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Monday, December 11th, 2006, 00:03 UTC

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Jaak_:

ok i am confused i've had this every time using mythtv, kaffeine finds all channels just fine, myth finds just a couple "transport" channels... Where is my tv!?

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kgbudz:

in your living room?

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Jaak_:

no why doesnt it find the propper channels

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FairWtns:

Anyone up on mytharchive? I can create a "native" dvd just fine. But an authored one gives me no status page. Any hints on where to look to troubleshoot?

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D-side:

FairWtns: fix that problem?

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Jaak_:

can nobody tell me how te get my backend to find propper channels?

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Jaak_:

(dvb-c)

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xris:

Jaak_: mythtv-setup

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xris:

set up xmltv properly and/or do a channel scan there.

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Jaak_:

why can't it just find the channels

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xris:

Jaak_: um, that's what a channel scan does

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Cybertoy:

jaak, hmm... where are you? NA?

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Jaak_:

NL-caiway

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xris:

Cybertoy: IP says nethernalds

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Cybertoy:

ah.. never mind then

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xris:

Jaak_: mythtv is all about scheduling shows by show, not by station/time.

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Cybertoy:

xris, IP can say anything if you use tor.

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Jaak_:

i get 10 tv/radio channels out of 170 tv / 90 radio

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xris:

you'll want xmltv (assuming there is one for NL) so you can get listings data.

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Jaak_:

on kaffeine it works fine

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Jaak_:

there is

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xris:

if not, there should be EIT data available over dvb to fill in the blanks.

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xris:

Jaak_: anyway, channel scan (what you asked for) is in mythtv-setup.

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xris:

backend won't do it on its own because it's better to set things up ONCE rather than scan every time you start it up.

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Jaak_:

yes, but i find it weird, the channels scan also finds the update transporters for setupboxes and not all the channels

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xris:

Jaak_: dunno. no dvb in the US, so I don't know much about it.

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Jaak_:

thanks for trying to help! =D

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Jaak_:

how do i quit backend? sudo /etc/cron.daily/mythtv-backend quit?

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xris:

Jaak_: man kill

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xris:

not sure why mythbackend is in your cron.daily

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xris:

the start/stop script is usually in init.d

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Jaak_:

dunno ubu distro

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noobie0057:

I'm getting an access denied error when I run mythbackend,

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noobie0057:

I didn't set the password for mysql just installed it

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Sembiance:

RUH-ROH!!!

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noobie0057:

.. so I'm asking for help, is there some step that I missed when installing mythtv?

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Sembiance:

I haven't installed myth in a while, sorry

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Cybertoy:

I did... but haven't touched the mysql stuff in a while

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Cybertoy:

do you have a user "mythtv" with password "mythtv" ?

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Cybertoy:

I think that's what it wants...

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Cybertoy:

not sure

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Jaak_:

ok, everything works

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Jaak_:

thanks

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tracy_:

any1 here struggling to get a software based tv tuner working with mythtv

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tracy_:

i was one of those, bought 2 cheap tv tuners and spend days trying to get them working... then i broke down and bought a

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tracy_:

Hauppauge WinTV-PVR 150

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Sembiance:

tracy_: sorry, I own 5 PVR 250's which are hardware MPEG encoding and they all work great in my box :)

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tracy_:

and it just works

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tracy_:

and the reason i am telling you my story, is that in the US compusa has a special on them and they going for a decent price

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tracy_:

http://www.compusa.com/products/product_info. . . . _code=316263

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tracy_:

$39.99.... none for delivery, but available for pickup if u lucky

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GreyFoxx:

nice price

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tracy_:

if i already did not have 1 of those, an HD tuner and 2 software encoded cards, I would buy another one

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Cybertoy:

not bad...

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tracy_:

but the number of times i am splitting my cable connection must be affecting the quality by now

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tracy_:

just wanted to spread the deal, hope someone finds it useful

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Sembiance:

want to buy some HD 5500 cards from me? :)

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Sembiance:

brand new in box, never used rofl

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tracy_:

oh maybe i should still buy one, does any1 know if the infra-red remote control transmitter and receiver works. the one i bought was oem

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tracy_:

Sembiance: y u selling?

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Sembiance:

tracey_: Well, I bought four of them before I found out about this: http://www.silicondust.com/zxc/content/view/5/26/

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tracy_:

interesting

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Sembiance:

yes :)

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dannyp:

I'm setting about an attempt to build an HDTV PVR with mythtv using a 2.0 GHz pentium 4 (which I'm worried might be too slow) – I'm going to try to get a videocard that I can offload as much as possible to, and feedback would be appreciated

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Snoopy:

Hi All, I've been upable to build qt-3. Everytime I try to emerge it it crashes during compilation .

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achew22:

what database contains your recording schedule?

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Sembiance:

dannyp: this machine will be both front end and back end?

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Sembiance:

dannyp: I have a mythtv box with a Athlon XP 1800+ which is a much older chip. It has 5 TV tuner cards in it (PVR 250's) and at times they all go at once with no problems at all

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dannyp:

Sembiance: I'm thinking so, yes. I have an Athlon XP 1800+ around for a frontend that I'd prefer, but I didn't think it could sustain HDTV decoding

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GreyFoxx:

achew22: "mythconverg" is the database name, "record" is the table with the recording schedules I believe

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dannyp:

Sembiance: are you operating in HD?

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Sembiance:

dannyp: I have another box that I use for my frontend which is not very fast either, probably 1.6Ghz or something. And it can decode video just fine

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Sembiance:

dannyp: No, I built the machine a few years ago it's all standard def

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Sembiance:

dannyp: I just finished picking out the parts for my new server which will be 100% HDTV with 2 or 3 HDHomeRun boxes

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dannyp:

yeah, apparently 1080 line HD is a much bigger CPU drain

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achew22:

as always thankyou GreyFoxx

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tracy_:

dannyp: i have an ati HDTV wonder in a p2.4 with 768 meg memory. i have tried very quickly to watch HD on my monitor. it is jerky. when i just record and burn to dvd it is better. i still have not figured out exactly what the problem is

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dannyp:

tracy_: I know that XvMC seems to provide a big advantage

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tracy_:

oh the other problem may be that i run FC6

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dannyp:

also, way before I was interested in MythTV, I helped a friend of mine configure his machine... we found that playing with the kernel's timeslicing was significant

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dannyp:

unfortunately I'm mainly a freebsd user, and I forget, offhand, how we tweaked the timeslices

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tracy_:

i can only spend a couple hours a week on it, and i am fixing one thing at a time

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tracy_:

that one is still way down the list

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tracy_:

as the SD tuner is working fine, and as i am not connected to the TV and burn everything to dvd before watching, it is not a major problem

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dannyp:

given that HDTV is such a standard, I'm surprised video cards aren't doing full offloading yet

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dannyp:

but if history means anything, by the time they do full offloading properly, the feature won't be needed because processors will be fast enough

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dannyp:

I wonder if the set top boxes that have firewire out can also do firewire in...

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tracy_:

Sembiance: if i was going to do it all over again, i would be buying one of those HDHomeRun's

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dannyp:

why HDHomeRun versus pcHDTV?

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tracy_:

i dont have enough pci slots in my mythtv box

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tracy_:

i wonder if it puts less load on the computer?

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tracy_:

any1 know the number of times u can split an incoming cable without boosting?

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GreyFoxx:

there is no hard rule

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GreyFoxx:

depends a lot of strength of signal coming in, quality of spliters/cables, and what you are willing to put up with

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tracy_:

so mine coming into my house has 1 internet, and 6 tv's attached

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tracy_:

anything to watch out for when buying a booster? like do some boosters not work with QAM 256 signal (or anything stupid like that)

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theshibboleth:

Where do I change the volume at which mythtv records?

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k-man:

anyone here use mythweb?

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xris:

theshibboleth: depends on what kind of card

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xris:

k-man: yes

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k-man:

i'm having trouble getting my scheduling to stick

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k-man:

i mark it as record, hit update

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k-man:

then when i refresh the program listing, it still says not recording

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theshibboleth:

xris: well, i remember that there's a menu entry somewhere for controlling that, but i can't seem to find it

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xris:

k-man: check the recording profiles page to see if you have things there

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xris:

theshibboleth: if it's anywhere, it's in the recording profiles section

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k-man:

ok

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k-man:

thanks

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Krazylegz:

Hey xris.

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theshibboleth:

xris: well that's where i looked. i think now it might be in the setup program

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xris:

heya, Kra

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xris:

Krazylegz, even

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xris:

theshibboleth: I haven't used something that gives me a choice for a long time, but I remember it being in the same place you set up the audio quality.

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xris:

if you have a hardware encoder, I don't think you get a choice.

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theshibboleth:

xris: okay

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k-man:

xris, ah, its there

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k-man:

just didn't show up on the listing page for some reason

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k-man:

thanks

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k-man:

who is the mythweb dev?

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xris:

k-man: me

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k-man:

oh...

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k-man:

really?

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xris:

yes

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k-man:

oh

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k-man:

theres this issue i get if the program description is very big (at least i think thats the cause) the popup keeps flashing up and then closing

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xris:

k-man: check the backend status and upcoming recordings pages to see if things are actually scheduled.

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k-man:

repeatedly very fast

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xris:

k-man yeah, not much to do about that.

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k-man:

xris, yeah, i did, its there and scheduled

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k-man:

xris, oh, your aware of it?

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xris:

it flashes because the browser sends mouseout events when the popup appears beneath the cursor.. which hides it and triggers a mouseover event when the cursor appears over the link again, which shows the popup and triggers mouseout, etc, etc.

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xris:

there's not really any way to fix it

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theshibboleth:

also, i'm having difficult setting up the frontend on my mac-basically i launch the application but nothing seems to happen

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k-man:

xris, ah, ok

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xris:

theshibboleth: run from the commandline with -v all and see what it says

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k-man:

xris, you know the jump to hour date box in the listings view?

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k-man:

with the arrows to skip forward and back a day?

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xris:

yes

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k-man:

may i suggest you also add arrows to skip forward and backward in hours? just like the arrows on the left and right of the screen?

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xris:

seems a little silly since they're already on the page

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xris:

I'd personally like to get rid of that box completely, but I can't think of a better way to provide the same functionality.

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xris:

anyway, gotta go. guests showing up any minute.

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k-man:

xris, well... i know that I would like to see them there, as i keep looking for them there. i guess i feel it would make it consistent with the day forward back buttons there..

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k-man:

xris, ok, thanks for listening bye

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k-man:

:)

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tracy_:

theshibboleth: u working with a software encoded card?

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theshibboleth:

tracy: no, hardware

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tracy_:

oh, ok with a hardware one, i didnt need to set it, or find aplace to set it

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theshibboleth:

ok the problem with the frontend is that it has the wrong ip address for the backend. how do i change this? the frontend isn't prompting me to choose the ip address at startup.

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tracy_:

with the software encoded card i remember playing for days with sound and never got it right

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theshibboleth:

tracy: hmm. yeah, my problem is that even with the volume at the maximum setting, it sometimes still doesn't sound loud enough. Of course, that could be a problem with my speakers too.

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theshibboleth:

so what is the name of the file that gives the ip address of the backend?

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cesman:

mysq.txt

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cesman:

mysql.txt

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sandeen:

so when I watch HDTV, the ads all come in at lower resolution, as do some non-HD shows on the digital channels. Can myth automatically scale the image for these, or do I just expect black borders?

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tracy_:

sandeen: on my tv i just get black borders, dunno if it actually comes as SD or in HD with borders

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theshibboleth:

you can change the aspect ratio with the w key

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tracy_:

ok any tips on getting a p4 2.4 to actually run HD without suddering. I'm hoping I don't need to change to something like gentoo from FC6

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tracy_:

GF5700 gfx card, playing on monitor

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hjohnson:

tracy_: use a video card that can do part of the job in hardware?

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Inssomniak:

5700 will do xvmc

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tracy_:

ok so i need to figure out xvmc

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hjohnson:

bah, i spent too much on the car...

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Inssomniak:

set the kernel timer freq to 1000

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tracy_:

i managed to get the nvidia driver running , i think

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** hjohnson factors in the retirement savings he needs to top up, plus the cost of christmas and what have you.. **

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Inssomniak:

there are patches out there to make the timer freq as high as 10000, but untried by me

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tracy_:

whoa Inssomniak, the kernel timer freq?

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tracy_:

sounds like hacking the kernal

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Inssomniak:

there are tweaks in the kernel but you have to be familiar to building kernels

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tracy_:

oh ok, been there once, and swore never to go there again, but i guess i'm on my way back

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Inssomniak:

it might help ya

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sandeen:

tracy_, I used NVAGP and turned on "fast writes," turned off OpenGL sync, chose kernel deinterlace over bob, and my 2.6Ghz almost does the job even w/o xvmc

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Inssomniak:

all those are great suggestions too, but the real power is xvmc

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tracy_:

ok thanks, given me something to work on for the next week, but probably month

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tracy_:

ok, going for xvmc first

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** tracy_ googles for wtf xvmc means **

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sandeen:

yeah I'm playing w/ xvmc bug can't get the color OSD to work, and for some reason audio is falling apart w/ it on....

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Inssomniak:

svn myth doesnt compile against directfb cvs or 0.9.25 :(

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sandeen:

tracy_, check wikipedia article

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Inssomniak:

with xvmc you get the perk of hardware bob deinterlace

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tracy_:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/XvMC < im starting there

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sandeen:

hmm my audio goes all bubbly when I turn on xvmc :(

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** sandeen thinks he should just get a new cpu **

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tracy_:

i guess because i run mythtv using rpm's, it probably does not have XvMC support

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sandeen:

tracy_, you can make it work. what distro?

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tracy_:

FC6 using atrpms

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sandeen:

tracy_, me too.

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sandeen:

edit /etc/X11/XvMCConfig

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tracy_:

and did u have to recompile myth for support?

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sandeen:

no

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sandeen:

put this line in:

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sandeen:

libXvMCNVIDIA_dynamic.so.1

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sandeen:

hmm at least I odn't think I needed to :)

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sandeen:

no, I didn't :)

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tracy_:

ok, i will skip that part and follow the rest of the wiki

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tracy_:

my XvMCConfig already had that setting

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sandeen:

thing that is driving me crazy about myth is I seem to get things running reasonably well, change one setting to see its effect, it gets worse, I change it back to whta it was and... it's still worse

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Inssomniak:

I hope myth isnt too much of a problem, Im working on installing it for better HDTV

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sandeen:

i think I just need more cpu. if my time is worth anything it'd be a good investment

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Inssomniak:

Im using a 2.2 ghz CPU, and have decoded HDTV perfectly on it

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Inssomniak:

using xvmc and a 5200 GPU

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sandeen:

nice trick.... wish I knew how

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sandeen:

p4 or athlon?

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Inssomniak:

athlon

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sandeen:

ah

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Inssomniak:

I run strict kernel configs

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sandeen:

what do you mean by that

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Inssomniak:

tailored to my hardware, high performance kernels such as nitro sources

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sandeen:

nitro sources?

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Inssomniak:

its a gentoo portage tree, although any distro could run it

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sandeen:

so magic go-fast juice that the mainline kernel maintainers are too proud to merge? :)

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Inssomniak:

this ya you dont find in mainline kernel distros

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Inssomniak:

argh myth isnt compiling for xvmc here for me!

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sandeen:

tracy_, one other thing I was going to try is to rebuild X & myth for i686... though the atrpms stuff won't rebuild nicely for me....

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tracy_:

F@#$@#$ING AMAZING it works for me

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tracy_:

sorry, i got all emotional

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tracy_:

works well, sound is fine, no more shuddering

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sandeen:

:)

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sandeen:

tracy_, out of curiosity, how much cpu usage out of myth & X?

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tracy_:

and i am doing a nuvexport on same box at same time

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** sandeen wishes he could at least get the color OSD to work **

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tracy_:

um, sandeen let me stop nuvexport and then I can tell u

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** sandeen hates watching SD now :) **

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hjohnson:

eh, I'm not willing to pay for HD.

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sandeen:

hjohnson, I'm not.

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sandeen:

I get 30 digital QAM channels over my $8.99 cable basic 1

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tracy_:

me neither

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tracy_:

me too

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hjohnson:

sandeen: wow. I don't.

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hjohnson:

I get SD.. happy happy joy joy

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hjohnson:

analog, but I do get FM radio

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tracy_:

my card is not even supposed to be able to tune QAM

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hjohnson:

(which is actually a nice feature)

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sandeen:

hjohnson, have you tried?

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GreyFoxx:

tracy, what kind of card?

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sandeen:

(if you have a card that is...)

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tracy_:

and cable company denies even having unencrypted HD

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hjohnson:

sandeen: I don't have a card.

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sandeen:

tracy_, yeah mine too *grin*

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GreyFoxx:

tracy_: of course they do :)

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tracy_:

GreyFoxx: a $50 ati HDTV wonder

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GreyFoxx:

cool, and you are using it with myth now ?

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tracy_:

can u believe i even got something ATi running on linux

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sandeen:

I think mine has the same chip, kworld atsc 110... saa7134?

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GreyFoxx:

hehe

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tracy_:

once i am finished with this box, i think i am going to nickname it "the miracle box"

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sandeen:

GreyFoxx, when db options are changed, when are they picked up, for example for playback... when you start new playback?

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GreyFoxx:

it depends on what the option is of course, but generally the next time you start whatever function that option is for

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sandeen:

k

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tracy_:

sandeen: i got rid of KDE and now running xfce

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GreyFoxx:

Myth does keep a cache of options though, so if you are manipulating the db manually it might not be seen

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tracy_:

tried to lighten the windows manager

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sandeen:

tracy_, yeah I should do that too though the WM really should just be "sitting there

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GreyFoxx:

tracy_: You are using your HDTV Wonder with myth now ?

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tracy_:

sandeen: with only mythfrontend running load = 0.2

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tracy_:

GreyFoxx: yip, and a pvr 150

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GreyFoxx:

cool

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GreyFoxx:

I wanted to pick up a card to see what is broadcast in the clear here, and if I can find one of those that cheap I just might do it

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tracy_:

sandeen: now down to 0.05... gonna watch some tv now

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sandeen:

GreyFoxx, FWIW I got my kworld card for $32 after rebate... if the rebate comes through

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sandeen:

that's exactly why I got it, to see what's in the clear

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tracy_:

sandeen: i have 2 mythfronends running, one at 60% cpu other at 40%

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GreyFoxx:

I've been told by unconfirmed souirces that a lot of stuff is locally

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sandeen:

GreyFoxx, where are you located?

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GreyFoxx:

but I was hesitant to spend money to find out that was wrong

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GreyFoxx:

sandeen_: Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

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sandeen:

ah

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tracy_:

and my load goes up tp 2.5

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sandeen:

tracy_, you should post your channels.conf to http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Working_ . . . 16_-_Comcast

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sandeen:

er.

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sandeen:

skip that last #part :)

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tracy_:

sandeen: gl on that rebate ;)

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sandeen:

yeah so I've heard

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Inssomniak:

anyone compile svn recently?

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sandeen:

but they're tricky, the thing that looks like a UPC code isn't.

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sandeen:

there's a sticker on the side that is actually the upc.

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** sandeen wonders if this is intentional :) **

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tracy_:

GreyFoxx: i got mine from buy.com with rebates for $50, i dont think it is available any longer

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GreyFoxx:

yeah, I can get the dvico cards cheaper it looks like

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tracy_:

sandeen: it is not difficult, i just let myth foind the channels

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hjohnson:

yeah, there's no free QAM in canada.

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sandeen:

tracy_, myth found only a subset for me

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GreyFoxx:

I'll check our wholesalers tomorrow

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GreyFoxx:

hjohnson: Pffft that's not true :)

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tracy_:

myth found more than zap2it had

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sandeen:

hjohnson, there is at least one working setup on that page I posted

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tracy_:

GreyFoxx: HD on my monitor is SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO sweet

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GreyFoxx:

I know of a few cable co's who are totally in the clear :) Unfortunately I don't have a feed from them :)

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hjohnson:

GreyFoxx: ok, if your cable co is Shaw or Rogers, you're screwed.

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GreyFoxx:

It's not

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tracy_:

i had a few issues with OTA, using an internal unboosted signal

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tracy_:

*antenna

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hjohnson:

hell, they encrypt everything even on the firewire port on their STBs.

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Inssomniak:

there is free qam in canada

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sandeen:

hjohnson, http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Working_ . . . .29_-_Rogers

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hjohnson:

even the stuff that's free over-the-air.

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sandeen:

*shrug*

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Inssomniak:

rogers has lots of free qam

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hjohnson:

sandeen: most i've heard is that tends to be an error on the part of rogers.. and as soon as they discover they flip on the scrambling.

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Inssomniak:

mountaincable has its basic lineup in the clear

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sandeen:

hmm

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tracy_:

it just took me awhile to figure out the tuning options in mythtv

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Inssomniak:

http://www.remotecentral.com/hdtv/rogers.htm

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sandeen:

GreyFoxx, it sure would be nice if there were any options in myth to do profiling... i.e. break down how much time deinterlacing is taking etc... that might be toughI suppose...

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Inssomniak:

^^^ clear QAM on cable rogers

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sandeen:

i just wish I had a more methodological (sp) way to figure out what's slowing me down

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sandeen:

or maybe I'm trying to squeeze blood from an orange :)

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tracy_:

sandeen: i guess if u were really serious about mythtv, u probably have to build a gentoo box

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sandeen:

eh

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sandeen:

I don't buy that :)

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tracy_:

for performance with no bloat

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GreyFoxx:

tracy_: ummm why ?

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GreyFoxx:

pffft

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Dagmar:

Reading is good.

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GreyFoxx:

I got a bridge to sell you too :)

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Dagmar:

Running Gentoo doesn't help if you don't know your ass from a hole in the ground.

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Dagmar:

...and I don't think they've made that ebuild yet.

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tracy_:

but FC6 starts up so much, with a bloated kernel etc

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sandeen:

--with-neuron-infusion?

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Dagmar:

Learning about what modules are for is a good thing.

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sandeen:

tracy_, how is the kernel bloated

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sandeen:

even if stuff is built in at worst it takes some memory

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Dagmar:

extra modules != bloat

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Dagmar:

extra modules == avoiding whining forum bitches complaining that it doesn't work on the disk controller they found in a coat closet in red China

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GreyFoxx:

too many people are stuck with the 16megs of ram, p90 cpu , 100meg harddrive way of thinking :)

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sandeen:

Dagmar, my problem with reading is I get things like "turn off opengl sync" but no explanation of why or how it might help or how to know for sure...

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Inssomniak:

svn does not compile best I can tell its something to do with xvmc :(

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tracy_:

i have found that gentoo runs faster on same hardware than a large distro

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Dagmar:

sandeen: If you *knew* what the hell those were, you'd not need to be told to turn them off when it's appropriate now, would you?

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sandeen:

or "for some people NVAGP=FOO works, for others NVAGP=BLAH is better" – where "FOO == !BLAH"

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Dagmar:

Again, clue helps dramatically with that.

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sandeen:

Dagmar, but it's a "try this" not "turn it off because ____"

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sandeen:

Dagmar, i'm trying to get a clue but I'm a fielsystem guy not a video guy :)

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Dagmar:

sandeen: Like I said the ass_from_hole_in_ground.ebuild does not exist.

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** sandeen doesn't use ebuild **

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sandeen:

and some docs that say "here is how to pull your head out of your ass and why it works better that way" are more helpful than "pull your head out of your ass"

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Dagmar:

I've written docs like that.

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Dagmar:

You know what it gets you?

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sandeen:

more questions

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sandeen:

:)

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Dagmar:

Emails complaining that what you wrote was very interesting, but had too many words in it.

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sandeen:

perhaps

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sandeen:

hard to please everyone I guess

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sandeen:

when I do filesystem testing I can break it down into components & see what is slowing me down. I just wish I knew how to do that with some of the subsystems myth is using

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Dagmar:

You just gotta learn more about hardware is all

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Dagmar:

Guys who install car stereos can know their electronics but still not be qualified to change a brake pad.

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sandeen:

so maybe if you can impart some wisdom to me about, say, opengl sync, I'll add a perfectly-worded addendum to the wiki, with not too much and not too little info :)

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tracy_:

emerge -av mythtv < seems that is all u need from gentoo

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sandeen:

sure, to get... "something"

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sandeen:

how is that better than yum intall mythtv-suite?

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Dagmar:

sandeen: It's the same thing that it does for video games. It avoids "tearing" of the images by changing what's supposed to be on the screen in mid draw

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Dagmar:

er by *avoiding* changing while it's in mid-draw that is

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sandeen:

but I take it having it on is more cpu intensive?

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sandeen:

based on my observations...

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GreyFoxx:

Assuming your nvidia driver isn't one of the "bad" ones from several versions back it isn't more CPU intensive

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sandeen:

hmm

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GreyFoxx:

if you are running 81xx you should turn it off for update

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GreyFoxx:

since those had serious cpu issues with gl vsync

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Dagmar:

Most users are just flipping switches with all the skill and cunning of a sackful of chimp anyway, so it doesn't really matter much anyway

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sandeen:

I have 9something....

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Inssomniak:

flipping on vblank is more cpu intensive yes, (the opengl sync thing)

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Dagmar:

If you documented why it's more CPU intensive, no one would read it, and if they did probably 90% of them wouldn't know what you were talking about anywya

[03:48:10]

sandeen:

Dagmar, there are -so- many switches it's pretty tough to know what to do from the lay point of view

[03:48:25]

Inssomniak:

can I talk to someone that has compiled todys SVN? anyone here do that today?

[03:48:25]

sandeen:

Dagmar, well the forums are full of whiners like me who want to play HD on outdated equipment ;-)

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GreyFoxx:

Inssomniak: My last update was yesterday

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Inssomniak:

Did ya have any trbl? I cant compile it

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Dagmar:

That's okay there was someone in here earlier today who wanted people to tell them how to install MythTV on a series 1 TiVo

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Dagmar:

I don't quite understand what part of 'mininum CPU requirement' eluded that guy

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GreyFoxx:

Ran into a complaint about a missing dvd function, but that was easy to get around

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Inssomniak:

hmm

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Inssomniak:

I get a pile of QGL_Widget errors on main.o

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GreyFoxx:

did you rerun configure or just do a make ?

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Inssomniak:

rerun configure

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Dagmar:

It's not always guaranteed to compile, dude. Pull 0.20-fixes or learn some C++

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GreyFoxx:

My only suggest is to do a make distclean, clear your ~/.ccache directory, rerun configure and compile from there

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Inssomniak:

I know what my fallbacks are

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sandeen:

Dagmar, thanks for the info, i'm honestly trying to pull my head out of my ass, and if I can learn enough i'll try to update the docs where I can :)

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tracy_:

for those that may have missed my earlier post, compusa has the pvr 150 for $39.99

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sandeen:

tracy_, noooO!

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sandeen:

ah crap, just spent $70 :(

[03:52:17]

** GreyFoxx orders a dlink dsm320 for his dad **

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tracy_:

http://www.compusa.com/products/product_info. . . . _code=316263

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tracy_:

sandeen: return it

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sandeen:

tracy_, yeah might do that. wonder if buy.com makes me pay shipping back both ways if I return it :) (free shipping to stat with)

[03:53:11]

tracy_:

i must say the pvr 150 must be the cheapest easiest card to set up for mythtv

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** Inssomniak pulls fixes :( **

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tracy_:

the next person trying to set up a software based card needs to get shot

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Dagmar:

heheh

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sandeen:

true

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sandeen:

:)

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Inssomniak:

whats wrong with software based cards?

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Dagmar:

Now you see why so many of us are all "JUST BUY A @#$@$ PVR-xxx CARD"

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** tracy_ looking down at a waste of money 2 software cards **

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Dagmar:

Inssomniak: Because framegrabbing sucks

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sandeen:

I have several bttv cards from years ago when I wrote some audio drivers for them

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Inssomniak:

you use the pvr150 for TV out? or does it have a mpeg encoder on it?

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GreyFoxx:

Inssomniak: mpeg encoder on it

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sandeen:

started with that while I waited for the pvr-150 to come... yeeesh.

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Inssomniak:

no good for me, Im all digital

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tracy_:

sandeen: with 2 cards i could NEVER get the sound working

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sandeen:

Inssomniak, then you don't need them

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sandeen:

but then nor do you have to do any software encoding

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sandeen:

s/nor/neither or whatever :)

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Inssomniak:

lol

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tracy_:

either mono, or a high pitch sound, or no sound

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tracy_:

oh, after i got it to sync up

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tracy_:

just for info, can or has any1 ever set myth to automatically run a nuvexport to Xvid after mythcommflag ?

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Inssomniak:

anyone know if qt on gentoo is compiled with thread support using ebuild?

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tracy_:

Inssomniak: emerge -pv =x11-libs/qt-3* ? does that tell?

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quantum:

does anyone know what the .asoundrc file affects exactly

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Mattwj2005:

hey all :)

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Mattwj2005:

I am doing some HR HDTV encoding

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Mattwj2005:

wish me luck....

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asd26:

hail

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asd26:

how does one ajust colors in mythtv

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Mattwj2005:

what is wrong?

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Mattwj2005:

how are the colors messed up?

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asd26:

nope i just want tp perfect it

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Mattwj2005:

oh....no idea then :-P

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Mattwj2005:

it should be pretty good all ready....just my guess

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Mattwj2005:

I have never had to mess with the colors at all

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asd26:

I have s-video to compsite cable

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Mattwj2005:

oh okay

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Mattwj2005:

sounds good

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Mattwj2005:

with my mythbox I just want it on my laptop

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Mattwj2005:

I grab the files from over the network

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Mattwj2005:

I am going to be creating a xbox frontend within the next week or so

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sid:

How much does TiVO cost?

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xris:

sid: more than mythtv

[06:11:29]

xris:

(monthly, anyway)

[06:12:23]

sid:

xris: Can I just buy the box and not pay monthly fees?

[06:12:34]

xris:

sid: this isn't exactly the right place to ask

[06:12:35]

Mattwj2005:

I am looking forward to my xbox frontend :)

[06:12:49]

sid:

xris: Well i want to make a MythTV box.

[06:12:56]

xris:

sid: we're more the types who would tell you why you would want to run mythtv instead of tivo

[06:13:19]

sid:

xris: I want to buy a TiVO box and replace the mobo and then make it MythTV

[06:13:39]

xris:

sid: doesn't work that way.

[06:13:41]

sid:

The tv-out/capture/hdd/psu/case are all good right?

[06:13:54]

sid:

Only the motherboard is infected with tpm chips and other trusted computing shit no?

[06:13:54]

xris:

no, tivo is all custom hardware

[06:14:07]

sid:

What do you mean "custom"?

[06:14:28]

xris:

meaning you wouldn't be able to use anything except the hdd, and maybe the psu and case.

[06:14:44]

sid:

xris: hmm

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Mattwj2005:

plus having monthly fees sucks

[06:15:04]

sid:

Well if I can get a TiVO box cheap(less then 50) then it's worth the hdd/psu/case imho

[06:15:30]

sid:

And I'll rip off the TiVO logos and put MythTV on it.

[06:15:38]

xris:

sid: or, you're paying $50 for a crappy maxtor 40G hard drive

[06:15:50]

sid:

xris: But the psu/case are good no?

[06:15:55]

xris:

no clue

[06:16:06]

sid:

I feel like I should rip off TiVO if possible.

[06:16:07]

xris:

my guess is that it's not a standard mini itx board

[06:16:19]

xris:

and certainly no room to put a capture card or agp card

[06:16:28]

sid:

They did cheat the GPL's spirit and add restrictions to the softwaree that was designed/licensed to give freedom.

[06:16:49]

xris:

why rip off tivo? they're a good company. the f'd with the gpl a bit, but they followed the letter of the law.

[06:16:55]

sid:

So they basically took away freedom from software that was designed/licensed to give freedom.

[06:16:59]

xris:

they have to fight legal battles just like the rest of us.

[06:17:01]

sid:

I want to rip them off if possible.

[06:17:18]

sid:

And a TiVo undersells what it's worth right? so if I buy a tivo and don't do the monthly subscription I'll be good no?

[06:17:42]

xris:

you'll be stuck with a tivo that doesn't have a subscription. it won't do you much good for anything else,

[06:17:53]

xris:

FAR better off just buying appropriate hardware to start with.

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sid:

I'll rip out the pci cards and motherboard/cpu

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xris:

there are no pci cards

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sid:

Then put in a new board/cards/cpu

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sid:

whatever the cards are, I'll throw them away

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Mattwj2005:

a tivo montly subscription is crazy....they really are not doing much for you

[06:18:23]

sid:

I just want the case/psu.

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xris:

you won't be able to FIT a standard motherboard/etc in that case.

[06:18:34]

Mattwj2005:

a few tv schedules that is about it

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sid:

A mini-itx will fit no?

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xris:

sid: mobo *might*, assuming that it has the proper mounts.. and the psu connector is the same.

[06:19:14]

xris:

but pci/agp won't

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xris:

you'd need a riser, and then you'd only get one or the other, not both.

[06:19:29]

sid:

I don't care about mounts, I'll just velcrow it to the case.

[06:19:37]

xris:

and you'd probably still have to cut a hole in the back of the box to fit.

[06:19:38]

sid:

and sawsall off anything in my way.

[06:19:50]

sid:

That's fine. I'll cut a hole if need be.

[06:20:09]

sid:

A case and psu from newegg would cost more then what a TiVO costs, so why not?

[06:20:09]

xris:

seems more work/effort/money than it's worth to get a crappy case and psu designed to feed a strongarm proc.

[06:20:26]

metalac:

yeah i don't see the logic sid

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xris:

sid: personally, my time is worth something to me.

[06:20:29]

sid:

So I'll get a strongarm proc

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xris:

sid: do you even know what that is?

[06:20:56]

sid:

an architecture

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xris:

really low power

[06:21:04]

sid:

Does mythtv compile on arm?

[06:21:07]

sid:

yes, so no fans needed

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metalac:

it's not like you can go and buy it off the shelf

[06:21:16]

sid:

you can order it on newegg.com

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xris:

sid: yes, arm is generally x86 compatible.

[06:21:48]

metalac:

sid: where on newegg?

[06:21:51]

xris:

sid: you're digging yourself into a hole where a few extra $$ spent would make your life SOOO much easier.. for one, you'd be able to record/play HD if you went with better hardware.

[06:22:07]

xris:

sid: most arm/c3 type solutions are integrated. usually nano ITX

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metalac:

how much are tivo's anyways? $200 or so?

[06:23:08]

sid:

metalac: I guess not.

[06:23:23]

metalac:

for that kind of money you could get a DAMNN good case and power supply

[06:23:51]

metalac:

and you really don't know how much money tivo is spending on making their hardware, they might break even for all we know

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xris:

sid: most tivo boxes come cheap if you sign a contract

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xris:

and I know that the HD tivo is quite expensive. last I heard, somewhere around $800

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metalac:

and for

[06:25:31]

metalac:

that money you can get a really good pc that will do HD and more

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xris:

yup

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sid:

Is there a buyers guide on Mythtv website? like exactly what to buy.(low/medium/high priced on separate pages)

[06:27:06]

sid:

anything like that or no?

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metalac:

well what do you want to do

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metalac:

we can tell you here

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xris:

sid: changes too quickly. best just to ask those who know.

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k-man:

tivo is probably good if you want someone else to manage the system for you

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k-man:

i find mythtv does require a bit of supporting from time to time

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metalac:

k-man: just about everytime a new version comes out ;)

[06:29:10]

k-man:

metalac, well..

[06:29:13]

k-man:

i dunno

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sid:

metalac: I have a digital cable box, and a crappy 25 inch tv(composite only, no svideo)

[06:29:28]

metalac:

sid: what digital cable box?

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xris:

sid: HD digital box or SD?

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k-man:

other things seem to have issues, or some feature doesn;t work and I have to work out why and fix it

[06:29:41]

sid:

I just wanted to be able to record science/discovery/history channels, and watch them again at a decent quality(about the same as the tv)

[06:29:51]

sid:

let me check, brb

[06:30:52]

sid:

scientific atlantic explorer 4200

[06:31:03]

sid:

Is it possible to build a decent machine like this for under $250 USD?

[06:31:17]

metalac:

do you need HD?

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metalac:

does that box have firewire out?

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xris:

sid: $250 is pretty cheap

[06:31:41]

sid:

no, my tv isn't hd, and I'm poor so I don't see myself having hd in the next decade or so.

[06:31:48]

sid:

under $300 USD?

[06:32:03]

metalac:

you can probably do SD for that kind of money

[06:32:06]

sid:

metalac: I only see usb

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xris:

sid: HD cable box will let you record via firewire... but no guarantee which channels you'll get.

[06:32:19]

metalac:

all you need is a 1ghz+ for SD

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sid:

What is SD?

[06:32:40]

metalac:

standard definition

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xris:

sid: if all you care about is analog cable, you'll want a pvr-150 pci card, and I recommend you get one from compusa soon, since it's on rebate for $40 (search techbargains.com for the link)

[06:32:46]

metalac:

standard TV basically

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sid:

xris: And for tv-out?

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sid:

Do I need any binary blob for the hauppauge cards? or is it 100% free/libre drivers?

[06:35:27]

xris:

sid: nvidia 5200 or better

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xris:

sid: you'll need a firmware file

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metalac:

sid: just get any nvidia card that has tv-out, but it depends what you have for input on TV

[06:35:39]

xris:

drivers are free, though

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sid:

Well my tv only has composite input.

[06:36:11]

xris:

(yet another reason why tivo couldn't release stuff — hardware companies that make the encoder wouldn't let them)

[06:36:24]

xris:

sid: you'll want the anti-flicker (aka deinterlace) built into the nvidia cards.

[06:36:41]

xris:

5200 is great (I have one), but a couple bucks more for a 6200 is probably worth it.

[06:36:43]

xris:

brb

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sid:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814143052 ?

[06:38:51]

metalac:

that'll do

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metalac:

just make sure to get pci-e board

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sid:

So $100 USD for the capture(pvr 150, and that nvidia card), and get a $200 USD dell(only tower) and that's it?

[06:39:31]

metalac:

also for nvidia to get best performance and features you'd probably want to stick with binary drivers

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sid:

Does intel make any tv-out cards?

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metalac:

pretty much, make sure you have enough disk space

[06:40:25]

metalac:

intel does, but haven't heard much about them and drivers

[06:40:39]

sid:

metalac: You know the model #?

[06:40:46]

sid:

metalac: Their drivers are free.

[06:41:04]

metalac:

the question is if the drivers support tv-out

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sid:

metalac: All the xorg developers recommend them. They're the best for GNU/Linux systems from what I've heard. and they give you freedom. imho the best choice

[06:41:21]

sid:

metalac: I bet the drivers do.

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metalac:

but crappy performance

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sid:

Intel's cards are supported the best out of any.(compared to AMD/Nvidia)

[06:41:41]

metalac:

well open source nvidia drivers have issues with tv-out

[06:41:45]

sid:

Well it's tv-out

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sid:

how much performance is needed

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metalac:

depends on the cpu you get

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metalac:

if you want to do xvmc you'll need a decent video card

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sid:

metalac: Well those drivers were reverse engineered.

[06:42:20]

sid:

the intel drivers are from intel

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metalac:

but intel ones are not 100% xvmc compatible anyways

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xris:

sid: pvr-150 should only be $40

[06:42:50]

sid:

I'll get an older ATI model card.

[06:43:05]

sid:

Since I know I can use free/libre "ati" driver instead of "nvidia" or "fglrx" drivers.

[06:43:24]

xris:

sid: no tv out with the radeon driver (that I know of)

[06:43:31]

metalac:

tv-out doesn't work with newest radeon

[06:43:34]

sid:

Even though ATI's support is terrible compared to Nvidia. they both suck imho since they're both non-free.

[06:43:39]

metalac:

some OLDDDD ati cards had tv-out

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sid:

xris: damn

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sid:

There must be an older card(pre 9150) that supports tv-out

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metalac:

you're taking this non-free thing to an anal level i haven't seen in years

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xris:

sid: you're not going to be able to do this with pure Free software

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metalac:

i mean you do use a non-free BIOS, right?

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sid:

metalac: I'll be getting an amd based board for linuxbios also.

[06:44:26]

xris:

heck, half of the stuff in mythtv isn't Free, either.

[06:44:28]

xris:

mp3, etc.

[06:44:38]

sid:

That's free software.

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metalac:

mp3 codec isn't

[06:44:45]

sid:

It's just infringing on patents.

[06:44:47]

xris:

sid: no it's not

[06:44:53]

sid:

It's still free softwware.

[06:44:57]

xris:

it's in direct violation of the GPL

[06:44:59]

sid:

It's just illegal free software.(If you live in USA)

[06:45:09]

xris:

sid: not just the US

[06:45:19]

sid:

The mp3 patent isn't in Europe iirc

[06:45:26]

sid:

It's only for the american.s

[06:45:30]

xris:

mpeg itself surely is, then.

[06:45:33]

xris:

it's a licensed codec

[06:45:36]

sid:

America has the worst patent system in the world.

[06:45:45]

sid:

mpeg has over 600 patents heh.

[06:45:47]

xris:

sid: actually, I think Italy and AU have it worse.

[06:45:55]

xris:

well, for draconian tech laws, anyway.

[06:46:05]

sid:

It literally took them longer to negotiate patent licensing for mpeg-2 then to actually create the standard.

[06:46:18]

sid:

But iirc, again doesn't apply in Europe

[06:46:20]

xris:

anyway, there's NO way that you can build a completely Free-free system for mythtv. might as well get one that actually WORLS.

[06:46:21]

xris:

WORKS.

[06:46:28]

xris:

at least the nvidia drivers don't violate any licenses.

[06:46:38]

sid:

Most of South America and Asia don't even recongize software idea patents.

[06:46:50]

xris:

sid: but you're in the US.

[06:46:51]

sid:

And the countries in Europe that do have a strict hold on them.

[06:46:57]

sid:

xris: sadly yes

[06:47:06]

sid:

xris: But I just break the patent laws here.

[06:47:13]

sid:

and the copyright laws for that matter.

[06:47:22]

sid:

(I play a dvd from blockbuster on my Debian GNU/Linux laptop)

[06:47:35]

xris:

and yet for some reason you freak out if your new mythtv system has a REALLY good binary video card driver on it.

[06:47:45]

metalac:

ahahahaha

[06:48:12]

sid:

xris: I prefer to support Intel since they have an open source driver policy.

[06:48:18]

sid:

If it's feasible.

[06:48:33]

sid:

If not, I'll probably swallow the evil proprietary driver and use that card.

[06:48:33]

xris:

sid: no tv out, or crappy at best.

[06:48:58]

xris:

and their open source policy isn't as good as you might think (my company works with them on a lot of that stuff for network/storage products)

[06:49:00]

sid:

What about an old ati card? does AMD/ATI still make pre-9150 cards?

[06:49:10]

sid:

xris: Well wireless is exempt.

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sid:

Since Intel has contracts with countries like Japan etc, that lock down their electromagnetic spectrum. Japan won't allow them to have open drivers. They want to control all wireless devices.(as one example)

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metalac:

they have a lot of exemption they are just like any other company, don't worship them

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sid:

yea, and the specs for their graphics cards aren't open.

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xris:

sid: I'm talking stuff like gigE and fibre channel, not wireless

[06:50:20]

sid:

So if there is a problem, you basically have to guess registers.

[06:50:31]

sid:

but it's still the best the free software community has for graphics. imho

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xris:

sid: again, why not just use the drivers that work best?

[06:50:57]

xris:

at least nvidia listens to the open source community and provides up to date drivers.

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sid:

xris: Because I don't want to use drivers that give me a local root privege escalation vulnerability?

[06:51:27]

sid:

xris: And I want freedom.

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sid:

yea, nvidia is definitely way better then ati

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metalac:

sid: freedom to do what?

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xris:

sid: sounds more like removing freedom of choice.

[06:52:00]

sid:

But at least ati gives documentation for their older cards, so drivers can be written for the older cards.(good drivers imho)

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Mattwj2005:

the problem is most open source software runs on closed source hardware

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Mattwj2005:

I think the open source community has done a great job though

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metalac:

sid: btw to go around that escalation vulberability just dissable RenderAccel In X

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xris:

sid: same problem with stuff like the pvr-150. Hauppauge WANTED to help ivtv so the driver could be available for linux, but the companies making other chips for the cards prevented them from doing so.

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sid:

xris: What is ivtv?

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metalac:

sid: driver for pvr-150

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xris:

sid: ivtv is the linux driver for the hauppauge hardware encoder cards like the pvr-150

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xris:

gpl, in the kernel (eventually), but still requires firmware files from hauppauge for the cards to actually run.

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sid:

ahh

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sid:

ahh fuck it, I'll use the nvidia card

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sid:

But if there is ever a decent choice where I can use all free software I'll do that in the future.

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metalac:

sid: trust me we all would, but for now you just have to use what works

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xris:

sid: so would many of us.

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sid:

I'm waiting on that open graphics project

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sid:

heh

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sid:

hopefully their next graphics card has an embeded mpeg-2 chip integrated

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sid:

http://lists.duskglow.com/mailman/listinfo/open-graphics

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metalac:

man i wish somebody could come out with some HDTV decoder cards

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metalac:

sigmadesigns have chips for it, but so far i didn't see any cards

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xris:

metalac: just needs a fast cpu

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metalac:

i know but traditionally these cards have better quality and don't use any CPU almost

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xris:

metalac: that'd always be nice.

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metalac:

xris: yep :)

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metalac:

anyways sleep time

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metalac:

have a good night/morning/day guys :)

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Mattwj2005:

anyone in the room?

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quicksilver:

no

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SeyToN:

just a quick question, will mythtv work fine with a p3 500mhz?

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quicksilver:

for some things

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quicksilver:

don't even think about HD

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SeyToN:

just for a mp3 player

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quicksilver:

for an mp3 player, no problem at all

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SeyToN:

thanks

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quicksilver:

(I don't htink mythtv is a particularly good mp3 player though)

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SeyToN:

what would u recommend?

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quicksilver:

I'm not an expert I'm afraid. xmms, perhaps

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SeyToN:

hmmm i was thinking to get a mp3 and music video box for my tv

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quicksilver:

you certainly could use myth

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quicksilver:

and it would do the video bit nicely :)

[10:27:18]

quicksilver:

most people find it's mp3 player interface a bit clunky, that's all

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SeyToN:

thanks mate

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LabMonkey:

is it just me or has there been no movement on the windows port for months?

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Zider:

I doubt any developer cares much about a windows port ;)

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fourcheeze:

anyone here using mythfrontend on OSX?

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GreyFoxx:

LabMonkey: If you are referring to the branch in svn from the SoC it never went anywhere

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GreyFoxx:

the student submitted a couple patches but that's it

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LabMonkey:

GreyFoxx: yeah that's what I meant

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LabMonkey:

I primarily want a win32 mythfrontend to do my commercial flagging

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LabMonkey:

GreyFoxx: although one could also say that minmyth seems to be dead too

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GreyFoxx:

LabMonkey: minimyth seems to be very active

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GreyFoxx:

or did you mean, winmyth which I believe is dead

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kslater:

happy monday morning (to you EST timezoners)

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GreyFoxx:

LabMonkey: There is a new win player out there I saw mentioned on the lists

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GreyFoxx:

and FYI,. the frontend doesn't do commercial flagging

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nelius:

How can i use my mpeg2 hardware-decoder chip with mythtv?

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ivor:

nelius: what's your mpeg2 hardware-decoder chip

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ivor:

ah I see you other chat... :)

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kslater:

ivor – with a CN400 chipset (epia SP 13000) which goes in XvMCConfig: libviaXvMC.so.1 or libviaXvMCPro.so.1?

[14:07:15]

kslater:

doesn't seem to be a definitive answer in the mailing list

[14:07:23]

ivor:

pro.

[14:07:42]

kslater:

what happens if you have the non-pro version?

[14:07:51]

kslater:

just worse performance?

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ivor:

green crap all over screen. :)

[14:09:52]

kslater:

well I'm confused then.

[14:10:11]

kslater:

It's that way on my primary FE and I never noticed until just now

[14:10:33]

ivor:

if you have a recent X driver then it'll automagically use the right one.

[14:10:40]

kslater:

aha

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kslater:

I was hoping for a performance boost. :-(

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ivor:

you have checked it's using xvmc? :)

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kslater:

not that it's needed for SD stuff, but for HD stuff I seem to not be processor bound, but I don't get the framerate required

[14:13:37]

kslater:

it must be b/c it works fine with no CPU load problems

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ivor:

eh. so you have no CPU load issues but the framerate is off?

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kslater:

right. I don't get it. I run X at 800 x 600. Xine scales and plays back HD recordings without problems.

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ivor:

ah. ok so it's just a myth software issue. that's different. :)

[14:17:30]

kslater:

but in myth I can only playback 720p reocordings and even there it's choppy audio

[14:17:45]

kslater:

framerate was reported as 49fps I think on my last test

[14:18:23]

kslater:

was hoping that libXvMC vs libXvMCPro might be worth something there

[14:18:37]

ivor:

nah, one works, one doesn't.

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kslater:

so there's a difference in how xine plays back vs myth

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seth|laptop:

question. when my mythcommflag runs, it nices to 17, is there a way to make it default to 19? other than watching it in top, and changing it all the time.

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kslater:

ivor – is this the issue that's being worked on in the -vid branch?

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ivor:

don't think anyone's working on it.

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ivor:

juski's been muttering about his epia performance for the past few weeks.

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quicksilver:

minor issue with the built-in DVD player, by the way. If you pause, your DVD will naturally spin down, then when you unpause playback skips while it gets up to speed.

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juski:

afternoon

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Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : +v juski

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quicksilver:

afternoon

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juski:

trying to fix my car's fan heater resistor at the mo'

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kslater:

juski – Ivor and I were just discussing EPIA playback performance and your name came up.

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juski:

yeah?

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juski:

it got crap as of recently

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kslater:

you're using svn?

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juski:

nah -fixes

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ivor:

14:25 < kslater> ivor – is this the issue that's being worked on in the -vid branch?

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ivor:

14:36 < ivor> don't think anyone's working on it.

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ivor:

14:36 < ivor> juski's been muttering about his epia performance for the past few weeks.

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juski:

I don't like my edges to be bloody ;)

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kslater:

got it

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juski:

yeah I've only been 'mutterring' because I'm too busy to properly investigate it

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juski:

I can live with it, but it's been much much better in the past

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kslater:

I thought that I heard about some work being done to rectify playback performance in myth with that of xine for EPIA XvMCPro users

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kslater:

but I could be just dreaming

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gurft:

I'm having a silly problem with my nvidia card. on some occastions when either my frontend bails, or when coming out of some of my mythgame emulators, Overscan just goes away. I end up with a black border all the way around the screen on my tv.

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gurft:

If I exit the frontend, this stays, even on the GDM login screen, even after restartin gthe X server

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gurft:

anyone seen thiis before?

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juski:

gurft: run nvidia-settings -l

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gurft:

what will it do?

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juski:

when x restarts, nvidia-settings needs to be re-run – if you set your overscan with nvidia-settings anyway

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gurft:

I set my overscan in the XF86Config file...

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juski:

xf86? eew

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juski:

restarting X should reload it

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juski:

or you could just work around it with nvidia-settings

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gurft:

Hence my confusion, anger, pain, and tears...

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juski:

of course finding out why myth is crashy & stopping it would be altogether better ;)

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gurft:

Once my wife fires out this kid, I have 4 weeks off. We'll tackle that one when I have time.

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gurft:

it only happens occasionally.

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gurft:

(the crashing, not firing out the kid)

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GreyFoxx:

gurft: I've run into that

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GreyFoxx:

It annoyed me enough that I auto run a script after every game exits to reset the overscan and such

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gurft:

GreyFoxx: crap. not elegant but I guess it works

[14:59:05]

GreyFoxx:

the nvidia driver doesn't properly reset the overscan after a mode change

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GreyFoxx:

BUT it thinks it is still overscanning

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GreyFoxx:

so I have to do 2 overscan changes to get back to the original heh

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gurft:

Where did you setup your scripts to reset the overscan? Did you put a wrapper around your emulator executables.

[14:59:46]

Inssomniak:

I ned help :)

[14:59:49]

Inssomniak:

need! :)

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GreyFoxx:

gurft: Nope I added code to svn to let you chain commands with a ; in the commandline

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GreyFoxx:

and then call it after the emulator exits

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Inssomniak:

I cant get the svn 0.20-fixes branch to compile either

[15:00:31]

gurft:

Did that get committed in the .20 release?

[15:01:16]

GreyFoxx:

gurft: Nope, I added it after 0.20

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Inssomniak:

anyone care to look: http://pastebin.ca/275409

[15:01:35]

GreyFoxx:

But you could do something similar with a wrapper shell script if you wanted

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gurft:

That's what I'm thinking. I'll just knock out a generic script, have the commandline set to . nvidia-hack-games.ksh MAME %s and have nvidia-hack-games.ksh figure out which emulato and kick it off.

[15:02:44]

GreyFoxx:

http://pastebin.ca/275410 that is the script I'm using. It resets my overscan, video mode since some emulators don't reset it back properly, and m y ficker settings

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GreyFoxx:

That would do it

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gurft:

Do you really need the FlickerFilter? I've never set it before, as I havn'et noticed flicker.

[15:03:45]

GreyFoxx:

Ialways run my overscan at 100%(25), but after the driver gets into the messed up state it THINKS it's already at 25 so I have to force it to 24 first then back to 25

[15:04:06]

GreyFoxx:

gurft: that line basically turns off the flicker filter

[15:04:15]

GreyFoxx:

it defautts to like 127

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gurft:

AHHH, okay.

[15:04:30]

GreyFoxx:

turning it off vastly improved the image on the screen

[15:05:40]

gurft:

I will give it a try. Last question, you're running your screen at 740x480 instead of 800x600. any particular reason?

[15:05:49]

GreyFoxx:

720x480

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gurft:

That's what I meant. Is that so it matches your video file resolution

[15:06:03]

GreyFoxx:

full NTSC resolution, (and full DVD res)

[15:06:11]

GreyFoxx:

I try to avoid scaling

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gurft:

I will definately give that a try also.

[15:06:22]

GreyFoxx:

I also record at 720x480

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gurft:

As do I, never made the mental connection though to set the output res to that.

[15:07:36]

GreyFoxx:

Modeline "720x480-tv" 14.350 720 760 824 912 480 484 492 525 interlace

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GreyFoxx:

That's the modeline I use

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Inssomniak:

:(

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nelius:

hi

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nelius:

my mythtv does not find any programms in programm scan (dvb-s)

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Inssomniak:

http://pastebin.ca/275409 <--- Anyone know what causes this compilation error?

[15:14:11]

nelius:

if i provide a channel file for xine, i can tune the channels, but i don't know if i can also proviede a channel.conf for myth

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kslater:

xine can tune OTA HD channels?

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nelius:

i don't know what OTA-HD channels are, but with xine i can wath telly from dvb-s :-)

[15:16:04]

kslater:

I think dvb-s is similar to HD ATSC in the states

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nelius:

i c

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kslater:

is this via the gui or is there a url syntax for this magic?

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nelius:

i just put a channel.conf in the .xine dir, and than it goes via the gui

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kslater:

myth doesn't use a channel.conf by the way.

[15:17:31]

nelius:

yeah, thats my problem :-)

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kslater:

but it should scan for channels when you define the card I believe

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kslater:

at least it did for me

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nelius:

the scan command from the dvb-utils can tune the channels, so i guess my card is *generally* working.

[15:18:23]

nelius:

i can scan, but the scan find's nothing

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nelius:

for the scan utility on commandline, i need to define that i want to scan a certain sattelite, but i can't do so in myth

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kslater:

juski?

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nelius:

?

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kslater:

sorry nelius, I'm new to this and I'm not familiar with the UK gear

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kslater:

new to the dvb capture scene that is

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GreyFoxx:

Inssomniak: did you do a make distclean , and clear your ccache ?

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nelius:

i c

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** nelius wonders if someone is arround with knowlege on dvb-s... **

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Inssomniak:

GreyFoxx, I think I found it, it was that I enabled opengl use flag in gentoo after I compiled QT

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GreyFoxx:

Inssomniak: Doh, that would likely do it :)

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** sandeen reads a howto "you need to configure your system for 30fps, anything less than that (23, 24 etc) will cause video stuttering" **

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sandeen:

*grin*

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Inssomniak:

nelius, I have lots of dvb-s knowledge but none pertaining to myth (yet)

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** nelius looks at dict.leo.org the meaning of the word pertaining :-) **

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nelius:

Inssomniak: ok i see, you can't help me :-)

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Inssomniak:

no, not yet, I hope I can help myself when the time comes, I have 4 dvb cards, 3 dvb-s and one dvb driver based atsc card

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nelius:

Inssomniak: what i have found out so far is: a "complete" frequency scan is not possible with linux. Is this correct?

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Inssomniak:

blind scan?

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Inssomniak:

that is not possible at the hardware level on most dvb-s cards

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Inssomniak:

the only card that I know that can do that is a rev 2.3 skystar 2 card

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nelius:

so one has to have an idea where the programms are, and then check if they are really present... right?

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Inssomniak:

what provider are you trying to scan?

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nelius:

astra 19,2

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nelius:

but i can't define this in myth, or at least i havn't found it

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Inssomniak:

not familiar with that one

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nelius:

well with the dvb-tools i can do a "scan" .../astra192 on the console, and it "finds" the channels

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LabMonkey:

GreyFoxx: I know the frontend doesn't do the commflag job... I'm talking about when I edit my cutlists... I'd like to do that on my windows machine and then tell the backend to run a user job

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gurft:

where in my gdm config would I put nvidia-settings -l?

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GreyFoxx:

LabMonkey: You coudl do that in myth in a vmware session :)

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LabMonkey:

GreyFoxx: hmm... minimyth inside vmware... that just might do the trick! :D

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GreyFoxx:

I always have a couple vm's around and at least one always has myth in it heh

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LabMonkey:

you have a relatively small vmx?

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LabMonkey:

that I might beg off of you, I mean?

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LabMonkey:

well.. it'd have to be the whole directory .tgz

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LabMonkey:

but I presume you know what I mean

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GreyFoxx:

Nope, no small ones around. just a bunch litered with all kinds of stuff. I do a lot of dev work on then when I'm stuck away from my office/home

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LabMonkey:

yeah my last programming job I slapped mythfe on the laptop and used it like that some times

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LabMonkey:

and the job involved lots of vmware images

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GreyFoxx:

though annoyingly multicast traffic doesn't appear to make it through to the internal machine making working on the upnp stuff a pain

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LabMonkey:

so I passed them around amongst the rest of my machines

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LabMonkey:

hmm

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LabMonkey:

run linux-igd on the host?

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GreyFoxx:

hadn't heard of that until now, just looking at it's page

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LabMonkey:

pretty simple imo

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GreyFoxx:

But that wouldn't help

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LabMonkey:

fit right into shorewall

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GreyFoxx:

it works if the host is a linux box

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LabMonkey:

yeah

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GreyFoxx:

but if the host is a windows machine the multicast traffic doesn't make it

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LabMonkey:

winxp has a UPnP "serviec"

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GreyFoxx:

and my work laptop is a windows machine

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LabMonkey:

service*

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GreyFoxx:

and that will act as a upnp gateway ?

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LabMonkey:

I don't know if it catches multicast, but I think it will, yeah

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LabMonkey:

I'm not sure if it will listen for upnp traffic on the virtual switch

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GreyFoxx:

As far as I know the windows upnp service just watches for the ssdp notifies from upnp devices and populates the my network places list and such

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LabMonkey:

hmm

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LabMonkey:

could be

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** LabMonkey starts the service and watches iamstats **

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GreyFoxx:

I can broadcast out from a linux vmware running under windows

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GreyFoxx:

but the vm never sees any incoming multicast broadcasts

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GreyFoxx:

for anything

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GreyFoxx:

IPTV streams nor upnp

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GreyFoxx:

the exact same vm works just fine on alinux host

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LabMonkey:

well the service description says "Provides support to host UPnP devices"

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LabMonkey:

that wording makes me think it provides a UPnP/ICS gateway

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GreyFoxx:

If you can find a way to make it do it let me know :)

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LabMonkey:

you have any kind of firewall running in windows?

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GreyFoxx:

Either way I find it annoying that a tcpdump on the vm interface under windows doesn't show the identical traffic we see on a linux machine

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GreyFoxx:

no

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LabMonkey:

k

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LabMonkey:

well

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LabMonkey:

the UPnP service depends on SSDP discovery service

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GreyFoxx:

Which is done via multicast packets to 239.255.255.250 port 1900

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LabMonkey:

the latter is the one that detects UPnP devices on the network other than the host machine

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GreyFoxx:

which do not make it to the linux vm running under windows

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GreyFoxx:

but do on the linux vm running under linux

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GreyFoxx:

which makes working on the code annoying :)

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GreyFoxx:

in a vm uiinder windows :)

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LabMonkey:

so it looks like the UPnP service might do what you want... question is how you get windows to listen for UPnP on vmnetX and forward stuff for it

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GreyFoxx:

My point is that it shouldn't have too

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LabMonkey:

yeah

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GreyFoxx:

The vmware session should see all packets on the interface the same way on both OS's

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LabMonkey:

I see what you mean

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LabMonkey:

if the guest OS is using the host iface then it should see the multicast traffic and treat it accordingly

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GreyFoxx:

I don'[t know if it's a vmware issue or a windows issue and so far no resposne from vmware

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LabMonkey:

now..

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LabMonkey:

note that I had to do some really wacky shit with vmware and nat to get the guests talking to the office network over vpn

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LabMonkey:

in my case the host was linux, so it may be completely different for you

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LabMonkey:

but I basically set the host up to act as a gateway/router like my shorewall box between me and the internet except that the laptop was treating vmnetX as the LAN and eth0 as the inet

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LabMonkey:

well.. sort of

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nelius:

argh! Do i really have to insert a transponder frequency for the dvb-s scan?

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GreyFoxx:

nelius: last time I did a dvb-s scan I had too

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GreyFoxx:

but that was a long time ago

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nelius:

thats interesting...

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nelius:

i was not expecting this

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nelius:

so i have to do 20 scans, one for each transponder

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nelius:

(in case of astra19,2)

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LabMonkey:

GreyFoxx: you remember which list that talk about the new win32 player was on?

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GreyFoxx:

No, do the lowest and it will move up from there

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GreyFoxx:

lab -users

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GreyFoxx:

mythtvplayer or some such

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GreyFoxx:

It's not afrontend, just a player as far as I know

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nelius:

tnx GreyFoxx, hopefully u saved our family freedom :-)

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GreyFoxx:

There are lots of astra users on the mailling list who can likely help you if needed

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nelius:

GreyFoxx : tnx, i'll try it out

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Neeesat25:

Hello

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Neeesat25:

When I am watching TV myth is recording all the time to be able to pause, rewind or Forward the viewing. Is it posible to have this recording in a diferent place than the place that I am sheduling my recordings?

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quicksilver:

what?

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quicksilver:

ah

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quicksilver:

why would you want to do that?

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Neeesat25:

because when I want to see a recording I see a big list

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Neeesat25:

I want to have only the programs that I have record my self in there

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jams:

Neeesat25- Are you saying that you see the live-tv recordings under the "watch recordings" menu?

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Neeesat25:

yes

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jams:

ok

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jams:

make sure the default group is "Default"

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Neeesat25:

in mythfrontend?

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jams:

in the watch recordings screen bring up the menu "M" and from there you can change the group

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Inssomniak:

alright, moving on, using the hot off the press nvidia-driers, anyone fail to compile with xvmc?

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jams:

Neeesat25- there are also some options in the tv playback settings screen

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jams:

things like "Show livetv recordings" and selecting the default group

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Neeesat25:

ok I will check

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Neeesat25:

So with the default you only see the recorded ones

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Merlin83b2:

Yes, Neeesat25.

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Jazbo:

Hi folks. I've got some RJPG videos that I want to make a DVD from. How would I go about this?

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Neeesat25:

thanks

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Inssomniak:

../../libs/libavcodec/libmythavcodec-0.20.so: undefined reference to `XvMCLoadQMatrix'

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Inssomniak:

trying to compile myth with./configure --enable-xvmc --xvmc-lib=XvMCNVIDIA --enable-dvb --enable-proc-opt --dvb-path=/usr/src/v4l/v4l-dvb/linux/include --enable-opengl-vsync --disable-xvmc-pro --disable-xvmc-vld --disable-xvmc

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jams:

why are you enableing xvmc then disabling it?

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Inssomniak:

at the end it should be --disable-xvmcw

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Inssomniak:

didnt paste

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Inssomniak:

hmm

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pizzadude:

how do i start mythtv once its installed?

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Merlin83b:

pizzadude: You RTFM :)

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jams:

mythbackend will start the backend process, mythfrontend will start the frontend(gui)

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jams:

your distro may have other ways

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pizzadude:

Merlin83b: thanks sooo much for that helpfull bit of info :) heh

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Jazbo:

Is it even possible to make a DVD from an rjpg?

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Merlin83b:

pizzadude: Did you try it? The answers are contained in there.

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pizzadude:

i have no myth-anything after installing mythtv. i dont even know where to look

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Merlin83b:

What shell are you using, pizzadude?

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qu0zl:

pizzadude, find a guide for your chosen distro and follow it. it'll make things easier for you

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qu0zl:

it'll cover questions like that

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pizzadude:

Merlin83b: but normally i would try myself before asking such obvious questions.

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qu0zl:

unless you've an obscure distro, then just use the ubuntu or redhat guides and extrapolate

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Merlin83b:

You'd be surprised at the number of people who don't, pizzadude.

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pizzadude:

qu0zl: i am using mandriva 2007

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qu0zl:

follow the redhat guide so

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qu0zl:

would be my advice

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pizzadude:

Merlin83b: i believe it.

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pizzadude:

off to mythtv website i go

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qu0zl:

http://wilsonet.com/mythtv/fcmyth.php pizzadude , for a good fc6 guide

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pizzadude:

qu0zl: thank you, will look there tooo

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jams:

Jazbo- the file would need to be converted into an mpeg2

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Jazbo:

jams: yah that's the part I can't figure out how to do.

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Jazbo:

Anyone familiar with using nuvexport? It just seems to give me errors...

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pizzadude:

well, is it possible that i am using the default mandriva package manager to install mythtv? would i maybe be better off to download and compile it my self? sorry, might sound like a dumber question than my first but i am new to linux.

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Jazbo:

So if I'm having NOOO luck making a dvd from tv shows is my best bet to just install a newer version of myth that includes mytharchive? I thought this would be a simple process that could be done with command line tools but apparently not...

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jams:

Jazbo- you can try, but the same command line tools will still need to be installed

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jams:

you might try updating nuvexport first

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quicksilver:

Jazbo: it probably gives errors becuase you have a different version of ffmpeg

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quicksilver:

last time I tried nuvexport by hand, I had to play with the ffmpeg command line options

[17:00:40]

quicksilver:

different versions of ffmpeg have a bad habit of having incompatible options

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Jazbo:

quicksilver: hmmm. How'd you figure out what to do?

[17:01:15]

Dagmar:

Read docs.

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Dagmar:

:)

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quicksilver:

Jazbo: I delved into the nuvexport script, copied out the ffmpeg invocation, tried to run it by, saw error messages, read manpage, adjusted options, rinse, repeat

[17:01:47]

quicksilver:

once I found out the magic options for my particular version I edited my copy of nuvexport and then ti worked :)9

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Dagmar:

If you use the SVN of ffmpeg you pretty much gotta do the same with nuvexport

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Dagmar:

...and that man will likely tell you the very same thing.

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Jazbo:

quicksilver: good god, okay

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quicksilver:

Jazbo: upgrading to 0.20 may be easier

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quicksilver:

Jazbo: for me the 0.20 upgrade was totally painless

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quicksilver:

download, make, make install, everything worked, *yay*

[17:03:54]

quicksilver:

YMMV, of course

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LabMonkey:

bah

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Jazbo:

is there a prefered paste location for this channel?

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monteslu:

so anyone know much about the winTV 150's remote? I think I want the server to be in a seperate room, with just a small frontend box in the living room. Is the remote just infrared?

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Dagmar:

monteslu: You should read the docs more carefully. The backend and lirc have nothing to do with each other. You do not have a problem.

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[Chief]:

hey guys

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Dagmar:

damnit

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Dagmar:

I should read more carefully, but then, I just got up

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[Chief]:

i need a info plz, is there a way to hear music while i'm browsing photos?

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Dagmar:

monteslu: The remote is just infrared, so a repeater *should* work with it

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Dagmar:

[Chief]: No.

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[Chief]:

thx

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jams:

[Chief]- not unless you turn on the radio or some other non-myth music player

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[Chief]:

will their be a way?

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Dagmar:

Not likely

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[Chief]:

k

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jams:

it's been talked about and kicked around, but so far no real code

[17:11:54]

monteslu:

Dagmar, can you tune to a different station just using frontend?

[17:12:14]

seth|laptop:

[Chief]: I offer this, as kind of a solution. I did it, and it works well. http://knoppmythwiki.org/index.php?page=MythGalleryMusic

[17:12:31]

[Chief]:

@jams, hoping that it comes..

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Dagmar:

monteslu: Yes, which is why you're going to have to get a serial dongle or something if you want to do what you're doing.

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Dagmar:

monteslu: The frontend is what has to have the sensor attached

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LabMonkey:

Jazbo: not really... pastebin.ca or something

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monteslu:

gotcha

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monteslu:

could the front end be controlled by other input, like /dev/input/js0 ?

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jams:

monteslu- yes the frontend can be controlled via a joystick

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monteslu:

sweet

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monteslu:

got to wait two weeks to build my myth box, wife is getting me the tuner card for christmas

[17:17:03]

monteslu:

already got an hd dvr from cable company, but still think this will be fun

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Inssomniak:

where do the config files go after a make install from svn?

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xris:

Inssomniak: I don't think they go anywhere

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juski:

kslater: you hollerred?

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Inssomniak:

is the mythtv-setup program a gui?

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juski:

yep

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Inssomniak:

mythtv # mythtv-setup

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Inssomniak:

Segmentation fault

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Inssomniak:

not lookin good

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juski:

heh

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Inssomniak:

took me 4 hours to get this far

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kslater:

juski – quite a while ago

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kslater:

someone was asking about dvb-s cards. thought you might have some clue there

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Inssomniak:

well this is not working out, how am I supposed to debug this

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juski:

nah I dunno much about dvb-s

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kslater:

me either

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kslater:

my ATSC HD knowledge is pretty slim and I don't know how much applies to dvb-s

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xris:

Inssomniak: -v all

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Inssomniak:

w00t

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juski:

might've been a missing theme dir

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juski:

myth's sanity checking can be a little snotty sometimes

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juski:

understandable that stuff which _should_ always be there no matter what, doesn't get checked or reported on ;)

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xris:

juski: report bugs. :)

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juski:

trying to remember which theme element I had missing from a page – causes instant segfaults

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juski:

I'm sure I'll see it again when I start work on blootube (note the -wide is missing) ;)

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Inssomniak:

Im I have a decently powerful (dual core) system and dont plan on doing a ton of transcoding is it reasonably well performing to have the front end and back end on the same machine?

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juski:

I dunno, I just have this vision of chutt or somebody saying "well DUH of course, if _that_ is missing"

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Merlin83b:

Inssomniak: Plenty :)

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Merlin83b:

(For SD)

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Inssomniak:

well I have one HD card

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Merlin83b:

I do combined FE/BE on an Epia M10k.

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juski:

depends how agressive you set it to transcode

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juski:

Merlin83b: how's your CPU usage btw?

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juski:

during playback I mean

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Merlin83b:

Low until BFSQ :)

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Inssomniak:

I have no analog cards, but one HD card

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Merlin83b:

Don't really know – want me to check?

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juski:

it's super crap on my ubuntu epia frontend.. like 50%. used to be much less

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xris:

Inssomniak: recording HD isn't very cpu intensive

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Merlin83b:

I'll have a look. 50% would be fine since that's all the box does, no need for it to be all low :)

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juski:

if you can, and don't mind checking, Merlin83b

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Merlin83b:

No problem – will have a look later on and let you know tomorrow.

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juski:

okees

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Inssomniak:

ya know how some of those digital cable boxes have firewire ports? is it possible to connect myth to those to watch thru ?

[17:47:18]

juski:

I'm busy picking my heater motor resistor pack to bits to try & work out what value _real_ resistors to use in its place

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seth|laptop:

hey, question, my frontend starts commflagging automatically, and this is suspect is normal, however, when it launches, it nice's to 17, what do I have to change to make it nice to 19?

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seth|laptop:

other than watching it in top, and using that interface

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fryfrog:

are your jobs set to low priority?

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fryfrog:

and really, what is 17 -> 19 really going to get you?

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Inssomniak:

ya know what sucks, all these new pci-e motherboards dont have enough PCI regular slots

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seth|laptop:

yes, thatis set in mythtv-setup

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fryfrog:

seth|laptop: you'd probably have to modify the myth code somewhere

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seth|laptop:

well when recording 2 HD shows, and watching one back, with a single instance of commflag running at 17, i get pauses in HD playback, it doesn't effect SD playback, but when I use top to renice to 19, everything gets happy again

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fryfrog:

wow

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fryfrog:

i'm surprised :)

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fryfrog:

is your front end chmod +s?

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fryfrog:

oh

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fryfrog:

well, nm the oh :)

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juski:

ah balls to it I'll just get another one from fleabay

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seth|laptop:

I keep my zaurus logged in via ssh, to monitor top, so its easy enough to renice it, but then the next time the job fires off, ie for the next show, it gows roight back to 17

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juski:

what's good for removing WD40 from your hands?

[17:52:59]

fryfrog:

more wd40

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fryfrog:

pants

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kslater:

lol

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juski:

apart from a flame, I mean

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seth|laptop:

ivory soap

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kslater:

xylene

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fryfrog:

bah, its the propelant that is flamable!

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fryfrog:

gasoline?

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kslater:

course it removes all the skin oil too

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fryfrog:

A CHEESEBURGER!

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cetex:

do anyone know if it's possible to have mythmusic playing while in some other menu, like gallery?

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seth|laptop:

well yes, a lighter or match would also make short of it as well, ;-)

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juski:

cetex: not yet

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kslater:

cetex – earlier answer was no

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fryfrog:

cetex: no, that is an impossibility

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cetex:

hm, ok. no idea when it could get implemented?, of if it's even on a todo in the foreseeable future?

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juski:

oops. NOW I find out my solvent cleaner is an irratant

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juski:

it got the wd40 off though :)

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Inssomniak:

any way to control mythtv-setup with just a keyboard?

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fryfrog:

cetex: it'll be implemented the minute you submit a patchQ! :)

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fryfrog:

Inssomniak: er, yes that is all i ever use in mythtv-setup

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Inssomniak:

it let me select the language with the keyboard, but now it doesnt do anything, I see the screen but no way to do anything

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Merlin83b:

seth|laptop gave you a link to a hacky solution earlier.

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fryfrog:

what else would you use? a wacom tablet?

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seth|laptop:

http://knoppmythwiki.org/index.php?page=MythGalleryMusic

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seth|laptop:

but that is just for gallery viewing, kind of like a slideshow w/ music

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cetex:

seth|laptop: oh, gonna check..

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juski:

hmm.. wonder why that 'improvement' hasn't been fed back into the loop then

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cetex:

another question, i get: Error reading block from DVD: Error reading NAV packet, when trying to watch some dvd's.. (like the hellsing box, act 3 wont work, but 1 & 2 does.. dunno about act 4 & 5)

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Dagmar:

juski: Could be because there's a slideshow visualizer in mythmustic

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juski:

Dagmar: is there? since when?

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cetex:

and i get: "libdvdread: CHECK_VALUE failed in nav_read.c:24 ... for pci-> hli.hl_gi.zero2 == 0, hl_gi.btn_ns there's a whole bunch of them..

[18:02:15]

Dagmar:

I could have sworn it was there the last time I looked

[18:02:24]

Dagmar:

I might have been mistaken

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seth|laptop:

for anyone interested, scfi is running a firefly marathon tomorrow, and a BSG this season marathon next tuesday

[18:03:27]

seth|laptop:

fire up your mythweb's

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** seth|laptop wonders how many geek points that was worth **

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cesman:

thanks for the BSG info

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juski:

watched one BSG. wasn't too impressed

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seth|laptop:

I like BSG

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juski:

it's better than Torchwood though

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juski:

last night's was utter shite

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seth|laptop:

I mean its not Lorne Green, but its good

[18:05:46]

juski:

lorne green == food for grass?

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juski:

;-)

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seth|laptop:

Lorne Green, the original Commader Adama

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seth|laptop:

:-)

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juski:

duh, yes I know ;)

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seth|laptop:

wasn't sure how old you were, me, I rememebr when they came on every thursday night

[18:06:45]

seth|laptop:

becasue I am old

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seth|laptop:

because even

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juski:

used to be Sunday afternoons for me, after Little House On The Prairie (bleuch!)

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juski:

and before 'Bullseye' !

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seth|laptop:

I never heard of bullseye, but I remmeber little house

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seth|laptop:

my sister and mother used to watch that all the time

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juski:

bullseye == classic 80s gameshow

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** juski wills death to the online 'search' portals **

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juski:

fucking bastard google-spammers!

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juski:

ahem. anyway...

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cetex:

if anyone's interested in helping me with my dvd problem the log's here: http://pastebin.ca/275634

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seth|laptop:

well i got my new 500GB sata drive working, had to jumper it down from 300 mb/s to 150 mb/s, the sata_nv driver with 2.6.17 didn't like full speed

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juski:

not that it'd make much difference in the long run seth|laptop ;)

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seth|laptop:

i thought my motherboard was crap

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seth|laptop:

I was glad that it is working, because in the interim, I ordered another

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cetex:

i've tested watching directly from the drive, and it doesnt even show the menu.. i can use mythtranscode though without errors, but when i try to watch the ripped movie its still broken..

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seth|laptop:

one drive not working wouldn't have been a problem for the mrs. but two, she would have pulled a broadsworc from the wall, and.......no more kids

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cetex:

bah :>

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Inssomniak:

once in watch tv mode, what keyboard commands change channels or bring EPG up?

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Kelerion:

evening all

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Kelerion:

ltns!

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fdsd:

hey guys, I am running mysql on my linux machine, when I run nmap -sT localhost it shows its open on port 3306, but when I nmap -sT 192.168.1.6 which is the IP of that machine, it shows every other open port but mysql... any idea why?

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Kelerion:

ok..whose the paul guy working on mythzoneminder?

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Inssomniak:

when I hit watch TV, I just get a black screen, cant pull up epg or change channels :(

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juski:

hey hey Kelerion :)

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Kelerion:

congrats on the promotion! :()

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juski:

Kelerion: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/engine? . . . ;list=mythtv

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juski:

musta missed it wot with the netsplit & all

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Kelerion:

oh.. know whose working on it... read the Authors file... just wondering if he's about! :)

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juski:

dunno if he visits here tbh

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Kelerion:

I just did a svn up for the first time in a while and it came in... would love to help as I have a ZM setup here

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Kelerion:

will email him and see if he needs anything

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juski:

missed a laugh yesterday Kelerion – saw a droid from Currys & some bloke drop a plasma

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Kelerion:

ouch.. lol

[18:54:38]

juski:

they'd taken it out of the box to try & fit it in the boot of the dude's car aswell

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Kelerion:

they give him a replacement? lol

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juski:

no idea

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juski:

going back to picking my heater fan resistor pack to bits.. no way I'm paying the main stealer 50 quids

[19:00:05]

** Kelerion chuckles **

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juski:

50 blimmin quid for a few bits of wire on a ceramic former

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Kelerion:

urgh

[19:02:13]

juski:

maybe if I'd fixed my water leak ages ago this wouldn't have broken though

[19:02:59]

Inssomniak:

ok I got this sorta goin, I can see the logs, that its playing video and what not, but all I see is a black screen

[19:03:56]

juski:

so it's not sorta goin then is it? ;)

[19:04:08]

Inssomniak:

heh, everythinb but a picture

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** Kelerion chuckles **

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juski:

everyfink but the most important bit ;)

[19:04:36]

juski:

tested your tuner card in linux already?

[19:04:43]

Inssomniak:

oh yea, it works

[19:04:55]

Kelerion:

linked to the right inputs in mythtv-setup?

[19:05:10]

Inssomniak:

yup, did a channel scan, it found channels

[19:05:23]

Kelerion:

some wierd dual-screen setup?

[19:05:26]

Inssomniak:

nope

[19:05:53]

Inssomniak:

I see something in the logs about "assuming RTjpeg for now"

[19:06:07]

Inssomniak:

please configure one of the 4 software decoders.....

[19:06:09]

Inssomniak:

but I did all that

[19:06:23]

Inssomniak:

unknown video codec

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Kelerion:

this is a dvb setup?

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Inssomniak:

will be, but for now I am using the analog v4l part of a pchdtv 5500 card

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juski:

eew

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Kelerion:

myth removed all functionality of analogue a while back

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Inssomniak:

they did?

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Kelerion:

nope

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** Kelerion grins **

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Inssomniak:

I was gonna say your nuts

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juski:

if only...

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Inssomniak:

lol

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** Kelerion chuckles **

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Inssomniak:

I dont REALLY want to use analog but I thought it be the easiest thing to test

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juski:

I mean if only software encoders would get bumped

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Kelerion:

not a chance...that'd include my pvr250 card.. lol

[19:10:25]

juski:

I certainly don't recommend anybody buy a framegrabber these days

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juski:

not worth the effort

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Kelerion:

nevermind..ignore me.. lol

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Inssomniak:

well, I dont really want to use it, just want to test functionality of myth before moving to dvb

[19:11:24]

Kelerion:

"test functionality of myth"? functionality is great...take my word for it :)

[19:11:47]

juski:

you'd only have to tear it down later, so why not just jump right into HD?

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juski:

cos you can't use both analogue & HD at the same time

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juski:

you also can't even have both of them set up in myth at the same time

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murat:

hi guyes

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juski:

also – I have no idea how well analogue scanning works, so maybe the channels that got you were all gashness

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Cybertoy:

hi guys..

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murat:

mythtv doesnt play mp3's if the mp3's name is not utf-8... is there anyway to handle it?

[19:13:41]

juski:

rename your mp3s?

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murat:

do you think it's good idea?

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juski:

utf-8 should cover most languages afaik

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murat:

it covers turkish but maybe mythtv doesnt support utf-8 ?

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juski:

you said if the mp3's name is not utf-8

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murat:

yeah my bad

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murat:

let me change the question

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juski:

I think it's more likely the database which has the issue tbh

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murat:

does mythtv support utf-8?

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murat:

hmmm

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murat:

could be

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juski:

think so

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juski:

look in the database with something like phpmyadmin

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murat:

good idea... so do you know how to fix it or any suggestions

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murat:

?

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juski:

see what the filenames look like in the database

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stuarta:

evening all

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juski:

evening stuarta :)

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juski:

murat: try mysql -u mythtv -p mythconverg -e "select filename from music_songs;"

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juski:

if you see garbage in there, then maybe mysql doesn't like utf-8

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murat:

juski I initiated a database with

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murat:

mysql < /usr/share/mythtv/database/mc.sql

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murat:

I think this command is wrong

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juski:

looks ok to me

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stuarta:

well you aren't telling it which database

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murat:

maybe I should add it as mythtv user?

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juski:

if the database setup was that bad, the last thing you would have to worry about would be mythmusic ;)

[19:22:08]

murat:

:)

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juski:

woohooo! the impregnible green gunk wasn't impregnible to me :)

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stuarta:

hmmmm :-/

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Kelerion:

ok...food time...back later :)

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** Kelerion waves to stuart **

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stuarta:

bye!

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Inssomniak:

ok its working!

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Inssomniak:

partly, I have picture on the ATSC side

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Inssomniak:

console output is getting flooded with "prebuffereing pause" and if I change channels I cant see it unless I exit back out to main menu and hit watch TV

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stuarta:

food = (nibbles + beer) at work + chocolate :)

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Cybertoy:

I need a cheap IR receiver that goes to my USB port... can someone recommend one?

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juski:

stuarta: finished for the year now? or was it just a bit of a 'do' ?

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stuarta:

finished? nope. our Christmas party is in jan :)

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stuarta:

something todo with this being the busiest month of the year for retail

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juski:

we have to leave on the 22nd & not go back til the 3rd

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juski:

no choice

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stuarta:

poor you! NOT!

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stuarta:

i fly out to Aus on 21st

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stuarta:

:)

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juski:

gonna be piss bored between xmas & nye though

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stuarta:

how many weeks of tv you got backed up?

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juski:

9 days' solid

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juski:

if any of it was any good it'd have been watched already though ;)

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stuarta:

perfect fit for xmas -> new year?

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juski:

actually there's quite a lot on over xmas I won't get to see

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juski:

staying at places where nobody has taste in telly ;)

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stuarta:

mythtv to the rescue!

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stuarta:

autoexpire the crap and record the new!

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juski:

wooyeah I need two half ohm resistors rated at godknowswhat watts. and they won't cost mefifty squids, thankyou mr Seat maain stealer

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juski:

been a' fixin' today as well as shopping

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SuperSmurf:

Where can I load a patched version of Mythtv with SC client?

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stuarta:

juski: you on holidays now?

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juski:

SuperSmurf: you don't talk about that in here

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GreyFoxx:

SuperSmurf: SC/Sasc is not something we allow in here

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SuperSmurf:

ok

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juski:

stuarta: no not yet. just had today off for the joy of shopping with the mrs

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stuarta:

hmmm, joy

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juski:

she makes me dizzy if I walk round with her. does several laps of a clothes rail before pouncing

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stuarta:

i find following 6 paces to the rear a good tactic

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juski:

heh. anyway – time for tea :)

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SuperSmurf:

>What's the chanel name for SC/Sasc talk?

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GreyFoxx:

SuperSmurf: I don't believe there is one

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SuperSmurf:

ajaj...

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stuarta:

and even if we knew, we wouldn't say in a logged channel

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SuperSmurf:

ojoj...

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stuarta:

GreyFoxx: strict clients. mwahahaha!

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GreyFoxx:

heh :)

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Inssomniak:

oooh lookin good now!

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SuperSmurf:

How can SC/Sasc be illegal?

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stuarta:

stop asking

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Inssomniak:

1080i content is not scaled right (shifted over to the right)

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GreyFoxx:

SuperSmurf: In the US, where most of the Myth devs are located it is illegal. We do our best to not discuss anything legally questionable in any official channel (such as this)

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GreyFoxx:

No torrents, no sc

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GreyFoxx:

And it's not up for debate

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SuperSmurf:

ok, I'm a tollerant european citisen

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GreyFoxx:

SuperSmurf: We are basically just trying to keep myth from having a legal headache :)

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Inssomniak:

where do you set your alsa sound device? I dont have any sound

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seth|laptop:

Utlilities/Setup > Setup > General

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brad_mssw:

you know, setting the alsa sound device has never actually worked properly for me with myth .... I always had to use the OSS layer for alsa, and point the OSS emulation layer to my iec958 device to get sound out my optical output

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brad_mssw:

works though, so i'm not messing with it ;)

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juski:

SuperSmurf: you've had enough talk about illegal stuff now. take the hint. nobody is going to help you with it

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seth|laptop:

question, after a reboot, is mythjobqueue automatically restarted?

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brad_mssw:

seth|laptop: my transcoding jobs restart (from scratch) after reboot ... not sure about custom user jobs, would assume so though

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stuarta:

it's part of the backend

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seth|laptop:

so running it independently is not recommended?

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seth|laptop:

i ran it from the cli, to get it started with the commf-ing and it worked, I wonder If I didnt just have a process hung

[20:09:21]

seth|laptop:

the problem started when I "inadvertantly"

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seth|laptop:

deleted a file that was commflagging

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stuarta:

oh, just use some mysql-fu

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seth|laptop:

then after that nothign would do it, suppose I should have just rebooted

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** seth|laptop mysql-fu <= not so good **

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stuarta:

find the commflag entry in the jobqueue and remove it

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seth|laptop:

oh, from the front end, can't at work right now, hehe

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stuarta:

for the jobqueue it's relatively easy since most jobs will already be complete...

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stuarta:

nah, command line fu!

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stuarta:

select * from jobqueue

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stuarta:

shows everything in the jobqueue.

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stuarta:

most things will be completed.

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stuarta:

pastebin if needed

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seth|laptop:

just run 'jobqueue'

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nelius:

what windowmanager is the best to use with mythtv?

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Inssomniak:

mythtv support dishpro line of switches?

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GreyFoxx:

nelius: any minimal wm is fine

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stuarta:

Inssomniak: if it's diseq or basic yes

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GreyFoxx:

I use IceWM, others use fluxbox, some ratpoision, etc etc

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Inssomniak:

its a diseq but doesnt follow the real diseq commands

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seth|laptop:

actually just having X installed on my gentoo box was enough, but the rest of my boixes are KP and I use fluxbox

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stuarta:

Inssomniak: in that case YMMV.

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kormoc:

seth|laptop, there are some focus problems that can happen without a WM, hence why it's 'required'

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Inssomniak:

what does YMMV mean ?

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nelius:

GreyFoxx i have fvwm, and the mythfrontend is shifted out of display :_(

[20:15:37]

Inssomniak:

lol

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stuarta:

your mileage may vary

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Inssomniak:

heh

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nelius:

but i'l try IceWM than.

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Inssomniak:

I dont have any window manager, that might explain my 1080i not displaying right?

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kormoc:

Inssomniak, it might

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GreyFoxx:

Inssomniak: not liekly

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kormoc:

depenging on the issue

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Inssomniak:

I also lose OSD color when I change channels

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kormoc:

*depending

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GreyFoxx:

unless you;re havving a focus issue

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GreyFoxx:

Inssomniak: That's not a Window manager thing

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kormoc:

if it's not resizing properly

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Inssomniak:

hmm

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Inssomniak:

everything else from SD to 720p displays fine

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nelius:

GreyFoxx: is there a howto, how to get rid of the taskbar and make mythfronend "autostart"?

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Dagmar:

Yeah, it's O'Reilly's Linux Administration Handbook.

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Inssomniak:

for the alsa device what would you enter there? like a /dev or a alsa device number?

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Dagmar:

Who the hell is Nell?

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Dagmar:

var = NELL? Hehe

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mcquaid:

I moved some stuff & sym linked it needing room and want to move it back. Can anyone tell me the proper place for the mysql/mythconverg files in a ubuntu system?

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mcquaid:

can't remember where to move it back.

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Dagmar:

You tried asking in #Ubuntu?

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mcquaid:

no, not yet, i thought there is probably a debian/ubuntu user in here

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psofa:

why not doing an slocate mythconverg :P

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mcquaid:

i tried that, I don't see the sym link that I made, only where it is now

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Inssomniak:

zap2it doesnt seem to support ATSC digital channels?

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Inssomniak:

I cant get a listing from them

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Dagmar:

You know, you could probably remove and reinstall the mysql package and make it generate a new database faster thant his

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mcquaid:

ya probably, but i'm irish, it gets in my way from time to time

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awilkins:

May a thousand poxes accumulate in the underpants of the developer who decided that MySQL didn't need proper referential integrity

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awilkins:

I just found out why my MythTV box won't record ITV4 ; because it's got the same channum as CBBC

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stuarta:

oops

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awilkins:

And may a thousand poxes also accumulate in the underpants of the guy who decided to key a SQL query on something other than the fecking primary key.

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stuarta:

that's some mighy fine cursing...

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GreyFoxx:

And a thousand poxes on people who complain but don't submit patches to fix what they are complaining about

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GreyFoxx:

:)

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awilkins:

Give me some time, I only just found it :-)

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awilkins:

Can you make MySQL enforce a unique constraint?

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stuarta:

fairly sure it can...

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GreyFoxx:

I'm fairly sure I've seen that in the mysql.com docs

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juski:

awilkins: been bit by that one but I didn't whine about it ;)

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awilkins:

I thikn it depends on which table type you are using.

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stuarta:

so what's the underlying issue, i'm intrigued...

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juski:

I had fun watching torchwood (which was shit btw) on 'CBBC' last night – according to my cable box

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awilkins:

Yeah, same thing showed up here (just wathced it)

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stuarta:

ah it's a cable thing

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awilkins:

stuarta: I've been trying to record films on ITV4

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awilkins:

DVB-T

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stuarta:

okay

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awilkins:

But it was just recording about 1.2GB per hour of black screen

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stuarta:

ah. i see.

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awilkins:

Tonight I tried watching it in LiveTV – it was switching to CBBC

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awilkins:

Which does not transmit at the same time – so it's always going to be blackscreen after 1900

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juski:

the mheg magic must be working then :)

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stuarta:

i don't have a problem with this, so what's different??

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awilkins:

They had the same channum value

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juski:

did you add it manually?

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jduggan:

juski: do you use freeview in the UK?

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stuarta:

not in my setup they don't.

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awilkins:

Scanned

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awilkins:

But I have edited my channums in the past

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juski:

jduggan: yeah

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awilkins:

Because it orders on channum in the program guide

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jduggan:

juski: which card do u use/suggest?

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juski:

awilkins: so it's your own snafu then ;)

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juski:

jduggan: I don't

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jduggan:

juski: i move house next saturday, to an area which has freeview

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jduggan:

juski: ic?

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jduggan:

dont use it in mythtv?

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jduggan:

or..?

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awilkins:

juski: Yeah, but it's still a WTF for not having a UQ constraint on channum, and keying queries on a non-PK field.

[20:51:14]

juski:

I don't recommend hardware, full stop

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jduggan:

oh

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juski:

can't be arsed, mostly

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jduggan:

ok, which hardware do u use for the freeview, personally?

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awilkins:

jduggan: I use a hauppauge Nova-T PCI, and two Nova-T USB 2.0 units

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juski:

but look on linuxtv.org's wiki for a list of sported tuners

[20:52:01]

awilkins:

jduggan: Aside from the occasional lockup in the USB units, I'm fairly happy.

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stuarta:

jduggan: most tuners are based on the reference stuff

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juski:

I use 2 Leadtek lr6650 cards. I have a 3rd in a spare machine that isn't doing anything at the mo

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jduggan:

awilkins: icic, any preferations between those two?

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awilkins:

jduggan: Well, my case will only take one PCI card.

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jduggan:

ah ic

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awilkins:

jduggan: I'd prefer the PCI card on the grounds that it's more reliable though

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jduggan:

okay

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awilkins:

But nothing beats having three tuners

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jduggan:

hopefully i'll get two dvb-t tuners and my sky so will have 3

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stuarta:

nice

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jduggan:

btw, out of interest, do you run them from the same aerial, or do they have a dedicated aerial each?

[20:54:24]

janneg:

awilkins: channums aren't supposed to be unique

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juski:

most you can get away with realistically is running 2 from one aerial if you don't use an amp

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stuarta:

mine run from the same

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awilkins:

They're all on the same aerial, but I had to install a signal amp

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awilkins:

And unplug the VCR

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juski:

the passthru connections on most cards are just that – passed through

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stuarta:

who needs a VCR anyway :)

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jduggan:

hmm

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awilkins:

Yeah, I have a 2 port signal amp with 2 pairs of splitters, the passthroughs suck

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jduggan:

i expect i'll just give them a dedicated aerial

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juski:

just buy a 4 output amp from Argos after xmas

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jduggan:

my guess is that it'd be cheaper

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juski:

I say after xmas because it's quite umm busy in there these days

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juski:

nah

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stuarta:

we have no amp, but high qual cable & splitters.

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juski:

2 aerials, 2 runs of coax!

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juski:

kerching!

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jduggan:

heh

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juski:

aerial amp will set you back about 20 squids

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jduggan:

true

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awilkins:

janneg: Whats the rationale for non-unique channums?

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stuarta:

also helps that i can see crystal palace :)

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juski:

awilkins: the chanid _is_ unique

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awilkins:

juski: Yes, but this is no good when you tell it to record a channel and it keys opn channum and not chanid.

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stuarta:

awilkins: if the channum & name (callsign) are the same then the channel is considered the same across inputs

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awilkins:

stuarta: Gotcha

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stuarta:

and it changes by channum

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awilkins:

So there should be a UQ on a composite key of channum and source?

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stuarta:

dunno how that would help

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juski:

it assumes the user isn't a muppet & has two identical channums

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juski:

;)

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janneg:

yes

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awilkins:

Assuming users are not muppets is dangerous :-)

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Dagmar:

Bad assumption.

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Dagmar:

That's almost like assuming coders can spell "NULL".

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juski:

like the part of the code that doesn't check a channel exists before starting a recording or livetv

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juski:

don't try this at home.. delete the last channel you watched in livetv

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awilkins:

juski

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juski:

easy to fix like ;)

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awilkins:

juski: I have a scheduled job that resets that to "3" every 20 minutes

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juski:

pfft

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awilkins:

A legacy from the bad old days when tuning a off-air DVB-T channel would cause horrible results.

[21:00:48]

Cybertoy:

I'm searching a IR receiver for my MythTV box.. the wiki seems to suggest that UIRT is a good device. What are most of you guys using for remote control?

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awilkins:

The IR dongle that came with my PCI card

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juski:

awilkins: fair nuff

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awilkins:

And the remote

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Cybertoy:

yeah .. my pci card has no remote with it .. :(

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brad_mssw:

awilkins: truthfully, the mceusb2 receiver and remotes are really pretty nice

[21:02:44]

brad_mssw:

oops

[21:02:51]

brad_mssw:

that was for Cybertoy

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Cybertoy:

mceusb2?

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awilkins:

Windows media cetnre edition peripheral?

[21:03:42]

brad_mssw:

Cybertoy: one variant comes with the hauppauge PVR150 MCE

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Cybertoy:

hmm.. I have a Logitech Harmony 180 remote control... that thing can emulate any remote... I only need a IR receiver on the PC ...

[21:04:28]

Cybertoy:

... without buying a whole PCI video capture card.. :)

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brad_mssw:

Cybertoy: here's the remote + receiver on newegg I think: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16880100851

[21:05:33]

brad_mssw:

Cybertoy: yeah, I actually ditched the microsoft remote for the Logitech Harmony too

[21:05:53]

** seth|laptop uses his harmony 880 to emulate a microsoft remote **

[21:05:53]

brad_mssw:

Cybertoy: don't remember what model I have though, it was around $100 though

[21:05:54]

Cybertoy:

yeah ... awesome. that's what I was looking for...

[21:06:06]

Cybertoy:

tnx very much .. gonna order that now .. :)

[21:09:42]

Cybertoy:

hmm... kind of a shame that I'm gonna pay $39 but then throw away the remote.

[21:09:56]

Cybertoy:

but I haven't found the IR receiver by itself... and UIRT is $50 as well ...

[21:10:21]

Cybertoy:

and according to lirc web page the generic IrDA USB dongles don't work ...

[21:10:31]

Cybertoy:

they'd be nice as they're available for like $9 ...

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Dagmar:

My boss found a second typo in 0.20-fixes

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Dagmar:

Someone's theme calls for the "Ariel" font.

[21:16:59]

Dagmar:

No little mermaid anywhere in sight.

[21:17:27]

Dagmar:

This is pretty damn funny since I talked him into doing this form source instead of using KnoppMyth for a change

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juski:

which theme?

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juski:

default!

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juski:

oof

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juski:

mythtv/themes/default/base.xml: <font name="bigboldwhite" face="Ariel">

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Zider:

yo juski

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juski:

hey Zider

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Zider:

'sup?

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stuarta:

somebody been confusing their fonts with their washing powder

[21:22:54]

juski:

just fgrepped for 'Ariel' in the source

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Zider:

the mermaid?

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juski:

an easy patch for ya, Dagmar :)

[21:23:31]

Zider:

or the laundry detergent?

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stuarta:

depends what you wanna do with the mermaid :-/

[21:24:09]

Zider:

fondle?

[21:24:13]

juski:

eew

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stuarta:

wash, rinse, dry?

[21:24:44]

Zider:

yes

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Zider:

;)

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juski:

I don't think a mermaid would be able to get by with just 10CCs of fluid somehow

[21:25:13]

Zider:

;)

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stuarta:

eew

[21:26:08]

Zider:

anyhoo.. I just got back from a photo visit

[21:26:18]

juski:

ok so now I've demegrated a Disney character I need to scoot

[21:26:25]

juski:

I'll get me coat

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Zider:

a coating for Ariel?

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frink_:

yo

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Zider:

hey

[21:34:09]

frink_:

hey Zider

[21:34:18]

Zider:

ellu

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frink_:

I guess you do MythTV?

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** frink_ just started **

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Zider:

I "do" mythtv yes ;)

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frink_:

it's like TiVO but nice :)

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Zider:

I haven't tried tivo

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frink_:

Anyway, do you have any reccomendations for a DVB rx for the UK? I have a Hauppage USB thing and the quality sucks a little, or is that somethign ele do you think?

[21:35:38]

frink_:

TiVO was cool, shame they killed it in the UK :(

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Zider:

I don't live in the UK and don't have any DVB.. :/

[21:36:37]

frink_:

ahh well.. Where do you live?

[21:36:51]

Zider:

sweden

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stuarta:

frink_: should be able to use any pci dvb-t card

[21:38:46]

stuarta:

not a big fan of the USB stuff personally

[21:38:59]

frink_:

stuarta: Yeah the Hauppauge thing works, but the picture quality sucks a little..

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awilkins:

Meh? Picture quality on a DVB adapter is nothing to do with the tuner

[21:47:08]

frink_:

awilkins: Well indeed thats what I would have thought, perhaps it's the decoder thingy.. I duno what it uses by default for DVB..?

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Zider:

digital is digital

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stuarta:

by lousy quality, what *exactly* do you mean?

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frink_:

stuarta: There are a lot of odd looking lines when there is movment, kind of looks like scanlines/crummy compression/rendering.

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frink_:

Apart form that it's all fine though.

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stuarta:

sounds more like interlacing

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stuarta:

tried using de-interlacing?

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frink_:

umm no, I did see the option.. And eah it does look like interlacing.

[21:53:47]

frink_:

thanks..

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** frink_ tries it **

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jduggan:

cheapest place to get a nova-t card? in the UK?

[21:57:41]

stuarta:

on the web.

[21:58:02]

stuarta:

but this is not the time of year to *quickly* get anything

[21:58:20]

stuarta:

so a walk down the local computer store may be simpler for your sanity...

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frink_:

jduggan: I got all my bits on ebay..

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frink_:

but that takes a while too..

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jduggan:

yea

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jduggan:

thats what i was thinkin, lots of people orderin stuff durin this time of year

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stuarta:

PIA unless it fits through your letterbox

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jduggan:

oh, and can someone help me fix something, somehow *every* instance of bbc new is set to record... ive been through the upcoming recordings and removed them all but when i get a new mythfilldb all the new instances of bbc news are set to record... how can i stop it, i dont have a 'remove from always record' type option

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frink_:

stuarta: or your wife stays home to receive it..

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jduggan:

bbc news*

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stuarta:

ENOWIFEY

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stuarta:

:)

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frink_:

how do you stop your wife from recording QVC? ;-)

[22:03:30]

stuarta:

hide the channel

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stuarta:

and blow up the channel

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jduggan:

yea just remove it with channel editor

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frink_:

stuarta: On the channel listings presumably I do not need BBC1 and BBC1-London ?

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stuarta:

oh, you're using RT grabber. no you don't pick the correct 1/10 that suits your area

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frink_:

There is somethign better than RTgrabber – cus its a pain :)

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stuarta:

i just use EIT data. it's good, just the monkeys aren't well trained

[22:12:23]

stuarta:

only 8 days rather than 14.

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frink_:

yeah

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frink_:

though sometimes the EIT data seems to only be 2 days... or did they fix that?

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stuarta:

always 7–8 for me

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stuarta:

was a bit crap a while ago

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i0h-:

i didnt get a straight answer from the FAQ or anywhere at the homepage.. whats the best choice of tv-card? was thinking about the PVR 350.. but is there a better.. near the same price..

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kormoc:

i0h-, a pvr 150 is better and cheaper

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GreyFoxx:

generally we recommend against the 350 unless you are seriously low on cpu

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i0h-:

i have a amd64 3200+ 1024ddr

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BULLE:

so, no need for a 350 then

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Zider:

is it the 350 that is like two 150s?

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BULLE:

Zider: no, that is the 500

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Zider:

ah

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i0h-:

my intention is to look on tv.. sometimes record

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kormoc:

Zider, no, the pvr 500 is 2 150s

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BULLE:

Zider: 350 has tv out

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Zider:

BULLE: ahh, ok

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kormoc:

i0h-, so get a pvr 150 or 500, and a nvidia card (with tv out if you want)

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i0h-:

maaaaaybe someday build a little media center thingy..

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BULLE:

no one here gotten their ms mce ir blasters to work ?

[22:30:28]

GreyFoxx:

i0h-: a PVR 150 and n nvidia card are cheaper and more flexible

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kormoc:

i0h-, and for your info, myth always records.

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i0h-:

thanks for the answers.. pvr150 it is

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i0h-:

aah.. yeah.. i read that

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i0h-:

another question.. pvr150.. can i get real good quality recordings?

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kormoc:

as good as your signal allows, aye

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GreyFoxx:

assuming a good signal yes

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i0h-:

ok :)

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i0h-:

no trouble to install it on ubuntu i hope?

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i0h-:

the card that is

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GreyFoxx:

There are many ubuntu users, so it shouldn't be extremely difficult

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robbins876:

You know what is awesome? Porn.

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** kormoc raises an eyebrow. **

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BULLE:

robbins876: the internet is for porn, no news there

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Zider:

porn sucks

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BULLE:

so, next kind of unrelated question, anyone here with a core 2 duo cpu that know anything about its thermal limits ?

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BULLE:

Zider: not if done properly

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Zider:

it's pointless imo

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i0h-:

thanks for the info guys.. cya

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Zider:

BULLE: and yeah, I have a c2d.. I think it tops out at about 65–70c

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kormoc:

BULLE, what do you want to know?

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BULLE:

well, basicly, i want to know the max core temp

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BULLE:

as read by my bios

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BULLE:

i cant seem to find any real info about that on intels homepage

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Zider:

can the bios read that?

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kormoc:

61C is the recommended top, may survive upto 65C or even to 70C

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BULLE:

yes

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kormoc:

(for long term usage)

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BULLE:

kormoc: ye, but that is Tc, that is measured on top of the heatspreader, not inside the core

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BULLE:

kormoc: and the exact Tc seem to depend on what TDP the particular cpu is rated for, in most cases that should be 65w it seems

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BULLE:

also, there is a hardwired shutoff of the cpu, at 124C

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BULLE:

125C

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Zider:

125? geez

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BULLE:

yes

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kormoc:

those are the numbers the Thermal Analysis Tool outputs

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kormoc:

which should be core temp, not TC

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BULLE:

This Thermal Analysis Tool, is it free, as in freely available for download and use ?

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kormoc:

yeah, there's lots of places that offer it for download

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kormoc:

google can help you find it

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BULLE:

ye, already on it

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BULLE:

lets now just pray its not a windows app

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kormoc:

a little late, it is

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BULLE:

so it is a windows app ?

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kormoc:

aye

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juski:

I think my next patch might be something to automagically delete shopping channels, UK ones at least

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BULLE:

so its totaly useless, for my mythtv box, as it doesnt have windows installed

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robbins876:

Anyone here have a nintendo DS?

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Inssomniak:

how do you delete input connections?

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D-side:

robbins876: uh, yeah.

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D-side:

DS lite.

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robbins876:

what games do i need to get?

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D-side:

uh.

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D-side:

new super mario bros without a doubt... bomberman DS if you're a bomberman fan

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robbins876:

i told my mom new super mario bros, mario kart and brain age

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D-side:

those three are solid choices you won't be disappointed with.

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robbins876:

do you have or have you played wario ware?

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D-side:

yeah and its a pile of crap, avoid it at all costs

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robbins876:

will do, my roommate was saying i should get it

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D-side:

punch your roommate in the dick.

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D-side:

the star wars legos game is great, as is the new megaman game.

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robbins876:

that sounds reasonable

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robbins876:

how are the graphics in new super mario bros?

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D-side:

thats really a very silly question. :D

[22:50:48]

D-side:

its like snes.

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D-side:

maybe a little better.

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D-side:

have you got any Hollywood Video stores where you are (assuming you're in the US)

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robbins876:

i've never even played a ds before, but my mom was houding me for christmas ideas so i blurted out the DS

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robbins876:

yeah, i do

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D-side:

do any of those hollywood video stores have a Game Crazy store attached to it?

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D-side:

the GC stores are a subsidiary of hollywood video, so theres usually a gc store attached to a HV

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BULLE:

robbins876: castlevania, both games

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BULLE:

Captain_Murdoch: and then, metroid hunters

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D-side:

i dunno about that metroid game. it takes a lot of getting useed to.

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BULLE:

D-side: its great fun

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D-side:

robbins876: anyway. the reason i'm asking about the gamecrazy stoores is, so long as you bring your ds into the store, they'll let you play any DS game you want.

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D-side:

if theres a brand new one out thats never been opened, they'll take it off the shelf, open it up, and let you play it right there

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robbins876:

yeah, i dont' think there's a game crazy

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robbins876:

BULLE: What's castlevania all about?

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D-side:

robbins876: gamecrazy.com, pop in your zip code. just in case. i've found it to be the best way to determine which games i'll waste my money on.

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D-side:

what the

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D-side:

how old are you?!

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robbins876:

21 years old

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D-side:

how can you not know what castelvania is? i mean you're not THAT young

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robbins876:

i've never played it

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D-side:

am i that old? :(

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Zider:

how old? :P

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janneg:

BULLE: http://mactel-linux.svn.sourceforge.net/viewv . . . p;pathrev=72

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janneg:

it's a kernel patch that adds a hwmon driver for the internal temperature sensors

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Zider:

D-side?

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robbins876:

Mario vs. Donkey Kong 2?

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D-side:

robbins876: fun but missable.

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robbins876:

missable?

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D-side:

its like.. ever play lemmings?

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robbins876:

that's an adjective i'm not familiar with

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D-side:

the world wont stop if you don't pick up that game.

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robbins876:

nope, never a lemmings player either

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D-side:

then don't bother.

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robbins876:

is that kirby game any good?

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D-side:

never played it

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robbins876:

any other games you think outside of those 3 i listed?

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Zider:

robbins876: change your christmas wish to a gp2x :)

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robbins876:

gp2x?

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Zider:

gamepark model 2

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robbins876:

I love linux, but i think the a hand-held is something i'll pick up to get away from stress... and opensource handheld seems to kind of defeat the purpose... i just want to put in a game and play it

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Zider:

just pick a game in the list and play it. ;)

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stuarta:

juski: hehe! more theme changes, oh dear

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Inssomniak:

does anyone know how do you delete input connections? I added some by mistake now I cant remove them

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janneg:

'd' or 'm'

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Inssomniak:

doesnt work for me :(

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Inssomniak:

myth-setup compains on exit about those input connections having no channel number, but I dont even want those input connections anymore!

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BULLE:

janneg: thanks, i will take a look at that patch, and what that hw sensor says

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Jazbo:

omg lemmings is great

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awilkins:

Oh No!

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awilkins:

*pop*

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frank___:

is there a way to schedule the recording of a program only if the episode is specified (EPxxxxxxx) not just the show

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frank___:

ex: only the new Colbert Report episodes

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kormoc:

frank___, not yet, I've been attempting to patch it, but nothing working yet

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frank___:

kormoc: ok

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Inssomniak:

DiSEqCDevTree, Error: No root device tree node

[23:39:47]

Inssomniak:

DiSEqCDevTree, Warning: No device tree for cardid 6

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Inssomniak:

what does all this mean?

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Inssomniak:

banging my head now

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frank___:

and why would mythtranscode (at priority 17) cause firefox (at priority 0) to slow down to a crawl? This is in Kubuntu

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frank___:

I doubt it's mythtv's fault but it's very annoying

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Zider:

isn't prio17 pretty high?

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BULLE:

nah, the higher, the less ammount of cpu time it gets

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frank___:

Zider: it works the other way around

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Zider:

ah

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Zider:

got it all backwards then :D

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frank___:

does anyone here use tvwish? Are there alternatives to it?

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Zider:

searches where?

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janneg:

Inssomniak: do you use DVB-S?

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Inssomniak:

yea]

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frank___:

Zider: you have to create a list (something like IMDB top500 or whatever) then tvwish looks through the cable listings and schedules everything on the list

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janneg:

you might need to make a valid diseqc configuration in the card menu

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Zider:

mkay

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