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Tuesday, December 12th, 2006, 00:00 UTC

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Ediehow:

hi friends

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Ediehow:

i was wondering, when i hit "i" it shows the show information

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Ediehow:

but it doesn't show the whole thing, it gets cut off near the bottom

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Ediehow:

any way to lower the text size so i can see entire?

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Jaak:

can a mythtv backend with with multible tunercards hand more frontends simultanious, talking about live tv?

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GreyFoxx:

yes

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Jaak:

oki

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Jaak:

because now (with on tunercard) a second frontend can't show live tv

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sivik:

ok, i'm having problems getting mythtv set up, my capture card works, i'm in tvtime but i don't have any sound but i can't get mythtv to work

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tracy_:

sivik: bttv driver?

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xris:

sivik: what kind of card, etc?

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sivik:

its a hauppauge pvr-150

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xris:

sivik: did you install the audio *and* video firmware files?

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sivik:

didn't know i needed to do that

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xris:

need them for the card to work

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tracy_:

sivik: what distro u running mythtv on?

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Jaak:

aah, you know what the stupid thing is, i am always trying out all the tv watching software on linux/win it takes up all my time, and then when it works, i realise i never watch tv....

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sivik:

ubuntu

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sivik:

Jaak, then maybe you don't need it

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sivik:

Jaak, i mostly wanted it so i could tape hockey games while i was at school

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GreyFoxx:

Jaak: And with something like myth most people eventually stop being slave to the tv stations and stop watching livetv altogether

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sivik:

tracy_, ubuntu

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Jaak:

I just want it so i can watch tv outdoors over the web...

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sivik:

my lspci says its brooktree corporation bt878 video and audio capture

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Jaak:

Is there a way to pswd protect the server loose from mysql pswd

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sivik:

Jaak, i'm still trying to get mysql to accept changes

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GreyFoxx:

Jaak: Huh ?

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GreyFoxx:

Mysql is password protected, but mythbackend isn't

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Jaak:

yes, that's my question, why isn't the backend protected?

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sivik:

i'm trying to get my root to have a password, but when i add one, it never accepts it

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xris:

sivik: that's not a pvr-150

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sivik:

xris, then what is it

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sivik:

it may be win-go

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xris:

sivik: wintv-go would be likely

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sivik:

xris, how do i figure out what firmware is needed

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GreyFoxx:

Jaak: It's intended to be an appliance , not an internet facing service

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xris:

you probably need a patch cable to go from the tuner card to your soundcard

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xris:

sivik: no firmware needed

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sivik:

xris, already have it, thats how it runs in winblows

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xris:

sivik: then you need to read the section in the mythtv docs about how to configure sound input

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sivik:

ok, so why isn't my sound working in tvtime?

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sivik:

i haven't gotten mythtv to even work, video nor sound

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Jaak:

GreyFoxx, yes i guess so, but ppl should realise it has that feature...

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GreyFoxx:

what feature ?

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Jaak:

It offers great things!

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Jaak:

Being a internet facing app

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GreyFoxx:

god I hope not

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xris:

sivik: becaue you haven't configured your soundcard properly

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Jaak:

Why not?

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xris:

the mythtv docs will tell you how to do that (it's outside of mythtv, and will fix the issues in tvtime)

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sivik:

xris: so how do i go about doing that?

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xris:

sivik: read the documentation?

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sivik:

xris: ok

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GreyFoxx:

If people want to reach it from outside they can use a vpn(openvpn or whatever), portforward over ssh, mythstreamtv to minimize the bw needed to stream or some other better option

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sivik:

xris: is it on the mythtv website?

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xris:

sivik: yes. "documentation"

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sivik:

xris: ok

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Ediehow:

i really hate the dishnetwork screensaver

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Ediehow:

it ruined my episode of columbo last night

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Ediehow:

when i hit "info" when watching something in myth, it cuts off the text at the bottom

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sivik:

xris: that didn't do anything for my sound, i followed the documintation

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Ediehow:

is there a way to fix that?

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tracy_:

i hated all the software based/ patch cable tuner cards i tried

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Ediehow:

my pctv was OK

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tracy_:

sivik: had the win-tv go, and another one, never got sound working

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tracy_:

tried for only a month though

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Jaak:

GrayFoxx, yes that would be a better sollution

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sivik:

tracy_, damn

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tracy_:

then i bought a hardware encoded card, and it worked out the box

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GreyFoxx:

Jaak: There is also plans for a flash based addition to mythweb for remote playback

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sivik:

tracy_, what card is it?

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Ediehow:

grey, that would be awesome

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tracy_:

so if u really wanted to get something working i would say buy a pvr150

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Ediehow:

pvr 150mce

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sivik:

tracy_, and how much you say

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tracy_:

special this week for $40

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sivik:

lol

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Ediehow:

wow, that is cheap

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Ediehow:

where

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Ediehow:

?

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sivik:

where?

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tracy_:

compusa

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Ediehow:

on their site?

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tracy_:

http://www.compusa.com/products/product_info. . . . deo_Recorder

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tracy_:

yip

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tracy_:

only for instore pickup

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sivik:

screw compsusa

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tracy_:

they suck, but it is the best price i have ever seen that card for

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tracy_:

and it rules

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sivik:

ok

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frank___:

tracy_: sivik: I had to do some mucking around in alsamixer to get my software encoding card to work

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sivik:

frank___, what card, and how do you mess with it?

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frank___:

tracy_: sivik: o record sound I mean

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tracy_:

frank___: that is what i did for a month, and never got it to work :(

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sivik:

what about listening to sound

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sivik:

i'm trying to get it to work to watch before i try to record

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frank___:

activate capture and line in alsamixer

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sivik:

i'm trying to figure out if i have alsa installed or not

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frank___:

If I remember, play video with tvtime, then try stuff in alsamixer until you hear sound

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sivik:

ok

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tracy_:

once u have tvtime working, then u have to screw up every setting to get it to work in mythtv

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sivik:

lol

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frank___:

sivik: tracy, thats my secondary card though. my pvr-150 is MUCH better

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tracy_:

and i'm not joking ;)

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sivik:

what is your secondary card?

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frank___:

I'll buy a 2nd pvr-150 when I find a good deal on it

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sivik:

why do you need 2 pvr's?

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frank___:

MSI Master Plus

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tracy_:

after one month of screwing with a software encoded card, and putting in the pvr150 and it worked straight away, i felt like an idiot

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tracy_:

frank___: i just showed u a good deal?

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sivik:

i don't have 40 bucks to go buy a new one

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tracy_:

return the trash u bought

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sivik:

its been well over a month

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frank___:

sivik: watch livetv while recording something. or record 2 things at the same time

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frank___:

tracy_: that IS a good deal. I'm in Canada though

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Jaak:

is it a known bug that a system running bot front and backend hangs switching to or from epg?

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Jaak:

hangs as in crashes

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** BULLE sings blame canada **

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Ediehow:

can someone answer this for me?

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Ediehow:

when i hit "info" when watching something in myth, it cuts off the text at the bottom

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Ediehow:

i don't get the last line or so

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frank___:

Ediehow: Try changing the OSD theme

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Ediehow:

oh ok

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Ediehow:

thx frank

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Jaak:

GreyFoxx? Flash based? That should be good, where can i find the development team, i'd like to read more, and assist

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Ediehow:

is it possible to "reflect" something for an IR blaster, so i don't have to point a certain direction everytime i use my remote?

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BULLE:

Ediehow: just fasten the ir blaster in the right direction ?

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Ediehow:

i sure like the opengl menu transition, but it's extremely annoying when each option takes up the entire screen and y ou can't see text

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Ediehow:

BULLE: i think it needs to be right next to the STB, too:O

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tracy_:

is the remote that comes with the pvr 150 work well on mythtv

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BULLE:

Ediehow: yeah, most likely

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Ediehow:

frank___: apparently OSD theme is not under appearance:O

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BULLE:

Ediehow: it realy depends on what ir blaster you are using and so on

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frank___:

tracy_: It should work well. I never managed to get my LIRC setup right though

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Ediehow:

usb-uirt

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frank___:

tracy_: but I think that's my fault/Ubuntu's fault

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Ediehow:

anyone using opengl paint?

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frank___:

Ediehow: it's in Tv Settings->Playback

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frank___:

Ediehow: Mythtv has too many options ;)

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frank___:

Ediehow: 9th screen

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frank___:

Ediehow: I use Isthmus

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Ediehow:

do you use opengl paint?

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frank___:

what is that?

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Jaak:

good night

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Ediehow:

under appearance

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Ediehow:

you can use opengl instead of qt as paint engine

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frank___:

dont remember

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Inssomniak:

xvmc does not seem to work well

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Ediehow:

frank___: it will make a huge difference

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Ediehow:

you'll notice;)

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Ediehow:

mythfrontend behaves completely diff

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tracy_:

Inssomniak: it doesnt work well for u? works for me

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Ediehow:

i like it a lot, however, once i hit up or down, the selection you are currently on takes up the whole screen

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Ediehow:

and there is no text

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frank___:

Ediehow: I'll try it sometime

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Inssomniak:

tracy_, it works, but the video preview window in the EPG sometimes screws up, and I lose color in the osd when I change a channel, and it stays gone

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Jaak:

oh, why isn't there a fit to screen option in live tv?

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Jaak:

(aspect ratio)

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GreyFoxx:

Jaak: there are aspect controls during playback

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GreyFoxx:

hit W to cycle through them, or just M to pull up the onscreen menu and pick the aspect you want

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GreyFoxx:

You set a default in the frontend setup menus

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Inssomniak:

how do you turn on live TV? (no recording in background)

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xris:

Inssomniak: power button on the front of your television

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Dagmar:

*rolls eyes*

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Inssomniak:

ok well let me reword it, I dont want any recording(buffering)

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Dagmar:

Tough.

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kormoc:

Inssomniak, you can't with myth

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Dagmar:

You're getting recordings.

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tank-man:

same answer

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tank-man:

powr button on tv

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Inssomniak:

hmm, might have to get faster CPU for watching hdtv

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kormoc:

Inssomniak, the entire point of myth is to allow time shifting, like pausing and rewinding tv. you can't do that without recording

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** mtnbkr tried to play his PS2 through MythTV last night... Forgot about the recording, transcoding and delay... lol **

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xris:

Inssomniak: recording HD shouldn't take up much cpu at all

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Dagmar:

For that matter, if your tuner card is doing hardware encoding, or you're getting a digital stream from it in the general, then turning off recording isn't going to help you any.

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Inssomniak:

I dont often pause TV, just like to schedure recordings

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xris:

Inssomniak: which is why people like me don't use myth for livetv

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xris:

(well, that and my wife doesn't like the big speakers for tv, and the mythbox is hooked up to them)

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Dagmar:

I don't see what scheduling recordings has to do with it.

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Dagmar:

I'm going to have to beat this ac97 crap into submission. *sigh*

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Inssomniak:

Im a long time vdr user, migrating :), and it had the options to buffer (timeshift), or turn it off and just act as a "vcr" for the most part

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Dagmar:

Seems like every time I turn around, the alsa drivers for controlling output routing break

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kormoc:

Inssomniak, sorry to say, myth doesn't allow that option

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xris:

Inssomniak: easier for the devs to code only ONE routine for playing video.

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xris:

plus, if you don't want time shifting, just use the tv as a tv, without mythtv in the middle

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Inssomniak:

I must be short CPU cycles, SD works fine, HD drives me up to 90% and audio cuts out badly

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Inssomniak:

xvmc is better, but dont work so well on other things

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xris:

Inssomniak: how fast is your cpu?

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Inssomniak:

2800++ amd job

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xris:

deinterlacing enabled?

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Inssomniak:

yup, that is a requirement for me

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xris:

Inssomniak: that will eat a LOT of cpu on HD

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xris:

switch to "bob" deinterlacer for HD

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Inssomniak:

thats what its on

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xris:

it's much less cpu internsive

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xris:

ahh

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xris:

turn it off and see if things are better?

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Inssomniak:

they are somewhat but still lose audio

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xris:

odd. disk IO shouldn't be that bad.

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Inssomniak:

I think I might grab a dual core rig

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Inssomniak:

what fs you guys usin?

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frank___:

Inssomniak: xfs for myth store

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kormoc:

Inssomniak, ext3

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frank___:

Inssomniak: xfs is supposed to be good for deleting large files

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Inssomniak:

cool

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Inssomniak:

anyone know how to get zap2it get info for ATSC channels?

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Inssomniak:

it worked for analog ones OK

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tracy_:

Inssomniak: i am running HD on p4 2.4

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tracy_:

and it is prebuffer free most of the time

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Inssomniak:

2006-12–11 20:30:20.016 WriteAudio: buffer underrun

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Inssomniak:

I get a lot of this

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tracy_:

i need to start mythfrontend from a terminal session again

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Dagmar:

Joy. Datadirect's server is hosed.

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The_Ball:

When I open a mythtv frontend and go into livetv I can watch the currently tuned channel but when I try to change the channel the video capture dies. Where should I start looking?

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tank-man:

log

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tank-man:

mythbackend log file

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Ediehow:

xris: you there?

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The_Ball:

is there any usefull output in the frontend log or is it the backend log which is of inteerest?

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Ediehow:

anyone using opengl as paint engine?

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The_Ball:

this is the console output from the frontend, is this of any use? http://rafb.net/paste/results/OZ1ieF53.html

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tracy_:

i must say, i love the way the pvr150 works, no load on the machine or anything

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mchou:

tracy_: bah. pvr 150 tuner leaves quite a bit to be desired

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mchou:

tracy_: ok if you use svideo, but tuner is bad news

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tracy_:

compared to a software encoded or a HD tuner, it is so much better in my setup

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mchou:

tracy_: firewire is light on CPU too :)

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tracy_:

firewire from?

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mchou:

STB

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tracy_:

although recording HD does not seem to put too much load on

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mchou:

tracy_: that's cause rcording HD doent require much load at all. no diff than downloading bits from the internet

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tracy_:

is it even possible, that recording with both a pvr150 and HD put a load of about 0.1

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tracy_:

so it is only watching TV kicks my computer butt

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Inssomniak:

the 2 weeks of EPG data is very nice

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Dagmar:

Hmm..

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Dagmar:

Has zap2it been working for anyone in the last hour?

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kormoc:

tracy_, sure, but remember, load is not the same as cpu usage

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Inssomniak:

so.. does myth have any sort of mechanism to listening to the WSS or other way to remove the white dashy lines at the top of some channels?

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tracy_:

kormoc: now that i have xvmc on it helps but i still get some prebuffering pauses and a load of about 2.5 when watching

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The_Ball:

mchou, which tuner would you use?

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tracy_:

Dagmar: the website works

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Inssomniak:

I use datadirect 1/2 hour ago was OK

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kormoc:

tracy_, in this case, you want to look at how much of the cpu is being used, not load (as load only measures the average job queue, not cpu usage).

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kormoc:

tracy_, top can show you that info (us, sy, ni, id, wa, hi, si)

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tracy_:

kormoc: so on a top, what is the interesting part

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tracy_:

the 2 top processes are mythfrontend, taking like 60% and 40% cpu usage

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kormoc:

tracy_, those numbers beside Cpu(s): is the important part

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kormoc:

how much is in WA?

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tracy_:

ok let me try, although i think it is running mythcommflag now

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tracy_:

and pvr150 still recording

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kormoc:

WA us waiting for IO, or in other words, waiting for access to the data. This could be the cause of the prebuffer pauses if too much is attempting to get at the drive at once

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tracy_:

69.3%us, 9.6%sy, 0.0%ni, 18.8%id, 1.0%wa, 0.3%hi, 1.0%si, 0.0%st

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tracy_:

^^ look bad?

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kormoc:

nah, that's typical

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tracy_:

i may need to work on my disk subsystem

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tracy_:

it is ext3 using lvm spanned 2 disks

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Inssomniak:

ok I figured out they are VBI lines at the top of the picture, I have it set in mythtv-setup properly but I still see the lines? any way to turn off showing VBI?

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tracy_:

any1 know what the -EN means in a tv channel name?

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tracy_:

i know SD and HD

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Dale:

hios

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riddlebox:

can anyone get to http://mythtv.beirdo.ca/wiki/ it is down for me

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Dale:

down, or slow at least

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Dale:

anyone know what to do with a back/frontend box that freezes a few seconds into recording or LiveTV?

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Dale:

And is it normal for Machine Status so show 6MB free (out of 256) and not be using any page file? O_o I'm running Knoppmyth

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tracy_:

Dale, i would say if u not using page file, and u have one set up, then u fine

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tracy_:

riddlebox: not coming back for me

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riddlebox:

dang, I need to know what the apt sources for ubuntu are

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Inssomniak:

anyone know of a PCI-e dual core board that has 4 pci slots on it?

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tracy_:

Inssomniak: i would think any full size mobo should have 4 slots

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tracy_:

what u doing with 4 slots?

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Inssomniak:

4 dvb cards

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tracy_:

connected all to cable?

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Inssomniak:

3 to satellite, one to OTA

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Inssomniak:

I dont have cable

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tracy_:

do u boost the 1 to 3 split from satellite?

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Inssomniak:

dishpro 34 switch connected to 3 dishes

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tracy_:

kormoc: what would be a WA that would worry u?

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tracy_:

now i have it at 10%

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kormoc:

tracy_, if it sticks around at that level, might be worrysome.

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tracy_:

6–8 most of the time, and kormoc if u had to build a dedicated mythbox what distro would u suggest?

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kormoc:

tracy_, personally, I use gentoo, but I would consider fedora

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tracy_:

i am running fc6 now, but thought i would get more life out of hardware by putting together a lean mean gentoo (although i dislike gentoo for some reason)

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Scopeuk:

tracy_ like the rest of us humans you dislike it beoucse it makes your life harder

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tracy_:

Scopeuk: yip i think u hit the nail on the head

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quantum:

I am having a wierd problem, I finnally got must of the stuff to work on my system but it won't record automatically. I looked in the log and I see this: Channel(/dev/video0): SetInputAndFormat() failed

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quantum:

now if I hit the record manually it seemed like it worked

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quantum:

anyone have any idea what could be causing this

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quantum:

hey, turn off your tv, is anybody out there?

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Inssomniak:

zap2it wont let you have more than one lineup?

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Inssomniak:

oh there it goes

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Inssomniak:

kinda have to do it lots of times

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quantum:

if anyone ever kills zap2it we are all in troubble

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Inssomniak:

i never heard of it until today

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Inssomniak:

Im liking it

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newbie0057:

quantum, did you mythfilldatabase? could the database be the problem?

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newbie0057:

I noticed that my cable's tv line up (channel 12 here) is called zap2it.

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quantum:

I don't think so, since it does queue up the show correctly, but then aborts

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quantum:

but worth a try I guess

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newbie0057:

actually the tv frequencies are owned by the people, rented to networks to provide content. In exchange they must provide public services such as election coverage

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quantum:

Channel(/dev/video0): SetInputAndFormat() failed

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quantum:

2006-12–11 18:29:52.267 TVRec(3) Error: Failed to set channel to 9. Reverting to kState_None

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quantum:

2006-12–11 18:29:52.267 TVRec(3): Changing from RecordingOnly to None

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quantum:

2006-12–11 18:29:52.274 Canceled recording (Recorder Failed): Seinfeld "The Wife": channel 1009 on cardid 3, sourceid 1

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quantum:

2006-12–11 18:29:55.298 Error deleting '/database/mythtv/recordings/1009_20061211183000.mpg': No such file or directory

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quantum:

any idea what all that junk means, it seems to happen for anything I try to schedule

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newbie0057:

can you browse to channel 9 manually ?

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quantum:

yes

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newbie0057:

I should tell you that I am a newbie, you probablly know much more about mythtv than me

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quantum:

no problem I am just frustrated, any help is a good thing

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newbie0057:

I suppose there is an internal command that mythtv uses to change the channel, perhaps this is incorrect

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newbie0057:

or did you check for firmware upgrades?

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quantum:

well I upgraded my kerenel and am still fighting to get stuff to work

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newbie0057:

the tv capture card might have a firmware upgrade

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quantum:

I wonder if this is wrong: ivtv0: loaded v4l-cx2341x-enc.fw firmware (262144 bytes)

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quantum:

nvidia: module license 'NVIDIA' taints kernel.

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quantum:

no idea what the heck that is

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newbie0057:

I can't help, it's over my head

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quantum:

what version of linux are you running

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GreyFoxx:

It's referring to the Nvidia drivers use of a binary blob which you don';t have the source too isntead of being opensourced I believe

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quantum:

is it a problem?

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quantum:

I don't think my issue is an NVIDIA issue, but who knows

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GreyFoxx:

It's not a problem, it's just to let people know

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quantum:

did you seem my messages about not being able to program the system to record

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GreyFoxx:

nope, and no time to look at it

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GreyFoxx:

heading to bed early tonight :)

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Inssomniak:

to run mythfillbackend does it run automagically or do I have to set up a cron job for it?

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Inssomniak:

s/mythfilldatabase

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quantum:

I set up a cron job, there is a feature in myth but I could never get it to work right, so I just do it with cron

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Inssomniak:

rgr.

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quantum:

ha I think I may have figured it out. I think it delted my pvr card and was just defaulting to a dumb video1 or something

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quantum:

maybe I am out of the woods

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newbie0057:

can you tell me how to open a port for mysql. I can't find the command ?

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quantum:

you mean to connect another system to a backend

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newbie0057:

no it's the same system

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quantum:

well on the same system I don't think you should have to, it shouldn't be blocked or anything normally, what are you trying to do

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newbie0057:

mythbackend gives me an error message QServerSocket: failed to bind or listen to the socket

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newbie0057:

Failed to bind port: 6543

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quantum:

is it running

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quantum:

is mythbackend and mysql running

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sandeen:

do you have to manually type in alsa devices in setup to use alsa drivers...?

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newbie0057:

um.. I don't know

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eramus:

im having issues using tvout on a pvr350 with FC6.. anyone available to give me a hand?

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newbie0057:

mysql is I think,, I can go to it see tables

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eramus:

seems to always seg fault when i change channels

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quantum:

newbie0057, try as root, service mythbackend status

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newbie0057:

mythbackend is not running

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quantum:

start it, service mythbackend start

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newbie0057:

I'm logged in as mythtv right now, I'll be back

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quantum:

just su into root

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eramus:

not using the pvr350s out and just using xv for tvout works better, but it kills my system resources

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quantum:

you don't have a video out on your video card

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eramus:

its coming through on my 350 even when i unclick 'use 350 tv out'

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eramus:

the 350 is my only tvout

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quantum:

wonder why xv is better

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eramus:

not sure.. i only say its better because it doesnt crash

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quantum:

ahh, that is a good thing

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eramus:

the quality on the 350 looks much better and my resources are much lower

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eramus:

but its just not stable

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eramus:

ive seen some mention of this on the net, but no resolutions.. i havent tried the svn version

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eramus:

are there any significant improvements since .20?

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quantum:

I have the 250 and it has been as solid as a rock

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eramus:

but it doesnt have tvout correct?

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quantum:

no I have an nvida card for video out and that rocks

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eramus:

argh

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eramus:

was hoping the 350 would get me past having to upgrade my main video card

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quantum:

maybe you can pick one up on ebay or something, not sure how much they go for these days

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noobie0057:

service mythbackend returned an error service is not recognized

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tracy_:

any1 know how to set my recording volume for an dvb card?

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eramus:

might have to be my solution

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tracy_:

service mythbackend status?

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quantum:

noobie0057, you were root when you ran the command

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tracy_:

this could get funny, blind leading the blind ;)

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quantum:

yeah, just format the sucker

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noobie0057:

yes

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noobie0057:

sorry sudo not root

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tracy_:

quantum: that is the reply for windows XP

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quantum:

ha yeah you are right

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quantum:

should of said rtm

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quantum:

rtfm

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quantum:

read the manual

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quantum:

that is the reply I always get on #linux

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eramus:

hah

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russK:

Any gotcha's upgrading a backend to mysql 5.0?

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quantum:

I want to upgrade to FC6 to try to fix my soundcard problem but it is such a pain in the butt to upgrade from FC4, since you have to basically start witha clean partition

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eramus:

yup

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eramus:

i upgraded to FC5 with yum and it didnt turn out very well

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quantum:

yeah takes about two weeks to rubild a sytem and get everything back working

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quantum:

just the way I want it

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eramus:

didnt trust it to get to FC6.. just went ahead and cleared everything

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tracy_:

russK: if i knew how to tell u what version i am on, i would tell u if there was any gotchas

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quantum:

mythtv -v ?

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quantum:

no question mary

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quantum:

mark

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tracy_:

mysql

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quantum:

yeah

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quantum:

I have version 4.1.16

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tracy_:

mysql Ver 14.12 Distrib 5.0.27, for redhat-linux-gnu (i686)

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quantum:

mysql -v

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tracy_:

mysql --version

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kormoc:

russK, I'm running mysql 5.1 just fine

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tracy_:

russK: i had no issues

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tracy_:

was runnin FC4 with 0.19

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quantum:

anybody try mythphone, it looks pretty cool

[04:05:01]

quantum:

wonder if I could send a composite video signal to it

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tracy_:

and then did an upgrade to fc5 and then to fc6 in a weekend, and then yum upgraded myth to 0.20

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russK:

tracy_: Thanks!

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eramus:

tracy: i have the same version and havent had any issues (besides my hardware issues)

[04:05:32]

Inssomniak:

how does EPG handle channels with the same number? I have video sources with the same channel number, but the EPG doesnt show them? is there a way to toggle video sources in EPG?

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blackflare:

hello

[04:06:06]

eramus:

tracy: not the answer you want to hear, but doing a clean install could help

[04:06:18]

tracy_:

Inssomniak: i had a hell of a time getting zap2it to populate my epg

[04:06:19]

eramus:

i had tons of issues upgrading from FC4 -> FC5

[04:06:34]

Inssomniak:

tracy_, my epg is full, the programs are there

[04:06:35]

eramus:

and didnt want them to carry over to FC6

[04:06:45]

tracy_:

eramus: other than a few little problems, my fc6 is running fine

[04:06:47]

Inssomniak:

but I have 2 channels with the same number on 2 different providers

[04:07:03]

tracy_:

ahh Inssomniak

[04:07:04]

Inssomniak:

like I have 2 channel 355's but the EPG only shows one of them

[04:07:07]

blackflare:

I just installed ubuntu for the first time... Im used to windows :x I have a winfast pvr tv2000 capture card... Im trying to setup this thing and I dont even know where to start, if anyone is bored could they help me?

[04:07:28]

kormoc:

blackflare, you might want to start with google and see if that card is supported

[04:07:55]

tracy_:

blackflare: i'm looking at one of those cards lying on the floor at the moment

[04:08:01]

blackflare:

haha

[04:08:05]

tracy_:

i'm about to jump on it

[04:08:11]

noobie0057:

blackflare, there is a wiki on it specifically for ubuntu

[04:08:18]

blackflare:

oh really, where?

[04:08:30]

quantum:

I am still ticked becasuse I missed recording 24 over the weekend since my system was down

[04:08:51]

blackflare:

I like it tracy. its served me well for like 2 years with windows anyway

[04:08:52]

quantum:

does anyone else have two sound cards?

[04:08:55]

tracy_:

Inssomniak: what i had to do is match up the xmltvid's

[04:09:08]

Inssomniak:

?

[04:09:13]

Inssomniak:

I have no idea what that means

[04:09:18]

quantum:

I can't get the volume control to work for my seconds sound card for some reason

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tracy_:

ok me neither, when i started

[04:09:31]

kormoc:

quantum, did you try passing in the card number?

[04:09:49]

tracy_:

use mythweb, go to settings and then to

[04:10:04]

quantum:

kormoc, how do you do that?, I tried selected dsp1 on the one screen that gave me sound but I can't adjust the volume

[04:10:13]

noobie0057:

http://parker1.co.uk/mythtv_ubuntu.php

[04:10:27]

Inssomniak:

how do you get tio mythweb anyways?

[04:10:35]

tracy_:

Inssomniak: mythtv channels info

[04:10:46]

quantum:

kormoc, I don't know if it a kerenel issue or something is just configured wrong somewhere

[04:11:07]

kormoc:

quantum, you need to select a mixer that is mapped to the second card, try /dev/mixer1 or /dev/snd/mixer1 or /dev/sound/mixer1

[04:11:40]

quantum:

even tried upgrading the kernel and that didn't solve it

[04:11:42]

Inssomniak:

how do you start mythweb?

[04:11:42]

tracy_:

Inssomniak: oh, cannot remember how i installed it, but if u on the machine, try browse to http://localhost/mythweb

[04:11:43]

tracy_:

see if it works

[04:11:44]

Inssomniak:

it doesnt

[04:12:10]

tracy_:

otherwise u may go into mythtvsetup and see if u can add the xmltvid in the channel editor

[04:12:43]

sandeen:

yeargh. now my prerecorded HD plays back OK but live HDTV is completely busted

[04:12:48]

** sandeen is never gonna make this work **

[04:13:00]

tracy_:

now to get the xmltvid from zap2it, u need to go to www.zap2it.com, not the labs site,

[04:13:31]

quantum:

kormoc, well looks like I just have /dev/mixer and /dev/mixer1

[04:13:59]

tracy_:

then look up your listing and hover over the channel that is wrong. in the url u will see the xmltvid after the "stnNum="

[04:15:47]

kormoc:

quantum, then /dev/mixer1 should be your second sound card

[04:16:26]

tracy_:

ok my question, my pvr150 has a volume setting, but my dvb does not. the volume on the dvb is too low, how do i fix that

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quantum:

kormoc, well I know if I set up dsp1 in myth I can hear sound, but think I have the mixer on dsp1 also and still doesn't let me ajust the volume. dsp and mixer work find or my other crapy sound card

[04:18:49]

tracy_:

the volume setting was in mythfrontend i think

[04:18:52]

kormoc:

tracy_, you can't. it gets the audio from the stream, it doesn't actually record it again

[04:18:56]

kormoc:

tracy_, you can set the volume myth playsback in mythfrontend

[04:18:58]

kormoc:

quantum, it could just be a non-supported card

[04:18:58]

tracy_:

oh, ok maybe that is y the one sounds louder than the other

[04:19:38]

Captain_Murdoch:

easiest thing to do is to lower your PVR-150's volume so that it matches the other if you can, so that you don't have to keep changing playback volume when you play different recordings.

[04:20:06]

tracy_:

kormoc: i was thinking in the mythfrontend recording profiles

[04:20:12]

quantum:

kormoc, well it is actually the SoundBlaster Audigy sound card, and as far as I can tell it is supported

[04:20:45]

quantum:

kormoc, I am not 100% sure I have all the alsa junk set up correctly for it though

[04:21:02]

quantum:

I was hoping it was something with that

[04:21:18]

tracy_:

Captain_Murdoch: ok i have dropped the recoring volume of the pvr150 down to 90%

[04:21:21]

kormoc:

well, most people don't try using dual sound cards

[04:21:54]

quantum:

kormoc, my problem is the one on the motherboard really suck I can't even stand listening to it there is all this high freq noise in it

[04:22:06]

kormoc:

quantum, why don't you just disable it then?

[04:22:16]

quantum:

kormoc, how

[04:22:36]

quantum:

is that a motherboard option

[04:22:38]

tracy_:

quantum: are u running software encoded cards with passthrough cables?

[04:22:41]

kormoc:

in your bios, there's 99.999% of the time an option to disable the onboard (or ac97) device

[04:23:10]

kormoc:

quantum, if you do that, it saves a world of hurt :P

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tracy_:

yip i do that, switch off onboard and use a SB live

[04:23:59]

quantum:

that sounds promising, I think on a older version of Fedora I had both working, so I am pretty sure it should work on less the drive has been broken since then

[04:24:26]

quantum:

maybe the borked up the driver along the way

[04:24:48]

sandeen:

anyone have any suggestions here... if I try to watch live digital tv, audio is completely foo, spewing things like

[04:24:49]

sandeen:

2006-12–11 22:23:05.694 WriteAudio: buffer underrun

[04:25:03]

sandeen:

but then if I go just point mythtv at the file it just left on teh drive when I tried that test, it works fine

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quantum:

what is the passthrough output device under the audio section mean

[04:26:17]

sandeen:

to pass encoded audio to your receiver, i.e. dolby digital and the like

[04:26:19]

quantum:

I only have one choice under that

[04:26:30]

|Torg|:

DTS or AC3

[04:26:35]

quantum:

wonder if I should have one for each sound card

[04:26:41]

tracy_:

what is the key to switch tuner again?

[04:26:47]

|Torg|:

C

[04:26:48]

sandeen:

tracy_, Y

[04:26:49]

sandeen:

oh :)

[04:27:02]

noobie0057:

I can get mythbackend to work, I keep getting

[04:27:02]

noobie0057:

QMYSQL3: Unable to connect

[04:27:03]

noobie0057:

Database error was:

[04:27:03]

noobie0057:

Access denied for user 'mythtv'@'localhost' (using password: YES)

[04:27:32]

tracy_:

sandeen: 1 |Torg|: 0 ;)

[04:27:35]

noobie0057:

the user exsists, has access to everything, and the passwords match the mysql.txt file

[04:27:36]

tracy_:

thanks

[04:27:41]

kormoc:

noobie0057, well, given you can get it working, guess you're good to go

[04:28:01]

noobie0057:

sorry "can't"

[04:28:03]

** sandeen thinks C changes inputs on the current card? **

[04:28:16]

kormoc:

noobie0057, well, you sure there isn't more then one mysql.txt?

[04:28:19]

|Torg|:

- C Change inputs on current capture card

[04:28:25]

** sandeen does a little dance **

[04:28:55]

|Torg|:

he asked how to switch tuners, not how to switch cards :P

[04:28:55]

noobie0057:

kormoc,, I found 2

[04:29:04]

sandeen:

|Torg|, ok ok :)

[04:29:13]

tracy_:

ok my bad, i think of a tuner as a card

[04:29:15]

sandeen:

for those lucky folks with pvr-500s I guess you were right :)

[04:29:17]

|Torg|:

besides I use N anyway

[04:29:26]

kormoc:

noobie0057, you might want to double check (with find or update locate and use locate) and make sure they're all correct

[04:29:34]

tracy_:

naa, i have a pvr 150 and a HD card

[04:29:36]

kormoc:

noobie0057, as well as make sure mysql is running

[04:30:03]

|Torg|:

but mostly I never watch live tv, it oftens stutters which pisses me off becase there is no damn reason it should

[04:30:35]

sandeen:

|Torg|, if you say that then maybe I should just give up :/

[04:30:38]

noobie0057:

kormoc, how can I tell if mysql is running?

[04:30:51]

kormoc:

noobie0057, ps ax | grep mysqld | grep -v grep

[04:30:59]

|Torg|:

sandeen I have suspect its the setup

[04:31:08]

** sandeen is ready to wipe myth and start over **

[04:31:16]

kormoc:

noddan, if you see a bunch of lines outputted mysql is likely running

[04:31:18]

|Torg|:

really strange thing it HDTV works flawlessly, SD tv, well every 5 mins or so it pauses nad ocntinues

[04:31:22]

kormoc:

erm, sorry, that was to noobie0057

[04:31:29]

|Torg|:

its not "high" on my list to change tho

[04:31:55]

noobie0057:

kormoc, yes 3 lines all say mysql

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fiveiron:

anyone using an IR blaster?

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|Torg|:

and sandeen we all dop stupid things, today I upgraded my sql server and failed to rember myth was using it :)

[04:32:27]

kormoc:

noobie0057, ok, so very likely it is running, you can try logging in via the command line and see if it works

[04:32:38]

|Torg|:

I dont think myth liked it too much when I ripped out the DB

[04:32:45]

kormoc:

noobie0057, mysql -u mythtv -p mythconverg -h localhost

[04:32:54]

kormoc:

noobie0057, and then type in your password when prompted

[04:33:28]

|Torg|:

should the database name go at the end?

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tracy_:

kormoc: do u run any HD?

[04:33:43]

kormoc:

erm yeah

[04:33:47]

|Torg|:

mysql -u user -p -h host database?

[04:33:52]

kormoc:

noobie0057, mysql -u mythtv -p -h localhost mythconverg

[04:33:55]

kormoc:

|Torg|, nice catch

[04:34:00]

kormoc:

tracy_, not really

[04:34:00]

|Torg|:

it really mkes no differenrt, but esthetics

[04:34:11]

noobie0057:

kormoc, thanks I could log in successfully

[04:34:27]

kormoc:

|Torg|, yeah, but it's the convention :P

[04:34:37]

kormoc:

noobie0057, hrm. and the backend is running on the same machine?

[04:34:52]

** sandeen thinks sound is the key to all his woes **

[04:34:59]

|Torg|:

do you have the qt_mysql libs?

[04:34:59]

tracy_:

i'm now comaring the 2 tuners i have, and i think the HD is not worth the trouble (computer upgrade needed)

[04:35:05]

sandeen:

when I screw up the audio output device video is beautiful

[04:35:19]

kormoc:

|Torg|, he would, else he'd get a missing qt_mysql3 error or similar

[04:35:22]

|Torg|:

tracy_ HD is DEFINALY worht the troubble, thats my opnion tho

[04:35:50]

sandeen:

I read that the asoundrc isn't really needed for modern alsa.... is that correct?

[04:35:52]

|Torg|:

no kormoc wihtout them hell just get cant connect to database

[04:35:59]

noobie0057:

kormoc, I found 2 more files called mythtv.txt,, that seemed to be the problem,, thanks

[04:36:14]

|Torg|:

FALSE sandeen

[04:36:19]

** sandeen curses the wiki **

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tracy_:

i love my dvr on my hdtv, but when it comes to my myth box, i think i am going to stick to pvr150's

[04:36:45]

|Torg|:

in fact sandeen I couldnt ever get my spdif out to work right UNTILL I created my own alsa conf

[04:37:01]

sandeen:

I had it going... though myth was still using /dev/dsp

[04:37:03]

tracy_:

i also cannot see a difference once i have run a nuvexport from the SD and HD recordings, they both look terrible

[04:37:10]

sandeen:

and I think that's probably less efficient than using alsa directly

[04:37:21]

sandeen:

... but I haven't been able to make that work yet

[04:37:46]

sandeen:

|Torg|, so how did you get it set up, w/ the sample from the wiki? read 10000 pages of alsa docs? :)

[04:37:58]

|Torg|:

tracy_ you shoudlnt need to transcode HD its mpeg2 already

[04:38:10]

|Torg|:

aplay -l and -L

[04:38:22]

|Torg|:

mapped a default to a speifca hardware port

[04:38:31]

tracy_:

|Torg|: either keep it as Xvid, or i have to buy more disk space

[04:38:57]

|Torg|:

well if you transcode it tracy_ by defenition you are loosing quality

[04:39:08]

sandeen:

tracy_, disks are cheap :)

[04:39:18]

** sandeen hands tracy_ a $80 300G drive **

[04:39:21]

|Torg|:

sandeen do a aply -l and pastebin what it tells you

[04:39:29]

tracy_:

but i keep whole series to watch during the summer

[04:39:30]

|Torg|:

sandeen Ill take 4 of those :)

[04:39:34]

noobie0057:

mythbackend seems to work now, but on the front end I get some error messages and snow.. I'm looking though the error messages now

[04:39:46]

|Torg|:

tracy_ its called mytharchive and blank dvds

[04:39:56]

sandeen:

bless you, |Torg| :)

[04:40:14]

|Torg|:

thanks sandeen , what did it do now :P

[04:40:22]

kormoc:

noobie0057, did you run mythtv-setup and seutp your capture card and all that jazz?

[04:40:22]

tracy_:

|Torg|: does mytharchive keep 5.1 sound? i just have not tried

[04:40:27]

sandeen:

hehe just thank you for the offer to look

[04:40:32]

|Torg|:

yes as AC3 passthough

[04:40:39]

sandeen:

now if pastebin would go faster... what box do I check there :D

[04:40:49]

kormoc:

sandeen, none usually works fine

[04:41:03]

|Torg|:

well sandeen you can do it yourself, depends on the card, and what that told you

[04:41:04]

noobie0057:

kormoc, yes, but I never really knew if I selected the right type of card,, would the wrong type cause snow?

[04:41:11]

|Torg|:

it should hav listed all the dsp outputs to your card

[04:41:25]

kormoc:

noobie0057, it could, aye

[04:41:30]

sandeen:

|Torg|, http://sandeen.net/paste/aplay_l

[04:41:37]

|Torg|:

mine for example are even nicly labeld :)

[04:41:48]

noobie0057:

I get an error message

[04:41:48]

noobie0057:

2006-12–11 06:39:36.979 ReadStringList timeout (quick).

[04:41:48]

noobie0057:

Remote encoder not responding.

[04:41:48]

noobie0057:

2006-12–11 06:39:36.979 WriteStringList: Bad socket

[04:41:49]

noobie0057:

2006-12–11 06:39:36.980 ReadStringList: Bad socket

[04:41:49]

noobie0057:

Remote encoder not responding.

[04:41:51]

noobie0057:

X Error: XvBadPort 150

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kormoc:

noobie0057, it thinks the card is remote... is that the case?

[04:42:14]

|Torg|:

sandeen holdon im gona paste a fiel to you, copy it EXACTLY

[04:42:19]

|Torg|:

you have the same card as me

[04:42:26]

sandeen:

woo :)

[04:42:55]

sandeen:

|Torg|, you could also mail to <mynick> at <mynick> dot net

[04:43:10]

sandeen:

whatever suits you

[04:43:17]

noobie0057:

kormoc, sorry I don't know what that means "remote" ? I have two cards installed, it is setup for 1 as mpeg (which might be correct)

[04:43:24]

|Torg|:

ok np, what do you connect output wise to the card?

[04:43:36]

sandeen:

spdif

[04:43:40]

sandeen:

toslink

[04:43:43]

kormoc:

noobie0057, remote means in a different computer

[04:44:19]

noobie0057:

kormoc, I thought you meant that, this is all local – 1 computer, I was logged in as root

[04:44:38]

|Torg|:

http://pastebin.ca/276288

[04:44:50]

kormoc:

noobie0057, did you change your hostname by chance?

[04:45:03]

noobie0057:

kormoc: no it is localhost

[04:45:18]

|Torg|:

sandeen once you put that into place open alsamixer and I can tell you what to mute and what to unmute

[04:45:23]

kormoc:

noobie0057, it thinks something is remote, donno why, but it shouldn't

[04:45:38]

|Torg|:

sandeen that or you can go though my mixer settings 1 by 1 :)

[04:45:41]

sandeen:

|Torg|, FWIW I do have spdif out working, but via /dev/dsp I guess...

[04:45:47]

sandeen:

|Torg|, ok so um... what is "in place?"

[04:45:51]

noobie0057:

kormoc: is this a setting in mythtv-setup ?

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sandeen:

/etc/asoundrc? /etc/asound.conf?

[04:45:57]

|Torg|:

yes same here sandeen

[04:46:02]

|Torg|:

thats /etc/asound.conf

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kormoc:

noobie0057, sorta. it should autodetect it tis all

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sandeen:

|Torg|, so you tell myth to play via /dev/dsp?

[04:46:40]

|Torg|:

how big a file can I attach to your email?

[04:46:46]

|Torg|:

yes I tell it to use /dev/dsp

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noobie0057:

kormoc: I'll run it again and try various stuff,, thanks for your help

[04:46:50]

sandeen:

me? eh pretty big.

[04:47:04]

kormoc:

noobie0057, you might want to delete the database and try fresh

[04:47:07]

sandeen:

|Torg|, hmm I -think- that that uses the oss emulation not alsa directly....

[04:47:42]

sandeen:

which is what I was trying to achieve :)

[04:47:43]

noobie0057:

kormoc: I wanted to do that before, I ran the mythfilldatabase but quit as it took tooo long. How can I do that?

[04:47:54]

|Torg|:

ok im emailing you an avi, put it in your audio directly, passthough AC3 and it should see if everything is set correctly

[04:48:11]

|Torg|:

sandeen I use what works :)

[04:48:21]

kormoc:

noobie0057, log into the db, run 'DROP DATABASE mythconverg;'

[04:48:21]

sandeen:

|Torg|, FWIW I -can- make DTS & AC3 pass through just fine w/ my current setup.... so maybe I'm chasing my tail here w/ your setup :)

[04:48:24]

|Torg|:

and alsa works fine, for mplayer, mpg123 etc

[04:48:35]

kormoc:

noobie0057, and then start again with the mysql -u root -p < mc.sql step

[04:48:53]

noobie0057:

kormoc, ok thanks

[04:48:58]

|Torg|:

the setup I have is speciflcy so I can play mp3's. They come out as wav files and need to be digialty mixes

[04:49:06]

kormoc:

noobie0057, you're welcome

[04:49:09]

kormoc:

and with that, I'm out

[04:49:11]

kormoc:

laters

[04:49:11]

|Torg|:

otherwise all Ic an do is watch DVDs and some but not all ATSC

[04:49:29]

sandeen:

|Torg|, while I appreciate all the help I think that i've already gotten this far :)

[04:49:39]

|Torg|:

ok sandeen sorry I coudlnt help you further

[04:49:52]

|Torg|:

why do you want to ignore oss?

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sandeen:

because straight alsa should be more efficient, at least by my understanding, and I'm trying to get my box to play HD reliably....

[04:50:37]

|Torg|:

I play HD relaible 100%

[04:50:51]

|Torg|:

pisses me off too becase its the SD I have issues with :P

[04:51:06]

sandeen:

|Torg|, what's your cpu again?

[04:51:06]

|Torg|:

what issue do you have?

[04:51:16]

|Torg|:

an intel dual core 3ghz

[04:51:23]

sandeen:

well -today- I can't play jack. :/ but when it works it's borderline

[04:51:25]

|Torg|:

I use XvMC and do not deinterlace

[04:51:44]

sandeen:

well. I've got to get to bed... will fight with this more tomorrow if I can find the will :)

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|Torg|:

HDTV takes 40–60% of one core for mythefrontend, and 10–40% of the other for X

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sandeen:

i just have a 2.6 P4

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|Torg|:

it shuld be plenty

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|Torg|:

P$ dual core? or single

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|Torg|:

err P4

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sandeen:

single

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|Torg|:

what do you display on?

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sandeen:

SVIDEO for now

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|Torg|:

OUCH!

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sandeen:

if I could make HD work I'd go get an HDTV :)

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|Torg|:

well you cant get it to work over that, I assue you

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sandeen:

svideo?

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sandeen:

it -has- mostly worked at one point :)

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|Torg|:

svido dsont do HDTV

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sandeen:

well

[04:54:19]

sandeen:

ok so no I don't have the actual resolution :) but you can display it, the card scales it

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tracy_:

sandeen: i have p4 2.4 and i think i have problems trying HD

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sandeen:

and it looks way better than analog

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|Torg|:

truthfully I have never even atempterd to connect the svido, I could if yuou want me to test tho

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tracy_:

playing back on monitor

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sandeen:

eh

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sandeen:

if it weren't for my channel setups I'd just drop the database & start over , more methodically this time :)

[04:54:59]

** sandeen may still do that **

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|Torg|:

*IF* you are plaing 720 or 1080 outputs to a monitor your X knows is not, X has to reslace it

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|Torg|:

that takes CPU, allot

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sandeen:

hmm

[04:55:20]

sandeen:

maybe that's it

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sandeen:

I thought the card could do that pretty cheaply

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tracy_:

|Torg|: i get like tearing all the time

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|Torg|:

umm mysqldump mythconverg > mythconverg.sql

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|Torg|:

grep channel mythcongerv.sql > channel.sql

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|Torg|:

drop database

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|Torg|:

mysql mythconverg < channel.sql

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|Torg|:

voila, ol channes back :)

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sandeen:

you're the man :)

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|Torg|:

mysqldump, remeber it

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|Torg|:

do it, every night, be paranoid twice a day

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sandeen:

heh

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|Torg|:

and dont dump it to the same drive root is on, especllay not the one the database runs off of :P

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sandeen:

yeah and when I get it working, put it on teh equivalent of the discovery spaceship & send it off somewhere safe eh :)

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|Torg|:

you can always send it to me, I can use anthter linux box

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|Torg|:

oops, everyone say something before my wife sees that :P

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** sandeen has enough linux boxes in the basement to build a fort for his kids **

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sandeen:

a dangerous, heavy fort

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sandeen:

with sharp corners and nasty heavy metals

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|Torg|:

I have 12 runing comptuers, that make so much heat I STILL havint turned on teh heater

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sandeen:

hah

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eramus:

hah

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sandeen:

now that's insane

[04:58:35]

|Torg|:

ive gotten the "not another damn comptuer" speach more times then I care to count

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sandeen:

I do linux for a living and I only have 2 running (not counting the tivo)

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|Torg|:

well some are sun boxes, some windows

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|Torg|:

its those sun boxes that are space heaters

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feld:

so i've been running mythtv on mysql 4.1x for ages. I remember the debacle I got into when I tried upgrading to 5 when it was unsupported. Is there a compelling reason for my to upgrade mysql to v5 for mythtv?

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sandeen:

I left the sun & sgi boxes in the office when I left sgi. decided I had enough crap

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|Torg|:

no feld in fact youc an run it off 3

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|Torg|:

hell I have a crimson and two barney boxes in the closet :)

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feld:

i'll continue to leave it on 4.1.x then

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k-man_:

is there any gotcha's if one does want to upgrade to mysql 5?

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feld:

k-man_: it's mysql, of course there's a gotcha ;_

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feld:

:)

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k-man_:

feld, good point :)

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|Torg|:

just remeber to upgrade your qt and php libs

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Snoopy:

Hi everyone.... I'm unable to emerge mythtv with the following errors:

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Snoopy:

collect2: ld returned 1 exit status^M

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Snoopy:

make[2]: *** [mythfrontend] Error 1^M

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|Torg|:

mysql is easy, very easy

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sandeen:

Snoopy, that's not much of an error.

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Snoopy:

I'm not sure how to go about troubleshooting that further.

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feld:

just backup your DB... upgrade your libs.. wipe mysql, put the new one on, and pray it takes your backed up DB cleanly

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sandeen:

Snoopy, to start with, read the lines above what you pasted

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Snoopy:

Sandeen: I know... is thee a way to enable a more verbose output?

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sandeen:

|Torg|, thanks again, later.

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|Torg|:

well Snoopy that erro means that something tried to create a library and fialed, its the errors ABOVE that are signicficatn

[05:02:11]

Snoopy:

../../libs/libmythtv/libmythtv-0.19.so: undefined reference to `glXGetVideoSyncSGI'^M

[05:02:13]

Snoopy:

../../libs/libmythtv/libmythtv-0.19.so: undefined reference to `glXWaitVideoSyncSGI'^M

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Snoopy:

???

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|Torg|:

feld you should back up your database anyway

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|Torg|:

do it "just because"

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Dale:

w00t, got it working ^_^

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Dale:

mysqlcheck-r mythconverg did the trick

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|Torg|:

yes Snoopy your missing the glx libs

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feld:

|Torg|: well yes, of course, everyone should backup their stuff regularly. it's just something you do.

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Snoopy:

Is that something that I should add to portage?

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Snoopy:

Or would these be part of OpenGL?

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|Torg|:

I dunno Snoopy I dont emer4ge or port anything

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|Torg|:

I compile it from svn

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|Torg|:

not to mention 0.19 is ol

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Snoopy:

Thanks Torg.... You have pointed me in a direction.... This channel is awesome.. thx!

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|Torg|:

anyways Im off to bed, take care

[05:06:43]

|Torg|:

and yes glx is opengl

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Dale:

anyone know if there's a sample sound or something I can play in Knoppmyth to see if the sound distortion is due to input or output of the soundcard?

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noobie0057:

when I run mythfrontend, how can I change to television1 from composite1 ?

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sbrath:

Anyone know a reason why mythtvsetup only finds channel 1–13 on my PVR-150 ?

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Dr_willis:

Just got me a 150, getttin it set up.. still not quiet got it.

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Ediehow:

anyone using paint engine opengl?

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Ediehow:

hi xris

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xris:

evening

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Ediehow:

do you use paint engine opengl?

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Ediehow:

how can i find out the max resolution my dishnetwork stb outputs, so i can know not to record above that?

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sivik:

Ediehow, isn't this a channel for mythtv?

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Ediehow:

sivik: what are you talking about? it's an option in mythfrontend

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xris:

Ediehow: it's analog, right?

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sivik:

about engine opengl paint thingy

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Ediehow:

sivik: yeah, it's a mythfrontend option

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sivik:

i still can't get my volume to work in tvtime

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xris:

sivik: that's mythtv

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sivik:

xris, oh, sorry

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Ediehow:

xris: umm, is it analog? i thought satellite was digital

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Ediehow:

it's hooked into rca jacks in my wintv 150mce

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xris:

Ediehow: composite video (rca plug) is analog

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Ediehow:

ok

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xris:

which means the max res is 480 vertical lines

[05:28:17]

Ediehow:

what's the horiz?

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xris:

analog doesn't work that way

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Ediehow:

i mean, is 720x480 just wasting disk space?

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xris:

possibly

[05:28:41]

Ediehow:

what should i set it at, then?

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xris:

honestly, whatever looks best.

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sivik:

what else can i try to get the audio to work in tvtime

[05:29:19]

sivik:

i tried using alsamixergui

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Ediehow:

i mean, i was wondering if the hardware can even handle that resolution

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xris:

sivik: you got the patch cable hooked up, set the correct input for "record"?

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xris:

Ediehow: analog doesn't work with horizontal like that.

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sivik:

yes, i have three thingys, the input, microphone and out

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sivik:

its needs to be in the input right

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xris:

chances are the digital stream is like what I get from comcast... widths ranging from 328 to 544

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Ediehow:

xris: but the higher the horizontal, the more space it uses on disk, right

[05:30:29]

xris:

sivik: mic might work

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sivik:

ok, i will try that

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xris:

Ediehow: no. space on disk is entirely related to the bitrate you choose.

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xris:

higher res means more pixels to spread that bitrate between.

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Ediehow:

oh ok

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xris:

so 100kbps will always be 100kbps, but 320x240 100kbps will probably look nicer than 4000x3000 at 100kbps

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Ediehow:

oh ok

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xris:

it's just a matter of finding a balance

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Ediehow:

hmm

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Ediehow:

that's another question

[05:32:09]

Ediehow:

i am trying to find out the max quality for "high quality"

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Ediehow:

i don't know what bitrate is max

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xris:

the quality slider is "lower is better"

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xris:

if you set the bitrate to around 2000, with max at 0 and min at 1, you'll get files about 7000kbps in size

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xris:

(my old settings were something like that)

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Ediehow:

man, who designed paint engine opengl?

[05:33:49]

Ediehow:

once you hit a button you can't even tell what you are doing

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xris:

Ediehow: huh?

[05:34:06]

Ediehow:

do you use opengl paint engine?

[05:34:13]

xris:

if you have acceleration enabled, the transitions take like half a second

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Ediehow:

no, it's not that

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Ediehow:

it's like, if you have 5 menu options

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Ediehow:

and you hit down once, the entire screen is taken up by a picture of the menu item you are on

[05:34:45]

Ediehow:

but there is no text

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xris:

Ediehow: doesn't look like that for me.

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xris:

sounds like you have a messed up theme or something

[05:35:11]

Ediehow:

i've tried two themes with opengl

[05:35:32]

Ediehow:

yeah, basically, the text disappears on each menu page once i hit up or down

[05:35:55]

xris:

yeah, means your themes need to be updated

[05:36:03]

Ediehow:

as in, they are old?

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xris:

it's a glitch with how the background image is defined in the theme xml

[05:36:19]

xris:

I remember having issues with a couple of themes that way

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Ediehow:

ok

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Ediehow:

i will switch themes

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Ediehow:

thx sir

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Ediehow:

ok, so i was wondering about the bitrate

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Ediehow:

i have pvr 150mce

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Ediehow:

what is the max bitrate i can do? i mean, i assume if i do over the max, it's just wasting space

[05:37:28]

Ediehow:

the quality of the video is no greater, right?

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xris:

pretty much.

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sivik:

ok, this is weird, in kmix i have two different audio devices, my nvidia onboard and the audio capture

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Ediehow:

man:(

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xris:

but it's really a matter of preference.

[05:37:46]

Ediehow:

it's doing the same thing for this theme, too:(

[05:37:54]

Ediehow:

well, a friend likes me to record things for him

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xris:

Ediehow: just mess around in livetv until you get something that looks good.

[05:37:57]

Ediehow:

and i put them on dvd

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Ediehow:

but he was saying he'd prefer max quality and i could just delete the file afterward

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xris:

Ediehow: don't talk about that here

[05:38:18]

Ediehow:

?

[05:38:25]

Ediehow:

i'm talking about sporting events

[05:38:38]

Ediehow:

and using mytharchive

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Ediehow:

it seems all the themes i choose screw up on opengl:(

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sivik:

what am i doing wrong?

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Ediehow:

do you have analog, xris?

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xris:

Ediehow: all broadcast tv is copyrighted, we don't talk about sharing it here because it's illegal in the US.

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xris:

and no, I have a firewire connection to my cable box.

[05:40:48]

Ediehow:

ok, i just chose mythcenter, and it's the same thing as far as the menu text disappearing:(

[05:40:55]

Ediehow:

xris: ok about broadcasting

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sivik:

xris: what else can i try to get the audio working?

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xris:

sivik: I think you're at a point where you're going to have to poke around with things to find the correct input. I recommend that you plug that patch cable into something like a cd player so you can get a constant stream of sound. Then play with inputs and settings until you hear sound coming out of your computer.

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sivik:

ok

[05:41:55]

xris:

sivik: you should also make sure that you have *output* sound enabled.. play an mp3 or something.

[05:42:01]

sivik:

ok

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Ediehow:

xris: what theme are you using with opengl paint?

[05:43:56]

xris:

project greyham and blue both work fine

[05:44:07]

xris:

make sure you've upgraded your themes when you upgraded mythtv, too.

[05:44:33]

Ediehow:

mythtv-theme-ProjectGrayhem-1.7–2.at

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Ediehow:

every theme seems to do this for me:(

[05:44:49]

Ediehow:

all you see is the background after you move around

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xris:

Ediehow: grab the latest tarball from Juski

[05:45:21]

xris:

or just turn off the GL painter

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Ediehow:

you mean latest tarball for the theme or entire myth?

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Ediehow:

i ask because i always get the mythtv suite from yum

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xris:

theme

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xris:

mythtv-suite is gone, too. pretty sure he just renamed it to mythtv. though maybe that's only fc6

[05:47:47]

Ediehow:

ok, so i will get latest projectgrayhem

[05:47:49]

Ediehow:

hmm

[05:47:53]

Ediehow:

the themes don't have to be compiled, do they?

[05:49:17]

xris:

nope, just untar

[05:49:20]

Ediehow:

hmm

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sivik:

kmix

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Ediehow:

i mean, assuming the themes are not completely separate, i must have the latest of SOME theme

[05:50:17]

Ediehow:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Category:Themes

[05:50:22]

Ediehow:

would any of those be new enough?

[05:50:38]

Ediehow:

such as midnightcode?

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sivik:

sweet, now i have sound

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xris:

sivik: what about sound in?

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xris:

Ediehow: no clue, sorry

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sivik:

xris, i'm listening to sound from the tv

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Ediehow:

http://lifeisnostorybook.com/node/143

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Ediehow:

looks old:(

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xris:

sivik: ok, now you need to *mute* that input, but make sure that it's still marked to record.

[05:52:16]

Ediehow:

http://www.mythtv.org/modules.php?name=Downlo . . . ad&cid=1

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Ediehow:

xris, the theme package from there?

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sivik:

xris: how do i check that

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xris:

sivik: should be a checkbox for it in whatever mixer interface you're using.

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xris:

Ediehow: that would be the same one axel's using.

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sivik:

ok, in kmix, there is a green and red led thats on for line in

[05:54:05]

sivik:

which one is for record and which one is for audio

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xris:

ok, so you want record turned on, and audio off.

[05:54:29]

sivik:

ok, is one capture and the other is the line?

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xris:

not sure.

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sivik:

well, in kmix, i have the option for the audio capture for the tv card and the other is my nvidia onboard sound

[05:55:19]

xris:

I just know that in order for things to work properly, you want to mark the proper input to record via, and that it has to be muted or it will ALWAYS play through the speaker.

[05:55:50]

xris:

sivik: not sure, there. sounds like one of them is btaudio (in the tuner card), and you could use that if it works.

[05:55:59]

sivik:

how do i tell if that works?

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xris:

if you hear sound when you unmute it.. like you just said it worked.

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sivik:

ok

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sivik:

now how do i get this to work in mythtv so i can record shit

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xris:

set up your card, listings source, etc in mythtv-setup

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sivik:

ok, did that

[05:59:43]

sivik:

but i'm not sure how to set the video sources

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Dr_willis:

Heh – trying to get a MythTV box going also. :) got a Haugpage 150 card (it was on sale) not sure if it is seeing the card correctly however. The initial setup i dont think saw it.

[06:00:22]

sivik:

do you see it on lspci as a broodtree device?

[06:00:25]

Dr_willis:

Not sure if i missed somthing or if somthing isent working right. double checking everything now.

[06:00:39]

mperkinsWin___:

I was on here about a week ago and talking about how to tune in comcast digital with MythTV.

[06:00:43]

xris:

sivik: did you read the section in the docs about zap2it?

[06:00:51]

sivik:

i guess not

[06:01:01]

sivik:

how do you change the input in tvtime

[06:01:02]

xris:

Dr_willis: you need to make sure the firmware files are properly installed

[06:01:08]

xris:

sivik: no clue

[06:01:16]

Dr_willis:

firmware files? hmm ok thats a new one...

[06:01:18]

xris:

mperkinsWin___: and... ?

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xris:

Dr_willis: something about the pvr-x50 stuff. driver loads firmware files. you can get them from hauppauge, or from the cd that came with it, or some apt/yum repositories have them.

[06:02:59]

Dr_willis:

xris, ahhh.. Using knoppmyth at the moment. :) guess i will check the faq. thanks for the tip.

[06:03:27]

xris:

Dr_willis: hmm, though knopmyth did that for you.

[06:03:34]

Ediehow:

uhh

[06:03:38]

Ediehow:

projectgrayhelm is not in that file

[06:03:45]

Dr_willis:

lspci is showing a Internetxt crompression Inc itvc16 mpeg-2-encoder

[06:03:59]

Dr_willis:

xris, it may. Its possible i just missconfigured somthing.

[06:04:16]

mperkins:

I'm in the denver area and someone here said that the firewire interface should work.

[06:04:29]

sivik:

i tried to scan in mythtv-setup but it says "failure to open card"

[06:04:31]

Dr_willis:

guess i could start from scratch and rerun the initial mythtv setup script.

[06:04:44]

mperkins:

I talked to comcast and they said that the firewire interface of the Moto box is not enabled.

[06:05:24]

xris:

mperkins: then you have to politely remind them that the FCC requires that it be enabled.

[06:05:32]

sivik:

now i have to figure out how to set up mythbackend

[06:05:34]

Ediehow:

xris: no go

[06:05:39]

xris:

a google search on the subject should pull up the actual legislation

[06:05:39]

Ediehow:

i just tried a new theme and it has the same problem

[06:05:49]

Ediehow:

:(

[06:06:08]

xris:

sivik: you don't want to scan, you want to set up a zap2it listing.

[06:06:08]

mperkins:

Anyone know of a requirement for cable providers to give access to firewire.

[06:06:14]

sivik:

ok

[06:06:24]

xris:

mperkins: I just told you to google

[06:06:32]

xris:

Ediehow: not sure what to say.

[06:06:38]

xris:

why not just turn it off?

[06:06:54]

Ediehow:

well, i like the feature, and it seems that something is broken:(

[06:06:59]

Dr_willis:

heh – trying to find in the menus where to set the tuner. :) 'watchtv' just returns to the menu. No tv for me yet.

[06:07:00]

mperkins:

xris: I guess I type slow.

[06:07:06]

Dr_willis:

I know i saw it earlier.

[06:07:15]

mperkins:

xris: I will try to find the article.

[06:08:11]

xris:

Dr_willis: mythtv-setup

[06:08:23]

xris:

Ediehow: it is, but I think it's somewhere on your end.

[06:08:57]

Ediehow:

xris: well, i am running mythfrontend from console, and it doesn't show anything in output:O

[06:09:08]

xris:

mperkins: the law basically states that they are required to provide (over firewire) SD versions of channels that you can normally get HD over the air.

[06:09:16]

xris:

since that's extremely difficult, they just put the HD ones out.

[06:09:30]

xris:

*some* franchises also provide access to the digital cable channels, too.

[06:09:51]

xris:

should add, that's to "paying HD customers"

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mperkins:

xris: Can the firewire interface be used to control the STB as well?

[06:10:29]

xris:

mperkins: on the motorola 62xx series boxes, yes.

[06:10:32]

xris:

dunno about others

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sivik:

ok, i did the zap2it thingy

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mperkins:

xris: I will check my STB model.

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xris:

sivik: and configured your channel lineup at labs.zap2it.com?

[06:11:21]

sivik:

yes

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sivik:

Zap2it Labs Lineups

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mperkins:

xris: Oh, BTW, are the satellite providers any better?

[06:11:47]

xris:

sivik: ok, now import that into mythtv-setup

[06:11:55]

xris:

mperkins: far worse. no FCC law for them.

[06:12:03]

sivik:

how do i import it?

[06:12:19]

xris:

sivik: I think it's called input sources

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sivik:

ok

[06:12:27]

** xris grumbles, should be called LISTING sources. **

[06:12:32]

sivik:

video souces?

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mperkins:

xris: Thanks for the info. I guess I won't be switching to sat tv any time soon.

[06:12:49]

xris:

mperkins: yeah, it's stupid. no legal way to just record it directly, either.

[06:13:22]

sivik:

xris: is it video sources?

[06:13:28]

xris:

sivik: that might be

[06:13:37]

xris:

haven't configured it in so long

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mperkins:

xris: I did hear that some tuner comanies out there are coming out (when???) with cable compatible tuners for the PC.

[06:15:26]

sivik:

xris: thats it

[06:15:31]

xris:

mperkins: yes, but you'll never be able to buy one since the cablecard stuff only works for an "approved" system, which a pci card won't be.

[06:15:38]

sivik:

xris: is it set up right now?

[06:15:46]

xris:

sivik: once you get that done, you need to attach that to your card.

[06:16:04]

sivik:

attach what to my card?

[06:16:07]

sivik:

thats channel listing

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mperkins:

xris: Then what's the point of having the cards at all?

[06:16:33]

sivik:

i have something for direct data lineup

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xris:

mperkins: so companies like tivo can hook into the cable lines

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xris:

sivik: go into "capture cards" and make sure your card is there

[06:17:29]

xris:

then go into "input connections" and hook the video source (zap2it) to the correct input on your card.

[06:17:30]

sivik:

already added it there

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sivik:

ok

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mperkins:

xris: Doesn't Tivo run linux? And hasn't it (tivo) been hacked to gain control of the box?

[06:19:03]

xris:

mperkins: yes, and sort of.. I think.

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sivik:

it told me that i can't write the mythtv-backend thingy to that folder, it says to run /etc/cron.daily/mythtv-backend as root and i do that and it says: QSqlQuery::exec: database not open

[06:19:32]

sivik:

QSqlQuery::exec: database not open

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sivik:

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xris:

just saying, that's going to be the only thing allowed.. big hefty NDA to the developers of the hardware, and it'll only be legit for companies that sell "whole" hardware solutions.

[06:20:19]

xris:

hopefully microsoft will have enough clout with MCE to get them to allow PCI cards, too, but as it stands now, not even they can get in. only if you buy an MCE-enabled all-in-one kind of box that meets some form of approval.

[06:20:35]

mperkins:

xris: So you're saying that cablecard is not for PC. It's only for "approved" third parties? Is it some kind of external system that plugs into a tivo firewire for USB?

[06:20:39]

xris:

sivik: sounds like you don't have mysql enabled and/or running.

[06:20:48]

sivik:

ok, how do i make it run

[06:20:49]

xris:

mperkins: more or less, yes.

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AdamKili:

hi people. We are getting Cable TV, and I want a DVR. I am considering either buying one from amazon ~$100, installing MythTV on an old xbox (we don't own one), or buying an old computer for the same purpose as the xbox. There's three things I want to know: Which option is best? You can't install MythTV on a DVR from Amazon? and Xbox has a built in video capture card?

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Ediehow:

as usual, thx for help xris:)

[06:21:13]

xris:

AdamKili: xbox only works as a frontend.

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sivik:

if i go to mozilla and go to localhost and click oh sql, does that mean its right?

[06:21:38]

AdamKili:

xris: in other words everthing but video recording?

[06:21:40]

Ediehow:

one more q, though, what's the way you treat min/max bitrate?

[06:21:43]

xris:

sivik: I have no clue. I just run it via /etc/init.d/mysql

[06:21:56]

xris:

AdamKili: "video recording" is sort of core to mythtv

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xris:

Ediehow: no clue — haven't had to deal with that in ages.

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Dr_willis:

Its amazing how nice and cheap some of these DVR's are these days. seeing new ones with more features every day...

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sivik:

the mysql monitor will come up

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Dr_willis:

but some of the features of MythTV they dont have. :)

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AdamKili:

let me rephrase: what are the limitations of the MythTVed xbox and is it a viable option as a DVR/TiVo device?

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sivik:

xris: does that mean its running right, is there a way to see if mysql is running or not?

[06:24:02]

xris:

sivik: ps axf | grep mysql

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Ediehow:

xris: err, weren't you just telling me earlier about min/max bitrate under recording profiles?

[06:24:27]

xris:

AdamKili: xbox will not work standalone for mythtv

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xris:

Ediehow: no. I was talking qmin and qmax (q == quality or quantisation)

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sivik:

i gave it to you in pm

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Ediehow:

oh ok

[06:24:56]

Ediehow:

is that a setting?

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Ediehow:

xris: i thought the bitrate under recording profiles is what you use to determine the quality/file size

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xris:

Ediehow: it is. maybe mpeg2 settings are different. like I said, I haven't messed with that stuff in AGES.

[06:25:59]

xris:

sivik: why are you using phpmyadmin?

[06:26:24]

sivik:

cause how am i supposed to do it

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Ediehow:

you don't use mpeg2?

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AdamKili:

xris: what does the xbox need to work for mythtv?

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sivik:

i though that was the way i was supposed to do it

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xris:

AdamKili: some way to record tv? and a real OS.

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Ediehow:

sorry, i meant bitrate and max bitrate

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xris:

sivik: what are you trying to do?

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sivik:

i'm trying to get mythtv to work correctly

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xris:

sivik: it's just starting to sound like you haven't actually read the documentation.

[06:28:15]

sivik:

i followed a howto

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AdamKili:

ok the xbox is ruled out as an option then.

[06:29:06]

Ediehow:

"

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Ediehow:

As a general rule, I think the maximum bitrate of the PVR150 is ~11MBPS, if you ever plan to burn recordings to DVD the max allowable bitrate for DVDs is ~9MBPS (9.6?). There are charts online which compare recording quality vs bitrate and it may save you some experimentation."

[06:29:11]

AdamKili:

sivik: what setup do you have for MythTV? if you don't mind me asking/interupting

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Ediehow:

so for high quality, things i want to burn to dvd, i should put it as 9.6 for max bitrate?

[06:29:29]

Ediehow:

9600?

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xris:

Ediehow: more than 7 is overkill

[06:29:49]

Ediehow:

ok

[06:29:49]

Ediehow:

hmm

[06:29:57]

Ediehow:

well, they seem to think 11 is max for pvr150mce

[06:30:03]

sivik:

AdamKili, i got the setup to find the stuff i did for zap2it but now it won't populate the database

[06:30:15]

Ediehow:

so you think for high quality i should set to 7000 for max bitrate, or is that more than necessary?

[06:30:25]

sivik:

AdamKili, i just pmed you some stuff

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xris:

Ediehow: I think you should mess around in live tv and set the max to the lowest number that doesn't change the way things look

[06:31:09]

Ediehow:

but i don't know what to do for vertical resolution:(

[06:31:14]

xris:

sivik: updatedb && locate mysql.txt

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Ediehow:

err

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Ediehow:

horiz

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xris:

that will take awhile, btw

[06:31:31]

xris:

Ediehow: again, play around.

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sivik:

AdamKili, did you get it

[06:31:45]

xris:

if you're recording to dvd, though, you have very limited options.

[06:31:50]

Ediehow:

?

[06:31:57]

Ediehow:

i do?

[06:32:13]

xris:

Ediehow: DVD only has a couple of allowed resolutions.

[06:32:19]

Ediehow:

oh

[06:32:26]

xris:

I think it's 352x480 and 720x480, but don't quote me on the first one

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sivik:

xris: i have 3 different mysql.txt

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xris:

sivik: which are...?

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sivik:

one in home folder, and two in /usr/share/mythtv/mysql.txt & /usr/share/mysql.dist and /home/user/mysql.txt

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xris:

sivik: pick one of them to keep. generally, it's the one in your homedir, though if you're doing things as root, you might want to leave the one in /usr/share/mythtv/ since that'll be global

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sivik:

i don't do stuff as root

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sivik:

so what do i need to do with that file?

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sivik:

xris: what am i supposed to do with that file?

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xris:

sivik: edit it and make sure the db settings are correct

[06:44:14]

sivik:

i'm assuming the db settings are correct

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sivik:

what should i try now?

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xris:

run mythfilldatabase?

[06:49:46]

sivik:

hey, its actually doing something this time

[06:50:01]

xris:

cool

[06:50:09]

xris:

sit back, it'll be awhile

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sivik:

yeah, i noticed

[06:50:25]

sivik:

does that mean its actually working this time?

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sivik:

so if i'm geting 006-12–12 00:50:48.931 DataDirect: Your subscription expires on 03/12/2007 06:08:32 AM

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sivik:

, its doing the right thing?

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sivik:

xris, how long is that supposed to take?

[06:53:01]

xris:

sivik: as long as it takes

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xris:

first run can be awhlie

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sivik:

lol

[06:53:17]

sivik:

ok

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xris:

depends on how busy their servers are, etc.

[06:53:23]

sivik:

how often do i need to run it

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xris:

sivik: backend should do it automatically once things are up and running.

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sivik:

ok, now i just got: 2006-12–12 00:53:48.652 Connection timed out.

[06:54:55]

sivik:

You probably should modify the Master Server

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sivik:

settings in the setup program and set the

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sivik:

proper IP address.

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xris:

sivik: sounds like the backend isn't running

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xris:

what distro are you running, again?

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sivik:

ok, so i need to run mythbackend

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sivik:

ubuntu

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xris:

and there's no mythbackend or mythtv in /etc/init.d/ ?

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sivik:

there is a mythbackend in /etc/init.d but not a mythtv

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sivik:

and now i got: 2006-12–12 00:55:47.469 ChannelBase(1) Error: InitializeInputs():

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sivik:

Could not get inputs for the capturecard.

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sivik:

Perhaps you have forgotten to bind video

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sivik:

sources to your card's inputs?

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xris:

sivik: sounds like you didn't set things up right in mythtv-setup

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sivik:

yeah, it seem, trying to get there now

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sivik:

how do i bind the two?

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sivik:

now i'm getting: mythtv: could not connect to socket

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sivik:

mythtv: Connection refused

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blackflare:

hey um, whoever helped me before, thanks btw

[07:01:43]

blackflare:

I found out my card works better with tvtime

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xris:

sivik: probably still need to start the backend

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sivik:

blackflare, but it makes it hard to record

[07:02:38]

blackflare:

oh I dont ever record anything really

[07:02:46]

sivik:

ok, i asked how to i bind the two things together

[07:02:55]

sivik:

i can't start the backend until i do that

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xris:

blackflare: sort of defeats the purpose of mythtv, then.

[07:03:54]

xris:

sivik: run mythtv-setup

[07:04:02]

sivik:

already there

[07:04:12]

sivik:

i set up the capture and the video source

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xris:

btw, you *never* run mythtv by itself. that's just the tv viewer. you'll want mythfrontend when it comes time to do that.

[07:04:31]

sivik:

ok

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xris:

sivik: ok, and there's another option to pick from , right?

[07:04:38]

sivik:

so how do i bind the two together

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sivik:

there are 5 things, general, capture card, video sources, input connections, and channel editor

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xris:

and did you go to input connections like it told you

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xris:

?

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sivik:

i guess i didn't, i must have missed that

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xris:

:)

[07:06:16]

sivik:

could you explain again?

[07:06:51]

xris:

pick the input you want to use (tv, svideo, etc)

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sivik:

ok

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sivik:

i'm on tv currently

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blackflare:

I didnt really know what mythtv was, I was just looking for something that would show my tv tuner

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blackflare:

heh

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sivik:

blackflare, tvtime is good for that

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xris:

blackflare: yeah, mythtv is a bit more than that

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xris:

sivik: you need to attach your zap2it config

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sivik:

blackflare, mythtv has a bunch more stuff for it

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blackflare:

tvtime works for me :D not to mean anything bad about myth

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sivik:

xris: under video source in that menu?

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sivik:

got it

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sivik:

now what?

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sivik:

try running backend again?

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Neeesat25:

Hello

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xris:

sivik: if you got it configured, yes.

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sivik:

xris: if it has lines such as: 2006-12–12 01:10:16.253 AutoExpire: Found 1 recorders w/max rate of 72 MiB/min, does that mean its working correctly

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sivik:

the backend that is

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xris:

sivik: looks like it

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xris:

now open mythfrontend

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Neeesat25:

When I set to record a movie I can see the channel that I am recording but when I get out of LiveTV and get back in I can not see the recording and I get Available Inputs are bussy etc.. I know that is normal but can I set it to be able to watch the recording channel again?

[07:11:53]

sivik:

how do i run mythtv as not fullscreen

[07:12:56]

sivik:

now mythfrontend works

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xris:

sivik: there's a setting burried in the frontend to run it in a window

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xris:

Neeesat25: you have to go to the recordings list.

[07:15:28]

Neeesat25:

and choose the program that is currently recording?

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sivik:

ok

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xris:

Neeesat25: yup

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Neeesat25:

ok. But it would be a nice feature to have

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xris:

Neeesat25: many people have asked for it. no one has written it yet.

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Neeesat25:

cool. It will come

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sivik:

xris: where does the program record to?

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Neeesat25:

What knowlage you must have to write plugins?

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xris:

Neeesat25: most are written in c++

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Neeesat25:

hmm

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Neeesat25:

Are there some writen in other languages?

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sivik:

xris, where does mythtv record stuff to (where on the hd)?

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xris:

sivik: wherever you tell it to

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sivik:

what do you mean wherever i tell it

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xris:

sivik: go into the settings and poke around.

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xris:

there are a lot of them.

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sivik:

i set a program to record, but it never said where it is going to

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sivik:

ok

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xris:

Neeesat25: libmyth is all qt/c++ stufff

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xris:

sivik: it actually prompts you about a lot of that stuff the first time you run it.

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Neeesat25:

xris: Thanks

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xris:

Neeesat25: not sure what ALL of the plugins are written in, though

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Neeesat25:

Yes but it would be a good to know the main language

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xris:

c++

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xris:

that's what the core is written in

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sivik:

it didn't prompt me with anything the first time i ran mythfrontend

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Neeesat25:

thanks xris

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sivik:

ok, do i have to have the frontend running in order to record or will it turn itself on to record

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xris:

backend records

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sivik:

ok, so as long as backend is on, it will run

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xris:

should, yup

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sivik:

how do i make sure backend runs when i start the machine

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xris:

that's probably what the cron,daily thing is for.

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xris:

I don't know how to do it properly in ubuntu, though.

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xris:

fedora/redhat has a nice script called chkconfig that sets up the auto-start stuff.

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sivik:

yeah, we don't have a chkconfig file

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xris:

ubuntu has another script, but I don't know what it's called

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sivik:

xris: its called rc.local

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xris:

sivik: no, that's where you put local rc commands

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sivik:

ok

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xris:

you want to set autostart for different runlevels.. /etc/rc.d/rc.###/

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xris:

where ### is the runlevel

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sivik:

ok

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sivik:

how do i do it for all of them

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xris:

there's a script to automate it, but you can alsojust symlink the init.d script there.

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xris:

you don't want to do it for all of them.

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xris:

each runlevel has a special meaning

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sivik:

i need to make sure i do it no matter if i start gui or start into cli

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xris:

you probably only want 3 (multi-user, no X) and 5 (multi-user with X)

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xris:

sivik: yes, but for instance, runlevel 6 is "halted"

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xris:

you don'

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xris:

don't want to run then.

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sivik:

ok

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sivik:

its currently in my rc3.d folder and my rc5.d folder

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sivik:

its all in 2,3,4,5 (rc#.d)

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sivik:

that should be fine right

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xris:

no

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sivik:

?

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xris:

some of the runlevels are sequential

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sivik:

ok

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sivik:

thats where it was by default

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xris:

oh?

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xris:

if you didn't touch it, it's probably fine, then.

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sivik:

ok

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xris:

can always reboot to test

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sivik:

after i start the computer, how do i tell if it is active

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sivik:

would it be in the ps axf command

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The_Ball:

im tired of screwing around with this cheap tuner card, can anyone recommend a card from these: http://www.computeralliance.com.au/parts.aspx?qrySubCat=TVT please?

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The_Ball:

maybe the hauppauge? does that do hardware mpeg2?

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sivik:

didn't start it automatically with the start of the computer

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sivik:

ps axf | grep myth

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sivik:

4240 pts/0 S+ 0:00 | \_ grep myth

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sivik:

xris: you still around

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xris:

yes

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xris:

sivik: need to turn it on somehow. I don't know how to do that.

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xris:

someone's probably still awake in #ubuntu, though.

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sivik:

yeah, but they seem to be a$$holes or asking a bunch of questions

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mchou:

lol

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Neeesat25:

Is anyone using the script for downloading covers for Riped Videos?

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xris:

Neeesat25: imdb cover grabbing should be built into mythtvideo (albeit not very well)

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Neeesat25:

I have build mythtv from source

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Neeesat25:

Is there an option for it?

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Neeesat25:

--enable-something?

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xris:

Neeesat25: in the video config section, there should be an option in the menu for looking up imdb meta data

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Neeesat25:

You mean setup section of Video?

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xris:

setup/config, yeah

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Neeesat25:

I found that and the link is corect where the imdb script is but I get errors

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xris:

no clue, then.

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mchou:

weirdest thing happened today. was downloading stuff from kernel.org today and achieved a d/l spped of 4.0Mb/sec through my cableco

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mchou:

never seen that b4

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mchou:

speed*

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xris:

nice

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Neeesat25:

How I can set to shutdown Mythtv via remote control?

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Neeesat25:

I am using mythtv user and has no writes to shutdown pc

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juski:

Neeesat25: if you knew how to use Google you'd have found out the following:

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juski:

in your sudoers file (/etc/sudoers) add the line mythtv ALL = NOPASSWD: /sbin/shutdown -h now

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juski:

and suddenly the mythtv user will be able to run the shutdown command

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Neeesat25:

juski: I have a line as mythtv ALL = ALL in there

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Neeesat25:

Below above line I have add 'mythtv ALL = NOPASSWD: /sbin/shutdown -h now' but still I get command not found

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** ilan battles with mythfrontend on OSX **

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juski:

Neeesat25: try sudo /sbin/shutdown -h now

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Neeesat25:

Thanks juski: I will try it when I get back home

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Hoxzer:

[#FinBytes]

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Hoxzer:

wtf... I didn't do that

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kenguru:

yea.

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kenguru:

Hoxzer, what you are using, dvb-t/c/s ?

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Hoxzer:

dvb-c

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Hoxzer:

why are you asking

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kenguru:

Hoxzer, are you using eit?

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ilan:

hmm, from what i can see in the logs — it looks like MythFrontend on my OSX box, is trying to access the video device on the backend (linux). is there a config option for which video device a mythfrontend instance should use?

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Hoxzer:

I get it via tv_grab_fi

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Hoxzer:

so I dont actually use it

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kenguru:

Hoxzer, okay, my tv_grab_fi won't work

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Nallic:

hello. i have some trouble with the autoshutdown feature of mythtv

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Nallic:

it seems that the backed gets into a state, where it does count down, but when reaching 0 it does not call the shutdown check command

[11:13:40]

Nallic:

on neither sets wakeuptime or calls shutdown

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Nallic:

if i restart the backed, it will work again

[11:14:28]

Nallic:

until this happens again.. i have not tracked down what happens

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Nallic:

is there anything i can look for ?

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juski:

Nallic: not much idea, though you can check that the mythtv user is actually allowed to run shutdown

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Nallic:

juski, well, the shutdown and wakeup works most of the times

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Nallic:

juski, so it is setup correctly i think

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Nallic:

it just fails after some unindetified event...

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Nallic:

ill just have to try some things one at a time and see if I can find what triggers the error i guess

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Nallic:

i once had this problem before, and found that i had a XMLtv entry with kept adding a new channel with no channel number or freqid

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Nallic:

this prevented the shutdown

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Nallic:

until i removed the channel from the xmltv config gile

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Nallic:

maybe the scheduler got confused when it had to record from a channel which had no grapper

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klikklak:

hi, I'm having trouble with lirc: when I try running irw alone it connects, but doesn't get any signals. When I try running it with /dev/lirc0 it gives me connection refused. Any hints?

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Nallic:

klikklak, what kind of LIRC hardware do you have ?

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klikklak:

Nallic: technisat tts35ai remote and serial port receiver that came with it

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Nallic:

klikklak, ok and you have configured lirc to use that specific hardware ?

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Nallic:

as i remember it.. for irw to work you need : lircd configured+running

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klikklak:

yes, I've got lirc_serial and lirc_dev running, lircd.conf and hardware.conf configured best I could

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Nallic:

klikklak, ok

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Nallic:

i use lirc_serial for a homebrewed reciever

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klikklak:

how about mode2? if I run it mode2 -d /dev/lirc0 I get mode2: Device or resource busy

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klikklak:

ok

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Nallic:

lets walk through you config

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klikklak:

sure

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Nallic:

besides from the 2 modules.. what have you edited and started ?

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Nallic:

klikklak, hardware.conf

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Nallic:

in /etc/lirc

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klikklak:

hardware.conf and lircd.conf .. lircd.conf is the file I found under lirc.org that was for the remote, hardware.conf has driver=default, device=/dev/lirc and modules=lirc_serial

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Nallic:

klikklak, hm, i have DEVICE="/dev/lirc0"

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Nallic:

might be the same file

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Nallic:

be sure of that

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Nallic:

klikklak, but besides from that, your config is the same as mine.. (except for the remote)

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klikklak:

ok, I changed that

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Nallic:

and restarted lircd

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klikklak:

I tried going to the latest snapshot, but I think that breaks debian customization so I'm switching back to the debian-modules

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Nallic:

as long as you have it compiled it should be allright

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Nallic:

what does "dmesg | grep lirc" say ?

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klikklak:

it still gives me the same error, connection refused when I run irw /dev/lirc or /dev/lirc0

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Nallic:

irw does not need an argument

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klikklak:

lirc_dev: IR Remote Control driver registered, at major 61 lirc_serial: auto-detected active low receiver lirc_dev: lirc_register_plugin: sample_rate: 0

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klikklak:

without an argument it runs but it doesn't pick up any signals

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Nallic:

ok.. we can have a look at the lower level of lirc..

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Nallic:

stop lircd

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klikklak:

stopped

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Nallic:

irrecord -d /dev/lirc0 /tmp/test.conf

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Nallic:

try that

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Nallic:

it will try to learn your remote from scratch

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klikklak:

irrecord: no data for 10 secs, aborting

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Nallic:

bad sign :/

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klikklak:

damn

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Nallic:

klikklak, your reciever.. is that this one :http://www.dvbshop.net/product_info.php/info/ . . . r-etc--.html

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Nallic:

klikklak, what serielport is the reciever connected to ?

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klikklak:

I think it's the same one, it came bundled with the remote (and a two meter cable)

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klikklak:

the first and only one

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Nallic:

ok

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Nallic:

and that is not a USB serial port ?

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Nallic:

setserial /dev/ttyS0

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klikklak:

no

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Nallic:

what does that say

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klikklak:

/dev/ttyS0, UART: unknown, Port: 0x03f8, IRQ: 4

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Nallic:

ok :( .. all seems right

[13:19:14]

Nallic:

well.. you seem to have everything correctly setup..

[13:19:39]

Nallic:

btw.. the irrecord which timed out

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klikklak:

hmm, dang, thanks for the help, too bad we couldn't fix it.

[13:19:58]

Nallic:

did you actually try to send IR codes with the remote withing 10 secs ?

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klikklak:

yes

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Nallic:

of cause :)

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klikklak:

:)

[13:20:20]

Nallic:

well.. try with other remotes maybe.

[13:20:51]

Nallic:

i dont have any other ideas, other than trying to look at the signals on the reciever with a scope

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klikklak:

I'll borrow one from my mom when I see her..

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Nallic:

but i asume you dont have that available ?

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klikklak:

nope

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Nallic:

ok

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Nallic:

are you sure the remote works ?

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klikklak:

well, I haven't been able to test it on anything else

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klikklak:

I guess I could try returning it

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Nallic:

if you have a webcam/digital camera or something you can actually se the IR diodde flashing

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Nallic:

but if remotes never fails ;) .. unless the run out of batteries

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klikklak:

I don't have either, maybe from one of my sisters... pretty difficult though

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klikklak:

this one came bundled with batteries... I've got extras I could try though

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Nallic:

try once again to do these things, but dont use the externder cable

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Nallic:

and try the extra batteries .. just to be sure

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Nallic:

good luck

[13:25:50]

klikklak:

well, the batteries didn't help and I can't remove the cable, so no luck

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juski:

klikklak: how did you configure lirc_serial? there are several different options for it including a dumb homebrew receiver & a few others

[14:06:36]

seth|laptop:

can anyone tell me what the following errors mean?? Hosed up my box last night, missed my x-files recordings: http://pastebin.ca/276568

[14:07:26]

juski:

hosed your box? how?

[14:07:43]

seth|laptop:

it made my frontend sluggish, and my recording would not show up

[14:07:51]

seth|laptop:

until I restarted the backend

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seth|laptop:

it repeated itself like 82 times

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seth|laptop:

according to the syslog file

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kslater:

ivor – question on mpeg decoding on CLE266 vs CN400 if you have a second

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seth|laptop:

in fact a quick dmesg this morning, was showing it still

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seth|laptop:

didn't clear until I rebooted

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qu0zl:

kslater, what's your question? SOmeone else may know anyway

[14:10:00]

sbrath:

Any tips on why when I program Myth to record something it's always 2 channels off? IE: I ask to record Food Network (38) and it records channel 40?

[14:10:16]

Neeesat25:

I get the following error when I try to get covers from web for my videos: /usr/local/share/mythtv/mythvideo/scripts/imdb.pl Can't locate LWP/Simple.pm in @INC

[14:10:42]

kslater:

does the CN400 have an advantage over the CLE266 for mpeg2 decoding? Specifically an HD OTA mpeg2?

[14:10:57]

kslater:

or are they roughtly equal excluding host CPU clock speeds

[14:11:10]

Neeesat25:

Anyone had similar problem?

[14:11:23]

qu0zl:

the cn400 is full mpeg2 decode, the cle266 is only motion compensation. So the cn400 is a good bit lower cpu usage for mpeg

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qu0zl:

mpeg2 even

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sbrath:

Neeesat25: perl -MCPAN -e shell then type install LWP::Simple

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qu0zl:

i've not used them with OTA hd mpeg2 streams, just normal mpeg2 streams. There were problems with mythtv and hd xvmc one the unichromes i thought?

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dverzolla:

Hi, has anyone capturing from firewire?

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fourcheeze:

anyone running mythfrontend on a mac mini?

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fourcheeze:

(on OSX)

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** juski is gonna buy a mac mini next year come hell or high water. bye bye epia :) **

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kslater:

qu0zl – I heard the same thing about hd xvmc and unichrome, but I can't find anything definite to back that up.

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qu0zl:

i don't have hdtv so i havent tried it myself. But for any mpeg2 stream, assuming they both can manage to play it, the cn400 will be lower cpu usage

[14:28:45]

kslater:

I'll give it another try tonight

[14:29:01]

kslater:

just noticed that /etc/XvMCConfig is pointing at the wrong library

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qu0zl:

by quite a bit, maybe 1/3rd less. it's a very noticable difference but i can't remember exactly how much

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kslater:

on my CLE266 fe

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fourcheeze:

juski: yeah I think I'll get one – just got to persuade the wife

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** seth|laptop will buy juskis epia, when he switches **

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Neeesat25:

Cool it worked

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Neeesat25:

Thanks sbrath

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seth|laptop:

I wonder if this will help my ivtv issue : http://pastebin.ca/276585

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kslater:

what ivtv issue are you having?

[14:41:34]

seth|laptop:

it at the top of the above pastebin

[14:41:35]

kslater:

me has been lucky and mostly hasn't experienced ivtv issues

[14:41:48]

kslater:

stopping capture

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kslater:

missed that part since the line broke

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kslater:

DMA issues

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fourcheeze:

juski: what's so bad with the epia ?

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kslater:

and which epia is it that you're disliking?

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seth|laptop:

well what happened was, I had set some stuff to record last night, when I got up this morning to check them, I could not see my "recorded" programs, none of them. I fired up a term, and the error in the tpo of that paste bin was all over dmesg, and in syslog file. I had to stop and start the backend, this allowed me to view my recordings again, but I could not access the pvr card, I had to reboot to clear this state

[14:44:12]

kslater:

ouch

[14:44:54]

seth|laptop:

i have downloaded the latest ivtv for my kernel 0.7.2, and while viewing the changelogs, I came across the bottom of that pastebin, correcting DMA errors, I should just recompile it

[14:45:56]

seth|laptop:

the funny thing is , it worked great all weekend

[14:46:03]

** seth|laptop shrugs shoulders **

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qu0zl:

all good bugs are intermittant seth|laptop

[14:46:19]

qu0zl:

otherwise they get fixed :)

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seth|laptop:

hehe

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qu0zl:

i'd compile it and try it, it sounds like it might fix your problem. If you do then keep the old modules around in case the new one is worse :)

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seth|laptop:

well I'll redo it tongiht when I get home. I don't want to interupt the wife's lifetime channel viewing for this morning

[14:48:33]

seth|laptop:

although according to mythweb, she hasn't started watching it

[14:56:16]

qu0zl:

that must be handy for limiting her viewing hours ;)

[14:56:35]

qu0zl:

you can also change tv channel to "Men and Motors" via telnet

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BULLE:

seth|laptop: the dma error stuff fixed in ivtv caused small mpeg corruption, that gave you artifaces in the video/audio stream

[14:59:25]

juski:

what's up with the EPIA? nothing apart from it being unable to play sdtv without xvmc

[14:59:50]

BULLE:

seth|laptop: it had to do with the dma engine on the ivtv cards being a bit crappy, so if a dma operation failed, it was unclear exactly how much of the data had been transfered

[14:59:58]

seth|laptop:

BULLE: I was getting this on the last recording, before it locked up

[15:00:30]

BULLE:

seth|laptop: i had those artifacts all the time, before the patch

[15:00:40]

seth|laptop:

I had pixelation(spelling) and blocky viewing

[15:01:22]

seth|laptop:

it recorded exactly 17 minutes of "Stripes" last night, before the DMA error thing, and of those 17 minutes, the last say 5 or so, were blocky, and pixeled

[15:02:39]

seth|laptop:

it also, later on that evening/morning, cops was scheduled to record at 3AM, and it was showing the same blocky/pixel my guess is becasue the DMA was hung by the ivtv drivers, I am hoping compiling 0.7.2 will resolve this

[15:03:20]

seth|laptop:

i am currently using KP R5D1 default which is 0.7.0-CVS

[15:04:11]

juski:

so much for knoppmyth being the dogs' bollocks for you then ;)

[15:04:26]

seth|laptop:

well up until last night, it was

[15:04:51]

seth|laptop:

and still is, this is most assuredly an undersight of my own, as mythtv can have no flaws, ;-)

[15:05:04]

juski:

bullshit

[15:05:04]

qu0zl:

mythtv has no flaws it's true. Knoppmyth may have 1 or 2

[15:05:06]

seth|laptop:

hehe

[15:05:45]

seth|laptop:

well I am sure at the time KP R5D1 was imaged, 0.7.0-CVS was probably the latest, and greatest

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jduggan:

god damn

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jduggan:

im gonna have to fix this

[15:07:28]

jduggan:

swapping the devices around all the time

[15:07:41]

juski:

there's never anything wrong with software, or themes

[15:07:50]

juski:

it's always the user's fault :)

[15:09:10]

BULLE:

hehe

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seth|laptop:

I just hope re-building ivtv resolves the issue

[15:10:01]

seth|laptop:

i would hate to have to think I need to replace my pvr150 with say an pvr500, hwww, wait a tick, that may just work in my favor

[15:10:03]

seth|laptop:

:-)

[15:12:37]

Dagmar:

Hey seth, are you getting errors from mythfilldatabase out of zap2it's side of things?

[15:12:45]

Dagmar:

...like, right now or since last night?

[15:12:49]

seth|laptop:

not recently

[15:12:58]

seth|laptop:

I had a good run at 315am EST

[15:13:31]

Dagmar:

AHA

[15:13:37]

Dagmar:

I just logged in, now I see what the problem is

[15:13:48]

Dagmar:

Something went awry and they think I didn't do the last little survey thing

[15:14:01]

seth|laptop:

I can say this, they put my HD channels back in order

[15:15:07]

Dagmar:

Literally ten minutes before The Lost Room came on last night, my guide data all went kablooie

[15:15:12]

Dagmar:

I was very pleased. ;)

[15:15:30]

seth|laptop:

In my case, that was the last successful pvr150 recording I had last night

[15:15:47]

Dagmar:

I thought it was a temporary thing and figured it was on their end... I was kinda right

[15:15:50]

seth|laptop:

after that, the whole DMA thing went awry

[15:15:59]

Dagmar:

Euw what happened?

[15:16:01]

seth|laptop:

well 17 minutes into Stripes anyways

[15:16:08]

Dagmar:

I can recommend asrock boards at least

[15:16:18]

seth|laptop:

http://pastebin.ca/276585

[15:16:41]

seth|laptop:

I had thoses errors in a 1.2MB syslog file

[15:17:29]

Dagmar:

Enh it probably can't hurt to build 0.7.3

[15:17:40]

Dagmar:

I should do that myself, actually.

[15:17:59]

Dagmar:

See, you blinked, and new versions came out last night

[15:18:11]

seth|laptop:

i will call the wife here in abit, if she is as I am thinking just watching the dish sans mythtv, I can reboot the box and stuff

[15:18:41]

Dagmar:

You dont' need to reboot to change ivtv. :)

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Dagmar:

Hmm... looking at the README you'd almost thing closed-captioning works on the PVR-500 now

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seth|laptop:

well according to the howto I am perusing from th KP wiki, it says I need toreboot

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cetex:

uhm.. why cant i have symlinks in my music-directories that gets added in mythmusic?

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cetex:

like, a folder where i keep all music, unsorted, and another where i've sorted the albums, with symlinks to the real location of the unsorted albums

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Dagmar:

Because that's a handy way to have everything wind up in your database twice

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cetex:

what if it wouldnt matter?

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juski:

hometime!

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Dagmar:

It sorts by id3 tags so it's not like this breaks your ability to look at the lists inside MythMusic

[15:32:39]

Dagmar:

cetex: Feel free to tell the guy doing Mythmusic that you'd like the ability to later send him an email complaining everything is listed twice in your database.

[15:33:17]

cetex:

i'd like to sort my music outside of myth since the mythmusic sorting ability isnt even close to usefull..

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GreyFoxx:

What's stopping you? It's not like myth provides a file system browser for music

[15:34:01]

GreyFoxx:

I have all of my music sorted and myth doesn't care

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Dagmar:

cetex: Allow me to recommend Picard, the Musicbrainz tagging/sorting util

[15:35:59]

cetex:

there's an option for "show entire music tree" that shows the tree as it is ordered on the disc.

[15:36:15]

cetex:

i've already got all tags correct.

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Dagmar:

It's basically meant for *bulk* unscrambling of music colections

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GreyFoxx:

cetex: Ahhh, I had forgotten about that since my wife is the primary user of it

[15:36:43]

cetex:

heh :)

[15:38:20]

cetex:

but, no. it's ordered on the disc. but myth screws with it so it gets almost impossible to navigate.. (try to find some albums under a specific genre or year when you've got a moderate collection for example)..

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LabMonkey:

GreyFoxx: hey I was thinking about your vmware/upnp problem...

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LabMonkey:

is there a particular reason why you need to run windows on the host instead of in a vm?

[15:45:54]

cetex:

oh

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cetex:

hardlinks works..

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GreyFoxx:

LabMonkey: That particular machine is a work laptop and I have no choice in the OS it runs

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GreyFoxx:

Otherwise, it wouldn't be windows :)

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LabMonkey:

ahh

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GreyFoxx:

It's funny, they don't care what I run on my work desktop

[15:47:24]

GreyFoxx:

but I'm not allowed to take windows off the laptop :)

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GreyFoxx:

*shrug*

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LabMonkey:

yeah I ask because running linux on the host and windows in a guest would allow you way more flexibility with networking stuff (routing, multicast, upnp, etc)

[15:48:25]

LabMonkey:

and you could still do whatever you needed windows for within the guest

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GreyFoxx:

Normally that's what I would do if it was up to me

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LabMonkey:

I totally understand

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Dagmar:

Just buy another notebook hard drive so you can swap them out. :)

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LabMonkey:

I was fortunate enough to have control over OS/distro choice on mine

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GreyFoxx:

heh

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LabMonkey:

my boss was still a douchebag, but at least I had some choices

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GreyFoxx:

I get to pick the OS's on every other piece of equipment, but not the laptops

[15:50:43]

GreyFoxx:

they fall under the control of the "office manager" *sigh*

[15:53:19]

LabMonkey:

heh

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LabMonkey:

buy the office manager lunch and lobby for control over your own laptop

[15:53:54]

GreyFoxx:

The alternate HD is the most likely option :)

[15:54:12]

GreyFoxx:

The "office manager" doesn't even work in my office heh

[15:54:56]

GreyFoxx:

But either way, it still doesn't answer my question of my the odd behaviour, which is really what I'm curious about

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GreyFoxx:

windows or linux as the host OS I really am not worried about :)

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GreyFoxx:

I want to know if this is a windows caused limitation or just a vmware on windows limitation :)

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GreyFoxx:

so far vmware support has been silent on it :)

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LabMonkey:

uhm

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LabMonkey:

your linux guests have the multicast route added, correct?

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GreyFoxx:

Nope, no special routes setup on them

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LabMonkey:

note that my understanding of multicast routing is pretty limited

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GreyFoxx:

and even having a route or not having one shouldn't stop the packet from reaching the interface

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GreyFoxx:

The traffic hits the physical interface

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LabMonkey:

well are you sure that the packet isn't reaching the virtual iface?

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GreyFoxx:

and since I'm bridging the VM I should see that packet

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GreyFoxx:

yes

[15:58:03]

GreyFoxx:

very sure :)

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LabMonkey:

ok so packet sniffing on the host shows the multicast traffic hitting the interface, but windows doesn't need it so it just ignores it

[15:58:36]

rukuartic:

Anyone want to help me get mythmusic working? Audio works for everything but mythmusic. X_x

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GreyFoxx:

LabMonkey: yup

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LabMonkey:

and on the guest tcpdump or something doesn't even show the multicast traffic at all?

[15:59:03]

GreyFoxx:

correct

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LabMonkey:

ah hah

[15:59:18]

GreyFoxx:

I see broadcast traffic , but not multicast

[15:59:20]

LabMonkey:

I'm seriously inclined to think it's a vmware problem

[15:59:26]

GreyFoxx:

the packets never make it to the virtual interface

[16:00:08]

GreyFoxx:

I should go grab the latest version of vmplayer and try it out since it's newer than my licensed workstation

[16:00:20]

LabMonkey:

not to devalue your troubleshooting and research skills, but I'll search around and see if I can find any relevant info

[16:00:26]

LabMonkey:

funny thing is...

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GreyFoxx:

LabMonkey: Done that many times

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LabMonkey:

I have no use for this afaik

[16:00:50]

GreyFoxx:

Google, mailing lists, vmware's own forumns, and directly to vmwarezs support

[16:01:09]

GreyFoxx:

I'd be happy if they just said "That's a bug"

[16:01:16]

LabMonkey:

hmm.. tried vmware-server?

[16:01:16]

GreyFoxx:

I just wanna know where the disconnect is :)

[16:01:36]

GreyFoxx:

LabMonkey: I haven't tried this under it no

[16:01:46]

LabMonkey:

I'm thinking maybe workstation/player lack this multicast support

[16:01:57]

GreyFoxx:

we don't run vmware-server under windows, so I've never tried it

[16:02:08]

seth|laptop:

Dagmar: so is it true, that I do not require a reboot, to update the ivtv drivers?

[16:02:28]

GreyFoxx:

seth|laptop: You don't need to reboot for anything but changing the kernel itself

[16:02:38]

seth|laptop:

what about the loaded drivers?

[16:02:40]

GreyFoxx:

Or I support to full test init scripts

[16:02:43]

GreyFoxx:

seth|laptop: unloadthem

[16:02:49]

GreyFoxx:

rmmod module

[16:02:55]

GreyFoxx:

lsmod lists the loaded modules

[16:03:09]

seth|laptop:

wow there are a crap load of them concerning ivtv

[16:04:12]

Dagmar:

seth|laptop: It's a module man. You stop the backend and unload the modules, depmod (if you didn't already) and then load the new ones.

[16:04:15]

Dagmar:

I just did it

[16:05:37]

seth|laptop:

are you just removing ivtv, or all the otherones associated with ivtv?

[16:06:05]

GreyFoxx:

seriously though, if you ever have to boot in linux for anything under than a new kernel, or testing initscripts and such then it's a bug (buggy drive or something) or flawed/lazy design(windows)

[16:06:08]

Dagmar:

Only the ones that were just rebuilt

[16:07:44]

LabMonkey:

or power outage

[16:07:55]

Dagmar:

Buy a UPS

[16:07:58]

LabMonkey:

got one

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GreyFoxx:

well power loss or intentionally turning off the pc for hardware changes etc I don't count. those are physical issues :)

[16:08:24]

LabMonkey:

it's just not beefy enough to deal with 5 hours of no power due to some drunk driver running into a substation

[16:08:40]

Dagmar:

Ever heard of upsd? :)

[16:08:56]

LabMonkey:

that won't stop the batteries from running out

[16:09:08]

Dagmar:

Yeah, but it gives you a chance to at least do a controlled shutdown

[16:09:17]

rukuartic:

GreyFoxx: Any tips on where I could go to figure out problems with mythmusic?

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LabMonkey:

Dagmar: which eventually should result in booting again :P

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nuxil:

is ther a way i can get my frequenzes out of the database or must i run mythtv-setup and write em down manualy ?

[16:16:48]

kslater:

is it possible to run mytharchive from the command line?

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Dagmar:

Yes, but not reasonable.

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GreyFoxx:

kslater: It can be done, you would need to generate the XML file that it uses by hand(or through a script) each time you run it

[16:19:23]

kslater:

hmm

[16:19:33]

kslater:

might need to investigate that option

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Dagmar:

I suppose if you have to ask, then the answer could also be "For you? No."

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kslater:

Dagmar: was that for me?

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nuxil:

hey, is ther a way i can print out the frequences for each channel from the database ?

[16:23:15]

kslater:

what frequencies?

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kslater:

select chanid, freqid from channel;

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Dagmar:

kslater: Yes.

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jesse`:

Is there some way to get mythtv to run a script whenever it begins

[16:25:01]

jesse`:

recording (including livetv)?

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jesse`:

Sometimes I leave my sound card set to microphone. I'd like mythtv to run a script to switch capture to the tv card.

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GreyFoxx:

nuxil: Normally, it will output the channel frequecyid, which is converted in the code to the appropriate frequency. Unless you have manually entered or customized the frequency

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GreyFoxx:

jesse`: No, there isn't anything for a job at the start of a recording

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GreyFoxx:

though I can see where that might be handy

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Dagmar:

jessee: Buy something other than a framegrabbing card and the problem goes right away

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jesse`:

Dagmar: I have a cheap card because I'm cheap. I don't expect that to change any time soon!

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nuxil:

i was hoping for a quik way getting them out of the database

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jesse`:

Dagmar: I don't even have cable. I'm recording of a pair of cheap rabbit ears.

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GreyFoxx:

nuxil: If you entered them manually then I think the freqid column might have the info you want

[16:29:24]

nuxil:

GreyFoxx, im no msql guru so, how would i do it to print them out?

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nuxil:

erm

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GreyFoxx:

login to mysql and do something like select channum,freqid,finetune,callsign from channel;

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GreyFoxx:

see if it has the info you are looking for

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GreyFoxx:

mysql -umythtv -p mythconverg

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GreyFoxx:

do that from the commandline

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GreyFoxx:

enter the proper database password (most just use mythtv for that as well)

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GreyFoxx:

and then run that select

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nuxil:

ehh

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nuxil:

mysql> select

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nuxil:

->

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nuxil:

hmmm'

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juski:

anyone here using the new web remote thingy that was posted about on the mailing lists?

[16:37:53]

Dagmar:

Umm... "thingy"?

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juski:

http://www.mythtv.co.nz/mythtv/?p=29

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Dagmar:

Oh that bastard

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Dagmar:

I'm still trying to get a decent router my damn Nintendo DS will work with

[16:40:00]

Dagmar:

I suppose since I"m looking to bring as much of the interface over to a CGI as I can I'll still have a leg up on him

[16:40:15]

Dagmar:

BTW, HostAP and the people who made it's documentation can rot in hell

[16:40:27]

Dagmar:

Took me four bloody hours to get it working yesterdya

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Dr_willis:

Hmm.. Did they release the Opera Browser for the Nin. DS yet?

[16:41:26]

Dagmar:

Yes, they did

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Dagmar:

I got aggressive with it and ordered the EU version, which came out in November

[16:42:08]

Dagmar:

They may still be bogarting the warez on that for the US version

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Dagmar:

Of course, it still doesn't solve the problem of potentially being bombarded with questiosn from people about why their DS doesn't work with their wireless router, but I'm going to put up a mail filter to hopefulyl avoid those

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Dagmar:

:)

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Dagmar:

At the moment, the only way I can test what I've done is from a coffee house.

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Dr_willis:

Heh. Not heard anything about it really. Just rember it comming out soon. was going to get it.. guess i will wait.

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Dagmar:

Which, ya know, ain't exactly the ideal television watching experience

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Dagmar:

I think the main thing is that if a router defaults to 11Mb and doesn't really pay attention to the DS wailing that it can only go at 1–2Mb/s then you're just boned

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Dr_willis:

trying to watch tv on the ds web browser?

[16:45:13]

Dagmar:

No, trying to use it as a remote control.

[16:45:21]

Dagmar:

...but not just for channel changes

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Dagmar:

It is *slow* on a complex page, so doing the whole program guide thing is out of the question

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Dr_willis:

heh – i went out shopping for a remote yesterday.. found a PVR 150 on sale with remote. and after rebates = $50

[16:45:56]

Dagmar:

...but like, MythVideo's functionality, no problem doing that

[16:46:23]

Dr_willis:

was looking for a ATI remote. couldent find any,

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Dagmar:

I bought one of the PVR remotes One4All makes

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Dagmar:

It could maybe use 2–3 more buttons on it, but it works fine

[16:47:23]

Dagmar:

I need to sit down sometime soon and revamp the lircrc file for it and push that out to my webpage. A lot of stuff has changed since the dude I got mine from posted his

[16:47:56]

Dagmar:

I'm rebuilding 0.20-fixes before I try making the guide button work again

[16:48:04]

Dagmar:

The last build I did of it has a really cool bug.

[16:48:30]

Dagmar:

Go from LiveTV to the program guide and there was apparently about a 30% chance that the preview window appearing would hard-lock the entire machine

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sbrath:

any ideas why when I ask to record a program, I end up recording a channel that is off by 2? IE: It records channel 40 when it should have recorded channel 38?

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juski:

there's no sleep to be lost over not being able to find an ATI product in a shop

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Dr_willis:

Hmm.. a MythTV box can work as a Emulator front end also? for the SNES games? I got a 5 yr old screaming at me for a game like the 'big kids play'

[16:58:07]

Dr_willis:

THey wont let her play Guitar Hero and shes mad.

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Dr_willis:

:)

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Dr_willis:

of course finding a game a 5 yr old can play is the hard part.

[16:59:23]

Dagmar:

Star Wars Galaxies.

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Dagmar:

*snicker*

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Dr_willis:

Hmm.. smashtv she likes.. but i cant get it to 'shoot' with both game sticks.

[17:01:54]

Dr_willis:

she cant understand why she needs to use 'one'stick over the other. :)

[17:02:23]

Dr_willis:

guess thats a snes limitation. :) using a ps2 type controller.

[17:02:56]

Dagmar:

You could always geld one of the sticks

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seth|laptop:

would a dual xeon P4 1.7 w/ 512MB ram, make a good backend box, for tuners, and commflagging?

[17:03:57]

seth|laptop:

and mytharchive?

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Dr_willis:

I could dig out the HanHO arcade controller.. but shes playong on THIS pc on the tv out. Heh heh..

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Dagmar:

seth|laptop: Provided you're not framegrabbing

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seth|laptop:

Dagmar: no, it would have 2 air2pc cards, and 2 pvr 150 cards

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Dagmar:

If you're framegrabbing you can pretty much forget it. That's about enough power for one framegrab and you'd better be picky about prioritizing processes.

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seth|laptop:

I ownder how much HD playback would suffer form having to go across the ethernet

[17:06:38]

seth|laptop:

wonder even

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Dagmar:

It would probably work over fast ethernet.

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seth|laptop:

100MB

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seth|laptop:

?

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Dagmar:

I wouldnt' put a lot of trust in 10base-T handling it well tho

[17:06:59]

seth|laptop:

I have a 100MB switch

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seth|laptop:

and cat 5 run about 70 feet

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juski:

should be ok as long as there are no sources of serious interference, and the cables aren't shot to bits, and the user has a clue, and the switch is half-decent....

[17:10:55]

seth|laptop:

well, I ran the cable, its new, it is terminated in wall plates, and it 12 feet (4 meters) away from any known power lines

[17:11:11]

Dagmar:

You should be fine provided you pinned the cables right

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seth|laptop:

well it works now, it is how I connect to the internet from my frontend.

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Dagmar:

I'm looking into what kind of PCI wireless-G cards I can get away with so I can put a frontend in my bedroom without running any more wires throught the HVAC ducts

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Dr_willis:

heh thata how i run them also

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Merlin83b2:

Use wires if you can. Wireless is subject to so many things that ruin the data rate.

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seth|laptop:

my laptop wirelss g, and my linksys wrts54g work up to 60 ft for SD and 30 ft for HD

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Dagmar:

Merlin83b: here I don't much have to worry about it. Either people in this condo complex are unusually savvy, or there actually is no other AP within 150 yards of this apartment

[17:17:07]

Merlin83b:

Laptops fair enough, but if the box is going to stay where it is, wires are good :)

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seth|laptop:

but after an hour or so the HD gets back buffered, and begins to stutter, but I have never had it happen with the SD stuff

[17:17:25]

Dagmar:

I also border a river. Those are notorious for being producers of very little RFI. :)

[17:18:07]

Dagmar:

seth|laptop: Renice your other processes. It sounds like you're losing the scheduler's attention

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seth|laptop:

I still have to renice commflag to 19 everytime it fires up

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seth|laptop:

going to move commflag to another box

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seth|laptop:

just for commflag

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Dagmar:

I cheat and use a runas-based wrapper

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Merlin83b:

lol

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seth|laptop:

??

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seth|laptop:

how does that work

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Dagmar:

I've still been too lazy to get the capabilities module working properly

[17:20:35]

Dagmar:

Dig up a copy of runas, which makes running things as a non-root user when you're root much easier

[17:20:40]

Dagmar:

Rename mythcommflag to something else.

[17:21:00]

Dagmar:

Write a shell script named mythcommflag that invokes runas and repeats the argument list to the newly named mythcommflag. Done.

[17:21:03]

D-side:

interesting.

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seth|laptop:

hmm

[17:21:19]

D-side:

just caught the fact that my zap2it account was about to lapse, and i got no email about it

[17:21:30]

Dagmar:

Root processes (like the backend) never have to really compete with puny userlevel processes. :)

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seth|laptop:

D-side: neither did I, but if you go to thier site, the option appears

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Dagmar:

D-side: Could be worse. Mine just lapsed even though I did the renew thing less than a month ago

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seth|laptop:

I'll try that Dagmar

[17:22:12]

Dagmar:

They apparently have no survey ready at the moment, so it's just a click and you're done

[17:23:23]

D-side:

okay, maybe i'm fos. i missed that email. :)

[17:23:37]

D-side:

Dagmar: its been that way the last couple times i renewed.

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seth|laptop:

hey, I just read in the forums, that you can replace the mythcommflag command in mythtv-setup with 'nice -n 19 mythcommflag' and get the result I desire

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** seth|laptop considers how much less intelligent he feels. **

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Dagmar:

yes, but doing that requires wading through the setup menus in the frontend

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Dagmar:

:)

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fryfrog:

seth|laptop: ah, a wise change!

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seth|laptop:

can't find the commflag entry in the db, I'll just wait until I get home

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GreyFoxx:

seth|laptop: JobQueueCommFlagCommand

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GreyFoxx:

there is one for JobQueueTranscodeCommand too

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seth|laptop:

which table is that in

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seth|laptop:

phpmyadmin search can't locate it

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GreyFoxx:

settings

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seth|laptop:

ack, I don't have that.

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GreyFoxx:

You have to have a settings table

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GreyFoxx:

It's not optional :)

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seth|laptop:

i have the settings table, just not that entry

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seth|laptop:

fro either actually

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seth|laptop:

er for

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GreyFoxx:

If you have never passed over those options in the setup screens it's possible that there are no entries

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seth|laptop:

ah, that would make sense

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twob:

I'm seeing stutter problems with dvd's. Not too bad some times but motion is more of stop motion in some dvd's (although audio is fine) and after a minute or two some dvd's will go into a constant play/pause/play/pause stutter where audio also stutters. It's like a dvd is being played in half speed. Doesn't matter if it's off optical or a file that is ripped. Doesn't do it all the time in the same places. Does it on about 10/15 dvd's or r

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jduggan:

which player are you using twob ?

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twob:

internal

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jduggan:

ah

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twob:

.20a

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jduggan:

hmm, i was gettin that problem i just built mplayer and use its -cache option

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twob:

changing the time stretching doesn't increase or decrease the stutter which is quite interesting.. still stutters regardless.

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twob:

I don't see xrun events which I know could be the issue so unless myth is hiding these from coming out to the console... The stuttering is also very uniform

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twob:

play half second, pause half second, play half second...

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seth|laptop:

ok, I added it, thanks GreyFoxx

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cetex:

uhm, if i want to check if a certain directory (beginning with CD) exists, can i use: if [ -d "CD*" ]; then ?

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Dagmar:

`man bash`

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cetex:

oh well.. :)

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Dagmar:

...or google Advanced Bash Scripting Guide

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cetex:

:)

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GlemSom:

What could be causing this behavior? -> http://paste.uni.cc/12175

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xris:

GlemSom: what behavior? All I see are log messages.

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GlemSom:

xris, the kernel Oops

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xris:

GlemSom: run mythfrontend with -v all

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GlemSom:

Ok, heres the output: http://paste.uni.cc/12176

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GlemSom:

Strange... I don't even have a nvidia card... I have an matrox... why does it say: nVidiaVideoSync: Could not open device /dev/nvidia0, No such file or directory

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GlemSom:

Maybe I should try recompiling mythtc – and making sure it's not catching any nvidia stuff?

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GlemSom:

I've actully got some nvidia stuff in since I was planing on installing a nvidia card in this machine later on... If I ever managed to get mythtv to work...

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janneg:

juski: I'm reproducing the 100% cpu usage with blootube-wide now with profiling

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Linuxkrn|wrk:

hi all, did a search on the wiki, ML, and docs, but I can't find anything saying if the Quadro4 900 XGL (not 980) support XvMC, does anyone know if it works with that card?

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juski:

janneg: ooo and?

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juski:

quadro4? isn't that a bit erm.. ricer-ish for a mythtv machine?

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Linuxkrn|wrk:

ricer-ish?

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juski:

way overpowered for no good reason. Unless it's just for a frontend which will also run windows & be playing games at stupid*stupid resolutions

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Linuxkrn|wrk:

ah, well I got 3 of them for free. :)

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Linuxkrn|wrk:

they are older cards, in their day they were like $600+

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juski:

get em sold on Ebay & use the proceeds for more tuners :)

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janneg:

juski: found nothing yet. it redraws constantly and seems to reload images the whole time. but I don't know why

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Linuxkrn|wrk:

I have 3 tuners (one HD) now

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juski:

I think they'd be fine for xvmc

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juski:

janneg: in which screen? the menu?

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janneg:

yes, all menues

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juski:

I have an idea. check base.xml & possibly change the alphafade amount to 0

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juski:

I've no idea how any of that stuff is meant to work, never having seen an example which uses it

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Linuxkrn|wrk:

and IIRC, the Quadro4's have video overlays, not sure if or how that could help mythtv

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juski:

Linuxkrn|wrk: most cards do, but it might mean you can use xvmc and the chromakey OSD hack to get colour OSD while using xvmc ;)

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Linuxkrn|wrk:

hum, not many people posting that have that card

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juski:

so?

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Linuxkrn|wrk:

works great for me, as I went with a $24 DVI -> HDMI cable.

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juski:

you got em for free and it'll cost you nothing to try one

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juski:

so why spend time pondering over it?

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Linuxkrn|wrk:

just need to fix a little overscan (under) on it

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janneg:

juski: change="0" is the problem

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hobophobe:

Trying to fix a crappy cable install and know you guys have experience.. basically over time our to-the-house line had degraded and after much trying the cableco replaced it, but they did a shit job.. wondering if you guys recommend finding an independent to do the work or have any suggestions?

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janneg:

hmm, it's different, time to check the source

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janneg:

if I delete the alphaphase tag the load is gone

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hobophobe:

They didn't ground the line, they hung it up on a hook so that it's sagged and looks kinked now, and didn't remove the old cable...there's also an amp on the old cable which I thought I'd try to switch over, it's like a clam, not sure if it's a one-time deal?

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juski:

janneg: ahh

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artus:

Hi all

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artus:

I have a problem with some channels

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juski:

janneg: so if I just delete the alphaphase tag all is well?

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juski:

I'll change my themes & put em out later tonight

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hobophobe:

artus, a more specific explanation is in order :o)

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artus:

yes

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artus:

I am looking for my logfile :)

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artus:

maybe the long story:

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artus:

I would like to bring the channels an a special order

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janneg:

juski: yes, you can set the alpha value with alpha

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artus:

so I tried to modify the channels table in mysql

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artus:

that is a little slow and I thought of using channels.conf which was easy to modify

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artus:

then I importet channels.conf to mythtv

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artus:

but now EIT or EPG is not working :(

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artus:

how would you change the sequence of channels ?

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artus:

is channel table the only table where channel info is stored ?

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Linuxkrn|wrk:

juski: is that a patch or a compile option? (color osd)

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hobophobe:

I believe so... you can probably clear and re-fill it somehow... my preference for editing the table is via mythweb..

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artus:

sometimes I get this and mythtv does not come back:

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juski:

Linuxkrn|wrk: see the wiki entry about xvmc

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artus:

2006-12–12 20:30:23.574 TVRec(1): Changing from WatchingLiveTV to None

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artus:

2006-12–12 20:30:23.635 Program #16406 not found in PAT!

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artus:

Program Association Table

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artus:

PSIP tableID(0x0) length(221) extension(0x43a)

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artus:

version(3) current(1) section(0) last_section(0)

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artus:

tsid: 1082

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artus:

programCount: 53

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artus:

program number 0 has PID 0x 10 data 0x0 0x0 0x224 0x16

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artus:

program number 20002 has PID 0x 401 data 0x78 0x34 0x228 0x1

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artus:

program number 20001 has PID 0x 20 data 0x78 0x33 0x224 0x32

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juski:

pastebin!

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artus:

program number 20003 has PID 0x 402 data 0x78 0x35 0x228 0x2

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artus:

program number 20004 has PID 0x 403 data 0x78 0x36 0x228 0x3

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artus:

program number 20005 has PID 0x 404 data 0x78 0x37 0x228 0x4

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artus:

program number 20101 has PID 0x 12d data 0x78 0x133 0x225 0x45

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juski:

artus

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juski:

use a pastebin

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artus:

how do I do that ?

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artus:

sorry ... I am newbie

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juski:

how do you copy text from a terminal and paste it into pastebin.ca ?

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juski:

being a newbie is never an excuse for anything

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artus:

pastebin.ca ?

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seth|laptop:

Use http://pastebin.ca/

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juski:

www.pastebin.ca

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D-side:

heh

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juski:

you know, like the welcome message says when you first log in

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juski:

:)

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LabMonkey:

or

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LabMonkey:

you could just ignore the welcome message

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LabMonkey:

and the topic

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artus:

use pastebin is not so clear I have to admit :)

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D-side:

of course. reading is hard work.

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artus:

if you do not know what it is

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LabMonkey:

. . .

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artus:

but now I know it

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artus:

sorry again

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janneg:

juski: to maintain the alpha of the logo use <alpha>180</alpha> instead of the <alphapulse/>

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hobophobe:

If this amp had any information I could research it, but it just this black plastic tube/clamp that says "amp" on it

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hobophobe:

You'd think the manufacturer would want their name on it

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juski:

janneg: thanks.

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D-side:

NICE

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D-side:

parallels just dropped a deuce right on my head

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hobophobe:

I'd try to open it but I hate opening plastic stuff it always wants to break.

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juski:

janneg: doesn't explain why the cpu usage was only seen sometimes though, but I'm happier :)

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janneg:

I'm not sure if I restarted the frontend every time I switched the paint engine

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Linuxkrn|wrk:

juski: I read the wiki, but I'm a bit confused... does it mean that if you have > nvidia 4/5 cards you don't get a color OSD?

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juski:

Linuxkrn|wrk: depends on the card you have & whether it has overlay or not IIRC

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juski:

some nvidia 6xxx series cards don't support chromakey OSD AFAIK

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Linuxkrn|wrk:

hum, since this is a quardo4 I don't know what geforce series that matches, it's NV25 if that helps

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juski:

just try it out & see what happens. the worst outcome is that it doesn't do what you need & you'll have to buy a new card

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Linuxkrn|wrk:

so the OSD you're taking about is the blue/red box here? http://www.mythtv.org/mythimages/blueosdone.png

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juski:

yes

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Linuxkrn|wrk:

ok, looks like Google says the NV25 is GeForce4 Ti cards

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juski:

hmmm... might not be the super-fast card I thought it was at first then, but still probably useful to you

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Linuxkrn|wrk:

it's really a NV25GL but the NV25 is GF4 Ti series. I do know the quadros had video overlays that the gf4 lacked

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deepthink:

Please help. The read and blue colors are switch when using my laptop as client.

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deepthink:

Plaing it directly on the server works ok

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deepthink:

I think my problem first appeared when I enabled Xv picture controls. Turning it off didn't help

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hobophobe:

deep, maybe try forcing non-xv as it could be retaining xv despite not having them explicitly on?

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hobophobe:

As far as cable-grounding goes, is that only a safety issue or will it also increase the quality of the signal?

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juski:

both

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deepthink:

how do I force non-xv?

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hobophobe:

deep, you can force opengl instead, not sure about forcing neither though

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hobophobe:

At least, I think you can?

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hobophobe:

mplayer -vo gl

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hobophobe:

Though this post seems to indicate myth may use xv internally otherwise..hmm

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deepthink:

hmm.. i copied on of the live recordings and mplayer -vo gl has correct colors.

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deepthink:

-vo xv is messed up.

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deepthink:

is there a way to configure xv?

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hobophobe:

It's not configurable I don't believe.. it's a feature of your video card that provides a special interface for video playback

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hobophobe:

try (in frontend) settings>tv settings>playback>2nd screen (general playback) 'user xv picture controls' turn that off if it's on?

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ilan:

hello, is there anyway to specify what video device mythtv should be outputting to? I setup mythfrontend on my powerbook, so that it connects to a mythtv backend, but when i try to play livetv or record videos the frontend says it cant /dev/nvidia0 which is the video device on the backend.

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ilan:

"cant find"

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hobophobe:

Hm.. so you can get into the menu and stuff, but when you go to watch it is trying to switch on a device you don't have

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hobophobe:

Not really sure why it would do that, or that I ever specified my video card for output to it at all?

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hobophobe:

As a possible workaround, you could try creating a symbolic link from /dev/nvidia0 to your actual device? Not sure.. I always thought various programs specified screens as something like :0:0?

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ilan:

hobophobe: right, i get the menus, etc. but when i play a video thats the error i get in the logs.

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ilan:

on my screen i just get a blank/black display

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robbins876:

how do you run a *.run app?

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hobophobe:

use chmod to make it executable first then ./file.run from that directory

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deepthink:

I solved the problem by pressing "F" and setting the hue to 50%

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hobophobe:

hehehe

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hobophobe:

Well damn, that'll do it every time.

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hobophobe:

A billion dollar tv, if your hue is set wrong it'll screw the colors up.

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Ediehow:

anyone know about the problems with paint engine opengl and themes?

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slowone:

Hi! hopefully a easy question to answer, for a hauppauge 500 mce card, would i need a sound card(s) or can i get away with just the hauppauge card??? (trying to determine what cards to buy.. if i can get away with it i would like to put a 500 in my home filserver box, and a 150 or a hd card in the box under the tv)

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juski:

slowone: you won't need sound cards to record audio from the tuner cards, no

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Ediehow:

juski: you mentioned on mythtv forums that it's something to do with updating themes

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Ediehow:

but i got the latest themes from mythtv.org:(

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Linuxkrn|wrk:

reading the wiki (pcHDTV-3000 how-to) and it says the new dvb drivers disable the use of analog portion of the pcHDTV card. is this true in 2.6.19 or .20?

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juski:

Ediehow: they're not the latest

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Ediehow:

juski: so those would also have the opengl problem?

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juski:

grab some from your local package manager

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Ediehow:

i did:(

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Ediehow:

all of those have the problem

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juski:

dunno then

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Ediehow:

it's like when i hit up or down in the menus, everything else disappears

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Ediehow:

when i am using open gl painting

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juski:

I don't use opengl myself. it's not all that flash IMHO

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Weezey:

a pcHDTV card has an S-video and a coax input, for the best picture, which one so I use from my HD receiver?

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Weezey:

s/so/do/

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Balzac2m:

Hello, anybody in?

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Balzac2m:

perferably with a WinTV PVR 150

[21:36:52]

Balzac2m:

and ubuntu 6,10 ;)

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juski:

no, nobody is here

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juski:

nobody uses ubuntu or pvr150

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juski:

:-P

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Balzac2m:

thehe ;)

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Balzac2m:

that's very sad ;)

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juski:

what's your problem? not saying I'll be able to help but if you need help, it helps to state what the problem is :)

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Balzac2m:

well, i think, my problem is that i just can't switch channels

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seth|laptop:

Weezey: svideo picture quality will be much better than coax, just make sure you also have inputs for sound, i.e like red/white

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Balzac2m:

not even with ivtv and mplayer

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Balzac2m:

which really confuses me ;)

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Weezey:

seth|laptop: if the picture is output via HDMI, is there a different capture card I should be looking for?

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juski:

Balzac2m: are you using the tv card's tuner or svideo/composite inputs?

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Balzac2m:

the tuner

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seth|laptop:

Weezey: I am not familiar with HDMI, I have plain old component video

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seth|laptop:

but I run my dish network receiver into the pvr150 with svideo and red/white

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seth|laptop:

much better than coax

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Balzac2m:

HDMI is DVI

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Balzac2m:

in a way ;)

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slowone:

hdmi is just sans analog and extra grounds in dvi spec

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kormoc:

+ sound

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Balzac2m:

Yepp, and you won't be able to capture it I guess

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Balzac2m:

At least I would be surprised

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kormoc:

if it's using HDCP, then yes, you can't capture it

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kormoc:

if it's not, you can

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Weezey:

hmm, so I'm never going to get HD recordings on my myth box?

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Balzac2m:

How? I am not aware of something with a HDMI input

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Weezey:

or DVI even

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seth|laptop:

Weezey: are you getting your HD over the air, or via the cable box?

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kormoc:

Balzac2m, there's a few specialized dvi capture devices (used mostly for game demo capturing), and a hdmi to dvi adapter

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juski:

when you consider that uncompressed HDMI has a data rate of like 5Gb/sec, try getting that across a PCI bus, then compress it with an affordable CPU

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kormoc:

Balzac2m, donno bout linux support, just saying that it could be done

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Weezey:

HD coming from expressvu, I haven't bought anything yet because I want to make sure this is all going to work,

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Balzac2m:

yeah, somehow, but not really with consumerhardware

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kormoc:

http://www.fi-llc.com/boards/Products/AccuStream170.php

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juski:

there are HDMI/DVI capture cards for broadcast & professional use but they're seriously expensive and probably not supported in Linux

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kormoc:

it's only $3000

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Balzac2m:

oh well

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Balzac2m:

Can't be a good device at this price

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Balzac2m:

way too cheap

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kormoc:

heh

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kormoc:

just saying it can be done if you have the dough

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Balzac2m:

Man, I'm freaking out, I'm trying to solve that problem for about 30 hours or so

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Weezey:

and, when all is said and done, I don't want to spend $4k on a TV only to find out that the signal is HD, but the picture's not so hot.

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kormoc:

Weezey, are you in the us?

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juski:

Weezey: you should have done some research & discovered that your options boil down to firewire, or ATSC / QAM tuners

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Balzac2m:

definately, nobody outside spends 4k on a TV ;)

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Ediehow:

anyone using opengl as paint engine?

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juski:

or HD homerun :)

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kormoc:

Ediehow, I do

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Balzac2m:

Edie: Yes, but i can't switch channels ;)

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Ediehow:

kormoc: did you have a problem when you move up or down?

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Ediehow:

for me, with opengl painting, when i do it, everything disappears

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seth|laptop:

ew, get a new theme

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seth|laptop:

some themes don't work so well with opengl

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Ediehow:

it does it for every one i tried:(

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Weezey:

juski: Canada. ATSC is supported by the pcHDTV card, is that via coax?

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kormoc:

Weezey, coax from the dish, aye

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hobophobe:

Weezey, if you can get an HD box with the much-coveted firewire out, you can us that I think?

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kormoc:

hobophobe, canada doesn't have the law that forces that

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seth|laptop:

now we are getting somewhere, you should be able to capture atrsc signal, via coax, and output to your tv, with a decent video card, that supports DVI

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hobophobe:

ah

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kormoc:

Ediehow, I don't have the problem, nope

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Weezey:

excellent.

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Ediehow:

kormoc: what theme do you use?

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kormoc:

g.a.n.t

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seth|laptop:

Ediehow: the only stock theme I used with any opengl success, was titilivus, but I don't use stock themes anymore

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Ediehow:

titilivus, the one from mythtv.org, didn't work for me either:(

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juski:

tried blootube yet?

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juski:

works fine here with opengl

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seth|laptop:

after you switched to opengl painter, did you restart the frontend, this also helped me before

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Ediehow:

seth|laptop: yeah:(

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Ediehow:

juski: blootube doesn't come by default, does it?

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** seth|laptop is a blootube theme, and OSD user **

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juski:

Ediehow: www.juski.co.uk

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juski:

but if you don't have a wide screen, don't even try it :)

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** seth|laptop runs it on a 4:3 screen :-( **

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juski:

seth|laptop: really? and it looks ok? oof

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seth|laptop:

exceleent

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seth|laptop:

s/e/l

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juski:

surprised you've not complained about stuff looking wrong/not fitting

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seth|laptop:

but it didn't look unsquashed, until I set my DisplaySize properly in the X config file

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kormoc:

his eye's are squashed just right...

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seth|laptop:

no it looks great, I'll take photos, and send them to you

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seth|laptop:

:-)

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seth|laptop:

of the theme

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kormoc:

well, when you use a squashed camera... :P

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juski:

I know what it lookey likey ;)

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seth|laptop:

my tv is a 43" projection, but it is 4:3, and the theme looks great

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seth|laptop:

i run in 800x600

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seth|laptop:

see you later on home-time

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Ediehow2:

hi

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Balzac2m:

hi

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Ediehow2:

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/justin.hornsby2/

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Ediehow2:

is that the latest blootube?

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Ediehow2:

looks like it

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Ediehow2:

hmm

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Ediehow2:

wow this theme is huge

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juski:

yup

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janneg:

juski: it doesn't look correct on 4:3, the aspect ratioof the recording previews is the most prominent error

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janneg:

but it's not a problem to use different modes for the manu and playback

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juski:

janneg: there'll be a 4:3 version at some point

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janneg:

which needs even more memory

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juski:

heh

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juski:

anyway, I've been playing around making buttons for the web remote thing

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juski:

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/justin.hornsby2/1stlook.png

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juski:

dunno how/if that'd fit on a PDA screen though

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nasa:

Hi, I have a pchdtv 5500 card. I am running mandriva with 2.6.19. I can modprobe the dvb drivers, which seem to be working. However, I can't get any signal. I have checked the antenna connections — with no change.

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Balzac2m:

sorry, ive only analog, no digital :(

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nasa:

yes, I am trying to get this working over-the-air and I checked http://antennaweb.org/aw/Stations.aspx to ensure I have stations nearby.

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nasa:

Balzac2m: well, that's me too :{

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** nasa appreciates Balzac2m letting him now his request for help is being heard.... :} **

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Balzac2m:

hehe, well

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Balzac2m:

problem is, i'm using german cable

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Balzac2m:

and have no clue

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Balzac2m:

did you try to get signal with other programs

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Balzac2m:

like kdetv or just mplayer?

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nasa:

I have been using dtvscan && dtvsignal

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Balzac2m:

Do you have another receiver?

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nasa:

nope, that's my only hdtv antenna and card.

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Ediehow2:

:()

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Ediehow2:

i have the same problem with blootube-wide:(

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nasa:

how would you test with mplayer?

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Balzac2m:

just type mplayer /dev/Devicename

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Balzac2m:

dont know the exact name

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Balzac2m:

on my pc it's /dev/video0

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nasa:

video0 is the analog drivers., not the dvb drivers (used for hd)

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Balzac2m:

well, watch out for the equivalent

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Inssomniak:

amd64 3000 or athlon xp 2800+ as a backend, which would U choose?

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kormoc:

Inssomniak, amd64 3000+ personally, but both would work fine

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BULLE:

the 3000+

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nasa:

Ok, there's a difference between dvb and atsc — but do they use the same drivers?

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Inssomniak:

there is a difference yes

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Inssomniak:

but lately atsc drivers are included as a dvb style driver

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nasa:

ok, thanks

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Inssomniak:

if I have 2 channels with the same number in 2 seperate video sources, the EPG only seems to display one of them, is there a way to say, "show video source x" on the EPG?

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GreyFoxx:

Is it the same number or is it actually the same channel as well ?

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moran:

question here... my channelguide is displaying channel information for the wrong channels any ideas?

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sandeen_:

do your channels (and maybe callsigns...) match your info source?

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moran:

i believe so, every channel appears to be off by one or two... i.e. what is displayed for ch 2 is actually on ch. 3 and so on

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sandeen_:

i had that going but can't remember how I resolved it :)

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moran:

:)

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Inssomniak:

is 100mbs fast enuff for a backend + hdtv?

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** sandeen_ does a random google and finds 19.2Mbps HDTV Broadcast **

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kormoc:

Inssomniak, most hdtv is under 20 mbit or so, so yeah

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slowone:

post broadcast? (compressed?)

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sandeen_:

compressed I think

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sandeen_:

1.5Gbps Raw HDTV was the other spec on that page :)

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kormoc:

HDTV is always compressed (unless you uncompress it)

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slowone:

sounds better ;p raw normal tv (pre broadcast) is 25mbit so..

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kormoc:

it's broadcasted as mpeg-2

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nasa:

Hey kormoc: are you familiar with the 5500?

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kormoc:

nasa, decently enough

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nasa:

Cool. From my understanding the drivers are in 2.6.19

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kormoc:

nasa, uhh, you mean a nvidia fx 5500?

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frink_:

yo

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frink_:

sup all?

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frink_:

Does anybody know how to fix "the file for this recording can not be found" on a remote front end? Everything else works OK, but recordsings are not found.. :(

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nasa:

kormoc: nope, I mean the pchdtv 5500....

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kormoc:

nasa, ooh, sorry, donno anything bout that one

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Inssomniak:

nasa,

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Inssomniak:

I have one of those

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nasa:

Inssomniak: u do?

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