Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Tuesday, November 21st, 2006, 00:00 UTC

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kormoc:

it is a very true statement :P

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kslater:

testing a capture with a PVR250 is very simple cat /dev/video0 > test.mpg. I don't think it's quite as easy with this Air2PC card. At least I don't see it if it is that easy.

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tracy:

kslater: please let me know if u figure out the right way

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tracy:

with the zap2it debacle

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tracy:

must be pissing off a couple thousand HD owners

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sunnyhours4130:

hd owners shouldn't be happy

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cureless:

sd owners are happy that the hd owners are not happy

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sunnyhours4130:

yes

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sunnyhours4130:

though this black friday could change everything for me

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mchou:

sunnyhours4130: why? what's happening on black friday?

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sunnyhours4130:

micro center has a 32" lcd hdtv set for under 400 after rebates

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mchou:

hmm, not bad

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tracy:

well sd owners can be happy because i wasted my money on an ati hd wonder for $50

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sunnyhours4130:

haha

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mchou:

what brand?

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tracy:

and ATi sucks sooooooo bad

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sunnyhours4130:

yeah that's a damn good deal. its a syntax olevia.... which i've never heard anything about

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Pupbuntwo:

hi, i configured x with two "screens", one for me and one for myth (on the tv)... but sometimes one on the tv seems to lose focus? and the up/down buttons on the remote don't move the button around... is there a way to fix that?

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mchou:

sunnyhours4130: is this a "limited" item on BF, or are rainchecks available?

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sunnyhours4130:

no idea man

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mchou:

sunnyhours4130: dont really want to camp overnight for stuff like this :)

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sunnyhours4130:

haha

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sunnyhours4130:

me neither. i've never gone after stuff on bf, new experience for me

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mchou:

sunnyhours4130: it's called "freeze yo ass off the night b4"

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sunnyhours4130:

hmm

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mchou:

and maybe they have 3 in the store.....

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sunnyhours4130:

i was planning on hitting some stores before work on friday. maybe i'll just go by and laugh at people from the heated car instead of buying things

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mchou:

sunnyhours4130: there is no need to wait until BF, however

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cureless:

you work this Friday?

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mchou:

buy b4, pricematch BF price

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sunnyhours4130:

yeah, get wednesday off though

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sunnyhours4130:

places do that?

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mchou:

sunnyhours4130: why not?

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mchou:

sunnyhours4130: a sale beats a return

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sunnyhours4130:

true

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sunnyhours4130:

what exactly do you mean by pricematch? I go in there tomorrow and say "I want this TV for the friday price" and they say okay?

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mchou:

you go on BF (when things have died down) and say "I wanna BF sale price"

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sunnyhours4130:

ohhhh

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sunnyhours4130:

but what if they don't have it in stock? they'll get one for me the next week or something?

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mchou:

huh??

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mchou:

you buy it b4 BF at non-sale price

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mchou:

item is in your hands

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sunnyhours4130:

ok

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mchou:

so BF is all a crock anyways

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mchou:

buy b4 BF

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mchou:

no need for camping

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euphobot:

when using data direct, is the 'xmltv' mysql field used to sync myth to zap2it?

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cornell:

Anybody work with xbox, avalaunch, xebian?

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ajturner:

cornell – I've set them up

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cornell:

Cool

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ajturner:

got a q?

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cornell:

I've an xbox, with xecuter chip and avalaunch. I've booted from the xebian live disk and installed. I was expecting to reboot into xebian, but avalaunch came up. I've found E:xebiansomething.xbe and started it and I'm in xebian now.

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cornell:

That was via file manager. How can I add xebian to the avalaunch menu?

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cornell:

I've found a link on the xbox-linux howto about the device names used, for like mounting. But the link's dead.

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ajturner:

just a sec

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ajturner:

I' haven't used Avalaunch before – I use EvoX

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cornell:

Further, when I apt-get, the sources are all, well, not good. Is there a link for a good set of sources for apt-get?

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ajturner:

but looks like there should be a configuration XML that you can add e:xebian to the search path

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cornell:

I've found avalaunch.xml, which I guess is a config file, but how do I edit it?

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ajturner:

FTP to your computer

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ajturner:

well, FTP from your comptuer to the XBox, grab the file, edit, and copy it back

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cornell:

mmm, what's the default userid/password, you know off hand?

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ajturner:

evox is xbox:xbox

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ajturner:

looks like Avalaunch is Default and no password

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cornell:

K, thanks

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cornell:

I was gonna say I can ssh in, now that xebian is up, but I don't know where "C:\" is.

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ajturner:

anyone here up on compiling MythTV? I'm getting a continual annoyance with 0.20

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ajturner:

mythbackend: error while loading shared libraries: libGL.so.1: cannot handle TLS data

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cornell:

Just ssh'd in, the passwords I set last night didn't work, I used the defaults.

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cornell:

The howto says to make changes to fstab. If my change of passwords didn't "last", will the fstab changes?

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kormoc:

the fstab file will only change when you change it

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cornell:

Yes, but when I reboot will the changed fstab be used. (I'm using the image on E: installation)

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kormoc:

yes

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cornell:

Thanks

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kormoc:

or you can just umount /path and then mount /path and your changes will take affect

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cornell:

Any idea how to get the password changes to "stick"?

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kormoc:

don't change the passwords on the server

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cornell:

Leave them the defaults? Isn't that a bit of a security risk?

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kormoc:

cornell, erm, no, just change them on the server and the client and don't change them again, and they'll match up then

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kormoc:

cornell, unless you're saying your client keeps reverting only to defaults?

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cornell:

When I installed xebian last evening, I changed the passwords for root, xebian and live. Today, I had to use the defaults, not the ones I'd set.

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kormoc:

that sounds like the install failed to go right then

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cornell:

Well, it certainly failed to save. Although the change to use dhcp instead of static worked.

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kslater:

ok – nuther multi-backend newbie question – where do slave backends store their recordings?

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GreyFoxx:

kslater: In whatever directory you have configured in mythtv-setup

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GreyFoxx:

If that directory is local or a mounted remote filesystem it is up to you :)

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wireddd:

is there a setting somewhere where I can change the way mythserver changes the names of recorded shows to something less cryptic?

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wireddd:

right now it is like showid_dateSomeNumber.mpg I would prefer it acutally use the name of the show instead

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GreyFoxx:

wireddd: Nope

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GreyFoxx:

but you can run mythrename.pl to rename them

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kslater:

GreyFoxx: got it, s'what I figured, but I couldn't find the file. Backend crashed..

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wireddd:

GreyFoxx, if I run mythrename will I still be able to watch them from within the mythtv interface?

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imperfect-:

im failry certain the script updates the sql nfo

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GreyFoxx:

wireL yup. It udpates the database too

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wireddd:

so I just need to make a cronjob that does that every so often

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kslater:

so any update on the zap2it / mythtv / atsc program guide snafu?

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GreyFoxx:

wireddd: I would imagine thatwould be fine

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wireddd:

so it is basename in the database

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wireddd:

I might just change this is the mythtv code and compile it in myself

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GreyFoxx:

wireddd: basename is the field yeah

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wireddd:

so if I rename the show right after it finishes recording and set the basename, then everything should be cool

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kormoc:

wireddd, there's a script that will symlink the recordings to nice names

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wireddd:

I saw that

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wireddd:

but I would rather have myth use human readable names by default

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wireddd:

since myth doesn't care what the recordings are named

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kormoc:

wireddd, the reason is what heppens when you have two shows that are named the same?

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kormoc:

wireddd, myth's current layout prevents that from happening, but your script might have overlaps

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wireddd:

show.mpg show2.mpg

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wireddd:

very simple

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kormoc:

As long as you keep that in mind, sure

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kormoc:

just saying why they did it that way

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kormoc:

personally, I find house.mpg house1.mpg house2.mpg just as annyoing, but hey, it's your box :)

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wireddd:

kormoc, well I prefer house.mpg house2.mpg over 1071_200610114753000.mpg

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DaSkreech:

How does it get show ID?

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kormoc:

from the data feed, zap2it or xmltv

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wireddd:

it would probably be better if human readable filenames were a configurable option, because clearly there are others that might want to use this

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nuonguy:

I need a little help

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nuonguy:

I think it's a mysql thing

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nuonguy:

it's fall cleaning, I re-did my network, installed FC6 clean on my x86_64 mythtv machine

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DaSkreech:

Why not sqllte?

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nuonguy:

I've got most things worked out except that mythbackend and mythtv-setup can't connect to my/their myql database

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xris:

nuonguy: turn off selinux?

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nuonguy:

I noticed that my mythbox used to be mediapc.myhouse.com and now, by mistake, I made it mediapc.myhouse.NET !

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nuonguy:

duh

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nuonguy:

should I hack the sql or setup that stupid DLink router again

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nuonguy:

and I used the IP address 127.0.0.1 on my setup before

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nuonguy:

I just gave it a static IP and I guess it can't find itself in the database?

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xris:

nuonguy: correct tld is "localdomain"

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xris:

myhouse.localdomain

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xris:

but either way it's up to you

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nuonguy:

neither of those things fixed it

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nuonguy:

I did a mysqldump -u mythtv -pmythtv ....

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nuonguy:

and I did a mysql -u root mythconverg < mythtv_backup.sql

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nuonguy:

is the -u thing important here?

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** nuonguy thinks it probably is but wants to hear different... **

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xris:

only inasmuch that you need write privs

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nuonguy:

who needs write privs?

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xris:

to the database

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xris:

piping a .sql file in to be executed means you need write privs to execute it.

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xris:

assuming that it's a backup and has some create and insert queries in it.

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nuonguy:

I browsed around in the tables – it all seems to be there...

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kormoc:

nuonguy, the -u tells the database which user to log in as

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xris:

nuonguy: -v all

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nuonguy:

xris: you mean mythtv-setup -v all?

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xris:

nuonguy: well, I thought you were having trouble with mythbackend, but sure.

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nuonguy:

I get lots of error messages like 'QSqlQuery::exec: database not open' and ''Unknown MySQL server host 'mediapc.myhouse.net'

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daveyiv:

Is there an easy way to make mythweb accessible from outside my LAN, i have tried all sorts of things and just can't get it to work outside my lan.

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kslater:

what does outside your lan mean?

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daveyiv:

from the internet

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kslater:

ok, another way, what's part of your lan? just the mythbox? a router?

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kormoc:

well, you need to first get a ip address that can be seen from outside, configure any firewalls you have to allow the right traffic though, and then setup apache to listen to the external ip address...

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kormoc:

it's a non-trival question that has a non-trival answer

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kslater:

well said

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daveyiv:

i've got port 80 forwarded in my router

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kslater:

and you have a static external ip address that isn't blocked by your ISP?

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daveyiv:

i've got a dyndns address

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daveyiv:

it resolves to the right ip address

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kslater:

and port 80 isn't blocked by your ISP?

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kslater:

(inbound)

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daveyiv:

don't believe so, i've setup apache before on windows and it worked fine

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kslater:

ok and inside your lan you can hit your mythbox and get the pages as expected.

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daveyiv:

yep

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xanderp:

anyone here have insightbb for cable internet?

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Red_Wolf_2:

hi, anyone here used mythtv with a DiBcom based dvb-usb device? im trying to work out the cause of some errors when i try and scan for channels

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kslater:

daveyiv: what sort of device is your gateway?

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daveyiv:

kslater, its a belkin router

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kslater:

hmm

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daveyiv:

is the port apache listens on in apache2.conf just to make sure it's not port 80 being blocked?

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xanderp:

anyone have opinions as to myth on fc6 yet? I'm wondering if I should upgrade my backend.

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kormoc:

make sure apache isn't just listening to the 192.168.x.x ip

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daveyiv:

how can I make certain of that? is there a command or do i need to edit a file to see?

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kslater:

daveyiv: as root on your mythbox, do "netstat -anp | grep "httpd"

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kslater:

you should see something like -

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kslater:

tcp 0 0 :::80 :::* LISTEN 2443/httpd

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daveyiv:

ok let me go to root and i'll be right back

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nuonguy:

xris, kormoc: you guys interested in what I needed to set up to access my mysql DB?

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daveyiv:

kslater, it doesn't show anything

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daveyiv:

just brings up a new command prompt

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kormoc:

daveyiv, you're not running apache then

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kormoc:

nuonguy, feel free to explain, the channel is logged, so it might help others

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daveyiv:

if i run it it says its already running

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nuonguy:

good idea: it's all about privileges

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kormoc:

it's a stale pid likely

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nuonguy:

I read http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO.html#toc6.2 and did that grant all thing again

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daveyiv:

I did a restart and i still get no response from netstat

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kormoc:

daveyiv, ps ax | grep httpd | grep -v grep show anything?

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kormoc:

daveyiv, or ps ax | grep apache | grep -v grep

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kslater:

if you run netstat -anp | less, do you see any process listening on port 80? If you don't you don't have a webserver on port 80

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daveyiv:

28181 ? Ss 0:00 /usr/sbin/apache2 -k start -DSSL

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kslater:

listening on SSL port 443, maybe?

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kslater:

so it's only reachable by https?

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daveyiv:

i tried connecting to it using https as well

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kormoc:

nah, usually it's both, not just ssl

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kslater:

right, daveyiv, you need to go look at the apache2 logs

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kslater:

it should tell you what's going on in there

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daveyiv:

any one in particular?

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kslater:

the ones with the latest entries and error in the name would be where I'd start

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kslater:

sorry, latest timestamp

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daveyiv:

where does it store it's logs?

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D-side:

hrm. getting nuvexport on edgy...

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kslater:

depends. usually /var/log/apache?

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kslater:

sorry

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kslater:

sorry /var/log/httpd

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kslater:

do ls -lt | head and you'll see the files with the newest changes

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daveyiv:

[Mon Nov 20 00:16:09 2006] [error] [client 192.168.2.11] File does not exist: /var/www/favicon.ico

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daveyiv:

there are a couple errors like that

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kormoc:

touch /var/www/favicon.ico

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kormoc:

that will get rid of those errors

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D-side:

bah!

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daveyiv:

a bunch of alerts and warnings

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D-side:

ffmpeg sucks in edgy.

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kormoc:

likely important...

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daveyiv:

[Mon Nov 20 00:03:41 2006] [notice] Apache/2.0.55 (Ubuntu) PHP/4.4.2–1.1 configured — resuming normal operations

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daveyiv:

stuff like that

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daveyiv:

doesn't look too exciting to me

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kormoc:

heh, that's a notice, not a warning or alert :P

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daveyiv:

[Sun Nov 19 23:59:43 2006] [alert] [client 127.0.0.1] /var/www/mythweb/.htaccess: Missing envariable expression for BrowserMatch

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kormoc:

that's semi important, likely should toss in a mythweb ticket if it's the svn version

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daveyiv:

i commented that variable out i think is the problem

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daveyiv:

it was set to MSIE and it wouldnt let me access it with firefox anymore

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daveyiv:

so thats why i commented it out

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daveyiv:

most of it is notices about apache restarting

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daveyiv:

PHP Warning: mime_magic: type regex BEGIN[[:space:]]*[{] application/x-awk invalid in Unknown on line 0

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kormoc:

daveyiv, that's not what that expression does. it setups something different for ie and ie only...

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daveyiv:

why did it give me internal server error when i tried to access with firefox?

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kormoc:

donno, but it very likely wasn't actually related to that

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daveyiv:

AuthDigestEnableQueryStringHack=On gives me the internal server error

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daveyiv:

tested it again

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kormoc:

unless your firefox says it's ie?

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daveyiv:

no, i was wrong, it wasnt that line that caused it

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daveyiv:

any idea why that authdigest variable gives internal server error?

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wreckage:

i'm getting an error with mythbackend saying that it can't access nfslockfile.lock

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wreckage:

as root...

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wreckage:

any ideas how I can work around this?

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D-side:

pfeh. no luck for me

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D-side:

well thats cute.

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D-side:

mythtranscode segfaults

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RyeBrye:

I'm working on updating mfd from the svn trunk to work with 0.20

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RyeBrye:

I noticed that the makefile is hardcoded to the 0.19 libs even on the head release... so it probably hasn't been touched in a while

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RyeBrye:

If I edit the makefile in the mfd/mfd and replace all the 0.19's with 0.20's I get some errors when it tries to link with libmythui -

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RyeBrye:

They all seem GL related – such as: "undefined reference to `glClearDepth'"

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RyeBrye:

do I need to add a gl library into the linking commands? (and is editing the Makefile itself the place to do it?)

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morten_:

i seem to be having some permission problems after moving /var to a different partition. any way to automatically restore permissions as mythtv needs them to be, or at least see which files are causing problems?

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morten_:

(in short, i was too daft to specify that ownership should be preserved)

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RyeBrye:

if you aren't concerned with security, couldn't you just chmod -R 777 /var ?

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morten_:

that would work, but it's not exactly optimal

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anxt:

RyeBrye: that is insane

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morten_:

as it is, i get the configure app when i start myth

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morten_:

and that's not quite what i want

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xris:

morten_: that usually means mythtv hasn't been configured

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morten_:

xris: i know. but it has. like i said, ownership wasn't preserved when i moved /var

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morten_:

i think i have it narrowed down to a mysql problem, tho

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xris:

morten_: what does that matter? just needs read access

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morten_:

of course it matters

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morten_:

if world doesn't have read access, and the file is suddenly owned by root, the result should be obvious

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xris:

right. but that's an easy enough fix

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xris:

myth installs 755/644 by default, so owned by root shouldn't be a problem

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morten_:

well. it is.

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xris:

yeah, but fixing it is 2 commands.

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xris:

find -type d -print0 | xargs -r0 chmod 755

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xris:

find -type f -print0 | xargs -r0 chmod 644

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morten_:

Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (2)

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morten_:

that's the error i get when i start mythfrontend

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xris:

that generally means a wrong password

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xris:

run with -v all

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morten_:

the password was correct up until the second i moved /var

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morten_:

so, how would the password have been changed by that move?

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morten_:

perhaps the database with the password isn't readable anymore?

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xris:

you could check that pretty easily by looking at mysql's logs

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xris:

though if mysql can't write to its files (which *would* be an issue caused by ownership change), it won't even start

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xris:

chown -R mysql.mysql /var/lib/mysql

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xris:

not hard

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morten_:

hah

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morten_:

you're right

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morten_:

mysql isn't even running

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morten_:

it would have failed due to the ownership trouble

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xris:

yes

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morten_:

there we go. perfect.

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morten_:

thanks

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xris:

use `cp -a` next time. :)

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morten_:

why not cp --preserve?

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xris:

-a should include that

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morten_:

what else does it include?

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xris:

`man cp`

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morten_:

right you are.

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xris:

I do this a lot. heh

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morten_:

yes. that is what i would want.

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morten_:

recursive, doesn't follow links, and preserves stats.

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xris:

rsync is even better since it's aware of hard links, sparse files, etc.

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tracy:

xris, u run HD tuner?

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xris:

tracy: firewire

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morten_:

well, well. there are probably some further ownership troubles about, but things are working

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xris:

so yes and no

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morten_:

so until i run into any bumps in the road, i'm content

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tracy:

no problems with zap2it then...

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xris:

tracy: nope. everything autodetected just fine

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tracy:

i'm just gonna wait it out and hope zap2it changes back

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xris:

what happened?

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Mattwj2005:

hey guys :)

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Mattwj2005:

anyone here?

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Mattwj2005:

I got myth2ipod installed

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Mattwj2005:

:)

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morten_:

hm. would it be possible to feed myth the link to a youtube video, and have it display it fullscreen?

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Mattwj2005:

why would you want to do that?

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morten_:

because it would be cool

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nickkral:

anyone solve the zap2it / datadirect problems?

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nickkral:

I've lost all my channels.

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Mattwj2005:

the MPAA would come knocking at your door :P

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nickkral:

OTA HDTV and zap2it is broken...

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nickkral:

any solutions?

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Mattwj2005:

maybe you need to update your lap2it site

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Mattwj2005:

you have to renew every few months

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RyeBrye:

the whole youtube thing would be possible... but would require adding in a dependency on either flash or gnash and a bunch of work

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RyeBrye:

and unless you were willing to do it yourself, you probably wont be able to convince any of the developers to do it

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Mattwj2005:

morten_ are you taking about actually putting it on youtube?

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nickkral:

I'm having the problem described here: http://bb.labs.zap2it.com/viewtopic.php?t=1052

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Mattwj2005:

or just having a video in a browser link youtube

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RyeBrye:

I think he was talking about it playing the flash video file

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nickkral:

where subchannels of HDTV are broken.

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RyeBrye:

not piping output to youtube

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Mattwj2005:

oh yeah I agree that would be sweet!

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Mattwj2005:

I would love a whole flash mythfrontend in a browser.....but I can't program so I could help with that

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RyeBrye:

Hmmm... a flash frontend would be quite a task I would imagine unless the protocol were rewritten to be more http friendly

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RyeBrye:

afaik flash wouldn't be able to handle the protocol

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RyeBrye:

and most linux devs hate flash because it's closed source, and only releases a flash player for linux every couple of years

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RyeBrye:

(and there is still not x64 flash player from Adobe afaik)

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Mattwj2005:

java?

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Mattwj2005:

they are going open source

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RyeBrye:

A java frontend is more technically possible

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RyeBrye:

because java is a real programming language, whearas flash is a tool to annoy people on the internet

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RyeBrye:

;)

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Mattwj2005:

lol

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Mattwj2005:

actually I have had a few classes in Java in college

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** RyeBrye is kidding... and does do flash work sometimes **

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Mattwj2005:

encapsule everything :P

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Mattwj2005:

I thought Java would be too slow though

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RyeBrye:

Java was slow back in the day

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RyeBrye:

but now that the JVM has gotten faster it's not that noticeable

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RyeBrye:

For web servers, for instance, Java can be used in enterprise class deployments

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RyeBrye:

Lots of desktop apps are java but you just don't know it now

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Mattwj2005:

I just thought for displaying video that would be quite the task for Java to handle speed wise

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RyeBrye:

like Azureus the bit torrent client, or a few others

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RyeBrye:

Oh

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RyeBrye:

good point

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RyeBrye:

I'm guessing it would require java bindings to some kind of video display library

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RyeBrye:

so it wouldn't be full java in that sense

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Mattwj2005:

I was thinking.....

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Mattwj2005:

Java would be a great way to get a frontend on my machines fast....and would work great with Windows :)

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Mattwj2005:

plus it would be wicked cool!

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Mattwj2005:

:)

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morten_:

Mattwj2005: the other way around, dude. playing a youtube file.

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morten_:

can they be loaded in mplayer, for example?

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Mattwj2005:

yeah besides you tube....there are sites like www.dl.tv and www.crankygeeks.com that has flash video too

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bobc:

I'm trying to get mythstreamtv to work. anyone have any idea why vlc would return main input error: no suitable access module for `mythtv://192.168.1.101:6543/1037_20061117200000.mpg'?

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wireddd:

does vlc need some kind of addon to connect to mythtv?

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wireddd:

it would be cool if you could add internet streams as tv channels

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bobc:

I didn't see any mention of anything else in the mythstreamtv README. just ffmpeg and vlc

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wireddd:

bobc, I have never used vlc to connect to a myth server so I don't know

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daveyiv:

Does anyone know why

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daveyiv:

netstat -anp | grep "httpd" doesnt return anything and apache is running? I think it is causing my mythweb not to be accessible outside my lan.

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Mattwj2005:

why do you want to have something accessible outside your lan?

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daveyiv:

I want to be able to access mythweb from the internet

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wireddd:

look through your apache config files

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daveyiv:

I have several times, can't figure out what is wrong

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Mattwj2005:

is your router configured correctly?

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daveyiv:

yes, port is forwarded

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Mattwj2005:

maybe your ISP blocks port 80

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Mattwj2005:

you could try switching it to anything port :)

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Mattwj2005:

*another port

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daveyiv:

i tried a different port too

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daveyiv:

if apache was running properly, wouldnt

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daveyiv:

netstat -anp | grep "httpd", say it was listening on the ports?

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Mattwj2005:

is that a firewall on the server guys?

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jduggan:

Encode lasted: 9h 25m 54s

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jduggan:

for a 1hr10min documentary

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jduggan:

*jesus*

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wireddd:

sounds like you need a faster computer

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jduggan:

its a 2gig 1mb l2cache 1gig ram

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jduggan:

not exactly *slow*

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wireddd:

well what are you endcoding to-from

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wireddd:

daveyiv, netstat -anp | grep httpd wouldn't doesn't return anything for me

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daveyiv:

is your apache working on the internet?

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wireddd:

try netstat -anp | grep :80

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daveyiv:

that returned a mess of crap

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wireddd:

or netstat -anp | grep apache

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daveyiv:

tcp6 0 0 :::80 :::* LISTEN 3351/apache2

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daveyiv:

is that what you get?

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wireddd:

ok so its listening to everything on port 80 then

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wireddd:

does it work from that computer?

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daveyiv:

any idea why it wont let me connect from the internet?

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wireddd:

ie http://127.0.0.1/

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daveyiv:

it does if i use localhost, but not if i use my ip address

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wireddd:

I don't know enough about ipv6 to know exactly what that means

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wireddd:

but it may mean that apache is only listening on localhost

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daveyiv:

yeah i dont know what else to try, i've been working on it for two days, haven't gotten it to see anything externally

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daveyiv:

If i try to connect externally on a different port that it is listening on, it just immediatly says cannot connect to server

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wireddd:

daveyiv, look in /etc/apache2/ports.conf

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daveyiv:

Listen 80 and Listen 9550

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wireddd:

I have "Listen 192.168.1.1:80"

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Mattwj2005:

hey guys I got a question

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daveyiv:

thats your gateway right?

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Mattwj2005:

my ipod videos are transcoded.....but my feed isn't being updated

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daveyiv:

(99): make_sock: could not bind to address 192.168.2.1:9550

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daveyiv:

it gives me that

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wireddd:

hmm

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wireddd:

no

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wireddd:

the ip address needs to be the local ip address of the apache server

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wireddd:

mine just happens to be 192.168.1.1 because it is running on my router and I only want to be abel to get to it from my lan

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wireddd:

you could probably do "Listen *:80"

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daveyiv:

yeah i set it to *:80 and *:9550 but its still saying unable to connect in firefox

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wireddd:

whats the ip address of your computer?

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wireddd:

the one with apache2 on it

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daveyiv:

daveyiv.homeip.net

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wireddd:

no, the lan ip

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wireddd:

192.168.1.XXX

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daveyiv:

oh, 192.168.2.13

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wireddd:

try to connect to that in firefox

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Mattwj2005:

sorry about that...I had to restart

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Mattwj2005:

any idea why my rss feeds are not showing up

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daveyiv:

I get a forbidden, you do not have permission to access / on this server

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Mattwj2005:

also where does myth2ip sorty the video?

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Mattwj2005:

*store

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wireddd:

daveyiv, what distro is this?

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daveyiv:

ubuntu 6.10

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daveyiv:

if i go to http://192.168.2.13/mythweb i can access that

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daveyiv:

but i can't access it outside my lan :

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wireddd:

so what is port 80 on your router forwarded to?

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daveyiv:

192.168.2.13

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wireddd:

192.168.2.13?

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daveyiv:

yes

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wireddd:

are you sure daveyiv.homeip.net resolves to your wan ip address?

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daveyiv:

positive

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wireddd:

and you forwarded tcp on your router?

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daveyiv:

yep

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wireddd:

what does "iptables --list" say

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daveyiv:

Chain INPUT (policy ACCEPT)

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daveyiv:

target prot opt source destination

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daveyiv:

same for chain FORWARD and chain OUTPUT

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wireddd:

ok

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wireddd:

no idea then

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daveyiv:

it certainly has me stumped

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wireddd:

your isp is blocking port 80

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Mattwj2005:

you guys any idea about myth2ipod?

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wireddd:

port 9550 works

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daveyiv:

yeah im using port 9550

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daveyiv:

it works for you?

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wireddd:

yeah

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daveyiv:

what does it show you?

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wireddd:

well I am looking at your mythweb right now

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daveyiv:

lol what the hell, why doesn't it work for me

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wireddd:

you should probably put a password on that

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daveyiv:

yeah i will

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wireddd:

this works for me... http://daveyiv.homeip.net:9550/mythweb

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daveyiv:

cool, thanks

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daveyiv:

says unable to connect for me for some reason

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Mattwj2005:

it looks good

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Mattwj2005:

I had no problem connecting

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daveyiv:

sweet

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olds:

because it's your own router's ip

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olds:

I had this exact same problem

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daveyiv:

i can't connect to my own routers ip?

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olds:

not the external side

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daveyiv:

interesting

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Mattwj2005:

looks like 36 degrees right now :)

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Mattwj2005:

at your place!

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daveyiv:

haha indeed, its cold

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olds:

must be on the east coast

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olds:

ahh yes

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daveyiv:

yeah, west virginia

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olds:

WV

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olds:

yup

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olds:

man its humid there

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daveyiv:

very, it sucks lol

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olds:

42% humidity here

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rothga1:

tracy you in here tonight?

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lotia:

folks, what sort of CPU usage should I see on a P4 3.2 Ghz machine playing back 1080i content without any deinterlacing?

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olds:

XVMC or not?

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lotia:

no XVMC if i can avoid it. all my capture cards are hardware encoding, so little CPU load by them, but this box is a combined backend/frontend machine.

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olds:

why would you want to avoid it?

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lotia:

want colored menus and PIP

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lotia:

i've also been told on this channel that if i can get away with it, its better not to use it.

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rothga1:

do you notice a performance bump?

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rothga1:

I was reading the wiki and it said you may get more of a performance with more ram than xvmc

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olds:

colored menus have nothing to do with xvmc

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lotia:

olds: i was told that the OSD is black and white when XvMC is being used and PIP is not possible.

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olds:

lol

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olds:

not true at all

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wireddd:

how much ram does this box have?

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lotia:

wireddd: 2GB

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lotia:

olds: so PIP works with XvMC

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olds:

I don't know

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olds:

the black and white part is not true at all

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olds:

Picture in Picture, or PiP, doesn't work with XvMC.

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olds:

so that part is right

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lotia:

olds: the Wiki entry on XvMC points out some of the limitations with XvMC. http://mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/XvMC

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olds:

yea it does

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olds:

black and white is not one of them

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olds:

a lot of that stuff is outdated

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kleptophobiac2:

anybody know if there's a mirror for the latest mythstreamtv version (.99 I think)?

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lotia:

is it safe to say that HD takes 10xSD cpu?

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lotia:

for playback>'

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kleptophobiac2:

that's unfair, since SD can be in any number of different formats

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kleptophobiac2:

ie, MPEG2 which most video cards can play back in hardware accelerated mode

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kleptophobiac2:

however

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kleptophobiac2:

you'll want a pretty zippy computer for HD, Athlon 64 2800 or better, or P4 3.0 or better, or one of the shiny new Core2's

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lotia:

kleptophobiac2: its mpeg2 on my machine since i have pvr-500 cards

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kleptophobiac2:

ok

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kleptophobiac2:

what kind of CPU are you running – that's the more important question

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lotia:

kleptophobiac2: have a p4 3.2

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lotia:

kleptophobiac2: 2GB ram

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kleptophobiac2:

you should be able to do it, provided you have fairly modern display hardware (I assume this is the frontend)

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lotia:

frontend+backend machine. does "display hardware" == video card?

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kleptophobiac2:

yes

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kleptophobiac2:

integrated frontend + backend is going to have a harder time of it

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lotia:

geforce 6600

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kleptophobiac2:

and that's modern enough

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lotia:

kleptophobiac2: so i will have to use XvMC then?

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kleptophobiac2:

most people find that xvmc is a big help when it works

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lotia:

kleptophobiac2: i like PiP and have multiple tuners. i'm concerned about what will happen when commercial detection kicks in.

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kleptophobiac2:

HD PiP sounds like a bad idea

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lotia:

will i have to go core2duo?

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kleptophobiac2:

on an integrated backend + frontend machine, that'll certainly be a help

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kleptophobiac2:

i don't know how much that'll help on a frontend since I don't think mythfe is multithreaded

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lotia:

darn.

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lotia:

backend load is minimal apart from for disk I/O since all my cards do HW encoding. however i will have a boatload of cards

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kleptophobiac2:

and HD commflag is tough

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kleptophobiac2:

and two way IO is a bitch

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lotia:

eventually 2 hdhomeruns and currently have 2 pvr-500s

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nuonguy:

I just upgraded my mythtv setup from FC4 i386 to FC6 x86_64 and now I have problems

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nuonguy:

The recording is very flickery

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nuonguy:

and I get a bunch selinux complaints in /var/log/messages

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nuonguy:

http://rafb.net/paste/results/3wla3v72.html

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kleptophobiac2:

i've never used selinux, and I don't see why mythtv needs a secure system to run on

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nuonguy:

kleptophobiac2: I've set selinux to permissive, but I guess it still issues error messages

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nuonguy:

and I'm not even that concerned about that, but the flickery messy video is unbearable

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Red_Tide:

are people working on mythtv for ps3?

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quicksilver:

there's "nothing to be done", for mythtv

[10:06:48]

quicksilver:

if you can get video and network drivers working, mythtv will work

[10:07:15]

k84:

Hi!, got one question: Does mythmusic plugin support mouse, my plan is to use it with a touchscreen.

[10:08:39]

Dagmar:

No one touches their TV

[10:08:43]

k84:

hehe

[10:08:46]

k84:

in-car system

[10:08:49]

Dagmar:

Use Amarok or Rhythmbox

[10:09:09]

Dagmar:

MythTV != in-car system

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k84:

hehehe :-)

[10:09:28]

k84:

so no mouse support in that plugin,

[10:09:45]

Dagmar:

Input doesn't work that way to begin with.

[10:10:26]

k84:

ok "Forget i ever mentioned touchscreen" mouse is everything i care about, but it's the same config i'd guess.

[10:10:53]

k84:

I can browse and setup mythtv using mouse clicks, but when i enter the mythtvplugin specific "windows" i can't "click" on anything

[10:11:12]

Dagmar:

That's a shame. It wasn't designed to be used for that.

[10:11:23]

Dagmar:

It's a bad fit for it.

[10:11:29]

Dagmar:

It will always be a bad fit for it.

[10:11:36]

k84:

ok

[10:11:44]

Dagmar:

Use something that was meant to be used with a mouse, like Rhythmbox or Amarok

[10:12:10]

k84:

Dont have either kde or gnome in my car :)

[10:12:19]

Dagmar:

That's your problem.

[10:12:33]

k84:

sure is :-)

[10:12:56]

Red_Tide:

mpd?

[10:13:00]

k84:

but mythtv would've been the best soloution.

[10:13:09]

Dagmar:

No, it wouldn't.

[10:13:16]

qu0zl:

k84, amarok doesn't need a full kde stack, just the libs

[10:13:48]

qu0zl:

mythmusic is probably mythtv's weakest feature currently. if you don't want the video support then you're better off with something else

[10:14:06]

k84:

i want the video & the tv support

[10:14:23]

k84:

so mythtv would've been perfect if only i could get the mouse support to work, thought that was introduced in 0.20

[10:14:48]

Dagmar:

"I want" "I want" "I want"

[10:14:57]

Dagmar:

If you want it, learn C and fix it.

[10:15:10]

Red_Tide:

could you use music player daemon?

[10:15:20]

Dagmar:

Or perhaps, drive your car instead of begging to rear end someone

[10:15:44]

k84:

Red_Tide, hehe idea was not to use a keyboard at all, only the touchscreen interface, so i need something that supports big fat fingers :)

[10:15:45]

Dagmar:

MythTV isn't useful for a CAR because it's designed to sit around and be ready to record at all times

[10:15:52]

Dagmar:

MPlayer can play videos fine.

[10:15:56]

Dagmar:

TVTime can watch TV in realtime.

[10:16:28]

k84:

Dagmar, it has atleast been usefull to this guy: https://www.timekiller.org/carpc/index.php

[10:16:41]

Dagmar:

k84: Imagine that. Morons with web pages.

[10:16:55]

quicksilver:

I think you're being unnecessarily negative Dagmar

[10:16:57]

k84:

you dont even know the guy, damn your filled with hate!

[10:17:15]

Dagmar:

The fact that the guy is using Apache-SSL when the information isn't needing encryption to begin with should show you that possibly the guy is missing a few cams upstairs

[10:17:23]

quicksilver:

one of the interesting side-effects of free software is that people sometimes find it useful in ways the author's didn't expect

[10:17:29]

Dagmar:

quicksilver: I think I know a path of self-abuse and pain when I see it

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Dagmar:

MythTV is a bad fit for a car multimedia player.

[10:18:03]

Dagmar:

It incurs a *lot* of extra overhead that isn't needed.

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quicksilver:

it may possibly be the best that is around, though

[10:18:23]

quicksilver:

did your read that webpage?

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quicksilver:

the guy has done some pretty cool stuff with it

[10:18:32]

Dagmar:

You can scribble something up with Zenity that can spawn MPlayer and Amarok and all that stuff a lot quicker than you could adapt MythTV to the task

[10:18:33]

k84:

overhead, as in processor cycles? if you care about my cycles that's not a problem on my setup

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Dagmar:

quicksilver: Yeah, I did. I also *have* a mostly-working car mp3 player

[10:19:13]

Dagmar:

My only problem is heat dissipation, or I'd be a lot happier with it.

[10:19:25]

Dagmar:

...and I'm telling you that MythTV is a *bad* fit for this.

[10:19:47]

Dagmar:

It only looks like a good fit to people too lazy to even attempt to piece together software packages _better suited_ to the task

[10:19:56]

quicksilver:

I know why you're saying that

[10:20:08]

Dagmar:

Because I know what I'm doing.

[10:20:14]

quicksilver:

but there is the possibility that it's a bad fit for your needs and a better fit for other people's

[10:20:36]

quicksilver:

conversely the things which seem like the perfect solution to you may be a poor solution to other people

[10:20:36]

Dagmar:

People whose cars sit in the garage and have a coax cable running in the window, maybe

[10:21:28]

Dagmar:

quicksilver: BIG effing hint... the mouse support has been mostly neglected or ignored from MythTV, which makes it generally unsuitable for use with a touchscreen.

[10:21:32]

Dagmar:

What have you got to say to that?

[10:21:38]

Dagmar:

I'm not working with "theory" here.

[10:21:46]

quicksilver:

I say, someone could fix that mouse support if they wanted to

[10:21:51]

Dagmar:

I'm working with specific facts and design criteria

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Dagmar:

It makes anything that still works with mice/touchscreens a better fit.

[10:22:58]

Dagmar:

You don't need a MySQL server to run Amarok or Rhythmbox, either.

[10:23:40]

Dagmar:

You don't need a dedicated daemon process to monitor recordings that you don't need to make, either.

[10:26:08]

Dagmar:

Lots of things are _possible_.

[10:26:18]

Dagmar:

That doesn't mean they're not also _stupid_.

[10:26:39]

Dagmar:

You can put a propane grill in a Yugo if you try really hard.

[10:26:53]

Dagmar:

That won't stop the first traffic accident you have from leaving a big crater.

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Dagmar:

Smart people desperate for heated food would check the wattage of the cigarette lighter jack, maybe replace some wires with thicker ones, connect up a 110V converter, and use a microwave oven

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Dagmar:

As to the "mostly" above... it's because it's Tennessee. Weather here is a freaking nightmare, and if heat doesn't get the hardware, sudden changes to *cold* will. In the last week here it's been waffling between 77 and 30 degrees.

[10:47:19]

Dagmar:

I *think* I have the humidity problem licked with the addition of about a dozen bags of sodium silica gel taped to the inside of it's enclosure

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wireddd:

what are you talking about?

[10:50:11]

wireddd:

car pc?

[10:51:16]

Dagmar:

Yeah

[10:51:53]

Dagmar:

Not exactly on-topic, but I didn't want people to get the idea I wasn't able to make one go after I mentioned it being "mostly" working earlier

[10:52:34]

Dagmar:

Somewhere like this, at least I knew up front I was going to have to put the HD in something airtight or *frost* would get it before January was through

[10:53:02]

weevil:

figures

[10:53:13]

weevil:

take it as read infact

[10:53:50]

** Dagmar looks quizzical. **

[10:53:55]

Dagmar:

I don't recognize that idiom

[10:54:19]

wireddd:

I put an xbox with xbmc on it in my car

[10:54:29]

wireddd:

works pretty good

[10:54:40]

Dagmar:

heh. Taking the easy way out

[10:54:40]

k84:

Dagmar, if you are smart enough to trash a LOAD of shit at me, you should be smart enough to know that if you put a HD in in your situation it'll be a matter of times before it breaks :-) i'm only using CF & usb storage because of low temp issue, not that humid, but temp might get below 0Celsius every once in a while :)

[10:54:59]

Dagmar:

k84: It's only a "LOAD of shit" because you don't want to hear it.

[10:55:03]

Dagmar:

Get over it..

[10:55:22]

Dagmar:

Just because you don't like it doesn't mean I'm being a bastard or even rude.

[10:55:45]

k84:

Np, i get it :-) – Your are just beeing "You"

[10:55:55]

Dagmar:

Yeah, someone who knows what the hell they're talking about.

[10:56:01]

Dagmar:

It's a terrible burden to have a working brain.

[10:56:04]

k84:

i didnt say that.

[10:56:14]

Dagmar:

No, you're just being a whiny n00b

[10:56:19]

Dagmar:

*Now* I'm being a bastard.

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wireddd:

hah

[10:56:32]

Dagmar:

Hopefully you can tell the difference now that there's some contrast.

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Hoxzer:

...

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Dagmar:

Seriously man. Ya can't throw anything super-powerful into a car because just trying to cool it becomes a major undertaking, so you're kinda limited to 1.7Ghz and below already

[10:58:08]

Hoxzer:

-> sleepp

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Dagmar:

Don't engage in self-abuse by adding in the requirement of extra daemons that don't do anything useful, just so you can communicate with a MySQL server you don't *need*

[10:58:34]

Zider:

Dagmar: even a C7 1.7GHz?

[10:59:05]

Dagmar:

Zider: I avoid VIA chips when I can help it. That company likes to scrimp on CPU flags (*eyeroll*).

[10:59:23]

Zider:

Dagmar: "scrimp"?

[10:59:49]

Dagmar:

Zider: My dev box is actually up... Lemme look up something real fast to give a specific exmaple

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wireddd:

I will never buy another via anything after the last motherboard I had with a via chipset

[11:00:29]

Dagmar:

okay. Here's a big one. THe cmov instruction is technically an _optional_ thing for i686 compatibility

[11:00:54]

Dagmar:

So, it being "optional", even though everyone else making i686-class chips put that code into theirs, VIA decides to leave it out

[11:01:25]

Dagmar:

As a result, binaries built for i686 using i686 instructions will just go *b3Wm* when you try to run them on a VIA

[11:02:12]

Zider:

is cmov something that is used a lot?

[11:02:15]

Dagmar:

Not everything winds up with that instruction in them, but enough multimedia stuff does that we had to put a hook into the Dropline installer to make the lack of the cmov flag effectively grounds for it to refuse to install.

[11:03:26]

Dagmar:

They're not "entirely" i686, which is annoying, because while the compiler doesn't do anything much special for i686 over i586, the more correct approach is to go ahead and tell the compiler what it is you really want, and hope it catches up as time goes on

[11:04:30]

Zider:

but if you compile it yourself it should be OK, right?

[11:05:18]

Dagmar:

If you compile with -march=i686 on a VIA C* chip, even doing it yourself, you can get binaries that won't work.

[11:05:28]

Dagmar:

They just croak when they hit the instruction they don't recognize

[11:06:03]

Zider:

I mean using -mcpu or -march

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Zider:

hm, from what I can tell, C7 has cmov but C3 doesn't

[11:06:37]

Dagmar:

I don't know if gcc will step around that instruction if you're specific about -mcpu or not

[11:06:53]

Dagmar:

Yeah, I gave up trying to figure out which ones do and don't.

[11:07:07]

Zider:

cpu0: FPU,V86,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,PAE,MCE,CX8,APIC,SEP,MTRR,PGE,CMOV,PAT,CFLUSH,ACPI,MMX,FX SR,SSE,SSE2,TM,SBF,SSE3,EST,TM2

[11:07:26]

Dagmar:

Users aren't the best for reporting them, some of those people were Chinese to begin with, and basically it just became easier to write a shell function that scans /proc/cpuinfo because it's always correct

[11:07:43]

Dagmar:

It wasn't the VIA CPU that was the problem so much as it was lack of that instruction

[11:09:16]

Zider:

recent c3s has cmov too it seems

[11:10:19]

Dagmar:

Good

[11:10:31]

Dagmar:

That would explain the drop in people complaining that the installer told them to go away

[11:10:44]

Zider:

;)

[11:11:10]

Zider:

using -march=c3 fixes it too

[11:11:29]

Dagmar:

I'd really rather not gimp *everyone's* binaries, just to solve the problem of four people

[11:11:56]

wombo:

could someone please help me with my Mythweb install?

[11:12:12]

Dagmar:

wombo: What problem are you having?

[11:12:22]

wombo:

I am gettin the Access Denied error

[11:12:25]

Zider:

well, as long as you compile it yourself you should be safe then :)

[11:12:38]

wombo:

you have failed to configure mythweb's db etc

[11:12:59]

Dagmar:

wombo: did you read the instructions that came with it?

[11:13:11]

wombo:

I have browsed the and looked at what other people have said and nothing seems to fix it

[11:13:16]

wombo:

yeah I have

[11:13:45]

wombo:

I compared the password in mysql.txt and the .htaccess file and they where different

[11:14:28]

Dagmar:

Yes, because neither are stored in plaintext.

[11:14:31]

wombo:

so I have changed the .htaccess file to suit the mysql.txt file, then tested it but the problem is still there. Do I have to restart apache to file the problem

[11:14:40]

Dagmar:

Nope

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wombo:

BTW im running Edgy with myth .20

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wombo:

What should I try to have a look at?

[11:17:39]

weevil:

knoppmyth

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Dagmar:

heh

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wombo:

Do I need to reset any passwords or anything?

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weevil:

oh yeah bunty does some weird password randomising crap

[11:19:56]

jduggan:

mornink all

[11:20:07]

weevil:

sounds like a little girls' mag dunnit

[11:20:07]

Dagmar:

weevil: Yeah, but that's just when it sets up the DB. It's not like it changes daily or something

[11:20:16]

weevil:

you sure? ;)

[11:20:21]

Dagmar:

Pretty sure

[11:20:33]

weevil:

the latter would be much more fun

[11:20:41]

wombo:

So if I reset the ubuntu mythtv password to say mythtv do I have to do anything else?

[11:21:08]

weevil:

what do the docs say?

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wombo:

I cant remember ive been reading that many different web sites the last week about how they suggest it should be setup to try to find out what to do. Now im just stumpt which brought me here

[11:22:29]

Dagmar:

Dude, just look for the README that comes with it

[11:23:06]

Dagmar:

There's really, honestly, one chmod you have to do on the data directory, and two edits to make to the .htaccess file. You *might* have to modify your main httpd.conf, and xris explains that as well in the README

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wombo:

k, I will have another look

[11:26:16]

jduggan:

anybody here ever used avimerge?

[11:29:08]

Dagmar:

I'll stick with peach schnapps, thanks.

[11:30:12]

jduggan:

i have two parts to an avi file.. everytime i merge them the audio goes out of sync (its in sync fine before they're merged) and its only on these two files

[11:30:37]

jduggan:

other avi's that ive merged are fine

[11:33:42]

k84:

Zider, yes recent has cmov, e.g nehemiah has.

[11:33:58]

Zider:

k84: didn't I just say that? ;)

[11:34:21]

cesman:

jduggan: check the mythtv archive

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k84:

"it seems"

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k84:

:)

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Zider:

I wonder why they stripped cmov in the first place

[11:34:33]

k84:

i just confirmed it :)

[11:34:38]

cesman:

tere was a discussion about merging avis a few days ago

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Dagmar:

Zier: It takes time and money to design circuits. They took the "optional" nautre of cmov at face value without realizing the effect it might have on people using/sdesigning processor-intensive software

[11:43:06]

Dagmar:

It happens.

[11:43:42]

Dagmar:

jduggan: Perhaps you need to convert the audio to a fixed-rate WAV file first

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Zider:

ah, cheap bastards ;)

[11:43:58]

jduggan:

Dagmar: using which program?

[11:44:00]

Dagmar:

I've had very bad luck with binding audio streams using VBR

[11:44:13]

Dagmar:

jduggan: Heck, even mpg123 can convert files to WAV

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k84:

Dagmar, How is your setup, any screenshots?

[11:44:39]

jduggan:

Dagmar: so i have to strip out the audio first?

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Zider:

ah well, c7 has it, and that's all that matters ;)

[11:44:58]

Dagmar:

"lossy" mp3 may be, until you get below 128kbps you don't actually lose enough detail for most people to care

[11:45:22]

k84:

hmm, i could still use mythtv with a onscreeen keyboard :)

[11:45:35]

k84:

(Not going for that soloution:-)

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Dagmar:

jduggan: I don't know that you _have_ to, per se, but every time I've had a problem with audio synch, splitting the streams apart and making damn sure the two resulting (audio and video) streams are the exact same length before I re-bind them together has fixed i

[11:45:55]

Dagmar:

t

[11:46:22]

Dagmar:

A few times i've foudn that the audio was just plain cooked when it was originally encoded.

[11:46:26]

Dagmar:

That's *always* fun to fix.

[11:46:57]

Dagmar:

There's nothing like trying to use Cinellerra to tweak an audio stream to stay in step to make you want to be really picky about how you encode your own stuff.

[11:49:04]

weevil:

usually less time consuming to actually go & buy the damn dvd

[11:49:19]

Dagmar:

Generally I do just that

[11:49:27]

Dagmar:

Or rent

[11:49:48]

Dagmar:

When I can rent something for $2.50, it doesn't make sense to spend even a few minutes trying to set up a download

[11:50:11]

Dagmar:

I've also been reasonably pleased with Vongo, but I wish I could more easily get the damn thing to play under Linux

[11:50:40]

weevil:

Vongo? Is it like a new distro?

[11:50:43]

Dagmar:

The only way I can do it now makes it just easier to play the movies in Windows and leave it at that

[11:50:58]

Dagmar:

No, it's like NetFlix, except that they have a client you use to just download the movies instead of having them mailed to you

[11:51:18]

weevil:

sounds er.. nice

[11:51:32]

Dagmar:

A plugin for that with MythTV would be a *powerful* value-add, but I don't see it happening.

[11:51:56]

weevil:

hm. open source their nasty drm stuff. don't reckon thats goona happen

[11:52:00]

Dagmar:

It would definitely be faster than using the USPS-transport layer NetFlix is saddled with

[11:52:49]

weevil:

you know why theres no linux client for it though

[11:52:55]

Dagmar:

Yep.

[11:53:06]

Dagmar:

We've got no easy way to protect their IP.

[11:53:52]

Dagmar:

It's not exactly impossible to circumvent their protections, but it's just not worth the bother.

[11:54:01]

Dagmar:

They're pretty inexpensive.

[11:54:29]

Dagmar:

But the moment it became easy for morons to do it, you just know some nutjob would set up an automated torrent request system

[11:56:34]

wireddd:

i await the death of drm

[11:56:48]

Merlin83b:

You'll be waiting a long time.

[11:56:51]

Dagmar:

I would rather await the rebirth of decent behaviour online.

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wireddd:

i don't think it will take so long

[11:57:23]

Dagmar:

I miss the days when piracy was restricted to people with skill, because most of them tend to have a little sense about it

[11:57:45]

wireddd:

those were the days, the speeds were much better as well

[11:58:04]

Merlin83b:

wireddd: With DRM bulit into the popular stuff (WMP, iTunes) it ain't going away any time soon.

[11:58:12]

weevil:

r.i.p. audiogalaxy :(

[11:58:20]

Dagmar:

Yeah, now *that* was a loss

[11:58:32]

weevil:

if anything drm is only ever gonan get worse

[11:58:39]

Dagmar:

The music industry really should have just gotten behind AudioGalaxy and started putting tracking metrics in it

[11:58:44]

Dagmar:

They could have made some serious money there.

[11:59:17]

Dagmar:

I would have likely spent quite a bit of loot on the things AudioGalaxy turned up for me

[11:59:25]

weevil:

they have got the chance with the new hd dvd stuff but no. they HAD to make a rival format. fucktards

[12:00:09]

Dagmar:

Usually what happened instead was that I'd hear something new, try to remember who it was, then let the stuff expire and curse that I didn't write it down so I could buy it later

[12:00:34]

Dagmar:

AudioGalaxy was how I found out about Infected Mushroom and a bunch of stuff

[12:00:56]

wireddd:

Merlin83b, there must be two large drm systems in use by the masses that do not work together, thats when it will fail

[12:01:13]

wombo:

Guys ive just been having another look through it all, with the readme straight from the svn and I still cant seem to get it all up and running, could you please help me?

[12:01:18]

Dagmar:

I suspect their main interest in eliminating AudioGalaxy was basically just because of that... the ability for smaller publishers and new faces to enter the attention-sphere, so to speak

[12:01:23]

weevil:

wireddd: there's my dvd analogy again

[12:01:28]

weevil:

ONE will fail

[12:01:31]

weevil:

not both

[12:01:41]

Dagmar:

wombo: Okay, so what are you pasting into the .htaccess file

[12:01:45]

Dagmar:

What, specifically.

[12:01:48]

Merlin83b:

wireddd: Two large systems like iTune and WMP?

[12:02:12]

wireddd:

two large systems like itunes and well we need someone else

[12:02:35]

wombo:

I have set my .htacces back to a totally stock setup. so USername=mythtv Password=mythtv

[12:02:37]

Merlin83b:

Zune and MS will get big enough to count.

[12:03:00]

wireddd:

itunes doesn't need to be compatible with anything else because it has so much market share at this point

[12:03:06]

Merlin83b:

Indeed.

[12:03:25]

Dagmar:

wombo: OKay, and is that the username and password that MythTV is using to access the database?

[12:04:05]

Dagmar:

Merlin83b: I don't like that the Zune is even considered a part of the market

[12:04:13]

Dagmar:

I am not a big fan of the stunt Universal pulled

[12:04:13]

Speedy2:

Merlin83b: Yo

[12:04:24]

Merlin83b:

Hi Speedy2

[12:04:38]

Merlin83b:

Dagmar: Do you think it will fail?

[12:04:46]

wombo:

I think it is, normally I am using a user called htpc to do everything. Is there someway I can check it?

[12:05:09]

Dagmar:

Merlin83b: I think it might take them years to completely screw it up, like it took them years to fuck up MongoMusic after they bought it and made it into MSN Music, but while it's around it's a *bad* precedent to set

[12:05:20]

wombo:

The password in mysql.txt is by the looks of it a random string.

[12:05:45]

Dagmar:

Merlin83b: Microsoft *capitulated* with Universal's claim that everyone using a portable music device does so for reasons of piracy, hence there is basically a "Universal tax" on each Zune sold

[12:06:07]

Dagmar:

wombo: You look at the mythtv.txt file, and it shows what username and password are used to talk to the Db

[12:06:09]

Merlin83b:

There is, but that isn't going to stop people buying them.

[12:06:22]

Dagmar:

Merlin83b: That it doesn't work with Vista will definitely chill them

[12:06:40]

Merlin83b:

Zune doesn't work with Vista?!?

[12:07:12]

Dagmar:

If someone's going to sell me music, they should damn well sell me music and be done with it... not take my money by force majeure and litigation and THEN make me pay more still for it

[12:07:35]

Dagmar:

Merlin83b: That's the word on the street. I imagine they'll fix it shortly, but at the moment Zune is basically compatible with Zune and Xp and that's about it

[12:07:51]

Merlin83b:

It'll be done before Vista launch.

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Merlin83b:

2 major products for MS, no way will they fail to work together.

[12:08:20]

Dagmar:

Allowing companies to charge for both ends of things (the user buying music, and the user *listening* to what they bought) is a very, very bad precedent to tolerate

[12:08:50]

Dagmar:

This is how we've gotten to the place we are now with DVDs and having no legal DVD player in Linux save what SuSE/Novell have finally wrangled.

[12:09:38]

Merlin83b:

It is, but the public doesn't see it that way. They see that they buy the music and play it on their Zune.

[12:10:33]

wireddd:

There is another quick way that drm could die, someone like google could buy the rights to a bunch of media(music, movies whatever) and start selling downloads and a client that will allow you to transcode it for free to work on anything ipod, zune, phone etc. google gets a huge profit boost from appealing to the entire market instead of the segmented market we have now. shareholders would immediately start asking their respe

[12:10:34]

wireddd:

ctive compaines why aren't you making money off of this...

[12:11:03]

Dagmar:

I don't think so

[12:11:09]

Dagmar:

It woudl play out like it has every time so far.

[12:11:14]

weevil:

zoiks. "man in furry coat (!) smashes a PS3 outside a Worst Buy" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4CTy7Nx0oPI&eurl=

[12:11:53]

Dagmar:

Every company *not* making money off it would fire up the lawyers and tear their new competitor to shreds with legal claims that it not only facilitates and encourages piracy, but sodomizes kittens as well

[12:12:26]

Dagmar:

weevil: He's a shill. Ignore him

[12:12:35]

wireddd:

that is why they need to own the copyrights

[12:12:45]

Dagmar:

weevil: You'd think that it was just to be rebellious, but no. They actually bought *two* and they're selling the other one on eBay

[12:13:08]

imperfect-:

smashmyps3.com is so last week.

[12:13:08]

imperfect-:

;)

[12:13:11]

wireddd:

they should sell the busted one too

[12:13:29]

Dagmar:

wireddd: Companies don't let go of copyrights. They generally licence them and try their best to hang onto them forever--even to the point of lobbying to have the copyrights _extended_ beyond the intent of the law

[12:13:54]

wireddd:

to get the copyrights you would have to buy the company

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imperfect-:

Welcome to #CopyrightLaw-users the most happenin' place on the INTERWEB

[12:14:22]

Red_Tide:

isn't that what happened with mickey mouse?

[12:14:26]

Dagmar:

wombo: talk in channel. My client filters all privmsgs in this channel to say "[wombo] *mumble*"

[12:14:35]

Dagmar:

Red_Tide: Yep

[12:14:40]

wombo:

k

[12:15:03]

weevil:

how can I make a script to yell RTFM on someone posting a question?

[12:15:25]

wireddd:

which client...

[12:15:37]

Dagmar:

on_event * *? do privmsg $1 RTFM YOU NOOB

[12:15:38]

Dagmar:

I think

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wireddd:

hey weevil, RTFM

[12:15:59]

Dagmar:

oof forgot to escape the ?

[12:15:59]

wombo:

I cant seem to find a file called mythtv.txt, I have done a system wide search and it comes up blank. But I do have a mysql.txt file which contains a username and password?

[12:16:17]

** imperfect- silently sips from his empty and stylish RTFM coffee mug. **

[12:16:19]

Dagmar:

wombo: You definitely do have such a file. it's how the frontend finds out where to talk to the backend

[12:16:26]

Dagmar:

wombo: it's generated by mythtv-setup

[12:16:43]

Dagmar:

...and what kind of "system-wide search" did you do?

[12:17:02]

wombo:

I typed in this sudo find / -name 'mythtv.txt'

[12:17:33]

Dagmar:

wombo: Somethings hosed then. It should be in ~/.mythtv/ of the user you ran mythtv-setup as

[12:17:51]

Dagmar:

It'll be pretty much the only file in there unless someone's made a plugin that stick stuff there now

[12:18:08]

wombo:

I will have a another look

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imperfect-:

uhm.

[12:18:30]

imperfect-:

mysql.txt != mythtv.txt

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weevil:

wombo: try /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt

[12:18:56]

imperfect-:

He's talking about not being able to find mythtv.txt.

[12:19:00]

imperfect-:

You did see this, no?

[12:19:04]

wombo:

yep thats where it is weevil

[12:19:06]

Dagmar:

OH!

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Dagmar:

lol

[12:19:18]

Dagmar:

wombo: It helps if you tell find the *right filename* to look for

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imperfect-:

Dagmar: ;)

[12:19:29]

wombo:

yeah I have mysql.txt

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Dagmar:

Good catch, imperfect

[12:19:38]

wombo:

and it has both the username and password

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imperfect-:

wombo: mysql.txt is what you're supposed to have.

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imperfect-:

wombo: you're good.

[12:20:08]

weevil:

thats why you couldn't find the file. which you'd have known if the file location was like documented anywhere

[12:20:21]

wombo:

ok so I copy the PS from there and slap it in .htaccess

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Red_Wolf_2:

hey, any of you have a dibcom based usb box?

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Dagmar:

weevil: Actually it uses a search path to find it

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wombo:

I hate that, it bloody worked

[12:23:12]

wombo:

I had tried that earlier and it still didnt work

[12:23:21]

Dagmar:

There's a number of places mysql.txt can be, a few of which even make sense

[12:23:33]

wombo:

But as always as soon as I ask someone it seems to work

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Dagmar:

wombo: So long as you give it a good try first, no one's going to fault you

[12:23:54]

wombo:

oh well, thanks guys for all your help, and me confusing you all

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Dagmar:

I'm widely recognized as being a right bastard and I have no problem helping people that I can see are trying.

[12:24:15]

weevil:

you sure you're a mythtv user? you said thanks

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imperfect-:

weevil: ARe you off your meds? What's the deal?

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wombo:

yeah nah thats fair dagmar, I hate it too at work when people basically asked you to fix something for them when they havent even given it a go.

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Red_Wolf_2:

hmm, nobody?

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Dagmar:

I dont' have a problem with the lazy so much as I have a problem with that they don't realize that if they did put a bit of effort into it, they'd solve their own problem, and most importantly that the *next* time they have to do it it only gets easier

[12:31:12]

wombo:

yeah

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wombo:

this mythweb is pretty cool

[12:31:28]

wombo:

very very good

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Inkubot:

someone have problems with mythweather ?

[12:33:51]

Inkubot:

i really don't know why is showing wrong info

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wombo:

Where in the world are you?

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Inkubot:

Santiago, Chile

[12:35:27]

Inkubot:

http://weather.msn.com/local.aspx?wealocations=wc:CIXX0020

[12:35:37]

wombo:

I know in aus you dont just put in the postcode, you have to put in some other location

[12:35:45]

wombo:

yeah looks like you have done that.

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Inkubot:

aaaja

[12:36:03]

Inkubot:

and how you find your postcode ?

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wombo:

I think the number you need to use is CIXX0020, is that right guys?

[12:37:22]

Inkubot:

i'm using that number

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Inkubot:

CIXX0020

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wombo:

yeah sorry I cant help much more than that as I havent installed it yet, just got Mythweb going tonight. next up for me is the other plugins including mythweather

[12:38:28]

wombo:

actually I might try mythweather now I will let you know how I go

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Inkubot:

ok thanks :)

[12:43:25]

wombo:

well that was easy, just got it installed and all is good

[12:43:37]

wombo:

I think I temperature might be a little of though

[12:44:41]

wombo:

wait on it is right, but it is showing the weather for thursday, fri and sat

[12:44:48]

wombo:

but has missed tomorrow, hmm

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weevil:

ha. it does that

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wombo:

opps nah, that was the forecast, but the actual tomorrow screen is out my about 10degrees

[12:46:07]

wombo:

It was tomorrow should be a nice 28degrees when its actually going to be 38degees. I which it was 28

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weevil:

take that up with the weather service

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wombo:

hey weevil do you know which service it uses?

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weevil:

weather.com

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Inkubot:

aja

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Inkubot:

but mythweather said that is night here...

[12:47:46]

Inkubot:

but the sun is hot

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Inkubot:

:(

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wombo:

yeah they always seem to be pretty far out for aus. I normally use our government site which is pretty accurate

[12:48:29]

wombo:

hey its nearly midnight here and its still 30degrees celius

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weevil:

so there needs to be a bunch of mythtv weather satellites & forecasters so we can be 100% sure the data is right

[12:49:07]

wombo:

yeah it might be a good idea, I should put it in as a suggestion.

[12:49:34]

wombo:

I wonder how hard it would be for me to mod it to grab it all from a local service

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wireddd:

I wonder how long it would take to fill up 2 tb of hd space if I setup myth to record "Paid Programming" on any channel at any time

[12:50:22]

Dagmar:

Now THAT would be a *nasty* prank to play on someone

[12:50:38]

weevil:

add it to the 'list of whines for people to ignore' on the wiki

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Dagmar:

I think perhaps you'd want to set that with a -1 priority and to use a *very* low bitrate for the encoding actually

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wireddd:

with the cable service I have, I am pretty sure it would be recording 24/7

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Dagmar:

...so that by the time they noticed it, they'd be very interested in having a way to batch-delete 100's of recordings at one go

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Inkubot:

damn

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Inkubot:

:(

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Inkubot:

show wrong info :(

[12:55:30]

Inkubot:

but weather.com shows good info

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kslater:

what's the latest on the zap2it.com HD OTA schedule problems?

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Inkubot:

:(

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Inkubot:

mythweather it's so wrong

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Inkubot:

it's too hot here.. maybe 20Â°C or 22, but mytheather show 11Â°c and night!!

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Inkubot:

:(

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Inkubot:

i can't find the problem

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jams:

Inkubot- the mythweather provider has been having problems for some time now

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Inkubot:

aaaa that's the problem

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Inkubot:

so maybe in some days work fine ?

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jams:

it's been acting like that for months

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Inkubot:

!

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Inkubot:

:(

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Inkubot:

bad news

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jams:

sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't

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Inkubot:

wow, what a problem

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Inkubot:

how can i change the provider ? it's posible '

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Inkubot:

?

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GreyFoxx:

w

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GreyFoxx:

oops

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SavageOne:

mornin all

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SavageOne:

my mythbox is working wonderfully

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SavageOne:

but ripping is being stupid

[14:13:07]

SavageOne:

it takes FOREVER to do anything but perfect

[14:13:12]

SavageOne:

perfect just ripped a vob

[14:13:14]

SavageOne:

which is cool

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SavageOne:

but I was hoping for small divx avis, or xvifd

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SavageOne:

xvid

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r3z:

Reencode!

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SavageOne:

?

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SavageOne:

I'm using knoppmyth

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SavageOne:

hehe

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SavageOne:

is there something fromthe command line I can do

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SavageOne:

and what is avi manager

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SavageOne:

I heard there was an app that would monitor a directory and if I popped a video file in it it would start re-encoding it and spit it out in divx

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SavageOne:

is that accurate?

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GreyFoxx:

As if we know about every single application and it's use out there :)

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SavageOne:

I know that man

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SavageOne:

but asking is how you determine whether people have an answer, correct ;)

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GreyFoxx:

yes, but the question should be "Does anyone know of one?" not "is my statement correct" :)

[14:18:39]

GreyFoxx:

You could well be right, but noone here might know it :)

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GreyFoxx:

I wouldn't be suprised if something like that existed

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SavageOne:

hehe

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SavageOne:

semantics now?

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SavageOne:

what is this the english professor channel rofl

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SavageOne:

anyone know of a dope reencoder that's dipshit friendly

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SavageOne:

?

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SavageOne:

is that better ;)

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siXy:

dope reencoder????

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GreyFoxx:

No, but they are very different questions, and my comments are to help you get better answers later :)

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SavageOne:

sixy ;)

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siXy:

dope=??

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SavageOne:

umm

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GreyFoxx:

Especially when you are in a channel with many people with different main languages :)

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SavageOne:

a nice encoder

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SavageOne:

good

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SavageOne:

how about neato?

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SavageOne:

fabulous?

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SavageOne:

acceptable

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SavageOne:

golly gee willickers?

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SavageOne:

haha

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wireddd:

wake and bake huh

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siXy:

strange way of saying good. ah wwll

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SavageOne:

haha

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SavageOne:

where you from sixy?

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siXy:

uk

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SavageOne:

wiredd: naw not me

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SavageOne:

sixy: in the US, dope is slang for good

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SavageOne:

depending on where you're from and how old you are

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siXy:

it might be slang here too, i wouldnt know

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jduggan:

SavageOne: its the same here in the UK

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SavageOne:

werd

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SavageOne:

btw

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SavageOne:

that means I agree

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SavageOne:

;)

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SavageOne:

hehe

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kslater:

dope is slang for stupid

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SavageOne:

i love fucking w/ you guys

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kslater:

depending on how old you are..

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SavageOne:

kslater: in noun form, it's either A DOPE is a stupid guy or DOPE is the stuff in the bag i got here for later

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SavageOne:

english is fun eh?

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kslater:

yep

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SavageOne:

I gotta jet

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SavageOne:

it's been interesting

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imperfect-:

I'm suddenly not much of a fan of the nuvexport

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wireddd:

whats it for?

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GreyFoxx:

exporting /transcoding recordings to various formats

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squeee:

When i play certain videos, I completely lose control of my mythtv box. the keyboard is locked out, and i have to wait for the video to be done playing to do anything. I can ssh into the box and kill mplayer and then i regain control. Is there anything I can do to fix this?

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fryfrog:

sounds like its losing focus, can you use alt-tab?

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GreyFoxx:

Yes, start using a window manaher

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GreyFoxx:

And or using the Internal player :)

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fryfrog:

or make sure you have entries in your lircrc file for mplayer?

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** Tommck chuckles at GreyFoxx's quick diagnoses **

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squeee:

nah, alt tab doesn't work

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squeee:

Will using a window manager actually fix that?

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GreyFoxx:

yes

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Tommck:

can anyone help me figure out why my ubuntu dapper front end moves to a file browsing menu instead of popping up the DVD menu when I insert a DVD?

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quicksilver:

alt-tab won't work without a window manager :P

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GreyFoxx:

It's the window managers job to handle window focus

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quicksilver:

who do you think makes the alt-tab

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GreyFoxx:

so your ot her app is ontop but myth still has keyboard focus

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squeee:

well yea, but i can't control anything, like I can't kill the process, i cant go to my virtual terminals... nothing

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GreyFoxx:

A small lightweight window manager will do the job

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squeee:

alright, I have openbox

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Tommck:

run something small like ratpoison or fluxbox

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quicksilver:

if your virtual terminals don't work then something probably borked your keymap

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quicksilver:

or seized control of the keyboard

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squeee:

hmm, alright, i'll try it with openbox and see what happens

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squeee:

thanks everyone

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Tommck:

any ubuntu dapper users here?

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fryfrog:

edgy, ftw!

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sigger:

just started using dapper in the office if that's helpful

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Tommck:

well... I'm having DVD drive issues..

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Tommck:

I insert a DVD and Myth goes to file browsing instead of the configured option of popping up the menu

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sigger:

something set up in your auto.mount?

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Tommck:

define: auto.mount

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Tommck:

:)

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Tommck:

seriously... what is that?

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sigger:

/etc/auto.mnt. I believe that is where a prog to run when drive is mounted is set up. Recollection could be wrong as I don't do that

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Tommck:

I don't have any /etc/au* files

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sigger:

there's other auto.* files. oooh

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** sigger checks his dapper **

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sigger:

hmm, me neither. maybe dapper uses udev. OK I'm officially of no use to you.

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Tommck:

well, maybe we can work another problem... dvdnav is having issues opening the device too

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Tommck:

my DVD drive is /dev/hdb

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Tommck:

my mythtv user is in the group 'cdrom'

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Tommck:

and this is the device: brw-rw---- 1 root cdrom 3, 64 2006-11–05 09:41 /dev/hdb

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Tommck:

and it gives me...2006-11–21 09:48:28.063 Failed to open DVD device at //dev/hdb

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Tommck:

it says it can't open it for reading

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sigger:

sorry, don't really do much with CD/DVD drives. the drive is mounted right? ;) nothing obvious to me from the above.

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sigger:

er, "mounted, right"

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Tommck:

mounted or not, it doesn't work.

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dverzolla:

His anyone using Matrox in Linux + Mythtv Here?

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Tommck:

nope, sorry

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sigger:

Sorry Tommck. no ideas and gotta hop with work

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Tommck:

thanks anyway sigger

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addy:

Hello all. I've managed to get the MythTV working (just a hint for everyone, the P965 is supported by the new alsa dirvers but only for sound OUT not for sound IN). Anwyay, I was looking for some advice on getting the mythTV to control the DirecTV box. I'm planing on buying a new box and the D10 seems to be supported but the newer D11 has all sorts of USB induced problems. Any advice?

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addy:

Any ideas/warnings on HD DirecTV boxes? (HD is next years project but it wouldn't hurt to be prepared ...)

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Tommck:

addy – what's the point? Myth can't record HD from them

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addy:

Well, I might be able to get local or over the air captured. I've got pcHDTV-5500 cards.

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Tommck:

right... I have 2 HD3000s

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addy:

Might be able to get a firewire converter at some point, or pay for the conversion

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addy:

And of course, there are other sources of video than what comes in over the DirecTV box

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Tommck:

right, but you specifically asked for info on HD DirecTV boxes

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addy:

... and then there's the fact that HDMI is way broken and the video stream COULD be captured off of that if you don't mind being in violation of DCMA

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addy:

Well, you've got a good point Tommck – I'm just thinking things through now

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Tommck:

cool

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addy:

As far as I can see, what I want to try to find is a D10 somewhere.

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dverzolla:

Has anyone using Matrox in Linux + Mythtv Here?

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Tommck:

Tommck: nope, sorry

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addy:

Not me ... mine's a FC6/P965/Core Duo/Nvidia 7600 box

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namuch:

anyone know how to get mythtv (frontend and mythweb) to recognize that the file size of a recording has changed due to manual transcoding?

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psofa:

anyone here using a vga to scart cable?

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lotia:

core 2 duo 6400 vs 6600 whats the performance difference. is the 6600 worth the extra cash?

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addy:

I think the 6600 is worth the extra when I built mine

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addy:

Biggest thing is it doubles the L2 cache

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imperfect-:

My backend is a 6400

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imperfect-:

and my desktop is a 6600

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imperfect-:

Odd that you should mention them both ;)

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imperfect-:

2xL2 is the biggest difference imho

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lotia:

imperfect-: does it make much difference for myth to have the extra cache?

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namuch:

anyone know how to get mythtv (frontend and mythweb) to recognize that the file size of a recording has changed due

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namuch:

to manual transcoding?

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fraz_:

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fraz_:

ye

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fraz_2006-11-21:

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fraz_2006-11-21:

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kslater:

doh

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Merlin83b:

Heh.

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kslater:

sometimes just pull the plug out of the wall works..

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kleptophobiac2:

does anybody have a recent copy of mythstreamtv kicking around? jogibear's webserver appears to be down

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namuch:

anyone know how to get mythtv (frontend and mythweb) to recognize that the file size of a recording has changed?

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afrosheen:

namuch, run the video manager and have it rescan?

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namuch:

actually mean recording from the tuners, not the video database

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afrosheen:

why would the size change? post-transcoding?

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quicksilver:

his cat ate some of it

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** quicksilver . o o O ( I made you a cookie but I ated it ) **

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namuch:

i just manually transcoded a bunch of hdtv recordings to drop the size, and everything is fine but mythweb and all the other screens show the size as being what they were before transcoding

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quicksilver:

http://shadowdane.shackspace.com/cats_files/cookie.jpg

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quicksilver:

namuch: I suspect you'll just have to touch up the DB by hand, I'm not sure though

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namuch:

i even ran mythcommflag with --rebuild to fix the seektables but, that didn't fix up the reported file size

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namuch:

that's what i'm thinking too, was just hoping that i'd missed something in a utility, it seems odd that i would be the only person doing something as basic as this...

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LabMonkey:

no WONDER my recordings were off by more than 5 minutes

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LabMonkey:

my local ntp server was failing to sync

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nuonguy:

heh

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nuonguy:

I just noticed that on my machine yesterday

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nuonguy:

So, I upgraded my perfectly working mythbox from FC4 i386 to FC6 x86_64 yesterday

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nuonguy:

the video playback looks awful

[17:29:17]

nuonguy:

it flickers and it stutters a lot

[17:29:36]

nuonguy:

I can't find any reference to people with these issues on the internets

[17:30:06]

quicksilver:

sounds like interrupts to me

[17:30:22]

quicksilver:

I hate to say this, but if it wasn't broke, why did you fix it? :P

[17:30:52]

nuonguy:

hey, it's FC6 and it's x86_64, it's more better

[17:30:57]

nuonguy:

don't you get it? :-)

[17:31:04]

Zider:

"more better"? :)

[17:31:09]

nuonguy:

come on!

[17:31:25]

nuonguy:

I'm calling the geek squad to get your geek badges revoked

[17:31:48]

quicksilver:

real geeks don't use fedora at all :P

[17:31:52]

Zider:

I never touch rpm based distros :P

[17:31:58]

nuonguy:

ooohh... that hurts

[17:32:18]

nuonguy:

so, what do you mean by 'sounds like interrupts'?

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hjohnson:

the geek squad should have their geek license srevoked, they don't count

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nuonguy:

not the silly geek squad from best buy – they're just a front so none of the muggles figure it out

[17:33:25]

quicksilver:

nuonguy: I mean that, random flickering and stuttering sounds like an interrupt problem

[17:33:35]

quicksilver:

interrupts not being serviced timely enough

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nuonguy:

ok

[17:33:44]

quicksilver:

which could be due to excessive interrupt load

[17:33:48]

quicksilver:

bad hardware drivers

[17:33:55]

quicksilver:

(video, audio, hard disk or anything really)

[17:33:57]

nuonguy:

and this would be relevant if I switch from i386 to x86_64?

[17:34:13]

quicksilver:

not totally clear to me, but x86_64 does have a different interrupt model

[17:34:19]

nuonguy:

I did have to make some other changes

[17:34:27]

quicksilver:

It could be the new kernel

[17:34:36]

Zider:

who knows how bad fedora is fscked up.. ;P

[17:34:40]

quicksilver:

it could be you're driving your hard disks wrong

[17:34:46]

nuonguy:

like, the nv driver would hang because there was an iommu conflict

[17:34:48]

quicksilver:

(e.g. wrong SATA driver == no DMA)

[17:34:48]

kslater:

Beirdo: did the logbot not make the trip south?

[17:35:01]

quicksilver:

no DMA === loads of interrupts and poor performance

[17:35:13]

** Beirdo points at MythLogBot **

[17:35:14]

nuonguy:

it turns out, my stupid gigabyte motherboard BIOS had a very hidden setting which set the AGP aperture to 32M

[17:35:20]

Beirdo:

what are you talking about, kslater?

[17:35:28]

Tommck:

my myth front end detects a DVD, and then determines a "m_MediaType: 2". It looks for "VIDEO_TS", but my DVD has "video_ts" Should it find either one?

[17:36:04]

fryfrog:

Tommck: why would it be lower case? I've never seen a DVD where the folder wasn't "VIDEO_TS"

[17:36:08]

** kslater goes to find a link for the MythLogBot **

[17:36:14]

Tommck:

fryfrog – I don't know... ask Sony

[17:36:18]

Beirdo:

MythLogBot: notice

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MythLogBot:

This channel (#mythtv-users) is logged — http://mythtv.beirdo.ca/ircLog/channel/1

[17:36:18]

Tommck:

(they made the DVD)

[17:36:34]

kslater:

Thank you MytLogBot

[17:37:02]

Beirdo:

it shoulda messaged that to you when you joined (if it hadn't done so in at least 24 hours)

[17:37:15]

kslater:

Been on a while I guess

[17:37:23]

Beirdo:

heh :)

[17:37:26]

Beirdo:

fair enough

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fryfrog:

he didn't msg me :(

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Beirdo:

I'm sure you had been notified within the last 24h then :)

[17:38:21]

fryfrog:

oh

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Beirdo:

2006-Nov-21 13:37:27.093910 Notifying fryfrog from MythLogBot@irc.freenode.net :6667/#mythtv-users

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nuonguy:

quicksilver: how do I investigate or debug an interrupt problem?

[17:38:29]

Beirdo:

oh yes it did ;)

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fryfrog:

well, i haven't done any /window close on your mythbot

[17:38:36]

fryfrog:

maybe it was during a reboot or something

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Beirdo:

it was just now

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nuonguy:

I already noticed that the DVD drive has DMA turned on where on FC4i386 I had to turn it on manually

[17:39:05]

fryfrog:

OHHH

[17:39:09]

fryfrog:

its a notify, not a msg :)

[17:39:15]

Tommck:

anyone know if Myth's internal player handles "video_ts" ?

[17:39:16]

Beirdo:

it's a notify, not a pmsg, true, sorry

[17:39:36]

fryfrog:

i should have realized, i see that msg all the time :)

[17:39:45]

Beirdo:

:)

[17:39:45]

nuonguy:

top puts ivtv-enc-vbi at the top of the list

[17:39:46]

fryfrog:

i'm sick, i'll blame that

[17:39:52]

Beirdo:

sounds good to me

[17:40:58]

quicksilver:

nuonguy: I'm afraid I don't have an easy answer

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quicksilver:

nuonguy: I'd start by trying to make sure that you're loading the right modules for everything, and not loading modules you don't need or which make things worse

[17:41:43]

Beirdo:

anyways, I'm gonna go back to reading a book

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kslater:

tracy: ping

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nuonguy:

quicksilver: you might be on to something, with your tip, I googled and found http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php?title=In . . . rintable=yes

[17:43:24]

nuonguy:

unlike that post, I am using SATA and I am using USB

[17:43:36]

nuonguy:

I've already turned off serial port and parallel port

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nuonguy:

I'm going to try noapic

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nuonguy:

where are all the kernel command line args documented?

[17:45:26]

nuonguy:

I can't seem to find the right google terms to reveal a page about that

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psofa:

i doubt theres such thing

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nuonguy:

got it: +linux +kernel +arguments as in http://www.google.com/search?q=%2Blinux+%2Bke . . . amp;oe=UTF-8

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Tommck:

fryfrog – just so you know... I added a "map=off" to my /etc/fstab line and it fixed the file naming

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fryfrog:

ah

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fryfrog:

how'd you find out?

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Tommck:

I just thought about it for a bit... and did a "man mount" :)

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fryfrog:

nuonguy: kernel command line options aren't always *kernel* options

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fryfrog:

nuonguy: you can probably find more specific details by searching for what you are trying to do

[17:47:08]

Tommck:

I figured there could be an issue with caps->lower case conversion

[17:47:28]

fryfrog:

most of them are optiosn passed to kernel driver's / modules, some are used by the distro, etc

[17:47:49]

fryfrog:

How much does a *new* pvr500 go for now-a-days?

[17:48:39]

Tommck:

fryfrog – US$130?

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fryfrog:

I wonder how much a bare, not-in-box used one would go for :/

[17:51:13]

imperfect-:

fryfrog : ARe you selling one ?

[17:51:44]

fryfrog:

imperfect-: considering it, i could use the $$$ and I don't actually USE my PVR500 or PVR250 anymore

[17:51:52]

imperfect-:

Oh really? Why not?

[17:52:01]

fryfrog:

I traded a pair of 250s for the 500, to see what it was like :)

[17:52:11]

fryfrog:

oh, i have 2x air2pc cards and 2x firewire STBs

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imperfect-:

Should have been the same ;)

[17:52:16]

** kslater going to put some Groovy code together to try to see what's up with the OTA HD listings from zap2it **

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imperfect-:

I've got a single firewire

[17:52:23]

imperfect-:

er air2pc

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fryfrog:

imperfect-: it sure was, except the pvr500 is *way way* cooler :)

[17:52:39]

fryfrog:

kslater: have you asked zap2it yet?

[17:52:59]

fryfrog:

and i still don't know what the problem is, i'm a lzay basatrd

[17:53:05]

afrosheen:

has anyone got a reliable way to get Firewire from a DCT-6412 to work

[17:53:15]

afrosheen:

mine just randomly works or doesn't work

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fryfrog:

afrosheen: thats what my 2 are, it works great

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fryfrog:

p2p or broadcast?

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fryfrog:

well, i should qualify great

[17:53:46]

fryfrog:

i have one re-curring problem

[17:54:14]

fryfrog:

almost every time i reboot (either the boxes, the computer or both), they come up with a node of 0,1 or 2

[17:54:34]

fryfrog:

i have only 2 boxes, so *sometimes* they come up in a way that isn't how they were previously :(

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nuonguy:

Can someone look at http://rafb.net/paste/results/lzMgOG41.html and tell me if its obviously wrong?

[17:55:05]

imperfect-:

I'm still trying to get decent nuv->ipod

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imperfect-:

but they're all twitchy and shitty

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afrosheen:

fryfrog, broadcast

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nuonguy:

I've never looked at /proc/interrupts and wouldn't know if it was off

[17:55:44]

afrosheen:

fryfrog, same thing happens here, my cable box sucks so bad I have to reboot it on a weekly basis, so sometimes the nodes change

[17:55:48]

fryfrog:

afrosheen: lemme find my channel change script i wrote, it is what fixed the world for me

[17:56:00]

fryfrog:

it doesn't deal with node changes though :(

[17:56:14]

fryfrog:

in theory, it should be pretty easy to create a script that would do that

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fryfrog:

the trick is "firewire_test" program

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psofa:

fryfrog, you mean the devices?

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fryfrog:

it does an *awsome* job at resetting broadcast

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nuonguy:

I don't know what '0: 31527924 IO-APIC-edge timer' means

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fryfrog:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Firewire_Priming

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fryfrog:

psofa: what do you speak of?

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psofa:

<fryfrog> almost every time i reboot (either the boxes, the computer or both), they come up with a node of 0,1 or 2

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fryfrog:

nuonguy: i think that'd indicate IRQ 0

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fryfrog:

psofa: Yes, if I reboot the computer *sometimes* my 2 firewire STBs will change which node they are on.

[17:58:39]

nuonguy:

is it high?

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fryfrog:

psofa: Same thing if I reboot the STBs (and not the computer)

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psofa:

fryfrog, had the same problem

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fryfrog:

and same for both

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psofa:

you can write an udev rule

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fryfrog:

oh?

[17:59:05]

psofa:

to always map them to the same nodes

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fryfrog:

now *that* is an awsome idea

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psofa:

^^

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fryfrog:

psofa: can you msg me your udev lines?

[18:01:22]

psofa:

yep

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fryfrog:

thanks :)

[18:01:56]

psofa:

ATTRS{device}=="0x2103", PROGRAM="/bin/sh -c 'K=%k; K=$${K#dvb}; printf dvb/adapter0/%%s $${K#*.}'", NAME="%c", GROUP="video"

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psofa:

ATTRS{device}=="0x8802", PROGRAM="/bin/sh -c 'K=%k; K=$${K#dvb}; printf dvb/adapter1/%%s $${K#*.}'", NAME="%c", GROUP="video"

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fryfrog:

dvb??

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psofa:

ah :P

[18:02:39]

fryfrog:

ah, you had a simliar problem

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psofa:

thought you were talking about dvb

[18:02:47]

fryfrog:

not the same, ie not firewire?

[18:02:48]

psofa:

but its the same thing

[18:02:49]

fryfrog:

ah

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fryfrog:

well, they don't create "/dev" devices :(

[18:03:05]

fryfrog:

you can only see the "node" using plugreport

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fryfrog:

afaik

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psofa:

that sounds strange

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psofa:

are you sure they cant be /dev's?

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nuonguy:

I'm sad to report that noapic did not improve the video quality

[18:05:21]

nuonguy:

it's as bad as ever

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kslater:

fryfrog: sorry, missed your question – I haven't asked them. There are posts that ask the question but no answer from them yet that I've seen.

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rtsai:

anyone recording OTA HD? I'm finding that the recordings (according to the OSD) are like 5–10 minutes shorter than an hour. I set "Heroes" to "end late by 6 minutes", and it's still 59:52

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nuonguy:

rtsai: is your clock spot on?

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rtsai:

yes. What I mean is that the backend logs show the recording happening between 21:00 and 22:00 (well, 22:06, with my "end 6 minutes late" rule), but the OSD shows 59:52 (or 51:xx, if only recording an hour)

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rtsai:

that should have nothing to do with clock synch, but yes, my clock is correct

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nuonguy:

sorry, Ihad that issue where my clock was way off

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dverzolla:

Anyone have a hauppauge card?

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Hoxzer_:

I think there are plenty f those guys I however use terratec

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dverzolla:

Hoxzer_, terratec is a hardware based encoder?

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Ediehow:

hi

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Ediehow:

why do listings only list to 24th?

[19:08:28]

Ediehow:

for me?

[19:09:10]

GreyFoxx:

Your zap2it account expired ?

[19:12:54]

Ediehow:

i don't think so:O

[19:13:43]

Ediehow:

Status: Active

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Ediehow:

Subscription Expires: 2007/01/06

[19:14:17]

Ediehow:

do i need to run mythfilldatabase again oro something?

[19:14:39]

GreyFoxx:

Ediehow: Do you have myth configured to auto run it ?

[19:14:47]

GreyFoxx:

Does it say when it was last run ?

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Ediehow:

i think cron does

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GreyFoxx:

Check :)

[19:15:00]

GreyFoxx:

Myth can run it automatically OR a cronjob

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GreyFoxx:

I'd check just in case

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Ediehow:

cat /etc/cron.daily/myth

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Ediehow:

mythfilldatabase

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GreyFoxx:

When you looked for the expiry date, did it state when it was last run ?

[19:16:55]

Ediehow:

on zap2it?

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Ediehow:

that's where i got that from

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Ediehow:

from website

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kormoc:

in the frontend's status page

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Ediehow:

oh, i am coming through ssh rite now, i will have to do it later

[19:17:30]

Ediehow:

unless there's a console method to see that

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GreyFoxx:

ok, the Frontend or mythweb on the status page will tell ya

[19:17:56]

Ediehow:

ok, i can see mythweb right now

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Ediehow:

where on mythweb?

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Ediehow:

backend status?

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Ediehow:

Last mythfilldatabase run started on 2006-11–11 12:09 and ended on 2006-11–11 12:09. Successful.

[19:18:25]

Ediehow:

wow, that's not goood

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Ediehow:

good

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Ediehow:

i wonder if cron is not running or something

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GreyFoxx:

could be

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Ediehow:

how do i determine?

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GreyFoxx:

if it "failed" it might be in a syslog entry

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Ediehow:

no, i've done it manually

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Ediehow:

or do you mean cron?

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Ediehow:

i've done mythfilldatabase manually often

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GreyFoxx:

otherwise I would just run it manually now, take it out of cron and tell the backend to run it autopmatically

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GreyFoxx:

I mean if cron had an error it might have logged it

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GreyFoxx:

Have you run it manually since Nov 11th ?

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Ediehow:

you mean cron failed or mythfilldatabase?

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GreyFoxx:

If cron failed it might have logged it

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GreyFoxx:

normally any stdout output of a cron run app gets emailed to the system user who ran it as well, so you might have mail sitting on your users mailbox on thaty machine as well unless you have a .forward to forward mail to another account.

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Ediehow:

thx sir

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Ediehow:

bye

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redeetard:

lol

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psofa:

latest trunk is really broken

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psofa:

after trying to change inputs the connection dies sometimes

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psofa:

2006-11–21 21:41:40.411 MythSocket(a845b058:-1): readStringList: Error, called with unconnected socket.

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psofa:

it used to work on the ten days old trunk

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nuonguy:

I'm slowing coming to terms with the fact that I'm going to have to revert to i386 from x86_64

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nuonguy:

I'm very sad about that

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D-side:

you shouldn't be.

[19:52:39]

D-side:

you're likely doing nothing that utilizes the benefits of a 64bit arch.

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nuonguy:

really?

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nuonguy:

You don't think that my machine could run a few degrees cooler with this same workload?

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psofa:

lol no

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psofa:

i really doubt that

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Viking1:

64bit O

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Viking1:

S

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Viking1:

are a big headach

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Viking1:

e

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nuonguy:

I'm no great expert on this, but it seems counter-intuitive

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psofa:

the only advantage imho is memory

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psofa:

and you get that in the expense of sanity

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nuonguy:

psofa you mean if I need more that 4G of RAM?

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psofa:

since youll run into many problems

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psofa:

nuonguy, yeah

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fryfrog:

with 64bit, the only *real* difference is that it can interface with something like 64TB of ram

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nuonguy:

not in my case

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fryfrog:

or something

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fryfrog:

4GB-??GB what ever that limit is

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nuonguy:

fryfrog, I think 32-bit can only address 4G of address space...

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fryfrog:

nuonguy: right, and 64bit's memory limit is really big but i dunno what it is specifically :)

[20:01:34]

nuonguy:

me neither

[20:02:06]

nuonguy:

noone cares about their geek honour

[20:02:33]

nuonguy:

I wanted to go to thanksgiving, be all casual, and say something like, 'yeah, my mythbox is running 64-bit now'

[20:02:50]

nuonguy:

'I felt like I was being too old-school by staying with 32-bit'

[20:02:56]

nuonguy:

you know, geek pride!

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kormoc:

64 bit is usually limited to 1 tb or so

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nuonguy:

noone else seems to feel that way and I just don't understand it

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capt-silver:

whats the point of running 64-bit? Unless you have like 8GB of ram or more ? An 8GB server should not be used for Mythtv...

[20:04:12]

nuonguy:

someone has done this before: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php?title=In . . . rintable=yes

[20:04:16]

kormoc:

fryfrog, the real differentce with 32 vs 64 is purely in how many moves intenral to the processor it takes to handle large numbers

[20:04:33]

kormoc:

fryfrog, which is why things like video encoding is much faster as 64 bit rather then 32

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nuonguy:

are all those 128-bit wide registers addressable from i386?

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kormoc:

in 64 bit mode, yes, in 32, no

[20:06:33]

nuonguy:

see, then you really want to 64-bit, right?

[20:06:43]

kormoc:

it's nice, aye

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capt-silver:

forget 64-bit. unless you have oodles of cash and need to make like an 8-way opteron server....

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nuonguy:

I already have the athlon64

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nuonguy:

with mobo, it was only $140 at Fry's last year

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juski:

evening

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juski:

who wants to test a new wide theme then?

[20:08:20]

nuonguy:

someone has had this working as shown by that mythwiki entry

[20:08:59]

capt-silver:

64-bit is slower than 32-bit, unless you have 8GB or more of ram....So you see...whats the point of having an 8GB mythtv box?

[20:09:14]

kormoc:

capt-silver, that's not true

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juski:

bugger. forgot to update the preview pic in the theme. derrrrr

[20:09:57]

kormoc:

capt-silver, 64 bit is the same speed for most things, and substantinally faster for a nice large chunk of things

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nuonguy:

capt-silver: that doesn't jive with what I've experienced elsewhere

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kormoc:

capt-silver, my 2.4 ghz p4 takes a hour to encode a xvid file, my 2.8 64 bit proc takes 20 minutes.

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capt-silver:

and how much ram ?

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kormoc:

Both use 2 gigs

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psofa:

err that doesnt mean its because of using an 64bit os

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afrosheen:

yeah the 64bit chips have the magical quality of executing 32bit code faster

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psofa:

an amd64 isnt faster because of 64bits

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afrosheen:

honestly they work better in 32bit modes

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psofa:

its faster because of better arch

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kormoc:

actually, the real reason is purely the ability to handle larger chunks of data with less moves around internally

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psofa:

kormoc, have you tested it in 32bit mode?

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kormoc:

psofa, yes I have

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afrosheen:

psofa, it's always faster

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kormoc:

psofa, even just using a 32 bit version of ffmpeg, it's slower by at least 2x over the 64 bit ffmpeg

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psofa:

kormoc, !

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afrosheen:

o rly

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psofa:

on the same proc?

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kormoc:

aye

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psofa:

Oo

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kormoc:

again, it's purely cause the cpu is in a mode that can handle complicated math with less cache trashing, which does give better thoughput

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capt-silver:

you sure about this kormoc? I only say this, because this may be gospel down the road...beause someone on irc said ......

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kormoc:

capt-silver, aye. it's a limited number of apps. Compiling and video encoding are the two that benifit the most in my testing, and it also depends on the video codecs.

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kormoc:

some get a much nicer boost then others, but there's a all around boost

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capt-silver:

are there any benchmarks you can run? A lot of people would be really interested in the results...

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kormoc:

well, I could do sample encodes, 32 vs 64 bit, sure

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nuonguy:

capt-silver: you do know about all those really fat 128-bit registers that you can address directly, right?

[20:16:37]

capt-silver:

just general linux benchmarking tools...cant trhink of any right now....

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nuonguy:

very, very nice

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nuonguy:

I got to do a small project at work where I used them

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jduggan:

capt-silver: time ;)

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jduggan:

:)

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jduggan:

juski: still need someone to test a wide theme?

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juski:

yeah when it's uploaded

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kormoc:

capt-silver, I'll grant you that in general, 64 vs 32 bit, there's very little difference.

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juski:

might take a while – it's about 20MB

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kormoc:

capt-silver, I'm saying that with specific applications, it's faster

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juski:

jduggan: and I already know you're gonna comment about the tv channel name length in the guide so I'll disregard that ;)

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stuarta:

evening all

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juski:

evening stuarta

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jduggan:

juski: lol

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kslater:

any HD OTA guys abount?

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jduggan:

juski: complaints dont come directly from me, i rarely watch livetv these days, just progs i've recorded

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jduggan:

im just a complaint proxy

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jduggan:

its the gf that complains

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jduggan:

:)

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juski:

never got to the bottom of my playback problem, but it doesn't show on ubuntu so I'll stay on that fer a bit. Ticket 2412 gave me hope for minimyth but it wasnt to be

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jduggan:

but i think she got used to them now, and since i added channel icons it makes it easier for her to recognise which channel is which

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juski:

just abbrev. t. ch. nms

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juski:

;)

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jduggan:

hehe

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juski:

$ky do, tivo does..

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juski:

oh and _yes_ blootube-wide works well with 0.20, in opengl mode. no vanishing buttons AFAICT

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juski:

oh and no there won't be a 43 version, before anybody asks

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juski:

4:3 even

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juski:

http://www.mythtvtalk.com/ProjectGrayhem/tarb . . . a1.0.tar.bz2 is now ready for download

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stuarta:

that sounds somewhat teletubby

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juski:

I was gonna call it blue$ky-wide but hey

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juski:

for one thing it doesn't have any clouds in the background ;)

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stuarta:

too close to the mark?

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juski:

hah

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juski:

anyway dollar signs in the theme name might cause mythfrontend to segfault – I never checked ;)

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fryfrog:

ls

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fryfrog:

oops

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janneg:

argh! stupid bounty system. sends spam to mythtv-dev AND mythtv-users

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juski:

saw that on the -dev list. v. sucky

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janneg:

same mail is on -users

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janneg:

the mx of pledgebank sent it.

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juski:

I thought the general consensus of the community was set dead against bounties anyway

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janneg:

I think that's only true for the community of developers

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hhhjr:

Hello I am trying to get the tv out on a Nvidia personal cinema mx 400 it is the unit with the breakout box anybody have any experience with this card?

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juski:

so 875 euros for _how_ much coding time?

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stuarta:

!trout pledge_email PIA

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mirak:

hi

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mirak:

could mythtv tolerate usage of smartcard plugin of sc, since it uses only legal smartcard with phoenix reader ?

[21:02:43]

clars:

Im not using TV-out on the pvr-350 card but using my normal screen on the PC, the picture is not nice, when looking on the TV, where do I setup the screen selution?

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xris:

clars: xorg.conf?

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clars:

yes but that not changes the selution – when Im looking TV (the rest f the time the screen is nice)

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janneg:

pledgebank isn't that stupid. the spam comes from the individual contributors

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janneg:

!trout pledge_contributors

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stuarta:

saw that.

[21:11:27]

stuarta:

i like the direction you are heading with the patch for the netid=0

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visit0r:

xris: you pinged me a day ago?

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janneg:

yeah, daniel too. I'm testing now the dbcheck part for dvb. I'll let daniel make the atsc part. that isn't that important

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dogie:

anyone know if a nexus 2.3 will work in mythtv?

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kormoc:

google might know

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dogie:

well they didnt lol

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stuarta:

dogie: does it work in linux?

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dogie:

i have found info on rev 2.2 that says it is supported

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janneg:

dogie: have you looked in the linuxtv wiki?

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dogie:

yes I am in there now

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janneg:

I think it is supported, the vdr people don't like it since it has no rgb output (iirc)

[21:35:01]

janneg:

but for mythtv less expensive, so called budget cards are working equally well if not better

[21:35:12]

dogie:

I read a fourm back a while that there was a hardware mod to get rgb out of it but there was sync issues

[21:35:45]

dogie:

yeah I just gave my buddie my twinhan

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janneg:

if you don't want to use vdr it is silly to buy a "full-featured" card with mpeg decoder

[21:38:08]

janneg:

it is highly unlikely that the decoder will be supported byt mythtv

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dogie:

yes they even dropped support for the pvr 350 from what I read

[21:40:19]

dogie:

but I have 2 rev 2.3

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dogie:

so I am tryig to use them

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kormoc:

dogie, but there's a X driver for the pvr 350's tv out that works fine with myth

[21:41:28]

brando1:

Has anyone using .20a and attempting to use the internal player for dvd playback. It works 95% of the time but some times when it tries to play a DVD it is always choppy. Using xine works fine though. DVD's doing this are not scratched and a few of my older dvd rips stored on the hard drive also play back choppy. I didn't find much help on the archive threads. Is this known and is there a work around?

[21:41:54]

stuarta:

it's not perfect yet :)

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janneg:

dogie: have you tried to plug the nexus in a linux computer and see what happens?

[21:42:57]

brando1:

stuarta: was that to me?

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dogie:

yes it is in now it tells me that the firmware is not loaded so I am trying to install it now, but in my search I have not found any info on the 2.3

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stuarta:

brando1: yes. the internal dvd player is still a work in progress...

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stuarta:

does it work better with some dvd's than others?

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brando1:

yes, most dvds it works fine

[21:45:16]

brando1:

it's just a few it doesn't.

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janneg:

dogie: http://linuxtv.org/downloads/firmware/dvb-ttpci-01.fw-2622 place this file into your firmware directory and create a symbolic link with name dvb-ttpci-01.fw

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brando1:

xine seemed to play them all, except for one dvd neither played correctly.

[21:46:08]

brando1:

but that could have been the one dvd

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oscar:

hey guys, got a pretty simple question for the guys who knows this. Is it possible when installed mythTV, ssh to the box and start a movie ?

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stuarta:

brando1: then I suggest emailing -dev with information about the titles that don't work properly. you may get asked to try svn head for testing purposes

[21:51:19]

fryfrog:

oscar: yeah, i think you can use the telnet interface thing?

[21:51:33]

fryfrog:

another option would be to run "x11vnc" and navigate the gui with vncviewer

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fryfrog:

i use the second option for changing settings remotly from work

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fryfrog:

(forwarded over an ssh tunnel)

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oscar:

ok thx :)

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oscar:

have a good one

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kslater:

when setting up channels scanned by an OTA HD card there are choices for how to store the channel numbers. Can someone tell me how to know if a method is correct?

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kslater:

I think the choices are majorminor, major.minor and major_minor

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jacobilsoe:

Hi. I am trying to reset my mythfrontend configuration. I read somewhere that mythfrontend -r should do it. It doesn't work in version 0.20 though. Anyone?

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addy:

heh ... I just did a ctrl+c then restarted it ...

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addy:

backend crashed on me

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addy:

fe locked up

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addy:

... but it still knew about my transcode jobs which is ince

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addy:

*nice

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JoeyJoeJo:

has anyone tried out the frontend on the ps3 yet?

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xris:

wow. logitech harmony 880 for $117

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kormoc:

jacobilsoe, try mythfrontend --help?

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jacobilsoe:

kormoc: I tried. There is nothing about -r or --reset there...

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wazquis:

Anyone has a solution for mythfrontend to automaticly start after boot for watching and still beeing able to halt the machine automaticly if it was booted by RTC to start recording?

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r3m0t:

how can I quickly test out my PVR-350? I don't want to set up mythtv yet

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wazquis:

r3m0t: cat /dev/video > file.mpg , break it after a few seconds and try to watch the file.mpg with a video player

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r3m0t:

and tuning it?

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wazquis:

r3m0t: i cannot remember...there are some console tools for doing that...

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r3m0t:

v4lctl doesn't appear to be installed here (ubuntu) – can anybody name a package?

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Juski:

jduggan: so... how is it then?

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tbr:

i just upgraded to .20 and noticed that anything in parenthesis is no longer displayed. i did not see a setting or anything regarding this and i was wondering if i could change it back?

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Branson:

has anyone found any other way to make the ir blaster on a pvr150 work besides marks braindump athttp://www.blushingpenguin.com/mark/blog/?p=24 it's out of date with the most current kernel

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Branson:

and wont compile

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Juski:

Branson: so just apply the instructions relating to what you do with config files etc, not the drivers ;)

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Juski:

read between the lines...

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Branson:

yea buts its a patched version, and config.sh file from lirc doesnt have the pvr150 option in it

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Branson:

I wish it was that simple, or if it is im missing something

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Juski:

see the ivtv mailing list, lirc mailing list etc etc etc

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Juski:

at a push even the mythtv wiki

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Branson:

his directions revolve around a patched version of a cvs release

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Juski:

driver code might not actually need patched anymore...

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Juski:

if someone could be bothered to document stuff & not leave what they write on the edge of the intarwebby ;)

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Branson:

yea I looked into that too there has been another cvs release since his last custom patch and it didnt work either

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Branson:

yea

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Branson:

would be nice

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Branson:

I suppose the simple solution would just be to build a serial transmitter

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