Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Wednesday, November 29th, 2006, 00:01 UTC

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robbins876:

I'm having a little bit of a problem... I have a dedicated frontend that's getting live tv and I can also watch recorded shows... but when i click on a video from the video browser it says that it can't find the folder... any ideas?

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neddy:

robbins876: is your video directory shared via samba or NFS?

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neddy:

I made the mistake of thinking it was streamed

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robbins876:

neddy: it's shared over smb

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robbins876:

do i need to set up a share for it in my smb setup?

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neddy:

yes

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neddy:

at least, that's what I had to do

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kormoc:

robbins876, yes, and it needs to be mounted exactly the same as any other frontends

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neddy:

and make sure your permissions are set so that you can read it from your frontend

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robbins876:

i dont' know what you mean

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kormoc:

so if it's /mnt/multimedia/Multimedia/Videos/tv's on one frontend, it needs to be there on all the others too

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GreyFoxx:

unlss you disable the loading of metadata and browse the filesystem

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robbins876:

kormoc: what do you mean?

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Daviey:

why pic samba over NFS?

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robbins876:

Daviey: I have 2 roommates that don't run linux

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Daviey:

okay sir

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kormoc:

robbins876, the paths to the videos are stored in the db, so when you play videoX it goes and looks for /path/to/videoX, that /path/to/ needs to be the same on all fronends

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Daviey:

kormoc, why does it need to be the same folder? It isn't on mine?

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Zider:

samba is more flexible than nfs too imo

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robbins876:

kormoc: but the videos are stored on my backend in /movies/

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** xris curses music that fights to be classified **

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robbins876:

and that's what i have in the frontend

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kormoc:

Daviey, cause it only uses one path for every frontend

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Daviey:

okay

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kormoc:

robbins876, that's fine then

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robbins876:

but i'm still getting nothing

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Daviey:

Zider, why do you think that? I found NFS to be more stable, and reconnect better

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Daviey:

robbins876, have you successfully mounted?

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Daviey:

ie can you access the video files from the console?

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robbins876:

Daviey: how do I test that?

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kormoc:

personally, I like NFS better then samba, it has proper permissions and handling of files

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kormoc:

robbins876, ls /movies

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Zider:

Daviey: but if there's several computers sharing files and maybe changing IPs it's not flexible enough

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kormoc:

robbins876, see if they're there

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kormoc:

Zider, ooh? why's that?

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kormoc:

Zider, you can use hostnames in /etc/exports just fine

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Zider:

kormoc: hostnames usually changes along with the ips

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xris:

kormoc: not to mention handles hard links, symlinks, etc.

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xris:

Zider: and IP ranges

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xris:

or masks, anywayh

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robbins876:

kormoc: What do you mean see if they're there? They're on my backend for sure

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kormoc:

robbins876, they need to be on the frontend too

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Zider:

kormoc: browsing a "neighbourhood" of shared folders on all available computers is much more flexible imo

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Daviey:

robbins876, okay so have you need to need to mount it on the frontend

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Daviey:

begin by making a folder on the frontend /movies

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kormoc:

Zider, meh, flexable in terms of dynamic useability, sure, but not in feature set

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Zider:

ofcourse

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Daviey:

robbins876, this should show you how to mount it http://www.justlinux.com/nhf/Filesystems/Moun . . . anently.html

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kormoc:

Zider, most people here aren't in a situtation where they have dynamic shifts like that

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Daviey:

Zider, especially on LANS

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Zider:

kormoc: I just pointed out that samba was more flexible :P

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kormoc:

Zider, and most hostnames stay with a computer, for example, christina.kormoc.com is always christina, no matter the ip address

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Zider:

kormoc: you'd have to update the DNS for that tho

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kormoc:

Zider, but only in that one way. you don't have simple controls over who has read access only and who has read/write, or ACL's or what not, which is another flexability a lot of people perfer

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kormoc:

Zider, sure, but that's automatic and happy for my setup

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Zider:

I did add "imo" :P

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kormoc:

well, it's more the fact it was a blanket statement :P

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Zider:

"blanket"?

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Daviey:

okay, ding ding – Round 1; Samba vs NFS

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Zider:

Daviey: draw

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Zider:

Daviey: they're both good, at different things

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xris:

Zider: still wondering why your LAN has dynamic IPs

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Daviey:

so NFS is good at being good and SMB is good at being bad? ;p

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kormoc:

xris, college campus

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xris:

ahhh

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Zider:

xris: I didn't say MY lan does

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xris:

nice way around file sharing. lol

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Daviey:

kormoc, but why have myth setup connected to a college network!?!

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kormoc:

Daviey, if you live in a dorm?

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robbins876:

Daviey: I setup that mount on the dedicated frontend, right?

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Daviey:

surely you would want to set up your own lan extension?

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Daviey:

robbins876, yes sir

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Daviey:

you will need to add it to fstab in order for it to remain in place when you reboot

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kormoc:

Daviey, some campuses don't allow that. they require mac address and filter based on them and what not

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Daviey:

kormoc, then give them a router MAC addy

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kormoc:

heh, that doesn't always work

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kormoc:

as they can get the device brand by the start of the mac address

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Zider:

really?

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kormoc:

aye

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Zider:

what about faked MACs? ;)

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kormoc:

heh, not much they can do about that, but really, meh :P

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kormoc:

Zider, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MAC_address

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kormoc:

Zider, the OUI is the part that tells brand

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Daviey:

robbins876, sorry i can't reply to IM's so here is what i said:

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Daviey:

that line you have above can't go into your fstab, so when you reboot the connection will be lost

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Daviey:

in /etc/fstab add to the bottom: //backend/movies /movies smbfs username=mythtv,password=password 0 0

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Daviey:

* obv. ensure that /movies is exported correctly

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BULLE:

kormoc: all cheap routers i have seen the last few years have a nice "clone mac" button in the web gui for them, so you just give them whatever mac you want

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kormoc:

BULLE, yeah, but is it worth it to risk getting expelled over?

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robbins876:

Daviey: The smbmount command didn't work, so i did mount -t smbfs

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robbins876:

but i'm still having no luck

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GreyFoxx:

you can fake your mac with ifconfig withmost nic drivers

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BULLE:

kormoc: he, you can get expelled for such athing ? insane country

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BULLE:

anyway, anyone here using the ir blaster functionality of the mce usb remote/receiver ?

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kormoc:

BULLE, it's in the admission agreement, you sign stating you won't do that

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BULLE:

kormoc: scary, around here they could never do such a thing

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kormoc:

I don't mind it. if I don't like it, you can buy your own internet

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** kormoc shrugs **

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GreyFoxx:

the local universitis here encourage users to have nat routers and such

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GreyFoxx:

in fact they will provide one for like $20 ontop of your dorm fees

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BULLE:

anyone that have used irrecord in lirc then ? im trying to use it to "collect" the ir codes i will emit with the mce ir blaster, but i am having some troubles, and i dont know exactly how "valid" raw codes look

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BULLE:

GreyFoxx: same around here, a firewall with nat is recommended, for your own protection, and own ease of use, in case you got laptop with wifi etc

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GreyFoxx:

they do require all wifi to be secured,but otherwise you are free to use arouter

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robbins876:

when I try to mount using mount -t smbfs I get this error: unknown filesystem type: smbfs

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xris:

robbins876: do you have samba installed?

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robbins876:

i'm not sure... check that now, though

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Zider:

you need smbfs support in the kernel I think

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robbins876:

i don't even have samba installed! IDIOT!

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BULLE:

robbins876: try with "cifs" or if it is "cifsfs"

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Zider:

the samba package is for sharing with samba, for mounting a share you need smbfs in the kernel.. or fusesmb, works too, but in a different way..

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xris:

Zider: which can be a module, and would be installed with a samba package

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Zider:

xris: I never seen it with any seprate package

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|Torg|:

http://packages.debian.org/stable/otherosfs/smbfs

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BULLE:

if it is a kernel module, and the source is in the normal kernel tree, like samba support, then it shouldnt be in a separate package, i would say

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xris:

Zider: dunno. maybe it *is* built into fedora kernels.

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|Torg|:

you can install just the filesystem and not the utils

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xris:

I just see mount.cifs as part of the samba-client package.

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Zider:

yeah, that's the mount commands for smbfs, not the sm bfs itself

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Zider:

but I guess many distros has the kernel with smbfs already

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Zider:

at least as a module

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BULLE:

xris: that is just the command that gets called when you do a "mount -t cifs" and you need that command, but you also need the actual kernel module, for cifs support

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|Torg|:

you mean the actual kernel fs mod, its part of the kernel package

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xris:

bulle: yeah, I get that.

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|Torg|:

you also do not need it to mount samba

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xris:

just surprsed me that it'd be built into the kernel.

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|Torg|:

its a filesystem, hence it must be built into the kernel

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BULLE:

xris: well, lots of network filesystems are included in the vanilla kernel tree

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xris:

bulle: doesn't mean they'd be built in instead of modules

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xris:

esp. with fedora's love of modules.

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|Torg|:

Debian and its ilk are also extremly modular

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Zider:

who said it had to be avtually built in the kernel instead of a module?

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|Torg|:

I think thats more the 2.6 kernels then the dirsto tho

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BULLE:

xris: uhm, now you got me confused, you can choose, if you want most network fs related to be compiled as modules, or included in the kernel directly

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** kormoc peers at his very non-modular kernel **

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|Torg|:

BULLE both actually

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xris:

bulle: yes. and I'm saying that I find it odd that fedora would choose to compile it into the kernel, when they seem to prefer compiling things as modules.

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|Torg|:

you can compile it in, as you can any module. Or you can compile a very plain kernel with almost no device support and everything as modules

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Zider:

well, fedora is a weird distro ;)

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|Torg|:

the latter is how most distros (at least the RH and Debian) family do it

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|Torg|:

FC does it the same way

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BULLE:

fedora kernel rpms contains the cifs fs modules

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|Torg|:

as does debian

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|Torg|:

root@boaz:/var/log/mythtv# dpkg -S /lib/modules/2.6.13.2-chw-3/kernel/fs/smbfs

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|Torg|:

kernel-image-2.6.13.2-chw-3: /lib/modules/2.6.13.2-chw-3/kernel/fs/smbfs

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BULLE:

[root@localhost modules]# rpm -qf ./2.6.18–1.2849.fc6/kernel/fs/cifs/cifs.ko

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BULLE:

kernel-2.6.18–1.2849.fc6

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|Torg|:

yes BULLE, does that suprise you?

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BULLE:

oh, mythbusters on tv

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BULLE:

|Torg|: no

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|Torg|:

ok sorry, I thought you were confused

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BULLE:

nah, i don think i am =)

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BULLE:

now, for to watch tv

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riddlebox:

does anyone know, of a way, to take a 2 gig mpg file that myth recorded and turn it into a viewable dvd?

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Hoodman:

use nero vision 7, thats usually what i use

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riddlebox:

in linux...?

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|Torg|:

riddlebox it depends GREATLY on what is inside that mpg, mostly you need to convert it to mpeg2/ac3

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|Torg|:

nero will do it automagicly

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Hoodman:

i need some help installing mythtv, im totally lost

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kormoc:

riddlebox, k3b can iirc

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Hoodman:

i have never compiled/installed anything....

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kormoc:

well, do you have a distro you want to use?

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Daviey:

Hoodman, personally i'd recommend ubuntu. You can install it pre-compiled easily

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Hoodman:

well, im debating....i downloaded one from mysettobox.com, and one directly from mythtv

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riddlebox:

kormoc, really, right now this is the script I was using, but it produces files that are usually too big for a dvd

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riddlebox:

http://s91928265.onlinehome.us/hfamily/mythtv/makedvd.sh

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|Torg|:

Hoodman how well do you know linux?

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Hoodman:

not at all

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Hoodman:

but ubuntu is already installed

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|Torg|:

http://www.mysettopbox.tv/knoppmyth.html

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kormoc:

knoppmyth is considered quite easy, and there's a really good indepth guide to fedora

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Hoodman:

ok, well i downloaded the knoppymyth.iso

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Hoodman:

i dont know what to do with it

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Daviey:

knoppmyth is probably the simpliest way to get started; but you'll find it hard to tinker as you won't now HOW it is installed. If you use a distro like ubuntu then the learning curve is gradual, but you will get there

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|Torg|:

knoppmyth is the easiest, it will installa debina base for you. Its somewhere out of date but you can learn with it untill you get more confortable with the system

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Hoodman:

i guess the question is, i dont know how to install it

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|Torg|:

there are guides to installing it on just about any flavor, lik the ubuntu here. It really is not the difficult but you will find the guides lack information if something goes wrong

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|Torg|:

installing linux can be done in multipel ways, proabbly the easiest is to burn it to a dvd/cd and install it like you would any other OS

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Daviey:

|Torg|, thats where we come in

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Hoodman:

ok, so the knoppymyth, is a OS also

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|Torg|:

you can also netowrk boot he box (more for advanced use and provisioning) or use a floppy and a network share (sorta old but still works, its slow)

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kormoc:

Hoodman, aye, it's ment to be a painless one to install and run

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kormoc:

Hoodman, what tv card do you have?

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|Torg|:

knoppix is a system for writing a version of debian toa cd so it runs off of memory and the CD

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|Torg|:

knppmyth is that system with myth already installed

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riddlebox:

kormoc, do I just open a new video dvd project in k3b, then dump the mpg file into the VIDEO_TS folder?

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Hoodman:

ads instant tv deluxe

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kormoc:

riddlebox, I *think* so, but uhh, I'm sure there's documents out there that go over the proper way to do so

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Hoodman:

ok, well since i already have ubuntu installed, how do i install the mythtv, that i downloaded from mythtv.com?

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kormoc:

you don't want to, you'll want to install it from the ubuntu packages

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|Torg|:

Hoodman does yous sound work? Does your X work? do you have drivers for yout video card and not stock drivers?

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Hoodman:

sound works

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|Torg|:

what tuner cards do you have? do they work? do the have devices?

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kormoc:

you see, most versions of linux have a software package system to handle installing and updating software for you

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Hoodman:

i dont know what x means

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|Torg|:

if you can answer all those installing myth could be as easy as some packages or downloading source and letting it go

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|Torg|:

X is a video system, its didpslays graphics

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kormoc:

erm

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Hoodman:

ok

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|Torg|:

myth runs on top of X

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kormoc:

|Torg|, it's not a video system...

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|Torg|:

ok kormoc what would you call it?

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kormoc:

Hoodman, X is the gui (Graphical User Interface)

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Hoodman:

i have to be honest...im a little clueless when it come to linux

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kormoc:

Hoodman, it's what gives you all those windows and menus and what not

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|Torg|:

Hoodman can you use windows?

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Hoodman:

yes

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kormoc:

|Torg|, personally, I call it a gui, as that's what it is

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|Torg|:

no kormoc it isnt what gives you windows nor menus, thats your desktop manager

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Hoodman:

ubuntu is working well, i think i still need a video driver

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|Torg|:

X is the functions equivelent along with a desktop manager that serves the same function in windwos as explorer.exe

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kormoc:

|Torg|, not entirely true, X can display some very simple windows, it just doesn't manage them, nor have 'decorations'

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|Torg|:

ever have windows explore crash and you icons disapear?

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kormoc:

|Torg|, try running X without a wm and then in a console run DISPLAY=:0.0 blah

[01:14:06]

Hoodman:

yes, who hasnt

[01:14:11]

Hoodman:

lol

[01:14:12]

kormoc:

|Torg|, it will run quite happily

[01:14:14]

|Torg|:

ok kormoc we can arge symatecs later :)

[01:14:31]

kormoc:

|Torg|, given X stands for Xwindows... :P

[01:14:40]

|Torg|:

ok Hoodman explorer in that case is showing you dekstop, its paiintg the start menu and showing you wallpaper

[01:14:49]

Hoodman:

yes

[01:14:58]

|Torg|:

its running on top of a part of windows you never hear about tho, called the gui

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|Torg|:

so what koroc is telling you is also correct

[01:15:27]

|Torg|:

the *thing* you think is windows is in fact teh last part of it, the gui or exploer.exe

[01:15:37]

|Torg|:

those programs run to give you, well video

[01:15:49]

kormoc:

(Actually, explorer is just a window manager and shell, you can replace it... :P)

[01:15:52]

|Torg|:

my defenition is a bit broad, kormocs a bit more specifc

[01:15:55]

Hoodman:

everything seems ok, the video is a little jumpy, makes me think it doesnt have the correct drivers

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|Torg|:

But X, draws graphics

[01:16:04]

kormoc:

Hoodman, what is your video card?

[01:16:31]

|Torg|:

kormoc exploer is also you desktop manger

[01:16:55]

Hoodman:

nvidia gforce 5400

[01:16:57]

kormoc:

if you have a desktop, sure

[01:17:04]

kormoc:

I personally don't use them

[01:17:13]

kormoc:

Hoodman, you'll want to download drivers from nvidia and use them

[01:17:16]

|Torg|:

nor do I, takes too much memory and cpu

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Hoodman:

i just have no idea what to do with these "tar balls"?

[01:18:01]

|Torg|:

tar balls are like zip files

[01:18:07]

kormoc:

Hoodman, don't bother with them, there's ways to do almost all this without them

[01:18:17]

kormoc:

Hoodman, first step is to install the nvidia drivers

[01:18:35]

kormoc:

Hoodman, http://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/ . . . 629-pkg1.run

[01:18:51]

kormoc:

Hoodman, http://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/ . . . pter-03.html

[01:19:17]

|Torg|:

Hoodman what is your monitor?

[01:19:30]

Hoodman:

linux ia32 is the os right?

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** kormoc raises an eyebrow **

[01:19:44]

|Torg|:

linux is the os

[01:19:46]

Hoodman:

syncmaster 997df

[01:20:00]

Hoodman:

there are 2 different

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|Torg|:

what do you want to watch on those monitors?

[01:21:17]

Hoodman:

this will eventually go to the tv

[01:21:32]

|Torg|:

ok thats what I wanted to know, what kind of TV?

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Hoodman:

philips magnavox

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xris:

Hoodman: HD, SD, what kind of connector?

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|Torg|:

what model? what Im getting to is simplar to the fac tyou have to set display properties in windows you wil need to have video modes for X

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Hoodman:

oh, ok

[01:22:31]

Hoodman:

its an old tv

[01:22:35]

Hoodman:

27 sd

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|Torg|:

also what kind of CPU is in the box?

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Hoodman:

p4 510 2.8

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|Torg|:

then dont get the ia32 driverz

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|Torg|:

linux is compoled with CPU optimizations in many cases

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Hoodman:

i will be using the svideo out

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Hoodman:

ok

[01:23:47]

Hoodman:

i downloaded it, but it errored

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|Torg|:

when in doubt yoiu can always use 386 code (jsut make sure that the code matches the kernel)

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|Torg|:

it errored probbly becase it detected you dont have an ia32 cpu

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Hoodman:

ok

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|Torg|:

hmm wait a p4? it is ia32 ducch im thinking itanium :)

[01:25:07]

|Torg|:

http://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/ . . . 629-pkg1.run

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|Torg|:

get that

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Hoodman:

i dont know that you mean <|Torg|> hmm wait a p4? it is ia32 ducch im thinking itanium :)

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xris:

kormoc: why not just have him grab the nvidia drivers from ubuntu?

[01:26:38]

|Torg|:

do you know the diffence in CPU cores? the differnce from say an amd64 and an intel p4?

[01:27:09]

Hoodman:

sort of

[01:27:24]

|Torg|:

well to a computer that difference is great (well sorta)

[01:27:37]

|Torg|:

linux takes advantage of some of the special features of certain cpu sets

[01:27:37]

Hoodman:

ok

[01:28:04]

|Torg|:

what I got cofused with is Nvidia non standard lable of an x86 code

[01:28:26]

|Torg|:

its called x86 becae all Intel and AMD cpus run a set of code for a 386 CPU

[01:28:35]

|Torg|:

a VERY VERY VERY VERY old set of code

[01:28:49]

|Torg|:

laster it became 486, then 585 and 686

[01:28:57]

Hoodman:

hmmm

[01:29:10]

|Torg|:

those are all 32 bit sets, but the code never changed expect adding extra instrucitons

[01:29:25]

|Torg|:

its why the cpu is called a CISC, as opposed to a RISC CPU

[01:29:37]

|Torg|:

but Ive digressed greatly for you installing linux :)

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Hoodman:

heheheh

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xris:

|Torg|: thought it went back to 8086

[01:30:27]

Hoodman:

ok, when i double click this file from nvidia, it asked me what to do.....do i run?

[01:30:31]

|Torg|:

hey xris I had one of those :)

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xris:

Hoodman: you try just installing the drivers from ubuntu?

[01:31:12]

|Torg|:

yes, run it. Its probbly net set as excutable, so you can run it with by setting it to be executable or running it with a shell (like a dos box)

[01:31:28]

Hoodman:

i dont know how to do that

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|Torg|:

sh <file>

[01:31:45]

|Torg|:

or do what xris is getting yuo to try

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Hoodman:

ive never installed anything with linux

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|Torg|:

those nvidia drivers are precompield (older versions) for all the distributions

[01:32:04]

xris:

|Torg|: much easier for him to stay up to date that way, esp. if apt installs a new kernel on him

[01:32:12]

|Torg|:

you can use a package manager to install them from a remote repository

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xris:

Hoodman: type: sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx

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|Torg|:

xris ubu uses apt, right?

[01:32:41]

xris:

yes

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Hoodman:

where do i type that?

[01:32:46]

xris:

Hoodman: in a terminal

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|Torg|:

he has to update is local repositorys frist xris

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xris:

there's a graphical package manager, too, but I forget the name.

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Hoodman:

ok, how do i open a terminal

[01:33:03]

|Torg|:

aptitude

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xris:

synaptic would work, but last I looked, it was really ugly

[01:33:09]

xris:

|Torg|: that'd be it

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xris:

Hoodman: just run aptitude

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xris:

ignore what I said earlier

[01:33:29]

|Torg|:

Hoodman what is on the screen when you look at the computer monitor?

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Hoodman:

a brown background, with a top menu

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Hoodman:

im not finding "aptitude"

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|Torg|:

does the desktop say sometihng like gnome or kde?

[01:34:44]

|Torg|:

is it grahpical in nature?

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xris:

Hoodman: press f2

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kormoc:

|Torg|, by default ubuntu uses gnome, and of course it's graphical...

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xris:

sorry, alt-f2

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Hoodman:

its a graphical

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Hoodman:

sorry to sound so clueless here

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|Torg|:

well kormoc I dont use ubu, I assumed it as graphical, and if I could determine if it were gnome or kde tell him how to use the menu :P

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kormoc:

|Torg|, it's ubuntu's custom gnome

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|Torg|:

in that menu bar, it could be on top or bottom, is there an icon that looks like a bloack box with a border?

[01:36:22]

|Torg|:

and is the a footprint looing thing that says gnome?

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xris:

Hoodman: just press alt-f2 to bring up the "run command" dialog

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xris:

then type aptitude

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Hoodman:

not that i see Torg

[01:37:15]

|Torg|:

xris is telling you how to use the shortcut. It will work just as easily

[01:37:39]

|Torg|:

if you hit alt-f2 does it bring up an input box?

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Hoodman:

yes, but typing aptitude didint seem to do anything

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|Torg|:

type xterm instead

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|Torg|:

it shoudl bring up a window that looks like a dos box

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Hoodman:

ok, xterm, brought up a box that is dos like

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xris:

|Torg|: btw, his desktop likely looks like this: http://www.ubuntu.com/include/img/desktop.png

[01:39:32]

|Torg|:

in it type aptitude

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|Torg|:

thanks xris that makes alot of sence now :)

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Hoodman:

yes, very similar xris

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Gazo:

he's using gnome

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|Torg|:

see the botton with what looks like 4 windows? those are virtual dekstops. If you ever "loose" a window make sure you didnt click one of those

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Hoodman:

ok, that brought up a mene, with some options

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|Torg|:

the gnome icons I told you to look for ubu replaced with its own, its the circle looking thing at the top left

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Hoodman:

yes

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xris:

|Torg|: sort of.. that's the applications menu. the gnome menu is that plus the other two menus

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|Torg|:

in that does box type "/nvidia" without the quotes

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|Torg|:

thanks xris, btw I really duck at dekstop support since I dont ever use them :)

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|Torg|:

did it find something called nvidia-glx?

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Hoodman:

ok, i think it want me to select someting

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|Torg|:

yes / is search, you are searching for nvidia

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** xris wonders if Hoodman wouldn't be better off in #ubuntu with people who actually know exactly what to do to help huim **

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Hoodman:

obsolite and locally created packages, ot virtual packages

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|Torg|:

xris is probably right, you would get better support from someone who actualy useses ubuntu ona regualr basis

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|Torg|:

Hoodman none of those, did it find anything with a p in front?

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Hoodman:

no, i dont think so

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|Torg|:

hit u, what does it do

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xris:

Hoodman: chances are that you need to enable one of the extra repositories, and you're better off with the people in #ubuntu to help you

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Hoodman:

ok, i will try there

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|Torg|:

Hoodman xris is correct, to get myth installed you are going to have to add a repository (the place you get the packages from)

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|Torg|:

since I dont use ubu I dont know what repositories have myth

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Hoodman:

ok

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Hoodman:

i will try there

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** |Torg| dosnt even know ownes for debian for that matter **

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|Torg|:

besides I need to go eat :)

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Hoodman:

thatsnks for trying all

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rothga1:

I am trying to figure out why HD won't play without stuttering on my frontend

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rothga1:

is anyone using HD?

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scott__:

rothga1: I AM!

[02:30:22]

rothga1:

do you have your backend and front end separate boxes?

[02:30:28]

scott__:

indeed I do

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kslater:

as do I

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scott__:

kslater = kelly slater from 'saved by the bell' /

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robbins876:

kelly slater is a sufer, retard

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rothga1:

what are the specs of your frontend? I have a p4 2.4 with a nvidia 6200 and 512 mb ddr ram and my playback stutters

[02:31:19]

robbins876:

it was AC Slater and Kelly Kapowski

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robbins876:

duh!

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rothga1:

I cannot get it to be smooth

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scott__:

rothga1: do you use Xv or XvMC or what output plugin for playback?

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rothga1:

I have tried both (and with normal, no Xv)

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robbins876:

what in the hell did the AC stand for? Air conditioner?

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robbins876:

IMDB: Alber Clifford Slater.

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scott__:

do you use the nvidia propetitary drivers?

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rothga1:

yes, I am using the beta drivers because the non beta drivers don't support my card

[02:33:55]

rothga1:

and I checked xorg.conf and it is set as the driver

[02:34:27]

rothga1:

but I can't think of any other reason why playback skips :(

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Zider:

beta drivers for a 6200? hm.. I thought they were supported long ago

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rothga1:

when I tried the normal driver x broke (at least it did last time I tried)

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Zider:

which version would that be?

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rothga1:

is there a way for me to check what version driver I am using?

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Zider:

beta according to the site or according to your distros package system? ;)

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rothga1:

haha, let me check

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Zider:

cat /proc/driver/nvidia/version

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rothga1:

1 sec, putty isn't connecting

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Zider:

:P

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Zider:

bad putty

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rothga1:

maybe I didn't install the beta verison with this install

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rothga1:

I am on 8776

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Zider:

1.0–9629 is latest stable

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rothga1:

oh, hmm

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rothga1:

time to update

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Zider:

yes ;)

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rothga1:

dangit, now my keyboard is dead (stupid wireless)

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rothga1:

hmm, looks like my respitory is out of date

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kash:

damn

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kash:

anyone record House?

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xris:

kash: if you're about to ask if someone will share their recording with you, I'd recommend that you reconsider.

[02:48:27]

kash:

no

[02:48:31]

kash:

i was going to ask how it went

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xris:

heh, just checking.

[02:49:04]

kash:

xris: you know that in Canada, sharing is legal?

[02:49:08]

kash:

:p

[02:49:24]

xris:

kash: so? the channel is "based" in the US, along with most of the devs.

[02:49:29]

kash:

oh yeah

[02:49:38]

kash:

so if i were to speak with a fellow canadian, we should do it in pm

[02:49:44]

xris:

exactly

[02:49:47]

kash:

ok :)

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Zider:

or dcc

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Zider:

:P

[02:49:53]

kash:

so what's the code word for something like that

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xris:

we've been asked to keep things in this channel completely US-legal.

[02:50:01]

kash:

ah

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Zider:

kash: PUDDING

[02:50:07]

Zider:

;)

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kash:

what about a channel like #mythtv-global

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kash:

or -canada

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kormoc:

kash, and auctually isn't it just music that's legal in canada, they're still waiting a rule for videos, no?

[02:50:38]

kash:

no, it's legal

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kormoc:

hrm.

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kormoc:

wonder how that works, as dvd's don't have a media tax on them (yet)

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GreyFoxx:

As long as you aren't chraging for it

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kash:

you can request a tape of a public broadcast

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GreyFoxx:

if I charged someone $1 for it thatwould be illegal

[02:51:33]

kash:

you can also get it from a friend

[02:51:43]

kash:

GreyFoxx is right

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kormoc:

kash, we can share certain public broadcasts too, that doesn't make it blanket legal :P

[02:52:00]

kash:

kormoc: it's hard to say what the law actually is

[02:52:04]

kash:

it's like weed in amsterdam

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kormoc:

that's how our law is sorta too, other then the mass sharing aspect of it

[02:52:15]

kash:

it's not exactly illegal, but it's not fully legal.

[02:52:19]

kash:

there's some gray areas

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kormoc:

which muddles it up to the point where it's not happy to talk about

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kash:

you're allowed to make so many copies from one source

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kash:

i don't understand why it would be illegal

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kormoc:

so why the media tax on cd's that goes to the canadian music industry?

[02:53:10]

kash:

it's like the recording radio broadcasts and then distributing them

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kormoc:

if it's perfectly legal to do that, why pay for the ability?

[02:53:31]

kash:

because music downloading is legal? no clue.

[02:53:39]

kash:

there's lotsa taxes in canadia

[02:54:38]

kormoc:

heh, there's a specific media tax on cd's that goes to the canadian RIAA equivelent. it was put into place to help offset the costs of having music sharing ruled legal. it was illegal before that ruling

[02:54:50]

kormoc:

it's just strange that dvd's/videos aren't treated the same tis all

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** kash shrugs **

[02:55:46]

kash:

i asked CTV if downloading episodes of The Simpsons, 24, House, etc. was legal, and they said yes

[02:56:04]

kash:

Fox said no, but they're on the us side

[02:56:42]

kash:

i do know it's definately illegal in the states since that LOL group got busted

[02:56:56]

kormoc:

heh, that can get sticky, and CTV only licenses to show them on their station, they are not licenced to grant redistrubition rights, Fox is the only one who can do that, and they said no.

[02:57:38]

kormoc:

while it might not matter to the rcmp, it's still likely illegal

[02:58:00]

kash:

hm

[02:58:04]

rothga1:

ok, driver is update and I am gitting the same probem with playback :(

[02:58:10]

kash:

weird

[02:58:24]

rothga1:

via xvmc is enabled

[02:58:25]

kash:

so i can record them OTA but can't share them, even though other people can view them OTA too?

[02:58:32]

Shikkie:

NOOOOOOO my cable signal fubar'd during house

[02:58:41]

kash:

Shikkie: i had a power outage :p

[02:58:41]

kormoc:

kash, aye, that's how the laws are

[02:58:51]

kash:

kormoc: pardon the french, but that's uber ghey.

[02:59:18]

kormoc:

kash, ooh, I agree, but c'est la ve

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Shikkie:

only my fox hd channel does that

[02:59:36]

kash:

vie*

[02:59:41]

Shikkie:

standard fox doens't

[02:59:42]

kormoc:

close enough :P

[02:59:45]

kash:

:)

[02:59:47]

Shikkie:

but standard looks like butt

[03:00:08]

kash:

kormoc: i think video sharing should be under fair use.. it's ok as long as it's half resolution as source, etc.

[03:00:26]

xris:

kash: the point I think they try to make is that you *shouldn't* be allowed to record it, and if your friend didn't, then you don't have own the file or have the rights to share it, and they do, and they would rather you didn't.

[03:00:26]

kash:

that would let me see the episode at least until the full quality version is on USA

[03:00:30]

xris:

sucks, but 'tis the law.

[03:00:36]

kash:

ah

[03:00:46]

kash:

so we as end-users have very limited distribution rights

[03:00:53]

xris:

kash: no distribution rights

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kormoc:

kash, I think the trick is that only applys to the first copy. when you make copys of the copys, then it's no longer covered under fair use

[03:01:03]

kash:

hm

[03:01:40]

xris:

heck, they're apparently now trying to say that any TV over 29" diagonal with a couch in front of it is a "home theatre" and its owners should pay the MPAA a theatrical performance fee or something like that.

[03:01:56]

kash:

hahaha what the hell

[03:02:08]

Shikkie:

i think that was a joke article xris

[03:02:09]

kash:

i have a 73", a 42", 38" and a projector

[03:02:15]

kormoc:

good thing I don't own a couch, I own a sofa!

[03:02:21]

Shikkie:

73 omg

[03:02:21]

kash:

i have a chesterfield

[03:02:27]

xris:

Shikkie: possibly, but unfortunately believable

[03:02:34]

kash:

Shikkie: the projector is 120"

[03:02:45]

kash:

2200 lumens i think

[03:02:48]

kash:

could be way off

[03:02:49]

Shikkie:

do you live in a mansion or something?

[03:02:52]

kash:

yeah

[03:02:53]

kash:

kinda

[03:03:03]

xris:

kash: I believe that "projector" would hve gotten you in trouble from the start. heh.

[03:03:07]

kash:

property taxes = suck

[03:03:21]

kash:

xris: could i get in trouble for projecting it onto the side of my house? :D

[03:03:31]

kash:

i mean, wouldn't that be sharing

[03:03:54]

kormoc:

kash, actually, yes you can, any form of public display would need distribution rights

[03:03:56]

xris:

kash: in the US, if it's not "members of a household" it's considered a public viewing, which is subject to paying license fees.

[03:04:03]

kash:

jeez

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D-side:

i thought i saw on slashdot today (yes, i know, villify me for reading that crap) some new MPAA foolishness

[03:04:12]

kormoc:

kash, it's why you can't start your own theater without paying fees and what not

[03:04:15]

xris:

D-side: that's what I just mentioned

[03:04:24]

D-side:

ah sorry for being a redundant ass then. :D

[03:04:26]

xris:

kash: probably have similar laws in canada

[03:04:32]

kash:

my neighbour in the states had a theatre projector that projected onto his house

[03:04:37]

xris:

that much makes sense, legally speaking

[03:04:37]

D-side:

xris: they've very clearly lost their minds.

[03:04:44]

kash:

we watched the new star wars on it

[03:05:12]

xris:

kash: I have a friend who does it, too.. projects over his pool onto a big screen so he can have movies running during parties.

[03:05:19]

kash:

:)

[03:05:31]

kash:

he did porn once

[03:05:34]

kash:

just once though

[03:05:38]

kash:

man, he was fined big time

[03:05:43]

xris:

I wouldn't put that past my friend, either.

[03:05:47]

kash:

XD

[03:05:49]

xris:

given some of the parties he hosts

[03:05:56]

kash:

playboy mansion! :)

[03:06:36]

kash:

ok really.. if someone has the house episode and would like to discuss the plot in PM, go ahead :)

[03:06:37]

xris:

something like that, but with more actual sex.

[03:06:52]

Shikkie:

kash, separate chan. I missed 90% of it too

[03:06:55]

Shikkie:

:(

[03:06:58]

kash:

:O

[03:07:04]

Shikkie:

i get just enough to be upset I'm missing stuff

[03:07:06]

kash:

separate chan?

[03:07:09]

kash:

hahaha

[03:07:13]

kash:

i missed the whole thing

[03:07:15]

Shikkie:

so I can hear too :P

[03:07:18]

kash:

oh

[03:07:20]

kash:

:)

[03:07:29]

kash:

yeah but channels are governed by freenode

[03:07:31]

kash:

PMs aren't

[03:07:39]

Shikkie:

oh you can't have a random channel?

[03:07:41]

kash:

no

[03:07:46]

Shikkie:

well that's weak

[03:07:48]

kash:

it's all xen's fault, my missing House.

[03:07:52]

kash:

>:(

[03:08:07]

D-side:

xen? and mythtv?

[03:08:14]

Shikkie:

basically the cop dude is stirring everything up and house is a total @#$# to everyone

[03:08:17]

D-side:

dear god, i thought i was the only one to have ever made that mistake.

[03:08:19]

Shikkie:

that's all I can tell

[03:08:25]

Shikkie:

but... that's the last 3 episodes

[03:08:26]

kash:

nono

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kormoc:

Shikkie, kash, sure you can, join #houseontv

[03:08:32]

kash:

i use mythtv on the host

[03:08:33]

kash:

:p

[03:08:54]

D-side:

i had mythtv running in a domU

[03:10:23]

kash:

mine's on a dom0

[03:10:27]

kash:

D-side: what happened?

[03:12:22]

D-side:

it was xen 2.0.7

[03:12:29]

D-side:

and it was a very old kernel.

[03:12:41]

D-side:

as i recall, i needed a kernel upgrade for something, and i said screw it and ditched xen

[03:12:48]

D-side:

i had no real need to run xen on the box then anyway.

[03:13:36]

D-side:

i haven't thought about xen in a while. is it still tied to a specific kernel, or are there patches available now?

[03:15:16]

kormoc:

there's patches to most of the 2.6.x kernels

[03:15:26]

kormoc:

they just tend to be a week or two later then the kernel

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D-side:

maybe i should look into it again.

[03:15:32]

D-side:

thats pretty good then

[03:15:46]

D-side:

thanks for the update.

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kash:

what time zone is kormac in

[03:19:13]

kash:

oh shit

[03:19:16]

kash:

what does pink eye look like

[03:19:54]

kash:

err

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kash:

nevermind

[03:25:46]

xris:

kash: he's in PDT

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xris:

about 30 miles north of me

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rothga1:

does anyone have something else I could try to get my HD working?

[03:30:55]

rothga1:

I have no idea what to try next

[03:36:13]

kash:

hi

[03:36:18]

kash:

xris: cool

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kash:

xris: PM?

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kash:

rothga1: what's the issue?

[03:37:44]

rothga1:

my hd playback is skipping

[03:37:53]

rothga1:

it kinda stutters every few seconds

[03:38:12]

rothga1:

I just updated the drivers for the nvidia card but it is still doing it

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kash:

hm

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[03:39:29]

kash:

does it do it on a recording?

[03:39:32]

kash:

outside of mythtv?

[03:39:43]

kash:

with tvtime or some other non-buffering app?

[03:40:28]

rothga1:

I don't have any other apps installed on my frontend, maybe I will record something and try that

[03:40:53]

kash:

try tvtime too

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Tronic:

Are there any better deinterlacers available than those built in?

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kash:

Bob is the best of the builtin ones

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kash:

i dunno though

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Tronic:

TomsMoComp or lavcdeint (MPlayer's pp=fd) are a couple of good ones.

[03:42:30]

Tronic:

Too bad that bob is the worst deinterlacer (out of those actually used by anybody).

[03:42:44]

kash:

yeah..

[03:43:04]

kash:

i use 720p so i don't really need to deinterlace though

[03:43:13]

Tronic:

Lucky you.

[03:43:18]

kash:

xris: are you in Seattle?

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kash:

bbs reboot

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robbins876:

why is that when i do mount -t smbfs i get unknown file system? I also can't do smbmount

[03:47:16]

Zider:

try modprobe smbfs

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kash:

back

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kash:

try the SMB FUSE module

[03:48:05]

kash:

it's neat :]

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robbins876:

module not found... that explains it

[03:48:13]

robbins876:

will cifs work?

[03:48:22]

kash:

cifs?

[03:48:40]

kash:

are you mounting something on a windows box or is it linux -> *nix ?

[03:48:46]

robbins876:

common interchange file system

[03:48:52]

kash:

i'd use NFS

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robbins876:

in linux... on a dedicated frontend

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kash:

i mean, where is the share you're mounting

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robbins876:

on my backend

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kash:

ok

[03:49:31]

kash:

use NFS

[03:49:38]

kash:

it will have a nice performance boost.

[03:49:42]

robbins876:

i just did cifs and it seems to be working

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** kash shrugs **

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robbins876:

will it work with myth to play my videos?

[03:50:19]

Shikkie:

I'm following the setup guide for FC6 off wilsonet.com and I'm not seeing /dev/video

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kash:

/dev/video*

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kash:

it's probably /dev/video0

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Shikkie:

I don't see anything like that in /dev

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Shikkie:

i do ls /dev/v* and I get a bunch of vcs items

[03:51:37]

Shikkie:

no /dev/video

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kash:

see if the capture card's module is loaded

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Shikkie:

what would do that, modprobe?

[03:53:49]

Shikkie:

no memory on buffer alloc shows up in dmesg

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Shikkie:

hmm, the fix in his guide for that doesn't seem to do anything

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Shikkie:

and now the box locked up

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Shikkie:

yay

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Shikkie:

yay!!!!!

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Shikkie:

reboot got it recognized

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[R]:

are there any USB ATSC tuners that work in linux?

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kslater:

[R] did you try linuxtv.org?

[04:09:33]

[R]:

i'm poking around there currently

[04:10:10]

[R]:

interesting, seems ther is

[04:10:16]

[R]:

and for the low low price of $149

[04:10:23]

kslater:

which one?

[04:10:30]

[R]:

Fusion HDTV5 USB Gold

[04:10:36]

kslater:

right

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kash:

hahaa

[04:13:19]

kash:

low low price indeed

[04:13:23]

kash:

i stole mine :)

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[R]:

haha

[04:14:12]

kslater:

[R] why usb?

[04:14:51]

[R]:

the motherboard is mini ATX and all the pci slots are full

[04:14:55]

[R]:

2 tuners and 1 pci video card

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kash:

ah

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kash:

i have 2 PCI slots

[04:15:42]

kash:

i feel the pain

[04:15:54]

kash:

i have 4 PCI-E slots though

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kash:

go figure

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kash:

xris

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kash:

did 'House' start there yet?

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opello:

that was on 2 hours ago?

[04:23:26]

kash:

yea

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kash:

he's in PDT

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opello:

i don't think fox airs it twice?

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kash:

opello: did you record it?

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opello:

yeah

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kash:

opello: eastern and pacific

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opello:

ah i didn't know if they did that

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Shikkie:

aahahah i just spent 15 minutes trying to figure out wtf was with my cable signal

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Shikkie:

then I realized my coax out was coming off my digital box, I turned to channel 3 and it loosk sweet

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Shikkie:

WOOT

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Shikkie:

someone got house recorded

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Zider:

yeah, I'm sure someone does. :P

[04:28:31]

Zider:

somewhre in the world

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GreyFoxx:

I'm sure many of us did :)

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Zider:

not me tho

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Shikkie:

mine fubar'd, my hd channel got distorted and broken up

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Shikkie:

it was totally, de de dee

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opello:

won't it be on USA tomorrow?

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Shikkie:

the episode from today????

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opello:

they pulled crap like that a few times

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opello:

really fast syndecation

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Shikkie:

i hope

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Shikkie:

that episode, from the tiny bit i saw

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Shikkie:

was crucial

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kash:

heh

[04:30:53]

kash:

no

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kash:

it takes a week for USA to do it

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Shikkie:

:( segfault

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Shikkie:

I go to run mythtvsetup and it says it's using the Qt painter and then segfaults

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Gazo:

Anyone have trouble compiling mythplugins from svn fixes ?

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Shikkie:

any ideas what would cause a segmentation fault?

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Chicago:

Anybody here using a Hauppauge-500MCE? I found yesterday the IVTV driver has an option yuv_fixup=1 which really improved my performance. Also, adding ivtvctl -q 0 /dev/vide0 made the video quality great. Thought I would mention it to the group... because I've been using the card for 18 months and nobody suggested me doing that.

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kormoc:

Chicago, you might want to put that into the wiki

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Chicago:

kormoc: On the gentoo wiki too. Where is the best place to put my ivtvctl -q 0 /dev/video0 and same for /dev/video1...? Is there a way I can tell the mythbackend directly to use those arguments to ivtvctl?

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kormoc:

I don't think you can have myth do it

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kormoc:

but personally, I would put it into root's crontab via @reboot

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kormoc:

which will run those commands on every reboot

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Chicago:

I cannot find where ivtvctl is first called by my system. My ivtv module obviously loads before mythbackend. Right now I'm using /etc/conf.d/local.start to run the ivtvctl commands.

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kormoc:

ivtvctl isn't usually called

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kormoc:

myth uses the V4L interface to control the card

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Shikkie:

any idea on troubleshooting this segmenation fault? I've followed the guide on http://wilsonet.com/mythtv/fcmyth.php to the letter so far

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kormoc:

Shikkie, you can try running it via strace

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kormoc:

strace mythtv-setup

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Shikkie:

kormoc, I did, I've got an output file but I have no clue what to look for in that file

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kormoc:

you can post it up in a pastebin

[05:01:03]

Shikkie:

posting... it's slow

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Shikkie:

my internet must be dededee, but ... there it goes. here it is: http://shikkie.pastebin.com/835091

[05:03:42]

Shikkie:

aw man, I think it truncated.

[05:04:19]

Shikkie:

i'm thinking maybe my nvidia drivers are the problem

[05:04:41]

Shikkie:

it seems like it's doing that in that timeframe

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Shikkie:

well damn

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Shikkie:

that's it

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Mrgoose:

hey, what do i need to do hdtv on my myth box i already have a pvr-250

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Mrgoose:

and an Antenna

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Shikkie:

you'd need an hdtv tuner card; I don't believe the pvr series is hd

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Mrgoose:

ahh

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Mrgoose:

so i wont need my pvr-250 anymore?

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Shikkie:

now what I do w/ my media center

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kormoc:

Mrgoose, aye, the pvr-250 can't receiver HDTV

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Mrgoose:

cool

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irata:

anyone know why it is that manual scheduling will not record on composite?

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Shikkie:

my hd box goes into my tuner via s-video. it looks good but it's not HD level; the few hd chans I get I can change my tv input for.

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Mrgoose:

Shikkie: what do you do?

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Shikkie:

so I'm not really attaining HD recordings

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kormoc:

Mrgoose, if you're in the us, you can get a cable box with firewire out and record directly off of the firewire

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Mrgoose:

inside of mythtv?

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kormoc:

aye

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Mrgoose:

which cable box works?

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kormoc:

uhh

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kormoc:

might want to check the wiki (wiki.mythtv.org)

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Mrgoose:

cool

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Mrgoose:

so i would need like a pcHDTV HD-3000 and antenna for hdtv on myth

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Mrgoose:

cool

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kormoc:

aye, or just the firewire cable box

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kormoc:

xris, and SlicerDicer- both use firewire and are very happy with it

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Mrgoose:

what if my cable company doesn't support that certain cable box

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kormoc:

they have to by law

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kormoc:

at least support firewire out

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Mrgoose:

oh i thought you had to use the cable box they provided

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kormoc:

yeah, you do

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Mrgoose:

soo thats what im saying

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Mrgoose:

how would this one work

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kormoc:

but us law states that if you have a HD subscription, they have to provide you a firewire capable cable box on your request

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Mrgoose:

ahh so i just ask for one with firewire output

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kormoc:

aye

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Mrgoose:

cool

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Mrgoose:

how does mythtv know the firewire box is connected, im not seeing any guides

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kormoc:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/FireWire

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Mrgoose:

ahh i was looking for hd

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Mrgoose:

is the xbox any good as a frontend? i heard it was slow or something

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kormoc:

it's okay for SD, not for hd

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Shikkie:

ick. updated my nvidia drivers and now the display is really bad, bad colors and stuff

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kormoc:

try disabling renderaccell

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Shikkie:

where is that?

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kormoc:

in your xorg.conf

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Shikkie:

i can't even find it in the file

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kormoc:

you might need to add it

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Shikkie:

where would it go?

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kormoc:

in the Device section

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kormoc:

Option "RenderAccel" "False"

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Shikkie:

looks better now

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Shikkie:

opengl > qt for rendering I assume?

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kormoc:

meh, there's only one opengl effect right now

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kormoc:

a fade between menus

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Shikkie:

in terms of rednering speed?

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kormoc:

no real difference

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Shikkie:

I'm seeing horizontal lines in fast moving stuff

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kormoc:

try playing with different deinterlacings

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Shikkie:

where in setup is that?

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kormoc:

frontend -> playback settings

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Chicago:

kormoc: Well, I added an entry to gentoo-wiki about the yuv_fixup ivtv option. I'd like to document the best dnr_spatial dnr_temporal settings as well. http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Setup_TV_Input_f . . . R-150_issues

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vandebo:

hey all – I just setup mythtv a couple days ago & didn't see the answer to my question in the archive — new recordings aren't showing up in the media library. Are they supposed to be somehwere else, or is something wrong

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Chicago:

kormoc: I thought this was a good place to wiki as well. http://gentoo-wiki.com/HARDWARE_PVR_500_Setup . . . les.d.2Fivtv

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Chicago:

I wonder if those changes to the wiki will stick/become official? I didn't have to login to modify the page.

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kenguru:

morning

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Captain_Murdoch:

kenguru: running mythfilldatabase from cron or from command-line?

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kenguru:

from commandline.

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kenguru:

i have tried to set mysql passwords same as /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt says.

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Captain_Murdoch:

try running with "-v all" and see if it says anything useful. also, make sure there isn't a mysql.txt in the current directory that has a different password. make sure you have only one mysql.txt file anywhere on your system.

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kenguru:

mythweb works, frontend works, but mythfilldatabase just nags.

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lotia:

any gentoo users on?

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lotia:

if so, does the latest ebuild (not layman overlay) work with the hdhomerun in qam mode?

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kenguru:

Captain_Murdoch, that was it, i found several mysql.txt's should i delete all other except /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt ?

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Captain_Murdoch:

yes, delete all but the correct one.

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Captain_Murdoch:

myth searches in several places, including the current directory.

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kenguru:

okay, now that works, but my epg won't work.

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kenguru:

i'm using that tv_grab_ script

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Captain_Murdoch:

don't know anything about that. I use mythfilldatabase with zap2it data since I'm in the U.S.

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vandebo:

newbie with a question-- new recordings aren't showing up in the media library. Are they supposed to be somehwere else, or is something wrong?

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siXy:

supposed to be media libary > recordings

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vandebo:

Yea, the first couple things I recorded showed up there, but nothing new is showing up. I can see the new recording on the filesystem, but...

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Captain_Murdoch:

check your recording group to make sure you're looking in the right one. use the MENU key from the Watch Recordings screen.

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vandebo:

Cool! thanks.

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vandebo:

Is there any way of figuring out what the valid keys for a particular screen are, aside from trying them all?

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Captain_Murdoch:

keys.txt

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Captain_Murdoch:

'locate keys.txt', it's in the main source directory if you're installing from source.

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vandebo:

great, thanks.

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kenguru:

enlight me a bit, is there some issue with philips saa7146 card and fetching EIT data / tuning channels? i had to import channels.conf myself to get channels.

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kenguru:

so when using import channels.conf would it fetch that transportid or whatever it might be needed to fetch EIT data from broadcast?

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nuonguy:

After today's mythtv update, I can again play .mp4 files! yay!

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janneg:

kenguru: rescan all known transports, it should populate the needed info for EIT

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janneg:

scanning does work with saa7146 based cards and EIT too. Is it DVB-S or -C? then you might have entered not all needed info into the scan dialog

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kenguru:

janneg, it's dvb-c and it nagged about network that isn't correct when imported channels from channels.conf

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kenguru:

networkid

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janneg:

kenguru: do you use svn trunk or 0.20-fixes?

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kenguru:

i use 0.20–3 mythtv

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janneg:

packaged 0.20-fixes I assume. Do you live in finland?

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Ruleke:

Let's see if head has the same PID issue...

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janneg:

Ruleke: the scanner, proably yes. but recordings should also work fine with 0.20-fixes

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Ruleke:

they don't

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Ruleke:

I managed to scan successfully with 0.20-fixes yesterday

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Ruleke:

but recording fails

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janneg:

it shouldn't

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Ruleke:

DVBRec(0) Error: Failed to set demux filter.

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Ruleke:

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