Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Sunday, December 10th, 2006, 00:00 UTC

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|Torg|:

that would be it :)

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EnterUserName:

Zider: ya I have a nvidia but it doesnt like 3 outputs

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|Torg|:

are you asking if that card will work in myth?

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EnterUserName:

no..

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EnterUserName:

I had it working in myth but it can't handle 3 outputs

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Zider:

EnterUserName: no, that's why you getmore nvidia cards ;)

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|Torg|:

which 3?

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EnterUserName:

Svideo/DVI/VGA

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EnterUserName:

So now i wanna get a PCI svideo card :)

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|Torg|:

why do you want 3 outputs?

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EnterUserName:

umm

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EnterUserName:

I want 2 monitors for my computer use

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EnterUserName:

and a tv output to watch tcv :)

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EnterUserName:

Maybe i'll ask my friend for his PVR 350 :S

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stuarta:

the hardware to drive the 2nd head is also used for the tv out, so you can't use both

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EnterUserName:

stuarta: yup

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EnterUserName:

so now im lookign for a PCI svideo card..

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EnterUserName:

i guess a PVR 350 would work no?

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EnterUserName:

but do you guys have any suggestiosn other than that?

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|Torg|:

pci? or pci-x?

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EnterUserName:

PCI.

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EnterUserName:

(My current card is takign up my pci express)

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Zider:

pci-x is pretty rare

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EnterUserName:

oh

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|Torg|:

http://www.atacom.com/program/print_html_new. . . . ;USER_ID=www

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EnterUserName:

ya pci-x is rare

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EnterUserName:

looking it up

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EnterUserName:

hmm that one doesnt do svideo.. its dvi/vga..

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EnterUserName:

but i guess i could use it for the dvi..

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EnterUserName:

Torg: is that PCI or pci express?

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|Torg|:

pcix

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EnterUserName:

oh i need regular PCI :)

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stuarta:

pcix != pci express

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** EnterUserName nods **

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|Torg|:

yea yea I know

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EnterUserName:

yup i know :)

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stuarta:

pcie = pci express

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EnterUserName:

i think i found one..

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EnterUserName:

its cheap too :)

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EnterUserName:

u think this woudl work with mythtv

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EnterUserName:

EVGA E-GEFORCE FX 5500

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|Torg|:

do you want to watch HDTV?

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EnterUserName:

no

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|Torg|:

then yes

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EnterUserName:

hrm.. this should work ;)

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EnterUserName:

hey guys

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EnterUserName:

how about this one for digital

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EnterUserName:

EVGA E-GEFORCE MX 4000 PCI 64MB DDR VGA TV Out Video Card

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EnterUserName:

would it work o-k for tvo ut?

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|Torg|:

how much is that card?

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EnterUserName:

45.80

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EnterUserName:

the above was 60.00 domething

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EnterUserName:

but it requires 250 watt power supply.. ihave that but it might be a bit too much with all my other stuff

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EnterUserName:

the above one.

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EnterUserName:

the 45.80 i think will take less power

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|Torg|:

im not certain if the 4000 will work, it should but like I said Im not certain it will

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EnterUserName:

hmm

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EnterUserName:

the other wierd thing is the picture doesnt like PCI

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EnterUserName:

:S

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EnterUserName:

EVGA E-GEFORCE MX 4000 PCI 64MB DDR VGA TV Out Video Card

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EnterUserName:

ill call them up and ask them on monday

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EnterUserName:

http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=17 . . . facture=eVGA

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EnterUserName:

http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=21 . . . facture=eVGA

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EnterUserName:

doesnt it look like AGP?

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|Torg|:

the card pictured is an AGP card, yes

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EnterUserName:

Torg: both of them?

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|Torg|:

the former is not

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|Torg|:

the picture that is

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EnterUserName:

oh what is the former

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EnterUserName:

PCI express or PCI?

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EnterUserName:

cuz thats the one i'll order

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|Torg|:

<EnterUserName> http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=17 . . . facture=eVGA

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|Torg|:

thats a pci card

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|Torg|:

<EnterUserName> http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=21 . . . facture=eVGA

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|Torg|:

thats and agp card

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|Torg|:

or at least thats what the pictures are

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EnterUserName:

i think you mixed the too :)

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EnterUserName:

nevermind u didnt

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|Torg|:

no I got it right

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EnterUserName:

ok thank u torg for your help

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sirspiddy:

what type of output are you looking for s-video, composit?

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EnterUserName:

Svideo

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EnterUserName:

s-video..

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sirspiddy:

PCI correct?

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EnterUserName:

Yup

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sirspiddy:

here's a list from newegg http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.asp . . . ;srchInDesc=

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sirspiddy:

fx series

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kenguru:

i have 5200fx pci

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EnterUserName:

hmm

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EnterUserName:

im looking at that one..

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kenguru:

in carpc i think that might be fastest pci display adapter?

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EnterUserName:

43.99

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kenguru:

that cost about 45euros.

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EnterUserName:

kenguru: how is it/

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EnterUserName:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.asp . . . ;srchInDesc=

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EnterUserName:

erj

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EnterUserName:

erl

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EnterUserName:

how does it perform?

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kenguru:

oh, 5500fx exist also.

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|Torg|:

for TV? in SD, you wont come close to its capabilities

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kenguru:

but now sleep. gf forces.

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kenguru:

:/

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|Torg|:

in HDTV if you use XVMC you can probbaly make it show up in top

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EnterUserName:

Im using Digital Cable not hdtv i'm too poor for that :p

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|Torg|:

the issue you want is what drivrs in linux are stable

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EnterUserName:

oh

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|Torg|:

just about any video card will work

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EnterUserName:

Nvidias usually stable isnt ti

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EnterUserName:

5200?

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[ShiftyPowers[:

hey guys, how can i compile just mythfrontend on a system

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[ShiftyPowers[:

is there an option in ./configure

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[ShiftyPowers[:

?

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|Torg|:

yes

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[ShiftyPowers[:

been searching and can't figure it out

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[ShiftyPowers[:

i know there is an option

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[ShiftyPowers[:

given that the configure summary has a switch for backend

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|Torg|:

what do you want to compile it on?

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[ShiftyPowers[:

on my main desktop which is just a frontend

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[ShiftyPowers[:

will connect to my main backend just to watch shows

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siXy:

EnterUserName, the fx series occasionally have oerscan issues, but other than that are good cards. i am using a fanelss 7300 right now in my primary frontend and getting very good mialge with that

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stuarta:

those options are only used for porting and shouldn't be used otherwise

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EnterUserName:

sixy: PCI card?

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|Torg|:

ahh they wer removed

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|Torg|:

no you have to compile them both

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[ShiftyPowers[:

ah ok

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[ShiftyPowers[:

that's what i figured now

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[ShiftyPowers[:

seems like you have to configure both then eh?

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|Torg|:

its in the configure file

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|Torg|:

it compiles both by default

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[ShiftyPowers[:

so there is not option to deactivate it?

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[ShiftyPowers[:

or can i edit the config file?

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|Torg|:

--diable-backend

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|Torg|:

err disable

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|Torg|:

it says it will break dependendies

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siXy:

well the one in my primary frontend is pci-e. ive used a fair few nvidia pci cards in frontends too and they have worked fine, although i has issues with XvMC on the mx4000 cards

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[ShiftyPowers[:

disable-backend is not allowed on latest svn

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[ShiftyPowers[:

won't configure

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sirspiddy:

anyone using a harmony 880 remote?

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|Torg|:

seth has one, hes not arround tho

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siXy:

sirspiddy, not personally although i have set them up for mythtv. i use one of the lesser harmonys as i prefer the way it looks

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sirspiddy:

just wanted to get some feedback if it is worth the cash

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sirspiddy:

thanks siXy, 660 or 670?

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[ShiftyPowers[:

does anyone have a guide on how to enable 100mbps networking on my LAN between my backend and other wired desktops? anyway to check what speed is being used?

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siXy:

sirspiddy, the harmony series as a whole are excellent and defiantley worth it. which model, exactly is a tough call as it depends on your budget and how many devices you have (and also which you like the look of)

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sirspiddy:

thanks siXy, I'll decided sooner or later

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siXy:

nps

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|Torg|:

ShiftyPowers it depends on the hardware

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|Torg|:

most drivers will tell yuo in a cnsole message

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|Torg|:

you can try mii-tool

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|Torg|:

or you can just use GE :)

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[ShiftyPowers[:

GE?

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|Torg|:

Gigabit Ethernet

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[ShiftyPowers[:

ah :)

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BULLE:

if you config mythtv to run mythfilldatabase by itself, where does it expect the .xmltv config file to reside ? and is it the frontend or backend that actualy executes mythfilldatabase ?

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AngryElf:

so I hear myth stores all frontend options in the DB, cool — let's say I format a FE box and rebuild it — what has to be the same about the box in order to get those settings back automagically? — hostname? ip? somethin else?

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GreyFoxx:

hostname

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|Torg|:

hostname

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AngryElf:

awesome, thanx guys

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rukuartic:

I still can't get audio from music to work = audio from dvd works fine.

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|Torg|:

GreyFoxx simply changing the name did not work

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|Torg|:

[I] Add new device : Name='MYTH: 1 : Windows Media Connect' Id='uuid:cbc8d77a-3450–4c96-9186-e1d21ca594ce' descURL='http://10.1.1.161:6544/getDeviceDesc'

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|Torg|:

[I] Add new device : Name='TORG: 1 : Windows Media Connect' Id='uuid:e4da4c0b-5fb6–4b1c-914c-1a1bcf22fb44' descURL='http://10.1.1.1:2869/upnphost/udhisapi.dll?co . . . a1bcf22fb44'

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|Torg|:

the 360 sees only the secon

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GreyFoxx:

There are 2 fields that have to change actually

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GreyFoxx:

I havd to dig into my notes

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|Torg|:

I changed 3

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|Torg|:

<friendlyName>MYTH: 1 : Windows Media Connect</friendlyName>

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|Torg|:

<modelDescription>MYTH: 1 : Windows Media Connect</modelDescription>

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|Torg|:

<modelName>MYTH: 1 : Windows Media Connect</modelName>

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GreyFoxx:

the Model name must be "Windows Media Connect"

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GreyFoxx:

the friendly name must be ": 1 : Windows Media Connect"

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|Torg|:

description?

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GreyFoxx:

no mention of it having to be anything

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|Torg|:

you sure about that friendly name?

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|Torg|:

[I] Add new device : Name=': 1 : Windows Media Connect' Id='uuid:cbc8d77a-3450–4c96-9186-e1d21ca594ce' descURL='http://10.1.1.161:6544/getDeviceDesc'

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|Torg|:

thats how djmount sees it

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GreyFoxx:

That what I read said, not being a 360 owner I haven't actually tried it personally :

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GreyFoxx:

)

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|Torg|:

<friendlyName>: 1 : Windows Media Connect</friendlyName>

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|Torg|:

<modelDescription>Windows Media Connect</modelDescription>

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|Torg|:

<modelName>Windows Media Connect</modelName>

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|Torg|:

still nogo

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teejay_:

:E

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GreyFoxx:

It might also require the X_MS_MediaReceiverRegsitrar service to be available

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|Torg|:

wonderfull, how do I impliment that on a linux box

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GreyFoxx:

I wrote most of it last night :)

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|Torg|:

maybe we just say screw the 360

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|Torg|:

besides if we got it work we just may piss off ol M$

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GreyFoxx:

the service was needed anyway since some other players require it too

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GreyFoxx:

I really don't care about microsoft

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|Torg|:

could I fore the service to my windows box and still fead the upnp from the linux

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GreyFoxx:

no

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|Torg|:

hmm theres nothing about it on google, you got a refernce on the X_MS_MediaReceiverRegsitrar service

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GreyFoxx:

YUp, I have docs on it

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GreyFoxx:

It's nothign special

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GreyFoxx:

"Can I regsiter with you? Yes/No"

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GreyFoxx:

"Can I watch this video? Yes/No"

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|Torg|:

what port? and what porotcal?

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|Torg|:

and can you share those docs?

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GreyFoxx:

so I just fake it and allow all registrations and playback authorizations

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GreyFoxx:

It's a upnp service

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|Torg|:

just tell it yes to whatever it asks

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GreyFoxx:

just another other top of the 2 services we already have

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mchou:

Is there any easy way to delete all "livetv" recordings?

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mchou:

just figured out they were all over my "recordings" volume

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[ShiftyPowers[:

i've got my audio working great through ALSA on myth but can't get the "default" mixer to actually control the volume

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[ShiftyPowers[:

anyone know how to search for which mixer is actually controlling the volume?

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|Torg|:

type alsamixer its on the top

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[ShiftyPowers[:

ah cool :)

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[ShiftyPowers[:

typed alsamixer and don't see hwere it owuld be

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[ShiftyPowers[:

all i see is Item

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jams:

mchou http://pastebin.ca/273681

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jams:

i use that every once in a while to clear out the live-tv stuff

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mchou:

jams: hx

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mchou:

thx*

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jams:

of course modify to meet your needs

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jams:

oh you would also need to remove the LiveTV entries from the database

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mchou:

yeah....I just needed a way to identify them :)

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jams:

cool

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mchou:

regroup="LiveTV" was the ksy I was missing

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mchou:

key*

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[ShiftyPowers[:

torg any ideas?

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mchou:

jams: was doing lots of new testing with new STB....

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|Torg|:

it shoudl show you on top

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[ShiftyPowers[:

hmm, i see the mixer bars

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[ShiftyPowers[:

but it doesn't say default or anything

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[ShiftyPowers[:

i see card chip view and item

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|Torg|:

lqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqq[AlsaMixer v1.0.8 (Press Escape to quit)]qqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqk

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|Torg|:

x Card: SiS SI7012 x

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|Torg|:

x Chip: C-Media Electronics CMI9738

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|Torg|:

looks like that, only with the chars not so ugly :)

[02:15:36]

mchou:

lol

[02:15:50]

mchou:

that must be a really OLD mobo

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[ShiftyPowers[:

yeah i see that

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|Torg|:

its my BE

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mchou:

CMI9738 was really crap

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[ShiftyPowers[:

but when i put default under mixer options in mythtv i get no ability to change the volume

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|Torg|:

I dont care, there isnt anything connected to it

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[ShiftyPowers[:

sounds still works but

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mchou:

had problems with full duplex

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|Torg|:

ther inst anything connected to the mouse, the video or the keybaord either

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|Torg|:

its a BE,its a server, it has 2 dvb-atsc cards in and an ethernet

[02:17:33]

mchou:

if it's a be would would you care about the volume?

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[ShiftyPowers[:

for me it's a BE and FE

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|Torg|:

the backend server collectes antenna inputs, schedules recording, has the databse, etc

[02:20:18]

|Torg|:

there is no reason to connect user input or output devices for it

[02:20:19]

mchou:

crappy western digital. lameass crashed on me

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|Torg|:

for that matter there is no reason it is in the living room other then the fact I like it there :)

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adante:

i'm getting a lot of "transcoded failed with status: 255" in the backend status – i can't see anything in the logs which explains this, does anybody know what could be causing it?

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newbie0057:

hi, I just installed mythtv, I'm having trouble configuring it

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rogue780:

newbie0057, what kind of trouble? and what distro are you using?

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newbie0057:

I'm using ubuntu

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newbie0057:

right now I'm trying to set the card type from mythtv-setup

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rogue780:

what type of card do you have?

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rogue780:

I'm running an ubuntu backend too

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newbie0057:

I don't know,, I have two installed one is from a company called Norwood, the other is pixview

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rogue780:

Norwood and pixview are the brand names?

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newbie0057:

yes,, before I tried lspci -v and saw Hauuggpauge

[03:06:09]

newbie0057:

let me check it again

[03:07:42]

newbie0057:

according to lspci I have something called Brooktree Corporation Bt878 Video Capture Decoder

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newbie0057:

and Conexant CX23880/1/2/3 PCI Video and Audio Decoder (rev 05)

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rogue780:

alright. I'm kind of a noob at this too, but I'm going to say that the conexant card should be a mpeg2 encoder card. hauppauge uses that brand of chip, not sure on the exact chip so try that.

[03:09:23]

newbie0057:

thanks I'll try that

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rogue780:

on the other one, you're going to just have to play around with it a little to get it to work maybe? and they might not be compatible cards either. I have a hauppauge card that is incompatible with linux alltogether.

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rogue780:

it was real cheap though...crappy card

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rogue780:

hope that helps

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newbie0057:

this is also cheap

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rogue780:

and make sure you check out https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV

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rogue780:

and the #ubuntu-mythtv channel. superm1 is really good

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rogue780:

he knows his stuff

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newbie0057:

do I need to set a video source to test it?

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rogue780:

yes

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newbie0057:

just to test the card?

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rogue780:

with mythtv yes

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rogue780:

mythbackend won't function unless there is a video source

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newbie0057:

is the user name is referring to mySQL database or a thrid party website?

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rogue780:

and with that, I must bid ye all a good night.

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newbie0057:

thanks for your help

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rogue780:

if it's for the zap2it, then a 3rd party website

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rogue780:

g'night

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rothga2:

I just bought a pvr-500 and playback is very fuzzy. anyone else have similar results?

[03:17:41]

rothga2:

I am folowing a couple of wiki's and looking through documentation now

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rothga2:

but thought I would still ask

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jams:

rothga1- I would double check the antenna has a tight connection

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rothga1:

it is over cable

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rothga1:

I tried 2 cables and they both seem tight

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rothga1:

maybe I will try a shorter cable run

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jams:

that would work. Also if you can hook up a TV to see if the static is still there

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ServerSage:

rothga1: Do you have a splitter in the line?

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jams:

I have 3 pvr-500's and they have a good picture

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rothga1:

I do have a splitter

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rothga1:

and a tv on the same line

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rothga1:

the tv looks fine though (but it is closer to the source)

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** rothga1 is gelous of jams's 6 tuners **

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rothga1:

jelous*

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ServerSage:

rothga1: I ask because I had a splitter and a fuzzy picture on my PVR-250 cards, but the TV looked good. Got rid of the splitter, and that got rid of the static.

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|Torg|:

thats a bad splitter

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|Torg|:

you should use a drop amp anyway

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ServerSage:

Torg: Thats what I ended up doing.

[03:41:21]

|Torg|:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ELECTROLINE-4-PORT-CABLE- . . . cmdZViewItem

[03:41:24]

|Torg|:

I have one of thos

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|Torg|:

the only draback is my cards think I have 100% signal :P

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ServerSage:

Torg: I have the same product line, only the 8 port version.

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rothga1:

so those split and amplify?

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ServerSage:

Torg: My cable modem was a much happier camper.

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ServerSage:

rothga1: Yup.

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|Torg|:

without it I get 2 channels, with it about 15 (demasiado malo estan en espanol)

[03:42:52]

|Torg|:

yes thats 1 in, 1 power, 4 out

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|Torg|:

btw thats an example of one, there are 8 out version too

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ServerSage:

rothga1: Here is the product line: http://www.cabletvamps.com/drop%20amps.htm

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|Torg|:

most the 4 outs give you 7db, the 8s have some 7s some 4s

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rothga1:

I am going to take out the splitter (which means my internet goes with it) brb...hopefully

[03:44:52]

rothga1:

thanks for the tips

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|Torg|:

they are specifly made for cable modems which need bi-directinal. but they work in VHF and UHF too

[03:45:48]

|Torg|:

if you have any cable connected to your chain but not conncted to anything at the ends, disconnect them

[03:46:05]

|Torg|:

things like drops in rooms you dont use, etc

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|Torg|:

those are called bridge taps and if the correct langth can completely drain your entire singal

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sandeen:

hey metalac ... I found one other thing that helped out my box a bit

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metalac:

what was it?

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sandeen:

the nvidia AGP driver + enabling "fast writes" for agp

[03:51:00]

sandeen:

not sure what that means but fast == good right :)

[03:51:08]

metalac:

yep :)

[03:51:13]

metalac:

how did you enable it?

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sandeen:

I read a gentoo howto, though I'm ashamed to admit it ;-)

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** sandeen looks **

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ServerSage:

sandeen: Nothing wrong with reading a Gentoo howto. Far better than a *gasp* windows howto.

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metalac:

http://gentoo-wiki.com/HARDWARE_Nvidia_Driver . . . d_Addressing

[03:52:06]

metalac:

is it that?

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|Torg|:

Option "NVAGP" "3"

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sandeen:

http://gentoo-wiki.com/HARDWARE_Nvidia_Driver . . . d_Addressing

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sandeen:

now I need to google and find out what "fast wriites" actually are

[03:53:04]

|Torg|:

there writes teh agp apature

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|Torg|:

writes to the PCI bus is normally though the memmory

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|Torg|:

fast writes bypass that and allow you to send them to the bus withougt staging (or buffering)

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sandeen:

metalac, if your kernel has agp built in, you have to boot w/ agp=off

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sandeen:

|Torg|, so why isn't that done normally or by default...

[03:54:16]

|Torg|:

the thing in the agp slot needs to support it

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sandeen:

sounds like O_DIRECT for video :)

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|Torg|:

that and how would you like to do it gart or nvidia agp?

[03:55:38]

sandeen:

|Torg|, but it's not an nvidia-specific thing I take it?

[03:55:59]

|Torg|:

no, its not

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sandeen:

k

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sandeen:

well, neato :)

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|Torg|:

in fact nvidia has its own way of doing it

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|Torg|:

it is specifly what the NVAGP optiopns does

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sandeen:

k

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|Torg|:

0=off, 1=use agpgart, 2=use nvagp, 3=use nvagp if fail then use agpgart

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sandeen:

so |Torg| what do you do in real life? :)

[03:57:26]

|Torg|:

mine? its set to 3

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|Torg|:

but I cant figure out why my nvidia kernel drier isnist in useing gart

[03:57:46]

sandeen:

no I meant like for a living. if you aren't 13 that is, if you make a living :)

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|Torg|:

with it or without it tho I dont see much differnce

[03:58:08]

|Torg|:

probably has to do allot with the fact other then the sound card there isnt anyting on the bus

[03:58:10]

sandeen:

|Torg|, silly question, is agp built in?

[03:58:25]

|Torg|:

what do I do for a living? im an it consultant

[03:58:43]

sandeen:

wondered if you did graphics stuff by profession

[03:59:03]

|Torg|:

I used to be a sollris admin before

[03:59:18]

|Torg|:

im an it arictect but mostly do DR/BCP stuff

[03:59:32]

|Torg|:

im ITIL certified and do HP computing

[03:59:38]

|Torg|:

you want my resume :P

[04:00:05]

sandeen:

not unless you do filesystems :)

[04:00:06]

|Torg|:

http://www.sun.com/service/grid/

[04:00:14]

|Torg|:

I helped build that

[04:00:20]

|Torg|:

specialy the storage and provisinon systems

[04:00:34]

|Torg|:

what would you like to knw about your filesystem?

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sandeen:

i'd like to help hire someone else to help me work on ext4 :)

[04:01:03]

sandeen:

or do the other stuff so I can spend more time on ext4 :)

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|Torg|:

whats wrong with your fs?

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sid:

Is there any hardware device I can buy where they drop money on it(like the razor companies that sell the handle cheap and charge a lot for the blades)

[04:03:32]

sandeen:

nothing is wrong with my fs... unless by"my" fs you mean ext3 then what's wrong with it is it doesn't scale :)

[04:03:39]

sid:

ie, can I buy an XBOX and turn it into a MythTV box and save money? or a TiVO and turn it into MythTV?

[04:03:55]

sandeen:

tivo, no

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|Torg|:

xbox into myth FE, tivo into a doorstop

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|Torg|:

door into a table

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sandeen:

xbox, yes you can do myth bug dunno if it's saving money

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sandeen:

s/bug/but

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sid:

Well XBOX is like $100 USD no?

[04:04:30]

|Torg|:

play games on your xbox, its what it was designed for

[04:04:34]

sid:

So buy and XBOX and just get a hauppauge capture card?

[04:04:52]

sid:

s/buy and/buy an/

[04:05:06]

|Torg|:

xbox = $100, modchip = $7–75 (depends on how well you know how to solder), HDD= $200 (you did want to do somehting with it)

[04:05:18]

sandeen:

|Torg|, I worked on xfs for 5+ years at sgi, now working on ext[34] and other fs stuff @rh

[04:05:20]

sid:

You don't need a modchip, you can just flash the eeprom

[04:05:22]

|Torg|:

what would you like to connect that hauppauge to?

[04:05:46]

sid:

damn

[04:05:51]

|Torg|:

mostly sandeen my storage exp is on SRM and from HBA to array

[04:06:07]

sandeen:

|Torg|, i.e. real storage :)

[04:06:14]

|Torg|:

I can fake vxfs/vxvm well enugh but I dont do FS :)

[04:06:42]

sid:

So there is no decent way to save money and make a MythTV box?

[04:07:03]

|Torg|:

depends on what you want to watch sid and where you plan on getting yuor video

[04:07:53]

sid:

|Torg|: I have one tv, with a digital cable box. I just wanted to record shit when I wasn't at home.(science/history/discovery channels)

[04:08:07]

|Torg|:

what kind of digital cable box?

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sandeen:

sid, sure you can save money... depends on how much I guess

[04:08:11]

sid:

But I didn't want to drop $500 USD on a box

[04:08:39]

sandeen:

I got a 64-bit compaq sempron new from compusa for $125 last year

[04:08:49]

** sandeen wishes he could find another **

[04:09:19]

sid:

|Torg|: a scientific atlanta explorer 4200

[04:09:29]

sandeen:

sid, heck even dell has decent boxes for well under $500

[04:09:40]

sid:

yea I guess

[04:09:59]

sid:

I was just hoping to make Microsoft lose $100 USD because of me buying an XBOX and never buying games

[04:10:03]

h|barbobot:

win 13

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|Torg|:

sid does it have firewire out on it?

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sid:

|Torg|: an xbox, I don't think so

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sandeen:

sid, the cable box

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|Torg|:

no the cable box :P

[04:11:11]

sandeen:

|Torg|, only a few channels can be had via firewire though, no?

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** sandeen wonders how cableboxes work **

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|Torg|:

yea depdns pon provider tho

[04:11:40]

|Torg|:

same as any othr encution with cams built in

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xris:

sandeenI get all on mine

[04:12:16]

xris:

hmm, should have been a space in there. heh

[04:12:18]

sandeen:

xris, out the firewire? neato.

[04:12:25]

|Torg|:

you could connect the video/audi out of the cable box to a pvr-250/350 card

[04:12:27]

sid:

|Torg|: no firewire that I see. but it has usb

[04:12:28]

xris:

sandeen: everything except vh1 SD, for some reason

[04:12:32]

sandeen:

even premium channels? nice deal.

[04:12:48]

|Torg|:

reocrd it to a hd with a FE/BE built togehrer

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xris:

sandeen: I get hbo, yes. (which I apparently pay for)

[04:12:54]

|Torg|:

use a ir-balster to change channels and voila, homemade dvr

[04:12:59]

xris:

sandeen: it really depends on your provider.

[04:13:14]

sandeen:

xris, well I have basic-1 $8.99 cable so I wouldn't know about all that ;-)

[04:13:18]

sid:

Are there MythTV stickers? So if I ever get an XBOX working with MythTV I can cover all the MS/XBOX logos?

[04:13:29]

sandeen:

sid, you can probably make them

[04:13:31]

xris:

sid: only the ones you make yourself. :)

[04:13:34]

sandeen:

but then you'd have to find a cheap printer ;-)

[04:13:36]

sid:

eh, my art skills are bad

[04:14:02]

jams:

i think Juski has some artwork, or maybe some leftover casebadges

[04:14:03]

** xris wonders if Isaac could make money with cafepress stuff. **

[04:14:10]

** |Torg| thinkgs of making his own "buy your mythtv box mods here" site **

[04:14:20]

sid:

Are there all in one card, ie I can take out the XBOX card, and put a capture/tv-out card in it's place.

[04:15:17]

sandeen:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Logo <-- hmm need more pixels

[04:15:20]

ServerSage:

sid: You can't remove the "card" from the xbox. The xbox isn't a computer (well it is, but not in the sense you are thinking).

[04:16:11]

sandeen:

sid, I got an old p4 cheap, then spent $70 on a pvr-150, $32 on a hdtv tuner, $30 on an nvidia card, and $12 on a sound card

[04:16:21]

sandeen:

each of the above discounted $20 via google checkout :)

[04:16:33]

sandeen:

still need storage

[04:16:36]

|Torg|:

sid if you could take the xbox hardware and replace it I would have done that a long time ago......wait I did put a SST chip in :P

[04:17:03]

sid:

What makes the TiVO so un-hackable?

[04:17:12]

sandeen:

sid, it's not that it's unhackable

[04:17:16]

|Torg|:

same thing that makes the xbox unhackable

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|Torg|:

unless you mean software

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sid:

But the XBOX is hackable. you can basically do anything you want with it

[04:17:44]

|Torg|:

then so is the tivo

[04:17:52]

sid:

Can't I just rip off the tpm chip and other trusted computing chips to make the TiVO work how I want it to?

[04:17:53]

sandeen:

the tivo has lots of proprietary hardware in it

[04:17:57]

sandeen:

and no pci slots

[04:18:01]

sid:

Get a soldering gun and just rip off the bad stuff?

[04:18:04]

|Torg|:

and you cant do exactly ANYTING just whats within its harware

[04:18:24]

sandeen:

sid, no

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|Torg|:

umm sandeen there is a pci slot, one tho and you have to make an adapter for it

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|Torg|:

oops ide

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|Torg|:

I think , i have a nic in mine :)

[04:19:35]

** sandeen looks for internal photos of the series2 **

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|Torg|:

but why would you hack the tv to record and play tv :P

[04:19:42]

sandeen:

|Torg|, yours is probably series1

[04:19:46]

sandeen:

?

[04:19:46]

|Torg|:

I ahve a series1

[04:19:52]

sandeen:

yeah mine is much less hackable

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|Torg|:

its older then the replay4ks I got

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sandeen:

takes like 10 mins to boot, has to checksum everything :/

[04:20:10]

rothga4:

alright, so I took out my splitter and line amp and the signal is much worse (almost unwatchable) as opposed to just static

[04:20:30]

sandeen:

i ran around my house taking out all the splitters...

[04:21:43]

rothga4:

to me, that seems that the probem isn't with the splitters

[04:22:12]

rothga4:

but I have been wrong before

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sandeen:

so my squeezebox sees my mythbox... is that an intentional feature or some freaky coincidence? :)

[04:24:36]

xris:

sandeen: sees it how?

[04:24:47]

sandeen:

sees it as an audio source it seems

[04:24:57]

sandeen:

i'd have to go look at it to remember exactly

[04:25:06]

sandeen:

maybe it' sthe upnp stuff

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xris:

sounds like it

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sandeen:

a from the wiki: Slimserver: a non-tested free open source UPnP-client (and server) from Slim Devices for Windows, Linux and Mac OSX.

[04:25:32]

sandeen:

neato.

[04:26:34]

sandeen:

though when I tried to play something it didn't work. and I don't reallly want to -listen- to my shows :)

[04:26:45]

ServerSage:

Does anybody here run mythbackend in a vmware appliance?

[04:27:05]

|Torg|:

why would you want to?

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siXy:

ServerSage, not possible

[04:27:39]

sid:

So you don't need a second computer and you can continue to use evil proprietary MS Windows?

[04:28:00]

ServerSage:

siXy: And why not?

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siXy:

mythbackend needs direct access to the hardware. even on xen it wouldnt work

[04:28:17]

siXy:

and vmware is a lot worse than xen for hardware access

[04:28:32]

sandeen:

siXy, just can't keep up or what?

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ServerSage:

siXy: Anything is possible. :)

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|Torg|:

vmware runs on linux too

[04:29:08]

siXy:

ServerSage, no. not everything is possible.

[04:29:13]

|Torg|:

in fact thats what ESX is

[04:29:44]

|Torg|:

but your goign to have issues with teh DVB cards, there are no passthough for it

[04:29:44]

siXy:

sandeen, its not a speed issue, its that mythbackend needs to directly connect to the hardware device and vmware doesnt allow tha

[04:29:54]

|Torg|:

and the video viers are all propriatary

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sandeen:

siXy, I was more interested in xen...

[04:30:08]

|Torg|:

you could run say a mythtrancode or commgflagg in one

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sandeen:

|Torg|, but he was asking about the backend

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siXy:

sandeen, same issue

[04:31:11]

** sandeen goes about making his pvr-150 remote work and then the myth box will be downright functional **

[04:31:34]

sandeen:

hey which filesystem was teh "slow delete" feature done for?

[04:31:42]

siXy:

ext3

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sandeen:

interesting

[04:36:52]

quantum:

I just upgrade my kernel, but now lircd doesn't work

[04:36:56]

quantum:

can anyone help with this?

[04:36:57]

siXy:

its not a bad idea to use xfs for the drive you are storing your recordings on as long as its not your / partition

[04:37:10]

sandeen:

quantum, you'll need updated lirc modules

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sandeen:

siXy, I use xfs on /. but then I was an xfs developer :)

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quantum:

sandeen: I think I did

[04:37:42]

quantum:

I get: could not get file information for /dev/lirc

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sandeen:

quantum, is it loaded?

[04:37:50]

quantum:

efault_init(): No such file or directory

[04:38:16]

quantum:

sandeen, : how can I check? if I run lircd -n it seems like it runs, but when I run irw to check it it crashes

[04:38:25]

sandeen:

lsmod | grep lirc

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|Torg|:

so let me get this stright xfs is faster then ext3?

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quantum:

lirc_i2c 8452 0

[04:38:56]

quantum:

i2c_core 22721 6 nvidia,cx88xx,bttv,i2c_algo_bit,tveeprom,lirc_i2c

[04:38:56]

quantum:

lirc_dev 13584 1 lirc_i2c

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sandeen:

|Torg|, like everything else it depends on what you are doing

[04:39:10]

sandeen:

quantum, ok well worth checking :)

[04:39:26]

quantum:

does that mean it is loaded o.k.?

[04:39:28]

sandeen:

lots of shops use xfs for streaming media :)

[04:39:33]

sandeen:

quantum, it means it's loaded

[04:39:44]

sandeen:

quantum, does /dev/lirc exist?

[04:39:59]

sandeen:

|Torg|, xfs scales very well

[04:40:13]

quantum:

nomego, I have /dev/lirc

[04:40:15]

quantum:

nomego, I have /dev/lircd

[04:40:19]

quantum:

not /dev/lirc

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|Torg|:

scale as in what, past certain size?

[04:40:35]

quantum:

only lircd exists in the directory not lirc

[04:40:42]

sandeen:

|Torg|, size, nr. of files, size of files, size of filesystem, number of filesystems

[04:40:58]

|Torg|:

I have 150G disk I use for recordsings, just testing simle tar extracts ita ~3x faster theh xfs

[04:41:05]

sandeen:

quantum, I'm just getting lirc off the ground myself so not sure what to say next :)

[04:41:22]

sandeen:

|Torg|, what is faster?

[04:41:23]

|Torg|:

so far im not convinced I need xfs

[04:41:28]

sandeen:

|Torg|, you may not

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|Torg|:

ext3 was, significantly

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quantum:

how did you get dev/lirc ?

[04:41:43]

sandeen:

surprised that -tar- would be that much faster actually...

[04:41:46]

sandeen:

quantum, udev I think

[04:41:59]

quantum:

udev lirc?

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siXy:

|Torg|, i use xfs not for its delete speed advantage as much as for its fs tools such

[04:42:24]

sandeen:

quantum, udev created it for me

[04:42:27]

sandeen:

/etc/udev/rules.d/lirc.rules

[04:42:43]

sandeen:

xfs does have very good tools for maintaing it

[04:42:48]

quantum:

KERNEL="lirc0", SYMLINK="lirc"

[04:43:03]

jams:

right lirc is created when the receiver module is loaded

[04:43:07]

sandeen:

I would like to see myth take advantage of some of the things xfs can do for better file allocation

[04:43:19]

quantum:

weird doesn't create it for me

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|Torg|:

sandeen do you ahve any benchmarks of xfs vs ext3? vs say jfs (but im not too worried if the fs tanks anyway)

[04:43:42]

jams:

maybe the module didn't load

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quantum:

well if I do dmesg |grep -i lirc, I get : lirc_dev: no version for "struct_module" found: kernel tainted.

[04:43:54]

quantum:

lirc_dev: IR Remote Control driver registered, at major 61

[04:43:55]

siXy:

sandeen, the issue i have with xfs its its over-aggressive write behind caching that can be bad news for root partitions not on a ups

[04:44:01]

quantum:

what the hell does that mean, kernel tainted

[04:44:11]

sandeen:

siXy, one thing I want to try once I get videos on a diffierent partition is to try the allocsize= mount option at a gig or so, to see if I get more contiguous files

[04:44:16]

|Torg|:

means your kernel is severyly screwed up

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quantum:

I have 2.6.17–1.2142_FC4

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quantum:

which kernel should I be running on FC4

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sandeen:

quantum, where did the lirc module come from

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|Torg|:

no, actaly it just means whoever wrote the module didnt get it presinged by the linux kernel devleopers

[04:44:49]

quantum:

yum update

[04:44:57]

siXy:

personally even for recording stuff i think thats too high

[04:44:59]

sandeen:

quantum, from where... atrpms?

[04:45:04]

|Torg|:

in other words your probly using a propriatey, closes source driver

[04:45:16]

sandeen:

siXy, if you're talking about tne null files thing that should be -much- better now

[04:45:35]

sandeen:

it's a farily specific circumstance w.r.t. truncates, and nathans added some explicit metadata flushing to help

[04:45:37]

quantum:

yeah guess so, it is on my repository list. seems like my kernel is wrong though, I don't think it maybe came from atrpms

[04:45:47]

siXy:

oh really? i have to say ive not used on a non-ups'd root in awhile now but thats good to know

[04:45:54]

sandeen:

|Torg|, well if it doesn't have versioning it might just be built wrong

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sandeen:

that taints the kernel too, there are different sorts of taints

[04:46:21]

sandeen:

modversions is different from signing

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|Torg|:

if it dont have versionisng the kernel wont load it

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quantum:

well how can I use yum to update to a different kernel that should be o.k. with lirc

[04:47:16]

|Torg|:

so sandeen yu ahve any iozone outputs of xfs I can compare to ext3?

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sandeen:

|Torg|, not handy, though I can point you to a nice benchmarking paper on very big hardware

[04:49:02]

sandeen:

|Torg|, other thing about xfs, it shows the difference much more on real storage. desktop + one ide drive is not so interesting

[04:49:41]

quantum:

I am kind of stuck the older kenernel won't work right with my sound card, and now lirc doesn't work with the newerone, there must be some way to get it to work. it is really a difficult application, not sure how to debug it

[04:49:51]

sandeen:

http://oss.sgi.com/projects/xfs/publications.html, first paper, is interesting

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|Torg|:

I can show differnced in specialized fses like samfs but generally the fs is limited to spingle

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jams:

quantum- you might just need to update the lirc package.

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sandeen:

on a single spindle, xfs may have some advanatagees by being efficient about allocations & large io submissions...

[04:51:02]

jams:

i'm sure one was build for that specific kernel

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jams:

do a yum search for lirc and see whats out there

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sandeen:

quantum, you might do modinfo lirc_dev and see if vermagic: matches your kernel

[04:51:52]

|Torg|:

well I dont saturate my io buffres as it is. Its not like im seeing high serive times or off the wall io wait

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sandeen:

|Torg|, on the mythbox you mean?

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|Torg|:

so HP filesystem fro my mythbox wasnt my first investigtion :)

[04:52:22]

sandeen:

yeah myth doesn't stress things too much honestly

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|Torg|:

yea

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quantum:

it looks like it does

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sandeen:

though if you have several tuners all saving streams it'll interlace the files badly

[04:52:47]

quantum:

2.6.17–1.2142_FC4 mod_unload 686 REGPARM 4KSTACKS gcc-4.0

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sandeen:

quantum, try a reboot? :D

[04:53:12]

quantum:

yeah tried that

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|Torg|:

besids im only doing lik 2500k/s to teh drive

[04:53:46]

quantum:

could not get file information for /dev/lirc

[04:54:00]

quantum:

doesn't seem like it is creating lirc for some reason, I only have lircd

[04:55:29]

sandeen:

do you have lirc0?

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quantum:

no

[04:56:54]

sandeen:

which lirc modules are loaded, again?

[04:57:14]

sandeen:

ah I see

[04:57:20]

sandeen:

when I load lirc_i2c it creates the dev for me

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quantum:

lirc_i2c 8452 0

[04:57:36]

quantum:

i2c_core 22721 6 nvidia,cx88xx,bttv,i2c_algo_bit,tveeprom,lirc_i2c

[04:57:36]

quantum:

lirc_dev 13584 1 lirc_i2c

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sandeen:

does lirc_i2c find anything to act on?

[04:57:55]

sandeen:

lirc_i2c: chip found @ 0x71 (Hauppauge IR (PVR150))

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quantum:

where do I check that?

[04:58:56]

sandeen:

dmesg | grep lirc

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jams:

quantum- what receiver are you using?

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quantum:

PVR 250

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quantum:

was working fine before I upgraded the kernel

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sandeen:

does it find it?

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quantum:

guess I'll try remvoing the kerenl and reinstalling it

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quantum:

hmm may not be a good way to do that

[05:02:04]

quantum:

is there a way to get a list of avialalbe kernels with yum

[05:02:54]

quantum:

I am thinking the kernel may be too new or something

[05:03:18]

sandeen:

if the lirc modules match i'd think it'd be ok, ut...

[05:03:20]

sandeen:

did the lirc-kmdl package bump versions?

[05:03:23]

siXy:

yum -d 0 list kernel

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quantum:

how do I check lirc-kmdl, I think it did bump versions

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sandeen:

quantum, well it'll bump for the new kernel...

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quantum:

hmm looks like I was using 2.6.14–1.1653 before and that was the broken one

[05:08:16]

quantum:

well for the sound card, but lirc worked on the older kernel

[05:08:28]

quantum:

yeah looks like lirc-kmdl is up to date

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sandeen:

does lirc_i2c say that it finds the 250?

[05:09:55]

quantum:

how do I check

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sandeen:

dmesg | grep lirc_i2c

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quantum:

nothing

[05:13:43]

sandeen:

not sure then

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sandeen:

you could load it with debug=1 and see if you get any more info

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quantum:

maybe it isn't loading the pvr card

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quantum:

looks like maybe I need to update the ivtv drivers

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quantum:

now I try yum install ivtv-kmdl-$KVER, but it compains Error: Missing Dependency: /lib/modules/v4l-cx2341x-init-mpeg.bin is needed by package ivtv-kmdl-2.6.14–1.1653_FC4

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adamm:

Are there any command line options for mythtv to disable the usage of Xv ? My old video card doesn't support Xv (Savage2k) but will run OK without Xv.

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quantum:

I think I found the problem, when I run yum install ivtv-kmdl-$KVER I get Missing Dependency: /lib/modules/v4l-cx2341x-init-mpeg.bin is needed by package ivtv-kmdl-2.6.14–1.1653_FC4

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quantum:

does anyone know what that means

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sandeen:

do you have that file?

[05:34:10]

sandeen:

or do you have ivtv-firmware installed?

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sandeen:

you probably need to upgrade both

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quantum:

well I am upgrading my kernel so I guess I need to upgrade the ivtv stuff

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quantum:

sounds like a yum bug

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sandeen:

you do need updated ivtv drivers, yes

[05:35:00]

quantum:

would that expain why lirc wasn't working

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sandeen:

if ivtv drivers weren't loaded, yep

[05:36:01]

sandeen:

lsmod | grep ivtv, are they?

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quantum:

nothing

[05:36:18]

sandeen:

if they didn't upgrade then probably not

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sandeen:

so upgrade all the ivtv stuff including firmware I suppose

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quantum:

o.k. looks like hopefully that is all that is worng, any idea what the dependency error means though

[05:36:48]

quantum:

it isn't letting me upgrade

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sandeen:

it means it won'ty install the newer kernel module bbecause it needs newer firmware

[05:37:43]

sandeen:

how about yum update ivtv-kmdl-$KVER ivtv-firmware

[05:38:26]

quantum:

well I did yum install ivtv-firmware ivtv-firmware-audio

[05:39:03]

quantum:

well if I do yum update ivtv-kmdl-$KVER ivtv-firmware, I get Could not find update match for ivtv-firmware Could not find update match for ivtv-kmdl-2.6.17–1.2142_FC4

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sandeen:

maybe I'm driving yum wrong :)

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quantum:

well I found one web site that said it was a bug with yum, but that doesn't help much

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quantum:

said to use apt or smart

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sandeen:

:) or go to atrpms , get the rpms you need, and just install them

[05:46:20]

quantum:

how do I find this v4l-cx2341x-init.mpg

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quantum:

I don't know what pacakge to install for that

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sandeen:

quantum, it's probably in the newer firmware pkg

[05:55:37]

quantum:

well I tried video4linux-kmdl-2.6.17–1.2142_FC4-20061107–77.fc4.at.i686.rpm, but it didn't work

[05:56:26]

sandeen:

that file is in ivtv-0.8.1–122.fc6.at

[05:56:27]

sandeen:

for me

[05:56:28]

sandeen:

on fc6

[05:56:33]

sandeen:

and now I must sleep :)

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quantum:

well I found ivtv-0.7.2–119.fc4.at.i386.rpm, under FC4, but when I go to install it I get vtv-kmdl-1:0.7.2–119.fc4.at is needed by ivtv-0.7.2–119.fc4.at.i386

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quantum:

ok had to do them at the same time

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tank-man:

xris, i dont know if you are maintaining nuvexport but xvid export option uses ffmpeg -max_b_frames option and it is now -bf in current svn ffmpeg

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Dagmar:

tank-man: Did you get the current SVN of *nuvexport*?

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tank-man:

yea day before i got ffmpeg

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tank-man:

last week

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Dagmar:

It's in perl.

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Dagmar:

Patch it and send it to him

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Dagmar:

He keeps beating me to the punch on the stuff

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xris:

tank-man: you need to upgrade

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tank-man:

upgrade what?

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xris:

nuvexport

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tank-man:

ok

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tank-man:

http://www.consoletech.org/sekalainen/wiiremote.html someone using their wii remote with winamp :) (with bluetooth)

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Dagmar:

Dude, I do mean they were *thrown* through the window.

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Dagmar:

wrong channel

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** siXy wonders what dagmar has been up to... **

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phrozen77__:

are there any dvb-s2 cards supported by v4l / mythtv yet?

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nuonguy:

what's a dvb-s2 card?

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phrozen77__:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DVB-S2

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nuonguy:

So the main difference is HD?

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nuonguy:

the main difference between DVB-S and DVB-S2 is HD?

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phrozen77__:

yup

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Gumby:

this is offtopic so if it bothers anyone just tell me to shut up. does anyone here know of any blog software that also allows a user to post photos without having to enter a URL to the photo

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Dagmar:

Blogspot

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Dagmar:

Google Services FTW

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juski:

morn'

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juski:

another 'fun' filled day of shopping looms

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xris:

juski: oh?

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juski:

xris: yeah Christmas shopping

[10:36:07]

xris:

ahh

[10:36:21]

xris:

I think I'm mostly giving charity donations this year.

[10:36:43]

xris:

friend of mine finally got her nonprofit paperwork done and can accept donations: http://akilidada.org

[10:38:24]

xris:

though I think I've already spent $400+ on other stuff for my wife. heh.

[10:38:39]

xris:

but computer equipment doesn't count if I can use it, too, right? ;)

[10:38:47]

juski:

oo good call on the charity

[10:39:25]

juski:

I think I'm spending about Â£200 total on everybody, don't see any sense in going overboard on gifts

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juski:

had someone on the forums asking about donating to mythtv. told him the most valuable donations are those of time & effort

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xris:

yeah.

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juski:

you can't buy time ;)

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xris:

I just tell people to donate to deserving charities

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xris:

since some people really just want to give money.

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xris:

and I'm on a kick lately to get money for Akili Dada

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xris:

I should sleep now, though, instead of mucking with the perl bindings.

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juski:

aye it must be very late where you are

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h|barbobot:

ls

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h|barbobot:

clear

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xris:

going on 3 AM.

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Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : +v stuarta

[10:55:02]

stuarta:

morning all

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juski:

morning stuarta

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stuarta:

dark side of the moon is on on friday

[10:59:04]

juski:

on 6 music?

[10:59:11]

stuarta:

no, the film

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stuarta:

live at earls court, bbc1

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juski:

ooo

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juski:

it's on 6 music tonight aswell

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stuarta:

it is..? oooo

[11:02:12]

juski:

ugh. there's no 'Sun 10/12' date format :(

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Dagmar:

oh noes!

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juski:

I can have 'Sun 12/10' but not the other way around

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juski:

Ewrongcountry

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stuarta:

ooo there it is..

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Dagmar:

I never actually noticed that one before, but perhaps if you guys would stop doing everything backwards, your problem would disappear

[11:03:52]

Dagmar:

Would it be possible to... no wait, glibc doesn't have that kind of data in it anyway

[11:04:25]

Dagmar:

I was going to suggest setting your LOCALE to en_GB and see what happens, but nevermind

[11:04:48]

Dagmar:

'Sun 12/10' is *correct* in the US. 'Sun 10/12' would definitely not be.

[11:05:03]

Dagmar:

If you have trouble remembering, think of '9/11'. Heh.

[11:05:24]

stuarta:

what happened on the 9th November ???

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Dagmar:

Silly limeys.

[11:06:06]

stuarta:

only the americans would go month/day/year

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juski:

Dagmar: maybe if _you_ guys stopped doing everything backwards & started using the correct spellings the problem would disappear

[11:07:40]

Dagmar:

Well, see, that's the nice thing about being the place where C was invented.

[11:07:50]

Dagmar:

Locale of 'C' by default is in American.

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juski:

I still can't work out why so many folks say "aloominum" yet it's clearly spelled A L U M I N I U M

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juski:

;)

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stuarta:

haha!

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juski:

maybe get a president who can say 'nuclear'

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Dagmar:

Because you guys keep sticking extra vowels in w-o-l-f-r-a-m-i-t-e

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juski:

heh

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Dagmar:

Sprechen ze Deutche?

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juski:

nicht

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stuarta:

nein

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Dagmar:

That's because of America.

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Dagmar:

Deal with it. Heh

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juski:

see

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juski:

I don't care. maybe we'd have been better off

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juski:

:-P

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phrozen77__:

its "Sprechen Sie Deutsch?"

[11:09:57]

phrozen77__:

:P

[11:10:26]

Dagmar:

Whaddaya want from me? I'm a yank, after all.

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stuarta:

we clearly aren't any good at it :)

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juski:

anyway, regardless of language/cultural thingies, my ui.xml is in better shape now

[11:11:47]

juski:

time to tar it oop

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Dagmar:

hey does PAL have recommended Safe Action and Safe Title areas?

[11:13:16]

Dagmar:

I'm doing more banging on the wiki

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Dagmar:

I'm kinda assuming PAL has them as well, although they might be different percentages

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juski:

nah they're the same

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Dagmar:

OKay, good.

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juski:

where are you changing?

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Dagmar:

In the section about that in the Wiki one of the two sites is *dead* so I'm cleaning it up a bit and am going to just upload a "cheat sheet" for use

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juski:

fairy snuff

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Dagmar:

I've been all over the UWSP search engine and the docs they had on that are basically gone. One of their masscomm classes has similar details in one of their docs, but it only applies to how you frame up a shot with a handycam

[11:17:22]

juski:

the guy responsible for myth2ipod needs to obey the safe area rules

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juski:

saying "this theme is designed for NO OVERSCAN" is a little much I think

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Dagmar:

Not to mention lame

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Dagmar:

I'm doing the brunt of my work with Inkscape so I can quickly rescale it if I need to, but I'm a little peeved that I can't make Inkscape assume 100DPI so the fonts will come out the exact size I want

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juski:

I allow about 5% where I can

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juski:

btw anyone recommend a good book for someone who knows f.a. about computers? I looked at some yesterday but they were basically just screenshots of XP dialogue boxes

[11:22:15]

juski:

this is for someone who can barely even switch the damn thing on ;)

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Dagmar:

Depends on what it is you need to know about 'em

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juski:

just a basic 'this is the mouse, this is the X button...' etc

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juski:

books I looked at yesterday didn't start at the beginning

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stuarta:

oh dear.

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Dagmar:

They make all those Dummies books

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Dagmar:

I'm sure there's one for that

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Dagmar:

Marginally harder than that would be pretty much any A+ certification study guide.

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Dagmar:

*snicker*

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stuarta:

i'd send em to the local college

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stuarta:

basic computers 101

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juski:

or send em here lol

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Dagmar:

Oof. Juski, the theme base is still 800x600 even for widescreen themes, isn't it?

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** Dagmar checks **

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juski:

nope

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juski:

1280x720 for -wide

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Dagmar:

Joy

[12:07:32]

Dagmar:

Thanks.

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Dagmar:

This means I need to do a new safeareas-wide.svg real quick

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juski:

I'm sorry I Haven't A Clue is very funny today

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gerwinin:

Are there any gcc4 patches for mythtv0.13 ?

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** juski laughs **

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stuarta:

<john-mcenro> YOU CANNOT BE SERIOUS!!!! </john-mcenro>

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** phrozen77__ hands stuarta a tennis-racket **

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** stuarta throws it on the ground and screams **

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stuarta:

time for some retail therapy. back in a bit

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juski:

time to go shawping :(

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juski:

haha

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stuarta:

hehe!

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juski:

good luck!

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phrozen77__:

http://bash.org/?717275

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phrozen77__:

that went to bash.org :P

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Dagmar:

gerwinin: To be a little more explicit, not only "no", but "hell no". Things are on to 0.20 now.

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gerwinin:

Stuarta do I know you :)

[12:26:18]

gerwinin:

Dagmar : I will try to get 0.20 into oe than :)

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Dagmar:

oe?

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gerwinin:

openembedded

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Dagmar:

Open embedded *what*?

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gerwinin:

Dagmar : http://www.openembedded.org

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gerwinin:

Dagmar: it is free embedded development environment

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Dagmar:

Okay, I know the smell of insanity well enough to step away from this one

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LLyric:

Damn. Added a sata controller to my mythbox, to get more disks in (>300GB is so expensive!), and it doesn't boot with the card installed.

[13:23:04]

LLyric:

Doesn't even start booting, maybe some bios limitation, fak!

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stuarta:

try a different pci slot

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Dagmar:

Bleh. The Wiki doesn't like SVG images. Oh well.

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Dagmar:

Oh well. cheatsheets away! http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Theme_de . . . scan_and_You

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cornell:

Morning all

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LLyric:

stuarta: no slots left. the controller seems to "work" fine, both the PC BIOS, and the controller BIOS correctly detect all the disks attached to them.

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cornell:

I've an xbox with xebian and mythtv .20. Can't seem to run mythtv-setup, command not found. First question is why is it not found? Second is mythtv-setup is what I want to run to setup the frontend. Third, is there a way to set the database IP address on the xbox without mythtv-setup?

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Dagmar:

cornell: It may just not be in your path (or you don't have it installed). Use find to locate it

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Dagmar:

Hint: find /usr -type f -name mythtv-setup

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Dagmar:

If it's not there, you need to take that up with whoever made your MythTV binary packages.

[13:52:00]

Dagmar:

...because they've clearly been very naughty.

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Zider:

spank'em

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cornell:

Is the IP address in an editable config file?

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GreyFoxx:

the database connection info is in mysql.txt

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GreyFoxx:

It's the only config info not in the database

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FairWtns:

'Sup folks.

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cornell:

I've two, /etc/mythtv and /home/live/.mythtv (live is a username)

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FairWtns:

Wondering what is the max version of mySQL that myth is supporting in .20.

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GreyFoxx:

cornell: the one in the users home directory overrides the other one

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cornell:

K, so if "live" starts the frontend, /home/live/.mythtv will override the other

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GreyFoxx:

FairWtns: it will work with 5.0.x for sure, not 100% sure about 5.1.% but I've never heard anyone have problems with it

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GreyFoxx:

cornell: Yup

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FairWtns:

GreyFoxx: Thanks. I'm doing an upgrade soon, I'll mask everything above 5.0

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cornell:

GreyFoxx: is a puzzle, /etc's has DBPassword=encrypted password, while /home's has it in clear text, as well as DBType=QMYSQL3 (needless to say, I'm trying to debug why my frontend can't connect to the master backend)

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cornell:

The IP addresses are right. I'm assuming that the /home's is being used, with the clear text password, which isn't being accepted by the database.

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Neeesat25:

I have only one sat card and when I set it to record I can view the program that I am currently record. If I go back to the main menu of frontend and try to return back to livetv I can not view the recording channel but I get the message that all the available inputs are bussy. Is it possible that if I get out of live tv when recording to be able to go back and watch the recording again?

[14:07:00]

quantum:

I am getting a seg fault on line in rc.sysinit on this line: load_module () {

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quantum:

LC_ALL=C fgrep -xq "$1" /etc/hotplug/blacklist 2>/dev/null || modprobe $1 >/dev/null 2>&1

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quantum:

}

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quantum:

anybody have any idea how to fi that

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quantum:

to fix that

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quantum:

is anyone out there

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quantum:

does anyone know what that line does?

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Dagmar:

quantum: Stop doing silly things with your system libraries. Neither fgrep nor modprobe should be able to segfault unless you've gotten something good and screwed up.

[14:09:43]

DGnome:

quantum: which linux distributin?

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DGnome:

+o

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quantum:

fc4. I just upgraded my kernel

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Dagmar:

...or add an `echo "load_module invoked with $1"` to the top of that function so you can see what module is being loaded.

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Dagmar:

s/can/can at least/;

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quantum:

the problem started happening when i installed ivtv-0.7.2–119.fc4.at.i386.rpm

[14:10:36]

Dagmar:

cornell: The mysql.txt file should definitely have the password in *plaintext*

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DGnome:

quantum: FC6 has been released, go fo rthat

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cornell:

mm

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cornell:

The plain text is right?

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quantum:

DGnome, yeah I plan to, but don't have time right at the moment to upgrade the whole system

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Dagmar:

I'm not sure what search order the bloody thing looks for the file in... I'd have to dig through the source (or strace the bastard) to find that one out. I'd say delete whichever one you like the least.

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DGnome:

quantum: or go for debian and you'll never have to upgrade your whole system.

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quantum:

DGnome, is this a kernel problem or something I could resolve by compiling ivtv directly on my system

[14:12:04]

quantum:

DGnome, hmm debian sounds better, how do they manage that

[14:12:07]

Dagmar:

quantum: You want whatever version does *not* use a 2.6.9 kernel. Hint hint

[14:12:28]

Dagmar:

2.6.17.x is probably the least worrysome kernel tree at the moment

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quantum:

I upgraded to 2.6.14–1.1653_FC4

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Dagmar:

quantum: Kernel modules (like ivtv) have to match the kernel version rather exactly, so that might be your problem right there.

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DGnome:

quantum: I'm running Debian Etch, the current testing release, by having my apt-sources pointed at testing, I'll allways have packages from the testing release

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Dagmar:

People should take the more darwinian approach and install Slackware.

[14:13:59]

Dagmar:

Either you learn how stuff works properly, or you die out.

[14:14:05]

DGnome:

Dagmar: yes, totally :)

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Dagmar:

:D

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DGnome:

slackware was fun until my system grew... obsolete ^^

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Dagmar:

I still have to find time to bump my Myth box up from 10.2 to 11, and then rebuild every damn thing I constructed for Myth

[14:15:19]

Dagmar:

At least I have incredibly anal-retentive package creation scripts.

[14:15:32]

DGnome:

=P

[14:16:11]

Dagmar:

Hey man, they're work to get set up, but once they're working, you get all that time back.

[14:16:52]

Dagmar:

I don't have to worry about accidentally forgetting some obscure configure script argument or not setting files world-readable and so forth.

[14:18:00]

Dagmar:

I'm a big fan of solving problems *permanently* when I solve them.

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cornell:

Well... I've edited the /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt, commenting out the encrypted password. and adding the plaintext password. Started mythfrontend. Still can't connect. I'm getting the Could not connect to the master bakend server, is it running, is the ip address correct. :-(

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Dagmar:

Are all three parts on the same machine or what?

[14:25:04]

cornell:

The ip address, user, password are correct in both mysql.txt. I can connect manually from the xbox to the mysql database. What else could I be missing?

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Dagmar:

No idea. Fire up tcpdump and/or turn up logging on the MySQL server to see what is or isn't happening.

[14:26:00]

Dagmar:

I'm assuming for the moment that your basic network settings on all these machines are not screwed up beyond belief.

[14:26:09]

Dagmar:

You seem literate enough.

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** LLyric patches his kernel for new dvico card that's not quite supported yet. Reboot time! **

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Dagmar:

Unless you're running an actual mysql query to test communication from the xbox to the backend, I wouldn't assume that because a telnet completes that you actually have the access rules for MySQL setup right

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LLyric:

use the mysql command line cline, sheesh

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LLyric:

client

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Dagmar:

I'm not sure if they'd bother to put that on the xbox thingie

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cornell:

Well, mostly the connectivity's working. And as I said, I've ssh'd to the xbox and from the command line accessed mysql with -u mythtv -p . I'm in the database on the master server, I've done show databases and I see the mythcnoverg database.

[14:29:04]

Dagmar:

Time for tcpdump and some mysql debugging to find out what's going awry then

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cornell:

Unfamiliar with increasing the logging on the mysql server, is that something done within mysql?

[14:29:29]

cornell:

tcpdump on the master, or the xbox?

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Dagmar:

cornell: Anywhere you can see the traffic from either box, although it would probably be easier to run it on the database server

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threedaymonk:

aargh – I just did an apt-get upgrade on my ubuntu mythtv system, and now I can't receive any DVB-T signals. Where should I start?

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cornell:

K, now I gotta find tcpdump, on the master (knoppmyth) there's neither man nor a command "tcpdump"

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Dagmar:

...but since the connections don't seem to be the problem (or using mysql from the xbox would fail hideously) you should check to make sure ther'es not a *third* mysql.txt file that you've missed

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Dagmar:

The mysql log is probably saying why it's dumping the connection

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cornell:

;-)

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cornell:

master has /var/log/mysql/mysql.log and /var/log/mysql.log ;-(

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Dagmar:

So look at them both

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Dagmar:

It's not like they're going to have dozens of other frontends connecting and making a mess of the logs.

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GlemSom:

I've tried installing myth according to the gentoo documentation... But I run into problems with configuring MySQL. When I want to set the root password I get access denied. So is there a way of deleting all the accesscontrol that mysql have – and start over again?

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DGnome:

GlemSom: reinstall mysql?

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cornell:

Ah..../var/log hasn't been touched since november 04... that's probably not it ;-)

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Dagmar:

GlemSom: yes, blow away the databases directory and then *follow the instructions to the letter*

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GlemSom:

Dagmar, Do you know where that directory usually is?

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Neeesat25:

Anyone getting errors like 'Error was encountered wile displaying video'?

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Dagmar:

GlemSom: So what directions are you following again?

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cornell:

Tailed it... doesn't look bad, not sure I understand it. Seems to queries for supporting tv recording, times, channels, etc.

[14:41:51]

GlemSom:

Dagmar, http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Setup_MythTV

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threedaymonk:

Hmm... I tried running scan again, and it tells me that 'tuning failed!!!' Perhaps I should check the aerial.

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Dagmar:

GlemSom: Wow that's lame they don't even say. It's *probably* /var/lib/mysql, and you will need to run mysql_install_db after you wipe out all the databases

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Dagmar:

GlemSom: Be careful to rm -rf /var/lib/mysql/* and not /var/lib/mysql (the directory itself) without making a note of the ownership and permissions so you can recreate it properly

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Dagmar:

Just empty it, don't destroy it

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randy:

Hey there, I have been searching all night, and can't find a definitive answer... Has anyone gotten Mythtv running on Tivo 1 hardware?

[14:44:53]

Dagmar:

...and ignore the stupid section they have on putting mythfilldatabase in crontab.

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GlemSom:

Dagmar, ok.. Though... Won't emerge handle my directory permissions?

[14:45:23]

Dagmar:

That's just dumb at this point. The backend will call mythfilldatabase all by itself, and *more importantly* it will do so at different times and as suggested by Zap2It's server so it doesn't overload their server

[14:45:38]

Dagmar:

GlemSom: I've no idea. Generally I do not use Gentoo.

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GlemSom:

Dagmar, ahh ok :)

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threedaymonk:

Any ideas on what might cause a tuning failure?

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Zider:

emerge handles the permissions yes

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GlemSom:

Dagmar, Would you happend to know a more in-depth howto to installing mythtv and mysql?

[14:46:31]

Dagmar:

GlemSom: yes, I do, but we have plenny of documentation

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Dagmar:

Lemme see..

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Zider:

since /var/lib/mysql wouldn't exist until mysql is installed, it would be created and set to the right premissions if it's not there

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cornell:

Also, on the xbox, when I get the could not connect message, I can't hit the ok. Seems the controller loses control. I'm just going to kill frontend

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Dagmar:

There's http://www.mythtv.org/modules.php?name=MythInstall linked right from the top of www.mythtv.org, and there's a *slew* of distro-specific instruction lists in the HOWTO section of the Wiki at http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Category:HOWTO

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GlemSom:

Zider, ok – thanks

[14:48:01]

GlemSom:

Dagmar, ok thanks... I'll go do some more reading then :)

[14:48:40]

Dagmar:

Not all of those docs are 100% accurate, so reading two or three at once to get a more comprehensive picture isn't such a bad idea

[14:48:50]

Dagmar:

The one linked from the main website is probably the most reliable

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cornell:

Now... the messages as frontend was starting indicated connection to x.x.x.160 (right), but after killing it, I see messages in the terminal about connecting to backend server 127.0.0.1 :-(

[14:49:49]

randy:

So.. can someone help me with installing mythtv on tivo hardware?

[14:50:23]

randy:

I've heard some people got it running, and other people saying it cant happen

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cornell:

Also I cat'ed the log through egrep mythtv@x.x.x .160 and I only see Connect's, timed appropriately for my manual attempts. I'm confident that stuff's ok on the master side, but the xbox isn't ... reaching out right.

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cornell:

Is there a log on the xbox I can look at?

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Dagmar:

randy: We only help those who have tried and gotten stuck.

[14:52:14]

Dagmar:

Have you tried yet?

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cornell:

(On an unrelated matter, when I do a find, among the results, I get "find: /intrd/proc/678/fd: No such file or directory". Same with /proc/678/fd. What's up with that?)

[14:54:06]

randy:

Does researching for 7 hours count? I dont want to mess up the tivo, if mythtv doesnt work, but i'd much rather have mythtv. I just dont want to get stuck without either. So i'm I have literally been looking all night.

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Dagmar:

cornell: That's what happens when you're silly and let find go looking in the /proc psuedo-directory. None of the files in there actually exist, man. Don't do that.l

[14:54:33]

randy:

The mythtv wiki said this is a good place to ask questions, so I thought i'd give it a try

[14:54:42]

Dagmar:

cornell: Don't use find in /dev either.

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Dagmar:

randy: Dude if you were researching that for seven hours you need to put down the damn bong.

[14:55:07]

Dagmar:

Seriously.

[14:55:08]

cornell:

How do I stop it? I use find /, because I usually don't know which /directory to start in

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Dagmar:

randy: I just went to Google and typed in "mythtv tivo" and the first damn link covered pretty much everything.

[14:55:43]

cornell:

Lots of .log's in /var/log (duh), but none seem related to myth

[14:55:52]

randy:

yeah, ive done that

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randy:

Most forums say you cant

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Dagmar:

cornell: ^C will kill it fine. You can use multiple predicates for searching, like `find /usr /lib /bin /sbin /etc -name blah`

[14:56:11]

randy:

but i've also come across people who say they got it running

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Dagmar:

randy: Stop looking for pretty colored pictures and actually read then

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randy:

on a series 1

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cornell:

Ah

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randy:

Hah, right. I've spent 7 hours looking at pictures...

[14:57:22]

randy:

I'm reading, and im finding conflicting answers, and so i thought i'd try this before i give up

[14:57:26]

cornell:

So... I"m confident the problem's in the xbox, can't find any logs, mysql.txt's seem ok. What next?

[14:57:29]

randy:

thanks for your help, i really apreciate it

[14:57:36]

randy:

Youre great.

[14:58:22]

** cornell wishes he could vnc to the xbox... that tv screen is hard to read ;-( **

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Dagmar:

Dude, if the answers are confusing you the whole thing is probably just beyond your abilities. Pick less onerous hardware to use for this.

[14:58:46]

Dagmar:

What you're wanting to do would definitely *not* be for beginners or people new to Linux.

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cornell:

Not to mention using a controller and a virtual keyboard ;-(

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Dagmar:

People have had time to publish paper books on what can be done with a Series 1 TiVo

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randy:

I am neither new to linux nor am I a beginner

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jaymezb:

Question: Is it possible to change the picture contrast/brightness in mythtv?

[15:01:00]

randy:

Youre just full of usefull information. Thanks man.

[15:01:04]

Dagmar:

I can cut to the chase tho and say the series 1 is in no way fast enough to encode the way MythTV is going to need to on it

[15:01:19]

Dagmar:

randy: And you're a lazy, sarcastic noob. So?

[15:02:07]

randy:

Bitter?

[15:02:30]

Dagmar:

Tired of seeing lazy bitches saying "tell me how to do this incredibly complex thing because my personal time is too precious to spend reading anything"

[15:02:46]

randy:

Thats not it at all

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threedaymonk:

OK, my signal is definitely OK (checked with another receiver) but my card(s) no longer tune. What could have gone wrong?

[15:02:52]

Dagmar:

Yes, that *is* it.

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randy:

I had been reading very conflicting information, and I wanted to see if I could get a difinitive answer

[15:03:13]

threedaymonk:

... and they *did* work yesterday...

[15:03:17]

Dagmar:

Did you bother to Google "installing Linux on a TiVo series 1"? I just did and now I know how to install Linux on the aforementioned device.

[15:03:28]

Dagmar:

How many minutes did that take, what, 5?

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randy:

Yeah, I did

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randy:

and i got conflicting answers

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randy:

Because I kept reading, and didnt go with the first link

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Dagmar:

Obviously you're not smart enough to figure out which ones are right and which ones aren't then, or you're too lazy to start testing to find out which ones are right.

[15:04:56]

Dagmar:

You are *not* likely to find bullet-pointed documentation telling you step-by-step how to do something that's not likely to work well enough for anyone to be putting up web pages about it

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randy:

So tell me, why not say, nope, you can't do it? Theres no reason to be an ass about it. Was just a simple question, and after all the researching, I just wanted to find a difinitive answer

[15:05:23]

Dagmar:

Because you started in with the whining

[15:06:11]

Dagmar:

...and the 4th thing I said to you was that it's probably just beyond your abilities.

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Dagmar:

The ability to _effectively research_ a problem is important, man.

[15:07:29]

Dagmar:

Especially when you're trying to "trailblaze" like that

[15:07:29]

jaymezb:

well, we all know that you can work it out for yourself by spending a lot of time read, even to the level of reading and understanding the source but isn't this a myth-users help irc?? so anser my simple question can you change the brightness in myth ??

[15:08:38]

Dagmar:

jaymezb: http://www.google.com/search?q=mythtv+brightness Read the summary of the sixth hit.

[15:08:57]

randy:

Yeah, but I really didn't need the lazy, noob, better than thou comments, i just wanted to be pointed in the right direction

[15:09:01]

threedaymonk:

Woo! Whatever was wrong was transitory: I turned the power off (instead of rebooting) and it Just Worked.

[15:09:34]

cornell:

Strange, messages in terminal indicate connection to .160, then can't find liirc, then loads G.A.N.T., the "Registering Internal as media playback plugin. then tries to connect to 127.0.0.1.... Why connect again, to another address?

[15:09:46]

Dagmar:

jaymezb: Digging deeper and actually looking at http://www.linuxjournal.com/comment/reply/1000084 would indicate you can only chaneg the brightness on a per-channel basis through mythtv-setup

[15:10:26]

Dagmar:

cornell; The frontend on the xbox is trying to connect to 127.0.0.1?

[15:10:53]

Dagmar:

cornell: I'll bet you have the frontend named the same as your backend, right?

[15:10:54]

cornell:

FIrst it connects to .160, then later it tries to connect to 127.

[15:11:27]

Dagmar:

It's connecting to the database to get the address of the backend, which when you first set it up under that name was likely localhost, unless I miss my guess.

[15:11:36]

cornell:

Named? Which name? Machine name, no. Database username, yes

[15:12:13]

Dagmar:

cornell: Hmm... See if the frontend ever connects to the port the backend has bound, I'm betting it doesn't.

[15:12:19]

cornell:

And I'm usin gip addresses for hosts, not names.

[15:12:55]

cornell:

And I found out why I can't hit the ok. It continually tries to connect to 127.0.0.1 (try 1 of 5)

[15:13:04]

Dagmar:

cornell: Not such a great idea. If you had all the pieces on the same machine, 'localhost' makes it use a unix socket to talk to the database. 127.0.0.1 makes it use TCP (so --disable-networking to mysql would tank it)

[15:13:20]

Dagmar:

Use hostnames if you at all possibly can do so.

[15:14:00]

Dagmar:

That second connection is almost certainly teh backend

[15:14:44]

Dagmar:

Three pieces, remember. Not two. Database, backend, and frontend. The frontend gets the information about where the database (and accounts and etc) is from mysql.txt, and it gets the information about the backends *from the database*

[15:14:57]

Dagmar:

So it'll connect to the db and then after that connect to the backend

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Dagmar:

jaymezb: Drat. i was tyring to be sure about this but whatever.... YOu *might* be able to use xgamma to up the brightness through X, but I *think* the overlay used by video bypasses what that sets up so I don't think it'll help much.

[15:16:53]

cornell:

Ok... bound port... On the xbox messages. First connection says "Connected to databae"mythconverg" at host: x.x.x.160" Second connection attempts say "Connecting to backend server: 127.00.1:6543 (try 1 of 5)" It's trying to hit on port 6543, I need to check the port the master database is listening to, right?

[15:18:16]

Dagmar:

That is the normal port it would be listening on, but basically that confirms what I was saying

[15:18:33]

Dagmar:

Teh settings for that frontend profile in your db are screwed up

[15:19:03]

Dagmar:

Maybe run mythtv-setup on the thing and pretend you're actually running it on the xbox, giving the public IP address for things to connect to

[15:19:16]

Dagmar:

...or break out your MySQL query browser and start pokin'

[15:21:11]

cornell:

Looking in master /etc/mysql/my.cnf, there's a port = 3306, no bind-address and no skip-networking

[15:22:06]

Dagmar:

That's the db stuff man

[15:22:15]

Dagmar:

It's *in* the database wot you're looking for

[15:22:22]

cornell:

"Teh settings for that frontend profile in your db are screwed up"... the mysql.txt on the xbox?

[15:22:31]

cornell:

OH.... in the database...

[15:22:56]

Dagmar:

No, man. All that stuff you enter with the exception of the four obvious bits when you run mythtv-setup are stored as entries *in* the database.

[15:23:00]

Dagmar:

Now you get it

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cornell:

In mythconverg, or mysql database

[15:23:55]

Dagmar:

mythconverg of course

[15:24:08]

cornell:

Kinda figured

[15:24:18]

cornell:

There's a settings table

[15:24:49]

Dagmar:

Yeah, settings that would be appropriate for a particular frontend are actually tied to the name the frontend identfies itself with.

[15:25:08]

cornell:

mmmm....

[15:25:10]

Dagmar:

So like, if you have two frontends and for some insane reason you name them both 'steve' then changes to one's settings will affect the other.

[15:25:56]

cornell:

frontends name... as in host name, as in "myth01" at x.x.x.160 and "xbox01" at x.x.x.90

[15:27:08]

Dagmar:

cornell: did you notice the commented-out-by-default LocalHostName=my-unique-identifier-goes-here bit in the mysql.txt?

[15:27:55]

Dagmar:

Run mythtv-setup on pretty much anything and I bet you can just wing the rest now that you know what it is you need to affect.

[15:28:28]

cornell:

No line LocalHostName in my.cnf

[15:28:35]

cornell:

oops... nm

[15:28:39]

Dagmar:

I didn't say anything about my.cnf

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cornell:

mea culpa

[15:28:54]

cornell:

ok... looking at mysql.txt on xbox

[15:29:02]

Dagmar:

my.cnf ONLY affects mysql, and basically, you don't have to screw around with it at all for MythTV so quit lookin' at it.

[15:29:13]

Dagmar:

Forget you ever saw it.

[15:29:42]

Dagmar:

If you never ran mythtv-setup at all, it could be pulling some (obviously non-useful) defaults up

[15:30:06]

Dagmar:

So let me drop the hint one more time... run mythtv-setup on anything in your home network

[15:30:28]

cornell:

Well, as I started this... mythtv-setup isn't on the xbox :-(

[15:31:28]

Dagmar:

Yeah, but it'll be on the backend.

[15:31:53]

cornell:

RIght... why am I looking at mythtv-setup on the backend?

[15:32:06]

Dagmar:

because you MUST run it to set the bloody tuners up for one thing

[15:32:22]

jaymezb:

if anyones interested the brightness is here in the mysql database mythconverg.capturecard.brightess i just set mine to 200 and seems to look ok, no idea how to do it otherwse though

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Dagmar:

It doesn't much matter *where* you run it, but it's preferred you run it on the frontend machine because that simplifies matters.

[15:32:42]

cornell:

Yes... of course for setting up the backend.

[15:33:00]

cornell:

And there's a "frontend" on the backend, and that's working fine

[15:33:09]

Dagmar:

cornell: Why do you think there's an entry in mythtv-setup for telling it where the backend is then, do you suppose?

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cornell:

Wait a second... each frontend needs "an entry in mythtv-setup" to tell it where the backend is.

[15:34:05]

cornell:

Right?

[15:34:17]

** Dagmar grabs a mallet and rings the Gong of Obviousness. **

[15:34:41]

Dagmar:

It needs an entry in the database that tells it where it's primary backend to connect to is

[15:34:52]

Dagmar:

This is one of the things mythtv-setup is supposed to be used for

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cornell:

So the "frontend" which is running on the backend machine has had mythtv-setup run. Actually, I'm running it again... On the backend machine... IP address for mythtv is 127.0.0.1, Master Server IP address is 127.0.0.1, ports are 6543.

[15:37:03]

cornell:

Frack...

[15:37:12]

Dagmar:

So change them

[15:37:27]

Dagmar:

The backend reads mysql.txt as well, you see.

[15:37:27]

cornell:

The xbox is hitting the database at .160, reading the database and finding the 127.0.0.1 addresses?

[15:37:33]

Dagmar:

yes.

[15:37:36]

Cybertoy:

uhm... question on mythfilldatabase...

[15:37:50]

Cybertoy:

says something about that you need an account on zap2it.com ...

[15:37:50]

Dagmar:

Answer: Let the backend deal with it. ;)

[15:37:59]

Dagmar:

Cybertoy: Yes, it's free. Go make one.

[15:38:04]

Cybertoy:

but I can't find a place on zap2it.com to create an account.

[15:38:14]

cornell:

I had thought I'd changed that on the backend, but I've reinstalled it so many times, I guess I didn't the last time.

[15:38:20]

Cybertoy:

maybe I'm a bit blind this morning...

[15:38:28]

Cybertoy:

or is it their forum I need to register to?

[15:38:55]

Dagmar:

Good question. They changed the heck out of their website

[15:38:59]

cornell:

Ok.. so both IP address for mythtv and Master Server IP address (on the master backend box) should be the address for the master backend box

[15:39:17]

Cybertoy:

ok ... so no mythfilldatabase, huuh?

[15:39:23]

Cybertoy:

does yours work, dagmar?

[15:39:31]

Dagmar:

Cybertoy: Of course, if you were actually reading the documentation you wouldn't be asking this question at all

[15:39:50]

Dagmar:

Cybertoy: Because it's really explicit at http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-5.html#ss5.3

[15:39:51]

cornell:

Cybertoy... labs.zap2it.com

[15:40:10]

Cybertoy:

doih

[15:40:23]

Dagmar:

Yes. Follow the documentation along, step by step.

[15:40:32]

Cybertoy:

tnx

[15:40:51]

cornell:

Dagmar, I should change both the IP addresses on the master backend setup to the master backend's address?

[15:41:24]

Dagmar:

cornell: Let's make this easy. Rename your backend to xbox01. Reboot it. Run mythtv-setup on it and pretend you're doing so on the xbox. Now rename the machine back to whatever it was before. Reboot. Run mythtv-setup and configure the backend.

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Dagmar:

I'm really sure the dialogs in mythtv-setup make this fairly obvious, but I'm not in front of a machine I can run it on at the moment

[15:42:46]

Dagmar:

http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-9.html

[15:43:55]

cornell:

Forgive me, I'm a bit foggy, but rename the backend... All I can think of is the hosts file, right?

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Treito:

hello

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Dagmar:

/etc/HOSTNAME or /etc/hostname depending on what religion your distro maintainers are

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cornell:

K, thanks

[15:45:18]

Dagmar:

If you look under the "General" heading of http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-9.html it describes exactly what you need to do

[15:45:40]

Dagmar:

_Exactly_ what you need to do.

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Treito:

currently i have two problems with mythtv, first mythwelcome starts the frontend even if a recording starts soon

[15:46:09]

cornell:

K, thanks much

[15:46:12]

Dagmar:

Nothing wrong with that

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Dagmar:

The frontend doesn't interfere with recordings.

[15:46:32]

Treito:

and inserting a DVD ends in mythgallery, but it should start dvd-playback

[15:46:33]

cornell:

I'll give that a read and work on this some more.

[15:46:51]

stuarta:

bugger. too efficient. finished 2 leadup episodes 5 mins before the final one starts :(

[15:46:52]

cornell:

Thanks Dagmar, you've been most helpful... and patient :-)

[15:47:19]

Dagmar:

I'm going to go have a smoke and wait for the vein in my forehead to stop pulsing now.

[15:47:22]

Dagmar:

just kidding. ;)

[15:47:25]

Treito:

Dagmar mythwelcome should start the frontend only when no recording starts soon, this is an option of mythwelcome

[15:47:54]

Dagmar:

Treito: okay, if that's the way you see it then go file a bug report on mythwelcome

[15:48:48]

Dagmar:

I don't bother using mythwelcome at all. I don't really see much point in it.

[15:49:01]

briand:

i thought that the logic was that mythwelcome would automatically start mythfrontend if the machine were manually booted up... but not start mythfrontend if the machine was woken up by /proc/acpi/alarm (or equivalent)

[15:49:16]

Dagmar:

That's what I thought, too

[15:49:25]

briand:

seems to be the way it works here.

[15:49:28]

Dagmar:

I've never really paid attention to what it did the few times I used it to start myth itself

[15:49:32]

Treito:

How should I manage starting mythtv for recording and after recording shutdown the computer and starting the frontend automatically, when i started the PC by hand?

[15:49:50]

Dagmar:

You configure the machine to start the frontend when it boots up.

[15:49:54]

briand:

although, I don't use the shutdown portion of it much, any more... as I'd like access to the mythweb stuff when i'm away from home..

[15:50:00]

Dagmar:

Treat it like an appliance instead of a PC.

[15:50:07]

Treito:

briand that's the thing, i use nvram-wakeup

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briand:

Treito: and?

[15:51:13]

Treito:

and it always ends in the frontend

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Dagmar:

I considered that, but since mine is actually doing something about 85% of the day (no joke) I'm not messing with bothering to have it power down ever right now

[15:51:21]

briand:

no it doesn't.

[15:51:33]

briand:

it "always ends in the frontend" if you manually turned on the machine.

[15:51:37]

Treito:

here it does and i don't know why

[15:52:18]

briand:

set a recording to start in about an hour, and then allow mythwelcome to shutdown the machine.

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briand:

when it boots up to record, mythfrontend will not be launched.

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Treito:

20 minutes are too short?

[15:52:46]

stuarta:

well there's a bug. timestretch doesn't reset to 1x when you hit the end of an in progress recording.

[15:52:58]

briand:

Treito: depends on how you've configured the process

[15:53:02]

Dagmar:

Hey that's actually a decent bug, too

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Treito:

which process?

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briand:

on mine, i don't bother trying to shut it down if it's going to be recording in the next 45 minutes or so

[15:53:20]

** stuarta goes to play with trac **

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Treito:

the pc turned off, then started automatically and started the frontend *grr*

[15:54:56]

Treito:

briand how do you start the backend?

[15:55:13]

briand:

when?

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Treito:

in both cases

[15:56:03]

briand:

in both cases, mythbackend is automatically started as a service by FC5. I have it configured for runlevels 2,3,4,5

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Dagmar:

Which is as it should be.

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** briand tries. :) **

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Dagmar:

Dunno about runlevel 2 tho

[15:57:06]

Dagmar:

Seems a bit out of place there, but no biggie

[15:57:24]

briand:

mythwelcome is automatically started by a script in ~/.kde/Autostart

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Treito:

starting it as service in gentoo i can't use suspend2 so i manually run it by script

[15:57:57]

briand:

and, if programatically started, it will not launch mythfrontend, if manually started, it launches mythfrontend

[15:58:26]

stuarta:

oh 1x is painful when i'm used to 1.25x

[15:58:32]

briand:

sorry.. can't help with the gentoo stuff – never even looked at that distro.

[15:58:48]

stuarta:

Treito: that sounds like a permissions error

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Treito:

brian i manually start mythwelcome

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Dagmar:

I've no idea why having the backend running could possibly interfere with suspend

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stuarta:

my suspicion would be a difference in privileges or environment

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briand:

...in other news

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briand:

GreyFoxx: it appears (so far) that the --noupnp flag may have cleared that problem up.. time will tell.

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briand:

Discovery crew was awakened to 'Here Comes The Sun' a few minutes ago.. and their daily activities are underway...

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Sembiance:

Anyone here use an HDHomeRun?

[16:05:10]

** briand is waiting for his evaluation copy. ...or an anonymous donation check for $169 **

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Treito77:

has anyone a solution for the mediamonitor always starting mythgallery?

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Treito77:

briand and you never experienced problems with mythwelcome like this?

[16:10:58]

briand:

nope

[16:12:23]

Treito77:

and i always thought it depends on the next timer

[16:12:37]

jaymezb:

am i missing something? when i setup a recording and save recording options, the recording options are forgotten and the program guide displays "NOT RECORDING" in yellow

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Treito77:

jaymezb any errors from the backend?

[16:14:09]

jaymezb:

i only have this error from the backend:

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jaymezb:

MythSocket(89ae50:-1): writeStringList: Error, called with unconnected socket

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jaymezb:

not sure thats related though

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Treito77:

strange

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briand:

that looks like what i was getting before i specified --noupnp in my mythbackend startup

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briand:

jaymezb: what does `top` say about the mythbackend process on that machine?

[16:18:19]

jaymezb:

what does --noupnp do?

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stuarta:

you get one guess

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briand:

;)

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jaymezb:

lol k i "see" it now

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jaymezb:

doesn't change anything for me

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Treito77:

mysqlcheck mythconverg

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jaymezb:

all ok

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Treito77:

ok, bye

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juski:

bah

[16:37:40]

juski:

it's a mad, mad, crazy jungle out there

[16:38:08]

MadRush:

huh what

[16:38:13]

MadRush:

oh

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juski:

in retail therapy :)

[16:38:43]

stuarta:

or retail nightmare, depending on your point of view

[16:39:08]

juski:

tinny distorted musak, screaming kids...

[16:39:26]

juski:

on the plus side I saw a PFY & some guy drop a big plasma

[16:39:49]

Dagmar:

whoohoo!

[16:40:09]

stuarta:

i bet there was crying over the plasma

[16:40:15]

juski:

they were trying to put it into the boot, flat – so it'd have been broken by the time he got it home anyway

[16:40:33]

stuarta:

eediot

[16:40:35]

juski:

they have 'this way up' on the box for a good reason

[16:41:21]

Dagmar:

LOL

[16:41:29]

Dagmar:

That's freaking HILARIOUS

[16:41:32]

juski:

back for more tomorrow. I might actually buy some stuff then

[16:41:46]

Dagmar:

Plasma TVs shoudl have a sticker on the box that says "BAIT FOR PEOPLE WITH MORE MONEY THAN SENSE"

[16:41:59]

stuarta:

i managed to get in and outof the shops in between the false fire alarms

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juski:

saw another great comparison though – Phillips' HD demo next to $ky HD. Jesus how bad the $ky looked next to it

[16:43:05]

juski:

like "this is what your TV could look like" and "this is what you'll actually get"

[16:43:10]

juski:

all fun

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juski:

was tempted to buy a new DECT phone, one with Skypey stuff, but I need to buy presents for family, not me ;)

[16:44:20]

MadRush:

anybody offhand know what common problems with a hauppauge tuner setup might be, or perhaps a list on some site?

[16:44:43]

juski:

MadRush: selecting the wrong cable standard, not having the firmware in the right dir.. where do you wanna start looking?

[16:44:49]

Dagmar:

MadRush: 99% of the time it's the tuner chip being misdetected

[16:44:54]

briand:

most common problem with hauppauge tuners: user error and/or inability to read/comprehend the error message(s)

[16:45:05]

Dagmar:

..for the Bt8x8 cards anyway

[16:45:16]

juski:

wrong ivtv version with the current kernel...

[16:45:22]

Dagmar:

For the PVR cards 99% of the time it's what Juski said, user illiteracy

[16:45:23]

juski:

the list could go on forever

[16:45:40]

juski:

define 'problem' and you could get somewhere

[16:45:57]

briand:

Dagmar: I thought I said that...

[16:47:27]

juski:

"help! it bwoked" isn't much to go on ;)

[16:47:31]

Dagmar:

briand: Sorry, my mistake. Certain people in here earlier actually managed to give me a migraine

[16:48:00]

briand:

Dagmar: np. sorry to hear you have (had?) a headache.

[16:49:04]

briand:

i especially like the posts in mythtvtalk that say something like, "i just finished my first mythtv install, and everything is working 100% ...except I can't record anything or watch LiveTV"

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juski:

uh-oh.. batten down the hatches. John Reid says 'The chances of an attempted terror attack over the Christmas period are "highly likely"'. Damn. and I've been sleeping so well lately too

[16:49:41]

briand:

to my mind, that's somewhat less than "100%", and in the case of MythTV, considerably less than 100%

[16:50:23]

** stuarta will be in Australia watching cricket & drinking beer, so doesn't care what John Reid thinks **

[16:50:25]

juski:

heheh

[16:50:49]

briand:

is John Reid speaking globally, or just about the UK and environs?

[16:50:54]

juski:

I enjoy how people lump everything including lirc in with 'mythtv is a bastard to install'

[16:51:00]

stuarta:

from his arse generally

[16:51:08]

briand:

lol @ stuarta

[16:51:17]

stuarta:

:)

[16:51:37]

juski:

there's an increased risk of housefires & explosions in some parts of the UK over xmas due to folks trying to deep fry their turkeys

[16:51:48]

stuarta:

hehehe

[16:52:03]

Dagmar:

'cuz turkeys aren't meant to be deep fried and will FUCKING EXPLODE.

[16:52:26]

** stuarta now wants to try that **

[16:52:27]

Dagmar:

You don't drop something that big and frozen into boiling oil if you;d like to remain in the gene pooll

[16:52:29]

juski:

the further north you go, the more likely that everything edible will be deep fried

[16:52:37]

briand:

'Hello. I've been using WindowsXP for nearly a year, and I'm a computer expert now. I'm having problems getting MythTV installed in lunix [sic]."

[16:52:43]

stuarta:

and thus become inedible

[16:52:50]

juski:

heh yes

[16:53:13]

juski:

oh I forgot to mention. that blootube-wide is now at beta1.5 and is available for download from www.juski.co.uk

[16:53:22]

juski:

send complaints to /dev/null as usual

[16:53:32]

Dagmar:

brians: Oh yeah, I have to break it to people on gaiaonline's forums all the time that just because they've been browsing the web under Linux for the last two years doesn't mean they know their ass from a hole in the ground.

[16:53:37]

** briand still wishes you'd condescend to create a SD version... **

[16:53:50]

juski:

in the new year, like I said on the -users list

[16:54:02]

briand:

ah, okay.. missed that post.

[16:54:03]

juski:

or maybe week after next

[16:54:11]

Dagmar:

Guys saying things like "well the binary is named firefox.exe in windows so it should be the same name"...

[16:54:17]

juski:

depends how I get on with shopping & fixing a leak in my car

[16:54:18]

briand:

i will definitely check it out at that time, then.

[16:54:30]

** stuarta tries to work out what roast to cook for the GF tonight **

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Dagmar:

C*ck roast.

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Dagmar:

:)

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stuarta:

that's for dessert

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Dagmar:

"It's very filling, baby."

[16:54:51]

juski:

my car has a paddling pool in the passenger footwell

[16:54:58]

juski:

chicken, again?!

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Dagmar:

lol

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stuarta:

or was it the starter???

[16:55:11]

juski:

only 2 calories, though

[16:55:16]

Dagmar:

juski: Radiator hoses are a bitch like that

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stuarta:

or is it raining up there?

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juski:

Dagmar: it's either the pollen filter cover (again) or the windscreen

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juski:

lol

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briand:

of course, perhaps my experience/pragmatism is skewing my perception. I've been running Linux (or other Unix-like OS's) since SCO Level III ...and I still don't consider myself an 'expert'

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juski:

is it ever NOT raining in Manchester?!

[16:55:58]

briand:

juski: sounds like a leaky heater core

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Dagmar:

briand: Wait, you had SCO training and said "SCO" and didn't follow it up with any kind of obscenity?

[16:56:12]

briand:

if, as in the american autos, the heater core is in that position.

[16:56:26]

briand:

Dagmar: I'm exempt from that.

[16:56:34]

juski:

if all else fails I'll just drill a hole in the footwell

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juski:

:-P

[16:56:39]

briand:

...because we ran it on [^%$&^%$] Unisys hardware.

[16:56:41]

Dagmar:

Yeah, that's why I made the comment about radiator hoses. Generally that's the heated water return that's busted open when you get the puddle there

[16:57:12]

Dagmar:

Not sure if they flip that to the other side in the UK

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juski:

my coolant is flourescent-coloured, so I'd know if it was that

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briand:

dunno either... i've not mechanically played with any UK autos

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juski:

plus I'd always be having to top it up ;)

[16:57:55]

briand:

drove an mg successfully at an SCCA event once, tho

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Dagmar:

I've been in one, and it was so small it didnt' really matter that it had the wheel on the wrong side

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juski:

I reckon if it's the pollen filter cover again I'll just silicone seal the bugger

[16:58:13]

Dagmar:

Freakin pixies are very cool to drive, until you get them on the interstate

[16:58:54]

Dagmar:

Then you get near a truck and think "Oh what the hell was going through my mind when I got on here"

[16:58:59]

stuarta:

later all, i'm off to the mega supermarket to see what I can find....

[16:59:05]

juski:

have 'fun' ;)

[16:59:06]

briand:

my personal favorite "toy car" would still be a 1968 Sunbeam Alpine (only because I couldn't afford a Tiger)

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Dagmar:

This thing was smaller than an MGB, like enough to make the MGB look like a luxury car

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juski:

time to cook up something noodley

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** briand watches juski's cholesterol levels rise. **

[17:00:06]

jaymezb:

were can i find out about this error:

[17:00:07]

jaymezb:

MythSocket(896ca0:-1): writeStringList: Error, called with unconnected socket.

[17:00:51]

briand:

jaymezb: have you considered considering the "--noupnp" flag on mythbackend?

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** sandeen wonders why the first tuner card he added is numbered "4" **

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briand:

4 is considered the holiest number.

[17:02:52]

** briand thinks .oO(what a silly question!) **

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sandeen:

silly eh... well whatever, seems odd. 1st card I add is number 4, 2nd card is number 1.

[17:05:35]

sandeen:

*shrug*

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jaymezb:

think i found the probelm

[17:08:34]

jaymezb:

Connecting to backend server: 127.0.0.1:6543

[17:08:40]

jaymezb:

Connection timed out.

[17:09:39]

jaymezb:

doesn't make any sense though, i'll double check the ips in mythtv-setup

[17:10:00]

Dagmar:

Are the backend and frontend on the same machine?

[17:10:04]

jaymezb:

yeah

[17:10:14]

Dagmar:

Then you say 'localhost', not 127.0.0.1

[17:10:20]

Dagmar:

This is in the HOWTO, plain as day.

[17:10:41]

Dagmar:

...and the backend really needs to be started *before* the frontend

[17:11:11]

jaymezb:

yeah

[17:11:22]

jaymezb:

obviously

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jaymezb:

must have missed the localhost thing in the manual

[17:12:12]

jaymezb:

thanks

[17:12:38]

Dagmar:

No problem

[17:16:24]

jaymezb:

Connecting to backend server: localhost:6543

[17:16:31]

jaymezb:

Connection timed out.

[17:17:10]

Dagmar:

Did you *start the backend*?

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jaymezb:

got the error from running

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jaymezb:

mythbackend --resched

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briand:

I'd be almost willing to bet that /var/log/mythbackend.log would have something more to say about that, possibly much further up in the start-up process.

[17:24:14]

jaymezb:

it doesn't look as though its written a log, there isn't one

[17:24:32]

briand:

hmm.

[17:24:58]

briand:

perhaps starting it with `-l /var/log/mythbackend.log` will convince to to create one

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jaymezb:

its not convinced

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Dagmar:

It needs to be able to write to /var/log, hinthinthint

[17:28:09]

Dagmar:

Pick somewhere it can write to

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Dagmar:

Otherwise, it's time to work on your cut+paste skills, yo

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jaymezb:

the logs useless, says the same things

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Dagmar:

No, it doesn't.

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jaymezb:

but when i run mythbackend as root this error is thrown up

[17:32:23]

jaymezb:

Session management error: Authentication Rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed

[17:32:26]

Dagmar:

If the backend says it's unable to connect to the backend I will eat my fuckin' hat.

[17:32:35]

jaymezb:

eat it

[17:32:38]

Dagmar:

Bullshit

[17:32:47]

Dagmar:

Absolute and total bullshit.

[17:32:57]

jaymezb:

its got a nice time stamp next to it though

[17:32:58]

Dagmar:

That is an X authentication problem and the backend does NOT have anything to do with X>

[17:33:01]

jaymezb:

very useful

[17:33:13]

jaymezb:

i though as much

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Dagmar:

You need to learn what the difference between the backend and the frontend is and try again.

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Treito:

hello again

[17:34:08]

jaymezb:

very helpfull comment

[17:34:13]

Dagmar:

Whatever you're starting when you get that session management error is *not* the backend.

[17:34:39]

Treito:

can anybody help me? when i insert a dvd-video mythgallery starts instead of mythdvd

[17:34:43]

jaymezb:

it is the backend with the --resched flag to force the connection

[17:34:51]

Dagmar:

It ain't like I can tell you "turn left to get to Albuquerque" when you're in the freaking Amazon Jungle man

[17:35:19]

jaymezb:

your probelm is you don't listen

[17:35:46]

tim_:

Hello – I've got mythtv installed with two DVB cards – one satellite, and one Terrestrial.. tzap, and szap get lock, and I can play back streams which I have recorded (using cat) with mplayer, but mythtv says "no lock" on both sources... Any ideas?

[17:35:52]

Dagmar:

So, tell me. Why do you think you need to *force* a connection?

[17:36:09]

Dagmar:

No, my problem is that I actually know how this thing works forwards and backwards.

[17:36:48]

Dagmar:

...and that's twice you've stated something about the backend's behaviour that's more or less impossible.

[17:37:10]

Dagmar:

Saying that starting it with -l somelogfile.txt didn't generate any logfile would have been the first near-impossibility I noticed.

[17:37:28]

jaymezb:

so i don't have to run the backend , scratch my arse, run the front end , scratch again, try and record something, scratch, and check the logs

[17:38:20]

Dagmar:

Dude, just start the backend, and only ONE instance of it, EVER, with -d and -l /var/log/somelogfile.txt

[17:38:25]

Dagmar:

You don't need to add any other options.

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jaymezb:

but i need to invoke that behaviour to cause an error

[17:40:31]

Dagmar:

Sure, if you WANT TO MAKE IT NOT WORK.

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phrozen77__:

lol

[17:40:51]

Dagmar:

If you want to just break it, save us a lot of trouble and type `rm -rf /` as root.

[17:41:02]

Dagmar:

It's much faster than what you're doing now.

[17:42:20]

Treito:

lol Dagmar

[17:42:36]

Treito:

is this really possible?

[17:42:42]

jaymezb:

yeah its allways easier debugging something that has not errors

[17:42:45]

jaymezb:

nice one

[17:43:02]

Dagmar:

Yeah, it's so much easier to debug things when you START THEM CORRECTLY to begin with.

[17:43:20]

Dagmar:

I mean, you just look at it and say, "holy crap it's running" and you move on to something else.

[17:43:54]

jaymezb:

"holly crap its running" but doen't work

[17:43:56]

jaymezb:

nice one

[17:44:07]

Dagmar:

"doesn't work" is useless for a problem description.

[17:44:09]

Treito:

briand are you out there?

[17:44:11]

Dagmar:

Good one, that.

[17:44:38]

jaymezb:

i'm not describing a problem

[17:44:55]

Dagmar:

OKay, sweet. We've now established that you don't have a problem.

[17:44:55]

jaymezb:

just stating there is a problem

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Dagmar:

*sigh*

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zmattor:

Okay so when i try to view the video my capture card is getting it only shows blue.... any suggestins????

[17:47:07]

Dagmar:

Honest suggestion: Buy a PVR card. The bt8x8-based cards are a pain in the ass.

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Dagmar:

You're seeing just one of the many ways they can make your life hell.

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zmattor:

I have a PVR 150

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jaymezb:

another assumtion Dagmar?

[17:48:59]

Dagmar:

jaymezb: It beats the hell out of wandering around clueless from not listening at all.

[17:49:13]

Dagmar:

zmattor: what's coming up in syslog when the ivtv module loads?

[17:49:26]

Dagmar:

zmattor: hint--use pastebin.ca, don't flood the channel

[17:49:27]

zmattor:

leme check

[17:49:41]

zmattor:

oaky ~_^

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zmattor:

where is the syslogs locateD??

[17:51:02]

Treito:

dmesg

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Treito:

or /var/log

[17:51:14]

cornell:

Dagmar: I didn't do the rename, setup, rename thing, But I did change the IP addresses on the master's myth setup. The xbox is connecting fine. Thanks again, I owe you a beer.

[17:51:40]

cornell:

Unfortunately, it seems that it doesn't respond to the controller, but... one step at a time. Thanks again

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zmattor:

alrright here you go http://pastebin.ca/274376

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Treito:

zmattor what about your graphical card?

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Dagmar:

cornell: hehe there *was* a shorter way to do it but you weren't getting the hint so I went for the slightly harder but more obvious way

[17:55:29]

Dagmar:

zmattor: Drat. I suspect there may be something wrong with your *playback* actually

[17:55:40]

zmattor:

hmm?

[17:55:42]

Dagmar:

The card initialization looks 100% fine

[17:55:49]

zmattor:

well thats good :P

[17:55:53]

Dagmar:

OKay, that blue is the color X uses internally for overlay windows

[17:56:01]

zmattor:

oh..

[17:56:17]

Treito:

zmattor can you run xine and watch a .mpg?

[17:56:24]

zmattor:

ywa

[17:56:26]

zmattor:

yes*

[17:56:44]

zmattor:

i did the dev/video0 -> test.mpg thingy

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zmattor:

it was blue

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Dagmar:

If you can manage to use the ptune.pl script from the ivtv source package to manually set the thing on a channel, and then use cat /dev/video0 > filename.mpg to snap up a bit of video (like the ivtv troubleshooting docs recommend, becaus eit's just that simple) and then copy that mpg file to some other machine that you *know* can reliably play a video file...

[17:57:02]

Dagmar:

Did you try to play that file on that machine or some other machine?

[17:57:11]

Dagmar:

...and have you tried to play a *known, sane* video file on that machine yet?

[17:57:13]

zmattor:

this machine

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Treito:

so is the .mpg blue or all .mpg and DVD?

[17:57:21]

zmattor:

ill try that now

[17:57:22]

Dagmar:

OKay, so what you want to do is separate the variables.

[17:57:33]

zmattor:

thanks .. one sec

[17:57:42]

zmattor:

i need to find a random .mpg :P

[17:57:51]

Dagmar:

Any porn site should have them

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zmattor:

hahaha

[17:58:01]

Treito:

perhaps it uses the wrong input?! what happens using the s-video-input instead of the tuner?

[17:58:15]

Treito:

zmattorno DVD at home?

[17:58:22]

Dagmar:

You laugh but I used to test codec packs by having Pan just download *everything* from a.b.m.erotica and see which ones played and which ones didn't.

[17:58:53]

Treito:

Dagmar we should believe this?

[17:58:54]

Dagmar:

Treito: I'm kinda thinking you might be right there, but I was assuming he'd have done the right thing with ptune.pl

[17:59:36]

Dagmar:

Treito: Believe it or not, the people who chronically masturbate aren't very good at selecting reliable codecs, so you get all kinds of malformed files from there that you can destruction test codec installations with.

[17:59:43]

Treito:

Dagmar I'm not sure, i have to always remeber one thread in a forum

[18:00:08]

Dagmar:

Well, if you arne't really giving a damn what you download, it's just a matter of Select All, and then Save Attachments

[18:00:19]

Dagmar:

Not hard, just time consuming for it to finish. Heh

[18:01:23]

Dagmar:

...and I can pretty much guarantee you the first time you do that it will lose all it's appeal. People upload some pretty horrific stuff.

[18:01:49]

Treito:

Somebody asked for help, he could not hear any sound. i posted – just for joke – he should increase the volumes in the mixer. after that i got a mail that that was the fault lol

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Dagmar:

Treito: Oh yeah. Last week some girl on a forum was asking for help because she'd been having powerfail problems and had opened her PC to reseat all the cables, and now the machine didn't work at all

[18:02:48]

Dagmar:

I casually suggested checking hte power switch. Sure enough...

[18:03:01]

Treito:

lol

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zmattor:

Hey thanks it looked you found my problem!! im pretty shure how to fix this... i just didnt think of it

[18:03:19]

Treito:

what problem zmattor?

[18:03:29]

zmattor:

i dont have the codec

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zmattor:

thats why its blue

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Dagmar:

hehehe

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zmattor:

no .mpg work

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zmattor:

i feel so stupid for not thinking of that....

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FunkyELF:

I need some help hooking up my Myth box using a DVI->HDMI cable. I want to output 1080p....

[18:04:42]

Treito:

last week i made a terrible mistake

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TeleF2k:

does mythtv not work with qt4?

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zmattor:

if it doesnt thats my reson mine isnt compileing xD

[18:05:29]

Treito:

setting up mythtv at my brother, i wondered why the tv-picture moves up and down

[18:05:29]

TeleF2k:

lol

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TeleF2k:

yea thats my problem

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TeleF2k:

im trying to install it on gentoo

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TeleF2k:

but im getting: lease re-emerge =x11-libs/qt-3*, after having the use flags set. ... ive got qt4 with said flags and cant see how to merge qt3

[18:06:11]

Treito:

i ignored the recording profiles, so ivtv run @480x480 pixels

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phrozen77__:

TeleF2k: do "emerge =x11-libs/qt-3exactversionnumber"

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Treito:

ah gentoo

[18:07:04]

** phrozen77__ <3 gentoo :) **

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Treito:

is anybody out ther running mythtv on gentoo and using suspend2?

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FunkyELF:

anyone here running 1080p on their myth box?

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phrozen77__:

Treito: no – on my mythbox i'm currently running 2.6.19-rc6 mm-sources

[18:07:55]

Treito:

phrozen77__ do you use mythwelcome?

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TeleF2k:

so there is no way to make it compile with qt4 installed?

[18:08:04]

phrozen77__:

heh i wisch i was using something :P

[18:08:14]

phrozen77__:

i couldnt get my dvb-t card working so far

[18:08:17]

phrozen77__:

no signal

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phrozen77__:

no matter what i do

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phrozen77__:

so i decided to ditch the card and use dvb-s

[18:08:58]

phrozen77__:

though i have yet to buy 2 dvb-s cards

[18:09:00]

Treito:

i have a problem with the automatically shutdown of mythtv

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Treito:

waht dvb-t card? i use 2 dvb-t-cards and it worls fine

[18:09:58]

juski:

phrozen77__: I suggested a few things you should have tried.... and did you try them?

[18:10:10]

phrozen77__:

Treito: hauppauge nova-t pci

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phrozen77__:

juski: well, even if i get a signal at a friends house i still wont get one here – so, no dvb-t for me and dvb-s instead with the roof-mounted satellite dish

[18:11:30]

juski:

did you get the aerial mounted properly & aimed right?

[18:11:49]

TeleF2k:

ah got it

[18:11:54]

juski:

there's still no guarantee that you can install a dish properly by yourself

[18:12:16]

phrozen77__:

juski: the one on the roof has been installed by some company for the whole house, so i suppose it is allright =)

[18:12:20]

juski:

analogue satellite was pretty easy to set up but digital needs a sat finder at least

[18:12:34]

juski:

phrozen77__: you can't just split a satellite cable ya know

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phrozen77__:

duh, theres some kind of splitter there for like 10 parties

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phrozen77__:

and the nexus-s has in and output

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juski:

it'll be a multiway switch no doubt

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juski:

you need one feed per tuber

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juski:

tuner

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phrozen77__:

cant i just loop it from one cards out to the others in?

[18:13:42]

juski:

no

[18:13:59]

phrozen77__:

duh, whats the out for then?

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zmattor:

geese... i cant find the codecs does anyone know where i can get a codec package?

[18:14:15]

juski:

mpeg2codecs.exe

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phrozen77__:

anyways, then i'll run 2 cables here from above

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Sembiance:

I always laugh a bit whenever I 'emerge mythtv' with +backendonly and it requires xclock :)

[18:15:01]

FunkyELF:

what all do I need to know about my display to hook it up for 1080p? Do I need to know horizontal / vertical refresh rates or is 1080p standard?

[18:15:22]

juski:

I can see now how Dagmar got a headache earlier

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** briand grins at juski **

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Dagmar:

I can't even fathom how you can install myth in a way that manages to escape it being able to play mpeg video

[18:16:49]

Dagmar:

It's been one completely insane thing after another today, man

[18:16:52]

briand:

Dagmar: never underestimate the ... oh, nevermind.

[18:17:09]

Dagmar:

I'm thinking the word is "Gentoo".

[18:17:11]

briand:

oh, and you spelled 'inane' with an extra 's' by mistake.

[18:17:13]

Dagmar:

....but that's just a guess.

[18:17:20]

Dagmar:

That wasn't a misspelling.

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briand:

i know. ;)

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Treito:

briand do you use hibernate?

[18:19:04]

briand:

nope

[18:19:21]

briand:

i want my mythtv box to be awake all winter.

[18:19:24]

Treito:

how fast does FC boot your machine?

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briand:

< 1 minute to the FE from power-off

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Treito:

fast machine?

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briand:

not particularly

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briand:

2.8GHz Celeron

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Hoxzer:

:)

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Hoxzer:

fast enough for HTPC use

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briand:

more than enough, yes.

[18:21:31]

Hoxzer:

well that's what I meant

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Dagmar:

Between commercial flagging and transcoding and the number of things I'm recording just to expire in a few days, there's not much point in me bothering with hibernation or even suspend mode.

[18:21:43]

Dagmar:

Mine runs at 100% CPU load about 85% of the day.

[18:22:04]

Treito:

VIA C3 1200MHz

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Treito:

Dagmar boinc?

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Dagmar:

I hardly know you.

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** briand :lol @ Dagmar **

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Treito:

Dagmar or why does your PC run at 100%?

[18:23:26]

Dagmar:

I *know* you're not suggesting I go to a *clustering solution* just so the nodes can have hibernation time.

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Dagmar:

Treito: Because it's transcoding everything to xvid, and recording about half the time

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Treito:

i see

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Treito:

okay 6 minutes left, i try to test something with mythwelcome, perhaps it needs acpi?

[18:25:59]

Sembiance:

I love mythbackend, but I seem to not be a big fan of mythfrontend

[18:26:14]

Sembiance:

Anyone know of alternative Mythfrontends? :)

[18:26:59]

Dagmar:

Exporting the storage directory over CIFS/SMB and then just watching the videos with some windows box elsewhere on your network.

[18:27:00]

Dagmar:

:)

[18:27:32]

Dagmar:

...and using mythweb to set up scheduling.

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D-side:

until recently i was happily using my xbox

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Dagmar:

Mushrooms are another alternative.

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Dagmar:

Not sure how good they are for recording tho'.

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Treito:

mushrooms?!

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FunkyELF:

I have my box hooked up to my TV over DVI -> HDMI and it only seems to be getting 480p. I need some xorg.conf help

[18:29:56]

Sembiance:

Right now I already export via NFS and make symbolic links to the shows ever 10 minutes via a cron job

[18:30:07]

Sembiance:

then I just use mythfrontend for the 'video browser' and play them with mplayer

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zmattor:

where do i put codecs for kaffeine...

[18:30:37]

Sembiance:

I also use mythgame as part of mythfrontend, but I find it sucks bad so I am already in the middle of writing my own 'emulator' front end

[18:31:12]

Treito:

Sembiance why do not write an own frontend ;-)

[18:31:14]

briand:

I'm porting mythtv to operate on a box of paper clips, under DOS 2.1

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Treito:

okay the machine is booting

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Treito:

and started the frontend grr

[18:32:59]

Sembiance:

Treito: well my main motivation right now is to build something that *i* will use every day and love. Maybe once that is done I'll worry about others ;)

[18:35:25]

Treito:

Sembiance that's really egoism (or how is this called)

[18:35:38]

Sembiance:

self centered? egotistical?

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Sembiance:

selfish?

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Treito:

thx

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Sembiance:

well I think what I will like and love others will too

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Treito:

selfish that was the word i was looking for

[18:36:30]

Sembiance:

but I don't care about MP3 playing music support or mythgallery suport so if I were to make a myth compatible front end, I wouldn't be coding those things any time soon until at least after I finish what *i* care about

[18:36:55]

Sembiance:

which is basically a kick ass mythgame/mythvideo

[18:37:27]

Treito:

liveTV, mythvideo, mythgallery, mythmusic

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zmattor:

How do i install codecs?

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EnterUserName:

hello

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zmattor:

hi

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EnterUserName:

does anyone know how to set up mythtv with 2 video cards?

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EnterUserName:

heh :)

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Treito:

zmattorahich distribution?

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EnterUserName:

there both nvidia and i dont nkow how to tell it to activate the second card :)

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zmattor:

Treito: ubuntu

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EnterUserName:

it recognizes it in lspci :)

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Treito:

apt-get install w32codecs or something like this

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EnterUserName:

how do i find the bus id?

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EnterUserName:

how do you find a bus id of a video card.

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Treito:

lspci

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EnterUserName:

ok thank you :)

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EnterUserName:

so its 05:05.0?

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Treito:

it should be, i think so

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EnterUserName:

05:05.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV34 [GeForce FX 5200] (rev a1)

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xris:

pvr-150 for $40 AR at compusa: http://tinyurl.com/y28mnx

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EnterUserName:

woah

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Snoopy:

Hi everyone.... I'm having trouble compiling quicktime using Gentoo basically "emerge =x11-libs/qt-3*" locks up the system.

[18:51:35]

Snoopy:

isn't there a way to recover a compilation from where it left off?

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Zider:

quicktime..?

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Snoopy:

yes

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Zider:

qt-3 isnot quicktime

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Snoopy:

Doh..... what is it..

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xris:

and this isn't #gentoo

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xris:

Snoopy: it's Qt

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xris:

the Q toolkit

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Snoopy:

Wow... Okay.... well I'm following along in the qiki and it says I need to emerge it w/MySql support.

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Zider:

Snoopy: emerge has a resume option

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Snoopy:

I think that's what I was looking for :)

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Zider:

just use --resume

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xris:

Snoopy: usually, if you install mysql first, qt picks it up when you compile it.

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GlemSom:

I was wondering... besides the svideo out... What is the difference on the PVR-150 and 350?

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Snoopy:

Thanks Zider!

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Zider:

Snoopy: and to make it compile with mysql support, add "x11-libs/qt mysql" to /etc/portage/package.use

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xris:

GlemSom: pvr-150 has a better chroma filter (or something like that in the tuner)

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xris:

and costs a ton less.

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xris:

GlemSom: 350 came out back before there were a lot of machines capable of easily decoding/playing mpeg2 out, or at least when hauppauge thought it would make a difference.

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xris:

it's not worth it these days when you get better quality input from the 150 and better output from a cheap nvidia card.

[18:59:34]

GlemSom:

xris, so the 150 doesn't have hardware mpeg encoder/decoder?

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xris:

GlemSom: encoder.

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xris:

350 has the decoder

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xris:

decoder on the 350 is also a HUGE pain to get working if you want to display anything OTHER than the mpeg video (like mythtv's menus)

[19:00:58]

xris:

150 is also $40 at the moment.

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GlemSom:

xris, Ok... Well... basecly I've got an offer on a used PVR-350 for a little under half the price of a new one...

[19:01:40]

xris:

GlemSom: imho, it's not worth it.

[19:01:50]

xris:

esp. if you won't need/use the output

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xris:

pvr-150 + nvidia 5200 =~ $100 at the moment.

[19:03:04]

GlemSom:

Ok, but will any of them run on an OLD machine... talking about either a 500Mhz or a 1Ghz machine ?

[19:03:27]

GlemSom:

I mean for watching live tv – and doing timeshift

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xris:

both of those SHOULD be fine for SD.

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Treito:

i'm using a via C3–1200 and it worls fine

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xris:

500mhz might be a LITTLE slow, but I honestly can't say for sure.

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ENterUserName:

does anyone use 2 video cards in mythtv

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ENterUserName:

using a pci video card?

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xris:

ENterUserName: I use one that's pci.. disabled the onboard.

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ENterUserName:

xris: so you dont use 2 at the same time?

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xris:

ENterUserName: nope

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ENterUserName:

hrm

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ENterUserName:

if the bus id is this:

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ENterUserName:

BusID "PCI:5:05:0"

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xris:

kormoc has in the past... he'll be back tomorrow (just moved, no internet at home yet)

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ENterUserName:

oh

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ENterUserName:

well my lspci is showing this

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ENterUserName:

05:05.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV34 [GeForce FX 5200] (rev a1)

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ENterUserName:

adn ih ave the BUSID set to the top

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ENterUserName:

but it doesnt appear to be finding it..

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ENterUserName:

see anything off?

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xris:

could be a lot of things. I'm not so good with xorg.conf stuff.

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ENterUserName:

sax crashes wheni tryto use it lol :)

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ENterUserName:

but i get sax output too

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znoG:

i'm having an issue where I can watch TV with mythtv, but no audio is coming out. Any ideas where I should start to look? I've tested my snd card and speakers work by using xmms

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Treito:

znoG hauppauge PVR?

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znoG:

nope, just a Phillips SAA<something>

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ENterUserName:

No matching Device section for instance (BusID PCI:5:5:0) found

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ENterUserName:

:(

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znoG:

tuner 1–0063: type set to 5 (Philips PAL_BG (FI1216 and compatibles))

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Treito:

line-out connected to line-in of your soundcard?

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znoG:

nope, i should do that?

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Treito:

yes, there was no connecton-cable?

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znoG:

i remember i had this working before I removed the card and put it in another box for 2 months, and i don't recall having the lineout connected to line-in on the sound card ...

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znoG:

unless my memory is failing

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xris:

znoG: if you have a bttv card, then you either need the line out connected, or the btaudio driver (only works on some cards)

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znoG:

oh.. ok.. i wonder how I had it working before :) heh, lets try doing that ..

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tank-man:

xris, latest nuvexport is broken, says its looking for Mythtv.pm (MythTV.pm?) but it is no where to be found

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xris:

tank-man: latest from my site or from mythtv svn?

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Treito:

how do you spell probably? or propably? the first, right?

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tank-man:

svn

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xris:

mythtv svn version requires the mythtv perl bindings.

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tank-man:

those are not part of nuvexport tarball?

[19:18:05]

xris:

which come from mythtv itself (need to enable them in./configure)

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tank-man:

ok

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xris:

Treito: probably

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Treito:

thx, the first thought was right

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Treito:

i have to refresh my english ;-)

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znoG:

xris: now, if I plug a pair of speakers directly to the bttv card, shouldn't the audio come straight out?

[19:19:34]

xris:

Treito: get an irc client with spell check. :)

[19:19:50]

Treito:

XP suxx ;-)

[19:19:51]

xris:

znoG: if they're powered, that should theoretically work

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xris:

Treito: gaim works fine in xp

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znoG:

xris: ok, and say they're not.. :) what could be the prob??

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Treito:

gaim and irc?! i use gaim 2.0 with XP

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xris:

znoG: btaudio driver enabled but not recording?

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xris:

Treito: I've used gaim for irc for a long time.

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Treito:

and now?

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xris:

it's not the greatest, but it keeps all of my chats in one place

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xris:

the irc helper plugin (gaim-irchelper on sourceforge) is helpful for nickserv authentication, but I don't know if a 2.0-friendly version has been compiled for windows.

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xris:

really should just get something built in.

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Treito:

i lost my password for nickserv

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xris:

Treito: you'll just have to wait for it to time out, then (couple of weeks or something like that)

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znoG:

xris: i'm not sure about btaudio but shouldn't the card automatically play the audio? regardless of any drivers

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Treito:

xris half year? one year?

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xris:

znoG: no, a lot of old ones like that don't work that way, at least not in linux.

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xris:

Treito: have you tried to reregister?

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Treito:

does not work

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xris:

lame

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Treito:

damn scrambled password

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znoG:

xris: i'm going to try this saa7134-alsa driver for my philips

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znoG:

strange stuff, this used to work fine when i had the card here before

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zmattor:

YAY!!!! i got it!! pvr150 is working :)

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simcop2387:

zmattor: nice

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Treito:

apt-get install w32codecs?

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zmattor:

yea

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zmattor:

well maybe i did alot of stuff and i dont really know what worked =

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zmattor:

=/

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Treito:

that's bad

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zmattor:

haha

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zmattor:

Yea i know

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zmattor:

im going to re-laod everything when i get it working and try agian

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zmattor:

and do it cleaner

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dave:

hi all

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dave:

got all my monitors working now

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zmattor:

Hey

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dave is now known as EnterUserName

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EnterUserName:

but now mythfrontend is segfaulting

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EnterUserName:

lol

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EnterUserName:

doesnt like my display :S

[19:48:09]

EnterUserName:

is there a

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EnterUserName:

pastebin

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EnterUserName:

that any of you guys can look at

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zmattor:

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zmattor:

[14:37] <znoG> xris: i'm going to try this saa7134-alsa driver for my philips

[19:49:05]

zmattor:

[14:38] <znoG> strange stuff, this used to work fine when i had the card here before

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zmattor:

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zmattor:

[14:41] <zmattor> YAY!!!! i got it!! pvr150 is working :)

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zmattor:

[14:42] <simcop2387> zmattor: nice

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xris:

zmattor: you've reached the limits

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zmattor:

[14:42] <Treito> apt-get install w32codecs?

[19:49:21]

zmattor:

[14:44] <zmattor> yea

[19:49:21]

zmattor:

[14:45] <zmattor> well maybe i did alot of stuff and i dont really know what worked =

[19:49:21]

zmattor:

[14:45] <zmattor> =/

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zmattor:

ogHH ><

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zmattor:

sooo sorry

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zmattor:

......=/

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EnterUserName:

xris

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EnterUserName:

is there a pastebin

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EnterUserName:

i can show u

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EnterUserName:

its probably a developers thing

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xris:

zmattor: you have a pvr-150?

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EnterUserName:

i think it may be a bug

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xris:

thought it ws a framegrabber

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zmattor:

xris: yes

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xris:

zmattor: make sure you have all of the firmware files installed in the right places.

[19:50:01]

EnterUserName:

Xlib: extension "RANDR" missing on display ":0.0".

[19:50:01]

EnterUserName:

DisplaResX: Unable to XRRgetScreenInfo

[19:50:02]

EnterUserName:

Xlib: extension "RANDR" missing on display ":0.0".

[19:50:02]

EnterUserName:

DisplaResX: Unable to XRRgetScreenInfo

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xris:

EnterUserName: I doubt I could help you

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EnterUserName:

oh

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EnterUserName:

lol

[19:50:18]

EnterUserName:

darn it

[19:50:24]

EnterUserName:

my displays are all workign now but now its segfaulting ;(

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xris:

EnterUserName: though it looks like you have mythtv compiled with RANDR, but not your X.

[19:50:37]

EnterUserName:

umm

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EnterUserName:

it was working before

[19:50:59]

EnterUserName:

maybe my displays can't use RANDR ...

[19:51:03]

EnterUserName:

with all3 enabeld..

[19:51:20]

EnterUserName:

what is that and how do you disable mythtv from using it?

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zmattor:

xris: what are you talking about it works fine :P

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EnterUserName:

damn this lcd screen makes my old monitor look like crap whenusingf dual monitors :p

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xris:

zmattor: sorry, was confusing you with znoG

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EnterUserName:

xris: how can i disable randr in mythtv

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EnterUserName:

adn what is it for

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MadRush:

when i dmesg | grep Initialized

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MadRush:

dmesg | grep Initialized

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MadRush:

when i 'dmesg | grep Initialized' i get 'ivtv0: Initialized Hauppauge WinTV PVR-150, card #0' is this normal?

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xris:

EnterUserName: compile it without?

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EnterUserName:

xris whats it for

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xris:

EnterUserName: I think it stands for "resize and rotate"

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null_:

EnterUserName: RANDR is an extension that allows the display to rotate (useful for tablet-pc's)

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EnterUserName:

ol

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EnterUserName:

lol

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EnterUserName:

i dont need that

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EnterUserName:

odd

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xris:

EnterUserName: rresize is nice. lets mythtv size your screen to fit recordings better.

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xris:

but not necessar

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EnterUserName:

mm

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EnterUserName:

well it happened after i enabled all monitors..

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znoG:

argh this is driving me mad

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znoG:

on my bttv card I can't get any audio out of the tuner's audio port .....

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Treito:

wrong tuner-option?

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znoG:

maybe, but i had it set to 5 before when it used to work ..

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zmattor:

when i run ./configure for myth tv the first thing it prints is "cat: /etc/ld.so.conf.d/*.conf: No such file or directory" like 7 times... is that spose to happen?

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znoG:

and I'm sure it's a philips saa7134 chipset card and saa7134_alsa says "saa7134 ALSA: no saa7134 cards found

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Treito:

and the line-out of the card?

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xris:

zmattor: shouldn't matter

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Treito:

hmm or from the card?!

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xris:

unless your ld.so.conf type files aren't getting loaded

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zmattor:

xris: would it help to see all of the ./config printout??

[20:00:10]

zmattor:

because its also not compiling

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znoG:

Treito: the line-out of the tuner is what I meant. I plugged in some speakers to it and I get no audio from it

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EnterUserName:

hmm wy isnt my display 0:1 workign..

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Treito:

i have a saa7134, too (but no linux installed yet), wrong cardtype = no audio

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Treito:

hmm "i own" sounds better

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znoG:

i've got it set to card=40, which according to the bttv driver it is a 3Dfx VoodooTV 100, but it most certainly isn't that card

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Treito:

try another card

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znoG:

yeah, i just upgraded kernel to 2.6.17 to get the saa7134_alsa driver and now i don't even get video, so maybe card types have changed

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Treito:

probably

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MadRush:

OK, if i don't have ivtv set up properly, would i still be able to view the composite video in using mplayer /dev/video0 (after using v4l2-ctl to set the input to composite 1)

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MadRush:

beuler?

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znoG:

Treito: nope, i'm pretty sure its a card type 40.. as even lspci shows that it's a STB card, it is PCI, it has FM .. and card type 40 is "STB TV PCI FM, Gateway P/N 6000704 (bt878), 3Dfx VoodooTV 100 [10b4:2636,10b4:2645,121a:3060]"

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znoG:

bt878: probe of 0000:00:0e.1 failed with error -22

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znoG:

that doesn't look healthy

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Treito:

you have a saa7134 on the card?

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znoG:

i'm pretty sure .. at least from memory

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znoG:

i recall seeing the chipset written on the card

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Treito:

so you need a driver for saa7134 and not bt878

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zmattor:

okay... i believe its compiling

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Treito:

not sure?

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zmattor:

its errored... with less errors

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** FairWtns kicks gentoo in the foot. **

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zmattor:

/usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lqt-mt <---- thats the error...?? any suggestions???

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FairWtns:

I wish mysql and mythtv would just learn to get along.

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dave:

so wierd

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dave:

X11 is sayign RandR is enabeld

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dave:

but RandR is not working..:(

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dave:

does xinerama haveto be disabeld :S

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Treito:

FairWtns mythtv and gentoo run together

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sigger_:

For tuning TV's there are these DVD's like Aria and Digital Video Essentials. Anyone use anything particular to tune the video card (or TV for that matter)?

[20:20:35]

sigger_:

I'm hoping to find something that I can rip to myth and then tune the TV to my vid card as that's the main video source. problem is can't legally rip copyrighted material such as Aria and DVE.

[20:20:56]

sigger_:

so those two are (of course) out

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xris:

sigger_: aren't there test pattern images you can use?

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sigger_:

Don't know. free TV test patterns – sounds like a job for google.

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sigger_:

Need something with some level of instruction tho. While I know what looks decent, I don't neccesarily know how to get there.

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EnterUserName:

hrm

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EnterUserName:

how do you enable xinerama only on 2 monitors :)

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EnterUserName:

and the tv out does not have it?

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EnterUserName:

any suggestions L:)

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Treito:

man xorg.conf man xinerama perhaps?

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EnterUserName:

heh :)

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EnterUserName:

hrm.. im googling..

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EnterUserName:

maybe i dont want xinerama thuogh

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** EnterUserName ponders **

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EnterUserName:

only benefit is dragging screens.

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EnterUserName:

brb

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EnterUserName:

though thats a pretty big otpion :)

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EnterUserName:

so ... mythfrontend doesnt appear to like xuinerama :)

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Treito:

why? black frame?

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EnterUserName:

no it segfaults however that could be due to RANDR

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EnterUserName:

being compiled in

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EnterUserName:

ill look at it later at the moment id ont think i like xinerama except for dragging windows

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Treito:

what's the time? nobody out there?

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EnterUserName:

oh

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EnterUserName:

its 3:45

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EnterUserName:

erk 3:54 pm

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EnterUserName:

everyone's out on a saturday its a nice day :S

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EnterUserName:

well in canada :)

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EnterUserName:

hey Teito: what do you think is my CRT screwed up it seems a bit blurry compared to my LCD monitor

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EnterUserName:

:)

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EnterUserName:

or is the lcd monitoer just better: )

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Treito:

i don't know, i have to see it

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EnterUserName:

hrm i wish i new how to change it to factory defaults

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Treito:

open the window and... ;-)

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Treito:

ahm through the monitor thru it (damn what is the correct spell for thru?)

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Treito:

damn

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Treito:

throw the monitor through the windows

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Treito:

it's already late

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Inssomniak:

Should I go with svn or stable?

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Treito:

your decision

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Inssomniak:

I do like the bleeding edge sometimes :)

[21:14:55]

Inssomniak:

How is mythtv HDTV atsc playback ?

[21:15:11]

Inssomniak:

Im a long time user of vdr, but it doesnt have a real viable HDTV solution

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Treito:

i can't receive HDTV

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Inssomniak:

ls

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Inssomniak:

oops

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Treito:

lol

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Inssomniak:

what kind of front ends you guys recommend?

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Inssomniak:

the back end will have 4 dvb cards, and a bunch of hard disk space

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Treito:

what do you mean with "what kind of frontend"?

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Inssomniak:

what kind of hardware

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Treito:

only to watch?

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Inssomniak:

yea

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metalac:

dual-core seems to be the answer

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metalac:

unless you can get xvmc working reliably

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Treito:

metalac as frontend only?!

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metalac:

yes

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metalac:

HDTV backend stuff takes no cpu

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Inssomniak:

what is qmake?

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Treito:

kind of heavy

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metalac:

since it's a mpeg-2 stream, so all it does it streams

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metalac:

Treito: i can't do hdtv on my A64 3400+, it's waayy too choppy

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Inssomniak:

I can get xvmc working, thats easy

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Treito:

metalac i run a via-c3 1200 as backend and frontend

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Treito:

Inssomniak hdtv?

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Inssomniak:

yea

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Inssomniak:

I will be

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Treito:

ok, i don't know

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metalac:

well if xvmc works fine then you might get by with lower stuff

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metalac:

Treito: you run hdtv on your via?

[21:24:07]

Treito:

i can't receive hdtv

[21:24:26]

metalac:

look here: http://mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/XvMC

[21:24:28]

Treito:

the newer via c7 should ready for hdtv

[21:24:35]

Inssomniak:

./configure: line 3606: qmake: command not found

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Inssomniak:

after ./configure

[21:24:43]

metalac:

go down to example cpu savings

[21:24:46]

Treito:

you need qt3-libs

[21:24:50]

Inssomniak:

qt3?

[21:24:52]

Inssomniak:

ahh

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metalac:

Treito: nobody with via is repording HD on the xvmc page, so no clue

[21:25:41]

Inssomniak:

mythtv is a qt ap?

[21:25:47]

Treito:

the C7-architecture is new

[21:25:54]

Treito:

yes Inssomniak

[21:26:25]

Inssomniak:

who woulda thunk :)

[21:26:30]

Inssomniak:

/dev/hda3 4.6G 4.5G 0 100% /

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Inssomniak:

hmm, no space

[21:27:21]

Treito:

wrong size of the partition

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metalac:

why such a small partition?

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Inssomniak:

its worked for all these years

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Inssomniak:

gonna have to do something about this

[21:28:12]

Treito:

perhaps for vdr

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Treito:

which fs?

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Inssomniak:

ext3

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Inssomniak:

I can resize those to an extent

[21:29:09]

Treito:

reiserfs would be killed when resizing

[21:29:15]

Inssomniak:

yea

[21:29:26]

** Inssomniak searches for stuff to delete **

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Treito:

rm -rf /usr (not really)

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Inssomniak:

Ive done that before, not on purpose :)

[21:32:06]

Treito:

which distribution?

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Inssomniak:

gentoo

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Treito:

rm -rf /usr/portage/distfiles

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Treito:

for example

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Inssomniak:

did that :)

[21:33:04]

Treito:

old kernel-sources

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Inssomniak:

good idea

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Inssomniak:

/dev/hda3 4.6G 3.3G 1.2G 74% /

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Treito:

that saved here 2 GB

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Inssomniak:

any recommended use flags Im gonna need?

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metalac:

what about /tmp?

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metalac:

you'll need xvmc

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Treito:

mythtv @useflag perhaps xvmc

[21:37:11]

Treito:

cle266 if via-unichrome

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Inssomniak:

hmm

[21:37:25]

Inssomniak:

no useflags mythtv

[21:37:34]

Inssomniak:

what database does it use?

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metalac:

mysql

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Treito:

emerge -av mythtv and you can have a look on the use flags

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Inssomniak:

I dont know if I want to add that useflag

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metalac:

you can add "per-package" flags

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Inssomniak:

true

[21:39:05]

metalac:

make sure you compile qt3 not qt4

[21:39:09]

Inssomniak:

shite

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Inssomniak:

qt4 no good

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metalac:

correct

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Inssomniak:

mask that out then :)

[21:40:09]

metalac:

yep

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metalac:

until you hear that myth is qt4 compatible

[21:40:20]

Treito:

emerge uses the correct version of qt

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metalac:

it didn't with my box few weeks ago

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Treito:

strange

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Inssomniak:

It started qt4

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Treito:

worked fine here

[21:40:56]

Inssomniak:

for me

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Treito:

Inssomniak which version emerge would like to install?

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metalac:

yeah i think it depends on version

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metalac:

seems that latest one will do qt3

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Treito:

with 0.2 it runs fine

[21:42:25]

metalac:

either way you can do emerge -pv mythtv and see what it gives you

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Inssomniak:

yea

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Inssomniak:

I am gonna use the svn but it gives me the idea

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Treito:

it's easier do emerge 0.2 first

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Treito:

-do +to

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Inssomniak:

ya think? I can do that I suppose

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Inssomniak:

throws in all the dependancies

[21:46:34]

Treito:

or wait until it really starts emerging myth, so you get the dependencies ;-)

[21:46:36]

Inssomniak:

then would you just -C the mythtv and move to the svn?

[21:46:48]

Sembiance:

Anyone here use a HDHomerunner box?

[21:49:01]

Inssomniak:

whats that?

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metalac:

oh wow

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metalac:

put "hdhomerunner" in google

[21:50:03]

Sembiance:

http://www.silicondust.com/zxc/content/view/5/26/

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Inssomniak:

Your search – hdhomerunner – did not match any documents.

[21:50:13]

Inssomniak:

I tried that first

[21:50:21]

Sembiance:

I meant hdhomerun sorry :)

[21:50:51]

zakat:

hi, just reinstalled ubuntu on my server and want to build mythtv from source, but I must have missed a dependency. does anyone know what the dependency for int_fast16_t is?

[21:51:15]

metalac:

oh so it's an hd reciever

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Sembiance:

ffmpeg I believe

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Sembiance:

zakat: ffmpeg ?

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Sembiance:

metalac: yup. a dual HD receiver that sends it's data out over ethernet

[21:51:51]

Sembiance:

so your not limited to PCI slots

[21:52:07]

Sembiance:

I bought one but it hasn't arrived

[21:52:19]

zakat:

ive got ffmpeg installed

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metalac:

well assuming that all it sends out it's mpeg-2 stream, it shouldn't be hard to make it work

[21:52:28]

MadRush:

what kind of chip is on a 150, and what is on a 150 mce? when i do lspci it tells me the ecnoder is iTVC16

[21:52:30]

Sembiance:

If it works well during testing I'll be buying another one. Then I'll need to sell my HD 5500 cards :)

[21:52:49]

Treito:

apt-get install mythtv

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Sembiance:

emerge mythtv

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Sembiance:

oh wait, wrong distro ;)

[21:53:01]

zakat:

i want to build it though

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Treito:

and you can look @dependencies

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MadRush:

does anybody in here use a hauppauge pvr 150 or 150 mce

[21:57:39]

metalac:

i do

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infinity1:

i downladed some HD content and my mythbox apparently doesn't have enough CPU to play it at normal speed. is there anything i can do besides replace the CPU?

[21:58:07]

infinity1:

mplayer is maxing out the processors

[21:58:07]

metalac:

infinity1: you can try xvmc

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metalac:

what cpu anyways?

[21:58:18]

infinity1:

1ghz k7

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metalac:

oh you can forget about HD on that

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metalac:

even with xvmc

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MadRush:

metalac, which do you have, the 150, or the 150 mce? and, can you do a /sbin/lspci for me, and let me know what encoder yours has

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infinity1:

glad i asked then. heh

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infinity1:

metalac: what CPU speed is necessary to HD playback?

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metalac:

MadRush: mine is regular 150 i think

[21:59:14]

metalac:

infinity1: it all depends on your setup, but to be on the safe side dual-core is your best bet

[21:59:44]

metalac:

there are people that run HD with xvmc on A-Xp 2500+ and such

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metalac:

but your milage will vary

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MadRush:

metalac: any chance you can tell me the results for /sbin/lspci for your encoder?

[22:00:27]

infinity1:

i have one system running the pvr250 and the backend. the other system has the database and the large storage (via NFS for backend)

[22:01:00]

infinity1:

they are both 1ghz k7's

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infinity1:

everything works great except for playing back HD content

[22:01:40]

metalac:

yeah HD is a whole different animal than SD

[22:01:52]

infinity1:

HD + divx seems fine. but raw HD seems to be a problem

[22:02:16]

Sembiance:

right now I have run system with 5 PVR 250's. I'm creating a new system though that will take three of those PVR 250's and then have two exteran HDHomeRun boxes for 4 HDTV signals

[22:02:38]

infinity1:

Sembiance: whats HDHomerun

[22:02:54]

metalac:

MadRush: it says it's cx23416 based

[22:03:01]

Sembiance:

infinity1: http://www.silicondust.com/zxc/content/view/5/26/

[22:03:32]

Sembiance:

Dual HDTV tuners in a networked box.

[22:03:58]

Sembiance:

I initially bought four PCHDTV 5500 cards, before I found out about the HDHomerun units. Now I need to sell my HD 5500 cards ;)

[22:04:23]

infinity1:

Sembiance: why is the network unit better?

[22:04:44]

Sembiance:

Doesn't take PCI slots :)

[22:04:45]

MadRush:

metalac: how about earlier in the line, mine says iTVC16 .. i think yours is gonna be iTVC15 but im wondering

[22:05:09]

Sembiance:

infinity1: my new system has a motherboard with only 3 PCI 2.2 slots (the other slots are PCI x16 etc, which are not compatible with HD 5500 cards)

[22:05:10]

Inssomniak:

any other specific versions I should be targeting, xorg 7.0/7.1 is OK? latest nvidia drivers OK?

[22:05:36]

Sembiance:

infinity1: So if I need 4 or 5 HDTV signals recorded at once, I'd need two machines. With the external HDHomeRun boxes I can just do it with 1 and gigabit ethernet :)

[22:05:52]

infinity1:

Sembiance: how much is the network box?

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metalac:

MadRush: i don't see that anywhere

[22:06:45]

MadRush:

hmm

[22:06:52]

infinity1:

man ... i don't even have HD signals or a fast enough computer to play HD content i download. ouch

[22:06:57]

MadRush:

maybe your line looks a lot different .. can you paste the line/

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Inssomniak:

thats a neat box

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Inssomniak:

I just bought a pcHDTV 5500

[22:07:37]

Inssomniak:

but would have considered that thing

[22:08:28]

metalac:

MadRush: having issues with ssh on that box so i can't easily paste stuff :)

[22:08:30]

metalac:

sorry

[22:09:03]

MadRush:

thats okay, thanks a lot metalac

[22:09:10]

Sembiance:

infinity1: $160 for the network box. Which is great since you get two tuners. The HDTV 5500 costs like $130 and only has one AND it take s aPCI slot

[22:09:31]

Sembiance:

Inssomniak: I bought FOUR pcHDTV 5500 cards then I found out about the HDHomeRun box AFTER :(

[22:09:37]

infinity1:

Sembiance: wow. yer a good salesman. i want one :)

[22:09:43]

Inssomniak:

well I just did too :)

[22:09:44]

Sembiance:

Inssomniak: So I'm probably going to be selling the pcHDTV 5500 cards rofl

[22:09:56]

Inssomniak:

but the 5500 cards do analog :)

[22:10:04]

infinity1:

Sembiance: have you setup the hdhomerun yet?

[22:10:15]

Sembiance:

infinity1: hasn't arrived in the mail yet

[22:10:27]

jpopesku:

Does anyone have experience with myth + ATI/MSI Theater 550 Pro chip recently? (I've read the stuff on gossamer-threads, but it's from August, so was wondering if there's any update...

[22:10:27]

Sembiance:

Inssomniak: but they don't have hardware MPEG encoding, like my PVR 250's do :)

[22:10:38]

infinity1:

Inssomniak: so i could have gotten an hd 5500 instead of a pvr250

[22:10:39]

infinity1:

?

[22:10:39]

Inssomniak:

that box had hardware mpeg encoding?

[22:10:52]

infinity1:

Inssomniak: cuz it also does analog eh?

[22:11:00]

Inssomniak:

the 5500 does analog too

[22:11:02]

Inssomniak:

ntsc

[22:11:04]

infinity1:

damn

[22:11:13]

Inssomniak:

but no mpeg encoder

[22:11:26]

infinity1:

no hardware mpeg? isn't that bad?

[22:11:27]

Sembiance:

which means CPU usage :)

[22:11:47]

Inssomniak:

a pvr250 cant display hdtv

[22:11:52]

Inssomniak:

out its mpeg encoder

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infinity1:

VGA can

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Inssomniak:

if that model has an mpeg encoder

[22:12:08]

infinity1:

oh

[22:12:16]

infinity1:

pvr250 is only hardware encode. not decode

[22:12:28]

Inssomniak:

I dont know which of the models have the encoder/decoders

[22:12:29]

Sembiance:

My new plan is 1 box. 3 PVR 250's for cable channels. and two HDHomerun boxes connected via ethernet for four HDTV signals

[22:12:49]

infinity1:

hmm

[22:12:57]

Inssomniak:

my plan is 3 dvb-s cards, as well as the 5500 card

[22:13:02]

Sembiance:

which is only possible now because I've moved to boston and have lots of HD signals flying around ;)

[22:13:09]

infinity1:

sounds like i need more HD space an a new CPU for my backend box

[22:13:48]

Sembiance:

infinity1: I'm about to buy 7 500GB hard drives. 1 for boot, 2 for MythTV HDTV/Standard storage and 4 for a RAID 5 array for other stuff (music, porn, roms, etc)

[22:13:59]

Inssomniak:

I dont think you need a huge cpu for recording/streaming hd

[22:14:01]

infinity1:

my one pvr250 seems fine. i'm able to record everything i want

[22:14:19]

infinity1:

Sembiance: you should make a 7 disk raid5 instead

[22:14:52]

infinity1:

Sembiance: i don't know much about myth, but i know storage very well

[22:14:54]

Sembiance:

infinity1: I thought about it, but I worried that trying to save 4 HDTV streams and up to three standard TV streams at once would be too much data for Software RAID 5

[22:15:21]

Sembiance:

each HDTV stream is up to 20mbps, so 4 would be 80mbps plus however much the standard TV streams are (never measured it)

[22:15:40]

Sembiance:

but I could easily see being above 100mbps

[22:15:47]

infinity1:

Sembiance: hmm ..you should be able to do 80 mbps with a fast server no problem

[22:15:48]

Sembiance:

possibly even higher

[22:16:06]

Inssomniak:

raid 0 is fast

[22:16:12]

Sembiance:

infinity1: Well the recorded TV shows are not critical enough for me to need a RAID 5 storage for it :)

[22:16:17]

Inssomniak:

I clock 130 mbps on my raid0

[22:16:22]

infinity1:

Inssomniak: yes. if you're looking to lose your data. heh

[22:16:26]

Sembiance:

infinity1: my music, backups, porn, roms on the other hand are RAID 5 important :)

[22:16:33]

Inssomniak:

heh I did say I like to live on the edge

[22:17:12]

Sembiance:

I think 1,000GB should be enough for recorded HDTV shows and some cable recordings

[22:17:23]

infinity1:

Sembiance: seems like you'll be losing 1 disk anyway, so you'll have free protection if you go with all 7 on raid

[22:17:34]

Sembiance:

infinity1: but again, speed...

[22:17:44]

infinity1:

Sembiance: yep.

[22:17:48]

infinity1:

Sembiance: try it first and see

[22:18:00]

Inssomniak:

heh I only have one tv, thats a LOT of tv

[22:18:32]

Sembiance:

Inssomniak: I have a TV in my bedroom and then a theatre system for watching movies.

[22:18:38]

infinity1:

Sembiance: i have 5x 500gbs on a 1ghz computer right now. all raid5.

[22:18:49]

infinity1:

Sembiance: the speed isn't great obviously.

[22:19:02]

Inssomniak:

can you have multiple front ends like that? I want to add a PC to another TV?

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Sembiance:

infinity1: hrm... this computer will be AMD Athlon 64 X2 4200+ Windsor 2.2GHz Socket AM2 and Western Digital Caviar SE16 WD5000KS 500GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s

[22:19:51]

Sembiance:

Inssomniak: You can have multiple backends and multiple frontends

[22:19:52]

Inssomniak:

getting expensive :)

[22:20:05]

Sembiance:

Inssomniak: That's why I haven't bought it yet, just under $3,000 or so

[22:20:39]

Sembiance:

one third of it is hard drives ;)

[22:20:43]

Inssomniak:

I dont even know if mythtv supports the analog part of the 5500 card

[22:20:54]

Sembiance:

the 5500 card is a MEGA BITCH to get working

[22:20:59]

Inssomniak:

?

[22:21:03]

Inssomniak:

works great here

[22:21:05]

Sembiance:

My PVR250 was light years easier, even years ago

[22:21:16]

Sembiance:

It's confusing as hell

[22:21:26]

Sembiance:

20 different things to do depending on what kernel

[22:21:27]

Inssomniak:

hmm, the mythtv part of it, or installing the drivers, etc?

[22:21:44]

Sembiance:

the drivers :)

[22:21:55]

Sembiance:

I finally got mine running but it was a nightmare

[22:22:11]

Sembiance:

I'm looking forward to the ease of plugging in an RJ45 cable into the HDHomerun box ;)

[22:22:11]

Inssomniak:

oh, heh, well Im nearly an expert on kernels and drivers, so I had it running in 1/2 an hour after getting it out of the box

[22:22:40]

Sembiance:

I tried running the latest 2.6.19 kernel with the built in drivers but no luck. I got the card to show up /dev/dvb and all that but I couldn't get a signal at all

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Inssomniak:

hmm

[22:22:55]

Inssomniak:

I use 2.6.19

[22:23:01]

Inssomniak:

and hg dvb drivers

[22:23:01]

Sembiance:

I moved to another box, used 2.6.12 or something, and just downloaded the V4L/DVB package from their website

[22:23:11]

Sembiance:

that got it all working just fine and I can tune HD channels

[22:23:26]

Inssomniak:

haha I like that, "MEGA BITCH"

[22:23:28]

Sembiance:

either way I don't have to worry about it any more

[22:23:44]

Sembiance:

Thanks to the HDHomeRun rofl

[22:23:48]

Sembiance:

I sure hope it works well

[22:24:02]

Inssomniak:

Id like to hear from someone that has that working

[22:24:15]

Sembiance:

My viewing habits demands a minimum of 4+ HDTV Tuner cards and 2+ cable tuner cards

[22:24:25]

Sembiance:

Inssomniak: I should get it some time next week ;)

[22:24:40]

Inssomniak:

but on the other hand, all my HDTV stations have to be tuned with a rotor, with a high performance yagi antenna, so I dont even think I can make use of both tuners at once

[22:25:19]

Inssomniak:

not without installing another antenna

[22:25:28]

Sembiance:

I have just a single 24" metal antenna in my apartment

[22:25:36]

Inssomniak:

and thats not an option, the first one is 40 feet in the air

[22:25:39]

Sembiance:

but of course I'm only 7 miles away from like 10+ HD signals :)

[22:25:50]

Inssomniak:

me? try like 60–90 miles

[22:25:57]

Sembiance:

heck I could probably get away without an antenna rofl

[22:26:14]

Sembiance:

speaking of that, how do I split the signal from an antenna?

[22:26:21]

Sembiance:

will a standard coax splitter work?

[22:26:22]

Inssomniak:

splitter

[22:26:25]

Inssomniak:

yup

[22:26:32]

Inssomniak:

use a 2 way, only 3.5 db loss

[22:26:42]

Sembiance:

I have to split it 7 ways :)

[22:26:49]

Sembiance:

err 4 ways

[22:26:51]

Inssomniak:

(3.5 db in my world is the difference between picture and no picture)

[22:27:10]

Inssomniak:

use a 4 way then, 7db loss per port

[22:27:16]

Sembiance:

I have a really really nice powered 8-way splitter that doesn't screw up the signal or anything

[22:27:18]

Inssomniak:

you have strong signal

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Sembiance:

not sure if I'll need it or not though

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Inssomniak:

use that then :) I have to be very careful

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Sembiance:

I'll be experimenting :)

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Sembiance:

I feel your pain though

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Sembiance:

I used to live in the middle of nowhere

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Inssomniak:

my hdtv antenna gear cost me 400 bux

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Inssomniak:

and a world of pain to install it

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Sembiance:

town with 2 traffic lights, surrounded by mountains

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Sembiance:

nearest wal-mart was 1 hour heh

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Inssomniak:

heh, well Im in a town with 2 traffic lights, and a river?

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Inssomniak:

yup me too, we dont even get the flyers

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Sembiance:

and that's going 60MPH on country roads with little traffic heh

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Sembiance:

I ended up moving to boston a few months ago though :)

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Sembiance:

the capability of being able to get HDTV signals *out of the air* didn't even occurr to me until about a month ago heh

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Sembiance:

-r

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kgbudz:

anyone ever run 2 front ends on a single machine

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xris:

kgbudz: not recommended — theme cache gets messed up.

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kgbudz:

o werd

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xris:

kgbudz: guess you could do it with separate users running each frontend, but still not recommended.

[22:34:09]

kgbudz:

like i want to have different settings as well

[22:34:22]

xris:

kgbudz: nope, can't do that. settings are stored per host

[22:34:24]

kgbudz:

like they have a hostname override, was thinking this was some sort of multiple frontend support

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xris:

why do you want to run two frontends on oen box?

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kgbudz:

like right now im running 2 monitors on 1 box

[22:35:00]

kgbudz:

i want each monitor to be a different frontend

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xris:

kgbudz: still only one input device shared between them

[22:35:34]

kgbudz:

i can have each monitor have its own x session

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kgbudz:

thats not an issue

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kgbudz:

like in the future, im building a new server

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kgbudz:

its going to be a huge server

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kgbudz:

and i was thinking of having it push multiple frontends around my house

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kgbudz:

but i guess thats not possible

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xris:

push? that's some long video cables.

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kgbudz:

kvm over ip

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kgbudz:

the hardware isnt a big issue

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xris:

you can't do full frame video that fast

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kgbudz:

depends on the kvm box

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kgbudz:

think thin clients

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xris:

a proper thin client would be connecting directly to the backend

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xris:

well, proper remote netboot, anyway

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kgbudz:

i think it comes down to that mythtv doesnt support this sort of setup

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kgbudz:

you need a physical computer for each frontend...

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xris:

kgbudz: there's no real point. easier to just set up a netboot frontend on cheap hardware

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kgbudz:

ya, probably

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xris:

then you're not mucking around with messing with multiple inputs for lirc talking to multiple X sessions, etc.

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kgbudz:

i dont even use lirc

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kgbudz:

plain keyboard

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xris:

same problem, though..

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kgbudz:

well, X takes care of managing each 'desktop'

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xris:

and I'm still curious if there's an ip kvm that supports 720x480 30fps video

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xris:

X only accepts keyboard input from the desktop the mouse is on top of

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kgbudz:

o werd?

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xris:

or rather, only sends keyboard events to...

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kgbudz:

like im just in planning stages

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kgbudz:

like im getting a pretty big server

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kgbudz:

probably going to run vista

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kgbudz:

with virtual pc

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kgbudz:

and then myth inside of that

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xris:

not sure that would work

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xris:

direct hardware access, etc.

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kgbudz:

i heard people getting it to work

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xris:

seems better to me to just split the funds where they're necessary.

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xris:

nothing wrong with two machines if you want linux AND windows.

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kgbudz:

thats the thing

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kgbudz:

i have 4 servers right now

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kgbudz:

in 6 months

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kgbudz:

i want everything on 1 server

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xris:

seems messy to me.

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xris:

run windows on one, and Linux/Xen on the other.

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kgbudz:

ya, then im back to where i am now

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kgbudz:

4 servers....

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xris:

2 != 4

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kgbudz:

like i have 2 myth boxes

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kgbudz:

and 1 windows box

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kgbudz:

about 2tb of hd

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kgbudz:

on myth

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xris:

frontend != server, btw

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kgbudz:

acutally, you know what

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kgbudz:

i can just run a small linux image

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kgbudz:

each running its own frontend

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kgbudz:

on the vista server

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kgbudz:

dunno how i can push that out anywhere...

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xris:

what are you pushing TO, though?

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kgbudz:

different devices on my network

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xris:

like what, though?

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kgbudz:

'dumb terminals'

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xris:

dumb terminal doesn't display video

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kgbudz:

'thin clients'

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kgbudz:

like you can scope out the server im looking at

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kgbudz:

ive been planning this for a while

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kgbudz:

http://www.rezsoft.org/server.html

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xris:

kgbudz: what "thin client"? that's a really general term...

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xris:

a diskless epia board can be a thin client.

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xris:

wow, that seems so overkill for just random mythtv stuff... what else are you plannign to use it for?

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kgbudz:

right, i havent really looked into the details

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kgbudz:

lots of things :)

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kgbudz:

probably be running 2–6 os's at once

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kgbudz:

24/7

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xris:

kgbudz: ok, a remote xterm / thin client would connect to the linux server as an X client. X apps then run *on the remote box* not the server

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kgbudz:

it will also hold a huge dvd/tv/audio archive

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xris:

the question is "why"?

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kgbudz:

cause, its the way of the future

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xris:

not the way you're planning

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kgbudz:

no?

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kgbudz:

os virtualization is big

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xris:

if all you want is a giant file server, just run linux with samba

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kgbudz:

ya, but what if i need a solaris dev box

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kgbudz:

and windows

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kgbudz:

and windows 2000

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kgbudz:

etc

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xris:

big "if"

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kgbudz:

well, im big into dev

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kgbudz:

im always doing new projects, etc

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xris:

btw, that raid card is not really hardware raid

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xris:

performance will be offloaded to the cpu

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kgbudz:

it is

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kgbudz:

the os supports hardware riad

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kgbudz:

i mean mobo

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kgbudz:

its split into 2

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xris:

kgbudz: the highpoint rocketraid card is not hardware raid.

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kgbudz:

o, that card

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kgbudz:

right

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xris:

might do some stuff in hardware, but not all of it.

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xris:

performance is pretty lousy compared to 3ware or lsi

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kgbudz:

thats not too important

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xris:

and why scsi?

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xris:

no one uses scsi anymore

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kgbudz:

the main os partition is hartware raid

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kgbudz:

more bandwidth

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xris:

use SAS

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kgbudz:

SAS?

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xris:

serial attached scsi

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xris:

it's what replaced scsi

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kgbudz:

never even heard of that

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kgbudz:

what are the prices like?

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xris:

and btw, by the time you get scsi faster than the 10krpm SATA2 drives, it's flaky.

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kgbudz:

what you mean

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xris:

people use scsi for hardware reliability (never u320), but mostly these days they just use sata because it's pretty reliable and FAR cheaper.

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xris:

kgbudz: scsi gets flaky at u320 speeds

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kgbudz:

so its better to get sata?

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xris:

kgbudz: negligibly slower and far cheaper

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kgbudz:

i really havent been convinced either way

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kgbudz:

so i just stick with scsi

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kgbudz:

money really isnt important, speed and reliability are the main factors

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xris:

my company builds storage servers and the such. I don't know a *great* deal about the hardware side of things, but I do know that virtually no one buys scsi anymore.

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xris:

it's not worth it.

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kgbudz:

ya, storage server is different

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xris:

if you want speed, get four 10krpm sata drives and run raid 10

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kgbudz:

which is why for the data array, its all sata

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kgbudz:

but for the main os partition

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kgbudz:

i want the best

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xris:

kgbudz: if you want the best, you need to do a lot of research.

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kgbudz:

i thought i did...

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GreyFoxx:

Why would you not buy 2 sata drives, and mirror them for a much small price

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GreyFoxx:

for the OS that is

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kgbudz:

[17:57] <kgbudz> money really isnt important, speed and reliability are the main factors

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xris:

GreyFoxx: exactly

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GreyFoxx:

Much more space, much lower cost, same reliability

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kgbudz:

its only like a few hundred more for scsi

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xris:

kgbudz: but your OS is *never* going to need the kinds of speeds you're trying to achieve

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kgbudz:

thats not a big issue for me when im shelling out multiple k for the server

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GreyFoxx:

320g sata drives are 100CDN

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kgbudz:

xris, remember, this will be multiple os's running inside a parent os

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xris:

kgbudz: http://www.siliconmechanics.com/i8734/opteron-server.php

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GreyFoxx:

so like I said, much more space, less cost, same reliability and speed

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kgbudz:

so speed is very important

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xris:

kgbudz: still. good ram cache should handle most of that.

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GreyFoxx:

yup

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kgbudz:

GreyFoxx, do you have specs of scsi vs sata speeds which are recent

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xris:

kgbudz: that'll give you an idea of what SAS is about

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kgbudz:

because i havent found anything which is recent

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kgbudz:

saying sata is better than scsi

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xris:

kgbudz: single drive speed comparisons is useless

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GreyFoxx:

We run "large" virtual servers at work, off raided sata drives, running up to 10 virtuals of varying os's on them

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GreyFoxx:

the big kicker is having lots of ram available

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xris:

most of that falls to the controller and tweaks of settings (adding a BBU makes all the difference)

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kgbudz:

like the only reason i didnt go sata is cause its serial

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xris:

kgbudz: serial != slower

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xris:

SAS is serial scsi, and it's WAY faster than old scsi

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xris:

SATA is serial ATA, and it's much faster than parallel ata

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kgbudz:

well, not in those terms

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kgbudz:

like sata executes commands in order, scsi doesnt...?

[23:02:58]

kgbudz:

in high load systems

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kgbudz:

scsi used to be better

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xris:

kgbudz: you should let the controller handle that, anyway.

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xris:

kgbudz: if money is no object, and you want reliability/etc.. call silicon mechanics tomorrow. They'll be able to build you something as custom as you want, and will be able to give you all of the details you need.

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kgbudz:

haha, why do that

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xris:

(yes, I do work for them, but I know we have a good product)

[23:04:34]

kgbudz:

i would rather home build

[23:04:58]

kgbudz:

i would rather build my muscle car

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kgbudz:

than goto a dealer and buy one

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MadRush:

i get the idea having silmech make you something is more like going to a hotrod shop than a dealer

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MadRush:

but who knows

[23:05:54]

MadRush:

is there a channel for ivtv support or am i in it

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xris:

kgbudz: but building your own car when you don't know the difference between a manual transmission and a planetary gearbox doesn't get you off to a good start. (pardon my bad analogy — I don't know much about cars)

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kgbudz:

so your questioning my knowledge of software?

[23:06:55]

kgbudz:

and hardware?

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xris:

kgbudz: no, hardware.

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kgbudz:

haha, acceptable

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xris:

since you didn't even know what SAS was, and said that you didn't like serial because it was slower...

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kgbudz:

your right

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kgbudz:

i spent a lot of time putting that server spec together

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kgbudz:

and i guess it still isnt good...

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xris:

I *do* know that our sales guys know the hardware inside and out.. they also know what chassis will work with what motherboards for heat qual, etc.

[23:08:16]

xris:

you're running into the world of enterprise grade hardware, and that stuff gets REALLY finicky when it comes to power and heat requirements.

[23:08:58]

kgbudz:

right, like that server is built around the mobo

[23:09:14]

xris:

(fyi, we really only sell supermicro and intel motherboards)

[23:09:16]

kgbudz:

i started with it and got recommended parts, etc

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xris:

personally, I'd recommend that you avoid scsi, *especially* u320.

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xris:

but worst case, you call and get some info that you didn't have before.

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kgbudz:

ya, im waiting until the summer to even purchase this

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xris:

kgbudz: a lot will change by then

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kgbudz:

yup

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Inssomniak:

can mythtv use 2 partitions to record to without the need to have them raided or LVM'd together?

[23:12:17]

xris:

Inssomniak: the svn version can

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Inssomniak:

sweet

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kgbudz:

nice

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kgbudz:

i manually wrote a script to turn one of my partitions into an archive partition

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kgbudz:

like i move shows between my servers

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kgbudz:

1 server deletes, 1 doesnt

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kgbudz:

i have 1tb of each

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xris:

kgbudz: storage groups will eventually do all of that for you.

[23:13:51]

kgbudz:

like i have a user job to do it for me

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kgbudz:

actually works pretty well

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xris:

kgbudz: the new storage group stuff that's going in hopefully before .21 will move stuff around to make the best use of space.

[23:14:53]

xris:

you can tell it which shows should record into which group, etc.

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kgbudz:

yup, nice

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xris:

and if one group gets full, it'll record on another and/or shuffle files around to make room.

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sphery:

xris: storage groups is in SVN trunk, now (but, I don't think the moving files around stuff is in, yet), so will be part of 0.21

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dan__t:

'evening.

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xris:

sphery: I was referring to the "moving stuff around" not being there yet.

[23:17:52]

sphery:

Oh, yeah. Makes sense. :)

[23:18:06]

dan__t:

I've been toying around with MythTV a lot lately, and I'm kindof curious if anyone provides a commercial service to lay it out on a machine as part of a media center or something, and does support on it etc etc.

[23:18:42]

sphery:

dan__t: North America? (based on "'evening")

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dan__t:

INdeed.

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sphery:

If so, you might want to check out Pluto ( http://plutohome.com/ )

[23:19:21]

sphery:

Myth and more, ready to go.

[23:19:58]

dan__t:

that's very cool.

[23:20:12]

dan__t:

My dad was wanting something for his "media room", and I'm trying to see what's already out there.

[23:20:25]

xris:

dan__t: $$$ :)

[23:20:29]

sphery:

Haven't used it myself, but if you prefer to spend money over time to get MythTV, it's probably a good choice.

[23:20:39]

dan__t:

Ideally it would be neat to couple the server with a tablet PC with a touchscreen, export the MythTV display to that, wirelessly...

[23:20:48]

Inssomniak:

svn is ready for dvb?

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xris:

dan__t: mythtv can do that. can run a full client that way.

[23:21:20]

dan__t:

Yeah, that's the idea.

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xris:

dan__t: you're probably thinking of something to control the tv, though.. I'm talking about running the tv on the tablet.

[23:21:56]

dan__t:

Oh.. no, not quite.

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dan__t:

simply a control panelish thing running on the tablet pc

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sphery:

I know Pluto has some control stuff built into "strange" devices.

[23:22:24]

sphery:

They sponsored development of the telnet interface.

[23:22:36]

sphery:

I think they're using it for bluetooth-enabled phones

[23:22:40]

sphery:

Possibly more.

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dan__t:

Very cool.

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xris:

dan__t: mythtv has a telnet control interface that you can use to control a frontend.. some people have written quick apps for palmtop things, but nothing official yet.

[23:23:19]

sphery:

They had talked about making the TV follow the user with bluetooth, too. Don't know if they went anywhere with that, though.

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dan__t:

That's pretty bad-ass, really.

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xris:

sphery: that'd be freaky

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sphery:

Yeah, I agree. Besides, that's what pause is for...

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Jaak_:

how do i get mythtv to reallly really reinstall on ubuntu?

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xris:

Jaak_: how did you install it the first time?

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sphery:

Jaak_: Sorry, I can't help. You're "apt" to find many others more qualified than I to help. :)

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xris:

!trout sphery bad-pun

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** MythLogBot slaps sphery with a bad-pun trout on behalf of xris... **

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** sphery thinks my bad pun scared him off **

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dan__t:

Ah well, just wanted to shoot the breeze about that.

[23:27:33]

dan__t:

I'm thinking that a component case with a few Hauppauge PVRs and a boatload of storage, witha wireless link to a tablet PC, would be really neato

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Jaak_:

xris, apt-getted it

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xris:

Jaak_: apt-get remove, then?

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kgbudz:

funny, my buddies mythbox got hit with a worm

[23:28:23]

kgbudz:

he made a login: mythtv/mythtv

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xris:

kgbudz: yeah, I've seen that.

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kgbudz:

and had port 22 open outside the firewall

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Jaak_:

xris, i did, and reinstalled it, but it didn't pass the same way, didn't ask for my mysql root pwd

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kgbudz:

i looked at the worm

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xris:

should always use ssh keys

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kgbudz:

and got a txt file with a handful of other boxes which the worm cracked

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kgbudz:

using his box

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xris:

Jaak_: might want to start looking for other things, then.

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xris:

Jaak_: also, apt doesn't remove config files.

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kgbudz:

found a darwin server

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kgbudz:

w/ root pw

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xris:

kgbudz: now would be the time to report that to the server's owner.

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kgbudz:

haha, how?

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kgbudz:

change their motd?

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xris:

email their ISP?

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xris:

do a reverse lookup on the IP and email whoever owns the whois record?

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kgbudz:

no clue

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kgbudz:

probably just a random server buried in someones network

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kgbudz:

anyone know how to make it so i have 2 monitor devices looking at the same desktop

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kgbudz:

in terms of xorg settings

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LabMonkey:

is it just me

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LabMonkey:

or has there been no movement on the windows port for months?

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Inssomniak:

mythtv use event interface for remote? or does it have to be lirc?

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Jaak_:

i have trouble filling in the dvb area numbers

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Jaak_:

my frequency is 554.00 mhz, and symbolrate is 6900 ks/s, but what do i fill in at the scantype of mythtv-setup

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Jaak_:

ok nvm, i got the right numbers

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