Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Saturday, December 2nd, 2006, 00:00 UTC

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|Torg|:

GreyFoxx if it helps any strace tells me its stuck on a select

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Juski:

I mostly just visit there to keep the spam out these days anyway

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cornel1:

rukartic: Theoretically, there's a speed increase with two sticks, while memory on one is being accessed, the other can be set up for then next access. However, in practice, the speed increase is not that great.

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rukuartic:

cornel1: I figured... but two sticks looks more visually appealing than one anywas :P

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Zider:

cornel1: it was very noticable on my last system

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cornel1:

Really, Zider, congrats. All I've read indicates generally small increase.

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cornel1:

Hey again seth|home

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Zider:

cornel1: could be different on different cpus

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seth|home:

hey. my frontend won't load after then svn upgrade, segfaults

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cornel1:

Yes, and conceivably, a mobo could be designed to alternate banks, so "contiguous" memory would be on different sticks.

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|Torg|:

whats the signal to dump core?

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seth|home:

with this error

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seth|home:

SIP: Cannot register; proxy, username or password not set

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seth|home:

Segmentation fault

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|Torg|:

mythphone seth, turn it off

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seth|home:

ok, np how

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seth|home:

hehe

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seth|home:

make uninstall?

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Zider:

cornel1: wouldn't it be basically double speed tho? 800MHz instead of only 400?

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stuarta:

anyway, sleep required... night all....

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janneg:

stuarta: please wait

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seth|home:

night stuarta

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cornel1:

In theory

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cornel1:

Night stuarta

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janneg:

how do you get the process number

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rukuartic:

janneg: ps aux | grep <name of process>

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Juski:

here's another cartoon to print out & leave lying around at work: http://www.dilbert.com/comics/dilbert/archive . . . 0061120.html

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janneg:

rukuartic: that can give bogus results

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janneg:

pgrep would work too

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cornel1:

seth|home: you'd mentioned version .20a. All I'm finding is .20.0, that right?

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|Torg|:

janneg use pidof instead

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vaewyn:

Hello all... Having an issue with latest SVN... upgraded from .20 to SVN and now my PcHDTV card thinks it is recording... but a file is never created and nothing is written to disk (not even a 0 length file) any ideas? (-v record output at http://pastebin.ca/264025 )

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|Torg|:

#

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|Torg|:

2006-12–01 19:21:52.801 TVRec(8) Error: No valid DTV info, ATSC maj(16) min(1), MPEG pn(-1)

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|Torg|:

#

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|Torg|:

2006-12–01 19:21:52.801 TVRec(8) Error: Failed to setup digital signal monitoring

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|Torg|:

#

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|Torg|:

2006-12–01 19:21:52.801 TVRec(8) Error: Failed to setup signal monitor

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|Torg|:

thas the problem

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vaewyn:

|Torg|: All that info came via a normal channel scan... is it incorrectly setting it up then?

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|Torg|:

how did you scan the channels? and what source did you tell it?

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vaewyn:

scanned in mythtv-setup in the channel editor... everything appeared normal

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vaewyn:

have even rescanned attempting to fix the issue

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vaewyn:

(with wiped and redone card entry also)

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|Torg|:

did you run mythfilldatabase with datadirect info?

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vaewyn:

yep

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|Torg|:

go look at the channel defs, see if you have duplicates

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|Torg|:

if you did a fill import fgrom DD it wiped out your scanned

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vaewyn:

I did a scan.... exited mythtv-setup and ran mythfilldatabase

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|Torg|:

go look at your channels

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vaewyn:

look... js

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vaewyn:

appear to be fine... no overlaps/dupes and info seems correct

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|Torg|:

with freqs and pids?

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visit0r:

anyone had success of enabling the RTC synch method in Edgy without running MythTV as root?

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vaewyn:

sourceid=1 xmltvid=19655 channum=16_1 callsign=WNDU-HD name=WNDU-HD freqid=42 finetune=(null) videofilters=(null)

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vaewyn:

(example entry)

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vaewyn:

|Torg|: FYI... this didn't work even after the upgrade before any messing with the cards/scans/etc... and i don't think too much of this has changed since .20

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vaewyn:

am using the pchdtv in dvb mode... but that has always worked better than pchdtv mode

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cornel1:

How can I find out what version of mythtv I'm running?

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SlicerDicer-:

xris: are you here?

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GreyFoxx:

cornel1: mythbackend --version

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xris:

?

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|Torg|:

GreyFoxx I just svned version 12168 its still doing the upnp problem

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SlicerDicer-:

xris: am I just beind demented or is there some place I can look to find out why I am not able to stream recordings from mythweb?

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GreyFoxx:

Okie, if you can email me that dump it wouldbe most useful

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|Torg|:

ok I didnt dump it I said I could :)

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GreyFoxx:

I can use it to "replay" the traffic and cause it to happen

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|Torg|:

ill dump it now

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GreyFoxx:

thanks :)

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xris:

SlicerDicer-: you've never been able to stream from mythweb

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SlicerDicer-:

well I mean clicking on the videos allowed me to watch them :)

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cornel1:

Thanks GreyFoxx

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xris:

SlicerDicer-: that downloads.

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xris:

and what error are you getting?

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SlicerDicer-:

does not exist in the recordings directory.

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SlicerDicer-:

I am just trying to figure out where I need to modify to get it to know where :)

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xris:

SlicerDicer-: svn?

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SlicerDicer-:

not that I am aware of?

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SlicerDicer-:

hehe

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xris:

look in mythweb/data/

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SlicerDicer-:

I have my recordings in /myth/* for both recordings/videos

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xris:

(not via the web)

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SlicerDicer-:

recordings links to /var/lib/mythtv

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SlicerDicer-:

its all linking to /var/lib

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SlicerDicer-:

I guess that would be the problem eh?

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SlicerDicer-:

it should be linking to /myth/foo

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|Torg|:

hmm I set ulimit -c unlimited but its not producing a core with segv

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SlicerDicer-:

xris: cheers I got it

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xris:

SlicerDicer-: what was it?

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SlicerDicer-:

symlink was fubar

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xris:

ok

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xris:

cool

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SlicerDicer-:

it was linking /var/lib

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SlicerDicer-:

thats not where I hav eit

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SlicerDicer-:

I hav eit in /myth

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|Torg|:

ok, I got it damn shell

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cornel1:

My xbox has version .20 (I think, lots of files that end in 0.20–0.0) My master backend is version 0.19 (Library API version: 0.19.20060121–2) (knoppmyth) I've just installed the xbox, and can't get it to connect to the master database. I'm advised that that's because they are different versions. On the backend, I've tried apt-get upgrade --simulate and it shows all is up to date. I fear (literally) getting the source and b

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TTT_Travis:

hi I am having a problem with my mythtv setup, when watching a downloaded tv shows the lips go off sometimes

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TTT_Travis:

how can I assure they are always on

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TTT_Travis:

I figured maybe the computer couldn't keep up

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TTT_Travis:

maybe a soundcard would help?

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xris:

TTT_Travis: you shouldn't be watching downloaded tv shows in myth

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xris:

or at least, not talking about it here.

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TTT_Travis:

they're legal of-course

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xris:

TTT_Travis: not in the US, they're not, so we ask that people don't talk about such things here.

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TTT_Travis:

oh I see

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vaewyn:

umm... what about all the free CBS stuff and such... </devils advocate>

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TTT_Travis:

ok so I am playing a video file around 350mb and 42 minutes long

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xris:

vaewyn: isn't that DRM-protected WMV stuff?

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xris:

that doesn't work in linux?

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vaewyn:

not sure... plays fine with xine... and ffmpeg will transcode it

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Zider:

I assume the lipsync problem isn't just for "downloaded tv shows" but for video clips in general?

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TTT_Travis:

yeah dunno

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TTT_Travis:

just got a tip in #mplayer I will try

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xris:

TTT_Travis: anyway, if you're having AV sync issues with non-recorded tv, it's either a codec problem, or your computer isn't powerful enough to decode.

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xris:

vaewyn: interesting. nice to know, I guess.

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TTT_Travis:

xris which is why I was wondering if a soundcard might help

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TTT_Travis:

right now I am using onboard

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vaewyn:

and we can always talk about downloaded youtube stuff from askaninja and such :P

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TTT_Travis:

I will try what they suggested quick

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TTT_Travis:

brb

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Zider:

TTT_Travis: my onboard intel8x0 works fine

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Zider:

so it shouldn't matter much

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TTT_Travis:

thats what I use

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TTT_Travis:

ok

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xris:

vaewyn: you'd have to prefix that pretty carefully. a LOT of stuff on youtube isn't legal

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Zider:

homemade clips from youtube are legal, right?

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Dagmar:

Provided you keep all clips from movies, commercial music, and nine-year-old girls out of it

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vaewyn:

as long as they have shared them yes

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Zider:

nine-year-old girls per se isn't illegal, is it? I assume you refer to the more "erotic" ones?

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vaewyn:

heck... Lonelygirl15 scares me... but it's legal to share :P

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Dagmar:

Zider: Judging by the internet, that's the only way they get any attention

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Zider:

guess I've been lucky and not seen any of them then

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Zider:

only dressed ones, imitating britney spears or something

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Dagmar:

With snaggle-teeth

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Zider:

huh?

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vaewyn:

at least the 9 year olds really are 9.... if I see one more spam for "hot teen chicks" in their 30s I'm gonna puke

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vaewyn:

heck... if I see one more spam I'm gonna puke... strike that previous statement

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Dagmar:

Then use gmail

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vaewyn:

do...

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Zider:

gmail isn't spam free

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vaewyn:

it's closer than most

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vaewyn:

but still get 2–5 per day

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Zider:

well, that's more than I get

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Zider:

but still..

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Dagmar:

Zider: I get maybe two spams they don't catch in a financial Q

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Dagmar:

Man I get like 200–300 per day, but they all still wind up in the Spam folder

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vaewyn:

roaring penguin is pretty good too... but that is for larger self maintained email systems

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Zider:

my gmail spam folder is still empty

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Zider:

and the last non-filtered spam I got was two weeks ago

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vaewyn:

gmail rocks cause they have a HUGE training base... which I had that for where I admin

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Zider:

training base?

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kash:

i've got a computer with a software encoder, it's 667MHz and has 384MB of RAM.. would this be good as a slave backend?

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vaewyn:

Zider: all the people marking spam vs non-spam

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Dagmar:

Zider: THat "2.6gb of storage and climbing" stuff they're so proud of

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kash:

lol

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Dagmar:

At any given moment they've got more than a few terabytes of email to retrain bayesean filters on

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Zider:

vaewyn: ah the spam filter :P

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vaewyn:

hundred of thousands are a much better agregate than the 17k I have here

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kash:

ah come on.. be on-topic or help people while you're being off-topic.

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vaewyn:

hehehe

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vaewyn:

well.. someone can help me... I think I stumped |Torg| :P

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kash:

i'm being serious

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kash:

:p

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Dagmar:

If people are too lazy to ask questions, that's a level of lazy I feel is much better than the usual too lazy to read documentation

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Zider:

I don't have any useful help to give :P

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kash:

would a 667MHz/384MB system be ok

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Dagmar:

There we go. The usual "too lazy to read documentation.

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kash:

Dagmar: i'm in the middle of installing OSes and have done enough web searching thru lynx for a lifetime

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vaewyn:

kash: I have done a system like that before... don't plan on anything but .nuv with minimal compression

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Dagmar:

kash: That's in the howto. That won't be fast enough at all unless you're using a card that does hardware encoding for tuning

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kash:

crap

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Dagmar:

kash: Tough shit if you think you've already done "enough" web searching

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kash:

Dagmar: quit being a little bitch

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Dagmar:

I guarantee you've not done as much as I have

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Dagmar:

There is no point at which you become "exempt" from doing your own research. That's just lame.

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Zider:

a little female dog?

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kash:

xris: you here?

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kash:

Zider: yeah, they whimper and whine about stupid things.

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Zider:

not the female dogs I've met

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kash:

heh

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Dagmar:

Stupid things like no one answering a question that's in the first and primary piece of documentation associated with mythTV?

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vaewyn:

ok guys... so I'm gonna be on topic... upgraded .20 to SVN and my pcHDTV card (DVB mode) says it is recording.. but no file is created and nothing is written... pastebin at: http://pastebin.ca/264025

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kash:

Dagmar: shut your hole. seriously.

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Dagmar:

kash: Dont' breed.

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Zider:

Dagmar: yes! you're here to serve us! ;)

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Zider:

or something ;)

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kash:

Dagmar: go sterile.

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Dagmar:

Zider: I got no problem with helping people who have at least made an attempt to help themselves.

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vaewyn:

It's a good thing non of you are +o

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vaewyn:

hehehe

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Zider:

Dagmar: I was joking you know, the guy should learn to RTFM :)

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Dagmar:

...but to ask somethign that's covered in depth in the howto, and *whine* about it at the same time--it's just inexcuseably lazy.

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cornel1:

Any ideas on version? Or how to get knoppmyth to .20?

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kash:

Dagmar: why are you bitching about a simple question?

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kash:

i asked one question, not a slew that are answered.

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kash:

if you don't feel like answering, then go afk.

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Dagmar:

kash: Dude, because it's a *lame* question, and it really is covered in the HOWTO and the FAQ for the reason that people ask it 100 times a day otherwise

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kash:

:)

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Zider:

and btw, "667MHz" doesn't say much if you don't spec the cpu model

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Dagmar:

...and the answer is *real* simple.

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kash:

i don't see how a question is lame.

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Dagmar:

It

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kash:

Zider: Pentium III

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Zider:

ew.

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Dagmar:

That's ebcause you don't ever spend any time trying to help other people apparently

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vaewyn:

true... a 667 Mhz sparc would kick @#$ :P

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kash:

it's all i've got, besides a 4.1GHz system that can't run the backend.

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Zider:

a 667MHz c2d ;)

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sandeen:

yay... xvmc wasn't really working, now it is, now mythtv is watchable :)

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Zider:

sandeen: yay o/

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vaewyn:

sandeen: congrats!

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sandeen:

:)

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vaewyn:

|m|

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sandeen:

Load "extmod"

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** sandeen wonders if that's in a faq he forgot to read **

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Dagmar:

sandeen: No, but it is something that's automatically put in your xorg.conf if you use xorgconfig to generate it

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Zider:

how about that.. less than a minute reading the docs and I found how fast cpu (approx.) you need..

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Zider:

and no, I won't tell.

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Dagmar:

sandeen: ...but that's more likely the fault of the developers of your distro for trying to come up with a tool to replace one made by the devs of x

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sandeen:

Dagmar, i'm not sure how it got missed... :(

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Zider:

;)

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vaewyn:

heh... I actually saw a FAQ once that the first enty was Q: Was it really in this FAQ? A: Yes

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sandeen:

Dagmar, fwiw my fc6 box at home has all the modules loaded just fine

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sandeen:

i'm not sure how this fc6 xorg.conf got set up w/o it

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Dagmar:

[a-z]{2}[0–9] is why

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Dagmar:

;)

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vaewyn:

ok... if something was working in .20 and not in SVN should I just skip here and ask in the dev chan?

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kash:

Dagmar: feel like seeing me help people? go ahead and join the freebsd channel.

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Dagmar:

vaewyn: Generally you should just go to the bug report stage I suspect

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Dagmar:

Get it up on the dissection table while the affected code is still being beaten on, basically

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xris:

kash: ??

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vaewyn:

Dagmar: Hehehe... I've done that before... but Danielk gets antsy :P

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kash:

xris: what's up

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vaewyn:

Dagmar: and I want to keep him happy.. he fixes 90% of my hdtv issues :P

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Dagmar:

vaewyn: Well, if you can narrow it down to a specific set of criteria, you can always see if you can find another person who can independently verify that there's breakage. That should win you some points

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xris:

kash: you asked if I was here.

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kash:

oh

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kash:

wrons person

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xris:

oh, lol

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kash:

:p

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Dagmar:

vaewyn: there's nothing worse than getting bug reports for bugs that dont' exist, or that happen to Gentoo people. ;)

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vaewyn:

Dagmar: hehehe... Well... I do know that it is a bug.. and it does exist... just not sure if it is a version progression bug in the DB data... or a code bug

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kash:

hey juski :)

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vaewyn:

Dagmar: when VERY long runnign setups break without changing settings :P

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kash:

Juski: been happening to me more and more recently

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kash:

:(

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Dagmar:

vaewyn: Ahh... you might wanna do what I did then. Get *real* comfy with using the dump tool to backup your recordings data so you can blow the db away and start it fresh when you suspect something like that

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Igg-man:

Does anyone have poor luck getting the kworld atsc-110 to pick anything up?

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Juski:

tonight's recordings.. no seektables in them either. wtf?

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Juski:

time for mysqlcheck

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Juski:

aha. recordedseek is marked as crashed & should be repaired

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kash:

:o

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Dagmar:

Good lord how the hell did that happen?

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kash:

i dunno

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kash:

mine says the same

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Juski:

I found the box crashed today when I came home

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Dagmar:

Ahhh...

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Juski:

buckfuntu

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kash:

lmao

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Dagmar:

You don't have something like xris' old perl script doing a optimize/repair on each database before you start things up?

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Juski:

either that or the hdd power connector is still loose

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** vaewyn hands kash his ass back **

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Dagmar:

I got really paranid about that

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vaewyn:

you dropped that

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kash:

thqanks.

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kash:

thanks*

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Juski:

so – repairing the table then I guess mythcommflag --rebuild all

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Dagmar:

I know from past experience that having a box crash and then not eyeballing the database for sanity before you start up again is a good way to really screw things up

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Juski:

I have a nice backup regime

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vaewyn:

am glad debian started scanning all tables on mysql startup... has caught a TON of those for me

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Juski:

nightly db backups, then weekly tarballs, then monthly tarballs

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vaewyn:

(finicky power around here)

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Dagmar:

So you can back up corrupted databases?

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Dagmar:

Seriously, scribble up a bit (or "borrow" from someone else's init script) to make the init script that starts your mysql do a check before it starts things up

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Juski:

if recordedseek was the only thing that got hurt, it's fine

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Dagmar:

It only takes it about a minute to do it, tops, and it saves you this kind of hassle

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Juski:

I'll buy a new PSU tomorrow, and maybe a new HDD just in case

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Juski:

backed up the system in its current state before running SMART tests on the HDD

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vaewyn:

damnit... not just recording... livetv is screwed also grr.... (hadn't checked that yet because I don't use livetv hardly ever)

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Juski:

I know from last time I ran smart tests on a HDD.. found out it was within inches of failing, the box hung & I couldn't get stuff off it because the hdd had just ... died

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Juski:

that was my work pc though, so I wasn't too bothered

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Dagmar:

Juski: Loverly. I'm recovering my parents' HD now. Been at it for a week now.

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Dagmar:

There's nothing like manually picking through about 15,000 cross-linked files.

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Juski:

well, the price of 160GB disks these days...

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Dagmar:

I'm just glad they only had a 20Gb drive

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Juski:

infact I'm only using 20GB of this one here

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Dagmar:

Next time I go *straight* to the SMART tester.

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Zider:

I have nearly everything on discs already, and all systems are backed up on other machines

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Dagmar:

Window's chkdsk doesn't apparently handle failing disk conditions worth a damn

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Juski:

yeah well from my experience I don't run smart tests until I've got a backup

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kash:

i bought 8 500GB SATA drives for about 170 a piece

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Zider:

kash: 170 what?

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Dagmar:

Juski: I strongly suspect chkdsk is the *reason* I'm looking at 15,000+ crosslinked files

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kash:

USD

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Juski:

heh. even at over 2000fps this rebuild is gonna take a while

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Zider:

ah

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kash:

i wish it was yen

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kash:

:(

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Zider:

nice price

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Zider:

heh

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kash:

i would have bought a billion

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Dagmar:

kash: Holy crap man. Are you planning on just never deleting anything ever again?

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kash:

Dagmar: i have to delete some stuff still :P

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Juski:

time to check my local computer emporia prices

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Zider:

I could easily fill 8x 500GB

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kash:

i have 3.4TB in use

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vaewyn:

Dagmar: That's only 400hours of HD

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Juski:

are antec any cop then?

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Dagmar:

Damn I have a half tera and I just let stuff *expire* if it's been sitting around for more than two weeks without me remembering it's there

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Dagmar:

Juski: Antec is fine, actually

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kash:

i've been using mythtv for about 8 months

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Juski:

youch. £60 for a 380W PSU

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Zider:

I have currently 720GB total, and just waiting for dvdrs to arrive :P

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Dagmar:

vaewyn: I figure I have things to do (like go to the bathroom) than would preclue me having to keep two solid weeks of 24/7 TV watching around

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kash:

i record House, 24, Lost, Girls Acting Badly, THat 70's Show, Desperate Housewives (for me mum), Grey's Anatomy (ditto), Mythbusters, Dirty Jobs, South Park

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kash:

and random shows on the playboy channel

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Zider:

:P

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vaewyn:

Dagmar: I keep a lot on disk just because it is impossible to get most HD shows to fit at all on a DVD

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kash:

i could start a mini release group if i weren't into not going to jail XD

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Juski:

oo I can save over £10 by driving 6 miles

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Dagmar:

Most of the stuff I watch is science fiction, and I have the sci-fi channel.

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Juski:

Xilence.. who the fuck are they?!

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Juski:

wouldn't touch that PSU with yours, mate

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Dagmar:

...so I don't need to record it for posterity so much as simply make it hang around until I can watch it

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kash:

Dagmar: yeah, i recorded Basilisk and that's about 17GB

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Dagmar:

Juski: Cooler Master and TTGI are also pretty good

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Dagmar:

kash: They show most of this stuff at least once every two months. :)

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kash:

Dagmar: i save them for people that come over to my house that like the same shows

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Dagmar:

I think Basilisk has been on about five times since it originally aired this summer

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kash:

Dagmar: i recorded it because i knew i couldn't watch it all at once

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vaewyn:

I can't wait till I can get my machine to auto-transcode correctly to xvid... Then I have a prayer of dumping a couple of these shows to DVD

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Juski:

I could just chop the cables off I put proper molex crimps on instead of course

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__david:

hello, my computers crashed and lost power, and now mythtv will not start. When I try to restart it, it fails with error 1045, which (i think) is an invalid password error. If i log in with /usr/bin/mysql using the data in /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt, it works just fine. What could be the problem?

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Zider:

I want the scifi channel, but it's not available in sweden if you don't have a satdish, and then I think you even have to use a pirate card to get it.. so I'm stuck. :(

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Dagmar:

Juski: What, you've just got the wires twisted together or something?

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Juski:

Dagmar: no, the hDD power connector is a teeny bit loose I think

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Dagmar:

Juski: Ahh... I use tinfoil for stuff like that.

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vaewyn:

Zider: Arrrrrrggh Matey!

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Dagmar:

Yes, I know it's a house fire waiting to happen, which is why I entomb those in electrical tape if I gotta do that

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kash:

hahahaha

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Zider:

vaewyn: pff :P

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Juski:

it's ok to do that on low voltage stuff though ;)

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kash:

hot glue works better than electrical tape

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Dagmar:

...until you try to remove it

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kash:

Dagmar: touche

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Juski:

actually I might see if the local places do the xtraction tools

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Dagmar:

I'm definitely no stranger to the hot glue gun

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vaewyn:

Dagmar: The hot glue doesn't leave sticky nastiness behind though... even if it is harder to get off

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Dagmar:

I used to work at a build shop where one asshat customer insisted on requesting an incredibly cheap taiwanese case and then having us mail the machine to him via USPS

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kash:

it's not really harder to get off.. it's harder to get *out*

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Juski:

vaewyn: not unless you're unfortunate enough to hot glue something which is made of hotglue..

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vaewyn:

I want some more of that uber $$$ RTV tape I had... no sticky... but adheres to itself in a waterproof bond

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Dagmar:

Three times he sent it back to us because it didn't work, instead of opening the side and pushing the cards back down

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kash:

hahaha

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Dagmar:

The fourth time I pretty much dressed up the inside of the case like a family of hotglue spiders had made a nest in it. Problem solved.

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Juski:

__david: your filesystem might be corrupted

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__david:

Juski: should I run fsck?

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Zider:

Dagmar: "if at first you don't succeed, use more hotglue"

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Dagmar:

Zider: Five nine-inch sticks

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Juski:

__david: linux usually does that if it detects a problem I find

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Dagmar:

Those cards weren't going freaking anywhere without a big knife

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Zider:

or wa it a bigger hammer..

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** vaewyn slaps Zider for heresy **

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vaewyn:

Duct tape man...

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__david:

Juski: then what else could it be?

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Zider:

vaewyn: "heresy"?

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kash:

Dagmar: haha

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Juski:

__david: it could be that the quick check didn't find anything

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kash:

did he send it back requesting everything to be moves into a shuttle case?

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Dagmar:

It's very hard to get duct tape to hold PCI cards in their sockets

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vaewyn:

Zider: heretical actions

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kash:

it's 'hearsay'

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Zider:

vaewyn: oh

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vaewyn:

Dagmar: You're not using enough

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kash:

oh wait

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Zider:

kash: ;)

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kash:

yeah, heresy

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Zider:

I thought it was heracy or something

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kash:

Dagmar: lol

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Dagmar:

vaewyn: Oh I used enough hotglue, that's for sure. It was one can of silver/grey spray paint away from looking like an Escherware design

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kash:

does mythbackend do ok in a xenU?

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vaewyn:

Dagmar: You should have charged him extra for the case mod then :P

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kash:

i can imagine you joining the rubbermaid team and suggesting computer cases made out of glue

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Juski:

rubbermaid?!

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Dagmar:

They make unstoppable mailboxes, so that might be a future thing for the

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kash:

?

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Zider:

my old A4000 had a really nice solution.. one of the internal layers of the motherboard was broken, so it had to be slightly bended to work.. so I stuck an eraser and a backplane in the case, stuck it up with gaffa and viola..

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Dagmar:

m

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Juski:

I'm not gonna google that incast my wife finds out what I've been googling ;)

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Dagmar:

For some reason, rednecks like to joust with mailboxes around here

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vaewyn:

I always wondered why they didn't make snow fence out of the same stuff as hotmelt glue.. then just melt it into a blob for storage... re-extrude what you need at each place each year

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kash:

Juski: they make tupperware, silly

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Dagmar:

Rubbermaid makes these mailboxes that look like four-foot elongated apostrophes

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Juski:

oh

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Dagmar:

You just jam them into the ground, and no one swings a bat at them more than once

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kash:

i made a mailbox out of a mixture of steel and titanium

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Dagmar:

*boing*THWACKA*

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kash:

in machineist shop

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vaewyn:

Those rubbermaid ones hold up even better if you pour them full of cement before placing them :P

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kash:

some kid came by with a bat and swung, i heard a CRACK

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kash:

i came out and his arm was broken, shoulder dislocated, baseball bat smashed to bits

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kash:

:p

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Dagmar:

What a terrible shame

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kash:

ph indeed

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vaewyn:

You know... mailboxes need the "active armor" explosives

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vaewyn:

whack it hard enough and "BLLLLAMMM"

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Dagmar:

Yes, that's what we need. More postmen with a familiarity with explosive munitions.

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kash:

hahahaha

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Dagmar:

Much better thant he occasional shooting spree.

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vaewyn:

Does your postman whack it that hard? :P

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kash:

working at the post office would be very suspenceful

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kash:

i remember that movie, Jumanji, where the head hunter buys the bullets

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kash:

the gun shop guy looks at him and goes 'going postal, are we?

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kash:

'

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vaewyn:

It's the change they have to give... they started shooting people when it wasn't the easy 25 cents anymore "What the @#$#$ is the change for 5 37 cent stamps from a 5$ bill" *BLAM* BLAM *BLAAAM*

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kash:

hahaha

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kash:

stamps are expensive

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Dagmar:

I just wish they sold them more places

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vaewyn:

Nope... the are "correctly prohibitive" aka... use email :P

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Dagmar:

I have to buy them in rolls because I know it'll be months before I get around to going to an actual post office if I run out

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kash:

i don't have a post office around here

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kash:

closest one is in downtown Houston

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Dagmar:

I keep looking at the electric company bills and thinking to myself "how can these people be selling me electricity and still not know about ecommerce?"

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Zider:

I haven't bought stamps for.. hm.. over a year now..

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Zider:

nor used any..

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kash:

Dagmar: hopw much are your bills?

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kash:

how*

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kash:

on avg

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Dagmar:

kash: Maybe like $35–60 a month

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Dagmar:

I'm a HUGE fan of those little fluorescent bulbs

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kash:

:O

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kash:

i use those everywhere but i still pay $200 maybe

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Juski:

uhoh. mrs juski wants a lift home & it's 2.20am

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Dagmar:

The cost savings on them is nothing to sneeze at

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vaewyn:

Dagmar: Ours doesn't advertise it at all... but we called them and they are like "Ohh... sure we have that... we just email you the total and you can either pay via card on our website... or have it direct-withdrawed" we are like <crickets in the background> Umm... why don't you mention that ANYWHERE??!?

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Dagmar:

Juski: W00t! She's been drinking!

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kash:

before i switched to those bulbs, my bill was $500 at least

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kash:

:p

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Dagmar:

My apartment is also usually cave-like in darkness because I work graveyard shifts

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Dagmar:

Me and the day-star don't get along much

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kash:

ah

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Juski:

Dagmar: exactly ;)

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Juski:

so er.. don't wait up

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vaewyn:

hehehe... I live by 2 nuke plants.. my electric bill rarely hits 120$ and i am all electric in Michigan :P

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vaewyn:

(also geothermal but... :P )

[02:21:54]

vaewyn:

still electric :P

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Dagmar:

The HR people have this health form and one of the questions is "Do you avoid excessive exposure to sunlight, use sun blocker, sun shades?" and has a yes/no answer.

[02:22:21]

Zider:

HR?

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kash:

hr?

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Dagmar:

I had to actually recall my submission because they started hassling me about using sunblock as a part of their health improvement initiatives

[02:22:36]

Dagmar:

Human Resources

[02:22:39]

kash:

i think health regulation

[02:22:40]

kash:

oh

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vaewyn:

Dagmar: *checks yes and notes beside it "Am a vampire coder... what do you think?"

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Dagmar:

I'm like "I don't use those things because I am *never* out in the daytime if I can absolutely help it,"

[02:23:17]

Dagmar:

...so I said "no" to the question without giving it so much as a thought.

[02:23:19]

kash:

i'm pretty darque skinned

[02:23:26]

kash:

but i'm indian, so w/e :p

[02:23:39]

kash:

i have green eyes so women think i'm some tan white guy

[02:23:51]

kash:

it works :)

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Dagmar:

I can practicalyl provide my own illumination in nightclubs

[02:24:07]

Zider:

hehe

[02:24:08]

kash:

gahahaha

[02:24:12]

Dagmar:

I pretty much glow in a blacklight

[02:24:15]

vaewyn:

I'm what Wierd Al terms as "whiter than sour cream" :)

[02:24:17]

kash:

really? O_O

[02:24:29]

** vaewyn rocks out to White and Nerdy **

[02:24:31]

kash:

wow

[02:24:36]

kash:

i've never seen that before, Dagmar

[02:24:46]

kash:

i think you may be the only person in the world

[02:24:52]

kash:

go onto Ripley's

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Dagmar:

I also look *much* younger than I am. YAY lack of solar damage

[02:25:05]

kash:

Dagmar: how old are you?

[02:25:12]

Dagmar:

Old enough.

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** Dagmar grins. **

[02:25:23]

kash:

Dagmar: probably missing vitamin D also, unless you drink whole milk

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vaewyn:

Dagmar: usually that's because you have too much biological liquid on you... or so CSI would have us believe :P

[02:25:24]

kash:

:)

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kash:

HAH

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Dagmar:

I have pills for that.

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kash:

the bio liquid?

[02:25:51]

kash:

or the vitamin

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Dagmar:

No, for vitamins

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kash:

:P

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vaewyn:

phew

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vaewyn:

hhehe

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kash:

tehehe

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Dagmar:

I got enough sun when I was in my teens

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vaewyn:

I thought I might have found that spammer

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Zider:

I'm off to eat and sleep now (in that order).. boiboi

[02:26:28]

Zider:

*gone*

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vaewyn:

adious

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Dagmar:

I managed to even get a nice case of 65% second degree burns once

[02:26:49]

Dagmar:

There's nothing like having your entire upper surface covered in blisters

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Dagmar:

...especially when the peeling begins

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vaewyn:

Dagmar: No wonder you glow... you still have a halflife :P

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Dagmar:

Strangely, peeling your face off in one go doesn't entertain like it should. "Horrifying" was the word that was used a lot that day.

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Dagmar:

vaewyn: Well, one thing is for sure, not a single redneck was willing to f**k with what I told them to do at that show

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kash:

vaewyn: lol

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kash:

hahaha

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Dagmar:

I was one of six whole guys doing physical security at an event for about 5,000 people.

[02:29:01]

kash:

what do you do for a living?

[02:29:06]

Dagmar:

I stopped a stampede of hillbillies. :)

[02:29:26]

Dagmar:

Could have been the leather, but my face being blazing red and blistery probably didn't hurt

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Dagmar:

kash: At that point in time, I pretty much did odd jobs and short term stuff all the time because I liked change

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Dagmar:

I got sunburned planting all the rebar to put the fence up around the event

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Dagmar:

Now I do system/network administration and security

[02:30:57]

Dagmar:

I got real tired of the geeksploitation thing

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Dagmar:

Companies need to stop focusing on making machines that dont' produce much heat

[02:34:28]

Dagmar:

They should worry about whether or not they're producing heat _efficiently_

[02:34:34]

kash:

no they don't

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kash:

:p

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kash:

yeah..

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kash:

i love computers that make an air conditioned room go into the 90's

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Dagmar:

I just realized it's 34F outside, and a nice 75F in my lab

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kash:

(efficiently)

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Dagmar:

Heater hasnt' kicked in yet tonight

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kash:

it's 40 outside where i am

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kash:

i had to shut my window

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Dagmar:

It's almost the time of year when I can set my window intakes back up

[02:36:35]

Dagmar:

...to just suck cold air in from outside and duct it into my rack

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vaewyn:

Dagmar: nice rack

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vaewyn:

sorry... couldn't resist

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Dagmar:

heh

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Dagmar:

I've gotten that before. :)

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Dagmar:

Taggers will spray paint anything for you if you give them the right pharmaceuticals, including six foot tall racks

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vaewyn:

Hmm... well.. no one has a clue here.. and no one responds on dev... so... looks like it is time for a bug report

[02:38:21]

Dagmar:

vaewyn: Seriously. At least backup your database and flush the whole thing to an empty state and see if that sorts it

[02:38:35]

Dagmar:

That *might* be the problem, and if it sorts it that's something to report right there

[02:38:41]

vaewyn:

Dagmar: Done that in a side db... doesn't seem to...

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kash:

you could give taggers Tussin and they would do it

[02:38:50]

kash:

then chug the 8 oz. bottle and sit there while they trip

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kash:

:p

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kash:

3 days later they'll wake up in Arizona in a casino, but by gosh they will be able to breathe!

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Dagmar:

I didn't give 'em tussin. Too ghetto. :/

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vaewyn:

claritin heavy-D

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Dagmar:

That stuff is evil

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vaewyn:

bwahaha

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kash:

hahaha

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kash:

nyquil has everclear in it

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Dagmar:

What they *don't* tell you is that if yous top taking it, your allergies spend the next three days making up for lost time

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kash:

it's 80% alcohol

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Dagmar:

Um, no... 10% actually

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vaewyn:

I can't take the taste... I get the caplets :P

[02:40:32]

Dagmar:

Personally I'll drink Jaegermeister first

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vaewyn:

then only nasty if you chuck

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vaewyn:

and doubly so then

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kash:

i've grown accustomed to the taste

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kash:

it's easy to get drunk off of cherry (aka ASS) flavoured nyquil

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Dagmar:

There's also another, more ruthless way to go about it

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vaewyn:

benedryl :P

[02:41:27]

Dagmar:

I've still got a small stash of powdered DXM that (believe it or not) I have never, ever abused.

[02:41:32]

vaewyn:

2 of those and ZZzzzZZZZzzzz

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Dagmar:

No nasty flavor. I just mix it with kool aid in the right proportions if I get a cough

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kash:

i've got morphine

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kash:

i use it whenever i get shot in a gang fight.

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Dagmar:

I suppose I *could* mix it with Jaeger. I feel silly that just occurred to me

[02:42:52]

** vaewyn shoots kash to give him and excuse **

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vaewyn:

s/and/an/g

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kash:

guys, i don't beliueve in god, but could you pray for me?

[02:43:48]

kash:

:)

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kash:

i'm going to try to use FreeBSD as a xen0

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Dagmar:

I don't have the goats appropriate to that kind of supernatural beggary

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GreyFoxx:

Sweet, using a tcpdump from a 360 I can trigger another the mythbackend upnp 100% cpu usage problem

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kash:

'sweet dude'

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Dagmar:

GreyFoxx: You don't wanna use a packet generator against Myth then. Heh

[02:45:13]

Dagmar:

It, um, doesn't respond well to floods of crap over UPnP

[02:45:18]

GreyFoxx:

Well, I'm only concerened about what people are seeing now :)

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vaewyn:

well.. thanks for the help and conversations all... Night!

[02:45:37]

Dagmar:

Man was I amused to see it take the whole machine and crush it

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GreyFoxx:

fixed one problem,now this is another. Just booting a 360 on your network triggers it

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kash:

odd

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GreyFoxx:

but now that I can replicate it at will I can squash it :)

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** GreyFoxx transfers this to his work mythbox so as not to affect his home machines :) **

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briand:

greetings, all...

[03:10:43]

briand:

does anyone know of a wiki page (or other reference) that details which tables I need to backup in mythconverg to restore to my new mythtv box, to retain all my recording history, etc?

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robbins876:

When I run IRW i'm getting connection refused, i have restarted lircd several times... any ideas why my remote's not working?

[03:16:06]

GreyFoxx:

briand: My not the entire database ?

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GreyFoxx:

but fyi "oldrecorded" is your history I believe

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briand:

GreyFoxx: it's going on to entirely new hardware... so the configuration will be different, no?

[03:16:58]

GreyFoxx:

no

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GreyFoxx:

the only thing hardware specific is the capture card info

[03:17:16]

briand:

ah..

[03:17:19]

GreyFoxx:

so and even then only if you are using different cards

[03:17:30]

briand:

same cards, but using them differently (one of them)

[03:17:30]

GreyFoxx:

you can redo that in mythtv-setup but still retain everything else

[03:17:51]

briand:

the pundit is using the pvr-350's tv-out. the new box has an Nvidia FX5200

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briand:

ah, okay.. so simply restore the entire database, then run mythtv-setup and redo the card config...

[03:18:30]

GreyFoxx:

*nod*

[03:18:47]

briand:

ah, okay.. that makes things considerably easier, then. :)

[03:18:52]

briand:

appreciate the help. :)

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GreyFoxx:

np :)

[03:19:02]

briand:

i've been planning this upgrade for a while...

[03:19:12]

briand:

slowly amassing all the parts i needed.

[03:19:24]

briand:

black friday had a great sale on WD drives at best buy...

[03:19:46]

briand:

so, the new box has 1TB of /video now. ...for ~ $200

[03:19:56]

GreyFoxx:

nice!

[03:20:00]

GreyFoxx:

gotta love that

[03:20:14]

briand:

59.99 for a WD Ultra-ATA 7200rpm 250G drive.

[03:20:21]

briand:

two per customer at that price.

[03:20:30]

briand:

so, i brought a friend to stand in line. ;)

[03:20:47]

GreyFoxx:

heh I would grabbedseveral :)

[03:21:08]

briand:

well, available cash was a somewhat limiting factor as well...

[03:21:15]

briand:

still need to pay rent, etc. :)

[03:21:57]

briand:

the old box has 220G of /video space... and there's only ~9 hours of SD recording space left on it! The rebuild should give me a bit more wiggle room. :)

[03:23:24]

kash:

just lower the bitrate

[03:23:38]

kash:

i use 1900 but then i double the resolution

[03:23:48]

briand:

dang.. this is annoying. the sql backup won't run — says it "can't get CREATE TABLE for table `mythlog`

[03:23:51]

briand:

:sigh:

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kash:

for transcode i halve the resolution so it's still sexy + low space

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briand:

kash: that'd be an option on the new system, should space become an issue... not really on the old one, as i was using the pvr-350's tv-out — and it expects only mpeg2 files to play (yet another reason for the upgrade/change)

[03:25:36]

kash:

ah

[03:25:47]

kash:

if you're not going to use the PVR-350, send it to me

[03:25:56]

kash:

i'll send you back a card :p

[03:26:00]

kash:

my SAA7134 card

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briand:

heh.

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** kash wasn't kidding **

[03:26:24]

briand:

i'm putting the 350 and the 500 in the new box... still need the three tuners

[03:26:27]

kash:

i need to use a 667MHz backend and i need a hardware encoder for that

[03:26:29]

kash:

oh :(

[03:26:44]

briand:

and, perhaps, an HDHomeRun or two, later on down the road...

[03:26:47]

kash:

wouldn't the SW encoding one do the trick?

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briand:

no audio on those cards, though... so it'd be tying up my sound card, no?

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D-side:

well

[03:35:00]

D-side:

thats no good. why wont my mythtv box come back? :(

[03:35:25]

briand:

where did it go?

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linolium:

hello! I am trying to use mythtv without a capture card on my computer but it has an error: "Mythtv is already using all available inputs for the channel you selected. If you want to watch livetv cancel one of the in-progress recordings from the delete menu." Then I click "ok" and it just closes. Any idea how to get it to stop trying to show me a channel and just go to the main menu?

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wireddd:

why do you want to use mythtv without a capture card?

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linolium:

wireddd: I just want to use it as a media centre without any tv functionality

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briand:

sorta like using a Ferrari without an engine.

[03:37:28]

briand:

hiya xris

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xris:

evening

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linolium:

is it possible to run mythtv without the tv?

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xris:

linolium: sort of defeats the point, but yes, sort of.

[03:39:27]

GreyFoxx:

Lin: Sure, just don't run pick the TV menu options :)

[03:39:52]

linolium:

xris, GreyFoxx: any idea how to fix the error?

[03:40:13]

GreyFoxx:

where/when do you see it ?

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** xris logged in after the error was described **

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linolium:

right after I open it up

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linolium:

xris: "Mythtv is already using all available inputs for the channel you selected. If you want to watch livetv cancel one of the in-progress recordings from the delete menu."

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GreyFoxx:

linolium: After you open what specifically

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linolium:

GreyFoxx: DISPLAY=:0 mythtv

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xris:

linolium: run mythfrontend

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GreyFoxx:

don't run "mythtv"

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xris:

mythtv is just the tv viewer

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GreyFoxx:

what he said

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linolium:

ah

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briand:

sounds like you were trying to watch livetv .. and, as you said, you have no capture card(s)... so, all available inputs (zero of them) were in use.

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linolium:

okay, now that I have run mythfrontend it just shows me the blue-ish background, and if I press escape twice it asks me whether I want to quit, and if I click no then it just goes back to the background with nothing on it.. is this a related problem?

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briand:

GreyFoxx: okay, i fixed the missing table problem (restored it from an old backup). So, now just do a full sql dump and save it elsewhere, move the cards to the new machine, set up ivtv, lirc, and mythtv, then do a full restore on the database on the new machine, then run mythtv-setup, and i should be good to go, right?

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robbins876:

IRW connection refused... what causes this?

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robbins876:

lircd just keeps dying

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robbins876:

I put something in my trashcan then emptied it, but sadly, i need it back.. is there any hope?

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Zider:

what trashcan?

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robbins876:

KDE

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robbins876:

trash:/

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Zider:

ah, dunno then

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Shikkie:

should be recoverable if you're lucky

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Shikkie:

http://recover.sourceforge.net/linux/

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robbins876:

have you ever done this shikkie?

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joel_:

okay, now that I have run mythfrontend it just shows me the blue-ish background, and if I press escape twice it asks me whether I want to quit, and if I click no then it just goes back to the background with nothing on it.. does anyone know how to fix this?

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Shikkie:

me personally, no I've never deleted something that I still needed that wasnt' still backed up

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Shikkie:

but the files still sit on the hard drive until they are overwritten. all that deleting does is remove it from the filesystem lookup table

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robbins876:

It was just a chat log I had with anduin where he told me how to get my remote working... i think i should just seek help with that rather than creating an entirely new issue...

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robbins876:

anyone familiar with lircd and why irw keeps killing it?

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Shikkie:

robbins876, I bet there are chatroom logs of this room on the site or something.

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joel_:

robbins876: I think that means the /dev device it is looking for doesn't exist or has something wrong with it

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** Shikkie points at mythlogbot **

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robbins876:

It was actually a PM

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robbins876:

I'm sure Anduin's got them stored, he's just not around right now, I don't think

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Shikkie:

ahh, k nm

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Shikkie:

incidentally

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Shikkie:

http://mythtv.beirdo.ca/ircLog/channel/1/

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Shikkie:

and it looks like it's live updating. that is sweet

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robbins876:

that's pretty cool

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Shikkie:

question, what does commercial skip in auto-notify mode mean?

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Shikkie:

it doesn't seem to do anything for me

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Captain_Murdoch:

it just shows an OSD popup that tells you how long Myth thinks the commercial is rather than skipping it. if it looks like it detected correctly, you can hit Z to skip.

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Shikkie:

hmm. it never have done a popup for me

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robbins876:

What in the hell happened to my lircd?! What would cause it to suddenly quit working

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robbins876:

it has been functioning fine since FC6 came out, then all of the sudden it decides to not work anymore

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Shikkie:

robbins876, did you do any software updates via yum or anything?

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Shikkie:

also... lemme dig the url I want; one sec

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robbins876:

nope, i haven't

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robbins876:

it just quit wokring

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robbins876:

actually, i did do an update, i think

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Shikkie:

run /usr/bin/irw

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Shikkie:

in a console

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Shikkie:

and press buttons on the remote

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Shikkie:

to see if it's even getting the stuff

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robbins876:

connect: Connection refused

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Shikkie:

hmm

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robbins876:

lircd is dying seconds after i start it

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Shikkie:

ahhh

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Shikkie:

any errors in /var/log/messages from lircd?

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robbins876:

Dec 1 21:42:43 backend lircd-0.8.1-CVS[3452]: accepted new client on /dev/lircd

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robbins876:

Dec 1 21:42:43 backend lircd-0.8.1-CVS[3452]: could not get file information for /dev/lirc

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robbins876:

Dec 1 21:42:43 backend lircd-0.8.1-CVS[3452]: default_init(): No such file or directory

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robbins876:

oops, i didn't mean to paste that

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Shikkie:

did you follow the mythtv setup for FC6 using the rpms and stuff or did you compile everything?

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robbins876:

i used rpms

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robbins876:

and i used wilsons guide

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Shikkie:

ok.

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Shikkie:

I'm thinking now, maybe you updated your kernel and the lircd version doesn't match your kernel?

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robbins876:

for sure

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robbins876:

i think

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Shikkie:

try and see if you can update those rpms

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robbins876:

yum -y install lirc-kmdl-$KVER finds nothing, so that's what i was initially thinking

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Shikkie:

actually

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Shikkie:

well, $KVER is an empty string for me

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Shikkie:

I actually did

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Shikkie:

rpm -qa kernel

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Shikkie:

and used the newest version of the kernel I have installed for $KVER

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robbins876:

2.6.18–1.2849.fc6

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robbins876:

is that what i put in place of the $KVER?

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robbins876:

or

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robbins876:

kernel-2.6.18–1.2849.fc6

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Shikkie:

just 2.8.18xxxxxxx

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robbins876:

alright

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Shikkie:

s/kernel//

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robbins876:

maybe i'll just switch back to that older kernel

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robbins876:

for the time being

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Shikkie:

actually yea

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robbins876:

wait, it found that file

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Shikkie:

try that, use grub to boot into the older kernel

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robbins876:

what should i do now that it's installed the proper file?

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Shikkie:

try /sbin/service lircd restart

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robbins876:

looks like IRW is still causing problems

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robbins876:

i'm going to reboot into the old kernel

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robbins876:

brb

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Shikkie:

or start... I'm not sure if you might want to have removed the old kernel lircd rpm or not....

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robbins876:

I hate kernel updates... I never realize that I've updated the kernel until i've messed up everything!

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Shikkie:

hehe

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Shikkie:

I'd suggest not updating anything unless you have to have to

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robbins876:

for sure, i dont' even know why i did

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Shikkie:

I'm behind a few firewalls running encrypted wireless w/ ridiculously long passwords.

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Shikkie:

my production jabber server at work I'm less careful about updating

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Shikkie:

since it's just the base distro I'm not afraid to yum -y upgrade

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Shikkie:

but mythtv and everything is so 3rd party..... it's scary

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imperfect-:

Is there _ANY_ way to get myth to buffer my recordings so I can I watch them over the network without prebuffering pauses?

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robbins876:

third parties make linux great... third parties make linux unbearable

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Shikkie:

robbins876, just about

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Shikkie:

imperfect-, I wish I knew how to even get it going over the network. I want to setup a frontend on another box but so far no joy

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imperfect-:

I've got it going just fine

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imperfect-:

its just too choppy to watch

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Shikkie:

imperfect-, what network type? wired wifi etc?

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imperfect-:

wires/wifi

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imperfect-:

whgatever i try

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imperfect-:

prevuffery goodness

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Shikkie:

I'm not suprised it has to buffer, should be a way to adjust the buffer though

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Shikkie:

where in the frontend setup can I tell it the backend for recordings etc. is on another box

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robbins876:

shikkie: recordings should be fine by itself, videos have to be mounted in the same place as on the backend on the frontened

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Shikkie:

so my backend has a lvm mounted as /mythtv for the data storage

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Shikkie:

my frontend would need an nfs or smb share mounted as /mythtv ?

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robbins876:

yep

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Shikkie:

the frontend box (this one) keeps complaining about the backend is not running which makes me think something's still not right

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robbins876:

have you named the backend with a physical address as oppsed to just 127.0.0.1?

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Shikkie:

the backend has a hostname of mythbox and a static ip

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Shikkie:

on the db config section of the frontend I have the info to the backend mysql db

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robbins876:

by the way, changing back to this old kernel hasn't changed a thing

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Shikkie:

hmm

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Captain_Murdoch:

Shikkie: in the mythtv-setup, did you use IP addresses where it says or did you try putting a hostname in anywhere?

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Captain_Murdoch:

is the backend listening on the right port on your system.... are you running any iptables/firewall rules that would block access...

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Shikkie:

i just realized something.... the acct is only for localhost on the sql server

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Shikkie:

lemme try fixing that

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Captain_Murdoch:

that would make a difference, but it should have printed out an error message on the frontend if it couldn't access the DB.

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Shikkie:

just that it couldn't connect

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Shikkie:

no specifics

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Shikkie:

there we go

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Shikkie:

that was what it was

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Ediehow:

hi, i switched to opengl mode for

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Ediehow:

mythfrontend and i get a bunch of

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Ediehow:

fglX11AllocateManagedSurface: __FGLTexMgrAllocMem failed!

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Shikkie:

that's probably beyond anything I know about fixing :(

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Ediehow:

it looks like it may do better if i add videoram line in xorg.conf

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Ediehow:

but i wonder how much ram i have?

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Ediehow:

"ATI Technologies Inc RV370 5B60 [Radeon X300 (PCIE)]"

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Shikkie:

should be able to look up that model # of card to see the specs on it

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Shikkie:

and it would maybe depend on the manufacturer of the card as it may not be made by ATI, but just using the ATI chipset

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Ediehow:

yeah, it's a dell e150

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Ediehow:

e510

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Shikkie:

ahh, ok

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Ediehow:

hmm

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Ediehow:

http://reviews.cnet.com/Dell_Dimension_E510_D . . . ag=pdtl-list

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Shikkie:

look on your invoice for it, it should list the memory on the video card for the box you ordered

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Ediehow:

is there any other way to determine?

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Ediehow:

like through software in linux?

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Shikkie:

at least I believe that's what the videoram item in xorg.conf would be for

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Captain_Murdoch:

try "lspci -v"

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Captain_Murdoch:

and the X server log in /var/log/Xorg.0.log or whatever it is should tell you what it found.

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Ediehow:

(--) fglrx(0): VideoRAM: 32768 kByte, Type: DDR SGRAM / SDRAM

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Ediehow:

I sure hope that's not accurate

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Captain_Murdoch:

could be one of those cards that shares system memory that is configurable via the bios.

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Ediehow:

yeah, that's what i am thinking

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Captain_Murdoch:

check lspci

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Ediehow:

hmm, so i wonder what i should set in xorg.cong

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Ediehow:

it's definitely in a card slot

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Ediehow:

01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RV370 5B60 [Radeon X300 (PCIE)]

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Shikkie:

if it's in a slot... would it share system memory?

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_lose_thegrim:

Hey guys, my GF just bought me a ATI Theatre 500 Pro card for my birthday... Not having much luck finding info on it. Please tell me I don't have to give her bad news! =)

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_lose_thegrim:

550 rather

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Ediehow:

Shikkie: i wouldn't think so

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Ediehow:

brb

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Captain_Murdoch:

don't think so, and also doubt a pci express card (if it is one) would only have 32MB of memory on it).

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Ediehow:

poop

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Ediehow:

i am still getting that error with mythfrontend

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Shikkie:

yea...

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Ediehow:

fglX11AllocateManagedSurface: __FGLTexMgrAllocMem failed!!

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Ediehow:

(--) fglrx(0): VideoRAM: 32768 kByte, Type: DDR SGRAM / SDRAM

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Ediehow:

(WW) fglrx(0): Option "VideoRam" is not used

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Ediehow:

ahh

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Ediehow:

hmm

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Ediehow:

using videoram option seemed to fix this problem for osmoene else

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Ediehow:

oh

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Ediehow:

it's not an option

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robbins876:

Man I wish anduin would shwo up and e-mail the logs I need

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Ediehow:

man that stinks

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Ediehow:

fglX11AllocateManagedSurface: __FGLTexMgrAllocMem failed!!

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Ediehow:

i don't get it, glxinfo says drm is working

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Ediehow:

this seems specific to mythfrontend

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Ediehow:

glxgears works

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kash:

so i'm ok

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echosyp:

anyone want to help me out

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echosyp:

just have a few questions about hardware

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echosyp:

firstly, are there any USB tv-tuners supported by mythtv

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kash:

google

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kash:

dummy

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echosyp:

my connection is poor atm

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echosyp:

i have irc

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echosyp:

and thats bout it

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Captain_Murdoch:

pvr-usb2 (not the original, the 2)

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echosyp:

does that have hardware encoding?

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Captain_Murdoch:

yes

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echosyp:

sweet

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Captain_Murdoch:

I think there may be a few others as well, but not sure. there is a HD network-attached tuner (well, actually has 2 tuners in the box)

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echosyp:

that would be cool

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echosyp:

idealy im looking for something with mp4 encoding

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echosyp:

i have limited HD space

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Captain_Murdoch:

the Plextor ConvertX does MPEG-4, Myth grabs the mpeg4 and sound from the convertx's dsp and puts them into a .nuv file.

[05:55:56]

Captain_Murdoch:

it's usb 2.0.

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echosyp:

im gonna be setting up a Laptop (2.8Ghz) to run MythTV and ftp/http/smb the files for network access

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echosyp:

laptop is a pos though

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Captain_Murdoch:

my fastest backend is a P3–700, records 3 SD streams via ivtv and doesn't break a sweat. slower slave backend is a P3–550 and records 2 HD streams without any problems.

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Captain_Murdoch:

the only issue with the Plextor is that the audio is compressed in software, the video is compressed in hardware.

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kash:

Captain_Murdoch: HW encoders?

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Captain_Murdoch:

yes

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kash:

aw

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kash:

:(

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Captain_Murdoch:

no need for multi-gigahertz machines if encoding is done in hardware. now you want those gigahertz when flagging commercials or transcoding, but I do that on another dedicated JobQueue server.

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Captain_Murdoch:

and HD is pre-encoded, so not even encoding in hardware there, just practically streaming off the antenna to the disk.

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kash:

yeah

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kash:

i know

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kash:

i've got a 667MHz box i'd like ot use as a backend

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kash:

but it's got a SW encoding card

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Captain_Murdoch:

you could do maybe 352x480 on that if you wanted if that's all it was doing.

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kash:

kinda small

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kash:

:o

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hatredx:

whats the point, turn it off and go watch cable =p

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echosyp:

so

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kash:

i couldn't do like 480x480?

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Captain_Murdoch:

I used an Athlon 700 as my master backend for a while with a bt878 WinTV Go card.

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echosyp:

what about 1024 . 768

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echosyp:

x

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Captain_Murdoch:

kash, possible, but not sure.

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kash:

hm

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kash:

480(2) isn't great either

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kash:

but it's television size

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kash:

:p

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echosyp:

well, i want to be able to record high def, and watch something else

[06:15:39]

echosyp:

and this laptop (2.8Ghz) is what im going to use for this adventure

[06:15:40]

kash:

two tuners

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Captain_Murdoch:

with a high enough bitrate and a clean signal, 352x480 looks decent, unless you're trying to watch it on a 40 inch screen or something. :)

[06:15:57]

echosyp:

yeah

[06:15:58]

echosyp:

well

[06:16:07]

echosyp:

im getting a 52" widescreen lcd

[06:16:08]

echosyp:

:-/

[06:16:26]

Ediehow:

can i change the theme on mythfrontend through command line?

[06:16:35]

Captain_Murdoch:

echosyp: only way you can do HD on that laptop is with the HDHomerun box which records via the network. no HD over USB2 that I know of.

[06:16:37]

Ediehow:

or some other way except through mythfrontend?

[06:16:39]

Ediehow:

other than

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kash:

is there HD over firewire

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echosyp:

damn, i wish my sister would quit hogging the bandwidth

[06:17:18]

echosyp:

wanch

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Captain_Murdoch:

Ediehow: mythfrontend -O theme=blue

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Ediehow:

thx sir

[06:17:28]

Captain_Murdoch:

sorry, need caps on that "theme"

[06:17:32]

Captain_Murdoch:

Ediehow: mythfrontend -O Theme=blue

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Ediehow:

i don't get why i can't use gl

[06:17:51]

Ediehow:

Captain_Murdoch: i change from qt to gl

[06:17:51]

Captain_Murdoch:

"Theme" is the setting in the DB. -O says "override this setting with this value"

[06:18:01]

Ediehow:

now i can't change it back:(

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echosyp:

what do you mean it records via the network?

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Captain_Murdoch:

oh, then you want "mythfrontend -O ThemePainter=qt"

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Ediehow:

thx:)

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echosyp:

sorry, i can't google atm

[06:18:22]

Ediehow:

Captain_Murdoch: do you know why it keeps giving me this error ONLY for mythfrontend?

[06:18:26]

Ediehow:

fglX11AllocateManagedSurface: __FGLTexMgrAllocMem failed!!

[06:18:32]

Captain_Murdoch:

echosyp: the HDHomerun is network-attached, it has 2 HD tuners inside it and Myth records off of them via the network.

[06:18:46]

Captain_Murdoch:

Ediehow: no, not that much up on GL stuff.

[06:18:50]

echosyp:

ok

[06:18:51]

echosyp:

cool

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echosyp:

is it going to be a problem using a regular 100Mbps router

[06:20:24]

echosyp:

well, i guess i have a gig switch i could use

[06:20:47]

Captain_Murdoch:

max byterate on HD is 2.4MBytes/sec, so 100Mbit is more than enough.

[06:20:59]

kash:

unless you use something crazy

[06:21:03]

kash:

like WUGXYVGA

[06:21:14]

kash:

then it takes about 30MB/s

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Captain_Murdoch:

what does that matter, it's a compressed MPEG-2 stream

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kash:

:)

[06:21:31]

echosyp:

its mp4 :(

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Captain_Murdoch:

max HD is 1920x1088 at ~19.2Mbit/sec.

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echosyp:

mpeg-2 i mean

[06:21:44]

Captain_Murdoch:

HD is MPEG-2

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kash:

Captain_Murdoch: WUGXYVGA is higher resolution than HD

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kash:

it's like 3268x2800

[06:22:13]

Captain_Murdoch:

unless you're in some place like the UK where they're testing MPEG-4 over DVB-T I believe.

[06:22:27]

kash:

they don't even make monitors that support that

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echosyp:

no, im in US, texaa

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Captain_Murdoch:

kash: and that doesn't matter one bit if the max ATSC HD size is 1920x1088

[06:22:36]

kash:

the only ones that do are the 30" apple cinema display

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echosyp:

texas

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kash:

echosyp: me too

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kash:

it's snowing here

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echosyp:

yeah

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echosyp:

it snowed here yesterday

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echosyp:

where at in texas?

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kash:

spring

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kash:

30m north of houston or so

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echosyp:

ah

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echosyp:

im in lubbock

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kash:

lubbock?

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echosyp:

...

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echosyp:

are you telling me youv never heard of lubbock?

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kash:

i dont know who that is

[06:27:18]

kash:

where*

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Ediehow:

i have

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Ediehow:

but

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Ediehow:

i live nearby;)

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echosyp:

how near?

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Ediehow:

next state:)

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echosyp:

oh

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kash:

lol idiot

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kash:

:)

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echosyp:

oklahoma?

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Ediehow:

galveston is nce

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Ediehow:

nice

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kash:

i'm from India so i don't know texas geography

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echosyp:

new mexico?

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Ediehow:

newp

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Ediehow:

newp

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braniff:

on gentoo, should i use kde or gnome for mythtv ??

[06:28:25]

echosyp:

gnome is a better bet for anything id say

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echosyp:

but thats just me

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echosyp:

do you guys use beryl?

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braniff:

i'm trying to decide whether to "emerge gnome" or "emerge kde" on my new gentoo install...

[06:29:09]

kash:

use xfce

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kash:

:p

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echosyp:

fluxbox!

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echosyp:

ftw

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kash:

stupid texan

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kash:

xfce ftw

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Captain_Murdoch:

echosyp: I would if NVidia would fix that memory bug in their driver that makes it run out of vram.

[06:29:54]

echosyp:

what memory bug?

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echosyp:

and don't even try an ATI card with beryl

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echosyp:

not worth the effort

[06:30:31]

echosyp:

i have an nVidia in my desktop and it works great

[06:30:39]

Captain_Murdoch:

search for "black window beryl"

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echosyp:

oh

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echosyp:

ok

[06:30:53]

echosyp:

no, i know what your talking about now

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Captain_Murdoch:

works fine on cards with lots of memory or older cards, but some newer cards with only 256MB can't use it

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echosyp:

"only"

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echosyp:

heh

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echosyp:

i wonder if i could use beryl with MythTV

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echosyp:

iv not setup my mythbox yet so idk anything about it

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echosyp:

im moving the next few days, once i get situated, i'll set it up

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echosyp:

should be sweet

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echosyp:

ok, my next question is this

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echosyp:

having a tv tuner, is there software you can use to descramble signals

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echosyp:

and effectively not pay for some channels

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echosyp:

:)

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Captain_Murdoch:

we don't discuss that in in the mythtv* IRC channels or mailing lists.

[06:37:23]

echosyp:

but is it possible

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kash:

no

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echosyp:

forget it

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Captain_Murdoch:

won't say it is or it isn't. will say the devs (myself included) don't want anyone knocking on our doors.

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kash:

and you're an idiot for asking

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echosyp:

if you say so

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Captain_Murdoch:

especially in a logged channel that is google-searchable. :)

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kash:

the only legit thing i could think of a use for that would be to skip the set-top directv box and have the computer do the decode work

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kash:

that way you could skip the serial cable and stuff :)

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echosyp:

exactly

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ilan:

hey

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Chicago:

Anybody know where I can find the media-tv/linuxtv-dvb-headers-hg ebuild for Gentoo?

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eiggirC:

Gidday all – I've updated my laptop, and mythtv seems to be setting the colours all weird... people look blue in video playback. Before I run mythtv then apps like xine play okay, but afterwards xine suffers the same smurf-blue people look. If I disable XV with the NO_XV environemnt variable, the colours are fine. How can I fix this permenantly, and have XV on?

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eiggirC:

the only way to clear the blue colouring is to restart X

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stuarta:

sounds like one of those weird color thingies daniel keeps fixing

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stuarta:

this svn head?

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eiggirC:

I'm still on mythtv 0.19, and the video card is an ATI radeon IGP 340M

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eiggirC:

no not svn sorry

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Captain_Murdoch:

there's a setting in the frontend something like "use xv picture controls". try turning that off if it is on.

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eiggirC:

Captain_Murdoch: done that – makes no difference

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eiggirC:

actually – you have a point

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eiggirC:

I might not have restarted X after that change

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eiggirC:

BBS

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eiggirC:

Captain_Murdoch: You rock dude – that worked!

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eiggirC:

thanks heaps :)

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stuarta:

what! when did England remember how to play cricket!!!!

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tcpsyn:

Hello.

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xris:

tcpsyn: most of us hang out in both channels. just like to keep stuff on topic.

[09:08:31]

tcpsyn:

understandable.

[09:08:44]

tcpsyn:

All I have is composite video sources listed in mythtv.

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tcpsyn:

I imagine if I cant get the video to work with something like tvtime, it won't work in mythtv

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xris:

first, get the card working properly in something like xawtv (assuming that it's a frame grabber card)

[09:09:13]

tcpsyn:

with the source set to composite1 I'm just getting snow.

[09:09:34]

xris:

what's the card plugged into?

[09:09:40]

tcpsyn:

coax cable

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stuarta:

what's on the end of the cable

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xris:

tcpsyn: so why are you trying to grab from composite?

[09:10:14]

tcpsyn:

TV Wonder 200 on a gentoo box

[09:10:22]

tcpsyn:

composite is the only option

[09:10:27]

tcpsyn:

composite 1–4

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tcpsyn:

composite 1 gets something... the rest are black.

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xris:

tcpsyn: what frequency tables are you using?

[09:11:26]

tcpsyn:

I have no idea

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tcpsyn:

I just installed tvtime and ran it

[09:11:43]

tcpsyn:

in mythtv-setup I get the same options

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xris:

should have options somewhere (I'm more familiar with xawtv)

[09:11:59]

tcpsyn:

I'm installing that now.

[09:13:08]

tcpsyn:

I appreciate your trying to help.

[09:13:53]

tcpsyn:

xawtv gets snow as well

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tcpsyn:

and it only shows composite1–4

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xris:

right-click

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tcpsyn:

ok

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xris:

should be options to change frequency table (us-bcast, us-cable, etc)

[09:15:29]

tcpsyn:

Nope.

[09:16:00]

xris:

I know it's there somewhere.

[09:16:00]

tcpsyn:

Audio, Full Screen, Grab Image, Record Movie, Channel Window, Launcher Window, Channel Hopping, Stay on top, tv norm, video source, capture..

[09:18:15]

stuarta:

aren't composite in's for things like video cameras?

[09:18:33]

tcpsyn:

www.lukemacneil.com/xawtv.png

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tcpsyn:

thats the screenshot

[09:18:42]

tcpsyn:

Those are the only options I get.

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xris:

tcpsyn: only thing I can think of is that your card is somehow getting detected wrong by the OS.

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tcpsyn:

cx88[0]: card=20 -> Provideo PV259

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tcpsyn:

cx88[0]/0: registered device video0 [v4l2]

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xris:

tcpsyn: you may just have to wait until tomorrow when more people are awake.

[09:20:02]

tcpsyn:

ok

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tcpsyn:

thank you

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juski:

morning

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Saviq:

yello

[10:30:23]

stuarta:

morning

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juski:

morning stuarta

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stuarta:

for some odd reason i was up at 8am

[10:35:04]

juski:

shopping for a new PSU today

[10:35:28]

stuarta:

can recommend seasonic s12

[10:35:31]

juski:

I had a decent lie in til 10am. that used to be what I'd call early

[10:36:04]

stuarta:

doesn't use those crappy power connectors

[10:36:13]

juski:

hrm my minimum recommended PSU is 260W, peak :)

[10:36:52]

stuarta:

which can be a bit troublesome on video cards which expect the crappy one

[10:37:04]

stuarta:

but apart from that 600W of near silent power!!!!

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juski:

my local place doesn't do seasonic

[10:37:19]

stuarta:

i don't buy anything local.

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juski:

the only makes I've heard of that they do are antec & tagan

[10:37:39]

stuarta:

order today, should have it tue.

[10:37:52]

stuarta:

believe I got mine from overclockers.co.uk

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juski:

seasonic are good

[10:38:13]

juski:

I evaluated a few of theirs for work

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juski:

rejected on cost grounds :-P

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stuarta:

you get what you pay for :)

[10:38:43]

juski:

FSP make a nice hefty quiet PSU though

[10:40:46]

stuarta:

my psu fan sits on 750rpm...

[10:40:56]

juski:

heh

[10:41:10]

juski:

only about 50 squids too. seems like a better deal than the local place

[10:41:16]

stuarta:

only just makes it to 1000 when I really hammer it.

[10:41:38]

juski:

prolly more efficient than the Tagan currently in there too

[10:42:15]

juski:

so I'll save money on the lekky bill :) might pay for itself in 10 years – if it lasts that long

[10:44:18]

juski:

wooo liking the fact they actually have proper specs aswell

[10:44:41]

stuarta:

which one you looking at

[10:45:14]

juski:

S12–430

[10:46:52]

stuarta:

ah yeah 430W version :)

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juski:

the thing that always worries me is the combined 3v3 & 5v rail output

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juski:

athlon motherboard typically take the 3v3 rail & use that for the cpu core voltage

[10:48:32]

eiggirC:

kash: no – it was red tones --> blue tones in the picture... so people looked blue skinned. However white and black were unchanged. Green went to purple, etc. Was like a photo negative in the colours but black and white were unchanged. Its all sorted now.

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juski:

eiggirC: hue

[10:49:04]

juski:

phase shift of the colour subcarrier ;)

[10:49:22]

juski:

that's why PAL owns NTSC – that can never happen :)

[10:51:14]

juski:

on Intel boards, they use the 4-pin ATX connector (12v) and regulate that down to Vcore. still, a 2000XP is reckoned to take 'only' 65W peak, so I should be fine on that score so long as I can keep the total 5V power down below 90W. I think the 430W supply will be more than ample

[10:52:36]

stuarta:

am more than happy with mine...

[10:53:01]

juski:

I'll put the Tagan in my windows machine when I get it

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juski:

left my box rebuilding all my seek tables last night

[10:53:49]

juski:

the crash yesterday had broken recordedseek

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stuarta:

shouldn't have taken that long...

[10:54:29]

juski:

you seen how many recordings I've got? even at about 2000fps it took a while

[10:54:46]

stuarta:

like me, about a weeks worth.

[10:55:14]

juski:

took a few hours

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juski:

anyway my backups now have a spanky database in there

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juski:

oh shit

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juski:

the HDD light is on solid again

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Juski:

hahaha

[10:57:36]

Juski:

juski@mythback:~$ top

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Juski:

-bash: /usr/bin/top: Input/output error

[10:58:01]

stuarta:

ahah! found something that might explain the wow that happens when watching recordings sometimes.

[10:58:21]

Juski:

wiggled the HDD power connector & it's back online

[10:59:03]

stuarta:

drops frames to catch up, then the video is ahead of audio, so the video is doubled to resync it...

[10:59:23]

Juski:

that sounds awfully familiar

[10:59:50]

stuarta:

trying to test some tweaks to the dynamic ringbuffer.

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stuarta:

i;m on a roll this morning

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stuarta:

have until 130pm to finish code changes and go back to production mode

[11:08:41]

** stuarta tweaks the divergence factor up from 3.0 -> 4.5 frames **

[11:12:02]

stuarta:

damn wavy grass in hd

[11:14:53]

stuarta:

right, now i now what's going on.

[11:15:10]

stuarta:

there's a delay between the action and the response

[11:15:46]

stuarta:

we drop frames to catch up, but end up dropping too many because of the delay

[11:16:44]

Juski:

damn. I thought my backend box had sata

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Juski:

running fsck again

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[11:19:09]

Juski:

booty bunty

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tcpsyn:

I'm still trying. I found that my card is a provideo PV259 that shows up asConexant CX23880/1/2/3 PCI, but I just cant get it to work

[11:19:49]

Juski:

I don't have any v4l-fu I'm afraid

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Juski:

I know dvb & ivtv, but none too hot at framegrabbers. too many damn module options :)

[11:21:37]

** Juski does some SMART testing **

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** stuarta is doing WOW testing **

[11:22:33]

Juski:

so is this dynamic ringbuffering to help alleviate playback pauses, buffer underruns etc?

[11:22:41]

stuarta:

yup

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stuarta:

and to minimise channel change times due to excess buffering...

[11:23:40]

** Juski calls out "heeee-ro, heeee-ro!" **

[11:23:54]

stuarta:

hero?

[11:24:32]

Juski:

it'll solve issues for a lot of people, and make the livetv users whine less, so yeah.. hero

[11:24:40]

Juski:

:)

[11:25:10]

stuarta:

it's a start. just sending the data points i've found to the list.

[11:26:21]

Juski:

£8.25 shipping?! omfg!

[11:26:29]

stuarta:

bastards

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Juski:

and they use shitty link

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Juski:

it'd cost me less in petrol to go down there

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visit0r:

stuarta: excellent, just what've been looking for due to sucky network connection through wlan to my bed room mythtv box

[11:27:04]

stuarta:

oh yeah, deliver two days running to your house when you aren't there. useless...

[11:27:27]

Juski:

while you were out making money to pay for your goods, we tried to deliver

[11:27:49]

stuarta:

here's a card which says it'll be at the depot tomorrow.

[11:28:07]

Juski:

only we'll not be able to find it so you'll have to come back later

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stuarta:

tommorrow, go to depot. "Goods aren't here"

[11:28:15]

stuarta:

wtf? are they?

[11:28:18]

stuarta:

on a truck

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stuarta:

wtf? are they doing on a truck

[11:28:32]

stuarta:

we sent them out again

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stuarta:

wtf did you do that?

[11:28:46]

stuarta:

we always deliver twice

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Juski:

like we say on the card we leave...

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Juski:

:-|

[11:29:18]

stuarta:

wtf would you do that when you've told me it'll be in the depot and you haven't left me a number to phone to tell you not to put it back on the truck

[11:29:19]

Juski:

I once had a card left that said they dropped off the goods at no. 6 on my road

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Juski:

problem is there's no no.6

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Juski:

and I live at a number much higher than no. 6

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Juski:

turned out they'd left it at 106

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Juski:

forgot to write the '10' bit

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stuarta:

one of the guys at work, had something delivered. card said they'd "left it in the bin"

[11:30:25]

stuarta:

bin went out the day before he got back.

[11:30:33]

stuarta:

actually has 2 bins

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Juski:

ooo fack

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stuarta:

and they put it in the one which hadn't been collected.

[11:31:04]

stuarta:

but he'd dumped the grass cuttings on top of it without noticing

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Juski:

citylink were the ones who asked me if I'd like them to leave my new home cinema amp outside in the front garden next time they delivered it

[11:31:46]

stuarta:

parcelfarce are much better imho

[11:31:58]

Juski:

yeah just leave the box, labelled big fuck-off yahama HT amp in the front garden where everybody can see it

[11:32:27]

Juski:

yeh I know where their depot is, it takes a max of 10 mins wait to get the goods, and they do what they say they're gonna do

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stuarta:

at least they take it back to a depot

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Juski:

and they're open from 7am til 7pm so no skiving off work is needed

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Juski:

yay first SMART test completed without error

[11:34:03]

Juski:

the problem must just be the dodgy loose wiring

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Juski:

christ I sent a box of 100Cds in jewel cases for less than OC charge for shipping one lightweight PSU

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Juski:

they must be minting it on the shipping costs

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stuarta:

yeah.

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Juski:

one more cig then I'll have my bagels :)

[11:36:19]

stuarta:

mmm bagels...

[11:36:28]

Juski:

then I'll sort the PSU connectors out & put the box back together. it's not had any sides on since I changed to ubuntu

[11:37:00]

Juski:

and later it'll be a chance to go diskless on my frontend :)

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Juski:

shouldn't take long – I mean most of what that needs is already in place due to minimyth

[11:40:44]

Juski:

fickle buggers... users' list isn't getting my themes any attention anymore. all the hits are now coming from the wiki :) I think I like this way much better

[11:41:25]

Juski:

and the "NOTE: I do not intend to change any graphics or layout other than what is necessary to keep it working with current

[11:41:25]

Juski:

and development versions of MythTV. Ifdifferent graphics or layout are required for a particular application,you are

[11:41:26]

Juski:

free to change things as you see fit." seems to have stopped the whiny emails

[11:41:59]

Juski:

I feel 'empowered' :)

[11:42:29]

Juski:

anyhoo – it's bageltime

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stuarta:

nice

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stuarta:

huh 27.5 frames per second...?

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ille:

is it normal with a 110MB .mythtv directory

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ille:

ah, osdcache is big, I guess it is okay to delete files on themes that I don't use.

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Juski:

bladdy seek tables are missing again

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Juski:

anyone got a nifty mysqlcheck script I can shove in init?

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Juski:

hrm mysqlcheck says recordedseek is ok

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Juski:

rebuilding seektables again.

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stuarta:

Juski: what's with the font size's you are sending (aka html)

[12:43:03]

Juski:

eh? wasn't aware I was

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stuarta:

eh? wasn't aware I was

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Juski:

pfft

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Juski:

GAIM is being an ass then

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juski:

better now?

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stuarta:

much. ta

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juski:

don't remember seeing a setting for that in GAIM

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juski:

nevermind I'm back home in irssi now :)

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stuarta:

much better. gaim is for emergencies

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juski:

I remembered earlier that today is the day I said I was gonna flush & preserve my central heating system

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juski:

this'll need a trip to B&Q

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juski:

the system has a drain valve somewhere, but I know not where so I'll have to fit another one

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stuarta:

hmpf. that's no fun...

[12:46:14]

juski:

naw I love plumbing, me

[12:46:31]

juski:

fun with a blowtorch!

[12:47:05]

juski:

yeah I know there are compression fittings & push-fit which are fine & dandy but you don't get to use a blowtorch with them!

[12:47:28]

stuarta:

agreed, blowtorches are fun...

[12:47:39]

juski:

was gonna do it in summer but never got round to it, so this is a good time before winter kicks in proper

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juski:

plus we had a rad leak the other morning... not what you wanna see on the pale carpet in the livingroom at 7am

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stuarta:

no.

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juski:

ooo actually it'd be a good time to fit some more thermostatic vales too

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juski:

valves, even

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** stuarta suspects juski is getting carried away **

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juski:

may aswell – the system doesn't get drained very often

[12:50:06]

juski:

owning yer own house & the responsibilities it entails...

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Dibblah:

Ahhh... Can we all crowd round a certain mailing list thread and shout fight, fight, fight?

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juski:

the 200 post long thread about the suggestion to change the way livetv works... AGAIN perchance?

[12:50:59]

Dibblah:

That'd be the one.

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stuarta:

that one I deleted with thread delete :)

[12:51:13]

Dibblah:

I love the ramdisk idea :)

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juski:

it was either that or the mythtv/freevo/vdr/mce thread

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juski:

nah huge amounts of ram are for theme images :)

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Dibblah:

Not on the themes I use ;)

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Dibblah:

(I don't have widescreen atm :(

[12:52:23]

juski:

so black bars are U then

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stuarta:

me either, but juski's themes take quite a bit cause they're pretty

[12:52:56]

D-side:

bah.

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D-side:

damn mysql stupidity.

[12:53:01]

juski:

it's not entirely my fault.. it's just that in the menus there's so much screen space not used

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stuarta:

i don't mind at all

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Dibblah:

We need the OLPC display stuff :)

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juski:

OLPC?

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Dibblah:

RLE compression in the display hardware – The whole framebuffer is stored compressed.

[12:54:07]

Dibblah:

One Laptop Per Child.

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juski:

heh

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juski:

games must use much bigger textures, and they must load them dynamically or summink

[12:55:20]

juski:

so maybe some form of compression would help, but it's prolly easier to buy more ram

[12:55:32]

juski:

no infact it IS easier ;)

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D-side:

ugh. so lets say i've just run through all my setting up, dumped in a restore.sql, only to find theres nothing in the recorded table

[12:55:48]

D-side:

how do i kill out individual tables in a db? i suck at mysql

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stuarta:

remove or emtpy?

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Dibblah:

Juski: Ironically, it would be possible to do all this in video memory with OpenGL...

[12:56:23]

D-side:

stuarta: i was thinking remove, but maybe empty would be smarter.

[12:56:35]

Dibblah:

Everyone has 64Mb+, which is mostly sitting unused...

[12:56:35]

D-side:

i was just goiing to restart the backend process, thinking that would regen those tables

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stuarta:

no it won't

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D-side:

i think i like your idea better. :)

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juski:

that OLPC interface looks scarily similar to a competitor's DVR I looked at last week

[12:56:54]

D-side:

well then i'm glad we'rehaving this discussion

[12:57:30]

D-side:

er

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juski:

Dibblah: by the time a wide theme is scaled to 1920x1080, 64MB will look pretty small I think

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D-side:

wtf.

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D-side:

oldrecorded has data? i broke something.

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juski:

there's a good argument to move to SVG for users running at (daft) resolutions like that

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Dibblah:

Eh? 10 full screens?

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D-side:

svg? theres a concept.

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tcpsyn:

Eh, I think I'm closer.

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juski:

Dibblah: there's the possibility (which I use) to have different fullscreen backgrounds for most UI pages (certainly for ui.xml), and then there are my 635x720 watermarks, which by the time they've been rescaled will be quite big indeed

[13:00:53]

tcpsyn:

If I use /dev/video1 instead of /dev/video0 I can select television and look through the channels..

[13:01:14]

tcpsyn:

but with tvtime they're just a blue screen with "No Signal" and mythtv just turns black

[13:01:28]

D-side:

hrm. i wonder how i got channels updated on the old box.

[13:01:46]

juski:

tcpsyn: sounds like you need to investigate your module options. the autodetection seldom works in my experience

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juski:

there are over 50 tuner types to choose from with v4l tuners, plus whoknows how many card types

[13:02:40]

tcpsyn:

juski, I did, the autodetection pointed me to set the card to provideo.. card=20 .. I'm not sure what else to investigate

[13:03:04]

juski:

framegrabbers are a minefield

[13:03:34]

tcpsyn:

only think I'm positive of is that its ntsc

[13:03:42]

juski:

at least with ivtv, DVB & ATSC tuners there's a much smaller set of cards to choose from – one of the reasons I think they're so easy to get working

[13:04:04]

juski:

there are thousands of different framegrabber cards out there

[13:04:19]

Dibblah:

Juski: You've obviously not considered DVB USB :)

[13:04:27]

aarchie:

Mythtv can't seem to tune to DVB-T radio for me. In the logs it says "DTVSM(0) Error: We want 0 audio and 1 video streams But have 1 audio and 0 video streams"

[13:04:34]

juski:

now that'd be a minefield

[13:04:41]

Dibblah:

aarchie: Which Myth version?

[13:04:42]

juski:

aarchie: 0.20 ?

[13:05:01]

Dibblah:

Now that's teamwork.

[13:05:20]

aarchie:

I've done a little research and think it might be linked to my recording profile... emm yeah- 0.2 I think. Hold on I'll check.

[13:05:33]

stuarta:

0.2 != 0.20

[13:05:45]

juski:

aarchie: nah. you can only opt to chuck away the interactive guff

[13:06:01]

juski:

if only you could opt to chuck away the 64kbit mono audio though ;)

[13:06:20]

aarchie:

It is indeed 0.20.

[13:06:37]

juski:

-fixes or just 0.20 ?

[13:06:47]

juski:

I'm using -fixes & DVB radio works juuust fine

[13:07:16]

juski:

I'm recording so many radio shows I'm thinking about buying an mp3 player head unit for my car

[13:07:40]

juski:

http://www.justkenwood.co.uk/stock01/kdc_w534ua.asp

[13:08:15]

aarchie:

I'm not sure. mythfrontend --version returns a load of stuff including "Library API version: 0.20.20060828–3"

[13:08:26]

juski:

my frontend can play them back just fine but I get a blank screen cos I changed the recording profile to chuck the interactive guff away

[13:08:49]

juski:

I plan to make a new profile for radio recordings where it doesn't do that though

[13:09:27]

juski:

aarchie: maybe you need to enable 'interactive' guff in mythfrontend – that is, if your recording profile still has it enabled

[13:09:42]

Dibblah:

Juski: The easier option (probably cheaper as well) is an ipod nano / FM transmitter.

[13:10:06]

Dibblah:

The more fun one is a carpc :)

[13:10:18]

juski:

Dibblah: nah my existing stereo's front panel has seen better days and a hundred squids is cheaper than a new panel

[13:10:20]

aarchie:

juski: where do I find those interactive options?

[13:10:33]

juski:

aarchie: in mythfrontend, tv playback IIRC

[13:11:00]

juski:

you'll prolly not have changed the default livetv profile to 'tv only'

[13:11:15]

juski:

but if you have, change it back

[13:12:41]

juski:

(to 'all')

[13:13:25]

aarchie:

wow. loads of options in there. I set the 'interactive' one on. (it wasn't) but it hasn't helped as yet.

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aarchie:

All the 'recording type' settings I can see for the various recording profiles are set to 'normal'.

[13:16:35]

aarchie:

although I did notice that when I tried setting then to "audio only" it made no difference to watching TV- it still had video.

[13:16:50]

aarchie:

is there a way to tell which recording profile is in use?

[13:17:04]

juski:

aarchie: the livetv profile is used for all livetv

[13:17:15]

juski:

if I were you I'd only set that to 'all' for now

[13:18:44]

aarchie:

well, livetv is set to normal.

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juski:

whoops it's 'normal' not 'all'

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aarchie:

would you expect that setting it to 'audio only' would prevent the video being displayed for a tv channel?

[13:19:35]

juski:

I'd expect that but I've never tried it

[13:20:11]

juski:

btw the changes might not take effect if you're watching livetv at the same time, I dunno

[13:20:31]

juski:

have you tried making a scheduled recording from a radio channel?

[13:20:38]

juski:

then playing it back in the frontend?

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aarchie:

I'm changing the "Hardware DVB Encoders", by the way. Should I be worrying about "Transcoders"?

[13:20:49]

juski:

no

[13:21:22]

juski:

which mpeg2 decoder method are you set to use in tv playback settings btw?

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aarchie:

standard

[13:22:46]

juski:

should be ok

[13:23:16]

juski:

is your setup a combined FE & BE?

[13:23:28]

aarchie:

emm..

[13:23:34]

aarchie:

yes

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aarchie:

it's all on the one box.

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juski:

hrm

[13:24:03]

juski:

is it just the radio channels giving you grief?

[13:24:23]

juski:

I mean on the tv channels can you select subtitles & the extra audio track ok?

[13:24:46]

juski:

and see what happens when you schedule a recording from a radio channel

[13:24:51]

aarchie:

i can tune tv channels no problem in myth. it's just the radio. And I've tested the radio channels in Kaffeine where they work.

[13:25:07]

juski:

it shouldn't be any different when you play a recording back to what happens in livetv, but you never know

[13:25:52]

aarchie:

no luck with playing back recording.

[13:26:02]

juski:

ok then

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juski:

find the most recent recording (if the radio recording you made is the most recent) and do ffmpeg -i foobar.mpg on it

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juski:

where foobar is the filename

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aarchie:

afraid I have to leave this for the moment but I'll give that a shot later on and come back on. Thanks for your help.

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juski:

ok. was just after finding out whether the recording you made actually has the right streams in it ;)

[13:28:19]

juski:

I've read about folks seeing issues with dvb radio in mythtv but never experienced em myself

[13:30:11]

stuarta:

it tends to happen on channels that aren't really radio channels

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juski:

oh I know the ones you mean

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aarchie:

good plan, i'll try it once i've dealt with some pressing real-world stuff.

[13:30:58]

juski:

radiobuymenow!buymenow! ;)

[13:31:09]

juski:

or TattFM

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** stuarta contemplates finishing getting up. **

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tcpsyn:

Still no love

[14:02:56]

tcpsyn:

I think I've pretty much tried everything.

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tcpsyn:

I'm just getting static

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tcpsyn:

lspci wouldn't lie to me right?

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tcpsyn:

its a brand new card

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tcpsyn:

the ati tv wonder 200

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juski:

ATI tv (still) wonder(ing why it doesn't work) ;)

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juski:

hang on ati tv wonder 200... isn't that a new one with their unsupported hardware encoder on it?

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stuarta:

i think it is...

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juski:

a bad choice for windows let alone linux

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juski:

a harsh way to learn a valuable lesson.

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juski:

i.e. research the subject before buying hardware

[14:55:34]

juski:

though saying that I don't see anywhere that MCE supports it, so maybe it's not got a hardware encoder

[14:56:07]

juski:

no it looks like it doesn't have one

[14:56:21]

juski:

too late anyway

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juski:

tcpsyn's left

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stuarta:

ah well....

[14:57:20]

juski:

was about to say it'd be a job for #v4l if it exists

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juski:

http://ati.amd.com/designpartners/media/image . . . 00-board.jpg = deffo a lamegrabber

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sceo:

anyone using ubuntu? my backend is myth 0.19 but my ubuntu frontend has .20 in the repositories... I need to install .19 front end out of repo's but don't know how to in ubuntu

[15:29:07]

stuarta:

no, but why stay on 0.19?

[15:29:17]

sceo:

laziness :)

[15:29:35]

sceo:

I use knoppmyth on the backend, I haven't even checked if knoppmyth is built against .20 yet

[15:29:59]

stuarta:

has been for ages

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|Torg|:

ages = gnats life

[15:31:04]

sceo:

yeah, you're right. might as well "do the right thing" and just upgrade the backend. i just feel like I don't wanna go through the upgrade hassle, risk of losing configs, etc. last time when I went from 0.18 to 0.19 it didn't go so hot

[15:31:30]

|Torg|:

did you backup your database first?

[15:32:29]

sceo:

yea

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sceo:

i mostly lost config files

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|Torg|:

where do you think the config files are stored?

[15:33:47]

sceo:

i learned a fair amount doing it tho... like "use links to store configs in /home" :)

[15:34:05]

sceo:

cuz i was just editing xorg.conf and stuff directly

[15:34:21]

|Torg|:

the ONLY config that is not in the database is the sql connection settings, thats one fil

[15:35:00]

seth|home:

|Torg|, thanks again for the mythphone fix, it worked, but then like 15 minute later, our power went off, so I did not get a chance to thank you right away.

[15:35:07]

seth|home:

Thank You :-)

[15:35:08]

|Torg|:

if you are talking about conf files, drivers, things in etc (besides teh startup scrupt eh mysql.txt for myth) then you ARE NOT talking about upgrasding myth

[15:35:16]

|Torg|:

you had problems upgrading your OS, not myth

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|Torg|:

myth didnt have anything to do with it

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|Torg|:

np seth :)

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seth|home:

you the man

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|Torg|:

no you are :)

[15:36:01]

seth|home:

now maybe someone can help with my next question.

[15:36:06]

|Torg|:

its just an area I ran across dn it bugged the hell outa me like it did you

[15:36:18]

|Torg|:

so im glad I have some little expericane to repay you :)

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|Torg|:

so whats the question?

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seth|home:

I installed my new 500GB SATA drive last night, when we got power again. How do I scan for it in linux. I know I should know this, but at the moment it escapes me

[15:36:53]

|Torg|:

scn it, fsck it?

[15:37:03]

|Torg|:

or prepare it?

[15:37:05]

GreyFoxx:

|Torg|: Using that tcpdump I tracked down the 100% usage bug. 1 routine is telling another that bytes are waiting to be read from the connection when there isn't and it's not properlytiming out

[15:37:10]

BULLE:

seth|home: just check dmesg output ?

[15:37:11]

seth|home:

actually see if its being seen at the linux/os/kernel level

[15:37:21]

seth|home:

I looked in dmesg

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|Torg|:

great GreyFoxx ! :)

[15:37:26]

seth|home:

nothing jumped out at me

[15:37:38]

GreyFoxx:

I just need to A: make it timeout correctly, and B: make sure it doesn't return bytes available if there isn't any

[15:37:39]

kash:

eiggirC: i have that, but it's not too big a deal

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|Torg|:

look in dmesg and soo if its there

[15:37:52]

GreyFoxx:

if I get time I'll do up a patch this afternoon

[15:37:54]

|Torg|:

GreyFoxx did you figure out why the 360 dosnt see it?

[15:37:56]

BULLE:

seth|home: does your sata controller show up in dmsg ?

[15:37:56]

seth|home:

it sees sda, sdb, sdc, and sdd, but they are the media card slots in the front of my htpc case

[15:38:19]

|Torg|:

seth you coudl try fdisk on them, it will tell you if its the rive you want

[15:38:21]

GreyFoxx:

|Torg|: Once the 360 triggers the 100usage the backend wont talk tot eh 360

[15:38:38]

|Torg|:

ahh ok GreyFoxx, now I get it

[15:38:55]

** GreyFoxx praises the unix gods for tcpreplay **

[15:38:57]

GreyFoxx:

hehe

[15:39:21]

GreyFoxx:

I just kept replaying the traffic from your tcpdump onto my work network to trigger it on my work backend :)

[15:39:21]

|Torg|:

you still have access into the BE if you need it

[15:39:26]

GreyFoxx:

thanks

[15:39:48]

|Torg|:

seth try a fdisk -l and see what it tells you

[15:39:49]

GreyFoxx:

that and gdb did the trick

[15:40:17]

|Torg|:

really now, I thought the core to be useless. All it showed was it sitting on qt output

[15:40:29]

GreyFoxx:

|Torg|: Nah, I didn't use that

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|Torg|:

then of course I triggerd it with a SEGV signal :)

[15:40:34]

GreyFoxx:

I just used gdb here

[15:40:43]

GreyFoxx:

so your tcpdump and my gdb :)

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|Torg|:

great, I went into the makefile and removes the strip routines too

[15:41:25]

GreyFoxx:

actually you can do tht from the ./configure

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GreyFoxx:

--compile-type=debug

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GreyFoxx:

leaves in lots of debug symbolsand skips the strip

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|Torg|:

configure ignored --diable-strip

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seth|home:

I see this, pardon the possible flood

[15:42:04]

seth|home:

ata1: SATA max UDMA/133 cmd 0x9F0 ctl 0xBF2 bmdma 0xE000 irq 19

[15:42:04]

seth|home:

ata2: SATA max UDMA/133 cmd 0x970 ctl 0xB72 bmdma 0xE008 irq 19

[15:42:04]

seth|home:

ata1: no device found (phy stat 00000000)

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seth|home:

scsi1 : sata_nv

[15:42:05]

seth|home:

ata2: no device found (phy stat 00000000)

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seth|home:

does that mean it sees the controller, not the drive?

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|Torg|:

yes

[15:42:40]

|Torg|:

it means it found 2 drives

[15:43:15]

|Torg|:

how many drives do you have?

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seth|home:

hmm, well, something in the bios maybe? Also, my PS had a SATA power connector, and I plugged that in, on the drive where it said sata power, however I did not plug in the standard, HDD power connector, into the port on the new drive that said Legacy Power

[15:43:41]

seth|home:

I have 1 500GB drive

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|Torg|:

you have only one sata drive?

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seth|home:

yes

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seth|home:

2 ports on mobo, only 1 drive

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|Torg|:

well your OS thiks it sees two :)

[15:44:36]

seth|home:

it is plugged into ata1 on mobo

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|Torg|:

wht did fdisk -l tell you?

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seth|home:

only sees hda and hdb

[15:45:31]

stuarta:

time to head out for the evening

[15:45:37]

seth|home:

night staurta

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|Torg|:

take care stuarta

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|Torg|:

seth make sure the drive has power and the sata cable is plugged all teh way in

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|Torg|:

aside from that you may have a dead drive, can bios see it?

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BULLE:

seth|home: sata disks normaly show up as sd not hd

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BULLE:

ye, check in bios, if the disk shows up there

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|Torg|:

yea BULLE thats why i said to check the connecitons

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seth|home:

my bios is very odd, it is a biostar mobo, and it just shows the fancy colorful biostar logo, full screen, then it just shows voltages

[15:47:22]

|Torg|:

you can probably hit a funtion key to get it to go to the bios settings

[15:47:35]

seth|home:

i can get to the settings, with DEL

[15:47:45]

seth|home:

I had to turn on the sata ports initially

[15:48:01]

|Torg|:

does it have some sort of disk scan utility?

[15:48:10]

seth|home:

yes, but only for ide drives

[15:48:18]

seth|home:

biostar <= lame

[15:48:20]

seth|home:

:-)

[15:50:25]

|Torg|:

there still should be a way to scan in SATA drives tho

[15:50:38]

|Torg|:

without bios support there is no way to boot from them

[15:50:47]

|Torg|:

well no way to boot from any drive for that matter

[15:52:18]

BULLE:

well, it might be external bios, right ?

[15:52:38]

BULLE:

that kicks in, after the "normal" bios is done

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|Torg|:

BULLE im not sure I understand, external bios?

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BULLE:

|Torg|: oh well, several sata chips have their own bios, if you buy a pci card, it has a bios chip on the card, or a separate eeprom on the mb in case of on board bios

[15:53:31]

BULLE:

|Torg|: lots of motherboards have it that way

[15:54:03]

|Torg|:

oh, im not too sure about how the bios of the controler works, all I know about is the driv MUST b mapped to int 13h

[15:54:18]

|Torg|:

so something has to inject itslef into the bios of the computer, its the bootstrap

[15:55:10]

|Torg|:

so my thought was that is seths bios was sata capable (his connector is integrated) why would you make a bios that couldnt boot from SATA?

[15:55:29]

BULLE:

my old motherboard is like that

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|Torg|:

so there HAS to be some sort of bios setting that says boot from this SATA drive

[15:55:35]

BULLE:

has a promise ide controller on the board

[15:55:41]

BULLE:

cant be used for booting

[15:55:44]

BULLE:

has its own bios

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fryfrog:

|Torg|: a lot of "built in" sata (and scsi raid) is just integrated on the pci bus, they'd use their own bios and such

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BULLE:

i was just guessing, out from that

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BULLE:

fryfrog: ye

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fryfrog:

usually, you can set the system's bios to boot from an "external" bios

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|Torg|:

ann the old way when you dint hav integrated was to inject your hooks into the bios

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fryfrog:

then, enter the bios of your sata/scsi raid and enable booting from there (if it isn't already)

[15:56:26]

BULLE:

fryfrog: yeah, except on my old mb, i cant do that

[15:56:27]

kash:

i got a QS20 :D

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kash:

$5,400

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fryfrog:

BULLE: ah, i spose some of them might not allow it, but i imagine its pretty rare :)

[15:56:59]

|Torg|:

I want a S150, but with 8 drives

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kash:

yeah

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kash:

this thing is super fast

[15:57:25]

kash:

like.. beyond Cray

[15:57:44]

|Torg|:

seth did you get an answer, or at least some sort of lead?

[15:58:02]

kash:

oh man

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kash:

i'm so broke :D

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|Torg|:

kash where did you get the BS from?

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|Torg|:

sorry BC :P

[15:58:15]

kash:

BS?

[15:58:22]

kash:

er.. BC?

[15:58:25]

kash:

blade cell?

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kash:

i ordered it from my work

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|Torg|:

BladeCenter, a QS20 is an IBM bladecenter

[15:58:45]

|Torg|:

that and why do you have it :)

[15:58:50]

kash:

just because

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kash:

:)

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kash:

i got it at discount

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kash:

$2800

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|Torg|:

I wouldnt put one in my house if you gave it to me

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|Torg|:

im not running out of floortile space

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|Torg|:

and I dont need to but back on admin staff

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|Torg|:

so there is no reason for me to use one

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kash:

lol it's not in my house, silly

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|Torg|:

oh

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kash:

it's in a rack at work

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fryfrog:

we have a couple ibm blade center's at work, they are load as fuck :)

[16:00:20]

kash:

language :/

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fryfrog:

take off that muffler thing from the back and it goes from loud to ZOMG!

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|Torg|:

what fukin laguage?

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seth|home:

well let me run out there, interrupt the wife, and power this thing down. Do you think it would be advisable to plug in the legacy power as well

[16:02:38]

|Torg|:

I dont know where the legacy power goes, so I dunno

[16:02:49]

|Torg|:

mine simply has power connectors from the power supply

[16:02:58]

|Torg|:

you plug them in just like you plug any other connector

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seth|home:

well the drive has sata power and legacy power, my ps has both, legacy being like what you plug your cdrom drive in with or pata hard drives, the drive and the ps have both types

[16:03:53]

seth|home:

maybe just legacy

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|Torg|:

yea I sorta guesse what you mant by legacy

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|Torg|:

no one or the other, it dosnt need both

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seth|home:

ok, ill be back later

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|Torg|:

altho I dont know of any drive that has two power connections

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seth|home:

wife isd gonna shite

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seth|home:

hehe

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|Torg|:

why is she watching tv :)

[16:04:30]

briand:

hmm.. i wonder how many hours *this* will take... moving ~ 200G of /video/recordings via scp over to the new box.... at, apparently, 11.3MB/s...

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|Torg|:

(200*1024)/11.3 seconds

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briand:

;)

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GreyFoxx:

brain: WhySCP over your localnetwork?

[16:06:00]

kash:

i'd use rsync

[16:06:01]

kash:

:/

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kash:

faster

[16:06:08]

GreyFoxx:

FTP , rsync or nfs would be muchfaster

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BULLE:

kash: and it will default to ssh wont it ?

[16:06:22]

BULLE:

kash: unless you setup an rsync server

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kash:

BULLE: no

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briand:

ah.. well, i didn't know that.

[16:06:31]

kash:

rsyncd's are easy

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|Torg|:

nfs faster? Not For Speed faster?

[16:06:43]

kash:

|Torg|: yeah i was wondering that

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kash:

:p

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GreyFoxx:

much faster than scp by amile

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GreyFoxx:

and much less cpu intensive :)

[16:06:56]

kash:

by a mule?

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|Torg|:

yea well its faster then smb too, I still woudlnt use it

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BULLE:

well, those 11.3 seems to indicate he is using a 100mbit connection, to more or less its full potential, right ?

[16:07:22]

|Torg|:

id put the directory under apache and use wget

[16:07:26]

briand:

it is a 10/100 lan, yes

[16:07:28]

|Torg|:

or just ftp it

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GreyFoxx:

I use it all the time, only use smb if a windows machine is involved

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BULLE:

briand: so you are pertty much already getting the max speed of a 100mbit network

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|Torg|:

and yes BULLE thats a 100 base-T at or about max

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GreyFoxx:

recursive ftp would be best on files that big

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|Torg|:

Id unplug it from my old 10/100 switch and into my gig switch :)

[16:09:15]

|Torg|:

my GS116's rock

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|Torg|:

I lost the manageabiluty but they are rock solid, and oh yes about 1/10 the heat

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briand:

good idea, Torg!! when are you bringing over a gig switch for me? (oh, and some gig cards, too)

[16:09:52]

GreyFoxx:

I've got intel gigabit nics in all my machines, just haven't picked up a good gig switch, I love my current house switch and only way I'd replace it is with a expensive gig switch

[16:10:04]

|Torg|:

briand after you bring me my 8 isk raid 5 array :)

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fryfrog:

yeah, on 100mbit network use what ever you want to copy, scp, nfs, smb, its all gonna max out at ~12mb/sec unless you got really shitty hardware :)

[16:10:32]

|Torg|:

the GS116's hav gone up but there still <$200 for 16 ports

[16:10:37]

briand:

heh. were you in here when i was telling GreyFoxx about the sweet deal I got on drive space last weekend?

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fryfrog:

GreyFoxx: I got some cheap-ish netgear gige switch, went from about 10mb/sec to 30mb/sec

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briand:

the new machine has 1TB of storage... ran me ~ $200

[16:11:01]

|Torg|:

I wana use the 500G drives in a 8 disk raid 5 set

[16:11:09]

|Torg|:

at 8 disk im goan have to do hardware raid

[16:11:32]

|Torg|:

that or find some case they I dont melt and make a target drive setup and use lvm on it

[16:11:38]

kash:

i have 8 500GB disks

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|Torg|:

id prefer dedicated external disk rack tho

[16:11:48]

kash:

i have to water cool them :

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kash:

:/

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|Torg|:

yes kash and im not spending $4000 on a damn array

[16:11:56]

briand:

when i first started my (then) new job last december, there were two powervault 220S boxes in my office...

[16:12:06]

|Torg|:

or play with water cooling, get heater cores, etc

[16:12:15]

briand:

i threatened (er, i mean "offered") to stress-test 'em....

[16:12:26]

briand:

they eventually took them over and installed them in the server room...

[16:12:35]

|Torg|:

thats how I got my DLT stacker

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briand:

too bad, really... 6TB apiece on them

[16:12:40]

|Torg|:

I "helped" take it to the trash

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briand:

nice.

[16:13:19]

kash:

hahaha

[16:13:31]

|Torg|:

im thinking of a http://cgi.ebay.com/2TB-Disk-Array-configured . . . cmdZViewItem

[16:13:41]

briand:

y'know, though... when it starts seeming necessary to have > 2TB of storage for mythtv recordings, i think it'll be time to re-assess my leisure activities a bit...

[16:13:47]

|Torg|:

but Id go for 500G drives over the $250s

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|Torg|:

I want to make a central storage repository, do backup to disk, and put all my media on it

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|Torg|:

right now my media, games, picures, etc are scatter4d amongst 5 systems

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briand:

totalling how much space?

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|Torg|:

holdon leme count :P

[16:15:11]

|Torg|:

~5TB totla

[16:15:27]

|Torg|:

most of the boxes have little drives in them

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|Torg|:

my sb2000, two desktops, lanserver, and my myth total about 90% of my storage

[16:16:30]

briand:

hmm... and I thought having ~200G of mythtv (SD) video and ~ 9,000 mp3 files was a lot...

[16:16:39]

|Torg|:

and im not couing my replay, tivo and dishnet dvr systems

[16:16:55]

|Torg|:

well its not 5TB of media

[16:17:02]

briand:

ah.

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|Torg|:

its more like 2tb of media 3tb of shit and games installed :)

[16:17:05]

kash:

hahaha

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briand:

gotcha..

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kash:

i've got 3.4TB of media

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|Torg|:

I could probbaly feee up about 1tb of space by simply uninstalling half these games I dont play anym more

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briand:

i don't have any games installed on any of my machines... unless they came with the OS... no commercial computer games.. mostly compilers, editors, debuggers, libraries and source code

[16:19:46]

|Torg|:

my desktops are for myslef and my wife, they account for ~1.5Tb of space

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|Torg|:

they are Windows Xp and I use them for what the OS is intended for, games

[16:20:08]

briand:

ah, and there ya go... you have multiple computer users in your household.

[16:20:16]

|Torg|:

I have in fact two ~2000 gaming platforms, called windows XP :)

[16:20:26]

|Torg|:

mutiple hell, I have a datacenter

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|Torg|:

at least thats what my wife says :)

[16:20:47]

briand:

I have 17 computers here, including all the laptops and servers and such... and that's just for me.

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|Torg|:

I have 12

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|Torg|:

more if you want to count the media boxes

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Vlet:

how do you open a terminal when mythtv is running?

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briand:

I have a dual processor mb (celeron's, but hey.. it was free) that has 4 IDE channels on it.. I was thinking about building an auxilliary storage for the network...

[16:22:42]

briand:

Vlet: how do *i* do it? I hit F12 in mythwelcome.

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|Torg|:

ctrl-alt-f1

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briand:

|Torg|: I'm down to only 1 WinXP box in the household, now. ...and that's only because there's still a few things that I need the box for...

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|Torg|:

yea I have 2, one is my wifes one is mine (im on it now)

[16:25:02]

briand:

updating the ringers on my cellphone, accessing my Zen jukebox, etc...

[16:25:39]

|Torg|:

playing world of warcrack

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briand:

alright... well, i'm gonna go scare up some breakfast... ttyl

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Vlet:

If I have my video folder set to /mnt/video which does not itself contain videos, but has subfolders which do, will myth traverse those folders when locating media?

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|Torg|:

yes

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Vlet:

Would it need write access to the directories? (it isn't finding any videos)

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|Torg|:

no

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robbins876:

OH YEAH! Just grossed $40 on my Playstation 3...what a waste

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seth|home:

|Torg|, ok, something new now

[16:55:15]

seth|home:

ata1 is slow to respond, please be patient

[16:55:15]

seth|home:

ata1 failed to respond (30 secs)

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seth|home:

ATA: abnormal status 0x80 on port 0x9F7

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seth|home:

scsi1 : sata_nv

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seth|home:

ata2: no device found (phy stat 00000000)

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seth|home:

scsi2 : sata_nv

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seth|home:

sorry for the flood

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|Torg|:

umm your drive may be screwed, but there hot pluggable so I dont think it may be

[16:56:11]

|Torg|:

ill assume ata1 is where the drive is plugged in

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seth|home:

yes

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sceo:

I just upgrade from R5C7 to R5D1. I ran mythbackup which archived /myth/backup. I made a copy of that on an external USB drive. My /myth is not empty, but /myth/tv is, for example. I think the complication is that I used LVM before. I think the data is still somewhere, and that I just need to mount the LVM partition to make it work, and then maybe manually run mythrestore? The wiki page LVMHowto is for new installations, so I do

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|Torg|:

well status 0x80 is "I cant talk to the thing at the end"

[16:58:20]

|Torg|:

it may be the drive an it may be the MB

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|Torg|:

whats dmesg telling you?

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seth|home:

that was from dmesg

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|Torg|:

hm thats not good

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seth|home:

could it be because the drive was never set up?

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sceo:

schneigies: is there any way to do this after the fact? I already ran the upgrade. would it work if I just ran it again? http://knoppmythwiki.org/index.php?page=KnoppMythUpgradeWithLVM

[17:00:04]

seth|home:

I mean its new OEM, never had anything onit

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|Torg|:

posibly seth, do you have a SDx for it?

[17:00:31]

seth|home:

well I am at western digitals site now, looking for an iso image

[17:01:24]

|Torg|:

huh and iso, what for?

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seth|home:

to boot from cd to set it up

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|Torg|:

linux should be able to do that

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seth|home:

hrm

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seth|home:

even if it doesnt see it

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|Torg|:

the only setup you do is give it a partition table and format them

[17:02:25]

seth|home:

but I am not sure what it is, /dev/blah wise

[17:02:29]

|Torg|:

if it dosnt see it that is a driver/hardware issue not a setup issue

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seth|home:

fdisk -l doesn't show it

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|Torg|:

it *should* be /dev/sda

[17:02:57]

|Torg|:

did you fail to load modules for it?

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|Torg|:

what sata modules do you ahve loaded?

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seth|home:

/dev/sda thru sdd are the media card reader on the htpc case

[17:03:53]

|Torg|:

oh fine, /dev/sde :P

[17:04:10]

|Torg|:

its sd someting

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seth|home:

sata_nv

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seth|home:

module

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|Torg|:

I dint know you already hd drive there :)

[17:04:26]

|Torg|:

this is an nvidia chipset?

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seth|home:

oh yeah, its in

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|Torg|:

good remove the driver and reload it

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|Torg|:

see what dmesg tells you

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|Torg|:

you should see lines like "sda: sda1 sda2"

[17:05:46]

seth|home:

hmm its taking a while to reload the module

[17:05:47]

|Torg|:

thats a drive with two primary partitions

[17:05:53]

seth|home:

dmesg

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|Torg|:

good, that means its lookifn for stuff :)

[17:05:59]

seth|home:

wrong window, heh

[17:06:37]

seth|home:

ata3 is slow to respond, please be patient

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seth|home:

ata3 failed to respond (30 secs)

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seth|home:

ATA: abnormal status 0x80 on port 0x9F7

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|Torg|:

your looking for hdb: 312581808 sectors (160041 MB) w/2048KiB Cache, CHS=19457/255/63, UDMA(100) lines (that is a PATA drive not SATA tho)

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|Torg|:

they look similar

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|Torg|:

seth how many cpus do you have in that system and what does uname -a tell you?

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seth|home:

1 – Linux mythcenter 2.6.15-chw-2 #1 SMP PREEMPT Thu Jan 5 08:10:40 UTC 2006 i686 GNU/Linux

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|Torg|:

how many cpus?

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seth|home:

1

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|Torg|:

what model?

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seth|home:

amd64 3200+

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|Torg|:

not X2?

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|Torg|:

single core

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seth|home:

single core

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|Torg|:

you can try not running SMP, I see some posts (abotu a year old) about conflicts in SMP an the sata_nv driver when uses on a single cpu system

[17:12:32]

seth|home:

I have a setup cd now from western digital

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seth|home:

hmm

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seth|home:

recompile the kernel?

[17:13:24]

seth|home:

worth a try I suppose

[17:13:39]

|Torg|:

I thoguht debian slected based upon cpu, I kow in RH you can tell it not to

[17:14:06]

|Torg|:

this BTW is a guess, based upon posts im reading

[17:15:10]

|Torg|:

hmm forget that debina merged them

[17:15:18]

|Torg|:

there is an amd64 specifc kernel thop

[17:15:40]

gu014:

how much does the power supply matter when putting together a HTPC? my case requires a ATX 2.03 power supply.?

[17:15:54]

|Torg|:

try that cd and see what it tells you

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|Torg|:

gu014 how many drives, what video card, what fans, and which leds do you drive? And it only matters if you like to see pretty purple flkans and acrid silcon smoke or not

[17:17:42]

gu014:

|Torg|, i do not care about pretty colors....it only has one drive(xmas present for rents),fx 5200 video card.

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seth|home:

the cd is testing the drive, all things are groovy

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gu014:

|Torg|,just the basic HD leds

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seth|home:

3 minutes left on the test, but everything appears to be in order

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|Torg|:

ok then it must be a driver/kernel issue

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gu014:

|Torg|,the reason i ask is i do not want to spend a an unnecessary amount of money on a power supply that i really do not need

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|Torg|:

tell you waht seth since your MB dosnt like it, send the drive to me :)

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seth|home:

I wonder if both power connectors need to be plugged in, its running on the legacy one right now

[17:20:01]

seth|home:

but the test is passing

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seth|home:

|Torg|, :-)

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seth|home:

my drive

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|Torg|:

I sorta soubt that seth, that model is this thing anyway?

[17:20:21]

seth|home:

I only have 30GB left on my myth vg

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seth|home:

thats not even 7 shows in HD

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seth|home:

WD5000 Caviar SE16

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|Torg|:

seth ill let you in on a hint, open mythweb and go to the recordings, next to each one is delete :)

[17:21:10]

seth|home:

but, but I need my 128GB of boobah

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seth|home:

and my 90GB of Its a Big Big World, :-)

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seth|home:

my daughter would disown me

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seth|home:

and I can't get mytharchive to work to save my brothers life

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|Torg|:

mtyharchive <cough,cough>

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seth|home:

brb checking on test

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aarchie:

Mythtv can't seem to tune to DVB-T radio for me. In the logs it says "DTVSM(0) Error: We want 0 audio and 1 video streams But have 1 audio and 0 video streams"

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aarchie:

TV channels work fine and the radio channels I'm trying work in other applications (such as Kaffeine).

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|Torg|:

gu014 consider about 15W perdrive, about 50W for a deceint vieo card, about 5W per fan, and about 10W for a case LCD display

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aarchie:

Anyone know what I'm missing on this?

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|Torg|:

you mean besides teh fact you are running illicit software aarchie ?

[17:28:16]

aarchie:

illicit?

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|Torg|:

kaffine

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aarchie:

in what way is kaffeine illicit?

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|Torg|:

arnt yuo useing sc?

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aarchie:

sc?

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seth|home:

ok the test completed without a hitch, the drive connection to the mobo, and the drive itself must be ready to rcok

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|Torg|:

then seth its goa be a driver issue

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aarchie:

i'm running debian and kaffeine is packaged up for it which should mean it is DFSG-free. unless you know otherwise?

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|Torg|:

aarchie if you dont know what sc is dont worry about it, kaffine is most commonly used with a plugin to deocde encrytped tv

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|Torg|:

usualy when ppl come here asking for help with someting and are running kaffine they are in fact hainving problms with sc

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aarchie:

ah, I see. I'm in the UK and just using Kaffeine (and myth if I can get it running!) to view free-to-air channels.

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aarchie:

I'm having a bit of trouble researching this. I've only found one reference to the error I'm seeing on the web. And that was where the recording profiles had been customised.

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seth|home:

ack, now to find a doc on recompiling this knoppmyth kernel

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|Torg|:

your running knoppmyth?

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seth|home:

yes

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|Torg|:

seth pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list

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seth|home:

|Torg|, http://pastebin.ca/264716

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|Torg|:

god yu have a buch in there :)

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|Torg|:

ok do you have the kernel soruce?

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|Torg|:

for that matter your runing the current stable kernel

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|Torg|:

2.6.13.2-chw-3, right?

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seth|home:

2.6.15-chw-2 #1 SMP PREEMPT

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seth|home:

and I have kernel-source-2.6.15-chw-2.tar.bz2 in /usr/src

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|Torg|:

what woudl recompiling it do for you do you think

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|Torg|:

I dont disagree, but what befenit do you tihnk it will give you?]

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robbins876:

i hate heartburn

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D-side:

hrm. this is a weird zap2it/mythfilldatabase problem.

[18:00:06]

juski:

pffff. that's my bit plumbing done. sheesh

[18:00:28]

D-side:

i killed a mythfilldatabase and started it over, but its not populating today's listings for a particular source.

[18:00:31]

D-side:

any ideas?

[18:00:49]

juski:

aarchie: which radio channel are you having bother with?

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timsmall:

Hello – howto says "Slave backends must not run a local MySQL daemon" – is this really a requirement, or can you configure mythtv to ignore the local mysql server?

[18:01:16]

aarchie:

juski: all of them. i've been particularly trying the BBC ones.

[18:01:37]

juski:

aarchie: make a test recording from radio one please. make it about 2 mins long. don't try live tv in the meantime

[18:02:01]

aarchie:

I tried to do a ffmpeg -i <radio recording> but it doesn't create any files for the radio channels.

[18:02:15]

juski:

I'll then help you try to find the root cause of the problem, first by investigating the stream recorded

[18:02:30]

juski:

aarchie: really?

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aarchie:

I think it is so upset about there being no video that it doesn't write anything to file.

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aarchie:

yeah- i can see it writing the recording to disk when I'm recording TV. But on the radio channels nothing gets written.

[18:03:05]

juski:

and the recording profile is definitely set to 'normal' ?

[18:03:34]

aarchie:

I just get the error "DTVSM(0) Error: We want 0 audio and 1 video streams But have 1 audio and 0 video streams"

[18:03:44]

juski:

from the backend?

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aarchie:

it is indeed. and was from the start.

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aarchie:

in the log file.

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seth|home:

well recompiling will let me axe the smp part of the kernel

[18:04:26]

seth|home:

I could upgrade to r5d1, and cross my fingers, but it has adm64 issues, that I do not care to revisit?

[18:04:36]

aarchie:

on the frontend interface I get an error about it not tuning and then eventually it brings up a "no video" error.

[18:04:38]

seth|home:

recompiling seemd like the next logical step

[18:05:36]

aarchie:

in a sense it is absolutely right- there is no video- but that shouldn't really be a hassle for radio!

[18:05:50]

juski:

aarchie: try this: mysql -u mythtv -p mythconverg -e "select serviceid from channel where name like '%Radio%'"

[18:06:14]

juski:

btw did you import a channels.conf or did you scan properly in mythtv-setup ?

[18:06:42]

aarchie:

I imported channels.conf from scan.

[18:06:44]

juski:

and you're not using any daft unsupported software with this are you?

[18:06:52]

juski:

try a proper scan in mythtv-setup

[18:07:33]

juski:

it was pretty hit & miss in 0.19 but much improved in 0.20

[18:07:39]

juski:

very much improved :)

[18:08:00]

aarchie:

the scan fails. although the signal strength and signal/noise ratio fluctuates it says that all the attempts have timed out.

[18:08:09]

juski:

a full scan fails?

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aarchie:

I'm on 0.20 but still doesn't seem to work.

[18:08:27]

aarchie:

Yeah- full scan doesn't add any channels.

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juski:

so try a 'scan existing transports' and repeat, rinse as necessary

[18:08:33]

Igg-man:

What does mythtv use to match the channels to the listings on zap2it?

[18:09:01]

Igg-man:

I've got some channels that don't seem to get any data

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juski:

there should be a #zap2it channel by now. I dunno wtf is up with them lately

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|Torg|:

channel name

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Igg-man:

Okay

[18:09:18]

Igg-man:

Is there a chance that zap2it doesn't have any data?

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|Torg|:

its a zap2it has wrong cahnnel names problem

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|Torg|:

no its a chance zap2it has wrong channel names

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Igg-man:

I think I've got the channel names matched now, I just don't get any listings

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|Torg|:

not only is it a chance its a fact

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juski:

aarchie: when you run the mysql command I gave you does it output any numbers?

[18:09:51]

Igg-man:

Okay

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Igg-man:

I'll go check them

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|Torg|:

zap2it has differing channel ids then whats brodcast, zap2it has xmltvids necesary for listing but does not have tuning data

[18:10:31]

|Torg|:

scanning has tuning data and channel is that dontmatch zxap2it

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|Torg|:

since myth cant match them it does not know your zap2it is actlay listing for what it scanned

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|Torg|:

if you update purly from zap2it you have channel numners but no freqs or pids

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|Torg|:

I shoudl put this in the damn wiki, that or update the intenerl DD module ofr myth

[18:11:46]

aarchie:

juski: i'll jsut try it now.

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D-side:

sorry, was afk. did anyone have an answer for me?

[18:12:29]

juski:

anybody here ever used a linux player to play dvd audio discs?

[18:12:47]

|Torg|:

yes D-side yu have the same problem as Igg-man

[18:12:52]

juski:

got a user asking a q. on our forum & I've never heard tell of dvd-a on linux

[18:12:55]

Igg-man:

|Torg|: I created a channels.conf from dvbscan, then updated the names to match my listings on zap2it (renamed some channels, removed '-' from others...)

[18:13:03]

Igg-man:

|Torg|: It didn't seem to help

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Igg-man:

I'm going to try to see if they even have broadcast listings for digital tv here

[18:13:20]

siXy:

juski, as far as i know at least some of the dvd-a formats are currently unsupported

[18:13:30]

aarchie:

juski: hmm. it asks for a password.

[18:13:35]

D-side:

|Torg|: oh? mine's interesting in that its only today's listings for my second zap2it source. tomorrows and so on work fine.

[18:13:41]

juski:

siXy: figured as much since I couldn't find anything on it myself

[18:13:42]

D-side:

juski: i think siXy is correct.

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|Torg|:

ok this is what your goign to do: 1) erase very single channel you have, 2) do a mythfilldatabase --do-channel-updates, 3) scan in new channels, 4) merge teh data using mythweb, mysql or whatever you want

[18:13:57]

juski:

aarchie: it will ask for a password. you should know what the password is by rights

[18:14:11]

juski:

usually 'mythtv' but if you're on ubuntu it'll prolly be some random thing

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|Torg|:

make sure your zap2it has the listings you need, they like changing them on a regular basis

[18:14:31]

juski:

either way you can find out by looking in ~/.mythtv/mysql.txt

[18:14:37]

juski:

aarchie: ^^

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Igg-man:

|Torg|: I just installed the DVB card today, and just added the channel lineup today

[18:15:28]

Igg-man:

|Torg|: I think I may try another channel lineup, then rename the channels to match that instead

[18:15:34]

|Torg|:

Igg-man ok, sounds right, go do the steps I gave you

[18:15:37]

aarchie:

That file doesn't seem to exist.

[18:15:49]

aarchie:

i'm on debian, if that's important.

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juski:

aarchie: try /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt

[18:16:07]

Igg-man:

|Torg|: Where can I see the channel names on Zap2it? Is it the "Station" (looks like a callsign)?

[18:16:10]

|Torg|:

ok Igg-man an easer way, 1) delete al the channels, 2) scan in al teh channels, 3) edit the chanenls with xmltvids

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juski:

aarchie: but you really should know it ya know :)

[18:16:31]

juski:

it's usually 'mythtv' like I said but some installers randomise it

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|Torg|:

zap2it lists channels not by callsign but my channel number

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Igg-man:

where can I find the xmltvids? On zap2it?

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|Torg|:

yes on zap2it

[18:17:12]

aarchie:

is it the user's password?

[18:17:22]

aarchie:

because that is 'mythtv'.

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|Torg|:

no aarchie its the sql password

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|Torg|:

mysql does not use pam

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aarchie:

ah. ok. i'll try & figure it out.

[18:18:42]

|Torg|:

aarchie try mysql -u mythtv -p mythconverg

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|Torg|:

see what that does for yuo

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Igg-man:

Is there a spot on the website to download the xml id table?

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|Torg|:

no Igg-man it woudlnt be so easy, you have to look at the links for every channel

[18:19:36]

Igg-man:

oh

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Igg-man:

stupid names

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|Torg|:

on www.zap2it.com not labs.zap2it.com

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|Torg|:

http://tvlistings5.zap2it.com/tvlistings/Grid . . . ;channel=8.1

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|Torg|:

thats my abc station in HD

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|Torg|:

19626 is its xmltvid

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jilliano:

i'm trying to get a new IR receiver working on mythtv 0.20 on gentoo, getting an error with irrecord. "could not init hardware"

[18:23:20]

jilliano:

irrecord: could not init hardware (lircd running close it, check permissions)

[18:23:32]

jilliano:

logged in as root

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jilliano:

any ideas?

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|Torg|:

yes jilliano you are trying to get hardware woring not set up myth

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|Torg|:

your hardware issues preclude you from setting it up

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|Torg|:

as such you are asking for how to set up lircd, not how to make it work in myth

[18:25:25]

|Torg|:

and you probbly have the device set to incorrect or have failed to load the driver for whatever device you have

[18:26:03]

jilliano:

thanks. i guess i need to be on the lirc channel

[18:27:12]

threedaymonk:

If I want to move my mythtv storage to another disk, is it enough to copy the directory and change the value of RecordFilePrefix in settings? Am I missing anything? (I know that I can just make a symlink, by the way.)

[18:28:13]

jams:

that should work

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jilliano:

join #lirc

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threedaymonk:

thanks. I'll be back to report on my results once cp has finished.

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aarchie:

cracked it! the password was somewhat obscure and not of my creation. when I run the command I get a list of 7 5-digit numbers.

[18:31:19]

aarchie:

should i report exactly what the numbers are?

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juski:

aarchie: they should agree with numbers in the channels.conf

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juski:

btw aarchie which transmitter config file did you use when you scanned?

[18:33:04]

aarchie:

juski: i've checked and at least one of them does match.

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James:

anyone know how I can force my LCD to turn off using xset?

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aarchie:

I used uk-Hannington. And I've checked a few more. The numbers seem right for the channels I've been trying.

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juski:

hokay

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juski:

aarchie: the only thing left really is that the version of mythtv you've got is broken somehow

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juski:

maybe try one from a different repo

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jams:

for a system default should mysql.txt be located in /etc/mysql.txt or /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt ?

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juski:

/etc/mythtv/mysql.txt I think but depends on the distro

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jams:

well I would think that depends more on mythtv then the distro

[18:42:30]

juski:

nuvexport & the scripts I've seen that look for the db info look in both those places and ~/.mythtv/

[18:42:58]

jams:

right

[18:43:06]

aarchie:

juski: i've got the 'debian multimedia' packages at the moment. they have been upgraded a couple of times since I've had them installed. and none of the packages have had working radio.

[18:43:40]

madfactor:

is there a good tutorial to get MythTV to default its screen output to 16:9 even if your capture device is 4:3?

[18:43:41]

juski:

I meant which mythtv debs

[18:44:04]

juski:

madfactor: in mythfrontend, aspect override settings are in tv playback settings IIRC

[18:44:41]

madfactor:

Maybe I am asking the question wrong.

[18:45:29]

juski:

well madfactor do you have a 4:3 or 16:9 display?

[18:45:59]

madfactor:

My TV is 16:9, and my capture sources are all 4:3... I would like to configure MythTV so that I don't change the aspect settings on the TV to 4:3 to watch the program in the correct aspect.

[18:46:17]

madfactor:

That make sense?

[18:46:45]

madfactor:

My display is 16:9 and my sources configurable in myth are 4:3.

[18:46:52]

aarchie:

juski: my debs come from www.debian-multimedia.org and are version 0.20–0.5 at the moment. Is that what you are looking for?

[18:47:26]

juski:

madfactor: tv playback settings, there's an aspect override in there

[18:47:37]

juski:

will save you pressing A all of the time :)

[18:47:45]

madfactor:

What does that override to tho??

[18:47:50]

madfactor:

to=do

[18:48:02]

juski:

it forces playback to always be in a particular aspect

[18:48:55]

aarchie:

juski: can you recommend another packaging source for the debs?

[18:49:13]

juski:

aarchie: there are plenty, or you could build a newer version from source quite easily

[18:50:00]

madfactor:

OH K... there is a setting for default aspect, and a setting for override?

[18:50:15]

juski:

no. just a setting to override it by default

[18:50:23]

aarchie:

a fair point. i do try to stick to the packages to keep upgrades simple.

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aarchie:

juski: is there a way to tell what recording profile is in use?

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juski:

aarchie: default is the usual one recordings use unless you say otherwise

[19:06:05]

juski:

livetv is what all livetv uses

[19:06:27]

juski:

if you've not messed with any of them they'll all be set to sensible norms

[19:07:05]

aarchie:

Sorry- bad question. I was meaning the profile groups. At the minute I have "Hardware DVB Encoders" and "Transcoders".

[19:07:26]

aarchie:

Both seem to have sensible norms but I was wanting to check that they were actually being used.

[19:08:58]

juski:

well unless you're transcoding the transcoders profiles won't matter

[19:09:15]

juski:

livetv will _always_ be used for livetv

[19:10:37]

aarchie:

So "Live TV" within "Hardware DVB Encoders" is likely in use when I'm trying to switch to radio stations?

[19:11:05]

juski:

nevermind likely, if you're watching livetv, it's being used

[19:11:20]

aarchie:

ok. cheers.

[19:11:37]

siXy:

is it possible to rip cds in flac using mythtvs inbuilt ripper? my current cd ripping solution lacks an amount of user-friendlyness

[19:11:47]

juski:

siXy: yes

[19:12:05]

juski:

just set the appropriate setting appropriately ;)

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siXy:

well yeah i tried that but flac is not in the list

[19:13:42]

siXy:

i could just change the db, but i am silghtly reluctant to do that on my non-testing system and my testing one is down due to redhats poor xen tools

[19:14:13]

juski:

anyway time to lounge around in front of my tv, crank up the surround & drink some tins :)

[19:14:17]

juski:

ttfn

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siXy:

bb

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FunkyELF:

hey guys, where is the option to cut up an mpeg without loss?...is that within mythtv or in nuvexport?

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ormus:

hi all

[19:46:51]

Bombo:

hi, are there binary packages somewhere? for debian?

[19:47:35]

ormus:

i'm having some trouble getting audio into mythtv from my bt878 card.....can anyone help?

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|Torg|:

deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org stable main

[19:54:39]

Kazan:

anyone know how to set modprobe options that only affect one device out of several devices that use the same module? (eg ivtv)

[19:55:01]

|Torg|:

depends on the driver

[19:55:19]

Kazan:

it's ivtv

[19:55:32]

Kazan:

ivtv-0.6 specially

[19:56:09]

ormus:

I think i've seen some sample modprobe.conf's that say something like "options ivtv1 ..."

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|Torg|:

http://ivtvdriver.org/index.php/Howto

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Kazan:

ormus: really?

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munbi:

Hi, I've a problem with the last debian release for mytharchive (0.20–0.9). It hangs and complaining it can't find the file 'ma_updown.png' under the default theme subdirectory. Is mytharchive built from svn (i.e. newer than mythtv?). Someone with the same problem? Bye

[19:57:03]

ormus:

haven't tried it myself but i've seen that while looking for the solution to my problem

[19:57:32]

Kazan:

torg: i have my pvr-500 working.. i need to get my new 150, which has a different tuner chip, working

[19:58:51]

ormus:

not auto-detecting correctly?

[19:59:39]

ormus:

you can also try "options ivtv tuner=x,y ..." where x and y are the tuner types of your 500 and 150 respectively.

[19:59:44]

jams:

ormus- what sort of audio trouble?

[19:59:56]

Kazan:

not not aautodetedting correctly

[20:00:24]

ormus:

got a bt878 card (tv wonder ve which doesn't support btaudio I believe) so I have a patch cord from the tv card to line-in on the soundcard

[20:00:31]

|Torg|:

Issues and Problems

[20:00:31]

Kazan:

autodetects the TCL ones as "unknown" (type 4) – it's supposed to be 55 – while the phillips on my pvr successfully enumerate ones are type 57

[20:00:32]

|Torg|:

Note that if you have other Video4Linux driver modules present (such as components of the bttv driver) the modules to drive the tuners may conflict with the ivtv modules and prevent the card's tuners from being properly detected.

[20:00:50]

ormus:

I know the tv card is producing sound because I can plug in headphones and hear it

[20:01:14]

ormus:

if I unmute the line-in channel in my mixer then I get the live line-in feed rather than synch with the video

[20:01:26]

ormus:

if I mute the line-in channel then I get no audio at all

[20:03:16]

jams:

did you set line-in to be the capture device?

[20:03:38]

ormus:

yes

[20:03:42]

jams:

and yes it should be muted, otherwise audio is out of sync or echoed

[20:03:57]

ormus:

what mixer are you used to? kmix or alsamixer?

[20:04:06]

jams:

alsamixer

[20:04:18]

ormus:

ok..hang on

[20:04:21]

Kazan:

ormus: after putting "options ivtv tuner=55,57,57" into my /etc/modprobe.conf i modprobe -r ivtv, then modprobe ivtv'ed

[20:04:22]

Kazan:

no affect

[20:04:33]

jams:

does your card have a "capture" device?

[20:04:50]

jams:

if so you will need to enable that as well

[20:05:10]

ormus:

when I start alsamixer and hit F4, here are the items I get

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ormus:

3D control – Center, 3D control -Center 1, 3D control – Depth, 3D Control – Depth 1, Line, Line 1, CD , CD1, Mic, Mic1, Video, Video1, Phone, Phone 1, Aux, Aux1, Capture, Capture 1, Mix, Mix Mono, Mix 1, Mix Mono 1, ADC, DAC

[20:07:05]

ormus:

both Line and Line 1 say "L R CAPTUR" above them

[20:07:12]

jams:

good

[20:07:22]

ormus:

Capture and Capture 1 say the same thing and their volume levels are 100%

[20:07:33]

jams:

well that was my next question =)

[20:07:53]

ormus:

i've read the webpages :) i'm now desperate

[20:08:04]

jams:

well that looks right to me

[20:08:21]

jams:

what card do you have?

[20:08:25]

ormus:

kazan: your 500 comes first or second? maybe try tuner=57,57,55?

[20:08:36]

ormus:

57 is the tuner type of the 500?

[20:09:18]

ormus:

tv card = ati tv wonder ve, sound card, sound fusion cs46xx

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jams:

hmm a cs46

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ormus:

also have a hauppauge 350 but audio is fine from that.

[20:10:20]

ormus:

would I not be able to load snd-bt87x if my card wouldn't work with it?

[20:10:37]

iamlindoro:

Hi all-- is there a command-line way to update the video database? ie, can I place a command in my crontab to update the video database so that I can have my parents simply drop a new video in the video directory on their myth box and mythtv will update its video database without doing so through the menu?

[20:11:06]

jams:

ormus- pretty sure thats a true statement

[20:11:15]

jams:

and I know the ve doesn't support btaudio

[20:11:28]

ormus:

what is the diff between btaudio and snd-bt87x?

[20:11:33]

ormus:

same thing?

[20:11:36]

jams:

yeah

[20:11:51]

ormus:

that's odd...because I got snd-bt87x to load without error

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jams:

wait btaudio is it's own module

[20:13:05]

ormus:

iamlindoro: can you let me know if you find the answer because I also want to do that.

[20:13:41]

jams:

well I really don't know, sorry

[20:13:42]

iamlindoro:

ormus: sure, I'll let you know-- I am fairly certain it should be doable with a mysql command, just not sure what it is

[20:14:13]

ormus:

i'm sure you can find out by looking at the source for setup->video manager

[20:14:15]

Cardoe_:

Anyone have a pcHDTV 5500?

[20:14:21]

iamlindoro:

I do

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iamlindoro:

cardoe

[20:14:28]

Cardoe_:

iamlindoro: what kernel?

[20:14:33]

iamlindoro:

2.6.17

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ormus:

jams: i guess I can try to the snd-bt87x driver with /dev/dsp1

[20:14:47]

Cardoe_:

:(

[20:14:51]

Cardoe_:

I have 2.6.19

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iamlindoro:

drivers should be in kernel in 2.6.19 I think

[20:15:16]

Cardoe_:

they are

[20:15:22]

ormus:

jams: what is the difference between Line and Line 1 in alsamixer?

[20:15:25]

Cardoe_:

but I can't get Myth to work with it

[20:15:32]

Cardoe_:

since it doesn't create /dev/video# devices

[20:15:40]

Cardoe_:

it creates /dev/dvb/adaptor#

[20:15:57]

iamlindoro:

That's what mine does-- works ok for me

[20:16:40]

jams:

ormus- it means your card has two different line in ports

[20:16:51]

jams:

or at least the driver thinks it does

[20:17:21]

ormus:

maybe need to update my driver then or something because it has one line-in , one mic, one output

[20:17:22]

iamlindoro:

cardoe: you are modprobing cx88-dvb?

[20:17:55]

jams:

well it might have some headers on the card that are not being used

[20:18:04]

ormus:

i see

[20:19:53]

Kazan:

FIXED!!

[20:20:03]

Kazan:

pvr-500 comes second

[20:20:05]

ormus:

what was the fix kazan?

[20:20:10]

Kazan:

options ivtv tuner=50,57,57

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Kazan:

i had used options ivtv=55,57,57

[20:20:29]

Kazan:

didn't read the tuner IDs close enough the first time

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ormus:

anyway to test a tuner manually? I have my 350 set to higher input priority and mythtv uses it even if I say I prefer a recording to be done with the tv wonder

[20:22:03]

xris:

ormus: you mean test that it works?

[20:22:25]

Kazan:

i have them all running :P

[20:22:27]

D-side:

well, this isn't going all that great. heh

[20:22:30]

iamlindoro:

cat /dev/video# > test.mpg

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xris:

iamlindoro: only works for the 350, which he says he knows works

[20:22:43]

ormus:

i'm trying to test audio with one particular tuner

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Kazan:

i wrote nice udevrules to have aliases (symlinks) to the devices incase they shifted... but.... that was causing backend to crash

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xris:

ormus: just press Y while watching live tv and it'll switch tuners

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iamlindoro:

wasn't reading close enough, my bad

[20:23:06]

ormus:

cool..thanks

[20:23:56]

ormus:

no luck with snd-bt87x and /dev/dsp1

[20:24:08]

ormus:

should bt878 be loaded?

[20:25:12]

ormus:

kazan: I wrote a script that parses dmesg output and establishes symlinks to the /dev/video0-1–2

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aarchie:

I had a bit of success with the problems I was seeing earlier on so thought I'd report back. Seems my problems were related to importing from a channels.conf.

[20:26:45]

Kazan:

udev is more reliable

[20:26:50]

Kazan:

but... for somereason backend was being unstable

[20:27:07]

Kazan:

now.. wtf

[20:27:23]

aarchie:

I'd done that because the full scan didn't find anything. Turns out what I'd missed there was the 'free to air channels only'.

[20:27:23]

Kazan:

my new PVR has inputs setup – cable on tuner 1 (works fine), but i have manual recording source setup on Composite1

[20:27:25]

ormus:

i first tried udev but it wasn't recognizing one of my video devices

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Kazan:

hitting C won't switch me to it...

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crweb:

anyone have a firefly mini?

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aarchie:

Strangely it only seems to find DVB-T UK channels if that is de-selected. Which is weird because the channels I'm looking for are free to air, anyway.

[20:28:42]

fourcheeze:

http://mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/2006 . . . /153720.html seems to say that the kworld dvb-t 300u works with linux/myth – any idea which driver it needs?

[20:30:05]

aarchie:

and then the other problems I'd seen with only being able to see TV channels, not radio and not being able to get any guide data seem to have been due to importing from channels.conf rather than scanning. A full scan which got results sorted that all out.

[20:32:04]

aarchie:

thanks for all the help, particularly from juski, which got me on the right track.

[20:32:18]

fourcheeze:

aarchie: I've never managed to use myth to tune in to radio

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jams:

xris- after adding the include file for the db parms, mythweb appears to work without any issues under lighttpd

[20:32:43]

fourcheeze:

what's the secret there

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jams:

still need to test a couple more things, but so far it all looks good

[20:33:05]

aarchie:

fourcheeze: i hadn't either for quite a while. are you using dvb-t in the uk?

[20:33:10]

fourcheeze:

yeah

[20:33:14]

fourcheeze:

mendip transmitter

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xris:

jams: no mod_env in lighttpd?

[20:33:32]

xris:

jams: have you seen the changes I did in mythweb svn?

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uphill:

hi

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aarchie:

fourcheeze: did you set up your channel info by importing a channels.conf?

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jams:

well no I couldn't find any mod_env like thing in lighttpd

[20:34:03]

fourcheeze:

aarchie: as far as I can remember I scanned it from setup

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fourcheeze:

in fact I had to scan a few times

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uphill:

i have here a pvr with ivtv driver but i wont zap the channel; ideas?

[20:34:18]

jams:

I could hardcode the stuff into the lighttpd.conf file but thats no good

[20:34:38]

jams:

xris, I did a checkout of mythweb today but have not looked at it yet

[20:35:20]

aarchie:

fourcheeze: the secret for me was to deselect 'free to air channels only' and deleting all existing channels in mythtv-setup before running a full scan.

[20:35:38]

fourcheeze:

ahh ok, I might give that a go

[20:35:45]

aarchie:

this then found all the channels, including the radio ones, which are now tune-able.

[20:35:55]

fourcheeze:

does it record them ok?

[20:36:31]

xris:

jams: if you can get a conf file for lighttpd working, I'd really appreciate a patch

[20:36:36]

aarchie:

fourcheeze: do the radio channels appear for you to switch to? but then when you do myth complains that it can't tune?

[20:36:40]

xris:

and/or instructions. :)

[20:36:54]

fourcheeze:

aarchie: no it's never loaded them into the database

[20:37:04]

fourcheeze:

everything else works fine

[20:37:15]

fourcheeze:

and has done for ages

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aarchie:

hmm. in that case there is an option in mythtv-setup, just before you scan, to include radio channels. Maybe worth checking that?

[20:37:57]

jams:

xris- sure

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fourcheeze:

aarchie: yeah, although I think I'll back up the database first

[20:38:30]

xris:

jams: take a look at mythweb.conf.apache and see how much you can salvage for lighttpd.

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jams:

where is that file located?

[20:39:06]

aarchie:

fourcheeze: just tested and my record is working fine for radio channels.

[20:39:07]

jams:

nevermind

[20:39:23]

fourcheeze:

fourcheeze: what does it display when it plays them?

[20:39:27]

fourcheeze:

aarchie: ^^

[20:39:37]

Kazan:

wee.. now i have three good tuners.. and enough harddrive to turn off transcoding

[20:39:39]

jams:

heh it's right next to mythweb.conf.lighttpd

[20:40:18]

Kazan:

though.. my wife's shitty shows can stay transcoding :D

[20:40:37]

Kazan:

my football (with the round ball) can now be saved from transcoding though :D

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Kazan:

89 programs, using 107 GB (3 days 10 hrs 44 mins) out of 230 GB (112 GB free).

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aarchie:

fourcheeze: it shows the same show-info background that you get when you are watching radio on dvbt (was just away testing it)

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fourcheeze:

cool

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fourcheeze:

I might try adding one manually to see

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fourcheeze:

aarchie: which transmitter are you on?

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aarchie:

yeah. i'm pleased. well worth giving it a shot.

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aarchie:

emm.. there are a couple on range. hannington is usually what I choose when asked but the full scan trys them all so I'm not certain where it is sucking it from.

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fourcheeze:

ok, what's the easy way to add a second dvb card? I just got my 300U working

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ilan:

hey do any of the USB 2.0 haupauge devices work decently under linux?

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|Torg|:

1) shut down system, 2) put card in, 3) boot system, 4) see if the driver recongises the card (its its the same as the other np), 5) mythtv-setup and add card

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seth|home:

still no luck with this sata drive

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|Torg|:

damn

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|Torg|:

you sure its not firmware? and can I convince you to get another motherboard :)

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seth|home:

still says "slow to respond"

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|Torg|:

yea I looked up your chipset and basicly tehre are all kings of ppl bithcing and moaning about it in differtnt linux distros

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mianos:

re

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|Torg|:

It makes be belvie the driver is unstable

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seth|home:

wonder how I update that, or is that a kernel thing?

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|Torg|:

there are kernel patches I see but for liku ubu and gentoo

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|Torg|:

https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/ . . . 15/+bug/8893

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seth|home:

well sabayon (gentoo) have no problem with it

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|Torg|:

http://kerneltrap.org/node/3978

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seth|home:

booted the live cd, there it was

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|Torg|:

offhand you did try to apt-get a new kernel, right?

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seth|home:

no

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seth|home:

but I can

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|Torg|:

back up myth first

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|Torg|:

what verison of the BE/FE do you use?

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seth|home:

svn fixes 12167

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|Torg|:

your in the same boat as my/ copy the src to one of the partaions you arnt upgrading

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seth|home:

I really hat to risk losing everything though, all my LVM

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|Torg|:

it *should* be ok, just be safe

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mianos:

little question – hope someone can help:

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mianos:

two days ago i updatet to ubuntu edgy and now the remote is set on multimedia-keys too – i don't want that!

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|Torg|:

in theroy if you update the kernel it shoudl keep both

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mianos:

somebody an idea how i can fix this,? just the keyboard should be used for volume-control and such things

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seth|home:

what do I apt-get to do a kernel upgrade, I can't 'emerge gentoo-sources' hehe

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|Torg|:

apt-get install kernel-source

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mianos:

cause this disturbes remote-controling myth

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|Torg|:

I *think*, do a apt-cache search kernel

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seth|home:

wholly crap

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seth|home:

that was alot of stuff

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|Torg|:

mianos why do you run an experimental kernel if you dont know how to use it?

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mianos:

cause the left and right buttons of the remote are grabed by ubuntu and i can nowhere find the tool what grabs that

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mianos:

Torg what????

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crweb:

hah, my Snapstream Firefly Mini emulates a keyboard

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mianos:

what are you talking about ..

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|Torg|:

you updated your box to an unstable platform, you do realise that right?

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mianos:

not really unstable

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mianos:

its official ;)

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mianos:

http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=288229

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mianos:

^^ i found something on point 9

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mianos:

not 9 , i mean 8

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mianos:

im currently reading

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seth|home:

apt-cache search kernel, only shows the current running kernel

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seth|home:

kernel-source-2.6.15-chw-2

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seth|home:

which I have

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|Torg|:

that new mb looking better now?

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GreyFoxx:

Well, I now what about the 360 was spinning the backend out of control

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|Torg|:

I thought you already did and fixed it

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seth|home:

so how does one recompile debian kernel, and then will everything else need recompiled, if I dont change version?

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GreyFoxx:

|Torg|: No, I had found where myth was freaking, not exactly why

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|Torg|:

ahh ok

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GreyFoxx:

I now have the why and a work around

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|Torg|:

seth do you want the whole thing here, or do you want the howto page?

[21:08:28]

GreyFoxx:

the 360 is sending a packet that isn't properly terminated

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seth|home:

a howto would be great

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|Torg|:

compiing kernel is about as difficult as you can get in liniux

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GreyFoxx:

It terminates with a null with no linefeeds after

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Tidus:

ok mythtv is refusing to switch into livetv mode... it just hangs on a black screen for a bit, and then dumps back to the menu... any suggestions? i can get debug info shortly when the VC unhangs...

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|Torg|:

SEEEEE GreyFoxx, I TOLD you it was the 360s fault

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seth|home:

well I can do it with gentoo, its easy, but now there are initrd's and stuff, I have never dealt with before

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Tidus:

ivtv works fine... i can tune the card manually using ivtv-tune and it will record when i dump /dev/video into a mpeg file

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|Torg|:

you basilcy do the same, make deps, make menuconifg (or whatever you like), chose all your options, and make and make modules

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|Torg|:

its all pretty much standard, but id say if you found a distro that works install it on top of the knopmyth

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seth|home:

right, I can get through the make menuconfig make && make modules_install

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seth|home:

ack, but then I lose everything

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|Torg|:

just copy off your db, myth setup, lirc, drivers, firmware and anything else you customised on it

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seth|home:

what about /myth

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|Torg|:

were it me id got for the stability rathe rthen the maybe a new compile will work

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|Torg|:

is /myth its own parition?

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seth|home:

its on 2 partitions in LVM /dev/vg/myth

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|Torg|:

ok more exactly what partition is /

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seth|home:

/dev/hda1

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|Torg|:

what is /usr

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seth|home:

/dev/hda1

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|Torg|:

what is /var

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seth|home:

/dev/hda1

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|Torg|:

ok good so far

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|Torg|:

what is /myth

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seth|home:

/dev/hda1 has the whole thing, swap is /dev/hda2 and /myth is /dev/hda3 + /dev/hdb1

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|Torg|:

ok if you formt /dev/hda1 and install a new os it shoudl pick up your lvm

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seth|home:

really

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|Torg|:

as long as you install lvm it can read those

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seth|home:

that would rock

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|Torg|:

yes its not like your using some propriatry distro only lvm :)

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|Torg|:

btw why did you lvm the end of hda to hdb?

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seth|home:

and then export or backup my mysql db to /myth before, and my ~/.mythtv/lircrc file

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seth|home:

it was available, was that bad

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|Torg|:

yea id copy (well tar) /etc to /myth as well as /home/mythtv

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|Torg|:

bad for performance, yes

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|Torg|:

what rai setup is it?

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Tidus:

ok mythtv is refusing to switch into livetv mode... it just hangs on a black screen for a bit, and then dumps back to the menu... any suggestions? i can get debug info shortly when the VC unhangs...

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|Torg|:

err raid

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Tidus:

ok mythtv is refusing to switch into livetv mode... it just hangs on a black screen for a bit, and then dumps back to the menu... any suggestions? i can get debug info shortly when the VC unhangs...

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Tidus:

whoops

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Tidus:

stupid up arrow bein too close to enter

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seth|home:

it is striped, no redundanc

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seth|home:

redundancy

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|Torg|:

same size???

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seth|home:

in other words its concatenated together, to form one large pool, not the greatest, but all I had to work with

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|Torg|:

at best what you have done is setup hda for drive head contention

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crweb:

my IR remote does keyboard emulation, but I can't see what some of the keys signal, what can i do?

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|Torg|:

but you can fix that with your new drive :)_

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seth|home:

hda3 = 220GB hdb1=100GB

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Tidus:

basically, mythtv is throwing a StartRecorder error saying that it's timing out while trying to start the recorder

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juski:

striping is baaad

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seth|home:

my intention was to get the new drive installed, make it a new vg, copy the old vg to it, and then go from there

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juski:

my intention is to get to know lvm one day :)

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|Torg|:

ahh ok, you dont have to make it a vg if you dont want to

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seth|home:

but then how do I add the 220GB to the 500GB

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|Torg|:

expand the raidset and grow the fs

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|Torg|:

not exactly best practice, but it works

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Tidus:

nevermind... i fixed it

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Tidus:

set up ivtv-tune -c as the custom channel change command

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Tidus:

ok now i have another question.

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Tidus:

i got mythtv to start recording when i tell it to tune the card using ivtv-tune -c ... but what do i tack on to the end of that to make it recognize the channel number so it can change channels ?

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Tidus:

the ivtv docs aren't being very helpful, and i'm stuck on channel 2

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Tidus:

er... 10 rather

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juski:

the channel change command only gets sent the channel's freqid

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Tidus:

i can change channels manually using ivtv-tune -c <channel number>

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Tidus:

so my question is... what do i put into mythtv-setup in place of <channel number>

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Vantage13:

hi. Anyone have any hardware recommendations for a small, quiet, mythtv frontend?

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Anduin:

Tidus: myth is perfectly capable of chancing the channel on ivtv cards without using their script.

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Tidus:

Anduin, one problem. if i dont use that ivtv-tune line... mythtv errors out claiming it can't start the recorder

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Tidus:

my card is a hauppage pvr-150 if it helps

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Anduin:

Tidus: fix that

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Tidus:

Anduin, how? that's where i'm a bit suck

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Tidus:

stuck *

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Vantage13:

Tidus: which pvr-150 ?

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Anduin:

Tidus: run the backend with -v all,nodatabase and see what is failing

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Tidus:

Vantage13, the MCE one

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Vantage13:

Tidus: which kernel and which version of ivtv?

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Tidus:

Vantage13, kernel 2.6.18-ck1-r2 and ivtv v0.8.1

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Vantage13:

Tidus: hrmm I just finished setting up a machine with two pvr-150's using 2.6.17 and 0.7.1. Can you cat /dev/video0 > output.mpg and get output?

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Tidus:

Vantage13, yes

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Tidus:

the card works

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Tidus:

i can change channels manually using ivtv-tune -c <chan number> then 'cat /dev/video0 > ~/test.mpg' and watch the resultant file

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Anduin:

Tidus: It isn't just a perms problem?

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Tidus:

Anduin, nevermind... i fixed it

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Tidus:

dumb error on my part

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Vantage13:

Tidus: what was it?

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Tidus:

i deleted all capture cards and recreated em

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Tidus:

i forgot to set the channel list for that input

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Vantage13:

ah...

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Tidus:

it was on 'default' ... needed to be on 'us-cable'

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** Tidus feels stupid... **

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Vantage13:

eh, it happens. I did tons of silly things like that when I set up my last one...

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Tidus:

lol

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Tidus:

like ?

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Vantage13:

I was setting up two tuner cards. One for s-video and one on the tuner. You can't imagine the number of times I did a config change on the wrong one :)

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Tidus:

lol

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Tidus:

oh i've done that.

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Tidus:

a lot

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Tidus:

another of my oopses was trying to setup mythtv (backend AND frontend) on a via-c3 800mhz with 512mb ram

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Tidus:

that ran problematic at best

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Vantage13:

how is that for a frontend? I'm looking for something small and quiet to use as a fontend in the bedroom for the one I just setup

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Tidus:

for frontend only it runs great

[21:49:36]

Tidus:

the 800 has a small fan on the processor, but even then, i had to strain to hear that system run

[21:49:57]

Tidus:

via-c3 800mhz with 512mb ram and a single quiet 20gb disk

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Tidus:

and i turned the power supply fan all the way down ... the whole setup used 55 watts of power under full load.

[21:50:32]

Zider:

I assume you don't intend to run hdtv ;)

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Tidus:

Zider, not on that machine i didnt

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Zider:

I wonder how well a C7 performs..

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Tidus:

this one was built just to be a small frontend ... had a dvd player in it, and the main recorder backend was in a diff room

[21:52:12]

Tidus:

the main backend is a dual amd athlon 2000 with 2gb ram and 360gb of disk available

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Scopeuk:

hmm

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Scopeuk:

im contemplating retiring the proc and gfx out of this sytem at christmas

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Scopeuk:

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Scopeuk:

ussignthe hdd out of the current one

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Scopeuk:

be nice to be able to play again

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Tidus:

now all i gotta figure out is how to get mythtv to use channel names instead of "Adding Channel ##"

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Scopeuk:

what you guys think of the a64 3200+ as a backend proc?

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Tidus:

Scopeuk, that should be plenty for a dual tuner setup

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Scopeuk:

interesting

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Tidus:

i'm running dual amd athlon 2000s with a single tuner

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Scopeuk:

would involve gettign hold of two tuners but thats not to much of an issue

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Tidus:

the whole thing is using maybe 10% of a single processor

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Tidus:

that's with the backend running and frontend going on same machine watching live tv

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Scopeuk:

yeh

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Scopeuk:

whould be on an nvidia 5750 gfx

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sceo:

can anyone with a pvr-350 tell me what the capture card setup is supposed to look like in mythtv-setup ? is the card type supposed "analog v4l capture card" ?

[21:56:34]

fourcheeze:

Scopeuk: I just spent £18 at savastore on a kworld dvb-t 300u and it seems to work

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Scopeuk:

could work

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Tidus:

helps that my tv card has hardware mpeg-2 ... hauppauge pvr-150

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Tidus:

sceo, switch it to mpeg-2 capture

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fourcheeze:

tuners are cheap ATM

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Tidus:

sceo, that card is almost exactly like mine, except yours has tv-out on it

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Scopeuk:

ill wait 2 weeks then order stuff that way i can have it delivered to my ha rarther than my uni ady and i can be in to wait for it

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Scopeuk:

fourcheeze the 300u being a usb uner right?

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fourcheeze:

yeah

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Scopeuk:

that get on alright with everything?

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fourcheeze:

seems so far

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Scopeuk:

then again i spose theres no risk of it havign to deal with hd in the forseable future and its not liek the box is under powered

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fourcheeze:

just watched Strictly Come Dancing on it

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Tidus:

Scopeuk, if it helps any, my gfx card is a geforce 6800

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fourcheeze:

the process of getting the mpeg stream onto hard drive isn't at all intensive

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Scopeuk:

Tidus i know this proc is fast enough to do soft mpeg 2/divx becouse ive done it

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fourcheeze:

it only starts being a problem if you're encoding from raw video at the same time

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Scopeuk:

fourcheeze ill jsut have to be carefull abou tthe mobo eg bad chipset design could screw with the usb ports

[22:01:27]

fourcheeze:

I've got a fairly bog standard mobo and single AMD64 3GHz

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Scopeuk:

fourcheeze the 3200 is only 2 ghz

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Scopeuk:

still pleant quick though

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Scopeuk:

hell id considere retiring the whole system to myth duty

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sceo:

tidus: THANK you! I went through a hellish upgrade today, and that's more or less the last major thing I needed to get working. For whatever reason, I used to have Tuner0 before the upgrade, which I was configured to use... but after the upgrade only had Tuner1 so had to reconfig the whole thing and forgot how it was supposed to look

[22:05:52]

Igg-man:

Should XvMC make my playback worse?

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Tidus:

sceo, not a problem

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Scopeuk:

lgg-man define worse

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Tidus:

got one more question... how do i make mythtv use the station names provided by zap2it instead of "Adding Channel ##" ?

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Igg-man:

Scopeuk: The playback of HD goes from pausing every 5 seconds (or so) to studdering almost every frame

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Scopeuk:

in which case no it shouldent

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Igg-man:

cool

[22:09:04]

Igg-man:

Huh, I must have something wrong somewhere then

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Igg-man:

Should I see messages about agpgart in dmesg?

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Igg-man:

Is "Fast writes" something that should be enabled?

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Tidus:

got one more question... how do i make mythtv use the station names provided by zap2it instead of "Adding Channel ##" ?

[22:15:28]

Anduin:

Tidus: Don't channel scan, let mythfilldatabase fill it in.

[22:15:41]

Tidus:

Anduin, i did let mythfilldb run

[22:15:46]

Tidus:

should i nuke the channel list and try again?

[22:15:57]

Anduin:

Tidus: If you did the analog channel scan it won't overwrite it.

[22:16:31]

Anduin:

Tidus: I think you can get away with one of the mfdb --update options as well

[22:16:38]

Tidus:

k so what should i do now that i've done stuff in the wrong order? lol

[22:17:18]

Anduin:

Tidus: try --do-channel-updates

[22:17:32]

Tidus:

mfdb --do-channel-updates ?

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|Torg|:

Tidus do you have ATSC channels?

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Anduin:

yup

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Tidus:

|Torg|, no... this box doesn't have an atsc tuner

[22:18:43]

Tidus:

-su: mfdb: command not found

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Tidus:

oh... mythfilldatabase...

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Anduin:

Tidus: Yeah, I shortened the name to save typing, mythfilldatabase --do-channel-updates

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|Torg|:

Tidus you do know what that command does, right?

[22:19:52]

Tidus:

updates the program guide i take it

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Tidus:

and that option updates channel names

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|Torg|:

erases all the channels

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Tidus:

i already wiped the channel list before running that

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crweb:

does anyone know how to link keys like XF86Back to mythtv? It seems to just ignore my settings

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Anduin:

Tidus: There should have been no need to wipe it clean before.

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Tidus:

Anduin, meh... i always overkill it

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Tidus:

works now just like it should

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Tidus:

now i gotta turn up the quality settings for livetv

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|Torg|:

its goping to overwrite all your chanels with teh zap2it informaiotj. I dont know what it will do not nornal bcast but if you were sing ATSC it woul give you a useless set of channels to whach myth would simply make 0 lenght recordings and not show any video

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Anduin:

|Torg|: In this case, that is exactly what he wanted.

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ormus:

is there anyway to stop a yum update of mythbackend from overwriting mainmenu.xml?

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|Torg|:

the resultant chanelks from DD btw cant be used to tune ATSC without editing

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|Torg|:

I dont know if it does the same for NTSC

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Anduin:

ormus: Only if the spec file treated it like a config file

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Anduin:

|Torg|: It isn't, for "normal" TV it just works (and for ATSC should work now)

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Vantage13:

Tidus: heck, I've got a celeron 2.66Ghz for my backend and frontend (dual tuner) with 1GB of ram and it's plenty

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|Torg|:

when did they fix ATSC;/

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Anduin:

ormus: You can copy mainmenu.xml to ~/.mythtv/mainmenu.xml and the theme loader should use it.

[22:24:26]

Anduin:

|Torg|: I say should in that zap2it does send the info, and it is in the DB, I don't actually use it :)

[22:25:06]

ormus:

thanks

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|Torg|:

well as of 2 weeks ago, and it still was the same way yesterday when I checkd, DD does not have freq and pid info myth needs to tune chanels

[22:25:26]

Vantage13:

Tidus: what case do you have for your front-end?

[22:25:45]

Tidus:

Vantage13, i sold that old frontend i built

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Anduin:

|Torg|: Yeah, nothing has changed since you last tried.

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Tidus:

it was a standard atx mid-tower painted black and sat behind my entertainment center

[22:26:24]

Tidus:

had a usb2 dvd-rw sitting in the entertainmetn center for dvd playing

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Tidus:

even standing right on top of it you had to strain to hear it run

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Mrgoose:

mythtv on the xbox for the frontend is slow

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Vantage13:

wouldn't want an xbox for the frontend anyway, too ugly and loud :)

[22:30:13]

Vantage13:

and too microsoft :)

[22:30:33]

Vantage13:

i've got the asus pundit-r currently, which is a really nice size

[22:30:56]

Vantage13:

but I was hoping to find something cheaper if possible

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Mrgoose:

i cant afford to purchase anything

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Tidus:

right now my backend / frontend combo is sitting in a thermaltake tsunami black case with side window

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Mrgoose:

but xbox has component output which i like

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Tidus:

it's a bit loud tho

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Mrgoose:

so yea

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Mrgoose:

makes tv look a little better

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Vantage13:

I just use S-video out here. my tv's are pretty old :)

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Tidus:

heck, my 2 year old tv doesn't even have component in

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Tidus:

s-video is as good as it gets on mine as well

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BULLE:

Mrgoose: an nvidia card with component output costs like 50usd or so

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Tidus:

BULLE, never seen one with component... seen em with svideo tho

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Zider:

svideo/composite is all I've ever had and seen

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BULLE:

Tidus: oh ? nearly all of the 7300 cards shipped here are sold with "hdtv" capability, that means component output

[22:37:42]

BULLE:

Tidus: same goes for more expensive models

[22:38:01]

BULLE:

i have one

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Tidus:

BULLE, never seen a 7xxx series card long enough to see what outputs it has

[22:38:12]

Tidus:

all i got is a 6800

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BULLE:

i think i paid something like usd 45 for it

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Zider:

6600 here

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Zider:

at best

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BULLE:

7300gs, passively cooled

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fryfrog:

I'm pretty sure all it really is is a vga/dvi -> component cable that the cards come with

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BULLE:

fryfrog: nah

[22:39:08]

fryfrog:

not sure how feasible it is, perhaps the card can tell when the cable is used and just alter's its output?

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BULLE:

fryfrog: it has a funky connector, instead of svideo out, you connect a breakout box to it

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fryfrog:

ahhhhhh, breakout box

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BULLE:

the breakoutbox has svideo, component, and composite outputs on it

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Tidus:

oh... kinda like that weird connector that the ati all in wonders have...

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Mrgoose:

i go component out from my xbox to my hd tv

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BULLE:

Tidus: it looks a lot like a svideo, just way more pins on it

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fryfrog:

its just a shame the old xbox can't actually *do* hd :(

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Tidus:

BULLE, did you know that if you dont connect the breakout box, that connector does still function as an svideo?

[22:40:52]

Tidus:

the 4 pins for svideo as well as the locator pin are in the correct spot, and they pin out correctly

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Tidus:

i have seen one of those... on a geforce 5950

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BULLE:

Tidus: oh, didnt know,i just looked quickly at the connector, noticed lots of more pins, and then connected the breakout box, and connected component output to tv, and it worked nicely =)

[22:42:52]

Tidus:

meh... my next tv is going to have a dvi in

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madd_matt:

:s Should nuvexport take a really long time? Like, slower than realtime?

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GreyFoxx:

madd_matt: Much slower than realtime

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GreyFoxx:

much

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BULLE:

madd_matt: totaly depends on how fast your computer is and what encoding options and formats you have choosen

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phatmonkey:

even though i have told mythtv not to mark new recordings with commercial flags, mythcommflag still runs. how come? i emptied the job queue when i changed the setting

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BULLE:

madd_matt: but as GreyFoxx says, i would expect it way slower hten realtime, if you choose some high quality video format

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Tidus:

ok... problem

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Tidus:

mythtv is not seeing my audio card.

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madd_matt:

BULLE: I just used nuvexport-dvd, and went with defaults. 2 hour movie takes 3 hours to convert.

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BULLE:

madd_matt: seems very reasonable to me

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madd_matt:

BULLE: Somebody told me though that because i've already got mpeg2 recordings it shouldn't take long at all — I'm using a pvr150 to record with.

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BULLE:

madd_matt: if you have used the correct recording profile, you will already have dvd compatible mpeg2, and then yes, nuvexport is not needed

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madd_matt:

Okay. Well, I'll just let the nuvexport run, since I won't be watching the DVD until later anyways.

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Tidus:

ok... this is getting annoying.

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Vantage13:

Tidus: I'm pretty sure mythtv doesn't see audio cards?

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Tidus:

first i couldn't get the tuner to work... now the audio card is failing to show up in the audio setup spot...

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mythabuser:

can anyone tell me how difficult would it be to upgrade my system to fedora core 6 and not loose my recordings?

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Tidus:

meh... need to let the brain cool off... gonna ignore sound for now

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Igg-man:

Is the message "VideoOutputXv: XvMCTex: Init failed" a problem? Does it indicate that I'm not actually using XvMC?

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Dagmar:

Could be

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Igg-man:

I found a post that says otherwise

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Igg-man:

Darn... I was hoping to find out why this thing plays back so slow

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Dagmar:

Mythabuser: Not very hard actually. If you kepe the same major/minor version of MySQL, you can just keep the databases and videos where they are and it should just work

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Igg-man:

http://threebit.net/mail-archive/mythtv-dev/msg03726.html

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Dagmar:

Mythabuser: If you're *upgrading* MySQL from 4 to 5, I'd suggest using mysql's db dumper to dump the databases to a flat file you can reimport really easily when you're done

[23:14:46]

Dagmar:

<GM>[Kaznata] whispers: You crashed our servers and want the loot?

[23:14:51]

Dagmar:

<GM>[Kaznata] whispers: They dropped a whole room full of angry IT people. They are EoP. That is Explode on Pickup. =P doh mis-paste

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Igg-man:

Can anyone see anything funny here: http://pastebin.ca/265035

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Dagmar:

2006-12–02 17:15:16.584 VideoOutputXv Error: ProcessFrameXvMC: Failed to get OSD lock

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Dagmar:

...and if that URL you posted earlier has anything to do with *your* problem, then also "2006-12–02 17:15:15.847 VideoOutputXv: XvMC Adaptor Name: 'NV17 Video Overlay'" is *highly* questionable

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Dagmar:

The feature doesn't work on Via chipsets, but it's supposed to work *fine* on nVidia cards

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Igg-man:

Huh

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Dagmar:

huh what

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Igg-man:

I don't have a Via chipset. It's an SIS (I'm farily sure)

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Igg-man:

I'll google around

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Igg-man:

I was thinking it may have been the "Guessing at sync" line, perhaps it's just playing too slow

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Dagmar:

I was under the impression that only nVidia cards have the NVxx designations

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Igg-man:

Does my screen resolution need to match the video if I'm going to use XvMC?

[23:25:58]

Dagmar:

No, but it helps

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Igg-man:

/proc/driver/nvidia/card/0 says Model: GeForce4 MX 4000

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defi__3x:

Alright guys I've tried everything and am out of ideas. I've tried upgrading to an svn release, upgrading ivtv drivers, setting PCI latencys, tweaking network, etc...; but every time a program changes my frontend freezes up. Any suggestions?

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Igg-man:

Mine is set to 1280x720 (native for the TV)

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Igg-man:

defi__3x: Are you trying to watch livetv?

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defi__3x:

Igg-man: yeah it happens during livetv

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Igg-man:

defi__3x: Are you using the IVTV drivers built into the kernel, or using the ones from IVTV directly?

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defi__3x:

Igg-man: the ones from ivtv

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defi__3x:

Igg-man: didn't know they where in the 2.6.17 branch

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Dagmar:

They aren't.

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Igg-man:

defi__3x: I did that once too. My problem was that it was trying to use the kernel drivers instead. I had to disable stuff, then recompile

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Igg-man:

oh

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Igg-man:

I remember having something wrong, I guess my memory must be failing

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Dagmar:

There was some very painful screwiness with ~2.6.15

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Dagmar:

2.6.17.13 should not have any colliding module names

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` is now known as Jeeva

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Dagmar:

...assuming of course you're using the correct version of ivtv with it

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Igg-man:

ah, okay

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Igg-man:

this was some time ago

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defi__3x:

Yeah the drivers I think are functioning properly it only happens whe a program change occurs, every half-hopur, hour, etc...

[23:31:45]

Dagmar:

Yeah, after 2.6.15's madness I think they realized they would need to be a wee bit more careful about making sure that their modules transit into the kernel smoothly

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Igg-man:

are the nvidia drivers supposed to have their own internal AGP support?

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Dagmar:

They do

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defi__3x:

Igg-man: they can if you chose it

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Dagmar:

It really doesn't matter if you use the kernel's AGP driver or not

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Dagmar:

The default behaviour of the nVidia driver is to use NVAGP (nvidia's AGP driver) if agpgart isn't already loaded by the kernel

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Igg-man:

Dagmar: Alright. That's good. I couldn't get the nVidia AGP to work, but I've had it working in the past

[23:33:25]

Dagmar:

I moved up to an 8X AGP board early on, so I kept seeing that pop up

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Dagmar:

2.4.x's support for 8X AGP chipsets is practically nonexistant

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Dagmar:

...but thanks to NVAGP, most people don't even realize it

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Dagmar:

Crap. I forgot to call Linden Labs *again*

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Igg-man:

I'm running 2.6

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Dagmar:

Igg-man: You're using 9629?

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defi__3x:

Any ideas on my tv lockups?

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Igg-man:

Who's that?

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Dagmar:

defi__3x: the backend shoudn't be able to affect the frontend like that

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Igg-man:

9629 what?

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Dagmar:

Igg-man: The nVidia driver version

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Igg-man:

Is that old/new?

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Dagmar:

That's the latest x86 32-bit driver version

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Igg-man:

It's whatever gentoo put in (though, it's been a while)

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Dagmar:

http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux_display_ia32_1.0-9629.html

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Dagmar:

Okay, so basically Gentoo may or may not have installed your nVidia driver worth a damn

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defi__3x:

Dagmar: So your saying that its got to be located in the frontendonly?

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Igg-man:

alright, I'll play with that

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feld:

got a question

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feld:

say i want to clear the previously recorded flag for all "Family Guy" tv shows so they start recording again

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Igg-man:

Got 8776, nice

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feld:

is there a simple way to do that? and does it remove my "previously recorded" show count?

[23:38:30]

feld:

or alter, rather?

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defi__3x:

feld: I record all those also, I would say you have to manually go into the database

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Dagmar:

defi__3x: What the backend does, it does whether or not the frontend even exists on the same machine

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defi__3x:

Dagmar: makes sense because the backend transitions to the next recording withou a problem

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feld:

defi__3x: damn, there's gotta be a simple way to do an SQL statement that will go thru and set them to be recorded again

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Dagmar:

defi__3x: Is it doing this only when you're watching livetv or does it happen when you're say, just looking at a menu someplace

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Dagmar:

feld: You dont' have to go through that madness. Look under recently recorded programs.

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Dagmar:

I can't tell you where the hell that is in the frontend tho

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feld:

Dagmar: then i'd have to do one at a time, right?

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feld:

that would suck

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Dagmar:

I kinda stumble into that section every now and then

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Dagmar:

Yeah, you'd have to do them one at a time

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Igg-man:

Argh... got to reboot, can't unload module

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feld:

yeah i want to do them all in one fell swoop ;)

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Dagmar:

Igg-man: Yes you can. Kill X.

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defi__3x:

Dagmar: only happens when a program change occurs on the channel im watching, a simple escape > watch tv fixes it but I really don't think I should have to do that

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Dagmar:

Kill X and just to be sure you know this, do NOT use rivafb with teh nVidia kernel module.

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Dagmar:

It does not "play nice" with anything but vesafb

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Dagmar:

it's neither party's fault, either

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Dagmar:

defi__3x: Huh? What kind of program change are you talking about?

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Dagmar:

Bleh. If he'd just kill X he'd be able to unload the modules

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Dagmar:

defi__3x: What exactly is going on when whatever problem you're having manifests? I dont' think I've seen you explicitly define that yet

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defi__3x:

Dagmar: ok, friends is on at 7:00, Family guy is on at 7:30, both on the same channel; when it transitions from 7:00 to 7:30 my livetv locksup

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feld:

can anyone confirm — do I actually have to delete them from the "oldrecorded" table?

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Dagmar:

defi__3x: What tuner card do you have?

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defi__3x:

feld: Probobly, did you get therfe from the frontend or the DB

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feld:

from the db

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feld:

Mysql Query Browser is handy

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feld:

i could do a search and delete here

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feld:

but i think that's lame =/

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Dagmar:

...provided you don't accidentally bufu the database with it

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feld:

i'm scouring the other tables though

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Dagmar:

defi__3x: What tuner card do you have?

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defi__3x:

Dagmar: pvr150

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Dagmar:

OKay, how are you managing to watch that under LiveTV in the first place then?

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Dagmar:

You've got just one pvr150, right?

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defi__3x:

no two but only one is in use

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Dagmar:

Okay, something is probably bufu in your config then

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Dagmar:

BOTH should be in use in that scenario

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Dagmar:

One should be recording, and the other should be the one that's getting used for LiveTV

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Dagmar:

You can't watch (through LiveTV) a program that's being broadcast while it's scheduled for a recording

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Dagmar:

The frontend normally kicks you out of LiveTV after giving you a warning

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Dagmar:

...it'll tell you to go look the show up under the recorded programs and watch it from there

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defi__3x:

Dagmar: ok sorry I must have confused you but NEITHER is scheduled to be recorded its just being watched on live-tv

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Dagmar:

OKay, sounds more like something is screwing up in the backend then

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defi__3x:

Dagmar: Basically I put livetv on channel 2 and every time a program change occurs it locks-up

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Dagmar:

Check the mythbackend log file

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defi__3x:

nothing

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Dagmar:

...and if it's not saying anything obviously bad at the half-hour, then stop it, turn up the verbosity on the logging, and start it back up

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defi__3x:

frontend has some "prebuffer pauses..." and "waiting for .... to become available"

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Dagmar:

Yeah that's the point at which the backend *should* be transitioning to a new file to record to

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defi__3x:

In about 9 minutes it'll do it again and i'll check to make sure the new file is created

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Dagmar:

There's a few ways that can break and/or wobble, the most common I know of being when UDMA support is off or broken

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feld:

Aha! to all: If you use MythWeb you can tell it to "Check for duplicates in: All recordings, new episodes, previous recordings, and current recordings"

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Dagmar:

For whatever reason, when UDMA support is off, PCI buses tend to get unhappy about tuner cards

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feld:

if I tell it to check for duplicates in "current recordings" it should re-record them again

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Dagmar:

feld: Damn I'm sorry. I *knew* that way was in there and easier, I jsut didn't think of it

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feld:

you can probably do that thru the frontend too

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** Dagmar smacks his forehead **

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feld:

im sure you can now that i think about it

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Dagmar:

It can be done through the frontend, but it's a LOT easier to find that information through MythWeb

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Dagmar:

I think it's down under the system status menus in the frontend

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feld:

Dagmar: no i think it's in your scheduling advanced menus

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Dagmar:

feld: No the bit I was referring to where it's alittle easier to get at is in the recordings history

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feld:

ohhh

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Dagmar:

There's an entry in there that lists what you've dumped, what's expired, and so forth as one contiguous chronological list

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Dagmar:

Generally that's where I go to fix it when I oops and erase something and accidentally tell it not to record it again when I didnt' mean to

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Dagmar:

...but it's MUCH easier to find that same data through mythweb

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feld:

yeah mythweb is a godsend

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Dagmar:

Well, for some things

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Dagmar:

I just wish there was a simple way to assign thumbnails to videos through it

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feld:

mmm that shouldnt be hard to code up though

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Dagmar:

I gotta use both mythweb and MythVideo to annotate the recordings I punt into MythVideo

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feld:

i see

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Dagmar:

feld: It gets messy for PHP tho

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Dagmar:

I started to go ahead and do it and then after about 20 minutes of foul language just gave it up

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feld:

i see

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feld:

i need more hard drive space now

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feld:

i only have 400GB for recording

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Dagmar:

I've only got 500Gb

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feld:

i could use a terabyte then i'd surly be able to keep seasons worth of TV

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Dagmar:

Maybe you might wanna focus on getting transcoding working solidly and have it jsut auto-transcode everything to XviD

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feld:

*surely

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feld:

I've considered it

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Dagmar:

Mine is mostly working, but I seem to be managing to somehow always lose the cutlist information

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tracy_:

but once it is in XviD, am i correct in saying you cannot burn it to dvd?

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Dagmar:

You can, you just have to transcode it

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feld:

my mythtv box is an amd 3000+ 32bit with 512mb of ram

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