| Saturday, November 11th, 2006, 00:00 UTC | ||
| [00:00:01] | SlicerDicer-: | ohh I know |
| [00:00:05] | SlicerDicer-: | but what I am saying |
| [00:00:06] | SlicerDicer-: | in the future |
| [00:00:09] | SlicerDicer-: | it might change to node 1 |
| [00:00:09] | defaultro: | ok |
| [00:00:12] | SlicerDicer-: | due to cablecompany |
| [00:00:14] | juski: | I think I remember reading that radio recordings might be able to use interactive stuff so you can see the posh graphics.. think it's in svn |
| [00:00:16] | defaultro: | gotcha |
| [00:00:23] | defaultro: | so now, why can't I capture? |
| [00:00:27] | juski: | that _would_ be a use for it IMHO |
| [00:00:30] | defaultro: | but test-mpeg2 is able to capture |
| [00:00:50] | SlicerDicer-: | defaultro: no idea on that one? maybe mythtv was compiled wrong with the 1394 support? |
| [00:00:59] | juski: | oh yeah the other thing I noticed about this playback issue is that if I play the recording from the beginning & don't skip, it's OK |
| [00:01:04] | defaultro: | k |
| [00:01:14] | defaultro: | I will try broadcast |
| [00:01:18] | juski: | .. which is kinda what led me to think it's shite in the stream |
| [00:01:33] | fysa: | have you tried forcing a video mode – interlace/progressive? |
| [00:01:35] | SlicerDicer-: | defaultro: P2P I found always to be more reliable no matter the cable company |
| [00:01:43] | juski: | fysa: makes not a jot of difference |
| [00:01:51] | fysa: | I get lots of streams that I have to force as one or the other, or it constantly switches and loses it causing skipping every few seconds |
| [00:02:05] | juski: | believe me I've tried all the tricks |
| [00:02:07] | fysa: | heh |
| [00:02:13] | fysa: | well, I'm off to dinner. good luck |
| [00:02:29] | juski: | can there please be a setting to turn off some osd menu stuff though? it's getting rather busy in there |
| [00:02:46] | defaultro: | k |
| [00:02:55] | defaultro: | that's why i use p2p = 1 |
| [00:02:59] | defaultro: | i saw it on your wiki |
| [00:03:04] | juski: | cheers for the tip about the rec profile fysa :) |
| [00:03:26] | juski: | if it's not this then I'll check minimyth's CPU freq governor stuff out |
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| [00:03:34] | fysa: | extra audio buffering is enabled, right? |
| [00:03:44] | juski: | yes. made no diff either way |
| [00:03:44] | Andr3www: | Hi I was wondering if I could get a hand doing a noob set up |
| [00:03:59] | juski: | the big catch is that audio is fine in timestretch mode |
| [00:04:00] | Andr3www: | I'm installing on debian and all the packages are fine, but mythtv-setup doesn't work |
| [00:04:23] | fysa: | timestretch resamples the audio.. |
| [00:05:16] | wreckage: | damn it |
| [00:05:25] | wreckage: | using alsamixer how do I turn a line on? anyone know? |
| [00:06:02] | fysa: | for a stupid quick fix, you could find where the timestretch up/down thresholds are set and make one that is 1.0001 or something silly, just so you have something to use to force a resample without really screwing with the time. |
| [00:07:48] | juski: | god damn mutha... |
| [00:07:56] | juski: | it fixed it |
| [00:08:24] | fysa: | nice! |
| [00:08:28] | juski: | so – time to make a new recording profile for my radio recordings :) |
| [00:08:33] | juski: | thanks fysa! |
| [00:08:43] | fryfrog: | is there a way to scrub the recordings dir and remove anything that *isn't* in the db? |
| [00:08:46] | fryfrog: | or at least, to list it? |
| [00:09:05] | fysa: | fryfrog: you could use the mythrename.pl to create readable names for stuff.. |
| [00:09:10] | fysa: | and then see what's not linked back. |
| [00:09:39] | juski: | fryfrog: or cook up your own magical automatic perl/mysql-fu |
| [00:09:48] | fysa: | juski: it's always nice to figure out what an option may actually be good for. ;) |
| [00:10:26] | juski: | fysa: to be completely honest I'd always thought there was nothing of interest in dvb recording profiles |
| [00:10:33] | juski: | this needs to be documented |
| [00:10:53] | fysa: | I think mythtv needs a single setup page sorted by problems.. |
| [00:11:09] | juski: | I dunno why the interactive stuff even gets recorded on non-live stuff anyway |
| [00:11:12] | fysa: | "if you have these symptoms, these options may help:" |
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| [00:11:39] | juski: | "audio sounds like it's underwater... cure: remove head from bucket of water" |
| [00:11:50] | fysa: | I never figured out why things like audio and video settings were on different screens/sections. |
| [00:11:53] | fysa: | haha |
| [00:12:12] | juski: | I must be doing well, I still have my sense of (jaded) humour |
| [00:12:48] | juski: | sod though – the recording I picked to test the playback problem.. beverly hills cop... using THAT to check for audio discontinuity.. erm.... ;) |
| [00:13:13] | defaultro: | SlicerDicer? |
| [00:13:24] | SlicerDicer-: | yes? |
| [00:13:28] | SlicerDicer-: | sorry did I miss something? |
| [00:13:29] | defaultro: | :) it's working now |
| [00:13:31] | defaultro: | no |
| [00:13:36] | defaultro: | i just rebooted the linux box |
| [00:13:42] | SlicerDicer-: | ahh |
| [00:13:49] | defaultro: | i don't know what fixed it |
| [00:14:00] | SlicerDicer-: | who knows :) |
| [00:14:04] | defaultro: | only thing i remember, i ran plugctl yesterda |
| [00:14:10] | ** SlicerDicer- throws a confusion hammer ** | |
| [00:14:15] | defaultro: | hhahhha |
| [00:14:20] | fysa: | time to visit the jfs-discussion list. |
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| [00:16:41] | juski: | and just verified the test recording DOES indeed have the 2nd audio track so I wasn't peeing into the wind :) |
| [00:16:55] | dtm: | juski: well done. |
| [00:17:45] | juski: | using ready-made mythtv builds is GREAT but with a thing like minimyth your hands are tied when it coes to debugging |
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| [00:21:31] | antiPo5ix: | Im back, sette down people, yes, settle |
| [00:22:16] | kormoc: | yeah, if you guys don't settle down, I'm gonna have to kick ban antiPo5ix to get you to settle down! Don't make me do it! |
| [00:23:29] | juski: | what what what? |
| [00:23:42] | ** juski behaves himself & helps himself to some more JD ** | |
| [00:23:49] | juski: | cheers! |
| [00:24:08] | jams: | heh yeah JD really makes people behave |
| [00:24:35] | kormoc: | it does... behave like an ass! |
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| [00:26:49] | ** juski shudders at the prospect of being k-lined ** | |
| [00:27:09] | kormoc: | heh, I doubt you have any worrys there |
| [00:27:31] | juski: | blummin red letter day again today.. me asking for help in here |
| [00:27:59] | juski: | and got a fix! the community works! :) Like I ever thought anything different... |
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| [00:35:17] | juski: | would there be any way to make mythtv strip bits out of streams on the fly, so to speak? I think it was the extra overhead of the 'interactive' data in the streams causing via's xvmc to cough |
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| [00:37:01] | janneg: | juski: in the recording profiles is a setting to record just audio and video |
| [00:37:18] | juski: | janneg: I know that now, thanks to the man fysa :) |
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| [00:38:04] | juski: | of course the reason I'd never seen the issue in 0.19 was that 0.19 just chucked the interactive shite out of the way as a matter of course ;) |
| [00:38:51] | juski: | I'll not be losing any sleep over not being able to 'press the red button' that's for sure |
| [00:38:53] | janneg: | juski: and you're using telepathy? |
| [00:39:08] | janneg: | I thin it was added only after 0.19 |
| [00:39:28] | juski: | janneg: fysa told me earlier, I was just wondering if myth would be able to strip it on playback |
| [00:40:17] | juski: | interactive was added in 0.20, probably about 6 months before 0.20 was released – but I think it always chucked the non AV packets away before hand |
| [00:40:18] | janneg: | ah, mythtranscode may strip it |
| [00:40:30] | juski: | oh yeah |
| [00:40:38] | juski: | I reckon it will |
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| [00:41:14] | juski: | damdest thing.. stuttery playback & only 25% CPU usage. had me scratching my head a bit |
| [00:41:57] | Zider: | ooo, updated nvidia drivers :D |
| [00:42:25] | janneg: | 9xxx non beta? |
| [00:42:34] | Zider: | yeps |
| [00:42:41] | Zider: | 9629 |
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| [00:43:11] | kormoc: | yeah, working quite well |
| [00:43:17] | juski: | bedtime anyway. phew what a blimmin day! |
| [00:43:21] | juski: | g'night |
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| [00:43:26] | quink: | hello. |
| [00:43:45] | janneg: | juski: I would consider it a bug that we feed the interactive packets to xvmc |
| [00:44:08] | janneg: | add a "as" in that sentence |
| [00:44:13] | janneg: | good night |
| [00:45:31] | antiPo5ix: | I have my lirc_serial tranmistter working fine on one box, and my lirc_mceusb2 working fine on my other. Why can I not get them to work together on the same box |
| [00:46:24] | antiPo5ix: | in my /etc/lircd.conf file I have my two definitions of my two "remotes", my remote that talks to my receiver, and my remote that talks to my set to box |
| [00:46:41] | antiPo5ix: | both of those remotes need to use a different kernel module however |
| [00:46:50] | antiPo5ix: | cant figure out how to make it work |
| [00:47:08] | quink: | is there a way to debug when a module loads? |
| [00:47:50] | antiPo5ix: | I need to tell irsend to use the lirc_serial module |
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| [00:48:09] | antiPo5ix: | I have both lirc modules loaded at the same time |
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| [00:55:59] | sdodson: | Is there a handy way to purge all recording schedules? |
| [00:56:07] | quink: | anyone know where ivtv 0.4.x looks for the firmware? |
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| [00:57:55] | sdodson: | quink: /lib/modules or wherever your hotplug directory is |
| [00:58:32] | quink: | i'm trying ot figure out where ivtv is looking. it should be finding stuff but its not. |
| [00:59:26] | quink: | i have it in /lib/firmware/ /lib/modules/ just in case it doesn't know where to look. |
| [01:00:44] | mirak: | mythvideo browser sucks |
| [01:00:51] | mirak: | mythmusic sucks too |
| [01:01:01] | mirak: | not that I want to troll |
| [01:01:13] | mirak: | but well, lol, that's not much practicall |
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| [01:23:40] | defaultro: | anyone here uses mythstream? |
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| [01:38:09] | siXy: | mirak, mythmusic is (slowly) being worked on |
| [01:38:31] | siXy: | mythvideo has 3 different browse modes, and some of them are ok. |
| [01:43:14] | psofa: | juski, what was the problem? |
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| [01:45:00] | psofa: | nah cant wait :P must sleep |
| [01:45:05] | psofa: | gn guys |
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| [01:50:00] | moodboom: | hey all – trying to get tv-out working – have a geforce 350 mobo (uses nvidia driver) and a pvr-350 – want to use the pvr's tv-out but there's no /dev/fb#, which i need – anyone care to nudge me in the right direction? |
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| [01:50:57] | moodboom: | err.. make that an nvidia nforce 430 |
| [01:51:11] | moodboom: | brain is toasted :P |
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| [01:51:26] | quink: | any of you run fvwm + gentoo + mythtv? |
| [01:52:33] | moodboom: | sorry i run fluxbox+gentoo+mythtv :< |
| [01:53:20] | quink: | i need to upgrade my X to 7 modular but all i use is the most basic X...fvwm and was wondering what i might need to make the upgrade work |
| [01:53:44] | moodboom: | i went thru the gentoo guide, worked fine for me |
| [01:54:05] | wireddd: | is there a good how-to for lirc somewhere? |
| [01:55:46] | quink: | does it use the same xorg.conf file? |
| [01:56:24] | wireddd: | because I have everything working except my remote |
| [01:57:23] | quink: | wireddd: there are pleanty of good faqs on lirc |
| [01:57:26] | moodboom: | quink looking back at my notes, i don't think i had to redo my xorg.conf after the upgrade |
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| [01:57:40] | wireddd: | quink maybe a debian specific one then? |
| [01:57:56] | quink: | i'm not sure if i want to or not. thing are working now...but not mythtv .20 without modular x. |
| [01:58:12] | moodboom: | nod |
| [01:58:32] | quink: | I guess if i follow the guide they suggest quickpkg and htat should let me undo htings, right? |
| [01:58:42] | moodboom: | yes, i did that |
| [01:58:53] | quink: | screw it. might as well go for it. |
| [01:59:00] | moodboom: | here are some of my ugly notes, the xorg upgrade is at the very end |
| [01:59:01] | moodboom: | yeah |
| [01:59:03] | moodboom: | http://news.thedigitalmachine.com/2006/06/07/ . . . ll/#more-130 |
| [01:59:09] | quink: | ok. cool. |
| [02:01:59] | ** quink crosses his fingers ** | |
| [02:02:01] | quink: | ready set go. |
| [02:02:20] | moodboom: | hehehe have fun with it, you'll get there :> |
| [02:02:34] | moodboom: | it DOES take a while though! :> |
| [02:04:38] | quink: | for the compiles or configuring? |
| [02:04:42] | fryfrog: | What the hell, my slave back / front end is ... behaving like its on a dial up connection, everything is real laggy |
| [02:05:09] | moodboom: | the compiling |
| [02:05:19] | fryfrog: | It is like there is something using a ton of cpu, or like i'm ssh'ing over dial up to it :/ |
| [02:05:19] | quink: | ah. |
| [02:05:31] | fryfrog: | but cpu and memory usage are very low :/ |
| [02:07:40] | r3z`: | Anyone setup an ATI Remote wonder in myth? |
| [02:08:12] | ** GreyFoxx growls as his backend crashes ** | |
| [02:09:32] | r3z`: | I am using mythdora and set up the ATI Remote wonder in MYth but it isnt working? |
| [02:11:20] | fryfrog: | GreyFoxx: what crashed it? Tell me it wasn't visiting recorded programs? |
| [02:11:22] | fryfrog: | in mythweb |
| [02:13:17] | GreyFoxx: | fryfrog: No, it died right after finishing 2 recordings and just before starting another. Also before the single frame snapshot was generated so it might be that |
| [02:13:34] | GreyFoxx: | Luckily the failure spit out the exact line that failed |
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| [02:17:13] | quink: | i've never bothered using myth on more then one computer. I bet its gratifying to have multiple front ends. |
| [02:17:44] | GreyFoxx: | quink: Heh It's handy |
| [02:18:08] | fryfrog: | 2006-11–10 21:18:00.613 RingBuf(/mnt/raid5/mythtv/recordings/3074_20061110205800.mpg): Waited 1.0 seconds for data to become available... |
| [02:18:10] | ** GreyFoxx 1 slave backend, 1 master+frontend, and 4 frontends only ** | |
| [02:18:16] | fryfrog: | damn you slave back end, what is going on! |
| [02:18:20] | quink: | sounds like a huge waste of power though. |
| [02:18:38] | GreyFoxx: | quink: My 4frontends use almost no power at all |
| [02:18:39] | quink: | 150w x6=holy crap |
| [02:18:49] | GreyFoxx: | my frontends use 18w |
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| [02:18:54] | quink: | how do you manage that? |
| [02:19:00] | fryfrog: | A 150w psu on a machine isn't using 150w full time |
| [02:19:03] | GreyFoxx: | MSNTV2 stb boxes hacked to run linux |
| [02:19:05] | GreyFoxx: | no moving parts |
| [02:19:07] | GreyFoxx: | no harddrives |
| [02:19:10] | fryfrog: | oh, well that too |
| [02:19:15] | fryfrog: | that'd lower it even more :) |
| [02:19:20] | quink: | fryfrog: i know. but most computer, small and all, seem to run at about 85–150w idle |
| [02:19:30] | GreyFoxx: | quink: http://pics.phaze.org/?album=albums/2006/03-05-MSNTV-MythTV& |
| [02:19:43] | fryfrog: | GreyFoxx: no HD of course? |
| [02:19:58] | GreyFoxx: | no HD, all nfsrooted |
| [02:20:02] | quink: | much effort to get that working? |
| [02:20:03] | fryfrog: | neat |
| [02:20:09] | fryfrog: | what distro does it run? |
| [02:20:26] | GreyFoxx: | fryfrog: I run slackware on all of my Linux machines |
| [02:20:30] | fryfrog: | ah |
| [02:20:52] | fryfrog: | good picture quality from them? |
| [02:21:00] | GreyFoxx: | fryfrog: perfect picture |
| [02:21:12] | GreyFoxx: | as good as you can get from any settop box |
| [02:21:25] | fryfrog: | nice |
| [02:21:30] | fryfrog: | it appears to have svideo out? |
| [02:21:49] | fryfrog: | or am i guessing wrong? |
| [02:22:07] | GreyFoxx: | same guts as an xbox with twice the ram. Except a newer cpu which generates less heatso no need for a cpu fan |
| [02:22:12] | GreyFoxx: | yup, composite and svideo out |
| [02:22:23] | GreyFoxx: | usb2 in the back |
| [02:22:31] | GreyFoxx: | modem and 10/100 ethernet |
| [02:23:32] | GreyFoxx: | Until the day comes that I have an HDTV source and something to output it too these will be great for myuses :) |
| [02:24:39] | fryfrog: | neat |
| [02:24:50] | fryfrog: | i guess no one has tried to xbox them? |
| [02:24:58] | GreyFoxx: | pardon ? |
| [02:25:01] | GreyFoxx: | "xbox them" ? |
| [02:25:06] | fryfrog: | you say it is the same guts as an xbox? |
| [02:25:22] | GreyFoxx: | pretty much the same other than a different GPU |
| [02:25:31] | GreyFoxx: | celeron 733, 128meg of ram, |
| [02:26:57] | Zider: | socketed cpu? |
| [02:27:10] | fryfrog: | ah |
| [02:27:13] | fryfrog: | doubt it |
| [02:27:18] | GreyFoxx: | no :) |
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| [02:28:37] | Zider: | too bad.. :) |
| [02:29:36] | Zider: | I wonder how well a C7 would perform in a mythbox.. |
| [02:30:21] | fryfrog: | what in the mother of god is going on! |
| [02:30:30] | fryfrog: | my nfs write performance just went down the toilet! |
| [02:30:32] | fryfrog: | 3mb/sec??? |
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| [02:34:39] | defaultro: | hi fryfrog |
| [02:34:45] | defaultro: | firewire is working now :) |
| [02:34:47] | fryfrog: | hi defaultro |
| [02:34:49] | fryfrog: | awsome! |
| [02:34:57] | quink: | moodboom: any idea the differences between xorg-x11 and xorg-server? |
| [02:34:59] | defaultro: | i followed your instructions |
| [02:35:05] | defaultro: | i deleted the new zipcode |
| [02:35:21] | defaultro: | i also rebuilt 6200ch so that it defaults to NODE 2 as mentioned by Slicer |
| [02:35:25] | defaultro: | it fixed it |
| [02:35:33] | fryfrog: | quink: in gentoo, i think xorg-x11 is a virtual package that gets you everything |
| [02:35:34] | defaultro: | myth is not sending the node number |
| [02:35:39] | fryfrog: | xorg-server is *just* the server |
| [02:35:46] | defaultro: | anyone here uses mythstream? |
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| [02:36:30] | quink: | i guess my quesiton is, fvwm is a bit more minimal, so does it need everything? |
| [02:37:24] | fryfrog: | what do you mean? |
| [02:37:39] | fryfrog: | if you do "emerge -va xorg-x11" you'll see what it is pulling in |
| [02:37:42] | quink: | do i need all of xorg or just the server? |
| [02:37:57] | fryfrog: | chances are its only pulling in a lot of stuff because you didn't set your VIDEO_CARDS or INPUT_DEVICES options |
| [02:38:00] | quink: | yeah but the new way its compiling...modular, i'm seeing htings i don't remember. |
| [02:38:00] | Zider: | not "all of" xorg, but enough to have any use for it :P |
| [02:38:04] | quink: | fryfrog: i did set it. |
| [02:38:12] | fryfrog: | then you want xorg-x11 |
| [02:38:16] | fryfrog: | it isn't *that* much |
| [02:38:21] | quink: | ah. |
| [02:38:24] | quink: | ok ready set go. |
| [02:38:27] | Zider: | different wms doesn't need more or less parts of xorg |
| [02:38:27] | fryfrog: | assuming you don't have "kde" or "gnome" use flags? |
| [02:38:30] | fryfrog: | i spose? |
| [02:38:35] | quink: | 110 packages. |
| [02:38:38] | fryfrog: | yeah, and what Zider says :) |
| [02:38:38] | quink: | nope none of that. |
| [02:39:06] | quink: | i'll just give it a go and see wtf happens. |
| [02:39:17] | quink: | my system was down for a couple of weeks nayways so no biggie if it stays down. |
| [02:39:46] | Zider: | quink: the modularity allows you to skip drivers or tools you don't need, not for different functionality for different wms :) |
| [02:43:24] | fryfrog: | anyone heard of a daemon / process watchdog? |
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| [02:47:53] | quink: | Zider: yeah. i guess sometimes i fail to think things through |
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| [02:48:11] | Zider: | quink: or fail to RTFM ;) |
| [02:48:18] | quink: | wtf is the manual? |
| [02:49:14] | wireddd: | lirc seems harder to setup than it should be |
| [02:49:14] | Zider: | don't you know what a manual is? |
| [02:49:22] | quink: | Zider: sarcasm |
| [02:49:26] | Zider: | ;P |
| [02:53:26] | wireddd: | I think I have lirc installed and I have the kernel modules loaded, but how am I supposed to configure it? |
| [02:53:40] | wireddd: | I think I have lirc installed properly |
| [02:54:35] | wireddd: | I am trying to use the ir port built into my laptop, with the pvr 350 remote |
| [02:55:08] | quink: | well 33/103 done. not bad |
| [02:55:25] | quink: | wireddd: pvr uses some sorta of 'special' ir that only works with its receiver iirc |
| [02:55:36] | quink: | its not standard from what i remember. |
| [02:55:52] | quink: | I might well be wrong though. |
| [02:56:35] | fryfrog: | oh, slow deletes are kind of neat |
| [02:59:36] | wireddd: | well I guess that wont work then |
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| [03:19:19] | savage1: | shit man |
| [03:19:24] | savage1: | trying to figure out how to install mceusb2 |
| [03:19:26] | savage1: | any ideas |
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| [03:28:43] | tracy: | what is the best way to take a recording and convert to Xvid? FC6 and myth 0.20 |
| [03:28:54] | xris: | nuvexport |
| [03:29:12] | tracy: | ok i was hoping someone would not say that.. |
| [03:29:26] | tracy: | Floating point exception |
| [03:29:42] | tracy: | from FFmpeg |
| [03:30:07] | tracy: | so i guess i need to try compile it on it's own... that is going to suck |
| [03:33:45] | xris: | tracy: hang on |
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| [03:34:18] | xris: | http://rpm.forevermore.net/x264/ |
| [03:34:21] | xris: | http://rpm.forevermore.net/ffmpeg/ |
| [03:34:36] | xris: | I *think* that should work. |
| [03:35:29] | xris: | you could also just use --transcode, which works better for xvid, anyway |
| [03:36:08] | xris: | though I have heard some rumors about ffmpeg not working properly in fc6. thought got it fixed, though. |
| [03:39:32] | tracy: | ok thanks xris, i'm gonna try that now |
| [03:39:53] | tracy: | was just googling other ppl with the same problem |
| [03:40:34] | xris: | yeah. I don't think any of the 3rd party fc6 ffmpeg packages work properly |
| [03:40:59] | xris: | livna supposedly has a fix, but they're holding off releasing it for some reason. |
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| [03:42:57] | xris: | I know that my packages at least sort of work. but honestly, you're better off with transcode for xvid, anyway. slower, but the result looks nicer. |
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| [03:48:32] | tracy: | xris how do i use transcode instead of FFmpeg? |
| [03:49:09] | xris: | tracy: I already said: --transcode |
| [03:49:18] | xris: | or you could read the nuvexportrc file for the instructions. :) |
| [03:49:19] | tracy: | oh on nuvexport line? |
| [03:49:25] | tracy: | thanks |
| [03:49:43] | xris: | profile stuff in the latest version is extremely handy. |
| [03:51:13] | tracy: | not my day, think i am going to sleep and will try again tomorrow |
| [03:51:15] | tracy: | "[transcode] critical: invalid pcm parameter 'rate' for option -e" |
| [03:51:43] | xris: | lovely. sounds like they changed their api, too.. |
| [03:51:46] | xris: | along with everyone else. |
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| [03:52:18] | Speedy2: | Just wondering, anyone here using MythWeb with lighttpd? |
| [03:52:32] | Speedy2: | I read the Wiki that gave instructions on how to set it up. Just wondering if there were any issues with it. |
| [03:53:11] | xris: | Speedy2: I've heard of people doing it, but I don't exactly go out of my way to make it compatible |
| [03:53:45] | sphery: | xris: If you're looking for some quick, easy patches to close out some tickets, you might want to check out 2619, 2620, 2621, and 2627. |
| [03:54:07] | sphery: | None have been re-assigned to you, yet, and since they're mythtv (not mythweb), you probably haven't noticed them. :) |
| [03:54:20] | Speedy2: | xris: Would you consider making it "more possible" in the future? I know that it's easier from the dev. perspective to support one setup, but I'd like to get something really light weight for the httpd, didn't want to mess with apache. |
| [03:54:24] | sphery: | (I /think/ you're the Perl bindings guy, too, right?) |
| [03:54:45] | xris: | sphery: didn't even see them. they never got assigned to me. |
| [03:55:02] | xris: | Speedy2: apache isn't exactly a beast. |
| [03:55:16] | sphery: | Yeah. We nobody's can't assign when we create tickets and everyone with permissions has been busy for the last month or so. |
| [03:55:31] | xris: | I won't mind accepting patches, but barely have enough time to work on mythweb as it is.. setting up a separate system to run lighthttpd just isn't feasible |
| [03:55:41] | xris: | sphery: I'll add some targets. |
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| [03:55:50] | sphery: | Great idea. |
| [03:55:59] | xris: | oh, wait. there is. nuvexport/perl |
| [03:56:01] | xris: | going to rename it. |
| [03:56:07] | sphery: | Cool. |
| [03:56:37] | Speedy2: | xris: I've used a few things that have lighttpd and it's really good on memory. That's not to say apache is bad |
| [03:56:38] | sphery: | Didn't know that one applied to mythrename or bindings. |
| [03:56:53] | xris: | bindings are perl. heh |
| [03:57:14] | sphery: | Guess that's why they're called "Perl bindings"... |
| [03:57:58] | sphery: | The nuvexport part stopped me from choosing it. |
| [03:58:10] | xris: | will try to take a look at them tonight. |
| [03:58:12] | sphery: | Now I see it's an "or" slash. |
| [03:58:16] | sphery: | thx |
| [03:58:24] | tremb1: | i'm an ex-windows mce user. i installed knoppmyth on my media box and was unable to get it to recognise my tv card (which is an hauppauge nova-t usb2). i tried to follow the instructions on the wiki but no luck. i have a more linux savvy friend who had a go too, but he was too unfamiliar with the distribution to get anywhere. i was thinking of getting a more mainstream distribution for the machine. i use fedora core 6 on my main deskt |
| [03:58:36] | sphery: | they're not high priority, but figured it would be quicker than tracking them down/testing yourself. |
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| [03:58:52] | xris: | sphery: pinched a nerve in my neck yesterday.. I'm not so keen on doing much of anything today. |
| [03:59:05] | xris: | I still need to go through and clean up all of contrib. |
| [03:59:12] | xris: | and finish the perl bindings and get nuvexport to use them. |
| [03:59:17] | sphery: | Oh. Yeah. Relax then. More than anything, I just wanted to let you know they're there. |
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| [03:59:20] | xris: | then I can merge nuvexport back into the mythtv tree |
| [03:59:35] | sphery: | That will be nice. |
| [03:59:36] | xris: | yeah, thx for letting me know. I don't look at anything not assigned to me |
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| [04:00:09] | xris: | tremby: the general rule is "use what you're most familiar with" |
| [04:00:23] | sphery: | Yeah. I've noticed that--and you really shouldn't have to. Although, it would be nice if Trac allowed locking down some fields while allowing access to assign to. |
| [04:00:27] | xris: | knopmyth is debian (or ubuntu if he finally got the new version released). |
| [04:00:45] | Speedy2: | tremby: I don't know what the wiki says, but you might have to re-compile the kernel and setup the v4l dvb stuff |
| [04:00:57] | xris: | sphery: it might. I think isaac may have gotten tired of people assigning stuff to the wrong devs |
| [04:01:30] | tremby: | Speedy2: recompiling kernels is where i get scared and back out :) |
| [04:01:31] | sphery: | Oh. I thought he said that if he locked out the ones people were abusing it also locked out assign to. |
| [04:01:33] | xris: | tremby: atrpms packages for fedora are pretty well set up for most scenarios, though. and pretty sure he uses dvb in his own setup |
| [04:01:34] | tremby: | what's v4l? |
| [04:01:39] | sphery: | Video4Linux |
| [04:01:40] | xris: | sphery: that could be, too |
| [04:01:49] | Speedy2: | tremby: v4l == video 4 linux . Compiling the kernel is not bad. |
| [04:01:59] | sphery: | May have changed, though. It's been a while since I saw him talking about Trac. |
| [04:02:01] | Speedy2: | tremby: You should get experience with it now, it will come in handy |
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| [04:02:44] | GeekZoid: | how come i can change theb rightness with live tv |
| [04:02:50] | GeekZoid: | but not with prerecorded shows |
| [04:03:38] | sphery: | GeekZoid: F for changing in playback and G for changing in recordings |
| [04:03:55] | sphery: | Note, though, that changing on a recording is /per channel/, not for all channels. |
| [04:04:13] | GeekZoid: | yup |
| [04:04:18] | GeekZoid: | let me giveit a try |
| [04:04:28] | GeekZoid: | brb |
| [04:04:40] | tremby: | once i /do/ have mythtv working, is it possible to have media on network shares appear in the media browser? ideally it would all mount/unmount itself automatically — there are six machines in the house, each with music and video, and they're not always all switched on. |
| [04:04:43] | GeekZoid: | how do you change it permanently for all channels |
| [04:05:07] | sphery: | GeekZoid: If you want to change all channels, change one, then go to MythWeb's channel editor and use it to change brightness on all the others to the new value from the one you changed. |
| [04:05:28] | sphery: | That assumes you want the same value for all, which is probably a safe assumption. |
| [04:05:57] | sphery: | In addition to brightness, there's also contrast, color, and hue. |
| [04:05:59] | GeekZoid: | doesit set it for ivtv setting |
| [04:06:05] | sphery: | Using F or G cycles through the controls. |
| [04:06:10] | GeekZoid: | or is it just mythfrontend settings |
| [04:06:29] | sphery: | Using F is frontend (playback) picture controls |
| [04:06:38] | sphery: | Using G is backend (recorder) picture controls. |
| [04:06:45] | GeekZoid: | yes my picture controls are not working correctly |
| [04:06:53] | sphery: | In LiveTV, you can use G to adjust and see the results. |
| [04:06:55] | GeekZoid: | im using nvidia 7300 GT and it goes from 50% to -1 |
| [04:07:12] | GeekZoid: | any ideas what option i need on nvidia to allow picture controls? |
| [04:07:31] | sphery: | Yeah, the 7300 (anything in the 6, 7, and now 8 series GeForce models) don't support Xv playback picture controls. |
| [04:07:47] | GeekZoid: | that really sucks! |
| [04:08:06] | sphery: | They use a new pixel-shader based video output, so you have to wait for someone to write in support (Daniel is working on it) or write it yourself. ;) |
| [04:08:41] | GeekZoid: | hrm would be nice if i was an expert programmer im just a novice :) just know the structure of the language :) |
| [04:08:49] | sphery: | If you want playback picture controls, your best bet is a GF5200 (AGP) or GF5300 (PCIe) |
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| [04:09:05] | sphery: | Gotta start somewhere. ;) |
| [04:09:05] | GeekZoid: | how much is the 5300? |
| [04:09:17] | sphery: | I just bought a 5200 for $30 last night. |
| [04:09:20] | GeekZoid: | Lol i dont have time to learn how to program though either :( not enuff time for anything. |
| [04:09:32] | GeekZoid: | oh.. Well i guess ill just fix how it records live and wait |
| [04:09:36] | sphery: | 5300 is similar in price, but hard to come by (they didn't make too many). |
| [04:09:51] | GeekZoid: | Yes i have pCI express. |
| [04:10:05] | GeekZoid: | thank you for you rinput |
| [04:10:17] | GeekZoid: | another question its not my full screen... |
| [04:10:21] | sphery: | Probably a wise decision--by the time you come up to speed, it may be done alread, and you're likely to have plenty of other issues as you get started. |
| [04:10:35] | sphery: | Please describe, "not my full screen"... |
| [04:10:41] | GeekZoid: | oh its missing a bit of corners |
| [04:10:43] | defaultro: | hey folks, how do I remove the channels that I don't need anymore via mythfilldatabase? |
| [04:10:58] | GeekZoid: | i think its an x windows setting.. |
| [04:11:49] | GeekZoid: | sphery: one other question sometimes when i start my tv the soudn is messed up and its all crackly and i have to exit it and go back in to fix it |
| [04:12:01] | GeekZoid: | i think that might be an ivtv problem though. |
| [04:13:08] | sphery: | Enable "Extra audio buffering" in frontend playback settings (page 1, "General playback") |
| [04:13:30] | sphery: | Nice to see the Colonel finally got that promotion he deserved... |
| [04:13:42] | sphery: | (Sorry, I'm getting tired...) |
| [04:14:17] | GeekZoid: | sphery: it hink i tried that but i'll try again later |
| [04:14:22] | sphery: | Not full screen is probably an overscan issue. What display are you using? |
| [04:14:28] | GeekZoid: | tvout |
| [04:14:32] | GeekZoid: | my tv :) |
| [04:15:09] | quink: | gah. broken dependancies |
| [04:15:10] | quink: | yay |
| [04:15:12] | defaultro: | hey folks, which table does our zipcode gets stored too for mythweather? |
| [04:15:16] | sphery: | Your TV (assuming an NTSC/PAL TV) will overscan the signal so you shouldn't see the edges of the screen. |
| [04:15:30] | sphery: | But, with the NVIDIA drivers, you can enabled positive or negative overscan to compensate. |
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| [04:15:40] | sphery: | Sounds like you need to adjust the overscan. |
| [04:15:43] | GeekZoid: | oh ok |
| [04:15:44] | sphery: | Try nvidia-settings. |
| [04:15:48] | GeekZoid: | oh ok |
| [04:16:06] | GeekZoid: | darn its hard to read but let me see |
| [04:17:02] | quink: | libquicktime is going apeshit on me |
| [04:17:21] | GeekZoid: | ey |
| [04:17:29] | GeekZoid: | hey nvidia settinsg have brightness contrant and gamma :) |
| [04:18:20] | defaultro: | what gamma are you planning to use? |
| [04:18:30] | tremby: | do you guys have an answer to my question? timestamped 4 mins past |
| [04:18:44] | RyeBrye: | tremby, what question? |
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| [04:19:04] | tremby: | once i /do/ have mythtv working, is it possible to have media on network shares appear in the media browser? ideally it would all mount/unmount itself automatically — there are six machines in the house, each with music and video, and they're not always all switched on. |
| [04:19:24] | RyeBrye: | Yeah, you can |
| [04:19:34] | RyeBrye: | configuring it might be a pain in the ass, but you can do it |
| [04:19:41] | tremby: | how might i go about setting that up? |
| [04:19:57] | RyeBrye: | Do you have all your drives mounted now on the box yu will be installing myth? |
| [04:20:29] | tremby: | well i have knoppmyth at the moment, semi-working, but i'm gonna wipe it and put fedora or something on. i can mount all the shares no problem though |
| [04:20:34] | RyeBrye: | Yeah |
| [04:20:43] | RyeBrye: | Knoppmyth is wonky... It didn't even install for me |
| [04:20:57] | RyeBrye: | Fedora is a good choice for a Myth distro if you don't already have a favorite distro |
| [04:21:14] | tremby: | it's built on too old a version of debian for my buddy to troubleshoot for me, so it's gotta go haha |
| [04:21:18] | RyeBrye: | you know about this page, right: http://wilsonet.com/mythtv/fcmyth.php |
| [04:21:28] | ** defaultro bangs his head to the wall. Mythstream is so hard to configure ** | |
| [04:21:37] | tremby: | yeah, i think that's what i originally used. before i put windows mce on the box i followed that guide with fedora 4 |
| [04:21:44] | RyeBrye: | Yeah |
| [04:21:49] | RyeBrye: | It makes it a piece of cake |
| [04:21:50] | tremby: | i got stuck though, and was very very new to linux then |
| [04:22:10] | tremby: | but for the shares thing... i wouldn't know how to get it to mount the shares automatically when they become available |
| [04:22:16] | RyeBrye: | Oh |
| [04:22:16] | tremby: | what can i look up to learn about that? |
| [04:22:19] | RyeBrye: | Hmmm |
| [04:22:24] | RyeBrye: | I don't know |
| [04:22:29] | RyeBrye: | I'm not that experienced in shares |
| [04:22:37] | defaultro: | mount shares automatically? |
| [04:22:46] | defaultro: | what do you want to happen? |
| [04:22:49] | RyeBrye: | when the remote share becomes available, it sounds like |
| [04:23:01] | tremby: | yeah... there are six machines in this house, not always all on |
| [04:23:04] | defaultro: | k |
| [04:23:13] | tremby: | i want my housemates to be able to watch their stuff without getting me to type stuff in a command line for them |
| [04:23:37] | defaultro: | your housemates have their own machine? |
| [04:23:57] | tremby: | yeah, but not connected to the widescreen tv with surround sound and sofas... |
| [04:24:21] | defaultro: | so you want them to connect to your server? |
| [04:24:35] | defaultro: | i still don't get you |
| [04:24:43] | tremby: | no, other way around. i want them to go to the media browser, and all the media on all shares which are available at that time to show up |
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| [04:25:23] | tremby: | see what i'm getting at? |
| [04:25:30] | defaultro: | so when they turn on the machine, they will be able to see the shares on your machine |
| [04:25:44] | RyeBrye: | No – so when they turn on their machines, he will be able to see their crap on his server |
| [04:25:53] | tremby: | RyeBrye's got it |
| [04:26:04] | tremby: | without necessarily restarting the mythtv box |
| [04:26:11] | defaultro: | he is Tremby on that sentence right |
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| [04:26:29] | defaultro: | it's like this |
| [04:26:42] | defaultro: | so when housemates turn on their machines, Tremby will be able to see their crap on his server |
| [04:27:20] | defaultro: | however, tremby's machine is already turned on prior to housemate's machine |
| [04:27:47] | RyeBrye: | Your housemates run windows, right? |
| [04:27:48] | defaultro: | and you wanted to mount their share to your linux box right without having to tyupe manualy |
| [04:28:18] | defaultro: | well, I would do it this way. create a script and run it via cronjob |
| [04:28:32] | defaultro: | smbmount blah bla ..... |
| [04:28:36] | tremby: | let's put some facts in, to make it totally clear. we have desktop machines liz and chris (winxp, one machine is linux but no matter), then the mythtv box myth. if myth is on but liz and chris aren't, media in //liz/video and //chris/video shouldn't show up. but if liz then says, "i want to watch the oc, that's on my laptop", switches it on and comes back downstairs i want her videos to show up |
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| [04:28:53] | tremby: | oh yeah a cron job is an idea... |
| [04:29:13] | RyeBrye: | yeah |
| [04:29:31] | GeekZoid: | hey is sebry still therE? |
| [04:29:34] | RyeBrye: | or you could have her computer have some bash script that would ssh into your computer and mount the share from remote |
| [04:29:35] | defaultro: | you would have to check if their ip is on or not |
| [04:29:41] | RyeBrye: | so she would reverse-initaialize it |
| [04:29:45] | defaultro: | then if IP <> "" then sbmount it |
| [04:29:46] | GeekZoid: | does anyone know where i go to in mythweb to change all the channels to the same brightness/contrast |
| [04:29:55] | tremby: | RyeBrye if she weren't on windows xp that'd be an option |
| [04:30:10] | RyeBrye: | you could write it as a .bat file then, with some voodoo |
| [04:30:23] | RyeBrye: | or "upgrade" her OS to Fedora Core 6 |
| [04:30:31] | RyeBrye: | and turn compiz on |
| [04:30:35] | RyeBrye: | tell her it is Windows Vista |
| [04:30:47] | tremby: | oh man she would not take kindly. i tried to make her start using firefox but she won't have a word of it |
| [04:31:07] | RyeBrye: | Hm |
| [04:31:44] | tremby: | but a bat file really is dark magic. i think a cron job is the best idea i've heard — could ping them until they're available, every 5 mins or so, then if they're available mount it. if they're unavailable and "mounted", unmount. |
| [04:31:50] | RyeBrye: | yeah |
| [04:32:00] | defaultro: | i wish someone here is using mythstream :( |
| [04:32:05] | RyeBrye: | Sorry :( |
| [04:32:14] | tremby: | but how do i get all these different net shares into the myth browser? |
| [04:32:28] | defaultro: | i've been working on it for 4 hours now |
| [04:32:40] | defaultro: | it always says error starting player |
| [04:32:53] | defaultro: | i don't know how I got it working before |
| [04:33:11] | defaultro: | it does harvest the xml but when it starts to play it, it pukes |
| [04:33:47] | RyeBrye: | I'm guessing symlinks into a common directory and then set that directory as the path for the MythVideo page |
| [04:33:52] | RyeBrye: | I mean MythVideo plugin |
| [04:33:57] | RyeBrye: | and let it scan subdirectories |
| [04:34:18] | tremby: | RyeBrye, that sounds logical. shoulda thought of symlinks |
| [04:34:22] | RyeBrye: | It's okay |
| [04:34:28] | RyeBrye: | that's what IRc is for :) |
| [04:34:32] | tremby: | now, to install fedora 64 bit or 32? |
| [04:34:46] | defaultro: | doesnt matter |
| [04:34:48] | defaultro: | 32 is easier |
| [04:34:54] | tremby: | easier how? |
| [04:35:00] | defaultro: | libraries |
| [04:35:06] | defaultro: | compiling programs |
| [04:35:08] | tremby: | less downloading for me, as i already have the dvd, but if 64 bit would be beneficial i'll download it... |
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| [04:35:33] | defaultro: | well, folks here told me that there isn't much performacne advantage of 64 vs 32 |
| [04:35:44] | xris: | tremby: slightly faster. huge PITA to deal with multi-arch installs, though.. since you will ALWAYS need a 32 bit file here or there. |
| [04:35:50] | tremby: | i guess not for normal desktop and media tasks |
| [04:35:51] | defaultro: | it's just a thinking, HEY, I got 64 |
| [04:36:08] | tremby: | yeah probably right. |
| [04:36:17] | xris: | defaultro: noticeably faster for video encodes. not for much else. |
| [04:36:20] | defaultro: | i'm on Fc3 on 32 and i don't have issues playing hd and recording 2 hds at the same time |
| [04:36:23] | tremby: | oh is that so |
| [04:36:27] | defaultro: | hey xris |
| [04:36:34] | defaultro: | xris, do you use mythstream? |
| [04:36:50] | defaultro: | i've been banging my head for 4 or 5 hours |
| [04:36:53] | defaultro: | no luck |
| [04:36:59] | RyeBrye: | oh – fyi – if you have an i686 when you install FC6 make sure you check that the i686 kernel gets loaded and not the i586 kernel... (there's a well documented bug in anaconda) |
| [04:37:14] | tremby: | yeah the i586 got installed on the machine i'm using now |
| [04:37:23] | tremby: | someone took me through installing the i686 |
| [04:37:30] | xris: | defaultro: nope |
| [04:37:43] | tremby: | and it scared the shit out of me when i did the restart — grub had deleted linux from the startup menu and i thought it was screwed |
| [04:37:46] | defaultro: | np |
| [04:38:25] | tremby: | what's the likelihood of me getting a headache at some point when trying to get mythtv working if i go down the 64-bit route? |
| [04:44:59] | sphery: | defaultro: What's the mythstream issue? |
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| [04:48:55] | xris: | tremby: about 10% more likely than you getting a headache from just trying to install mythtv in general |
| [04:49:13] | defaultro: | hi sphery |
| [04:49:17] | sphery: | hey |
| [04:49:23] | defaultro: | sphery, I can't get it working |
| [04:49:26] | sphery: | I saw a few messages in the sb |
| [04:49:33] | sphery: | player won't start? |
| [04:49:38] | defaultro: | I can't play anything in the mythfrontend |
| [04:49:45] | defaultro: | different errors |
| [04:49:49] | defaultro: | sometimes it says that |
| [04:49:54] | sphery: | Is mplayer in the PATH of the user running mythfrontend |
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| [04:50:07] | defaultro: | this works manually, mplayer -cache 1000 mms://fm.martin.bitstop.ph/nu |
| [04:50:22] | defaultro: | how do i check that |
| [04:50:26] | defaultro: | i will try |
| [04:50:46] | defaultro: | yep, mythtv is able to run it |
| [04:50:50] | defaultro: | in the command line |
| [04:50:51] | sphery: | Who's running the frontend? a mythtv user? |
| [04:50:55] | defaultro: | mythtv |
| [04:50:57] | defaultro: | but here |
| [04:51:03] | defaultro: | maybe you can tell me if it's wrong |
| [04:51:03] | sphery: | Are you testing mplayer as MythTV? |
| [04:51:12] | defaultro: | testing? |
| [04:51:12] | sphery: | I mean as mythtv |
| [04:51:24] | sphery: | the line above mplayer -cache 1000 ... |
| [04:51:29] | defaultro: | yes |
| [04:51:32] | sphery: | OK. |
| [04:51:38] | defaultro: | su mythtv |
| [04:51:39] | sphery: | How do you start mythfrontend? |
| [04:51:41] | defaultro: | then mplayer ..... |
| [04:51:46] | sphery: | OK. Good. |
| [04:51:51] | defaultro: | just plain mythfronted |
| [04:52:00] | defaultro: | and --logfile /tmp/mythfrontend.log |
| [04:52:04] | sphery: | So, not from some init script or something? |
| [04:52:12] | defaultro: | a script i created |
| [04:52:22] | defaultro: | which is very simple .sh script |
| [04:52:24] | sphery: | What calls that script? |
| [04:52:34] | defaultro: | let me paste the line |
| [04:52:44] | defaultro: | DISPLAY=:0 /usr/local/bin/mythfrontend --logfile /video/mythfrontend.log |
| [04:52:48] | sphery: | I'm more interested in the environment than the script itself. |
| [04:53:04] | defaultro: | i was able to play it last week |
| [04:53:05] | sphery: | Why the DISPLAY=:0? Do you not have a DISPLAY in the environment? |
| [04:53:18] | defaultro: | however, I dropped the streams table |
| [04:53:29] | defaultro: | but playing a stream took me forvver |
| [04:53:34] | sphery: | The direction I'm headed is to see if the environment contains a proper PATH and HOME. |
| [04:53:39] | defaultro: | i don't think i have a PATH issue |
| [04:53:45] | sphery: | Without it mythstream won't work. |
| [04:53:45] | defaultro: | ok |
| [04:53:50] | sphery: | Need the HOME, too. |
| [04:53:58] | defaultro: | tell me what we need to echo |
| [04:54:02] | defaultro: | i'll execute it |
| [04:54:08] | defaultro: | then pastebin it |
| [04:54:22] | sphery: | So, if you use an init script to start X and X runs a script to start mythfrontend, you'll have a bad environment. |
| [04:54:34] | sphery: | Then, things won't work. |
| [04:54:55] | defaultro: | i don't remember putting X in a script |
| [04:55:00] | defaultro: | it's via inittab |
| [04:55:03] | sphery: | Also, can you do a test of mplayer after doing an "su – mythtv" or "sudo -u mythtv -i" |
| [04:55:10] | defaultro: | i just did |
| [04:55:11] | defaultro: | :D |
| [04:55:16] | defaultro: | i was able to play that song |
| [04:55:18] | defaultro: | that stream |
| [04:55:26] | sphery: | So, X is being started by init, which means you won't have a good environment. |
| [04:55:33] | defaultro: | k |
| [04:55:35] | sphery: | Are you using a system with GDM on it? |
| [04:55:39] | defaultro: | yes |
| [04:55:50] | sphery: | You might want to set up GDM to autologin mythtv |
| [04:55:56] | defaultro: | what ENV variable is mythstream looking form |
| [04:55:58] | defaultro: | it is |
| [04:56:08] | defaultro: | autologin is done |
| [04:56:14] | sphery: | OK. That should set up an environment. |
| [04:56:24] | sphery: | most important variables are HOME and PATH |
| [04:56:33] | sphery: | Don't know of others that would be important. |
| [04:56:41] | defaultro: | [mythtv@localhost root]$ echo $HOME |
| [04:56:41] | defaultro: | /home/mythtv |
| [04:56:53] | defaultro: | [mythtv@localhost root]$ echo $PATH |
| [04:56:53] | defaultro: | /usr/kerberos/sbin:/usr/kerberos/bin:/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/sbin:/bin:/ usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/usr/X11R6/bin:/root/bin |
| [04:57:05] | sphery: | OK. |
| [04:57:06] | defaultro: | everything is there |
| [04:57:32] | defaultro: | i think if i show you the streams table, you can tell if im wrong |
| [04:57:34] | sphery: | And those are from a "fresh" terminal (i.e. one in which you haven't done an "su" or "sudo") |
| [04:57:51] | sphery: | I can compare it to mine. |
| [04:57:52] | defaultro: | it's been on for 8 hours |
| [04:57:59] | defaultro: | ok, let me do a select |
| [04:59:00] | defaultro: | local, NU 107, mms://fm.martin.bitstop.ph/nu, NU 107 |
| [04:59:11] | defaultro: | harvest field is empty |
| [04:59:32] | defaultro: | i have another one |
| [04:59:37] | sphery: | Mine (a basic one) is at http://pastebin.ca/245623 |
| [04:59:56] | defaultro: | Music, ABC Dig Radio (WM), http://www.abc.net.au/dig/dig.asx, ABC Dig Radio – Windows Media stream, *apple |
| [04:59:59] | defaultro: | ok |
| [05:00:12] | sphery: | I don't do much with mythstream except listen to my favorite 'net radio station--X100 (from just across the state in Tampa, FL) |
| [05:00:20] | defaultro: | I will try that |
| [05:00:31] | defaultro: | it should work since it's internet based |
| [05:00:34] | defaultro: | I will insert yours |
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| [05:00:43] | sphery: | Sounds like a good test. |
| [05:00:45] | defaultro: | yep |
| [05:00:48] | defaultro: | one mine |
| [05:00:51] | defaultro: | one minute |
| [05:01:02] | sphery: | (And, if you like alternative genre, a great station.) |
| [05:01:24] | sphery: | Note that I'm not using a parser on that one (since it's the one station only). |
| [05:02:00] | defaultro: | ok |
| [05:02:03] | defaultro: | I added it |
| [05:02:05] | kash: | i don't get why tvtime gets sound but mythtv won't |
| [05:02:06] | kash: | :/ |
| [05:02:13] | defaultro: | I'm going to tail mythfrontend.log |
| [05:03:00] | sphery: | IIRC, the SHOUTcast – Alternative one should work, too. It uses a handler. (Just noticed there are two. Looks like I forgot to delete the old one when I added the orderby bitrate one.) |
| [05:03:14] | sphery: | thanks for helping me clean my database. |
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| [05:03:15] | defaultro: | sphery, it says in mythfrontend.log, error starting player |
| [05:03:33] | sphery: | Nothing more specific? |
| [05:03:37] | defaultro: | 2006-11–10 23:02:39.817 XMLParse::LoadTheme using /usr/local/share/mythtv/themes/default-wide/stream-ui.xml |
| [05:03:50] | defaultro: | then the error starting player |
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| [05:04:20] | sphery: | Hmmm. |
| [05:04:26] | defaultro: | on the mythfrontend, right after selecting CNN that I copied from you, it showed failed |
| [05:04:30] | kash: | what could it be that tvtime does that mythtv doesn't? |
| [05:04:33] | defaultro: | and I do have an internet connection |
| [05:04:44] | defaultro: | coz I was able to play the other stream via the command line |
| [05:04:47] | sphery: | I've never tried CNN. Think that was one of the defaults. |
| [05:05:02] | defaultro: | tell me which one of your list works |
| [05:05:05] | sphery: | kash: what kind of capture card. |
| [05:05:07] | defaultro: | I'll add again |
| [05:05:12] | kash: | sphery: saa7130 |
| [05:05:18] | sphery: | X100 or Shoutcast – Alternative should |
| [05:05:30] | defaultro: | ok |
| [05:05:37] | sphery: | kash: you need to use v4lctl to unmute your card on every channel change |
| [05:05:48] | kash: | :o |
| [05:05:54] | kash: | i can't get xawtv compiled though |
| [05:06:11] | kash: | hm |
| [05:06:14] | kash: | thanks for the hint though :) |
| [05:06:38] | sphery: | There might be another way... |
| [05:06:40] | sphery: | One minute. |
| [05:06:49] | defaultro: | I'm going to try shoutcast now, 1 min brb |
| [05:06:54] | kash: | nah i'll build using a slackbuild |
| [05:07:11] | GeekZoid: | what would cause mythtv not to beable to set recordings? |
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| [05:07:51] | defaultro: | it showed this |
| [05:07:52] | defaultro: | 2006-11–10 23:07:15.786 XMLParse::LoadTheme using /usr/local/share/mythtv/themes/default-wide/stream-ui.xml |
| [05:07:53] | defaultro: | error starting player |
| [05:07:54] | defaultro: | but |
| [05:08:00] | defaultro: | it was able to harvest |
| [05:08:10] | defaultro: | I saw a list on the screen |
| [05:08:19] | defaultro: | resulting parser: /home/mythtv/.mythtv/mythstream/parsers/shoutcast.pl workdir: /home/mythtv/.mythtv/mythstream/parsers/ |
| [05:08:52] | defaultro: | sphery, should I just select any from the list? |
| [05:10:02] | GeekZoid: | hey all |
| [05:10:21] | GeekZoid: | what would cause mythtv not to be able to schedule a recording i try to schedule one but it doesnt get set |
| [05:10:27] | GeekZoid: | how would i debug the issue? |
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| [05:10:36] | defaultro: | logfile it |
| [05:10:56] | defaultro: | both for back and frontend |
| [05:10:59] | sphery: | GeekZoid: you have an error in the connection of inputs to video sources |
| [05:11:08] | defaultro: | sphery, did you see my messages? |
| [05:11:11] | sphery: | mythtv-setup, input connections |
| [05:11:15] | sphery: | defaultro: yep. |
| [05:11:22] | sphery: | Still looking for a setting for kash |
| [05:11:23] | defaultro: | I saw the list |
| [05:11:24] | GeekZoid: | sphery: hmm it was working previously. |
| [05:11:34] | defaultro: | kash? |
| [05:11:41] | sphery: | other guy in the channel |
| [05:11:45] | defaultro: | ok |
| [05:11:46] | sphery: | GeekZoid: change anything? |
| [05:11:49] | GeekZoid: | no |
| [05:11:52] | GeekZoid: | nothing. |
| [05:11:57] | GeekZoid: | it just stopped working |
| [05:11:57] | defaultro: | are those list playable though? I press enter and nothing happens |
| [05:12:05] | GeekZoid: | i get an error message |
| [05:12:11] | sphery: | Been a while since I used the shoutcast ones. |
| [05:12:20] | defaultro: | k |
| [05:12:40] | sphery: | The only one I'm sure of (because I've been using it pretty much daily for months) is the X100 one (which doesn't parse anything--it just goes directly to the station). |
| [05:12:49] | GeekZoid: | 2006-11–11 00:12:44.969 MythSocket(6e68e0:-1): writeStringList: Error, socket went unconnected. |
| [05:12:53] | GeekZoid: | thats the error messagei get |
| [05:12:56] | defaultro: | i'll try that one now |
| [05:13:09] | sphery: | GeekZoid: that's probably different, then. |
| [05:13:25] | GeekZoid: | is it database corruption/ which table does it use for recorded shows? |
| [05:13:30] | GeekZoid: | show i reset my db? |
| [05:13:37] | sphery: | What version of Myth are you using? |
| [05:13:41] | GeekZoid: | 0.20 fixes |
| [05:13:47] | sphery: | There was an issue with sockets in 0.19. |
| [05:13:49] | sphery: | OK. |
| [05:13:58] | GeekZoid: | 0.20.20060828–3 |
| [05:14:27] | sphery: | Have you rebooted the system recently (in case of a resource leak)? |
| [05:14:32] | GeekZoid: | hmm |
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| [05:14:42] | GeekZoid: | its been up for 22 hours |
| [05:15:26] | defaultro: | I added X100 and it failed quickly |
| [05:15:34] | defaultro: | 2006-11–10 23:14:48.754 XMLParse::LoadTheme using /usr/local/share/mythtv/themes/default-wide/stream-ui.xml |
| [05:15:35] | defaultro: | error starting player |
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| [05:17:10] | GeekZoid: | any ideas |
| [05:17:13] | GeekZoid: | i guess i'll tryrebooting |
| [05:17:19] | defaultro: | sphery, http://pastebin.ca/245634 |
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| [05:18:53] | kash: | sphery: got xawtv working |
| [05:18:56] | kash: | what's the unmute command |
| [05:20:59] | sphery: | kash: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/204079#204079 |
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| [05:21:45] | kash: | holy cow |
| [05:21:46] | kash: | it works |
| [05:21:47] | kash: | :O |
| [05:21:50] | kash: | thanks man! :D |
| [05:22:02] | sphery: | You using the tuner on it or S-Video/Composite? |
| [05:22:07] | kash: | S-Vid |
| [05:22:17] | sphery: | Good, then just put that command in your channel change script. |
| [05:22:34] | kash: | erm.. there's a 'ghost' audio |
| [05:22:35] | kash: | :/ |
| [05:22:42] | kash: | like.. the mythtv sound and then an echo |
| [05:23:02] | sphery: | You're probably listening to the audio real-time. |
| [05:23:19] | sphery: | See http://mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-7.html |
| [05:24:06] | sphery: | There's also a setting (but I don't know where or what version) that says to not set the volume of the card. I think you can also use this so you don't have to use the v4lctl. |
| [05:24:32] | sphery: | Also, here's a slightly modified version of the command--just in case it's better: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/153008#153008 |
| [05:25:06] | sphery: | Found the setting... |
| [05:25:59] | sphery: | "Do not adjust volume" in mythtv-setup |
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| [05:26:20] | kash: | i'm using OSS |
| [05:26:54] | sphery: | All capture id done with OSS API. |
| [05:27:16] | sphery: | Seems that setting is only usable with DVB cards, though, so you'll need to use the v4lctl hack. |
| [05:27:38] | rtsai: | anyone else using mythtranscode? It seems to consistently lose the last few minutes of the ends of recordings |
| [05:28:31] | kash: | where do i put the hack though |
| [05:29:08] | sphery: | Also, kash, if you're compiling yourself, you can apply the patch at http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/2238, or update to SVN trunk post Oct 1 . |
| [05:29:15] | sphery: | (which has the patch) |
| [05:29:27] | sphery: | You just need to put it in your channel change script. |
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| [05:29:43] | sphery: | Since you're using S-Video, I'm assuming you're using LIRC to change channels? |
| [05:29:53] | kash: | no |
| [05:29:58] | kash: | just the keyboard |
| [05:30:00] | kash: | i lost my remote |
| [05:30:18] | sphery: | I mean on a set-top box |
| [05:30:34] | sphery: | How are you getting TV stations into Myth? |
| [05:30:42] | sphery: | signals, whatever |
| [05:30:43] | kash: | satellite |
| [05:30:50] | kash: | directv box -> svid -> tuner |
| [05:30:53] | sphery: | OK. |
| [05:31:07] | sphery: | How are you changing channels on the DirecTV box? LIRC or serial control? |
| [05:31:16] | kash: | just with the remote |
| [05:31:20] | kash: | it doesn't have a serial port |
| [05:31:22] | sphery: | The DirecTV remote? |
| [05:31:28] | kash: | and i don't have a blaster |
| [05:31:28] | kash: | yes |
| [05:31:56] | sphery: | Well, to make Myth work, you'll have to get an IR transmitter (for one receiver) or an IR blaster (for one or more receivers). |
| [05:32:19] | sphery: | When you do, you'll have to have a script that sends the appropriate LIRC commands to send the channel change to the DirecTV receiver. |
| [05:32:26] | kash: | i have an IR receiver for my system.. can it send out? |
| [05:32:37] | sphery: | When you do, just add the v4lctl line in there. |
| [05:32:42] | sphery: | Did you compile Myth? |
| [05:32:45] | kash: | yes |
| [05:32:59] | sphery: | Then, you could just apply the patch at http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/2238 |
| [05:33:12] | kash: | it's fine |
| [05:33:12] | sphery: | It should fix the issue without the v4lctl hack. |
| [05:33:17] | kash: | not a big deal |
| [05:33:26] | sphery: | But, you'll still need to get an IR transmitter/blaster, or Myth won't work right. |
| [05:33:30] | kash: | the ghost is still there, though |
| [05:33:37] | kash: | sphery: once again, not a problem |
| [05:33:38] | kash: | :p |
| [05:33:53] | kash: | i know it won't, but it's like using a TV with a settop box |
| [05:33:56] | sphery: | You adjusted the audio as described in the HOWTO? |
| [05:34:06] | kash: | just leave it on one channel and do the stuff via settop |
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| [05:34:15] | kash: | well, that's ALSA.. and i dunno how to do it in OSS |
| [05:34:37] | sphery: | OSS doesn't actually exist on your system. |
| [05:34:45] | kash: | yeah it does |
| [05:34:47] | kash: | www.opensound.com |
| [05:34:53] | sphery: | You actually installed that? |
| [05:34:59] | kash: | erm, yea |
| [05:35:03] | sphery: | Why? |
| [05:35:05] | kash: | ALSA drivers for my card suck |
| [05:35:07] | kash: | that's why |
| [05:35:09] | sphery: | Oh. |
| [05:35:18] | kash: | OSS has top-notch drivers for it |
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| [05:35:41] | sphery: | Well, the information at the link is correct. You just have to translate the commands to be appropriate for your OSS audio apps. |
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| [05:35:56] | sphery: | Basically, you need to mute the line-in |
| [05:36:00] | dave_: | hi |
| [05:36:04] | sphery: | hi |
| [05:36:05] | ** dave_ sighs ** | |
| [05:36:08] | dave_: | I'm getting this darn error message and it wont let me record. |
| [05:36:11] | kash: | hm |
| [05:36:16] | dave_: | MythSocket(66e6f0:-1): writeStringList: Error, socket went unconnected. |
| [05:36:48] | sphery: | dave_: are you GeekZoid from before? |
| [05:36:50] | dave_: | yup |
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| [05:37:12] | sphery: | OK. Was about to tell you--just before you logged off--that that is not the cause of the problem. |
| [05:37:17] | EnterUserName: | i tried rebooting resetting the input devices. |
| [05:37:30] | EnterUserName: | hmm |
| [05:37:30] | sphery: | The issue is elsewhere--that message is quite common now. |
| [05:37:44] | EnterUserName: | oh it only happens when i try to schedule a record(that error message) |
| [05:37:56] | EnterUserName: | i tried doing a mass repair on allt ables |
| [05:38:00] | EnterUserName: | that didnt fix it either |
| [05:38:34] | EnterUserName: | dont tell me i have to reset my db :( |
| [05:39:01] | sphery: | I still think that's a harmless message (lots of people on the list have mentioned seeing it recently and said it doesn't seem to affect anything). |
| [05:39:20] | EnterUserName: | well this is weird i did a mythbackend --printsched |
| [05:39:20] | sphery: | You can't schedule any recordings on any channels? |
| [05:39:27] | EnterUserName: | and all my schedules are there |
| [05:39:36] | EnterUserName: | but when i go fromt he mythfrontend it says no recordings foudn |
| [05:39:43] | sphery: | What version of myth (did I already ask you)? |
| [05:39:52] | EnterUserName: | yup. ok here's the problem |
| [05:39:59] | sphery: | two databases? |
| [05:40:09] | EnterUserName: | mythbackend --printschedule shows all the proper scheduling |
| [05:40:19] | EnterUserName: | when i run mythfrontend it shows no upcoming recording |
| [05:40:23] | EnterUserName: | and i cant schedule any new ones |
| [05:41:03] | sphery: | in 0.20-fixes? |
| [05:41:06] | EnterUserName: | yup |
| [05:41:08] | EnterUserName: | svn |
| [05:41:16] | sphery: | Remote frontend? |
| [05:41:20] | EnterUserName: | nope same system |
| [05:41:30] | EnterUserName: | did implement mythwe |
| [05:41:34] | EnterUserName: | erk mythweb on another system |
| [05:41:46] | sphery: | Shouldn't affect anything... |
| [05:43:51] | kash: | ahh fixed it :D |
| [05:43:58] | kash: | it was the most unobvious mixer control |
| [05:44:02] | EnterUserName: | so what should i do |
| [05:44:08] | EnterUserName: | reset my db and reinstlal? |
| [05:44:26] | EnterUserName: | Unexpected response to MYTH_PROTO_VERSION: |
| [05:44:35] | sphery: | Don't think you need to go that far. |
| [05:44:53] | sphery: | Did you just upgrade from 0.19? |
| [05:44:56] | EnterUserName: | no |
| [05:45:02] | EnterUserName: | everything was working fine... |
| [05:45:12] | EnterUserName: | i started from 0.20 fixes from scratch |
| [05:45:17] | EnterUserName: | and it just stopped working |
| [05:45:18] | sphery: | Have you ever had a previous version of Myth on the system? |
| [05:45:21] | EnterUserName: | yes |
| [05:45:25] | EnterUserName: | but i reinstalled |
| [05:45:55] | sphery: | OK, so the unexpected response to MYTH_PROTO_VERSION can occur either because of running differing versions of myth components |
| [05:46:04] | EnterUserName: | hmm |
| [05:46:10] | sphery: | or because of socket errors |
| [05:46:19] | sphery: | For you, it could be either. |
| [05:46:28] | EnterUserName: | i dont think so i dropped the database |
| [05:46:29] | sphery: | The message you're getting is happening to a lot of people. |
| [05:46:37] | sphery: | So it's not necessarily a problem. |
| [05:46:40] | EnterUserName: | drop database mythconverg; |
| [05:46:49] | EnterUserName: | then i reinstalled and used svn 0.20 |
| [05:47:25] | kash: | well, night. |
| [05:47:31] | sphery: | SVN 0.20 = 0.20-fixes? |
| [05:47:34] | EnterUserName: | yup |
| [05:47:39] | sphery: | or 0.20 SVN trunk |
| [05:47:48] | sphery: | You compiledit? |
| [05:47:59] | EnterUserName: | umm.. no 0.20 fixes |
| [05:48:22] | sphery: | OK, but from your compiling or from a package? |
| [05:48:32] | EnterUserName: | i compiled |
| [05:48:34] | sphery: | Did you compile the previous version? |
| [05:48:43] | EnterUserName: | the version before this? |
| [05:48:46] | sphery: | Yeah. |
| [05:48:51] | EnterUserName: | yes. |
| [05:48:56] | EnterUserName: | Before i was running regular SVN |
| [05:48:59] | EnterUserName: | i think |
| [05:49:02] | EnterUserName: | so i droped the database |
| [05:49:08] | EnterUserName: | and everythign was running fine for about 2 weeks |
| [05:49:27] | sphery: | Basically if you install from a package, it generally puts things in /usr, but if you compile yourself, it puts things in /usr/local (unless you change the PREFIX yourself) |
| [05:49:33] | EnterUserName: | yup |
| [05:49:36] | EnterUserName: | everything is in /usr/local |
| [05:49:43] | sphery: | So, if you have stuff in /usr and /usr/local/, you can have an issue with MYTH_PROTO_VERSION |
| [05:50:13] | EnterUserName: | ya there's nothing in /usr/bin |
| [05:50:18] | EnterUserName: | i did a ls /usr/bin/myth* |
| [05:50:19] | sphery: | OK. |
| [05:50:53] | sphery: | and ls /usr/lib/libmyth* is also empty? |
| [05:51:03] | EnterUserName: | hmm |
| [05:51:06] | EnterUserName: | maybe thats whats happening |
| [05:51:14] | EnterUserName: | maybe the old svnl ibraries |
| [05:51:19] | EnterUserName: | in /usr/local is causing the problem? |
| [05:51:41] | sphery: | But if you installed again, they should have been replaced. |
| [05:51:50] | EnterUserName: | oh ok |
| [05:51:57] | EnterUserName: | well none in /usr/lib/libmyth |
| [05:52:09] | sphery: | (Unless you're talking about 0.19 ones, which shouldn't be used, but are definitely unnecessary, so you could delete them) |
| [05:52:32] | EnterUserName: | libmythtv-0.20.so |
| [05:52:32] | EnterUserName: | libmythtv-0.20.so.0 |
| [05:52:32] | EnterUserName: | libmythtv-0.20.so.0.20 |
| [05:52:34] | EnterUserName: | for example |
| [05:52:44] | sphery: | those are correct |
| [05:52:57] | sphery: | libmythtv-0.19* is unnecessary |
| [05:53:11] | EnterUserName: | ya i havent used 0.19 since reinstalling the os:) |
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| [05:53:13] | EnterUserName: | so tis clean |
| [05:53:16] | sphery: | OK. |
| [05:53:22] | sphery: | No problems with libs, thne. |
| [05:53:47] | sphery: | You're not running SELinux, are you? |
| [05:53:59] | EnterUserName: | shouldn't be im using suse |
| [05:54:01] | EnterUserName: | let me see |
| [05:54:10] | sphery: | I think the security enhancements cause problems. |
| [05:54:49] | EnterUserName: | Sphery; the wierd thing is, is that everything was running fien |
| [05:54:51] | EnterUserName: | previously |
| [05:54:58] | EnterUserName: | with the same setup i have now |
| [05:55:09] | EnterUserName: | i thought it was database corruption |
| [05:55:17] | EnterUserName: | so i did a mysql -o -f *.MYI |
| [05:55:24] | EnterUserName: | but it didnt work (cuz i had a few unclean reboots) |
| [05:55:44] | EnterUserName: | but if that were the case would mythbackend --printsched work? |
| [05:56:21] | EnterUserName: | hmm now its not workign ;( |
| [05:56:22] | EnterUserName: | bah |
| [05:56:23] | sphery: | Shouldn't cause issues. |
| [05:56:36] | EnterUserName: | i think it got erased cuz i reset the input devices |
| [05:56:47] | sphery: | What happens when you run optimize_mythdb.pl (from the contrib directory)? |
| [05:56:52] | EnterUserName: | but its still not schedulign recording.. let me try |
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| [05:56:57] | sphery: | Yeah, that would change things. |
| [05:57:07] | EnterUserName: | I did that to try and fix it :) |
| [05:57:16] | sphery: | My recommendation is to use the "Delete All" button to delete video sources |
| [05:57:26] | sphery: | That will delete input connections and channels. |
| [05:57:27] | EnterUserName: | sphery: i tried that |
| [05:57:31] | EnterUserName: | but i'll do it again |
| [05:57:36] | sphery: | With the Delete All button? |
| [05:57:42] | sphery: | Otherwise, deleting is useless. |
| [05:57:43] | EnterUserName: | hmm from input collections |
| [05:57:50] | EnterUserName: | i deleted all my video sources |
| [05:57:51] | sphery: | Delete All from video sources |
| [05:57:56] | EnterUserName: | and reinstalled video sources |
| [05:57:57] | sphery: | then re-create video sources |
| [05:58:02] | sphery: | Then input connections |
| [05:58:10] | EnterUserName: | ya i think i did that.. |
| [05:58:32] | sphery: | THen channels (using "Retrieve channels from listings provider" for analog channels or using a channel scan for digital channels) |
| [05:59:05] | sphery: | That will fix issues with input connections (assuming you choose the right values this time through), but probably won't change the socket thing. |
| [05:59:22] | sphery: | If the socket thing is actually causing issues, I don't know how to fix it. |
| [05:59:24] | EnterUserName: | ok |
| [05:59:36] | sphery: | I'll leave you to work on it. |
| [05:59:43] | EnterUserName: | ok.. if this doesnt work |
| [05:59:49] | EnterUserName: | should i reset everything and start from scratch? |
| [06:00:00] | sphery: | I have to go up in the attic and run some cat-5 cable for my new myth setups (going to split frontend/backend for an HDTV upgrade). |
| [06:00:14] | sphery: | You could try, but I don't know that it will help. |
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| [06:00:49] | defaultro: | sphery, it's working now |
| [06:00:49] | sphery: | If you have a good backup of the database (make sure you run optimize_mythdb.pl from the contrib directory before backing up), it can't hurt to try. |
| [06:00:52] | defaultro: | FREAK!!!!!! |
| [06:00:55] | sphery: | defaultro: what was it? |
| [06:01:01] | defaultro: | i got so tired for 7 hours |
| [06:01:05] | defaultro: | it's player.xml |
| [06:01:10] | defaultro: | i added /usr/local/bin |
| [06:01:13] | defaultro: | grrrrrrrrr |
| [06:01:39] | defaultro: | don't know why it's not able to run it |
| [06:01:46] | defaultro: | when it was only mplayer |
| [06:02:04] | sphery: | Added that to the value for player (i.e /usr/local/bin/mplayer)? |
| [06:02:13] | sphery: | It's the PATH issue. |
| [06:02:23] | sphery: | Don't know why you don't have a valid PATH. |
| [06:03:21] | sphery: | The tests we ran were somehow "corrupted" by something we did, so it looked like a good environment. |
| [06:03:27] | sphery: | Anyway, glad it's working. |
| [06:03:55] | sphery: | Just make sure you also include the /usr/local/bin/ in the mythfilldatabase path in mythfrontend settings. :) |
| [06:11:29] | defaultro: | sphery, yeah, looks like PATH issue but it's very weird |
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| [06:11:57] | defaultro: | ah, i can verify the path issue |
| [06:12:23] | defaultro: | by the way, can we play apple trailers? |
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| [08:12:57] | senorprog: | Xserver question and mythtv: after i log in as my mythtv user, can't launch any apps from the gui. click Terminal, cursor spins for a bit and then nothing happens. seems like it can't launch the app window. |
| [08:12:58] | senorprog: | anyone know where i'd look to find out which error is occurring? |
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| [08:18:14] | impulze: | how would i redirect output from mythtv to the s-video out of my video card? |
| [08:20:05] | juski: | impulze: depends on your video card. if you have a nvidia card, install the nvidia binary drivers if not already installed & configure your xorg.conf to use the card's TV output |
| [08:20:30] | impulze: | well then everything will be redirected to that tv-out |
| [08:20:38] | impulze: | i just want to watch movies on that tv-out |
| [08:20:54] | juski: | so you need to have a card which can do dual desktop |
| [08:21:09] | impulze: | it did it within windows :) so i think it's capable of that |
| [08:21:13] | impulze: | just not sure what to configure where |
| [08:21:46] | juski: | http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Dual_Monitors |
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| [08:21:56] | impulze: | thanks |
| [08:22:38] | juski: | it's for gentoo but since xorg is pretty generic it should work on your distro |
| [08:22:58] | juski: | funny that googling for 'linux dual desktop' finds answers like that ;) |
| [08:23:09] | impulze: | it's gentoo i'm using anyway |
| [08:23:23] | impulze: | i don't even know that it's called dual desktop :P |
| [08:23:25] | Dagmar: | Yeah, it's pretty amazing how search engines come up with answers to questions |
| [08:24:19] | impulze: | it's generally hard to search for smth when you don't know what it's called :) |
| [08:24:57] | juski: | that's true |
| [08:25:01] | Dagmar: | I don't have any problems |
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| [08:25:44] | impulze: | as far as i can tell from that website it's the "Non TwinView" setup i'm looking for, right? |
| [08:25:59] | Dagmar: | You do one search, you get close, you read what it says and you maybe learn a new word or two |
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| [08:29:34] | quink: | i thought mythweb .20 had streaming built in? |
| [08:31:06] | juski: | you thought wrong then |
| [08:32:09] | quink: | so does mythstreamtv work with .20 still? |
| [08:32:34] | juski: | yes, it's been patched apparently |
| [08:33:19] | quink: | i think its silly to have mythtv this far along but no 'builtin' streaming yet. |
| [08:33:56] | Dagmar: | Well, I suppose it's just a matter of getting someone to write a GNU autotools harness to add it to mythplugins |
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| [08:34:48] | juski: | hey some people might not care a rat's ass about streaming |
| [08:34:51] | juski: | ;) |
| [08:35:39] | juski: | actually I'm concerned by some activity on the -dev mailing list. some more options coming to the OSD menu.. like there aren't already enough in that list :( |
| [08:35:59] | juski: | new features, great! more menu options == bad |
| [08:40:05] | Dagmar: | So long as they don't add an "Order A Pizza" option |
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| [08:40:37] | robbins876: | they should add a "Put computer into standby" option |
| [08:40:59] | juski: | they should not put any more stuff into the OSD menu.. it's getting out of hand |
| [08:41:14] | juski: | or at least give users the option to disable stuff |
| [08:41:20] | robbins876: | i think the standby thing wouldn't be a bad addition |
| [08:41:44] | juski: | robbins876: and if the machine is a backend? whoops |
| [08:42:03] | robbins876: | be that as it may, it should still be an option |
| [08:42:19] | robbins876: | so i don't have to get up to turn off my monitor every night when i want to go to sleep |
| [08:42:19] | juski: | hey mythtv is open source.. someone could add it themselves |
| [08:42:32] | robbins876: | i dont' know anything about writing code |
| [08:42:40] | juski: | so shut up then ;) |
| [08:42:47] | robbins876: | you shut up! |
| [08:43:04] | Dagmar: | You stfu |
| [08:43:23] | juski: | almos a 'goodfellas' moment there... |
| [08:43:25] | Dagmar: | The smart option would be to simply make that feature a "power off" function for the frontend |
| [08:43:33] | Dagmar: | Like normal devices |
| [08:43:52] | robbins876: | correct, but my frontend is also my backend |
| [08:44:07] | Dagmar: | TiVo and Replay don't shut themselves off, or have a "suspend mode" option. |
| [08:44:08] | juski: | thing is, there's something of a dichtomy between mythtv becoming 'appliance-like' and keeping all of its varied functionality |
| [08:44:16] | Dagmar: | You tell them to turn off, and they go into suspend/low_power mode |
| [08:44:25] | Dagmar: | Yep |
| [08:44:27] | Dagmar: | This is very true |
| [08:44:35] | robbins876: | i just wnat my monitor to shut off with the remote |
| [08:44:46] | juski: | robbins876: that's covered in the wiki |
| [08:44:52] | robbins876: | really? what wiki? |
| [08:44:56] | juski: | the mythtv wiki |
| [08:45:11] | robbins876: | you're making that up |
| [08:45:18] | juski: | and it comes up on the -users mailing list about every five minutes, next after "where's the 'any' key?" |
| [08:45:40] | robbins876: | where in the wiki? |
| [08:47:19] | Dagmar: | Here's one hack http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Change_Power_Button_Action |
| [08:47:29] | juski: | whoops.. maybe not in the wiki (maybe I did see it there) but it's definitely here: http://wilsonet.com/mythtv/tips.php |
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| [09:01:07] | kraut: | moin |
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| [10:04:33] | octan: | anyone got some news on tv_grap_no? |
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| [10:34:11] | octan: | any norwegian in here? |
| [10:35:04] | juski: | this is coming on some.. www.juski.co.uk/new6.png :) |
| [10:36:52] | juski: | octan: there aren't many people awake this morning let alone people from norway |
| [10:37:12] | juski: | what sort of problem are you having with tv_grab_no ? |
| [10:37:15] | octan: | dude,, its almoust midday |
| [10:37:34] | octan: | tv_grab_no stoped working for 1 month ago |
| [10:38:00] | juski: | well, the pages it scrapes from have probably changed which is what broke the grabber |
| [10:38:26] | juski: | you could try seeing if there's a newer tv_grab_no in the cvs of xmltv |
| [10:38:40] | octan: | oh.. got a link |
| [10:39:33] | juski: | http://sourceforge.net/projects/xmltv |
| [10:39:56] | octan: | ok.. thanks.. gonna take a look |
| [10:40:07] | juski: | oh wait... even the cvs version has not changed for 7 months |
| [10:40:16] | juski: | http://xmltv.cvs.sourceforge.net/xmltv/xmltv/grab/no/ |
| [10:40:32] | juski: | looks like it's not getting any love |
| [10:40:54] | juski: | email the xmltv users mailing list & see if there's anybody who can fix it |
| [10:41:38] | octan: | OMG.. its 7 mounths since it was updated |
| [10:41:47] | octan: | i'll do that |
| [10:42:15] | juski: | page scraping is messy & often breaks like this |
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| [10:48:54] | timo90: | Hi i wanted to play music and video with myth tv ( i dont have a data base it keeps asking for) will it work with out that ? |
| [10:50:06] | juski: | nope |
| [10:50:27] | juski: | go see geexbox |
| [10:51:08] | timo90: | cheers :) |
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| [10:54:42] | impulze: | ok i got my two screen set up |
| [10:54:55] | impulze: | now i need to tell mythtv to display it's output to DISPLAY 1 |
| [10:55:05] | impulze: | how would i do that without specificing it during startup? |
| [10:55:22] | impulze: | like i want to control mythtv on display 0 but show it on display 1 |
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| [12:18:03] | fryfrog: | impulze: I'm not quite sure if that is possible :/ |
| [12:18:19] | fryfrog: | impulze: you mean, tv goes on display 0, and the GUI is on display 1? |
| [12:18:30] | impulze: | well |
| [12:18:46] | impulze: | display 0 is the gui and display 1 is the movie/dvb output |
| [12:18:59] | impulze: | i want to control from desktop but view on TV |
| [12:19:05] | fryfrog: | hummm |
| [12:19:15] | fryfrog: | could you make the tv and desktop clones? |
| [12:19:26] | fryfrog: | or do you want to be able to watch tv *and* work on your desktop? |
| [12:19:30] | impulze: | yes |
| [12:19:33] | impulze: | work and watch ;) |
| [12:19:56] | fryfrog: | I *think* what I would do is setup two X servers, one on each display. |
| [12:20:06] | fryfrog: | I'd run mythfrontend on the one hooked to TV |
| [12:20:10] | impulze: | did that |
| [12:20:12] | fryfrog: | and do normal stuff on the other |
| [12:20:13] | fryfrog: | ah :/ |
| [12:20:18] | fryfrog: | now you want one desktop? |
| [12:20:22] | impulze: | i don't have twinview, rather 2 devices,screens and monitor sections in xorg.conf |
| [12:22:38] | Dagmar: | I suspect fryfrog is probably right. |
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| [12:23:17] | Dagmar: | It can be a hassle figuring out which mode one should go in, and half the time I wind up doing both before I settle on one or the other mechanism (twinview/clone, or multiple servers) |
| [12:23:58] | Dagmar: | Thankfully trying to span one display across both monitors with Xinerama usually shows itself to be a bad idea very quickly. ;) |
| [12:24:34] | impulze: | that's bad |
| [12:24:42] | Dagmar: | eh? |
| [12:24:48] | impulze: | <Dagmar> I suspect fryfrog is probably right. |
| [12:24:50] | impulze: | related to that ;) |
| [12:24:53] | Dagmar: | lol |
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| [12:25:15] | impulze: | is it hard to implement it to behave like that? |
| [12:25:23] | impulze: | or why isn't that possible for now? |
| [12:25:35] | fryfrog: | It strikes me as hard, but only because i've never tried |
| [12:25:37] | fryfrog: | sorry :( |
| [12:25:43] | fryfrog: | I"m just guessing it how I'd achieve it |
| [12:25:54] | Dagmar: | impulze: It's "bitchy", basically. |
| [12:26:00] | impulze: | means? |
| [12:26:23] | impulze: | since i don't want mouse or anything else on the tv |
| [12:26:32] | Dagmar: | It's still not all that common for developers to have multiple monitors, so the "ease" by which one uses multiple monitors is still a bit like trying to put both shoes on at the exact same time |
| [12:26:33] | impulze: | just pure movies or media from mplayer/vlc/mythtv |
| [12:26:56] | Dagmar: | It can be done, but usually you find you'd have been better off starting with one foot or the other. |
| [12:27:26] | Dagmar: | It's definitely sounding like you're asking for multiple X servers |
| [12:27:45] | impulze: | there are 2 xservers running :) afaik |
| [12:27:50] | impulze: | since i configured 2 screens |
| [12:28:36] | Dagmar: | You can run two completely separate servers, or one server that knows it's got two displays. The functionality is almost identical, but how you get a particular app on a particular display changes slightly. |
| [12:28:48] | Dagmar: | Devilspie may be something you'll want to look into |
| [12:28:49] | juski: | blech. changes to ui.xml never used to require a reload of mythfrontend |
| [12:29:08] | Dagmar: | juski: According to the wiki you can just change themes twice and it will figure it out |
| [12:29:25] | Dagmar: | Devilspie will let you write some rules to _force_ particular apps to go to a particular display |
| [12:29:31] | juski: | quicker to restart mythfrontend by the time you go through the menus ;) |
| [12:29:41] | Dagmar: | Well, yeah, there is that |
| [12:30:09] | Dagmar: | I don't think I've actually clicked the "logout" button in ages, unless I've gone and enabled DontZap |
| [12:30:35] | Dagmar: | ...even though ctrl-alt-backspace is an incredibly rude way to treat the session manager |
| [12:32:09] | bluey-: | mhh anyone could help me? my /var/lib/mysql is eating 5 gigs and i just run mythtv on my server |
| [12:32:13] | bluey-: | how can i clean it up |
| [12:33:17] | fryfrog: | bluey-: you have mysql's binary logging turned on |
| [12:33:18] | juski: | 5 gigs? shit! |
| [12:33:22] | impulze: | Dagmar: hm that looks interesting |
| [12:33:35] | impulze: | Dagmar: but i can't figure out how to tell that the window has to start in another display |
| [12:33:43] | bluey-: | so how to disable and get rid of all thone *bin.* files |
| [12:33:47] | impulze: | Dagmar: i can just see taskbar related stuff or window size/behaviour |
| [12:33:56] | fryfrog: | open your my.cnf and search for "log-bin" |
| [12:34:01] | fryfrog: | if its there, comment it out |
| [12:34:20] | Speedy2: | Out of curiosity, how much work would be require to allow myth to use any standard sql database? |
| [12:34:26] | bluey-: | ok commented out |
| [12:34:33] | bluey-: | and the old files =/ save to delete? |
| [12:34:39] | fryfrog: | now, restart the mysql server |
| [12:34:45] | fryfrog: | pop into that dir and nuke all the .bin files |
| [12:34:50] | fryfrog: | i think they are .bin, right? |
| [12:35:08] | bluey-: | yeah |
| [12:35:32] | bluey-: | uhh bit afraid to delete everything =) |
| [12:36:56] | Dagmar: | Speedy2: You'd have to rewrite all the calls that go through the Qt mysql plugin |
| [12:37:40] | Dagmar: | impulze: Probably better to stick with setting DISPLAY then |
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| [12:38:09] | juski: | might finish this new theme this weekend :) :) |
| [12:38:10] | Dagmar: | impulze: It's just *not* going to be easy to have Myth using both displays at once, tho |
| [12:38:15] | Speedy2: | Dagmar: Ah, http://webpages.charter.net/fvilas/mythtv/pgsql.html |
| [12:38:38] | Dagmar: | Speedy2: That gets you Postgres, but not "just any SQL server" |
| [12:39:21] | Speedy2: | Dagmar: You're right. Well, it's a start! |
| [12:39:37] | bluey-: | thanks fryfrog you saved me =) |
| [12:39:47] | Speedy2: | I wonder why Issac is not interested in allowing support for other SQL databases. Seems like it could only help Myth |
| [12:40:35] | juski: | because it'd involve shit loads of work, that's why |
| [12:40:54] | Dagmar: | Speedy2: For one thing, there's really not that many SQL servers out there. For the other, huge piles of problems come from people not knowing what the hell they're doing with the SQL server they _are_ running, so there's a pretty severe support load there |
| [12:41:14] | juski: | the 'damage' has been done – mythtv needs mysql & it'll take a lot of work to change it. A HELL of a lot of work |
| [12:41:23] | Dagmar: | Speedy2: For a third, MythTV has several cases where it accesses the SQL server _over the network_ and that mechanism can change drastically between implementations |
| [12:41:58] | Speedy2: | Good points! |
| [12:42:31] | juski: | to do away with the need for mysql server you'd have to somehow add stuff to the myth protocol to do the database operations |
| [12:42:33] | Dagmar: | UNtil the project is up to it's neck in developers, it will probably be better to simply stick with one SQL server and make sure it all works correctly. |
| [12:43:15] | juski: | all this isn't saying that nobody has ever looked at moving away from mysql – it's just there are bigger more important fish to fry right now |
| [12:43:21] | Dagmar: | Yep |
| [12:43:29] | Dagmar: | Like "the rest of MythTV". ;) |
| [12:43:34] | Dagmar: | ...and "the frontend" |
| [12:43:43] | juski: | and converting the UI |
| [12:44:05] | juski: | and... see the list of tickets in trac right now to get the big picture |
| [12:44:18] | Speedy2: | 10–4. If I had a lot of money, I'd donate to the cause. |
| [12:44:27] | Dagmar: | Money won't help |
| [12:44:39] | Dagmar: | Free hardware might help a bit with specific uses. |
| [12:44:45] | Dagmar: | Fresh, pink brains and time is what's needed |
| [12:45:01] | juski: | now if mythtv was to go down the road of 'everything in one box' a la Freevo, A) I'd stop using newer revivions and B) you could do away with the need for mysql server |
| [12:45:02] | Speedy2: | Money can pay developers == more pink brains! :) |
| [12:45:20] | Dagmar: | Speedy2: Silly man. People don't pay opensource coders. |
| [12:45:22] | Dagmar: | hewh |
| [12:45:27] | Speedy2: | If I had a lot of $$ I would! |
| [12:45:57] | Speedy2: | Dagmar: What kind of hardware? |
| [12:45:59] | Dagmar: | I'm guesstimating it would take about $45k to pay for _one_ reasonably qualified coder for just one year |
| [12:46:04] | juski: | there's nothing to stop a rich person paying _any_ old developer to make the changes they want to see to mythtv |
| [12:46:28] | juski: | whether or not the changes get incorporated are up to the rest of the developers ;) |
| [12:46:29] | Dagmar: | Speedy2: It wouldn't help as much as you'd think, since most devs have the hardware they have for the _cable/satellite_ service they have |
| [12:46:42] | Speedy2: | hrm. Well, whatever helps. |
| [12:47:03] | Dagmar: | ...but in the cases where more than one card can be used to access a given service, if a dev could get their hands on the other options, it would help them to be able to troubleshoot/fix problems with the different cards. |
| [12:47:13] | juski: | don't forget that you can easily have too many developers with a given number of skillsets |
| [12:47:28] | Dagmar: | Like, one of the long-standing things (that I damn well wish I could think of a _decent_ solution for) is that of using the FM tuner on PVR-500 cards |
| [12:47:44] | Dagmar: | ...or the FM tuner on any of the PVR cards that have them for that matter. |
| [12:47:54] | juski: | Dagmar: there was mythfm, but the developers argued it didn't integrate with the recording engine |
| [12:48:02] | juski: | recording & scheduling |
| [12:48:06] | Dagmar: | You can use the FM tuner fine, but it locks out use of that tuner for video at the same time, in a way the backend can't readily see as being in use. |
| [12:48:21] | juski: | so make a new class. the fm recorder class :) |
| [12:48:46] | Dagmar: | juski: That's the problem I can't think of a good solution to, short of creating a whole new abstraction to define sources as having audio & video, or just audio... |
| [12:49:04] | juski: | someone managed it for dvb radio |
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| [12:49:44] | juski: | you can stuff a still image into an mpeg audio stream & make it video mpeg |
| [12:49:58] | Dagmar: | juski: I thought those basically just looked like every other TV channel to the DVB cards tho |
| [12:50:06] | juski: | not quite |
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| [12:50:18] | juski: | cos the player shits itself if there's no video PID |
| [12:50:29] | juski: | which there ain't with dvb radio |
| [12:50:32] | Dagmar: | The FM tuner on the PVR cards is basically making use of only part of the tuner hardware |
| [12:50:54] | Dagmar: | Without changing the access method I don't think it's going to be a useful approach for these cards |
| [12:50:56] | juski: | does the audio come over the PCI bus as mpeg or uncompressed? |
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| [12:51:14] | Dagmar: | Uncompressed, afaik |
| [12:51:41] | juski: | some people (like me) listen to more radio than they watch TV, so a PRR (personal radio recorder) would rock their world :) |
| [12:51:54] | Dagmar: | From what I've been seeing of it, it acts like the usual /dev/radio interface |
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| [12:52:18] | Dagmar: | *Maybe* changes would have to take place in ivtv to eliminate that distinction |
| [12:52:29] | juski: | the thing about a whole new recording class is that you can change the rules you work with the device |
| [12:52:44] | Dagmar: | I think the problem stems from that tho |
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| [12:52:55] | juski: | what? nobody wants a new recording class? |
| [12:53:20] | juski: | that didn't stop the guys who went on to make the ip recorder & the dbox2 recording stuff |
| [12:53:34] | Dagmar: | I haven't seen anything in there that would indicate that doing a new class would make it so that when you have a device in use it would know that a different device seeminly unrelated to it is now also in use |
| [12:53:46] | Dagmar: | That much I have spelunked the source code for |
| [12:53:48] | juski: | yeah I agree that'd be tricky |
| [12:54:28] | juski: | but treat the radio section of the card as a 'sub device', and maybe you could be in business |
| [12:54:37] | Dagmar: | Ver' possibly |
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| [12:55:08] | ** juski is happy with the new recordings playback screen ** | |
| [12:55:26] | Dagmar: | Creating sub-devices in general might lead to other things, like the ability to listen for EIT easier, or teletext services (wherever the hell those actually exist) |
| [12:56:24] | juski: | VBI data... so they already exist |
| [12:56:38] | Dagmar: | I suspect CC is going to have to work reliably on more of the PVR cards than it does before interest picks up in a useful way in that area tho |
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| [12:57:14] | Dagmar: | I still don't get diddle for CC, even though recordings seem to be flagged as having CC data or not, nearly at random |
| [12:57:59] | juski: | CC is pretty new to pvr150 & pvr500 cards. you need like ivtv 0.8.x I think |
| [12:58:04] | Dagmar: | Work is starting to actually bear fruit on the LCARS theme |
| [12:58:13] | Dagmar: | It doesn't make the frontend explode anymore |
| [12:58:44] | juski: | heh |
| [12:58:56] | juski: | making these glassy looking icons is a labour of love |
| [12:58:56] | Dagmar: | But I use the term "fruit" very loosely. This is not fruit you'd want to eat, or be downwind of. |
| [12:59:25] | Speedy2: | CC? |
| [12:59:30] | juski: | wonder how big this theme is so far with the new 615x720 watermarks... |
| [12:59:36] | Dagmar: | I probably made more progress last night putting an LCARS theme on my Razr V3m |
| [12:59:37] | Speedy2: | Close-Captioning? |
| [12:59:41] | Dagmar: | Spedy2: yes |
| [12:59:51] | juski: | 15 megs! heheh. not even half finished the watermarks yet |
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| [12:59:58] | Dagmar: | I begin to think that doing *all* the widgets in XML wasn't a good idea |
| [13:00:18] | Dagmar: | I would really rather the damn thing just work on both normal and widescreen displays tho |
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| [13:00:35] | juski: | Dagmar: this way you can decide if you want to customise the widgets or not though |
| [13:00:55] | juski: | I'm ditching the game-ui.xml and phone-ui.xml from my themes |
| [13:01:00] | Speedy2: | Who does work on the mythcommercial-flaging? Doing a basic history on one show I notice the commercials usually last the same amount of time (~90s) and appear with-in an error margin of 30s from one episode of one show to the next. Just wondering if there are plans to add timing as part of the commercial scoring |
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| [13:01:23] | juski: | Speedy2: there's an svn branch for the improved commflagging IIRC |
| [13:01:24] | Dagmar: | juski: Sanity check time... The frontend can draw SVG widgets, right? |
| [13:01:29] | juski: | Dagmar: nope |
| [13:01:38] | Dagmar: | Okay, that explains some of the explosions then |
| [13:01:39] | Dagmar: | wtf |
| [13:01:50] | Dagmar: | that shoots the whole thing I've been working up out the window |
| [13:01:58] | juski: | flat bitmaps or bust |
| [13:02:02] | Dagmar: | Ah well, better to know that's a dead end than to keep banging my head on the wall |
| [13:02:20] | juski: | saw someone ask for .3ds widgets once |
| [13:02:24] | Dagmar: | Jesus |
| [13:02:25] | juski: | they could fuck right off! |
| [13:02:28] | r3m0t: | -ChanServ- before asking questions, read reams of documentation — hum hum |
| [13:02:29] | Dagmar: | definitely |
| [13:02:39] | Dagmar: | r3m0t: Love those walls |
| [13:02:56] | Dagmar: | juski: .3ds format is a bloody nightmare |
| [13:03:15] | juski: | r3m0t: if more users read documentation the folks who hang round in here a lot (like me) would be a whole load more sane |
| [13:03:34] | juski: | and, there'd be less need for us to hang around in here too |
| [13:03:56] | Dagmar: | There's only so many times a day you can help people get lirc running (because they didn't read a damn thing) before you start rocking back and forth |
| [13:04:08] | Speedy2: | heh |
| [13:04:26] | juski: | #mythtv-users, twinned with #lirc and #ivtv |
| [13:04:31] | juski: | :-P |
| [13:04:36] | Dagmar: | euw |
| [13:04:37] | juski: | oh and #linux-101 |
| [13:04:44] | juski: | seemingly |
| [13:05:01] | Dagmar: | Man, I wish we had a channel flag to only allow people in who've managed to complete a basic competency exam |
| [13:05:37] | juski: | you could say that about people who have kids, too |
| [13:06:34] | Dagmar: | juski: Yeah, but that sort of things leads to words like "eugenics" and people painting little sweeper mustaches on your portrait |
| [13:06:46] | juski: | hahaha |
| [13:07:51] | juski: | I wish there was an easier way to change the colour of the qt stuff rather than qtlook.txt |
| [13:10:45] | r3m0t: | I have a few questions (sorry everybody, I didn't read *all* of that...) |
| [13:11:03] | Speedy2: | People who make graph without labeling the axis should be shot. |
| [13:11:36] | r3m0t: | is it possible to have two tuner cards which overlap on *some* of the channels? i.e. one of them needs to use lirc to change the channel on a set-top box, the other doesn't. |
| [13:12:35] | r3m0t: | can I choose to prefer the non-lirc (i.e. freeview) tuner card to do recordings? and can I make sure only one tuner card is ever recording at a time, so that one is available for live viewing at the TV? |
| [13:12:47] | r3m0t: | Speedy2: agreed |
| [13:14:40] | r3m0t: | I guess the answer is "read the bloody documentation"... |
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| [13:15:33] | juski: | hang on.. |
| [13:15:51] | juski: | you just need to bone up on tuner priorities & channel priorities |
| [13:16:10] | juski: | but bear in mind that in mythtv. _everything_ gets recorded |
| [13:18:00] | juski: | I need to put some music on |
| [13:18:35] | r3m0t: | yes, but say the scheduling suggests that the only way to catch some particular episode is to record both of them at the same time. somebody in the family who walks up to the TV could get pretty pissed off |
| [13:19:11] | r3m0t: | *episodes, *record two channels using the two tuners |
| [13:19:17] | juski: | get another tuner then |
| [13:19:48] | juski: | until we get multichannel recording from a single transport in mythtv two tuners is the optimum for dvb-t |
| [13:20:18] | Speedy2: | I think he's saying he wants to "reserve" a tuner one for recording and one for live tv, even in the event of the scheduler wanting to utilize to tuners to record two different shows |
| [13:20:36] | r3m0t: | that's right Speedy2 |
| [13:21:17] | juski: | I dunno wth the fuss is about livetv. it's _so_ last century |
| [13:24:25] | Dagmar: | People are doing it because it beats getting nastygrams from the cable company |
| [13:25:04] | juski: | wha? like has anyone ever been contacted because their STB told the headend they'd stopped using the STB? |
| [13:25:23] | Dagmar: | No, but someone's been going around sending notes to Comcast about people downloading Heroes |
| [13:25:29] | r3m0t: | I have ntl (encrypted dvb-c) and I think I have to use a set-top box + lirc |
| [13:26:36] | Speedy2: | Is CableCARD going to make things better or worse? |
| [13:26:48] | juski: | r3m0t: yes you do. I also have NTL. it's not just the encryption either – it's the nifty bit in your T&Cs that say you're not allowed to connect your own gear to their socket |
| [13:26:51] | Dagmar: | That depends if they do the route the folks who came up with CSS did |
| [13:27:12] | Dagmar: | If the cablecard interface is a *really* open standard, things will get better |
| [13:27:29] | juski: | I can only see cablecard happening in Linux if they make release closed-source stuff |
| [13:27:31] | Dagmar: | ...but I figure it's probably going to be more like the DVD "open" standard, where it's only open if you pay someone $10,000 |
| [13:27:48] | juski: | I'd bet $10,000 on it infact Dagmar |
| [13:27:54] | Dagmar: | juski: Actually the spec is *supposed* to make it entirely possible for that to not be necessary |
| [13:28:04] | juski: | look at HDMI |
| [13:28:17] | juski: | more money for the boys! |
| [13:28:23] | Dagmar: | Unless they've done something really insanely insecure, they *should* be able to publish specs on the cards without risking anyone being able to easily decrypt content they didn't pay for |
| [13:28:36] | Dagmar: | I'd *like* to see the FCC regulate on it |
| [13:28:37] | r3m0t: | we don't have cablecard over in the UK, Dagmar |
| [13:28:45] | Dagmar: | r3m0t: You will eventually |
| [13:29:05] | r3m0t: | *licks lips* if you say so. hope the required DRM doesn't come over as well |
| [13:29:08] | juski: | aren't they using 5C anyway? that evil thing where the keys are like 256 bits long & they change ever 2 seconds or something? |
| [13:29:20] | Dagmar: | r3m0t: You wouldn't need cablecard if there wasn't DRM |
| [13:29:56] | r3m0t: | juski: do you use redremote? ntl are shipping us a new STB that the redremote site says doesn't require it |
| [13:29:59] | juski: | the thing is though, you don't need to decrypt the stream with cablecard stuff do you? I thought it was basically a STB on a PCI card |
| [13:30:13] | juski: | r3m0t: yeah the Samsung box |
| [13:30:18] | Dagmar: | To get people caught up, the idea of the cablecard is that you get it from your Cable provider, and it handles decrypting the material you paid for |
| [13:30:40] | Dagmar: | You feed it the encrypted stream, and if it's something you paid for, decrypted data comes out the other end |
| [13:30:48] | juski: | I had an old redeye remote thingy here,.. turns RC5 into the pseudo IrDA the old Pace boxes used |
| [13:31:10] | r3m0t: | juski: I hope it's faster than the damn pace box. since the new firmware/interface it's become even worse |
| [13:31:22] | juski: | Dagmar: so if the card is doing the decripplement, I don't see how it'd be a problem |
| [13:31:40] | Dagmar: | juski: You'd think that woudn';t you |
| [13:31:46] | Dagmar: | Same deal with DVDs tho |
| [13:32:01] | juski: | r3m0t: the samsung boxes are less shit than the Pace ones, but since the last 'enhancements' software update it's a crock. still not as bad as the old Pace box tho |
| [13:32:11] | Dagmar: | Someone is BOUND to try to leverage the DMCA to see to it that not only do they get money for every cablecard sold, but for every device that uses a cablecard as well |
| [13:32:23] | Speedy2: | juski: How's your luck going with the MSNTV-2 thingy? |
| [13:32:28] | Dagmar: | This is why we're just *now* getting a legal/licenced DVD player software for Linux |
| [13:32:29] | Speedy2: | juski: Or the S100 I guess |
| [13:32:34] | juski: | I don't have an MSNTV2 |
| [13:32:56] | juski: | Speedy2: I got it working last summer. got bored with it. now have 2 gathering dust & scratches in a cupboard |
| [13:33:37] | Speedy2: | I recall you trying to get the interlaced TV-out on the Intel Integrated Graphics or something |
| [13:33:39] | juski: | I plan to make one of em a new front panel when I have time |
| [13:33:51] | juski: | Speedy2: gave up on that. they can't do it |
| [13:34:05] | juski: | no drag when you have enough CPU do deinterlace |
| [13:34:51] | Dagmar: | I'm kinda hoping that MythTV will get the FCC's attention enough to know that if CableCard becomes a "closed/fee" format, that it will stifle innovation |
| [13:35:17] | Dagmar: | The FCC is really pretty much the last bastion of defence against that sort of thing, and they have a history of telling overly-greedy companies to piss off |
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| [13:36:13] | juski: | Dagmar: worth sending your xmas money to the EFF then :) |
| [13:36:26] | Dagmar: | I actually do do that |
| [13:36:33] | r3m0t: | juski: I hope it isn't unreliable in switching channels (most important part obviously) and you can turn off the OSD |
| [13:36:35] | Dagmar: | It's a weird habit I picked up during the boom while I was in Cali |
| [13:36:40] | r3m0t: | juski: tell me about your setup. :) |
| [13:36:56] | Dagmar: | ...that and I expect sooner or later I'll be calling them for legal defense. |
| [13:36:59] | Dagmar: | heh |
| [13:37:26] | juski: | r3m0t: you can't turn off the OSD I'm afraid |
| [13:37:48] | Speedy2: | Hrm, SQLite seems like it would be ideal for Myth to integrate |
| [13:38:21] | juski: | Speedy2: so get to it. and while you're about it, add the db abstraction layer to the myth protocol |
| [13:38:48] | r3m0t: | juski: do you start all recordings early? |
| [13:38:56] | juski: | r3m0t: generally 30s |
| [13:39:08] | juski: | very rare I get the OSD on a recording |
| [13:39:16] | Speedy2: | juski: Ok. Once I learn about databases :) My forte is Hardware |
| [13:39:19] | juski: | but when the box hangs sometimes it doesn't change channels |
| [13:39:23] | Dagmar: | Speedy2: except for that whole http://www.sqlite.org/omitted.html thing |
| [13:39:39] | Dagmar: | Specifically, no GRANT and REVOKE |
| [13:39:40] | Speedy2: | Dagmar: Yeah, those features are utilized by Myth? |
| [13:39:52] | juski: | oh and the BFSQ needs to be adapted to better suit smaller engines |
| [13:40:07] | juski: | BFSQ == big fecking scheduler query |
| [13:40:14] | r3m0t: | juski: does the advert detection work well in the UK? (esp Sky One/Two and the Big Five) |
| [13:40:26] | Dagmar: | A lack of those basically means any kid who knows how to work an SQL client would be able to disable the rating filter |
| [13:40:28] | juski: | it's like 6 screenfulls of 80x25 text.. all one query line |
| [13:40:50] | juski: | r3m0t: works really well on $ky One. doesn't work on ITV channels at all |
| [13:41:00] | Dagmar: | ...and I can guarantee you there isn't a 10 year old in this nation who can't figure out an SQL client in a few hours if there's the promise of titties at the end of it |
| [13:41:02] | juski: | but then I don't record much from ITV that _I_ watch |
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| [13:42:10] | Dagmar: | Speedy2: ...and I don't think you can do a remote query with SQLite. It seems meant for single systems only the last time I saw a presentation on it |
| [13:42:24] | Dagmar: | ...which means no frontend-only boxes |
| [13:42:59] | Speedy2: | Maybe a simple sqlite daemon could deal with that? |
| [13:43:02] | r3m0t: | juski: also does xmltv give you ShowIDs so that it won't record the same episode of that yellow family show twice? |
| [13:43:06] | Speedy2: | (of course it would have to be written...) |
| [13:43:45] | juski: | r3m0t: pretty much but it depends on the programme guide data |
| [13:43:53] | r3m0t: | ok, thanks |
| [13:43:55] | r3m0t: | bye all |
| [13:44:00] | juski: | the epg monkeys are notoriously lazy bastards |
| [13:44:08] | r3m0t: | :| |
| [13:44:08] | juski: | have fun, r3m0t |
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| [13:45:19] | psofa: | the backend stores the configuration per hostname , not ip right? |
| [13:45:49] | psofa: | is there any way to make it store config by ip? id like to change my hostname and not mess with the db... |
| [13:46:07] | juski: | why change your hostname? |
| [13:46:18] | psofa: | juski, because i realize its crap :P |
| [13:46:24] | juski: | see the mythtv docs about changing your hostname anyway |
| [13:46:27] | juski: | RTFM! |
| [13:46:28] | juski: | RTFM! |
| [13:46:30] | juski: | :) |
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| [13:47:03] | juski: | you'd be amazed what's been documented if you only bother to look |
| [13:47:04] | r3m0t: | just getting the address for the IRC lgos |
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| [13:49:44] | Speedy2: | I guess here's r3m0t's answer; low backend to change tuner selection for recording on the fly if a user is watching live TV. (I have three tuner cards, and while I'm watching live TV, the backend often takes over the tuner I'm using, despite two other tuners being available.) <This is available "Utilities/Setup -> Setup -> General -> Avoid conflicts between live TV and scheduled shows"> |
| [13:51:17] | psofa: | juski, damn i should have asked before booting with the new hostname |
| [13:51:25] | psofa: | you know what happened now.... |
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| [13:51:49] | Dagmar: | It has no idea what your settings should be |
| [13:51:50] | psofa: | the backend created empty entries for the new hostname |
| [13:52:14] | psofa: | so ill have to delete those entries first |
| [13:52:16] | psofa: | :/ |
| [13:52:23] | juski: | stop the backend |
| [13:52:33] | juski: | then you can do some mysql-fu |
| [13:52:39] | psofa: | yes i know... |
| [13:52:41] | psofa: | damn |
| [13:52:50] | psofa: | fucking sql i always forget it |
| [13:53:00] | psofa: | now ill have to read the docs again! |
| [13:53:32] | Speedy2: | psofa: I think there is a GUI tool called "Tora" (tora.sourceforge.net) that might help |
| [13:55:18] | tim_: | Can anyone tell me how to make the frontend run in a window so I can see other windows? |
| [13:56:23] | juski: | tim_: in the appearance menu there's a tickbox that says "run mythfrontend in a window" !!!!!! |
| [13:56:26] | Dagmar: | Turn on the checkbox in the setup menus of mythfrontend that says "Run in a window" |
| [13:56:41] | tim_: | Doh, thanks. |
| [13:56:41] | ** juski chucks the FM on the fire ** | |
| [13:56:57] | juski: | .. since nobody can be arsed to read it today |
| [13:57:09] | juski: | may aswell use it to keep warm eh ;) |
| [13:57:27] | tim_: | I want to run mythtv-setup (while the frontend is running). When I run the command in a terminal window, says that it cannot connect to the X server??? |
| [13:57:47] | juski: | export DISPLAY=:0 |
| [13:57:53] | psofa: | Speedy2, well those damn things never work on amd64 arch..... |
| [13:57:53] | Dagmar: | You need to run it as the same user that started X, dude |
| [13:58:21] | tim_: | Is that so? Didn't know. Thanks. |
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| [14:03:27] | Speedy2: | psofa: What damn things? |
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| [14:15:25] | juski: | hahaha this box is seriously straining with all these graphics |
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| [14:25:31] | psofa: | Speedy2, the mysql gui fe's clients etc... |
| [14:26:43] | psofa: | err anyone knows where in the database are the fe settings? |
| [14:26:44] | Speedy2: | psofa: Tora is a multi-database frontend. Check it out |
| [14:29:26] | psofa: | Speedy2, nah ill do it the cli way:) |
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| [14:29:50] | psofa: | anyone knows if per fe settings are also in other tables other than "settings"? |
| [14:31:38] | juski: | just settings |
| [14:31:43] | psofa: | nice |
| [14:31:51] | juski: | :- mmmmm yes |
| [14:31:55] | juski: | narf! |
| [14:32:05] | psofa: | ill first delete all rows containing the new hostname |
| [14:32:17] | psofa: | then sed the old converting it to the new one |
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| [14:32:40] | juski: | sed? whoah there |
| [14:33:04] | juski: | update settings set hostname ="newhostname" where hostname="oldhostname"; no? |
| [14:33:21] | psofa: | well that would mean id have to read more manpages :P |
| [14:33:44] | juski: | don't think editing the db files directly is ever a good idea |
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| [14:35:23] | psofa: | but since you told me the command i wont have to read the manpages :) |
| [14:36:21] | ** scopeuk prepares for the i was frouking bout with mysql and myth is now frouked help help help help ** | |
| [14:37:14] | juski: | listen up folks.. Juski is not a substitute for RTFM :) |
| [14:37:33] | scopeuk: | nope but for interpreting tfm you cant go far wrong |
| [14:37:46] | juski: | haha |
| [14:37:54] | psofa: | juski, but you told me the command yourself! |
| [14:37:55] | juski: | I was stumped last night with my playback problem |
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| [14:38:07] | juski: | all sorted. RMFB :) |
| [14:38:08] | psofa: | juski, btw what was the problem? |
| [14:38:21] | scopeuk: | psofa was planing on stobing you destroying your db |
| [14:38:21] | juski: | fucking interactive shite in the stream |
| [14:38:41] | juski: | erm.. I mean rubbish interactive packets in the dvb-t streams messing up playback |
| [14:38:54] | psofa: | lol |
| [14:39:00] | juski: | mythtvguy.wordpress.com – how I fixed it |
| [14:39:23] | juski: | put there for now til I can get around to putting it in the wookie poodle-eeeeah |
| [14:39:28] | scopeuk: | any chance that one day somone will code up intractive for myth? |
| [14:39:42] | juski: | scopeuk: which century are you living in? it's there already |
| [14:39:52] | scopeuk: | juski fari enough |
| [14:40:02] | juski: | scopeuk: seen the new theme btw? |
| [14:40:02] | scopeuk: | just seams to cause more problems than solutions |
| [14:40:05] | scopeuk: | no |
| [14:40:12] | scopeuk: | been kinda preocupied for the last week |
| [14:40:13] | juski: | http://homepage.ntlworld.com/justin.hornsby2/new.png |
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| [14:40:21] | scopeuk: | not on jsuki.co.uk? |
| [14:40:25] | juski: | then new2.png thru new6.png |
| [14:40:29] | scopeuk: | very cool |
| [14:40:30] | juski: | same thing :) |
| [14:40:57] | scopeuk: | fair enough |
| [14:41:04] | scopeuk: | explaisn why i get a good connection |
| [14:41:15] | scopeuk: | janet is peered with ntl directly |
| [14:41:28] | scopeuk: | connections to home 50miles ish go through london to take the piss though |
| [14:41:41] | juski: | heh |
| [14:41:59] | scopeuk: | very nioce juski |
| [14:42:06] | juski: | thanks :) |
| [14:42:11] | juski: | best yet mefinks |
| [14:42:17] | scopeuk: | when i get roundto building a real myth box (old one has been retired) ill seriously consdier that |
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| [14:42:21] | juski: | and yeah I know, it's BLUE |
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| [14:42:29] | scopeuk: | lol |
| [14:42:37] | scopeuk: | bye bye chan serv |
| [14:42:51] | scopeuk: | juski blue can be fine |
| [14:45:02] | D-side: | i'm so ashamed of myself. |
| [14:45:14] | scopeuk: | ? |
| [14:45:25] | scopeuk: | you dident go to japan to get a ps3 did you? |
| [14:45:42] | D-side: | i had to find alternate means of getting an internet connection to the room i'm in right now. |
| [14:45:53] | scopeuk: | open ap? |
| [14:45:53] | D-side: | it involves a windows laptop and ICS. |
| [14:46:01] | scopeuk: | thats not too bad |
| [14:46:04] | D-side: | plugged into the box i needed access from |
| [14:46:25] | scopeuk: | my hoem network use to run on ics befoure i broght the router |
| [14:46:39] | scopeuk: | but were pretty much a windows network |
| [14:46:56] | ** Dagmar shuns scopeuk ** | |
| [14:47:11] | D-side: | now that i've got a mac, theres been no windows here at all. :D |
| [14:47:35] | scopeuk: | Dagmar my brother was througholy confused when grub came up on my machine whilst it was booting |
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| [14:50:13] | juski: | what was his reaction? GRUB?! oh noes! a wormy worm! |
| [14:50:27] | scopeuk: | no wtf scott your pcs doing something weird |
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| [14:51:33] | juski: | sudo nano /usr/share/mythtv/themes/new-widefuck |
| [14:52:01] | scopeuk: | wrong win juski? |
| [14:52:23] | D-side: | er |
| [14:52:32] | D-side: | i'm not sure i want to have anything to do with a "wide fuck" |
| [14:52:38] | scopeuk: | lol |
| [14:53:54] | juski: | heh |
| [15:02:31] | juski: | that's the programfinder sorted out |
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| [15:04:37] | scopeuk: | lol |
| [15:04:44] | ** scopeuk wodners if he should have more te ** | |
| [15:04:45] | scopeuk: | a |
| [15:09:29] | Speedy2: | Adios all. |
| [15:09:54] | tim_: | juski, I checked the setting for running myth in a window, but it doesn't seems to have an effect. Even after reboot, it's running full screen. Any thoughts? |
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| [15:11:27] | russK: | What's the roll of toilet paper in the lower left of the screen mean? |
| [15:12:01] | scopeuk: | delete? |
| [15:12:22] | D-side: | commercials flagged/ |
| [15:12:25] | D-side: | hit f1. |
| [15:12:31] | D-side: | if i remember that right. |
| [15:12:58] | russK: | yes, thanks F1 shows status icons |
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| [15:20:05] | a1fa: | morning |
| [15:20:32] | a1fa: | My box keeps shutting of once a while |
| [15:21:52] | a1fa: | i dont know if it is the mythtv-backend shutting it off or what |
| [15:22:34] | a1fa: | i just don't get it |
| [15:23:28] | a1fa: | no entries of crash in the log file |
| [15:28:48] | Weezey: | a1fa: what about in /var/log/messages? |
| [15:29:02] | juski: | tim_: so change the GUI size then |
| [15:29:31] | juski: | next you're gonna say "eh? so I can't click & drag to resize it?" |
| [15:31:09] | a1fa: | Weezey: nothing |
| [15:31:24] | psofa: | anyone knows how can i execute a mysql command from a say bash script? |
| [15:31:31] | a1fa: | Nov 11 02:35:42 localhost — MARK -- |
| [15:31:31] | a1fa: | Nov 11 09:13:16 mytivo syslogd 1.4.1#18: restart. |
| [15:31:43] | a1fa: | at 9:13 i figured out the box was down, so i turned it on |
| [15:31:44] | Weezey: | a1fa: what tuner card are you using? |
| [15:31:55] | a1fa: | PVR-500 |
| [15:32:57] | Weezey: | kernerl version and ivtv version? |
| [15:33:18] | D-side: | i forgot how despiseable lirc is. |
| [15:33:22] | a1fa: | 2.6.17-1-k7 |
| [15:33:33] | a1fa: | ivtv: version 0.7.0 (tagged release) loading |
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| [15:34:37] | Weezey: | hmm, I've been having that same issue, but mine's reporting memory errors. I'm running 0.7 from svn |
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| [15:35:27] | a1fa: | where did you get memory errors on? |
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| [15:38:34] | GreyFoxx: | psofa it's kinda ugly but you can do |
| [15:38:55] | GreyFoxx: | echo "select moo from table where x > y;" | mysql -uuser -ppassword databasename |
| [15:40:47] | D-side: | i wonder if i want to get a pvr500 and sell these 250s. |
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| [15:42:44] | a1fa: | 2x pvr500 > * |
| [15:43:05] | psofa: | GreyFoxx, ty |
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| [15:45:14] | a1fa: | Weezey: you get random shutdowns too? |
| [15:45:40] | Weezey: | yeah, random shutdowns and crashing mythbackend |
| [15:45:52] | a1fa: | svn mythtv? |
| [15:46:18] | Weezey: | it's rpm'd lemme check. |
| [15:48:15] | a1fa: | i dont know ifs the backend acting up |
| [15:49:42] | a1fa: | Family Guy 90 November 10 2006 |
| [15:49:46] | a1fa: | #1 ;) |
| [15:50:03] | a1fa: | 3 Futurama 35 November 9 2006 |
| [15:58:23] | juski: | prescaling theme images.. yadayadayadayada |
| [16:02:28] | D-side: | i'm such a lazy bastard sometimes. |
| [16:04:20] | juski: | only sometimes? pfft |
| [16:06:37] | D-side: | point taken. |
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| [16:13:09] | solemnwarning: | Hi all |
| [16:13:32] | solemnwarning: | Would a P3 450MHz work as a PVR or would it take too much CPU load? |
| [16:14:21] | psofa: | does this sound bad? 2006-11–11 18:11:48.559 RingBuf(/mnt/store/recordings/2002_20061111181141.mpg): Invalid file (fd -1) when opening '/mnt/store/recordings/2002_20061111181141.mpg' |
| [16:15:06] | solemnwarning: | psofa: Sounds like the file is missing |
| [16:15:11] | solemnwarning: | I would guess open() can't find it |
| [16:18:40] | Dagmar: | solemnwarning: dude, check the website with respect to how much CPU power you need. It is documented literally *everywhere* |
| [16:19:22] | Dagmar: | psofa: Make sure dma transfers are actually enabled on that drive, and that you built the proper chipset support for your IDE controller into the kernel. (and I do mean INTO the kernel, not as a module) |
| [16:20:02] | psofa: | Dagmar, ??? |
| [16:20:18] | Dagmar: | psofa: !!! |
| [16:20:33] | Dagmar: | If you can't be bothered to compose a sentence, I can't be bothered to compose an answer. |
| [16:20:51] | psofa: | Dagmar, lol yes.I mean what does this have to do with the error |
| [16:21:10] | psofa: | i can see livetv |
| [16:21:10] | solemnwarning: | I'm thinking about running al the mythtv backend stuff on my 2.2GHz athlon PC, then running a mythtv client on a 450MHz P3 |
| [16:21:14] | solemnwarning: | *all |
| [16:21:21] | psofa: | so i can suppose that things get written to disk after all |
| [16:21:26] | solemnwarning: | Would that be a good idea? |
| [16:21:51] | Dagmar: | psofa: There's still a bit of raciness with file creation, which shows up especially when dealing with liveTV if the _disk is slow because DMA transfers are not enabled_ |
| [16:22:44] | Dagmar: | ...not enabled, or support is just missing from the IDE controller entirely. |
| [16:22:57] | Dagmar: | The generic PCI IDE chipset support is not sufficient to the task, usually. |
| [16:23:39] | Dagmar: | I'm assuming you've been getting these errors while watching LiveTV, because you'd probably know if you've been poking around in the filesystem, deleting things by hand. |
| [16:24:03] | Dagmar: | Not many people ask "why can't the computer find files I just deleted". ;) |
| [16:24:47] | solemnwarning: | Do any ask "Why can't the computer find files I just wrote a C program to unlink()?" :P |
| [16:25:15] | Zider: | "why can't the computer locate my hard drive that lies on the desk next to the case?" |
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| [16:25:32] | solemnwarning: | XD |
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| [16:28:41] | solemnwarning: | Will the mythtv client work on a 450MHz box if the backend is on a 2.2GHz athlon? |
| [16:28:49] | psofa: | Dagmar, http://pastebin.ca/245909 |
| [16:29:09] | psofa: | it seems im not using the generic chipset support right? |
| [16:29:35] | psofa: | also hdparm reports dma ison |
| [16:30:17] | Dagmar: | Then i'd ignore it if it's not causing any glitches |
| [16:30:23] | Dagmar: | Like I said, it's racy. |
| [16:30:38] | psofa: | but i just saw something |
| [16:30:47] | psofa: | hdparm on the first partition shows 50mb/sec |
| [16:31:00] | psofa: | however hdparm on the last partition of the same drive |
| [16:31:10] | psofa: | where myth stores its things is 20mb/s!!! |
| [16:31:12] | psofa: | wtf |
| [16:31:30] | Dagmar: | For one thing, different parts of the disk will always operate at different speeds. |
| [16:31:38] | Dagmar: | The first cylinders tend to be faster than the last |
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| [16:31:50] | psofa: | still thats a huge difference |
| [16:32:06] | Dagmar: | What are you using to test? |
| [16:32:17] | psofa: | hdparm -tT /dev/hda4 |
| [16:32:33] | Dagmar: | How are you managing that? |
| [16:32:38] | Dagmar: | hdparm won't look at partitions |
| [16:32:50] | psofa: | lol no idea |
| [16:32:53] | psofa: | just tried it |
| [16:32:58] | psofa: | and it worked :P |
| [16:33:13] | psofa: | hdparm -tT /dev/hda1 shows nice speeds of 50mb/s |
| [16:33:21] | Dagmar: | Not in any rational way anyhow |
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| [16:41:54] | a1fa: | psofa: hdparm -tT /dev/hda |
| [16:41:55] | a1fa: | fool |
| [16:42:08] | a1fa: | Timing buffered disk reads: 168 MB in 3.03 seconds = 55.42 MB/sec |
| [16:42:33] | psofa: | a1fa, try partitions |
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| [16:42:55] | solemnwarning: | Can A P3 450MHz run the mythtv client without issues if the backend is on a 2.2GHz athlon? |
| [16:43:11] | Dagmar: | No, it's too damn slow |
| [16:43:15] | psofa: | lol |
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| [16:43:25] | Dagmar: | Much like users who refuse to look at the documentation |
| [16:43:25] | solemnwarning: | How fast should a machine running the client be? |
| [16:43:27] | Paladine: | damn never noticed I wasn't in here |
| [16:43:32] | solemnwarning: | Erm |
| [16:43:38] | Paladine: | any lectricians in da house? |
| [16:43:38] | Dagmar: | I'm not reading web pages to people today. |
| [16:43:43] | solemnwarning: | The docs say speed for client+backend, right? |
| [16:43:48] | Dagmar: | Paldine: I've not been killed yet |
| [16:43:49] | solemnwarning: | I said client |
| [16:44:03] | GreyFoxx: | solemnwarning: I'd say a 600mhz is really bare minimum |
| [16:44:03] | Paladine: | dagmar, just a quick question, its been a while since I did any electronics |
| [16:44:25] | Dagmar: | Never use your tongue to tin the hot iron |
| [16:44:33] | GreyFoxx: | solemnwarning: What kind of capture card(s) will you be using ? |
| [16:44:39] | juski: | lmao! |
| [16:44:52] | Paladine: | if I run 5 LEDs in series on a 12V DC supply they will each get 12V DC as opposed to running them in parallel where they will each get 12/5V DC right? |
| [16:44:58] | solemnwarning: | The bttv one in my PC |
| [16:45:08] | GreyFoxx: | solemnwarning: Ahhh |
| [16:45:15] | solemnwarning: | But thats the 2.2GHz machine running the backend, not the client one |
| [16:45:16] | psofa: | Dagmar, the docs say the hd led should blink every 4 secs or so but i can see it blinking every sec so maybe the hd is really slow? |
| [16:45:16] | juski: | no, each LED will drop about 2.5V, depending on the LED |
| [16:45:29] | GreyFoxx: | If you pick up a PVR 150 (60US or so) you could use the 450 as the backend and the other machine as the frontend :) |
| [16:45:32] | Dagmar: | Juski nailed it |
| [16:45:37] | Paladine: | just 12/5 (read 12 divided by 5) :p |
| [16:45:39] | Dagmar: | and it's not 12V/5 in parallel either |
| [16:45:43] | Paladine: | juski even |
| [16:45:59] | solemnwarning: | I thought all the work was done by the backend server |
| [16:46:02] | Dagmar: | There's a much more annoying calculation involved for that |
| [16:46:12] | Paladine: | I thought running things in series gave the same powe to each component in the series? |
| [16:46:15] | juski: | Paladine: find out what the fwd voltage for the LEDs is |
| [16:46:22] | GreyFoxx: | solemnwarning: recording work is done by the backend, and thatonly takes a lot of cpu if you use a bttv type card |
| [16:46:26] | Dagmar: | Yeah, but LEDs are still diodes |
| [16:46:34] | GreyFoxx: | the pvr cards take almost 0% cpu to record |
| [16:46:39] | juski: | Paladine: then add then, so you'll get 5 time fwd voltage |
| [16:46:49] | psofa: | leds cant just take the voltage you apply to them :P |
| [16:46:49] | solemnwarning: | Well, the backend will be on a 2.2GHz box so it won't matter :P |
| [16:47:21] | GreyFoxx: | solemnwarning: The frontend still needs enough power to decode/display the recorded video |
| [16:47:25] | Paladine: | no LEDs are regulated by resistors |
| [16:47:28] | GreyFoxx: | and 450 is really not up to the job |
| [16:47:32] | juski: | Paladine: then subtract that value from 12V, and divide the result by 20mA |
| [16:47:32] | solemnwarning: | damm |
| [16:47:50] | Dagmar: | Paladine: They're diodes. Diodes have a voltage drop, even when you're feeding them current in the right direction. |
| [16:48:03] | GreyFoxx: | a 450 with pvr cards could easily be a backend,but it wont be a frontend |
| [16:48:03] | Dagmar: | People pair them with resistors so that it's harder for them to screw up and burn them out |
| [16:48:25] | GreyFoxx: | maybe with a 550, but personally I wouldn't go lower than 600mhz if I could avoid it |
| [16:48:25] | Paladine: | I was thinking of buying 4 of these: "range of standard sized 3mm and 5mm coloured leds which are designed to connect directly across 5vdc and12vdc power supply rails,having a built-in resistor thus greatly simplifying design and assembly." and running them in series across 12V DC |
| [16:48:35] | Paladine: | the description seems to suggest it will work |
| [16:48:37] | solemnwarning: | Why would the pvr card help if it's in the backend machine? |
| [16:48:48] | Dagmar: | Well, they'll light up if that's what you're wondering about |
| [16:49:05] | juski: | Paladine: you'd end up with the first in the chain running brighter than the others, then they get progressively dimmer |
| [16:49:07] | Paladine: | yeah, they are just to illuminate 4 case feet |
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| [16:49:36] | juski: | if they've already got resistors inline for 5v or 12v, just put em in parallel & run them on the right voltage rail |
| [16:49:36] | Paladine: | so if I run them in parallel they will all be the same brightness? |
| [16:49:37] | GreyFoxx: | solemnwarning: the pvr cards require no CPU to record from, a bttv card will take like a 1g for recording |
| [16:50:00] | solemnwarning: | But the bttv is in the 2.2GHz athlon running the backend, not the P3 running the client |
| [16:50:05] | Dagmar: | THey'd be the same brightness either way |
| [16:50:14] | GreyFoxx: | *sigh* you are totally missing my point. |
| [16:50:37] | Dagmar: | GreyFoxx: I suggest using a mallet |
| [16:50:41] | GreyFoxx: | All I'm saying is that the 450 with pvr cards would be an acceptable backend,end of story |
| [16:50:48] | GreyFoxx: | the 450 is not sufficient as a frontend |
| [16:50:49] | Paladine: | juski, it is the finishing touches for my Tux server case |
| [16:50:52] | juski: | !megatrout |
| [16:51:02] | Paladine: | the case is black and white and I want illuniated yellow feet :) |
| [16:51:05] | ** solemnwarning equips enormous foam helm of stupidity ** | |
| [16:51:08] | Paladine: | illuminated |
| [16:51:21] | ivor: | Paladine: awesome! |
| [16:51:21] | juski: | Paladine: er... nice.. I think |
| [16:51:43] | Paladine: | http://www.paladine.org.uk/images/leftpanel.png <- thats what the left side panel will look like |
| [16:51:43] | ivor: | animated wings? |
| [16:51:49] | juski: | is it just me or is 'awesome' now an official ubuntu word? |
| [16:51:50] | solemnwarning: | GreyFoxx: I want to run the backend in the 2.2GHz so that I don't need the frontend always running |
| [16:51:57] | solemnwarning: | Power consumption |
| [16:52:08] | solemnwarning: | My PC is always running so the backend would be fine on it |
| [16:52:10] | Paladine: | top of the case has this on it http://www.paladine.org.uk/images/frag.jpg |
| [16:52:27] | ivor: | solemnwarning: you dont need the backend always running |
| [16:52:37] | solemnwarning: | Recordings? |
| [16:52:47] | juski: | ivor: btw I don't think via xvmc & deinterlacing like recordings with interactive data in em |
| [16:52:58] | Dagmar: | Sometimes you have to stop the backend, then restart the database server, and then start the frontend |
| [16:53:14] | Dagmar: | ...and the backend can't always connect to the frontend so you have to account for that |
| [16:53:16] | ivor: | juski: why would that affect anything? |
| [16:53:40] | ivor: | or are we sending the interactive data to the decoder? |
| [16:53:41] | solemnwarning: | It can't run independently? |
| [16:53:43] | juski: | ivor: I dunno but I was having issues playing back some recordings made since I installed 0.20 |
| [16:53:54] | GreyFoxx: | solemnwarning: No thebackend doesn't need the frontend |
| [16:54:01] | solemnwarning: | Ok :) |
| [16:54:09] | ivor: | solemnwarning: you can set the backend to power itself up and down |
| [16:54:21] | solemnwarning: | I'll build the frontend out of a duron 800 if the P3 won't do it |
| [16:54:28] | juski: | ivor: something was causing playback problems as I found out last night & changing the recording profile for dvb to 'tv only' cured it, seemingly |
| [16:54:29] | GreyFoxx: | that sjould work fine |
| [16:54:35] | ivor: | juski: hmm have to investigate. |
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| [16:54:50] | ivor: | juski: oh yuck |
| [16:55:08] | juski: | ivor: similar issue to a problem I had on minimyth some time ago where 2nd audio streams were causing via xvmc big problems |
| [16:55:16] | ivor: | we shouldn't be sending non-video data to the decoder |
| [16:55:28] | juski: | that was fixed by changing the recording mode to TS from PS |
| [16:55:35] | Dagmar: | heh |
| [16:55:56] | juski: | well, I dunno if that's the case or not, but that was the problem & how it got fixed |
| [16:56:49] | solemnwarning: | Would a mythtv client install fit on a 64MB flash card ok? |
| [16:56:59] | solemnwarning: | With /var mounted as a ramfs |
| [16:57:19] | Dagmar: | Nope |
| [16:57:24] | solemnwarning: | 128MB? |
| [16:57:47] | Dagmar: | Large. |
| [16:57:48] | Dagmar: | Very large. |
| [16:57:51] | solemnwarning: | 256MB? |
| [16:57:52] | Dagmar: | Learn to use du |
| [16:58:10] | solemnwarning: | I don't know where every single mythtv client file is |
| [16:58:21] | GreyFoxx: | solemnwarning: If you want it on something tiny you need to use a distro like minimyth, or slax and such |
| [16:58:24] | Dagmar: | Then there's no way in hell you're going to be able to get them onto a flash drive now, is there? |
| [16:58:38] | solemnwarning: | Why not? |
| [16:58:44] | GreyFoxx: | minimyth is 55mb compressed I think |
| [16:58:48] | Dagmar: | Because you don't even know what you're supposed to copy to the flash drive |
| [16:58:48] | solemnwarning: | uclibc, busybox |
| [16:58:52] | GreyFoxx: | not sure how big uncompressed |
| [16:59:05] | GreyFoxx: | I use to use slax+myth on a usb stick whcih was 156Meg |
| [16:59:15] | GreyFoxx: | compressed though |
| [17:00:10] | juski: | ivor: what made me suspect there's non video data going to the decoder was that timestretch cured the problem |
| [17:00:26] | juski: | minimyth uncompresses to about 120MB all in |
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| [17:01:32] | juski: | anyway I might be talking bollocks about the decoder being inundated with non-video stuff. could be anything else although the CPU wasn't exactly working hard (35% in top) |
| [17:01:33] | solemnwarning: | I would just connect the TV-out to my TV and run it all on my PC, but getting mythtv to run on tv-out without affecting the X server would probably be annoying |
| [17:02:09] | tremby: | i'm about to wipe my semi-working knoppmyth box and install fedora core 6. i'm used to gnome but the howto says to use kde — is this important? |
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| [17:04:19] | solemnwarning: | Why does mythtv have issues with some filesystems? |
| [17:04:29] | Dagmar: | It doesn't. |
| [17:04:43] | solemnwarning: | The ext3 filesystem can be made to work but requires great care in how you format and mount the volume. |
| [17:04:57] | Dagmar: | Really? |
| [17:05:04] | solemnwarning: | Quote from docs |
| [17:05:05] | juski: | what? |
| [17:05:08] | juski: | what docs? |
| [17:05:10] | tremby: | never mind, i'll try my luck with gnome. off to install. |
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| [17:05:16] | Dagmar: | Not any docs that I've seen |
| [17:05:30] | Dagmar: | Maybe someone got drunk and went after the wiki |
| [17:05:33] | solemnwarning: | http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-3.html#ss3.1 |
| [17:05:42] | solemnwarning: | Scroll down to filesystems |
| [17:05:43] | juski: | I just blindly used mke2fs /dev/hda3 |
| [17:05:49] | solemnwarning: | ext2? o_O |
| [17:05:50] | dhr: | My program guide is full of wrong info. I use zap2it (for Rogers Cable in Toronto). I don't know how it became wrong, but I fixed the channel lineup with mythfilldatabase --do-channel-updates and todays listings with mythfilldatabase --refresh-today. A plaing "mythfilldatabase" didn't fix anything. But my guide for other days is wrong. How can I fix it? |
| [17:05:57] | GreyFoxx: | solemnwarning: It's referring to performance of deletes and such and by default ext3 is pretty slow for that |
| [17:05:59] | juski: | you get my drift dammit |
| [17:06:03] | solemnwarning: | oh |
| [17:06:06] | GreyFoxx: | Myth doesn't care |
| [17:06:10] | GreyFoxx: | its the user that might |
| [17:06:22] | solemnwarning: | I thought it might use the device directly or somthing |
| [17:06:27] | GreyFoxx: | no |
| [17:06:29] | Dagmar: | No, the verbiage there is just stupid |
| [17:06:31] | juski: | take it from me, sometimes deleting 300GB of recordings in one go isn't good for your myth system |
| [17:06:37] | a1fa: | http://thesuperficial.com/2006/11/10/kevin-demands.jpg |
| [17:07:40] | Dagmar: | a1fa: Yes, so? |
| [17:07:53] | a1fa: | its hilarious |
| [17:08:03] | Dagmar: | He's asking for a private dressing room and about $100 in snacks. |
| [17:08:08] | Dagmar: | Big f'ing deal |
| [17:08:16] | a1fa: | he thinks he is a superstar |
| [17:08:22] | jduggan: | hi, watching live tv seems to work fine, but when i 'record' a show and go back to watch it, its very quiet, tinny and crackly... what should i look at to correct this? |
| [17:08:43] | Dagmar: | a1fa: Dude, a hotel room with a pair of rollaway carts could handle what he's asking for |
| [17:08:43] | juski: | jduggan: the curse of software encoding, part 10, again? |
| [17:08:57] | a1fa: | he is lame :) |
| [17:08:58] | Dagmar: | a1fa: ...and I guarantee you he probably hasn't even seen that list himself |
| [17:09:00] | a1fa: | he lost all his money |
| [17:09:10] | Dagmar: | Okay, I can't really argue that he's not lame, but this list isn't why |
| [17:09:18] | juski: | a1fa: go deface his myspace page then :) |
| [17:09:29] | opello: | lol, if you have to enumerate everything that you'd like, that isn't so bad |
| [17:09:29] | juski: | or whatever |
| [17:09:55] | opello: | and maybe they require those sort of lists, i don't know, i'm sure you don't either :) |
| [17:10:04] | Dagmar: | Actually, I do know |
| [17:10:05] | a1fa: | juski: no. he suffered enough |
| [17:10:15] | Dagmar: | Depends on the event, but sometimes you dont' get shit |
| [17:10:19] | jduggan: | juski: im using a pvr150, its encoded watching 'live' tv though? so why should a recorded show be of any different quality? |
| [17:10:30] | juski: | oh yeah the poor guy. being married to britney spears. fucking hell my heart bleeds for him |
| [17:10:42] | a1fa: | http://thesuperficial.com/2006/11/09/federline-bounce-check.jpg |
| [17:10:42] | juski: | jduggan: recording profiles :) |
| [17:10:54] | a1fa: | his chekc bounced |
| [17:10:58] | Dagmar: | Rather frequently, you have to make sure there's explicit instructions for crew to not leave sensitive electronics directly in the hot sun |
| [17:11:14] | juski: | "do not throw" |
| [17:11:37] | Dagmar: | What moron takes a starter check for $3k |
| [17:11:47] | opello: | heh |
| [17:12:23] | juski: | damn these abstract concepts like 'schedule recordings'.. how the heck am I gonna come up with new watermarks for them |
| [17:12:25] | a1fa: | its a temp check too |
| [17:12:25] | a1fa: | :P |
| [17:12:26] | Dagmar: | You can bet anything else drawn on that account will bounce, too |
| [17:12:32] | Dagmar: | That image is enough to go clean out the account. |
| [17:12:49] | Dagmar: | Checking account number, routing number, address, and even an image of his signature |
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| [17:13:09] | a1fa: | auto draft ;) |
| [17:13:16] | Dagmar: | Wire transfer |
| [17:13:16] | juski: | Dagmar: plus you have the added bonus that sod all people know what he even looks like :) |
| [17:13:26] | Dagmar: | juski: lol |
| [17:14:13] | juski: | see a pic of both him & Spears.. which one do you remember? |
| [17:14:21] | juski: | hmmmm lemme think... |
| [17:14:23] | dhr: | I'm fascinated that you guys are fascinated by Federline. |
| [17:14:31] | a1fa: | we are not fascinated |
| [17:14:41] | opello: | is he on tv? |
| [17:14:44] | Dagmar: | I remember titties |
| [17:14:46] | juski: | oh is this not #mythtv-myspace-users-chat? |
| [17:14:50] | opello: | heh |
| [17:15:30] | a1fa: | Fed-EX is done |
| [17:15:33] | a1fa: | he got his 15 months of fame |
| [17:15:43] | a1fa: | now, bye bye bye! in n-stinks fashion |
| [17:16:18] | juski: | time to k-federline this arc of conversation |
| [17:16:34] | ** Dagmar gets out the stabbing knives. ** | |
| [17:16:53] | Dagmar: | 5525 Camino Vista |
| [17:17:03] | Dagmar: | Time to take care of the problem |
| [17:17:37] | a1fa: | :) |
| [17:17:39] | a1fa: | which one |
| [17:17:42] | a1fa: | the money problem? |
| [17:17:55] | juski: | what on Earth is mythfrontend doing when you decide not to quit after all? |
| [17:18:10] | Dagmar: | juski: For me it goes back to the top level menu |
| [17:18:28] | juski: | for me it just sits there with the background for a while |
| [17:19:24] | jduggan: | juski: i think its because i have to pass an ivtvctl cmd to fix the snd during livetv... the script doesnt set it when its recording.. im using latest ivtv for 2.6.17 kernel.. is there anyway i can fix this crackle? its a pvr150 card btw |
| [17:19:49] | jduggan: | juski: btw that blue theme looks nice |
| [17:19:51] | juski: | jduggan: fix the crackle without the hackish fix |
| [17:20:09] | juski: | maybe try different firmware |
| [17:20:46] | jduggan: | hrm |
| [17:20:50] | jduggan: | ok |
| [17:21:33] | dhr: | my program guide data is wrong for Monday. Zap2it is correct. How can I get mythfilldatabase to overwrite the wrong data? |
| [17:21:34] | kash: | are those irblasters from irblaster.info supposed to be attached to the set-top box or the PC? |
| [17:22:51] | juski: | kash: the pc, then you point em at the set top box |
| [17:23:13] | kash: | what if i don't have a serial port |
| [17:23:14] | juski: | or rather put them over or near the STB's IR window |
| [17:23:29] | juski: | kash: if you don't have a serial port you need a USB IR blaster |
| [17:23:34] | juski: | and google will help you find one |
| [17:23:43] | juski: | or indeed the mythtv wiki |
| [17:24:03] | juski: | we don't spend time editing the wiki for folks not to read it |
| [17:24:13] | kash: | i read it |
| [17:24:21] | kash: | but the 'external links' didn't really explain much |
| [17:24:27] | kash: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Using_an . . . _with_MythTV |
| [17:24:29] | kash: | that ^ |
| [17:24:43] | kash: | second question |
| [17:25:00] | kash: | my tv tuner has an IR receiver.. so couldn't I just use it as a blaster? |
| [17:25:17] | juski: | reciever != blaster |
| [17:25:26] | kash: | hm |
| [17:25:38] | a1fa: | blaster == sender |
| [17:26:12] | kash: | why wouldn't my directv remote work with the receiver, then |
| [17:26:17] | kash: | different frequency? |
| [17:26:23] | juski: | different protocol |
| [17:26:34] | kash: | hm |
| [17:26:45] | juski: | some IR receivers with tv tuner cards are programmed to only respond to the remote you get with em |
| [17:26:53] | kash: | oh |
| [17:27:17] | juski: | some will let you learn other remotes, but they're rare |
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| [17:27:44] | kash: | oh my god, $50 for a USB blaster |
| [17:27:44] | kash: | :o |
| [17:28:14] | a1fa: | Your account ballance is Ö $34,422.43 |
| [17:28:22] | juski: | it's possible to change channels on STBs using serial ports in some cases. then you'd be able to use a USB serial port |
| [17:28:39] | a1fa: | stupid |
| [17:28:40] | juski: | but, most serial IR blasters & receivers will NOT work with USB serial devices |
| [17:29:00] | kash: | i found a USB converter that emulates a serial port |
| [17:29:01] | a1fa: | crazy ass programers cant spell for shit |
| [17:29:01] | kash: | $10 |
| [17:29:21] | kash: | would this.. MyBlaster one work? |
| [17:29:23] | a1fa: | i cant spell either, s/programers/programmers/ |
| [17:29:25] | kash: | http://www.mytvstore.com/product_id_001.html |
| [17:30:01] | juski: | kash: the wiki pages say so, so probably yes |
| [17:30:29] | juski: | it's usually less of a 'will it work' issue than it is a 'will *I* be able to get it to work' issue though ;) |
| [17:30:54] | kash: | wait, no it won't |
| [17:31:03] | kash: | i need the serial one with the usb converter |
| [17:31:11] | kash: | [Linux/MythTV users should purchase the MyBlaster/Serial and add a USB converter, if desired. The native MyBlaster/USB does not have a Linux driver] |
| [17:31:42] | juski: | so the MyBlaster serial is in the minority of devices which _will_ work with a USB<>serial converter |
| [17:31:54] | juski: | good news! |
| [17:31:56] | kash: | no, it's the converter they recommend |
| [17:32:01] | kash: | http://www.mytvstore.com/product_id_011.html |
| [17:32:05] | kash: | emulates a COM port |
| [17:32:15] | kash: | any serial device works with it |
| [17:32:25] | juski: | no no no no no no no no no |
| [17:32:54] | juski: | that is _not_ guaranteed |
| [17:33:33] | juski: | they say _their_ serial blaster will work with that adapter, so take their word for that and nothing else |
| [17:33:37] | kash: | wow |
| [17:33:38] | kash: | calm down |
| [17:33:48] | juski: | I don't want anyone getting the wrong idea |
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| [17:34:54] | juski: | some USB serial port adapters are not the same thing as the kind of thing you'd find on a motherboard, which is why the most basic blaster – an IR led tagged onto a couple of pins on the connector – may not work |
| [17:35:15] | juski: | however the Myblaster series of kit is more than just a dumb LED in a box |
| [17:36:32] | juski: | they put ickle CPUs in there, so what you send it is _instructions_ to send IR data, not the actual IR data carrier (like say lirc_serial would with an old fashioned serial port) |
| [17:36:45] | juski: | and that's the difference |
| [17:36:54] | juski: | which is what you're paying for |
| [17:37:45] | Dagmar: | Easier just to pay $30 for a good serial transciever |
| [17:38:00] | juski: | the USB serial port adapters might _emulate_ an olde worlde UART but they ain't the same ;) |
| [17:38:32] | juski: | complicated, innit? |
| [17:42:38] | kash: | i'm gonna try and contact DirecTV and see if there's a different receiver model with 'tivo compatibility' :) |
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| [17:47:39] | juski: | they'll say "oh yeah.. directivo" or something |
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| [17:57:12] | Dagmar: | WEll, yeah. |
| [17:58:42] | dhr: | my PVR-150 has a built in IR sender. But none of my other cards do (PVR-250, Adaptec AVC 2410, several dumb tuners). |
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| [18:03:21] | Dagmar: | *snicker* "Manufactured from marine grade Stainless Steel, Bulgin's extensive range of vandal resistant security switches are designed for use in potentially hostile environments, such as access control applications, hazardous weather areas or for your computer in your living room." |
| [18:03:30] | Dagmar: | Perhaps some people shouldn't drink quite so much. |
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| [18:22:42] | ack_f0o: | greets |
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| [18:23:04] | ack_f0o: | any lirc experts around? |
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| [18:25:49] | conreyt: | just asked over on the other channel, not sure if it's more appropriate for here or not so here goes...Is there currently (or plans for) a daap client for mythtv? |
| [18:26:49] | Mykroft: | hey i'm trying to run mythtv-setup but i don't see any menus |
| [18:27:20] | siXy: | daap? |
| [18:27:26] | Mykroft: | they're clearly there because when i press enter i'm presented with config pages but i can't see them on the main screen |
| [18:27:37] | Mykroft: | daap is itunes sharing for linux i think |
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| [18:29:25] | siXy: | Mykroft, i had that problem with juski theme (project graham). try changing theme. |
| [18:29:42] | juski: | what?! |
| [18:29:59] | juski: | the first I hear of someone having a problem with my theme & it's in here?! |
| [18:30:08] | juski: | why didn't you email me about it? |
| [18:30:57] | jduggan: | i have problems with quite a few of the themes that ship with .20 |
| [18:31:22] | jduggan: | in that when you scroll through the menu's the items you've scrolled through 'dissappear' |
| [18:31:27] | jduggan: | but they're still there |
| [18:31:37] | juski: | haha. you're using the opengl painter |
| [18:31:45] | juski: | and the themes are missing base.xml files |
| [18:31:58] | siXy: | juski – it only happend eabout 2 mins ago :) happens with qt and ogl |
| [18:32:00] | Mykroft: | how do i change themes? |
| [18:32:07] | jduggan: | juski: actually, i dont use opengl |
| [18:32:14] | jduggan: | since it caused my x to crash |
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| [18:32:26] | juski: | siXy: in mythtv-setup ? |
| [18:32:28] | jduggan: | opengl painter, that is |
| [18:32:33] | juski: | never tested it with mythtv-setup |
| [18:32:39] | conreyt: | siXy: Daap = how itunes is sharing music across the network. there are linux servers for daap (mt-daapd) however I'd like my mythtv to use as a client to access someones itunes dir. as they com onto my network. i.e. Friend brings a laptop over. Using either itunes (win or mac), banshee or rhythmbox (linux) I can access thier music shares via my mythtv. |
| [18:32:40] | siXy: | no in the frontend |
| [18:32:55] | juski: | siXy: all I'll say is.. "works fine here (tm)" |
| [18:33:06] | juski: | send me screenshots |
| [18:33:23] | juski: | try clearing out the themecache too |
| [18:33:24] | siXy: | ah but thinking about it im using aiglx to hardware accelerate the desktop anyway, so qt is using opengl. so thats probably the problem, right there. |
| [18:33:41] | juski: | bah you & your alpha software |
| [18:33:43] | juski: | ;) |
| [18:33:45] | siXy: | heh |
| [18:34:02] | conreyt: | tweaked discription.... I can see those shares already using the clients described.... I'd like to be able to do that with mythtv as well. are there plugin's for that? |
| [18:34:22] | juski: | plugin's ? who's plugin? |
| [18:34:24] | siXy: | having a wierd problem tho – the frontend cant connect to the backend (remote machine) yet its still making changes to the database so it clearly can connect... |
| [18:35:03] | siXy: | conreyt, thats the kind of plugin you need to write yourself :) |
| [18:35:22] | conreyt: | siXy: so no then. |
| [18:35:42] | siXy: | not as far as i know. its something taths right on the edge of mythtv's remit |
| [18:35:49] | conreyt: | juski: english!=first language... but thanks for the english lesson. |
| [18:36:02] | conreyt: | remit? |
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| [18:36:17] | juski: | conreyt: it's ok. rogue apostrophes really piss me off ;) |
| [18:36:46] | siXy: | uh. remit means job/mission/task |
| [18:36:51] | conreyt: | juski: wow hate to see you with a semicolon on the loose.... |
| [18:36:59] | juski: | lol |
| [18:37:21] | juski: | anyway the beauty about mythtv being open source is (of course) anybody can write stuff for it |
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| [18:37:35] | conreyt: | assuming that they can "write stuff for it" |
| [18:37:54] | conreyt: | otherwise they hang out in mythtv-users channels.... oh wait... |
| [18:37:54] | siXy: | juski: any idea why the fronend says it cannot connect to the backend, when it is actually connected? |
| [18:38:24] | GreyFoxx: | siXy: Talking to the mysql database is not the same thing as connecting to the mythbackjend process |
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| [18:39:11] | siXy: | GreyFoxx, i thought it only wrote to the database if cnnected to a backend |
| [18:39:17] | GreyFoxx: | Nope |
| [18:39:42] | siXy: | ah ok. then i have missed somehting in the backend setup methinks. |
| [18:40:13] | GreyFoxx: | Either your backend isn't running, or it's running on an IP that the frontend can'treach,OR you haven't set the Master backend setting (mythtv-setup) to point to the right location |
| [18:40:45] | siXy: | ahhhiptables typo :( |
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| [18:40:58] | GreyFoxx: | that would do it :) |
| [18:41:14] | siXy: | yeah :/ thanks |
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| [18:48:04] | siXy: | ok now this is odd. the frontend will now connect just fine, but starts up inmythgallery and wont exit back to the menu :( |
| [18:48:37] | siXy: | as nice as mythgallery is... tv would be nice |
| [18:49:21] | Dibblah: | You have some media inserted. |
| [18:49:27] | Dibblah: | With pictures? |
| [18:49:28] | siXy: | nope :( |
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| [18:55:57] | siXy: | anyone know of a setting that would cause mythfrontend to start up in mythgallery? |
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| [19:01:41] | juski: | what the? I can't see some of my videos over an nfs share |
| [19:01:51] | scopeuk: | is it a sign im turning into an audiophile when im looking at £150 head phones and can hear compresion artifacts in a 320k mp3? |
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| [19:02:11] | juski: | changed ownership of the files I can't see to the same user&group as the files I _can_ see, but still no dice |
| [19:02:23] | juski: | scopeuk: it's a sign you've not listened to enough loud music :) |
| [19:02:51] | scopeuk: | juski this is the thing i spend hours stood infront of the 32k stacks at our events |
| [19:02:53] | siXy: | juski you might need to restart nfs |
| [19:03:12] | scopeuk: | leaning on a 2k sub at full wack is great |
| [19:03:15] | siXy: | scopeuk, i can hear problems with all mp3s |
| [19:03:15] | scopeuk: | i should be fdeaf ffs |
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| [19:03:25] | scopeuk: | siXy its nasty i never use to |
| [19:03:38] | scopeuk: | then ive been teching live gigs infrotn of a good pa system and suddenly im hearing it |
| [19:03:52] | juski: | siXy: sill no dice |
| [19:04:14] | juski: | scopeuk: maybe they were quick & dirty encodes |
| [19:04:24] | scopeuk: | juski possibly but this is all of em |
| [19:05:09] | scopeuk: | furtunately i dotn have a dat player or record deck here or i might turn into some for of elitist |
| [19:05:13] | juski: | hmm this isn't an nfs filesize limitation either |
| [19:06:50] | ** scopeuk whould try and help but all i know about ntfs is i have the mcrosoft impilientation installed on my xp box ** | |
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| [19:12:51] | juski: | fecking hell's bells |
| [19:13:03] | juski: | can't test this cos mrs juski is watching fecking emmerdull |
| [19:13:14] | juski: | rm -rf / |
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| [19:13:19] | juski: | whoops |
| [19:13:23] | juski: | sudo rm -rf / |
| [19:13:52] | psofa: | sounds cool |
| [19:13:57] | psofa: | :P |
| [19:14:23] | juski: | this is just silly. minimyth doesn't see the changes to the dir at all |
| [19:14:35] | juski: | umount, restart nfs.. still the same |
| [19:15:22] | juski: | huh? my export file says the dir is exported ro yet minimyth reckons it's rw |
| [19:16:27] | scopeuk: | juski it mounting the right folder? |
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| [19:16:37] | juski: | the right dir? yes |
| [19:17:02] | juski: | how the fuck can it be mounting rw when exports says only ro ? |
| [19:17:20] | juski: | 192.168.1.10:/media/movies on /media/movies type nfs (rw,addr=192.168.1.10) |
| [19:17:38] | juski: | and here's the line from /etc/exports: |
| [19:17:39] | juski: | /media/movies 192.168.1.11(ro,sync,no_root_squash) |
| [19:18:04] | juski: | weird! |
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| [19:19:28] | RyeBrye: | What's the best way to handle building from SVN in a system I plan to be using regularly? |
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| [19:19:58] | RyeBrye: | Should I keep one version in /usr/bin that is my "tested" version and one in /usr/local/bin that is my "production" version? |
| [19:20:06] | RyeBrye: | err – rather "testing" not production |
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| [19:27:46] | juski: | ahh the files I can't see seem to have a groupid which doesn't exist on the minimyth box |
| [19:30:03] | juski: | noooo! chowning them all to root means the owner is updated when I list them on the remote box, but there are still 3 files I can't see |
| [19:32:13] | juski: | ROFLMAO |
| [19:32:41] | juski: | busybox's ls treats filenames case sensitively by default |
| [19:32:51] | juski: | shows caps first |
| [19:32:58] | juski: | ubuntu lists em differently |
| [19:33:03] | juski: | where's my revolver? |
| [19:33:16] | dhr: | possibly a feature of your locale? |
| [19:33:24] | hjohnson: | the filesystem is case sensative anyhow, it's just how they're sorted.. |
| [19:33:29] | hjohnson: | whether the display sort is case sensative or not |
| [19:34:50] | juski: | yeah well whatever. the sorting order is different on both by default |
| [19:35:24] | juski: | the files starting with 'X' are listed at the end of Ubuntu's ls, where busybox's ls showed them somewhere in the middle, hence me missing em |
| [19:35:31] | dhr: | on my FC5 box, "ls" and "LANG=C ls" sort differently. |
| [19:35:43] | juski: | that'll teach me not to do ls -al |grep X |
| [19:35:57] | ** juski guns his ubuntu box to fuck ** | |
| [19:36:22] | juski: | cursed thing. making me learn new stuff |
| [19:36:32] | juski: | ;) |
| [19:36:32] | dhr: | set your LANG environment variable to C and be happy. |
| [19:37:03] | juski: | haha. there's no $LANG on the minimyth box |
| [19:37:14] | dhr: | no, on your dektop. |
| [19:37:29] | juski: | I don't run a desktop on my minimyth box |
| [19:37:46] | juski: | X & fluxbox |
| [19:37:49] | juski: | all I need |
| [19:38:06] | juski: | anyway I know now to watch out for that one |
| [19:38:59] | dhr: | Ubuntu ls, wherever that is running, is paying attention to LANG. I guess busybox is not. |
| [19:40:26] | juski: | extra environments would take up valuable room in minimyth anyway |
| [19:42:03] | dhr: | sure. but en_US is enough to get you the surprising (i.e. non-ASCII) collating sequence. |
| [19:42:17] | CZi: | can anyone help me find/tune channels? I have a combi dvb/analog tuner (HVR-1300) |
| [19:42:46] | juski: | CZi: you can't set myth up to use both parts of that card AFAIK. one or the other |
| [19:43:58] | CZi: | juski: ok, I have tried to add two tuners, 1 dvb and 1 V4L (tried mpeg-2 too) but I get no picture |
| [19:44:21] | CZi: | on either one |
| [19:44:36] | juski: | CZi: have you tested it out? i.e. mplayer to test the mpeg2 side of it & dvb-utils (scan & tzap) to test the dvb side ? |
| [19:45:47] | CZi: | juski: yes, and scan can not find any channels with dvb – possible because I do not have the right frekvens |
| [19:46:13] | juski: | CZi: if dvb-utils scan doesn't work, don't hold out any hope of mythtv finding any channels |
| [19:46:15] | CZi: | I need something like a "scan all" function |
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| [19:50:11] | CZi: | how do I find out "where" my channels are, without the frequencies? |
| [19:51:09] | juski: | you need an initial tuning file |
| [19:51:15] | juski: | where do you live? |
| [19:51:46] | dhr: | I have 3 tuners connected to my analogue cable. All described by the same zap2it account. Why does mythfilldatabase download the same data three times? |
| [19:51:47] | CZi: | Denmark |
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| [19:52:18] | juski: | dhr: because you didn't associate the same video source to all three tuners |
| [19:52:49] | juski: | CZi: http://linuxtv.org/hg/dvb-apps?f=f91b760b2789 . . . style=gitweb |
| [19:53:26] | juski: | you should do scan /foo/bar/dk-Tommerup – where /foo/bar are the location where the dk-Tommerup file lives |
| [19:54:31] | CZi: | juski: aha, I have been looking for a dk file all of yesterday |
| [19:55:07] | CZi: | juski: that is why I stop trying the dvb and started on the analog solution... :) |
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| [19:57:15] | CZi: | juski: >>> tuning failed .. |
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| [19:59:43] | mirak: | is there a way to adjust the mythtv ahead of on time shift mode ? |
| [20:01:48] | dhr: | mythtv-setup seems really slow over ssh (on LAN). Perhaps because it is painting by 2560x1600 screen, but still... |
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| [20:02:44] | juski: | CZi: go see the nice guys in #linuxtv for help getting your dvb card to scan |
| [20:03:36] | dhr: | juski: I just checked. There is only one zap2it under mythtv-setup: video source. So all three tuners must be associated with the same video source. |
| [20:03:53] | juski: | dhr: so it shouldn't be downloading the data 3 times then |
| [20:04:03] | ** juski is off to watch movies & stuff ** | |
| [20:04:46] | scopeuk: | interesting http://www.micronas.com/products/by_function/ . . . s/index.html apparently has linux drivers avaliable |
| [20:05:01] | scopeuk: | hardware H.264 hd decoding |
| [20:05:15] | scopeuk: | now to lay my hands on one |
| [20:05:56] | mirak: | hem mythtv have problems reading enrypted channels |
| [20:06:19] | mirak: | it stalls on them, it's not convenient to zap |
| [20:08:49] | mirak: | the frontend is crashing. |
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| [20:09:39] | mirak: | Some channels are encrypted just sometime in the day, and free the other days, so it's not practical if you want to zap to one of them |
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| [20:16:59] | dhr: | I have 4 tuner cards in my box. Card 3 isn't connected to any source. When I leave mythty-setup, it warns me, 4 times: "Card 0 (type ) is set to start on channel 2, which does not exist". This seems to be nonsense: channel 2 does exist for all but the last card. The last card does not have a starting channel. The starting channel for some to the other cards is not 2 (didn't check them all). What is it actual |
| [20:16:59] | dhr: | ly complaining about? |
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| [20:22:12] | kash: | juski: i bought a new directv receiver, serial cables and stuff. |
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| [21:02:32] | clop: | hi, does anyone know how to configure a radeon 7000 card to have dual-head: (1) using the monitor, and (2) using the s-video port for the tv? |
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| [21:27:36] | k-man: | hello |
| [21:28:34] | k-man: | when i click on a video in mythweb, 2022_20061112060000.mpg does not exist in the recordings directory.i get this error: |
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| [21:30:18] | siXy: | clop there are litterally hundreds of howtos on the internet on how to do that. its not very hard. |
| [21:31:25] | dhr: | clop left a while ago. |
| [21:32:49] | psofa: | lol |
| [21:33:37] | siXy: | heh |
| [21:33:41] | siXy: | so he did |
| [21:33:52] | siXy: | no patience :/ |
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| [21:35:12] | Ediehow: | what's the best .mov editor in linux? |
| [21:35:15] | Ediehow: | for mpeg2 files |
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| [21:40:43] | Ediehow: | quicktime files, really |
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| [22:05:57] | juski: | it's oh, so quiet :) |
| [22:06:45] | dhr: | juski: you finished your actual TV watching, and are now back to the meta level? |
| [22:06:52] | juski: | pretty much |
| [22:06:59] | juski: | i.e. I lost control of my remote |
| [22:07:08] | juski: | the remote I wrote the protocol & config for |
| [22:07:21] | juski: | but on the plus side I can get back to my theming |
| [22:07:37] | dhr: | you should use the backdoor you stuck in your code. |
| [22:08:09] | juski: | lol |
| [22:08:11] | juski: | as if.. |
| [22:08:32] | juski: | if mythtv 'breaks' one or two more times, the vcr allegedly has to make a return |
| [22:09:08] | juski: | although if the vcr is 'broken' ... i.e. someone desoldered its IR receiver (for example)... ;) |
| [22:09:42] | dhr: | I'm onto metabugs. I hit a bug in mythweb that generates page telling me to send a bug report, But the link on that page isn't working. |
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| [22:09:57] | juski: | despite us not actually owning any VHS tapes anymore... |
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| [22:10:10] | juski: | dhr: really? oof. what did you do to make it do that? |
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| [22:11:30] | dhr: | Somehow the program guide got curdled (see my previous questions). Fixed now. But one upcoming recording was weird, so I tried to delete it using mythweb. That caused the error page to pop up. |
| [22:12:02] | juski: | I think I've seen something similar to that |
| [22:12:12] | dhr: | It is repeatable (i.e. the upcoming recording entry is unchanged, so I can do this again). |
| [22:12:16] | juski: | the channel name is blank? |
| [22:13:02] | dhr: | No, it is a legitimate channel. But the program isn't on that channel (one network's news on another network's channel!) |
| [22:14:11] | juski: | I had something show up in my upcoming recordings where I'd set something to record at the same time every week. it showed up in the upcoming recordings list beneath another show (one scheduled to record) but with a blank channel name. had to delete it from the recording schedules because clicking on it from the upcoming recordings list only brought up the actual show for that time, not the 'ghost' |
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| [22:14:15] | dhr: | I think that while the channel lineup was curdled, the entry got morphed somehow. Note that this explanation is pure superstition, and unverified. |
| [22:14:56] | juski: | you could maybe work around it like I did & delete it from the recording schedules |
| [22:14:57] | dhr: | Yeah: if I click on the show, I get what's on in that time/channel slot. |
| [22:15:16] | juski: | we should see if it's filed as a bug |
| [22:15:48] | dhr: | I will try to delete it from mythfrontend rather than mythweb. But yes, I want to report it. But the link is either broken or the server is ill. |
| [22:16:05] | dhr: | link: https://svn.mythtv.org/trac/newticket |
| [22:16:36] | juski: | http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/2537 |
| [22:17:23] | juski: | ergo, the programme table is screwed, work around it :) |
| [22:19:19] | dhr: | why does the link you gave me work while the one mythweb gave me hang? http vs https? |
| [22:19:52] | dhr: | the failure message I get, from my browser, is "The connection has timed out" |
| [22:20:09] | juski: | this'd work |
| [22:20:11] | juski: | http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/newticket |
| [22:20:41] | dhr: | yes, but why not https? |
| [22:20:49] | juski: | but I don't think it'll be treated as a bug once it's established your database is a little fubar |
| [22:21:09] | juski: | well maybe not fubar, but a teeny bit monged |
| [22:21:36] | juski: | delete the old schedule then all will be well again |
| [22:21:47] | dhr: | Fair enough. I really would like to know how it got mucked up. |
| [22:21:58] | juski: | I know how mine did |
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| [22:22:11] | dhr: | Of course I *am* trying to delete teh schedule, and that is provoking the problem :-) |
| [22:22:27] | juski: | click on 'recording schedules' though |
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| [22:22:47] | juski: | I think the reason it fails on the upcoming recordings page is because of the search method used |
| [22:23:58] | dhr: | wow: that worked. Thanks. Still: it leaves me with a lower comfort level. |
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| [22:24:23] | juski: | what were you doing? adding/deleting/changing/renumbering channels? |
| [22:25:13] | juski: | I think maybe if you'd deleted a channel then re-added it again, it'd have a different chanid. the user never sees the chanid (it's a key I think) & it's used in lots of queries |
| [22:25:15] | dhr: | I don't think that I was doing anything. I did add another non-master Myth Box. |
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| [22:26:03] | juski: | ach well |
| [22:26:08] | dhr: | then, or shortly thereafter, the channel lineup was screwey and the program guide was contorted. |
| [22:26:11] | juski: | see if it rears its head again, then worry |
| [22:26:41] | juski: | now how the heck do I get xine to print out its nice list of lirc config attributes again? |
| [22:29:14] | dhr: | oh oh. Recording Schedules and Upcoming Recordings show different channel for one program. |
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| [22:31:17] | juski: | WHAAAAA! minimyth just crashed. the reason? oh someone was only trying to ffw at 50x. that's it. ffw & rew buttons are getting remapped to 30 sec skips |
| [22:31:23] | Ediehow: | what is minimyth? |
| [22:31:31] | juski: | Ediehow: what is google? |
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| [22:31:39] | Ediehow: | juski: exactly! |
| [22:32:13] | Ediehow: | oh, just a distro |
| [22:32:40] | GreyFoxx: | a compact distro specifically designed for users withEPIA boards |
| [22:32:54] | Ediehow: | /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lGL |
| [22:32:55] | dhr: | oh oh. Recording Schedules and Upcoming Recordings show different channel for MANY program. |
| [22:32:56] | Ediehow: | crapper |
| [22:33:21] | juski: | Ediehow: 1d ? did you mean ld ? |
| [22:33:35] | Ediehow: | i don't get it, i have /usr/lib/libGL* |
| [22:33:47] | juski: | like I was confuzzled by a 'patch -pl < patchy.txt' |
| [22:34:12] | juski: | and even puzzled by the error 'l' is not a number. I'm going.. it bloody is... |
| [22:34:21] | juski: | stoopid font |
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| [22:35:02] | dhr: | -p1? about stripping pathname prefixes. |
| [22:36:41] | juski: | lower case version of 'L' was what I'd typed because that's what I *thought* it said on the webpage |
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| [22:37:04] | dhr: | cut and paste, don't read & write :-) |
| [22:37:32] | ** juski laughs ** | |
| [22:38:05] | juski: | we've got to be careful or we'll evolve less fingers |
| [22:38:28] | dhr: | have you counted the buttons on new mice? |
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| [22:38:53] | juski: | counting? wassat? |
| [22:39:06] | dhr: | something you do on your fingers. |
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| [22:39:13] | dhr: | base 16? |
| [22:39:13] | juski: | ohhh _that_ |
| [22:40:36] | ** juski wonders how many buttons a remote would need to have to be able to control every single xine option ** | |
| [22:43:06] | scopeuk: | juski whould have to be bigger than a keyboard |
| [22:43:17] | Zider: | he would? |
| [22:43:23] | scopeuk: | oh yeh |
| [22:43:27] | Zider: | gosh |
| [22:43:33] | Zider: | he's so tiny now |
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| [22:45:31] | juski: | hey! |
| [22:46:05] | juski: | I may be small in stature but I still have an ego that can be bruised |
| [22:46:15] | juski: | :-P |
| [22:46:17] | dhr: | oh — tell us how! |
| [22:46:34] | juski: | slag off my themes & say my expo efforts stank |
| [22:47:04] | juski: | actually no. people have tried to make me go away before. it didn't work then |
| [22:47:12] | Zider: | your expo efforts stank! |
| [22:47:15] | Zider: | ..what expo? |
| [22:47:53] | Zider: | and what's this "theme" thing you keep talking about? |
| [22:47:55] | Zider: | ;) |
| [22:47:58] | juski: | http://mythtvguy.wordpress.com/2006/10/27/lin . . . expo-report/ |
| [22:47:59] | dhr: | Themes for what? Myth itself or the DVDs it burns? |
| [22:48:12] | juski: | myth. don't get me started on DVD themes yet |
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| [22:48:22] | Zider: | *gets juski started* |
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| [22:48:31] | juski: | I did some of the intro vids as it happens |
| [22:48:49] | dhr: | the dvds I burn have menus that kind of hang on my DVD player (hardware). |
| [22:48:55] | juski: | last thing I did was try to get my 3d-fu back up to scratch to do a 3d animated logo |
| [22:48:55] | Ediehow: | juski: is it possible to export seconds 2 through 8 from a 10 second mov file? |
| [22:49:10] | juski: | Ediehow: see www.videohelp.com |
| [22:49:42] | Ediehow: | looking for a linux util to do it |
| [22:49:49] | Ediehow: | someone said avidemux does it, but it doesn't seem to load the files for me |
| [22:50:01] | juski: | quicktime sucks donkey nuts |
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| [22:50:06] | Ediehow: | ok |
| [22:50:23] | juski: | convert it from that crippled format into something else then edit it |
| [22:51:01] | dhr: | every conversion is a loss, unless you mean switching container types rather than the actual contained encoding. |
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| [22:51:14] | dhr: | QuickTime is a container, isn't it? |
| [22:51:26] | juski: | and codecs |
| [22:51:36] | Ediehow: | well, my cam only records qt |
| [22:51:38] | juski: | depends on what format is inside the container |
| [22:51:56] | Ediehow: | kodak dx6340 |
| [22:51:59] | Zider: | throw the cam in the bin :P |
| [22:52:01] | juski: | might only be mpeg1 so you may be able to export it |
| [22:52:24] | juski: | Zider: you seen the new thing I'm working on? |
| [22:52:33] | Zider: | juski: don't think so? |
| [22:52:48] | juski: | www.juski.co.uk/new2.png thru new6.png |
| [22:53:53] | GreyFoxx: | juski: I like the look of that :) |
| [22:54:05] | juski: | funnily enough, so do I ! |
| [22:54:09] | GreyFoxx: | heh |
| [22:54:10] | Zider: | juski: oh nice |
| [22:54:14] | GreyFoxx: | I would use that |
| [22:54:15] | juski: | and I like what I'm hearing from folks about it too |
| [22:54:32] | juski: | it's gonna be frickin HUGE when it's finished though |
| [22:54:36] | GreyFoxx: | One thing that would be nifty is if myth could be configured to "curve" the menuitems |
| [22:54:46] | GreyFoxx: | and maybe move them around instead of the selection bar moving |
| [22:54:46] | GreyFoxx: | heh |
| [22:54:49] | juski: | haha. tell me about it |
| [22:55:00] | ** scopeuk ponders what its liek to have a life ** | |
| [22:55:05] | juski: | proper horizontal menus too |
| [22:55:23] | dhr: | juski: when theming, can you reorganize the menu? I presume not, but the current structure seems a bit awkward. |
| [22:55:39] | Zider: | I'm still more fond of the grayhem theme tho.. black is my "color" ;) |
| [22:55:41] | juski: | dhr: you can customise everything about the menu layout |
| [22:55:53] | juski: | if you can be bothered |
| [22:55:55] | juski: | ;) |
| [22:56:03] | dhr: | but not the hierarchy, right? |
| [22:56:12] | RyeBrye: | I heard 0.20 supports animated menus, doesn't it? |
| [22:56:36] | juski: | depends what you call 'animated' |
| [22:56:47] | juski: | there's a fade you can get pissed off with & turn off |
| [22:56:52] | RyeBrye: | Oh, that's it? |
| [22:56:58] | RyeBrye: | no animated background images? |
| [22:57:00] | GreyFoxx: | The OpenGL painter does, though I don;'t know of anything using it |
| [22:57:14] | juski: | until some 3D guru helps Isaac rewrite the UI |
| [22:57:43] | juski: | oh and there's a cheesy-ish alpha fade effect you can do too |
| [22:57:44] | ** RyeBrye wants to make a TiVo-clone theme that would have little wavy smoke in the background ** | |
| [22:58:13] | juski: | you realise that it'd be possible (in theory) to make menu backgrounds as videos |
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| [22:58:37] | juski: | but again that depends on the ui rewrite aswell |
| [22:58:39] | RyeBrye: | I was thinking of useless ways to add eye-candy using OpenGL effects... I thought it would be cool if you have LiveTV on to have different tuners mapped to different faces of a cube that you could rotate around and stuff |
| [22:58:41] | sm007h: | hey everyone |
| [22:58:53] | sm007h: | I'm having a problem with my dB. can someone give me some data so I can rebuild my indexes? |
| [22:59:01] | RyeBrye: | Have a menu on the top of the cube, and then different live TV channels on the faces... |
| [22:59:05] | RyeBrye: | It would be completely useless |
| [22:59:08] | juski: | RyeBrye: I'd call that POOP. Picture on-on picture :) |
| [22:59:13] | RyeBrye: | but it would make for cool screnshots |
| [22:59:15] | RyeBrye: | yeah :) |
| [22:59:34] | RyeBrye: | I want POOP |
| [22:59:36] | juski: | let's just get mythmusic working better first. screw the eye candy |
| [22:59:41] | RyeBrye: | Oh, true |
| [22:59:47] | ** RyeBrye never uses mythmusic ** | |
| [23:00:01] | sm007h: | I dont' have an index in table schemalock, can someone give me the index in that table so I can manually enter it? |
| [23:00:03] | juski: | reminds me.. where's siXy been lately? |
| [23:00:15] | sm007h: | or how do I rebuild the indexes since I've got like 10 missing ones? |
| [23:00:20] | juski: | sm007h: oh noes! you didn't back up the database? |
| [23:00:26] | RyeBrye: | is there a bot that has a "seen" command to tell you that? (about siXy) |
| [23:00:30] | sm007h: | not this last time, nope |
| [23:00:34] | juski: | !seen siXy |
| [23:00:34] | MythLogBot: | siXy is here and has been idle for 1 hour 26 minutes 42 seconds |
| [23:00:45] | sm007h: | I went to back it up and found these errors in it. |
| [23:00:59] | juski: | sm007h: tried mysqlcheck ? |
| [23:01:20] | sm007h: | will that rebuild missining indexes and delete duplicate keys? |
| [23:01:26] | juski: | I dunno |
| [23:02:20] | RyeBrye: | at the very least it should consume time and make your computer appear to be doing something ;) |
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| [23:06:41] | sm007h: | ok, I ran a bunch of check, optimize, and repairs on the dB |
| [23:07:37] | sm007h: | but when I look at some tables in phpmyadmin, some of them report that "No index defined!" |
| [23:07:51] | sm007h: | can someone look at their tables and tell me if this is normal or broken? |
| [23:07:56] | RyeBrye: | Here's an idea for MythGallery: |
| [23:07:57] | RyeBrye: | Maybe implenting a DPAP server (digital photo access protocol) and then implementing a DPAP reader in the frontend would be a good way of doing that... plus the same DPAP reader in the frontend could then read shares from other DPAP sharing servers than just the backend... such as anyone using iPhoto |
| [23:08:24] | RyeBrye: | err... by "doign that" I mean allowing the MythGallery on the frontend to get photos from the backend server |
| [23:08:51] | RyeBrye: | Here's a perl module to connect to dpap servers: http://search.cpan.org/~lbrocard/Net-DPAP-Cli . . . AP/Client.pm |
| [23:09:19] | sm007h: | I have three errors that I need to try and resolve: using mythweb: clicking on recorded programs is really slow, once the page loads, there are no png preview caps, and in the job que, I get that there is a commflag error |
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| [23:11:58] | sm007h: | can anyone help me where to look for any of those errors? |
| [23:14:30] | r3z: | ANyone good with lirc? |
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| [23:16:13] | PointyPumper: | sm007h |
| [23:16:27] | PointyPumper: | do u have the right permisions in the store folder |
| [23:16:28] | PointyPumper: | ? |
| [23:16:37] | sm007h: | which foldder? |
| [23:16:39] | PointyPumper: | i use to have the same problem |
| [23:16:50] | PointyPumper: | directory xD usualy /var/lib/mythtv/ |
| [23:16:52] | sm007h: | the folder where the videos are? |
| [23:16:55] | PointyPumper: | yeap |
| [23:17:03] | sm007h: | what perms do you have? |
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| [23:17:28] | PointyPumper: | right now none :P the box is unplugged, im doing some things in my the room |
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| [23:17:32] | PointyPumper: | i dont remember |
| [23:17:49] | PointyPumper: | wich owner/group/etc do u have? |
| [23:17:53] | sm007h: | I believe I do. I have mythtv as ownder |
| [23:17:55] | PointyPumper: | for that dir |
| [23:18:02] | sm007h: | mythtv:smbusers |
| [23:18:11] | PointyPumper: | just a lil test |
| [23:18:14] | PointyPumper: | try 777 |
| [23:18:28] | sm007h: | ln -l is drwxrwsr-x |
| [23:18:41] | sm007h: | I dont want it to be 777 do I? |
| [23:18:48] | PointyPumper: | just for now |
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| [23:19:35] | PointyPumper: | i had the same problem, mythtv wasnt able to write to the dir (i dont know why) |
| [23:19:44] | PointyPumper: | i think that was cause i fucked the user system xD |
| [23:19:57] | PointyPumper: | or the start up script (the user and shit) |
| [23:20:12] | sm007h: | which of my problems will this solve? myth can write to the directory. the videos record fine and are retrievable |
| [23:20:15] | PointyPumper: | the the backend wasnt able to build the thumbnail |
| [23:20:54] | PointyPumper: | dont know, what exactly happened in my case, but there was some kind of problem in there with the write perms |
| [23:21:01] | PointyPumper: | try for 5 minutes in 777 |
| [23:21:04] | sm007h: | oh, so even if it can make the mpg, but it may not be able to make the png |
| [23:21:06] | PointyPumper: | the u go back to 775 |
| [23:25:34] | sm007h: | Pointy, ok, I'm checking on something real quick here |
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| [23:31:26] | mirak: | anyone knows where is the mythtv svn web interface ? |
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| [23:32:12] | GreyFoxx: | svn.mythtv.org/trac |
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| [23:39:00] | sm007h: | PointyPumper: 777 didn't resolve it |
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| [23:39:52] | sm007h: | what's this error: unable to find mythcommflag? I googled it but couldn't find a resolution |
| [23:41:30] | mirak: | GreyFoxx: I am in the code, but have no idea when read or write is done |
| [23:41:46] | PointyPumper: | mythcommflag its the binary of the commercial flaggin :S |
| [23:41:55] | PointyPumper: | strange error |
| [23:41:55] | PointyPumper: | xD |
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| [23:41:57] | sm007h: | yeah, don't know why it can't find it |
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| [23:42:13] | sm007h: | my path is correct, already checked that |
| [23:43:17] | sm007h: | 777 didn't fix my png issue |
| [23:43:47] | PointyPumper: | yeap, saw that xD |
| [23:43:54] | PointyPumper: | strange |
| [23:44:08] | PointyPumper: | had u try using -v all ? |
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| [23:44:13] | Fremean: | Hey folks |
| [23:44:14] | sm007h: | actually, doing alocate doesn't show up mythcomm |
| [23:44:24] | sm007h: | -v all? |
| [23:44:31] | PointyPumper: | vervose |
| [23:44:34] | PointyPumper: | the backend |
| [23:44:37] | sm007h: | oh right |
| [23:44:42] | Fremean: | I got 2 questions. 1) The new eject button isn't working but I can type eject from the console, is there something I havn't set up? |
| [23:44:43] | sm007h: | yeah, Ithink that's set. let me check |
| [23:44:50] | PointyPumper: | verbose |
| [23:44:53] | PointyPumper: | that xD |
| [23:45:08] | Fremean: | 2) one of my channels has no sound on standard def, I can only get sound on high-def, anyone think of a reason behind that? )c: |
| [23:45:20] | sm007h: | right, let me check that |
| [23:45:35] | PointyPumper: | when i had this problem (mythweb slow) |
| [23:45:41] | sm007h: | yeah, I have verbose all |
| [23:46:03] | PointyPumper: | i've seen strange things in the log telling me that the path to the pictures coulnd be open or something |
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| [23:46:40] | PointyPumper: | the mythweb waited till all thumb creation timed out |
| [23:46:50] | PointyPumper: | and it was like 4 secs for each video |
| [23:47:12] | sm007h: | ah, that sounds like it |
| [23:47:23] | PointyPumper: | then i found that the problem were the write permisions |
| [23:47:27] | sm007h: | http://smooth.hopto.org/mythtv.log |
| [23:47:28] | PointyPumper: | but if u tryed 777 :/ |
| [23:47:31] | sm007h: | can you access that? |
| [23:47:33] | PointyPumper: | i dont know what could be happening |
| [23:47:39] | PointyPumper: | yeap |
| [23:48:04] | PointyPumper: | its like... large xD |
| [23:48:23] | sm007h: | ye[ |
| [23:48:27] | sm007h: | it's -v all :D |
| [23:48:51] | PointyPumper: | how many megs? |
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| [23:49:28] | sm007h: | is the file? |
| [23:49:56] | sm007h: | how many megs of what? |
| [23:50:07] | PointyPumper: | the file xD |
| [23:50:12] | PointyPumper: | aa |
| [23:50:12] | PointyPumper: | there |
| [23:50:48] | PointyPumper: | 2006-11–11 14:46:49.926 RingBuf(/media/videos/mythtv/1005_20061111144701.mpg.png): Could not open /media/videos/mythtv/1005_20061111144701.mpg.png. |
| [23:50:53] | PointyPumper: | had the same problem |
| [23:50:56] | PointyPumper: | xD |
| [23:51:05] | sm007h: | I don't think it's more than 4megs |
| [23:51:28] | PointyPumper: | dont know if its the same problem, but that was the thing that was laggin mythweb |
| [23:51:30] | sm007h: | couldn't open the png because it doesn't exist though |
| [23:52:00] | sm007h: | somethings wrong though, I dont remember the log being that large before. even with -v all. |
| [23:52:23] | PointyPumper: | 2006-11–11 14:46:56.495 RingBuf(/media/videos/mythtv/1005_20061111144700.mpg.png): Could not open /media/videos/mythtv/1005_20061111144700.mpg.png. |
| [23:52:31] | PointyPumper: | wait a sec |
| [23:52:33] | PointyPumper: | xD |
| [23:52:40] | PointyPumper: | that is also opening for writing sm007h |
| [23:52:54] | sm007h: | I'm going to erase all of my recordings and see what's up |
| [23:53:28] | PointyPumper: | k |
| [23:53:46] | sm007h: | but why don't I have mythtcomm on my cmoputer anymore? |
| [23:53:57] | PointyPumper: | make a new log before trying to see it on mythweb so we can see whats happening |
| [23:53:58] | PointyPumper: | but |
| [23:53:59] | PointyPumper: | 2006-11–11 14:46:49.985 read <- 18 76 ANN FileTransfer utopia[]:[]/media/videos/mythtv/1005_20061111144700.mpg.png |
| [23:54:13] | PointyPumper: | thats the kind of "message" mythweb send to the backend to create the thumb |
| [23:54:23] | PointyPumper: | and 5 secs after that |
| [23:54:24] | sm007h: | I'll make a new log |
| [23:54:29] | sm007h: | that was a new log before I sent it though |
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| [23:54:34] | PointyPumper: | k |
| [23:55:04] | PointyPumper: | 7 secs timeout |
| [23:55:30] | PointyPumper: | yea, the commflag thing is really weird :S |
| [23:55:40] | PointyPumper: | asd, dont know how to spell it -_- |
| [23:56:09] | sm007h: | I'm using the latest mythtv, .20_p11626 |
| [23:56:13] | sm007h: | is there an issue with that? |
| [23:57:02] | PointyPumper: | svn one? i have the one that its built for debian on the marillat repo |
| [23:57:15] | PointyPumper: | i dont know for newer versions xD |
| [23:57:46] | sm007h: | wow |
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| [23:58:01] | sm007h: | everytime I delete recordings, some new ones show up from a long time ago |
| [23:59:06] | PointyPumper: | O.o |
| [23:59:29] | psofa: | if i add a new dvb-t card add it as a capture card and connect it with the same video source as the first will it tune immediately the same channels and stuff? |
| [23:59:30] | sm007h: | PointyPumper: check the log now |
| [23:59:42] | juski: | psofa: should do |
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