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Wednesday, November 22nd, 2006, 00:01 UTC

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smooth__:

any gentooers in here?

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** xris points at Cardoe and kormoc **

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D-side:

i'm about to be again.

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D-side:

because edgy just pissed me off

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kormoc:

heh

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D-side:

i might be able to answer a question about it.

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smooth__:

I'm using mythweb and I'm missing two things

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smooth__:

I'm missing the preview png and transcode

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smooth__:

(actually, neither are related to mythweb, that's just where I noticed it)

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xris:

smooth__: files exist in your recording directory?

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smooth__:

xris: the mpg files exist, but the png's don't

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D-side:

xris: what generates the preview images? imagemagick or something?

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D-side:

pardon my ignorance. :)

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** Cardoe points at xris **

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kormoc:

D-side, mythbackend

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Cardoe:

NOT IT!

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Cardoe:

only times I've ever had it not create the image is when I ran out of HD space.

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smooth__:

when I log in with mythfrontend from a remote computer, I can see a moving preview in my recordings

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xris:

D-side: backend

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D-side:

well thats good anyway.

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sm007h:

I've got plenty of room, though

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D-side:

wonder if the backend log would show anything useful. doubt it

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sm007h:

it hasn't yet

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** D-side goes to install gentoo **

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D-side:

see you fellas in a week.

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D-side:

Cardoe: hey, since you're here, opinion question.

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sm007h:

stage3 and they have a gui installer now, shouldn't take but a few hours these days

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D-side:

amd64 or x86 on a backend?

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sm007h:

x86

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D-side:

i tend to agree, since theres really nothing i'd do otherwise

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kormoc:

if you're gonna transcode a lot, 64 bit imho

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kormoc:

otherwise x86

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sm007h:

I have a dual core for my transcoding jobs

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Cardoe:

kormoc: I actually feel the amd64's are slower then the x86's on transcoding

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D-side:

kormoc: can i ask why?

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sm007h:

if I need it

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D-side:

i'm glad i asked. lets expound upon it. :)

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Cardoe:

since they use a C implementation rather then assembly

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kormoc:

Cardoe, I donno bout amd's 64, but my intel 64 kicks ass on transcoding

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kormoc:

D-side, my 64 bit p-d is quite a lot faster then my 32 bit p4

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Cardoe:

kormoc: you using 32bit binaries or 64bit

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kormoc:

64

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Cardoe:

and my 1ghz PPC was faster then 2.4ghz P4

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hjohnson:

kormoc: transcoding from mpeg2 to h264 occupies maybe 30% CPU on my dual core AMD64

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hjohnson:

Cardoe: well, the PPC would be faster simply because of the AltiVec unit... Altivec was built for doing transcoding type stuff. :)

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D-side:

hjohnson: which proc did you go with again?

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D-side:

i forget.

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D-side:

hjohnson: this nick still fucks me up.

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hjohnson:

D-side: I just keep mentioning it, I know

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hjohnson:

Athlon 64 X2 3200 or something like that

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D-side:

hjohnson: no i swear i wasn't being sarcastic, i don't know what proc you've got.

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D-side:

and now i do.

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hjohnson:

ahh, heh

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D-side:

screw it, its x86 time.

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D-side:

hjohnson: i can hardly blame you for thinking i was going to be a douche.

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hjohnson:

I've got a crapload of these system wid upgrade certificates that I can never use.

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** hjohnson bitches at his company for not springing for the midrange fares. :P **

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hhhjr:

I need a little help with dvb in myth

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hjohnson:

today has been both a good day and a bad day

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hhhjr:

I have sucessfuly loaded the firmware for a nexus -s and now when I try to start the backend I get errors but I could start it before with a pvr 500 that is still installed

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Cardoe:

hjohnson: just saying.. it's faster ;)

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Cardoe:

my backend is a AMD64 3000.. the ultra low power model

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Cardoe:

you don't hear the box

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Cardoe:

except the damn Seagate HD

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D-side:

wow. my seagates are ultra quiet.

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D-side:

i'm surprised.

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D-side:

wow. the gentoo install docs are.. different.

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hjohnson:

Cardoe: heh, yo uhear my back end..

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D-side:

what if i don't want to pick a damn installer

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hjohnson:

but then, it has to cool the huge-arsed CPU, and 6HDs

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hhhjr:

this is the error I get 2006-11–21 19:03:01.406 DB Error (Updating record basename):

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smooth_:

D-side, what do you mean?

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hjohnson:

Cardoe: it's got a 120mm fan in the back, two 92mm fans up front, plus chipset fan, CPU fan, and two PSU fans

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D-side:

i intend to install on a ubuntu box.

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Cardoe:

D-side: you can do the regular..

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Weezey:

Is it possible to run the expiration function manually?

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smooth_:

what version are people using? I'm using .20_p11626

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Cardoe:

I never use the installer

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D-side:

grab a stage3, stick it on the filesystem somewhere, chroot to it, and go.

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Cardoe:

smooth_: same here.

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D-side:

Cardoe: i'm just hunting the docs for that.

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hjohnson:

what annoys me is that the thing has enough fan connectors for all of the fans, but only can monitor 3 of them

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Cardoe:

uh

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Cardoe:

http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/handbook-x86.xml

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smooth_:

hmm, have no idea why it won't create the pngs

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smooth_:

I have imagemagick anyway

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Cardoe:

smooth_: it doesn't need it

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Cardoe:

smooth_: no pngs at all?

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smooth_:

someone suggested that a few days ago

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D-side:

yeah that was my assumption, sorry for the misinformation

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smooth_:

yeah, none at all

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smooth_:

no, it's no problem. someone mentioned that last week

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kormoc:

smooth_, you have them enabled to see in mythweb?

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smooth_:

my use flags are backendonly, dvd, ivtv, mmx, and perl

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D-side:

Cardoe: i swear i'm not always an idiot.

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Cardoe:

smooth_: it could be the backendonly USE flag

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smooth_:

kormoc: I'm not sure if I have them enabled in mythweb. I couldnt find a setting for that. but they aren't on the harddrive

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smooth_:

Cardoe: it could be. but it's not been a problem before so unless it changed with the latest release...

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Cardoe:

the backendonly USE flag breaks stuff

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Cardoe:

well their build system is fucked... there's no other word for it.

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Cardoe:

so who knows.

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kormoc:

smooth_, it's under "MythWeb session settings" as "Show pixmaps"

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smooth_:

they being gentoo?

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hjohnson:

so turning my back end into a wind tunnel, the whole thing doesn't get warmer than 30C :P

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Cardoe:

smooth_: they being upstream... i.e. MythTV

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kormoc:

smooth_, nah, Cardoe writes the mythtv ebuild

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Cardoe:

smooth_: Gentoo would be me...

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Cardoe:

kormoc: beandog has been helping with some stuff.

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kormoc:

nifty

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Cardoe:

good to have someone else that's into it.

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Cardoe:

iggy was spotty at best... which is why I started handling them

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smooth__:

kormoc: I'm not sure if I have them enabled in mythweb. I couldnt find a setting for that. but they aren't on the harddrive

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smooth__:

they being gentoo?

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kormoc:

smooth_, it's under "MythWeb session settings" as "Show pixmaps"

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Cardoe:

gentoo = me

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kormoc:

smooth_, nah, Cardoe writes the mythtv ebuild

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Cardoe:

they = mythtv developers

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smooth__:

damn, this disconnecting is pissing me off

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Cardoe:

well not all of Gentoo is me.

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Cardoe:

but the mythtv ebuilds are me.

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Krazylegz:

dbus

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Krazylegz:

python too, right?

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Cardoe:

Krazylegz: don't let people know that..

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Krazylegz:

Too late!

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Cardoe:

Nah. No Python.

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kormoc:

Krazylegz, there's dbus python bindings, sure

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Krazylegz:

Yeah, hurry up on that dbus stuff. Sheesh. :-)

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Cardoe:

D-Bus, HAL, Cairo and MythTV

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Cardoe:

those are primarily me

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Krazylegz:

The cat's out of the bag.

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hhhjr:

so anyone have any insight why I cannot start the backend after installing a dvb card?

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Cardoe:

I have my hands in a lot of other things.

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kormoc:

cairo!

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kormoc:

when will it get used more

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Cardoe:

hhhjr: give us a full log report.

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** kormoc shakes his head sadly **

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Cardoe:

kormoc: soon as it's not so darn slow.

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Cardoe:

we did some testing last week

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kormoc:

heh

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kormoc:

yeah?

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D-side:

i wonder how minimal i want to keep this box.

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hhhjr:

can I past it here without getting kicked?

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kormoc:

hhhjr, use a pastebin

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kormoc:

like the one in the topic

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Cardoe:

and if we hacked gtk+ to use xft rather then cairo..... it was faster in almost every instance.. sometimes twice as fast.

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D-side:

man do i ever not want to set up a make.conf for this amd64 x2

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kormoc:

yeah, I can see that

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Cardoe:

hhhjr: http://www.rafb.net/paste or http://pastebin.com or http://pastebin.ca

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hhhjr:

ok let me read a bit

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Cardoe:

D-side: it'll be easy

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Cardoe:

Cardoe 5-step guide to make.conf's

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D-side:

Cardoe: my problem is cruft.

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D-side:

i will listen attentively to this 5 step guide.

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Cardoe:

Seriously.. I go for the easiest setup.

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Cardoe:

what video card do you have?

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D-side:

nvidia 6600GT

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Cardoe:

will you be using ~amd64 or just amd64?

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Cardoe:

do you have a remote?

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D-side:

Cardoe: i'm honestly not sure if i'm even going amd64.

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Cardoe:

do it.

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D-side:

yeah?

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Cardoe:

it's not tough at all.

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D-side:

even for transcoding?

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hjohnson:

mm.. jellybeans

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Cardoe:

yeah

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D-side:

i ask that because of issues i had with w32codecs with mere playback.

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Cardoe:

hjohnson: why does your nick seem so damn familiar?

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Cardoe:

D-side: what types of videos?

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Cardoe:

D-side: I've been bittorrenting tv shows in HD without any problems

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tracy:

any1 been bitching about zap2it and HD OTA channel lineup lately?

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Cardoe:

D-side: so got a remote? what kind?

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D-side:

Cardoe: wmv i'd guess mainly. really i don't care about any of that now though, since this is mainly going to be a myth-only backend/frontend

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hjohnson:

heh, I now have 12 Air Canada System Wide upgrade tickets that I'll never be able to use.

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D-side:

Cardoe: IR keyboard.

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D-side:

pvr250 and firewire HD cable box.

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D-side:

pretty easy setup all together.

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D-side:

i have no need for lirc at the moment.

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D-side:

really i use an OS X frontend for most playback, but HD i think i'm going to watch on the SDTV thats connected with svideo.

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D-side:

until i get myself a nice new HDTV. :)

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hjohnson:

I wonder if I can get myself a buisness class upgrade on my way to Hawaii

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Cardoe:

D-side: any special drivers?

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Cardoe:

for the remote

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D-side:

hjohnson: man this is the first time you're going somewhere i've been. :)

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Cardoe:

ok

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Cardoe:

so..

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Cardoe:

open up the default /etc/make.conf

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D-side:

sorry, just making sure you're not lagged.

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D-side:

Cardoe: hell i'm in the middle of d/l'ing the stage3 tarball. :)

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D-side:

but i'll copy what you're saying into a text file

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hjohnson:

D-side: but I'm doing it on the company dime. :P

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hjohnson:

i'm actually kind of looking forward to GTMO

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hhhjr:

ok here is the pastbin for mythbackend not starting http://pastebin.com/830169

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D-side:

cuba?

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hhhjr:

mybackend was running with a pvr500 until I installed the ttpci firmware

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hjohnson:

D-side: yeah

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hjohnson:

ttpci?

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D-side:

hjohnson: you love going places where the natives hate us. :)

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hjohnson:

:D

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hhhjr:

if I dmesg it stated it is there

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D-side:

tarball nearly done. i'll grab the portage snapshot while i'm at it.

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hjohnson:

i'm hoping to do some SCUBA diving while I'm there. <G>

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D-side:

hjohnson: oh, btw. per "the company dime"

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D-side:

hjohnson: f you.

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hjohnson:

:D

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Cardoe:

D-side: good.. stage3 is good.

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Cardoe:

D-side: sorry there's people walking in and out.

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D-side:

no way in hell i'm doing a 1. plenty of reasons not to

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D-side:

Cardoe: no worries.

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D-side:

i've still got a bit to do before iget to make.conf editting

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hhhjr:

I am a complete newbie but I was reading in a fourm that dvb had issues with ubuntu edgy

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sm007h:

that was weird, I don't think I was connected

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Cardoe:

http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/2mgtvs51.html

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Cardoe:

that's my setup

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Cardoe:

once you get into the chroot.. "emerge ccache gentoolkit"

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D-side:

thanks, let me take a look

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sm007h:

I used to have fortran off, but no one could tell me if it was something I'd like so I put it back

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kormoc:

fortran?

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smooth:

USE flag

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** kormoc blinks **

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smooth:

the only place I've seen it is in gcc

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kormoc:

it's a computer language, one that is rarely used anymore

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smooth:

so I turned it back on

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D-side:

smooth: theres no reason for you to ever use that.

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kormoc:

it just tellls gcc to build the fortran compiler

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smooth:

kormoc: I know what it is ;)

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D-side:

Cardoe: you're suggesting i use ~amd64?

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smooth:

I'm pretty old, lol

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D-side:

for my one and only production backend? :)

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D-side:

just making sure

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kormoc:

well, you do know you can control use flags can be set per package, so you don't need to mess with the globals, right?

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smooth:

hmm, it's in the default profile.

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Cardoe:

D-side: I use it on mine.

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smooth:

I know that, if that's what you're asking

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Cardoe:

It's up to you.

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Cardoe:

TBH

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Cardoe:

you can do per package keywords

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smooth:

the point is, that it's on by default on both the server and desktop profile. so the question is whether I wanted to turn it off, not turn it on

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Cardoe:

smooth: you're talking about fortran?

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smooth:

Cordoe: yeah

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smooth:

(among other things)

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smooth:

if the docs were decent enough, I'd set -* and go from there

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smooth:

descriptions usually run along the lines of: turns foo on or off. as the case with fortran: enables/disables fortran.

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smooth:

that's not very helpful ;)

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psofa:

wow!

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psofa:

holy shit!

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smooth:

it'd be nice if the description said: fortran, not used anymore <or> fortran, not used much, but still desired for portage

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D-side:

i'm conflicted over ~

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smooth:

or something like that, you know

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psofa:

all that long i was wondering why do things playback so laggy etc

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psofa:

but i open an mpeg recording

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psofa:

with vlc

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smooth:

D-side: amd64 I have ~ for both machines

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psofa:

and its even worse

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psofa:

!

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D-side:

eh why the hell not

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psofa:

theres something wrong with the sound

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psofa:

like its accelerating

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smooth:

pretty much most packages are sitting over there. not really an issue with stability, just decisions by the devs, I thnk

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psofa:

and then deaccelerating!

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D-side:

oh fucking hell. i just had a thought

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smooth:

and just think, you can pkay with beryl :D

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D-side:

UGH what a pain in my ass.

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D-side:

yep. as i figured. i've got to install this within an x86 chroot. there will be no amd64 for me.

[00:50:22]

D-side:

i have no other choice but to do it that way.

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smooth:

what do you mean?

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D-side:

the backend box is currently ubuntu edgy. i can't take it down to install gentoo on it, so i need to dump the stage3 and portage snapshot to a spot on its filesystem, then chroot that.

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D-side:

so there won't be any chroot'ing to an amd64 stage3.

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smooth:

other option is to build it on another box

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smooth:

and then just tar it up and then move it over to the ubuntu box

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D-side:

heh. thanks for that insight. :)

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D-side:

there is no other box.

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smooth:

yeah well, sometimes people get tunnel vision ;) just a though

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smooth:

*hought

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D-side:

it'd be easy, you're right

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smooth:

or use a livecd and chroot into the ubuntu env and keep it live. while building the gentoo env

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** D-side ponders **

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D-side:

not sure how much i like that idea.

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smooth:

me neither, but other than that, I think you'd be stuck x86

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D-side:

i'd have to run a ton of crap in that chroot. metric assload.

[00:56:06]

D-side:

now you've got me thinking about that.

[00:56:07]

D-side:

stop it

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smooth:

:D

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smooth:

64bit has been sillly fun for me so far. no problems

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D-side:

an amd64 livecd is still multilib isnt it? so i COULD get away with that kind of nonsense.

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D-side:

hell. if the livecd will support dmraid i might try it.

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kslater:

is there an easy way to see the raw xml that mythfilldatabase is pulling down?

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kslater:

or pulled down the last time?

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smooth:

why else would you mess with gentoo right now :P

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D-side:

because edgy pissed me off

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smooth:

D-side: the newest gentoo livecd lets me setup and use evms2

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smooth:

evms_activate at the prompt

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D-side:

i dunno if i have any need for evms.

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smooth:

I'm not sure if that will give you what you need, but I use raid

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D-side:

and if i have to think about it, the answer is pretty much no.

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D-side:

raid and lvm/evms are two different things though

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smooth:

I thought dmraid can be managed by evms

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D-side:

thats... interesting.

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smooth:

my point isn't to use evms, but that if it can manage dmraid, then the tools are on the livecd

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D-side:

understood. i had no idea it could do that though.

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D-side:

i always figured dmraid was unmanageable. :)

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smooth:

lol

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D-side:

only went with it because i have identical 250gb drives i want for raid0

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D-side:

hhrm. i wonder if its version of dmraid will even read an nvsata raid0 set

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smooth:

I use linux raid, not the mobo chipset

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smooth:

pretty much for that reason, and the performance gains I've read are better than chipset varieties

[01:03:56]

smooth:

but after a few years of raid, and lots of reading, the only raid I'd even mess with is 1 or 5 at this point

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smooth:

I was a pretty big advocate of raid0, but not anymore

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smooth:

never had data loss myself, but I can understand the logic of recommending against it for desktop use

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** hjohnson is running a 5 disk RAID 5 array **

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smooth:

http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-483382-h . . . -conrad.html

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smooth:

didn't use it myself, but a quick search netted that

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hjohnson:

it sucks a fair bit of CPU to transfer at high speed.

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smooth:

I bet

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hjohnson:

all SATA drives

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smooth:

hopefully I can get some SATA drives this coming up weekend

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smooth:

looking for some good deals

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smooth:

that conrad link is for a live cd with dmraid

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D-side:

thanks

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D-side:

problem is, i think i've shot myself in the foot.

[01:08:48]

D-side:

i built a raid0 array and stuck all my recordings on it.

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D-side:

its the only storage device with enough room for what i'm recording tonight. problem is, dmraid and nvraid have problems with raid0 in newer kernels.

[01:09:45]

smooth:

hmm, now that's the best argument for evms ;)

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hjohnson:

local computer shop(tm) had a killer deal on 320GB HDs.. $100 a pop or so, so I bought 5.

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** smooth is glad he took the time to slough through the docs the first time **

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D-side:

eh.

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D-side:

if i needed to just append storage i'd use lvm.

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D-side:

right now i'm stuck with keeping this stupid raid0 for now.

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smooth:

evms manages lvm

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D-side:

for NOW.

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D-side:

lvm is pretty manageable on its own. i've never used evms so i have no idea how it would really benefit me

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smooth:

I put it incorrectly

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smooth:

evms was rewritten to use lvm

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kormoc:

but evms is enterprisy, which is what we all want, isn't it? :P

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D-side:

oh for chrissakes i have no optical drive in that box

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D-side:

and i cant boot off firewire

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D-side:

this, boys and girls, is what happens when you make a shitty decision and try to deal with it piecemeal instead of scrapping it and doing shit the right way

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smooth:

D-side: this is going to be a fun install, lol

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D-side:

yep. x86 it is.

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smooth:

so now you not only have to simultaneously chroot into an x86 and 64bit environment, you get to do this all from a mounted iso ;)

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D-side:

the gains of using amd64 can't be worth this ordeal.

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D-side:

if i had a usb cdrw i'd already be booting a livecd. :)

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smooth:

yes they can....and not only that, but what are you going to do in 5 months ;)

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smooth:

you can boot a livecd from a loopback device.....

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D-side:

i wonder

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D-side:

i've got a 1gb usb stick.. :D

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kormoc:

meh, I just installed gentoo as 32 bit, and then updated it to 64 bit later

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smooth:

that works too

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smooth:

the usb stick that is

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D-side:

i wonder how i'd boot a cd off a usb mem stick though

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D-side:

can't just dd the iso to it. heh

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smooth:

I did that, there's a link banging around somewhere

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smooth:

why can't you just mount the iso?

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D-side:

theres no optical drive on that box.

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smooth:

D-side, you dont' need an optical drive...

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smooth:

that's soo 20th century ;D

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D-side:

smooth

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D-side:

what the hell are you talking about

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D-side:

haha i'm about to throw the box out the window instead

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smooth:

D-side, you can mount the iso on a loopback device. you don't need to have a livecd on an actual physical medium to use it

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D-side:

sure

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D-side:

but i can't run amd64 binaries off an x86 system.

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cornell:

I'm concerned that my database is corrupted, anyway to "repair" it?

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D-side:

otherwise i'd just chroot into the amd64 stage3 dir

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smooth:

but you can run x86 binaries with an 64bit processor

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smooth:

so you dl the iso, mount it from grub, and proceed from there

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D-side:

mount it from GRUB?

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smooth:

(dl the 64bit iso)

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smooth:

yeah

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D-side:

are you fucking arouund with me?

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D-side:

copying that iso over to the box now.

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smooth:

I'm not fucking around, and even if for some reason it messes up, the usb stick definately works

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kormoc:

sure, you can mount the iso via grub, but you still can't screw with the drives that the iso is sitting on

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D-side:

i might not have to.

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D-side:

theres three drives in that box. the OS drive, and two 250's dmraid'ed for 0

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D-side:

if i can mount the iso that lives on the OS drive, i can just install to the raid0 set.

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D-side:

provided its version of dmraid + kernel will let me mount that raid0 as it is.

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D-side:

either way, this is worth my doing, just to see how grub will let me boot an iso

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fryfrog:

2006-11–21 21:38:18.468 NVP: Waiting for prebuffer.. 0 ALAAAAAAAAAAAAAuAALAAAAAAAAAAAA

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fryfrog:

what do the various letters me?

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fryfrog:

mean?

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PSU:

hi guys, where do you need to send video files for mythtv-video? i uploaded a .avi file to /mythtv/video but it didn't show up. do i need to re-scan or something? thanks!

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fryfrog:

Damnit, HD playback is using *over* 100% cpu still!!!

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fryfrog:

what in the world is wrong?

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PSU:

does the commerical skip work well for you guys?

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kslater:

PSU you need oto rescan

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kslater:

*to

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PSU:

kslater: how? :)

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kslater:

I can't recall

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kslater:

eventhough I do it from time to time

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PSU:

ok

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PSU:

will try to continue reading

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PSU:

i couldnt' find any reference :/

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kslater:

it's in the documents though. or try the wiki daily use guide

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PSU:

ok will look again

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kslater:

commercial skip works well depending on the source

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kslater:

for most things it's works great for me, so shows play tricks to throw it off I swear.

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PSU:

yeah

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PSU:

it's hit or miss in the few shows i've played back

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kslater:

fryfrog: do you get your HD OTA or via cable

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kslater:

PSU: what is your capture card and source?

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PSU:

Hauppauge WinTV-PVR-350 / standard cable (?)

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PSU:

Make sure you go into Settings/Utilities -> Video Manager first, which

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PSU:

>will rescan the videos directory and make the necessary updates to the

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PSU:

>MythVideo tables

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kslater:

well that should work pretty well

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PSU:

will try that

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PSU:

does that sound familar?

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kslater:

yes

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PSU:

ok

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PSU:

will try once the wife is done watching her show :)

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kslater:

I usually just poke around with the remote

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PSU:

:)

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kslater:

there are settings for the commercial skip

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kslater:

default is just blank frame detection

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kslater:

you can add in channel icon overlay and other methods to try to get it better

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PSU:

oh cool

[01:50:43]

PSU:

that's a neat idea (channel icon overlay)

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PSU:

where would i find these?

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kslater:

is this a new-to-you system?

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PSU:

brand new...last friday set it up

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PSU:

knoppmyth

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kslater:

it's in the settings under TV I think

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PSU:

just recorded 4–5 shows that's all :)

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PSU:

ok

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PSU:

will take a look

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kslater:

my whole family is hooked, been using it for years

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kslater:

makes it hard to upgrade to new versions b/c they won't stand for downtime

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PSU:

haha

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PSU:

that's cool

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hjohnson:

kslater: hmm.. have they tried audio compression detection?

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PSU:

just re-scanned and found video

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PSU:

didn't have sound though

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PSU:

will have to research some more

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hjohnson:

advertisers compress the hell out of the audio for commercials, to make them seem louder.

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PSU:

have u run acros that kslater?

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hjohnson:

it would involve some audio signal processing, but it's fairly easy to detect analog compression.

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kslater:

interesting

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kslater:

I think xris is the guy that did the commercial detection

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D-side:

uh

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xris:

kslater: nope, not even close

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kslater:

sorry wrong chris

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kslater:

it was pinkham originally I think

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kslater:

xris is one of the mythweb guys

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hjohnson:

(When I say audio compression, i'm talking as in an analog compander/limiter... the effect basically reduces the difference between quiet and loud sounds, so the overall volume is the same.. he human brain, bein ga bit on the stupid side,interprets this as being a very loud thing, when in fact the overall loudness of the signal hasn't changed)

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smooth:

man, now I've got my png issue fixed, but I can't connect to the mythconverg dB from my frontend....

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hjohnson:

<--- done too much studio work in his time. :P

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kslater:

PSU: I guess it would depend on whether the source was known to have correct audio

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kslater:

also, depends on what's being used to play back the videos

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kslater:

someone told me xine sometimes has trouble with invoking the a52 codec

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smooth:

are we supposed to set our mysql.txt to the ip, the hostname, or localhost ?

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smooth:

and the same Q in regards to mythtv-setup

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kslater:

if your machines have static addresses you should use those

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kslater:

if you have a reliable DNS you can use hostnames

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kslater:

if you use localhost, you're in trouble when it comes time to add another FE or BE

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smooth:

my router?

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kslater:

what about it?

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smooth:

if I use localhost on the BE, can I use ip or hostname on the FE's?

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smooth:

reliable enough ? ;)

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PSU:

kslater: thanks. it plays on my windows box fine...so i'll have to investigate

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smooth:

or do all of the ID's have to match across the board?

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kslater:

remote FE can't connect to a BE if it's using localhost AFAIK

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smooth:

I was thinking of putting localhost on all the settings on my BE. but I wasn't sure if I can use 'localhost' or '127.0.,0.1'

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smooth:

ah, that's what I was wondering

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kslater:

much better plan to use actual addresses

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smooth:

I have static ip's, so the absolute best for compatibility is actual ip addys?

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smooth:

cool, thakns

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smooth:

well, I can't connect to my dB on the FE or BE

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kslater:

permissions?

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kslater:

anyone know about xmltvid column in mythconverg.channel?

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smooth:

I have full access on mythconverg and grant

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smooth:

I also tried using my root user instead of mythtv user and that didn't work either

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kslater:

you mean you can't connect to your mythconverg db from the command line using msql and the root id?

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kslater:

*mysql

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kslater:

so "mysql mythconverg" as the root user fails?

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smooth:

kslater: I can connect from the command line

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kslater:

ok

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smooth:

when I run mythtv-setup or mythtv from my FE's or my BE, I can't connect to the dB

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kslater:

hmm

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smooth:

I'm going to walk through all of my configs again

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kslater:

what's in mysql.txt?

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smooth:

it seems like I have some issue or another every week......

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smooth:

I'm trying ip# now

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smooth:

I had it ip, then I had localhost, then I had hostname

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smooth:

so now I'm back to ip for all of my mysql.txt's

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Speedy2:

Hrm, does the mysql daemon need to be launched as root?

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smooth:

hmm, so mythtv-setup works when I use localhost but it doesn't work when I use my localhost's ip

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smooth:

*in mysql.txt

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JPAULEY:

I have MythGame installed, and I have selected a game — how to I run it? Hitting "Enter" or "Ok" on my remote doesn't do it

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kslater:

anyone know the insert into syntax for mysql?

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JPAULEY:

kslater: insert into table (field1, field2, field3) values (field1-value, field2-value, field3-value);

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JPAULEY:

err

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JPAULEY:

put tablename after the word "table"

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fryfrog:

do I want "--enable-opengl-vsync" in ./configure for mythtv?

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kslater:

how about a where clause in there?

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JPAULEY:

kslater: inserts don't have where

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fryfrog:

it just turns on that option to be usable, not forces it on right?

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Speedy2:

fryfrog: Does your video card/driver support OpenGL?

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kslater:

DOH

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fryfrog:

yar, nvidia card

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Speedy2:

fryfrog: Correct, does not force anything.

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** kslater realizes that he wants update **

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JPAULEY:

kslater: update table set field=value where field=value

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kslater:

right

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JPAULEY:

once again, put table name in there

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JPAULEY:

Anyone know how to play the game I have selected in the game menu? It is all there but nothing happens :~(

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fryfrog:

so really, it doesn't hurt much to compile svn mythtv with *everything* turned on

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fryfrog:

cause you aren't forced to USE it, right?

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Speedy2:

fryfrog: Right.

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JPAULEY:

Speedy2: any idea what button actually plays the game I have selected or where some error log may be?

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JPAULEY:

no one knows? at all?

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JPAULEY:

is there any mythtv error log somewhere?

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fryfrog:

you can use "-v help" to see the verbose output options for the backend and frontend

[02:46:45]

fryfrog:

you can use "-l /path/to/log" to set where the log file goes

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Speedy2:

JPAULEY: Sorry, I'm not there yet.

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fryfrog:

default is usually "/var/log/myhtv/

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JPAULEY:

yeah — nothing in there

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Speedy2:

JPAULEY: I know the MythWeb interface lets you redfine keys. Is that working for you?

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fryfrog:

JPAULEY: nothing as in, there is literally 0 of anything in /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log?

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fryfrog:

or that log file isn't there?

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JPAULEY:

fryfrog, yes

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fryfrog:

or there isn't anything *useful* in the log file?

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JPAULEY:

emptyu

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JPAULEY:

empty

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JPAULEY:

Speedy2: my keys are setup --

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fryfrog:

JPAULEY: so make it *not* empty, i just explained how

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fryfrog:

what distro you use?

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JPAULEY:

ubuntu

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fryfrog:

in ubuntu (maybe debian too?) there is an /etc/default/mythtv-backend

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JPAULEY:

there is useless stuff in the .1 file

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fryfrog:

maybe /etc/defaults/?

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Speedy2:

Hrm, when issuing basic commands using mysqladmin I keep getting : mysqladmin: connect to server at 'localhost' failed . WTF?

[02:48:52]

fryfrog:

you should see an "extra opts" thing, throw "-v <somethign>" there

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fryfrog:

Speedy2: is your msyql server running a network socket or a file socket? the default on a *lot* of distros is to *skip* networking

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fryfrog:

or maybe you are binding to an *actual* interface only?

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Speedy2:

fryfrog: Let me check the config file; I'm working from one machine (FE and BE will be / are on the same machine)

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Speedy2:

fryfrog: I'm using the default config for mysql (the "medium"); I compiled MySQL from source, left everything at defaults.

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Speedy2:

fryfrog: The config file says networking is disabled, and everything must connect through UNIX sockets

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fryfrog:

Speedy2: i'm not sure how you tell mysql / mysqladmin to use a *socket* instead of network :/

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fryfrog:

check --help?

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fryfrog:

and search your drive for "mysql.sock" or "mysqld.sock" i forget which

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smooth:

ok, this is getting frustrating

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Speedy2:

fryfrog: That's bizarre. All the mysql programs default to network access but the default config is setup for a socket? WTF

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fryfrog:

security, or something

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fryfrog:

i guess :)

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Speedy2:

fryfrog: Can I /msg you?

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fryfrog:

i'm about to goto bed, so you'd be talking to the cats :(

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Speedy2:

bah

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fryfrog:

you are pretty safe enabling networking

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Speedy2:

What do I need to change in my mysql config file to allow networking (is it a one liner)?

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fryfrog:

if you can't figure out how to get the client to hit a file

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fryfrog:

oh, 2 things

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fryfrog:

there might be a "skip-networking" line

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fryfrog:

thats easy, just # it

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Speedy2:

It's already commented out

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fryfrog:

it also might be set to only allow localhost

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fryfrog:

like "bind 127.0.0.1" or something like that

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fryfrog:

but *if* that were true, your mysqladmin should have connected

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fryfrog:

maybe you just need to restart your mysqld?

[02:55:53]

fryfrog:

anyway, now i'm really gone sorry :)

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Speedy2:

I tried that (restarting the daemon)

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Speedy2:

I was able to set the password for one account and then suddenly I kept getting those error messags

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kslater:

anyone know what the atscsrcid is in the channel table?

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Speedy2:

Hrm, seems I set the root password as the default user. Is there any easy way to flush all the mysql data and have it re-create it?

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kslater:

how well does mythweb handle multiple channel lineups?

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kash:

i got my directv box to auto change channels

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kash:

<3

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kslater:

xris: how well does mythweb cope with multiple tuners?

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GreyFoxx:

mythweb has nothing to do with it

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xris:

kslater: what do you mean?

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GreyFoxx:

the backend does all scheduling

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kslater:

I seem to not be showing my HD OTA stuff eventhough there are programs in there

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kslater:

but there are channel number overlaps

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kslater:

tuner 1 ch 221 and tuner 2 ch 221

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xris:

kslater: only cares about the callsign

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xris:

HD stuff has a different callsign

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kslater:

true, wonder why only 1 of the channels is showing up in the listings?

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xris:

do they have different callsigns?

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kslater:

something is missing from the channel or program tables I fear

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kash:

how can i remove channels from the guide?

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kslater:

it's this whole stupid zap2it change I think

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frankrizz:

hey

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oblib:

I have been having problems with mythbackend lately. When the computer first boots up, sometimes it doesn't seem to connect to the SQL server (no upcoming recordings scheduled). Also, it doesn't always detect when the frontend is killed (front and backends on one box), so the shutdown script doesn't always run.

[04:07:31]

oblib:

Sometimes it will even suddenly run the shutdown script even though I'm using the frontend.

[04:07:56]

oblib:

I recently upgraded to Ubuntu Edgy from Dapper, and I'm using a self-compile of 0.20

[04:08:07]

oblib:

Has anyone else seen something similar?

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tracy:

kslater: still having fun with zap2it?

[04:25:02]

kslater:

hey

[04:25:14]

kslater:

funny you should ask. I think I just solved a few of my problems

[04:25:16]

tracy:

basically i think every1 with ota hd tuners is screwed

[04:25:35]

tracy:

i have one channel with guide info.. the first one

[04:25:36]

kslater:

I was just poking around in the db for a while

[04:25:44]

kslater:

that's what I used to have

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tracy:

dunno how it got there

[04:25:51]

kslater:

do you have multiple tuners?

[04:25:54]

tracy:

yip

[04:26:01]

tracy:

all the SD stuff is fine

[04:26:13]

kslater:

do the channels minus the tuner id overlap?

[04:26:42]

tracy:

say that again?

[04:26:49]

kslater:

example you have a channel 211 on the SD tuner and a channel 21.1 or 211 on the HD tuner?

[04:27:21]

tracy:

on SD i only go to 70 +-

[04:27:32]

tracy:

my first HD channel is 9.1

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kslater:

hmm

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tracy:

although i seem to have lost 3.1 and 3.2

[04:28:10]

kslater:

here's what I just did. I went in and looked at the channel table and found my hd channels were missing info

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kslater:

specifically the xmltvid was missing from all of them

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kslater:

so I grabbed my hd listings with tvgrab_na_dd

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kslater:

then I found the xmltvid in there and dropped it into the channel table

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tracy:

did u just run tvgrab_na_dd

[04:29:45]

kslater:

I did, but only to get the listings from zap2it so I could look thru them

[04:29:46]

tracy:

i'm sure i tried that already, but i will try anything

[04:29:57]

twisty7867:

anyone in here have ATSC-110 (or indeed any dvb card on Ubuntu?)

[04:30:23]

tracy:

i looked on zap2it's website for the xmltvid's and updated them and it did not work the last time

[04:30:34]

tracy:

i used mythweb to update it

[04:30:45]

kslater:

so then I noticed that I had some overlap in channel numbers b/c my hd channels were majorminor format

[04:30:48]

kslater:

no . or _

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tracy:

kslater: after updating the xmltvid's what did u do?

[04:31:18]

kslater:

then I changed the channum to major.minor format

[04:31:30]

kslater:

now I see my listings in both mythweb and the program guide

[04:31:45]

frankrizzo:

is there another distro of linux that anyone would reccomend aside from Fedora? Not having such good like with Fedora 5

[04:31:49]

kslater:

it turns out there were entries in the progam table for the hd ota channels

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tracy:

ok my channum's look like 36.1

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frankrizzo:

(rec for myth tv)

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kslater:

tracy: is hd tuner # 2?

[04:32:27]

tracy:

yip

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tracy:

and my chanid is 2361

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kslater:

ok, are you comfortable with sql?

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tracy:

been working in it for 15 years... yip comfortable

[04:33:53]

kslater:

run this query: select chanid, count(*) from program where chanid > 2000 group by chanid;

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tracy:

i see my xmlidtv's are not in there, so i am going to update that... ok will run that

[04:34:15]

kslater:

see if you have listings in the program table for hd ota like I did

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tracy:

chanid count(*)

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tracy:

2091 381

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tracy:

that is the only one that had program info

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kslater:

so you have 381 entries for 9.1

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tracy:

my very first one

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tracy:

and

[04:35:44]

kslater:

which is what I found

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tracy:

it is the only one with an xmltvid

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kslater:

oh ga

[04:35:55]

kslater:

aha

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kslater:

do you have listings for any others or is that it?

[04:36:22]

tracy:

only 9.1

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tracy:

like the query returned

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kslater:

ok, so populate xmltvid and run mythfilldatabase again

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tracy:

so, if i go update the xmltvid's, did u just run mythfilldatabase after that?

[04:37:07]

tracy:

ok, thanks let me try with one

[04:37:08]

kslater:

yes

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tracy:

last time i did them all and it did not work... lol

[04:37:29]

kslater:

I don't know that it will stick, but I'm hopeful.

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** kslater ever the optomist **

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tracy:

only going to do one quickly

[04:38:58]

tracy:

ok first i have to find tvgrab_na_dd ;)

[04:39:17]

kslater:

you mean to get the xmltvid's?

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tracy:

yip

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tracy:

i dont have tvgrab_na_dd on this box

[04:40:59]

tracy:

i think i am going to find them the other way

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tracy:

frankrizzo: have u tried knoppmyth?

[04:42:12]

tracy:

i have it running ok'ish under FC6 using http://wilsonet.com/mythtv/

[04:46:19]

tracy:

i wonder if i have to wait untill the end of mythfilldatabase before seeing it in mythweb

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tracy:

bummer, that did not work for me

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kslater:

tracy: you don't have a distro that has yum by default perchance, do you?

[04:49:03]

kslater:

if you want to PM me your zap2it info, I could run tvgrab_na_dd for you from here

[04:49:03]

kslater:

not that you should trust me with anything like that

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tracy:

yip i have yum

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kslater:

hmm

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kslater:

trying to think if I made any other adjustments

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tracy:

is it a yum install to get it

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kslater:

you mean tvgrab_na_dd?

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tracy:

yip

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kslater:

yum install xmltv-grabbers

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tracy:

just tried another one... didnt work

[04:52:55]

kslater:

I did populate the atscscrid as well, but I did that after I ran mythfilldatabase

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tracy:

i probably dont have the same repositories set up as u.. i didnt install it

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tracy:

unless it is already installed.. checkin

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kslater:

one of the reasons I ran tv_grab_na_dd was I wanted to see what zap2it was sending down

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tracy:

strange i have xmltv-grabbers-0.5.44–68.fc6.at installed

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frankrizzo:

tracy, i am having screwy problems with mytharchive under 0.20 & Fedora 5

[04:55:35]

frankrizzo:

so maybe I am willing to give fc6 a try

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kslater:

tv_grab_na_dd is the grabber, I mistyped above

[04:56:04]

tracy:

frankrizzo: i love mytharchive under fc6, except for one prob

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tracy:

thanks kslater, i got it

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kslater:

what did you use as the xmltvid for the ones you updated?

[04:57:11]

tracy:

frankrizzo: once i have burnt a couple eps to dvd, when the banner and menu apear, i have to wait for the music to stop before i can select anything

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kslater:

the xml file had like INNNNN.labs.zap2it.com or something

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frankrizzo:

were you running fc5 before ?

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kslater:

I just used the 5 digit number

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tracy:

kslater: i went to www.zap2it.com and hover over the channel, and look in the urn for svnNUM= and that is the xmltvid

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tracy:

checked with the one that was populating correctly 9.1, they matched, and then tried adding 2 more

[04:58:58]

tracy:

but now i will look at what the grabber is getting

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tracy:

frankrizzo: i was running fc5 before, but

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kslater:

cool

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tracy:

when i went to 0.20, i also decided to go to fc6

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frankrizzo:

ah, and are you running the rpms for 0.20 or the svn?

[04:59:51]

tracy:

actually i was on fc4 with 0.19

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kslater:

tracy: one question for you, did you get all the ota hd channels in your area with the initial scan?

[05:00:13]

tracy:

and then went to fc5 and 0.20... scrfewed that up, so then i went on to fc6

[05:00:38]

tracy:

kslater: naa, i think i am missing a couple

[05:00:51]

tracy:

but using an indoor antenna

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kslater:

I'm missing one that I should be able to get it's in the same direction as 2 other that I get just fine

[05:01:19]

kslater:

I wonder how I could find the freq and manually add it in?

[05:01:32]

tracy:

what about that website?

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tracy:

ummm, let me go find it

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kslater:

antennaweb?

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tracy:

yip

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tracy:

http://www.antennaweb.org/aw/welcome.aspx

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kslater:

I'll go have another look, maybe I can just insert the data

[05:05:20]

Speedy2:

Hrm. I'm trying to compily MythTV (SVN) and even after enabling XvMC I get: "XvMC OpenGL sup. no"

[05:06:14]

Speedy2:

Anyone else here use an nVidia video card that does XvMC? Does that option usually become "yes" for you?

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tracy:

kslater: strange the grabber only grabs one channel

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tracy:

i wonder if i am doing something wrong

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kslater:

that is strange. are you sure that the zap2it listing still has all your channels checked off?

[05:07:52]

tracy:

nope, i only have one selected for some crazy reason on labs2it

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kslater:

I've heard of that happening to folks too

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recurs|ve:

my friend just told me about mythtv yesterday. i have many computers and wanted to do the following... i want to have a small computer act like a simple relay box simply streaming audio/video from my server. is mythtv easy enough to setup like this? i would also like to play my roms as well, but this is not necessary. i understand that mythtv does so much more, but this is all i need at this time.

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Speedy2:

recurs|ve: Honestly if all you want to do is play audio/video from your network, you could just use Samba or NFS and play the files over your network using mplayer or xine

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tracy:

yip Mythtv is a bigger animal

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tracy:

and once u hooked, u gonna spend your life on it ;)

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Speedy2:

recurs|ve: You could use "Freevo" or "Oxine"

[05:12:06]

recurs|ve:

Speedy2: ^^ are they a bit smaller?

[05:12:09]

Speedy2:

recurs|ve: "Oxine" is GUI you can use on your TV, it will do almost exactly what you want

[05:12:19]

Speedy2:

recurs|ve: Oxine or Freevo are smaller and easier to get going. Oxine has almost zero setup.

[05:12:24]

kormoc:

recurs|ve, really, just using it as a nfs/samba share would be perfect for your needs

[05:12:27]

Speedy2:

Oxine == Set Top Box front-end to xine

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kormoc:

recurs|ve, they act as if they're local to the machine, but are actually sitting on the server

[05:12:55]

recurs|ve:

Speedy2: so it sounds like mythtv is more of a backend... is this correct?

[05:13:07]

kormoc:

recurs|ve, myth is a backend *and* a frontend

[05:13:42]

kormoc:

recurs|ve, and it's designed around tv time shifting and all that, the extras like mythvideo and mythgame are just add ons that aren't to strong on their own

[05:13:46]

recurs|ve:

alright. thank you much for the help. maybe when i get internet and cable at my house ill cross the mythtv user line :)

[05:14:03]

recurs|ve:

so mythgame is lacking?

[05:14:08]

kormoc:

well

[05:14:29]

kormoc:

it's not nearly as good to use as some of the other stand alone frontends

[05:16:02]

recurs|ve:

kormoc: ive been in the unix server world too long, frontend hardly has a meaning anymore... can you cite a few names for me?

[05:16:08]

Speedy2:

I notice when compiling mythtv (SVN) in libavcodec it's using -Di386 — can I change that?

[05:16:28]

Speedy2:

err -march=pentiumpro when I want it to use -march=pentium-m

[05:16:34]

tracy:

kslater: strange how my zap2it lineup keeps changing and getting unselected

[05:16:41]

kormoc:

recurs|ve, qtmame is the one I've heard the best about

[05:16:57]

kormoc:

Speedy2, tell it in the ./configure to use something else

[05:17:48]

kslater:

tracy: agreed, I'm hoping I don't have that problem

[05:18:13]

kslater:

tracy know anywhere I can get frequency info for an HD station?

[05:18:42]

recurs|ve:

kormoc: thank you, and it looks as if oxine is EXACTLY what i need. im hosting thanksgiving this year and the family would kill with no music :P

[05:18:44]

tracy:

ok i guess it was not on that website then?

[05:19:04]

kormoc:

heh, glad to hear that you found something

[05:19:50]

recurs|ve:

alright, q #2... what is the best card under 500$ for time shifting?

[05:19:51]

kormoc:

Speedy2, my myth that does support xvmc builds with XvMC opengl sup no

[05:20:02]

kormoc:

Speedy2, and it's a GeForce 6200

[05:20:09]

kslater:

no

[05:20:21]

kormoc:

recurs|ve, for analog? pvr 150 if you want one stream at a time, or a pvr 500 for two

[05:20:30]

kslater:

it has some of the info, I was looking for the kind of stuff that azap looks for

[05:20:33]

kormoc:

recurs|ve, you're looking at $60 for the first, and $130 for the second

[05:21:07]

kormoc:

Speedy2, and if you pass --enable-proc-opt to the ./configure you likely will get the right --march set

[05:21:15]

recurs|ve:

wow, prices sure have dropped from 3 years ago, hell i can put more into my tv :)

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kormoc:

heh, yeah, it's quite nice

[05:23:46]

kormoc:

Stick with a nvidia card for the tv out, it's much nicer then the other offerings out there

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recurs|ve:

kormoc: any suggestions on card model for cheap video playback?

[05:25:54]

kormoc:

I use a 6200 personally

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hhhjr:

I have a question maybe someone can help me with, I installed myth .20 on ubuntu edgy with a pvr 500, I had it working. I now am trying to get a nesus installed and I installed the ttpci firmware. the question is do I have go through the ivtv driver installation again after I installed the Nexus-s?

[05:26:04]

kormoc:

they tend to run around $40ish or so

[05:26:18]

kormoc:

hhhjr, likely not.

[05:26:29]

kormoc:

hhhjr, but the best answer is to try and see

[05:27:29]

hhhjr:

ok but in myth setup I select Dtv and choose dvb as the source correct?

[05:27:37]

kormoc:

likely

[05:28:41]

hhhjr:

when I try to do a scan it just flashes the tuning page and exits, How do I know if the card is working?

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recurs|ve:

you have all been very helpful, added to preform. have a good night :)

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hhhjr:

Any one know of a dvb guide for dvb-s and myth in the us?

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tracy:

kslater: very strange, after each mythfilldatabase my zap2it linup ends up being only 3 selected stations

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tracy:

i reselect them all, and then run it, and then they unselected again

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tracy:

anyway enuf for tonight

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kslater:

yea, me too

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kslater:

way past bedtime

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siXy:

what method does mythbackend use to communicate with mythweb?

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m13a8:

as far as i know they both just access the mysql database

[06:43:14]

m13a8:

but i am in no way a pro

[06:43:24]

m13a8:

my mythweb wont even work right now :(

[06:43:59]

Dagmar:

The backend and mythweb do not communicate at all

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siXy:

ok, so mythweb just talks to the mysql database? that should be nice and easy then

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Captain_Murdoch:

mythweb talks to mythbackend and to the DB directly I believe.

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kormoc:

there's a select few things from the backend, aye

[06:46:38]

Captain_Murdoch:

mythweb uses the same protocol that the frontend uses when talking to the backend.

[06:47:49]

siXy:

and presumably the same port? or is that customisable?

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kormoc:

same port

[06:48:07]

kormoc:

it uses the settings as stored in the database

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siXy:

for obvious reasons i do not want to run mythweb on the same box as the mythbackend

[06:48:49]

kormoc:

sadly, it's required for certain plugins (mythweb's mythvideo plugin needs to be local'

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kormoc:

)

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siXy:

bleh.

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kormoc:

apache has a mod_proxy to get around that

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pab:

Can someone tell me where to find the ivtv channel? Or better yet, how to get a list of channels (pathetic noob to irc)?

[06:49:36]

siXy:

is it possible to run it remotely in areduced-functionality mode?

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kormoc:

sure

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kormoc:

it can do everything normally in a remote way

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kormoc:

just a few plugins don't work

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kormoc:

pab, /list will give you a full list... there's a lot of channels

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siXy:

all i want is a remote recording scheduler so the wife can set stuff to record when she is supposed to be working

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anxt:

pab /list *ivtv*

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kormoc:

then yeah, having them on different machines works fine siXy

[06:51:37]

anxt:

maybe be client based command, works in xchat

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siXy:

but as my mythbackend box has a somewhat insecure samba and other things i dont want exposed to the big wide script-kiddie world i want it on a separate machine ;)

[06:52:11]

anxt:

pab i am wrong.

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kormoc:

siXy, you can have it on the backend, and use mod_proxy on your webserver to 'proxy' it to the backend transparently

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siXy:

ah – yeah thankyou that wouldnt be too hard.

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pab:

kormoc: cool, thx! a lot of info

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pab:

anxl: will play with the syntax

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kormoc:

you're welcome

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siXy:

by the way – are any of you running it right now? wondering how resource hungry it is as i will be running it on a xen guest and could use some info on how much hdd and ram it needs

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kormoc:

mythweb or mythbackend?

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siXy:

mythweb

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kormoc:

well, mythweb requires apache, and mod_php

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kormoc:

hard drive space, it will fit within 5 gb easily (for a standard fc5 install)

[06:55:22]

kormoc:

ram, could get by with 64 megs

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kormoc:

32 might work too

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siXy:

ah ok thats fine. i tend to run all guests with 128 as my raid array is painfully slow

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kormoc:

my webserver is running apache, mysql, postgresql, and a few other small services, and it's only using 256 out of 1 gb of ram

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siXy:

its amazing how much ram you save by ditching the gui :)

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kormoc:

Heh, indeed

[07:01:24]

kormoc:

I really need to shuffle that ram around a little

[07:01:36]

kormoc:

I only have 256 in my mythbox, it's a little... starved :P

[07:04:03]

siXy:

i spend some time trying to shuffle a ddr dimm into an sdram slot the other day when i was trying to do that before i realised

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siXy:

good way to make yourself feel stupid :)

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kormoc:

heh, indeed

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siXy:

dont suppose you know off the top of your head which table holds the recording store location?

[07:09:05]

siXy:

myth setup is sloooow over nx

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kormoc:

as in the directory to record into?

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siXy:

yeah

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kormoc:

SELECT * FROM settings WHERE value = 'RecordFilePrefix';

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siXy:

ah thanks. RecordFilePrefix is non-obvious

[07:15:15]

** xris dreads rewriting nuvexport **

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siXy:

xris, whats wrong with it?

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kormoc:

Gonna rewrite it in php? ;P

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xris:

lol

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xris:

siXy: porting it to use the mythtv perl bindings

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xris:

so I don't have to tie the versions specifically to the mythtv release

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kormoc:

I should poke about with writing php bindings

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siXy:

would php bindings work?

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siXy:

if so presumably plugins could be written entirely in php

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siXy:

which for people like me would be fantastic

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Dagmar:

Only if someone was insane

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kormoc:

Sure, it would help out mythweb a little bit

[07:17:29]

kormoc:

less depending on DBVER

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siXy:

if you are writing a small web control app having php bindings would be amazing

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xris:

kormoc: not really

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xris:

mythweb depends specifically on backend features.. it gets upgraded along with the backend.

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xris:

nuvexport often needs backported fixes for stuff like ffmpeg cli changes, independent of the backend.

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kormoc:

why would it be any different then nuvexport?

[07:19:23]

xris:

you don't want to run mythweb 0.21 with mythbackend 0.18

[07:19:36]

xris:

no point since SO much of mythweb is tied to how the backend does stuff.

[07:19:49]

xris:

granted, it'd be nice to abstract out all of that stuff, so I wouldn't stop you from coding it. :)

[07:19:53]

kormoc:

no, but mythweb 0.20-r3214214 with backend 0.20-r2314214 would be nifty

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kormoc:

heh

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xris:

kormoc: actually, that depends on what changes in the rev.

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xris:

but it *would* be nice to get a libmyth.php or whatever to abstract out as much of that as possible

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xris:

recording objects, etc.

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kormoc:

yeah

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kormoc:

would need a bit of a layout overhaul to make it a little nicer too

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xris:

I've been sort of poking at it

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siXy:

well i think it would be nice to have mythweb and mythweb-extras with mythweb just being the remote scheduling ( the killer app for mythweb) and -extras being the video stuff etc

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xris:

problem with mythweb is that there's the backend interface lib, the telnet interface lib, and then the tv stuff that you don't want to load when you're not doing tv stuff

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xris:

siXy: it's becoming more moduar

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xris:

modular

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xris:

it's hard to do a LOT of that stuff and still maintain php4 compat, which I promised I'd do until .21

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kormoc:

0.21 will have a ungodly large number of changes then, if php4 compat can go poof

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siXy:

php4 is important to me atm as most of my severs are still running it. (centos 4.4)

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xris:

kormoc: .22, you mean

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xris:

and yes.

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siXy:

large number of changes = breakage all too often :(

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kormoc:

ooh, you said until, I thought you ment exclusive :P

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kormoc:

siXy, can, or can make it much nicer to work with

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xris:

siXy: "real objects" (as much as php5 objects are real) makes the coder's life much easier.

[07:24:17]

xris:

kormoc: "through" :)

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kormoc:

Bah :P

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xris:

kormoc: keep in mind that a LOT of mythtv users are still running php 3 and mysql 3

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kormoc:

yeah... well... :P

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Dagmar:

They *really* should be able to at least keep up with Slackware

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siXy:

lol dagmar

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xris:

when some people have a working machine, they don't want to do much that might break it

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Dagmar:

So long as they don't connect it to a _network_, fine

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kormoc:

well, if they're gonna update myth, might as well do the other apps to

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siXy:

but yes, i much prefer coding php 5 than 4

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xris:

kormoc: and that's why I'll only hold off so long. heh

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kormoc:

welp, time to sleep, night

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kraut:

moin

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Chicago:

Does this error mean my filesystem is too slow? It's a line from the mythfrontend console output while watching live TV. 2006-11–22 02:44:38.845 TFW, Error: Write() — IOBOUND begin cnt(2048) free(2047)

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dverzolla:

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juski:

just a little reminder folks.. a beta version of the new blootube-wide theme is available to try: http://www.mythtvtalk.com/ProjectGrayhem/tarb . . . a1.0.tar.bz2

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anxt:

both my mythv and my irc are displaying double

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anxt:

actually everything is doing double

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anxt:

i think i found a patch

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anxt:

it is fading, think it wasn't my display but my occular sensor array

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ccooke:

Any idea why a new install of mythtv (from ubuntu's Edgy packages or fresh from svn) would fail to process any instruction to record something?

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ccooke:

Since I moved to Edgy and reinstalled, everything *appear* to work, but when I try to schedule a recording, nothing happens after I save the settings

[10:27:54]

Merlin83b:

Can you watch livetv, ccooke?

[10:28:04]

ccooke:

yeah

[10:28:50]

Merlin83b:

Are the clock and timezone set correctly?

[10:29:14]

ccooke:

yep

[10:29:33]

Merlin83b:

Basic checking for silliness over, I will now pass you on to level 2 tech support.

[10:29:40]

ccooke:

*laugh*

[10:29:45]

Merlin83b:

:)

[10:29:56]

Merlin83b:

Do you see anything in the logs? Does it try to start the recording?

[10:30:46]

ccooke:

I checked before, but that was two recompiles ago – checking now

[10:39:21]

ccooke:

hmm

[10:39:32]

ccooke:

2006-11–22 10:38:38.580 Channel::GetCurrentChannelNum(): Failed to find Channel ''

[10:39:36]

ccooke:

2006-11–22 10:38:38.581 Channel(/dev/video0)::TuneTo(): Error, failed to find channel.

[10:39:39]

ccooke:

2006-11–22 10:38:38.581 TVRec(1) Error: Failed to set channel to BBC ONE Ea.

[10:39:51]

ccooke:

I don't think that was there before...

[10:47:30]

ccooke:

hmm. I think I see what's up

[10:48:15]

ccooke:

poking around in mythtv-setup, it now tells me that the UK channel grabber doesn't provide channel numbers and I'll need to run 'mythfilldatabase --manual'

[10:48:32]

ccooke:

which did *not* appear when I first built this DB/install

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juski:

level 2 tech support here. have you tried rebooting?

[10:50:12]

ccooke:

*laugh*

[10:50:26]

ccooke:

oddly enough, yes :-)

[10:50:56]

juski:

mythfilldatabase _dos_ insert channel numbers on the first run

[10:51:03]

juski:

with xmltv uk_rt anyway

[10:51:07]

juski:

s/dos/does

[10:51:49]

juski:

or just edit the channels in the (cough) channel editor

[10:54:08]

ccooke:

naturally

[10:54:44]

ccooke:

I haven't done that yet since I need to rebuild my channel changer

[10:56:43]

Merlin83b:

Heh

[10:58:47]

quicksilver:

ccooke: the UK mythfilldatabase channel numbers didn't used to work (as of 0.18) but it does now

[10:58:51]

quicksilver:

ccooke: that could be what is confusing

[10:59:03]

quicksilver:

can't remember if it started working in 0.19 or 0.20

[10:59:07]

ccooke:

hmm

[10:59:18]

Speedy2:

hrm. When compiling mythtv (SVN), in libavformat, I get errors like "gconv.h:72: error: syntax error before "size_t":

[10:59:20]

ccooke:

before this, I was using post-0.19 from svn

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[11:05:01]

ccooke:

thing is, that post-0.19 install had a database that was first installed with about 0.16...

[11:05:05]

ccooke:

possibly 0.15

[11:05:15]

ccooke:

and a cobbled-together channel changer

[11:05:38]

ccooke:

this time, I've replaced a lot of the hardware and decided to build the DB from scratch

[11:06:34]

juski:

oh for $ky. I see :)

[11:07:17]

ccooke:

NTL, actually

[11:07:34]

ccooke:

with a less than great IR sender

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[11:07:50]

ccooke:

I never got a working config file for the NTL remote for lirc, so I had to make one...

[11:08:09]

ccooke:

which *worked*... but couldn't do things like send the same number twice

[11:08:15]

juski:

ack. not the Pace STB I hope

[11:08:33]

juski:

actually I have something that might help you

[11:08:51]

ccooke:

so I ended up with a channel changer that did things like "for channel 111, go to 109, ch+, ch+"

[11:09:16]

ccooke:

now, I have the mceusb2 sender – just need to get it working, but hopefully it'll be usable

[11:09:33]

ccooke:

juski: Originally, yes. Now it's one of the Samsung ones

[11:10:37]

Speedy2:

Something is odd in mythtv's libavformat ; I just compiled ffmpeg with libavformat enabled with no issue. But my compile fails on libavformat in myth SVN

[11:12:44]

juski:

ccooke: ah so it's RC5 now in that case :)

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juski:

ccooke: I can give you the codes for the box if you haven't got them. learned em from my own remote ;)

[11:13:44]

ccooke:

juski: that would be useful...

[11:13:49]

ccooke:

what are you using to send them?

[11:14:22]

juski:

I'm not sending them. won't go into details here

[11:15:28]

ccooke:

I mean, hardware wise – how do you change channel?

[11:15:59]

juski:

I don't use hardware to change channels

[11:16:26]

ccooke:

oh?

[11:16:27]

juski:

and to avoid digging myself into a hole I won't say anymore

[11:16:30]

ccooke:

okay

[11:17:17]

ccooke:

sorry, I misunderstood.

[11:18:01]

juski:

I learned the rc5 samsung remote so I could program my universal remote with it. converted lirc codes to something my OFA-6 could use :)

[11:25:16]

juski:

anyway I was gonna suggest – if you still had the Pace box – that I have an RC5 to pace protocol converter I bought from redremote.co.uk – you could have it for not much cash is all ;)

[11:25:54]

juski:

since I don't have any more case badgerers left to sell on the fleabay

[11:27:07]

ccooke:

heh

[11:29:10]

juski:

it's in a cupboard doing nowt at the moment. £30 it cost me & I'm never gonna use it gain

[11:30:52]

ccooke:

no pace box, though

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Speedy2:

Is -lGLU provided by GLUT or Mesa?

[11:41:28]

Paladine:

http://pastebin.ca/254859

[11:42:52]

** juski laughs at the lame joke **

[11:47:03]

Speedy2:

lGLU comes from Mesa

[11:48:14]

janneg:

I should stop reading -users. I'm becoming less interested to implement multiplex or overlap recording with every mail

[11:54:59]

juski:

no, no continue to get less interested :)

[11:55:15]

juski:

that'll show em ;)

[11:55:49]

juski:

I'm not being funny either. it's not right for users to make demands like that IMHO

[11:59:52]

juski:

heh. I asked to be _emailed_ of problems with the beta theme I linked to so I'll ignore the 'fault' report on the ml

[12:03:20]

janneg:

lol. I'll stop but I promise not to share the patch ;)

[12:04:02]

janneg:

anyway, I have not enough time to start atm

[12:04:13]

** Merlin83b sends janneg some time **

[12:06:26]

janneg:

I found the email inviting danielk to participate in the pledge quite funny

[12:08:52]

imperfect-:

Morning

[12:11:00]

juski:

I dunno. you specify exactly how people should report problems & they go round & do it on the ml anyway. dammit

[12:11:41]

imperfect-:

Damnit

[12:11:47]

imperfect-:

I just realized why I'm probably having problems.

[12:11:50]

** imperfect- kicks self **

[12:12:01]

imperfect-:

I'm running trunk, i bet it's broke as hell

[12:12:01]

juski:

it was as much as I could say without telling anyone I choose not to receive users list posts although I'm still subscribed :-P

[12:12:19]

juski:

hell isn't broke. heaven is broke

[12:12:23]

imperfect-:

;)

[12:12:30]

imperfect-:

True nuff'./

[12:12:41]

imperfect-:

I'm off for 4 days.

[12:12:45]

imperfect-:

I will make Myth Submit in that time.

[12:12:53]

imperfect-:

Right now it's a bit on the broke side

[12:13:01]

janneg:

imperfect-: trunk works fine here

[12:13:21]

imperfect-:

janneg: I'm getting some weird OPenGL menu issues i.e. I can't use them ;)

[12:13:30]

juski:

I had to install ubuntu to fix a playback problem. damned if I know what was wrong with minimyth

[12:13:35]

imperfect-:

they display but if I change menu items everything but the icon disappears

[12:13:44]

imperfect-:

Yeah

[12:13:54]

juski:

imperfect-: is the theme missing its base.xml file ?

[12:13:54]

imperfect-:

I'd love to find out why i can't stream high def content over a 100mbps network

[12:14:07]

imperfect-:

juski: well, if I go back to non-opengl, it works fine

[12:14:17]

imperfect-:

juski: is base.xml required for opengl?

[12:14:33]

imperfect-:

(i know jack about the themeing system — an asthetically challenged)

[12:15:22]

juski:

imperfect-: yeah – did you not install myththemes from svn too ?

[12:15:35]

janneg:

imperfect-: what theme do you use?

[12:15:37]

juski:

or are you using an unofficial theme?

[12:15:46]

imperfect-:

I'm not using anything I didn't get from svn.

[12:16:00]

imperfect-:

I've got a build script and svn updates and builds/installs everything

[12:16:16]

juski:

check that the theme you're using has a base.xml file

[12:16:18]

imperfect-:

janneg: I'm not at my home box, but it's the one that looks similar to windows mce

[12:16:22]

imperfect-:

aight

[12:16:23]

imperfect-:

hold on

[12:16:27]

imperfect-:

I'm gonna ssh through

[12:16:30]

juski:

ugh. mythcenter (sic)

[12:17:02]

Merlin83b:

I like mythcenter, but I may try your new one out.

[12:17:10]

juski:

mythtv != MCE. rejoice in that fact, don't frickin mimick it ;)

[12:17:22]

Merlin83b:

I do, but it's a clean interface :)

[12:17:30]

imperfect-:

He's right.

[12:17:33]

imperfect-:

It is very nice looking.

[12:17:34]

juski:

yeah I can see that

[12:17:50]

juski:

wouldn't go that far but these are only opinions, not facts

[12:17:54]

juski:

;)

[12:18:11]

imperfect-:

And actually, I believe i'm using blue

[12:18:15]

juski:

I hate projectgrayhem now

[12:18:36]

juski:

in a 'its a bloody millstone around my neck' kind of way

[12:18:43]

imperfect-:

seeing as I don't seem to have a mythcenter dir

[12:18:47]

imperfect-:

and no, there's no base.xml

[12:18:50]

** imperfect- ponders **

[12:19:02]

imperfect-:

Am I learning that not all themes are OpenGL compatible?

[12:19:10]

juski:

imperfect-: maybe blue didn't get the love then

[12:19:20]

janneg:

mythcenter is working here fine. I use because it is one of the less memory demanding themes and looks ok

[12:19:35]

imperfect-:

janneg: I don't believe that I have that one.

[12:19:49]

imperfect-:

janneg: Am I correct to assume that /usr/local/share/mythtv/themes/ has my list?

[12:20:05]

juski:

look at another theme's base.xml & its theme.xml file. you should be able to work out what'd need to go into blue's base.xml file ;)

[12:20:21]

juski:

imperfect-: depends on yer prefix

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[12:20:50]

juski:

/usr/share or /usr/local/share

[12:21:16]

janneg:

yes, mythcenter has indeed no base.xml

[12:21:59]

juski:

ouch

[12:22:08]

juski:

and they said MY theme was broken. pfft

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juski:

oh btw if you're looking for low memory use in mythfrontend FFS don't use blootube-wide ;)

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** Merlin83b reconsiders blootube-wide **

[12:23:46]

imperfect-:

That's re

[12:24:35]

juski:

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/justin.hornsby2/new5.png &n dash; where do you think the geet big f.o. watermarks come from? :P

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[12:28:00]

imperfect-:

How odd is tha t;)

[12:28:12]

juski:

how odd is what?

[12:28:22]

imperfect-:

At anyrate. I just rebuilt the myththemes diectory and themes just appeared

[12:28:38]

juski:

using a lot of screen space? heh

[12:28:48]

imperfect-:

I have mythcenter now, hwoever there's still not base.xml in blue's dir

[12:28:58]

imperfect-:

but I've got other options, I was hoping reinstalling would make it appear ;)

[12:29:22]

imperfect-:

Am I the only person on the planet who thinks mythphone is retarded?

[12:30:05]

juski:

I don't yet believe in VOIP so I don't have any opinion on mythphone

[12:30:21]

imperfect-:

Oh

[12:30:23]

imperfect-:

Well I use it daily

[12:30:32]

imperfect-:

I believe in it. I just question it's useful on my pvr.

[12:30:33]

imperfect-:

;)

[12:30:36]

imperfect-:

usefulness

[12:32:20]

imperfect-:

well

[12:32:36]

imperfect-:

This is lame. I can't get to this box I'm talking to you from work without going home first. That's quite annoying.

[12:33:01]

juski:

I for one don't want to have my tv watching spoiled by phone call interruptions

[12:33:46]

imperfect-:

I work for a school district and the district has this stupid internet filter, so I've got to proxy all my web traffic through this box via SSH just to surf the web unincumbered. However! I am lacking said unincumberedness atm and it makes me sad.

[12:34:46]

juski:

somebody at home has fired up something they shouldn't have, and it's hogging all my upload pipe. grrr

[12:35:08]

imperfect-:

Is that somebody married to you?

[12:35:13]

imperfect-:

Or your progeny?

[12:35:20]

juski:

yes

[12:35:26]

imperfect-:

Too bad

[12:35:37]

imperfect-:

They can't be killed forthwith!

[12:35:47]

juski:

thank God for lynx. I can log into my router & disable internest access on that machine :-P

[12:36:30]

imperfect-:

Aye

[12:36:33]

imperfect-:

I use iptables

[12:36:43]

imperfect-:

It's much better when packets just drop unexplained like

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juski:

my mythbackend does quit enough already I think

[12:40:01]

imperfect-:

I use monit

[12:40:05]

imperfect-:

It works well

[12:41:15]

juski:

I just pwn the machine

[12:41:17]

juski:

vnc in, kill th e app & run away

[12:41:17]

juski:

vnc in, kill th e app & run

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psofa:

hey juski can vlc play your dvb recordings fine?

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janneg:

juski: tooblue-wide scaled to 1600x1200 uses 416M memory

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janneg:

but it looks marvellous

[13:01:33]

quicksilver:

janneg: openGL renderer switched on?

[13:05:10]

janneg:

quicksilver: no, qt, but I switched

[13:06:39]

quicksilver:

interesting

[13:06:54]

quicksilver:

if it had been GL I'd have said 'don't worry too much, a big chunk of that is the video memory holding the textures'

[13:06:57]

quicksilver:

and not real memory

[13:07:17]

quicksilver:

maybe Qt puts big pixmaps in video memory too, though

[13:07:32]

quicksilver:

I'm rather uninformed about the deatils

[13:07:44]

janneg:

with opengl it is unuseable atm

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Juski:

just had to reboot my dumb-buntu box :(

[13:21:07]

fryfrog:

:(

[13:24:11]

Juski:

can't ever remember having to reboot my gentoo box from afar to get network stuff to unclog

[13:25:08]

Juski:

janneg: you say blootube is unusable with opengl ?

[13:26:41]

janneg:

I don't know, it was maybe disabled swap and switching from qt to opengl.

[13:27:43]

Juski:

468M is a lot of memory

[13:28:01]

pat_:

Juski: can we quote you on that in 20 years time?

[13:28:07]

Juski:

lol no

[13:28:21]

pat_:

512M should be enough for anyone :)

[13:28:41]

** pat_ sleeps **

[13:29:00]

Juski:

512M.. til mista vista.

[13:29:11]

Juski:

and that's 512MB video ram

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psofa:

hey Juski can vlc play your dvb recordings fine?

[13:29:50]

Juski:

yeah

[13:29:54]

Juski:

mostly

[13:29:54]

psofa:

hmm

[13:30:15]

psofa:

my recordings stutter on vlc also

[13:30:22]

psofa:

in fact they are even worse

[13:30:56]

psofa:

i suspect the fe is fine and that the problem is on the recordings

[13:31:03]

psofa:

but hows that possible

[13:31:16]

Juski:

easy

[13:31:18]

psofa:

i mean recording is pretty straightforward, right?

[13:31:22]

Juski:

nope

[13:31:40]

Juski:

try doing some recordings with tzap/szap & cat

[13:31:53]

Juski:

if they work, then there are probs in mythtv

[13:32:05]

psofa:

hmm okay

[13:34:03]

** Juski decides it's time to crash firefox again **

[13:34:18]

fryfrog:

has anyone compiled from latest svn head?

[13:35:36]

fryfrog:

trying to compile "mythplugins" i get "main.cpp:30:34: error: mythtv/mythpluginapi.h: No such file or directory"

[13:35:51]

fryfrog:

which *doesn't* exist in the mythplugins dir, cause its in the mythtv dir

[13:36:04]

Merlin83b:

fryfrog: Did you make install mythtv yet?

[13:36:06]

janneg:

Juski: it works fine with opengl. the switch probably needed too much memory

[13:36:50]

fryfrog:

no, do i need to to compile plugins?

[13:37:51]

fryfrog:

i'll try that :)

[13:42:45]

Juski:

janneg: cheers

[13:42:58]

Merlin83b:

fryfrog: You do, yes :)

[13:43:13]

Merlin83b:

(made that mistake a few times until stuarta threatened me enough)

[13:43:34]

Juski:

Merlin83b: how much ram do you have in your ickle epia box?

[13:43:39]

Merlin83b:

512MB

[13:43:45]

Merlin83b:

256MB didn't cut it.

[13:43:55]

Juski:

hah

[13:44:42]

Juski:

I've got 512mb in my frontend & I think it's enough even with the new behemothic theme

[13:45:03]

Merlin83b:

I'll stick to Mythcenter then :)

[13:46:10]

janneg:

it depends on the screen resolution. it wouldn't be enough for 1080

[13:46:21]

Juski:

the epia wouldn't do 1080 ;)

[13:46:32]

ivor:

Juski: 512 here.

[13:48:06]

Juski:

I'm surprised it doesn't seem to slow down compared to other themes. it's still nippy as owt :)

[13:50:43]

hydroksyde:

I have 256 in mine

[13:50:49]

hydroksyde:

runs finr

[13:50:52]

hydroksyde:

fine

[13:50:57]

hydroksyde:

frontend and backend

[13:51:09]

Merlin83b:

It may have been BFSQ that was breaking stuff, but it did run out of RAM quite often.

[13:51:38]

hydroksyde:

I have like 10GB of swap though

[13:53:03]

hydroksyde:

time for bed now

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[13:58:06]

Dagmar:

Jesus.

[13:58:24]

Dagmar:

If it uses even 1Gb of swap it should be time to shoot the thing to put it out of it's misery

[13:58:45]

Saviq:

Juski: can you point me to some screenshots of the theme?

[13:59:13]

Saviq:

(I like the name ;]

[14:01:48]

Merlin83b:

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/justin.hornsby2//pg/comingsoon.htm

[14:02:04]

Saviq:

thanks

[14:03:30]

Dagmar:

Damn BBC has some really sarcastic program listings

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psofa:

could this affect performance?Mem: 515640k total, 509648k used, 5992k free, 26308k buffers

[14:06:01]

psofa:

thats with the fe running

[14:06:04]

qu0zl:

psofa, show us the part that says 'cached'

[14:06:27]

psofa:

Swap: 506036k total, 116k used, 505920k free, 246304k cached

[14:06:31]

qu0zl:

linux will use almost all available memory whenever it can to cache the file system

[14:06:54]

qu0zl:

see, tehre you have 246304k memory free basically. it's just being used to cache the filesystem instead of doing nothing

[14:07:08]

qu0zl:

so that's not a problem

[14:07:16]

psofa:

nice :)

[14:07:38]

psofa:

i think i must file a ticket

[14:07:40]

psofa:

:(

[14:07:51]

psofa:

anyone knows how do i cut an mpg file?

[14:08:07]

psofa:

i want to attach it to the ticket

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jduggan:

Juski: havent had much chance to play with it, looks pretty sleek though

[14:17:31]

jduggan:

Juski: certainly good eye candy

[14:18:30]

seth|laptop:

good eyecandy??

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jduggan:

seth|laptop: was my sentence gramatically incorrect?

[14:19:43]

seth|laptop:

jduggan: I was just wondering, I just logged in, can't scroll up :-)

[14:19:53]

jduggan:

aah

[14:20:18]

jduggan:

was talkin about juski's 'bloo-tube' theme

[14:20:22]

** seth|laptop like eycandy **

[14:20:27]

seth|laptop:

is it done?

[14:20:41]

** seth|laptop hates not being at work for a day, misses so much **

[14:21:19]

jduggan:

heh

[14:21:20]

jduggan:

yes

[14:21:41]

jduggan:

although, not neccesarily the themes fault but i just loaded it and its forked bombed my machine

[14:21:47]

jduggan:

heh ;0

[14:22:02]

jduggan:

well by fork bomb i mean raped the cpu

[14:22:07]

jduggan:

its dead

[14:22:11]

seth|laptop:

ack

[14:22:19]

seth|laptop:

is there a link to the new one

[14:22:30]

jduggan:

i can grab it

[14:22:36]

jduggan:

soon as i reboot the frontend ;)

[14:22:46]

jduggan:

or if juski comes around quicker he can point ya to it

[14:23:32]

Merlin83b:

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/justin.hornsby2//pg/comingsoon.htm

[14:23:43]

Merlin83b:

But there's actually a download somewhere.

[14:24:01]

Merlin83b:

http://www.mythtvtalk.com/ProjectGrayhem/tarb . . . a1.0.tar.bz2

[14:24:48]

seth|laptop:

thanks

[14:25:50]

jduggan:

ok

[14:25:55]

jduggan:

my myth box wasnt up so quick :)

[14:27:13]

seth|laptop:

I relocated my slave into another box yesterday, needed to free up the old slave for a beta gaming machine, it didn't want to come up right away either

[14:28:05]

Juski:

lemme upload the new comingsoon.htm

[14:28:17]

jduggan:

hmmm

[14:28:23]

jduggan:

it loads the new theme fine

[14:28:29]

jduggan:

but takes a while

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jduggan:

maybe its coz the box isnt so high spec

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seth|laptop:

Juski: got the second set of badges, tahnks again.

[14:31:48]

seth|laptop:

thanks even

[14:33:15]

Juski:

none left now :)

[14:33:40]

seth|laptop:

well that is good news

[14:33:42]

seth|laptop:

:-)

[14:33:57]

Juski:

there ya go. new comingsoon.htm uploaded

[14:34:21]

seth|laptop:

my wife saved the envelopes, she never saw mail from another country, she put them in a scrapbook, poor thing has never been out of the state.

[14:34:27]

Saviq:

and now the web server goes down because of the overload ;]

[14:34:51]

Juski:

that's NTLs server not mine, so I don't care

[14:34:53]

kslater:

tracy: ping

[14:35:08]

Juski:

just don't flashbot it :-P

[14:35:41]

Saviq:

looks cool, 'though the VCRs don't look good IMO

[14:35:51]

Saviq:

It's too photo-shoppy ;]

[14:35:54]

Juski:

they're already gone

[14:36:08]

Juski:

and if you think you could do as good, you do one

[14:36:16]

Juski:

grrr!

[14:36:17]

Saviq:

I knew it...

[14:36:28]

Saviq:

it was just a opinion...

[14:36:30]

Saviq:

sorry

[14:36:53]

Juski:

anyway as I said.. they're gone, as is the minger on the 'rec priorities' watermark :)

[14:37:25]

Juski:

the MIWNLTF

[14:37:55]

Juski:

and it's beta, so nowt is set in granite

[14:38:28]

fryfrog:

DAMN YOU HD PLAYBACK, WHY DO YOU VEX ME!

[14:39:09]

kslater:

fryfrog: what is your hd fe hardware wise?

[14:39:26]

qu0zl:

"Trinny and Susannah Undress"? Oh dear Juski, it's a slippery slope!

[14:39:30]

kslater:

I'm curious b/c I'm trying to do it on low hardware

[14:39:41]

** qu0zl is checking out the screenshots of Juski's new theme **

[14:39:45]

Juski:

qu0zl: foad. it's not just my recordings

[14:39:48]

Juski:

;)

[14:39:48]

qu0zl:

:))

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otwin:

Juski: will that 'plastic surgery gone wrong' woman make in the final release ;-)

[14:40:05]

Juski:

otwin: she's already gone

[14:40:15]

Juski:

the MIWNLTF

[14:40:27]

Juski:

replaced by a pastoral scene

[14:40:44]

qu0zl:

good call

[14:40:55]

Juski:

if these are the most negative things I'm gonna hear about it I'm happy

[14:40:55]

otwin:

well done

[14:41:28]

kslater:

it looks pretty good to me. I'll be thinking about it when I finally get my EPIA talking DVI to my HD tv

[14:41:58]

Juski:

looks smashing on my epia's svideo out. eye-popping when I first tried it compared to pg-wide

[14:42:32]

kslater:

Juski, you display that in 800 x 600 or less?

[14:42:47]

Juski:

I'm NOT gonna do a 4:3 version

[14:43:14]

kslater:

what resolution do you run out of your EPIA's svideo? isn't it pretty limited?

[14:43:22]

Juski:

but it works on my FE at 720x576 with displaysize adjusted for 16:9 aspect

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** seth|laptop wants a copy of Juski's xorg.conf file, can't get the DisplaySize thing working right **

[14:44:41]

Dagmar:

Sad

[14:44:52]

Dagmar:

It's easy

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seth|laptop:

everytime I try it, the themes come out with text that too small or too big

[14:45:23]

** otwin needs to go 16:9 soon then **

[14:45:27]

seth|laptop:

its quite disheartening

[14:45:31]

Dagmar:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Display_Size

[14:45:38]

Dagmar:

Those numbers don't work?

[14:46:06]

Dagmar:

I expanded the entry on DisplaySize "a little"

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seth|laptop:

never tried them

[14:46:25]

seth|laptop:

will now

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Dagmar:

Okay

[14:46:43]

Dagmar:

Literally that's all you have to do for any chipset or driver

[14:46:54]

seth|laptop:

well that is good news

[14:47:06]

Dagmar:

X shouldn't even begin to question it when you simply define the monitor as being x and y size

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Juski:

I use displaysize 400 225

[14:47:28]

Dagmar:

Seems less hassle than trying to specify DPI directly, to be sure

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Dagmar:

What res are you running at?

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Juski:

720x576

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Dagmar:

Oh rite... You're aiming at PAL

[14:49:35]

Dagmar:

I forgot about that

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Juski:

yeh

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Juski:

looks squished on a 4:3 telly but fine on my wide set

[14:50:03]

Merlin83b:

So would the theme behave on 512MB combined fe/be do you think, Juski?

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Juski:

Merlin83b: at 720x576 more than likely

[14:51:31]

Merlin83b:

I will try it at some point, possibly the weekend.

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Juski:

more people who try it & report no problems the more likely its eventual release will be :)

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Dagmar:

Wait a minute

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Dagmar:

Dude, I think you may be setting those wrong

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Juski:

wrong? looks fine & it works

[14:52:54]

bgat:

does anyone know if mythtv works on a Gateway Media Center PC with model number dt009?

[14:53:01]

Dagmar:

Yeah, but I don't think it comes out to 100DPI.

[14:53:09]

Juski:

Dagmar: it won't

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seth|laptop:

so, if is wanted to make my set which is 4:3 800x600 run at 16:9, would I make my measurement for DisplaySize during a widescreen program just the size of the image that is displayed (i.e less the black bars)?

[14:53:30]

Dagmar:

Okay, and you sound like you have a reason for avoiding 100 DPI

[14:54:12]

bgat:

oh, it's also called the "Gateway 610 Media Center PC"

[14:54:16]

Dagmar:

seth|laptop: You can't really make it run at 16:9, it doesn't quite work like that, but it *will* just shrink the video down properly giving you that letterboxed thing if you don't pester it

[14:54:52]

kslater:

anyone know of an avsforum type of irc channel?

[14:54:54]

Dagmar:

seth|laptop: The displaysize setting is to make the display come out to 100DPI exactly in X's eyes, which makes the text of themes come out the exact right size

[14:55:08]

Juski:

to get 16:9 video at 720x576 with that displaysize I have to force the aspect to '4:3' lol

[14:55:24]

Dagmar:

*That*'s messed up

[14:55:34]

Juski:

it's hackish but hey it works & looks great

[14:55:40]

Merlin83b:

What's your DisplaySize set to, Juski?

[14:55:45]

Juski:

400 225

[14:55:51]

Merlin83b:

Ah, same here.

[14:55:57]

Dagmar:

We've a couple of notebooks at the office I've had to fix X for people on. It doesn't seem to mind doing widescreen stuff to me

[14:55:59]

Merlin83b:

(16:9 screen, 720x576)

[14:56:30]

Juski:

openchrome doesn't do any wide modes AFAIK

[14:56:35]

Dagmar:

OUCH

[14:56:39]

Juski:

hence the workaround ;)

[14:56:46]

Dagmar:

Wow that's lame

[14:56:51]

Juski:

nah

[14:57:12]

Juski:

lame is still having to use a commandline tool to set your mixer levels in linux in this day & age

[14:57:15]

Dagmar:

They designed it with built-in short-term obsolescence

[14:57:31]

Dagmar:

well, I've got a script that will fix that. :)

[14:57:42]

Juski:

also. lame is not an mp3 encoder

[14:58:03]

Merlin83b:

No, that's LINAME ;)

[14:58:04]

Dagmar:

I probably should have sent it to Patrick for Slackware 11. It just reads the ALSA stuff and sets everything that looks important to 77%

[14:58:59]

Dagmar:

...makes for handy not having to set the defaults on new installs

[15:02:31]

Juski:

at that DisplaySize I think only the video browse screen looks foobar on my FE. I can live with that

[15:02:55]

Merlin83b:

See now I've downloaded and unzipped blootube-wide. I'll clearly have to try it when I get home.

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fryfrog:

kslater: sorry for delayed response :)

[15:04:24]

fryfrog:

kslater: one front end is an amd64 3000+ w/ 1G ram, the other is *dual* xeon 2.4ghz w/ 1G ram.

[15:04:30]

Dagmar:

Grrr. UPS needs to make with the delivering

[15:04:41]

fryfrog:

kslater: *both* have done flawless playback of HD in the past :/

[15:04:47]

Dagmar:

Very annoying that the last piece to arrive for a rebuild is the *case*

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Dagmar:

Perhaps they could get packages moved quicker if they didn't ship from southern California to Tennessee by way of freaking Ontario

[15:08:11]

Dagmar:

Looking at this is giving me flashbacks of when I ordered the coffin for my turntables and it went on a little North American tour

[15:09:04]

Dagmar:

The coffin went from CA to Ohio, then to Ontario, and then to ALASKA before heading back towards Tennessee

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fryfrog:

in current SVN, anyone know what the "watch list" is?

[15:11:19]

jams:

it's the list of recordings that have been marked as watched

[15:12:06]

Dagmar:

So it's finally going to start dumping watched programs first as an option then?

[15:12:31]

Dagmar:

I've been telling mine to just not expire, and then flagging them to be able to be expired after i've watched em

[15:12:33]

jams:

don't know about that.

[15:13:02]

Dagmar:

Well, I can't think of any other non-Orwellian reason for tracking thta

[15:13:22]

jams:

I just thought it was a way to tell your other half that "this program has been watched, you may delete it"

[15:15:44]

jams:

Added new 'watched' flag for recordings which can be set manually or automatically and optinally increase auto expiration priority for watched shows.

[15:15:59]

Dagmar:

Sweet

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kslater:

fryfrog: no problem on the response timing. I'm just curious b/c I'm now able to record hd. Playback is still a challenge

[15:17:04]

kslater:

what's the best way to move recordings btw mythboxes? think large hd recordings

[15:17:22]

janneg:

jams: it's the opposite, the list of not watched recordings

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jams:

janneg- I stand corrected

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Dagmar:

kslater: Probably scp with the option for using null encryption

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fryfrog:

kslater: to *move*? I run an nfs server on my main server, mount the dir on my slave be / remote fe

[15:20:05]

jams:

the few times I looked at it, all the recordings were old stuff that I had already watched. Might be recordings that predate the implemention of the watch list

[15:20:32]

kslater:

maybe move is the wrong word. copy would be fine

[15:20:52]

jduggan:

so guys, wot do u guys think about oxygen free/goldplated cables etc, do they *really* make much difference in picture quality?

[15:21:04]

Dagmar:

jduggan: At first, not in the least.

[15:21:15]

Dagmar:

jduggan: After a year or so, however, it begins to pay off a bit

[15:21:24]

fryfrog:

jduggan: ahahahha

[15:21:36]

jduggan:

Dagmar: u mean regular cable reduces quality over time?

[15:21:39]

jduggan:

fryfrog: what's so funny

[15:21:43]

Dagmar:

If you smoke in the house, maybe 2/3 that

[15:21:47]

fryfrog:

jduggan: wait, that wasn't a joke?

[15:21:51]

Dagmar:

jduggan: Oxidization

[15:22:04]

Dagmar:

It's not a huge amount, but it's there

[15:22:07]

fryfrog:

first, the cables are enclosed in a sheath

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Juski:

jduggan: they don't make much diff. except to your wallet IMHO

[15:22:22]

fryfrog:

second, oxidation only occurs on the top few *microns* of wire

[15:22:51]

Dagmar:

Some people are just that picky

[15:22:56]

ccooke:

hmm. Still no ability to record anything

[15:22:58]

fryfrog:

and if you are talking about a digital signal... well, you could use a conductive squirrel penis

[15:23:14]

jduggan:

lol

[15:23:16]

Merlin83b:

Rarer than the common insulating squirrel penis.

[15:23:17]

Dagmar:

Yeah, digitial isn't going to be affected as much. The signal either gets there or doesn't

[15:23:23]

ccooke:

and there's absolutely nothing in the logs

[15:23:42]

Dagmar:

It definitely does not--as a nice little girl in Best Buy tried to tell me about USB cables--make the electricity go faster.

[15:23:50]

jduggan:

lmfao

[15:23:56]

fryfrog:

bwhahahha

[15:24:12]

fryfrog:

was she cute enough to sell you a power conditioner? :)

[15:24:17]

Dagmar:

I demanded she tell me who told her that, she pointed out one of the other staff, and I kinda chewed his ass out over it.

[15:24:35]

Dagmar:

I don't need a special power conditioner. I have UPSes on everything

[15:24:48]

fryfrog:

well, special power cables then?

[15:24:50]

Dagmar:

...and having gotten all my other stuff out of the storage place this week, I've now got five more UPSes

[15:24:59]

Juski:

been a while since I caused a nuisance in Currys or PC World.. I think that's a must near xmas

[15:25:39]

jduggan:

i noticed huge quality improvement by using a native cable than using an adaptor, but its a very old cable that i found maybe 12years old, was wondering if it was worth gettin a newer/more expensive cable

[15:26:02]

Dagmar:

Man I had one of their people try to tell me that an eMachine had a proprietary ATX power supply, with "three wires instead of four" when my dad was with me

[15:26:32]

Dagmar:

It was funny. I felt a hand on my shoulder, and it was my dad having seen my face change.

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Dagmar:

I gave the guy a chance to correct his err and he was definitely just bullshitting to upsell me

[15:27:58]

Dagmar:

My father is a firm believer in being nice to stupid people unfortunately.

[15:28:39]

Dagmar:

The folks at CompUSA *all* know who I am by now

[15:29:04]

Dagmar:

In part because I tried to get one guy's A+ certification pulled

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Dagmar:

Never, ever let your shop get infected with zombie worms

[15:32:38]

ccooke:

ouch

[15:32:55]

ccooke:

Any idea why mythtv will not actually set things to record?

[15:33:24]

Dagmar:

How can it refuse?

[15:33:53]

ccooke:

the menus all *appear* to work, I can go through them to appear to schedule recordings... but nothing appears in upcoming recordings, nothing in the guide is marked as *going* to be recorded...

[15:33:57]

Dagmar:

Did you perhaps tell it to disable the tuners?

[15:34:04]

ccooke:

Live TV works

[15:34:26]

Dagmar:

I'd say turn up verbosity on the backend logging

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ccooke:

if I'm watching live TV and press r, it says it's started recording... and it may actually do so

[15:35:00]

Dagmar:

There's at least one flag that can be used to mark a tuner as not suitable for recording from, for use if you like, have your cable go out

[15:35:32]

ccooke:

got maximum verbosity on the backend – nothing in there

[15:35:34]

ccooke:

Hmm

[15:35:38]

ccooke:

*checks*

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ccooke:

where is that flag set?

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Dagmar:

No idea

[15:35:58]

Dagmar:

It's "somewhere" in the frontend setup I think

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ccooke:

nope

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ccooke:

I've just checked every last thing in the fronetned

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ccooke:

frontend

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imperfect-:

wel

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imperfect-:

I'd guess it's somewhere in mythtv-setup

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imperfect-:

where the encoders are defined

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ccooke:

checking mythtv-setup now...

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imperfect-:

I mean, if I had to guess

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ccooke:

nope... there's absolutely nothing

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Dagmar:

Well, I can't go find it *for* you. My Myth box is in little pieces right now

[15:53:39]

ccooke:

odd

[15:53:46]

ccooke:

it's writing to the record table

[15:54:11]

ccooke:

the record table appears to have the details of everything I wanted it to record

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Juski:

thats er.. cos the record table should contain details of everything you want to record

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sigger:

anyone happen to know where mythmusic keeps playlist contents? i.e. which mysql table, assuming its in one.

[15:55:26]

ccooke:

Juski: I am taking nothing for granted here

[15:56:03]

Juski:

sigger: something like mythmusicplaylist

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sigger:

k, thanks.

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ccooke:

Juski: according to the frontend, nothing *is* scheduled to record.

[15:56:54]

ccooke:

and the backend doesn't record anything

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Juski:

sigger: music_playlists, musicplaylist

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ccooke:

unless I hit "record" in live tv

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Juski:

ccooke: do you have different tuner types in your system?

[15:58:35]

ccooke:

nope

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Juski:

stop the backend daemon & run it as the mythtv user

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Juski:

in a terminal

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ccooke:

done

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ccooke:

there are still no upcoming recordings

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imperfect-:

Anyone here a nuvexport ninja?

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** Merlin83b *hugs* mencoder **

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imperfect-:

heh

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ccooke:

... just scheduled another thing to record. It's in the DB. it's not recording and it doesn't show up in upcoming recordings.

[16:02:08]

Dagmar:

Again, turn up the verbosity of logging in the backend

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imperfect-:

Weird

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ccooke:

it's on maximum verbosity

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imperfect-:

I thought everything went into nupple video

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Dagmar:

If it's got any reason to not record, it will likely say so in the log

[16:02:24]

imperfect-:

yet I'm seeing a lot of my recordings in straight mpg

[16:02:30]

ccooke:

I see absolutely nothing there

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Dagmar:

imperfect-: NUV is only used if you have a suck tuner card without hardware compression

[16:02:47]

imperfect-:

Ah

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imperfect-:

I see

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imperfect-:

I did not know that

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imperfect-:

Like my Air2PC card ;)

[16:03:19]

Dagmar:

This is why those Hauppauge PVR cards are worth their weight in platinum to us

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imperfect-:

Does ffmpeg suck?

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ccooke:

I can see the backend get requests to reschedule a recording and query pending recordings

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ccooke:

Dagmar: the output quality is certainly a lot better – the reinstall here was prompted by my buying a PVR500

[16:04:30]

ccooke:

(and moving to Ubuntu Egdy)

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Dagmar:

Wait, lemme guess

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sigger:

juski: thanks. I've got "musicplaylist".

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Dagmar:

It stopped recording after this change

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ccooke:

Dagmar: this is a brand new install

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imperfect-:

SDTV is always going to be 4:3 right?

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Dagmar:

yes

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imperfect-:

And HDTV is 16:9 right?

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Dagmar:

In theory

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imperfect-:

I'll tell you hwat's odd.

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imperfect-:

When I had my stuff set to auto-transcode

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ccooke:

Dagmar: there is absolutely nothing in this that was in the old system, except for one of the hard disks – which is currently unused.

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imperfect-:

everything was in .nuv

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Dagmar:

ccoooke: I'd make very sure you have the two tuners set up correctly

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ccooke:

Dagmar: this install has *never* been able to correctly act on a scheduled recording

[16:06:22]

ccooke:

Dagmar: ... how? There aren't really any options pertaining to them

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Dagmar:

In mythtv-setup there is

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Dagmar:

You tell it you have two tuners, and bind the cable channel listings to both of them as sources

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ccooke:

I only have one tuner active right now

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Dagmar:

Without that association (I thought it would bitch if you skip this, but maybe not) it can know about the channel lineups, and simply never think they apply to the tuners

[16:07:15]

ccooke:

the other one won't be used for a couple of months

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Dagmar:

Tell it you have two in mythtv-setup

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Dagmar:

Trust me just go ahead and light the other one up

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ccooke:

loading mythtv-setup...

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Dagmar:

It'll mean it can record at least one program while you're watching something else without hassling you about it

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ccooke:

but it can't

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ccooke:

because I don't have anything plugged into the second tuner, yet

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Dagmar:

There's also a thing in there for simultaneous jobs allowed, IIRC

[16:08:26]

Dagmar:

You *can't* have nothing plugged into the second tuner input

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ccooke:

what?

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Dagmar:

The card only has one bloody coax input for able

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Dagmar:

s/able/cable/

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Dagmar:

The other coax connector is just for the FM radio antenna

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ccooke:

I have composite1 used. That's it.

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Dagmar:

Oh you're using the composite inputs

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ccooke:

set top box...

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Dagmar:

So why did you get a PVR-500 then

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ccooke:

because I'll be able to use the second input in a couple of months

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Dagmar:

Ah, okay

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ccooke:

and because it does rather nice hardware encoding.

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Dagmar:

That it does, indeed

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jduggan:

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jduggan:

anyone know of any

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quicksilver:

I'm sure you can

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sigger:

anyone know if mythmusic can currently take a stream rather than a file?

[16:16:07]

quicksilver:

jduggan: acer aspire AS5612WLMi for 479, exc vat

[16:16:15]

quicksilver:

jduggan: although personally I'd rather have a cheap macbook :P

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Juski:

sigger: no. though somebody called eskil made a shoitecast patch for mythmusic

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Dagmar:

I'd prefer to have something that won't arouse suspicion as to why the serial number's been scraped off

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sigger:

Juski: k, thanks

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Juski:

you can make custom menu items to launch your favourite stream player though

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Daviey:

Hi, does anybody know where i can buy an ir-boy?

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sigger:

trying to get ampache (music server) to integrate with myth. ampache has much better browsing and playlist creation. myth has remote control access. combined would be much better than current

[16:27:09]

Juski:

plenty of people are very much aware that mythmusic could be better

[16:30:03]

Daviey:

Does anybody know of places that sell LIRC recievers?

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sigger:

I know, I'm trying to help solve the problem (at least temporarily) without a massive programming effort

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sigger:

Daviey: I use the Packard Bell IR (serial) receiver. got it from Tek-gems

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Daviey:

sigger, i'm in the UK

[16:31:50]

sigger:

they're in california.

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sigger:

I'm in NJ.

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Dagmar:

Daviey: There's at least two places that sell transcievers mentioned in the Wiki

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Daviey:

Dagmar, i'll look there... cheers

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Dagmar:

IguanaWorks is in the US, but the other company I don't rememebr

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Daviey:

Dagmar, are you sure it's on the wiki?

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Dagmar:

Yeah, because I put the IguanaWorks mention in myself

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Dagmar:

I got their serial transciever, and I like it

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Daviey:

Dagmar, on this site: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Homemade_Serial_Receiver

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Daviey:

?

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ccooke:

ah! found it

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Dagmar:

Why would you think a page about _homemade_ recievers would be one you could order from someone?

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ccooke:

turns out I *am* a moron :-)

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Dagmar:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Cottage_IR_Transceivers

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Dagmar:

There's one

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Daviey:

Dagmar, because it IS considered homemade

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ccooke:

master backend IP and "IP for foo" were different (although pointing to the same machine)

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Dagmar:

Here's another http://www.irblaster.info/index.html

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Dagmar:

...which was linked from http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/LIRC

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Dagmar:

Reading is good stuff. :/

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Juski:

blasphemer!

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Dagmar:

Tehre's also http://lnx.manoweb.com/lirc/?partType=section&partName=buy right below it

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Daviey:

sarcasm is evil stuff

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Dagmar:

No, functional illiteracy is evil

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Dagmar:

it's also epidemic

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Dagmar:

Hang around here long enough and you'll begin to notice that over half the problems stem from an inability to read

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Dagmar:

I literally just punched in "ir reciever" in the search box on the wiki to find the other two

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** Juski resists the temptation to even start on that **

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Dagmar:

I'm adding links to the cottage IR recievers page for the other two now

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Dagmar:

I meant to do this before but kept putting it off.

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Dagmar:

OKay. Added

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Juski:

I'm tempted to sell my spare serial port receivers

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Juski:

take advantage of the folks too dumb to google & find them cheaper / better

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Merlin83b:

You're becoming a true eBay pro, Juski.

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Juski:

aye. earns the sheckles here & there

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Juski:

I might get around to selling the rest of my vinyl records one day

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Juski:

if I do though they'll all go in one big lump. I can't be arsed setting up so many items

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Juski:

hmmm wait a sec I could make much more money selling em in-duh-vidually :)

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Merlin83b:

Do 1 or 2 a day :)

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Juski:

50p profit on the p&p each item.. all adds up

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Merlin83b:

Heh

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Juski:

or like my wife said, charge people for my new theme

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Juski:

as if...

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Merlin83b:

Heh

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Juski:

kind of made up my mind I'm not gonna do any promo stuff again though. re-steering my life's priorities & all that

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Merlin83b:

No more linux shows?

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Juski:

nope

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Juski:

my pockets are only _so_ deep :)

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Juski:

well, paid my dues it's time to go home

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seth|laptop:

Tommck: are you on dish internet?

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Tommck:

yes

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Tommck:

direcway

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seth|laptop:

how is that for say like on-line gaming

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seth|laptop:

bad pings?

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Tommck:

useless

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seth|laptop:

ah

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seth|laptop:

well that sucks, I am switching to it in 3 or 4 months

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seth|laptop:

is the only high-speed available where I am moving to

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Tommck:

it sucks ass

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Tommck:

but better than dialup

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opello:

get dialup too for some lower-latency things?

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seth|laptop:

do you go up and down through the dish, or up through a modem?

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Tommck:

no modem

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opello:

boy that's hard to fix

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seth|laptop:

well the company I am looking at goes up and down by he dish, I was just wondering what latency was like

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Tommck:

horrible

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kormoc:

Most Satalite internets I've delt with has ping times from around 4 seconds to 20 seconds

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seth|laptop:

wow

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** seth|laptop faints **

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Tommck:

i get between 1–2 seconds

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seth|laptop:

well there goes online gaming for me, what about downloading .iso's any better

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kormoc:

once it gets going, the thoughput is fine

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Tommck:

can't download ISOs

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kormoc:

it's just the latency on starting/stopping a connection sucks

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** kormoc raises an eyebrow at Tommck **

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Tommck:

they throttle if you download too much

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seth|laptop:

so emerge-ing and what not I should be ok

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Tommck:

too much = ~200MB

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kormoc:

Tommck, that depends on the company I would venture to say

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Tommck:

DirecWay

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mchou:

sigh, is this just me, or are the deals for this black friday especially lame?

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seth|laptop:

walmart has 720p 42" HDTV's for under grand, thats pretty good

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mchou:

seth|laptop: yeah, that's not too bad. But I already have one :)

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seth|laptop:

of course thats not 1080i, but a good price

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seth|laptop:

I have all my shopping done already

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seth|laptop:

and wrapped

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mchou:

seth|laptop: no returm/PM? :)

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mchou:

return*

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seth|laptop:

but I have to slap myself for buying 5 iDogs at $30 a piece and wally world has them on friday for $10

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mchou:

that's one scary looking dog

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seth|laptop:

mchou: I have all my shopping done already | and wrapped | but I have to slap myself for buying 5 iDogs at $30 a piece and wally world has them on friday for $10

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mchou:

too tripping psychedelic for me

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seth|laptop:

mchou: better :-)

[18:47:52]

seth|laptop:

well its what the nieces/nephews wanted

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mchou:

there are some laptops for less than $300 though.....

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seth|laptop:

they are so small

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seth|laptop:

the idogs that is

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seth|laptop:

$300 laptops are good

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seth|laptop:

inexpensive frontends

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mchou:

yeah.....

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mchou:

and I need a more updated laptop

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mchou:

I still remeber last TG get together.....

[18:49:33]

mchou:

some ppl bailed early to camp for BF.

[18:49:42]

mchou:

I couldnt believe it

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seth|laptop:

my laptop video card fried, gonna cost $325 to replace it, but it is worth it I suppose

[18:50:17]

mchou:

I can use BF as an excuse to bail out of TG get togethers :)

[18:51:17]

mchou:

seth|laptop: what brand laptop is this?

[18:51:57]

mchou:

seth|laptop: a laptop videocard fry means: "replace the laptop" :)

[18:53:16]

Saviq:

$325? couldn't you get another laptop for this kind of money?

[18:53:39]

mchou:

Saviq: depend on the original lappy :)

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kslater:

fryfrog: ping

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mchou:

Saviq: if it's one of those utra-slim compact ones, $325 might be worth it to replace mobo

[18:54:29]

Saviq:

yeah well if you've paid more for it, than it should probably have warranty, shouldn't it?

[18:54:53]

mchou:

Saviq: that's indeed a point

[18:55:05]

Saviq:

depending on what "fried" ;)

[18:55:12]

kslater:

just played back the tonight show from last night with my EPIA SP 13000. Used xine -xxmc and it played back an HD recording using only 10% of the cpu

[18:55:17]

kslater:

absolutely amazing

[18:55:26]

Saviq:

'cause if one used a frying pan for it,

[18:55:34]

Saviq:

than the warranty probably won't cover that...

[18:55:45]

mchou:

Saviq: or OC :)

[18:56:17]

hjohnson:

kslater: what are you using for a video card?

[18:56:52]

hjohnson:

kslater: i've been pondering using the C7 based one...

[18:57:13]

kslater:

the unichrome pro on the motherborad

[18:57:38]

kslater:

with xine and it's support for xxmc it's almost a full mpeg2 decode in hardware

[18:57:38]

hjohnson:

ahh, ok

[18:57:49]

hjohnson:

yeah

[18:58:08]

hjohnson:

ncix has the EN12000 for a somewhat reasonable price

[18:58:38]

hjohnson:

kslater: how well does it work for things like MPEG4 and h264?

[18:58:47]

mchou:

lol

[18:59:44]

mchou:

forget about it

[18:59:44]

kslater:

gotta be careful to get the right chipset on the graphics side.

[18:59:44]

kslater:

mpeg4 isn't supported as well yet, but there is apparently some help for that as well

[18:59:45]

hjohnson:

it's using the same chipset as the SP13000

[18:59:45]

kslater:

haven't tried any h264 stuff

[18:59:45]

hjohnson:

kslater: so I could always transcode to high-rate mpeg2 on my main machine and stream it over the network.

[18:59:59]

kslater:

but for me, I have a PVR-250 off my satellite and an Air2PC for the OTA HD stuff. That's plenty of content for now.

[19:00:23]

hjohnson:

I just have basic cable..

[19:00:29]

hjohnson:

my primary TV source is scrapetorrent. :P

[19:00:31]

mchou:

kslater: which gen air2pc you got?

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kslater:

first gen I guess

[19:00:46]

hjohnson:

"the internet is my PVR"

[19:00:58]

kslater:

bcm chipset I think?

[19:01:13]

mchou:

hjohnson: they why would you need to hang out in this channel?

[19:01:25]

mchou:

s/they/then

[19:01:29]

hjohnson:

for the air2pc card?

[19:01:41]

mchou:

hjohnson: huh?

[19:02:09]

hjohnson:

hmm.. if I want to stick any more PCI cards in my server, I'm gonna have to move to a PCIe video card instead of the 1MB S3 Trio that's currently occupying a PCI slot. <G>

[19:02:19]

mchou:

i THOUGHT ALL SHOWS INCLUDING PREMIUMS ARE ON TORRENT.....

[19:02:40]

mchou:

oops, hit capslock by accident

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mchou:

kslater: hmm, that's one of the earliest gen of air2pc, iirc

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kslater:

yea, got it cheap on ebay

[19:05:49]

kslater:

my problem is that I didn't know if I could get any hd ota stuff

[19:05:57]

kslater:

needed a cheap way to investigate

[19:06:14]

mchou:

kslater: where you live? out in the woods?

[19:06:41]

kslater:

north of Pittsburgh

[19:06:46]

mchou:

kslater: then expense is the antenna, I'd think

[19:06:56]

mchou:

not the air2pc :)

[19:07:38]

Speedy2:

hjohnson: An nVidia 6200 (TC or non-TC) based card should be cheap and is PCIe (XvMC support, DVI/VGA, s-video, etc)

[19:08:29]

kslater:

mchou – the problem I have is that Pittsburgh stations' towers are southeast of me and there is a giant hillside right out of my backyard

[19:08:38]

kslater:

goes up probably 75'

[19:09:14]

kslater:

also, technically, you're not permitted to have external antennas in this plan

[19:09:29]

mchou:

kslater: plan?

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hjohnson:

Speedy2: heh, I know, but it's a server.. I haven't been on its console in god.. 6 months. :) it only has a video card in it so it can boot.

[19:09:35]

kslater:

development of houses

[19:09:44]

hjohnson:

if it had an ISA slot, i'd stuff in a 256kb video card and call it done

[19:09:45]

mchou:

kslater: you mean Homeowner's association?

[19:09:47]

kslater:

homeowners association covenant

[19:09:51]

kslater:

right

[19:10:03]

mchou:

kslater: that's against FCC rules, iirc

[19:10:08]

hjohnson:

ahh< HOAs.. Hitlers Of America

[19:10:17]

hjohnson:

bane of sane people everywhere.

[19:10:46]

kslater:

I know FCC had an allowance for sat dishes, but for hd antennas now too?

[19:10:47]

mchou:

kslater: no HOA can "ban" external antennas.....

[19:11:02]

kslater:

cause I have a nice UHF that would grab more stations I'm sure

[19:11:02]

Dibblah:

Since when have you needed a video card to boot?

[19:11:17]

mchou:

kslater: think about it. How else would OTA HD gain acceptance?

[19:11:19]

hjohnson:

Dibblah: the bios on my motherboard won't boot without an attached video card.

[19:11:23]

kslater:

mchou – you sure about that?

[19:11:29]

mchou:

kslater: 99%

[19:11:36]

Dibblah:

Used to not be able to put up TV antennas in the UK in certain areas...

[19:11:38]

hjohnson:

Dibblah: so i stuffed in a PCI 1MB S3 Trio.. into an Athlon 64 X2 system. <G>

[19:11:40]

kslater:

ok. maybe I'll surf the wonderful fcc site

[19:12:04]

mchou:

kslater: there is no need. google "HOA FCC antenna"

[19:12:04]

hjohnson:

imense computing power and storage... itty bitty video card

[19:12:08]

kslater:

I'd need a combiner I think. I have an existing pizza antenna

[19:12:25]

hjohnson:

mmm.. pizza

[19:12:26]

Dibblah:

The S3 cards are still quite power-hungry.

[19:12:47]

hjohnson:

Dibblah: it's not power consumption I'm worried about, the S3 was just something that I had lying about in my junk box.

[19:12:48]

Dibblah:

Better off with a ATI Mobility ;)

[19:12:55]

mchou:

kslater: http://www.fcc.gov/mb/facts/otard.html

[19:13:42]

mchou:

kslater: it covers OTA HD TV antennas

[19:13:58]

Dibblah:

Of course, nothing beats the NVidia 6150 for sheer performance / power.

[19:14:34]

hjohnson:

Dibblah: doesn't change the fact that the only way I interact with the system is via SSH. <G>

[19:14:37]

kslater:

mchou – http://pastebin.ca/255203

[19:14:52]

hjohnson:

hmm.. shame that the EN13000 doesn't have gigabit ethernet

[19:14:53]

kslater:

coolness!

[19:15:05]

kslater:

now my neighbors will really hate me!

[19:15:07]

mchou:

kslater: so wave this in HOA's face

[19:15:15]

kslater:

And I'm off with warm weather. Double cool!

[19:15:22]

mchou:

kslater: fsck them. they cant do anything

[19:16:00]

kslater:

course they could look under my deck and bust me for that infraction

[19:16:12]

mchou:

kslater: you cant get cable?

[19:16:17]

kslater:

I can

[19:16:25]

kslater:

I prefer satellite

[19:16:28]

mchou:

kslater: ok

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mchou:

kslater: I dont get it. what's under your deck?

[19:17:04]

kslater:

riding mower, so other junk

[19:17:16]

kslater:

HOA says nothing can be stored outside the house / garage

[19:17:24]

kslater:

can't park on the street either

[19:17:35]

mchou:

kslater: how big is your property? You need a riding mower? :)

[19:17:53]

kslater:

was from the old place

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hjohnson:

kslater: sucky

[19:18:03]

kslater:

had more grass to cut then

[19:18:13]

kslater:

now I have kids to mow it with a walk behind

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hjohnson:

hehe

[19:18:31]

hjohnson:

we just let our lawn go brown in the summer, saved us from having to mow it.

[19:18:33]

mchou:

kslater: why did you move in this nazi neighborhood?

[19:18:47]

hjohnson:

but I suppose your HOA requires you to waste water and water the lawn

[19:19:10]

kslater:

no requirments to have a nice yard, but I do

[19:19:16]

kslater:

wife requires that much

[19:19:27]

kslater:

we liked the house we're in and could afford it

[19:19:33]

mchou:

kslater: your wife is a nazi? :)

[19:19:42]

kslater:

we won't be staying once the kids go off to college

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hjohnson:

oh, ours looks decent, it's just that we don't waste water on the lawn.. garden is done up neatly, well watered, but why on earth would you waste water on a lawn. <G>

[19:20:00]

kslater:

no, she just likes nice grass

[19:20:44]

hjohnson:

damn, I ran my crackberry's battery down today

[19:21:14]

mchou:

kslater: seriously, lemme know how you get on with the HOA re antenna

[19:21:30]

mchou:

install antenna first, beg forgiveness later :)

[19:21:58]

kslater:

no kidding

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mchou:

and if HOA gets in a huff, show them the FCC rule :)

[19:22:14]

mchou:

watch the reaction on their face :)

[19:22:22]

mchou:

priceless :)

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Juski:

you can have some of our rain for your lawn if you like ;)

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mchou:

kslater: Antenna $75, installation $250, pissing off HOA, priceless!

[19:24:06]

mchou:

and the best part is HOA cant do jack shit

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hjohnson:

oh, we don't want it or need it..

[19:24:29]

hjohnson:

last week we got 6" of rain in 15 hours.

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kslater:

something strange about my OTA HD exercise, there is a local broadcaster that I don't see when I scan for channels

[19:27:41]

kslater:

they're within a couple of miles of 2 other antennas that I do get and they are just as powerful and high

[19:27:49]

sunnyhours4130:

what's the equivalent of /var/log/messages on knoppmyth? that doesn't exist on my install

[19:28:55]

Juski:

sunnyhours4130: need to read a knoppix/debian 101 guide? ;)

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kslater:

how about locate messages?

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sunnyhours4130:

i think i do

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Juski:

heh. nobody has yet pointed out to me that the beta version of my new theme has the wrong name

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jduggan:

oh

[19:37:43]

jduggan:

yea when you extract the tarball its 'new-theme'

[19:37:53]

jduggan:

i was going to mention that last night, but you went afk

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Juski:

it's new-wide actually

[19:39:10]

Juski:

:-P

[19:39:15]

Juski:

nil points

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Juski:

renaming the source dir now

[19:44:42]

Juski:

and the beta will go to 1.1 tonight

[19:45:58]

Juski:

whee mythfrontend just segfaulted

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hjohnson:

:P

[19:46:13]

hjohnson:

that sucks

[19:46:36]

Juski:

changed themes

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Juski:

loaded a new base.xml then pooped its pants

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jduggan:

Juski: my frontend does that quite often

[19:52:10]

Juski:

when you restart mythfrontend as many times as theme designing folks do, the occasional segfault is prolly expected

[19:52:15]

jduggan:

Juski: is this a common problem?

[19:52:36]

Juski:

not had mythfrontend segfault on me in normal use AFAIK

[19:52:58]

jduggan:

Juski: mythfrontend segfaults for me quite often.. only when im loading new themes though

[19:53:02]

Juski:

time to flex my puny upload pipe

[19:53:08]

jduggan:

lol

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jduggan:

what ya got?

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Juski:

jduggan: might be worth looking into that

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Juski:

256mbit upload

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GreyFoxx:

jduggan: Have you put in trac tickets?

[19:54:07]

Juski:

oh shat I need to change several links now :(

[19:54:24]

jduggan:

GreyFoxx: no, for the simple reason im using debian packages from debian-multimedia, cant afford the mythtv downtime till i build a new frontend :)

[19:54:42]

jduggan:

Juski: aah, standard UK upload speed though :)

[19:54:57]

jduggan:

although since i upgraded my dsl i got 400 or so

[19:55:10]

GreyFoxx:

Still, if they are 0.20 then you should submit a ticket at least stating the version info and what theme and the exact error if there is one other than Segfault :)

[19:55:26]

hjohnson:

I assume you mean 256kbit. :P

[19:55:28]

GreyFoxx:

backtraces are much more helpful, but not required :)

[19:55:29]

jduggan:

448kbit apparently

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hjohnson:

I have 650 righ tnow, which is pretty decent

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Juski:

hjohnson: lol yes

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Juski:

don't think I'd be moaning about 256mbit

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jduggan:

hjohnson: you in the UK?

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Juski:

or would I? ;)

[19:56:12]

hjohnson:

well, 256mbit might be painful too, it if is 256milibit

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hjohnson:

;)

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Juski:

case fascist

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hjohnson:

lol

[19:56:46]

Juski:

or upholder of SI units ;)

[19:56:58]

jduggan:

GreyFoxx: well in actual fact, it quite often kills X not just the frrontend :).. i havent looked into debugging it for the simple reason i plan to upgrade sooner rather than later :)

[19:57:32]

jduggan:

by upgrade i mean build a new frontend and build from source rather than install from packages

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Juski:

hrm this is the other argument for having subversion of course

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Juski:

jduggan: you could've tried superm1's packages

[19:58:20]

jduggan:

DownStream Connection Speed 8128 kbps

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jduggan:

nice downstream speeds here :)

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jduggan:

Juski: oh, where would i find them?

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Juski:

deb http://home.eng.iastate.edu/~superm1 dapper main

[19:59:23]

Juski:

change dapper to wedgy

[19:59:33]

Juski:

(for wedgy)

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Juski:

and deb-src http://home.eng.iastate.edu/~superm1 dapper main

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jduggan:

mmm, are they debian compatible?

[20:00:07]

jduggan:

im on debian etch

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Juski:

ah

[20:00:28]

Juski:

I think he has debian ones too, or he did em.. or.. er.. (cough) I dunno

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jduggan:

lol

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Juski:

just done a typo that's making me man rm

[20:07:41]

Juski:

ahaha.

[20:08:13]

Juski:

been rm -rf'ing for like 20 years having been told it's all I needed to do to wipe out a dir

[20:08:21]

Juski:

when rm -rd does the same. duh!

[20:08:31]

** Juski puts on the dunce's cap & sits in the corner **

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jduggan:

how is that any easier

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jduggan:

still the same amount to type :)

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jduggan:

i just alias rm to rm -rf

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daveyiv:

anyone know why 14:30:28: Error: Could not start transcode is happening when I try to import DVD using Good quality?

[20:17:04]

Juski:

daveyiv: mtd not running?

[20:17:13]

daveyiv:

it should be running

[20:17:21]

Juski:

mtd not staying running then? ;)

[20:17:32]

daveyiv:

any idea why it wouldn't?

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Juski:

after that I'm no use. don't do much ripping

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daveyiv:

if i do a ps ax | grep "mtd" it lists mtd daemon running

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Juski:

well not of dvds anyway ;)

[20:19:16]

daveyiv:

how can I manually run the transcode command to see an error?

[20:19:54]

Juski:

nothing in the log?

[20:20:21]

daveyiv:

it gives the command its going to run then says 14:11:07: job thread beginning to rip dvd title

[20:20:21]

daveyiv:

14:30:28: job thread finished ripping dvd title

[20:20:21]

daveyiv:

14:30:28: Error: Could not start transcode

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Juski:

do you have transcode installed?

[20:21:52]

Juski:

can't remember which package it's part of.

[20:22:01]

daveyiv:

is it not part of mtd?

[20:22:45]

Juski:

not sure

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daveyiv:

if i try to run transcode it says command not found

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Juski:

likely it's not installed then

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Juski:

time to do something else now. laters y'all

[20:23:54]

daveyiv:

later

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promacuser:

i'm having a hell of a time setting up internet access on my mythbox, as it keeps losing the gateway. can someone assist?

[20:32:18]

daedalus_:

promacuser: sounds like you have a duelling dhcp client

[20:32:31]

promacuser:

can i show you what my interfaces file looks like?

[20:32:46]

promacuser:

oh, i also should note that i lose the gateway every time that i reboot

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daedalus_:

promacuser: Sure. Privmsg it

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promacuser:

# The loopback interface

[20:34:44]

promacuser:

# automatically added when upgrading

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promacuser:

auto lo eth0

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promacuser:

iface lo inet loopback

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promacuser:

iface eth0 inet static

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promacuser:

address 192.168.1.104

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promacuser:

netmask 225.225.225.0

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promacuser:

broadcast 192.168.1.255

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promacuser:

haha

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promacuser:

it got spewed out here. sorry.

[20:35:03]

jduggan:

or pastebin would be nice

[20:35:05]

jduggan:

:)

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daedalus_:

Dude! Privmsg!

[20:35:46]

promacuser:

right!

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daedalus_:

Anyway. It's here.

[20:35:57]

promacuser:

sorry, i'm not ircle friendly.

[20:36:29]

jduggan:

promacuser: do you have a default gateway set?

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daedalus_:

so, you need a gateway XXX.XXX.XXX.XXX line under, say, the broadcast line

[20:36:58]

promacuser:

yes, sorry, that got cut off

[20:37:04]

promacuser:

here is the pastebin

[20:37:04]

promacuser:

http://pastebin.ca/255292

[20:37:12]

daedalus_:

Excellent!

[20:37:55]

jduggan:

does it not work at all?

[20:38:15]

jduggan:

can you ping the gateway?

[20:38:23]

promacuser:

when the box is rebooted, the gateway does not show up

[20:38:30]

jduggan:

do you have resolv.conf setup

[20:38:38]

promacuser:

i can ping the gateway

[20:38:41]

daedalus_:

promacuser: if you do an ifdown and an ifup, does the gateway get set properly?

[20:38:59]

jduggan:

promacuser: you can ping the gateway after reboot?

[20:39:06]

promacuser:

jduggan: yes

[20:39:21]

jduggan:

promacuser: does route -n show the default gateway after reboot?

[20:39:25]

daedalus_:

jduggan: resolv.conf shouldnt affect this

[20:39:39]

jduggan:

daedalus_: he said he cant reach the internet from his mythtv box

[20:39:52]

promacuser:

daedalus: ifup and ifdown both fail

[20:39:57]

daedalus_:

jduggan: heh. good point

[20:40:16]

jduggan:

promacuser: do you have nameservers set in /etc/resolv.conf

[20:40:44]

daedalus_:

promacuser: is your card indeed on eth0? if you do an ifconfig does it show up as the name eth0?

[20:40:55]

promacuser:

yes, it is certainly eth0

[20:40:59]

daedalus_:

promacuser: and what distro are you using?

[20:41:08]

promacuser:

it's knoppmyth

[20:41:15]

jduggan:

promacuser: does a /etc/init.d/networking restart fix things?

[20:41:27]

jduggan:

which distro is knoppmyth based off?

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daedalus_:

debian

[20:41:33]

jduggan:

ah

[20:41:35]

jduggan:

try what i said then

[20:41:40]

promacuser:

Failed to bring up eth0.

[20:41:47]

jduggan:

looked like debia from his network config

[20:41:51]

daedalus_:

That ifdown and ifup are failing is... weird

[20:41:55]

promacuser:

SIOCSIFNETMASK: Invalid argument

[20:41:58]

promacuser:

i don't knwo if that helps

[20:42:09]

promacuser:

what is SIOCSIFNETMASK?

[20:42:20]

promacuser:

for my personal edification

[20:42:28]

daedalus_:

It's an ioctl error.

[20:42:59]

daedalus_:

Though it seems to be grumbling about your netmask (hence IFNETMASK)

[20:43:29]

promacuser:

htanks

[20:44:37]

daedalus_:

But I will admit your netmask looks healthy

[20:44:54]

jduggan:

try /sbin/ifconfig eth0 192.168.1.104 netmask 255.255.255.0

[20:45:01]

jduggan:

see if that fails

[20:45:25]

promacuser:

i guess it worked, but it did nothing

[20:45:31]

promacuser:

well, no output

[20:45:59]

jduggan:

sounds like it worked then

[20:46:04]

jduggan:

ping 192.168.1.104

[20:46:15]

jduggan:

and check ifconfig eth0

[20:46:55]

promacuser:

it looks identical

[20:47:13]

jduggan:

route -n shows your default gateway still?

[20:47:42]

daedalus_:

promacuser: it would be weird, but remove the broadcast line, and then try an ifdown eth0, ifup eth0. You shouldn't need the line, but it shouldn't be screwing with anything either.

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promacuser:

daedalus_: still the same

[20:49:28]

promacuser:

i'll give you a pastebin

[20:50:00]

promacuser:

http://pastebin.ca/255306

[20:52:57]

riddlebox:

anyone running mythtv on slackware?

[20:53:27]

daedalus_:

*cringes at the thought*

[20:54:06]

riddlebox:

my biggest problem is that the current kernel locks up my nvidia card

[20:55:05]

promacuser:

is there an automatic configuration tool for the internet card?

[20:55:57]

daedalus_:

promacuser: heh. depends upon what you mean by automatic

[20:56:27]

promacuser:

daedalus: well, there was something that i used a long time ago and it had a little fake-GUI

[20:56:41]

daedalus_:

promacuser: Well, lets see. Remove all but the address line from the eth0 portion of the interfaces file. Then try ifup again. Same error?

[20:57:08]

promacuser:

including the loopback stuff?

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daedalus_:

promacuser: nope. leave the loopback stuff, as well as the auto line

[20:57:41]

promacuser:

Don't seem to be have all the variables for eth0/inet.

[20:57:41]

promacuser:

Failed to bring up eth0.

[20:58:08]

daedalus_:

promacuser: Heh. Ok, add back the netmask line (which is required, soo the failure was expected)

[20:59:05]

promacuser:

hey, it worked!

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daedalus_:

promacuser: ok, so now for the gateway. Add that line back in. Now you'll have to do an ifdown eth0, then the ifup.

[21:01:19]

daedalus_:

riddlebox: the kernel locks the card? how can you tell?

[21:02:28]

promacuser:

shit, i forgot, ifdown locks up the box

[21:02:36]

riddlebox:

daedalus_, well it appears that way, as soon as I install the nvidia drivers on ubuntu,or fedora 2.6.17 kernels, my machine starts to lock up hard, I cannot do anything but reboot

[21:04:00]

Juski:

riddlebox: you using ubuntu packages or nvidia's installer?

[21:04:50]

riddlebox:

I have tried both, and they both lock up

[21:04:53]

daedalus_:

promacuser: hott. Well, that's retarded. Ok, so we won't do an ifdown (though that's.... weird. And you'll have some issues whenever you actually try to shutdown the box). When you start the machine up though, did the gatewat take?

[21:05:07]

riddlebox:

Juski, I even downgraded nvidia drivers and still had it lock up on my

[21:05:10]

riddlebox:

my=me

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promacuser:

daedalus_: nope.

[21:05:26]

daedalus_:

riddlebox: I have the same problem with debian and the provided drivers. It's gotta be a driver thing.

[21:05:36]

promacuser:

although, whenever i reboot the system, i don't have trouble with it locking up

[21:05:47]

daedalus_:

promacuser: if you do a route add default gw XXX.XXX.XXX.XXX, does it take?

[21:06:00]

promacuser:

daedalus_: it's instant

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riddlebox:

daedalus_, it happened to me in fedora too, what I may try to do is go back to dapper and not install any updates, if it is possible

[21:06:24]

daedalus_:

promacuser: and then can you ping outside IPs?

[21:06:42]

riddlebox:

how do I play a playlist after I set one up?

[21:06:55]

daedalus_:

riddlebox: well, do you need nvidia acceleration, or can you get away with just the nv drivers?

[21:07:14]

riddlebox:

daedalus_, I want to use s-video out to my tv

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r3z`:

Trying to walk a friend through the mythtvsetup from memory cause I cant access my box currently he has a PVR-500 He needs to setup the tuner card in what 2 places?

[21:07:29]

r3z`:

Whats the naming in mythsetup

[21:07:33]

promacuser:

daedalus: when i set up the gateway, it works just fine

[21:07:34]

** r3z` is brainfarting **

[21:07:40]

Juski:

capture cards, r3z`

[21:07:49]

r3z`:

and then input connections?

[21:07:54]

r3z`:

for the coax?

[21:07:56]

Juski:

you could just tell your friend to read the docs

[21:08:01]

r3z`:

heh

[21:08:05]

riddlebox:

r3z`, in capture card area, tuner 1 = /dev/video0 tuner2=/dev/video1

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daedalus_:

promacuser: edit the interfaces file. Under the iface eth0 part, add the line: post-up route add default gw XXX.XXX.XXX.XXX

[21:09:05]

daedalus_:

promacuser: and perhaps remove the gateway line.

[21:10:23]

promacuser:

ifup: interface eth0 already configured

[21:10:37]

promacuser:

but still no gateway

[21:11:52]

daedalus_:

promacuser: and you said you couldn't run ifdown without crashing the computer...

[21:12:29]

promacuser:

daedalus_: well, it still works, but my shell kind of freezes.

[21:12:40]

promacuser:

i'm ssh'ed into it from my macbook pro

[21:13:24]

daedalus_:

promacuser: oh, well, yeah.... Silly. It's like sawing off the branch you're standing on ;)

[21:14:18]

daedalus_:

promacuser: how are you running ifup? from the terminal itself?

[21:14:25]

promacuser:

daedalus_: oh. well, now that i THINK about it, it makes sense

[21:14:28]

promacuser:

but yes, from the terminal.

[21:14:48]

promacuser:

daedalus_: fine. . . i'll go over to the box, ugh!

[21:14:53]

daedalus_:

*laughs*

[21:15:57]

promacuser:

daedalus_: ok, on the way back up, it's taking a while

[21:16:31]

promacuser:

it says "link becomes ready:

[21:16:44]

promacuser:

but still no gateway

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daedalus_:

promacuser: now I'm wondering if your box doesn't have the taint somehow. That's not a normal message from what I know of ifup...

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promacuser:

it starts with Link is not ready. then link is up at 100mbps, full duples, then flow control is on for TX and RX then link becomes ready

[21:22:48]

daedalus_:

promacuser: ah, yes, the knoppix voodoo that they doo...

[21:23:12]

daedalus_:

promacuser: at this point, it seems the similarities between knoppix and debian end.

[21:23:19]

promacuser:

uhoh.

[21:23:59]

daedalus_:

promacuser: you might try asking in #knoppix? I mean, I can give you a dirty kludge of a line of code to "make things work", but the next tiem you update, things may just break again.

[21:24:16]

promacuser:

yes, i'm thinking about maybe even just reinstalling everything

[21:24:50]

daedalus_:

Seems a bit extreme, but it might be healthy anyway

[21:25:23]

promacuser:

it's not the only thing that's broken right now

[21:25:26]

promacuser:

:)

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promacuser:

thanks daedalus. i'll catch you later

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Juski:

new screenshots are up... http://homepage.ntlworld.com/justin.hornsby2//comingsoon/

[21:42:20]

xris:

Juski: I want it! :)

[21:42:45]

Krazylegz:

Juski: Looks very nice.

[21:42:54]

Juski:

it's juust about ready I think

[21:43:07]

Juski:

maybe some tweaks left but hopefully some nice people will help test it

[21:43:44]

Juski:

and when it's done, to hell with it I'll open a ticket

[21:45:07]

Juski:

it was funny doing the 1.1 beta – I couldn't remember how the 'toptitle' & 'bottomtitle' bits in the playback section of ui.xml worked

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Juski:

noticed one thing though – how in 'current title' the text gets cropped much more nicely than in toptitle & bottomtitle

[21:46:32]

Juski:

in top & bottom title you see "foobar ackbar foobar sasqua"

[21:46:45]

Juski:

but in current title you see "foobar ackbar foobar ..."

[21:47:06]

Juski:

that'll need a patch to the ui code though

[21:47:09]

xris:

Juski: but it's only 16:9, which does me no good

[21:47:23]

Juski:

I may bow to demand for 4:3

[21:48:00]

Juski:

having learned from pg mistakes I'll call this one 'finished' before starting work on another

[21:48:31]

Juski:

just to save the Etoomanyversions issues ;)

[21:48:51]

Juski:

or if someone wants to have a go I can provide the original files

[21:50:23]

xris:

heh

[21:50:32]

Juski:

looked at the themes page on the wiki. where did all the official themes go?

[21:50:40]

xris:

I'd like to try to organize a theme downloader built into the frontend. that would be kind of cool

[21:51:36]

Juski:

I only looked cos I'm getting hits from the wiki lately

[21:52:58]

Juski:

ooo bugger that was my fault

[21:53:28]

Juski:

I remember now. I couldn't submit my edits because some of the links in that section were marked as spam

[21:53:57]

Juski:

can an admin dude sort that please so I don't look like some kind of saboteur ? ;)

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daveiey:

Hi everybody, i'm looking for some help to get 1:1 pixel matching

[22:02:29]

daveiey:

with an LCD tv

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** scopeuk appologises for any stupidity in advanced hes slightly sleap deprived **

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kormoc:

scopeuk, so take a nap? :P

[22:06:28]

scopeuk:

if i do that ill be up at 6 am then will ahveto kill 3 hours doing nothing

[22:06:37]

scopeuk:

got in at 5:15 left home at 8:30

[22:06:49]

scopeuk:

all good fun

[22:06:55]

Juski:

left home at 8am, got in at 6.45.pm

[22:07:11]

scopeuk:

both am

[22:07:19]

scopeuk:

yesterday i left home at 8am got home at 5:15 am

[22:07:45]

Juski:

eee when I were a lad, we didn't 'ave a 'ouse. we 'ad to go down t' pit, eat nothin' but razor blades....

[22:07:58]

scopeuk:

lol

[22:08:13]

scopeuk:

if it makes you feal better at 5 am this morning i was stackign 8 by 4 steal deck staging

[22:08:38]

Juski:

steal? you were nicking it?!

[22:08:44]

scopeuk:

no

[22:08:46]

kslater:

if it makes you feel better I was dead asleep at 5 am

[22:08:52]

scopeuk:

im a lunatic and tech events in the student union

[22:09:07]

Juski:

scopeuk: if it makes you feel better I have a new theme on the virge of coming out

[22:09:16]

scopeuk:

that does

[22:09:18]

jams:

Juski- very nice work

[22:09:19]

Juski:

makes me feel better fer sure :)

[22:09:22]

kslater:

just looked at it Juski – looks nice

[22:09:24]

Juski:

thanks jams :)

[22:09:34]

Juski:

infact thanks everybody :)

[22:09:48]

kslater:

once I get my DVI daughterboard I'll jump on it.

[22:10:21]

jams:

been wanting to get back to themeing, but this distro keeps sucking up time

[22:10:30]

jams:

constantly tweaking it

[22:10:35]

Juski:

I can't impress enough the importance of sending screenshots of issues you find though. got emailed some & had them sorted out within an hour of getting home :)

[22:11:18]

Juski:

my ubuntu install needs some attention. wife was trying to play some vids today & wasn't getting audio :(

[22:11:40]

jams:

well, when i'm done you can drop ubunutu =)

[22:11:44]

Juski:

also needs the boot time reduced by half too

[22:12:09]

Dibblah:

Looks nice. Damn those looong dissertations uk_rt calls descriptions, though :)

[22:12:10]

Juski:

been tempted by lfs but I found I can't build shit on ubuntu for some reason

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jams:

oh lfs is fun for the first day....

[22:12:31]

hjohnson:

it's a good thing they can't track where my phone calls have been coming from..

[22:12:42]

jams:

I started with lfs then grew tired of it

[22:12:48]

Dibblah:

juski: alfs: It's Gentoo without the training wheels ;)

[22:12:59]

Juski:

Dibblah: ok. I'll do a blootube-uk_rt theme then... with a one line selector for everything, and the rest of the screen for the show descriptions

[22:13:18]

Dibblah:

You'll still need scroll buttons.

[22:13:25]

Juski:

bastard

[22:13:53]

Juski:

maybe there's a PERL module to parse Alison Daniels' florrid text

[22:13:58]

Dibblah:

Heh. It does look good, though :)

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Juski:

oh yeah it's XML::cutoutthebollocks

[22:14:22]

jams:

Juski- have to tried the theme on low powerboxes?

[22:14:33]

Juski:

jams: yeah. works nice on my epia m10k

[22:14:37]

Dibblah:

What I don't get is why they don't use the descriptions from the paper version...

[22:14:39]

jams:

cool

[22:14:49]

Juski:

wouldn't recommend it on less than 512MB ram though

[22:14:57]

Juski:

it's _huge_

[22:15:02]

Dibblah:

Which are concise and well-worded.

[22:15:05]

jams:

as you know a big theme can kill a small box

[22:15:24]

Juski:

jams: been thinking about that

[22:15:59]

Juski:

it'd be much smaller without the watermarks, so I could have a version for the lower memory machine quite easily

[22:16:25]

Dibblah:

You may want to consider changing "<title>Project Grayhem theme for MythTV</title>" too ;)

[22:16:31]

Juski:

but there are still about 5 different menu backgrounds which could take up space

[22:16:34]

Juski:

yeah yeah

[22:16:56]

Juski:

I'm not sure I want google finding the beta yet

[22:17:46]

jams:

are the backgrounds a different color?

[22:18:02]

Juski:

jams: no but they have extra features

[22:18:06]

jams:

i see

[22:18:15]

Juski:

I could maybe work around that

[22:18:36]

Juski:

I DID find that you can very easily have a much bigger logo with base.xml though

[22:19:03]

Juski:

a la: http://homepage.ntlworld.com/justin.hornsby2/xmyth.png

[22:19:21]

Juski:

and everything else gets drawn on top :)

[22:19:38]

jams:

wow that clashes

[22:19:58]

Juski:

yeah but I was only playing

[22:20:07]

Juski:

proof of concept, call it ;)

[22:20:21]

jams:

sure sure

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scopeuk:

yay juski has a pic of a properly trimed deck

[22:21:04]

Juski:

one problem with that photo. it was full of dust & godknows what

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scopeuk:

yeh

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scopeuk:

least the speed is correct

[22:21:38]

Juski:

lol

[22:21:40]

scopeuk:

that and a clean stili are all that matter

[22:21:48]

scopeuk:

stylus*

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scopeuk:

done too many dj rigs in the last few weeks every thing is pairs

[22:22:28]

Juski:

only things I knowof that are missing at the moment are recipe watermarks.. is anyone still using mythrecipe?

[22:22:40]

scopeuk:

did anyone ever use it?

[22:23:01]

Juski:

what did it do anyway? turn the CPU into a hob?

[22:23:03]

Juski:

;)

[22:23:07]

scopeuk:

;-)

[22:23:30]

Juski:

that'd explain the 'requires Athlon XP CPU' bit

[22:23:39]

scopeuk:

could work with some of the firebreathing backends that live here

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** scopeuk ntoes he should probably put on his headphones before he upsets the neighbours **

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Juski:

btw folks if you test the new theme can you please check out mythphone & mythgame? I don't have ui xml files for them but another user has reported seeing weird stuff with them. I've yet to build & install those plugins

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Juski:

time for bed methinks. g'night all

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scopeuk:

night

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makomk:

Okay, that's not good; one of my DVB recordings seems to be lacking sound...

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makomk:

Ah – for some reason MythTV thought it had 2 audio tracks; switching to the other audio track and back got my sound back. Odd.

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tracy:

kslater: hey thanks for the help yesterday

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tracy:

i put the xmltvid in and tried numerous different things nothing worked. Looked today and WOW it is there

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tracy:

magic

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dogie:

anyone know of a good guide for mythtv with NA echostar?

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dogie:

anyone know of a good guide for mythtv with NA echostar?

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kormoc:

doubt the answer's changed at all

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r3m0t:

how can I try out (auto-tune and watch) my PVR-350 without starting mythtv-setup?

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kormoc:

run mythttv?

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r3m0t:

without it being setup? :S

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dogie:

ok then anyone know of a good guide for mythtv with dvb-s in na

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kormoc:

r3m0t, ivtvctl + mplayer?

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r3m0t:

I'm trying kdetv now...

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r3m0t:

nothing found, wahey

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r3m0t:

(output from my ntl pace STB)

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kormoc:

r3m0t, won't work. kdetv/tvtime/xawtv only work with frame grabber cards, not hardware mpeg cards

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r3m0t:

** thanks

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r3m0t:

I'm getting mplayer now

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kormoc:

you'll need to tune the channels by hand, via ivtvctl

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kormoc:

ivtvctl --device=/dev/video0 --set-input=input_number --set-freq=frequency_of_the_channel

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kormoc:

you'll likely need to use ivtvctl --list-inputs to get the right input number

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kormoc:

you also might need to do ivtvctl --set-standard=num

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kormoc:

to the right standard (use --list-standards to see the options)

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r3m0t:

ok, I think it's correctly tuned

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r3m0t:

now "mplayer /dev/video0"?

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kormoc:

aye

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