Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Tuesday, November 14th, 2006, 00:00 UTC

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juski:

psofa: if (!gContext->GetNumSetting("AggressiveSoundcardBuffer", 0)) audio_buffer_unused = 0;

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psofa:

juski, in outputalsa.cpp audio_buffer_unused = soundcard_buffer_size – (fragment_size * 4);

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juski:

so the setting is being overwritten?

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psofa:

i suppose the fist one overrides the second

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RyeBrye3:

kamilC – ln -s... it's like an alias on another system

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juski:

psofa: do you use bob deinterlace?

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juski:

I find playback is fine when I don't deinterlace

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psofa:

well i find playback laggier when not using it

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juski:

bob deinterlacing uses twice the framerate, maybe that's screwing with stuff

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psofa:

but using it results in a strange flicker even when using my lcd

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juski:

heh

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juski:

the fact that using timestretch fixes the problem is still very telling methinks

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juski:

because then it's using libsoundtouch & not the regular engine

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psofa:

juski, err what is timestretch

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psofa:

or even better how do i change it :P

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Todd:

hey guys..I don't see the setting to change the live-TV buffer dir in mythtv-etup.. is there a way to set this manually?

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juski:

psofa: 1.1x, 1.2x, 1.3x etc

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juski:

psofa: press A then arrow keys to adjust it

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psofa:

ok

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juski:

Todd: it's gone. all livetv is now recorded in the same place as the rest of the recordings

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Todd:

oooh. Ok.

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juski:

this is mentioned in the FAQ

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Todd:

That actually makes things easier

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psofa:

juski, lol crap

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Todd:

I must be looking at an old version, sorry

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kormoc:

Todd, they're just auto-expired first, or after 24 hours, which ever comes first

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psofa:

ive broken my box

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psofa:

cant test anything :P

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juski:

psofa: eh?

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Todd:

gotcha. thanks ;)

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juski:

whoops

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psofa:

libexpat.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory

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juski:

psofa: I bet it's ok with timestretch of 1.1 or 0.9

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psofa:

you know what this means

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kormoc:

psofa, well, you could just install libexpat

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psofa:

ill have to recompile all shit

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psofa:

kormoc, no

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kormoc:

nah, usually not

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psofa:

theres been an abi change

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psofa:

in libexpat

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kormoc:

well, yeah

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kormoc:

but new version of expat doesn't work with myth anyway

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juski:

kormoc: what's your take on these audio issues then?

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kamilC:

hey another quick question.... can you make symlinks to network shares?

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kormoc:

I had to keep the old API or else it wouldn't work

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juski:

kamilC: yes

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kormoc:

juski, honestly, I'm not entirely sure... I haven't been following to closely, sorry

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psofa:

kormoc, err i suppose you have to recompile qt

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juski:

kamilC: so long as you always mount the shares to the same place you can anyway

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kormoc:

psofa, worked fine with QT, just caused myth to segfault

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kamilC:

juski: hmmm... thats what i thought i did... its on my desktop but when i do ls -al in the terminal it doesnt show it there

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cureless:

kamilC: what are you trying to do again?

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kamilC:

cureless: im just trying to make mythtv look for videos/audio that are on my network

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cureless:

kamilC: yes, but do you have a problem with the mounts?

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kamilC:

cureless: well... i was told that i can use symlinks to solve that problem... so i mounted the network share to my desktop and now i would like to make a link to it in my audio directory

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cureless:

do you want the setup to stay in place after reboot?

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kamilC:

yes

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cureless:

kamilC: you'll probably want to add the mounts to /etc/fstab

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kamilC:

ok... so after that how would i make a symlink to it?

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kormoc:

symlinks stick around even if they point to something that is missing

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cureless:

yes they do

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cureless:

a symlink is like a pointer, it doesn't matter that what it points to doesn't exist

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** kormoc blinks **

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cureless:

ln -s where-you-mounted-stuff where-you-want-stuff-linked-from

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kamilC:

ok... so i would type something like ln -t SHAREFOLDER /home/mythtv/Desktop/Media/Movies

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kamilC:

ooo, -s.. ok

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cureless:

correct

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kamilC:

great thanks let me try that

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cureless:

assuming your mythtv can access that final directory

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kamilC:

why shouldnt it beable to?

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cureless:

it depends on your config

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juski:

psofa: XvMCTex: Init failed

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juski:

didn't know I was trying to use xvmc textures

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psofa:

juski, that thing also appears

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psofa:

but i assumed it was just probing

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kamilC:

hmm... does that mean i have to have static ips set up for those network shares?

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psofa:

for xvmc support and not actually use it

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kamilC:

if im mounting them in fstab?

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juski:

psofa: maybe

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cureless:

kamilC: depends, can you access them by name?

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psofa:

juski, you will end up a log error junkie like me :P

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** psofa is mad at libexpat mess the gentoo devs did **

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juski:

psofa: disabled deinterlacing & it's fine again

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juski:

something is fucked up with the maths here

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kamilC:

cureless: yes they have "computer names"

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psofa:

juski, you mean you dont get those "no space on soundcard" things?

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juski:

yup that's what I mean

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cureless:

kamilC: ok, let me rephrase. Are they sharing via samba or nfs?

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psofa:

im pretty positive i got those always

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juski:

trying with -v all again

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juski:

I wanna nail this bastard

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juski:

ah yeah they're still there

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psofa:

:P

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juski:

one thing though – when I was looking in the source.. if the soundcard had buffer over/underflows they'd be reported

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kamilC:

cureless: they are windows xp shares... sorry i dont know i believe its nfs?

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juski:

so it's cycling between buffer not available, then buffer available, etc etc etc etc

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cureless:

kamilC: its samba. Can you mount them from the command line using their name?

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psofa:

juski, well theres certainly no overflow.And since myth says theres no space on card there cant be an underflow

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juski:

psofa: right. at 1.0x I get NVP: Video is 4.97205 frames ahead of audio, doubling video frame interval to slow down.

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juski:

at 1.05x I don't

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juski:

it's getting the warping stuff fucked up somehow

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fryfrog:

So my slave frontend is using 150% cpu during playback of HD :/

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hjohnson:

fryfrog: I hope it's a dual core system. :P

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juski:

where libsoundtouch is used, I don't see NVP: Video is 4.97205 frames ahead of audio, doubling video frame interval to slow down.

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cureless:

150%?

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psofa:

fryfrog, i think someone gave you 0.5 cpu for free :P

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hjohnson:

cureless: easy to do if you have more than one CPU core

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fryfrog:

2006-11–13 19:11:56.918 VideoOutputXv: XvMCTex: Init failed

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fryfrog:

2006-11–13 19:11:56.918 VideoOutputXv: XVideo Adaptor Name: 'NV17 Video Overlay'

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juski:

what is NVP anyway

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hjohnson:

snce the way CPU usage is calculated is diviging processor time by real time..

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psofa:

juski, nupel video player?

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hjohnson:

if you have two CPUs, you can have up to 200% cpu usage.

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fryfrog:

It is dual xeon 2.4ghz, so 150% isn't abnormal :)

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juski:

psofa: oh yeah.. duh!

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** hjohnson pats his dual core athlon 64 **

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fryfrog:

It didn't *use* to use 150%+, more like about 60–80% :/

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cureless:

I disagree with calling it just 150%.

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hjohnson:

cureless: how so?

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fryfrog:

cureless: what do you mean? Literally, top is showing my mythfrontend process using 150% cpu

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cureless:

I know what is happening, it just sounds so wrong. it should be quantified some more.

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fryfrog:

I tried switching from libmpeg2 to "standard" (ffmpeg?) and it removed the audio stuttering

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hjohnson:

cureless: not really, that measure is defined as the percentage of real CPU time a process is taking

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fryfrog:

but i still get massive cpu usage :/

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fryfrog:

and i'm at a loss as to what to look at now

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hjohnson:

so it's perfectly valid for a multithreaded or multi-processed app to take more than 100% cpu time

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psofa:

juski, thank god my box broke.Id be pulling my hair now with these issues:P

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juski:

psofa: so much for this being a widespread problem

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cureless:

I guess it's not the 150% I dissagree with, it's the "cpu time" unit of measurement.

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juski:

mailing lists have turned up one other person so far

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juski:

psofa: what kind of video hardware you got?

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psofa:

its an 7100

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juski:

??

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psofa:

nvidia 7100

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juski:

ah right

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juski:

you using the chromakey OSD hack?

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fryfrog:

my amd64 3000+ is only using 60% :/

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clop:

hi, how does mythtv decide what to do with the remote? like, is there an option to tell it where my ~/.lircrc file is?

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juski:

clop: it's ~/.mythtv/lircrc not ~/.lircrc for mythtv :)

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juski:

which it says in the FM

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juski:

:)

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clop:

juski, ok thanks!

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cureless:

... unless you're not using the remote directly via mythtv

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tracy:

is the only way to convert from myth recording to xvid is with nuvexport? (ffmpeg segmentation faults, and transcode incorrect parameters on FC6)

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juski:

yeah but AFAIK only knoppmyth still uses irexec

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cureless:

tracy: you could try mencoder by hand

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clop:

yeah it is working great now in mythtvfrontend and also in mplayer, this is sweet

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juski:

well I'm all out ideas for now

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clop:

is there a way to make the audio center show me folders instead of just one big list of songs?

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tracy:

thanks cureless, will try that

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juski:

linux has folders? I thought they were called directories

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clop:

tomatoe tomatoh

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xris:

juski: folder is the graphical representation of a directory

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xris:

so gnome/kde have folders. linux, um, "can".. heh

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clop:

also, should the volume buttons work in it?

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juski:

well it's late & this playback issue has got my goat enough

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juski:

mythtv – why do this to me now when I've been so damn good to you?

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juski:

arghhh!

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juski:

what will it take to get some big guns onto this issue if they're not already looking at it?

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juski:

the NVP: prebuffer pause business I mean...

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cureless:

money always works :-)

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juski:

apparently plenty of folks are seeing it, but not found anything on the mailing lists about it yet

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juski:

apart from one guy's post

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juski:

I mean if it's a driver issue I'll go down that road... just need to know wth it is first

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juski:

hmmm maybe one way to eliminate the drivers etc would be to use a diskless frontend distro

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juski:

a different one, I mean

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juski:

different software, and if the problem goes away, bingo!

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psofa:

juski, so the other box you have doesnt show these soundcard space messages?

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juski:

psofa: no

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juski:

but it's completely differnt hardware

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juski:

different CPU, different VGA, different audio

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juski:

in the version of minimyth I'm using, loads has changed since the last one I used

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juski:

need to reduce the number of variables considerably

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** juski goes in search of mythdora **

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psofa:

eww

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juski:

I could always bring one of my s100 boxen into service & it that's ok, bin the epia

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FailedExistence:

Anyone have any idea why when I go to the guide from TV the picture preview displays scrambled? Standard picture without the guide is fine, but when I hit guide the info of the show is shown huge and then the guide displays with the scrambled picture in the corner.

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juski:

bah it's not a livecd

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juski:

FailedExistence: mythtv 0.19 eh?

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FailedExistence:

.20

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juski:

oh. I thought that had got fixed

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juski:

Xv video scaling problem IIRC

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juski:

and still no 0.20 knoppmyth. mother of $deity

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FailedExistence:

I was having an issue with the screen only showing the top half of the picture, bottom half was blue. Messed around with the options in xorg.conf videooverlay and opengloverlay set to off and that fixed the picture issue. Not sure if the guide issue started before or after that, perhaps I should change those back and see.

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juski:

may aswell grab the very latest minimyth & see how it fares

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juski:

need to download it to see the changelog anyway

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clop:

is there a howto that walks you through setting up the channel listings?

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madd_matt:

I can't seem to get my backend to connect to my database — /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log contains "QSqlQuery::exec: database not open" which doesn't give me any google results

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juski:

madd_matt: got the qt mysql libs installed?

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madd_matt:

Yes. It worked fine *before*, but it recently stopped. So all the correct libs *should* be installed.

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FailedExistence:

Adjusting those settings back to default fixed the guide picture issue kind of ... the picture displays unscambled, but is bigger then the area of the preview so I am only seeing about 3/4 of the screen ... any ideas?

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madd_matt:

It was after a system update that things stopped working. I recompiled mythtv, qt, and mysql. Still no pie.

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juski:

madd_matt: that'll teach you

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** psofa swears at the libexpat dev **

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** madd_matt swears at mysql :( **

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madd_matt:

Well, i've fixed it. I re-installed mythtv, stepped back to mysql 4.* from 5, and recreated the user table in mysql. Works now.

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madd_matt:

yay!

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Dagmar:

Beware --enable-xvmc-opengl

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FailedExistence:

If it helps diagnose the problem at all I am using the ProjectGrayhem theme that should display the guide's picture preview in the upper right ... instead it's displaying it in the very upperleft corner.

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Dagmar:

Talk to Juski about that one

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FailedExistence:

Juski ... any ideas?

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juski:

FailedExistence: so change theme then :)

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FailedExistence:

juski : It's not an issue of the theme, it's something in the video settings itself, because when I went back to the original settings in xorg that screwed full screen display it shows up right. Something tells me my video card just sucks

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juski:

actually on my box, it's my theme that always has the preview video looking ok & others look crap

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juski:

so IMHO it's a weird drivery-ish issue

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fryfrog:

switched to xvmc and cpu usage is down from 150% to 100% :/

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fryfrog:

but its still *way* higher than it should be

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tryrt:

how do i add a capture card to myth?

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siXy:

juski, i was meaning to ask you – is there a reason why your theme is buggy on ogl? or is it a problem unique to me?

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juski:

siXy: which version?

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juski:

it's on 2.1 now

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siXy:

umm. good question. just using the fedora rpms at the moment

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siXy:

hang on...

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juski:

and before you say ahh but the mythtvtalk.com page has it at 1.x, I can't be bothered updating both right now

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siXy:

dont suppose you know off the top of your head which package its int?

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psofa:

gn all

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juski:

dunno if it's in any packages

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juski:

mood I'm in now I don't much care tbh

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siXy:

:)

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juski:

I need to get to the bottom of my gappy playback issue, as do quite a number of peeps

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siXy:

what gappy playback issue? ive not noticed anything on my frontends

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juski:

audio buffering crap

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juski:

only when I'm deinterlacing & playing back at 1.0x

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juski:

it's either a driver issue or something in the code

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juski:

dunno which yet

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siXy:

ah. i use digital passthrough which loses many of those issues (7.1 in analogue meant far too many leads for one box)

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juski:

gonna try that tomorrow. it'll piss my wife off if that's the way I have to go but hey

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siXy:

digital audio doesnt get buffered as far as i am aware – it just goes straight out the box

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juski:

that'll be nifty

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juski:

wonder if it's an alsa issue

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Ballsy:

Anyone got some direction for me on getting my PVR150 IR Blaster to work. The receiver works with the remote (mostly) but I have yet to figure out how to get it to send a signal/command to my set top box...and can't find decent docs on the subject.......

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siXy:

buy her flowers – thas my solution :)

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juski:

Ballsy: tried the mythtv wiki?

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siXy:

it shouldnt be an alsa problem... if it was lots of other thing swould be broken too

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Ballsy:

juski, been sifting through for a couple hours now....

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juski:

siXy: she already moans about having to press 2 buttons to get the TV to switch to Av2

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juski:

and now she'd have to turn the amp on aswell?! oof

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juski:

I don't mind cos I don't use the TV sound

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juski:

;)

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siXy:

i just got a bard spanking new behemoth of an av reciever that does it all in one press of my harmony remote – grreatly increased wife acceptance factor

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siXy:

*brand. i cant type.

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juski:

just how programmable is the harmony remote anyway?

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juski:

tried their online gizmo thing & I wasn't overly impressed

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siXy:

not as programable as the phillips pronto – its not obvious how to get to the aadvanced setup and do everything manually but i havent found anything yet that ive been unable to make it do

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juski:

like can you get down to the hex code level?

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juski:

maybe I can make a macro to do it all on my OFA-6

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juski:

never tried that

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siXy:

no. but the database has most devices – even really old stuff like my technics cd player – and you can program from origianl remotes. no hex code tho

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juski:

aw

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siXy:

nor traditional macro – tho the activites function does as much of a macro as i can find a use for in my setup

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juski:

I think the harmony remotes are prolly alittle too dumb for what I want

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juski:

the activities thing would bug me to hell

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FailedExistence:

Thanks for your assistance ... I think I am done fighting this for tonight

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FailedExistence:

Have a good evening all.

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siXy:

if you want something really advanced phillips have a _very_ nice pronto that looks a little like the harmony 1000 (tho not quite as pretty) but is very customisable – we sold one to a customer recently

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juski:

they're nice but have too many damn buttons, those harmony things

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siXy:

the thing i like is that you can split the buttons between several devices – ie have the volume buttons controlling the av amp and the play/pause buttons controlling the myth box

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fryfrog:

my cheap $65 one has about as many as my comcast dvr remote

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juski:

can do that with mine allegedly

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fryfrog:

bout the perfect number

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juski:

anyway... 2am nearlu

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juski:

time for bedski

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juski:

g'night. I'll try not to have nightmares about that fucking playback issue

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siXy:

nn

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siXy:

heh :) good luck with that

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HEMI:

So, say I've got a Dish Network 311...What would be a good choice for an IR transmitter to control this box? I'm not having a whole lot of luck digging up this info online.

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fryfrog:

HEMI: stupid question, it doesn't have a serial or firewire port, right?

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HEMI:

No, no serial/FireWire port. Those are the first things I looked for.

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fryfrog:

suck :(

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D-side:

back.

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fryfrog:

sorry, only thing i know cause its all i've used

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HEMI:

It's Dish Network's bottom-feeder receiver.

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fryfrog:

now i need to figure out why the fuck my frontend is using over 100% cpu :(

[01:58:34]

fryfrog:

switching to xvmc at least dropped it by almost 50%, but its still usually over 100% :(

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HEMI:

Also, to make things trickier, I'm hoping to use FreeBSD as the OS. :)

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fryfrog:

oh, krikey

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fryfrog:

oh, with "debug" use flag maybe use a lot of cpu?

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kormoc:

of course

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kormoc:

if debug symbols were free, we'd all have them all the time :P

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HEMI:

Yeah, debug stuff is generally more expensive.

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fryfrog:

god, i hope that is it

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fryfrog:

and on the bright side, xvmc seems to work nicely for me now

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xris:

HEMI: google "losdos mythtv"

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HEMI:

xris: neat.

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HEMI:

BUild my own IR transmitter. This is quite doable.

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HEMI:

I've got wire-wrapping tools and a soldering iron. I'm not afraid to use them. :)

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xris:

HEMI: irblaster.info is easier

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xris:

usually looks nicer, too

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HEMI:

That'd work, too. I missed the glaring link at the top of the page.

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fryfrog:

can't lirc by default handle send / recieve at the same time? w/o a need for a *second* lirc instance?

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xris:

fryfrog: not the fedora copy.

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fryfrog:

oic

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fryfrog:

Ubuntu, FTW!

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xris:

I've heard of people doing it, but never had any luck, using fedora packages or compiling by hand

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fryfrog:

i'm glad i have serial and/or firewire control, makes life worth living

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tracy:

what is the easiest way to determine how to match the raw xx.mpg to a show?

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fryfrog:

i've thought of two ways of backing up my current gentoo system so i can try Ubuntu as my main system, hoping for feedback or suggestions

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kormoc:

tracy, use the database?

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xris:

tracy: recorded.basename

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tracy:

is that the easiest?

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fryfrog:

current system has a raid1 mirror, so i thought i'd break it and use 1 drive to setup ubuntu with a broken (drive missing) raid1

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xris:

fryfrog: new hard drive. :)

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kormoc:

tracy, how else would you?

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fryfrog:

that way, if i like ubuntu i can throw in the 2nd drive and add to raid1 mirror

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savage1:

hey guys

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savage1:

in the fstab file

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xris:

tracy: look in contrib for mythrename.pl

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kormoc:

fryfrog, I've done that, and it works well enough, as long as both drives last :P

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fryfrog:

if i don't, i can boot from the old raid1 mirror and add the "ubuntu" drive

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tracy:

i thought a debug on nuvexport, but that didnt work :(

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savage1:

what's the syntax for a permanent smbmount?

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tracy:

ok thanks

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xris:

savage1: vim /etc/fstab :)

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fryfrog:

kormoc: yeah, that'd be pretty unlucky to have a failure right when i was doing it :/

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xris:

tracy: particularly with the --link option

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savage1:

?

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savage1:

i'm editing it

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fryfrog:

Can you setup kernel raid on Ubuntu install? Would it let me create a RAID1 with a missing drive?

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siXy:

fryfrog, how about imaging the drive with mondo?

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kormoc:

savage1, google it?

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fryfrog:

that was my second thouyght, but with "dd" since i dunno what mondo is :)

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kormoc:

fryfrog, donno bout what ubuntu allows, I would hope there would be a way... but it is ubuntu...

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siXy:

http://www.mondorescue.org/

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fryfrog:

app-backup/mondo-rescue?

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savage1:

.... //servername/sharename /mountdirectory smbfs username=windowsuserename,password=windowspassword 0 0

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savage1:

that's what I got

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savage1:

but how would I handle a blank password?

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kormoc:

savage1, password= or just leave password= off?

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fryfrog:

I have a large raid5 array I could simply do a dd to a file on it

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savage1:

If a username and password are not required, you may just replace them with the word defaults.

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fryfrog:

would there be any advantage to using mondo to do it?

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xris:

savage1: or use automount... fewer resources, I think

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savage1:

that's what it says but I don't understand it

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savage1:

wtf is automount?

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savage1:

christ!

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siXy:

fryfrog, mondo rescue is more of an application – with an ncurses ui. lots of feautres i love, hence why i use it to create images of *nix boxes for work

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kormoc:

savage1, if you don't use a user or a password, you can just use defaults for it

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kormoc:

savage1, in your case, you want username=blah,password= or just username=blah

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savage1:

k

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kormoc:

savage1, why don't you test them and see if they work

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fryfrog:

siXy: ah, so it isn't a boot cd or something?

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siXy:

designed to quickly and easily do baremetal restores, and has some pretty advanced error checking

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savage1:

should I be using automount of the fstab method

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kormoc:

if you love pain...

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fryfrog:

it is masked in gentoo, wonder why

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** kormoc isn't too much of a automount fan **

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fryfrog:

2006-11–13 21:09:25.260 MythPlugin::Init() dlerror: /usr/lib/mythtv/plugins/liblib2.so.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory

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fryfrog:

anyone know why my frontend would try and open "liblib2.so.so?

[02:12:14]

fryfrog:

wtf?

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kormoc:

sounds like a bad compile of somesort

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siXy:

fryfrog, read the about on their website. that sums up some of the reasons i use it over dd

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fryfrog:

k

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savage1:

hehe what's the 00 about at the end of the syntax in fstab

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savage1:

just curious

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Pryon:

hints for dump

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kormoc:

what could be easier then dd + split and to restore, dd + absolute sector offsets!

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kormoc:

savage1, man fstab goes over it

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savage1:

k

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savage1:

weird

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savage1:

i used: //shamdam/DVD /myth/video/Movies smbfs 0 0

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savage1:

as my syntax

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savage1:

and it stopped in the middle of booting and asked me for pasword input

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savage1:

which is null

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savage1:

so I suppose I DO need password=

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savage1:

experimenting is fun

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fryfrog:

kormoc: i imagine anything that is as accurate as dd, but that doesn't actually copy empty space would be an example :)

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GreyFoxx:

savage1: Pss it a null password

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GreyFoxx:

or I should say, blank

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savage1:

?

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savage1:

Pss

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savage1:

I did password=

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GreyFoxx:

add ""

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savage1:

... //shamdam/DVD /myth/video/Movies smbfs password= 0 0

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savage1:

you're saying I shoulda done //shamdam/DVD /myth/video/Movies smbfs password="" 0 0

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GreyFoxx:

yes

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savage1:

let's see if what I did will work

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GreyFoxx:

You night need to use a username as well

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GreyFoxx:

I use guest

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savage1:

your commend was one shutdown -r too late ;)

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RyeBrye:

conreyt: did mfd work for you?

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savage1:

so far so good

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savage1:

i left the username out before and it just made me hit enter for the passowrd and that made it happpy

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savage1:

ugg

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savage1:

it didn't complain this time

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fryfrog:

that mondo-rescue dude sure takes his time to make packages for lots of distros!

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tryrt:

i have a pvr-150 and the ivtv drivers

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tryrt:

when I run

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tryrt:

cat /dev/video0 > test.mpg

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siXy:

packages are great :) save soo much time

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tryrt:

the movie file is straight static

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tryrt:

any ideas?

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Sedorox:

thats what it should be?

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kormoc:

tryrt, tune it to a channel?

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siXy:

tryrt, try tuning to a frequency with something on it

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tryrt:

i did

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siXy:

3 at once :O

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tryrt:

ivtv-tune -c 3

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tryrt:

already

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kormoc:

and channel 3 is valid?

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savage1:

are there any "3rd party" addons for mythtv

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savage1:

like weird tweaks etc

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savage1:

I was looking around and didn't see much

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savage1:

my next thing is to get games and ps2 emulation

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savage1:

or at least ps

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tryrt:

yes

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tryrt:

its a local and cable channel

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kormoc:

tryrt, well, did you check dmesg to make sure ivtv loaded correctly?

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tryrt:

i did

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tryrt:

dmesg | grep ivtv

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kormoc:

that's not really enough

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tryrt:

and it says it autodetected the card

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kormoc:

you need the output from between two markers

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GreyFoxx:

savage1: Not really. There are 1 or 2 plugins out there but I don't know if any of it works with myth any more

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kormoc:

something like ======IVTV START==== and ==== IVTV END ==== or similar

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GreyFoxx:

thereis a company that does a home automation system that has customized myth,but it's not free

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savage1:

wow

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savage1:

yeah home automation is gonna get big

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savage1:

brb

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riddlebox:

does anyone have an ati radeon 9250 card?

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savage1:

hey all I'm back

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savage1:

get this I got my backend working as a boot server so I can have my little epia board boot from nbetwork and run frontend

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savage1:

but it won't load x!!

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savage1:

I'm trying to rename XF86Config-4 to a bak file so I can put the epia file in place

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savage1:

and it says "bareword "XF86Config" not allowed while strict subs is use at eval line 1

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savage1:

wtf does that mean

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riddlebox:

anyone have choppy problems w/ ati cards?

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savage1:

furthermore, on my laptop booting from this knoppix live cd and running the frontend works fine now for tv, but it doesn't read the video files, shouldn't it be reading from the /myth dir on the backend

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savage1:

it shows some stuf that's logged in the db but that's it and it won't play that, none of my smbmounts i thought the frontned was supposed to just automagicaly do that

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kormoc:

riddlebox, all the time, if you're running newish drivers, but not the absolute newest, you might want to upgrade

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savage1:

o the question is, how do I rename this -4 file since it's being a bitch

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riddlebox:

kormoc, I tried to upgrade, but the problem I get is that the .run file errors out

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savage1:

so u can use mv to rename a file

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savage1:

so like, move it into a new name

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savage1:

so what's rename there for then

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riddlebox:

savage1, I usually use cp filename.conf filename.conf.bak

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kormoc:

savage1, mv file file.bak

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savage1:

k

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savage1:

so that whole booting from the network deal

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kormoc:

savage1, man rename

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kormoc:

savage1, it can be used to mass rename and what not

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savage1:

does each mac address that boots from the network get it's own sort of session settings

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savage1:

as far as video cards etc

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JoeyJoeJo:

where do I go if I want to request a feature?

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savage1:

man

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savage1:

I got my via booting off the network

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kormoc:

JoeyJoeJo, http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Feature_Wishlist

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savage1:

alright guys

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savage1:

who's got experience booting from the network and setting up frontends

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savage1:

I'm this fucking close

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savage1:

if I boot off the live cd frontend, all is well with television

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savage1:

but if I boot a box off the network it tried to play tv for like 10 seconds black screen and then bounces out

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savage1:

error output is something about dsp

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Dagmar:

Set a *hostname*

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savage1:

in either event I can't read files from the /myth/video directory

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savage1:

set a hostname?

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savage1:

I told the general setup in the backend it's real ip and then the frontend connects to that

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savage1:

what do you mean dagmar

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Dagmar:

It's in freaking English.

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savage1:

i know christ man I'm saying set a hostname where?

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savage1:

where do I set up this hostname

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cmason:

evening all

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cmason:

anyone around that might have ideas on xvmc performance for an nvidia card?

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cmason:

I've got an fx5200, mplayer -vo xmvc -vc ffmpeg12mc is very fast (uses 20% of the cpu) and doesn't skip

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cmason:

mythtv with standard xvmc turned on uses 80% of the cpu and skips frequently

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savage1:

how do you start nfs?

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savage1:

Using NFS, export the root and snapshot filesystems so that they can be accessed by the diskless system

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xris:

savage1: man exports

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D-side:

hrm.

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Mattwj2005:

good evening ladies and gentlemen :)

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D-side:

i'll figure out mytharchive someother time.

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D-side:

howdy.

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Mattwj2005:

anyone use a Serial ATA card and HD in their MythTV box?

[03:52:05]

Mattwj2005:

I want to buy a new HD

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hjohnson:

Mattwj2005: my server is running SATA drives.

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hjohnson:

why?

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Mattwj2005:

I just wanted to find something that would work with Linux :)

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hjohnson:

just about anything out there these days

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Mattwj2005:

all SATA cards are capable?

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Mattwj2005:

*compatible

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hjohnson:

I haven't heard of any that aren't these days

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Mattwj2005:

okay thanks for the info

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Mattwj2005:

I am looking for a 750 GB SATA drive ;)

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hjohnson:

i'm running 5 320GB drives in a RAID

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Mattwj2005:

holly crap

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Mattwj2005:

HDTV I take?

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fysa:

I'm having problems with 320GB WD drives and the sil3114 controller.

[03:56:23]

Mattwj2005:

what is it doing or not doing?

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fysa:

Two sil3114s and 7 drives, getting funky errors that send the drives into PIO1.

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fysa:

Cables/drives are OK — it's the controller+drive combo.

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Mattwj2005:

man you guys are crazy :P

[03:57:23]

Mattwj2005:

fysa how much storage?

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fysa:

Anyway, something to beware of.. I'm going to start with a new motherboard soon. :/

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Mattwj2005:

thanks for the info

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fysa:

320*6.. so 1920, 1800 actually usable.

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fysa:

Best Buy had the 750 drives for $350 or $399 though.

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Mattwj2005:

yeah that is what I was looking at

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hjohnson:

Mattwj2005: naw, the local store just had a deal on 320GB drives, so I bought 5.

[03:59:23]

Mattwj2005:

I see on their web site....they are about that price right now

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fysa:

keep an eye out at slickdeals.net/dealmein.net

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Mattwj2005:

sounds good

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Mattwj2005:

I just wish I had more HDTV channels

[04:01:15]

Mattwj2005:

watching Heroes in HDTV rocks!

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D-side:

watching heroes rocks any way you can.

[04:02:26]

Mattwj2005:

good point

[04:02:49]

Mattwj2005:

NBC actually had a good show

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Mattwj2005:

who would have guessed? :-P

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savage1:

what's the command to start samba server

[04:05:51]

savage1:

?

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Mattwj2005:

nmbd; smbd

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Mattwj2005:

that should do it

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hjohnson:

Mattwj2005: it's a good thing it's no ton Fox, otherwise they'd cancel it because it's decent.

[04:09:29]

Mattwj2005:

lol good point :-P

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Mattwj2005:

Family Guy is good .... but then again they canceled that for a while

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savage1:

family guy rules

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savage1:

and I like robot chicken

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Mattwj2005:

that is good as well

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Mattwj2005:

did that help savage1?

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Mattwj2005:

South Park....is good to...but I can only get reruns in HD

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Mattwj2005:

*too

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hjohnson:

Mattwj2005: uhh, why would you need Southpark in HD?

[04:13:29]

Mattwj2005:

I don't know....it would just be nice

[04:13:55]

Mattwj2005:

your right it isn't that much better for cartoons but it would still be nice

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Mattwj2005:

Battlestar is suppose to be going to NBC sometime.....so that'll be in HD as well

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Mattwj2005:

what else is going on everyone?

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hjohnson:

nothing.. bored out of my mellon

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Mattwj2005:

doing anything cool with your Myth box lately?

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D-side:

hjohnson: know what i keep doing when i find myself in that situation?

[04:30:17]

D-side:

i break shit.

[04:30:26]

D-side:

like, my perfectly functioning mythtv box.

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hjohnson:

lol

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Mattwj2005:

you could always build an VoIP box too ;)

[04:31:00]

D-side:

yeah but then he'd end up with crappy voip service

[04:31:01]

Mattwj2005:

Asterisk....that is my other project

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D-side:

and who the hell needs more of that

[04:31:16]

Mattwj2005:

my service is pretty good

[04:31:30]

D-side:

i finally got rid of that particular albatross hanging 'round my neck

[04:31:50]

D-side:

i'm no longer an asterisk admin at work.

[04:31:56]

Mattwj2005:

very little noise and only $25 a momth

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D-side:

i've never been more pleased. :D

[04:32:04]

Mattwj2005:

sounds good

[04:32:09]

Mattwj2005:

you a networking dude?

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Mattwj2005:

do you do just telcom or data as well?

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D-side:

everything you just mentioned, i'm saddled with. heh

[04:33:14]

Mattwj2005:

I am a data guy

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Mattwj2005:

routers, switches, wans, mans, lans, etc

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D-side:

add telephony into that and thats me.

[04:34:52]

Mattwj2005:

we do a little troubleshooting on VoIP....but we have a telgroup for most of the stuff

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D-side:

you're lucky.

[04:35:36]

Mattwj2005:

yeah I have a pretty good job :)

[04:35:56]

Mattwj2005:

good money, good benefits and a good company :)

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D-side:

once again, you're lucky :)

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Mattwj2005:

lol

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Mattwj2005:

do you work for AT&T?

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Mattwj2005:

:-s

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D-side:

not even slightly.

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D-side:

CLEC

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Mattwj2005:

oh okay...good....

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Mattwj2005:

I was just going to say those guys are useless....I didn't want to offend you ;)

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D-side:

no no.

[04:37:39]

D-side:

all the ilecs are useless.

[04:37:48]

D-side:

verizon, at&t, qwest, bellsouth, etc.

[04:37:51]

D-side:

every last damn one of them.

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Mattwj2005:

I work for a big medical company......so I am the customer rather than the provider

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Mattwj2005:

Verizon is the best one I worked for

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Mattwj2005:

*worked with

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D-side:

where the HELL are you that thats the case? heh

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Mattwj2005:

lol

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Mattwj2005:

Minneasota

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D-side:

can't say i have any experience with that area. :)

[04:39:52]

Mattwj2005:

well...my company is global though :)

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Mattwj2005:

I am still kind of a n00b in Networking though...I have only been in the field since March....I graduated last December

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robbins876:

worked for, worked with... either way, they both end in prepositions are are incorrect

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Mattwj2005:

okay okay it has been a long week

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Mattwj2005:

anyways guys I have to go

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Mattwj2005:

later all :)

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charlieS:

erm.. so how is the MCE remote "easier" than others?

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charlieS:

I still have to set up a keys.txt right?

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charlieS:

n/m, I fingered it out :)

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** charlieS watches torchwood **

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hjohnson:

charlieS: is it out now?

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hjohnson:

how is it?

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hjohnson:

I'm watching the good doctor now, and they're certainly filling it wiht torchwood references

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charlieS:

yea, episode 5 played on Sunday. it's good :)

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hjohnson:

I still prefer Eccleson as the good doctor...

[05:40:36]

hjohnson:

but the 10th doctor is growing on me.

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charlieS:

me too, but i got used to the new one quickly.

[05:40:42]

charlieS:

hehe

[05:41:06]

charlieS:

but I'm really mourning the loss of Rose.. the next season better have a hot girl too.

[05:41:18]

charlieS:

oh, erm, "spoiler warning"

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hjohnson:

I thought she was coming back for season 3..

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hjohnson:

so said wikipedia

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charlieS:

I think not.. they introduced a new one. And she's stuck in a parallel universe!

[05:42:12]

** charlieS reads **

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hjohnson:

oh

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hjohnson:

my bad

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hjohnson:

i'm only up to episode 6 so far

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charlieS:

"A Christmas special, The Runaway Bride, is scheduled to air in December 2006. A third series, starring David Tennant as the Doctor and Freema Agyeman as his companion Martha Jones, will follow in 2007 on BBC One."

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charlieS:

"martha" eww.

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** charlieS <3 the Rose :) **

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kormoc:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0436992/

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kormoc:

Also has Rose ending as of epsode 27

[05:44:51]

kormoc:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Billie_Piper

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kormoc:

also agrees that she's done in the role :/

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charlieS:

imdb doesn't have a pic of her.. shame, that.

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kormoc:

http://www.freemaagyeman.com/

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charlieS:

oh! She'll do!

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charlieS:

I thought it was some old chick

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kormoc:

she was in the ghost episode

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charlieS:

yesindeed, correct you are

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RyeBrye:

!seen conreyt

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MythLogBot:

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RyeBrye:

I think it is a good idea for me to upgrade my RAM

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Mattwj2005:

I am back guys :)

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RyeBrye:

I had 256 Megs with about 600 megs of swap space being used... now I've got 1 gig of ram and I'm using 670 megs at boot up and when I've got a few apps running I'm up to 980 megs ram

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RyeBrye:

but 0 swap :)

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kormoc:

RyeBrye, is that counting buffers/cached files?

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RyeBrye:

kormoc – yeah, counting buffers

[06:03:42]

RyeBrye:

and cached

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kormoc:

heh, you shouldn't, as they're not really used ram :P

[06:03:50]

RyeBrye:

Oh, well...

[06:04:08]

RyeBrye:

top still shows me as using 0 swap :)

[06:04:24]

RyeBrye:

which is what makes me happy

[06:05:11]

RyeBrye:

(yum runs a lot faster and uses the cpu a lot more when it can actually store it's stuff in memory! prior to upgrading my ram yum would run at about 10% cpu and take forever... now it takes slightly less than forever and runs and 90% cpu)

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Mattwj2005:

yeah I am using 481940k swap :(

[06:05:31]

RyeBrye:

Mattwj – how much ram?

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Mattwj2005:

then again I am running MythTV and folding right now

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Mattwj2005:

384 MB

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kormoc:

I'm using 255 megs of swap with 256 megs of ram, poor, poor mythbox

[06:06:17]

Mattwj2005:

I am also folding proteins right now ;)

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RyeBrye:

My body does that for me

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RyeBrye:

;)

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Mattwj2005:

lol

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Mattwj2005:

or should I say I am trying to help cure cancer ;)

[06:07:35]

RyeBrye:

If I can't cat /dev/radio0 as root, does that mean the radio isn't working?

[06:08:31]

Mattwj2005:

right now I am doing commflag on a HDTV program too

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RyeBrye:

all in 384 megs of ram too... impressive

[06:09:49]

Mattwj2005:

thanks

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Mattwj2005:

I need to upgrade my system sometime....

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Mattwj2005:

I wonder how much I need to build a nice new system

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RyeBrye:

if you live in the US and want to wake up early on the friday after thanksgiving, there are some good sales

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Mattwj2005:

I work on the day after Thanksgiving :(

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RyeBrye:

That's not a problem

[06:16:26]

RyeBrye:

because chance are

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RyeBrye:

the deals are long gone by the time any reasonable person wakes up

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Cardoe:

buy on Wednesday and then price match

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RyeBrye:

(5am or 6am)

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RyeBrye:

I think the really good deals they don't put out until that day... but yeah – for normal sale items you could do that

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RyeBrye:

http://bfads.net has early postings of the sale flyers

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Mattwj2005:

I have Thanksgiving and Christmas off that is all I care about :)

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RyeBrye:

CompUSA isn't out yet – but BestBuy and CircuitCity both have some comptuer deals

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Mattwj2005:

Westinghouse 22" LCD Widescreen Monitor for $199

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Mattwj2005:

dang

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RyeBrye:

Yeah

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RyeBrye:

If it has a "Big Bird" next to it, it's an "early bird special" which is good until a certain time of day (usually noon) – but the good deals are gone very shortly after the doors open at 5Am or whatever early hour it is

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Mattwj2005:

are my asterisk usuage:

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Mattwj2005:

top – 00:29:12 up 1 day, 1:34, 4 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00

[06:24:48]

Mattwj2005:

Tasks: 48 total, 2 running, 46 sleeping, 0 stopped, 0 zombie

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Mattwj2005:

Cpu(s): 0.7% us, 0.0% sy, 0.0% ni, 99.3% id, 0.0% wa, 0.0% hi, 0.0% si

[06:24:48]

Mattwj2005:

Mem: 126208k total, 106876k used, 19332k free, 23272k buffers

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Mattwj2005:

Swap: 248996k total, 204k used, 248792k free, 61456k cached

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Mattwj2005:

sorry about the flood :(

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RyeBrye:

I didn't care

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RyeBrye:

and most evreyone else is alsee

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RyeBrye:

p

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Mattwj2005:

okay....I just feel bad.....I don't like being mean to you good people ;)

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RyeBrye:

I have one of these keyboards lying around my computer room: http://ec1.images-amazon.com/images/P/B00004S . . . 7217170_.jpg

[06:32:12]

RyeBrye:

I wonder if I could get the little buttons on top of the keyboard to work with MythTV

[06:33:12]

Mattwj2005:

that would be cool

[06:33:26]

Mattwj2005:

is it wireless?

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RyeBrye:

No...

[06:34:00]

Mattwj2005:

I recommend wireless :)

[06:34:13]

RyeBrye:

They make a wireless one now.... I picked this one up for $5 at my campus bookstore when they were blowing it out a few years ago

[06:35:29]

Mattwj2005:

that is a good deal

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RyeBrye:

Yeah, I bought it so I could remap it to Dvorak to learn how to type dvorak

[06:41:21]

RyeBrye:

I moved the keys around

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RyeBrye:

and lost interest in learning dvorak

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Mattwj2005:

lol dvorak?

[06:42:19]

Mattwj2005:

why would you want to learn that?

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Mattwj2005:

:P

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Captain_Murdoch:

security through obscurity. learn dvorak then switch the keys back to their qwerty locations but leaving the config set as dvorak. :)

[06:45:05]

Mattwj2005:

lol

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Captain_Murdoch:

or maybe rot-13 your keycaps. confuse anyone who "hunts and pecks"

[06:46:21]

Mattwj2005:

rot-13 hehe

[06:46:23]

Mattwj2005:

that is funny

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Mattwj2005:

I use to know how to do that in a BASH shell script

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RyeBrye:

Oh – the dvorak part?

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RyeBrye:

because it's faster in theory

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RyeBrye:

and better on your fingers

[06:48:15]

RyeBrye:

but if you get really good at dvorak, your qwerty suffers

[06:48:23]

RyeBrye:

which is what made me not want to do dvorak

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Mattwj2005:

yeah I am awesome at QWERTY that is why I would never switch

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Mattwj2005:

brb

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Mattwj2005:

I have to upgrade gaim

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Mattwj2005:

back Gaim 2.0.0 beta 4 -> Gaim 2.0.0 beta 5

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robbins876:

VeganCheesesteak: http://fedorasolved.org/multimedia-solutions/win32-codecs/

[07:23:20]

Mattwj2005:

why doesn't mplayer include the whole all codec pack anymore?

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robbins876:

Probably because the drivers aren't free

[07:23:42]

robbins876:

meaning open source

[07:24:18]

Mattwj2005:

oh okay

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robbins876:

I don't know, though, to tell you the truth, Mattwj2005... I just know that's the reason nVidia's drivers don't come loaded up

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Mattwj2005:

I am sure some company put up a hissy fit

[07:27:19]

Mattwj2005:

companies are such big babies these days

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robbins876:

You know, I think i'm going to order a dvorak keyboard just because you guys were talking about it.

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Mattwj2005:

sorry to talk you out of it

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siXy:

mplayer wanted to be incorporated into top tier distros (fedora etc) that have stirct policy on software licence. thus mplayer had to ditch all non-free codecs into an extra pacakge.

[07:29:04]

robbins876:

holy crap, dvorak keyboards are NOT cheap

[07:29:43]

siXy:

no. they are not much good either.

[07:30:19]

siXy:

like most attepmts to improve keyboards, they failed bigtime.

[07:30:38]

robbins876:

correct me if i'm wrong, but doesn't the dvorak keyboard outdate the qwerty keyboard?

[07:30:50]

robbins876:

the qwerty design is the not the orignal layout for a keyboard

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olds:

it is for a typewriter

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olds:

:)

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robbins876:

qwerty orginal on typewriter? I think you're wrong

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olds:

I have a typewriter from ~1900

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olds:

it's qwerty

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olds:

I'll go take a picture if you like

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Mattwj2005:

actually I believe abcdef etc was the original

[07:32:10]

siXy:

robbins876, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QWERTY

[07:32:20]

Mattwj2005:

QWERTY was invented to slow typist down

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siXy:

im afraid dvorak doesnt come close to predating querty.

[07:32:34]

Mattwj2005:

because they were breaking typewritters

[07:32:35]

olds:

yep, because the levers jammed

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Mattwj2005:

yup

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robbins876:

I believe you, but I was under the impression that the format was changed to qwerty because people were typing to fast and it jammed the typewriters

[07:33:04]

siXy:

yeah but that was in the 1800's

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robbins876:

ok, so we all agree on that... so what was originally faster than qwerty?

[07:33:20]

siXy:

abcd

[07:33:35]

robbins876:

really? and that was faster?

[07:34:22]

siXy:

yeah

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Mattwj2005:

that is what I heard

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olds:

I would imagine that putting the most commonly used letters on the home row would be fastest

[07:34:35]

siXy:

well actually not nesecarily.

[07:34:40]

Mattwj2005:

I suppose knowing your ABCs helps :P

[07:34:42]

olds:

e,t,r etc

[07:34:47]

siXy:

more keys got jammed, but thats not quite the smae thing

[07:35:15]

siXy:

part of the point of qwerty was to break up common letter groups.

[07:35:24]

olds:

sixy: I think that had to do with the proximity of letters in words

[07:35:32]

siXy:

in fact the ENTIRE point :)

[07:35:32]

olds:

:)

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robbins876:

lots of echo in here

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olds:

sry

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siXy:

olds – thats the same thing

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olds:

sixy: I know, I hit enter and then your line came up

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olds:

:)

[07:36:03]

siXy:

ah ok :)

[07:36:16]

Mattwj2005:

actually you know what would be fun? try an international keyboard......lets say Chinese :P

[07:36:23]

olds:

yea, not

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siXy:

robbins876, there used to be quite a lot of debate over dvorak – many people do not agree that its any faster.

[07:36:52]

siXy:

nowadays of course noone cares :)

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olds:

I think if you use any layout long enough, it'd be fast

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siXy:

olds, that was thier point really. the theoretcial advantages of dvorak just didnt seem to materialise into any actual benefit

[07:37:57]

RyeBrye:

Oh, another feature of QWERTY: it was easy for a salesperson to demonstrate

[07:38:07]

Mattwj2005:

hey guys I have a question about keyboards....

[07:38:09]

RyeBrye:

the word "typewriter" can be written with only letters from the top row

[07:38:19]

RyeBrye:

and very quickly I might add

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Mattwj2005:

what is the difference between lets say a US and UK keyboard? they are both English

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siXy:

RyeBrye, im not sure they HAD slaespeople in the modern sense of the word in the 1870's

[07:38:40]

olds:

so can the word 'twerp'

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olds:

Mattwj2005

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siXy:

Mattwj2005, the pposition of "\" is a big difference

[07:39:00]

olds:

the dollar/Quid sign

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RyeBrye:

yeah, but they still had to sell them... so somoene had to demo them

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olds:

I have both here

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olds:

some minor differences

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siXy:

RyeBrye, im not sure it worked like that back then

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Mattwj2005:

okay

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olds:

layout is the same though

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olds:

for all intents and purposes

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siXy:

ive always thought that the typewriter argument is just an urban legend

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Mattwj2005:

that makes sense

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siXy:

olds, yes unless you use a lot

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siXy:

in which case its inccredibly annoying

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Mattwj2005:

yeah on my keyboard it is above the enter key....I have a good ole IBM keyboard

[07:40:57]

olds:

yea

[07:41:10]

olds:

mine is actually below the enter key

[07:41:20]

olds:

Viewsonic keyboard

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siXy:

olds, thats unusual

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Mattwj2005:

where is the shift key?

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olds:

below the enter key as well

[07:41:40]

olds:

it's smaller

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olds:

it's not fancy or anything

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Mattwj2005:

yeah I have the / next to the shift key

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olds:

it was the cheapest USB keybaord at comp usa

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siXy:

heh

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siXy:

i loathe usb keyboards :( they dont work with any of my kvms and cant handle more than 2 simultaneous keypresses

[07:43:20]

RyeBrye:

really? you mean two alpha keys, right?

[07:43:33]

olds:

http://www.viewsonic.com/images/media/KU206_us_eng_lrg.jpg

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siXy:

yeah

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olds:

you can kinda see the right enter key

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olds:

and how the shift key is smaller

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RyeBrye:

because I frequently use more than that with my mac keyboard – (command-shift-control- stuff works for me)

[07:44:19]

Mattwj2005:

yeah my keyboard doesn't have any of the windows keys

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olds:

can't handle more than 2 simultaneous keypresses?

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olds:

never had that problem

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Mattwj2005:

so you can't ctrl-alt-del?

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siXy:

oplds alpha keys

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siXy:

not function keys

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olds:

aaaaaaassssssssssssssssssssssddddddddddddddddddddddddddddffffffffffffffffffff

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siXy:

RyeBrye, the mac keyboards are both good and expensive. i suspect they are different

[07:45:23]

olds:

just held down 4

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Mattwj2005:

my keyboard clicks a lot....it use to drive my roommate in college crazy at night

[07:45:58]

siXy:

meh. well i have tried ibm, cherry, and various cheap no brand usb keyboards and never got more than 2

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RyeBrye:

A quick google make me think the limit is 6 – with the modifier keys being included in that

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siXy:

yet they all are fine if i just plug them in the pci bus instead

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siXy:

*ps/2 port even

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siXy:

well im off now. bb.

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Mattwj2005:

by sixy

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RyeBrye:

http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1697,1610435,00.asp

[07:50:09]

RyeBrye:

talks about the limitations

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RyeBrye:

anyway. time for me to go to bed too

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DGnome:

Umm, if I have one tuner with CI+CAM, can another tuner utilize the same CAM?

[07:53:40]

Dibblah:

No.

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Mattwj2005:

CAM is that stuff illegal?

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Dibblah:

The data is passed directly through the CAM by the card.

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Dibblah:

There's no external interface.

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kraut:

moin

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Dibblah:

Mattwj2005: Of course it is.

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Mattwj2005:

okay just checking

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Dibblah:

Myth wouldn't include support if it wasn't.

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DGnome:

Dibblah: ok, thanx

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Mattwj2005:

I just wish I could get those encrypted streams for the channels I pay for

[07:56:01]

Mattwj2005:

oh well maybe someday we can add a CableCARD

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DGnome:

So, if I want two tuners with full channel support I need two tuners, two cams, two CI's, and two smartcards :/

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DGnome:

costly..

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Dibblah:

Yup.

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Dibblah:

That's the way the media moguls want it.

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DGnome:

mmhmmm

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mattwj2004:

quit

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mattwj2004:

exit

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Mattwj2005:

sorry about that....trying out a new irc client

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lin-hi-nu:

alrighty! Myth ROCKS!

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lin-hi-nu:

--when it works

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lin-hi-nu:

Hey guys, how can I increase logging levels in /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log ??

[08:03:19]

lin-hi-nu:

I'm getting "unable to initialize video" error, and I don't understand why.

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DGnome:

lin-hi-nu: initialize video sounds like frontend problems..

[08:05:05]

lin-hi-nu:

I've been throught the mythtv-setup a hundred times.

[08:05:34]

lin-hi-nu:

I can watch _some_ already recorded videos, but not all <-- strange

[08:05:48]

lin-hi-nu:

I get the error when I try to watch live tv.

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DGnome:

but not with recordings?

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lin-hi-nu:

yeah, well. I'm confused.

[08:08:43]

lin-hi-nu:

SOME recordings work perfectly

[08:08:54]

lin-hi-nu:

most recordings return the same error!

[08:09:04]

lin-hi-nu:

I'm totally scratching my head on this!

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DGnome:

lin-hi-nu: compiled myth yourself?

[08:10:38]

Dibblah:

mythfrontend -v all

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lin-hi-nu:

no, it's a fresh knoppmyth install. totally re-formatted the HD.

[08:10:49]

Dibblah:

should give you plenty of verbosity.

[08:12:12]

Dibblah:

... Since it's probably a frontend issue.

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mattwj2005b:

lin-hi-nu are you doing HD at all?

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lin-hi-nu:

nope, just NTSC usa.

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mattwj2005b:

hmm weird

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mattwj2005b:

I was thinking HD playback was too much for your machine....not the case though

[08:16:44]

lin-hi-nu:

...reading tons of log messages right now...

[08:17:20]

mattwj2005b:

I have been having some weird problems with my new Knoppmyth install with my sound card....I never use to have problems until this newest update

[08:17:29]

lin-hi-nu:

IDV Error: Framebuffer number query failed. eno: Invalid argument Did you load the ivtv-fb linux kernel module?

[08:18:20]

lin-hi-nu:

lsmod shows ivtv

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lin-hi-nu:

and why does 1 out of 10 recorded videos work???

[08:18:43]

lin-hi-nu:

hmmm....

[08:19:20]

lin-hi-nu:

permissions are all the same...

[08:19:56]

lin-hi-nu:

mattwj, when the video does work, sound works well.

[08:19:58]

Dibblah:

Different recorded resolutions?

[08:20:19]

lin-hi-nu:

ahh, maybe!

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Dibblah:

DGnome: PM disabled?

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lin-hi-nu:

what's PM?

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Dibblah:

Not a problem for you :)

[08:21:50]

lin-hi-nu:

I see this error too:

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lin-hi-nu:

TV ERROR: StartPLayer(): NVP is not playing after 20000 msec

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Dibblah:

That just means what it says.

[08:23:22]

lin-hi-nu:

those are the only two errors in mythfronend -v all I see here.

[08:23:57]

Dibblah:

ivtv != ivtv-fb...

[08:24:17]

Dibblah:

You're using the video out of the PVR-350?

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lin-hi-nu:

oh !

[08:24:43]

lin-hi-nu:

no I'm trying to use the video out on the video card.

[08:25:03]

lin-hi-nu:

350 for input only.

[08:25:18]

Dibblah:

Untick the tick box in mythfrontend playback to use the PCR-350 output, then...

[08:30:37]

lin-hi-nu:

I OWE DIBBLAH BEER!

[08:30:44]

lin-hi-nu:

awsome thanks1

[08:31:23]

Dibblah:

:)

[08:31:25]

lin-hi-nu:

what I don't understand is, why did about 1 out of 10 recordings work?

[08:32:03]

Dibblah:

Probably because they are too high resolution for the IVTV-fb code.

[08:32:24]

Dibblah:

(Not sure – Don't really use the 350)

[08:34:23]

lin-hi-nu:

hmm, I guess if they really different recorded qualites

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mattwj2005b:

I don't know much about the pvr-350 either but the pvr-150 is a pain

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mattwj2005b:

:(

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juski:

damn damn damn damn damn

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juski:

bloody playback

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juski:

anyone else here having problems playing back DVB-T recordings where every 20 secs or so the video will slow down & there'll be a gap in the audio? been trying to track the problem down & not having any luck other than timestretch playback doesn't exhibit the problem

[09:03:57]

olds:

soudnds like some sort of buffering issue

[09:05:32]

juski:

it is, and I think it's a mythtv bug

[09:06:54]

olds:

hmph

[09:07:01]

olds:

I don't have the issue with DVB-S recordings

[09:07:05]

** olds shrugs **

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juski:

do those dvb-s recordings have one audio track or more?

[09:08:36]

juski:

fyi I don't see the issue on my backend when I play recordings there

[09:08:52]

juski:

but the hardware is vastly different to the frontend in my livingroom

[09:09:24]

juski:

now if it's a driver issue, or something to do with alsa config I'll say yeah fine & get it fixed but so far everything is pointing the finger at mythtv

[09:10:10]

juski:

note that when I don't deinterlace, the problem goes away

[09:10:28]

olds:

juski: I'm not sure about the audio tracks

[09:10:41]

juski:

so I think there's a possibility that something is going wrong with the maths mythtv is using to work out how in sync the audio & video are

[09:10:44]

olds:

I believe 1, it selects the english one by default

[09:11:14]

olds:

try different deinterlace filters?

[09:11:30]

juski:

yeah well the recordings I'm having trouble with have more than one audio track, an audio description (64kbps mono) track and a regular stereo audio track

[09:11:45]

juski:

yes I've tried all of them. deinterlacing is the key no matter which I use

[09:11:55]

olds:

odd

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juski:

and yes I've tried every different audio buffering setting in the book

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juski:

very odd!

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juski:

it's certainly odd & annoying enough to make me seriously consider rolling back to 0.19

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juski:

but that won't help anybody in the long run. movement should be _forwards_ not backwards ;)

[09:18:30]

juski:

I've been told that the NVP: Video is 5.29265 frames ahead of audio, doubling video frame interval to slow down.

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juski:

stuff is pretty commonplace & is causing a lot of head scratching but so far only been able to find one mailing list post about it

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juski:

gonna try dumping minimyth & see how far I get with ubuntu. no idea what epia hardware support is like in ubuntu but hey

[10:09:26]

juski:

not that I'm a fan of any particular distro – I just use what works :)

[10:09:49]

juski:

at least that way I'll be able to try plenty of other things & reduce the amount of variables

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Dibblah:

Just go back to Gentoo. You can't resist the dark side.

[10:19:30]

Dibblah:

;)

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juski:

roflmao

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juski:

I used minimyth with my gentoo backend

[10:22:38]

juski:

and it'd be exactly the same problem

[10:23:14]

juski:

well actually it wouldn't because to upgrade gentoo to 0.20 it wanted to install newer X & so on

[10:23:27]

juski:

so I'd never have upgraded

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juski:

if I end up having to fix it by replacing the epia with something beefier, so be it

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Dibblah:

Upgrading is easy. Just emerge --newuse world

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Dibblah:

Apparently, that's short for emerge --newuse world-of-pain

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juski:

if figured that if it went pear shaped it'd take less time to change to a distro thet just works out of the box

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Dibblah:

What... Windows?

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juski:

that said I still have the old HDD

[10:30:28]

juski:

all I'd need to do is export my recorded table & I'd be good to roll back

[10:31:13]

juski:

but – that wouldn't be progress

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Dibblah:

All I need to do is figure out why this stupid CAM is giving garbage.

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juski:

and it certainly wouldn't shine any light on the strange playback issue

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Dibblah:

... Or, more precisely, the card appears to be.

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juski:

ow

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Dibblah:

Of course, it doesn't help that it's not an official CAM.

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Dibblah:

Stupid damn NDS.

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juski:

hem!

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juski:

ooo just remembered the other trick I've not yet tried.. strip the damn audio description track out of the bothersome recordings

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juski:

backing up the original bothersome recording

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juski:

lol. 200 lines of scrollback isn't enough to catch ffmpeg's help

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juski:

I love ffmpeg. I hate ffmpeg

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juski:

heh ffmpeg -i /video/videorec/1006_20061113193000.mpg -map 0.0:0.0 -map 0.1:0.1 /media/eastendersbad.mpg

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juski:

copy the file back & see if it plays when I get home

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Dibblah:

Don't forget to create a seektable first ;)

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_grego_:

hello

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_grego_:

i just installed all packs on my ubuntu box, i am reading the doc to configure mythtv. my question is : which user to configure : mythtv, root or my regular account ?

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juski:

mythtv or your regular account

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juski:

Dibblah: seeking is the last of my worries

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_grego_:

juski: thx

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_grego_:

and about the backend ? root, mythtv or regular account ?

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juski:

the init script takes care of that

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_grego_:

juski: ok thx

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juski:

bugger I did the ffmpeg stuff on the wrong recording

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juski:

1000_200611122000.mpg was the one I needed

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juski:

Stream #0.1: Audio: mp2, 48000 Hz, mono, 64 kb/s

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juski:

what?

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juski:

the input is Stream #0.1[0x259](eng): Audio: mp2, 48000 Hz, stereo, 256 kb/s

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juski:

mapped 0.1 to 0.1 and it's saying the output is 64kb/s mono

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juski:

grrr

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juski:

oh wait a sec I don't need to remap anything

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juski:

duh

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juski:

sudo ffmpeg -i /video/videorec/1000_20061113200000.mpg.old -acodec copy /video/videorec/1000_20061113200000.mpg

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juski:

bingo

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juski:

I think

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juski:

anyone here using ubuntu on an epia board? ;)

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juski:

haha parker1.co.uk is

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juski:

figures

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juski:

wait a blimmin minute. he used to have a guide for getting minimyth running on there. I wonder what in the world made him change... ?

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Inkubot:

hi

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juski:

hi

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Inkubot:

i've got a n00b question... i need to do a simple channel for a digital TV headend and i was wondering if maybe mythtv can do that job

[12:38:58]

Inkubot:

i need that the channel show the weather, some rss news, and some banners

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Inkubot:

and maybe in the background music..

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juski:

interesting

[12:40:10]

Inkubot:

yeps...

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Inkubot:

what do you think ? mythtv could work for this ?

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juski:

you could use mythtv but there are some snags

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juski:

mythtv can't play music at the same time as doing anything else

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Inkubot:

(i'm a newbie in mythtv)

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Inkubot:

aja..

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Inkubot:

ok.. but i can solve that

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juski:

you could script the other stuff & use the telnet control interface to switch between different items

[12:41:32]

Inkubot:

perfect

[12:41:35]

Inkubot:

great

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Inkubot:

let me explain how the headend works

[12:42:20]

Inkubot:

ok.

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Inkubot:

well, we have signals from satelites

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juski:

hmmm

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Inkubot:

this signals are encodec into MPEG2 and then send to a MUX in a multicast

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juski:

pretty standard for a headend :)

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Inkubot:

jajaja

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Inkubot:

yeps

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Inkubot:

but.. my point is...

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juski:

so you're wanting mythtv to be like an 'info' channel?

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Inkubot:

how can i send the mythtv out to the MUX

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Inkubot:

yeps...

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juski:

ah

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Inkubot:

something like that

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Inkubot:

it's for the enterprise owner of the headend

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juski:

this might be where it gets complicated

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juski:

how do you turn the sat feeds into mpeg? from baseband video? or do you just transform the streams digitally?

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Inkubot:

2 ways..

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Inkubot:

from ASI to MPEG2 (professional encoders)

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Inkubot:

and baseband to MPEG2 (my encoders, linux, PVR-350 and VLC xD)

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juski:

you could take a component video output of mythtv (or svid if you're desperate) at encode it to mpeg2 after the fact

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Inkubot:

perfect

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Inkubot:

i understand

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cstoner:

Are there any MythMusic experts in here that could tell me why I get a "DecoderOgg: Failed to open input." message when playing some ogg files, but mplayer plays them fine?

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juski:

there might be a way to turn X's output into mpeg2 directly & stream that but that's beyond my knowledge

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Inkubot:

ok so maybe could work this

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Inkubot:

juski so the first thing is to make myth do the job.

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Inkubot:

then stream the output

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juski:

Inkubot: shouldn't be too hard

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Inkubot:

so it's maybe posible

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juski:

if you're not going to be using tv recording functions of mythtv you do not need a backend process running – only the database & frontend

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Inkubot:

aja

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Inkubot:

another question

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juski:

the database stores all the settings & stuff

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Inkubot:

perfect..

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Inkubot:

my question, i'm reading at the mythtv site, theres mini-distro

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Inkubot:

what do you recommend ?

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Inkubot:

i should use one of this ? or maybe debian and apt-get ?

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Inkubot:

or slack and source '

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juski:

whichever distro you are comfortable with ;)

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Inkubot:

ok.. so this is like asterisk... works everywhere

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Inkubot:

great..

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Inkubot:

great news!!

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Inkubot:

my boss will be very happy

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Inkubot:

i've got 9 days to do the job

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Inkubot:

jejeje

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Inkubot:

so... to the work

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juski:

now if I can tell you a little about the telnet control interface

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cstoner:

Oh! Never mind... looking through the source made me realize that it's a permissions issue.

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Inkubot:

juski tell me

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juski:

Inkubot: it basically allows you to send instructions to the frontend to change screens, simulate keypresses & so on

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Inkubot:

aaa perfect

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Inkubot:

so maybe some admin in the headend could learn this and change the "channel" settings trough telnet

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juski:

or you could automate it with a bit of scripting

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Dibblah:

cstoner: ... You're in -users! You're not allowed to look at the source. OR solve your own problems. I'm sure it's in the channel rules, or something.

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Inkubot:

ok

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juski:

to say change news items every minute, or change to different views etc

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Inkubot:

great great

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Dibblah:

cstoner: Seriously. Well done :)

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Inkubot:

juski thanks man :)

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Inkubot:

i will be aorund here for a time.. i hope learn a lot with mythtv

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juski:

setting it up as a frontend shouldn't be too hard

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Inkubot:

ok. i will try debian and apt-get

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cstoner:

Dibblah: heh

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cstoner:

Dibblah: I've been trying to solve this for EVER, and I finally got frustrated enough to look at the source to fix my problem (I WAS ready to do some quick hacking... luckily that wasn't nessisary)

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cstoner:

</bad spelling>

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Inkubot:

now.. to the work! thanks again juski

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juski:

haha just played with the telnet interface again. man I love it

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juski:

np Inkubot good luck!

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Inkubot:

:)

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fryfrog:

Anyone know what transcode erroring with an error of "235" means?

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janneg:

fryfrog: look into libs/libmyth/exitcodes.h

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juski:

ah so I can find out what status 232 is now :)

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fryfrog:

thanks

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fryfrog:

is there really a PVR 550?

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juski:

oh. there's no exit code defined for '232'. nice

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fryfrog:

how about 235?

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fryfrog:

if you are still in there

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juski:

nup

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juski:

no 235 either

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fryfrog:

damn

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janneg:

juski: there is TRANSCODE_EXIT_START = 244–12

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fryfrog:

it must be issues in the mpeg file

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fryfrog:

one episode of Heroes transcoded just fine (snipping commercials only)

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fryfrog:

the other weren't so happy!

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janneg:

and TRANSCODE_BUGGY_EXIT_WRITE_FRAME_ERROR = 235

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juski:

ah so I got a TRANSCODE_BUGGY_EXIT_DEADLOCK

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juski:

which means it soiled its pants?

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janneg:

juski: is it a dvb recording?

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juski:

yup

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juski:

four failed, four worked

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janneg:

can you check if the number of audio tracks change?

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janneg:

mythtranscode can't handle that since it transcodes to mpeg2 program streams which do not support removing/adding audio streams in the middle of the program

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juski:

janneg: eew

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juski:

I could always run ffmpeg -i inputfile -ac copy outputfile though coulnd't it?

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juski:

pardon my eenglish :)

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janneg:

juski: are you transcoding non-lossless?

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juski:

no

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juski:

no lossy transcoding in my house

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janneg:

ok, I missed "-vc copy" in the commandline

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janneg:

you can remove all except one of the audio tracks and mythtranscode should then hopefully work

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juski:

like this?

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juski:

ffmpeg -i /video/videorec/1000_20061113200000.mpg.old -vc copy -acodec copy /video/videorec/1000_20061113200000.mpg

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janneg:

s/vc/vcodec/ and you might need to select the audio track with -map

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janneg:

no, it selects the first audio stream automaticly

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juski:

cool

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juski:

might be worth making a custom job for that

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juski:

run ffmpeg with those options, then mythcommflag --rebuild --file

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juski:

is myth going to be modified to just chuck the 2nd stream away then?

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juski:

optionally I mean, some people might want to keep it

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boardom:

Is there an easy way to reset the default mythtv display language (back to english)...?

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RyeBrye:

Wow. CompUSA's sales for Black Friday (and thanksgiving night) are pretty sweet http://download.bfads.net/BFAds-CompUSA.pdf

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flithm:

hey everyone... I just upgraded mysql and all my commercial skip info is gone. This happened to me once before and I ran some kind of mysql command that fixed some table but I can't remember what it was... anyone know what I'm talking about, or how to fix the problem?

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RyeBrye:

Well... nm – the deals aren't that sweet. You have to buy a cell phone for just about every sweet deal

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seth|laptop:

well I guess if you are looking for service and a pretty good laptop, hehe

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seth|laptop:

and you want to get up at 5am

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seth|laptop:

rather 4am

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fryfrog:

http://fryfrog.com/files/crash.log

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fryfrog:

does this weird crash/error mean anything to anyone?

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juski:

boardom: mythfrontend --reset

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boardom:

thanks

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boardom:

you'd think that would be a main option in the frontend settings gui

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fryfrog:

how would you find it in an emergency? :)

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fryfrog:

if your fe was in the Finish!

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fryfrog:

but maybe having it both places would be nice

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psofa:

juski, found anything?

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juski:

psofa: nope

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psofa:

:(

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juski:

gonna try ubuntu on my epia box very soon

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juski:

see if it's a myth issue or drivers

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psofa:

juski, i have some ideas to try once i get my box running again

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juski:

setting audio output to digital output only didn't help either

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juski:

nor did disabling the crhomakey OSD

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juski:

and disabling xvmc isn't an option

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RyeBrye:

chromakey on your new theme?

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RyeBrye:

does chromakey osd support alpha transparency?

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RyeBrye:

or just 1 index color?

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juski:

no – the chromakey OSD hack to get colour OSD with XvMC

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RyeBrye:

oh, gotcha

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** RyeBrye was about to quit his job and start themign if he could do alpha-transparent osd tricks **

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juski:

if I don't fix this playback issue I dunno how well my allegiance to mythtv will stand up to be honest

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RyeBrye:

What's the issue?

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RyeBrye:

I had crappy playback following enabling desktop-effects (compiz) so I turned it off

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juski:

pauses during playback when using deinterlace & xvmc

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juski:

but only on recordings with 2 audio tracks

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juski:

psofa: what are your other ideas?

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fryfrog:

~seen cardoe

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fryfrog:

!seen cardoe

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MythLogBot:

cardoe was last seen 1 hour 11 minutes 36 seconds ago

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fryfrog:

damn

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fryfrog:

juski: is cpu usage high?

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fryfrog:

juski: and i think i've seen you pasting audio log output?

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juski:

fryfrog: cpu usage isn't high at all

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juski:

25% or less

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juski:

playback in timestretch mode works great

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juski:

and that's what has me suspecting it's a mythtv issue

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fryfrog:

i still need to figure out why my front end is using over 100% cpu~

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D-side:

yikes

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D-side:

that's pretty bad.

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juski:

one thing could be that the source audio is 48khz, and with timestretch enabled it resamples it. maybe alsa is misreporting its timing/buffer info wrongly or myth is interpreting it wrongly

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juski:

I dunno enough about how audio in linux works

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fryfrog:

juski: does your sound card have a preference for 48khz?

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juski:

it's funny that the 0.19 ver. of minimyth was absolutely fine though

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juski:

fryfrog: I don't know

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fryfrog:

mine does, setting alsa to force that fixed it

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juski:

making the audio device resample on the fly will take it time & might cause this

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fryfrog:

sec, the system with the picky audio is compiling something

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fryfrog:

course, for me it was obvius

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fryfrog:

the sound was playing slower / faster than the video

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fryfrog:

(i forget which)

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fryfrog:

btw, what distro are you using?

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juski:

minimyth

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juski:

yeah now you mention it that sounds blimmin obvious!

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juski:

now I just need to know how to check/change it

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fryfrog:

http://pastebin.ca/248321

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seth|laptop:

juski: will minimyth run on an xbox? has anyone tried?

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juski:

seth|laptop: no

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seth|laptop:

:-(

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psofa:

juski, im gonna try special sound buffer sizes

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juski:

fryfrog: cheers!

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psofa:

btw id use vdr but id loose the nice streaming to the other boxes

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juski:

psofa: I was considering alternative scenarios this morning

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juski:

and btw I'm not expecting anyone to run in & shout "oh noes! risk of a mythtv user jumping ship, better help out" ;)

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juski:

it's just VERY bloody annoying

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psofa:

wel neither im i.But i have to find a way to watch tv without stuttering

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juski:

live without deinterlacing for a bit

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D-side:

seth|laptop: why bother with minimyth for the xbox?

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D-side:

seth|laptop: just run XBMC instead of installing linux on the thing, and use xbmcmythtv

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seth|laptop:

i was actually getting some tearing last night, both of my hd cards were recording, and I was watching Heroes from last week in preperation for this week,I thought I was stressing out the system using 3 hd things at once. I restarted my frontend, and realized that another one was running. After I killed both frontends, and fired it up again., the tearing was gone, very odd that 2 instances of the frontend were running

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seth|laptop:

D-side: does that just boot up, or does it require installoing?

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seth|laptop:

currently my xebian is hosed

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juski:

xbmc loads in seconds

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juski:

and xbmcmythtv is nifty

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seth|laptop:

not sure what happened

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juski:

not quite a full frontend – don't think it has recording group views yet but by golly it's nice

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seth|laptop:

live cd or installed?

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** seth|laptop ggogles **

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juski:

xbmc sits in about 50MB HDD space on the E: drive

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seth|laptop:

cool

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juski:

it's the dogs' danglies I tells ya

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seth|laptop:

:-)

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fryfrog:

juski: for some reason, i thought you were a long time user of mythtv?

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juski:

I am

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fryfrog:

juski: ah, okay my memory doesn't suck :)

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juski:

long time, no problems

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fryfrog:

I'm about to jump ship from gentoo -> ubuntu :)

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** seth|laptop don't do it **

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jduggan:

is there a list of themes other than the ones on mythtv.org?

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fryfrog:

just been planning how to attack it

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juski:

and then I go out & blow the trumpet about mythtv shouting it to the world, and it pisses me around

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juski:

jduggan: wiki.mythtv.org

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fryfrog:

juski: have you written a detailed email or forum post?

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juski:

wouldn't care – never bloody affects my wife's recordings

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fryfrog:

I hate to ask you to describe what your problem is in detail (probably for the Xth time)

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juski:

she records from commercial channels which don't (of course) have the 2nd audio track

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fryfrog:

do you *need* the second audio track?

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juski:

http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/236009

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juski:

no I don't

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juski:

I've stripped out the 2nd auto track in a 'bad' recording, rebuilt the seektable & I'll try it when I get home

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fryfrog:

i guess there is no record only primary audio?

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juski:

nope

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juski:

thing is, that flag is sometimes wrong

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fryfrog:

you could use x11vnc to start it remotly, then look in the logs for problems

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juski:

fryfrog: if the box was awake I could ;(

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juski:

the kernel this ver. of minimyth uses makes the lan chip gets its pants in a twist when it does a soft shutdown, which borks wakeonlan

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fryfrog:

do you *have* to use xvmc?

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juski:

hahaha

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juski:

I tried without it last night.

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juski:

nice – like 10fps playback

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fryfrog:

dang, wtf kind of system is this?

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fryfrog:

via 1ghz or something?

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juski:

how come mythtv is so much more inefficient than xine?

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juski:

fryfrog: yup

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psofa:

and vlc....

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juski:

1ghz is more than enough to play 720x576i mpeg2

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juski:

anyway cpu usage is like 25% with xvmc enabled

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fryfrog:

do you use the "via xvmc" and you tried libmpeg2 and ffmpeg?

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psofa:

xvmc only works with ffmpeg

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juski:

'standard' is nasty.. like 10fps

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fryfrog:

juski: christ, mine dropped from 150% cpu usage to 100% when i turne don xvmc :)

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juski:

libmpeg2 gets totally fucked up video & colours... and is about 10fps

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fryfrog:

but this is only recent, previously w/o xvmc i was only getting like 60% :/

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fryfrog:

this is on a dual xeon 2.4ghz box

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seth|laptop:

my cpu usage goes up when I use xvmc, its an amd64 thing

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fryfrog:

i *thought* xvmc put my OSD in greyscale, but when i switched it on last night my OSD was fine

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juski:

oh look at all the helpful replies my thread got!

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fryfrog:

i'm pretty much set on migrating to Ubuntu, prolly just 32bit version even on my amd64 boxes

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fryfrog:

so i can be 100% the same on all systems

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fryfrog:

you mean on your email?

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juski:

yeah

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fryfrog:

you only sent it today :)

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fryfrog:

honestly, i hate email mailing lists for support :/

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fryfrog:

forums are so much easier

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juski:

not even a sneering 'did you install video drivers' ?

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juski:

and nobody visits linpvr.org let alone posts there much

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juski:

majority of help comes from the guy who makes it

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juski:

as for the forum I moderate.. hahahaha

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juski:

I was so desperate last night I was all up for trying knoppmyth on the box

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fryfrog:

all denedps on how things start

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seth|laptop:

when I have a question, I ask it here, and almost always get an answer

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fryfrog:

I do (or have done) a *ton* of support for Gallery, and while we have a support irc channel it is second fiddle to our fourms (which have been online for-ever) and wiki (which is new and people need to be pointed at it)

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fryfrog:

seth|laptop: yeah, me too... but that is counter-productive in the long run

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juski:

the amount of folks who sit on their hands is frustrating. I mean I've heard this is a big issue for a good few people but where's the evidence of it, and what's going on to try resolve it?

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seth|laptop:

occasionally I have luck at the knoppmyth forums, but usually by the time I get a reply, I have already got a path to try from here, and have it sorted out

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fryfrog:

juski: you file a ticket/bug on the svn.mythtv.org site?

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fryfrog:

seth|laptop: yeah, mythtv forums basically suck from what i've seen

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juski:

fryfrog: what's the point? I dunno what's causing it. might be some weird minimyth thing from my PoV

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fryfrog:

i have okay luck searching the mailing list, and i sometimes read stuff i'd reply to

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fryfrog:

but i don't want all the mythtv mailing list traffic so i'm not subscribed :/

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Lin:

heya[

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juski:

and I can't build minimyth with debug support – not got an environment conducive to building it myself (tried & failed on both gentoo & ubuntu)

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fryfrog:

juski: any chance of installing something a bit more used like ubuntu?

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juski:

fryfrog: totally

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juski:

I can put a hdd in the box to get it started then eventually go nfsroot

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fryfrog:

juski: if it were me, i'd probably ditch minimyth

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** seth|laptop wants o try nfsroot **

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fryfrog:

oh, is that what you are doing now?

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fryfrog:

me too :)

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fryfrog:

but i'm to lazy

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juski:

I'll try the asoundrc fix on minimyth & see how it goes

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fryfrog:

and hard drives now – a days are very quiet

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** seth|laptop secretly wonders if that is not the answer for his xbox **

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juski:

apparently bunty will just work out of the box

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juski:

for my epia anyway

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psofa:

juski, well its also the nature of this problem .......

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fryfrog:

juski: i honestly doubt that is the problem though, it was obvious to me because the sound was simply *wrong*

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fryfrog:

like, it was to high or low pitched

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juski:

ah

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fryfrog:

or was playing faster / slower than the video :/

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juski:

it's not that then

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psofa:

for example when i stepped on a reproducable bug it was fixed after 2 days

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fryfrog:

juski: maybe you should send your problem box to a dev! :)

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psofa:

lol

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psofa:

attach your box to the bug report :P

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juski:

or some anthrax, mood I'm in

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psofa:

:P

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fryfrog:

ahahah

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fryfrog:

at least your front end is quiet

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juski:

then I had a look in the source last night. there's some weird things going on there

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fryfrog:

the only spare box i had that could do HD was a dual xeon in a case with like 2 noisey fans

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fryfrog:

sounds like a got a weee jet next to the tv :p

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juski:

check how much buffer the soundcard has, report it, then set the buffer level regardless.. wtf?

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juski:

I mean running mythfrontend -v all will surely show you messages about myth waiting for audio buffers, getting them – ad infinitum

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juski:

I'd expect that

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juski:

but it's the 'oo wait the video & audio are out of sync.. ' every so often

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juski:

expect when I'm timestretching

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fryfrog:

anyone recall where the opengl vsync setting is?

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juski:

fryfrog: tv playback

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juski:

same page as extra audio bufferring

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fryfrog:

ah

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juski:

myth is _clearly_ treating timestretched audio differently, and somehow it never ends up being detected as out of sync

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juski:

if I could build minimyth myself I'd hack audiooutput.cpp or whatever to always use the timestretch but with a factor of 1

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juski:

see if that helps

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juski:

wonder if giving my vga setup any more system ram would help

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juski:

maybe xvmc is being too slow & that's causing the out of sync stuff, but then that'd assume that deinterlacing gets turned off during timestretching

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juski:

which it doesn't seem to

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juski:

E_toomanyvariables!

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juski:

anyway – wait with baited breath as to whether or not the modified recording works when I get home

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psofa:

juski, does myth uses its own ffmpeg or the system's?

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psofa:

*use

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juski:

its own afaik

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juski:

you thinking what I'm thinking?

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psofa:

that the snapshot they use may be buggy?

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juski:

like maybe a buggy ffmpeg causing the streams to be extracted improperly?

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juski:

heh

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psofa:

nah i also tried libmpeg2 and i get those sound buffer messages

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juski:

worth a thunk though ;)

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cmason:

hello all

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cmason:

what would cause a cpu usage spike about 3 seconds after changing channels?

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juski:

neutrinos

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cmason:

feels like some disk cleanup going on

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seth|laptop:

well I would guess that as mythtv is recording all the time, there may be some overhead switching streams

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cmason:

it's bad enough to cause audio stutters

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cmason:

a burst of about 10s where the sound is horrible

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juski:

sounds familiar

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seth|laptop:

my computer freaks out, when something is either starting to record, or stopping one recording and starting another, if I am watching something, and a recording fores off, I get stuttering for about 3 seconds or so, then it levels out

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seth|laptop:

it is especially bad when the slave calls the irblaster script via ssh, to change the dish channel over to something

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seth|laptop:

thats what 10 second skip back is for :-)

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jduggan:

i get the same problem with the irblaster

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jduggan:

i think it got ironed out with some fiddling, its no problem for me since i dont watch so much livetv anymore, just record what programs i'd like to see, its my partner that sees all this stuff and complains

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psofa:

lol

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seth|laptop:

yeah, she goes "What was that all about" and I say " BSG is recording"

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jduggan:

heh

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jduggan:

im running a backend and frontend on the same machine though

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jduggan:

it seems like a high waste of electricity and money using two boxes just to watch tv, but looks like im gonna have to go down that route

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seth|laptop:

well my frontend is the master backend, and I have a slave. But the irblaster used by the slave is on the master, as this is where the dish receiver is, so when it goes to record something, my master/front gets all wonky for about 3 or 4 seconds, then it settles down.

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juski:

just get a more powerful box

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seth|laptop:

my problem is, the master only has 2 pci slots, thats where the HD cards are, so my pvr150 had to live somewhere else, so the slave came to be

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jduggan:

i'd have thought a 2ghz P4 with 1gig ram would be plenty

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jduggan:

although its cheap hardware

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cmason:

feels like it is trying to sync up the audio I think

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kuse:

I cant get SPDIF to work with the internal player in mythtv, it works flawlessly with xine and mplayer, how can I resolv this?

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Lin:

mythtv monitor insertion of usb-storages?

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seth|laptop:

question, would it be possible to have a dvd burner on a remote unit, connected via 100MB lan and use mytharchive to catalogue shows, if the storage containing the programs is on another host?

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jduggan:

seth|laptop: you could use nfs/samba then some hacked up scripts possibly

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seth|laptop:

kuse: is ac3 passthrough and dts passthrough checked in your Utilities>Setup>General audio page

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seth|laptop:

jduggan: I do have nfs working now

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jduggan:

seth|laptop: never used mytharchive, can you pass it scripts ?

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seth|laptop:

my hd recordings are on the master front, the dvd burner is on the slave/back

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seth|laptop:

I don't think it requires scripts, I used it to put BSG season so far on a dvd, and it worked well, made the little menus and everything, I did not pass it any scripts, was pretty much automagical

[16:52:17]

kuse:

seth|laptop: yes, I think the problem lies in what I need to type in the audio device

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jduggan:

ALSA:digital?

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seth|laptop:

kuse: I use /dev/dsp and default for the mixer

[16:53:27]

boardom:

Any idea what would cause me to lose sound after playing a video?

[16:53:35]

** boardom holds the torch next to his box **

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jduggan:

maybe something is locked on to the device

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seth|laptop:

boardom: what window manager are you using, kde, gnome....?

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kuse:

jduggan: but mplayer and xine can pass through

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boardom:

ratpoison

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boardom:

it's basically Screen

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boardom:

So weird though... had sound right up off install... then it just vanished

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seth|laptop:

well that kills my theory of kde holing onto the sound device

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boardom:

after the first movie played in myth

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boardom:

hah... alsa mixer doesn't appear to be muted

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seth|laptop:

s/holin/holding

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kuse:

seth|laptop: when I use ALSA:default it says i dont have alsa compiled in, but I have

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boardom:

fuck mixer

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boardom:

pcm was muted

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boardom:

Is that default behavoir in myth?

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cmason:

yeah, it's definitely resyncing the audio

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seth|laptop:

kuse: have you tried changing from /dev/dsp to /dev/adsp

[17:11:53]

kuse:

seth|laptop: dont have that device

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seth|laptop:

kuse: I am not sure then, the strange part is that it works with mplayer and xine, yet not Internal, I am out of ideas :-(

[17:17:50]

seth|laptop:

which distro

[17:18:15]

seth|laptop:

and window manager

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kuse:

seth|laptop: debian stable (sarge) fluxbox

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seth|laptop:

what happens when you type 'esdctl off'

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kuse:

dont think I got that command

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seth|laptop:

well that was an older version of ubuntu that I had to do that to let alsa have sound for games, was just a thought

[17:21:09]

seth|laptop:

maybe it was esdctrl

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seth|laptop:

at any rate esd followed by 'TAB' would show if the command was available

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seth|laptop:

if that doesn't help, I am definitely out of ideas, perhaps someone else in here knows (pretty sure they do actually, hehe) more tha me about it

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kuse:

When using mplayer i type like -ao alsa:device=hw=0.3 but that syntax dont seem to work for mythtv

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Inkubot:

!

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Inkubot:

stable ???

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Inkubot:

kuse you recommend for myth debian stable ?

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kuse:

Inkubot: what do u mean?

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Inkubot:

<seth|laptop> which distro

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Inkubot:

<seth|laptop> and window manager

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Inkubot:

<kuse> seth|laptop: debian stable (sarge) fluxbox

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seth|laptop:

kuse: There is mention here about making /dev/adsp point to a specific hardware device, actually the 2nd paragraph, http://knoppmythwiki.org/index.php?page=DigitalAudioHowTo perhaps here you will be able to create a /dev/adsp

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Inkubot:

you were talking about mythtv ??

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kuse:

Inkubot: yeah I know, but what about using stable?

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Inkubot:

jeje i was upgrading to sid when i saw the messages...

[17:28:11]

Inkubot:

so... control c

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Inkubot:

xD

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juski:

bah. pigging traffic looks horrendous out there

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seth|laptop:

kuse: try using 'ALSA:hw:0,3' in your output device section

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juski:

hmm this latest minimyth is using svn openchrome drivers

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kuse:

seth|laptop: dont work either, but that link u gave me worked, ty so much

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seth|laptop:

cool

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seth|laptop:

always glad to be able to give back ;-)

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juski:

how would it be possible for minimyth to be built with support for both via & nvidia xvmc ?

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juski:

just wondering how it's done so i can do it

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kuse:

hmmmm doesnt the internal player support DTS passthrough?

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juski:

yeah but you need to enable it

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** HEMI orders an IR Blaster from irblaster.info and hopes it works with FreeBSD. Since it's just using lirc it should be fine... **

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kuse:

i just have pass ac3 to spdif no pass dts to spdif choice

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juski:

well – I'm off home to see if my ffmpeg'd recording can be played without these glitches

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juski:

thing is though – if it plays okay, what do I point my finger at next?

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fryfrog:

zebras?

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seth|laptop:

magic gnomes?

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kuse:

Is there supposed to be a Pass DTS to SPIDF option in settings?

[17:54:20]

Inkubot:

guys, what do you recommend? should i compile mythtv or downloads binarys ?

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seth|laptop:

I think on mine, it just has a check box for ac3 passthrough, and dts passthrough

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** seth|laptop recommends compiling from the tarballs at mythtv.org, as I never had any luck with svn, or binaries **

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jduggan:

hrm

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jduggan:

i still use binaries, but when i get my new box i'll be building from source

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jduggan:

i just cant afford the tv-downtime :P

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seth|laptop:

me either, my boxes are production grade, if I were to start messing with svn I would need another box for developement :-)

[17:59:37]

GreyFoxx:

That reminds me, time for my weekly svn update heh

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seth|laptop:

and binaries won't really work for me, as i have different distros, and the binaries never really match up cross-platform, but building the .bz2 files from mythtv.org, I have equal playing field for all

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jduggan:

GreyFoxx: you upgrade weekly?

[18:00:19]

GreyFoxx:

At least yeah

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jduggan:

shiat

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GreyFoxx:

Every Saturday or Mondy

[18:00:26]

** seth|laptop passes out at the mere thought of that **

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jduggan:

way to have a stable system

[18:00:43]

GreyFoxx:

sometimes more often depending on what I see in the commits list

[18:00:47]

jduggan:

ever heard the phrase 'if its not broke dont fix it' :)

[18:00:48]

GreyFoxx:

It's quite stable :)

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seth|laptop:

now e17 I update every week

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jduggan:

heh

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jduggan:

e17

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GreyFoxx:

Kinda hard to code if you don't keep up to date

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seth|laptop:

desktop versions don't have the frying pan effect

[18:01:12]

jduggan:

oh you're a developer?

[18:01:12]

seth|laptop:

:-)

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GreyFoxx:

And when it comes to my kernel, drivers etc etc I don't update unless needed :)

[18:01:36]

GreyFoxx:

jduggan: Yeah, on days when I'm not too lazy

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jduggan:

seth|laptop: e17 is going to be such an anti-climax, ive been waiting for it to release since ~2000, i built it a few times from the CVS, but it still had some way to go

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jduggan:

i can see it being such a disappointment :P

[18:02:44]

seth|laptop:

jduggan: as of the 11th, I find it to be pretty rock solid, using it right now

[18:02:56]

jduggan:

seth|laptop: may you post a screenshot?

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GreyFoxx:

jduggan: takes about 30 minutes to update all of my system, and 95% of that happens in the background :)

[18:03:47]

jduggan:

hmm not too bad i guess

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seth|laptop:

jduggan: not from here, but I can later when I get home

[18:03:58]

jduggan:

ok cool

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seth|laptop:

The PA Court System doens't appreciate screen shots during work hours, hehe

[18:04:39]

jduggan:

GreyFoxx: dont suppose you know a way of changing all the contrast/color settings to default in the channel-editor without going through each channel and setting them, that is

[18:04:48]

jduggan:

channel-editor in mythtv-setup

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GreyFoxx:

jduggan: Not really, other than a single mysql statement

[18:06:11]

jduggan:

yea ok, i'll take a look around

[18:06:14]

GreyFoxx:

You could just do an UPDATE and update every channel at once

[18:06:20]

jduggan:

GreyFoxx: happen to know which table its in?

[18:06:32]

GreyFoxx:

a guess would be "channels"

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seth|laptop:

jduggan: Here are some from a few weeks/months ago http://www.mad-penguin.org/shots/

[18:07:16]

seth|laptop:

mostly using ubuntu

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kuse:

I get this in when trying 2 play DTS: "could not find decoder for codec (dts), ignoring." Anyone knows why?

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seth|laptop:

jduggan: I like this one : http://www.mad-penguin.org/shots/e17trans2.png

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seth|laptop:

strange kuse

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seth|laptop:

especially since it worked with mplayer, or didn't it

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seth|laptop:

maybe apt-get install win32codecs

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kuse:

the dts worked with xine

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jduggan:

seth|laptop: yea thats nice

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dangral:

Hi. Does anyone know how to setup WindowsXP to be a uPnP client for Mythtv?

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seth|laptop:

ack he used the "W" word

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seth|laptop:

:-)

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kormoc:

dangral, in short, you don't?

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dangral:

right

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dangral:

kormoc: I have no idea how to set it up

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kormoc:

erm, I was more saying that you can't

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dangral:

kormoc: ok. is that something that will be changing in the future?

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kormoc:

if poeople who want it code it, sure

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seth|laptop:

kormoc: you are a gentoo guy, correct?

[18:29:45]

kormoc:

indeed

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seth|laptop:

ok, so I installed sabayinlinux, gentoo, tweaked, and it gives me qt4, is it possible to emerge qt3 and have it co-exist with qt4, so that I may use mythtv on this box?

[18:30:44]

kormoc:

yes indeed

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seth|laptop:

and it won't whack out, or unmerge qt4?

[18:31:03]

kormoc:

and if you just emerge mythtv (assuming you have the proper use flags set for qt), it will bring in qt3 as a dep

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kormoc:

nope, will work just fine

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seth|laptop:

well that is the problem, I wish to use the same version of myth on this as I do the rest, the tarballs from mythtv.org, can I just emerge qt3?

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kormoc:

sure

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kormoc:

emerge <x11-libs/qt-4

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kormoc:

that *should* do it

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kormoc:

that says to emerge the version of qt that is less then 4

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kormoc:

go ahead and do a -pv on it to make sure it's the right version and the right use flags are set

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seth|laptop:

cool

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seth|laptop:

I figured as much, but as I use this laptop for work, I didn't want to hose anything

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seth|laptop:

well there it goes, (crosses fingers)

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jduggan:

is 32786 the default value for colour brightness and contrast?

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jduggan:

32768*

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seth|laptop:

according to mythweb it is also the setting for hue

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jduggan:

yea ok

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jduggan:

just running an update to reset them all heh

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jduggan:

i found an old scart ->composite/rca cable today

[18:53:04]

jduggan:

using this instead of a scart adaptor with direction switch and composite connector is much better quality

[18:53:27]

jduggan:

it must lose quality over the scart adaptor

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fryfrog:

you can also use "emerge =qt-3*" which will get you the latest version of 3 :)

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fryfrog:

on an unrelated note, the only thing i am not looking forward to with ubuntu is updating to the "latest" version

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fryfrog:

at least with gentoo, i am constantly keeping up

[19:00:03]

fryfrog:

when i tried to update my laptop from dapper -> edgy, it went so badly i just reinstalled

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Beakster:

hi

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jduggan:

something on watchdog bbc1 about sky+ boxes breaking down

[19:01:14]

Beakster:

can anyone help me with a Conexant CX23880/1/2/3?

[19:01:23]

Beakster:

just plugged it in, and it shows up in lspci

[19:01:27]

Beakster:

but what next

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jduggan:

lspci means nothing

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jduggan:

doesnt mean its going to work

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Beakster:

im on an 2.6.14 kernel on Fedora

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jduggan:

have you checked ivtv?

[19:01:58]

Beakster:

apparently 2.6.x has the driver

[19:02:08]

Beakster:

no, i havent checked ivtv

[19:02:08]

jduggan:

ok

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jduggan:

then you need to check google and see which driver it uses

[19:02:27]

Beakster:

how do i do that, i have looked ion /dev and i dont see a /dev/dvb directory

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jduggan:

well i dont think you're going to have a /dev/dvb untill the module is loaded

[19:03:35]

Beakster:

i believe its the cx88 driver

[19:03:54]

jduggan:

ok is the cx88 module built in the fedora kernel?

[19:04:08]

Beakster:

not sure

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Beakster:

do i check with lsmod?

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jduggan:

well you could check if its loaded with lsmod, but chances are its not

[19:05:02]

kuse:

Is it possible to play img's/iso's through rar archive?

[19:05:04]

Beakster:

yes, it looks like it is

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kuse:

dvd movie that is

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Beakster:

cx8800 32589 1

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Beakster:

cx88xx 59489 1 cx8800

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Beakster:

it lists that after a number of other modules such as v4l2_common

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jduggan:

heh seth|laptop you here?

[19:06:22]

jduggan:

is mad-penguin your host?

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jduggan:

lol

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jduggan:

any brits ->watchdog sky+ diss :)

[19:12:53]

jduggan:

bbc1

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jduggan:

11times in 18months one customer had to upgrade their sky+ box

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juski:

hey hey psofa

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psofa:

??

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juski:

guess what? the file I ffmpeg'd plays A ok

[19:24:54]

fryfrog:

wtf, circuit city has "Nintendo DS Lite – $129.99" listed for their black friday pricing

[19:24:55]

juski:

removed the bloody 2nd audio track & all is well

[19:25:05]

fryfrog:

doesn't a ds lite *already* cost $129?

[19:25:13]

juski:

so that rules out drivers etc, so it's a mythtv problem

[19:25:23]

fryfrog:

juski: why don't you create yourself a custom job in mythtv

[19:25:35]

fryfrog:

throw in the commands for ffmpeg to strip the extra track

[19:25:39]

psofa:

juski, and it doesnt display those sound buffer errors?

[19:25:41]

juski:

fryfrog: because sometimes we like to watch recordings before they've finished recording

[19:25:46]

fryfrog:

then if you know which shows do it, set them to do it

[19:25:47]

juski:

psofa: no .. no errors

[19:26:02]

juski:

fryfrog: only BBC channels have the extra audio track

[19:26:21]

psofa:

juski, hmm i was pretty sure there were some channels with one audio track that displayed the errors also

[19:26:30]

psofa:

box is still down :P

[19:26:41]

juski:

so what I'd ideally like to see is an option to _not_ record the extra audio track

[19:26:50]

psofa:

ill experiment with it when its up

[19:26:54]

fryfrog:

sure, that'd be best of course

[19:27:01]

fryfrog:

but at least you have an option now

[19:27:05]

juski:

true

[19:27:54]

fryfrog:

I'm gonna go home and Ubuntu-ify the test box i made for my parents

[19:27:57]

juski:

maybe mythtv's mpeg stream parser needs some love

[19:28:01]

fryfrog:

which they can't use cause they broke the svideo port

[19:28:37]

juski:

I read something about rogue EIT packets making it into recordings a while ago

[19:30:15]

juski:

mplayer, xine, vlc etc deal with the transport streams alright – why the hell can't mythtv?

[19:31:07]

juski:

I wonder if this IS related to me enabling EIT on my tuners to get radio data again

[19:31:13]

psofa:

hmm

[19:31:18]

fryfrog:

because mythtv was written by the devil!

[19:31:20]

juski:

seems like too much of a coincidence to me

[19:31:27]

fryfrog:

try turning it off?

[19:31:33]

juski:

fryfrog: gonna

[19:31:51]

juski:

but someone said it was more unlikely than an unlikely thing that this is the issue

[19:32:08]

juski:

then again, eliminating one more variable won't harm will it? ;)

[19:32:21]

fryfrog:

the only thing that hurts is geting punched in the nuts :)

[19:33:18]

fryfrog:

anyone here running ubuntu 6.10 know if it is kernel 2.6.17 or 2.6.18?

[19:34:17]

juski:

2.6.18 I think

[19:35:15]

juski:

time to reply to my thread since nobody else can be arsed

[19:35:24]

fryfrog:

THOSE FUCKERS!

[19:35:32]

fryfrog:

be sure to mention that everyone on irc is awsome

[19:35:43]

fryfrog:

and email is for little girls who like barbie and mlp

[19:37:12]

juski:

not even ****** replied which is strange cos he seems to chime in on every other thread

[19:39:27]

fryfrog:

who is *****?

[19:39:58]

juski:

heh

[19:40:02]

juski:

he knows who he is

[19:40:21]

juski:

must be penniless with all the $0.02 worth he give away

[19:40:27]

juski:

</bitchmode>

[19:40:43]

fryfrog:

i dunno who you are talking :/

[19:40:57]

juski:

it's of no consequence

[19:41:12]

psofa:

lol i hope you're not talking about me

[19:41:17]

psofa:

my box is broken :P

[19:41:23]

juski:

I kind of got a little further in my diagnosis which is what counts anyway :)

[19:41:51]

fryfrog:

did turning off EIT help?

[19:41:55]

juski:

oh yeah btw I didn't change the bitrates of the audio or the video with the ffmpeg thing – all it was doing was stream copies

[19:42:07]

juski:

fryfrog: won't I need to restart the backend for it to stick?

[19:42:16]

juski:

if so, I can't do that right now since it's recording

[19:42:23]

fryfrog:

and i don't get it, like 5 store's "black friday" add has the nintendo ds in it, priced at $129.99 which is the *normal* price!

[19:42:32]

fryfrog:

well, you can make the change and then restart it when nothing is recording

[19:42:43]

fryfrog:

or just screw you recording your mlp episode

[19:42:46]

juski:

if mythtv weren't such a workhorse in this house I probably wouldn't give a damn about playback glitches

[19:42:57]

Russ85:

hey guys, im going to be receiving a box of my choice to use as a mythtv box, and i was looking at the asus pundit pe-3 since it is recommended for use on the wiki. however i was reading about it and it said it is a slimline box, as well as only has 2 pci slots. could this pose a problem? im not *too* worried about the pci slots since ill only need 2 for each pvr150 card, however will the cards fit correctly with the sl

[19:43:06]

juski:

just seems insane to 'live with it' when it used to be perfect

[19:43:10]

Russ85:

or, can you recommend another barebones machine that will work well that is normal size?

[19:43:32]

fryfrog:

Russ85: what is your goal?

[19:43:51]

juski:

Russ85: only need 2 pci slots for each pvr150 card? erm.. a pvr150 card only takes up one pci slot fella

[19:43:58]

Russ85:

id like to be able to watch tv while recording another show at the same time, as easily and simply as possible

[19:44:07]

Russ85:

juski: thats what i meant, sorry. ill only need 2 pci slots lol

[19:44:14]

fryfrog:

"only need 2, for each pvr150 card" :p

[19:44:36]

fryfrog:

Russ85: are you looking for a quiet system you can place next to your tv that will look nice ?

[19:44:44]

juski:

Russ85: get 2x low profile PVR150 cards & you'll be laughing

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fryfrog:

why will he be laughing?

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Russ85:

as quiet as possible that doesnt produce a lot of heat

[19:45:19]

juski:

as opposed to crying when he finds out the brackets don't fit ;)

[19:45:22]

fryfrog:

oic :)

[19:45:34]

Russ85:

i already have 2 machines in my room that run 24/7. they get the room pretty hot sometimes

[19:45:35]

Russ85:

=S

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fryfrog:

Sorry, my FE is lame :(

[19:45:48]

fryfrog:

its loud and ugly

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juski:

Russ85: don't get anything that uses Athlon XP if you want a cool box then ;)

[19:46:33]

Russ85:

i was thinking just a standard p4, but, if you guys know of another machine that you can recommend that will work well with linux with no driver issues, id be forever grateful

[19:46:48]

juski:

fryfrog: one option I was considering was getting the xbox back downstairs while I fix the playback issue proper, but it's too damn fugly & noisy

[19:47:19]

fryfrog:

Russ85: now a days, *tons* of stuff works fine with linux

[19:47:47]

fryfrog:

Russ85: you should be fairly safe picking what ever you want, though the tv card and video card are about the only thing specifically

[19:47:51]

fryfrog:

suggested

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fryfrog:

something nvidia based for video card and a few different tv cards based on your goals (pvr150, air2pc / hd5500, etc)

[19:48:23]

Russ85:

fryfrog: well, i work at circuit city and i can get a pretty good discount on full machines, im just worried about buying one and linux having a problem with the chipset or something

[19:48:34]

Russ85:

hence why i was going religously by the wiki

[19:48:42]

fryfrog:

I see

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fryfrog:

can you find out before hand what is inside it?

[19:49:01]

Russ85:

yeah

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fryfrog:

the only things your are likely to have trouble with on a full system would be network and sound

[19:49:21]

fryfrog:

and even then, you'll prolly be safe still

[19:49:36]

Russ85:

eh, network is not a problem i have a box full of old 10/100 linksys nics

[19:49:46]

Russ85:

and i actually still have a PCI soundblaster 16

[19:49:47]

Russ85:

lol

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fryfrog:

most sound uses the ac97 codec thing

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fryfrog:

i forget the module, but it supports lots of the built in sound cards

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fryfrog:

I'd just be sure to know what you want to do (HD or SD tv) and go accordingly

[19:50:46]

fryfrog:

SD you can probably do with any left over 1ghz system

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Russ85:

standard def. i have a svideo-in on my tv

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fryfrog:

HD you'd want something in the 2+ghz

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fryfrog:

you can still *record* hd, even if your tv isn't HD

[19:51:29]

** seth|laptop tv is not hd **

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seth|laptop:

4:3 SD

[19:51:40]

seth|laptop:

but I watch HD all the time

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fryfrog:

if you have a cable box w/ firewire output, you might not even need a card

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Russ85:

nah

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Russ85:

i only have standard cable in

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fryfrog:

ah

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fryfrog:

I was pretty dissappointed in the signal quality my pvr500 picked up

[19:54:02]

Russ85:

well i gotta go to work but one last question just to clarify

[19:54:13]

fryfrog:

but my cable is lame

[19:54:18]

Russ85:

any generic mobo as long as it doesnt have a VIA chipset *should* work okay?

[19:56:53]

fryfrog:

i suspect modern via chipset would be fine

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fryfrog:

my suggestion would be to try for an nvidia or intel chipset, for the love

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fryfrog:

i would say avoid *old* via motherboards (ie, from the 1ghz proessor days)

[19:57:42]

fryfrog:

but i personally have had good luck with intel and nvidia :)

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kormoc:

I avoid all via's period

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fryfrog:

be too, but only cause i prefer nvidia's :)

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hhhjr:

well tahnks to the ppl here I fianally have got mythtv running but the video is very jerkey, do I need to load drivers for my nvidia mx 400 card?

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kormoc:

yes, nvidia drivers

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hhhjr:

the base system I used was the ubuntu 2.6.17 server kernal I tried to load the drivers for the generic 2.6.17 kernel but It tells me kernal headers not found then ask if I have installed them? what does that mean I have

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seth|laptop:

what is the output of 'uname -r'

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hhhjr:

Ill check

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fryfrog:

hhhjr: isn't there an nvidia-drivers package in ubuntu?

[20:07:29]

fryfrog:

apt-cache search nvidia

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fryfrog:

it should take care of any dependancies

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hhhjr:

2.6.17-10-server

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seth|laptop:

do a sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings linux-restricted-modules-`uname -r`

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boardom:

nvidia is probably the most straightforward part of the install

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hhhjr:

yes it tried but I was in th e synaptic package manager

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seth|laptop:

is that dapper or breezy?

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boardom:

.17 is edgy i'm guessing.

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hhhjr:

yes edgy

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hhhjr:

ok apt-cache nvidia-glx-nvidia binary xfree86 4.x/x.org driver

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hhhjr:

but nvidia-settings

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seth|laptop:

ack, i emerged qt3, and it still wants to use qt4 to build mythtv

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** seth|laptop surrenders **

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hhhjr:

Error nv-control extention not found on this display

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kormoc:

seth|laptop, you need to give it the path to qt3

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kormoc:

in the ./configure set

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kormoc:

*step

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hhhjr:

Error unable to determine number of gpus on '0.0'

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seth|laptop:

kormoc: ./configure --libdir ?

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hhhjr:

Error unable to determine number of nvidia frame lock devices on '0.0'

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hhhjr:

on apt-get install nvidia-glx it states that it is the latest version

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hhhjr:

already

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seth|laptop:

ah, --x11-path= I got it

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RancidLM:

hey all has any one gotten a hauppauge capture card working.. i baught one and for some reason its not working correctly with mythtv or with tv time.. tv time returns the error ivtv invalid argument if thats of any help..

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juski:

tvtime would. it doesn't work with ivtv cards

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juski:

did you make sure you set the tuner up as an 'mpeg encoder' in mythtv-setup?

[20:35:55]

RancidLM:

i just would like to find a way to use the composite inputs so i can hook up a wii to it next week :)

[20:36:24]

RancidLM:

juski yup

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juski:

er, there'd be WAY too much lag to play games through it

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juski:

even without mythtv there'd be too much lag

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juski:

like 1–2 seconds encoding delay

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RancidLM:

juski is there any way you can think just to stream the content to a window?

[20:37:29]

RancidLM:

becuase i use to do it with my old ATI VE wounder back in the day

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juski:

you can't bypass the mpeg encoder, so it'd still be useless for using with a console

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juski:

if all you wanna do is see your console on your computer monitor, bring the old ATI tuner back into service. it's the only thing they're good for, those framegrabbers

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hhhjr:

ok I know I am a newbie but at the prompt sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings linux-restricted-modules-`uname -r` returns cant find package linux-restricted-modules

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RancidLM:

juski: ok ill see what i can doo thanks! :)

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juski:

hhhjr: looks like you need to read the ubuntu community documentation

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juski:

about installing nvidia drivers ;)

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RancidLM:

juski: can u suggest a capture card that would do this though im in the market to go pick up a new one now

[20:39:21]

juski:

rtfm, rtfm, rtfm.. $deity do I ever say anything else? :-P

[20:39:57]

juski:

RancidLM: I can't recommend a framegrabber type card, no. don't pay too much for one though – certainly not as much as you paid for the pvr150 card

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hhhjr:

actually that is where I started from but Ill go back

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hhhjr:

thanks

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RancidLM:

juski: ok thanks! :)

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boardom:

hrmm... is there anything needed to tune ivtv cards (pvr 150) or should i be able to cat > blah.mpg and get a non-static feed?

[20:43:21]

juski:

boardom: the ivtv _documentation_ says something about such an application to do that very job!

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Russ85:

the geforce6200LE pci express graphisc card. would linux drivers work correctly with it?

[20:44:12]

juski:

Russ85: insofar as nvidia drivers work in linux with any of their other cards, yes

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boardom:

ivtv-tune

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Russ85:

k good

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Russ85:

thx :)

[20:44:41]

boardom:

yes, i see.. i was more curious as to if in general... there should be a default feed... Myth doesn't seem to be able to tune it to anything of value either...

[20:44:44]

boardom:

hence my question.

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boardom:

tuner0: type set to 4 (NoTuner) by ivtv i2c driver #0

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boardom:

... I'm guessing that is an issue. ;]

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dorao:

has anybody used the mythtv frontend remotely, through the internet?

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dorao:

(e.g. watch recorded shows at home from a hotel room)

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seth|laptop:

i suppose it would be possible to use VLC to stream shows from mythtv, however, I do not think the average internet connection could support the bandwidth to make it watchable

[21:09:23]

dorao:

that is too bad

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boardom:

Any idea why I wouldn't be able to tune past channel 15?

[21:10:34]

boardom:

sorry.. channel 13

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seth|laptop:

I guess it would depend on the content, HDTV stuff most likely will not stream so good, but perhaps with the right connection speed, the SD stuff would work

[21:10:58]

seth|laptop:

is it cable?

[21:11:05]

seth|laptop:

boardom

[21:11:11]

[21:11:52]

seth|laptop:

i can remember back in the day, if your tv didn't have a cable box, you could only get 2 thru 13

[21:12:17]

boardom:

Cable.. yes

[21:12:26]

boardom:

I do have the channels ;]

[21:12:34]

boardom:

Just not through this tuner yet

[21:12:50]

boardom:

Would the ivtv tuner setting influence that perhaps?

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seth|laptop:

not sure

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seth|laptop:

sounds right

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boardom:

hrmm

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boardom:

google will know ;]

[21:13:39]

seth|laptop:

what did you get on a channel scan

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boardom:

ooh..... let me check something

[21:15:28]

boardom:

hah.. you can tell i've been messing with this too long

[21:15:32]

boardom:

US-BCAST...

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boardom:

SMRT

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seth|laptop:

that would do it, hehe

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boardom:

hah... that's awesome

[21:17:04]

boardom:

not I just need to find my damn SVIDEO cable so i can hook up the TV.

[21:17:05]

boardom:

score

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** seth|laptop would like to find a 60ft svideo cable **

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boardom:

i imagine you'd have slight issues with signal loss

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boardom:

and $$$

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seth|laptop:

I use coax from the dish network box to the slave in the office, picture quality is <=good

[21:18:17]

boardom:

nice

[21:18:27]

boardom:

.. I'm going to have to figure out the key commands for live tv...

[21:18:35]

kormoc:

http://bluejeanscable.com/store/svideo/svideoprices.htm

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seth|laptop:

yeah it would be cheaper to buy 2 75ft coax cables, and move the receiver

[21:18:42]

boardom:

Having.. issues.. with the IR from the pvr150 kit

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kormoc:

$90 for 60'

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seth|laptop:

is it an MCE remote? that is what mine came with

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seth|laptop:

no range on that puppy

[21:20:45]

boardom:

yeah... grey with the windows start button

[21:20:52]

kormoc:

ooh? mine has ungodly good range

[21:20:52]

boardom:

you got it working?

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seth|laptop:

you need the lirc_mceusb2 module loaded

[21:21:09]

seth|laptop:

yes

[21:21:16]

boardom:

not the lirc_i2c?

[21:21:28]

kormoc:

seth|laptop, I get around 100 foot or so, I can change channels from the parkinglot, ina via a window

[21:21:33]

seth|laptop:

I have since migrated to a harmony 880 remote, to replace it

[21:21:51]

seth|laptop:

but it is using the same lircrc file, just with more buttons

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seth|laptop:

wow kormoc

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seth|laptop:

mine worked like 10ft away if I was lucky

[21:22:28]

kormoc:

wow, that's sucky

[21:22:53]

boardom:

hrmm... easy question, from program guide, how to i jump to that channel, versus bringing up the record menu screen (keyboard)

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seth|laptop:

"X"

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boardom:

gooold

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seth|laptop:

mythtv@mythcenter:~$ lsmod | grep lirc*

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seth|laptop:

lirc_serial 14336 0

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seth|laptop:

lirc_mceusb2 11524 1

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seth|laptop:

lirc_dev 15108 2 lirc_serial,lirc_mceusb2

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seth|laptop:

usbcore 113156 9 ehci_hcd,ttusb_dec,dvb_ttusb_budget,usbhid,lirc_mceusb2,usb_storage,ohci_hcd,uhc i_hcd

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seth|laptop:

those are the modules I use for mce remote

[21:24:52]

seth|laptop:

less the lirc_serial, its for my irblaster

[21:24:52]

boardom:

hrmm... The remote from a Hauupage PVR 150 MCE Kit?

[21:24:56]

seth|laptop:

yes

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kormoc:

lirc_mceusb2 and lirc_dev are the only two modules I use

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seth|laptop:

there ya go

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boardom:

hrmm.. everything out there was saying lirc_i2c

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boardom:

explains why it refused to work

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boardom:

can't trust google.. what am I going to do .. heh

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kormoc:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/MCE_Remote

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seth|laptop:

yeah thats what I used

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boardom:

yeah, that's what i'm looking at now

[21:26:37]

seth|laptop:

but knoppmyth did a wonderful job detecting it for me though

[21:26:53]

boardom:

I'm running ubuntu dapper.. but yeah, this shouldn't be too hard

[21:27:11]

seth|laptop:

isn't there a setup script for lirc

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boardom:

i spent way too much time on it last night, should have known there was something wrong when it wasn't detecting properly

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seth|laptop:

i think part of the reason my mce remote didnt work well was becasue I mounted the reciever inside the htpc case, I'll bet if it was still outside the box, it may work better

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kormoc:

likely, the lense on the outside of the reciever does wonders for it. When I removed it, range dropped quite a bit

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jstew:

Greetings, can anyone drop me a hint or 2 on solving a problem with huge fonts in the program guide and the text for the menu categories? I'm running fx5200 tv-out 800x600.

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jstew:

xserver dpi is 100x100

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charlieS:

well 800x600 is huge. Just adjust the font size in the menu.

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seth|laptop:

where does one set the xserver font size?

[21:38:16]

seth|laptop:

or rather dpi

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juski:

displaysize

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** seth|laptop will have to go home and measure the tv screen **

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seth|laptop:

and then find a mm converter, hehe

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jstew:

you can set it in the xorg.conf or the command line with startx -dpi

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seth|laptop:

I use XF86Config-4, and it says the entry should go in the "Monitor" section

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jstew:

charlieS: I've changed the font sizes and the small and medium fonts change but the menu categories and the program guide font stays exactly the same size

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** juski pre-empts playback problems with 'torchwood' by treating it with ffmpeg **

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juski:

jstew: some themes don't support changing font sizes

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jstew:

hmm...

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jstew:

Funny thing is it was fine under gentoo, now I run ubuntu and I have this problem.

[21:44:52]

juski:

to ensure a theme looks correct you A) need to read the readme file in the theme root dir & make sure you have the right font(s) installed and B) make sure X is running at 100DPI

[21:44:57]

jstew:

same hardware, same drivers for X,

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juski:

there I go again telling folks to read documentation.. sheesh

[21:45:27]

jstew:

lol

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seth|laptop:

hey this "torchwood" looks pretty good

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seth|laptop:

bbc only :-(

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jstew:

yeah, id *did* actually read it too

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juski:

seth|laptop: it's not all that

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juski:

still better than any USA scifi I've seen in recent years though

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jstew:

Anyhow, I'll try some different themes. So far retro and mythcenter both have the problem for me,

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juski:

jstew: maybe you've not got the fonts they use installed

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jstew:

could very well be.

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juski:

all my themes use BitstreamVera

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jstew:

well thanks for the hints juski,

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jstew:

bye

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SomeGuy:

Hello, very new to both Linux and MythTv. I have a question in regards to MythTv, hopefully someone can help or direct me to a website with further information. What exactly is this SQL and what is it needed for?? Having troubles getting it started :(

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charlieS:

it's a database server, for holding information (settings, tv guide, etc).

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juski:

a database server for holding ALL the information mythtv uses

[22:00:56]

SomeGuy:

K, thanks. This is exactly what troubles me, why does it need a database server? Could information like that not be stored in a file lets say??

[22:01:05]

boardom:

hah

[22:01:14]

boardom:

This troubles you?

[22:01:31]

SomeGuy:

Sorry my English is not the best :( .

[22:01:40]

boardom:

No worries.

[22:02:33]

juski:

mythtv stores a _lot_ of data, so flat files would not be very efficient

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juski:

and of course mythtv needs to operate over a network connection if you have more than one box in the mythtv network, which would make using files much more difficult

[22:05:14]

SomeGuy:

Ok, makes a bit more sense when you through networking into the equation ;) . Thanks. Almost done compiling, keeping fingures crossed

[22:05:15]

kormoc:

SomeGuy, let's put it this way, there's 746146 rows in just my recordedseek table, that's a lot of rows

[22:05:41]

juski:

plus, why write your own database engine when there's a very reliable one already done?

[22:05:58]

kormoc:

think how slow flatfile accesses would be on that sort of file :P

[22:06:50]

brad_mssw:

well, I could see mythtv using SQLite instead of mysql, and extend the mythtv protocol a bit so you never have to query mysql directly

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juski:

having a database gives mythtv the ability to flag commercials & seek within recordings very accurately. you say jump 2 minutes & it jumps for 2 minutes. not something else you could do with many other pvr apps

[22:07:03]

brad_mssw:

it would save some setup headaches for newbies

[22:07:11]

juski:

brad_mssw: sssh

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kormoc:

sure, but SQlite is quite.... limited...

[22:07:23]

juski:

then there's the BFSQ to consider

[22:07:41]

juski:

the massive, 6 pages of 80x25 text ONE LINE of mysql query which does the scheduling

[22:07:44]

SomeGuy:

Well it's just that i'v used MyTheater for a while, and had to do no such thing before. This SQL thing is new for me, and it's the part that's confusing me.

[22:07:50]

brad_mssw:

kormoc: limited in what way?

[22:08:18]

juski:

anyway head down, read some docs, ask questions ;)

[22:08:29]

kormoc:

brad_mssw, well, it doesn't support subquerys, nor foreign keys, nor 2 or more level deep joins...

[22:08:30]

brad_mssw:

kormoc: it's quite complete in regards to sql syntax, but in other area's, sure, it's a 'lite' db

[22:09:02]

juski:

I'm sure the developers would consider moving to sqlite once someone submits a working patch for it

[22:09:08]

boardom:

heh

[22:09:13]

kormoc:

brad_mssw, it's almost complete in reguards to sql 1992, and not even completely there

[22:09:18]

kormoc:

brad_mssw, http://www.sqlite.org/omitted.html

[22:09:46]

juski:

right now it's totally fair to say there are bigger fish to fry

[22:10:02]

kormoc:

brad_mssw, http://www.sqlite.org/cvstrac/wiki?p=UnsupportedSql

[22:11:48]

brad_mssw:

kormoc: most queries can be reworked with hopefully minimal effort where an unsupported feature is used ...

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juski:

brad_mssw: then there's all the work extending the myth protocol to deal with the network stuff

[22:12:25]

brad_mssw:

kormoc: my main concern actually looking at the omitted page is the ALTER TABLE limitations

[22:12:39]

brad_mssw:

juski: yep, the myth protocol would be the PITA

[22:12:45]

kormoc:

brad_mssw, sure, but they can become quite a burden to upkeep, given not too many devs know that say, a update wiht a limit is technically valid, but fails to actually update data on certain versions of sqlite, and similar

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juski:

hell even MediaPortal is using SQL now

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juski:

they've seen the light

[22:13:27]

juski:

(almost)

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brad_mssw:

kormoc: well, as long as development guidelines are specified, and the product is QA'd prior to release, it shouldn't be that cumbersome

[22:14:02]

juski:

yes, the 'other' big open source PVR app is going client-server & they took the easy way out

[22:14:36]

juski:

brad_mssw: conversely, installer scripts could take the pain away from the end user quite eaily

[22:14:48]

juski:

and much more simply IMHO

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kormoc:

brad_mssw, it is, esp with how bad it is to even get the sql in myth to work in postgresql, which is fully sql complient, it'd be non-trivial to get it working in sqlite.

[22:15:22]

juski:

so if you're gonna 'blame' anybody, take it up with the packagers ;)

[22:15:26]

brad_mssw:

juski: yeah, true

[22:15:50]

fysa:

I vote myth become its own distro. :P

[22:15:54]

juski:

debconf already does some good stuff in ubuntu, and believe me is gonna be doing a lot more

[22:16:04]

juski:

fysa: you can maintain it then!

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juski:

besides there are already mythtv distro

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brad_mssw:

kormoc: heh, well, I think the first step, before porting the sql syntax itself, would be to abstract the DB layer, and add the necessary protocol additions for the myth protocol ... then it makes it easier for other devs to 'play' with other db's

[22:16:54]

juski:

both full ones are pretty unknown quantities to me

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kormoc:

brad_mssw, they already are, it's all done via qt's db interface, so you can switch between any qt supported db right now

[22:17:15]

juski:

make mythmusic better first :)

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brad_mssw:

personally, the product I develop has such an abstraction, and we support Oracle, DB2, MySQL, PostgreSQL, FireBird, SQLite, and our own custom-written SQL DB

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fysa:

have you guys actually looked at how intricate some of the myth SQL really is?

[22:17:58]

brad_mssw:

kormoc: did I mention I hate Qt3?

[22:18:05]

juski:

it's a circular argument and is pointless in here

[22:18:35]

brad_mssw:

yeah, I've seen some of the queries, you're right, they're quite indepth

[22:18:47]

juski:

individual bias against package X Y or Z is totally futile. it's the way it is.. if you want it another way, you take it away & do what you want with it

[22:19:00]

juski:

and good luck!

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fysa:

sql :)

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fysa:

er

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fysa:

.. :)

[22:20:01]

brad_mssw:

well, despite any bias, if sticking with Qt, trolltech has 'deprecated' v3, and a port to v4 should really be underway

[22:20:27]

juski:

it's already in mind AFAIK

[22:20:43]

juski:

anyway time I wasnt here... g'night

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fysa:

what exactly would be a reasonable replacement for qt in your mind?

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kormoc:

brad_mssw, it's been talked about, and is rather... non-trivial again, so it'll happen, but not anytime soonish

[22:22:00]

fysa:

I don't see any other decent options.

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kormoc:

brad_mssw, feel free to submit patches to help get the ball rolling!

[22:22:11]

brad_mssw:

fysa: depends on what level of portability you want. Don't get me wrong, we commercially license Qt here, it does it's job for portability ...

[22:22:33]

brad_mssw:

fysa: but buggy as hell ... whew

[22:22:33]

kormoc:

fysa, I'm a fan of SDL personally, but it'd be a strikeingly different app

[22:23:02]

fryfrog:

woot, so far Ubuntu is letting me setup a RAID1 array that only has one member!

[22:23:19]

brad_mssw:

kormoc: yeah, i need to dig into the myth code a bit more and determine if it's worth hacking the current codebase

[22:23:21]

kormoc:

till it helpfully formats the other disk and adds it automagically! :P

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fryfrog:

ahahha

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fryfrog:

the "other" disk will *not* be connected :)

[22:24:04]

fryfrog:

until i *know* that gentoo is toast

[22:24:17]

fryfrog:

then maybe i'll clone it to a crappy pata hd before i add it as the second part of the mirror

[22:24:28]

fryfrog:

for just-in-case'sies

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fryfrog:

it appears ubuntu likes the "linux-image-generic" but is there say, an athlon-xp or 686 compiled kernel?

[22:25:28]

fryfrog:

or am i just trying to rice up ubuntu? :)

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SomeGuy:

Excellent, i believe it's working. ;) Thanx for help

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fryfrog:

is there any specific good guide for ubuntu, like the one jarod has for fc?

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fryfrog:

nm, seems to be on the ubuntu wiki!

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tryrt:

when i run cat /dev/video0 > test.mpg

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tryrt:

mplayer test.mpg

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tryrt:

all i get is static

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tryrt:

i have a pvr 150 with ivtv drivers

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fryfrog:

static is good, means its working

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fysa:

is it detecting your pvr-150 properly in dmesg?

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fryfrog:

did you specifically tune a channel or switch to another input *before* you did cat?

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juski:

well it wasn't EIT data causing the issue, and it's _definitely_ only BBC recordings with 2 audio tracks

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Russ85:

hey guys, question for ya

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Russ85:

this machine here i ran cpuz on: http://smurf.sourcefields.com/cpuz.html

[23:05:41]

Russ85:

your opinions please. good for mythtv? any hardware that ubuntu would have problems with?

[23:06:12]

fryfrog:

well, the bbc is for bitches!

[23:06:14]

Russ85:

itll have two pvr150's and a geforce 6200LE TC in it

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tryrt:

how do i get my database to work

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tryrt:

when i run

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fryfrog:

looks decent, how much is it?

[23:07:04]

tryrt:

mythfilldatabase

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fryfrog:

Russ85: it'd probably be overkill for an SD system

[23:07:16]

tryrt:

it gets a bunch of unauthorized errors

[23:07:21]

fryfrog:

I'd call that a *borderline* HD system

[23:07:31]

kormoc:

%s/probably/will/G

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Russ85:

389, but ill get a employee discount on it so itll probably end up being 320 or so

[23:07:34]

fryfrog:

tryrt: that is not mysql, that is likely just zap2it

[23:07:45]

tryrt:

i think i need a username

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tryrt:

and password

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fryfrog:

Russ85: ah, yeah sorry i meant for sure it is :)

[23:07:56]

tryrt:

toto put in my video source thing

[23:07:59]

tryrt:

where do i get that

[23:08:04]

fryfrog:

Russ85: well, can't beat that for ~$300

[23:08:05]

kormoc:

tryrt, yes, you do, as is covered in the mythtv docs

[23:08:10]

kormoc:

tryrt, which you should read

[23:08:18]

fryfrog:

tryrt: did you run mythtv-setup and all that?

[23:08:21]

Russ85:

fryfrog: im going for just standard def, and ill also run nintendo 64/snes/nes/genesis games on it if i can (since i noticed that mythtv has that stuff)

[23:08:31]

fryfrog:

if you've done it all properly, the output of "mythfilldatabase" isn't pretty

[23:08:40]

fryfrog:

it has a lot of unauthorized and 404s, as it gets the data

[23:08:55]

fryfrog:

Russ85: if they don't have something *lower* end than that, i'd say its a good match

[23:09:03]

fryfrog:

nForce chipset is a good bet

[23:09:10]

fryfrog:

and it *looks* like it has a built in nvidia card too

[23:09:13]

Russ85:

so linux <3's nforce?

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fryfrog:

so you don't need to get that 6200

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Russ85:

it does but it doesnt have svid out, hence why im replacing the card

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fryfrog:

you *sure* it doesn't have svideo out?

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Russ85:

yeah, looked at the back of the display model we have on the shelf

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fryfrog:

you *might* be able to get an little addon dohikey that adds it, ie a port that plugs into the motherboard

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fryfrog:

though a 6200 is prolly what, like $30?

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Russ85:

69.99

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fryfrog:

that is a rip off

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kormoc:

that's a bit... much...

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fryfrog:

I paid like $50 for my 6200 1 year ago

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tryrt:

Fill in the username and password that you have established with DataDirect

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Russ85:

well, we have a $39 ati card that has svid out

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fryfrog:

from newegg

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tryrt:

that is all the docs sat

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tryrt:

*say

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Russ85:

but i read linux doesnt like ati

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tryrt:

where do i establish this

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kormoc:

Russ85, stay away from ati + linux

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fryfrog:

nvidia is easier on the mind :)

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fryfrog:

its not *impossible* or really not even that *hard*... but its not worth it

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Russ85:

i might look around newegg for a nvidia card that has svid out

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kormoc:

tryrt, http://mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-5.html#ss5.3

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Russ85:

so do standard game controllers work well with ubuntu?

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Russ85:

IE can I hook up my plug-and-play usb game control and get going playing games as easily with ubuntu as windows

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fryfrog:

i dunno :/

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fryfrog:

i got my xbox controller working in gentoo, but gentoo isn't "automatic"

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fryfrog:

i'll try it and see in a bit :)

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Russ85:

cause i noticed that mythtv includes stuff for emulators

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fryfrog:

i'm installing ubuntu on my testie box now

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Russ85:

cool :)

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Russ85:

well, im off to the mall. girls shopping and wants me to join her

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Russ85:

*sigh*

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Russ85:

later. lol

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wreckage:

I had mythtv working great, until today when I got home from work and there's no sound

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wreckage:

no changes have been made and all the cables are plugged in

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wreckage:

any ideas or cases where sound would just stop working?

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riddlebox:

anyone have a problem with an ati card, that when you view tv or a video it is bigger than normal?

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fysa:

wreckage: Every now and then I have to restart alsa for some reason.

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