| Wednesday, December 13th, 2006, 00:00 UTC | ||
| [00:00:14] | nasa: | Any problems finding channels? |
| [00:02:13] | Inssomniak: | nope I get about 13 ATSC over the air |
| [00:02:19] | Inssomniak: | analog works fine too |
| [00:02:34] | Inssomniak: | some 70 miles away |
| [00:02:50] | Inssomniak: | are you using QAM, or analog or ATSC? |
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| [00:03:24] | nasa: | I'm in the US — so I guess I should be using ATSC. However, dtvscan only reports QAM. |
| [00:03:47] | Inssomniak: | dtvscan worked fine for finding ATSC no problem |
| [00:04:05] | Inssomniak: | what kind of antenna you have hooked up? |
| [00:04:42] | nasa: | powered Omni |
| [00:04:45] | Inssomniak: | QAM is also north america (digital cable), ATSC is OTA |
| [00:05:05] | Inssomniak: | what stations you have near by that you are confident you can get with an indoor antenna? |
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| [00:06:30] | nasa: | I referenced http://antennaweb.org/aw/Stations.aspx to see what stations are available |
| [00:06:42] | nasa: | it list 4 that I should be able to get |
| [00:06:48] | Inssomniak: | how far are they? |
| [00:06:53] | Inssomniak: | what power output? |
| [00:07:30] | nasa: | * yellow – uhf WGCB-DT 30.1 IND RED LION PA 88° 7.1 30 (closest) |
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| [00:08:02] | Inssomniak: | I dont know what those number represent, is 30.1 the miles ? |
| [00:08:19] | Inssomniak: | whats the power output? |
| [00:09:00] | nasa: | DTV Antenna/Type Call Sign Channel Network City State Live/Date Compass/Orientation Miles/From Frequency/Assignment |
| [00:09:12] | nasa: | that' didn't work to well.... |
| [00:09:18] | Inssomniak: | I get the idea |
| [00:09:23] | nasa: | 30.1 is the channel |
| [00:09:38] | nasa: | 7.1 miles from my zip code |
| [00:09:54] | Inssomniak: | I guess it doesnt say power output |
| [00:10:04] | Inssomniak: | but at 7 miles should be easy |
| [00:10:22] | Inssomniak: | even with indoor antenna, if it has an adjustable amp, try turing it down |
| [00:10:25] | nasa: | yellow means "small multi-directional" antenna is all that's needed to receive that channel |
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| [00:11:17] | Inssomniak: | my antenna setup cost me almost 400 bux, a 7 foot xg91 yagi with programmable rotor and a channelmaster 7777 preamp, 45 feet in the air |
| [00:11:29] | nasa: | DAMN |
| [00:11:46] | Inssomniak: | I live in the boonies but GOD that thing can suck in the channels! |
| [00:13:23] | Inssomniak: | "dtvsignal 30" and move the antenna around |
| [00:14:02] | nasa: | ok, trying now |
| [00:15:31] | Inssomniak: | also if you have other dvb cards in your PC make sure to use the -dvb option |
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| [00:16:01] | nasa: | I have a pvr-500 in the machine, but no other dvb card |
| [00:16:05] | Inssomniak: | also recommend the mercurial DVB drivers and kernel 2.6.19 |
| [00:16:24] | nasa: | the mercurial drivers? what's that? |
| [00:16:26] | Inssomniak: | its a little bleeding edge but they had troulbe with .17 .18 kernels |
| [00:16:46] | Inssomniak: | check out linuxtv.org for the info |
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| [00:17:05] | Inssomniak: | its like "cvs" for the dvb drivers |
| [00:17:51] | zakat: | when leaving mythtv-setup i get this message "Card 0 (type ) is set to start on channel 2, which does not exist." does anyone know why thats happening? |
| [00:17:59] | zakat: | my cards are set to start on 3 |
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| [00:23:23] | frink_: | Hey all. |
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| [00:29:51] | nasa: | trying to compile drivers now, but I get this error: "/bin/sh: scripts/mod/modpost: No such file or directory" — what is modpost? |
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| [00:58:54] | Inssomniak: | raid0 rocks |
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| [01:05:09] | sandeen: | hrm any comments on teh "extra audio buffering" setting on the frontend? |
| [01:05:21] | sandeen: | it says ..."if you are using hardware encoding" |
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| [01:05:44] | sandeen: | but without this I can't playback HDTV with audio, seems to not only have to do with hardware encoding :) |
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| [01:07:47] | Tronic: | Inssomniak: Only until one of the HDDs b0rks. |
| [01:07:57] | ** sandeen grins ** | |
| [01:07:59] | Inssomniak: | its only myth lol |
| [01:08:10] | msmyth: | hello. does anyone use comcast (formerly adelphia) in northeast PA? |
| [01:08:21] | Tronic: | Inssomniak: Heh... Should be good for that :P |
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| [01:12:36] | msmyth: | i'm trying to tune QAM256 w/ an avermedia A180. dvbscan finds some channels, but they are garbled? |
| [01:13:51] | Inssomniak: | you sure the channels are in the clear? |
| [01:14:56] | msmyth: | dvbscan doesn't return the real channel name – just [0008] etc. i think they are clear. mythtv displays some and then it crashes in 10 seconds |
| [01:16:05] | msmyth: | i am just hoping to get NBC, CBS, FOX, ABC, etc. i hope they are clear |
| [01:16:23] | Inssomniak: | they usually are, if you saw them for 10 seconds then they are and you have other problems |
| [01:16:46] | sigger_: | speaking of cable providers... anyone use cablevision in the northeast US |
| [01:17:09] | msmyth: | i can see the digital music stations on 64QAM but the sound goes in and out |
| [01:18:18] | msmyth: | are the initial tuning files provided w/ dvb-utils enough to find my channels? |
| [01:19:26] | PiranhaP: | Is it possible to use a PVR-150 and a software-encoding card (ATI TV Wonder VE) at the same time? It starts getting into that whole kernel driver vs. external driver ordeal, right? |
| [01:20:47] | msmyth: | Inssomniak, can you offer any more advice? |
| [01:21:17] | Inssomniak: | msmyth, there is qam256 files for dvbscan |
| [01:21:39] | Inssomniak: | although on my card Ive never used the qam256 part (no cable TV here) |
| [01:22:24] | msmyth: | willmy cable company be compat with one of the examples? |
| [01:25:08] | msmyth: | or do I have to make my own file? |
| [01:26:14] | sigger_: | my cable co is crap. spent 30 min on the phone today with them teling me they won't support the HDMI output from the cable box |
| [01:26:28] | sigger_: | i appear to be getting no hdmi signal out |
| [01:26:35] | nasa: | msmyth: have you tried ota? |
| [01:27:01] | nasa: | and does qam_64 = ota? |
| [01:28:21] | Inssomniak: | no |
| [01:28:27] | Inssomniak: | qam is only digital cable |
| [01:28:52] | Inssomniak: | atsc is OTA |
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| [01:29:17] | ** nasa scratches head... ** | |
| [01:29:51] | msmyth: | i have tried OTA – i get a few stations |
| [01:29:52] | nasa: | So "dtvscan -q" isn't the appropraite way to look for ota channels? |
| [01:29:58] | Inssomniak: | no |
| [01:30:02] | Inssomniak: | dont use the -q |
| [01:30:37] | nasa: | VSB_8? |
| [01:30:45] | msmyth: | i am most interested in QAM for cable, because I don't get good OTA reception |
| [01:31:14] | msmyth: | plus i have a cable modem and QAM is on the line (at no additional cost!) |
| [01:31:22] | Inssomniak: | nasa yes VSB-8 for OTA |
| [01:31:33] | Inssomniak: | msmyth, you sure? |
| [01:31:51] | msmyth: | about what? |
| [01:32:10] | Inssomniak: | that you get cable just because you have a cable modem? |
| [01:33:55] | msmyth: | i get 2–13 analog, and i see the digital music channels, and some of the QAM256 shows up but crashes |
| [01:34:49] | nasa: | still can't find any channels.... |
| [01:35:07] | Inssomniak: | you get 2–13 analog but nothing above it? |
| [01:35:28] | Inssomniak: | msmyth, use anothe program besides myth to test |
| [01:35:29] | nasa: | but — I did see some signal (for a short second) |
| [01:35:36] | nasa: | 014 |
| [01:36:06] | msmyth: | insomniak, i used azap and mplayer |
| [01:36:42] | Inssomniak: | Im a cable guy, and here if you have a cable modem, and only pay for internet, thats all you get, everything else is trapped out, analog, digital, everything but the internet |
| [01:37:08] | msmyth: | they must have done a poor job filtering out my cable |
| [01:37:25] | Inssomniak: | and if you cant get anything above channel 13, chances are they trapped everything above 13 out, and the qam signals are above the analog band |
| [01:38:05] | msmyth: | why does dvbscan find the digital music and some QAM256? |
| [01:38:36] | Inssomniak: | its also possible that the traps they used are crap, or really dont trap out digital, and you have other problems (drivers) |
| [01:38:55] | msmyth: | i can see OTA fine... |
| [01:39:03] | nasa: | increase the antenna gain ... and up to 55. I didn't think we had to play around with this like the old *rabbit ears* |
| [01:40:30] | Inssomniak: | msmyth, its still very possible that you have trapped cable |
| [01:40:43] | Inssomniak: | and some signal is sneakying past the trap |
| [01:41:04] | msmyth: | [0035]:555000000:QAM_256:19:20:53 |
| [01:41:04] | msmyth: | [0001]:555000000:QAM_256:0:0:1 |
| [01:41:04] | msmyth: | [0008]:555000000:QAM_256:21:24:8 |
| [01:41:04] | msmyth: | [082d]:567000000:QAM_256:105:104:2093 |
| [01:41:04] | msmyth: | [0003]:627000000:QAM_256:64:65:3 |
| [01:41:05] | msmyth: | [0002]:627000000:QAM_256:67:66:2 |
| [01:41:07] | msmyth: | [000c]:633000000:QAM_256:64:65:12 |
| [01:41:15] | msmyth: | this from dvbscan |
| [01:41:27] | nasa: | what signal strength is needed for a sold picture? |
| [01:41:42] | Inssomniak: | nasa, over the air? 60–65% Ive had working OK |
| [01:42:04] | Inssomniak: | but thats probably the bottom end of things |
| [01:42:19] | Inssomniak: | msmyth, is that all you get? |
| [01:42:39] | msmyth: | i'll post more... |
| [01:42:42] | Inssomniak: | no dont |
| [01:42:43] | Inssomniak: | lol |
| [01:42:47] | msmyth: | ok |
| [01:43:20] | msmyth: | i get 44 lines like those |
| [01:43:32] | nasa: | thanks |
| [01:43:42] | msmyth: | and 280 when scan for 64QAM |
| [01:44:29] | Inssomniak: | what kind of signal strengthg you get on one of the channels |
| [01:44:38] | msmyth: | the thing that confuses me is that I get duplicate channel labels – [003] |
| [01:44:47] | msmyth: | how can i tell? |
| [01:45:04] | Inssomniak: | dtvtune -q 0035 (I think) |
| [01:46:11] | Inssomniak: | or |
| [01:46:15] | Inssomniak: | a frequency |
| [01:46:26] | Inssomniak: | dtvtune -q 633000000 |
| [01:47:20] | Inssomniak: | I dont know its QAM and Ive never done it, only ATSC |
| [01:47:28] | msmyth: | -q for qam? |
| [01:49:01] | nasa: | hmm.... the channel and freq reported by dtsignal don't match http://antennaweb.org/aw/Stations.aspx |
| [01:49:53] | tracy_: | Inssomniak: did u come right with those xmltvid's? |
| [01:50:42] | msmyth: | inssomniak, do i need to have azap running? |
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| [01:53:12] | Inssomniak: | msmyth, no |
| [01:53:24] | Inssomniak: | tracy_, I havent looked into it anymore yet |
| [01:54:51] | msmyth: | i tried the command – it gives no output |
| [01:56:09] | msmyth: | i must be missing an option |
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| [01:59:32] | msmyth: | dvbtune -qam 256 -f 735000000 |
| [01:59:32] | msmyth: | Using DVB card "Nextwave NXT200X VSB/QAM frontend" |
| [01:59:32] | msmyth: | Unknown FE type. Aborting |
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| [02:04:25] | msmyth: | what is unkown FE type? |
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| [02:05:29] | nasa: | antennaweb maps my address wrong! |
| [02:07:27] | nasa: | nite guys, thanks for the help |
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| [02:09:33] | msmyth: | Inssomniak, have you ever seen that error before? |
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| [02:17:22] | cheatersrealm: | I'm having trouble tuning my card to the cable frequencies. |
| [02:17:53] | cheatersrealm: | is there something like tvtime for use in X forwarding? |
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| [02:21:39] | msmyth: | anyone try getting Free-To-Air Satellite w/ a DVB card? |
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| [02:34:15] | msmyth: | Inssom are u there? |
| [02:35:10] | sigger_: | anyone have a good place (in the US) to buy HDMI cables? |
| [02:35:38] | sandeen: | sigger_ i was going to get a dvi->hdmi cable from buy.com |
| [02:35:42] | sandeen: | they have tripp lite ones for not too much |
| [02:35:50] | sandeen: | i'm sure newegg has that stuff too |
| [02:35:55] | sigger_: | they decent quality. dunno that name |
| [02:36:02] | sigger_: | oh yeah, newegg. worth a shot |
| [02:36:10] | sandeen: | tripp lite makes lots of industrial electrical stuff |
| [02:36:12] | sandeen: | *shrug8 |
| [02:36:13] | sandeen: | * |
| [02:36:25] | sandeen: | they had a philips one too and several others |
| [02:36:35] | sandeen: | i'm sure they're not hard to find at various online places :) |
| [02:36:46] | sandeen: | or go to radioshack and pay a premium for instant gratification :) |
| [02:37:09] | sigger_: | cool. will check. Yeah plenty of places sell. sorting thru to get a good one is a pain |
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| [02:37:34] | rukuartic: | Anyone around here know how to resolve an issue of no audio on mythtv? |
| [02:39:35] | sandeen: | can you play audio via aplay or mplayer or ...? |
| [02:39:55] | cheatersrealm: | rukuartic: ivtv? |
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| [02:41:17] | Inssomniak: | msmyth, FE=frontend |
| [02:41:28] | Inssomniak: | msmyth, without a frontend you cant tune anything |
| [02:41:40] | PiranhaP: | I am receiving a 'undefined reference to glXGetVideoSyncSGI' and same with 'glXWaitVideoSyncSGI' during linking of mythtv's main.o. I've seen references (and a patch) for this problem, but they target vsync.cpp, not the linking phase. Any ideas? |
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| [02:41:43] | Inssomniak: | its a driver problem msmyth |
| [02:42:01] | Inssomniak: | PiranhaP, gentoo? |
| [02:42:01] | PiranhaP: | Oh, and it is version 0.19 |
| [02:42:09] | PiranhaP: | Inssomniak: yes |
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| [02:42:48] | Inssomniak: | PiranhaP, I had that problem too it was because I didnt have some programs compiled with the opengl use flag |
| [02:43:45] | PiranhaP: | Inssomniak: I don't think that's the problem in my case. This is a fresh install of Gentoo, I've only emerged mythtv and its dependencies, all with the opengl flag set. |
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| [02:46:27] | Inssomniak: | ok |
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| [02:48:06] | sandeen: | hrm. so if I playback HDTV I don't need extra audio buffering. But if I watch live TV, I do. I wonder if that's a bug, or a hardware issue, or a misconfig |
| [02:48:49] | PiranhaP: | To verify that no packages were installed without 'opengl', I just did a 'emerge -va --newuse world' |
| [02:49:01] | PiranhaP: | Hmmm |
| [02:49:28] | rukuartic: | w |
| [02:49:30] | rukuartic: | Doh. |
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| [02:54:41] | PiranhaP: | Is opengl only used for vsync in mythtv? (excluding mythvideo/dvd/etc.) |
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| [02:58:52] | GreyFoxx: | if you have the opengl painter turned on menus will be drawn via oipengl as well |
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| [03:03:53] | sandeen: | does myth scheduling know about reruns & first-showings? |
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| [03:12:14] | PiranhaP: | GreyFoxx: I see. thx |
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| [03:14:24] | fiveiron: | whats a good hdtv tuner card for linux? |
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| [03:14:56] | sandeen: | fiveiron, the pchdtv stuff is good. |
| [03:15:05] | sandeen: | I got a kworld atsc 110 card, seems to work fine for hdtv |
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| [03:15:55] | fiveiron: | what distro you running? |
| [03:16:02] | sandeen: | fc6 |
| [03:16:05] | tracy_: | i have an ati HDTV wonder, seems to work ok |
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| [03:18:51] | fiveiron: | hmm... the atsc 110 looks mighty nice |
| [03:19:05] | fiveiron: | only $69.99 |
| [03:19:11] | fiveiron: | dual tuner... |
| [03:19:42] | fiveiron: | DOH |
| [03:19:52] | fiveiron: | no hardware mpeg encoder... :-( |
| [03:20:06] | sandeen: | Encoder 1 is remote on localhost.localdomain (currently not connected). |
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| [03:20:10] | ** sandeen wonders where that comes from ** | |
| [03:20:20] | sandeen: | fiveiron, you don't need that for HDTV |
| [03:20:35] | fiveiron: | sandeen: i know... but I currently don't have digital cable... |
| [03:20:50] | sandeen: | then why do you want an HDTV tuner? :) |
| [03:20:52] | sandeen: | OTA? |
| [03:20:56] | fiveiron: | future |
| [03:20:58] | sandeen: | ah. |
| [03:21:08] | sandeen: | I got that card and a pvr-150 for the analog channels |
| [03:21:15] | sandeen: | ... cheap at compusa now, though I missed that :) |
| [03:21:32] | fiveiron: | i need to see if i can get digital cable from my provider without renting their gimp PVR |
| [03:21:50] | sandeen: | fiveiron, that's why I got the card, to find in the clear QAM channels |
| [03:21:54] | sandeen: | got several |
| [03:22:05] | fiveiron: | QAM? |
| [03:22:07] | sandeen: | despite what the oh-so-helpful cable lady said :) |
| [03:22:30] | sandeen: | the format for digital over cable (assuming I have this all straight) |
| [03:22:44] | sandeen: | anyway I have $8.99 basic 1 cable and I got about 30 digital channels on the wire that I could tune in |
| [03:22:55] | fiveiron: | really?? |
| [03:22:58] | sandeen: | yup |
| [03:23:08] | fiveiron: | cause i have the 11.00 cable package |
| [03:23:11] | fiveiron: | hmmmmmmmm |
| [03:23:34] | fiveiron: | did you have to super-fine tune those channels? |
| [03:23:37] | sandeen: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Working_ . . . 16_-_Comcast is what I got |
| [03:23:53] | sandeen: | fiveiron, they're not faint or anythiing if that's what you mean :) |
| [03:24:27] | fiveiron: | well... what I'm wondering is: I have an HDTV upstairs with a DTV input.... I wonder if I could pick up the channels on the preset freqs that the TV has |
| [03:26:14] | sandeen: | depends on if it has a qam tuner built in as I understand it |
| [03:26:20] | fiveiron: | ah |
| [03:26:23] | sandeen: | but i would have tried that by now I think :) |
| [03:26:27] | sandeen: | if I were you :) |
| [03:26:40] | fiveiron: | heheh |
| [03:26:52] | fiveiron: | i don't think I can... I may have already tried the scan |
| [03:26:57] | fiveiron: | i'll give it another go though |
| [03:28:06] | sandeen: | so hey guys if I have 2 tuners, one analog, one digital... on analog, chan 5 is CSPAN. on digital, chan 5 is ABC. It seems to get confused in the listings.... |
| [03:28:11] | sandeen: | am I doing something wrong? |
| [03:28:37] | sandeen: | i.e. if I search for an ABC show, it shows it to me 2x on channel 5 – one says 5- ABC, the other says 5 – CSPAN |
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| [03:30:51] | kslater: | sandeen, I think you might need to change something in the channel table |
| [03:31:01] | kslater: | that's what I ended up doing for the same situation |
| [03:31:55] | sandeen: | hmm what something was it? :) |
| [03:31:56] | kslater: | I made my channels from the digital tuner show up as major.minor (2.1, 27.2, etc.) |
| [03:32:01] | sandeen: | ahh |
| [03:32:06] | sandeen: | I can't quite figure out how those map |
| [03:32:15] | sandeen: | and then how the zap2it lineups match up to those? |
| [03:32:30] | kslater: | zap2it matches up based on the xmltvid column I think |
| [03:32:31] | sbrath: | kslater: would that also apply if I ask it to tape FOX and it tapes always the channel that is 2 higher? |
| [03:32:33] | kslater: | let me check |
| [03:33:21] | sandeen: | but where does the xmltv id come from.... aurgh. :) |
| [03:33:27] | kslater: | sbrath: no idea without more info |
| [03:33:46] | sandeen: | i.e. I have.... |
| [03:33:47] | sandeen: | 005_KSTP_ABC_SD:675000000:QAM_256:2304:2305:5 |
| [03:33:57] | sandeen: | zap2it says that's channel 5 on digital tv |
| [03:34:01] | kslater: | I got my xmltvid's for my OTA HD card by running tv_grab_na and saving it to a file |
| [03:34:15] | kslater: | then looking at the file for the xmltvid numbers |
| [03:34:32] | sbrath: | kslater: I have 2 pvr-150's and when I select "Comedy Central" to tape, it tunes to channel 55 instead of 53 |
| [03:34:34] | kslater: | I probably did something wrong such that the channel table wasn't complete |
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| [03:34:51] | sbrath: | Even thou on the guide it says that Comedy Cental is channel 53.. |
| [03:35:07] | sandeen: | mythtv is making me feel stupid :) |
| [03:35:19] | kslater: | not sure what that problem might be sbrath – could be something in the channel table too |
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| [03:35:34] | sbrath: | I'll try deleting it and starting it over.. |
| [03:35:41] | kslater: | mythtv is not for the weak of constitution |
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| [03:35:59] | kslater: | it takes some staying power to get over the hurdles that are some to come |
| [03:36:36] | sandeen: | so I never once entered an xmltv id... and yet they are in there |
| [03:36:46] | sandeen: | i assumed it was matching on channel and/or callsign... |
| [03:36:56] | kslater: | right, the mythfilldatabase process should get them I think |
| [03:37:28] | kslater: | chanid in channel is tuner-number+channel number |
| [03:37:51] | kslater: | so channel 53 on tuner 1 for me is chanid 1053 |
| [03:38:12] | kslater: | HD channel 53.1 on tuner 2 is chanid 2531 |
| [03:38:59] | sandeen: | hmm what is this chanid you speak of ? :) |
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| [03:39:19] | kslater: | sandeem how familiar are you with sql? |
| [03:39:44] | sandeen: | not enough |
| [03:40:00] | sandeen: | so teh chanid isn't visible via the setup screens, it's just in the database? |
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| [03:41:01] | kslater: | http://pastebin.ca/277366 |
| [03:41:08] | kslater: | have a look at that |
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| [03:41:41] | kslater: | oops |
| [03:41:48] | kslater: | error in there, one sec |
| [03:41:55] | sandeen: | well I get the idea... |
| [03:42:25] | sandeen: | not quite sure how the channels.conf tunings map to the x.y channels... |
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| [03:43:19] | kslater: | http://pastebin.ca/277368 |
| [03:43:30] | kslater: | they mostly don't |
| [03:43:54] | kslater: | channels.conf has frequency info in there |
| [03:43:58] | sandeen: | right... |
| [03:44:32] | kslater: | myth has that internally and uses other information to determine how to tune |
| [03:44:46] | kslater: | basically it has the freq table in the code somewhere |
| [03:45:29] | kslater: | it uses the freqid from the channel table and some other bits AFAIK. |
| [03:46:49] | kslater: | I think the x.y (like 11.1) is just what the broadcaster (assuming US) sends so that you can associate the HD broadcast with the legacy SD channel |
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| [03:47:22] | kslater: | for example HD channel 11.1 in Pittsburgh actually uses HD channel 48 to broadcast the signal on |
| [03:47:43] | sandeen: | http://pastebin.ca/277373 |
| [03:47:49] | sandeen: | is what I have for my chan 5 on both tuners... |
| [03:47:55] | kslater: | hd channel 48 means some specific frequency |
| [03:48:04] | sandeen: | so I haven't seen x.y channels anywhere in any of my listings... |
| [03:48:19] | fiveiron: | HOLY CRAP!!!!! |
| [03:48:24] | fiveiron: | I HAVE FRIGGING FREE HDTV |
| [03:48:25] | sandeen: | either from the cableco or from zap2it |
| [03:48:28] | sandeen: | fiveiron, hah |
| [03:48:44] | ** sandeen would never buy an HDTV w/o trying to scan for, you know, HD :) ** | |
| [03:49:05] | fiveiron: | i have every music channel my cable provider offers... I have at least 2 full HD channels... and I've barely scratched the surface of what my tv found |
| [03:49:28] | fiveiron: | i just never bothered with it before... this is NUTS |
| [03:49:40] | kslater: | fiveiron – did you plug your cable into you ATSC capture card and do a scan? |
| [03:49:50] | sandeen: | kslater, no his tv :) |
| [03:49:52] | fiveiron: | kslater: no.. the DTV input of my tv |
| [03:50:02] | fiveiron: | i'm still in the market for a digital tv tuner card |
| [03:50:03] | fiveiron: | :-) |
| [03:50:09] | sandeen: | ... but he has a tv :) |
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| [03:50:46] | kslater: | sadly my HD capable tv has no hd tuner |
| [03:50:59] | kslater: | early crt hd set |
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| [03:53:22] | sandeen: | kslater, so this seemes like a bug to me that myth knows channel 5 is two different callsigns & xmltvids and yet it shows up as both |
| [03:53:29] | ** sandeen doesn't have much need for a tuner in the tv ** | |
| [03:53:46] | sandeen: | kslater, http://pastebin.ca/277376 |
| [03:54:35] | kslater: | I don't think it's a bug – more likely a configuration problem |
| [03:54:56] | sandeen: | hmm how can I dump the details for some show name to see what it thinks is in the listings? |
| [03:54:59] | sandeen: | or maybe reset them :) |
| [03:56:01] | kslater: | for my pending recordings, every one has a valid chanid, except the power search ones those have chanid = 0 |
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| [03:57:10] | ** sandeen is almost ready to drop the db & start over :) ** | |
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| [03:58:03] | kslater: | if you do a "describe program", you'll see that there is a chanid field in there |
| [03:59:00] | kslater: | the query for a single show on whatever channels would be complex, remember there are many shows (13 days * number of channels * number of tuners |
| [03:59:06] | sandeen: | yeah |
| [03:59:35] | sandeen: | hmm describe program.. ? sorry sql 101 here :) |
| [03:59:54] | kslater: | I have 448 channels and 68,000+ program listings |
| [04:00:01] | kslater: | on 2 tuners |
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| [04:01:57] | Dr_willis: | and Nothing on... |
| [04:01:58] | Dr_willis: | :) |
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| [04:07:05] | sandeen: | kslater, you're right. grepping around the database I have abc's listings on another chanid :/ |
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| [04:08:59] | sandeen: | is there a way to clear out all channel listings... |
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| [04:09:06] | kslater: | time to test a few things and turn in for the night |
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| [04:20:26] | Sembiance: | hahaha |
| [04:20:34] | Sembiance: | It's been months since I've upgraded and now I'm upgrading |
| [04:20:43] | Sembiance: | the log is filled with 'upgrading schema versions...' rofl |
| [04:20:56] | Sembiance: | 1128 to 1160 ;) |
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| [04:32:27] | Dr_willis: | heh.. |
| [04:32:51] | Dr_willis: | All righty – got my MythTV setup working good.. remote works.. it records... i think even the wife can figure this out. |
| [04:33:08] | Dr_willis: | I dont supposed thers a nice 'manual' online for her to look at? :) (me to) |
| [04:34:22] | kormoc: | Dr_willis, documentation on mythtv's website |
| [04:34:24] | kormoc: | and in the wiki |
| [04:34:28] | Dr_willis: | Trying to set it to record 'the crocodile hunter' whenever its on.. i think i got it.. but theres no icon on the schedule showing it will be recorded. |
| [04:34:33] | Dr_willis: | Yea loading that now. :) |
| [04:35:11] | Dr_willis: | not a 'manual' 'in' the mythtv program for her to read as shes watching tv eh? :) |
| [04:36:45] | sandeen: | uhhh so I dropped the program table... how can I recreate it to repopulate it? :) |
| [04:37:34] | ** sandeen thinks maybe he screwed up ** | |
| [04:38:54] | GreyFoxx: | Dr_willis: Nope |
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| [04:40:16] | xris: | kormoc: why are you still at work? |
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| [04:41:07] | xris: | sandeen: you'll probably have to read the source to find the table creation statement. |
| [04:41:11] | xris: | and any associated updates. |
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| [04:42:12] | sandeen: | xris, what creates it in the first place? |
| [04:42:51] | xris: | sandeen: backend/frontend/setup, whichever runs first. |
| [04:43:12] | sandeen: | hmm but re-running setup won't recreate it I suppose |
| [04:43:19] | xris: | nope |
| [04:43:27] | sandeen: | woohoo :) |
| [04:43:33] | xris: | since it knows that it's up to date already |
| [04:44:10] | Dr_willis: | GreyFoxx, ok cool. Wife saw me messing with this thing and she allready wants me to move it to her tv. I havent even learned half the things it can do yet. |
| [04:44:30] | Dr_willis: | May as well set to record Lifetime 24hrs a day for her. :) |
| [04:44:53] | GreyFoxx: | heh |
| [04:46:20] | xris: | sandeen: can blow away the whole db and start over, or run a mysqldump of each table, blow away the db, and then re-import from your dump. |
| [04:47:17] | sandeen: | xris, any clues where to look for the original table creation... ? |
| [04:47:29] | GreyFoxx: | libs/libmythtv/dbcheck.cpp |
| [04:48:00] | GreyFoxx: | there will be a create section for it, and likely several updates for bringing it up to the latest as well |
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| [04:48:28] | xris: | sandeen: imho easier to dump/restore. |
| [04:48:39] | sandeen: | hmm ok |
| [04:48:41] | GreyFoxx: | always backup your database :) |
| [04:48:47] | sandeen: | I do have a backup |
| [04:48:58] | sandeen: | but the prgram info was all foo, I wanted to start over :( |
| [04:49:00] | xris: | sandeen: restoring the backup is the easy answer |
| [04:49:10] | sandeen: | guess I should have dropped the table entries not the table :) |
| [04:49:15] | xris: | sandeen: then delete the data, not the table. |
| [04:49:28] | sandeen: | xris, fumbling around mysql, guess I know that now :D |
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| [04:53:43] | sandeen: | xris, is that truncate 'program'; ? |
| [04:54:57] | kormoc: | sandeen, sure, or DELETE FROM program; |
| [04:55:02] | GreyFoxx: | Or delete from tablename; |
| [04:56:45] | sandeen: | thank you sirs. |
| [05:00:18] | ** sandeen invites anyone with filesystem problems to ask him questions :D ** | |
| [05:00:33] | sandeen: | in teh appropriate channe... |
| [05:00:35] | sandeen: | l |
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| [05:06:43] | sandeen: | woohoo that's a bit better. only now I have the same show listed twice on teh same channel.... hmm |
| [05:07:05] | kormoc: | sandeen, here's one for you! I have disk 2 from a three disk LVM, disks one and three died. it's reiserfs, and given the failures, I don't have any of the reiser filesystem's b+tree or bitmaps left. Any ideas on tools to rebuild the b+tree? |
| [05:07:24] | sandeen: | doh you'd have to ask a reiser question ;-) |
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| [05:07:46] | sandeen: | "three disk lvm" |
| [05:08:02] | kormoc: | hehe, I'm convinved the data is loss due to the nature of the loss, but I'm always open to try new ideas |
| [05:08:12] | sandeen: | what was the geometry of the volume? |
| [05:08:23] | sandeen: | i.e. linear or mirror or stripes or ... |
| [05:08:28] | kormoc: | linear |
| [05:08:50] | sandeen: | well then most of your data is probably quite gone |
| [05:08:54] | kormoc: | hence why there is no b+tree (stored at the start) or bitmaps (end of the fs) |
| [05:08:56] | sandeen: | i.e .2/3 of it :) |
| [05:09:00] | kormoc: | heh, yeah |
| [05:09:27] | kormoc: | I told the guy I'd see what I could get from it, but it's proving rather... problematic |
| [05:09:37] | sandeen: | your best bet is probably to just do a low-level search for file signatures etc, i.e. lowlevel search |
| [05:09:40] | kormoc: | as every reiser tool just refuses to touch it. |
| [05:09:46] | sandeen: | yeah, i'm not surprised |
| [05:10:03] | sandeen: | i don't know enough about reiser geometry & layout... here's one potential idea |
| [05:10:16] | sandeen: | make a big sparse file exactly as bit as the fs used to be |
| [05:10:19] | kormoc: | yeah... I was hoping to avoid that, as it's mostly compressed files, and I'm not overly familar with searching for those signatures |
| [05:10:24] | sandeen: | then dd the middle disk into the middle of it, exactly where it should be |
| [05:10:27] | sandeen: | and point fsck at it |
| [05:10:39] | sandeen: | maybe it will search for backup superblocks etc. and eventually find one in the middle |
| [05:10:43] | kormoc: | fsck doesn't see it as a valid reiserfs and refuses to run |
| [05:10:56] | sandeen: | hmm xfs_repair would search for backup superblocks |
| [05:11:20] | kormoc: | yeah.. reiserfs doesn't seem to have more then one backup b+tree and it seems like it backed it up at the end of the volume, and thus, it's poof |
| [05:11:31] | sandeen: | how the hell did he lose both disks at once? :) |
| [05:11:42] | ** kormoc laughs ** | |
| [05:12:10] | kormoc: | hell if I know, he's not the... brightest guy. I warned him against that setup, but he was convinced LVM would make his drives more reliable |
| [05:13:12] | sandeen: | hehe |
| [05:13:26] | sandeen: | of course I laugh and sandeen.net isn't well backed up either :/ |
| [05:14:30] | kormoc: | personally, I'm a fan of ext2/3, not so much of reiser. seems too flaky for my data. |
| [05:14:46] | kormoc: | and I mirror everything I care about. Costly, but worth it when something goes wrong :P |
| [05:15:19] | sandeen: | reiser support has gotten a bit trickier lately too.... :/ |
| [05:15:30] | sandeen: | yeah i've been meaning to get a mirror set up |
| [05:16:51] | kormoc: | So are you involved with XFS? |
| [05:17:45] | sandeen: | not so much now |
| [05:17:50] | sandeen: | i worked @sgi for 5+ years on xfs |
| [05:17:56] | sandeen: | i still like it a lot :) and hack on it when I have time |
| [05:18:10] | kormoc: | Niftyness :) |
| [05:18:32] | sandeen: | now I'm consumed @ red hat doing non-xfs filesystem things |
| [05:18:42] | kormoc: | I keep meaning to start learning more about the guts of XFS and JFS. Don't seem like I ever have the time tho. |
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| [05:19:11] | kormoc: | sandeen, heh, nifty. which offices are you in? |
| [05:23:38] | sandeen: | i'm in with the gfs guys in minneapolis |
| [05:23:41] | sandeen: | though not doing gfs things |
| [05:23:59] | kormoc: | ahh, yeah. GFS is nifty |
| [05:24:30] | kormoc: | seems strange. there's like 5 redhat guys I've meet online, and they're all in different offices |
| [05:24:42] | sandeen: | .oO(hmm can you resume watching a recorded show from where you left off?) |
| [05:25:03] | kormoc: | sandeen, if you save the position, I think so. I believe enter by default saves the position |
| [05:25:06] | sandeen: | don't take my mythtv idiocy as indicative of general red hat enlightenment please ;-) |
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| [05:25:45] | kormoc: | hehe, no worrys |
| [05:26:28] | sandeen: | ok got channel lineups all sorted, hours and hours of digital kids shows lined up.... i think i'm good to go for now :) |
| [05:26:30] | kormoc: | I might gripe from time to time about how redhat/fedora does something (stupid not using cron... grumble grumble grumble), but all in all, it's a decent product |
| [05:26:54] | sandeen: | i've always liked red hat, even before they paid me :) |
| [05:27:47] | kormoc: | I seem to be more akin to a 'old unix guy', and so how redhat does certain things just rub me the wrong way |
| [05:28:47] | sandeen: | hey chkconfig comes from irix :) |
| [05:29:01] | kormoc: | I'm also a rather big fan of gentoo, and so redhat/fedora just feels stiff and un-dynamic :P |
| [05:29:02] | ** kormoc laughs ** | |
| [05:29:49] | sandeen: | gentoo... |
| [05:29:50] | kormoc: | well, today was fun. I finally found out why one of the servers was auto-updating itself. I had no idea that the sys-v yum script did that. I just diabled the cron entry and thought that would do it, but nope, it was updating all happy like |
| [05:29:55] | sandeen: | before I get myself in trouble I think I'll go to bed :) |
| [05:30:00] | ** kormoc laughs ** | |
| [05:30:29] | sandeen: | hey thanks for all the sql 101, finally had a reason to learn something :) |
| [05:30:33] | kormoc: | night, and don't worry, I can take a nice bit of gentoo bashing in return :P |
| [05:30:39] | kormoc: | ooh, no problems. Anytime |
| [05:31:16] | Scopeuk: | gentoo has earnt its status in blood |
| [05:31:18] | sandeen: | i'll just point you at gentoo-is-rice for now ;) |
| [05:31:41] | kormoc: | haha, I'm not a fan of gentoo for any speed benifits :P |
| [05:32:05] | kormoc: | it's just rather stable and allows me to admin it how I want, which makes it rather happy more often then not |
| [05:32:18] | kormoc: | in our office, my gentoo box is much more stable then xris's fc5 box |
| [05:32:26] | kormoc: | but as always, YMMV :P |
| [05:32:40] | Chicago: | Hi everybody |
| [05:32:45] | kormoc: | Mornin' |
| [05:32:47] | sandeen: | you must not use -Oomygawd |
| [05:32:56] | Scopeuk: | kormoc with my levels of linux knollage it wouldent boot after a week |
| [05:33:03] | xris: | and everyone should know that kormoc doesn't "rice" his gentoo installs, either. and is a professional sysadmin. |
| [05:33:07] | sandeen: | -DTWEAK_ME_HARDER :) |
| [05:33:16] | sandeen: | ok, ok :) |
| [05:33:32] | GreyFoxx: | xris: That;s the trick with any distro |
| [05:33:33] | kormoc: | hehe |
| [05:34:20] | xris: | GreyFoxx: what, having a friend like kormoc to fix things for you when they break? ;) |
| [05:34:44] | GreyFoxx: | heheh well that too |
| [05:34:59] | GreyFoxx: | But I mostly meant knowing what you are doing and having a clue |
| [05:35:21] | Scopeuk: | thats nto jsut any distro thats any os or for that matter anythign yo udo at all ever |
| [05:35:34] | Chicago: | Just was wondering about something here... I have been addressing my pvr-500 as /dev/v4l/video0 and /dev/v4l/video1. Here is my current IVTV INIT. http://pastebin.ca/277444 |
| [05:36:21] | Scopeuk: | care to prase this as a question |
| [05:36:30] | Scopeuk: | phrase* |
| [05:36:45] | Chicago: | When I try to setup capture card 0 as /dev/v4l/video32 (video) /dev/v4l/video24 (audio) and capture card 1 as /dev/v4l/video33 (video) /dev/v4l/video25 (audio)... I get a black screen... |
| [05:37:03] | kormoc: | Chicago, well, any reason to set it to those? |
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| [05:37:17] | kormoc: | Chicago, normally everyone uses just video0 and video1 |
| [05:37:37] | Chicago: | I also see messages like this. DiSEqCDevTree, Warning: No device tree for cardid 0 |
| [05:38:08] | kormoc: | Chicago, you are telling myth that it's a hardware encoder card (pvr x50), right? |
| [05:38:39] | Chicago: | According to the documentation I've read... I can use /dev/v4l/vide0 and /dev/v4l/video1 if I want an MPEG stream... or use the other 32,24 & 33,25 devices for YUV |
| [05:38:59] | kormoc: | hrm. |
| [05:39:02] | Chicago: | Actually during the 32,24 & 33,25 capture card test I chose the analog v4l. |
| [05:39:14] | kormoc: | ahh, it's never analog as far as I know? |
| [05:39:34] | kormoc: | but honestly, I've never tried doing that, so I could be very wrong |
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| [05:40:18] | Chicago: | Well, I think this may be related. I don't know much about DVB.. and just recently added in support to read the closed captioning by adding vbi. I guess I finially figured out how that works once I tried ivtv .8 |
| [05:40:37] | mchou: | Chicago: you dont use anything other than video[0–9] for myth |
| [05:40:38] | kormoc: | Chicago, the pvr cards are not DVB cards :P |
| [05:40:41] | mchou: | :) |
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| [05:41:12] | kormoc: | and with that I'm out! |
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| [05:41:47] | mchou: | Chicago: all those video[2,3][0–9] stuff arent ever directly used by myth |
| [05:42:11] | Chicago: | Well, here's my confusion. In myth, I can set the encoder rate to 16,000,000 but that is too high for my current setup. If I choose 15,000,000 then there are no errors. I figured if I could give mythtv raw YUV digital video, then I can safely use the 16,000,000 encoding rate... (I know this in an impractical encoding rate... but I'm trying to tweak this out right so I can capture my home movies very nicely later). |
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| [05:42:38] | mchou: | dude, dont be ridicolous |
| [05:43:18] | xris: | Chicago: um, use the built in hardware encoder. |
| [05:43:28] | mchou: | if you want you hoome movies to be captured nicely you wont botrher with pvr-x50 |
| [05:43:34] | Chicago: | Come on... I'm serious. I'd rather collect video at 16,000,000 as my digital master. Then do what is required with ffmpeg and mencoder later to compress. |
| [05:43:37] | mchou: | bother* |
| [05:44:12] | mchou: | Chicago: if you use pvr-x50 myth doesnt do the physical encoding |
| [05:44:40] | mchou: | Chicago: it uses the HW on the pvr-x50 to do the actual encoding |
| [05:45:04] | mchou: | so use myth to encode home movies is just plain silly |
| [05:45:32] | mchou: | using* |
| [05:45:36] | Chicago: | mchou: Is raw YUV digital video just a "gate" to bypass the CX23416 encoder? |
| [05:46:26] | mchou: | that's exactly what video[2,3][0–9] is |
| [05:46:46] | mchou: | just dont rememeber if it's 2 or 3 atm |
| [05:47:09] | xris: | Chicago: if you want raw video, get yourself a camcorder and record via firewire. |
| [05:47:20] | mchou: | exactly :) |
| [05:47:27] | mchou: | way better |
| [05:47:44] | mchou: | HW that's designed to do that crap :) |
| [05:48:03] | mchou: | not some lame ass kludge |
| [05:48:22] | xris: | Chicago: besides, you'd need a HUGE disk to hold raw video (not to mention that you wouldn't have audio with that) |
| [05:48:49] | mchou: | yup, and we all know how syncing audio and video is a huge PITA |
| [05:49:01] | Chicago: | yeah, that's all true. |
| [05:50:20] | Chicago: | I ordered a DVD with video test patterns. I know I must have all the digital video the card can provide for me to calibrate everything for v4l2-ctl. |
| [05:50:29] | mchou: | just amazes me how some ppl come up with such hare-brained schemes |
| [05:50:50] | Chicago: | I was hoping the solution would even involve experimenting with the raw YUV digital video. |
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| [05:51:04] | mchou: | lol |
| [05:52:00] | mchou: | Chicago: you even know which end of the screwdriver is the "right" end? |
| [05:52:12] | xris: | mchou: be nice |
| [05:52:20] | xris: | Chicago: but who bother messing with that when your source quality isn't even a fraction? |
| [05:52:27] | mchou: | xris: I am being nice |
| [05:53:11] | mchou: | xris: I'm about to do a Dr. House impersonation :) |
| [05:53:43] | mchou: | considering the program is just about finished recording :) |
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| [07:03:05] | exobyte: | I installed mythtv, I have a pvr-150, I installed the drivers. When adding the capture card, video device is automatically populated with /dev/video0. vbi /deb/vbi0, but audio is empty. I thought the pvr-150 had build-in audio |
| [07:03:56] | Dagmar: | No. |
| [07:04:14] | Dagmar: | What it provides is an mpg stream. |
| [07:04:18] | Dagmar: | Audio is part of that stream. |
| [07:05:11] | exobyte: | oh. ohh |
| [07:05:22] | exobyte: | I'm coming for radeon land |
| [07:05:30] | exobyte: | can I capture as a non-mpeg stream |
| [07:05:41] | exobyte: | if I want better quality? |
| [07:13:11] | Dagmar: | No. |
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| [07:13:47] | Dagmar: | I suggest you do a bit more reading. Unbeknownst to you, there were serious flaws in both those questions. |
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| [07:27:32] | Dagmar: | Basically, you're so far in the dark you're not asking questions that are going to lead to answers that will be useful for you |
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| [07:54:04] | xris: | exobyte: hard to get better quality input than the pvr-150 gives. |
| [07:57:11] | Dagmar: | It's all the internet porn. |
| [07:57:35] | Dagmar: | People watch too much of it and start thinking that all mpg-encoded video is grainy and broken in places, no matter what. |
| [07:58:24] | xris: | yeah |
| [07:58:36] | xris: | forgetting that DVDs and HDTV are mpeg, too. |
| [07:59:06] | xris: | esp. since the analog cable input is by FAR the bottleneck of quality there. |
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| [08:27:41] | juski: | actually DV over firewire isn't 'raw' video at all – it's a derivative of mjpeg :) |
| [08:28:13] | juski: | morning anyhow |
| [08:28:51] | juski: | I'm setting this Friday as release date for blootube-wide |
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| [08:31:13] | newbie0057: | I'm getting snow on every channel,, I'm not sure if I have everything setup correctly, when I run mythfrontend I get an error message. Could this error be an indication of the problem? XX Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 166 |
| [08:31:52] | juski: | nothing to do with snow |
| [08:32:00] | newbie0057: | :( |
| [08:32:08] | juski: | I think I see that error on my _working_ frontend anyway |
| [08:32:29] | newbie0057: | oh... well, I guess that is good.... |
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| [08:32:45] | juski: | snow is more than likely caused by poor signal strength or just using a crap tuner card, among other things |
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| [08:33:33] | newbie0057: | It's snow,, but always a green stripe at the bottom.. |
| [08:33:54] | newbie0057: | not exactly like tv snow, |
| [08:34:26] | newbie0057: | my internet connection is though a cable modem, also I have it split a few times |
| [08:34:52] | newbie0057: | It works on windows |
| [08:35:34] | newbie0057: | hmm,, well I'll check the connection and fool around with it some more,, thanks |
| [08:35:37] | juski: | what kind of tuner card is it? |
| [08:36:07] | newbie0057: | I don't know it's from a company called "norwood micro" |
| [08:36:19] | newbie0057: | "pci tuner card" |
| [08:36:33] | juski: | so it's a framegrabber then |
| [08:36:48] | newbie0057: | ah... |
| [08:37:00] | newbie0057: | really? I thought it was a hauugpauge p150 |
| [08:37:18] | juski: | I didn't ask where you bought it |
| [08:37:40] | newbie0057: | I think I have it set as mpeg1 I'll try changing that |
| [08:37:42] | juski: | you said you didn't know what sort it was, then said you thought it was a Hauppauge 150 card |
| [08:37:49] | juski: | which is it? |
| [08:37:55] | newbie0057: | I don't know how to identify the card type |
| [08:38:15] | juski: | is it a pvr150 card or not? |
| [08:38:33] | newbie0057: | I do not know that it is a pvr150,, I just thought it was |
| [08:38:41] | ** juski laughs ** | |
| [08:38:46] | juski: | so it's not a pvr150 card |
| [08:38:50] | newbie0057: | I really have no idea what it is,,, |
| [08:39:04] | juski: | does it have Hauppauge written on the metal can on the card? |
| [08:39:24] | newbie0057: | actually the documentation that comes with it has a serial number on it,, the documentation is better documented than the card |
| [08:39:31] | newbie0057: | no |
| [08:39:44] | newbie0057: | it was cheap though like 35 bucks |
| [08:39:47] | juski: | the thing about Hauppauge pvr150 cards, and everything else Hauppauge makes, is that it's fairly impossible to mistake them for anything generic if you can read |
| [08:40:13] | newbie0057: | ah,, ok this is a generic then |
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| [08:41:36] | juski: | 'pvr150' is the product's _name_ |
| [08:42:07] | juski: | maybe the card just isn't very good at capturing at 480x480, which is mythtv's default capture resolution |
| [08:42:26] | juski: | does it work ok in tvtime? |
| [08:42:46] | juski: | $35 for a framegrabber. You were ripped off, btw |
| [08:42:54] | newbie0057: | actually I have 3 cards,, one I found, one was called win-tv and another that I am using now, |
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| [08:43:00] | juski: | you can almost buy a real pvr150 card for that |
| [08:43:27] | newbie0057: | I'd like to get a nice one, what would you suggest? |
| [08:43:35] | Mattwj2005: | hey room :) |
| [08:43:44] | juski: | a hauppauge pvr150 is what I'd suggest, funnily enough |
| [08:43:45] | Mattwj2005: | anyone want to go to work for me? |
| [08:43:47] | Dagmar: | An actual Hauppauge PVR-150 |
| [08:44:25] | juski: | I generally don't recommend hardware, but if you're floundering & pissing around with framegrabbers I'd suggest you stop wasting your money ;) |
| [08:44:42] | newbie0057: | yeah I think this card might be junk |
| [08:44:51] | newbie0057: | I need to take a close look at what it is |
| [08:44:57] | Dagmar: | No, you really don't. |
| [08:45:00] | newbie0057: | (closer) |
| [08:45:01] | Dagmar: | It's junk. |
| [08:45:05] | newbie0057: | ha |
| [08:45:20] | Mattwj2005: | so how is everyone tonight? :) |
| [08:45:48] | juski: | frustrated |
| [08:45:57] | Mattwj2005: | what is wrong juski? |
| [08:46:18] | juski: | I'll be making a wish this new year, something along the lines of wanting all framegrabber cards to just vanish |
| [08:46:41] | Dagmar: | I would like it if the program guide didn't crash my whole machine |
| [08:46:42] | juski: | they're a headache for users, and for everybody trying to help users |
| [08:46:59] | newbie0057: | what is a slingbox? |
| [08:47:11] | Dagmar: | Google is your friend. |
| [08:47:14] | newbie0057: | does it require software ? |
| [08:47:22] | Dagmar: | Google is your friend. |
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| [08:47:34] | juski: | an evil, expensive & probably useless bit of kit to let you watch your own tv recordings over the internet, I believe |
| [08:47:49] | Mattwj2005: | slingbox doesn't that auto code for over the Internet? |
| [08:47:56] | juski: | or maybe I need to google ;) |
| [08:48:00] | Mattwj2005: | *auto transcode |
| [08:48:23] | Dagmar: | They have a whole bloody site devoted to telling people about the slingbox |
| [08:48:38] | juski: | anyway whatever it is, and whatever it does, I'm sure it won't be a patch on mythtv |
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| [08:49:15] | newbie0057: | I have a different error after changing the card, does this error mean anything to you? Couldn't get the color key color, and we need it.You likely won't get any video. |
| [08:49:42] | juski: | oh you have a generic VGA card too. nice |
| [08:51:20] | Mattwj2005: | that slingbox is pretty cool |
| [08:51:27] | Mattwj2005: | http://us.slingmedia.com/page/slingboxtuner.html |
| [08:51:47] | juski: | Mattwj2005: you mean it's a cool _idea_. what happens in practice probably doesn't live up to expectations |
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| [08:51:57] | newbie0057: | the computer I'm using was designed for windows media,, in windows I can edit videos, watch tv, I mean the computer is pretty nice |
| [08:52:04] | Mattwj2005: | really? what is bad about it? |
| [08:52:17] | Mattwj2005: | oh yeah that sucks |
| [08:52:19] | juski: | Mattwj2005: I'm just a born skeptic |
| [08:52:43] | juski: | newbie0057: did you install Linux drivers for your vga card |
| [08:52:44] | juski: | ?? |
| [08:52:47] | Mattwj2005: | I don't blame yeah man |
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| [08:52:58] | Mattwj2005: | *you man |
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| [08:53:04] | newbie0057: | juski, no,, I'm using a default installation of ubuntu |
| [08:53:09] | juski: | I tried mythstreamtv & found it very acceptable |
| [08:53:17] | juski: | newbie0057: well then that's probably why |
| [08:53:52] | juski: | if you have a nvidia card, find out how to install nvidia drivers on ubuntu. |
| [08:54:00] | Mattwj2005: | honestly I have too many toys right now |
| [08:54:05] | juski: | if it's ATI, find out how to install ati drivers on ubuntu |
| [08:54:15] | juski: | if it's something else, try harder ;) |
| [08:54:43] | Mattwj2005: | I am going to save up for a TB |
| [08:54:56] | newbie0057: | thanks juski,, it's an on board card.. I'll need to look into it. Thanks for your help I have a couple of things to look into |
| [08:55:34] | juski: | Mattwj2005: if you have to save up for it, it'll be much cheaper by the time you can afford it ;) |
| [08:55:49] | Mattwj2005: | lol |
| [08:56:04] | Mattwj2005: | I know isn't technology awesome :-P |
| [08:56:22] | Mattwj2005: | I hear Seagate might have single 1 TB drives but summer time |
| [08:56:56] | juski: | Hitachi are due to bring out a 1TB HDD before then |
| [08:56:57] | Mattwj2005: | 5 drive 1 TB raid 5 would be awesome |
| [08:57:01] | Mattwj2005: | haha |
| [08:57:05] | Mattwj2005: | really....when? |
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| [08:57:14] | juski: | Q1 next year I think |
| [08:57:25] | juski: | was supposed to be this quarter but it's been delayed |
| [08:57:45] | Mattwj2005: | awesome |
| [08:57:55] | Dagmar: | Probably because not many people are at the point where tehy need a terabyte drive |
| [08:58:17] | Mattwj2005: | good point |
| [08:58:46] | Dagmar: | Capacity got ahead of need *real* fast |
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| [08:59:10] | Mattwj2005: | I just wish you could say the same for processor speeds.... |
| [08:59:22] | Mattwj2005: | things have slowed down lately |
| [08:59:33] | Dagmar: | I don't *need* a 3800+ X2, but I wanted one |
| [08:59:34] | Mattwj2005: | the acceleration I mean |
| [09:00:16] | Mattwj2005: | I can't have a system that is too fast....I do folding@home for fun |
| [09:00:26] | kenguru: | i hate this dilemma, i can't get any socket a processor novadays anywhere and i have 2 mobo's in closet. |
| [09:00:31] | juski: | think of the poor planet guys |
| [09:00:53] | Mattwj2005: | I am working on curing cancer ;) |
| [09:01:05] | Dagmar: | kenguru: How can you not find a socket a proc, exactly? |
| [09:01:18] | juski: | Mattwj2005: yeah I think I'd rather drown in the floods than die of cancer |
| [09:01:28] | Dagmar: | ...and why would you bother putting power into it now anyway? |
| [09:02:11] | kenguru: | Dagmar, all computer stores won't sell those anymore they only got s754, s939, am2 etc.. |
| [09:02:35] | Dagmar: | kenguru: I hate to be the one to point this out to you, but you *are* on the internet. |
| [09:02:41] | Dagmar: | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16819104159 |
| [09:02:43] | Mattwj2005: | I am not too worried |
| [09:03:03] | kenguru: | Dagmar, yeah, i know but "not mainstream" things cost a lot. |
| [09:03:22] | Dagmar: | Ignorance and sloth are more expensive. |
| [09:03:40] | Dagmar: | ...cuz I don't call $30 "a lot". |
| [09:04:03] | kenguru: | Dagmar, new 2800+ sempron is 35 euros. |
| [09:04:22] | Dagmar: | So *throw away those obsolete motherboards already* |
| [09:04:28] | Dagmar: | Sheesh |
| [09:04:42] | Mattwj2005: | I really should....my mythtv box is a Celeron 1.2 Ghz |
| [09:04:43] | Mattwj2005: | :( |
| [09:05:08] | Dagmar: | You're sure as hell not putting anything as fast as 2800 on a socket A board in the first place. |
| [09:05:56] | Mattwj2005: | no way.....I am upgrading motherboard, memory, process at minimal |
| [09:06:48] | juski: | my athlon 2800xp sure is a false economy with all the power it eats 24/7 |
| [09:07:04] | juski: | that'll be getting rectified eventually :) |
| [09:07:10] | juski: | after I get my mac mini |
| [09:07:25] | Mattwj2005: | at least I have a P4 3.33 Ghz for my day to day use at least :) |
| [09:07:38] | kenguru: | Dagmar, yeah, but it's quite dilemma because if you own serval computers and try to keep all "up to date" it's difficult because processor sockets and hardware get old so soon novadays, my desktop computer is s939 3500+ a64 so if i upgrade it i won't get any kind of decent price/power ratio. |
| [09:07:51] | Dagmar: | You are whining. |
| [09:07:53] | kenguru: | and goddamit, that new pc is carpc :) |
| [09:08:12] | juski: | power efficiency is going to be the main drive behind my next upgrades |
| [09:08:27] | Dagmar: | You're not keeping a damn thing "up to date" if you're still using those socket A boards for anything other than paperweights. |
| [09:08:31] | juski: | to hell with speed. I have enough spare cycles on most my boxes |
| [09:09:04] | Dagmar: | There's no "dilemna" here. There's just some shit in your closet you should throw out. |
| [09:09:52] | Mattwj2005: | hey what do guys think of this..... |
| [09:10:06] | Mattwj2005: | using my 1.2 Ghz Celeron for a 1 TB NAS? |
| [09:10:07] | juski: | aye. that's the big flaw with all the 'reuse old hardware with Linux' malarkey. it eats electricity |
| [09:10:19] | juski: | Mattwj2005: wasteful of electricity |
| [09:10:35] | Dagmar: | With some of it, definitely |
| [09:10:42] | Mattwj2005: | i see |
| [09:10:53] | juski: | use a less power hungry CPU |
| [09:11:18] | juski: | sell the old CPU on EBay. you'd be amazed what prices a 1Ghz CPU fetch these days |
| [09:11:25] | Mattwj2005: | the problem is you go too slow....and you start having that 137 GB limit |
| [09:11:45] | juski: | some fools relentlessly replace hardware instead of doing the right thing & upgrading |
| [09:11:57] | Mattwj2005: | Juski what is it with you and wasting electricity? :P |
| [09:12:21] | juski: | it's alright for you yanks, paying less than us brits |
| [09:12:55] | juski: | £0.10 per kW/h adds up fast if your mythtv backend eats 240W continuously |
| [09:12:55] | Mattwj2005: | how much do you pay a kilowatt/hour? |
| [09:13:20] | juski: | that'd be like $0.20 kW/h |
| [09:13:25] | Mattwj2005: | $ .07274 KW/h |
| [09:13:33] | juski: | jesus h christ |
| [09:13:51] | juski: | and you guys moan about the price of stuff |
| [09:14:03] | juski: | hang on it's human nature to do that ;) |
| [09:14:10] | Mattwj2005: | lol |
| [09:14:52] | Mattwj2005: | then again I am sure your TV and Internet is cheaper ;) |
| [09:15:13] | Mattwj2005: | US$ .07274 = 0.0551394785 Euros |
| [09:16:11] | Mattwj2005: | I was curious.....I just thought you would want to know :) |
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| [09:16:59] | juski: | compare UK PC gear prices to USA prices then |
| [09:18:38] | Mattwj2005: | okay....I'll try UK Amazon |
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| [09:19:06] | Mattwj2005: | you guys have the VAT too...that stinks |
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| [09:21:31] | Mattwj2005: | http://www.amazon.co.uk/Acer-AcerPower-S280-C . . . -8906474-577 |
| [09:21:47] | Mattwj2005: | UK£ 325.16 = 634.777352 US$ |
| [09:21:56] | Mattwj2005: | that is pretty expensive |
| [09:23:19] | Mattwj2005: | why do you think us Yanks have everything so cheap? |
| [09:28:18] | Mattwj2005: | it doesn't seem fair |
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| [09:29:39] | Mattwj2005: | hi Ruleke :) |
| [09:29:59] | Ruleke: | greetings |
| [09:30:10] | Mattwj2005: | how are you? |
| [09:30:34] | Ruleke: | doing ok, struggling with termios stuff |
| [09:30:47] | Mattwj2005: | termios? |
| [09:30:54] | Ruleke: | posix style tty control |
| [09:31:10] | Mattwj2005: | oh got you :) |
| [09:31:50] | Ruleke: | and yourself ? |
| [09:32:27] | Mattwj2005: | I am just hanging out |
| [09:32:41] | Mattwj2005: | we were comparing US versus European prices earlier |
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| [09:33:34] | Mattwj2005: | hey hashbang.....you writing any shell scripts? :P |
| [09:35:43] | Mattwj2005: | you know that start #!/bin/bash |
| [09:36:47] | Mattwj2005: | just teasing you :) |
| [09:38:33] | Mattwj2005: | Ruleke where are you from? |
| [09:41:32] | juski: | Mattwj2005: it's not fair is it? We're probably even more hard doen by when you think how much we're under surveillance (sp?) here too |
| [09:42:01] | Ruleke: | Mattwj2005: belgium |
| [09:42:04] | qu0zl: | what Juski? I thought you made cctv systems for fun and profit ;) |
| [09:42:30] | Mattwj2005: | we are definitely under surveillance here as well |
| [09:43:11] | Mattwj2005: | are Internet is tapped, our phones are tapped, and their are cams everywhere |
| [09:43:21] | Mattwj2005: | how is it over belgium? |
| [09:43:41] | Ruleke: | should be ok |
| [09:44:06] | Mattwj2005: | that is good to hear :) |
| [09:44:23] | Mattwj2005: | the world isn't prefect.....but what are you going to do |
| [09:44:36] | Ruleke: | of course it doesn't matter because the US doesn't care about jurisdiction |
| [09:45:10] | Ruleke: | they just tap it all :) |
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| [09:45:14] | juski: | qu0zl: it's my JOB, not for fun |
| [09:45:24] | Mattwj2005: | believe me....I want a Demoracratic President in 2008 |
| [09:45:43] | Ruleke: | well then you're half way there |
| [09:45:55] | Mattwj2005: | good point |
| [09:45:56] | Ruleke: | all you need to do is have close to half the people voting like you |
| [09:46:29] | Ruleke: | slightly less than the opposition with enough fuss would do it too :) |
| [09:46:30] | Mattwj2005: | well our Congress and the Senate have recently switched from Republican to Democratic |
| [09:47:18] | Mattwj2005: | the problem is....a lot of the people see Bush as this big Christian man "just trying to do the right thing" |
| [09:47:36] | Mattwj2005: | I think he is an idiot |
| [09:48:15] | Ruleke: | though he really isn't in the literal sense |
| [09:48:19] | Mattwj2005: | http://www.digg.com/view/all/popular/today <- Check out the last story |
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| [09:50:05] | Ruleke: | the term would probably be severly misguided |
| [09:50:22] | Ruleke: | hmm sp? severely... bleh this english |
| [09:51:00] | Mattwj2005: | it is all good Ruleke....you don't want to know how poorly I do with Spanish ;) |
| [09:51:18] | Ruleke: | I don't know much spanish at all |
| [09:51:35] | Ruleke: | not that useful around here |
| [09:52:28] | Mattwj2005: | so how many languages do you know Ruleke? |
| [09:53:02] | Ruleke: | 4 |
| [09:53:09] | Mattwj2005: | I know mostly just English and a tiny bit of Spanish....besides a few words in a few other languages |
| [09:53:18] | Mattwj2005: | dang...that is an amazing gift :) |
| [09:53:24] | Ruleke: | no it's normal |
| [09:53:27] | Ruleke: | 3 is the norm |
| [09:53:37] | Mattwj2005: | why so many? |
| [09:53:38] | Ruleke: | There are 3 official languages in belgium |
| [09:53:53] | Ruleke: | Dutch, French and German |
| [09:53:56] | Mattwj2005: | oh wow....what are they? sorry I don't know more about your culture? |
| [09:54:09] | Ruleke: | though german isn't realyl taught in school that much |
| [09:54:25] | Ruleke: | for most people it's dutch french english |
| [09:54:47] | Mattwj2005: | I can speak do you speak German in German and I know what no is...that is about it |
| [09:55:06] | Ruleke: | hehe |
| [09:55:19] | Ruleke: | not much use for that sentence if you don't know anything else :) |
| [09:55:25] | Mattwj2005: | lol |
| [09:55:28] | Mattwj2005: | good point |
| [09:55:29] | Mattwj2005: | haha |
| [09:55:42] | Ruleke: | interesting that you would know 'no' and not 'yes' ? must be a war remnant ;) |
| [09:55:53] | Mattwj2005: | I can only say wee in French :P |
| [09:56:01] | Mattwj2005: | lol yeah good point haha |
| [09:56:41] | Mattwj2005: | my hertiage is German and Czech |
| [09:56:48] | Mattwj2005: | mostly anyways |
| [09:57:14] | Ruleke: | cool |
| [09:57:29] | Ruleke: | I used to know a few sentences in Czech |
| [09:57:37] | Ruleke: | I love Prague |
| [09:58:09] | Mattwj2005: | I believe my great grandma came from Czech |
| [09:58:19] | Mattwj2005: | she is 100 % I believe |
| [09:58:31] | Mattwj2005: | and as well as my great grandfather |
| [09:59:50] | Mattwj2005: | so Ruleke.....how does that work in school? do you learn all 3 languages when you go to public school? |
| [10:00:06] | Dagmar: | It's great that they gave us those nice tablecloths |
| [10:00:27] | Mattwj2005: | :) |
| [10:00:32] | Ruleke: | well you either live in a french or in a dutch speaking part, so the first language you learn is one of those when you are 12 |
| [10:00:42] | Ruleke: | then you get english the year after that |
| [10:00:54] | Ruleke: | depending on the choice in courses, you get german or not |
| [10:01:14] | Mattwj2005: | very interesting |
| [10:02:13] | Mattwj2005: | I really wish they would teach our students more Spanish here in the US....it is becoming more and more common place |
| [10:02:33] | Ruleke: | yeah |
| [10:02:37] | Ruleke: | I would never use it myself |
| [10:02:57] | Mattwj2005: | it all depends on the area you live in I guess |
| [10:03:08] | Ruleke: | or the area of work |
| [10:03:13] | Mattwj2005: | it is amazing how many languages there are in the world |
| [10:03:36] | Mattwj2005: | is English pretty common there? |
| [10:03:50] | juski: | are they ever gonna speak English in the USA? |
| [10:03:53] | juski: | ;) |
| [10:03:58] | Ruleke: | here in the office we have 5 different native languages in our team of 9 people |
| [10:03:58] | Mattwj2005: | lol |
| [10:04:05] | Mattwj2005: | less and less these days ;) |
| [10:04:11] | Mattwj2005: | dang |
| [10:04:15] | Ruleke: | so english has to do |
| [10:04:41] | Mattwj2005: | I personally like English...since it is the only one I know very well :P |
| [10:04:50] | Ruleke: | it's ok |
| [10:04:54] | Ruleke: | very easy to learn |
| [10:05:20] | Ruleke: | also because of cultural immersion... music/movies/etc |
| [10:05:33] | Ruleke: | but the language itself is easy too :) |
| [10:06:02] | Mattwj2005: | yeah I am sure that helps |
| [10:06:22] | Mattwj2005: | one of my friends has said good things about German techno though..... |
| [10:06:56] | Ruleke: | heh |
| [10:08:39] | juski: | blech |
| [10:08:53] | Mattwj2005: | lol what is wrong juski? |
| [10:09:01] | juski: | oh wait. German techno is still miles better than UK techno ;) |
| [10:09:22] | Mattwj2005: | nice haha |
| [10:09:54] | Mattwj2005: | the US has good movies and music but they like nickle and diming everyone and they like to sue people |
| [10:10:26] | Ruleke: | really ? what US music is good ? |
| [10:11:08] | Mattwj2005: | Beach Boy, Beatles, Elvis, Depeche Mode, Duran Duran, etc |
| [10:11:13] | Mattwj2005: | *Boys |
| [10:11:46] | Ruleke: | erm |
| [10:11:56] | Ruleke: | Isn't Depeche Mode UK ? |
| [10:12:04] | juski: | oh god |
| [10:12:19] | juski: | but they're not as bad as The Human League |
| [10:12:20] | juski: | ;) |
| [10:12:21] | Mattwj2005: | oh yeah good point haha |
| [10:12:27] | Ruleke: | anyway I thought you meant NEW us stuff :p |
| [10:12:31] | Mattwj2005: | Beatles....well they are UK as well |
| [10:12:34] | Ruleke: | duh |
| [10:12:40] | Mattwj2005: | oh most of that is crap |
| [10:12:41] | Mattwj2005: | haha |
| [10:13:01] | Ruleke: | you'll always have elvis :-P |
| [10:13:03] | Mattwj2005: | I thought we were talking about real music ;) |
| [10:13:20] | Ruleke: | you mentioned him |
| [10:13:22] | Ruleke: | hence the smiley |
| [10:13:47] | juski: | elvis. pfft |
| [10:13:55] | Ruleke: | btw Duran Duran is english too |
| [10:14:13] | Mattwj2005: | what about the Beach Boys? |
| [10:14:24] | Ruleke: | californian goodness |
| [10:14:25] | Ruleke: | lol |
| [10:14:52] | juski: | mmm discordant 'harmonies' |
| [10:14:59] | Ruleke: | I mostly listen to UK and Belgian music |
| [10:15:21] | Ruleke: | hence my surprise at the mention of good US music :-) |
| [10:15:58] | Mattwj2005: | lol |
| [10:16:03] | juski: | contradiction in terms. The White Stripes are very good IMHO though |
| [10:16:25] | Dagmar: | Except for the whole marital thing going on there |
| [10:16:31] | Ruleke: | :) |
| [10:16:50] | Dagmar: | If yer makin' up stories to tell the press, it's important to avoid mixing and matching "She's my sister" with "She's my wife" |
| [10:17:18] | juski: | I never read anything into that. It's about the music, not the band's personal life/issues |
| [10:17:22] | Mattwj2005: | are you talking about country music dagmar ;) |
| [10:17:38] | Dagmar: | No, I'm talking about The White Stripes |
| [10:17:59] | Dagmar: | They kinda fucked up with what they were telling the press |
| [10:18:01] | Mattwj2005: | oh I just joking around |
| [10:18:09] | Ruleke: | dEUS is still the top band for me :) |
| [10:18:22] | juski: | I like Greenday too |
| [10:18:35] | juski: | shit this is turning into #myspace |
| [10:18:59] | Ruleke: | right |
| [10:19:08] | Ruleke: | back to this kernel strangeness |
| [10:19:29] | Mattwj2005: | what is wrong Ruleke? |
| [10:20:54] | Ruleke: | termios is confuzzling |
| [10:21:37] | Ruleke: | I can't figure out why I would want to define a baud rate per architecture in termbits.h just so my device can use it |
| [10:21:39] | Mattwj2005: | I am kind of a noob with the whole kernel thing |
| [10:21:55] | Ruleke: | must be some posix thing |
| [10:24:05] | Ruleke: | seems Alan Cox is doing some work to seperate the kernel view of termios and the user structures |
| [10:24:07] | Ruleke: | thank god |
| [10:29:37] | Dagmar: | Sure you don't mean termios.h? |
| [10:30:09] | Dagmar: | Ah nevermind, find finally coughs up the locations |
| [10:31:59] | Dagmar: | The baud rates are the same, but several of the other constants being defined there are not |
| [10:32:53] | Dagmar: | Looks at IMAXBEL and IUTF8. Probably just quicker to have multiple headers than it is to dork around with endianness calculatins in a header file |
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| [11:10:46] | juski: | looks like mythfilldatabase has screwed up |
| [11:10:53] | juski: | apparently I have guide data til 2037 |
| [11:12:10] | qu0zl: | heh |
| [11:12:59] | Merlin83b: | That happens to me quite often. |
| [11:13:03] | Merlin83b: | I blame the EIT monkeys. |
| [11:13:20] | Dagmar: | juski: Run it manually and eyeball the output |
| [11:13:25] | Dagmar: | They had something go wrong over there recently. |
| [11:13:51] | Dagmar: | I had my subscription expire mid-month for no apparent reason, as well as someone else yesterday |
| [11:14:31] | janneg: | actually blame your reception ... |
| [11:14:32] | Merlin83b: | We don't use zap2it, Dagmar :) |
| [11:14:42] | Dagmar: | Oh... |
| [11:14:54] | Dagmar: | Well, that rules that out then. |
| [11:15:44] | janneg: | ... or the lazy MythTV developers who can't fix all bugs in the dvb packet assembler |
| [11:16:30] | janneg: | juski, Merlin83b: it is a Mythtv bug |
| [11:17:07] | Merlin83b: | Don't think I'd call stuarta lazy :) |
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| [11:18:26] | stuarta: | it wasn't me! |
| [11:18:36] | Merlin83b: | Hehe |
| [11:18:37] | juski: | it's a mythtv bug? |
| [11:19:18] | juski: | been running mythfilldatabase since 11:12 |
| [11:19:31] | juski: | I only use EIT for my radio channels anyway |
| [11:20:15] | stuarta: | Merlin83b: fess up, what were you talking about? |
| [11:20:46] | Merlin83b: | <juski> apparently I have guide data til 2037 |
| [11:20:47] | Merlin83b: | <qu0zl> heh |
| [11:20:47] | Merlin83b: | <Merlin83b> That happens to me quite often. |
| [11:20:47] | Merlin83b: | <Merlin83b> I blame the EIT monkeys. |
| [11:20:52] | Merlin83b: | <janneg> ... or the lazy MythTV developers who can't fix all bugs in the dvb packet assembler |
| [11:20:52] | Merlin83b: | <janneg> juski, Merlin83b: it is a Mythtv bug |
| [11:21:01] | Merlin83b: | If only there were a log of this channel ;-) |
| [11:21:08] | stuarta: | there is a log |
| [11:21:15] | ** stuarta thinks about reading it ** | |
| [11:21:28] | juski: | whoops I just deleted all the Torchwood episodes |
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| [11:21:39] | juski: | damn. ;) |
| [11:21:59] | stuarta: | seems we get EIT snippet in a blue moon from broken packets, one day we'll find it |
| [11:22:19] | stuarta: | juski: they get repeated often enough, you'll have em back soon |
| [11:22:28] | juski: | argghhh! |
| [11:22:37] | qu0zl: | hahah, whether you want them or not Juski |
| [11:22:38] | juski: | ok I'll cancel the scedule then |
| [11:22:55] | qu0zl: | it's been hard-coded in since 0.20 Juski |
| [11:22:58] | qu0zl: | you can't get rid of it |
| [11:23:14] | Daviey: | Hi, I have a non-booting hard drive that is my backend. I want to migrate the database to a new hd, i have the hd mounted in a linux machine, but do not know how to copy the database from it. Any tips appreciated |
| [11:23:23] | Dagmar: | Use cp. |
| [11:23:28] | juski: | hrm where's Torchwood flagging & deletion when you need it? ;) |
| [11:23:50] | qu0zl: | Daviey, they wiki covers saving your DB in the upgrading to a new version file |
| [11:23:52] | juski: | if you thought the last one you watched was shite wait til you see this weeks' |
| [11:23:56] | qu0zl: | maybe elsewhere too. Have a search through |
| [11:24:07] | Daviey: | juski, Torchwood is on BBC.... no commercials!? |
| [11:24:09] | Dagmar: | I thought this week's was decent |
| [11:24:10] | Ruleke: | dump / import database works fine :) |
| [11:24:11] | stuarta: | hmmm... |
| [11:24:14] | qu0zl: | they've been a bit disappointing alright |
| [11:24:24] | Dagmar: | A little touchy-feely, but at least it beats The Cannibal Family. |
| [11:24:26] | Daviey: | i'll check the wiki ;) |
| [11:24:51] | juski: | Daviey: yeah but I'm not gonna record any more. it's tat |
| [11:25:21] | Daviey: | it's not my fav' but it beats most other stuff that is currently on |
| [11:25:34] | qu0zl: | faint praise there Daviey |
| [11:25:41] | Daviey: | ;) |
| [11:25:41] | stuarta: | 2 days in a row with no recordings scheduled & I haven't been able to watch any stuff to make space :( |
| [11:25:47] | Dagmar: | They'll get back to overactive-libido-land next week, don't worry. |
| [11:25:54] | Daviey: | good-o! |
| [11:26:00] | juski: | if it comes to it I'd rather watch that than 'The Bill' or whatever |
| [11:26:06] | Dagmar: | BTW, what the hell are those pink things? |
| [11:26:14] | juski: | what pink things? |
| [11:26:20] | Daviey: | hmm, has Gwen dropped her bf/husband? |
| [11:26:26] | juski: | who cares? |
| [11:26:29] | Dagmar: | Daviey: Not formally |
| [11:26:30] | Daviey: | haha |
| [11:26:41] | Dagmar: | juski: Those weird pink things that show up at the tail end of the credits |
| [11:26:46] | juski: | www.digitalspy.co.uk/forums is the place for that |
| [11:28:23] | juski: | that's the place where as well as Toshwood they talk about those quiz channels in 'real time' |
| [11:28:44] | juski: | "what IS she wearing.. OMGLMAO!" |
| [11:29:19] | Daviey: | awesome |
| [11:29:57] | juski: | I need to delete some more cruft |
| [11:30:05] | juski: | 206 programs, using 429 GB (214 hrs 44 mins) out of 458 GB (29 GB free). |
| [11:30:20] | Daviey: | autoexpire? |
| [11:30:20] | Ruleke: | autoexpire |
| [11:30:26] | Ruleke: | :) |
| [11:31:02] | juski: | no errors from mythfilldatabase. nothing out of the ordinary |
| [11:31:18] | juski: | last statement is inserting new program : uk.scifi.com The Omen Sat Dec 23 22:00:00 2006 – Sun Dec 24 00:10:00 2006 |
| [11:31:38] | Daviey: | your using uk_rt? |
| [11:31:47] | juski: | of course |
| [11:31:51] | juski: | and EIT for radio channels |
| [11:32:10] | juski: | I'd not be seen dead using Bleb |
| [11:32:12] | juski: | ;) |
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| [11:38:50] | janneg: | juski: if you look at the program table ypu'll see that it is one of the radio channels. 'DELETE FROM program WHERE starttime > "2008-01–01";' should help |
| [11:41:41] | juski: | didn't appear to do anything |
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| [11:42:14] | stuarta: | DELETE FROM program WHERE starttime > "2008-01–01 00:00:00"; |
| [11:42:15] | juski: | but since running mythfilldatabase it says There's guide data until 2006-12–26 05:00 (13 days). |
| [11:42:31] | stuarta: | check the backend status |
| [11:42:40] | juski: | There's guide data until 2006-12–26 05:00 (13 days). |
| [11:43:42] | juski: | I've been running with EIT for a while now. must really be a once in a blue moon thing |
| [11:43:57] | juski: | the ntl cable box fucks up much more often than that. like every day |
| [11:44:04] | stuarta: | yeah it is. i get it maybe once a month. |
| [11:44:21] | stuarta: | you have trouble changing channels with it? |
| [11:44:35] | juski: | last night all the guide had only 2 programs, both from ITV – for every channel |
| [11:44:41] | juski: | stupid NTL shite |
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| [11:45:33] | juski: | my other box is much older & seems much more reliable |
| [11:46:17] | juski: | or it will be til it gets auto-upgraded eventually. upgrade indeed. pfft |
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| [11:47:02] | daviey: | Back to database issue: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Backup_your_database Only talks about using Mysql commands |
| [11:47:18] | juski: | daviey: I use a cron job |
| [11:48:07] | daviey: | thats great.... the problem i have it the device won't boot – so i had to mount it inside another box |
| [11:48:16] | juski: | ah |
| [11:48:21] | daviey: | i wanna cp the database from it to make a new backend |
| [11:48:36] | juski: | just use cp like someone already said, surely |
| [11:49:00] | daviey: | cp /* ? |
| [11:49:03] | daviey: | ;) |
| [11:49:05] | stuarta: | also you could chroot into the mounted partition and start mysql |
| [11:49:52] | daviey: | hmm, thanks stuarta... i'll read up on that |
| [11:50:41] | stuarta: | lemme know if you have issues. |
| [11:52:03] | daviey: | ta |
| [11:52:28] | stuarta: | it's handy to know, but somewhat advanced unix |
| [11:52:58] | juski: | it's a matter of course if you're a gentooer ;) |
| [11:54:54] | stuarta: | i wouldn't recommend gentoo for beginners anyway :-P |
| [11:54:58] | juski: | update recorded set autoexpire=0 where title like "planet%"; is way faster than doing each one in turn |
| [11:55:18] | stuarta: | yup. go that mysql-fu! |
| [11:55:19] | juski: | it's nice to have playlist deletions but I think maybe having storage options would be good too |
| [11:55:43] | stuarta: | storage options? |
| [11:55:59] | juski: | so you can mark up a whole group to be expired / not expired |
| [11:56:12] | juski: | unless I've missed a trick |
| [11:56:27] | stuarta: | mysql-fu |
| [11:56:32] | juski: | heh |
| [11:57:00] | juski: | be nice if I could do it from my couch though ;) |
| [11:57:24] | stuarta: | that's what laptops are for :) |
| [11:57:37] | ** juski sniggers ** | |
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| [12:00:39] | juski: | some tweaking of my schedules should result in far less cruft too |
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| [12:03:10] | stuarta: | i just review my upcoming every day |
| [12:03:12] | juski: | My name is Earl >> Tranny & Susannah :) |
| [12:05:20] | The_Ball: | is there any livecd with mythfrontend with it? |
| [12:06:04] | stuarta: | knoppmyth is what you are looking for |
| [12:06:57] | The_Ball: | stuarta, ah, thanks for the tip |
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| [12:08:50] | juski: | mmm turkey & cranberry sauce sandwiches :) |
| [12:11:27] | daviey: | is the current knoppmyth compatible with 0.20 with fixes? |
| [12:11:59] | qu0zl: | juski, would you recommend mini-myth? You've gone off it recently haven't you? |
| [12:15:17] | juski: | it's alright, and once I manage to pin down wtf is up with the playback problem I had with it, I'll be going back to it. the only problem I ever had with it was the killer gappy playback issue |
| [12:16:31] | qu0zl: | oh , the pre-buffer pause thing? |
| [12:17:03] | juski: | yup |
| [12:17:07] | qu0zl: | i'm thinking of sticking an epia on the back of a cheap lcd tv for a 2nd room. Mini-myth looks the way to go |
| [12:17:13] | qu0zl: | cheers Juski |
| [12:17:34] | juski: | I still get very slight pauses but they're barely even noticable on the bunty install I currently use |
| [12:17:56] | juski: | and far less frequent, seemingly |
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| [12:26:49] | ** juski wonders if Australia need any electronics bods ** | |
| [12:27:31] | ** stuarta discovered something about prebuffering last week ** | |
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| [12:29:07] | daviey: | gonna share stuarta ? |
| [12:29:35] | juski: | yeah I remember you saying. be good news for everyone to snuff that out |
| [12:29:51] | stuarta: | for those of you who have done control systems |
| [12:30:13] | stuarta: | it's essentially an overshoot when trying to stabilize |
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| [12:32:55] | stuarta: | so now i need to work out how to sort that out. |
| [12:33:17] | qu0zl: | be great to see that one disappear |
| [12:33:32] | stuarta: | bugs the shit out of me when I see it. |
| [12:34:48] | stuarta: | and it only hits when the cpu required to decode the frames is close to the limit |
| [12:35:09] | juski: | I dunno about that bit |
| [12:35:11] | qu0zl: | i only really saw it with xvmc stuarta |
| [12:35:24] | juski: | see it all the time here, with about 50% cpu usage |
| [12:35:24] | qu0zl: | by switching to no xvmc and higher cpu loads, it was much rarer |
| [12:35:30] | Dagmar: | Very annoying that xvmc has so many glitches with it. |
| [12:35:43] | juski: | 'just' rewrite it |
| [12:35:46] | juski: | :-P |
| [12:35:47] | qu0zl: | hehe |
| [12:35:50] | stuarta: | there may well be a different one with xvmc |
| [12:36:01] | qu0zl: | :) |
| [12:36:03] | juski: | oh yeah |
| [12:36:25] | Dagmar: | I'm gonna have to try different nVidia driver versions this week to see if I can ferret out what's wrong with the damn livetv preview code |
| [12:36:48] | Dagmar: | I have been *consistently* getting hard lockups when going to the program guide from livetv for awhile now. |
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| [12:37:19] | qu0zl: | i had that for a while Dagmar, turned out to be an ivtv issue. It also would lockup if i spammed skip back/forward. But this was about 4 months ago |
| [12:37:37] | Dagmar: | ...that's using 0.20-fixes, and I'm not hearing reports of other people having this issue, so it's looking like it might be time to note in the wiki which driver versions are safer than others. |
| [12:37:48] | Dagmar: | qouzl: Do tell... What in particular was going wrong with it? |
| [12:38:05] | Dagmar: | I upgraded to 0.7.2 a couple nights ago, with the same problem still. |
| [12:38:11] | Dagmar: | Any information at all would be useful |
| [12:38:12] | juski: | time to edit some recordings so I can transcode them the hell out of my recordings dir |
| [12:38:39] | qu0zl: | the whole system locked up, X would ingnore alt-ctrl-backspace |
| [12:38:49] | qu0zl: | it needed a power-cycle |
| [12:39:05] | Dagmar: | Well, that would be the same symptom at least |
| [12:39:07] | qu0zl: | there was a note in the ivtv release notes about fixing a bug with mythtv, and updating it sorted it |
| [12:39:17] | qu0zl: | if you've the latest ivtv then it's probably just the same symptoms, different bug :) |
| [12:39:31] | Dagmar: | Well, 0.7.2 is the latest for *that* tree |
| [12:39:37] | Dagmar: | Are you using 0.8.x or 0.9.x? |
| [12:39:46] | Dagmar: | I'll upgrade the kernel if that's what it'll take |
| [12:39:56] | qu0zl: | i think i was on the .7 branch at the time, it wasn't the latest kernel. let me check |
| [12:40:07] | Dagmar: | I'm just grinding my teeth over inviting new HAL/udev issues |
| [12:40:52] | Dagmar: | I've been using 2.6.17.13 on everything for awhile with no problems. |
| [12:41:24] | Dagmar: | It seems to be a good place to mark time at while some of the driver turmoil fades away |
| [12:41:32] | BULLE: | Dagmar: i have managed to hard lock my mythbox a few times recently, it has always been while i have been hammering away at the remote quite a lot |
| [12:41:35] | Ruleke: | in this case we are talking about ivtv-fb issues right ? |
| [12:41:37] | BULLE: | im using fc6 |
| [12:41:53] | Dagmar: | Ruleke: Nope. I don't use framebuffer, just plain old Xorg 6.7 for me |
| [12:42:05] | Dagmar: | er 6.9 |
| [12:42:14] | Ruleke: | erm yes but how would fast forward lockup have anythign to do with ivtv |
| [12:42:22] | Ruleke: | ivtv just records, it doesn't skip :P |
| [12:42:23] | qu0zl: | i've a new system now Dagmar but I'm pretty sure i was on 2.6.17 kernel and 0.7.something. The release notes on their site only incldue the stable releases so i can't which version the fix was in |
| [12:42:37] | qu0zl: | they put it in the branches for each kernel though, i remember that |
| [12:42:39] | qu0zl: | so you must have it |
| [12:42:49] | Dagmar: | Ruleke: Yeah, that strikes me as a little odd, since all the frontend/playback stuff really shouldnt be interacting with ivtv directly at all |
| [12:42:59] | Ruleke: | never had an issue with it |
| [12:43:15] | Ruleke: | had some issues with ivtv-fb and the ivtv X driver in the past... |
| [12:43:19] | qu0zl: | lunch time :) |
| [12:43:23] | juski: | it's God's way of telling your to put the pvr350 on Ebay :) |
| [12:43:27] | Dagmar: | OKay, thanks for the info qu0zl |
| [12:43:40] | Dagmar: | I'm using a PVR-500 actually. |
| [12:43:45] | Ruleke: | yeah I don't use mine anymore since I got the DVB card |
| [12:44:06] | Dagmar: | If I can nail it down to an nVidia driver issue I'll be quite pleased. |
| [12:44:08] | Ruleke: | I wish there was a dual dvb one though :-( |
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| [12:44:29] | Dagmar: | I actually have a few people using my packages. I would like to be able to tell them that it's safe to grab the 0.20-fixes build now |
| [12:44:56] | Dagmar: | It might well be an ivtv thing tho'. |
| [12:45:03] | Saviq: | hey guys can anyone tell me if there exists a pci card with component output that's worth mentioning? |
| [12:45:08] | Dagmar: | I wonder if their include paths are retarded ot something |
| [12:45:25] | Dagmar: | Saviq: What, component video output? |
| [12:45:29] | Saviq: | yep |
| [12:45:41] | Dagmar: | Not that I can think of |
| [12:46:09] | BULLE: | Saviq: nvidia gf 7000 series all support it, on a chip level |
| [12:46:15] | Dagmar: | There are several nVidia cards that have the external box attachment that provides component output as well as composite and s-video, so there might be some PCI versions that do that as well |
| [12:46:32] | Dagmar: | You might find it useful to look through NewEgg's site. |
| [12:46:34] | BULLE: | Saviq: dunno if anyone have released any pci cards, as that would require pci-e bridge |
| [12:46:43] | Dagmar: | Not specifically to buy from them, but because they've got an awesome set of search filters. |
| [12:47:10] | Dagmar: | Yeah, BULLE has a point. I don't think there's any PCI 7xxx cards out |
| [12:47:19] | ** Dagmar checks NewEgg ** | |
| [12:47:34] | Ruleke: | it would be silly |
| [12:47:39] | Ruleke: | from a bandwith pov |
| [12:48:03] | Dagmar: | Hey, manufacturers have proven they'll make silly things if people want to buy them badly enough. |
| [12:48:13] | Dagmar: | That was the whole reason 3Com made a fast ethernet ISA card. |
| [12:48:24] | Ruleke: | hey there was some gain :) |
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| [12:48:39] | Dagmar: | There's no way in hell you can get 100base-T to go across an ISA bus without lagging horribly, but people wanted them desperately for office network upgrades. |
| [12:49:09] | Dagmar: | Nope, NewEgg shows nothing above 6xxx for PCI. |
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| [12:49:34] | Saviq: | ok then... so what's the best way to send video from my pc to my tv – possibly having HD in mind? |
| [12:49:52] | Dagmar: | What inputs does your TV have? |
| [12:49:53] | Ruleke: | hdmi / dvi I would think ? |
| [12:50:03] | Dagmar: | I would tend to agree with Ruleke |
| [12:50:09] | BULLE: | Ruleke: ye, if his tv has that |
| [12:50:24] | Dagmar: | Most HD sets do have those inputs |
| [12:50:25] | BULLE: | around here, they all have, but im not sure its the way things are in the us |
| [12:50:31] | Ruleke: | I give generic answers to generic questions :) |
| [12:50:35] | Dagmar: | That's the way they are in the US, too |
| [12:51:02] | Dagmar: | Of course, it still doesn't help those poor, poor PS3 users. ;) |
| [12:51:28] | BULLE: | ye, i was just about to ask about that |
| [12:51:35] | Saviq: | Ruleke: not yet... |
| [12:51:51] | BULLE: | why do they whine ? i mean, if the darn tv has dvi input, it should surely accept 720p aswell, right ? |
| [12:51:56] | Dagmar: | Well, the problem those PS3 users have is different. Apparently the resolution selection stuff in them is retarded |
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| [12:52:11] | Dagmar: | Getting the PS3 to actually output 720p is the challenge. |
| [12:52:24] | Dagmar: | It seems to be a 1080p or nothing proposition is some of what I'm hearing |
| [12:52:28] | BULLE: | Dagmar: nah, from what i understood, the prob is that the ps3 doesnt upscale |
| [12:52:47] | BULLE: | Dagmar: so, the people that whine, has tvs that dont accept 720p but 1080i |
| [12:52:55] | quicksilver: | funny |
| [12:53:03] | quicksilver: | because from what I understood, the ps3 *can* upscale |
| [12:53:07] | BULLE: | Dagmar: then, the ps3 wont uppscale, and then they arr stuck with downscaling |
| [12:53:09] | Dagmar: | "Hilarious" is the word that I'd use |
| [12:53:11] | quicksilver: | which just goes to show how many rumours are flying around |
| [12:53:23] | BULLE: | quicksilver: yes |
| [12:53:52] | BULLE: | what people are complaining about is that they have a tv that only do 1080i, and they want to play games or watch movies that are 720p, then the only solution for them, is to watch it at 480p resolution |
| [12:54:17] | Dagmar: | yeah that's pretty close to what I've been hearing, i.e., "1080p or nothing" |
| [12:54:23] | Dagmar: | ...with SD resolution being the "nothing". ;) |
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| [13:00:51] | Dagmar: | Not spamming or anything, just pointing something out because it just saved me $20. Buy.com is giving some nice discounts if you use Google Checkout |
| [13:01:38] | Dagmar: | I was just ordering a new record bag, almost didn't notice that the site was trying to save me $20 |
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| [13:32:41] | juski: | wow these slow deletes are slooooooow |
| [13:33:11] | stuarta: | wadda you expect? fast deletes? |
| [13:34:53] | juski: | there's gradual & then there's this. didn't think it'd be quite so slow |
| [13:34:58] | Dagmar: | You were warned not to use FAT12 as a filesystem. ;) |
| [13:35:24] | juski: | oh wait. burning tickertape takes time, right? |
| [13:35:27] | Dagmar: | I feel like a Sci Fi channel whore |
| [13:35:45] | Dagmar: | Last night one of their teaser things said they're airing "400 hours of new original programming" in the spring |
| [13:36:04] | juski: | how many hours are there in the spring anyway? |
| [13:36:05] | Dagmar: | Out of my mouth popped "Hmm.. I'm going to have to delete a few things to hold that" |
| [13:36:07] | stuarta: | which you've already seen? |
| [13:36:32] | Dagmar: | I *really* want to see the Dresden Files |
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| [13:36:45] | Dagmar: | ...and more episodes of Eureka is bound to be useful. |
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| [13:37:40] | juski: | this gradual deletion is about 8MB/sec |
| [13:37:58] | juski: | spose it's not _that_ slow then |
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| [14:01:53] | fryfrog: | what is Dresden Files? |
| [14:03:22] | ** stuarta suggests imdb.com ** | |
| [14:03:23] | Dagmar: | A series based on some books about a modern day wizard who works as a private eye |
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| [14:18:35] | Dagmar: | Not 100$ sure what driver this uses, http://www.buy.com/prod/KWorld_TV_Tuner_Video . . . 0405687.html $5.99 after rebate if you use GOogle Checkout |
| [14:18:42] | Dagmar: | s/100$/100%/; |
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| [14:20:32] | stuarta: | i'd be surprised if there is linux support for it |
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| [14:25:23] | seth|laptop: | http://store.snapstream.com/wintvpvr500.html? . . . VESgodR3Kt5A is that a good price? |
| [14:27:38] | seth|laptop: | and as it is shown there, w/ the cable set, can I put both of my dish networks a/v outputs into it. Not familiar with the pvr500 |
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| [14:39:42] | dansmith_: | Is mythtv-0.20–147 the one I should be using from ATrpms? |
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| [14:40:09] | dansmith_: | I'm having some HD playback and XvMC issues that weren't present with 0.19, so I want to be sure I'm using the right stuff |
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| [14:42:15] | seth|laptop: | dansmith_: what kind of cpu are you using? |
| [14:43:17] | dansmith_: | seth|laptop: 2.8GHz P4 and a nVidia 6200 |
| [14:43:30] | dansmith_: | I've overclocked the 2.8 to just over 3.0 GHz, but it doesn't help |
| [14:43:42] | dansmith_: | with XvMC, this worked fine on 0.19 |
| [14:45:33] | seth|laptop: | well after I went to .20, I could not use xvmc, until 2 or 3 svn builds later, but now I do not require it, I just use libmpeg2, and one filed de-interlacing. Have you tried using either standard or libmpeg? |
| [14:46:25] | dansmith_: | ah, interesting... |
| [14:46:28] | seth|laptop: | as you are using an rpm install, I am not sure what version of fixes, you have, but after 12168, my xvmc worked, although I no longer need it. I am using amd64 3200+ |
| [14:46:34] | dansmith_: | standard doesn't cut it, but haven't tried libmpeg2 |
| [14:46:34] | seth|laptop: | 2.2GHz |
| [14:46:57] | dansmith_: | lemme try to get the changelog on the rpms to see if it has a changeset in it |
| [14:47:29] | dansmith_: | I'm on 11812 |
| [14:47:42] | dansmith_: | perhaps I should checkout a later version and build it myself |
| [14:49:20] | dansmith_: | seth|laptop: I think libmpeg2 is specifically only better for amd procs, right? |
| [14:49:27] | dansmith_: | so I dunno if it would help me or not, but I can try |
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| [15:01:46] | seth|laptop: | well YMMV, my problem was resolved to svn-fixes ago. But then again, I have updated mpeg2dec, and ffmpeg, all of these may have contributed to my current siccess rate |
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| [15:03:17] | Dagmar: | Just um, don't try --enable-xvmc-opengl. It will result in nothing but a black screen for video, at *best* |
| [15:03:53] | Dagmar: | OTher than that, 0.20-fixes (12247 as of a day or so ago) seems to be relatively sane |
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| [15:07:35] | seth|laptop: | well still having dma issues after upgarading to ivtv 0.7.2, hosed my Lost Room recording last night, and caused my hd show to record pixelated, mostvlikely becaus ethe system was literally choking on dma errors. |
| [15:08:14] | seth|laptop: | scanning gossamer threads, it seemd exiting out of myth frontend, has helped some, I will try this today |
| [15:12:10] | dansmith_: | thanks for the hints.. I'm compiling a recent changeset now.. hopefully it will help my issues |
| [15:16:39] | Dagmar: | seth|laptop: Good thing for you it looks like they'll probably just air all three episodes tonight, one after the other. |
| [15:18:04] | seth|laptop: | thats what I like about scifi, I did get the first one recorded just fine, not sure why I am having issues, perhaps my pvr card is going by the way, if so, I think i will get that pvr500 card in its stead |
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| [15:20:33] | seth|laptop: | Dagmar: as I deleted the defunct recording, myth has already re-scheduled it to go off at 7 tonight, right before the new one :-) , gotta love an intelligent home entertainment system, :-) |
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| [15:34:37] | dansmith_: | seth|laptop: another data point, even playing SD, my mythfrontend CPU utilization is like 60% (should be much less) with 0.20.. were you seeing that before moving up to a more recent changeset? |
| [15:35:29] | stuarta: | an early rpm was compiled without mmx support which didn't help |
| [15:35:47] | dansmith_: | yea, but this was with the atrpms from yesterday |
| [15:35:52] | dansmith_: | which I assume has been fixed |
| [15:36:00] | stuarta: | would assume so |
| [15:37:04] | gbee: | juski: tried blootube for the first time last night – really like it although I'm not so sure about all of the images used |
| [15:37:35] | dansmith_: | I'm compiling my myth on a P3 machine, but running on mostly P4s.. Are the processor optimizations for a P4 likely to make much of a performance difference? |
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| [15:46:00] | seth|laptop: | dansmith_: when I watch sd content, my frontend only runs at like 30 to 34% |
| [15:46:21] | seth|laptop: | for HD I get 50 to 63% on the frontend |
| [15:46:36] | dansmith_: | seth|laptop: right, mine used to as well.. I meant when you were having issues with earlier versions of 0.20 |
| [15:47:40] | dansmith_: | my point is, something must be broken with my rpms, since SD playback shouldn't take that much cpu |
| [15:48:02] | Asteriskmonkey: | can mythtv do commercial detection live then switch to another source on commercials |
| [15:48:23] | seth|laptop: | dansmith_: no, i did have unusually high % when still using .19, and the original .20a from mythtv.org. the tarballs, but since I have switched to svn-fixes, I have had nothing but good results |
| [15:49:03] | dansmith_: | seth|laptop: ok, cool.. I'm still waiting for my compile, but hopefully some success will rub off on me :) |
| [15:49:50] | Dagmar: | Asteriskmonkey: No. |
| [15:51:28] | seth|laptop: | dansmith_: my issue was originally , i was running Knoppmyth r5d1, and it had issues with amd64 cpu's, while running at the default .19, and had xvmc issues when runing the mythtv.org tarbals of 20a, after the first svn-fixes build, everything dramatically improved, now I only have one problem, a possible failing pvr card, otherwise, it works flawlessly |
| [15:52:29] | Asteriskmonkey: | Dagmar: does myth tv have the ability to detect commercials live though ? or is it a post processing function like most pvr software |
| [15:52:47] | Dagmar: | NOTHING has that ability' |
| [15:53:21] | Asteriskmonkey: | how do sub-network operators accomplish it |
| [15:53:28] | Asteriskmonkey: | is there a signal in the video? |
| [15:53:31] | Dagmar: | They don't. |
| [15:53:34] | seth|laptop: | the problem that compunded the other problems was, these quickly became production boxes, as my family immediatley adopted to mythtv, abandoning dish dvr. So when I have an issue, it becomes an ISSUE, so I am pleased to see that everything is working well for me now. No nagging wife. nhehe |
| [15:53:46] | fryfrog: | Asteriskmonkey: the commercial flagging runs so quickly that if you set the option to start commflagging when the recording starts, *often* you will be able to skip commercials |
| [15:53:55] | dansmith_: | seth|laptop: I have the same problem :) |
| [15:54:12] | fryfrog: | assuming you start watching the recording after 5 min or so, so it can see the start/end of commercials |
| [15:54:12] | dansmith_: | seth|laptop: I just decided to move to 0.20 yesterday and now I'm in hot water with the wife :) |
| [15:54:21] | Dagmar: | Affilitate stations are told *exactly* when commercials will happen, in advance. |
| [15:54:42] | Asteriskmonkey: | cool |
| [15:55:07] | Asteriskmonkey: | so 2 solutions 1)time table based knowing when commercials are or 2) commercial flagging with constant playback with a timelag of -20mins ? |
| [15:55:20] | Dagmar: | There will likely never be a signal to flag commercials as such, especially in the US, because every time some company brings the subject up with the FCC, the broadcasters all panic and scream like they're being threatened with ritual sodomy |
| [15:55:34] | Asteriskmonkey: | lol |
| [15:56:20] | Asteriskmonkey: | the commericals is how they make a living i guess, all the statitics of who watches whaht shows is all crap now for advertisers since pvrs :) messes with there demographic guys heads |
| [15:56:24] | Dagmar: | gm/window balance |
| [15:56:26] | Dagmar: | ick |
| [15:56:56] | Dr_willis: | I like comercials.. that gives me time to go get a snack. :) |
| [15:56:57] | Dagmar: | Those statistics are not crap |
| [15:57:07] | Dagmar: | Neilsen collects data from PVR users just fine |
| [15:57:20] | seth|laptop: | dansmith_: fortunatley my wife works 3 days a week, so the system can be worked on remotely on these days, otherwise, I woudl always be in trouble |
| [15:57:35] | Dagmar: | ...but you do hear an awful lot of *lies* about it all from lobbyists. |
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| [15:58:47] | Dagmar: | If these people were *smart* instead of *greedy* they'd get together and come up with a reporting format that developers could include in their PVR code |
| [15:59:10] | Dagmar: | I'd have no problems with reporting what I watched to broadcasters if they'd give me accurate scheduling data |
| [16:00:32] | Dagmar: | Instead, we have to learn about what's going to be broadcast on the streets |
| [16:05:48] | dansmith_: | seth|laptop: heh, nice.. I'm on vacation until Jan 2nd, so I (hopefully) have enough time to fix what I broke :) |
| [16:14:05] | seth|laptop: | dansmith_: if you are able to comile svn-fixes, then that should get you well on your way |
| [16:16:02] | seth|laptop: | what does a nice of -10 do |
| [16:16:17] | GreyFoxx: | it increases the priority of a process |
| [16:16:24] | GreyFoxx: | the lower the nice level the higher the priority |
| [16:16:40] | GreyFoxx: | rages from -20 to +20 I think (or maybe -19 to +19) |
| [16:16:54] | stuarta: | +19 to -19 |
| [16:17:12] | fryfrog: | - is high though |
| [16:17:23] | stuarta: | less nice :) |
| [16:17:31] | GreyFoxx: | yeah :) |
| [16:17:35] | fryfrog: | ie, -19 is like OMGWTFBBQ and 19 is bah, what ever |
| [16:17:53] | GreyFoxx: | fryfrog: which i what I said :) the lower the level the higher the priority :) |
| [16:18:21] | fryfrog: | okay, you win :( |
| [16:19:20] | GreyFoxx: | man, this "compile it before you commit it" stuff blows heh |
| [16:19:25] | seth|laptop: | well ivtv-enc-vbi is running now at -10 and I am recording with the pvr150, I am hoping disabling the frontend will help resolve my DMA error issue |
| [16:19:28] | GreyFoxx: | I need a faster compile farm :) |
| [16:19:50] | stuarta: | bah, ccache or don't change lots of files |
| [16:20:14] | ** seth|laptop thought vbi was c]for closed captioning stuff, I don't use that ** | |
| [16:20:15] | GreyFoxx: | I use ccache a lot if you change a file everything else includes you end up recompiling it all :) |
| [16:20:33] | stuarta: | yup |
| [16:20:44] | dansmith_: | seth|laptop: just got the changeset you recommended compiled and installed |
| [16:20:51] | dansmith_: | seth|laptop: and it works! thanks so much! |
| [16:21:13] | GreyFoxx: | I'm just compiling svn trunk and fixes with a small upnp patch to fix another 100% cpu usage problem |
| [16:21:37] | GreyFoxx: | Merely booting an xbox 360 on the same network as your backend can cause the backend to shoot to 100% and stay there :) |
| [16:21:53] | seth|laptop: | dansmith_: don't thank me, thank the people who built it and fixed it, they deserver the real credit :-) |
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| [16:22:24] | dansmith_: | seth|laptop: ok, ok.. either way, you came up with a magic 5-digit number that made my day :P |
| [16:22:31] | Dagmar: | This is just more proof that X-boxes are evil and like any other Microsoft product, shouldn't be allowed on your network without firewalling them off |
| [16:22:40] | GreyFoxx: | Dagmar: heh |
| [16:23:25] | GreyFoxx: | I've had a "fix" inplace for over a week, but I rewrote it to catch more variations of the same problem a little more elegantly :) |
| [16:24:11] | GreyFoxx: | thankfully with a simple tcpdump of the traffic and xbox sends out I could reproduce it at will |
| [16:24:28] | seth|laptop: | dansmith_: I am glad its working , always glad to help in any way I can. :-) |
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| [16:28:04] | seth|laptop: | will mythtv use dual cpus if they are available, and an smp kernel is in place? |
| [16:29:31] | quicksilver: | well there's nothing to prevent it doing so |
| [16:29:47] | quicksilver: | your basic TV-playing is singlethreaded |
| [16:29:53] | quicksilver: | but e.g. commflagging will run on the other CPU |
| [16:30:11] | quicksilver: | if you're encoding two recordings at once, they should use different CPUs |
| [16:30:37] | seth|laptop: | well this will be a backend only box most likely, I don't think dual 1.7 p4's would do hd playback |
| [16:31:52] | seth|laptop: | but it should do sd and video playback |
| [16:32:06] | fryfrog: | i thought you said it was going to be a be only? |
| [16:32:15] | fryfrog: | you should set the job limit to 2 instead of 1 |
| [16:32:30] | fryfrog: | then, it'll run 2 transcodes, 2 commflags or 1 of each |
| [16:33:18] | seth|laptop: | well, you never know, I have enough frontend around, but if i use this as my mytharchive box, perhaps catching a quick episode of BSG whilest buning the dvd wouldn't be unheard of :-) |
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| [16:33:35] | fryfrog: | ah, i see what you mean |
| [16:33:52] | fryfrog: | just like my main backend is almost *never* running the FE, but occasionally i use it :) |
| [16:34:06] | seth|laptop: | i don't thinkit will work, it has a matrox dual head video card, not nvidia, or ati |
| [16:34:19] | seth|laptop: | exactly, occasionally |
| [16:34:28] | fryfrog: | i suspect you'd be okay on sd |
| [16:35:33] | seth|laptop: | but for $60 bucks, I couldn't pass on it |
| [16:36:10] | seth|laptop: | 2xXeon P4 1.7 512MB 20GB scsi, sata card, onboard ide, tape backup, and I will add a dual layer dvd burner |
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| [16:46:38] | juski: | Zzzz motherboards |
| [16:46:56] | phrozen77: | hi all |
| [16:47:59] | fryfrog: | for the whole thing? |
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| [16:55:40] | seth|laptop: | fryfrog: yes |
| [16:56:06] | seth|laptop: | well there is $40 shipping, so I guess $100 is a better choice of price |
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| [17:13:33] | maniacxs: | hi there. My svn installation of mythnews did not create the table in db. Is here someone who can post the layout of this table? |
| [17:15:17] | GreyFoxx: | what table specifically ? |
| [17:15:57] | maniacxs: | i think it is newssites or something similar |
| [17:16:22] | Dagmar: | So how do you know it didn't create it? |
| [17:17:33] | GreyFoxx: | http://pastebin.ca/277862 |
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| [17:18:15] | maniacxs: | Dagmar: i found it some minutes ago at google. but i do not remember exactly how it was named. I have no table like this and mythnews writes to logfile it is unable to read from db |
| [17:18:24] | abarbaccia: | hello all – if i live in the US but watch HDTV with my MythTV box, what TV Standard do I use? ATSC or NTSC? |
| [17:18:37] | maniacxs: | GreyFoxx: thank you. |
| [17:19:17] | kslater: | what do you mean by "what TV standard do I use?"? |
| [17:19:54] | abarbaccia: | like, in mythtv-setup you choose a TV standard |
| [17:19:59] | abarbaccia: | is it NTSC or ATSC |
| [17:21:04] | seth|laptop: | why would commflag running at a nice of 17, make my box so angry? |
| [17:21:11] | seth|laptop: | it doesn't seem like that is alot |
| [17:21:31] | dansmith_: | nice 17 is about at the bottom of the list of priorityness |
| [17:21:42] | kslater: | seth|laptop: I used to wonder the same about mythfilldatabase at the same nice level |
| [17:21:49] | kslater: | seems like it should just be 19 |
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| [17:22:10] | stuarta: | you can renice it |
| [17:22:35] | Dagmar: | Both of you are overlooking the obvious |
| [17:22:49] | Dagmar: | These processes both involve disk IO, either directly or indirectly. |
| [17:22:59] | Dagmar: | ...and mythfilldatabase involves the bloody MySQL server. |
| [17:23:02] | seth|laptop: | that is true |
| [17:23:46] | seth|laptop: | well changing mysql mythconverg settings table for commflag command from commflag to nice -n 19 commflag, causes a segfault |
| [17:23:49] | kslater: | my issues with it affecting my combined BE/FE went away with the upgrade to .19 or .20 |
| [17:24:25] | jams: | abarbaccia- ATSC |
| [17:24:28] | seth|laptop: | in fact running it from the cli as nice -n 19 commflag, also causes a segfault, at about 2% of the flagging |
| [17:24:54] | ** seth|laptop misses not being able to commflag in real time ** | |
| [17:25:14] | abarbaccia: | jams: i also have analog capture cards in the system which flag errors on backend startup |
| [17:25:25] | abarbaccia: | jams: but they still work... should i just ignore the errors? |
| [17:25:38] | kslater: | or what if you have both? |
| [17:26:27] | seth|laptop: | what is beyondtv 4 and why do they keep e-mailing me stuff |
| [17:26:29] | seth|laptop: | grr |
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| [17:26:45] | BULLE: | seth|laptop: its mythtv like wintendo thingy, right ? |
| [17:26:51] | kslater: | abarbaccia – I added a backend with an HD capture card to my existing system (analog). Choosing ATSC during the card setup caused me recording issues with the analog card |
| [17:27:10] | seth|laptop: | it looks like mythtv-kinda but yes it does say windows on the e-mil |
| [17:27:12] | seth|laptop: | |
| [17:27:19] | fryfrog: | i just pick ntsc, i havne't seen that it does anyhting i know of :/ |
| [17:28:02] | kslater: | switched it back to NTSC and works just fine |
| [17:28:03] | fryfrog: | well, i haven't seen it cause any *problems* and i record on 2 HD cards (air2pc) and from 2 firewire STBs that do SD and HD |
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| [17:29:06] | abarbaccia: | kslater: its not the card setup, its actually myth in general |
| [17:29:44] | abarbaccia: | fryfrog: alright, im going to pick ntsc just because i don't like errors lol |
| [17:29:57] | seth|laptop: | quick question, where would I look to stop a failed commflag job, that is apparently hung |
| [17:30:10] | abarbaccia: | ps aux | grep commflag |
| [17:30:17] | seth|laptop: | commflag is not running for that instance anymore |
| [17:30:31] | seth|laptop: | its like stuck, after a segfault |
| [17:30:33] | abarbaccia: | and hopefully mythtv wont do something stupid like downscale the HD to NTSC quality levels lol |
| [17:30:39] | abarbaccia: | seth|laptop: reboot lol |
| [17:30:46] | seth|laptop: | doh! |
| [17:31:03] | seth|laptop: | this poor box has been rebooted so many times in the last few days |
| [17:31:14] | maniacxs: | seth|laptop: try to look in information -> system. maybe you can delete it there. |
| [17:31:46] | seth|laptop: | well if I had access to the frontend, i could do it there, but I am remote ATM, and was just wondering if it was in a sql table or something |
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| [17:47:11] | kslater: | ivor – can you confirm that the openchrome drivers with an EPIA SP can't output an interlaced mode? |
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| [17:50:40] | ivor: | kslater: through the VGA socket. no they cannot. |
| [17:50:43] | ivor: | as far as we know. |
| [17:51:06] | kslater: | how about thru the DVI-02 board? |
| [17:51:53] | ivor: | possibly. I think they DVI gets driven by a separate encoder chip in the same fashion as the TV out. |
| [17:52:06] | ivor: | so that's a 'maybe' |
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| [17:53:05] | kslater: | ok |
| [17:53:10] | kslater: | just installed one last night |
| [17:53:26] | kslater: | tonight I try to make it talk over DVI to my 1080i HDtv |
| [17:54:34] | kslater: | the chip on the DVI-02 is a VT1623a (not sure about the a) |
| [18:01:26] | ivor: | really? hmm. I thought it was 1626 for DVI. |
| [18:01:39] | ivor: | in that case the answer goes to "probably" from "maybe" |
| [18:02:12] | ivor: | having said that.... I don't think the 1623 will be able to do 1080i anyway. |
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| [18:03:27] | kslater: | could be I'm mistaken, but I'm pretty sure it read 1623 |
| [18:04:04] | kslater: | 1623 won't output over 1024 x 1024? |
| [18:08:36] | ivor: | er. I can't remember the exact specs. but there's a limit on the incoming signal on the 1622 and 1622a (which I thought was 1024x768). The 1625(and 1626) do HDTV resolutions. |
| [18:08:58] | ivor: | I think the 1623 has the same limitations on res as the 1622. |
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| [18:10:16] | kslater: | :-( |
| [18:11:06] | ivor: | aha. yup 1623. SDTV. incoming res up to 1024x768. |
| [18:11:14] | ivor: | you probably want to check it is a 1623. |
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| [18:11:55] | kslater: | you'd think the morons at via would use an HD capable encoder for a DVI output, but probably not |
| [18:13:49] | Dr_willis: | Hmm.. Trying to copy some .avi's over to the mythtv box.. i put them in /myth/video – but the Player still aint seeing them.. mp3 files are seen in /myth/music Not sure what to check now. they are owned by 'mythtv' user |
| [18:14:22] | kslater: | Dr_willis: you need to rescan the directory I think? |
| [18:14:52] | Dr_willis: | kslater, aha.. ok. They are showing up in the video manager. :) so thats a good sign. |
| [18:15:07] | Dr_willis: | Category and other options.. Nify. |
| [18:15:13] | Dr_willis: | MythTV impresses me more and more as i use it. |
| [18:15:56] | seth|laptop: | Dr_willis: it will take an intial scan in mythtv setup and utilities on the frontend, before antyhing will show up there |
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| [18:16:29] | seth|laptop: | and in the music scan, you will have to choose which tunes to display |
| [18:17:01] | Dr_willis: | Ok. Now where to tell it to scan. :) heh. or should could it be confused because i sshed the stuff over. While in the watch video ares. |
| [18:18:28] | seth|laptop: | well the video manager, will find your movies, and under music settings, there is also a scan that takes place, then you have to select, via putting a check in A thru Z respectively, to populate the music playlists |
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| [18:18:39] | Dr_willis: | there we go! :) |
| [18:18:48] | seth|laptop: | i use /myth/video for movies, and /myth/music for tunes |
| [18:18:48] | Dr_willis: | For all my Anime needs. |
| [18:19:13] | Dr_willis: | Heh 'user rateing -1.43289e09 |
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| [18:20:07] | Dr_willis: | got it going. :) and it 'should' record shows off the tuner, while its playing eh? May be worth wile to put /myth/video on its own hard drive perhaps. |
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| [18:20:43] | seth|laptop: | I have a 250G drive for /myth/video and a 500G drive for /myth/tv |
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| [18:20:56] | seth|laptop: | and a 100G drive for /myth/everything else |
| [18:21:06] | ivor: | kslater: well the spec says it has a "sil164CT64" encoder, and that goes up to 1600x1200. |
| [18:21:13] | Dr_willis: | Yea – i had an extra ide controller card in this box with some drives. but some how the controller card became 'hda' :) which really messed things up. |
| [18:21:22] | Dr_willis: | time to look and see what other hd's i got. |
| [18:21:39] | Dr_willis: | actually i have a fileserver I guess i could set up a NFS share and keep the videos on that. |
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| [18:22:51] | Dr_willis: | for my 'todo' list i guess.. |
| [18:23:42] | kslater: | ivor – tv says it can do either 480p (boo) or 1080i (yay) |
| [18:23:51] | kslater: | I'd like to do 1080i |
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| [18:25:40] | seth|laptop: | any reasoin why nice-ing commflag from the cli would segfault, and re-nice-ing it via top, causes no issues? |
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| [18:33:44] | abarbaccia: | okay serious myth issue here ... i have a DVB card and an MPEG card – the DVB card has an analog tuner on it as well but is not used (no drivers) but creates a video device. When the drivers load, sometimes they load with the MPEG card as /dev/video0 and other times the DVB card loads as /dev/video0 — this is not okay for myth |
| [18:33:45] | abarbaccia: | any idea |
| [18:33:46] | abarbaccia: | s |
| [18:34:29] | juski: | you need either: A) a udev rule |
| [18:34:47] | juski: | or B) blacklist some modules & make them load in the order _you_ want them to :) |
| [18:35:10] | juski: | gotta love ubuntu for that eh ;) |
| [18:35:14] | fryfrog: | i have a similar problem with firewire, only i don't know of *any* way to fix it :( |
| [18:35:27] | fryfrog: | juski: you don't think that would happen with other distros? |
| [18:35:33] | Dr_willis: | Hmm... odd.. recording some shows.. but it seems. what it 'thinks' its recording is not what its really recording. Heh heh.. |
| [18:35:45] | juski: | fryfrog: it does, I know. but anything to slag off ubuntu today |
| [18:36:22] | abarbaccia: | juski: be nice to ubuntu :-) what about this udev rule – how would i go about that? |
| [18:36:28] | fryfrog: | juski: ahahahah |
| [18:36:35] | juski: | nah ubuntu's ok – it's just that sometimes it does _too much_ for the user |
| [18:36:53] | fryfrog: | abarbaccia: i think you'll need to use lspci to get the device id or manufaturere id or something else unique |
| [18:36:56] | abarbaccia: | agreed (until i get this resolved |
| [18:36:58] | juski: | abarbaccia: I had the same problem so I decided to take the easy way out & blacklist modules |
| [18:37:03] | fryfrog: | abarbaccia: then you gotta figure out some stupid udev rule |
| [18:37:18] | fryfrog: | abarbaccia: but the *other* way is prolly easier, like juski says |
| [18:37:25] | juski: | blacklisting modules would only work if the cards use different modules though |
| [18:37:37] | fryfrog: | can you find out what module is used for the analog portion of the dvb card? |
| [18:37:56] | fryfrog: | well, not "can" |
| [18:37:59] | fryfrog: | but you'll *have* to |
| [18:38:02] | abarbaccia: | juski: how do i figure out which modules the dvb card is using? |
| [18:38:08] | fryfrog: | and you'll also have to hope it isn't the same module as the other card |
| [18:38:10] | abarbaccia: | i dont need that tuner at all so if i can just kill it that'd be great |
| [18:38:18] | fryfrog: | abarbaccia: you can look at lsmod, see if you recognoze anything |
| [18:38:19] | juski: | lsmod |grep dvb for starters |
| [18:38:32] | juski: | and dmesg |
| [18:38:34] | fryfrog: | abarbaccia: you can also check the output of dmesg, it'll give you some hints |
| [18:38:37] | juski: | and lspci probably |
| [18:38:38] | fryfrog: | and of course, google |
| [18:39:13] | abarbaccia: | well, its not the DVB tuner thats an issue, its the analog tuner on the DVB card |
| [18:39:17] | abarbaccia: | will it be using the same modules? |
| [18:39:19] | juski: | because it has the potential to be a huge problem for a lot of users, the ubuntu guys are looking into making it nicer |
| [18:39:40] | juski: | is it even worth using the analogue tuner on the HD card? |
| [18:39:55] | fryfrog: | juski: it could be |
| [18:40:06] | fryfrog: | juski: especially now that myth has that "either or" option for certain cards |
| [18:40:08] | juski: | cos myth might want to access it when it also wants the HD tuner |
| [18:40:13] | juski: | does it? |
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| [18:40:23] | fryfrog: | juski: yeah, i *think* it is a new-in-svn feature? |
| [18:40:27] | juski: | I wouldn't have bothered with that myself but hey |
| [18:40:33] | fryfrog: | you can setup 2 cards that are mutually exclusive? |
| [18:40:40] | fryfrog: | if you know what i mean |
| [18:40:50] | juski: | no idea |
| [18:41:03] | fryfrog: | juski: might as well, instead of 6 HD channels you can get 6 HD and ~70 SD :) |
| [18:41:06] | juski: | I've been following the -dev list & can't remember seeing any mention of it |
| [18:41:12] | abarbaccia: | alright, i think i found the module. how do i load it? |
| [18:41:15] | abarbaccia: | or blacklist it |
| [18:41:17] | fryfrog: | humm, i could be wrong. wouldn't be the first time |
| [18:41:22] | juski: | abarbaccia: lemme check |
| [18:41:26] | fryfrog: | abarbaccia: its in /etc/ |
| [18:41:26] | fryfrog: | umm |
| [18:41:35] | fryfrog: | modprobe.d? or modprobe.conf? |
| [18:41:39] | fryfrog: | or... modules.d? |
| [18:41:43] | fryfrog: | dang, i can't remember :) |
| [18:41:53] | abarbaccia: | alright – what do i put in there to blacklist |
| [18:41:59] | juski: | /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist |
| [18:42:11] | juski: | put the name of the module in there |
| [18:42:17] | juski: | no need to put the full filename |
| [18:42:36] | juski: | e.g. to fix my issues I've got |
| [18:43:00] | juski: | http://pastebin.ca/277964 |
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| [18:43:58] | juski: | then to load them in the same order every single time, put the same modules into /etc/modules :) |
| [18:44:04] | abarbaccia: | alrighttttt – we're rebooting and hopefully i will only have one video device |
| [18:44:11] | juski: | anyhoo – time to eat |
| [18:44:16] | juski: | good luck with that |
| [18:44:19] | abarbaccia: | juski: one more sec please |
| [18:44:23] | juski: | k |
| [18:44:31] | juski: | be quick, I'm starving |
| [18:44:35] | abarbaccia: | so if i blacklist them, they wont load, then i put them in modules so they load in that order |
| [18:44:41] | juski: | yep |
| [18:44:56] | juski: | if you blacklist em they won't load _automatically_ |
| [18:45:02] | abarbaccia: | so basically, this module was loading on ubuntus timeframe, and ivtv was loading whenever else and sometimes they got switched |
| [18:45:25] | fryfrog: | abarbaccia: if you blacklist the module for the *analog* tuner on your dvb card, you should be okay |
| [18:45:26] | juski: | suspicion is that they load in the order the kernel detects em |
| [18:45:44] | juski: | i.e. the order the PCI bus gets enumerated. it's complicated |
| [18:45:46] | fryfrog: | that will mean that ivtv will get the 0 and dvb is fine, no need to bother with anything else |
| [18:45:56] | juski: | anyway.. I need fooooood! |
| [18:46:05] | abarbaccia: | thanks man – appreciate it |
| [18:46:09] | juski: | put that in your howto next instalment :) |
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| [18:54:34] | abarbaccia: | it works!! Thanks guys! |
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| [19:00:21] | hoti0101: | hello |
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| [19:01:01] | hoti0101: | !users |
| [19:01:06] | hoti0101: | list |
| [19:01:08] | hoti0101: | !list |
| [19:01:15] | hoti0101: | seen |
| [19:01:19] | hoti0101: | !seen |
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| [19:02:03] | Scopeuk: | its !seen nice |
| [19:02:11] | Scopeuk: | s/nice/nick* |
| [19:11:39] | gbee: | nick's not here right now |
| [19:11:48] | gbee: | :p |
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| [19:26:37] | Scopeuk: | ha fark and digg have a circular link going |
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| [19:39:23] | juski: | hmm. where's my desk gone? |
| [19:42:48] | cesman: | ran away with the cup and the spoon |
| [19:42:57] | juski: | that'll be it |
| [19:43:02] | juski: | how's it going cesman? |
| [19:43:09] | juski: | missing the UK yet? ;) |
| [19:43:22] | cesman: | I'm but to cough up a lung... |
| [19:43:45] | cesman: | but work is goign well on the next release which I'm very pleased with! |
| [19:43:54] | cesman: | miss it terribly! |
| [19:43:55] | juski: | cool! |
| [19:44:13] | juski: | I plan to have a 1.0 blootube-wide out this weekend |
| [19:44:32] | cesman: | cool |
| [19:44:32] | juski: | apparently a screen in mythmusic is borked |
| [19:44:56] | cesman: | then it should be able to make it in KnoppMyth R5Exy! |
| [19:45:16] | juski: | no major issues other than that. fixed the high cpu usage with a lot of help from janneg :) |
| [19:45:27] | juski: | whoda thought a theme could cause that eh |
| [19:46:04] | cesman: | :) |
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| [19:46:55] | juski: | RAM usage will still be sky high, but hey.. you don't often get pretty & uber skinny ;) |
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| [19:47:43] | juski: | btw I got some mail for you – must've been from the expo when you had your badge scanned. dunno where it is now.. it'll be here _somewhere_ though |
| [19:49:45] | cesman: | ok |
| [19:49:53] | cesman: | just forward it to me when you find it |
| [19:50:14] | juski: | just been looking into something to do on NYE.. not much for not much £££ |
| [19:50:40] | juski: | looks like staying in will be the new going out in 2007 |
| [19:50:59] | janneg: | juski: you gave the crucial hint |
| [19:51:39] | juski: | is all that alpha meddling documented anywhere other than the odd comment in the source? |
| [19:52:59] | juski: | anyway I emailed someone who'd seen the issue with projectgrayhem and asked them to see if changing that line fixed it for them. not heard anything back yet |
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| [19:54:11] | janneg: | I don't know but iirc there are no comments in the code. which is ok since the code is clear |
| [19:55:48] | janneg: | it is the same error in both ProjectGrayhem base.xmls |
| [19:56:06] | juski: | yeah I know |
| [19:56:10] | juski: | I copied em all |
| [19:56:15] | juski: | whoops |
| [19:56:29] | juski: | I dunno, you just can't get the staff these days |
| [19:58:42] | juski: | my ickle 3.3GB mp3 player arrived today.. very dinky. only £15 delivered. have to sort my music collecction out good & proper soon |
| [19:58:56] | BULLE: | 3.3gb ? |
| [19:59:00] | BULLE: | pretty wierd size |
| [19:59:11] | juski: | yeah I know |
| [19:59:23] | BULLE: | some small harddrive in it ? |
| [19:59:32] | juski: | yep |
| [20:00:03] | juski: | can't find any means of opening it, and believe me I've been looking |
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| [20:01:54] | BULLE: | he, why do you want to open it ? |
| [20:02:01] | juski: | just to have a look |
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| [20:02:29] | BULLE: | i bet its a seagate microdrive in it, seems like seagate is the by far largest manufacturer of those small hds |
| [20:02:37] | BULLE: | you can most likely dig up a picture on seagates homepage =) |
| [20:03:05] | juski: | my next car stereo will have USB, so this thing will come in handy |
| [20:03:30] | ** BULLE dont have a car ** | |
| [20:03:59] | gbee: | hiya cesman |
| [20:04:47] | juski: | hey gbee. you been breaking mythmusic with my theme? tsck. and here was me thinking it's about ready to roll out! ;) |
| [20:04:54] | gbee: | heh |
| [20:05:20] | gbee: | if it helps it's not the only wide theme that doesn't work well with mythmusic |
| [20:05:46] | cesman: | hello gbee |
| [20:06:17] | gbee: | what make/model is the mp3 player btw? not seen any that cheap for that size |
| [20:06:20] | dansmith_: | is mvpmc 0.3.1 supposed to work with myth 0.20? |
| [20:06:43] | juski: | well, I finish work this friday, so once I've got some olbigatory piss-ups out of the way (fri & sat) and the rest of my shopping, and the theme release, I can start bashing some more mythmusic UI mockups together |
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| [20:06:56] | GreyFoxx: | dansmith_: I believe the latest release of it does |
| [20:07:13] | dansmith_: | GreyFoxx: hmm, ok.. 't'ain |
| [20:07:17] | dansmith_: | t working for me |
| [20:07:48] | GreyFoxx: | My MVP has been on a shelf for a few months so I haven't tried it seince 0.20 came out |
| [20:07:52] | juski: | mvpmc have forums IIRC |
| [20:08:04] | GreyFoxx: | the mailing list is quite active |
| [20:08:04] | juski: | should be able to get the skinny on it round there |
| [20:08:20] | dansmith_: | My MVP just gets used when I have guests, and since the holidays are coming up, I need it :) |
| [20:08:27] | dansmith_: | juski: thanks, I'll look |
| [20:08:34] | juski: | you make guests watch TV? ;) |
| [20:08:44] | GreyFoxx: | Maybe over XMas I'll find the time to plug it back in |
| [20:09:20] | dansmith_: | juski: heck yea :) |
| [20:09:38] | juski: | oh yeah I keep forgetting, folks not in the UK can afford palatial houses with whole guest wings & stuff |
| [20:10:39] | dansmith_: | I wouldn't call my house palatial :) |
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| [20:11:15] | juski: | heh. we were gonna have a big party over new years but we only have one spare room |
| [20:11:32] | juski: | folks might take offence at having to crash in the shed |
| [20:11:37] | dansmith_: | hah |
| [20:12:02] | BULLE: | juski: you dont have floors in the living room, kitchen, etc ? |
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| [20:12:39] | juski: | yeah but mrs J reckons they'd take offence at that too.. damn snobs |
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| [20:13:41] | juski: | though I dunno how mythmusic would cope with drunks |
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| [20:14:08] | juski: | "this UI is all blurred" |
| [20:14:54] | BULLE: | juski: tell mrs J that if they are sober enough to take offence, then the party has been a failure anyway, so then they can ver well get offended aswell =) |
| [20:15:12] | juski: | hahahaha |
| [20:16:24] | juski: | anyway no doubt it'll just be us, rolling in at around midnight, then cranking the stereo up to 11 again |
| [20:18:48] | juski: | whoah there. VLC can't play m4p files :( |
| [20:19:42] | GreyFoxx: | I was just about to try playing some. They play in myth but don't handle FF or RWD very well heh |
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| [20:27:50] | in8_: | I've been playing with lirc last couple of days, problem is lirc is missing events, like every 2nd or 3rd event. is this just how its going to be, or is it because I have a cheap serial ir reciever? |
| [20:28:16] | juski: | does lirc miss the events when you try using irw? |
| [20:28:24] | in8_: | yes |
| [20:28:37] | juski: | maybe try recording a new lircd.conf using irrecord then |
| [20:28:43] | in8_: | doesn't seem to miss anything on irrecord though |
| [20:28:54] | gbee: | in8_: I've two cheap serial receivers and both work fine |
| [20:28:57] | in8_: | I'll try |
| [20:29:15] | juski: | I've got loads of homebrew serial receivers & all work fine |
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| [20:31:01] | juski: | could be a thing about bright sunlight, or fluorescent lighting in the room, or generally just lighting |
| [20:31:26] | juski: | the filters on some receivers aren't anything to write home about |
| [20:31:35] | BULLE: | irw never misses for me |
| [20:31:39] | BULLE: | irrecord always misses for me |
| [20:31:51] | BULLE: | eg, it doesnt work, it just screams out errors whenever i try to use it |
| [20:32:08] | juski: | the receivers I've got all use TSSOP devices & they're fantastic |
| [20:32:36] | BULLE: | nothign wrong with my receiver, the remote it came with works like a charm |
| [20:32:43] | BULLE: | its just, that irrecord doesnt work with it |
| [20:33:47] | juski: | yeah well a lot of ir receivers, like those which come on tv tuners are 'intelligent' and will only work with one set of codes – the ones the provided remote emits |
| [20:34:13] | BULLE: | well, this receiver comes with ir blasters aswell |
| [20:34:21] | BULLE: | and in windows, you can use it to read other remotes |
| [20:34:42] | BULLE: | so im pretty sure its a driver/lirc issue, and not a hardware issue |
| [20:35:24] | PeterC: | Hello! When mythfrontend is running (but idle) i get ivtv DMA errors and the recording stops. Without mythfrontend running everything records fine. Anyone with similar problem? Debian using kernel 2.6.18-3-k7 and ivtv 0.8.1 |
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| [20:38:23] | seth|laptop: | my problem is exactly the same as yours, at least so far. I have shut off mythfrontend, and my pvr recordings are working flawlessly |
| [20:38:45] | seth|laptop: | debian kernel 2.6.17 and ivtv 0.7.2 |
| [20:39:43] | PeterC: | seth|laptop: What capture card? I have a Hauppauge PVR-150 |
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| [20:39:54] | seth|laptop: | hauppage pvr150MCE |
| [20:40:11] | seth|laptop: | identical situations, other than kernel/drivers |
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| [20:40:22] | seth|laptop: | but I am running the max revision for my kernel |
| [20:40:53] | PeterC: | seth|laptop: Yes, but I had the same problem with 2.6.16 and 0.6 also |
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| [20:41:55] | seth|laptop: | well the last time I didn't have it was 2.6.15 I'm guessing its some kind of bug, my solution will be to relocate the pvr card to a slave box, for now |
| [20:42:34] | seth|laptop: | it does not affect my hd tv cards, only the ivtv driver bound ones |
| [20:42:41] | seth|laptop: | maddening really |
| [20:43:20] | seth|laptop: | looking thru the forums only yields shutting down the front end, and I can't do that while I am home, so, I have to relocate the casrd |
| [20:43:26] | seth|laptop: | er card |
| [20:43:30] | in8_: | juski one other question... should I be using lircd or lircrcd? |
| [20:43:37] | KaZeR: | hey people. how can i update safely two datasources with one xmltv file? at the moment it recreates the channels from my second output... |
| [20:46:55] | PeterC: | seth|laptop: Is the use of the sql database heavy during recording and also from the frontend? |
| [20:47:17] | seth|laptop: | lemme check |
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| [20:49:22] | seth|laptop: | PeterC: my top processes are ivtv-enc-vbi mythcommflag ivtv-enc mythbackend mysqld is not up there |
| [20:50:44] | seth|laptop: | PeterC: mythfrontend is noit running, and mysqld occasionally pops up around 0.3% |
| [20:50:52] | PeterC: | seth|laptop: OK, I don't see aany unusal heavy load either. Maybe I should start mythbackend with debugging |
| [20:51:28] | seth|laptop: | I wonder if opengl painter has anything to do with it, perhaps I should switch back to qt |
| [20:52:34] | seth|laptop: | all I have to say is thank goodness scifi re-runs their new shows every night before the next in the series |
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| [20:53:35] | cptpotato: | does anyone have info on which hauppauge card to get |
| [20:53:49] | PeterC: | seth|laptop: Maybe. I also have opengl enabled and I use G.A.N.T theme if that is of any relevance |
| [20:54:30] | seth|laptop: | well I use a custom theme, bloo-tube, but I have not tried running mythfrontend with qt .vs opengl, tongiht will be a good test |
| [20:56:53] | seth|laptop: | PeterC: tonight at 9pm est, bones will be recording in HD, and The Lost Room will be recording on SD, and I will be watching something with the frontend, so that will be the ultimate test. I will disable opengl and run qt, and hope |
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| [20:58:27] | SuperSmurf: | What's the channel for talking about "patching" mythtv with SASC etc? |
| [20:58:32] | PeterC: | seth|laptop: Good luck then. I should do some testing too. |
| [20:58:59] | cptpotato: | what kinda cards do u recommend |
| [20:59:04] | PeterC: | seth|laptop: Do you use any powersaving etc? |
| [20:59:10] | seth|laptop: | PeterC: no |
| [20:59:18] | juski: | SuperSmurf: there's no channel |
| [20:59:20] | seth|laptop: | I run full out all day long |
| [20:59:42] | juski: | SuperSmurf: stop asking about that in here please |
| [21:00:19] | ille: | SuperSmurf: there is a forum, http://www.dreamboxx.nu/ |
| [21:00:38] | PeterC: | seth|laptop: I was told that powersaving could be a problem. I have powersaved installed but it's set for full performance |
| [21:00:45] | seth|laptop: | cptpotato: any hauppage card will do, pvr150 is a good starter, then the 250, or the 350, If you want dual tuners get the pvr500, for HD (free to air) I can recommend air2pc rev. 2 and up cards, as for HD over from the cable company, I have no experience |
| [21:01:29] | seth|laptop: | PeterC: I checked that out as well perusing the forums, but my box was already set for performance |
| [21:04:02] | seth|laptop: | PeterC: right now at home I am recording 1 HD stream, and 1 SD stream, and without the frontend running, everything is working perfectly, including commflag. They are both storing to the same drive. It must be something with the frontend |
| [21:04:19] | cptpotato: | seth|laptop: say i have a pvr150 with one tuner, i'll be able to record a show, but can i still view other shows on livetv |
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| [21:04:31] | juski: | cptpotato: nope |
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| [21:04:51] | seth|laptop: | cptpotato: no, if you are recording one show, you will have to either watch the current recording, or add another card :-( |
| [21:05:19] | seth|laptop: | now if you snag another pvr 150 card, you can watch one stream whilest recording another |
| [21:05:36] | thunder: | All, is here someone that is familiar with the remote control of the S100 set-top box? |
| [21:05:37] | seth|laptop: | but if you are recording on both, you have to watch on of the "recorded" shows |
| [21:05:56] | juski: | thunder: www.juski.co.uk |
| [21:06:07] | juski: | it works as a PS2 keyboard |
| [21:06:16] | kali67: | hello, I have Debian Etch with 2.6.19 kernel, ivtv 0.9.1 and myth 0.20 with PVR 500, when I turn on captions in the setup , I get the following error " MPEGRec(/dev/video0) Error: Error getting codec params using old IVTV ioctl |
| [21:06:17] | kali67: | eno: Bad address (14)" |
| [21:06:24] | juski: | remote button presses are turned into keyboard events by the front panel controller, thunder :) |
| [21:06:40] | kali67: | any suggestions on how to fix the problem ? |
| [21:06:55] | thunder: | juski: it seems to send the same keycodes with some keys |
| [21:07:12] | juski: | thunder: I don't think so |
| [21:07:18] | juski: | I list them all on my site |
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| [21:07:39] | cptpotato: | seth|laptop: so.. also it has "s-video in" it says. i can hook that up so i view the desktop on the tv screen correct? i thought s-video-out connects a pc display to tv. whats the difference |
| [21:07:41] | thunder: | I just used the MythTV setup to program the remote control keys |
| [21:07:42] | PiranhaP: | I just sucessfully setup a backend/frontend and another separate frontend, all of which was working. That is until I rebooted the computer. Now trying to 'Watch TV' just goes to a black screen for about a minute before returning to the menu. What happened? |
| [21:08:37] | thunder: | juski: i check your site before I ask more stupid questions ;-) |
| [21:08:37] | juski: | thunder: that might not work so well. see http://homepage.ntlworld.com/justin.hornsby2/s100/keycodes.txt |
| [21:09:07] | juski: | I used xmodmap when I was playing with it |
| [21:09:58] | juski: | funny, but my site is high up on googles list of 's100 hacking' sites ;) |
| [21:10:13] | juski: | er... top I mean |
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| [21:12:50] | SuperSmurf: | I have succeded it to work with Twinhan S card. |
| [21:13:03] | juski: | SuperSmurf: we don't want to know |
| [21:13:21] | juski: | this is a moderated, _logged_ channel |
| [21:13:38] | GreyFoxx: | SuperSmurf: You have been told before, we do not want talk of that here, stop or be banned |
| [21:13:39] | SuperSmurf: | I'm just telling that MythTv is working with it, is it forbidden? |
| [21:13:49] | Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : +o juski | |
| [21:14:31] | GreyFoxx: | SuperSmurf: Any discussion of it is no wanted here |
| [21:15:13] | juski: | mythtv is on the right side of the law across the world, and we want it to stay that way. it's as simple as that |
| [21:15:15] | kali67: | I'm getting "Error getting codec params using old IVTV ioctl' in myth 0.20 log, any suggestion on how to fix it ? |
| [21:15:57] | SuperSmurf: | Yes!! |
| [21:18:09] | Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : +v juski | |
| [21:18:48] | seth|laptop: | cptpotato: the s-video in is just for hooking in a set top box, like cable or dish, it does not output. Your video card will have to have some form of tv out, most nvidia cards have svideo, or even better component out, but unless you get a 350 i beleive, the svideo is input only |
| [21:19:14] | thunder: | juski: sorry for contiuning asking but: how do I properly configure MythTV to react to the multiple characters sent out by the S100 remote? |
| [21:19:32] | juski: | thunder: they're not multiple characters |
| [21:19:32] | BULLE: | seth|laptop: you are correct, the only happauge pvr card that has tv out is the 350 |
| [21:20:55] | gbee: | and the pvr-350 tv out has regular problems in mythtv |
| [21:20:56] | seth|laptop: | BULLE: that is what I thought. Thanks |
| [21:21:33] | thunder: | juski: the only thing I need to do is to add the last lines from http://homepage.ntlworld.com/justin.hornsby2/s100/keycodes.txt to my .Xmodmap file? |
| [21:21:45] | Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : -o juski | |
| [21:22:11] | seth|laptop: | cptpotato: I would just pick up an inexpensive nvidia fx5200 card with video out, they are like $30 or $40 bucks, and they display the desktop to tv fine |
| [21:22:37] | juski: | thunder: basically yeah |
| [21:23:04] | thunder: | juski: cool I give it a try :-) |
| [21:23:22] | juski: | thunder: I think you'll have to restart X to see the change though |
| [21:23:34] | cptpotato: | but then i'd need a motherboard with two video card adapters |
| [21:24:01] | seth|laptop: | no. just replace the one you have with the 5200, it goes out to tv and a monitor, both |
| [21:25:00] | juski: | time to watch some mythtv anyhoo |
| [21:25:04] | juski: | biab |
| [21:25:04] | cptpotato: | o wait... the hauppauge isnt a video card? just a regular pci card? |
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| [21:26:08] | seth|laptop: | yes, the hauppage is for capturing tv it is a seperate piece |
| [21:26:18] | cptpotato: | o wow that simplifies a loit |
| [21:26:53] | Toast: | I have an apparently crashed database that "mysqlcheck -r -umythtv -paJPidfAz mythconverg" says is fine. Can anyone recommend anything else I can try, or any guide that may help? |
| [21:27:00] | seth|laptop: | if you want even simpler, when you go to install mythtv, use knoppmyth |
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| [21:27:26] | Toast: | don't worry, that sql install is firewalled :) |
| [21:28:42] | cptpotato: | knoppmyth? |
| [21:29:11] | seth|laptop: | prebuilt version of mythtv http://mysettopbox.tv |
| [21:29:11] | cptpotato: | well im gonna install it on gentoo, so it'll be easy |
| [21:29:17] | seth|laptop: | hehe |
| [21:29:22] | seth|laptop: | that would be a switch |
| [21:29:26] | cptpotato: | just a simple emerge |
| [21:29:28] | seth|laptop: | but by all means go ahead |
| [21:29:52] | cptpotato: | gentoo is complicated but once its up, all u do is emerge the program u want and it works |
| [21:30:01] | ** seth|laptop will not comment on gentoo, as I am using it on a frontend only box currently ** | |
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| [21:49:33] | Toast: | Is a database crash a common error? |
| [21:50:02] | BULLE: | Toast: depends a bit on what database you use |
| [21:50:13] | BULLE: | Toast: but for mysql, yes, i would say its not that uncommon |
| [21:50:33] | GreyFoxx: | bogus |
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| [21:50:49] | GreyFoxx: | It's usually environmental |
| [21:51:04] | GreyFoxx: | kill -9'ing mysql mid write, or sudden powerloss etf |
| [21:51:06] | GreyFoxx: | etc |
| [21:51:15] | GreyFoxx: | Or of course if it crashes |
| [21:51:24] | Toast: | Well, I can chalk these crashes down to system crashes, but I have to figure out now how to repair the damage. |
| [21:51:41] | GreyFoxx: | But a normal mysql database running will not just corrupt itself |
| [21:51:54] | GreyFoxx: | which tables ? |
| [21:52:05] | GreyFoxx: | often you can login to mysql and do a "repair table;" |
| [21:52:20] | BULLE: | if you use the default table backend, right ? |
| [21:52:32] | Toast: | ./mythconverg/oldrecorded for one. |
| [21:53:06] | GreyFoxx: | toast login to the database and try "repair oldrecorded;" |
| [21:54:10] | GreyFoxx: | not as something to repair that, but as a general safety blanket you might consider doing regular mysql dumps as well |
| [21:54:13] | Toast: | I did run mysqlcheck -r on the whole thing, as I think the wiki recommended, and that ran clean. |
| [21:54:13] | BULLE: | i notived there was this option in 0.20 that kind of implied you could use somethign besides mysql, but the only valid option i have to select, is mysql =) |
| [21:54:26] | Toast: | I will try your method. |
| [21:54:49] | GreyFoxx: | BULLE: Mysql is the only option. There was a brief consideration of alternate databases that went nowhere |
| [21:55:33] | BULLE: | GreyFoxx: ye, i think i was reading something about it, and that the longtime goal was to go for an embedded database, if the database will ever be changed |
| [21:55:41] | GreyFoxx: | yup |
| [21:55:48] | kslater: | it went nowhere because there is nobody stepping up to take a branch and do the hard work of getting it running on some other db |
| [21:55:49] | BULLE: | thats a sane approach i guess |
| [21:56:05] | GreyFoxx: | I've spent some time messing with using embedded mysql which would stop a lot of users issues with configuring it |
| [21:56:15] | GreyFoxx: | but so far it's been a pain to get running |
| [21:56:20] | gbee: | kslater: getting it running is just the start, you then have to maintain that compatibility |
| [21:56:32] | GreyFoxx: | if we were using QT4 it's supposedly simple to use |
| [21:56:37] | kslater: | right |
| [21:56:49] | BULLE: | qt has its database abstraction layer |
| [21:56:50] | gbee: | far simpler to use one db engine and stick to it |
| [21:56:53] | BULLE: | thats pretty ok |
| [21:57:03] | BULLE: | gbee: its no worse to use the qt stuff realy |
| [21:57:05] | kslater: | and make the entire approach generic enough to be portable across several db's – no small feat |
| [21:58:48] | Toast: | having a little trouble with the command syntax... didn't work as typed... will look up details. |
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| [22:00:43] | Toast: | and extended check tables came back clean. |
| [22:01:08] | Toast: | I can't even see oldrecorded in the list of tables !?! |
| [22:02:02] | Toast: | I think I'll have another look after dinner. |
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| [22:11:36] | Inssomniak: | is myth capable of changing the resolution using xrandr based on the tv content? Switch my TV into 1080i if its a 1080i broadcast, 720p, SD, etc. ? |
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| [22:14:57] | kslater: | I've heard that it is capable |
| [22:15:28] | kslater: | for some the mode switches it goes thru aren't worth it, so they just scale instead |
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| [22:32:22] | daxroc: | Hello all |
| [22:32:52] | daxroc: | Can mythtv be setup for playback only ? no watch tv options etc ? |
| [22:33:12] | kslater: | you could remove it from the menu |
| [22:34:03] | kslater: | mainmenu.xml has an entry for "Watch TV". Remove that and you could only play back recordings. Is that what you're after? |
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| [22:34:55] | daxroc: | yeah, do I set the recording location in the mythtv-setup ? |
| [22:35:58] | juski: | it's in the general section there |
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| [22:36:39] | daxroc: | ok cool, thank's much appreciated |
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| [22:39:02] | PiranhaP: | I figured out why I get the black screen in LiveTV. Apparently, the ivtv module detects my cards in a random order (PVR-150, ATI TV Wonder VE). Is there a way to force the Hauppage as /dev/video0 and the ATI as /dev/video1? |
| [22:39:39] | PiranhaP: | oh, nm, i see the ivtv note in the title. Sorry |
| [22:39:40] | juski: | PiranhaP: thankfully that's quite easy to fix |
| [22:40:15] | PiranhaP: | juski: I hoped so. I've seen how to do it with network cards and the likes, but it's been a long time. |
| [22:40:28] | juski: | PiranhaP: blacklist the kernel module that the v4l card uses, then load it after ivtv |
| [22:40:41] | BULLE: | PiranhaP: just write sane udev rules |
| [22:40:49] | jduggan_: | juski: how did you fix it? i just moved the modules and manually loaded them from a script at startup in the order i wanted them |
| [22:40:54] | jduggan_: | ah ok, u answered |
| [22:40:55] | BULLE: | PiranhaP: so it mapps the ivtv module to video0 and the ati video1 |
| [22:40:56] | juski: | in ubuntu you'd add the module name to a line in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist |
| [22:41:03] | jduggan_: | i did try the blacklist method, didnt seem to work |
| [22:41:08] | juski: | it's easier than udev |
| [22:41:13] | BULLE: | jduggan_: just fix your udev rules |
| [22:41:23] | juski: | "udev rules" is something of a misnomer. it bloody doesn't rule |
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| [22:41:55] | jduggan_: | BULLE: where would i 'fix' them? udev is some voodoo blackmagic to me, just like alsa |
| [22:42:03] | jduggan_: | havent really researched it |
| [22:42:07] | PiranhaP: | I like the udev idea (cleanest), but sounds like blacklisting will be easier. |
| [22:42:22] | BULLE: | jduggan_: there is nice udev documentation from the udev site, that explains how you construct rules, etc |
| [22:42:32] | jduggan_: | okay |
| [22:42:48] | Scopeuk: | does it explain how to resist the urge to throw the pc out the window? |
| [22:42:50] | ** Scopeuk ducks ** | |
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| [22:43:35] | juski: | the udev documentation is as easy to understand as alsa's – i.e. it's not exactly for human beings |
| [22:43:36] | PiranhaP: | What I'm confused about: I only have ivtv set to autoload at boot, bttv just seems to be pulled in by it. So will blacklisting it prevent ivtv from loading? |
| [22:43:46] | juski: | PiranhaP: no |
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| [22:44:09] | PiranhaP: | juski, ok. I'll give it a try. |
| [22:44:23] | BULLE: | juski: i didnt find the udev info hard at all, it had nice examples and all, with some usb drives etc |
| [22:44:27] | PiranhaP: | juski, BULLE, jduggan_: thank you |
| [22:44:39] | juski: | maybe I should give it another go |
| [22:45:48] | BULLE: | http://www.reactivated.net/writing_udev_rules.html |
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| [22:49:47] | juski: | I'll take a look at it some other time |
| [22:49:55] | juski: | blacklisting just worked for me (tm) |
| [22:50:07] | juski: | right now it's time I went to bed |
| [22:50:26] | juski: | keep that pesky little blue fella in his place folks ;) |
| [22:50:49] | juski: | cablethief or whatever his name was |
| [22:50:59] | ** Scopeuk salutes ** | |
| [22:51:01] | Scopeuk: | yes sir |
| [22:51:19] | juski: | haha no need for that shit, mr scopeuk :) |
| [22:51:53] | Scopeuk: | ;-) |
| [22:52:18] | Scopeuk: | resistign to the temptation to reply with yes sir mr juski sir |
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| [22:54:34] | PiranhaP: | weird. I added 'blacklist bttv' to Gentoo's /etc/modules.d/ivtv, but running modules-update seems to stall now. I'll try adding the line elsewhere. |
| [22:57:05] | PiranhaP: | s/stall/hang/ |
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| [23:11:34] | daviey: | grr, lirc is doing my head in |
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| [23:17:50] | in8__: | what is lirc doing to yer head? |
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| [23:24:19] | daviey: | hurting it |
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| [23:28:06] | in8__: | mine too what issue are you having? |
| [23:28:19] | in8__: | I'm getting missed events |
| [23:28:53] | daviey: | installing the driver! |
| [23:29:27] | in8__: | deb rpm source svn? |
| [23:29:45] | in8__: | and also what kernel version you got? |
| [23:30:23] | daviey: | ubuntu 2.6.17-10-generic. Both debs and installing from src |
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| [23:30:36] | in8__: | 2.6.17 and up you need to check out the svn |
| [23:30:44] | daviey: | your joking! |
| [23:30:47] | daviey: | no wonder |
| [23:30:49] | in8__: | compile problem right? |
| [23:30:53] | daviey: | yes |
| [23:31:07] | in8__: | I had the same prob 2 nights ago.... |
| [23:31:13] | daviey: | on ubuntu? |
| [23:31:23] | in8__: | mepis... close :) |
| [23:31:38] | daviey: | damn, i was hoping you built a working deb |
| [23:31:50] | in8__: | nope... I wish... |
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| [23:32:36] | in8__: | brb |
| [23:32:41] | numer: | hello, my GANT theme does not show menues anymore. has anyone got an idea what could have happened |
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| [23:33:34] | psofa: | numer, maybe an old theme / new myth? |
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| [23:34:03] | numer: | psofa i installed all from the debian multimedia repository. mhh |
| [23:36:24] | in8__: | sorry davey... it was cvs not svn |
| [23:37:53] | daviey: | k |
| [23:38:04] | daviey: | was there a guide you followed, or were you lucky? |
| [23:38:16] | numer: | also, where can i find the photo theme, the link on the myth-wiki does not work |
| [23:39:42] | in8__: | do you have the cvs as of yet? |
| [23:39:51] | daviey: | no |
| [23:40:09] | daviey: | currently i was trying to install lirc-0.8.1pre2 |
| [23:40:30] | jams: | numer- far as I know mythphoto is outdated and will no longer work |
| [23:40:52] | numer: | jams i see, but it looks quite good |
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| [23:41:26] | jams: | heh have not used it in over 2 years |
| [23:41:43] | numer: | some themes do not work,they do not show the menues, what could be the problems, some themes do work without any problems, and on some the fonts are far to large |
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| [23:42:55] | jams: | numer, the first thing to check is to make sure your running at 100dpi, and that you have the fonts installed the theme wants |
| [23:43:19] | numer: | 100dpi, can i configure this in the xorg.conf file? |
| [23:43:33] | in8__: | daviey: goto www.lirc.org/cvs.html |
| [23:43:48] | daviey: | cheers |
| [23:44:03] | in8__: | sorry I'm at work and get called away every now and then |
| [23:44:26] | jams: | http://mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Display_Size |
| [23:44:27] | in8__: | that page will walk you through it.... |
| [23:44:38] | numer: | thank you jams |
| [23:45:28] | in8__: | my compile was effortless.... soon as I figgured out there were new "features" with the 2.6.17+ kernels |
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| [23:45:44] | zach_: | hi there everyone |
| [23:46:28] | zach_: | hello? |
| [23:47:27] | jams: | hi |
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| [23:50:10] | numer: | jams i'm running 100x100dpi how do i find out which fonts the gant theme is expecting? |
| [23:51:46] | jams: | you would need to look through ui.xml or theme.xml for the GANT theme |
| [23:52:10] | jams: | all the fonts used have a font tag around them. |
| [23:52:16] | numer: | ok |
| [23:53:13] | jams: | although I think it uses the freesans font. but not for sure |
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| [23:53:26] | numer: | the fonts in GANT is all Arial, and arial is installed i think |
| [23:53:37] | jams: | if you have the mscore fonts installed then it should cover most themes |
| [23:54:00] | numer: | do you know if mscore is a debian package |
| [23:54:48] | daviey: | there is a deb for it |
| [23:54:49] | jams: | dont' know |
| [23:54:50] | robbins876: | anyone here? |
| [23:55:02] | in8__: | daviey if your remote functions as expected, I'll hate you.... |
| [23:55:04] | numer: | daviey, do you know how it is called |
| [23:55:57] | numer: | it is called msttcorefonts |
| [23:56:03] | daviey: | thats it |
| [23:56:34] | daviey: | in8_, yeah right "config.status: error: cannot find input file: Makefile.in" |
| [23:56:38] | numer: | could this be the problem? that the theme GANT is not showing menuentries? |
| [23:59:51] | in8__: | daviey from cvs? |
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