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| [00:05:33] | rogue780: | if I put a pvr-150 in my frontend, do I have to run mythbackend on that box as well in order to watch live tv on it? |
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| [00:09:19] | Fnc: | anyone know what these means? |
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| [00:11:36] | Fnc: | nm you get a lot more response from google when you spell mythtv correct |
| [00:12:46] | Saviq: | lol |
| [00:14:32] | psofa: | LOL |
| [00:14:54] | psofa: | Gazo, i use vlc |
| [00:19:21] | Gazo: | do you find that it works well ? .. Are there any special options for vlc and mythtv ? |
| [00:20:44] | Gazo: | other than in the mythtv wiki ? |
| [00:21:00] | siXy: | Gazo, unless you have agood reason for doing so i would reccomend mplayer, as its been the mythvideo player for a long time now and is a lot more tested |
| [00:21:45] | Gazo: | O.k thanks siXy .. that's kinda what I was wondering :) |
| [00:22:52] | siXy: | its cant do quite as much as xine or vlc... but is sufficent for most needs. dont use it for dvds, however |
| [00:24:06] | Gazo: | I've just been using the internal one for dvd's which seems to be working fine .. |
| [00:24:51] | Gazo: | I'm mostly thinking about mythvideo .. i want to play xvid and divx .. |
| [00:25:07] | siXy: | yeah the internal one works great for almost everything. some menus are slightly buggy is the only thing so far but that will hopefully be fixed soon |
| [00:25:20] | Gazo: | ok , thanks :) |
| [00:27:10] | Gazo: | now I just need to try and get mythstream to work correctly :P |
| [00:28:48] | siXy: | mythstream |
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| [00:29:21] | Gazo: | http://home.kabelfoon.nl/~moongies/streamtuned.html |
| [00:29:43] | siXy: | i think thats gone now in .20 |
| [00:30:07] | Gazo: | Well , he says it works with myth20 on his page .. |
| [00:30:18] | Gazo: | its not a default plugin .. |
| [00:30:20] | siXy: | hmm. what version of it are you running? |
| [00:30:23] | Gazo: | its third party .. |
| [00:30:33] | Gazo: | allows you to play shoutcast streams etc .... |
| [00:30:40] | siXy: | yeah i know what it is |
| [00:30:43] | Gazo: | well it's supposed to anyway :P |
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| [00:30:55] | siXy: | what version of it are you running? |
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| [00:31:42] | levander: | Anybody got a good page to read about what it's like to hook my Myth box up to a cable box for purposes of digital cable? |
| [00:31:49] | Gazo: | the latest o the page .. ahh .. mythstream-v0.17_2.tar.gz |
| [00:31:51] | Zider: | mythstream works just fine here |
| [00:32:01] | Zider: | only 0.17 tho |
| [00:32:22] | Gazo: | really ? .. hmm maybe I should try installing an older one ... |
| [00:32:44] | Gazo: | what version of mythtv are you using Zider ? |
| [00:33:20] | Zider: | 0.20something |
| [00:33:24] | Gazo: | What kind of player does it use ... ? Internal ? |
| [00:33:34] | Gazo: | ok .. well at least theres hope :P |
| [00:33:45] | Zider: | mythstream uses mplayer |
| [00:33:54] | Gazo: | ok .. cool ... |
| [00:34:05] | siXy: | Gazo, ymmv. legacy plugins do not work for everyone. |
| [00:35:05] | Gazo: | ok .. do you know if there is any other kind of this functionality with any other myth plugins (being actively supported?) .. I love the idea of plaging streaming content .. |
| [00:35:11] | siXy: | mythstream hasnt been updated since 0.17 and for at least some people is broken. if it works for Zider however it may work for you too. |
| [00:35:33] | Gazo: | I think I'm going to try that specific version ... |
| [00:35:39] | siXy: | Gazo, if you want to play streamed content i would advocate exploring vlc as your mythvideo player |
| [00:36:05] | Gazo: | hehe ... ok ... |
| [00:36:08] | Zider: | Gazo: I believe mythmusic is planned to get that functionality some day, but Idunno if anything has been done yet |
| [00:36:51] | siXy: | Zider, as far as i know thats a long way off. mythmusic needs urgent work done on it before new features are added |
| [00:37:02] | Zider: | siXy: true |
| [00:37:14] | Gazo: | hopfully I can get it working .. the plugin loads fine and everything .. it loads up fine and dandy .. it just doesn't parse any streams .. it just says "invalid url" :( |
| [00:37:14] | Zider: | like a usable interface ;) |
| [00:37:19] | siXy: | yeah :) |
| [00:37:25] | Gazo: | :P |
| [00:37:33] | Zider: | Gazo: have you entered the urls correctly? :P |
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| [00:37:57] | siXy: | im kind of working on it, as is juski, but beyond a coupla pretty concept sketches nothing has been done of any value so far |
| [00:40:55] | eskil: | Zider, there's a shoutcast patch for mythmusic at http://eskil.org/mythtv/. |
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| [00:41:29] | Zider: | nah, I'm not patching |
| [00:41:30] | eskil: | It should be update for svn head, not for 0.20. |
| [00:41:39] | Zider: | I wait for it to be properly released |
| [00:42:10] | eskil: | Well, that's going to be a long time. |
| [00:42:22] | Gazo: | hehe ... |
| [00:42:24] | Zider: | well, until then, mythstream works ;) |
| [00:42:38] | Gazo: | well for you maybe :P |
| [00:43:03] | Zider: | ofcourse :D |
| [00:43:05] | Gazo: | I'm changing some of the parser options ... hopefully it will work .. |
| [00:43:08] | siXy: | tbh im quite surprised that a 0.17 plugin works with the .20 backend |
| [00:43:48] | Gazo: | well the latest version was out on 2006 oct 13 .. that's not THAT long ago .. |
| [00:44:11] | xris: | siXy: frontend. and just means that it doesn't really do anything other than sit in the menu |
| [00:44:48] | xris: | Gazo: latest version of what? |
| [00:45:22] | xris: | oh, mythstream. apparently unofficial, which would explain why I've never seen it in the source tree. lol |
| [00:45:34] | Gazo: | hehe .. |
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| [00:45:49] | Zider: | ;) |
| [00:46:11] | Zider: | xris: unfortunately unofficial yes |
| [00:46:33] | siXy: | xris, surely it needs some kind of interaction from the backend? |
| [00:47:06] | ** Cardoe sighs. ** | |
| [00:47:11] | ** Cardoe kicks Myth ** | |
| [00:47:54] | xris: | siXy: not really. just database login info, which can be pulled from mysql.txt. |
| [00:48:06] | Cardoe: | mythweb is giving me an internal server error |
| [00:48:14] | xris: | Cardoe: svn? |
| [00:48:21] | Cardoe: | 0.20-fixes |
| [00:48:24] | siXy: | fair enough |
| [00:48:36] | xris: | Cardoe: odd. I haven't touched that recently. |
| [00:48:38] | xris: | what's the error? |
| [00:48:43] | Cardoe: | xris: 500 |
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| [00:48:52] | xris: | Cardoe: and now would be the time to look in the apache logs |
| [00:49:17] | Cardoe: | xris: well myth frontend starts and it draws the background and hangs |
| [00:49:23] | Cardoe: | I haven't changed squat in like 3–4 weeks |
| [00:49:56] | xris: | Cardoe: apache error logs should give you the actual error |
| [00:49:58] | Cardoe: | I powered off the box to stick in the pcHDTV... but didn't compile the kernel modules |
| [00:51:44] | Cardoe: | unable to connect to backend |
| [00:52:01] | Cardoe: | oddly enough restarting apache and then refreshing the page gives me the pretty error version |
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| [00:52:39] | Cardoe: | ah that's right |
| [00:52:52] | Cardoe: | Myth segfaults when it finds a new encoder it doesn't know anything about |
| [00:53:01] | xris: | lol |
| [00:53:02] | moto125: | hey guys I need some help: I'm trying to install mythweb and the guides that I'm looking at say to modify my .htaccess file. I can't find a .htaccess file anywhere |
| [00:53:03] | xris: | ouch |
| [00:53:21] | Cardoe: | and I had the pcHDTV module compiled already |
| [00:53:21] | xris: | moto125: install mythweb from where? tarball or svn stable checkout? |
| [00:53:28] | moto125: | tar |
| [00:53:32] | Cardoe: | xris: it's a super-duper feature. |
| [00:53:39] | xris: | Cardoe: no kidding |
| [00:53:41] | gu014: | how do i set the correct time in mythtv? my time setting is incorrect? |
| [00:54:03] | xris: | moto125: should be in mythplugins/mythweb/.htaccess |
| [00:54:15] | xris: | which you would then copy into wherever your document root is. |
| [00:54:18] | moto125: | yea, i know... but it isn't |
| [00:54:30] | moto125: | it wasn't in the tarball when i unpacked it |
| [00:55:20] | xris: | moto125: are you sure that your ls command isn't just ignoring dotfiles? |
| [00:55:33] | xris: | anyway, grab this instead: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/browser/trunk/myth . . . .conf.apache |
| [00:55:40] | xris: | and read: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/browser/trunk/myth . . . hweb/INSTALL |
| [00:56:32] | xris: | moto125: I'd also recommend that if you're compiling from source, you grab the fixes branch from svn instead of the tarball. There are a number of bug fixes since the tarball was created. |
| [00:56:45] | xris: | download instructions are here: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ |
| [00:56:53] | moto125: | I downloaded the tar from mythtv.org |
| [00:57:10] | xris: | moto125: yes. and I'm saying that the tarball is out of date. |
| [00:57:56] | xris: | (btw, you shouldn't wget those URLs) |
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| [01:00:03] | xris: | if you compile from an svn checkout, when there are updates, you can just make clean and recompile (installing ccache will speed the recompile process up significantly, too) |
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| [01:24:56] | wireddd: | mythweb doesn't seem to be looking in the correct location for my recordings, is there a path I can change in mythweb somewhere to make it look in the correct spot |
| [01:25:08] | wireddd: | I suppose it could be some kind of a permission problem |
| [01:25:18] | |Torg|: | its a permission problem |
| [01:25:30] | |Torg|: | mythweb gets the info of where the recordings re fomr the database |
| [01:25:39] | |Torg|: | so it would only look where myth is set to record |
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| [01:31:38] | wireddd: | it shouldn't need anything more that read access |
| [01:31:46] | wireddd: | s/that/than/ |
| [01:31:57] | opello: | or execute |
| [01:32:13] | opello: | (on the parent dir) |
| [01:32:25] | wireddd: | the files are all -rw-r--r-- |
| [01:32:57] | opello: | and the parent dir? |
| [01:33:20] | wireddd: | drwxrwxrwx |
| [01:33:47] | wireddd: | which is too permissive |
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| [01:34:05] | opello: | yeah, odd, what's in the error log? |
| [01:35:19] | braniff: | i am installing gentoo to make a fe/be. When choosing kernel options for the install, how do i include support for my pvr150 ?? |
| [01:35:37] | burner: | where are the tv-icons stored? |
| [01:35:50] | burner: | i just noticed the "icon"-field in the channel-table.. :p |
| [01:37:03] | wireddd: | opello, which log? |
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| [01:37:22] | wireddd: | the apache error log? |
| [01:39:04] | wireddd: | I may have to raise the error reporting level to see anything usefull |
| [01:39:09] | opello: | ah |
| [01:39:15] | xris: | burner: they're stored wherever you put them |
| [01:39:31] | xris: | there's a section in the docs for how to generate an icon list, and then mythfilldatabase will grab them for you |
| [01:40:25] | xris: | burner: or, you can grab the current attempt at a master icon list from here: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/browser/trunk/myth . . . ster_iconmap |
| [01:40:34] | xris: | you should only need the .xml file |
| [01:41:39] | burner: | tried with a guide i found on mythtv.org.. but i have no idea what callsigns i should use |
| [01:41:59] | burner: | i'm on cable, in norway :) |
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| [01:47:18] | burner: | xris, but what is stored in the sql-table ? |
| [01:47:34] | burner: | an example.. |
| [01:49:48] | xris: | burner: the mythtv docs should tell you the correct parameters to pass to xmltv |
| [01:50:30] | xris: | and that will build you an iconmap.xml file |
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| [01:51:52] | wireddd: | the only error I can get is "1046_20061129210000.mpg does not exist in the recordings directory." |
| [01:51:54] | robbins876: | Juski: you around? |
| [01:52:08] | xris: | wireddd: does it? |
| [01:52:17] | wireddd: | yes |
| [01:52:24] | xris: | wireddd: what version of mythweb, and how large is the file? |
| [01:53:44] | wireddd: | its 9473 and the file is 2.2gb |
| [01:53:57] | xris: | wireddd: version of mythweb, not svn revision |
| [01:54:08] | xris: | better yet, do you have a mythweb.pl file in the same directory as mythweb.php? |
| [01:54:21] | burner: | xris, yes.. but how do i know what callsigns to use on my channels?? |
| [01:54:49] | xris: | burner: don't your channels already have callsigns? |
| [01:55:06] | xris: | those are generally assigned by the government |
| [01:55:50] | burner: | yeah, but as i mentioned.. i'm in notway |
| [01:55:51] | burner: | norway* |
| [01:55:56] | xris: | burner: so? |
| [01:56:12] | xris: | burner: if you don't have callsigns from xmltv, I don't think there's anything you can do to get channel artwork, since the iconmap file comes from xmltv. |
| [01:56:17] | burner: | can't find any of my callsigns in the callsignstonetwork.txt-file |
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| [01:56:47] | wireddd: | xris my bad, 0.20–0.9 |
| [01:57:36] | wireddd: | I get that error for every recording |
| [01:57:57] | xris: | wireddd: any recordings under 2G? |
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| [01:59:04] | wireddd: | there is one that is 1.1 and it doesn't work either |
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| [02:02:31] | lucky: | hi, i've been digging around a lot, and i can't find anything about changing the format mythtv records to. is it possible to set a lower resolution and so on to lower the impact on my cpu? |
| [02:03:05] | wireddd: | does mythweb actually follow the path in the db or does it follow sym links |
| [02:03:11] | wireddd: | and use the basename |
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| [02:07:25] | wireddd: | it uses the basename and follows symlinks |
| [02:07:36] | wireddd: | and now it works |
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| [02:14:15] | robbins876: | I'm running a VIA epia board out to a tv, when i set the resolution to 720x480Noscale I don't see much of the screen, neither tool bar in gnome... how do i fix that? |
| [02:14:58] | Gazo: | anyone here have mythstream up and working ? |
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| [02:20:12] | thebug: | a fried of mine was curious ... are there any hardware mpeg4 encoders (do they exist) and are there any that would work with mythtv ? |
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| [02:22:10] | janneg: | thebug: http://www.plextor.com/english/products/product_dvc.html |
| [02:22:31] | janneg: | I'm not sure if all models are supported |
| [02:24:15] | thebug: | huh, thanks ! |
| [02:24:33] | thebug: | do you happen to know of any PCI cards that'd do it? |
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| [02:25:07] | janneg: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Plextor_ConvertX |
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| [02:27:42] | janneg: | thebug: http://www.mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/ . . . /144403.html |
| [02:30:27] | thebug: | thank you janneg , I think that's about what he was looking for :) |
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| [02:34:53] | Gazo: | ok .. two hours trying to get mythstream to work ... the I realize that I don't have mplayer installed :P |
| [02:34:57] | Gazo: | I suck ! |
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| [02:40:15] | newpers: | how long before all cable and dish networks are required to broadcast only in HD? |
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| [02:50:45] | opello: | i don't think they can force either, but OTA in 2007? |
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| [02:56:16] | newpers: | oh. thanks :) |
| [02:57:56] | opello: | i think it's 2007 anyway |
| [03:00:12] | kamilcz: | + |
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| [03:03:51] | newpers: | i'm just curious, do any of you all have your setup posted somewhere online? |
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| [03:06:46] | sandeen: | hey all... I have a kworld atsc-110 hdtv tuner card (saa7134_dvb) – I'm not sure if I'm supposed to call it a pcHDTV DTV capture card w/ v4l drivers, or a DVB DTV capture card in mythtvsetup...? |
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| [03:46:36] | newpers: | for those of you who record hdtv, who do you all use for your provider? i'm looking for recommendations |
| [03:49:38] | sandeen: | newpers, hdtv provider? I just got basic 1 cable for $8.99/month, and I got several channels in the clear :) |
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| [03:50:25] | newpers: | heh |
| [03:50:37] | newpers: | yeah, that's what i have right now |
| [03:50:39] | sandeen: | but I'm still fighting with all this :) |
| [03:50:42] | newpers: | 20 channels |
| [03:50:59] | sandeen: | i got about 48, at least I could grab frames from 48... can't seem to tune them all in |
| [03:51:07] | sandeen: | newpers, do you have an hdtv? |
| [03:51:19] | xris: | that's a lot of channels |
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| [03:51:24] | sandeen: | i'm sending it to std-def over svideo, and I think it's clobbering the cpu trying to scale |
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| [03:52:02] | xris: | I can't even count 10 HD channels, and that includes hbo |
| [03:52:40] | sandeen: | it took me forever to scan them :) |
| [03:53:12] | xris: | I'm not scanning. just counting the ones that show up. |
| [03:53:26] | xris: | and are you sure you're not confusing subchannels? (not that it would bring me anywhere near 20) |
| [03:53:38] | sandeen: | i'm new to this, what's a subchannel :) |
| [03:53:55] | newpers: | nope, i have basic cable |
| [03:54:01] | newpers: | sorry for the delay |
| [03:54:14] | sandeen: | newpers, but for a display? |
| [03:54:50] | xris: | sandeen: PBS is one channel, but has 2–3 subchannels in HD mode. |
| [03:54:53] | newpers: | ohh.. i have nothing good now. i am about to move and plan on building something later on |
| [03:55:07] | xris: | for me, that's 9 for PBS (SD), 9.1, 9.2, 9.3, etc. for HD |
| [03:55:18] | sandeen: | xris, well maybe that's it. put it this way, 48 lines in channels.conf that I could pull frames from |
| [03:55:30] | xris: | sandeen: all HD, or does that include SD? |
| [03:55:38] | newpers: | right now i want to build a simple frontend/backend for regular cable, which will be used just as a frontend later on |
| [03:55:41] | xris: | (since depending on your card, you can probably pull both) |
| [03:55:49] | sandeen: | xris, ah, right, many are standard def over digital/dvb |
| [03:56:01] | sandeen: | so not all HD channels, but all DVB |
| [03:56:07] | xris: | sandeen: ahh, gotcha. yeah, that makes sense, esp. if you're not in the US. |
| [03:56:18] | sandeen: | actually I'm smack in the middle of the us :) |
| [03:56:28] | xris: | then you don't have dvb |
| [03:56:46] | sandeen: | er, ok, so wrong terminology... |
| [03:56:59] | sandeen: | dtv ? |
| [03:57:03] | xris: | it's atsc |
| [03:57:09] | sandeen: | mpegs coming out of a device in /dev :) |
| [03:57:23] | xris: | atsc and dvb-t (or dvb-c) do the same thing.. one is europe, the other is the US. |
| [03:57:26] | xris: | sort of like AM vs FM |
| [03:57:35] | sandeen: | so I thought atsc was over the air, qam was over cable..>? |
| [03:57:47] | xris: | that, too |
| [03:57:58] | sandeen: | too many TLAs |
| [03:58:18] | xris: | either way, not dvb. just uses the dvb subsystem in the kernel so they didn't have two drivers doing the exact same thing and taking up twice as much space. |
| [03:58:34] | sandeen: | ok |
| [03:58:37] | sandeen: | gotcha |
| [03:58:40] | xris: | anyway, it's interesting that you get unencrypted SD over QAM. |
| [03:59:11] | sandeen: | yeah, haven't sorted out what channels they are yet, other than obvious ones like home shopping network :) |
| [03:59:36] | xris: | usually pretty easy to tell from the callsign |
| [03:59:50] | sandeen: | most don't seem to have it over ... um... EIT? |
| [03:59:54] | xris: | ahh |
| [03:59:57] | sandeen: | or do you mean the logo on the sreen? |
| [04:00:02] | xris: | no, I meant EIT |
| [04:00:10] | sandeen: | k |
| [04:00:21] | xris: | or frequency ID, too.. assuming QAM has such a thing. |
| [04:00:29] | xris: | I've only dealt with OTA stuff and firewire. |
| [04:00:48] | sandeen: | so it seems like if I get some true HD and try to play it, it's horribly jerky as it tries to rescale it for my SD tv (which I think is currently set to 1024x768) |
| [04:00:56] | sandeen: | any way to config things so it won't have to scale (as much?) |
| [04:01:17] | xris: | you could just autotranscode to smaller files/res |
| [04:01:32] | sandeen: | but that won't work for live tv I think |
| [04:01:37] | xris: | nope |
| [04:01:38] | sandeen: | or if it does, it's just as much cpu |
| [04:01:40] | xris: | not much you can do for that. |
| [04:01:49] | xris: | you need a faster CPU |
| [04:01:53] | xris: | what speed is it now? |
| [04:02:06] | sandeen: | 2gz p4 |
| [04:02:16] | sandeen: | actually |
| [04:02:17] | xris: | so bare minimum... |
| [04:02:19] | sandeen: | model name : Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 2.66GHz |
| [04:02:28] | xris: | oh, odd. that should be enough |
| [04:02:30] | sandeen: | and nvidia 5200, I think I have xvmc hoked up right |
| [04:02:41] | xris: | scaling should be all in the video card, then. |
| [04:02:45] | sandeen: | hmm |
| [04:02:50] | xris: | it's decoding that's probably killing you |
| [04:02:57] | sandeen: | there are like 5 million config options, maybe something is wrong :) |
| [04:03:18] | xris: | could be |
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| [04:03:51] | sandeen: | so, 2.6 ghz isn't enough to decode hdtv...? |
| [04:06:14] | Squeee: | sandeen: Do you have an nvidia card? |
| [04:06:26] | xris: | it should be, but it depends on a million other things.. |
| [04:07:21] | Squeee: | Because if you do you can enable XvMC which puts most of the strain on the video card instead... then you should be able to |
| [04:07:28] | sandeen: | Squeee, I do |
| [04:07:34] | Squeee: | try that |
| [04:07:39] | sandeen: | 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV34 [GeForce FX 5200] (rev a1) |
| [04:07:51] | sandeen: | Squeee, I think I have it on... any way to know for sure? |
| [04:07:52] | Squeee: | Yea, thats what I have, it works pretty well |
| [04:09:04] | ** sandeen wodners how much memory is on it ** | |
| [04:09:23] | Squeee: | you might have to actually rebuild mplayer and mythtvfrontend with XvMC support |
| [04:10:23] | Squeee: | I just found some benchmarks, on a computer where it normally requires 95% of hte cpu to play video, with XvMC it takes it to 45% |
| [04:10:31] | Squeee: | that is with your cpu |
| [04:10:48] | sandeen: | pretty sure I saw cpu usage go down when playing dvds when I enabled it |
| [04:10:50] | sandeen: | so probably working |
| [04:10:59] | Squeee: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/XvMC#Example_CPU_Savings |
| [04:11:14] | sandeen: | hmm 128M |
| [04:11:17] | sandeen: | yeah, I saw that |
| [04:11:29] | sandeen: | but, I get about 65% cpu when playing dvd I think |
| [04:11:54] | sandeen: | any suggestions for a sound card that can do digital passthru? |
| [04:12:07] | Squeee: | hmm, any audigy should do |
| [04:12:15] | sandeen: | I have a usb card that has spdif but not sure I quite trust it; alsa doesn't seemto see the digital out |
| [04:12:22] | sandeen: | though the receiver says it sees dolby digital |
| [04:12:37] | sandeen: | what do you use for the adapter from the digital jack to SDIF? |
| [04:12:53] | Squeee: | I dont use sdif, I just know audigy is good at it |
| [04:13:00] | sandeen: | k |
| [04:13:48] | sandeen: | buy.com + google checkout makes buying myth parts very nice :) |
| [04:14:02] | Squeee: | dude newegg.com for the win |
| [04:14:19] | Squeee: | i basically bought my machine from there, all except the case |
| [04:14:20] | sandeen: | right now you can get $20 off $50 at buy.com and lots of free shipping |
| [04:14:30] | sandeen: | so my hdtv tuner came out to $32 after rebate |
| [04:14:34] | sandeen: | ... if I get the rebate :) |
| [04:14:40] | Squeee: | nice... |
| [04:14:58] | sandeen: | but now I need to go hackity hack to try to get the remote working :) |
| [04:15:00] | Squeee: | I have yet to try mythtv with a hd tuner |
| [04:15:15] | sandeen: | it's my first shot at it but it's what motivated me |
| [04:15:24] | Squeee: | cool |
| [04:15:31] | sandeen: | i'd like HD, but I'm used to TiVo and no way I'lll shell out $900 for a series 3 |
| [04:15:43] | Squeee: | tivo makes me feel dirty... |
| [04:15:51] | sandeen: | yeah, a little :) |
| [04:15:55] | Squeee: | Does anyone in here have a good way to encode recorded tv to Xvid or another good codec? The build in transcoder is weak >_< |
| [04:16:07] | sandeen: | if I had any code in the kernel they used I'd feel better but I think they use 2.2 or something :) |
| [04:16:26] | Squeee: | tivo uses linux? |
| [04:16:29] | sandeen: | yeah |
| [04:16:39] | Squeee: | ... where is the source for that? |
| [04:16:48] | Squeee: | wow i can't believe i didn't know that |
| [04:16:57] | sandeen: | on tivo.com i'm sure, though it's not all open source |
| [04:17:00] | sandeen: | plus they lock down the hardware |
| [04:17:10] | Squeee: | ha |
| [04:17:13] | Squeee: | yea they have the 2.4 running |
| [04:17:29] | sandeen: | ferinstance there is a binary-only usb wireless driver in it |
| [04:17:33] | sandeen: | and lots more I'm sure |
| [04:18:00] | sandeen: | it takes forever to boot, I think because it md5sums everytning on the system partition before it'll start :) |
| [04:18:38] | ** sandeen works with the famous Jarod Wilson, I'll have to ask him some of these questions... ** | |
| [04:20:01] | Squeee: | thats crazy... god forbid someone wants to take an interest in their product and do what they actually want with it... |
| [04:20:38] | sandeen: | i suppose it may be fear of copyright suits for the content |
| [04:21:04] | Squeee: | ahh, well thats what mythtv is for i guess |
| [04:25:37] | Squeee: | Have you tried much with transoding + mythtv? |
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| [04:25:51] | sandeen: | not at all |
| [04:26:01] | sandeen: | it's only been running for about 2 days, and just got hdtv stuff tuned in tonight |
| [04:26:44] | Squeee: | my sd recordings are about 1.9 gb for an hour show. I only have 50 gbs of 250 left and i'm kinda freaking out trying to get this all to xvid and alot smaller |
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| [04:33:43] | sandeen: | storage is cheap :) |
| [04:33:55] | sandeen: | but yeah, I'm realizing that 300GB isn't gonna last too long |
| [04:34:04] | sandeen: | (actually it's 40G in there right now :) ) |
| [04:34:32] | Squeee: | heh |
| [04:34:47] | Squeee: | yea, but i'm a college student... i literaly have about 80 dollars for the rest of this semester |
| [04:34:54] | sandeen: | :) |
| [04:35:04] | sandeen: | I was looking at 300GB seagates for $90 on outpost |
| [04:35:09] | Squeee: | food>storage ^_^ |
| [04:35:23] | Squeee: | i saw some 500 gbs for 100 dollars on black friday |
| [04:35:41] | sandeen: | when I get all this working I want to try to teach mythtv to be smarter about filesystems... |
| [04:35:55] | Squeee: | what do you mean? |
| [04:35:59] | sandeen: | I worked on xfs @sgi for 5 years, I know what the streaming media people need, it'd be nice to teach mythtv a little of that |
| [04:36:06] | Squeee: | oh cool |
| [04:36:14] | Squeee: | i know the ubuntu wiki tells people to use xfs |
| [04:36:17] | sandeen: | mostly making allocation more efficient |
| [04:36:30] | sandeen: | either by preallocating space, or other things |
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| [04:37:02] | Squeee: | faster is better :D |
| [04:37:40] | newpers: | so would it be possible to build a frontend/backend analog & sd system that would be upgradable to a hd frontend system down the line for under $220 :P |
| [04:38:33] | Squeee: | er... if you are really... really...really good at shopping |
| [04:38:39] | Squeee: | maybe |
| [04:38:45] | newpers: | haha |
| [04:40:07] | Squeee: | or you could get creative |
| [04:40:20] | Squeee: | my roomate is making an msntv2 into a frontend |
| [04:42:24] | newpers: | i do have a spare http://www.gumstix.com/waysmalls.html |
| [04:42:26] | newpers: | jk |
| [04:42:31] | Squeee: | heh |
| [04:42:35] | Squeee: | thats a start |
| [04:42:47] | Squeee: | maybe you could find a way to push the mythweb on it |
| [04:46:40] | sandeen: | sorry was afk... |
| [04:47:25] | Squeee: | thats unacceptable... i'm going to have to fine you |
| [04:47:38] | sandeen: | newpers, I got a compaq 64-bit sempron w/ 100G drive & 256M last year for $125 AR :) |
| [04:47:58] | sandeen: | add a $30 vid card and the $32 hdtv card I scored... that's under $220 :) |
| [04:48:04] | Squeee: | hah |
| [04:48:11] | sandeen: | but that box is running sandeen.net at the moment |
| [04:49:01] | sandeen: | the pvr-150 is going to be the most expensive part of my setup so far |
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| [04:50:04] | Squeee: | hah, go for a pvr500, the card is biblical in size but is well worth it |
| [04:50:27] | Squeee: | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16815116628 |
| [04:50:33] | Squeee: | 135$ for a brand new one |
| [04:50:36] | sandeen: | i was looking at systems that took half-height cards but I don't see any HDTV tuners that are half height |
| [04:51:05] | Squeee: | you could go ghetto and use a thumbstick size one |
| [04:51:07] | sandeen: | so what's in a pvr-500 |
| [04:51:37] | Squeee: | 2 pvr 150s |
| [04:51:41] | Squeee: | thats what i got |
| [04:51:52] | sandeen: | Squeee, one of the things I'd like to do w/ teh fs is make it allocate in more contiguous chunks, that would solve that whole slow delete thing |
| [04:51:56] | Squeee: | it takes your cable and splits it, so it really is just 2 tuners |
| [04:52:09] | sandeen: | hmm 2 tuners on that card then? |
| [04:52:09] | sandeen: | ah |
| [04:52:20] | sandeen: | well I think 1 pvr-150 plus my hdtv card willdo the trick for me |
| [04:52:26] | Squeee: | heh alright |
| [04:52:33] | sandeen: | actually mine has a normal NTSC tuner on it too but probably can't use them at the same time |
| [04:52:41] | Squeee: | oh cool |
| [04:53:09] | Squeee: | i'm actually looking to get more tuners for this box... I have roomates that record with it like mad, and 2 isn't enough anymore |
| [04:53:24] | sandeen: | my single-tuner tivo hasn't caused me much problem |
| [04:53:36] | sandeen: | i think my focus on $$ will be storage space and, I guess, performance... |
| [04:54:22] | Squeee: | I'm excited to try mythbackend slaves, that way i can make my roomates all house their own shows and maybe even a few tuners |
| [04:54:46] | sandeen: | :) |
| [04:55:38] | Squeee: | hah, plus me and a roomate have msntv2s running linux. My roomate sodered on it so now it can have a hard drive |
| [04:55:53] | Squeee: | those are fun, you can pick em up for like a buck on ebay |
| [04:56:20] | Squeee: | http://mirror.toc2rta.com/index.php/Main_Page <<check that out |
| [04:56:25] | sandeen: | guess I don't know waht it ... is |
| [04:56:39] | Squeee: | its an old people internet browser |
| [04:56:54] | Squeee: | but makes for an awesome thin client |
| [04:57:07] | sandeen: | cool |
| [04:57:27] | sandeen: | so far i plan to have it all in one box, mostly because no good network to where the tv is :) |
| [04:57:43] | sandeen: | hah, that site is funny... nice cluster |
| [04:58:45] | Squeee: | heh, yea i want to eventualy acquire that many |
| [04:59:09] | sandeen: | whatever floats your boat :) |
| [04:59:22] | newpers: | that cluster makes me laugh |
| [04:59:26] | Squeee: | heh |
| [04:59:40] | Squeee: | it has to make for one hell of a cheap beowulf cluster |
| [05:01:27] | sandeen: | you could use an ipod shuffle raid array for shared storage ;-) |
| [05:01:56] | sandeen: | http://www.weblogsinc.com/common/images/43381 . . . 239228957998 |
| [05:02:03] | sandeen: | http://www.hackaday.com/2005/02/08/shuffle-array/ :) |
| [05:04:32] | Squeee: | haj |
| [05:04:35] | sandeen: | hmm there are half-height hdtv cards.... |
| [05:04:36] | Squeee: | thats crazy |
| [05:04:40] | Squeee: | are there? |
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| [05:05:06] | sandeen: | dvico fusion looks like one |
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| [05:06:04] | sandeen: | it'd fit nice in a dell c521 or so |
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| [05:08:14] | Squeee: | australia/europe? |
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| [05:29:37] | sandeen: | hm? |
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| [06:46:43] | mythbox: | Hey, I'm on a VIA Epia motherboard and i'm having some issues getting the screen to match up properly with my TV. Anyone know what do to? |
| [06:47:27] | mythbox: | anyone even here? |
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| [06:48:55] | robbins87: | anyone? |
| [06:49:46] | crweb: | change resolution or timing |
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| [06:54:52] | mythbox: | I have a VIA Epia running out to a standard definition television. I 'm having trouble getting my resolutions to match up with the TV. |
| [06:55:12] | mythbox: | I have it set at 720x680 right now but I have black lines surrounding the screen. When I edit my xorg to 720x680Noscale ( get a full screen, but much of the screen is clipped off, so i can't see it. |
| [06:55:26] | mythbox: | Anyone have any ideas for a fix for this? |
| [06:57:46] | mythbox: | anyone even around? |
| [07:02:48] | Dagmar: | Yeah, use a resolution that's not insane, or follow the instructions from whatever website told you 720x680 was a good idea _to the letter_ |
| [07:03:47] | robbins876: | i'm pretty sure I did |
| [07:03:50] | robbins876: | I just can't figure it out |
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| [07:05:03] | robbins876: | what resolution would you recommend trying? |
| [07:09:52] | Dagmar: | Something close to the largest _captured_ resolution, or just stick it at 800x600 and let the hardware do the rescaling on the fly. |
| [07:10:14] | Dagmar: | There's also the option of (*gasp*) reading the X documentation. |
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| [07:11:40] | Dagmar: | 720x680 is asking for practically _square_ pixels, kinda piddling away horizontal detail |
| [07:12:04] | Dagmar: | Horizontal detail is important to your *eyes*. |
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| [07:13:14] | robbins876: | I was running 800x600, but it was giving me black bars on my NTSC tv |
| [07:18:01] | Squeee: | Does anyone in here have a good way to encode recorded tv to Xvid or another good codec? The build in transcoder is weak >_< |
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| [07:27:17] | xris: | Squeee: nuvexport |
| [07:27:32] | xris: | Squeee: and the built-in transcoder is divx, works fine. |
| [07:27:47] | xris: | it's not intended to export (which is why it's called mythtranscode, not mythexport) |
| [07:29:07] | Squeee: | xrix: It uses divx?! the files are still huge... hmm |
| [07:29:13] | Squeee: | i dont want them to export, just to stay in place |
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| [07:33:07] | xris: | Squeee: um, size has nothing to do with codec |
| [07:33:36] | xris: | and the built-in transcode can do divx, rtjpeg or merely cut commercials out of mpeg2 without reencoding. |
| [07:33:40] | xris: | you have to configure it, though |
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| [07:33:45] | Squeee: | ok |
| [07:33:53] | Squeee: | i'll play with the mtd some more then |
| [07:33:59] | xris: | I'd recommend learning how to use the cutlist editor, too |
| [07:34:36] | Squeee: | Do you know any good way to make dvd's rip to h264? |
| [07:34:51] | Squeee: | I've been doing it manually with handbrake on a different computer |
| [07:35:53] | xris: | you probably have to compile mythtv iwth x264 support, to start |
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| [07:38:28] | Squeee: | mythtv has to be rebuilt with it? not just ffmpeg or something? |
| [07:40:14] | xris: | mythtv uses its own version of ffmpeg |
| [07:40:16] | xris: | built-in |
| [07:41:35] | Squeee: | damn... alright thanks for the info |
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| [07:48:52] | lotia: | folks, i'm a little confused about adding OTA ATSC channels to myth. after i do the scan in the mythtv-setup and startup mythtv back and frontends, what do i do next? |
| [07:49:18] | lotia: | particularly, what goes into the channel editor? |
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| [07:53:45] | moath: | so i've got mythtv running with one exception...either mythfrontend isn't reading my ~/.mythtv/lircrc file or some lirc bit of mythtv is broken |
| [07:53:52] | moath: | (this is with a PVR-150 grey remote) |
| [07:54:45] | moath: | i can run the IR console command and see the buttons being pressed, but mythtv doesn't seem to pick up on it |
| [07:55:19] | lotia: | moath: when you run the frontend, what output do you get at startup, does it have lirc support? |
| [07:57:11] | moath: | i don't get any errors when i start the frontend |
| [07:57:20] | moath: | will -v all show info about lirc initializing or anything? |
| [07:59:09] | lotia: | moath: you still get text output dont you? |
| [07:59:26] | lotia: | also check permissions on your .mythtv/lircrc file |
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| [08:03:31] | moath: | http://pastebin.com/836736 |
| [08:04:07] | moath: | i can definitley read my lircrc file |
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| [08:05:21] | moath: | lotia: the only thing that kind of concerns me is the "joystick disabled" bit, but i'm not sure if that's lirc related |
| [08:07:50] | moath: | i was hoping there'd be output saying "reading lircrc file" or something when i cranked the verbosity |
| [08:10:04] | lotia: | i'm sorry i don't know much more as far as being able to help |
| [08:11:42] | moath: | thanks for looking! |
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| [08:43:53] | lotia: | moath: you doing HD at all? |
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| [09:29:28] | cwraig: | hi im looking for some help with my dvico tuner card |
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| [10:00:21] | crweb: | all the recording happens on mythbackend right? |
| [10:00:32] | crweb: | if mythfrontend isn't running, recordings still happen? |
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| [10:03:45] | qu0zl: | yep |
| [10:04:06] | crweb: | sweet |
| [10:04:17] | ** crweb just killed x while recording not thinking ** | |
| [10:04:44] | qu0zl: | that's fine, long as you don't hang your machine |
| [10:04:47] | qu0zl: | or reboot it :) |
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| [10:06:58] | stuarta: | morning all |
| [10:11:05] | juski: | morning |
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| [10:11:26] | fred_basset: | it's friday :) |
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| [13:10:08] | fred_basset: | aw, James Murdoch's having a whinge -> http://news.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=150765 |
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| [13:30:29] | Dagmar: | Murdoch needs to get the fuck over it then |
| [13:30:33] | Dagmar: | The BBC is doing a fine job. |
| [13:30:44] | Dagmar: | What you get by following his route is shit like FOX. |
| [13:31:17] | Dagmar: | I swear the BBC does a better job of upholding the mandate the FCC have for community service than the FCC. |
| [13:31:24] | Dagmar: | s/have/has/; |
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| [13:38:51] | fred_basset: | indeed |
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| [14:33:30] | lose_the_grim: | I've got my eye on ac ouple different remote to use with my HTPC but I had assumed they would come with IR Receivers. Apparantly they dont. Where can I pick up an IR Receiver? |
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| [14:38:02] | seth|laptop: | lose_the_grim: usually you can find a good deal on ebay, for a MCE remote, and USB receiver |
| [14:38:15] | seth|laptop: | I would look there |
| [14:38:24] | seth|laptop: | Thats where I got all my stuff |
| [14:38:31] | seth|laptop: | well most of it anyways |
| [14:38:51] | lose_the_grim: | Hmm allrighty... I've seriously consiered just making one. Theres lots of docs for it.. but my soldering skills are not that great. |
| [14:39:40] | seth|laptop: | http://cgi.ebay.com/Media-Center-Remote-Contr . . . cmdZViewItem |
| [14:39:47] | seth|laptop: | buy it now 24.99 |
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| [14:41:27] | lose_the_grim: | ohh nice |
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| [14:55:01] | Paladine: | lose_the_grim, http://www.paladine.org.uk/ir_blaster.jpg |
| [14:55:11] | Paladine: | thats the best diagram I have seen for making one |
| [14:55:35] | Zider: | that's not a receiver |
| [14:55:47] | Paladine: | no thats a blaster |
| [14:56:17] | kenguru: | does anyone use dvb-c and use eit data? |
| [14:56:42] | kenguru: | my eit data is fetched correctly but epg stays empty. |
| [14:57:37] | seth|laptop: | how does one check what version of mythbackend, or mythtv you are running |
| [14:57:39] | seth|laptop: | ? |
| [14:57:43] | fred_basset: | kenguru: how did you populate your channel tables? |
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| [14:58:09] | kenguru: | fred_basset, i don't understand you question, but i imported channels from channels.conf |
| [14:58:20] | fred_basset: | ah, imported channels.conf |
| [14:58:35] | fred_basset: | there is information missing from channels.conf that is required for eit to work |
| [14:58:39] | kenguru: | yeah, because search won't work. |
| [14:58:58] | fred_basset: | have you tried rescanning existing transports? |
| [14:59:05] | kenguru: | but why mythtv says it have fetched eit data for next two weeks forward. |
| [14:59:27] | fred_basset: | there might be 1 program with a date 2 wks ahead. |
| [14:59:40] | kenguru: | where that data is stored so i can look it? |
| [14:59:48] | fred_basset: | go into mysql and do select count(*) from program; |
| [14:59:56] | seth|laptop: | i updated my mythtv to svn fixes last night, and it says it checked out version 12167. How do I check that it worked, and I am in fact running that version |
| [15:00:30] | fred_basset: | seth|laptop: huh? if you checked it out, built it and installed it, that's what you are running |
| [15:00:36] | kenguru: | i have 0.20–5 with patches. |
| [15:01:19] | seth|laptop: | fred_basset: I used a script from a friend, and it looks as though it worked without a hitch, I just wanted to make sure I wasn't imagining things, ;-) |
| [15:01:20] | BULLE: | seth|laptop: i doubt there is some automated post commit hook installed that updates the code for each commit |
| [15:01:51] | BULLE: | seth|laptop: so there is no simple way, to know, just check your friends script, to see what it exactly checks out |
| [15:02:16] | kenguru: | fred_basset, i only see there is two programs data what i have recorded manually |
| [15:02:29] | kenguru: | mythbusters :) |
| [15:02:56] | seth|laptop: | oh I watched it run, checkoout 12167, compile it, stop and restart the backend, then it did mythplugins 12167, compiled it and installed it, but it seemed like it was too easy. I.e no errors. Hard to beleive |
| [15:02:57] | fred_basset: | ie. no guide data. please try rescanning existing transports for me. |
| [15:03:16] | kenguru: | okay. |
| [15:03:18] | BULLE: | while talking about dvb-c, anyone know how to solve problems with mpeg corruption, when using a CI/CAM setup, technotrend dvb-c card |
| [15:03:30] | fred_basset: | it should then pickup the bits of information it needs. |
| [15:03:31] | BULLE: | there is very little corruption, every 30 sec or so, |
| [15:03:47] | BULLE: | only on encrypted channels |
| [15:04:28] | fred_basset: | BULLE: there's a patch in trac regarding changing the timebase used for the CAM |
| [15:04:37] | fred_basset: | wonder if that would help |
| [15:04:57] | BULLE: | fred_basset: thanks, i will search a bit for it, and see if it helps |
| [15:05:14] | fred_basset: | http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/2703 |
| [15:05:47] | kenguru: | fred_basset, "found channel, but it doesn't match existing tsid. you may wish to delete existing channels and do a full scan.. " |
| [15:06:26] | fred_basset: | which is why the eit data isn't working... |
| [15:06:28] | kenguru: | and network net id 0x6f i think problem been earlier my cable company sends network id 0 |
| [15:06:44] | fred_basset: | oh, you've got one of those networks.... |
| [15:07:07] | fred_basset: | !trout cable_co not conforming to standards |
| [15:07:08] | ** MythLogBot slaps cable_co with a not conforming to standards trout on behalf of fred_basset... ** | |
| [15:07:50] | kenguru: | fred_basset, what should i say to cable company. |
| [15:08:01] | kenguru: | because i want to be sure it's their fault, not mine. |
| [15:08:21] | fred_basset: | won't help, they chose to broadcast it that way and their STB will decode it... |
| [15:08:34] | fred_basset: | so you'll only get the finger. |
| [15:08:57] | kenguru: | (cable company fellow is in another irc channel, they offer cable modems and i work in isp) |
| [15:09:08] | Dagmar: | you'll just have to find out who is in charge of programming and schmooze them into doing your budding |
| [15:09:22] | Dagmar: | er bidding |
| [15:09:32] | fred_basset: | Dagmar: it's whoever programmed the head end equipment not programming |
| [15:09:50] | Dagmar: | fred_basset: Yes, and internally those people are called programmers |
| [15:10:03] | Dagmar: | ...and what they do (setting channels on frequencies and so forth) called programming |
| [15:10:13] | ** fred_basset would have called them a broadcast engineer ** | |
| [15:10:14] | Dagmar: | I know the one for my area well |
| [15:10:15] | Dagmar: | :) |
| [15:11:01] | fred_basset: | kenguru: feel free to ask them why they broadcast stuff with a netid of 0 when this is listed as reserved in the spec. |
| [15:11:17] | kenguru: | okay. |
| [15:11:29] | fred_basset: | don't expect anything more than a shrug. |
| [15:11:44] | kenguru: | but if that netid would be 1 then mythtv would found channels with search? |
| [15:12:32] | fred_basset: | a channel is identified by (netid, tsid, program number) |
| [15:12:47] | fred_basset: | clearly a lot of STB's ignore netid |
| [15:12:55] | kenguru: | but why windows dvb-c card software finds epg and channels? |
| [15:13:07] | fred_basset: | different programming. |
| [15:13:10] | janneg: | fred_basset: the scanner refuses to insert multiplexes with network id 0? |
| [15:13:22] | fred_basset: | i have a ticket outstanding to make things work with netid = 0 |
| [15:13:36] | Dagmar: | Told ya. Cats r smart |
| [15:13:38] | fred_basset: | janneg: dunno. |
| [15:13:41] | Dagmar: | wrong channel. Heh |
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| [15:14:50] | janneg: | fred_basset: which? daniel commited one change |
| [15:15:04] | fred_basset: | just looking for it. he may have taken it. |
| [15:15:58] | janneg: | from the reports in #2528 I thought tv_rec.cpp is the only problem |
| [15:17:04] | fred_basset: | janneg: he's on 0.20.... |
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| [15:18:32] | fred_basset: | kenguru: fancy trying svn head? |
| [15:19:11] | kenguru: | fred_basset, whut? :) |
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| [15:19:36] | fred_basset: | didn't you say you were on 0.20 |
| [15:19:54] | janneg: | it's not fixable in 0.20-fixes. it needs db update which we can't do in fixes. |
| [15:20:03] | seth|laptop: | well I guess my svn upgrade worked. Mythweb is back, all my stuff is there. I don't know what to do. It was completey auotmated, and there were no errors. can't wait to get home and try it |
| [15:20:18] | kenguru: | fred_basset, yeah. 0.20–5 with few patches. |
| [15:20:31] | fred_basset: | cause we've fixed it in head |
| [15:20:39] | seth|laptop: | is there a site with the changelogs for svn-fixes? |
| [15:20:49] | fred_basset: | but as janneg said it can't be backported to -fixes |
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| [15:21:31] | elusis: | hi all |
| [15:21:37] | elusis: | anyone lurking?> |
| [15:21:46] | ** fred_basset hides ** | |
| [15:22:01] | elusis: | hiya fred... |
| [15:22:06] | elusis: | i c u |
| [15:22:08] | elusis: | lol |
| [15:22:16] | janneg: | fred_basset: no, any db-update in fixes will mask a different in in head |
| [15:22:48] | fred_basset: | ? |
| [15:22:51] | janneg: | we need verioned a versioned db schema var |
| [15:22:57] | kenguru: | fred_basset, i'm quite quite noob with that svn thing, i downloaded apt-get source last time and make deb packages from it after applying the patches. Should i add one more source? |
| [15:23:24] | fred_basset: | janneg: that just becomes evil, very quickly |
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| [15:27:15] | elusis: | soooo.... this may or not be an easy ?... I'm running the .20 release and under mythweb I can access the TV control of the recordings and the weather but not cannot see the links to access teh other plugins running on the box... is this typical?? |
| [15:27:36] | janneg: | yes but one of the solutions to no db changes in fixes problem. the only other solution I can think of is non-linear db updates which is imho worse |
| [15:28:28] | ** elusis looks for live bodies... ** | |
| [15:29:15] | ** elusis starts talking to the wall... ** | |
| [15:29:50] | fred_basset: | elusis: yes |
| [15:30:05] | elusis: | hiya fred |
| [15:30:26] | seth|laptop: | elusis: I know when I updated to .20 from .19, I had to re-copy some stuff for mythburn, mythstream, and mythweb |
| [15:30:41] | seth|laptop: | in order to get it to work |
| [15:34:55] | elusis: | seth = this is a fresh install of mythtv.20 on ubuntu6.10 |
| [15:35:53] | seth|laptop: | so then there was never a version of myth on it before? |
| [15:35:58] | elusis: | justthe fact that when i look at the screenshots of mythweb i see there are links to TV, music, movies, weather andsettings, mine only displays tv, weather and settings |
| [15:36:21] | elusis: | nope, I totally wiped the drive and did a fresh install |
| [15:36:28] | seth|laptop: | well music I hear will not give you a link until you make a playlist |
| [15:36:37] | crweb: | elusis: the menu's don't appear unless there is stuff in them |
| [15:36:45] | seth|laptop: | but you should still be abnle to access it form the main menu |
| [15:36:49] | elusis: | ok that's what i was looking for, i have no music or movies on it yet |
| [15:37:11] | crweb: | elusis: you apt-get install mythvideo mythmusic ? |
| [15:37:12] | seth|laptop: | well the videos should show up as soon as you scan for them in setup |
| [15:37:21] | elusis: | ok i'll try putting some stuff in the related folders and see if i can get it working thanks |
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| [15:44:41] | elusis: | another issue i'm having is when i try to watch live tv the entire screen turns blue... i can't see anything... when i press Esc it goes back to the menu like it should... I can watch the recorded shows thru VLC but thru the Mythtv interface... I am currently using the onboard video card, is there a driver issue or soemthing? i don't understand why VLC can draw the screen but myth can't, did i misconfigure something? |
| [15:44:57] | trevarthan: | Hello. I have an xbox 360. Is the mythtv upnp server compatible with the 360? |
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| [15:47:19] | |Torg|: | elusis what video card do you have and what driver did you tell it to use? |
| [15:48:40] | GreyFoxx: | trevarthan: I haven't heard from anyone with a 360 to test it |
| [15:48:46] | elusis: | it's the onboard trident on my K7VEM-Pro, 8Mb shared with system ram |
| [15:48:59] | GreyFoxx: | You might require a fairly recent version of 0.20-fixes for it though |
| [15:49:06] | elusis: | it's using a driver that ubuntu picked out |
| [15:50:10] | |Torg|: | elusis what kind of video is this your playing? |
| [15:50:14] | trevarthan: | GreyFoxx: is there anything special you have to do to enable upnp in mythtv? |
| [15:51:25] | elusis: | the recorded show that mythtv recorded for me under the schedule, or it also happens when i try to play live video |
| [15:51:50] | |Torg|: | yes elusis what kind of video is this and where did you record it from? |
| [15:51:58] | elusis: | but like i said before, i can watch teh recorded shows wth VLC with no issues |
| [15:52:21] | elusis: | i just cann't play them back inside mythtv |
| [15:53:31] | GreyFoxx: | trevarthan: Nope, in 0.20 it's on by default |
| [15:53:31] | |Torg|: | thew porblme you are decribing is askin to asking me why you cant open your front door, when you can open the back door. There is no common refernce between the two and there can be multiple reasons |
| [15:54:07] | |Torg|: | if you can play video with vlc that proves that at some point the driver you selected for the video works, altho I sort of doubt with your video card and lack of memnery "without issue" |
| [15:54:25] | |Torg|: | but you havnt said what driver you use for vlc or how you do so |
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| [15:54:48] | |Torg|: | likewise you havnt said what driver you use for X or what lib you use in myth to play video |
| [15:55:06] | |Torg|: | this could be wrong card driver, this could be wrong X setup, this could be wrong myth setup |
| [15:55:22] | |Torg|: | quite frankyly, without additional informaiton from yuou it could be allot of things |
| [15:55:39] | elusis: | that's what i'm asking... the points i'm making are a) Mythtv will record shows i schedule. b) I cannot watch live tv under the mythfrontend c) I can watch the recorded show using VLC |
| [15:55:40] | trevarthan: | GreyFoxx: damn. I tried to discover a windows media server, but it didn't detect anything. I guess that means the 360's upnp is incompatible. |
| [15:56:26] | elusis: | so is there a setting in mythtv that i need to change to get the video drawn on the screen in the mythfrontend |
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| [15:57:13] | GreyFoxx: | But there were bugs that might have prevented your box from seeing the files and such, but nothing that should prevent it from seeing the existance of the server itself |
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| [15:57:29] | elusis: | ok TORG,so where do i find that info? |
| [15:57:41] | GreyFoxx: | If I had my hands on a 360 for a day I could ensure it worked, but I don't have access to one |
| [15:58:35] | GreyFoxx: | trevarthan: so just to be clear, is it not seeing the server at all or just doesn't show any files available ? |
| [15:58:44] | kslater: | GreyFoxx: what are some Windows or Linux clients that will work for the myth upnp setup? |
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| [15:59:18] | GreyFoxx: | kslater : I've used several hardware based media players (Dlink dsm's and such), as well as djmount under linux |
| [15:59:34] | GreyFoxx: | I don't have any windows clients install, just the windows media server |
| [15:59:37] | elusis: | I believe my card driver and x setup are correct |
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| [16:00:17] | GreyFoxx: | kslater: I haven';t heard any good or bad stuff from xbox (or until now 360) users |
| [16:00:47] | GreyFoxx: | I can likely get my hands on an xbox for the weekend to test assuming it already has a recent xbmc on it |
| [16:00:55] | GreyFoxx: | but no easy access to a 360 |
| [16:00:58] | |Torg|: | GreyFoxx I have a 360 and a dlink-320 I also have several upmpd software servers, what did you want tested? |
| [16:01:31] | GreyFoxx: | |Torg|: With very recent svn or 0.20-fixes to verify that you can see the server and the offered files |
| [16:01:48] | GreyFoxx: | I have used a dlink 320 with it without any troubles |
| [16:01:51] | |Torg|: | ok, I know it acts as a upnp client |
| [16:02:07] | |Torg|: | I cant play the HD contenct from my BE on my dlkink so I usually dont try |
| [16:02:11] | |Torg|: | but ill go check |
| [16:02:16] | BULLE: | GreyFoxx: exactly what is exported via upnp in 0.20 ? the recordings, in whatever format it they were recorded in originaly, and nothing else ? |
| [16:02:37] | ** BULLE noticed the 0.20 upnp in azureus upnp logs ** | |
| [16:02:37] | |Torg|: | btw the 360 cant upnp vieo, so if thats an issue its an intentional design limit on M$'s part |
| [16:02:39] | GreyFoxx: | BULLE: Music that has been imported into the database, and Recordings |
| [16:02:46] | BULLE: | GreyFoxx: nice |
| [16:02:48] | GreyFoxx: | svn also makes available Videos |
| [16:03:13] | GreyFoxx: | I've been using upnp to stream my mythvideo stuff with all my frontends for weeks now for testing |
| [16:03:26] | BULLE: | |Torg|: but the 360 can be used with a pc running mce, so i guess its as you say, an intentinal design limitation on MS part |
| [16:03:47] | GreyFoxx: | |Torg|: If I get my hands on one I might be able to fix that |
| [16:04:25] | BULLE: | havent ms promised some sort of dev kit for 360s, for free, or cheap, for personal use ? perhaps that could be used to get a frontend running on a 360 |
| [16:04:34] | BULLE: | but it seems like a ps3 will be way easier to use as a frontend |
| [16:05:09] | lotia: | does udev take over even if hotplug is instaled? |
| [16:05:35] | BULLE: | lotia: well, that is distro dependent, but it seems most distros have deprecated the old hotplug stuff, and now solely rely on udev |
| [16:05:58] | lotia: | BULLE: sorry wrong irc channel. thanks for the response though |
| [16:05:59] | |Torg|: | ok GreyFoxx no it does not work on the 360, it works on the dlink and on XBMC |
| [16:06:15] | |Torg|: | the 360 has software to only connect to its own microsfot systems tho |
| [16:06:36] | |Torg|: | it would not suprise me one bit if M$ decided to "enhance" the standard UPNP and break it |
| [16:06:47] | BULLE: | lotia: oh well, its common enough that people have problems with hotplug, udev, and ivtv, so it does pop up here now and then |
| [16:07:24] | GreyFoxx: | |Torg|: Ok, thanks. I'll have to see if I can get my hands on a 360 |
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| [16:07:47] | GreyFoxx: | I have the windows upnp server on my work laptop so I can use that to see what we do differently |
| [16:07:58] | lotia: | BULLE: as a matter of fact i probably will. something on my gentoo box cause hotplug to be installed and i also have a recent udev. now my dvb modules are loading before ivtv and a lotof the docs out there say that ivtv should load first. worked fine with udev |
| [16:08:20] | |Torg|: | GreyFoxx I suspect ther eis nothing wrong with teh code and everything wrong with the 360 |
| [16:08:31] | BULLE: | lotia: last time i used gentoo and ivtv and mythv, gentoo had broken hotplug, and i had to alter some of the hotplug scripts, this was like 6 months ago though |
| [16:08:32] | |Torg|: | it works fine all all my other upnp aware systems, just not the 360 |
| [16:09:02] | lotia: | BULLE: worked beautifully last night. but i hadn't rebooted after hotplug was installed. |
| [16:09:16] | BULLE: | lotia: do you even need hotplug ? |
| [16:09:31] | GreyFoxx: | |Torg|: heh |
| [16:09:39] | BULLE: | lotia: from what i understood, custom udev rules should replace hotplug |
| [16:09:40] | lotia: | BULLE: no, but some install scripts think its needed and so they install it |
| [16:09:42] | GreyFoxx: | Does it not see the server at all? Or just not the files ? |
| [16:10:05] | |Torg|: | the server |
| [16:10:07] | GreyFoxx: | k |
| [16:10:13] | GreyFoxx: | odd |
| [16:10:20] | |Torg|: | in th 360 you go to play media and if its not connected it does a search |
| [16:10:36] | |Torg|: | duing that search it finds my dekstop (with the media server) but not the myth BE |
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| [16:11:35] | GreyFoxx: | I would be interested in a tcpdump of the traffic to/from the 360 when it's doing that |
| [16:11:40] | |Torg|: | btw since the 360 cant play video there really is no benefit (well to me) to fix it |
| [16:12:06] | |Torg|: | im using a driect switched gig network |
| [16:12:17] | |Torg|: | my switches dont have monitor capability |
| [16:12:23] | GreyFoxx: | tcpdump for windows |
| [16:12:24] | GreyFoxx: | hehe |
| [16:12:38] | GreyFoxx: | same file format as the unix versions so a dump from one can be read on any |
| [16:12:38] | |Torg|: | oh leme go find it and see :) |
| [16:12:56] | |Torg|: | I was gona kill the server on my windows box to see if it was somehow competing |
| [16:13:26] | GreyFoxx: | My laptop and my mythbackend work happily together here |
| [16:13:29] | fred_basset: | or run tcpdump on the backend |
| [16:13:51] | |Torg|: | well like I said the dlink and xbox work fine, just not the 360 |
| [16:13:57] | GreyFoxx: | fred_basset: Sure, but that will just show me the failed connection, I really want to see what his windows box is doing that we arent |
| [16:14:03] | GreyFoxx: | so in the end, a dump from both |
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| [16:14:13] | fred_basset: | indeed |
| [16:15:04] | dev: | myth can stream to 360? |
| [16:15:17] | |Torg|: | audio in theory yes |
| [16:15:19] | |Torg|: | video no |
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| [16:15:40] | dev: | bleh |
| [16:15:44] | dev: | ;p |
| [16:15:55] | |Torg|: | of course I know plenty of other things that can stream auio so im wondering why the 360 is so important |
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| [16:17:39] | dev: | video would be cool hehe |
| [16:18:02] | qu0zl: | GreyFoxx, did you write the upnp server stuff? |
| [16:18:04] | dev: | better chance getting the wii to do that tho, through apache or something |
| [16:18:28] | BULLE: | dev: or a ps3 |
| [16:18:40] | dev: | sony can lick my ass |
| [16:18:42] | qu0zl: | do you know if there are any imminent plans for a upnp client mode supprot in mythfrontend, or is that way down the list of priorities? |
| [16:18:52] | |Torg|: | ok so I cnt kil the windows media connect, wonderfull |
| [16:18:56] | dev: | since they got lik-sang shutdown i hate them :) |
| [16:19:07] | |Torg|: | GreyFoxx what is it you want me to setup tcpdump on the windwos box? |
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| [16:20:36] | BULLE: | dev: ye, im no big fan of sony, but if you want to hurt them, buy a ps3, they sell those with a loss, and run linux on it |
| [16:20:42] | BULLE: | dev: then you make them bleed |
| [16:21:05] | fred_basset: | that won't hurt them, it pays em money |
| [16:21:22] | dev: | and it gives them another tick in the ps3 sold category |
| [16:21:27] | dev: | dont by one, and they lose more money |
| [16:21:37] | dev: | buy |
| [16:21:46] | lotia: | folks does stuff in modules.autoload get inserted before the udev hotplug? |
| [16:22:22] | |Torg|: | ok GreyFoxx I got windimp (I think tcpdump for windows) the damn thing attempts to cnnect to my dialup adapter (which I dont use). Wana give some pointers here so I can provide you with data :) |
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| [16:23:06] | Juski: | oh yeah. my backend has crashed again. 2nd time this week. system halted, garbage onscreen. dammit |
| [16:23:09] | |Torg|: | I agree dev I own an xbox and a xbox360 specifically because I hate M$ less then Sony |
| [16:23:27] | fred_basset: | Juski: this the stable or the svn? |
| [16:23:37] | Juski: | stable |
| [16:23:39] | dev: | ive ordered so much crap from lik-sang in the past... when i heard sony sued them into shutting down i was real freaking pissed |
| [16:23:41] | fred_basset: | eek |
| [16:24:04] | Juski: | hdd LED was stuck on |
| [16:24:05] | dev: | i have an xbox360 and wii, i could easily buy a ps3 but sony burned that bridge with me. will never, ever, buy a sony product unless they come to my house and blow me or something |
| [16:24:07] | mkrufky: | it happens to me too — i had to disable EIT program data updates to avoid the backend crash |
| [16:24:22] | mkrufky: | brb |
| [16:24:36] | Juski: | this is an actual _hang_ not a crash |
| [16:24:42] | |Torg|: | mkrufky I run the lastest svn on my BE and run EIT just fine |
| [16:24:44] | fred_basset: | sure it wasn't the kernel? |
| [16:24:45] | dev: | im usually an anti-ms guy.. but they did it right with the xb360 |
| [16:24:46] | lotia: | folks any guides on add OTA channels from hd tuners to myth. the channel editor details are a little sparse on the wiki |
| [16:25:01] | Juski: | fred_basset: not sure of anything – except I'm sure it wasn't mythtv's fault :) |
| [16:25:04] | lotia: | do i need to add the detected channels to my zap2it lineup or is that not needed? |
| [16:25:22] | Juski: | maybe the hdd is going |
| [16:25:40] | |Torg|: | lotia add your xmltv source, then do a mythfilldatabase --do-chanel-updates, then go into the setup and scan in what your OTA can see. Then merge the two datasources |
| [16:25:49] | Juski: | think I'll back it up tomorrow. can't do it tonight.. too many recordings scheduled |
| [16:26:09] | |Torg|: | the issue with zap2it is it calls the channels differnt names then the channels call themselves |
| [16:26:21] | |Torg|: | so what you scan can not be corelatd to what zap2it calls them |
| [16:26:55] | lotia: | |Torg|: but isn't that why the xmltv id is what matters? |
| [16:27:11] | lotia: | |Torg|: and how does one merge the two datasources? |
| [16:27:20] | BULLE: | dev: i will never support ms, by buying a 360, but i consider buying a wii, to play zelda and metroid |
| [16:27:30] | Juski: | hahaha a personal email asking for help with mythtv was correctly identified as SPAM |
| [16:27:43] | fred_basset: | hehe! |
| [16:27:50] | fred_basset is now known as stuarta | |
| [16:28:01] | ** stuarta welcomes reality back ** | |
| [16:28:28] | Juski: | can't remember what the guy's name is.. steve something. too late – deleted already |
| [16:28:48] | Juski: | oh damn he might've been offerring to pay for help since it was a personal email |
| [16:29:00] | Juski: | ah well – never mind |
| [16:29:04] | |Torg|: | Juski I want your blootube to be greeentube, fix it :P |
| [16:29:15] | dev: | wii is cool, but xb360 is a better overall console. and almost enterely because of xbox live and the multiplayer functionality in their games |
| [16:29:18] | Juski: | |Torg|: bring out the GIMP :) |
| [16:29:38] | ** stuarta thinks about wandering to the chillout area to test them both out. ** | |
| [16:29:43] | |Torg|: | Juski I was catlyy really thinkgin of doing that but o grey not blue |
| [16:29:48] | BULLE: | dev: there is only one single game i want to play on the 360, and that is gears of war, and as it doesnt work as a video player, for mythv, i see no use for it =) |
| [16:29:50] | fryfrog: | anyone play around with nagios? |
| [16:30:01] | ** stuarta memememe! ** | |
| [16:30:07] | Juski: | |Torg|: just take the backgrounds & remove the saturation then |
| [16:30:10] | ** stuarta me me me. ** | |
| [16:30:15] | Juski: | me – I'm fucking sick of grey |
| [16:30:18] | dev: | BULLE: gears' multiplayer functionality is better than single player hehe |
| [16:30:22] | stuarta: | fryfrog: what you wanna know? |
| [16:30:26] | fryfrog: | stuarta: i am just playing around with it on my home network |
| [16:30:27] | |Torg|: | yea Juski I was just waiting for you to finish before I went and plagerized it |
| [16:30:33] | BULLE: | stuarta: does nagios contain rrdtool graphing modules ? |
| [16:30:33] | fryfrog: | do you use yours to monitor myth in any way? |
| [16:30:39] | Juski: | |Torg|: it's all done bar the shouting |
| [16:30:53] | stuarta: | BULLE: there's an add on, but so far I use cacti for graphs. |
| [16:30:55] | |Torg|: | 1.3 is "final" ? |
| [16:31:05] | Juski: | but I forgot to mention it's released under the JPL |
| [16:31:20] | Juski: | JPL == you can download it but I ignore complaints about how it looks |
| [16:31:21] | BULLE: | stuarta: i was looking at cacti, but i thought it would be a bit annoying to run both cacti and nagios |
| [16:31:24] | fryfrog: | Jet Propulsion Labratories? |
| [16:31:33] | |Torg|: | haha Im not gona realease the updates its just for me |
| [16:31:37] | mkrufky: | |Torg|: im using whatever they have in atrpms ... im too chicken to run svn version on my production box |
| [16:31:39] | Juski: | Juski's Pestilence Limitation |
| [16:31:46] | |Torg|: | I like greytones over bright one call me dark I just like it |
| [16:32:08] | Juski: | I thought mono was a bad thing to have anyway :-P |
| [16:32:26] | stuarta: | fryfrog: I use a bit of homegrown rrdtool to monitor my backend memory consumption. |
| [16:32:39] | fryfrog: | ah |
| [16:32:55] | fryfrog: | i *just* started playing around with it, so i've only got very basic stuff going |
| [16:32:55] | stuarta: | pretty simple really... |
| [16:33:11] | fryfrog: | was hoping to find a good tutorial on setting up some service monitors |
| [16:33:15] | fryfrog: | for like apache, mysql, etc |
| [16:33:17] | fryfrog: | nfs |
| [16:33:30] | Juski: | wonder if the logs will be illuminating.. lemme see here |
| [16:34:06] | stuarta: | fryfrog: nagios has plugins already written to monitor most of that.... |
| [16:34:18] | fryfrog: | yeah, i think i see them in the libexec dir |
| [16:34:25] | stuarta: | yup that's them |
| [16:34:27] | fryfrog: | just... need to setup a service definition, i guess |
| [16:35:06] | stuarta: | command check definition first |
| [16:35:15] | fryfrog: | ah |
| [16:35:25] | stuarta: | look at fruity |
| [16:35:35] | stuarta: | nice web interface for configuring it. |
| [16:35:40] | fryfrog: | okay |
| [16:35:51] | stuarta: | it's on sourceforge |
| [16:35:56] | fryfrog: | found it :) |
| [16:36:46] | Juski: | 11:56:57 localhost kernel: [4661118.876000] cx88[0]/2: [d3f97da0/0] cx8802_buf_queue – first active and then at the same time, irssi closed the connection to the channel. nifty |
| [16:36:57] | seth|laptop: | when you upgrade to a new version of mythtv, do you need to re-run mythtv-setup, or can you just run mythfilldatabse? |
| [16:37:10] | Juski: | so in a way it's connected to EIT. bugger |
| [16:37:35] | stuarta: | seth|laptop: no, startup the backend and it'll do any upgrades needed |
| [16:37:44] | stuarta: | Juski: how rude. |
| [16:38:00] | Juski: | oh wait.. 11:56 in the channel log wouldn't have been the same time |
| [16:38:50] | Juski: | last thing in my log was still 15:45:32 localhost kernel: [4674836.037000] cx88[0]/2: [d3f97da0/0] cx8802_buf_queue – first active, before the reboot I mean |
| [16:39:04] | Juski: | hrm |
| [16:39:04] | stuarta: | iirc i get them all the time... |
| [16:39:17] | Juski: | maybe my hdd power connector is still loose |
| [16:39:34] | Juski: | time for a new PSU |
| [16:39:49] | Juski: | this time a brand new one, not a hand-me-down from a guy ay work |
| [16:39:50] | stuarta: | checked. i get those cx88 errors often. it's no drama. |
| [16:40:08] | stuarta: | do some smart tests on your drive? |
| [16:40:18] | Juski: | I daren't – not before doing a backup |
| [16:40:22] | |Torg|: | run smartd |
| [16:40:34] | Juski: | last time I did I lost the drive just after it failed a selftest |
| [16:40:35] | stuarta: | you can query it to find out what it knows |
| [16:40:39] | Juski: | already done |
| [16:40:46] | Juski: | it's 'ok' according to smartctl |
| [16:40:49] | seth|laptop: | well I upgraded to svn this morning, and I scheduled a test recording from my pvr card, and only a "B" shows up in the recorded shows portion of mythweb, however using the dvb card, the recording shows up right away, and then starts commflagging |
| [16:40:50] | |Torg|: | wait it failed a self test? |
| [16:40:54] | Juski: | no |
| [16:41:08] | |Torg|: | seth B? |
| [16:41:23] | Juski: | I mean last time a drive failed a smart test it died before I got anything off it, and it was worky before the test ;) |
| [16:41:32] | stuarta: | seth|laptop: sounds like an empty recording |
| [16:41:49] | seth|laptop: | Yes instead of blahMB's it shows a "B" |
| [16:41:55] | Juski: | I'm NOT gonna go thru the rigmarole of getting these tuners happily cohabiting in ubuntu again |
| [16:41:59] | |Torg|: | ahh its a did not tune issue |
| [16:42:16] | stuarta: | yup |
| [16:42:22] | |Torg|: | I got that a few times, make sure nothing else is using that |
| [16:42:34] | |Torg|: | you can use live tv to see if the tuners really can, well tune |
| [16:42:50] | |Torg|: | a few times I had to wipe out my dvb cards defs, and redo them |
| [16:42:50] | seth|laptop: | so perhaps my channel_change script didn't complete. I wonder if the stinking dish is on a "press select to continue screen" |
| [16:43:14] | |Torg|: | no B menas it got noting, not even 30 mins of press slect to continue |
| [16:44:09] | |Torg|: | GreyFoxx what was it you wanted me to dump? I dont know how to use windump it dosnt have an eth0 or eri0 :P |
| [16:45:37] | Juski: | god I wish these stupid HDD power connectors had been deprecated ages ago |
| [16:45:51] | Juski: | I might even treat the box to a brand new hdd & go sata |
| [16:46:15] | |Torg|: | umm Juski they wer, back with UW Scsi disks |
| [16:46:29] | Juski: | back it up, adjust fstab, robert's ya dad's bro |
| [16:46:50] | |Torg|: | that power connecter has been depricated for abotu 10 years, it need to me replaced, not epricated |
| [16:47:07] | Juski: | |Torg|: PATA HDDs have had these stupid flimsy connectors |
| [16:47:28] | Juski: | it'd be fine if all the PSU makers used AMP or Molex crimps instead of the cheap Taiwan shite |
| [16:47:56] | |Torg|: | Id like them to standardise on something more the lins of scsi or sata |
| [16:48:00] | Juski: | seen issues at work where the diameter of the crimp socket was like 0.01mm too slack causing problems |
| [16:48:27] | Juski: | the kind of current they can carry is totally unneccessary for today's HDDs |
| [16:48:40] | |Torg|: | rember Juski, im a SAN enginner. Internal disks to me are for booting, thats all. |
| [16:48:53] | Juski: | a standard 3.5" HDD would be fine with the kind of connectors used on floppy drives |
| [16:49:02] | |Torg|: | I just wish disks didnt make so much damn heat |
| [16:49:08] | seth|laptop: | is there a way to view the top command output from webmin? |
| [16:49:26] | |Torg|: | dunno what webmin is, or id tell you :) |
| [16:49:33] | seth|laptop: | :-) |
| [16:49:45] | Dibblah_: | 8w over the 3.5" form factor ain't bad. |
| [16:49:56] | ** stuarta suggests using ssh not webmin ** | |
| [16:49:56] | |Torg|: | you have an adversion to ssh or something seth? |
| [16:49:58] | Dibblah_ is now known as Dibblah | |
| [16:50:09] | seth|laptop: | no, the firewall guy does |
| [16:50:16] | Juski: | blah |
| [16:50:17] | stuarta: | bah! |
| [16:50:21] | Juski: | just find an open port |
| [16:50:22] | stuarta: | alternate ports! |
| [16:50:26] | Juski: | I found 2 at work :) |
| [16:50:32] | |Torg|: | run ssh over an html proxy, it works fine |
| [16:50:37] | seth|laptop: | oh I can get out just fine, he just sends out hate mail when I do' |
| [16:50:57] | ** stuarta raises the middle finger ** | |
| [16:50:59] | Juski: | infact I'm thinking of putting a music streaming server on one of the ports |
| [16:51:10] | Juski: | so I can listen to my tunes at work :) |
| [16:51:14] | |Torg|: | tell the firewall admin to learn secrituty in the modern age :P |
| [16:51:20] | Juski: | be nice to integrate that with mythweb somehow too |
| [16:51:32] | stuarta: | didn't someone do that... |
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| [16:51:40] | |Torg|: | ssh is encrypted how does he know what you are doing? |
| [16:51:45] | stuarta: | might have been beirdo... |
| [16:51:46] | Juski: | I dunno. it's not in the standard mythweb |
| [16:51:57] | stuarta: | !seen Beirdo |
| [16:51:58] | MythLogBot: | Beirdo is here and has been idle for 5 days 7 hours 5 minutes 22 seconds |
| [16:52:04] | |Torg|: | for that matter ssh over port 80 to your box at home and tunnel everything from there |
| [16:52:05] | Beirdo: | muh? |
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| [16:52:27] | Juski: | streaming musak with mythweb, Beirdo.. did you ever do that? |
| [16:52:32] | Dibblah: | !seen outside |
| [16:52:32] | MythLogBot: | outside has not been seen here |
| [16:52:41] | stuarta: | !seen sun |
| [16:52:41] | MythLogBot: | sun was last seen 411 days 1 hour 46 minutes 41 seconds ago |
| [16:52:47] | Dibblah: | Heh :) |
| [16:52:51] | Beirdo: | nope, haven't dont that |
| [16:52:52] | ** Juski chuckles ** | |
| [16:53:05] | Juski: | if I do pull it orf I'll keep super quiet about it |
| [16:53:07] | Beirdo: | wow, nobody tried the !seen pussy? |
| [16:53:21] | BULLE: | !seen pussy |
| [16:53:21] | MythLogBot: | pussy has not been seen here |
| [16:53:26] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [16:53:31] | |Torg|: | happy? |
| [16:53:32] | Beirdo: | sorry, had to be done |
| [16:53:35] | ** stuarta roflmao ** | |
| [16:53:35] | Juski: | doesn't count if it's online, chaps |
| [16:53:53] | Beirdo: | so I'm reading up on dealing with puppies... |
| [16:54:07] | dev: | with a belt |
| [16:54:07] | stuarta: | new day job? |
| [16:54:11] | Beirdo: | nah |
| [16:54:15] | Juski: | mm puppies. what's for tea tonight? |
| [16:54:15] | Dibblah: | Mmmm... Puppies. |
| [16:54:27] | stuarta is now known as fred_basset | |
| [16:54:29] | Beirdo: | one of my wife's coworkers had a Black Lab female that had a litter of puppies |
| [16:54:29] | dev: | good fix'ns |
| [16:54:36] | Beirdo: | and then got hit by a car |
| [16:54:38] | Beirdo: | :( |
| [16:54:41] | fred_basset: | :( |
| [16:54:50] | Juski: | :( |
| [16:54:54] | dev: | =] |
| [16:54:57] | ** fred_basset is now sad ** | |
| [16:55:03] | Beirdo: | so we are getting a free Black Lab/whatever mix puppy, who apparently has her shots |
| [16:55:07] | Beirdo: | today |
| [16:55:07] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [16:55:10] | |Torg|: | the coworker or the lab? |
| [16:55:16] | Beirdo: | the Lab |
| [16:55:20] | fred_basset is now known as stuarta | |
| [16:55:26] | BULLE: | Labs are nice doggies |
| [16:55:41] | Beirdo: | I wanted a Golden Retriever, but hell, a free Lab will do |
| [16:55:42] | |Torg|: | labs are great as long as their not purebread |
| [16:55:42] | stuarta: | now if you can just train it to do the housework.... |
| [16:55:43] | BULLE: | black/brown or white/yellowish ? |
| [16:55:50] | Beirdo: | Black |
| [16:56:04] | Juski: | SMART overall-health self-assessment test result: PASSED – blimmin liar |
| [16:56:11] | Beirdo: | I'd rather have chocolate brown, but heck, we get what we are given :) |
| [16:56:15] | BULLE: | ye |
| [16:56:18] | ** stuarta offers Juski a hammer ** | |
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| [16:56:23] | Dibblah: | Juski: Tried the long test? |
| [16:56:35] | |Torg|: | id rather have a dog that I can train and is a good pet, I could care less about its apearance |
| [16:56:38] | Juski: | Dibblah: no way until I've got a good backup |
| [16:56:46] | Dibblah: | smartctl --test=long /dev/hda |
| [16:56:58] | Dibblah: | Backup? Backups are for... Oh. Me. |
| [16:56:59] | seth|laptop: | its not the ssh connection the firewall guy sees, its the connection to an outward, non pacourts ip address. |
| [16:57:03] | |Torg|: | if wed quit raising pets according to how they look the dogs and people would be allot better off |
| [16:57:14] | |Torg|: | its purebreding of dogs that screw them up |
| [16:57:24] | Beirdo: | we don't know what the father of the puppies was. |
| [16:57:25] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [16:57:33] | Juski: | I'm more in favour of breeding humans pure tbh |
| [16:57:38] | Beirdo: | presumably a dog, but past that, no clue |
| [16:57:42] | Dibblah: | Bah. Purebreeds are OK. |
| [16:57:47] | |Torg|: | seth does he track web traffic too, port 80 to an unknown ip? |
| [16:57:50] | Beirdo: | depends on the breeder |
| [16:57:51] | Dibblah: | Stupid crossbreeds are not. |
| [16:57:51] | Juski: | but since that's fairly controversial I'll STFU ;) |
| [16:58:04] | Dibblah: | Who the ... thought up a labradoodle? |
| [16:58:08] | seth|laptop: | damn, my dish card is still recording "B"'s, the HD cards work great, it must be off or something |
| [16:58:11] | |Torg|: | eugenics sucsk if you do it to any species |
| [16:58:18] | Beirdo: | Oh GOD. I saw pictures of a sheltiedoodle yesterday |
| [16:58:27] | Beirdo: | that's the most unfortunate looking dog ever |
| [16:58:31] | |Torg|: | seth make sure your channels defs for it are still good too |
| [16:58:32] | BULLE: | Juski: trying to "breed" "pure" humans is basicly useless, due to the huge generation time |
| [16:58:59] | Beirdo: | Lab/Spaniel mixes look cute though :) |
| [16:59:07] | Juski: | ok then – just the short option of castratiing chavs instead |
| [16:59:18] | BULLE: | Juski: chavs ? |
| [16:59:24] | Juski: | |
| [16:59:34] | |Torg|: | our whole idea of purebread dogs came about with our eugenics rhetric of the late 1800's and early 1900's |
| [16:59:44] | Juski: | btw I heard some news about the guy who was going down my street kicking car mirrors off, yesterday |
| [16:59:45] | |Torg|: | its the same idea that got Natzi Germany started |
| [16:59:49] | Juski: | he's dead |
| [16:59:55] | |Torg|: | you *SURE* you want to promote purebreading? |
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| [17:00:21] | Beirdo: | heh. When my dog makes other dogs goosestep and salute it, I'll then be worried |
| [17:00:27] | Dibblah: | Juski: No more security cameras, then? |
| [17:00:28] | |Torg|: | prebreading is what casues problems like hip dysplasia in labs |
| [17:00:43] | Juski: | Dibblah: too much effort to take em down now |
| [17:00:50] | Dibblah: | :) |
| [17:01:12] | Dibblah: | Besides, you can Myth integrate them soon :) |
| [17:01:19] | BULLE: | Juski: how did he die ? |
| [17:01:33] | Juski: | apparently this dude went on a rampage on another street & some guy caught him in the act. a chase ensued & the bloke had a heart attack. he was 23 |
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| [17:01:53] | BULLE: | Juski: sounds like heavy drug use to me |
| [17:01:57] | Beirdo: | heh. kinda poetic justice |
| [17:01:57] | Juski: | aye |
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| [17:02:16] | Juski: | sounds harsh but it's had to recite the story without smiling a little |
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| [17:02:23] | Dibblah: | Ouch. Ouch ouch ouch. http://www.dogbreedinfo.com/shepadoodle.htm |
| [17:02:24] | Juski: | s/had/hard |
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| [17:02:46] | Ediehow: | mytharchive is not accessible through mythweb? |
| [17:02:54] | Juski: | nope |
| [17:02:56] | Beirdo: | Dibblah, OK, that's pretty unfortunate too |
| [17:02:57] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [17:03:05] | Ediehow: | are there plans for that? |
| [17:03:07] | Juski: | mythburn is still available in knoppmyth AFAIK though |
| [17:03:13] | Dibblah: | Yeah, but the question of HOW springs to mind. |
| [17:03:19] | Juski: | Ediehow: no, not until somebody writes it |
| [17:03:22] | Ediehow: | k |
| [17:03:33] | Ediehow: | Juski: what is the best way to remove some commercials before i mytharchive to dvd? |
| [17:03:40] | Juski: | edit them |
| [17:03:41] | Ediehow: | or the best way to achieve that |
| [17:03:50] | Ediehow: | so i go to the file itself in playback and set the markers? |
| [17:03:54] | Juski: | edit, then losses transcode |
| [17:04:00] | Juski: | lossless transcode |
| [17:04:02] | |Torg|: | Dibblah you may be thinking of a toy poodle, poddles are actualy quite big |
| [17:04:04] | Beirdo: | How? A full-size poodle's compatible in size to a German Shepherd. Just not the miniature poodles. They are for making Shih-Poos, etc. |
| [17:04:08] | Ediehow: | which i choose in mytharchive, right? |
| [17:04:33] | Juski: | Ediehow: or you could RTFM on mytharchive instead of bugging me about it |
| [17:04:33] | |Torg|: | a chihudane mye be a bit of a streth tho |
| [17:04:41] | Ediehow: | Juski: what's your problem? |
| [17:04:41] | Beirdo: | haha. |
| [17:04:48] | Beirdo: | poor chihuahua |
| [17:05:07] | BULLE: | big poodles, are pretty darn big, larger then a golden retriever or a lab |
| [17:05:08] | Juski: | my problem is people who can't be bothered to read docs |
| [17:05:16] | |Torg|: | hey it could be lucky chuiui depdns on who the father is :)_ |
| [17:05:37] | |Torg|: | Juski I told you I'm illiterate :P |
| [17:05:38] | Ediehow: | Juski: i do read docs, i just didn't know the most efficient way for that, i didn't know if some people found it easier to do it separately or not |
| [17:05:39] | Ediehow: | sheesh |
| [17:05:45] | Juski: | anyway somebody here has to be the resident bastard |
| [17:06:01] | Beirdo: | yeah, I've been too busy to be a true bastard lately |
| [17:06:06] | Ediehow: | i just remember using nuvexport and i had to do everything seperately |
| [17:06:17] | |Torg|: | I cn help be a bastard. I'm pretty good at it |
| [17:06:22] | Beirdo: | Dibblah, http://www.dogbreedinfo.com/sheltidoodle.htm |
| [17:06:32] | Dibblah: | Yeah, I know. |
| [17:06:36] | Juski: | Ediehow: last thing I'll say about it is that you can do it however you want. mark the cutpoints with 'edit recording' in the OSD or by pressing E |
| [17:06:44] | Beirdo: | I happen to like Shelties. That is just sad though. |
| [17:06:52] | Juski: | and there's an option in mytharchive to use the cutlist, which you would know if you'd even looked at it |
| [17:07:04] | Ediehow: | Juski: yeah, i wasn't asking about that, but OK |
| [17:07:04] | Beirdo: | especially when you go to the breeder pages and see pics of ones with poodle cuts. |
| [17:07:06] | Ediehow: | thanks anyway |
| [17:07:23] | |Torg|: | Ediehow play the recording, but E andn then Z to import the auto detect, edit with the spacebar and page up and down, exit that, then transcode it |
| [17:07:59] | |Torg|: | cutting your dogs hair to some sort of buaty standard is assanine |
| [17:08:16] | Beirdo: | aye, and makes the dog look stupid and pitiful |
| [17:08:55] | Ediehow: | |Torg|: do you recommend the mythtranscode option? |
| [17:09:03] | Ediehow: | in mytharchive? |
| [17:09:57] | BULLE: | Beirdo: haha, pretty funny, i used their web interface to find out what type of dog would suite me, i got 3 hits, one of them being a swedish vallhund |
| [17:10:06] | BULLE: | pretty funny, if you live in sweden |
| [17:10:21] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [17:10:30] | Beirdo: | I'm sure you can get them elsewhere |
| [17:10:42] | |Torg|: | Ediehow I dont transcode at all, but if you want to it can decrease the size of the recordings |
| [17:10:53] | Beirdo: | Ooooh, you *are* in Sweden. :) I get it |
| [17:11:05] | fryfrog: | thanks for the fruity suggestions :) |
| [17:11:10] | fryfrog: | er, -s |
| [17:11:22] | Juski: | jees I guess I'd better put my s100 pages back soon. half the hits on my site have been looking for them |
| [17:12:44] | stuarta: | ahh, hometime.... |
| [17:13:16] | Juski: | have a good 'un |
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| [17:13:42] | stuarta: | tonight I have an appointment with Snr Jack & some crap movies.... |
| [17:13:52] | Beirdo: | have fun |
| [17:14:01] | Beirdo: | don't let Snr Jack take advantage of you |
| [17:14:06] | stuarta: | back in a few hours :) |
| [17:14:09] | Ediehow: | |Torg|: ok |
| [17:14:14] | kslater: | does Myth have the ability to display the signal info for ATSC OTA channels? |
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| [17:14:26] | |Torg|: | yes kslater every time you tune it |
| [17:14:47] | Beirdo: | OMG. Corgidor?! People just need to name their stupid mutts |
| [17:14:52] | kslater: | so it could be displayed in say LiveTV or something? |
| [17:15:04] | Juski: | kslater: it appears on the OSD |
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| [17:15:24] | kslater: | can you tell I don't have the output side of my OTA HD setup yet? |
| [17:16:14] | |Torg|: | anyone know offhand what the LAGMV maps to? |
| [17:16:46] | ** Juski suddenly remembers he has a dvd burner in the backend ** | |
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| [17:17:00] | Juski: | I could make a backup of all my files then burn em to deeveedee :) |
| [17:17:01] | Beirdo: | Juski, that just sounds... wrong outta context |
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| [17:17:11] | Beirdo: | wouldn't that be uncomfortable? |
| [17:17:13] | Juski: | lol |
| [17:17:22] | Juski: | 'the' not 'his' ;) |
| [17:17:27] | Beirdo: | ahhh :) |
| [17:18:58] | jduggan: | heh |
| [17:19:21] | Juski: | it's easy to forget that linux' rootfs is smaller than 4GB |
| [17:20:00] | |Torg|: | sorry what do the LAMVG letters map to? |
| [17:20:20] | seth|laptop: | well at least my HD recordings are working, thank goodness I won't be recording anything on the dish, until after I get home. Frustrating not being able to do anything from here at work |
| [17:20:22] | lotia: | kslater: hit f7 in livetv and you get a signal strength display |
| [17:20:50] | |Torg|: | seth what do you use to tune dish? |
| [17:20:56] | seth|laptop: | an irblaster |
| [17:21:02] | seth|laptop: | channel change script |
| [17:21:14] | |Torg|: | haha ok I asked the wrong question, what do you use to capture it :) |
| [17:21:21] | seth|laptop: | pvr150mce |
| [17:21:28] | |Torg|: | as SD? |
| [17:21:30] | seth|laptop: | yes |
| [17:21:36] | seth|laptop: | svideo, red white |
| [17:21:40] | seth|laptop: | non coax |
| [17:21:42] | |Torg|: | can you/do you do HD? |
| [17:21:56] | |Torg|: | I want HD from sat, but thye lock there god damn boxes content tight |
| [17:21:59] | seth|laptop: | I do HD with air2pc cards, 2 rev. 2 different card |
| [17:22:35] | seth|laptop: | i looked at the dish network hd lineup, I am not impressed. |
| [17:22:44] | seth|laptop: | I get better stuff free to air, hehe |
| [17:23:14] | |Torg|: | I got teh same ATSC cards as you, im pretty much in the same opinion too |
| [17:23:30] | |Torg|: | but about half my channels I cant get becase they brodcast in the other direction |
| [17:23:39] | |Torg|: | so out of 16 channels I can get 5 |
| [17:24:33] | seth|laptop: | i noticed something interesting kast night. a 2hr show on pbshd without commercials, is only slightly larger than a 1 hour show with commercails, ie heros @ 7.2GB and Space from pbshd @7.9GB but twice the run time, damnable commercials, hehe |
| [17:25:11] | seth|laptop: | I use 2 antennai, one for abc and cbs, and 1 for nbc,fox, and pbs |
| [17:25:36] | crweb: | your antennai allow you to choose channels? |
| [17:25:39] | |Torg|: | my PBS bcasts at 720P while the rest do at 1080I that may account for some differnce |
| [17:25:49] | seth|laptop: | hmm |
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| [17:26:09] | crweb: | also, if you watched the video and then hit save it, it would be live tv quality, not default or high quality |
| [17:26:19] | |Torg|: | do you mux the antennae or do you do two seperate lineups? |
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| [17:26:25] | seth|laptop: | crweb: no, I have a combiner box, the output is then split combined to both of my cards, they don't know the difference |
| [17:26:52] | seth|laptop: | i only use 1 lineup |
| [17:26:53] | crweb: | i don't think we have any overthe air HD here... |
| [17:27:02] | |Torg|: | crweb where do you live? |
| [17:27:07] | crweb: | Southern Illinois |
| [17:27:17] | |Torg|: | can you get bcasts over an antenna? |
| [17:27:25] | crweb: | like 3 channels |
| [17:27:27] | seth|laptop: | you should, run your zipcode through antennaweb.org |
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| [17:27:44] | |Torg|: | then its posible, most likly you can get some OTA HD there |
| [17:27:56] | Ediehow: | torg i always seem to get the last few seconds of the show |
| [17:28:01] | Ediehow: | despite trying to cut till the end |
| [17:28:05] | |Torg|: | all tv sations in the US over 15KW MUST brodcast in ATSC |
| [17:28:07] | seth|laptop: | and I am pretty remote, I live like 2000miles past where jesus lost his sandles, hehe |
| [17:28:19] | Ediehow: | like, say i want to cut from 1:59 to 2:00 |
| [17:28:31] | Ediehow: | and the show is only 2 hrs long |
| [17:28:37] | |Torg|: | I live where you "can't get TV" |
| [17:28:39] | Ediehow: | it cuts from 1:59 to like 1:59.58 |
| [17:28:50] | |Torg|: | at least all my neibers told me I was stupid when I put up teh antenna |
| [17:29:06] | |Torg|: | then of course if you hav ever seem my name is earl you have meet my neighbors :P |
| [17:29:21] | seth|laptop: | well where I live, everyone has some flavor of dish, but they use antennas for local, so that was a good sign for me |
| [17:29:38] | crweb: | we use dish for local also |
| [17:30:01] | crweb: | so, stations that have a * next to DTV are HD? |
| [17:30:03] | |Torg|: | then crweb il bet you can also get ATSC |
| [17:30:04] | seth|laptop: | and my hd antennas are only like 12" x 14" square, so they laughed at me as they sat their with their big 12 footers on thier roofs |
| [17:30:17] | |Torg|: | on what crweb ? |
| [17:30:22] | crweb: | antennaweb.org |
| [17:30:30] | |Torg|: | yes |
| [17:30:31] | seth|laptop: | yes |
| [17:30:40] | crweb: | what are the different antenna types for? |
| [17:30:44] | |Torg|: | btw antennaweb lies |
| [17:30:56] | |Torg|: | you mean the color grades? |
| [17:31:00] | crweb: | well, it has all our channels listed |
| [17:31:03] | crweb: | yes |
| [17:31:04] | crweb: | the colors |
| [17:31:22] | |Torg|: | they are a "antennas for dummies" way of decrining antenna types |
| [17:31:47] | |Torg|: | they corespind to liner gain, full wave and directional vs onmi antennae |
| [17:32:06] | crweb: | hmm.. FOX is in HD and only 28 miles away |
| [17:32:18] | crweb: | our cable company just dropped fox |
| [17:32:22] | |Torg|: | its easier to say go get a viloet antenna then get a directionsl with preamp |
| [17:32:22] | fryfrog: | wtf? |
| [17:32:30] | fryfrog: | how can a cable company *drop* fox? |
| [17:32:43] | crweb: | fryfrog: cause KBSI was trying to rape them |
| [17:32:52] | Pitr: | happens often, around here as well |
| [17:33:02] | |Torg|: | crweb BE CAREFULL with antennaweb, it knows nothing about directions bcasts, hills, or obsticles |
| [17:33:12] | fryfrog: | damn, i'd be pissed at my cable company if they dropped 1 of the big 5 or 6 networks |
| [17:33:13] | crweb: | fryfrog: they wanted 2.5 million more than any other station is getting |
| [17:33:20] | Ediehow: | man cut points are sure hard to manage |
| [17:33:29] | |Torg|: | according to antennaweb I should be able to get twice the chanenls I can |
| [17:33:40] | fryfrog: | at least i can't think of any good shows on fox :) |
| [17:33:45] | |Torg|: | even some of the statsion bcast on the same exact physcal tower |
| [17:33:46] | crweb: | so.. I have to have a different antenna for each? |
| [17:34:00] | |Torg|: | no, not unless the directions all differ |
| [17:34:03] | crweb: | fryfrog: umm.. family guy, american dad, etc.. |
| [17:34:07] | fryfrog: | nah, only if they are *vastly* different directions |
| [17:34:13] | fryfrog: | oh, poop family guy is on fox? |
| [17:34:18] | Beirdo: | Simpsons |
| [17:34:21] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [17:34:31] | fryfrog: | i stand corrected :) |
| [17:34:37] | |Torg|: | depnds on distance to the tower but as much as 30 degrees can be ok still |
| [17:34:45] | Beirdo: | I'm sure the rest is utter shite though |
| [17:34:51] | crweb: | so, 220,223,357,111 |
| [17:35:10] | |Torg|: | teh 111 you will need another antraa as you will for 357 |
| [17:35:12] | Ediehow: | i am hitting enter on a cut point to remove it, and it says insert a new cut point? |
| [17:35:25] | fryfrog: | you aren't on the point then |
| [17:35:30] | crweb: | no wonder over the air HD hasn't caught on |
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| [17:35:39] | fryfrog: | hit down a bunch of times till you are at the "cut point" option, then use left/right to get onto it |
| [17:35:40] | |Torg|: | Ediehow you can remove, move or insert a cutpoint, its on the menu |
| [17:35:41] | Ediehow: | the cut point is 6 minutes long |
| [17:35:58] | fryfrog: | no, that is two cut points |
| [17:36:01] | fryfrog: | 6 minutes apart |
| [17:36:10] | |Torg|: | crweb HD hsnt cought on becase the recivers are too expensive and wally world dont sell it |
| [17:36:17] | Ediehow: | i mena, right now, if i start the program, it goes to 6 minutes |
| [17:36:37] | |Torg|: | Ediehow there are two tupes of cutpoints too, pay attention to which way they point |
| [17:36:38] | crweb: | if i have to have 3 antennas, thats just annoying |
| [17:36:42] | Ediehow: | k |
| [17:36:46] | crweb: | i'll just keep my HD cable. |
| [17:36:48] | mkrufky: | crweb: who says OTA HD hasnt caught on? |
| [17:37:03] | crweb: | mkrufky: well.. there are 2 channels in my area |
| [17:37:07] | |Torg|: | crweb what is on 111 and 357 that you want to see that isnt on 220 and 223? |
| [17:37:09] | fryfrog: | crweb: if they are all pretty close, you *might* get them with rabbit ears or omni mode |
| [17:37:14] | mkrufky: | maybe cuz anybody than is willing to buy an HDTV in the first place probably already subscribes to cable/ satellite |
| [17:37:41] | fryfrog: | er, omni-directional |
| [17:37:49] | Ediehow: | ah poop, it's doing the same thing as before |
| [17:37:58] | Ediehow: | inserting the first split second then going on |
| [17:38:14] | Ediehow: | as in, it plays 0.00 to 0.01 then skips to 2 minutes where i ended the cutpoint |
| [17:38:25] | mkrufky: | fryfrog: fox has a ton of great shows — it's fox NEWS that we want to stay away from (damned republicans) |
| [17:38:29] | |Torg|: | crweb two of my channels, the ones that have perfect signal (yea right) are withing 25 miles of me. I could use a coat hanger and still get them |
| [17:38:54] | |Torg|: | to get HD tv you dont necessarily need highly tehcnical large dishes and antenna |
| [17:39:06] | |Torg|: | some of it works with plain ol rabbit ears (depdns on how far you are away) |
| [17:39:17] | |Torg|: | the tehcnology we use for anteanna is about 100 yers old |
| [17:39:19] | crweb: | great, just what we need, a blue, red antenna, and a coat hanger on my tv ;) |
| [17:39:26] | |Torg|: | its about as LOW tech as you can get |
| [17:39:39] | |Torg|: | how far are you fromt eh towers? |
| [17:39:42] | ** Pitr wonders why he never hears any non-tech people rejoice the existence of HD-TV :-) ** | |
| [17:39:50] | Pitr: | apart from men wanting to buy a new tv |
| [17:40:01] | |Torg|: | Pitr go talk to my nighbors, my kids and my wife |
| [17:40:04] | crweb: | |Torg|: they are all less than 30 |
| [17:40:17] | |Torg|: | crweb what color is it telling you? |
| [17:40:23] | Ediehow: | if i insert a cut point near end or beginning |
| [17:40:26] | crweb: | red, green, and blue |
| [17:40:31] | Ediehow: | and put "delete before" or "delete after" |
| [17:40:34] | Pitr: | Torg, any more? :) |
| [17:40:39] | Ediehow: | myth still plays that split second at the end |
| [17:40:50] | crweb: | Pitr: i have hd cable, but I'd like FOX still |
| [17:41:01] | |Torg|: | crweb aside from the green all the rest are directioan antennae |
| [17:41:19] | crweb: | ow wait |
| [17:41:26] | |Torg|: | btw if you have digntial cable the best youc an hope for is firewire out |
| [17:41:27] | crweb: | red, blue, gree, yellow |
| [17:41:33] | |Torg|: | you still need that ir blaster kludge |
| [17:41:39] | ** Pitr has oldstyle cable ** | |
| [17:41:45] | mkrufky: | |Torg|: only for encrypted channels — not all are encrypted |
| [17:41:49] | Pitr: | and analogue in car ;-) |
| [17:41:51] | crweb: | I have my HD cable working |
| [17:41:57] | mkrufky: | me too |
| [17:42:15] | |Torg|: | yes mkrufky you are 100% correct, out of the 100 or so channels we have on digital cable TWO are NOT encrypted |
| [17:42:23] | mkrufky: | oh, that sucks |
| [17:42:24] | |Torg|: | the stupid fucks even encrypt the local stations |
| [17:42:24] | seth|laptop: | ack, phfeh, pay for HD |
| [17:42:35] | mkrufky: | i have 30 unencrypted channels |
| [17:42:47] | seth|laptop: | in HD? |
| [17:42:49] | crweb: | most of ours are unencrypted. stupid fucks just don't know how to do it. |
| [17:42:50] | mkrufky: | oh wait... 30 channels that provide a channel name .... |
| [17:43:02] | mkrufky: | i have approx 200 unencrypted channels in total |
| [17:43:11] | mkrufky: | but most of those are those audio only channels |
| [17:43:12] | |Torg|: | the cabel company charging me to use their DVR and the SAT comapny ginv me shit signal and nickle and dime pricing is WHY I made myth boxes |
| [17:43:18] | mkrufky: | with the music videos, etc |
| [17:43:30] | |Torg|: | its when I realised 90% of what I watch I can get via the airwaves |
| [17:43:42] | |Torg|: | the bestest part of my solution is my monthly subscrition fee |
| [17:43:50] | seth|laptop: | ack, there is only ine channel for music videos, The Tube Network, and its free to air in HD |
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| [17:44:14] | |Torg|: | and when the stupid assholes tell me I can get better piture with THIER digital soltution I think its rather funny of not insulting |
| [17:44:26] | mkrufky: | in time warner cable, they have 100 or so channels that are just random music |
| [17:44:36] | |Torg|: | yes seth TUBE is one of the signals I cant get :( |
| [17:44:39] | mkrufky: | there is a video feed, but not actual music videos |
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| [17:44:41] | seth|laptop: | :-( |
| [17:44:54] | ** seth|laptop loves the tube ** | |
| [17:44:55] | |Torg|: | its part of the "bradcast the wrong way" gorup |
| [17:44:57] | mkrufky: | and the tube is here too, both cable and fta ... but it's SDTV, not HDTV for nyc |
| [17:45:07] | Juski: | we have 2 FTA music channels here, but they only ever show the same videos all day long |
| [17:45:14] | ** seth|laptop its like MTV before 1990, and with no VJ's ** | |
| [17:45:26] | |Torg|: | mkrufky offhand how many songs do you listen to that are recorded in surround sound :P |
| [17:45:26] | Juski: | ray cokes, ftw! |
| [17:45:40] | mkrufky: | yeah, i must say... THE_TUBE is pretty not bad |
| [17:45:49] | mkrufky: | |Torg|: very few, actually |
| [17:46:01] | |Torg|: | so why do you want them in HD? |
| [17:46:11] | mkrufky: | i dont |
| [17:46:21] | mkrufky: | somebody above said that he gets the tube in HD |
| [17:46:26] | mkrufky: | here we only get it in SD |
| [17:46:31] | seth|laptop: | I get it in HD |
| [17:46:34] | seth|laptop: | free to air |
| [17:46:35] | |Torg|: | seth does |
| [17:46:37] | mkrufky: | cool ... |
| [17:46:41] | seth|laptop: | 43_2 |
| [17:46:45] | seth|laptop: | from Fox |
| [17:46:46] | mkrufky: | here they broadcast it in 480i |
| [17:46:49] | |Torg|: | I get it in ATSC too, but its SD inside HD (or so the lineup tells me) |
| [17:46:58] | |Torg|: | in actuality I get no signal at all, its bast with FOX |
| [17:47:07] | |Torg|: | I cant get FOX or CW |
| [17:47:14] | |Torg|: | altho I get one indimendant |
| [17:47:17] | |Torg|: | err ind |
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| [17:47:35] | seth|laptop: | wow, those and nbc are my best signals |
| [17:47:36] | |Torg|: | I also get two univision and one telmundo I could care less about :P |
| [17:47:51] | |Torg|: | abc comes in at over 100% signal |
| [17:48:03] | |Torg|: | I have a digital amp on it that confuses the signal meter on my cards |
| [17:48:04] | mkrufky: | hehe that telemundo building — im looking at it right now across the street |
| [17:48:45] | seth|laptop: | how do those work |Torg|, I was thinking about getting a signal amp |
| [17:48:51] | |Torg|: | telemundo is the only station here that bcasts omni at over 100Mw |
| [17:49:04] | kinch: | I'm trying to change the GUI height and width in the Setup/Appearance. The fields contain 0 atm. I activate the field, the insertion curson appears, but I am not able to enter any new value. A myth bug ? |
| [17:49:15] | |Torg|: | well for a few of my channels seth, most ntoable NBC without it I get a marjional signal |
| [17:49:17] | mkrufky: | seth|laptop: get a drop amp — so you can amplify while also splitting the signal to more than one receiver |
| [17:49:23] | |Torg|: | so it seems to work pretty well |
| [17:49:25] | mkrufky: | there's a REAL cheap one on ebay |
| [17:49:34] | seth|laptop: | drop amp? |
| [17:49:39] | mkrufky: | i'll get a link, brb |
| [17:50:04] | kinch: | oh, I just noticed that left and right arrow work. they increment and decrement the values. odd |
| [17:50:39] | |Torg|: | be carefull of the amp you get tho |
| [17:50:57] | Ediehow: | so no one can answer that q?:) |
| [17:51:40] | |Torg|: | http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem . . . e=osi_widget |
| [17:51:47] | |Torg|: | thats what I use |
| [17:52:16] | |Torg|: | Ediehow what is your question? |
| [17:52:22] | Ediehow: | i don't get it, why do i tell it to delete after cut point but it still includes split second at the end of the file? |
| [17:52:43] | |Torg|: | look at them, look at the direcion the point |
| [17:53:19] | mkrufky: | seth|laptop: this is the one i bought — it works wonder: |
| [17:53:22] | mkrufky: | wonders: |
| [17:53:22] | |Torg|: | a start here, start here, end here will look like one continuous cut with a cutpoint in the middle doing nothing |
| [17:53:23] | Ediehow: | well, it says "delete after this cut point"' |
| [17:53:23] | mkrufky: | http://konstantin.filtschew.de/v4l-firmware/firmware_v3.tgz |
| [17:53:25] | Ediehow: | and i did that:( |
| [17:53:28] | mkrufky: | argh wrong link!!! |
| [17:53:30] | seth|laptop: | and 4db is enough? |
| [17:53:37] | mkrufky: | http://cgi.ebay.com/PCT-8-PORT-CABLE-TV-DIGIT . . . cmdZViewItem |
| [17:53:42] | mkrufky: | (sorry about that) |
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| [17:54:14] | mkrufky: | yes, 4db is enough |
| [17:55:15] | |Torg|: | the only diff I can see between the two is the one mkrufky has more outputs |
| [17:55:54] | |Torg|: | btw you dont have bi-directional ATSC, so you ont need retrun path |
| [17:56:10] | |Torg|: | altho it would be nice for people with cable modems |
| [17:56:55] | mkrufky: | yeah they're basically the same thing |
| [17:57:25] | |Torg|: | seth like mkrufky said tho they make a BIG difference |
| [17:57:26] | mkrufky: | here's another of the same design with only 4 outputs: |
| [17:57:33] | |Torg|: | I would have channels pixilate and lock in and out |
| [17:57:34] | mkrufky: | http://cgi.ebay.com/PCT-4-PORT-CABLE-TV-HDTV- . . . cmdZViewItem |
| [17:57:39] | |Torg|: | with it they are solid |
| [17:58:05] | mkrufky: | without this drop-amp, my mythbackend was basically useless |
| [17:58:28] | |Torg|: | hmm I wonder if I got that second one I could get those stations at night that I know I can see but cant use |
| [17:58:48] | |Torg|: | my azap channel conf is full of [0003] [0004] etc |
| [17:59:23] | |Torg|: | there is a definitive part about you cant amp what aint ther, and the more you amp signal the more you amp noise too |
| [17:59:58] | seth|laptop: | wow, people are bidding them up |
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| [18:00:09] | seth|laptop: | the 4 prot 8db is over 16$ now |
| [18:00:41] | seth|laptop: | prot even |
| [18:00:45] | seth|laptop: | hehe port even |
| [18:01:10] | |Torg|: | they go for about $30 retail |
| [18:02:18] | seth|laptop: | my neighbor has one of those rotors that goes to the compass heading, I was debationg getting one, but they asre $$$ |
| [18:02:33] | |Torg|: | why woudl someone buy a bipass drop amp? |
| [18:02:34] | seth|laptop: | and i would need to buy a serial port card, for all the irblaster stuff |
| [18:02:50] | |Torg|: | http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem . . . OBOX:NEWLIST |
| [18:03:00] | |Torg|: | if the power goes out it still gives you signal |
| [18:03:17] | |Torg|: | of course your tv has no power too, but what the hell I can still get signal :) |
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| [18:09:01] | |Torg|: | can you run amps in series? |
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| [18:10:53] | mkrufky: | i think you can, but im not sure about that |
| [18:11:59] | seth|laptop: | i would think the ports may burn out, as they are bidirectional, and only rated at a certain amount |
| [18:12:16] | |Torg|: | ports on what? |
| [18:15:11] | |Torg|: | you could amp an rf signal infinatly (in theory) and it wont burn anything. The only thing it will do is make it too stong for your AGC to lock onto |
| [18:15:30] | mkrufky: | yeah, i think it's safe |
| [18:15:30] | |Torg|: | you *CAN* overamp the signal, but you wont "burn out" antthing |
| [18:15:50] | mkrufky: | but better to buy a larger drop-amp than daisy-chaining them |
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| [18:15:58] | |Torg|: | RF is just magnatism, it greats amps and volate when passwrd by an elextrical source |
| [18:16:13] | |Torg|: | you could make that signl produce high all the time if you over amp it |
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| [18:16:24] | |Torg|: | think of it as a switch that gets flipped over and over |
| [18:16:32] | |Torg|: | too stong a signal asn it stays on, all the time |
| [18:16:43] | |Torg|: | to low a singal and it never gets turned on at all |
| [18:17:02] | |Torg|: | you need to tell the differnce between signal and trash (thats your SNR) |
| [18:17:10] | |Torg|: | but you need signal to begin with (thats the AGC) |
| [18:17:26] | |Torg|: | so make a signal too weak, too strong and your AGC cant lock, no signal |
| [18:17:43] | |Torg|: | make the signal string, but the SNR to low, you can lock but cant differntiate, no signal |
| [18:18:03] | |Torg|: | you can play a bit in there with your AGC helping, which is why you want a drop amp and not a liniar one |
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| [18:18:17] | |Torg|: | a liniar amp would amp everything rf, signal and noise |
| [18:18:26] | |Torg|: | you are trying to amp just the signal |
| [18:18:26] | fryfrog: | anyone besides stuart use nagios? |
| [18:19:52] | |Torg|: | no but if you can tell me if mythbackend cant talk to my dvb cards with it ill use it :) |
| [18:20:22] | Defend: | i use nagios |
| [18:20:24] | Defend: | at work |
| [18:22:19] | Pitr: | heheh. there's a simpson episode about HD TV on 8) |
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| [18:27:18] | lotia: | |Torg|: what cards are you using? |
| [18:28:49] | |Torg|: | two second gen air2pc cards |
| [18:28:55] | |Torg|: | same as seth has |
| [18:29:28] | lotia: | |Torg|: so they're atsc? |
| [18:29:52] | mkrufky: | lotia: yes |
| [18:30:07] | mkrufky: | atsc with ota capabilities only |
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| [18:30:30] | lotia: | |Torg|: can other apps see them? |
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| [18:31:16] | seth|laptop: | i can see my air2pc cards with vlc from a windows box |
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| [18:31:42] | Ediehow: | hi, i have the cutlists set up, torg |
| [18:31:55] | |Torg|: | yes I can use the dvb cards in mplayer and vlc, I dont tho |
| [18:31:58] | Ediehow: | i was wondering, then, how do i change the order of the 3 recordings in mytharchive, and are there more dvd menu themes i can install? |
| [18:32:13] | |Torg|: | it shows up as /dev/dvb/adapter0 and /dev/dvb/adapter1 |
| [18:32:29] | |Torg|: | Ediehow I dont archive them so I dont know |
| [18:32:49] | |Torg|: | I simply cutlist them for commericals and watch them, when I am done I delte them (well let them get deleted) |
| [18:33:05] | Ediehow: | anyone know if there are more dvd menu themes you can download? |
| [18:33:36] | seth|laptop: | I have yet to try mytharchive |
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| [18:34:46] | crweb: | how do you scroll description text in the Recordings window? |
| [18:36:34] | Ediehow: | mythtv-theme-MediaCenterOSD.noarch |
| [18:36:37] | Ediehow: | all these themes on yum |
| [18:36:42] | Ediehow: | are those for dvd too? |
| [18:37:13] | seth|laptop: | that file is an on-screen display theme |
| [18:37:23] | seth|laptop: | I do not believe they would work in mytharchive |
| [18:37:58] | Ediehow: | well like this |
| [18:38:03] | Ediehow: | mythtv-theme-isthmus.noarch |
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| [18:39:02] | Ediehow: | seth|laptop: do you know wher eto get more themes for dvd menu theme in mytharchive? |
| [18:39:21] | seth|laptop: | Ediehow: unfortunatley no I do not |
| [18:39:32] | seth|laptop: | Mine only has the 3 it came with |
| [18:39:44] | Ediehow: | hmm, they go in /usr/share/mythtv/mytharchive/themes |
| [18:39:45] | Ediehow: | let's see |
| [18:39:45] | Juski: | there are only the ones that come with it AFAIK |
| [18:39:52] | Ediehow: | Juski: oh ok |
| [18:40:07] | Juski: | there'll be one or two on my to-do list soonish |
| [18:40:25] | Juski: | there is no escape from my themes! |
| [18:40:33] | Juski: | muhahahahahahaha |
| [18:40:56] | Juski: | but I need to make some new intros first |
| [18:41:33] | seth|laptop: | how do you use the intros? |
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| [18:42:07] | Juski: | you choose the intro you want in mytharchive |
| [18:42:23] | seth|laptop: | oh, I guess I might have to try to use that this weekend |
| [18:42:25] | Juski: | the intro is the video that plays when you first play the dvd |
| [18:42:37] | seth|laptop: | I really should start srchiving these infernal boobah episodes |
| [18:42:40] | seth|laptop: | ;-) |
| [18:42:52] | Juski: | and choobar |
| [18:42:55] | Juski: | and foobar |
| [18:42:57] | Juski: | ;) |
| [18:43:13] | Ediehow: | Juski: errr |
| [18:43:18] | Ediehow: | i am wondering about encoder profile |
| [18:43:52] | Ediehow: | the file sizes are 3.35g, 1.12g and 1.06g |
| [18:43:52] | Juski: | why do you always ask me? I honestly don't know all the answers ya know |
| [18:43:59] | Ediehow: | does that mean i need to do LP profile? |
| [18:44:30] | Juski: | I think you choose one, then see how much space it'd take up |
| [18:44:57] | Juski: | but there's also an option to squash everything to fit on the disc anyway |
| [18:45:13] | Ediehow: | ohhhhh |
| [18:45:15] | Juski: | I'm fairly sure there's a manual in the wiki |
| [18:45:17] | Ediehow: | i have the option to "don't reencode" |
| [18:45:26] | Ediehow: | if i choose that, iti says uhh |
| [18:45:54] | Ediehow: | ah POOP |
| [18:46:50] | Ediehow: | is "encoder profile" for the entire dvd, or each file? |
| [18:47:47] | Ediehow: | btw, that's not in the wiki;) |
| [18:47:58] | lotia: | |Torg|: so vlc and mplayer see them and mythbackend doesn't? |
| [18:48:09] | Ediehow: | yes, apparently it is |
| [18:48:27] | |Torg|: | no mythbackend vlc and mythbackend all see them |
| [18:48:31] | |Torg|: | as does azap |
| [18:48:56] | |Torg|: | I tell the BE not to lock them so I *could* use them otherwise (mostly for azap) but I dont use them in mplayer or vlc |
| [18:50:37] | lotia: | so stuff works for you then? i was confused when you made that commend. |
| [18:50:42] | lotia: | comment that is |
| [18:51:26] | |Torg|: | yes it works |
| [18:51:42] | Ediehow: | uhh juski |
| [18:51:48] | Ediehow: | the log viewer is showing nothing |
| [18:52:03] | seth|laptop: | hit the key to refresh it |
| [18:52:09] | seth|laptop: | or wait 5 seconds |
| [18:52:09] | Ediehow: | i did |
| [18:52:10] | Ediehow: | nothing happens |
| [18:52:13] | Ediehow: | nothing is showing at all |
| [18:52:13] | seth|laptop: | i remember that |
| [18:52:34] | ** seth|laptop really need to try this mytharchive thing this weekend ** | |
| [18:52:47] | Ediehow: | can i do "exit" and it will be running? |
| [18:53:01] | Defend: | any one here use an xbox as a front end? |
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| [18:53:30] | |Torg|: | use Defend no, try yes |
| [18:53:50] | Defend: | what |
| [18:53:51] | Defend: | lol |
| [18:54:05] | |Torg|: | hve I tested my xbox with XBMC as a frontend, yes |
| [18:54:16] | |Torg|: | did it work, well for music yes, for vieo I record HD and it cant play it |
| [18:54:28] | |Torg|: | do I use it, no. It was just a "lets see if this works" thing |
| [18:54:44] | Defend: | does it do myth video and mythtv ? |
| [18:55:05] | Ediehow: | seth|laptop: is log viewer supposed to be showing something? |
| [18:55:10] | |Torg|: | if the recordings are in SD yes |
| [18:55:11] | Ediehow: | can i do ps auxw and see if whatever is running? |
| [18:55:23] | Defend: | i am just asking cause i see xbmc or myth on linux install |
| [18:55:40] | Defend: | SD ? |
| [18:55:45] | seth|laptop: | it should show the stage in which mytharchive is at, but I never really tried it :-( |
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| [18:56:09] | Defend: | all my stuff is xvid and then stuff i record from my analog cable |
| [18:56:35] | |Torg|: | Standard Defenition |
| [18:56:52] | |Torg|: | you can tell your xbox to play AC3 but with an analog connector it wont work |
| [18:56:55] | levander: | I'm looking at a web page where a guy plugged a Comcast cable signal into a pcHDTV 3000. I thought those pcHDTV cards were only good for catching over-the-air HDTV signals. You can use them to view HDTV from your cable company also? |
| [18:57:01] | |Torg|: | I could tell my xbox to play 1080I but it cant |
| [18:57:13] | |Torg|: | I record in HDTV format, an xbox cant play HDTV |
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| [18:57:34] | |Torg|: | so aside from the fact I have two ATSC only DVB cards, the xbox works fine ;) |
| [18:57:49] | Defend: | hehe |
| [18:57:50] | mkrufky: | levander: yes |
| [18:57:59] | Defend: | so i will take that as a yes for me |
| [18:58:00] | Defend: | :) |
| [18:58:01] | mkrufky: | levander: pcHDTV is not the only one though — there are others as well |
| [18:58:06] | Defend: | i dont have hd so i am good |
| [18:58:15] | levander: | mkrufky: i thought the HDTV was encrypted? |
| [18:58:28] | Defend: | i was just woundering if it know how to use the myth video plugin |
| [18:58:29] | mkrufky: | levander: on digital cable, some is encrypted, some is not |
| [18:58:30] | Ediehow: | seth|laptop: if i do exit as opposed to cancel, what will that do? |
| [18:58:45] | seth|laptop: | well it should continue to run in the background |
| [18:58:46] | mkrufky: | levander: usually the pay channels (hbo, etc) are encrypted |
| [18:58:57] | Ediehow: | seth|laptop: right, can i determine that through ps auxw? what am i looking for |
| [18:59:09] | levander: | mkrufky: and, for those channels, you need to hook your myth box up to a cable box? |
| [18:59:11] | mkrufky: | levander: the channels that you would normally see in HD over FTA are also available on digital cable systems unencrypted |
| [18:59:15] | mkrufky: | levander: no |
| [18:59:26] | mkrufky: | levander: i hook it directly from the way to my machine |
| [18:59:29] | mkrufky: | waLL |
| [18:59:47] | levander: | mkrufky: i meant you need to hook your myth box up to a cable box for encrypted channels, is that right? |
| [19:00:08] | seth|laptop: | Ediehow: ps -ef should show something in relation to mytharchive, or ranscode or something, I have never tried it, so I am unsure |
| [19:00:08] | mkrufky: | yes |
| [19:00:12] | mkrufky: | levander: yes |
| [19:00:34] | mkrufky: | levander: here is a matrix of supported ATSC cards.... you want it to work with QAM if you want to use digital cable |
| [19:00:35] | mkrufky: | http://linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/ATSC_cards |
| [19:00:35] | levander: | mkrufky: thanks, it's like no matter how much i read, there's always something new |
| [19:00:40] | levander: | myth isn't for novices |
| [19:00:57] | mkrufky: | levander: also, there are a few more devices that I will be releasing drivers for in the next month |
| [19:01:00] | ** seth|laptop upgrades his webmin, so I can admin LVM from a browser ** | |
| [19:01:23] | levander: | mkrufky: okay, great |
| [19:01:43] | levander: | mkrufky: i think i'm staying away from HDTV for this first myth box build |
| [19:01:46] | mkrufky: | in case anybody is curious, the OnAir Creator is supported now.... im just having this wierd power-cycle bug... i will release that driver as soon as i solve it |
| [19:02:10] | levander: | mkrufky: i haven't subscribed to it from my cable company, and the processor on this box isn't fast enough to decode HDTV anyway |
| [19:02:50] | mkrufky: | i use an Athlon XP 3200+ for my frontend box. ... but it also worked before i upgraded the cpu from an Athlon XP 2000+ |
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| [19:03:01] | mkrufky: | it's 1080i where i have problems |
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| [19:03:06] | mkrufky: | cpu overheats :-( |
| [19:03:13] | levander: | mkrufky: this is a dual pIII 550 box, SDTV only for it i think |
| [19:03:19] | ** mkrufky needs to invest in a new cooling system ** | |
| [19:03:31] | mkrufky: | levander: yeah that would work fine with sdtv |
| [19:03:53] | levander: | mkrufky: you've tried myth, hooking it up via firewire to a cable box? |
| [19:03:59] | lotia: | is udev also going to replace the pcmcia package at some point? |
| [19:04:01] | ** |Torg| made a dual ATSC tuner BE and a seperate FE as his first mythtv project ** | |
| [19:04:19] | mkrufky: | levander: i have not tried the firewire thing yet ... i will try it soon though |
| [19:04:45] | levander: | mkrufky: yeah, i'm not doing that right away either, but imagine i will want to upgrade into something like that before too long |
| [19:05:12] | levander: | I am worried that this dual pIII 550 box only has an ATA33 controller on the motherboard |
| [19:05:23] | levander: | I'm not sure it's going to be fast enough to drive the Firewire connection |
| [19:05:30] | mkrufky: | main reason why i havent done it yet is because i am already recording WAAAAY too many tv shows as it is |
| [19:05:45] | stuarta: | levander: sata cards are cheap |
| [19:06:02] | levander: | or, rather I meant the PCI 1.0 controller on the motherboard – to plug the Firewire card into the motherboard |
| [19:06:12] | mkrufky: | im considering to buy a SATA card so that i can use 4 SATA drives instead of just 2 like i have now |
| [19:06:15] | levander: | stuarta: but, they don't make the motherboard any faster |
| [19:06:18] | mkrufky: | 800GB just isnt enough anymore |
| [19:06:23] | seth|laptop: | ??? |
| [19:06:27] | |Torg|: | ??? |
| [19:06:35] | mkrufky: | hehe i never erase after i watch |
| [19:06:45] | stuarta: | yeah but a dual pIII box has plenty of cpu for bit banging |
| [19:06:46] | mkrufky: | cuz my friends come over and want to see shows they missed |
| [19:07:09] | |Torg|: | I have a 160G ide disk I reocrd ATSC HD bcasts on |
| [19:07:18] | |Torg|: | each recoding is ~7G per hour |
| [19:07:33] | |Torg|: | on my disk is at least the last 3 weeks of TV I reocrded |
| [19:07:39] | |Torg|: | how in the hell is 800G too little? |
| [19:08:09] | mkrufky: | hehehe |
| [19:08:29] | mkrufky: | its all based on the user |
| [19:08:35] | mkrufky: | apparantly i am a crazy nutjob |
| [19:08:38] | GreyFoxx: | and number of users |
| [19:08:41] | mkrufky: | and i keep all these shows archived |
| [19:08:44] | mkrufky: | yes – -good point |
| [19:08:44] | lose_the_grim: | Newegg SATA2 drives $149 |
| [19:08:49] | lose_the_grim: | 500g |
| [19:08:56] | lose_the_grim: | *00t* |
| [19:09:05] | GreyFoxx: | 3 myth users, 5 frontends in my house. Betwen music, videos and recordings we are always 800+G |
| [19:09:08] | mkrufky: | i have 2 400GB drives ... im going to save up to buy 4 750's and a new sata card |
| [19:09:29] | opello: | wd re2s for always-on-ness? |
| [19:09:36] | mkrufky: | yes, exactly! |
| [19:09:42] | Ediehow: | seth|laptop: i do ps auxw |grep myth and i only see mythbackend |
| [19:09:45] | opello: | :) they're good drives |
| [19:09:49] | Ediehow: | does that mean mytharchive failed? |
| [19:09:53] | mkrufky: | most reliable ive seen yet |
| [19:09:58] | opello: | yup |
| [19:10:01] | |Torg|: | and when I want to store mp3s or video on my BE I will, right now I smb mount it from my windows boxes |
| [19:10:11] | |Torg|: | so 160G is pruly for HD recording |
| [19:10:34] | mkrufky: | i have an IDE drive for that stuff |
| [19:10:46] | mkrufky: | i use the SATA LVM for recordings strictly |
| [19:10:47] | |Torg|: | GreyFoxx did you ever give me the specs on what you wanted from the tcpdump? |
| [19:10:59] | GreyFoxx: | between DVD rips of my daughtes movies, her recordings, my wife and I's stuff and my archived stuff it takes up a lot of space :) |
| [19:11:08] | |Torg|: | ahh I dont rip dvs |
| [19:11:14] | GreyFoxx: | |Torg|: Yeah, I'll send you a couple lines in a bit |
| [19:11:24] | GreyFoxx: | |Torg|: I got tired of always popping in her movies |
| [19:11:29] | GreyFoxx: | like Finding Nemo |
| [19:11:37] | GreyFoxx: | I just play it from Mythvideo now heh |
| [19:11:57] | Ediehow: | ah i get it |
| [19:11:57] | |Torg|: | I have a DVD jukebox for that :) |
| [19:12:02] | GreyFoxx: | heh |
| [19:12:06] | GreyFoxx: | How many does it hold ? |
| [19:12:50] | GreyFoxx: | a few months ago I was looking for something like that (preferably something I can hook to a pc) and could only find old cdjukeboxes |
| [19:13:14] | |Torg|: | 100, I want the 600 disk version :) |
| [19:13:15] | Ediehow: | i had to create the dirs, seth |
| [19:13:26] | janneg: | mkrufky: svn trunk supports mutiple recording dirs. no lvm needed |
| [19:13:29] | GreyFoxx: | |Torg|: Is it a DVD player or something you can connect to a PC ? |
| [19:13:40] | lose_the_grim: | Does a mythTv box with a DVD drive make a good DVD Player? |
| [19:13:43] | mkrufky: | janneg: ah, cool... thats new |
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| [19:13:45] | |Torg|: | no its a big carosel with a plaer inside |
| [19:13:52] | GreyFoxx: | lose_the_grim: I find it works well |
| [19:13:53] | |Torg|: | you connect it to the sorruind sound and the tv |
| [19:13:56] | |Torg|: | it is in fact my dvd player |
| [19:13:56] | GreyFoxx: | ahhh ok |
| [19:14:01] | GreyFoxx: | I use to have a 5 disk changer |
| [19:14:08] | janneg: | yes, committed this week |
| [19:14:12] | GreyFoxx: | but I'd rather a 100+ disk changing drive |
| [19:14:22] | |Torg|: | mines old, I paid someing obnoxius for it a few years back |
| [19:14:24] | mkrufky: | janneg: but i use lvm for the sake of speed — unfortunately i have a fake raid bios .. one of those sil controllers |
| [19:14:31] | Juski: | whee. burning dvds is so easy in umbongo |
| [19:14:50] | mkrufky: | janneg: any idea when that new feature will be pushed to a release version? |
| [19:15:08] | stuarta: | mkrufky: next new release |
| [19:15:13] | mkrufky: | hot |
| [19:15:13] | GreyFoxx: | exactly :) |
| [19:15:14] | mkrufky: | :-D |
| [19:15:18] | GreyFoxx: | whenever that is :) |
| [19:15:26] | janneg: | no, nothing heard about a new release date |
| [19:15:37] | Juski: | oh hell ffs don't start them off |
| [19:16:00] | Juski: | "by summer 2010" |
| [19:16:09] | mkrufky: | is there any plan to ad full TS support? |
| [19:16:09] | Juski: | :) |
| [19:16:17] | mkrufky: | s/ad/add |
| [19:16:28] | janneg: | and 70–80MB/s is fast enough for mythtv |
| [19:16:40] | Juski: | some clueless bints have assembled a bounty team which AFAIK is coming to nothing |
| [19:17:00] | Juski: | wow that sounded angry. sorry |
| [19:17:19] | mkrufky: | Juski: was that an answer to me? |
| [19:17:20] | stuarta: | i still can't be arsed implementing it |
| [19:17:24] | janneg: | and osp.fi offered to sponsor that feature |
| [19:17:29] | mkrufky: | ah, sounds like it |
| [19:17:32] | Juski: | mkrufky: yeah |
| [19:17:41] | Juski: | osp.fi ? |
| [19:17:46] | janneg: | I need only some free time |
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| [19:17:53] | mkrufky: | i think it would entail a LOT of work.... but it would totally revolutionize the market |
| [19:17:58] | ** stuarta lacks free time ** | |
| [19:17:59] | Juski: | yeah you just can't buy free time :) |
| [19:18:06] | mkrufky: | tell me about it |
| [19:18:14] | janneg: | Juski: http://osp.fi/main.php?lang=eng |
| [19:18:21] | ** stuarta yells die at his frontend ** | |
| [19:18:34] | GreyFoxx: | I'd love to be grabbing multiple channels from a single ts |
| [19:18:42] | GreyFoxx: | just not dvb at the moment :) |
| [19:18:48] | GreyFoxx: | s/not/no |
| [19:19:01] | Juski: | ahhh |
| [19:19:09] | Ediehow: | ok i am confused |
| [19:19:14] | Ediehow: | i got mytharchive almost completely working |
| [19:19:20] | Ediehow: | then it said in log cannot access /mnt/store.... |
| [19:19:28] | janneg: | but enough money can change priorities. I hope I have more time after christmas |
| [19:19:29] | Ediehow: | ihave everything in /myth/store, where is it reading /mnt/store from? |
| [19:19:34] | mkrufky: | imagine the idea of just keeping one frontend tuned to a frequency at all times... and simply start/stop recording a pid here and there |
| [19:19:34] | Ediehow: | not in mytharchive settings |
| [19:19:41] | Juski: | Ediehow: yes in mytharchive settings |
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| [19:20:10] | Ediehow: | Juski: the store thing is not there |
| [19:20:10] | Juski: | I wanna give mytharchive a good try out soon |
| [19:20:13] | Ediehow: | on temp and share dir |
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| [19:20:21] | elusis: | hey all |
| [19:20:34] | Ediehow: | i don't know where it's getting /mnt/store from |
| [19:20:52] | ** stuarta swears at valgrind ** | |
| [19:21:21] | |Torg|: | Ediehow fromt eh database |
| [19:21:29] | |Torg|: | you told it to store the vieo there |
| [19:21:35] | Ediehow: | in what setting? |
| [19:21:37] | Ediehow: | where do i change that |
| [19:21:37] | |Torg|: | or to be more precise, you never changed the default |
| [19:21:50] | |Torg|: | with mythtv-setup, its the BE settings |
| [19:21:58] | ** Juski warms up the cluebat ** | |
| [19:22:11] | Ediehow: | Juski: i never ran into this till mytharchive, so i didn't see it in mytharchive |
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| [19:22:47] | ** |Torg| hands Juski the clue-by-four ** | |
| [19:22:49] | Juski: | like a towel, a frood should always know where his recordings are |
| [19:22:52] | Ediehow: | nope, i did mythtv-setup and it has directory to hold recordings as /myth/store |
| [19:22:54] | Ediehow: | not /mnt/store |
| [19:23:08] | Juski: | bet you didnt restart mythbackend when you changed it |
| [19:23:10] | Ediehow: | mytharchive expected them in /mnt/store |
| [19:23:14] | Ediehow: | Juski: it's been that way for months |
| [19:23:18] | Ediehow: | in /myth/store |
| [19:23:22] | Ediehow: | all my stuff is stored there |
| [19:23:36] | Juski: | do ls /myth/store |
| [19:23:44] | Ediehow: | all my stuff is in there |
| [19:23:53] | Ediehow: | you don't want that in here |
| [19:24:03] | Ediehow: | mytharchive FOUND my recordings in /myth/store, apparently |
| [19:24:08] | Ediehow: | but when i tried to burn them, it looked to /mnt/store |
| [19:24:18] | Juski: | where is the temp dir set to? |
| [19:24:39] | Ediehow: | in mytharchive? |
| [19:25:14] | Ediehow: | /myth/tmp, it just bugged out earlier because i had not created /myth/tmp |
| [19:26:13] | Ediehow: | some setting somewhere is pointing to /mnt/store |
| [19:26:15] | Ediehow: | and i don't knwo what it is |
| [19:26:20] | Ediehow: | it didn't happen till right when i started |
| [19:26:36] | Ediehow: | Pre-processing file '1005_20060910190000.mpg' of type 'recording' |
| [19:26:36] | Ediehow: | ************************************************************ |
| [19:26:36] | Ediehow: | ERROR: Source file does not exist: /mnt/store/1005_20060910190000.mpg |
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| [19:27:23] | Pitr: | how do I tell mythtv-frontend to use another backend? |
| [19:27:28] | ** Pitr doesn't see config options or parameters ** | |
| [19:28:07] | |Torg|: | BackendServerIP, BackendServerPort , BackendStatusPort |
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| [19:38:19] | |Torg|: | mythweb found my videos on my FE, there is no setting in the DB other then the phone that points to the FE. Where does mythweb get its configuration from? |
| [19:38:32] | Ediehow: | Pre-processing file '1005_20060910190000.mpg' of type 'recording' |
| [19:38:33] | Ediehow: | ************************************************************ |
| [19:38:33] | Ediehow: | ERROR: Source file does not exist: /mnt/store/1005_20060910190000.mpg |
| [19:38:36] | Ediehow: | where is it getting /mnt from? |
| [19:39:03] | Pitr: | |Torg|: cool, thanks.. just found them using mysql client :) |
| [19:39:29] | Pitr: | and, argh. after days of trying, I finally have it running, only it tells me the server uses network protocol version 31, but this client only understands version 13. |
| [19:39:44] | Juski: | wow. another freenode echo. someone should tell somebody about that |
| [19:40:04] | Pitr: | does freenode still live? |
| [19:40:08] | |Torg|: | forget what I asked, I should just look at the PHP first :P |
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| [19:40:23] | Juski: | Pitr: no, we're only all logged in on its ghost |
| [19:40:33] | Pitr: | hey, you never know ;) |
| [19:40:33] | |Torg|: | no freenode is a ghost :P |
| [19:40:47] | |Torg|: | what I want to know is if freenode is registerd in texas, why isnt there a texas server |
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| [19:41:05] | Ediehow: | i don't get it, i just searched mythconverg for "mnt" and there are no references |
| [19:41:08] | seth|laptop: | hey filemanager uses java |
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| [19:41:26] | seth|laptop: | oops wrong winder |
| [19:41:33] | Juski: | Ediehow: I'm trying mytharchive now. it found my recordings where they live, funnily enough |
| [19:41:34] | Ediehow: | i don't get it, juski, where is it getting mnt from? |
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| [19:41:43] | Ediehow: | Juski: i said it found my recordings where they live |
| [19:41:48] | Juski: | I've no idea where it's getting it from |
| [19:41:48] | Pitr: | |Torg|: wasn't lilo from texas? |
| [19:41:59] | Ediehow: | it's onlywhen i start the process when it looks at /mnt |
| [19:42:04] | |Torg|: | I dont know lilo sorry |
| [19:42:12] | Juski: | Ediehow: I've started it |
| [19:42:18] | Pitr: | he was the freenode founder/admin, but died recently |
| [19:42:18] | Ediehow: | do you see the log? |
| [19:42:23] | |Torg|: | well other then the thing I use to load my linux boxen :) |
| [19:42:27] | Juski: | Ediehow: yes I see it |
| [19:42:33] | Pitr: | http://lilo.freenode.net/ |
| [19:42:39] | Ediehow: | well, i had changed my paths from /myth/store to /mnt/store a while back |
| [19:42:40] | Juski: | it's running ffmpeg on the first recording now |
| [19:42:43] | Ediehow: | err the other way around |
| [19:42:46] | Ediehow: | i don't know if that's why |
| [19:43:07] | Juski: | Ediehow: did you change them or just symilnk? |
| [19:43:07] | |Torg|: | oh Pitr I didn't know |
| [19:43:32] | Juski: | and furthermore Ediehow did you restart mythbackend after making the change? |
| [19:43:34] | Pitr: | do you know anything about mythtv versioning? :) |
| [19:43:41] | ** Pitr wonders why his backend is version 31, and frontend 13 ** | |
| [19:43:45] | Ediehow: | Juski: i did that change at least 4–5 months ago |
| [19:43:51] | |Torg|: | update your FE |
| [19:44:01] | Juski: | or your database will break |
| [19:44:05] | Juski: | muhahahaha |
| [19:44:19] | Pitr: | mm |
| [19:44:25] | Juski: | bastard |
| [19:44:30] | Juski: | mythtranscode failed |
| [19:44:44] | Juski: | pesky dvb recordings AGAIN!!! |
| [19:45:05] | Pitr: | oh fsck, I had warty's multiverse enabled in stead of edgy's :( |
| [19:45:09] | Juski: | maybe I need to change the transcode command |
| [19:45:31] | Ediehow: | i'm very confused |
| [19:45:36] | Pitr: | there should be st00pid-protection in ubuntu |
| [19:45:42] | Ediehow: | before it was under 4482 |
| [19:45:43] | ** Juski laughs ** | |
| [19:45:46] | Ediehow: | not t's at 5209 |
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| [19:46:46] | Juski: | well – seems no matter what I do I'll never be able to use mytharchive to archive dvb recordings without first fixing them with ffmpeg :( |
| [19:47:12] | Ediehow: | shoot, i don't know how to get it on one dvd now |
| [19:47:31] | Juski: | do you never read what's on screen in front of you? |
| [19:47:34] | stuarta: | ENOJACKDANIELS |
| [19:47:37] | Ediehow: | Juski: do you? |
| [19:47:43] | Ediehow: | i said earlier it had it below 4482 |
| [19:47:51] | Ediehow: | before i just symlinked /myth/store to /mnt/store |
| [19:48:08] | Ediehow: | so i went back in to mytharchive again, and nowit's at 5685mb when i do encoder profile "don't reencode" |
| [19:48:09] | Juski: | /ignore Ediehow |
| [19:48:11] | Juski: | fuck |
| [19:49:39] | ** stuarta hands Juski the foot mouth extraction tool ** | |
| [19:49:58] | Ediehow: | why ishe being such a jerk today? |
| [19:50:15] | stuarta: | he's not. he just gets grumpy |
| [19:50:22] | mkrufky: | i think it's because you're singling him out for questions, when really you can just ask the whole room or read a howto |
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| [19:50:32] | Juski: | exactly |
| [19:50:40] | Ediehow: | what i just talked about is not in the howto |
| [19:50:51] | Juski: | so why just ask me constantly? |
| [19:50:56] | Ediehow: | and the last 10 things i've said were not directed at him |
| [19:50:59] | mkrufky: | so just ask the room... dont direct the questions at a single person |
| [19:51:14] | fryfrog: | neat, there is a nagios raid status check :) |
| [19:51:15] | Ediehow: | i responded to his question about what i did 4–5 months ago |
| [19:51:21] | Ediehow: | and then i was talking about something else regarding file size |
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| [19:53:04] | Ediehow: | poopie, yeah, the three files together definitely exceed 4.8gb |
| [19:53:28] | Ediehow: | oh i see |
| [19:53:37] | Ediehow: | encoder profile is specific to each show |
| [19:53:41] | Ediehow: | no wonder |
| [19:55:36] | Ediehow: | it's a 3 part documentary. it looks like i'll have to do the first part on EP, and the second two i don't have to reencode. should i do it anyway for the sake of everything looking the same? |
| [19:57:44] | Ediehow: | well, off it goes. |
| [19:57:46] | Ediehow: | thx |
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| [20:10:09] | Juski: | ahhh.. if I re-encode the files it seems to work. so avoiding mythtranscode :) |
| [20:10:33] | Juski: | nope. it still runs it, but this time it works |
| [20:10:40] | Juski: | pfft |
| [20:11:22] | ** Pitr prods mythtv-frontend ** | |
| [20:11:33] | Pitr: | running mythtv-setup through ssh-x is not recommended ;) |
| [20:11:39] | Ediehow: | hmm, so, if /mnt/ is nowhere in my mythconverg db, where else might it be stored? |
| [20:11:55] | Pitr: | 132 MB and growing |
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| [20:14:48] | Vlet: | Does the 'generic video player module' in myth support browsing through directories, or does it expect all media to be in one directory? |
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| [20:21:07] | GreyFoxx: | Vlet: You can browse |
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| [20:22:11] | Vlet: | GreyFoxx: excellent! Just starting to look into myth. |
| [20:22:57] | xris: | Vlet: browse two different ways, even |
| [20:23:03] | seth|laptop: | ok, so I went through the mythtv.org wiki, and I couldn't find in there how to make my improted Firefly DVD;s show up in the Recorded Shows menu, as if they were tv recordings. Any guidance or links |
| [20:23:05] | seth|laptop: | ?? |
| [20:23:33] | xris: | seth|laptop: use mythvideo |
| [20:23:44] | Dibblah: | Bah. New SVN of mythweb requires a different USE flag on Gentoo. |
| [20:23:57] | Dibblah: | Seriously, who on earth _disables_ POSIX by default? |
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| [20:24:13] | xris: | Dibblah: huh? |
| [20:24:27] | xris: | nothing in mythweb has changed that drastically |
| [20:24:29] | Dibblah: | xris: Call to undefined function posix getpwuid() |
| [20:25:02] | |Torg|: | thats a perl function |
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| [20:25:31] | seth|laptop: | xris: I do use mythvideo, but it is easier to see the firefly shows in the format "Show Title" and then "Episode" as I do in my mythtv recordings. Just wondered how I can move them over there |
| [20:25:35] | Dibblah: | Indeed it is. |
| [20:25:44] | |Torg|: | hmm seems it was ported to php too, sorry |
| [20:25:49] | |Torg|: | http://www.php.net/manual/hk/function.posix-getpwuid.php |
| [20:26:01] | xris: | Dibblah: that's been there for a long time |
| [20:26:21] | xris: | wait, maybe not. maybe that's something Captain_Murdoch added |
| [20:26:31] | |Torg|: | Dibblah id check your php libs install, its default since version 3 |
| [20:26:41] | Dibblah: | Nothing to worry about. |
| [20:26:59] | Dibblah: | |Torg|: This is Gentoo. Nothing unless you specify it. |
| [20:27:24] | Dibblah: | I wouldn't go as far as to saying That's A Dumb Plan. |
| [20:27:29] | Dibblah: | Oh. Yes, I would. |
| [20:28:53] | seth|laptop: | I wonder if I link it with ln -s firefly – episode /myth/pretty |
| [20:29:09] | Dibblah: | Gentoo. Because Processors Just Don't Have Enough To Do. |
| [20:29:46] | Dibblah: | No offense intented to anyone that likes Gentoo, of course. |
| [20:29:56] | |Torg|: | on debian the package is called php-cli well php4-cli for mine, do you have it installed? |
| [20:30:11] | Dibblah: | |Torg|: I have a solution. |
| [20:30:37] | Dibblah: | Re-emerge with USE="mysql posix apache2" |
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| [20:31:09] | Dibblah: | Thanks for the offer of assistance, though :) |
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| [20:31:33] | Chicago: | Dibblah: Why do you recommend apache2? |
| [20:31:35] | |Torg|: | maybe you dont have the apache2 php libs installed right, I duuno but it a php thing not an mysql or apache |
| [20:31:40] | |Torg|: | im glad you figured it out tho |
| [20:32:20] | |Torg|: | Chicago I don't, Dibblah aparently is using it |
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| [20:32:47] | Dibblah: | |Torg|: The problem is, since I was missing the posix USE flag, PHP was compiled without POSIX support. |
| [20:33:10] | Dibblah: | apache2 is there because I have apache2 installed, not from a real choice :) |
| [20:33:47] | |Torg|: | ahh ok you compiled your own php, god damn need to run it on windows |
| [20:34:02] | Dibblah: | Ummm... This is Gentoo. |
| [20:34:08] | |Torg|: | persoannly I think it shoul include posix by default and if you run it on windows complain its not there |
| [20:34:12] | Dibblah: | So yes, I compiled my own everything. |
| [20:34:25] | Chicago: | Dibblah: It is easy enough on gentoo to switch to apache1... if you want to.... in your /etc/portage/package.mask... add >=net-www/apache-2 >=www-apache/mod_perl-2 |
| [20:34:32] | |Torg|: | no no the "option" to not include it is so you can run it on non posix computers (read dos and windows) |
| [20:34:46] | |Torg|: | Gentoo, from linux is posix (well mostly) compliant |
| [20:35:13] | Dibblah: | Of course it's POSIX compliant. |
| [20:35:25] | Dibblah: | Don't you read your kernel boot messages? ;) |
| [20:36:44] | |Torg|: | I dont need to read them to know its compliant |
| [20:37:32] | Dibblah: | Hmmm... That's good, since apparently I don't read my kernel boot messages. |
| [20:37:59] | Dibblah: | ... That message was removed in 2004 :) |
| [20:38:24] | Pitr: | woohoo.. I have my first mythtv recording o/ |
| [20:38:35] | Pitr: | watching a currently-being-recorded stream on windows |
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| [20:39:55] | |Torg|: | mostly POSIX tho is like UNIX |
| [20:40:03] | |Torg|: | its not really a thing, not anymore at least |
| [20:41:10] | Dibblah: | Eh? It's a documented standard with a test suite? |
| [20:41:26] | |Torg|: | yes microsfot is certified POSIX complient |
| [20:41:34] | |Torg|: | the only Unix out there is Solaris |
| [20:41:39] | |Torg|: | sound a bit flaky? |
| [20:41:59] | |Torg|: | thats becase the IEEE standards were changes so those OSs fit |
| [20:42:22] | |Torg|: | its like callign an elephant a bird, but since it cant fly and dosnt have feather we change the defeinition of a bird |
| [20:42:30] | |Torg|: | so yes, NT is posix complient...yea right |
| [20:43:02] | Dibblah: | NT is letter-of-the-law posix compliant, to the minimum required baseline. |
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| [20:43:43] | Dibblah: | Anyway, this is sorta off-topic. Apologies :) |
| [20:44:00] | Dibblah: | xris: Apart from that hickup, the upgrade went fine. |
| [20:44:25] | |Torg|: | right, if you want POSIX just get teh minum standrad. To me if you posix you gota have posix threadding, run sed/awk/grep/vi and have basic io devices |
| [20:44:36] | |Torg|: | so tell me is NT POSIX? |
| [20:44:40] | Pitr: | how do I link a tv guide channel to the real detected channel? which tools does this ? |
| [20:45:09] | Pitr: | it detects channels, but labels it 'E5/SE9/24' |
| [20:45:12] | Pitr: | or things like that |
| [20:46:40] | Dibblah: | Pitr: Are you using tv_grab_* or DataDirect? |
| [20:47:18] | Dibblah: | |Torg|: If you're interested, read http://www.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de/mensch . . . unix2nt.html |
| [20:47:41] | Dibblah: | It's not so much that POSIX has been warped, more that POSIX.1 was useless. |
| [20:47:49] | Pitr: | Dibblah: I think tv_gran_nl |
| [20:47:52] | Pitr: | grab! |
| [20:48:29] | |Torg|: | The Resource Kit can be purchased from Microsoft (US$149 before May 31, 1995, $199 after), Software Spectrum (US 800-824–3323 US$84, Canada 800-624–6224 CDN$118 , part number M24265). |
| [20:48:36] | |Torg|: | gee and linux cds are free |
| [20:49:01] | Pitr: | http://mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/atta . . . _DenHaag.obj |
| [20:49:06] | Pitr: | this file matches with lots of the channels |
| [20:49:09] | Pitr: | how do I use such a file ? |
| [20:49:36] | |Torg|: | I know how to make NT POSIX, pop in a solaris x86 or linux boot disk |
| [20:51:31] | Dibblah: | Pitr: That doesn't help you. |
| [20:51:57] | Pitr: | it will, if I script it myself |
| [20:52:04] | Pitr: | but it doesn't look like a standard format, does it ? |
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| [20:52:24] | Pitr: | that 'myth' column matches |
| [20:52:31] | Dibblah: | Looks like a tab-delimited file to me... |
| [20:52:40] | Pitr: | yeah, so i'll perl it into mysql, right? |
| [20:53:00] | Dibblah: | Yeah, I guess. |
| [20:53:07] | Pitr: | easy |
| [20:54:01] | ** stuarta feels better. ** | |
| [20:54:10] | stuarta: | just bought myself a new router |
| [20:54:16] | Dibblah: | However, unless you're in exactly the same region as that poster, it will not work. |
| [20:54:23] | |Torg|: | what kind stuarta ?' |
| [20:54:38] | stuarta: | draytek 2800vg |
| [20:55:04] | stuarta: | sick of this pos netgear losing sync and not noticing |
| [20:55:08] | Dibblah: | stuarta: Heh. I went for the fun option and am now running my firewall under Xen :) |
| [20:55:11] | Juski: | seth|laptop: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Frequent . . . into_Myth.3F |
| [20:55:19] | stuarta: | plus, need a router for the GF's house :) |
| [20:55:33] | stuarta: | Dibblah: if I could get xen to run on my box i'd be happy. |
| [20:55:34] | Juski: | told ya it was in the wikiwikiwoowah |
| [20:55:43] | Dibblah: | 3.0.3 is easy. |
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| [20:55:53] | |Torg|: | did you voip them together? |
| [20:56:29] | stuarta: | who me? won't get it till nxt week |
| [20:56:44] | |Torg|: | ahh, no I was looking at its specs |
| [20:57:07] | stuarta: | well we have an asterix server at work.. :) |
| [20:57:38] | Pitr: | Dibblah: i'm close to there, with the same provider |
| [20:57:38] | Pitr: | perl -we 'while(<>){ /^(.+?)s+[d-+]+s+d+s+([wd]+)s+([d-])$/ && do {print "UPDATE channel set name=\"$1\" where channum = $2; "} }'; |
| [20:57:41] | |Torg|: | oh that would be nice, port my work phone to my house....NOT |
| [20:58:30] | |Torg|: | I intentialy leave my VM at work and check it about once a month. If you left me a message on my work phone you dont know who I am. Everyone I work with knows my cell |
| [20:58:39] | Dibblah: | Pitr: Good luck :) |
| [20:58:41] | Juski: | hoo-ha! that's some regex-fu going on there |
| [20:58:45] | |Torg|: | so if you leave a VM at work your cloobie and I dont wnt to talk to you anyway :P |
| [20:59:05] | stuarta: | what's it supposed to achieve? (all that perl-fu) |
| [21:00:16] | Juski: | oof.. load average: 2.88, 2.83, 2.80. I need a faster backend |
| [21:00:23] | Pitr: | Dibblah: bug.. while(<>){ /^(.+?)s+[d-+]+s+[d-+]+s+([wd]+)s+([d-]+)$/ :) |
| [21:00:35] | Juski: | I think I can forget about mytharchive for the time being |
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| [21:01:06] | Juski: | EFASTERTOBUYAREALDVDOFTHESHOWS |
| [21:01:48] | Pitr: | woohoo, all 100% hits :) |
| [21:02:02] | Dibblah: | %SYS-E-UNKNOWNREFERENCE% |
| [21:02:04] | janneg: | phew: load average: 4.25, 5.60, 5.29 and it's working fine |
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| [21:02:38] | Juski: | hm. apparently they call this (http://images.digitalspy.co.uk/terrestrial/li . . . n-guide.jpg) a user interface |
| [21:04:01] | opello: | even if they can't control a cursor on the screen it could be an interface... to the data? |
| [21:04:21] | janneg: | clumsy |
| [21:05:39] | Pitr: | http://www.pitr.net/index.php/2006/12/01/myth . . . denden-haag/ |
| [21:06:49] | Dibblah: | That's nothing. Try a AJAX application that only runs on IE. To do bus route calculations for passengers. That _requires_ as input both a start and end stop. |
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| [21:07:36] | Dibblah: | Got the stop on the wrong side of the road? No problem! We'll take you all the way into town and back out again. |
| [21:07:54] | Juski: | Pitr: could you pop that into the official wiki too? folks aren't too good at finding info hidden on the outer reaches of the interweb ;) |
| [21:08:20] | Pitr: | juski, sure.. what's the official wiki? |
| [21:08:25] | ** Pitr relies on google heavily ;-) ** | |
| [21:08:43] | Juski: | wiki.mythtv.org will get you there |
| [21:09:55] | ** Pitr checks structure ** | |
| [21:10:08] | lotia: | folks if i'm using datadirect for program guide data do i need to create another lineup for the HD channels or does putting in the xmltv id in the channel editor get the job done. |
| [21:10:38] | Pitr: | Login required to edit |
| [21:10:45] | Juski: | so sign up :) |
| [21:11:24] | Pitr: | point there ;) |
| [21:12:16] | Juski: | is it just me or is the most heavily edited page the wishlist? them folks put the 'use' into 'users' |
| [21:12:24] | Pitr: | hehehe |
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| [21:18:32] | |Torg|: | who maintains the datadirect builtin? |
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| [21:36:31] | ** elusis wonders how manys gurus are in here this afternoon... ** | |
| [21:38:20] | Juski: | there are GURUS?! |
| [21:38:52] | ** stuarta has an MA(drinking) (unofficial) ** | |
| [21:39:29] | ** stuarta lobs Juski a beer ** | |
| [21:39:32] | Juski: | no drinkies for me tonight :( |
| [21:39:43] | Juski: | well maybe just the one won't hurt :) |
| [21:39:50] | Juski: | being taxi later |
| [21:40:00] | stuarta: | wifey out with the girls? |
| [21:40:47] | Juski: | xmas party. no parters allowed. damn spinsters should never be allowed to arrange works parties |
| [21:41:02] | stuarta: | ENOFUN! |
| [21:41:19] | stuarta: | i have to wait till Jan for my Christmas party... |
| [21:41:30] | Juski: | and my works bash is 40 miles from home, so I'm not going |
| [21:41:54] | stuarta: | round the corner from the other bosses place? |
| [21:42:03] | Juski: | funnily enough, yeah |
| [21:42:20] | ** stuarta suspects nepotism ** | |
| [21:42:45] | Juski: | looking on the bright side – at least I won't have to endure a chairman's speech again :) |
| [21:43:02] | Juski: | chairman of the company was Rover's non-exec director. |
| [21:43:12] | stuarta: | oh well, having a crap movie, Jack D & pizza evening... |
| [21:43:16] | ** seth|laptop never thought he'd see "funnily" and "nepotism" that close together, hehe ** | |
| [21:43:35] | Juski: | whee mytharchive is onto the 2nd show |
| [21:43:47] | stuarta: | it gets a bit boring after a while. |
| [21:43:52] | Juski: | only started it 90 mins ago |
| [21:44:08] | stuarta: | might just buy another 300Gb and use more mytharchive. |
| [21:44:13] | stuarta: | mythvideo even |
| [21:44:24] | Juski: | aye I need more hdd |
| [21:44:46] | Juski: | might get myself a 750GB model from the works cupboard as a nice 'xmas bonus' |
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| [21:45:04] | stuarta: | soon be building a fe/be for the GF's place... |
| [21:45:04] | ** seth|laptop is gonna test importing a dvd tonight, see if it actually works or says 0:0:16:46 of 64578:93:23 ** | |
| [21:45:05] | Juski: | whoops. did I just say that in a logged channel? denied! |
| [21:45:17] | mkrufky: | you were joking of course |
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| [21:45:28] | mkrufky: | ...cuz you're really going to mail 4 of those to me |
| [21:46:04] | stuarta: | me me me me! |
| [21:46:05] | Juski: | the irony is I could prolly make all the disks at work vanish but I can't afford a decent raid controller |
| [21:46:59] | Juski: | there's a guy at work selling our own HDDs on ebay, preloaded with software. that's just silly |
| [21:47:12] | |Torg|: | disks for me arnt a problem (well except there FC disks) its the part you put it in that is |
| [21:47:14] | stuarta: | that's asking for trouble... |
| [21:47:21] | Pitr: | eh.. trouble galore |
| [21:47:24] | Pitr: | what was on those disks? |
| [21:47:31] | ** stuarta watches some tarantino ** | |
| [21:47:46] | Juski: | just the software – so anyone could pop one into one of our dvrs – cheap hdd expansion |
| [21:48:07] | |Torg|: | give us a link |
| [21:48:18] | stuarta: | that would be telling |
| [21:48:40] | Juski: | I'm not saying where I work because somebody might put 2 & 2 together about the disparaging comments I make about my workplace ;) |
| [21:48:53] | stuarta: | damn arse spammers are busy tonight.... |
| [21:49:23] | stuarta: | but they aren't getting through :) |
| [21:49:25] | ** |Torg| wouldnt know, spamassissin works its ass off ** | |
| [21:49:52] | stuarta: | i've moved to dspam |
| [21:49:59] | stuarta: | greylisting is most effective |
| [21:50:13] | |Torg|: | im mostly intersted in "takes less cpu" |
| [21:50:18] | Juski: | I'm still taken aback by gmail filtering that user's private email support request as spam |
| [21:50:38] | stuarta: | dspam uses about 25x less cpu than spamassassin |
| [21:50:47] | stuarta: | 0.2 sec vs 11secs |
| [21:51:11] | |Torg|: | load average: 9.19, 8.51, 8.86 <--my poor mail server |
| [21:51:18] | Juski: | I might have to take a look at software raid one of these days. get a bunch of firewire enclosures & see if I can get me a nice big array that-away |
| [21:51:19] | stuarta: | once trained, catches even those pesky image spams |
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| [21:52:33] | stuarta: | during training, suggest continue using spamassassin, but after a while you can drop SA. |
| [21:52:45] | Juski: | ooo suddenly I remember about the 6 bay SCSI RAID work were throwing out but we ended up keeping in our lab |
| [21:53:16] | stuarta: | if it's been thrown out it doesn't exist... |
| [21:53:17] | |Torg|: | hell im still looking for people thorowing at A1000 arrays |
| [21:53:24] | Juski: | scsi cards are cheeeeep |
| [21:53:39] | antiPo5ix: | simple question: (juski listen up :) ) I transcode video to mpeg4 and audio to mp3. The files are nuv(which I realize is nupplevideo). Is there anyway I can make make file.nuv file.avi so my divx player can play it? nuvexport seems to want to re-encode my video |
| [21:53:45] | seth|laptop: | my buddy just sold me an A5200 with 7 36G drives for $50 |
| [21:53:45] | Juski: | and let's face it I don't exactly need uberbandwidth |
| [21:53:55] | |Torg|: | id build a PC with sotware and target drivers, but the heat is too damn much |
| [21:53:57] | Juski: | antiPo5ix: nuvexport |
| [21:54:16] | fysa: | too bad the drives are too expensive :P |
| [21:54:20] | stuarta: | what's with everyone asking direct questions to Juski tonight? |
| [21:54:36] | stuarta: | poor Juski |
| [21:54:41] | |Torg|: | id love a 5200 |
| [21:54:41] | Juski: | I think I've been mistaken for some kind of guru |
| [21:54:47] | Juski: | or somebody who gives a fuck |
| [21:54:50] | Juski: | ;) |
| [21:54:51] | stuarta: | hehe |
| [21:55:01] | |Torg|: | Juski, why does everyone ask you questions directly :P |
| [21:55:04] | fysa: | Juski just has the disposition of one that's been asked too many questions, thus everyone thinks he actually knows something. |
| [21:55:06] | fysa: | :P |
| [21:55:07] | seth|laptop: | I need to acquire 7 more drives, although now it would make a nice 100GB raid 5 |
| [21:55:20] | stuarta: | well he does, but..... |
| [21:55:20] | ** Juski laughs ** | |
| [21:55:23] | Juski: | as much as that? |
| [21:55:23] | mkrufky: | Juski: how are you doing today? |
| [21:55:26] | antiPo5ix: | if it wasnt for Juski, I would be about 3 weeks behind where I currently am with my MythTV setup! |
| [21:55:33] | ** mkrufky thought he would direct a personal question ** | |
| [21:55:33] | |Torg|: | I got some 36G scsi drives, wont help the 5200 tho |
| [21:55:46] | Juski: | if it wasn't for me hanging around in here so much I might get a hell of a lot more done! |
| [21:55:51] | ** antiPo5ix kisses ass and gets results :) ** | |
| [21:55:56] | mkrufky: | LOL |
| [21:56:03] | |Torg|: | Juski is a slacker :P |
| [21:56:12] | Juski: | yeah but what can you do? |
| [21:56:16] | ** stuarta goes for 1.25x ** | |
| [21:56:17] | seth|laptop: | If it wasn't for Juski, I would be running MCE |
| [21:56:21] | |Torg|: | call you names aparently |
| [21:56:22] | seth|laptop: | j/k |
| [21:56:28] | stuarta: | eek |
| [21:56:34] | mkrufky: | arent we all slackers? otherwise we'd be working on mythtv code / dvb device drivers instead of chatting? |
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| [21:56:39] | antiPo5ix: | seth|laptop: I guess I owe you some too |
| [21:56:44] | Juski: | if it wasn't for MCE being so shite, I'd be running MCE |
| [21:56:45] | stuarta: | i'm on a night off |
| [21:56:54] | |Torg|: | I know im a slacker, im at work right now....yea right |
| [21:57:05] | antiPo5ix: | stuarta: you're always here, but never really give much assistance ;) |
| [21:57:07] | mkrufky: | |Torg|: you're not the only one :-P |
| [21:57:14] | stuarta: | hey i'm busy |
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| [21:57:24] | elusis: | i'm a slacker that loves what mythtv does for me although i need to do more configing on it |
| [21:57:25] | antiPo5ix: | why do I always forget to log off antuPosix...errr |
| [21:57:30] | antiPo5ix: | antiPosix that is |
| [21:57:42] | stuarta: | if i get time, i try and fix things.... |
| [21:57:43] | Juski: | the only expectation I have of folks who come here with problems is that they do some of their own research & show signs they've at least tried |
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| [21:57:51] | seth|laptop: | well, time to leave work, see you al later |
| [21:57:57] | Juski: | laters, seth|laptop |
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| [21:58:25] | mkrufky: | antiPo5ix: you can use the nickserv RECOVER command |
| [21:58:38] | mkrufky: | oh, u cant — you're not registered |
| [21:58:44] | Juski: | heh |
| [21:59:04] | |Torg|: | how long does it take for registrtions in nickserv to expire? |
| [21:59:22] | mkrufky: | i never stayed away long enough to find out |
| [21:59:23] | stuarta: | 1–2 months?? |
| [21:59:41] | Juski: | when is somebody gonna design a dvd case that lets you remove a disc without breaking the release thingy? |
| [21:59:41] | elusis: | Juski, i've been reading all sorts of wiki's and man pages |
| [21:59:41] | Juski: | ! |
| [21:59:42] | |Torg|: | no at least 6 months |
| [21:59:49] | |Torg|: | I dont know how long its locked tho |
| [22:00:32] | mkrufky: | Juski: maybe you should change your nick, lol |
| [22:00:55] | stuarta: | then who would everyone ask??? |
| [22:00:55] | Juski is now known as ClueBatUser | |
| [22:01:07] | ClueBatUser is now known as Juski | |
| [22:01:09] | mkrufky: | stuarta: i think you're next in line |
| [22:01:23] | stuarta is now known as fred_basset | |
| [22:01:28] | Juski: | I've thought about changing nicks several times, to disappear |
| [22:01:30] | |Torg|: | there is a queue? |
| [22:01:33] | fred_basset is now known as stuarta | |
| [22:01:36] | Juski: | take a ticket |
| [22:01:44] | mkrufky: | this one works quite well |
| [22:01:47] | mkrufky is now known as mkrufky-gone | |
| [22:01:58] | ** |Torg| takes ticket #7,000,001 ** | |
| [22:01:59] | mkrufky-gone is now known as mkrufky | |
| [22:02:01] | antiPo5ix: | does anyone in here belong to the lircusers mailing list |
| [22:02:07] | mkrufky: | see nobody talks to you when you're "gone" |
| [22:02:09] | Juski: | nope |
| [22:02:13] | Juski: | lol |
| [22:02:45] | antiPo5ix: | nuvexport and sooooo hard to use, it wants to re-encode my video so bad |
| [22:02:57] | antiPo5ix: | I need nuvunwrap |
| [22:02:58] | Juski: | nuvexport? hard to use? what?! |
| [22:03:21] | Juski: | antiPo5ix: nuppelvideo != divx or xvid, hence the need to re-encode |
| [22:03:23] | xris: | antiPo5ix: what are you trying to do? |
| [22:03:25] | Juski: | yah boo sucks etc |
| [22:03:28] | stuarta: | nuvunwrap??? sounds like nudity is involved. |
| [22:03:45] | xris: | Juski: it *is* divx, actually.. just not in an avi container |
| [22:04:00] | antiPo5ix: | the video is mpeg4/mp3 why cant my divx/mpeg4 appliance play it |
| [22:04:01] | Juski: | is it? |
| [22:04:03] | antiPo5ix: | whats to export! |
| [22:04:06] | Juski: | I didn't know that :) |
| [22:04:16] | xris: | antiPo5ix: because of AV sync issues |
| [22:04:25] | Juski: | antiPo5ix: cos it's not in the AVI container I guess |
| [22:04:28] | xris: | and that avi doesn't support anamorphic display |
| [22:04:41] | xris: | antiPo5ix: nuv supports per-frame sync commands, which avi does not. |
| [22:04:52] | xris: | if you just changed containers, your AV would fall out of sync |
| [22:04:54] | ** antiPo5ix is dizzy ** | |
| [22:05:12] | antiPo5ix: | I use mencoder to rip DVD's for my Philips 642 DIVX player |
| [22:05:12] | xris: | and if you recorded at 720x480 or 480x480, your avi files would look all stretched. |
| [22:05:32] | antiPo5ix: | I am trying to get it to play my nuv files |
| [22:05:34] | Juski: | just erm.. get another frontend :) |
| [22:05:41] | xris: | antiPo5ix: and it can't . it only understands avi |
| [22:05:56] | antiPo5ix: | xris: I understand that, it needs an avi container |
| [22:06:02] | Juski: | there could be an opening for the likes of Kiss to make mythtv compatible players |
| [22:06:07] | Juski: | if they bothered... |
| [22:06:28] | xris: | and I'm saying that the way that myth records video into nuv won't let you easily convert to avi without incurring AV sync issues. |
| [22:06:31] | Juski: | and their network player could even learn to speak UPnP.. if they bothered.. problem solved :) |
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| [22:06:43] | xris: | if it was a simple fix, mythtv would just record in avi in the first place. |
| [22:07:01] | Juski: | antiPo5ix: so really nuvexport has to take the stream apart & re-encode it as an avi |
| [22:07:17] | antiPo5ix: | re-encode it using mpeg4 codec correct? |
| [22:07:20] | xris: | antiPo5ix: plus the anamorphic/resolution issues. avi only supports square pixels |
| [22:07:25] | xris: | antiPo5ix: if you choose, yes. |
| [22:07:26] | antiPo5ix: | if it uses a lossless codec I will be dealing wioth a huge file |
| [22:07:45] | xris: | antiPo5ix: have you even looked at nuvexport? |
| [22:08:20] | antiPo5ix: | xris: not much, not until I figured out if it was possible to get an avi out of a nuv |
| [22:08:30] | antiPo5ix: | but it seems impossible without reencoding |
| [22:08:33] | xris: | it exports into about a dozen formats |
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| [22:08:37] | Juski: | oh crap. mytharchive is using up all my hdd space on /tmp |
| [22:08:59] | Juski: | I knew I shoulda made / only 5GB |
| [22:09:02] | antiPo5ix: | Juski: your using LVM? |
| [22:09:07] | xris: | there was brief, but incomplete work on an nuv2avi program, but work stopped on it when the author got married and disappeared. |
| [22:09:08] | Juski: | no idea |
| [22:09:13] | Juski: | whatever bunty uses |
| [22:09:20] | xris: | and once most people ended up with hardware recorders. |
| [22:10:15] | antiPo5ix: | it seems odd, mythtv says I am transcoding to mpeg4, yet I cannot easily play the end result on my mpeg4 player(actually I have 5 mpeg4 appliances) |
| [22:10:47] | Juski: | shit. I need to move /tmp to /hda3 from /hda1 |
| [22:11:00] | Juski: | my home dir has over 100GB free |
| [22:11:01] | xris: | antiPo5ix: difference between video condec and container format |
| [22:11:05] | xris: | codec, that is |
| [22:11:17] | xris: | you'd probably have the same problem with mpeg4 inside of an ogg container |
| [22:11:18] | Juski: | stupid place to mount yer biggest free space, IMHO |
| [22:11:37] | xris: | and probably even an mp4 container for some players. |
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| [22:13:31] | Juski: | hrm. I need to re-orgy-nice my mounts I fink |
| [22:13:44] | antiPo5ix: | so the best thing for me is to not transcode, and let nuvexport shrink my files for me before I archive them to CD |
| [22:13:46] | xris: | Juski: btw, did you see janneg's patches for the cutlist spacer alignment |
| [22:13:54] | Juski: | yeah I did xris |
| [22:13:58] | xris: | antiPo5ix: if you're recording in mpeg, yes. |
| [22:14:28] | xris: | better to just cut out commercials with the lossless encoder and then use nuvexport directly on those (before or after lossless, since nuvexport can deal with cutlists) |
| [22:15:06] | xris: | Juski: how does it work for you and blootube? |
| [22:15:16] | Juski: | xris: I've not built it yet |
| [22:15:30] | xris: | ah. well, if you have updated blootube images, I can test them out when I get home today |
| [22:15:39] | Juski: | I do, as a matter of fact |
| [22:15:55] | Juski: | I'll pop the tarball on my webspace |
| [22:16:00] | xris: | ok, cool |
| [22:17:35] | Juski: | where the hell did firefox put em?! |
| [22:17:37] | Juski: | grrr |
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| [22:18:57] | Juski: | http://homepage.ntlworld.com/justin.hornsby2/ . . . e-osd.tar.gz :) |
| [22:20:14] | xris: | done, thx |
| [22:20:53] | xris: | I'll try it out tonight and let you know. |
| [22:21:07] | xris: | the patch wasn't a 100% fix for me, but it was certainly better. |
| [22:21:25] | Juski: | wonder if it copes with aspect changes now too |
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| [22:22:33] | ajhtiredwolf: | heya |
| [22:22:34] | AndyCap: | ajhtiredwolf: hello. ;) |
| [22:23:04] | ajhtiredwolf: | i haveth a problem with my myth tv :(, for some odd reason the audio doesnt sink up with the video, and when I try and record things, i get no audio on the recording |
| [22:23:54] | Juski: | try reading the 'troubleshooting audio' section of the mythtv doc pages |
| [22:24:32] | Juski: | unmute the line input on the playback side (or whatever input your tv tuner audio is plugged into) and select that channel to be recorded in the linux mixer :) |
| [22:25:36] | ajhtiredwolf: | hmm |
| [22:25:45] | ajhtiredwolf: | i think someone actually suggested that before |
| [22:25:52] | Juski: | it should work |
| [22:25:54] | ajhtiredwolf: | yeah |
| [22:25:57] | ajhtiredwolf: | but the thing is |
| [22:26:01] | Juski: | if mythtv is set to use the right audio device |
| [22:26:04] | ajhtiredwolf: | im using kmix, and we couldnt really find that optin |
| [22:26:06] | ajhtiredwolf: | option* |
| [22:26:32] | Juski: | you sometimes have to edit the preferences in the linux mixer to show you all the channels |
| [22:26:54] | ajhtiredwolf: | its set on show all |
| [22:27:14] | Juski: | oh something I didn't have time to rant about today – was channel hopping on the radio as I drove to work today.. Xmas musak already!!!!! |
| [22:27:17] | ajhtiredwolf: | as far as options go |
| [22:27:29] | ajhtiredwolf: | it has output, input and switches |
| [22:27:45] | ajhtiredwolf: | on the input sidfe it has a line 2 option, but no line 1 option |
| [22:27:59] | ajhtiredwolf: | now when i go to output, if i ever want to mute the tv i justh ave to mute line one |
| [22:28:03] | ajhtiredwolf: | so i know that it is goign thorugh line on |
| [22:28:04] | Juski: | welcome to alsa hell my friend |
| [22:28:04] | ajhtiredwolf: | e |
| [22:28:17] | Juski: | close kmix & try alsamixer |
| [22:28:40] | ajhtiredwolf: | k tis opened |
| [22:28:46] | ajhtiredwolf: | and it opened within the konsole |
| [22:29:37] | ajhtiredwolf: | i should also probably mention that i am using an audigy 2 card |
| [22:29:46] | Juski: | you shouldn't |
| [22:29:54] | Juski: | it'd make me suggest giving up all hope :-P |
| [22:30:18] | ajhtiredwolf: | ah come on now i have several friends who have an audigy 2 and never had this problem :-P |
| [22:30:19] | Juski: | I once helped a friend get theirs to work in windows.. never again, not ever |
| [22:30:22] | ajhtiredwolf: | and have myth tv working fine |
| [22:30:33] | |Torg|: | ajhtiredwolf what does aplay -l say? |
| [22:30:38] | ajhtiredwolf: | in windows ive never had a single audigy 2 problem :-P |
| [22:30:39] | Juski: | are they using a different distro to you? |
| [22:30:41] | ajhtiredwolf: | they had a bad card |
| [22:30:49] | Juski: | oh it worked eventually |
| [22:31:09] | ajhtiredwolf: | |Torg|, quite allot |
| [22:31:13] | ajhtiredwolf: | do you want a paste bin of it |Torg| ? |
| [22:31:18] | |Torg|: | -l shouldnt -L should |
| [22:31:21] | |Torg|: | yes, both |
| [22:32:07] | ajhtiredwolf: | |Torg|, http://pastebin.ca/263903 |
| [22:32:08] | |Torg|: | what I want to know is what device -l is and what you are connecting speakers/decoder to |
| [22:32:18] | |Torg|: | and what -L says is !default and how its built |
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| [22:32:44] | ajhtiredwolf: | theres quite allot of info in that paste bin |
| [22:32:44] | |Torg|: | first off what are you trying to use as the output of teh card, and what is it connected to? |
| [22:32:46] | ajhtiredwolf: | from -l alone |
| [22:33:25] | ajhtiredwolf: | i dont remember the name of the tv tuner... mmm il get that, but anyway, it is looped through the audigy 2 card throug the input on the AUDIGY 2 |
| [22:34:03] | |Torg|: | ok ajhtiredwolf do you see the line "default 'cards.pcm.default'" |
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| [22:34:47] | ajhtiredwolf: | i see defaults.pcm.device' |
| [22:35:16] | ajhtiredwolf: | ahh there it is |
| [22:35:18] | ajhtiredwolf: | nm yes i see it |
| [22:35:23] | |Torg|: | do you notive your efault device is set to the loop back to itself? |
| [22:35:29] | |Torg|: | what you need is an asound.conf for that |
| [22:35:55] | ajhtiredwolf: | alright, so how do i do that? |
| [22:35:56] | |Torg|: | what plug on the back do you connect to your speakers/auio input of the tv/audio input of the decoder? |
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| [22:37:34] | ajhtiredwolf: | it is plugged into "out" on the tv tuner, and on the audigy 2, it isnt labeled |
| [22:37:36] | ajhtiredwolf: | so one sec |
| [22:37:39] | ajhtiredwolf: | let me find the paper that labels it |
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| [22:39:14] | ajhtiredwolf: | curious |
| [22:39:20] | ajhtiredwolf: | ... cant i do this throug hthe digital out port? |
| [22:39:44] | |Torg|: | yes but that port is not the default |
| [22:39:58] | Juski: | ajhtiredwolf: put it this way, if you hear sound from the tv tuner when the line input is unmuted, you're using the correct socket :) |
| [22:40:00] | |Torg|: | also your mixer controls are proobly not set for it |
| [22:40:26] | ajhtiredwolf: | alright, well yes i do hear sound whine line 1 isnt muted |
| [22:40:35] | ajhtiredwolf: | the damn thing isnt labeled |
| [22:40:41] | ajhtiredwolf: | but i can show you on a picture where it is plugged into |
| [22:40:43] | ajhtiredwolf: | if that helps :-P |
| [22:40:54] | |Torg|: | no I dont have one to compare |
| [22:41:07] | ajhtiredwolf: | alright, well il keep looking for the documentation |
| [22:41:10] | Juski: | hmm I know now why I'm always feeling so bored on friday nights. I miss doing my internet radio show |
| [22:41:25] | |Torg|: | what your going to have to do is list the devices and map the phsycal dsp on the card to the ports |
| [22:41:30] | |Torg|: | that is the hard part |
| [22:41:45] | |Torg|: | then you create an /etc/asound.conf file |
| [22:41:54] | |Torg|: | in it you will mmap the devices |
| [22:42:19] | |Torg|: | if you want to use anything BUT the audio out and anything BUT 2 channel your going to have to mmap it and hwdev it |
| [22:42:28] | |Torg|: | that is you must build a hardware and memory map |
| [22:42:52] | |Torg|: | after that you can alias it to whatever you please but make sure you end up witha default.pcm by creating one |
| [22:43:01] | |Torg|: | sound difficult? now you know why people bitch |
| [22:43:04] | ajhtiredwolf: | heh |
| [22:43:14] | |Torg|: | but there are plenty of places to show you how, use google |
| [22:43:33] | |Torg|: | if you like I can show the conf file for mine, but my card is different |
| [22:43:36] | Juski: | they ain't too hot at actually explaining the nuts & bolts of what goes on though |
| [22:43:39] | ajhtiredwolf: | you really have to do all that? or is it jsut because i have an audigy 2? |
| [22:43:58] | Juski: | depends on the defaults your distro uses |
| [22:44:01] | |Torg|: | becase you arnt connecting a set of speakers with 2ch out the box |
| [22:44:07] | Juski: | sometimes you get lucky |
| [22:44:18] | |Torg|: | also check alsaconf to make sure whatever you want for an output line isnt muted |
| [22:44:26] | ajhtiredwolf: | heh |
| [22:44:28] | ajhtiredwolf: | honestly |
| [22:44:32] | ajhtiredwolf: | tvtime works fine |
| [22:44:34] | ajhtiredwolf: | i cant record on it |
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| [22:44:37] | ajhtiredwolf: | but... if i have to do all that |
| [22:44:41] | ajhtiredwolf: | il use tvtime hah |
| [22:45:05] | Juski: | ajhtiredwolf: you didn't say how far you got trying to use alsamixer to record the line1 audio input though |
| [22:45:28] | |Torg|: | here look at this http://pastebin.ca/263913 |
| [22:45:53] | |Torg|: | there are three choices, dmix-analog, dmix digital, and digital hw |
| [22:46:05] | |Torg|: | the first is mixed output, out the analog line |
| [22:46:18] | |Torg|: | the second is no dsp, dump raw to the spdif |
| [22:46:31] | |Torg|: | third is mixed digital out the spdif line |
| [22:46:43] | |Torg|: | you need to know what device is analog and what is digital |
| [22:46:48] | ajhtiredwolf: | its ok |Torg| i dont want to make you work on this :-P |
| [22:46:48] | |Torg|: | thats the typw hw |
| [22:46:53] | Juski: | |Torg|: how's that gonna help the guy record 'line1' audio input though? |
| [22:46:54] | Juski: | ;) |
| [22:46:58] | ajhtiredwolf: | this looks like moer than i have time for :-P |
| [22:47:04] | ajhtiredwolf: | im just gonna stick with tvtime |
| [22:47:06] | ajhtiredwolf: | its coo ;) |
| [22:47:12] | |Torg|: | ok, your choice |
| [22:47:16] | ajhtiredwolf: | thanks anyway though |
| [22:47:23] | Juski: | if all you wanna do is watch TV, you don't need mythtv |
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| [22:47:32] | ajhtiredwolf: | all i wanted it for was recording |
| [22:47:46] | ajhtiredwolf: | and... the channel list was cool |
| [22:47:49] | ajhtiredwolf: | and i suppose |
| [22:47:57] | ajhtiredwolf: | ok well it had allot of cool features |
| [22:47:58] | Juski: | this is one of the reasons I wish software encoders would get dropped at some point |
| [22:48:06] | |Torg|: | and Juski its how you tie the line to the efault of alsa, if you wanted that to be line 1, learn what dsp its tied to and put it in |
| [22:49:24] | |Torg|: | Juski go read that pastebin, youll see what im talkgin about |
| [22:49:39] | |Torg|: | look for the pcm.analog-hw and pcm.digial-hw |
| [22:49:48] | Juski: | I'm allergic to alsa config crap |
| [22:49:52] | |Torg|: | determine what devices those are and voila |
| [22:49:57] | ajhtiredwolf: | maybe when i install fedora core 6 it will magically work :-P |
| [22:50:15] | |Torg|: | ajhtiredwolf are you pluggin to the speaker output of the card? |
| [22:50:30] | ajhtiredwolf: | wait, huh? |
| [22:50:46] | ajhtiredwolf: | of which card? |
| [22:50:50] | |Torg|: | do you plug into the efault stero plg on the card. ie the one thats labled speaker |
| [22:50:57] | |Torg|: | of the audigy |
| [22:51:08] | |Torg|: | becase if not, no drivger, not even windows will help you |
| [22:51:14] | |Torg|: | your goign to HAVE to configure the card |
| [22:51:55] | ajhtiredwolf: | from the tv tuner, it goes from out to ... i think line in, my speakers are plugged into 4 different ports, i have 7.1, but im just using head phones r ight now, plugged into a seperate ouput from my sub |
| [22:52:35] | |Torg|: | when you do so is your linein unmuted? |
| [22:52:48] | |Torg|: | and why do you plug in 7.1 speakers? |
| [22:53:06] | ajhtiredwolf: | i mute it when i dont want to hear the tv |
| [22:53:14] | ajhtiredwolf: | and what do you mena why do i use 7.1 speakers? |
| [22:53:35] | ajhtiredwolf: | because i like them ? :-P |
| [22:53:39] | |Torg|: | why do you output 2ch audio from the tv tuner, to the 2ch input on the audio card and then try to output that to 7.1 |
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| [22:54:23] | |Torg|: | your putting a 2ch signal into a 8 channel pipe, it wont work |
| [22:54:47] | ajhtiredwolf: | linux is only set to be working with 2 chanels right now |
| [22:54:50] | ajhtiredwolf: | because im using headphones |
| [22:55:12] | |Torg|: | linux isnt set to do anything, the soundcard driver is |
| [22:55:12] | ajhtiredwolf: | in kmix it shows 2 channels |
| [22:55:37] | |Torg|: | thats becae you are inputting 2 channels to the card so it turns off the sorrodung sound |
| [22:55:51] | |Torg|: | that card has multiple dsp chips each so two channel |
| [22:56:03] | |Torg|: | it ties them all together to make 7.1 |
| [22:56:12] | |Torg|: | if you dont input it tho it wont output it |
| [22:56:12] | mkrufky: | goodnight, guys |
| [22:56:15] | ajhtiredwolf: | well reguardless |
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| [22:56:23] | ajhtiredwolf: | whats your point? 0_o |
| [22:56:53] | |Torg|: | your physical limitation must be fixed before you try to chnge the software |
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| [23:00:19] | ajhtiredwolf: | heh |
| [23:00:29] | ajhtiredwolf: | i dont even know what your talking about haha :-p |
| [23:00:52] | |Torg|: | your trying to fill a bucket with a thimble |
| [23:01:05] | ajhtiredwolf: | what bucket? where? |
| [23:01:07] | ajhtiredwolf: | joking :-P |
| [23:01:10] | |Torg|: | the 7.1 |
| [23:01:16] | ajhtiredwolf: | yeah yeah i see what your saying |
| [23:01:19] | ajhtiredwolf: | but i dont know what you mean |
| [23:01:27] | ajhtiredwolf: | as in |
| [23:01:32] | ajhtiredwolf: | i dont understand the mechanics |
| [23:01:49] | |Torg|: | of what card are you using to capture vieo |
| [23:01:52] | |Torg|: | err video |
| [23:02:47] | ajhtiredwolf: | one sec |
| [23:03:49] | ajhtiredwolf: | SABRENT SBT-TVFM PCI Interface TV Tuner Video Capture Card FM Radio w/ Remote – Retail |
| [23:03:58] | ajhtiredwolf: | the little devil... |
| [23:04:06] | ajhtiredwolf: | it took me so long to get the damn thing to actually work in linux |
| [23:04:19] | ajhtiredwolf: | whats funny is that the first itme i loaded linux up with it installed |
| [23:04:23] | ajhtiredwolf: | it worked fine, tvtime recognized it fine |
| [23:04:27] | ajhtiredwolf: | then after a reboot |
| [23:04:32] | ajhtiredwolf: | NOPE! no tvtuner found |
| [23:04:39] | ajhtiredwolf: | i had to mess iwht it for about a week and a half before i got it to work |
| [23:04:51] | |Torg|: | ahh its an SD card, why the sorrund cound audio card? |
| [23:05:48] | ajhtiredwolf: | why the audigy 2? |
| [23:06:02] | |Torg|: | yea |
| [23:06:28] | ajhtiredwolf: | because i love my audigy 2 :-P, besides i got it like 2 years before i got the tv tuner |
| [23:06:40] | ajhtiredwolf: | the audigy 2 is awesome |
| [23:06:54] | |Torg|: | its not necessary |
| [23:07:13] | ajhtiredwolf: | i seriously dobut that htis tv tuner has better sound than my audigy 2 |
| [23:07:27] | ajhtiredwolf: | that this * |
| [23:07:36] | |Torg|: | I know for a fact it does |
| [23:07:54] | |Torg|: | you are taking the output of it, running it thu the input of the card, then outputting it back |
| [23:08:02] | ajhtiredwolf: | this 25$ tv tuner card has better sound quality than the audigy2? |
| [23:08:05] | |Torg|: | at best that audigy2 is doing nothing at all |
| [23:08:12] | ajhtiredwolf: | maybe in this particular case |
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| [23:08:16] | ajhtiredwolf: | but this isnt the only thing that i use it for |
| [23:08:18] | |Torg|: | grbarge in grbage out |
| [23:08:33] | ajhtiredwolf: | this tv tuner can't do 7.1 surround sound |
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| [23:08:44] | ajhtiredwolf: | it doesn't have eax support |
| [23:08:54] | ajhtiredwolf: | and i KNOW that the audigy 2 can produce better sound than it can |
| [23:09:00] | |Torg|: | if it had digital outputs it still cnt, its SD |
| [23:10:17] | jadel: | I'm trying to get my hauppauge remote working with mythtv – lirc is all setup and irw displays the correct info when I push a button, I've compiled mythtv with lirc built in, and put a ~/.mythtv/lircrc file with (what I believe to be) the correct commands, but there is nothing in the logs about lirc, the remote, and nothing works, how can I tell if mythfrontend finds my lircrc file? |
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| [23:12:09] | ajhtiredwolf: | there are allot of things id do before taking my Audigy 2 out |
| [23:12:15] | ajhtiredwolf: | like eating my fingers |
| [23:12:21] | ajhtiredwolf: | no way |
| [23:18:07] | no-idea: | Hello, I've been trying to install mythstream without much luck really, i've read the doc's and googled the compile error and cant get it compile, any help would be great. |
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| [23:20:01] | no-idea: | ../libs/fft.cpp: In constructor ‘SampleObject::SampleObject()’: |
| [23:20:02] | no-idea: | ../libs/fft.cpp:80: error: cast from ‘commArea*’ to ‘int’ loses precision |
| [23:20:02] | no-idea: | ../libs/fft.cpp: In destructor ‘virtual SampleObject::~SampleObject()’: |
| [23:20:02] | no-idea: | ../libs/fft.cpp:93: error: cast from ‘commArea*’ to ‘int’ loses precision |
| [23:20:03] | no-idea: | make[1]: *** [fft.o] Error 1 |
| [23:20:05] | no-idea: | make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/mythstream-0.17_2/mythstream' |
| [23:20:07] | no-idea: | make: *** [sub-mythstream] Error 2 |
| [23:21:02] | xris: | no-idea: please use a pastebin |
| [23:21:10] | no-idea: | np |
| [23:21:42] | xris: | no-idea: also not sure how much help you'll get here for a third-party plugin |
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| [23:23:02] | |Torg|: | no-idea you do realise we dont talk about piracy here, right? |
| [23:23:03] | trevarthan: | Hey, I'm seeing 99% CPU usage on my 0.20 mythbackend process suddenly (at idle and while recording). I just bought an xbox 360. Could the two problems be related? Is anyone else seeing this? |
| [23:23:32] | no-idea: | I realise that xris , but figured I'm not the only mythtv user that wants to use mythstream. |
| [23:24:52] | no-idea: | wtf are you taliking about |Torg|, I wanted to use mythstream to listen to radio stations |
| [23:25:17] | xris: | no-idea: yes. just pointing out that the general policy for such things is to take them up in the discussion forum for the third party app itself. no idea why mythstream is separate from the source, though |
| [23:25:22] | xris: | er, main mythtv source, that is. |
| [23:25:28] | |Torg|: | I was thiking it was for rsa keying |
| [23:25:46] | |Torg|: | i didnt realse mythstream also used it |
| [23:26:06] | jadel: | I'm trying to get my hauppauge remote working with mythtv – lirc is all setup and irw displays the correct info when I push a button, I've compiled mythtv with lirc built in, and put a ~/.mythtv/lircrc file with (what I believe to be) the correct commands, but there is nothing in the logs about lirc, the remote, and nothing works, how can I tell if mythfrontend finds my lircrc file? |
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| [23:27:12] | |Torg|: | fft is for fast fourier transformation the inverse of discrete (DFT), its useed spcifcly to crask rsa keys |
| [23:27:35] | fryfrog: | i recognize that term from seti too, actually :) |
| [23:27:36] | stuarta: | fft is used in signal processing... |
| [23:27:52] | |Torg|: | yea stuarta I just went and looked :) |
| [23:28:08] | stuarta: | that's the "official" use ;-) |
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| [23:29:24] | trevarthan: | is there any way to disable upnp in the mythbackend daemon? |
| [23:29:53] | stuarta: | believe --disable-upnp was backported to -fixes |
| [23:30:06] | GreyFoxx: | I think it's --noupnp or some such |
| [23:31:00] | GreyFoxx: | trevarthan: Why disable it ? |
| [23:31:06] | GreyFoxx: | having a problem ? |
| [23:33:02] | trevarthan: | GreyFoxx: I think it's causing 99% CPU on my system. Everytime I turn my xbox on the CPU goes through the roof on my mythtv backend and stays through the roof until I restart it. |
| [23:33:34] | GreyFoxx: | trevarthan: I fixed a bug in it a couple weeks ago that wouldcause that. I bckported it to -fixes |
| [23:33:43] | GreyFoxx: | so if possible, try a newer version |
| [23:34:26] | |Torg|: | umm no GreyFoxx its still there |
| [23:34:38] | stuarta: | latest fixes? |
| [23:35:00] | |Torg|: | yes |
| [23:35:16] | GreyFoxx: | I had found a very reproducable off by one bug which would cause a spiral into 100% usage |
| [23:35:21] | |Torg|: | where is the svn version stored ill tell you exactly the version |
| [23:35:30] | GreyFoxx: | since I fixed it I haven't see any more spikes |
| [23:35:37] | GreyFoxx: | mythbackend --version |
| [23:35:55] | trevarthan: | GreyFoxx: which revision? I'm running 11626 |
| [23:35:58] | GreyFoxx: | 11782 or newer needed |
| [23:36:09] | |Torg|: | 11823 |
| [23:36:09] | crweb: | where do you get -fixes? |
| [23:36:29] | |Torg|: | Library API version: 0.20.20061113–1 |
| [23:36:29] | GreyFoxx: | crweb: svn.mythtv.org to get the source |
| [23:36:29] | |Torg|: | Source code version: 11823 |
| [23:36:33] | GreyFoxx: | no idea about packages |
| [23:36:50] | crweb: | no tars? |
| [23:36:52] | GreyFoxx: | |Torg|: Does it happen everytime you use your xbox to access the upnp stuff ? |
| [23:36:54] | GreyFoxx: | crweb: No |
| [23:37:04] | GreyFoxx: | It's not a "released" thing |
| [23:37:08] | |Torg|: | it happens when I turn on the xbox360 |
| [23:37:26] | GreyFoxx: | |Torg|: Hmmmm really? Only when you turn on the 360 that you know of ? |
| [23:37:34] | GreyFoxx: | Ok, that could be useful to tracking it down then |
| [23:37:35] | |Torg|: | holon stil checking |
| [23:37:36] | trevarthan: | GreyFoxx: I run Gentoo. 11626 is the latest ebuild. it'll be a while before I have time to make a new ebuild and test, but I might be able to do that this weekend. |
| [23:37:48] | GreyFoxx: | thre might have been multiple bugs causing the same problem then |
| [23:37:49] | crweb: | mythtv has built in evil checking? neat |
| [23:37:51] | |Torg|: | turning it off dosnt fix it |
| [23:38:47] | trevarthan: | GreyFoxx: for now we'll see if running with --noupnp is a valid workaround. Keep the wife sane and my head on it's shoulders where it belongs. I don't have anything upnp capable anyway. |
| [23:38:49] | GreyFoxx: | |Torg|: Makes sense, something is causing some sort of infinite loop |
| [23:39:05] | GreyFoxx: | |Torg|: Cool. I can definately use you for testing that |
| [23:39:13] | GreyFoxx: | just no time for the next few hours at least :) |
| [23:39:19] | |Torg|: | im gogint o try the dlink and the xbox with xbmc |
| [23:39:39] | GreyFoxx: | I was able to cause it consistantly, so this must be something different |
| [23:40:23] | |Torg|: | xmbc does not trigger it |
| [23:41:16] | |Torg|: | in fact xbmc does not find it period |
| [23:42:16] | GreyFoxx: | I'm getting a xbox with xbmc tomorrow so I can use that for testing |
| [23:43:06] | |Torg|: | the dlink does not trigger it and does not see it |
| [23:43:16] | GreyFoxx: | You sure it's not turned off ? |
| [23:43:25] | GreyFoxx: | I used a dlink with mine with no problem |
| [23:43:40] | GreyFoxx: | I should had more verbose logging to -v upnp |
| [23:43:47] | |Torg|: | wait a second, leme go fix it, I forgot I robed its ehternet :) |
| [23:43:50] | GreyFoxx: | s/had/add |
| [23:43:51] | |Torg|: | and im running -v all now |
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| [23:48:22] | sandeen: | anyone have a suggestion for troubleshooting jerky hdtv playback... |
| [23:48:39] | sandeen: | I recorded a show, now going back tg watch, so it should be pure read, not watching live tv |
| [23:48:48] | GreyFoxx: | |Torg|: IF they still fail to work, try this patch : http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/2724 |
| [23:48:49] | sandeen: | xvmc is on, nvidia drivers on, dma on.... |
| [23:49:10] | janneg: | stuarta: have you valgrinded the backend in the last weeks? We might leak memory (50M in 20 days) |
| [23:49:20] | sandeen: | cpu is at 80–90% (P4 2.6Ghz) |
| [23:49:33] | stuarta: | nope. it does grow though, as my rrd graphs prove... |
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| [23:50:15] | stuarta: | but for me it's more like 200Mb over a week |
| [23:50:36] | stuarta: | jumps up when a recording is made. |
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| [23:52:02] | cornel1: | Hey seth |
| [23:53:05] | stuarta: | janneg: as you can see every 10mins the eitcache is dumped |
| [23:53:28] | stuarta: | although it looks more like every hour |
| [23:53:36] | janneg: | stuarta: do you have graphs for only RSS, I think ~10M per recording is ringbuffer |
| [23:54:01] | stuarta: | just what's on the graph |
| [23:54:10] | cornel1: | I was looking for the current myth version distributed with knoppmyth. I found there's an autoupgrade for knoppmyth... I was looking to see if there's an autoupgrade for myth |
| [23:54:15] | stuarta: | rss/peak/size |
| [23:54:20] | ** cornel1 doesn't wan to compile ;-) ** | |
| [23:54:48] | Juski: | autoupgrade ==evil |
| [23:55:01] | Juski: | no control of what gets installed == evil |
| [23:55:15] | Saviq: | yeah like automatix... |
| [23:55:23] | stuarta: | it just takes those 3 things from the process /proc status entry and graphs them... |
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| [23:55:45] | cornel1: | Newbie compiling stuff==evil ;-) |
| [23:55:53] | stuarta: | the lack of it coming back down is what concerns me. |
| [23:56:01] | Juski: | newbie schmoobie |
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| [23:56:06] | janneg: | yeah, but size and peak are uninteresting and downscale the RSS graph |
| [23:56:16] | |Torg|: | ok GreyFoxx, xbox xmbc dosnt trigger it and cant see the server: Dlink can see it and use it (I didnt play anything tho),: Xbox360 cant see it and cpu ramps up to 99% |
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| [23:56:37] | rukuartic: | so... should I get two sticks of 512, or one stick 1 gb? Not planning to upgrade any time soon. |
| [23:56:50] | stuarta: | what else would you graph, VmData? |
| [23:56:50] | |Torg|: | when I try to use it withe the dlink I get this over and over |
| [23:56:51] | |Torg|: | 2006-12–01 17:56:25.833 HttpWorkerThread::ProcessWork:End( -1380934736 ) |
| [23:56:52] | |Torg|: | 2006-12–01 17:56:25.834 HttpWorkerThread::ProcessWork:Begin( -1380934736 ) socket=13 |
| [23:57:08] | Zider: | rukuartic: depends on the cpu |
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| [23:57:18] | Zider: | and mobo ofcourse |
| [23:57:45] | rukuartic: | Zider: Asus Pundit, CPU = Athlon 64 (2.0 Ghz) |
| [23:57:54] | rukuartic: | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16856110050 |
| [23:58:05] | Zider: | do they support dual-channel ddr? |
| [23:58:18] | rukuartic: | Zider: Yes |
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| [23:58:25] | Zider: | then get two sticks |
| [23:58:35] | rukuartic: | Whats the advantage? |
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| [23:58:41] | Zider: | double ram speed? :P |
| [23:58:43] | Juski: | damn forum user. posted a solution to his problem & he's adamant it's not the problem he's seeing. ach well. some folks just don't know it when the helptrout slaps them |
| [23:58:54] | janneg: | stuarta: I don't know but I would draw them into different graphs |
| [23:59:14] | rukuartic: | Zider: makes sense. Whats "Timing"? 3-3–3? I'm also guessing that lower cas latency is better. |
| [23:59:30] | Zider: | rukuartic: yes, low latency is always good |
| [23:59:37] | jams: | Juski- happens alot, one reason I don't reply much on the things |
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