Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Thursday, December 21st, 2006, 00:07 UTC

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slowone:

how many capture cards can one put in a system before you start to run in to trouble? (ie in practice how many do yall have?)

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juski:

I have 3, but folks have more

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Mito:

Ok, well, thanks for the help Cybertoy, I gotta run for now.

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slowone:

i guess the other way to look at it.. i will have a haupage pvr 500 and a kworld atsc.. I have a fileserver (to be used as the backend (master)) i plan to put the pvr500 in it... i have a sperate box to use as the frontend.. would it make more since to place the atsc card also in the fileserver or would it be better to run a slave backend on the frontend box (planning to have front end box on all the time, and at least allow it to flag co

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slowone:

mercials if job queue is high)?

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stealth:

i have a sa3250 and im trying to capture over 1394... im testing via test-mpeg2 right now... somtimes it works and somtimes it dosent?

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|Torg|:

is there a way to merge two datadirect listings on a single tuner?

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janneg:

slowone: it doesn't matter, recording with hardware encoder/dvb/atsc cards doesn't need much resources. if you plan to have local storage in the frontend, it might make sense to put the atsc card there but it wouldn't make a big difference

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Inssomniak:

|Torg|, ok I configured the modelines for 1080i and 720p, but in the setup for myth, I go to where to select different res's for different modes, but 1024x768 is as high as I can select, plus a whack of other resolutions that I didnt even put in there

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|Torg|:

you cant do 1080 or 720 with a non HDTV

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Inssomniak:

the TV is an HDTV

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|Torg|:

can it display 1920x1080?

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Inssomniak:

yes

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|Torg|:

what refrish rate? what did EDID tell you?

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Inssomniak:

I dont know

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|Torg|:

run X was "X -verbose 6 > x.log 2>&1 &"

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|Torg|:

hit ctrl-alt-bksp to kill it

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|Torg|:

then take that X.log and pastebin it

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slowone:

janneg: 20gig drive in frontend, debian stable + x + mythtv + stepmainia =~ 4gig used

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slowone:

gig-e network

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chickeneater:

is there a way to have direct access to a PVR-250 tuner, bypassing the MPEG-2 encoder?

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slowone:

fileserver is 1.5TB hardware raid5

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jams:

chickeneater- no

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|Torg|:

slowone what speed in writes do you get to the raid5?

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slowone:

currently 53mbit~ but that is not a usefull value :(

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slowone:

currently 53mbit/sec~ but that is not a usefull value :(

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|Torg|:

it is if you consider your ATSC is about 20M/s

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|Torg|:

so record 3 at a time and youll understand why

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slowone:

no no no ;p

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slowone:

currently my raid controller (pci-x) is sitting in a normal pci slot on a dual p2–400

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** juski battles with css **

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|Torg|:

And I would venture to guss its mBYTES not mBITS

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juski:

that's interweb css fyi

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** jams watches juski lose **

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L2SHO:

does anyone have any idea how to make udev load my sound card driver before it loads the driver for my pcHDTV?

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slowone:

sooooon (as in next week monday) my raid controller will be sitting in a smithfeild box + a proper pci-x slot so should have much more bandwidth so it can reach is 'advertised' max speed of 573mbit/sec

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L2SHO:

in gentoo linux

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chickeneater:

jams: would I need a card like WinTV-GO?

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juski:

arghhh!

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** juski stabs css **

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juski:

I win!

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jams:

chickeneater- yes a framegrabber card is what you want

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chickeneater:

ok... My intentions are to hook it up to a game console... Is there a better idea?

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juski:

chickeneater: framegrabber card is what you need for that

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chickeneater:

ok

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juski:

otherwise there will be lag & you will lose every game

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juski:

you can't frag someone who killed you 10 seconds ago ;)

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|Torg|:

hmm just timeshirt it to the futre

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|Torg|:

you can then frag somone 10 seconds from now

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juski:

jees it's cold in here

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chickeneater:

heh

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SavageOne:

howdie folks

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chickeneater:

dang... I don't want to get another tv :/

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chickeneater:

I suppose I could just get a framegrabber

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SavageOne:

question: besides knoppmyth, what's the easiest possible distro I could build a mythtv box w/? I understand I'd have to load a dsitro like fedora or ubuntu or gentoo or something, b ut which one is the easiest most supported for myth?

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SavageOne:

can I just build a ubuntu based box and apt-get all the stuff I need?

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|Torg|:

whats wrpong with knoppmyth

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SavageOne:

i just don't have a ton of experience for getting in over my head so i figure the easiest one that's most documented would work fine

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SavageOne:

I don't mind it

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juski:

knoppmyth is for you

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SavageOne:

but you can't update stuff or really do anything to modify

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juski:

course you can

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SavageOne:

I've had my knoppmyth box up for like 5 months

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juski:

it's based on debian-ish

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|Torg|:

apt-get update

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SavageOne:

and anytime I add or remove somethign some bullshit happens

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SavageOne:

yeah torg

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|Torg|:

go fix /etc/apt/sources.list

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juski:

yeah well welcome to noob land

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SavageOne:

but if I do apt get, the shit messes up mythtv

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|Torg|:

stay away from unsuported

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SavageOne:

like if I did updates to pieces etc

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|Torg|:

then svn myth and compile it

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SavageOne:

that's where I get lost

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SavageOne:

hehe

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juski:

question is, do you want a mythtv box or a linux desktop which does mythtv?

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SavageOne:

pretend knoppmyth doesn't exist

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SavageOne:

what's the NEXT easiest

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SavageOne:

what are you guys using

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juski:

we're gurus

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|Torg|:

debian sarge with svn

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juski:

so it's immaterial

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|Torg|:

go get RH fedora and pay for support

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SavageOne:

yes and gurus normally pick what's most reliable

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Paladine:

oooo looks like I am going to inherit some new kit after xmas

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SavageOne:

and reliability is key abve easy

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|Torg|:

or get ubu and run a big bloated box too

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FunkyELF:

anyone use virtualdub to edit and encode video?

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SavageOne:

I've got like 500 gbs of stuff I've collected... so far

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Paladine:

an AMD 3000+ Barton and mobo :)

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|Torg|:

then load knoppmyth

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juski:

I'm on ubuntu but I ended up building mythtv myself

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SavageOne:

k

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|Torg|:

load knopmyth and you can svn and compile everything without anything extra

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|Torg|:

in fact I use knoppmyth for distcc hosts

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|Torg|:

AHHH I fixed datadirect, I lied about where I live

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|Torg|:

nice setup they got there

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chickeneater:

can you guys recommend a cheap framegrabber card?

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cureless:

chickeneater: as in a real framegrabber?

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chickeneater:

as in no lag :P

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chickeneater:

rather, extremely little lag

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chickeneater:

or a non-hardware-encoding card

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chickeneater:

(if that's what I need)

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cureless:

I was going to say a Matrox card, but you just need a tuner

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Dagmar:

chickeneater: I think perhaps "in some other channel" is a sound answer

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Dagmar:

Framegrabber cards are all painful for use with MythTV.

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cureless:

chickeneater: what's your problem?

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cureless:

chickeneater: the pvr's work just fine for most uses.

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chickeneater:

I have to hook up my game console to my computer and I don't want to drop a ton of money on a tv

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revelude:

could someone suggest why MythTV won't add my capture card to the list of cards, even after i choose to add it?

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chickeneater:

I have a PVR-250 already, but I hear there is lag due to the hardware MPEG-2 encoder

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cureless:

chickeneater: and I assume your monitor doesn't take video input.

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chickeneater:

nope :/

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cureless:

chickeneater: the lag is small, it's mythtv that takes a bit of time

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chickeneater:

my future monitor will hopefully do that

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|Torg|:

and an rf modulator is too expensive

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cureless:

chickeneater: though I guess it depends on the games you play

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Dagmar:

chickeneater: Yep. Pretty much *any* Bt8x8-based card will work for what you want then, I just wouldn't recommend trying to use it with MythTV

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chickeneater:

ok

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Dagmar:

Now, if you're trying to record your gameplay, use your head. Buy a splitter.

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chickeneater:

it's a gamecube and I'll be playing smash

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|Torg|:

my bt8x8 card has issues with irqs

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chickeneater:

no, I just need something to view my gaming

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cureless:

chickeneater: get an "old" hauppauge on ebay

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|Torg|:

its called an rf modualtor

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chickeneater:

so you are saying that I can use my PVR-250 and my gamecube with minimal lag?

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Dagmar:

nope

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chickeneater:

dang

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cureless:

chickeneater: it'll be small, but not zero

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chickeneater:

ok

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revelude:

why might mythtv-setup ignore my request to add a capture card?

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cureless:

chickeneater: but definitelly not with mythtv

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|Torg|:

http://kaanza.com/Shopping/ProductDetail.asp?Productid=274384

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Dagmar:

Before they started making the PVR-xxx cards, everything Hauppauge made pretty much used the Brooktree chipset

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|Torg|:

the thing you want is called an RF modualtor

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Dagmar:

|Torg|: He has no TV.

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|Torg|:

you can get them at just abouit any elextrocis shop

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|Torg|:

do a monitor, you can do that too

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|Torg|:

same idea

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Dagmar:

Dude, I've yet to see anything to convert composite video output to VGA

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|Torg|:

go look up the car forums

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chickeneater:

vga has RGB pins, but also has information pins to control the monitor from the computer, if I remember correctly

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juski:

I've seen a little box to convert composite to VGA. it looked awful

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cureless:

chickeneater: search ebay for bt878

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chickeneater:

and I don't think vga will work unless the source can control it

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chickeneater:

ok

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cureless:

chickeneater: maybe one of these: http://btwincap.sourceforge.net/supportedcards.html

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chickeneater:

thanks

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cureless:

though if you have a expensive stereo receiver it might take video in and have dvi out.

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slowone:

chickeneater: if you have the $$ google yourself up 'switcher scaler'

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cureless:

chickeneater: I guess your other option is to get a video card with vivo

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|Torg|:

there are plenty of composite to vga boxes out ther, some cost a bit

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|Torg|:

they are commonly used in car pcs

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chickeneater:

hahaha

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jcl:

im having the strangest problem with d10control.pl & my backend (0.20.0-fixes)... basically, after every reboot tuner0 shows nothing but static (from a D10–300 DTV box). Checked google (of course), mythtv-users list archives, and done a lot of troubleshooting myself and i really think its either the d10control.pl itself or some obscure bug. details are up at http://pastebin.ca/286975

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chickeneater:

if I have the money

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|Torg|:

http://www.svideo.com/video2vga.html

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jcl:

anyone here heard of a problem like that?

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chickeneater:

If I would pay that much money I might as well just get a tv

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cureless:

jcl: any chances you're getting the tuner output and not the s-video/component?

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cureless:

composite*

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jcl:

cureless: i only have one input setup (the tuner)

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jcl:

interestingly, if i set up say composite0 and tuner0, switching back and forth between the two using th frontend also seems to clear up the problem

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cureless:

jcl: maybe you're in the wrong channel

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cureless:

(or you have 2 tuners? pvr-500 ?)

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jcl:

cureless: thats what i think... the d10control.pl (or something else?) isnt doing its "preset tuner to channel" bit before calling d10control.pl

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jcl:

cureless: nope, just one pvr-350

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cureless:

jcl: could be, try changing the channel externally with v4l2-ctl (iirc)

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cureless:

see if that gets you an image.

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jcl:

i'd considered that... so if that does work then the theory would be that for some reason the backend isnt pre-setting the tuner channel properly, correct?

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cureless:

jcl: right (or some script is not doing it, or some default changed)

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jcl:

hmm

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jcl:

ok ill give that a go right now

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jcl:

cureless: thanks :)

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FunkyELF:

anyone know how to tell the audio rate of an mpeg file?

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cureless:

FunkyELF: you can play it in mplayer and it'll tell you

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FunkyELF:

how about from a terminal?

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cureless:

mplayer runs in a terminal, you don't have to watch the output

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FunkyELF:

I'm trying to use virtualdub and audio and video are out of sync, so I'm trying to use avisynth to specify the rates

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FunkyELF:

got it, thanks

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shodan:

can the Slingbox be used with mythtv ?

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cesman:

i don't know

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cesman:

but mythstreamtv exist, so there is no need for a slingbox

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jcl:

cureless: yep. ivtv-tune --channel=3 does the trick

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cureless:

jcl: sounds about right.

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jcl:

so the question is, is it ivtv causing trouble, or something in mythtv...

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cureless:

jcl: don't know, I don't use the tuner.

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cureless:

jcl: submit a bug if you find one or talk to the developers

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shodan:

cesman, I'm talking about using the slingbox as an ethernet video capture card.. as a source for mythtv, not to use it like mythstreamtv

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cesman:

i don't know

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jcl:

cureless: well at least i have a vaugue direction to move in now. thanks for your input.

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cureless:

jcl: my pleasure

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Paladine:

anyone know off the top of their head who wrote/maintains mythmusic plugin?

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onixian:

chickeneater: why not one of this?

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onixian:

http://www.goldenshop.com.hk/AI-trad/gc/vgacable.htm

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juski:

yes! I've cracked it!

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Paladine:

?

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juski:

this cascading wossname stuff is pretty neat

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|Torg|:

Paladine svn info

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|Torg|:

Last Changed Author: oscar

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|Torg|:

Last Changed Rev: 11831

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Dagmar:

What? Cascading style sheets?

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juski:

aye. never played with them before

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Dagmar:

Ah. Yes, they're very handy.

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Dagmar:

Now wait until you see how badly IE6 fucks them up

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|Torg|:

IE6 should be blacklisted from the Internet

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Dagmar:

Agreed.

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juski:

oh no

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juski:

the background image I carved up is offset in IE

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Paladine:

torg, I don't suppose you know this oscar person or how to contact them do you?

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Dagmar:

juski: Do you know why so many websites have their css data pulled in through an href include?

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juski:

yeah

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Dagmar:

juski: It's because they've got a BrowserType item handing over "special" stylesheets to IE users

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delirounix:

hi

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delirounix:

anyone from the USA Empire?

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|Torg|:

empire?

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slowone:

not an empire... a nation currently lead be a retard :(

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Dagmar:

Hey, give it time.

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slowone:

by*

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|Torg|:

hes not retarted, hes just slow

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slowone:

ya 2 more years /sigh

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Dagmar:

George can't keep it quiet that he's completely confused for much longer than the new year

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|Torg|:

at least we got rid of ol Ashcroft

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delirounix:

so this works in the Empire?

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Dagmar:

The look on his face at press appearances lately has been much like a little kid who knows his bad grades are in the mail already

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Dagmar:

He's scared.

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delirounix:

Arseshroft <--- ;-)

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Dagmar:

So what _MythTV_ question did you have?

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Paladine:

I need someone who is capable of going through the mythmusic plugin code for me

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Paladine:

and telling me what specific query it sends to the database for the mp3 metadata at playback time

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|Torg|:

Paladine what is it you need?

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Dagmar:

Dude, just turn on query logging

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Paladine:

dagmar, thats a lot of queries

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delirounix:

anyone? MythTV in teh USA?

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Paladine:

I want to set up a custom log function to only log this specific query

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Dagmar:

It's a lot more work sifting through the source code

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Dagmar:

Tail the bloody log in realtime

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delirounix:

:-(

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|Torg|:

run teh FE with -v all and see what it does :)

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Dagmar:

There's LOTS of easier ways than diddling the source

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Paladine:

doesn't give you the data in FE

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Paladine:

I already checked

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Dagmar:

Otherwise, I suggest you google some C++ primers

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|Torg|:

if its talking to the database, then it will tell you

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|Torg|:

query.exec("DELETE FROM settings WHERE value='MusicDBSchemaVer';");

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|Torg|:

and it most certainly does have routines to talk to it

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Dagmar:

ick. I meant to say a lot LESS work than sifting through the source code

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Paladine:

I just wanna grab the music playback queries for an xchat script is all

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Dagmar:

delirounix: And what does your question have to do with MythTV

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Paladine:

its the only sensible way I can think of to determine what song is currently playing

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Dagmar:

Paladine: You damn well will NOT start posting what you're listning to to the channel.

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Dagmar:

That's nasty

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|Torg|:

well its in playlist.cpp afaik

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Paladine:

Dagmar, I am in like 30 channels on 6 different networks

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kormoc:

delirounix, I'm a mythtv user who lives in the US

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|Torg|:

I see wher it slects name, playtime, etc from it

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delirounix:

kormoc ok thanks, does it work with Time Warner?

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|Torg|:

Paladine is an irc junky I kow of this first hand :)

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kormoc:

delirounix, why wouldn't it?

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Dagmar:

delirounix: What type of provider is Time-Warner?

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Dagmar:

i.e., what *service* are you getting from them

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|Torg|:

Time-Warner is the provider

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delirounix:

kormoc I don't know never used it

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Paladine:

|Torg|, I just like to keep my finger on the button :)

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|Torg|:

who they got it from is a differnt story

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Dagmar:

delirounix: Then your question is unanswerable.

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delirounix:

so is it ok the Tripple Play?

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delirounix:

why?

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|Torg|:

its quite posible with a dvb-c card to get a handfull of QAM channels

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Dagmar:

Because you don't know what you're getting from them

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|Torg|:

and with a plain ol Bt8x8 card you can tune what any old cable tuner can for analog

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delirounix:

Dagmar c'mon give me a chance... givin such a hard time to a n00b

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Dagmar:

You might as well be asking if MythTV can use sparkling wines

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Dagmar:

Flip a coin then.

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Dagmar:

The answer will be about as meaningful.

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|Torg|:

hey Dagmar can myth use sparkling wines?

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delirounix:

ok how about the Tripple Play, is it compatable with MythTV?

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|Torg|:

better yet can it make me coffee in the morning :)

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Dagmar:

If you're getting digital cable, it's a maybe. If you're getting "regular" analog cable, then it can use it. In both cases you can forget pay channels without extra engineering on your end

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Dagmar:

What's this "Triple PLay"?

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|Torg|:

delirounix it would help imensly if you indeicated if its digital cable or not, and what it was you wanted to watch

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GreyFoxx:

Dagmar: He is referring to when a provides Video, Internet AND phones

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|Torg|:

personally id tell you to go to Time Warner and tell them to shove there cable and prices up their ass, go get some ATSC cards and be done with it

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jams:

the triple play is for digital cable, but the analog channels are included

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Dagmar:

GreyFoxx: That's what I figured.

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delirounix:

ohh... would Time Warner notify me what are they installing ?

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Dagmar:

I should bloody well hope so

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delirounix:

I have a coaxial polpug in the wall

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Dagmar:

Ot

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GreyFoxx:

delirounix: Myth's ability or not to acess/record your TV has nothing to do with your phone or internet serice coming from them

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Dagmar:

It's not often you let people in your house to install things without knowing what it is they're installing.

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Dagmar:

You could wind up with deadly gas lines.

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|Torg|:

delirounix I take it they havnt installed anything yet, what did they tell you they are gong to install?

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** GreyFoxx smells a troll **

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Paladine:

|Torg|, imagine myth with an X10 controller plugin, then it could make your coffee in the morning :)

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delirounix:

nope, nothing installed yet, that's why I am asking of what stuff should I take into account before I sign up for any serrvice

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|Torg|:

my coffe pot already grinds beans and makes coffee on a timer :P

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Dagmar:

delirounix: You should probably read through the website

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Dagmar:

What you can do depends ENTIRELY on what type of service you sign up for

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Paladine:

|Torg|, yeah butthen with some tweaking, we might be able to come up with mods for mythstreamcoffee

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delirounix:

|Torg| what was that about ATSC card? And shove cable up Timer Warner arse? Never heard of ATSC before

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Paladine:

so you don't evenhave to get out of bed for your first cup

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|Torg|:

delirounix you live in the US? near a place where tehy brodcast TV maybe? ever hear of teh FCC and its madated HDTV....take a guess what that is

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delirounix:

|Torg| I've heard of uber-geeks getting freking HDTV from the air with a $1000 card. I don't have that kinda money. Although throuhg the live of a regular service I probabbly end up payingmore than $1000

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|Torg|:

lets see mine cost about $60

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kslater:

mine cost $30 with shipping

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|Torg|:

that and you need an antenna, depens on how far you are a coat hanger just may work

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kslater:

sorry $35

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|Torg|:

sound expensive?

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Dagmar:

|Torg|: Most people get cable so they can have more than five channels. ;)

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|Torg|:

avauly agmar I get 25 stations most with more then 2 pids

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delirounix:

mm... ROFL, that's un-expensive. Wait that money WITHOUT a plan with a cable company or Direct TV?

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|Torg|:

granted 1/3 is USDTV encrytped stuff tho

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Dagmar:

|Torg|: In the US there is this evil monster called ClearChannel that ensures that in any given city you'll see a max of about 8 over-the-air channels.

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|Torg|:

Dagmar where do you think I live?

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Dagmar:

Somewhere with a lot of community access channels, I suspect

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delirounix:

what's community access channels?

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juski:

md5sum /media/blootube-wide.tar.bz2

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|Torg|:

no somewhere where they brodcast USDTV and spanish channels

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juski:

bum

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Dagmar:

Channels that air such wonderful programs as "Watching Paint Dry" and "De-Grouting with Sam"

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delirounix:

wait... I wan't National Geograpchi, Science Channel, History Channel, Discovery Channel, are these free over the air?

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Dagmar:

Nope.

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kormoc:

Mmm... De-Grouting...

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delirounix:

ok then I DO have to consider a cable company

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|Torg|:

from DD

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delirounix:

what about the Community Access? Oh, it means like the Free City channels?

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|Torg|:

selected staiotns 17 unslected 43

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|Torg|:

meaning there are litteraly 50 channels I can get with a plain ol antenna

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|Torg|:

and that DOESNT inclide the USDTV

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juski:

cesman: uploading the new blootube tarball now :)

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Dagmar:

Torq: I've yet to see a city where more than 1/3 of the OTA channels are even worth bothering with

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|Torg|:

and yes there is a local commuinty access channel that doesnt show up either

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|Torg|:

yes Dagmar 12 of them I find of interest whats your point they contain everything I recorded off Comcast minus HBO

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|Torg|:

differnce is I dotn pay $50 for cable, $10 to record it, $10 for antoehr TV

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Dagmar:

My point is that your television-watching habits are atypically boring.

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cesman:

juski: thanks

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|Torg|:

sure Dgamar what do you think im recording?

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cesman:

theme only or osd as well?

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delirounix:

is the Digital Cable a problem because MythTV hasn't yet implemented in the code or because is encrypted?

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Milosch:

hola

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|Torg|:

becase its encrypted

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Dagmar:

delirounix: It's a problem because it's encrypted.

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delirounix:

damn...

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Dagmar:

...which just means you have to use an IR blaster to make the digital cable box change channels and take your input from that.

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delirounix:

mmm...

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juski:

cesman: give it 3 minutes :)

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delirounix:

only the IR? Everything else would be the same? Being able to watch channels and so on?

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Dagmar:

Why would you think it would be any different from using a VCR?

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|Torg|:

the irblaster acts as remote only its being sent by the cvomputer

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Milosch:

i have the pvr-500 mce remote working, and the ir blaster works just for that

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Dagmar:

If you get digital, you can at least save yourself a little hassle by trying to make sure they leave you a box with a *firewire* port

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|Torg|:

expect they will flag it and make it so you cant use firewire, most of the time randomly

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delirounix:

aright.. just one more last question, can I have streamed to more rooms?

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Dagmar:

NYC is not a region where they'll let you get video out through it, last I heard, but you can still send the channel change signals over firewire, which makes it a little easier than IR

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kormoc:

(they are only required to give you firewire if you have a HD subscription I believe)

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delirounix:

what if I have more that one TV? Do I have to purchase the extra boxes?

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|Torg|:

you have to have extra fontends

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Dagmar:

delirounix: It works the same as it would have before.

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juski:

anyone seen this? http://hdtvonpc.com/gt_a8000.html

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|Torg|:

looks like a combined ATSC/NTSC tuner

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Dagmar:

delirounix: If you only have one tuner/reciever you can only watch one channel at a time.

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kormoc:

delirounix, let's put it this way. You use a frontend to display stuff on the tv, so for each tv you want myth on, you need a frontend for it.

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|Torg|:

what about it juski

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kormoc:

delirounix, you can use one backend and as many frontends as you want

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Milosch:

one thing that has me confused is input priority

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juski:

looks cheap. got a user asking about it on the forums & I've never heard of Geniatech

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|Torg|:

does it have linux drivers?

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delirounix:

woah, frontends, backends, receivers...

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juski:

looks like it doesn't, |Torg|

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delirounix:

ok one TV=one box=frontend?

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|Torg|:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ATSC-Digital-HDTV-Tuner-P . . . cmdZViewItem

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Milosch:

delirounix: oh my

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juski:

haha.. doesn't look promising when they also make a capture device called the 'handycap'

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Milosch:

lol

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Milosch:

that is an unfortunate name

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delirounix:

Milosch sorry.. I am a n00b but eventually I get stuff to work

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Dagmar:

delirounix: The backend handles all recording. Frontends deal with playback. Read the website

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Milosch:

delirounix: i hear ya, i just started up with this a couple of months ago

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delirounix:

ok... so if I have one box and several tuners on the computer I can have TV in more than one TV?

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juski:

hokees. new version, same filename. www.juski.co.uk :) new blootube-wide is hoffishully havayalable

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Dagmar:

Are you trying to be thick?

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Dagmar:

You can have as many TVs as you please. You just need a computer running the frontend software for each one

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Dagmar:

You need at least ONE tuner per channel you want to watch at any given moment.

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delirounix:

Dagmar 'cause I am not sure whether there are monthly fees for extra TVS

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Dagmar:

delirounix: Not like it matters

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|Torg|:

umm myth is free

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juski:

if you need extra set top boxes, there are extra fees

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|Torg|:

well at least you dont pay to download it

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|Torg|:

if you want to tune more then one, or record more then one channel you will need extra cards and boxes

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Milosch:

i don't think you can view more than one tuner on one frontend, and running two on a single pc with the backend might be tricky if not impossible

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Dagmar:

Milosch: You would be wrong.

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|Torg|:

two tuner cards is easy

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|Torg|:

you can have up to as many will fit on your bus and take irqs

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|Torg|:

Ive had up to 4

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Milosch:

i can't imagine running 4 tvs was light on the cpu

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juski:

Milosch: tell that to the guy who is running with 3 tuners right now

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k-man:

is the #mythtv channel logged anywhere?

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juski:

all recording at the same time, less than 5% CPU usage :) oh yay

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juski:

k-man: don't think so, not publically anyway

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k-man:

juski, ok

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k-man:

thakns

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Milosch:

tuners, sure, but how well does it work to be also outputting that many as well on one box, that was the intent of my comment

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delirounix:

mm... I see so let's say one room is watching, can another room simultanously watch TV with any channel?

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Dagmar:

Milosch: Do you normally watch two televisions at the same time?

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juski:

I've watched tv on up to 3 frontends without any problems

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juski:

just for testing ;)

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Dagmar:

delirounix: With two tuners you can watch two different channels at a time.

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|Torg|:

I run two frontends at the same time strmaing ATSC conttent

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juski:

one frontend cannot watch the same channel on the same tuner at the same time as another frontend though

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delirounix:

juski by froned do you mean extra boxes/montly fees? Or extra FREE of fees PC TV tuners?

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Dagmar:

delirounix: Of course, if you want to watch any of the *premium* channels that aren't scrambled, you'll need two cable boxes

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Milosch:

Dagmar: not really, but i am not rag'ing on mythtv

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|Torg|:

ok lets get this stright

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juski:

delirounix: I mean PCs

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Dagmar:

juski: Since when

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|Torg|:

a frontned playes AV from a Backend, thats ALL it does

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Dagmar:

Milosch: FYI, I can watch two full-screen videos on this machine with no problem

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|Torg|:

a Backend schedules adn records tv, that ALL it does

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Milosch:

that's cool

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juski:

Dagmar: if someone is watching livetv, someone else cannot then go into livetv & watch the same channel from the same tuner. they'd have to watch the recording

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|Torg|:

backend get tuner cards, frontend get video cards and audio cards

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Milosch:

probably a better machine than i have ;)

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delirounix:

two TV, two PC's?

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Dagmar:

juksi: Okay, that's a bit different

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Dagmar:

delirounix: yes

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juski:

delirounix: there's a video that might help you

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juski:

http://www.mythtvtalk.com/ProjectGrayhem/videos/LWmythpromo.mpg

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juski:

I really need to recode that vid to a smaller size ;)

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|Torg|:

load average: 0.12, 0.10, 0.10 < its recording ATSC now

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Milosch:

i spent a couple of hours tonight working with trunk ivtv and 2.6.19 without much success

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juski:

if you choose the right kind of tuner card(s), a reasonably specced system will be more than able to do everything you want

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delirounix:

ok I've gotta go... but I will back... 'cause I need more info on how to set this up

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delirounix:

bye

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Dagmar:

delirounix: then you should read the website.

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juski:

delirounix: read the docs!

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Dagmar:

Goddamn illiterates

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|Torg|:

hey your talking about me :P

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Dagmar:

It's americans like him that make the rest of us look bad

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juski:

|Torg|: I thought you said you just don't 'do' reading, not that you can't

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juski:

;)

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|Torg|:

oh yes, sorry fine distiction :)

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Dagmar:

That was a dude who clearly would have trouble hooking up his TV even if he weren't contemplating using MythTV

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juski:

can ah get mah teeeeeveeeee ohhhhn?

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|Torg|:

remember the users who need to put their computers back int eh box it came in and return it to the store....becas tehre too dumb to own a computer?

[02:23:20]

juski:

now now

[02:24:08]

Dagmar:

Hey, I've asked city gov'ts for a testing process to be initiated before

[02:24:09]

|Torg|:

hey I wasnt saying anything :P you gues read too much into what I type :P

[02:24:31]

Dagmar:

They don't let you drive a car without training and insurance, and any moron trying hard can do a lot more damage with a computer than a car

[02:24:41]

juski:

I think it might help if the docs had a block diagram or something

[02:24:46]

|Torg|:

juski whats wrong with the mythtalk site?

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Milosch:

juski: on a large, fold-out glossy

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|Torg|:

20:24:20 (96.55 KB/s) – Connection closed at byte 11196985. Retrying.

[02:25:14]

juski:

|Torg|: dunno. works here

[02:25:25]

|Torg|:

im trying to wget it into my video directy

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juski:

I should set up a torrent of it by rights

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|Torg|:

that would be cool

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Milosch:

next time i build on of these boxes, i need to get a better mainboard, but i wonder if you can get a mini-atx with 3–4 std pci slots?

[02:29:31]

Dagmar:

lol

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Milosch:

since i only had two, i got a 350 and a 500

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|Torg|:

hmm http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/ATSC_cards lists my cards as first gens but they report as 2nd

[02:29:54]

Dagmar:

Look closely at your motherboard and ask yourself where the fourth one would fit

[02:30:05]

Milosch:

Dagmar: true enough

[02:30:23]

Milosch:

but there is a pci express slot taking up space for now

[02:31:03]

Milosch:

perhaps a pci-x to pci riser card ;)

[02:31:12]

Dagmar:

Dude, if you're putting that many cards in it, give up on *mini*ATX and just get a full sized board

[02:31:31]

Milosch:

yet another stream of conciousness project

[02:32:01]

Milosch:

i guess i have enough trouble in there as it is, next one will have to take atsc into account

[02:32:09]

Dagmar:

Just split out a dedicated backend/database/storage machine and put it in some room where you can't hear it's fans

[02:32:30]

Dagmar:

Oh, and *no* windowed cases

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|Torg|:

but what if you like the sound of the fans :)

[02:32:37]

Milosch:

yeah, need to get a new job first

[02:32:37]

juski:

|Torg|: http://homepage.ntlworld.com/justin.hornsby2/ . . . .mpg.torrent

[02:32:56]

Milosch:

|Torg|: right, how else are you going to sleep without the calming noise

[02:33:01]

Dagmar:

I had someone last week locally who was complaining his OTA picture quality was shit and he didnt' know why

[02:33:33]

Dagmar:

Strangely, his TV was also getting terribly distorted signals because it was right next to his computer, which was in a bloody plexiglas case

[02:33:43]

juski:

hahaha

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Milosch:

heh

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|Torg|:

juski change the extensiopn on the torrents

[02:34:12]

juski:

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/justin.hornsby2/LWmythpromo.torrent

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|Torg|:

umm that and recreate the torrent :)

[02:34:25]

|Torg|:

host is not set in it

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|Torg|:

tracker is set to "http:"

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Milosch:

i like this silly little antec fusion case, though

[02:35:42]

juski:

hmmm never done this before...

[02:35:43]

Dagmar:

Milosch: So now is the time to start trawling NewEgg looking for full towers to build your new backend/storage machine. :)

[02:35:49]

Milosch:

guess it's a good frontend box

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|Torg|:

im at 86 percent now ill setup a torrent when I get down downloading

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|Torg|:

do you have a preferd tracker?

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Dagmar:

I've spent about the last hour cleaning out an old 900Mhz Athlon to use as a backend in my bedroom

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juski:

a wha?

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Milosch:

only old machines i have atm are PIII ;(

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|Torg|:

a tracker, the www host that keeps metainfo about the files in the torrent

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Dagmar:

Milosch: Just about anything capable of playing a video full screen will do as a frontend.

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Dagmar:

Milosch: I've got a 650Mhz notebook that can do it

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|Torg|:

the think the MPAA keeps prosecuting people for running

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Milosch:

when i said new job, i should have added that i quit my fulltime gig

[02:37:28]

|Torg|:

but google seems to get away with it fine

[02:37:30]

Milosch:

so, it will be awhile for upgrades

[02:37:52]

capt-rogers:

i am sur this has been asked a lot..but I have to know..Whats up with the older white dude and black dude shaking hands? I can only figure they are developers. Or they had some kind of beef in the past, and now made up...

[02:38:16]

Milosch:

capt-rogers: i am contextually challenged on that one

[02:38:56]

Dagmar:

I'll put it another way...

[02:39:03]

Dagmar:

WTF are you talking about?

[02:39:09]

abarbaccia:

so can somebody explain to me why mythmusic handles audio playback differently than everything else in mythtv?

[02:39:10]

bocaJ:

Would anyone be willing to walk me through the steps to dump just the "recordings" portion of the MySQL database? I am planning to reinstall mythTV now that I have a slightly better idea what I am doing, but I would like to be able to watch my recorded shows.

[02:39:25]

Dagmar:

abarbaccia: Because audio playback is typically very lacking in I-frames

[02:39:35]

abarbaccia:

Dagmar: what are I-frames?

[02:39:41]

Dagmar:

abarbaccia: Pictures.

[02:39:41]

Milosch:

goom rocks

[02:40:06]

abarbaccia:

Dagmar: gotcha – but now i gotta figure out why mythmusic keeps locking up on me

[02:40:32]

Dagmar:

It doesn't like Polka.

[02:40:39]

abarbaccia:

i figured out i needed to kill esd so it could use /dev/dsp but it doesnt seem to wanna work still — looks like its gonna be a long christmas break urgh...

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Milosch:

rofl

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Milosch:

friends don't let friends irc drunk...

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Milosch:

wb

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juski:

|Torg|: try http://homepage.ntlworld.com/justin.hornsby2/mythpromo.torrent

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|Torg|:

still a conneciton error

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|Torg|:

dht://09118C90BAC358EB2B537DAB9A62EEB8A521DF94.dht/announce

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keir:

I'm going to build a mythbox; what capture card should I buy? i want dual record-and-view capabilities. the myth site doesn't give a clear recommendation w.r.t. stability and support.

[02:48:27]

kormoc:

keir, well, if you want to record a single stream at a time, a pvr 150 is great, if you want to record two, dual 150's or a single 500 will do the trick

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jblack_:

keir: I just purchased the 5500 from http://www.pchdtv.com/ for $300. Its fully supported by the 2.6.20 kernel and doesn't have any firmware nastiness. :)

[02:49:03]

jblack_:

keir: After two days with it, I want a second one. :)

[02:49:52]

juski:

|Torg|: try downloading the torrent again

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leem:

jblack_, what I wanted to hear. Thinking about making the HD plunge, HD TiVO too expensive, and I'm a linux person. Are you doing HD?

[02:50:17]

|Torg|:

no need to juski it keeps checking

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jblack_:

juskileem: I'm doing broadcast hdtv. I LOVE it.

[02:50:47]

|Torg|:

who made this video juski?

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Dagmar:

Okay, I give up

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jblack_:

Most of the stations out here are mostly doing analogTV rebroadcast as hdtv. So, its like analoge, but no static.

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leem:

jblack_, exactly my plan. Leave DirecTiVO doing NTSC, start HD on mythtv.

[02:51:15]

Dagmar:

Is there *any* decent way to convert a video from PAL to NTSC and not have that annoying frame-rate jiggle left over

[02:51:24]

|Torg|:

jblack_ if your in the US there brodasting in ATSC

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jblack_:

leem: Thats the card for you. Btw, they don't tell you this, but there's a dsp built in. No sound card needed.

[02:51:39]

leem:

schweet

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leem:

jblack_, did you roll your own setup or install from one of the LiveCD's. I'm partial to deb based distros, but will do RPM if that's where the good integration is at

[02:52:46]

jblack_:

If I had the money, I'd buy one for every linuxer I know.

[02:52:54]

jblack_:

I'm using mythtv as seen by ubuntu.

[02:53:14]

juski:

|Torg|: http://homepage.ntlworld.com/justin.hornsby2/ . . . ovid.torrent

[02:53:19]

juski:

I made it, fyi ;)

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keir:

jblack_, great, thanks for the suggestion

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leem:

perfect, did a 'dry run' on junker hardware in Hoary timeframe, was really impressed with how far the s/w had come.

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|Torg|:

ok juski its stil broke the server claims the torent inst on the site

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jblack_:

I'm running feisty.

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keir:

jblack_ can you record HDTV?

[02:55:27]

juski:

aha! |Torg| try it again

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jblack_:

keir: I can. I have a bios bug, so I can't watch hdtv directly. So I transcode the hell out of everything I get. =)

[02:55:51]

jblack_:

Nova from last night was 220 megs, and still better than ntsc. I'm amazed.

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keir:

jblack_, sorry that was not clear! is there any satellite feeds that are not encrypted after coming out of your receiver?

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jblack_:

I don't have a receiver. I'm using broadcast.

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leem:

jblack_, with my budgetary constraints, feisty will be old by the time I get it all together :)

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|Torg|:

no jusky it keeps floping to filenotfound, whos tracker is this anyway?

[02:57:02]

juski:

|Torg|: one more time :)

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keir:

jblack_, so the pvr 500 has no firmwire problems?

[02:58:07]

juski:

nah this is still pissed

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|Torg|:

juski ill assume you can see me connectng, but it works once then disapears

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|Torg|:

whos trackr is this anwya?

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jblack_:

keir: The 5500? Not on this system. I didn't need to download or install anything. It just worked once I installed it.

[02:59:17]

keir:

jblack_, sorry, not the 5500 (there is no HDTV where i am), the regular haupage wintv pvr 500 mce

[02:59:30]

jblack_:

keir: YOu sure? What's your zip code?

[02:59:59]

jblack_:

I live in wilkes-barre, pa. Teeth are optional. College education is a rarity. And there's hdtv broadcasts here.

[03:00:08]

keir:

canadian boonies (muskoka)

[03:00:25]

keir:

we get 3 analog channels

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jblack_:

well, I thi k it does unencrypted cable. ANd the card has ntsc mode...

[03:00:36]

keir:

so instead we have satellite

[03:01:14]

jblack_:

I think it might have a satellite mode. If yo utell me what you need to know when I get back, I'll look at it in my setup

[03:01:43]

keir:

ok

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kormoc:

keir, you won't be able to use the pvr 500 to grab directly off of the dish, you'll need to go though a satalite receiver, just as if it is a tv

[03:01:57]

jblack_:

Somewhere there's a list of protocols. See if you can find the list, and I can look to see if this card supports it.

[03:02:02]

keir:

kormoc, yeah i realize that. what ir repeater do you guys suggest?

[03:02:20]

kormoc:

keir, I use a bundled remote + blaster. the microsoft mce remote

[03:02:24]

keir:

is myth able to blast IR to the satelite reciever?

[03:02:37]

keir:

kormoc, so the pvr500 comes with a blaster?

[03:02:39]

jblack_:

yeah. look at irblaster.

[03:02:39]

kormoc:

keir, http://www.pcalchemy.com/product_info.php/cPa . . . ducts_id/130

[03:02:52]

kormoc:

keir, that's the one I use, and aye, I use it to control a dishnetwork box

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keir:

hmm, is there no usb ir blasters?

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|Torg|:

sure there are

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kormoc:

keir, that is a usb ir blaster and receiver in one

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|Torg|:

http://www.pcalchemy.com/product_info.php/products_id/87

[03:06:01]

|Torg|:

btw juski I love the video :)

[03:07:23]

|Torg|:

what did you use to create it?

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juski:

Sony Vegas

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|Torg|:

720x576 is it a PAL format?

[03:09:02]

juski:

yup

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Dagmar:

Yep, that's PAL

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|Torg|:

normal PAL or is it a HD format?

[03:10:56]

kormoc:

normal

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|Torg|:

hell this is better then SD on ATSC :)

[03:12:10]

juski:

we get our SDTV at DVD-like bitrates @ 720x576

[03:12:21]

kormoc:

|Torg|, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PAL#External_links

[03:12:26]

juski:

it's not dvd quality though.. sometimes gets a bit blocky

[03:12:52]

kormoc:

|Torg|, the orange is PAL, cyan is NTSC, it's not /that/ much better, but it is nice :P

[03:13:12]

|Torg|:

it looks like a widescreen format when I play it on my pc

[03:13:24]

kormoc:

aye, that's the aspect ratio kicking in

[03:13:35]

kormoc:

pal is 16:9 iirc?

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juski:

pal can be 4:3 14:9 or 16:9

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|Torg|:

same as HDTV but if its 720 wide how does it keep from stretching?

[03:14:15]

kormoc:

ahh, no hard rule eh? fair nuff

[03:14:24]

juski:

different shape pixels ;)

[03:14:34]

juski:

you can have 720x480 wide too

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kormoc:

|Torg|, non-square pixels

[03:14:58]

|Torg|:

so sorta fake widescreen then?

[03:14:59]

juski:

despite the luddites in the USA wanting 'fullscreen' bollocks

[03:15:07]

juski:

no not fake at all

[03:15:17]

kormoc:

it's actaully wide, just not as pixelly :P

[03:15:31]

|Torg|:

hwy now I love my 1080I and your not prying it from my cold dead fingers :P

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Inssomniak:

my pj doesnt report all the info I need via EDID :(

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juski:

just wait til I've got 1080i at > 15mbits h.264 :-P

[03:15:54]

** |Torg| adds pixelly to his dictionary **

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** kormoc waves 1080P in front of |Torg|'s cold dead fingers... **

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juski:

mpeg2.. pleh. blockiness

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|Torg|:

kormoc its still 1920x1080 even if it is interlaced

[03:16:34]

|Torg|:

I keep it interlaced mostly so I dont have to deinterlace, thats all

[03:16:35]

juski:

well I give up on this torrenting business

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kormoc:

sure, but being uninterlaced does help out clairity a little bit :P

[03:16:51]

|Torg|:

its ok juski if I knew a good torent tracker id put it up myslef

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Inssomniak:

I get this weird wavy effect on 1080i even in interlaced mode

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juski:

Inssomniak: so deinterlace it then

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|Torg|:

Inssomniak thats the limitation of your TV combined with the no deinterlacing effect

[03:17:43]

juski:

it might be that your display doesnt accept 1080i properly

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Paladine:

hehehe, don't talk about torrent trackers around me, i might get in trouble again lol

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|Torg|:

I can get away with it becase my TV has a horz sync of 180hz

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Inssomniak:

question then, if I turn on deinterlacing, it doesnt try to deinterlace 720p then?

[03:18:08]

juski:

dont think it will, on 'auto'

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Inssomniak:

|Torg|, no it isnt, I have had 1080i interlaced on it before thats looked perfect :)

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|Torg|:

it cant deinterlace anything that inst intelacved to begin wiht

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|Torg|:

it will see its not interlaced and ignore it

[03:18:28]

juski:

I should go to bed

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juski:

g'night all

[03:18:39]

Paladine:

nite dood

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|Torg|:

tanks for the video, take care

[03:18:48]

|Torg|:

oh and the theme update too :)

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keir:

it seems like all the cards have their own quirks :( the hauppage pvr 500 looks like it has image quality and sound issues...

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kormoc:

keir, those have been fixed I beleive, it was due to a new tuner type

[03:26:27]

keir:

kormoc, ok cool.

[03:26:40]

keir:

kormoc, i am a bit worried about setting up myth though, as this is for my parents place

[03:26:53]

keir:

it needs to Just Work once i set it up

[03:27:17]

kormoc:

it could work

[03:27:29]

kormoc:

but you might need to go fix things once in a while

[03:27:33]

kormoc:

in my experences, it's not that bad

[03:29:26]

keir:

what's the recommended distro?

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|Torg|:

linuix

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keir:

:)

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keir:

ubuntu?

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defaultro:

good evening folks

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defaultro:

question about ratio. I have a 6600GT. Can we configure x to use a 2.35:1 scale for the resolution such as 1920x817?

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|Torg|:

if your display can do it, yes

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defaultro:

so xorg can do it then

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defaultro:

cool

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|Torg|:

xorg can do what the card can display mixed with what the monitor can do

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|Torg|:

most cards can VERY easily do mutliples of that resolution

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|Torg|:

mine for exzmepl can so 8192x8224

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|Torg|:

my monitor can only do 1920x1080

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defaultro:

what the .. is that card? woohooo

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defaultro:

your card is ready for ultra hdtv

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|Torg|:

oops thats backwards, sorry

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|Torg|:

8224x8192

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defaultro:

i understand

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|Torg|:

its a plain ol FX 5900

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defaultro:

that's really high though

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defaultro:

my spec can only do 2500something

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|Torg|:

hey its what X tells me the card reports as max res

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defaultro:

why is your nvidia so high?

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|Torg|:

(II) NVIDIA(0): Horizontal Visible Width : 8192

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defaultro:

you mean, xorg.log?

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defaultro:

let me check mine too :D

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|Torg|:

(II) NVIDIA(0): Vertical Visible Height : 8192

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defaultro:

ah, that would be virtual :D

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|Torg|:

sorry its 8192x8192

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|Torg|:

well *IF* I had a montor that could display that :)

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defaultro:

yes

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|Torg|:

its also a bit inactuare at times, like when it tells me my 1920x1080 is really 1920x520 but displays fine

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defaultro:

i don't have it in my log

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defaultro:

(**) NVIDIA(0): Mode "1920x1080_i": 74.5 MHz, 33.8 kHz, 59.9 Hz (I)

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|Torg|:

or when it says my timing must be in mutiples of 8 but I dont specifry it as such (I think its rounds them)

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|Torg|:

defaultro that is EDID

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|Torg|:

its what the monitor is telling the card it can display

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defaultro:

nope, i disabled my EDID

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defaultro:

(II) NVIDIA(0): Setting mode "1920x1080_i"

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|Torg|:

do you have a modeline called 1920x1080_i

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jblack_:

Hey, has anyone had a problem with agpgart reporting stolen memory whenever they try to play certain types of media?

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defaultro:

yes

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|Torg|:

ok its becase you TOLD it to do it then :P

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defaultro:

yep

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defaultro:

but i was hoping that I can do custom ratio like 1920x817

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|Torg|:

I tell mine the same, expect it thinks that mode is 1080x540 even tho it displays fine

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defaultro:

which is 2.35

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|Torg|:

sure, why not

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defaultro:

cool

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defaultro:

maybe, your EDID is on

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defaultro:

you have to turn it off

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defaultro:

like what happens to me

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defaultro:

quality is crap when edid is on

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defaultro:

i'm making a custom reso now, http://xtiming.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/xtiming.pl

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defaultro:

Modeline "1920x817@72" 160.16 1920 1952 2560 2592 817 832 842 858

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defaultro:

but am sure, my crt tv won't take it

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|Torg|:

try it and see what yoy monitor does

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defaultro:

it might upscale it to 1080

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defaultro:

the hdtv only supports 480i/p and 1080i

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defaultro:

crap :(

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defaultro:

but quality is jaw dropping on 1080i :D

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|Torg|:

mine climed to only do 1080p/i 720p/i and 480p/i

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defaultro:

that's sweet

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|Torg|:

EDID plus nvidai claimes it has about 60 modes (I can pastebin them if you really want)

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defaultro:

60 modes, awesome

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|Torg|:

and ive put some custom timeings in

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defaultro:

no worries

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supertux:

hi i just got a computer that i wanted to use as a myth TV box but i have no monitor and only have the S-video connection to my TV does anyone think i will be able to install linux with only this output

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|Torg|:

most are ones I dont want tho, things like 400x300

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defaultro:

exactly

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defaultro:

we only care about 16/9 ar

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defaultro:

the ratio is menttioned to you earlier is 2.35:1

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supertux:

downloaing ubuntu edgy now

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defaultro:

ubuntu?

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defaultro:

what's good thing about ubuntu?

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defaultro:

why do a lot of people like it?

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supertux:

defaultro: whats not to like? very current popular distro with a lot of users and packages

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supertux:

good selection of software and only one disc

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supertux:

i would need to bother with 6 discs for fedora

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supertux:

ugg

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|Torg|:

and loade with just about everything you need...and a WHOLE lot more you dont

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defaultro:

supertux, that's why i was asking :)

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defaultro:

because i have never use it

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|Torg|:

get knoppmyth

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defaultro:

i've seen knoppmyth before and it's cool

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leem:

knoppmyth does look nice

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supertux:

|Torg|: that distro will see my s-video out of the box?

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|Torg|:

what viea card do you have?

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|Torg|:

and its not a distro question its what driver

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supertux:

nividia

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|Torg|:

which nvidia?

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supertux:

nvidia

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defaultro:

lol

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|Torg|:

mine has video come out when I boot the thing

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supertux:

yeah

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|Torg|:

its not a os issue

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|Torg|:

but I dont use the svideo card regularly

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supertux:

it would use the same nvidia drivers no matter

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|Torg|:

getting x to display out it is, usualy jsut an option

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|Torg|:

and depending on the card can display out more then one port or not

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supertux:

|Torg|: there is no other display except for the s-video

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|Torg|:

vga? dvi?

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|Torg|:

I o dvi to hdmi

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supertux:

its a fairly high end card from 3years back

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|Torg|:

I have a $120 cable and a $29 cable, both look exactlyt eh same

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supertux:

it has both vga and dvi

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|Torg|:

and svideo, yes

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supertux:

yup

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|Torg|:

what do you display on?

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didge:

hi; I work in a retail environment at a toy store / edutainment facility. We have five televisions in the store. My employer would like a little in-house realtime broadcast. He would like multiple videos playing on the screen simultainiously, watermarks, tickers, headlines, etc. Is there a linux software solution that I can use for this ?

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supertux:

only have a TV currently

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|Torg|:

didge you want more then one video ona screen at the same time?

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|Torg|:

supertux what inputs does that TV have?

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didge:

Torg; yes.

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supertux:

the svideo and the normal other jacks

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|Torg|:

supertux define "normal"

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supertux:

the 3 pronged jack

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supertux:

white yellow red

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|Torg|:

and didge what you want is a video processor, its beyond the capabilityes of most OSEs, its a dedictd pirce of hardware

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|Torg|:

altho if you could get like 4 pcr-150s running its posibel you could fead one with it

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|Torg|:

supertux how big ios the TV?

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supertux:

32 inch

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|Torg|:

hell you can do that with any ol video card :)

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|Torg|:

its just SDTV

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supertux:

yeah

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supertux:

still i think im going to run into a problem when i boot up from the disc i dont think i'm going to get any output on the TV

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supertux:

i can't even tell if the CD gets booted from

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roz:

I need to transcode everything on my myth box before I leave for christmas vacation. it is full. Everything right now is MPEG2 from the PVR250. I dont want it to transcode out the autodetected commercials. How do I accomplish this and what would be "acceptable" quality wize for the transcoding quality settings

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roz:

does anyone think they can help me? I need to do this tonight if at all possible

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supertux:

:-/

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xris:

keir: only thing that really matters is your tuner.

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keir:

xris: not so much, because if you get the wrong mobo you're toast

[04:50:53]

keir:

xris: there are a bunch of mobos that look perfect for a linux pvr, that have 'issues' (to be nice) with linux

[04:50:54]

xris:

keir: there are far more right ones than wrong ones.

[04:51:03]

xris:

keir: then stick with genuine intel

[04:51:33]

keir:

xris: my point is, i shouldn't have to know about IRC to get such recommendations

[04:51:52]

xris:

there's been talk of putting lists of setups into the wiki

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xris:

and there *are* companies selling bull blown mythboxen.

[04:52:07]

keir:

xris: there should be a page with 'Myth Tested Configurations' where all of Tuner, Mobo, vid card are specified. (ram/cd/hd/etc don't matter)

[04:52:33]

keir:

xris: actually they should suggest seagate HD's because they are silent!

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xris:

the new WD ones are just as quiet

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keir:

xris: 5yr warrenty?

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xris:

keir: yes

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keir:

wow!

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roz:

Do you know how many "good" configurations there are?

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xris:

they all have 5 year warranties now.

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xris:

roz: exactly.. keir, there are WAY too many valid configurations

[04:53:22]

keir:

xris: that's great news. i haven't bought anything but seagate for awhile because they were the only quite + 5yr ones.

[04:53:27]

xris:

I've rarely heard of problems with motherboards.

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roz:

i mean, there are very few "incompatibilities".... and it isn't Linux, or Myth's fault

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roz:

they dont work right in Windows either

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roz:

I've experienced it

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keir:

roz: who's fault it is is IRRELEVANT!

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xris:

keir: as long as you get OEM drives, they all have 5 year warranties.

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xris:

I wouldn't recommend anything other than seagate or WD, though...

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kormoc:

stick to intel or nvidia motherboard chipsets, and it'll work golden

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xris:

of course, that really just leave fujitsu, since seagate is killing off the maxtor name fairly soon.

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keir:

roz: the point is that i should not have to think or evaluate hardware if others have already done the work discovering that certain MCE-looking HW sucks

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roz:

VIA products+TV tuners have lots of problems

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roz:

have for year

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roz:

s

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roz:

I'm lucky, mine is working

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keir:

roz: there you go! something that wouldn't be on the myth highly-recommended list

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xris:

keir: except that there are LOTS of mythtv users running Via gear

[04:56:55]

keir:

xris: just because someone's got it to run after lots of fiddling, or puts up with flakey sound, or has intermittent freezes, doesn't mean it should be on the list

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kormoc:

keir, I highly recommend intel motherboards, intel processors, corsair ram, wd hard drives, nvidia gfx cards, pc power and cooling power supplys, sony cdrom/dvd drives :P

[04:56:59]

roz:

But its not like hardware incompatabilities are anything new. I have a couple RAID cards that absolutely positively won't work together with certain boards i have. Hardware that Rev's regularly (to fix such issues) is not the responsibility of someone who produces FREE software to maintain.

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keir:

roz: well, that IS myth's call. but a major blocker to wider myth adoption is ease of use

[04:57:41]

roz:

I agree with kormoc on everything, except CD Drives..... Plextor

[04:58:06]

kormoc:

roz, I tend to go with sony, as they're just rebadged plextor with a better waranty

[04:58:30]

kormoc:

keir, well, really, myth exists cause people like it, not to get people to use it

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roz:

I have not used a sony drive in years

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roz:

so i wouldn't know

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kormoc:

fair nuff

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keir:

kormoc, again, that *is* the myth dev's choice.

[04:59:17]

kormoc:

keir, meh, it's more cause myth doesn't pay the bills :P

[04:59:19]

keir:

kormoc, but i believe ultimately, a project can be more successful to for devs, when more people are using it (i.e. more devs)

[04:59:22]

roz:

people who want something as you speak of keir create it. thats how this world of free software works

[04:59:47]

keir:

roz: you are right, but i only have so much time to spend on open source stuff :(

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kormoc:

keir, same with all the myth devs

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roz:

if you've done the research, create a wiki site and put it there.

[05:00:07]

roz:

let others edit it

[05:00:09]

kormoc:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hardware

[05:00:14]

keir:

roz: right now i have an unfinished blender patch and some bazaar-ng patches :(

[05:00:21]

keir:

kormoc: except that i'm clueless

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xris:

kormoc: you beat me to it.

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keir:

kormoc: i've never set up a mythbox

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kormoc:

so? it talks about what's required, and helps you get a clue

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keir:

kormoc: yes, that page is enough that i can understand

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roz:

anyone know anything about Transcoding?

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keir:

anyway

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xris:

roz: a fair amount

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keir:

i can't make the page i want because i don't know anything about myth HW support

[05:02:24]

xris:

keir: the general rule in my book is to figure out how much you want to spend.. and then ask kormoc. :)

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** kormoc laughs **

[05:03:43]

keir:

heh

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xris:

keir: but like he said.. intel or nvidia chipsets and you'll be fine

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keir:

xris: *i'll* be fine. i can manage. i've been running linux for 8 years. but my dad? no way he'd ever buy the right set of components (even though he has run linux in the past)

[05:04:50]

xris:

keir: pretty sure most of us don't think myth is ready for widespread usage like that, anyway.

[05:04:59]

roz:

keir: his chances of buying the RIGHT stuff is a lot better than buying the WRONG stuff

[05:05:04]

xris:

takes too much work to keep mythtv going.

[05:05:13]

keir:

xris: hmmm :( so it does require a fair amount of care and feeding?

[05:05:22]

roz:

you buy an intel system....... viola good..... what to people in the real world know... intel... who is AMD

[05:05:23]

keir:

the plan was to set it up this christmas then leave

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kormoc:

keir, it /can/ last awhile, but at times, it does need it's hand held

[05:06:04]

xris:

keir: people seem to think it does.

[05:06:08]

roz:

geeks buy AMD.... and 50/50 shot of buying an nvidia board over a VIA board

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keir:

i was AMD for a long time, but went core 2 recently. damn is it ever fast1

[05:07:19]

** xris wishes his 820 would magically turn into a core2 **

[05:08:43]

keir:

given no prev myth experience, think i could set up a myth box in a couple days?

[05:09:11]

kormoc:

keir, with the docs, the wiki, and the channel, and some linux savvyness, very likely

[05:10:23]

keir:

cool

[05:11:38]

keir:

i'll probably be here asking for help on monday!

[05:11:56]

keir:

thanks for the help guys, i'm out for now

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keir:

g'nite

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supertux:

so i guess there is no way i can install ubuntu just using s-video as output

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Dr_willis:

supertux, the nvidia card i have defaults to the tv out.

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Dr_willis:

so i could do that.

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Dr_willis:

may be best to use the alternative install cd and the text based installer.

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supertux:

when i boot up i get 0 output

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supertux:

should i be able to see the bios screen?

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Dr_willis:

I can on My Nvidia 6800, actually my ati 9700 does the same thing.

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Dr_willis:

now getting X working with the tv out – may take some effort. (thats why i said try the text based installer)

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supertux:

Dr_willis: i never get any output not even text

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kormoc:

sometimes the tv isn't detected by the gfx card, and you won't get any output on it

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kormoc:

this happens a lot with older cards and those dongles

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supertux:

i dont even know if it is booting from the disc

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kormoc:

and if that's the case, there's not a lot you can do about it

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supertux:

:(

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Dr_willis:

You may need to hook up to a monitor and tv to see whats going on.

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Dr_willis:

be sure you got the video cables in the right places..

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Paladine:

tv out doesn't work until after Xorg loads

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Paladine:

which makes it kinda hard to troubleshoot ;)

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Dr_willis:

Thats odd. Both my machines it works from the start.

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Dr_willis:

most likely it depends on the exact video card.

[05:35:14]

Dr_willis:

I goofed up and had the tv out plugged to the tv once. and it defaulted to the tv.. with no output (from X) on the monitor. Console worked. I had the tv off.. and dident see X showung up on the tv.

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Paladine:

Dr_willis, there is no way it should be possible to see output on tv before X load, since xorg.conf is what sets up the tv output

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supertux:

well i've got no output with this card

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supertux:

i can try another

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kormoc:

Paladine, not entirely true. nvidia cards try to autodetect connected devices before the drivers load, if they detect a tv, they'll enable tv out

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Dr_willis:

Paladine, I can hook either of these 2 machines i got to the tv out.. i reboot.. and i can even get to the BIOS config menus on the tv.

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kormoc:

Paladine, my mythbox only has a tv hooked up to it, and I have full display from the bios and on

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Paladine:

weird, one of things I was warned about using edubuntu with only tvout, was not being able to see anything until xorg loads

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Dr_willis:

Now when X starts up.. then i have to tweak my X configs a little.

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Paladine:

but it is useful to know otherwise :)

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kormoc:

Paladine, now, it's very dependant on the tv, newer tv's don't have any issues, older ones are much harder to detect

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kormoc:

well, make that newer tv's tend not to have any issues

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kormoc:

some cheap ones still do :P

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Paladine:

our tv is toshiba

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Paladine:

or at least the one I am putting edubuntu on

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kormoc:

welp, I'm out, laters

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supertux:

well thats funny

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Paladine:

nite man

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supertux:

it worked with my much cheaper card

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supertux:

text came right up

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roz:

anyone know anything about Transcoding?

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supertux:

the screen for the installer pops up but after that i just get a blank screen

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Agrajag-:

roz: i've used nuvexport for transcoding

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supertux:

even if i just try and do a memory test

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Dr_willis:

supertux, using the live cd? or the alternativ install cd?

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supertux:

live CD

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supertux:

but if i just boot to the mtest86 it should just display text

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Dr_willis:

You may want to try out the Knoppmyth cd to isntall MythTV. I found it easier then using Ubuntu+installing mythtv.

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Dr_willis:

supertux, yea.. no idea on the memtest thang.

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cesman:

:)

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supertux:

ok i'll try that CD

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Dr_willis:

Hmm.. anyone noticed a way to get the MythTV weather module to also play a audio stream? like... the local weather forcast.. heh heh

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Dr_willis:

or just some music.. I got the tv showing the weather all day long it seems.

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supertux:

wii weather is pretty cool

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xris:

Dr_willis: never heard of that, not even in the rewrite

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supertux:

and it has music

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Dr_willis:

I got no music here.. where i need to put the music at? i got mp3's in the music dir.

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Dr_willis:

or ya mean the WII has music?

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cesman:

did you scan for music?

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supertux:

the wii forcast channel has background music

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Paladine:

mii wants a wii :)

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supertux:

toys r us has a shipment coming in

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roz:

How can I transcode w/o cutting out the commercials

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roz:

and i have no idea what settings to use

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supertux:

haha

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supertux:

finally works

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supertux:

using ubuntu live CD

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Dr_willis:

ive played music with the mythmusic stuff. lets see if i find a scan feature on the weather stuff

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supertux:

i need to be able to use my wiimote as a mouse for the mythtv box :)

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Dr_willis:

Hmm.. went to 'weather setup' and it seems to have hung the mythtv box..

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Dr_willis:

That setting interface seems 'odd' compared to the other setting interfaces

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Dr_willis:

there we go.. it came back.

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Dr_willis:

night all

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supertux:

what TV card has the best linux driver support?

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defaultro:

nvidia

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xris:

defaultro: tv, not vieo

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defaultro:

you're still asking that question :)

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xris:

supertux: what kind of tv card?

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defaultro:

oh

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defaultro:

maybe he meant tuner card?

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** xris thinks he missed a d or two **

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supertux:

tv card

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defaultro:

is it different from tuner card?

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supertux:

Hauppauge i figured

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supertux:

but which one to get

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defaultro:

you mean with rca inputs?

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defaultro:

for analog recording?

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supertux:

coax

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** defaultro bangs his head to the wall **

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xris:

supertux: "kind" could be analog, dvb (europe), atsc (US), etc.

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xris:

supertux: almost all tv wires are coaxial.

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xris:

do you mean analog cable over the RF connector?

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supertux:

i suppose it is analog

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defaultro:

xris, it's a tuner card then right?

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supertux:

im in the US if that helps

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xris:

defaultro: sounds like it

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supertux:

just a normal basic cable setup

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xris:

supertux: that's analog cable, then.

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xris:

(no cable box, no HD channels, etc)

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xris:

supertux: then you probably want a pvr-150

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xris:

from hauppauge

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defaultro:

xris, am I correct that 150 can take an rca input too?

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xris:

defaultro: yes

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defaultro:

k

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xris:

and svideo

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defaultro:

how's the driver support for it?

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defaultro:

i remember back in jan 2005, it was very hot

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xris:

same as the rest

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xris:

or do you mean for the 150 in general?

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defaultro:

should be very stable by now

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defaultro:

yes

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xris:

should be fine.

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defaultro:

what about 500?

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xris:

I don't have one anymore. lent it to a friend since I have firewire now.

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xris:

500 is just two 150s on the same card

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defaultro:

ok

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defaultro:

oh, firewire. Am i correct that the latest stable fixes does not have the capability to turn on our dct6200 via firewire/

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defaultro:

?

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xris:

dunno about fixes

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xris:

svn does

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xris:

er, trunk

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defaultro:

yep, that's what I heard too

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defaultro:

what's the new greatest feature being added to trunk?

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xris:

no clue

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xris:

I've completely revamped the settings stuff in mythweb.

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xris:

that's about all I know. heh

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xris:

I don't pay attention to when stuff goes in.

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xris:

firewire control enhancements are probably the most useful to me.

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defaultro:

ok

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defaultro:

you're lucky in your area, it's sent in clear

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defaultro:

i'm not :(

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defaultro:

off topic question, do you have a projector?

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xris:

nope

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defaultro:

k

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xris:

just a 27" crt

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defaultro:

k

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defaultro:

i have a 27" crt but it's not HD. What resolution can it accept though? It's has a component in

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xris:

probably 480p just like mine

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defaultro:

k

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defaultro:

so that means, when I create a new myth fe, i have to set xorg to only 720x480 non-interlaced

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defaultro:

have you played a 1080i recording? How does it look like?

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cesman:

hd recordings will look great even at 480p

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cesman:

while it won't be hd quality obvious

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cesman:

it will look better than SD

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defaultro:

k

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defaultro:

i was imagining it as having more pixelization in the edges since it's crunched

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xris:

cesman: unless they're interlaced

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defaultro:

do you see them? the edges of a person or any object like stair casing?

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cesman:

looks good here :)

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defaultro:

k

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xris:

defaultro: the bitrate of HD is high enough that you don't get much with that.

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xris:

only issues I've had are that 1080i doesn't deinterlace well when it's being displayed at 480 lines takk

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xris:

tall

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defaultro:

oh

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roz:

I need to transcode all of my recordings on my myth box

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roz:

can anyone help me?

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defaultro:

since I want to build an fe for room that has this 27" crt, would the nvidia fx be enough

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defaultro:

?

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defaultro:

i think, it's fx50, right?

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cesman:

rox nuvexport

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cesman:

roz: nuvexport

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roz:

cant i do it within myth?

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roz:

i dont want to export the files... just compress them

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cesman:

compressed them to what?

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defaultro:

mytharchive?

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xris:

roz: then look under recording profiles in the frontend for "transcode profiles"

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roz:

they are mpeg2 right now

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roz:

from PVR250

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roz:

I need to free up space

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xris:

roz: you're really better off just recording at a lower bitrate

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xris:

and then using the lossless commercial cutter to remove commercials

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xris:

other than that.. what I just said above about transcode profiles

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roz:

I cant change the bitrate for PVR250 can i?

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roz:

where is the lossless commercial cutter?

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cesman:

well good night folks

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cesman:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Removing_Commercials

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xris:

roz: why couldn't you change it?

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cesman:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Mythtranscode

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roz:

cuz its a chip on the card that does all the work

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xris:

and just look under transcode profiles — lossless and not-lossless are all there.

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xris:

roz: and that chip has to be told what resolution and bitrate to encode at

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roz:

ok true

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JoeyJoeJo:

I've got this line in my database "GRANT ALL PRIVILEGES ON *.* TO 'mythtv'@'192.168.2.%' IDENTIFIED BY PASSWORD '*CC8F35F587CA5A556B4132C2407E556D92172FFC'", but I still can't get my frontend to connect to the DB from a 192.168.2.% address

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xris:

roz: anyway, sounds like you need to poke around under recording profiles for several things. You should get just about all you need from there.

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xris:

JoeyJoeJo: damn that's a long password

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xris:

did you flush privileges?

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JoeyJoeJo:

xris: the password is just mythtv

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JoeyJoeJo:

yeah, I did the flish privileges

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xris:

JoeyJoeJo: no it's not, if you pasted that in.

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JoeyJoeJo:

I did the show grants command, and thats what came back

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xris:

GRANT ALL ON mythconverg.* TO mythtv@'192.168.2.%' IDENTIFIED BY 'mythtv'

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xris:

JoeyJoeJo: yes.. once it goes in, it gets encrypted.

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JoeyJoeJo:

ok, I'll try that line

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xris:

anyway, run that command.

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JoeyJoeJo:

nope, that still didn't work

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xris:

try on the commandline?

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JoeyJoeJo:

the thing is, I just moved my backend from a 192.168.0.% network where everything was fine.. now that I'm at .2.% it won't work

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JoeyJoeJo:

try what on the command line? launching the frontend?

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xris:

JoeyJoeJo: no, launch mysql from the commandline

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JoeyJoeJo:

oh, I don't think I can, I'm on a mac

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xris:

hmm

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xris:

no other machines on the network to test from?

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JoeyJoeJo:

nope, unfortunaly not

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JoeyJoeJo:

unfortunately

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JoeyJoeJo:

whats the sql command to revoke privlidges?

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xris:

revoke

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xris:

revoke all on *.* from user@'ip';

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JoeyJoeJo:

makes sense

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xris:

MAN, this mp3act code is a mess

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fryfrog:

ls

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fryfrog:

oop[s

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xris:

fryfrog: at least you didn't type your password like I did this morning. heh

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xris:

yay, I just cleared out my mythweb inbox.

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null_:

Does mythtv build against uclibc?

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bwwww:

hi. I have installed mythtv on debian unstable and I have a playtv pro card. xawtv runs fine. myth will only show the channel last viewed with xawtv and cannot change cannels. anyone know whats wrong?

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Ruleke:

hello folks

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bwwww:

i get this error in the log: 2006-12–21 23:26:45.831 Channel(/dev/video0)::TuneTo(): Error, failed to find channel.

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Ruleke:

cesman: sorry I didn't get back to you yesterday :(

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janneg:

null_: not without some modifications

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juski:

morning

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null_:

janneg: what modifications? Will everything work after or does something not work with uclibc?

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janneg:

morning juski

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janneg:

null_: the mediamonitor won't work

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janneg:

modifications to make it compile

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null_:

what exactly does the mediamonitor do?

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juski:

bwwww: you might want to try defining some channels in mythtv-setup

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janneg:

start plugins when you insert a CD/DVD/USB-Stick

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null_:

hm

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null_:

Nice feature that I'd lost then.. Guess I stay with the glibc

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LLyric:

Hmmm, it's super-smokey here now (cough, cough)

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juski:

heh. bob says, about his framegrabber audio problem: "I'm seroiusly thinking about just buying a PVR-150 instead...". good work fella

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Inssomniak:

LiveTV forcing JumpTo 1--- Fills the screen after a while

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juski:

UK tv folks & fans of 'this life' take note.. This Life+10 is on Jan 2nd :)

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tcpsyn_:

Does anyone use mythtv for radio?

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juski:

I do

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juski:

dvb-t radio, though

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tcpsyn_:

justki, hows it work?

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juski:

it's an mpeg stream similar to dvb-t tv mpeg streams, only there's no video PID :)

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Ruleke:

dvb-c radio here :)

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tcpsyn_:

not just fm?

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Ruleke:

100 channels :)

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juski:

no fm support in mythtv at all

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juski:

you can count MythFM out of the equation – it's not been updated for ages & besides that it didn't do the job properly

[13:01:20]

Ruleke:

yeah too bad ..

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Cybertoy:

what do you use to listen to the radio? LiveTV ?

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tcpsyn_:

how does the dvb radio work? Is that a subscription service?

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juski:

yeah. but I record my favourite radio shows & export them as mp3

[13:02:14]

juski:

nah it's all free

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juski:

and no you can't get it in the USA

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tcpsyn_:

pvr-500 work?

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juski:

there is NO support for FM radio in MythTV

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juski:

I think it'd be a good idea for someone to do a proper job of a radio plugin

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juski:

make database changes for it, integrate it into the scheduler properly

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tcpsyn_:

I wish I was a better programmer.

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juski:

the subject keeps coming up every now & again

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tcpsyn_:

the subject of my poor coding skills?

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juski:

mythfm might've made it into the official plugins if the author had accepted the improvements people suggested

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juski:

no, tcpsyn_ the subject of radio in mythtv

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tcpsyn_:

I know, it was a joke.

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juski:

it's a bit crap to tie up a tuner in a pvr card just for radio anyway

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juski:

much better to have an old framegrabber card which has fm radio on it

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tcpsyn_:

well I've already got a 150, I was thinking of adding a 500

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tcpsyn_:

I don't need 3 tuners.

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juski:

I thought I didn't need 3 tuners

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tcpsyn_:

heh

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** LLyric has two, had to add another two. **

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LLyric:

And there's only 8 or so channels available here!

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LLyric:

hehehe

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tcpsyn_:

jesus

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LLyric:

waiting for v4l-dvb to catch up – my card isn't quite supported yet

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tcpsyn_:

whats dvb about?

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LLyric:

digital tv. that's a strange question.

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tcpsyn_:

Well, I just have regular cable. Never dealt with digital.

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LLyric:

dvb-t (terrestial digital tv – with an antenna), dvb-s (satellite), dvb-c (cable I think)

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Ruleke:

yep. dvb-c here

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Ruleke:

now the feature everyone is nagging for is recording multiple channels on the same transport :)

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tcpsyn_:

is that even possible?

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juski:

yup

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tcpsyn_:

whoah

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juski:

I wouldn't say everybody was nagging for it

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juski:

I couldn't care less about it

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juski:

the others aren't nagging, they're _whining_

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juski:

oh and trying to buy development time with a puny amount of money

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Bernardo:

hi

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juski:

hi

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Bernardo:

Sorry for all the questions these two days, I finnaly seem to have got my mythth pc working

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Bernardo:

finally

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juski:

questions can be good

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juski:

without questions there are no answers.. hmmm yes

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Bernardo:

:)

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Bernardo:

I am still having problems with snd-bt87x, but that is a alsa problem

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juski:

alsa is a bitch

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BULLE:

alsa wfm!

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juski:

like lirc can be, you just have to make it _your_ bitch

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BULLE:

ye

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juski:

wfm?

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BULLE:

works for me

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BULLE:

or, works for murf

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tcpsyn_:

I got lirc working across multiple machines.

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tcpsyn_:

one remote controls both boxes

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Bernardo:

snd-bt87x limits digital transfer rate to 32kbits for unknown cards

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BULLE:

Bernardo: and ?

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Bernardo:

and mine is a "unknown" – a hauppauge wintv

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juski:

can you even hear above 16khz? ;)

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Bernardo:

juski: unfortunately, yes

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BULLE:

the nyquist theorem isnt realy that appliable, it only states where you start to get aliasing, right ?

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juski:

yeah

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BULLE:

so you will hear sound quality issues, below it

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Bernardo:

I can get very upset with sounds most other guys won't hear

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juski:

not if the card low-pass filters it

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BULLE:

Bernardo: audiophobe ?

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BULLE:

aka audiophile *=)

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Bernardo:

lol

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Bernardo:

let's just say that I can get a headache from monitors that other people claim are perfectly quiet

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** juski packs Bernardo off to some loud rock concerts **

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Bernardo:

that's not a problem... :)

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Bernardo:

but I do hear the difference in sounds sampled at 32k and sampled at 44kHz

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juski:

I dunno how good my hearing is these days after all the years of DJing & drunk customers yelling in my ears

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Bernardo:

between 44kHz and 48kHz sampling it's a lot harder to distinguish

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juski:

for humans it is, yes

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juski:

anyway, your framegrabber tuner prolly only does mono audio anyway

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Bernardo:

it does nicam stereo

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juski:

does it? ooo

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BULLE:

i thought nearly all did stereo ? atleast that is the case around here

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Bernardo:

so does my other tuner, the pixelview, but I never managed to do the right GPIO magic to enable it

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juski:

well, that's my website updated. new projectgrayhem themes are now available from www.juski.co.uk

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Bernardo:

interesting

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juski:

had over 1000 hits this month, which is a lot for my site since I took the crazy frog videos down years ago

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seth|laptop:

I think I may have found out why my audio was getting out of sync whilest playing back imported dvd's. The player was set for mplayer, not Internal. When I re-installed KP D1, it is the default setting, and updating to mythsvn must not change anything other than the DVD stuff.

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** seth|laptop smacks self for not thinking of it earlier **

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Bernardo:

juski: your link to mythtvtalk forum is providing me with lots of reading material... :)

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seth|laptop:

any good java script reference sites/links?

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fryfrog:

anyone ever heard of a tabbed ssh client?

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seth|laptop:

gnome-terminal, with multiple session opened in tabs?

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seth|laptop:

:-) j/k

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seth|laptop:

i think drop bear does tabs

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fryfrog:

something for windows?

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seth|laptop:

i use drop bear in open zaurus

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seth|laptop:

don't have my Z here today, or I would check

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seth|laptop:

it is how I renice my commflag process, during recording playback

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seth|laptop:

I have never used the tabs though

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Bernardo:

opie-console on the zaurus has tabs... :)

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Cybertoy:

fryfrog, screen

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fryfrog:

Cybertoy: i'm looking for something that runs on winblows, with tabs like firefox

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fryfrog:

i found something called "puttytabs" which I'm going to give a shot :)

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seth|laptop:

fryfrog: http://www.freedownloadscenter.com/Shell_and_ . . . nTabber.html

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fryfrog:

thanks, i think i was just reading about that on the putty guys site :)

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fryfrog:

yup

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mtnbkr:

fryfrog, |Torg|: 2.6.18 #3 PREEMPT Wed Dec 20 17:12:53 EST 2006 x86_64 AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 3800+ AuthenticAMD GNU/Linux – So far Mythbackend is running FINE... Ran all night, recorded, transcoded etc. So far the SMP on AMD seems to be the issue.

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** mtnbkr crosses his fingers. **

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fryfrog:

mtnbkr: did you turn *on* or *off* smp?

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mtnbkr:

Thanks for the help yesterday...

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mtnbkr:

*off* (see uname -a output above)

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fryfrog:

ah

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fryfrog:

well, there shouldn't be any issue with smp being enabled :/

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mtnbkr:

was 2.6.18 #3 SMP PREEMPT

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fryfrog:

but this is just your test box, right?

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fryfrog:

your final, real backend might not have an X2 cpu?

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mtnbkr:

down side is my dual core processor is acting as a single CPU now.

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mtnbkr:

fryfrog: yes, that is correct.

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fryfrog:

actually, i can tell ya for sure smp isn't the problem

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fryfrog:

i run mythbackend slave on a dual xeon, have done it in both gentoo and ubuntu

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fryfrog:

oh well, guess he didn't wanna hear that :)

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Ruleke:

:)

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mtnbkr:

Oops... fryfrog: the issue I believe is SMP on AMD

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fryfrog:

putty tabs was just the thing i was looking for :)

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fryfrog:

mtnbkr: yeah, could be i spose... but i doubt it :)

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fryfrog:

there'd be *way* more people with issues

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fryfrog:

are you going to just test it on this smp-less dual cpu box?

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fryfrog:

or hope for it to eventually be running on it full time?

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mtnbkr:

but so far disabling SMP was the only kernel setting I changed, recompiled, and rebooted.

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fryfrog:

lame :(

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fryfrog:

are you --flags weird?

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mtnbkr:

yeah, my :real" box will probably not be SMP probably not a need

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fryfrog:

ah

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fryfrog:

well, for testing its an okay sacrifice

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mtnbkr:

fryfrog: no, I dont think so. I think I kept them pretty basic 'cause I am not a ricer. :)

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mtnbkr:

CFLAGS="-march=athlon64 -O2 -pipe"

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fryfrog:

nothing weird about that :/

[14:37:52]

mtnbkr:

but then again, I do have (2) dual-tuner PVR-500's which would be nice to have housed in one box rather than having a master backend and a slave backend in the basement. :)

[14:39:15]

fryfrog:

you have a pair of pvr 500s?

[14:39:23]

fryfrog:

so 4 tuners total?

[14:39:39]

mtnbkr:

one is still in the box (shipping box that is) but yes, I "own" 2 PVR-500s :)

[14:39:47]

fryfrog:

ah

[14:40:07]

fryfrog:

I've run 4x PVR250s in one box, it isn't even a stretch on an athlon xp 1600+

[14:40:30]

mtnbkr:

thought the 1st was bad, so called and made them ship me another... since the first one turned out to be perfectly fine, I have not returned it, nor the 2nd one. :)

[14:40:47]

fryfrog:

aren't they eventually going to *bill* you for one?

[14:40:52]

fryfrog:

er, the extra one?

[14:40:55]

juski:

none of you guys ever seen the ludicrously stacked mediaportal test they did? myth would easy top that

[14:41:12]

fryfrog:

whatchutalkinaboutwillis?

[14:41:15]

mtnbkr:

fryfrog: wow... So as long as the silent, small mini-atx box I get for near the TV allows for (2) PCI cards, I should be fine then...

[14:41:18]

GreyFoxx:

juski: What did they do ?

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fryfrog:

pvr500s are probably going to be pretty hot :/

[14:41:32]

juski:

it was 10 tuners I think

[14:41:38]

fryfrog:

juski: ahhhh, gotcha

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mtnbkr:

fryfrog: lol re: bill... yeah, well, I asked for cross-shipping, but they said no, we'll charge your card now, and reimburse when you return the RMA'd card. Well, I figured ... since I already bought it... heh

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fryfrog:

mtnbkr: I would *probably* setup a crappy backend, like with some left over P3 500

[14:42:20]

fryfrog:

mtnbkr: ah, so you already paid for it :)

[14:42:21]

GreyFoxx:

juski: heh

[14:42:37]

fryfrog:

i've had the same drive fail out of my raid5 twice in 2 days :(

[14:42:47]

fryfrog:

smart tests pass, but it gets a seek error

[14:42:49]

Ruleke:

my backend is currently a P2–300 so it's fine

[14:43:00]

mtnbkr:

I have to run... THANKS everyone!

[14:43:02]

null_:

fryfrog: well, the pvr500s are getting hot, but not so hot that you couldn't put some of them into a single box ;-)

[14:43:09]

fryfrog:

Ruleke: whatcha running in it?

[14:43:22]

Ruleke:

distro ?

[14:43:28]

fryfrog:

null_: yeah, but into a *silent* (ie, likely to be very slow speed fans) front end?

[14:43:28]

Ruleke:

debian

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juski:

ah no it was 'only' 7 tuners: http://www.team-mediaportal.com/articles/medi . . . _limits.html

[14:43:35]

fryfrog:

tv cards i meant

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Ruleke:

ah dvb-c

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fryfrog:

ah

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fryfrog:

I wonder if anyone is going to make an HD pvr500 type card

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Ruleke:

and a sw raid5 array :)

[14:44:22]

fryfrog:

wow, software raid on a p2 300??

[14:44:30]

Ruleke:

works fine

[14:44:32]

fryfrog:

what kind of read/write speeds do you get?

[14:44:40]

fryfrog:

and how much cpu does md burn up?

[14:44:51]

fryfrog:

i see 1–4% on my 3200+ amd

[14:44:52]

Ruleke:

nto that much... 25 or so

[14:45:00]

Ruleke:

during peak read and write

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fryfrog:

25mb/sec or 25%, sorry

[14:45:06]

Ruleke:

it's also the smb fileserver

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fryfrog:

i asked to many questions :)

[14:45:21]

Ruleke:

25% iirc

[14:45:23]

fryfrog:

ah

[14:45:25]

Ruleke:

hang on

[14:45:25]

fryfrog:

SD?

[14:45:38]

Ruleke:

yeah recording the HD couldn't keep up

[14:45:42]

fryfrog:

ah

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Ruleke:

recently they added some HD channels

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fryfrog:

oh, your cards can pull in HD?

[14:46:09]

Ruleke:

though tbh I'm not sure if the card is supposed to be able to handle it without issue... isn't a full featured card...

[14:46:09]

null_:

fryfrog: well I have my tuner's in my noisy backend so I don't know...

[14:46:11]

fryfrog:

and SD?

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Ruleke:

yeah I'm not sure :/

[14:46:28]

Ruleke:

it recorded *something*

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fryfrog:

null_: thats all i meant, was a quiet frontend prolly doesn't have much air circulation

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Ruleke:

SD is no problem at all, in fact most of the cpu is used by smbd and mysql (eit updates)

[14:47:12]

fryfrog:

ah

[14:47:20]

Ruleke:

oh and mythbackend doing the EIT too

[14:47:32]

Ruleke:

I think it's the DVB card that is the problem tbh

[14:48:27]

seth|laptop:

could a dual p3 1ghz box make a good backend, just for cards, and storage?

[14:48:32]

GreyFoxx:

juski: It's sad, I look at the crowd of tuners in there and just think " Man, that must get hot" heh

[14:48:36]

fryfrog:

seth|laptop: for surezies

[14:48:42]

seth|laptop:

rather tuners and storage

[14:48:54]

GreyFoxx:

seth|laptop: Surwe

[14:48:58]

seth|laptop:

awesome

[14:48:59]

Ruleke:

friend of mine has 2 pvr500s and a pvr150 in one of them cube pc's

[14:49:03]

juski:

GreyFoxx: yeah but since that could be just a backend it'd be easy to cool it efficiently ;)

[14:49:12]

GreyFoxx:

yeah

[14:49:18]

juski:

my backend box is noisy as f.

[14:49:33]

GreyFoxx:

mine is fairly quiet, but I don't care since it's in the basement heh

[14:49:45]

fryfrog:

Maybe it is time to move the pair of HD tuners up to my main server

[14:49:47]

fryfrog:

my frontend is almost as loud as my backend :(

[14:49:54]

juski:

and it's fugly too, but less so since I added the case badge ;)

[14:49:55]

janneg:

juski: I could reproduce it with 7 dvb tuners

[14:49:56]

Ruleke:

should any dvb card be able to record HD content ? where is the limiting factor ?

[14:50:14]

fryfrog:

Ruleke: sorry, i dunno :(

[14:50:22]

juski:

we should do a stress test of mythtv – go completely overboard. would make great PR :)

[14:50:24]

GreyFoxx:

I have no visible frontend in the living room. (Just cables running down to the machine in the basement) and silent frontends in the other room

[14:50:25]

Ruleke:

my neither :-/

[14:50:35]

janneg:

Ruleke: except usb1.1 adapter yes

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GreyFoxx:

juski: Hehe 5 x 500'

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GreyFoxx:

s in 1 machine

[14:50:49]

GreyFoxx:

5 ATSC cards in another

[14:50:55]

GreyFoxx:

5 DVB in another + 1 firewire

[14:51:03]

juski:

yeah

[14:51:04]

GreyFoxx:

and throw in some usb tuners

[14:51:12]

Ruleke:

janneg: what about those full featured dvb pci cards with hardware PID filters and all that

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juski:

127 USB tuners

[14:51:15]

juski:

pffff!

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GreyFoxx:

all on 1Ghz machines :)

[14:51:35]

Ruleke:

juski: on the same bus ? ouch

[14:51:40]

Ruleke:

:)

[14:51:43]

juski:

I think USB causes more CPU usage than a PCI card though

[14:52:00]

juski:

could be wrong

[14:52:04]

janneg:

Ruleke: they are limited in the number of pids, not in bandwidth

[14:52:10]

GreyFoxx:

I've got plent of hardware at my fingertips to build the machinees

[14:52:13]

Ruleke:

I figured as much

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GreyFoxx:

just not the tuners

[14:52:19]

Ruleke:

then it's a cpu limit

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juski:

the database would take a hammerring, no doubt

[14:52:58]

GreyFoxx:

juski: Not that much really

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GreyFoxx:

recording just updates seektable info

[14:53:24]

janneg:

GreyFoxx: I have 9 tuners if I boot my dev backend as slave

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janneg:

backend

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GreyFoxx:

janneg: Cool. I have 3 250's, an dvb (not iun use right now) and 2 bttv tuners I could toss in

[14:53:55]

GreyFoxx:

a friend of mine has a 500 and 150 he's not using

[14:54:00]

GreyFoxx:

and I have 250 here at the office

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Ruleke:

hehe that friend of mine managed to still ahve conflicts with 5 tuners, all you need is a wife that watches just abbout every soap opera and chickseries there is :)

[14:54:29]

** seth|laptop wants a 500 **

[14:54:47]

** Bernardo wants a dvb-c, any, that works well with linux **

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** Ruleke schedules a second HD test **

[14:54:54]

Ruleke:

go P2–300 go

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juski:

my three struggle to keep up

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kslater:

Ruleke – that friend's wife must spend all day just watching recordings

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Bernardo:

I need a small, silent frontend before the wife starts using myth

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fryfrog:

I wish that my DCT6412s would let me access *both* their onboard tuners :(

[14:56:01]

janneg:

two dvb-c cards, two dvb-t dual tuners, two regular dvb-t cards and a pvr250

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Bernardo:

bbl, meeting time

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Ruleke:

for comparison, I get 25% cpu on mythbackend and 2.1% cpu for the raid5 when recording an SD show

[14:57:26]

Ruleke:

now for HD..

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fryfrog:

your backend uses cpu time when recording?

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Ruleke:

yeah. no idea what it's doing...

[14:58:13]

fryfrog:

are they soft cards?

[14:58:14]

GreyFoxx:

like his disk IO?

[14:58:20]

Ruleke:

must be

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fryfrog:

dvb should be mpeg2

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fryfrog:

right?

[14:58:28]

Ruleke:

yep

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fryfrog:

guess so :)

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GreyFoxx:

DMA enabled ?

[14:58:51]

Ruleke:

what dma ?

[14:58:56]

GreyFoxx:

It will still use cpu, but 25% sounds pretty large

[14:58:57]

Ruleke:

for the disks ?

[14:58:59]

GreyFoxx:

yes

[14:59:07]

Ruleke:

oh this is on the 300Mhz remember :)

[14:59:53]

GreyFoxx:

juski/janneg: Too bad we don't all live near eachother, take a day and get together to build a mega backend set :)

[15:00:39]

Ruleke:

ata1.00: configured for UDMA/133

[15:00:40]

Ruleke:

ata2.00: configured for UDMA/133

[15:00:40]

Ruleke:

ata3.00: configured for UDMA/133

[15:00:40]

Ruleke:

ata4.00: configured for UDMA/133

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Ruleke:

:)

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Ruleke:

here we go for HD .. :)

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matthmco:

are there any commandline programs out there that will print whether the cd tray is open or closed

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Ruleke:

50% cpu on backend for HD :/

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Ruleke:

still some idle :)

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fryfrog:

man, commflagging must be slow as balls :)

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Ruleke:

I don't commflag on that box

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fryfrog:

ah

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Ruleke:

though it now started one apparently (I did a manual schedule via mythweb, seems it's checked by default)

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Ruleke:

and it reports errors for the recording

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Treito:

hello

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Ruleke:

very strange. it seems to have recorded something, but it's all garbled

[15:31:41]

seth|laptop:

I noticed during heavy write times, like when a 150 is recording something and both hd cards are recording, and commflagging is going on, even at 19, sometimes, my recordings get mosaic-ing, and pixeling.

[15:32:25]

seth|laptop:

I have since then learned how to configure "priorities" so this doesn't become a normal thing

[15:32:42]

Ruleke:

yeah that's what I see here

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seth|laptop:

but I lost an episode of "The O.C." as it was mostly unwatchable

[15:33:04]

Ruleke:

will have to upgrade the backend I think :)

[15:33:18]

Ruleke:

it was only ever meant as a POC install, now turned production

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seth|laptop:

well I just got a dual p3 1ghz box that I am hoping will pull the weight

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seth|laptop:

it has 1.5g of ram

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Ruleke:

192 here :)

[15:34:18]

seth|laptop:

I wonder how many cards/recordings it can take, before the pixeling starts again

[15:34:25]

seth|laptop:

wow

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seth|laptop:

I'll find out after the holidays, not wanting to get tied up in a new install just yet. :-)

[15:35:07]

Ruleke:

about 70mb is used, 100mb for cache

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Ruleke:

I think I'll just swap the motherboard

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quantum:

amybody out there

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tank-man:

hi

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tank-man:

i'm not amy

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quantum:

I have an NVIDIA card with TV out. Is there a way to switch between the VGA computer output and the TV out. If I boot with it plugged into the TV (and not the VGA plug) it boots with TV out only, otherwise it boots with the VGA out.

[16:03:28]

quantum:

I have a projector and a TV that I wanted to be able to switch between, but I don't know how to do this without rebooting

[16:03:42]

seth|laptop:

set up a dual head config, and use the twinveiw "clone" option

[16:04:25]

juski:

alternatively buy another projector & aim it at the same place :-P

[16:04:31]

seth|laptop:

ack

[16:04:33]

seth|laptop:

hehe

[16:04:40]

quantum:

does it let me output to both at the same time?

[16:04:46]

seth|laptop:

sure

[16:04:50]

quantum:

both composit and VGA

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seth|laptop:

yup

[16:05:02]

seth|laptop:

http://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x . . . endix-g.html

[16:05:25]

juski:

but use svideo rather than composite. composite stinks compared to svideo

[16:05:27]

seth|laptop:

its in the readme file, you will also want to check out "configuring tv out"

[16:05:36]

seth|laptop:

combine both, its what I do

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quantum:

hmm let me check out the link

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quantum:

hmm forgot which model nvidia card I have

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eidolon:

hi folks – does anyone have a sense for how stable (or not stable0 mythphone is, particularly for video calls? we're talking 'set this up for grandma' stuff.

[16:10:08]

juski:

I don't think there's ANY videophone software I'd consider foolproof enough for that

[16:10:19]

eidolon:

*snrk*

[16:10:44]

sandeen_:

http://www.buy.com/retail/product.asp?sku=104 . . . ;dcaid=17654 – tuner / vidcap card for free....

[16:10:49]

sandeen_:

I wonder if that's just a framegrabber

[16:11:09]

Treito:

should i be able to watch livetv over the network?

[16:11:11]

juski:

you get what you pay for, always remember that

[16:11:17]

tank-man:

Treito, yea

[16:11:26]

juski:

Treito: depends what you mean by 'the network'

[16:11:28]

quantum:

ok. looks like the NVIDA gforce4 MX 440

[16:11:33]

juski:

if you mean the internet, then no

[16:11:50]

Treito:

juski one PC connectet to another PC via switch

[16:11:52]

tank-man:

if you have a fast enough upload you can

[16:11:55]

juski:

if you mean a home network with windows PCs on it, then no

[16:11:55]

sandeen_:

juski, well I got a kick-ass HDTV card for $30 on the same kind of deal :)

[16:11:59]

Treito:

2006-12–21 16:45:54.685 TV: Attempting to change from None to WatchingLiveTV

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Treito:

2006-12–21 16:45:54.686 RemoteEncoder::openControlSocket(): Connection timed out.

[16:12:00]

Treito:

2006-12–21 16:45:54.707 GetEntryAt(-1) failed.

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Treito:

2006-12–21 16:45:54.712 EntryToProgram(0@Do Jan 1 01:00:00 1970) failed to get pginfo

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Treito:

2006-12–21 16:45:54.714 TV Error: LiveTV not successfully started

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Treito:

that is my problem

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juski:

sandeen_: rule of thumb goes like this.. if it's not called a Hauppauge PVR card, it's just a framegrabber

[16:12:37]

tank-man:

with .19 i could watch livetv on windows, havent tried with .20

[16:12:45]

sandeen_:

juski, I suppose so

[16:12:48]

quantum:

yeah twinview sounds pretty good

[16:12:58]

sandeen_:

they talk about "mpeg 2 recording" but that's probably in the software

[16:13:00]

tank-man:

Treito, did you make it so you can access mysql from network?

[16:13:01]

Treito:

on windows?! is there a frontend for windows?!

[16:13:04]

juski:

you could watch livetv on windows? what with? there's no frontend for windows

[16:13:22]

Treito:

tank-man, epg is available, so i could program records

[16:13:54]

tank-man:

juski, with that incomplete windows frontend

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juski:

winmyth?

[16:14:20]

juski:

I didn't think that had worked since 0.16

[16:14:53]

tank-man:

it was dsmyth and something else

[16:15:11]

tank-man:

was buggy with livetv i thnk

[16:15:22]

tank-man:

worked with .19 backend

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juski:

dsmyth is just a simple file thing, not a frontend

[16:15:32]

tank-man:

yea "something else"

[16:15:34]

tank-man:

and

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tank-man:

dsmyth and winmyth

[16:16:24]

Treito:

but why i can't watch a recording?

[16:16:33]

Treito:

sorry livetv

[16:16:39]

tank-man:

look at backend log

[16:16:46]

juski:

livetv IS a recording

[16:17:13]

jams:

maybe your thinking of tapeworm

[16:17:53]

juski:

didn't think tapework did livetv either

[16:18:17]

GreyFoxx:

There is also another myth player for windows, no clue if it does livetv or not

[16:18:29]

jams:

possible, never used tapeworm

[16:18:46]

tank-man:

mythweb is ok for watching recorded shows in windows

[16:20:33]

juski:

there's this one: http://homepage.ntlworld.com/justin.hornsby2/winmyth.html

[16:21:15]

juski:

course that one only exists in my imagination :-P

[16:22:58]

sandeen_:

question: If I restore an older version of the database, which does not contain references to the most recent shows I have recorded on disk, will I need to delete those myself, manually, because myth never will?

[16:23:11]

juski:

yup

[16:23:14]

sandeen_:

ok

[16:23:18]

sandeen_:

figured...

[16:23:26]

juski:

you can export those shows though, so you get to keep em

[16:23:52]

** sandeen_ wonders if it'd be useful to put extended attributes or something on the files so that they can be recognized & easily re-imported later... probably not **

[16:24:05]

sandeen_:

not a normal-use case I guess

[16:24:15]

Treito:

juski? i even can't add new records at the backend-computer, strange

[16:25:02]

seth|laptop:

so what happens if your myth partition goes completely south, and you store your programmes on a seperate partition, is there a command to re-read in that data?

[16:25:35]

jams:

mythrebuilddatase.pl is a good start

[16:25:35]

juski:

yup

[16:25:43]

seth|laptop:

so that is what its for

[16:25:49]

** seth|laptop never tried it **

[16:25:50]

sandeen_:

but it won't ahve any metadata about the shows, right

[16:25:51]

juski:

backing up your database regularly would be a good start too

[16:25:54]

GreyFoxx:

seth|laptop: Plus you should be making database backups too

[16:26:06]

GreyFoxx:

and you can always place the dump of the database on the same location as the recordings

[16:26:12]

seth|laptop:

well that is cronned daily, right after mythfill, and dishppvgrab

[16:26:19]

jams:

if it can find the metadata in in the program guide it will use it, otherise it prompts you for it

[16:26:24]

juski:

and another rule of thumb is that you should never manually delete files from the recording directory yourself

[16:26:45]

sandeen_:

jams, how will it know what the metadata should be... ohhh maybe from the filename? It has date & channel in it doesn't it...

[16:27:06]

seth|laptop:

I was just wondering, cause my /myth/tv and /myth/videos are mounted on entirley different drives, so the data is there in case the os gets hosed

[16:27:42]

juski:

if you think about what you have to do to get your system up & running again properly BEFORE it goes down you stand a fighting chance

[16:27:47]

jams:

sandeen- correct

[16:27:53]

sandeen_:

jams, nifty

[16:28:06]

sandeen_:

so it's mythrebuilddatabase that does that....

[16:28:10]

** sandeen_ makes a note to go look at that script :) **

[16:28:16]

quantum:

seth|laptop, I am trying to figure out what to use for the connected monitor option. they have as examples "CRT-0, DFP-0", not sure where these come from

[16:28:19]

jams:

sandeen- it's in the contrib dir

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seth|laptop:

i run a myth-maint script every night at 3AM, does mythfill, getppv, and mysqldump every day

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seth|laptop:

quantum: do a google search for twinview xorg configs or xf86configs, see what turn up, then tweak it for your purposes. I do not beleive I use that option on mine

[16:30:52]

quantum:

seth|laptop, it sounds like it is only necessary of it doesn't autodect it. did you just use the two option lines, twinview and twinvieworition with cone to get it running?

[16:31:02]

seth|laptop:

currently my home internet (shakes fist at embarq/sprint) is down, or I would just pastebin mine

[16:33:16]

seth|laptop:

basically all I did, was cut and paste my screen, monitor, and device sections, so they appearedtwice, then changed the "Identifiers" for each one, and updated the "ServerLayout" section to reflect the changes. I used option twinview, metamodes "800x600,800x600" and twinview orientation "clone"

[16:33:43]

seth|laptop:

taht might seem like alot to swallow, but if you can find an example config with google, it will make more sense

[16:34:19]

** seth|laptop wishes his internet was up at home, I'm sure mine is generic enough, that it would work for you. (shakes fist again at embarq) **

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sloncho:

hi. i'm looking at kworld tv terminator card. looks like it is supported trough v4l. now, in the product description it says: "Supports real-time video recording in MPEG-4/2/1 format". But I can not find any information if this is trough software or hardware. Does anybody knows more about this card.If it has hardware ecoder, can it be used directly by mythtv?

[16:40:46]

juski:

it's software

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juski:

look at something else

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sloncho:

juski, thanks again :)

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juski:

why do folks even _bother_ with damn framegrabbers?

[16:42:13]

sloncho:

i have no idea. just saw it for 0$ :)

[16:43:07]

juski:

they suck in terms of quality usually, they generally need a soundcard to capture audio, so to have more than one tuner you need multiple sound cards (which is more 'fun' in linux than you'd imagine)

[16:43:15]

juski:

they eat cpu while recording...

[16:43:52]

juski:

mind you, if folks are happy with recordings which look like they were made on VHS, so be it

[16:44:27]

sloncho:

juski, i know all that. i just saw the mpeg support and took a look :). otherwise, I tried a couple of months ago to use some tuner card, and it really kills. hw encoders are much better

[16:45:16]

sloncho:

btw, are there still plans in USA to migrate all broacasting to digital after new year?

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sloncho:

or it was 2008?

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fryfrog:

i t6hink its like 2009

[16:45:42]

fryfrog:

or something farther than that

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juski:

I doubt it'd even be 2008 tbh

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juski:

hahah "The USA hopes to switch. off analogue TV by 2007"

[16:47:27]

sloncho:

i remember it was for 2006, but they moved the timeline. i can not remember the new one

[16:47:47]

juski:

"The U.S. House of Representatives approved legislation to complete the country.s phase out of analogue TV with a transition to over-the-air digital television by Feb. 17, 2009."

[16:48:23]

sloncho:

ok, thanks

[16:48:57]

juski:

and then this, more up to date... "Bush signed into law legislation setting February 17, 2009, as the date U.S. broadcasters must end transmission of analog television signals and move to all-digital broadcasts."

[16:49:02]

seth|laptop:

so OTA HD isn't in trouble, but the regular stuff is

[16:49:17]

juski:

you guys need to start moving, and fast

[16:49:22]

Ruleke:

for DVB-T it will be pretty soon around here... but 90% of all houses in my country are connected to cable...

[16:49:29]

seth|laptop:

any land near you juski, hehe

[16:50:41]

quantum:

seth|laptop, would you be able to send me a copy of your xorg.conf file?

[16:51:00]

seth|laptop:

quantum: if you are on later, I can pastebin it

[16:51:11]

seth|laptop:

currently my intenrnet at home is down

[16:51:19]

seth|laptop:

I am at work

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quantum:

ok no problem

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juski:

it's reckoned that 75% of the UK is ready for the analogue switch-off now

[16:53:51]

juski:

I've been ready for over 3 years

[16:54:32]

Ruleke:

netherlands switched for terrestrial

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Ruleke:

we will follow soon here in .be

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juski:

I'm gonna record the switch-off

[16:55:08]

juski:

for posterity ;)

[16:55:31]

juski:

I remember seeing the old 405-line service switched off in the UK

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janneg:

huh, juski you have in dvb-t areas still analog broadcast?

[16:55:59]

juski:

yeah

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juski:

at reduced power though

[16:56:33]

janneg:

when germany is switched off partially since 3 years

[16:56:43]

janneg:

err, then

[16:56:46]

juski:

it's currently broadcast in 2k mode, which means less interference for analogue services

[16:56:54]

juski:

but when analogue is gone they'll switch to 8k

[16:57:09]

juski:

which means that folks who only have boxes that do 2k, uh-oh :)

[16:57:30]

Dibblah:

But hey, it's all good for the economy, right?

[16:57:44]

Dibblah:

Oh. Wait. The boxes are made in outer ebonia.

[16:57:55]

janneg:

yes, we had only a short simulcast phase in berlin and all multiplexes use 8k mode

[16:58:37]

Dibblah:

Bah. Elbonia.

[16:58:56]

juski:

at least the PHB's on the world will make more money though, and that's the main thing

[16:59:28]

null_:

In switzerland there are mainly two companies for tv... an isp that is pushing iptv and a cable company that is encrypting their dvb-c with a proprietary system :| DVB-T is on air too, but only with 5 channels or so...

[16:59:31]

quantum:

seth|laptop, did you put the twinview option in both of the devices you created then?

[17:00:35]

juski:

there's always gonna be a way around encripplement. you just can't talk about it here

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null_:

juski: well, I wouldn't mind encryption... I just want to use it with a CI module and I'd be happy, but they don't seem to like it... Not to speak of their stb's: They only have a HF output, so you get digital signal, the box converts it to analogue and the flatscreen converts to digital again... perfectly ;-)

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juski:

null_: that sucks

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null_:

of course it does, but maybe our goverment will force them to open the signal or at least to give away other stb's.. because you are _forced_ to buy one out of two stbs from them... and they only have the permission for digital tv broadcast within the condition that they don't have a monopoly on STBs..

[17:06:10]

null_:

but well, the case is openend since 2004... so I guess that could go on for a while like this...

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seth|laptop:

quantum here is the pastebin http://pastebin.ca/287629

[17:08:09]

seth|laptop:

ah, mythweb is back up

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seth|laptop:

quantum: now review my settings, they may not apply to your hardware, but it will give you a skeleton to work from

[17:09:23]

seth|laptop:

quantum: the end result is, I have a cloned display to both my 1024x768 projector, and my 800x600 TV

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seth|laptop:

you will need to add the tv out stuff, as I use a converter box from vga to component video for my tv, but those examples are line for line, on the nvidia readme

[17:11:52]

kslater:

seth|laptop: what converter box do you use?

[17:12:01]

kslater:

Audio Authority?

[17:12:04]

kslater:

or ?

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seth|laptop:

quantum: here is a good example, actually might even work for your config – http://xawcode.sourceforge.net/aideUS/htmlpage/TVOUTall.htm

[17:12:35]

juski:

hahahaha look at all the conflicts on xmas day. oof

[17:13:07]

juski:

I might have to fire up my spare machine & use it as a slave backend

[17:13:40]

quantum:

I have a sony trinitron tv, does anyone know what would set the resolution, vertical and horizontal refresh rates to ?

[17:13:57]

seth|laptop:

kslater: I use a GrandTec Ultimate XP Pro

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seth|laptop:

for tv to component

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quantum:

yeah

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seth|laptop:

quantum, 60 is usually safe, thats what I used, never had any troubles

[17:14:55]

xris:

juski: mythbusters and dirty jobs all day long for me. and all generic episode data so it can't detect repeats.

[17:16:11]

quantum:

seth|laptop, says http://xawcode.sourceforge.net/aideUS/htmlpage/TVOUTall.htm does not exists

[17:16:15]

sloncho:

seth|laptop: does this GrandTec device has component outputs, i can not see them on their site

[17:16:27]

seth|laptop:

yes, on the side

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sloncho:

oh, yea, i see them

[17:16:48]

juski:

btw xris.. how much fun is css?!

[17:16:58]

juski:

slowly getting the hang of it, I think

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seth|laptop:

http://xawdecode.sourceforge.net/aideUS/htmlpage/TVOUTall.htm sorry about that, must have mis-moused

[17:18:03]

juski:

there's only one thing fer it

[17:18:13]

juski:

I need ma slave backend

[17:18:17]

seth|laptop:

actually on re-review, that config may fit you perfectly, down to the sont tv quantum

[17:18:27]

xris:

juski: it sucks hard core.

[17:18:34]

quantum:

cool checking it out now thanks

[17:18:37]

sloncho:

have you guys ever tried these DVI-to-component converters? like this one: http://sewelldirect.com/dvivideoadapter.asp

[17:18:49]

seth|laptop:

except if in the US, you will want to cahnge PAL-N to NTSC

[17:19:16]

juski:

xris: yeah but I got the titlebar to appear in the right place :)

[17:19:19]

sloncho:

especially they say that it is for ATI, but I wonder if it will work with nvidia

[17:19:21]

seth|laptop:

sloncho: I think they only work with ATI cards

[17:19:27]

xris:

juski: I have some more ideas to give you, but have a dr appt this morning so it probably won't be until you're asleep

[17:19:38]

xris:

juski: positioniseverything.net

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juski:

that's fine. I'm all for input :)

[17:19:47]

xris:

and hang out in #css — they're usually pretty helpful.

[17:20:06]

juski:

I'm only doing the _mockups_ mind you ;)

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juski:

just to try out how it'll all come together

[17:20:45]

juski:

I needed to get on the css bandwagon anyway so I can skin mythweb

[17:20:52]

xris:

yes. :)

[17:21:05]

xris:

btw, you see my recent changes in the settings section?

[17:21:19]

juski:

not that I remember

[17:21:33]

juski:

I'm only running -fixes right now

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xris:

wish I had a better place to do a mockup of what I had in mind...

[17:22:23]

** juski hopes somebody buys his dreamweaver **

[17:22:28]

juski:

/s/his/him

[17:22:49]

juski:

nvu is alright, but I have to hand-edit images I put in the css editor

[17:23:19]

xris:

nvu doesn't do scp or sftp yet, does it?

[17:23:25]

juski:

oh, and the final page looks different in firefox :(

[17:23:32]

xris:

juski: you're really only going to get tood results from coding by hand.

[17:23:43]

xris:

grab the web developer plugin for firefox. live css editing, etc.

[17:23:46]

juski:

I dunno. only ever published from nvu once or twice

[17:24:02]

juski:

duh. now why didn't I think of that?

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** xris wishes he knew where there was some sort of web-based shared sketch pad. **

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juski:

I thought about that last night

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Ruleke:

I'm sure there is

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xris:

google needs to add a "draw" app

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xris:

Ruleke: yeah, I've heard mention of them. just don't know where one would be.

[17:25:51]

Ruleke:

I used something like that 7 years ago or so...

[17:25:52]

xris:

sort of like a pastebin for sketches.

[17:25:58]

Ruleke:

no maybe 5

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** frink_ yawns **

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** Ruleke prepares to go home **

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jams:

xris whats your email address?

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xris:

*@forevermore.net

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jams:

k

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xris:

jams: ??

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jams:

email sent

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xris:

thx

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jams:

it's an invite, might be what your looking for

[17:32:21]

xris:

yeah

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xris:

enough, anyway

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xris:

now to get juski in here

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jams:

heh

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jams:

seems to work, as you can draw boxes or freehand stuff

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juski:

whee this is MUCH nicer

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frink_:

juski: What have you done?

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frink_:

hmm that MythDORA seems to work quite well.

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kslater:

I've been liking MythDora at least as a way to get up and running quickly

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Neeesat25:

Hello to all

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Neeesat25:

Is it possible to have mythBrowser without kde?

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Neeesat25:

Lets say fluxbox?

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Neeesat25:

I dont like the bars and icons etc

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opello:

i used it in fluxbox

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opello:

but now i just use firefox on another desktop

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Neeesat25:

did you install kde-devel?

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Neeesat25:

It seems it needs kde-devel to get compiled

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opello:

i use gentoo, and had kde-base/kdelibs and kde-base/kde-env

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Neeesat25:

So it is possible then without had to install kde desktop

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opello:

yeah i never had all of kde installed

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Neeesat25:

what login manager do you use?

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opello:

i don't

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Neeesat25:

You just startx with a script?

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opello:

it's not a real robust setup, but it works for me ... i just login as my mythtv user and startx

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Neeesat25:

you do it manualy?

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opello:

yeah

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opello:

it doesn't get restarted very often, and i use an ir keyboard with it

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Neeesat25:

Thats good

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Neeesat25:

Ok I will install fluxbox with some kde packages for MythBrowser

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Neeesat25:

Thanks for your time

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** xris pokes juski **

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bitlogic:

I'm trying to discover HorizSync, VertRefresh and maximum resolution of my SONY KV-28fx65e. I already googled around and didn't found anything. Can someone help me?

[18:03:48]

kslater:

surely some of you guys use JP1 remotes – anyone know of a RM or .txt file that will map most of the Myth keys?

[18:06:12]

bitlogic:

does someone has technical specifications of SONY KV-28FX65E?

[18:06:13]

juski:

xris?

[18:06:38]

xris:

juski: check email.

[18:06:52]

Treito:

bitlogic, start your X-server and have a look into the logfile, perhaps there is the right modeline for your TV

[18:07:02]

juski:

nifty!

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xris:

I have a dr appt now, but will be back online in a couple of hours if you have questions.

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juski:

kslater: I use a jp1 remote but I dunno where my files are

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bitlogic:

Treito : you mean the ones that are tested? Is there any site or any forum where people had being posted the configuration that they were doing for TV?

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juski:

I also made my 'own' protocol with the remotemaster software & learned it with my homebrewed IR receiver ;)

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Treito77:

bitlogic, i don't know, I got this hint to look into the log, most TV's and monitors modelines get logged

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kslater:

juski – cool

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bitlogic:

Treito77, ok, thanks, I'll have a look

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kslater:

I'm just getting into a time when I can leverage my Cinema7 remote

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Treito77:

you're welcome

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o_cee:

no xris?

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kslater:

o_cee – just left for a while

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o_cee:

mkay.

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`shr00m:

Hi guys

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`shr00m:

any way to attach two different video sources to the same input ?

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`shr00m:

without having to keep goign back to mythtv-setup to switch them

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kslater:

boy that's an open ended question

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kslater:

what type of video sources and what type of input?

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`shr00m:

here's my situation... i've got a motorized satellite dish, and i want to keep the channel listings separate for each dish position (i don't have diseqc)

[18:21:01]

`shr00m:

so i was thinking of creating a video source for each satellite i can pick up

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`shr00m:

input is a dvb card

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kslater:

out of my league

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`shr00m:

=(

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`shr00m:

anyone out there with dvb knowledge?

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seth|laptop:

my dvb comes from an antenna, but I have 2 cards, and they are both accessable via the "Y" key but they do have different instances dvb0 and dvb1, just the same program source, sorry?

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`shr00m:

so i guess Y will switch between inputs ?

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`shr00m:

there should b something similar to switch between sources

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seth|laptop:

theoretically, you could probably create an instance for each sattelite

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seth|laptop:

or tuners on the same card

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GreyFoxx:

C changes inputs on a single card, Y changes cards

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GreyFoxx:

You can only tie a single video source to a single input on a single card

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seth|laptop:

or inputs, my pvr150 has coax, and svideo into it, when I want STB picture, I hit Y, and it switches from coax, to stb pay channels

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seth|laptop:

right sorry "C"

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seth|laptop:

but when I switch to the other input on the pvr150, the STB input requires a channel_change script, and an ir blaster

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`shr00m:

greyfox, so i have 1 capture card and two video sources

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`shr00m:

could C change between the two video sources on the same card?

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GreyFoxx:

No it doesn't work that way

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GreyFoxx:

C is for changing to a sdifferent physical input in a single card

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`shr00m:

oh

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GreyFoxx:

nothing to do with what channels it things are available on that input

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GreyFoxx:

I don't honestly know for certain what people with motorised dishes do for that sort of thing

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GreyFoxx:

The dish I had was fixed position

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`shr00m:

it seems like it would b something trivial to implement, so that's why i'm convinced there must b a solution

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seth|laptop:

so when you change channels, the dish has to move?

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kslater:

and does it move by itself when you request it to tune a channel?

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`shr00m:

seth, there's maybe 200 channels on each dish position

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`shr00m:

kslater, no i have a separate positioner box to move the satellite

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seth|laptop:

i ask because I may be faced with a similar situation soon. where I am moving to will require a direct-input antenna rotator, and I will need to figure out a way to have mythtv send the compass headings in conjunction with the channel number

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GreyFoxx:

`shr00m: I'm curious, how big is the dish?

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seth|laptop:

ah, hey thats pretty cool

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`shr00m:

2.4 meters

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GreyFoxx:

cool

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slowone:

Cu-band dish?

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kslater:

`shr00m: is it possible to use a channel change script to control the repointing?

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`shr00m:

seth, there's a way to have mythtv automatically move the dish to the correct position for each channel, it's called DiSEqC... but unfortunately i don't have that on my motor

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** seth|laptop guesses the 6ft dishes don't work in the US **

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seth|laptop:

ah

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`shr00m:

slowone, it was a c band dish back in the day... i've since converted it to Ku

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kslater:

answer before question I see

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slowone:

seth|laptop: c-band works just fine in the us, just not to popular anymore

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`shr00m:

i'm thinking of writing a shell script to change the mythconverg database directly (reassociate input to new video source)

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`shr00m:

anyway to run such a script from the remote contorl?

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`shr00m:

yea C band just about died everywhere

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kslater:

the remote control can fire off programs using irexec I believe

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kslater:

example – I use irexec in a terminal that picks off the power button on my remote and stops/starts mythfrontend

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`shr00m:

can irexec coexist with the way i set up mythtv now (prog = mythtv in lircrc)

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** seth|laptop wonders if a diseqc motor, would rotate an antenna 360 degrees **

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`shr00m:

they have H-H motors (horizon to horizon) not quite 360 degrees but will scan the whole visible sky

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kslater:

not sure I understand the question

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`shr00m:

kslater, could u plz paste a bit of ur lircrc to see how irexec works?

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seth|laptop:

motorized H-H mount

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** kslater goes to other screen vt to grab lircrc **

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`shr00m:

ty !

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kslater:

http://pastebin.ca/287722

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kslater:

not sure if that's what you'd want or not, but it allows irexec to grab the power button and myth to grab the others.

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kslater:

that's right out of Jarod Wilson's guide btw

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slowone:

lircrc/irexec packages external to myth?

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`shr00m:

excellent kslater

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`shr00m:

this is exactly what i'm looking for

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kslater:

ah the power of the many

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`shr00m:

i'll call a script that will directly modify cardinput table to change the sourceid row

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** kslater received lots of help in this here channel over the years **

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seth|laptop:

so, dvb-s works in the US?

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`shr00m:

not sure.. i'm in Egypt

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`shr00m:

but i see a lot of DishTV options in mythtv-setup so i guess it does

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seth|laptop:

ah, well I have access to a 6ft dish, with motors, my neighbor will give it to me, just to get it out of his yard, and I am moving to the top of a mountian in like 4 monhtd

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seth|laptop:

er months

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seth|laptop:

well I use dish network now, but I use thier STB and an ir blaster

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`shr00m:

sorry DishNet not DishTV

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`shr00m:

is it encrypted

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`shr00m:

?

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seth|laptop:

well I pay for it, so I am guessing so

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seth|laptop:

$40 a month

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`shr00m:

ouch

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seth|laptop:

but I get my HD TV for free with an antenna

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seth|laptop:

which is mostly what I watch, except fpr scifi

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`shr00m:

that's a good deal then

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** seth|laptop <------ geek **

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seth|laptop:

;-)

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`shr00m:

no HD content in Egypt yet

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seth|laptop:

butthe thought of utilizing that free dish, is tweaking my melon, need to find out if it works around here

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seth|laptop:

i mean, its free

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`shr00m:

anyone remember how to display OSD stuff in mythtv?

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GreyFoxx:

`shr00m: what OSD "stuff" are you referring to ?:)

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`shr00m:

mythtvosd --template=scroller testing

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GreyFoxx:

then you already know the answer to your question :)

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`shr00m:

the word testing is not appearing, i'm getting "%scroll_text%"

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`shr00m:

hehe no i wish

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GreyFoxx:

mythtvosd --template=scroller --scroll_text="Testing"

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GreyFoxx:

I'm almost positive on that one

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GreyFoxx:

yup, that works

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`shr00m:

confirmed

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`shr00m:

tx !

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`shr00m:

so i'm writing a script to scroll thru the available video sources and directly change mythconverg to reflect the new video source and display video source name via mythtvosd

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`shr00m:

let me know if ur interested in seeing it

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seth|laptop:

so where do I qeury on the internet to find out whether dvb-s works here or not? any ideas?

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kormoc:

seth|laptop, google?

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slowone:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DVB-S

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seth|laptop:

hmm

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frink_:

Hey all, do them winpvr 250/350 (whatever iut was) cards with built in mpeg decoders work pretty good (better han libmpeg) ?

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slowone:

most of the hd cards cound as dvb-s devices.. dont they? so http://mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Category:HDTV_capture_cards for supported devices?

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seth|laptop:

hehe, mine are not listed there, but they work

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seth|laptop:

they are older revision 2 air2pc cards

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frink_:

hmm

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kormoc:

frink_, they don't use cpu power to decode, but they look about the same

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frink_:

kormoc: OK thanks, jusst need to de-noise the audio then :)

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slowone:

seth|laptop: http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/ATSC_cards

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seth|laptop:

there it is

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Mattwj2005:

Good Day Everyone!

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Mattwj2005:

:)

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Treito77:

good evening

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frink_:

hey

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frink_:

does anybody have any reccomendations for removing noise from a sound output?

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xris:

juski: you still awake?

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juski:

xris: oh yeah. just bashing some css again

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juski:

xris: almost got the top buttons to work but can't figure out why there's not the full width yet

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xris:

juski: you see that scratchpad?

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juski:

yeah I'm logged into it

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xris:

that was sort of what I was aiming for after seeing your first mockup.

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juski:

you refreshed the sample page recently?

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xris:

no. tbird crashed

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juski:

need the link again?

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Treito77:

frink_, what kind of noise?

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xris:

juski: not bad.

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juski:

mute the mic input, normally, as well as any others you're not using

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juski:

xris: yeah I just need to get the full buttons to show. working on that now

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xris:

I'm still thinking that extending the border from the top as a small 10–15px stripe down the left would be good, and then put the left nav buttons in a tray that extends from there.

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juski:

I made new div classes for them but it's not playing ball yet

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xris:

sort of like what I sketched

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xris:

shouldn't need a div

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juski:

yeah, like the first mockup I did

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xris:

yeah. similar, anyway.

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frink_:

Treito77: computer noise, i guess you could call it pink noise. With changing aplitude/frequency when the cpu does things..

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frink_:

juski: Yeah all muted..

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frink_:

the amp in the tv amplifies it too..

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juski:

xris: I getcha

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frink_:

volume on the pc is up quite high.

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juski:

frink_: go digital ;)

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frink_:

i'll move some cables and see if it helps..

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xris:

sort of like the trough at gaim.sf.net

[20:05:19]

frink_:

juski: Yeah :) Its only a cheap TV I got last year from ASDA when the other tv blew up (thanks to my boy tipping his milk in it)

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frink_:

so I need to upgrade...

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** frink_ thinks of something with DVI input **

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juski:

xris: yeah okees

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frink_:

I guess with a DVI input I'd need to fix modelines to make X output the correct res still :(

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juski:

I'm gonna try figure out these top buttons first though. everything else is pretty straight forwards

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xris:

juski: well, sort of like that, but different.

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juski:

frink_: you using a framegrabber card?

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xris:

(like gaim, that is)

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juski:

xris: I know.. don't want to let it look like a rip-off ;)

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xris:

juski: a.classname { display: block; width: 100px; height: 30px; background: url('blabla'); }

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xris:

shouldn't need a div

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Treito77:

frink_, try to put the card into another slot, far away from the graphical card and the cpu

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juski:

xris: where, in the .css ?

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xris:

juski: yeah

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xris:

check out csszengarden.com and a couple of the sites listed in the topic of #css

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xris:

lots of info about how to do wacky stuff.

[20:09:42]

xris:

using <ul> and <li> to organize, but making them display in nonstandard ways.

[20:09:50]

xris:

sort of like what I did with the settings section of mythweb last week

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juski:

which I still haven't seen yet but hey ;)

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xris:

you could just look at the code in trac

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xris:

settings/tmpl/default/header.php

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juski:

doh of course

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xris:

skins/default/settings.css

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sycronic:

lo

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frink_:

juski: Sorry, had to rescue the boy.. No, using USb DVB-T receiver.

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frink_:

Treito77: Built in mboard sound card :-(

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frink_:

The received data is fine played back on VLC on another box...

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sycronic:

anyone can help me with an saa7133?

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sycronic:

:(

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Treito77:

buy a sound card

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juski:

bah I still can't get the buttons to show for more than the length of the text. it's like the width: attribute is being ignored

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kusznir:

Hi all: I have a few quick questions: I know myth supports some small, front-panel displays (like a 2-line lcd, etc). What does myth put up on that display by default?

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kusznir:

(In other words, I'm looking at new cases, and have the option of buying a case with such a display, and am wondering what the utility would be)

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kslater:

is mythlcd still being maintained?

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seth|laptop:

By default it shows "MythTv" and the time, but this can be customized to show, whats recording, the name of the audio track or recorded show you're watching, even tuner status

[21:03:02]

seth|laptop:

at least this is what mine does

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sandeen_:

ooh, a clock? :)

[21:03:57]

seth|laptop:

well, I have no other clocks in the family room, and since the vcr went away like a decade ago......

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seth|laptop:

:-)

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sandeen_:

well it is nice to have an ntp-based clock :)

[21:04:31]

seth|laptop:

yes. as long as I have power. I'll always know exactly what time it is, hehe

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kusznir:

:) Thanks

[21:06:57]

seth|laptop:

once you have mythtv up and running, the menu inside setup will allow you further custimization

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seth|laptop:

:-)

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kusznir:

Cool. I don't actually have the hardware for that yet, anyway...just looking at it.

[21:14:25]

kusznir:

Speaking of hardware, is it enough that the display is "linux supported"?

[21:19:22]

opello:

it was suggested yesterday to import my old 0.18.1 database to my 0.20 install, and things would automagically upgrade, but on import, i got this error: ERROR 1071 (42000) at line 76940: Specified key was too long; max key length is 1000 bytes

[21:19:38]

opello:

seems like it's hitting a limit in mysql, referenced here: http://bugs.mysql.com/bug.php?id=4541

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Anduin:

opello: import would be bad, it would be better to restore your 0.18.1 DB, then start mythtv-setup (or any of the other things that will force a schema update)

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opello:

Anduin: well, i did mysqldump, then trying a mysql -u root -p < foo.sql

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opello:

that's what i meant by "import"

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AdamKili:

how many of you have installed MythTV from Ubuntu? Is it very difficult

[21:21:24]

AdamKili:

?

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Agrajag-:

AdamKili: difficult is relative to how stupid you are

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Agrajag-:

but if you have your hardware working, then i'd say no, it's not difficult at all

[21:23:29]

Anduin:

opello: so the dump has the charset defined explicitly per table?

[21:24:04]

opello:

doesn't seem to

[21:24:16]

Anduin:

opello: did you mc.sql first?

[21:24:50]

opello:

no

[21:25:04]

opello:

i thought that a bad idea, if it's going to fix the schema for me ...

[21:25:09]

Anduin:

opello: Do that, it will set latin1 as the charset for the DB

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juski:

xris: display: table-cell — seems to fix it!

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Anduin:

opello: mc.sql only creates the database (no tables)

[21:25:37]

opello:

ah i can do that myself too

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juski:

on inline elements, the width is ignored

[21:25:56]

opello:

looks like there's more to mc.sql too though, i'll just run it

[21:26:08]

xris:

juski: that doesn't work in IE.

[21:26:14]

Anduin:

opello: Yeah, it creates the mythtv users as well, not much to it really

[21:26:23]

opello:

Anduin: and some temporary table thing

[21:26:51]

Anduin:

opello: Yeah, just grants

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juski:

doesn't work in IE? we might have to forget about the fancy buttons over the fancy header then

[21:28:22]

juski:

oh yeah it doesn't work. and how

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juski:

everybody should never use IE anyway :)

[21:28:52]

opello:

doesn't ie use inline-block?

[21:30:02]

juski:

xris: if you take a look at the page online now, in firefox you'll see it's much better. reckon that could be made to work in IE?

[21:31:14]

xris:

juski: yeah. and probably a lot easier than you have now if you are using display:table-cell

[21:31:37]

xris:

your html is also broken

[21:31:42]

xris:

you have <li> with no <ul>

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juski:

oops

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juski:

I'm a theme designer not a web designer ;)

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xris:

heh

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juski:

starting to look prettier though eh?

[21:33:11]

juski:

I think I'd be altogether better off just taking the page completely apart & doing the css from scratch

[21:33:43]

juski:

something to do over xmas while I'm at the in-laws :)

[21:34:42]

juski:

but that IE difference.. I can hardly believe it

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xris:

IE sucks. heh.

[21:35:01]

juski:

why do MS completely ignore the W3C?

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juski:

I guess they can afford to

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juski:

it's tempting to make my own site only work in non-IE browsers :)

[21:36:07]

juski:

that'll show em

[21:36:14]

xris:

they think that they have a better standard

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opello:

there's already a 'too good for ie' banner :)

[21:36:19]

xris:

actually, IE 7 fixes a lot of those issues.

[21:36:36]

xris:

you'll notice that there's a "this looks like crap in IE" bug for mythweb. heh.

[21:36:54]

juski:

hahaha

[21:37:12]

xris:

I'll close it when I redo the main welcome page.

[21:37:17]

xris:

then someone can open a new one. heh.

[21:38:17]

juski:

damn. I should've kept the oldcopy of the mockup

[21:39:07]

juski:

oh wait.. I did :)

[21:39:32]

xris:

link?

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juski:

haven't got a png of it yet.. hang on a tic

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juski:

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/site/mockup.png

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juski:

whoops

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juski:

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/site/images/mockup.png

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juski:

it's not the actual one but close enough

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opello:

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kormoc:

opello, you sure there isn't any special chars?

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opello:

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kormoc:

well, I'm wondering if perhaps there is a i with a accent in the key, but your term just isn't displaying it

[21:45:11]

opello:

and the accented i seems to be the difference in the mentioned record, and an earlier one without the accent

[21:45:18]

opello:

no the term is displaying it

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opello:

as is vim

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kormoc:

ahh, my irc client isn't then :P

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opello:

but: /Juan Garc.a/ comes up with 2 records, one with an i and one with an accented i

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opello:

(in vim)

[21:46:07]

opello:

seems odd, because latin1 has those characters ...

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kormoc:

strange

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kormoc:

might be a mismatched COLLATE type?

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xris:

juski: neither of those work

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opello:

kormoc: i don't follow?

[21:49:41]

juski:

work as in don't look right?

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kormoc:

opello, you have two language settings in mysql, you have the charset (latin1) and the collate type (default is latin1_sweedish_ci)

[21:50:29]

opello:

set at the database level?

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juski:

haha I see now. duh!

[21:50:46]

juski:

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/justin.hornsby2/ . . . s/mockup.png

[21:50:46]

kormoc:

heh, can be, but also set at the server level, and the table level

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opello:

ah

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kormoc:

juski, that looks sharp

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opello:

yeah it does

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opello:

kormoc: how do you check it? and would you have a recommendation?

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kormoc:

opello, http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/charse . . . -effect.html

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juski:

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/justin.hornsby2/ . . . /mockup2.png for a possibility, though might be too graphics intensive

[21:54:45]

kormoc:

opello, as for how to check... I'm not sure. I'd bet it's covered in the manual somewhere

[21:55:03]

opello:

yeah i'm still looking

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kormoc:

opello, and if they're different, I'd attempt to set all the databases/tables to the same as the server

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juski:

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/justin.hornsby2/ . . . /mockup3.png would be another variation. i think I prefer the latter

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opello:

kormoc: it's not specified anywhere for the tables

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kormoc:

opello, then it would use the database one, and if that's not set, it would use the server set one

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kormoc:

but it's likely not that then

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opello:

so it's using this swedish_cs one

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opello:

ci*

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** kormoc nods **

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kormoc:

and sense they match, it shouldnt' be a charset issue

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opello:

hm, i'm still not finding how to determine it, and it's not in my.cnf

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kormoc:

it's set to latin1 and latin1_sweedish_ci if it's not in your my.cnf

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opello:

ah

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psofa:

anyone around with an 8ms lcd tv that can give ghosting impressions?

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juski:

woooooooooooooo! wooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!

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juski:

will that do?

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Paladine:

w00dles

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Paladine:

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Paladine:

Sensors: CPU Temp: +33°C Case Temp: +35°C

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Paladine:

new cpu in :)

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psofa:

juski, i cant translate woooooo!

[22:12:35]

juski:

that was me doing my ghosting impression

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xris:

jams: weren't you supposed to get me a conf file for lighttpd?

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psofa:

:S ok but thats not funny! im stuck with this old crt and svideo!

[22:13:17]

juski:

as far as lcd TVs go I'd be more concerned about black not looking black

[22:13:51]

jams:

xris- yes I was. Got caught up on other stuff.

[22:14:13]

xris:

jams: ok. just making sure I had the right person.

[22:14:17]

psofa:

juski, well i think thats no problem any more.I mean it has come to a decent point

[22:14:32]

jams:

I can send the conf file if you really need it now. Otherwise hopefully in the next 2 weeks

[22:14:33]

xris:

juski: both look good.. white background for the content section will be required, though.

[22:14:41]

xris:

jams: no hurry

[22:14:51]

juski:

xris: figured as much, which is why I did it ;)

[22:14:53]

xris:

I added some stuff to the apache one last night, which you might want to look at.

[22:15:04]

jams:

ok

[22:15:15]

jams:

it's a neverending battle to stay caught up....

[22:15:34]

juski:

I'll start cutting up the images in a bit, then see if I can style it into a reasonable demo page

[22:15:36]

janneg:

xris: I'll try my luck with a lighttpd conf file. I'm rebuilding my mythtv box due a drive error and I'll not install apache

[22:15:57]

xris:

janneg: cool. should get jams' current one since he's done a bit of work so far.

[22:16:12]

janneg:

jams: if you have working parts please send them

[22:16:29]

xris:

juski: I'm still curious to see what a tray/trough would look like. maybe I'll mock something up tonight.. although I have to make sticky toffee pudding for the work potluck tomorrow.

[22:16:35]

xris:

and make enough that I don't eat all of it beforehand.

[22:16:42]

juski:

heh

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jams:

janneg, sure I will put them on my website.

[22:17:02]

jams:

The only thing I haven't tried is the streaming stuff

[22:17:25]

xris:

I should really build some kind of makefile that installs the config file properly, etc.

[22:17:34]

opello:

kormoc: so do you have a suggestion for the accents being 'equivalent' to the unaccented letters?

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juski:

xris: do you mean the whole menu swathe on the rhs of the gaim site?

[22:18:09]

xris:

juski: something like that, but like what I drew into that scratch pad

[22:18:40]

xris:

sort of like how the blue category list intersects with the metal at the top of http://www.siliconmechanics.com/

[22:18:42]

juski:

I don't follow

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kormoc:

opello, honestly, there isn't any real way to fix that other then code side. I'm assuming this is a mythtv bug?

[22:18:45]

xris:

but flatter

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xris:

(or not)

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juski:

ahhh

[22:19:26]

janneg:

jams: otherwise it is working? I have never used the streaming

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opello:

kormoc: i guess i don't know, it let my 0.18.1 install insert them, and mysqldump was probably configured for utf8 output like it is in mysql5

[22:19:30]

xris:

juski: have the color from the top menu fall down the left side as a thin 10–20px line, and a trough coming out of there to hold the left nav

[22:19:42]

opello:

kormoc: the rebuilding my old table on the new install is failing on inserts with primary key looking errors

[22:19:53]

xris:

juski: but more or less in the shape of things that I sketched.

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kormoc:

opello, ahh... you could likely set the database to utf-8... if it dumped in utf-8 format, it should insert back in fine

[22:20:30]

opello:

but mc.sql creates a latin1 db, does mythtv depend on that?

[22:21:59]

janneg:

yes, it uses latin1 as 8bit storage

[22:22:01]

Dagmar:

Yes.

[22:22:09]

Dagmar:

Dang gentoo users

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kormoc:

you can convert after the insert

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kormoc:

ALTER TABLE blah blah

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kormoc:

which should only nail you on the few rows that match

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kormoc:

which you can then remove/handle

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kormoc:

but the majority of your data should be fine

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jams:

janneg, the conf file and patch can be found here http://jmeyer.us/screens/light/

[22:29:00]

jams:

the rewrite rule in lighttpd.conf expects mythweb to live at http://xxxx/mythweb/

[22:31:08]

juski:

heh. psp's vector graphics just don't cut it for this. I need inkscape

[22:33:09]

janneg:

jams: thanks

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voidmage:

My program guide has all the channels off, such as channel 3 is listed as channel 5 in the program guide

[22:35:22]

jams:

janneg, the patch is to keep the db login info out of the lighttpd.conf file.

[22:36:34]

janneg:

yeah, I've seen it

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jams:

heh, I guess it did sorta explain itself

[22:46:44]

jams:

janneg- the major thing is you need php with cgi support.

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voidmage:

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matallo:

hello

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xris:

matallo: check the wiki.

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xris:

and ask juski for a link to his themes.

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matallo:

i think I've clicked on every link of the wiki

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matallo:

hehehe

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xris:

there's a whole page in the wiki for themes.

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gbee:

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/justin.hornsby2/

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xris:

there are also a bunch of themes in the mythtv themes package

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gbee:

check out blootube

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jams:

looks like I need to change the link on the wiki for my themes

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jams:

no clue what my login info is anymore

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gbee:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Themes

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matallo:

i was looking for something like Mythcenter

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matallo:

but without images

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matallo:

or, at least with smaller letters

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gbee:

that page needs updating ... retro is now in svn for one

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matallo:

some of teh title just break and won't show very well

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matallo:

and retro is neat too

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matallo:

but i don't like the images provided

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matallo:

and, don't u know if there's going to be released a G.a.N.T. osd theme?

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juski:

don't look at me for a theme without any huge images. sheesh :)

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matallo:

;)

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sirkha_to1:

hello, i am trying to run mythfilldatabase, but it keeps erroring, saying it can't connect to the back end server... http://pastebin.com/842889

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sirkha_to1:

link is to the program output

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kormoc:

sirkha_to1, is the backend running?

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sirkha_to1:

yes

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gbee:

and is it on the same machine?

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sirkha_to1:

yes

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kormoc:

why don't you try restarting the backend

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sirkha_to1:

interesting...

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sirkha_to1:

it said there was no process to kill, and so i started it again and did ps -A

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sirkha_to1:

and there is no mythback end process

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sirkha_to1:

its set up to run as a service out of /etc/init.d/

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sirkha_to1:

after looking at the back end log, it seems that /mnt/store did not have the right permissions

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sirkha_to1:

thanks for the help

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chickeneater:

the quality of the pvr-250 tuner is supposed to be acceptable, right?

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chickeneater:

because my tuner looks like this: http://picasaweb.google.com/lastlee/UntitledA . . . 236039638034

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chickeneater:

and that's about the best

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chickeneater:

that's just coaxial... s-video is fine

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