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Friday, December 29th, 2006, 00:21 UTC

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Anduin:

Dr_willis: You can change the view, you want the list view

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Anduin:

Dr_willis: Hit 'm' in the view and switch, or change the default view in settings

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Dr_willis:

actually i wanted gallery view. heh.. :) i find it easier to manager then list... so i got that going.. Now.. some how i got a extra nested dir. :)

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Dr_willis:

but its going now.. NOW to figure out what key changes the audio tracks when playing these videos

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luke__:

I got mythstreamtv to work, but I had to edit the mythstreamtv.sh script to change "MP3" to "mp3"

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luke__:

unfortunatly, its so big that the stream is constantly buffering

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juski:

so stream with a lower quality, then :)

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luke__:

do I have to transcode it, or can I stream with low quality on the fly?

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juski:

mythstreamtv is all about transcoding on the fly

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luke__:

I'm not having good luck

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russK:

I need some help here ... I updated mysql to 5.0 and now my backend seems broke ...

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juski:

you set the video size & bitrate in the menu on the page

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juski:

russK: why did you go & do that?

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russK:

it happened when I emerged mytharchive (using gentoo here)

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luke__:

I'm setting them both as low as possible.. I don't get bitrate as an option. Just audio/video speed

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juski:

tried restarting the backend, russK ?

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russK:

yes did a reboot ... do I need to mess with mysqlmanager? it just showed up.

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juski:

maybe try to restore a recent database backup

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juski:

or re-emerge mythtv

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russK:

ha ha ... backup ... that's funny :-)

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juski:

if mythtv was built against an older version of mysql client libs...

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juski:

wasn't trying to be funny

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russK:

yes i think i'll try re-emerging mythtv

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juski:

ALWAYS, A L W A Y S back up your database

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russK:

i know but i chuckled here when you said it

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russK:

i see now that mythbackend does not stay up so i will re-emerge it

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juski:

bear witness to the necessity of reading the output of emerge -pv

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a1fa:

helo goodpeop.le

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a1fa:

juski my brother from another mother

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a1fa:

Does svn: 12348 fix the guide -set-to-record bug?

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zimm2:

right, potential can o worms here .. has anyone here heard of/know of/seen it done /know anything about getting the tv card in toshiba qosmio notebooks to work under linux ? from what ive found its based(?) on a CX23416 chip, which works in other cards ..

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zimm2:

anyone ?

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** a1fa is compiling 12348 **

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a1fa:

i wonder if xbmcmythtv works with SVN???

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GreyFoxx:

zimm2: #ivtv-dev would be best to ask about that

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GreyFoxx:

or the ivtv mailing list

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zimm2:

i get ignored on ivtv-dev,or at least i did last time i started looking into this .. and there's not much on the mailing list ..

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zimm2:

ho hum

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GreyFoxx:

there's quite a bit of activity on the list, you'd get a response at least

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juski:

zimm2: more likely to get help in a v4l channel, since cx23416 mpeg encoder support is beginning to appear in linux kernels now ;)

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juski:

a1fa: no idea

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a1fa:

didnt they merge ivtv with kernel?

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juski:

not yet

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a1fa:

it'd be nice

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GreyFoxx:

Supposedly it's not far away

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** juski laughs at AVG again **

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juski:

no trojans or nasties eh?

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juski:

so why the hell is my router reporting outgoing smtp connections hmm?

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a1fa:

ivtv0 warning: No memory on buffer alloc!

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a1fa:

ivtv0 warning: Needed 16384 bufs for encoder MPEG stream, received 0 (buffers free 0, dma 0, full 339)

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a1fa:

hehehe

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a1fa:

wtf?

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zimm2:

in the year ive had the laptop, all ive found on getting it to work is lots of threads that just peter out .. when the annoying thing is that the "qosmio player" utility is just a linux kernel and half a dozen modules hiding in a host protected partition.. so i know for a fact that the hardware will work in a linux environment ..

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zimm2:

lol

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juski:

zimm2: yeah but... the key thing is whether or not those drivers use the v4l2 api or not ;)

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zimm2:

its just doing my head in now, i hate having to rely on windows just to watch TV, i cant possibly be the only person on the planet who's tried to get this working .. surely ?

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Inssomniak:

is there a way to select all recordings in a group and delete?

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zimm2:

cheers anyway guys ..

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Inssomniak:

no one?

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rexer:

anybody have ideas: i run mythfilldatabase and get... trying to wake MasterBackEnd ...

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rexer:

as root...

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juski:

Inssomniak: guess you've never tried pressing M when a group is selected then

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Inssomniak:

Im in the menu "select a recording to permanently erase", and its bogging down huge

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juski:

use the 'watch recordings' menu

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Inssomniak:

takes like one minute to delete a 0.00 gb file

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juski:

highlight a group, press menu, then add the group to a playlist

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juski:

press menu again & go to playlist options, then select delete

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Inssomniak:

RingBuf(/LiveTV/4021_20061228203820.mpg): Invalid file (fd -1) when opening '/LiveTV/4021_20061228203820.mp

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Inssomniak:

get a lot of these errors too

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CrocoJet:

I have this video board "00:0d.0 Multimedia video controller: Conexant CX23880/1/2/3 PCI Video and Audio Decoder (rev 05)", is compatible with mythTV ?

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cheatersrealm:

hello, when I try to set up my lirc-based remote, I have a problem. the 'mode2' app responds when I press buttons, but 'irw' does not respond, does that mean that the lircd config file is messed up? lirc 0.8.1(cvs)

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juski:

CrocoJet: is it compatible with linux? are there v4l compliant drivers for it?

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CrocoJet:

juski, no idea ... I have this video capture board installed here .. and I would like make work with mythTV

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cheatersrealm:

juski: finally got the hauppage pvr-500 working

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cheatersrealm:

:)

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CrocoJet:

I think if lspci show .. is linux compatible, right ?

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Inssomniak:

come to think of it I havent had one good recording yet

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Inssomniak:

all filesizes are 0

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cheatersrealm:

CrocoJet: not necessarily

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CrocoJet:

oh ok

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cheatersrealm:

just because linux knows what it is, does not mean linux knows how to talk to it

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Inssomniak:

CrocoJet, I do believe that card works fine

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Zider:

CrocoJet: lspci just shows what hardware is connected.. not if it's supported or not..

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CrocoJet:

cheatersrealm, exist one manner to check if will works ?

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Zider:

google for drivers.. :P

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CrocoJet:

it is powercolor real angel 330

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CrocoJet:

ok

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cheatersrealm:

CrocoJet: google something like 'hardware name linux'

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CrocoJet:

cheatersrealm, ok, thanks

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cheatersrealm:

aha

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CrocoJet:

can I use name of chipset board ?

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cheatersrealm:

according to some random guy on some random thread, my theory with the mode2/irw madness is correct

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marxes:

yeah that should work

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CrocoJet:

ok

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cheatersrealm:

CrocoJet: yea

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cheatersrealm:

man, mythtv + nfs is amazing :)

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rexer:

are there any bugs in mythtv-0.20_p12172 ?

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rexer:

running kernel 2.6.17.13 Gentoo Hardened 3.4.6-r1

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cheatersrealm:

rexer: I'm betting yes, but no certainty on wether they're known or not

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marxes:

rexer, that is an open ended question

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Zider:

rexer: all software has bugs

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Zider:

:P

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cheatersrealm:

my OS teacher estimated that unless you code approximately 10 lines per day, you're coding bugs

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rexer:

ok.. about 2006-12–28 19:54:02.895 Trying to wake up the MasterBackend now.

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rexer:

No setting found for this machine's BackendServerIP.

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briand:

even if you only code 10 lines per day, you are probably still coding bugs.

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cheatersrealm:

:)

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rexer:

tail /var/log/mythbackend.log

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marxes:

rexer are you using seperate machiens for front and back ends?

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cheatersrealm:

he said it would take intense thought about each of those 10 ilnes

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rexer:

marxes: no same machine...

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marxes:

do you have mythbackend running?

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briand:

well, if you were "working" as a programmer with that output, there'd be plenty of time for intense thought while you wait in the unemployment line... ;)

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rexer:

marxes: * WARNING: mythbackend has already been started.

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cheatersrealm:

:)

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cheatersrealm:

aight, I'm out

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rexer:

<briand:#mythtv> i haven't seen a commit with all the bugs in it make it into current SVN.

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marxes:

rexer, what distro are you running?

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rexer:

marxes: kernel 2.6.17.13 Gentoo Hardened 3.4.6-r1

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marxes:

have you run mythtvsetup?

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marxes:

wihtout the back end running ?

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marxes:

s/wihtout/without

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rexer:

marxes: ran with backendruning..

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marxes:

you shouldn't have the backend running when you run mythtvsetup

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marxes:

wait..

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rexer:

uhh..

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rexer:

2006-12–28 19:54:02.895 Trying to wake up the MasterBackend now.

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rexer:

should backend be running before it can waked it up?

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CrocoJet:

well I am lost ...

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CrocoJet:

reading /var/log/dmesg

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CrocoJet:

cx2388x v4l2 driver version 0.0.6 loaded

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CrocoJet:

but ..

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CrocoJet:

CORE cx88[0]: subsystem: 14f1:ea3d, board: UNKNOWN/GENERIC [card=0,autodetected]

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CrocoJet:

cx88[0]: card=0 -> UNKNOWN/GENERIC

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CrocoJet:

and now ?

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CrocoJet:

is driver loaded ?

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CrocoJet:

cx88[0]/0: registered device video0 [v4l2]

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CrocoJet:

cx88[0]/0: registered device vbi0

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marxes:

rexer, you are running mythtvsetup with the backend started?

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marxes:

and it is giving you that message about waking up?

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CrocoJet:

i need some guidelines ..

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CrocoJet:

How I will know if my video tv/board will works with mythTV ?

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CrocoJet:

I think that driver is loaded

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juski:

does it work with tvtime or any other linux tv app?

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Inssomniak:

02006-12–28 21:36:13.017 Error deleting '/LiveTV/4231_20061228213402.mpg.png': No such file or directory

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Inssomniak:

2006-12–28 21:36:17.030 Error deleting '/LiveTV/4231_20061228213405.mpg.png': No such file or directory

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Inssomniak:

what are these errors about?

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Inssomniak:

constantly showing up

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rexer:

marxes: should backend be running duing setup or not?

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Inssomniak:

Id be happy just to know it was normal

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juski:

rexer: no

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Inssomniak:

but if its a problem Id like to fix it

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marxes:

rexer, no

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juski:

Inssomniak: no it's not normal. something is wrong

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juski:

like maybe your tuner card isn't working, or the video storage dir isn't writable

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Inssomniak:

I get video fine on all tuner cards

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rexer:

then i must not have it in the default runtime..?

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CrocoJet:

juski, let me see

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marxes:

rexer, default runtime?

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a1fa:

FTW!

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rexer:

marxes: init 5....

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rexer:

marxes: after reboot...

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rexer:

so should mythtv-setup be ran as user or root?

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marxes:

I run mine as mythtv user

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rexer:

and backend should not be started at time of mythsetup.

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marxes:

correct

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CrocoJet:

juski, only getting black screen window

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CrocoJet:

with tvtime

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rexer:

rc-update del mythbackend default

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** a1fa install MythZoneMinder **

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a1fa:

what a great idea

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a1fa:

who came up with that

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CrocoJet:

what is composite1 .. composite2 .. etc .. where I can scan channels .. ?

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marxes:

rexer, you would get an error from mythtvsetup if mythbackend were running

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CrocoJet:

sounds that I bought one titanic board .. lol

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rexer:

inited mythbackend stop

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DVBMark:

I know myth can cut commercials or mark them as per say, but it doesn't work the best in the US at least for me, but what I would be curious to know is if Myth has a way to manually cut commercials or the beginning/end of stuff so that you can go right into the playback, or if you were going to use mytharchive I assume or something.?

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briand:

DVBMark: yes, it does.

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** SeaWeed ok i have got mythtv / plugins / themes to install fine but now im have a myqsl issue can some 1 help with this error --> http://pastebin.com/846874 **

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DVBMark:

nice to hear briand, is it done via mytharchive or somewhere else?

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juski:

press E while watching a recording

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juski:

jees this is all rtfm stuff

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briand:

the editing is done via the editing section, the transcoding is done by the transcoding section, and the archiving and/or creation of standard playable DVDs is done via mytharchive.

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briand:

indeed.

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** briand smiles @ juski. **

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DVBMark:

lmao juski just a simple question

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DVBMark:

thanks for the answer

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** a1fa digs this zoneminder plugin **

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a1fa:

although, i need to complain about mythphone

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** sandeen thought juski was the FM **

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juski:

fucking masochist, sitting in on this channel

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briand:

SeaWeed: looks like you don't have mysql running.

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juski:

;)

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briand:

juski: it's just a faster-paced version of the forum...

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briand:

usually.

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juski:

I don't answer many questions there anymore. too many dumb ones

[02:53:38]

briand:

"I just installed Myth, and it's great!! Everything is working perfectly, and it's exactly what I wanted/expected. I'm only having two problems — I cannot record shows or watch LiveTV."

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juski:

that's about it

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briand:

i see that one there, at least twice a week.

[02:54:24]

juski:

I usually try & chip in where folks have at least put their back into it a little

[02:54:32]

briand:

exactly.

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juski:

a "help! it no worky" gets nothing but Zzz from me :)

[02:54:58]

CrocoJet:

Hey juski if want help me here ...

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juski:

CrocoJet: you're your own worst enemy for buying a framegrabber card

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** SeaWeed (briand) Ok Thanks i manuly Started myqsl now i get this --> http://pastebin.com/846884 **

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CrocoJet:

lol

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briand:

juski: i got an email the other day-- "My neighbor's friend upgraded that recorder box you built for me last year, with the latest copy of WindowsXP Media Center, but now nothing is working on it."

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CrocoJet:

I know !!!

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Inssomniak:

invalid file descriptor errors galore too... just dont get it

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juski:

tuner autodetection has NEVER worked for me with framegrabbers

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juski:

Inssomniak: so stop mythbackend & test the hardware with tvtime or something

[02:56:34]

Inssomniak:

my hardware is working great

[02:56:37]

juski:

think 'outside the box'

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Inssomniak:

all the video cards function as they should

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SeaWeed:

(Inssomniak) hello dude how goes

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juski:

video card S ?

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juski:

you have more than one?

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Inssomniak:

3 of them

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Inssomniak:

and all work great in livetv

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juski:

rebooted recently & they've swapped around?

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Inssomniak:

just all these file errors on the backend

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juski:

the file errors are probably due to failed livetv recordings

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juski:

touch the files into existence & let mythbackend delete em

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juski:

they might even be from a time when mythtv didn't work for you

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lupin_sansei:

Hello, any Australian's online? I have a question about EPG over DVB

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juski:

but myth is trying to clean up files it thinks should exist

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Inssomniak:

ok

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juski:

lupin_sansei: in Oz it's as much use as a chocolate fireguard

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juski:

so I've heard people say here, anyway

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juski:

i.e. it no worky worky

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juski:

or at best, it's complete & utter rubbish

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briand:

which is really unfair to chocolate fireguards everywhere.

[03:00:30]

** juski chuckles **

[03:00:31]

lupin_sansei:

My issue is that my state has introduced daylight saving, but I don't think the EPG guide has changed so it's all 1 hour wrong

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juski:

do you use NTP? I use that & never have any weird TZ snafus

[03:01:02]

lupin_sansei:

Can anyone think of a workaround?

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briand:

install/configure/use ntpd

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lupin_sansei:

The thing is, if I set my local clock to be "in sync" with the incorrect guide data then all my manual schedules are then 1 hour wrong

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juski:

you can manually specify an offset for the guide data

[03:03:10]

lupin_sansei:

really?

[03:03:15]

lupin_sansei:

How do I do that?

[03:03:21]

juski:

how could you miss that menu?

[03:03:35]

SeaWeed:

any 1 Have any idea on this Error not shure what im missing --> http://pastebin.com/846889

[03:03:38]

lupin_sansei:

it's in the menu is it? Cool I will have a look thanks

[03:04:06]

a1fa:

that .asx straming is not working yet

[03:04:11]

a1fa:

is it?

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juski:

arghh I wish you guys would use pastebin.ca

[03:04:35]

GreyFoxx:

a1fa: What asx streaming?

[03:04:43]

a1fa:

oh its working

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a1fa:

ASX stream in new mythweb

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juski:

wha?!

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Inssomniak:

looking at this log entry "2006-12–28 22:00:13.383 Error deleting '/LiveTV/4231_20061228215737.mpg.png': No such file or directory" its trying to delete a file that was apparently created only 3 minutes before, when mythtv was working

[03:05:31]

DVBMark:

think he is talking bout being able to stream your recordings etc from mythweb

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DVBMark:

it defaults to .asx file

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a1fa:

too bad it wont let you stream at smaller resolution

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DVBMark:

I haven't got mine to work either but think I remember seeing something about having to do something to apache for it, just haven't gotten around to it

[03:06:13]

a1fa:

so you can stream over internet

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a1fa:

DVBMark : works for me

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a1fa:

Its just not going to work over the internet at 256kb upload

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lupin_sansei:

juski: Sorry which menu is the epg offset control in? Front end or back end?

[03:06:41]

DVBMark:

think there is a plugin called mythstream or something for transcoding, haven't gotten into that either lol

[03:06:52]

DVBMark:

really alfa, did you do anything special? maybe it is a codec thing heh

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GreyFoxx:

Since when hs mythweb natively supported streaming as an asx file ?

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DVBMark:

heh dunno but it does now lol

[03:07:24]

a1fa:

GreyFoxx : the new svn version does

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a1fa:

yeah

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a1fa:

DVBMark : i followed INSTALL file and set the premissions right

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DVBMark:

so alfa anything special to make it work or was it straight out of the box

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GreyFoxx:

must in something from the last couple days

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a1fa:

right out of the box

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DVBMark:

k will look again at the install

[03:07:55]

DVBMark:

thanks

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GreyFoxx:

cause I haven't updated mythweb in 5 days

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DVBMark:

slacker

[03:08:15]

DVBMark:

cuz you are making the 360 do video instead

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DVBMark:

LMAO

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GreyFoxx:

I don't update it as much as the regular code

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DVBMark:

ya I am on a few days old release myself

[03:08:34]

GreyFoxx:

I got it playing music a little while ago

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DVBMark:

nice

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a1fa:

well since this is streaming

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DVBMark:

where't the info heh

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a1fa:

i am sure it can stream at half quality

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a1fa:

INSTALL

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DVBMark:

it would require transcoding I am sure alfa and dunno that mythweb has that built in

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juski:

lupin_sansei: in mythtv-setup. stop mythbackend & run mythtv-setup

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a1fa:

i dont think it would need transcoding

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juski:

course it would

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a1fa:

damn it

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a1fa:

could it be done in rt

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GreyFoxx:

certainly

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GreyFoxx:

vlc and other apps do it in pretty much realtime

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juski:

mythstreamtv already does it

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GreyFoxx:

mythstreamtv calls vlc :)

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juski:

depends what the source & destination formats are & your cpu speed ;)

[03:14:29]

DVBMark:

ya it def would, mythweb is just passing on the file itself, but transcoding as mentioned through vlc can do a great job

[03:14:41]

a1fa:

how old is that

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DVBMark:

will have to check out mythstreamtv when I get around to it, knew it was still out there

[03:14:52]

a1fa:

yeah i see it

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a1fa:

i am sure it wont run with this mythweb w/o source hawking

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DVBMark:

would be nice if they would combine forces so that it could work with mythweb

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Inssomniak:

welp I still get the no such file or directory errors deleting .png files, no idea whats causing that, or why they arent getting created in the first place, or what they are for

[03:15:59]

juski:

something 'better' is lined up for mythweb

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a1fa:

well mythweb has that feature now

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a1fa:

they just need to incorporate

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a1fa:

the quality setting

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juski:

Inssomniak: the png files are still image thumbnails of recorded video

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a1fa:

"High", "Medium", "Low", "Cable/DSL"

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Inssomniak:

that was my guess, but I cant figure out why they arent getting created

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lupin_sansei:

juski: I changed the offset to +0100 – would you expect it to adjust the data already got from EPG or only new data?

[03:17:30]

a1fa:

brb

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DVBMark:

nice to hear on mythweb, can't wait

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DVBMark:

want to stream to my phone heh

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juski:

lupin_sansei: no idea. try it

[03:18:42]

juski:

anyway, all this is keeping me from reading 'The Thunderbolt Kid'

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juski:

so g'night all

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lupin_sansei:

goodnight

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lupin_sansei:

thanks for the pointers

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a1fa:

2006-12–28 21:19:16.669 MythZoneMinder: Can't open ZM config file – /etc/zm.conf

[03:20:09]

a1fa:

-rw------- 1 www-data www-data 1357 2006-12–28 20:52 /etc/zm.conf

[03:21:01]

a1fa:

FTW?!! WTF!

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a1fa:

i am blind like a bat

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a1fa:

fux

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a1fa:

i dont get it

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a1fa:

still not working

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GreyFoxx:

One might considering changing the file permissions so the myth user can read the file :)

[03:25:44]

a1fa:

i did that

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a1fa:

-rw-r----- 1 www-data www-data 1357 2006-12–28 20:52 /etc/zm.conf

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GreyFoxx:

ummmm

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a1fa:

www-data:mythtv

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GreyFoxx:

and is the myth user a member of the www-data group ?

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a1fa:

yup

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GreyFoxx:

try logging out of your current shell and reopenning

[03:26:53]

a1fa:

www-data:x:33:mythtv

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a1fa:

k

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a1fa:

reboot

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GreyFoxx:

That shouldn't require a reboot

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a1fa:

it needed a reboot

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a1fa:

it work

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a1fa:

it worked

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Zider:

is there any hdtv-"test clips" available somewhere that you can download to try out how well it looks and how much it might lag? :P

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** SeaWeed Any 1 Seen this type error before ( Mutex destroy failure ) --> http://pastebin.com/846889 **

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Inssomniak:

is there a myth utility to clean up the database?

[03:45:13]

tcpsyn:

I finally found out my mythstreamtv issue.

[03:45:28]

tcpsyn:

the mythstreamtv.sh script was passing "MP3" to vlc instead of "mp3"

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tcpsyn:

I spent 3 fuggin weeks on that.

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CyberKnet:

Inssomniak: "clean up"?

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a1fa:

can you not add movies to your queue through

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a1fa:

mythflix?

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a1fa:

its not working for me

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DarkDrgn2k:

When tuning DVB the freqnecy is in hertz so its liek 12222000 not 12222 right (as per lyngsat)(

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SeaWeed:

this is post from how-to i been reading on that

[04:34:26]

SeaWeed:

For the Frequency, I suggest entering: 12224000 and For Polarity, I select Right Circular for Bandstacked LNB's, I believe Horizontal would work for other types. Might have to experiment. And for the Symbol Rate I enter: 20000000 The rest are

[04:34:28]

SeaWeed:

defaults, just select Next. It should hopefully lock on and scan the transponders and a few channels.

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SeaWeed:

hope that helps

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DarkDrgn2k:

SeaWeed: cause right now iut just jumps to the SCANNING screen

[04:35:16]

DarkDrgn2k:

dont see signal at all

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SeaWeed:

That best info i can give you at moment my install has gone a straigh on me i dont even have my dvb in card list and not shure why

[04:36:03]

SeaWeed:

im new to myth

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DarkDrgn2k:

SeaWeed: do u have /dev/dvb

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DarkDrgn2k:

and anythign in there

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SeaWeed:

Where you mean in card Type

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SeaWeed:

?

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DarkDrgn2k:

in /dev/dvb

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DarkDrgn2k:

in that folder

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DarkDrgn2k:

lol

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SeaWeed:

oh

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DarkDrgn2k:

wierd says that is out of limits...

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SeaWeed:

i have a /dev/dvb

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DarkDrgn2k:

min/max 950000/2150000

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SeaWeed:

ls /dev/dvb/

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SeaWeed:

adapter0

[04:38:04]

DarkDrgn2k:

SeaWeed: and /dev/dvb/adapter0

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DarkDrgn2k:

and in adapter0 at least 3 other things

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SeaWeed:

it is a DST-1000

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DarkDrgn2k:

and who owns adapter0 and the things in it

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DarkDrgn2k:

ie can MYTH actualy access it..

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SeaWeed:

ls /dev/dvb/adapter0

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SeaWeed:

demux0 dvr0 frontend0 net0

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DarkDrgn2k:

good

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DarkDrgn2k:

ls -la /dev/dvb/adapter0

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SeaWeed:

ls -la /dev/dvb/adapter0

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SeaWeed:

total 0

[04:39:13]

SeaWeed:

drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 120 2006-12–28 23:07 .

[04:39:13]

SeaWeed:

drwxr-xr-x 3 root root 60 2006-12–28 23:07 ..

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SeaWeed:

crw-rw---- 1 root video 212, 4 2006-12–28 23:07 demux0

[04:39:13]

SeaWeed:

crw-rw---- 1 root video 212, 5 2006-12–28 23:07 dvr0

[04:39:15]

SeaWeed:

crw-rw---- 1 root video 212, 3 2006-12–28 23:07 frontend0

[04:39:17]

SeaWeed:

crw-rw---- 1 root video 212, 7 2006-12–28 23:07 net0

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SeaWeed:

root

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DarkDrgn2k:

what is myth backend running as?

[04:39:28]

DarkDrgn2k:

root?

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DarkDrgn2k:

video

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DarkDrgn2k:

ps aux | grep mythbackend

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SeaWeed:

no let me restart it as root

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SeaWeed:

ps aux | grep mythbackend

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DarkDrgn2k:

it might not be able to read the card.. if perms are wrong

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SeaWeed:

vdr 9586 0.0 0.0 4824 720 pts/2 S+ 23:39 0:00 grep mythbackend

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DarkDrgn2k:

SeaWeed: did you ever use szap and dvbtune?

[04:40:56]

SeaWeed:

i have used dvbtune long time ago

[04:41:05]

SeaWeed:

been useing nscan lately

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DarkDrgn2k:

SeaWeed: what bird did you lock on to? if i may ask

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DarkDrgn2k:

SeaWeed: cause dvbscan jusjt doesnt seem to work for me..

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SeaWeed:

( 119 – 110 – 91 – 82 )

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DarkDrgn2k:

SeaWeed: arg.. any idea why i cant get a lock..

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DarkDrgn2k:

SeaWeed: :( i been trying for weeks to get tuned to those buggers

[04:42:39]

SeaWeed:

Well they have been screwed up for so time now even nscan dont scan rite all time

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DarkDrgn2k:

who has been

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SeaWeed:

but every so offent nscan will pull a good scan

[04:43:09]

DarkDrgn2k:

well nscan got me a chan list

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DarkDrgn2k:

but it timeed out on MOST Of the transponders

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DarkDrgn2k:

SeaWeed: can i pm u?

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SeaWeed:

ok i fired myth back up as root and still dont see my card type

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SeaWeed:

yes

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IamEthos:

okay, so in the Recording Profiles->MPEG-2 Encoders->LiveTV->Image Size menu, vertical max is 480, but horizontal is 740...

[04:48:13]

IamEthos:

should I set the horizontal to higher than vertical?

[04:48:18]

IamEthos:

I do have a wide screen monitor

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IamEthos:

and what exactly does this control?

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GreyFoxx:

720x480 is NTSC dvd resolution

[04:49:08]

GreyFoxx:

Odd that you would get 740 in there

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IamEthos:

GreyFoxx, it was 720

[04:49:25]

IamEthos:

sorry

[04:49:26]

IamEthos:

my mistake

[04:49:32]

IamEthos:

so I should set it to 720 then?

[04:50:11]

GreyFoxx:

EVeryone picks what they consider best

[04:50:18]

GreyFoxx:

in my case, I use 720x480

[04:50:31]

GreyFoxx:

I also run X at 720x480

[04:51:07]

IamEthos:

what are the recording profiles?

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IamEthos:

is LiveTV what is used when watching something live?

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GreyFoxx:

Bingo

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IamEthos:

and is Mpeg-2 PS vs. MPEG-2 TS

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IamEthos:

which one wins?

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GreyFoxx:

What kind of card?

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IamEthos:

WinTV PVR USB2

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GreyFoxx:

PS

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IamEthos:

why not TS?

[04:52:50]

IamEthos:

I'll look it up

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GreyFoxx:

Because you are not recording a transport stream that's why

[04:53:06]

kharan5876:

do any of you use a logitech harmony remote with mythtv? if so what kind of receiver do you use for the remote control signals with lirc? the one I have seems to have a lot of issues with timing

[04:54:25]

IamEthos:

GreyFoxx, now the other problem I've been having is that I have a widescreen monitor

[04:54:38]

IamEthos:

but Myth seems to treat it like a full screen monitor

[04:54:58]

GreyFoxx:

You can set your default Aspect ratio in the settings menus

[04:55:09]

GreyFoxx:

the default is 4:3 but you can pick something different

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IamEthos:

GreyFoxx, so by setting it to 16:9, will that give me letterboxes on the left and right for full screen broadcasts?

[04:56:20]

IamEthos:

or will it horizontally stretch full screen?

[04:56:45]

GreyFoxx:

at a guess, I'd say it will horizontally stretch, but try it and find out :)

[04:57:05]

marxes:

don't mind the smoke that comes out of the tv

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IamEthos:

does anyone have a recommendation for capture cards? the card and machine I'm running now is only temporary until I can build my own

[04:59:03]

GreyFoxx:

Recording analog cable ?

[04:59:14]

IamEthos:

I would like something that does analog and digital so that I don't have to rush to upgrade

[04:59:36]

GreyFoxx:

Anything that does both generally sucks for the analog side

[04:59:42]

IamEthos:

GreyFoxx, really?

[04:59:43]

IamEthos:

hmm

[04:59:45]

Ross_C:

IamEthos: are you prepared for the size of digital recordings? 12gb/hr?

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GreyFoxx:

and the digital side is'nt guaranteeds to work

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IamEthos:

GreyFoxx, well then just analog for now

[05:00:07]

GreyFoxx:

Pvr 150/500 is your best bet

[05:00:23]

GreyFoxx:

best supported, most used, and onboard hardwre compression so 0% cpu to record

[05:00:24]

IamEthos:

I suppose I'll wait for digital then

[05:00:48]

IamEthos:

GreyFoxx, doesn't my current card have hardware compression?

[05:00:50]

IamEthos:

the USB2?

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GreyFoxx:

With digital there is no guarantee that anything is broadcast in the clear so you likely wont be able to record much

[05:01:15]

GreyFoxx:

IamEthos: Yes it does I believe

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IamEthos:

PVR 150/500 also have hardware decompression, don't they?

[05:01:58]

GreyFoxx:

nope

[05:02:01]

GreyFoxx:

only the 350 does

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marxes:

350 has decompression

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IamEthos:

ah

[05:03:06]

IamEthos:

so what is wrong with the 350?

[05:03:13]

marxes:

I wanna try and get the firewire connectoin to my motorola set top box

[05:03:18]

marxes:

working

[05:03:20]

DarkDrgn2k:

is ther a way to test to see if VIDEO0 has video on it?

[05:03:24]

DarkDrgn2k:

vie v4l

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DarkDrgn2k:

via

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sandeen:

"Some liquid crystal display televisions however, especially with 1366 x 768 pixels, fail to provide their native resolution and only provide a set of lower resolutions, resulting in a less than picture perfect output."

[05:03:56]

sandeen:

"sigh"

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IamEthos:

GreyFoxx, what did you mean by "anything is broadcast in the clear"

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sandeen:

why is life so hard :)

[05:04:10]

GreyFoxx:

IamEthos: You get better value with an nvidia card and a150 than you do with a 350

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GreyFoxx:

plus the mpeg decoding is no longe ractively supported under myth

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IamEthos:

GreyFoxx, gotcha

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GreyFoxx:

IamEthos: Digital cable is generally encrypted so you wont be able to just capture and watch it. "broadcast in the clear" means unencrypted

[05:05:07]

GreyFoxx:

not much is left free these days :)

[05:05:38]

DarkDrgn2k:

GreyFoxx: tehresa always DVB-T + luck

[05:06:52]

Ross_C:

even if htdv were unencrypted, I wouldn't trade my ability to store/archive 500+ NTSC shows on a 500gb hard drive for more resolulution

[05:06:55]

xris:

IamEthos: some people (like me) have good luck with firewire connections to cable boxes.

[05:07:24]

marxes:

xris, you use that as your primary means of capturing ?

[05:07:24]

sandeen:

Ross_C, have you spent any time -watching- hdtv? :)

[05:07:26]

xris:

DarkDrgn2k: no dvb-t in the US.. but yeah, you can get HD over the air.

[05:07:35]

xris:

marxes: my only means, yes.

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marxes:

xris, that is my goal as well

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IamEthos:

wait, so I wouldn't be able to record HD OTA broadcasts with a digital capture card?

[05:09:04]

Agrajag-:

you can if you're in australia

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DarkDrgn2k:

IamEthos: only if its unencrypoted

[05:09:09]

IamEthos:

I'm in the US

[05:09:13]

marxes:

xris, which firewire card did you decide to go with?

[05:09:20]

DarkDrgn2k:

IamEthos: id get an ATCM card instead

[05:09:22]

GreyFoxx:

IamEthos: You can with an ATSC card

[05:09:23]

DarkDrgn2k:

or hwater its calle

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GreyFoxx:

IamEthos: If you get card that also supports QAM then you can potentially record unencrypted digital cable channels as well

[05:10:23]

xris:

marxes: onboard, and some random one I had laying around.

[05:10:43]

xris:

DarkDrgn2k: OTA *is* unencrypted.

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IamEthos:

GreyFoxx, which pretty much don't exist, correct?

[05:11:20]

GreyFoxx:

IamEthos: There are several

[05:11:32]

xris:

IamEthos: many cable companies pass at least the broadcast channels through unencrypted

[05:11:33]

GreyFoxx:

but you can to check as not all support bnoth

[05:12:31]

marxes:

xris, cool, can't wait to get mine working

[05:12:42]

DarkDrgn2k:

they do in T.O.

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IamEthos:

I see.

[05:12:59]

IamEthos:

IP is such a pain in the ass

[05:13:06]

xris:

marxes: good luck.. hopefully you live somewhere that passes the SD stuff along, too.

[05:13:07]

DarkDrgn2k:

CN Topwer is a great antena

[05:16:17]

** marxes goes to look up SD **

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xris:

marxes: "standard def"

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marxes:

xris, as opposed to HD?

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xris:

yes

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IamEthos:

what sort of video card would go nicely in a myth box?

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IamEthos:

I've heard nvidia, but it's a little known fact that nvidia makes a shit-ton of cards

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xris:

nvidia doesn't make any video cards

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xris:

msi, asus, gigabyte are generally good brands.

[05:27:42]

Ross_C:

well, the latest nvidia drivers best support geforce5XXX+ cards, so anything geforce 5XXX or better without a fan would be a good choice

[05:28:24]

marxes:

xris, sorry for the ignorance but there are some locations where the set top box won't feed you SD stations?

[05:29:10]

marxes:

I'll read up on it

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xris:

marxes: yes

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marxes:

I would have thought that since you are getting feed from box you would have access to all stations viewable

[05:29:57]

marxes:

by that box

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xris:

IamEthos: only the older cards like 5200 currently support both xvmc (accelerated decoding) and color OSD overlays... supposed to be coming soon for newer cards, though.

[05:30:08]

marxes:

anyway, thanks for the advice, and happy new year

[05:30:10]

xris:

marxes: only required by law to give you the stuff you could get in the clear over the air.

[05:30:21]

marxes:

ahh I see

[05:30:31]

xris:

marxes: it's worth the $5/month upgrade to an HD box to test for a month, though.

[05:30:44]

marxes:

I have the comcast piece of shit dvr

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marxes:

i'm going to return it and go back to the normal hd box

[05:31:59]

marxes:

myth is so much better

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xris:

marxes: if you have th dvr, you *should* be able to test firewire.

[05:32:32]

xris:

just need a firewire card in your mythbox

[05:32:46]

marxes:

yeah, I am buying one of those as we speak =)

[05:32:55]

IamEthos:

xris, a friend has told me to make sure it supports HDCP?

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marxes:

I just want the DVR out of my house, it offends me

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IamEthos:

xris, do the geforce 5000 series cards support HDCP?

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xris:

IamEthos: hdcp is encrypted hdmi.. some hdtvs in the future will theoretically require it to play hd content.

[05:36:17]

xris:

only a handful of cards support it at the moment.

[05:36:28]

xris:

doesn't matter unless your tv requires it.

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IamEthos:

xris, this friend says I will need it if HDDVD or Blueray every catch on enough for me to care

[05:38:59]

xris:

not for linux

[05:39:02]

xris:

maybe for windows

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xris:

no one knows what hdcp will do for linux... technically/legally, it should never work.

[05:40:09]

Paladine:

hope not

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Paladine:

cos I just got a hdcp 32" HD LCD arriving tomorrow which is gonnabe used with edubuntu

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xris:

Paladine: you'll have to let us know how it works.

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Paladine:

I never noticed it was hdcp compliant until after I bought it

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Paladine:

I presume it will be fine on vga input

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Paladine:

I expect the hdcp only workson the hdmi

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xris:

yeah, hdcp is only for digital

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Paladine:

and since the hdmi apparantly doesn't give 1:1 pixel match

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Paladine:

I will be using the d-sub vga input

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IamEthos:

so would http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/Searc . . . p;CatId=1560

[05:43:42]

IamEthos:

work for me?

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xris:

odd... vga is analog, which means you'll get small amounts of distortion

[05:44:17]

xris:

IamEthos: seems a little overkill, but it'll work as long as your motherboard has pci-e

[05:44:25]

Paladine:

xris, the vga output support 1360x768 which is the tv's natural resolution

[05:44:28]

xris:

(personally, I don't care for tigerdirect, either, but that's up to you)

[05:44:34]

Paladine:

th hdmi only support 1280x768 apparantly

[05:44:40]

xris:

Paladine: ahh

[05:44:53]

Paladine:

I will find out soon enough :)

[05:44:55]

xris:

Paladine: that makes some sense.

[05:45:01]

IamEthos:

xris, the information they provide on products seems pretty helpful and straightforward to me

[05:45:21]

IamEthos:

I'm going to do some intensive bargain hunting once I know what parts i'm buying

[05:45:29]

xris:

IamEthos: I just don't like their shipping/return policies. newegg is much better.

[05:45:35]

xris:

anyway, I don't recognize that brand, either.

[05:45:44]

Paladine:

I never saw a 6500 before

[05:45:47]

Paladine:

6600 yeah

[05:45:49]

Paladine:

but not a 6500

[05:45:52]

Paladine:

but I could be wrong

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sigger_:

anyone know a tool for changing the volume level of an avi?

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Paladine:

the volume nob on your speakers?

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sigger_:

haha. don't wanna have to be adjusting the volume or remembering which one has the blaringly loud volume to be cautious of

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IamEthos:

so how much memory should my video card have?

[05:55:36]

** xris wonders who would get upset if he started using programid keys to keep track of episode info for tv shows.... **

[05:55:50]

xris:

could make a better service than zap2it for reruns

[05:56:11]

xris:

IamEthos: for mythtv? anything you get these days will be more than enough

[05:57:01]

IamEthos:

so 256 would be fine?

[05:57:20]

Paladine:

man thats surreal

[05:57:25]

Paladine:

I am absolutely caned

[05:57:34]

Paladine:

watching Bob Roos, The Joy of Painting on tv

[05:57:41]

Paladine:

and heis talking about his epileptic squirrel

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xris:

IamEthos: way overkill

[05:57:58]

Paladine:

why are these shows only ever on when you are stoned?

[05:58:34]

IamEthos:

what does it mean when it says 128 mb (64 on board)?

[05:58:40]

IamEthos:

is video card memory expandable?

[05:59:16]

xris:

not really

[05:59:31]

xris:

some video cards share system memory, though.

[05:59:38]

xris:

no clue what that means, though

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IamEthos:

xris, you've converted me

[06:03:47]

IamEthos:

newegg rocks

[06:03:58]

IamEthos:

how does this card look

[06:03:59]

IamEthos:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814125208

[06:04:01]

xris:

wow, I thought everyone knew about newegg these days.

[06:04:14]

IamEthos:

I knew about it, just never really visited much

[06:04:31]

xris:

looks like a decent cards

[06:04:32]

xris:

card

[06:05:23]

xris:

it's still overkill if you're just doing mythtv with it, though

[06:05:37]

IamEthos:

xris, well, I'm a bit of a worry-wart

[06:05:47]

xris:

it's your money. :)

[06:05:51]

IamEthos:

I like having lots of headroom on things, especially since my current system lacks just that

[06:06:03]

IamEthos:

besides, the card I had planned on was 119.99

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IamEthos:

and a friend wanted me to get two of them!

[06:06:18]

IamEthos:

so I'm WAY ahead

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xris:

heh

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IamEthos:

xris, what's the main difference between a 150 and a 500?

[06:08:44]

IamEthos:

500's have 2 tuners?

[06:09:05]

Paladine:

yes

[06:09:11]

Paladine:

500 = 2x 150s

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xris:

and that's pretty much the only difference

[06:10:40]

IamEthos:

there are some complaints about the samsung chipset being used in them on newegg

[06:10:58]

xris:

IamEthos: same problem with the 150s

[06:11:13]

xris:

there are about a dozen versions of each card

[06:13:03]

IamEthos:

xris, one of the reviews suggests calling newegg to make sure you get the correct chipset

[06:13:07]

IamEthos:

can you really do that?

[06:13:15]

xris:

no clue

[06:13:38]

xris:

I think that the drivers work with all of the cards now, though. you'd have to check the ivtv wiki to be sure, though

[06:14:10]

IamEthos:

xris, even with the philips vs. samsung issue, this is the card I would want for my myht box, right?

[06:14:19]

xris:

for analog, yes

[06:14:30]

xris:

no better choice

[06:15:00]

Blaksmith:

you know if the haup -150 will pick up sat signals?

[06:15:23]

xris:

no

[06:15:27]

xris:

meaning it doesn't

[06:15:30]

xris:

only analog tv

[06:15:35]

Blaksmith:

:(

[06:15:56]

Blaksmith:

will it at least pull epg from the birds?

[06:16:02]

xris:

no

[06:16:07]

xris:

you need a satellite card for that

[06:17:12]

Blaksmith:

I can probably at least get epg through the web for the "service" I get...

[06:17:21]

Blaksmith:

still need a blaster then to change the channels :(

[06:17:28]

xris:

what service?

[06:17:36]

Blaksmith:

DN with my pansat 3500

[06:17:54]

xris:

2m dish?

[06:18:10]

xris:

oh, dishnetwork.

[06:18:15]

xris:

zap2it has that.

[06:18:18]

IamEthos:

I imagine if I give newegg my whole order, they might be willing to help out with the chipset issue..

[06:18:30]

Blaksmith:

1m vertical oval, quad lnb (high and low LNB), motor, switch

[06:18:37]

xris:

IamEthos: they likely can't do anything.. it's a fully automated warehouse.

[06:18:52]

Blaksmith:

err high and low KU bands

[06:19:10]

xris:

Blaksmith: nifty. you're SOL with dishnet, though... lots of encryption, even if you had a satellite card.

[06:19:45]

xris:

the remote protocols for their receivers are well documented, though — included in the lirc source, if I hear correctly.

[06:20:17]

Blaksmith:

*cough*

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Blaksmith:

xris, pm

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DVBMark:

Getting a Preview Error: Previewer file '/mythlive/blahblah.mpg' is not valid. Any ideas? or is that a normal error?

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IamEthos:

is there somewhere better to shop for cases than newegg?

[06:33:05]

IamEthos:

I'm looking for a media center case

[06:33:06]

xris:

directron, froogle

[06:33:12]

IamEthos:

and I'm not really seeing one I like

[06:33:18]

xris:

directron has a bunch.

[06:33:24]

xris:

look for silverstone — they have nice ones.

[06:34:04]

IamEthos:

I want at least 2 5.25" external bays, a few hard drive bays, a lot of expansion ports on the back

[06:34:16]

IamEthos:

USB, Firewire, Headphones on the front

[06:34:23]

IamEthos:

and something that will stay cool

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xris:

most media cases go the other way. smaller, fewer ports.

[06:35:48]

xris:

directron has a bunch of cases, though

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IamEthos:

nForce 3 or nForce 4 with Linux?

[06:36:59]

IamEthos:

or some other northbridge?

[06:37:18]

xris:

either

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xris:

newer is theoretically better

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IamEthos:

Asus v. Gigabyte for mobo

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IamEthos:

who wins?

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DVBMark:

Asus

[06:44:34]

IamEthos:

or is there someone else altogether?

[06:44:37]

IamEthos:

is asus the best?

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xris:

there is no "best".. but asus is good

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DVBMark:

Asus is a good m/b all around, but MachSpeed has lifetime warranties! :)

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xris:

nice

[06:49:06]

IamEthos:

it would be nice if Asus had a link on the mobo pages that showed a result set of supported processors

[06:49:15]

** ille drewls over the new Dragon 2.0, Silverstone LC17 and Core 2 Duo E6300 .... **

[06:49:24]

IamEthos:

I mean, not too hard to figure out

[06:49:29]

IamEthos:

but would be convenient

[06:49:58]

IamEthos:

also, a System Builder app would be pretty neat too

[06:50:30]

IamEthos:

so that you could put all of the pieces you intend to purchase in and it would determine compatability

[06:51:38]

IamEthos:

and provide complete system specs, compare multiple configurations

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xris:

ille: links to dragon/silverstone?

[06:51:41]

IamEthos:

that would be bad ass

[06:51:49]

xris:

IamEthos: dell.com ;)

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xris:

would be quite a database to get 3rd party stuff together like that

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ille:

xris: http://mythic.tv/

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IamEthos:

xris, newegg has got to be damn close

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IamEthos:

the sorting and browsing capabilities here are top notch

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xris:

ille: ahh

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IamEthos:

DVBMark, machspeed isn't sold on newegg, is it?

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IamEthos:

:-(

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xris:

seems *just* a little overkill to use the extreme proc...

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IamEthos:

is 64 bit worthwhile for a myth box?

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DVBMark:

IamEthos: not sure, I know tigerdirect has them

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xris:

IamEthos: hard not to get a 64 bit proc these days

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IamEthos:

sounds good

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DVBMark:

I run 64bit, and ya as xris said prices etc it is kinda the way to go

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IamEthos:

and MachSpeed != MSI, right?

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DVBMark:

whether u truly gain anything running in 64bit mode is another thing, maybe a few %'s

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DVBMark:

till more stuff gets written in 64bit

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DVBMark:

correct, MachSpeed is it's own vendor

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DVBMark:

I personally don't have a MS but know some friends that have had very good luck with them, and if they give a lifetime warranty, ya know they gotta have something going for em.

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IamEthos:

what is covered by that lifetime warranty would be my concern

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IamEthos:

but that does sound nice

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IamEthos:

though I bet they are a bit pricier too

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DVBMark:

http://www.machspeed.com/

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DVBMark:

no they have boards from around $50 on up

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IamEthos:

Athlon 64, Athlon 64 FX, Athlon 64 X2, or something else?

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DVBMark:

Athlon 64 should be plenty

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DVBMark:

unless you just have the dough to blow on an X2

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DVBMark:

don't get an FX waste of money

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DVBMark:

I run mine on a 3500 AthlonXP

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DVBMark:

64 that is

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DVBMark:

my game system is an Athlon X2 4800, plan on putting a frontend on it for the fun of it heh, it has a 30" Widescreen LCD heh

[07:02:04]

DVBMark:

so to stream from mythweb, now that it has that asx stuff to winblows, is there anything special I need to do? WMP complains bout codec or something, but I thought I was pretty covered

[07:03:40]

IamEthos:

San Diego v. Venice, who wins?

[07:07:30]

xris:

DVBMark: mpg or nuv files?

[07:07:38]

xris:

you still need dsmyth to do nuv

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DVBMark:

xris: how do I know heh sorry

[07:08:25]

xris:

DVBMark: look on disk, I guess

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DVBMark:

well pretty sure it is saving mpg files

[07:08:49]

DVBMark:

if that is what u mean, honestly don't know howto change it guess I haven't gotten to that in the manual heh

[07:09:06]

Blaksmith:

oh, any way to get myth to watch live tv over a network? every time I do that, it bitches with the write error

[07:10:29]

Blaksmith:

I.E.... linux box has smb share to win box (that has all the extra hd space), but when I watch live, it won't...

[07:10:38]

Blaksmith:

I can record and watch later, but not watch live

[07:10:53]

xris:

Blaksmith: odd. live and recorded are theoretically the same to myth.

[07:11:16]

xris:

DVBMark: try to download the file first and see if you can play it in windows.

[07:11:39]

xris:

also be aware that if you run mythweb in https, it may just not work with asx streaming.

[07:12:55]

Blaksmith:

tryin to run mythfrontend on the linux box

[07:13:05]

Blaksmith:

so it's actually doing max up and down via ethernet

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xris:

sounds like you need to rethink your network setup

[07:13:59]

Blaksmith:

the *nix box won't take sata drives... that's the problem heh

[07:14:13]

Blaksmith:

got 300g free on the win box, but only 6g free on the *nix box

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Blaksmith:

I get 8 – 9 MB/s xfer over my network, so it's not a "physical" issue

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xris:

weird

[07:15:50]

Blaksmith:

ya.

[07:15:52]

** Blaksmith shrugs **

[07:18:47]

** xris wants a new monitor **

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xris:

though maybe I should go dual 19" instead of single 22"

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Blaksmith:

hehe

[07:20:21]

Blaksmith:

I have a single 19 ldc

[07:20:22]

Blaksmith:

lcd

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Blaksmith:

but, my win/*nix box is through a kvm, so a dual won't do me much good

[07:21:03]

xris:

yeah, I have a single 19" now

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xris:

dual 19s at work are nice, though

[07:21:20]

xris:

I think I'd be happier with a single screen at home, though.

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xris:

I have my eye on this one: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16824112005

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Blaksmith:

for the work I do, I would LOVE a dual..

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xris:

hmm, rebate expires in a couple of days.

[07:23:26]

Blaksmith:

ahh.. mine is more square

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toad-six:

xris – in nuvexport, are the command line options of chanid and starttime still valid?

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Blaksmith:

when coding, I use my laptop as my 2nd screen.. keep documents up on it that i need to refer to for commands, pinouts on the chips etc..

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xris:

toad-six: should still work, yes

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toad-six:

i just tried using nuvexport --chanid and --start, and it complains it couldn't find a show at that time

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xris:

toad-six: which version of nuvexport?

[07:26:20]

toad-six:

just d/led from your website

[07:27:26]

xris:

what format did you use for starttime?

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toad-six:

yyyymmddhhmmss

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toad-six:

when i launch nuvexport by itself, i can find the recording at that starttime

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xris:

toad-six: odd, that SHOULD work

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toad-six:

my thoughts exactly

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toad-six:

how does nuvexport search the library?

[07:33:34]

Blaksmith:

can I make mythfrontend a "smaller" picture on my screen? (I know it can go windowed mode, but can it shrink too?)

[07:33:40]

xris:

just compares starttime with the info it pulls from the db

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xris:

toad-six: works for me...

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toad-six:

in the recorded table, i assume

[07:37:44]

toad-six:

i'm using the latest myth from svn, could that have anything to do with it?

[07:38:44]

xris:

shouldn't

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xris:

but if you're using svn, I recommend you grab nuvexport from mythtv svn, too.

[07:39:05]

xris:

it's under mythextras

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xris:

you'll also need to use --with perl when compiling mythtv

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toad-six:

strange thing is that running nuvexport with no options works fine

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Blaksmith:

ok, found out how to resize upon start heh

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toad-six:

oh yea – my copy of nuvexport is from mythtv svn

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xris:

toad-six: I just ran: nuvexport --chanid 1037 --starttime 20061017055900 --confirm

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xris:

it picked up /var/video/1037_20061017055900.mpg just fine

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xris:

granted, I'm not running the absolute latest copy. let me update

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Blaksmith:

Leno was funny tonight

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Blaksmith:

at least his "street Walking"

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xris:

toad-six: yup, still works fine for me

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DVBMark:

hey xris sorry was playing 360 heh, when I click to dload it didn't used to do this at least I don't think heh but now it says I don't have permissions to access this item. Does the myth recordings dir need to have web user privies?

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xris:

DVBMark: yup

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DVBMark:

well actually my webserver is a diff server than myth?

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DVBMark:

how can I give it privs to do that lol

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DVBMark:

do I have to share it? thought that was only for mythvideo

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xris:

DVBMark: mythweb needs access to the recordings files

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DVBMark:

sorry for being ignorant, I do know liniux I promise heh, but if the webserver is on a diff server than myth, how do I do that, by samba sharing the video folders? or what?

[08:00:06]

toad-six:

ok, thanks for checking...

[08:00:31]

xris:

toad-six: fyi, I just copied/pasted the chanid/starttime from the filename

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DVBMark:

I am doing direct download is that not hte proper one heh

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toad-six:

yeah that's what i did too

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Blaksmith:

whee... nothin like runnin an old machine to try to run myth... (paste to follow)

[08:00:56]

Blaksmith:

Message from syslogd@localhost at Thu Dec 28 23:57:47 2006 ...

[08:00:57]

Blaksmith:

localhost kernel: CPU0: Temperature above threshold

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Blaksmith:

Message from syslogd@localhost at Thu Dec 28 23:57:47 2006 ...

[08:00:57]

Blaksmith:

localhost kernel: CPU0: Running in modulated clock mode

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Blaksmith:

but it's still runnin smooth hehe

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** xris hates css and its lack of ability to do stuff tables can. **

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xris:

but.. time to sleep.

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Blaksmith:

sleep? what's that?

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Bernardo:

good morning

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Bernardo:

good morning

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Bernardo:

GreyFoxx: I've got the capture log for the dsm320rd and dlink's media server

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Bernardo:

Had to reinstall wireshark and winpcap...

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emja:

I ripped a few DVDs and found that the transcoding daemon seems to have died while the VOBs were being transcoded. Now I've got a bunch of VOBs in my .dvdrip directory. How do I start the transcoding daemon, and how do I get the existing/orphaned VOBs transcoded?

[09:42:01]

erik_:

I would like to use the programguide on a box without a tv tuner. How can ik keep the guide from crashing?

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emja:

possibly relevant; mythtv-frontend-0.20–144.fc5.at libmyth-0.20–144.fc5.at mythtv-backend-0.20–144.fc5.at transcode-1.0.2–28.fc5.at

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awilkins:

emja: You can stard the transcode daemon by pressing "0" while on the transcoding job monitor screen

[09:46:22]

emja:

didn't work

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awilkins:

Probably something broken than

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awilkins:

*then

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emja:

yeah

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awilkins:

erik_: Does using the program guide from the Schedule recordings menu work for you?

[09:47:53]

emja:

this has happened previously. rebooting gets it all working, but that doesn't necessarily help with the VOBs

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erik_:

awilkins: The problem is that the this menu item crashes when there isn't a tuner configured

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emja:

So can I transcode the VOBs manually (after rebooting, presumably)?

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awilkins:

erik_: You have no tuners on your backend?

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erik_:

awilkins: I can get the tv guide with mytweb

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erik_:

awilkins: I'm using the box for playing music... so no tuner in the backend.

[09:49:55]

erik_:

awilkins: would it be possible to just add a 'dummy' tuner to the database?

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awilkins:

I don't know what kind of initialisation it doe to the tuners when you enter the scheduled recordings guide

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erik_:

awilkins: Is there a way to see the error log. I would like to know what happens when the front-end crashes

[09:55:08]

awilkins:

The myth programs log to the console with various levels of verbosity.

[09:55:27]

awilkins:

You need to find your init scripts to determine where they log to (but it's usually somewhere in /var/log

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awilkins:

And you might want to change the verbosity paramters

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awilkins:

do a mythbackend -v help to see which params are supported

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juski:

or mythfrontend -v help ;)

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awilkins:

I think all the apps list all the verbosity levels :-)

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awilkins:

I find that a bit grating, because some levels don't apply to all the apps.

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festr:

hello

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festr:

anyone here to help me solving radeon vga->rgb scart sync issues? i've spent few days reading docs but i'm in the end of my skills to solve this:

[10:21:54]

festr:

i've radeon IGP 9100. Xorg with ati radeon xorg driver and resolution 720x576 interlaced composite

[10:21:56]

festr:

this works great

[10:22:10]

festr:

but not great with interlaced mpeg2 from dvb-t sources

[10:22:43]

festr:

i'm playing moive through xv extension and it seems it is deinterlacing and interlacing it again so movie is not flow

[10:23:01]

festr:

so i've started playing with directfb

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festr:

but i cant get my card to set correctly modeline

[10:23:31]

festr:

maybe it has someting to do with comsposite sync

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festr:

which i can set in xorg.conf modeline but this option is not at framebuffer?

[10:24:03]

festr:

any help are welcome

[10:24:31]

Dagmar:

Framebuffer is not going to do any resolutions that require a modeline in xorg

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juski:

here's a shock for you

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juski:

even tv outs generally don't do interlaced modes

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juski:

what you get is interlaced PAL or NTSC video from the svideo or composite socket, but what goes _in_ to the vga card's TV encoder isn't interlaced

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juski:

so, you need to deinterlace

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festr:

i've VGA-> RGB scart

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festr:

i'm playing not through s-video

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festr:

this VGA port is driving TV directly

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juski:

maybe you're not scaling the video 1:1

[10:26:46]

juski:

see if the 'use gui size for tv playback' checkbox is set. if it is, uncheck it

[10:26:56]

festr:

the X screen is working very well

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juski:

so?

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festr:

mythtv is going well through X and xv extension

[10:27:23]

juski:

maybe you're not listening

[10:27:29]

festr:

sorry that

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festr:

back to your suggestion

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festr:

scaling video 1:1

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festr:

if not this could brake deinterlacing?

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juski:

if what you have recorded does not get represented 1:1 on your TV, then interlaced material will look bad if you do not deinterlace it

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festr:

but i dont want to deinterlace it

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juski:

so try to make sure that video playback is NOT being scaled

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festr:

because TV input is interlaced

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juski:

duh

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juski:

I know

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festr:

it is not scaled

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juski:

did you resize the mythtv gui to fit on the screen?

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juski:

is the 'use GUI size for tv playbox' checkbox set?

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juski:

if so, video IS being scaled

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festr:

i will look

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festr:

i'm testing video with mplayer now

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festr:

with -noaspect parametr

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juski:

arggh

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festr:

and -vo xv

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juski:

never mind that

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juski:

oh fuck it

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festr:

why?

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festr:

if i run mplayer -vo xv -noaspect, movie is deinterlaced and interlaced again -> BAD

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festr:

mplayer -vo dga movie is tearing (it has someting to do with vsync which DGA does not provide i guess)

[10:33:03]

festr:

i'll try mythtv with option 'use GUI size for tv playbox'

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festr:

but i'm affrad of it does not helo

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festr:

i'm trying to swith to directfb because of vsync capability, but cant get right timing. my radeon can do composite sync which is enabled in xorg.conf modeline, but directfb has no future like this?

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festr:

its really pain :)

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festr:

aha juski quit :(

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festr:

juski: do you have some time now ? :)

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Dagmar:

So what gives you the idea that directfb has this capability?

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juski:

video playback without xv is gonna suck anyway

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** Bernardo can't wait for his media pc to arrive to start having problems setting up X... **

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juski:

like I said, make sure the video mythtv plays isn;t being scaled

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festr:

juski: i've unchecked it

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festr:

and it is the same

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Bernardo:

my main problem will be getting the modelines right, I think.

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festr:

when using xv extension, it deinterlace mpeg-2 interlaced source and again deinterlace

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festr:

this is main problem

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Dagmar:

Bernardo: What kind of display are you going to be using?

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juski:

festr: xv should not deinterlace anything

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Bernardo:

Dagmar: a samsung 16:9 tv

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Dagmar:

The leprechaun told him it did

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festr:

juski: but it does

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juski:

anyway this'll teach you for not buying nvidia

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festr:

juski: or mythtv does it

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Bernardo:

Dagmar: 5 years old

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Dagmar:

Bernardo: Bulb or LCD?

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juski:

mythtv doesn't deinterlace unless you tell it to

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festr:

juski: so i dont understand why it is ghosting :(

[10:55:09]

festr:

juski: when i use mplayer -vo xv it is deinterlaced

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festr:

juski: mplayer -vo dga -> nice clear picture but tearing (no vsync support for dga)

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Bernardo:

Dagmar: bulb

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juski:

ghosting is not a side effect is deinterlacing

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Dagmar:

Bernardo: Either way, modelines are not as hard to generate as the illiterati make it out to be

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juski:

s/is/of

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Bernardo:

Dagmar: I've had my share of problems with my laptop, getting the right modelines for this tv

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festr:

juski: so not ghosting (i cant find right word cause english is not my native lang:) . video is not flowless

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Bernardo:

but the laptop is a sis730 chipset, so it has enough problems of his own

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Bernardo:

its own

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festr:

i'l be happy if i can use directfb

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juski:

festr: try playing a dvd

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festr:

juski: why?

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juski:

a dvd you know has interlaced content on it

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juski:

because then you can rule out the capture card

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festr:

juski: i have interlaced mpeg2 source

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juski:

oh wait yeah you're using dvb

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festr:

sure

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festr:

and i said it has to be deinterlaced somewhere before it goes to vga

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festr:

although interlaced is set to off

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festr:

resolution is 1:1

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festr:

so i tryed to play with mplayer and set differents videooutputs

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juski:

bullshit

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festr:

best is dga

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festr:

but dga has no feature vsync

[11:00:21]

festr:

so last chance for me is to use directfb

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festr:

for my radeon

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juski:

have fun with _that_ then

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festr:

but the problem is that i cant get right modeline (or videomode)

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Dagmar:

Whatever is making you think directfb is going to do this, there's probably medication for it

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festr:

Dagmar: i can find some links to discussions

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juski:

are you using an interlaced modeline to start with?

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festr:

they are mentioning that directfb opengl and vesafb does vsync

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festr:

juski: yes

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festr:

juski: http://softdevice.berlios.de/

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juski:

have you played an interlaced test clip to make sure it's okay?

[11:02:30]

juski:

http://www.kingcot.eclipse.co.uk/unichrome/interlace_test2.mpeg

[11:02:35]

festr:

juski: no, but text console is doing the same thing as mplayer -vo directdb

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festr:

screen is like "jumping"

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juski:

jumping? sounds extreme

[11:03:28]

juski:

jiggling up & down a little would be nearer the mark

[11:03:48]

festr:

jumping horizontally

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festr:

vertical is right

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juski:

horizontally?

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festr:

yes

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juski:

if a console is showing horizontal artifacts then there is more wrong than just interlacing

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festr:

i dont know how to describe this "jumping" :(.

[11:05:20]

festr:

when playing interlaced mpgeg

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festr:

the screen is doubled

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quicksilver:

jumping horizontally sonuds like your TV is failing to sync, doesn't it?

[11:05:39]

festr:

scaled twice at y axe

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festr:

quicksilver: maybe

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juski:

that's not an interlacing issue

[11:05:56]

festr:

yes off course

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quicksilver:

well not completely failing, but not completely succeeding eitehr

[11:06:02]

festr:

quicksilver: yes

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quicksilver:

failign to get a stable sync

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juski:

that's an E_user_has_ATI problem

[11:06:17]

festr:

but!

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festr:

xorg modeline has keywork composite

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festr:

which switch ati radeon to make composite syncing

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juski:

and?

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festr:

maybe i've made not generally working vga->rgb

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festr:

but it works only when turning on composite vsync

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juski:

sounds like mplayer is switching video modes when there is no need for it to do that

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festr:

so i'm affraid if i can turn this in directfb

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festr:

juski: mplayer switch to resolution which i set at directfbrc

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juski:

then that's the problem

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festr:

juski: and there is only one resolution 768x576

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juski:

download that test clip I gave you the link to

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festr:

i'm downloding it

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juski:

play it back using mplayer with: mplayer interlace_test2.mpeg

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juski:

no special modes, no bullshit

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festr:

juski: mplayer -vo xv

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juski:

it should look like this: http://www.kingcot.eclipse.co.uk/unichrome/interlace_test2.jpeg

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festr:

juski: i see moving bar

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juski:

# Both red and green lines should be present. If only one colour is present then one of the interlaced fields has been lost. The red and green areas should flicker, quite a lot, at 25Hz.

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festr:

juski: the bottom green is distorted

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juski:

# The horizontal lines should be distinct and evenly spaced. If there is bunching or indistinct lines then this shows that some form of vertical scaling or filtering is in use.

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juski:

# Where the red and green lines meet up at the centre, you should see that they are displaced one line apart.

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juski:

distorted how?

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festr:

upper right green area does not have vertical lines

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festr:

eeeer

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festr:

horizontal lines

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juski:

then one of the fields is missing and you are not outputting true interlaced video

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festr:

Movie-Aspect is undefined – no prescaling applied.

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festr:

juski: how it is possible :(

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juski:

something wrong with the driver or the modeline, would be how it's possible

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festr:

:)

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festr:

i will by matrox

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festr:

these radeons sux

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** juski laughs **

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juski:

good luck getting mythtv to work with directfb

[11:14:39]

festr:

i've asus barebone small pc

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festr:

this radeon is integrated

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festr:

what a messss

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juski:

buy a NVIDIA card

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festr:

i've only PCI

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festr:

slots

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festr:

no agp

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juski:

so buy a PCI nvidia card

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juski:

pci fx5200 or so

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festr:

hmmm interesting idea

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festr:

will it works?

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festr:

with VGA->RGB

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festr:

scart

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juski:

it won't do SCART output

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festr:

cable?

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festr:

and some pci card (i know matrox can do this) vga->rgba scart?

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juski:

well rather it WILL, but you need a circuit and a cable, and some drivers won't let you output interlaced video

[11:16:21]

juski:

yeah but matrox will want to use directfb

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festr:

yes matrox has its own well working drivers

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festr:

no need for directfb

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juski:

really?

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juski:

well, good luck with that then

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festr:

dfbmga DirectFB / Matrox G200/G400/G450/G550

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festr:

i've read a lot of disccussisions

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festr:

there is general problem to passthrough right interlaced video without modifications to vga

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festr:

with some cards or so on

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festr:

:(

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juski:

RGB isn't _that_ much better than svideo anyway

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juski:

you probably won't even notice the difference on most TVs

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festr:

yes. but, ati drop supporting my IGP 9100

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festr:

chipsets

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festr:

and my latest drivers have bug with xv extension

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festr:

it is scaled about 1/3

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festr:

for tv output

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festr:

gatos project doesnt work with my tvout

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festr:

really pain

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festr:

so i started to assemble vga-rgb

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juski:

THAT'S ATI

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festr:

amazing output

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festr:

but for divx movies

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juski:

one field missing, yeah _great_

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festr:

no really, divx movies

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festr:

nice

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festr:

much better then s-video

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festr:

a lot

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juski:

but they're progressive anyway

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festr:

sure

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festr:

in czech dvb-t is interlaced

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festr:

i like mythtv

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juski:

I use bob deinterlacing... looks great

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festr:

but comparing broadcast and dvb-t quality is very horrible

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juski:

even text scrolling sideways looks great

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festr:

even with bob deinterlacing

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festr:

i've tryed every algo deinterlacer

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festr:

compared to broadcast tv

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festr:

it is uncomparable

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festr:

wathing some sports...

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juski:

well, I tried my fx5200 nvidia card with svideo output at 800x600. using nvidia-settings I got _fantastic_ looking playback without needing to deinterlace

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festr:

annoying ghosting

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festr:

i cant believe

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juski:

I couldn't believe it either

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festr:

it is true interlaced?

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juski:

I was up close to the 24" TV it was plugged into & looked amazing

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festr:

what about scrolling text?

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juski:

fast moving images looked great

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festr:

and fast motions?

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juski:

so did scrolling text

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juski:

I was puzzled by it because I had not set up deinterlacing

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juski:

sometime in July, the logs for this channel will show that

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** Bernardo wonders if he can convince the wife to let him buy a nvidia for the media center pc, which has a atix300 **

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festr:

what about this mpeg deinterlace test?

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** juski wonders when people will stop blaspheming in here **

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festr:

juski: what about this mpeg playing it on nvidia?

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juski:

festr: never tried it, but I can assure you I'm very critical

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festr:

juski: me too

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festr:

juski: try it

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festr:

juski: and i will come later to tell me if it looks exactly like the gif

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juski:

1. the tv is in a different room now and 2. I can't be bothered

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festr:

juski: and i'l buy nv

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festr:

juski: sure

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festr:

juski: i mean try it sometime

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juski:

bah mythtv.beirdo.ca is unobtainable again

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festr:

juski: i'll come later to this chan

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Beirdo:

muh?

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festr:

i'll never buy ati card

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festr:

:(

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Beirdo:

what the hell is that machine doing now?

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Bernardo:

I thought it was just me, I'm getting timeouts trying to access it

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juski:

I've sometimes had a timeout or 2, then it's no problem. not today though :(

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Beirdo:

weird. It's being a pain, let's see...

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festr:

maybe i'll install winxp for temporaly playing dvb :(((

[11:28:55]

Inssomniak:

terminate called after throwing an instance of 'std::bad_alloc'

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Beirdo:

let's try restarting the web server to start

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Inssomniak:

I have yet for mythtv to work longer than 6 hours :(

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Beirdo:

juski, that seemed to have fixed it for now

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festr:

anyone here with vga-rgb scart? there is on thing i dont understand. i've assembled cabel like this scheme: http://www.idiots.org.uk/vga_rgb_scart/images/cable_wiring.gif

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radi0head:

Beirdo; Any ideas on a release date for the next stable version of MythTV?

[11:30:39]

Beirdo:

no clue

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festr:

but i dont do this http://www.idiots.org.uk/vga_rgb_scart/images/scart_control.gif

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Bernardo:

Inssomniak: mythtv has been stable for me since I started using the v4l-dvb mercurial branch drivers

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radi0head:

Beirdo; Okay thanks.

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festr:

The 'Blanking' control input signal tells the TV that you want to input video from either a composite or RGB source.

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Beirdo:

no problem

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Beirdo:

I think I'll restart irssi too, that might lower the memory usage a bit too

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festr:

maybe directfb should work

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festr:

if i tell my tv to sync from rgb

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festr:

and not from composite

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festr:

which i cant get to work under directfb but xorg enables composite sync feature on my radeon

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festr:

any idea?

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radi0head:

Beirdo; heh, I sometime clear the ram/swap, good ol' init 1 && init 3 :D

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Beirdo:

mailman tends to occasionally go apeshit too

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Beirdo:

and finally, bouncing mysqld

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Beirdo:

that's 150MB out of swap.

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Beirdo:

BRB

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Beirdo:

There

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Beirdo:

completely out of swap. irssi tends to accumulate memory after a while, especially when you're in a lot of channels, and you use it primarily in proxy mode.

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Beirdo:

the scrollback tends to pile up

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Beirdo:

from 95M VIRT to 5M. Ahhh

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Zider:

must be a proxy mode thingie bug then

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Beirdo:

nah

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Beirdo:

it's the 40 channels plus privmsgs all having huge scrollbacks

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Beirdo:

I don't use the console much

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Beirdo:

I use xchat from home attached to it... so its builtin scrollback is just accumulating messages

[11:40:16]

Beirdo:

I'm making that poor little linode doo just a bit too much

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Zider:

I have pretty big scrollbacks too, and never seen any abnormal ram usage

[11:41:22]

Beirdo:

yeah, but I'm running it on a 150MB RAM linode (or so)

[11:41:30]

Zider:

linode?

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Beirdo:

not a machine with 1G :)

[11:41:44]

Beirdo:

yes. www.linode.com

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Zider:

hm, mkay

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Beirdo:

it has the bot on it (which takes 2M virtual RAM) :)

[11:43:30]

Beirdo:

and web stuff, mysql, mailman, asterisk

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Zider:

hehe

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Beirdo:

it gets quite tight on memory and eats into swap then starts acting crazy

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Beirdo:

I also further limited apache to 12 clients max instead of 15, should help a bit to

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Beirdo:

too even

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Zider:

hehe

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null__:

Hello all. I have a problem with MythVideo. If I try to watch a DVD .ISO file stored on the master backend I can watch the first 10 to 15 minutes, but then it suddenly returns to the metadata screen. On the console I get a "Failed to read from block device" message. What could I do to debug this problem?

[11:58:48]

juski:

encrippled dvd?

[11:58:49]

Bernardo:

first check your dmesg output

[11:59:04]

null__:

Bernardo: nothing there.

[11:59:36]

null__:

juski: I don't know, but I think so. I dd'd it from the original disc, so I probably copied the CSS over, yes.

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Bernardo:

I was thinking you might have a corrupted fs

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null__:

Bernardo: well, it works perfectly from another frontend...

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null__:

I think there's a problem with NFS. Is there a way to make the backend stream the DVD over the myth protocol?

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juski:

nope

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juski:

I mean, other than doing some _work_ on the code, no

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null__:

of course. Hm, that sucks. Maybe a more verbose output of mythfrontend will bring more details.. let me try..

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juski:

that sucks?! ffs man

[12:09:37]

juski:

folks slave away over code for hours on end & all you can say is it sucks? pfft

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BULLE:

better whip those slaves properly, so the work better!

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** BULLE ducks **

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null__:

juski: I don't mean the code sucks. I just mean it sucks to debug this..

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quicksilver:

null__: bad read, maybe?

[12:11:42]

quicksilver:

null__: when you initially copied it

[12:11:53]

null__:

quicksilver: well, it works on another box...

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juski:

the same file?

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null__:

juski: jup

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juski:

in the same location?

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null__:

juop

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juski:

try playing it with xine & see if it produces anything different

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null__:

ok

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ille_:

juski: I tried blotube yesterday, nice work, looked very good

[12:13:15]

juski:

but?

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juski:

actually, no

[12:13:27]

juski:

LA LA LA LA LA LA LA LA I can't hear you

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ille_:

no buts here...

[12:14:41]

juski:

cool :)

[12:15:05]

juski:

not like a certain mythtv-users mailing list contributor I could mention then ;)

[12:15:29]

juski:

"it's fantastic but can you just change the color (sic) of this square here?"

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quicksilver:

juski: your blootube theme is cool but I hate it because it didn't do the ironing last night

[12:15:41]

quicksilver:

juski: it didn't even feed the cats

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quicksilver:

sucky theme

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ille_:

lol

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** juski chuckles **

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juski:

I've started working on the 4:3 version

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ille_:

sounds pointless

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juski:

some folks still live in 4:3 land ya know

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juski:

talk about selfless acts... doing a theme I'll never even use myself!

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juski:

ahem

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ille_:

I would skip that...

[12:18:58]

juski:

yeah well I'm not you

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juski:

;)

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juski:

I'll also do a 'lite' version of the wide theme which'll use less memory

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juski:

maximum exposure!

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quicksilver:

awesome

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toad_:

hauppages wintv nova-t 500 dual digital DVB-T PCI ... this is listed as "will be fully supported in the very near future" on the wiki at http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/DVB_USB . . . e_DiB0700.29

[13:33:40]

toad_:

also says dib7000p.ko (Patrick finished the driver but it's still in hg)

[13:33:50]

toad_:

what amount of hoops will i have to go through to get it to work?

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toad_:

i can patch, compile kernels etc if i need to, but i'd prefer something that wasn't too high maintenance

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juski:

you can download the modules from the hg repository & compile them yourself. I've done it before & it wasnt too hard. damned if I can remember what I had to do though

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juski:

begs the question why you'd buy a card before checking the wiki at linuxtv.org though ;)

[13:38:27]

toad_:

i didn't

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toad_:

i'm trying to find a usable card to buy

[13:39:15]

** toad_ is considering a Cinergy T2 **

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juski:

makes a change around here

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juski:

if you have spare PCI slots I'd go for 2 tuners myself – ones which are well proven to work

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toad_:

which you can buy (in the UK) from ...?

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juski:

I bought my dvb tuners from ebay – all for less than Â£25

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juski:

2nd user, most of them

[13:41:17]

juski:

but they work great

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juski:

www.scan.co.uk are ok, as are ebuyer.com

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juski:

I wouldn't deal with scan with mailorder though – heard some bad things

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quicksilver:

ebuyer aren't the greatest for customer service but they get there in the end, and they're cheap

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juski:

infact if you can possibly help it, avoid mailorder altogether

[13:43:43]

juski:

though in Manchester I know I'm spoilt by having no less than 5 decent dealers nearby

[13:43:56]

juski:

that's not counting the big overpriced sheds either

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toad_:

hmmm

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toad_:

I very much doubt that I'd find any of the 5% of DVB cards that are supported in my local computer shops

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juski:

5%? pfft it's a lot more than that

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juski:

just avoid shitty makes like twinhan

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toad_:

of the cards I can see on dabs.com 1 works out of the box and is USB, 1 works with patches

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toad_:

most of the rest aren't listed

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toad_:

and there are around 40 cards there

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juski:

I had to patch my kernel 2 years ago

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juski:

now it's built in, automagical detection, worky out of the box (tm)

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juski:

and has been for a long time

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juski:

if there are drivers in hg, just use them. it's not rocket science getting them working

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toad_:

okay so you're saying I should get the -500?

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juski:

if you feel up to building modules yourself why not?

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toad_:

nova-t 500 dual digital thingy

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juski:

that's actually 2 USB tuners on a PCI card with a USB-PCI bridge

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toad_:

that's not a problem, I'm just concerned about maintenance / stability

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toad_:

yeah i know

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quicksilver:

unless you're trying to get them working so that you can record signals from the cameras mounted on your linux-powered space rocket. Then it *is* rocket science, obviously.

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juski:

maintenance?

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toad_:

well, the hg drivers are stable?

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juski:

build the modules, load em.. if they worky, it's all gravy

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toad_:

they are just modules? okay

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juski:

drivers tend not to be unstable

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toad_:

any opinions on PCI versus USB?

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juski:

PCI every time

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toad_:

even if that PCI just has a USB controller on it and a couple of USB devices?

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juski:

I just don't trust USB enough to be always there when I need it

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juski:

I think that'd be ok

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toad_:

right, i've always been a little suspicious of it from things i've heard from people

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juski:

ieee.1394 FTW!

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juski:

firewire whoops USB's ass

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juski:

even USB2

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juski:

way I see USB is that it's great for stuff like printers, keyboards & mice but not much else

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at0m|c:

midi controllers :)

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juski:

maybe USB in linux is way better than it is in windows

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** toad_ needs to check how many PCI slots he has **

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toad_:

brb

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toad_:

hmmm well the 500 dual looks okay then

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toad_:

i'd prefer something with analog capture as well though...

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toad_:

cinergy 1400 would be nice if i can find a supplier...

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juski:

you do realise that the analogue capture will only be software encoding?

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juski:

the Hauppauhe hvr1300 is the only one which'll do hardware mpeg2 on the analogue side AFAIK – and that's not worky in linux yet

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juski:

s/Hauppauhe/Hauppauge

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juski:

when I get some spare time I might set up a framegrabber & put some clips online so you can see why they're not worth wasting your time on

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chairman:

Hi

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chairman:

I have a question regarding channels. I have a DVB-S card and Canal Digital (living in norway) I got the stuff set up and everything is working nicely the question is. Is there anyway I can group channels and so on

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chairman:

When I did a channel scan I got many channels that I don't have subscription for and I got various channels I want to group together. For example I want all the movie channels together and every sport channel together and so on

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toad_:

juski: :|

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toad_:

juski: software mpeg-4 should work okay on a 3200 amd64 though?

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juski:

chairman: there's no way to group channels at the moment

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juski:

toad_: yeah, but it'll still suck

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toad_:

why?

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chairman:

juski: can I change the channel numbering?

[14:16:59]

chairman:

grouping channels is really nice.

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toad_:

online encode = low quality ?

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juski:

toad_: you'll see

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chairman:

Now I have 217 channels and I don't know where anything is

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toad_:

juski: so on linux you can't actually do analog video capture in any useful way, short of saving as high quality MJPEG and encoding offline?

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ille_:

chairman: use mythweb or channel editor

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juski:

toad_: maybe it's better with some cards than others, but whether you have cpu cycles spare or not, nothing beats hardware encoding

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juski:

for one thing, most framegrabbers don't even do their own audio capture

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toad_:

why is that a problem?

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toad_:

3.5:1 MJPEG is approximately 30GB/hour, so offline encoding _is_ feasible

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juski:

why is that a problem? mutliple tuners?

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toad_:

is it possible to encode 3.5:1 MJPEG in real time? I'd hope so ...

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toad_:

juski: so you can only capture one analog stream at once... that i can live with

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juski:

what are you thinking of capturing that's analogue?

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toad_:

even raw is feasible with modern disks in fact...

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toad_:

VHS

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toad_:

and occasionally stuff from cable

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juski:

btw working out conflicts between tuner inputs will be interesting, since v4l & dvb are treated differently in mythtv (i.e. as different cards)

[14:24:04]

Beirdo:

YAY

[14:24:18]

Beirdo:

Linode just gave all users 33% more disk space

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Beirdo:

heh

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toad_:

okay so the terratec will show up as 2 different cards, one DVB and one V4L?

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quicksilver:

that's effectively how my ComproMate shows up

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juski:

and mythtv will want one of them all the time

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toad_:

maybe I should have got the 500 thingy, but the terratec is fully supported and has both analog and DVB

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toad_:

juski: it'll grab the DVB, no?

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juski:

one thing you'll quickly find is that one tuner ain't enough ;)

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toad_:

:)

[14:25:46]

toad_:

i have room for another expansion card when i need it

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toad_:

then i can have 3 tuners :)

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juski:

for the price of a pvr150, I'd just buy one aswell

[14:26:10]

juski:

Â£37.00 or so from scan

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juski:

I've seen framegrbbers go for more than that

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toad_:

you said don't mail order from scan

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juski:

heh. they have the cheapest pvr150 cards in the UK though

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chairman:

Has anyone tried the hauppauge card with dvb-s, dvb-t and analog? does it work in linux / mythtv?

[14:27:24]

toad_:

first hit for pvr150 on scan is 53.00+vat

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toad_:

juski: how many tuners _do_ you need?

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juski:

four

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juski:

three dvb-t and one pvr150

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juski:

don't need three very often but when I do it's life or death (wife asking for godknows how many shows to be recorded at once)

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toad_:

okay so for now i have one, when we use it enough to want two i get a -500 thingy, that takes us up to 3; if we really need a fourth i get something on USB

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quicksilver:

if you're going to use it as your primary TV-watching device, you need 3

[14:29:10]

toad_:

we do have cable as well at the moment

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Dr_willis:

I found the PVR-150 after rebates on sale for $50 USA.

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toad_:

quicksilver: one for pausing live tv, two for recording stuff in the background?

[14:29:27]

quicksilver:

if it's only for recording (e.g. you watch with an STB or you never watch live tv) then two is enough

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Dr_willis:

that came with the remote. :)

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quicksilver:

toad_: right

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toad_:

you can record all the channels on a single mux with a single tuner, correct?

[14:29:41]

juski:

if you use mythtv properly livetv will become a thing of the past

[14:29:45]

juski:

wrong

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toad_:

no?

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juski:

with VDR you can

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juski:

not with mythtv

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quicksilver:

juski: cannot necessarily educate other members of the household in that, alas :(

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toad_:

:|

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quicksilver:

toad_: it's a feature which is likely to be coded at some point though

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juski:

some whiners & whingers have been campaigning for it, but who gives a fuck about them

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toad_:

quicksilver: that would be a significant enhancement

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toad_:

well they should go code it agreed

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juski:

they've scraped a paltry sum together if that makes any difference :-|

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juski:

;)

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toad_:

hehe

[14:31:15]

toad_:

i don't do any recreational coding right now

[14:31:28]

toad_:

life is just too full :|

[14:31:44]

toad_:

(i work on OSS for a living though, which is good)

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juski:

I'm busy saving my new 4:3 theme watermarks

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toad_:

anyway i have 3 slots, one will be a sound card, one will be the analog+DVB card, and one will (later) be a dual-DVB card

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juski:

which distro are you planning to run all this on btw?

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toad_:

that's assuming i don't need an extra IDE card ... hmmm ...

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toad_:

etch

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[Jasper]:

anyone here know anyone who has a box with a remote dvd player ?

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toad_:

(debian testing, recently frozen)

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[Jasper]:

with a long distance in between the box and the dvd player?

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Beirdo:

I and the bot will be back shortly

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juski:

just forewarning you about udev swapping the order of cards at module loading time

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juski:

it's easy enough to fix with either udev rules or module blacklists (and scripted module loading)

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toad_:

well i'll only have 2 cards, and they'll be of different classes, no?

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juski:

not necessarily

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juski:

my dvb cards also get given /dev/video nodes

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toad_:

i mean initially it's just one card with two interfaces of different types

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juski:

I'm subscribed but I only read the archives

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juski:

toad_: no, _your_ questions are not stupid-ass

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juski:

believe me

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juski:

you've not seen the list yet ;)

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toad_:

lol

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Beirdo:

There we go.

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toad_:

seriously what's the best way to get notified about new releases?

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Beirdo:

/dev/ubda 8.4G 5.8G 2.6G 70% /

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Beirdo:

much nicer

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juski:

toad_: they're infrequent enough to not need instant gratification

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BULLE:

just check the homepage once a week ?

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juski:

and when there _is_ a new release it's not unusual for the slashdot effect to overload the server

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toad_:

:)

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** juski nukes slashdot **

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toad_:

does mythdvd hook into HAL and offer to play a DVD when one is inserted?

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juski:

I think it can do yeah

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** toad_ is using oxine at the moment, which doesn't, but is a nice UI if you just want playback **

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null__:

juski: if you're interested: I fixed my problem, it was an issue with NFSv2, it can't handle files bigger than 2 GB I think... my images are 8 GB =)

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juski:

null__: aha :)

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toad_:

what's the issue with reiser3?

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juski:

it's in a state of fucked-up-edness last I heard

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toad_:

i was on the reiser list for a while and the problems with the 2G limit were glibc issues iirc

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juski:

use at your peril

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juski:

but like any other fs, YMMV

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toad_:

well there is the fact that it's less than 10 years old yeah, and its fsck used to be total crap; the HOWTO implies there are specific corruption issues with reiser3 and mythtv

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** toad_ is curious what these are if so **

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juski:

I only ever had one problem with ext3 & that was when I tried deleting over 300GB in one go

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juski:

now I just enable gradual file deletes in mythtv ;)

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toad_:

is XFS sufficiently stable for production use?

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juski:

apparently

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toad_:

http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1697,2055339,00.asp

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toad_:

XFS can cause issues (but is good for big files); reiserfs has had issues

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fryfrog:

toad_: i've been using XFS for 2–3 years now and it has been fine

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toad_:

fryfrog: i need to be able to shrink the partition

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DVBMark:

I went with JFS, is XFS supposed to be better

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fryfrog:

toad_: i prefer it for large file systems, and usually use reiser or ext3 on smaller "system" partitions

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fryfrog:

toad_: ah, well that rules it out

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fryfrog:

toad_: *shrinking* is for pussies, real men only grow it :)

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fryfrog:

DVBMark: nah, I think JFS and XFS are probably just as good

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DVBMark:

figured as much, thanks

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fryfrog:

i recently discovered xfs_fsr which is a defragger for xfs

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Bernardo:

I gave up on reiser the second time I had to rebuild it and it lost data...

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DVBMark:

haven't completely jumped on the wagon yet heh just my main drive is JFS others are EXT3 lol

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toad_:

Bernardo: recently?

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fryfrog:

and of course, xfs can grow (but in' not sure if jfs cant)

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DVBMark:

no need to grow with myth doing Storage dirs now!:)

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fryfrog:

i think the *one* think about xfs and jfs is that you really should have a UPS

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fryfrog:

er, s/think/thing

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DVBMark:

not very recoverable ehh heh

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DVBMark:

luckily mine is on one

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Bernardo:

toad_: two years ago, I think

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toad_:

Bernardo: so reiser3? hmm, it should have been stable by that point

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toad_:

i've never had any problems with reiser; had issues with LVM though

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Bernardo:

reiser3, yes

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Bernardo:

maybe it was because I was using it on a laptop, maybe it was because I did a lot of compiles (source based distro), but I had some data loss

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fryfrog:

DVBMark: well, they journel... but they are really high end production file systems

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fryfrog:

so they kind of expect to be up all the time

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DVBMark:

ya

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DVBMark:

well just have to be mindful of it when I put myth on my parents system, don't think their ups is quite that large so it wouldn't hold it as long but sounds like an excuse for them to buy another one heh

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fryfrog:

i hooked my ups up to my Ubuntu box and it actually just showed up

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fryfrog:

i did a test and pulled the plug on my ups... and ubuntu shut down almost immediatly

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fryfrog:

i don't think it gets accurate load/time until 0 charge... but at least it does a graceful shutdown

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toad_:

question: do i want a dedicated disk for video? LVM has had underwhelming performance for me in the past

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DVBMark:

haven't actually gone as far as hooking the cables up heh, guess I should lol

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toad_:

maybe it's just because some of my drives are rather slow

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DVBMark:

but don't want it to immediately shutdown cuz we have power surges all the time

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DVBMark:

so ideally it would come back

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DVBMark:

is it configurable at all

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fryfrog:

toad_: are you running a recent svn?

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fryfrog:

toad_: cause it supports multiple recording dirs

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fryfrog:

toad_: which could be awsome :)

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DVBMark:

ya and much safer than lvm man, we had this discussion the other day heh, playing with fire

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DVBMark:

lol

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fryfrog:

DVBMark: some day, i should look into getting it to be accurate cause its a *big* ups

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toad_:

:)

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toad_:

BACKUPS!!!!!

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toad_:

:)

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fryfrog:

would probably keep the server up for 20–40 minutes i would guess

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DVBMark:

ya fryfrog, will have delve into it, just now getting into myth so not worried bout it just yet but will have to hook it up and see what I can do

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fryfrog:

i just have a plain old raid5 array, i still don't see the point of lvm :)

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DVBMark:

one of those things on lvm except in raid, is you lose 1 drive you could lose them all, so just not worth it for me

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quicksilver:

leaving space spare

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fryfrog:

yar

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quicksilver:

fryfrog: so you can add space later to whichever partition

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quicksilver:

and then buy a new HD

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quicksilver:

and add space from that new HD to your old partitions

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fryfrog:

quicksilver: i can grow my raid5 no-problemo :)

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fryfrog:

i guess lvm has its uses, just couldn't find any use of it for me is all

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quicksilver:

fryfrog: if you're happy with everything as one big partition then I don't think lvm has particular appeal to you

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fryfrog:

yeah, i guess thats the problem :)

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DVBMark:

question for anyone, running mythweb on a seperate server on my network connecting to my myth box. Runs fine overall, but can't stream the recordings nor download them, when I goto download them it mentions the file not existing in the recordings directory. when I know it is there. Is there something permission wise I need to do being as my myth box isn't my webserver?

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fryfrog:

i am just happy with one ginormous partition :)

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quicksilver:

lvm is damn handy for the case of 'hmm, I want to add 50 more G to /backups.' ... 3 weeks later ... '25 more G for videos'

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fryfrog:

DVBMark: try mounting the recordings dir where mythweb is looking for it

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quicksilver:

and with the right permissions for www-data to read the files

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quicksilver:

(or whatever user your server runs as)

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DVBMark:

I knew you had to do that for mythvideo but didn't realize you did for mythweb, that kinda blows heh but ok will try, thanks

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DVBMark:

ya figured on the www-data if it is on the same server but being as it is pulling from another wasn't sure.

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fryfrog:

DVBMark: how is mythweb supposed to access the file if it is not *on* the server?

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quicksilver:

DVBMark: think about it a little :) who is going to send that file to your client?

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fryfrog:

tcp/ip over magic pixies?

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toad_:

can mythtv play h264?

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quicksilver:

nono, magic pixie over clay pigeons

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DVBMark:

I dunno LMAO, figured it pulled the location from the database and sent it over the pixie dust pipe and streamed it from there lmao

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DVBMark:

made it's own little tunnel

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DVBMark:

heh

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DVBMark:

you don't have little people in your system?

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DVBMark:

LOL

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DVBMark:

hmm maybe I need to go see the doctor

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quicksilver:

"PULL!" *crack* there goes bridget jones

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Dr_willis:

"Little Computer People" a C64 game..

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juski:

toad_: yeah, but it's not optimal

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juski:

we're patiently awaiting nvidia's purevideo support to appear in linux though

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juski:

no rush though, I mean it's not like we're gonna get HDTV in the UK until 2012 at the earliest – once the BBC's trials are closed down

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Dibblah:

Eh? We get HD now...

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juski:

not free to air HD

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Dibblah:

Admittedly, it'll never hit a Linux box.

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toad_:

well there's a guy on #hardware telling me it's the best format

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juski:

not stuff which isn't crippled by DRM

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Dibblah:

There's also the EuroHD offer.

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juski:

also encrippled

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Dibblah:

For which you just need to buy a card / CAM.

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Dibblah:

Yes, but legally decryptable.

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toad_:

legally decryptable? how come?

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Dibblah:

... By buying a subscription, of course.

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toad_:

ahhh

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juski:

with officially sanctioned hardware & a real subscription

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Dibblah:

No hardware.

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toad_:

on an officially sanctioned operating system?

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juski:

nah

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Dibblah:

Just DVB-s + CAM slot + CAM + card.

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juski:

that's what I meant

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Dibblah:

Unlike Sky.

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juski:

dvb-s2 support is coming to linux gradually :)

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toad_:

isn't h264 better for ordinary resolution video?

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juski:

I'm looking fwd to seeing what a great mess OFCOM make of the spectrum sale

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juski:

better for making blocks of solid colour & graduations look shitty? yeah

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juski:

I had a good look at $ky HD the other week, side by side next to a proper HD demo playout. it looked GASH compared to the playout

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juski:

"here's what we _could_ have..."

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toad_:

so you prefer MPEG4?

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juski:

encoded right, just about anything can look good

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juski:

anyway, no mythtv won't transcode to h.264 out of the box

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toad_:

will mythtv capture from analog, or do i need separate tools for that?

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juski:

duh

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juski:

yes it will

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toad_:

i mean just to save to a file, not from a tv channel

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juski:

no

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juski:

to capture from say a camcorder you need to set up a 'channel' for it

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juski:

mythtv == pvr != vcr

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toad_:

do i have to add schedule for the channel? is it easier to use external tools?

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juski:

the best way to do it would be to manually schedule a recording from your 'svideo' channel, then trim it using mythtv's built in editor

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toad_:

it probably is when you factor in that capture from analog will probably have to be high bitrate and therefore to a dedicated disk?

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GreyFoxx:

PErsonally the few times I did that I just manually did a "cat /dev/video0 > vid.mpg" and CTRL-C'd it at the end of the VHS playback :)

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juski:

you can record in mpeg4 or rtjpeg from framegrabbers

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juski:

with mythtv

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toad_:

so i'd have a permanent channel for analog capture

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toad_:

so it's all handled by mythtv

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toad_:

yay

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toad_:

but if you encode direct to mpeg4 then editing will significantly reduce quality? or is it clever enough to cut the mpeg4 without decoding it except where it absolutely must?

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juski:

that's definitely the case with mpeg2, dunno about mpeg4

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toad_:

the latter is?

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toad_:

cool

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toad_:

i assume you can configure rtjpeg's compression ratio?

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toad_:

"Primary development in MythTV has transitioned to supporting MPEG-2 capture devices and HDTV, so if given the option, go with the hardware MPEG-2 encoder."

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toad_:

i thought you said hardware MPEG encoding wasn't supported?

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toad_:

that's from the HOWTO

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juski:

when the hell did I say hardware mpeg2 encoders weren't supported?

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toad_:

you said hardware mpeg2 isn't supported for analog input

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juski:

I probably said something else

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toad_:

obviously DVB provides an mpeg signal because that's what is broadcast

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juski:

like grabbing to mpeg2 with a framegrabber isn't supported

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toad_:

<juski> you do realise that the analogue capture will only be software encoding? <juski> the Hauppauhe hvr1300 is the only one which'll do hardware mpeg2 on the analogue side AFAIK – and that's not worky in linux yet

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quicksilver:

toad_: I believe he indicated that only a small number of hardware mpeg-encoding analogue cards are supported

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juski:

toad_: no I meant the analogue part of the DVB tuner

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juski:

the one you might be buying

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toad_:

ah

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toad_:

the analog capture bit works, but it produces raw video; the MPEG encoder chip isn't supported

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toad_:

ok so i should have got the 500 dual and a separate analog capture card

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juski:

there's no mpeg2 encoder on the dvb tuner you were thinking about buying AFAIK

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toad_:

ok but mpeg2 software encoding is trivial

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juski:

but mythtv won't do it

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toad_:

huh?

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juski:

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/justin.hornsby2/4by3.png &n dash; coming soon!

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juski:

mythtv will not take input from a framegrabbing PoS & turn it into mpeg2

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toad_:

hmmm

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toad_:

so what will it do?

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juski:

framegrabber to mpeg4 /rtjpeg

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toad_:

http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-3.html goes into great detail about choosing your (software) encoding format

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toad_:

ah ok

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toad_:

both are configurable? i can tell it to save it as 3.5:1 JPEG, or 2Mbps MPEG-4, if I want to?

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juski:

you can certainly configure the living daylights out of em yeah

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toad_:

cool

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toad_:

and for JPEG more quality does not mean more CPU generally

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toad_:

okay, thanks for answering all my stupid questions, i'll be back on tuesday

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juski:

I'll be at work

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DarkDrgn2k:

any one here use DVB and MYTH?

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dev:

wow, sup myth party peoples

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dev:

forgot i still had this client logged in, myth has been running so well the last few months heh

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chairman:

DarkDrgn2k: yes

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DarkDrgn2k:

chairman: ok im having tones of problems trying to get thing to tune

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FlopsyPete:

hi. I'm having troubkle understanding how channels work. I've scanned for them. whe i use the up arrow I can only choose between about 6 of them. I'm in the UK, aren't there supposed to be more?

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DarkDrgn2k:

FlopsyPete: id first try using like xawv to check your tuner

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chairman:

DarkDrgn2k: the thing I did was to find a frequency of a channel and then took a scan

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FlopsyPete:

thanks

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** GreyFoxx ponders a few install of his master backend's distro **

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GreyFoxx:

s/few/fresh

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dev:

bored? :)

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GreyFoxx:

Nah, just deciding if there is any reason to do it

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dev:

you know the old saying.. 'if it aint broke...'

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GreyFoxx:

It's been a few years since I last reinstalled that machine

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Bernardo:

hi GreyFoxx

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GreyFoxx:

yo

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DarkDrgn2k:

ok. when i run a SZAP it tune the channel

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DarkDrgn2k:

but why i try to enter it into MYTH it doesnt scan

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Bernardo:

I finally got the capture of the dsm320rd opening a video using dlink's media server, do you want it?

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DarkDrgn2k:

szap channel:

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DarkDrgn2k:

sat 0, frequency = 12341 MHz V, symbolrate 20000000, vpid = 0x1fff, apid = 0x1ff f sid = 0x03c8

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GreyFoxx:

Bernardo: Yes please

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DarkDrgn2k:

myth i enter: 12341000 sr 20000000 v

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DarkDrgn2k:

everythign default..

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DarkDrgn2k:

in console i see

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DarkDrgn2k:

2006-12–29 10:45:01.214 DVBSignalMonitor(0)::constructor(-1,Warning, can not count Uncorrected Blocks): Operation not supported

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DarkDrgn2k:

2006-12–29 10:45:01.432 DiSEqCDevTree, Error: No root device tree node!

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DarkDrgn2k:

2006-12–29 10:45:01.434 DVBChan(0) Error: Tune(): Failed to setup DiSEqC devices

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Bernardo:

GreyFoxx: http://www.bandos.net/upnpwindows.tar.bz2

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Bernardo:

it's +-5.6MB

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GreyFoxx:

k

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GreyFoxx:

grabbing now

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brad_mssw:

GreyFoxx: does mythmusic list anything in trunk for upnp? 0.20-fixes doesn't appear to ... past that, the latest 0.20-fixes an upnp work pretty darn well for the linkplayer2

[15:47:54]

GreyFoxx:

My my xboxb360 to play an mplayer from my myth upnp share last night

[15:48:12]

GreyFoxx:

err play an mp3 I meant

[15:48:32]

GreyFoxx:

brad_mssw: The "All Music" portion is broken, no idea how long it has been

[15:48:48]

GreyFoxx:

but As far as I can see the "By Album" and others work

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brad_mssw:

GreyFoxx: hmm, I did a 'du -a' on the whole thing, and got nothing :/

[15:49:06]

GreyFoxx:

But part of the changes I'm making to support 360 playback might help other plays

[15:49:08]

brad_mssw:

GreyFoxx: with djmount that is

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brad_mssw:

GreyFoxx: what functions need to be implemented in upnp for FastForward and Rewind support? I may look into throwing some patches together for it since that's probably the most annoying thing left about it (though jumping by percentage does work)

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GreyFoxx:

brad_mssw: For video nothing needs to be, the player requests the exact chunk of the file it wants

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GreyFoxx:

I haven't looked at ffwd/rwd on amp3 though

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Bernardo:

on the DSM320RD, FF/Rev has changed a lot from version 1.01 to 1.03

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brad_mssw:

GreyFoxx: hmm, i need to see what requests the linkplayer2 is sending for FF/RW on video then, since it pretty much just does a 'pause' ... i was just assuming myth was returning 401 not implemented

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GreyFoxx:

brad_mssw: The players I've used all just do a request for bytes xxxx-yyyy for all playback

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Bernardo:

it apparently asks something of the media server, and if it doesn't get the response it wants, it just disables FF/Rev and never asks the server for advance or rewind the file

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GreyFoxx:

and when skipping they do the same, just with other values

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brad_mssw:

yeah, I think it's doing something else ... I'll look into it next week when I'm back from vacation

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GreyFoxx:

Bernardo: Hmmmm if you want to grab a capture of that too I'll take a look

[15:53:57]

Bernardo:

pressing ff/rev only makes a "invalid" show in the unit's lcd

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GreyFoxx:

I've implemented the X_MS__MediaReceiverRegistrar server for players looking for DRM confirmation

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Bernardo:

the problem is that it probably is checking something when it connects to the server, and then just disables FF/Rew

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GreyFoxx:

Bernardo: Start a capture, powr on the player and start a file, then try skipping

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GreyFoxx:

it should get everything needed

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Bernardo:

ok, I'll try that this weekend

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brad_mssw:

... also, any idea if there is a better way than to export transcoded videos as something other than .txt files ... my linkplayer2 doesn't even attempt to play them (though I'm not sure what .nuv really is, if it's anywhere near being in a format the linkplayer2 can handle)

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brad_mssw:

... perhaps changing the container format on the fly would work, not sure how difficult that would be (for upnp)

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GreyFoxx:

brad_mssw: I'd be VERY suprised if the player can play it

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null__:

What key do I need to press in the internal player to jump to the previous/next chapter in a DVD?

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GreyFoxx:

null I think channel up/previous

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null__:

GreyFoxx: so Up/Down, ok...

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FlopsyPete:

all the examples I find for building channels.confdescribe using 'scan' but that program doesn't exist in MythDora. downer.

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GreyFoxx:

Hmmmmm I spy with my little eye.... a possible off by one count

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Bernardo:

?

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brad_mssw:

FlopsyPete: does 'dvbscan' exist?

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GreyFoxx:

Just noticing that in your "working" one the returned contentlength is 16384 and our's is saying 16383

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GreyFoxx:

so either that header isn't being counted properly

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GreyFoxx:

or we are shorting it by 1 byte :)

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FlopsyPete:

brad_mssw: ahh yes, nice, thanks. But now says /dev/dvb/... doesn't exist, this is a PVR150 I've been using to watch TV already, is it using a different device name? is it not DVB-T?

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GreyFoxx:

We do use a different contenttype, but that shouldn't matter

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FlopsyPete:

/dev/video0

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Bernardo:

shouldn't, but we're talking dlink here...

[16:10:22]

GreyFoxx:

Bernardo: What would be IMMENSELY would be a capture from myth and from your dlink media server of you trying to play the exact same file

[16:10:32]

GreyFoxx:

then I could also check the content as well

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GreyFoxx:

This might give me what I need though

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juski:

FlopsyPete: no, the pvr150 is analogue

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juski:

if you want a card to get freeview, you picked the wrong one

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brad_mssw:

FlopsyPete: dvbscan is for digital channels only, pvr150 doesn't do dvb

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FlopsyPete:

juski: I came here to ask people what to get and they recommended the PVR150. I took back a digital card to get this one. damn.

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juski:

heh. a bit late, I just made blootube-wide all christmassy

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GreyFoxx:

Bernardo: I've got some work to do right now but I'll look at this in a bit, might have a small patch tonight or over the weekend for you to try

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juski:

FlopsyPete: who told you to buy a pvr150 for digital tv?

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Bernardo:

GreyFoxx: ok, I'll try.

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GreyFoxx:

If you've compiled myth on your own already, it'll be painless :)(

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juski:

in the UK I'd only recommend a pvr150/pvr500 for folks who want to capture from cable or satellite boxes

[16:13:18]

Bernardo:

I chose a different one with the dlink media server just to add the way they ask for subtitles

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brad_mssw:

FlopsyPete: what are you trying to pull signal off of? OverTheAir(ATSC), QAM(digital cable), or Satellite ?

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juski:

brad_mssw: dvb-t, UK

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FlopsyPete:

when I asked here what was the cheapest worthwhile card to get, as the saa7133 I had wasnt working, they said it was all about the 150

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GreyFoxx:

Bernardo: all cool

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Bernardo:

I'm building mythtv from svn. so there should be no problem

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GreyFoxx:

sweet

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FlopsyPete:

brad_mssw: a regular old aerial on the oof

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FlopsyPete:

(roof)

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juski:

FlopsyPete: maybe if you'd said you wanted dvb-t or Freeview the information might've been better targeted ;)

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brad_mssw:

ah, not sure of uk standards

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FlopsyPete:

juski: I'm new to this, I said I wanted to use MythTV. why would I buy an analog card in 2006? whatever, I'l take it back again.

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Bernardo:

all the 1st of january and until early morning the 2nd I'll be outside a school trying to register my daughter, so I'll maybe only have new data for you wednesday or thursday

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juski:

brad_mssw: in the UK we get (almost) dvd quality mpeg2 sdtv over the air – for free :)

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GreyFoxx:

Bernardo: Np

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GreyFoxx:

Hmmm interesting

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GreyFoxx:

we also use a different return code

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FlopsyPete:

so, which Hauppage card will 'just work' for digital TV / Freeview?

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GreyFoxx:

I never looked for that on the other captures I have... I'll test that here

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juski:

FlopsyPete: a nova-t

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FlopsyPete:

juski: will this work?: Hauppauge WinTV-NOVA-S-Plus'

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FlopsyPete:

the nova-t are out of stock

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FlopsyPete:

Is there a down side to getting a USB nova-t compared with a PCI one?

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juski:

nova-s is for satellite

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juski:

the downside to usb stuff is that their chipsets have gone through changes a lot, so they may not work. of course they _might_ but you dunno

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Tronic:

So buy from somewhere where they allow return for refund.

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juski:

the big upside is that the USB stuff is cheaper than pci cards

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FlopsyPete:

I'm buying from somewhere thats great for taking back to. I'll wait on the nova-t. thanks

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null__:

What would I do if I have some sort of noise on my picture that is recorded from a PVR-500?

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DarkDrgn2k:

null__: chgeck your cables

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DarkDrgn2k:

?

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null__:

well I think those cables are ok, as the TV attached to the same cable is displaying a much better picture

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DarkDrgn2k:

null__: tv MIGHT have a better tuner

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trester:

hello i need some direction

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trester:

in my life

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trester:

is this the right channel?

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trester:

uh anyway can i use digital encrypted cable with mythtv?

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GreyFoxx:

sure if you use a settop box and have myth record it's output :)

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trester:

if I connect video out from my cable box into my pc or something lke that

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DarkDrgn2k:

trester: yep then u need an ir blaster or somethign to change the channels

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trester:

GreyFoxx but i wouldn't get the rest of the features then right

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DarkDrgn2k:

trester: what featurs?

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trester:

recording schedules

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DarkDrgn2k:

trester: u need an irblaster or something but sure

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DarkDrgn2k:

trester: i did that with my satalite box :)

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GreyFoxx:

trester: You would get them through whatever means myth users in your area get them

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trester:

DarkDrgn2k would myth tv be able to switch my cab;e channels?

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DarkDrgn2k:

trester: if u have an ir blaster? yes

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DarkDrgn2k:

trester: oh yeh and the ir blaster you have has to support the box.... (some have firmware)

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trester:

let me just google irblaster real quick

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DarkDrgn2k:

trester: i have a PVR150 comes with an IR blaster.. tape irblaster to the box.. configure myth to change channesl via irblaster.. and boom

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Dr_willis:

Heh – i had the irblastr wire taped to the pc.. and the Other ir reciever cable behind the pc on my 150 card.. i dident relize i had them reversed...

[16:39:20]

Dr_willis:

then i noticed the remote would work only at some angles.

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Dr_willis:

:)

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fryfrog:

trester: another hope is that your cable box has a firewire port?

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trester:

fryfrog i didn't get the box yet its coming tomorrow

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DarkDrgn2k:

fryfrog": yeh that would workl better..

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DarkDrgn2k:

fryfrog": bu ti never used that soo

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Dr_willis:

Yea- if i ever ypgrade my cable.. i will defainatly check for the firewire ports beforhand.

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trester:

i'm getting ooptimum io digital

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trester:

anyone has that crap?

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chairman:

I have some channels that are sending 4 audio tracks but they are sending two and two together. So in the left speaker they are sending one language and in the right speaker they are sending another. Is there anyway I can mute left or right?

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Dr_willis:

heh – thats neat chairman

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trester:

chairman thats a feature not a bug!

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chairman:

Dr_willis: it sucks

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Dr_willis:

could run alsamixer from a shell. (or ssh into the box)

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DarkDrgn2k:

whats min hardware to get a budget DVB working

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Dr_willis:

these are tv channels doing this?

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fryfrog:

trester: I have a pair of DCT6412 from Comcast that have firewire

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chairman:

trester: I haven't said that it is a bug

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chairman:

trester: Canal Digital is trying spend less money on bandwidth or something

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trester:

ah

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trester:

ok so if i want to get hdtv from my cable box i owuld need a hdtv tuner card?

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chairman:

trester: in their own set-top boxes they are fixing this

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chairman:

so I want to fix it in myth so I don't need to hear two languages at the same time (it's a bit annoying)

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trester:

chairman you can always send mono to both sides

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chairman:

trester: yes, but how?

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trester:

chairman how do you have the audio connected

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trester:

chairman with an L and R going from your box?

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chairman:

yes

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chairman:

but the thing is that on some channels I want to have Stereo

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fryfrog:

trester: your only chance of getting HD from a cable box is with firewire. you *might* be able to get a few unencrypted HD channels with an HD tuner card, but it wouldn't be hooked to the cable box

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trester:

fryfrog thats what i was afraid of :(

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DarkDrgn2k:

trester: not worth going dvb-c ... use the box

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trester:

DarkDrgn2k but i want to record and pause tv and stuff

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DarkDrgn2k:

trester: the

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fryfrog:

trester: my setup has two firewire STBs getting like 400 channels and two HD air2pc cards getting like 5 channels

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DarkDrgn2k:

1) buy expesnive cable box

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DarkDrgn2k:

2) connect to a Myth box via a PVR150 or something

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DarkDrgn2k:

2) use firewire

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DarkDrgn2k:

there ar your 3 choices

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DarkDrgn2k:

my setup has a digiwave 103g getting therotically 400 channels

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DarkDrgn2k:

i say theoratically cause i CNAT TUNE

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trester:

ok i pick choice 2

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DarkDrgn2k:

trester: works for me

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trester:

which input on the PVR is for digital signal

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DarkDrgn2k:

trester: who said anythigna bout digital :)

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DarkDrgn2k:

trester: connect it via S-Video

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trester:

but thats a bad thing

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DarkDrgn2k:

trester:yes.. yes it is.. thats why they like FIREWIRE so much

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DarkDrgn2k:

but that all we got

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DarkDrgn2k:

unless you can somehow (un sopported and probably undoable) get around the encryption some how...

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trester:

boo

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DarkDrgn2k:

but thats all theoretically and i dont even think it could be done

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trester:

DarkDrgn2k sorry i'm trying to understand this

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DarkDrgn2k:

trester: msg me i fu want

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trester:

but wouldn't that make the whole hdtv thing useless

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DarkDrgn2k:

trester: msg me i fu want

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trester:

whats wrong with talking in this channel?

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DarkDrgn2k:

ok fine.. let me break it down for you

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trester:

hehe

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DarkDrgn2k:

the ONLY way to get pay cable service digitally is trhough your box

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DarkDrgn2k:

a box MUST be connected to the computer to access those channels via a computer

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DarkDrgn2k:

PVR150 is one way but you WONT get HDTV its an ANALOG tuner... works great but analog

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DarkDrgn2k:

FIREWIRE is digitaill; and therefore you CAN get hdtv on it... butr your box must sopport it

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DarkDrgn2k:

IF you want to be able to record shows you can use the PVR150.. if you WANT to watch live hdtv you can always swichd to the box again

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trester:

are there cards with ypbr inputs?

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DarkDrgn2k:

trester: dont think so.. but then again i dont know much about tha stuff..

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juski:

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/justin.hornsby2/4by3_2.png – coming soon!

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jduggan:

hi juski, bought a new freeview stb... everything works perfect :), musta been a dodgy tuner in the old box

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trester:

juski what is that

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jduggan:

looks like blootube 4:3 maybe?

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juski:

a non-wide version of blootube-wide I'm working on

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jduggan:

nod

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jduggan:

looks sweet

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** seth|laptop uses bloo-tube on a 4:3 set **

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jduggan:

hmm, i use a 4:3 resolution on a widescreen set and i gotta use the tv remote to stretch it to 16:9.. whats the best version of blootube to use?

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juski:

blootube-wide

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jduggan:

the TV doesnt do native widescreen on its vga input :(

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seth|laptop:

i think blootube was designed for widescreen by default, I am just lucky

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jduggan:

only 1024*768.. the manuals say it does 1280*1024, but i cant get that to work, it always reverts back to 1024*768

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juski:

yeah well get this. I will _never_ EVER use the 4:3 blootube

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jduggan:

heh

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jduggan:

the 16:9 seems to look ok on my machine

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** seth|laptop wants a 16:9 set, has to wait for the 4:3 to explode **

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juski:

looks fine on mine too

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juski:

seth|laptop: get a wii & wear the lanyard out :-P

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Ribs:

seth|laptop: coffee is the answer

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Ribs:

ie. pour it into the set :>

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seth|laptop:

hmm, but it has to look like an accident

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seth|laptop:

could trip over something on the way to the kitchen

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juski:

open it up & snap some components from the low voltage board

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juski:

o/

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juski:

or plug it into 240V mains by 'mistake'

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seth|laptop:

well mine is built into the wall, I could go back there and say I am running new wires, it has a passage behind it all, and accidently spill my beer down the back of it

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chairman:

bought myself a new TV machine yesterday and I just found a HD channel and I think I have to buy a faster computer :(

[17:05:42]

chairman:

hehe

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juski:

just fyi, I don't take much stuff back to shops out of spite

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BULLE:

juski: i plug my tv into 240V mains all the time, no problems!

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BULLE:

chairman: what cpu you got ? and what type of hd stream is it ?

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pyrotech:

if I get digital cable with hd, what kind of capture cards do I need to record that? can I record it straight from the cable wire or do I need something else?

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juski:

pyrotech: depends on whether or not un-encrippled QAM is available

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DarkDrgn2k:

pyrotech: if its pay service and encryupted.. you cant do it.. unless oyu h ave FIREWIRE

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DarkDrgn2k:

pyrotech: no matter what route u go u need a cable box

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null__:

Anyone having an idea why the button is placed on the wrong place? http://kladde.org/~guedel/mv_error.png

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BULLE:

DarkDrgn2k: uhm, depends a bit on what system they are using doesnt it ?

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seth|laptop:

pheh! cable

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pyrotech:

so if I get the cable box, what does the cable wire coming out of the cable box spit out?

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chairman:

bulle: core2duo 2,13 GHz. I just tried to tune on Canal+ HD

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BULLE:

DarkDrgn2k: i have pay-service with encrypted channels, and i can dump it directly to disk

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DarkDrgn2k:

BULLE: file il just shut up and stay out of it :-P

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chairman:

bulle: I don't have a HD TV

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DarkDrgn2k:

i got enough problems with my dvb-s

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Dr_willis:

gee make me feel like i am in the dark ages with my normal cable connection...

[17:09:27]

Dr_willis:

:)

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chairman:

bulle: was just testing if it would work

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BULLE:

chairman: i dunno about linux, but i know for a fact that with nvidias windows drivers, any core2duo is enough to watch hd-dvd or blueray media

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chairman:

bulle: okay

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chairman:

bulle: I'm watching from DVB-s

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BULLE:

chairman: mind, that is with nvidias windows drivers, that make use of the nvidia 7000 series video acceleration

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pyrotech:

so how do I get the hd content from the digital cable box? is it as simple as plugging the output wire of the cable box into a capture card?

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BULLE:

pyrotech: totaly depends on what cable system you are using

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chairman:

hehe

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BULLE:

it can be pretty easy, to impossible

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chairman:

bulle: I just have a cheap geforce 6200 card

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pyrotech:

so whats an example of easy?

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GreyFoxx:

pyrotech: The onl way you are going to record HD out of the settop box is via firewire

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BULLE:

chairman: doesnt matter, as i the video acceleration isnt used in linux

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GreyFoxx:

Svideo/rca outputs are standard definition scaled down by the box

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seth|laptop:

comcrap in hershey PA, you can get the locals, discovery and the remainder, (other than HBO and the pay lot) with just a capture card, like the air2pc >=rev. 3

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BULLE:

chairman: still, what is canal+ hd using, 1920x1080i or 1280x720p ? and what type of format, mpeg4 ?

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chairman:

bulle: i'm not sure

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BULLE:

atleast here in scandinavia, via satelite, canal+ only use mpeg4 for their hd broadcasts

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pyrotech:

seth: what kind of card would I need to grab that content?

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pyrotech:

nm

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pyrotech:

so if the cable box has firewire, I can run that straight to my pc and record it?

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GreyFoxx:

assuming they haven't intentionally disabled it you normally can

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GreyFoxx:

basically, with recordingHD that comes in over cable there are no guarantees since it's all up to the cable company

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pyrotech:

bastards.

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GreyFoxx:

many people use firewire to record

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GreyFoxx:

you just wont know until you try

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chairman:

bulle: i'm not sure about the resolution but it is in mpeg 2

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pyrotech:

what if the cable box has composite outputs? do any hd capture cards run that?

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GreyFoxx:

No commercial cards Iv'e ever seen

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GreyFoxx:

all HD capture cards are just DVB cards basically that get ATSC or QAM signals

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pyrotech:

ahh i see, someone should make that

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GreyFoxx:

it would be expensive :)

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DarkDrgn2k:

pyrotech: actualy i think that the cable companys should make a pass through system that spits out the unencrypted DVB system after decrypting it based on your service...

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GreyFoxx:

You would require onboard compression capable of compressing HD signals in really time

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Dr_willis:

recording HD – would really suck up the hd space fast wouldent it?

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pyrotech:

so if the digital cable box doesnt output firewire, and theres no OTA where I live, then I am pretty much screwed for getting HD?

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DarkDrgn2k:

pyrotech: oo ye

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GreyFoxx:

Dr_willis: I think most people average 9G per hour

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DarkDrgn2k:

pyrotech: DVB-S but i donno if thres anythign HD free yet.. although they do have HD fta boxes out there now...

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GreyFoxx:

pyrotech: Unless you are lucky enough that they broadcast it unencrypted over the wire

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pyrotech:

I doubt it, they are cheap

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DarkDrgn2k:

pyrotech: if they are cheap.. then they will definaly encrypt

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pyrotech:

does anyone have insight cable?

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russK:

Yay, my backend is working again :-)

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Juski:

/msg NickServ IDENTIFY nesoosha

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Juski:

oh fuck

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Juski:

fucking fuck

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jduggan_:

haha

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** jduggan_ ghosts you **

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jduggan_:

:/

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stevenh:

i am so glad that i am not the only one that has done that.

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GreyFoxx:

heh

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GreyFoxx:

I generally open a /query to nickserv or chanserv to avoid just that :)

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BULLE:

/msg NickServ IDENTIFY juski_is_my_idol

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trester:

i feel like i'm wading through a marsh

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pyrotech:

does anyone have a recommendation on a good firewire card to use for capture?

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GreyFoxx:

No oboard firewire ?

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pyrotech:

nope.

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Beirdo:

oh, that reminds me

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Beirdo:

I should capture some video from the camcorder one of these days

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juski:

I don't care what the hell I was doing.. ubuntu should not have just hung like that

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juski:

very unprofessional

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juski:

gentoo never did that

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trester:

gentoo is crappy too

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trester:

ok guys i think i figured it out

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Blaksmith:

hi.. I'm getting this error when trying to play live tv on another box

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Blaksmith:

2006-12–29 09:44:31.654 MainServer::HandleVersion – Client speaks protocol version 15 but we speak 30!

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Blaksmith:

any way around that?

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Beirdo:

juski, if you figure it out, let me know. My laptop hangs hard sometimes, might be the same problem

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trester:

i have to rebroadcast the digital signal i get from my cable box OTA and then capture it with the OTA card in my PC

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juski:

trester: I have some news for you

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trester:

?

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juski:

you can't rebroadcast the signal from the cable box, digitally

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trester:

please let it be that i'm a genius

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trester:

damn

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trester:

juski why not?

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Beirdo:

not without very very expensive broadcasting equipment

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juski:

it's a teeny weeny bit more complicated than hooking up an RF modulator

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trester:

why can't a use an fm transmitter

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GreyFoxx:

Blaksmith: Update the client: to the same version as the server

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juski:

ATSC signals are majorly complex

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juski:

so are QAM signals

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Blaksmith:

I just grabbed the latest mythtvplayer from the site

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[Jasper]:

congrats

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Blaksmith:

and that's the error it gives me

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juski:

trester: you can't use an FM transmitter to do that for the same reason you can't scale glass with bare hands. they're not designed for the job ;)

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GreyFoxx:

Blaksmith: oh, so you aren't actually use mythtv as the client then

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Blaksmith:

mythfrontend / mythtv etc.. all work perfectly fine on the same box as backend

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Blaksmith:

I want to try and get my win box to view live. it can watch recorded just fine

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GreyFoxx:

good luck wiht that :)

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juski:

totally

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juski:

or when you've coded it all up, put it out into the public domain there's a good chap

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GreyFoxx:

winmyth is flaky and painfully out of date, there is an app called "totem" I think that can play recordings, and another player someone was working on that worked with 0.20 but I don;t know if it did livetv or just recordings

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juski:

tapeworm only does recordings IIRC

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GreyFoxx:

ok, tapeworm is what I meant, not totem

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juski:

get with the program & stop sucking on the teat of livetv anyway

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Blaksmith:

ya, winmyth won't do anything except crash with that same error... at least mythtvplayer watches recorded stuff

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Paladine:

got my 32" LCD HDTV today :)

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juski:

sudo cp /media/themework/blootube/programguide/pg-background.png programguide/. -v

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juski:

bum

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GreyFoxx:

bad day ?:)

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juski:

head full of xml

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GreyFoxx:

hehe me too with the upnp stuff :)

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juski:

blootube will be released early in the new year :)

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GreyFoxx:

cool :)

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juski:

as opposed to blootube-wide, which is already out there

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juski:

also coming up is blootube-lite-wide

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GreyFoxx:

hopefully by then I'll release my xbox360 patches heh

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juski:

'lite' as in lighter on your ram ;)

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GreyFoxx:

lite? Smaller backgrounds ?

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GreyFoxx:

err watermarks

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juski:

same size as http://homepage.ntlworld.com/justin.hornsby2/4by3.png

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GreyFoxx:

ahhhhhh

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GreyFoxx:

nice

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juski:

I think I must've done more themes than any one person by now, or at least will have by the time these other 2 are out

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netrix:

where is the option in myth that allows you set the buffer directory? I want to put my watching tv buffer on another drive and for the life of me can't find the option.

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netrix:

version is .20

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juski:

there's no 'buffer' dir anymore

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** juski breaks for tea **

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netrix:

juski: well that would explain it.

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netrix:

where did it go?

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netrix:

or why?

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juski:

the livetv rework

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netrix:

does it go in the same directory as the recordings directory?

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Rince:

rere

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netrix:

juski: thanks for the info. thought i was losing my mind when i couldn't find it. :)

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pyrotech:

does anyone have a motorola 6416 hdtv cable box?

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GreyFoxx:

net: And to make it more confusing in latest SVN with the addition of storage groups you can create a storage group and have all LiveTV go to it

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GreyFoxx:

hehe

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null__:

Anyone having an idea why the button is placed on the wrong place? http://kladde.org/~guedel/mv_error.png

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juski:

looks like a scaling issue

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null__:

that could be caused by?

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juski:

it's not only in the wrong place, it's the wrong size

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juski:

it's a bug in the Internal DVD player I think

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null__:

juski: is it fixed in -fixed?

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GreyFoxx:

It is a scaling issue, can't remember if I saw a fix for it go by

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null__:

hm ok

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clop:

hey, i just got a wireless keyboard and mouse for xmas, is there a way to hook them up to Screen 1 on x-windows so that they control the mythtv box, while my regular keyboard/mouse are hooked up to Screen 0?

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xris:

clop: I think with X, the keyboard input follows the mouse cursor. might be possible to do what you want, though, given how powerful X is.

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Dagmar:

clop: Actually with the new /dev/input stuff and X's usual configurability, yes you *can* do that

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Dagmar:

...but you're going to need to read about ten pounds of documentation to figure it out

[18:56:03]

Dagmar:

I really, really suggest looking into the ubuntu project that made four-headed workstations out of single machines for impoverished people to use

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Dagmar:

Four keyboards, four mice, and four displays on one machine.

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clop:

Dagmar, oh i expected to have to read lots of documentation :)

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Dagmar:

It's good for you

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juski:

good for us too

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Dagmar:

There's downright crazy things you can do with X once you learn how it works

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juski:

for other people to RTFM I mean ;)

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clop:

Do you know what I might search for to find that ubuntu thing?

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Dagmar:

clop: Not really, I can take a quick crack at it tho

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clop:

i found one that talks about 6 users

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juski:

I had a go on a multi-headed system like that at the LW expo in october. 20 users running off 2 machines or something daft

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Dagmar:

Holy fuck I love Google

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Dagmar:

http://cambuca.ldhs.cetuc.puc-rio.br/multiuser/

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Dagmar:

That's freaking funny. I didnt' even know for sure what words to Google fotr

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Dagmar:

Two people using one machihne, no thin clients

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Dagmar:

juski: Surely you didn't have 20 video outputs on one machine

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juski:

Dagmar: there were 2 machines & 20 heads

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juski:

Hydra, I think they called it

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Dagmar:

juski: BAh xdmcp is each

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juski:

apt name ;)

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Dagmar:

s/each/easy/;

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clop:

hrmn, i wonder if there's a way to do it with a single video card with two outputs

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Dagmar:

What that guy outlines doesn't really forbid that

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Dagmar:

If you have USB devices only it's easier than ever

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clop:

yes all the devices are usb

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Dagmar:

Oh then look into getting X to read the keyboard from /dev/input/*something*

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slowone:

clop you can treat each output as a seperate device in x anyway...

[19:02:32]

Dagmar:

...and you can use udev to pin the things to single enumeration

[19:02:44]

Dagmar:

er single enumeration order

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clop:

i see, yeah this doesn't look too bad

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slowone:

ati and nvidia have ways to treat dual monitors on a single card as a single monitor and pass that off to X, or you can have X handle each head on its own..

[19:03:01]

Dagmar:

it's actually easier than since the first people made that four headad machine

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slowone:

ati/nvidia in there propritatry dirvers*

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Dagmar:

Yay hal and udev

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Dagmar:

slowone: In this case it would be way easier to have one instance of X understand there's two displays

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slowone:

yes

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GreyFoxx:

clop: I use to do it

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slowone:

hince the part i said, you can have x handle each head on its own

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GreyFoxx:

my Svideoout to the TV with one control/X session

[19:04:24]

GreyFoxx:

and my VGA into my monitor with another X Session

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GreyFoxx:

So it's possible

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slowone:

<- much prefers haveing X handle both heads on my work computer then the propritary nvidia driver handleing it...

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Dagmar:

I still want Myth to get a little more flexible on that

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Dagmar:

I'm still hoping to put like a 5-inch LCD on the front of my myth box to show the channel number and so forth on

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xris:

"i" doesn't work enough for you?

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Dagmar:

No, I mean like, all the time

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Dagmar:

...and basically something to doodle on with external programs. ;)

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GreyFoxx:

I want an LCD+play control buttons that fit in a5 1/2 slot

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xris:

heh

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clop:

allrighty, i plugged in the new keyboard and x is taking inputs from both :)

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slowone:

GreyFoxx: http://www.matrixorbital.com/index.php?cName= . . . 2932e0f5679f

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clop:

hrmn, i see /dev/input/mouse[0,1] which makes sense for two mice, but i have event[0..4] for only two keyboards... is that bad?

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clop:

oh i see, /proc/bus/input/devices shows me what they are bound to

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Tuju:

hi, i have minimyth on via epia 1k M

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Tuju:

can i get composite video from it's onboard RCA jack?

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Tuju:

to projector

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Tuju:

now if i start tv playback, nothing comes from RGB D15 nor composite RC jack

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juski:

Tuju: yeah, but you'd be better off using VGA if you can

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Tuju:

ack, good to hear

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Tuju:

yep, I noticed that composite gives pretty blurry image

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Tuju:

now when I switch to the playback, it gives just blue screen

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juski:

weird

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juski:

post your minimyth.conf file & I'll take a look at it. use www.pastebin.ca

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Tuju:

I'll do, a moment

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Tuju:

http://pastebin.ca/295798

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Tuju:

mmm, perhaps I should change line 21 to something else than PAL

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Tuju:

and 20 to something else than composite

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juski:

is that all of it?

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Tuju:

but those give nothing even I had cables in that.

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Tuju:

yes, that's all.

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Tuju:

I think backbone at server is sending the video as network traffic increases when I start playback

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juski:

never seen any issues like that when I used minimyth on my Epia M-10000 board

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Tuju:

should i have more settings there?

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Tuju:

mmmm

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juski:

are you using the NFS version?

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Tuju:

I just downloaded latest stable minimyth

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Tuju:

nope, ram version.

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juski:

minimyth.conf is usually WAY bigger than that

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Tuju:

ram-minimyth-0.20–20/

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juski:

but it's been a while since I played with it

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Tuju:

ah, any examples where I could find missing pieces?

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juski:

wouldn't be surprised if Pablo has rearranged everything AGAIN

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stevenh:

juski: what do you use for your Epia board now?

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Tuju:

I recall incrementing those lines one by one after it stopped complaining.

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juski:

I use ubuntu now

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juski:

minimyth wouldn't play back a lot of recordings without prebuffering pauses

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Tuju:

Is Pablo the guy who assembles the minimyth?

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juski:

I still get the pauses but they're almost not noticable, as opposed to with minimyth

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juski:

yeah

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Tuju:

ack

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sanmarcos-trabaj:

anybody with an ivtv card willing to give me a hand in testing something?

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Tuju:

mmm, I really would like this to get this working, I get guests tomorrow and don't have a tv :)

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robbins876:

juski: I think I asked you before but I'll ask again... I have the EPIA board running myth... everything software side is good, but i can't get it to fill my standard def TV correctly... any tips?

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juski:

Tuju: did you make the minimyth.conf file from nothing? I think the general idea is to copy the example one and edit it to suit you

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Tuju:

we're having a newyear party and minimyth would certainly give background noice from music channel.

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Tuju:

juski, I did it from scratch.

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juski:

robbins876: http://homepage.ntlworld.com/justin.hornsby2/livingroomxorg.conf

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juski:

Tuju: there's supposed to be more to it than that I'm sure. copy the example file & edit it

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juski:

maybe you need more video RAM set aside in the BIOS settings

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juski:

mine is set to 64M

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Tuju:

this one? http://linpvr.org/minimyth/conf/minimyth.conf

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juski:

Tuju: does your backend use framegrabber cards?

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juski:

Tuju: yeah

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Tuju:

juski, I've got ivtv dual card at backend server

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juski:

I could never get minimyth to play transcoded recordings

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juski:

right

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Tuju:

MDC500 or something

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Tuju:

it's working just fine with vlc

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juski:

what's the video decoding method set to in mythfrontend > utils/setup > setup > tv settings > playback ?

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Tuju:

juski are you asking me?

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juski:

Tuju: yes

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Tuju:

a moment, I'll check

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juski:

Tuju: and how did you get vlc into minimyth? I thought it only came with xine

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robbins876:

juski: I had it set to 720x480Noscale because I have an NTSC TV, is the 720x576Noscale for PAL?

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Tuju:

I had it separately running when I'm not using mythtv backend

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juski:

robbins876: you might need 720x480Over then

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Tuju:

juski I have self packaged vlc client working as server in centos4

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robbins876:

I'll Go give that a shot

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DVBMark:

juski: does increasing the vid mem in bios help with myth on output? used to never really matter on things, never thought of that?

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juski:

ah

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juski:

DVBMark: more ram you give it, the better, I guess

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juski:

up to a point

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DVBMark:

always thought it was automatic really heh, hmm might mess with that

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DVBMark:

just got my 5750's in, hmm should I replace my 6200 and see if it is better heh..

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Dagmar:

We're not mapping trillions of polygons here

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Tuju:

actually – I have 'Preferred MPEG2 Decoder: VIA XvMc' in settings

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Dagmar:

32–64Mb should be more than enough RAM for the video card.

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juski:

Tuju: hmmm that's ok

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Tuju:

I do have some H+ cards which I could hook in if that helps

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juski:

H+ ?

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Dagmar:

Now maybe if we were prebuffering 10 full seconds of video flipping into the card it could use 128Mb

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DVBMark:

I understand that Dagmar, so you aren't thinking it would help at all then

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sanmarcos-trabaj:

anybody with an ivtv card willing to give me a hand in testing something? last time

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juski:

sanmarcos-trabaj: just ask your question & be direct

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Dagmar:

I'm thinking any figure beyond 5–6 time what's needed for one screen at the resolution you run is probably enough

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juski:

before you storm off in the huff

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Tuju:

hollywood plus MPEG2 hw decoding card

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Dagmar:

Myth isn't like, hiding lots of desktop space behind other apps or anything like that

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juski:

Tuju: it won't work

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Tuju:

ack

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DVBMark:

understand

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Dagmar:

It takes about 2.4Mb to handle a 1024x768x32bpp screen.

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Dagmar:

...with no overlay or anything in it.

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null__:

Does someone have an idea how to debug a crash when entering the EPG? The machine locks up hard, so I can't get any logs...

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Dagmar:

Multiply that by about as much coverage as you need for multiple displays

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DVBMark:

which the video card would have on it already

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Dagmar:

Videogames can use 128Mb of video ram because they're literally dumping multiple dozens of textures into the card to paint onto polygons

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Tuju:

another thing is that my font is too big in many menus

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Tuju:

I'm not sure is the used theme causing it

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Dagmar:

MythTV does't really ask that much of the video RAM

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juski:

well, I found mythtv worked better when I increased the amount of RAM to 64M from 32MB

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DVBMark:

so since we are on video card stuff heh, at the exact moment I seem to be performing better without XvMC on HDTV on a NVIDIA 6200. If I enable XvMC I save some cpu, but the osd is the black and white due to the vid chip, does anyone recommend I go ahead and replace it with an NVIDIA 5750 so that I can get that color osd back, just looking for the best picture.

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Tuju:

I'll try to add those options into conf file

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Dagmar:

Good luck finding an nVidia card that has less than 64Mb on it

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DVBMark:

ya Dagmar, my 6200 has 256mb heh the 5750's I got are 128, but again like you said shouldn't touch it

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DVBMark:

Juski, what vid card u using

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Dagmar:

Anyway, the point is that assigning it more than 64Mb or so is probably going to be a waste

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juski:

I'm not

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juski:

it's a shitty via unichrome thing built onto the board

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DVBMark:

ic

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juski:

and MAN are they shitty

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sanmarcos-trabaj:

ok, can anybody try this script with http://www.jardinpresente.com.ar/svn/utiles/t . . . v-channel.py lirc and a video player, and see if you can turn to channel 60 (or any channel ending in 0)

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DVBMark:

heh ya heard horror stories on unichrome lol

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juski:

sanmarcos-trabaj: what are you hoping to achieve ?

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sanmarcos-trabaj:

juski, testing (I am at work, and I cant test it from here, and I need to confirm if a bug was fixed)

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sanmarcos-trabaj:

is the nvidia 6200 bad?

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Dagmar:

sanmarcos-trabaj: Not unless you'er going to try to play FPS games with it

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Dagmar:

It's one of the slowest of the 6200-series, but beyond that most of the 6xxx models are fine

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Tuju:

mmm, now for some reason RGB and composite outputs are both active, on bootup.

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Dagmar:

nathe: Well, I'm full of bread and peanut butter right now

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sanmarcos-trabaj:

Dagmar, cs source is slow yeah

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juski:

woohoo now there's only video-ui.xml and music-ui.xml to do :)

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juski:

hem.. 'only'.. lol

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DVBMark:

Dagmar, if you had a choice between 5750 or 6200 what would you recommend

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Dagmar:

Probably whichever is cheaper, after making sure it's not one of the gimped NV41's

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Dagmar:

Not *all* of the lower-end 6xxx cards have video overlay support

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sanmarcos-trabaj:

how can I check the chip on my 6200?

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psofa:

anyone knows of a tool for colour calibration? just something which shows the scales of black red green blue

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Dagmar:

...which makes their XvMC support kinda thin

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Tuju:

mmmm, when X starts, it only comes from composite then.

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Dagmar:

sanmarcos-trabaj: Through lots of websearching, or by looking at the output of xdpyinfo

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sanmarcos-trabaj:

psofa, nvidia has one

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sanmarcos-trabaj:

Dagmar, |grep -i overlay ?.

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Dagmar:

sanmarcos-trabaj: The rule is that if you can't tell anything is wrong, then don't bother people with it

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Dagmar:

;)

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psofa:

sanmarcos-trabaj, yes i can configure the gains etc but i cant see a nice grayscale image to do the calibration

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DVBMark:

my 6200 was an NV41, thought those weren't good for hardware overlay, the 5750 I have is an NV36, I thought I had read they did better?

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Dagmar:

DVBMark: Some of them have it, some of them don't... It's VERY annoying like that

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psofa:

btw i think the 7200 has a pos video out compared to the 5200 i had

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DVBMark:

ahh

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Dagmar:

I was kinda pissed to find that out

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DVBMark:

cool the info I had read pretty much said all 6xxx series and up had the NV41 and such, that you had to go with a 5xxx series

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DVBMark:

so the NV36 is def better to use then

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Tuju:

2006-12–29 21:47:20.137 Can't enable VBI recording

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Tuju:

eno: Invalid argument (22)

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Dagmar:

I wouldn't say "better"

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psofa:

Tuju, do you need teletext?

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Dagmar:

It's definitely *sufficient*

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Tuju:

psofa, nope.

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DVBMark:

I have a lot of the 5200 AGP's heh but you can't find a 64bit AGP board very easy these days heh so had to go pci-e

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psofa:

i think vbi is for teletext so its no prob

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Dagmar:

We're kinda going overkill on the video card end of things once you go beyond a 5200

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Tuju:

I'd would be very happy to see video :)

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Tuju:

psofa, ack.

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sanmarcos-trabaj:

so the 6200 is not a good choice for myth?

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psofa:

Tuju, ah theres an option to tell it not to record vbi

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psofa:

but i dont remember where it is

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Dagmar:

DVBMark: Hah. You would be jealous of what I just got back then

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sanmarcos-trabaj:

i once tried tv out, but the fonts looked like shit (blurry) ,could not fixed it at all, but OSD was fine

[19:54:41]

psofa:

i think its in mythtv-setup

[19:54:49]

Tuju:

mmm, I'll check if I can find it

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sanmarcos-trabaj:

it was probably my TV I assume, however, when I did a s

[19:54:50]

DVBMark:

Dagmar I understand that you don't need much for Myth, I am just saying that to use XvMC or anything that the NV36 series of chips I thought were better for support heh

[19:54:58]

sanmarcos-trabaj:

a split screen with a GTK window, fonts looked great

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DVBMark:

whut u get Dagmar?

[19:55:12]

Dagmar:

DVBMark: About nine machines-worth of stuff that have been in a storage facility in California since about 2001. Lots and lots of AGP

[19:55:21]

DVBMark:

lmao

[19:55:23]

DVBMark:

nice

[19:55:40]

Dagmar:

I'm turning my old phearkitty machine into a frontend. 900Mhz Athlon T-bird

[19:55:47]

DVBMark:

I got a lot of old systems, and prob will make frontends out of them or most likely slave backends when I get around to that heh

[19:55:54]

DVBMark:

I have one of those lol

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Dagmar:

...and just to thumb my nose at people I'm doing it with a 54g wireless card

[19:56:02]

DVBMark:

noisy little turd

[19:56:13]

Dagmar:

Yea, I got the extra crazy fan on mine

[19:56:18]

DVBMark:

heh

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DVBMark:

they were hot little buggars

[19:56:36]

Dagmar:

I was building it to make sure I wouldn't smash my computer out of irritation while recovering from some serious knee surgery so I way overshot

[19:56:56]

Dagmar:

I got a 600W power supply, and put one of those Golden Orb coolers on it that were designed after oil coolers for tanks

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Dagmar:

55CFM

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DVBMark:

luckily I have a server closet and all my noisy systems are in there just my game system is the only one exposed heh

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Dagmar:

*click*WHOOOSH*

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Dagmar:

The beast of the collection I'm thiknign about heating coffee with

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Dagmar:

450Mhz K6–2

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Dagmar:

"Der Heatenschtienen"

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Dagmar:

One hundred sixty five degrees and the damn thing is DINE

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Dagmar:

s/DINE/FINE/l

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null__:

Dagmar: I have an Nvidia GF6800 Ultra.. passivly cooled.. on this you actually _can_ heat coffee :D

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Dagmar:

null__: Yeah I'm watching my temps spike pretty seriously on my 6600GT when I fire up 2142 Battlefield and such

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Dagmar:

The only way I got that 450Mhg K6–2 to get down to 145F and stay there was by being very brutal and wedging a peltier cooler in between it and a 40CFM heatsink/fan

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Dagmar:

Most chips now let you know when you hit 160F by simply freaking out and well, all you have to do is hit DEL to get into the BIOS shortly afterwards. ;)

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defend:

lol

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defend:

i under clock my old comps that run hot

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defend:

since they dont do a hole heck of alot

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Tuju:

mmm, looks like the mythtv backend is recording video into server disk

[20:03:21]

sanmarcos-trabaj:

so nobody else has the blurry fonts problem with myth?

[20:03:23]

defend:

i hope to get my silly hd card working tommorow

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Dagmar:

sanmarcos-trabaj: Blurry how?

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BULLE:

Dagmar: atleast all new intel chips dont even freak out, they will just reduce speed to stop overheating

[20:04:18]

Dagmar:

BULLE: Yeah but the fact remains they really aren't meant to work right at that temp. The 450Mhz K6–2 was made to be fine at that temp. It's nuts.

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sanmarcos-trabaj:

Dagmar, just blurry, I am using ratpoison as my WM, if I split a screen and have a GTK app (such as the nvidia config gui), the fonts on both myth and the gtk app look sharp

[20:04:31]

Tuju:

it's doing it for two files, apparently since I've got two ivtv cards

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Dagmar:

sanmarcos-trabaj: What output are you using?

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sanmarcos-trabaj:

Dagmar, s video into POTV

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Dagmar:

...and which fonts are looking blurry. One of the kinda outstanding issues is that things still aint' happy if your display isn't _exactly_ 100DPI

[20:06:23]

sanmarcos-trabaj:

the standard myth fonts

[20:06:25]

Dagmar:

Keep in mind s-video isn't going to be super-sharp to begin with, because TVs aren't all that precise, but it's probably the DPI thing

[20:06:34]

sanmarcos-trabaj:

how would I change the DPI?

[20:06:40]

Dagmar:

Check your xdpyinfo for what it says it's using.

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trester:

has anyone tried this out http://www.4videoequipment.com/video/store2/s . . . product=3880

[20:06:52]

Dagmar:

If it's not 100DPI x 100DPI, search the wiki for DisplaySize

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Dagmar:

I made very sure that page tells you all you need to know

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sanmarcos-trabaj:

Dagmar, thank you very much, ill try it when I Get home :)

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Dagmar:

0.19 would nastily misbehave if you were very far from 100DPI

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sanmarcos-trabaj:

I think I was using 0.20

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Dagmar:

I have a screenshot somewhere of it doing a 16 point font a whole three pixels high

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sanmarcos-trabaj:

oh, so wait

[20:08:20]

sanmarcos-trabaj:

if I took a screenshot then the fonts will look blurry?

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trester:

it's only $945

[20:08:27]

sanmarcos-trabaj:

then I could tell if its the tv or myth

[20:08:30]

sanmarcos-trabaj:

right?

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Dagmar:

sanmarcos-trabaj: You can ssh in and after plucking a bit out of the environment of hte frontend run xwd or any other screenshot program and use that to test with

[20:09:26]

sanmarcos-trabaj:

yes, :), ill try that that should tell me if its my tv

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sanmarcos-trabaj:

also, should I use composite or s-video

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Dagmar:

Look up the pid of the frontend, and then look in /proc/(that number)/environment to steal it

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Dagmar:

You should use s-video

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Dagmar:

It's output is better

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Dagmar:

It might also be worth looking into setting the display explcitly to s-video output

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Dagmar:

One sec

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Dagmar:

Look at http://blairhouse.homeip.net/~dagmar/xorg.conf

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Dagmar:

In there I've stuck the bits necessary to force an nVidia card to always light up the s-video output (even when a TV isn't connnected when you start Myth or boot up) and to force output type selection to S-video

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Dagmar:

On some (few) cards it actually makes a difference

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sanmarcos-trabaj:

I have a pny 6200

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Dagmar:

You can also see traces of my irritation about the DPI issues. ;) "# Useable @#$@! setting at 1024x768"

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DVBMark:

well honestly think the pic looks a little better with the 5xxx card but the osd is still B&W with XvMC but think there was a patch or sql line for that if I recall right, will look it up

[20:12:52]

Dagmar:

Yep. there is

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sanmarcos-trabaj:

ah also, what resolution should I use with a small 20 or so sdtv?

[20:12:55]

Dagmar:

I haven't bothered to use it

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Dagmar:

Mine's running fast enough that it doesn't really need it

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kormoc:

sanmarcos-trabaj, whatever looks good?

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Dagmar:

sanmarcos-trabaj: Weirdly, on three of the cards I've screwed with, 1024x768 made the card give the brightest, sharpest image

[20:13:40]

sanmarcos-trabaj:

ok

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DVBMark:

ya it is a 64bit 3500, it only hits 40–50% without it, with that UseEvent set to true or whatever that option was, just trying to make it as smooth as I can

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Dagmar:

I think it might be having something to do with giving the deinterlacer in the card more room to play with, but I can't be sure

[20:14:05]

DVBMark:

I need to doa lot to my xorg.conf have no settings in it currently not even a modeline

[20:14:16]

Dagmar:

The flickerfilter setting in the nvidia control panel tool can make the card deinterlace for you

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Dagmar:

...or reinterlace I guess

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DVBMark:

so using that instead of using a deinterlacer in myth itself?

[20:14:50]

Dagmar:

You don't need a modeline unless you're trying to use a resolution X doesn't know about

[20:15:03]

Dagmar:

Yeah, I'm not using Myth's interlacing-handling stuff at all

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DVBMark:

thought it helped.

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DVBMark:

hmm will check it out, nvidia-settings?

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Dagmar:

It's not necessary unless you're trying for some very strange display overscan settings

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Dagmar:

Yep. nvidia-settings

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Dagmar:

When you get the slider near the middle you will notice things kinda go "click" and get sharper

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DVBMark:

k, I do know that my parents tv which is a 57in Widescreen X by default was freaked out. Maybe doing the X -configure will figure that out, never tried it before

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DVBMark:

will look right now

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Dagmar:

Unless you have an LCD/TFT/Plasma/whatever display with *fixed* size pixels, just put the card in a high-res widescreen mode and it should be able to figure the rest out

[20:17:01]

Dagmar:

If you have a display with fixed sized pixels, i.e., a "native" resolution, then aim for that exact resolution

[20:17:05]

Dagmar:

Then you will probably need a modeline

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Dagmar:

Like, 1360x908 would need a modeline

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DVBMark:

well my native res on my projector is 1024x768, but I run it in widescreen mode, which I think would be 1024x576, but only passing the 1024x768 to it currently

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Dagmar:

1600x1024 would not.

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DVBMark:

heh don't have a mouse hooked up to my system so I have to vnc it to use nvidia-settings lmao

[20:17:53]

Dagmar:

Your projector probably does have a native res unless it's one of those ancient three-gun monstrosities

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DVBMark:

it is 1024x768

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DVBMark:

so where in Nvidia Settings is this that you are talking bout?

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Dagmar:

I've no idea. I don't run it but once in a blue moon

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Dagmar:

All I remember is the flicker filter is the top slider on one of the configuration pages

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DVBMark:

that's what it is called Flicker Filter?

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Dagmar:

Bleh. Trying to remember how to make X handle 1024x768 as a 16:9 display

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Dagmar:

Either flicker filter or flicker free

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DVBMark:

hmm don't see anything like that

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Dagmar:

In my .nvidia-settings-rc it becomes 0/TVFlickerFilter[TV-0]=127

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DVBMark:

under OpenGL Settings I have Performance and it has Image Settings Quality

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Dagmar:

It only applies to the s-video outputs, not to the VGA output

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DVBMark:

AHHHHH

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DVBMark:

heh

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DVBMark:

otay nm

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DVBMark:

lol

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Dagmar:

Yeah, if you're using the VGA output, then you;'re already better off

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DVBMark:

but ya if you have a tip for configuring my 1024x768 to widescreen properly great, it seems to work ok now

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Dagmar:

I can't think of anything. I don't think I've seen a setting for aspect ratio

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Dagmar:

...not one that wouldn't screw up DPI

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kormoc:

are you sure the native res of the display is 1024x768?

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DVBMark:

yup

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Dagmar:

It's possible, just a little weird

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DVBMark:

and I have a button to press on the remote to resize it so it puts it in widescreen basically

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kormoc:

the aspect ratio for nvidia cards is calculated by the screen size and resolution of the display

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DVBMark:

just didn't know if I should be passing something else cuz of that

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kormoc:

those two allow the card to figure out the proper aspect ratio

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DVBMark:

it is 100" Diagonal

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Dagmar:

I suppose you could manually cook up some Display Size settings that would make it be considered widescreen

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Tuju:

uhhuh, minimyth is difficult

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Tuju:

one could think that once you have common hardware, it's just plug-n-watch

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Dagmar:

*idea*

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DVBMark:

don't hurt yourself LMAO

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Dagmar:

DVBMark: You might find it worth snatching the two "cheatsheets" from http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Theme_development_guide to use to take a close look at exactly what's happening when you switch the projector in and out of widescreen mode

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Dagmar:

Look down the right hand side of the pathc

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Dagmar:

er page

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Dagmar:

Just display 'em fullscreen with xv or something

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Dagmar:

I've been using them to tweak my overscan with

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DVBMark:

k will check it out, thanks

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Dagmar:

...and the dark red is dark red because that seems to screw around with wobbly outputs the least

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DVBMark:

thank you too kormoc

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Tuju:

http://pastebin.ca/295882 is there nothing alrming in this output?

[20:26:34]

Tuju:

that vbi thing was teletext and should not prevent video from displaying?

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Dagmar:

Tuju: Only if you desperately need closed-captioning

[20:27:01]

Tuju:

mmm, what that means? :)

[20:27:04]

Tuju:

subtitles?

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Dagmar:

It might be a sign of something else being wrong that would likely be showing up in the kernel log when your driver is being loaded

[20:27:22]

Tuju:

mmm, in minimyth end you mean

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Tuju:

I'll try to telnet into it

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Dagmar:

YEah. teletext, closed-captioning, subtitles, and some EPG crap no one ever uses is all that goes through VBI

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Tuju:

ack, i don't need that.

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Dagmar:

Yeah, it might be misdetecting the tuner chip

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Tuju:

tuner is working fine

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Tuju:

I use it with vlc usually

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Dagmar:

Well, if you're getting a picture and you're not deaf, then you probably won't miss VBI

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Dagmar:

:)

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Tuju:

:)

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Tuju:

well, I do try to learn estonian :)

[20:28:46]

Tuju:

subtitles help on that :)

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Tuju:

but video is my main concern atm.

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Tuju:

speanking of audio, I plugged headphones into via box and I can hear the audio

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Tuju:

so the stream is coming

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Tuju:

so the problem must be in decoding or displaying the mpeg stream

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Tuju:

mmm, I'll check via bios

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Tuju:

mmm, still my X runs in composite

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Tuju:

MM_X_TV_OUTPUT that should control where X is being displayed, right?

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Tuju:

RGB didn't work with via

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juski:

MM_X_TV_OUTPUT should be VGA not RGB, if you're using VGA

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Tuju:

okay, I'll try that one

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Tuju:

MM_X_TV_OUTPUT='VGA' is not valid for MM_X_DRIVER='via'

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juski:

oh wait

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Tuju:

now I'm booting with: MM_X_OUTPUT_VGA='0'

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juski:

http://linpvr.org/minimyth/document-minimyth_ . . . X_OUTPUT_VGA

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Tuju:

yep

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Tuju:

I guess 'auto' would be good too

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namuch:

does anyone know any trick for getting mythtv to playback properly with the composite extension enabled?

[20:49:13]

juski:

no, but I don't have any pointless eyecandy on my mythbox

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namuch:

don't be so judging, it's not pointless

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juski:

someone is bound to have blogged about it

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BULLE:

trester: it doesnt do hdmi, so its pretty useless to use as a tv input card

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namuch:

i'm trying to create an epg using a full-screen overlay, this seems like the best way to pull it off

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Beirdo:

I hate my ISP

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** Beirdo beats Liberty Cablevision with a hockey stick. STOP SUCKING! **

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Beirdo:

it's been almost all day to upload 111 pictures to my gallery

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kormoc:

Mornin' Beirdo

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Beirdo:

mornin?

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

crazy pacific timer :)

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kormoc:

hehe

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Beirdo:

it's 16:52 here :)

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Beirdo:

good mornin

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Beirdo:

and 84F and humid :)

[20:54:18]

Beirdo:

ain't no white Christmas in Puerto Rico

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Beirdo:

unless a drug shipment explodes, I guess

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** kormoc laughs **

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kormoc:

and then it's a scary marry christmas

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

I have a cute puppy sleeping against my legs :)

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kormoc:

nice :)

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Beirdo:

yup. she's a great companion when she's not in chompy mood

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BULLE:

chomp back!

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Beirdo:

that doesn't work, unfortunately

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Beirdo:

a spray bottle, however, does

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jblack:

Puppies make good midnight snacks.

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Beirdo:

if you like to eat dog turds

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BULLE:

i think most people would eat the dog, not the turd

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Beirdo:

well, that's about all she makes

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

thankfully, she prefers to do so in the yard, not on the floor

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Beirdo:

we've had her since Dec 1, and she's nearly doubled in size since then

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Tuju:

vau – i can see video :)

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Tuju:

megacool

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Tuju:

my resolutions just suck big time

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juski:

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/justin.hornsby2/4by3music.png&nb sp;– coming soon :)

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juski:

time for a break before I go even more insane

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juski:

I think there's only the weather & video screens to do now (yay!)

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juski:

they can wait for a bit

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xris:

juski: is that blootube 4:3?

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juski:

aye

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xris:

woot

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juski:

been hard at it all day

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xris:

really should find a way to make themes work either-or

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juski:

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/justin.hornsby2/4by3.png &n dash; coming soon :)

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juski:

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/justin.hornsby2/4by3_2.png – coming soon :)

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Blaksmith:

anyone good at lirc?

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Blaksmith:

lirc-ledxmit/bin/ledxmit-irsend: transmission failed

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juski:

Blaksmith: does the script work outside of mythtv?

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Blaksmith:

that was outside of myth

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juski:

xris: the last site mockup I did.. want me to try & develop it further – i.e. icons & stuff?

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xris:

juski: definitely

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xris:

mockup14, right?

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juski:

yep

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xris:

oh, and kill the rounded bit in the top left.. doesn't look good in browsers.

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juski:

the top, top left

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juski:

?

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juski:

or the top left of the 'trough' ?

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psofa:

anyone that can write a quick mysql statement that will make the channel with id 538 visible?

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psofa:

iirc it was sth like SET visible=1 FROM channel WHERE channid='538';

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psofa:

but im so lazy to check the docs

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defend:

wow juski i like those pics

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juski:

update channel set visible=1 where chanid='538';

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defend:

do you have any versions avaible to download?

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psofa:

juski, ah thanks

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juski:

defend: only the widescreen version

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juski:

www.juski.co.uk

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defend:

thats fine with me

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defend:

cool i will put it on when i get home

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juski:

I'd have thought that me posting a link in the themes section of the mythtv wiki was publicity enough

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defend:

:< sorry man i dont check out the wiki much

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defend:

they confuse me

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defend:

you did an awsome job on this man

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juski:

I'm certainly not gonna announce the 4:3 version on any mailing lists this time

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Blaksmith:

ok, looked in the log file... : Dec 29 13:36:20 home ledxmitd 0.7.2: too short gap: 100000

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juski:

xris: try http://homepage.ntlworld.com/justin.hornsby2/ . . . mockup15.png

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xris:

cool

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xris:

I think I like the white border button as a mouseover effect, though

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juski:

are the buttons about the right size?

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juski:

you could have the dark background as a 'normal' button then the mouseover with the lighter border

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juski:

or maybe a fuzzy halo around the button instead – either or – all easy done ;)

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xris:

buttons look good

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xris:

size-wise

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xris:

I'll let you play, though. :)

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juski:

okees

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juski:

one thing I might have to take into account that I didn't know about before – it's that IE doesn't do transparency in pngs

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Tuju:

what is the difference with capture card and video source ?

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juski:

video source is where the EPG data comes from

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Tuju:

okay

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juski:

I still think that needs to be changed to 'EPG data sources'

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Tuju:

mmmm, I guess i don't have EPG once my system is analog

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juski:

but all the translations will have to be changed aswell..

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juski:

and the docs

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juski:

and everyone and their dog's howto guides ;)

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Tuju:

does it always have to record to a disk if I'm just watching?

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juski:

yes it does

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Tuju:

i keep getting pretty heavy files :)

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GreyFoxx:

they will auto delete

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Tuju:

okay, that sounds good.

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Tuju:

for some reason i could not get my X into VGA interface.

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Max0:

evein

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Tuju:

vau, my channel changes work too

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Max0:

evening*

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Tuju:

evening max0

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[R]:

someone with QAM or OTA... do you subchannels sort in the guide in the correct location... like 12–1 comes before 13

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Eruantalon:

How do I make MythTV appear on my secondary monitor (ie my projector) and not on my primary monitor (ie my computerscreen) (Running Kubuntu Edgy)

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[R]:

DISPLAY=:1 before running the frontend

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Zider:

if that's how X is set up, that is

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xris:

Eruantalon: just make sure you're running X with two screens instead of xinerama mode

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Eruantalon:

umm. I only have one x-server set up. I get: mythfrontend: cannot connect to X server :1

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[R]:

are you using xinerama

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xris:

Eruantalon: you only want one server. you want two screens.

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[R]:

i.e. can you drag windows freely between the 2 screens?

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Eruantalon:

I can drag windows freely from screen to screen

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Eruantalon:

i know not what xinerama is

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[R]:

in the frontned there is an xinerama setup

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Eruantalon:

I perhaps should mention that i can't drag files to the other screen. I used to be able to do that. Also the kdebar doesn't extend to this second screen.

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xris:

Eruantalon: if you can drag windows between monitors, you're running xinerama (that's a tech that lets you do that). You probably want to turn that off.

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Zider:

try DISPLAY=:0.1

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Eruantalon:

Hey i think it is working

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Eruantalon:

I went into mythfrontend and selected xinerama to be on screen 1

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xris:

xinerama doesn't run on a specific screen.. but if you have it working, great.

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Eruantalon:

Maybe i will return when i need to finetune it. Is there a good link to this information?

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xris:

a lot of really technical info about xorg.conf — wikipedia and google should turn up a lot of info

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Eruantalon:

xinerama is not a myth specific tech but a x specific one?

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xris:

correct

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briand:

xris: got time for a quick db question?

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xris:

it basically stitches two different X screens together so they interact as one.

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xris:

briand: no. ;) of course.

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briand:

my mythconverg database has a settings table with 968 entries... I'm sure that's too many...

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Eruantalon:

Ok. Why should xinerama be turned of? Is that just your preference or is there a specific reason to do this?

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xris:

briand: it's a lot, but it doesn't really make that much difference

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xris:

Eruantalon: if you have xinerama enabled, there's no easy way to tell a program to launch onto a specific physical screen, since X only sees one virtual screen.

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briand:

i did a SELECT DISTINCT(HOSTNAME),COUNT(*) and found 160 with "NULL", 319 with hostname="myth" and 489 with hostname="mythtv".

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namuch:

i gotta say juski, your blootoob them is the coolest thing i've ever seen

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namuch:

theme

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briand:

my current hostname is 'myth', so I am assuming the stuff where hostname='mythtv' is duplicated or deprecated...

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xris:

briand: null is valid (applies to global settings)... sounds like you renamed your mythbox at some point.

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briand:

question is, is it relatively safe to delete where hostname='mythtv';

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xris:

should be, yeah.

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briand:

xris: rebuilt the mythbox on new box, restored database

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xris:

as long as "myth" is the correct hostname

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briand:

myth is the correct hostname.

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Eruantalon:

xris: Ok. Thanks a bunch

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briand:

aside from the settings table, are there others that may be unnecessarily fatter than they should be as well?

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xris:

briand: possibly. settings is the only one I can think of, though

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briand:

xris: 'k.. i'm just trying to trim this thing down a bit... my daily mysqldump backup file is 8.6M, bzipped.

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xris:

tiny. heh

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briand:

is it, truly? seems a bit bloated to me

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xris:

I'm used to databases in the gigs at work. heh

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briand:

oh, well if we're talking work... well, yeah, it's tiny. our smallest database is in the hundreds of gigs. (largest well into the terabyte range)

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GreyFoxx:

Heh mine is 16meg compressed

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briand:

dept of health, immunizations

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briand:

your kid got poked with a needle? I've got (at least) another row of data.

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briand:

well, anyway.. i'll toast those extra rows with the old hostname this weekend, then... i kinda figured the NULL recs were legit, but wanted to ask basically about the older hostname records

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Steve132:

My files are like 1.5 to 3 GB on my hard drive

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Steve132:

and I want mythtv to transcode them

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Steve132:

but the transcode jobs in the job queue always error 247

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Steve132:

what does that mean?

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emja:

I ripped a few DVDs and found that the transcoding daemon seems to have died while the VOBs were being transcoded. Now I've got a bunch of VOBs in my .dvdrip directory. How do I start the transcoding daemon, and how do I get the existing/orphaned VOBs transcoded?

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emja:

this has happened previously. rebooting gets it all working, but that doesn't necessarily help with the VOBs

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emja:

How can I transcode the VOBs manually (after rebooting, presumably)?

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Anduin:

emja: There is no state maintained for transcoding jobs like that, so you do it over, or by hand.

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gu014:

is anyone using a DFI LANPARTY nF4 SLI-DR?

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rogue780_ssh:

in mythweb, is priority 0 the highest, or the lowest?

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GreyFoxx:

neigther

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GreyFoxx:

it's the default/normal

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GreyFoxx:

lower is lower

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The_Ball:

i have put to 160 SATA drives into my backend for tv storage and striped them using mdadm, performance on /dev/md0 is poorer than performance on /dev/sda or /dev/sdb seperately, any idea why?

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The_Ball:

sda and sdb is able to deliver 30mb/s seperately, but /dev/md0 is only able to deliver slightly less than 30mb/s

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BULLE:

just curious, how do you measure this speed ?

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The_Ball:

hdparm -t -T /dev/sda, ddrescue /dev/sda /dev/null, bonnie++

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emja:

Anduin: how do I do it 'by hand'?

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BULLE:

The_Ball: im a bit surprised, i would have expected bonnie++ to actualy give you an increase in read speed atleast

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The_Ball:

i had expected about twice the read speed

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The_Ball:

it's an old motherboard, maybe the onboard sata controller is really crap

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BULLE:

might be the case

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The_Ball:

it's a fastrack/promise

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BULLE:

i have a fastrack thingy from promise

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BULLE:

i use it to drive a raid5 array

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BULLE:

i get way higher then 30mb/sec from it

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The_Ball:

which driver do you use?

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BULLE:

hmmm, good question

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BULLE:

im using the one that came with the kernel im using

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BULLE:

2.6.18

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Cardoe:

GreyFoxx: hey

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Cardoe:

GreyFoxx: the 12325 changeset fixed the upnp browsing

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The_Ball:

on my raid server the silicon image controller is giving about 60mb/s per disk

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Cardoe:

but there's a bunch of stuff that still doesn't work

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Cardoe:

what do you use for upnp usage?

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rogue780_ssh:

can someone point me in towards a how-to to secure mythweb?

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The_Ball:

rogue780, read the .htaccess file

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The_Ball:

BULLE, here is something you might find interesting. Do a hdparm -t -T /dev/sda and note the result, then do a hdparm -t -T /dev/sda & hdparm -t -T /dev/sdb &

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