Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Tuesday, December 19th, 2006, 00:00 UTC

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fbis:

theres something else going on here!

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|Torg|:

what happend when you did that?

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stuarta:

what eejit wrote this episode of torchwood???

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fbis:

I forced the dtabase to install and its now there

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juski:

stuarta: which one?

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juski:

not watched the latest yet

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stuarta:

random shoes, reliving the life of a dead man

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juski:

oh hell that one was GASH

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fbis:

now I'm trying to get the backend up!

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fbis:

sheesh

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stuarta:

firetrucking terrible....

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fbis:

Session management error: Authentication Rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed

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juski:

fbis: that's normal

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|Torg|:

how good is torchwood?

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fbis:

ahhh. ok :)

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fbis:

newbies huh!

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juski:

lately, not at all good

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stuarta:

|Torg|: not bad overall. this episode can, however, be deleted...

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|Torg|:

mostly I dont like dr who spinoffs so I want sure if I should watch it or not

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stuarta:

that was a pile of shite...

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juski:

it was so bad it hung my frontend right at the very end

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stuarta:

even your frontend thought it was crap :)

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juski:

I need to catch up on Spooks tomorrow

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juski:

slack can wait

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fbis:

cannot connect to backend server! I am about to give up

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juski:

fbis: you're close though

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juski:

see there's some bits of installing mythtv which packagers haven't helped with

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|Torg|:

juski did you drink something today? your being awfully nice

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juski:

infact I'd go as far as saying they made it harder

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juski:

|Torg|: STFU!!!!!!!!!!!

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juski:

that better? ;)

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fbis:

i set the ip address to 127.0.0.1 which is correct

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|Torg|:

yes, now im happy :)

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fbis:

how do i run the backend?

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juski:

fbis: which distro?

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fbis:

ubuntu

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juski:

normally something like sudo /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend start

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juski:

but before you do that

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juski:

with me?

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fbis:

yep

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juski:

before you do that, run mythbackend in a terminal just for a sec

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juski:

if it doesn't plop out & give any heinous error messages you're good to go with the init script

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fbis:

bugger then :(

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juski:

what'd it say?

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juski:

anyway |Torg| it's nearly Christmas ya know. if I can't be full of cheer now when can I be? ;)

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|Torg|:

sure juski rock on :)

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fbis:

No setting found for this machine's BackendServerIP.

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|Torg|:

fbis did you run mythtv-setup?

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juski:

after doing so well on saturday night I'm sort of of the impression I was slipped a Mickey Finn on Friday

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** stuarta suspects it was just juski getting old **

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|Torg|:

getting?

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juski:

4 bottles of becks & 3/4 bottle of wine spazzed me out? pah

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stuarta:

hehehe

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juski:

I'm not the sort to quit while I'm ahead either, but by god I knew I had to on friday

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juski:

jury is still out on whether I called any work colleagues wankers or not but hey

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|Torg|:

hey juski it takes one to know one :)

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juski:

have we met? ;)

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|Torg|:

must have

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fbis:

did that b4 i sorted the db out. Works now :)

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fbis:

just gotta make it see my tv ard

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juski:

tv ard? is that one of them 'roughest pubs' programmes?

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juski:

ere mate.. you got a knife? nah? well ere's one for ya

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fbis:

lol

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|Torg|:

here's your sign

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stuarta:

night all

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juski:

night stuarta

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stuarta:

off to aus on thu, so won't be around much in the next few weeks, so have fun all :)

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|Torg|:

take care

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juski:

aye... I know I will. don't get too sunburned :)

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stuarta:

hehe! i'll just drink more beer, i'll be fine !

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fbis:

argghhh. thats it I give up! off to bed for me. catch you guys tommorrow probably ;)

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purserj:

/win/win 7

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chris__:

for systems with a remote frontend would NET_DMA be advised in the kernel?

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chris__:

or would it not make a diff

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chris__:

I'm having stream errors on the remote front while the back is doing io intense tasks.... usually db related... locate -u, mythfilldb etc

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chris__:

but if I run a frontend on the backend machine its totally fine....

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kormoc:

chris__, only way to tell is to test it, there's no hard rule

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juski:

try it & see

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juski:

some network cards result in more cpu usage than others

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chris__:

would both machines need it or just the backend?

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kormoc:

gotta test

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kormoc:

it depends on your nic cards and everything else

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chris__:

ok I'll try.... one of the last hurdles I have to overcome...

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L2SHO:

I just hooked up my mythtv box to my TV with s-video, and theres a blue line on the left and top of the picture

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L2SHO:

any ideas?

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juski:

L2SHO: yeah you need the xvattr command

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tcpsyn:

No closer with the volume.

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tcpsyn:

Very strange

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tcpsyn:

does changing the volume produce logs anywhere?

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juski:

L2SHO: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/NVidiaProprietaryDriver

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L2SHO:

ok, lemme look into that, thanks

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L2SHO:

hmm, that just changed my blue lines to green lines

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juski:

so change the value to something else ;)

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L2SHO:

actually, the line on the top isn't really a solid color, it changes colors according to whats on the screen

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juski:

or you could use overscan to move the lines so they're no longer visible

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GreyFoxx:

l2h: Ok, you need to increase your overscan

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juski:

if you have a nvidia card, nvidia-settings is your friend

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L2SHO:

ok, I'll just screw around for a little bit

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GreyFoxx:

the broadcasters assume that the outer edges are always past the visible edge of the screen and there is often "garbage" outside of the viewing area

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Inssomniak:

what command selects audio track when there are multiple tracks?

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juski:

what command?

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juski:

press M to bring up the OSD menu

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juski:

in mythfrontend

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GreyFoxx:

Inssomniak: I can't remember the key offhand, I just use the OSD menu

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juski:

then select the audio track there

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L2SHO:

has anyone used one of those new video cards with the DVI or HDMI output?

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GreyFoxx:

Inssomniak: + or – will cycle through audio tracks

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Inssomniak:

cool that works, although when I select ac3 track it doesnt switch :(

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L2SHO:

another issuse I'm having, which isn't really a big deal, but after I close X using TV out and my display switches back to my monitor, everything has a purple tint

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chris__:

ok.... what should I look for in a network card.... must be the reason....

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L2SHO:

is there some way to fix that?

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timtrimble:

question

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timtrimble:

how do I tell xorg to output the same thing on both my vga and svideo ports, or even just on svideo?

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chris__:

oh crap..... turns out I'm using the onboard rhine card.... :(

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chris__:

heh.... I'll try a real card....

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Zider:

timtrimble: dependson the driver

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timtrimble:

nvidia

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timtrimble:

the actual drivers from nvidia

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Zider:

well then it's well documented

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mchou:

chris__: what's wrong with rhine?

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Zider:

there's nice guides along with the drivers as well as on nvidia.org

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kleptophobiac2:

how do you tell the link speed with ifconfig?

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chris__:

well right now it may be stealing too many cpu cycles....

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kormoc:

kleptophobiac2, you don't?

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Zider:

kleptophobiac2: use mii-diag

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L2SHO:

timtrimble: http://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x . . . endix-h.html

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kleptophobiac2:

k

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mchou:

chris__: really? I doubt it

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kleptophobiac2:

meh, my nic doesn't support mii

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timtrimble:

thanks a ton, l2sho

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mchou:

kleptophobiac2: ethtool

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kormoc:

kleptophobiac2, dmesg usually outputs something about the link

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Zider:

kleptophobiac2: you could be lucky and see it in dmesg

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Zider:

or rather, not unlucky.. ;)

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kleptophobiac2:

hmm

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kleptophobiac2:

darn, nothing in dmesg

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mchou:

ethtool works even w/o mii

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** kleptophobiac2 installs ethtool **

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chris__:

mchou, well every time my backend does something my remote front pukes

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mchou:

chris__: lol

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mchou:

so why would you suspect the network port?

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kormoc:

kleptophobiac2, *might* have something in /sys/class/net/eth0/*

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kleptophobiac2:

ethtool works nicely, just tried it

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L2SHO:

oh, this is bull, nvidia-settings depends on GTK

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Zider:

bull?

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chris__:

because if I run a frontend on the server all is fine

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mchou:

chris__: lol

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Zider:

I prefer to see a gtk util than a qt one, personally

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mchou:

Zider: heh

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L2SHO:

I run gentoo, and I don't feel like waiting for gtk to compile

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Zider:

mchou: ?

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Zider:

L2SHO: so do I

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chris__:

maybe I'll just add a nic instead of replace...

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mchou:

chris__: I doubt if it has anything to do with the NIC at all

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chris__:

sorry.... trying to type with my 2 yr old asleep on my lap

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Zider:

2 year old what?

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chris__:

so then what could possibly be?!?

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chris__:

boy

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Zider:

oh, akid

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kormoc:

it could be a male dog or cat...

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Zider:

or whisky

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mchou:

kormoc: dont be crude

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chris__:

human.... last I checked neways

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chris__:

i think....

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Zider:

mine's a girl.. but probably notentirely human ;P

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chris__:

:)

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timtrimble:

do i need to have BusID in xorg?

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kormoc:

Zider, I'm so amused that you didn't associate it with a human till after you got the gender :P

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chris__:

gawd he's getting heavy

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kormoc:

timtrimble, nah, it's completely optional is the majority of cases

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Zider:

kormoc: I was thinking whisky :P

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Zider:

kormoc: you don't usually say "boy" or "girl" about animals tho, but rather male or female

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chris__:

does anyone know what could be wrong with my backend? even a hint??

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kormoc:

chris__, have you tried enabling more logging?

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chris__:

yeah boy/girl kinda implies human...

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kormoc:

meh, I tend to think that boy/girl implys young, tis all

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jay252:

I'm connecting my ATI 9550 component out to my Toshiba CRT projection screen. Using windows and powerstrip I have found several modlines which work well, however when I try these modelines in X.org the screen is either blank or very distorted. Are there additional settings I should be paying attention to besides the modelines in xorg.conf?

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Zider:

kormoc: pff!

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Zider:

;P

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kormoc:

jay252, you might want to make sure the modelines you have are actually in the same format X expects them to be

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jay252:

I think the modeloines are ok, other people have reported they have had success with the same modelines on my TV but with different video cards

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tcpsyn:

does anyone use mythtv with artsd?

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kormoc:

jay252, I would check the x logs and make sure it's using the modes you think it is, and if it's spitting out any warnings or errors

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jay252:

sure I will have a look. I have noticed the fglrx driver refuses to use certain modelines, is this normal?

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GreyFoxx:

tcpsyn: I think most people disable that to avoid issues

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timtrimble:

SWEET JESUS!

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timtrimble:

I got it to work!

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tcpsyn:

I just can't find a way to control the volume

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kormoc:

jay252, yeah, fglrx is a tad picky at times. they try to protect you from 'harm'

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cornell:

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jay252:

kormoc, do you suggest I use a different driver? if so what are my choices?

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kormoc:

jay252, well, check the logs and see if fglrx is complaining or not, and you might be able to fix it, or change it to something it likes. it all depends on the root cause of the issue

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jay252:

ok, I will go look at the logs again,

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tcpsyn:

muahahah. It works if I set the AudioDevice to JACK:

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tcpsyn:

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chris__:

well ok.... backend log shows business as usual... fronend log prebuffer wait pastebin is http://pastebin.ca/284428

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chris__:

locate -u started just after on the backend....

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chris__:

I know this is a trivial error but annoying nontheless....

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opello:

ok, i'm on mythtv 0.18.1 and have a pvr500, i can't seem to get my composite video to work though

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opello:

i had it working, but sound was still coming from the cable tv

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opello:

(but then neither tuner would show the tv signal)

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mistone:

ok I just got a new HDTV it has HDMI and compent, and I need a new graphics card, which one should I buy

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mistone:

I was thinking I should get a nvidia FX 5200 with DVI then get a DVI to HDMI

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mistone:

is this the best way?

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mistone:

( I want XvMC obviously )

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L2SHO:

mistone: DVI and HDMI are essentally the same, HDMI just has support for audio on the same wire, but as far as I know this is irrevelant with mythtv

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L2SHO:

mistone: I would just buy a converter

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kormoc:

L2SHO, HDMI also supports HDCP

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mistone:

to convert VGA to HDMI? that doesn't seem like the best way to me

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L2SHO:

mistone: I meant DVI to hdmi

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kormoc:

mistone, no, DVI to HDMI

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mistone:

oh yea thats what I meant

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mistone:

get a FX 5200 and a DVI to HDMI cable

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L2SHO:

I'm not sure how high of a resolution the 5200 is cabable of outputting tho

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mistone:

I should be able to watch fullscreen 1080i TV with that right?

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kormoc:

sure, would work fine

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kormoc:

L2SHO, beyond 1080

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kormoc:

mistone, assuming your cpu is fast enough, aye

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mistone:

I have a 3 ghz intell

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kormoc:

should do fine for tv content

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kormoc:

if you get into mpeg-4 hd stuff, might be a tad slowish

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mistone:

ok so what graphics card would you recommend

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mistone:

thats relativly cheap

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kormoc:

keep in mind, no-one uses mpeg-4 HD stuff, so it's only jsut a FYI

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mistone:

oh

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kormoc:

1080p mpeg-4 stresses my GeForce 6800 GT

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mistone:

and XvMC will work on the DVI output right?

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kormoc:

sure

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mistone:

ok good

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mistone:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16812189056 that is the right kind right

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mistone:

and http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E16814145095 and I should be set for HD right?

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kormoc:

mistone, seems good, aye

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mistone:

I can spend 5 more bucks for a 5500 might as well

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cureless:

mistone: I would suggest something more powerful if possible, but most importantly, something pasively cooled

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kormoc:

mistone, tho, you won't get audio over that hdmi cable, so you need to make sure you can use a different input for audio and hdmi at the same time

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cureless:

passively*

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LLyric:

Someone reccomend a good, affordable HD projector?

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mistone:

I have a sound card

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LLyric:

720p I guess, 1080 is too damn expensive.

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mistone:

I want the sound in my good speakers anyway

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mistone:

I am getting http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E16814145082 instead

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mistone:

5 more bucks , twice as fast :D

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mistone:

well its just overclocked but whatever

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mistone:

thats the card I have in this PC actually

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mistone:

cureless, why does pasively cooled matter if I am not playing games and just displaying video

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cureless:

mistone: because when you're watching movies or other media you don't want to be listening to computer fans

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mistone:

pft

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tcpsyn:

can I change the vol+ vol- increments?

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mistone:

thats why I turn up the volume

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cureless:

mistone: what if you're not watching anything at the moment? (or do you have front-backend in 2 machines?)

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cureless:

silence is important (imho)

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mistone:

I got a whole room for it

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mistone:

I just leave :D

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mistone:

you certianly can't hear it in the next room

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cureless:

(with some cards, you'd be surprised)

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mistone:

lol

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Honk^away:

gpu fans can be pretty loud :)

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cureless:

I can definitelly hear my 6600 GT from the next room

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Honk^away:

and passive versions are not exactly expensive either

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mistone:

Actually i have that exact same card in this PC now its its pretty damn quite

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cureless:

my myth box has a 6100 integrated output, so no problem there.

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mistone:

you cna't hear it in the next room

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Honk^away:

well.. not all fans are loud =D

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mistone:

yea its pretty quite

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cureless:

not all pcs are loud, but as of late I've started to hear the machine more and more

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cureless:

(it's not making more noise, I just notice it more)

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mistone:

yea

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cureless:

(not the myth box, that's quiet)

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Honk^away:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814127181 :P

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mistone:

my fridge is so loud

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Zider:

my "main" box is barely audible, and it has 3 drives.. :P

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mistone:

yes, its low profile tho

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mistone:

:(

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Honk^away:

huh?

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mistone:

my box isn't low profile

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Honk^away:

lol? :P

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cureless:

Zider: what hard drives?

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Honk^away:

mistone: low profile works just fine in normal systems

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Zider:

cureless: I believe it's two seagates and one WD

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mistone:

actually I bought a PVR-150 MCE Lo profile and I had to bend up my ( old and crappy) case to fit it

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Zider:

ah, two WD and one Seagte

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Honk^away:

maybe your case is just old and crappy ;)

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mistone:

maybe but I don't wnat to bend it again its really unstable

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cureless:

Zider: I assume they're relatively new, old seagates are really noisy... well, some WDs are noisy too.

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Honk^away:

mistone: you probably would've had to do the same thing if it wasnt low-profile ;)

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Zider:

cureless: 200GBs

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cureless:

Actually some Seagates were quite silent, Barracuda VI iirc.

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mistone:

whatever

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Zider:

accordning to SMART, they're about to go down tho ;P

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Honk^away:

mishehu: yeah =)

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cureless:

Zider: doh!

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Honk^away:

mistone: too

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Honk^away:

just get what you want, doesnt really matter, if you dont care about noise

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mistone:

yea

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mistone:

atcually

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nandor_:

|t: around?

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nandor_:

guess not.

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mistone:

I should prob get the low-profile one just incase I want to get a mini box

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mistone:

hrmm

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mistone:

this is a tough call :(

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cureless:

mistone: are you building the whole thing from scratch?

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Zider:

I'd love to get hold of a C7 mobo

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mistone:

nope just upgrading

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mistone:

whatever I can just spend another 30 dollars lol

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Honk^away:

just return it if it doesnt work

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Honk^away:

errh.. can you do that where you're from? :P

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mistone:

no I mean if I want to convert my box to like a mini-ITX or something

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mistone:

I will just spend 30 bucks to get a low-profile graphics card

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L2SHO:

does anyone happen to know the changes in the DVB drivers for the pcHDTV-5500 between kernel 2.6.18 and 2.6.19?

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Honk^away:

d'oh :)

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cureless:

mistone: you're going to run into problems with newer boards being pci-e and not agp

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mistone:

oh thats AGP isn't it... hrm

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Honk^away:

just like the one you posted =)

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mistone:

whatever

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savageone-:

weird man

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mistone:

again I will have to buy a new one anyway

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mistone:

its jsut 30 bucks :D

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cureless:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814127204 <--- passive cooling

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Honk^away:

that's the one i posted, isnt it? =)

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mistone:

holy shit that is a good card

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cureless:

Honk^away: maybe, but in pci-e

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mistone:

for a good price

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cureless:

and a 6200 not 5200

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mistone:

I think I will buy one for my PC to

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Honk^away:

oh right, it just looks the same

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Honk^away:

i've got one like that, works great

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Honk^away:

(6200tc)

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mistone:

good find

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Honk^away:

but it's pointless to get a pci-e card, if he's got agp

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Honk^away:

lol

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kormoc:

just remember, TC cards are cheap because it uses system ram for the video card

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Honk^away:

he might have some trouble fitting that into his system ;)

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mistone:

yea will

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Honk^away:

kormoc: you wont need more than 64mb for 2d anyway

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mistone:

my case sucks anyway I wil lbend it

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cureless:

I got the impression that he realized the might have pci-e

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Honk^away:

mistone: i'm talking about agp vs pci-e.. that's your motherboard, not your case =)

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Honk^away:

cureless: mhh

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mistone:

oh I dunno if I have pci-e

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Honk^away:

maybe he's got no clue though :P

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Honk^away:

mistone: do you have agp?

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mistone:

yea

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Honk^away:

well.. there you go

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Honk^away:

no pcie

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kormoc:

Honk^away, sure, but remember, myth can use opengl, which can eat up some ram for textures and what not

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cureless:

mistone: well, before you buy the card, check out if you have pci-e or agp

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Honk^away:

kormoc: 64mb of ram? =)

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Honk^away:

that'd be some huge textures

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mistone:

oh there is no onboard ram

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mistone:

?

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mistone:

it says there is 250

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kormoc:

Honk^away, some mythfrontend themes use 400+ megs of ram, map that to a opengl context, there you go

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Honk^away:

kormoc: sick =)

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Honk^away:

6200tc cards usually have 64mb of ram

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Honk^away:

and some shared with system-memory

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cureless:

mistone: up to 256, 64 on board

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mistone:

oh

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kormoc:

not anymore, most of them are usually 8 megs onboard these days

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mistone:

well the 5500 has 128 onboard

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cureless:

don't despair, there are other cards with a bit more memory for low prices

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cureless:

but with agp you're "stuck in the past" so you might not find the best deals

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Honk^away:

kormoc: huh?

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Honk^away:

cureless: do you really think he needs more gpu memory? =)

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cureless:

nope

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cureless:

he'll be fine with 64

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Honk^away:

told ya ;)

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Honk^away:

that card wont work in his system though

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Honk^away:

back to my suggestion, which came with 128ish mb anyway

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nandor:

kormoc: you around?

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Honk^away:

he was here a second ago =)

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WhiteRabit:

are there any satellite services that don't use 5c and support firewire video streaming?

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kormoc:

nandor, aye

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kormoc:

WhiteRabit, I don't think so

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WhiteRabit:

bah

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sigger_2_:

is hdmi's signal transfer ability significantly better than component cable?

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cureless:

yes (under some definition of significantly)

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kormoc:

sigger_2_, it's pure digital, so tends to be, aye

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cureless:

there are environments where you might not notice though

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sigger_2_:

so if my cable box's HDMI output isn't working, I should really not just "settle" for component?

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cureless:

(ie. the ends of the cable don't take advantage of it, like connecting to a normal TV)

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kormoc:

sigger_2_, if you have a hdmi capable tv, then I wouldn't settle, nope

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sigger_2_:

I've heard that some TV's can take a couple seconds to lock on to (or get sync'ed with) HDMI. anyone get that?

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sigger_2_:

no yesses. that's good. thanks guys.

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nandor:

kormoc: so im having a werid problem

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nandor:

kormoc: i get wierd artifacts in recording esp. on cartoons, like the top and bottom of the image just friblilate randomly sometimes it happens on other shows as well but mostly cartoons and stuff with heavy text (comercials etc)

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nandor:

im wondering if the encoder is doing s/w encoding or something

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nandor:

anyway to figure out whats going on

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nandor:

ugh

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nandor:

so i just tried cat /dev/video > test.mpg

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nandor:

and even that had artifacts

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nandor:

i wonder if my pvr150 is bad

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mistone:

maybe its the ivtv driver or you have the wrong firmware?

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jams:

nandor- is that with a svideo/composite ?

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nandor:

composite

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mistone:

or you need to increase the bitrate it might be a MPEG2 thing

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nandor:

mishehu: how do i check those things

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nandor:

jams: is svid better?

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jams:

is this a Time Warner box?

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nandor:

yup

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jams:

hmm interesting

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nandor:

TWC san diego

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jams:

mine starting doing that after they rolled out the new firmware

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nandor:

hmmm

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jams:

have yet to really look at it though.

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nandor:

mostly on cartoons for you too?

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nandor:

like robot chicken is almost unwatchable for me

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jams:

could be the vbi data or a tw box setting

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nandor:

every 5 seconds it does a thing

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jams:

some cartoons but really anything with losts of text

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nandor:

you here in SD too?

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jams:

nope

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jams:

WI

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nandor:

ahh

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nandor:

well shoot

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jams:

your right, it's impossible to watch when the screen starts flickering like that

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jams:

the tuners work fine though

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nandor:

yup

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nandor:

its just the output through the pvr thats wonky

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jams:

yep

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nandor:

i am using both outputs, 1 directly into the tv and 1 into the mythbox

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jams:

plus their new interface is huge and ugly =)

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nandor:

i can split screen them and see just the myth one screw up

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nandor:

would svdeo help do you think?

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jams:

don't know I'm using composite as well

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nandor:

mistone: how do i check those things?

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jams:

planned to look at this weekend but didn't get around to it

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jams:

I'm thinking it might be the new output settings they added

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jams:

nandor- for the record it's not doing software encoding. That is impossible with the pvr-x50 cards

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jams:

if you setup myth todo software encoding with the pvr cards, you just get a black screen and errors

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L2SHO:

how come on newegg.com some video cards list TV-Out: S-video and some list TV-Out: HDTV/S-video?

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jams:

maybe they include component out along with s-video

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jams:

what card?

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L2SHO:

what I mean is, there are cards that have DVI outputs, but don't say HDTV in the tv-out section

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L2SHO:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.asp . . . bCategory=48

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L2SHO:

just go there and scroll down the page

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L2SHO:

and you can see there are cards with DVI that don't say HDTV, like the FX5200 cards

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L2SHO:

then there are other cards that do say HDTV

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L2SHO:

I dunno if it's just a marketing scheme, or if there is actually some advantage to the higher end cards

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jams:

from what I saw, the ones that say HDTV include compontent cables

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nandor:

testing svideo now

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L2SHO:

so I can still use the cheap-o cards and hook it up with DVI right?

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L2SHO:

and full HD

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jams:

if it has DVI out, then sure

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jams:

and your display has dvi in =)

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nandor:

jams: its behaving better on svideo but still funky

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L2SHO:

why do they try to confuse me! :x

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BULLE:

L2SHO: what most manufacturers mean with "hdtv" is basicly component output

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BULLE:

nothing more nothing less

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xris:

BULLE: for what?

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L2SHO:

ok, thanks

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BULLE:

xris: for the picture

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BULLE:

xris: you know, the py pb pr stuff, three wires

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L2SHO:

xris: we're talking about video cards

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xris:

BULLE: no, I mean for video cards or dvd players..

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xris:

ah

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xris:

yeah. well, since you can convert dvi to hdmi, the component out is the only "weird" thing to make HD.

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BULLE:

xris: graphics cards, when a sticker says "HDTV" it mostly refers to component output capability, in hdtv resolutions

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xris:

otherwise, all dvi cards are hd capable.

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BULLE:

ye

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L2SHO:

ok, good

[03:27:06]

L2SHO:

time to order a cheap video card

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xris:

L2SHO: nvidia 5200 or 6200 is plenty

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L2SHO:

I have a 5200 right now, but no DVI :(

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xris:

L2SHO: ah, annoying.

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L2SHO:

it's on older one, just s-video

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xris:

similar to mine, then...

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L2SHO:

I think it was like $150 when I bought it to, lol

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xris:

well, mine's pci, too. heh

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BULLE:

seems like a waste of money to buy anything more then a 5200 or 6200 right now, as nvidias hd stuff isnt supported in linux

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xris:

mine was $20. :)

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alsoconfused:

i can't get closed captioning to work. comcast analog->pvr-250. recorded programs indicate that captions are present but 'T'(toggle caption) says "no captions". any ideas?

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L2SHO:

whats the difference between the 5200 and 6200?

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BULLE:

L2SHO: one generation ? =P

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L2SHO:

anything significant?

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BULLE:

L2SHO: dont think so no

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xris:

L2SHO: slightly faster, I think

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BULLE:

not from a mythtv perspective anyway

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xris:

kormoc likely knows.

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L2SHO:

do any of you guys get this "NVP: prebuffering pause" problem?

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alsoconfused:

L2SHO: occasionally, but not enough to be a problem

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jams:

didn't the 6xxx series remove xvattr color_key support

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kormoc:

L2SHO. 6200 is clocked slightly faster, has more texture processing units, extra vertex processing units, faster memory, and newer opengl/directx.

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xris:

see? kormoc knows... :)

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kormoc:

jams, indeed, when they revamped the nvidia pure video support

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L2SHO:

lol

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jams:

thought so

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L2SHO:

is any of that important for mythtv tho?

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kormoc:

L2SHO, in terms of myth, you have slightly better XvMC support, at the cost of a grey scale OSD

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xris:

kormoc: which people are supposedly trying to figure out a fix for.

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L2SHO:

I hate the OSD anyway, is there any way to disable it?

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L2SHO:

it always slows things down when it fades away

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xris:

L2SHO: that shouldn't happen with xvmc

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L2SHO:

it does for me

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xris:

L2SHO: I used to have that problem, but haven't seen it in ages.

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BULLE:

xris: best bet is to pester nvidia to offer pureHD support in their linux drivers i guess

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BULLE:

dunno if htey are intrested, as they are currently selling that stuff, for windows

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kormoc:

BULLE, XvMC V2

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kormoc:

will impliment some mpeg-4 accell

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L2SHO:

but my major problem is that after X is running for a while, I start getting NVP: prebuffering pause every few seconds with audio and video stuttering

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kormoc:

L2SHO, how much ram do you have?

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L2SHO:

768mb

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L2SHO:

and 128 on the video card

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kormoc:

how much is used?

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BULLE:

kormoc: yes, but is there anything, besides just some very vague ides, about xvmc 2 ?

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L2SHO:

I dunno, def not all of it

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xris:

L2SHO: run `free`

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L2SHO:

I don't think

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BULLE:

thats bad

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BULLE:

its good to think

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L2SHO:

ya, I'll have to do it in a little bit

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kormoc:

BULLE, nvidia's mentioned it a few times in their forums about it, but nothing overly solid, no

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L2SHO:

I'm recording something now and don't want to screw anything up

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BULLE:

L2SHO: running free shouldnt realy mess things up

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xris:

L2SHO: free won't screw things up.

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xris:

it just prints the RAM usage

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L2SHO:

oh, I know that

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L2SHO:

but I'd have to go play a program and then run fre

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L2SHO:

free

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BULLE:

just use ssh ?

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** xris wonders what suddenly broke xine **

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L2SHO:

well right now 767800 is used

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L2SHO:

it's all in buffers/cache

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kormoc:

how much swap usage?

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L2SHO:

in the buffers like only 100 is used

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L2SHO:

31mb out of 1.6gb

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kormoc:

you should watch that and see if it grows when you're watching tv

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kormoc:

if so, something on your box is just eating memory, much more then it should

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L2SHO:

but I'm not playing anything now, so I wouldn't expect it to be using and resources

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kormoc:

well, it is, you shouldn't have any swap used in a perfect world, and 768m for a mythbox is quite enough and shouldn't swap too hard

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L2SHO:

mythtv mythtv # free

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L2SHO:

total used free shared buffers cached

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L2SHO:

Mem: 775868 767800 8068 0 3272 660932

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L2SHO:

-/+ buffers/cache: 103596 672272

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L2SHO:

Swap: 1667192 31616 1635576

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alsoconfused:

L2SHO: you can use vmstat to monitor swap activity

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L2SHO:

is there any way to change the amount of cached mamory?

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L2SHO:

memory*

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L2SHO:

or is cached memory good?

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kormoc:

you can tune the 'swappiness'

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kormoc:

cached is just files off of the disk, cached to speed them up

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kormoc:

it's nice, but not needed

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L2SHO:

how do I disable it?

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kormoc:

you can check your swappiness with cat /proc/sys/vm/swappiness

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L2SHO:

ok

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kormoc:

you can tune it by doing

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kormoc:

echo "30" > /proc/sys/vm/swappiness

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kormoc:

and you can play with that 30 as much as you want

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alsoconfused:

can anyone help me with closed captions?

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L2SHO:

can't I just set it to 0, or just turn off my swap?

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kormoc:

it won't keep over reboots, you might need to set it in your /etc/sysctl.conf

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kormoc:

L2SHO, turning off your swap is a bad idea. if you run out of ram, you will just have programs stop running rather then get slow, but if you really want to, run swapoff as root should turn it off

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kormoc:

L2SHO, or just try setting swappiness to 0

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alsoconfused:

i've seen some kernels lose their minds if there's 0 swapspace

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L2SHO:

is there any way to disable file caching?

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kormoc:

setting swappiness to 0 (or really low) is the most you can do

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L2SHO:

hmm

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L2SHO:

ok

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kormoc:

you have to have *some* filesystem cache, or else it just wouldn't work right :P

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alsoconfused:

L2SHO: there's not benefit to disabling file caching. why have a bunch of ram just sitting empty?

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L2SHO:

so then it's normal to have almost no free memory

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kormoc:

Aye

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alsoconfused:

L2SHO: right

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kormoc:

L2SHO, you're *real* free memory is the second line, where it says only 100 mb is used

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L2SHO:

so then why is everyone telling me that my system is eating up memroy

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L2SHO:

ok, thats what I thought

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BULLE:

alsoconfused: yes, the normal response from kml is that kernel behaviour is unsupported with 0 swapspace

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quantum:

I upgraded and now mythvideo does not seem to work, anybody know how to fix that? I don't see any error messages, it just doesn't start playing when I slect a video

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L2SHO:

so this still doesn't help with my NVP: prebuffering pause problem

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kormoc:

L2SHO, because in order to have swap space used, it had to have come close to running out of memory sometime, I said you should watch the memory usage while playing back and see if it grows a lot

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L2SHO:

ya, thats what I was planning to do

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alsoconfused:

quantum: have you looked at the filetype settings?

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jams:

kormoc, any idea abot how to fix this http://pastebin.ca/284587

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L2SHO:

I'm just wiating until my recording is finished

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quantum:

quantum, no, did something change? I am not sure what you mean

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jams:

if i backup and restore the database mythfilldatabase works once. Then those errors startup again

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quantum:

alsoconfused, It was working before I upgraded my kernel

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L2SHO:

what are peoples thoughts on this board? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813130046

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L2SHO:

built in DVI seems pretty cool

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quantum:

alsoconfused, some older mpegs files seem to play, but not the compressed dvds

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alsoconfused:

what do you mean by "compressed dvds"?

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quantum:

alsoconfused, using the dvd rip option with the high compression setting (medium quality or something)

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jams:

L2SHO- the onboard video is an intel card. Might want to make sure that intel chip is supported, sometimes they can be quirky

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L2SHO:

jams: didn't intel release the source for their video chips?

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BULLE:

L2SHO: seems there are only negative marks about the board,

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alsoconfused:

quantum: the video list shows which player will be used for each video. what does it show for the broken ones?

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BULLE:

L2SHO: if you dont have space for a separate grpahics card, i integrated video is ok, but if you have a case where you can fit a separate graphics card, i would recommend you to do that

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L2SHO:

I just really hate noise

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L2SHO:

CPU fans, case fans, PSU fans

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BULLE:

L2SHO: so just get a cheap 5200 or 6200 or 7300 nvidia card, they all come with passiv cooling

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L2SHO:

BULLE: I know

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BULLE:

L2SHO: eg, there are passively cooled models around, that dont cost more then the actively cooled ones

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L2SHO:

BULLE: Are there passively cooled CPU fans?

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BULLE:

L2SHO: well, they are not fans

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quantum:

alsoconfused, mpayer -fs -zoom -quiet -vo xv %s

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BULLE:

L2SHO: but there are passive cooling solutions for cpus, yes

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BULLE:

L2SHO: it tends to cost a bit though

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quantum:

alsoconfused, no I noticed the ones it isn't playing are type avi apparently

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L2SHO:

BULLE: thats what I meant

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BULLE:

same goes for psus, there are fanless ones

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L2SHO:

BULLE: I think right now the CPU fan is the loudest thing, makes it annoying to sleep next to the thing

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BULLE:

L2SHO: i can imagine

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alsoconfused:

quantum: if you want to continue using mplayer, troubleshoot it from the commandline. another option would be to use the internal player (change filetype avi to use "Internal")

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L2SHO:

Is there any significant advantage to running mythtv under DirectFB?

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GreyFoxx:

That's funny. personally I like the sound of the fans

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quantum:

alsoconfused, is there any downside to doing that?

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GreyFoxx:

It purs me to sleep

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L2SHO:

GreyFoxx: I think the bearings in mine are screwed up, they like to make funny noises

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alsoconfused:

quantum: only if you use special features of mplayer. the internal player has some nice features of its own, especially time-stretching

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xris:

alsoconfused: and dvd menus

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quantum:

alsoconfused, yeah, time-stretching is great, you do that under the setup/config stuff I assume (switching players)

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alsoconfused:

quantum: settings->video->filetypes

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alsoconfused:

xris: i see that you wrote some of the mythweb stuff related to streaming. maybe you can tell me why i get a page saying "an unknown module was specified". the rest of mythweb seems ok.

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xris:

alsoconfused: what's the URL it's giving you? (and I wrote most of mythweb, not just the streaming)

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alsoconfused:

e.g. http://127.0.0.1/mythweb/pl/stream/1007/1166498280

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xris:

alsoconfused: do you have a mythweb.pl file?

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alsoconfused:

yes

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xris:

and perl stuff in your .htaccess?

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BULLE:

if in doubt, run in circles, scream and shout!

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alsoconfused:

no, but the perl stuff is in the apache conf file

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quantum:

so it looks like mplayer is complaining aobut not being about to find card '1', wonder where it is pulling the soundcard info from

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quantum:

shold be sound card 0

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alsoconfused:

quantum: look for clues in ~/.mplayer/config

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jams:

kormoc must have run off todo something else

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BULLE:

jams: or he is running in circles, screaming and shouting

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kormoc:

Mornin' jams.

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kormoc:

jams, well, for some reason your DB thinks it's in two different languages

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jams:

right, got that far

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kormoc:

so the easy fix is to change the db to the correct language

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quantum:

so is the internal support for avi files new?

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jams:

and what is the corrct language?

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xris:

alsoconfused: oh, you're using svn?

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jams:

I have these in my.cnf

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jams:

collation_server=latin1_swedish_ci

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jams:

character_set_server=latin1

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xris:

that error happens when the mod_rewrite stuff is sending perl requests to mythweb.php instead of mythweb.pl

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alsoconfused:

xris: should i go back to -fixes?

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xris:

alsoconfused: that'd break the rest of mythtv

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xris:

well, wouldn't work so well, anyway.

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xris:

alsoconfused: you want to make sure that you have a line like:

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xris:

RewriteRule ^(pl(/.*)?)$ mythweb.pl/$1 [QSA,L]

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alsoconfused:

should the rewrite stuff be in both htaccess and conf

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kormoc:

jams, so then I would convert all to latin_swedish_ci, that's the default one anyway

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xris:

alsoconfused: if you have the full conf from svn, you don't need .htaccess

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xris:

anyway, time for food. back later.

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alsoconfused:

ok, thx xris

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jams:

pretty sure I did that, but will give it another try

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jams:

thanks for the input

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kormoc:

jams, ALTER TABLE table CONVERT TO CHARACTER SET latin1 COLLATE latin1_swedish_ci DEFAULT CHARACTER SET latin1 COLLATE latin1_swedish_ci;

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kormoc:

that *should* work, but feel free to check the manual for syntax, as that's off the top of my head

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jams:

heh thanks, I was just scrolling though my sql history

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kormoc:

also likely want to ALTER DATABASE so new tables get created properly

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jams:

that I have done, several times

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jams:

ALTER DATABASE mythconverg DEFAULT CHARACTER SET latin1;

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jams:

is that correct?

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kormoc:

you also want to add DEFAULT COLLATE latin1_swedish_ci

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jams:

ok

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jams:

mysql and myself often do not see eye to eye

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kormoc:

with mysql and charsets, I've found it's really required to name both whenever you can, as it tends to cause issues like this when you don't

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crudpuppy:

um, why does mythtv say dvb (v3.0)?

[04:24:34]

crudpuppy:

will the older dvb card version not work?

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crudpuppy:

or well, 3.x

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crudpuppy:

lol

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crudpuppy:

ah well, its 11:30 I'm going to bed

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L2SHO:

will a video card with a DVI-D output work on an HDTV? or do I need a DVI-I or DVI-A?

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quantum:

what is up with the mythweb server, I just get Internal server error no matter what password I enter. I did something like htdigest -c htdigest user user

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quantum:

does anyone know what realm is anyway

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BULLE:

afaik its just an arbitrary part of the complete http tree

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quantum:

so how do I choose it, should it just be mythtv or anything I like

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Anduin:

quantum: anything you like

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LLyric:

it's normally a hostname

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LLyric:

right?

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LLyric:

oh, that's the authority

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mistone:

is there a mythtv ubuntu dev that keeps up with the SVN ?

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mistone:

*deb

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mistone:

or repestory

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quantum:

Mon Dec 18 22:54:22 2006] [crit] [client 192.168.0.6] configuration error: couldn't check user. No user file?: /mythweb/index.html, referer: http://hostname/

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quantum:

that is the error I am getting in the error_log file on /var/log/httpd

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quantum:

seems bogus

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quantum:

mythweb doesn't seem to work at all, hmm

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quantum:

is anyone still online?

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xris:

quantum: there is no index.html

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xris:

alsoconfused: back. any luck?

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quantum:

xirs: yeah what should the link point to, mythweb/mythtv.php or something

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alsoconfused:

yes. got rid of .htaccess and modified baseurl

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alsoconfused:

tyvm!

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xris:

alsoconfused: cool

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xris:

quantum: how did you install mythweb?

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quantum:

yum install mythweb

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xris:

quantum: from atrpms?

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quantum:

yes I think so

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quantum:

then I followed some of the stuff in the readme file, but now just bogus error

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xris:

odd. his packages usually work decently.

[05:08:14]

xris:

shouldn't need to muck with readme stuff with axel's packages.

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quantum:

well it is apparently just an apache configure thing I guess

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xris:

yeah, axel does all of that.

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quantum:

it only promps me once for a password then just dies with the internal server error , I don't think it really gets to the myth stuff at all

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xris:

quantum: error seems to indicate that you didn't create a user file.

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quantum:

well I just did htdigest -c htdigest whateveriwant username

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quantum:

is that the same as a user file?

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Ballsy:

Hi there. MythTV on FC5 w/Hauppauge PVR-150 with built-in/on IR Blaster......trying to get remote working right. Wen running 'irw' and presisng some keys on remote, irw output indicates that it recignizing it as a Hauppauge_350 remote. Can I not just use that remote definition in my lircd.conf and be done with it ? MythTV isn't recognizing any keys I use on the remote......

[05:13:45]

alsoconfused:

Ballsy: myth needs a lircrc file to map the buttons to myth functions

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quantum:

any idea if the htdigest file is the same as the user file?

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Ballsy:

alsoconfused,sould I ust link ~/licrc (or similar) to etc/lircd.conf

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Ballsy:

?

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alsoconfused:

Ballsy: /etc/lircd maps ir codes to button names. ~/.mythtv/lircrc maps button names to myth functions

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quantum:

has anyone got mythweb working with a .htaccess file

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Ballsy:

alsoconfused,ahhh...I was missing that little tidbit of info....

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alsoconfused:

Ballsy: here's the one i'm using with the grey remote that came with my pvr-250: http://pastebin.ca/284653

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Ballsy:

alsoconfuse, thanks..will take a look. Just so I have this rght thugh....whn rnning 'irw' to see if my remote is being 'received', if it shows any output (in my case it's (blahblah Hauppauge_350) then naturally I should be sticking with the Hauppauge_350 definitiion in he lircd.conf file, right ? And remove all the others?

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xris:

quantum: read the comments in .htaccess

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alsoconfused:

Ballsy: is that your only remote?

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xris:

you need to specify the path to your file, and then the command to use depends on which version of apache you are running.

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Ballsy:

alsoconfused, indeed it is (I have a STB by the way....Satellite)

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alsoconfused:

Ballsy: my /etc/lircd.conf just has the defs for Hauppage Grey (PVR-350)

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Ballsy:

alsoconfused, ah, ok...and I've just cleared my lircd.conf out as well, to only include the 350 stuff. So using your lircrc should work outta the box, one might think?

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alsoconfused:

Ballsy: i think so. you can test it at the "application" level with: ircat --config=~/.mythtv/lircrc mythtv

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quantum:

xris, : what is the differance between htpasswd and htdigest?

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opello:

so, i was on mythtv 0.18.1, but apparently that version won't work with the later ivtv (0.80)? can i rebuild 0.18.1 or do i need to go up to 0.20?

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xris:

quantum: they're two different methods of authentication

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xris:

htdigest is slightly more secure.

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quantum:

xris, o.k. well, I made the htdigest file and set AuthUserFile /var/www/htdigest

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quantum:

but still the same error

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xris:

quantum: did you check your version of apache to make sure that AuthUserFile is the correct command?

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alsoconfused:

quantum: i think you need to use AuthDigestFile instead of AuthUserFile

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xris:

alsoconfused: that depends on the apache version.

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quantum:

Server version: Apache/2.0.54

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xris:

quantum: and what does the .htaccess version say about apache versions?

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alsoconfused:

xris: agreed

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xris:

man, it's hard to tell people to read the instructions without sounding condescending... quantum, please don't think I intend to sound that bad.

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quantum:

xris, well I guess it does kind of say that, hmmm

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Ballsy:

alsoconfused, hrmm...doesn't seem to map correctly for me...some buttons don't provide any output, some provide the right thing, and others provide the wrong thing. Guess I'll need to grow my own....will have to read up a bit first....

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mistone:

so in the new SVN does it only fix it so the xbox 360 doens't lag my whole network or does actually share music/videos with it to

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xris:

quantum: does that fix the problem?

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quantum:

xris: o.k. now I have AuthType Basic, AuthName "username", AuthUserFile /var/www/.htpasswd, Require valid-user

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quantum:

does that sound right

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xris:

for basic auth, sure.

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xris:

you could have just used AuthDigestFile, though

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quantum:

well I have Apache 2.0.54 so it sounded like I could not use the Digestfile

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quantum:

oh I have tried both

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alsoconfused:

Ballsy: i've probably got a mongrel set of keybindings in myth. sorry i didn't think of that b4. look at mythtv/contrib/configfiles/lircrc.native.example.hauppauge

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quantum:

If you're running Apache earlier than 2.2, you will need to use

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quantum:

# AuthDigestFile instead of AuthUserFile.

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xris:

quantum: no. you just need to use the other command name.

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xris:

apache changed the name of the command in 2.2

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quantum:

AuthDigestFile /var/www/htdigest

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quantum:

, AuthType User

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xris:

quantum: that doesn't work

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xris:

you can't mix User and Digest auth methods

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quantum:

well I don't even get prompted for a password anymore

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quantum:

in the <Directory /> section of httpd.conf should I have AllowOverride set to AuthConfig?

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xris:

quantum: no. you don't want to touch Directory /

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alsoconfused:

quantum: not sure, but i think "AuthType User" is wrong. should be "AuthType Digest" or "AuthType Basic"

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quantum:

xris, : I'll change it back to none (I think that is what it was at least)

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quantum:

alsoconfused, Yeah I changed it back to digest

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xris:

quantum: http://pastebin.ca/284670

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xris:

notice that the difference between them is one word.

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quantum:

heh at least it stoped crasshing, of course it just rejects my password

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sandeen:

2006-12–18 23:46:14.399 WriteAudio: buffer underrun

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sandeen:

hrmph

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sandeen:

wish I knew where those were coming from

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alsoconfused:

quantum: while messing with this stuff, you should tail -f /var/log/httpd/{access_log,error_log}

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quantum:

xris, yeah, it would have been better if he just had the lines with one commented out

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Ballsy:

Does anyone know of a decient location of an explanation on how to build a proper lircrc file ? And how it works with lircd.conf file in /etc ? I see lots of examples of the files via google, but none on how to build your own, correspond the keys to functions, explain what the lines in lircrc mean, etc....

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xris:

quantum: does it come enabled by default?

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alsoconfused:

Ballsy: did you see the last msg i sent you?

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crudpuppy:

ok, on newegg, there are like 5 version of the pvr-150

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crudpuppy:

which one is the right one?

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crudpuppy:

can I just buy the cheapest?

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quantum:

xris, comes with teh lines for 2.2 commented out only, and yeah I guess it explains it as you pointed out in the plain text, but anyway now that the server has stopped crasshing to figure out why it won't give me access, pointing to mythweb/mythweb.php should work right?

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Ballsy:

alsoconfused, yes, and I tried that native one....to no avail. Instead of copying examples though, I suppose I should figure out how it all works instead, so perhaps I can make my own....

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Mito:

is anyone here familiar with the IRA-3 ?

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alsoconfused:

Ballsy: feel free to roll your own, but i think the examples worked pretty well for me even before i hacked them.

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quantum:

ahh the realm has to apparently be your username

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mtnbkr:

quantum: authtype should be basic, not digest

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quantum:

what is the differance

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xris:

quantum: you shouldn't need the mythweb.php part

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mtnbkr:

quantum: the realm can be anything... "MythTV web login"

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xris:

quantum: realm can be anything

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Ballsy:

alsoconfused, the prog, button and config lines in the lircrc.....prog is often se to 'mythtv' .. does that actually correspond to a program name or something ? I assume 'button' should be set to whatever output I see in 'irw' when I pusha button on the remote....and the config line is......?

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quantum:

well all I know is when I changed it to my username it suddenly started working, maybe I had them backwards or something I guess

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xris:

quantum: sounds likely

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Ballsy:

alsoconfused, understood. Unfortunately, they don't seem to be working well for me at all......which COULD be my fault of course..I'm just trying to see how they work together

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alsoconfused:

Ballsy: the config line is the "key" you want mythtv to receive.

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xris:

quantum: dunno why axel would have left auth enabled, though.. users should be able to choose such things, even if it's dumb not to secure it.

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Mito:

hey there everyone, got a Q for ya

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alsoconfused:

Ballsy: although mythtv uses its own lircrc file, it's possible to configure multiple programs in a single lircrc... that's why each section specifies the program.

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Mito:

is anyone here familiar with the IRA-3 IR receiver?

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quantum:

xris, : no it wasn't enabled, but he had the default lines for 2.2 commented out, and then just a description of the change for the older version, I was sayins have both sets of lines fo the tired user like me

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Ballsy:

alsoconfused, where would I find a list of the keys that mythtv wants, so I can associate a 'button' with each of them ?

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xris:

quantum: ah. that's me, not him.

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quantum:

anyway thanks everyone for the help

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alsoconfused:

Ballsy: the defaults are at: http://mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-11.html#ss11.1

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xris:

I'm not going to add stuff like that for relatively ancient versions of apache. The comment *should* be enough. It's as clear as I could make it.

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quantum:

xris, sure it is clear in some sense, but it is clearer #whatever # version 2.2, or #whatever2 #version <2.2

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xris:

quantum: yes. but like I said, I'm not going to provide that much space for a relatively ancient version of apache. esp. since I'm dropping support for old stuff like php 4 in .22, anyway.

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quantum:

yeah that probably makes sense

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quantum:

well time to go bang my head against my pillow for a while

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quantum:

have a good night

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xris:

sleep well

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Ballsy:

alsoconfused, when running 'irw', if I hit the 'channel up' key on my remote, I see '00000000000017a0 00 Ch+ Hauppauge_350' ..... and in my ~/.mythtv/lircrc file I have a definition: prog=mythtv, button=Ch+, repeat=3, config=Up. Whatcha think about that ?

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Ballsy:

(and i doesn't change the channel when watching LiveTV if I use it)

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Ballsy:

s/i/it/g;

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Ballsy:

er, s/i/it/;

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alsoconfused:

Ballsy: it's all the same as what i have except i get 17e0 instead of 17a0

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alsoconfused:

Ballsy: is mythtv responding to anything on the remote?

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Ballsy:

alsoconfused, not a thing.

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alsoconfused:

try the ircat command i gave you and make sure that the lircrc file is in the correct directory

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Ballsy:

tried that.....it responds to a few buttons (the volume and channel buttons) and a few others, but not many...perhaps 6buttons total ?

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alsoconfused:

does irw respond to all buttons?

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Ballsy:

every single one yes. Even the red, green, yellw and blue buttons along the bottom of the remote

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Ballsy:

all withvariations of that 'blahblahblah something Hauppauge_350' outpt

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alsoconfused:

Ballsy: i'd say that the button names in /etc/lircd.conf don't match up with those in ~/.mythtv/lircrc

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alsoconfused:

Ballsy: put those two files on pastebin and i'll take a look

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Ballsy:

I think you're absolutely right. Gonna try changing one and see if it takes....if so, I should be off to the races.

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Ballsy:

if I make a change to my lircrc, what needs restarting ? lircd ?

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alsoconfused:

right

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alsoconfused:

no

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alsoconfused:

if you change lircd.conf, you need to restard lircd. changing lircrc only requires restarting irw,ircat, or mythtv

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Ballsy:

as in, restarting mythfrontend ?

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alsoconfused:

yes

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Ballsy:

hrmm

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Ballsy:

alsoconfused well, I think I get it now. I wasn't associating the 2 files right, but I think I get it now. I changed my Guide button, restarted mythfrontend and tested it out, and it worked! So, I'll do the same for the other buttons and that should be fine.

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Ballsy:

Nex will be the changing channel issue.....*ponder*

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alsoconfused:

Ballsy: if you have modified any of the mythkeys (settings->edit keys) then you'll need to make corresponding changes in lircrc

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Ballsy:

alsoconfused, I won't be touching my lircd.conf file at all....it's fine. Will need to update my lircrc though.

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alsoconfused:

sounds right, but i don't understand why the one i gave you doesn't work

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Ballsy:

me either.

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Ballsy:

At any rate, I'm gonna turn in. I really apprecate your help and patience!

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Ballsy:

this is one of those home projects I wanna get off my plate....will take 1 more night!

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Ballsy:

thanks again.

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cptpotato:

im running my mythtv under ubuntu 6.10, ubuntu's a gnome-specific os, and mythbrowser uses kde-libs. would this cause a problem by installing it on my system

[09:06:01]

Rince:

no

[09:06:13]

Rince:

ubuntu is a linux-os with a gnome desktop

[09:06:16]

Rince:

that's all

[09:06:18]

Rince:

it's still linux

[09:06:23]

cptpotato:

would it run slower since it'd have to load kde libraries?

[09:06:41]

Rince:

slower in comparison to what?

[09:07:04]

cptpotato:

is there any downfall to me installing mythbrowser, is my question.

[09:08:08]

Dagmar:

Ubuntu is a _distribution_, not an operating system.

[09:08:24]

cptpotato:

ok.. mythbrowser uses konqueror?

[09:08:31]

Dagmar:

Yep.

[09:08:40]

cptpotato:

is there a way to get it using firefox?

[09:08:50]

Dagmar:

Maybe.

[09:09:03]

Dagmar:

It depends on how many hours of coding you're willing to put into it.

[09:09:31]

cptpotato:

ha ok, answers my question fair enough

[09:09:49]

Rince:

cptpotato: as user, the answer is: no

[09:09:55]

Rince:

since it is integrated into the mythtv-framework

[09:10:28]

cptpotato:

there's no option??? mythvideo u have the option to use xine or mplayer, u cant set the command for the browser?

[09:10:30]

Rince:

my own opinion is that you won't read webpages on your tv-screen unless you have hdtv ;)

[09:11:21]

cptpotato:

make the font bigger? its an extra feature, why not?

[09:11:28]

Dagmar:

cptpotato: What did we *just* finish saying about it?

[09:11:29]

Rince:

cptpotato: but no, as far as I know there is no command for the browser

[09:11:34]

cptpotato:

youtube videos, etc.

[09:12:04]

Rince:

. o O (okay, I am old. I never use youtube.)

[09:12:29]

cptpotato:

http://www.tomshardware.com/2006/10/13/mythtv . . . s/page2.html scroll down to mythbrowser, says you can change the default

[09:12:44]

Rince:

then if you know the answer, why are you asking?

[09:15:15]

Rince:

then you can change the default, just put it on firefox and be happy

[09:16:24]

Dagmar:

Rince: I think the problem here that we're overlooking is that everything posted to the internet is 100% undeniably true.

[09:16:51]

Rince:

;-)

[09:17:08]

juski:

of course, you can always make a mythtv menu item that will launch firefox but that brings problems of its own

[09:17:18]

Rince:

of course it will

[09:17:25]

Rince:

as long as you don't have a keyboard connected to the mythtv-pc

[09:17:25]

cptpotato:

like what?

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juski:

like firefox doesn't support LIRC natively for starters

[09:18:01]

Dagmar:

Like Satanism.

[09:18:03]

cptpotato:

ah, well i use a keyboard

[09:18:27]

Dagmar:

It's terrible when you come home to find your MythTV box elbow-deep in mangled neighborhood pets.

[09:18:29]

cptpotato:

so that'll prob work best for me

[09:18:45]

juski:

anyway you'll soon find out why those set top box web browsers never took off

[09:19:09]

juski:

scroll

[09:19:11]

juski:

scroll

[09:19:14]

juski:

scroll

[09:19:15]

juski:

scroll

[09:19:18]

juski:

scroll

[09:19:23]

juski:

scroll

[09:19:26]

juski:

:)

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Rince:

*nod*

[09:19:48]

Rince:

but I found out that someone finally makes mediacenter-tvpcs with mythtv on it – that sounds good ;)

[09:20:01]

juski:

sounds can be deceptive

[09:20:47]

juski:

why pay somebody to install a suite of programs you're gonna have to learn how to install yourself eventually anyway?

[09:20:59]

Rince:

juski: I have my own tvpc (second generation since a year :)

[09:21:32]

Rince:

but if someone has a quiet/silent case for it which fits into the HiFi-Rack that's lovely

[09:21:33]

juski:

and some outfits selling mythtv pcs aren't exactly doing the community any favours

[09:21:44]

Rince:

juski: hmm, why not?

[09:22:25]

juski:

well, if they sell a machine preconfigured with any EPG data, they're encouraging the ire of the likes of zap2it

[09:22:51]

Rince:

okay, that wouldn't work for me anyway ;)

[09:22:57]

Rince:

since zap2it isn't working in germany

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juski:

so the end user would really have to configure the box themselves anyway, defeating the object of a ready-made box for the most part

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juski:

what IS a good idea though is selling hardware which is known to work well, in one lump

[09:24:11]

Rince:

*nod*

[09:24:33]

juski:

but most people should be capable of restricting themselves to that, IMHO

[09:24:48]

juski:

not the kind of folks who wander in here having bought 'a tv tuner'

[09:25:40]

Dagmar:

We need a budget to provide for free stabbings for those people.

[09:27:18]

juski:

knoppmyth, while a good idea in theory, makes folks bypass what is a very important stage of a myth installation.. verifying the hardware works in linux before even going near mythtv ;)

[09:28:15]

juski:

it's probably true to say yeah knoppmyth supports a lot of hardware out of the box, but there's some it doesn't – and you know which an end user invariably has when they come in here

[09:28:22]

juski:

</whine>

[09:28:38]

Dagmar:

Let's not forget the "reading the directions" step.

[09:29:23]

Rince:

*nod*

[09:29:33]

Rince:

. o O (there are directions? :)

[09:30:17]

juski:

just put the CD in & go! that's what they did on Systm!

[09:30:30]

juski:

it took them like less than 10 minutes!

[09:30:45]

Rince:

there is a reason why I first checked wether the ahrdware works before I build my tvpc ;)

[09:31:00]

juski:

funny though, they should've shown the passage of time via the presenters having less hair

[09:31:32]

juski:

or maybe they cheated to make 'good tv' ;)

[09:32:12]

juski:

I learned the hard way not to put an athlon XP 2000 in a silverstone LC02 case with a 'quiet' fan. oh boy

[09:32:22]

Rince:

doesn't work good?

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juski:

yeah it does, for a couple of hours. then the cpu gets to over 80'C and you have to shut it off for a couple of hours

[09:32:49]

** Rince has a Athlon 64 3500+ in a Shuttle xpc – works silent. **

[09:32:52]

Rince:

juski: bad...

[09:33:14]

juski:

from that I went to an epia M10k board & haven't looked back

[09:33:17]

Dagmar:

Damn 80C

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juski:

the LC02 has NO airflow to speak of, so isn't a wise choice for anything that will produce heat

[09:34:53]

juski:

see the problem I see with 99% of HTPC enclosures is that they're bigger than my receiver/amp

[09:35:23]

Rince:

I first and an epia mII – andn it was too slow in general

[09:35:24]

juski:

or they have no IR window at the front, or SPDIF connections at the front (FFS)

[09:35:38]

Rince:

even with a pvr350 I wasn't really able to convert recordings ro so

[09:36:02]

juski:

if you don't need to transcode anything, it's fine

[09:36:05]

Rince:

yes

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Rince:

that's right

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juski:

I mean you can't transcode recordings on a set top box!

[09:36:27]

Rince:

but since I wanted to transcode (cutting out advertisements and so on), and I wanted to play dvds, it was too slow

[09:36:45]

juski:

too slow to play DVDs? which distro were you running?

[09:37:34]

juski:

I've had mythtv running on one of these fellas – it was amazingly nippy – infact perfectly usable without any lag.. http://homepage.ntlworld.com/justin.hornsby2/s100/

[09:37:59]

Rince:

juski: debian at that time

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juski:

you prolly needed xvmc, I know mine does

[09:39:19]

Rince:

*nod*

[09:39:23]

Rince:

Hmm, I just get another idea..

[09:39:40]

Rince:

banning the current tvpc out of my living room and just put a (fanless) set-top-box on it

[09:40:09]

juski:

though slackware on the s100 meant it's puny 700Mhz celery CPU had enough grunt to play mpeg2 SDTV

[09:40:47]

juski:

and it was a blimmin small footprint.. about 256MB

[09:40:56]

juski:

not as small as minimyth I grant you

[09:41:05]

Dagmar:

Kill off the translation strings

[09:41:15]

Rince:

;)

[09:41:16]

Dagmar:

...and dump all the static libraries

[09:41:24]

Dagmar:

...and then delete /usr/share/doc

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juski:

heh

[09:41:37]

Dagmar:

You should be able to get Slack down to 80–100Mb without trying very hard.

[09:41:53]

juski:

I managed to pare gentoo down to about 500MB before I broke it

[09:42:05]

juski:

that was about the limit though I think

[09:42:14]

Dagmar:

It's all the omgoptimizations.

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ilan:

hi, is there a frontend for windows?

[09:44:22]

ilan:

ah winmyth

[09:44:25]

** ilan looks **

[09:44:29]

juski:

no

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juski:

winmyth doesn't work

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juski:

hasn't worked for a very long time

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ilan:

ah ok

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Ruleke:

greetings

[09:45:01]

juski:

and even when it DID work it wasn't so much a mythtv frontend as some shitty looking VB app

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ilan:

heh

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juski:

speaking of VB looking apps, there's Tapeworm

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juski:

no livetv with that though

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ilan:

figured id give some of my family members access to my recordinds via the network

[09:45:56]

ilan:

nah, i just wanted to give them access to the recordings.

[09:46:25]

ilan:

thanks, ill check it out

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juski:

but yesterday I found out that Nero ShowTime works with mythtv's UPnP ! It's pretty sweet for a windows app

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juski:

ah bollocks

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juski:

now where in the world is my 1GB USB stick?

[09:51:16]

Ruleke:

at least you narrowed it down to this planet :)

[09:51:49]

juski:

it never used to be this easy to lose 1GB

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juski:

oo found it

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juski:

was where I dumped everything I took to the expo

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Ruleke:

[mpegts @ 0xb75e5bb0]Parser not found for Codec Id: 94211 ! ... hmmm

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juski:

heheh slack has _elm_

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juski:

god that takes me back

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Ruleke:

elm is great :)

[10:05:59]

juski:

elm & vi for email. oh man

[10:06:08]

juski:

takes me right back to 1992

[10:07:12]

Ruleke:

use it all the time

[10:07:16]

Ruleke:

not on linux though :)

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juski:

heh no

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juski:

what?! no 2.6 kernel? ffs

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jblack:

Does anyone know of myth friendly ip tv service in the US?

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Dagmar:

Elm is for people who can't figure out how to compile Pine. ;)

[10:36:04]

Ruleke:

or don't want to run that type of stuff on HPUX production :P

[10:36:13]

Ruleke:

besides I'd compile mutt

[10:39:23]

juski:

back to looking at minimyth

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juski:

2006-12–19 10:39:54.318 NVP: prebuffering pause

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juski:

2006-12–19 10:39:54.319 WriteAudio: buffer underrun

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Ruleke:

aww

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Ruleke:

HD ?

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juski:

nope

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Ruleke:

strange

[10:41:12]

Ruleke:

running an epia frontend here

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juski:

the previous version played back mpeg2 SDTV just fine

[10:41:24]

Ruleke:

yep

[10:41:26]

juski:

however this particular incarnation cannot

[10:41:37]

Ruleke:

you mean minimyth version ?

[10:41:44]

juski:

yeah

[10:41:54]

Ruleke:

bah I don't trust those things, build my own

[10:41:59]

juski:

same version of mythtv on ubuntu doesn't do that

[10:42:46]

juski:

2006-12–19 10:43:02.190 NVP: Video is 3.19622 frames ahead of audio, doubling video frame interval to slow down.

[10:43:08]

Ruleke:

yeah it's why I always build my own distro

[10:43:09]

juski:

pity this thing doesn't have any network stat utils

[10:43:17]

juski:

what with? lfs?

[10:43:17]

Ruleke:

contemplating to do the diskless thing though

[10:43:21]

Ruleke:

nah debian

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juski:

if I don't deinterlace, all is well but it looks awful

[10:43:54]

Ruleke:

hmm

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Ruleke:

you have a progressive scan display ?

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Dagmar:

It's very progressive. They've had meetings and sensitivity classes and everything.

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juski:

all tv outputs are progressive on via boxes

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juski:

and most nvidia boxes, most ati boxes

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Ruleke:

hmm fair point

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Ruleke:

never noticed it, thought the video encoder handled it

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juski:

shit there's no x stats tool either

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Dagmar:

I thought the S-Video output on my nVidia card was interlaced

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juski:

some tv encoders can successfully do away with the need to deinterlace

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juski:

the default flicker filter settings sometimes see to it

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Ruleke:

seems ok if I run my X at 720x576 with tv-out only and svhs, ah well

[10:46:32]

Ruleke:

ah yes

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Ruleke:

I had some talk with the via X driver guy

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juski:

hmm it's not the refresh rate

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Ruleke:

somethign about the overscan messing it up

[10:47:16]

juski:

720x576Noscale works perfectly here :)

[10:47:19]

Ruleke:

yep

[10:47:32]

Ruleke:

he just got some specs on it

[10:47:40]

Ruleke:

months ago that I mailed with him though

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juski:

I wonder if using the xorg.conf from the ubuntu install will help

[10:48:17]

Ruleke:

luc verhaegen is the guy

[10:48:21]

Ruleke:

lemme dig up the mail

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juski:

if it's not something daft like that it's bound to be a driver issue

[10:48:26]

juski:

I suspect alsa

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Dagmar:

NOW I see what we're doing wrong in Baghdad

[10:48:59]

Dagmar:

We need to shut these places down: http://www.engrish.com/image/engrish/bomb-car-rent.jpg

[10:49:10]

Dagmar:

Deposits must be a bitch there

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juski:

sheesh!!!

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Ruleke:

you need >6.8.2 xorg

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juski:

why?

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Ruleke:

because he was tardy in merging, it froze before he could commit the vt1622 parts he wanted

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juski:

it's on version 7.0.0

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Ruleke:

I think debian merged some unichrome stuff with 6.8.2, being a bit better, but I had issues with it and that's what he told me

[10:51:52]

Ruleke:

okido

[10:52:27]

Ruleke:

not followed any of the devel stuff on it since then, tbh

[10:52:48]

Ruleke:

so not sure if he got the time to look at the specs

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juski:

thing is it works fine on 6.8 or whatever breezy uses

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juski:

and other minimyth users aren't complaining of the same issue

[10:54:01]

juski:

even a clip of the same recordings which cause problems works fine on other folks' boxes

[10:56:04]

Ruleke:

bah

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Ruleke:

with overscan too ?

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juski:

same xorg.conf as ubuntu, same problem

[10:56:22]

juski:

yeah

[10:56:45]

juski:

the bottom of the bbc news24 ticker lines up exactly with the bezel on my tv :)

[10:57:49]

Ruleke:

ic

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Ruleke:

well the noscale is definately cleaner :P

[10:58:42]

juski:

I wonder if the problem is the backend

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juski:

ooo even xine is a bit laggy

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Ruleke:

xvmc ?

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juski:

and all the commands I'd normally be able to use to spec thruput aren't available

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t00m:

gday

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juski:

I think this is prolly more a network issue

[11:10:30]

juski:

gday t00m

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t00m:

I'm desperately trying to fix my daylightsaving issue

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juski:

you must be desperate, coming here ;)

[11:11:20]

t00m:

I got the time right but even after rebooting, mythweb still thinks it's at wintertime

[11:11:33]

Ruleke:

erm...

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Ruleke:

how does it "think" that ?

[11:12:24]

t00m:

it says MythWeb: Tue Dec 19, 2006, 07:12 PM in the top right corner

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t00m:

but it's 8:12pm

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Ruleke:

ah

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Ruleke:

and what's the `date` ?

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stuarta:

morning all

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t00m:

Tue Dec 19 20:13:43 WST 2006

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stuarta:

aka perth time

[11:14:34]

t00m:

I set TimeOffset in the settings table to 'auto'

[11:15:07]

t00m:

which seems to work for other people

[11:15:40]

t00m:

the backend seems to use the correct time

[11:15:54]

juski:

morning stuarta

[11:16:16]

juski:

I back to playing with minimyth today

[11:16:19]

t00m:

at least the backend.log has the correct time. but that may just be due to syslog. not sure how it's logging

[11:16:44]

juski:

even xine isn't playing the dodgy recordings right, so it's not a mythtv issue :)

[11:16:47]

** stuarta aspires to be on holidays **

[11:17:33]

t00m:

any suggestions?

[11:17:37]

juski:

currently manually timing a huge file copy

[11:18:03]

Dagmar:

t00m: Make sure TZ (or preferably /etc/localtime) is set correctly before you start the frontend

[11:19:20]

t00m:

lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 35 Nov 12 2005 /etc/localtime -> /usr/share/zoneinfo/Australia/Perth

[11:19:25]

t00m:

that looks right

[11:19:58]

stuarta:

yup

[11:21:16]

juski:

9.3MB/sec is my network speed for the file copy

[11:21:27]

juski:

wonder if it's got anything to do with block sizes & stuff

[11:21:29]

Ruleke:

using ...

[11:21:32]

Ruleke:

nfs ?

[11:21:35]

juski:

yeah

[11:21:42]

stuarta:

that looks right

[11:21:43]

Ruleke:

seems ok

[11:21:45]

juski:

wouldn't get that with samba.. god no

[11:21:48]

Ruleke:

:)

[11:21:56]

Dagmar:

I get that with Samba

[11:22:13]

juski:

problem is, whether I mount the recording share on the frontend or not, playback is still iffy

[11:24:27]

t00m:

anything else coming to your minds?

[11:24:39]

Dagmar:

Stop using Gentoo.

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t00m:

that's a hard one

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stuarta:

what's the actual problem?

[11:25:18]

t00m:

what do you recommend?

[11:25:30]

t00m:

that mythweb (including the tv guide) are off by 1 hour

[11:26:00]

stuarta:

assume you've tried cleaning out mythweb and using a fresh checkout?

[11:26:29]

t00m:

hang on

[11:27:04]

t00m:

no

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t00m:

I'm doing it now

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juski:

now to try mplayer dammit

[11:34:07]

juski:

jesus

[11:34:17]

juski:

mplayer is using less than 10% cpu

[11:34:28]

Dagmar:

Naturally

[11:34:40]

adante:

hi, does anybody know why my backend keeps spontaneously dieing: http://rafb.net/paste/results/1lfvwV13.html

[11:35:21]

Dagmar:

adante: 2006-12–19 13:13:24.477 myth_system(): Error, fork() failed because Cannot allocate memory

[11:35:25]

Dagmar:

Kind of a big hint there

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juski:

6.7% CPU playing the same file myth has problems with

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juski:

ffs

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adante:

ah yers.. thanks Dagmar

[11:36:46]

t00m:

MythWeb: Tue Dec 19, 2006, 07:36 PM

[11:36:55]

adante:

so i guess my second question.. olde mythbackend svn seems to be leaking memory.. anybody else experiencing this?

[11:37:26]

juski:

mplayer is just fine! dammit

[11:37:33]

Dagmar:

Darn those mplayer devs

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** juski proposes starting a development fund to pay devs to fix mythtv playback & get its cpu usage back to where it used to be **

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juski:

;)

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stuarta:

i'd like to find time to sit down and fix the playback issue i found

[11:43:07]

stuarta:

which affects those with borderline cpu for the content being watched

[11:44:16]

juski:

with 6% cpu usage when mplayer is playing the file with bobdeint, I don't think my issue is not having enough CPU somehow

[11:44:39]

stuarta:

no, think not

[11:44:56]

juski:

cpu usage with myth IS higher though.. nearer 50% for the same content

[11:45:20]

juski:

and it won't even play at full framerate without xvmc!

[11:45:24]

stuarta:

wonder wtf it's doing...

[11:45:37]

stuarta:

bored enough to do some profiling?

[11:45:48]

juski:

could be, but I dunno what minimyth has for that

[11:46:11]

stuarta:

ugh. see the same issue on the main system?

[11:46:20]

juski:

nope

[11:46:30]

juski:

though that has more than enough cpu

[11:46:50]

stuarta:

wonder if minimyth has missed MMX optimizations...

[11:47:32]

juski:

unlikely, considering the amount of users with tiny systems like mine

[11:47:37]

juski:

worth looking into though

[11:48:02]

Ruleke:

I confess I even user enable-proc-opt on my via

[11:48:16]

Ruleke:

not sure what the impact for that is, probably ~0

[11:48:34]

Dagmar:

It lets gcc worry about it, mainly

[11:48:35]

juski:

so how do I find out?

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Ruleke:

s/user/used

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juski:

on my athlon 2000XP, mythfrontend is using 24% CPU with the same file

[11:51:36]

stuarta:

i'd see if it's possible to run oprofile on that machine.

[11:53:17]

juski:

installing it now

[11:53:36]

stuarta:

i'll just find the instructions....

[11:53:40]

juski:

or did you mean minimyth?

[11:54:15]

stuarta:

http://www.cuymedia.com/doxygen-dev-docs/html . . . _mythtv.html

[11:55:09]

juski:

ah fack. I didn't compile it with the right options

[11:55:27]

stuarta:

i'd try anyway, then if the info is crap do a rebuild

[11:55:28]

juski:

and the binaries are in a fair old state – libs all over the shop

[11:55:32]

Ruleke:

:)

[11:56:04]

t00m:

o dear

[11:56:10]

t00m:

it's a php issue

[11:56:31]

stuarta:

how did you come to this conclusion?

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t00m:

<?php echo strftime('%F %k:%M', time()) ?>

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t00m:

prints out 2006-12–19 19:55

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qu0zl:

stftime uses the system locale settings

[11:58:12]

qu0zl:

so that wouldn't really make it a php issue

[11:58:29]

Dagmar:

Like I said earlier, the problem is Gentoo

[11:58:47]

stuarta:

have they got broken locales installed?

[11:59:07]

Dagmar:

That depends on how you look at it.

[11:59:57]

Dagmar:

If you consider that Gentoo allows people who have no clue to get in there and brutally stab at the soft underbelly of all their packages...

[12:01:59]

qu0zl:

that has it's flipside Dag, it can speed up the learning process

[12:02:18]

qu0zl:

with the added pain as motivation :)

[12:02:37]

juski:

samples % symbol name

[12:02:38]

juski:

83 100.000 (no symbols)

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juski:

bah

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Dagmar:

Dunno, man.

[12:04:20]

Dagmar:

Most of the time all it seem to do is hone newbie whining skills because they typically require someone to show them how to unbreak what they broke in order to disprove the "OMG Gentoo is TEH BEST OS"

[12:04:46]

Ruleke:

hehe

[12:05:01]

Ruleke:

I don't dislike gentoo, I just dislike gentoo users ;)

[12:05:12]

Ruleke:

just to generalize a bit

[12:05:23]

t00m:

great..

[12:05:33]

Dagmar:

t00m seems to actually be following up on his own problem, so he may be about to show the exception to the rule

[12:05:44]

t00m:

thanks

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t00m:

I'm willing to learn :)

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stuarta:

juski: looks like a recompile :(

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Ruleke:

yeah hence the generalization remark :)

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juski:

bugger. I'll have to fix my install then

[12:07:10]

juski:

somehow got 2 different versions on there :(

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stuarta:

that's not going to help

[12:07:38]

juski:

but the versions I run are the same (BE & FE)

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juski:

what I mean is I need to clean up

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Dagmar:

t00m: When you showed /etc/localtime as pointing to the right thing, and date working correctly, that pretty much narrowed it down to something internal to PHP

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t00m:

Dagmar: I've been reading the php.ini which seems to have a variable..

[12:11:02]

t00m:

date.timezone

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t00m:

i'm just trying to figure out if that's the way to go and what to set it to

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Dagmar:

If it has an option to *not* set it and instead to let glibc handle the timezone stuff, go that route

[12:12:31]

t00m:

it wasn't set

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alsoconfused:

t00m: are the timestamps in the apache logfile correct?

[12:13:07]

t00m:

apache.. hang on

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t00m:

yes

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juski:

only happens when I deinterlace

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alsoconfused:

bizarre

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juski:

realtime priority makes it worse

[12:16:17]

t00m:

do I have to restart apache after changing php.ini?

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stuarta:

can't hurt

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Dagmar:

1. Depends on whether or not you're using mod_php, and 2. it takes less time to just restart it than to ask about it

[12:17:41]

Ruleke:

he wants to learn remember

[12:17:53]

Ruleke:

don't stifle the one gentoo user that does ;)

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t00m:

I did restart it but it didn't change

[12:18:02]

t00m:

i'm just running php -r from the commandline

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Ruleke:

hehe I kid, btw, in case there are other gentoo users here ;)

[12:18:13]

Dagmar:

Triage is an important skill, actually

[12:18:26]

stuarta:

check you don't have multiple php.ini (apache often has it's own)

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juski:

is there any way to find out what options were built into mythfrontend then?

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stuarta:

mythfrontend --version

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juski:

Options compiled in: linux release using_lmsensors using_alsa using_lirc using_x11 using_xv using_xrandr using_xvmc using_xvmc_vld using_opengl_vsync using_opengl using_frontend using_backend

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juski:

all pretty normal AFAICT

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Dagmar:

Except for the evil using_xvmc_vld

[12:28:14]

Dagmar:

...but that might not be so evil on your EPIA box.

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juski:

heheh

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Dagmar:

It certainly breaks the hell out of my builds

[12:33:07]

t00m:

well. one cheat is setting the date.timezone = Japan

[12:33:52]

t00m:

that's the easy fix they came up with for macs, too

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alsoconfused:

t00m: what is the hwclock set to?

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stuarta:

that's what we call a "HACK"

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t00m:

:)

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stuarta:

doesn't even qualify as a "workaround"

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Dagmar:

kludge!

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stuarta:

!trout php timezone

[12:34:53]

** MythLogBot slaps php with a timezone trout on behalf of stuarta... **

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t00m:

can I read the hwclock without rebooting?

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Ruleke:

hwclock

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Dagmar:

yes

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stuarta:

yes. hwclock

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Dagmar:

heh

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Dagmar:

Your hwclock should be set to UTC.

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t00m:

i agree

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t00m:

but it isn't :/

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Ruleke:

almost always

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Dagmar:

You should fix that

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Dagmar:

Only DOS weenies set their hardware clock in localtime

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Ruleke:

hardware event logger and dualboot being exceptions

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alsoconfused:

check /etc/sysconfig/clock or equivalent for your distro

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t00m:

i think, it's /etc/something/clock

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t00m:

conf.d

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t00m:

damnit

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t00m:

ok, now set the hwclock

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Dibblah:

Hmmm... Wasn't someone working on a "channel mapping" kinda thing?

[12:38:51]

Ruleke:

what's channel mapping

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Dibblah:

106 = Sky One = one.sky.co.uk sorta thing.

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Dibblah:

For initial channel setup.

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Ruleke:

I still don't get it ... :(

[12:40:11]

Dibblah:

Setting XMLTVIDs automatically. Channel numbers too.

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Ruleke:

ah

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juski:

I was

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t00m:

ok, all fine

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Dibblah:

I have... Something. It's UK only and Sky based.

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juski:

someone else started one too

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Dibblah:

DVB-s which isn't too useful for anyone else.

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juski:

then I decided mine is ok, so fuck it :)

[12:41:30]

juski:

actually no, then an expo took over, then a theme or 2, then my frontend broke

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Dibblah:

Current way I've been attempting is parsing skyuk.html and skyuk_chnno.html from Lyngsat.

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Dibblah:

That gets you a mapping from SID + mplexid to channel number, which gets set in the database.

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juski:

I was kinda planning to have a wizard driven config util

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Dibblah:

Then, parsing the RT site to get the channel numbers.

[12:43:20]

Dibblah:

And map them to the RT channel ID.

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Ruleke:

I don't really see a point to changing the channum...

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juski:

enter postcode, tv provider, package name...

[12:43:34]

juski:

much better idea :)

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juski:

I got bored with it very quickly though

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Dibblah:

Ruleke: You try entering the channel number and xmltvids of 200+ channels.

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Dagmar:

You doin' anything else important right now?

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Dibblah:

juski: It's still a problem for me, since I'm not just relying on channum.

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juski:

do it once, back it up

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Dagmar:

Do about 10 of them a day

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Dibblah:

... Scream when Sky moves channels between mplexes again.

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juski:

Dibblah: what you're doing isn't stricly possible, legally

[12:45:48]

Dibblah:

I don't know what you mean... I'm just using it to get a mapping between the channel names and numbers ;)

[12:46:17]

juski:

no I mean getting myth to work with $ky directly.. $ky don't like the Dragon CAM or whatever it is

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Dibblah:

Yes, I know there is no support.

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clop:

hi, is there a way to tell the integrated movie player to scale the image to the full size of the screen?

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Dibblah:

Damn Murdoch :(

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Dagmar:

clop: Yes. Leave it at default settings.

[12:47:47]

clop:

i have a wide tv and it just displays in a box with borders on the side instead of stretching

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Dagmar:

So you're saying you *want* a distorted image then?

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juski:

press W

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juski:

until you get the stretchyvision you seek

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clop:

aah thanks

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Dagmar:

w = wreck aspect ratio

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clop:

is there a command i can bind in the remote?

[12:48:52]

clop:

ok great, i can look for that :)

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Dagmar:

Bind a button to w

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juski:

I have to use that to get 'this life' to look right

[12:50:46]

juski:

amazing for the bbc to get it so wrong

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juski:

stuarta: reckon this has any bearing? Video timing method: DRM

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juski:

I think that if it's getting the timing all screwed up it's bound to think it's all over the place

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stuarta:

maybe, easy to change

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juski:

yeha? how?

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juski:

and wth is this 'warpfactor' in the settings table?

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stuarta:

warpfactor is in the settings table?

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juski:

yeah

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juski:

WarpFactor, actually

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Dagmar:

it's how fast you go

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juski:

WarpFactor | 996306598 | minimyth1

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stuarta:

that's a bit nuts

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Dagmar:

Nice. Just a little shy of C.

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stuarta:

juski: that from your settings table?

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juski:

yep

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stuarta:

i don't have one of those

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alsoconfused:

it's some type of sync correction factor in parts-per-billion

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Dagmar:

French drain?

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alsoconfused:

Freedom drain?

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juski:

dunno if this is anything to go by but when I select the 2nd audio track the problem goes away

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stuarta:

hmmmm...

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juski:

I need food

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juski:

4GB USB pendrives now under Â£30 exc vat!

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stuarta:

nice

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juski:

you know I might just hang fire trying to solve these playback snafus, give up the nicotine & buy a mac mini anyway

[14:01:00]

juski:

so long as I don't need to buy a hdtv to go with it :)

[14:01:27]

juski:

Â£5 a dayy for 365 days a year... adds up quick

[14:01:51]

juski:

and it's a gift to myself worth putting up with cravings for

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juski:

yeh mythtv works on 2nd rate hardware but... ;)

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juski:

hmm going back to the problemsome recording on the ubuntu install (on the epia), cpu usage is some 20% lower

[14:13:16]

juski:

and this is just a binary package on here, no special optimisations. wonder if the compiler that made minimyth is screwed

[14:13:25]

stuarta:

quite possible

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seth|laptop:

anyone here do any commercial cutting on SD stuff

[14:21:06]

seth|laptop:

?

[14:22:36]

stuarta:

yup

[14:25:13]

seth|laptop:

how much space does that remove from the recording? usually

[14:25:44]

stuarta:

depends on a lot of factors.

[14:25:47]

seth|laptop:

my average recording is 1 hr long and there are usually liked 5 to 7 breaks caught

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seth|laptop:

and 2.1gb

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fryfrog:

in the US, a "1 hr" show is usually 40–45min long

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fryfrog:

so it could save you 25% in some cases

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stuarta:

2G -> 1.6/1.7, 4G+ ->2.5Gb or so

[14:26:45]

fryfrog:

I only bother with my HD shows that I'm gonna save

[14:26:49]

stuarta:

though i do all cutting by hand

[14:26:58]

fryfrog:

the HD goes from like 7G -> 4G

[14:27:27]

fryfrog:

I tweak the cut list, I spose that counts as a cross between by hand and using commflag

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stuarta:

yeah well the commflags here are usually useless so i just start again

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eps:

what signal percentage do I need to gte a llock on a channel?

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eps:

I'm easily getting all the stations showing up but non lock

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fryfrog:

eps: if it doesn't get a lock, there is probably nothing there

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eps:

fryfrog the spikes (50%>) are where the digital signals should be

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seth|laptop:

well I am getting a creative zen vision:m for christmas, and I was hoping to decrease ther size of the recordings for transfer onto the ZVM, but I haven't really tried it, was going to start this week, in preperation for the transfer

[14:30:29]

eps:

for the tower that I can see out my window :P

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seth|laptop:

the NBC HD tower is down the street from my house, I don't even need an antenna to recieve it :-)

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fryfrog:

seth|laptop: sounds like you could use a combination of cutting commercials (by hand, else you'll miss parts of shows) and an auto-transcode option

[14:31:21]

fryfrog:

eps: oh, sorry you aren't using QAM? I must have had you confused with someone else

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fryfrog:

er, not option... job

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eps:

qam?

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eps:

no :|

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fryfrog:

cable

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eps:

oh yeah over the air

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fryfrog:

i don't have any experience with OTA :(

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** eps unplugs his antenna cable **

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seth|laptop:

fryfrog: right I intend to edit, in case something was missed, I was just curious as to the size decrease. I mean really soon I'll know first hand, but I just wondered if any one had any expereince :-)

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fryfrog:

seth|laptop: you in the US?

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eps:

I'm in a unit complex though we have a new antenna ... I'm thinking the group splitting box could be killing it

[14:32:10]

seth|laptop:

yes

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seth|laptop:

PA

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seth|laptop:

Pennsylvania

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fryfrog:

then you can probably count on almost 25% reduction :)

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seth|laptop:

cool

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seth|laptop:

the thing I am geting only has a 30G hd in it, but it does video great

[14:33:07]

fryfrog:

better than video ipod?

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seth|laptop:

yes, and more formats

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fryfrog:

i always wished apple had made that video ipod that people were passing pictures around of

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seth|laptop:

this thing will do just about all formats, no conversion needed

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fryfrog:

the screen was the *full* front and the controls were just pictures shown when needed

[14:33:50]

fryfrog:

actually, i wouldn't care if someone else made it too

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fryfrog:

just not MS :p

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seth|laptop:

when I went to best buy to check it out, the guy had used software to rip a dvd of Pirates-Dead Mans Chest, and it looked fantastic

[14:34:25]

fryfrog:

spiffy

[14:34:37]

fryfrog:

is it cheaper that an ipod?

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seth|laptop:

yes, $199

[14:34:54]

fryfrog:

and is the ui any good?

[14:34:54]

seth|laptop:

excellent

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fryfrog:

neat

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seth|laptop:

http://www.creative.com/products/mp3/zenvisionm/

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fryfrog:

spiffy

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seth|laptop:

it even has the jacks to output to TV, only 4:3, but that is all I have anyways :-(

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** seth|laptop is excited **

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juski:

right time to get my teeth into this fucking stupid alsa issue again

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fryfrog:

alsa is such a hooker

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seth|laptop:

ack, nvidia audio and spidf out, many headaches I had with that, now its easy

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juski:

my spdif only works once in a blue moon except when I output everything to spdif on its own :)

[14:42:33]

juski:

for the WAF I need normal audio to come out of _both_ analogue & digital

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fryfrog:

juski: do you have one of those harmony remotes?

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juski:

wouldn't be seen dead with one

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fryfrog:

your woman would love it

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juski:

why? does it vibrate?

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** seth|laptop loves his harmony remote, wife loves it too **

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fryfrog:

press "watch tv" and it sets everything up. if you adjust the volume, it'll do the reciever (or what ever you want)

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seth|laptop:

hehe

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juski:

I don't care. they're ugly

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juski:

the current remote has 'too many buttons' as it is

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seth|laptop:

my 880 is pretty sexy]

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fryfrog:

yeah, i didn't like most of theirs

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juski:

I think her idea is that there should be one button. you press it & it reads your mind

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fryfrog:

the one i got looks a lot like a tivo remote

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juski:

the only one I've ever seen had millions of buttons

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juski:

and what's with the display on it?

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juski:

anyway I've seen their config util and it's enough to put me off

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fryfrog:

The display can be used for commands that aren't on the remote

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BULLE:

juski: windows only ?

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seth|laptop:

taht is what the wife like about ours, I have it set up (and that was a PITA at first) and she presses the button for watch mythtv, and then the screen on the remote loads all the functions, watch recordings, watch dvd, etc, and I have jump points set up in mmyth, made it really easy for her

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juski:

BULLE: yeah and besides that it sucks

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BULLE:

juski: well, its pretty darn expensive to have to buy windows, just to program the remote

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fryfrog:

its a bit retarded, but it is *far* better than having to setup keys *using* the remote

[14:46:41]

juski:

who has to do that though?

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fryfrog:

and they have *TONS* of hardware in their database

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juski:

I don't care!

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juski:

I want alsa to work properly ffs

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fryfrog:

good luck, is alsa on freenode?

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** BULLE wants lirc to work properly ffs **

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fryfrog:

yup :)

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juski:

maybe I should add a 'beeper' to the alsa-utils init script. I'm not sure it's running every time

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fryfrog:

"unprofessional, unofficial support" :0

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juski:

cos it seems as though if the box starts with normal audio but nothing from spdif, a restart of the init script fixes it

[14:50:17]

juski:

this might be easy to fix

[14:50:29]

juski:

just never had the time or right frame of mind to see to it

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seth|laptop:

my alsa spidf is really goofy, you have to put the IEC958 volume all the way to "0" to make the spidf come on, very wonky

[14:50:59]

juski:

anyway I don't expect the folks in #alsa to be much use. they told be the mode which _works_ doesn't work

[14:51:12]

juski:

seth|laptop: it's a source selector, not a volume control ;)

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fryfrog:

usually those are only on/off, not volume sliders though

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juski:

'0' normally selects the PCM output to go to spdif

[14:52:05]

juski:

dunno what the other 3 possibilities are though

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seth|laptop:

juski: on mine there is a place to enable it, and then to the right of it is a volume control, on initial compile, it sets it to 100%, in order for it to work, it has to be changed to 0%

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fryfrog:

can most spdif ports be in & out? or are they fixed?

[14:52:43]

fryfrog:

er, in *or* out i guess

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fryfrog:

since they can't do both at once

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juski:

there are in _and_ out ports

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juski:

out can't do in

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fryfrog:

ah, but if you have only one port they generally can't swap?

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juski:

I'd assume as much, yeah

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fryfrog:

like the analog ports on most X channel motherboards?

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eps:

mythweather is missing toowoomba, australia from it's location list while weather.com has toowoomba listed

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juski:

I wouldn't expect them to be able to swap around, but it's possible of course

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eps:

mmm I stand corrected

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juski:

hm this is weird. rebooted a lot of times, even from 'cold' & it's still fine

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juski:

wonder if it's the powerbutton shutdown thingy

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rukuartic:

Arggh... I can't compile mythplugins to save my life. I'm getting compiler errors... is there a specific version I'm supposed to be using?

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GreyFoxx:

same version you compiled of mythtv

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seth|laptop:

questio

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juski:

oh bloody hell I forgot my cable STB has USB.. why don't NTL do something with it? I'd love to be able to capture my paid-for cable digitally :)

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seth|laptop:

rukuartic: question, did you do a make install on mythtv before you started to compile mythplugins?

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GreyFoxx:

juski: I think they use that for firmware updates don't they ?

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rukuartic:

seth|laptop: Hur... I apt-getted it. That'd be a problem eh?

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seth|laptop:

ack, binary

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juski:

GreyFoxx: they force STBs to upgrade with a broadcast message on their network

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GreyFoxx:

rukuartic: USually yes

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** rukuartic starts compiling myth then. **

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GreyFoxx:

juski: Certainly, but someone had told me that it was used for updates as well

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juski:

prolly is

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stuarta:

GreyFoxx: might be a "service port"

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juski:

but then, they could no doubt do some streaming voodoo since all their boxen have LAN ports too ;)

[15:08:12]

juski:

nah the service port is a seperate thing

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juski:

that's prolly JTAG

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GreyFoxx:

I'm sure it's capable of a lot of cool things they would never let consumers do :(

[15:08:26]

GreyFoxx:

most hardware is

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stuarta:

remote control interface maybe?

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GreyFoxx:

could be

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GreyFoxx:

I

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GreyFoxx:

've seen many STB's with special remote interfaces for tivos and such

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juski:

it has IR blaster sockets too but they've been crippled

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** GreyFoxx ponders joining the upnp forumn **

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rukuartic:

any clue what this line would be in ./configure? I keep getting it.

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rukuartic:

cat: /etc/ld.so.conf.d/*.conf: No such file or directory

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stuarta:

someone needs to wrap that in a /dev/null redirect...

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rukuartic:

Ah :3

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fryfrog:

i get those too

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fryfrog:

but ifigured they were tnohing :)

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rukuartic:

I don't like getting error messages... :P

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** seth|laptop goes blind from seeing Micro$oft so mant times **

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Jaak_:

is there a smaller linux frontend?

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GreyFoxx:

I believe they came out with it seth

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GreyFoxx:

Jaak_: Low on disk space or something ?

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Jaak_:

one that isn't necesary fullscreen

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Scopeuk:

light weight front end?

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GreyFoxx:

jaac: You can run mythfrontend in a window

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Jaak_:

no just less heavy

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Jaak_:

a plug in for totem something?

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Bernardo:

hi

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rukuartic:

Would the dev team be interested in seeing compiler warnings?

[15:29:53]

Bernardo:

I have the possibility of buying a technotrend C2300 or a visiontv mini cab, anyone can recommend me which to buy? Both have "partial" support in linuxtv wiki

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GreyFoxx:

rukuartic: Generally only if they cause a problem

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GreyFoxx:

ie, failure to run, crash or failure to compile

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rukuartic:

Ah. Which dev library is -lXv?

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fryfrog:

Xv

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Bernardo:

libXv.so

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Jaak_:

no?

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fryfrog:

NO!

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fryfrog:

oh

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fryfrog:

well, if your frontend is recording mpeg files...

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fryfrog:

you could get by with any mpeg player and perhaps the "mythrename.pl --link" script

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Scopeuk:

Jaak_ if you record ot mpeg 2 you could playthe files backwith vlc or the like

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fryfrog:

er, s/frontend/backend

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Jaak_:

Scopeuk, also live tv?

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Jaak_:

just looking for frontend, kindoff tvtime

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Jaak_:

nothing fancy

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fryfrog:

no, yo uwon't get live tv that way

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Scopeuk:

jack what parts of mydo you actally use

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fryfrog:

why not just use tvtime or xawtv then?

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Scopeuk:

maby one of the other packages would bemore suited to your usage

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Jaak_:

cause i have a diffrent front and backend

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Bernardo:

ok, what dvb-c cards you guys use?

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juski:

I don't

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Bernardo:

:)

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Bernardo:

fair enough

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sandeen_:

anyone have RT threads working with SUID binaries?

[15:45:57]

sandeen_:

I can only make it work if I'm actually running myth as root

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GreyFoxx:

Jaak_: Why not just use mythfrontend ?

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rukuartic:

GreyFoxx: found one of those problems >>; is this a common problem?

[15:49:01]

rukuartic:

http://pastebin.ca/285046

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GreyFoxx:

Certainly not common, I'

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GreyFoxx:

ve never seen that particular one before

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rukuartic:

Check line 6... is that a dev package I haven't installed or something?

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visit0r:

sandeen_: yep, same problem, I got it working nicely only with passwordless sudo

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frink_:

hey all

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GreyFoxx:

rukuartic: At a guess it doesn't look like you have the full freetype2 libraries and all install

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quicksilver:

sandeen_: RT might check the real UID not the effective

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rukuartic:

Lemme check that

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sandeen_:

visit0r, thanks wanted to make sure I wasn't insane, I found where in the code it's failing, I'll see what I can sort out

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quicksilver:

it wouldn't surprise me

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sandeen_:

quicksilver, well it doesn't explicitly check it

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** GreyFoxx goes to grab some food **

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rukuartic:

Nope I've got those installed...

[15:54:18]

mtnbkr:

can someone help me with this: http://mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/2006 . . . /161370.html It is random, but reproducible... Is there some extra debugging that I can enable at compile time? It is happening now. and I would LOVE to talk to someone about it. :)

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sandeen_:

quicksilver, it tries pthread_setschedparam() and if it fails assumes that you're not suid root...

[15:54:53]

quicksilver:

hmm

[15:55:01]

sandeen_:

i'll have to see how it's actually failing

[15:55:10]

quicksilver:

well maybe pthreads is checking real rather than effective?

[15:55:51]

sandeen_:

*shrug* not sure. it'd be nice if the error message printed out the actual error rather than jumping to the most likely conclusion :)

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** quicksilver nods **

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sandeen_:

other oddness I'm getting is the chromakey hack not working w/ fx5200 and xvmc

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sandeen_:

"We can't use ChromaKey OSD if chromakeying is not supported!"

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sandeen_:

not sure what's going on there either :(

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fryfrog:

i thought it was for only 6xxx or above?

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fryfrog:

or is it only for below the 6xxx series?

[16:01:24]

sandeen_:

the latter I think

[16:01:35]

sandeen_:

i have the commit & notes bookmarked somewhere @home :)

[16:02:34]

sandeen_:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/7569 I think

[16:03:38]

sandeen_:

"MythTV version 0.19 ships with a hack to enable full color OSD with XvMC enabled on Nvidia 4 & 5 series cards ONLY."

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mtnbkr:

anyone?

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rukuartic:

GreyFoxx: Figured it out... /usr/include/freetype vs /usr/include/freetype2/freetype

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GreyFoxx:

saw that in the other channel :)

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rukuartic:

Heh, figured I'd drop it here for the log

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rukuartic:

Goodness... this takes as long as mysql to compile. :O

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GreyFoxx:

gcc is slow to compile c++ code for sure :)

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Dagmar:

If those freetype headers are getting mixed up at all, someone's looking at a segfault waiting to happen

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rukuartic:

Dagmar: Really?

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rukuartic:

Oh, does it compile with -g? Or is that another option and a bad idea for endusers?

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Dagmar:

-g is useless unless you intend to use strace on the thing later, but it's not a "bad idea"

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Dagmar:

About the headers, hint number one is that they're in different directories.

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Dagmar:

If they were compatible, only one set of them would be needed.

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|Torg|:

I belvie if you compile the debug version it includes -g (it must becase I run dgb on it all the time)

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rukuartic:

Dagmar: I'm not a CS major yet, I just got out of my first semester of college.

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|Torg|:

they teach mythtv on CS classes now?

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rukuartic:

That'd be cool.

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rukuartic:

Is there any way I can check to see if my compile has support for ALSA?

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juski:

this is the mythtv class right here

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juski:

the only difference is that I can't throw a chair at you if you're being a bit thick ;)

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|Torg|:

juski dont throw chairs at students

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|Torg|:

throw dry erase markers, they go farther :)

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juski:

there was a remedial class teacher at my school who'd do that

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juski:

and desks

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juski:

I'd only ever become a teacher if they'd let me have a control panel on my desk to ZAP unruly students

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rukuartic:

MythMusic still doesn't play music for me D:

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|Torg|:

juski now you know why I dont teach. Im more apt to tell you to simply put the computer back in the box and return the thing (becase your too stupid to own a computer)

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juski:

.. and punctuate correctly ;)

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|Torg|:

rukuartic myth only plays audio based opon the device you told it

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|Torg|:

if you told it /dev/dsp its using oss, probably emulated to alsa

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rukuartic:

|Torg|: Lost there...

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|Torg|:

but the quesiton you are asking is how do I set up my card in alsa, not how do I make it work in myth

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rukuartic:

I told it /dev/dsp and I think its using alsa.

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|Torg|:

mythmusic does not work becase you failed to set up your card

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|Torg|:

if you told it /dev/dsp it is DEFIANTLY using oss

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rukuartic:

Ok...

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juski:

if you have a pvr350 card, your music is coming out the the soundcard line output

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rukuartic:

Naw its 150 juski

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Paladine:

|Torg|, I have a tricky one for you http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=321701

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rukuartic:

Forgive me if I'm being a tad thick |Torg|, but what should I do to fix this?

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|Torg|:

fix your alsa drivers, alsamixer, or hardware device

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Paladine:

|Torg|, did you used to hang on Newnet back in the mid 90s?

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|Torg|:

there are about 70 differnt drivers out there so its a bit hard without additional info to help yu

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|Torg|:

Paldaine go type /info on newnet :P

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Paladine:

that means connecting to them

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Paladine:

but you could just answer my question ;)

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rukuartic:

|Torg|: Might be unrelated, but the soundcard works for other things... DVD etc...

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|Torg|:

yes I wrote some of the ircd code fro them

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rukuartic:

|Torg|: Totem as well

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Paladine:

I have been suspecting as much for some time

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Paladine:

and I am hurt you don't remember me :p

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|Torg|:

I DO you just dont notice :P

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Paladine:

hehehe

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|Torg|:

is this your crazy 4 display gaming console thing?

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Paladine:

small world eh?

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|Torg|:

yes

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Paladine:

well it will be a 3 display system for now

[17:00:49]

Paladine:

it will evolve into 4

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Paladine:

dude we used to chat all the time on newnet

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|Torg|:

yes im glad you finaly remberd :)

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Paladine:

hahahaha

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|Torg|:

so you want to xhost this setup automaticly?

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Paladine:

I haven'#t been there for years since I moved my server

[17:02:01]

Paladine:

Torg, yeah, ideally I would like all the xservers to launch on boot

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Paladine:

so I don't have to manually start them at all

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|Torg|:

Xsession.d?

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Paladine:

I have no idea

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Paladine:

I have never done it before

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Paladine:

I do it all manually at the moment

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|Torg|:

well Xsession is mostly used to launch things at X startup, but you could xhost it then too

[17:03:12]

Paladine:

see now I realise who you are, I might just get that work visa ;p

[17:03:43]

|Torg|:

juski do you have one of those chairs I can borrow :)

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rukuartic:

|Torg|: If I had my drivers messed up, I wouldn't get any audio would I?

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|Torg|:

you could posibly get some now all

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Paladine:

rut roh

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|Torg|:

I would need to know what card it wzs, what drive ryou use, and how its connected

[17:04:29]

Paladine:

I have a globule of silver thermal compound somewhere on my desk

[17:04:35]

Paladine:

I just got a big streak of it up my arm

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|Torg|:

evn then, Paladine here is the best to help you with it :P

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rukuartic:

Ah...

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|Torg|:

I buy that damn grese in little packets. I often forget on ont eh ground and step onit, not a nice thing to see

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Paladine:

why is it you can never see that stuff until it has ruined your favourite tshirt

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|Torg|:

and Paladine a little termentine will take that off :)

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Paladine:

hehehe

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rukuartic:

Its an internal device, nVidia MCP51... Driver is... No clue. X_x

[17:06:10]

Paladine:

man I feel all nostalgic now

[17:06:13]

Paladine:

they were good times

[17:06:29]

Paladine:

Jo and Eve and Tom (VinceVega) and all the rest of us

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|Torg|:

rukuartic tyep lsmo | grep snd and pastebin it

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Paladine:

newnet used to rock

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|Torg|:

you seen them reciently?

[17:06:44]

Paladine:

then it went to crap

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Paladine:

and then died

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Paladine:

last I heard Jo was working in PA?

[17:07:23]

Paladine:

he left UoW

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rukuartic:

http://pastebin.ca/285124

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Paladine:

he helped me hack my college mailserver to run my first ircd hehehe

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Paladine:

mailsun.harlech.ac.uk bwahahaha

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Paladine:

|Torg|, I believe you still owe me a bottle of tequila you bught me for my birthday back in 1997 too

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Paladine:

it never arrived :)

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promacuser:

can anyone tell me why this might be happening?

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promacuser:

-bash: reboot: command not found

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Paladine:

did you do reboot or sudo reboot?

[17:09:56]

promacuser:

just reboot

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rukuartic:

promacuser: might have your path set up funny...

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Paladine:

what distro?

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promacuser:

but i'm logged in as root

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Paladine:

oh

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|Torg|:

umm I dont remember a bottle of tequlla :P

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frink_:

promacuser: find / -name reboot

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Paladine:

well looks like it is not in your path

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promacuser:

uh, knoppmyth

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|Torg|:

you sure we didnt drink it?

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frink_:

and see if it finds it

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rukuartic:

frink_: Locate maybe?

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Paladine:

try using /path/to/reboot

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frink_:

rukuartic: Yeah if it has locate running.

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stuarta:

it'll be in /sbin

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frink_:

promacuser: try: locate reboot

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stuarta:

or maybe /usr/sbin/reboot

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frink_:

and see if it finds it :)

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|Torg|:

drink type kill -9 -1 that shudl halt the damn thing

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Paladine:

yeah I expect it will be in sbin

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promacuser:

woah hang on.

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stuarta:

init 6

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promacuser:

all i see is /etc/init.d/reboot

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promacuser:

no sbin at all

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Paladine:

so do /etc/init.d/reboot

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Paladine:

:)

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|Torg|:

reboot is just a symlink to init, do what stuarta said

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promacuser:

Rebooting... /etc/init.d/reboot: line 11: reboot: command not found

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Paladine:

or switch to a console using ctrl+alt+F1 and hit ctrl+alt+delete, that should trigger a reboot as well

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|Torg|:

or if you want it down now and dnt care about gracefull shotdoiwns (what init does anyway without init scrupts) kill -9 -1

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** stuarta knows many ways to do things under unix **

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** rukuartic twiddles thumbs. **

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Paladine:

or shitdown -h now

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Paladine:

erm shutdown -h now even

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|Torg|:

shutdown too :)

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promacuser:

heh

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promacuser:

well, i'm having some other problems i haven't before

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Dagmar:

haha

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|Torg|:

promacuser what distribution do yu use?

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promacuser:

knoppmyth

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promacuser:

which i think is. . .

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Dagmar:

Init doesn't send -9 to anything.

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|Torg|:

its debina

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Dagmar:

Init doesn't even send *signals* to processes.

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|Torg|:

err debian

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Paladine:

you didn't recently rm a chroot did you? without unlinking /sbin and other essential directories first?

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Dagmar:

Init calls *shell scripts* that sends signals to processes

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|Torg|:

ok Dagmar lets get pickey :P

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promacuser:

no, i didn't really do ANYTHING.

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|Torg|:

its lunchtime for me anyway, I gota go to the bank

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Dagmar:

Yeah, being accurate is *so* picky

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promacuser:

i ran mythfilldatabase and it gave me a bunch of errors. so i tried rebooting and got nothing

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rukuartic:

Paladine: Got any ideas on why music wasn't working Mate?

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Dagmar:

|Torg|: Don't "elaborate upon the truth" when you're talking about technical issues around me

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Paladine:

eh, sorry I didn't see what your problem was?

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|Torg|:

ok Dagmar what I shoudl say is init will run all the scripts in runlevel 6 one of wich is to send a signterm (signal 9 ) to anything not already shut down

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|Torg|:

happy?

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Dagmar:

|Torg|: In case you've not noticed, it sends a kill -15 *first*

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promacuser:

and i'm getting this during mythfilldatabase

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promacuser:

sh: wget: command not found

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rukuartic:

Paladine: MythMusic don't work :( Audio works in everything else

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promacuser:

aaaaahhhh what did i dooo?

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Dagmar:

Then, after everything's had time to attempt a controlled shutdown, and mind you this is only for things STILL running after their initial shell scripts were called with the shutdown argument, THEN it sends the uninterruptible kill -9 to them

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Paladine:

rukuartic, how is your sound handled at the moment? do you have audio going into your tv card or into your sound card?

[17:18:31]

rukuartic:

Paladine: I don't have it going into anything X_x its comming out of my soundcard which is internal.

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rukuartic:

Not using a PVR350, but I tried the audio there just incase. Nothing either.

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rukuartic:

^ using a PVR150

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Paladine:

and you get no audio at all?

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xris:

promacuser: sounds like you may have accidentally deleted wget?

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rukuartic:

Paladine: From MythMusic. The visualization tweaks a bit like its playing the first few seconds of the song (and it looks accurate too) and then it stops.

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rukuartic:

Paladine: DVD's work fine, and I can play the files with Totem outside of MythMusic

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promacuser:

xris: but i'm having the same sort of reboot problem

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Paladine:

rukuartic, sounds odd, I really have no idea what is causing it, mythmusic works fine for me 99.99999% of the time

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Paladine:

I have one song it craps out on and crashes mythfrontend, but apart from that it is ok

[17:21:31]

rukuartic:

Paladine: I think I'm using ALSA but I'm not sure if it was compiled with Alsa... how could I check and would that be a problem?

[17:21:35]

xris:

promacuser: I think somehow you managed to seriously mess up your OS.

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Paladine:

I never did anything special to compile with alsa

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Dagmar:

mythfrontend --version will tell you

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promacuser:

xris: yes, i would say that's true

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Paladine:

my audio output device in mythfrontend/setup/general is /dev/dsp

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Paladine:

brb missus needs me

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rukuartic:

K

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promacuser:

is it possible that the links in bash are just screwy?

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Dagmar:

So run `hash -r`

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promacuser:

dagmar: what does that do?

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Dagmar:

promacuser: *ahem* I should say "RTFM" but in the interests of expedience, it makes bash re-hash it's cached path information

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Dagmar:

promacuser: Just reboot with the power switch and then when it comes back up see if it's still screwed up

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Dagmar:

If "the links in bash are just screwy" then `hash -r` would fix them

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promacuser:

thank you dagmar, but what's the best M for me to R?

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promacuser:

*wink*

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Dagmar:

promacuser: That's a bash built-in, so it would be `man bash` actually

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Dagmar:

Another reason I wasn't saying RTFM is that it's also impossibly obscure to find.

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Dagmar:

I'm not a *total* bastard

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juski:

naw just yell it anyway

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promacuser:

dagmar: yeah, i forget about man, though

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juski:

man rules the world, how could you forget

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juski:

?

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Dagmar:

THat's why it's written HIStory, baby!

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promacuser:

ha

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promacuser:

because i don't run linux as a main OS

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promacuser:

just for myth and some terminal stuff in OS X

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juski:

I don't run linux as a main OS either

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juski:

ignorance is no defence of ignorance ;)

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promacuser:

*sigh* ok, i give up. i'm a newbie.

[17:29:22]

juski:

I'm still none the wiser about alsa

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juski:

pfft. I was a newbie once too. Hell even Linux prolly was

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juski:

Linus

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juski:

oops

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BULLE:

s/Linux/Linus/

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juski:

I might get around to tidying up my backend tomorrow.. remove the 'other' lib verions I have

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BULLE:

what the world realy needs is an irc client that allows regexp operations to be started buy other people

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juski:

then rebuild it properly

[17:31:20]

BULLE:

so, anyone here that can come with ANY suggestion on how to pinpoint the reason why my mythbox locks up ?

[17:31:32]

BULLE:

syslog doesnt output a thing, it just hard locks

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juski:

er.. it's bwoked?

[17:31:57]

juski:

tested the memory, in a nice & tough fashion?

[17:31:57]

BULLE:

nah, i can run cpuburn for days on it, etc, it works

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Dagmar:

Man it was *years and years* before I even knew about the hash command

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BULLE:

if i use mythtv, it locksup, occasionaly, but ONLY while im using the remote

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juski:

someone needed the hash command the other day but I couldn't remember what it was

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BULLE:

eg, i hit a key, and bzaaaaaaaaaaap, its all locked up

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juski:

it's one thing being a newbie & not knowing much – it's something else knowing stuff & not being able to remember :-P

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Dagmar:

BULLE: So try running something less complex than MythTV

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promacuser:

juski: that's not so horrible

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Dagmar:

juski: I've probably forgotten more than some people know

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juski:

haha

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Dagmar:

...particularly if they're Gentoo users. ;)

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promacuser:

probably more than i know

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BULLE:

Dagmar: well, i have had cpuburn etc running for days on it, and it stays up

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** seth|laptop thinks you all have forgotten more than I'll ever know, hehe **

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promacuser:

maybe i'll just put in the install CD and try to reinstall it

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Dagmar:

What's bad is knowing *half* of something

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BULLE:

just looking at cpu temp and memory useage, cpuburn should be way nastier then mythtv

[17:34:21]

Dagmar:

Like, I used to know why certain commands are two cahracters long and some three and so forth, and what variant that came from

[17:34:32]

Dagmar:

Now I just remember that at one time there was a very minor reason for it

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Dr_willis:

there used tobe limits on the legenth of filenames ages ago. :)

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juski:

BULLE: maybe it's a LIRC problem then. I know some remote drivers have hooks into the keyboard device type thingy

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Dagmar:

BULLE: So what? Cpuburn is the computational equivalent of rocking back and forth and humming to itself.

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Chicago:

How can I control Unit 2 of my Hauppauge PVR-500 from v4l2-ctl? When I do for example 'v4l2-ctl -c volume=58880' it seems to be only affecting one encoder.

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BULLE:

Dagmar: i have been running other programs, aswell

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juski:

if it doesn't lock til you hit the remote I'd say bingo! it's the remote

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BULLE:

Dagmar: what do you suggest i should run ?

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Chicago:

Hi guys

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Dagmar:

BULLE: Run something slightly more complex, like "just X", then try a browser, then try just TVtime on your tuner card, etc etc

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juski:

Chicago: with the -d $device option I guess

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BULLE:

Dagmar: the lockups are not frequent, its like every other day or so

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Chicago:

juski: You're so smart :)

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juski:

heh. _you_ reckon ;)

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BULLE:

juski: ye, im using a mce usb remote, so yes, i guess trying to run it with keyboard for a few days would be an alternative

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Zider:

Chicago: he has his moments ;)

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Dagmar:

BULLE: What tuner card do you have?

[17:36:36]

rukuartic:

Has anyone had problems with MythMusic not working?

[17:36:43]

BULLE:

Dagmar: pvr-250

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Chicago:

Zider: Well, you're right... I didn't say "Juski, you're so smart. . . and over-critical"... just kidding. :)

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Zider:

;D

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juski:

rukuartic: what audio device is mythmusic set to use? mine's always been left at 'default' & seems to be ok

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Dagmar:

BULLE: Hmm... well, you can try disabling preemptive multitasking in the kernel. Ivtv still doesn't react well (*BANG!*) when it gets it's calls to the tuner card pre-empted.

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Dagmar:

It's gotten *better* about it, but it's still been something that's given me the occasional crash-a-day

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juski:

rukuartic: are you using digital output btw?

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BULLE:

Dagmar: ah, i will try that that, thanks for the suggestion

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rukuartic:

juski: /dev/dsp — and no I don't think I am... lemme check

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juski:

rukuartic: is that the same device that mythtv is set to use for audio output?

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juski:

does it actually look like it's playing the music too?

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rukuartic:

juski: From the visualization yheah

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rukuartic:

juski: It plays like 3 seconds and then stops, but there's no audio

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juski:

turn the visualisation off for a bit

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rukuartic:

juski: Set to "Blank", nothing stil.

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rukuartic:

juski: Where would I check for digital output?

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juski:

can other apps play the same files?

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juski:

rukuartic: if you don't know, then you're not using a spdif/toslink digital output

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rukuartic:

Good :3

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juski:

what kind of files are they btw?

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rukuartic:

yes, I can play with Totem

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rukuartic:

ogg, mp3

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juski:

hrm

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rukuartic:

Audio works for DVD's and the like

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juski:

run mythfrontend with -v all & then try again

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rukuartic:

Sure

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rukuartic:

Ouch... lots of sql qweries :X

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rukuartic:

working...

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rukuartic:

I'm seeing lots of <timestamp> AO: AddSamples FAILED bytes=2048, used=76594, free=2047, timecode=-1

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rukuartic:

used=75963 sorry

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juski:

hrm

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juski:

anything about which device it's using?

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rukuartic:

default, which should be /dev/dsp

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rukuartic:

h/u... running -v playback

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juski:

ah well, time to make some eats

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seth|laptop:

question, would mythtv run on netBSD ?

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rukuartic:

juski: Ok

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rukuartic:

juski: its using oss, should it use ALSA?

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GreyFoxx:

seth|laptop: It would require some code patching to compile

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seth|laptop:

ok

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GreyFoxx:

the frontend could likely get done fairly easily

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GreyFoxx:

but the backend not so much

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Dagmar:

It's all those weird left-handed electrons they use

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GreyFoxx:

Over XMas I'm gonna sitdown and make sure everything compiles(frontend that is) anmd runs under OpenBSD again

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sigger:

anyone find this useful: I'm almost done with a script to find all mythvideo files with no cover art and look in various places for art, and update db with found art

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seth|laptop:

well someone gave me a sun ultra10 with netBSD installed on it, was just wondering

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Dagmar:

sigger: What language?

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sigger:

oh sorry, various places means places where the video is stored and the .covers dir

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GreyFoxx:

seth|laptop:

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sigger:

in PHP

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GreyFoxx:

That wouldn't work without a lot of code changes

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GreyFoxx:

that's a different platform altogether :)

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GreyFoxx:

sigger: Nifty

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sigger:

GreyFoxx: thanks. got gosh darn tired of being afraid to change layout of video file storage cause it would bork the cover art and Categories

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sigger:

toying with maybe enabling it to set categories based on something in filename

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Dagmar:

BLeh.

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Dagmar:

I've been seriously considering making an exporter/importer for pulling videos *out* of the system, as well as putting them back in _while preserving the meta-data_

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sigger:

tell me what you're thinking and maybe I'll run with it (if you like and don't mind it being in PHP)

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GreyFoxx:

I was gonan write something to let me rename them and update the database

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sigger:

GreyFoxx: rename and update: meaning go find the new file if the one in the db isn't there?

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sigger:

oh duh. that wouldn't work with a rename, just a move

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GreyFoxx:

sigger: I

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GreyFoxx:

sigger: I'm often renamming files, even after I've pulled in metadata

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GreyFoxx:

It would be handy to just use something like "renvid.pl oldname.avi newname.avi" and have it rename the file and update the appropriate DB entry

[18:04:42]

GreyFoxx:

basically 10 minutes of perl work

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xris:

GreyFoxx: Anduin and visit0r have been working on stuff to include a .metadata type file with the info.

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GreyFoxx:

I just haven't done it yet :)

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GreyFoxx:

xris: Cool

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xris:

I've added support to nuvexport, too

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sigger:

that's not too hard. I can do it in PHP if ya like. I've certainly asked you all for enough help.

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GreyFoxx:

I use Gallery mode for Movies and such with meta data, and videlist with file browsing for other stuff. So I patched my mythvideo to skip all directories with a ".ignore" file in them when videomanager scans. That way I can control what does and doesn't get pulled into the database during a scan

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sigger:

GreyFoxx: so you have .ignore's in all non-movie dirs?

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rukuartic:

GreyFoxx: I GOT IT :DD

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rukuartic:

HAPPY!!!!

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rukuartic:

HAPPY!!!

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** rukuartic just used alsa-oss. **

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GreyFoxx:

sigger: Most of them yeah

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rukuartic:

Oh geez I feel like such an idiot... I've done that like 80 times to fix audio problems.

[18:08:41]

Dagmar:

xris: Awesome. Now to figure out wtf metadata is actually useful. ;)

[18:08:45]

GreyFoxx:

So TV archives, and "dump directories" are not puylled in

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GreyFoxx:

but Movies/Comedies etc do

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GreyFoxx:

sigger: I just place one .ignore at the top of the tree I don't want scanned

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GreyFoxx:

so TV/Stargate/Atlantis/Season99

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GreyFoxx:

I just create TV/.ignore

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GreyFoxx:

and it ignores everything under it

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GreyFoxx:

can I can still use videolist with filesystem browsing to get to it if I want it

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GreyFoxx:

I want my gallery view to be clean and only show stuff I have metadata imported for

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GreyFoxx:

Though to be honest at the moment I have no .ignores in place as I work on the upnp video stuff

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sigger:

GreyFoxx: interesting idea. I've got one front using gallery and the other using list. I'm sorta torn.

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GreyFoxx:

normally they are there :)

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sigger:

We also use Categories to separate the Movies from the TVSeries. (I keep a default Filter of Category = Children's in the family room.)

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rukuartic:

GreyFoxx: How would I get myth to use Alsa instead of OSS?

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GreyFoxx:

rukuartic: set your audio output device to "ALSA:default" and your mixer to "default"

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rukuartic:

Thanks man

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xris:

Dagmar: well, title/subtitle/etc would be immediately useful

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xris:

nuvexport pretty much just dumps the mythtv data record.

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juski:

mm burgers

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frink_:

Anybody know what these DWARF2 unwinder stucks are ?

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sigger:

level 3 magii?

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juski:

anybody know of a good small footprint linux howto? bear in mind I've never done a distro from scratch ;)

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BULLE:

just use lsf ?

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BULLE:

linux from scratch

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juski:

lfs

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BULLE:

it has ok docs

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BULLE:

imho

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epoch:

juski: rPath Linux is great for that sort of thing

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Paladine:

I tried to do a distro once, but I couldn't get the cd up my nose

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juski:

heard of lfs. got bored reading the docs

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juski:

there's been a rumour that mythtv is easy to get working on DSL, but I've seen no evidence of that yet

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juski:

for the record I don't mind compiling lirc & mythtv. everything else can go to hell – I want binaries :)

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sigger:

oooh, I tried myth on DSL. I'm not the biggest expert, but I had troubles.

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sigger:

compiling is not easy in DSL

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juski:

slack is tempting, but all the guides I've seen just plump for the default (everything) install options

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BULLE:

perhaps gentoo ?

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BULLE:

portage helps out with all the compiling

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juski:

you missed the 'small footprint' part, obviously

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BULLE:

nah

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sigger:

how small?

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juski:

< 1GB

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BULLE:

what is min size of gentoo, 100mb, 200mb ?

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juski:

more

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BULLE:

nah

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BULLE:

you can easily fit a complete gentoo system in 1gb

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sigger:

oh, there's a big brother to DSL. DSL-N I think its called. that's prolly a lot more friednly than DSL

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juski:

gentoo's not got the fastest boot in the world either

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juski:

plus I don't want to compile _everything_.. I haven't got all day ya know

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sigger:

http://www.damnsmalllinux.org/dsl-n/

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juski:

read up on mythdora today – it uses KDE by default, so again not exactly a fast bootup

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juski:

reason I'm so tempted by slack is that I've seen it boot on one of my boxes (the s100) in well under 30 secs

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juski:

from powered down to mythtv menu

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BULLE:

juski: i wouldnt be suprised if you could get faster boot speed out of say gentoo or fedora, then slackware

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BULLE:

but i have been living under a rock, in terms of slackware, perhaps they have parallelized init in slack nowadays aswell ?

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juski:

zenslack was the thing I used & it just has a bunch of stuff in rc.d

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juski:

didn't look fancy or owt

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kormoc:

gentoo may have parallelized init, but they have so many dumb user checks that it doesn't help much

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juski:

I don't honestly care if everything runs as root

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juski:

load kernel, load modules, start net, start lirc, start X.. badabing

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juski:

jams: how's that tiny distro of yours coming along?

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juski:

if the system that I'm building for isn't available, is it still possible to build for it on something else relatively easily?

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BULLE:

for some definition of "relatively easily" yes

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BULLE:

you would have to crosscompile, and setup gcc to do just that

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juski:

figured as much

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juski:

not done any crosscompiling before

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BULLE:

then its most likely not relatively easy

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juski:

this is gonna be as much about broadening my knowledge as it is having a system I'm fully in control of

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juski:

I could always go with a default slack install & remove a lot of cruft

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Fifth:

so for MythTV front-end....would it be possible to use some sort of decoder card with a smaller proc?

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juski:

not really

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juski:

I wouldn't recommend anybody buy a pvr350 these days

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Fifth:

so none of the Haupperage ones do decoding too then?

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juski:

some epia boards have onboard mpeg2 decoders but they can be hard work to get working properly.. don't I just know it

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juski:

only the pvr350 does decoding onboard

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Fifth:

ah K

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juski:

and when you say 'smaller' what do you mean?

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Fifth:

well it's a dual 400 dell poweredge

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Fifth:

others told me itd work for backend only

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Fifth:

with an encoder card

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juski:

you'd be pushing it even for that

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juski:

if you used it, forget about transcoding, commercial flagging & all the nice stuff

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Fifth:

yah they said no transcoding or corn-something either

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Fifth:

yah

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Fifth:

cornflagging or w/e

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Fifth:

guess I might have to buckle down and use a P4

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juski:

plus recycling old hardware isn't always good – older systems sometimes eat more power than their younger brothers

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Fifth:

ah yah

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alsoconfused:

Anyone know what would cause the live tv player to freeze up and start using 100% cpu between shows?

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juski:

alsoconfused: a bug?

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juski:

try 0.20-fixes

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alsoconfused:

why didn't i think of that

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Fifth:

juski, well its the kinda thing where i have too many servers than I know what to do with heh

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alsoconfused:

juski: i'm using svn from a few days ago. will the database stay sane if i go back to -fixes ?

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Paladine:

kormoc you about?

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juski:

alsoconfused: nope. hope you backed it up

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alsoconfused:

juski: always

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juski:

alsoconfused: this'd be a topic for the -users mailing list, with plenty of info

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juski:

try using a more up to date version first though

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alsoconfused:

?? more up to date than svn?

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juski:

bear with it- bugs never get fixed if nobody reports em ;)

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juski:

alsoconfused: try a more recent checkout

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alsoconfused:

is that better (from a reporting/debugging standpoint) than -fixes?

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juski:

yes

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alsoconfused:

ok, thx

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juski:

try that first, then report the bug, then if you get tired of it being buggy try -fixes

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Paladine:

someone nudge me when kormoc wakes up please

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kormoc:

Mornin' Paladine

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Paladine:

heya man, speak of the devil

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Paladine:

if you just woke up I will let you get some coffee first

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Paladine:

cos I have a tricky one for you :)

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juski:

I'm gonna start practising on the s100 box i think

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Fifth:

juski, So is a P4 1.6GHz better (enough?) for both decoding and cornflagging / transcoding?

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BULLE:

Fifth: for SD content, with say a wintv-pvr card it should be more then enough

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juski:

Fifth: yup

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Fifth:

so like the Hauppage series?

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Fifth:

(sp?)

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juski:

yup

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Fifth:

I've been reading some about that series also, and wihch one works best? I've heard the 500 isnt that good quality but that some are just able to record more channels at once, etc

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Paladine:

kormoc, gimmie a shout when you are settled and have a few minutes spare :)

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juski:

pvr500 is a dual tuner card

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alsoconfused:

Fifth: AFAIK they are all single tuner except for the 500 which has two.

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juski:

so with that you can record two things at the same time with one card

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juski:

or watch one thing & record another

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juski:

or watch & record one thing and record another

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Fifth:

ah K , so quality-wise, there's on different? Or does the 500 sacrifice quality for the 2 tuners/

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Paladine:

or have a lot of money and want to spend some :)

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Fifth:

?

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juski:

or record 2 different shows at the same time & watch a pre-recorded show

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Paladine:

the 500 is 2x 150s on the same card

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juski:

the 'quality' issues have been due to the driver not being as mature as it could be yet & Hauppauge changing the tuners on the card

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TruPoet:

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juski:

the 'quality' issues have been due to the driver not being as mature as it could be yet & Hauppauge changing the tuners on the card

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juski:

it's improving all the time though

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kormoc:

Paladine, kk, it's lunch, so it'll be in a little

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Fifth:

gotcha, so how do the 350 and 150 differ then?

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Paladine:

np man I will be here for hours yet :)

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juski:

the pvr350 has an onboard mpeg2 decoder

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Fifth:

oh right you were saying that earlier. But you said it had troubles?

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Ravi1974:

hey guys, does any one know of a HD hardware capture card?

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abarbaccia:

hey all – why would mythmusic lock up when trying to play a song but the media player in linux have no problem?

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juski:

but any mp3, ogg, divx, xvid, mpeg4, wmv etc you play on the machine, audio will come out of the soundcard, not the pvr350's audio output. and there's no digital output, so no fancy 5.1 surround. plus anything not in mpeg2 has to be decoded by your cpu anyway

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juski:

Ravi1974: hardware encoding capture for HDTV? no way

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Fifth:

juski, ok and how are the 150/500 different on sound then? They do play via the card's output?

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Ravi1974:

juski: I guess its too processor intensive to do it realtime huh?

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juski:

Fifth: yes

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juski:

Ravi1974: completely

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Fifth:

juski, ok cool thanks a ton for the help, sounds like 500 on my P4 might be the way to go

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Ravi1974:

Do most people re-encode to mpeg4 for later?

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Fifth:

be nice if there was an mpg4 hardware encoder haha

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Scopeuk:

there is it is jsut currently only avaliabel as a developers kit and not being mass retailed

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Fifth:

ah K

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Ravi1974:

Scopeuk: what is the name?

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Scopeuk:

ill look it up again

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Ravi1974:

Scopeuk: thanks

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juski:

that was only a HDMI capture card though – without any encoder onboard. uncompressed HDMI is like 5GB/sec or something daft

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juski:

it's a tad premature to get your hopes up

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Ravi1974:

juski: I have downloaded "HD" versions of my favorite TV shows off the internet in mpeg4.

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Ravi1974:

how do they do that?

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Ravi1974:

the file sizes are only 900mb for 1 hour

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juski:

they transcoded them to mpeg4 then broke the law

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juski:

and if there's any more talk of TV show downloading...

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Ravi1974:

:), What is the average file size for 1 hour TV show in ATSC or QAM?

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juski:

max bitrate of ATSC is reckoned to be about 18mbits

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juski:

ff

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juski:

huh?

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Fifth:

so if you're transcoding to MPG4, does having the hardware MPG2 encoder even help at all?

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juski:

nope

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Fifth:

K figured haha

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juski:

not that a pvr350 can even decode hdtv

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Scopeuk:

seam to have lsot it

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Scopeuk:

im probabyl beign a numpty and it was only a decoder unti any way

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Scopeuk:

ok i give up then remeber its on mydesktop

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Scopeuk:

http://www.micronas.com/products/application/MicRacer/index.html was what i had in mind sorry forany confusion

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Ravi1974:

So if 18 megabit = 2.25 megabyte, then for 1 hour TV show it would be 8.1GB, WOW

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Ravi1974:

I'd better get a big HD :(

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juski:

I have over 500GB just for my SDTV

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Ravi1974:

I was silly & started watching HD, now I can't stand SD :(

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juski:

I've seen HD & dunno what the fuss is all about

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Ravi1974:

To see HD, I got a HDTV. Now when I watch SD, I'm scared to ruin the sides of the TV. I don't like to stretch the image because it looks bad

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juski:

and those HD sets eat like 500 Watts

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alsoconfused:

with the right source they look fantastic though. especially plasma and some of the newer lcds

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Mattwj2005:

just because a device is rated at 500 W doesn't mean that it is the amount it using. That is the amount it can use maxium ;)

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juski:

with the right source.. pfft

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juski:

yeah with the demos in the shops they look fantastic

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alsoconfused:

even 720p is a nice improvement over SD

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abarbaccia:

Would someone want to help me getting audio output working with mythmusic?

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kormoc:

Paladine, back

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Mattwj2005:

in some ways 720p looks better than 1080i :)

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juski:

last week I saw a great demo. was a phillips demo from HDD – next to it was $ky HD. compared to the phillips demo the $ky looked shite

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alsoconfused:

juski: you're right though, most of the time a good sd CRT looks just as good

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Paladine:

wb kormoc

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abarbaccia:

I'm having some serious problems with playback only in mythmusic – liveTV works fine and the audio player inside of Ubuntu works as well

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juski:

abarbaccia: got any log messages from mythmusic?

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Paladine:

kormoc, bascially I need to call upon your xorg skills

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Paladine:

have a read of this thread http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=321701

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abarbaccia:

juski: what verbose flags should i run with?

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abarbaccia:

audio on the fe?

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juski:

abarbaccia: try 'all' first & see how you go

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juski:

though someone just has issues with mythmusic not outputting any audio & he said he fixed it by changing mythmusic's audio device to alsa-oss

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juski:

was a couple of hours ago, that one

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abarbaccia:

where is that setting?

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juski:

mythmusic playback or general setting

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kormoc:

Paladine, ouch, complicated indeed.... hrm.

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abarbaccia:

audio device = /dev/dsp

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Paladine:

kormoc, aye

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kormoc:

Paladine, yeah, you would need to use twinview on the one card to do the merged desktop on the two monitors, and then setup the second card in a standard .1 setup, so it's a seperate x display

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Paladine:

yeah

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kormoc:

Paladine, as for running myth full screen... are you ever not going to?

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abarbaccia:

2006-12–19 15:28:36.669 AO: AddSamples FAILED bytes=2048, used=765953, free=2047, timecode=-1

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Paladine:

so basically I would need to run 3 X Servers?

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Paladine:

one for the xineram display

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Paladine:

one for the mythtv server in the single display

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Paladine:

and one for the cedega server in the same display

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** kormoc nods **

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kormoc:

this is where I moved away from xinerama

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alsoconfused:

Paladine: if you are on a protected network, you should be able to completely disable X auth. else, i'd just script it. I have no idea why you need to run one server as root.

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kormoc:

I started saying, monitor #2 is my communications monitor. it has my email, aim, and irc on it at all times, and #3 is my multimedia monitor, myth only

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kormoc:

so I just diabled xinerama/twinview, and just setup each display for a purpose, so when I run irc, it always uses monitor #2

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Paladine:

so monitor 1 is your regular desktop?

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kormoc:

aye

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Paladine:

would you mind sharing your xorg conf and any scripts yo use for startup?

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kormoc:

Paladine, https://kormoc.homelinux.org/xorg.conf/xorg.conf.trihead

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Paladine:

champion mate, thanks for that

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kormoc:

Paladine, that's how I enabled each of my three displays as :0.0, :0.1 and :0.2

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kormoc:

Paladine, the Screen option in the devices are critical for this sort of setup

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chris_____:

anyone know of issues with kernel 2.6.19 and ivtv-0.9.1 I've tried googleing my errors but no help at all

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Paladine:

so mythtv is :0.2

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kormoc:

Paladine, as for my startup scripts. I added in ~/.bin to the $PATH (via .bashrc), and then in .bin I have sciprts to redirect correctly

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Paladine:

that means my cedega would be :1.2 right?

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kormoc:

Paladine, if you wanted. with that setup, cedega would launch full screen on :0.0 just fine without hammering :0.1 or :0.2

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Paladine:

that would place my cedega xserver on monitor 3 at ctrl+alt+F8

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Paladine:

yeah I want cedega to be on the same monitor as mythtv

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kormoc:

Paladine, in ~/.bin/mythtvfrontend I had DISPLAY=:0.2 /usr/bin/mythtvfrontend

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Paladine:

cos I never run the two at the same time

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Paladine:

due to being to lazy to add a sound passthrough in mythfrontend ;)

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kormoc:

Paladine, which would launch mythtv on the right monitor no matter how it was lunched (via menu items on in a console)

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kormoc:

due to the script being in the path before the real binary

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Paladine:

aye

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Paladine:

I love how versatile X is with multiple displays once you can get your head round it

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kormoc:

this allowed me to overload the ones I wanted to be on specifc displays, while allowing them to defaultly launch on the main display

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jblack:

I got my new pchdtv today!! I'm confused though. It has 4 composit outputs, but no "television" output.

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kormoc:

Paladine, the only limit is you can't drag windows between desktops, but personally, I don't mind losing that ability

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|Torg|:

Ravi1974 almost all my ATSC recordings come to 3.5G per 30 mins, and 7G per hour. Take out commericals and you will know why you lose 1G per hour

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abarbaccia:

anybody know what the addsamples failed result is from

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Paladine:

kormoc, I tend to go for a very organised setup on my desktop anyway

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Paladine:

I always have mythtv, xchat and gaim inonemonitor

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Paladine:

wioth mythtv shrunk to 720x576 in the bottom corner

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kormoc:

heh

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Paladine:

then I have everything else in my left monitor

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jblack:

that doesn't mean I get 4 channels at once, does it?

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kormoc:

Paladine, people at work laugh at me, because my lcd montiors have burn-in of all my windows, as they stay exactly where I put them all the time.

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Paladine:

but with the 3rd monitor, I will be able to run mythtv in full screen

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** kormoc nods **

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Paladine:

you have 3 cards too

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Paladine:

I only use 2 cards, but that should be easy enough to work around

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kormoc:

actaully, in that config, I only had two

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Paladine:

showing 3 here

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kormoc:

well, this is where it gets tricky

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Paladine:

fx5800, fx5200 and fx5200 PCI

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kormoc:

one of the cards is defined twice

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Paladine:

ah right

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kormoc:

both the fx5200's are a single card

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kormoc:

the only way that actually works is due to the screen option

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Paladine:

you named them seperately to control dvi/vga inputs explicitely?

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kormoc:

aye

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kormoc:

I wanted my DVI on my 5200 to ignore the EDID but the vga to honor it

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kormoc:

at the time, that was the only way to do so

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Paladine:

you have screen 0 set in both the 5800 and the first 5200

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kormoc:

aye

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kormoc:

that screen number is for each hardware card

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kormoc:

took me forever to figure that out

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|Torg|:

the screen number is based on your config

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|Torg|:

you put a config for the driver, which has the card in it

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kormoc:

|Torg|, not the device Screen number

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kormoc:

|Torg|, that's per hardware device, so for two cards, you have two #0's

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|Torg|:

:0.X or are you taling :X.0

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kormoc:

not talking about X screens, talking about driver screens :P

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kormoc:

|Torg|, https://kormoc.homelinux.org/xorg.conf/xorg.conf.trihead

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|Torg|:

my xinerama is 0.1 and 0.0

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|Torg|:

same driver, two iffernt driver options

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|Torg|:

one is for the DVI out the other is for the VGA out

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kormoc:

those are X screens

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kormoc:

device screens don't map to X screens

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|Torg|:

runs as two sperate screens not one

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kormoc:

|Torg|, take a look at my PCI-5200 devices in there

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kormoc:

|Torg|, the frist one is screen 0 and the second is screen 1, and my 5800 only has one, screen 0

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|Torg|:

ok BTW Screen0, Screen1, etc is just what you called them, they could be anything as long as they are unique

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kormoc:

|Torg|, this allows the driver to understand which settings go to which output

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kormoc:

|Torg|, not true, if you set it to screen 0 in the 5800, screen 1 and 2 in the 5200, you don't get any output on the 5200, as the card doesn't initilize

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kormoc:

|Torg|, man xorg.conf talks about it

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|Torg|:

Screen "Screen0"

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|Torg|:

thaty

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kormoc:

|Torg|, not that screen

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Paladine:

torg, no in the device settings

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kormoc:

|Torg|, device section screen, not display screen

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|Torg|:

you called the thing Screen0 you can call it whatever you please

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kormoc:

|Torg|, wrong section...

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|Torg|:

Screen 0

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kormoc:

yes, that

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Paladine:

kormoc, I plan to eventually move this sytem to 4 displays :)

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kormoc:

that doesn't map to a x screen

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Paladine:

which will be even more fun

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alsoconfused:

who's on :1, what's on :2 i dunno's on :3

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kormoc:

|Torg|, from man xorg.conf

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kormoc:

|Torg|, Screen number

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kormoc:

This option is mandatory for cards where a single PCI entity can drive more than one display (i.e., multiple CRTCs sharing a single graphics accelerator and video memory). One Device section is required for each head, and this parameter determines which head each of the Device sections applies to. The legal values of number range from 0 to one less than the total number of heads per entity. Most drivers require th

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kormoc:

at the primary screen (0) be present.

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Paladine:

kormoc, do you know if glx is available on both outputs per card, or just the primary output per card (like directx is in windows)

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kormoc:

Paladine, in my setup, it works on every output, but a card driving more then one display does have a performance hit

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Paladine:

thats cool then

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Paladine:

in windows you can only have acceleration in the primary monitor

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|Torg|:

Screen 0 "Screen0" 0 0

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|Torg|:

Screen 1 "Screen1" 0 0

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|Torg|:

thats what is in my serverlayout

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kormoc:

Paladine, in my testing, it was about a 33% hit in raw fill rate, and about a 20% in decent opengl rendering

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kormoc:

|Torg|, not server layout screens, those are X screens, not driver screens

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Paladine:

thats still more than useable for a desktop

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kormoc:

|Torg|, the driver screen isn't hooked to a x screen at all

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|Torg|:

I can reliably say tht 0.0 is a 1080I DLP tv, and 0.1 is a 19" LCD that I often dont even connect

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Paladine:

my gaming desktop will be on a dedicated card, so I won't really notice any performance hits I expect

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kormoc:

|Torg|, yes, but we're still talking about a *differnet* scrren

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kormoc:

|Torg|, you see, there's more then one defination for screen in X sadly.

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|Torg|:

ok I identify that screen with a card called Card0, yes I took defautl settings

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|Torg|:

I did the same with Card1

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|Torg|:

altho technicaly its the same card, just two differnt outputs

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abarbaccia:

okay, so apparently i need to get alsa working somehow becuase using straight OSS on mythmusic is causing it to lock up...

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Paladine:

torg look at his xorg.conf and you will see what he means

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Paladine:

https://kormoc.homelinux.org/xorg.conf/xorg.conf.trihead

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|Torg|:

I see whats hes saying, but I did the same by putting eh screen number in ServerLayout

[20:53:50]

kormoc:

|Torg|, actually, no it's not

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kormoc:

|Torg|, it's something 99.999% of people never need to deal with

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|Torg|:

hmm it works for me, reliably every time

[20:54:28]

kormoc:

you have multihead on one pci card with different options per head?

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|Torg|:

do you screens move on you? what was 2 is now 2 etc? mine stays 0 and 1

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kormoc:

no

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|Torg|:

yes kormoc

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fysa:

|Torg|, what are you trying to do?

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|Torg|:

I have an nvidai 5900 with dvi and vga output

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kormoc:

the driver fails to bring up the card correctly without knowing that the vga is a valid screen

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fysa:

Do you want to use them simultaneously

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|Torg|:

me, im not trying to do anyting. Ive alreayd done it

[20:55:29]

fysa:

?

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kormoc:

|Torg|, pci?

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Paladine:

which is your dvi device for the 5200 kormoc? I will need to figure out what settings I have to add for dvi on mine

[20:55:37]

kormoc:

Paladine, the first one

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|Torg|:

pci-e

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kormoc:

|Torg|, it only affects pci cards, as per the man page I told you to look at...

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fysa:

I'm using a 6150 with DVI and S-Video, :0.0 and :0.1 — but switching between them, not using them simultaneously.

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jblack:

Awwww. Ubuntu loaded the cx8800 driver instead of the cx88-dvb driver

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|Torg|:

kormoc I dont use xorg I use Xfree86

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Paladine:

kormoc, so the only difference between the dvi config and the vga config is the IgnoreEDID?

[20:56:49]

kormoc:

man it's config file

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kormoc:

Paladine, aye

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Paladine:

cool, I thought I needed to add extra stuff for dvi

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kormoc:

not usually

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|Torg|:

yes kormoc that would precluse I had xorg and its man pages installed, I dont

[20:57:23]

juski:

I wish I had a spare dvd drive I could boot from

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Paladine:

last time I tried to use the dvi input on my monitors in X it never worked

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kormoc:

|Torg|, no, man xfree's config file

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Paladine:

maybe I did something funky

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|Torg|:

Option "ModeValidation" "NoMaxSizeCheck,NoMaxPClkCheck,NoVertRefresh

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|Torg|:

Check,NoHorizSyncCheck,NoEdidMaxPClkCheck"

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kormoc:

|Torg|, I did copy and paste it into here too for you to look at

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Paladine:

kormoc, here is another interesting one for you to try and figure out

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|Torg|:

yes I see kormoc the differnces between yours and mine is you define Screen under the Device section but not under the Serverlayout

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Paladine:

with my current setup I am running 2 monitors, one on each card, both cards SLI capable on an SLI mainboard

[20:59:36]

Paladine:

now SLI will only work in single monitor mode

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|Torg|:

that and you define two sepreate Screen 0 for what I belive is two sperate cards, I only have one

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Paladine:

so iwas wondering

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Paladine:

when i switch to my cedega xserver (which is configured for a single monitor and the second monitor turns off)

[21:00:15]

Paladine:

could I include SLI in the xorg.conf for that server and would it work?

[21:00:22]

Paladine:

I think, in theory it shoudl work

[21:00:37]

Paladine:

but I have never rebooted my pc since I thought about it, in order to reconnect my sli bridge

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woodwizzle:

how do I get the channel logos in mythtv

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woodwizzle:

i seem to remeber using a perl script last time, but I can't find it

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|Torg|:

mkiconmap.pl

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|Torg|:

persoanlly I just edit the channels table in the database by hand

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tezm:

hi all

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Paladine:

kormoc, I can't wait to get my third LCD, I never seem to have enough screen real estate

[21:04:03]

Paladine:

won't be until after xmas, when the prices drop for the sales

[21:04:07]

Paladine:

but it will be a lot of fun

[21:04:51]

Paladine:

I don't understand how people manage with a single 17" display

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Paladine:

would drive me insane

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|Torg|:

actualy im looking for a nice 5" or such to put in my case so I can get rid of the 19"

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alsoconfused:

Paladine: i grew up typing on asr-33's so any "display" is a luxury :)

[21:05:46]

tezm:

I was wondering, is mytharchive only available for 0.20 ?

[21:06:55]

Paladine:

alsoconfused, well I have been working in the it field for 15 years, so I have had my fair share of crappy displays too, but now, since I have been using multiple large and high resolution screens for such a long time

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Paladine:

I really couldn't handle a single small screen situation

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|Torg|:

I gave up a 21" CRT for 3 19" LCDs

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Paladine:

even my laptop (which was a 17" widescreen) had to go in the end, because I didn't enjoy the small single display

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alsoconfused:

Paladine: i hear ya. i was following your talk with kormoc about running 3-heads with two cards. i currently have two older nvidias one to a 17"lcd, one to the tv

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alsoconfused:

another lcd may be in order

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Paladine:

I am in the process of building a tv only system at the moment

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Paladine:

edubuntu

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Paladine:

thats for the missus upstairs

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Paladine:

sheis much more "at home" with a tv than with a computer monitor

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Paladine:

so it will encourage her to use the net more

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Paladine:

and with it being edubuntu, it is great fun for our son as well

[21:10:33]

alsoconfused:

linux certainly has arrived. i used to think of it as just a toy.

[21:10:47]

Paladine:

if I was given a couple of wishes, one of them would probably be to be 15 years younger, so I could enjoy all this new tech as a teenager

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|Torg|:

acually I still that that of Windows

[21:10:52]

fryfrog:

most complicated and confusing toy i've ever heard of :p

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Paladine:

the stuffwe have now compared to then, just pales in comparison

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Paladine:

had then compared to now I mean

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alsoconfused:

|Torg|: Windows is like a broken toy

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Paladine:

alsoconfused, I think microsoft are going to be struggling with vista

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|Torg|:

Windows is a toy, I use to to play directx games

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Paladine:

their biggest selling point is the new GUI and compositing engine

[21:12:10]

alsoconfused:

NT is elegant at its core, but what a piece of shit they made of it

[21:12:20]

Paladine:

but it already pales in comparison to aiglx/xgl

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juski:

bah

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juski:

xgl is but a toy aswell

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woodwizzle:

poop, mkiconmap generated a useless iconmap.xml file

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Paladine:

it may be a toy but it is a fully customizable toy

[21:12:53]

Paladine:

Aero is completely closed

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juski:

heehee look at all our useless bling!

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Paladine:

so you get what MS wants you to have and thats it

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|Torg|:

yes woodwizzle I get eh same problems its the xmltv scripts, and you have top setup zap2it. Its why I just do it by ahnd

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|Torg|:

woodwizzle go to wikipedia and download whatever icons you want. Put them in your myth directory somewhere (mine go in /myth/icons)

[21:13:52]

Fifth:

PVR150 for $50 not too bad, no to talk the wife into it

[21:13:53]

|Torg|:

then go into teh database and update each channel with the direcotry to the icon you want to use

[21:13:58]

juski:

hm all the junk in here & I don't have enough spare stuff to get slack up & going on a spare machine

[21:14:20]

Fifth:

now*

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|Torg|:

make it readable my anyone so mythweb can read them, its that easy

[21:14:21]

Paladine:

juski, sounds like you need to visit ebay :)

[21:14:36]

jblack:

anyone happen to know what ubuntu package has the tools that include things like dtvsignal?

[21:14:40]

woodwizzle:

|Torg|, Ah, the script had worked for me in the past but not this time.

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kormoc:

Paladine, Aye, I've found that 3 displays is about the sweet spot for myself. I always have enough with that

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juski:

nah I'll just rip my spare ubuntu box to bits

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thaJeepJerk:

lo everyone

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|Torg|:

3 displays is the sweet spot for me becase I dont have room for a fourth :P

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thaJeepJerk:

anyone here been working with streaming realtime media?

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|Torg|:

shure I stream it to a portable HD and watch them on the plane

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thaJeepJerk:

I was remembering MFD and how it used RTSP to sync streaming to multiple frontends and thinking it would be nice to have/make a little device that could talk to this

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thaJeepJerk:

but I'm not sure if RTSP is the right protocol to be thinking about

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juski:

well I'm gonna watch some telly. had enough hours at the pc today

[21:18:21]

thaJeepJerk:

ie a little box that has a net jack and audio output

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thaJeepJerk:

any feedback?

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|Torg|:

yes I call it an xbox :)

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Paladine:

wiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii

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jblack:

I wish myth didn't like to change my channel names to "Adding channel #xx". :)

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thaJeepJerk:

|Torg|: I've got that too, I was thinking something even smaller

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thaJeepJerk:

more single purpose electronics

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thaJeepJerk:

like a little PIC chugging away

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|Torg|:

you gona make that pic decode mpeg?

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thaJeepJerk:

probably not

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thaJeepJerk:

hardware deoder

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|Torg|:

like I said its called an xbox, that or a PC, a shuttle, or a dlink media player

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|Torg|:

or I guess you could call it a laptop

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thaJeepJerk:

have you seen the bluetooth speakers?

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Paladine:

are they like the Blue Man Group?

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|Torg|:

wireless + sound scares me

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thaJeepJerk:

well RTSP is supposed to have delta sync

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|Torg|:

I really dont want to think of how many BT, cell, 802.11 and 5.8Ghz I trow arround my house

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|Torg|:

im usre I will proobly glow when they burry me

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thaJeepJerk:

basically I was thinking something that could take a stream and play it in every room of the house sync'd w/o the speaker cable

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|Torg|:

AHHH you want an ipod

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thaJeepJerk:

every room at the same time

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Paladine:

no he doesn't

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Paladine:

stop trying to turn him into a clone

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|Torg|:

haha

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thaJeepJerk:

I already have a zen :)

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Paladine:

I have zero need for a portable music player

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Paladine:

my car is already portable and has a music player in it

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|Torg|:

actualy my ipod is in my truck now :)

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Paladine:

dude, have you seen a shrink?

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|Torg|:

and before you get on my ass Paladine it was given to me, free is free

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Paladine:

you are the last person I would expect to buy an ipod (apart from me)

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Paladine:

ahhhh

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Paladine:

and you haven't burnt it in a sacrifical manner yet?

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thaJeepJerk:

so last time I mentioned RTSP the upnp ppl told me to shut up

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|Torg|:

I uploaded all my mp3s to it

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Paladine:

or do you keep itin your truck to devalue the truck and put people off from stealing the truck?

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thaJeepJerk:

nice

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Paladine:

the ipod would make a good antitheft device

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|Torg|:

mostly Paladine but here we can shoot you for stealing a truck

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|Torg|:

screw teh ipod, beware of ME

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Paladine:

"Instantly Devalue you Car, make sure thieves are not interested. Install an iPOD!"

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Paladine:

actually this could lead to a slew of parody ads ;)

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thaJeepJerk:

it doesn't ue the DRM to protect the car too?

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Paladine:

"Live in New York? Next a mugger asks for your wallet, don't go for the pepper spray, pull out an iPod!"

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seth|laptop:

could use something like vonage and wing ipod boxes at someone, when they try to steal your vehicle

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Paladine:

thaJeepJerk, haha interesting theory, when you put your ipod in the car, does it lock you in for 20 plays and then delete the car?

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sigger:

ha, hey can the RIAA prosecute a car thief who steals music files contained within the car?

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|Torg|:

acayly shoudlnt they prosecure the car maker for making the music theft device?

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thaJeepJerk:

the RIAA can prosecute anyone they want

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sigger:

or the gasoline refiner

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woodwizzle:

is there a good comparison of the different de-interlace options

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woodwizzle:

Anyone else using ubuntu for their mythtv box?

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Ravi1974:

woodwizzle: I'm just setting that up right how :)

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woodwizzle:

I just did this morning. So far one of the least painful setups I've done for mythtv

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woodwizzle:

but I can't find all the plugins. Mythmusic etc.

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woodwizzle:

But I got nvidia, ALSA ,and ivtv running very quickly.

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Mattwj2005:

hey everyone :)

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Ravi1974:

I have to say that Ubuntu's install method is amazing. Live CD to HD. I love it!

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Fifth:

Ravi1974, nothing new, Knoppix has had that forever

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SavageOne:

fifth: yeah but the ubuntu one is pretty nice

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SavageOne:

it reminds me of the older mac os

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SavageOne:

or even the new one does that too I think

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Fifth:

ah yah

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SavageOne:

but the os 9 if i remember had to some nice stuff in it for like disk scanning etc

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Fifth:

I used Kororaa's couple months ago, was pretty nice

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Fifth:

but I prefer straight gentoo install /shrug

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SavageOne:

I hear ya

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SavageOne:

I work w/ centos mainly

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SavageOne:

but not for myth stuff

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SavageOne:

i use knoppmyth hehe

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SavageOne:

lazy

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Fifth:

haha

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Fifth:

yah I got centos at work bleh

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Fifth:

cept for my workstation ....gentoo haha

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SavageOne:

I just use centos on server stuff

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SavageOne:

like my web server is centos and so is my asterisk server

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Fifth:

ah yah

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Fifth:

basically what we do

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Fifth:

just annoying when wanting to recompile php with other flags

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Fifth:

knowing what Gentoo can do

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SavageOne:

mmm

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Fifth:

fooling around with src rpms

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Fifth:

haha

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SavageOne:

I don't do much hacking on these tho

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Fifth:

ah yah

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SavageOne:

I don't really mess w/ much

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SavageOne:

just get it going and do only stable release updates in guess what? rpms hehe

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SavageOne:

so i'm happy there

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SavageOne:

I've heard good things about gentoo tho

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SavageOne:

just never messed with it

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Fifth:

yah I swear by it

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SavageOne:

nice on the desktop also?

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Fifth:

yah

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SavageOne:

does it come close to ubuntu in that respect

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SavageOne:

because ubuntu is very nice

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Fifth:

it's not easy to setup like ubuntu...not meant for a full on linux noob like ubuntu

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SavageOne:

yeah but

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Fifth:

but for someone who wants to learn linux and customize , its great

[22:26:04]

SavageOne:

once installed does it run like that

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SavageOne:

have you seen the add/remove programs for ubntu?

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SavageOne:

it's fucking ridiculous

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SavageOne:

hehe

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Fifth:

lol

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Fifth:

nah its all about portage in Gentoo

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SavageOne:

you can add like hundreds and hundreds of programs through the gui

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SavageOne:

almost like an apt-get type deal

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SavageOne:

but gui based and w/ nice info about each program

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SavageOne:

I like apt-get

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BULLE:

SavageOne: what distribution are you using now ?

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SavageOne:

bulle; my mythbox is on knoppmyth so knoppix

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SavageOne:

and I got 2 centos servers here

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SavageOne:

and my desktop is windows xp ;)

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Fifth:

ah yah, well the gentoo way is more command line, portage/emerge is command line...not sure if there are any GUI frontends for it but it is still pretty amazing

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BULLE:

SavageOne: well, imho, gentoo is not at all as easy to use, as say ubuntu or fedora

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SavageOne:

yeah I'm liking ubuntu so far

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SavageOne:

it's doable for the grammas and grandpas out there no doubt

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Fifth:

BULLE, SavageOne yah like I said....more for those wanting to learn/tweak/customize linux.....vs. dists like ubuntu shielding the user from the real back-end stuff

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SavageOne:

fifth: I'd argue against ubuntu "shielding" you from any backend stuff hehe

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BULLE:

i would argue against it aswell

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BULLE:

on the merit that portage does just that, shield you from the real stuff

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Fifth:

true, but ubuntu adds wizards doesn't it?

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SavageOne:

it HAS wizards

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BULLE:

typing "emerge mythtv" doesnt make me and more clued or smart, then typing "apt-get install mythtv"

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SavageOne:

you don't need to use em

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SavageOne:

exactly

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Fifth:

yar true

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SavageOne:

so ubuntu has expanded on things but not taken anything away

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Fifth:

makes sense, I've used debian before plenty, was my first distro

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Fifth:

but hated dealing with custom php /apache compiles

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SavageOne:

I don't get that in depth honestly

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SavageOne:

I do a TON of stuff w/ windows and 2003 server

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SavageOne:

and I'm an avid open source kinda guy but I gotta support what they got you know hehe

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Fifth:

yep I'm an MCSE

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Fifth:

shrug

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SavageOne:

I'm looing for somet6hing that's a nice one of those windows active directory clones

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SavageOne:

there;s a few out there that claim to do it

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Ravi1974:

YAAY! My HDHomeRun is shipping out today :)

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Fifth:

WOOT talked my wife into a PVR150

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Fifth:

for $50

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SavageOne:

haha

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SavageOne:

he's wipped

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Mattwj2005:

Merry Christmas everyone :)

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Mattwj2005:

good luck with that pvr-150 ;)

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woodwizzle:

In mythmusic, when you get to comma seperate your list of visualizers and you don't check the change visualizer every song, how does mythmusic decide which to use?

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scott_:

Merry Christmas Mattwj2005!!!!!!!!!

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scott_:

Fifth: from CompUSA w/ rebate?

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Mattwj2005:

and Happy New Years to you too scott_ :)

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woodwizzle:

Fifth, whats the difference between a 150 and a 250?

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Fifth:

scott_, on from newegg

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Fifth:

scott_, er no*

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Fifth:

woodwizzle, not sure about 250, I was only comparing 150, 350, and 500

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woodwizzle:

I have a 250, but I might consider adding a 150 for 50$ if its worth it

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Fifth:

woodwizzle, yah newegg.com had some good deals I thought

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Mattwj2005:

I just never had luck with drivers :)

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Mattwj2005:

"kernel modules" I mean

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xris:

woodwizzle: 150 is newer, has a slightly better chip set in the tuner (but not the encoder)

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woodwizzle:

xris, does it still have an encoder?

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Fifth:

yah

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woodwizzle:

most of 'em, at least the 50$ ones don't have the IR port which is a bummer for most, but I can live without that since the 250 has one

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woodwizzle:

fifth, using a remote with it is pretty sweet though, i'd opt for the one with the remote

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Fifth:

woodwizzle, true true

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woodwizzle:

it works with lirc too if its the same hauppauge remote as I have

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Fifth:

woodwizzle, I just wanted cheap right now, new mortgage to deal with, so if I wanted to take it further later on, I'd get another card prob

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Paladine:

hey juski you awake?

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xris:

woodwizzle: of course

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xris:

woodwizzle: btw, there was a pvr-150 rebate deal at compusa recently. might still be there. search techbargains.com

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woodwizzle:

Is it possible to make mythmusic use the albumart visualizer, and only switch to goom if an album can't be found?

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juski:

Paladine: just finished watching torchwood, so yeah – BARELY awake

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Paladine:

I forgot what i was gonna say now hehehe

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Paladine:

torchwood was a bit slow this week

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Paladine:

also made the missus soppy

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juski:

haha

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juski:

it's ok but it ain't scifi

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Paladine:

oops I never even noticed I was doing that, thats lucky

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Paladine:

sharpening my straight edge razor whilst watching tv is probably not a good thing to do

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juski:

you can still buy them?

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Paladine:

think so yeah

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Paladine:

I have had mine for years

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juski:

I bet

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Paladine:

I don't use it for shaving

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juski:

me & my best man went hunting for a traditional shave shop in newcastle on my wedding day.. nothing doing & everyone just looked at us funny

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juski:

ahh it'll be for the sacrifices to get linux working properly, that blade ;)

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Paladine:

its for chopping my meds

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juski:

recite the asla incantations while slitting a goat's throat.. been there myself

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juski:

anyhoos.. I'm off to bed. watching torchwood has sapped my will to stay awake

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juski:

g'night

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Paladine:

night

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