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Friday, November 17th, 2006, 00:00 UTC

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suga_bear:

this is US $60 I am not sure I am interested in seeing what i would need for a box with very good quality replay of recordings and then decide if i can afford it

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sPiN:

thats about what im running

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suga_bear:

If I can't afford really good quality I will probably hold off until i can afford quality

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suga_bear:

sPiN how is it working for you?

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cureless:

suga_bear: let me rephrase, that will work, what you mentioned, but it will be hard to upgrade it to hdtv

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suga_bear:

clueless: what will HDTV cost?

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sPiN:

just getting .20 compiled .19 had issues for sure though

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suga_bear:

sPiN: were the issues related to software or hardware?

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cureless:

suga_bear: well, for input you need an hdtv card, probable the hd-5500, I don't know how much that runs, $150? but you can wait on that if you don't have the input/outputs

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cureless:

it's the processor (and or processor upgradable motherboard) that you might want to worry about.

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suga_bear:

clueless: how is the quality of that card? Is the replay like the original?

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sPiN:

i had a 2nd video card and it would always crash when i was using the tvout on that nvidia card

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PSU:

hi guys just got knoppmyth setup

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fryfrog:

Okay, so my fresh Ubuntu install is *stuttering* on HD video, where my gentoo did not :/

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PSU:

says that i am already recording all of my available channels when i click on watch tv

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cureless:

the tricky thing about mythtv and other similar software (build-it-yourself) is that everybody has their own different config, so nothing is really standard. tivo has it easy that way.

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PSU:

i haven't recorded anything yet

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PSU:

how can i re-configure?

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PSU:

i looked in setup but didn't see anything

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PSU:

i want to go thru the setup again

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sPiN:

anyone know what library provides the aac support

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cureless:

sPiN: maybe libfaac?

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sPiN:

aaahhh thanks

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PSU:

guys how do i go thru the main configuration again? like where i setup my remote control, etc.?

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cureless:

PSU: you mean mythtv-setup?

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PSU:

yeah

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PSU:

i'm running knoppmyth

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fryfrog:

I'm getting 100% cpu usage playing back HD, what is going on???

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cureless:

fryfrog: maybe you don't have xvmc enabled.

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PSU:

cureless: any ideas?

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cureless:

PSU: I don't know about your knoppmyth, but just quit mythfrontend and run mythtv-setup from the command line

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PSU:

ok thx

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PSU:

will try

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sPiN:

package was faad2 and faac

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fryfrog:

sudo chown www-data /usr/share/mythtv/mythweb/data

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fryfrog:

oops

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fryfrog:

cureless: how do i enable it, do you know?

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cureless:

fryfrog: I think it depends on your distro. In some it's enabled by default. For ubuntu I don't know.

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cureless:

For debian I had to do some "magic" and move (link) libs around in /usr/lib to use the nvidia xvmc libs and not the xorg libs

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suga_bear:

I was reading the FAQ and saw the question: Can any of these cards work with my satellite receiver? so I assume DIRECTtv is not an option for input?

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fryfrog:

i see

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cureless:

suga_bear: everything can be made to work in one way or another. The more DRM the trickier it gets.

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cureless:

but at some point it consumes too much of your time

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suga_bear:

cureless yes i understand

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suga_bear:

so answering a question about Direct TV may be DRM quicksand?

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suga_bear:

PSU: how is knoppmyth working out ?

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fryfrog:

what the fuck, why is it stuttering!

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fryfrog:

its using 98% cpu time!

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PSU:

suga_bear: not working...reinstalling knoppmyth :)

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PSU:

think i went thru the setup too quickly

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fryfrog:

Okay, SD content only uses about 11%

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clop:

hi, i just got a new nvidia card, i'm wondering if i should use the "nv" or "nvidia" driver?

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cureless:

clop: use the proprietary one: nvidia

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clop:

cureless, ok, is it faster?

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cureless:

waaay faster

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clop:

oh ok, good deal

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clop:

thanks a lot :)

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PSU:

what is an "IR Blaster"

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PSU:

that is asked during setup?

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PSU:

i have the IR cable connected to my pVR 350

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PSU:

is that an IR Blaster?

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cureless:

PSU: an IR Blaster is a IR transmitter that "blasts" / sends IR signals. Normally to act as a remote control for another device (i.e. cable box)

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PSU:

ok thanks!

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PSU:

wohoo got tv on my monitor

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PSU:

now i just changed channels and it froze :/

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PSU:

heh

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PSU:

that ever happen to you guys?

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Zider:

not me.. mainly because I don't have a tuner ;)

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PSU:

oh

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PSU:

heh

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PSU:

how do i get to the mythtv menu from watching tv?

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PSU:

guess escape works

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PSU:

not sure how the remote works thouggh

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cureless:

menu button normally

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PSU:

yeah

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PSU:

tried that

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PSU:

hmm

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PSU:

i don't have the names of the programs

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PSU:

doedns't look like it downloaded it

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PSU:

cureless: how can i re-download the guide?

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cureless:

err, I don't know, mythfilldatabase?

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PSU:

it says unknown

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PSU:

ok

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PSU:

sec

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Led-Hed:

is it possible to RIP a DVD at the same time? 2 Frontends.

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Led-Hed:

err

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Led-Hed:

Is it possible to Rip 2 DVD's at the same time

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PSU:

anyway to troubleshoot if mythfilldatabase is not pulling program data at all?

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Led-Hed:

the logs?

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PSU:

k

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PSU:

sec

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]-[all:

Hello there, does anybody what does the command "QUERY_RECORDER::FILL_POSITION_MAP" do?

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PSU:

stupid question

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PSU:

how do i get the display on my tv

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PSU:

as opposed to the monitor

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PSU:

i have the 350 and the cable is hooked up

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Led-Hed:

PSU, what distro?

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PSU:

knoppmyth

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Led-Hed:

I dont have any experience with Knoppmyth, but its a matter of cofiguring X to display on the PVR-350 TV-out port. Jarod Wilsons site has a lot of good info. It is Fedora based but much of it should still be usefull to you.

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PSU:

ok

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PSU:

do u have the url pls?

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Led-Hed:

http://wilsonet.com/mythtv/fcmyth.php#video

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Led-Hed:

there is a PVR0350 Specific Topic

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PSU:

rgz

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PSU:

thx

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Led-Hed:

PSU, http://wilsonet.com/mythtv/fcmyth.php#capture

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Led-Hed:

this is where the configuration stuff is.

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Led-Hed:

at the beginning of this section "10. Get and Install Capture card drivers" there is an option to "Show PVR-350 Output info" make sure to click that link!

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PSU:

ok

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Viking1:

any clues on getting a nexus s remote to work with lirc?

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PSU:

got the tv out to work

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PSU:

but the stupid directory is still not listed

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PSU:

the tv guide

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PSU:

hrm

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imperfect-:

Can someone please tell me why I can't watch SDTV over 100mbps LAN with Myth?

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imperfect-:

This is stupid.

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charlieS:

should be able to.. SDTV is only ~5 Mb/s

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imperfect-:

You would think!

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imperfect-:

But instead it's choppyu

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imperfect-:

and unwatchable

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charlieS:

works for me :)

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imperfect-:

That's what I'm syaing

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Zider:

and you're sure it's the lan speed?

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imperfect-:

I need to figure out wtf the problem is

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GreyFoxx:

livetv?

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imperfect-:

it's driving me nuts

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imperfect-:

Yeah

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imperfect-:

GreyFoxx: yeah

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charlieS:

can you ttcp at > 20 Mb/s ?

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GreyFoxx:

pause it for a few seconds

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GreyFoxx:

then hit play again

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imperfect-:

opw

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imperfect-:

i did

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imperfect-:

it's still doing it

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imperfect-:

im gonna open it in term and watch the output

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D-side:

well, that was an utter failure.

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Zider:

perhaps it's the drive speed? :P

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imperfect-:

Prebuffer wait timed out 10 times

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imperfect-:

okay

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imperfect-:

lets just like

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imperfect-:

think about this

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imperfect-:

I'm watching HDTV Recordings

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imperfect-:

just fine

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imperfect-:

explain that

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Zider:

so HDTV works but not SDTV?

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imperfect-:

SDTV live tv doesnt work

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imperfect-:

but im watching a HDTV recording

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imperfect-:

which I've got to say is working for the first time

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imperfect-:

turning on bob

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Zider:

have you checked that DMA is on on the drive?

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imperfect-:

It's over the network

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Zider:

yes, but the source has to be a drive somewhere :)

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imperfect-:

Nod

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imperfect-:

It's a LVM volume

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imperfect-:

two 500GB SATA drives.

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Zider:

ah

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Zider:

I guess DMA works then ;)

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imperfect-:

yeah

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imperfect-:

It's on a core 2 system

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Zider:

nice

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imperfect-:

and im watching on a core 2 system

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iamlindoro:

Hi all-- wonder if I can get some help on this: I have a fully functional frontend/backend machine and I am trying to add a second frontend-- a Mac OS X frontend... every time I open it I am given the same "unable to connect to database" error and asked to select my language, server hostname, user, password, etc. The console repeats a variety of messages including "Can't connect to MySQL server on '192.168.0.99' (61

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iamlindoro:

)" (The correct ip for my backend)... I have tried allowing access to the database in mysql with the following command (edited to remove my password): "grant all on mythconverg.* to mythtv@"192.168.0.%" identified by "password";

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iamlindoro:

Sorry about the long message. :)

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imperfect-:

I turned on bob deinterlacing

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imperfect-:

and i dont see the nasty blur lines anymore

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imperfect-:

I wonder if it's the deinterlacing

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Criten:

Hi

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charlieS:

iamlindoro: read the wiki on setting up additional frontends.

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Criten:

Im looking for a capture card that would work nicely in linux any suggestions?

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imperfect-:

Hauppage MCE-500

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imperfect-:

or 150 ;)

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imperfect-:

Unless you're looking for HDTC

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Zider:

Criten: there is a bunch listed in the wiki

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imperfect-:

s/C/V

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Criten:

Thanks guys

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iamlindoro:

Charlies: which particular wiki page? can you link?

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Criten:

yea can you give me a link to the wiki that your talking about"?

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iamlindoro:

I know *which* wiki, personally, it's just that I think I have read through most of the stuff pertaining to setting up a frontend and I am at wit's end

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iamlindoro:

Criten, he is referring to www.mythtv.org/wiki/ I think

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sPiN:

what can i do if mythtv thinks it is recording but it actually isnt

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sPiN:

i think it got killed one day when it was recording and there is some db key or something set and it thinks it is recording

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imperfect-:

Man

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imperfect-:

I had no idea what a difference bob deinterlacing could do

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imperfect-:

I'm impressed

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sPiN:

monitor playback

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sPiN:

sorry that was supposed to have a ?

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D-side:

so OTA HDTV signals are utter crap here. I call my cable company and ask them what channels their HD box outputs through firewire.

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D-side:

"what's firewire?"

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charlieS:

go figure :)

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D-side:

I shouldn't be surprised.

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savageone:

where's lircd.conf?

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PSU:

guys how do i fix this

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PSU:

Connecting to datadirect.webservices.zap2it.com[206.18.98.160]:80... connected.

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PSU:

HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 401 Unauthorized

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PSU:

connects..but unauthorize

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Andui1:

PSU: That alone doesn't indicate an error

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PSU:

ok

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Andui1:

PSU: does it get data after that?

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PSU:

nope

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PSU:

no data

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PSU:

i dont' recall the setup asking me for a zap2it account

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Andui1:

PSU: check your login/password

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Andui1:

PSU: it is there in mythtv-setup

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PSU:

ok

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PSU:

can i just run mythtv-setup again?

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PSU:

from a shell?

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PSU:

as root?

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Andui1:

PSU: Yes

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PSU:

thanks buddy!

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PSU:

hmm

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PSU:

ran it

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PSU:

didn't ask me for any info

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Andui1:

PSU: You have to configure the lineup, the info is part of that

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PSU:

hmm, where>?

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PSU:

in mythtv-setup?

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Andui1:

Yes

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PSU:

as root or mythtv user?

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Andui1:

PSU: for this, the user doesn't make a difference

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PSU:

ok

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PSU:

do you have a few mins to walk me thru this?

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PSU:

when i type mythtv-setup

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PSU:

a new window comes up

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PSU:

warning: mythtv has detected that the backend is running

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PSU:

changing exsiting card inputs, deleting anything, or scanning for channel may not work

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PSU:

continue/exit

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PSU:

continue?

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Andui1:

Yes, continue, or shut down the backend if you want, won't make a difference for this

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PSU:

ok i hit contune

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PSU:

now i just have a blue background

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PSU:

hit alt-tab

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PSU:

and i see the shell

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PSU:

1–5

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PSU:

general, capture, video, input, channel editor

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Andui1:

PSU: You want to add a video source

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PSU:

ok

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PSU:

i have cable tv

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PSU:

that i added earlier

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PSU:

edit that one?

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Andui1:

Sure

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PSU:

ok

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PSU:

i see user id/password

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PSU:

this needs to be a zap2it account?

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Andui1:

Yes

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Andui1:

(as in the docs)

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PSU:

ok

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PSU:

sorry :/

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Andui1:

Yup, just pointing it out

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PSU:

np

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PSU:

subscription only good for like 3 months?

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PSU:

will it auto-renew?

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opello:

no

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Andui1:

PSU: You should get an e-mail to take a survey

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PSU:

ok

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opello:

it's short

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Andui1:

(you may not, so keep an eye on your renewal date)

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D-side:

i've done it like 6 times now.

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PSU:

ok

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PSU:

haha

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D-side:

it takes 7 seconds, maybe.

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PSU:

goti t

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PSU:

it

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PSU:

well worth it :)

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PSU:

ok awesome

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Andui1:

I wish they would just charge money for it.

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PSU:

now it's pulling down data

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PSU:

did a mythdatabase

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opello:

Andui1: they tried that, not enough signed up (i think that's why they stopped)

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opello:

0.18.1 or so?

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Andui1:

opello: If they actually did they didn't try hard.

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opello:

someone else probably knows more, i don't even remember the name

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PSU:

so do you guys watch tv normally using mythtv

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PSU:

or do you have it as like a line-in

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PSU:

and you use it back and forth

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PSU:

?

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PSU:

trying to decide if i need a splitter, etc. for my cable connection

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opello:

i have mine on another video input, but sometimes i watch tv on it

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PSU:

ok

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PSU:

that's what i thought

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opello:

i like to watch the normal tv sometimes, if i don't care about pausin

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opello:

g

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opello:

(and not have the hard drive a spinnin)

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D-side:

hrm.

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PSU:

damn this takes awhile to grab the listings the first time

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PSU:

ok one more question for you guys, then i might actually be ready to setup shop :)

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PSU:

the tv-out displays to my tv fine

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PSU:

when i hit exit

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PSU:

the mythtv menu displays on my monitor now

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PSU:

and not on the tv

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PSU:

i just want this to be hooked to the tv

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PSU:

i.e. i will not have a monitor once i move the pc

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PSU:

why is it using the monitor for the setup and the tv for the tv out?

[02:58:29]

PSU:

or how can i change this?

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PSU:

thanks@!

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imperfect-:

Any idea what causes twitchy OSD?

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PSU:

heh

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PSU:

anyone know how i can use the tv to control the menus

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PSU:

and not my monitor?

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queso:

anyone had an issue with a tv tuner saying it is recording and in use, but it isn't? I just setup the system and it won't let me use the card

[03:12:24]

queso:

it is an ATi HDTV wonder... I recompiled the kernel and linux is seeing the card

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queso:

as is the MythTV backend

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D-side:

man i can't answer your question, but i nearly bought an ati hdtv wonder today

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D-side:

so thank you for telling me about your problems. no hdtv wonder for me. :D

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opello:

juski: ping

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queso:

D-side, read the wiki, there are lots of great choices

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D-side:

there right now actually.

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queso:

I bought mine a while ago when I used MCE :(

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queso:

today is my first day setting up myth

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queso:

I need to pick up a sd card too, so I can get regular tv

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queso:

I guess in linux, the ati can only do HD

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D-side:

looks correct to me.

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D-side:

i'm considering an HD5500 that'l do analog and digital... if i'm reading this spec sheet right

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queso:

I have never gotten this card to work right for me, honestly

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queso:

it would stutter with the hdtv under MCE

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rothga1:

can someone help me connect my frontend to my backend?

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rothga1:

I cannot get mysql to connect

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PSU:

do you guys know if the web server part is enabled by default on knoppmyth?

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imperfect-:

anyone seen this message: Taking too long to be allowed to read..

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queso:

rothga1: are you using the right password?

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rothga1:

ya, I already got it from /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt

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rothga1:

and I allowed all IP addresses to connect to the sql database using the documentation

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queso:

hmm, sounds right to me then

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rothga1:

but it still doesn't connect. I think the problem is when I change the host from localhost to the ip address

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queso:

anyone know the default path for videos on the backend server?

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rothga1:

as soon as I do that it can't connect, if I change the backend to it's own ip address it also errors out

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rothga1:

I am trying again right now with a different walk through but I don't know how it will go :(

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queso:

Does anyone know where "Watch my media" pulls it's files from?

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GreyFoxx:

I believe that's mythvideo and it depends on how you configure it

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GreyFoxx:

you tell it a directory

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GreyFoxx:

and you choose whether you browse the directory structure or if it pulls the info from what you import withthe video manager

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queso:

hmm

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queso:

I am using mac mythfrontend

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queso:

maybe I am missing a setting

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rothga1:

is that a ppc mac?

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queso:

no, intel

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queso:

macbook

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rothga1:

dang, I was going to say. that is quite a feat to get myth on a ppc mac

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GreyFoxx:

I believe many peopledo it on a ppc mac

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queso:

hmm, it appears there is a setting, but it assumes the media is on my local macbook

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queso:

not my backend server

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rothga1:

I haven't found "many" I found a few though. but most of them were very proficient in linux

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GreyFoxx:

queso: Mythvideo doesn't stream, itplays from thefilesystem

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GreyFoxx:

You can nfs mount your backend'svideo store

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queso:

nods, that is what I will do

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GreyFoxx:

I have /data/video on mybackend and I nfsmount it to /data/video on all my frontends

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queso:

you think nfs is the fastest sharing?

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GreyFoxx:

yes

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GreyFoxx:

nd not the cpu pick sambais

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GreyFoxx:

s/pick/pig

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RyeBrye:

I've used Myth on a PPC mac before

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RyeBrye:

works fine

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RyeBrye:

(the frontend that is)

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RyeBrye:

Both on a G4 and a G5

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rothga1:

so is it just the backend that has problems?

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RyeBrye:

I don't know

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RyeBrye:

I have a linux backend

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queso:

the frontend is working fine on intel mac too, just need to get my ducks in a row :)

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GreyFoxx:

the backend doesn't compile on ppc

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rothga1:

cause I was trying with a g5 tower but never got a backend to work

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RyeBrye:

Hm

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queso:

all these years, I wonder why I ever messed with windows :)

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RyeBrye:

backedn doesn't compile on ppc on either mac or linux? is it an endianness issue?

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GreyFoxx:

queso: I generally avoid it

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GreyFoxx:

My Wifes PC is the onlywindows machine here, and a couple servers at the office,

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** RyeBrye has no interest in a PPC Mac backend... why make a Mac do what an old del box can do just fine :) **

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GreyFoxx:

otherwise it's *nix of some sort or other

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queso:

my new linux backend box was my last windows machine

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rothga1:

RyeBrye: cause the mac is free and quiet

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queso:

until I put ubuntu on it today

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rothga1:

and has sata drives :)

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RyeBrye:

true

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RyeBrye:

If it's free... then yeah

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queso:

I was amazed... last time I messed with linux was redhat 7.1

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RyeBrye:

GreyFoxx – do you know of a way to break up a long process in a myth plugin that allows the user to cancel it by hitting escape? Chutt yesterday in #mythtv said I should either spawn a new thread or break the thing into chunks and use a qtimer to do the processing...

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GreyFoxx:

ok, that's enough playing with upnp for tonight, sleep time

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RyeBrye:

I'm just looking for some code example somewhere of either technique

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RyeBrye:

Oh, I see how it is ;)

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GreyFoxx:

I can't think of any code examples in there now to do that

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RyeBrye:

I'll just go scour over krugle

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RyeBrye:

get some sleep :P

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GreyFoxx:

other than the dvb channel scanner

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GreyFoxx:

you can cancel it

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RyeBrye:

Hmmmm.... I'll look at that piece

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RyeBrye:

It probably uses a myth progress dialog too

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RyeBrye:

perfect, thanks

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GreyFoxx:

have fun

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sPiN:

what can i do if mythtv thinks it is recording but it actually isnt

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sPiN:

i think it got killed one day when it was recording and there is some db key or something set and it thinks it is recording

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Loto:

restart the backend?

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sPiN:

no its been restarted dozens of times

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sPiN:

it wont let me watch live tv says something else is recording, but nothing is recording

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PSU:

does mythtv work on the back-side of a digital tuner box (the std scientific america one you rent)?

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RyeBrye:

Does the digital tuner box have firewire out?

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PSU:

hmm

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PSU:

not sure

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PSU:

so otherwise, the answer is no?

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RyeBrye:

Not necessarily

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PSU:

ok

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RyeBrye:

How does the tuner box output it's signal?

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PSU:

coax in and coax out

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RyeBrye:

If it has firewire out, then the answer is "yes, most likely very easily"

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RyeBrye:

Coax out?

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RyeBrye:

No composite out... strang

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PSU:

well i can look at it

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RyeBrye:

Well... I suppose you could just plug that into any old tv tuner card and your computer would act the same as a normal TV would on that connection

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PSU:

but that's how it was hooked up

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PSU:

that's what i tried

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RyeBrye:

Do you know what a firewire plug looks like?

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PSU:

but it was just static

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PSU:

yup

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RyeBrye:

Okay, look for one of those

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PSU:

will do

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RyeBrye:

they are required by law to have one

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RyeBrye:

but some don't

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RyeBrye:

(lawbreakers)

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RyeBrye:

If it has one, you are in luck... Just get a firewire card for your computer and you can capture straight digital content

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PSU:

k, thx

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pestilence:

does anybody sell pre-built mythtv boxes?

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pestilence:

(if not, why not?)

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tracy:

pestilence: i do believe ppl sell pre-built mythtv boxes

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xris:

there are a handful

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pestilence:

tracy, ok, how do i find them :)

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tracy:

google?

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xris:

mostly in AU, though

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pestilence:

it would be ideal if it came in a similar form factor to the tivo :)

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pestilence:

tracy, that idea had occured to me.

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xris:

pestilence: you're generally better off building your own for that sort of thing

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RyeBrye:

Give me 6 grand and I'll build you one in an old TiVo box itself :)

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** RyeBrye pulled that number out of his ass **

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** RyeBrye would still do it for that much though :) **

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pestilence:

xris, it depends on what you mean by "better off"

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xris:

pestilence: how about "you won't pay 5x more than you should)?

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pestilence:

it requires time, which i would rather spend doing other things.

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xris:

building the box is easy

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RyeBrye:

I'll even make it use a TiVo remote :)

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tracy:

xris, im a noob, how do i apply a patch to nuvinfo.pm? i have the code from a ticket

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pestilence:

xris, yes, but it still requires time

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xris:

pestilence: putting the hardware together is about 3% of the time required to set up a mythbox

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** tracy still attempting to get nuvexport working ;) **

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RyeBrye:

pestilence – seriously – how much do you want to spend and what specs do you want? (and where do you live?)

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xris:

tracy: in fc6?

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tracy:

yip

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tracy:

https://svn.forevermore.net/nuvexport/ticket/149

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pestilence:

xris, i've set up a mythtv box in the past. i have some understanding of what it entails.

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xris:

tracy: ffmpeg and fc6 don't get along.

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xris:

I submitted a bug (as best as I can, since it's just "post to the mailing list")

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pestilence:

RyeBrye, i am mainly just curious what it would take to get me going, minimal hardware and cost.

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xris:

tracy: that's different, though

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** xris curses his trac setup for never emailing him for tickets. **

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pestilence:

(and having it set up, as most end users of tivo do)

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tracy:

that is my problem i am having

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RyeBrye:

Well. SDTV or HDTV?

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pestilence:

RyeBrye, i'm in the US. i think the upper limit would be about $500

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xris:

pestilence: you'll never find one for sale for that price.

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pestilence:

considering you can get a 80 gig tivo for free

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xris:

low end of pre-built systems is around $2500

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RyeBrye:

You can build one for that easily

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pestilence:

xris, whoa. why would anybody in their right mind go for that over a tivo :)

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RyeBrye:

but probably note in a cute form factor

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pestilence:

you can pay for a lifetime of subscription for that price

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RyeBrye:

if you think TiVo will be around that long

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xris:

pestilence: can only get tivo in the US? tivo doesn't do HD?

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xris:

the HD tivo starts around $800, I think.

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pestilence:

xris, good point, but i live in the US and don't want HD :)

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tracy:

pestilence: but next year u will

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RyeBrye:

If you want an easy to use box and are willing to pay the subscription fees

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pestilence:

plus, i know people have frontends running on xboxes...which are far cheaper than 2500

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RyeBrye:

Then you probably want a TiVo

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xris:

pestilence: um, no one here will tell you that mythtv is cheaper/easier than tivo

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RyeBrye:

Yeah, but those front ends are not backends

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xris:

(if they do, I'll slap them)

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pestilence:

RyeBrye, ok, thanks for that advice.

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RyeBrye:

A front end does no good without a backend

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pestilence:

xris, ok, that's good to know.

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RyeBrye:

Yeah

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RyeBrye:

TiVo is rather slick

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xris:

pestilence: "better" is a matter of opinion.

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pestilence:

so, is it mainly the hobby factor?

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RyeBrye:

For me – it's because I could build a MythTV box for the cost of 1 year of TiVo fees

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xris:

I like being able to record straight from the firewire port on my cable box (HD box, but I don't have HD), or being able to skip/remove commercials and export to other formats.

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pestilence:

RyeBrye, so you built a box for under $300?

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RyeBrye:

I like the integrated MythGame frontend to handle emulators too :)

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RyeBrye:

$350 OR SO

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RyeBrye:

(woops, caps)

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RyeBrye:

If you want to get up early on Friday after thanksgiving, you could build one for cheaper than that

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pestilence:

and it records and plays back at decent compression quality?

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RyeBrye:

Yeah... the most expensive part was my hardware encoder card with dual tuners

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RyeBrye:

so the encoding is not a problem

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RyeBrye:

My base box was a $150 surplus dell machine from my work... P4 1.8 GHz machine with 256 megs RAM and 40 gig HD – I threw an extra 160 Gig HD into it I had lying around for a total of 200 gigs storage

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xris:

wtf, I only just not noticed that my nuvexport mailbox is gone from thunderbird.

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RyeBrye:

put in a $130 Hauppauge PVR-150 card

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xris:

with 72 new messages. damn. apologies for not responding to messages.

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PSU:

RyeBrye: funny!

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xris:

RyeBrye: $130?!?!

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RyeBrye:

and then put in a $30 GeForce 6200 128 meg card with TVout...

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RyeBrye:

I think it was $130 yeah

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PSU:

i just got a GX240 today and put a 350 card in it

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pestilence:

RyeBrye, is that a HD card? free to air?

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xris:

shouldn't be more than $70

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RyeBrye:

no, not HD

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RyeBrye:

Oh

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RyeBrye:

no

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RyeBrye:

Not PVR-150

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xris:

pestilence: pvr-150 is just an analog cable hardware encoder

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RyeBrye:

PVR-500

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pestilence:

ah, so it does mpeg encoding?

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** RyeBrye sometimes has his brain make bad connections late at night **

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xris:

pestilence: yes

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pestilence:

ah.

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RyeBrye:

It was a PVR-500... which is basically 2 PVR-150's on a single PCI card

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RyeBrye:

so dual-tuner hardware encoder

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RyeBrye:

so my CPU isn't taxxed at all by recording

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RyeBrye:

and with XvMC on my video out, it's not taxed at all on playback

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pestilence:

ah, that makes sense

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pestilence:

good to know. i ask because my mom just emailed me asking about "what is this tivo thing"

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pestilence:

so it made me wonder, could i buy a mythtv box (prebuilt) and drop it in their tv cabinet like a tivo

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PSU:

so do you want to buy the box i just built today pestilence? :)

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RyeBrye:

Hmmm

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pestilence:

and if so, how much would that cost

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pestilence:

i think you guys answered that :)

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PSU:

i think the problem would be you would need some tweaking

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pestilence:

PSU, how much?

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PSU:

at least from what i see

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PSU:

well i spent 140 on the PVR card

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PSU:

PC was a non-issue

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PSU:

from work :)

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RyeBrye:

Yeah

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RyeBrye:

Gotta love old work computers

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PSU:

:)

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PSU:

yup

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PSU:

stacked the ram

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PSU:

1.8 / 1gb ram

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PSU:

i don't know probably $400

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pestilence:

some intelligent capitalist should come along and market something based on mythtv (assuming the software is ready)

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PSU:

for the work i put into it

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rothga1:

can that 1.8 do HD?

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** RyeBrye is sad that his work has switched to those really dink form-factor computers that don't even have PCI slots now... so no future upgrades for his mythbox from his current employer **

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PSU:

not sure about HD on a 1.8

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PSU:

i just have std cable (well and digital)

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rothga1:

I was just wondering if you got it to work. My 1.8 definatly coludn't handle it :(

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tracy:

xris: just thought i would let u know, that patch in that ticket *looks* like it worked for me

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xris:

tracy: yeah, looking now.

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RyeBrye:

rothga1 – handle recording or playback?

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PSU:

pestilence: i'd sell it for $400 but couldn't guarantee it would work perfectly (like a tivo) at your house

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RyeBrye:

with XvMC and a beefy video card, it should be able to handle the playback, shouldn't it?

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rothga1:

both (it was a frontend/backend box)

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xris:

tracy: that'd make sense. would have been nice if the ffmpeg people pointed that out to me.

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pestilence:

PSU, it would be ok for me, as i know how to tinker. but not for my parents :)

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pestilence:

i don't have cable, so it's a non-issue for me :)

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xris:

anyway, re-found my nuvexport inbox. funny, lots of email piled up there.

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PSU:

haah

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xris:

and yet still no ticket emails. blech.

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PSU:

pestilence: PM

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xris:

I'll have to fix that later tonight, too.

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pestilence:

PSU, ?

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PSU:

i sent you a PM :P

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pestilence:

hmm. don't think i got it.

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PSU:

ok try to send me on

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PSU:

*one

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pestilence:

strange. seemed to send just fine.

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PSU:

u aren't getting my responses?

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PSU:

i got your PM

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pestilence:

no

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PSU:

let's try dcc-chat

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rothga1:

I had a nvidia fx6200 in that box

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PSU:

argh

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rothga1:

and I am trying to get my frontend connected to the backend to see if it will handle HD

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rothga1:

but I am having problems (which is why I am here)

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RyeBrye:

oh, gotcha

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sekitan:

what is "transcode failed with status: 252"? can't find a list of exit codes for transcode...

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RyeBrye:

What version of Qt is myth built with? Not 4.2 is it?

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xris:

RyeBrye: should still work with 3.x

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RyeBrye:

I was just wondering what docs I should be looking at to understand how to work with Qt functions

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Andui1:

RyeBrye: Qt 3.1 is still supported so look at those

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RyeBrye:

Ok

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xris:

yay for the nuvexport ticket emails flowing freely again

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** xris curses his incompetent sysadmin **

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** RyeBrye goes to submit a few hundred nuvexport tickets ;) **

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gnuyen:

hi, the page about using irblasters on myth seems to be down

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gnuyen:

is there a mirror?

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gnuyen:

or another howto

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gnuyen:

somewhere?

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cesman:

hello, perhaps google?

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Captain_Murdoch:

people might know of a mirror if you told them what page you were tying to get to to begin with. (not me, just making a point)

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Captain_Murdoch:

google is your best bet though, in it's cache or by searching.

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gnuyen:

http://mythblasterz.gotdns.com/

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gnuyen:

i tried google but maybe i'm just dumb

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capt-silver:

is mythmusic made by the developers of mythtv ?

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wireddd_:

is there a thinclient that comes with linux preinstalled that has the horsepower to run mythfrontend?

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fysa:

Is the OS X frontend usable?

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wireddd_:

I would imagine

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fysa:

A PPC Mini may make a decent front-end for cheap soon.

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xris:

wireddd_: thin client?

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xris:

nothing with mythtv preinstalled

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xris:

xbox seems to work well enough for people, though

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fysa:

oh, there you go.

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fysa:

forgot about that one.

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wireddd_:

I could never get the xbox client to work properly

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fysa:

isn't there a MythTV script for XBMC?

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wireddd_:

the xbmc mythtv plugin I mean

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fysa:

you can also run the real mythfrontend, wireddd.

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gnuyen:

i use an xbox

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gnuyen:

but xbmcmyth

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fysa:

how does it look?

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gnuyen:

cuz for me, it was a little slow to run linux and regular myth

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fysa:

do you get an actual programming guide?

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fysa:

and recording options? or you use mythweb to setup recordings?

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gnuyen:

i use mythfrontend on another machine

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gnuyen:

to setup recording

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gnuyen:

sometimes mythweb

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gnuyen:

you do in fact get guide data

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fysa:

can you watch live TV?

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gnuyen:

but i dont' like that interface anyway

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fysa:

or is it just recordings?

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gnuyen:

supports live tv

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fysa:

cool.

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gnuyen:

used to do it through smb

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gnuyen:

i dunno how it does it now

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gnuyen:

anyone get myth working with a coolsat 5000 platinum?

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fysa:

I want a PSP frontend. ;)

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gnuyen:

to change channels etc

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gnuyen:

they moved animal planet to digital cable so i'm swithcing to satellite

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gnuyen:

and want to attach the decoder to my mythbox

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gnuyen:

and either have it change channels via irblaster

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gnuyen:

or serial if possible

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gnuyen:

unfortunately the irblaster mythtv website seems to be down

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xris:

tracy: your fix does seem to work (though I changed it slightly). New version will be pushed out tonight when I'm done closing other bugs.

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kraut:

moin

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xris:

yay for updated nuvexport.

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robbins876:

My roommate just installed mythtv on ubuntu and got it connected to my backend, everything is working great, but I noticed something that is missing from myth in fedora... when you click esc to get out the program in ubuntu, it gives the option to quit myth and shutdown the computer... how can i get that in fedora? or will it not do that since this frontend is also the backend?

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cesman:

get what, the option to shutdown?

[07:58:45]

robbins876:

yeah

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capt-silver:

i have jsut started to use the 'Videos' in MythTv. Anything I want to save, or is really a long time favourite, i move into the Videos folder . The 'tv' folder is too dynamic and may get expired. I have noticed that Xvid/MPEG4 videos in Mythtv display a really weird pink jaggy pschedelic effect.

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otwin:

robbins876: not sure if it still is that way in 0.20 but in previous versions this did not work on backends, only on frontends

[08:01:06]

robbins876:

oh, Alright, well maybe I should set up a different box to run as the backend, rather than my standard desktop

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cesman:

I cannot recalling seeing the shutdown option on a backend and I've running MythTV for almost 4 years now...

[08:05:19]

robbins876:

alright, so maybe it's just a frontend thing

[08:05:28]

otwin:

robbins876: that is what i do, but you could try to set 'AllowQuitShutdown' to 4 in your settings table and see if it changes sth. if your comfortable with mysql or phpmyadmin

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gnuyen:

i've seen it before

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robbins876:

no, i'm not very comfortable with that... i'll just deal with standing up to turn off my damn monitor

[08:08:32]

cesman:

why not make an entry in the menu?

[08:08:40]

robbins876:

I have no idea how to do that

[08:09:02]

gnuyen:

i bought 3 pvr 250s a while ago

[08:09:05]

gnuyen:

and one of them came with a remote

[08:09:11]

gnuyen:

and has a hole for an IR blaster

[08:09:22]

gnuyen:

did it probably come with an ir blaster?

[08:09:28]

gnuyen:

or do i ahve to buy one

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cesman:

as far as I'm aware, no 250 comes with an irblaster

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cesman:

the 150 does however

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gnuyen:

so it just has the port?

[08:10:55]

gnuyen:

it came with a remote

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cesman:

that port is where the ir receiver for the remote plugs in

[08:11:58]

gnuyen:

yeah

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gnuyen:

can i use that?

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cesman:

robbins876: you can edit mainmenu.xml

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gnuyen:

ohwait

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gnuyen:

that's just for receiving

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gnuyen:

can you buy irblasters from frys/

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cesman:

I've no idea if frys seels irblaster

[08:13:02]

cesman:

you can make one or buy one online

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gnuyen:

does anyone know of a card that works with mythtv that takes HD input on component cables?

[08:19:32]

cesman:

no such card current exists

[08:20:09]

gnuyen:

damn

[08:20:19]

gnuyen:

so there is no way to record hd content from an external box

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cesman:

firewire

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xris:

gnuyen: firewire from HD cable box.

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xris:

no way from a satellite box.

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gnuyen:

ah

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gnuyen:

can all directv boxes be controlled with rs232

[08:21:55]

xris:

no clue

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gnuyen:

thansk

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gnuyen:

you have been very helpful

[08:27:39]

gnuyen:

is there a page on how to control boxes with rs232 from mythtv?

[08:27:51]

gnuyen:

the wiki doesn't seem to have anything

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xris:

"from mythtv" doesn't matter

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xris:

mythtv will just call a shell script (or whatever)

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xris:

google should give you some info on how to write a script/program (or point you to some preexisting ones)

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banyan:

I had a quick look through the mail lists and didn't find an explaiation for this — mythfrontend and mythtv-setup crash before they display anything now, after a reboot to kernel 2.6.18–1.2849.fc6...

[08:34:21]

banyan:

however they will run in a vnc server window. oddly enough.

[08:36:38]

banyan:

I have a hunch it's got to do with the nvidia driver... unsure.

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gnuyen:

do other opengl programs crash

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Hoxzer:

Is there any way to "hide" records ?

[09:03:32]

juski:

I keep some of my records in a few big boxes in the attic. Properly sealed to protect the precious 12" vinyl of course

[09:04:00]

Hoxzer:

Yeah, but I dont want my father to notice "Mysterious clitoris" document that was just recorded

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natoka:

Hoxzer: perhaps moving away from your storage path?

[09:04:20]

Hoxzer:

no! , I rename it

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juski:

if you use mythvideo, just move the recording to mythvideo & apply a parental controls setting

[09:05:01]

natoka:

Hoxzer: i'd say there'd be the propability then that it might get played by accident

[09:05:11]

Hoxzer:

natoka: :D

[09:06:01]

Hoxzer:

Well, I dont think they will slay me for it but at least my mom will come "Well I know that you are recording porn ;)"

[09:06:17]

Hoxzer:

"we know it, it is alright "

[09:06:29]

Hoxzer:

"We know what you do every evening"

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Hoxzer:

that is so sickening

[09:08:25]

natoka:

Hoxzer: that's the way of life ;) – at least as long as you're not inventive enough to hide it ;)

[09:11:09]

Hoxzer:

yeah, but what sucks in this is that recording is document not a porn but my parents are so fucking noobs that they automatically identify porn as bare tits and vagina

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natoka:

long lives encryption & symlinking ;0

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juski:

the joys of living at home with your parents

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juski:

I think I prefer having to pay my mortgage ;)

[09:32:37]

juski:

anybody here made a faster booting ubuntu? mine is taking 1'40" to come up to the desktop

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pat_:

I prefer having my wife work to pay the mortgage

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pat_:

I just need to keep mythtv working for her to keep her happy

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juski:

haha

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pat_:

she is extra happy with the softpad branch, it makes my life so much easier

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levander:

Are some video cards coming with HDMI outs? I can't find them on newegg.

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Dagmar:

You're not using their search engine then.

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levander:

Dagmar: just found one...

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Dagmar:

Yeah, it helps when you actually look.

[09:55:29]

levander:

up, no, that's not an HDMI

[09:56:25]

Dagmar:

Not to point out the painfully obvious, but HDMI is for audio and video.

[09:56:29]

Dagmar:

Video cards don't output audio.

[09:56:36]

Dagmar:

Stop chasing buzzwords and use your brain.

[09:56:44]

levander:

oh wait, i found one

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Dagmar:

DVI output is as good as it gets.

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Dagmar:

DVI output is likely to be *more* useful than an HDMI connection anyway

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levander:

Dagmar: no, i want HDMI

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Dagmar:

So

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levander:

so what?

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pat_:

aren't there dvi -> hdmi cables?

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Dagmar:

So use the bloody search features on NewEgg

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levander:

Dagmar: i am, i found an hdmi out

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levander:

pat_: thanks, i'll look into that

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Dagmar:

...and in case you're wondering why the strong reaction, NewEgg's number one power feature is the search and filter capabilities it has, which are more powerful than just about a dozen other eCommerce sites combined.

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levander:

Dagmar: no, that's okay, i wasn't wondering

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levander:

i know why

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pat_:

http://store.pagecomputers.com/store/productl . . . p;scs=NEXTAG

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pat_:

*shrug*

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levander:

pat_: cool, thanks

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juski:

maybe searching for "vga card for mythtv with hdmi" isn't the best way though ;)

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qu0zl:

lads, the motherboard i'm using for my mythtv pvr has 2 mini-pci slots on it. I'm looking for some techy fun. Anything useful/cool I can put in mini-pci? ANd don't say wireless :)

[10:06:14]

levander:

I wonder if there there's any advantage to having an HDMI port on your video card over just using one of these DVI/HDMI cables

[10:06:20]

levander:

juski: good point ;)

[10:06:38]

juski:

a mini-pci tuner card of course!

[10:06:41]

qu0zl:

i'd mostly like a pvr-500 for mini-pci, but short of cutting one down to size :)

[10:06:44]

qu0zl:

hehe, snap

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Paladine:

weirdness

[10:07:15]

Paladine:

I recorded a show last night

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levander:

qu0zl: how about an LCD display that will fit in an optical drive slot? and, figure out how to display the name of the current song or show on the LCD

[10:07:25]

Paladine:

it is in the relevant directory

[10:07:34]

Paladine:

but it is not appearing in the Watch Recordings list

[10:07:48]

qu0zl:

hmm, i don't have an optical drive slot in the case, but an lcd controller isn't a bad idea

[10:08:06]

qu0zl:

plus a google for mini-p[ci tuner actually throws up ones that support hardware mpeg2 encoding! though probably not in linux

[10:09:19]

pat_:

levander, I gave away one of those that I made two days ago

[10:09:39]

pat_:

you can get the bits for next to nothing, and use lcdserver

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pat_:

what you display on it is up to you

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levander:

pat_: after i finally get my myth box going and settled, after that, a play project for me will probably be to get an lcd going

[10:10:48]

pat_:

I ran out of care

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pat_:

and besides, I've got rid of approximately 200kg of computer gear in the last two weeks

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pat_:

I'm nearly back to just what I actually use

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levander:

I'm reading a forum thread on Ars Technica that says 7300 nVidia cards really aren't beefy enough for 1080i, they're suggesting the 7600. But, they're probably talking about MCE

[10:11:30]

pat_:

only one box of junk left

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Paladine:

not throwing it away I hope?

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levander:

pat_: I may be headed in the wrong direction with old computer gear. I just bought some plastic bins to store it in. Although, I did throw some stuff away when I was putting it all in. I still had an old parallel port Zip drive in my pile of junk.

[10:13:00]

levander:

Paladine: hell yeah I'm throwing it away, that stuff just junks up the place if you don't.

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pat_:

I called some friends, and got rid of some on ebay

[10:13:44]

pat_:

there is always the humbug meeting for the last of it

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levander:

humbug meeting?

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pat_:

sit it out the front, say "free stuff" and watch the vultures rush in

[10:14:07]

pat_:

http://www.humbug.org.au/

[10:14:17]

Paladine:

I never throw kit away

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Paladine:

much to the annoyance of missus

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pat_:

it got to a silly point where one of the spare bedrooms just had computer stuff in it

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levander:

pat_: the description of that DVI/HDMI cable says that HDMI handles higher-bandwidth. I wonder if filtering through DVI, if you're really getting the full use of HDMI

[10:15:08]

Paladine:

I just inherited 20 free computer cases and assorted kit

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Paladine:

hehe

[10:15:27]

pat_:

levander: *shrug* I use sd, with svideo out :)

[10:15:49]

levander:

pat_: me too initially, but i'll upgrade within a year of getting the myth box

[10:15:53]

juski:

time to try & save some bootup time

[10:16:32]

pat_:

if the box is just for myth you should be able to murder most of the services which start up, saving yourself considerable startup time

[10:17:38]

levander:

wikipedia says if you use DVI to HDMI, the audio and "remote control" features of HDMI will not be available. I wonder what "remote control" features HDMI has.

[10:19:42]

juski:

HDMI has stuff to encripple content

[10:19:50]

juski:

HDCP :(

[10:22:59]

levander:

i wish they'd get this HDTV bullshit straightened out, I'm having to go look up if I have a DVI-I / DVI-D / DVI-A out right now

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levander:

and, I'm not even sure which I want.

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pat_:

shrug, one day I'll get a card with component out and be totally underwhelmed to the difference from svideo I'm sure

[10:24:03]

levander:

well, apparently i have dvi-i

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pat_:

(I've got a dirty big widescreen crt telly)

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qu0zl:

you've no bleeding of the reds on your tv pat_?

[10:24:40]

kambei:

Dirty?

[10:24:46]

qu0zl:

i've some and i blame the s-video connector, and the crap tv of course

[10:25:00]

pat_:

well, dusty :)

[10:25:09]

pat_:

no, picture looks fine

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levander:

apparently, dvi-d – the d is for digital, dvi-a – the a is for analog, and dvi-i – is both analog and digital

[10:25:46]

levander:

I have dvi-i, so I guess that's good?

[10:26:04]

juski:

better than just dvi-a that's for sure :)

[10:28:15]

qu0zl:

juski, mini-pci tuner with hardware mpeg2 encoding, supported by ivtv http://www.yuan.com.tw/ch/products/vdo_mpc622.html

[10:28:16]

qu0zl:

score :)

[10:28:38]

pat_:

as for the analogue video out standards you can compare them at http://www.hifi-writer.com/he/video/index.htm

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pat_:

it has pretty pictures :)

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Dagmar:

DVI is quite fine, actually.

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levander:

my old leadtek 6200 has dvi-i but it says that dvi-i port only has dvi-d support?

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Dagmar:

Sign #1: Monitors have it as an input, and monitors have to typically deal delivering a much sharper reproduction than was previously even considered reasonable for TV

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juski:

bastard. minimyth 0.20–20 has the same playback problem as 0.20–19

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Dagmar:

juski: Well, that gives people a good idea of where to start looking tho, so that's good

[10:31:12]

kambei:

What is minimyth?

[10:31:26]

Dagmar:

A "lite" install of MythTV, with a minimal OS component

[10:31:39]

Dagmar:

Kind of like Damn Small Linux

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kambei:

I see.

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kambei:

Oh, I have a problem.

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Dagmar:

Well, the first step is admitting you have a problem.

[10:32:28]

kambei:

I had one PVR-150 in my machine, and the remote worked fine.

[10:32:43]

kambei:

I put a second card in the machine, and now the remote doesn't work.

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Dagmar:

What kinda remote is it?

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kambei:

Silver Hauppauge

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kambei:

I have tried plugging the dongle into both cards.

[10:33:29]

kambei:

The IR dongle, that is.

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Dagmar:

Ah-ha!

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Dagmar:

Betcha the detection of the IR stuff is going awry

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kambei:

Meaning what?

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juski:

so minimal it can't even play back sdtv without xvmc on my 1ghz cpu. funny but ubuntu does just fine

[10:34:27]

Dagmar:

My Myth box is offline right now or I'd poke at the module options for ivtv

[10:34:59]

Dagmar:

kambei: Try `modopts ivtv`

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levander:

Most of these nVidia 8800 cards don't even have VGA out, only DVI

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Dagmar:

Sorry, modinfo, not modopts

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kambei:

What am I to look for?

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Dagmar:

modinfo will give you a summarized (barely human readable) list of the options a module accepts

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Merlin83b:

kambei: I had to change lirc input device when I did that. Look in dmesg from bootup and it'll tell you they're using something like /dev/event2

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Merlin83b:

Try those and you may have some luck.

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Dagmar:

I'd say you want to look for one that forces the IR module detection on or off

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Merlin83b:

But I suppose that was for Nova-Ts not 150s.

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** juski disables LAN booting **

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juski:

or rather doesn't because whatever the minimyth 0.20–20 kernel does, fucks USB

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Dagmar:

They probably left out a goodly chunk of the hotplugging stuff

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juski:

nah

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juski:

used to work _fine_

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juski:

it's since they started putting stuff in for non epia boards :(

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kambei:

Merlin83b: But wouldn't one of the cards work if that were the issue?

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juski:

wakeonlan stopped working after shutdowns a few versions ago

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Dagmar:

One may be getting detected, and then overridden by the second one

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kambei:

Okay.

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Dagmar:

...or it may be deciding there's two of them, and you're having it try to read the wrong one

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Dagmar:

Do you know how to get *all* the syslog data the ivtv modules chatter as they load?

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juski:

yay for ubuntu just _working_

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Dagmar:

If you could pastebin it, we might be able to spot something

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Dagmar:

I've got to try to decide on a new case tonight

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kambei:

For what?

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Dagmar:

eh?

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kambei:

For a Myth box?

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Dagmar:

Yeah

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kambei:

I have the Antec Fusion.

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kambei:

It's really nice.

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Dagmar:

The one I'm using is beat. I need to strip and repaint it at the very least, and figure out how to re-thread most of the screw holes

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kambei:

Not to mention, the display is supported.

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Dagmar:

Plus I need to order three new HD coolers, a few 3.5<->5.25 mounting kits, and a new power supply just to be safe

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Dagmar:

I'm finally suffering from the power supply not having quite the power along hte 12V rail that its' probably supposed to with this new motherboard

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Dagmar:

At interesting intervals, X dies and the machine hard locks

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kambei:

What mobo?

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Dagmar:

For X to die *first* is kind of telling as to what exactly is blowing up

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Dagmar:

ASRock 939dual-SATA2

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kambei:

Full ATX?

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Dagmar:

I know the board is fine, I've got one in my main gaming/devel machine as well, and I torture the hell out of it

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Dagmar:

Yeah, it's a normal ATX motherbaord

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Dagmar:

But I've got an old 350W in my Myth box

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pat_:

http://www-dsg.stanford.edu/papers/triad/triad.html <- someone has been smoking crack

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kambei:

That could very well be the problem.

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Dagmar:

Yeah, like i said, I strongly suspect the 12V rail.

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Dagmar:

It's only good for about 19A

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Dagmar:

Between the PVR-500, the three hard drives, the optical drive and the video card, I think i'm probably pushing it over the limit

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Dagmar:

Not in wattage, but in how many amps the PSU can push out

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levander:

pat_: why is that guy smoking crack? sounds just like another boring network protocol for people who need something like that

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Dagmar:

I'm plenty below 350W

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Dagmar:

levander: Probably because there's already ISCSI for this sort of thing

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Dagmar:

BUT, as long as what he proposes is solid, it's probably good enough to complete his thesis requirements

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levander:

that paper is dated in 2000, maybe he was trying to compete with whatever ISCSI is

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juski:

woo shaved 10 secs off my boot time. 1'30" now

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Dagmar:

Looks like he lost then.. :)

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Dagmar:

What he's outlined in that paper seems to be a lot more complex than what I've been seeing deployed

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Dagmar:

The crashes could also be the other cheap-ass drive cooler dying, but I doubt it

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juski:

another 5secs off boot time

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Dagmar:

hardware hibernation FTW!

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juski:

1'25" isn't bad.

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juski:

yeah I'm gonna try that now

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pat_:

you've stripped drivers from the kernel?

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kambei:

I am getting the following error in dmesg repeated over and over.

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kambei:

i2c_adapter i2c-1: master_xfer[0] R, addr=0x71, len=6

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pat_:

(ie, don't compile them in)

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Dagmar:

Yep. The drivers are fighting over which one gets to talk to the IR recievers

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kambei:

So, what's my next move?

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juski:

whoah. that's nifty!

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juski:

now I just need to get the machine not to lock the desktop when I suspend

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Dagmar:

You *might* want to post to one of the ivtv lists and ask them how they'd suggest untangling that. Someone's BOUND to have encountered this before.

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kambei:

Where do I find the ivtv lists?

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kambei:

So this is an ivtv problem?

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juski:

btw this is a useful page for easy boottime reduction on ubuntu :) http://doc.gwos.org/index.php/Speed_up_boot

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qu0zl:

juski, what login manager are you using? I removed gdm and boot straight into a bare X with ratpoison WM

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qu0zl:

speed things up a fair bit

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qu0zl:

sped

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muxx:

hello everyone. I would appreciate any advice on how to minimise memory used by mythfrontend

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kambei:

qu0zl: How did you choose to boot straight into X?

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qu0zl:

updated the upstart init.d replacement to launch X on term6 at boot

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muxx:

I guess the thirst thing to do is probably to use one of image-less themes. the box I am running it on only has a CF card and possibly some swap over the network

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juski:

qu0zl: I'm toying with getting rid of gdm

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qu0zl:

so upstart (the edgy eft init replacement) starts X as mythtv at boot, and mythtvs .xinitc launchs ratpoison and mythfrontend

[11:18:14]

qu0zl:

the wiki has a handy ubuntu mythtv page that describes how to do it juski. though fi you're on edgy editing /etc/inittab won't do what it used to, it'll just be silently ignored. that's now controlled by the upstart conf directory files

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qu0zl:

do you mean disk storage space muxx? not ram? how small are you trying to get it? would you try something like minimyth instead of doing it yourself?

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muxx:

no. I mean VRAM usage

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Merlin83b:

RAM's cheap, buy more :)

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Merlin83b:

How much do you have?

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muxx:

there's no problem with disc storage space. but there is no local swap

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muxx:

it is not possible. it's an xbox.

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muxx:

64M

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juski:

I tried wedgie last night. it was bum :( mythfrontend segfaulted the minute it started. prolly only missing themes or summat but it was a bad 1st impression

[11:21:00]

qu0zl:

i like edgy, it's been stable for me so far. which is unusual tbh ;)

[11:21:23]

qu0zl:

normally it takes lots of tweaking to make my systems stable :)

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qu0zl:

oh, except my nvidia xvmc gives me pre-buffer pauses :( so i just went back to ffmpeg. I think the problem is the onboard devices on my new motherboard all have pci-bus latencies of 0 and refuse to change.

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quicksil1er:

muxx: remote swap is perfectly feasible with a good network connection

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quicksil1er:

muxx: however that doesn't really answer your question

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muxx:

quicksil1er> I will add network swap. the question is how do I minimise the use of it

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juski:

I like this sysv-rc-conf thingy

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juski:

why I had brltty going I dunno

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muxx:

uicksil1er> btw, I know this is OT, but what network swap would you suggest ? afais, both NFS and NBD swaps are far from stable and require kernel patches

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qu0zl:

muxx, i dunno if you'd be interested but http://www.xbox-linux.org/wiki/Upgrading_Xbox_RAM_HOWTO

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qu0zl:

you can add anther 64megs of ram into pre v1.6 xboxes if you are a good solderer

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juski:

sudo rebootski :)

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muxx:

qu0zl> I looked into that. I an do that, no problem, but I'd rather make mythfrontend eat less memory tbh

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Dagmar:

Too many letters to type

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Dagmar:

Half the time I just reboot with my mouse

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qu0zl:

aye muxx, i'm just not that optomistic about it all running in 64 megs of ram tbh

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Dagmar:

double-button triple-click FTW!

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muxx:

qu0zl> currently it runs both the frontend and the backend with some swapping. I am removing the backend

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qu0zl:

cool, and the swapping doesn't cause video/audio stuttering?

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muxx:

qu0zl> I'd add RAM, but buying and soldering it is more hassle and money than taking a similar pc and scrapping the xbox altogether

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qu0zl:

i agree muxx, just mentioned it in case you didn't know and in case you were the kind of person who enjoyed that sort of thing

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qu0zl:

there's a few of them in here. this is a linux enthusiast channel ;)

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muxx:

qu0zl> when it starts, it is a bit jerky. after a couple of seconds it settles down and works flawlessly

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qu0zl:

cool

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muxx:

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qu0zl:

aye, not my cup of tea either tbh

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muxx:

so the original question was how to make mythfrontend use less ram, either by custom compilation, or with some other tweaking.

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juski:

one line added to rc.local...

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muxx:

afaiu, the mere removing of background images would save a coulple of megs.

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juski:

muxx: don't use my new theme when it'd released then. pfft. 20 megs & counting

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qu0zl:

muxx, you could recompile with optomisations for size not speed. pick a smaller theme, even replace the images yourself.

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juski:

s/it'd/it's

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muxx:

yeah, I am recompiling this very moment

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muxx:

is there an image-less theme ?

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juski:

user not authorised to run X.. hmmmm

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qu0zl:

hmm, i remember that error juski, trying to remember where you have to add the user to auth them to start x

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pat_:

yay for me, I've got it working!

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qu0zl:

sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg juski

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qu0zl:

and tick the option to allow non-root to launch x

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Dagmar:

muxx: Compile with -Os and cross your fingers

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visit0r:

ok, no clue how to enable the RTC timing method without sudo?

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Dagmar:

visit0r: You need the kernel module, and you need to put the uid that the frontend will run under into the group that's been blessed for the kernel module.

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Dagmar:

...or you need PAM.

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juski:

qu0zl: no option for that. glad I backed up my xorg.conf now :)

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qu0zl:

hmm :(

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visit0r:

Dagmar: which kernel module? the RTC works with sudo so I suppose kernel side is OK... which group?

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juski:

chmod 6755 /usr/bin/X (I think)....

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visit0r:

ok, I'll try

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muxx:

guys, I know this is probably reflected in the manual, but since I am here, I thought I'd better ask

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qu0zl:

juski, dpkg-reconfigure x11-common

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muxx:

I am going to migrate from 0.18 CVS build to a recent release. how much hassle is there in converting the database ?

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qu0zl:

sorry, i gave you the wrong package name last time

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juski:

cheers qu0zl :)

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juski:

muxx: back up your database. back it up! back up the db!

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muxx:

juski> sure. 8) what then ?

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juski:

muxx: when you're sure the db is backed up, then you can upgrade. just install it & the 1st time mythtv-setup runs (assuming you don't autostart mythbackend) it'll upgrade the db schema

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muxx:

and it will import everything, including existing recordings, DVB setup etc ?

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juski:

yeh

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juski:

it's supposed to be painless

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muxx:

juski> nice ! thanks very much

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juski:

but your db backup will come in handy if you want to roll back

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Dagmar:

I've never had it break yet

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juski:

because you can't just _downgrade_ a database ;)

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** Inkubot freets **

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Inkubot:

freets/greets

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Inkubot:

xD

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juski:

bollocks. the mythtv user's .xinitrc isn't being honoured

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qu0zl:

how are you launching X juski? Is it via /etc/events/ttyN ?

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juski:

rc.local

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GreyFoxx:

what is the line you use ?

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qu0zl:

i'd add respawn /bin/su – mythtv -c "/usr/bin/startx" to /etc/events/tt6 on edgy juski

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GreyFoxx:

I had a similar situation when I first did it

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qu0zl:

that way if mythfrontend dies it'll be auto-respawned too

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qu0zl:

and the startx script checks $HOME/.xinitrc

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GreyFoxx:

juski: su – mythtv -c "bash -l startx — -dpi 100" &

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GreyFoxx:

tht's what I use

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juski:

sudo -u mythtv "X"

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Dagmar:

No wonder

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qu0zl:

the startx script does the referencing to .xinitrc juski

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** Dagmar tsktsks at Juski **

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juski:

that's better!

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qu0zl:

:)

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juski:

now I just need a wm

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Dagmar:

Nah

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Dagmar:

I'm still not using one

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qu0zl:

i'm using ratpoison, it's cool. you can do stuff like ctl-t, ctrl-t to launch an xterm. it's mouseless

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qu0zl:

plus apparently it has lirc support, but i havent bothered trying it yet

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juski:

I need to use a wm until I've tried out the Internal player some more

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Dagmar:

It beats the hell out of those ugly boxes mplayer has

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juski:

oh god. installing ratpoison also set it up. whetever the hell that means

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qu0zl:

heh nothing probably, i had to add it to the start of my .xinitrc to get it to launch :)

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qu0zl:

maybe gdm uses it now too ;)

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juski:

I've stopped gdm loading already

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GreyFoxx:

It means it now has your credit card and banking info, so everytime you start it the author charges you 50p

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GreyFoxx:

:)

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Dagmar:

juski: it's probably in /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc is what it means

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juski:

so I've got ratpoison

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juski:

/usr/bin/mythfrontend

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juski:

in my .xinitrc for the mythtv user now

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juski:

is that enough?

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qu0zl:

/usr/bin/nvidia-settings --load-config-only &

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Dagmar:

GreyFoxx: They're partnering with EA Sports now, eh?

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GreyFoxx:

hehe

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juski:

qu0zl: not using nviddyer :)

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qu0zl:

cool

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qu0zl:

xset -dpms s off

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qu0zl:

xsetroot -solid black

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qu0zl:

i put that at the start of my .xinitrc

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Dagmar:

You like monitor burnin?

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qu0zl:

i never leave the tv on unless i'm using it

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Dagmar:

I leave DPMS on. I actually wish I could hoook it's trigger so I could send some stuff to turn the TV off

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juski:

Dagmar: get an IR blaster ;)

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Dagmar:

I may well find a way soon, I've been spelunking hte Xorg course

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Dagmar:

juski: I'm the one who put the IguanaWorks high-powered transciever mention in the wiki

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Dagmar:

It's so damn bright it shoots around corners

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juski:

haha

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juski:

just some minor tweaks left if this all works

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Dagmar:

I don't have anything resembling line of sight on it,, and it still detects my remote keypresses

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juski:

and making the damn thing diskless of course :)

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juski:

hrm. X has started ok, but no mythfrontend

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qu0zl:

you put a & after ratpoison juski?

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Dagmar:

You probably forgot a &

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qu0zl:

otherwise it'll block on that

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Dagmar:

He beat me to it

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juski:

I was wondering about that ;)

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Dagmar:

Without doing `ratpoison &` you'll need to find some sort of ~/.ratpoisonrc to stick yer mythfrontend command in

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Dagmar:

This is why I just brutalize /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc with everything.

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juski:

when it's all nice & diskless I can experiment & maybe upgrade to wedgie sometime & try upstart

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qu0zl:

ahh you're on dapper juski?

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juski:

aye

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juski:

wooyeah. autoloady ftw

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qu0zl:

heh, my upstart related directions weren't the most useful so :)

[12:21:05]

juski:

I can read between lines ya know

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qu0zl:

:)

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Dagmar:

...and later you can try out stab-in-the-eye, and profuse-sphincter-hemmoraghing

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juski:

rofl

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Dagmar:

wtf were they thinking naming it wedgie

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juski:

always wanted to try the latter but I was gonna wait until I got MRSA

[12:22:42]

juski:

if we ever get a decent bonus at work again I'm gonna buy me a proper frontend

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qu0zl:

tbh Dagmar, after warty and dapper edgy seems almost sane

[12:22:48]

juski:

epia is nice but slow as hell

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Dagmar:

qu0zl: Well, I'm hearing good enough things that I'm probably going to start pillaging their technology in a week or two more

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Dagmar:

Mainly to get rid of some of these damn gnome bugs no one will admit to

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qu0zl:

edgy is really nice, more polished than dapper

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qu0zl:

though i'm not using gnome so who knows :)

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Dagmar:

...and then the emails will be going out berating people for using unclean build environments

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Dagmar:

Particularly their Firefox build

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Dagmar:

There's a foul thing they're doing with libxpcom that's hiding an actual build bug in another package

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juski:

blech. no digital audio output here

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juski:

oo damn. lipsync is off

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juski:

realtime priority threads sorted that lipsync issue

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juski:

huh?

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juski:

only get digital audio output when IEC958 is turned down to 0 in alsamixer

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Dagmar:

Interesting.

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tracy:

big thanks to whoever worked on mytharchive..... I love it

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juski:

right I think this is ready for the lounge now

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juski:

bugger

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juski:

lirc daemon is trying to load the lirc module & complaining that setserial still hasn't happened

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juski:

so I'm guessing that the lirc daemon is starting before setserial has run

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juski:

grrr

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juski:

wonder if I can add a depend to lirc's init file

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juski:

trying just editing the lirc init file instead

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juski:

yay this time I have /dev/lirc0 :)

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axios:

hello

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axios:

Im thinking of buying a dvb-c tv tuner card

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axios:

I've been reading about some of these

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axios:

http://linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/PCI_devices_DVB-C

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axios:

are there any of them, that is a sure winner with mythtv?

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axios:

I need the Common Interface thingy

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juski:

dammit. internal player produces super weird high pitched noise thru spdif

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D-side:

i remember reading about that somewhere

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D-side:

the problem with my above statement is, i've read many things in the last 24hrs. heh

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D-side:

still trying to decide what HD card I want. I'd love to have one that does analog also, so i can ditch a 250.

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|Torg|:

D-Side that would in fact be two tuners in one card

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D-side:

|Torg|: i realize that.

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juski:

D-side: this? http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/ . . . pdif;#229998

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imperfect-:

I'm using a Air2PC card

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imperfect-:

and I've gotten decent results.

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imperfect-:

However, I can't watch HD content over my 100mbp wired ethernet.

[13:41:16]

imperfect-:

;)

[13:41:22]

imperfect-:

I really wish I knew what the deal was.

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|Torg|:

imperfect- I cant tell you why, I use two of those cards. I would call the performance supurb not decent. And it plays more then fine over my old 100BT switch

[13:42:40]

imperfect-:

Yeah

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imperfect-:

I don't get it.

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imperfect-:

I always get prebuffering pauses and/or "taking too long to read" errors

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|Torg|:

live tv or recorded?

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imperfect-:

uhm

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imperfect-:

recorded

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imperfect-:

and! I can't even watch live SDTV over the network

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imperfect-:

it's twitchy and worthless

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imperfect-:

even if i pause it for a few seconds.

[13:44:22]

imperfect-:

Again, with the above error messages

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|Torg|:

have you tried the command line utils to see if your signal is ok?

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imperfect-:

You mean for lock?

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|Torg|:

for lock and signal

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imperfect-:

well if i watch it on the TV itself

[13:45:01]

imperfect-:

it's fine...

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imperfect-:

My main backend has a HDTV plugged into it

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imperfect-:

and it seems to work fine

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|Torg|:

its posible, but unlikly, you have interferance that makes it difficult for the card to lock onto

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|Torg|:

the main issue with digital ATSC is that its pretty much a 1 and 0 situation

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|Torg|:

when it works, it works, when it dosnt well it dosnt

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|Torg|:

how "good" the picture looks is not an indicator of signal strength

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|Torg|:

so what I would suggest is you use the dvb tools to measure signal strength and output

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imperfect-:

Well.

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D-side:

juski: yeah thats it.

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D-side:

imperfect-: frontend binary suid root?

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imperfect-:

I mean, if I can watch it on the TV doesn't that mean it's okay?

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D-side:

i'd expect you to have seen that error message.

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imperfect-:

I mean I get these twitches with my pvr-150 and SDTV

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imperfect-:

over the network

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imperfect-:

D-side : and no, it's not suid root..

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imperfect-:

D-side: It's running a intel core 2 system, I thought it'd be beefy enough to not have to worry about it

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|Torg|:

imperfect- it tells me that there is signal and something can lock onto it, not necesarily is it sutable for your card

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D-side:

imperfect-: give it a shot.

[13:48:30]

qu0zl:

juski, how did you enable real-time priority threads on dapper? did you suid the binary or use the kernel settings?

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D-side:

|Torg|: which air2pc cards have you got?

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D-side:

I'm looking at the Airstar-HD5000

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imperfect-:

|Torg|: Well if I copy the nuv over to my frontend and watch it locally it's fine. Does that tell you anything?

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|Torg|:

0000:00:0d.0 Network controller: Techsan Electronics Co Ltd B2C2 FlexCopII DVB chip / Technisat SkyStar2 DVB card (rev 02)

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|Torg|:

imperfect- you have problems wathcing it over ethernet but not locally?

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D-side:

imperfect-: says to me its not the backend at all. for giggles, try whta I said.

[13:50:53]

imperfect-:

Techsan Electronics Co Ltd B2C2 FlexCopII DVB chip / Technisat SkyStar2 DVB card (rev 02)

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imperfect-:

Subsystem: Techsan Electronics Co Ltd B2C2 FlexCopII DVB chip / Technisat SkyStar2 DVB card

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imperfect-:

|Torg| : Right... over the ethernet I get all prebuffering goodness

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imperfect-:

But if I copy the nuv over the network of a HDTV show it's fine

[13:51:46]

imperfect-:

And I can watch SDTV recordings over the network pretty well for the most part, just not HDTV.

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|Torg|:

imperfect- what is your netowrk infrastucture?

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imperfect-:

ANd I can't watch SDTV live streams

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imperfect-:

|Torg| Just a 5 port 10/100 switch between the two boxes

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|Torg|:

imperfect- it sounds like you may have ethernet isues, specialy a card taking at differnt duplex then what its connected to

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imperfect-:

well

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imperfect-:

I can look

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imperfect-:

eth0: negotiated 100baseTx-FD flow-control, link ok

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imperfect-:

That's the backend

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fryfrog:

imperfect-: are you using nfs, smb or is myth streaming the file?

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imperfect-:

fryfrog: as far as I know it's mythstreaming.

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fryfrog:

imperfect-: have you throught about exporting your recordings dir via nfs and mounting it?

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fryfrog:

imperfect-: also, does it skip for HD *livetv* and viewing an HD *recording*?

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imperfect-:

192.168.1.11:/mythtv on /mythtv type nfs (rw,addr=192.168.1.11)

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imperfect-:

Yes, I have ;)

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imperfect-:

But I'm not doing it like that currently.

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fryfrog:

don't forget async

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imperfect-:

fryfrog : I can't view HDTV Live over a ethernet, and I also cannot watch recordings via network

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fryfrog:

i think i would first try "chmod +s `which mythfrontend`

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fryfrog:

then, i would try mounting via nfs

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imperfect-:

Oh yeah?

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imperfect-:

That's so odd.

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fryfrog:

with good options like "soft,intr,rsize=8192,wsize=8192,async,nfsvers=3,bg,actimeo=0,tcp"

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fryfrog:

then, you can try playing a recording with mplayer or xine

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juski:

arghhh

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fryfrog:

see if it is your *network* or *myth* causing the problem

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imperfect-:

How do I reconfigure my frontend to use the local directories?

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juski:

how much are those Freeview PVR machines again?

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fryfrog:

i think its the first option in "mythtv-setup"

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imperfect-:

aoky

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imperfect-:

when I get home

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imperfect-:

I'll look

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fryfrog:

i think it also helps to use the *same* dir as on your master

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imperfect-:

I wonder how I get the link info with a non-mii interface

[13:58:04]

juski:

I know now why I was so happy with minimyth til it started playing funny buggers

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fryfrog:

ie, on mine it is "/data" and "/data :)

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imperfect-:

yeah

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fryfrog:

mii-tool and ethtool

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imperfect-:

But I've not wanted to fsck around with username mapping

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fryfrog:

ethtool is the new hotness

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imperfect-:

mii-tool doesn't work

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fryfrog:

imperfect-: username mapping? just make sure your /etc/passwd files are the same id for users

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D-side:

man, this working thing is killing me on a friday

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imperfect-:

Yeah IO know

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imperfect-:

but that's not the "right" way to do it

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imperfect-:

that's a hack ;)

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fryfrog:

what is the *rigth* way?

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imperfect-:

ypbind ;)

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imperfect-:

Dynamic UID:GID mapping ;)

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D-side:

haha

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D-side:

nothing is right about nis.

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PSU:

hi guys, is there a default username/password for mythweb using the knoppmyth installation?

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** seth|laptop uses NIS at home **

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imperfect-:

Well

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imperfect-:

That's the "right" way inmy book

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imperfect-:

I just dont wanna fsck with it

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imperfect-:

at any rate

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imperfect-:

brb afk

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natoka:

PSU: that's apache stuff, look into it's config

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seth|laptop:

knoppmyth by default uses mythtv:myhttv, unless you changed it during the installation prompt

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PSU:

natoka: ok thanks

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seth|laptop:

sory mythtv:mythtv

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seth|laptop:

accidental "t"

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PSU:

that's what i tried

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PSU:

no dice :)

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D-side:

bah. pchdtv or air2pc? I can't decide.

[14:01:03]

seth|laptop:

try not entering a password

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PSU:

n/m got it :P

[14:01:14]

PSU:

i must have changed it!

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juski:

why's it so damn hard to get digital _and_ analogue audio to work at the same time? in minimyth you just edit a config file :)

[14:01:40]

fryfrog:

D-side: I like my air2pc cards, but they *don't* do analog

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seth|laptop:

it does prompt you during the initial config, however if you ever need to change it, or you update to .20 you can use the 'SecureMythWeb.sh' script

[14:02:02]

fryfrog:

D-side: so the pchdtv does have that advantage. what about price?

[14:02:14]

D-side:

fryfrog: er. have a look at this url? http://www.cyberestore.com/airstarhd5000avpci . . . d-p-103.html

[14:02:15]

natoka:

imperfect-: there is no such thing as 'right' or 'wrong' in the uid/gid between different hosts ... there is just one easy way and the rest are more or less hacky. therefore they tend to be error prone ...

[14:02:22]

D-side:

is that not an air2pc card?

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D-side:

i'm looking at the line that says "receives HDTV and SDTV", and I assumed SDTV == analog

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juski:

time to look at minimyth's scripts to see what they do to the asoundrc file

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morten_:

huzzah. i have a new project!

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morten_:

i am going to make...a clapper!

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morten_:

like in those shitty sitcoms

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fryfrog:

wtf, it says it recieves SDTV :/

[14:03:59]

juski:

canned applause sucks

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morten_:

i know this, juski

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fryfrog:

oh well, i could honestly care less about analog sdtv

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fryfrog:

since i have firewire working

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morten_:

but turning on my music by clapping would be cool as fuck

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seth|laptop:

sorry the knoppmythscript is ToggleWebSecurity.sh its in /usr/bin, and must be 'sudo' or root to run it

[14:04:32]

D-side:

fryfrog: what cable provider and equipment?

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D-side:

i really should just get down to it and try firewire before i buy anything. :)

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fryfrog:

comcast, motorola DCT6412 (HD DVRs) 2 of them

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fryfrog:

D-side: firewire is worth it, it kicks OTA/QAM HDTV cards asses *and* it kicks the mpeg2 cards asses

[14:06:49]

fryfrog:

D-side: a 1hr mpeg2 from a pvr150 is like 2G, from firewire its what ever size was sent by cable. Usually 1G

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fryfrog:

and it is *perfect* :)

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D-side:

hd dvrs? can you dump your boxes recordings to myth?

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fryfrog:

D-side: they don't record *anything*

[14:07:39]

fryfrog:

D-side: I had *one* DVR, called comcast and said "hey, i'd like to replace my 1 dvr with 2x hd tuners"

[14:07:41]

D-side:

no need to, since you've got myth going? :)

[14:07:52]

juski:

sod this for a lark. gonna try minimyth 0.20–20 again but this time with an nfs mount of the recording dir

[14:07:54]

fryfrog:

they came out, took my one dvr... and the dude walked in with 2 more dvrs :p

[14:08:15]

fryfrog:

they didn't *have* any HD tuner's when he came out :p

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D-side:

heh.

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fryfrog:

I think I got lucky too, aparantly the DVRs are *much* more likely to not encrypt *anything* coming out firewire

[14:08:54]

fryfrog:

I can record *every* channel I pay for, and I suspect if I got HBO or Cinimax I'd be able to record it also

[14:08:58]

D-side:

i guess I'll just get the damn firewire box first, and should that fail miserably, QAM card here i come.

[14:09:25]

fryfrog:

It is sort of lame, wish i had fully tried firewire first

[14:09:38]

fryfrog:

My 2x air2pc cards that cost ~$120 each get *6* channels

[14:09:44]

|Torg|:

D-side a QAM card on comcast, at least from my exp, will only get basic channels. HBO, Cinemax etc are encrypted

[14:09:52]

fryfrog:

My pair of firewire tuners get like ... 300 channels?

[14:10:03]

D-side:

|Torg|: i'm too cheap for anything beyond basic anyway. :)

[14:10:15]

fryfrog:

D-side: yeah, don't expect to get *anything* except the FTA channels in HD over QAM

[14:10:22]

fryfrog:

and expect to have a hard time *finding* them too

[14:10:24]

D-side:

all i record from are the big network shows, SciFi, and FX.

[14:10:26]

|Torg|:

then use your ATSC cards and tell Comcast to shove it, its what I did

[14:10:37]

fryfrog:

D-side: you won't get ESPNHD, Discovery HD or TNTHD either

[14:10:44]

D-side:

|Torg|: zero OTA signal where i am.

[14:10:52]

fryfrog:

i have the same problem :(

[14:11:02]

D-side:

fryfrog: but that won't be a problem with firewire, in your experience anyway?

[14:11:05]

fryfrog:

antennaweb.org says i'd need the largest mast to get signals :(

[14:11:15]

fryfrog:

D-side: firewire is hit and miss, i think

[14:11:22]

|Torg|:

antennaweb claims I cant get signal at all, but I do :)

[14:11:23]

fryfrog:

D-side: you'll get *somethign* out of it for sure

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D-side:

yeah thats what i'm really afraid of. the total lack of info for my area/provider when googling is the part that spooks me.

[14:11:44]

fryfrog:

D-side: some people find that the "good" pay channels are encrypted (TNTHD, HBOHD, etc)

[14:11:55]

fryfrog:

are you with comcast?

[14:11:58]

D-side:

but hell, its $0 to trade a standard def digital cable box for an HD one.

[14:12:01]

D-side:

cablevision.

[14:12:10]

fryfrog:

ah, if that is the case it is worth a try :)

[14:12:11]

|Torg|:

hell fryfrog even the locals were encrypted where I live

[14:12:17]

fryfrog:

do you know if the boxes they send out *have* firewire?

[14:12:24]

fryfrog:

and you *can* specifically request one with working firewire

[14:12:28]

D-side:

my problem is, my frontend connects to my backend via wifi

[14:12:35]

fryfrog:

it is a legal mandate, you can even find the pdf to print and take in

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fryfrog:

blech, that won't do hd :/

[14:12:49]

fryfrog:

put the firewire cable box up with your master backend?

[14:12:57]

fryfrog:

sucks for tv though

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D-side:

http://cablevision.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/cable . . . ;p_topview=1

[14:13:18]

D-side:

ACK what a horrifying url

[14:13:40]

fryfrog:

nice

[14:13:43]

D-side:

fryfrog: I'll be forced to run cat5 i guess. :D

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|Torg|:

D-side run cat5, just do it :)

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|Torg|:

umm cat5e, but you get the idea

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[14:15:49]

levander:

I thought it was illegal to copy DVD's? What's this about a MythDVD plugin?

[14:15:54]

fryfrog:

if you got the gige, it might be nice :)

[14:16:07]

fryfrog:

levander: it *plays* dvds, but of course that is illegal in linux too

[14:16:18]

fryfrog:

well, i guess it can store them on the HD

[14:16:25]

juski:

I have had my fucking FILL with this

[14:16:29]

fryfrog:

which is okay according to fair use rights, but illegal if its encrypted

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|Torg|:

levander it is not illegal to copy them, not for your own use. It is illegl to DECRYPT them, thats why it dosnt come with libdvdcss

[14:17:01]

|Torg|:

you are not allows fair use rights to your own dvd's and dvd plaers by US DMCA law

[14:17:02]

GreyFoxx:

However if you live in a country to which that doesn't apply you can install libdvdcss

[14:17:15]

levander:

on the mythtv web site, they say the MythDVD plugin "is an application which rips DVDs and makes them available for use with MythVideo"

[14:17:33]

levander:

Do you have to decrypt them before using them with MythVideo?

[14:17:34]

|Torg|:

yes levander, you can't use it in the US tho

[14:17:58]

|Torg|:

well, shouldn't sorry. But then again I'm not a laywer

[14:18:06]

GreyFoxx:

levander: That depends on whether or not you have libdvdcss installed

[14:18:13]

levander:

|Torg|: does mythdvd ship with libdvdcss?

[14:18:22]

|Torg|:

levander nope

[14:18:26]

GreyFoxx:

levander: No, that's something external to myth

[14:18:41]

GreyFoxx:

you;d have to check your distro to see if it includes it or provides a package you have to manually install

[14:18:55]

levander:

so, all i have to do is exit US borders, then download libdvdcss, copy it to the right directory, then I can watch DVD's?

[14:19:05]

levander:

GreyFoxx: I'm going to use the Ubuntu distro

[14:19:07]

|Torg|:

levander nope

[14:19:07]

juski:

looks like I'm gonna have to do something soon. maybe get a brain implant to help me work out alsa configuration

[14:19:23]

|Torg|:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libdvdcss

[14:19:32]

savageone:

yo

[14:19:38]

savageone:

I did a reinstall of my box

[14:19:43]

savageone:

but I backed up lirc.conf and lircc

[14:19:53]

savageone:

where does lirc.conf go? /etc/lirc?

[14:20:07]

seth|laptop:

that is where mine is

[14:20:11]

savageone:

k

[14:20:14]

Merlin83b:

strings `which lircd`|grep lirc.conf

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Merlin83b:

:)

[14:20:20]

seth|laptop:

and lircrc goes in ~/.mythtv

[14:20:20]

levander:

The MythDVD plugin page I quoted above really makes it sound like it copies the DVD to the hard drive, then I can play it with Myth from there. I'm not sure what you guys are talking about.

[14:20:24]

natoka:

juski: look at the alsa wiki, perhaps you can find a good .asoundrc there for your card

[14:20:46]

GreyFoxx:

levander: MythDVD has an option to copy (or rip/transcode to xvid) a dvd OR just play it

[14:21:06]

imperfect-:

So, you guys were telling me about suid root my frontend earlier.

[14:21:11]

GreyFoxx:

Either one, if the disk is a standard encrypted commercial DVD requires libdvdcss

[14:21:11]

levander:

GreyFoxx: so, does it work or not? or, do i have to examine legal issues surrounding libdvdcss?

[14:21:12]

savageone:

what's irrecord all about?

[14:21:18]

savageone:

is that to write a new lirc.conf?

[14:21:19]

imperfect-:

Will that really make a difference on a faster box?

[14:21:23]

savageone:

because soem of my buttons are recognized

[14:21:30]

juski:

natoka: I don't want alsa to resample anything. I just need both analogue & digital audio to work at the same time. not bothered about getting analogue output from dts or ac3 dvds (sob)

[14:21:32]

savageone:

and whenever I edit the shit, it just stops working entirely

[14:21:33]

fryfrog:

imperfect-: maybe, but probably not :/

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seth|laptop:

levander: it works after installin libdvdcss

[14:21:42]

savageone:

nad I'm following the right stuff

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|Torg|:

levander it works just fine (althohg by my opnionion slowly). And yes you are not allowed to use it in the US

[14:21:56]

imperfect-:

fryfrog : I was going to say, I've got a E6600 Core 2 and the proc utilization is next to Nihil using myth

[14:22:06]

juski:

trying to scavenge minimyth's asound.conf

[14:22:10]

fryfrog:

imperfect-: and it is *still* kipping?

[14:22:11]

savageone:

torg: which is bullshit, and bullshit laws deserve to be ignored ;)

[14:22:12]

levander:

seth|laptop: have you got a link for how to install libdvdcss that I can use once I'm outside of US borders?

[14:22:21]

savageone:

lev: debian?

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savageone:

apt-get install libdvdcss

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seth|laptop:

which distro levander

[14:22:27]

|Torg|:

savageone I would agrtee, its still illegal tho

[14:22:33]

levander:

ubuntu most likely

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** GreyFoxx pisses on the DMCA **

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fryfrog:

have you tried starting the frontend with "-v important,playback,network -l /var/log/mythtv/mythfrontend.log" and checking what it says is going on?

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savageone:

grey: great, now all my dvds got piss on em

[14:22:56]

savageone:

bastard

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juski:

hrm how comes my ubungo doesn't already have an asound.conf ?

[14:23:08]

imperfect-:

fryfrog : nope, but I will when ig et home. The logs I have looked at say that there are RingBuf()' issues

[14:23:24]

fryfrog:

you could try upping the HD playback buffer

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imperfect-:

Well, what does that do for SDTV Live watching?

[14:23:52]

seth|laptop:

levander: in ubuntu , enable the "restricted universe' entries in your /etc/apt/sources.list and then apt-get install libdvdcss

[14:24:03]

savageone:

my cat has thumbs

[14:24:13]

levander:

seth|laptop: is it illegal they have libdvdcss in their repositories?

[14:24:16]

seth|laptop:

maybe its 'restricted multiverse' but to be safe enable both

[14:24:39]

natoka:

juski: most likely because that is system dependent ...

[14:24:40]

savageone:

I'll tell you what, I did an install of the newest ubuntu on this crap laptop I had and jesus christ it's nice

[14:24:47]

savageone:

mainly I like the add/remove programs deal

[14:24:50]

|Torg|:

levander its not illegal to have libdvdcss in some European countires, which is why it exists.

[14:24:52]

seth|laptop:

levander: I would guess not, as it is only illegal in the US, and legit everywhere else

[14:24:53]

savageone:

that's amazing

[14:24:53]

GreyFoxx:

levander: The code isn't illegal, It's just USING it within US borders on an encrypted DVD which is

[14:25:06]

natoka:

levander: most likely not, since those repositories normally do not reside in countries where it is illegal

[14:25:15]

levander:

seth|laptop: if i just enable universe and multiverse (like I already have) does that also enable universe and multiverse restricted?

[14:25:25]

|Torg|:

and GreyFoxx simply having the code to use to decrypt DVDs is in fact illegal in the US

[14:25:29]

natoka:

levander: just the download then is illegal from those countries

[14:25:39]

GreyFoxx:

Your laws can't be THAT stupid

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** seth|laptop uses it in the US, because I wanted to toss out my old DVD player, I prefer the one box solution, MythTV **

[14:26:05]

imperfect-:

Wow.

[14:26:15]

imperfect-:

So I'm breaking the law watching DVD's under linux?

[14:26:20]

seth|laptop:

I guess so

[14:26:24]

|Torg|:

GreyFoxx I assure you they are. Its why I have a T-shit with the decss code writen on it. It is legal by our first amendmant to wear a t-shirt. Just dont transcode that code and compile it.

[14:26:27]

levander:

seth|laptop: i don't think you're supposed to admit that in this channel, people were saying the myth developers don't want that in here

[14:26:34]

|Torg|:

yes imperfect- you are

[14:26:42]

** seth|laptop appologizes to the Myth developers **

[14:26:48]

GreyFoxx:

|Torg|: I use to have a similar shirt

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levander:

if using libdvdcss is illegal, i don't see why just having it is also illegal, it's not like it's hard to get rid of

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imperfect-:

I did not know what.

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imperfect-:

er that.

[14:28:17]

levander:

meaning, don't see why just having it being illegal would be stupid

[14:28:18]

imperfect-:

Crazy.

[14:28:44]

levander:

i'm rereading what i wrote, everybody ignore it, it makes no sense

[14:28:48]

levander:

and i'm not retyping

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imperfect-:

I was reading something the other day that basically said all the DRM involved with BlueRay and HD-DVD was going to lead to a consumer smack down on the formats because it's so restrictive

[14:29:22]

** seth|laptop guesses he'll never buy a blue ray DVD or a device which plays them **

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Dagmar:

Universe and multiverse?!?

[14:29:33]

Dagmar:

8snicker*

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|Torg|:

levander the DMCA laws forbid you from decrytion and the use of decrytion tools. Even simply having the tools is enough to violate the laws. I didnt say it was right, and I most certainly do not agree with it. But it is what it is and it is illgal to watch, play or copy DVDs in the US that were encrypted with CSS to begin with. Firthermore it is illegal to own a program or device indended to copy, read or decode a DVD witho

[14:29:42]

imperfect-:

seth|laptop : I'm gonna get a PS3

[14:29:52]

levander:

i don't know what you mean by consumer smackdown, but none of your current hardware will be able to play HD DVD's, even if you buy a new DVD drive because of copy protection

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** seth|laptop maybe its "Underverse". god that was a good movie **

[14:30:15]

|Torg|:

levander also keep in mind, im an engineer, not a lawyer

[14:30:34]

levander:

|Torg|: I was replying to something GreyFoxx but didn't take the time to make myself clear, and am not going to

[14:30:41]

imperfect-:

levander : backfire, consumer revolt due to lack of "Freedom"

[14:30:48]

seth|laptop:

|Torg|: did you ever get your HD playback working the way you want, did my database info help you at all?

[14:31:15]

imperfect-:

I turned on bob deinterlacing

[14:31:21]

imperfect-:

and my HD playback stopped being lame

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|Torg|:

yes seth thanks

[14:31:25]

savageone:

irrecord looks great but i don't know what to name ech button

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imperfect-:

no motion blur

[14:31:29]

savageone:

I'll have to fuck w/ it later

[14:31:32]

seth|laptop:

cool |Torg|

[14:31:33]

levander:

imperfect-: you'll have you're early adopters who have no control over themselves, but i'm betting the average consumer will be confused enough by the whole thing, they'll just be lazy and wait a few years till something makes sense

[14:31:38]

GreyFoxx:

Dear loversof the DMCA, f*ck you;

[14:32:07]

levander:

|Torg|: but thanks for writing out what's going on legally with libdvdcss in the USA

[14:32:18]

|Torg|:

there are more then a few things myth does that break US archaic copyright laws. Most notable of that is commercial skipping

[14:32:25]

savageone:

peace

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** seth|laptop turns on his remote webcam, to see if they are coming to take my hard drives away. Activates the "death-ray" hehe, j/k **

[14:32:38]

juski:

oo yeah. looks like there's some useful stuff in the minimyth scripts

[14:32:45]

GreyFoxx:

How is commercial skipping illegal ?

[14:32:50]

GreyFoxx:

They better ban VCR's

[14:33:01]

levander:

commercial skipping is illegal? I thought it was just something that hadn't been fought in the courts yet, so they didn't know

[14:33:04]

fryfrog:

i don't think its illegal, it just pisses off the media giants

[14:33:05]

|Torg|:

yea well the last time the FBI came and nocked on my door saking to see all my VHS tapes I told them to go take a hike :)

[14:33:13]

GreyFoxx:

Advertisers cannot force you to watch their address

[14:33:18]

GreyFoxx:

yeah

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fryfrog:

and with a vcr, it isn't *skipping* it is fast forwarding through them

[14:33:33]

juski:

so now, I guess it's time for an alsa baptism of fire

[14:33:34]

|Torg|:

yes but look at what happend to SonicBlue when they made RepalyTVs that could do it

[14:33:35]

fryfrog:

so you do still *see* them, even if its ugly and fast

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seth|laptop:

well comm skipping prevents us from viewing the advertisements, put forth by the companies that sponsor the tvshows/stations, so they get mad, that their message is not geting out.

[14:33:58]

GreyFoxx:

fryfrog: that's a silly distinction :)

[14:34:12]

fryfrog:

it is, but its why they hate skip but don't mind ffw as much

[14:34:15]

seth|laptop:

and we don't all run out and buy PS3's

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|Torg|:

Im not saying it is illegal, like I said im an enginner. But US court case history has already set a precident that skipping commerical is at the very least in the grey area.

[14:34:21]

GreyFoxx:

I could make myths comercial skip show 3 or 4 frames of the commercial being skipped

[14:34:29]

fryfrog:

obviously, they'd rather that we all be *forced* to watch commerials in their entrity :)

[14:34:53]

Tommck:

with our eyes forced open a la Clockwork Orange...

[14:34:59]

levander:

next it will be illegal to go take a piss when a commercial comes on

[14:35:45]

imperfect-:

but daddy needs a PS3

[14:35:53]

imperfect-:

he needs it bad!

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|Torg|:

maybe he should evaluate need vs want :P

[14:36:25]

imperfect-:

no

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imperfect-:

it's a need

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imperfect-:

I think it's related to my blood hemoglobin count. ;) I feel fatigued without it.

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seth|laptop:

commflagging is what convinced my wife to convert the house over to mythtv, I can remember her face when she said..." You mean you don't have to press the skip button? Thats the greatest invention in the world!", and that is a direct quote.

[14:37:29]

levander:

seth|laptop: what product (besides Myth) has a skip button? my tivo, i have to fast forward through

[14:37:37]

imperfect-:

Yeah, I'm pretty impressed with how accurate it is

[14:37:42]

|Torg|:

seth we dont comflag remember :)

[14:37:56]

seth|laptop:

levander: out Dish Network DVR, had a skip, and replay button

[14:37:56]

|Torg|:

impressed, im damn right disapointed with it

[14:38:12]

imperfect-:

OH yeah? I've not had any problems

[14:38:18]

seth|laptop:

levander: and the word above the button was wore out

[14:38:29]

praet:

i cant watch live tv anymore

[14:38:49]

seth|laptop:

oh yeah, I turn commflagging off.

[14:38:56]

|Torg|:

Ive persoannly seen commericals encapulated in ATSC frames (e.g 2 channel AC3), logos put on comercails and even TV showes with letter boxing for the frist few seconds

[14:38:58]

levander:

praet: i don't understand people who sit down to watch tv when the television networks schedule that they do so, it's so wierd now

[14:39:02]

|Torg|:

I treat comflaggisn as a cat and mouse game

[14:39:16]

|Torg|:

does it work, about 75% of the time

[14:39:25]

levander:

seth|laptop: what, is commflagging illegal too?

[14:39:50]

|Torg|:

but I also know, from comparing recordings, my comericals *seem* to be harder to detect them others

[14:39:51]

seth|laptop:

levander: apparently , yes.

[14:40:10]

levander:

okay, let's say i'm outside the USA borders, is it easy to turn it on?

[14:40:19]

GreyFoxx:

yes

[14:40:26]

Dagmar:

Shadow404: i forgot to call before I went to bed yesterday afternoon

[14:40:31]

Dagmar:

bleh wrong channel

[14:40:33]

seth|laptop:

|Torg|: the only thing that trips my CF-ing is the "Sponsored by" lead outs, otherwise, it is spot on.

[14:40:55]

|Torg|:

no levander it is not "illegal" at least not yet. Altho hardware with skipping onboard has already been forcable removed from market

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levander:

It's amazing how convinced the entertainment industry thinks they have the right to control everything.

[14:41:47]

|Torg|:

and yes seth I beliv you and I have already comapred recordings of the same show to ilustrate the differnces

[14:41:49]

levander:

I hope they've saved none of their money, and when movies become so cheap to make, they lose everything.

[14:41:55]

levander:

They live on the streets.

[14:42:23]

levander:

|Torg|: who "forced" that hardware off the shelves?

[14:42:39]

levander:

or, rather, how was it forced?

[14:42:58]

imperfect-:

I don't know.

[14:43:05]

imperfect-:

I'm not really angry at the entertainment industyr.

[14:43:14]

imperfect-:

I mean, I get a lot of entertainment from them.

[14:43:25]

levander:

lol

[14:43:41]

levander:

imperfect-: i just think they've got an outdated business model they're grasping onto for dear life

[14:43:49]

|Torg|:

levander I belive it was the MPAA on behaf of Turner broadcasting. Id have to go look it up againtto be sure

[14:43:50]

Dagmar:

dingdingdingding!

[14:43:53]

Dagmar:

We have a winner!

[14:43:53]

imperfect-:

And if they didn't make money, they wouldn't do it and my life would be bland. ;) I wouldn't be able to live vicariously through them. Then I'd go crazy and kill people. The DMCA SAVES LIVES!

[14:44:05]

|Torg|:

Thurner claims skipping the commercails equates to theft of service of the broadcast

[14:44:19]

|Torg|:

the argument was won asignt SonicBlue about 3 years ago

[14:44:44]

Dagmar:

If they can make that claim then I can file a countersuit of harassment for all those commercials they broadcast destroying my piece of mind by telling me how incomplete and unhappy my life really is.

[14:44:46]

|Torg|:

since then a fw bills have been atempted to make skipping commerical content illegal. To my limited kowledge none have passed

[14:44:50]

levander:

imperfect-: do you know how much a hollywood actor makes? people will always act. people are starving to act. You just won't have people making obscene amounts of money for winning the Hollywood lottery.

[14:45:23]

imperfect-:

levander: I'm not saying they are not overpaid solositic nightmares

[14:45:23]

Dagmar:

Either we're not required to watch, or they're responsible for the cumulative effect of their content, just like every other industry

[14:45:42]

imperfect-:

levander: im just saying i dont really begrudge their desire to maintain their immense wealth

[14:45:48]

imperfect-:

solopistic

[14:45:49]

imperfect-:

too

[14:45:49]

Dagmar:

By the way, ReplayTV basically beat their suit

[14:45:49]

imperfect-:

;)

[14:46:06]

imperfect-:

I think I still spelled it wrong, so I quite.

[14:46:07]

Dagmar:

The lawyers were stupid and required the units not ship with the commercial skip feature.

[14:46:10]

juski:

I heard that HDCP (highly dubious chair(leaving) prevention) will play a big part in the future

[14:46:44]

Dagmar:

...so of course the moment you got a REplayTV home and plugged it into the phone to start your subscription, it would download a software update that got you a brand new feature called "30 second skip" that used the same button.

[14:46:48]

|Torg|:

im not syaing I agree with it, quite the contrary. I belvie if you beam radiaiton down on my head I should be able to use a dish I bought and and IRD I paid for and watch it. But in practice that is called signal theft

[14:46:53]

imperfect-:

Yeah I was reading that HDCP is going to piss off random joe consumer

[14:47:16]

juski:

oh thankyou very bloody much ubuntu for having yet more non-standard config files

[14:47:38]

levander:

imperfect-: i guess the reason i resent them is they seem to be really slow to adapt to the internet and a business model that utilizes how easy the internet is, they just seem lazy and ignorant to me

[14:47:39]

imperfect-:

juski: what files are those?

[14:48:10]

imperfect-:

levander: Change is scary.

[14:48:23]

juski:

alsa

[14:48:24]

** seth|laptop can remember drinking alot of beer configuring ubuntu, for "other than stock" use **

[14:48:25]

RyeBrye:

apt-get fedora

[14:48:28]

RyeBrye:

;)

[14:48:43]

levander:

imperfect-: you've seen how george lucas and spielberg are saying their next movies are going to be $5 million movies, not $160 million? I think those guys have finally got the idea where things are going. More movies are going to be made, not the small number of big ones we have now.

[14:48:52]

imperfect-:

levander: changing a entire industry and its cash cow into a new and improved UBER DIGITAL CASH COW is even more scary

[14:48:57]

|Torg|:

RyeBrye that would be apt-get install fedora (and lets not get into distro wars here)

[14:49:00]

juski:

I don't use GDM or fucking GNOME, so I need to be able to configure alsa myself without the poxy gui tools

[14:49:09]

levander:

imperfect-: change is scary to the stupid, i'm an engineer, i have to learn new stuff every month, sometimes every week

[14:49:12]

juski:

LFS anyone? ;)

[14:49:17]

Dagmar:

juski: There's nothing preventing you from running alsamixer in a console

[14:49:18]

** seth|laptop plugs http://www.sabayonlinux.org graphical 1hr gentoo stage 3 install, 4 desktopsd, beryl, and xgl, and the ability to customize via emerge, old school style. **

[14:49:26]

GreyFoxx:

juski: HEhe I did that once, it was interesting :)

[14:49:37]

Dagmar:

juski: You could always run Slackware.

[14:49:40]

imperfect-:

levander : I don't think it has anything to do with intelligence. I think there are problably areas of your life wehre change would be unsettling

[14:49:56]

juski:

Dagmar: true I suppose

[14:50:01]

imperfect-:

juski: yeah! you coudl also hit yourself in the head with a hammer until the sweet pain disappears.

[14:50:08]

levander:

imperfect-: this isn't there marriage, this is business

[14:50:30]

imperfect-:

levander : I'm speaking in broad strokes about the inclinations of humanity in general

[14:50:47]

imperfect-:

levander : And unforunately tycoons are also human. THat's all I'm saying.

[14:50:54]

juski:

all the ubuntu howtos I've seen assume you use a bloody desktop like gnome or they don't have stuff about digital audio

[14:50:59]

levander:

imperfect-: me too, and people who don't adapt are left behind, just like i want to leave the giant movie studios

[14:51:20]

|Torg|:

the main issue is the US movie and music industry made a gigantic machine arround distribution of the media. Since a computer is a device to manipilate bits and the Intenet is a deivice to move bits, anyone can distribute with a comptuer and and Internet connection

[14:51:31]

imperfect-:

levander : I think we might just have to agree to disagree. ;) I like my popcorn powered vicar-a-life. ;)

[14:51:35]

levander:

imperfect-: if movie tycoons don't have enough money to put away that they can retire, i have even less sympathy for them

[14:51:44]

levander:

imperfect-: i'm not mad, i'm just having fun ranting

[14:51:54]

imperfect-:

levander : Oh, I didn't think you were mad. ;)

[14:52:03]

imperfect-:

levander : I can just see that we have divergent views. ;)

[14:52:05]

|Torg|:

I can argue their business model was flawd as they exploited a part of the model not worked in it. But the fact is any one of us here can subvert the distribution model at little or no cost in about an hour

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|Torg|:

how do you convert your psuedo business into a real one when people finnaly figured out they pay way to much for what they can do for free?

[14:52:42]

levander:

imperfect-: i just think the regular guy working at the big movie studio making $50K a year, he won't be working at a movie studio any more, but he can probably get a job working for another big company

[14:52:43]

|Torg|:

and THAT is what I belive the issue is

[14:53:13]

levander:

imperfect-: the guy making a steday $1 million a year, he better have saved his money, because that day is coming to an end in movie industry

[14:53:21]

imperfect-:

I just wish we could talk Stalone into stop making the fscking rocky movies.

[14:53:51]

Dagmar:

Umm...

[14:53:59]

Dagmar:

Been livin' in a cave long, have we?

[14:54:15]

imperfect-:

Hrm?

[14:54:21]

banyan:

any of you hear about some recent issue with mythfrontend segfaulting?

[14:55:09]

seth|laptop:

just randomly or while doing some activity

[14:55:19]

banyan:

every time I try to start it.

[14:55:37]

seth|laptop:

have you re-compiled?

[14:56:03]

banyan:

Since I rebooted with a new kernel 2.6.18–1.2849.fc6. myth from atrpms package.

[14:57:01]

seth|laptop:

perhaps the kernel is too new for the atrpms myth binaries, can you still boot your old kernel

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juski:

okees. take two

[14:57:14]

seth|laptop:

maybe re-install the rpms

[14:57:24]

seth|laptop:

for myth

[14:57:47]

** seth|laptop is not familiar with how rpms interact with the kernel. **

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banyan:

one other thing — the front end will run in a vnc session.

[14:58:27]

|Torg|:

seth it depends on what is in the RPM, they are nothign more or less then DEB files

[14:58:27]

banyan:

bad X interaction I am thinking?

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seth|laptop:

you running .20 myth with opengl

[14:59:01]

banyan:

also tried qt.

[14:59:05]

banyan:

same resultt.

[14:59:22]

seth|laptop:

thought maybe re-installling the graphics card driver may help

[14:59:37]

banyan:

I kinda tried that, yeah...

[15:01:39]

seth|laptop:

is there like a 'dpkg -reconfigure' option for an rpm

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seth|laptop:

banyan: have you tried re-installing the myth rpm's since the kernel has changed?

[15:03:18]

|Torg|:

not really seth -reconfiure is to configure packes, rpm does that with postinstall scripts ala sun packes

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seth|laptop:

ah

[15:06:07]

** seth|laptop need to install an rpm based product to get more experience **

[15:06:17]

seth|laptop:

is SuSE rpm

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|Torg|:

also it is, arguably, the main benefit of dpkg over rpm

[15:06:27]

seth|laptop:

I have a copy of 10.1 at the house

[15:06:35]

juski:

oh yeah. I'm the daddy now!

[15:06:48]

juski:

muhahahaha

[15:06:58]

qu0zl:

congrats Juski

[15:07:00]

qu0zl:

boy or girl?

[15:07:04]

qu0zl:

;)

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seth|laptop:

hehe

[15:07:40]

juski:

mythtv frontend with working DTS etc :)

[15:08:13]

juski:

hrm.. only doubt now is whether or not my mixer settings will be sensible when I reboot

[15:08:38]

Merlin83b:

Never reboot!

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Dagmar:

`alsactl store`

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juski:

btw all I needed to get xine to work properly was "Pass Through" in my xine config file

[15:09:24]

juski:

cheers Dagmar :)

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juski:

never reboot. lol. when I get my power button events working right I won't need to I spose

[15:09:58]

Dagmar:

This is the advantage using a distribution more primivite than Solaris gives one.

[15:09:58]

juski:

STR is nice

[15:10:09]

** juski laughs **

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Merlin83b:

STR?

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** seth|laptop Solaris Ricks **

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seth|laptop:

Rocks even

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brad_mssw:

anyone have the IOData LinkPlayer2 ? just wondering how well it really works with Myth's uPNP support

[15:12:46]

Merlin83b:

Ah, suspend to ram

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juski:

balls. lirc not worky now

[15:19:08]

juski:

I added /bin/setserial /dev/ttyS0 uart none line to the lirc init file...

[15:20:11]

juski:

but DUH! I added to the wrong bit methinks

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juski:

is it just me or has anyone else noticed that mythmusic makes the digital audio output click at the very start of playback?

[15:24:58]

seth|laptop:

Oh my god – http://cgi.ebay.com/PlayStation-3-PS3-IN-HAND . . . cmdZViewItem

[15:25:41]

juski:

buy pictures of a PS3 ?

[15:26:01]

juski:

how much are the inkjet printed photos of PS3s going for on ebay I wonder?

[15:26:17]

seth|laptop:

hehe

[15:26:42]

Merlin83b:

Silly stuff happened on PS2 launch, I'm sure there'll be plenty of people buying empty boxes and the like this time round.

[15:27:30]

juski:

if I didn't value my ebay feedback rating so much, and if I didn't have a kind of conscience I might branch out into selling pictures of game consoles

[15:27:52]

juski:

or farepak hampers

[15:28:16]

Merlin83b:

lol

[15:29:03]

juski:

hmmm. you want to save loads of money up to spend at xmas. where do you put it? in a bank account, in a jar in the kitchen cupboard, or do you save with an unregulated company?

[15:29:08]

juski:

;)

[15:29:18]

Merlin83b:

My thoughts exactly.

[15:29:41]

juski:

still, the look on the faces of all those kids on the news who "aren't going to GET what they WANTED" is worth it

[15:29:52]

juski:

</scrooge>

[15:30:11]

Merlin83b:

Yeah, I'm sure they really wanted a hamper of food and not an Xbox 360.

[15:30:59]

juski:

so anyway. minimyth is gone

[15:31:04]

Merlin83b:

Oh noes!

[15:31:11]

Merlin83b:

Why so?

[15:31:21]

juski:

because it can't play back bbc recordings properly

[15:31:27]

Merlin83b:

Oh, lame.

[15:32:04]

juski:

think it's a driver issue tbh, but there's nowt I can do about that without being able to build it myself. and if I was gonna have to go to those kind of lengths, why not just put ubuntu on the frontend instead? ;)

[15:33:13]

Merlin83b:

Fair enough.

[15:33:43]

Merlin83b:

I will soon be rebuilding my myth box and as yet I'm not decided to put Knoppmyth on again or try from scratch.

[15:36:28]

juski:

it's all worky now, seemingly (ubuntu) so I may aswell go diskless again at some point. nfsrooty :)

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juski:

apart from lirc. stupid boot order

[15:37:29]

levander:

juski: can you run a myth frontend with no hard disk in the computer at all?

[15:39:32]

GreyFoxx:

levander: Sure

[15:39:38]

GreyFoxx:

All of my frontends are diskless

[15:40:07]

levander:

GreyFoxx: where does configuration for the specific computer go? like, how does the frontend know what video card driver to use?

[15:40:11]

GreyFoxx:

both the current" generation of them as well as the old ones

[15:40:43]

GreyFoxx:

levander: you nfs mount a file system, so from the softwares perspective it's just like a normal system.

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levander:

GreyFoxx: do you have to install the OS on the server once for each frontend?

[15:42:32]

GreyFoxx:

levander: there are many ways to do it, but I just installed it once on a machine, got it mostly configured the way I wanted, then copied that install to my file server.

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GreyFoxx:

I mount the same /home and /usr to each frontend but they have their own seperate /, /tmp and /var

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levander:

GreyFoxx: interesting....

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GreyFoxx:

oh, and they all share an /opt as well

[15:43:16]

levander:

GreyFoxx: what you got in /opt?

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GreyFoxx:

My distro has a couple things in there which I really never use but don't care enough to remove

[15:43:44]

levander:

do you need gigabit ethernet to make it usable, or is 100 Mbps enough?

[15:43:54]

GreyFoxx:

levander: 100meg is easily enough

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GreyFoxx:

even my desktop pc is a diskless machine

[15:44:28]

** levander starts to understand why people are so excited about turning old machines into file servers **

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levander:

GreyFoxx: so, you're desktop pc has no hard disk, but goes over a 100 Mbps network to get at it's files? Isn't that slow?

[15:45:01]

GreyFoxx:

levander: No need to put HD's in them. Saves on money, power, lower heat, one less thing to fail or replace

[15:45:08]

GreyFoxx:

levander: No, not really

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Dagmar:

Good luck making old disks keep up with fast ethernet, let alone gigabit

[15:45:33]

GreyFoxx:

yeah

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levander:

my old computer has an ATA 33 controller in it, should it be upgraded to use it as a file server for diskless PC's?

[15:46:41]

GreyFoxx:

levander: IT's also nice when I do something to killthe machine and I can reboot without having to scan the drive hehe

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Dagmar:

Japan already had their release

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Dagmar:

wrong channel

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levander:

GreyFoxx: how fast is the disk in your file server?

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GreyFoxx:

levander: it has 6 disks actually, , all set to u dma 100

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GreyFoxx:

I've never actually done any sort of bench marking

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GreyFoxx:

Until I find performance a problem I wont bother

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levander:

you know, 33 MBps = 264 Mbps, so ATA33 would really be faster than 100 Mpbs network

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** levander goes to check numbers at wikipedia **

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imperfect-:

Isn't the 33 rating for "burst" though?

[15:52:37]

imperfect-:

sustained is slower..

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imperfect-:

I think anyway

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fryfrog:

Old drives usually run in the 10–20mb/sec write speeds, newer ones can do 40mb+ writes

[15:53:37]

fryfrog:

read speeds are a lot faster though. a disk is *way* faster than network

[15:54:06]

GreyFoxx:

And if you are doing heavy reads (like large game maps and such) it would certainly slow things down

[15:54:14]

GreyFoxx:

but for my uses that's not an issue

[15:54:23]

imperfect-:

hrm

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levander:

How bad would it be to make my mythbackend the fileserver? Would the two jobs make each other slower?

[15:54:43]

fryfrog:

i mean, you wouldnt' want your windows gaming system to be diskless.. but it'd be fine for some front ends

[15:54:45]

levander:

And really, initially, my mythbackend is also going to be my mythfrontend, so three things.

[15:54:56]

GreyFoxx:

levander: My fileserver is also my master backend AND my main frontend

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fryfrog:

levander: unless your current backend is a crappy machine, its fine

[15:55:17]

fryfrog:

my master be is a samba file server with a 5x 320G raid5, also runs my webserver too

[15:55:25]

fryfrog:

and a small ftp so i can get files easily remotly

[15:55:28]

levander:

fryfrog: i'm thinking i'm going to use an old dual piii 550 with 512 MB of RAM, is that too crappy?

[15:55:49]

Dagmar:

In practice, disks tend to have a hard time doing a sustained read at the speed of fast ethernet

[15:55:55]

Dagmar:

It's only rahter recently it's come close

[15:56:38]

GreyFoxx:

levander: What sort of capture cards will you be using ?

[15:56:52]

levander:

Dagmar: the wintv pvr-500

[15:57:10]

GreyFoxx:

then you should be ok with that

[15:57:23]

levander:

GreyFoxx: you were making sure I got a hardware encoder?

[15:57:28]

GreyFoxx:

yup

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Dagmar:

Oh hell yeah

[15:57:54]

Dagmar:

You don't want a Bt-8x8 card if you actually intend to record things

[15:58:01]

levander:

Dagmar: you think an ata 33 disk controller would be fast enough on a machine i use as a file server for diskless PC's?

[15:58:17]

levander:

What's Bt-8x8?

[15:58:21]

Dagmar:

Well, it'll "have" to do, and it kinda depends on _what_ your'e doing

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Dagmar:

Brooktree 848/878/878a chipset cards

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levander:

Dagmar: i'm sitting here wondering about using it as a file server for diskless PC's. And, it doesn't have to do. I could just not do it.

[15:59:16]

levander:

Dagmar: that's are tuner cards i assume?

[15:59:32]

Dagmar:

yes. The BT8x8 cards are tuner cards.

[15:59:39]

Dagmar:

They're what everyone used to use for just watching TV

[15:59:49]

Dagmar:

Encoding in realtime was a laughable endeavor

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Dagmar:

Now as to whether or not a given setup is sufficient for diskless machines...

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fryfrog:

levander: your main backend should be fine for an nfs server, no need to use *another* system for it

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fryfrog:

assuming your main backend isn't like a 1ghz athlon xp

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imperfect-:

my main backend is a core 2 duo 2.13ghz

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imperfect-:

but it's also my TV-Frontend

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quicksil1er:

being an NFS-server is not remotely cpu intensive

[16:03:30]

quicksil1er:

(unless you have a really shit ethernet card without DMA)

[16:03:36]

quicksil1er:

which is very unlikely

[16:03:38]

Dagmar:

...and filesystem caching works in your favor pretty much 99% of the time

[16:03:53]

quicksil1er:

however it is causing more interrupts which just conceivably might fuck up an occasional frame

[16:04:01]

quicksil1er:

I'd be surprised if it was a big deal

[16:04:14]

Dagmar:

Collisions would probably happen more often than that

[16:04:38]

imperfect-:

well if you're using a hiub

[16:04:41]

imperfect-:

you need to be shot anyway

[16:04:48]

Dagmar:

Man there's nothing like seeing a co worker set a notebook down on top of a 75lb battery that's part of a five ton UPS

[16:04:55]

Dagmar:

Right across both terminals

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Dagmar:

Good damn thing that one was flat

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fryfrog:

I run my nfs file ser ver from the same system that is doing apache, myth, etc on an amd64 3000+

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fryfrog:

Dagmar: laptops are mostly plastic though?

[16:05:36]

Dagmar:

fryfrog: Metalized paint on the thing would be enough, I suspect

[16:05:39]

fryfrog:

Dagmar: I mean, I wouldn't have done it myself but... in *theory* it shouldn't be a terrible thing

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Dagmar:

I accidentally *shorted* one of them while I was unloading the UPS. Sparks went (I kid you not) two feet in every direction.

[16:05:58]

fryfrog:

Dagmar: true. or he could get lucky and land the terminals on 2 screws going into the chassis/mb

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daedalus_:

fryfrog: what's wrong with a 1Ghz machine? I'm running my backend on a P3–866 w/an nfs server and it runs just fine.

[16:06:30]

clop:

if my nvidia card is pci-express, should i set nvAGP 0?

[16:06:52]

fryfrog:

daedalus_: nothing at all, but it might not make a great frontend machine at the same time it is doing a raid array, backend serving, nfs, etc

[16:06:54]

Dagmar:

If he'd laid that thing on a live one, it would have basically gone *pfZAPzt!* and keys and bits of flaming plastic would have gone everywhere

[16:07:20]

fryfrog:

then the lion battery would have gone up too :)

[16:07:44]

daedalus_:

fryfrog: fair. It does crap out if I don't have the accelerated drivers working.

[16:08:21]

fryfrog:

daedalus_: i'm just saying that if a 3000+ can do all he wants, his core 2 duo can easily do it :)

[16:08:37]

fryfrog:

no need to bring online some crappy ata33 box to do his nfs serving for diskless frontends

[16:08:37]

daedalus_:

fryfrog: rgr. Absolutely :)

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fryfrog:

would anyone mind hitting http://fryfrog.com/wordpress/wp-gallery2.php and letting me know if you see any errors?

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qu0zl:

looks fine to me fryfrog

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fryfrog:

awsome

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fryfrog:

at least *that* part of migrating from gentoo -> ubuntu worked okay :)

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Dagmar:

Yay for silly secretaries that think they know shit

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D-side:

i had no real problem.

[16:13:02]

D-side:

well not true. i had help from kormac for db stuff.

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Dagmar:

We had a wall leak in the datacenter, and she wants tiles pulled up from the floor so that wind can blow up the wall with the leak "to dry it out faster".

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Dagmar:

Someone needs to explain to her why we have twelve tons of equipment in there just to maintain 50% humidity. I'm not going to.

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mcquaid:

there was a program on a couple of days ago that I want myth to record if it ever repeats, there are no repeats currently listed.

[16:23:12]

mcquaid:

i caught the show half way through and flagged it as 'record one at any time any channel' and it kept the half i saw. I still see it in the guide as 'find one – recorded'. So I don't think it's going to record it again if it ever repeats

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mcquaid:

how can I ensure this records again?

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fryfrog:

if the recording is still there, delete it and choose the "allow re-record" option

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Dagmar:

Tell it to always record

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mcquaid:

fryfrog, ok

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mcquaid:

makes sense

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mcquaid:

btw, i get two days back so it's still listed, I wouldn't mind keeping a little longer back, is it easy to say hold a week back

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mcquaid:

Dagmar, how would i tell it to always record? i have it on record at any time on any channel

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daedalus_:

datrus: #ubuntu

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Dagmar:

Tell it to stop looking for duplicates. Hint hint.

[16:37:08]

Dagmar:

If it isn't looking for dupes, it will just record it anyway

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mcquaid:

heh, makes sense. btw though, it's still listed as find one – recorded in the guide.

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mcquaid:

this program might not repeat for awhile. I guess upcoming recordings only list if there is an upcoming repeat in the guide. If there isn't there's no way to see this is scheduled?

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mcquaid:

i saw a howto on this but can't find it now. I'd like to keep guide data for longer than a day back. How can I increase this?

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fryfrog:

mcquaid: i think it is just a mythfilldatabase option

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fryfrog:

check out the --help output

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rtsai:

anyone else in the bay area completely not getting any listing data from zap2it?

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mcquaid:

thx fryfrog it's --no-delete (retains for 7 days).

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m13a8:

hi, i just compiled mythtv from SVN and then when i try to run mythtv-setup, mythfrontend, or mythbackend, it says it can't find libmythtv-0.20.so.0 but i can find it both in /usr/lib and /usr/local/lib

[17:08:21]

qu0zl:

try running ldconfig as root?

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m13a8:

running...

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qu0zl:

try doing ls /usr/lib/libmythtv-0.20.so.0 and ls /usr/local/lib/libmythtv-0.20.so.0 in case you've not noticed an extra .0 so such

[17:09:10]

qu0zl:

i know it's an obvious suggestion, but half the time that happens to me i've just read it wrong ;)

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m13a8:

lol no i made sure it was right

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m13a8:

ldconfig is running

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m13a8:

ah

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m13a8:

it's in /usr/local/lib but not /usr/lib

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m13a8:

bleh

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m13a8:

i have all the libraries it needs in /usr/local/lib but it's looking for all of them in /usr/lib

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m13a8:

should i have made my prefix /usr/ instead of /usr/local?

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qu0zl:

nope, if it installed the libs in local it should look for them their too. and normally does

[17:12:40]

qu0zl:

you definitely don't have an old non-svn version of mythfrontned you're running?

[17:12:51]

qu0zl:

if you've the new in local and the old in non-local, you may run the old

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m13a8:

i don't have an old ver that i know of

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qu0zl:

heh, you'd probably know ;)

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m13a8:

the latest version i installed was from atrpms, that was a mistake lol

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m13a8:

and i havn't installed from source before, and i did remove the rpms

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qu0zl:

ahh that's what i meant, a non svn version, as those are usually not in 'local'

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qu0zl:

do 'which mythfrontend' and check /usr/bin and /usr/local/bin to make sure you don't have two versions

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m13a8:

which mythfrontend only gave me 1 ver, and the executeables are in /usr/local/bin, not /usr/bin

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qu0zl:

which mythfrontend will only ever give 1 ver. but if you've checked both /usr/local/bin and /usr/bin then that's not the problem :)

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qu0zl:

dunno sorry

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m13a8:

hmph

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m13a8:

well i'll just do this then

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qu0zl:

oh hang on

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qu0zl:

have you added /usr/local/lib to your LD_CONFIG_PATH?

[17:15:53]

qu0zl:

bet that's the problem. i'm half asleep here

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m13a8:

i don't think i have

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qu0zl:

LD_LIBRARY_PATH even

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qu0zl:

export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=$LD_LIBRARY_PATH:/usr/local/lib

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qu0zl:

as the user who is going to run mythfrontend

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qu0zl:

then try and run it, from the same shell you just typed that into

[17:17:04]

qu0zl:

if it works add that to your .bash_profile

[17:17:19]

Dibblah:

Ick.

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muxx:

/etc/ld.so.conf

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Dibblah:

;)

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m13a8:

yea that worked

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m13a8:

so i add the whole export buisiness to my .bash_profile?

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qu0zl:

yeah editing the ld.so.conf would be a better idea :)

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m13a8:

lol ok

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m13a8:

so

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m13a8:

all i see in there is include ld.os.conf.d/*.conf

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muxx:

ld.so.conf is system-wide

[17:19:00]

muxx:

there are files. or one file

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muxx:

they are included by that wildcard

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m13a8:

mmhmm

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muxx:

you can add /usr/local/lib after that "include" line

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m13a8:

ok

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Dagmar:

There's nothing more fun than screwing up your cache link order

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Dagmar:

Hint hint

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m13a8:

could i also put a file called local.conf in /etc/ld.so.conf.d/ and put "/usr/local/lib" in there?

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Dagmar:

m13a8: You could, but you'd be wasting your time

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muxx:

you could do that

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Dagmar:

You could just as easily put new files in /etc/spanky-spank/weetah/bing/nih.txt

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m13a8:

lol

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Dagmar:

It would have about as much effect

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m13a8:

so you're saying i should put it in /etc/ld.so.conf?

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Dagmar:

yes.

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clop:

so i got this nvidia card with s-video output, but the cable it comes with is really short... worse, it doesn't have that square thing at the bottom of the connection, so my long s-video cable (which does have the square part) doesn't fit into the card's output port :( :(

[17:22:07]

Dagmar:

Ldconfig reads /etc/ld.so.conf when it rebuilds the linker cache

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qu0zl:

pair of pliers and some force clop?

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muxx:

there should be no problem with _order_, since the libraries don't overlap

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Dagmar:

It doesn't go off reading other crazy-crazy files unless your distro has been naughty and modified it in non-standard ways

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Dagmar:

muxx: So long as he doesn't have an installation in /usr/lib as well as /usr/local/lib

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muxx:

debian supports includes

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clop:

qu0zl, that's what i'm thinking ;(

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m13a8:

Dagmar: i don't

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clop:

apparently that square part doesn't do anything

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muxx:

Dagmar> true. I missed that point

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qu0zl:

nah it just helps you align it easily when plugging it in

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Dagmar:

Great, so Debian has made something needlessly complex just to satisfy some fools desire for binary specialness

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muxx:

Dagmar> you are just a little bit harsh. 8) if you don't like includes, don't use them 8)

[17:25:09]

Dagmar:

muxx: I have worked on multiple unix variants for longer than most of this channel has had a computer.

[17:25:19]

Dagmar:

I know when something has been made uselessly complex

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muxx:

Dagmar> ooooooooooh

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Dagmar:

This definitely smells like such a thing. I'm googling right now to confirm my suspicions

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Dagmar:

Hey, if you think the idea's so great, why are they having to patch glibc? If it were that damn useful, wouldn't the glibc maintainers have accepted it upstream?

[17:26:49]

Dagmar:

Expect this sort of patch to just dwindle and die out within 5 years

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muxx:

Dagmar> I don't think this is a great idea. I don't think this is a terribly bad idea. I don't use debian. finally, if we start comparind how long someone has been doing this and that, that'd be really stupid.

[17:28:30]

Dagmar:

I think you should take a look at how often such a thing is actually *useful*

[17:28:44]

Dagmar:

Right now it looks like it's only going to be a useful thing on maybe 1 in 50,000 machines

[17:28:57]

Dagmar:

So there's extra complexity, for a seriously minor minority

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m13a8:

i still have a mysql database from a prevous mythtv install, should i empty it out or is it ok?

[17:29:46]

Dagmar:

m13a8: If you kept the recordings and care about them, you might wanna keep it. If you didn't and you don't you can flush it without worry

[17:30:13]

Dagmar:

It would probably be a good idea *to* flush it unless you've got recordings you're trying to preserve

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m13a8:

alright

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muxx:

Dagmar> this is an extension. no-one forces you to use it. I can think at least of one reason why this could be useful. although if it wasn't there, it wouldn't be a problem anyway

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m13a8:

even if i did have recordings i'd be trying to preserve i would've already encoded them to h.264 and put them somewhere else :)

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Dagmar:

muxx: Really, and what would that use be?>

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muxx:

Dagmar> you copy and unlink files in ld.so.conf.d directory, rather than edit /etc/ld.so.conf

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Dagmar:

m13a8: Ah then flush it right away

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Dagmar:

muxx: So why is this a *useful* thing?

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Dagmar:

Mind you that ld.so.conf has a ludicrously simple format to begin with

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muxx:

Dagmar> you don't see a difference between manipulating files in a directory and editing text files ? I understand that from an installer's point of view sed is not much different from cat/ln, but I don't pretend to know every aspect of the way these installers work

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Dagmar:

So you actually _don't_ know of anything useful that could come of this then.

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muxx:

Dagmar> wow, thank's for pointing that out. I tied my brain in a knot trying to understand the format

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muxx:

Dagmar> I said there are two different ways. instead of editing the file, you let the fs manage it. that's all

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Dagmar:

Man get a clue. You don't even know what they're using it for, and you're trying to tell me my assessment of it's utility is somehow wrong

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muxx:

Dagmar> afaik, they use it for libs precompiled for a particular architecture

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Dagmar:

So, how often do you think those are going to be running on one machine, eh?

[17:39:19]

Dagmar:

The only machine that benefits from it in a meaningful way is the machine they're using to build more than one platform's binaries on, and that's a big maybe

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Paladine:

my son just took his first steps :)

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Dagmar:

End user workstations and servers, nope

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seth|laptop:

Paladine: congrats, my daughter just took hers two days ago

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Paladine:

rocks

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Dagmar:

Mine about 14 years ago if I was lied ot

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Dagmar:

s/ot/to/;

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Paladine:

he has been walking and using furniture to hold onto for a couple o weeks

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muxx:

Dagmar> this is a stupid assumtion. in that case they'd rather set library paths explicitly

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Paladine:

but he just walked from me to the table without any support

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seth|laptop:

we had to re-arrange the entire living room to keep her away from the fireplace, anfd the entertainment center

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fryfrog:

ahah

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Paladine:

he had to go to the docs today after banging his head

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seth|laptop:

bad?

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Dagmar:

muxx: So still, you don't see it

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Paladine:

nah

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seth|laptop:

my daughter has a little bruise on her forehead, from falling on a playcenter of some sort, little people i think

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Paladine:

I phoned the doc after it happened to make sure everything was ok

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muxx:

Dagmar> don't see what exactly

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seth|laptop:

well thats good

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Paladine:

doc decided to check him out just to be on the safe side

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Paladine:

everything is fine

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seth|laptop:

kind of lik emine, more "offended" than "injured", and thats the way I'd like to keep it

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Dagmar:

muxx: I'm sure when they started out it was probably so that RPM could verify that /etc/ld.so.conf.d/blahblah.conf hasn't been tampered with after the install, but here's the problem with that... They're using a bloody wildcard to load everything in the directory

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seth|laptop:

closest hospital to where I live is 45 minutes

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Paladine:

the best thing about kids when they are starting to walk is when they stand up without holding onto anything

[17:43:34]

Paladine:

then like 30s later they realise they are stood independently

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Dagmar:

muxx: Including * is almost always a bad idea from a security standpoint, and it's not needed from a builder standpoint

[17:43:41]

Paladine:

and their face just turns to shock

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Paladine:

and they fall on their ass

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Dagmar:

muxx: Simple changes to one file are a ton easier to audit

[17:44:44]

muxx:

Dagmar> it is no less secure than having one text file. you have permissions on modifying directory

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Dagmar:

It *is* less secure

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muxx:

Dagmar> in case of monitoring, yes. apart from that — no

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Dagmar:

If they were thinking, they'd just extend RPM a tiny bit so that it would be able to build a list of what it *should* see in there on the fly going from the package invenroty

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seth|laptop:

hehe, kids are greast

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seth|laptop:

great even

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Dagmar:

But no, someone (probably from NASA) decided it would be simpler to change glibc?

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muxx:

Dagmar> sensei, Debian packaging system uses DEB

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muxx:

Dagmar> not RPM

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Dagmar:

muxx: Oh dear god no, not minor changes to *two* packaging systems

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Dagmar:

Redhat has the same silly patch

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Dagmar:

Do your research

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muxx:

Dagmar> we were talking about debian and you were blaming them afair

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Paladine:

seth how old is your daughter?

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queso:

Has anyone in here setup an ATI hdtv card for QCAM? I am not sure I have the settings on mine right

[18:02:05]

seth|laptop:

Paladine: she turned 1 yesterday

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Paladine:

cool

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Paladine:

I was thinking 11 months was probably a bit early for walking

[18:03:34]

Paladine:

Logan is 11 months and 5 days todays

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GreyFoxx:

Cool :) She get all messy with cake ?

[18:03:38]

Paladine:

-s

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juski:

bloody lirc!

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seth|laptop:

Paladine: well that is actually pretty impressive, she attempted to do so, but only if you held her hand, now she just goes.

[18:04:26]

GreyFoxx:

Paladine: My daughter started when she was 11.5months, so you might be getting close :)

[18:05:37]

muxx:

guys, I heard "lirc" and recalled something. is that the latest lirc version you suggest to use with mythtv ?

[18:05:59]

seth|laptop:

muxx: what kind of remote

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seth|laptop:

GreyFoxx: yeah, she needed 2 baths after cake, and mommy needed to change clothes, I stayed safely behind with the camcorder, hehe

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muxx:

I have no problems with remote (although it's an xbox dvd playback kit). lirc is working fine. I was asking about compatibility issues between lirc and mythtv

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Paladine:

GreyFoxx, my son just walked today

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Paladine:

at 11m5d

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seth|laptop:

I am using 0.7.0 w/ .20a mythtv, from mythtv.org

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juski:

oh I know I can just work around my problem by putting something in rc.local to setserial, then modprobe lirc_serial, then start lircd

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muxx:

Paladine> I don;t know you, but congratulations still 8)

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Paladine:

hehe thanks :)

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seth|laptop:

juski: put a hardware.conf file in /etc/lirc ?

[18:09:26]

muxx:

Paladine> I still remember how important it was at the time 8)

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juski:

seth|laptop: I dunno. will check later. time to eat now

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Paladine:

muxx, in our case it is very important

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Paladine:

becausehe is huge and too heavy to carry hehehe

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Paladine:

he is over 3 feet tall now

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muxx:

Paladine> hmmmm... feet.... 8)

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muxx:

Paladine> ~meter ?

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seth|laptop:

my girl is 37 – 1/2" and 26lbs

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Paladine:

3 feet is just under 1M

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muxx:

wow. 8)

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GreyFoxx:

seth|laptop: hehe I brought an extra cake just for her that day :) http://pics.phaze.org/?album=albums/2005/04-2 . . . 119.JPG&

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Paladine:

yeah Logan is 37" and 34lbs

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seth|laptop:

but I am 6'2" and her mother is 5'9"

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muxx:

carrying is not an option 8)

[18:12:22]

Paladine:

seth, Logan is in the 99.6th percentile height and weight wise

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Paladine:

dr's say he will likely break 7–7.5 feet as an adult

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seth|laptop:

wow

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Paladine:

he is in pull up trainer diapers now

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Paladine:

all the other diapers are too small

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Paladine:

and wearing clothes for 2–3 yr olds

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seth|laptop:

my girl wears 2t's

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muxx:

see you later chaps

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seth|laptop:

not in pull-ups yet though

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Paladine:

we put him in the size 6 diapers at night, but during the day he is in pullups

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GreyFoxx:

Happily Maya one day said "Potty!" and since then uses it 90% of the time

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Paladine:

your lass talking yet seth?

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Paladine:

Logan only says "Heya" "Mamma" and "Dadda" at the moment

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seth|laptop:

random words, not full sentences though, and she knows all of the boohbah characters names, and can say them

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seth|laptop:

even zing-zing-zing bah

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D-side:

thats a shame.

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seth|laptop:

hehe

[18:15:52]

D-side:

from what i know of those things

[18:16:01]

D-side:

farting fat little piles of crap as i recall

[18:16:04]

D-side:

with shifty eyes.

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GreyFoxx:

BooBah's are banned from my house, along with Barney

[18:16:11]

D-side:

GreyFoxx: HEAR HEAR

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D-side:

good man.

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fryfrog:

does anyone know how i can resolve "2 not fully installed or removed." in ubuntu?

[18:17:12]

fryfrog:

my mythtv and mythtv-database packages weren't able to configure themselves, but are working fine

[18:17:13]

seth|laptop:

ah, boohbah's are ok, she is slowly migrating to big big world, at least they teach you something

[18:17:19]

fryfrog:

i'd just like to... clear the error :)

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imperfect-:

fryfrog : maybe --force ?

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fryfrog:

imperfect-: that won't screw with any of my current settings or setup?

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imperfect-:

Shouldn't.... I mean if you're going apt-get remove --force anyway

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seth|laptop:

I'll be glad when she gets away from boohbah, I have 72GB of their shows recorded on my mythbox, damn obs HD

[18:18:00]

seth|laptop:

pbs HD

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fryfrog:

i dont' want to *remove* them

[18:18:17]

fryfrog:

because i'm using them

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imperfect-:

Oh!

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fryfrog:

i think it was myth's ubuntu auto database setup scrip thing that failed

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GreyFoxx:

I've always got a supply of Spongebob, Dora, Diego, Fairly odd parents and Jimmy Neutron on hand

[18:18:38]

fryfrog:

because mysql wasn't running *on* the box

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GreyFoxx:

hehe

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imperfect-:

Do you know what package?

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imperfect-:

Maybe a dpkg-reconfigure would help?

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fryfrog:

yeah, its "mythtv" and "mythtv-database"

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fryfrog:

i'll try reconfigure

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fryfrog:

oh, i have

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fryfrog:

it complains that it couldn't connect to the mysql socket in /blah/blah

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fryfrog:

which of course doesn't exist because my slave be / fe isn't *running* mysql locally

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imperfect-:

I'm gonna spend some serious time with my mythboxen this weekend

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imperfect-:

see if I can't get it to do what I want

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fryfrog:

stupid front end was booting from the "386" kernel which doesn't appear to be SMP :(

[18:24:49]

fryfrog:

i was missing 3 cpus!

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imperfect-:

fryfrog : well they have a 386-SMP for ubuntu

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imperfect-:

gotta look for the SMP tag

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fryfrog:

i just used the "generic" kernel that it installed originally

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fryfrog:

works fine

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imperfect-:

You've got a quadcore system?

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imperfect-:

That's hot.

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Paladine:

there's a 686 smp kernel as well I think

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Paladine:

I am pretty sure my edgy serveris 686 smp

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imperfect-:

fryfrog: apt-cache search |grep SMP

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imperfect-:

fryfrog : Give ya a list

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seth|laptop:

quad core <sound of homer drooling.

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imperfect-:

fryfrog: apt-cache search SMP

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imperfect-:

sorry

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Paladine:

edgy server installed the smp kernel automagically for my dual athlon MP system

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imperfect-:

I've got a core 2 duo

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imperfect-:

and it's SMP by default me thinks

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juski:

hrm. what's with mythfrontend using 99% just sitting there in the menus?

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fryfrog:

seth|laptop: nah, just a pair of HT xeons :(

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fryfrog:

root 4285 87.5 0.0 1724 512 ? Rs 14:24 7:40 /bin/dd bs 1 if /proc/kmsg of /var/run/klogd/kmsg

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fryfrog:

wtf in Ubuntu runs dd??? :p

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fryfrog:

its using 100% cpu, wtf?

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antiPo5ix:

anyone get the lirc_mceusb2 to transmit signals to a set to box?

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kormoc:

transmit no, you'd want to read up the lircd mailing lists about the state of that feature

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antiPo5ix:

I have.

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antiPo5ix:

everything seems to work, accept it doesnt

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juski:

gl painter is causing the excessive cpu usage. ach well. not missing much there

[18:34:22]

antiPo5ix:

I can send, no problems, the diode on the tranmitter blinks, but nudda

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antiPo5ix:

doesnt actually send

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fryfrog:

how do you disable the opengl painter from cmd line?

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juski:

antiPo5ix: possible the wrong code

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fryfrog:

its making x11vnc hard to use :)

[18:36:05]

juski:

fryfrog: update settings set data="qt" where hostname="$hostname" and value="ThemePainter";

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fryfrog:

juski: there is also a way you can disable it from the cmd line

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fryfrog:

mythfrontends

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juski:

I dunno then. mythfrontend --help ;)

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juski:

now to sort this bloody lirc out. I need setserial to happen _before_ lirc starts & loads the modules

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fryfrog:

in gentoo, you could put that in /etc/modules.d/lirc

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fryfrog:

let me paste you the line

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fryfrog:

pre-install lirc_serial setserial /dev/ttyS0 uart none

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juski:

guess in ubuntu that'd be /etc/modprobe.d/foorbar

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fryfrog:

ah, good i need to do it too :)

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seth|laptop:

antiPo5ix: I have lirc_mceusb2 working well

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fryfrog:

juski: what ubuntu packages did you install, just lirc?

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fryfrog:

or the lirc-modules-source?

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fryfrog:

also, did you end up in 6.06 or 6.10?

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juski:

lirc-modules-source & I used a guide superm1 pointed me at

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juski:

6.06

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juski:

but it'll work in 6.10

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fryfrog:

oh, got the url handy?

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juski:

https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Install_Lirc_Edgy

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fryfrog:

thanks

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antiPo5ix:

should I be getting interlaced artifacts? The shows are being played on a TV not a monitor

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seth|laptop:

juski: can you link setserial to /etc/init.d and then update-rc.d setserial boot ?

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antiPo5ix:

It looks fine through bob deinterlace

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fryfrog:

seth|laptop: its better to stick it with the module

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seth|laptop:

ah

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seth|laptop:

ok

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juski:

I tried putting the setserial in the init script before the module loading, but no dice

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seth|work:

well my laptop ceased working this morning

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seth|work:

need a new motherboard I'd wager

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Dagmar:

lol

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Dagmar:

They call those "mainboards"

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Dagmar:

...and the people who pay for their replacements "suckers"

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juski:

if I wanted to properly run the setserial command in the init script, should I be using su or just putting the command in there?

[18:47:18]

seth|work:

hehe, yeah there isn't much to it, I have it laying here on my desk

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seth|work:

has a funny shape

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Dagmar:

juski: If you're doing it in an init script, you're already root, dude

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juski:

Dagmar: fair nuff. so just slap /bin/setserial $foobar $options in there then

[18:48:20]

juski:

and that didn't work

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Dagmar:

Everything going on from init is uid 0 gid 0

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Dagmar:

It *should* work

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fryfrog:

there is nothing wrong with using the module method

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fryfrog:

in fact, it'd probably be *better*

[18:48:54]

fryfrog:

since you know nothing can come along behind it and screw things up

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Dagmar:

You can always stick a "set > /tmp/environment.txt" in there and see

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juski:

yeah there's nothing wrong with it, but htf do you do it in ubuntu?

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fryfrog:

it'll run the command then immedialy probe it

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fryfrog:

it wasn't that file you said?

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Dagmar:

Lemme look at what mine does real quick

[18:49:19]

Dagmar:

I've gotten past this hump

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Dagmar:

No wait, the @#$@$ myth box is still off

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juski:

it'll have something to do with /etc/modprobe.d

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fryfrog:

it is where ever you have "options" for modules

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Dagmar:

Well, I think I had mine probing the serial module just to make *sure* it was loaded, and then doing the uart none thing, and then modprobing the lirc module

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juski:

so /etc/modprobe.d/options then

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Dagmar:

...because there'll be a race condition after udev/hotplug is started

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fryfrog:

juski: i'll find out soon :)

[18:51:12]

Dagmar:

I decided it was probably easier to break the race entirely in my rc.lircd

[18:51:17]

Dagmar:

OH wait aha!

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** Dagmar goes to download his lirc *package& **

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seth|work:

in /etc/modules.conf ?

[18:52:30]

juski:

there's no /etc/modules.conf in umbongo

[18:52:45]

juski:

I think I found a way to fix it

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seth|work:

install knoppmyth, hehe

[18:53:29]

** seth|work slaps self **

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Dagmar:

juski: /sbin/setserial /dev/$SERIALPORT uart none

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Dagmar:

Ye might wanna make sure your device name is correct, unless you're actually specifying a basically redundant "/dev/" string in the config

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imperfect-:

juski: have you tried /etc/modules ?

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fryfrog:

okay, lirc and ivtv are easier in gentoo :/

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kormoc:

fryfrog, that's a no brainer! :P

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seth|work:

fryfrog: that harmony remote I got is the best

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cureless:

fryfrog: easier than what?

[19:00:42]

fryfrog:

wtf, it looks like lirc is failing to compile on my ubuntu box :(

[19:00:54]

fryfrog:

because its trying to compile a bunch of the lirc modules i didn't select :/

[19:01:01]

** seth|work hands fryfrog a knoppmyth cd **

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cureless:

fryfrog: how are you compiling lirc?

[19:01:09]

fryfrog:

screw knoppmyth :)

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seth|work:

hehe

[19:01:15]

fryfrog:

https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Install_Lirc_Edgy

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cureless:

the compilation shouldn't fail, irrelevant of the modules you selected. (though they might not load correctly)

[19:02:34]

cureless:

are you using the standard kernel?

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fryfrog:

the "-generic" one?

[19:04:10]

fryfrog:

if that, yes

[19:04:30]

fryfrog:

oh, there it goes

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cureless:

I meant did you compile it yourself or is it an ubuntu kernel

[19:04:33]

fryfrog:

not sure what i did different :)

[19:04:38]

fryfrog:

oh, yeah ubuntu's kernel

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fryfrog:

juski: I think the file is "/etc/modutils/lirc"

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fryfrog:

does ubuntu not compile serial as a module?

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Dagmar:

Even if they do, uart none will make it let go

[19:13:51]

fryfrog:

ah, looks like its not reading the right port is all

[19:13:59]

fryfrog:

need to figure out where that is set :)

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melunko:

Hello there, I am trying to play remote livetv, but backend stops sending data via the file transfer socket....

[19:17:44]

melunko:

The log says: J"obQueue: Currently set at 1 job(s) max and to run new jobs from 00:00 to 23:59"

[19:18:00]

melunko:

and QUERY_BLOCK returns (-1)

[19:18:13]

melunko:

does anyone here could help me?

[19:18:24]

imperfect-:

Anyone know how I can make SDTV not look like crap on my LCD? ;)

[19:19:40]

seth|work:

imperfect-: using coax cable or a/v cables

[19:21:21]

fryfrog:

where the hell is ubuntu getting its port info for serial ports?

[19:21:31]

Dagmar:

imperfect-: Correctly configure your stuff so that the image is only rescaled *once*

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fryfrog:

no matter what i do, it always tries 0x2f8 instead of 0x3f8 :/

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cureless:

those addresses remind me of my old BBS days

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Dagmar:

learn how to use setserial properly trhen

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Dagmar:

...because you're going to have to do an end-run about Ubuntu's madness seems like

[19:24:44]

Dagmar:

s/about/around/

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juski:

imperfect-: I'm loading the lirc_serial module just fine, but I need setserial to run _before_ that.

[19:25:47]

juski:

I could definitely screw around with runlevel 5 a bit

[19:25:47]

Dagmar:

juski: http://dagmar.droplinegnome.org/experimental/rc.lircd http://dagmar.droplinegnome.org/experimental/rc.lircd.conf

[19:26:38]

Dagmar:

juski: Running setserial to kill off the association between the serial port and the serial module is exactly what that rc.lircd does

[19:27:04]

Dagmar:

I *knew* I had a copy of it jsut lying around in the open somewhere

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juski:

cheers

[19:28:54]

Dagmar:

The conditional right below "http://dagmar.droplinegnome.org/experimental/rc.lircd" is however, the result of some drinking I was doing that night

[19:29:03]

Dagmar:

I fat fingered something and thought I'd found an error condition

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Dagmar:

In practice, it just shoudlnt' ever trigger unless someone has no serial ports at all, so... heh. I've not botherd to edit that out yet

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mchou:

unbelievable......

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mchou:

I think my motorola STB just updated it's own firmware.....

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Dagmar:

WOw

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mchou:

cableco probably turned on 5C

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mchou:

mfsckers

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Dagmar:

My condolences

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mchou:

need to check it out when i get a chance

[19:33:13]

mchou:

damn STB is on an UPS and it just reset itself

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Dagmar:

I'd say that's pretty damning evidence they just did a firmware update on you

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mchou:

yup

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Dagmar:

You're renting that, right?

[19:33:59]

mchou:

indeedy

[19:34:04]

Dagmar:

Ah well

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mchou:

I dont think it would had made a diff if I owned the STB outright

[19:34:33]

Dagmar:

I bought my cablemodem and somehow Comcast managed to screw up and reflash it with a version of the software they use which woudln't let me see signal status or strenght

[19:34:44]

Dagmar:

That was a rather heated discussion I had with them

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GreyFoxx:

That's the reason why my local cable ISP will not let you bring in outside modems. It's gotta be one of these or they wont let you use it

[19:38:18]

juski:

sod it. just gone the whole hog in rc.local

[19:38:49]

fryfrog:

juski: i think i figured it out btw

[19:39:33]

juski:

gonna change the sequence sshd starts at too. bloody annoying that it doesn't come up til X is running

[19:39:37]

fryfrog:

in the file /etc/modprobe.d/lirc_serial

[19:39:38]

fryfrog:

install setserial /dev/ttyS0 uart none; modprobe --ignore-install lirc_serial;

[19:39:42]

fryfrog:

options lirc_serial irq=4 io=0x3f8

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fryfrog:

those two lines are what i have done

[19:39:50]

fryfrog:

but i'm not sure how to test it, i guess reboot

[19:40:01]

juski:

yup

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juski:

my frontend must be fsking

[19:40:30]

juski:

bloody well hope it is

[19:42:11]

juski:

oh shit

[19:43:36]

fryfrog:

why, what'd you do?

[19:44:00]

fryfrog:

stupid ubuntu question, how do you look at your active/inactive boot scripts and how do you turn them on and off? :)

[19:44:03]

fryfrog:

cmd line

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imperfect-:

fryfrog: ls /etc/rc.[whatever leve]/

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cureless:

fryfrog: doesn't ubuntu have some graphical tool for that?

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PSU:

hi guys, do you know if knoppmyth has ssh enabled by default?

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imperfect-:

either link to the appropriate files in /etc/init.d/ or not

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fryfrog:

cureless: prolly, but i'm ssh'd to the box

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fryfrog:

imperfect-: okay, fine so i'll do it the no fun way!

[19:45:00]

fryfrog:

gentoo has "rc-update" :p

[19:45:09]

imperfect-:

OH there might be something like that for ubuntu

[19:45:10]

imperfect-:

;)

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cureless:

fryfrog: you can ssh -X and use the graphical tool

[19:45:11]

imperfect-:

I have no idea

[19:45:12]

imperfect-:

;)

[19:45:16]

fryfrog:

what is the default runlevel for ubuntu, 3 or 5?

[19:45:22]

imperfect-:

runlevel

[19:45:22]

imperfect-:

;)

[19:45:24]

imperfect-:

typem it

[19:45:25]

imperfect-:

love it

[19:45:26]

imperfect-:

live it

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cureless:

fryfrog: if it's like debian its 2

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fryfrog:

cureless: graphical tools are bitches!

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cureless:

fryfrog: you can just run "runlevel" and it'll tell you

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fryfrog:

N 2?

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cureless:

s/its/it's/

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fryfrog:

ah, i see

[19:46:14]

fryfrog:

i'm used to runlevel 1 being single user, 3 being no-X and 5 being X

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cureless:

yeah, redhat style

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PSU:

guys any idea what it means if i try to SSH in and i get "Server responded "No further authentication methods available". "

[19:48:03]

fryfrog:

well, here goes an attempt at a big bowl of chicken-nothing-soup!

[19:48:13]

cureless:

PSU: you don't have the right authentication methods. Maybe they don't allow password logins, only rsa/dsa

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juski:

fryfrog: gonna try that now

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PSU:

cureless: hmm this is the knoppmyth box...i had tried to ssh yesterday and i received a key

[19:49:05]

PSU:

but today i get that error

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PSU:

i never did get on w/ ssh though

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PSU:

cureless: will a restart help?

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fryfrog:

juski: i need to reboot to make sure the setserial command is run, unless you know how to *undo* that command?

[19:49:24]

juski:

fryfrog: btw I found that tool you're looking for earlier

[19:49:37]

juski:

sysv-rc-config IIRC

[19:49:50]

fryfrog:

didn't ubuntu move to a new sysinit system?

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m13a8:

:- mythbackend responds when i try to execute it but not when i try to start it as a service, is this common?

[19:50:08]

fryfrog:

yes, common

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juski:

fryfrog: oh yeah. prolly no good for you upstart geezers

[19:50:11]

fryfrog:

:p

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m13a8:

fryfrog: lol then there must be an easy fix for it?

[19:50:23]

juski:

all too common

[19:50:25]

fryfrog:

m13a8: the information provided does not help!

[19:50:30]

m13a8:

ok

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fryfrog:

m13a8: what is the difference in the log file output?

[19:50:34]

m13a8:

i run mythbackend

[19:50:39]

m13a8:

it starts like a happy little clam

[19:50:41]

m13a8:

then

[19:50:47]

m13a8:

i do sudo /sbin/service mythbackend start

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fryfrog:

what does your service script try and do?

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m13a8:

and it says unrecognized service

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juski:

mythbackend can act like a clam?!

[19:51:02]

m13a8:

juski: yes.

[19:51:03]

fryfrog:

probably it is called "mythtv-backend"

[19:51:10]

fryfrog:

what distro?

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m13a8:

FC6

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juski:

is that cos it runs under a shell?

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juski:

;)

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fryfrog:

do "ls /etc/init.d/*myth*

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fryfrog:

that'll get you the name of the service

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fryfrog:

uh, where does redhat keep init scripts?

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juski:

ahh then you don't have an init script

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m13a8:

in /init.d

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fryfrog:

maybe "/etc/rc.d/init.d/?

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m13a8:

nothing there either

[19:52:18]

fryfrog:

look for one you know exists

[19:52:25]

fryfrog:

wait, did you use rpms or compile from source?

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m13a8:

SVN

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fryfrog:

oh

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fryfrog:

silly bitch, afaik myth doesn't come with init scripts :p

[19:52:52]

juski:

yeah it does

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m13a8:

lol

[19:52:56]

juski:

in contrib

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fryfrog:

well, it isn't going to *install* it, is it?

[19:53:08]

juski:

or rather, _example_ init scripts

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juski:

hahaha no

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m13a8:

lol

[19:53:23]

m13a8:

ok

[19:53:36]

m13a8:

i found etc..rc.d.init.d.mythbackend

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fryfrog:

so just find your distros and put it in the right place

[19:53:45]

fryfrog:

oh?

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m13a8:

i'm gonna copy that to /etc/rc.d/init.d/ and do that

[19:53:47]

m13a8:

yea

[19:53:48]

fryfrog:

rar!

[19:53:48]

m13a8:

in the source

[19:54:02]

fryfrog:

holey honeypoop

[19:54:13]

fryfrog:

even though the mouse isn't *visible*, when i'm using tightbvnc i can click buttons!

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m13a8:

yep

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m13a8:

that worked

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m13a8:

fryfrog: lol

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juski:

fryfrog: gl painter

[19:54:34]

fryfrog:

?

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fryfrog:

i had to switch to qt for use over x11vnc

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m13a8:

goooo mythfilldatabase gooooooo :D

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juski:

ah yes but you needeth to restarteth mythfrontend-eth ;)

[19:55:20]

fryfrog:

yeah, well i was doing it from cmd line

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fryfrog:

"mythfrontend -O MenuPainter=qt or some such

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juski:

htm

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juski:

hrm

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juski:

hahaha!

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capt-silver:

my hard drives are getting too small for mythtv. 200–300GB just will not do! I am now trying to use softlinks to /mythtv/tv and /mythtv/videos /mythtv/music to external USB2 hard drives..will that work ?

[20:02:55]

juski:

sudo update-rc.d setserial defaults 98

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juski:

sudo update-rc.d lirc defaults 99

[20:03:15]

juski:

then setserial will happen before lirc :)

[20:03:29]

fryfrog:

capt-silver: raid5, ftw

[20:03:36]

fryfrog:

juski: why not just put it in the module file?

[20:03:46]

fryfrog:

so that when the module is loaded, setserial is *forced* to run before

[20:04:02]

juski:

call this the double-barrelled approach then

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fryfrog:

ah

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juski:

but the update-rc.d method would work I think

[20:06:20]

fryfrog:

sure, but... imho putting an init script to run setserial is dumb-tarded when the module loading system provides a method for doing it :)

[20:06:31]

juski:

time to install mythfrontend & OS from a flat HDD. under one hour. time to get lirc working == one day

[20:06:34]

juski:

ffs

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fryfrog:

but, in the end... if it works... it works, eh?

[20:06:47]

juski:

I'm not a noob & I found today very harrowing

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juski:

and I'd still have had to tweak knoppmyth even if I'd used that

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juski:

irw: connection refused

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juski:

!!!

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juski:

setserial still didn't run

[20:08:47]

juski:

so neither method nipped it

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fryfrog:

weird :/

[20:09:16]

fryfrog:

did setserial *run*?

[20:09:18]

fryfrog:

and on the right port?

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imperfect-:

juski: Have you thought about putting it in inittab ?

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juski:

I dunno. but doing setserial -a /dev/ttyS0 tells me it's still active

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imperfect-:

What's the issue with setserial?

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juski:

I need it to run _before_ lirc starts

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imperfect-:

lircd or the lirc modules?

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juski:

because lirc loads the module

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fryfrog:

no, you need it to run before the lirc_serial module loads

[20:11:13]

imperfect-:

and rmmoding the module isn't an option?

[20:11:14]

fryfrog:

do you know how to *undo* the setserial command?

[20:11:15]

fryfrog:

so i can test?

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PSU:

ok so as far as adjusting the screen size on my tv...i am reading the wikipedia page. can this be done from a ssh terminal?

[20:11:42]

juski:

setserial /dev/ttyS0 uart

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fryfrog:

says missing arg

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imperfect-:

I mean if it's that big of a deal you could killall -9 lircd; rmmod lirc_serial; setserial whatever; insmod lirc_serial ; lircd

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juski:

imperfect-: trying if at all possible to do things _properly_ here ;)

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** jams kicks the broken samba.spec file across the room and into the trash **

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juski:

if my fucking serial ports were kernel modules I'd just not load em

[20:14:20]

juski:

;)

[20:14:22]

imperfect-:

juski: inittab is pretty .... okay

[20:14:43]

juski:

tempting

[20:15:03]

imperfect-:

well

[20:15:09]

imperfect-:

to at least solve the proiblem for now

[20:15:33]

juski:

another thing I can do is rename the setserial init script so it comes before lirc

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imperfect-:

well

[20:16:09]

imperfect-:

There's that

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fryfrog:

lirc_serial: port 03f8 already in use

[20:16:13]

fryfrog:

stupid thing :/

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imperfect-:

but i thought you said the module was your problem

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juski:

imperfect-: no, the fact that the init script (which runs before setserial) is loading the module is the problem

[20:16:55]

juski:

hrm

[20:17:04]

juski:

I could just make hardware.conf say to not load the modules

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juski:

then in rc.local do setserial then load the module

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fryfrog:

juski: this /etc/modprobe.d/lirc_serial isn't being read for the "install" option or something :/

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juski:

fryfrog: sucky eh?

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juski:

three lines have fixed it I think

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juski:

/bin/setserial /dev/ttyS0 uart none

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juski:

modprobe lirc_serial

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juski:

/usr/sbin/lircd

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juski:

all in rc.local

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juski:

before I start x

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imperfect-:

You dont have a serial mouse or anything weird do you?

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imperfect-:

Anything that would require X to load a serial driver?

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juski:

nope

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juski:

oh wait

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imperfect-:

..waiting.

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imperfect-:

I just wanna be able to watch HDTV content and SDTV over my network

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imperfect-:

That's all

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imperfect-:

;)

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juski:

for some stupid reason xorg.conf has stuff about tablets & styli.. they're now pulled

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imperfect-:

Yeah

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imperfect-:

wacom and stuff

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imperfect-:

ubuntu does that gay shyt

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imperfect-:

I've yet to figure out why.... i'm assuming so people will be all like

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imperfect-:

"wow! it works out of the box!"

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Thomas22:

I looking for a url to go to to d/l the correct channel changer file for my SA8300 to use with lircd and mythtv. I have lircd working on redhat already, I just cant seam to locate a working codes file for my SA8300

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seth|work:

what is a SA3800

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seth|work:

rather SA8300

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Thomas22:

scientific atlantiv 8300 cable box from us cablevision

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seth|work:

http://lirc.sourceforge.net/remotes/scientific_atlanta/AT8400 did you try this?

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seth|work:

name SAE8000 looks like it my be generic for the series

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Thomas22:

I've tried that with no results.

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seth|work:

irw yields no results?

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Thomas22:

hmmm, this is where Im now beyond my understanding. irw works, when I press anykey on the remote, It displays the correct info.

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fryfrog:

dpkg-reconfigure setserial

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fryfrog:

it looks like the "setserial" script *forces* a uart at boot

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seth|work:

I was just down this road withmy remote, irw saw keypresses, but lircrc was incorrect, but this was not with a scientific alanta produt, just thought it might help

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seth|work:

then modify you ~/.mythtv/lircrc file to reflect the keypress info

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seth|work:

that is exactly what happened to me

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seth|work:

I had to press each key, write down what it showed, and then modify lircrc

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seth|work:

quicker than changing key commands in mythtv/setup/edit keys

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Thomas22:

really. dang.

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Thomas22:

let me work on that some more. Im also looking for a channel changes script for the cable receiver too.

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Thomas22:

lircd to configure was easy, the docs were good. its now getting it to work with the cable receiver which Im going nuts over.

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baxter_kylie:

Hi. What could cause a freeze of LiveTv after approximately 30 minutes of view (IVTV, Myth 0.20) but does not freeze Myth? I can exit out of livetv and resume playback but the picture simply freezes and audio stops playing.

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seth|work:

Thomas22: you have an ir blaster?

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Thomas22:

no, I have a pvr150 with its remote.

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juski:

fryfrog: that's no use because the init script will still load after the lirc init script

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juski:

weird. when I run /etc/rc.local myself, the right stuff happens & lirc works

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juski:

but at boot time it doesn't

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juski:

maybe the paths were wrong, or rather just not there.. that might've done it

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juski:

yet another reboot

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juski:

jees this is as bad as getting a tuner card working in windows

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juski:

worky? no.. reboot. worky? no.. reboot?

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juski:

oh hell. I wonder if there are any init processes _after_ rc.local

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GreyFoxx:

That would be weird

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juski:

ok then. I can put the damn thing in my .xinitrc

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GreyFoxx:

rc.local "should" always be the last

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juski:

this is ubuntu

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juski:

;)

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juski:

god I miss gentoo

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D-side:

haha

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juski:

right. here's my rc.local script: http://pastebin.ca/251166

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juski:

works when I do sudo /etc/rc.local but not at bootup apparently

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juski:

anyone see anything wrong with it that might be stopping it working when init starts it?

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juski:

btw the su like is meant to be commented out ;)

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juski:

s/like/line

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jams:

nothing in there runs?

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jams:

or just the setserial line?

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juski:

hard to say, but lircd isn't starting that's for sure

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D-side:

juski: well lets find out. touch a file in that script, restart.

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jams:

first thing I would do, is insert a line like "touch /tmp/I_ran"

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D-side:

jams: too slow. :D

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jams:

yeah what D-side said

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jams:

dang it.

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juski:

shoved some of this in there after each step

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juski:

echo "step 1 done" >> /tmp/juski

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juski:

ahh the lircd bit is puking

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juski:

changed --device= to -d

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D-side:

aha

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juski:

see what happens this time

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juski:

dammit I always put echos in my perl & shell scripts, just never thought this time (duh!)

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D-side:

heh

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juski:

lirc, you _will_ be my bitch

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D-side:

suuuure you do. :)

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D-side:

juski: man i went through that same hell once before.

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juski:

no I do. I have to when I dunno wtf I'm doing

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juski:

you should see me printing out bits of strings when I'm working out a regex

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juski:

nup. still not working. hrm

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Dibblah:

juski: Is it possible you're assuming ~ = /root?

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Dibblah:

The environment in the init scripts usually ends up with home being /...

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juski:

I dunno. I wouldn't be asking for help if I knew what I was doing precisely ;)

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Dibblah:

Do you have a lircrc or whatever in ~root?

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Dibblah:

And none in /

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juski:

lircd doesn't look for a lircrc file does it?

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Dibblah:

No.

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Dibblah:

Hmmm... lircd.

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Dibblah:

I have no idea.

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juski:

all the paths that are pertinent to this bit are right AFAICT

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D-side:

even if it did, it would still run.

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Dibblah:

Why aren't you using the init scripts from your distro?

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D-side:

are you sure its FAILING, or maybe not even running?

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juski:

result!

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Dibblah:

:)

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juski:

had to remove it (lirc init script) from the runlevel

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D-side:

i mean, one really ghetto way to check is to append "&& touch /tmp/itreallyran"

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D-side:

i might not be helpful right now, so sorry if this is all just noise. :D

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juski:

hopefully this is the last goddam reboot tonight

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Dibblah:

Reboot? Didn't know lirc worked in Windows... ;)

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k-man:

anyone here using daemontools to monitor the mythtv-backend process?

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juski:

oh yeah I coulda just entered a different runlevel instead.. que sera

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juski:

woohoo!

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Hoxzer:

k-man: I have used monit

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Hoxzer:

does same job anyways

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Hoxzer:

"mythbackend running 17d 2h 59m 0.2% 3.9% [30592 kB]

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Hoxzer:

^^

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k-man:

Hoxzer, ah, thats cool

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k-man:

Hoxzer, yeah, its very annoying when the backend dies and doesn't restart

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rboehme:

I'm running mythtv 0.18 on Ubuntu with a pcHDTV 5500. I have two problems: videos vanish from the disk and the record list immediately after recording if they're not being watched, and my video has really bad blocking.

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kormoc:

rboehme, how much drive space is free?

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rboehme:

checking

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rboehme:

/dev/sdb2 176G 69G 107G 40% /video

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rboehme:

so, 107 gig free

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kormoc:

and you have myth set to keep how much drive space free?

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rboehme:

I think 80 gig

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kormoc:

so it shouldn't be that then, strange

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brad_mssw:

eh, it could be that, considering some of my recordings off my pchdtv can be in excess of 20G :/

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brad_mssw:

especially football games

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brad_mssw:

you might check your drive for consistency though

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rboehme:

fsck?

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brad_mssw:

depends on your filesystem ... fsck doesn't work on xfs for example

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rboehme:

these recording are usually 1/2 hour – 1 hour shows

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brad_mssw:

and turn on the bad block checking

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brad_mssw:

hmm, i wonder if myth logs when it deletes a recording...

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brad_mssw:

to know if it's a myth issue

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brad_mssw:

btw, if you're running xfs, I'd strongly recommend running xfs_fsr nightly

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brad_mssw:

i had major issues until I started doing that

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brad_mssw:

(on my 500G Western Digital SATA HD at least)

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kormoc:

mmm... defragging...

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brad_mssw:

yeah, freaking XFS doesn't fragment my ass

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rboehme:

hmm. I've forgot which fs my /video is set as

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fryfrog:

yeah, running xfs_fsr nightly for me helped a ton with fast deletes

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fryfrog:

but *every* file system fragments, its unavoidable

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brad_mssw:

not just fast deletes, but since it ordered my data, i could actually watch HD content ... previously it was choppy, all because it was hopping all around the disk

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brad_mssw:

yeah, ext3 is better about it than XFS though it seems

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rboehme:

hmm, /video is jfs

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brad_mssw:

(mainly because I record more than one show at a time, i guess it interleaves the data a bit)

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rboehme:

hmm, in my /video/mythtv/ I have a nfslockfile.lock file. Is that normal? It's owned by root.

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Pupbuntoo:

hi, when i'm at the graphical menus (like "watch tv, media library, etc") i can toggle through with the arrows, but when i get to button menus (like, "do you really want to exit?" the arrows don't work... do you know what i shoudl change in the lirc rc file to bind the arrows to?

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juski:

Pupbuntoo: you should use a wm then. mythfrontend has lost focus

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Pupbuntoo:

juski, ooh, i see... i'm running it on Desktop :1 instead of :0, so I'm not even sure how to change the focus there

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fryfrog:

I need some help resolving skipping issues: I used to use gentoo, and everything was pretty much okay. In the last 2 weeks, my tv frontend had started doing high cpu usage, but it still played HD

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fryfrog:

now, both of my frontends use *massive* cpu (100% on one, more than 100% on the other) to play HD *and* it is still skipping

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fryfrog:

XvMC skipps the worst, "standard" is *almost* okay and "libmpeg2" is crap

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fryfrog:

the new systems are running Ubuntu

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fryfrog:

I'm running out of things to look at :/

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brad_mssw:

fryfrog: xvmc doesn't work for hd on my geforce 6600

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brad_mssw:

fryfrog: what is your CPU? are you using deinterlacing? what are your vertical sync flags set as?

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brad_mssw:

fryfrog: my main thing though to fix skipping was running xfs_fsr to defrag my xfs partition ...

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natoka:

fryfrog: how about mplayer & XvMC – is that also causing 100%cpu

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fryfrog:

sorry, i asked then went away :p

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fryfrog:

i just tested mplayer on a file over nfs, it played okay w/o skipping, but mplayer did say "this system is to slow" cpu usage was about 75%

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fryfrog:

using "-vo xvmc" failed though, it'd play audio for half a sec, then stop

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fryfrog:

-vo xv and -vo x11 played though

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nordle:

hello, I've got two nova-t cards setup, dvb-0 and dvb-1. myth can see them, as I assigned a channel list to them and under the backend status it sais "adaptor 0 and adaptor 1". But how do I use them? eg Im watching live tv, I hit record as I want to record it, but now I'd like to watch/record somthing else, but I cant navigate away from the current record without it stopping. So could someone briefly help me understand? I've checked the docs, but

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Anduin:

nordle: You could exit and come back, or hit Y

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natoka:

fryfrog: depending on the system you might need patches / special configure flags for mplayer to work with your XvMC hardware

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natoka:

fryfrog: and most likely you won't get around compiling mplayer on your own ...

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nordle:

Anduin: cheers, I tried exit and it stopped the current recording.....will go and have a look at key mapping to find out what Y is, many thanks!

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fryfrog:

blech, i switched to ubuntu to avoid all that. i don't mind not having a great mplayer, what i want is damn myth to playback w/o skipping like a 10 year old playing hopskotch

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Anduin:

nordle: You could just save yourself the trouble and skip to the point where you just record everything

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nordle:

Anduin: Y= "Switch Capture Card view" I blame my eyesight! :) I missed that.....just need to find a spear key in remote now... Anduin, how do mean, I cant record everything, I'd need like 20 cards :)

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Anduin:

nordle: You can't watch everything either, most of us pick a few shows we enjoy and focus on watching them :)

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nordle:

Anduin: Im slowly starting to appreciate what a pvr can do, and slightyl what myth can do, I haven't setup groups/profiles or favourites, or ratings, or priorities or.....loads... getting there though. I started with one nova-t, then after a few weeks found I wanted to record some stuff while watching something else, so needed the 2nd card.

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nordle:

Oh, and for the record (if there is one) the nova-t's (PCI dvb) seem to cope with low signal areas MUCH better than my compro DVB-T200. Just thought I'd mention it in case someone in the future asks, and someone here remembers. The compro is terrible only 10 channels, it needs strong signal, the nova's pickup around 35 channels on the same aerial.

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juski:

nordle: cheers for the info

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** juski is finally happy with his myth frontend again (yay!) **

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fryfrog:

juski: did you have to do anything special to get your frontends to *not* play skippy? :/

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SpudDogg:

Does anyone know why I can get sound from my onboard sound card with headphones, but nothing when I plug that into the input on a PVR-350?

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juski:

fryfrog: just install ubuntu & enable realtime priority threads

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juski:

SpudDogg: yeah you're going the wrong way

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fryfrog:

juski: damnit, been there done that :/

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fryfrog:

know of a good way to test that xvmc is setup and working properly? mplayer -vo xvmc?

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juski:

yup

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fryfrog:

at least i got mpd running okay on both systems :)

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juski:

or xine -V xxmc (for nvidia) IIRC

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fryfrog:

jinzora, ftw!

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fryfrog:

okay, i'll try xine too

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fryfrog:

and at the *very* least, it is recording :)

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juski:

I think it's time to edit my fstab to change the mount options for my shares

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fryfrog:

leaving me free to fix playback at my leasure

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juski:

damnit WOL isn't working on ubuntu either. the driver leaves the LAN chip in a state of disarray

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SpudDogg:

juski: so I need to route the PVR-350 audio into the onboard sound card via the mic jack?

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juski:

the _line_ jack

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nordle:

If watching live tv, press record, I then press Y to switch adapters and nothing happens. I press a different channel number and nothing happens, this happens because its recording but I thought it might switch adapters automagically. I can use Y to change adapters when watching live tv, but only if i have not clicked the record button, if record clicked then pressing Y does nothing. How should I be working it correctly? Its not always easy to sched

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kuse:

Can u force X to "send" out a specific resolution? Cause now I only get correct picture if my projector is turned on before X starts?

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fryfrog:

kuse: sure

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fryfrog:

exit your xorg.conf file

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nordle:

kuse: You can setup different "monitor" devices, and have a specific resolution for that if you need to have more than one

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fryfrog:

you might need to use some fancy "ignore edid" type options, depending on your driver

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fryfrog:

cat /proc/mounts

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fryfrog:

its *possible* that ubuntu defaults to nfsvers=3

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fryfrog:

it wouldn't surprise me

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kuse:

fryfrog: ok, do u know what options that is for aquire that?

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juski:

192.168.1.10:/media /media nfs ro,v3,rsize=32768,wsize=32768,hard,lock,proto=tcp,addr=192.168.1.10 0 0

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fryfrog:

kuse: not off the top of my head, plus i don't know what video card you have, what distro you are using and...

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fryfrog:

there ya go :)

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juski:

32k a good size?

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fryfrog:

damn, nice rsize and wsize too

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fryfrog:

imma switch mine to that, i just hadn't done the math yet :)

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juski:

heheh

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kuse:

fryfrog: hehe sure, nvidia drivers it is gforce4 t1 4200

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fryfrog:

juski: i don't see "sync" or "async"

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juski:

ubuntu == linux for (lazy) human beings

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fryfrog:

you may want to do a dd test on read/write speed, then throw in an "async" and see if it goes up

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fryfrog:

kuse: the nvidia help docs have some info on the special nvidia options you can use, otherwise just edit your xorg.conf and find the section where it talks about resoultions

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juski:

I tried dd'ing /dev/random to a dir I have write privs on.. man was it ever slow

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fryfrog:

you should be okay just nuking all the ones you don't like

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fryfrog:

juski: use /dev/zero

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fryfrog:

random isn't very fast

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juski:

9.5MB/sec :)

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juski:

not bad for 100mbit

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juski:

hrm so why is mythvideo PiTA slow to browse the gallery?

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juski:

prolly need to cache more images

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juski:

!! !E_no_jack_daniels_left

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juski:

whee only 9 mythtv case badgers left :)

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cesman:

hi juski

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