| Thursday, December 7th, 2006, 00:00 UTC | ||
| [00:00:04] | Paladine: | most tv's etc are just rebadged |
| [00:00:39] | |Torg|: | http://www.ubid.com/HP_F1905_19%22_LCD_Flat_P . . . 1776159.html |
| [00:01:13] | Paladine: | thats quite expensive |
| [00:01:13] | Zider: | Paladine: same as with lots of things.. like flash cards and RAM chip, which has like, 3 or 4 manufacturers in the world.. |
| [00:01:31] | Paladine: | I got 2 new 19" LCD with 8MS response for 114 GBP each (about $200 USD) |
| [00:01:39] | Paladine: | Zider indeed |
| [00:01:47] | |Torg|: | Zider thats true of amost every IT part |
| [00:01:48] | Paladine: | in fact it covers just about most consumer goods |
| [00:01:52] | Paladine: | and food as well |
| [00:02:14] | |Torg|: | Paladine where did you get the monitors? |
| [00:02:29] | Paladine: | it took me years to get the missus to understand that heinz Baked Beans are made in exactly the same factory as the generic supermarket ones and just canned with a different label |
| [00:02:34] | Paladine: | brb |
| [00:02:42] | stuarta: | that's very nice i have to ssay |
| [00:03:09] | stuarta: | ENOJACKDANIELS |
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| [00:04:10] | |Torg|: | http://www.mwave.com/mwave/Skusearch.hmx?scriteria=BA23161 |
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| [00:04:22] | Paladine: | it was only when a friend ofmine who used to work in the cannary where they are made, explained to her that I was telling the truth, that she finally believed me |
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| [00:05:02] | Paladine: | washing machines are the best |
| [00:05:14] | Paladine: | in the UK there are maybe half a dozen brands of laundry machines |
| [00:05:24] | Paladine: | and they are all produced by the exact same company |
| [00:05:34] | |Torg|: | AC is like that here |
| [00:05:43] | |Torg|: | there are about 30 iffernt makers of AC units |
| [00:05:52] | |Torg|: | there are two places that make compressor motors |
| [00:05:57] | |Torg|: | and 3 that actualy make units |
| [00:06:13] | Paladine: | 90% of the stuff on the market nowadays is outsourced OEM |
| [00:06:27] | |Torg|: | you probbly think the same thing about disk drives too |
| [00:06:37] | |Torg|: | there are in fact only three factoris in the world that make drives |
| [00:06:56] | Paladine: | the one exception is optical media |
| [00:07:03] | Paladine: | there are hundreds of companies making optical media |
| [00:07:24] | Paladine: | (cdr and dvdr disks) |
| [00:07:55] | Paladine: | I have been to couple of dvdr manufacturing plants |
| [00:07:59] | Paladine: | interesting places |
| [00:08:49] | |Torg|: | th tech for making blank media really isnt that complex |
| [00:09:21] | Paladine: | you'd be suprised |
| [00:09:28] | Paladine: | thats why quality varies so much |
| [00:09:56] | Paladine: | I used to own my own blank media company |
| [00:10:06] | Paladine: | my own brand too (outsourced of course) |
| [00:10:39] | Paladine: | hense why I visited production plants |
| [00:10:44] | Paladine: | to find a decent manufacturer |
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| [00:14:17] | |Torg|: | http://3btech.net/bllgl1ulbr19.html |
| [00:14:47] | |Torg|: | problme is my MB only had one pcie slot |
| [00:15:33] | Paladine: | thats nice but only 17" |
| [00:17:02] | Paladine: | women are bloody annoying |
| [00:17:24] | Paladine: | if I try and interrupt my missus when she is talking on the phone, she goes nuts |
| [00:17:40] | Paladine: | yet it is FINE for her to interrupt me when I am in the middle of a conversation on IRC |
| [00:17:50] | Paladine: | and expect me to run about doing stuff |
| [00:18:08] | stuarta: | can't live with em, can't live without em |
| [00:18:09] | Paladine: | and if icomplain or say no to request because I am in the middle of a conversation |
| [00:18:15] | |Torg|: | you should talk to the monitors :) |
| [00:18:15] | Paladine: | she goes nuts again |
| [00:18:36] | Paladine: | she just stormed off upstairs hehehe |
| [00:18:51] | Paladine: | she askd me to bring th cat dishes up to the kitchen, which I did |
| [00:19:03] | ** stuarta suggests no cat! ** | |
| [00:19:09] | Paladine: | but then she expected me to clean them and feed them too, I was like "I am right in the middle of something hon." |
| [00:19:12] | Paladine: | so she got shitty |
| [00:19:14] | |Torg|: | isnt it like midnight thre Paladine ? |
| [00:19:20] | Paladine: | yeah 20 past |
| [00:19:23] | ** stuarta recommends dogs ** | |
| [00:19:30] | Paladine: | we have 3cats |
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| [00:19:36] | Paladine: | and they eat more in a day thanI eat in a week |
| [00:19:45] | stuarta: | i hate cats |
| [00:19:53] | stuarta: | they make me sneeze |
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| [00:20:24] | stuarta: | and have no useful purpose |
| [00:20:27] | Paladine: | I keep telling mine if they don't start contributing to the household expense account, i am going to sell them to the local thai restaurant |
| [00:20:47] | stuarta: | mmmmm, thai green cat |
| [00:20:58] | stuarta: | *extra* spicy |
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| [00:21:08] | |Torg|: | cat curry :) |
| [00:21:31] | stuarta: | best use for em.... |
| [00:21:46] | Paladine: | I guess I better go kiss ass or she will be in a mood til the weekend |
| [00:21:49] | Paladine: | bbiab |
| [00:21:54] | |Torg|: | a bit stringy for my tastes though |
| [00:22:48] | stuarta: | all me and the missus want is a dog. |
| [00:22:54] | bobbob1016: | I've been trying to follow this: http://hyams.webhop.net/mythtv/myth_ubuntu.html tutorial to get mythtv installed on my ubuntu edgy machine, but Step 4 says to goto localhost in a browser, and click phpmyadmin and login. But it just starts downloading a file, any ideas? |
| [00:22:57] | stuarta: | sadly we lack a back yad |
| [00:23:23] | stuarta: | s/yad/yard |
| [00:23:30] | |Torg|: | mine wants a dog too, and we have a back yard |
| [00:23:49] | stuarta: | i love dogs & hate cats |
| [00:24:04] | stuarta: | and we both like basset hounds |
| [00:24:17] | stuarta: | we are having 2 |
| [00:24:23] | stuarta: | bongo & flash |
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| [00:30:38] | D-side: | bassetts are very sweet |
| [00:30:42] | D-side: | but so very stupid. |
| [00:31:00] | D-side: | i suppose that just adds to their charm. :) |
| [00:31:37] | stuarta: | no, they are very intelligent |
| [00:31:50] | stuarta: | they just chose to do what they want |
| [00:31:58] | bobbob1016: | can someone help me with getting that to work? I think it is somewhere simple, it's just I can't figure it out |
| [00:32:07] | D-side: | how can you hate cats, with an outlook like that? heh |
| [00:32:10] | |Torg|: | they are do inteligent they hide ther inteligence fom you :) |
| [00:32:24] | stuarta: | if you have never read the fred basset cartoon i suggest you read it |
| [00:32:43] | D-side: | don't get me wrong, i love dogs, all of them. i've just never met a very bright basset. heh |
| [00:32:53] | Paladine: | hey torg, credit where its due, I jus explained to her that me in a conversation online is the same as her on the phone and she accepted without argument :) |
| [00:33:07] | Paladine: | so all is good :) |
| [00:33:08] | |Torg|: | haha :) |
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| [00:33:15] | D-side: | im confused. i saw you say "her" and then i saw "without argument" |
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| [00:33:21] | Paladine: | hahahaha |
| [00:33:25] | stuarta: | hehe, basset are very human. |
| [00:33:46] | stuarta: | Walkie? It's pissing down rain, you must be joking? |
| [00:34:05] | Paladine: | D-side that was both quick witted and incredibly funny, even made the missus smile ;) |
| [00:34:22] | D-side: | Paladine: wow i'm glad she didnt hit you for it |
| [00:34:32] | Paladine: | so am I ;) |
| [00:34:41] | stuarta: | small miracle |
| [00:34:54] | stuarta: | anyway, night all..... |
| [00:35:11] | D-side: | later. |
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| [00:35:14] | |Torg|: | take care |
| [00:35:46] | D-side: | what the hell |
| [00:36:05] | D-side: | oh right. damnit. missed a recording and its my own damn fault. |
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| [00:43:00] | mocker: | For some reason my MythTV isn't showing any upcoming recordings anymore, and I can't schedule new recordings. I've done a mysqlcheck and everything checks out fine, any ideas? |
| [00:43:34] | mocker: | I don't know which SQL database to check to see if there's any data. |
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| [00:45:32] | Anduin: | mocker: free disk space on the DB drive? |
| [00:46:20] | mocker: | Plenty. |
| [00:46:27] | mocker: | Looks like the record table maybe. |
| [00:46:50] | Anduin: | Yeah, that is where the data for the scheduler starts |
| [00:47:14] | mocker: | Only 40 rows, guess I'll start chopping. :) |
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| [00:50:01] | mocker: | Hmm, that didn't really help. |
| [00:50:06] | mocker: | Deleted the most recent editions. |
| [00:50:14] | CharlieSu: | mocker: mine does the same thing.. |
| [00:50:19] | CharlieSu: | mocker: i'm using Ubuntu.. you? |
| [00:50:26] | mocker: | Gentoo.. |
| [00:50:44] | mocker: | Mine *was* working fine for the past 3 months or so.. ;) |
| [00:50:50] | CharlieSu: | mocker: yeah.. i don't have it on my gentoo box |
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| [00:53:11] | mocker: | Woo, I win. |
| [00:53:19] | mocker: | Had to restart mythbackend after my chopping. :) |
| [00:53:20] | CharlieSu: | mocker: figure it out? |
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| [00:54:34] | mocker: | Time to start scheduling database backups. ;) |
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| [00:57:18] | |Torg|: | 5 0 * * * mythbackup > /myth/backup.log 2>&1 & |
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| [00:58:47] | mocker: | Yeah, I got lucky. |
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| [01:06:52] | seth|laptop: | can someone pastebin me their mce lircrc file?? |
| [01:13:13] | Anduin: | seth|laptop: There is an example one in contrib/configfiles (or just configfiles in 0.20) |
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| [01:15:03] | seth|laptop: | i am on gentoo, didn't do svn |
| [01:16:01] | seth|laptop: | would that be in the mythtv.org tarballs? |
| [01:16:21] | Anduin: | seth|laptop: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/browser/trunk/myth . . . /configfiles |
| [01:17:27] | seth|laptop: | thanks, that wil work, gotta love irc |
| [01:18:59] | scott_: | Hey everyone ! ! |
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| [01:27:25] | magicrobotmonkey: | i cant figure out how to configure recording profiles |
| [01:27:55] | Deformative: | Is there a way to run mythtv via php in the browser? |
| [01:29:07] | Agrajag-: | Deformative: there's mythweb |
| [01:29:47] | Deformative: | Alright, thankyou, I will google it. |
| [01:30:22] | |Torg|: | umm it comes with myth already |
| [01:31:03] | magicrobotmonkey: | i set up a show to record and created a custom recording profile for it |
| [01:31:13] | Deformative: | Hmm. |
| [01:31:22] | magicrobotmonkey: | now it show in previously recorded, but not watch recordings |
| [01:31:34] | Deformative: | How does it run? Laggy or no? I need to setup audio on my server still. |
| [01:32:14] | |Torg|: | how does what run, mythweb? |
| [01:33:18] | Agrajag-: | Deformative: it's not the same as mythfrontend. you can't watch live tv. you can download/stream a recording though (no transcoding or anything like that yet) |
| [01:33:57] | Deformative: | Damn. |
| [01:34:44] | Deformative: | Hmm, ssh, haha. |
| [01:34:54] | |Torg|: | you can check the sttus of teh backend (but you dont need mythweb for that really), you can schedule recordings (in fact that is the easiest way), you can maintain schedules, edit chanenl info (againt the easiest way), and chnge most configuration optisn |
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| [02:05:57] | cornell: | ANybody know anything about mythsvn.sh and svn? It is supposed to download via svn, the source and compile it. Apparently, there's no svn on my myth box. What package to I need to install? |
| [02:08:55] | kormoc: | cornell, you need to install subversion |
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| [02:20:12] | cornell: | Right, kormoc. apt-get install what? What is the package name? I did apt-cache pkgnames svn and got: svncviewer |
| [02:20:13] | cornell: | svn-buildpackage |
| [02:20:13] | cornell: | svn-arch-mirror |
| [02:20:13] | cornell: | svn-workbench |
| [02:20:14] | cornell: | svnmailer |
| [02:20:14] | cornell: | svn-devscripts |
| [02:22:06] | kormoc: | cornell, the package name is subversion or svn |
| [02:22:20] | kormoc: | cornell, what distro? |
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| [02:23:19] | TheSiege: | can someone tell me the limitations of the mythTV script of XBMC for xbox? |
| [02:23:55] | Deformative: | Is there a way to use my laptop as a remote? |
| [02:24:04] | Deformative: | I do not wanna buy an infrared remote. |
| [02:24:14] | kormoc: | Deformative, use the telnet interface |
| [02:25:22] | cornell: | knoppmyth R5C7 |
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| [02:26:13] | cornell: | apt-get install subversion got it... Thanks kormoc |
| [02:26:31] | kormoc: | you're welcome |
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| [02:33:53] | marxes: | is the firewire interface something that is part of the ivtv drivers or something on the myth side |
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| [02:34:12] | BULLE: | marxes: ivtv has nothign to do with firewire |
| [02:34:17] | BULLE: | marxes: that much i know |
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| [02:38:20] | marxes: | hmm |
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| [02:53:18] | TheSiege: | can someone tell me the limitations of the mythTV script of XBMC for xbox? |
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| [02:54:03] | iamlindoro: | Hi all-- does anyone have a good working solution for parsing tvtome or tvrage for episode information and applying it to the mythtv database? |
| [02:56:36] | kormoc: | Sure, the solution is for you to write a script that does just that :P |
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| [02:59:05] | seth|laptop: | ok. I have lircd working with irw but not in mythtv, where do I look? |
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| [02:59:18] | seth|laptop: | gentoo is giving me heartburn |
| [03:00:19] | seth|laptop: | how or where does lircd look for lircrc? |
| [03:01:07] | kormoc: | mythtv looks for lircrc in ~/.mythtv/lircrc |
| [03:01:17] | kormoc: | every other app in the world looks for lircrc in ~/.lircrc |
| [03:03:14] | seth|laptop: | ok, that is what i thought |
| [03:03:17] | BULLE: | so just put it in one place, and make a symlink to the other |
| [03:03:32] | BULLE: | then both mythtv and mplayer and all the rest go happy happy joy joy |
| [03:03:54] | seth|laptop: | hrm |
| [03:04:35] | seth|laptop: | well its in here |
| [03:04:49] | seth|laptop: | mythtv@mythcenter ~/.mythtv $ ls |
| [03:04:50] | seth|laptop: | lircrc mysql.txt osdcache themecache |
| [03:05:08] | seth|laptop: | what calls it |
| [03:05:57] | kormoc: | calls it? |
| [03:06:04] | kormoc: | mythfrontend uses it if that's what you mean |
| [03:06:10] | seth|laptop: | what looks for the file lrcrc |
| [03:06:17] | seth|laptop: | ok, where is that configured? |
| [03:06:41] | seth|laptop: | perhaps gentoo built mythtv without lirc? |
| [03:06:42] | kormoc: | it's not. it's hardcoded in as ~/.myhttv/lircrc |
| [03:06:53] | kormoc: | seth|laptop, check your use flags, emerge -pv mythtv |
| [03:13:53] | seth|laptop: | lirc is in red after USE=" |
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| [03:18:11] | seth|laptop: | no, it was built with it, is in /etc/portage/package.use |
| [03:19:21] | kormoc: | hum |
| [03:19:32] | kormoc: | you can run the frontend in a console with -v lirc |
| [03:19:40] | kormoc: | it should give you some extra info |
| [03:20:39] | seth|laptop: | hmm |
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| [03:33:54] | seth|laptop: | no luck, looks like its back to goos old KP |
| [03:35:44] | seth|laptop: | still getting i/o tmeouts on he sata drive anyways, maybe I just need a new cable |
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| [04:00:51] | Neeesat25: | Anyone awake? |
| [04:01:04] | kormoc: | nope |
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| [04:01:46] | seth|laptop: | re-installing KP R5D1 |
| [04:01:57] | Neeesat25: | kormoc do you know why I get this: RingBuf(/mnt/store//4401_20061207054944.mpg): Invalid file (fd -1) when opening '/mnt/store//4401_20061207054944.mpg'? |
| [04:02:11] | jams: | seth|laptop- did you test the livecd.iso? |
| [04:02:12] | kormoc: | sounds like it can't open '/mnt/store//4401_20061207054944.mpg'? |
| [04:02:30] | Neeesat25: | but it's there |
| [04:02:46] | seth|laptop: | jams, for whatever reason, the iso was not complete, k3b failed the md5 |
| [04:02:46] | kormoc: | with permissions that allow it to be read? |
| [04:02:54] | jams: | ah |
| [04:03:00] | jams: | oh well |
| [04:03:34] | Neeesat25: | I have try to change the permissions of /mnt/store to 777 but I got the same error |
| [04:03:43] | seth|laptop: | well tomorrow, if you're around, send me the link again, I have a box, just newley aquired, that I would love to test it on |
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| [04:04:16] | jams: | well, might as well fix dvb first |
| [04:04:20] | seth|laptop: | ok |
| [04:04:31] | jams: | debugging that now |
| [04:05:05] | jams: | think i'm on to someting right now which should be able to help dtk fix the problem |
| [04:05:36] | seth|laptop: | cool |
| [04:05:56] | scott_: | anyone updated to 2.6.19 kernel? I don't seem to have the option of building specific dvb and v4l modules like I did in earlier versions |
| [04:06:20] | jams: | somewhere along the way the code appears to drop the sistandard type for dvb cards |
| [04:06:26] | jams: | works fine for the hdhomerun |
| [04:08:04] | seth|laptop: | you have oe of those? |
| [04:08:08] | seth|laptop: | one |
| [04:08:09] | jams: | yep |
| [04:08:16] | seth|laptop: | how is it? |
| [04:08:17] | jams: | assume you mean the hdhomerun |
| [04:08:20] | seth|laptop: | yes |
| [04:08:33] | jams: | it's alright, lot easier to setup then a dvb card |
| [04:09:01] | jams: | sometimes I get a little breakup but I don't use it enough to really know if it's the hdhomerun or reception |
| [04:09:20] | seth|laptop: | hmm, I was thinkn on geting one of those |
| [04:09:26] | seth|laptop: | for OTA HD |
| [04:10:02] | jams: | yeah thats what I use it for |
| [04:10:10] | jams: | with a little desktop antenna =) |
| [04:10:32] | jams: | haven't gotten around to a real antenna in the attic yet |
| [04:10:48] | seth|laptop: | I have one on my roof, or rather above it |
| [04:11:04] | seth|laptop: | ebay $18 |
| [04:11:33] | seth|laptop: | gets me all the channels, and has a built in amp rotator, uses the same cable as the antenna for rotation signal, pretty cool |
| [04:12:35] | jams: | nice |
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| [04:16:48] | wireddd: | charter changed my channel lineup, do I need to do anything to the backend so that it will update to the new channel numbers? |
| [04:17:46] | seth|laptop: | wireddd, us or europe |
| [04:17:57] | wireddd: | us |
| [04:18:43] | seth|laptop: | go to zap2it, modify or delete and recreate your lineup, then rn mythfilldatabase --refresh-all |
| [04:18:57] | briand: | wireddd: 1) verify zap2it has the new lineup, 2) mythfilldatabase --refresh-all |
| [04:19:02] | briand: | er, yeah, what he said. ;) |
| [04:19:10] | seth|laptop: | ;- |
| [04:19:11] | briand: | seth types faster than I do. |
| [04:19:15] | seth|laptop: | hehe |
| [04:19:34] | seth|laptop: | well you have all kinds of nmbers and symbols in your ;-) |
| [04:20:12] | seth|laptop: | wow its like after 11, i should get to bed soon |
| [04:24:53] | briand: | me too. SVN 12210 is compiled and installed, so I'm off to bed. |
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| [04:26:53] | AlHaz: | Evening |
| [04:27:14] | Neeesat25: | here what I have in mythbackend debug: AutoExpire: ERROR when trying to autoexpire file: /mnt/store//4401_20061206222640.mpg. File |
| [04:27:57] | AlHaz: | I have what should be a basic configuration question that i can't find a good set of search terms for |
| [04:28:12] | wireddd: | Neeesat25, what are the permissions of that file? |
| [04:28:17] | AlHaz: | so, searching the mailing list, wiki, etc, is futile |
| [04:28:43] | AlHaz: | Is there any way to configure channels as being only available from particular capture cards? |
| [04:29:00] | Neeesat25: | -rw-r--r-- |
| [04:29:30] | wireddd: | and who owns the file? |
| [04:29:45] | Neeesat25: | I am starting myth as mythtv |
| [04:30:19] | briand: | that doesn't matter. who owns the file? |
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| [04:31:00] | AlHaz: | e.g., I have an ATSC tuner which has no NTSC tuner ability. I have a PVR350 which obviously has no ATSC capability. I'm considering adding a DVB-S card as well. |
| [04:31:11] | putnum: | hey guys how does mythtv compare to MCE? |
| [04:31:18] | AlHaz: | by default, myth seems to try to tune any channel on the last capture card used |
| [04:31:37] | Neeesat25: | mythtv is running myth so the file should belongs to the user that starts the mythtv |
| [04:31:49] | briand: | putnum: think of MCE as a 1973 Ford Pinto. it'll do the job, but it's not a Cadillac Escalade |
| [04:31:52] | wireddd: | Neeesat25, but does it |
| [04:32:00] | kormoc: | putnum, http://www.google.com/search?q=mce+vs+mythtv |
| [04:32:01] | AlHaz: | since my capture devices are heterogeneous, this will never, ever work. |
| [04:32:08] | Neeesat25: | How I check that? |
| [04:32:25] | putnum: | yea guys but mythtv cannot lay hd-dvds right? |
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| [04:32:50] | kormoc: | putnum, if any linux player can, myth can |
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| [04:33:05] | wireddd: | Neeesat25, do ls -la /mnt/store/4401_20061207054944.mpg |
| [04:33:10] | kormoc: | AlHaz, huh? myth is smart enough to only tune tuners to the channels you tell it it has |
| [04:33:54] | Neeesat25: | -rw-r--r-- 1 mythtv mythtv 0 2006-12–07 06:20 /mnt/store/4401_20061207062003.mpg |
| [04:34:06] | Neeesat25: | but it is a diferent file |
| [04:34:30] | Neeesat25: | the file 4401_20061207054944.mpg does not exists |
| [04:34:58] | AlHaz: | kormoc: Then i must be missing some configuration somewhere, because it has my pvr350 trying to tune atsc and my avertvhd trying to tune ntsc – unless i hit y to switch cards |
| [04:35:24] | wireddd: | Neeesat25, should it? |
| [04:35:30] | kormoc: | AlHaz, well, it shouldn't, you might want to file a bug, svn.mythtv.org |
| [04:36:09] | AlHaz: | kormoc: Since you can't get an atsc tuner w/ embedded PVR chip for NTSC yet, i imagine this will become a common configuration |
| [04:36:20] | Neeesat25: | it's working now |
| [04:36:32] | Neeesat25: | dono why but it is working |
| [04:36:38] | wireddd: | hmm, ok |
| [04:37:10] | AlHaz: | kormoc: How i got here was I built the master backend with the ATSC tuner in it, then added a slave backend machine that has the pvr350 in it. |
| [04:37:20] | kormoc: | AlHaz, it's actually a common configuration now, there's been quite a few people in here with similar setups and don't seem to have that issue |
| [04:38:56] | AlHaz: | kormoc: I wonder if something is askew with my database, I had a hell of a time getting datadirect lined up before i figured out that mythfilldatabase apparently wants the callsign in the channels table to match the zap2it callsign and the xmltv id to match what datadirect believes the id should be for that callsign. |
| [04:40:01] | AlHaz: | what zap2it thinks the callsigns are for ATSC channels has little to nothing to do with what the sdt broadcast from the tower (and imported from the channel scan) is |
| [04:41:00] | AlHaz: | imho mythfilldatabase has too much magic in it and too few ways to disable the magic. |
| [04:42:03] | kormoc: | yeah, perhaps someone better versed in atsc will be on, as I'm not very familar with it |
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| [04:43:04] | AlHaz: | I have a more general question. I don't mean to be a jackass, but does ANYBODY actually like mythmusic or mythvideo? |
| [04:43:44] | kormoc: | I like mythvideo |
| [04:43:48] | kormoc: | and noone really like mythmusic |
| [04:44:15] | AlHaz: | I can understand what mythmusic is trying to do. It fails miserably but I know what it's trying to do. |
| [04:44:27] | AlHaz: | I can't make head or tail of how mythvideo was supposed to be good |
| [04:44:40] | kormoc: | well, there's a few ways to get the data |
| [04:44:52] | kormoc: | I perfer the directory listings, others perfer the gallery |
| [04:44:58] | kormoc: | it's rather stright forward |
| [04:45:11] | AlHaz: | I prefer directory listings |
| [04:45:19] | kormoc: | so switch the style to that |
| [04:45:26] | kormoc: | it has multiple styles :P |
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| [04:45:38] | AlHaz: | fwiw, I've been using freevo as a multimedia jukebox for about 4 years |
| [04:45:59] | AlHaz: | and i haven't had any interest at all in setting up a pvr system until now |
| [04:46:24] | AlHaz: | freevo currently can't handle hdtv at all. at least nobody seems to have tried. |
| [04:46:38] | AlHaz: | and only really has live pvr capability with ivtv cards |
| [04:46:54] | AlHaz: | but as a media jukebox it mops the floor with myth |
| [04:47:19] | kormoc: | the media stuff in myth is all after thought anyway, and no-one wants to make it any better |
| [04:47:39] | kormoc: | and thus it stands as is |
| [04:49:09] | kormoc: | in anycase, I'm out |
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| [04:49:21] | AlHaz: | I'm actually considering the possibility of cobbling together a freevo plugin that runs mythfrontend |
| [04:53:33] | wireddd: | how is it that my tivo has the updated channel list but zap2it doesn't? |
| [04:53:56] | AlHaz: | that's a good question – they both get the data from tribune, don't they? |
| [04:54:01] | wireddd: | yeah |
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| [04:57:32] | Jazbo: | Hey folks I'm trying to create a DVD from some .nuv file but having no luck. Could someone point be to a guide on how to do this? |
| [04:59:16] | AlHaz: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/MythArchive |
| [05:00:31] | Jazbo: | AlHaz: I'm running a setup that doesn't have the MythArchive plugin. Time is an issue here and I'm afraid that trying to get the plugin working is just going to take longe |
| [05:00:36] | Jazbo: | longer |
| [05:00:37] | AlHaz: | ah |
| [05:01:05] | Jazbo: | i'm using this method: http://www.wlug.org/files/howto_dvd_talk/HOWTO_MAKE_DVD |
| [05:01:06] | AlHaz: | my brother told me something about some app called nuvexport or something, but, as for making DVDs, I dunno any specifics |
| [05:01:21] | AlHaz: | all I know about DVD format video is that "mpeg2" is too vague of a term to describe it |
| [05:02:10] | Jazbo: | But when I do the mplex step I get errors saying the mp2 and m2v files are "unrecognizable" |
| [05:02:24] | AlHaz: | http://gentoo-wiki.com/TIP_MythTV_to_DVD |
| [05:06:03] | xris: | AlHaz: nuvexport is for exporting to other formats. it'll make a dvd-compatible mpeg, but mytharchive is better |
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| [05:06:46] | AlHaz: | xris: don't look at me man, I told him to use mytharchive |
| [05:06:51] | Jazbo: | Hmm so a .nuv file could be mpeg2 or mpeg4? |
| [05:06:59] | AlHaz: | .nuv is just a container format |
| [05:07:03] | AlHaz: | it could also be rtjpeg |
| [05:07:07] | AlHaz: | or mjpeg |
| [05:07:07] | xris: | Jazbo: what version of myth? |
| [05:07:21] | xris: | .19 and later names the files appropriately. so mpegs will be .mpg |
| [05:07:42] | Jazbo: | xris: how could I tell what version quickly? |
| [05:08:02] | xris: | Jazbo: didn't you install mythtv yourself? |
| [05:08:06] | xris: | what distro? |
| [05:08:23] | xris: | `mythfrontend --version` will tell you, though |
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| [05:08:50] | Jazbo: | xris: knoppmyth but an older one |
| [05:09:06] | xris: | Jazbo: probably too old, then |
| [05:09:13] | xris: | so things will all say nuv whether they are or not |
| [05:09:18] | Jazbo: | version is 0.18.1.20050510–1 |
| [05:09:59] | Jazbo: | xris: so if the file has not been transcoded then it's probably mpeg2? |
| [05:10:21] | xris: | transcoded will be either mpeg4 or rtjpeg, depending on your settings.. and will ALWAYS be nupplevideo |
| [05:12:05] | Jazbo: | Is it okay to paste 5 lines? |
| [05:14:04] | Jazbo: | $ mplex -f 8 -O 133ms -o 1.mpg Tape1.m2v Tape1.mp2 |
| [05:14:05] | Jazbo: | INFO: [mplex] mplex version 1.6.2 (2.2.3 $Date: 2004/01/13 20:45:26 $) |
| [05:14:05] | Jazbo: | **ERROR: [mplex] File unrecogniseable! |
| [05:14:05] | Jazbo: | INFO: [mplex] File Tape1.mp2 looks like an MPEG Audio stream. |
| [05:14:06] | Jazbo: | **ERROR: [mplex] Unrecogniseable file(s)... exiting. |
| [05:15:27] | xris: | Jazbo: what are you trying to do? |
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| [05:16:42] | Jazbo: | xris: hmm lemme see might have found the problem... |
| [05:16:47] | AlHaz: | he's trying to make a dvd by demultiplexing a nuv and remuxing it into an mpeg |
| [05:17:02] | xris: | AlHaz: ahh. um, that doesn't work |
| [05:18:27] | Jazbo: | ?? really? |
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| [05:24:58] | iamlindoro: | Is there an option to have mythtv not "re-tune" when you select "watch tv"? As in, not to send the cir blaster change channel command? Further, is there any way to have mythtv constantly buffering the current show and channel so that if you choose "watch tv" you don't wait the three or four seconds for it to open a new file and buffer? |
| [05:25:11] | iamlindoro: | er, "ir blaster," that is |
| [05:26:32] | xris: | Jazbo: it will work if you have actual mpeg files. |
| [05:26:44] | xris: | but if you have nupplevideo files, you need mytharchive or nuvexport |
| [05:26:47] | AlHaz: | i think the continuous ring-buffer thing is already in the wishlist. which is to say, no. |
| [05:26:47] | AlHaz: | as for the other, heck if i know. |
| [05:26:48] | jams: | well I think I narrowed down the problem to a specific function, but I don't see how it's removing the value for sistandard. |
| [05:27:14] | jams: | entering the fuction, the value is correct. Leaving the function the value is null |
| [05:27:18] | xris: | AlHaz: um, ringbuffer is old. not going to happen again |
| [05:28:51] | AlHaz: | xris: That's too bad. it's a perfectly reasonable way to add various kinds of functionality |
| [05:30:00] | xris: | AlHaz: until you can save to two different files at the same time, it also removes a lot of functionality. |
| [05:30:13] | xris: | plus, encoding and grinding on the drive all the time would be really annoying |
| [05:30:21] | AlHaz: | xris: that shouldn't be hard |
| [05:30:36] | AlHaz: | xris: my tivo does it all day every day. i really don't mind. |
| [05:30:45] | AlHaz: | OTOH the tivo is quiet |
| [05:31:15] | xris: | you sure it does, and not just that it stays tuned in? |
| [05:31:35] | AlHaz: | yeah. I can walk in after being out of town for a week and hit rewind. |
| [05:31:41] | xris: | nifty |
| [05:32:24] | AlHaz: | the way that tivo records 'suggestions' is actually a method of wear-leveling |
| [05:32:36] | AlHaz: | especially if you have a stand-alone version |
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| [05:33:00] | AlHaz: | watching live tv, a tivo is constantly recording to a half hour buffer at it's highest bitrate |
| [05:33:29] | AlHaz: | recording a 'suggested' tv show allows it to switch down to a lower bitrate and stop releasing the oldest seconds of a half hour of video |
| [05:34:04] | h|barbobot: | hey guys, after a show is recorded is there a way to automatically transfer it to another directory? |
| [05:34:24] | AlHaz: | if you decide you want to record something perminantly, it converts the ring buffer to a regular stream on the fly |
| [05:34:48] | AlHaz: | wasn't available until v2.3 of the tivo myworld app, iirc. |
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| [05:37:58] | AlHaz: | well, thanks folks. I'm going to bed. I'll probably wander in tomorrow night looking for someone with a similar atsc+ntsc configuration |
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| [05:43:32] | burner: | uhm.. mythtvosd should work in mythmusic too |
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| [05:44:00] | burner: | it should have worked regardless of what plugin i'm in |
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| [05:44:17] | burner: | in the main menu too |
| [05:44:18] | burner: | :) |
| [05:45:35] | Jazbo: | So when making a dvd (that will play in ordinary dvd player) is it possible to cram tons of low quality video on the dvd or is the "dvd" resolution a set quantity? |
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| [06:06:43] | sandeen: | holy crap my 8 year old 1371 sound card -can- do digital out |
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| [06:12:04] | sivik: | i seem to be having problems with the backend setup |
| [06:12:08] | sivik: | backend server* |
| [06:12:37] | sivik: | is anyone alive? |
| [06:13:00] | juski: | no, nobody is alive |
| [06:13:36] | sivik: | why does it seem that i can't figure out how to add my video sources correctly |
| [06:14:09] | juski: | although you might want to be careful what you say in here (despite there being an active log).. I found a throwaway comment I made while searching on Yahoo.. whoops |
| [06:14:29] | sivik: | ? |
| [06:14:48] | sivik: | scan type: failed to open the card |
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| [06:15:26] | juski: | sivik: well, you add video cards, right? you then define a video source, which isn't really a source of video, more a source of electronic programme guide data. then you assign the 'video' source to an input on your tuner (or the tuner itself) |
| [06:15:48] | sivik: | oh, so its the video card not something to do with the capture card |
| [06:15:49] | juski: | sivik: failed to open the card? does this card work on your system outside of mythtv? |
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| [06:16:10] | sivik: | like my video card? |
| [06:16:16] | juski: | the tuner card |
| [06:16:38] | sivik: | i have no clue if it works anyone outside of mythtv, other than i know it works when i have to use winblows |
| [06:16:51] | juski: | what sort of tuner card is it? |
| [06:17:04] | sivik: | hauppauge win-go 150 |
| [06:17:09] | juski: | rule number one: verify the hardware works in linux before playing with mythtv |
| [06:17:29] | sivik: | i know it does, already did that before i bought the thing |
| [06:17:36] | juski: | sivik: you sure? I mean it's not a pvr150? |
| [06:17:40] | juski: | no I mean on YOUR box |
| [06:18:10] | sivik: | what do you mean about my box, my video card works, i have no clue if the tv tuner card will work or not, thats what i'm trying to do |
| [06:18:22] | juski: | you have to do that to make sure the drivers are set up correctly, so if it doesn't work in mythtv at least you've eliminated a few variables |
| [06:18:46] | sivik: | i don't know how to try it in anything else, i haven't ever done this with a capture card before |
| [06:18:49] | juski: | otherwise you'd be like er... "so which isn;t working? is it the tuner card or is it mythtv, or both?" |
| [06:18:50] | sivik: | 01:08.0 Multimedia video controller: Brooktree Corporation Bt878 Video Capture (rev 11) |
| [06:19:16] | juski: | so it's a framegrabber-type of card (yuk!) and you'll need tvtime to test it |
| [06:19:25] | sivik: | ok |
| [06:19:37] | sivik: | then why do all the how-tos say to use mythtv |
| [06:19:49] | juski: | those howtos are wrong |
| [06:19:53] | juski: | :) |
| [06:19:54] | sivik: | ok |
| [06:19:59] | sivik: | i didn't know that either |
| [06:20:12] | juski: | or they assume you already know the tuner card works in linux on your box |
| [06:20:29] | sivik: | ok |
| [06:21:04] | juski: | I mean there's **no point** proceeding with mythtv (if you want to watch & record tv) if the tuner card doesn't even _work_ is there? ;) |
| [06:21:27] | sivik: | yes, i understand that |
| [06:23:28] | juski: | as for scanning for channels in that part of mythtv – erm.. your mileage might vary with that |
| [06:24:11] | juski: | anyway – time for me to head to work now. good luck :) |
| [06:25:38] | sivik: | anyone else around |
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| [06:29:19] | sivik: | www.rrchasintexans.com/tvtunerworking.png |
| [06:29:31] | sivik: | was there anyone else that could assist me |
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| [06:54:24] | Mattwj2005: | hey guys :) |
| [06:54:42] | Mattwj2005: | how is everyone tonight? |
| [06:55:58] | Mattwj2005: | anyone here in the room? |
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| [07:56:55] | chris_: | anyon have any idea what I may be doing wrong? I have a (what I think is a) kick ass myth setup, seperate backend xp 2500 512 ram raid 0/lvm 500 gig /myth partition sql db on backend also. but every now and then I get spuratic pauses and stream failures usually during my nightly cron (updatedb is the culpret) and during the mythfilldatabase |
| [07:57:55] | chris_: | mythfill database I have setup to request time of day so its kinda random.... |
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| [08:00:37] | chris_: | my main frontend is an xp 2500 512 ram 100 mbit ether that also serves as my main desktop (myth is set to display:0.1) and 2 laptops that act as completely wireless tv's if I need/want |
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| [08:05:10] | chris_: | any masters of myth alive in here? could it possibly be an io prob? if so what can I possibly do to fix it? |
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| [08:46:14] | noobie0057: | Does myth tv support multiple cards? |
| [08:48:44] | visit0r: | yes |
| [08:49:27] | phrozen77: | say, anyone uses a hauppauge nova-t (with connexant chipset) pci dvb-t card ? |
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| [09:02:37] | juski: | phrozen77: I have a similar card. what's your problem? |
| [09:03:18] | phrozen77: | juski: no matter what i do – i've been banging my head against several walls for the last 5 days – i cant get it to find / scan / tune into channels and let alone display some video / tv |
| [09:03:35] | phrozen77: | dvbscan gives me loads of tuning failed errors |
| [09:03:53] | phrozen77: | though, all device-nodes seem to be there |
| [09:03:57] | phrozen77: | /dev/dvb/* |
| [09:04:02] | juski: | phrozen77: if dvbscan doesn't work, forget all about mythtv |
| [09:04:08] | phrozen77: | and /dev/v4l/video0 and stuff |
| [09:04:09] | phrozen77: | i know |
| [09:04:23] | juski: | you in the UK? |
| [09:04:23] | phrozen77: | but i am out of ideas what might be wrong |
| [09:04:25] | phrozen77: | no, germany |
| [09:04:34] | juski: | do you have a dvb-t set top box? |
| [09:04:40] | phrozen77: | no, not now |
| [09:04:57] | juski: | I'd suggest borrowing one to check your aerial is ok |
| [09:05:00] | phrozen77: | juski: linuxtv-dvb-tools on gentoo do have frequencies with them |
| [09:05:05] | phrozen77: | hmmm |
| [09:05:09] | phrozen77: | it should be |
| [09:05:32] | phrozen77: | though i once even had a few programs with a set-top box without an aerial |
| [09:05:36] | juski: | also, pci tv tuners aren't usually as sensitive to signals as set top boxes are |
| [09:05:40] | phrozen77: | ah |
| [09:05:43] | phrozen77: | hmm |
| [09:05:52] | phrozen77: | what devices you got in /dev/dvb? |
| [09:06:04] | juski: | adapter0 and adapter1 |
| [09:06:10] | phrozen77: | i got like 4 there, including frontend0 and demux0 |
| [09:06:19] | phrozen77: | ah – i mean under adapter0 |
| [09:06:46] | juski: | /dev/dvb/adapter0: |
| [09:06:47] | juski: | demux0 dvr0 frontend0 net0 |
| [09:06:51] | phrozen77: | coz i've seen some postings somewhere that also had video0 and so on, around 8 entries in total |
| [09:07:01] | phrozen77: | yeah, thats how it is here too |
| [09:07:18] | phrozen77: | so, driver-wise everything should be ok i suppose |
| [09:07:30] | juski: | dev/video0 is the composite input etc |
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| [09:07:45] | phrozen77: | ah, none of that here |
| [09:07:55] | phrozen77: | which distro are you using? |
| [09:07:59] | juski: | ubuntu |
| [09:08:10] | juski: | anyway that shouldn't matter for dvb |
| [09:08:43] | phrozen77: | indeed, it shouldnt – though i am *really* running out of ideas why it wont work :| |
| [09:09:16] | juski: | doesn't dvbscan find _anything_ ? |
| [09:09:26] | phrozen77: | nope, only tuning fails |
| [09:09:49] | juski: | maybe your initial tuning file is wrong |
| [09:09:53] | phrozen77: | hm hold on, i'll power up the box and get on irc from there |
| [09:10:01] | juski: | maybe the coax cable is bad |
| [09:10:20] | phrozen77: | theres just like one meter and then theres an active antenna |
| [09:10:34] | juski: | an indoor antenna? |
| [09:10:37] | phrozen77: | though i'm now going to put it *outside* of the window |
| [09:10:37] | phrozen77: | yup |
| [09:10:59] | juski: | indoor antennas are RUBBISH for digital signals in most cases |
| [09:11:06] | juski: | infact just rubbish full stop! |
| [09:11:33] | juski: | my sister can see the TV mast from her window yet the indoor aerial she had was useless |
| [09:12:42] | juski: | also, put the PC case back together if you have an indoor aerial – otherwise the computer can cause interference! |
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| [09:13:57] | phrozen77^mythbo: | here i am |
| [09:14:11] | phrozen77^mythbo: | ok, lets see what dvbscan says with open window |
| [09:14:20] | phrozen77^mythbo: | cable is even too short to put it outside |
| [09:14:49] | DGnome: | Is the 'Network Recorder' documented somewhere? |
| [09:15:10] | phrozen77^mythbo: | initial transponder 674000000 0 2 9 1 1 3 0 |
| [09:15:12] | phrozen77^mythbo: | initial transponder 778000000 0 2 9 1 1 2 0 |
| [09:15:12] | phrozen77^mythbo: | >>> tune to: 538000000:INVERSION_AUTO:BANDWIDTH_8_MHZ:FEC_2_3:FEC_AUTO: |
| [09:15:13] | phrozen77^mythbo: | ANSMISSION_MODE_8K:GUARD_INTERVAL_1_4:HIERARCHY_NONE |
| [09:15:13] | phrozen77^mythbo: | WARNING: >>> tuning failed!!! |
| [09:15:13] | phrozen77^mythbo: | .... |
| [09:17:06] | juski: | phrozen77: you trying the correct initial tuning file? |
| [09:17:08] | phrozen77^mythbo: | juski, any ideas? |
| [09:17:12] | phrozen77^mythbo: | no |
| [09:17:18] | phrozen77^mythbo: | i havent found any alternative ones |
| [09:17:24] | phrozen77^mythbo: | but there are plenty for germany |
| [09:17:43] | phrozen77^mythbo: | from the default install of linuxtv-dvb-tools on gentoo |
| [09:17:47] | juski: | are you using the right one for your area? |
| [09:17:50] | phrozen77^mythbo: | also one matching my area |
| [09:17:51] | phrozen77^mythbo: | yup |
| [09:17:55] | phrozen77^mythbo: | de-Ruhrgebiet |
| [09:18:03] | juski: | might be time to get a proper aerial installed |
| [09:18:09] | phrozen77^mythbo: | i've also tried others that are *near* to hear, same result |
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| [09:18:19] | phrozen77^mythbo: | heh, if i *KNEW* it was it |
| [09:18:36] | phrozen77^mythbo: | problem is that roof-mounted aerials have vanished like 20 years ago here :P |
| [09:18:42] | juski: | borrow a STB, then try the indoor aerial with that |
| [09:18:58] | juski: | if the STB doesn't work with the indoor aerial you know it's a PoS ;) |
| [09:19:06] | phrozen77^mythbo: | mhhm |
| [09:19:24] | juski: | or take your PC to a friend's house where they have a real aerial ;) |
| [09:20:37] | juski: | two very easy ways to eliminate the aerial from your enquiries |
| [09:20:39] | juski: | ^^ |
| [09:20:50] | phrozen77^mythbo: | http://rafb.net/paste/results/omzWLj76.html |
| [09:20:59] | phrozen77^mythbo: | config-wise it looks just fine to me :| |
| [09:21:04] | phrozen77^mythbo: | at least to me =) |
| [09:23:30] | phrozen77^mythbo: | which modules you have loaded for it? |
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| [09:25:46] | phrozen77^mythbo: | juski? |
| [09:42:50] | phrozen77^mythbo: | hm |
| [09:43:00] | phrozen77^mythbo: | emerging w_scan now, lets see if *that* finds channels |
| [09:43:01] | phrozen77^mythbo: | http://free.pages.at/wirbel4vdr/w_scan/index2.html |
| [09:51:48] | phrozen77^mythbo: | ERROR: Sorry – i couldn't get any working frequency/transponder |
| [09:51:48] | phrozen77^mythbo: | Nothing to scan!! |
| [09:51:48] | phrozen77^mythbo: | dumping lists (0 services) |
| [09:51:48] | phrozen77^mythbo: | Done. |
| [09:51:51] | phrozen77^mythbo: | :| |
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| [10:10:42] | phrozen77^mythbo: | hm, the standart tuning-file from linuxtv-tools seems also to be quite correct with the frequencies and stuff, just checked it with the dvb-t homepage here |
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| [10:32:01] | Neeesat25: | I have downloaded around 4000 channels from satellite. Is it possible to make a small group list of the needed ones instead of having all this giant list in menu? |
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| [11:46:40] | phrozen77^mythbo: | funny :| now i've just bought a +45db phillips antenna and it still doesnt find jack :S |
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| [11:58:35] | juski: | time to call an aerial installer guy in I think :) |
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| [12:40:17] | FunkyELF: | hey guys, I'm getting a high def TV delivered tomorrow. I'm wondering the best way to hook my PC up to it. I bought a DVI to HDMI cable....My question: if there is overscan, is there some setting in X to still send a 1920x1080p signal but have a desktop of less than that? |
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| [12:44:55] | caitlin: | hey hey boys and germs |
| [12:45:59] | caitlin: | i've got mythtv 0.20 working on ubuntu edgy eft, which is lovely... but my remote works PERFECTLY, apart from the numbers 0–9... they worked fine before, however i'm slightly at a loss for where to start looking for the problem |
| [12:46:11] | caitlin: | has anyone seen this on a hauppage doohicky? |
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| [12:55:08] | jbewley: | can't compile myth with the lastest qt-4.2.2 |
| [12:55:42] | jbewley: | anyone know if there is an rpm so i can get a DVB system up and running on Mandriva 2007 |
| [12:55:43] | jbewley: | ?? |
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| [12:59:28] | phrozen77_: | hm now i've installed the latest 2.6.19-rc6 mm-sources kernel and still nothing :| |
| [13:00:36] | caitlin: | hmm, when i'm not running irw the remote happily types numbers into a terminal |
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| [13:19:45] | Jazbo: | Hey folks, I'm at a total loss as to how to get my shows onto dvds. I don't have mytharchive and I want to backup my shows before installing a newer version of myth. nuvexport-dvd gives errors. I tried splitting up into mp2 and m2v with avidemux then recombining with mplex; that doesn't work either. What can I do? |
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| [13:38:57] | frink_: | yo yo yo |
| [13:38:59] | frink_: | cool a myth chan.. |
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| [13:49:29] | meshugga: | hey |
| [13:49:40] | meshugga: | how do i configure lirc with inputevent? |
| [13:49:53] | meshugga: | channelup/down and such dont work |
| [13:51:19] | caitlin: | what remote? |
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| [13:52:30] | meshugga: | pinnacle usb pctv |
| [13:53:25] | Neeesat25: | Is anyone using ATI Radeon X300 GPU card for TV out? |
| [13:53:51] | meshugga: | irw gets the events, like KEY_CHANNELUP |
| [13:53:57] | meshugga: | but it doesnt do anything in mythtv |
| [13:54:04] | meshugga: | while the menu button works for mythtv |
| [13:54:17] | meshugga: | so somehow i figure its a mess in the .lircrc |
| [14:08:06] | meshugga: | any ideas? |
| [14:11:37] | caitlin: | i hate remotes :P |
| [14:11:52] | qu0zl: | well have you setup the channelup/down keys in your .lircrc for mythtv? And have you got them producing the correct keys? Eg the ones mythtv will consider channel up/channel down? |
| [14:12:07] | qu0zl: | have a look at how the menu one is setup to see an example as it works |
| [14:14:12] | juski: | why are you even bothering with irxevent when mythtv has lirc functionality built in? |
| [14:14:14] | meshugga: | qu0zl: where is that? |
| [14:14:40] | qu0zl: | you arent using irxevent are you meshugga? |
| [14:14:45] | meshugga: | i copied the pinnacle example config to .mythtv/lircrc |
| [14:14:49] | juski: | mythtv will use ~/.mythtv/lircrc |
| [14:14:50] | meshugga: | qu0zl: nope |
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| [14:14:58] | juski: | so it's lircrc not .lircrc |
| [14:15:03] | qu0zl: | grand, so open that file and have a look at it meshugga |
| [14:15:04] | juski: | important difference |
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| [14:15:09] | meshugga: | qu0zl: i did |
| [14:15:16] | meshugga: | there is something configured, called channel+ |
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| [14:15:28] | juski: | the button names which irw reports have to match up with the button names used in the lircrc file |
| [14:15:30] | meshugga: | but that does not trigger channelup when i press that button |
| [14:15:37] | meshugga: | juski: didnt do either :/ |
| [14:15:44] | meshugga: | but i'll try again |
| [14:15:44] | qu0zl: | "have you got them producing the correct keys? Eg the ones mythtv will consider channel up/channel down?" |
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| [14:16:18] | meshugga: | irw says |
| [14:16:19] | meshugga: | 192 0 KEY_CHANNELUP event5 |
| [14:16:20] | qu0zl: | and is the button name matching the irw name you see when you press channel up/down, like juski said? |
| [14:16:20] | juski: | look in /etc/lircd.conf or /etc/lirc/lircd.conf & find out what the buttons are called |
| [14:17:13] | meshugga: | button = KEY_CHANNELUP ? |
| [14:17:19] | juski: | yup |
| [14:19:10] | meshugga: | doesnt do |
| [14:20:35] | caitlin: | irw doesn't see fuck all for my number buttons :( it gets the rest of the remote, but not 0–9 |
| [14:21:13] | meshugga: | oh man |
| [14:21:16] | meshugga: | i am soooo annoyed |
| [14:21:45] | meshugga: | hm, what works is the menubutton |
| [14:21:48] | meshugga: | and the numbers |
| [14:21:56] | meshugga: | which do not come with codes but with only the numbers |
| [14:21:58] | meshugga: | and "m" |
| [14:22:00] | meshugga: | interesting |
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| [14:23:13] | meshugga: | so that actually doesnt work with lirc but with the keyboard inputs |
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| [14:27:03] | jbewley: | has anyone got Myth working on Mandriva 2007 ??? |
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| [14:30:06] | meshugga: | caitlin: do i need to configure or something the lirc device for mythtv? |
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| [14:32:12] | caitlin: | if you can see your codes using irw |
| [14:32:36] | caitlin: | then try using this as a rough guide: http://parker1.co.uk/mythtv_ubuntu2.php |
| [14:32:41] | caitlin: | it's not for your remote |
| [14:32:46] | caitlin: | but i think you're most of the way there |
| [14:33:58] | juski: | mandriva != linux :-P |
| [14:34:16] | caitlin: | oh |
| [14:34:27] | juski: | well it is, but it's not 'real' linux ;) |
| [14:34:38] | juski: | linux for windows users |
| [14:34:46] | Neeesat25: | I have 4000 dvb channels and I would like to create a list with a small selection of those channels. Is this possible to be done from remote control? |
| [14:35:02] | juski: | Neeesat25: delete the ones you don't want – easy |
| [14:35:20] | jbewley: | what distro would you recommend? |
| [14:35:36] | ** frink_ just installed a seperate frontend/backend Myth system – bloody impressed. Nothing I have seen commercially comes close. ** | |
| [14:35:42] | frink_: | jbewley: Fedora |
| [14:36:00] | frink_: | jbewley: because yum install myththingyies works and it's all installed and working.. |
| [14:36:04] | ** frink_ did it last night ** | |
| [14:36:11] | Neeesat25: | I cant make a preferable menu selection and If I want later to add some more channels from the full list? |
| [14:36:15] | frink_: | complete mythtv system working in one evening. |
| [14:36:27] | frink_: | Neeesat25: Isnt there a favourites list somewhere? |
| [14:36:51] | ** seth|laptop puts in a plug for knoppmyth, completely working in 16 minutes or less! ** | |
| [14:37:14] | Neeesat25: | is there? |
| [14:37:41] | meshugga: | LircClient warning: attempt to convert 'Key Up CurrentWindow' to a key sequence failed. Fix your key mappings. |
| [14:37:46] | meshugga: | slowly |
| [14:37:48] | caitlin: | ubuntu |
| [14:37:50] | meshugga: | verrry slowly |
| [14:41:16] | Neeesat25: | Is there a function like favourites for channels? or an additional plugin or something? |
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| [14:50:07] | Hoxzer: | is there anyway to make mythvideo to follow symlinks? |
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| [15:02:02] | GreyFoxx: | Hoxzer: It already does for me |
| [15:02:12] | GreyFoxx: | At least symlinks to directories |
| [15:02:22] | GreyFoxx: | I haven't tried symlinking directly to files with it |
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| [15:03:55] | meshugga: | mythtv + video + subtitle = possible? |
| [15:04:02] | meshugga: | and if, how? |
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| [15:06:05] | GreyFoxx: | As in Avi/xvids with external subtitles ? |
| [15:06:14] | GreyFoxx: | Or do you mean from recordings or DVD's ? |
| [15:06:34] | meshugga: | first one |
| [15:06:53] | GreyFoxx: | the first one I've never tried, the second I know works |
| [15:07:41] | meshugga: | i think i need another remote, too |
| [15:07:44] | meshugga: | damn |
| [15:07:52] | meshugga: | anyway, thanks for your help regarding the ir |
| [15:07:52] | GreyFoxx: | I thought that just having the subtitles in the same directory as the video with the same name but with a .sub extension would work |
| [15:08:02] | GreyFoxx: | but I've never tried myself as I don't have any with sub's |
| [15:08:27] | meshugga: | i think i will use vlc |
| [15:08:34] | meshugga: | for that |
| [15:08:42] | meshugga: | with a little extra work for the remote control :) |
| [15:08:47] | GreyFoxx: | heh |
| [15:16:44] | ** juski pulls the plugs out of seth|laptop's box ** | |
| [15:17:03] | juski: | completely worky in 16 mins... only takes 5 mins to boot up :) |
| [15:18:51] | frink_: | tomorrow I shall make mythweb work.. |
| [15:19:02] | frink_: | and add another DVB tuner |
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| [15:21:45] | juski: | can't wait to go home & play burnout revenge some more |
| [15:22:36] | seth|laptop: | juski: hehe, well you got me there, but I usually never have to reboot it |
| [15:24:45] | caitlin: | oops, my disk wont fsck |
| [15:24:48] | caitlin: | that's "bad" |
| [15:24:58] | frink_: | gah my OSX front end does not work... |
| [15:25:03] | ** frink_ goes to get drunk instead ** | |
| [15:26:20] | seth|laptop: | quick question, would a sata 1 cable be compatible with a sata 2 drive |
| [15:26:24] | seth|laptop: | ?? |
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| [15:32:35] | fysa: | yes, seth |
| [15:33:33] | seth|laptop: | 2nd question, would I need to revert to 150MB/s if with my current rig, the drive works for 2 hours, and then starts spewing i/o error messages |
| [15:33:47] | seth|laptop: | brand new drive |
| [15:34:27] | seth|laptop: | mobo is compatible with sata2, has the option to enable sata1, linux only sees the drive when I enable sata1 |
| [15:35:07] | seth|laptop: | solution jumper the new drive to revert to 150MB/s to avoid i/o connectivity, and slow to respond messages? |
| [15:39:54] | sandeen: | hmm any suggestions for dvd playback where audio & videio are well out of sync... |
| [15:39:58] | ** sandeen guesses this might be a faq ** | |
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| [15:53:37] | frink_: | sandeen: high cpu utilisation? |
| [15:59:16] | sandeen: | frink_, not too bad, < 70% for xort+mythfrontend |
| [15:59:20] | sandeen: | though that's more than I would expect |
| [15:59:41] | sandeen: | hd playback has plagued me from the beginning, everything takes more cpu than I expect it should |
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| [16:07:29] | sandeen: | I seem to have nondeterministic performance problems, i'll get bad choppy video & audio, then restart things, and it's ok again :( |
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| [16:08:08] | Daviey: | Hi, does anybody here use a widescreen graphics card? |
| [16:09:27] | sandeen: | I don't think there's any such thing... |
| [16:09:32] | mkrufky: | Daviey: you dont need a special graphics card to do widescreen |
| [16:09:48] | sandeen: | graphics cards can be told to display whatever geometry you'd like, within the limits of the carfd |
| [16:10:04] | mkrufky: | (and within the limits of the screen, itself) |
| [16:10:38] | mkrufky: | if anything, you might need to google a bit for the proper "modeline" parameters to put in xorg.conf |
| [16:11:09] | Daviey: | hmm... I have a 1:1 pixel match (i believe)... but my desktop is scretched to fill the screen and 16:9 video (within myth) needs to be set to 4:3 to be normal |
| [16:11:50] | Daviey: | ie 16:9 video to be shown as widescreen is set to 4:3 within myth |
| [16:12:38] | sandeen: | i don't yet have a widescreen display set up so I don't have any experiernce with getting it set up right :) |
| [16:13:18] | mkrufky: | you have to set up xorg to properly use the entire screen |
| [16:13:25] | mkrufky: | ie: without stretching it to fill the screen |
| [16:13:28] | ** kslater hopes to have widescreen goodness when he get's his EPIA DVI-02 daughterboard ** | |
| [16:14:37] | ** kslater apparently doesn't know what the purpose of an apostrophe is ** | |
| [16:14:46] | mkrufky: | a typical hdtv, for example, you would normally set xorg to use it as 1280x720 ... (or 1366x720, depending on the screen) |
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| [16:15:00] | adde: | where is mythtv log file located? |
| [16:15:14] | mkrufky: | /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log ? |
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| [16:15:38] | adde: | ty |
| [16:15:42] | mkrufky: | np |
| [16:16:29] | fysa: | juski, how is Burnout? |
| [16:17:20] | adde: | if myuthbackend is not running is the MySQL database still running? |
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| [16:17:44] | sandeen: | adde, it runs indep. of mythbackend |
| [16:17:44] | fysa: | they're independent. |
| [16:18:00] | sandeen: | there is probably an initscript for mysql[d] on your distro |
| [16:18:43] | adde: | whats the login to the database anyone know standard? |
| [16:19:25] | sandeen: | adde, that's something you configure when you set up the database... |
| [16:19:44] | stuarta: | or your disto's scripts magically do it for you |
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| [16:19:56] | adde: | hmm running knoppmyth |
| [16:20:07] | adde: | so it probably did it for me :S |
| [16:21:53] | sandeen: | try mythtv/mythtv |
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| [16:27:19] | kslater: | adde or just be root and do mysql mythconverg |
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| [17:04:04] | Weezey: | does the myth database hang on to old guide data forever? Is there a good way to get rid of that so that my rescheduling will go faster? |
| [17:04:22] | juski: | fysa: Burnout is addictive as hell :) |
| [17:04:30] | juski: | evening stuarta |
| [17:04:50] | GreyFoxx: | Weezey: Mythfilldatabase clears out old guide data |
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| [17:05:01] | Weezey: | damn. |
| [17:05:15] | stuarta: | evening juski |
| [17:05:19] | GreyFoxx: | Weezey: Why ? |
| [17:05:26] | Weezey: | my master backend is so slow |
| [17:05:34] | fysa: | juski: For 360? |
| [17:05:46] | stuarta: | GreyFoxx: the backend now does too :) |
| [17:05:47] | juski: | fysa: nah. I'm no chump |
| [17:05:55] | GreyFoxx: | stuarta: Oh? Cool |
| [17:05:59] | fysa: | haha |
| [17:06:01] | fysa: | then? |
| [17:06:02] | juski: | why would I buy an xbox360? you can't run any open source goodness on it |
| [17:06:06] | GreyFoxx: | actually I think I did see a commit about that fopr those not using m,ythfilldb |
| [17:06:10] | stuarta: | GreyFoxx: went in in the last few days |
| [17:06:14] | fysa: | PS3? |
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| [17:06:18] | juski: | xbox |
| [17:06:23] | fysa: | wait. |
| [17:06:27] | juski: | you can't do much with a ps3 either |
| [17:06:36] | fysa: | did Revenge just come out? |
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| [17:06:40] | fysa: | maybe that's the one I have. :P |
| [17:06:43] | juski: | aye |
| [17:06:58] | juski: | I especially love the 'traffic attack' levels |
| [17:07:28] | scillz: | hi ... i wanted to ask if anyone would care to share their opinion on the best tv capture card out there (best in terms of installation and ease of configuration with a remote control) |
| [17:07:35] | juski: | bash your way through traffic... oh man I need a map editor to put the M60's junction 1 & 2 on there – the bit that always slows down to 10mph |
| [17:07:42] | fysa: | yeah. I have a couple for XBox.. |
| [17:07:57] | fysa: | not sure which one it is though any more. maybe Takedown.. |
| [17:08:34] | fysa: | was hoping you'd have gotten it for 360 or PS3 so I could ask how it was in HD. ;) |
| [17:08:41] | juski: | pfft. HD |
| [17:08:53] | ** juski doesn't yet believe in HD ** | |
| [17:08:58] | fysa: | How big is your TV? :P |
| [17:09:01] | juski: | 32" |
| [17:09:04] | fysa: | That's why.. :P |
| [17:09:18] | juski: | our lounge isn't big enough for a 42" screen anyway |
| [17:09:26] | seth|laptop: | anyone here familair with how mythrename.pl works, or mythpretty if you are so inclined? |
| [17:09:32] | juski: | the sofa would be in the wrong half of the room |
| [17:09:38] | juski: | mythrename.pl --help |
| [17:09:40] | fysa: | At normal viewing distance, my calibrated 36" CRT looks better than most 32" HDs I've seen. |
| [17:09:57] | fysa: | (non-HD CRT, that is) |
| [17:10:05] | juski: | once there's FTA HDTV in the UK proper, I might buy into it |
| [17:10:16] | fysa: | but boy does 640x480 look bad on my projector ;) |
| [17:10:27] | juski: | until then, Murdoch can shove his $ky up his rich arse |
| [17:10:51] | fysa: | indeed. |
| [17:11:13] | juski: | even then I might end up cutting my nose off to spite my face.. TV isn't all that & I reckon I could live without it |
| [17:11:52] | fysa: | especially if you have Burnout. ;) |
| [17:12:27] | juski: | now if I'd actually been shown something impressive in HD instead of blocky shite, then yeah maybe I'd be a convert |
| [17:13:01] | juski: | at first I was like "oooo.. NICE!". then the picture started moving & looked full of macroblockyness |
| [17:13:12] | juski: | so er.. no. |
| [17:14:01] | fysa: | wow, that was from Sky? |
| [17:14:09] | juski: | Discovery HD actually |
| [17:14:55] | juski: | however, I saw a shop window demo of what must've been D-VHS or something, and that _was_ impressive |
| [17:15:03] | fysa: | I've had pretty good experience with Discovery HD via cable here.. |
| [17:15:24] | fysa: | It depends quite a bit on the actual show you're watching with HD. |
| [17:15:37] | juski: | yeah and the way it's optimised (or not) |
| [17:15:47] | juski: | like SDTV |
| [17:16:23] | juski: | some digital SDTV looks fantastic.. other stuff not so good |
| [17:16:51] | fysa: | right. I've seen 1280x1024 streams that are 19mbs, 1920x1080 streams that are 12mbs, and everywhere in between. The real problem is that the bandwidth-per-channel they've allotted is a bit low. |
| [17:17:15] | juski: | I find that stuff shown on normal BBC channels doesn't look anything like as good as the same thing shown on BBC3, similar bitrates so it must be to do with the transmission chain and optimisation |
| [17:17:26] | fysa: | 19mbit is OK for 1280x720, but not so hot for 1920x1080. Most shows will go with the 1080i and cram too much into too little bitrate, giving you those macroblocks. |
| [17:17:37] | ** seth|laptop is still trying to figure out how to link his Firefly episodes from /myth/video /myth/pretty, so they can be viewed form the recorded tv menu ** | |
| [17:17:45] | juski: | the BBC test transmissions are about 18mbits h.264 |
| [17:17:54] | fysa: | If BBC tries to go H264, that will fix everything.. |
| [17:18:08] | juski: | seth|laptop: I don't think it works that way. see the wikiwikiwah |
| [17:18:08] | fysa: | Once they figure out the art of encoding, anyway. |
| [17:18:29] | BULLE: | around here, the few hd channels avaialable, are all mpeg4h264 |
| [17:18:38] | juski: | if I had anything that'd play it I'd have a try |
| [17:18:47] | BULLE: | hmm, a slash gone missing somewhere |
| [17:18:47] | caitlin: | any of you lot any good with fsck? |
| [17:19:11] | juski: | caitlin: IME if you need to manually fsck you're in big trouble |
| [17:19:22] | caitlin: | yars |
| [17:19:23] | caitlin: | i am :( |
| [17:19:26] | caitlin: | whoopsie |
| [17:19:27] | fysa: | which fs? |
| [17:19:58] | BULLE: | caitlin: time to unmount the hd, remount it as read only, dump the partitions as they are, for backup purposes, and then go from there imho |
| [17:20:08] | caitlin: | i cant mount any of them |
| [17:20:11] | fysa: | which filesystem? |
| [17:20:28] | fysa: | http://www.grml.org/ |
| [17:20:38] | seth|laptop: | the only time I manually fsck anything is when I import a disk group into veritas, and that is with solaris, otherwise, I don't think I've ever run it. |
| [17:20:46] | fysa: | grml-small is a decent mini live (console-only) system for fixing things. |
| [17:21:11] | caitlin: | i've never needed to fsck anything before |
| [17:21:13] | fysa: | I suggest you boot into something like that and run SMART against your drive. |
| [17:21:22] | fysa: | Or boot with your drive tools and run diagnostics.. |
| [17:21:22] | caitlin: | i'm on an ubuntu live cd atm |
| [17:21:42] | BULLE: | fysa: backup first, diagnostics and tools later |
| [17:22:13] | fysa: | You think a quick smartctl -a would hurt? |
| [17:22:18] | fysa: | I suppose you never know. |
| [17:22:40] | fysa: | I usually check the SMART values and if the drive is screwed, I'd suggest backing up with dd.. |
| [17:22:54] | caitlin: | i've got a fucked superblock |
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| [17:22:58] | seth|laptop: | any opinions on my ealier post regarding my sata issues? |
| [17:23:25] | juski: | seth|laptop: just try it. cables are cables are cables, mostly |
| [17:23:53] | fysa: | caitlin.. |
| [17:23:55] | fysa: | which filesystem? |
| [17:24:54] | seth|laptop: | well, I did some research, and the cables aren't currently any different, just different types, shielded, etc. I am thinkiing, since I have to set the bios to "Enable" sata1 for linux to see the drive, that I might also have to drop back to 150mb/s to "revert" to sata1 mode on the new drive |
| [17:25:16] | seth|laptop: | I will try it. Its just a jumper after all, and the drive is not currently being used for anything |
| [17:25:42] | seth|laptop: | but it mounts |
| [17:25:43] | BULLE: | seth|laptop: i doubt you will see a big speed diff with sata 1 in comparison to sata 2 |
| [17:25:47] | caitlin: | /dev/hda1 |
| [17:25:48] | juski: | seth|laptop: it's not gonna make any difference |
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| [17:26:10] | fysa: | caitlin, I suggest you get help from someone local if you want to recover your data. |
| [17:26:15] | juski: | the HDD can't pull data off any faster than about 70MB/sec if you're lucky anyway |
| [17:26:19] | seth|laptop: | even if the interface is set to a slower speed, that wouldn't help i/o failure? |
| [17:26:25] | Neeesat25: | Juski are you using MythArchive? |
| [17:26:30] | caitlin: | it's just a pita, i wanna watch tv :p |
| [17:26:33] | fysa: | It sounds like you're very new to this and it's likely not something you want to experiment with the first time around. |
| [17:26:49] | juski: | why the hell do people always ask ME? I'm not the bloody mythtv sage ya know ;) |
| [17:26:53] | seth|laptop: | mmm pita. almost lunch time |
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| [17:27:06] | BULLE: | juski: you should perhaps stop wearing that funny hat =) |
| [17:27:08] | seth|laptop: | juski = mythtv guru |
| [17:27:20] | juski: | no. I'm not using mytharchive. 1. it takes too long. 2. too many dvb-t recordings make it poo its pants |
| [17:28:25] | juski: | and 3. I need to re-arrange my partitions so there's a big enough temp dir :) |
| [17:28:42] | Neeesat25: | what do you recoment? for converting videos to dvd's |
| [17:28:54] | juski: | oh and finally.. I have no blank DVDs at the moment :-P |
| [17:29:00] | BULLE: | Neeesat25: to record in dvd compatible mpeg2 to begin with |
| [17:29:04] | juski: | dvd's what? |
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| [17:29:23] | ** seth|laptop should send some blank dvd's to juski, just gopt 150 free ** | |
| [17:29:26] | xris: | BULLE: I don't know anything that does that. |
| [17:29:30] | askjuski: | <- |
| [17:29:52] | juski: | !trout askjuski stop_being_annoying |
| [17:29:52] | ** MythLogBot slaps askjuski with a stop_being_annoying trout on behalf of juski... ** | |
| [17:29:55] | BULLE: | xris: sadly, i dont know anything in linux that does that, indeed |
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| [17:30:00] | fysa: | :P |
| [17:30:20] | fysa: | That cost me a nickserv identify. :P |
| [17:30:29] | juski: | pvr card mpeg2 files & dvb recordings are as close as you'll get to dvd compliant mpeg2 |
| [17:30:50] | xris: | BULLE: windows cards do? It was my understanding that all cards had the same filings that the pvr-x50 cards do — occasional blank frame in the broadcast will screw up the AV sync for playback on most standalone players. |
| [17:30:54] | juski: | Neeesat25: clue up on nuvexport, but then that doesn't have as nice an UI as mytharchive |
| [17:31:07] | xris: | juski: only because no one has written one |
| [17:31:27] | juski: | heheh I know that.. it's still nice though :) |
| [17:31:40] | juski: | it's just not LIRC-native is all ;) |
| [17:31:49] | Neeesat25: | what is nuvexport? |
| [17:31:51] | BULLE: | xris: i have only used win software, that did it pretty ok, win dvd something |
| [17:31:55] | Neeesat25: | a manual tool? |
| [17:32:03] | BULLE: | Neeesat25: yes |
| [17:32:09] | xris: | just committed a mythvideo-friendly addition last night... will export .txt file with meta data that mythvideo will grab to pull descriptive info in. |
| [17:32:39] | juski: | anyway besides everything else, is _any_ TV actually _worth_ keeping after you've watched it? ;) |
| [17:32:44] | Neeesat25: | I will try mytharchive. Do I have to compile the depentencies from source? |
| [17:33:03] | juski: | Neeesat25: it's a nice set of scripts. no compiling needed |
| [17:33:07] | ** BULLE looks at his fileserver ** | |
| [17:33:09] | BULLE: | juski: yes! |
| [17:33:26] | juski: | .. unless you're on ubuntu in which case you'll need to build ffmpeg so it's not crippled anymore |
| [17:34:12] | Neeesat25: | I use debian can I install trancode or ffmpeg with just apt-get install? |
| [17:34:46] | Neeesat25: | or it needs some special configuration from source? |
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| [17:36:18] | xris: | Neeesat25: *if* there is a good ffmpeg for debian, it'll be in multiverse or another non-free type repo |
| [17:36:27] | juski: | multimedia ;) |
| [17:37:07] | xris: | juski: iron chef and good eats are worth keeping. :) |
| [17:37:44] | juski: | woo I just won a 3GB mp3 player for £15.00 :) |
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| [17:38:00] | juski: | time to celebrate by trashing some cars |
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| [17:49:12] | clotterm: | hi!+ |
| [17:49:25] | clotterm: | i want to start with mythtv and thus need a tv-card (for cable television) |
| [17:49:33] | clotterm: | can u recommend a model? |
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| [17:49:42] | clotterm: | just looked around a bit and found the pvr150 and pvr-350 |
| [17:49:55] | xris: | clotterm: analog cable, right? |
| [17:50:03] | clotterm: | yeah, correct |
| [17:50:12] | xris: | pvr-150 is your best choice |
| [17:50:31] | xris: | 350 is WAY overpriced, and not as good as a 150 with an inexpensive nvidia card |
| [17:50:50] | clotterm: | got an ati card |
| [17:50:52] | Weezey: | why does rescheduling take so damn long? 30 seconds is too long to wait to be able to delete the next file. |
| [17:51:12] | xris: | Weezey: it's a really complex/messed up query. |
| [17:51:15] | xris: | use mythweb to delete |
| [17:51:21] | Weezey: | I am. |
| [17:51:31] | clotterm: | generell question: can i burn dvds from captured tv-programs? |
| [17:51:33] | xris: | clotterm: you plan on displaying on a tv? |
| [17:51:38] | xris: | clotterm: yes. |
| [17:51:40] | Weezey: | I have to go just as slow though because if I try to move faster it crashes the backend. |
| [17:51:46] | clotterm: | no, normal tft |
| [17:51:56] | Weezey: | woo, that time it took 58 seconds. |
| [17:51:58] | GreyFoxx: | I wouldn't expect deleting a recording to cause reshceduling |
| [17:51:58] | clotterm: | tv-out doesn't work with my ati-card |
| [17:52:07] | xris: | clotterm: your life will be made much easier if you pick up a $40 nvidia card to replace the ati |
| [17:52:12] | xris: | oh, normal tft. |
| [17:52:24] | GreyFoxx: | Unless you are deleting a recording schedule entry and not a file |
| [17:52:25] | xris: | then your ati card should be fine. |
| [17:52:32] | Weezey: | can I make it not reschedule every time I delete a single file and do one big reschedule once I'm done? |
| [17:52:46] | xris: | Weezey: what GreyFoxx said |
| [17:52:54] | clotterm: | ok |
| [17:53:01] | clotterm: | tft is bigger than the tv :) |
| [17:53:02] | GreyFoxx: | Weezey: Are you actually deleting schedule items or recordings? Deleting a reecording shouldn't trigger a reschedule |
| [17:53:20] | GreyFoxx: | unless you are using "allow rerecord" or which might cause one |
| [17:53:23] | xris: | clotterm: analog cable is going to look like crap. :) |
| [17:53:30] | clotterm: | noooooooo |
| [17:53:32] | Weezey: | GreyFoxx: If you tail -f /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log and you delete a recording in mythweb (without the re-record) |
| [17:53:41] | Weezey: | it will delete, then show you the reschedule. |
| [17:54:00] | clotterm: | digital cable is way to expensive in germany |
| [17:54:08] | xris: | clotterm: no dvb-t? |
| [17:54:17] | mkrufky: | clotterm: dont they have dvb-t in germany? |
| [17:54:20] | xris: | clotterm: btw, there's also a #mythtv-de |
| [17:54:26] | mkrufky: | (they certainly do) |
| [17:54:26] | clotterm: | yeah, we do have it |
| [17:54:34] | clotterm: | but just a few cahnnels in my region |
| [17:54:41] | mkrufky: | so, screw analog mpeg encoders --- buy a dvb-t card instead |
| [17:54:43] | mkrufky: | oh :-( |
| [17:54:52] | clotterm: | i'm living near francr, maybe that's wy ;) |
| [17:55:08] | GreyFoxx: | Weezey: Ok, I have never checked the backends output when deleting via mythweb |
| [17:55:11] | mkrufky: | analog never looks good on a nice tv |
| [17:55:17] | GreyFoxx: | I do it it though |
| [17:55:25] | GreyFoxx: | do see it |
| [17:55:31] | mkrufky: | if you're going to record analog tv, better off using an old crappy tv to watch it |
| [17:55:46] | GreyFoxx: | rescheduling only takes 1 second on my machine however |
| [17:55:48] | mkrufky: | but anyway, it will still work on a nice tv, just not as nice as DVB |
| [17:56:13] | GreyFoxx: | xris: Does mythweb just call the backend to delete the recording or is it triggering a reschedule ? |
| [17:56:20] | clotterm: | mhmm, ok, then i must check whether it'S possible to use dvb-t here |
| [17:56:45] | xris: | GreyFoxx: just tells the backend to delete |
| [17:57:10] | GreyFoxx: | Ok |
| [17:57:10] | clotterm: | ok, i just get 3–4 cahnnels here, no private tv |
| [17:57:17] | clotterm: | that su* |
| [17:58:36] | GreyFoxx: | Ok, it happens when a frontend does it as well |
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| [17:59:44] | xris: | GreyFoxx: bug? |
| [17:59:51] | Beirdo: | damn this puppy likes to chomp |
| [17:59:52] | GreyFoxx: | I'm wondering that yeah |
| [18:00:07] | janneg: | clotterm: I think you should get ~10 channels even without the private stations |
| [18:00:24] | xris: | Beirdo: woah, you're alive! ;) |
| [18:00:33] | Beirdo: | yeah, no thanks to this puppy |
| [18:00:38] | Beirdo: | she's tenderizing my hands |
| [18:00:52] | Beirdo: | she thinks "NO!" means bite again |
| [18:00:57] | Beirdo: | crazy girl |
| [18:01:00] | clotterm: | yeah, i could receive 11, but not those i like to receive :-/ |
| [18:01:05] | xris: | Beirdo: squirt bottle |
| [18:01:13] | Beirdo: | hmmm, that's an idea |
| [18:01:32] | Beirdo: | it's a black lab mix |
| [18:01:46] | Beirdo: | the mother was a black lab, the father a horny neighborhood dog |
| [18:02:09] | Beirdo: | the puppy pretty much looks like a lab |
| [18:02:16] | janneg: | clotterm: are you from baden-wuertemberg? |
| [18:02:30] | clotterm: | no, rheinland-palatinate |
| [18:02:34] | clotterm: | kaiserslautern |
| [18:02:38] | clotterm: | :-/ |
| [18:02:51] | clotterm: | moved to here 'cause of the uni |
| [18:03:07] | clotterm: | wahh |
| [18:03:08] | clotterm: | :-D |
| [18:04:44] | janneg: | ok, so you live outside of the only region of germany with a sane cable provider :( |
| [18:05:04] | clotterm: | yeah, maybe |
| [18:05:56] | janneg: | KabelBW doesn't encrypt the private stations in their net |
| [18:06:27] | clotterm: | yeah, another reason why i love the south-west :) |
| [18:07:12] | clotterm: | ok, then i must live with analoge cable... |
| [18:07:24] | clotterm: | is it possible to burn dvds out of mythtv? |
| [18:12:46] | mishehu: | hmm... I hope that the devs are working on making it so that you don't need to call up any external media players to play files... with 0.20, it can play mpeg2 files "natively" but xvid it still seems to need to call up xine or something else to play. |
| [18:13:08] | xris: | mishehu: odd, avi works fine for me. |
| [18:13:27] | xris: | still have issues with h.264, but no one seems to be able to help me debug what options are missing. |
| [18:13:30] | mishehu: | xris: xvid encoded avis specifically? |
| [18:13:40] | xris: | mishehu: yup. from nuvexport |
| [18:13:45] | mishehu: | hmm. |
| [18:14:01] | mishehu: | xris: is there a weird setting I keep overlook then perhaps? |
| [18:14:07] | xris: | no clue |
| [18:14:36] | mishehu: | it's a problem only because I can't seem to get my lirc remote to work with both mythtv and xine at the same time. |
| [18:15:06] | xris: | mishehu: that's also odd |
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| [18:20:42] | mishehu: | xris: well that is likely me being stupid, but why put out the effort if mythtv can do it all? ;-) |
| [18:21:18] | xris: | mishehu: that's true |
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| [18:22:30] | clotterm: | hi again! |
| [18:22:30] | clotterm: | found another interesting tv-card model |
| [18:22:38] | clotterm: | does the HVR-1300 work with mythtv? |
| [18:23:28] | xris: | clotterm: generally speaking, if it works with linux, it'll work withmythtv. what kind of card is it? |
| [18:23:51] | clotterm: | combined dvb-t and analoge card :) |
| [18:24:03] | iter: | is there a atsc/qam hd card that will also do analog cable or analog video in? |
| [18:24:13] | xris: | iter: pchdtv should |
| [18:24:24] | xris: | clotterm: you'd have to see if the analog side is supported by v4l |
| [18:24:38] | xris: | but analog encoding in software is subpar compared to the mpeg encoders. |
| [18:24:56] | iter: | ok so a box with a hauppagge 150 and a pchdtv 5500 should be ok? |
| [18:25:06] | iter: | oh also pchdtv is onboard mpeg2 encoding right |
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| [18:26:05] | mkrufky: | clotterm: hvr1300 is supported, yes .... full support is included in linux kernel 2.6.20, not yet released |
| [18:26:06] | fysa: | HDTV doesn't need MPEG2 encoding. The source is an MPEG2 stream already. |
| [18:26:20] | clotterm: | ok, sounds good :) |
| [18:26:21] | mkrufky: | iter: no |
| [18:26:38] | mkrufky: | iter: pchdtv3000 and pchdtv5500 are HDTV tuner cards |
| [18:26:41] | clotterm: | mkrufky: wenn will that kernel be released? |
| [18:27:24] | mkrufky: | clotterm: the development for that has just begin... but you dont need that kernel to use it fully — you can use any kernel > 2.6.12 plus the v4l-dvb drivers on linuxtv.org for full support |
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| [18:27:56] | clotterm: | mkrufky: but i can still use the analoge cable feature of the card?! |
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| [18:28:08] | mkrufky: | clotterm: im just saying that those drivers arent "officially" released until 2.6.20 comes out, and that will probably be two or three months from now |
| [18:28:18] | clotterm: | ok |
| [18:28:26] | mkrufky: | clotterm: you can use all features of the card, if you install the v4l-dvb drivers from linuxtv.org |
| [18:29:02] | clotterm: | mkrufky: thanks! sorry for the stupid questions, bloody newbe |
| [18:29:12] | mkrufky: | iter: sorry, i didnt read everything before i said 'no' .... pchdtv 5500 + pvr150 will be more than enough |
| [18:29:50] | mkrufky: | clotterm: not a stupid question at all... many people dont even know about the hvr1300 ... it is the first supported card with both analog mpeg encoding AND hdtv reception |
| [18:30:29] | clotterm: | that's why it sounds good to me |
| [18:30:41] | clotterm: | not that much more expensive than the pvr-150 |
| [18:31:03] | mkrufky: | yeah... much better product for the money |
| [18:31:46] | clotterm: | oh doesn't have a remote :-/ |
| [18:31:51] | mkrufky: | in 2.6.19, which was released exactly 1 week ago, the hvr1300 is supported in DVB-T and raw analog video modes |
| [18:32:20] | mkrufky: | dont pick your card based on the remote |
| [18:32:23] | clotterm: | still have 2.6.17 |
| [18:32:27] | clotterm: | :-D |
| [18:32:31] | mkrufky: | i bet you're running ubuntu |
| [18:32:35] | clotterm: | yeah :) |
| [18:32:38] | mkrufky: | edgy |
| [18:32:40] | clotterm: | used to run debian |
| [18:32:58] | clotterm: | but then i installes dapper drake on my laptop |
| [18:32:58] | mkrufky: | v4l-dvb installs very easily in ubuntu — you have nothing to worry about |
| [18:33:08] | mkrufky: | hang a sec, i think there is a version of hvr1300 that includes remote |
| [18:33:10] | mkrufky: | brb |
| [18:33:14] | clotterm: | ok |
| [18:33:27] | seth|laptop: | gentoo already has a wiki on the hvr1300 http://gentoo-wiki.com/HARDWARE_Hauppage_HVR_1300 |
| [18:34:05] | mkrufky: | yes, there is an HVR1300 with remote |
| [18:34:24] | mkrufky: | the support for the remote on the hvr1300 is already present in the driver |
| [18:34:32] | clotterm: | mhmm |
| [18:34:39] | clotterm: | couldn' find it |
| [18:34:45] | mkrufky: | hahaha did you read that page, seth|laptop? |
| [18:34:54] | seth|laptop: | yes |
| [18:34:57] | clotterm: | oh just some have it |
| [18:35:20] | mkrufky: | HARDWARE Hauppage HVR 1300 // There is currently no text in this page, you can search for this page title in other pages or edit this page. |
| [18:35:40] | clotterm: | ok, sorry |
| [18:35:50] | clotterm: | on the product-picture there was no remote |
| [18:36:04] | clotterm: | but in the text it says that there's a remote included |
| [18:36:04] | mkrufky: | anyway, clotterm, the product can be shipped with an optional remote... you just need to make sure that whomever you buy it from gives you that package |
| [18:36:28] | clotterm: | yeah :) |
| [18:36:46] | mkrufky: | i wish they made an ATSC card just like that |
| [18:37:09] | clotterm: | simple question: can i burn dvds out of mythtv from captured tv-programms? |
| [18:37:15] | iter: | mkrufky: me too |
| [18:37:33] | mkrufky: | right now, i am only aware of 1 product on the market that works with ATSC / NTSC that does hardware mpeg encoding / HDTV reception ...... im still working on the driver :-/ |
| [18:37:33] | Anduin: | clotterm: MythArchive |
| [18:37:45] | mkrufky: | iter: it's called the OnAir USB Creator |
| [18:38:04] | mkrufky: | if anybody has one, i'll point you to my driver-work-in-progress |
| [18:38:11] | iter: | well it's not the end of the world if I get a ATSC card |
| [18:38:26] | iter: | I would just love for it to also do regular analog mpeg-2 encoding |
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| [18:39:14] | mkrufky: | iter: there are some pci cards coming out towards the middle of next year that do this sort of thing..... but the linux drivers will not be ready yet at that time — these new products use a totally new pci bridge |
| [18:39:48] | iter: | yeah, I'm actually leaning toward 2xhauppagge 150's and then upgrading later |
| [18:39:51] | ** seth|laptop is seriously contemplating buying an HDHomerun tuner ** | |
| [18:40:00] | mkrufky: | as it is right now, my driver works in HDTV mode for that OnAir Creator, and the pvrusb2 driver works fine for the analog mpeg encoder mode |
| [18:40:08] | mkrufky: | we just have to merge the two drivers into one |
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| [18:41:34] | janneg: | mkrufky: there is no HDTV over DVB-T is in germany :( |
| [18:42:07] | mkrufky: | huh? |
| [18:42:20] | mkrufky: | it's all SDTV ? |
| [18:42:26] | janneg: | yes |
| [18:42:31] | mkrufky: | yuck -- :-( |
| [18:42:45] | mkrufky: | i've become an HDTV snob |
| [18:43:09] | mkrufky: | i refuse to watch TV shows at my friend's houses now .... i make them come to my place for HD :-) |
| [18:43:12] | nomin-: | what is the command to setup the initial mysql database on ubuntu dapper using mysql 4.1 for mythtv 0.18? |
| [18:43:17] | seth|laptop: | I record like 35G a day of hd content |
| [18:43:24] | mkrufky: | hehe me too |
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| [18:44:22] | seth|laptop: | of which I may keep 14G, but I always watch it commflagged, the only way, HD+No commercials= > dish network, or cable |
| [18:44:50] | nomin-: | I'm stuck on this step with ubuntu dapper because I don't know what to type in the console. Anyone know what I would type?: http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-6.html#ss6.2 |
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| [18:45:07] | seth|laptop: | but I only do OTA, so no non-network programs |
| [18:45:12] | mkrufky: | i watched this past sunday's simpsons last night .... commflag misses one of the commercials |
| [18:45:16] | mkrufky: | and i was so glad... |
| [18:45:21] | mkrufky: | i saw the best commercial ever |
| [18:45:28] | mkrufky: | it was a family guy commercial........ |
| [18:45:32] | mkrufky: | "SAVE THE BABY |
| [18:45:36] | mkrufky: | SAVE THE WORLD" |
| [18:45:43] | mkrufky: | (it's only funny if you watch Heroes) |
| [18:45:54] | seth|laptop: | hehe |
| [18:45:59] | seth|laptop: | I remember that |
| [18:46:04] | mkrufky: | sometimes commercials are good |
| [18:46:08] | mkrufky: | this one made my night |
| [18:46:12] | mkrufky: | (what a boring night) |
| [18:46:18] | seth|laptop: | nomin-: where is your /database directopry? |
| [18:47:08] | seth|laptop: | nomin-: also, is it package myth, or did you build from source? |
| [18:47:08] | nomin-: | seth|laptop, I don't know. Where is it usually? |
| [18:47:20] | nomin-: | I'm using packages in synaptic |
| [18:47:32] | seth|laptop: | hrm |
| [18:47:57] | nomin-: | I followed these instructions and I'm stuck at 'mythtv-setup': http://parker1.co.uk/mythtv_dapper.php |
| [18:47:59] | seth|laptop: | do you have a /usr/share/mythtv folder? |
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| [18:48:33] | nomin-: | seth|laptop, yes I have that folder. |
| [18:48:50] | seth|laptop: | ok, cd to /usr/share/mythtv/database |
| [18:48:59] | juski: | is this on ubuntu? |
| [18:49:18] | nomin-: | juski, yes. Dapper. |
| [18:49:29] | juski: | if it is, chances are mythtv-database has been installed already and the mythtv mysql user's password will be something random |
| [18:49:37] | seth|laptop: | then do mysql < /usr/share/mythtv/databse/mc.sql , like the gentoo instructions |
| [18:49:41] | juski: | look in /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt to find out what it is |
| [18:49:42] | nomin-: | I just found mc.sql in /usr/share/mythtv/mc.sql |
| [18:49:48] | seth|laptop: | there |
| [18:50:03] | nomin-: | do I need to type 'sudo' before that? |
| [18:50:10] | seth|laptop: | or what juski said, i figured if it was packaged it should be setup |
| [18:50:23] | seth|laptop: | shouldn't |
| [18:50:26] | juski: | the db will already be set up I bet |
| [18:50:47] | nomin-: | but I ran mythtv-setup and in the terminal there are multiple error messages... |
| [18:50:57] | juski: | but the mysql user the package mythtv-database created will have a password which isn't in ~/.mythtv/mysql.txt |
| [18:51:12] | seth|laptop: | also packaged mysql uses the root password as blank or nothing, type in mysql -u root -p and hit enter, then hit enter again |
| [18:51:15] | nomin-: | "QMYSQL3: Unable to connect" |
| [18:51:19] | seth|laptop: | see if it lets you in |
| [18:51:19] | juski: | nomin: copy /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt to ~/.mythtv/mysql.txt and re-run mythtv-setup |
| [18:51:26] | nomin-: | "Access denied for user 'mythtv'@'localhost' (using password: YES)" |
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| [18:52:25] | nomin-: | juski: yes, there is a password already at the first screen I see in mythtv-setup |
| [18:52:44] | juski: | nomin-: the password has to match that in /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt |
| [18:53:03] | juski: | the mythtv-database installer makes a random password for the mythtv mysql user |
| [18:53:27] | juski: | a sensible default would be 'mythtv' but no, they don't go for that, nor do they tell you what it is |
| [18:53:40] | juski: | nor is it put somewhere mythtv looks for it |
| [18:53:54] | nomin-: | juski: that is the same password I see in the GUI for mythtv-setup |
| [18:53:58] | juski: | ok |
| [18:54:01] | juski: | so it should be good then |
| [18:54:37] | nomin-: | so what am I missing? What did I not do? |
| [18:54:51] | juski: | paste the errors you see into a pastebin & we might be able to tell you |
| [18:55:00] | juski: | saying "a bunch of errors" isn't exactly telling ;) |
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| [18:55:42] | nomin-: | "Access denied for user 'mythtv'@'localhost' (using password: YES)" |
| [18:55:48] | juski: | ok |
| [18:55:58] | nomin-: | "QMYSQL3: Unable to connect" |
| [18:56:04] | juski: | so try this from a console: |
| [18:56:07] | juski: | mysql -u root |
| [18:56:28] | juski: | does it let you in? |
| [18:56:52] | nomin-: | yes |
| [18:57:12] | juski: | good |
| [18:57:21] | juski: | so now exit that |
| [18:57:26] | iter: | quit |
| [18:57:26] | juski: | the 'exit' command :) |
| [18:57:46] | juski: | then try mysql -u mythtv -p |
| [18:58:03] | juski: | and use the password which is in /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt |
| [18:59:30] | nomin-: | "ERROR 1045 (28000): Access denied for user 'mythtv'@'localhost' (using password: YES)" |
| [18:59:40] | juski: | just out of interest, try |
| [18:59:45] | juski: | mysql -u mythtv -p |
| [18:59:54] | juski: | and use the password 'mythtv' (minus the quotes) |
| [19:00:24] | nomin-: | nope, same error. |
| [19:00:35] | juski: | hrm |
| [19:00:47] | juski: | so we don't know what the mythtv mysql user's password is |
| [19:01:13] | juski: | but, you can log into mysql as root still, which means you can change the password for the mythtv user to something you can remember :) |
| [19:01:25] | seth|laptop: | you don't think he would have to do the grant all thing? |
| [19:01:27] | nomin-: | I set up a mysql administrator root password at install |
| [19:02:02] | seth|laptop: | pre>mysql -u root mythconverg mysql> grant all on mythconverg.* to mythtv@"%" identified by "mythtv"; mysql> flush privileges; |
| [19:02:10] | iter: | UPDATE mysql.user SET Password=PASSWORD('mythtv') WHERE User='mythtv'; |
| [19:02:19] | seth|laptop: | or that |
| [19:02:40] | juski: | nomin: so it'd be this: |
| [19:02:51] | juski: | mysql -u root mythconverg mysql> grant all on mythconverg.* to mythtv@"%" identified by "mythtv"; |
| [19:02:58] | juski: | shit |
| [19:03:05] | juski: | mysql -u root mythconverg |
| [19:03:27] | juski: | grant all on mythconverg.* to mythtv@"%" identified by "mythtv"; |
| [19:03:42] | juski: | flush privileges; |
| [19:03:49] | juski: | exit |
| [19:03:57] | seth|laptop: | quit; |
| [19:04:17] | juski: | what that will do is allow all users identified by 'mythtv' from all hosts to use the mythconverg database |
| [19:04:26] | nomin-: | would I just copy that 'grant all' line you put there? |
| [19:04:35] | juski: | yeah |
| [19:05:23] | nomin-: | "ERROR 1049 (42000): Unknown database 'mythconverg'" |
| [19:05:31] | seth|laptop: | eww |
| [19:05:34] | wireddd: | zap2it seems to have removed 60% of my channels from their listings |
| [19:06:00] | seth|laptop: | no initial db |
| [19:06:22] | nomin-: | yeah, that's what I'm thinking. It's not automatically set up. |
| [19:06:24] | juski: | weird |
| [19:06:36] | juski: | mythtv-database is a dependency of mythtv on ubuntu |
| [19:06:48] | seth|laptop: | sudo mysql < /usr/share/mythtv/mc.sql |
| [19:06:49] | nomin-: | mc.sql is in /usr/share/mythtv/mc.sql |
| [19:06:52] | juski: | you're not using synaptic by any chance are you? |
| [19:07:07] | nomin-: | here is the stop on the mythtv.org page: http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-6.html#ss6.2 |
| [19:07:11] | nomin-: | *the step |
| [19:07:17] | nomin-: | but I don't know what to type |
| [19:07:18] | juski: | the newest mythtv in the official ubuntu packages is 0.18 |
| [19:07:27] | seth|laptop: | type – sudo mysql < /usr/share/mythtv/mc.sql |
| [19:07:32] | juski: | nomin-: locate mc.sql |
| [19:07:50] | nomin-: | ok, I'll type what seth|laptop said |
| [19:07:51] | juski: | it might live in /usr/local/share/mythtv/mc.sql |
| [19:08:07] | nomin-: | juski: I just put it's location |
| [19:08:23] | juski: | heh |
| [19:08:25] | juski: | fair nuff |
| [19:09:05] | juski: | all this is soon to be a thing of the past in ubuntu – it'll be handled much more nicely :) |
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| [19:09:14] | nomin-: | err, it's in /usr/share/mythtv/sql/mcsql |
| [19:09:49] | nomin-: | looks like that did something |
| [19:09:50] | juski: | not to worry – at least you know where it is! |
| [19:09:54] | Bakefy: | can anyone help me? I am stuck installing mythtv I am using this guide for ubuntu 6.10 http://www.parker1.co.uk/mythtv_ubuntu.php |
| [19:09:56] | seth|laptop: | sudo mysql < /usr/share/mythtv/sql/mcsql |
| [19:10:29] | juski: | Bakefy: stuck where? |
| [19:10:48] | nomin-: | it still has the same errors |
| [19:10:56] | seth|laptop: | wow |
| [19:11:12] | ** seth|laptop remebers now why he went back to knoppmyth ** | |
| [19:11:23] | juski: | nomin-: you might have to do the 'grant all on mythconverg... ' bit again |
| [19:11:30] | nomin-: | Bakefy, I'm using the same site for advice with dapper right now |
| [19:11:53] | juski: | knoppmyth isn't for everybody.. and it doesn't just 'work out of the box' for everybody either |
| [19:12:06] | juski: | and it's not some kind of magical silver bullet |
| [19:12:10] | Bakefy: | juski, I am trying to grant access rights to the mythtv user |
| [19:12:37] | seth|laptop: | well I was fortunate I suppose |
| [19:12:40] | seth|laptop: | ;-) |
| [19:12:42] | juski: | Bakefy: look in /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt to find out what the mythtv mysql user's password is |
| [19:12:55] | nomin-: | seth|laptop, I set up mythtv successfully already on mandriva 2006. I've seen these errors I'm having now before. |
| [19:13:01] | Bakefy: | the password is blank... I think |
| [19:13:16] | Bakefy: | what is the command to just read? |
| [19:13:55] | nomin-: | seth|laptop, but the mythtv.org instructions give exactly what to type to set up the intitial mysql database for mandriva and not for ubuntu |
| [19:13:56] | juski: | cat /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt |
| [19:14:14] | GreyFoxx: | xris: I tracked it down. MainServer::DoDeleteThread(programs/mythbackend/mainserver.cpp) lines 15442/1543 are forcing a schedule update after any delete that isn't from the liveTV receording group |
| [19:14:17] | juski: | time to eat :) |
| [19:14:42] | Bakefy: | there is no text in the file, juski |
| [19:17:20] | Bakefy: | nomin-, did you test your tv tuner? |
| [19:18:25] | nomin-: | Bakefy, yes. |
| [19:18:31] | seth|laptop: | mythtv@mythcenter:/etc/mythtv$ cat mysql.txt |
| [19:18:32] | seth|laptop: | DBHostName=mythcenter <was localhost> |
| [19:18:32] | seth|laptop: | DBUserName=mythtv |
| [19:18:33] | seth|laptop: | DBName=mythconverg |
| [19:18:33] | seth|laptop: | DBPassword= <your password here> |
| [19:18:33] | nomin-: | my tuner is fine. |
| [19:18:38] | seth|laptop: | thats what mine lloks like |
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| [19:18:58] | seth|laptop: | less the bracketed stuff of courser |
| [19:19:08] | Bakefy: | nomin-, I didnt get mine to work. i am in the US, are you in the UK? |
| [19:19:26] | nomin-: | I'm in the USA also |
| [19:19:39] | nomin-: | Bakefy, I usually test my tuner with kdetv |
| [19:19:47] | Bakefy: | hmmm |
| [19:19:56] | Bakefy: | can I install that in gnome? |
| [19:20:01] | nomin-: | yes. |
| [19:20:08] | Bakefy: | sweet |
| [19:20:10] | Bakefy: | thanks |
| [19:20:10] | nomin-: | but kdetv works funny in ubuntu for me. |
| [19:20:18] | Bakefy: | oh |
| [19:20:22] | nomin-: | I installed several kde apps already |
| [19:20:40] | nomin-: | for some reason, kdetv doesn't save the channels after I exit it in ubuntu. |
| [19:20:54] | Bakefy: | thats too bad |
| [19:21:00] | nomin-: | so every time I open kdetv in ubuntu, it has to scan all the channels all over again |
| [19:21:10] | Bakefy: | have you tried amarok (off topic) |
| [19:21:24] | nomin-: | yes. I thinks it's the best audio app on linux. |
| [19:21:35] | Bakefy: | yes, I agree |
| [19:21:43] | Bakefy: | or maybe osx and winodows? |
| [19:22:08] | nomin-: | every other kde app works just fine for me in gnome on ubuntu |
| [19:22:36] | seth|laptop: | woohoo, I got my script to work for getting the dish network pay per view channel info |
| [19:22:42] | nomin-: | yeah, I'm surprised amarok isn't made for windows |
| [19:22:52] | Bakefy: | TVTime Television is what I am trying |
| [19:23:04] | ** seth|laptop thinks windows wasn't made for windows ** | |
| [19:23:19] | Bakefy: | HAHA |
| [19:23:26] | nomin-: | I think kaffeine can watch tv now. Kaffeine is good for recording streaming audio and video. You just click the red record button. |
| [19:23:42] | Bakefy: | neat |
| [19:23:44] | Bakefy: | neat |
| [19:24:10] | nomin-: | I use the mediaplayerconnectivity plugin for firefox that lets you choose what apps open which type of files off the internet |
| [19:24:25] | nomin-: | I choose kaffeine for .wmv so I can record them |
| [19:24:41] | nomin-: | like pbs frontline episodes |
| [19:24:53] | Bakefy: | This computer I am using might be too old |
| [19:25:23] | Bakefy: | Its not bad but it uses rambus, and im to poor to give it more than 256 |
| [19:25:31] | nomin-: | I think the minimum for watching higher quality videos is 450Mhz proc |
| [19:25:45] | Bakefy: | oh well, its a 1.3 I think |
| [19:25:53] | nomin-: | that's just fine |
| [19:26:05] | nomin-: | you can watch all kinds of videos with that |
| [19:26:23] | nomin-: | acidrip lets you easily rip dvds |
| [19:26:39] | Bakefy: | my tv tuner works! |
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| [19:28:07] | nomin-: | Bakefy, is that with tvtime? |
| [19:28:45] | Bakefy: | yes |
| [19:28:59] | nomin-: | oh yeah, tvtime. I've used that one before. It works pretty well. |
| [19:31:04] | Bakefy: | so my tv tuner works |
| [19:31:51] | nomin-: | wow, tvtime automatically detected all the channels. It didn't need to scan them. |
| [19:33:43] | Bakefy: | nomin-, I can't get my mythtv to connect to mysql |
| [19:34:25] | kormoc: | seth|laptop, so your PPV script for dish, what does it do? |
| [19:34:40] | nomin-: | Bakefy, yeah I'm in the same stop now. I'm trying to run mythtv-setup but I need to set up the intitial mysql database correctly. I'm working on it. |
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| [19:36:59] | seth|laptop: | kormoc: it runs mythfilldatabase, and then uses perl script to grab data form MythPPV.com to populate channels 500 and up. It is in truth not my script, I had to make some changes in the origianl at mythppv.com, to get it to work with my guide |
| [19:37:32] | kormoc: | seth|laptop, ahh, but myth can't order shows or anything, right? |
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| [19:38:24] | seth|laptop: | well it has to be attended, I can purchase an all day ticket, and then schedule myth to record it later on |
| [19:38:39] | seth|laptop: | or I have to sit there, and answer yes, yes, and ok, hehe |
| [19:38:40] | ** kormoc nods ** | |
| [19:39:54] | seth|laptop: | but the data is current http://www.mad-penguin.org/mythtv2/dishppv1.JPG http://www.mad-penguin.org/mythtv2/dishppv2.JPG http://www.mad-penguin.org/mythtv2/dishppv3.JPG |
| [19:40:08] | nomin-: | I'm still getting the same error |
| [19:40:22] | juski: | wouldn't go in there for a while if I were you: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/6213644.stm |
| [19:40:46] | nomin-: | "QMYSQL3: Unable to connect" "Database error was: Access denied for user 'mythtv'@'localhost' (using password: YES)" |
| [19:41:13] | Bakefy: | juski: how do I check my current mythtv mysql password? |
| [19:41:38] | juski: | Bakefy: look in /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt to find out what the mythtv mysql user's password is |
| [19:42:04] | juski: | unless you've changed it, of course |
| [19:42:14] | Bakefy: | juski: I must have done something wrong, I dont think that file is there |
| [19:42:19] | juski: | and that assumes you've installed the mythtv-database package |
| [19:42:44] | juski: | you can easily change the mythtv mysql user's password though |
| [19:44:04] | nomin-: | juski: any idea what I've done wrong? |
| [19:44:09] | Bakefy: | what command can I type to let me read that file? |
| [19:45:00] | nomin-: | Bakey: gedit |
| [19:45:13] | seth|laptop: | cat /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt |
| [19:45:33] | juski: | nomin-: not yet, but it must be something quite simple |
| [19:45:46] | juski: | nomin-: can you log into mysql as the mythtv user now? |
| [19:45:46] | Bakefy: | the file is blank |
| [19:46:11] | seth|laptop: | kormoc: I do have a script, with the gestures, that works to answer the "Buy now" questions. I just don't know how to make a single button on my remote do that |
| [19:46:16] | juski: | Bakefy: so the mythtv-database package didn't get installed, or didn't do its business properly for some reason or other |
| [19:46:32] | nomin-: | juski, yes! I can log in as the mythtv user now. |
| [19:46:37] | nomin-: | now what? |
| [19:46:44] | nomin-: | err, I should scroll up. |
| [19:47:25] | kormoc: | seth|laptop, heh, nifty, I'm getting dish on the 13th, so I'll be playing with it soonish |
| [19:47:49] | Bakefy: | juski, maybe its blank because I dont have permission to read it |
| [19:48:11] | seth|laptop: | well if you would lie to make my script better, let me know, right now its pretty simple, buit after i got the sleep 0.2 and sleep 0.3 lines right, it actually works wells |
| [19:49:14] | seth|laptop: | and currently it only answers yes yes and ok, so once you press it, you bought it ;-) |
| [19:52:14] | nomin-: | juski: what does the command "mysql -u mythtv -p" do? I can now use 'mythtv' as the password but what should I be doing now? |
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| [19:53:15] | juski: | nomin the mysql -u mythtv bit says hey mysql, I wanna log in as the user 'mythtv'. the -p bit means "oh and I want to use a password" |
| [19:53:49] | juski: | now the next step nomin, is to check that the mythtv mysql user can access the mythconverg database. this database is the one mythtv will be using |
| [19:53:54] | juski: | so you'd do |
| [19:54:02] | juski: | mysql -u mythtv -p mythconverg |
| [19:54:06] | juski: | then enter your password |
| [19:54:11] | juski: | and it should let you in |
| [19:54:35] | juski: | if it doesn't, then the access rights for the mythconverg database are not set to allow the mythtv user inside |
| [19:55:11] | nomin-: | yes, I'm in. |
| [19:55:16] | juski: | ok. |
| [19:55:39] | juski: | so, edit the ~/.mythtv/mysql.txt file and make sure the password is correct |
| [19:55:55] | Bakefy: | juski, do you have any idea what my next step is? |
| [19:55:56] | juski: | also make sure that the hostname is 127.0.0.1 |
| [19:56:03] | juski: | Bakefy: I dunno where you were up to |
| [19:56:09] | juski: | too many threads ongoing here |
| [19:56:29] | Bakefy: | yeah... I can wait till nomin- is done |
| [19:56:35] | juski: | Bakefy: look for the mc.sql file in /usr/share/mythtv/mysql |
| [19:57:01] | juski: | Bakefy: then mysql -u root < /usr/share/mythtv/mysql/mc.sql (if the file exists) |
| [19:57:56] | nomin-: | juski, what would I need to edit in the mysql.txt file? |
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| [19:58:10] | juski: | nomin-: the password, if it's wrong |
| [19:59:03] | juski: | nomin-: also the dbhostname line – make sure it's 127.0.0.1 or localhost |
| [19:59:27] | Bakefy: | I have a mc.sql file. it is located in /usr/share/mythtv/sql/ |
| [19:59:35] | seth|laptop: | i posted all that if you scroll up |
| [19:59:38] | seth|laptop: | :-) |
| [19:59:55] | juski: | seth|laptop: Bakefy might've logged in after that |
| [19:59:56] | nomin-: | juski: those are all fine |
| [20:00:07] | juski: | nomin-: well, when you run mythtv-setup, what happens now? |
| [20:00:14] | nomin-: | same thing |
| [20:00:36] | juski: | nomin-: ok, so maybe try the grant all on mythconverg... trick |
| [20:00:50] | seth|laptop: | seth|laptop: sudo mysql < /usr/share/mythtv/sql/mcsql |
| [20:00:51] | nomin-: | juski, I already did that |
| [20:01:12] | nomin-: | juski: do you think I shouldn't have done that grant all trick? |
| [20:01:19] | juski: | nomin-: no it should be fine |
| [20:01:43] | juski: | post the exact errors you get from mythtv-setup into a pastebin.. everything |
| [20:02:08] | nomin-: | ok |
| [20:02:12] | Bakefy: | juski, i have done what you said. it pinted out a list of things, true and false. |
| [20:02:17] | seth|laptop: | ack I just got an e-mail, guess the wife is watching HD, my frontend is running in excess of 50% |
| [20:02:19] | juski: | you can now log in as the mythtv mysql user, which you could not before, so that isn't the problem |
| [20:02:52] | juski: | nomin-: you now have the mythconverg database, and the mythtv mysql user can access it, so that's not the problem either |
| [20:03:32] | nomin-: | how do I select all text in a terminal? |
| [20:03:52] | Bakefy: | nomin- click and drag |
| [20:04:19] | nomin-: | http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/CAZmkt85.html |
| [20:04:22] | nomin-: | there it is |
| [20:04:24] | Bakefy: | maybe the is a better way :( |
| [20:04:48] | juski: | hrm |
| [20:05:03] | jams: | depends on the terminal being used, but that is the standard way |
| [20:05:22] | nomin-: | I've had this error before with mandriva. I can't remember what I had to do. I came in here for the help. |
| [20:05:38] | juski: | but if you can log into mysql as the mythtv user and see the mythconverg database I can't see what the problem is |
| [20:06:03] | juski: | mysql -u mythtv -p mythconverg _definitely_ works, right? |
| [20:06:27] | seth|laptop: | did we look at his mysql.txt? |
| [20:06:43] | mkrufky is now known as mkrufky-away | |
| [20:06:52] | seth|laptop: | and maybe /etc/hosts |
| [20:07:02] | juski: | yeah there's a point |
| [20:07:04] | nomin-: | maybe I need to do this step: http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-9.html |
| [20:07:22] | juski: | nomin-: no |
| [20:07:56] | juski: | unless of course you've changed the ip address settings in mythtv-setup |
| [20:08:07] | nomin-: | I didn't |
| [20:08:10] | juski: | they should be 127.0.0.1 and 127.0.0.1 by default |
| [20:08:27] | thedward: | could there be a copy of the mysql.txt around that is wrong? |
| [20:08:46] | Bakefy: | seth|laptop, after displaying the trues and falses (mc.sql) what shouldI do next? |
| [20:08:51] | juski: | nomin-: sudo cp ~/.mythtv/mysql.txt /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt |
| [20:09:14] | juski: | Bakefy: that's not very clear. let's see the output of that command in a pastebin |
| [20:09:52] | seth|laptop: | Bakefy: so you did the sudo mysql < /usr/share/mythtv/sql/mc.sql |
| [20:10:05] | thedward: | when I run mythtv-setup it checks for mysql.txt in the following places: /usr/share/mythtv/mysql.txt, /usr/etc/mythtv/mysql.txt , /home/mythtv/.mythtv/mysql.txt and ./mysql.txt |
| [20:10:06] | juski: | pastebin.ca |
| [20:10:19] | nomin-: | juski, there is no ~/.mythtv directory |
| [20:10:27] | juski: | nomin-: there should be |
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| [20:10:44] | juski: | which user are you trying all this as? |
| [20:10:44] | nomin-: | "/home/mythtv/.mythtv: No such file or directory" |
| [20:10:54] | nomin-: | i'm logged in as 'mythtv' |
| [20:11:10] | nomin-: | I looked for it in my normal home directory and it's not there |
| [20:11:21] | juski: | nomin-: so when I said for you to check ~/.mythtv/mysql.txt and you said everything looked ok were you just making that up? |
| [20:11:36] | seth|laptop: | i don't think there is a ~/.mythtv, until after the 1st frontend connection |
| [20:12:01] | nomin-: | I thought you meant /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt |
| [20:12:11] | Bakefy: | pastebin.com is slow, and pastebin.ca never even loaded |
| [20:12:23] | juski: | I said ~/.mythtv/mysql.txt so how would I have meant /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt ? |
| [20:12:24] | seth|laptop: | i use pastebin.ca |
| [20:12:26] | juski: | aaaanyway |
| [20:12:49] | nomin-: | : / |
| [20:12:59] | Bakefy: | my internet must be slow as balls |
| [20:13:10] | juski: | nomin-: put the contents of /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt into a pastebin please |
| [20:14:06] | Bakefy: | Well, Damn. I am going to have to go to school now anyway |
| [20:14:16] | nomin-: | juski, http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/GocMiO58.html |
| [20:14:19] | Bakefy: | thanks for all of your help here, I will return! |
| [20:14:40] | juski: | you hashed out the password right? |
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| [20:14:45] | nomin-: | yes |
| [20:14:48] | juski: | heh |
| [20:14:53] | juski: | but it's otherwise correct? |
| [20:14:57] | nomin-: | yes |
| [20:15:06] | juski: | try ping localhost, out of interest |
| [20:15:50] | nomin-: | "64 bytes from localhost (127.0.0.1): icmp_seq=1 ttl=64 time=0.050 ms" |
| [20:15:54] | juski: | heh |
| [20:15:55] | juski: | ok |
| [20:16:20] | seth|laptop: | what about "skip networking" in /etc/mysql/my.cnf |
| [20:16:21] | juski: | try sudo locate mysql.txt |
| [20:16:33] | nomin-: | btw, I'm recording what I'm doing to help out anyone else doing this on dapper |
| [20:16:38] | juski: | seth|laptop: irrelevant since it's all in on box wight now |
| [20:16:46] | juski: | s/wight/right |
| [20:16:50] | seth|laptop: | ok |
| [20:17:13] | juski: | nomin-: find every mysql.txt file on the machine & make sure the contents are all correct |
| [20:17:30] | seth|laptop: | I know I have mine uncommented for the slaves, but then when I try the box standalone it fails to connect |
| [20:17:34] | juski: | godknows where ubuntu's mythtv packages install them all |
| [20:17:48] | nomin-: | juski, it did nothing in the terminal |
| [20:17:56] | seth|laptop: | sudo find / -name mysql.txt |
| [20:18:13] | nomin-: | juski: I can put in a pastebin where the files are all installed |
| [20:18:31] | nomin-: | I could paste the files for mysql or mythtv |
| [20:19:01] | juski: | oh I know I can check mine :) |
| [20:19:35] | juski: | try /usr/share/mythtv/mysql.txt |
| [20:21:57] | juski: | and our survey said? |
| [20:23:23] | seth|laptop: | if it helps, heres mine – mythtv@mythcenter:~$ sudo find / -name mysql.txt |
| [20:23:23] | seth|laptop: | /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt |
| [20:23:23] | seth|laptop: | /home/mythtv/.mythtv/mysql.txt |
| [20:23:23] | seth|laptop: | /usr/share/mythtv/mysql.txt |
| [20:23:23] | seth|laptop: | mythtv@mythcenter:~$ |
| [20:23:29] | nomin-: | mythtv-backend files on ubuntu dapper: http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/zxQeZH77.html |
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| [20:23:53] | juski: | nomin-: just look in /usr/share/mythtv/mysql.txt & check all the details are correct |
| [20:24:35] | nomin-: | it's correct |
| [20:25:09] | juski: | nomin-: in that case, there's no good reason why mythtv-setup is failing |
| [20:26:03] | juski: | this is why I always build mythtv from source on ubuntu |
| [20:26:16] | juski: | I always end up fighting with the autoconfigured stuff |
| [20:26:48] | nomin-: | but if we can solve this, I can make a step-by-step howto for ubuntu dapper |
| [20:27:01] | juski: | there's already one in the mythtv wiki |
| [20:27:22] | juski: | plus next to no people are using dapper now anyway. wedgy is the new black |
| [20:27:33] | seth|laptop: | wedgy |
| [20:27:41] | juski: | diaper, wedgy... |
| [20:27:50] | juski: | umbongo! |
| [20:27:53] | seth|laptop: | what is it wedgy woodchuck |
| [20:28:15] | juski: | I like ubuntu really, I just find the automagical stuff overbearing sometimes |
| [20:28:27] | nomin-: | I figure a lot of people would still be using dapper because it has LTS |
| [20:28:29] | seth|laptop: | someone should just roll up a "mythbuntu" distro |
| [20:28:50] | juski: | hey mr knoppmyth lover |
| [20:28:52] | juski: | ;) |
| [20:28:54] | juski: | anyway |
| [20:28:58] | juski: | back to the problem in hand |
| [20:29:22] | ** seth|laptop still thinks a look at .etc.mysql/my.cnf might help ** | |
| [20:29:27] | juski: | nomin-: did you use dapper's official packages? |
| [20:29:38] | nomin-: | yes |
| [20:29:46] | juski: | uh-oh |
| [20:30:00] | juski: | they're only 0.18 anyway |
| [20:30:06] | juski: | plus there are better ones |
| [20:30:23] | juski: | sudo apt-get remove --purge mythtv |
| [20:30:24] | seth|laptop: | use svn fixes, I just did that last night, works great |
| [20:30:39] | seth|laptop: | still don't see the bloo-tube themes in there though ;-) |
| [20:30:45] | juski: | who cares? |
| [20:30:56] | seth|laptop: | well me |
| [20:31:05] | juski: | you know where to get em |
| [20:31:06] | juski: | ;) |
| [20:31:09] | seth|laptop: | true |
| [20:31:11] | nomin-: | juski: I've seen a site that has a .deb for .20 on dapper. I figured I'd install 0.18 anyways because a lot of people might use it. |
| [20:31:23] | juski: | nomin-: 0.18 is pretty much unsupported |
| [20:31:30] | seth|laptop: | actually i had 1.3, just got 1.4 this morning |
| [20:31:33] | thedward: | I had good luck with the ones from 'deb http://apt.hypnogogic.org dapper-hypnogogic mythtv' |
| [20:31:33] | juski: | plus 0.20 is much much nicer |
| [20:31:45] | ** seth|laptop never used .18 ** | |
| [20:31:56] | seth|laptop: | Im a noob |
| [20:32:02] | nomin-: | juski, I'm going to install 0.20 on mandriva after I do it on this. |
| [20:32:14] | nomin-: | after I install .18 on this |
| [20:32:27] | juski: | I'm gonna delete mythtv off my boxes in 60 secs |
| [20:32:32] | seth|laptop: | did .18 do HD? |
| [20:32:36] | juski: | box has crashed & I've had enough |
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| [20:40:46] | nomin-: | what else could be preventing mythtv from connecting to the mysql database? |
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| [20:41:21] | nomin-: | Access denied for user 'mythtv'@'localhost' (using password: YES) |
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| [20:42:02] | nomin-: | when I type 'mysql' in a terminal I get the same error |
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| [20:42:03] | GreyFoxx: | put your mysql.txt on pastebin.ca |
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| [20:42:58] | juski: | I can't do it |
| [20:43:04] | GreyFoxx: | ? |
| [20:43:20] | juski: | but then again I can't get near the TV to even find out why the hell the frontend keeps crashing |
| [20:43:31] | GreyFoxx: | ahhh |
| [20:43:39] | juski: | wife's magic fast forwarding always crashes it |
| [20:43:44] | juski: | never does it for me, mind |
| [20:43:50] | GreyFoxx: | hehehehe yeah |
| [20:43:54] | GreyFoxx: | I know how that is |
| [20:43:55] | seth|laptop: | i get that once in a while |
| [20:44:01] | juski: | take it up to 50x, no problems |
| [20:44:10] | GreyFoxx: | My Mom has the ability to crash the frontend, ONLY when my dad or I are not there |
| [20:44:13] | Paladine: | I had a funky crah yesterday |
| [20:44:13] | juski: | start pressing random remote buttons, no problems |
| [20:44:25] | Paladine: | mythmusic froze 1 second from the end of a song |
| [20:44:30] | nomin-: | GreyFoxx, http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/FSL31u50.html |
| [20:44:34] | seth|laptop: | my wife holds the skip butotn down, like its ffwd, that last for about 2 minutes, and then bam |
| [20:44:40] | Paladine: | and as a result completely wiped my entire manual recording schedule from the system |
| [20:44:47] | nomin-: | sh-3.1$ mysql |
| [20:44:54] | nomin-: | ERROR 1045 (28000): Access denied for user 'mythtv'@'localhost' (using password: NO) |
| [20:45:00] | juski: | and Emmerdale failed to record.. had a filesize of B. |
| [20:45:06] | GreyFoxx: | nomin-: And I assume "secretpassword" IS the real password ? |
| [20:45:15] | juski: | so mythtv has taste. what the fuck am I supposed to do about that? ;) |
| [20:45:29] | nomin-: | GreyFoxx, isn't not the password, but you can assume that |
| [20:45:39] | nomin-: | *it's not |
| [20:45:53] | juski: | nomin-: there's no space after the password in the file is there? |
| [20:46:10] | GreyFoxx: | my goal in seeing that files contents was to construct and EXACT commandline for yuou to use. Not leaving anything to pebcak |
| [20:46:17] | juski: | I mean there's definitely a line end after the last char of the password |
| [20:46:32] | Paladine: | juski, I just won a sweet case on ebay |
| [20:46:34] | nomin-: | juski: no |
| [20:46:35] | Paladine: | http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewIt . . . d=1&rd=1 |
| [20:46:55] | GreyFoxx: | mysql -h localhost -umythtv -psecretpassword mythconverg |
| [20:47:01] | GreyFoxx: | as mythtv, run that from the commandline |
| [20:47:14] | Paladine: | you should never run -ppassword |
| [20:47:15] | juski: | Paladine: cheap case, if it's as described ;) |
| [20:47:37] | GreyFoxx: | Paladine: pffft, mysql hides it in a PS listing and only root can get the info otherwise |
| [20:47:37] | Paladine: | -ppassword puts you mysql password in the process list |
| [20:47:44] | seth|laptop: | thats a nice cae, including dvd burner, wow |
| [20:47:47] | seth|laptop: | good deal |
| [20:47:55] | Paladine: | seth aye nice |
| [20:48:02] | GreyFoxx: | And on a single user myth box, I doubt that's a concern |
| [20:48:10] | Paladine: | still bad practise :) |
| [20:48:18] | juski: | still no IR window either ;) |
| [20:48:23] | GreyFoxx: | and it also ensures what he types there is not different than what is typed but not echoed back |
| [20:48:58] | Paladine: | juski, it doesn't need and IR |
| [20:49:08] | Paladine: | juski, I was looking at this one too (great price) http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewIt . . . d=1&rd=1 |
| [20:49:26] | Paladine: | has a vfd window |
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| [20:49:38] | GreyFoxx: | mythtv@woop:~$ ps -ef | grep mysql | grep mythconverg |
| [20:49:38] | GreyFoxx: | mythtv 14763 14757 0 16:49 pts/2 00:00:00 /home/mysql/bin/mysql -umythtv -px xxxx mythconverg |
| [20:49:44] | GreyFoxx: | mysql hides it in the process list |
| [20:49:55] | Paladine: | but as seth said, can't beat a £110 case with a free 16x dvdrw for 51 quid |
| [20:50:08] | Paladine: | GreyFoxx, it doesn't on freebsd |
| [20:50:19] | Paladine: | maybe I was logged in as root at the time I guess |
| [20:50:27] | nomin-: | GreyFoxx, "ERROR 1045 (28000): Access denied for user 'mythtv'@'localhost' (using password: YES)" |
| [20:50:44] | Paladine: | I played hell with one of my mysql users for using -ppassword for that specific reason |
| [20:50:54] | GreyFoxx: | nomin-: So the username and password combo you are using is not allowed in from localhost |
| [20:50:57] | seth|laptop: | if i was to assume 51 quid = $98 US, thats how much I paid for my dvd burner alone, that was a great buy |
| [20:51:09] | seth|laptop: | and you get the case |
| [20:51:26] | nomin-: | GreyFoxx, I just got in by putting 'mythtv' next to -p in that line you gave |
| [20:51:27] | Paladine: | yeah 51 quid would be somewherein the ball park of 98 bucks |
| [20:51:29] | burner: | stop talking about dvd burners.. i get highlight :p |
| [20:51:31] | burner: | hehe |
| [20:51:37] | seth|laptop: | " Buy this dvd-burner, and we'll throw in a free cae" kinda thing |
| [20:51:46] | GreyFoxx: | nomin-: so mysql -umythtv -pmythtv mythconverg ? |
| [20:51:53] | juski: | don't use my pioneer burner |
| [20:51:56] | juski: | or my plextor burner |
| [20:51:57] | GreyFoxx: | Then sounds like your password is "mythtv" not "secretpassword" :) |
| [20:52:01] | juski: | or my other burners |
| [20:52:03] | Paladine: | I have a -lot- of dvdrw drives |
| [20:52:07] | Paladine: | but a free one is a free one |
| [20:52:14] | seth|laptop: | must be nice, I only have 1 |
| [20:52:15] | juski: | heh |
| [20:52:20] | GreyFoxx: | Remember, this is the mysql users password, not your local shell mythtv users password |
| [20:52:22] | GreyFoxx: | they are seperate |
| [20:52:31] | juski: | hmm that I didn't know |
| [20:52:37] | Paladine: | I used to own my own company with it's own brand of dvdr |
| [20:52:45] | Paladine: | so I had a lot of drives for testing and QA |
| [20:52:53] | nomin-: | GreyFoxx, yes that works |
| [20:52:59] | juski: | I hate DVDr manufacturers |
| [20:53:08] | GreyFoxx: | nomin-: Then change the mysql.txt file to use mythtv as the password |
| [20:53:15] | nomin-: | oh ok |
| [20:53:15] | juski: | they're always changing their firmware & making them not work with works' DVR machines |
| [20:53:21] | Paladine: | I wasn't a manufacturer, I outsourced but had them branded to my company |
| [20:53:41] | nomin-: | lol |
| [20:53:43] | Paladine: | oh you mean the drive manufacturers |
| [20:53:52] | juski: | yeah |
| [20:53:55] | juski: | esp. Sony |
| [20:53:58] | juski: | bastards! |
| [20:54:03] | Paladine: | I specifically dealt with media not drives, I just had a lot of drives for QA purposes |
| [20:54:08] | juski: | Sony == Shiteon |
| [20:54:15] | Paladine: | and I wouldn't buy anything off sony |
| [20:54:26] | Paladine: | liteon are great drives for reading, but poor at writing |
| [20:54:32] | juski: | they're cheap, is all, which is why the company I work for buys em |
| [20:54:54] | GreyFoxx: | hrm, almost time for the office xmas party |
| [20:55:09] | juski: | is it quite easy to 'nice' a compilation process ? |
| [20:55:24] | GreyFoxx: | nice -n 5 make |
| [20:55:26] | ** Paladine is waiting for his meds to arrive ** | |
| [20:55:28] | juski: | woo |
| [20:55:38] | GreyFoxx: | and it will be inherited by the "child" gcc's and such |
| [20:55:55] | juski: | I've got this theory that the crashes on the frontend I'm seeing are due to the version not being exactly the same as the backend |
| [20:55:58] | nomin-: | GreyFoxx, it works now! |
| [20:56:01] | GreyFoxx: | the higher the number the lower the priority |
| [20:56:04] | GreyFoxx: | nomin-: woop |
| [20:56:22] | nomin-: | juski: thanks. I just needed to change the pw in mysql.txt to mythtv |
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| [20:56:30] | nomin-: | lol |
| [20:56:37] | juski: | nomin-: we were SO close |
| [20:56:41] | Paladine: | seth, that case will look nice under the tv with the other av equipment :) |
| [20:57:02] | Paladine: | its so damn hard to find a reasonably priced atx htpc case |
| [20:57:11] | ** GreyFoxx kicks of an svn up before heading out ** | |
| [20:57:13] | Paladine: | most of the reasonably priced ones are mATX |
| [20:57:23] | juski: | the problem was that you assumed I'd meant the mythtv user's password, not the mysql 'mythtv' user's password |
| [20:58:33] | jams: | oh, now we all know nomin mysql password for the user mythtv |
| [20:58:38] | GreyFoxx: | hehe |
| [20:58:46] | seth|laptop: | I like my htpc case, but now you have me looking, I found this, for another frontend, not sure what a 120watt PS would do though http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem . . . d=1&rd=1 |
| [20:58:47] | nomin-: | I should have just pasted it |
| [20:58:49] | GreyFoxx: | I'm sure it's the same for a lot of them :) |
| [20:58:58] | jams: | me included! |
| [20:59:12] | juski: | anyway – before you dash off & install the PoS they call mandriva you could just uninstall mythtv and update your sources.list & get a nice spangly install of 0.20 on ubuntu |
| [20:59:13] | GreyFoxx: | heck, MY mysql password for mythtv is mythtv on 30 or so seperate mythtv installs :) |
| [20:59:22] | juski: | and me |
| [20:59:25] | seth|laptop: | and me |
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| [20:59:44] | juski: | though I'm behind NAT & all a brute force attack on my IP address will do is result in my router crashing |
| [20:59:50] | GreyFoxx: | hehe yeah |
| [20:59:52] | juski: | that, I can live with |
| [20:59:58] | jams: | yep |
| [21:00:15] | GreyFoxx: | worst someone can do to me is dos the apache service I make available from outside the house :) |
| [21:00:20] | Paladine: | seth, I would paint strip that and do something nice with it ;) |
| [21:00:23] | donsmith: | hey, I'm having problems with ivtv on gentoo and 2.6.18 kernel could someone lend a hand? |
| [21:00:28] | nomin-: | juski: I'm planning on installing edgy eventually. I already have mandriva installed btw. I was going to stick with just ubuntu but then I discovered the Seer of Souls repos someone made for mandriva with lets you get the most up to date packages. |
| [21:00:49] | Paladine: | I didn't use mythtv for the password on my mythdatabase :p |
| [21:00:51] | sandeen_: | what does mythtv actually use for video playback by default... is it its own complete thing, or does it use mlayer or ffmpeg or something to play back? |
| [21:01:03] | juski: | nomin-: I know windows lovers who use mandriva, so that's why I have a chip on my shoulder about it |
| [21:01:07] | juski: | ;) |
| [21:01:10] | GreyFoxx: | sandeen_: For recordings it's own internal player |
| [21:01:16] | GreyFoxx: | for mythvideo I'm not sure |
| [21:01:26] | nomin-: | sandeen_, it uses it's own interface. It saves videos in it's own format. |
| [21:01:26] | GreyFoxx: | I use the internal player for mythvideo and mythdvd |
| [21:01:30] | juski: | mythvideo now defaults to 'Internal' I think |
| [21:01:34] | GreyFoxx: | ok |
| [21:01:38] | juski: | it used to default to mplayer |
| [21:01:40] | sandeen_: | guys, sorry, I meant for playback |
| [21:02:00] | GreyFoxx: | sandeen_: all Playback of myth recordings uses the internal player |
| [21:02:08] | nomin-: | juski, I've been using mandriva because I was learning about linux some time ago and heard it was the easiest to use. |
| [21:02:14] | GreyFoxx: | which uses libavcodec/libavformat (ffmpeg) libraries |
| [21:02:16] | sandeen_: | ah gotcha, I misunderstood the answer :) |
| [21:02:17] | GreyFoxx: | but is it's own player |
| [21:02:25] | nomin-: | but I think ubuntu is easier than mandriva now |
| [21:02:32] | sandeen_: | I didn't see the mythtv binary using ffmpeg... |
| [21:02:49] | juski: | I saw a survey recently where most of the respondents thought mandriva was the new name for Lindows |
| [21:02:58] | GreyFoxx: | sandeen_: IT doesn't, it just uses the same library code as the ffmpeg player does :) |
| [21:03:06] | GreyFoxx: | they both use libavcodec and such |
| [21:03:13] | sandeen_: | ah. |
| [21:03:27] | GreyFoxx: | and myth keeps it's own version of it in the source |
| [21:03:30] | juski: | time to go watch some mythtv & see if I can make 'the box' crash |
| [21:03:34] | sandeen_: | I'm just desperately trying to figure out why my playback should be as bad as it is, trying to break it down into components when I can |
| [21:03:56] | GreyFoxx: | 43 seconds and my backup on my new laptop finishes so I can head to the party |
| [21:03:57] | sandeen_: | GreyFoxx, so it's all static in the binary then... |
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| [21:04:10] | nomin-: | juski: what distro do you use? |
| [21:04:16] | GreyFoxx: | sandeen_: Nope, we create libmythavcodec and link to that |
| [21:04:41] | juski: | ubuntu, but I plan to try slack for the frontend this weekend. I'm sick of ubuntu's long boot time |
| [21:04:50] | GreyFoxx: | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 8710097 2006-12–04 11:28 /usr/local/lib/libmythavcodec-0.20.so.0.20.0* |
| [21:05:01] | Paladine: | seth, yeah 120W is a bit "lite" |
| [21:05:05] | juski: | I trimmed more than 30 secs off the boot process but it's still not enough |
| [21:05:16] | GreyFoxx: | sane: So a user can update/manipulate their ffmpeg/libavcodec without messing up mythtv |
| [21:05:19] | sandeen_: | GreyFoxx, ah ok... . thanks |
| [21:05:19] | Paladine: | the machine I am building comes out at about 233W and it is only an athlon xp1800 |
| [21:05:26] | jams: | wow you trimmed 30secs off the bootime |
| [21:05:35] | juski: | XP are thirsty, hot CPUs |
| [21:05:46] | jams: | my bootime is only 15–20 including POST |
| [21:05:50] | Paladine: | actually only 50W |
| [21:05:59] | juski: | jams: you're gonna tell me your ubuntu box boots in 20 secs arent ya |
| [21:06:02] | jams: | good reason not to use ubunta |
| [21:06:04] | jams: | no |
| [21:06:07] | juski: | heh |
| [21:06:08] | juski: | ;) |
| [21:06:09] | jams: | i don't use ubunta at all |
| [21:06:13] | juski: | what do you use then? |
| [21:06:15] | juski: | your own? |
| [21:06:19] | jams: | tried it once and was repulsed by it |
| [21:06:25] | jams: | yes my own |
| [21:06:32] | juski: | it's quick, and it (sort of) works |
| [21:06:34] | juski: | so :) |
| [21:06:41] | juski: | quick to install I mean |
| [21:06:42] | jams: | the one with all the fancy screenshots on my website =) |
| [21:07:05] | juski: | if I didn't need to bump the WAF up a few notches I'd offer to test it |
| [21:07:30] | jams: | I have a few more changes to the installer I want to make, then I will make the iso public |
| [21:07:44] | juski: | although I plan to go diskless at some point, then I can fiddle to my heart's content |
| [21:07:47] | jams: | but let it be known, I have no desire to take over the world with it |
| [21:08:22] | juski: | if I'd managed to nail the problem I had with minimyth I'd still be using that tbh |
| [21:08:40] | Paladine: | my ubunut box boots plenty quick enough for me |
| [21:08:40] | jams: | i have heard it's good |
| [21:08:53] | juski: | not that I've written it off completely.. some files might change versions & suddenly all will work fine again |
| [21:09:13] | donsmith: | hey, I'm having problems with ivtv on gentoo and 2.6.18 kernel could someone lend a hand? |
| [21:09:14] | donsmith: | it says i don't have the firmware in the right directory |
| [21:09:14] | donsmith: | but i've checked the hotplug config and it's pointing to the right directory with a firmware file chmodded to 777 |
| [21:09:17] | juski: | I was a huge fan of it until the gappy playback thing |
| [21:09:32] | juski: | donsmith: maybe it's still not in the right place |
| [21:09:40] | juski: | howto guides can (and do) say bullshit |
| [21:09:56] | donsmith: | it's in /lib/firmware |
| [21:10:14] | donsmith: | and /lib/modules |
| [21:10:37] | Viking1: | ? |
| [21:10:38] | Viking1: | what kernel |
| [21:10:38] | donsmith: | I copied it to 2 places |
| [21:10:39] | Viking1: | its in either /lib/firmware or /usr/lib/hotplug/firmware |
| [21:11:02] | juski: | I can't remember where I ended up copying it to when I used gentoo, but the path involved hotplug I'm sure |
| [21:11:22] | donsmith: | I also have a copy there |
| [21:11:28] | Viking1: | well search for it |
| [21:11:41] | donsmith: | but only with a+r permissions |
| [21:11:43] | juski: | and check the filename is right |
| [21:11:44] | Viking1: | type: find / -name firmware |
| [21:13:28] | juski: | oof! mythfrontend is using over 60% cpu, using xvmc & playing back sdtv mpeg2 |
| [21:13:56] | jams: | juski is that the s100? |
| [21:13:59] | juski: | nope |
| [21:14:01] | juski: | my epia |
| [21:14:06] | juski: | no xvmc on the s100 |
| [21:14:07] | ivor: | that's crap. |
| [21:14:12] | juski: | yup |
| [21:14:31] | jams: | heh I bet cpu usage drops if you turn xvmc off |
| [21:14:36] | ivor: | somethings regressed in myth. :( |
| [21:14:37] | juski: | actually no |
| [21:14:53] | juski: | framerate drops if I go back to no xvmc |
| [21:14:54] | ivor: | what version of myth? svn? |
| [21:14:59] | juski: | 0.20-fixes |
| [21:15:01] | ivor: | k |
| [21:15:27] | juski: | I'm gonna build it from source soon so I know what I've got |
| [21:15:28] | ivor: | if the cpu load all in mythfront or X? |
| [21:15:34] | juski: | mythfrontend |
| [21:15:46] | juski: | Xorg is taking 2% CPU |
| [21:15:54] | juski: | 4048 mythtv 15 0 317m 135m 24m S 68.7 30.8 39:29.85 mythfrontend |
| [21:15:54] | juski: | 4020 root 15 0 202m 103m 3276 S 1.3 23.5 0:58.16 Xorg |
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| [21:16:20] | ivor: | I take it performance through xine or mplayer is normal? |
| [21:16:46] | ivor: | (i.e. with the same recording) |
| [21:16:49] | juski: | just started looking into why the box might be crashy. it doesn't actually _hang_ when playback stops, cos acpi events still happen – i.e. I get a clean shutdown when I power it off |
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| [21:17:05] | juski: | not tried that yet, but playback of dvds in xine is much lower |
| [21:18:28] | juski: | maybe the compiler it was built with isn't as optimal as it might be.. or using the wrong (i.e. just a generic one) CPU option |
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| [21:20:44] | seth|laptop: | speaking of dvd playback, is there a way to stop the dvd drive from spinning down, whilest watching a movie, occasionally, it pauses while the drive spins back up |
| [21:21:03] | seth|laptop: | playback that is |
| [21:21:29] | juski: | hrm mythfrontend --version reports Source code version: Unknown (!) |
| [21:21:35] | jams: | seth|laptop- have alook at hdparm |
| [21:21:52] | Paladine: | seth, dma mode -should- work like that but doesn't always iirc |
| [21:22:35] | seth|laptop: | I never ran that since my last reboot, is that something that neeeds run every time you insert a new disk? |
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| [21:22:53] | Paladine: | one you have dma mode enabled it should stay that way |
| [21:22:58] | Paladine: | once |
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| [21:23:23] | Paladine: | it isn't a prolem I have though because I -always- rip my dvds onto the HD to get rid of css crap |
| [21:24:53] | juski: | anyway.. it's time for mythtv to act up in front of me, or else! |
| [21:26:03] | seth|laptop: | ack I had "keep settings" off |
| [21:26:13] | Paladine: | :) |
| [21:26:16] | seth|laptop: | hdparm -qd1k1 fixed it |
| [21:26:21] | Paladine: | well at least you know how to fix it now :) |
| [21:27:09] | seth|laptop: | woohoo, got 2 things to work right today, first the getppv.sh dish script, and now hdparm, so jumpering my new sata drive down to 150MB/s just has to work :-) |
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| [21:31:33] | Paladine: | :) |
| [21:36:15] | lotia: | folks if one wants to use media from mythmusic or mythvideo on remote machines, is an NFS or SMB mount required? or is there a way to stream stuff over the myth protocol? |
| [21:37:19] | seth|laptop: | i think you can access those files via mythweb |
| [21:39:38] | Paladine: | can't use a remote frontend? |
| [21:39:53] | Paladine: | thats what I am going to do |
| [21:39:57] | Paladine: | remote frontend with samba |
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| [21:41:27] | Paladine: | ok time for some more gaming bbl |
| [21:42:02] | kslater: | seth|laptop what does the getppv.sh script do? where does it get info from? |
| [21:42:29] | kslater: | I've been itching to get the ppv info for DirecTV for a while but can't find a source |
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| [21:44:32] | seth|laptop: | well this is for dish network, but what it does, is run mythfill, and then afterwards, it gathers data for channels 500 and up from Mythppv.com so basically it just populates the screen with the current running items : http://www.mad-penguin.org/mythtv2/dishppv1.JPG |
| [21:44:32] | nomin-: | "Error getting codec params" "IVTV_IOC_G_CODEC:: Bad address" <---what do these mean? I can't get it to scan channels in mythtv-setup and it just freezes when I pick the option to 'watch live tv' with the frontend. |
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| [21:45:54] | seth|laptop: | then I click on what I want, and I have a very basic script that knows the key presses, to basically say "yes, yes, and ok" |
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| [21:56:18] | seth|laptop: | ah , home time |
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| [21:57:48] | nomin-: | video source under 'unput connections' is blank. Why is this? |
| [21:57:56] | nomin-: | *'input connections' |
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| [21:58:51] | nomin-: | I have a hauppauge wintv go plus. Its Bt878. What kind of video card to I select in mythtv-setup? |
| [21:59:46] | DrMitch: | the default |
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| [22:00:12] | DrMitch: | v4l analog |
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| [22:00:57] | nomin-: | ok, but I've already tried that one. I'm not getting any channels. I'll try it again. |
| [22:00:59] | kslater: | seth|laptop I don't guess you'd happen to know what the source of the lsitings is? |
| [22:02:12] | DrMitch: | nomin – did you set it to broadcast or cable? |
| [22:02:34] | nomin-: | DrMitch, cable |
| [22:05:00] | DrMitch: | nomin-, does a normal tv program work with your card? |
| [22:05:06] | DrMitch: | like tvtime or xawtv ? |
| [22:05:07] | nomin-: | yes |
| [22:13:29] | nomin-: | it looks like everything is working except for the channel signals. It's just not seeing the channels for some reason. |
| [22:14:00] | nomin-: | it won't scan for channels |
| [22:14:23] | kormoc: | why scan at all? |
| [22:14:25] | nomin-: | " Channel(/dev/video0): CheckChannel failed. Please verify channel "3" in the "setup" Channel Editor." |
| [22:16:02] | nomin-: | "X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 169" |
| [22:16:29] | nomin-: | "mythtv: could not connect to socket" |
| [22:16:34] | kormoc: | nomin-, sounds like you didn't setup your card correctly in mythtv-setup, and why scan for channels? |
| [22:16:59] | nomin-: | kormac: doesn't it automatically scan for channels in the last step in mythtv-setup? |
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| [22:17:18] | kormoc: | nomin-, no it doesn't. and if you use zap2it, it doesn't need to scan at all |
| [22:17:30] | nomin-: | I don't use zap2it |
| [22:17:34] | kormoc: | why not? |
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| [22:18:24] | nomin-: | I signed up for it some time ago but I didn't take the time to get all that stuff set up. Right now I just want to be able to watch tv and I don't know what card to pick in mythtv setup. |
| [22:19:06] | kormoc: | nomin-, really, if you just want to watch tv, myth isn't the app for you. |
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| [22:19:15] | nomin-: | I want to record tv also |
| [22:19:19] | kormoc: | nomin-, as for what card to pick, what card do you have? |
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| [22:19:30] | nomin-: | I'm just saying that I want it to start picking up channels |
| [22:19:30] | kormoc: | nomin-, and you don't want meta data on what the show it? |
| [22:19:34] | kormoc: | *show is |
| [22:19:45] | nomin-: | hauppauge wintv go plus. Bt 878. |
| [22:20:09] | kormoc: | so set the card type to the framegrabber style |
| [22:20:26] | kormoc: | and really, myth is entirely worthless without zap2it or similar |
| [22:20:51] | nomin-: | kormoc: I had mythtv going before and I was happy enough just being able to schedule and record shows. I tried to figure out how the zap2it stuff works but didn't figure it out. I signed up for an account already. |
| [22:21:15] | kormoc: | nomin-, it's dirt simple to setup, what part did you have a problem getting right? |
| [22:21:59] | nomin-: | kormoc, I don't know. I had no clue where to start with zap2it before. I kept running mythfilldatabase and it kept rejecting me. |
| [22:22:20] | nomin-: | people in here just told me to do it later and it might work. |
| [22:22:33] | Chicago: | kormoc: After I came in here last week talking about some of those settings to optimize my Hauppauge 150s... I stopped in the #v4l channel and someone suggest I use v4l2-ctrl rather than ivtvctl... so I upgraded to kernel 2.6.18 and ivtv.8... and now I'm seeing some rather cool enhancements to the picture... The only thing I'm wondering now is... since every channel change only resets the brightness,contrast,saturation,hue se |
| [22:22:34] | Chicago: | ttings... Can you confirm for me again that editing those specific columns you suggested I update to set the default values for brightness,contrast,color,hue actually work, please. |
| [22:22:39] | nomin-: | and it didn't work later. I was happy enough scheduling stuff manually |
| [22:23:29] | nomin-: | kormoc: what's the framegrabber style? Is that mjpeg? |
| [22:23:31] | kormoc: | Chicago, it works for me, aye |
| [22:23:40] | juski: | yay I reproduced the frontend hang again |
| [22:24:03] | juski: | same programme as my wife was playing when she crashed it, in roughly the same place, while ffwding |
| [22:24:13] | kormoc: | nomin-, it should say framegrabber or bt-8x8 or similar |
| [22:24:29] | juski: | passed the totally beserk remote button-pressing test though :) |
| [22:24:44] | nomin-: | kormoc, I'm using 0.18. I didn't see that option in mythtv-setup. |
| [22:24:55] | kormoc: | it's there somewhere |
| [22:25:02] | juski: | why still labour with 0.18? |
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| [22:25:08] | nomin-: | I'll try this again |
| [22:25:20] | nomin-: | juski, because it's in dappers repos |
| [22:25:26] | juski: | you're missing out on all the point twenty goodness :) |
| [22:25:28] | Chicago: | Yesterday my mythfronted started crashing after changing the appearance from windowed to fullscreen and vice versa... has anybody else seen this? |
| [22:26:03] | juski: | Chicago: some people have seen mythfrontend crash when changing themes, which amounts to pretty much the same thing |
| [22:26:51] | juski: | those 'some people' haven't raised bug report though AFAIK, so it's not likely to get fixed otherwise |
| [22:26:59] | Chicago: | juski: Well, I used to not have the problem. I did some mean things to my computer and was wondering if that might have done it. |
| [22:27:31] | juski: | compiz has been responsible for a lot of mythfrontend crashes, from my own experience, so away went the eye candy |
| [22:27:31] | Chicago: | Since I'm on gentoo... everything has to compile... but recently I told my system to cache the binary packages of the source I compile... then I told my system to reinstall everything from my prebuilt packages... |
| [22:27:36] | Chicago: | I figure maybe that had something to do with it. |
| [22:27:41] | juski: | nah |
| [22:27:52] | juski: | it'll be a semi obscure bug |
| [22:28:18] | Chicago: | I'll try and monitor it... and potentially it could be an issue with my home directory because of all the upgrading. |
| [22:28:18] | nomin-: | kormoc, "video source" under "input connections" is blank. |
| [22:28:27] | phrozen77: | evening all |
| [22:28:34] | kormoc: | nomin-, yes, cause you need to add a source, like zap2it |
| [22:28:34] | Chicago: | phrozen77: evenin |
| [22:29:07] | nomin-: | kormoc: shouldn't I be able to watch tv without zap2it? I did it already with 0.19 in mandriva. |
| [22:29:23] | phrozen77: | juski: i've bought a new antenna (+45db phillips) today, built a new kernel (2.6.19-rc6 mm-sources) and sh*t still doesnt work :| |
| [22:29:24] | nomin-: | does 0.18 require zap2it or similar? |
| [22:29:29] | kormoc: | nomin-, in theory, sure, but it's not really ment to be done |
| [22:29:38] | kormoc: | nomin-, so I donno the steps to get around it |
| [22:29:48] | kormoc: | nomin-, esp on a version that is over a year old |
| [22:30:04] | juski: | could just be a big coincidence but the recordings that hang mythfrontend when they reach the end of the show are from the same channel that the recordings which hang during ffw are on |
| [22:30:23] | nomin-: | I guess I'll have to fuss around with zap2it again. |
| [22:30:42] | juski: | phrozen77: like I suggested, take your box round to a friend's house where they have a proper aerial, or borrow a dvb-t set top box just to verify your aerial is ok. there are too many unknowns in your setup |
| [22:31:14] | phrozen77: | mhh sounds like i have to – or ditch dvb-t and go -s or -c |
| [22:31:41] | juski: | phrozen77: going with dvb-s or dvb-c will have its own problems too |
| [22:32:00] | juski: | with dvb-s you need to know your dish works properly for starters |
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| [22:33:25] | xris: | nomin-: why wouldn't you want to use zap2it? |
| [22:33:42] | nomin-: | xris: I want to. I'm the page now. |
| [22:33:49] | juski: | phrozen77: it might take only 30 minutes to find out whether it is your PC at fault or your aerial. whichever it is, you need to know before you go any further |
| [22:34:08] | nomin-: | but it didn't work last time I tried it. I even came in here and people said my set up was just fine. |
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| [22:34:22] | phrozen77: | yeah, pretty much sounds like, gotta ask around now who has dvb-t |
| [22:35:26] | Chicago: | What is the "audio_emphasis" control in v4l2-ctl good for??? I have three choices. No Emphasis, 50/15 us & CCITT J17... |
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| [22:36:02] | juski: | phrozen77: your drivers seem to be loading properly, all the device nodes get created and it seems to do what it should apart from the fact it doesn't tune during a scan. So apart from the remote chance the tuner card is bad, the most likely thing is that your aerial is still bad somehow |
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| [22:37:32] | juski: | so jams this distro of yours you're working on.. what's it based on? |
| [22:38:14] | nomin-: | "HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 401 Unauthorized" |
| [22:38:19] | nomin-: | same old same old |
| [22:38:25] | xris: | nomin-: you will ALWAYS get that |
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| [22:38:42] | xris: | every connection gets "unauthorized" first, and then it sends the auth info |
| [22:38:43] | nomin-: | how does the zap2it stuff work anyways? Aren't I supposed to do stuff on their website? |
| [22:38:49] | xris: | nomin-: yes. |
| [22:38:57] | phrozen77: | juski: the "remote chance" for a bad tuner isnt *that* remote – i've bought it used on ebay |
| [22:39:02] | xris: | you need to set up listings on zap2it's website, and then enable them within mythtv-setup |
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| [22:39:09] | Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : +v juski | |
| [22:39:13] | phrozen77: | juski: the "remote chance" for a bad tuner isnt *that* remote – i've bought it used on ebay |
| [22:39:14] | kormoc: | nomin-, http://mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-5.html#ss5.3 |
| [22:39:19] | xris: | juski: btw, congratz on the +v :) |
| [22:39:21] | juski: | phrozen77: ah. |
| [22:39:25] | juski: | thanks xris :) |
| [22:39:27] | jams: | juski the base started as arch linux |
| [22:39:38] | phrozen77: | though i suppose if it is recognised and stuff, it *should* be ok |
| [22:39:53] | juski: | jams: I've seen a few folks talking about arch, and I've been intruiged by it myself |
| [22:40:02] | jams: | it's very nice |
| [22:40:04] | Chicago: | I'm looking for a remote control for myth. |
| [22:40:09] | Chicago: | I want to do something special though. |
| [22:40:15] | jams: | if you liked slack you should like arch |
| [22:40:24] | Chicago: | I was hoping I could run the mythfrontend on a handheld device with a smallish LCD screen on it... |
| [22:40:27] | ** phrozen77 <3 gentoo :) ** | |
| [22:40:44] | Chicago: | That way the users can sit on the couch with a handheld device about the size of an NTN trivia game machine. |
| [22:40:45] | kormoc: | Chicago, sure, feel free to port away |
| [22:40:49] | juski: | jams: I've not got much experience with slack, but I'm willing to do anything to shave 60 secs off the boot time |
| [22:40:55] | jams: | hehe |
| [22:41:01] | Chicago: | They could browse the program guide and see the preview of the video... and change the channels on their TV... |
| [22:41:13] | juski: | I've _used_ a slack frontend on my s100, and it was very nice |
| [22:41:24] | Chicago: | but if they walked out of the room.... of course they would still have a full myth with them because the handheld device is also a complete myth. |
| [22:41:31] | jams: | right now I only use package manager and some arch packages |
| [22:41:40] | Chicago: | Any recommendations for such a device (I'm sure a laptop would work... but that's too big) |
| [22:41:57] | jams: | but my desktop is pure arch |
| [22:42:29] | juski: | Chicago: sounds like a very ambitious plan. how many handhelds can play SDTV over wireless? |
| [22:42:59] | Chicago: | juski: Well... I want to do a 720P resolution on the handheld device so that they can use mythmusic and the program guide nicely even if their TV is just 4:3. |
| [22:43:09] | juski: | 720p ? pffffffffft! |
| [22:43:15] | ** kormoc laughs ** | |
| [22:43:37] | Chicago: | Well, okay maybe not 720p... but most importantly the 16:9 aspect ratio. |
| [22:43:48] | juski: | think more 'tablet PC' than 'handheld' |
| [22:43:53] | Chicago: | yes |
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| [22:44:19] | Chicago: | I was thinking more... LCD touchscreen + embedded Linux. |
| [22:44:21] | kormoc: | you're still gonna need to code a ton to do that remote frontend control you mentioned |
| [22:44:27] | juski: | even if there was a handheld device that could play 720p, I don't think it'd be popular on account of its battery life being measured in seconds rather than minutes |
| [22:44:45] | Chicago: | juski: You're probably absolutely right about that. |
| [22:44:57] | kormoc: | 30 second battery life (without backlight being lit!) |
| [22:44:59] | Chicago: | I just know that on a 4:3 display the mythmusic and program guide aren't very cool |
| [22:45:09] | juski: | you'd absolutely _have_ to transcode it on the fly to a smaller size |
| [22:45:23] | juski: | and for the UI, I think more Ipod style than mythmusic |
| [22:45:28] | Chicago: | juski: Well I have a little experience with ffmpeg and pipe'ing so that wouldn't be too bad./ |
| [22:45:39] | juski: | but then I think mythmusic should be more ipod UI than mythmusic anyway ;) |
| [22:45:52] | Chicago: | When the frontend says that it can do the gui and the video on a seperate display... |
| [22:45:59] | Chicago: | I figured part of the work might already be done.... |
| [22:46:07] | Chicago: | because the touchscreen lcd would be the gui's display... |
| [22:46:31] | juski: | Chicago: prolly easier to write a control app to send commands to the _real_ frontend over telnet |
| [22:46:32] | mkrufky-away: | are those touch screens in tablet pc's supported by linux yet? |
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| [22:46:51] | juski: | then that could be the music player & menu UI |
| [22:46:56] | phrozen77: | mkrufky: there are a few within the recent kernels |
| [22:47:03] | phrozen77: | like 5 or 7 |
| [22:47:14] | mkrufky: | pretty cool... do u know which ones, by any chance? |
| [22:47:16] | nomin-: | looks like zap2it got a lot easier |
| [22:47:16] | Chicago: | juski: The telent approach for a GUI is kinda fine... I wrote a php script to do it so I could control it over the internet with my blackberry... but there was a 2–3 second latency which kinda sucked. |
| [22:47:30] | phrozen77: | mkrufky: i could look it up if you really want to |
| [22:47:38] | juski: | Chicago: the latency wasn't due to the telnet interface, believe me |
| [22:47:38] | Chicago: | mkrufky-away: I dont' know for sure |
| [22:47:46] | mkrufky: | i could probably find it in kconfig |
| [22:47:46] | Chicago: | juski: It was due to verizon wirless |
| [22:47:49] | mkrufky: | i'll take a look |
| [22:48:26] | juski: | it'd surely make a whole lot more sense to use a _local_ wireless network, I'd have thought |
| [22:48:41] | juski: | as in 'in house' |
| [22:48:45] | mkrufky: | they have commercial products that do what Chicago is suggesting ... i think it would be pretty cool to have a homebrew linux device working like that with myth |
| [22:49:00] | phrozen77: | mkrufky: |
| [22:49:03] | juski: | look at what those list spammers did.. plutohome |
| [22:49:03] | phrozen77: | x--- Touchscreens x x |
| [22:49:03] | phrozen77: | x x< > Gunze AHL-51S touchscreen (NEW) x x |
| [22:49:03] | phrozen77: | x x< > Elo serial touchscreens (NEW) x x |
| [22:49:03] | phrozen77: | x x< > MicroTouch serial touchscreens (NEW) x x |
| [22:49:03] | phrozen77: | x x< > ICS MicroClock MK712 touchscreen (NEW) x x |
| [22:49:03] | mkrufky: | hehe M$ puts out that product — i forgot what it was called |
| [22:49:05] | phrozen77: | x x |
| [22:49:09] | mkrufky: | ah, very cool |
| [22:49:45] | mkrufky: | microsoft was pushing that product about 2 years ago... i dont think it really took off though |
| [22:49:54] | phrozen77: | thats comming with gentoo-2.6.18-r2 |
| [22:50:19] | juski: | ooo archlinux hath mythtv packageth |
| [22:50:52] | nomin-: | ok, now it's doing stuff with zap2it. |
| [22:50:52] | Chicago: | mkrufky: Crestron is the company which makes them commercially... but I want homebrew. :) |
| [22:50:57] | nomin-: | :) |
| [22:51:09] | jams: | juski- yes it does, have not used them though |
| [22:51:28] | nomin-: | wow, it even gave me a subscritption until march |
| [22:51:55] | nomin-: | I didn't get this far last time. It's actually working now. |
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| [22:52:07] | Chicago: | mkrufky: Thanks for that help with my kernel and the ivtv drivers... I'm using the 2.6.18 and ivtv.8 now... and really like the granular control I have with v4l2-ctl |
| [22:52:25] | mkrufky: | hmm, i dont recall |
| [22:52:30] | mkrufky: | you're welcome, though :-D |
| [22:52:30] | Chicago: | in the v4l channel; |
| [22:52:35] | mkrufky: | i believe it |
| [22:52:37] | mkrufky: | im there a lot |
| [22:52:43] | jams: | juski, like gentoo it's a rolling distrobution. Meaning was it's installed you can simply update things as they are released |
| [22:52:45] | mkrufky: | ...and audio emphasis — tbh, i dont really know |
| [22:53:06] | jams: | guess debian is also like that |
| [22:53:13] | juski: | jams: sounds good, and despite maybe having to compile stuff I'm not put off |
| [22:53:14] | Chicago: | hehe... I just ordered new speakers so I can fully appreciate the time I spending tooling with the audio. |
| [22:53:15] | mkrufky: | Chicago: if you try qv4l2 , it is a graphical interface to all of those same controls |
| [22:53:25] | Chicago: | oh geez... I'll have to try that |
| [22:53:32] | mkrufky: | using that gui, it might be easier to tell what it is doing |
| [22:53:35] | jams: | you shouldn't have to compile much |
| [22:53:45] | juski: | I mean yeah if the frontend crashes but only takes like 20s to reboot, so what? ;) |
| [22:53:47] | Chicago: | I just found 'profuse' on gentoo which kicks but... I was looking for something like that to manage my USE flags for a long time. |
| [22:53:53] | mkrufky: | it's only in the v4l-dvb repo, atm ... unless distros have picked it up that im not aware of |
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| [22:54:19] | mkrufky: | i miss gentoo |
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| [22:54:31] | jams: | juski- i'm not using their init system, but arch does have a pretty fast boot |
| [22:54:32] | mkrufky: | i think i have to buy a new hard drive so that i can run every distro on my favorite machine |
| [22:55:03] | jams: | it's still under 30 seconds if I remember correctly |
| [22:55:03] | juski: | jams: you using initng or something else? |
| [22:55:14] | tcpsyn: | I'm trying to get mytharchive up and running, but I'm running into the problem with the recordpathprefix variable. I've read on some newsgroups that i have to add a value for recordpathprefix in the backend database, but I'm not sure what that format is. |
| [22:55:24] | ** caitlin gets fsck to run ** | |
| [22:55:25] | jams: | I tried to use initng, I really really wanted to use it. But it kept letting me down |
| [22:55:28] | tcpsyn: | xris, mythweb is badass btw. |
| [22:55:28] | caitlin: | **scared** :P |
| [22:55:31] | ** xris would like to remind people that MythTV doesn't accept donations, but for those who are feeling generous during the holidays, there are a number of good charities who will happily take your money. For instance, if you like MythWeb, you can support its author by donating to http://akilidada.org/ (I'm on the advisory council) ** | |
| [22:55:35] | jams: | i'm using runit |
| [22:55:37] | xris: | tcpsyn: thanks. :) |
| [22:55:44] | juski: | never heard of runit |
| [22:55:47] | tcpsyn: | its really, really sick. |
| [22:55:56] | jams: | I wouldn't use runit for a desktop, but for a mythbox its great |
| [22:56:15] | juski: | but I'm guessing it's a parallel-ised init-y thingy |
| [22:56:19] | Chicago: | xris: cool charity :) |
| [22:56:40] | jams: | juski- yes, and unlike initng its very simple and works |
| [22:56:50] | juski: | I like very simple :) |
| [22:57:05] | tcpsyn: | also I wanted to know if its possible for me to resize mythfrontend, or at least move it around the screen. |
| [22:57:22] | jams: | Arch uses bsd style, so it's also fairly simple |
| [22:57:47] | xris: | Chicago: started by a friend of mine from college. she somehow talked me into joining the advisory council. Hoping to make $3k by christmas so she can afford to support another student next year. |
| [22:59:00] | juski: | umbongo can do runit too – might be worth investigating, but the prospect of a much smaller footprint using arch or slack is _very_ inviting |
| [22:59:18] | juski: | anyway.. I have to get some sleep. friday tomorrow (yay!) |
| [22:59:21] | juski: | g'night |
| [22:59:38] | Chicago: | xris: Well, I made a small donation. Keep up the good work in mythweb. |
| [22:59:52] | mkrufky: | im going home, too ... goodnight all |
| [23:00:16] | xris: | Chicago: thanks. :) |
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| [23:00:34] | Chicago: | Welcome. |
| [23:00:43] | tcpsyn: | Anyone got an example of recordpathprefix? |
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| [23:01:58] | Chicago: | xris: I'd like to make a suggestion though about mythweb... perhaps you switch to commenting out the apache2 stuff in the .htaccess and set it up to default for apache1... I'm always commenting stuff out. Since mythweb uses PHP and apache2 doesn't do SSL with PHP stable... wouldn't it be better to do mythweb default for apache1? |
| [23:02:38] | xris: | Chicago: huh? |
| [23:02:53] | xris: | I've been running apache2 with SSL and PHP since fc1 and php 4.3 |
| [23:03:03] | xris: | for like 4 years |
| [23:03:16] | Chicago: | xris: Yes, but for years still php w/ apache2 w/ SSL hasn't been marked stable. |
| [23:03:21] | Chicago: | I'll try and verify with an official link. |
| [23:03:46] | xris: | Chicago: odd. shouldn't have a thing to do with PHP since SSL happens in a completely different layer. |
| [23:06:18] | Chicago: | xris: Here's something 4 years old about it... I'm going to keep looking for more current news though http://www.apacheweek.com/issues/02-03-01 |
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| [23:10:45] | xris: | Chicago: unfortunately, the vast majority of people setting mythweb up the first time are going to be using a recent distro that has apache 2 by default. |
| [23:10:53] | xris: | you can't even get apache 1 for fedora anymore. |
| [23:11:37] | nomin-: | cool, it's working now. |
| [23:11:56] | xris: | nomin-: :) |
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| [23:12:54] | nomin-: | one problem though |
| [23:12:57] | nomin-: | no audio |
| [23:13:14] | xris: | nomin-: v4l or ivtv card? |
| [23:13:46] | nomin-: | v4l. I think I have to set as record source and have the live audio muted. |
| [23:14:19] | xris: | nomin-: yup. it's covered in the official docs |
| [23:14:43] | xris: | there;s a section somewhere about the audio being out of sync while watching livetv, and gone when watching recordings. |
| [23:14:58] | nomin-: | the volume contols are a little different on ubuntu. I have to fuss with it. |
| [23:17:10] | xris: | someone should script out the generally-correct commands for amixer |
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| [23:23:13] | nomin-: | no need for commands. I just figured it out using audacity and a mic. |
| [23:26:05] | nomin-: | interesting, it's recording audio from the microphone. |
| [23:26:55] | xris: | nomin-: yup. you'll need a patch cable from your tuner card to record that audio |
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| [23:28:14] | tcpsyn: | my RecordFilePrefix is set to /mnt/movies |
| [23:28:19] | tcpsyn: | should that be a hostname? |
| [23:28:21] | tcpsyn: | I'm confused. |
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| [23:29:07] | caitlin: | heh, fsck put all the 73gig on my knackered drive into lost+found |
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| [23:29:12] | caitlin: | i guess i've shafted that then :p |
| [23:29:16] | nomin-: | xris: couldn't I just change the audio source in mythtv-setup? |
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| [23:31:35] | nomin-: | xris: I didn't need that while running mythtv on mandriva on this same computer |
| [23:31:58] | nomin-: | maybe I'll just run the audio chord into the microphone jack |
| [23:32:47] | Devn: | I use .lircrc and irxevent to control mythtv with my remote, but I just can't remove double toggle actions. I tried setting delay to something big and repeat to 0 in lircrc but it doesn't have any effect. Anyone know a solution to this? |
| [23:32:58] | nomin-: | that should work but I'd rather not do it that way |
| [23:34:59] | xris: | nomin-: if your card supports the btaudio, you can record from there. If not, you need the patch cable from the tuner card, since it doesn't allow audio into the computer any other way. |
| [23:36:09] | nomin-: | xris: does the patch cord lead to better audio quality? |
| [23:36:55] | xris: | nomin-: if you consider some audio better than no audio, then yes. |
| [23:37:18] | tcpsyn: | anyone use mytharchive at all? |
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| [23:47:20] | tcpsyn: | Muahaha. I got it. |
| [23:47:55] | nomin-: | xris: but tvtime plays just fine |
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| [23:49:52] | xris: | nomin-: then you probably get btaudio and just need to find the setting in mythtv-setup to use it. |
| [23:50:49] | nomin-: | yeah, looks like I need to set up the software encoders. |
| [23:51:00] | nomin-: | but I still don't know why it's recording from the mic |
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| [23:55:28] | xris: | nomin-: probably because that's where you told it go grab audio from... |
| [23:56:01] | nomin-: | xris: i have the option for /dev/dsp and /dev/dsp1 |
| [23:56:11] | nomin-: | could dsp1 be the line in? |
| [23:56:37] | xris: | nomin-: that's the processor. it should cover all of those |
| [23:56:40] | xris: | all of the ports |
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