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[00:02:02] | zablalbaz: | sorry to bother you folks with what is probably a dumb question, but I've searched through the faqs on mythtv.org and can't seem to find an answer to this- How do I get sound from my Sound Blaster card? |
[00:02:23] | caitlin: | plug speakers in |
[00:02:27] | caitlin: | mint |
[00:02:32] | zablalbaz: | :-) |
[00:03:00] | ** zablalbaz can plug speakers into his tuner card and get some sound, but not the SBLive card ** | |
[00:03:17] | Juski: | zablalbaz: does the sound work in tvtime? |
[00:03:20] | crudpuppy: | do you have alsa setup properly? |
[00:03:42] | zablalbaz: | alsa is set up properly...I can use aplay to play sounds |
[00:03:44] | Juski: | if it does work in tvtime, then you need to find out how to use the v4lctl command |
[00:03:55] | zablalbaz: | I can try tvtime to test |
[00:04:20] | ** zablalbaz was thinking he had something set up wrong in his modprobe.conf file ** | |
[00:04:23] | Juski: | you should _always_ verify all your hardware works in linux before embarking on the mythtv adventure :) |
[00:04:31] | zablalbaz: | did that |
[00:04:53] | zablalbaz: | found out my crappy avermedia card would not work that way |
[00:05:14] | Juski: | so if it doesn't work in the OS what makes you think it will in mythtv? |
[00:05:26] | zablalbaz: | sorry Juski |
[00:05:36] | zablalbaz: | I have a new hauppage 150 card |
[00:05:42] | Juski: | ahhh |
[00:05:45] | crudpuppy: | yes me too |
[00:05:46] | zablalbaz: | that works just fine |
[00:05:48] | crudpuppy: | and it wont work |
[00:05:49] | crudpuppy: | lol |
[00:06:05] | zablalbaz: | crudpuppy: samsung chipset perchance? |
[00:06:11] | crudpuppy: | no idea |
[00:06:19] | crudpuppy: | but in knoppmyth I get no tuner set |
[00:06:22] | Juski: | zablalbaz: samsung tuner issues, not chipset |
[00:06:28] | zablalbaz: | ahhh... |
[00:06:39] | Juski: | anyway so you get audio from the pvr250 okay with the mplayer test? |
[00:06:45] | Juski: | pvr150 I mean |
[00:06:50] | zablalbaz: | Juski: yes |
[00:07:08] | Juski: | cool |
[00:07:20] | zablalbaz: | but when I plug in the speakers to my sound blaster no love |
[00:07:39] | zablalbaz: | weird thing is I get sound when playing DVD's just fine |
[00:07:44] | zablalbaz: | just no live tv |
[00:08:03] | Juski: | helpful |
[00:08:17] | Juski: | I'm busy trying to make a cable right now. will be back in a bit |
[00:09:44] | zablalbaz: | sorry to bother you...I really do try to RTFM before going live with a question... |
[00:09:52] | Juski: | heh it's ok |
[00:09:58] | ** zablalbaz is busy making a cable right now too ** | |
[00:10:34] | zablalbaz: | need to make a serial cable to hook into my low-speed port on my satellite box so myth can change the channels |
[00:11:13] | tcpsyn: | comcast says they support this: http://www.astracomm.com/broadband/hdtv/dcp501.htm |
[00:11:17] | tcpsyn: | should I buy it? |
[00:11:21] | Juski: | I'm doing a 15W D cable |
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[00:14:28] | Inssomniak: | is there a way to deinterlace specific content? I dont want to deinterlace 1080i but want to deinterlace SD stuff, I cant find a way to tell it to only do one |
[00:14:46] | Paladine: | zablalbaz, you in the UK? |
[00:16:53] | jd86: | I've been having nasty problems with studdering recordings lately, and I'm thinking having 3 tuners in one box with 1 hard drive is too much when at times it can be recording 3 things and something watching something completely different |
[00:17:34] | Paladine: | juski, works :) |
[00:17:59] | Paladine: | be damned if I am gonna setup all the channels until I have upgraded to edgy though |
[00:18:23] | zablalbaz: | Paladine: no...North America |
[00:18:42] | Paladine: | zablalbaz, shame I just bought a lovely usb>rf controller for my STB |
[00:18:49] | crudpuppy: | zablalbaz, NC? |
[00:18:53] | Paladine: | literally just trying it out as we speak |
[00:18:59] | Paladine: | works well :) |
[00:19:02] | zablalbaz: | crudpuppy: yep |
[00:19:08] | crudpuppy: | I'm in SC |
[00:19:34] | zablalbaz: | crudpuppy: satellite or cable? |
[00:19:38] | crudpuppy: | cable |
[00:19:50] | zablalbaz: | I wish I was on cable |
[00:19:57] | zablalbaz: | satellite sux |
[00:20:12] | crudpuppy: | we had satellite a long time ago |
[00:20:17] | crudpuppy: | and yes it sucks |
[00:20:18] | crudpuppy: | lol |
[00:20:45] | zablalbaz: | my wife is anti time warner and they are the only cable game in town here |
[00:21:01] | ** zablalbaz is just happy to get as far with myth as he has ** | |
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[00:21:41] | zablalbaz: | from what I've seen MythTV is way more awsome then anything that can be commercially bought |
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[00:22:37] | crudpuppy: | I'll just be happy when I get this dern pvr-150 working right |
[00:22:38] | crudpuppy: | lol |
[00:22:58] | zablalbaz: | crudpuppy: sorry to hear you are having so much trouble with that |
[00:23:02] | crudpuppy: | it DOES work on composite I know that much, but I'd rather get this dern tuner working |
[00:23:19] | zablalbaz: | those are supposed to *just work* |
[00:23:26] | crudpuppy: | yeah I know |
[00:23:27] | crudpuppy: | !!!! |
[00:23:42] | zablalbaz: | crudpuppy: what kind of trouble are you having? |
[00:24:01] | crudpuppy: | well, right now....I'm installing gentoo onto my myth machine |
[00:24:13] | crudpuppy: | but was running knoppmyth and getting no tuner set |
[00:24:13] | ** zablalbaz uses FC6 ** | |
[00:24:31] | crudpuppy: | I'm a gentoo guy, way more familiar with it |
[00:24:35] | crudpuppy: | and don't like rpms |
[00:24:36] | crudpuppy: | lol |
[00:24:38] | zablalbaz: | I hear ya |
[00:25:10] | crudpuppy: | takes a lil longer to setup a gentoo machine though |
[00:25:14] | zablalbaz: | crudpuppy: take it down to the basics...that's what I did |
[00:25:35] | zablalbaz: | get some rabbit ears, and hook those up to the tv in on the card |
[00:25:53] | zablalbaz: | then get it working with us-bcast |
[00:26:25] | zablalbaz: | that just worked for me right away |
[00:27:05] | zablalbaz: | then I spent hours trying to figure out why I was just getting a green screen when I plugged into my sat box |
[00:28:19] | zablalbaz: | when I ran the mythtvsetup on my box, and did a scan, it kept coming up with channel 2, but my sat box was set for channel 4 |
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[00:29:02] | zablalbaz: | I flipped a switch on the back of the box, and now I have apicture:-) |
[00:30:21] | crudpuppy: | lol |
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[00:31:48] | Paladine: | Juski, seems that using xmltv scheduling has fixed the the livetv 30 minute crash problem too (which I was expecting, but it is still nice) |
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[00:35:48] | zablalbaz: | crudpuppy: I seem to remember seeing a link for gentoo specific setup on mythtv.org |
[00:36:33] | ** zablalbaz has always been too conservative for the bleeding edge technology though ** | |
[00:37:43] | zablalbaz: | I can tell you that the hauppauge 150 works just fine in FC6 though |
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[00:41:21] | crudpuppy: | zablalbaz, yes both ivtv and mythtv have gentoo specific instuctions out on the web |
[00:41:23] | crudpuppy: | :-) |
[00:41:52] | crudpuppy: | zablalbaz, bad thing about the pvr-150 is that there are several "Versions" |
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[00:46:17] | Davo_Dinkum: | Howdy gangstas! |
[00:46:42] | zablalbaz: | crudpuppy: yeah...I saw that when I was researching the cards....I might have just "lucked" out |
[00:46:44] | zablalbaz: | lsmod for my card shows the bttv divers loaded |
[00:47:23] | crudpuppy: | looks liike mine is using wanting the ivtv drivers |
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[00:49:27] | naum42: | I seem to be having a recording (or understanding) problem....if I'm watching TV via the frontend it records fine, if I schedule a recording and close the frontend or schedule via mythweb it doesn't record....tries to, but the file is 0k |
[00:49:34] | Davo_Dinkum: | Could anyone recommend a PCMCIA video capture card that works well under Ubuntu Edgy? |
[00:49:37] | Davo_Dinkum: | Or PCI |
[00:49:57] | zablalbaz: | crudpuppy: my avermedia card was using the cx88 (conexant) drivers...I got no love fromthat at all, but the ivtv drivers are supposed to work pretty well |
[00:50:21] | naum42: | It attempts to create a file in my video folder but never gets any size, the file is then listed as a recording but blank and of couse will not play....can anyone help me figure out why? |
[00:50:25] | crudpuppy: | yeah, tried me a cheapo compusa brand card first, used the cx88 drivers |
[00:50:31] | crudpuppy: | no love there either |
[00:50:32] | crudpuppy: | lol |
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[00:56:24] | zablalbaz_hm: | arrrr...damn laptop |
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[00:57:12] | crudpuppy: | whatd it do? |
[00:57:16] | crudpuppy: | batt die? |
[00:57:40] | zablalbaz_hm: | crudpuppy: ran out of juice while it was plugged in |
[00:57:49] | ** zablalbaz_hm needs a new laptop ** | |
[00:57:49] | crudpuppy: | nice |
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[00:58:21] | riddlebox: | is anyone running mythtv on archlinux? |
[00:58:39] | zablalbaz_hm: | crudpuppy: why do you mislike rpm's so much? |
[00:59:01] | zablalbaz_hm: | they make stuff so much easier in the long run |
[00:59:05] | zablalbaz_hm: | :-) |
[00:59:15] | crudpuppy: | not when dependencies cause you headaches |
[00:59:38] | zablalbaz_hm: | that's what yum, and apt are for though... |
[01:00:02] | crudpuppy: | yeah they "have" improved redhat/fc but I still dont use it much |
[01:00:46] | ** zablalbaz_hm works for the Hat here in Raleigh, so he is somewhat biased :-) ** | |
[01:01:01] | crudpuppy: | lol |
[01:01:24] | crudpuppy: | I'm freelance web developer, so I have no real biases |
[01:01:25] | crudpuppy: | lol |
[01:01:28] | zablalbaz_hm: | I didn't used to like RPM's either, but I've been brainwashed in the past few years |
[01:02:06] | ** zablalbaz_hm takes tarballs and turns them into RPM's before he uses them ** | |
[01:02:42] | crudpuppy: | lmfao |
[01:03:02] | fryfrog: | ahahha |
[01:03:16] | cureless: | I'm never leaving my .debs behind. |
[01:03:31] | cureless: | rpms (and most of the rpm tools) just don't compare. |
[01:03:39] | fryfrog: | ebuilds FTW! |
[01:03:52] | ** zablalbaz_hm has no problem with that cureless ** | |
[01:04:40] | zablalbaz_hm: | I just grew up in the M$ culture, and RPM's seemed like the closest thing |
[01:04:54] | cureless: | zablalbaz_hm: closest thing to what? |
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[01:05:26] | zablalbaz_hm: | to .exe and easy uninstall |
[01:05:27] | cureless: | rpms are still better than windows afaik |
[01:06:02] | zablalbaz_hm: | they are...you can stilllook at a log and figure out what the hell hapopened |
[01:06:10] | fryfrog: | .deb and .rpm are close enough in *that* respect |
[01:06:20] | zablalbaz_hm: | ok....gotta go for now |
[01:06:27] | fryfrog: | something like nvidia's drivers are *much* more like an .exe |
[01:06:31] | zablalbaz_hm: | afk...and all that |
[01:06:36] | fryfrog: | bye :) |
[01:06:37] | zablalbaz_hm: | later all! |
[01:06:43] | crudpuppy: | well sweeeeeeet |
[01:06:44] | cureless: | later |
[01:06:51] | crudpuppy: | looks like gentoo + ivtv = success |
[01:06:58] | crudpuppy: | no more no tuner set |
[01:06:59] | naum42: | Actually I can only record when I'm watching TV, scheduling via the frontend and keeping it open won't result in a recording |
[01:07:03] | crudpuppy: | and the ivtv-tune worked this time |
[01:07:10] | crudpuppy: | now just to get X and myth on this machine |
[01:07:22] | crudpuppy: | which should only take till midnight or so |
[01:07:23] | crudpuppy: | lol |
[01:07:57] | cureless: | that's what you get for using gentoo :-) |
[01:08:22] | crudpuppy: | yes it is a nice package system and a better running system |
[01:08:24] | crudpuppy: | :-) |
[01:08:38] | crudpuppy: | just takes a lil longer |
[01:08:40] | crudpuppy: | lol |
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[01:09:55] | fryfrog: | only a smidge longer :) |
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[01:15:10] | cheatersrealm: | if a regular TV can get signal, my tv tuner card should be able to get signal, right? |
[01:15:54] | cureless: | right |
[01:16:47] | crudpuppy: | woohoo, 171 packages to go |
[01:16:48] | crudpuppy: | lol |
[01:17:25] | crudpuppy: | well actually, thats just to get qt-3 |
[01:17:25] | crudpuppy: | lol |
[01:17:39] | crudpuppy: | I didnt even have xorg on here yet |
[01:17:40] | crudpuppy: | lol |
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[01:22:08] | Juski: | whee my aux input adapter works & sounds great :) |
[01:22:30] | Juski: | was nervous sitting in the car fiddling with wires after midnight but hey |
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[01:23:51] | scopeuk: | juski thats normal |
[01:24:04] | scopeuk: | at 6 am before we were drivign to the south of france me and my dad had the car engien in pieces |
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[01:24:17] | Juski: | that's different |
[01:24:37] | Juski: | messing with wires around the car stereo area... |
[01:24:46] | Juski: | couldn't have looked more dodgy |
[01:24:46] | scopeuk: | at 10 am on the day of his weddingmy dad was changing the engine in his car |
[01:24:55] | Juski: | what?! |
[01:25:01] | Juski: | that's funny |
[01:25:05] | scopeuk: | not nearly as dodgey as me breakign into our garage at 3 am |
[01:25:12] | Honk^gone is now known as Honk | |
[01:25:17] | scopeuk: | engine talkign crap stereo |
[01:25:24] | scopeuk: | 1 track mind and all that bolocks |
[01:26:19] | Juski: | I'm considering putting my schematics online |
[01:26:24] | scopeuk: | go for it |
[01:26:28] | Juski: | but then – I've said that before |
[01:27:17] | Juski: | I've not tested it with the cd changer on the cable at the same time yet.. |
[01:27:23] | Juski: | that's the acid test |
[01:27:52] | scopeuk: | yup |
[01:28:23] | Juski: | tell you what though – pioneer take care with their signals. the 11 way cable houses each audio pair, a data pair & a drain wire. each audio & data pair are screened as well as balanced |
[01:28:33] | Juski: | ! |
[01:28:35] | scopeuk: | thats sweet |
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[01:32:50] | naum42: | Anyone have any ideas why recording would only work when watching TV not when scheduled? |
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[01:36:42] | scopeuk: | becouse the tuner is busy while your watchign tv |
[01:36:48] | rogue780: | does anyone know how to make it so that tv-out isn't all slanted and discolored? |
[01:37:07] | scopeuk: | is it set to the right tv system |
[01:37:11] | scopeuk: | pal/ntsc/secam |
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[01:38:19] | cheatersrealm: | anyone know which of pal/ntsc/secam is typically used in US? |
[01:38:31] | scopeuk: | ntsc |
[01:38:43] | cheatersrealm: | ok, thanks |
[01:39:05] | rogue780: | I have an NTSC tv |
[01:39:11] | rogue780: | here is my xorg.conf file |
[01:39:12] | rogue780: | http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/38442/ |
[01:39:24] | cheatersrealm: | I'm having trouble getting my mythtv to tune |
[01:39:37] | cheatersrealm: | I'm not even working on mythfrontend yet |
[01:39:46] | cheatersrealm: | heck, I can't even cat /dev/video0 > test.mpg |
[01:40:13] | rogue780: | cheatersrealm, what type of card do you have? |
[01:40:15] | cheatersrealm: | right now I'm reconnecting some cables, then I'll try fiddling with the ivtv controls |
[01:40:21] | cheatersrealm: | hauppage pvr-500 mce |
[01:40:35] | rogue780: | what distro? |
[01:40:43] | cheatersrealm: | ubuntu |
[01:40:54] | cheatersrealm: | I'm very confident that the drivers are set up correctly |
[01:40:57] | cheatersrealm: | (edgy) |
[01:41:35] | rogue780: | check out #ubuntu-mythtv they are slow to reply, but they (mostly superm1 if he is in there) wrote most of the wikis for ubuntu and mythtv |
[01:41:45] | cheatersrealm: | ok |
[01:43:15] | Juski: | ho ho ho it's time to load up the portable media player with festive tunes |
[01:43:26] | cheatersrealm: | heh |
[01:43:33] | Juski: | kevin bloody wilson will feature heavily again |
[01:43:42] | Juski: | & bob rivers |
[01:44:28] | scopeuk: | Juski there are no christmas tunes on my player thank god |
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[01:45:11] | Juski: | well, see they always play exactly the WORST christmas music on the radio & in bars & clubs |
[01:45:19] | Juski: | I HATE Slade |
[01:45:25] | Juski: | I HATE Mud |
[01:45:42] | jd86: | dropping quarters into computer on motherboard is probably a bad idea |
[01:45:58] | Juski: | and since I dont DJ anymore I manage to avoid the musak :) |
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[01:46:36] | cheatersrealm: | ahh, djing |
[01:46:41] | cheatersrealm: | I suck at it right now |
[01:46:46] | cheatersrealm: | once I get some time though.. |
[01:47:02] | Juski: | if you can't beatmix right away you'll never be any good |
[01:47:19] | cureless: | lol |
[01:47:21] | Juski: | I know a DJ who sucked at it 15 years ago & he still sucks at it |
[01:47:42] | rogue780: | Argh! kernel panic |
[01:49:04] | cheatersrealm: | Juski: I have the equiptment, but I literally haven't done anything with it yet |
[01:49:53] | ** Juski cues a Technics vs Vestax flamewar ** | |
[01:50:00] | cheatersrealm: | heh |
[01:50:08] | cheatersrealm: | I just wish I lived in europe, not the us |
[01:50:25] | cheatersrealm: | way better music |
[01:50:48] | Juski: | considering most of the best DJs I like are American, I think not |
[01:50:53] | cheatersrealm: | yeah? |
[01:51:04] | Juski: | Morrilo <8 |
[01:51:17] | cheatersrealm: | I saw him at Ultra last spring |
[01:51:22] | scopeuk: | having worked with various djs including like andy c and all that crap ive lost most if not all respect for them |
[01:51:23] | cheatersrealm: | it was pretty cool |
[01:51:27] | rogue780: | hey Juski can you look at this for me? |
[01:51:29] | rogue780: | http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/38442/ |
[01:51:31] | Juski: | scopeuk: fancy listening to a daft xmas bootleg? |
[01:51:37] | scopeuk: | can do |
[01:51:44] | scopeuk: | will have to pause numb3rs though |
[01:51:51] | cheatersrealm: | heh |
[01:51:56] | cheatersrealm: | I'm catching up on Jericho |
[01:52:02] | cheatersrealm: | .. all of it in 2 days |
[01:52:22] | Juski: | rogue780: not TVType IIRC |
[01:52:27] | rogue780: | ? |
[01:52:40] | Juski: | Option "TVType" "NTSC" |
[01:52:40] | rogue780: | Option "IIRC" "NTSC" ? |
[01:52:47] | Juski: | is wrong if I remember right |
[01:53:20] | Juski: | scopeuk: http://homepage.ntlworld.com/justin.hornsby2/ . . . g_genius.mp3 |
[01:53:28] | rogue780: | so replace TVType with IIRC? |
[01:53:29] | Juski: | damn I shoulda msgd that |
[01:53:32] | Juski: | no |
[01:54:04] | Juski: | parental advisory notice on that linky I just posted. never intended it to be posted here |
[01:54:20] | rogue780: | any ideas where I can go to find out how to fix it? |
[01:54:25] | rogue780: | I had it working once, many moons ago |
[01:54:39] | rogue780: | then I reloaded and forgot everything :) |
[01:55:02] | Juski: | rogue780: oops I was wrong, it's right :) |
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[01:55:26] | rogue780: | grr...I can't figure out why my screens going all sideways |
[01:55:48] | Juski: | rogue780: http://homepage.ntlworld.com/justin.hornsby2/livingroomxorg.conf is mine |
[01:56:04] | Juski: | it's only for Via graphics though |
[01:57:07] | ** scopeuk switchs toa head set to listen to juskis music clip ** | |
[01:57:17] | Juski: | can I delete it now? |
[01:57:42] | scopeuk: | yeh if you want |
[01:58:23] | rogue780: | Juski, thanks I'm looking at it now |
[01:58:26] | Juski: | done |
[01:59:10] | scopeuk: | ones of the better mixers ive heard recently |
[01:59:36] | scopeuk: | all im missing is my pearl blinders strobs and mm250;s |
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[02:00:51] | Juski: | haha |
[02:01:06] | scopeuk: | playign with it to andy c |
[02:01:09] | scopeuk: | this could work |
[02:03:28] | Juski: | ah sod I have to download Itunes |
[02:03:33] | scopeuk: | what for? |
[02:03:50] | Juski: | I have songs I purchased that I didn't back up |
[02:03:57] | scopeuk: | poor poor juski |
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[02:04:19] | Juski: | what? it doesn't 'remember' ? |
[02:04:40] | antiPosix: | Juski.... How are you doing this evening |
[02:04:47] | Juski: | antiPosix: not bad |
[02:04:51] | Juski: | and you? |
[02:05:00] | antiPosix: | Tired. Watching stargates |
[02:05:02] | antiPosix: | reruns |
[02:05:05] | Juski: | just noticed it's after 2am & I'm still not ready for xmas yet |
[02:05:16] | scopeuk: | Juski yeh know that feeling |
[02:05:19] | antiPosix: | Netharlands? |
[02:05:26] | Juski: | UK |
[02:05:28] | antiPosix: | Scandanavian somewhere |
[02:05:39] | antiPosix: | Uk does it too |
[02:05:55] | Juski: | Juski isn't my real name btw ;) |
[02:06:11] | antiPosix: | I guess Poland/Norway, etc is an hour later than you? |
[02:06:11] | scopeuk: | its as close as mine is |
[02:06:21] | Juski: | no idea |
[02:06:52] | scopeuk: | 3/4 letter change |
[02:06:57] | scopeuk: | from nick to name |
[02:08:00] | Juski: | gah why is there never a UK English language option, or REAL English ?? |
[02:08:17] | scopeuk: | ive seen it once |
[02:08:20] | scopeuk: | cant remember the app |
[02:08:23] | Juski: | we stopped spelling 'colour' 'colour' a couple of hundred years ago |
[02:08:34] | Juski: | s/'colour'/'color' |
[02:09:09] | Saviq: | lol |
[02:09:18] | cesman: | drunk in IRC has started in #knoppmyth |
[02:09:24] | cureless: | yeah, why can't we all measure in standard units! |
[02:09:24] | cesman: | feel free to join us |
[02:09:28] | Juski: | oh noes! I tunes is installing quicktime |
[02:09:39] | Juski: | I'll bring a bottle |
[02:10:42] | scopeuk: | juski then you grabed the idiot proof version |
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[02:12:50] | antiPosix: | Juski, why did you mention the name thing |
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[02:12:56] | antiPosix: | that Juski isnt your real name |
[02:13:04] | antiPosix: | Juski is your handle correct? |
[02:13:13] | Juski: | yeah |
[02:13:16] | Juski: | my nick |
[02:13:17] | antiPosix: | a handle is more meaningful |
[02:13:21] | antiPosix: | correect? |
[02:13:22] | matthew_i: | is it more standard practice to do /video or /var/lib/mythtv for storing video when using mythtv? |
[02:13:33] | matthew_i: | or is it up to me :) |
[02:13:40] | antiPosix: | a name is given to you |
[02:13:48] | antiPosix: | a handle is chosen by you to identify you |
[02:13:54] | scopeuk: | antiPosix if were going that way we'll settle on tags |
[02:14:06] | antiPosix: | <tags? |
[02:14:11] | antiPosix: | XML tags? |
[02:14:15] | scopeuk: | no |
[02:14:20] | antiPosix: | oh, dog tags |
[02:14:37] | scopeuk: | a short sequence of charicters used to reference ones self or group maby abstractly is refered to as a tag |
[02:14:45] | antiPosix: | no, handles where created by truck drivers in the the early 50's in USA |
[02:14:55] | scopeuk: | cb ;-) |
[02:15:01] | antiPosix: | and spread into the hacker community in the mid 80's |
[02:15:28] | antiPosix: | Serial Killer stated once: "We have no names" |
[02:15:38] | antiPosix: | "We only have handles" |
[02:16:03] | ** antiPosix has reached the depths of geekdome ** | |
[02:16:22] | matthew_i: | I guess it's up to me then /var/media it is :) |
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[02:20:59] | cheatersrealm: | hrm, so apparently there's a systemic issue with the samsung tuners that I happen to have on my tuner card |
[02:22:39] | antiPosix: | systemic? |
[02:22:48] | antiPosix: | like the flaw in the matrix? |
[02:22:58] | antiPosix: | are you sure its as serious as systemic? |
[02:23:09] | cheatersrealm: | http://forums.snapstream.com/vb/showthread.ph . . . 5&page=2 |
[02:23:15] | cheatersrealm: | long link, but it's a long thread |
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[02:23:56] | antiPosix: | why do I dream in black and white |
[02:24:00] | antiPosix: | is that creepy |
[02:24:10] | antiPosix: | am I the only one that dreams in black and white? |
[02:24:16] | GreyFoxx: | yes |
[02:24:23] | antiPosix: | oh crap |
[02:25:19] | antiPosix: | has nothing to do with the Volume box and OSD showing up in Black and white |
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[02:26:06] | antiPosix: | after a xord restart everything is fine for about 1 hour |
[02:26:07] | Paladine: | it isn't creepy and you don't dream in black and white |
[02:26:15] | antiPosix: | then the black and white thing starts again |
[02:26:21] | Paladine: | you siomply don;t register the colour in the dream because they are not important to the dream |
[02:26:31] | Paladine: | dreaming in black and white is a common misconception |
[02:26:48] | ** antiPosix thinks Paladine is creepy ** | |
[02:26:54] | cheatersrealm: | hrm, so when I try and watch tv, I get an extremly snowy picture, but I can barely make out the image of a person |
[02:26:58] | cheatersrealm: | ideas? |
[02:27:10] | scopeuk: | crap conenction to the antenna |
[02:27:22] | Paladine: | channel could need fine tuning |
[02:27:29] | cheatersrealm: | Paladine: how can I do that? |
[02:27:44] | Paladine: | I think you can do it in mythtv-setup under the channel menu |
[02:27:53] | Paladine: | but I expect it would be trial and error |
[02:28:00] | cheatersrealm: | ok |
[02:28:11] | Paladine: | since you wold have to fine tune, quit, mythfilldatabase then check it in frontend |
[02:28:47] | GreyFoxx: | you do not have to run mythfilldatabase |
[02:28:48] | scopeuk: | or do it via myth web |
[02:28:49] | cheatersrealm: | what does mythfilldatabase do? |
[02:28:55] | scopeuk: | practice with xawtv |
[02:28:58] | Paladine: | greyfox? seriously? |
[02:29:02] | GreyFoxx: | yes |
[02:29:18] | Paladine: | so if I change the channel frequency I can just quit mythtv-setup? |
[02:29:23] | GreyFoxx: | and technically you can leave mythtv-setup running after you make the edit |
[02:29:27] | GreyFoxx: | and just flip back and forth |
[02:29:27] | Paladine: | that makes my life much easier |
[02:29:39] | GreyFoxx: | don't need to actually close it |
[02:29:59] | Juski: | my dreams are in black & white & the sound is always bathed in a cavernous reverb |
[02:30:04] | Paladine: | I have been adding the frequencies for my channels for scheduling and never realised I didn't have to run mythfilldatabase, takes ages hehehe |
[02:30:35] | Paladine: | Juski, human being don't dream in black and white unless they can only physically see in black and white when conscious |
[02:30:52] | Paladine: | you think you dream in black and white |
[02:30:54] | Paladine: | but you dont |
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[02:31:32] | Paladine: | it is just a case of colour not registering in your subconscious mind because it isnot important |
[02:31:37] | Juski: | yeah yeah mister know it all |
[02:31:45] | Juski: | I can barely remember em if truth be told ;) |
[02:32:06] | Paladine: | Juski, sleep was one of the things I studied in neuropsych :p |
[02:32:36] | Juski: | heh. maybe you can help cure my psychotic tendencies then |
[02:32:37] | cheatersrealm: | I suppose if I really want to debug this, I'm going to need to put it in it's own box with it's own X and everything |
[02:32:57] | cheatersrealm: | I really would rather have this card in my fileserver though |
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[02:51:20] | dani1900: | hey guys i just got a question about mythtv and creating your own pvr, umm is the encoding times like when you record a show, long? |
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[03:03:21] | Juski: | it's at least as long as the show is, impatient one |
[03:03:23] | Juski: | ;) |
[03:03:32] | Juski: | answer my question now!!!! |
[03:03:36] | Juski: | answer me! |
[03:03:40] | Juski: | pffft |
[03:03:48] | scopeuk: | lol |
[03:04:22] | Juski: | you'd be on hold longer than 5 mins if you rang a tech support hotline |
[03:12:12] | scopeuk: | yup |
[03:12:21] | scopeuk: | although it be a very long time since i did that |
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[03:12:32] | sandeen: | why does myth leave files for live tv lying around in videos/ ? |
[03:12:39] | sandeen: | i.e. shows that are over... |
[03:12:44] | scopeuk: | belive the last tiem was my dad becouse it was before i memorised our isp password and the conenction got fucked over |
[03:13:28] | Paladine: | sandeen, it deletes them in 24 hours unless you ask it not to |
[03:13:50] | sandeen: | Paladine, ok thanks |
[03:13:58] | scopeuk: | ok noiw im goign to bed night all |
[03:13:59] | sandeen: | one more q, if I use logrotate w/ mythfrontend logs, does anyone know if a -HUP will work? |
[03:14:06] | Paladine: | it will also delete the oldest ones should you start to run out of disk space I believe |
[03:14:07] | sandeen: | to start writing to the new log... |
[03:14:08] | Paladine: | but I couldbe wrong |
[03:14:17] | sandeen: | Paladine, guess i'll find out soon enogh :) |
[03:14:20] | sandeen: | enough, even |
[03:14:59] | Paladine: | it is useful to have about 50GB spare if you watch a lot of livetv |
[03:15:14] | Paladine: | for me a full day (24 hours) of livetv takes about 50GB |
[03:15:27] | Paladine: | approx 2GB per hour |
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[03:24:34] | fryfrog: | sandeen: i've used -HUP with mythbackend, it was added in a patch at some point |
[03:24:50] | fryfrog: | sandeen: in fact, i re-wrote the ubuntu init.d script to contain a "reload" option so I could use it easy |
[03:25:48] | fryfrog: | er, am i still on teh irc? |
[03:28:23] | Paladine: | no ;p |
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[03:28:37] | sandeen: | fryfrog, I know it works for backend, was wondering about frontend.... |
[03:28:53] | sandeen: | suppose I could go read |
[03:29:11] | fryfrog: | oh, sandeen good question |
[03:29:22] | sandeen: | hmm looks like "no" |
[03:29:24] | fryfrog: | my logrotate script totally ruins the frontend logging :) |
[03:29:28] | Juski: | anybody here using mythtv? |
[03:29:34] | fryfrog: | nah |
[03:29:39] | fryfrog: | i switched to MCE |
[03:29:43] | ** sandeen looks funny at Juski ** | |
[03:30:27] | Paladine: | juski, I was but the judge made me go into rehab, now they have me on methadone |
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[03:31:20] | Juski: | sorry folks, a person can only read so many lame questions before going slightly mad ;) |
[03:32:04] | fryfrog: | BLAM! |
[03:32:15] | Paladine: | Juski, I can recommend one of those controllers |
[03:32:20] | fryfrog: | the noise your brain makes when it finally assplodes :) |
[03:32:20] | Paladine: | a touch on the expensive side |
[03:32:32] | Paladine: | but worth it I think for the convenience and stability it provides |
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[03:33:36] | Juski: | heh. I was hoping it'd be good for ya :) |
[03:33:50] | Paladine: | I would reverse engineer it, but it would ruin my purdy bacl box |
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[03:34:00] | Paladine: | black even |
[03:34:17] | Paladine: | nice build quality from what I can see from the outside |
[03:34:26] | Paladine: | he obviously takes a lot of care when he makes them |
[03:35:06] | Paladine: | crazy thing about the price is, if they were made on a conveyor belt by machines, they would probably cost 5 bucks a piece, but because he makes them all by hand, the cost is much much higher |
[03:35:14] | scopeuk: | |
[03:35:26] | Paladine: | wassat scope? |
[03:35:28] | fryfrog: | which one? |
[03:36:32] | scopeuk: | 688 at 60 quid |
[03:36:38] | scopeuk: | http://play.com/Electronics/Electronics/4-/81 . . . Product.html |
[03:37:04] | Juski: | eew the fugly one |
[03:37:15] | scopeuk: | lol |
[03:37:20] | crudpuppy: | anybody tell me the best way to configure xorg for both monitor and tv out? I mean this is my first vid card with tv out so does the vid card handle the res somehow different? |
[03:39:42] | ** sandeen wonders if his question was lame ** | |
[03:40:49] | ** Juski has the attention span of a goldfish right now. what question? ** | |
[03:46:03] | sandeen: | Juski, whether -HUP works for rotating frontend logs. answer seems to be "no" based on a quick code scan |
[03:47:13] | Juski: | I dunno |
[03:47:31] | Juski: | but, my brain is now officially on holiday til dec 26th |
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[04:22:28] | sandeen: | crudpuppy, if it's nvidia i think they have docs on doing exactly that |
[04:23:18] | crudpuppy: | it is |
[04:23:58] | crudpuppy: | hmmm, what the crap do I google for |
[04:24:04] | crudpuppy: | lol |
[04:24:08] | crudpuppy: | nm |
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[04:25:00] | crudpuppy: | found tons of stuff on tv out with nvidia |
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[04:51:18] | jblack: | Hi all. I made some preliminary images to represent transcoding status on the shows list and put them at http://jblack.linuxguru.net/~jblack/img/ . Comments welcome |
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[04:54:10] | cesman: | loos ok |
[04:54:35] | cesman: | but shouldn't the compressed letter be squished alittle? |
[04:54:54] | jblack: | They are. |
[04:55:04] | jblack: | High quality, Medium Quality and Low quality. |
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[05:01:36] | XThing: | I see blue people |
[05:02:09] | jblack: | better than dead people. :) |
[05:02:31] | jblack: | I don't know how to help you fix that. Sorry. |
[05:03:22] | XThing: | ha.. ya.. my color on playback is off.. backend is on a separate server.. |
[05:03:52] | XThing: | google show some mention that an FAQ question was added to the mythtv FAQ back in 2002 for this topic.. but it's no longer there.. |
[05:05:01] | XThing: | the effect is that I see blue people.. |
[05:05:16] | XThing: | if I play the same file using mplayer.. colors are good.. |
[05:05:30] | XThing: | blue people are only in mythfrontend.. |
[05:06:00] | XThing: | an idea how I would adjust or troubleshoot the colot problem for mythfrontend? |
[05:08:58] | XThing: | ?? |
[05:09:44] | jblack: | I had a color problem not long ago. It was happening to me during transcoding. It magicially went away when I changed the bitrate. |
[05:10:26] | XThing: | I have trandcoding disabled.. |
[05:10:35] | XThing: | transcoding |
[05:14:32] | sandeen: | can mythphone work with jabber, aim, ichat etc? |
[05:15:42] | crudpuppy: | it looks for a sip server, which is basic server of voip stuff |
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[05:16:06] | crudpuppy: | which aim/yahoo/msn are NOT voip stuff |
[05:16:07] | crudpuppy: | lol |
[05:16:15] | crudpuppy: | should work with skype though |
[05:16:43] | crudpuppy: | vonage wouldnt give me the info I needed to set it up |
[05:16:44] | crudpuppy: | :-( |
[05:16:51] | crudpuppy: | stupid greedy voip provider |
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[05:22:13] | sandeen: | no, skype is not sip |
[05:22:21] | ** sandeen hacked his vonage sip box ** | |
[05:23:55] | crudpuppy: | exit |
[05:23:59] | crudpuppy: | oops wrong box |
[05:24:47] | crudpuppy: | yes, fact is they even pointed out to me without my saying anything that "use of any other device is" is a violation of terms of service |
[05:24:48] | crudpuppy: | lol |
[05:25:08] | crudpuppy: | and indicated something about cracking my router to get the info would get me banned perm |
[05:25:08] | crudpuppy: | lol |
[05:25:21] | crudpuppy: | not too worried bout it really |
[05:27:35] | sandeen: | i use callcentric pay as you go... cheaper. at least as much as I phone long distance |
[05:27:50] | crudpuppy: | I do ALOT of long distance |
[05:27:51] | crudpuppy: | lol |
[05:28:14] | crudpuppy: | I work from home and do freelance web development for ppl all across the states....well all across the world actually but only call ppl in the states |
[05:32:09] | sandeen: | i never actually signed up for vonage, just bought the box back when you could put new firmware on them |
[05:32:46] | sandeen: | anyway, since mythphone did video... and actually I'm not certain that iChat -doesn't- use SIP... |
[05:34:09] | sandeen: | hmm yeah actually it does |
[05:43:43] | stickyicky: | what does "Encoder 1 is remote" mean? |
[05:45:21] | sandeen: | Encoder 1 is remote on localhost.localdomain (currently not connected). |
[05:45:22] | sandeen: | like that? |
[05:45:25] | sandeen: | no idea :) |
[05:46:12] | stickyicky: | you got that too? |
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[05:47:58] | sandeen: | yup |
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[05:53:02] | Dr_willis: | I was testing out the 'optical disks -> burndvd' tool. and cancled the task.. and now it seems its confused and not aware that its been cancled, so it wont let me try again. Anyone know off hand how to kick it in the head to get it back to normal. :) |
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[06:04:33] | crudpuppy: | clear |
[06:04:37] | crudpuppy: | dern wrong window |
[06:04:38] | crudpuppy: | lo9l |
[06:05:43] | sandeen: | :wq |
[06:09:27] | crudpuppy: | emerge vim |
[06:09:28] | crudpuppy: | lol |
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[06:48:17] | voidmage: | mythfrontend is playing back recordings without sound |
[06:48:27] | voidmage: | Also, it's recording stuff partially in black and white |
[06:48:33] | voidmage: | (some parts are in color, others are in black and white) |
[06:48:38] | voidmage: | for the second part, could a weak signal be to blame? |
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[07:10:08] | Dagmar: | voidmage: yes |
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[08:01:31] | Ediehow: | anyone play dvds w/mythtv?/ |
[08:06:14] | Ediehow: | my audio volume goes down when it is used |
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[08:37:19] | crudpuppy: | hmmmm, ivtv-tune works, but tvtime can't open the device |
[08:37:30] | crudpuppy: | need to try the cat test |
[08:37:35] | crudpuppy: | but I don't have mplayer yet |
[08:37:36] | crudpuppy: | lol |
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[09:30:04] | brianp: | hi – can anyone help with this svn complie error please? |
[09:30:15] | brianp: | main.o: In function `main': |
[09:30:15] | brianp: | /home/mythtv/media/builds/mythtv/trunk/mythtv/programs/mythtv/main.cpp:270: undefined reference to `TV::StartTV(ProgramInfo*, bool, bool, bool)' |
[09:30:15] | brianp: | collect2: ld returned 1 exit status |
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[09:32:53] | brianp: | i cant see anything in google or the mailing lists |
[09:39:18] | brianp: | any one up? |
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[09:51:44] | ** Bernardo just got another kernel panic – in mythcommflag ** | |
[09:52:32] | Bernardo: | {__do_IRQ+113} |
[09:52:42] | Bernardo: | {__do_IRQ+66} |
[09:52:53] | Bernardo: | {ret_from_intr+0} |
[09:53:09] | Bernardo: | {xfrm_state_byspi+10464} |
[09:53:17] | Bernardo: | does this ring a bell for anyone? |
[09:53:44] | brianp: | nope – sorry |
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[09:55:50] | juski: | morning |
[09:56:21] | Bernardo: | hi juski |
[09:56:35] | Bernardo: | I've just had another kernel panic, this time inside mythcommflag |
[09:56:57] | Bernardo: | which I had just built from svn |
[09:58:20] | Bernardo: | bbl... |
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[09:58:37] | Bernardo|away: | brianp: thnks, anyway |
[10:00:07] | brianp: | np |
[10:11:16] | juski: | I only ever had kernel panics on gentoo when I'd built the kernel or modules wrongly somehow |
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[10:24:10] | galorin: | Quick question.. anyone knw how to blacklist kernel modules in Ubuntu? |
[10:25:31] | juski: | quite easy, that |
[10:26:11] | juski: | add them to /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist |
[10:26:30] | juski: | I mean add the name of the modules to that list & they'll stop being loaded automatically |
[10:27:14] | juski: | then to load them manually, add them to /etc/modules |
[10:27:26] | galorin: | I was wondering where they kept that... trying to get an ATI remote working with LIRC rather than the kernel module |
[10:27:44] | galorin: | heck of a lot of xmodmap work if I can't |
[10:27:55] | juski: | heh. been there |
[10:31:34] | galorin: | I'll give it a shot, just gotta get this thing back to my in-law again.. idiot put Windows on it thinking that somehow it'd be better. |
[10:31:57] | Dagmar: | juski: Hey, if you want the original for http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Image:Mythdiagram.png just let me know |
[10:32:12] | Dagmar: | It's Visio, but I think I can convince it to save as SVG |
[10:32:29] | Dagmar: | I figure you might be able to use such a thing next time you do a lecture |
[10:34:47] | brianp: | is any one else have trouble with svn complie today? |
[10:42:57] | juski: | what's better than mythtv? no other, that's what |
[10:43:11] | juski: | infact I'd even go as far as saying nothing even comes near it |
[10:43:28] | brianp: | i havent reied the others |
[10:43:42] | brianp: | 2 years of use here |
[10:43:51] | brianp: | no need to stray to vdr |
[10:50:52] | galorin: | wha? Oh well.. looks like I'll need to do ome work getting lirc working.... I thought it was but oh well. |
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[11:03:12] | brianp: | what have i missed here? /usr/lib//libmythavcodec-0.20.so: undefined reference to `XvMCLoadQMatrix' |
[11:04:25] | juski: | brianp: no idea |
[11:04:42] | juski: | unless you're missing the xvmc-dev libraries |
[11:04:58] | brianp: | right o – i'll check |
[11:05:21] | brianp: | i tink i have all devl packages – but could be the path i suppose |
[11:05:26] | brianp: | suse 10.1 << |
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[11:19:07] | galorin: | o..k.. how the heck am I supposed to get LIRC working on Ubuntu? |
[11:20:13] | juski: | there's a good howto somewhere |
[11:21:23] | galorin: | I thought I found the good howto, but lirc keeps choking.. guess I need to look again. |
[11:24:18] | Dagmar: | Ummm... undefined references generally do not mean you're missing a library. |
[11:24:24] | galorin: | grrr :( |
[11:24:40] | Dagmar: | They generally mean you've replaced a library that something else was compiled with that had that symbol, and is no longer present. |
[11:24:45] | Dagmar: | i.e., you have the wrong library somewhere. |
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[11:25:13] | Dagmar: | Rebuild whatever provided libmythavcodec and the problem should go right away. |
[11:25:26] | cptpotato: | hi i have 2 channel listings, 1 for school apt, and one when im home. when i run mythfilldatabase its not all right.. how can i correct this? |
[11:25:35] | cptpotato: | there's no man page on mythfilldatabase |
[11:25:36] | Dagmar: | From looking at my inventory, it just means you need to recompile MythTV. |
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[11:26:04] | Dagmar: | cptpotato: afaik Myth is not currently set up to handle multiple sites liket hat |
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[11:26:46] | cptpotato: | multiple sites? u mean like multiple entries on zap2it? |
[11:27:10] | Dagmar: | I can't think of any even *remotely* pleasant way to handle that particular situation, either. |
[11:27:15] | juski: | you'd have to have 2 accounts |
[11:27:28] | juski: | but you can't switch between them |
[11:27:39] | Dagmar: | Myth assumes that yer machine is going to be in one place and only have one set of channels to worry about |
[11:27:40] | juski: | one tuner input – one video source |
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[11:28:21] | cptpotato: | understood. so maybe i can delete my school listing and run mythfilldatabase, and u think it'll work? |
[11:29:01] | Dagmar: | Now, if you don't mind Myth not knowing about (and being a little confused by the presence of) recordings made in the other location then you could maybe do two separate configurations of MySQL which use a different location for their databases... |
[11:29:14] | cptpotato: | actually i'll figure it out.. but how can i delete the listings i have now and just link it to a new acct |
[11:29:14] | Dagmar: | It might. |
[11:29:43] | Dagmar: | If you tell the frontend about your new Zap2it account and then run mythfilldatabase it should at least wipe out the old information and replace it with the new |
[11:29:58] | Dagmar: | I can't say much about what will happen to channels that don't appear in the new one. It might erase those, it might not. |
[11:30:03] | cptpotato: | alright i'll give that a shot.. |
[11:30:13] | galorin: | 2 mysql databases, with diferent accounts, and then seperate users, each with their own mysql.txt info for what database to connect to? |
[11:30:42] | Dagmar: | It might just be faster to toss out the old database entirely and start a new one fresh, but that would be a little crude and require starting over with the configuration |
[11:30:57] | Dagmar: | No, not separate users. |
[11:31:14] | Dagmar: | The method I mentioned would involve you starting *only* the invocation of the database you're going to be using |
[11:32:04] | Dagmar: | Like, have one store it's databse in /var/lib/mysql-school and the other invocation keep it's databases in /var/lib/mysql-home, and you'd need to clone the init script and modify them each to point at the correct locations, and basically start it all up manually each time you boot. |
[11:32:16] | juski: | omg. wife has asked me to copy the audio from 2 dvds onto minidisc for her brother. ffs |
[11:32:26] | Dagmar: | lol |
[11:32:44] | juski: | like it's as simple as ripping a cd |
[11:33:11] | Dagmar: | hehe there's not even simple CLI tools for that |
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[11:33:44] | cptpotato: | whats the difference between /etc/cron.daily/mythtv-backend and mythfilldatabase |
[11:33:57] | juski: | well at least sony's netmd program isn't as bad as it used to be |
[11:33:58] | Dagmar: | You could always hint that it would easier to upgrade the wife to one that doesn't ask such things. ;) |
[11:34:17] | juski: | Dagmar: maybe, but not cheaper |
[11:34:21] | Dagmar: | cptpotato: Dunno. Open the cron script in vim or something and see what it does |
[11:34:34] | juski: | the cron script runs mythfilldatabase every day |
[11:34:58] | cptpotato: | juski: so i dont have to run mythfilldatabase if i run the cron |
[11:35:03] | juski: | and don't say to use vim or he'll ask how to close it |
[11:35:13] | juski: | yes |
[11:35:22] | cptpotato: | nah i use vim :) good to see a non-emacs/nano |
[11:35:46] | juski: | I used to use vi cos I HAD to, and for no other reason |
[11:35:48] | cptpotato: | im no newb, just new to myth |
[11:35:53] | Dagmar: | *Probably* the cron script just checks to see if it's running. |
[11:36:07] | Dagmar: | cptpotato: I have a diagram you might wanna look at then... |
[11:36:17] | cptpotato: | vi is like linux in general.. if u take the time to learn its commands, u have better and faster control over it |
[11:36:19] | juski: | no the cron script on ubuntu/debian is for mythfilldatabase |
[11:36:32] | Dagmar: | juski: Do they hate Zap2it that much? |
[11:36:40] | Dagmar: | cptpotato: This may help understanding how it all works http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Image:Mythdiagram.png |
[11:36:41] | cptpotato: | Dagmar: what diagram |
[11:37:03] | Dagmar: | I'm working on a ludicrously long article on the wiki to complete the explanations at http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Executive_Overview but it's only about 30% done |
[11:37:08] | cptpotato: | ah cool thanks :) |
[11:37:37] | cptpotato: | alright rebooting, hopefully it works |
[11:37:47] | juski: | frontend server? isn't that a bit of a misnomer? |
[11:38:01] | xian_: | did u know if is possible to make xvmc (cn400) with mythtv internal player? |
[11:38:17] | xian_: | (i'm on a epia sp8000) |
[11:38:26] | xian_: | and gentoo |
[11:38:33] | xian_: | 0.20 fixies |
[11:38:36] | juski: | xian_: yeah. select via xvmc as the preferred mpeg decoder |
[11:38:52] | xian_: | from general options? |
[11:39:08] | Dagmar: | juski: If I don't use the same lexicon for each, people are likely to get the idea that these pieces aren't basically on equal footing |
[11:41:07] | juski: | so, vlc isn't up to this job |
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[11:41:15] | xian_: | juski, i haven't xvmc in preferred mpeg2 decoder |
[11:41:37] | juski: | xian_: so you need xvmc in your USE flags & you'll have to re-emerge mythtv |
[11:41:41] | juski: | & mythdvd |
[11:41:42] | xian_: | and i've compiled with --enable-xvmc-pro |
[11:41:43] | Dagmar: | xian_: Might be that your myth binary wasn't compiled with xvmc support |
[11:42:07] | Dagmar: | xian_: did it say "Yes" to that at the end of hte configure script output? |
[11:42:31] | xian_: | ./configure --prefix=/usr --enable-xvmc-pro |
[11:42:50] | juski: | xian_: what's wrong with using an ebuild? |
[11:42:56] | Dagmar: | You can tell it to enable things all you like, if it doesnt' find the requisites it'll quietly say no |
[11:43:00] | xian_: | XvMC pro support yes |
[11:43:21] | Dagmar: | Very weird. |
[11:43:25] | xian_: | juski, via ebuild it didn't work |
[11:43:35] | xian_: | so i tryed recompiling |
[11:44:04] | juski: | anyway it's supposed to be a holiday time. nobody should be messing with mythtv now |
[11:44:10] | Dagmar: | You *might* need --enable-xvmc as well |
[11:44:14] | juski: | :-P |
[11:44:30] | xian_: | --xvmc-lib=LIB |
[11:44:39] | Dagmar: | juski: Will you settle for them doing so but not actually trying very hard? |
[11:44:40] | Dagmar: | ;) |
[11:44:41] | xian_: | maybe i've to tell so the library |
[11:44:42] | xian_: | ? |
[11:45:01] | xian_: | tnx i'll try recompiling |
[11:45:03] | Dagmar: | xian_: You shouldn't normally need to do that unless you have more than one xvmc library set around |
[11:45:18] | Dagmar: | ...or have it in a weird place it can't easily find. |
[11:45:27] | xian_: | noe it's using libXvMCW |
[11:45:42] | xian_: | now |
[11:47:52] | juski: | so Vegas doesn't like these mpegs dropped into it. jees! |
[11:48:15] | juski: | ffmpeg'll do it |
[11:48:22] | xian_: | i've seen the option for selecting the default decoder for mpeg2 only under tv settings |
[11:48:29] | Dagmar: | Yep. Ffmpeg loves to split out the audio from the vidoe |
[11:48:36] | juski: | that's where you need to be |
[11:48:38] | xian_: | does it will work for dvd and dvd rip also? |
[11:49:16] | juski: | xian_: dvd ripping doesn't do any playback |
[11:50:17] | xian_: | in playing dvd from disks |
[11:50:28] | xian_: | and from isos of ripped dvd |
[11:50:41] | juski: | if you transcode the ripped dvd away from mpeg2, you won't get any benefit from xvmc |
[11:50:50] | xian_: | sorry for my crappy english :) |
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[11:51:12] | xian_: | i'm talking of dvd isos |
[11:51:18] | juski: | they should be fine |
[11:51:26] | xian_: | acceleration works with xine |
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[11:52:27] | xian_: | let's compile |
[11:52:35] | xian_: | see you later |
[11:54:46] | juski: | ffs. ffmpeg is crashing |
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[11:55:02] | juski: | to hell with it. I can't be arsed |
[11:55:12] | Dagmar: | Now is the point where you're supposed to dance around the flaming remains of ffmpeg. |
[11:56:24] | juski: | or I could just copy it all to my linux box |
[11:56:44] | juski: | windows builds of ffmpeg always seem to be broken |
[11:57:06] | juski: | and at least this way I can script the conversion |
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[12:28:57] | penguinboy: | hi, i'm having trouble getting mythfrontend to use alsa instead of oss as audio output |
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[12:30:38] | Dagmar: | Do you actually have the oss modules loaded? |
[12:30:54] | penguinboy: | i believe so |
[12:31:10] | penguinboy: | the sound works fine with the default /dev/dsp |
[12:31:20] | Dagmar: | I'll put this another way.. Just because it's using /dev/dsp doesn't mean it's not using ALSA |
[12:31:33] | Dagmar: | If you don't want OSS used, then blacklist the modules for it |
[12:33:45] | penguinboy: | hmm ok |
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[12:35:28] | penguinboy: | i was trying to get software audio mixing with mythtv audio |
[12:35:35] | penguinboy: | which seems to be working with the rest of my apps |
[12:35:57] | penguinboy: | that should be possible with myth? |
[12:38:32] | penguinboy: | there's also another set of audio devices with /dev/adsp#, but i can't seem to get audio out of them |
[12:39:04] | juski: | what do you need software mixing for anyway? |
[12:39:52] | penguinboy: | wanted to be able to play other sounds through my sound card while mythfrontend was open |
[12:39:56] | juski: | duh |
[12:40:22] | juski: | I mean why? ;) |
[12:40:32] | penguinboy: | lol |
[12:40:44] | penguinboy: | putting mythfrontend on the other side of the dual mon |
[12:40:58] | penguinboy: | so i can work on other stuff while watching tv =) |
[12:41:18] | juski: | oh you're one of those people who like bloops & farts while you work |
[12:41:31] | penguinboy: | lol |
[12:41:32] | penguinboy: | i suppose |
[12:41:36] | juski: | first thing I always do is scramble to turn them off |
[12:41:39] | penguinboy: | is it supported in myth? |
[12:42:03] | juski: | last thing you need when you're editing a sound recording at high volume is for a desktop sound to play |
[12:42:37] | penguinboy: | haha |
[12:42:44] | penguinboy: | i though all the recording happened at the backend |
[12:42:54] | Dagmar: | My favorite are those sketchy ad banners. |
[12:43:03] | juski: | who said the sound recordings had anything to do with mythtv? ;) |
[12:43:36] | penguinboy: | bahhh |
[12:43:42] | Dagmar: | While lsitening to a quiet podcast there's nothing so much fun as hearing "CUM ON DOWN TO MY WEBSITE AT PUREF**K..." |
[12:44:06] | Dagmar: | When audio output was broken for Flash, I didn't mind it one damn bit |
[12:46:30] | Dagmar: | juski: About that cron job ubuntu has, what do they have against having the backend launch mythfilldatabase at a semi-randomized time? |
[12:46:45] | juski: | no idea |
[12:50:23] | juski: | it's prolly a hangover from debian mythtv & before the zap2it fixing |
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[13:31:23] | cptpotato: | hi, how can i clear my program guide database |
[13:31:55] | juski: | rm -rf / |
[13:32:25] | juski: | clear out the programs? or everything? |
[13:32:51] | cptpotato: | juski: just the programs from the db, ha, not my hdd |
[13:33:10] | cptpotato: | would that even work if im on the hdd? |
[13:33:37] | juski: | it would work up to a point, then stop working |
[13:33:39] | juski: | I know |
[13:33:41] | juski: | ;) |
[13:33:53] | cptpotato: | tried? |
[13:34:00] | juski: | did it by accident once |
[13:34:06] | juski: | a long time ago |
[13:34:15] | juski: | anyway, some mysql-fu might help you |
[13:34:26] | cptpotato: | i rm -rf'd my home dir once by accident.. and it was really bad cause i keep most of my stuff in ~/ |
[13:34:27] | juski: | delete * from programs; |
[13:35:06] | cptpotato: | ah thats the problem.. i dont know mysql, which means lots of reading.. there isnt some mythtv command to delete the db and just create a new one? |
[13:35:13] | juski: | nope |
[13:35:36] | juski: | mysql -u mythtv -p mythconverg -e 'delete * from programs;' |
[13:35:51] | juski: | but obviously you need to be careful. i might be wrong |
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[13:45:15] | cptpotato: | juski: problem solved |
[13:46:02] | juski: | how? |
[13:46:05] | cptpotato: | just created a new video src.. so far looks like the prob was solved |
[13:49:13] | juski: | that'd work around it temporarily |
[13:49:33] | juski: | delete FROM progam WHERE vidsrc=1; |
[13:49:54] | juski: | or 0 or whatever the number of the vidsrc is |
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[14:00:04] | Dagmar: | Ick. It's been awhile since I cared, was it 2.2Gb per hour or 1.1Gb per hour? |
[14:00:09] | Dagmar: | I think it was 2.2Gb |
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[14:02:25] | cptpotato: | Dagmar: u mean the default for a recorded show? |
[14:02:48] | Dagmar: | Yeah, I think the "normal" rate for recordings winds up at about 2.2Gb per hour IIRC |
[14:03:11] | cptpotato: | i think for a 2 hr movie came out to 1.2 GB?? |
[14:03:17] | juski: | time to install the net MD software |
[14:03:32] | Dagmar: | cptpotato: What are you recording with? |
[14:03:52] | cptpotato: | thats just what i thought i read somewhere when i was first installing |
[14:04:00] | cptpotato: | i have a hauppauge 150 |
[14:04:07] | Dagmar: | I finally got the tunnel to MythWeb working again, I'm seeing 2.2Gb per hour at the default "high quality" setting |
[14:04:21] | cptpotato: | Gb or GB |
[14:04:35] | Dagmar: | Capitalization does not matter with respect to disk. |
[14:04:44] | Dagmar: | No one talks about disk storage in *bits* |
[14:05:02] | juski: | come on Sony, now fuck my PC |
[14:05:15] | Dagmar: | juski: Try sending them a little wine. |
[14:05:16] | cptpotato: | i dont get why they talk about net in bits.. but thats beside the point. I'm not sure |
[14:05:55] | juski: | Dagmar: ricin wine? |
[14:06:30] | Dagmar: | I think maybe that's what you use if you want SS agents to fuck *you* |
[14:07:02] | Dagmar: | cptpotato: because not all transports frame things in 8-bit bytes, actually |
[14:07:29] | cptpotato: | u learn something new every day ;) |
[14:07:52] | cptpotato: | i always thought it was another way of the big companies to make u think ur paying for more than what ur actually getting |
[14:07:55] | Dagmar: | Add to this parity calculations, checksums, and packet encapsulation, and things start getting very far from exact... |
[14:09:05] | Dagmar: | Add to this the convenient confusion about whether or not a megabyte means 1024k, or a mere 1000k, and you have the "smoke" part of the "smoke and mirrors" that are used to sell routers to people all wrapped up. |
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[14:51:49] | Dagmar: | Okay, prolly 90% complete now. http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Executive_Overview |
[14:52:11] | Dagmar: | I should go back later and cull out some of the (many) parenthetical digressions (that I write so many of). |
[14:54:04] | fryfrog: | is this for executives only ? :( |
[14:54:42] | Dagmar: | In that executives need small words, and there's mainly only small words in there (I'm still auditing that actually)... |
[14:54:59] | Dagmar: | I'm just tired of hearing the questions in here from people who have *no* damn clue how any of it works |
[14:55:17] | Dagmar: | The picture alone should sort out most of them. |
[14:55:30] | fryfrog: | ahhaha |
[14:55:36] | Dagmar: | ...which is why I tried to make sure it would be visible along the lower edge of the page as it loads. ;) |
[14:55:38] | fryfrog: | i don't think myth supports anythying but mysql, right? |
[14:55:51] | Dagmar: | I have heard that you can use Postgres with a patch |
[14:56:17] | fryfrog: | ah |
[14:56:18] | Dagmar: | I started to mention that in there, but figured it would just confuse people and I've been trying to keep it *non* technical so the morons won't balk |
[14:56:22] | fryfrog: | better to make it future proof |
[14:56:42] | Dagmar: | Better they read the whole thing and then realize it's too much trouble, than spend three nights driving us nuts before giving up and buying a TiVo |
[14:57:14] | Dagmar: | Oh wait, I *did* leave the Postgres mention in there |
[14:57:23] | Dagmar: | "Don't get crazy and try using beta or development versions of MySQL (like 5.1.x) or Postgres unless you're a very experienced programmer and fully intend to take on debugging and patching things to work without any outside help. (This is directed at you, Gentoo users.)" |
[14:58:50] | Dagmar: | I should kill that out later |
[15:00:38] | tracy: | naa, i just got to that part and rofl |
[15:00:41] | fryfrog: | so 5.1 is the one to avoid with myth? |
[15:00:44] | fryfrog: | not 5.0? |
[15:01:22] | Dagmar: | If you can actually *find* the non-existant 5.1 MySQL, then more power to you |
[15:01:33] | fryfrog: | oh :) |
[15:01:43] | Dagmar: | 5.0 is *supposed* to work okay with 0.20, but I keep seeing the occasional weird error report that seems to always be from people using 5.0 |
[15:01:59] | Dagmar: | See, I have *some* future-proofing in there. |
[15:02:03] | Dagmar: | :) |
[15:02:12] | fryfrog: | The amount of disk space it needs varies depending on a number of factors (whether or not you have a massive music collection, or whether you only have four or five broadcast channels to worry about) but ranges between 256Mb of disk space (comfortable minimum) and 1Gb of disk space (not many people will ever get beyond this). |
[15:02:18] | fryfrog: | ? |
[15:02:23] | fryfrog: | 256mb – 1g? |
[15:02:43] | fryfrog: | is that just for myth and the mysql db? |
[15:02:52] | Dagmar: | I let the thing browse up my mp3 collection and my DB promptly jumped to about ~512Mb |
[15:03:03] | Dagmar: | ...as in browsed up the *entire* collection |
[15:03:09] | Dagmar: | I only have copies of the CDs I own. |
[15:03:17] | fryfrog: | ah, okay so you don't include the actual tv shows |
[15:03:21] | Dagmar: | ...which is like ~400 or so |
[15:03:24] | fryfrog: | yeah, my mythdb is pretty big too |
[15:03:31] | Dagmar: | Yeah, that's *just* the database I'm talking about there |
[15:03:43] | Dagmar: | If that thing gets full and the database dies, it's going to be *ugly* |
[15:03:48] | fryfrog: | you might want to clarify that some how |
[15:04:03] | Dagmar: | It's in the section about teh database, or so I thought... Lemme look again |
[15:04:32] | fryfrog: | i might have missed it :) |
[15:04:34] | Dagmar: | Yeah, it's definitly mentioned in conjunction with the database in both places |
[15:04:59] | fryfrog: | i would just say "the database" instead of "it" |
[15:05:00] | fryfrog: | in that phrase |
[15:05:26] | Dagmar: | No thanks. |
[15:05:53] | Dagmar: | It's in a section referring exclusively to the database, I use the phrase "the database" in the previous sentence so there's semantic linkage... |
[15:06:17] | fryfrog: | okay, if you feel thats best |
[15:06:21] | Dagmar: | I think it's actually quite clear there that it's the database server element that needs that particular chunk of space to itself |
[15:06:55] | Dagmar: | Unless someone stops right there and doesn't go on to read the section about the backend, they're not likely to be able to think Myth only needs 256Mb *total* unless they're really, really high |
[15:08:32] | fryfrog: | ... "being about 600Mhz for machines with only one (non-framegrabbing) tuner and a frontend playing back SD content only (HD content would be pushing your luck)" .. |
[15:08:43] | fryfrog: | HD content would be impossible to play back w/ 600mhz |
[15:08:46] | Dagmar: | I just added a little more "coloring" to the first sentence tho, so hopefullyt it'll stick in people's heads |
[15:09:05] | Dagmar: | I dunno. Technically 720p is HD, and maybe 480p as well. |
[15:09:15] | Dagmar: | I can change that verbiage tho. :) |
[15:09:22] | Dagmar: | I just thought of something better. |
[15:09:36] | fryfrog: | though 600mhz could probably *record* hd |
[15:09:42] | fryfrog: | 1.2ghz almost surely could |
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[15:10:41] | fryfrog: | "MythTV does not rely heavily on the network" |
[15:10:42] | Dagmar: | With a hardware accellerated card you could probably record HD on a 300Mhz CPU, but I wouldnt' recommend wasting the power on it |
[15:10:45] | fryfrog: | might read better as "internet" |
[15:11:00] | fryfrog: | er, there aren't any "hardware accelerated" hd cards |
[15:11:05] | Dagmar: | I'm referring to even the in-house components there |
[15:11:08] | fryfrog: | hd is already in mpeg2, so it really is just writing the stream to disk |
[15:11:40] | fryfrog: | oh yeah, i guess if you have a mysql/fe/be single machine network doesn't even matter :) |
[15:11:55] | Dagmar: | I can type "hardware acellerated" or I can type "cards wot you don't have to use the CPU to encode with" |
[15:12:16] | fryfrog: | ahah |
[15:12:19] | jd86: | my backend is using amazing amounts of cpu and is only recording one thing, load average is topping 2.80 at the moment, is there any way to track why its so high? |
[15:12:34] | jd86: | Dec 23 10:10:03 tvbox ivtv0: All encoder MPEG stream buffers are full. Dropping data. |
[15:12:34] | jd86: | Dec 23 10:10:03 tvbox ivtv0: Cause: the application is not reading fast enough. |
[15:12:35] | fryfrog: | what are you recording, what are you recording with? |
[15:12:42] | Dagmar: | ...but since the point of that passage is that a wired 10base-T network should be fine and people don't need to rush out and buy a gigabit ethernet switch and start snaking cat6 cables through their walls... |
[15:12:54] | jd86: | lots of those in /var/log/messages, i have 3 cards in this box, I believbe the one its using is an pvr-150 |
[15:13:06] | Dagmar: | Use top |
[15:13:29] | jd86: | load average is down to 2, but mythbackend is using all of the cpu... |
[15:13:37] | Dagmar: | Something's definitely going a bit crazy if the load avg is 2 |
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[15:14:27] | Dagmar: | Something other than jsut the backend has to be doing something there, |
[15:14:58] | GreyFoxx: | jd86: Top shows mythbackend at close to 100% ? |
[15:14:58] | fryfrog: | Dagmar: i would honestly change the networking section a little. I don't think I would mention 10mbit at all, that has been obsolete and you can't really buy new hardware that supports it (well, NICs do) |
[15:15:11] | jd86: | GreyFoxx, yes |
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[15:15:25] | Dagmar: | fryfrog: Yeah, but some people have it, and a lot of people use LInux specifically because it allows them to recycle hardware that Windows has outgrown |
[15:15:28] | GreyFoxx: | jd86: out of curiousity, got an xbox 360 on your network ? |
[15:15:28] | fryfrog: | maybe mention 100mbit and 1000mbit, since that is what most networks will be using |
[15:15:38] | jd86: | GreyFoxx, nope |
[15:15:46] | Dagmar: | Most home people actually aren't going to be using gigE yet |
[15:15:51] | fryfrog: | anyone in *here* using 10mbit for anything except their cable modem? |
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[15:16:18] | Dagmar: | ...and like I said, I'm mainly trying to make it clear that so long as it's not token ring over barbed wire and gum wrappers, whatever network they have will probably be fine |
[15:16:22] | juski: | whee there I go. rip the dvd, turn the vobs into wavs, put the wavs into vegas, split em into tracks, save each track as a wav, drop the wavs into sonicstage. oof |
[15:16:24] | GreyFoxx: | jd86: ok, there where a couple bugs in the upnp server code that would cause 100% cpu, the easiest trigger is booting a 360 on your network |
[15:16:26] | GreyFoxx: | there are others though |
[15:16:44] | GreyFoxx: | Have you tried restarting mythackend ? |
[15:16:52] | juski: | 'just put the sound from those dvds onto minidisc' she said |
[15:17:04] | jd86: | well this happens a few times and I assume restarting it would fix it, but looking for a long term solution so I don't miss all my shows |
[15:17:17] | juski: | shoulda bought the kid a portable dvd player instead |
[15:17:28] | GreyFoxx: | jd86: try running the backend with --noupnp |
[15:17:28] | Dagmar: | fryfrog: At least once a week we see someone in here who's so suffering from clueitis that they think they need to go to raid striping for throughput so they can play and record at the same time |
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[15:17:51] | GreyFoxx: | jd86: Assuming you are using a new enough version of -fixes or trunk |
[15:17:52] | jd86: | GreyFoxx, I'll add that to its command options and see if it ever happens again |
[15:18:00] | jd86: | GreyFoxx, it isn't that new |
[15:18:20] | GreyFoxx: | jd86: I can't remember when it was first put in off hand |
[15:18:39] | jd86: | GreyFoxx, well it can't hurt |
[15:18:58] | fryfrog: | 10mbit network != raid :) |
[15:19:22] | fryfrog: | 10mbit is only like 1mb / sec, which is basically only SD (maybe a few streams of it) |
[15:20:06] | Dagmar: | Enough to feed four TVs without much of a struggle |
[15:20:40] | fryfrog: | 2.2G is 0.6mb/sec |
[15:20:58] | fryfrog: | so 10mbit is *maybe* enough for 2 streams, but that is near theoretical peak |
[15:21:10] | fryfrog: | 1.2mb / sec from 10mbit would be *all* of the bandwidth basically |
[15:21:35] | fryfrog: | and it isn't switched at all, so just another box doing something on a 10mbit network would almost certainly make 2 streams impossible |
[15:21:38] | juski: | who has 10mbit networks these days? |
[15:21:41] | fryfrog: | no one |
[15:21:44] | fryfrog: | well |
[15:21:48] | fryfrog: | actually, my work :( |
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[15:21:51] | Dagmar: | Heh |
[15:21:51] | GreyFoxx: | jd86: It was added in changeset 11533 on Oct 15 |
[15:21:55] | fryfrog: | all our desktops are running at 10mbit :( |
[15:22:00] | Dagmar: | Romanians. :) |
[15:22:13] | ** Paladine encumbers fryfrog with a token ring +5 of slowness ** | |
[15:22:16] | jd86: | GreyFoxx, i'll check when I checked it out |
[15:22:19] | fryfrog: | I'm just saying, your networking paragraph is *very* friendly to 10mbit |
[15:22:40] | fryfrog: | I would just alter it to imply 100mbit is best, but that *some* users could be okay with 10mbit |
[15:22:42] | Dagmar: | I changed to mention HD content, although it already recommended going to 100base-T if the user is aiming for using multiple backends |
[15:22:50] | Dagmar: | ...or mulitple frontends |
[15:24:17] | fryfrog: | "but with some channels it may be a bit like "drinking from the fire hose" if your machine is underpowered." <--- hahah :) |
[15:24:52] | Dagmar: | That was the exact phrase one of the KnoppMyth devs used in Oct 2005 when he came to PhreakNIC after having just gotten firewire recording working a few days before |
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[15:25:09] | jd86: | where can I check when the svn was checked out for mythtv? |
[15:25:22] | Dagmar: | trac.mythtv.org |
[15:25:40] | GreyFoxx: | jd86: if oyu compiled from source, go to the source dir and type svn info |
[15:25:46] | jd86: | alright |
[15:26:03] | jd86: | Revision: 11375 |
[15:26:05] | tcpsyn: | does anyone have a dcp501? |
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[15:26:19] | GreyFoxx: | jd86: So you don't have it or the other upnp fixes |
[15:27:34] | jd86: | GreyFoxx, I'm going to upgrade to a non svn version (this svn is old, but I have a mythtv frontend that is running a version) unless you think svn has a lot of fixes since .20_p11626 |
[15:28:51] | Dagmar: | The number is a lot higher now |
[15:29:06] | jd86: | So upgrading to a svn would be a good idea? |
[15:29:07] | fryfrog: | From highest- to lowest-quality, the order of consideration is: HDMI, DVI (both of which are digital), VGA, Component, S-Video and finally Composite (all of the rest are analog). |
[15:29:09] | GreyFoxx: | All I can say is whatever you use, try to keep it at the same number, but fyi there have been hundreds of commits since then |
[15:29:11] | fryfrog: | I made a small edit |
[15:29:18] | fryfrog: | you forgot component in the sentence (but not in the title) |
[15:29:18] | GreyFoxx: | jd86: are you running -fixes now ? |
[15:29:27] | fryfrog: | and i pointed out that the first two are digital, the rest are analog |
[15:29:55] | jd86: | the version running on 1 frontend and 1 backend is just plain not -fixes, the version I setup on this new frontened is a release (that release) on gentoo whatever they used |
[15:30:00] | jd86: | GreyFoxx, would you suggest I use -fixes? |
[15:30:27] | GreyFoxx: | jd86: If 0.20 release is generally working for you, then I would stick to -fixes |
[15:31:01] | jd86: | GreyFoxx, well previously I've been always svn from the non -fixes, and I'm not afraid to break everything if there is the potiental to gain some cool stuff and new fixes, what would you do? |
[15:31:07] | GreyFoxx: | ahhh ok |
[15:31:16] | GreyFoxx: | in that case I personally always run svn trunk :) |
[15:31:27] | jd86: | will do |
[15:31:34] | GreyFoxx: | upgrade every saturday, more if there is changes I want from watching the commtis list |
[15:31:49] | fryfrog: | Dagmar: have you ever seen an HDMI connector? |
[15:32:04] | Dagmar: | I'm about to go *back* to 0.20-fixes if I can't figure out just what the hell is making my program guide hard-lock the machine |
[15:32:20] | Dagmar: | fryfrog: Not close enough to remember it as being anything other than "vaguely rectangular" |
[15:32:25] | jd86: | GreyFoxx, I wish I had more time to dedicate to getting everything working the way I'd like here, but its just been hacking things together because I work so much, and going to school full time (working almost full time, school full time... fun stuff but not much time for mythtv) |
[15:32:57] | Dagmar: | fryfrog: In the vein of "executives like pictures" I'm going back later and doing little illustrations of what each of those connectors usually look like |
[15:33:25] | Dagmar: | fryfrog: It's always best to err on the side of stupidity with "executive" overviews. |
[15:33:50] | fryfrog: | i had to fix up the HDMI and DVI spots, sorry :) |
[15:33:54] | Dagmar: | No problem |
[15:34:09] | fryfrog: | HDMI almost looks like a double wide USB port |
[15:34:20] | fryfrog: | or maybe a tripple wide mini-usb port like on a camera |
[15:34:24] | Dagmar: | I would have said a "grande" version of a mini-USB cable, personally, now that I've seen http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-Definition_ . . . ia_Interface |
[15:34:36] | fryfrog: | grande :) |
[15:34:40] | fryfrog: | sure, thats good :) |
[15:34:56] | fryfrog: | and the *video* portion (asside from HDCP) is the same between DVI and HDMI |
[15:35:06] | fryfrog: | which is why you can get a $5 DVI -> HDMI cable |
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[15:35:21] | fryfrog: | the real big diff is that HDMI is designed to carry digital audio as well |
[15:35:31] | jd86: | I wonder if I should upgrade kernel while I'm at it, this box has been running for ages |
[15:35:33] | fryfrog: | (well, and cripple you with HDCP :) |
[15:35:34] | Dagmar: | Well, I can't exactly split the page down the middle so HDMI and DVI can be side by side |
[15:35:51] | Dagmar: | I figured I'd use "most expensive" as the second level sort |
[15:36:05] | fryfrog: | nah, i'd still rank hdmi above dvi |
[15:36:09] | fryfrog: | it carries audio as well :) |
[15:36:11] | fryfrog: | less cable! |
[15:36:13] | Dagmar: | Personally the copy protection stuff in it doesn't really thrill me |
[15:36:34] | Dagmar: | Yeah, I know it does audio as well, which is why it was at the top from my first scribble |
[15:36:38] | fryfrog: | me either, but if you are hooking your pc -> tv with it, it doesn't really come into play |
[15:36:52] | fryfrog: | well, unless maybe you end upw ith an HD dvd of some sorts |
[15:37:00] | Dagmar: | Whether or not anyone's video card has a simple way to get the audio out of your PC and to your display device *under Linux* is somehting I've *zero* idea about |
[15:37:03] | fryfrog: | but since you are running linux for myth, no hd dvd for you! |
[15:37:26] | fryfrog: | Dagmar: i've seen a few mini motherboards with hdmi output, but no mention of weather it includes audio or not |
[15:37:39] | fryfrog: | you'd think if it were built *into* the motherboard, they could simply hardware an spdif port to it... |
[15:37:43] | fryfrog: | but who knows |
[15:37:43] | jd86: | Sorry for being a noob, but what is Xvmc and do i need support for it when building mythtv? |
[15:37:50] | Dagmar: | XV Motion Compression |
[15:37:56] | fryfrog: | jd86: only if you have an nvidia card and *want* to use it |
[15:38:03] | juski: | xvmc == X Video Motion Compensation actually |
[15:38:04] | jd86: | so its not something I should bother with |
[15:38:08] | Dagmar: | If you're using an nVidia card, or an EPIA board with the Unichrome driver, you want XVMC support |
[15:38:12] | fryfrog: | it can reduce the cpu load playing back mpeg2, which is not really much of a deal when doing SD |
[15:38:18] | fryfrog: | if you are doing HD, it might be worth it |
[15:38:20] | juski: | helps offload mpeg2 decoding to the GPU |
[15:38:22] | Dagmar: | yeah, but it's still helpful |
[15:38:36] | jd86: | alright, i'll compile it in then :) |
[15:38:42] | Dagmar: | No sense in blowing clockcycles on playback that can be used for transcoding or commercial flagging |
[15:39:01] | Dagmar: | jd86: Good plan, espcially considering you can just configure it not to use it via the frontend |
[15:39:21] | jd86: | Dagmar, now there are a ton of different options for xvmc in configure, all of them or just the main --enable-xvmc ? |
[15:39:45] | fryfrog: | jd86: the other options are for the type of xvmc |
[15:39:49] | fryfrog: | what video card are you using? |
[15:39:50] | Dagmar: | jd86: Just the main one unless you have an EPIA board, in which case you'll probably add --enable-xvmc-pro. I think the other options are all actually broken at the moment |
[15:39:59] | jd86: | alright |
[15:40:11] | Dagmar: | Certainly as of last week they resulted in me having a black screen for video with my nVidia card |
[15:40:39] | Dagmar: | Then it was a matter of them not being complete yet. No idea if they're complete now |
[15:41:01] | jd86: | Now how do all of you go about removing mythtv before installing the newly updated svn version, just make uninstall ? |
[15:41:13] | fryfrog: | Dagmar: contrary to popular belief, component does not split the signal into RGB |
[15:41:15] | Dagmar: | At some point I have to get aroubd to enabling that fancy hack to actually turn on XVMC for the overlay stuff |
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[15:41:18] | fryfrog: | that would be an RGB |
[15:41:28] | fryfrog: | component is actually much more like svideo, but with more cables |
[15:41:35] | Dagmar: | fryfrog: I was under the impression that the RGB was commonly called "component" |
[15:41:39] | juski: | nah |
[15:41:42] | fryfrog: | yes and no |
[15:41:52] | fryfrog: | a lot of older tvs and monitors *could* take an RGB signal |
[15:41:55] | juski: | component is colour difference signals whereas RGB is just red green & blue |
[15:41:57] | fryfrog: | but component is really not RGB |
[15:42:14] | fryfrog: | *but* for some reason, their cables are *coded* in red green and blue :p |
[15:42:19] | BULLE: | fryfrog: py pb pr |
[15:42:22] | fryfrog: | guess they needed some colors |
[15:42:24] | fryfrog: | yeah, thats it |
[15:42:29] | Dagmar: | OKay, well, it is a wiki. I've never seen it really used on anything but hella-expensive studio monitors and SUN workstations |
[15:42:38] | Dr_willis: | I got some C64 monitors that could take RGB |
[15:42:41] | BULLE: | fryfrog: scart does RGB though |
[15:42:42] | fryfrog: | RGB, yes |
[15:42:44] | fryfrog: | component, no |
[15:42:56] | fryfrog: | component is basically the most popular way of doing HD |
[15:43:10] | jduggan: | yo juski any advice on specific hardware to improve my freeview reception? |
[15:43:29] | Dagmar: | Foil-wrapped hotdog on the antenna. |
[15:43:30] | Dagmar: | ;) |
[15:43:30] | juski: | jduggan: get a proper aerial? |
[15:43:42] | juski: | a 'U' one |
[15:43:45] | jduggan: | juski: atm im using a 10db booster which has given me from no freeview reception to full, but i occasionally get blocking |
[15:43:49] | jduggan: | its loft mounted |
[15:43:58] | juski: | and upgrade the coax to ct100 or better |
[15:44:05] | jduggan: | okay |
[15:44:11] | jduggan: | will look into that coax thing |
[15:44:17] | juski: | if you get occasional blocking it's more than likely pulse interference |
[15:44:20] | Dagmar: | fryfrog: Thanks for filling me in on the difference there. I'll definitely have to do more digging this morning |
[15:44:25] | juski: | which better coax will help prevent |
[15:44:36] | Dagmar: | Holy mother of christ |
[15:44:38] | Dagmar: | "Type B is designed to support resolutions higher than WQSXGA (3200x2048)." |
[15:44:49] | Dagmar: | Farking IMAX-resolution |
[15:45:06] | juski: | scooters, light switches, hairdryers (see scooters) are all enemies of digital telly |
[15:45:07] | fryfrog: | satilite |
[15:45:12] | fryfrog: | danit, how do you spell satalite? |
[15:45:16] | Dagmar: | I suppose next will be WOMFGSXGA |
[15:45:16] | juski: | satellite |
[15:45:29] | jduggan: | juski: perhaps once in every 2hours of using my freeview box i get blocking like i used to get with my sky in bad weather.. it lasts a few minutes then corrects itself |
[15:45:35] | Dagmar: | Don't forget $9 TV jammers |
[15:45:39] | juski: | jduggan: taxis? |
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[15:45:57] | condood: | woop :) |
[15:46:02] | jduggan: | juski: i dont understand, what you mean by taxis :) |
[15:46:06] | juski: | a 'universal band' (Group U) aerial might help too |
[15:46:10] | jduggan: | okay |
[15:46:10] | juski: | taxi radios |
[15:46:14] | jduggan: | ooh |
[15:46:35] | jduggan: | hmm dont think so |
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[15:47:52] | jduggan: | i'll show you the aerial i bought from maplins.. http://www.maplin.co.uk/Module.aspx?ModuleNo= . . . mp;doy=23m12 <--- their site says suitable weak/moderate/strong signals.. the box of the one i actually have only says moderate/strong.. perhaps its a model difference but they look the same |
[15:48:11] | fryfrog: | there, fixed that section up a little |
[15:48:15] | jduggan: | so you think its worth upgrading that aerial? |
[15:49:15] | condood: | Anyone of you got an xorg.conf Screen Section part for a Philips Cineos (32PF7520, 32") ?.. or any tipps/sites to get this working.. i have connected the DVI with the HDMI port to the tv.. but i have no clue what to change within the xorg.conf.. |
[15:49:37] | fryfrog: | condood: blech, i hated finding the modeline for my sony |
[15:49:44] | condood: | word |
[15:49:51] | fryfrog: | try searching google for something like "modeline" and your tv model name or number |
[15:50:06] | jduggan: | juski: ive also ordered ntl cable so i'll probably be poking you for advice when it gets installed :P |
[15:50:07] | condood: | ok, thanks :) |
[15:50:08] | fryfrog: | you might also run accross a wiki with *tons* of "generic" definitions, which is what i ended up using |
[15:50:14] | Dr_willis: | hmm.. isent X supposed to use that essid stuff to get modelines? |
[15:50:21] | Dr_willis: | not essid.. what was it called... grrr... |
[15:50:25] | fryfrog: | Dr_willis: in theory |
[15:50:27] | juski: | jduggan: don't ask me about it, honestly |
[15:50:27] | fryfrog: | ssid |
[15:50:30] | fryfrog: | no uhhh |
[15:50:36] | jduggan: | juski: heh okay |
[15:50:36] | fryfrog: | damn, no i forget what its called :) |
[15:50:44] | fryfrog: | but yeah, in theory it should get the info from the tv |
[15:51:01] | fryfrog: | but in practice, a lot of tv makers don't bother with putting all the details or even the correct details in there |
[15:51:05] | fryfrog: | my sony doesn't |
[15:51:11] | condood: | fryfrog, any chance of remembering the name? |
[15:51:19] | fryfrog: | of the mode? |
[15:51:21] | fryfrog: | or the site? |
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[15:51:29] | condood: | the site.. with the generic configs |
[15:51:30] | condood: | a generic config to alteast get somewhat of a picture would be great.. |
[15:51:34] | condood: | :> |
[15:52:49] | fryfrog: | condood: http://fryfrog.com/files/xorg.conf |
[15:53:02] | fryfrog: | check out my "monitor" section |
[15:53:31] | fryfrog: | Modeline "ATSC-720–60p" 74.16 1280 1320 1376 1648 720 722 728 750 |
[15:53:31] | condood: | thanks |
[15:53:33] | fryfrog: | i think i use that one |
[15:53:50] | fryfrog: | i had to tell x to ignore edid |
[15:53:51] | fryfrog: | data |
[15:53:54] | fryfrog: | thats it, edid :) |
[15:54:12] | Dagmar: | What is that display's native resolution? |
[15:54:30] | fryfrog: | 1280x720 |
[15:54:35] | BULLE: | nah |
[15:54:36] | fryfrog: | its a 720p |
[15:54:39] | fryfrog: | oh |
[15:54:41] | fryfrog: | mine or his? |
[15:54:45] | BULLE: | his |
[15:54:49] | fryfrog: | oh duh :) |
[15:54:52] | Dagmar: | Yours, fryfrog... |
[15:54:58] | BULLE: | yours i dont know =) |
[15:55:02] | Dagmar: | So like, why don't you just tell X to run it at 1280x720? |
[15:55:08] | Dagmar: | Or rather, what happens when you do that? |
[15:55:28] | fryfrog: | Dagmar: thats what i originally tried, but for some reason or another it doesn't work right |
[15:55:35] | Dagmar: | I've set up three or four people's overpriced displays here and I've really not had a problem with just telling X reasonably normal (as in not needing a modeline) stuff |
[15:55:35] | fryfrog: | its been a while, so i'm not sure what the problem was |
[15:55:43] | Dagmar: | Okay. |
[15:55:49] | Dagmar: | It could easily have been cracked out EDID info |
[15:55:50] | fryfrog: | i *think* X might not have had the 16:9 ratios as "normal" modes? |
[15:56:07] | fryfrog: | oh yeah, *mine* returns retarded edid info to X |
[15:56:10] | BULLE: | they dont sell displays with 1280x720 resolution here in northern europe |
[15:56:11] | Dagmar: | Yeah, the ones of those it has are kinda hit-or-miss |
[15:56:21] | BULLE: | they all seem to use 1366x768 |
[15:56:22] | fryfrog: | like, it tells it the max reso it will do is a 4:3 800x600 or something stupid |
[15:56:28] | Dagmar: | I've seen one display that was 1306 horizontal. |
[15:57:11] | Dagmar: | Without telling it to disregard EDID I've not had a problem with anything that wasn't a reasonably sane pixel size |
[15:57:15] | fryfrog: | lets see what read-edid says |
[15:57:25] | Dagmar: | er beyond telling it to disregard EDID |
[15:57:27] | fryfrog: | the other problem i have is that I have *massive* overscan :( |
[15:58:15] | Dagmar: | Mainly also telling it how many cm the display is with DisplaySize has seemed to take care of aspect ratio issues on the one display that came out all weird |
[15:58:38] | fryfrog: | http://pastebin.ca/289962 |
[15:58:50] | fryfrog: | oh, how do i do that? |
[15:58:54] | fryfrog: | cause i *do* have that problem |
[15:59:55] | Dagmar: | Well, by specifying displaysize figures that a) have the right ratio between them, and b) come out to exactly 100DPI no matter what |
[16:00:06] | fryfrog: | Mode "16x2304" # vfreq 6.158Hz, hfreq 26.800kHz |
[16:00:07] | fryfrog: | ahha |
[16:00:16] | Dagmar: | DisplaySize seems to override EDID info thankfully |
[16:00:30] | Dagmar: | Sixteen by 2304? Eek |
[16:00:32] | fryfrog: | so how would i add a display size entry? |
[16:00:41] | fryfrog: | just measure the vert / horiz width of my tv and put it in? |
[16:00:50] | juski: | displaysize 400 225, for example |
[16:00:51] | Dagmar: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Display_Size |
[16:00:57] | Dagmar: | I made a nice detailed page about that one |
[16:01:08] | fryfrog: | ah, cool |
[16:01:44] | Dagmar: | If EDID is out of whack, it made the fonts come out *stupid* sizes with 0.19, so I had to find a good way to fixor it |
[16:01:56] | Dagmar: | It was actually overcompensating for size differences |
[16:02:24] | Dagmar: | 112 DPI would get you absurdly large fonts, and 60 DPI would get you fonts literally about three pixels high (which is just impossibly wrong) |
[16:03:10] | Dagmar: | ...and cheapass manufacturers seem to like to use the same EEPROM in all their monitors, whether they're 15" or 21" in size |
[16:03:48] | fryfrog: | Dagmar: thanks, I never knew how "display size" worked :) |
[16:03:51] | Dagmar: | BTW, I prefer ddcinfo (from ddcinfo-kanotix) to that tool you were just using. I don't really need to know what exact queries it's making... I just wanna know the results. :) |
[16:04:25] | fryfrog: | doesn't appear to be in ubuntu's repositorys |
[16:04:31] | fryfrog: | unless its part of another package? |
[16:04:39] | Dagmar: | fryfrog: I'd kinda like to know why they chose to be little sadists about it and have the monitors report in cm when it's almost always going to turn into a diddles per INCH calculation, making the math that much more annoying when you're doing it by hand |
[16:05:12] | Dagmar: | fryfrog: I just grabbed it from some site or other when I couldn't find the original ddcinfo source package one dya |
[16:05:53] | Dagmar: | Might be listed as ddcxinfo instead of ddcinfo, because mainly what people use it for are the mods that have been made to it that make it just spit out pre-formed chunks of an xorg.conf file |
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[16:06:37] | Dagmar: | I could have sworn Knoppix was using it at the very least |
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[16:13:39] | Cybertoy: | anyone use mythstream? |
[16:15:28] | Zider: | yes |
[16:18:08] | Cybertoy: | I can't get any streams to work.... although looking at this it seems like my problem is mplayer related |
[16:18:31] | Zider: | check the debug output |
[16:18:48] | Cybertoy: | I can see the mplayer process start |
[16:18:57] | Cybertoy: | and when I try that command manually it's not working either |
[16:19:07] | Zider: | must be mplayer then |
[16:19:10] | Cybertoy: | yeah |
[16:19:15] | Cybertoy: | let me fool around it a bit more |
[16:19:17] | Cybertoy: | tnx |
[16:19:53] | Cybertoy: | maybe all the streams in the default store are all broken. |
[16:22:50] | Cybertoy: | ok .. I think I know what the problem is |
[16:23:01] | Cybertoy: | do you know where I can change the mplayer command line settings? |
[16:23:28] | Zider: | there's an xml file installed with mythstream |
[16:23:35] | Zider: | don't remember where it is tho |
[16:23:45] | Cybertoy: | probably /usr/local/share/mythtv..... |
[16:23:47] | Zider: | or you can use a config file |
[16:23:48] | Cybertoy: | let's see |
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[16:26:06] | [Chief]: | hey guys, does somebody know, how i can access video files on a DVD with mythtv? |
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[16:30:46] | alsoconfused: | [Chief]: i do that by keeping a symlink in the mythvideo directory e.g. ln -s /mnt/cdrom /my/videocollection/cdrom |
[16:34:35] | [Chief]: | thx for the answer, but my system SuSE 10.1 don't do a automount |
[16:35:30] | alsoconfused: | in that case, you can set up a pseudo filetype that runs a script to mount the disk |
[16:38:53] | [Chief]: | how can i make that? |
[16:40:26] | [Chief]: | or, does anybody know how to enable the automount in suse |
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[16:42:27] | alsoconfused: | [Chief]: something like this: filetype=mountcd player=/bin/bash. then make a scriptfile called /my/videocollection/CD1.mountcd |
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[16:44:21] | crudpuppy: | how can I reset the resolutions I set in the setup option in myth? |
[16:44:36] | crudpuppy: | I set it up for seperate resolutions and tv works great now, but the menu is bonkers |
[16:44:37] | crudpuppy: | lol |
[16:46:05] | [Chief]: | alsoconfused: thx, will try it later |
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[16:48:23] | jd86: | Anyone know what the plugin mythcontrols does? |
[16:48:47] | GreyFoxx: | for remapping keys and jumppoints I believe |
[16:48:58] | condood: | fryfrog, Dagmar, i dont get any further with my Xorg.. would you care to help me a bit? since its xmas and all of that *g* ... my config: http://sial.org/pbot/21947 and the Xorg.0.log: http://sial.org/pbot/21947 .. it starts up and only shows me a "no signal" like bluescreen on the LCD, which is a "Philips 32PF9531/10" .. using a ATI Radeon 9100 .. i tried googling very much fryfrog .. but i just dont find anything |
[16:48:59] | jd86: | how about zoneminder ? |
[16:48:59] | condood: | :/ |
[16:49:30] | GreyFoxx: | jd86: Interfaces to the zoneminder secrity camera stuff |
[16:49:35] | GreyFoxx: | google for zoneminder :) |
[16:50:02] | jd86: | okthanks |
[16:50:13] | crudpuppy: | this sucks, I can only see part of my menu now, so I cant get back to setup in mythfrontend to fix it |
[16:50:14] | crudpuppy: | lol |
[16:50:33] | mirak: | hi |
[16:50:39] | mirak: | anyone is good with lirc ? |
[16:50:44] | GreyFoxx: | crudpuppy: What did you do ? |
[16:51:22] | mirak: | is ther a way to handle more than one programm at the same time with lirc ? |
[16:52:15] | mirak: | that's independent of mythtv as a question but I am wondering |
[16:52:23] | mirak: | and asking in case anyone knows |
[16:52:27] | alsoconfused: | mirak: only if they use different remotes or at least a different set of buttons |
[16:52:52] | mirak: | alsoconfused: it's like one layer is missing in lirc |
[16:52:52] | alsoconfused: | mirak: or different modes of the remote |
[16:53:21] | alsoconfused: | mirak: which layer is that? |
[16:53:41] | mirak: | for exemple change the mode at lirc level, so that even with same IR codes it would produce different function codes, if you switch the mode |
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[16:54:21] | mirak: | anyway I bought an harmony remote so I can use many devices, but, switching mode at OS level could be usefull |
[16:54:35] | mirak: | alsoconfused: you see what I mean ? |
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[16:55:27] | flolo: | hello all |
[16:55:31] | flolo: | got a compiling problem |
[16:55:36] | flolo: | undefined reference to |
[16:55:44] | flolo: | DiSEqCDevTree::Execute(DiSEqCDevSettings const&, DVBTuning const&) |
[16:55:50] | flolo: | DiSEqCDevLNB::GetIntermediateFrequency(DiSEqCDevSettings const&, DVBTuning const&) const |
[16:55:54] | flolo: | and |
[16:56:02] | flolo: | TransportScanItem::TransportScanItem(int, QString const&, QString const&, DVBTuning&, unsigned int) |
[16:56:27] | alsoconfused: | mirak: i think you could do that by setting up different versions of /etc/lircd.conf and restarting the daemon |
[16:56:29] | mirak: | alsoconfused: in fact maybe there could be a a second daemon that can switch mode, this one would connect to /dev/lirc0 and would create a /dev/lirc1 device |
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[16:57:32] | mirak: | alsoconfused: problem is that applications doesn't handle lirc restart. they lose the lirc connection |
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[16:58:41] | Bernardo: | Hi |
[16:59:57] | alsoconfused: | mirak: man lircd says it reloads config when it receives SIGHUP |
[17:00:48] | mirak: | I don't have the man I built my own lirc |
[17:02:56] | alsoconfused: | mirak: so did i. check /usr/local/man/man8/lircd.8 |
[17:05:34] | juski: | http://www.elfyourself.com/?userid=19e841a03a . . . d32G06122308 |
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[17:07:12] | jd86: | do i need X on my backend if it isn't running a frontend? |
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[17:07:45] | GreyFoxx: | jd86: Yes |
[17:07:53] | GreyFoxx: | doesn't need to run, but you need it's libraries and such |
[17:07:56] | jd86: | alright |
[17:08:02] | GreyFoxx: | plus It's handy for running mythtv-setup and such :) |
[17:08:04] | jd86: | I figured as much, but I also thought it was worth asking |
[17:08:16] | alsoconfused: | mirak: i just tried changing lircd.conf and HUPing the daemon. it works as advertised. |
[17:08:19] | kharan5876: | can you map lirc commands to load plugins? like have a remote button do the Play DVD command from the mythtv menu? |
[17:08:36] | GreyFoxx: | kharan5876: You can map buttons to jumpppoints |
[17:08:46] | GreyFoxx: | I don't know if there is a playdvd jumpppoint or not |
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[17:09:31] | kharan5876: | on mythweb you can set keyboard commands to jump points like watch tv and manage reocordings but there were none for plugin specific commands |
[17:09:33] | Dagmar: | You can thank the Qt dependency for needing X libraries on the backend that otherwise are not used even a tiny little bit |
[17:09:48] | GreyFoxx: | kharan5876: Then you have your answer |
[17:09:57] | kharan5876: | bleh ok |
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[17:10:50] | jd86: | (only reason I was trying to get around the whole X thing is I'm on gentoo, and this box has xorg 6.9, which is pre modularization and now i need to switch it and its going to be a pain even if i don't use it) |
[17:10:56] | alsoconfused: | kharan5876: there is a playdvd jumppoint. |
[17:11:51] | kharan5876: | oh yeah? could you point me to a doc or tutorial somewhere that lists them? |
[17:12:15] | jd86: | I'm having a ton of trouble compiling mythplugins, here is the common thing: main.cpp:6:34: mythtv/mythpluginapi.h: No such file or directory |
[17:12:16] | GreyFoxx: | kharan5876: Check out mythcontrols, maybe mythweb doesn't list all possible jumpppoints |
[17:13:22] | Bernardo: | jd86: I'm having other problems building mythplugins, but I'm using kubuntu |
[17:14:16] | Bernardo: | I do a simple "configure --prefix=/usr --enable-all --disable-festival" and I suddenly get loads of "../../.." in .pro files and in subsequent makefiles |
[17:14:21] | alsoconfused: | kharan5876: setup->edit keys->jumppoints->playdvd |
[17:17:01] | kharan5876: | im assuming edit keys is brought in from mythcontrols ill install it now and check that out, thats for the help |
[17:17:31] | Bernardo: | then "checkinstall -D make install" gets all messed up, with make install trying to create lots of dirs, and the resulting package is empty |
[17:17:35] | jd86: | ut oh — mythfrontned is segfaulting :( |
[17:17:38] | jd86: | sounds so familiar |
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[17:19:23] | juski: | almost time to make the 150 mile drive up norfwards |
[17:19:52] | Bernardo: | the best part is that just trying to build the mythplugins ubuntu source without any patches gives the same errors |
[17:20:34] | jd86: | So does anyone have any idea why mythfrontend could just segmentation fault on starting? |
[17:20:34] | mirak: | alsoconfused: in fact this problem come from the fact I use VDR. VDR is running in background and uses the remote, so any application using remote will interfer. I use vdr because I have problems having smooth playback with pvr150 and mythtv. but I use some mythtv plugins like music and dvd. |
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[17:21:52] | alsoconfused: | mirak: i understand about conflicts/interference with lirc and multiple apps. is your comp too slow for good playback? |
[17:22:18] | mirak: | it wasn't I think something is broken in recent mythtv 0.20 |
[17:22:43] | mirak: | because with previous mythtv I could do realtime mpeg4 encoding with a pctv card |
[17:23:06] | mirak: | something is wrong with mpeg2 or something |
[17:23:33] | mirak: | it's an athlon xp 1800+ |
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[17:23:42] | alsoconfused: | mirak: 0.20 is working great for me with a pvr-250. i don't do realtime transcoding though. |
[17:23:58] | mirak: | that's powerfull enough in thoery |
[17:24:15] | mirak: | I don't do realtime transcode |
[17:24:20] | mirak: | with pvr150 |
[17:24:22] | alsoconfused: | mirak: yeah, i used to run it on an athlon 800. |
[17:24:36] | alsoconfused: | which version of ivtv? |
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[17:27:35] | mirak: | 0.7 |
[17:28:09] | alsoconfused: | mirak: is the playback problem on on livetv, or recorded progs as well? |
[17:28:27] | mirak: | I don't remember |
[17:28:33] | mirak: | I think it was more on live tv |
[17:28:44] | mirak: | channel switching was awfull |
[17:29:37] | alsoconfused: | i'm using the .4 series of ivtv. channel changing is much improved in the later versions. i just went from .4.7 to .4.9 |
[17:29:51] | alsoconfused: | maybe you should try updating |
[17:30:57] | mirak: | mmm |
[17:31:29] | alsoconfused: | mirak: there's also an alternate mpeg2 decoder you can try. setup->tv->playback IIRC |
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[17:33:56] | mirak: | ok |
[17:34:09] | mirak: | anyway I will need ro reinstall mythtv |
[17:34:28] | mirak: | I dropped it because of that phantom recordings bug |
[17:35:34] | alsoconfused: | mirak: never saw that |
[17:36:11] | jd86: | already the new version of mythtv is using crazy cpu :( |
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[17:40:49] | AdamKili: | hey I'm just starting out with MythTV, and wanted to make sure I got a TV tuner card that would allow me to watch TV and record a program at the same time, or record 2 shows at once. What do I need to do that? buy 2 cards? or buy 1? If I buy one what do I need to make sure it has to allow me to do this? |
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[17:43:02] | squish102: | AdamKili: i'm no expert, but a Hauppauge pvr-500 has 2 tuners on one card, or u could buy 2 pvr-150's |
[17:50:38] | cesman: | AdamKili: you need two tuners to be able to do what you want |
[17:53:30] | juski: | ./mythrename --link /media/tvshows |
[17:53:31] | juski: | oops |
[17:57:04] | juski: | hey cesman :) |
[17:57:14] | juski: | have a good party last night? |
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[17:57:34] | cesman: | hi juski |
[17:57:46] | cesman: | yes |
[17:57:49] | cesman: | :) |
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[17:57:56] | cesman: | thanks for stopping by |
[17:58:08] | juski: | heh. I'm just exporting some shows to watch when I go to my inlaws |
[17:58:17] | cesman: | :) |
[17:58:34] | juski: | the xbox is great for more than just games ;) |
[17:58:55] | ** cesman wouldn't know ** | |
[17:59:12] | cesman: | XMAME all the way! |
[17:59:31] | juski: | I'd have taken an s100 of mine & external USB drive, but that won't play Burnout Revenge |
[17:59:40] | jd86: | Anyone have any idea why mythfrontend would just segfault on start (with _no_ other output)? |
[17:59:53] | juski: | jd86: try it with -v all |
[18:00:02] | jd86: | i will |
[18:00:08] | juski: | might be a missing/misplaced theme dir |
[18:00:10] | cesman: | jd86: did you compile Mythphone? |
[18:00:23] | jd86: | juski, same thing |
[18:00:30] | jd86: | cesman, nope, didn't include mythphone |
[18:00:41] | juski: | no messages at _all_ ? |
[18:00:49] | cesman: | yeah?? |
[18:00:55] | jd86: | just Segmentation Fault |
[18:01:02] | juski: | that's weird |
[18:01:10] | jd86: | is there a way to check if its (sorry i'm not a programmer) linked against something thats not there or a wrong version? |
[18:01:20] | jd86: | or would that not cause this? |
[18:01:27] | juski: | you'd at least see a message about something like that I think |
[18:02:01] | cesman: | jd86: did you compile myth yourself? |
[18:02:40] | flolo: | damm I cant get my mythtv compiled |
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[18:02:46] | [Elvis]: | hello people |
[18:02:47] | jd86: | yeah, from svn so I'm not surprised its not working but I did compile it on a much faster machine and then installed it there and here... should I copile it individually for each one? |
[18:02:47] | flolo: | always undefined references |
[18:02:57] | [Elvis]: | is it possible to change the brightness in mythvideo while playing a file? |
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[18:03:05] | flolo: | anybody know what the reason for that? |
[18:03:11] | flolo: | ../../libs/libmythtv/libmythtv-0.20.so: undefined reference to `DiSEqCDevTree::Execute(DiSEqCDevSettings const&, DVBTuning const&)' |
[18:03:11] | flolo: | ../../libs/libmythtv/libmythtv-0.20.so: undefined reference to `DiSEqCDevLNB::GetIntermediateFrequency(DiSEqCDevSettings const&, DVBTuning const&) const' |
[18:03:11] | flolo: | ../../libs/libmythtv/libmythtv-0.20.so: undefined reference to `TransportScanItem::TransportScanItem(int, QString const&, QString const&, DVBTuning&, unsigned int)' |
[18:03:16] | cesman: | jd86: how did you build the package to install on the slower machine? |
[18:03:47] | jd86: | cesman, what do you mean how? I got a svn co on my backend machine, configured, compiled, and then installed there and on this machine |
[18:04:41] | juski: | oh man how young do you have to be to feel christmassy? |
[18:04:51] | cesman: | you stated you compiled on the faster machine, then installed on the slower |
[18:05:21] | [Elvis]: | juski do you know if it's poossible to change the brightness in mythvideo |
[18:05:23] | cesman: | normally, one would build a package |
[18:05:27] | Zider: | juski: younger than me I guess, I don't like christmas :P |
[18:05:36] | jd86: | cesman, build a package? |
[18:05:49] | cesman: | yes, deb, rpm.... |
[18:06:28] | jd86: | i'm on gentoo |
[18:06:46] | jd86: | How would that be any advantage to just installing it in both places? |
[18:06:48] | cesman: | does it work on the faster machine? |
[18:06:52] | juski: | you can do binary packages on gengoo no bother, allegedly |
[18:07:06] | Zider: | yes, it's possible |
[18:07:10] | jd86: | juski, you can do them, but then I'd have tow rite a ebuild for the svn version and such |
[18:07:10] | Zider: | dunno how tho |
[18:07:19] | jd86: | I could just use the ebuild version |
[18:07:30] | jd86: | cesman, the backend is working, but I don't have a way to test the frontend |
[18:07:30] | Zider: | use distcc to get the other box to compile it :P |
[18:07:42] | cesman: | i've never compiled a program on a faster machine then installed it on something else... |
[18:07:44] | jd86: | I didn't think there was a problem compiling it on faster machine, |
[18:07:55] | jd86: | but you have created a package and then installed it elsware? |
[18:08:01] | juski: | distcc, ftw |
[18:08:03] | jd86: | I"ll just compile it on each frontend |
[18:08:03] | cesman: | yes |
[18:08:30] | juski: | yeah cesman – on literally thousands of boxes ;) |
[18:08:40] | cesman: | :) |
[18:08:51] | jd86: | (at the moment I have a nice system, I'd svn update, compile, install and then mount the install dir via nfs on each frontend and make install individually) |
[18:09:07] | cesman: | hmmm |
[18:09:23] | [Elvis]: | can anyone tell me if it's possible to change the brightness in myth ? |
[18:09:25] | cesman: | and that has worked in the past? |
[18:09:33] | cesman: | [Elvis]: yes |
[18:09:36] | Zider: | jd86: when you compile it, it links against the libs and headers on that system, which might not match the libs on the other system |
[18:09:38] | [Elvis]: | how? |
[18:09:38] | jd86: | and its worked fine up to this point, but I was thinking maybe it was possible that I was missing some library or something on the frontend that the backend happens to have |
[18:09:41] | [Elvis]: | cesman ? |
[18:10:00] | cesman: | 'f' if I remember correctly |
[18:10:01] | jd86: | Zider, yeah I was thinking that, but I was just surprised its worked so well so far, but I'll just do it individually now |
[18:10:04] | juski: | [Elvis]: if you use the Internal player maybe |
[18:10:05] | cesman: | read keys.txt |
[18:10:10] | Bernardo: | anyone can help me to find why building mythplugins I get this strange "-I" paths? |
[18:10:18] | Bernardo: | ccache g++ -c -pipe -march=k8 -I/usr/include/kde/artsc -pthread -I/usr/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/lib/glib-2.0/include -Wno-non-virtual-dtor -Wall -W -g -D_REENTRANT -DPIC -fPIC -D_GNU_SOURCE -DPREFIX=\"/usr\" -DMMX -D_FILE_OFFSET_BITS=64 -DQT_THREAD_SUPPORT -DQT_PLUGIN -DQT_SHARED -DQT_TABLET_SUPPORT -I/usr/share/qt3/mkspecs/default -I. -I../../../../../../include -I/usr/kde/3.3/include -I../../../../../../include -I../../../../../../share/doc |
[18:10:25] | jd86: | waiting for svn to compile |
[18:10:37] | juski: | it's tempting just to yell RTFM really loud but it's Christmassy-ish |
[18:10:43] | Bernardo: | :) |
[18:10:47] | Bernardo: | thanks juski |
[18:10:49] | Zider: | screw christmas |
[18:11:00] | [Elvis]: | juski I use the interal player |
[18:11:01] | Zider: | it's all just commercial bullshit nowadays |
[18:11:02] | juski: | bah humbug eh Zider? |
[18:11:10] | [Elvis]: | but I don't see the brightness key in the keys.txt |
[18:11:13] | ** Bernardo is thinking of giving up ubuntu and going back to a source based distro ** | |
[18:11:17] | [Elvis]: | cesman what is the default key |
[18:11:30] | juski: | [Elvis]: you could always try RTFM or the wiki |
[18:11:53] | juski: | picture controls might even be on the OSD menu too |
[18:12:02] | jd86: | Maybe I should just go with the .20 version in portage |
[18:12:31] | juski: | jd86: if the machines have the same versions of gcc & stuff why not just configure gcc? |
[18:12:37] | juski: | oops distcc I mean |
[18:12:43] | [Elvis]: | that was so very usefull |
[18:12:47] | [Elvis]: | thank you |
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[18:12:58] | ** Bernardo sees that jd86 is using a source based distro and still has problems... Thinks again on giving up ubuntu ** | |
[18:13:03] | juski: | [Elvis]: all the keyboard commands are in the wiki |
[18:13:05] | jd86: | juski, I could, would, should and it already is setup it just broke, and I'll have some time now that schol is over to fix it all up, but I've had my sister without mythtv and I just want it for her to work now |
[18:13:15] | juski: | heh |
[18:13:20] | [Elvis]: | which wiki are you talking about? |
[18:13:24] | jd86: | Bernardo, heh, I like gentoo, but it is _far_ from ideal |
[18:13:26] | juski: | wiki.mythtv.org |
[18:13:33] | juski: | the one linked to from mythtv.org |
[18:14:33] | Bernardo: | jd86: I used to have sourcemage, but found I didn't have the time to keep fixing small problems, and hoped ubuntu was more "stable" |
[18:14:42] | jd86: | Bernardo, if you have the time, it works real nice. This problem is my fault from not properly maintaining anything for months. |
[18:14:57] | jd86: | my backend is still 2.6.13 kernel |
[18:15:05] | Bernardo: | exactly my problem, time |
[18:15:13] | Bernardo: | :) |
[18:15:58] | jd86: | Thats why I'm doing things now to cut down in my time, I have multiple network booting machines that all connect to the same server and it works good, only managing one computer and most of my family works on it (and not a problem even with the 2500+ 2gb of ram) |
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[18:16:33] | cybergypsy: | is there an easy way to delete channels i dont want ? |
[18:16:53] | juski: | so guys never take offence at someone suggesting you look in the docs. folks work hard to put info in there, so use it :) |
[18:17:08] | cesman: | Cybertoy: |
[18:17:15] | juski: | cybergypsy: the channel editor in mythtv-setup, mythweb.. mysql commands... |
[18:17:24] | cesman: | cybergypsy: read the manual |
[18:17:42] | juski: | cybergypsy: but be careful you DON'T delete a channel you just watched in livetv, or you will BREAK livetv |
[18:17:50] | cybergypsy: | juski: yea – i am in the mythtv-setup app now , its d , up , reeturn for each channel |
[18:18:08] | juski: | so why did you ask? pfff |
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[18:18:11] | Bernardo: | http://pastebin.ca/290115 |
[18:18:16] | [Elvis]: | juski |
[18:18:17] | [Elvis]: | F rotate between the various Picture Adjustments (Colour, Hue, etc.) While Picture Adjustment is on-screen, use Left and Right arrows to adjust. These settings adjust the look of the video playback, and are independent of the G-key settings used at record-time. |
[18:18:21] | [Elvis]: | you mean that one |
[18:18:22] | [Elvis]: | ? |
[18:18:24] | Bernardo: | this is what I'm getting now building mythplugins |
[18:18:28] | jd86: | Is 3 tuners on one backend just too much for one hard drive to deal with (recording all at once, and sometimes people watching at same time) |
[18:18:36] | cybergypsy: | juski: i was wondering if its possible to select a load and delete them all at once |
[18:18:42] | juski: | [Elvis]: yeah I guess so. I never use them |
[18:18:45] | juski: | cybergypsy: in mythweb it is |
[18:18:53] | juski: | back up your database first |
[18:18:55] | cybergypsy: | ok , thanks , i`ll get that going |
[18:19:05] | juski: | back up your database first |
[18:19:07] | juski: | back up your database |
[18:19:09] | juski: | back up your database |
[18:19:09] | juski: | back up your database |
[18:19:17] | juski: | that's my xmas message :) |
[18:19:19] | Bernardo: | jd86: I'm finding that 2 tuners at a backend sometimes give me kernel panics... might just be a hw conflict, but things die either in raid5 or mythcommflag |
[18:19:59] | jd86: | Bernardo, I've had kernel panics (again I'm old kernel .13) but I think it might be partly to do with NFS as the frontends boot off of there (which hopefully won't be the case in a little bit) |
[18:20:14] | Dagmar: | Come on up to 2.6.17.13 and 0.7.3 |
[18:20:24] | Bernardo: | I'm using ubuntu's 2.6.17–10 |
[18:20:31] | jd86: | what is 0.7.3? |
[18:20:32] | juski: | right. I'm off a-travellin'. Have a very Merry Christmas you lot. I'd say 'Happy Holidays' except that I find PC mumbo jumbo offensive ;) |
[18:20:36] | Dagmar: | The water's fine here (and SATA drives even enumerate in the same order each time!) |
[18:20:41] | Bernardo: | Merry Christmas juski |
[18:20:45] | Dagmar: | jd86: ivtv-0.7.3 |
[18:20:48] | jd86: | juski, enjoy the travelling |
[18:20:54] | cesman: | juski: take care |
[18:20:57] | juski: | heh. I'll try |
[18:21:02] | cesman: | HappyHolidays |
[18:21:11] | juski: | have a good 'un y'all |
[18:21:13] | Bernardo: | juski: and don't forget to have fun |
[18:21:21] | juski: | all in hand... |
[18:21:33] | Bernardo: | Dagmar: my sata drives always enumerate in the same order here... :) |
[18:21:33] | jd86: | i'm at 0.4.2 |
[18:21:46] | Dagmar: | jd86: geez dude, definitely time for an upgrade then |
[18:21:59] | Dagmar: | It's just still probably not safe to enable preemptive multitasking |
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[18:22:02] | jd86: | Dagmar, I'm afraid I'll break it worse, but today I will dedicate to updating EVERYTHING |
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[18:22:31] | jd86: | is there a problem with .18? |
[18:22:50] | jd86: | (2.6.18 kernel, not myth.18) |
[18:23:39] | Dagmar: | No, I just haven't used it yet is all |
[18:23:54] | Dagmar: | I can at least personally vouch for that kernel and that version of ivtv |
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[18:24:26] | jd86: | well i'm using it somewhere, so I'll go with that (why not right, nothing but time to lose) |
[18:24:45] | Dagmar: | If you use 2.6.18 you have to use the 0.8.x branch of ivtv |
[18:25:11] | Bernardo: | anyone can help me trace why I'm getting all these crazy paths in mythplugins build? |
[18:25:12] | Dagmar: | They're *in the middle* of merging ivtv into the main kernel at this point, and I'd rather not go anywhere near that during the transition period |
[18:25:26] | Dagmar: | Bernardo: What are you passing to configure? |
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[18:26:21] | Bernardo: | --prefix=/usr --enable-all --disable-festival |
[18:26:22] | Dagmar: | --prefix=/usr --sysconfdir=/etc --localstatedir=/var/lib is really all I'm passing to it, and the second and third options may possibly be getting ignored for all I know |
[18:26:26] | abarbaccia: | anybody here can help me getting oss workign with alsa? im running ubuntu, the card gets detected, all sound works, except mythmusic |
[18:26:36] | Dagmar: | Bernardo: What kind of crazy paths are we talking about anyway? |
[18:26:59] | Dagmar: | abarbaccia: did you build the OSS compatibility modules for the kernel, and do you have the alsa-oss package installed? |
[18:27:22] | abarbaccia: | Dagmar, i'm not sure what you mean by oss compat. modules, and yes, alsa-oss is working |
[18:27:26] | abarbaccia: | is installed* |
[18:27:43] | Dagmar: | abarbaccia: There are modules in the kernel required for enabling the OSS compatibility functions of ALSA |
[18:27:55] | Dagmar: | If you don't have 'em, that could explain a lot |
[18:28:00] | abarbaccia: | Dagmar, any in particular that i could google? |
[18:29:07] | Dagmar: | Dude, just look in make menuconfig. You can't miss them. They're in the ALSA section and they say "OSS" in them as big as anything |
[18:29:19] | Dagmar: | If you don't know what the hell you have compiled for sound, then that's probably why it doesn't wokr |
[18:29:33] | Dagmar: | Just go in there and slap a lot of M's arounc |
[18:29:38] | Bernardo: | Dagmar: http://pastebin.ca/290115 |
[18:29:39] | Dagmar: | s/arounc/around/; |
[18:30:30] | Dagmar: | Bernardo: WTF. You build under /usr/src/nvidia voluntarily? |
[18:31:03] | Dagmar: | What are you using to build with? |
[18:31:21] | Bernardo: | Dagmar: /usr/src/nvidia was just a convinient dir |
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[18:31:42] | jd86: | now we wait for myth to compile |
[18:31:50] | Dagmar: | Bernardo: You're pulling SVN trunk. I suspect that possibly it's just *fried* at the moment |
[18:31:59] | Dagmar: | Someone else was harping about it about 6 hours ago |
[18:32:17] | Dagmar: | I know there's no mythzoneminder in 0.20-fixes |
[18:32:43] | Dagmar: | ...nor is there *any* directory named "debian" involved |
[18:32:47] | Bernardo: | it was a dir I'd used to build a package for nvidia beta driver, and was now empty but had the right perms and was under /usr/src, where I like to build stuff |
[18:33:13] | Dagmar: | You *might* want to do it from a completely clean directory |
[18:33:19] | Dagmar: | It's possible that SVN misconstrued something |
[18:33:38] | Bernardo: | the debian dir is for the mythplugins debian package, but I've also done it from a totally clean dir, give me a couple of minutes and I'll have a new log |
[18:33:51] | cybergypsy: | juski: mythweb is exactly what was looking for , thanks |
[18:34:18] | Dagmar: | This little "an/mytharchive../.." bit is definitely entirely fried |
[18:34:33] | Bernardo: | yep |
[18:34:39] | Dagmar: | Bernardo: i get the feeling if you're using a Debian script to do the build that it's fallen out of date |
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[18:35:08] | Dagmar: | Clearly there should be a trailing / on "mytharchive" and apparently they were counting on it always being there or something |
[18:35:10] | Bernardo: | I'm trying to build debian packages because I'd rather have everything (or almost everything) in my system under the control of the package manager |
[18:35:20] | Dagmar: | Hey, I'm not saying that's a bad idea. |
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[18:35:32] | Dagmar: | That's actually very good practice, but now you get to try to fix the packaging script |
[18:35:32] | Bernardo: | I've had enough problems with not accounted for files... :) |
[18:35:44] | Bernardo: | I'm now building on a clean svn dir |
[18:35:58] | Dagmar: | Seriously, I think the problem is in the debian build script |
[18:36:29] | Dagmar: | This path: /usr/src/nvidia/myth/mythplugins.svn/debian/mytharchive../../../../../../share/m ythtv/i18n/ as shown on line 45 of your pastebin, is broken |
[18:36:38] | Dagmar: | "mytharchive.." is not a directory name I'm sure |
[18:37:03] | Bernardo: | this is the compile log in a clean svn dir: http://pastebin.ca/290133 |
[18:37:06] | Dagmar: | The bit of the script where it assembles that path was expecting the part following where it inserted "debian/$pluginname" to have a leading slash or something that's no longer there |
[18:37:38] | Dagmar: | You mised some lines there that time |
[18:39:05] | Bernardo: | ok, time to rebuild the script... I've now seen that the clean svn will put it in the right place ("/usr/share/*") |
[18:39:41] | Bernardo: | even a checkinstall gives rise to all the mess again (mytharchive../../../etc.) |
[18:40:19] | Bernardo: | I think the problem is that the makefile is being too clever, finding the correct places and ignoring $INSTALL_ROOT |
[18:40:44] | Dagmar: | I think the mods that are inserting the "debian" part of the path is screwing up |
[18:40:48] | Dagmar: | Take a look at the debian magicness |
[18:41:35] | Bernardo: | $(MAKE) -C $$plugin install INSTALL_ROOT=$(CURDIR)/debian/$$plugin; |
[18:42:07] | Bernardo: | if I add a / to the end of that it might even install stuff under /usr/share |
[18:42:52] | Bernardo: | I'll have to check why INSTALL_ROOT is getting the ../../../../ appended inside the Makefile(s) |
[18:43:30] | Dagmar: | It's not |
[18:43:57] | Dagmar: | The "debian/$pluginname" insertion bit for making the package needs a trailing slash applied to it |
[18:44:06] | Dagmar: | I have the logs of like the last nine builds I made of the plugin |
[18:44:16] | Dagmar: | That long set of ../../../../.. stuff is actually normal |
[18:44:39] | Dagmar: | it's the fact that you wind up with "mytharchive.." without the missing slash that would make it "mytharchive/.." that's buggering it up |
[18:44:54] | Bernardo: | mmm... let me see |
[18:45:18] | Dagmar: | Go dig up the part of the debian package build that's inserting that and stick in a trailing slash (or heck, just add a trailing slash to $INSTALL_ROOT somehow |
[18:45:52] | Bernardo: | I just did, did a clean and am building it all now |
[18:45:58] | Bernardo: | with ccache it shouldn't take long |
[18:46:02] | Dagmar: | I'm heading out of the office to go home now. I'll be back on in about a half hour. If you've not got it sorted by then I'll have you pastebin some more parts of it and I'll show you where to fixor it |
[18:47:42] | Bernardo: | ok, I'm about to leave for a pre-christmas dinner too |
[18:48:19] | Bernardo: | anyway, now it tries to install stuff into /usr/share/, and fails because it doesn't have perms |
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[18:48:49] | Bernardo: | it should try to install into $(CURDIR)/debian/$$plugin/share |
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[18:48:53] | Bernardo: | I think |
[18:48:54] | Bernardo: | :) |
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[18:55:13] | Bernardo: | http://pastebin.ca/290154 |
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[19:01:53] | Bernardo: | bbl |
[19:02:00] | Bernardo is now known as Bernardo|away | |
[19:04:03] | ** Paladine hearts his xmas present from his mother ** | |
[19:04:16] | Paladine: | espresso/cappuccino/mocachino and latte machine |
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[19:04:30] | Paladine: | just had a double shot latte and man it was good :) |
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[19:12:02] | abarbaccia: | hey all – why would sound work in live tv, video, etc, but fail when trying to use mythmusic? |
[19:12:30] | Tom33: | anyone have recommendations for pre-built myth computers? |
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[19:13:40] | jd86: | well I got it to not segfault, but now when I try to watch a recording i get this: |
[19:13:42] | jd86: | 2001-12–23 22:19:52.427 PlaybackBox Error: Could not open file for preview video. |
[19:13:42] | jd86: | 2001-12–23 22:19:54.940 TV: Attempting to change from None to WatchingRecording |
[19:13:43] | jd86: | 2001-12–23 22:20:01.446 RingBuf(//): Invalid file (fd -1) when opening '//'. |
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[19:25:01] | rexer: | hello? |
[19:25:12] | jd86: | Hello |
[19:26:10] | rexer: | im very new to mythtv.. |
[19:26:35] | rexer: | and im running into a brick wall everytime i try compiling.. |
[19:27:28] | rexer: | im running gentoo |
[19:27:53] | rexer: | and in the instructions the magical command is #> emerge mythtv |
[19:27:59] | rexer: | right? |
[19:28:47] | rexer: | what is: |
[19:28:58] | rexer: | ../../libs/libmythtv/libmythtv-0.19.so: undefined reference to `glXGetVideoSyncSGI' |
[19:28:59] | rexer: | ../../libs/libmythtv/libmythtv-0.19.so: undefined reference to `glXWaitVideoSyncSGI' |
[19:29:30] | ** xris points at kormoc and Cardoe ** | |
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[19:30:11] | kormoc: | emerge gentoolkit |
[19:30:16] | kormoc: | then run revdep-rebuild |
[19:30:55] | rexer: | #emerge -pv gentoolkit |
[19:31:40] | rexer: | [ebuild R ] app-portage/gentoolkit-0.2.2 0 kB |
[19:31:46] | rexer: | ok.. hold.. |
[19:32:06] | ** xris hates getting sick just in time for christmas ** | |
[19:32:59] | rexer: | >>> Regenerating /etc/ld.so.cache... |
[19:33:03] | rexer: | >>> app-portage/gentoolkit-0.2.2 merged. |
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[19:35:18] | rexer: | broken /usr/qt/3/plugins/sqldrivers/libqsqlmysql.so (requires libmysqlclient.so.14) |
[19:36:04] | ** kormoc nods ** | |
[19:36:10] | rexer: | emerge --oneshot =x11-libs/qt-3.3.6-r4 |
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[19:36:47] | kormoc: | xris, lest it's not at your house, so you can just sorta leave earlyish if needed |
[19:37:06] | xris: | spending the night at my dad's place |
[19:37:10] | kormoc: | ahh |
[19:37:12] | xris: | well, tomorrow |
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[19:40:46] | rexer: | stage1harden install... great.. compiling qt... this will be a while... Thanks to kormoc!! |
[19:41:59] | kormoc: | heh... well... it will hopefully fix things |
[19:42:10] | kormoc: | tho it should have found a GLX issue with the myth libs. |
[19:42:16] | kormoc: | you didn't compile myth by had did you? |
[19:45:09] | rexer: | emerge mythtv failed everytime i ran it about 3 months ago.. i have a cron that emerge syncs every Weds. hoping that the problem will go a way.... |
[19:45:44] | rexer: | maybee a version thingie.. so i waited and waited.. |
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[19:46:08] | rexer: | now xmms vanished from gentoo.. |
[19:46:30] | rexer: | and i have a box.. with tvtuner.. soundcard. and hd space.. with no music.. |
[19:47:01] | Krazylegz: | !trout kormoc |
[19:47:01] | ** MythLogBot slaps kormoc with a trout on behalf of Krazylegz... ** | |
[19:47:09] | kormoc: | you could switch players, there's hundreds of music players |
[19:47:22] | rexer: | really? |
[19:47:53] | rexer: | can myth stream sound from url? |
[19:47:53] | kormoc: | sure |
[19:48:03] | kormoc: | don't think myth can |
[19:48:09] | kormoc: | without unoffical plugins |
[19:48:18] | Krazylegz: | MythStream? |
[19:48:18] | kormoc: | Krazylegz, boot. what up? |
[19:48:25] | kormoc: | yeah... that sounds like it could be it |
[19:48:31] | Krazylegz: | Not much. Futzing with my Mythbox today when I should be working. |
[19:48:42] | Krazylegz: | Still can't get the colors I want in Xorg. |
[19:49:34] | Krazylegz: | Also can't get DVI working. |
[19:49:59] | kormoc: | ooh? |
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[19:50:37] | Krazylegz: | Yeppers. |
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[19:51:33] | Krazylegz: | I shouldn't get hung up on it I suppose. The colors are decent and SVGA is probably ideal for me right now anyway. The Mythbox may do the native resolution for the set, but nothing I would watch would be in HD, so it would be better to have the HdSTB connected via DVI instead. |
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[19:51:57] | Krazylegz: | Also, this set swtiches to DVI/HDMI very slowly so maybe it's for the best to just not use that input. |
[19:52:06] | kormoc: | fair nuff |
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[19:55:08] | Krazylegz: | Great. The Mythbox is just having a fit today. Now I can't get to my video settings to change the player for movies to Internal. |
[19:55:19] | Krazylegz: | It locks up. |
[19:58:09] | rexer: | 06:09:31 up 10 days, 15:23, 3 users, load average: 2.03, 2.01, 1.54 |
[20:00:53] | rexer: | if this works.. then config lircd to work with packard bell remote.. |
[20:01:16] | Zider: | rexer: did your vPenis just grow? :P |
[20:01:19] | rexer: | need to research on IR recivers/broadcaster |
[20:01:47] | rexer: | uhh. no.. QT recompile.. |
[20:06:21] | jd86: | alright, I fixed one frontend |
[20:06:24] | jd86: | i bet you the other one is broken now |
[20:16:28] | Krazylegz: | kormoc: What string should I use to play my videos using mplayer properly? I have mplayer -vo xv -zoom -fs -monitoraspect 16:9 %s but then I can't control the video at all. |
[20:16:41] | Krazylegz: | Internal doesn't play all of my videos. |
[20:17:08] | kormoc: | Krazylegz, control as in keypresses? |
[20:17:20] | Krazylegz: | Yeah, or remote. |
[20:17:29] | Krazylegz: | I do believe it was compiled with lirc though. |
[20:17:37] | kormoc: | that would more point to a focus issue... are you using a window manager? |
[20:17:52] | Krazylegz: | No. |
[20:17:55] | Cardoe: | rexer: xris: the issue is that MythTV devs depended on OpenGL functions that aren't public functions and must be dereferneced. You're trying to install the 0.19 version. Which was never fixed by the MythTV developers. You will need to install 0.20. |
[20:18:12] | Krazylegz: | mplayer's stats show up in my console when I do startx from an SSH session. |
[20:18:19] | Krazylegz: | Too lazy to get off the couch and use the keyboard. |
[20:18:55] | kormoc: | Krazylegz, yeah... that's actually a typical issue without a window manager. if you install one, like lwm, focus should work fine again |
[20:19:10] | Cardoe: | and also he needs a lirc file for mplayer |
[20:19:21] | Krazylegz: | I'll use fluxbox I guess. |
[20:19:26] | Cardoe: | eww |
[20:19:28] | Krazylegz: | Yeah, need an lirc for mplayer. |
[20:19:32] | Cardoe: | evilwm ftw! |
[20:19:33] | Krazylegz: | Cardoe: Suggestion? |
[20:19:45] | Krazylegz: | Fine, evilwm. :-P |
[20:19:49] | Cardoe: | 10th of the size of flux |
[20:19:51] | Krazylegz: | Have to remember the keys though. |
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[20:42:13] | Krazylegz: | Cardoe: Yep. Can't seem to get a terminal window in evilwm. |
[20:43:05] | Cardoe: | it shouldn't matter what kind of window you open |
[20:44:56] | Krazylegz: | Okay, go tit. |
[20:44:57] | Krazylegz: | *got it. |
[20:45:05] | Krazylegz: | I was just being dumb. |
[20:46:17] | Krazylegz: | Oddly, mplayer let me control it in fluxbox but not in evilwm. Am I missing something? |
[20:51:00] | Cardoe: | go with flux then |
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[20:52:27] | mkrufky: | is there a way to get nuvexport to export from a recording using a cutlist without re-encoding the video at all? (for instance, for the purposes of making short clips of a recording while retaining original HD mpeg2 quality) ? |
[20:54:45] | Krazylegz: | Cardoe: NEVAR!!! |
[20:54:49] | Krazylegz: | Okay, maybe. |
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[21:05:36] | Krazylegz: | Hmm, evilwm works with mplayer fine now. No remote yet. |
[21:05:46] | Krazylegz: | Looking through my old setup and I didn't have a .lircrc there either. Odd. |
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[21:09:57] | abarbaccia: | hey all – i'm having some problems with mythmusic and OSS. Audio works in all of mythtv (using alsa) but not in mythmusic with OSS. |
[21:10:15] | abarbaccia: | I get "AddSamples FAILED bytes=2048, used=765953, free=2047, timecode=-1" when trying to playback an audio file when using verbose all |
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[21:16:40] | rexer: | 07:28:01 up 10 days, 16:41, 4 users, load average: 0.02, 0.80, 1.47 |
[21:16:55] | rexer: | ok.. no to run emerge mythtv.. right? |
[21:16:59] | rexer: | err now.. |
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[21:21:22] | kormoc: | rexer, you need to use mythtv 0.20, but yes |
[21:21:43] | kormoc: | rexer, which means you need to set the keywords if you're not already running ~arch |
[21:22:16] | rexer: | Cardoe: install mythtv 0.20 ? |
[21:22:33] | rexer: | awwhh man.. |
[21:23:25] | Cardoe: | are you running amd64, x86? |
[21:23:57] | rexer: | x86 |
[21:24:24] | rexer: | cat /etc/portage/package.keywords |
[21:24:43] | rexer: | nothin. |
[21:25:05] | rexer: | should i echo "something" to package.keywords? |
[21:25:57] | Cardoe: | if you wait like 20 min |
[21:26:03] | Cardoe: | you will get a new version automatically |
[21:26:07] | Cardoe: | I'm stabling a new version right now |
[21:26:30] | rexer: | howcome gentoo doesnt get that version in the sync? |
[21:26:56] | rexer: | instead of leaving this .19 in the tree for ever.. and enver.. |
[21:28:08] | rexer: | get a new version automaticly?.. |
[21:28:36] | jd86: | you know what i'm wondering? why isn't there a mythtv-dev channel, and make mythtv (the one almost everyone gueses to join) the regular user chan? |
[21:29:19] | Cardoe: | rexer: because no one has stablized the new versions |
[21:29:26] | Cardoe: | rexer: ~arch is up to date |
[21:29:43] | Cardoe: | jd86: ask Isaac |
[21:30:13] | rexer: | i already kicked off an emerge mythtv.. i think its crunching thru .19 |
[21:30:30] | Cardoe: | and you'll run into that OpenGL bug again |
[21:30:33] | jd86: | Cardoe, It really doesn't effect me, but I was just in #mythtv and I've seen multiple times people going in there and having to be referred here |
[21:30:50] | Cardoe: | it happens constantly |
[21:30:53] | Cardoe: | since the beginning |
[21:31:40] | jd86: | and most projects have #NAMEOFPROJECT and then #NAMEOFPROJECT-SPECIALTY like #gentoo-dev etc |
[21:32:27] | Cardoe: | I agree. I'm not disagreeing |
[21:32:28] | jd86: | Now the question is should I dare to break everything by upgrading kernel, upgrading ivtv. |
[21:33:23] | jd86: | I'm still on 2.6.13-gentoo-r3 |
[21:33:29] | Cardoe: | dang |
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[21:34:25] | quantum: | is there any kind of plugin for an improved interface for the music database on mythtv? |
[21:35:01] | kormoc: | quantum, mythmusic is it |
[21:36:54] | quantum: | ahh cool, I'll do a search for it |
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[21:37:58] | Honk^away: | is there any plugin i can use to easily start my own program of choice (one that'll use lirc)? |
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[21:40:21] | quantum: | yeah I was looking for that too. Seems like one could use the video manager to run a script or something worst case, but there must be a better way |
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[21:40:57] | bpickford: | hi |
[21:40:58] | Cardoe: | rexer: 0.20_p12172 is stable now |
[21:41:02] | Cardoe: | wait 20 min and emerge sync |
[21:41:24] | bpickford: | can any one help with this error on latest svn complie please? |
[21:41:29] | bpickford: | main.o: In function `main': |
[21:41:29] | bpickford: | /home/mythtv/media/builds/mythtv/trunk/mythtv/programs/mythtv/main.cpp:270: undefined reference to `TV::StartTV(ProgramInfo*, bool, bool, bool)' |
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[21:45:50] | squish102: | could someone give me the comands to remove the ivtv driver and reload it, it does not seem to be loaded as it is not in dmesg |
[21:46:16] | bpickford: | rmmod ivtv |
[21:46:17] | jd86: | rmmod ivtv; modprobe ivtv |
[21:46:37] | squish102: | thanks |
[21:46:56] | squish102: | have to remember never to install a new kernel |
[21:47:09] | bpickford: | hehe |
[21:47:21] | bpickford: | try /var/log/messages for the output |
[21:47:22] | crudpuppy: | hmmm |
[21:47:35] | crudpuppy: | I need myth to random display pics from subdirectories too |
[21:47:43] | bpickford: | check the version of ivtv |
[21:47:45] | crudpuppy: | anyway to make it do that? |
[21:47:54] | bpickford: | its sensitive to kernel versions |
[21:48:00] | crudpuppy: | nm |
[21:48:03] | crudpuppy: | its a setting |
[21:48:03] | crudpuppy: | lol |
[21:48:49] | squish102: | yip i'm running FC, so i think i can put an ignore in yum.conf |
[21:49:22] | bpickford: | the same version of svn builds on my ati powered lappy, but not on my nvidia run back end |
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[21:55:02] | quantum: | mythmusic is just the standard plugin right? it doesn't let you do stuff like search by genre etc. |
[21:58:13] | crudpuppy: | they need an irc modules for myth |
[21:58:13] | crudpuppy: | lol |
[22:01:21] | crudpuppy: | quantum, it doesnt let you search but you can sort by genre |
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[22:01:30] | crudpuppy: | mine is broke down by genre then artist |
[22:02:38] | crudpuppy: | k, this box is looking good....now just to get this hauppauge remote working and I'm pretty much set........for nwo |
[22:02:41] | crudpuppy: | now |
[22:03:49] | bpickford: | do you know what's up with the remote crudpuppy / |
[22:03:51] | bpickford: | ? |
[22:10:45] | crudpuppy: | huh? |
[22:10:51] | crudpuppy: | oh why it wont work? |
[22:11:00] | crudpuppy: | becuase I havent got lirc setup right |
[22:11:01] | crudpuppy: | lol |
[22:11:32] | bpickford: | sure - |
[22:11:42] | crudpuppy: | I'm getting a zapstream remote for xmas so I'm not to worried bout it |
[22:11:44] | bpickford: | i struggle with mine – but got there in the end |
[22:11:57] | bpickford: | ahh – nice :) |
[22:12:37] | crudpuppy: | yeah mom picked me up, or well I ordered for mom, a wireless keyboard/mouse combo and the zapstream for xmas |
[22:12:53] | crudpuppy: | my grandma picked me up, or well I ordered, a dvb card too |
[22:13:19] | crudpuppy: | then I picked up a coolermaster case, a new 250g hd and a hauppauge card |
[22:13:32] | bpickford: | excellent – should make the whole thing sing and dance :) |
[22:13:33] | crudpuppy: | so I'm pretty close to a sweet lil setup |
[22:13:58] | crudpuppy: | its takin almost 24 hours to get the box where it needs to be |
[22:14:07] | crudpuppy: | gentoo is nice sometimes, but man its slow sometimes |
[22:14:08] | crudpuppy: | lol |
[22:14:32] | bpickford: | yep – takes me longer with suse – so i suppose you are infront of me there :) |
[22:14:50] | crudpuppy: | wow, mine was mostly because I had to compile so much stuff |
[22:15:02] | crudpuppy: | started from a bare hd, so I had to compile qt/x/etc |
[22:15:22] | crudpuppy: | there are some real good docs online for gentoo install of myth |
[22:15:33] | crudpuppy: | one for lirc too, but can't get it quite right |
[22:15:43] | crudpuppy: | lol |
[22:15:50] | bpickford: | i have mixed ata and sata in an lvm set up |
[22:15:54] | crudpuppy: | it seems since I compiled in support for the zapstream at the same time, it kinda assumed I had it now |
[22:15:56] | bpickford: | made life hard |
[22:16:29] | crudpuppy: | yeah, I wanted to do sata, compusa had the 250G on sale for $59 in sata or eide |
[22:16:32] | crudpuppy: | but |
[22:16:45] | crudpuppy: | the only mATX mb I could find to support the procs I had didnt have sata |
[22:17:00] | crudpuppy: | and I didnt feel like blowing a wad on a new processor and ram too |
[22:17:10] | bpickford: | i have a pci card for the job |
[22:17:17] | bpickford: | run out of ide slots |
[22:17:18] | crudpuppy: | ah nice |
[22:17:31] | crudpuppy: | only problem is this mATX board only has two pic slots |
[22:17:34] | crudpuppy: | soon to be used up |
[22:17:37] | xris: | crudpuppy: why'd you buy a dvb card if you're in he US? |
[22:17:45] | crudpuppy: | the hell of it xris |
[22:17:46] | crudpuppy: | lol |
[22:17:57] | xris: | wasted money. there is no dvb in the US. |
[22:17:59] | crudpuppy: | didnt really know what I was buying |
[22:18:04] | crudpuppy: | at the time |
[22:18:10] | crudpuppy: | it was cheap at least |
[22:18:14] | bpickford: | lol |
[22:18:18] | crudpuppy: | there is some off-air stuff to pick up |
[22:18:36] | xris: | crudpuppy: that's ATSC |
[22:18:47] | crudpuppy: | hmmm, maybe I mistated what I got |
[22:18:53] | xris: | most atsc cards use the dvb driver set (sort of like how USB hard drives use the SCSI driver set) |
[22:19:05] | crudpuppy: | yeah thats the ticket |
[22:19:22] | crudpuppy: | this a/v stuff is all so confusing still |
[22:19:36] | crudpuppy: | been playing with it for about a week so I think I'm getting the lingo pretty good so far |
[22:19:37] | crudpuppy: | lol |
[22:19:54] | bpickford: | ahh solved my issue |
[22:19:54] | xris: | think of dvb and atsc as xm vs sirius |
[22:20:15] | bpickford: | i needed to build and install ffmpeg |
[22:20:37] | crudpuppy: | I'll mostly be using my hauppage card, would like it if it did more then 125 channels on the tuner though |
[22:20:53] | crudpuppy: | I don't really want to have to buy a ir blaster to control the cable box |
[22:21:06] | bpickford: | i do that crudpuppy – but built one |
[22:21:15] | crudpuppy: | ah cool |
[22:21:20] | xris: | crudpuppy: hd cable box? |
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[22:21:36] | crudpuppy: | xris, no, I don't think so |
[22:21:47] | crudpuppy: | its not got svideo on it :-( its only got rca |
[22:21:53] | bpickford: | :( cancel last – didnt work |
[22:21:54] | crudpuppy: | composite or what ever it is |
[22:22:00] | xris: | crudpuppy: svideo isn't HD, anyway. |
[22:22:03] | mateo: | what is the command to stop the backend? i tried '/etc/cron.daily/mythtv-backend stop' but it started downloading data from zap2it, and then when i started mythtv-setup it said it was still running |
[22:22:21] | xris: | you might try to convince your parents to spend the extra $5 or so for a month of playing with an HD box.. then you could just record via firewire. |
[22:22:32] | kormoc: | mateo, try /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend stop |
[22:22:44] | crudpuppy: | xris, I'm 26 yo can do it myself |
[22:22:45] | crudpuppy: | lol |
[22:22:56] | xris: | crudpuppy: ahh.. just heard you saying your mom bought you stuff... |
[22:23:02] | crudpuppy: | just cause the parents still get me xmas its not that I'm a kid |
[22:23:04] | crudpuppy: | lol |
[22:23:05] | xris: | s/heard/saw/ |
[22:23:13] | mateo: | kormoc: thanks |
[22:23:34] | xris: | crudpuppy: well, then. use your own $5/month. it's worth playing around with to see what channels your cable provider gives you in the clear. |
[22:24:01] | crudpuppy: | so, with the digi box and firewire I can actually change channels with out changing the cable box? |
[22:24:13] | crudpuppy: | or still need a blaster? |
[22:24:23] | kormoc: | they change via firewire |
[22:24:27] | kormoc: | firewire works both ways |
[22:24:30] | xris: | depends on the brand of the box. motorola can change via firewire. |
[22:24:38] | crudpuppy: | hmmm, interesting |
[22:24:45] | xris: | crudpuppy: and you don't need a tuner, either. |
[22:25:36] | crudpuppy: | k, xris I'll have to remember that....so what myth hooks direct into firewire somehow? |
[22:25:42] | crudpuppy: | link to a doc on that would be cool |
[22:25:54] | kormoc: | crudpuppy, check the myth wiki, tons of writeups... |
[22:25:59] | crudpuppy: | ah ok |
[22:26:10] | xris: | crudpuppy: works great, when it works. |
[22:26:16] | crudpuppy: | when it works? |
[22:26:31] | xris: | you do have to be VERY explicit with the cable co.. some of them aren't so keen on the law requiring them to give you firewire. |
[22:26:53] | crudpuppy: | oh there is a law saying they have to give it to you? |
[22:27:40] | xris: | for HD customers who ask, yes. |
[22:27:46] | xris: | FCC passed a law a couple of years ago |
[22:27:49] | crudpuppy: | coolies, whats that all about? |
[22:28:37] | xris: | technically, the law says that they must provide 480p (high res SD) samples for all stations that you could receive OTA. Since downsizing hardware is expensive, they usually just pass all broadcast channels through at full res. |
[22:28:42] | crudpuppy: | I was reading something the other day where fcc or someone was gonna put a special bit on the signal to tell pvr systems not to record |
[22:28:46] | xris: | *some* cable providers also give you all of the digital cable channels, too. |
[22:29:13] | xris: | that's the broadcast flag. only applies to broadcast stuff. and it got tossed out (for now). |
[22:32:39] | Krazylegz: | Hmm, mythfrontend dies when I try to access settings for things like DVD and Video, but works fine for Image settings. Any ideas on why? |
[22:32:47] | Krazylegz: | I'm looking through the log and the last entry is a query and it looks fine. |
[22:32:57] | mateo: | what's the default keyboard shortcut to change channels in live tv? |
[22:34:31] | Anduin: | mateo: It rhymes with arrow |
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[22:40:55] | rogue780: | does anyone in here have a front end running with ubuntu and Lirc? |
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[22:41:23] | rexer: | i saw the same error go by.. and its still compiling.. |
[22:44:29] | rogue780: | xris, I'm having some problems with lirc and ubuntu, think you might be able to help me? |
[22:44:34] | crudpuppy: | rexer, what error? |
[22:44:47] | xris: | rogue780: probably not. I don't know much about either of them. |
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[22:45:18] | rexer: | dangit.. |
[22:45:19] | rexer: | ../../libs/libmythtv/libmythtv-0.19.so: undefined reference to `glXGetVideoSyncSGI' |
[22:45:23] | rexer: | ../../libs/libmythtv/libmythtv-0.19.so: undefined reference to `glXWaitVideoSyncSGI' |
[22:45:33] | rexer: | ok.. what next.. |
[22:45:35] | rogue780: | xris, grr thanks anyway |
[22:45:47] | rexer: | emerge sync'ing |
[22:45:58] | kormoc: | rexer, like Cardoe said, you need to use mythtv-0.20 or higher |
[22:46:16] | crudpuppy: | rexer, you on gentoo? that just a warning or an error? i don't pay attention to warnings |
[22:46:17] | crudpuppy: | lol |
[22:46:29] | crudpuppy: | oh your not running ~x86 on those? or well what ever your arch is |
[22:46:44] | crudpuppy: | you need to add ~arch to get the latest stuff |
[22:46:48] | crudpuppy: | much better setup that way |
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[22:48:56] | Krazylegz: | So...I don't know what my audio device is. |
[22:49:20] | Krazylegz: | mpg123 plays fine without any arguments, but -a /dev/dsp or -a /dev/audio don't work. So, I'm guessing that /dev/dsp and /dev/audio aren't it. |
[22:49:27] | rexer: | kormoc: it stopped.. |
[22:51:33] | Krazylegz: | Hmm. Mythfrontend is crashing because it's out of memory? |
[22:53:48] | rexer: | crudpuppy: "i don't pay attention to .." the little man behind the curtan... *firE RoOAR* |
[22:54:00] | rexer: | :) |
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[22:54:41] | rexer: | >>> Updating Portage cache: 100% |
[22:54:50] | crudpuppy: | rexer, huh? |
[22:55:04] | rexer: | so run #emerge mythtv right? |
[22:55:06] | difeta_: | hey all! My cable is not going to be working for the next week. How can I tell mythtv not to record anything for a week? |
[22:55:21] | xris: | difeta_: turn off the machine? |
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[22:55:38] | crudpuppy: | rexer: http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Setup_MythTV <--read |
[22:55:49] | rexer: | ahhh... Emerging (1 of 2) media-tv/mythtv-0.20_p12172 to / |
[22:55:50] | difeta_: | xris: that is a solution, but I still wanto watch the recorded programs |
[22:56:04] | xris: | difeta_: you may just have to manually disable everything that's scheduled. |
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[22:58:00] | kormoc: | difeta_, remove the link from the video source to the input source |
[22:58:21] | janneg: | difeta_: restart the backend with --nosched |
[22:58:29] | difeta_: | kormoc: that is a solution. I'll try that thanks. |
[22:58:46] | ** LLyric finds "30 Rock" on his mythbox. Hmm, that's not too bad ** | |
[22:59:35] | xris: | kormoc: good idea |
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[23:02:41] | ** janneg feels ignored ** | |
[23:02:46] | Cardoe: | crudpuppy: don't follow that wiki |
[23:02:48] | Cardoe: | it's crap |
[23:03:24] | janneg: | --nosched is cleaner and simpler |
[23:03:51] | rexer: | i remember readting that a while back... |
[23:04:13] | kormoc: | janneg, won't hold over reboots |
[23:04:40] | kormoc: | janneg, which was important to me, which is why I did it the way I did |
[23:05:13] | rexer: | i was not able to get the base system installed before the rest of packages. |
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[23:06:16] | janneg: | kormoc: just add it to the init script options |
[23:06:25] | rexer: | i still need to get apache and other protocols too and components for lircd. |
[23:06:28] | kormoc: | janneg, true, that would work |
[23:06:39] | abarbaccia: | hey quick question – i have digital cable and a DVB card for HD channels in north america. |
[23:06:48] | abarbaccia: | do i only need one video source or two? |
[23:08:33] | abarbaccia: | no takers? |
[23:09:01] | ** rexer is clueless.. mybox not workie.. ** | |
[23:09:24] | abarbaccia: | i think im gonna go with the same listing data and two seperate video sources... |
[23:09:28] | abarbaccia: | geeze is this stuff confusing |
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[23:39:31] | rexer: | <Cardoe> rexer: 0.20_p12172 is stable ... Thank you... |
[23:43:39] | xris: | abarbaccia: mythtv calls listings data a "video source" |
[23:44:00] | abarbaccia: | xris, okay, so we have two cards, one for HD and one for Analog |
[23:44:07] | abarbaccia: | do i need 2 video sources or only one |
[23:44:09] | xris: | abarbaccia: you're going to want two listings sources |
[23:44:24] | abarbaccia: | because one is going to just have the HD channels taht are avail? |
[23:44:28] | xris: | mythtv will straighten out the differences between things based on the callsigns |
[23:44:58] | abarbaccia: | when i go to identify the HD channels, do i need to specify HD or is ABC good enough? |
[23:45:03] | xris: | abarbaccia: yes. and because HD channels often have subchannels (e.g. I have like 5 PBS channels for channel 9) |
[23:45:13] | xris: | abarbaccia: let mythtv/zap2it do that |
[23:45:33] | abarbaccia: | okay, so when i go to identify i just say, oh its ABC, lets just use ABC andl et myth figure out the rest |
[23:45:38] | xris: | y |
[23:45:41] | abarbaccia: | great |
[23:45:44] | abarbaccia: | thanks buddy |
[23:45:52] | xris: | it'll actually probably something like ABC_DT for digital |
[23:46:03] | abarbaccia: | hurm... |
[23:47:06] | xris: | let it sort itself out, though |
[23:47:09] | Cardoe: | right now I'm getting annoyed with my setup of HD |
[23:47:17] | Cardoe: | MythTV double records the episode |
[23:47:25] | Cardoe: | it records it over the pcHDTV card |
[23:47:28] | fryfrog: | Cardoe: one HD, one SD? |
[23:47:30] | Cardoe: | and then records it off the PVR-500 |
[23:47:32] | Cardoe: | fryfrog: yeah |
[23:47:47] | fryfrog: | Cardoe: I removed the SD channels that were "identical" from my line up at data direct |
[23:48:05] | fryfrog: | and since i have HD firewire and HD air2pc cards, I made sure the channel names and xmltv ids were identical |
[23:48:21] | Cardoe: | abarbaccia: the other thing I've noticed is channel identifiers are different for HD and non-HD |
[23:48:22] | fryfrog: | and my air2pc cards have a higher priority, so they'll record HD before the firewire does |
[23:48:34] | Cardoe: | fryfrog: my pcHDTV has a higher priority too |
[23:48:47] | Cardoe: | fryfrog: the only problem is when I wanna record 2 shows at the same time |
[23:48:52] | Cardoe: | one on ABC and one on CBS |
[23:49:01] | Cardoe: | then I want one in HD and one not. |
[23:49:12] | Cardoe: | but then later on I wanna record CBS in HD |
[23:49:13] | fryfrog: | ah, cause you only have 1 pcHDTV and the SD card? |
[23:49:16] | Cardoe: | yep |
[23:49:20] | fryfrog: | humm |
[23:49:29] | Cardoe: | I noticed though the channel ids are different |
[23:49:33] | fryfrog: | so you kind of *dont* want to remove the line up :( |
[23:49:46] | fryfrog: | Cardoe: have you seen the fine tune priority tweaking you can do? |
[23:50:01] | Cardoe: | WJCT is ABC for me |
[23:50:05] | fryfrog: | I don't think it would help, but I was actually able to give HD shows a +1 or 2 priority |
[23:50:11] | Cardoe: | WJCTabc is the HD version |
[23:50:11] | abarbaccia: | alright – so the question is, use a digital cable listing from zap2it or use a local broadcast? |
[23:50:19] | Cardoe: | fryfrog: that's what I do. |
[23:50:40] | Cardoe: | So I should rename WJCTabc to WJCT? |
[23:50:44] | Cardoe: | and the problem should go away? |
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[23:51:17] | fryfrog: | Cardoe: well, i'm not sure |
[23:51:28] | fryfrog: | I think it will still record one HD and one SD if you record two at once |
[23:51:39] | blahblahblah: | frontend and setup are not recognizing the running backend even when I set up the ip as 127.0.0.1 |
[23:51:41] | fryfrog: | and it won't go back and record the SD show in HD later, I don't think |
[23:51:44] | blahblahblah: | I'm at a loss |
[23:51:57] | fryfrog: | but I do think it'll stop it from recording 2 of the same show (one in HD, one in SD I assume?) |
[23:52:13] | Cardoe: | for example |
[23:52:23] | Cardoe: | CSI and Grey's are at the same time |
[23:52:29] | Cardoe: | I want CSI and my roommate wants Grey's |
[23:52:36] | Cardoe: | so the HD tuner has a priority of 5 |
[23:52:41] | Cardoe: | and the PVR-500 has a priority of 0. |
[23:52:55] | Cardoe: | Grey's and CSI both are available over HD |
[23:53:06] | Cardoe: | I want CSI to be HD |
[23:53:12] | Cardoe: | so I set it's priority higher then Grey's |
[23:53:23] | Cardoe: | So it records CSI over HD and over the PVR-500 |
[23:53:26] | Cardoe: | and skips Grey's |
[23:54:42] | fryfrog: | ahhhh |
[23:54:52] | fryfrog: | hummm |
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[23:55:05] | fryfrog: | well, i'm not sure if it will fix that or not now... |
[23:55:15] | fryfrog: | i guess, at least you can back it out |
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