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| [00:07:00] | nasa: | informavore: no fiirware needed for the 5500 |
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| [00:22:17] | jumpaholic: | hi all, im getting a new mobo & processor for my myth box, and i'm pretty sure i'll have to reinstall the OS.... i was using ubuntu before, but felt like it was a bit of a hassle since it installed a bunch of stuff i didnt need that i later had to get rid of, plus installing the pvr-500 drivers and configuring it otherwise wasnt all that convenient |
| [00:22:45] | jumpaholic: | im wondering, should i maybe try another distro that makes setting up the damn thing a bit faster & easier? which distro? |
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| [01:03:07] | nasa: | Does anyone else have trouble getting mythtv and zap2it channel listings to sync? |
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| [01:04:56] | Ediehow: | anyone use pvr px-tv100u w/linux? |
| [01:05:06] | cesman: | gbee: next time someone asks and I'm out.... |
| [01:05:18] | cesman: | the answer is 'When it is done' |
| [01:06:28] | Ediehow: | isn't divx mpeg4? |
| [01:07:38] | Ediehow: | i guess it is software encoding |
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| [01:13:11] | scott_: | for firewire enabled STB if I can change channels via firewire does that mean it's activated? I can't seem to grab any data over firewire with all the firewire testers, is it my fault or does the cable company have to specifically allow data transfer over firewire? |
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| [01:38:55] | voidmage: | Is there any fix for the PVR 500's issues with the samsung tuners, or is that a hardware problem? |
| [01:42:15] | GreyFoxx: | the people in #ivtv-dev or the ivtv mailing list are likely more knowledgable about that |
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| [01:43:37] | nasa: | is there a way to rebuild the database in mythtv? |
| [01:45:11] | jacob: | i have a pvr-500, ivtv loads, capture works using mplayer /dev/video0, but i get a black screen in livetv mode and the message VIDIOCGMBUF: Invalid argument |
| [01:45:17] | jacob: | any clues? |
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| [01:45:54] | GreyFoxx: | jacob: Sounds normally that message comes up when someone tells myth it's the wrong card type |
| [01:46:16] | GreyFoxx: | nasa: Not really only that to drop the entire db and start from scratch |
| [01:46:25] | GreyFoxx: | Is something missing ? |
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| [01:47:46] | jacob: | i've checked in mythtv-setup and it is set to mpeg-2 card |
| [01:48:03] | jacob: | ivtv detects both tuners correctly |
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| [01:49:23] | cesman: | voidmage: I want to say it is fixed in 0.8.1 but I cannot recall |
| [01:49:30] | cesman: | check the ivtv changelog |
| [01:50:06] | GreyFoxx: | jacob: any there is definately no other capture card in your machine? Only time Iv'e seen that error is someone with a bttv tuner set as a mpeg2 card |
| [01:50:57] | jacob: | no, only the two cards |
| [01:51:18] | jacob: | trying removing the cards and readding them |
| [01:51:22] | jacob: | in mythsetup |
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| [01:55:30] | voidmage: | Would buying 2 pvr-150's work as well as the 500? |
| [01:56:14] | mtnbkr: | voidmage: yeah, but it would cost you almost twice as much |
| [01:56:25] | D-side: | actually |
| [01:56:32] | D-side: | two 150s are cheaper than a single 500 |
| [01:57:03] | mtnbkr: | huh< I thought I had seen the 150s for about 129 and the 500 I got was 130 |
| [01:57:08] | voidmage: | I see the 150 for $50 |
| [01:57:24] | voidmage: | or $90-ish with a remote |
| [01:57:44] | mtnbkr: | oops 150s I thought I saw were 119 Wow... I must have been looking at the 350 then? |
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| [01:59:01] | D-side: | mtnbkr: i don't think anyone cares about 350s |
| [01:59:26] | mtnbkr: | personally I like the 2-tuner with 1 input on my 500 |
| [01:59:38] | mistone: | so is there a tourtial somewhere where I can see how to setup the recording profiles, because if I don't use MPEG1 then it skip alot of frames |
| [02:00:09] | GreyFoxx: | mishehu: what kind of processor are you playing on ? |
| [02:00:11] | mistone: | or does that just mean my cpu and graphics card sucks( I do't have XvMc) |
| [02:00:22] | mistone: | 3 ghz p4 I am pretty sure |
| [02:00:30] | mistone: | more then 2 ghz fo sure |
| [02:00:34] | GreyFoxx: | that should be more than fine |
| [02:00:36] | mtnbkr: | D-side: youmight as well just ignore me tonight. :) I have been having some serious issues with mythbackend just stopping responding to the frontends, and not recording, but continuing to querty the database and continue logging... |
| [02:00:52] | mistone: | yea but I don't have xvmc |
| [02:01:02] | mtnbkr: | someone here told me that I need to use mysql 4x NOT 5x 'cause they said there were issues with myth & mysql 5 |
| [02:01:03] | GreyFoxx: | mishehu: You don't need it |
| [02:01:21] | mtnbkr: | working on that downgrade now. heh |
| [02:01:24] | GreyFoxx: | mtnbkr: That is very old advice |
| [02:01:34] | mtnbkr: | just to "conform" |
| [02:01:46] | GreyFoxx: | 0.20 is perfectly fine with mysql 5 |
| [02:01:48] | mistone: | like even using mpeg1 the CPU is still at 100% mythfrontend is at like 20% and xorg is at 50 |
| [02:02:02] | mistone: | in mpeg2 its like mythfrontend 25 and xorg the rest of my CPU |
| [02:02:28] | GreyFoxx: | mishehu: Sounds like you don';t have the right video driver loaded so all scaling is happenning in CPU instead of accelerated by your video card |
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| [02:02:55] | mistone: | you mean me ? lol |
| [02:03:01] | GreyFoxx: | yes |
| [02:03:23] | mistone: | yea but it says I have XV support |
| [02:03:47] | mistone: | oh |
| [02:03:56] | mtnbkr: | GreyFoxx: well, my mythbackend just stops responding to the frontends. randomly. just grasping straws at this point. |
| [02:03:59] | mistone: | is there a way to like tset that |
| [02:04:12] | Fifth: | Anyone use MythTV on a dual proc system ? |
| [02:04:59] | mtnbkr: | Fifth: mine is AMD Athlon64 X2 |
| [02:05:02] | cesman: | does hyperthreading count? ;) |
| [02:05:09] | Fifth: | mtnbkr, haha nice |
| [02:05:12] | D-side: | same here. |
| [02:05:14] | D-side: | 3800+ |
| [02:05:22] | Fifth: | mtnbkr, how would dual 400 go? too slow, ya think? |
| [02:05:31] | D-side: | for a backend? |
| [02:05:51] | D-side: | maybe if you had pvr cards and never thought about doing anything like comflagging or transcoding |
| [02:06:08] | D-side: | i dunno though. thats pretty damn slow |
| [02:06:08] | Fifth: | hmm |
| [02:06:11] | Fifth: | yah lolz |
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| [02:06:15] | Fifth: | have a Dell PowerEdge 2300 |
| [02:06:40] | Fifth: | trying to figure out if it'd even be possible as mythtv box |
| [02:06:49] | Fifth: | or if it'd be worth it even |
| [02:06:50] | Fifth: | heh |
| [02:06:54] | GreyFoxx: | as a backend sure |
| [02:07:02] | Fifth: | so backend as in? |
| [02:07:09] | D-side: | you don' |
| [02:07:10] | Fifth: | not connected to the tv? |
| [02:07:14] | D-side: | t play back video from it |
| [02:07:19] | D-side: | right. |
| [02:07:20] | Fifth: | oooh |
| [02:07:23] | mtnbkr: | D-side: earlier you mentioned not using commflaggin... I have noticed strangeness with commflagging here... skipping commercial sometimes jumps to the next commercial I have not tweaked any commflagging settings yet... Need to fix the backend hanging issue first. :-/ |
| [02:07:24] | GreyFoxx: | fith: Myth broken into 2 pieces |
| [02:07:27] | GreyFoxx: | a backend that records |
| [02:07:31] | GreyFoxx: | and afrontend that plays |
| [02:07:37] | Fifth: | oh ok |
| [02:07:38] | GreyFoxx: | they don't have to be on the same machine :) |
| [02:07:39] | D-side: | mtnbkr: my fix for commflagging was to stop commflagging. |
| [02:07:47] | D-side: | i use 30sec jump buttons |
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| [02:08:18] | eps: | does mythtv support Pinnacle 310i? |
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| [02:08:31] | mistone: | brb |
| [02:08:32] | eps: | or more importantly what is a good digital tuner to buy that mythtv supports? |
| [02:08:35] | GreyFoxx: | eps: The real question is does linux support it |
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| [02:08:43] | Fifth: | GreyFoxx, oh cool. So recording would work fine but to playback I'd have to play on my P4 or something? Does the P4 need to be dedicated to that or can it be for other uses too then? |
| [02:08:52] | eps: | GreyFoxx right well that changes the question to 'which card should I buy' |
| [02:09:12] | GreyFoxx: | fith: Doesn't have to be dedicated no |
| [02:09:47] | Fifth: | GreyFoxx, So does encoding happen on the back or front end usually? |
| [02:09:58] | GreyFoxx: | backend |
| [02:10:12] | mtnbkr: | D-side: :) |
| [02:10:23] | GreyFoxx: | which is why most by cards like the pvr 150 which do mpeg compression on the card |
| [02:10:26] | D-side: | mtnbkr: not even kidding |
| [02:10:35] | Fifth: | GreyFoxx, oh cool so I'd just need hardware compression |
| [02:11:10] | mtnbkr: | D-side: yeah, if it was 100% it would be awesome. 30 sec skips are 100% |
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| [02:11:25] | GreyFoxx: | Fifth: One of the devs (guy who does the commflag code) uses a celerson 333(or 366) as his backend with 3 or 4 hardware encoding cards |
| [02:11:31] | D-side: | mtnbkr: its always a multiple of 30sec for commercials. |
| [02:11:39] | Fifth: | GreyFoxx, ah cool |
| [02:11:40] | D-side: | GreyFoxx: no shit? |
| [02:11:54] | Fifth: | GreyFoxx, do the cards work together? |
| [02:12:01] | GreyFoxx: | D-side: Yep |
| [02:12:17] | GreyFoxx: | CM has that for his backend |
| [02:13:17] | GreyFoxx: | Fifth: How do you mean "together" ? |
| [02:13:43] | Fifth: | GreyFoxx, well do they just record separate channels at the same time or something? |
| [02:13:55] | GreyFoxx: | yes |
| [02:14:06] | GreyFoxx: | each is an independant tuner/capture device |
| [02:14:18] | Fifth: | gotcha |
| [02:14:22] | GreyFoxx: | so he can record 3 or 4 at once while also watching |
| [02:14:53] | Fifth: | nice |
| [02:14:54] | D-side: | i've got two cards and a firewire connection from my cable box. |
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| [02:15:29] | Fifth: | so whats transcoding / cornflagging since I wouldnt be abl eto do them? |
| [02:15:39] | GreyFoxx: | you could |
| [02:15:45] | GreyFoxx: | just wouldn't be super fast is all |
| [02:15:48] | D-side: | GreyFoxx: on a dual 400?! |
| [02:15:50] | D-side: | oh i see |
| [02:15:58] | D-side: | i'm saying "forget it, it'll take you weeks" |
| [02:16:12] | GreyFoxx: | there are 24 hours in aday |
| [02:16:15] | D-side: | its not impossible, i'm just of the opinion that its very ,very silly. |
| [02:16:16] | Fifth: | gotcha |
| [02:16:19] | Fifth: | what do they do tho? |
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| [02:16:39] | D-side: | transcoding converts the mpeg2 sttream you get from a tuner card to whatever format you like |
| [02:16:46] | Fifth: | ah |
| [02:17:02] | D-side: | commflagging reads through the mpeg file and tries to detect commercials |
| [02:17:03] | Fifth: | lol nice |
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| [02:17:27] | zakat: | i have the frontend and backend on the same host, both running, but when i try to manually schedule a recording it doesn't show up in the upcoming recordings or end up recording |
| [02:17:35] | zakat: | is there any reason this would happen? |
| [02:18:01] | crudpuppy: | is the latest knoppmyth r5d1 have mythtv 0.20? |
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| [02:19:34] | nasa: | Thanks for the info GreyFoxx |
| [02:21:35] | mistone: | hey could this be the issue : |
| [02:21:35] | mistone: | Xine's xxmc driver falls back to Xv when it cannot use hardware decoding |
| [02:21:37] | mistone: | acceleration for a video stream, but it normally doesn't use as many |
| [02:21:38] | mistone: | frames in the frame queue as the Xv driver does, and may not enable the |
| [02:21:39] | mistone: | same deinterlacing. This could perhaps explain the difference. |
| [02:22:06] | mistone: | because myth does check for xvmc then falls back to xv for me |
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| [02:30:41] | nasa: | Anyone have luck with comcast and QAM? |
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| [02:34:00] | pembo13_com: | looking for advice on setting up mythtv with a cable box |
| [02:34:54] | nasa: | pembo13_com: your going to need to be a little more specific |
| [02:36:04] | pembo13_com: | nasa: cool... |
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| [02:36:43] | pembo13_com: | i'm setting up a Fedora Core 6 box for a friend with an already working Win Tv PCI analog tv card with an ir receiver and blaster port on board... |
| [02:37:09] | D-side: | uh |
| [02:37:14] | D-side: | and you want that to work with a cable box? |
| [02:37:18] | pembo13_com: | friend uses computer as sole tv, formerly in windows, tv time works just fine, however, all channel changing has to be done with remote |
| [02:37:47] | D-side: | i mean i guess you can set the tuner card to channel 3 and then dump the coax out from the cable box into the card, and use an ir blaster to change channels |
| [02:37:51] | D-side: | but man thats revolting |
| [02:37:59] | pembo13_com: | what i want to know is what do i need to do to make use of the ir blaster on the WinTV card to control the cable box as i know is possibl |
| [02:38:12] | D-side: | you don't. |
| [02:38:24] | pembo13_com: | Disputin: it's going to composite in as things are |
| [02:38:28] | D-side: | the ir on the wintv card isn't a blaster, its for use with its remote. |
| [02:38:38] | D-side: | i.e. its a receiver, not a transmitter |
| [02:38:49] | pembo13_com: | D-side: it suposed to be, there is both a transmitter and a receiver |
| [02:38:59] | D-side: | you're sure? if so, then thats a job for lirc |
| [02:39:00] | nasa: | But he could add in a transmitter (via serial) |
| [02:39:25] | pembo13_com: | D-side: yes i'm sure...however, i haven't yet found an irc channel for lirc, and i have no either what to search for |
| [02:39:41] | D-side: | uh |
| [02:39:50] | pembo13_com: | nasa: that's my second plan if i can't get the ir on the card to work |
| [02:39:51] | D-side: | google for wintv ir blaster lirc? |
| [02:39:59] | D-side: | pembo13_com: the second plan is a better plan. :) |
| [02:40:08] | pembo13_com: | D-side: that's an idea |
| [02:40:14] | D-side: | a better plan still is to pick up a pvr-150 and get rid of that bttv card. |
| [02:40:26] | pembo13_com: | D-side: the second idea causes delay to finishing, and cost |
| [02:40:28] | nasa: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Using_an . . . _with_MythTV |
| [02:40:35] | D-side: | get something with AV jacks for input |
| [02:40:58] | nasa: | but if he's cheap, like me, a serial ir blaster is like $15 |
| [02:41:32] | pembo13_com: | nasa: where can i get one of those....i've only checked ebay so far |
| [02:41:48] | nasa: | look at the posted link.... very bottom |
| [02:42:29] | pembo13_com: | nasa: thanls |
| [02:42:36] | nasa: | np |
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| [02:44:25] | pembo13_com: | is there any sure way of finding the model number of the tv card? the pci id seems no unique |
| [02:44:27] | pembo13_com: | npn* |
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| [02:45:00] | nasa: | sorry, outside my comfort area :} |
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| [02:45:13] | pembo13_com: | nasa: airie |
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| [02:55:00] | mistone: | OH SNAP |
| [02:55:05] | mistone: | glxgears is 100 % cpu |
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| [02:58:44] | sigger_2_: | pembo13_com: ##lirc used to get some activity |
| [02:58:58] | pembo13_com: | sigger_2_: thanks |
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| [03:12:17] | sandeen: | if I have, say, ABC on 3 channels on 2 tuners (digital SD, digital HDTV, and analog) does myth know how to work out conflicts by finding it on another tuner? |
| [03:13:45] | sandeen: | if I have something else using the digital tuner in that timeslot, for example, can myth find ABC on the analog tuner on another channel... |
| [03:16:03] | D-side: | sure. |
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| [03:19:42] | Varanger: | hello |
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| [03:24:38] | sandeen: | hm i think all the noise from my PC on the cable is affecting my tv's picture |
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| [03:30:52] | mistone: | hrm now glxgears i at 20% is that reasonable |
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| [03:55:39] | sbrath: | Anyone else have a problem where MythTV claims /dev/dsp is in use already when trying to watch live tv or even a recording, but aplay works fine? |
| [03:57:57] | robbins876: | d-side: you around>? |
| [04:02:01] | eps: | so no one uses the pinnacle pctv 310i? and if not what digital tuner do you recommend |
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| [04:16:11] | eps: | if a card is supported under linux (has a driver and shows tv in xawtv) will it work under mythtv? |
| [04:19:45] | sandeen: | most likely. what card, what driver? |
| [04:20:06] | mistone: | ok so if I am in the US and I have cable the stream is in NTSC right? |
| [04:20:31] | cesman: | yes |
| [04:21:35] | eps: | pinnacle 310i |
| [04:21:46] | eps: | http://www.linuxtv.org/v4lwiki/index.php/Pinnacle_PCTV_310i |
| [04:21:52] | eps: | I haven't bought it yet |
| [04:22:01] | eps: | but may today |
| [04:22:48] | mistone: | then why when I set the encoders image size to 576 to 320 the video stops lagging |
| [04:23:11] | mistone: | but the image is "jumpy" |
| [04:23:42] | eps: | I'm getting the impression that practically no one under linux has ever bought the pinnacle 310i? |
| [04:23:59] | eps: | anyway it is a DVB-t card with support (it seems) under v4l |
| [04:24:10] | eps: | the chipsets are listed in the link just up there |
| [04:24:12] | Dr_willis: | Hmm.. recorded several shows today (on my new setup) and its not tagged the comercials yet. Wonder if i missed a setting somewhere. |
| [04:24:38] | cesman: | eps: I wouldn't think so since it is support via v4l |
| [04:24:48] | eps: | cesman explain? |
| [04:25:06] | cesman: | explain what? |
| [04:25:16] | cesman: | it has a page on the v4l wiki, so it must work |
| [04:25:18] | eps: | explain why you don't think so |
| [04:25:34] | cesman: | I just did |
| [04:25:37] | eps: | okay, so if it must work are my chances good that it will work with mythtx |
| [04:25:38] | sandeen: | he thinks that you are wrong that nobody has bought it |
| [04:25:40] | eps: | tv* |
| [04:25:44] | sandeen: | clearly someone has, they documented it |
| [04:25:53] | cesman: | unless pinnacle donated teh cards, someone purchased the cards to test... |
| [04:26:09] | eps: | so if it must work are my chances good that it will work with mythtv? |
| [04:26:14] | cesman: | sandeen right |
| [04:26:31] | sandeen: | eps, yes |
| [04:26:35] | eps: | thank you :) |
| [04:26:43] | cesman: | since it is v4l, yes |
| [04:26:58] | eps: | good; thank you for explaining that :) |
| [04:27:05] | ** eps wanders off to buy one ** | |
| [04:27:07] | cesman: | you're welcome |
| [04:27:54] | sandeen: | "excuse me, I speak jive..." :) |
| [04:31:34] | ** xris wonders how a dvb card can be v4l ** | |
| [04:32:13] | sandeen: | my dvb card has analog on it too....? |
| [04:34:03] | xris: | sandeen: but doesn't that defeat the purpose of dvb? |
| [04:34:15] | sandeen: | if you tune in the analog yeah I guess |
| [04:34:24] | sandeen: | dunno I know it's -there- but i've not set it up or used it |
| [04:34:29] | xris: | better to recommend to eps that he/she get a properly-supported dvb card rather than one that might only work in analog mode? |
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| [04:37:16] | CharlieSu: | I've got a pvr150 and i have ivtv installed but when i cat /dev/video0 to a file it creates an empty file.. doesn't seem to work.. any clues? |
| [04:37:31] | sandeen: | xris, the page also mentions a dvb frontend |
| [04:37:46] | sandeen: | modprobe saa7134-dvb |
| [04:37:51] | xris: | sandeen: good enough. I only saw what eps said. |
| [04:37:57] | xris: | CharlieSu: firmware files installed properly? |
| [04:38:26] | CharlieSu: | umm. not sure.. what should i be looking for? URL please |
| [04:39:12] | xris: | CharlieSu: when I had a pvr-150, I grabbed them via yum. They come on the install disk with the pvr-150. I'm sure a quick google search would tell you what to do. |
| [04:39:33] | CharlieSu: | xris: this is linux your talking about right? |
| [04:39:42] | xris: | CharlieSu: yes. |
| [04:39:43] | CharlieSu: | xris: there is firmware for linux on CD? |
| [04:39:44] | CharlieSu: | ok |
| [04:39:49] | sandeen: | CharlieSu, http://ivtvdriver.org/index.php/Howto |
| [04:39:55] | xris: | CharlieSu: the firmware is for the card, not for the OS. |
| [04:40:12] | xris: | it's not like a mobo firmware updater or anything. driver just needs the firmware to initiate the card. |
| [04:40:30] | xris: | sandeen: thanks |
| [04:40:55] | sandeen: | so I found a page comparing pvr-250 and 150 picture. 250 looks nicer, I didn't even know they had 2 different chips |
| [04:40:57] | CharlieSu: | xris: ohh.. wow.. didn't know that.. hope i can figure this out |
| [04:41:11] | sandeen: | CharlieSu, if the firmware is in teh right place on your fs it's easy |
| [04:41:13] | sandeen: | CharlieSu, what distro? |
| [04:41:23] | CharlieSu: | sandeen: gentoo |
| [04:41:37] | sandeen: | then I have no idea :) but I bet there are 3 howtos out there :) |
| [04:41:40] | xris: | sandeen: that's odd. 150 usually gets the better reviews. there are many versions of each card, though. |
| [04:41:52] | CharlieSu: | xris: i have 1045 |
| [04:41:55] | sandeen: | my picture kinda sucks too, but I think it's pci interference on the cable or something |
| [04:42:08] | xris: | sandeen: or just that analog cable sucks. |
| [04:42:14] | sandeen: | http://capnbry.net/~bmayland/fi/pvr150/ |
| [04:42:21] | sandeen: | xris, well it looked ok on my tivo before |
| [04:42:30] | sandeen: | though now I have one more splitter in line.... but downstream of the tivo |
| [04:42:35] | sandeen: | and now my tivo picture is worse too :) |
| [04:42:41] | sandeen: | (yes, the tivo is not long for this world....) |
| [04:42:47] | xris: | sandeen: yeah, that MIGHT make a difference. heh. |
| [04:42:52] | in8__: | too many splits in the line... |
| [04:43:05] | sandeen: | only 3 devices on the line total though |
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| [04:44:11] | in8__: | juski you alive in here? |
| [04:45:40] | in8__: | anyone know what the price would be for one of those s100's on juski's site or where I might find one.... I've tried google but to no avail. |
| [04:46:40] | in8__: | I'd like my "desktop" computer back.... I have myth on display :0.1 |
| [04:48:14] | in8__: | can't game.... web sites with audio are DAMN annoying.... |
| [04:49:45] | xris: | in8__: it's the middle of the night for juski.. he won't pop on for a few more hours. |
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| [04:50:40] | in8__: | ahhh.... just seemed like he was *ALWAYS* here... :) |
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| [04:51:29] | md10md: | Little help her, anyone know how to get around "opened disk read-only" in KnoppMyth with 2 320GB sata seagates |
| [04:51:33] | md10md: | in hardware raid 1 |
| [04:51:42] | md10md: | on an epox 9-hdai |
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| [04:54:46] | robbins876: | i have onboard sound, i'm trying to use teamspeak and play a game online, but i'm only getting sound from teamseapk, is there a way to fix that or do i need to install a better sound card? |
| [04:56:38] | Dr_willis: | Creative has some very nice sound cards for decent prices these days. :) |
| [04:57:22] | Dr_willis: | your sound issues depend on the game and how its accessing the sound card also. |
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| [05:03:06] | robbins876: | Anyone know about my last question? |
| [05:05:08] | xris: | robbins876: trying to figure out how it relates to mythtv |
| [05:05:23] | xris: | but it sounds like you need to enable software mixing. |
| [05:05:54] | robbins876: | i asked here because you guys always seem to have the answers |
| [05:06:08] | robbins876: | where do i enable software mixing? |
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| [05:24:23] | frank__: | i have mythtv and mythfrontend setuid root but trying to play video gives the realtime priority would require SUID root message |
| [05:24:31] | frank__: | does anyone have any ideas about this? |
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| [05:26:02] | luke_: | I'd like to build a mythbox for my mom for christmas, but I'm afraid that she wont be able to use it. |
| [05:26:15] | luke_: | Any of you guys set up a box for moms? |
| [05:26:57] | luke_: | I have my mythserver, but in order to pipe it to the tv, I have to change my resolution, in X and use the composite line. |
| [05:27:08] | luke_: | is there a way to just go coax in, coax out.. |
| [05:27:10] | luke_: | like a vcr? |
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| [05:32:54] | cesman: | that is a tough one... |
| [05:33:27] | Dr_willis: | hmm |
| [05:33:28] | luke_: | its just got to be easy for my mom to watch tv. |
| [05:33:36] | luke_: | she's not gonna get up and sit at the keyboard |
| [05:33:56] | ** sandeen realizes that his crummy playback tonight was due to cpu frequency scaling... whoops ** | |
| [05:33:57] | Dr_willis: | so you use X at one res. for 'work' then some times want to use it with tv out eh? |
| [05:33:57] | cesman: | you don't have to have her sit at a keyboard |
| [05:34:03] | cesman: | a remote works just fine |
| [05:34:19] | luke_: | dr_willis, thats what I do, yes, although her res should be alright. |
| [05:34:28] | sandeen: | luke_, I don't think the hardest part will be connecting to the tv |
| [05:34:42] | cesman: | does her tv has svideo in? |
| [05:34:42] | luke_: | sandeen, what do you expect to be the challenge then? |
| [05:34:46] | luke_: | no. |
| [05:34:52] | sandeen: | fixing all the crap that will inevitably break ;-) |
| [05:35:00] | Dr_willis: | luke_, Hmm... well under KDE, i recall where each user could have a specific resolution. |
| [05:35:12] | Dr_willis: | but thats a bit disrto/X version specific i think. |
| [05:35:29] | luke_: | sandeen, I'm confidient about configuring mythtv to work, I've done it a few times, I'm just not sure that after I buy all the hardware and build the box for her, that she'll be able to use it |
| [05:36:08] | sandeen: | well, composite or svideo out is easy enough no? and the remote is reasonably intuitive I think |
| [05:36:19] | sandeen: | but you know for a mom, I'd probably spring for a tivo, it's just dead simple :) |
| [05:36:20] | cesman: | you are building her. her own box? |
| [05:36:25] | sandeen: | heresy, I know :) |
| [05:36:39] | luke_: | I would spring for the tivo, but its the monthly fee that bothers me. |
| [05:36:48] | luke_: | I don't want to pay tivo every month |
| [05:36:49] | Dr_willis: | My Tv/Video out can handle some very high res's :) so i dont have to mess with it much. |
| [05:37:17] | luke_: | cesman, yeah, her own box unless theres a way to let her just use mine |
| [05:37:26] | Dr_willis: | ya could cheat and use a SVGA to tv adaptor. :) |
| [05:37:27] | luke_: | I mean, we are in the same house and all. |
| [05:37:36] | cesman: | if she is going to get her own box, what is the problem? |
| [05:37:52] | cesman: | get a video card w/ composite out (if you can find one) |
| [05:38:21] | luke_: | well, theres a few questions. |
| [05:38:26] | luke_: | she's gonna want to still use her vcr. |
| [05:38:30] | luke_: | to play back tapes. |
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| [05:38:47] | sandeen: | is it hooked up via coax on channel 3? |
| [05:38:48] | sandeen: | :) |
| [05:38:51] | sandeen: | or composite |
| [05:38:55] | luke_: | coax |
| [05:38:59] | cesman: | or get a svideo to composite converter (Radio Shack) |
| [05:39:00] | sandeen: | then you're golden |
| [05:39:05] | luke_: | just coax out to myth? |
| [05:39:06] | luke_: | nice. |
| [05:39:09] | cesman: | yes, use multiple inputs of tele... |
| [05:39:17] | sandeen: | no, composite out to myth |
| [05:39:30] | luke_: | wait. |
| [05:39:31] | cesman: | vcr to via via coax |
| [05:39:32] | sandeen: | i don't know of anything that does coax/rf out from the pc |
| [05:39:35] | CharlieSu: | Anyone here use Gentoo with mythtv? |
| [05:39:39] | luke_: | cable->myth->vcr->tv? |
| [05:39:40] | cesman: | myth to tv via composite |
| [05:39:48] | luke_: | charlie, my frontend is gentoo |
| [05:39:53] | sandeen: | vcr to tv via coax/rf, myth to tv via composite |
| [05:40:15] | sandeen: | use the tv input selector |
| [05:40:18] | CharlieSu: | luke_: have you ever done ivtv and gentoo? pvr-150 maybe? |
| [05:40:34] | sandeen: | or if you're really adventurous hook the composite from the vcr to the composite in on your pvr-150, and... :) |
| [05:40:35] | luke_: | charlie, yeah, thats what I've got. |
| [05:40:56] | sandeen: | http://ivtvdriver.org/index.php/Howto:Gentoo |
| [05:40:58] | luke_: | pvr-150 |
| [05:40:58] | CharlieSu: | luke_: but your backend does it have gentoo? |
| [05:41:01] | sandeen: | CharlieSu, have you tried google? :) |
| [05:41:09] | CharlieSu: | sandeen: that is soooo out of date |
| [05:41:14] | sandeen: | ah |
| [05:41:16] | luke_: | Not any more, but I did set up the backend on gentoo with the pvr150. |
| [05:41:24] | luke_: | I've since moved the backend to a debian server. |
| [05:41:54] | CharlieSu: | luke_: debian or ubuntu? |
| [05:42:00] | luke_: | debian |
| [05:42:16] | luke_: | it worked fine on gentoo though |
| [05:42:23] | luke_: | after a few nights of messing around |
| [05:42:28] | CharlieSu: | luke_: i'm about to die over here.. i've been trying all night.. |
| [05:42:33] | luke_: | and your right, the stuff on google is difficult to weed through |
| [05:42:36] | luke_: | where are you at? |
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| [05:42:56] | CharlieSu: | luke_: can i start private window with you? |
| [05:43:40] | luke_: | charliesu, I'm not sure how to handle private windows in bitchx |
| [05:44:11] | sandeen: | CharlieSu, do you have anything in /lib/firmware |
| [05:44:20] | CharlieSu: | sandeen: gentoo doesn't need that... |
| [05:44:24] | luke_: | CharlieSu, yeah bro, I can see it, but I can't msg you. Whats wrong with chatting in channel. |
| [05:44:30] | sandeen: | so you don't need firmware....? |
| [05:44:31] | luke_: | where are you stuck? |
| [05:45:01] | CharlieSu: | luke_: i have ivtv loaded but my /dev/video0 doesn't work right.. |
| [05:45:06] | cesman: | I believe you have to be registered to query |
| [05:45:12] | sandeen: | (yep) |
| [05:45:29] | sandeen: | CharlieSu, |
| [05:45:29] | sandeen: | ivtv0: loaded v4l-cx2341x-enc.fw firmware (262144 bytes) |
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| [05:45:39] | tcpsyn: | thats better |
| [05:45:41] | sandeen: | anything like that? |
| [05:45:49] | cesman: | CharlieSu: it would help if you gave more detail than "doesn't work" |
| [05:46:06] | tcpsyn: | charliesu, what do you get in /var/log/messages when you load the driver |
| [05:46:15] | sandeen: | or dmesg | grep ivtv |
| [05:46:33] | tcpsyn: | I had the same problems. |
| [05:46:58] | CharlieSu: | [#mythtv-users] also i think that mythtv |
| [05:47:17] | CharlieSu: | ivtv0: Autodetected Hauppauge card (cx23416 based) |
| [05:47:17] | CharlieSu: | ivtv0: loaded v4l-cx2341x-enc.fw firmware (262144 bytes) |
| [05:47:20] | CharlieSu: | that is what i get |
| [05:47:26] | tcpsyn: | theres more than that |
| [05:47:45] | tcpsyn: | it should say -------start ------ and then ------stop------- |
| [05:47:47] | CharlieSu: | ok.. sec... let me kill channell |
| [05:47:52] | CharlieSu: | ivtv: ==================== START INIT IVTV ==================== |
| [05:47:52] | CharlieSu: | ivtv: version 0.9.1 (tagged release) loading |
| [05:47:52] | CharlieSu: | ivtv: Linux version: 2.6.19-gentoo-r2 SMP mod_unload PENTIUM4 REGPARM |
| [05:47:53] | CharlieSu: | ivtv: In case of problems please include the debug info between |
| [05:47:53] | CharlieSu: | ivtv: the START INIT IVTV and END INIT IVTV lines, along with |
| [05:47:54] | CharlieSu: | ivtv: any module options, when mailing the ivtv-users mailinglist. |
| [05:47:57] | CharlieSu: | ivtv0: Autodetected Hauppauge card (cx23416 based) |
| [05:47:59] | CharlieSu: | ivtv0: loaded v4l-cx2341x-enc.fw firmware (262144 bytes) |
| [05:48:02] | CharlieSu: | wm8775 0–001b: chip found @ 0x36 (ivtv i2c driver #0) |
| [05:48:05] | CharlieSu: | cx25840 0–0044: cx25841–23 found @ 0x88 (ivtv i2c driver #0) |
| [05:48:05] | tcpsyn: | probably better to pastebin that stuff. |
| [05:48:07] | CharlieSu: | ivtv0: Autodetected Hauppauge WinTV PVR-150 |
| [05:48:09] | CharlieSu: | ivtv0: reopen i2c bus for IR-blaster support |
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| [05:48:10] | tcpsyn: | before someone bitches |
| [05:48:11] | sandeen: | spam ho! :) |
| [05:48:11] | tcpsyn: | heh |
| [05:48:12] | CharlieSu: | wm8775 0–001b: chip found @ 0x36 (ivtv i2c driver #0) |
| [05:48:14] | CharlieSu: | cx25840 0–0044: cx25841–23 found @ 0x88 (ivtv i2c driver #0) |
| [05:48:17] | CharlieSu: | tuner 0–0061: chip found @ 0xc2 (ivtv i2c driver #0) |
| [05:48:19] | CharlieSu: | ivtv0: Encoder revision: 0x02050032 |
| [05:48:22] | CharlieSu: | ivtv0: Registered device video1 for encoder MPEG |
| [05:48:25] | CharlieSu: | ivtv0: Registered device video32 for encoder YUV |
| [05:48:27] | CharlieSu: | ivtv0: Registered device vbi0 for encoder VBI |
| [05:48:29] | CharlieSu: | ivtv0: Registered device video24 for encoder PCM audio |
| [05:48:32] | CharlieSu: | ivtv0: Initialized Hauppauge WinTV PVR-150, card #0 |
| [05:48:35] | CharlieSu: | ivtv: ==================== END INIT IVTV ==================== |
| [05:48:37] | CharlieSu: | sorry everyone else.. they asked for it |
| [05:48:40] | CharlieSu: | i'm in US.. pvr 150 v1045 |
| [05:48:40] | sandeen: | that looks good to you |
| [05:48:42] | CharlieSu: | any clue? |
| [05:48:45] | sandeen: | CharlieSu, www.pastebin.ca |
| [05:48:50] | sandeen: | next time |
| [05:48:52] | tcpsyn: | can you cat /dev/video1 |
| [05:48:53] | tcpsyn: | ? |
| [05:49:09] | CharlieSu: | cat: /dev/video1: Device or resource busy |
| [05:50:16] | tcpsyn: | I had to pass some options to ivtv in modules.conf |
| [05:50:18] | Dr_willis: | cat /dev/video perhaps? |
| [05:50:30] | CharlieSu: | cat /dev/video0 works.. but that isn't ivtv |
| [05:50:35] | CharlieSu: | and it is garbage |
| [05:50:42] | tcpsyn: | garbage is what you want |
| [05:50:50] | tcpsyn: | what is video0? |
| [05:51:01] | Dr_willis: | What are you expectinmg? little people running around the console? :) |
| [05:51:12] | CharlieSu: | tcpsyn: i cat it to .mpg file and it doesn't work |
| [05:51:23] | Dr_willis: | ls -l /dev/video |
| [05:51:23] | Dr_willis: | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 6 Dec 12 07:26 /dev/video -> video0 |
| [05:51:45] | tcpsyn: | if you get garbage, video0 is working. |
| [05:51:57] | tcpsyn: | otherwise it'd just be blank. |
| [05:52:01] | CharlieSu: | tcpsyn: but it isn't ivtv.. it isn't mpg |
| [05:52:09] | CharlieSu: | why would i have video0 anyways? |
| [05:52:13] | CharlieSu: | ivtv is video1 |
| [05:52:41] | tcpsyn: | dmesg | grep tuner |
| [05:52:59] | robbins876: | i wish i didn't have my soundcard in a box at my parents house! |
| [05:53:08] | CharlieSu: | tveeprom 0–0050: tuner model is TCL M2523_5N_E (idx 112, type 50) |
| [05:53:08] | CharlieSu: | tuner 0–0061: chip found @ 0xc2 (ivtv i2c driver #0) |
| [05:53:08] | CharlieSu: | tuner 0–0061: type set to 50 (TCL 2002N) |
| [05:53:47] | tcpsyn: | I think video0 is the tuner. |
| [05:53:52] | CharlieSu: | when in mythtvsetup and i do the pvrx50 option it will not accept video0 |
| [05:54:00] | CharlieSu: | tcpsyn: only video1 |
| [05:54:08] | robbins876: | CharlieSu: for what option? |
| [05:54:19] | tcpsyn: | can you please post /var/log/messages to pastebin |
| [05:54:26] | CharlieSu: | yes.. sec |
| [05:56:47] | CharlieSu: | http://pastebin.ca/279661 |
| [05:56:50] | tcpsyn: | if the pvr-500 can record two channels at the same time.. how come theres only one cable in? |
| [05:56:51] | CharlieSu: | doesn't show much |
| [05:57:03] | sandeen: | tcpsyn, internal split? |
| [05:57:04] | CharlieSu: | tcpsyn: it has two tuners.. it splits it inside.. |
| [05:57:30] | tcpsyn: | charliesu, if it makes you feel better, it took me forever too, but it does work. |
| [05:57:50] | CharlieSu: | tcpsyn: thanks... |
| [05:57:57] | CharlieSu: | tcpsyn: i had it working years ago with ATI all in wonder |
| [05:58:05] | CharlieSu: | tcpsyn: i just can't get this pvr 150 to work |
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| [05:58:20] | Dr_willis: | heh – why would it be better with 2 cable conctions. :) |
| [05:58:30] | Dr_willis: | My PVR150 is working good. I installed KnoppMyth. |
| [05:58:40] | Dr_willis: | I did have to set the right tuner card in the myth setup |
| [05:59:16] | CharlieSu: | Dr_willis: where in myth-setup? |
| [05:59:31] | tcpsyn: | charlie, your system logs differently than mine. |
| [05:59:56] | Dr_willis: | CharlieSu, where you set up the tuners, it wasent the 'first' one it had by default thee was a setting for 'x50-hagupage tuner' i recall |
| [06:00:04] | tcpsyn: | recompiled my kernel with i2c support and tons of debugging |
| [06:00:59] | CharlieSu: | Dr_willis: exactly.. for me it won't let me select video0 only video1.. and that doesn't work.. |
| [06:01:35] | CharlieSu: | Dr_willis: MGEG-2 encoder card option |
| [06:01:44] | tcpsyn: | you said if you cat /dev/video0 > fry.mpg it doesn't work? |
| [06:01:49] | CharlieSu: | PVR-x50, PVR 500 |
| [06:01:55] | CharlieSu: | tcpsyn: yes.. it doesn't |
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| [06:02:05] | CharlieSu: | tcpsyn: and /dev/video1 doesn't either |
| [06:02:26] | tcpsyn: | did you compile your own kernel? |
| [06:02:34] | CharlieSu: | tcpsyn: yes.. |
| [06:02:43] | Dr_willis: | I got mine set to PVR-X50 and /dev/video0 |
| [06:02:45] | CharlieSu: | tcpsyn: i have i2c and my card in there.. |
| [06:02:49] | levander: | Does the WinTV 500 MCE card work with Myth on Linux these days? I thought Myth users were supposed to get the non-MCE version. |
| [06:02:54] | CharlieSu: | Dr_willis: lsmod for me |
| [06:03:02] | tcpsyn: | charlie, get the verbose logging in there |
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| [06:04:15] | tcpsyn: | I compiled everything in i2c as a module and added all the logging I could. |
| [06:04:35] | tcpsyn: | right in the main i2c support thread |
| [06:04:43] | tcpsyn: | core, algorithm, bus, and chip debugging |
| [06:05:29] | CharlieSu: | tcpsyn: if i compile all in as a module for i2c do i just need to modprove ivtv or what? |
| [06:06:02] | tcpsyn: | This is what I did, I don't know if its right, but it got the card working |
| [06:06:51] | tcpsyn: | I compiled everything in i2c as a module, and included the debugging messages, then I recompiled the ivtv module and loaded it, and then once it worked, I removed the debugging, and recompiled the ivtv driver. |
| [06:07:03] | tcpsyn: | everytime the kernel changes, the ivtv module has to be rebuilt. |
| [06:07:23] | tcpsyn: | but yes, the ivtv driver seems to load whatever it needs from modprobe |
| [06:07:38] | CharlieSu: | ivtv has to be rebuilt or re-emerged? |
| [06:07:51] | tcpsyn: | same thing. |
| [06:07:59] | CharlieSu: | tcpsyn: k.. you on gentoo too? |
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| [06:08:19] | Dr_willis: | ya could just link /dev/video to /dev/videowhatever :) |
| [06:08:28] | tcpsyn: | I'm luke_, I was on gentoo, but moved to debian. |
| [06:08:49] | Dr_willis: | night all |
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| [06:09:45] | CharlieSu: | gotcah |
| [06:10:38] | tcpsyn: | its linux... mess with it, mess with it, mess with it... |
| [06:10:39] | tcpsyn: | it works. |
| [06:10:48] | tcpsyn: | heh |
| [06:11:57] | Dagmar: | levander: You were misinformed. The PVR-500 works fine. The ONLY thing MCE means is "white box". |
| [06:12:21] | Dagmar: | i.e., you may or may not get a CD with Windows software on it. Big deal. |
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| [06:12:53] | tcpsyn: | would you go with one pvr-500 or two pvr 150s? |
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| [06:13:02] | Dagmar: | I *have* the one PVR-500. |
| [06:13:08] | levander: | Dagmar: what does "white box" mean? It means retail version and not OEM maybe? |
| [06:13:26] | CharlieSu: | tcpsyn: what is weird is that a channel scan will actually pick up the correct channels.. |
| [06:13:42] | Dagmar: | levander: People aren't expected to build their own MCE boxes. It's not *quite* like an OEM box, but it's pretty close. |
| [06:13:56] | levander: | Dagmar: okay, i get it, thanks |
| [06:14:26] | Dagmar: | I think with the few models that have an IR dongle input, you don't get a remote with the MCE versions, but it seems like Hauppage kinda throws remotes in boxes at random with respect to that |
| [06:14:41] | levander: | Anyone has tried a Logitech Harmony 5500 remote with a WinTV 500? I'm about to buy one to try it unless someone stops me... |
| [06:14:45] | Dagmar: | Thankfully NewEgg generally tells you exactly what's in the box |
| [06:14:52] | tcpsyn: | make sure its set to pvr-x50 |
| [06:14:54] | tcpsyn: | in tuners |
| [06:14:55] | Dagmar: | Too, too expensive. |
| [06:15:38] | tcpsyn: | can I use the ir blaster on the backend to control the frontend? |
| [06:15:44] | tcpsyn: | that would be goofy |
| [06:15:50] | Dagmar: | Yes. |
| [06:15:55] | tcpsyn: | reeeeeallly |
| [06:15:56] | Dagmar: | er yes it would be goofy |
| [06:15:58] | tcpsyn: | oh |
| [06:16:03] | tcpsyn: | damn you |
| [06:16:24] | CharlieSu: | yeah.. it is.. and scanning channels picks up right ones |
| [06:16:30] | Dagmar: | You'd basically be using it like an IR repeater, and it would be painfully complex because well... |
| [06:16:32] | Dagmar: | Use your head man. |
| [06:16:38] | tcpsyn: | right. |
| [06:16:45] | tcpsyn: | just wondering |
| [06:16:47] | CharlieSu: | but for some reason when i goto mythtv and try and watch tv it is just black screen.. and i can't cat to a file either |
| [06:16:51] | Dagmar: | If you can transmit from the backend to the frontend over IR then you can damn well point your remote at the frontend |
| [06:17:23] | tcpsyn: | charliesu, your sure its set to use pvr-x50 and ntsc? |
| [06:17:32] | CharlieSu: | whoa.. it might work now.. sec |
| [06:17:34] | CharlieSu: | let me try |
| [06:17:43] | Dagmar: | CharlieSu: If you can't cat to a file then ivtv just *isn't working* |
| [06:17:52] | tcpsyn: | dagmar, right, except there is not blaster at the front end, since the card is in the backend |
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| [06:18:57] | Dagmar: | tcpsyn: Okay, screw that then. Go to the wiki and look for the Cottage IR Remotes page and look into the IguanaWorks transciever |
| [06:19:19] | Dagmar: | What you're describing means you're going to have to use two *different* remote protocols |
| [06:19:54] | tcpsyn: | i was just wondering if it was possible, an ir blaster is like $12.00 |
| [06:19:56] | tcpsyn: | heh |
| [06:20:03] | Dagmar: | ...because if you try to say, use a panasonic RC5 profile with the remote, and then re-broadcast that stuff to the frontend using the same protocol, the frontend is going to see both the backend and the remote's signals |
| [06:20:18] | CharlieSu: | tcpsyn: weird.. it allowed me to cat video1 after a reboot.. but then i started mythbackend and it mythfrontend didn't work.. i then stoped the backend to cat out the file and then it wouldn't let me.. just sits there.. no output... |
| [06:20:32] | CharlieSu: | tcpsyn: rebooting now to see what happens... going to cat out to file first thing. |
| [06:20:33] | Dagmar: | tcpsyn: Well, the IguanaWorks one is like $30, but it'll basically saturate the room with output. :) |
| [06:20:55] | Dagmar: | I think I'd rather chew off my own fingers than try to get lirc to repeat to another lirc like that |
| [06:21:10] | Dagmar: | CharlieSu: You will fail. |
| [06:21:19] | CharlieSu: | Dagmar: why? |
| [06:21:21] | Dagmar: | CharlieSu: read the Troubleshooting section of the ivtv wiki where it explains about using ptune.pl |
| [06:21:33] | CharlieSu: | i use ivtv-tune |
| [06:21:42] | Dagmar: | Okay, *probably* close enough then |
| [06:22:15] | Dagmar: | I was worried you were just going to login and start up with cat /dev/video0, which ain't likely to do much. ;) |
| [06:22:46] | CharlieSu: | charlie@myth ~ $ ivtv-tune -c 36 |
| [06:22:46] | CharlieSu: | ioctl VIDIOC_S_FREQUENCY failed |
| [06:23:20] | Dagmar: | Unless you're going to go look up what that means, follow the dox on the ivtv site |
| [06:23:29] | CharlieSu: | wehre can i dl ptune...? |
| [06:24:14] | Dagmar: | You already have it. |
| [06:24:15] | Dagmar: | Read the dox. |
| [06:24:16] | Dagmar: | Read the dox. |
| [06:24:45] | Fifth: | so Hauppage 500 is pretty good card for MythTV? |
| [06:25:11] | Fifth: | Hauppauge WinTV PVR 500 that is |
| [06:25:19] | Dagmar: | Oh joy. The troubleshooting section now refers to ivtv-tune instead of ptune.pl. Bleh |
| [06:25:26] | Dagmar: | Fifth: yes. |
| [06:25:59] | Fifth: | Dagmar, $136 good price? |
| [06:26:24] | Dagmar: | Fifth: Check NewEgg and/or Pricewatch, but I doubt you'll find it significantly lower than that |
| [06:26:35] | Dagmar: | I think I paid $125 for mine, but I seriously "jew up" when it comes to buying things online |
| [06:26:55] | Fifth: | Kk yah I checked newegg and thats the price , seemed reasonable |
| [06:27:01] | Fifth: | is that one of the higher end cards for MythTV ya think? |
| [06:27:17] | Dagmar: | Fifth: *sigh* No, it's just a two-tuner version of the PVR-150 |
| [06:27:23] | Fifth: | hmm |
| [06:27:24] | Dagmar: | There's no "high end" version of these things |
| [06:27:25] | tcpsyn: | i didn't have to use either |
| [06:27:36] | tcpsyn: | ptune or the other |
| [06:27:59] | Dagmar: | tcpsyn: When I started doing this stuff, it generally would ignore you unless you'd at least run something to set the encoder params and tuner |
| [06:28:08] | Fifth: | Dagmar, ah K, any that do MPG4? |
| [06:28:13] | Dagmar: | MIght be they've finally decided what "sane defaults" for the driver should be |
| [06:28:21] | Dagmar: | Fifth: Pvr cards? Nope. |
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| [06:28:55] | tcpsyn: | dagmar, I was trying to get it to work with the bvvt driver at first and there were some modprobe options I had to pass for the tuner and whatnot, but ivtv seemed to handle that on its own. |
| [06:28:56] | Fifth: | Dagmar, ah K so that'd be transcoding or something |
| [06:29:49] | Fifth: | Dagmar, do you think out of all the Hauppauge cards, (150, 350, 500...) 500 the best? or is that not the case? |
| [06:29:52] | Dagmar: | tcpsyn: Yeah, it apparently didn't use to (or I was having a "technology hates me" day) |
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| [06:30:14] | Dagmar: | Fifth: There is no "best". You buy the one that fits what you're trying to do. |
| [06:32:29] | Dagmar: | Fifth: See http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Category . . . apture_cards |
| [06:32:52] | Dagmar: | There is one or two mp4 cards, but at the moment I've got no idea what they are |
| [06:33:01] | Fifth: | ah K thx |
| [06:33:15] | Dagmar: | Anything that says "framegrabber" anywhere near it is a no-go tho |
| [06:33:21] | Dagmar: | Framegrabbing sucks |
| [06:33:31] | Fifth: | ah K |
| [06:33:54] | Fifth: | so a card with 2 tuners, do you have to have 2 separate cable outlets then? |
| [06:33:59] | Dagmar: | Nope. |
| [06:34:04] | Fifth: | splitter then? |
| [06:34:17] | Dagmar: | There's two coax inputs on the PVR-500, which confuses people who don't look at the docs for them carefully. |
| [06:34:26] | Dagmar: | One is for cable input, the other is *just* for FM radio |
| [06:34:38] | Fifth: | ahh |
| [06:34:40] | Fifth: | gotcha |
| [06:34:44] | tcpsyn: | when does fm radio come through the cable? |
| [06:34:52] | bcsmith: | anyone have any luck with a DVICO lite or gold RT card and getting analog w/audio working? |
| [06:35:00] | Dagmar: | it would be kinda lame to make a dual-tuner card and then require people to come up with their own splitter. |
| [06:35:45] | Fifth: | lol true |
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| [06:37:23] | tcpsyn: | is there a standalone pvr, like a tivo without the fee that I can buy moms? |
| [06:37:45] | k-man: | mythtv? |
| [06:37:49] | tcpsyn: | heh. |
| [06:38:02] | k-man: | if you keep it simple, it should be ok |
| [06:38:07] | k-man: | my mum uses it |
| [06:39:15] | k-man: | i suggest you set up a process monitor on the myth backend process so it restarts automaticaly in the event of a crash |
| [06:39:20] | robbins876: | tivo is a great service, and that would be the way i recommend you go for your mother |
| [06:40:08] | robbins876: | If you argue with them about the price when you're setting up your box they may be willing to lower the monthly fee. I think they ask 19.95/mo, but I got my mom's down to 9.95/mo |
| [06:41:10] | tcpsyn: | They have the box and a year service for 199.00 |
| [06:41:43] | robbins876: | that's not bad |
| [06:41:51] | robbins876: | there is truly no better service than tivo |
| [06:41:59] | tcpsyn: | sorry, 269.00 with the box |
| [06:42:07] | tcpsyn: | kinda steep |
| [06:42:10] | robbins876: | i love myth because it's so comprehensive, but then again, i'm a nerd... my mom, probably like yours, isn't |
| [06:42:10] | tcpsyn: | but |
| [06:42:22] | tcpsyn: | no more expensive than building the mythbox would be |
| [06:42:27] | tcpsyn: | yeah |
| [06:42:31] | robbins876: | nope, and it's ease of use is insane |
| [06:42:47] | robbins876: | i can't even get my mom to use firefox, but she loves the tivo |
| [06:42:59] | tcpsyn: | hah. |
| [06:43:06] | tcpsyn: | thats a great add for tivo |
| [06:43:07] | robbins876: | i had a series 2 tuner that i could have sold you for $50, but i gave it to my girlfriend |
| [06:43:44] | tcpsyn: | eh. |
| [06:43:56] | tcpsyn: | can more than one tv use the same tivo box? |
| [06:44:02] | robbins876: | nope, just one |
| [06:44:20] | robbins876: | but it's got an app called tivo2go that lets you transfer the files to a pc |
| [06:44:22] | tcpsyn: | could two tivo boxes use the same tivo service? |
| [06:45:29] | robbins876: | nope... it's a consumer box, so they're not going to give you too many breaks... does she use digital cable or satellite? |
| [06:45:45] | tcpsyn: | just regular cable, not even digital |
| [06:45:53] | tcpsyn: | comcast |
| [06:45:53] | robbins876: | oh, tivo would be great then |
| [06:46:17] | robbins876: | she could get the comcast DVR, but I hate the DVR my cable company provides |
| [06:46:40] | tcpsyn: | well its for christmas |
| [06:47:17] | tcpsyn: | so I'd like to just wrap it up, and have her be able to use it on christmas day |
| [06:47:21] | tcpsyn: | like a good kid |
| [06:47:30] | robbins876: | tivo would allow for that |
| [06:47:37] | robbins876: | let me see if i can't find any deals for you |
| [06:47:49] | tcpsyn: | i'm looking on their website |
| [06:48:07] | robbins876: | does she have broadband? |
| [06:48:11] | tcpsyn: | yes |
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| [06:49:08] | robbins876: | check this out |
| [06:49:10] | robbins876: | http://www.circuitcity.com/ssm/TiVo-Series2-D . . . uctDetail.do |
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| [06:50:18] | Ediehow: | hi friends |
| [06:50:28] | Ediehow: | i just realized my STB has svideo out |
| [06:50:30] | tcpsyn: | that doesn't come with the service though |
| [06:50:37] | cesman: | hello Ediehow |
| [06:50:46] | Ediehow: | and since pvr150mce has svideo in, shouldn't I use svideo instread of composite/rca? |
| [06:50:54] | robbins876: | tcpsyn: no, but the tivo is free... you have to buy one year of service at $14.95/mo |
| [06:50:57] | cesman: | yes |
| [06:51:10] | Ediehow: | cesman: does svideo have video and audio on one connection? |
| [06:51:10] | robbins876: | that works out to roughly $180 instead of the $269 you were talking about before |
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| [06:51:17] | cesman: | Ediehow: no |
| [06:51:18] | tcpsyn: | thats cool, but its to much for me to drop at once |
| [06:51:25] | cesman: | SVIDEO is just that....video |
| [06:51:31] | robbins876: | that's why god made credit cards |
| [06:51:32] | Ediehow: | so how would i get audio? |
| [06:51:38] | Ediehow: | i need to use composite for audio? |
| [06:51:44] | cesman: | how do you get audio now? |
| [06:51:50] | Ediehow: | through the 3 rca cables |
| [06:51:56] | Ediehow: | 3 connected to wintv pvr150mce |
| [06:52:04] | Ediehow: | and the other sides are connected to the STB |
| [06:52:08] | cesman: | Ediehow: and the colors are? |
| [06:52:15] | Ediehow: | normal rca colors |
| [06:52:18] | Ediehow: | red white and yellow |
| [06:52:30] | cesman: | yellow is for video |
| [06:52:39] | Ediehow: | so i just unplug that? |
| [06:52:40] | cesman: | the red and white are audio |
| [06:52:45] | Ediehow: | and tell myth to use svideo? |
| [06:53:03] | cesman: | so, unplug yellow |
| [06:53:09] | cesman: | myth doesn't care |
| [06:53:24] | Ediehow: | no but don't i need to tell myth to use s-video1 instead of tuner 1 ? |
| [06:53:25] | cesman: | your "tuner" must support svideo in |
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| [06:53:35] | cesman: | yes, you do |
| [06:54:05] | Ediehow: | ok, so under input connections, i have mpeg /dev/video1 s-video1 -> dishnetwork |
| [06:54:06] | Ediehow: | and |
| [06:54:14] | Ediehow: | mpeg /dev/video1 composite -> dishnetwork |
| [06:54:24] | Ediehow: | is that all i change? |
| [06:54:36] | Ediehow: | how does myth know which one to get the video from? |
| [06:54:56] | GreyFoxx: | turn off the composite one |
| [06:55:07] | Ediehow: | GreyFoxx: just turn off the input connection for it? |
| [06:55:13] | GreyFoxx: | the card knows it has tgo get the audio from the composite audio jacks, myth doesn't know anything about it |
| [06:55:14] | GreyFoxx: | yes |
| [06:55:22] | Ediehow: | so set video source to none |
| [06:55:23] | Ediehow: | ok |
| [06:55:27] | cesman: | burn iso burn |
| [06:55:48] | Ediehow: | yay! |
| [06:56:07] | Ediehow: | GreyFoxx: what is the difference in video quality? i mean, is it technically digital now? |
| [06:56:16] | GreyFoxx: | no, still analog |
| [06:56:16] | Kazriko: | Hmm, been using mythtv for a year now, last time I upgraded my kernel and IVTV i ran into a bug where it would only record on the LiveTV profile... Now I can't even record on that profile, i can still view live tv, but I can't record anything. it never even creates the mpg files in scheduled mode. |
| [06:56:26] | Ediehow: | does it have advantages over composite? |
| [06:56:43] | GreyFoxx: | cleaner signal, so generally a better quality image with less noise |
| [06:56:54] | Ediehow: | oh ok |
| [06:57:03] | Ediehow: | i thought maybe that means resolution or whatever goes up |
| [06:57:09] | cesman: | no |
| [06:57:11] | GreyFoxx: | nope |
| [06:57:12] | Ediehow: | k |
| [06:57:29] | cesman: | the video signals are seperated |
| [06:57:36] | cesman: | that is why the multiple pins |
| [06:57:46] | Ediehow: | so does it matter if i leave yellow composite in? |
| [06:58:03] | cesman: | so, like GreyFoxx said should be a cleaner signal |
| [06:58:03] | GreyFoxx: | Ediehow: Not really no |
| [06:58:22] | GreyFoxx: | But if you unplug it then you can be positive you are recording from the proper input :) |
| [06:58:44] | Ediehow: | yup:) |
| [06:58:46] | Ediehow: | thx sir:) |
| [06:58:57] | ** GreyFoxx heads back to be ** | |
| [06:58:58] | GreyFoxx: | d |
| [06:59:02] | Ediehow: | thx all |
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| [06:59:38] | Kazriko: | Myth 0.20, ivtv 0.7.0/0.7.3, 2.6.17, ubuntu... last time when it had the livetv only problem it was 2.6.15... |
| [07:00:04] | ** Kazriko needs to make a dedicated mythtv box so he doesn't have to deal with it breaking everytime ubuntu upgrades their kernel... ** | |
| [07:00:16] | robbins876: | i'm getting no sound in myth, what could be the problem? i'm getting sound elsewhere just fine |
| [07:00:45] | cesman: | is teh volume turned up? |
| [07:00:50] | robbins876: | yep |
| [07:01:08] | cesman: | what tuner card do you have? |
| [07:01:15] | robbins876: | i believe so, anyway... it's not even recognizing when i hit the volume buttons |
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| [07:02:31] | robbins876: | is there a command to see if /dev/dsp is in use or somethign? |
| [07:02:58] | Kazriko: | robbins876, do you get audio when you read directly from the card with mplayer or such? |
| [07:03:29] | robbins876: | just a sec |
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| [07:04:17] | robbins876: | yes, i do |
| [07:07:26] | robbins876: | you there? |
| [07:08:03] | Kazriko: | I wonder if you have some sort of sound daemon... |
| [07:08:20] | robbins876: | i have no idea |
| [07:08:27] | robbins876: | sound works outside of myth just fine |
| [07:08:46] | Dagmar: | Umm... if you ever have a "/dev/dsp is in use" problem it's time to shoot your sound card |
| [07:09:09] | Dagmar: | Dmix is *supposed* to be part of ALSA by default so you shouldn't have that problem, even if you have a craptacular sound card that doesn't do stream muxing |
| [07:09:18] | robbins876: | yeah, for sure... i have a sound card at my parents house that i keep meaning to grab, but i never do |
| [07:09:46] | Dagmar: | robbins876: What tuner card are you using? |
| [07:09:47] | robbins876: | i just disabled the KDE sound system and myth is working fine now |
| [07:09:58] | Dagmar: | euw |
| [07:10:18] | robbins876: | I'm using pvr-150 |
| [07:10:26] | Dagmar: | Hmm.. now for that not to make sound is just weird |
| [07:10:36] | Dagmar: | It would have to be alsa buggery |
| [07:10:48] | robbins876: | it was just myth, Dagmar |
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| [07:10:54] | robbins876: | I have no idea why though |
| [07:10:58] | Dagmar: | I was half hoping you'd say you were using one of those bt8x8 cards so we could say "plug in the bloody cable" |
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| [07:11:29] | robbins876: | it had worked before, but i was messing with my soundcard earlier trying to get TeamSpeak and sound in an online game to work co-operatively... to no luck, mind you. |
| [07:11:33] | Dagmar: | I have more than a few SBLive! cards around, just because they do their own muxing |
| [07:11:47] | Dagmar: | I'm gonna have to switch my myth box back to using the integrated chipset tho |
| [07:11:51] | robbins876: | i have a sb live at my parents house |
| [07:11:57] | Dagmar: | The speakers I bought have two modes... 5.1 and "fucking annoying" |
| [07:12:18] | Dagmar: | I can have stereo with the rear speakers lit, or I can have the subwoofer actually do something with the way it expects input |
| [07:12:36] | Dagmar: | It's rather annoying to have clear mids and highs and virtually no base |
| [07:13:19] | Dagmar: | I've been avoiding it because it seems like another popular source of ALSA buggery is when it decides to pretend it has no idea how to set the output routing and you only get one damn channel (usually left) of output |
| [07:13:40] | robbins876: | yeah, on-board sound is definately not all it's cracked up to be |
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| [07:13:46] | Dagmar: | So, those people experiencing evil ALSA problems aren't alone |
| [07:14:20] | Dagmar: | it's not that it's on-board that's the problem, it's that there's a buncha different ways to set the output routing and the alsa-devs apparently can't keep up |
| [07:14:53] | Kazriko: | so, it looks like my logs say that the recording is ending before it even logs that its begun... :( |
| [07:15:11] | Dagmar: | *shudder* |
| [07:15:35] | Kazriko: | 10401 – Finished recording. 10402 – Started recording... |
| [07:20:33] | Kazriko: | bleh. mplayer works, cat to a file then mplayer works, live tv works, scheduled recordings don't work. It seems like myth gets a bit too fancy with its driver use in scheduled recordings. |
| [07:27:01] | Kazriko: | do the pvr250 and 350 cards have as many issues as the 150's do? Would I be better off with a different brand entirely to avoid these stupid recording problems? |
| [07:33:07] | cesman: | well, the 2/350 have been out for a while |
| [07:33:14] | cesman: | they should be rock solid |
| [07:33:25] | cesman: | the 150 should be stable |
| [07:39:50] | Kazriko: | The 150 has been giving me problems since the start, they've only gotten worse. one of my 2 150's is useless right now because it can't be tuned to any channels. it's stuck to 1 vhf and 1 uhf channel. |
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| [07:42:02] | Kazriko: | I wish my cable provider was sending all channels on QAM so I could just go to PCHDTV cards instead. |
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| [07:55:32] | tcpsyn: | haha |
| [07:56:32] | juski: | Kazriko: livetv is recorded, just like scheduled recordings. if livetv works okay, so should normal recordings |
| [07:58:58] | juski: | as far as the driver use goes, myth treats the card the same whether it's on livetv or a scheduled recording. the only way they differ is the recording profiles. maybe you munged your recording profiles |
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| [08:01:28] | Kazriko: | juski, That's how it was before, Except that it would work with the LiveTV profile and not the high or default profiles. |
| [08:01:40] | Kazriko: | now it won't work in any of the 4 profiles. |
| [08:02:19] | juski: | something is _very_ wrong with your setup is all I can say then |
| [08:02:22] | Kazriko: | Does it use the LiveTV profile for LiveTV, or does it do something else? |
| [08:02:26] | tcpsyn: | my mpegs are huge |
| [08:02:30] | tcpsyn: | rediculous huge |
| [08:02:37] | Kazriko: | 2gb per hour or bigger? |
| [08:02:58] | juski: | Kazriko: livetv for livetv |
| [08:03:21] | Kazriko: | Ok, it must be something else then, What do you think of how the log in mythweb says the recording is ending before it begins? |
| [08:03:46] | tcpsyn: | 43 minutes is 2gb |
| [08:04:00] | juski: | tcpsyn: with a pvr tuner card? |
| [08:04:04] | tcpsyn: | yeah |
| [08:04:11] | tcpsyn: | pvr-150 |
| [08:04:36] | juski: | tcpsyn: you can tweak the recording profile quality down quite a lot but you might not be happy with the results |
| [08:04:40] | null_: | Can anyone say which cpu is faster? A 1.5 GHz Celeron-M or a AMD Athlon-XP 1800+? |
| [08:04:48] | juski: | easier & cheap just to buy a bigger HDD |
| [08:04:59] | tcpsyn: | I have plenty of space... |
| [08:05:07] | tcpsyn: | but I'd like to stream some videos |
| [08:05:12] | tcpsyn: | and streaming 2G is retarded |
| [08:05:18] | juski: | use mythstreamtv then |
| [08:06:10] | tcpsyn: | i couldnt get it to install |
| [08:06:16] | juski: | boo hoo |
| [08:06:18] | tcpsyn: | heh |
| [08:06:23] | juski: | maybe folks here could help |
| [08:06:49] | juski: | there's a patched mythstreamtv for 0.20 mythtv knocking around somewhere |
| [08:07:10] | tcpsyn: | nice. |
| [08:07:17] | tcpsyn: | so thats a normal filesize? |
| [08:07:38] | juski: | you can set the quality & size yourself, to suit the network you're going over |
| [08:07:57] | juski: | it's was very watchable over my home internet connection |
| [08:08:03] | tcpsyn: | nice |
| [08:08:05] | juski: | s/it's/it |
| [08:08:21] | juski: | I only used it a few times, mostly to show off at work |
| [08:08:54] | tcpsyn: | juski, I work 3rd shift. |
| [08:08:58] | tcpsyn: | exactly. |
| [08:08:59] | juski: | my 256k upload pipe would manage 320x240 with 96k audio no problem |
| [08:09:53] | juski: | if you'd used knoppmyth, that has mythstreamtv built in |
| [08:10:32] | juski: | would've been nice if whoever patched mythstreamtv for 0.20 had edited the wiki page for it |
| [08:10:45] | tcpsyn: | any idea where I can find that? |
| [08:11:33] | juski: | none |
| [08:12:38] | juski: | except maybe |
| [08:12:39] | juski: | http://dl.atrpms.net/mythdora/mythstreamtv/my . . . -0.20.tar.gz |
| [08:13:10] | tcpsyn: | nice |
| [08:13:59] | juski: | I'm gonna try installing it now |
| [08:14:04] | tcpsyn: | me too |
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| [08:17:00] | galorin: | Howdy yall. I've got one Hauppage Nova-T in my mythbox, and would like to add another DVB-T tuner card. Should I just get another nova-T card or is there another card that I'd be better off getting? |
| [08:18:18] | juski: | galorin: if you're happy with your nova-t, then there's no reason why not |
| [08:18:51] | galorin: | I'm happy with it, except I can't get ITV4 on it. Tried everything I can think of, which isn't much. |
| [08:19:30] | juski: | itv4 the only one you can't get? |
| [08:19:41] | galorin: | yep |
| [08:20:01] | juski: | check your aerial – the mux it's on might be a much lower strength |
| [08:20:15] | galorin: | It shows up in the channel listings, but when I tune in to it, all I get is a black screen. |
| [08:20:23] | juski: | you need a group 'U' aerial for Freeview really |
| [08:20:37] | juski: | it's not always on air though |
| [08:20:45] | juski: | you tried in the evening? |
| [08:21:47] | galorin: | I scheduled recordings for when it is on, want martial law and Now and Again, but all I got was a black screen. |
| [08:24:44] | galorin: | I've not tried booting into a windows partition that I crammed into 5GB of left over space to test it and seen if hauppage's own software could get ITV4. |
| [08:25:04] | juski: | and? |
| [08:25:04] | galorin: | don't think I've even installed the drivers for it... |
| [08:25:13] | Kazriko: | 2006-12–14 23:45:10.691 TVRec(2): Changing from None to RecordingOnly 2006-12–14 23:45:10.708 TVRec(2): HW Tuner: 2->2 2006-12–14 23:45:10.784 Channel(/dev/video1): SetInputAndFormat() failed 2006-12–14 23:45:10.789 TVRec(2) Error: Failed to set channel to 7. Reverting to kState_None 2006-12–14 23:45:10.793 TVRec(2): Changing from RecordingOnly to None |
| [08:25:28] | Kazriko: | Looks like I am getting an error in there. bleh. |
| [08:27:42] | tcpsyn: | ls |
| [08:27:44] | tcpsyn: | bah |
| [08:28:06] | galorin: | And.. I don't think ITV4 is on the air so I'll have to wait until tonight. |
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| [08:32:00] | tcpsyn: | well, it installed |
| [08:32:14] | tcpsyn: | just got something wrong, when I got to stream the video, the files not found. |
| [08:32:19] | tcpsyn: | something dumb |
| [08:33:58] | tcpsyn: | the file exists where its looking |
| [08:34:06] | tcpsyn: | |
| [08:34:07] | tcpsyn: | /mnt/movies/mythtv/1055_20061215014100.mpg |
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| [08:37:36] | juski: | permissions, probably |
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| [08:42:22] | tripppy: | i have a twinhan pci card and a xbox with XBMC. i just want to make a backendand so it can stream over IP to the xbox. whats my best soloution? |
| [08:46:05] | tcpsyn: | juski, permissions would give a permission denied error |
| [08:46:08] | tcpsyn: | not file not found |
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| [09:19:55] | ** awilkins wonders if galorin is having the same trouble that he had with ITV4... ** | |
| [09:20:58] | tank-man: | what trouble? |
| [09:21:08] | tank-man: | clean your computer case of dust |
| [09:21:20] | tank-man: | mine had dust and /dev/video disappeard |
| [09:21:34] | awilkins: | Heh, it gets a regular clean |
| [09:21:38] | Kazriko: | 2006-12–15 02:18:42.454 Channel(/dev/video1): SetFormat(Default) fmt(Unknown) input(2) << is it normal for fmt to be unknown? |
| [09:21:48] | awilkins: | It's under the telly, so it gets more dust than average. |
| [09:22:02] | awilkins: | My ITV4 problem was a database issue |
| [09:22:14] | awilkins: | It had the same channum as CBBC |
| [09:22:25] | awilkins: | And the queries use channum instead of the primary key, channid |
| [09:22:48] | awilkins: | So it would try to record CBBC, which goes off the air before ITV4 comes on. |
| [09:25:17] | tank-man: | oh i thought you ment ivtv 0.4.x lol |
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| [09:52:37] | juski: | or maybe mythtv just has taste & doesn't like ITV |
| [09:58:58] | juski: | hrm You don't have permission to access /streamtv/createfile on this server |
| [10:03:19] | awilkins: | It had no taste last night, recorded my first ITV4 program successfully :-) |
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| [10:03:55] | awilkins: | THey actually show some reasonable films on ITV4, I think they are trying out the channel five model. |
| [10:04:32] | tripppy: | can i do a quick poll; Favourtie OS for Myth? |
| [10:04:53] | awilkins: | Gentoo ; because it was the only one I could get my hardware working in. |
| [10:05:04] | juski: | the channel five model eh? showing soft porn in the early hours.. nice |
| [10:05:19] | juski: | linux is my favourite |
| [10:05:32] | juski: | though my windows frontend is looking good |
| [10:05:45] | juski: | http://homepage.ntlworld.com/justin.hornsby2/winmyth.png |
| [10:05:54] | awilkins: | Heh, channel five showed Die Hard the other week – they show some old classics too. ITV4 showed Full Metal Jacket but I missed it because of the bug. |
| [10:09:03] | juski: | Die Hard – that sounds like soft porn too |
| [10:15:28] | Merlin83b: | What's that screenshot, juski? |
| [10:15:35] | Merlin83b: | You made a Windows FE? |
| [10:19:44] | Kazriko: | ergh. I wonder what it means if inputNumV4L is -1... |
| [10:20:12] | ** Kazriko has spent way too long debugging this channel.cpp code... ** | |
| [10:26:24] | Kazriko: | bleh. Deleting the video card and readding seems to have worked. *shrug* |
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| [10:35:20] | juski: | I made a screenshot, that much is true ;) |
| [10:35:39] | Merlin83b: | Heh. |
| [10:36:00] | Merlin83b: | Did you then GIMP a screenshot of Myth into it to confuse people? |
| [10:40:34] | juski: | kind of |
| [10:41:05] | juski: | doctored a screenshot of another window by putting myth into it :) |
| [10:41:40] | juski: | never know – it might inspire somebody |
| [10:42:10] | Merlin83b: | Hehe |
| [10:47:38] | Agrajag-: | post it to the -users list and give a url that is "temporarily down" or something, eheh |
| [10:48:24] | Agrajag-: | as in say you've done a fully functional windows port and give that screenie and give a url that's down |
| [10:49:16] | juski: | I was gonna just cat /dev/random to a .exe file |
| [10:49:27] | Agrajag-: | hahah |
| [10:49:31] | juski: | but that'd be too cruel even for me |
| [10:49:54] | juski: | do it enough times & eventually you'd get code that works :-P |
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| [10:56:21] | kavorka^: | hi, i have a recording which has been transocoded to mpg-ps (mpg4?)....if i use mytharchive and select the 'dont reencode' profile to creat a dvd, will this play on standalone dvd players? |
| [11:02:38] | frink_: | juski: If you /dev/random to a .exe you'll eventually get notepad or something.. |
| [11:04:21] | Zider: | frink_: if you /dev/urandom to a bunch of filesoverand over, you'll easily getsomething that resembles windows in functionality :P |
| [11:06:31] | tripppy: | myth tv cant find my DVB-t card. help! |
| [11:06:50] | Zider: | tripppy: can linux find it? |
| [11:07:21] | tripppy: | im running knopmyth |
| [11:10:07] | frink_: | tripppy: What DVB-T card do you have? |
| [11:11:10] | tripppy: | http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewI . . . photohosting |
| [11:11:13] | tripppy: | 3020c |
| [11:12:44] | frink_: | well it's certainly supported. |
| [11:13:45] | frink_: | I am afraid I have never used knopmyth, but there is quite a lot of results on google searching for 'Twinhan 3020 mythtv linux' |
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| [11:22:13] | tripppy: | what are you using? |
| [11:27:40] | tripppy: | Zider, frink_, what OS are you using? |
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| [11:38:09] | ectospasm: | If I'm not interested in an HDTV kit, what hardware would give me the best bang for the buck, if I wanted two tuners? I'm assuming two tuners is necessary to watch live TV while recording a different show. |
| [11:40:07] | awilkins: | Yes, you need two tuners for that |
| [11:40:21] | awilkins: | But advice like that is hard to give without knowing more. |
| [11:40:22] | BULLE: | ectospasm: yes you need two tuners for that, a hauppauge wintv pvr 500 has that for example |
| [11:40:55] | awilkins: | You only need realtively pathetic hardware for standard res TV |
| [11:41:37] | awilkins: | fri'instance, I hardly ever go above 30% CPU on my Sempron |
| [11:42:09] | BULLE: | commercial flagging should use the cpu though, right ? |
| [11:42:14] | ectospasm: | now for HD, I've heard that Firewire is the way to go. But wouldn't that mean that the CPU will be doing most of the encoding work? Or is that a non-issue because you're dealing w/ HD? |
| [11:42:37] | BULLE: | ectospasm: basicly, encoding hd with pure cpu, is out of the question |
| [11:43:05] | ectospasm: | so what does the encoding if you're getting the signal through IEEE-1394? |
| [11:43:06] | BULLE: | ectospasm: all new cards, have some sort of hardware assist, in the case of hd you generaly just write the data stream to disk, directly, let that be mpeg2 or mpeg4 |
| [11:43:40] | BULLE: | ectospasm: im living in europe, so we dont use firewire for that here, but i would expect it to just be an mpeg2 or mpeg4 data stream |
| [11:44:13] | ectospasm: | I guess I woke up too early for USians to be helpful (-: |
| [11:44:54] | BULLE: | ectospasm: from what i understood, its just an mpeg2 stream fed over the firewire connection |
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| [11:45:48] | awilkins: | AFAIK, firewire boxes are doing the encoding and transmitting the stream |
| [11:46:01] | ectospasm: | that makes sense |
| [11:46:05] | awilkins: | Or are they just receiving digital transmissions? |
| [11:46:15] | jblack: | Does anyone happen to know if the pchdtv 5500 works with the standard kernel? If not, are the drivers free software and/or require proprietary firmware? |
| [11:46:29] | BULLE: | awilkins: they are just receiving digital transmissions |
| [11:46:48] | awilkins: | I'm using DVB-T stuff – recording consumes about 2–3% CPU because all it has to do is demux the stream a bit and chuck it on disk. |
| [11:47:23] | awilkins: | Having a bit of grunt is nice for transcoding and commercial jobs, yes |
| [11:47:39] | awilkins: | But I'd prioritise noise level over grunt. |
| [11:48:12] | awilkins: | I'm tempted to upgrade to a core2 duo, it must be less hot than my sempron. |
| [11:48:17] | BULLE: | yes, but noise level doesnt prohibit grunt |
| [11:48:23] | awilkins: | Most of my noise is drive noise though. |
| [11:48:29] | BULLE: | as you just said, a core2 duo can easily be passively cooled |
| [11:48:31] | ectospasm: | yeah. I don't have a MythTV box yet, but my PC in my bedroom has a server-class power supply, and that damn thing is almost too loud for me to watch DVDs on my PC |
| [11:49:10] | awilkins: | My box is a media box case, so the PSU is quiet, the cpu has a flower on it. |
| [11:49:19] | jblack: | I use a single server do do all the heavy work. The family members have laptops. |
| [11:49:21] | awilkins: | It's the drives that make most of the noise |
| [11:49:27] | BULLE: | awilkins: now fan at all or just a low noise fan ? |
| [11:49:36] | awilkins: | The fan noise is pretty low |
| [11:49:37] | BULLE: | ye, same on my setup, ist the hd that makes the noise |
| [11:49:50] | awilkins: | I stuck in a few quiet akasa 80mm fans |
| [11:49:51] | BULLE: | i just have a single hd in the mythbox though, to keep noise down |
| [11:49:57] | juski: | jblack: some hd cards need proprietary firmware but don't let that tiny thing put you off |
| [11:49:58] | BULLE: | oh, i dont use any fans at all |
| [11:50:21] | awilkins: | You must have a heatpipe sink |
| [11:50:23] | BULLE: | i have a big noisy as hell normal desktop, that i store most recordings on |
| [11:50:25] | BULLE: | awilkins: yes |
| [11:50:38] | awilkins: | My motherboard is upside down, it wouldn't work |
| [11:50:42] | jblack: | juski: That would definitely put me off. Do you know what the state of the 5500 is? I've been eying it for months. |
| [11:50:57] | BULLE: | awilkins: oh, wierd computer case ? |
| [11:51:06] | awilkins: | It's a entertainment case. |
| [11:51:14] | awilkins: | Silverstone one |
| [11:51:32] | awilkins: | It's very pretty – nice brushed aluminium. |
| [11:51:58] | awilkins: | If the drive cage accomodated suspension I think it would be a lot quieter. |
| [11:52:50] | jblack: | heh. maybe you can buy rubber washers. |
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| [11:53:06] | juski: | jblack: what?! you HAVE to be kidding |
| [11:53:20] | juski: | the firmware is only microcode the card needs to work |
| [11:53:23] | awilkins: | Not enough room to fit the things between the drives and the cage |
| [11:53:32] | juski: | the driver itself is open source. sheesh |
| [11:53:35] | jblack: | Nah. I'm serious. |
| [11:53:54] | juski: | that rules out Hauppauge pvr cards then |
| [11:54:11] | awilkins: | I think it rules out most digital gear |
| [11:54:17] | jblack: | I've got an older one that I don't think uses firmware. |
| [11:54:19] | juski: | hard drives |
| [11:54:26] | awilkins: | Ah. |
| [11:54:27] | juski: | they use propriatary firmware |
| [11:54:32] | qu0zl: | it rules out all tuner cards that i can think of |
| [11:54:44] | qu0zl: | maybe some crappy frame grabbers don't need binary firmware blobs? |
| [11:54:49] | qu0zl: | but don't go near those jblack |
| [11:54:50] | jblack: | If it does, then it comes with the stock kernel. |
| [11:54:52] | awilkins: | I was thinking of suspeding the whole drive cage from some bungees |
| [11:55:11] | juski: | awilkins: not a great idea |
| [11:55:34] | awilkins: | That's why I was only thinking of it :-) |
| [11:55:40] | jblack: | What I don't want to do its to get stuck with having to download new firmware images every kernel. That leaves me dependant upon the company staying in business. |
| [11:55:44] | juski: | anyway, if the driver is open source what else would there be to worry about? |
| [11:55:54] | juski: | jblack: you don't generally have to |
| [11:55:58] | awilkins: | jblack: You don't need a new firmware |
| [11:56:11] | awilkins: | And I got mine from an "unofficial" mirror |
| [11:56:17] | jblack: | To me, it depends upon the distribution rights of the firmware. |
| [11:56:47] | juski: | the hauppauge firmware is provided by conexant under the terms of a pretty solid NDA |
| [11:56:59] | awilkins: | The firmware is only there to make the hardware run – most of these digital tuners (is this right) talk over a virtual network connection |
| [11:57:07] | juski: | kind of |
| [11:57:31] | awilkins: | They all seem to be allocated MAC addresses, and I've seen the windows drivers allocating them IP addresses too. |
| [11:57:46] | jblack: | I think I would have remembered signing an nda for my current tv card (which is a Bt878) |
| [11:57:57] | awilkins: | BT878 is a framegrabber |
| [11:58:14] | juski: | jblack: no you misunderstood |
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| [11:58:51] | awilkins: | BT878 is run by the driver, the digital tuners are run by the firmware, and the driver talks to them. |
| [11:59:05] | juski: | anyway, refusing to use good hardware on the strength of the bloody firmware not being OSS is very petty IMHO |
| [11:59:27] | awilkins: | The firwmare is in the driver packages that the manufacturer distributes |
| [11:59:44] | jblack: | Ok. So its not redistributable for the 5500? |
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| [11:59:49] | awilkins: | So distribution is not an issue – they let you download the drivers. |
| [12:00:09] | awilkins: | The firmware files that the linux drivers used may have been munged about a bit by various things |
| [12:01:14] | awilkins: | Although if they are arsy enough to start encrypting the firmware in the driver packages, I suppose they could claim a DCMA violation. |
| [12:01:34] | jblack: | Awesome. |
| [12:01:49] | jblack: | According to http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/PcHDTV_HD-5500, I shouldn't have any problems with firmware. =) |
| [12:01:53] | qu0zl: | fact of the matter is that the pvr500 firmware works fine. And you can download it now, and they can't take it back from you |
| [12:02:06] | qu0zl: | so download it, and then they can do what they want with the firmware, it won't bother you |
| [12:02:13] | awilkins: | If you have thedriver disk, it's on there anyway |
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| [12:06:19] | juski: | nobody ever refuses to by a motherboard because its BIOS isn't OSS (or do they?) |
| [12:06:37] | jblack: | There's a firmware set in the flash. |
| [12:06:48] | juski: | so? |
| [12:06:49] | janneg: | I'd love to use linuxbios |
| [12:07:08] | jblack: | You can slide by with that and pretend that it's just part of the hardware. |
| [12:07:26] | juski: | but it's part of the hardware for tuner cards |
| [12:07:43] | jblack: | Its not where I like to draw the line. |
| [12:07:56] | juski: | well, then you'd be cutting your nose off to spite your face |
| [12:07:58] | jblack: | Look, I'm not looking to change anybody else's mind here. I'm trying to do what I want. |
| [12:08:31] | juski: | for the life of me I can't figure out why the firmware isn't in flash on tuner cards anyway |
| [12:08:46] | juski: | it's not like it's ever huge, for one thing |
| [12:08:48] | jblack: | They should keep a default set, yes. |
| [12:08:59] | juski: | and for another it's hardly ever likely to change |
| [12:09:03] | janneg: | there are some DVB tuners what don't need a firmware |
| [12:09:12] | juski: | mine don't :) |
| [12:10:02] | jblack: | The 5500 looks to be exactly what I want. No proprietary firmware for me to track and to have to upload to the card on boot. The driver is already part of the kernel. |
| [12:10:03] | janneg: | it save 0.5 cent to have it not in an eprom |
| [12:10:35] | juski: | linux users are weird. it's not enough for stuff to just work :) |
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| [12:11:54] | jblack: | True enough. Many linux users are particularly aware of licensing. |
| [12:12:18] | jblack: | You confuse me though. Are you not using linux with mythtv? |
| [12:12:26] | juski: | yeh |
| [12:12:31] | juski: | but not because I love linux |
| [12:12:40] | qu0zl: | juski has never denied being weird either |
| [12:12:41] | juski: | because frankly, I don't |
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| [12:12:54] | juski: | it serves a purpose ;) |
| [12:12:57] | qu0zl: | :) |
| [12:13:18] | jblack: | Yeah. I'm not a great fan of linux either. I am deeply involved in the free software world though. |
| [12:13:29] | jblack: | There's issues that matter a lot to me, that are probaby silly sounding to you. :) |
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| [12:13:53] | juski: | I just don't 'get' free software at all. And this is from someone who contributes |
| [12:13:57] | The_Ball: | why does my mythweb report a time one hour ahead of what the date command on the host does? |
| [12:14:22] | jblack: | Don't worry. You don't have to. In 50 years, it'll all be free. You'll just notice that you have more rights than you used to. |
| [12:14:57] | juski: | I definitely don't understand all the complaining about this brilliant free stuff folks do |
| [12:15:19] | ectospasm: | complaining is one form of contribution |
| [12:15:53] | ectospasm: | if no one complained, there'd be no impetus to improve, other than the developers' wills |
| [12:16:10] | juski: | do you think a user has the right to complain? I don't |
| [12:16:21] | jblack: | Hmmm. Well, I don't think I was complaining, or even suggesting a change. |
| [12:16:30] | jblack: | I was trying to decide if it fit my needs. If it didn't, then I'd just do without it. |
| [12:16:31] | juski: | I wasn't directing my statement at anybody, just a generalisation :) |
| [12:16:43] | ectospasm: | sure a user does. As long as it's polite, it can be very constructive |
| [12:16:50] | qu0zl: | user feedback is useful to opensource projects. |
| [12:16:55] | jblack: | Oh. You mean the rabid types? "I think this way, you have to too?" |
| [12:16:56] | juski: | how often is it constructive? |
| [12:17:18] | juski: | I know from my theming it's made me feel like pulling the plug loads of times |
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| [12:17:50] | juski: | now I just ignore em & it's good |
| [12:17:52] | ectospasm: | "Feature X doesn't work the way I imagine. If it worked _this_ way, it would be better for my needs." |
| [12:17:53] | ectospasm: | How is that not constructive? |
| [12:17:53] | juski: | how often do you see that though? |
| [12:17:53] | jblack: | Hmmm. Do it because you love it, not because someone else does. At least unless they're giving you money. |
| [12:18:04] | juski: | more often than not you get "this is shit, you suck" |
| [12:18:07] | qu0zl: | haha |
| [12:18:13] | ectospasm: | that's when you /ignore |
| [12:18:16] | janneg: | user have the right to complain. I have the right to not listen |
| [12:18:57] | jblack: | when someone wants my software (I write free software) to change, I usually say "Ok, the revision control system is over there. You can either get to work on the problem, you can write me a check, you can live with it as is until someone else chooses to fix it, or you can use something else" |
| [12:19:50] | jblack: | I release code with the hope that it'll be useful to others; not with the obligation to make it useful to others. =) |
| [12:19:52] | ectospasm: | sounds like an appropriate response |
| [12:20:27] | Zider: | I wish I could code.. I have lots of project ideas and stuff, but no way to make them happen :( |
| [12:20:30] | jblack: | sorry for dragging the channel off topic. |
| [12:20:38] | jblack: | Uh.. Mythtv rocks! |
| [12:20:44] | Zider: | indeed it does |
| [12:20:50] | Zider: | I love it :) |
| [12:21:14] | juski: | nothing wrong with off topic |
| [12:21:21] | jblack: | what's this whole dvb thing the HD-5500 does? Is that a neat, wonderful thing? |
| [12:21:37] | jblack: | juski: Thank you for the tolerance. |
| [12:21:48] | juski: | what, like where you get mpeg2 directly from the air you mean? oooo yeah |
| [12:22:02] | Zider: | juski: like magic! |
| [12:22:19] | jblack: | Oh cool. So I could pop 2 of those in to replace this framegrabber that the machine is barely good enough for now? |
| [12:22:32] | juski: | yup |
| [12:22:37] | jblack: | Actually, most of my computer time is in commercial sip and transcoding. |
| [12:22:42] | jblack: | I guess that would go up a bit. |
| [12:22:47] | juski: | and enjoy < 5% CPU usage while you record 2 HDTV shows at the same time |
| [12:22:57] | janneg: | juski: Have you looked at the blootube-wide delete recordings screen lately? |
| [12:23:08] | juski: | last night as a matter of fact |
| [12:23:13] | juski: | what's up widdit? |
| [12:23:37] | janneg: | the space bar is wrong here |
| [12:23:40] | jblack: | how does recpetion differ between traditional broadcast and HDTV? Is signal generally easier to get, or harder? |
| [12:24:23] | juski: | janneg: could you define 'wrong' with a screenshot by any chance? |
| [12:24:30] | jblack: | As in, two antennas on the same mountain in about the same place, will hdtv be easier or harder to receive. I sometimes have trouble with conventional broadcast. |
| [12:25:35] | janneg: | juski: of course, wait a moment. I noticed it yesterday just before going to bed and hadn't a chance to look at it |
| [12:26:01] | juski: | works fine here |
| [12:26:13] | juski: | but then I don't use the opengl painter |
| [12:26:15] | janneg: | something is wrong with the fill graphic |
| [12:26:29] | juski: | I'll hang on til I see the screenshot |
| [12:26:41] | juski: | it prolly needs to be blue not grey :) |
| [12:26:55] | janneg: | any difference between opengl and qt is a bug |
| [12:27:29] | janneg: | it should be grey? it's more blue/violet |
| [12:27:52] | juski: | the bar itself is blue |
| [12:27:58] | juski: | behind it is grey |
| [12:29:15] | juski: | I'll post a screenshot of how it looks here |
| [12:32:06] | janneg: | juski: http://www.grunau.be/blootube_delete.png |
| [12:32:21] | juski: | http://img342.imageshack.us/img342/8031/deletefo8.png |
| [12:32:43] | juski: | wtf?! heh |
| [12:33:08] | juski: | are you using the latest one? |
| [12:33:34] | janneg: | yes, I'll delete the themecache |
| [12:33:50] | juski: | the position of the bar is all wrong too |
| [12:34:02] | juski: | no way is that showing 78% |
| [12:36:35] | jblack: | so, when is .21 coming out? |
| [12:36:53] | Zider: | When It Is Finished <tm> |
| [12:36:56] | Zider: | ;) |
| [12:37:49] | juski: | when the users stop whining |
| [12:37:51] | juski: | :-P |
| [12:37:56] | jblack: | <whiny>but I want it noooOOOooowwwwww</whiny> |
| [12:38:08] | juski: | never! muhahahahaha |
| [12:38:14] | Zider: | *slaps jblack around a bit with a big WTF sign* |
| [12:38:42] | ** jblack shows a wide grin ** | |
| [12:40:13] | janneg: | juski: it's ok now. probably an artefact from overwriting older versions |
| [12:40:19] | jblack: | Do any of you guys know why myth uses its nuv format? I've wondered off and on why it didn't use a more common format and naming convention that could have been more cp -a friendly |
| [12:41:45] | juski: | the explanation about why .nuv (nuppelvideo) is used is on the mythtv.org site |
| [12:41:52] | jblack: | Ok. I'll look it up |
| [12:42:01] | juski: | janneg: phew! ;) |
| [12:42:38] | janneg: | and the used naming convention is to ensure unique names |
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| [12:45:16] | jblack: | Ahhhh. underpowered equipment when the itch struck. Efficiency was a big issue. That makes sense. |
| [12:45:32] | juski: | buy a proper tv tuner and there'll be no more nipplevideo |
| [12:45:53] | juski: | (unless you opt to transcode to it) |
| [12:46:24] | jblack: | I already transcode everything to mpeg. =) Its still stored in nuppel. |
| [12:47:47] | jblack: | Which is fine. I nuvexport the few things that are usefull to tick off the ex-wife. |
| [12:48:28] | jblack: | Nothing ruins her day quite as well as a dvd on her porch with the latest musings from George "Decider" Bush. |
| [12:50:25] | BULLE: | bush o/ |
| [12:56:00] | jblack: | 551 hours left, using your average rate of 515 kb/sec |
| [12:56:36] | jblack: | That's not bad. :) |
| [12:56:46] | jblack: | I should cancel directv and throw that hard drive in too |
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| [12:58:14] | clop: | Hi, I get a new TV today that does a higher resolution than my current one (I think 13?? by 768 instead of 640x480). Do you guys know the max resolution I can record at with a PVR-350? |
| [12:58:45] | juski: | 720x480 NTSC or 720x576 PAL IIRC |
| [13:00:08] | janneg: | 74 hours left, using your maximum rate of 8871 kb/sec |
| [13:00:29] | quicksilver: | clop: your TV doing high resolution doesn't mean much unless you actually have some kind of HD signal |
| [13:00:36] | quicksilver: | clop: and your PVR is a SD card |
| [13:01:36] | clop: | quicksilver, aah, i am just recording off the antenna so i guess probably i won't get better resolution then |
| [13:02:52] | clop: | quicksilver, so i would need to buy an HD card and an HD antenna to get a better resolution probably? |
| [13:03:05] | quicksilver: | depends if they broadcast any kind of HD where you live |
| [13:03:21] | quicksilver: | given that you appear to be in the US |
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| [13:03:30] | quicksilver: | I'm not aware of any HD-over-the-air in the US |
| [13:03:34] | quicksilver: | you can get it on cable |
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| [13:03:59] | quicksilver: | clop: incidentally your TV isn't really relevant |
| [13:04:06] | quicksilver: | clop: myth is recording directly from the signal |
| [13:04:12] | quicksilver: | clop: indeed, you could have no TV at all and myth would work |
| [13:05:56] | clop: | quicksilver, ah yeah.. i think some of the channels here are broadcasting hdtv signals... kvue mentions a "DTV" signal (which apparently is high def?) |
| [13:07:10] | quicksilver: | DTV just means digital |
| [13:07:14] | quicksilver: | but it can be high-def I believe |
| [13:12:04] | The_Ball: | HD implies digital but digital does not imply HD |
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| [13:16:51] | clop: | if the tv says, "integrated HDTV/ATSC tuner", it will still need an antenna right? |
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| [13:20:16] | fryfrog: | yes |
| [13:20:25] | fryfrog: | or cable if it says something about qam |
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| [14:07:38] | seth|laptop: | ack, no Peterc. Just wanted to let him know that updating to the latest svn fixes, fixed my issue with the ivtv DMA errors. Hopefully he will be in here today. |
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| [14:18:54] | clop: | is xvmc only for hdtv recordings, or could i use it with mplayer to speed up normal .avi files? |
| [14:19:45] | seth|laptop: | xvmc will work in all instances, it just uses more of your video card cpu, .vs the system cpu |
| [14:20:24] | clop: | seth|laptop, ah, ok thanks :) |
| [14:20:32] | seth|laptop: | np |
| [14:21:55] | seth|laptop: | however to use it with mplayer, there is a switch you have to add to the command, if you are using .20 just set your players to Internal (note the capitol I) and it will automatically use what you have selected under the TV playback menu |
| [14:25:22] | qu0zl: | clop, .avi files aren't guaranteed to have mpeg2 in them |
| [14:25:29] | qu0zl: | if they're not mpeg2 then xvmc won't help |
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| [14:25:51] | clop: | seth|laptop, ah, so on "Preferred MPEG2 Decoder", i should choose "Standard XvMC" instead of "Standard"? |
| [14:26:03] | seth|laptop: | yes |
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| [14:26:19] | seth|laptop: | but take heed to qu0zl , he makes a good point |
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| [14:26:38] | clop: | rgr, but this would work for recorded videos i guess |
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| [14:27:03] | qu0zl: | with a pvr350 it will alright |
| [14:27:12] | qu0zl: | you have a nvidia card that supports xvmc right? |
| [14:27:21] | clop: | yeah, pvr350 and an nvidia card |
| [14:27:49] | seth|laptop: | well I haven't used xvmc in a while, but I know that my imported dvd's are in the format of .avi, after they are transcoded, but I just left the setting the same all the time, just enabled xvmc in tv playback |
| [14:27:52] | seth|laptop: | but YMMV |
| [14:27:57] | eps: | mmm I'm going to tempt fate and install xubuntu 6.10 + 350 + 310i :D |
| [14:28:02] | eps: | this will be a LONG night |
| [14:28:20] | seth|laptop: | eps: could be worse, you could be installing gentoo from scratch, hehe |
| [14:28:37] | seth|laptop: | then it would quickly turn into a LONG weekend, hehe |
| [14:28:42] | eps: | seth|laptop I used etch last time ... around six months ago...bad idea :P |
| [14:29:03] | eps: | it was time just after sarge was released and unstable had merged and the experimental stuff was flooding in |
| [14:29:06] | eps: | has been a pain since |
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| [14:29:28] | eps: | grr I can't find a cheats guide to installing mythtv under ubuntu |
| [14:29:28] | qu0zl: | i'm using ubuntu 6.10 happily with mythtv eps |
| [14:29:29] | seth|laptop: | eps: if it says "testing" or "unstable" i don't use it on my production boxes, my wife would kill me ;-) |
| [14:29:32] | qu0zl: | whats the 310i bit? |
| [14:29:55] | eps: | pinnacle 310i |
| [14:30:04] | eps: | nfi if it will work or not |
| [14:30:15] | eps: | it's a digital+analog tuner |
| [14:30:42] | clop: | hrmn, with "Standard XvMC" everything is playing fine, but i have errors in the log: XvMCTex: Init failed, X error: BadMatch (invalid parameter attributes) 8, blah blah from VideoOutputXv |
| [14:31:10] | eps: | I'll have to finally work out a solution to the gap between audio and video from the 350 |
| [14:31:20] | qu0zl: | it may have silently falling back to normal decode clop. Check if the OSD is grey |
| [14:31:26] | qu0zl: | if it's grey its xvmc, otherwise it's not |
| [14:32:39] | eps: | is there a major difference between 0.19 and .20? |
| [14:33:00] | seth|laptop: | I think so |
| [14:33:12] | seth|laptop: | made a huge difference for me |
| [14:33:18] | eps: | is there finally a folder structure in the media thingy |
| [14:33:22] | clop: | yeah it's grey |
| [14:33:31] | seth|laptop: | I didn't need xvmc anymore, and my HD cards scanned channels much more efficiently |
| [14:33:45] | eps: | the one that used to just throw every media file under a dir into a view without sorting them at all |
| [14:33:49] | clop: | it seems to increase my cpu usage to use xvmc; it runs 31–45% with xvmc on, and 10–12% without it |
| [14:34:01] | qu0zl: | somethings very broken then clop :) |
| [14:34:07] | clop: | heh :) |
| [14:34:13] | qu0zl: | tbh, if your cpu usage is 10–12% without xvmc then don't use xvmc |
| [14:34:28] | qu0zl: | it causes more trouble than normal decoding |
| [14:34:32] | ** seth|laptop agrees, and "DAmn you're licky" ** | |
| [14:34:33] | qu0zl: | for most people |
| [14:34:39] | seth|laptop: | er luvky |
| [14:34:43] | seth|laptop: | lucky |
| [14:34:43] | qu0zl: | hehe |
| [14:34:49] | clop: | i was just thinking if i get an hdtv card i might wan tit |
| [14:34:52] | ** seth|laptop needs to start looking while typing ** | |
| [14:35:04] | qu0zl: | you get mpeg2 hdtv clop? |
| [14:35:12] | clop: | i haven't gotten a tv card yet |
| [14:35:14] | clop: | for hdtv |
| [14:35:23] | qu0zl: | i mean, where you live. Some is in mpeg4 and xvmc won't help |
| [14:35:29] | clop: | oh |
| [14:35:31] | clop: | i don't even know |
| [14:35:35] | jblack: | There's one for $130 that works out of the box for recent kernels |
| [14:35:37] | clop: | the card doesn't encode it into a mpg? |
| [14:35:42] | seth|laptop: | qu0zl: how do you find that out? |
| [14:35:50] | seth|laptop: | the mpeg4 thing |
| [14:35:53] | qu0zl: | it's already in mpeg clop, depending on which format its broadcast at |
| [14:36:06] | qu0zl: | i dunno seth|laptop , google i guess. Or ask someone else who lives where you live |
| [14:36:14] | qu0zl: | i've no hdtv at all to worry about ;) |
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| [14:36:46] | seth|laptop: | well I have 2 tuners, and they do a great job with the antenna, but I never noticed what type of stream I'm getting |
| [14:37:32] | clop: | ok, well thanks, i think i won't worry about xvmc then :) |
| [14:37:42] | clop: | it does seem better when i use it for mplayer |
| [14:38:50] | qu0zl: | i use it in mplayer too clop, but i find without it better in mythtv. It gives me pre-buffer pauses :( little tiny pauses in the playback |
| [14:39:03] | qu0zl: | also you lose PiP, not that i ever use that anyway |
| [14:39:53] | clop: | qu0zl, ah, hrmn... is there a way to configure mplayer to use xvmc for mpeg1 and 2, but not for regular .avi files? |
| [14:39:59] | qu0zl: | you seen http://mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/XvMC ? If you want to get it working that may help |
| [14:40:13] | clop: | ah thanks |
| [14:40:39] | qu0zl: | i think it'll just fall back clop if xvmc doesn't apply. I don't honestly know, everything of mine is mpeg2 |
| [14:42:21] | clop: | aah, ok :) |
| [14:44:14] | clop: | ah, looks like you can set -vo xvmc,xv -vc ffmpeg12mc, so it will fall back to the second one |
| [14:49:19] | eps: | tuner cards have changed so much ... putting this 310i next to the 350 is insane |
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| [14:49:31] | daviey: | wooohoo, got lirc working |
| [14:52:18] | eps: | congrats |
| [14:52:26] | jblack: | Im buying a card at pchdtv.com. In the comments field I said "Wish you had a checkbox for 'Click to Donate $5 to mythtv and we'll match it!' |
| [14:52:26] | eps: | thats usually the hardest bit |
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| [14:56:00] | daviey: | eps, i've been using mythtv over a year using ir of a haupage card. Then i decided to split the front/backend up and use a lirc_serial. Boy did i regret it. It was harder than i thought! |
| [14:56:12] | daviey: | Is anybody here using mythgame? |
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| [15:15:12] | tcpsyn: | i went looking for that iguana infrared reciever, but the website isn't working |
| [15:15:18] | tcpsyn: | anyone know where I can get one. |
| [15:24:33] | eps: | tried ebay? |
| [15:26:08] | juski: | time to activate my out of office autoreply thingy |
| [15:26:12] | juski: | :) |
| [15:27:20] | juski: | hometime – for the last time this year. woohoo! |
| [15:30:49] | qu0zl: | heh, lucky you Juski |
| [15:30:55] | qu0zl: | enjoy the break |
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| [15:45:33] | stuarta: | afternoon all |
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| [15:48:52] | Cybertoy: | stream live-tv over the web... can this bve done with MythTV? |
| [15:49:33] | quicksilver: | if by 'web' you mean 'TCP/IP' then that's exactly what mythtv does |
| [15:49:51] | quicksilver: | if you mean 'to a webbrowser' then there is software available for that I believe |
| [15:50:02] | Cybertoy: | tnx... I mean the later... |
| [15:50:11] | Cybertoy: | I realize that it streams between the front and backend... |
| [15:50:19] | Cybertoy: | but I want to watch my livetv at work... :) |
| [15:50:43] | stuarta: | tried clicking on a recording? |
| [15:51:02] | Cybertoy: | I know that there's a plugin to then watch recordings... but I want the livetv... |
| [15:51:45] | stuarta: | ah, short answer no, long answer, how many hoops are you prepared to jump through? |
| [15:51:59] | Cybertoy: | quite a few... :) |
| [15:52:46] | Cybertoy: | except install something else other than MythTV ... I think MythTV rocks. |
| [15:52:55] | quicksilver: | technologically it ought to be possible, actually, but no one has bothered to get it working |
| [15:53:10] | quicksilver: | erm |
| [15:53:23] | quicksilver: | ought to be possible in the DVB case, where the myth live file is just an MPEG2 |
| [15:53:29] | quicksilver: | perhaps not in the NUV case, though. |
| [15:53:32] | quicksilver: | at least not so simply |
| [15:54:27] | Cybertoy: | yeah ... but that mpeg2 is quite a heavy stream... if I would stream that across my adsl line I don't think it's possible... so there's got to be some transcoding involved as well. |
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| [15:54:56] | stuarta: | the main problem is to transcode in realtime |
| [15:54:59] | quicksilver: | hmm yes that's a point |
| [15:55:07] | Cybertoy: | yeah ... |
| [15:55:08] | quicksilver: | I was kind of assuming a thick enough pipe |
| [15:55:22] | Cybertoy: | kinda like the slingbox... |
| [15:55:26] | ** stuarta demands bandwidth... ** | |
| [15:55:38] | quicksilver: | the upstream link on most ADSL lines would not be enough to get much quality at all, would it :( |
| [15:55:44] | jblack: | What does the slingbox do, anyways? |
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| [15:56:22] | eps: | will ivtv and v4l conflict? |
| [15:56:27] | Cybertoy: | with a slingbox at home you can watch your home tv over the internet anywhere you want. |
| [15:57:01] | eps: | eg waste bandwidth |
| [15:57:01] | _LM_: | Hi, is there anyone here who have already made a script to update the video-database outside of mythfrontend? |
| [15:57:07] | Cybertoy: | and slingbox works with your average home upstream... |
| [15:57:13] | Cybertoy: | not sure how they do it though. |
| [15:57:32] | j-rod: | high, high, high compression codec, low, low, low resolution |
| [15:57:40] | j-rod: | and low bitrate |
| [15:57:41] | stuarta: | mpeg encode in hw with a small output res i'd guess |
| [15:57:54] | Cybertoy: | which is fine... if I watch livetv at work I only want a small mediaplayer window anyway... |
| [15:58:17] | j-rod: | eps: ivtv and v4l work fine together... ivtv actually uses v4l... |
| [15:58:18] | Cybertoy: | clearly a nice to have. |
| [15:58:26] | Cybertoy: | seems like it can't do it out of the box. |
| [15:58:35] | Cybertoy: | and I can't find unofficial plugins for it either. |
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| [16:00:11] | eps: | so all going well getting my 350 to work will cause support for my 310i |
| [16:00:20] | j-rod: | Cybertoy: google mythtvstream |
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| [16:00:48] | Cybertoy: | j-rod, I though this only streams recordings ... but I'll check up on it again... thanks. |
| [16:01:17] | j-rod: | could be |
| [16:01:28] | j-rod: | were you wanting to stream livetv? |
| [16:01:31] | Cybertoy: | yep |
| [16:01:41] | j-rod: | yeah, dunno about that then |
| [16:01:48] | Cybertoy: | obviously a bit time-shifted due to the transcoding etc... but that's fine. |
| [16:01:53] | Cybertoy: | anyway.. tnx for the help. |
| [16:02:33] | j-rod: | sandeen! get back to work... ;) |
| [16:02:34] | stuarta: | dvbstream may be what you are looking for, tho no myth integration |
| [16:04:26] | j-rod: | eps: not entirely, looks like you also need dvb bits for the 310i (assuming that's a Pinnacle PCTV 310i) |
| [16:04:57] | j-rod: | but any sensible distro ought to support dvb cards w/o a problem |
| [16:05:18] | eps: | j-rod indeed |
| [16:05:33] | eps: | I do hope this card works, 186$ if not :| |
| [16:05:42] | j-rod: | aiee |
| [16:05:59] | j-rod: | what currency? |
| [16:06:08] | eps: | AUD |
| [16:06:24] | eps: | I remember back when the 350 first came out it was so awesome...so small |
| [16:06:30] | ** j-rod looks at USD-AUD exchange rate... ** | |
| [16:06:33] | eps: | looking at this 310i today I laughed |
| [16:06:40] | eps: | around 68–75cents |
| [16:06:49] | eps: | even the encoder chip is a fraction of the size |
| [16:07:09] | j-rod: | okay, so not too bad... |
| [16:07:20] | j-rod: | my PVR-350 has been sitting unused for probably a year now |
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| [16:08:03] | j-rod: | only recently started using my 150 and 250 again, for a test/devel system |
| [16:08:42] | eps: | well the goal behind tonight is "finally get it working as stated five years ago" |
| [16:08:43] | j-rod: | all about the HDTV capture cards now |
| [16:08:54] | eps: | heh the only original part of this box now is the 350 :P |
| [16:09:04] | eps: | yeah |
| [16:09:14] | eps: | I'm still not a HDTV convert yet |
| [16:09:23] | j-rod: | I think my 250 is prolly all that's left of my 1st MythTV box |
| [16:09:34] | j-rod: | ~4 years ago now |
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| [16:09:51] | ** seth|laptop needs to get another 150 ** | |
| [16:09:53] | j-rod: | only thing I record not in HDTV is kids shows |
| [16:09:54] | eps: | what I find funny is that the 350 still doesn't have good software under windows :P |
| [16:10:20] | j-rod: | wouldn't know, I'm fortunate enough to have not run Windows in like 2 years |
| [16:10:35] | Dr_willis: | I think "good software under windows" is an urban myth. |
| [16:10:36] | Dr_willis: | :) |
| [16:10:43] | eps: | j-rod about the same |
| [16:10:51] | j-rod: | Dr_willis: figured someone would say that... :) |
| [16:10:58] | eps: | Dr_willis linux works under windows! |
| [16:11:08] | Dr_willis: | windows works under linux! (barely) |
| [16:11:15] | Dr_willis: | heh... |
| [16:11:44] | j-rod: | hell, we even get our workstations and laptops from Dell without Windows... |
| [16:11:53] | Dr_willis: | I couldent get my Haugpage 150 TV card working under windows.. Windows kept ranting about some files getting over wrote and wanting the XP cd back. |
| [16:12:15] | Dr_willis: | If those files were SOOO imporntant – why couldent windows get them from the internet. :) |
| [16:12:22] | eps: | lol I switched to linux three years ago because windows was just to slow on my system and I couldn't afford a new pc |
| [16:12:33] | eps: | three years later I'm considering finally getting that new system |
| [16:12:39] | eps: | but only to play windows games under wine :P |
| [16:12:42] | Dr_willis: | I do have this MythTV box set up decently well.. on an old old system. |
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| [16:12:57] | eps: | my TOC for linux is so many thousands of dollars less than windows |
| [16:13:13] | Merlin83b2: | But what about your TCO? |
| [16:13:15] | j-rod: | table of contents? :) I think you mean TCO... |
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| [16:13:29] | eps: | if you can update your mythtv version without a complete rebuild you have done it right...that was the joke years ago :P |
| [16:13:29] | Dr_willis: | eps, a true geek. :) using TCO in a casual senctance... |
| [16:13:39] | eps: | total cost of ownership j-rod |
| [16:13:48] | ViViD: | does anyone have nuvexport?? the website to download it is offline |
| [16:14:31] | j-rod: | hrm, so it is... and xris is nowhere to be seen... |
| [16:15:08] | Dr_willis: | Got my shows recording.. but the comercials dont seem to be gettting zapped... |
| [16:15:11] | Dr_willis: | lets check my latest recording. Heh .. :) |
| [16:15:13] | j-rod: | got auto-skip turned on? |
| [16:15:14] | eps: | I've never even tried commercial killing under mythtv...always assumed it wouldn't work |
| [16:15:16] | Dr_willis: | Thats what im wondering.. i dont recall seeing an auto-skip se3tting... where it hidden at? |
| [16:15:26] | j-rod: | it works pretty damned good for everything I record |
| [16:15:36] | ViViD: | does anyone know another download source for nuvexport? |
| [16:16:18] | j-rod: | don't recall where the setting is |
| [16:16:18] | eps: | well as an EPG for au had been a huge issue for years I didn't consider it to be some thing that would work for au |
| [16:16:23] | jams: | hi j-rod I see they have let you out of the cubicle |
| [16:16:25] | Dr_willis: | Heh – yea. gotta love digging around the settings all over the place. :) |
| [16:16:43] | eps: | though I heard about some one using it fine the other week :P |
| [16:16:44] | j-rod: | ViViD: mythtv.org? |
| [16:16:46] | j-rod: | http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/browser/trunk/mythextras/nuvexport |
| [16:16:48] | janneg: | ViViD: if you use mythtv from svn trunk, you'll get nuvexport from svn |
| [16:16:53] | j-rod: | jams: yeah, finally getting my head above water |
| [16:16:54] | ViViD: | thanks, was trying to get it from forevermore but its down |
| [16:16:55] | j-rod: | just wrapped up a bunch of shit for xen on ia64 |
| [16:17:26] | janneg: | j-rod: he needs a recent mythtv for that or the correct revision |
| [16:17:38] | eps: | wow xubuntu boots fast |
| [16:17:41] | eps: | I should steal the cpu from this boxen |
| [16:17:43] | j-rod: | jams: w/RHEL5 *almost* to GA, things are finally slowing down a bit |
| [16:18:00] | jams: | heheh I'm still on RHEL3 |
| [16:18:13] | eps: | eww RH |
| [16:18:13] | jams: | just in time for the holidays! |
| [16:18:19] | j-rod: | janneg: ah, good point... |
| [16:18:26] | j-rod: | eww RH my ass |
| [16:18:32] | Dr_willis: | There we go, found the auto skip option. :P ya enable it while watching the show. |
| [16:18:44] | j-rod: | jams: they even give us a week and a half off... :) |
| [16:19:01] | Dr_willis: | and it works! :) |
| [16:19:10] | ** Dr_willis does a happy dance. ** | |
| [16:19:18] | j-rod: | Dr_willis: there's somewhere in the settings to turn it on by default too |
| [16:19:47] | Dr_willis: | j-rod, yea – i saw that setting on the MythWeb Interface/config tool.. but dident see it under MythTv-setup |
| [16:20:05] | j-rod: | eps: fyi, I *work* for Red Hat. :) |
| [16:20:09] | ** seth|laptop commflag is the only reason the wife let me "myth-ify" the living room, now she has totally converted, and even uses mythweb to schedule recordings ** | |
| [16:20:13] | Dr_willis: | i wondered if it only took affect on shows recorded after i eneabled it. |
| [16:20:22] | jams: | Dr_willis- its under the tv playback settings |
| [16:20:24] | Dr_willis: | Yea MythWeb is nice. |
| [16:20:29] | eps: | j-rod good. get them to redesign rpm from scratch |
| [16:20:30] | ViViD: | god im a noob |
| [16:20:46] | Dr_willis: | Speaking of Wifes.... My wife wants a Blackjack, or other card game to play using the remote. :) |
| [16:20:48] | ViViD: | how do i checkout svn? |
| [16:21:00] | Dr_willis: | our old DigitalCable Box had a few games. |
| [16:21:05] | j-rod: | Dr_willis: pretty sure all your shows should have cutpoints |
| [16:21:10] | ViViD: | thought i knew how to do it, but it locked up |
| [16:21:12] | j-rod: | eps: we're working on it |
| [16:21:32] | jams: | ViViD- directions are on the frontpage of svn.mythtv.org |
| [16:21:38] | eps: | j-rod thank god for that |
| [16:21:40] | eps: | also kill the bloat in RH |
| [16:21:43] | ViViD: | thanks |
| [16:21:51] | j-rod: | eps: https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-announ . . . sg00003.html |
| [16:21:56] | eps: | do those two things and I'll consider being a fan of RH again |
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| [16:22:19] | j-rod: | what bloat, exactly? |
| [16:22:39] | stuarta: | j-rod: i'd say the minimal install footprint vs debians |
| [16:22:40] | Dr_willis: | one mans bloat is another mans 'selling point' |
| [16:22:58] | eps: | good question...the one that used to piss me off when I used mandrake 9/10 and RH 7/8 |
| [16:23:06] | j-rod: | stuarta: what is the minimal debian install footprint? |
| [16:23:09] | Dr_willis: | anything over 50mb is is bloated. :) |
| [16:23:18] | seth|laptop: | j-rod: or a kernel config option at the initial install, to trim some fat out of the kernel, before 1st boot |
| [16:23:18] | eps: | I'm used to debian based distros these days so going to RH is like going to Windows |
| [16:23:23] | j-rod: | we do have it down under 300MB, iirc |
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| [16:23:32] | j-rod: | seth|laptop: why? |
| [16:23:43] | j-rod: | just about everything is built as a module |
| [16:23:47] | j-rod: | disk space is cheap |
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| [16:23:49] | eps: | erm my boot takes just under a minute...linux doesn't really reboot often so why bother with it? ....note I start a lot of services |
| [16:24:19] | ViViD: | jams: one last question, is there a way to check whether my ffmpeg was compiled with mp3 and xvid exporting? |
| [16:24:30] | ** stuarta debootstraps unstable for fun... ** | |
| [16:24:50] | j-rod: | use a kickstart, and you can get even more minimal |
| [16:24:51] | seth|laptop: | j-rod: well in truth I haven't used red hat since 9, but it always seemed to load so many things, and as I am not a smart fellow( easy now) recompiling that kernel, always vexed me so, if the option was there at the initial install, why not take out Gig ethernet, If I don't have it |
| [16:25:19] | j-rod: | seth|laptop: because the GbE drivers are built as modules |
| [16:25:21] | j-rod: | just don't load them |
| [16:25:27] | jams: | ViViD- ffmpeg -v should do it |
| [16:25:37] | j-rod: | (they won't be loaded unless the hardware is detected or you force-load it) |
| [16:25:47] | seth|laptop: | wel then I retract, I haven't used red hat in a while |
| [16:25:59] | j-rod: | so kill the GbE driver, and then what happens when you put a GbE NIC in? |
| [16:25:59] | jams: | heh redhat 8 and 9 were both awful |
| [16:26:04] | ViViD: | jams: much thanks |
| [16:26:05] | j-rod: | 8 sucked ass |
| [16:26:07] | eps: | also steal as many features from debian/gentoo/slackware as possible so that going between a non rpm based distro and a rpm based distro is seemless and not painfully archaic |
| [16:26:10] | jams: | yes it did |
| [16:26:15] | j-rod: | 9 was reasonably good |
| [16:26:21] | jams: | well better then 8 |
| [16:26:37] | j-rod: | we've definitely changed a LOT since RH9 tho |
| [16:26:42] | jams: | i do still have a a 9 box at work. happens to be my workstation |
| [16:26:49] | j-rod: | 6 Fedora releases down since then |
| [16:26:51] | ViViD: | jams: with ffmpeg -v, i should see something like --enable-mp3 and --enable-xvid right |
| [16:27:14] | j-rod: | and while I'm certainly biased, I think RHEL5 looks quite good |
| [16:27:16] | jams: | ViViD- something like that, not for sure though |
| [16:27:32] | ViViD: | yea, doesnt look like ubuntu compiled them in |
| [16:27:38] | ViViD: | lamers |
| [16:28:02] | j-rod: | we've certainly done our share to alienate users over the years, and I think a lot of people have bitter thoughts about RH and its distros that are now 3 years out-of-date |
| [16:28:07] | jams: | ViViD- others have also complained about that |
| [16:28:11] | eps: | oh how nice of the ubuntu developers...releasing one of their distros with a matched gcc version :) |
| [16:28:22] | ViViD: | jams: i bet |
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| [16:28:43] | ViViD: | no biggy tho, i host an apt server, ill just repackage it |
| [16:29:05] | jams: | j-rod- I guess not that redhat is trying to make ammends it's SuSE's turn to head down the dark path |
| [16:29:18] | jams: | not=now |
| [16:29:35] | j-rod: | we still giggle about that whole fiasco... |
| [16:29:53] | jams: | mixed feeling about it, just need to wait and see what happens |
| [16:30:45] | j-rod: | that, and Oracle's ureliable linux |
| [16:30:57] | jams: | hehe |
| [16:31:00] | j-rod: | Larry's just pissed because we bought jboss first |
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| [16:31:14] | eps: | OH GOOD GOD...my 350 installed without _any_ issues |
| [16:31:17] | jams: | I put no faith in ANYTHING that Larry does or says |
| [16:31:21] | eps: | who the hell made linux this user friendly |
| [16:31:26] | eps: | common, own up |
| [16:31:30] | jblack: | j-rod: Behind the scenes, ubuntu is doing worse than redhat ever did. |
| [16:31:38] | j-rod: | eps: if you must know... |
| [16:32:00] | j-rod: | jblack: yeah, heard some of the stories... |
| [16:32:05] | eps: | jblack agreed; ubuntu is on a very slippery slope...they didn't learn from history of rh, mdk, and the like |
| [16:32:23] | jblack: | I used to work for them. It got so evil there, that I couldn't accept the money any more |
| [16:32:47] | j-rod: | eps: most people don't realize just how many core kernel hackers are actually RH employees... Didn't realize it myself until I was working with 'em |
| [16:32:56] | stuarta: | they have some interesing ideas at ubuntu. |
| [16:32:59] | ** jblack looks at the calandar.. 28 months of nda to go. ** | |
| [16:33:09] | jblack: | calendar. |
| [16:33:13] | j-rod: | jblack: ooh, sounds fun... |
| [16:33:19] | jams: | j-rod- more then SuSE? |
| [16:33:23] | eps: | jblack I suspect ubuntu wont be a lead player in two years |
| [16:33:23] | stuarta: | like wanting to have mythtv as part of the next release |
| [16:33:35] | j-rod: | jams: pretty sure, yeah |
| [16:33:47] | jams: | Always thought it was fairly even |
| [16:33:51] | eps: | j-rod mmm haking the kernel and deciding how the distro is done are very different games |
| [16:33:59] | j-rod: | and suse, um, has a bad habit of not sending things upstream... |
| [16:34:08] | jams: | cant argue with that one |
| [16:34:11] | eps: | personally if I owned RH I'd redevelop from scratch based on debian or slackware |
| [16:34:13] | j-rod: | note that our fedora kernel maintainer used to work for suse |
| [16:34:35] | eps: | rpm isn't a wide format any more so the software repo argument isn't a valid one... |
| [16:35:11] | j-rod: | both rpm and deb have their advantages |
| [16:35:22] | j-rod: | I think you'd have to be on crack to switch to slackware though |
| [16:35:28] | eps: | indeed; I said base it on debian...I didn't say adopt deb |
| [16:35:30] | j-rod: | both rpm and deb both have their disadvantages as well |
| [16:35:32] | stuarta: | or gentoo :) |
| [16:35:33] | eps: | though I did say drop rpm :P |
| [16:35:58] | eps: | personally I think a new universal linux pack system would be better...and one not screwed by RH (eg LSB) |
| [16:36:09] | j-rod: | rpm is generally pretty good at what its supposed to do, if people know what they're doing |
| [16:36:11] | eps: | though getting every one to agree would be a nightmare :P |
| [16:36:12] | jblack: | There we go. 3 transcoding levels that make sense. |
| [16:36:20] | jblack: | btw, there's a bug in the mpg transcoder. |
| [16:36:38] | eps: | j-rod whereas deb is good at what it does even if the person doesn't know what they are doing |
| [16:36:49] | jblack: | Set the bitrate too high, and you'll get green bars at the top of the recording and frequent segfaults |
| [16:36:50] | j-rod: | should ask for clarification here.. |
| [16:36:57] | j-rod: | eps: what exactly do you think is wrong with rpm? |
| [16:37:39] | j-rod: | and if you say "dependency hell", I'll smack you |
| [16:37:41] | eps: | j-rod dependencies are still some thing to be worried about – lol. package size, update size |
| [16:37:45] | eps: | off the top of my head |
| [16:37:57] | j-rod: | so I take it you've not used any recent releases... |
| [16:38:00] | jblack: | that's not rpm. That's the package management system. Besides. these days, redhat has apt too. |
| [16:38:21] | j-rod: | we ship yum, and both apt for rpm and smart are in fedora extras |
| [16:38:23] | mtnbkr: | I've searched the forums, and googled etc. Have not found a good answer to this. Can someone explain what this error in my mythbackend log file means, and should I be worried about it: " [mpeg @ 0xsome-hex-number]Parser not found for Codec Id: 94210 ! " |
| [16:38:30] | eps: | j-rod I assisted a SLED 10 enterprise install three months ago and we have a RH test network at work |
| [16:38:35] | stuarta: | mtnbkr: ignore it |
| [16:38:38] | eps: | yum is a joke |
| [16:38:48] | j-rod: | then use apt |
| [16:38:57] | eps: | apt is a joke compared to aptitude (assuming you care about system image sizes) |
| [16:39:05] | j-rod: | and in what way is yum a joke? |
| [16:39:07] | eps: | and smart I'm unfamiliar with |
| [16:39:42] | j-rod: | its a bit slothful given that its mostly python, yes, but I don't see any dependency problems |
| [16:39:42] | Dr_willis: | Hmm.. why is it the few shows i want to record.. always overlap :) |
| [16:39:46] | eps: | it is confusing and complicated, it doesn't have diff based updating, its out put doesn't make sense and is badly formatted |
| [16:39:54] | mtnbkr: | stuarta: ok. If you say so. :) Any idea what it is actually complaining about? |
| [16:39:57] | Dr_willis: | I gotta go buy some more tuner cards I guess. |
| [16:40:11] | stuarta: | mtnbkr: the interactive tv streams mainly |
| [16:40:14] | j-rod: | I'm not all that familiar with aptitude |
| [16:40:45] | j-rod: | but no, I generally don't care about system image sizes — you can get a disk smaller than 80G in any new system these days |
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| [16:41:12] | eps: | so that's what that button does |
| [16:41:16] | j-rod: | heh |
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| [16:42:00] | j-rod: | diff-based updating does exist in rpm |
| [16:42:10] | j-rod: | RH doesn't use it, but suse does |
| [16:42:29] | Dr_willis: | Im still trying to figure out what Genius at Sony decided to put Laptop Sized SATA drives of 20/60gb sizes in the PS3 |
| [16:42:33] | jams: | yes they do, and I prefer that they didn't |
| [16:42:48] | eps: | we didn't do any updating above the stock image at the install I did the other month, so I didn't notice it |
| [16:42:53] | j-rod: | jams: yeah, we're not fans |
| [16:43:12] | eps: | diff based updating should work flawlessly? |
| [16:44:03] | eps: | the only issue under aptitude is that they don't have a max size test to see if downloading the current package list compared to the diff is worthwhile...meaning if you don't update for a few months it will get every days updates :P |
| [16:44:05] | eps: | which takes ages |
| [16:44:13] | eps: | still faster than binary update but still slow |
| [16:44:14] | jams: | it works, but when you want to do things "outside the box" those diffs cause problems |
| [16:44:21] | eps: | (at least compared to the last time I used mdk) |
| [16:44:33] | eps: | jams the diffs are for the source lists... |
| [16:45:12] | j-rod: | lots of overhead/added complexity for very minimal gain |
| [16:45:37] | eps: | j-rod I like the goals RH email :P |
| [16:45:49] | eps: | minimal gain? oh you're american |
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| [16:46:05] | j-rod: | would be nice for the beast that is openoffice, but otherwise, not really worth it |
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| [16:46:27] | j-rod: | heh, yeah, that I am |
| [16:46:56] | j-rod: | with a 15Mbps downstream data pipe at home, so 10k versus 10MB makes little difference to me :) |
| [16:47:06] | eps: | see...the rest of the world excluding asian has crap internet |
| [16:47:23] | eps: | even now I'm on a fast speed for my country and it's only 512 |
| [16:47:24] | Dr_willis: | Hmm.. Is ther a way to get the weather center – to also play an audio stream as its showing the weather info. |
| [16:47:54] | eps: | j-rod how about I live at your house :D |
| [16:48:08] | j-rod: | eps: yeah, hopefully we even follow through w/what we say ... ;) |
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| [16:48:37] | eps: | j-rod that would go a long way towards restoring the faith I used to have in RH |
| [16:48:40] | j-rod: | eps: there's a futon in the office downstairs, but its a little noisy w/the hardware I have running in there... |
| [16:48:47] | eps: | RH needs to reinvent itself :P |
| [16:49:38] | eps: | mmm how would one tell if they were using an i2c remote controll...I believe the old 350 one was |
| [16:49:54] | j-rod: | at least a large portion of us realize we've done a lot of stupid shit to alienate people outside the enterprise market, and we're definitely working on trying to remedy that |
| [16:50:19] | jblack: | Some of us have noticed. :) |
| [16:50:22] | j-rod: | 350's dongle uses the lirc_i2c driver, yes |
| [16:50:26] | j-rod: | jblack: :) |
| [16:50:48] | jblack: | Discussion of redhat was banned in dalnet #linux once upon a time. These days, fedora is fully supported |
| [16:51:04] | eps: | j-rod personally I'd like to see RH make rpm good; become an equal player (not the french) on the LSB and make that worth some thing, and basically pitch themselves as a stable ubuntu |
| [16:51:36] | eps: | jblack yes but most people have forgotten about how much RH really did screw every one years ago...thus it is allowed again |
| [16:51:54] | jblack: | People can change. So can companies. |
| [16:52:00] | j-rod: | discussion about un-fucking rpm has been going on for quite a bit internally, gears have been in motion for a while, only made things public a few days ago |
| [16:52:43] | eps: | ubuntu is nice for the home and we use it on some desktops at work but we'd never deploy it wide scale – it just isn't mature enough. whereas RH in its current state makes linux look like it is still stuck in 2003 (the enterprise version that is) |
| [16:53:18] | jblack: | Well, the general idea behind ubuntu is that you target a particular distro. |
| [16:53:25] | jblack: | There's short lived ones and long lived ones. |
| [16:53:34] | jblack: | pardon, a particular release. |
| [16:53:56] | eps: | mmm how do I tell where my 350 cards output is in /dev and where the 310i's output is |
| [16:54:11] | j-rod: | eps: RHEL5 RSN, and its a BIG step forward from RHEL4 |
| [16:54:15] | jblack: | Dapper is a long lived one. It'll be supported for bugs and backports for something like 3 or 5 years. |
| [16:55:02] | eps: | we have three ubuntu servers at work (damn windows admins) and I'm trying to get them all onto LTS ubuntu release |
| [16:55:18] | Dr_willis: | LTS means Long Term Support. LTS versions of Ubuntu will be supported for 3 years on the desktop, and 5 years on the server. |
| [16:55:23] | eps: | one day I'll sneak them all onto debian |
| [16:55:40] | Dr_willis: | whatever 'that' actually means... 5 on the server... |
| [16:55:55] | j-rod: | now wait a minute... talk about stuck in 2003... debian stable or unstable? ;) |
| [16:56:28] | stuarta: | hehe stable is never going to be current, just like rhel |
| [16:56:35] | jblack: | Would debian be so huggable if it could pull its head out of it's own ass? |
| [16:56:40] | eps: | j-rod yes but that isn't a crap and bloated stable |
| [16:56:47] | eps: | besides, every debian uses runs testing :p |
| [16:57:06] | stuarta: | stable is for servers |
| [16:57:10] | j-rod: | I never was a big RHEL4 fan |
| [16:57:17] | j-rod: | (or RHEL3, really) |
| [16:57:20] | eps: | I'm a big fan of debians long release cycle, and I think etches release will be a bit to soon |
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| [16:57:26] | jams: | j-rod- were you the person that setup cacti to graph the number of hours recorded by myth? |
| [16:57:42] | eps: | because once debian comes out you can _trust_ that release to run on a server for the rest of the HARDWARES life |
| [16:57:43] | j-rod: | jams: heh, no, not me, sounds neat tho |
| [16:57:49] | jams: | ok |
| [16:58:14] | jams: | can't remember who it was and I don't want to reinvent the wheel |
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| [16:58:29] | j-rod: | eps: are you saying you can't trust a RHEL release to continue to run on the same hardware it runs on today? |
| [16:58:47] | ** j-rod wonders how many hours he's recorded... ** | |
| [16:59:04] | eps: | j-rod I didn't say that. I wouldn't put RHEL on a server unless you payed me a bit though |
| [16:59:07] | j-rod: | My database still has recorded program info from like early 2003 |
| [16:59:23] | jams: | same here |
| [16:59:29] | jams: | well I guess mine is late 2003 |
| [16:59:38] | j-rod: | eps: okay, just wanted to clarify, because that *is* one of the goals of RHEL |
| [16:59:38] | jblack: | idle : 9d 1:14:14.47 66.3% |
| [16:59:49] | j-rod: | along with being able to run on hardware it couldn't 2 years ago |
| [16:59:54] | jblack: | That's not bad. The machine finally gets exercise. |
| [17:00:19] | j-rod: | all my boxen in the office got bounced yesterday |
| [17:00:21] | ** jams goes back to c++ ** | |
| [17:00:27] | j-rod: | popped a circuit |
| [17:00:38] | j-rod: | too many machines in my cube |
| [17:00:48] | eps: | j-rod if I was to consider RH in an enterprise situation it would be as desktops/workstations only – and hey, it's RHs ads that pushed that perception into my mind :P |
| [17:01:35] | j-rod: | eps: I rather dislike RHEL{3,4} on the desktop |
| [17:01:51] | j-rod: | I could live with RHEL5 for a while, but I'm way too bleeding edge |
| [17:01:56] | eps: | I wouldn't mind getting a mac server at work, that'd be a bit of fun to play |
| [17:02:02] | j-rod: | hell, I'm the one who packaged up beryl for fedora... :) |
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| [17:02:11] | eps: | j-rod you're talking to the guy running most of his wm from experimental :P |
| [17:02:14] | ** j-rod counts the macs in his cube... ** | |
| [17:02:24] | j-rod: | only 2 today |
| [17:02:25] | eps: | I have two! do I win? :| |
| [17:02:41] | eps: | bugger, tie |
| [17:02:42] | eps: | I can't find a copy of 10.3.x anywhere :| |
| [17:02:44] | j-rod: | run around the office, and you'll find a ton |
| [17:04:28] | eps: | half an hour till mythtv is downloaded |
| [17:04:40] | eps: | I wonder what version I'm getting |
| [17:04:55] | j-rod: | okay, I understand why ya like the diff updates... ;) |
| [17:05:00] | eps: | ah awesome .20 |
| [17:05:10] | eps: | j-rod diff updates for the source lists |
| [17:05:12] | eps: | not for the packages |
| [17:05:27] | j-rod: | oh. |
| [17:05:30] | eps: | then again, only updating the files changed would save a lot more bandwidth :P |
| [17:05:41] | Merlin83b: | Hooray for rsync! |
| [17:05:47] | j-rod: | well that's an even tinier savings than I was thinking... |
| [17:05:48] | eps: | as some one said again, diffs for packages would be silly |
| [17:06:06] | ** j-rod points at suse ** | |
| [17:06:09] | j-rod: | they do that |
| [17:06:25] | eps: | j-rod if you download a full source list every day is it like doing your rpm source updates, which builds up to a lot by itself daily |
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| [17:06:30] | eps: | and ties up your net |
| [17:06:33] | eps: | remember we have download limits too :P |
| [17:06:48] | eps: | for example...I'll probably get shaped to dial up speeds before this download is finished |
| [17:07:26] | j-rod: | I get what you're talking about now |
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| [17:08:53] | j-rod: | yes, if there are updates, I do think yum re-downloads the entire primary.xml.gz file to get its updated packages listing |
| [17:09:17] | j-rod: | but its only a 1.0M file for rawhide, even smaller for -updates to a stable release |
| [17:10:16] | j-rod: | FC6 updates primary repodata is only 391k |
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| [17:10:29] | eps: | j-rod I have around 15 sources |
| [17:10:35] | eps: | :P |
| [17:10:42] | eps: | most of them are huge |
| [17:11:00] | eps: | I should really compile more things...to lazy |
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| [17:11:48] | j-rod: | when I do compile things, its only into an rpm |
| [17:12:01] | j-rod: | (well, usually) |
| [17:12:09] | j-rod: | I don't see using packages as lazy |
| [17:12:40] | j-rod: | its far harder to manage a system w/mixed source and packaged installs |
| [17:12:47] | eps: | gentoo people yell loudly if you over use packages...I know far to many of those ricers |
| [17:13:21] | j-rod: | love that web site |
| [17:14:17] | j-rod: | same theory applies to gentoo also |
| [17:14:32] | j-rod: | mixing ebuilds and source-only installs can get messy just the same |
| [17:14:36] | frink_: | Hey hey.... |
| [17:14:53] | frink_: | Does anybody know what would cause mythtv not to schedule recordings or be able to watch live tv? |
| [17:15:03] | frink_: | prevously recorded stuff is fine, but I can not watch live tv or schedule stuff.. |
| [17:15:21] | j-rod: | time to think about lunch... |
| [17:15:35] | frink_: | lunch... |
| [17:15:41] | frink_: | but it's like 17:15 |
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| [17:18:31] | j-rod: | not in the eastern us |
| [17:18:39] | ** j-rod goes off to find food ** | |
| [17:18:41] | frink_: | sheesh |
| [17:18:49] | frink_: | you have differant times too! |
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| [17:19:11] | j-rod: | even within the country — its only 9:15 back home in Seattle... |
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| [17:21:19] | ** kslater flees the frustrations of work to find refuge in the myth world.. ** | |
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| [17:24:07] | juski: | frink_: maybe your tuners appearing in a different order after a reboot |
| [17:27:46] | seth|laptop: | juski: updating to last nights svn-fixes, resolved my ivtv DMA issues :-) |
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| [17:30:55] | juski: | seth|laptop: good! :) |
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| [17:38:43] | seth|laptop: | well that is really the only thing I had changed, I did the newest ivtv drivers, but that didnt help, perhaps it was a combination of bioth |
| [17:39:23] | ** frink_ only has one tuner ** | |
| [17:39:24] | frink_: | hmm |
| [17:39:34] | frink_: | maybe i'll undefine the tuner and put it back again |
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| [17:45:39] | mlehrer: | i am getting this error on one channel: |
| [17:45:41] | mlehrer: | 2006-12–15 00:35:52.386 Could not find channel 5_2 in TVCT |
| [17:46:00] | mlehrer: | any clues? i'm about to delete & re-add it in mythtv |
| [17:46:47] | seth|laptop: | mlehrer: how long ago did the chaneel work for you |
| [17:47:41] | mlehrer: | seth|laptop: several weeks |
| [17:47:52] | mlehrer: | 5_2 is the only channel that seems to be broken though |
| [17:47:54] | seth|laptop: | mlehrer: are you in the US and using zap2it? |
| [17:47:58] | mlehrer: | yes & yes |
| [17:48:10] | mlehrer: | did they change xmlid's or something |
| [17:48:49] | seth|laptop: | ok, last week, my channel 21_2 went away, I went back to zap2it only to discover, they removed, and re-added it from the line-up, after adding it back, and running mythfilldatabase, the channel returned |
| [17:49:29] | mlehrer: | yeah i had to re-do that too |
| [17:49:35] | mlehrer: | the channel shows up fine in the listings |
| [17:49:42] | mlehrer: | it just gives that error whenever it wants to record it |
| [17:49:43] | seth|laptop: | zap2it is always doing things like that, for a while, all of my hd channels changed numbers, and then they changed back, that would be the first place to look |
| [17:49:49] | mlehrer: | xmlid is 39849 and seems to match |
| [17:49:51] | seth|laptop: | hmm |
| [17:50:06] | seth|laptop: | does it show up in channel scan during mythtv-setup? |
| [17:50:29] | mlehrer: | that's how i originally loaded it |
| [17:50:41] | seth|laptop: | well I had to re-scan, after adding it back |
| [17:50:53] | mlehrer: | ok i'll try that |
| [17:51:17] | seth|laptop: | i would push in 212 from the remote, and it wouldn't go anywhare, so then I re-ran mythtv-setup, had it rediscover the cahnnel, and then it worked, however YMMV |
| [17:51:51] | seth|laptop: | it is a PITA, but sometimes it just happens :-) |
| [17:52:07] | seth|laptop: | you can only hope to catch it before you try to record something, hehe |
| [17:53:12] | mlehrer: | yeah i have been missing shows since thanksgiving |
| [17:55:19] | seth|laptop: | occasionally my xmltvid get swtiched around as well, with my pbs_hd I record childrens shows for my daughter in the morning, and once in a while I get some nova show, but a quick edit in the mythweb and its all better, I guess I shouldn't run mythfill every night on a cron job |
| [17:55:48] | seth|laptop: | but I can't argue with free ;-) |
| [17:56:07] | juski: | damn. my butler is out so I'll have to polish my own shoes |
| [17:56:38] | seth|laptop: | so you are on holiday until after the new year, pretty sweet |
| [17:56:57] | juski: | aye :) |
| [17:57:09] | seth|laptop: | I debaterd doing that, but I need to save my vaction time for the spring,when baby girl #2 comes into the world |
| [17:57:29] | juski: | I had a choice – basically take the time off or lose the days |
| [17:57:58] | seth|laptop: | I have had use or lose days in my time |
| [17:58:51] | juski: | not that I mind much. I mean I get 25 days paid leave |
| [17:59:34] | seth|laptop: | hey, I guess you could look at it as getting paid for myth-developement, ;-) |
| [17:59:54] | juski: | no, I pay you guys |
| [17:59:59] | juski: | in blood, sweat & tears |
| [18:00:02] | seth|laptop: | hehe |
| [18:00:36] | seth|laptop: | I laugh, but, if it wasn't for people like you, and this channel, I'd probably be running MCE |
| [18:01:05] | juski: | heheh |
| [18:01:15] | juski: | I'm not being funny here, but try doing a theme sometime |
| [18:02:12] | seth|laptop: | your, especially, nicest looking one so far, the images are crips, and very nice, I couldn't even imagune where to begin |
| [18:02:42] | juski: | anyway if it wasn't for everybody involved in linux from the top to the bottom, we'd all be using MCE & putting up with it |
| [18:02:54] | seth|laptop: | yeah |
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| [18:05:45] | CharlieSu: | anyone here running gentoo and a pvr150 ?? |
| [18:05:53] | seth|laptop: | well now I get to do my part in testing as well, I got accepted by cesman to test an E release of KP, can't wait until tomorrow, get to fire it off |
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| [18:07:34] | NAiL: | Anyone know how I can only compile the mythtv backend? |
| [18:08:12] | NAiL: | I'm going to compile natively on a 600Mhz ARM box, so I'd like to save time (and dependencies) by only building the backend. |
| [18:08:14] | seth|laptop: | wow, thats a good question, I know you can build a frontend-only gentoo box |
| [18:08:44] | eps: | NAiL just follow the instructions in the mythtv documentation |
| [18:08:56] | seth|laptop: | never though of backend-only |
| [18:08:57] | NAiL: | eps: Where? I can't find any info on that |
| [18:09:12] | eps: | NAiL it was there four years ago...can't see why it'd be gone now |
| [18:11:06] | NAiL: | I've tried to read the docs, but I can't figure out the answer to that question. I'm not coming here to ask because I'm lazy :-P |
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| [18:12:04] | NAiL: | eps: eg. http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-5.html#ss5.4 |
| [18:12:26] | NAiL: | it doesn't say *how* to do it. It hints that it is possible... |
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| [18:12:47] | CharlieSu: | Has anyone seen this ivtv issue before? http://rafb.net/paste/results/vbUg8e68.html ?? i'd love some help |
| [18:17:28] | seth|laptop: | CharlieSu: yes, I had it up until last night |
| [18:17:50] | CharlieSu: | seth|laptop: what was the fix? |
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| [18:18:05] | CharlieSu: | seth|laptop: i'm running Gentoo and i've been unable to fix this.... |
| [18:18:20] | CharlieSu: | i've tried ivtv .8 and .9 on different kernels... killing me... |
| [18:18:21] | mlehrer: | you can start by not running gentoo |
| [18:18:33] | NAiL: | heh |
| [18:18:35] | CharlieSu: | mlehrer: quit being a flame.. |
| [18:18:37] | seth|laptop: | I did the following, updated to the latest ivtv drivers for my kernel, still experienced it, then last night I updated mythtv to the latest svn, i think it was 12263, and low and behold now it works, as a temporary fix, I shutdown mythfrontend, and I did not see the error |
| [18:18:59] | mlehrer: | just trying to help |
| [18:19:04] | seth|laptop: | but now it works flawlessly |
| [18:19:26] | CharlieSu: | seth|laptop: humm.. ok. what is URL for repos?? |
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| [18:19:31] | seth|laptop: | I installed mythtv .20 svn-fixes and agin I think it was 12263 that I got last night |
| [18:19:51] | seth|laptop: | lemme check my svn script |
| [18:19:59] | CharlieSu: | seth|laptop: do you run RAID or SMP? |
| [18:21:37] | D-side: | I've never seen that ivtv error. |
| [18:21:59] | seth|laptop: | svn co http://svn.mythtv.org/svn/branches/release-0-20-fixes/mythtv then /mythplugins then /mythtemes |
| [18:22:06] | D-side: | has this ever worked for you? |
| [18:22:08] | CharlieSu: | k thanks seth |
| [18:22:29] | CharlieSu: | D-side: this is a new setup.. so no.. i just put this box together.. i've had myth running on other systems before though |
| [18:22:51] | CharlieSu: | D-side: i am running software raid.. i'm rebuilding kernel now without SMP support for the p4 |
| [18:22:52] | D-side: | interesting, i didn't see where seth said he saw this same problem. carry on. :) |
| [18:23:35] | D-side: | i dunno that it'll be an smp problem |
| [18:23:49] | seth|laptop: | D-side: oh, it started 3 days ago, killing mythfrontend allowed my recording to take place, but after the svn update last night, it is now working flawlessly |
| [18:23:53] | D-side: | i've been running my backend on a dual core amd proc. |
| [18:23:54] | CharlieSu: | D-side: i was here all lastnight trying to get it up and running.... what is strange is that my tuner can detect channels no problem with ivtv-tune |
| [18:23:58] | CharlieSu: | even in myth.... |
| [18:24:17] | CharlieSu: | but when i cat out /dev/video0 it will only record about 125k then it stops |
| [18:24:38] | seth|laptop: | CharlieSu: I am running knoppmyth R5D1 kernel 2.6.17-chw-8 |
| [18:25:22] | CharlieSu: | seth|laptop: raid or smp? |
| [18:25:33] | seth|laptop: | CharlieSu: try doing that with mythfrontend not running and see what you get |
| [18:25:38] | seth|laptop: | smp |
| [18:26:09] | CharlieSu: | yeah.. i think smp might be problem.. i've found a few threads in the forums |
| [18:26:19] | CharlieSu: | BRB.. rebooting.. |
| [18:26:29] | Krazylegz: | seth|laptop: boot. |
| [18:26:29] | seth|laptop: | when I had mythfrontend running, my recordings would stop like 20 minutes in, or usually .5 GB |
| [18:26:35] | seth|laptop: | Krazylegz: boot |
| [18:26:36] | Krazylegz: | seth|laptop: No more #lanc-lug for you anymore? |
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| [18:26:46] | seth|laptop: | I keep forgetting to add it |
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| [18:29:45] | yiipi: | hi all |
| [18:29:57] | yiipi: | I got a problem with my DVB card |
| [18:30:01] | yiipi: | 2006-12–15 20:27:47.603 Loading from: /usr/share/mythtv/themes/G.A.N.T./base.xml |
| [18:30:02] | yiipi: | 2006-12–15 20:27:47.672 Loading from: /usr/share/mythtv/themes/default/base.xml |
| [18:30:02] | yiipi: | 2006-12–15 20:28:21.616 New DB connection, total: 2 |
| [18:30:03] | yiipi: | 2006-12–15 20:28:21.618 Connected to database 'mythconverg' at host: localhost |
| [18:30:03] | yiipi: | 2006-12–15 20:28:21.628 New DB connection, total: 3 |
| [18:30:03] | yiipi: | 2006-12–15 20:28:21.630 Connected to database 'mythconverg' at host: localhost |
| [18:30:05] | yiipi: | 2006-12–15 20:29:22.855 DiSEqCDevTree, Warning: No device tree for cardid 1 |
| [18:30:07] | yiipi: | 2006-12–15 20:29:27.612 DiSEqCDevTree, Error: No root device tree node! |
| [18:30:11] | yiipi: | 2006-12–15 20:29:27.613 DVBChan(0) Error: Tune(): Failed to setup DiSEqC devices |
| [18:30:29] | kslater: | yiipi – pastebin.ca |
| [18:31:21] | sdlnxgk: | Good Morning / Afternoon Everyone !!! |
| [18:32:06] | mlehrer: | hello |
| [18:32:20] | seth|laptop: | wie ghets |
| [18:34:30] | yiipi: | 2006-12–15 20:27:47.603 Loading from: /usr/share/mythtv/themes/G.A.N.T./base.xml |
| [18:34:30] | yiipi: | 2006-12–15 20:27:47.672 Loading from: /usr/share/mythtv/themes/default/base.xml |
| [18:34:31] | yiipi: | 2006-12–15 20:28:21.616 New DB connection, total: 2 |
| [18:34:31] | yiipi: | 2006-12–15 20:28:21.618 Connected to database 'mythconverg' at host: localhost |
| [18:34:31] | yiipi: | 2006-12–15 20:28:21.628 New DB connection, total: 3 |
| [18:34:32] | yiipi: | 2006-12–15 20:28:21.630 Connected to database 'mythconverg' at host: localhost |
| [18:34:34] | yiipi: | 2006-12–15 20:29:22.855 DiSEqCDevTree, Warning: No device tree for cardid 1 |
| [18:34:36] | yiipi: | 2006-12–15 20:29:27.612 DiSEqCDevTree, Error: No root device tree node! |
| [18:34:38] | yiipi: | 2006-12–15 20:29:27.613 DVBChan(0) Error: Tune(): Failed to setup DiSEqC devices |
| [18:34:40] | yiipi: | what to do? |
| [18:34:50] | Linuxkrn|wrk: | yiipi: use a pastebin |
| [18:38:09] | juski: | almost time to go out & get steaming drunk :) |
| [18:38:21] | daedalus_: | steaming? |
| [18:38:24] | seth|laptop: | mmmm beer |
| [18:38:31] | juski: | er I mean partake in a few seasonal alcoholic beverages |
| [18:39:07] | juski: | steaming == shitfaced == incoherent == rat-arsed |
| [18:39:15] | seth|laptop: | wife got me an early christmas gift, case of guiness in the wine rack |
| [18:39:20] | juski: | it's the British way dontcha know ;) |
| [18:39:50] | NAiL: | Noone knows how to only compile the backend? |
| [18:40:13] | juski: | ./configure --help |
| [18:40:14] | seth|laptop: | NAiL: I don't think there is a backend-only switch |
| [18:40:19] | juski: | but it might be missing |
| [18:40:29] | juski: | just take the few MBs hit & build it all |
| [18:41:00] | NAiL: | I'm building on an embedded box... |
| [18:41:23] | juski: | http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=mythtv+backe . . . =10&sa=N |
| [18:41:42] | juski: | there used to be a flag for it --backendonly but I dunno if it works |
| [18:41:54] | ** seth|laptop didn't realise the uk had its own google ** | |
| [18:42:12] | juski: | you could go about it another way & just build the lot then delete what you don't need |
| [18:42:31] | NAiL: | duh, it was as simple as --disable-frontend |
| [18:42:45] | NAiL: | possibly... |
| [18:42:46] | NAiL: | WARNING: --disable-frontend is only intended to aid porting. |
| [18:42:46] | NAiL: | WARNING: THIS WILL BREAK THINGS. You are on your own now. |
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| [18:42:49] | ** seth|laptop learned something new ** | |
| [18:43:03] | juski: | ./configure --help is your friend |
| [18:43:04] | seth|laptop: | eww, thats a wicked warning |
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| [18:43:19] | juski: | anyway – time to hit the road. laters guys & gals |
| [18:43:22] | NAiL: | juski: It doesn't show up in --help |
| [18:43:33] | janneg: | juski: no, daniel removed from the help |
| [18:43:37] | juski: | like I said some things are hidden from you for your own good |
| [18:43:41] | juski: | ;) |
| [18:43:48] | juski: | g'night |
| [18:44:40] | NAiL: | nite |
| [18:45:28] | seth|laptop: | later |
| [18:45:35] | seth|laptop: | tip one back for me |
| [18:46:13] | eps: | has any one worked with the saaa7133 driver? |
| [18:46:37] | eps: | if so how do I get this version "the card is autodetected with lastest mercurial" |
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| [18:48:13] | stuarta: | evening all |
| [18:48:28] | eps: | evening |
| [18:48:42] | bsjeep: | hi, anyone got analog w/audio working with DVICO lite or gold RT ?? |
| [18:50:31] | bsjeep: | I got video without sound on gold RT, then when I loaded the cx88 driver and configured, it locks up after 3 secs of recording. |
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| [18:57:05] | yiipi: | how to decode scrambled channels with mythv |
| [18:57:14] | yiipi: | how to decode scrambled channels with mythtv |
| [18:57:22] | frink_: | you need a de-scramvler |
| [18:57:28] | mlehrer: | a lot of people are interested in that question |
| [18:57:43] | mlehrer: | as it turns out, "they" are getting quite good at scrambling |
| [18:57:58] | stuarta: | and we only discuss *legal* ways of doing it here. MMMKAY???? |
| [18:58:10] | mlehrer: | you can get hardware hacks e.g. nextcom, which i believe are legal |
| [18:58:12] | PiranhaP: | Does anybody know of a resolution for the 'undefined reference to glx{Get,Wait}VideoSyncSGI' errors when compiling Myth 0.19? The only answer I've found are either: 1) Upgrade to 0.20 or 2) Disable opengl support I like neither of those. |
| [18:58:20] | mlehrer: | but relatively big $$ |
| [18:59:28] | yiipi: | is it possible for descrembling channels with mythtv with key's |
| [19:00:24] | kslater: | yiipi I think it can be done by a large team of monkeys in the signal path |
| [19:00:43] | stuarta: | yiipi: only if you have a CAM and legal viewing card |
| [19:02:37] | yiipi: | kslater: thnk's for that clue I'll send them now :) |
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| [19:05:45] | Pete__: | Is anyone here running myth 0.20 on suse 10.2? |
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| [19:09:03] | PiranhaP: | If anybody responded to me... my apologies, had to switch networks. |
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| [19:18:20] | rsdvd: | Hi – can anyone please help me get my remote working with MythDora? I have a mceusb2 remote but I cannot get it to work? |
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| [19:19:21] | Cybertoy: | I have a MCE remote on MythTV running Fedora... it works. |
| [19:19:27] | kormoc: | rsdvd, do you have the lirc_mceusb2 kernel module loaded? |
| [19:19:30] | Cybertoy: | pretty straight forward if you follow the instructions. |
| [19:19:55] | Cybertoy: | lirc_mceusb2 was already included in my Fedora Core 6 kernel |
| [19:20:13] | kormoc: | Cybertoy, included != loaded :P |
| [19:20:16] | Cybertoy: | HOWEVER .. I am having problems with response ... sometimes it doesn't seem to respond... |
| [19:20:31] | Cybertoy: | kormoc, that's right... but once I plugged the IR receiver in, it automatically loaded the module. |
| [19:20:38] | rsdvd: | Cybertoy : I chose the mceusb2 remote in the Mythdora install.....but it lirc_mceusb2 module does not seem to be loaded |
| [19:20:50] | kormoc: | Cybertoy, I've noticed it has some issues if the bottom of the receiver is slightly blocked. |
| [19:21:14] | rsdvd: | I expected the usb hotswap/udev stuff to load the module |
| [19:22:03] | Cybertoy: | so what happens when you do "modprobe lirc_mceusb2" ? |
| [19:22:15] | rsdvd: | a modprobe lirc_mceusb2 gives a Moduel not found |
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| [19:22:32] | Cybertoy: | kormoc, hmm.. ok .. gonna have to try to play with the position of the receiver then... |
| [19:22:48] | kormoc: | mythdora is fc5 anyway, and it doesn't seem to be by default in fc5 by my glancing around, but I might have missed it |
| [19:22:58] | Cybertoy: | that's probably it... |
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| [19:23:19] | rsdvd: | why the position of the reciver? |
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| [19:23:33] | Cybertoy: | rsdvd, you'll have to get the module and compile it for your kernel |
| [19:23:44] | kormoc: | rsdvd, donno, I've just noticed that it happens to be a little strange like that |
| [19:23:46] | Cybertoy: | rsdvd, that was related to the performance problem I'm having with my mce remote. |
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| [19:23:59] | rsdvd: | the mythdora release claims to have the support built in |
| [19:24:25] | Cybertoy: | then they're lying. |
| [19:24:30] | rsdvd: | ok.....If I can get it to even register to irw then I will play with the location |
| [19:24:31] | Cybertoy: | lieing |
| [19:24:42] | rsdvd: | :-) |
| [19:25:02] | Kazriko: | so, what is a good remote for myth, anyway? I had the Hauppauge one working for awhile, but it didn't seem optimal. |
| [19:25:19] | Cybertoy: | Kazriko, I asked that question here and MCE was the answer at the time... |
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| [19:25:34] | seth|laptop: | MCE reciever, Harmony remote |
| [19:25:48] | Cybertoy: | so I went out and bought it ... the install was very much straight forward and besides the performance problmes I'm not having issues. |
| [19:25:55] | Cybertoy: | and I use the Harmony remote like seth. |
| [19:25:57] | Kazriko: | Ahh, so the MCE remote doesn't work well? |
| [19:26:12] | seth|laptop: | the MCE remote lirc.conf, has way more button assignments available, that the remote itself does not contiain IMO |
| [19:26:18] | Cybertoy: | no .. but the Harmony also controls the other 20 devices... :) |
| [19:26:39] | Kazriko: | heh, I only have 3 devices including mythtv. |
| [19:27:08] | cureless: | I have 1, mythtv. |
| [19:27:53] | Cybertoy: | then you're probably fine with using the MCE remote... |
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| [19:28:05] | seth|laptop: | well the MCE remote works, but doesn't have enough buttons to do all that the MCE remote can do, with the harmony, you load the MCE config, and get lots of buttons |
| [19:28:06] | Cybertoy: | I think the MCE remote has some flexibility that it can control your screen and volume. |
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| [19:28:27] | ** Kazriko debates buying the media center version of the PVR150 card... ** | |
| [19:28:45] | cureless: | Kazriko: what for? |
| [19:28:46] | seth|laptop: | Kazriko: thats what I bought, the remote works well |
| [19:28:59] | Kazriko: | cureless, My second PVR150 card is shot, and I wanted to get a new remote. |
| [19:29:04] | cureless: | The remote on my non-MCE version works fine too |
| [19:29:25] | Kazriko: | Its a pain to keep the hauppauge one going, and I wanted to be able to plug it into my PS3 eventually. |
| [19:29:40] | cureless: | and actually, I don't know if everybody knew this but me, I just recently started using the IR blaster on the PVR-150, sweet. |
| [19:29:50] | Kazriko: | I have my 27inch hooked to the computer now, but it'd be nicer to use it on the PS3 with myth. |
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| [19:30:14] | seth|laptop: | so the PS3 will run mythtv? |
| [19:30:25] | Kazriko: | seth|laptop, I haven't set it up yet. |
| [19:30:33] | Kazriko: | it should though, it's just a 3.2mhz powerpc |
| [19:30:47] | Kazriko: | you don't need to use the extra cores unless you really want speed. |
| [19:30:58] | seth|laptop: | that could make for an inexpensive HD frontend |
| [19:31:00] | cureless: | Kazriko: the question is the tuner |
| [19:31:10] | Kazriko: | I'd be running it over the network to my normal backend. |
| [19:31:24] | cureless: | so you just want an HD front end. |
| [19:31:31] | Kazriko: | yes. |
| [19:31:42] | cureless: | hmm, could work. |
| [19:31:53] | Kazriko: | I do need to pick up that PCHDTV card so i'd actually have HD content to stream to it. |
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| [19:32:27] | cureless: | how is the decoding done on the PS3? |
| [19:32:35] | cureless: | brute force? or hw assisted? |
| [19:32:49] | Kazriko: | it'd likely be software. no hardware assist until someone writes an spe decoder module. |
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| [19:33:20] | cureless: | lunch time, later |
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| [19:40:34] | kormoc: | Kazriko, and uhh, what version of myth are you going to be using on the ps3? |
| [19:43:27] | Kazriko: | I have no idea, I'd probably start with the same version that's on my main box, 0.20 |
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| [19:47:09] | kormoc: | Kazriko, heh, I ment more there isn't a PPC working version of myth yet. |
| [19:47:23] | kormoc: | Kazriko, and from the talk of people who tried to do it, it's non-trivial to fix |
| [19:52:23] | xris: | seth|laptop: ps3 and "inexpensive" don't go together very well |
| [19:53:03] | kslater: | inexpensive in a relative sense IF Sony can ship in quantity |
| [19:53:16] | Dirky: | can anyone tell me which library I am missing here please: /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lXv |
| [19:53:29] | NAiL: | "Xv" ;) |
| [19:53:36] | Cybertoy: | lol |
| [19:54:01] | Dirky: | any idea which package that might be in for debian? |
| [19:54:11] | kormoc: | Dirky, perhaps libxv |
| [19:54:27] | Dirky: | cheers, i'll give that a try |
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| [19:54:32] | NAiL: | libxv/libxv-dev |
| [19:54:33] | Paladine: | yellow! |
| [19:54:38] | janneg: | kormoc: are you sure that mythtv doesn't work on ppc linux? |
| [19:54:49] | Paladine: | so I managed to acquire a sony handy cam hc-35 today |
| [19:54:58] | kormoc: | janneg, last I knew, there was some rather large issues with the frontend on PPC, aye. |
| [19:55:00] | Paladine: | but the frelling thing has no firewire |
| [19:55:17] | Paladine: | which means I have to use rca to get the freaking video off the minidv cassette |
| [19:55:23] | kormoc: | janneg, although, they might have been fixed or worked around. I don't keep too much on top of it all. just what I see in here from time to time |
| [19:55:53] | Paladine: | can I just plug it into my pvr150 and record straight off the handycam in mythtv? |
| [19:55:56] | stuarta: | weren't the early mac osx ports done on a power pc mac? |
| [19:56:01] | Paladine: | or do I have to do some funkyass stuff? |
| [19:56:34] | kormoc: | stuarta, my understanding is the newer opengl painter and some changes to the qt painter sorta caused a lot of issues |
| [19:56:43] | janneg: | at least the parts of the backend I know well are endian safe, ffmpeg works on ppc too |
| [19:56:43] | Cybertoy: | Paladine, I don't see the connection to MythTV here... |
| [19:57:08] | stuarta: | i don't think it would be a big stretch to get it to work |
| [19:57:25] | kormoc: | janneg, aye, cardoe did work on the backend and ivtv to get it ppc safe, donno how far he got. |
| [19:57:26] | Paladine: | Cybertoy, how don't you see the connection? |
| [19:57:37] | janneg: | biggest problem for me is to get a ppc |
| [19:57:39] | Paladine: | I need something to record from mthe input to my tvcard |
| [19:57:43] | Paladine: | which is what mythtv does |
| [19:57:54] | kormoc: | but only on a schedule! |
| [19:57:58] | Cybertoy: | so yeah ... use RCA |
| [19:58:04] | stuarta: | so fake a schedule |
| [19:58:11] | stuarta: | or do a manual record |
| [19:58:30] | Paladine: | I was gonna just do manual record but it starts a new file every 30 minutes |
| [19:58:39] | Paladine: | so I guess I will have to do a manual schedule |
| [19:58:41] | stuarta: | do a manual record |
| [19:58:47] | Cybertoy: | paladine, yeah .. manual record |
| [19:59:00] | Cybertoy: | Paladine, sry.. I though you were asking if you missed something on the camera |
| [19:59:03] | Paladine: | as i just said, manual record starts a new file every 30 minutes |
| [19:59:12] | Paladine: | so it wouldn't be suitable |
| [19:59:23] | Paladine: | just wondered if there is anything funky I need to install to use rca |
| [19:59:30] | seth|laptop: | configure one of your inputs to use channel "1" or some unused channel, change to that channel, and record. |
| [19:59:33] | Paladine: | or do the pvr150 drivers come with rca support already |
| [20:00:06] | kormoc: | Paladine, ivtv supports rca just fine |
| [20:00:11] | Paladine: | I would have to do it when I have no tv scheduled too |
| [20:00:16] | Paladine: | cos of the audio input |
| [20:00:25] | Paladine: | I use the audio rca inputs on my pvr150 already for tv |
| [20:00:32] | Kazriko: | kormoc, ok then, I'll stick with my existing setup of using the second vga output on my mythtv system to go to the tv. *shrug* they still don't have it working in PPC yet eh? I thought I saw some PPC fixes in the changelog... could have been ivtv though. |
| [20:00:43] | Dirky: | is this for some kind of security camera setup? |
| [20:01:23] | kormoc: | Kazriko, don't get me wrong, feel free to try and let me know how it goes, just felt I should let you know that from what I've heard, it won't be quite so simple :P |
| [20:01:31] | Paladine: | no it is to grab my son's first birthday video |
| [20:01:46] | Dirky: | ahh, cool |
| [20:01:52] | Paladine: | his party is tomorrow so I am getting ready in advance |
| [20:02:03] | Paladine: | managed to get a free hc-35 for themonth |
| [20:02:13] | Paladine: | which means I can record his christmas too :) |
| [20:02:22] | Dirky: | well planned |
| [20:02:39] | Paladine: | just got my head of department at uni to sign the consent form for me :) |
| [20:02:42] | Paladine: | brb |
| [20:03:16] | Kazriko: | http://www.thesniderpad.com//index.php?option . . . o&id=300 |
| [20:03:22] | Kazriko: | looks like there's a PPC port of it there. |
| [20:03:37] | janneg: | Paladine: I would be suprised if a manual record rule won't work. manually recording it with live-tv will create 30min files |
| [20:03:42] | seth|laptop: | Paladine: just create a capture device for the port your gonna plug into, then use the channel editor to have it point to a safe channel like "1" and then hit 1 on the remote/keyboard and then begin recording, then link the resulting mpeg to a different name in /myth/pretty, you should then be able toi view it from recorded programs |
| [20:06:18] | Paladine: | janneg, yeah a manual schedule will be fine |
| [20:06:39] | Paladine: | seth, yeah thats what I figured, just wondered if I had to install any extra drivers |
| [20:06:49] | Paladine: | I only use svideo in on my povr150 normally |
| [20:06:54] | Paladine: | never used rca for video before |
| [20:06:59] | seth|laptop: | no, just create the inout in mythtv-setup |
| [20:07:15] | seth|laptop: | thats how i recorded my dish network, before I made the irblaster |
| [20:07:28] | Paladine: | whats rca video in known as? composite? |
| [20:07:40] | Dirky: | yes |
| [20:07:41] | seth|laptop: | to get the shows fro my dish dvr onto the myth box, before sending the dvr back |
| [20:07:52] | seth|laptop: | probably Composite0 |
| [20:08:03] | Paladine: | would be handy to have a plugin specifically for capturing from camcorder :) |
| [20:08:19] | Paladine: | brb |
| [20:10:24] | Paladine: | back |
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| [20:11:13] | Paladine: | recorded some cool video of him running around everywhere earlier :) |
| [20:11:58] | Dirky: | cool |
| [20:13:06] | kslater: | Paladine I agree w/ you |
| [20:13:08] | Paladine: | seems weird him being a year old already |
| [20:13:08] | seth|laptop: | well I need to find a way to bind the command sudo /etc/init.d/gsm restart to a remote key |
| [20:13:10] | Dirky: | one of my sons birthdays is near to christmas too, 21st Dec |
| [20:13:11] | kslater: | I have a lot of video needing to be sucked into myth somehow |
| [20:13:11] | Paladine: | 12th here |
| [20:13:11] | Paladine: | this time last year him andhis mum were still in the hospital |
| [20:13:12] | seth|laptop: | my daughter just turned 1 back on novbember 16th |
| [20:13:13] | kslater: | 1! I remember those days |
| [20:13:14] | Paladine: | he had his first dentist appointment last week |
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| [20:14:24] | Paladine: | I should have got bigger think geek tshirts for him too |
| [20:14:41] | Paladine: | I got size 2–3 years and they are almost too small :/ |
| [20:14:45] | Paladine: | should have got 3–4yrs |
| [20:16:04] | Paladine: | he's like the godzilla of babies |
| [20:16:16] | Paladine: | he is as big as his 2.5 yr old second cousin now |
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| [20:19:09] | Dirky: | . |
| [20:19:14] | Dirky: | /usr/include/ft2build.h:56:38: error: freetype/config/ftheader.h: No such file or directory |
| [20:19:40] | Dirky: | ftheader.h any idea which package that might belong to? |
| [20:20:07] | Dirky: | I tried libfreetype6-dev |
| [20:20:16] | Hoxzer: | http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_con . . . mp;arch=i386 |
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| [20:20:42] | Dirky: | excellent |
| [20:20:44] | Dirky: | thanks |
| [20:20:47] | Dirky: | bookmarked |
| [20:26:23] | NAiL: | Anyone know what is causing this: http://pastebin.ca/280292 when compiling mythtv on arm? |
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| [20:34:19] | Dirky: | hmm, oddly I already had libfreetype6-dev installed |
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| [20:35:07] | Dirky: | ftheader.h is actually on the system in /usr/include/freetype2/freetype/config/ftheader.h |
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| [20:36:31] | Dirky: | maybe I need a symlink from /usr/inlcude/freetype2/config to /usr/include/freetype/config |
| [20:37:21] | scott_: | does anyone here use lighttpd with mythweb? |
| [20:40:54] | Hoxzer: | I have heard rumors that it doesn't work with it |
| [20:41:00] | Hoxzer: | not sure at all... |
| [20:42:09] | galorin: | Ok, here's something that I've got a problem with, and just tested out, kinda minor really. Mythtv can't seem to display a certain channel. I don't know what to look for in logs, but when using tzap and mplayer, the same channel comes up just fine. |
| [20:42:22] | galorin: | displays all the others perfectly fine |
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| [20:48:03] | levander: | I know there's a list of cable boxes that can be hooked up via firewire to a myth box somewhere but can't find it. I'm looking on wiki.mythtv.org now, nothing. Anyone remembers where it is? |
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| [20:59:38] | caitlin: | well |
| [20:59:44] | caitlin: | it's working *fine* |
| [21:00:07] | ** caitlin tries to goad it into failing ** | |
| [21:01:27] | ** stuarta suggests poking it ** | |
| [21:01:53] | caitlin: | i am |
| [21:02:00] | caitlin: | i'm about to try loading it |
| [21:05:08] | caitlin: | cat /proc/cpuinfo doesn't show my cpu |
| [21:05:16] | caitlin: | i'm assuming it's been cleverly scaled back |
| [21:05:21] | caitlin: | but it may just be buggered |
| [21:05:40] | stuarta: | that's a bit strange.... |
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| [21:06:26] | caitlin: | google isn't being very helpful, because my foo is weak |
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| [21:12:53] | caitlin: | yeh, it is scaled |
| [21:12:58] | caitlin: | i've found how to play with it |
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| [21:19:32] | Inssomniak: | myth supports 64 bit cpu compiles OK? |
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| [21:19:55] | Inssomniak: | im tryin to decide to use the amd64 in 32 or 64 bit mode |
| [21:20:16] | stuarta: | a lot of the dev's use 64bit |
| [21:20:28] | stuarta: | works fine. |
| [21:20:42] | caitlin: | i'm using 64 |
| [21:20:43] | caitlin: | i think |
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| [21:22:37] | ** jams uses 32 ** | |
| [21:23:14] | Inssomniak: | caitlin, you think? |
| [21:23:20] | Inssomniak: | lo |
| [21:23:23] | Inssomniak: | lool |
| [21:23:28] | caitlin: | ppft |
| [21:23:33] | caitlin: | how would i tell?! |
| [21:23:34] | caitlin: | lols |
| [21:23:40] | caitlin: | i can watch telly on it, who cares? |
| [21:23:45] | mlehrer: | i tried 64 but went back to 32, i686 kernel outperformed k8 |
| [21:23:49] | Inssomniak: | usually you know when you installed your distro |
| [21:23:53] | mlehrer: | for hdtv playback |
| [21:23:59] | caitlin: | oh,yays, it's the 64 version then |
| [21:24:04] | caitlin: | god women are thick.. sorry |
| [21:24:21] | caitlin: | i have k8 written all over the place too |
| [21:24:47] | Inssomniak: | ooh I dunno I think Ill just stick with 32 bit |
| [21:25:08] | Inssomniak: | this is for a backend |
| [21:25:16] | caitlin: | mine does both |
| [21:25:21] | Inssomniak: | the front end is a dual core p4 but I dont think those are 64 bit |
| [21:25:23] | caitlin: | unless my laptop is being a frontend |
| [21:25:50] | Inssomniak: | what you using for hdtv playback? |
| [21:25:53] | Inssomniak: | xvmc? |
| [21:27:00] | stuarta: | dual cores generally are 64bit. |
| [21:27:47] | janneg: | intel core duo isn't |
| [21:28:06] | stuarta: | saying generally was a good idea then :) |
| [21:28:19] | stuarta: | the one on my desk at work is however. |
| [21:28:20] | mlehrer: | Inssomniak: 6150 nvidia chipset, x2 3800 cpu |
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| [21:29:03] | janneg: | and I'm not sure if all pentium4 dual support 64bit |
| [21:29:24] | Inssomniak: | this one does apparently |
| [21:29:26] | Inssomniak: | 805 |
| [21:29:32] | Inssomniak: | just reading now |
| [21:35:36] | levander: | Has anyone had trouble getting Motorola DCT6200 cable boxes (with the firewire port) out of Comcast? Some idiot CS Rep at 1 800 COMCAST just told me Comcast doesn't even have those boxes. |
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| [21:37:42] | Inssomniak: | I install those boxes |
| [21:37:55] | Inssomniak: | but never hooked anything to the firewire port |
| [21:38:02] | Inssomniak: | not for comcast mine you |
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| [21:43:06] | caitlin: | can you get any kind of fancy compression dohicky for mythmusic to normalise your tracks on the fly? |
| [21:43:30] | caitlin: | it's a bugger listening to something live, which is less compressed, and then some processed death metal rattling the walls :? |
| [21:43:56] | jams: | caitlin- nothing I know of |
| [21:44:25] | caitlin: | i should never have sold my compressor :/ i've already got all this junk connected through a mixer |
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| [21:53:40] | ShiftyPowers: | anyone know how to get ubuntu to keep a DVI connection active after I turn off my tv for example? |
| [21:53:59] | ShiftyPowers: | what happens is that if I turn off my projector and then turn it back on later, I can't see either MythTV or Ubuntu desktop |
| [21:54:16] | ShiftyPowers: | i have to do a sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart in order to get the signal back through to the projector |
| [21:54:28] | seth|laptop: | DMPS disabled? |
| [21:54:45] | seth|laptop: | rather dpms |
| [21:57:27] | ShiftyPowers: | don't know |
| [21:57:29] | ShiftyPowers: | how do i find out? |
| [21:57:46] | seth|laptop: | xset dpms off |
| [21:57:59] | ShiftyPowers: | in terminal? |
| [21:58:04] | seth|laptop: | wait, man xset |
| [21:58:48] | seth|laptop: | xset -dpms |
| [21:58:59] | seth|laptop: | turns it off, and xset +dpms turns it on |
| [21:59:03] | seth|laptop: | you want it off |
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| [22:00:12] | ShiftyPowers: | yeah |
| [22:00:15] | ShiftyPowers: | i'll try that |
| [22:00:19] | ShiftyPowers: | hopefully it'll work |
| [22:00:23] | ShiftyPowers: | thanks man |
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| [22:29:00] | sloncho: | hi, how do I compile a program from /contrib direcotry? i.e. I need firewire_tester |
| [22:29:12] | sloncho: | there is no Makefile |
| [22:31:09] | sloncho: | ok, its written ion the .c file, thanks |
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| [22:35:09] | robbins876: | I just installed a soundblaster audigy 2 sound card, but i'm not getting any sound |
| [22:35:28] | robbins876: | what do i need to do other than install it and set it as default in the sound card detection thingie |
| [22:39:28] | Cyberto1: | anyone using MCE remote? |
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| [22:44:17] | robbins876: | Cyberto2: I do |
| [22:44:35] | Cybertoy2: | I seem to have responsiveness problems... |
| [22:44:40] | Cybertoy2: | are you experiencing that as well? |
| [22:44:50] | robbins876: | sometimes it gives me issues |
| [22:45:06] | Cybertoy2: | it's more all the time here. |
| [22:45:16] | Cybertoy2: | have to press buttons twice etc. |
| [22:45:40] | robbins876: | yeah, for sure |
| [22:48:52] | Cybertoy2: | hmm... so same problem, huh? |
| [22:49:00] | Cybertoy2: | I wonder if it's a lirc problem |
| [22:49:16] | Cybertoy2: | since irw is simply not giving any output when I press a button... |
| [22:50:05] | robbins876: | i don't usually have that problem |
| [22:50:12] | robbins876: | often i'll push a button and it will output 2 or 3 times |
| [22:51:37] | Cybertoy2: | what version of lirc are you using? |
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| [22:56:36] | daviey: | Does anybody here use mythgame? |
| [22:58:59] | Cybertoy2: | not me |
| [22:59:26] | daviey: | :( |
| [22:59:38] | daviey: | can i have a 'not me' from everyone, just so i know? |
| [22:59:45] | daviey: | ;) |
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| [23:03:44] | xris: | daviey: I think GreyFoxx uses it |
| [23:04:57] | daviey: | GreyFoxx, do you? |
| [23:07:08] | kormoc: | not me! |
| [23:08:00] | GreyFoxx: | daviey: From time to time yes :) |
| [23:08:39] | daviey: | ahh, just the man |
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| [23:09:09] | daviey: | can you give me some help getting started with the 'player'. I'm using 0.20 and for the life of me can't get it working |
| [23:09:23] | daviey: | google aint been much help |
| [23:10:02] | GreyFoxx: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/MythGame |
| [23:10:06] | GreyFoxx: | That should be of help |
| [23:10:39] | jams: | hey GreyFoxx were you the one who setup cacti to graph the hours of tv recorded? |
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| [23:11:01] | GreyFoxx: | jams: No, I believe that was Beirdo |
| [23:11:23] | jams: | ah, well then guess I will reinvent the graph then |
| [23:11:57] | jams: | he disappeared after moving |
| [23:12:11] | GreyFoxx: | He shows up once in a while, but it's rare :) |
| [23:12:26] | jams: | yep |
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| [23:20:54] | rogue780: | does anyone here use unichrome? |
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| [23:22:25] | jams: | not me |
| [23:23:10] | crudpuppy: | vonage sucks |
| [23:23:31] | crudpuppy: | they are money grubbers...wont give out their sip inof |
| [23:23:33] | crudpuppy: | info |
| [23:23:50] | crudpuppy: | I'm tempted to get a softphone and/or hack the router to get the ingo |
| [23:23:52] | crudpuppy: | info |
| [23:23:52] | crudpuppy: | lol |
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| [23:50:45] | fiveiron: | is there a good tut for getting LIRC set up to pass commands to mythtv? |
| [23:51:15] | fiveiron: | oh wait a minute |
| [23:51:39] | stuarta: | sacrificing a chicken would probably be faster... :-/ |
| [23:52:51] | fiveiron: | hrmrmr... ok... previous question restated... am I making this too difficult? |
| [23:53:35] | stuarta: | it's doable |
| [23:54:40] | fiveiron: | is there a tut somewhere? |
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