Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Thursday, November 23rd, 2006, 00:00 UTC

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r3m0t:

it says playing (I launched it from a console) but I see no new window

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kormoc:

try gmplayer /dev/video0

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r3m0t:

I get a thin MPlayer window which is black inside, and a square "MPlayer – Video" window which is white inside

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r3m0t:

running it under sudo didn't help

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kormoc:

your mplayer might be broken

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kormoc:

you could try xine or another video player

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r3m0t:

ok, installing gxine

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r3m0t:

The xine engine failed to start.No demuxer found – stream format not recognised.

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r3m0t:

:-(

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r3m0t:

kormoc: any ideas?

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kormoc:

sounds like none of your video players support mpeg-2

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r3m0t:

what package do I need?

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r3m0t:

libmpeg2–4?

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r3m0t:

it tragically failed. how about gstreamer + ffmpeg

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r3m0t:

hum hum. ok, I give up for today

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r3m0t:

thanks anyway, kormoc

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Daviey:

Hi, anybody got a good boot splashy screen?

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Daviey:

(ie mythtv theme)

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Daviey:

Okay, Anybody got a BIG mythtv logo?

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Zider:

I wish there was something I could do to speed up the BIOS boot..

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Daviey:

Zider, presumably you have disabled memory check and ide auto detection?

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Zider:

Daviey: yes

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Zider:

it still takes bloody forever

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Zider:

also, it refuses to run my memory at the right speed.. but that's another issue.. ;)

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opello:

Juski: got my badges today, thanks!

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robbins876:

Sometimes mythcommflag or mythbackend start to hog my system resources... between 60–99% usually... is there a way to throttle these two apps to use a smaller portion of my cpu power?

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Zider:

nice should at least make it use cpu more nicely

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Loto:

there is a # of jobs to run setting

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Loto:

and a cpu usage setting (low med high)

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Honk^away:

there's no way to use yuvdenoise (the stuff used by nuvexport) as filter for recordings, is there?

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kash:

does MythTV need Qt 4 or 3 ?

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Zider:

3

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kash:

oh

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kash:

so if i have 4 installed instead of 3.. ?

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seth|home:

you have to have a qt3 installed as well, then export the library path to reference the qt3 .vs qt4

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kash:

hm

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seth|home:

my sabayon/gentoo install came with qt4, I just emerged qt3, then changed the library path

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hjohnson:

ok, I really need to do my expense report

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** xris grumbles about slow access to file info in nuvexport. **

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Captain_Murdoch:

xris, I ran that build_translation.pl script and there are some things that show up in my diff now that I didn't touch, like the french translation of "Advanced Options" shows a diff on the letter after "advanc"

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Captain_Murdoch:

I ran "svn update" to doublecheck that I had the latest checkout.

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xris:

Captain_Murdoch: odd

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xris:

it's not supposed to touch stuff that way.

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xris:

only thing I can think of is if you're not running utf-8?

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Captain_Murdoch:

I can easily hand-edit, but was just curious. could be my old RH9-based system screwing things up.

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xris:

might be

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xris:

non-unicode-aware is my only guess, and rh9 wasn't by default

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Captain_Murdoch:

didn't screw up much so it was easy to delete out of the .diff file. one less thing on my TODO now. had recordings load-balanced to 2 different directories at the same time on each of my backends tonight. was a nice sight to see.

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jams:

very cool

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Captain_Murdoch:

for the free space info in MythWeb now, does it only display the free space on the master backend? appears so by looking at the code, but I'm in a broken state since I modified the command it uses so I can't verify.

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Captain_Murdoch:

should have said filesystems, because the code is smart enough to detect if directories are on a shared filesystem as well as machines that share directories/filesystems. :)

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xris:

yeah, only the backend

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xris:

er, master

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xris:

I have notes about adding the rest, but haven't gotten to it yet

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Captain_Murdoch:

the new query command sends a list of all directories with a summary at the end. I can easily make a new backend command that just returns the summary for now so it can be used by MythWeb. for detailed info, the user can look at the backend status webpage which details all filesystems, what directories are on them, and their total/used/free space.

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xris:

nah, it's easy enough to grab the summary from the current one

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jams:

xris, any thoughts/objections to moving the dbconfig stuff of mythweb outside of .htaccess. Lighttpd doesn't really like using .htaccess

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xris:

jams: does it have anything like mod_env?

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xris:

I don't know how much of mythweb will WORK in lighthtpd

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jams:

it all works, just need to change the rewrite rules and the dbconfig stuff

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jams:

one moment while i look for mod_env

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Captain_Murdoch:

xris: the current QUERY_FREE_SPACE command is changing though, becuase it needs to handle multiple directories/filesystems. so I need to fix mythweb to handle the new response or just make a simpler command that just returns the summary and have mythweb use that.

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xris:

the only thing that really matters is if php gets that info from the server data, or the environment.

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xris:

Captain_Murdoch: ok. I'd vote for the summary-only command for now, then.

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Captain_Murdoch:

yeah, it's simple enough for me to do and requires the least change in mythweb code. could be useful in other places also.

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xris:

good enough.

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jams:

it works if I move the db values to config/include.php or even explictly set it, in the lighttpd config file

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xris:

jams: would be better on me to just include special instructions for lighttpd

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sdlnxgk:

Happy Thanksgiving Everyone !!!

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xris:

jams: at least until I start including a conf file to specifically enable things

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jams:

ok

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xris:

how different is the config for lighttpd vs httpd.conf

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jams:

I was hoping to just include a conf file, so that mythweb itself doens't need to be changed

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xris:

jams: I'm more than happy to add that.

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xris:

been pondering doing that for mythweb instead of the htaccess stuff, too.

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jams:

not a huge difference, but if you can read the apache config then lightptd will be pretty easy

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jams:

cool, who knows I may even come up with a patch for that =)

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jams:

the rewrite rules are the next thing I need to tackle. Things work but only if mythweb resides at /

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xris:

ah, yeah.. no htaccess and it'll do that

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jams:

apache just seemed like overkill for what i'm doing, so thought I would give lighttpd a try

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jams:

besides I work with apache all day anyhow. Might as well expand my skills a bit

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rtsai:

can anyone adjust picture brightness via OSD menu?

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rtsai:

I always get "-1%"

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Feclar:

Hi, looking for a suggestion with all these mediacenter/pvr systems out there, I need something that can play video/audio files and dvd's in 1–3 locations bedroom/living room/office, thinking of having a centeral file server and all those units able to get the files from the file server, i have a bunch of PC hardware (athlon64/celerons 6gb ram, some misc tv tuner) and a spare xbox, what software setup do you guys suggest?

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Feclar:

oh and no keyboard mouse, hopefully everything from some sort of remote control

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GreyFoxx:

You are describe myth and it's plugins :)

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GreyFoxx:

descrbing

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Captain_Murdoch:

:)

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siXy:

if you want independant music/video whatever in the three rooms, you will need multiple x displays and some fancy init scripts and a lot of lirc trickery

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Feclar:

hmm i need to have remote x sessions?

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Feclar:

and yea i want it to be independant, not so big on the TV portion, I havnt had cable for like 5 years or something.

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siXy:

no – you dont need remote sessions. you have a gfx card fo each output (or use dual head graphics cards) then use different local x screens for each one

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Feclar:

what is lirc?

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siXy:

Feclar, I work for a company that sells boxes that do that. i can give you some pointers, but obviously i cant give away our custom scripts etc

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Feclar:

ahh ir remote.

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siXy:

yes, although rf remotes are prefferable in my opinion

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Feclar:

well is mythTV the best setup for what i need? or is it more just for TV recording?

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siXy:

yes

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siXy:

sorry that was abigous. yes it is the best for what you need :)

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Feclar:

what do you think of useing xbox/playstations as head units?

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siXy:

ive no idea about conosles – ive never owned any :)

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siXy:

people do use xboxes as frontneds however, but im unsure how well they work

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siXy:

brb

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Captain_Murdoch:

there are a couple xbox distros for Myth I believe, or you may be able to use the UPNP functionality of Myth as well with other software on the Xbox. the Xbox won't do HD video because of the CPU speed (P3–700 or 733 I believe)

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Feclar:

which distro you suggest? i used to use linux back in the 1.x kernel age alot, but not so much in last few years?

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siXy:

Feclar, dont use ubuntu. fedora or gentoo are the top contenders at the moment

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Feclar:

was looking at ubuntu it seems to be popular outside of mythTV, any reason why you suggest against it?

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siXy:

Feclar, sorry – had to restart this box.

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siXy:

ubuntu has issues with the way it initialises hardware that makes it eminently unsuitable for running multiple x screens.

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jsheedy:

I have two systems, one system will hold the database, the second has tvtuner card, would I run the mythbackend on the db system or the one with tuner card? both linux if that matters.

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siXy:

te one with the tuner card. but it is strongly advisable to run a database on the same box as the backend

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siXy:

and there is no real reason not to do so; mysql requires so few resources when compared to mythbackend that its presence will not be felt.

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jsheedy:

ok, thanks

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hjohnson:

hay, anyone know of a nice, small, HTPC case for an EPIA that has an LCD, or preferably, VFD display?

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kslater:

hjohnson, have you checked mini-box.com?

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kslater:

they seem to have some nice cases

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kslater:

which epia mobo did you say you have?

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hjohnson:

i'm looking at buyin gan EN13000

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hjohnson:

wich is the one with the 1.2Ghz C7

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kslater:

I'm going to go have a look

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hjohnson:

and their unichrome pro graphics chipset.. someone here was reporting doing very good quality video with little CPU power

[06:38:07]

kslater:

probably me

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kslater:

I was just playing back another HD OTA recording

[06:38:56]

kslater:

but I can't do it inside mythtv, I can make the recording just fine, but I need the special xine to play it back.

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siXy:

hjohnson, try ahanix

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hjohnson:

i'd liie something nice and understated for my living room

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siXy:

ahanix defiatnely fits the bill

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hjohnson:

siXy: those are fugly

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siXy:

http://www.ahanix.com/products/mce/

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hjohnson:

they're neither petite nor understated. :)

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siXy:

umm are you sure your looking in the right place?

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hjohnson:

yep, at that URL right now

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siXy:

mce 301?

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hjohnson:

the machine will have absolutely no drives, nor expansion cards

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hjohnson:

well, other than an optical drive

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siXy:

well personally i prefer my cases to fit with my (reletively expensive) hifi equipment

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siXy:

but as we have seen, tastes vary ;)

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hjohnson:

siXy: so do I, but lal my gear is black

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hjohnson:

oh, they do have a blakc bersion

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hjohnson:

version

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hjohnson:

still far more than what i'd want.. slimlin and smaller

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siXy:

they come in black too. also look at silverstone cases – lc-19m might be more up your street.

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siXy:

http://www.silverstonetek.com/product-case.htm

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siXy:

especially lc-19, lc-09 and lc-05

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siXy:

or lc-08 if you want a vfd

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hjohnson:

morex makes a nice thing too

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hjohnson:

now what would be interesting is to take the LC09 into the shop at work, and mod the front to take a VFD display

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siXy:

not hard, especially if you have a milling machine

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robbins876:

When I drink milk I get the worst gas. It never fails!

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xris:

that's what we call an "over share" :)

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Speedy2:

That's because you're probably lactose intolerant.

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robbins876:

For sure, but I never think to do anything about it

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robbins876:

I love milk.

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Speedy2:

Not a surprise...we're not supposed to be consuming dairy past age 1 or 2 (and that even being mother's milk)

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robbins876:

I just drink fat free milk, so it's not really that bad for you

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robbins876:

What's better for you, fat free milk or skim milk? what's the difference

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robbins876:

?

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anxt:

milk sucks

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Captain_Murdoch:

actually, it gets sucked... :)

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** Captain_Murdoch goes (back) to sleep... **

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** ivor goes for a glass of milk **

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anxt:

indeed

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anxt:

i am not a baby cow

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anxt:

so i don't drink it

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anxt:

too rich

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anxt:

skim is ok once in a while

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** anxt jockeys for position on hind tit **

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mchou:

anyone have a CoolerMaster "Centurion" case?

[09:00:41]

mchou:

SVC has it (with PSU) on sale for $10 AR....

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mchou:

just wondering if it's worth the trouble

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Dagmar:

Only if it doesn't have "toolless" drive bays

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Dagmar:

Their idea of toolless contruction is pretty damn obnoxious

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mchou:

Dagmar: are yousaying toolless is good or bad?

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Dagmar:

I'm saying *theirs* is bad

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Dagmar:

I got their AMMO 533 case in yesterdya

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mchou:

Dagmar: so you've seen one up close?

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Dagmar:

I basically had to remove the toolless thingy from two of the drive bays and revert to screws

[09:02:58]

Dagmar:

Yep. The rest of the Ammo 533 at least is reasonable

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mchou:

hehe

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Dagmar:

They use sliding pegs to push into the screw holes on drives, which basically does not work if you have a *cushioned* 3.5 to 5.25 drive adapter

[09:04:10]

Dagmar:

Since it can flex, those little pegs simply ain't going to hold it in place

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Dagmar:

...and the hard drive bays use those damn rails, so I couldn't exactly mount two drives with their own cooling fans in a place meant for three because of it

[09:05:35]

Dagmar:

So as long as the thing uses "evil" tools-require drive bays, you should probably be fine

[09:06:03]

mchou:

I think this is the one: http://www.svc.com/rc-531-kkn1.html

[09:06:30]

Dagmar:

Run away unless you can deal with those drive bays

[09:06:46]

Dagmar:

Third image from the top

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mchou:

Dagmar: I dont get it. You cant just take those out and use screws?

[09:07:27]

Dagmar:

mchou: You *have* to, and the hard drive enclosure at the bottom uses rails you snap onto the *drives* so you *can't* use screws there

[09:07:59]

Dagmar:

Meaning whether you like it or not, drives put in that little box are going to be about 6mm apart

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Dagmar:

The only saving grace of that is that there's a fan right next to the thing, but I still would rather have used the Vantec coolers I got

[09:08:49]

Dagmar:

I ain't buying anyone else's drive coolers from now on

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Dagmar:

That goes double for anything CompUSA sells

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Dagmar:

I got one of each of the types they usually carry, including their "premium" (most expensive) one. None lasted more than four months

[09:09:42]

mchou:

Dagmar: why nit just use 120mm fan to cool drives?

[09:09:51]

mchou:

not*

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Dagmar:

The Vantec ones I've bought are still going after a year

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mchou:

Dagmar: how big are these vantec fans?

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Dagmar:

mchou: Because the drive coolers you can strap onto the bottom of the drive can be obtained with aluminum heat sink fins that contact the chassis of the drive and draw the heat out

[09:11:01]

Dagmar:

They're the usual size for drive coolers. They've got a couple of models, either one 70mm fan or two 40mm fans

[09:11:41]

Dagmar:

I've been seeing a 3–5 degree difference in the two drives I've been testing models with the aluminim finned element

[09:12:19]

Dagmar:

...so apparently the things can pull a bit more heat out just from the edges of the drive chassis that they're screwed down into

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Dagmar:

I'm keeping a close eye on the two 250Gb's I've got in that bottom cage with smartmon to decide whether or not I want to try to put a third in there like that

[09:14:34]

Daviey:

Hi, does anybody know where i can find a big mythtv logo?

[09:15:12]

mchou:

Daviey: ask yer wife to define "big" :)

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Daviey:

3 inch

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mchou:

lol

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mchou:

that's not big

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Dagmar:

JuskI *might* still have the URL for the eps file he made

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Daviey:

well the biggest you know of

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Dagmar:

It would be the eps file, because it's vector format

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Daviey:

Dagmar, sorry – i thought you were talking to somebody else

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Daviey:

Juski, has been idle for over 2 hours! :(

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qu0zl:

ask his boss, he's been idle for the last 2 months

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qu0zl:

;)

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xris:

Daviey: biggest I could get out of isaac is here: http://www.siliconmechanics.com/img/1624/orig/mythtv.png

[09:21:25]

otwin:

here's a huge version although not vectorized: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Logo_Contest

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Daviey:

xris, Thanks, but i think thats gonna be too small

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Daviey:

:(

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xris:

Daviey: yeah. I think the source for the original got lost.. or never was very big.

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mchou:

I'm disappointed. Lousy Black Friday deals this year

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Daviey:

otwin, that is ideal!! Thanks

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xris:

Daviey: not the official logo, of course.

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Juski:

Daviey: gimme a sec

[09:26:14]

Juski:

http://www.mythtvtalk.com/ProjectGrayhem/images/newlogo.png

[09:26:41]

Juski:

it's quite big I think you'll find

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xris:

too shiny. heh

[09:27:05]

Juski:

what do you need it for anyway?

[09:27:32]

Juski:

someone did an eps version but it didn't look very much like the original

[09:27:41]

Juski:

svg I mean

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Daviey:

Juski, thats great.. thanx

[09:29:15]

Juski:

anyway the original eps of the text is there, if you rescale the old blue theme's background you can get a good looking background.. the rest is photoshop 101

[09:29:30]

Juski:

so what's it for?

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Daviey:

two things. but the first is a boot splash for a frontend

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Juski:

and the other?

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Daviey:

seconds is a development project, but i'm not sure where it's going ;)

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xris:

later, all.. way past time for me to sleep.

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Juski:

a development project?

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Juski:

does get much more vague than that does it? now I'm very curious

[09:33:45]

Juski:

I did think for a sec you're gonna take over exhibiting mythtv in the UK now I've decided not to do anymore

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ivor:

Juski: ! eh. what.... did I miss something?

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qu0zl:

what music players have people integrated with their mythtv boxes? I was thinking of trying to launch amarok from a mythtv menu item and see if i can control it via lirc

[09:57:33]

qu0zl:

anybody suggest a better choice than amarok?

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ivor:

yeah, rewrite mythmusic

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qu0zl:

yeah, i'll put that on my todo list ;)

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ivor:

I don;t think any "generic" music player is going to be adequate.

[10:03:52]

ivor:

it needs to be designed for remote/TV use.

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qu0zl:

yep, that's why i'm hoping someone can suggest one that is. otherwise it's irxevents :(

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pat_:

it would probably be pretty easy to hack up a mythplugin to work with mserv as the backend

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qu0zl:

hmm that looks interesting alright pat_, thanks

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pat_:

cd

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pat_:

qu0zl: I use mymp3s as the frontend for mserv, I've put it up at http://www.panic.id.au/mymp3/ because it has sort of disappeared from the web

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qu0zl:

thank you pat_ . Does that have native lirc support, do you use irxevent, or a keyboard?

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pat_:

I use my laptop with that :)

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pat_:

it is a php web frontend for it

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pat_:

at worst you could try it in mythweb

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Juski:

ivor: personal reasons mostly. I'm less fanatical about mythtv these days

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pat_:

s/mythweb/whatever the browser is called/

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Merlin83b:

mythbrowser

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psofa:

anyone knows which nvidias support composite sync signal for use with an vga to scart converter?

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Juski:

they don't

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Juski:

you have to combine h & v sync with a circuit

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psofa:

are you sure? i know that atis can

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psofa:

and im reading that some nvidias can

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psofa:

but im not sure if thats fud

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qu0zl:

they don't psofa

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qu0zl:

unfortunately

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Juski:

AFAIK you get separate syncs out of nvidia cards

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Juski:

and as far as interlaced modelines are concerned not all cards/drivers support them

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psofa:

damn

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psofa:

just soldering the wires seemed easy

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psofa:

but now the transistor thing is annoying

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qu0zl:

psofa, i found a guy on ebay who makes vga to scart cables to the ati and asked him about one with the sync combininhg circuit. He said he's testing them currently. Want me to dig up his email?

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Juski:

annoying but necessary

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psofa:

qu0zl, sure

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psofa:

Juski, so you've made one?

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qu0zl:

contact@mysimplemedia.com psofa

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Juski:

I did. never got it to work. got distracted with other stuff

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qu0zl:

he's uk based i think

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natoka:

hi

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psofa:

qu0zl, thanks

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qu0zl:

no worries, the more people who email him looking to buy one the faster he'll get them ready to ship i figure ;)

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psofa:

but now that im thinking it i realize im a lazy fag since i had soldered transistors like this for a course once

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Juski:

one thing putting me off is the fact my local electronics shops no longer sell a wide choice of transistors :(

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psofa:

getting a perfect interlaced mode is so appealing

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psofa:

i cant resist

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psofa:

plus i have a soldering iron

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psofa:

iirc i have the transistor needed

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psofa:

maybe i can rip it apart from the course's project

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psofa:

err maybe i can see if the card supports composite sync ? any way?

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Juski:

bc184. they might've been the ones maplin discontinued, though _any_ npn small signal thing would do

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Juski:

psofa: it doesn't

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psofa:

Juski, i read that in ms windows you can check if the box csync is grayed out

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qu0zl:

psofa, try google. but i bet you it doesn't. what card is it exactly?

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psofa:

7100 gs

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psofa:

if it supported it wouldnt it appear on the modelines?

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psofa:

ill check

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Hoxzer:

vitTU!

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Hoxzer:

sry finnish but cursing is baad so I used my own language

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Hoxzer:

I came late to the test -> I CHECKED class room wrong -> geez, it was embarrashing to know wrong door /me kills himself -> dunno what to do

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Hoxzer:

well, I found the right calss room :)

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Hoxzer:

but anyways it was embarrasing

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Hoxzer:

anyways I Dont ahve this thing called "reputation" so it doesn't really matter

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qu0zl:

heh i did the same in college once Hoxzer. Exam wasn't on where i thought it was an i was 5 minutes late already

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qu0zl:

bit of a panic finding the damn thing :)

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Hoxzer:

yeah :/

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qu0zl:

they don't let people in after 30 minutes late where i went to college

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Hoxzer:

well, same here at regular lessons

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Hoxzer:

but when in test there is two times you can enter the room

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Hoxzer:

but anyways soon I get to build wireless hotspot "into" my mythbox

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hydroksyde:

ubuntu CDs are like zerglings

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hydroksyde:

</OT>

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visit0r:

qu0zl: same here, except I came in the wrong day, the exam was the next day. pretty embarassing.

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qu0zl:

lol

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qu0zl:

better than the other way around at least

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fragged:

Hey, I'm hoping somebody can give me some advice, putting together a HTPC, ordering parts tomorrow morning, and at the moment I'm looking at a XpertVision GF6500, I just wanna know if the cards RCA, S-Video and HMDI outputs are up to scratch, and if its fully supported by MythTV with little or no messing around

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Juski:

mythtv doesn't support VGA cards

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Juski:

(but Linux does)

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Juski:

MythTV != operating system

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Merlin83b2:

Go pedantry ;-)

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Merlin83b:

Indeed.

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Juski:

well if the card turned out to not work, if he was to blame mythtv it'd be somewhat misplaced ;)

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psofa:

:p

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ivor:

Juski: re.

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psofa:

good ! someone started mantaining ivtv gentoo ebuilds

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ivor:

Juski: found something else to do/work on? you seemed "fanatical" enough last month. :(

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Juski:

not so much that. more the fact it doesn't seem as rosy as it used to. plus I need to get a life

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ivor:

oh. hmm.

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Juski:

was all going well til I upgraded tbh

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ivor:

hmmm, more of a "user" problem than a myth problem? :P

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ivor:

working peachy here.

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ivor:

to be honest the move 18->19 was pretty rocky for epia too IIRC

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Juski:

not so much that I don't think. hell the frontend had exactly the same settings as before. but take control out of the hands of a user (i.e. minimyth) & stuff can go wrong

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Juski:

ubuntu is pretty much 'there' but it takes too damn long to boot

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ivor:

and it took ages to get a bugfree version.

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Juski:

wrong hardware apparently

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Juski:

still, with the help of a crowbar I should be able to trim ubuntu's boot time down some

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fragged:

ok so whats the answer to my question above if i changed mythtv to linux?

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GreyFoxx:

How long does it take for your machine to boot it ?

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Juski:

there are still some toys left in the pram anyway.

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fragged:

does it support rca/svideo/hmdi?

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Juski:

GreyFoxx: about 1'20"

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GreyFoxx:

WOW

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ivor:

GreyFoxx: I got down to 44 secs, and stopped polishing.

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GreyFoxx:

That's nuts

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Juski:

fragged: if it's nvidia, read the nvidia driver docs :)

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Juski:

that was after I shaved a fair bit of time off

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ivor:

I reckon there's another 10secs to squeeze.

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Juski:

I stopped as many services as I dared

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GreyFoxx:

That's crazy

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Juski:

about as much as I could do without using initng

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Juski:

and I'm not even using a DE

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** GreyFoxx reboots the frontend at the office and times it **

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ivor:

:)

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** ivor starts his stopwatch. **

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GreyFoxx:

I adding a line to the end of the rc.local which is the last item processed

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GreyFoxx:

so I can check the logs and know for sure

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RaYmAn-Bx:

hmm, can anyone give any ideas as to why channels are suddenly unable to tune (except for sound), unless I go and manually ivtv-tune to a channel..After doing that all channels suddenly work where none worked before

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RaYmAn-Bx:

mythtv 0.20-fixes with PVR 500

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RaYmAn-Bx:

it seems to happen seperately on both tuners

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GreyFoxx:

34 seconds from first nfsmount of /, 21 seconds from the first kernel message in the log (remote systelog)

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GreyFoxx:

I've never attempted to shorten it

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ivor:

GreyFoxx: so overall time from hiting the power button to getting the myth menu?

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GreyFoxx:

ivor: yup

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GreyFoxx:

nfsrooted msntv2 frontend

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GreyFoxx:

my desktop machine boots faster

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GreyFoxx:

(local harddrive and such)

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Juski:

that's slack though.. not umbongo

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GreyFoxx:

true enough

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Juski:

maybe I can shave even more off by only loading necessary modules

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psofa:

Juski, now that im thinking it, why cant we just get proper interlaced modes with svideo out on nvidia?I mean its obviously a driver limitation not hardware.The tvout encoder could pretend beeing an interlaced display so X would be running interlaced etc....

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Juski:

the tv encoder already DOES output interlaced

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psofa:

yes

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psofa:

but X doesnt know anything about it

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Juski:

just that both fields are the same :-P

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psofa:

iirc X sees the encoder as a monitor and outputs progressive to it right?

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psofa:

then the encoder samples the signal and outputs to the TV interlaced

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psofa:

however X doesnt have control on the sampling proccess

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Juski:

I dunno

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Juski:

not sure if there's odd/even field marking if that's what you mean

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Juski:

interlaced mode support comes & goes in nvidia drivers

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psofa:

Juski, do you know from experience?

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Juski:

and ivor: yeah maybe my gripe isn't with mythtv itself but the community. I just felt like we didn't accomplish much doing the expo, in hindsight

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Juski:

psofa i know from trying

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psofa:

the tv encoder just shows some modes it supports only by resolution.It doesnt say if the mode is interlaced or not

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psofa:

for example on normal monitors it displays the full modeline details

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ivor:

Juski: you felt let down by the expo? pah. how do you think I felt! :)

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rogue780:

expo?

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bobdole:

hey, when trying to do a "make" on the svn on mythtv on Fedora 6, i get the following error: /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lxmu collect2: ld returned 1 exit status

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frankrizzo:

there we go, now I have my correct name

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Juski:

ivor: yeah well. maybe if it was less of a thankless task. not that I was ever under any illusions that I'd get a bloody medal or summat

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rogue780:

!lirc

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rogue780:

so...this is lively

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frankrizzo:

yeah

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frankrizzo:

very

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Juski:

what did you expect?

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Juski:

if we were all glitterring socialites we'd not be here anyway :-P

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rogue780:

I dunno. I suppose I'm spoiled by the #ubuntu channel

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frankrizzo:

i brought my mythtv box to my parents house to work on it, their cable internet is about 100 times faster than mine

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frankrizzo:

doing yum sucks at my apartment

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rogue780:

anyone know how to install ati video drives for fedora?

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Daviey:

is HDMI significantly better than VGA?

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Daviey:

Have you guys attempted pixel matching?

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quicksilver:

HDMI is audio and video

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quicksilver:

for comparing merely the video part

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quicksilver:

HDMI should be comparable to DVI

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quicksilver:

and yes, it's significantly better than VGA if you have good enough quality stuff to test it on

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Daviey:

hmm... i will be using a DVI to HDMI adapter cable

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quicksilver:

broadly speaking the 'video part of HDMI' is much like DVI

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Daviey:

currently i am suffering from large areas of colour pixeling.

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quicksilver:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HDMI

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quicksilver:

for more than you would ever want to know

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quicksilver:

what do you mean by 'pixelling'?

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quicksilver:

large square blocks?

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Daviey:

yeah

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Daviey:

but the almost sparkle

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quicksilver:

that's got nothing to do with your cables

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quicksilver:

that's a compression artefacrt

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Daviey:

oh :(

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Daviey:

it's dvb transmitted mpeg

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quicksilver:

all the consumer video formats (DVD, DVB-(T,S,C)) have compression artefacts because they're all variations the MPEG theme

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quicksilver:

some are much worse than others

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quicksilver:

cheap DVD compilations from the far east where they fit 8 hours onto a single DVD will be much worse than a good quality BBC DVD

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quicksilver:

but none of them will be perfect :)

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Daviey:

:(

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Daviey:

i wondered if it was my de-interlace settings. Or my Xsettings

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quicksilver:

de-interlace being wrong can give you artefacts but not the 'big square' kind

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quicksilver:

Xsettings, surely not

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Daviey:

oh okay. Thanks for you advice

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quicksilver:

it is a disadvantage of having a really good quality TV

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quicksilver:

you can perceive the problems in your video

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quicksilver:

if you have a shitty 24" CRT like me :)

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quicksilver:

then everything looks wonderful

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Daviey:

yeah!

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Daviey:

i've been using a 19" TFT for the last year. But i had a 32" LCD TV delievered yesterday. Thought i'd be more impressed with the quality

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quicksilver:

that's how they suck you in

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Daviey:

so smaller is better! woohoo

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quicksilver:

then you think 'mmm I should buy a blu-ray (or hd-dvd) player to take advantage of my new tv

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quicksilver:

then you replace your dvd collection with more expensive HD versions

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quicksilver:

then you 'upgrade' your TV supplier to sky to get HD feeds

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quicksilver:

etc etc

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quicksilver:

you've been drawn into the commercial circle :)

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Daviey:

dvd collection? whats that then ;)

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quicksilver:

:)

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Daviey:

i'm really impressed that my TV has a rs-232 port (i can switch it on and off + volume, from my myth box)

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qu0zl:

that is cool Daviey, lucky

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Daviey:

yeah, but the numnuts at LG designed it with a MALE port. So you need a double female serial cable! dum

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qu0zl:

heh, probably to try and discourage muppets plugging their modem into it

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quicksilver:

there is some standard for which things have male serials and which have female

[15:07:35]

quicksilver:

but it's not like you can't pick up a gender chagner for 70p from maplins

[15:10:06]

Dibblah:

Or 50p from Singapore.

[15:10:09]

Juski:

not like you can if they know what one is

[15:10:30]

Dibblah:

Ah. DVI. Okay :)

[15:10:40]

quicksilver:

Juski: ?

[15:10:41]

Juski:

ask for a gender changer & they'll prolly give you a craft knife

[15:10:53]

quicksilver:

*blink*

[15:10:55]

qu0zl:

heh

[15:10:59]

quicksilver:

Juski: you're a bit bitter the last few days :P

[15:11:07]

Juski:

just noticed?

[15:11:07]

Dibblah:

Hint: It's not just the watches that are fake over there ;)

[15:11:21]

quicksilver:

I've never met a member of maplin's staff that didn't know what a gender changer was

[15:11:27]

quicksilver:

maybe I'm just luckier

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quicksilver:

I'm not claiming they're technical whizz-kids. If they were they'd have better jobs

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Daviey:

maplin staff here are dumb

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quicksilver:

but they do mostly know what they're selling

[15:12:01]

Juski:

they're not as bad as Comet staff, ok

[15:12:05]

Daviey:

true

[15:12:26]

Daviey:

but how do they justify selling a serial cable for Â£10?

[15:12:47]

Juski:

less likely to use the words 'digital' and 'quality' next to each other, I mean ;)

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Juski:

on the plus side a few people seem to like the new theme, so that's good :)

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psofa:

wow ! huge discussion about the way myth does livetv

[15:59:38]

psofa:

and as always its filled with "i record everything" monkeys :P

[15:59:38]

Juski:

yeah. whiners

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** psofa hides **

[16:00:04]

quicksilver:

I know that live tv hasn't acheived the WAF yet in my house

[16:00:15]

quicksilver:

but I haven't fully thought through what's wrong with it

[16:00:19]

Juski:

well come on. how many of them have any right to complain about how mythtv does livetv?

[16:00:30]

quicksilver:

(or, conversely, what's wrong with the 'W')

[16:00:54]

GreyFoxx:

LiveTV...what's that ?:)

[16:01:15]

** jams is watching livetv right now **

[16:01:17]

Juski:

you think live channel change times are unacceptable? try an NTL cable box plugged directly into your TV

[16:01:22]

psofa:

Juski, actually if this delay is truly a technical limitation i can accept it

[16:01:31]

psofa:

but i believe its just not taken care of

[16:01:40]

Juski:

so fix it then

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GreyFoxx:

psofa: You want to know what the problem is?

[16:01:53]

** psofa hides again **

[16:02:01]

Juski:

they're putting the USE into users

[16:02:23]

Juski:

that's gratitude for ya

[16:02:24]

psofa:

i can accept that its not taken care of too

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Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : -v jams

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GreyFoxx:

People who experience the delays are NOT diagnosing it or putting in any code to fix it. NOR are they giving instructions on how to replicate

[16:03:00]

psofa:

but i cant accept them saying "its the way myth works"

[16:03:24]

Juski:

I can't accept anyone saying "but it sucks" without qualifying it. THAT sucks

[16:03:35]

GreyFoxx:

They are partially correct. Some delay is inherent in the way it works and will always be there

[16:03:50]

GreyFoxx:

but people seeing 10 second change times are definately out of whack

[16:03:59]

GreyFoxx:

(not count external boxes for channel changing)

[16:04:08]

psofa:

Juski, well if it can be faster just by fixing a potential bug or doing something more efficiently id classofy it as a problem

[16:04:10]

Juski:

10 seconds? oof

[16:04:33]

psofa:

hmm okay ivtv takes 4 secs

[16:04:41]

Juski:

times I've tried my pvr150 it's faster than 5 secs

[16:04:53]

Juski:

dvb tuner takes the longest when it has to retune

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jams:

my pvr500's take less then 2

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psofa:

and switching inputs takes 10secs

[16:04:58]

quicksilver:

I *think* my major issue with livetv is how badly it copes with poor signals

[16:05:05]

GreyFoxx:

I was getting 2–3 second changes , then changed an ivtvctl setting and it's just under 1

[16:05:06]

quicksilver:

it freezes for ages on a poor signal

[16:05:08]

quicksilver:

and some times forever

[16:05:15]

GreyFoxx:

I was using it on the weekend during the mailing list complaints as a test :)

[16:05:36]

frankrizzo:

i really only watch recorded tv now, so changing time doesnt really effect me

[16:05:43]

jams:

quicksilver- are you talking about dvb and porr signals?

[16:05:45]

psofa:

there we go ... :P

[16:05:53]

jams:

poor

[16:05:54]

GreyFoxx:

The people who have it really rough are the dvb users. That's where Daniels comments on places the code can be changed to improve it come into play

[16:06:22]

quicksilver:

jams: yes

[16:06:25]

quicksilver:

jams: DVB-T

[16:06:29]

Juski:

some drivers are better than others. I know the ones I've got don't report a lock until way after a lock has been got

[16:06:30]

jams:

right

[16:06:38]

quicksilver:

could be driver, certainly

[16:06:41]

quicksilver:

I haven't looked into it

[16:07:01]

quicksilver:

it's all rather complicated :) and I haven't taken the time to become familiar with the code

[16:07:07]

GreyFoxx:

and of course the morons keep comparing to mplayer or xawtv reading directly from the device which is apples to oranges

[16:07:08]

psofa:

well ive tried the same card on vdr like a year ago and channel changes where 1 sec

[16:07:22]

Juski:

but vdr != pvr

[16:07:27]

quicksilver:

in a multiple-tuner system, with a spare tuner, you *could* save time by pretuning the next tuner to the next channel

[16:07:39]

quicksilver:

assuming the user is surfing linearly

[16:07:44]

Juski:

isn't vdr the one where you can watch livetv or record it, not both?

[16:07:56]

psofa:

Juski, you can record at the same time

[16:08:11]

GreyFoxx:

It's been a long time since I last looked at vdr

[16:08:16]

psofa:

well i was ready to betray myth last day....

[16:08:29]

Juski:

saw one bit of the thread that said as long as the devs don't use livetv it won't get seen & I can sympathise with that

[16:08:33]

psofa:

after a year i tried to intall it again

[16:08:45]

psofa:

and ewww

[16:08:51]

psofa:

its become messy

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psofa:

with all these plugins

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GreyFoxx:

Juski: Pretty much

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Juski:

but for users to demand stuff like this I just think it's rude, especially seen as nobody ever seems to offer ANYTHING constructive

[16:09:26]

Juski:

the bane of all open source

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quicksilver:

*shrugs*

[16:09:52]

Juski:

partially why I'm so bloody bitter these days tbh

[16:09:55]

quicksilver:

mythtv is pretty hardcore

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GreyFoxx:

It comes down to this. the devs rarely if ever use LiveTV, and when they do THEY DO NOT SEE THESE LONG CHANGES. So until someone who is suffering from it can either troubleshoot it, or help a dev reproduce the problem there is really no likelyhood it will get fixed

[16:10:07]

quicksilver:

yet its is widely used

[16:10:13]

quicksilver:

therefore the 'clue gap'

[16:10:20]

quicksilver:

between users and devs is bigger than for other open source apps

[16:10:31]

quicksilver:

personally speaking as a developer

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GreyFoxx:

It's like saying "X crashes on my machine, fix it!!" ./ If the dev can't reproduce the problem they can't FIX IT

[16:10:36]

quicksilver:

I'd rather have users complaining than no users

[16:10:40]

quicksilver:

you don't have to listen to them

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quicksilver:

but sometimes they give interesting feedback

[16:10:58]

Juski:

one time in 50 maybe

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psofa:

GreyFoxx, well its not the same.I find it hard to believe that non a single dev has slow tuning

[16:11:15]

psofa:

they just dont care for livetv imho

[16:11:22]

GreyFoxx:

psofa: everyone who has commented on it hasn't had a problem.

[16:11:28]

GreyFoxx:

We've discussed it a few times now

[16:11:47]

GreyFoxx:

I forinstance don't use it, but I spent some time on Saturday looking at it

[16:11:58]

quicksilver:

I think it's probably worse for DVB people

[16:12:04]

quicksilver:

and I think it's even worse if you have a bad signal

[16:12:07]

jams:

quicksilver- it is

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quicksilver:

(just my guesses)

[16:12:08]

GreyFoxx:

and I had 2–3 second changes which I found acceptable, and then got them down to 1 second

[16:12:18]

GreyFoxx:

but I still can't reproduce the 6+ second changes

[16:12:24]

Juski:

if you have a bad signal, don't blame myth though

[16:12:36]

quicksilver:

Juski: I can ask myth to handle the bad signal as gracefully as possible

[16:12:41]

GreyFoxx:

Yeah, but like Daniel says there are some things we can do to improve it for DVB users

[16:12:52]

quicksilver:

Juski: my DVB set-top box didn't crash when there was a bad signal

[16:12:53]

GreyFoxx:

he even gave a list of them that people could work on

[16:13:44]

Juski:

crashing? oops

[16:14:13]

GreyFoxx:

Out of curiousity, anyone using a recent xbmc with upnp support and has a recent (last couple days) svn myth install ?

[16:14:14]

Juski:

I've seen dvb STs that crash when you press 'tv' on the remote though – and these are products people pay for, so erm...

[16:14:14]

quicksilver:

well I think so. I gave it 10 minutes or so then killed the frontend

[16:16:57]

Juski:

whether or not it's always fair for users to have such high expectations is always gonna make a good debate ;)

[16:17:03]

GreyFoxx:

hehe

[16:17:31]

GreyFoxx:

Honestly I don't mind high expectations depending on if the user is willing to put some effort into the pot too

[16:17:42]

GreyFoxx:

Suggestions and ideas/comments are nice but only worth so much

[16:18:03]

Juski:

and 25Eur bounties ;)

[16:18:08]

GreyFoxx:

hehe that too

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quicksilver:

GreyFoxx: are you a developer?

[16:18:20]

GreyFoxx:

yes

[16:18:31]

GreyFoxx:

when I'm not feeling too lazy

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quicksilver:

GreyFoxx: did I ever mutter about hybrid cards when you were listening?

[16:18:47]

GreyFoxx:

not that I remember :)

[16:18:55]

quicksilver:

I happen to have 2 hybrid cards in my system and it would be nifty if myth's scheduler could be taught about them

[16:19:07]

quicksilver:

currently I 'pretend' one is analogue and the other digital

[16:19:17]

psofa:

but imho its easier to create your own thing that does exaclty what you need than starting to look at myths code trying to find out whats wrong

[16:19:32]

quicksilver:

how well/badly would that fit in with the scheduling code already in there?

[16:19:44]

GreyFoxx:

psofa: considering how much myth that would depend on what your needs were :)

[16:19:56]

Juski:

if it was my project I'd have canned it ages ago, so kudos to everybody who doesn't have a prediliction to chucking toys out the pram ;)

[16:19:58]

GreyFoxx:

err how much myth does

[16:20:18]

psofa:

GreyFoxx, yeah most people that whine about it its because they dont use myth's fancy features and just want responsive livetv

[16:20:22]

GreyFoxx:

psofa: If all you want is basic recording, and no buffering livetv, check out freevo

[16:20:54]

GreyFoxx:

psofa: No, most people wine cause they want their cake, to eat it, and have their chins wiped for them

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psofa:

:P

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GreyFoxx:

They want every, now, their way

[16:21:15]

Juski:

word on the street (I heard) is that freevo would like more of mythtv's features.. esp. the scheduler

[16:21:21]

GreyFoxx:

And hey, I'm human, so do I :)

[16:21:46]

GreyFoxx:

quicksilver: Can the 2 parts of the card be accessed at the same time ?

[16:21:58]

GreyFoxx:

So channel X one input 1, and Channel Y on input 2 ?>

[16:22:06]

GreyFoxx:

or is it one or the other ?

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quicksilver:

GreyFoxx: I think it's one or the other

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quicksilver:

GreyFoxx: so the scheduler has to cope with '2 cards but can only use 1 at once'

[16:23:12]

quicksilver:

(or 4 cards but can only use 2)

[16:23:38]

GreyFoxx:

psofa: And frankly (users just never seem to respond to this though it gets said over and over) if a user is having a problem they would like fixed, they need to provide MORE info than just "It's not working the way I like". If a user can help narrow down the part of the code, or provide detailed logs, or heck identify an OS/hardware possible cause someone would work on fixing it

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quicksilver:

I think there may be a problem in communication though. mythtv-users is just too many messages for most peopl eto cope with effectively

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GreyFoxx:

It's the same thing I tell my coworkers. Until you can show me how to produce a problem I've never seen , it doesn't exit

[16:24:20]

quicksilver:

I know I can't really cope with it at all

[16:24:31]

GreyFoxx:

quicksilver: It's a lot of noise

[16:24:59]

Juski:

I subscribe but don't receive emails ;)

[16:25:13]

GreyFoxx:

Heh I subscribe, and read but more and more I get close to dropping it

[16:25:16]

** GreyFoxx heads to lunch **

[16:25:24]

psofa:

GreyFoxx, true but im not talking about the random newbies that came and say "myth doesnt work!".Sometimes there are no helpful logs....

[16:25:29]

Dagmar:

Well, I at least do a little bit of analysis before I decide a bug reoprt is bogus

[16:25:44]

Dagmar:

If it's something that sounds utterly impossible, like a missing library claim, I just ignore them tho

[16:25:52]

quicksilver:

but even the volume of genuine, sensible stuff is pretty high

[16:25:58]

quicksilver:

even after you delete the obvious rubbish

[16:26:04]

quicksilver:

there is just a *lot* of users saying a *lot* of things

[16:26:23]

Juski:

bout time there was a census

[16:26:47]

Dagmar:

Question #1: Do you run Gentoo? (-100 points)

[16:26:52]

Dagmar:

;)

[16:26:58]

Hoxzer:

690

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Juski:

ubuntu isn't much better IMHO. quicker to get up & going but less easy to get to do your exact bidding

[16:27:43]

psofa:

well gentoo is pretty good if you use the ebuild system

[16:28:02]

Juski:

but then if you wanna customise stuff that much wtf are you using ubuntu (I ask myself ;) )

[16:28:02]

GreyFoxx:

psofa: And in the situation where a problem isn't apparent on my machine for instance, I can reproduce it, and you can't either pinpoint the problem OR help narrow down the problem, what precisely would you expect me to do to help fix it ? :)

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GreyFoxx:

err can't reproduce it

[16:28:19]

Dagmar:

*If* you know your arse from a hole in the ground, which is apparently arcane information among Gentoo users

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psofa:

thats true

[16:29:01]

Dagmar:

GreyFoxx: Gotta love those obversion typos

[16:29:15]

GreyFoxx:

heheh yeah, I do it all the time too heh

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Dagmar:

Sweet. I found a much cheaper place to buy more beanbag beads from

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Mattwj2005:

Happy Thanksgiving everyone!

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Mattwj2005:

:)

[16:36:22]

frankrizzo:

hi

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frankrizzo:

were you guys talking about distros for myth?

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Mattwj2005:

hi frankizzo

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imperfect-:

Happy Turkey day.

[16:36:46]

Mattwj2005:

you too imperfect

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Mattwj2005:

have you tired knoppmyth frankrizzo?

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Mattwj2005:

http://www.mysettopbox.tv/knoppmyth.html

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frankrizzo:

it isnt on 0.20 yet

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frankrizzo:

i was running fedora 5, had some major issues

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frankrizzo:

so now I am trying fedora 6

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frankrizzo:

i had stuff working, but myth archive kept on crashing

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Mattwj2005:

hmmm not sure what to say

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Mattwj2005:

I just use Knoppmyth

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Mattwj2005:

:)

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frankrizzo:

im sure it works great, but I didnt want to go with it when it is only on the older version

[16:41:13]

Juski:

there IS a0.20 knoppmyth version in testing

[16:41:25]

Juski:

but it's being kind of troublesome which is why it aint out yet

[16:41:43]

quicksilver:

I'm always a bit baffled the way people change entire distros to solve (relatively) minor problems

[16:41:55]

quicksilver:

it's like changing your car because you're out of windscreen fluid

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Juski:

not always

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quicksilver:

far better to choose a car you like, and then learn how to refill the fluid

[16:42:16]

quicksilver:

well I'm stretching the analogy a bit

[16:42:20]

frankrizzo:

i tried to fix my problems for weeks, and no one was able to help me

[16:42:28]

Juski:

reaosn I swapped to umbongo from gentoo was that it'd have been much slower to fix gentoo

[16:42:36]

frankrizzo:

a couple people had the same problems on the mailing list, but there were no solutions

[16:42:45]

quicksilver:

frankrizzo: that's fair enough then

[16:42:51]

Juski:

as I get older I'm less inclined to be patient

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quicksilver:

me too

[16:43:07]

quicksilver:

but it's still worth understanding which things are actually kernel issues

[16:43:11]

quicksilver:

and fixing those by replacing the kernel

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quicksilver:

etc etc

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Juski:

only using ubuntu on my frontend right now cos I dunno what's up with minimyth

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Juski:

icky playback issue. and you can't just go changing driver versions on a ready rolled setup ;)

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quicksilver:

by driver you mean kernel driver?

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quicksilver:

if you do, then of course you can

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quicksilver:

any distribution which doesn't support different kernel versions is hopelessly broken

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Juski:

less distro, more tarball of squashfs IIRC

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Mattwj2005:

I would like to see the new version of Knoppmyth to include myth2ipod :)

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Dagmar:

Transcode can do those ocnversions just fine

[16:53:16]

Dagmar:

Of course, getting the codecs for it compiled (mpeg4ip) is painful, but doable

[16:53:20]

Mattwj2005:

I am lazy....I like the RSS feeds

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Mattwj2005:

that too

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Mattwj2005:

I like the transcoding done on my mythtv box.....automatic generated RSS feed....ipods downloads it....and it auto syncs on my ipod :)

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frankrizzo:

whats this you speak of?

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Juski:

is it just me or was there a film where this guy was apparently going insane among lots of traffic, and there were trucks loaded with ipods on their way to other towns?

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Mattwj2005:

myth2ipod

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frankrizzo:

does it do ipod video?

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Mattwj2005:

http://www.myth2ipod.com/myth2ipod.html

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Juski:

see www.myth2ipod.com

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Kelerion:

evening all :)

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Mattwj2005:

good evening kelerion :)

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Juski:

evenin Kelerion

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Kelerion:

Juski, finally got my dvb working... had to use a slave backend for it though.. lol

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Juski:

udev problemo ?

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Juski:

the 'just works (tm) n.b. your devices may get shuffled round randomly' thing?

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Kelerion:

just kept stuttering in the same backend as the pvr250

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frankrizzo:

cool, my roomate has a video ipod

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Kelerion:

so moved it to a slave backend instead

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frankrizzo:

i'll have to fiddle with that at some point

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Kelerion:

waste of a pc though I think

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Mattwj2005:

I just bought one!

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Mattwj2005:

80 GB video iPod!

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Mattwj2005:

:)

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Mattwj2005:

I subscribed to the NBC nightly news...it is pretty cool

[17:02:38]

Mattwj2005:

free too

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Juski:

Kelerion: http://homepage.ntlworld.com/justin.hornsby2/comingsoon/

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Kelerion:

ooooooooooooh....*nice*!!!

[17:04:23]

Mattwj2005:

dang!

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Mattwj2005:

that is awesome

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Juski:

doesn't work with SVN.. I repeat....

[17:04:54]

Mattwj2005:

did you make that Juski?

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Juski:

no my random theme generator script did it :-P

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** Kelerion chuckles **

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Mattwj2005:

lol haha

[17:05:27]

Juski:

or rather – no, I'm in the process of making it :)

[17:05:40]

Kelerion:

that actual screenshots? or mockups?

[17:05:47]

Juski:

actual

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** Kelerion grins big **

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Kelerion:

let me know when you need a tester :P

[17:06:22]

Mattwj2005:

you guys are awesome :)

[17:06:25]

Juski:

now

[17:06:33]

Kelerion:

now?

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Juski:

downloady the beta 1.1 :)

[17:06:51]

Kelerion:

ok...doing now

[17:06:55]

Juski:

though if you're running from a recentish head, don't

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jams:

why is that?

[17:07:09]

Juski:

it'll cause a segfault cos some of it is missing

[17:07:14]

jams:

ah

[17:07:22]

Mattwj2005:

do you need a 16x9 display?

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Juski:

yes

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Kelerion:

svn from yesterday... lol

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Mattwj2005:

oh okay

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Juski:

no plans to do a 4:3 version yet

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Kelerion:

oh.. no it's not...svn from 3 weeks ago

[17:08:02]

** Kelerion tests it on his laptop first **

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Juski:

I need to incorporate a new bit from changeset 11705 apparently

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** Mattwj2005 listens to Miss Robinson **

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psofa:

anyone that wants to do any guesswork?ive got an old hifi.And i found out it has something that looks like a spdif connector.But i dont know if its input or output.The hifi unit lets you change between some analog inputs but theres no button for optical input or sth.May i assume its spdif out? :(

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Juski:

psofa: remove the cover & if it emits red light it's an output

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psofa:

lol really?

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psofa:

nice ill check

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Juski:

careful the beam doesn't burn thru the wall though

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psofa:

once some annoying people that dont like me messing with cables in the living room leave :P

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Mattwj2005:

are you serious Juski?

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Juski:

lol

[17:16:08]

Mattwj2005:

you can actually see the light?

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Mattwj2005:

:-P

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Juski:

you can see the light, yeah

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Mattwj2005:

I would have figured it was IR or something

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Kelerion:

Juski, *awesome*

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Kelerion:

works on treat on my laptop

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Mattwj2005:

wow I learned something today

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Kelerion:

anyone know which key it is to toggle the secondary inputs from a dvb stream?

[17:21:33]

Kelerion:

not the teletext one

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Mattwj2005:

have you tried i ?

[17:23:31]

Kelerion:

now now.. you know myth isn't *that* logical :P

[17:23:45]

Kelerion:

"i" is for info :)

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Mattwj2005:

lol

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Mattwj2005:

i for input ;)

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Mattwj2005:

C ?

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defaultro:

morning folks. Anyone knows a good software for making/laying out pbc?

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Mattwj2005:

according to the wiki that is AV input

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Mattwj2005:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/User_Manual:Daily_Use

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Juski:

what's pbc?

[17:28:46]

Juski:

pcb?

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Kelerion:

nevermind... will ask stuart when I see him... he showed me it at the expo

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Mattwj2005:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PCB

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opello:

printed circuit board? :)

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Mattwj2005:

it can be a number of things :)

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Juski:

Kelerion: audio description? there's an osd menu for that

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Kelerion:

yes – seen that.. not working... might just be in certain programs

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Juski:

it is only in certain programmes.

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Kelerion:

ahh ok

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Juski:

it's also what makes mythtrancode poo its pants sometimes apparently

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** Kelerion chuckles **

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Kelerion:

had anyone in here yet that we met at the expo?

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Juski:

like when it appears half way thru a show that didn't have it at the start

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Juski:

Kelerion: not AFAIK

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Kelerion:

maybe on the ML's then...

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Juski:

I've gone all cold on further expo manoevres

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Juski:

nope

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Juski:

not a whisper

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Kelerion:

oh well

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Juski:

it was good craic & all & I'll miss that but I dunno what good it did the project tbh

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Kelerion:

we *have* to be there... gonna have my new HD tv by then! lol

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Kelerion:

well.. if need be I can arrange it next time if your not up to it... think it's gotta be good for myth if we are there

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Kelerion:

*if* we get an invite again of course.. lol

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Juski:

what's bugged the hell out of me is the complete lack of feedback on the forums & mailing lists. I had one comment on my blog & that was it

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Kelerion:

we didn't do it for *us* or *our* recognition though

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Juski:

did I say I did?

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Kelerion:

no.. but we *did* get the word out to a *ton* of people there

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Kelerion:

so that had to be a good thing

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Juski:

ask me again when I'm good mates with my frontend again

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Juski:

if/when

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** Kelerion chuckles **

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Kelerion:

it giving you problems?

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Juski:

just being a pain in the rectum

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Juski:

un-reproducable playback pauses for one (minimyth)

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Juski:

ubuntu works but takes over a min & a half to boot

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Kelerion:

that doesn't bother me here... it's permanently on

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Juski:

rock <me> hard place

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Kelerion:

well.. none of my recordings got recorded today... sky crashed on me! lol

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Kelerion:

did it to me yesterday too but I was watching at the time it did it yesterday

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Juski:

yeah well I'll be working on increasing the JAF this weekend

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Kelerion:

am thinking that I can't actually *use* the spdif on the sky box I might as well put sky's recommended box back in

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Kelerion:

J?

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Kelerion:

oh

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Kelerion:

nevermind

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Juski:

2 years without a bloody problem then I have to do some graft

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** Kelerion chuckles **

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Juski:

like I said earlier it's not like I've chucked all the toys outta the pram

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defaultro:

hi opello, just got back

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Kelerion:

nah... you just frustrated and stressed really easy :P

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Kelerion:

just *get*..even

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opello:

defaultro: oh?

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Juski:

lirc was a bitch, but it's MY bitch now

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** Kelerion laughs **

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jd86:

the pvr 350 has tv out on it?

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Juski:

alsa is still a bitch

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Kelerion:

yup.. lirc is *the* trickiest bit under ubuntu/debian

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Savi1:

yeah well Juski You're running ubuntu, right?

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Juski:

jd86: according to Hauupauge's spec sheet yes

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Juski:

so?

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jd86:

Juski, does anyone have it working in linux?

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Juski:

not cos I like it, just cos it works, Savi1

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Kelerion:

well i love it..

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Savi1:

Feisty? or Edgy?

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Savi1:

yeah I like it too :)

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Juski:

wedgie? lol

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Juski:

dapper

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Juski:

tried wedgy & mythfrontend segfaulted. couldn't be arsed to debug it so went back onto dapper

[17:46:58]

Savi1:

ah... just thought You've came upon the same problem I have...

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Savi1:

just upgraded to feisty... and the kernel headers are f***ed up...

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Kelerion:

dapper on my main be/fe.. edgy in bedroom FE and laptop and dev pc

[17:47:25]

Savi1:

can't compile anything

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defaultro:

hey folks, which attribute in settings table do I need to modify so that mytharchive can work properly?

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Juski:

defaultro: E_toovague

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defaultro:

thanks

[17:48:50]

Juski:

seriously you're being too vague

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defaultro:

oh

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defaultro:

i was looking for that, LOL

[17:49:01]

** Kelerion grins **

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defaultro:

do you know mytharchive?

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Juski:

vaguely

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Juski:

lol

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defaultro:

i clicked it yesterday and it popped up a message saying please setup the field in settings table

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Juski:

for one thing you need to make sure the temp dir you set for it as a working dir actually exists & is writable

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defaultro:

so i'm looking for the attribute in the settings table so I can modify it

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defaultro:

yes

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defaultro:

that's the one

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Juski:

try the setup menu

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defaultro:

i remeber it mentioned dir

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defaultro:

so I really don't have to manually modify settings table?

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Juski:

utils setup > setup > media settings > archive

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defaultro:

cool

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Savi1:

lol

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Juski:

yeah I'll write a plugin that needs a bunch of mysql-fu to set up

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Juski:

that'll show the bastards

[17:51:14]

defaultro:

?

[17:51:24]

Juski:

like no GUI at all

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defaultro:

:)

[17:51:40]

Juski:

obviously my humour is too dark for you lot (still)

[17:51:53]

Juski:

been working too near Runcorn

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Juski:

jesus. when I said 'screenshots' I didn't mean blurry out of focus photos of the TV

[17:54:20]

defaultro:

btw, myth's firewire recording is awesome

[17:54:42]

defaultro:

juski, what screenshots?

[17:54:58]

Juski:

the screenshots someone sent me to describe 'problems' in the new theme

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defaultro:

oh

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defaultro:

and it was blurry

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Juski:

ticket closed – invalid

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Juski:

:-P

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Juski:

sorted

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Juski:

hometime

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Kelerion:

have fun :)

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psofa:

lol

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Feclar:

so buying a used xbox+modchip the best bang for the buck setup for a front end? main requirements are small/quiet

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defaultro:

has anyone upgraded their gtk? will it cause many havocs?

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defaultro:

speaking of xbox 360 Feclar, i saw $299 at bestbuy and another $399, is getting the $299 worth it?

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Feclar:

dunno dont really play consoles, buddy gave me an xbox1 that was head of MS PR when they were released and just never used it till i started thinking of using a few of them for front ends.

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defaultro:

wow

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defaultro:

good for you

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Feclar:

just wondering if i should get more or if there is a better setup for a front end media player

[18:09:45]

Feclar:

for under 200$, seems you can get a used xbox1 for around 100$ now, modchip for 50$

[18:10:16]

defaultro:

that's where i'd go

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Feclar:

whats the busiest mythTV forums?

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Kelerion:

-users

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defaultro:

i don't know

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defaultro:

maybe, the gossamer mailing lists

[18:11:17]

defaultro:

but feclar, most of the best writers are on this channel

[18:13:39]

Mattwj2005:

you can do softmods too

[18:14:44]

Mattwj2005:

I saw something on episode 106 of dl.tv

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defaultro:

so guys, should I get xbox 360 for games? at the same time, I also want to buy the hd-dvd add-on in the future

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Mattwj2005:

you can find that at www.dl.tv

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defaultro:

wow, cool

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defaultro:

i think, feclar's gone

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Mattwj2005:

oh okay

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Mattwj2005:

podcast rock!

[18:16:26]

Mattwj2005:

:)

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defaultro:

why?

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defaultro:

run it by us

[18:16:40]

defaultro:

i want to setup one too

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Mattwj2005:

just because you can watch them anytime you want

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defaultro:

oh

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defaultro:

can we do podcast in myth?

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Mattwj2005:

not sure....but there are rss readers in linux....you probably could set something up

[18:18:23]

Mattwj2005:

that is just a guess :)

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Mattwj2005:

anyone else know?

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Mattwj2005:

it looks like it is a feature request

[18:20:04]

Mattwj2005:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Feature_ . . . in_Addons%29

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Mattwj2005:

podcast are pretty cool....they have a bunch of them like www.dl.tv www.twit.tv www.revision3.com

[18:23:44]

Mattwj2005:

those are internet only....there are other ones like the NBC nightly news.....which is regular tv show

[18:24:23]

Mattwj2005:

there are not many regular tv shows though....anyways that is my 2 cents :)

[18:31:56]

Kelerion:

bugger... who broke mythrename??

[18:33:50]

Mattwj2005:

hey who was asking about how to switch inputs?

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defaultro:

ah, looks like the mythstream I installed can read podcast inputs

[18:34:03]

Mattwj2005:

try Y if C doesn't work. :)

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Mattwj2005:

I just found it in MythWeb :)

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Feclar:

holy shit 100$ xbox 360's

[18:43:06]

Feclar:

err sorry curseing.

[18:43:59]

Mattwj2005:

it is okay Feclar......do it again and we will have to take away your birthday ;)

[18:44:08]

Feclar:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/holiday/cv/homepage/105-6927836-4847659

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Mattwj2005:

I would mind one of those Wii's

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Mattwj2005:

they look really fun :)

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Mattwj2005:

I have heard bad reviews for the PS3

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Mattwj2005:

it can run linux and folding at home though which is good

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Saviq:

and what is bad?

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Mattwj2005:

well for one thing....you get to download updates for an hour before you can use it

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Saviq:

sweet – that's just like my ubuntu after install ;]

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Mattwj2005:

lol good point

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Mattwj2005:

:)

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Mattwj2005:

also too it sucks that people are getting shot over a PS3 ;)

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Mattwj2005:

I just think the Wii is the better system

[18:54:35]

Mattwj2005:

graphics are not quite as sharp....but there are more of them.....and they have fun controls.....it kind of reminds me of the old NES days :)

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Mattwj2005:

$250 versus $600 is a big difference too

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Saviq:

yeah well... I don't play games anyway

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Mattwj2005:

so what is everyone putting on their Christmas list? assuming of course you celebrate Christmas

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Feclar:

supposedly the multiplayer/internet stuff sucks on the PS3 and the games are not very cool and the graphics are currently not better then the 360

[18:57:44]

Saviq:

yeah but I don't have a christmas list ;]

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Feclar:

and of course the price

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Mattwj2005:

to be honest....I don't like Sony lately either :)

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Mattwj2005:

I wonder if it comes with an exploding battery ;)

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Saviq:

yeah but Vaio G is sweet

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Mattwj2005:

yeah? what does it have for features?

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Feclar:

man the amazon page is hosed

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Saviq:

Mattwj2005: mainly... under 1kg weight

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Saviq:

in the simplest version

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GreyFoxx:

Mattwj2005: I have no idea what I want for xmas, and least none that are less than $500 :)

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Mattwj2005:

lol

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GreyFoxx:

though I wouldn't mind a used Xbox for testing some things, like the myth upnp support and such.

[19:03:23]

Saviq:

up to 16h battery run (1,2kg version)

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Mattwj2005:

well the top of my list is a cute blond ;)

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Saviq:

well that I got two years ago :D

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Mattwj2005:

lol

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Mattwj2005:

:)

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GreyFoxx:

Hehe I'm married, so no cute blonde on my list :)

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Saviq:

'though not for christmas... it was Poland's independence day

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scott_:

happy thanksgiving, i am thankful for mythtv

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Saviq:

http://www.mobilewhack.com/reviews/sony_vaio_ . . . _laptop.html

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Mattwj2005:

pretty nice system saviq

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Mattwj2005:

:)

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GreyFoxx:

otwin: Anyone know any really good (and cheap doesn't hurt) online stores that sell/ship cellphones ?

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Mattwj2005:

how fast is the cpu?

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GreyFoxx:

err err that should have been OT :

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Mattwj2005:

hey guys I got a technical problem

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Mattwj2005:

my transcode errored out :(

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Mattwj2005:

it is probably just the public broadcast channel

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Mattwj2005:

:)

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Mattwj2005:

I am trying to see if I can get HDTV to transcode automatically to the iPod format

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stuarta:

evening all

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Mattwj2005:

hi stuarta :)

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Kelerion:

hey stuarta :)

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stuarta:

long time no see.. How's life?

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Kelerion:

going good... finally got my dvb going... :)

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stuarta:

woot

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Kelerion:

quite a jump in picture quality

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stuarta:

:)

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stuarta:

i've never got the remote running.

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Kelerion:

it refused to work with the pvr250 in that pc..kept jumping...so have put it in a slave backend instead...waste of a pc really but at least it works :)

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Feclar:

man a 2lb laptop, thats gota be pimp

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Kelerion:

what was the problem?

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stuarta:

crashed X :)

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** Kelerion blinks **

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Kelerion:

never seen that afore

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stuarta:

can't be arsed till i get a standalone fe

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stuarta:

when I say crashed, I mean, made it unusable so i had to log in via ssh and kill X

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Kelerion:

lirc did that??

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stuarta:

irw

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Kelerion:

wierd

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stuarta:

probably some interation with the input X uses

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Kelerion:

try running it from a ssh?

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stuarta:

GF has the laptop back

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Kelerion:

ahh ok :)

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Kelerion:

hey..what key did you use for that secondary description track you showed me?

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stuarta:

'+'

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Kelerion:

kk

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stuarta:

can also get to the alternative audio tracks via the menus

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Kelerion:

tried that one... can't have been on the programme I was watching

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stuarta:

only stuff with [AD] in the program

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Kelerion:

kk...will keep an eye out for that

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stuarta:

bbc movies are good for that.

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Feclar:

man doesnt look like im getting that 100$ xbox360 8*(

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Feclar:

not paying 300$ for one

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r3m0t:

hello everybody. I would like help testing out the analog tuner in my PVR-350

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lumpToe:

testing?

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lumpToe:

xawtv?

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hjohnson:

cat /dev/video0 > file.mpg

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hjohnson:

:)

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r3m0t:

OK, I got and played a few seconds of static

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r3m0t:

I'm going to connect it up now

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lumpToe:

In MythTV Setup. I am setting up my PVR150 and want to set the SVideo so I can attach a DVD player with a Calibration disc. Do I have to setup a listing with it?

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cecil:

not if I recall correctly

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cecil:

you do have to define it as a source

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lumpToe:

hmm.. So make a source with no channels? Switching screens brb

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lumpToe:

Im back. I have to wait for "Fetch channels from listings source" to complete.

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r3m0t:

Is the frequency table to use for GB analog "europe-west"?

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r3m0t:

I'm getting static. :(

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Mattwj2005:

yeah I never had luck with my pvr-150 either :(

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Mattwj2005:

same problem....I only got static

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r3m0t:

Mattwj2005: what did you do?

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Mattwj2005:

gave up and put in an old WinTV card

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lumpToe:

I use the PVR 150 on 2 boxes and I am installing in a third and I have no problems other than the ir blaster which I end up using a serial version

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lumpToe:

is you connect a signal and then use xawtv do you get video?

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lumpToe:

is* if

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r3m0t:

somebody in the channel told me xawtv wouldn't work for the 350 because of the hardware mpeg encoder

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r3m0t:

hey, I got something

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r3m0t:

although not through xawtv. I used ptune-ui. maybe the card was set to NTSC or ptune-ui holds frequency tables or something

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lumpToe:

Im still waiting for the "Fetch channels from listings source" to complete. It always takes so long. Plus with no indicator weather it's still running

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jduggan:

lumpToe: get a terminal and ps aux

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jduggan:

if the process is there chances are its still working

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lumpToe:

What is the process name? I see mythfilldatabase and I think that is it. I also see [sh] <defunct> about 30 times

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jduggan:

yea mythfilldatabase is the process

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jduggan:

you can attach to its process to check its actually working if ur concerned that its not

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Feclar:

so whats a very active mediacenter forum?

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lumpToe:

I see it top that it is. But how do I attach to a process (wanna learn that!)

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Juski:

mediacenter? as in MCE? thegreenbutton.com

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jduggan:

strace -p PID

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Juski:

anyway enough swearing in here

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Feclar:

as in mythV/MCE/Freevo etc

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Juski:

www.mythtvtalk.com for mythtv

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Lin:

what it the better window manager with: fullscreen only windows, no decorations, no menus, no bars and easy application change (prefer alt+tab)

[20:04:59]

Juski:

freevo doesn't have forums AFAIK

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Juski:

and since there isn't much cross-platform love, I don't imagine there's one forum which supports all of us ;)

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Mattwj2005:

with the transcode problem.....I am rebuilding ffmpeg and mplayer

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Mattwj2005:

I am going to try and see if that helps....I am sure it is a problem with myth2ipod

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Juski:

ah so now I have to build the latest SVN to see if I can fix a theme problem. hmmmm

[20:08:02]

Juski:

dunno if I even know the password for my spare box anymore

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Juski:

translation: I'll get beered up tomorrow night & have a look at it

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Mattwj2005:

what kind are you drinking? :)

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Juski:

er.. anything going. and to prevent EnoJackDaniels I'll have to buy another 1L bottle

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Mattwj2005:

I like Budweiser or Miller Lite

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Mattwj2005:

I don't drink real often though

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stuarta:

Juski: i already have ENOJACKDANIELS

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Juski:

eep. that's bad

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stuarta:

aye, on tea :(

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Mattwj2005:

I drink Diet Mount Dew the most :)

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Juski:

budweiser is way too gassy for me

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Mattwj2005:

*Diet Mountain Dew

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stuarta:

i have a fundamental problem with the colour of that stuff

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Juski:

to get bunty dapper to boot a bit faster I may need to sample the blood of a newly slain virgin... if I can find one round here

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stuarta:

no speedy booting for you then

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Juski:

whoops. there goes my dark side again

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Mattwj2005:

lol

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** Mattwj2005 watches out for Juski dark side **

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Juski:

darkside-wide.. no way

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** stuarta remembers vodka != empty :) **

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Juski:

the BSOD.. black screen of death

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** Mattwj2005 remembers that Diet Mountain Dew == good **

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jams:

Diet anything != good

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r3m0t:

can anybody recommend a nice IR channel changer? I'm assuming the PVR-350 and Nova-T "IR" sockets are for receivers only?

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Juski:

bah. who made the playback box embedding? making me download two versions & do a diff. damn work

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jams:

dang splenda

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stuarta:

mwahahaha

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** jams points at stuarta **

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Juski:

aye that nasty evil nutrasweat stuff.

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Juski:

reputed to cause brain tumours so they changed its name.. no more scaryness

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Mattwj2005:

Splenda actually taste better

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** stuarta claims it wasn't him... **

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jams:

heh

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Feclar:

so... suggested mythTV distro??

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Mattwj2005:

there are a million ways to die....I am going to drink my soda before I do :)

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Feclar:

err distro for mythTV doesnt need to be bundled.

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Juski:

if you like puzzles ubuntu can be fun

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** stuarta watches the Mystery Men movie... **

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Feclar:

what has the most support?

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Saviq:

hehe

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Feclar:

well most used shall i say

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r3m0t:

*grin* I guess I like puzzles then... but there's no way to know what distro works best on your hardware without trying them all out

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Juski:

from a 'put cd in and 30 mins later you have a worky (ish) linux system' point of view, bunty is nice

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Mattwj2005:

Ubuntu will ship the CDs to your house for free too! :)

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Juski:

I managed to cobble a pretty much working (minus lirc) frontend in under an hour from flat hdd

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Mattwj2005:

it takes a while though

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Juski:

install ubuntu, edit sources.list, apt-get update, apt-get install mythfrontend & plugins.. tada

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Juski:

beware the curse of udev though.. esp. if you have more than one type of tuner card

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Feclar:

well is there any prefered? i have alot of old school linux and unix expirence in the 1.2x kernel days , have messed a bit with ubuntu as a work workstation but not much past that

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Juski:

the question you could ask yourself is 'which do **I** prefer?'

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Juski:

asking people for their preferences sometimes results in a holy war, which is never nice to see

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Feclar:

i prefer the one that has the best forums/irc channel

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Juski:

refer to the Gallup top 10 linux distros list for that

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Mattwj2005:

or better yet....say Windows is better than Linux ;)

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Mattwj2005:

which it isn't

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Juski:

it is, for hobby video editors :-P

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Mattwj2005:

if you say that people will bring out pitch forks

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Juski:

and you don't think I created that nice new theme in linux do you?

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Feclar:

i just dont want to run into wher ei have to start over because of something funky with my distro

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Juski:

Feclar: YMMV with ANY distro

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Juski:

oh _great_. this embedding the playback box looks more like removing stuff from a theme which thereby makes it incompatible with a release.. or am I wrong?

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stuarta:

doubt it..

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Mattwj2005:

well transcode seems to work....

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Feclar:

how come you dont see more laptops being used as front end box's? they are alot cleaner then atx cases and pretty cheap now adays

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Mattwj2005:

I don't think the original xbox can do HDTV

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Juski:

presumably because linux support of laptop hardware is more sketchy than desktop machines

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jams:

mostly the video card

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jduggan:

yea most laptops have wank share graphics

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jduggan:

most being, budget

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Feclar:

is it suggested to have seperate file server from the backend mythTV box?

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jduggan:

no

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Juski:

if you want to do that you can, but you don't have to – not even for good performance

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Juski:

maybe if you intend to keep every recording you ever make on one huge RAID array...

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Juski:

having a separate backend box at least keeps noise & fugly boxes out of the lounge ;)

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Feclar:

well im just trying to plan what my setup should be, i need 1–2TB storage, video/mp3 and maybe TV in 3 rooms (i dont have cable right now) all controlled by remote controls

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Juski:

what makes you think you need that much storage?

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Feclar:

oh that storage is not just for video/mp3's its for other stuff so need samba or nfs of some sort

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lumpToe:

Feclar: There are a few NAS boxes that will give you that storage but you can also build one with linux

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AngryElf:

anyone here running svn?

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Feclar:

newegg has 500gb sata drives for 149$ right now

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Feclar:

and my 500gb mirror right now is full without any video's/dvd

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Feclar:

so figure i add another TB for mythTV and another 500gig for my stuff

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AngryElf:

buy me one while you've got bulk shipping

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Juski:

oh _now_ I see what's been done here. the playback-video thingy is embedded into the OSD (I think), so it's a new section of ui.xml altogether. man I need to get used to looking at diffs the right way round

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Mattwj2005:

TB?

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Mattwj2005:

sweetness

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lumpToe:

Man! TBs... I have 300GB on my box and the only time it gets full is during vacation.

[20:42:19]

Mattwj2005:

I want to get a 750 GB hd

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Mattwj2005:

I record HD though :)

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lumpToe:

I have an Amiga with 10MB and I thought I was king

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Mattwj2005:

lol

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Feclar:

well id like to have all my dvd's accessable without looking for t he dvd disc's

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Juski:

152 programs, using 275 GB (6 days 19 hrs 16 mins) out of 458 GB (147 GB free).

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lumpToe:

Mattwj2005: What are you using to record HD?

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Mattwj2005:

my first computer had 16 kB of ram

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Juski:

I just don't have enough days off this year to watch it all

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Mattwj2005:

pchdtv-5500

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Mattwj2005:

last week's heroes was 6.2 GB

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Feclar:

ouch

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lumpToe:

I record and erase everything except the kid shows. My daughter will watch stuff over and over

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Feclar:

can u manage your files with a remote or need to keyboard/mouse it?

[20:45:07]

Feclar:

manage being move/delete

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lumpToe:

Remote

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lumpToe:

Well to delete

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lumpToe:

I don't think you can move

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Feclar:

so can i use an xbox for hdtv if i have a backend server?

[20:46:08]

lumpToe:

Original XBox?

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Feclar:

yes

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lumpToe:

I might be too weak for 1080i but you can get 480p Widescreen output

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Feclar:

are ps2's more powerful then xbox's for frontends?

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Juski:

it's prolly a bit too feeble to play hd even scaling it down

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Feclar:

or is there anything else comparable in size to the xbox for a good frontend

[20:47:47]

Juski:

ps2 mythfrontend? there's a new one

[20:48:03]

Feclar:

dont they haev linux ports for ps2's?

[20:48:05]

stuarta:

ps3 maybe

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Juski:

so far on the ps3 the graphics are only working in framebuffer mode, so maybe not even that

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Juski:

nearest thing to a lightweight HD playback frontend you'll get right now is one of them Roku things

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melunko:

Hello there, when I start ANN FileTransfer with a file that does not exists, the backend crashes

[20:50:11]

Mattwj2005:

I have tried any of these but does this help?

[20:50:13]

Mattwj2005:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Bare_Bones_System

[20:50:40]

lumpToe:

Does the Mac Mini work as a frontend?

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Juski:

yes

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lumpToe:

Plus there are a couple of Acer boxes that are like the Mac Mini

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Juski:

that aren't anywhere near as good by all accounts

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Mattwj2005:

* I haven't tried

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Juski:

cheaper to buy a mac mini in the case of those Acer mini PCs

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lumpToe:

Well I know the first had a crappy Integrated Video chip

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Juski:

funny what you find when googling.. http://www.tvpredictions.com/directvlawsuit092006.htm

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Speedy2:

Careful on the Acers. Some of TV out is not supported because they are using a TV-encoder attached via ADD2

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lumpToe:

Need to find a good 720p modeline for my Sony HDTV CRT

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lumpToe:

Anyway on testing the firewire cablebox before I start attaching video sources, etc...

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gonzzor:

Does MythTV supports UTF8?

[21:01:16]

Saviq:

like where?

[21:01:39]

Saviq:

I believe it does

[21:01:42]

Saviq:

maybe depends on locale...

[21:01:50]

Saviq:

but not sure about that

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stuarta:

yes

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gonzzor:

Because reading some guides they all say that it doesn't support utf-8, I'd guess it has to do something with the DB..

[21:02:44]

Saviq:

not anymore

[21:02:50]

Saviq:

I used it without problems

[21:02:50]

Juski:

hokay.. let's see if this new ui.xml crashes mythfrontend or not

[21:02:56]

stuarta:

the main use for utf-8 is in the guide data and that's all handled properly.

[21:03:33]

gonzzor:

Well.. ok... Then I continue with utf8.. Since it's a new server I'd like to choose the right charset from the beginning..

[21:03:50]

Juski:

could anyone using svn head right now please send me a screenshot of the new embedded playback box?

[21:03:59]

Saviq:

THE right charset ;]

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stuarta:

Juski: which bit is that?

[21:04:37]

Juski:

stuarta: I think it's accessed from the OSD menu

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** stuarta has a play **

[21:05:19]

AngryElf:

If I start watching a currently recording stream from the beginning, fast forward a bunch then the video crashes with "Error: File I/O problem in 'safe_read()'" — this doesn't apply if i start watching something from the moment it's recorded or a recording that is completed.......any ideas?

[21:05:20]

janneg:

the channel editor isn't utf8 safe

[21:05:37]

stuarta:

hmmm, maybe i need to not be running ProjectGrahem to test this.

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janneg:

but it isn't easy to fix

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gonzzor:

Hm...

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Juski:

stuarta: segfaulted?

[21:07:18]

Juski:

titivillus def. has the new ui stuff

[21:08:41]

Juski:

hahaha @ my password

[21:13:31]

Juski:

wow. I dunno what state this box was in but it doesn't have svn installed

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Saviq:

what do You think about one of those boxes for my first myth front/backend using mostly DVB-S card?

[21:16:45]

Saviq:

DELL GX260 P4 2.4GHz/256/20GB

[21:16:45]

Saviq:

DELL GX150 P3 1GHz 256MB 20GB

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Saviq:

DELL GX60 C1700/256/20GB

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Juski:

I think YMMV

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Saviq:

SDTV for now as we're at it

[21:18:12]

Juski:

who knows what kind of junk motherboards Dell use these days

[21:18:53]

Feclar:

K heading to turkey dinner/lunch

[21:18:54]

Feclar:

http://www.mythtvtalk.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=16055#16055

[21:18:59]

Feclar:

let me know what you guys think

[21:19:00]

Feclar:

thanks

[21:19:05]

Saviq:

i815 / i845g / i845GL respectively

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stuarta:

Juski: nope

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stuarta:

just no idea where the option is

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Juski:

stuarta: thanks for looking. guess I'll have to build svn on the spare box

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stuarta:

was busy cooking soup :)

[21:21:45]

Juski:

did anything ever come of the suggestion to add IMDB searches of movies in the EPG?

[21:21:58]

Juski:

guess I'll find out soon enough

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Juski:

btw was there anything enlightening in that log output I send you?

[21:23:00]

Juski:

s/send/sent

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stuarta:

not terribly, but it was a while ago & i've been busy

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Juski:

found a ticket for something eventually which looked like just the thing but it wasn't to be. anyway turned out the reason I'd not seen it was that I hadn't been searching for 'epia'

[21:24:24]

Juski:

never expect a ticket title to be so specific!

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Juski:

bigger wow! this box didn't have build-deps either .. wtf?

[21:27:07]

Juski:

maybe I was prepping it for the expo til the plans changed

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stuarta:

quite possible...

[21:27:55]

Juski:

once I nail this playback problem once & for all on minimyth I'll be a happy camper again

[21:28:33]

Juski:

don't see it in ubuntu but ole bunty is too slow to boot up

[21:28:51]

otwin:

Saviq: we have hundreds of GX150 and GX260 at work – they have non standard PSU connectors, non standard motherboards – so if something breaks you better get a new machine. pretty silent. 260's are a lot faster. cases are big for htpc, imho.

[21:29:56]

Saviq:

not bigger than a VCR...

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Juski:

considering the 1st VCRs were the size of small wardrobes, prolly not as big as them ;)

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caitlin:

yo!

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Juski:

o/

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Saviq:

yeah well... first computers weren't as small as a wardrobe ;]

[21:31:35]

Saviq:

rather a small house ;]

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Juski:

"and one day there might be a computer which weighs less than a ton"

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Juski:

pfft

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otwin:

Saviq: may be not in height, but wider

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caitlin:

so this, remote backend scam? I have a "backendserverip" and a "masterserverip"? the backend one needs to be a REAL ip, right?

[21:32:35]

Juski:

they both need to be real IP addresses

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Saviq:

wider? noo

[21:33:13]

Saviq:

they're the slim editions – with notebook cds and stuff

[21:33:31]

Daviey:

I'm certain my DVB quality through mythtv isn't as good as a standard STB. My frontend and backend are split, i'm using nVidia card with non-free driver. VGA cable linking to 32" LCD. Any ideas?

[21:33:34]

Juski:

backendsrverip == the ip address of the backend ... masterserverip == ip address of the _master_ backend

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caitlin:

they're set tp 127.0.0.1

[21:33:57]

caitlin:

but my laptop can't talk to that :P

[21:34:06]

caitlin:

well, it can, but you know what i mean

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caitlin:

it aint listening

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Juski:

Daviey: you running at the LCD's native res. ?

[21:34:19]

Daviey:

hmm, why would you have a backend and a masterbackend?

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stuarta:

that ain't gunna work if they are different machines

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Daviey:

Juski, no

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Juski:

Daviey: why not?

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otwin:

i'm talking about this case: http://i2.ebayimg.com/03/i/05/82/92/44_1_sbol.JPG

[21:35:17]

Daviey:

Juski, sorry i think i am now. I'm running the LCD at 1024 x 768. How can i see what my current X is chucking out at?

[21:35:32]

Juski:

xdpyinfo maybe?

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Saviq:

otwin: yeah that's it...

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caitlin:

so i should set them to the real ip of the machine, using mythtv-setup?

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Juski:

caitlin: yes

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stuarta:

caitlin: yes, 127.0.0.1 is talking to yourself

[21:36:03]

Juski:

on the MBE both addresses will be the same

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Saviq:

otwin: maybe You haven't seen the VCR's we've got here in Poland ;]

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Juski:

on the SBE, the first (backend IP) will be that machine's IP address

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otwin:

Saviq: :-)

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stuarta:

you may need a real IP on the MBE too...

[21:36:41]

Juski:

and the 2nd IP (masterbackend ip) will be the MBE's real IP address

[21:36:52]

Juski:

this is in the docs I'm pretty sure

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stuarta:

ie. not 127.0.0.1

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Daviey:

Why have a backend AND a masterbackend?

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Daviey:

why not just have a matserbackend?

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Juski:

so you have have multiple backends of course

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stuarta:

Daviey: slave backend

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Daviey:

but whats the point?

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Juski:

duh

[21:37:38]

Juski:

to have 25 tuners in your pvr

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Daviey:

ahhh, so if you have a tuner in a slave backend you can share it

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Daviey:

Juski, wish i had 25

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Juski:

to spread the load of transcoding/commflagging/etc

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Juski:

all kinds of reasons

[21:38:30]

Juski:

but mostly because you _can_ ;)

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otwin:

but there are no laptop components in it – believe me. actually the dvd drive is the only standard part in it ;-)

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stuarta:

thats the best reason

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Juski:

had my frontend in at work last week. folks were looking left right & centre for the tuners

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** caitlin wonders what she set her mysql password too :P **

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Juski:

tis no mystery caitlin – merely look in ~/.mythtv/mysql.txt

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otwin:

Saviq: ooh, sorry – the case i really meant is this one: http://alphanz.co.nz/FCKeditor/UserFiles/alph . . . %20GX260.jpg

[21:40:37]

Juski:

for the mythtv mysql user's password anyway

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Daviey:

Juski, the LCD and xserver are both set to 1024 / 768 and 256 colours

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Saviq:

oh yeah that's the wide one

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Juski:

Daviey: 256 colours? no wonder it looks shite

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Daviey:

hmm

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Juski:

32 bit colour, if you please.... ;)

[21:41:51]

Daviey:

hmm

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Saviq:

otwin: http://shoplet.pl/_var/gfx/58e6ec72ce1f97f5e8b96dad18d24b04.jpg

[21:42:05]

Juski:

well 24 at least

[21:42:11]

Daviey:

let me dbl check

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Saviq:

that's the one I was thinking 'bout

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Saviq:

http://shoplet.pl/_var/gfx/c464b549e0bc1c97142eec57ee5c8809.jpg

[21:42:46]

Saviq:

just noticed one thing...

[21:43:02]

Saviq:

I'd have to cut my SkyStar card to fit in lol

[21:43:08]

otwin:

Saviq: that is a different case than we have – seems a bit smaller

[21:43:12]

Saviq:

not sure it'd work as good, though

[21:44:04]

Juski:

maybe running make under screen is a better idea since I'll be logging out soonish

[21:45:01]

Daviey:

Juski, is this what i'm looking for "depth of root window: 24 planes"

[21:45:14]

Juski:

Daviey: I dunno

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Juski:

Feclar: "Thinking of having XBOX front ends? They are small/quiet "... erm... I dunno where you've got the idea xboxes are quiet fella. mine certainly ain't

[21:45:49]

Saviq:

damn... it's even got agp... http://shoplet.pl/_var/gfx/7817b2b118c9a52d17c700e2996de871.jpg

[21:46:05]

Saviq:

are there any video cards less then 2 inches high? ;]

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Juski:

Daviey: you said the dvb-t tuner with myth isn't a patch on your freeview box's pic Q... in what respects exactly?

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prozac:

is there a way to make the scheduler run outside of mythfilldatabase (or with options to have only it run and not populate any data) ?

[21:47:11]

Juski:

i.e. is it more blocky, jitterry, what?

[21:47:25]

niter3:

Anyone using a WinTV PVR-350 card here?

[21:47:28]

Juski:

Daviey: could be you just need to deinterlace

[21:47:52]

Daviey:

Juski, you could almost call it snowy, but the snow is the same colour as it's surroundings. You notice it especially on large areas of colour

[21:48:04]

Daviey:

Juski, i have deinterlace set to kernal

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Juski:

Daviey: that'd be mpeg artifacts then I think

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prozac:

or optimally i'd like to have mythfilldatabase ignore a certain set of channels completely

[21:49:26]

niter3:

As far as I understand it has TV-Out on these PVR-350 cards. However, when viewing a back-end picture of this I don't see where this is at

[21:49:32]

Daviey:

:( could it be my resolution dpi?

[21:49:48]

Daviey:

that doesn't seem to match my tv's manual

[21:50:10]

Juski:

Daviey: does the freeview box look better on the LCD or on a normal CRT ?

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Saviq:

prozac: can't you set the XMLTVID to only those channels You'd want to populate

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Saviq:

?

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Daviey:

tbh, i haven;t actually tried it. But i'm sure it must be better

[21:50:36]

Juski:

because (IMHO) LCD TVs _suck_ at displaying TV

[21:51:00]

Daviey:

Juski, so *what* are thye good for!?

[21:51:11]

Saviq:

LCD TVs _suck_ at everything ;]

[21:51:24]

Juski:

they're good for shifting boxes in big sheds

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Mattwj2005:

lol

[21:51:53]

Mattwj2005:

I take you are going to a buy an LCD Juski? ;)

[21:51:58]

Daviey:

hmm, do you think plasma's are better?

[21:52:18]

Juski:

seriously a half decent CRT will bite the arse off most LCD TVs

[21:52:49]

Juski:

and actually for the same reason they're allegedly 'worse' than LCDs

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Saviq:

only problem they don't make decent HD CRTs

[21:53:03]

Juski:

not yet ;)

[21:53:06]

prozac:

saviq: i'm uzing zap2it and i did uncheck all of the channels.... may problem is that i then use a separate script that i wrote to populate a few channels and when mythfilldatabase runs it *deletes* the stuff that i populated manually

[21:53:07]

Mattwj2005:

I have a CRT

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Saviq:

:]

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Juski:

Daviey: did you see the thing ON in the shop?

[21:53:24]

Daviey:

Juski, yeah

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Juski:

if it has an svideo/SCART input try the freeview box on it before making a comparison tbh

[21:53:54]

Daviey:

Although i actually bought it online as it was Â£300 cheaper

[21:54:04]

Daviey:

sorry $200

[21:54:08]

Daviey:

Â£200!!

[21:54:13]

Saviq:

yeah I just had to buy a TV... didn't even think about LCD

[21:54:44]

caitlin:

hrm, mysql wont allow external connections, but i have a % for host in for my username

[21:54:53]

** caitlin beats her face on a wall for a bit **

[21:54:55]

jstew:

why is lcd so bad in your opinion? refresh times?

[21:54:58]

caitlin:

what am i not doing?!

[21:55:09]

Juski:

not about to blow a month or 2's wages on a new TV, so I'll have to pass on the 'HD ready' revolution for a while

[21:55:20]

Saviq:

caitlin: firewall?

[21:55:22]

Saviq:

try telneting

[21:55:57]

Juski:

caitlin: try looking at the official docs on how to allow connections from other frontends – or use a nice thingy like phpmyadmin to set the perms ;)

[21:55:58]

Saviq:

yeah I'm waiting for a decent 1080p DLP ;]

[21:56:11]

jstew:

what address are you binding to in your mysql.conf?

[21:56:29]

Daviey:

caitlin, have you rebooted the backend. I flushed priviliges and everything, but a proper reboot sorted it for me

[21:56:45]

Juski:

Daviey: anyway, 1. wherever possible run X at the native res. of the display. TVs are generally rubbish at scaling

[21:57:19]

Saviq:

prolly restarting mysql should be enough ;]

[21:57:36]

Daviey:

jstew, Oh, one more thing. There is an "allowfrom" (or something similiar that is defaulted to ONLY localhost. That needs to be changed in mysql.conf

[21:57:57]

jstew:

yeah thats what I was getting at.

[21:58:04]

Daviey:

Juski, thing is. My tv seems to have 5 different options for native display

[21:58:05]

jstew:

It's on the wiki in any case

[21:58:59]

Juski:

Daviey: it _must_ have a native resolution.. is it in the manual?

[21:59:23]

niter3:

ah shoot me.

[21:59:27]

Daviey:

Juski, i'll look

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niter3:

I hate counting the minutes.

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Saviq:

Daviey: native is the only one that can be native ;]

[22:01:09]

Saviq:

it's basically the tv's pixels count

[22:01:52]

Saviq:

unless there are some gnomes that stretch the matrix around, there's only one ;]

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** Juski is still reeling from somebody sending actual pictures of the TV when I asked for screenshots. blimmin heck **

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Saviq:

lol

[22:02:14]

Saviq:

it was a screen-shot wasn't it?

[22:02:33]

** Mattwj2005 follows the white rabbit **

[22:02:38]

Daviey:

did he shoot it first? shotgun?

[22:03:14]

Juski:

suppose it explains why folks are reluctant to send them to explain stuff they've seen in this theme

[22:03:22]

Juski:

;)

[22:03:41]

Speedy2:

Hrm, the code from g++ 3.4.3 runs 40% faster on something than the code from g++ 4.1.1 , same machine, same test setup

[22:03:49]

Speedy2:

Anyone else see anything like that?

[22:03:52]

Dibblah:

Yup.

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Dibblah:

Try fiddling with -Os, -fexpensive-optimisations and friends.

[22:04:56]

Juski:

blimey. all this talk of windows frontends & apparently Nero's UPnP player does the biz

[22:05:02]

Daviey:

Ahhh, i'm running at 1024x768 and the native resolution is 1366 x 768p

[22:05:13]

Juski:

Daviey: that won't help

[22:05:21]

Dibblah:

Juski: It doesn't appear to work for me.

[22:05:31]

Juski:

Dibblah: no? ouchio

[22:05:41]

TheAsp[LT]:

im having a problem with my recordings in 0.20. they seem to hiccup every now and then and the video goes slow until it matches up with the sound

[22:05:47]

** Juski goes back to disbelieving ML posts **

[22:05:52]

Speedy2:

Dibblah: You're suggesting turning off -fexpensive for 4.1.1 ? Right now, I'm compiling with -Wall -O3 -march=pentium-m -mmmx -msse2 -fomit-frame-pointer -fexpensive-optimizations -funroll-loops

[22:05:55]

TheAsp[LT]:

playback is fine, its in the recording

[22:06:12]

Juski:

TheAsp[LT]: how do you know it's in the recording?

[22:06:27]

TheAsp[LT]:

juski: when i rewind to the same spot, i still get it.

[22:06:35]

TheAsp[LT]:

this is on a machine thats worked fine on 0.18 and 0.19

[22:06:38]

Dibblah:

Speedy2: Gentoo user? ;)

[22:06:39]

Juski:

TheAsp[LT]: try a different player

[22:07:00]

Juski:

unless it's (yeuch!) software encoding we're talking about here

[22:07:06]

TheAsp[LT]:

yes, its software

[22:07:14]

Daviey:

Juski, :( Just foudn this "the native resolution of the display is 1366x768 but the maximum resolution supported by the vga port is 1024x768"

[22:07:16]

TheAsp[LT]:

i have an x2... tons of cpu sitting around doing nothing

[22:07:26]

TheAsp[LT]:

no io problems either

[22:07:28]

Juski:

Daviey: lol. that's badness

[22:07:55]

Juski:

lemme know the make & model so I can cross it off my shopping list ;)

[22:08:03]

Daviey:

so i need to get myself a HDMI cable!

[22:08:07]

Speedy2:

Dibblah: No, not a Gentoo user.

[22:08:42]

Speedy2:

TheAsp[LT]: Silly question, but is DMA turned on for your HDDs?

[22:09:02]

Juski:

Daviey: yeah that'd maybe help. do DVDs look as good played back thru myth as they do with a normal dvd player?

[22:09:11]

Daviey:

Juski, LG 32LC2D – mind you, i LOVE the fact that it has a RS-232 port (and provides the codes to send to it) and it remembers the last input selected. (So when you first switch it on – it knows to go to mythtv)

[22:09:17]

TheAsp[LT]:

Speedy2: yes

[22:09:20]

Dibblah:

-Os sometimes helps with the processors that have small caches.

[22:09:31]

** stuarta is thinking of getting one of those... **

[22:09:34]

Speedy2:

I have 2 MB cache on the CPU.

[22:09:38]

Juski:

Daviey: pretty nifty. I'd have high expectations of an LG set

[22:09:39]

TheAsp[LT]:

Speedy2: well, they are sata

[22:09:57]

Daviey:

Juski, i'll have to try it (trouble is, i aitn a got a dvd player anymore!) but i'll see if it is better than dvb

[22:10:11]

Juski:

Daviey: plus, have you considered you might be too close to the screen to tell? ;)

[22:10:16]

defaultro:

Hi Juski

[22:10:20]

defaultro:

you're up again :D

[22:10:26]

Juski:

wha?

[22:10:31]

Daviey:

Juski, i'm not on the mythbox right now!

[22:10:32]

defaultro:

you just slept right? :P

[22:10:37]

Juski:

no

[22:10:44]

** stuarta looks up the mode specs in the manual **

[22:11:01]

defaultro:

i was wrong. You said, hometime :D

[22:11:20]

Juski:

Daviey: anyway, freeview on anything bigger than 32" is a bit of a nono if you sit less than 8ft away

[22:11:46]

defaultro:

anyone good here in compound miter and table saw? :P

[22:11:54]

Dibblah:

Yup.

[22:11:56]

Juski:

infact any digital SDTV on a screen bigger than 32" is a nono IMHO

[22:12:15]

defaultro:

dibblah, is that for me?

[22:12:22]

Dibblah:

That's odd. Looks OK on my 80"...

[22:12:34]

Juski:

Dibblah: yeah but I bet you don't sit too close ;)

[22:12:35]

Dibblah:

defaultro: Yup.

[22:12:49]

Juski:

or maybe you're not in the UK

[22:12:53]

defaultro:

cool

[22:13:02]

Juski:

where the bitrates are too low

[22:13:07]

Dibblah:

I am. Even acceptable on Sky...

[22:13:28]

Juski:

it's just about acceptable on my 32" set so er...

[22:13:30]

Dibblah:

Mind you, I'm not doing any lossy transcoding,...

[22:13:37]

stuarta:

ahah! 42" and greater models support 1280x768 and above....

[22:13:37]

Juski:

nor am I

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defaultro:

Dibblah, I posted this on a forum but haven't receive any answers yet. http://pastebin.ca/256242

[22:14:31]

caitlin:

yeh, ok that's quite freaky, i just went to the loo and took my laptop with me, no wires... watching live tv

[22:14:38]

caitlin:

i know that's too much information

[22:14:39]

caitlin:

but hell

[22:14:42]

caitlin:

it's *weird*

[22:14:58]

Juski:

so you solved the mysql perms thing then

[22:15:11]

caitlin:

yeh, it was mysql being bound local

[22:15:27]

Dibblah:

Speedy2: Aren't you using the wrong CPU type?

[22:15:36]

Speedy2:

Dibblah: No. I have a Pentium-M.

[22:15:42]

Dibblah:

Pentium 3 M?

[22:15:47]

caitlin:

i can't get it to find the stored media yet though... i dunno how to reference the places it's all stored

[22:15:49]

Speedy2:

No. Pentium-M.

[22:16:02]

Speedy2:

"Banias" core

[22:16:08]

Dibblah:

In which case, you're probably using the wrong CPU type.

[22:16:19]

Speedy2:

"model name : Intel(R) Pentium(R) M processor 1.60GHz"

[22:16:28]

Speedy2:

How is "pentium-m" the wrong CPU type?

[22:16:53]

Dibblah:

Uhuh. The pentium-m is referring to the PIII-m that topped out at 800Mhz or so, AFAIK.

[22:17:06]

Juski:

well it's time to love this & leave it. can't stay too long – don't wanna go mental again

[22:17:39]

Juski:

hang on.. what do I mean.. _again_ ? ;) g'night

[22:18:04]

Speedy2:

Dibblah: http://www.fftw.org/speed/PentiumM-1.6GHz-gcc/ . Seems like I'm using the right CPU type for GCC

[22:18:09]

caitlin:

laters Juski

[22:18:19]

Dibblah:

Speedy2: Okay – I'm wrong :)

[22:18:40]

Dibblah:

defaultro: Bearing that in mind, don't go for a cheap compressor.

[22:19:04]

Dibblah:

Cheap == noisy + will not wear well.

[22:19:14]

Dibblah:

But this is not Myth related :)

[22:20:19]

jstew:

my mythbox is too noisy. pisses the wife right off

[22:20:54]

Daviey:

my wife is too noisy. pisses me & mythbox right off

[22:21:36]

Speedy2:

I can't for the life of me figure out why 4.1.1 is producing code that's so much slower.

[22:25:52]

Dibblah:

What's the code doing? Streaming stuff?

[22:26:01]

Dibblah:

Actually using SSE code?

[22:26:27]

Speedy2:

It's using MMX and SSE. It's doing real-time packet processing.

[22:29:50]

Dibblah:

Only real way to tell what's expensive is to run it through a profiler / cache simulator (oprofile)

[22:30:40]

Speedy2:

sigh. I'll just manually compile that code with 3.4.3

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jstew:

did you check the gcc community?

[22:32:50]

Speedy2:

Not yet

[22:34:04]

rogue780:

I'm having a problem with mysql. an access denied error when I enter admin passwor

[22:34:05]

rogue780:

d

[22:35:10]

Mattwj2005:

well the myth2ipod thing doesn't work very well for me...but I found a manual way to do it :)

[22:37:54]

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defaultro:

hey folks, pkg-config is still reporting the old path, how can I tell it to report the new path?

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defaultro:

got it fixed, it's dependent on PKG_CONFIG_PATH

[22:44:36]

Saviq:

yeah it always is

[22:46:15]

Paladine:

http://users.livejournal.com/_paladine_/7968.html &ndash ; read that :)

[22:46:27]

Paladine:

nothing to do with myth (well indrectly it is I suppose)

[22:46:33]

Paladine:

but I want some feedback :)

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[22:48:13]

levander:

I thought someone in here told me libdvdcss was in the ubuntu repositories?

[22:50:49]

Saviq:

http://www.gizmodo.com/gadgets/portable-media . . . r-216544.php

[22:50:54]

Saviq:

question – when will it run Myth? ;]

[22:51:25]

Saviq:

levander: be sure to enable universe / multiverse repos

[22:51:32]

Saviq:

or use automatix

[22:51:46]

levander:

Saviq: they are, packages.ubuntu.com says it doesn't find libdvdcss in edgy or dapper

[22:51:47]

Saviq:

http://www.getautomatix.com/

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Paladine:

isn't it libdvdcss2 now?

[22:52:21]

Paladine:

or something like that

[22:53:19]

levander:

I think it's some libdvdread3 package you're supposed to install now: https://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html

[22:53:40]

Paladine:

yeah libdvdread3 and libdvdcss2

[22:53:46]

Saviq:

that's not enough

[22:53:51]

Paladine:

I just checked my installed packages

[22:54:11]

Saviq:

without css You won't be able to watch protected dvds

[22:54:23]

Saviq:

libdvdcss2-dev – development files for libdvdcss2

[22:54:23]

Saviq:

libdvdcss2 – Library for accessing DVDs like block device usind deCSS if needed

[22:54:43]

levander:

Saviq: searching for libdvdcss2 on packages.ubuntu.com: http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin/search_pac . . . ;release=all

[22:54:57]

Paladine:

yeah when you install libdvdread3 it installs a script you need to invoke in /usr/share/doc/libdvdread3/examples/install-css.sh

[22:55:10]

levander:

Paladine: okay, thanks

[22:56:46]

Saviq:

oh yeah

[22:57:07]

Saviq:

libdvdcss2 is in -seveas repos

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psofa:

im so mad at myth that im gonna try to fix its source

[23:21:36]

psofa:

:/

[23:21:41]

Saviq:

;]

[23:21:44]

Saviq:

what's the problem?

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jstew:

lol

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jstew:

send patches man.

[23:24:16]

defaultro:

heard that it's totally going to be very difficult copying hd-dvd and blue rays

[23:24:45]

defaultro:

psofa, i'm interested at your rant too. What is it?

[23:24:47]

Saviq:

yeah that's why we need not to buy them

[23:24:50]

Saviq:

anyway...

[23:25:03]

jstew:

it was supposed to be difficult to copy standard DVD too

[23:25:06]

Saviq:

css was also non-breakable, was it?

[23:25:17]

jstew:

all it takes is one weak link in the trust chain

[23:25:24]

defaultro:

psofa, careful too because some writers are actually on this channel. It might offend them.

[23:25:35]

defaultro:

ah Saviq

[23:25:37]

defaultro:

cool

[23:25:42]

jstew:

I doubt they would be offended defaultro

[23:25:53]

psofa:

defaultro, heh :P im trying to figure out why myth is lagging so much with video

[23:25:57]

defaultro:

i think they would because they're doing it for free

[23:26:05]

GreyFoxx:

Anyone reasonable problem , and non ignorant rude comments aren't offensive

[23:26:16]

GreyFoxx:

psofa: Still referring to the channel changing ?

[23:26:21]

psofa:

defaultro, after excessive testing im almost sure its myth

[23:26:25]

psofa:

GreyFoxx, no

[23:26:30]

psofa:

im almost used to it :P

[23:26:34]

jstew:

livetv buffer being starved?

[23:26:36]

defaultro:

oh ok

[23:26:42]

GreyFoxx:

what is the "lag" you mean ?

[23:26:42]

defaultro:

i just never had many issues with myth

[23:26:44]

psofa:

im talking about video stuttering

[23:26:49]

GreyFoxx:

ahhh

[23:26:53]

defaultro:

never experienced that, sorry

[23:26:54]

jstew:

press pause, live with it.. lol

[23:27:01]

defaultro:

not even playing 1080p encoded trailers

[23:27:16]

psofa:

1)its not because starvation from live data

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psofa:

2)its not cpu usage

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defaultro:

maybe poor video card?

[23:27:38]

psofa:

3)its not interlacing effects

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psofa:

because i just tried with vdr

[23:28:04]

GreyFoxx:

I've seen afew people mention it, normally right after playback of LiveTV starts, but never in playbackof recordings

[23:28:06]

jstew:

sometimes something seemingly unrelated like alsa drivers can be the culprit, or even the chipset on your mobo

[23:28:24]

psofa:

im experiencing it with 2 different machines

[23:28:33]

jstew:

I get the problem in livetv GreyFoxx, but pressing pause always fixes it.

[23:28:36]

psofa:

also note that stuttering is subjective

[23:28:48]

GreyFoxx:

that is likely part of the lack of good acurate bitrate calculation from ffmpeg that DK mentioned in the slow channel change thread

[23:28:48]

defaultro:

psofa, maybe some kernel atttributes that you have enabled which affects it

[23:28:51]

psofa:

ie me and my bro can see it

[23:28:58]

psofa:

defaultro, nope

[23:29:05]

psofa:

all nice preemtion stuff is in

[23:29:10]

psofa:

using rtc

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defaultro:

what distro?

[23:29:19]

psofa:

plus the video is ok with vdr

[23:29:22]

GreyFoxx:

psofa: does it only happen during the start of livetv before anypausing has occurred ?

[23:29:23]

psofa:

gentoo

[23:29:33]

psofa:

GreyFoxx, it happens all the time

[23:29:42]

GreyFoxx:

ahh, ok even during normal playback

[23:29:46]

defaultro:

what type of recording are you playing, 480p?

[23:29:47]

psofa:

-v playback shows 25 fps playing

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psofa:

normal dvb

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defaultro:

what video card?

[23:30:11]

jstew:

I had a similar problem and it ended up being a bug in the nvidia driver with composite enabled

[23:30:14]

psofa:

but with -v all i can see the fe is waiting for free buffer space on the soundcard

[23:30:17]

defaultro:

have you tried playing the recording via mplayer?

[23:30:19]

GreyFoxx:

psofa: Ifyou have a particularly bad recording and wantto sent it to me (or a snippet) I'll try it out

[23:30:23]

jstew:

There was tearing on the screen too

[23:30:28]

** stuarta watches the 1st Test Match highlights **

[23:30:37]

defaultro:

yeah, make the recording available and i'll play it on my mahcine too

[23:30:41]

psofa:

GreyFoxx, i want to get my facts straight first

[23:30:44]

GreyFoxx:

k

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defaultro:

30mg would be fine

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psofa:

ill try some changes to the alsa output also

[23:31:08]

defaultro:

i think, playing your recording on our machine will tell us something is wrong

[23:31:24]

psofa:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/browser/trunk/myth . . . tputalsa.cpp

[23:31:34]

psofa:

the audio fragment size was computed by using the next lower power of 2

[23:31:34]

psofa:

69 of the following:

[23:31:40]

psofa:

blablabla

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GreyFoxx:

psofa: I once saw lotsof complaining about the buffer space on the sondcardon a machine, turned up extra audio buffering in myth and it went away. It was causing major stuttering too

[23:31:47]

psofa:

const int video_frame_rate = 30;

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psofa:

GreyFoxx, nope

[23:32:17]

GreyFoxx:

I've got a few videos that I can reproduceit on if Iturn off extra buffering

[23:32:26]

psofa:

what extra buffering does is forcing myth to keep the sound into its memory

[23:32:36]

psofa:

thus eliminating the audio skips

[23:32:37]

jstew:

psofa: what dvb provider?

[23:32:38]

GreyFoxx:

I'm aware

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psofa:

but theres something else causing the skips

[23:33:04]

psofa:

which could also cause delays

[23:33:12]

GreyFoxx:

can you play a skippy recording without skipping in say mplayer ?

[23:33:17]

psofa:

jstew, err just fta on hotbird

[23:33:44]

jstew:

I get stuttering on 2 of the channels with DVB on myth but not vdr, and the recording plays fine in mplayer.

[23:33:45]

psofa:

GreyFoxx, what i can definatelly say is that i tried a recording on vlc and :

[23:33:57]

jstew:

but I can deal with it, so no biggie

[23:33:58]

psofa:

the first one started loosing sampling rate after 2 mins

[23:34:07]

psofa:

the second one had audio pops all the time

[23:34:24]

jstew:

does the audio get garbled at all?

[23:34:30]

psofa:

but mplayer seemed to play them without obvious problems but im not sure about the lagging

[23:34:38]

psofa:

jstew, yes

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jstew:

Ok, thats what I get too, but I'm using a setup thats definitely not supported

[23:35:05]

jstew:

;-)

[23:35:06]

psofa:

on the first one the audio was like playing faster and after a sec vlc understood that and synchronized it

[23:37:23]

psofa:

im so gonna hack audiooutputalsa.cpp :P

[23:37:39]

psofa:

id bet thats where the problem

[23:37:53]

psofa:

every 100ms myth waits for the buffer to get freed

[23:38:37]

stuarta:

that sounds a bit odd...

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psofa:

which was even more frequently before i tried the .asourc messing buffer sizes

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emes:

is there any way to transcode to a higher-quality format maintaining the size? like H.264 instead of mpeg4?

[23:46:48]

stuarta:

you can't upconvert because you cannot create information

[23:47:12]

stuarta:

however, you can convert to an alternate codec which maintains the quality at a different size

[23:47:51]

emes:

i mean starting from mpeg2 from the tuner, transcode to h.264 instead of mpeg4

[23:48:29]

stuarta:

yes, but at the moment there isn't a profile for mpeg2->h264 so it must be done as a user job

[23:48:51]

jstew:

does h264 even work well on linux?

[23:49:23]

stuarta:

works, just requires a lot more cpu than mpeg2 & 4

[23:49:50]

emes:

is there really nobody else who's wanted to do this?

[23:50:27]

stuarta:

a few have, it just requires implementing a user job.

[23:51:10]

psofa:

stuarta, also hardcoded buffersizes etc make me suspicious....

[23:51:54]

stuarta:

psofa: ooo, that's not the best....

[23:52:11]

emes:

any way to spend more CPU on encoding the mpeg4 to make it look better? I already enabled "high-quality" encoding

[23:52:39]

stuarta:

keep the bitrate high

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jstew:

psofa: how would you determine them on the fly? by the bitrate?

[23:53:04]

psofa:

jstew, nope

[23:53:24]

stuarta:

you should be able to pull the bitrate out of the decoding libs

[23:53:27]

emes:

i have it set to 2000, though i'm getting hour-long shows at ~500–600MB

[23:53:29]

psofa:

but at least by the framerate channels number etc

[23:54:22]

psofa:

thank god ive got ccache enabled.Debugging with gentoo ebuilds is time consuming

[23:56:44]

emes:

i'm annoyed that itunes shows look a lot better than transcoded mythtv shows

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