Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Thursday, November 9th, 2006, 00:00 UTC

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zerotrace:

QAM256 does work, but for whatever reason, some of the local broadcast channels aren't available from the cable provider unencrypted

[00:00:14]

levander:

zerotrace: interesting, i bet you get all the big sports shows at the very least doing it that way, and i understand PBS broadcasts quite a bit in HDTV. I guess the only thing you're missing in HDTV that I'd want is HBO.

[00:00:49]

levander:

zerotrace: you're happy with the PVR-150, or wish you had the PVR-250?

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zerotrace:

levander: Yeah, I get all of the major sports games and PBS broadcasts in HD 100% of the time with three analog subchannels as well

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stuarta:

zerotrace: that's the joy that is referred to as '3C' protection

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jamincollins:

I haven't found much difference between the PVR 150 and 250 so far

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zerotrace:

I'm happy with the PVR-150... I don't run my frontend on the same box as the backend, so I have no need for a dedicated decoder

[00:02:04]

levander:

Maybe six months back in this channel, everybody used to say the PVR-250 encoded higher quality video.

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zerotrace:

The only difference between the 150 and 250 is the 250 has a hardware decoder, the 150 does not... they both have hardware encoders

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jamincollins:

thought the dedicated decoder was the 350

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zerotrace:

jamincollins: You might be right, but when what is the 250?

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zerotrace:

then*

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jamincollins:

that's the thing... I can't seem to find a difference between the 150 and 250 other than price

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zerotrace:

If you can't find a difference, go with the cheaper one... the PVR-150 works great for me

[00:03:08]

jamincollins:

and as I recall it is the 350 that had the hardware decoder

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zerotrace:

Yeah, I think you're right

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stuarta:

these days the recommendation is 150 or 500

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jamincollins:

yep

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jamincollins:

just helped a co-worker build a myth box and suggested he go with the 150... it's working very well

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zerotrace:

I don't record enough to need dual tuners... The few things I do record that conflict are usually available on the antenna anyway

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D-side:

bah. damnit. i've got to build a replacement backend and i have no idea in the world what distro i want to use.

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zerotrace:

Something to keep in mind with HD... It dumps a large amount of data to disk so you'll need a fairly large hard drive. I also found that an ext3 filesystem wasn't fast enough... I got a bit of jitter when recording and playing back HD at the same time... Switching to XFS helped a lot

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MarineTim:

is xfs an installation option nowadays with most distros?

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zerotrace:

I had no problem with XFS under gentoo

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zerotrace:

It was as easy as emerging xfs-utils and reformatting the drive

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levander:

As I remember it, the 250 came out first. The 150 was Hauppage's effort to make the 250 more cost-effectively. People said the central chips were the same, but the supporting chips on the card weren't as high quality as those on the 250, and so the video encoded by the 250 looks better. Maybe people have played more with the 150 now, and the video looks just as good.

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MarineTim:

ah. so is your recordings partition separate from root?

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levander:

Newegg doesn't sell the pcHDTV cards? Can't find them.

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zerotrace:

Yeah, I keep my recordings on a separate physical drive

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zerotrace:

levander: AFAIK, the only way to get the pcHDTV cards is directly from pcHDTV.org

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zerotrace:

s/org/com/

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kash:

argh

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kash:

how do i make mythtv use a particular audio device for capture?

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D-side:

zerotrace: you're an HD user?

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kash:

it's changing it after i put it in mythtv-setup

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zerotrace:

D-side: yup

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D-side:

zerotrace: let me ask you a quick question. in terms of play time, how much will fit on a 400gb drive you think?

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kash:

i'd say 40 hours

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kash:

before compression, that is

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D-side:

i haven't done a bit of research but i'm looking for real world scenarios

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levander:

$130 for a pcHDTV card seems like a lot for a card, considering the WinTV PVR-150 is only $60. Yes, I know they do different things. But, isn't HDTV already digitally encoded, which should make the pcHDTV card cheaper?

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D-side:

kash: there'd be no compression, i'd just watch it as it came in

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jamincollins:

D-side: go with Debian (*nudge*)

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kash:

use DivX and it'll last about 200 hours

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D-side:

levander: the pcHDTV does hd. the pvr-150 does not.

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D-side:

jamincollins: i don't want to be stuck on sid.

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kash:

right now, HD is in demand. pvr-150's are not.

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zerotrace:

D-side: Not sure, but I can tell you that most HD recordings run at 20 Mbps MPEG2 when uncompressed... A one hour HD recording is about 5.6 GB

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jamincollins:

D-side: I run Debian and don't run sid

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MarineTim:

levander: the pcHDTV grabs OTA signals.

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levander:

D-side: Right, but the HDTV signal is already encoded, it doesn't need a hardware encoder. So, wouldn't the HDTV card be cheaper?

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D-side:

jamincollins: you're right, i make assumptions on what i'd need for debian.

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D-side:

levander: interesting point.

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levander:

MarineTim: so, the antenna is what makes the pcHDTV card more expensive?

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jamincollins:

D-side: between stable, volitale, and back-ports you can do most anything

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MarineTim:

oh, you're asking why there's a cost differential? That I'm not sure...

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D-side:

jamincollins: yeah thats true enough. i'm looking to get as much going as possible with the least amount of work. i'm considering ubuntu again. :D

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jamincollins:

but there's always Ubuntu if you're looking for faster releases... and not as concerned with stability

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jamincollins:

Ubuntu's been coming up rather short for me lately

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jamincollins:

the Edgy upgrade was less than smooth

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D-side:

no, they've got issues in upgrading between releases.

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D-side:

i don't know that you can really make the case against its stability though.

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jamincollins:

lots of things broken with the latest upgrade

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D-side:

not taking the upgrade issues into account

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D-side:

like what? i ran it on my desktop for a week straight before i ditched windows and linux on the desktop completely

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jamincollins:

for me stability is a two parter

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D-side:

i didnt do too much with it but i found no problems outright

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levander:

I've been upgrading Ubuntu all the way back from the original Warty. It always takes maybe four to six hours to figure out the couple of things that broke in a distribution upgrade.

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jamincollins:

several gtk apps broke after upgrading

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jamincollins:

Audacity was missing all text, xmms wouldn't start

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jamincollins:

both documented bugs in their tracker

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levander:

jamincollins: have you fixed it yet? what was the problem?

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D-side:

i didnt really stray far from stock stufff, other than adding in mythtvfrontend actually.

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jamincollins:

yea, had to create a customized gtkrc file for fonts and disable xmms double-size

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levander:

jamincollins: have they fixed those bug in edgy? You know they're not supposed to fix bugs on a stable release, only security updates. Or, did you upgrade before they released edgy?

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jamincollins:

Debian upgrades on the other hand tend to be smoother

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jamincollins:

levander: no they haven't fixed them... just workarounds in the tracker

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levander:

jamincollins: after a release, their policy is not to fix bugs, they leave the bugs there so that you can remember what to work around, etc. It's part of their definition of stable, even the bugs stay the same.

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jamincollins:

levander: I'd call that "static" not "stable"

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levander:

but, it would have been better if they fixed those bugs before the release of course...

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levander:

jamincollins: hey, i don't create their release policies

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jamincollins:

I know...

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jamincollins:

their quick release cycle is a double edged sword

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levander:

All those updates you pull down for a release after it's been marked public is security updates.

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jamincollins:

I'm well aware of that

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levander:

I guess why I started using Ubuntu was because I figured application versions would be more up-to-date than debian ustable, and more stable than stable. Not sure if that's true or not though.

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levander:

more stable than debian unstable i meant to say

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scopeuk:

levander isent a one leged stool balanced on an upended barge pole more stable than debian unstable?

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levander:

in debian, testing is the newest stuff, unstable is after testing right?

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scopeuk:

other way around

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levander:

scopeuk: i have no idea, it's been a looooooong time since i used debian at all

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scopeuk:

unstable is cutting edge

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scopeuk:

testign is between that and stable

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levander:

scopeuk: damn, let me rephrase

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jamincollins:

scopeuk: Debian unstable tends to be as stable as most other distro's releases

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scopeuk:

jamincollins just the updatign software bit that can be a bit hairy

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scopeuk:

apt-get dist-update

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levander:

I guess I started using Ubuntu because I figured it would have similar application version numbers as what was in debian testing, but that it would be more stable than debian testing. I'm not sure if this is true or not though.

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jamincollins:

not really... their policiess take care of that

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Dibblah:

D-side: Trueish about the FXO. I have a nasty card already.

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Dibblah:

And by nasty I mean 10k harware interrupts / second.

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Dibblah:

... Which causes some issues when it's behind a PCI bridge.

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Dibblah:

And it doesn't get polarity reversals, etc. In other words, it is nasty.

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RyeBrye:

I built MythTV from svn, but when I try to run it I am getting this error:

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RyeBrye:

mythbackend: error while loading shared libraries: libmythtv-0.20.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory

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RyeBrye:

That file does exist, and is in my $PATH

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RyeBrye:

`which libmythtv-0.20.so.0 ` gives me: /usr/local/lib/libmythtv-0.20.so.0

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RyeBrye:

I ran /sbin/ldconfig to see if that would help, but it didn't

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kash:

grep "/usr/local" /etc/ld.so.conf

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RyeBrye:

k

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kash:

.. try it

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RyeBrye:

kash – that had no output

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kash:

tell me the output

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kash:

ok

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kash:

echo "/usr/local/lib" >> /etc/ld.so.conf; ldconfig

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RyeBrye:

okay

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RyeBrye:

Yay :)

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RyeBrye:

you are a miracle worker... it loaded mythbackend now :)

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lane:

Hi all. I'm trying to troubleshoot an lirc problem (my remote totally stopped working, stuff shows up in /var/log/messages, but no response in myth, xine, or irw). Does anyone know if there's a channel for lirc?

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scott_:

Hi All. I love Mythtv

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lane:

Or have any ideas for where to go from here? :) I had the remote working for a long time. I don't know what killed it. Maybe an lirc upgrade somewhere along the way... I've got the relevant sections of /var/log/messages and dmesg outputs at http://pastebin.ca/243908 if anybody would mind taking a look.

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scott_:

I don't know anything about lirc, sorry :(

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Vantage13:

hi, how do you enter zoom mode?

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psofa:

err is last-ish myth trunk supposed to work ok with svn ivtv?

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psofa:

myth seems to be capturing at low res even though its set up to capture at 720x something

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russK:

Why would my recording be orphaned? I have the file in the store directory but it does not show in the media library.

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charlieS:

if you enable transcode, does it run as the program is recorded? What about a UserJob.. is that run after it's done recording?

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GreyFoxx:

both run after the recording is done

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charlieS:

can you start watching while it's transcoding? i.e. the files aren't renamed or anything weird, right?

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charlieS:

s/files/file

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RyeBrye:

according to this ticket: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/1810 there should be a script in mythgame now that lets you generate screenshots automatically

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RyeBrye:

I just built the svn version and can't find it

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RyeBrye:

would it be in a script in contrib or something?

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charlieS:

look at the changelog?

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RyeBrye:

hmm... no – where is the changelog? I just read that ticket so decided to build the svn version 'cause I really want that feature

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Vantage13:

would some be able to help figure out what my resolution setting should be for a pvr-150 ntsc outputing to a non-lcd 25" tv?

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Vantage13:

or the overscan settings I may need to adjust?

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RyeBrye:

prv-150's have output?

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RyeBrye:

I thought just the 350's did

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Vantage13:

RyeBrye: sorry, tv out is on the onboard vid card, but the in is from a pvr-150

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RyeBrye:

oh

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RyeBrye:

You want to know what res. to capture at or what res to output to TV?

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Vantage13:

I have a pvr-250 that works fine on another machine and I had this one working before I upgraded mythtv

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Vantage13:

yeah

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RyeBrye:

yeah to the first part?

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Vantage13:

now all of the sudden the video is very low res (appears zoomed in) and squished out of proportion on the proper aspect ratio (4:3)

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RyeBrye:

640x480 would be my guess

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Vantage13:

yeah to both actually, I can't seem to pin point which I need to adjust

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Vantage13:

RyeBrye: for the capture res or the output res?

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RyeBrye:

capture res

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RyeBrye:

output at 800x600 or 640x480

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RyeBrye:

what chipset does your tvout use?

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RyeBrye:

or more importantly – do you have utils to tweak it, like nvidia-settings?

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Vantage13:

ati fglrx driver. it's a pundit-r

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RyeBrye:

(if it was an nvidia card)

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Vantage13:

the thing is, mythtv looks fine

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charlieS:

Vantage13: regular TV? You want 480i: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Modeline_Database

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Vantage13:

charlieS: which is 480i under the ntsc analog section?

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charlieS:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Working_with_Modelines

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Vantage13:

or just try them all?

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lane:

Is there a keys.txt file for the Mythtv internal DVD player?

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Vantage13:

so using the modelines on that site and 640x480 as my output the image aspect ratio looks better, but it's still zoomed in

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Paladine:

anyone know a decent vector graphics packagefor linux?

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kash:

argh, mythtv won't grab the audio in before it goes out to the speakers

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siXy:

paladine yeah try xara

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kash:

i can't even figure out how to get mythtv to turn on the audio out on my tuner card

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Vantage13:

still no luck with the zoom problem

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Vantage13:

the capture card is set to 480x480, the same as the 250 on my other machine

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Vantage13:

cat /dev/video0 > temp.mpg produces a properly formatted mpg file (size, aspect ratio, etc)

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Vantage13:

however, mythtv seems to have issues displaying

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Vantage13:

it

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russK:

I have recordings getting stuck in the Job Queue ... how do I get them worked off?

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sphery:

russK: Have you tried cancelling them from the frontend's Watch Recordings screen? (I think it's Menu (M), then Job Options or something.)

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rtyler:

so I'm trying to sign up with zap2it so I can get some bloody tv listings, and I can't

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rtyler:

find any place to "sign up" on their site

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scott_:

rtyler: http://labs.zap2it.com

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defaultro:

hey guys, what's the ideal way of reloading raw1394, ohci1394 and ieee1394 modules? Should I rmmod them manually?

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defaultro:

got it working

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scott_:

yeah defaultro I think that's best way for firewire module reloading

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scott_:

I created a simple firewire.sh script to reload them for me

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rtyler:

scott_: thanks, got it setup, grabbing the info now :)

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J-e-f-f-A:

Hi guys! How are things tonight?

[04:38:33]

** J-e-f-f-A only hears crickets & hoot owls... Quiet night I guess... **

[04:39:16]

rtyler:

yep

[04:39:31]

rtyler:

why on earth is the frontend/backend UI so bloody slow

[04:40:06]

J-e-f-f-A:

rtyler: How fast is your machine?

[04:40:25]

rtyler:

AMD64 3400+

[04:40:26]

rtyler:

haha

[04:40:52]

rtyler:

I set the backend to 127.0.0.1 and the frontend won't connect to it like that apparently

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J-e-f-f-A:

rtyler: Yeah, not if it's a remote frontend.

[04:41:21]

rtyler:

this is all local

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J-e-f-f-A:

rtyler: Then that shouldn't matter.

[04:41:50]

rtyler:

that's what I thought

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J-e-f-f-A:

rtyler: What does 'top' show? Anything killing the cpu?

[04:43:12]

rtyler:

ugh, nevermind, YaST didn't quite "understand" that setting the runlevel for the backend implies "run it now"

[04:43:30]

rtyler:

I think this run it'll work

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rtyler:

setting up a remote backup server (girlfriend's house) and trojan horsing it as a DVR ;)

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J-e-f-f-A:

Paladyne – are you on tonight?

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J-e-f-f-A:

rtyler: hehe... ;-)

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rtyler:

SUSE 10.1, was surprisingly easy getting things worked out given the howto on the wiki

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mchou:

rtyler: stop supporting novell

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J-e-f-f-A:

rtyler: So far I've stuck with FC — now installing FC5 on a new A64 x2 4600 box... ;-) (will be new backend to replace Dual PIII 866)

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rtyler:

mchou: stop buying produce

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rtyler:

I don't see any problem with Novell, but that's a flame war you can start with me some other time

[04:45:39]

mchou:

rtyler: novell is being a lamer signing away linux rights it doesnt own

[04:46:28]

rtyler:

mchou: go read Miguel's (of Mono infamy ;)) posts on the partnership, I persoonally don't think a damn thing is going to come of it

[04:46:40]

rtyler:

IMHO its more of a cease-fire between Novell and MS for the time being

[04:46:54]

mchou:

rtyler: http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse/2006-11/msg00055.html

[04:47:08]

mchou:

rtyler: it aint about Miguel or Mono

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rtyler:

you're right, but I think he framed the issue well :)

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mchou:

cease fire my ass

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Paladine:

J-e-f-f-A, yeah I am here sup man?

[04:48:06]

Paladine:

workingon a new side project :)

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rtyler:

mchou: you stick to your OS of choice, and I'll stick to mine

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J-e-f-f-A:

Paladine: You're gonna hate me, but I bought some new h/w for a new backend... ;-)

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mchou:

rtyler: framed the issue? Miguel didnt "frame" any issue at all. He was only referring to .Net

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Paladine:

J-e-f-f-A, what you got now?

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J-e-f-f-A:

Paladine: Athon 64 x2 4600 system... ;-)

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Paladine:

you need to buy me the x2 4800 :)

[04:49:21]

J-e-f-f-A:

Paladine: They were sold out... :-(

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Paladine:

how dare they :p

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J-e-f-f-A:

Paladine: or I would have bought it! ;-) This thing screams!!!!!!

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Paladine:

hey dude, check out my new side project :) ( http://www.ebayscammers.info/ )

[04:51:11]

Paladine:

J-e-f-f-A, if we remortgage in december I am gonna get me a dual opteron dual core system setup :)

[04:52:04]

J-e-f-f-A:

Paladine: Yeah, that's what I did (re-finance)... Only spent $670 usd on this setup (already had hdd's, DVD recorder and 600w ps)

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Paladine:

well we are planning to remortgage to pay off a couple of loans

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Paladine:

so Iwill be able to buy some new kit without her noticing ;)

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J-e-f-f-A:

Paladine: I paid off my primary mortgage, Home Equity loan, and all the credit cards.

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Paladine:

I just inherited 20 freeserver cases yesterday

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Paladine:

free server

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Paladine:

so I have to find stuff to put in them ;)

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J-e-f-f-A:

Paladine: I also picked up a compaq SFF P4 1.7ghz box for a HD frontend... 512mb ram – Nvidia AGP gfx – $169... not bad for a fully-functional small pc! ;-)

[04:55:06]

Paladine:

aye

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Paladine:

did you see the server mod I am doing at the moment?

[04:55:52]

Paladine:

http://www.paladine.org.uk/images/leftpanel.png

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Lazer_wolf:

Hey peeps, I am a guy who is new to the whole MythTv arena. I was wondering what your thoughts on it are?

[04:55:59]

J-e-f-f-A:

Paladine: No, what is it? (ok, looking now)

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Lazer_wolf:

likes dislikes stories.?

[04:56:13]

J-e-f-f-A:

Lazer_wolf: Kicks a$$ ;-)

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Paladine:

just waiting for my dremel to arrive and the decals

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Lazer_wolf:

pretty descriptive there ;)

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** J-e-f-f-A ;-) **

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Paladine:

so J-e-f-f-A what you doing with the old kit?

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Paladine:

you sending it to me for xmas?

[04:57:46]

J-e-f-f-A:

Lazer_wolf: Depending on your Linux knowledge and technical abilities, it can be a little bit of a learning curve, and you may even take a couple of tries to get it right, but man is it worth it!!! ;-)

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J-e-f-f-A:

Paladine: I'm not sure I'll have my FC5/0.20 system all up & running 100% by then... (Time constraints), but maybe... ;-) Where are you located?

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Paladine:

uk :)

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siXy:

Lazer_wolf, mythtv is the most powerful pvr app availiable. its not as pretty or as easy to us as the best (vista mce) but it looks nice enough and with some menu tweaking can be made useable for pretty much anyone. setting up requires some linux knowledge, however.

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J-e-f-f-A:

Paladine: Well, shipping would be a ton then... that box (Compaq Professional Workstation AP550 w/dual PIII 866) weighs a ton... probably 40lbs!!!

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Lazer_wolf:

sounds good, I have a mediocre skill set in linux, (got dual boot gentoo, on my main box, and a small server)

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Paladine:

J-e-f-f-A, just the board and cpus/ram etc will do :)

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Paladine:

I have 20 server cases :)

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rtyler:

cute, Myth likes to crash my X server

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Lazer_wolf:

I bet it will also use lower end hardware than vista could dream of

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siXy:

Lazer_wolf, most of the common troubles people have are down to poor hardware choice. its best to start from the ground up and build a box that looks nice and doesnt have any odd hardwaare.

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Lazer_wolf:

yeah

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J-e-f-f-A:

Paladine: Well, I doubt it's an 'ATX' standard board... You'd probably have to do a bit of hacking...

[05:01:05]

Lazer_wolf:

that is what I figured...gotta do some shopping

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Paladine:

it is probably eatx, which I have a bunch of cases compatable :)

[05:01:30]

Lazer_wolf:

(I am embarressed to admint my main box is a 1 ghz with 256 ram :-/ )

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Paladine:

but it will go in a modded case anyway :)

[05:01:47]

J-e-f-f-A:

Lazer_wolf: What are you interested in recording, Standard-Definition, or HD, or both? (And are you in the US or abroad?)

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Lazer_wolf:

us standard

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Lazer_wolf:

don't wanna pay for hi def

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Paladine:

5am hmmmmm

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Paladine:

should I go to bed or have another smoke?

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J-e-f-f-A:

Lazer_wolf: Well, that 1ghz box will work quite well, especially if you use hardware encoders like the Hauppauge PVR-150, 250, and 500...

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Lazer_wolf:

gotya

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J-e-f-f-A:

Lazer_wolf: What would your source be, cable tv?

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Lazer_wolf:

yeah

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siXy:

Lazer_wolf, if you only plan to use sd-tv then you can make a cheap and quiet box based on a via epia (reccomend the sp1200, but therre are others that work well too) if you dont mind doing a bit of tweaking for perfomance

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Lazer_wolf:

so basically what you are saying is that I should make my hardware choices based on compatibility first, then capability?

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J-e-f-f-A:

Lazer_wolf: So depending on how many things you want to record and/or watch (livetv) at the same time, would determine how many tuners you need.

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Lazer_wolf:

another thing that intrigues me is the ability of having a backend server farm

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Lazer_wolf:

how well does that work? frontend/backend

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mchou:

Lazer_wolf: I wouldnt bother

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J-e-f-f-A:

Lazer_wolf: Excellent. I have a backend with 3 SD tuners (PVR-250 and PVR-500) and 1 HD tuner (HD-3000)... with 3 frontends... works GREAT!

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mchou:

Lazer_wolf: slave backends have some "issues"

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siXy:

its slightly easier to get a quiet setup if you are on a low budget. no other real benefits, however

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Lazer_wolf:

well ok, now I am hearing two different issues....:)

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siXy:

mchou, mine works fine :)

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J-e-f-f-A:

Lazer_wolf: (BTW, my config is not a slave backend... It's remote frontends with 1 backend)

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Lazer_wolf:

don't want to start an argument

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mchou:

siXy: you have a master BE and multiple SBEs?

[05:06:43]

siXy:

oh sorry misread

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mchou:

so fuck off!

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siXy:

no dont do that. have one backend

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siXy:

mchou, calm.

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mchou:

siXy: I am calm

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J-e-f-f-A:

mchou: I had thought about a slave backend in the past when my HD tuner didn't seem to like the other pci cards in my backend. But I got that resolved...

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siXy:

then you need to learn some manners son.

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Lazer_wolf:

well

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mchou:

siXy: manners? you're the one who butted in w/o knowing the context

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Lazer_wolf:

what I am thinking is having a backend with 1–3 front end machines....in different rooms

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rtyler:

is there anyway to change the config for the frontend without using the frontend? it keeps crashing X >_<

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siXy:

butted in? heh. ah well cba to argue with irc trolls right now.

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MipsIrv:

evening.. i managed (for the first time in occassional attempts in the past year) to get mytv working.. however.. i have one lingering problem.. the hue on the capture card is way off apparently

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mchou:

Lazer_wolf: in any case, the networking architectures needs to be more robust.....

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mchou:

and I don't think that's getting much dev attention.....

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MipsIrv:

i can compensate by modifying the hue through the front-end.. but many other things are thrown off.. for example.. the previews..

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Lazer_wolf:

ok so there are issues with the networking

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Lazer_wolf:

good to know

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mchou:

Lazer_wolf: the issue isnt networking per se, more like "failover"

[05:10:12]

Lazer_wolf:

I guess I will just have to lurk around here for a while and learn about this software for a while

[05:10:47]

mchou:

some slave backends get orphaned

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mchou:

gets in a funky state

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Lazer_wolf:

so they are lost to the world when they get like that eh?

[05:12:17]

mchou:

bottom line it's best to stick as much as possible in one master back end and be satisfied :)

[05:12:37]

J-e-f-f-A:

Paladine: btw — I like your panel design. Looks cool.

[05:12:43]

Lazer_wolf:

mchou: k thanks for the wisdom

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Paladine:

J-e-f-f-A, you should see the front and the right side panel :)

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Paladine:

the right side panel is just a big tux

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Paladine:

but the front of the cse will have custom made case badges on the front of each drive bay panel with a different toon tux in it

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Paladine:

and 5 of the 6 5.25 bays have been converted into 3.5" HD bays with LEDs on the front panels

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J-e-f-f-A:

mchou: Are your slave be issues due to your particular implementation, or more widespread? If so, why hasn't it gotten more dev attention?

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mchou:

lol, my particular implementation?

[05:15:10]

mchou:

I compile from source fron cvs/svn

[05:15:33]

mchou:

and it's happened on every single version I've used

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J-e-f-f-A:

mchou: I mean, Tuner cards, HDD's only in the main backend, or whatever... Just thinking out loud...

[05:16:02]

mchou:

it doesnt get dev attention cause not many devs use multiple backends

[05:16:07]

J-e-f-f-A:

mchou: (Just trying to collect data for when/if I reach that state...)

[05:16:21]

J-e-f-f-A:

mchou: Humph... That's a bummer.

[05:17:08]

mchou:

leeme put it this way. I'd rather watch livetv using myth rather than using multiple BE's

[05:17:09]

J-e-f-f-A:

mchou: Like the new motherboards don't have as many 'old' PCI slots... And the current generation of tuners are PCI... I suppose there's always the USB tuners though.

[05:17:59]

mchou:

J-e-f-f-A: get with it man. firewire

[05:18:12]

J-e-f-f-A:

mchou: What was your reason for setting up slave backend(s)?

[05:18:50]

mchou:

cause back in the day I was playing with lots of tuners and tv programming

[05:19:11]

J-e-f-f-A:

mchou: Yeah... But I don't feel like paying $80/month for digital cable... (Although I wonder what I could pick up with my HD3000 with 'standard' cable?)

[05:19:22]

mchou:

$80??

[05:19:29]

mchou:

where is this?

[05:19:43]

J-e-f-f-A:

mchou: Yeah, Boston area... Comcast...

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Lazer_wolf:

yeah dig cable is about the same here in Ky

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Lazer_wolf:

insight

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mchou:

J-e-f-f-A: I dont subscribe to digital cable. I pay $5/mo for firewire STB and get all non-premium HD

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J-e-f-f-A:

mchou: Does it also output the SD channels to firewire? If so, how's the quality?

[05:21:22]

mchou:

I paying $35/mo total for cable (OTA HD) & cable inet

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mchou:

and I'm with comcast

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Lazer_wolf:

lucky, I am paying 80 for basic cable and internet

[05:22:02]

mchou:

J-e-f-f-A: yup, SD come over firewire too. quality is way better than pvr-x50

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mchou:

pvr-x50 is crap

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mchou:

lousy comb filters

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J-e-f-f-A:

mchou: Woah... $35 total? That's cheap! I have dish for TV, $65/mo for 180 channels and 4 receivers, plus $44.95 for 15mbps internet...

[05:23:12]

mchou:

J-e-f-f-A: why get dish?

[05:23:29]

mchou:

J-e-f-f-A: you just said you have comcast

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J-e-f-f-A:

mchou: So that's $100/month for internet & "TV". My HD is OTA — 22 channels in Boston, of which I probably only watch 4...

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J-e-f-f-A:

mchou: I have Dish — have had for 8 yrs. Comcast is more, and not all channels are digital out here.

[05:24:09]

mchou:

J-e-f-f-A: go oevr to comcastoffers.com :)

[05:24:17]

mchou:

over*

[05:24:28]

mchou:

get inet for $20/mo

[05:24:42]

mchou:

and about $14 for basic cable

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J-e-f-f-A:

mchou: I have 3 tuners – PVR-250 and PVR-500 which I feed s-video from the dish boxes. Quality is great...

[05:25:02]

mchou:

which include all OTA HD channels

[05:25:15]

mchou:

plus INHD and DISCHD

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J-e-f-f-A:

mchou: I had comcast internet for about 5 years. It was the only broadband available to me until Verizon FiOS came into town. It royally sucked — it was super fast at first, but then slowed to below 56k dialup speeds...

[05:25:56]

mchou:

J-e-f-f-A: using svid with pvr-x50 is np. but the tuners on pvr-x50 suck rocks

[05:26:49]

mchou:

J-e-f-f-A: ok, if you have fios I can see why your ae paying thru the nose

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mchou:

are*

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J-e-f-f-A:

mchou: Haven't used the tuners... Just the S-vid inputs. I'm currently recording my 'who cares if it's a little grainy' programs at 400x480, and it looks great from a few feet away.

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J-e-f-f-A:

mchou: Yeah, FiOS is awesome... (When the web sites are fast enough...) ;-)

[05:28:13]

mchou:

svid and coax are night and day on pvr-x50

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mchou:

I wouldnt recomment coax in on pvr-x50 to my worst enemy

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hjohnson:

i just wonder if the ivtv drivers have fixed some of the issues with the PVR-500

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J-e-f-f-A:

mchou: I had so many issues with Comcast — every time it slowed down, I'd call and talk to techs, who would state "no problems – must be your computer", but when they did an upgrade, it was faster for a few months again...

[05:29:22]

robbins876:

What's the difference between a pvr-300 and 150? is the quality any better?

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hjohnson:

robbins876: the primary difference is the video output on the 300.

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hjohnson:

the 150 is input only

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robbins876:

how about the 500?

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mchou:

J-e-f-f-A: those techs dont know shit. I've only met one tech outta 10 here that knew what they were talking about

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kormoc:

robbins876, the 350 has hardware mpeg2 out, and is the older version of the mpeg-2 encoder/tuner

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hjohnson:

robbins876: the 500 is basically two 150s/250s on a single PCI card..

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J-e-f-f-A:

mchou: Finally, after 3 years of grief (the first 2 were pretty good), I told them that whenever an alternative were to become available, they were going to lose me... So when FiOS became available, at 2x the speed, for $5/month cheaper, I jumped!!!

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kormoc:

robbins876, the 500 is dual 150's

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siXy:

pvr 350 has mpeg encoding and decoding. it is also based on the older (and slightly superior) architecture.

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hjohnson:

has twin tuners, twin encoders/compressors.

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kormoc:

robbins876, really, a 150 + nvidia card is cheaper and better then a 350

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mchou:

J-e-f-f-A: where abouts in Boston are you?

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hjohnson:

(it's basically two totally independant 150s... bulit that way, with just a PCI bridge chip on the card)

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mchou:

J-e-f-f-A: used to live in Cambridge and Somerville

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siXy:

unless you need cc for example, but even then you would be better of with a 250 and a cheap nvidia gfx card

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J-e-f-f-A:

mchou: I'm about 25 miles east of Boston in Marlborough.

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kormoc:

indeed

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hjohnson:

i'm jus tannoyed that they always seem to put the FM tuner on a separate coax connector.

[05:31:40]

hjohnson:

why bother with that?

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mchou:

J-e-f-f-A: what do you do for living over there?

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hjohnson:

or is cable FM a rarity in the US?

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kormoc:

hjohnson, never heard of cable fm personally

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mchou:

hjohnson: cable fm is very rare in US

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hjohnson:

mchou: really

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hjohnson:

wow

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mchou:

hjohnson: only available if geography prevents "normal" fm reception

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mchou:

like lots of hills and valleys

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hjohnson:

here, if you hook up an FM radio to your cable, you get another radio station every 400kHz or so..

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J-e-f-f-A:

mchou: I'm a Technical Analyst working with Tandem 'mainframe' computers... Fault-tolerant 99.99% uptime machines... (We just shutdown an old development system that had been running 5 yrs straight)

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mchou:

J-e-f-f-A: is this at HP?

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J-e-f-f-A:

mchou: Nope, SunGard.

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hjohnson:

mchou: cable-FM is SOP here.. they toss on stations that you can't get OTA either.. allows me to pull in the seattle NPR stations, jazz stations, and so forth.

[05:34:05]

mchou:

J-e-f-f-A: I used to be a dev on HA :)

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mchou:

hjohnson: here is seattle?

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hjohnson:

mchou: Vancouver, BC

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mchou:

hjohnson: linky to your cableco?

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hjohnson:

Shaw

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J-e-f-f-A:

mchou: Where do you live now?

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hjohnson:

but I've never run into a cable co that didn't have cable FM, when it was the local cable co in my home town, rogers, or shaw

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mchou:

hjohnson: cablefm may be more prevalent in .ca cause you guys are so spread out

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mchou:

all those cows in Alberta :)

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hjohnson:

http://www.shaw.ca/cmsShawCA/Templates/FMChan . . . HEHINT=Guest

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hjohnson:

wow, that's fugly

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mchou:

hjohnson: anyway, what's the big deal, buy a splitter

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hjohnson:

but that's the fm channel listing for here

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** J-e-f-f-A -- wow, yum upgrade takes a long, long time — even on a Athlon 64 x2 4600... **

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RyeBrye:

J-e-f-f-A is it hanging between steps?

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RyeBrye:

My yum took forever for a while

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RyeBrye:

It would hang on me for up to 10 minutes

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J-e-f-f-A:

RyeBrye: Nope... Upd to 136/1014....

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RyeBrye:

yum clean all helped, (I think)

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mchou:

hjohnson: set you back $10 CDN

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RyeBrye:

oh, gotcha

[05:37:55]

RyeBrye:

then yeah – it's yum running that is slow

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RyeBrye:

:)

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J-e-f-f-A:

RyeBrye: Now 141/1014 ... slow...

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mchou:

hjohnson: postal code?

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RyeBrye:

has anyone used the shell script to automatically generate screenshots for roms in mythgame?

[05:39:29]

J-e-f-f-A:

RyeBrye: It's up to 157/1014 now... flying! (NOT!)

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hjohnson:

mchou: V3H 1N6

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mchou:

J-e-f-f-A: what does SunGard do?

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kormoc:

J-e-f-f-A, update more then once every year? :P

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J-e-f-f-A:

kormoc: New FC5 install... ;-)

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J-e-f-f-A:

mchou: My division is the "Phase3" product — full front to back office trading application. Very big in the financial industry...

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mchou:

hjohnson: I suggest you use inetfm rather than cablefm :)

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RyeBrye:

Could be worse – you could just get a floppy with the kernel and yum's dependencies and run "yum groupinstall *"

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mchou:

J-e-f-f-A: trading as in stocks?

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RyeBrye:

or something crazy like that

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RyeBrye:

;)

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J-e-f-f-A:

mchou: Yep, Stocks/Bonds, etc...

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mchou:

hjohnson: whats so special about npr in seattle (than the national feed)?

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hjohnson:

mchou: i'm principally interested in the NPR station and the CBC, neither of which stream, afaik.. (basically, I'd like to make podcasts of "Prarie Home Companion" and "The Vynil Cafe"

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mchou:

J-e-f-f-A: ok :)

[05:42:36]

mchou:

hjohnson: get with it dude

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hjohnson:

is PHC on the national NPR feed?

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mchou:

hjohnson: that's available nationwide via inet. listen anywhere, anytime

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J-e-f-f-A:

mchou: It's a fair chance that if you trade stocks that it's processed on one of our systems...

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hjohnson:

mchou: only way i've found it is in real.. (yech)

[05:44:35]

mchou:

hjohnson: plenty in mp3

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kormoc:

hjohnson, KUOW (Seattle's NPR) has mp3 streams sa well, http://www.kuow.org/listen/listen_live.asp

[05:44:57]

hjohnson:

kormoc: KPLU is the one that carries PHC though. :)

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mchou:

hjohnson: http://www.publicradiofan.com/

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hjohnson:

plus KPLU has pretty good jazz going

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MipsIrv:

how can i tell if mythtv is using Xv and potentiall tell it not to?

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kormoc:

hjohnson, http://www.kplu.org/whatson/indexlisten.cgi MP3, AAC+, Real, WMP

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mchou:

hjohnson: no need for "real" fm any more when you get that link :)

[05:46:14]

J-e-f-f-A:

MipsIrv: In the frontend, go to setup, then to TV Playback settings. It's in there.

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siXy:

why on earth would you want to tell myth not to use Xv?

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hjohnson:

meh, it's just easier to amke a cron script ot record it to mp3, generate the XML file, and let iTunes grab it and upload it to my iPod.

[05:46:26]

MipsIrv:

sixy: troubleshooting

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mchou:

hjohnson: I get my npr programming 3 full hrs before anyone else on west coast :)

[05:47:31]

hjohnson:

heh, i don't really care about when I get it...

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mchou:

hjohnson: streamripper :)

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mchou:

hjohnson: http://www.publicradiofan.com/

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mchou:

that's the best link :)

[05:48:55]

hjohnson:

heh.

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hjohnson:

I ought to get myself a shortwave too..

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mchou:

hjohnson: http://www.publicradiofan.com/cgi-bin/program.pl?programid=436

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mchou:

hjohnson: plenty of mp3s on that page :)

[05:51:20]

hjohnson:

plus the kplu mp3 stream is lower bitrate/quality than I could pull off of FM

[05:51:34]

hjohnson:

it's only 20 kilobit

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mchou:

sigh.....

[05:52:10]

hjohnson:

:)

[05:52:28]

hjohnson:

i've already got the card, I'll just pull off of FM radio. no big deal. :)

[05:52:29]

mchou:

hjohnson: check out my link

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mchou:

hjohnson: you dont want to pull it off radio

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hjohnson:

which one? the publicradiofan? yeah, I'm looking at it.

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hjohnson:

mchou: why not?

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mchou:

that will royally screw up myth

[05:53:32]

mchou:

like record PHC and tv the same time

[05:53:42]

mchou:

on the same card

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mchou:

guess who wins?

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hjohnson:

radio? :)

[05:55:37]

mchou:

hjohnson: it's whoever grabs the tuner "last"

[05:55:58]

hjohnson:

mchou: well, yeah

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mchou:

so you might get 1 min of radio and 1 hr of TV :)

[05:56:38]

hjohnson:

that said, I haven't actually installed myth yet, because I don't have a front end...

[05:56:54]

hjohnson:

the pvr is in a big-ass machine in the basement...

[05:56:58]

hjohnson:

well, basement closet

[05:57:06]

mchou:

hjohnson: trust me on this one, inetfm is foolproof

[05:57:23]

hjohnson:

mchou: yeah, but the audio quality is crap for a lot of the streams...

[05:57:26]

mchou:

never missed a proggie yet with stramripper

[05:57:33]

mchou:

hjohnson: huh??

[05:57:45]

mchou:

hjohnson: look at my link dude

[05:57:59]

hjohnson:

I did..

[05:58:03]

hjohnson:

the publicradiofan one?

[05:58:12]

mchou:

WRUR

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hjohnson:

the ones I've looked at are only like 32kbit streams

[05:58:24]

mchou:

http://wxxi.org/podcast/wrur-hi.m3u

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mchou:

dude, 32 kbit far exceeds anything you get over fm

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hjohnson:

mchou: uhm, no.

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hjohnson:

dynamic range and frequency response tend to be significantly better

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hjohnson:

roughly 96 to 128kbps, depeding on the quality of your receiver.

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mchou:

dude, that link I gave you just had 96kbit

[06:01:37]

mchou:

and that's the first station on the list

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hjohnson:

yes, I see that.

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mchou:

hjohnson: so quit yer whining

[06:02:00]

hjohnson:

who said I was whining?

[06:02:10]

mchou:

hjohnson: I just did

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hjohnson:

i'm quite happy to just snarf it off of cable FM

[06:02:49]

** hjohnson goes to cook dinner **

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siXy:

fm radio witha decent arial and a proper hifi radio receiver is far better than a 128kbps mp3.

[06:03:18]

mchou:

you complain about separate in for fm; then inet fm having 32kbit when the first station has 96

[06:03:49]

mchou:

siXy: lol. the dude was using pvr-x50

[06:04:09]

mchou:

hardly qualifies as "proper" fm equipment

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MipsIrv:

hmmmmmm.. for some reason myth is no longer picking up channel names or callsigns.. wouldnt this be provided by data direct? if so.. how do i get myuth to use it?

[06:04:41]

siXy:

yeah in his case im sure the quality will be same if not betterr

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hjohnson:

mchou: I was looking at the stations close to me, KPLU and the like.

[06:05:49]

hjohnson:

since they have a bunch of local programming I'm also interested in.

[06:05:56]

mchou:

hjohnson: http://kuatfm.org/streaming/KUATHQ.m3u

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mchou:

you cant beat that. Take a listen

[06:06:26]

mchou:

well, they are talking now

[06:06:37]

mchou:

but when it's playing music....

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mchou:

you cant complain that's not hi def

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hjohnson:

damned nice stream... but you fail to grasp my point.. is that the (somewhat) local station? no it is not.

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mchou:

who the hell cares when you record PHC??

[06:08:51]

mchou:

that's available nationwide

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hjohnson:

mchou: it's not just that, it's the other local programming that they do on the station.

[06:09:12]

mchou:

hjohnson: so? That's not my problem?

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hjohnson:

mchou: since when di dI say it was?

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mchou:

hjohnson: why you whinng to me about it? Donate to the saettle station.

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mchou:

whining*

[06:09:51]

hjohnson:

christ.

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** hjohnson goes off to reheat some stew. **

[06:15:27]

mchou:

hjohnson: I look up the first station in WA and they got more streams than anyone else.

[06:15:46]

mchou:

http://66.224.103.98:8930/listen.pls

[06:15:55]

mchou:

so stop whining

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hjohnson:

i've not whined once... in the first case, it was a confusion based on the normal operation of cable companies, since it doesn't seem to make sense to have a second connector when you can just pull it off the cable... but it didn't really dawn on me that this isn't a typical situation.

[06:19:35]

mchou:

hjohnson: and I told you what to do: get a coax splitter

[06:20:02]

mchou:

that should have been end of story.

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hjohnson:

well, that's the obvious solution, but doesn't answer the "why" which is why I was curious.

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mchou:

hjohnson: and I told you why

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hjohnson:

mchou: right, then you accused me of whining.

[06:22:17]

hjohnson:

anyhow, this is stupid.

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mchou:

no, I accused you of whining when you said most inet radio is at 36kbits

[06:23:06]

mchou:

when that link I gave you had plenty of stations at 128kbits

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hjohnson:

mchou: most of the ones that I had clicked on by that point were.

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hjohnson:

I know there are plenty of higher rate stations out there, I listen to them on a regular basis... (I regularly pull in things like radio paradise when I'm flying trans-atlantic)

[06:24:13]

mchou:

hjohnson: so? I gave you links to 128kbit. then you whine they aint local

[06:24:50]

hjohnson:

no, you confused what I was looking to pull in, which is my local stations. I know there are plenty of high rate stations out there, but the particular stations i"m looking to pull in are also low bitrate.

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defaultro:

anyone, just wondering why ./configure --enable-firewire still tells firewire not enabled even if I already have the 3 libraries installed

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mchou:

and I go look at the WA stations, the first station I find has 4 strams of different quality, including 128kbits

[06:25:22]

mchou:

hjohnson: stop bullshitting

[06:25:28]

hjohnson:

i'm not.

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defaultro:

mchou, how is your comcast set top box? Why did you abondon your mythtv before when you told me?

[06:25:36]

hjohnson:

hawn

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hjohnson:

er yawn.

[06:25:48]

mchou:

hjohnson: if you bothered to seach you would have found the local station in about 3 secs

[06:26:06]

hjohnson:

anyhow, i'm going to do something more productive than argue with you. good day.

[06:26:08]

defaultro:

so anyone expert in firewire, wake up folks

[06:26:17]

defaultro:

hi johnson, how are you

[06:26:21]

defaultro:

do you use firewire?

[06:27:14]

defaultro:

ANYONE!!!

[06:27:16]

defaultro:

cmon

[06:27:19]

defaultro:

wake up

[06:27:20]

defaultro:

:D

[06:29:15]

defaultro:

nice chat between mchou and hjohnson here :P

[06:35:13]

hjohnson:

defaultro: from something like a digital cable box?

[06:36:50]

defaultro:

yes

[06:37:08]

defaultro:

actually, i just need to enable firewire during configure time

[06:37:19]

defaultro:

but configure always say Firewire support = no

[06:37:32]

defaultro:

which is weird because I have all the 3 libraries

[06:37:47]

defaultro:

and I'm already recording via the tools included like test-mpeg2, etc

[06:37:51]

hjohnson:

hmm.. yeah I don't know anything about that.

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hjohnson:

sorry

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defaultro:

configure just couldn't see the libraries

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hjohnson:

make sure they're in the libpath or something like that? (I can't remember, i rarely build stuff from source, I'm too lazy. :)

[06:42:09]

defaultro:

ok

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hjohnson:

defaultro: you should be able to feed configure the path to the libraries..

[06:42:19]

hjohnson:

defaultro: and you do have the headers for the libraries installed, no?

[06:42:24]

defaultro:

yes

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hjohnson:

hmm.. then yeah, don't know

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defaultro:

i

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defaultro:

i'm reading teh configure file

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defaultro:

i think, something is wrong with the code

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defaultro:

or maybe, i;m reading it wrong

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defaultro:

if test x"$firewire_cable_box" = x"yes" ; then

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defaultro:

firewire_cable_box="no"

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defaultro:

that's freakin wrong

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defaultro:

--enable-firewire assigns the value "yes" to variable firewire_cable_box via case statement. Then using that if statement, it sets back to no, LOL

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defaultro:

now, it finally said Firewire YES

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defaultro:

ot

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defaultro:

it's better now hjohnson after modify PKG_CONFIG_PATH

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defaultro:

I don't need to hack configure file :D

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defaultro:

firewire is seen now

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Mattwj2005:

hey everyone :)

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Mattwj2005:

anyone here?

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Mattwj2005:

*looks around*

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defaultro:

has anyone gotten mythstream to play apple streams?

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dtm:

"apple stream" doesnt mean anything

[07:23:42]

defaultro:

sorry

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defaultro:

what I really meant was the trailers from http://www.apple.com

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dtm:

is thr an official method of converting mythcommflag cuts from the db into mencoder edl?

[07:24:48]

defaultro:

ni

[07:27:44]

dtm:

defaultro: isn't mythstream intended for use with mythweb?

[07:27:55]

dtm:

i have mythweb working and i could use mythstream

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dtm:

checking for mythstream...

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defaultro:

hi dtm

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defaultro:

do you use firewire?

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defaultro:

It's because, I'm at mythtv-setup

[07:31:39]

defaultro:

I've just added a Firewire box in #2 Capture card

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defaultro:

Do I need to setup #3?

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defaultro:

dtm, mythstream can be used within mythfrontend

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defaultro:

I got it working but only for radio

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defaultro:

i'm hoping you're not talking about mythstreamtv, it's different

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defaultro:

external channel change command

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dtm:

defaultro: i have not used firewire in quite a while and it was only for a hard drive and for DV capture

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dtm:

not for stb

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dtm:

and it was only on macos

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dtm:

defaultro: ok so what's the module that provides a streaming server to any old client

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defaultro:

i got it working

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defaultro:

i have to compile 6200ch :)

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dtm:

:-o

[07:45:36]

dtm:

i dont know what you're talking about but good job

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defaultro:

:)

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dtm:

01:39 < dtm> defaultro: ok so what's the module that provides a streaming server to any old client

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defaultro:

im back

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defaultro:

sorry

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defaultro:

i'm not familiar with that

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juski:

mythstreamtv ?

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dtm:

juski: is it? i guess that doesn't come with the base distro. reading.

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defaultro:

hi juski

[08:00:48]

defaultro:

how do i tell mythtv that I want to record this show via firewire?

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juski:

htf should I know that? ;) I don't use firewire :)

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defaultro:

:D

[08:02:19]

defaultro:

i was only hoping

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defaultro:

I can't find it in mythfrontend

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dtm:

defaultro: you dont have an external channel changer?

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dtm:

can firewire directly take such a command, or do you need an irblaster?

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defaultro:

i do

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defaultro:

i am able to change channel manually

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dtm:

well then it has nothing to do with firewire, does it?

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defaultro:

all i do is 6200ch -n 2 191

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defaultro:

it does

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defaultro:

6200 stb is connected to my mythtv via firewire

[08:03:50]

defaultro:

i can see the LCD display, it changes channel

[08:03:57]

defaultro:

that means, firewire is all set

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dtm:

but your question is not about firewire, but about activting an external channel changing script.

[08:04:11]

dtm:

right?

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defaultro:

I've also added firewire via mythtv-setup and mapped it under input connections

[08:04:24]

defaultro:

my question is

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juski:

defaultro: you'd need to make a lineup for the firewire input

[08:04:40]

defaultro:

i do have

[08:04:51]

defaultro:

it's pointing to COMCAST lineup

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defaultro:

i mapped it in #4 item in mythtv-setup

[08:05:23]

defaultro:

we don't need to create a new one

[08:05:36]

defaultro:

all that is left is telling mythtv to record via firewire

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defaultro:

however, i couldnt find a good howto

[08:06:09]

Mattwj2005:

I should upgrade my box to HDTV

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dtm:

juski: do you happen to know how to convert mythcommflag data into mencoder EDL?

[08:06:23]

dtm:

Mattwj2005: noted.

[08:06:39]

Mattwj2005:

my cable box that is .... my mythtv box already does

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juski:

dtm: edit description lists? search the wiki for cutlist exporting, or see if nuvexport offers you any clues

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dtm:

juski: the wiki o/

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juski:

I dunno if you even _can_ export cutlists from mythtv

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dtm:

but of course

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dtm:

i found Ye Olde Bash Scripte for it but i guess it doesn't work now.

[08:11:01]

juski:

nuvexport does some magical things to make an edl for mencoder AFAIK

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dtm:

:-o

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Mattwj2005:

this is way off topic.....but anyone else do folding@home?

[08:12:48]

dtm:

does anyone here use mythfrontend for macos? mine crashes at the menu upon hitting the "any" key

[08:13:04]

juski:

dtm: of course nuvexport supports cutlists :)

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Mattwj2005:

sorry no mac dtm...it would be cool to have a new core 2 duo one though :-P

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** juski scans for radio channels **

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dtm:

juski: ok.

[08:18:00]

juski:

dtm: you might want to look at the myth2ipod stuff aswell (www.myth2ipod.com)

[08:18:12]

dtm:

:-o

[08:18:27]

dtm:

oh ipod. i can barely contain myself

[08:18:58]

dtm:

i am a mac addict but encoding for proprietary devices using free software has viciously consumed days of my time in vain

[08:19:03]

dtm:

and i have no ipod.

[08:19:10]

dtm:

perhaps in this way, i can have my vengeance.

[08:19:20]

defaultro:

do you think guys I should not use an existing channel lineup? It's because they are the same

[08:20:10]

defaultro:

this is what Jarod mentions on his site, 'Assign the custom lineup to your FireWire input"

[08:21:24]

defaultro:

I'm just afraid that if I enter the same entries again in mythtv-setup, I will have doubled channels. Or will mythtv prepend the tuner to the channel if pulling the same lineup?

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juski:

hrm... now should I scan for channels & risk screwing up the channels I have, or should I just insert em manually?

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dtm:

juski: how'd you get the ones you have?

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dtm:

juski: you could dump the db, scan, and possibly revert ;)

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juski:

yeah I know that, but can't be arsed testing them all again

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defaultro:

have you guys seen this when you click on Fetch Source from within mythtv-setup?

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defaultro:

HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 500 Internal Server Error

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defaultro:

02:36:27 ERROR 500: Internal Server Error.

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jigga_what:

what do you guys think about download a movie and watching it ?

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tRSS:

when I scan for channels in mythtvsetup, I see that it is scanning, but nothing is found, although I know for sure, that channels are being broadcasted on my cable!?

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defaultro:

set it to QAM256

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tRSS:

where do I set that?>

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defaultro:

how come guys, the Fetch Lineup doesn't work. I'm sure that my account in zap2it is working. I just logged in to labs.zap2it.com and it's working well

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defaultro:

us-bcast

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defaultro:

you should be fine

[08:45:58]

defaultro:

don't know why you are not getting any signal

[08:46:09]

defaultro:

it could be weak like mine before

[08:46:12]

defaultro:

actually not weak

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tRSS:

let me try that once again. FYI, i am not in the states

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defaultro:

our card isn't that sensite

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defaultro:

I used the same wire from stb and moved it over to mythtv. Mythtv didn't see anything

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defaultro:

i introduced an amplifier and mythtv was able to scan many channels

[08:46:57]

defaultro:

db is only at 22

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defaultro:

ideal is 35

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Joffray:

fetch lineup works fine

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defaultro:

doesn't work for me today

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defaultro:

:(

[08:47:28]

Joffray:

lemme double check

[08:47:30]

Joffray:

you mean

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Joffray:

mythfilldatabase?

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defaultro:

this is what am getting

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Mattwj2005:

man I can't wait until the next version of Knoppmyth

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defaultro:

mythfilldatabase is fine

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Joffray:

uhh

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defaultro:

but if doing Fetch lineup within mythtv-seutp, this is what I get

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defaultro:

HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 500 Internal Server Error

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defaultro:

02:42:26 ERROR 500: Internal Server Error.

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Joffray:

well mythfilldatabase puts the guide data into the db

[08:48:05]

Joffray:

lemme see what I get

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Mattwj2005:

the current version is kinda of buggy

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defaultro:

Matt, is that answer for me?

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Mattwj2005:

nope

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defaultro:

k

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defaultro:

I wish I can hack a table so I can populate it instead manually

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tRSS:

defaultro: which card do you have? I have a pinnacle pctv 310i

[08:49:04]

defaultro:

Fusion HDTV5

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defaultro:

Joffray, what I'm really trying to do is add a lineup for the new card I just added and that is firewire

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Joffray:

Fetching Lineups from Tribune Media...

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Joffray:

works fine

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defaultro:

i do see that

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defaultro:

let me paste something

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Joffray:

yea works fine here

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defaultro:

http://pastebin.ca/244098

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Joffray:

login/pass is wrong

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defaultro:

i don't think so

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defaultro:

I've tried many times

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defaultro:

I tried my account via labs.zap2it.com and works fine

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defaultro:

but the concern is about 500 internal server error

[08:53:06]

defaultro:

is there a table that is actually populated when we insert it

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Joffray:

http://pastebin.ca/244098

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Joffray:

that's what mine says

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Joffray:

chmod 777 your /tmp/ directory

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defaultro:

found it

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defaultro:

i'm going to update videosource table :D

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defaultro:

that should do it

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defaultro:

anyone familiar with lineupid?

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wombo:

hey peoples, im just setting up Ubuntu (edgy) for mythtv and got a question for you all

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defaultro:

should it be unique?

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wombo:

I have 2 hard drives that I would like to span to create one with the ability to add more later, from what I have read linux can easily do this

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wombo:

Does anyone know of a guide that will walk me through it?

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defaultro:

i should give up now and continue tomorrow :P

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kormoc:

wombo, google for LVM howto

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wombo:

just doing it now thanks, I didnt know what it was called. all I could think of was intel matrix raid

[09:04:16]

dtm:

i can't find any info on EDL on google or wiki

[09:04:23]

dtm:

perhaps i'm blind.

[09:05:04]

juski:

dtm: then you'd best look at the nuvexport code to see how it does it

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dtm:

k

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defaultro:

kormoc, do you use firewire?

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dtm:

the docs don't even mention it but i'll look

[09:06:36]

kormoc:

I do not, sorry

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defaultro:

np

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kormoc:

xris and SlicerDicer- both do tho

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** juski runs mythtv-setup **

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juski:

oh fuck I can't have more than one videosource per tuner

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juski:

bastard

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wombo:

I found this about LVM thanks http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-24.html

[09:08:46]

juski:

so to get radio channel EIT data I need to go over to EIT completely? awww bugger

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defaultro:

why can't we add many entries to labs.zap2it.com?

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janneg:

juski: you can with some sql magic

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defaultro:

it knows that we have already selected COMCAST DIGITAL

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juski:

janneg: really?

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janneg:

but it is probably easier to deactive EIT for the tv channels

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juski:

oh hang on yeah.. there's a 'useeit' for the videosource or something.. then I can just deselect it for the TV channels as you said

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janneg:

yes

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juski:

haha I knew the answer all along lol

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juski:

I better scoot off to work anyway

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defaultro:

hey guys, how can we add another entry in zap2it with the same type?

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juski:

update videosource set useeit="1" where sourceid="1";

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juski:

whoops

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juski:

yay got my radio channels in there. long live mysql magic :)

[10:10:34]

juski:

no eit data for 3c, virgin or heart though. I'll live :)

[10:11:18]

juski:

all I need next is my custom user jobbie & I'm set for exporting my radio shows for the car. mythtv – a pvr for radio.. just what I always wanted :D

[10:20:20]

Dibblah:

Just "download the podcast" ;)

[10:20:25]

juski:

so erm.. what's the 'radioservices' column in the cardinput table all about?

[10:20:34]

** juski doesn't believe in podcasts **

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juski:

besides there aren't podcasts of the shows I wanna listen to :-P

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Dibblah:

Marks if the source should be used for (scanner should populate) audio only channels.

[10:22:20]

juski:

ah right

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juski:

not that I added my radio channels by scanning :)

[10:23:21]

Dibblah:

Is DVB-t radio any better than DAB?

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juski:

loads better

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juski:

DAB sucks

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juski:

better bitrates for one thing

[10:25:38]

juski:

good FM >> DAB, always :)

[10:25:49]

Dibblah:

I know, unfortunately :(

[10:25:59]

juski:

blame OFCOM

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juski:

actually the number of DAB muxes has squat all to do with the available quality – I mean the 6 or 7 existing muxes would be enough if they weren't rammed past their capacity – so any expansion of muxes would only mean more stations

[10:27:32]

juski:

but because "it's digikal" it must be _better_, aight? ;)

[10:27:56]

juski:

actually a decent analogue TV signal trounces digital too

[10:28:42]

juski:

no compression artifacts, see :)

[10:29:01]

juski:

but again that needn't be the case if it weren't for mux ramming

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quicksil1er:

isn't digital higher resolution though?

[10:29:16]

juski:

nope

[10:29:30]

juski:

it does widescreen properly, that's about it

[10:30:09]

juski:

anyway the resolution is immaterial when the bitrate sinks as low as it does

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quicksil1er:

juski: in the sense that it's not interlaced, is what I meant

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quicksil1er:

juski: so full lines every frame

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juski:

it _is_ interlaced though

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quicksil1er:

oh?

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juski:

in the UK it is

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juski:

720x576i

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quicksil1er:

shows how little I know then :)

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juski:

or 704x576i

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quicksil1er:

although in practice I can quite definitely say that the digital I've seen is much better than any analogue broadcast TV i've ever seen

[10:31:16]

juski:

HDTV is either progressive or interlaced

[10:31:22]

quicksil1er:

maybe I've just never had good enough aerial/kit

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juski:

I bet you're in the US though

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Joffray:

technically analog doesn't have a resolution

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quicksil1er:

no, I'm UK

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juski:

you must've never had a properly set up aerial then

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quicksil1er:

Joffray: it has a vertical resolution

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Joffray:

not really

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quicksil1er:

well it's split into lines and broadcast

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quicksil1er:

how is that not a resolution?

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Joffray:

because there are no bounds

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juski:

ok so analogue doesn't have a 'resolution' per se, but you measure its performance in terms of MHz bandwidth for horizontal detail

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juski:

there ARE bounds

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juski:

approx 6Mhz

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juski:

& that limits the effective amount of detail you'll see

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quicksil1er:

I don't understand

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quicksil1er:

(vertically)

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quicksil1er:

I understand horizontally

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Joffray:

right, but it's apples and oranges

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juski:

so in a roundabout kind of way it's the same thing (ish)

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quicksil1er:

but vertically the lines are actually separate things, aren't they?

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Joffray:

in a very abstract way, yes

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quicksil1er:

it's actually 288 lines per frame

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Joffray:

technically, they are quite dissimilar

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quicksil1er:

so it's meaningful to say there is a vertical resolution

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juski:

yup

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juski:

288 lines per _field_ in PAL

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juski:

2 fields per frame

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juski:

25 frames per second :)

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quicksil1er:

right

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quicksil1er:

that's what I meant

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quicksil1er:

I don't understand Joffray's point at all :) there is a vertical resolution in my opinion

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juski:

don't get yer fields & frames mixed up around here :-P

[10:35:55]

juski:

anyway.. what was the point again?

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juski:

oh yeah.. digital in the UK could be better

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** quicksil1er nods **

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quicksil1er:

of course the other advantage of digital TV is you can record it digitally

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Joffray:

there is not a resolution in the same sense that you can compare to the digital notion of 'resolution'

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quicksil1er:

and a digital recording of digital TV is a whole lot better than a crappy VHS

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juski:

the problem is caused by the marketing men... "DIGITAL == better"

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Joffray:

you want to lump the ideas together, but they are quite different

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quicksil1er:

(and at least you don't degrade *any further* than the artifacts the encoder put in. Hopefully. Unless you make a mess of transcoding)

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Joffray:

yea, analog tv sucks

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juski:

analogue TV (for PAL at least) may well have less effective horizontal detail because of chroma filtering (about 3.5Mhz or so) but you'd never see motion compensation artifacts on analogue TV ;)

[10:38:29]

juski:

and it's those artifacts which ruin digital for me

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juski:

it's rather a softer image than a blocky one

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juski:

s/it's/I'd

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Joffray:

man I should finish this homework and go to bed

[10:39:21]

juski:

course there's no 'standard' minimum bitrate for digital TV in the UK, sadly

[10:40:02]

juski:

the french have it lucky. they got digital & went straight for h.264 with ac3 audio

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juski:

we have mpeg2 with mpeg1 layer2 stereo audio

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quicksil1er:

juski: why is it that I see interlacing artifacts even though I play back onto a TV and not a monitor?

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quicksil1er:

I thought you only need to deint if playing to a monitor

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Joffray:

bad interlacing artifacts can be seen on TVs

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juski:

that's usually because although the tv encoder on the vga card is outputting an interlaced mode, the data it's getting from the ramdac on the vga card is progressive ;)

[10:48:24]

juski:

oops not ramdac but the framestore

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juski:

anyway.. if you run X at 800x600, NOT interlaced, you'd have to deinterlace interlaced video, even for yout T Voutput

[10:49:11]

quicksil1er:

ah

[10:49:23]

quicksil1er:

hmm that must be it

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quicksil1er:

the ATI card doesn't support any true PAL-modes

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quicksil1er:

not as far as I can see

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quicksil1er:

just 800x600

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juski:

time to get a nvidia card then :)

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** quicksil1er has a semi-rational prejudice against closed-source drivers **

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juski:

apaologies for repeating myself here but... on my nvidia tv out I never had to deinterlace at all thanks to their flicker filter

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juski:

bah closed source/open source.. who cares if it _works_ ? ;)

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quicksil1er:

juski: it's useful to know about the flicker filter, thanks

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quicksil1er:

juski: as I said 'semi-rational'.

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quicksil1er:

:)

[10:58:04]

juski:

at least there _are_ drivers :)

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quicksil1er:

there are driver at ATI

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quicksil1er:

for

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juski:

you could maybe try a PAL modeline... infact with ATI cards it's easier to get RGB SCART straight out of the card!

[11:01:17]

juski:

RGB! :) (FTW)

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quicksil1er:

I did try some PAL modelines

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quicksil1er:

but I'm pretty sure the TV-out code will only permit 800x600

[11:03:15]

juski:

that sucks

[11:03:22]

quicksil1er:

http://gatos.sourceforge.net/theater_out.php

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juski:

if your tv has RGB input on a SCART connector I'd advise you ditch the 'tv out' & make a VGA-SCART cable & use a proper PALi modeline

[11:04:24]

quicksil1er:

I did look into that

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quicksil1er:

looked like a hassle, to be honest

[11:04:39]

quicksil1er:

it's a long time since I've wielded a soldering iron

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juski:

you ever seen RGB? it'd be worth it

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quicksil1er:

and the possibility of a software misconfiguration damaging my TV isn't a pleasant thought

[11:05:02]

juski:

and you'll get proper 1:1 scaling too

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juski:

unlikely these days

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quicksil1er:

my PS2 talks RGB to the TV, so yes I've seen it

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quicksil1er:

(stupid thing won't play DVDs in colour over RGB though due to piracy fears bleh:)

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juski:

ffs

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quicksil1er:

funny, isn't it? :)

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quicksil1er:

fortunately I bought a cheap PS2 lead which flicks between RGB and composite at the flick of a button

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juski:

hmm does the 'hostname' field in userjobs matter at all?

[11:14:21]

juski:

I'm guessing not since I just used mythtv-setup to set one up

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juski:

right then.. time to schedule some radio recordings :)

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juski:

ooo Episode 11 of 22. Written by Arthur C. Clarke, read by Hayward Morse. Earth is visited by a 50km long alien spacecraft . . . (Stereo)

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Zider:

juski: what's the title?

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slaine_:

Juski, you got VGA-SCART working on via chipset ?

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quicksil1er:

slaine_: chipset doesn't matter much to get VGA SCART working does it?

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quicksil1er:

slaine_: it's just a question of wiring and using the right modeline

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Zider:

shouldn't no

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slaine_:

Shouldn't, but apparently does

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Zider:

unless a chipset doesn't like custom modelines

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slaine_:

I've not seen any successfuly VGA-SCART reports for the Via

[11:30:14]

slaine_:

Like the Via you mean Zider :)

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Zider:

dunno, never had a via gfx

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slaine_:

You can't specify the modelines, for some reason they're built into the driver

[11:31:13]

Zider:

hmm

[11:31:17]

Zider:

that's evul

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slaine_:

I can't remember the reason, so don't know if it was a bad one or a good one

[11:31:38]

slaine_:

All I know is, it's a pita

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quicksil1er:

ah, we're talking about epia boxes and shite?

[11:33:37]

quicksil1er:

they probably were just being lazy when they wrote the driver and only support certain modelines

[11:33:44]

quicksil1er:

(only a guess tho)

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slaine_:

I don't think that was it

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Zider:

epia isn't shite :P

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ivor_:

the reason for not being able to to VGA_SCART on epia is the (apparent) inability of the VGA chipset to prduce interlaced modes.

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slaine_:

My current setup is on epia, works great, except I hate composite out

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Zider:

"It is possible, with a suitable VGA to SCART lead and a simple SYNC circuit to connect the RGB inputs of a TV to the VGA RGB outputs. The current Unichrome driver does not support the mode settings for this yet. It may not be able to if it does not support interlaced operation."

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ivor:

isn't that what I just said?

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slaine_:

I'm pretty sure I've seen Juski comment on using imodes and I thought he was on epia too

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Zider:

ivor: sorry, didn't see your comment until I had pasted already :)

[11:37:36]

ivor:

heh. :)

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slaine_:

There is an Epia board that has no backpane connectors but rather headers on the mobo for most things

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ivor:

on the plus side it seems to be possible to generate pretty much any other signal/frequency out of the VGA. just not interlaced.

[11:38:07]

slaine_:

One of the headers is the TV out one, and it's possible to wire up a scart cable to that

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juski:

ivor: really? oh bah

[11:38:31]

ivor:

juski: currently. as far as we know.

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juski:

wonder what's happening on my setup then, cos in 720x576 noscale I'm not seeing any artifacts as such

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slaine_:

http://www.mythbox.co.uk/epia_tv_out_header_connectors.htm

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slaine_:

No idea who's site that is though

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** juski laughs. **

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slaine_:

Is it yours ?

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juski:

wonder if mythbox.co.uk are ever gonna sell anything

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slaine_:

rofl, put an email address on there or something

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juski:

it's not mine

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juski:

I couldn't be arsed with the tech support

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slaine_:

I was well excited at seeing that page detailing getting RGB to work with a Via

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juski:

Zider: fyi the title is "Rendezvous With Rama"

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Zider:

juski: ahh, good one

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slaine_:

juski, So what setup do you have then ?

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juski:

this is gonan be like having digiguide integrated with my Psion wavefinder all over again.. only this'll work

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juski:

2 dvb-t tuners & a pvr150 in my ubuntu backend running on a 2000XP athlon with 512MB RAM, godknows how much HDD

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slaine_:

tv out ?

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juski:

my frontend is a diskless epia m-10k running minimyth & using a homebrew IR receiver. my remote is a OFA-6 programmed with my own codes

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juski:

I use svideo

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ivor:

and here... epia m-9k, currently "disked", homebrew IR, VGA output, sky+ remote.

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slaine_:

rgb is the killer feature I can't find

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juski:

there's a hackish mod for ordinary VGA where it combines the horizontal & vertical syncs.. VGA to SCART. yet to get it worky

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juski:

but I'm kind of tempted to add a 'red' pin to my epia board & bring it to the outside world so I can have RGB tv out

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juski:

or I could just use my s100's RGB SCART out

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juski:

but the s100 isn't yet modded to have an internal DVD drive

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ivor:

the world is waiting with baited breath to see your red pin mod.

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ivor:

that would be nice to see

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slaine_:

I've an epia MII 12000 with PVR500, shitty 80GB drive, MCE2 remote, DVD+/-RW and svideo out

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juski:

it wouldn't be reproducable by a lot of people though ivor ;)

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ivor:

I don;t care. I'd just love to see it work!

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juski:

I need to bring the box to work so I can see what's causing the very slight fuzziness on very saturated colours

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juski:

might even be my telly!

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Zider:

when you knowy, please telly

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Zider:

;)

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juski:

it might even be a filter register setting.. been thinking about it a lot lately

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juski:

if I could only get my paws on a via 1622 register tweaking program...

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juski:

;)

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Zider:

Less than three, you love me, typing out my fantasy, meet me here on IRC, L-O-L-O-L *sings*

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ivor:

didn't I send you one?

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juski:

nope

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ivor:

ah.

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ivor:

:)

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juski:

justin.hornsby@gmail.com

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juski:

do your worst, spam bots

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Zider:

muahahaha

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Zider:

*evil grin*

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juski:

Zider: I don't need any more viagra or enlargement operations thanks

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Zider:

juski: how about cheap russian date girls?

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juski:

yeah sign me up for some of that

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Zider:

or win a 82" plasma tv with just a mouse click

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ivor:

"HOT PICKS NEW ISSUE CANA PETROLEUM!!!"

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ivor:

"shame of s ex? we can cha nge it."

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juski:

why the hell don't datasheet providers ever use proper filenames?

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juski:

hmm I'll need DACSEL

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juski:

and will look at CBW too

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juski:

erm.. hang on a sec

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juski:

ah nm

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juski:

god give me strength

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juski:

IT have just been over to ask me why I think a laptop with XP MCE installed can't join our domain

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juski:

$deity help them when they start playing with Vista.. hooohooo

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juski:

bah curse my job queue time limits

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juski:

very interesting article here: http://www.regdeveloper.co.uk/2006/11/04/apac . . . port_vacuum/

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juski:

oo i found http://www.kingcot.eclipse.co.uk/unichrome/unichromeTvOut.html again

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ivor:

yup thats a fine article. (ubuntu)

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juski:

I read some chatter about interlaced video working (I think) in a framebuffer too

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ivor:

I just love the comments where people are explaining that the ubuntu config is better.

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ivor:

seem to be missing the whole point of the article.

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ivor:

i.e. so how the hell are people who write the software then expected to be able to support it.

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ivor:

juski: got a link to the "chatter?"

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juski:

http://mail.directfb.org/pipermail/directfb-u . . . /000550.html

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juski:

so judging by that it'd seem that the whole 'can't do interlaced modes cos we dunno which field is which' argument is now academic

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juski:

I can live with having to deinterlace.. it's no big deal when xvmc is enabled.. 15% CPU usage etc ;)

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sipher:

Can you seamlessly remove semi-transarent watermarks with MythTV? I've been thinking about it and it seems totaly possible. Like TNT, TBS etc.

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juski:

you could use a blur filter like avisynth can do

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juski:

or maybe you could find a blank frame & find outhow much the logo increases the luminance, then subtract it later

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sipher:

You just take a few sample frames where you know the color the pixels should be.. like solid black etc.. and figure out the combined color of the overlay.. then any color covered by the overlay could be recovered.

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sipher:

yup

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sipher:

That would be freakin awesome

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juski:

would only work with static images though

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juski:

some experiements with the GIMP are called for then ;)

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** juski yells "bring out the GIMP" **

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juski:

they _must_ show black frames with the logo superimposed at some point ;)

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sipher:

They do. In between clips.. like on the X-Files when they fad out/in to another scene

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juski:

you could actually use an algorithm to find only the static parts of the video too

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sipher:

fade*

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sipher:

juski: MythTV already does that to find the logos.. to help determine what's not a commercial

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dverzolla:

juski, Hi!

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juski:

bye!

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juski:

joking, but I am visiting our other site later.. carry on

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sipher:

No way to get rid of those obscenely invasive popups during shows though.. especially since a lot of them have sound too. o_O

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juski:

that's just plain evil & a good excuse to stop watching their filth ;)

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sipher:

I love how they punish everyone because of the people skipping their commercials with PVR's

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juski:

nah we have had em over here for years

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juski:

massive blue bar comes in off the side telling you what's on next..

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juski:

er.. HELLO! If I want to know what's on next I press this button here ;)

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sipher:

On TNT they have this huge one that plays a loud screaching tire noise that's like half the screen.. telling you every 10 minutes about the NASCAR event a month away.. I don't watch any sports.. grr

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dverzolla:

juski, yesterday we are talking about my need, that is, record 24h... and you suggest to I record in snips of 1h, right? You now if is possible to do this without lose data?

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juski:

so boycott TNT

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juski:

dverzolla: so long as the start of each chunk is in sync with the show boundaries it'll be ok

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juski:

to be 100% sure you'd need 2 tuners

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dverzolla:

juski, Yes, I really need 2 tuners :|

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dverzolla:

juski, You know DSP cards?

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juski:

nope

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dverzolla:

juski, http://www.dspr.com

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dverzolla:

juski, this card have a chip that encode in h264, mpeg4

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dverzolla:

juski, but I think that this card doesn't work in linux :|

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juski:

unless it has linux drivers, forget it

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juski:

just get a pvr500 & have done with it.. and f'ing huge HDD

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dverzolla:

juski, the problem is, I'm in Brazil, HP haven't resellers here :|

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juski:

ah well.

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dverzolla:

juski, You work with pvr500 in linux? using all features?

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juski:

nah just pvr150

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dverzolla:

juski, If the board work in Linux, then the board work in myth... right?

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juski:

not entirely true but usually

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juski:

hahaha I need to install mp3 support on my box

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juski:

oh bugger I need to build ffmpeg too

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juski:

fuckbuntu!

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Merlin83b:

My box broke :(

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Merlin83b:

Physically, in a hardware failure kind of way.

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juski:

whoops

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Merlin83b:

Yeah, lucky I had a spare m10k around to quickly transplant it into!

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Merlin83b:

I shall now fax this RMA form to Tranquil PC.

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juski:

did it just blowed up?

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Merlin83b:

It rebooted itself and then wouldn't get past the lilo screen and now won't get past the putting anything on the screen stage.

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Merlin83b:

Occasionally it puts the Via logo up, shows the press ESC to choose boot order thing, then reboots again.

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Merlin83b:

Transplanting all the stuff into the other 10k works perfectly. Back it goes!

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juski:

reset

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juski:

oh you bastards. mp3 support without gstreamer.. try finding out about it now!

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Zider:

juski: huh?

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juski:

ubuntu, of course

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Zider:

oookay

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juski:

are the debian ffmpeg libs fully functional? i.e. not crippled?

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juski:

dont wanna have to build ffmpeg meself if I can help it

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juski:

bah must dash

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Zider:

dash slash backslash

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tRSS:

when I scan for channels in mythtv, it doesn't find any channels at all? how can I fix this? BTW, I am not in the U.S.

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tRSS:

*when I scan for channels......

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antiPosix:

I have a USB (mceusb2) IR Reciever working. I recently aquired a serial blaster. How do I go about adding that to my already working lirc installation

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antiPosix:

run the setup dialog program to build the blaster's kern module I assume

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antiPosix:

but what about the lircd.conf file

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adante:

i'm getting some really baffling behaviour with myth

[15:23:35]

adante:

myth seems to be recording my shows an hour early

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adante:

by which i mean, they are actually in the guide at the right time

[15:23:51]

adante:

(eg the simpsons: 6pm)

[15:24:11]

adante:

but the recordings are showing up as 4:57 – 5:40pm

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Dibblah:

Daylight savings?

[15:24:49]

adante:

does myth internally account for daylight savings?

[15:24:56]

Dibblah:

No.

[15:25:04]

Dibblah:

Relies on the OS.

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adante:

then no, not daylight savings

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quicksil1er:

hmph

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quicksil1er:

are the shows correctly recorded, though?

[15:26:44]

quicksil1er:

or is it recording the wrong thing?

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adante:

it is recording the wrong thing

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adante:

it is recording whatever is on at 5–5:30

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adante:

simpsons is on at 6, as is shown in the epg

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adante:

is there a way to flush/refresh rescheduling

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adante:

possibly this was caused by injecting some poisoned guide data earlier

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defaultro:

hey folks, anyone here has DCT6200 box?

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opello:

adante: what version (myth and qt)? there was a DST bug in QT a while back

[15:31:00]

defaultro:

and anyone here uses firewire recording?

[15:31:51]

quicksil1er:

adante: (obvious question) does the machien think the time is correct?

[15:31:58]

quicksil1er:

adante: if you just type 'date' at the commandline, say

[15:33:32]

adante:

opello: 11689.. not sure how to get qt ver

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adante:

quicksil1er: yep, time is fine

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defaultro:

hi quicksil1er, do yo use use firewire recording?

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adante:

quicksil1er: even if it weren't, the fact it's recording an hour earlier than the show is in the epg, suggests.. well, wierdness

[15:34:51]

opello:

not if the guide data was received before the clock changed

[15:35:21]

opello:

(at least that's how the problem showed up last time iirc)

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quicksil1er:

ah that's interesting

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fryfrog:

defaultro: i use fw

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adante:

opello: hmm.. well i don't actually have DST here.. but the place i am getting the guide data from does

[15:35:46]

fryfrog:

but i have a pair of DCT6412's

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quicksil1er:

I redownload the stuff every day so that wouldn't have hit me too bad

[15:38:18]

adante:

opello: what i don't understand is, in upcoming recordings, it is showing the correct time that it will record (ie in time with epg)

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defaultro:

hey fryfrog

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adante:

but when it comes to the actual recording, this is happening 1 hour early

[15:38:48]

defaultro:

fryfrog, I'm having issues with channel lineup on .20

[15:39:05]

defaultro:

i don't know where I am wrong

[15:39:24]

defaultro:

I went to #2 in mythtv-setup and added the firewire capture card

[15:39:49]

tRSS:

when I scan for channels in mythtv, it doesn't find any channels at all? how can I fix this? BTW, I am not in the U.S.

[15:40:05]

adante:

well it gets bizarrer

[15:40:14]

adante:

mythweb records it as airing at the correct time

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defaultro:

then on video sources, I created a new entry but it's very weird that it's not able to connect zap2it. That means, I'm not able to pull the zipcode dropdown

[15:40:42]

adante:

the actual file has 1657 for the start time field

[15:41:16]

adante:

how can i flush the upcoming recordings?

[15:41:33]

defaultro:

fryfrog, I don't know if this is an issue. I enter my username/password and I click Fetch lineup. Something pops up very quickly. I know that when this is clicked, the dropdown gets populated. It doesn't on mine.

[15:42:01]

opello:

adante: it should recalculate them if you restart the backend, i think

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adante:

opello: ok, i deleted EVERYTHING from program, restarted the backend, initially the upcoming recordings is blank, then some pop up

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opello:

i guess if you have 'every week at this same time' style recordings it can set those

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adante:

hm

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opello:

(i'm not sure how the scheduler works, without guide data available)

[15:44:46]

adante:

is there a way to get rid of them

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adante:

when i try to click on them, it takes me to an empty listings page

[15:45:07]

adante:

heh yes.. i'm not sure if it does :]

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opello:

backup and clear your schedules?

[15:46:31]

adante:

is there an sql easy way to clear schedules?

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fryfrog:

defaultro: I setup a line up with labs.zap2it.com, then setup the "firewire" cards, then bound the data direct channel line up to them

[15:47:19]

fryfrog:

defaultro: can you do the "remove all cards" thing maybe?

[15:47:32]

fryfrog:

there shouldn't be anything special about firewire and channel line ups

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defaultro:

ok

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defaultro:

i really don't know why it's doing that

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adante:

mmmmok gets wierder

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adante:

certain parts of myth seems to think it is one hour earlier than it is

[15:49:49]

defaultro:

once I click fetch, on the ssh screen, it says, HTTP 500 INTERNAL SERVER ERROR

[15:49:58]

adante:

MythWeb: Fri Nov 10, 2006, 02:47 AM

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adante:

mythbackend-log: 2006-11–10 01:48:16.329 adding: pveer as a client (events: 0)

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defaultro:

fryfrog, I don't have any issue with the firewire card because I'm able to record manually via the command line

[15:50:34]

adante:

the hud in watch tv also reports 1:48

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defaultro:

<fryfrog> defaultro: can you do the "remove all cards" thing maybe?

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adante:

why would parts of myth be an hour off?

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defaultro:

do you mean, remove all cards from item #2?

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adante:

meanwhile encoder status: Encoder 1 is local on pveer and is recording: 'Late Show with David Letterman' on NINE. This recording will end at 2:00 AM.

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defaultro:

and fryfrog, tell me if what I did is wrong. I went to zap2it and added a new zip so that I can select COMCAST DIGITAL again.

[15:52:38]

fryfrog:

10:49 < defaultro> once I click fetch, on the ssh screen, it says, HTTP 500 INTERNAL SERVER ERROR

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fryfrog:

I think that must be the problem

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fryfrog:

I wouldn't do anything I suggested :)

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defaultro:

ok

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defaultro:

but here is one thing that's weird

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defaultro:

if i ran mythfilldatabase manually, it is able to pull properly without that 500 error

[15:53:55]

defaultro:

i mean, if i run .........

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fryfrog:

Are your two line ups named differently?

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defaultro:

yes

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defaultro:

actually, i have 4

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defaultro:

let me do a copy of the screen

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fryfrog:

if you go back to an already setup card, can you re-fetch the line up?

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defaultro:

here, http://restricted.dyndns.org/zap2it.gif

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defaultro:

I haven't tried your suggestion yet

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defaultro:

I'm scared that I might screw it up. What do you think?

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defaultro:

did you see the screenshot?

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fryfrog:

you can always back out w/o changing stuff

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defaultro:

i had an impression that when we quit mythtv-setup, it always add it

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fryfrog:

then do a db dump right now :)

[16:05:27]

defaultro:

ok, i did last night :D

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defaultro:

I'm going to try again

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defaultro:

I can just restore the videosource table then

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fryfrog:

in a change screen, I *think* if you hit ESC it won't make changes. If you hit "finish" it will

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fryfrog:

at least, i think

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defaultro:

ah

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defaultro:

yep, looks like that's right

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defaultro:

trying out now

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twisty7867:

has anyone ever used the twinhan atsc d+a card on linux? it's not officially supported but the tuner is the same as others that are

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fryfrog:

and i see your ss, all the names are diff /

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fryfrog:

twisty7867: any reports of which linux drivers it uses?

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fryfrog:

twisty7867: by *tuner* are you refering to the phsyical tuner?

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adante:

would it be safe to delete the record table?

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twisty7867:

not sure. I don't have a good understanding of the architecture of TV capture cards. here's what twinhan had to say: "It’s conexant fusion 878A+ Philips tuner TUV1236D"

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defaultro:

look what happens, http://pastebin.ca/244278

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seth|laptop:

fryfrog: on this harmony remote, where do I go to set it up as a pvr350?

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fryfrog:

seth|laptop: Just choose "mythtv" for the make/model (it appears soemwhere). that one is copying the "big" pvr350 remote

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seth|laptop:

the one that says MythTV MythTV

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fryfrog:

twisty7867: I wouldn't believe it until you find someone with the exact same card, saying it works

[16:09:41]

fryfrog:

seth|laptop: that'd be it, unless there are any other "MythTV" entries/

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seth|laptop:

no, thanks man. This thing takes like a day to setup, hehe

[16:10:20]

fryfrog:

weird that you get 500 errors :/

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defaultro:

fryfrog, i noticed too that in capture cards – i have 2 "remove all capture cards". One is 'remove all capture cards' and the other one is, 'remove all capture cards on localhost.' Is this weird?

[16:10:39]

adante:

anybody here using a relatively recent SVN version which is working fine?

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fryfrog:

seth|laptop: I still don't have my remote at 100% of what I want, but it does nicely :)

[16:10:59]

seth|laptop:

:-)

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fryfrog:

defaultro: nope, totally normal

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juski:

I still need a toggle timestretch button on my remote

[16:11:12]

defaultro:

fryfrog, but like what I mentioned earlier, if running mythfilldatabase, no 500 errors

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fryfrog:

defaultro: the first will remove *all* capture cards on *all* backends. The second removes them from the box you are on

[16:11:30]

defaultro:

ah

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fryfrog:

defaultro: could be accessing a different url to pull the channel line up vs. actual data

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defaultro:

let me try a tcpdump

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fryfrog:

maybe you could get someone to try getting a channel line up *right now*

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defaultro:

they did

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defaultro:

last nigh

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fryfrog:

also, did it have the same problem on an existing connection?

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defaultro:

it was fine

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defaultro:

i haven't tried it

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fryfrog:

oh, so its been doing it for like 12 hours?

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defaultro:

yes

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defaultro:

but the other guy didn't experience it

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defaultro:

i will dump again to grab the latest

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WeezeyD:

I keep getting this error: kernel: ivtv0 warning: Needed 8192 bufs for encoder MPEG stream, received 0 (buffers free 0, dma 0, full 264) I know I'm supposed to put vmalloc=192M somewhere, but where exactly?

[16:13:28]

defaultro:

then I will go to an existing Video Source and fetch lineup

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defaultro:

done. I'm going to do it now

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fryfrog:

modprobe options?

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fryfrog:

192M sounds *huge* though

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WeezeyD:

fryfrog: sounds good to me, I don't have an options line for that device though, what should it look like?

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fryfrog:

"options vmalloc=192M" maybe?

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defaultro:

I selected the one that is working. It unpopulated the Data Direct lineup dropdown

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fryfrog:

SUCK!

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fryfrog:

something is wrong sir!

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defaultro:

yes

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fryfrog:

lemme check what my backend is doing, maybe i can x11vnc it

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defaultro:

let me do tcpdump

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fryfrog:

er is for bitches :)

[16:16:31]

fysa:

what are the best nfs mount options?

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defaultro:

it goes to 206.18.98.160.tms-idc.com.http

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fysa:

for gigabit?

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WeezeyD:

fryfrog: hmm, it says kernel options, is that on the kernel line of grub.conf?

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defaultro:

looks like the network(first 3 octets) is fine

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defaultro:

it belongs to zap2it.com

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defaultro:

so that means, my copy wasn't hacked

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fryfrog:

damn, my connection is lagging like a ho

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fryfrog:

WeezeyD: ivtv is a mdoule, it'd go where your distro wants module options

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fryfrog:

in mine (gentoo)_ that is /etc/modules.d/ivtv

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fryfrog:

fysa: (rw,no_root_squash,async,no_subtree_check) <-- exports options

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fysa:

my read speed is decent (16.6 MB/s), but my write speed is hrorible (4.4 MB /s)

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fryfrog:

fysa: soft,intr,rsize=32768,wsize=32768,async,nfsvers=3,bg,actimeo=0,tcp

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defaultro:

fryfrog, anymore ideas?

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fryfrog:

those are my fstab (mount) options

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fysa:

thanks frog

[16:20:25]

fryfrog:

fysa: make sure async is on (sync is slow)

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fryfrog:

I get something like 30mb write speeds, so for gige your read is pretty slow too

[16:20:54]

fryfrog:

i think

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fryfrog:

defaultro: trying to x11vnc :)

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defaultro:

k

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defaultro:

I do see that my username is sent correctly too

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fysa:

is that with jumbo frames, fryfrog?

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fryfrog:

no, no jumbo frames

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fryfrog:

lemme do a read write test in a few min :)

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fryfrog:

i've done write, but not read

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fysa:

18.6 reads now

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fysa:

time dd if=./test.dat of=/dev/null bs=8k count=50000

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fryfrog:

10–12mb/sec is 100mbit, gige should be better

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fryfrog:

is that dd making a file *bigger* than the ram on eiteh rbox?

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fryfrog:

ie, if you have 1G ram you should be writing a 1.5 or so file

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fryfrog:

1.5G

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fysa:

that's the read test..

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hjohnson:

fryfrog: depends on packet size... at gig-e systems, most systems will be bound by the number of packets per second they can handle rather than the actual data throughput

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defaultro:

different question, if i add another 500mb so that it becomes 1 gig, what benefit does my mythtv get?

[16:26:18]

fryfrog:

defaultro: nope, mine works :/

[16:26:29]

fryfrog:

you mean another 512mb of *ram*?

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defaultro:

you mean, the fetch channels?

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fryfrog:

defaultro: yeah, my channel line up fetch worked fine :/

[16:27:11]

defaultro:

ouch

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defaultro:

i don't know what's wrong with my setup

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defaultro:

am on .20

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juski:

maxbitrate is greater than original. Using source bitrate to save space.. booyeah

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hjohnson:

defaultro: if you increase your memory, certain things will be faster (say commercial detection, since from what I understand, that's very memory intensive).. bt also unix just likes more memory period, since it will use unused ram to cache the filesystem.

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fysa:

time dd if=/dev/zero of=./test.dat bs=16k count=50000

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defaultro:

ok

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fysa:

819200000 bytes (819 MB) copied, 93.9115 seconds, 8.7 MB/s

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fysa:

:/

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defaultro:

fryfrog, i found this from the capture. http://206.18.98.160/tvlistings/xtvdService

[16:30:26]

defaultro:

i tried it from browser and it prompted me a username/password screen

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fryfrog:

yuck, 8.7 mb / sec sucks

[16:30:52]

fryfrog:

how is local write speed?

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defaultro:

however, browsers when loading a site is always GET

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fryfrog:

1536000000 bytes (1.5 GB) copied, 101.166 s, 15.2 MB/s

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fysa:

write?

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defaultro:

do you know which part of the code connects to that link?

[16:31:44]

fryfrog:

But unfortuantly, i am doing a TON of stuff at the same time now

[16:31:51]

fryfrog:

yeah, that was write. lemme try locally

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fysa:

ah, crap.

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fysa:

I bet it's because I turned irqpoll on.

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fryfrog:

irqpoll?

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fysa:

it was supposed to fix an issue with my SATA cards.

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defaultro:

looks like my password isn't being sent. Can someone verify if the function piece in myth encrypts the password before it gets sent to zap2it?

[16:33:28]

fryfrog:

1536000000 bytes (1.5 GB) copied, 32.9584 s, 46.6 MB/s

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fysa:

let me try turning it off and testing again.. irqpoll is very bad for performance.

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fryfrog:

And I usually see about 70–80mb/sec write speed. I'll have to wait until I'm done raping both systems to get a more accurate result

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fryfrog:

And that won't be for about another day :(

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fryfrog:

tcp and async are the big ones for nfs on gige

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fryfrog:

the r/wsize are important too, but you can use 9192

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fryfrog:

er

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fryfrog:

what is the 9x1024 :)

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fysa:

yeah, this is 7 drives on two PCI SATA controllers and an embedded garbage gigE controller with an Athlon 2200+ underclocked to 1GHz. ;)

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fryfrog:

or 8x1024

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fryfrog:

oh yeah, nfsvers=3 very important

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fysa:

haha. OK, yeah, my local write speeds just dropped to 3MB/s.

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fryfrog:

Mine is 5x drives on built in sata controolers (2 more drives are part of another raid)

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fysa:

they're usually at 4–60

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fryfrog:

is hdparm been run?

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fysa:

er 40–60

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fryfrog:

i mean, dma?

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fryfrog:

embeded gige == nvidia?

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fryfrog:

god it takes a long time to "emerge -e world" :(

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defaultro:

does this ring a bell to you, "nonce"?

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fryfrog:

not to me :(

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defaultro:

k

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defaultro:

mythtv-setup uses wget

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defaultro:

what is ARGuments for sh?

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defaultro:

$ARGV[1] doesnt work

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defaultro:

got it :D it's $1 and so on

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defaultro:

bam, I tricked mythtv by creating a wget bash file

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defaultro:

I can see the parameters being sent my mythv-setup

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defaultro:

username/passwords are correct

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defaultro:

don't know what this is though, --post-file=/tmp/mythtv_post_F92djT

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seth|laptop:

fryfrog: were you able to get a dvd activity using mythtv, on the harmony, it wont let me keeps saying "you do noit have a device for watching dvd's"

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quicksil1er:

seth|laptop: sounds like it could be a simple 'you haven't symlinked /dev/dvd/' issue?

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** r3z is pissed at knoppmyth **

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seth|laptop:

quicksil1er: no, this is for a remote control. My dvd player works fine, :-)

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juski:

arghh fucking oneword's lazy schedule

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defaultro:

i think, i know the problem now. The file /tmp/mythtv_post_yXigNh is missing when it is needed by wget

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defaultro:

because, here is what it says during the run

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defaultro:

Connecting to datadirect.webservices.zap2it.com[206.18.98.160]:80... connected.

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defaultro:

POST data file missing: /tmp/mythtv_post_yXigNh

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juski:

wow. they're making/have made a movie of rendezvous with rama

[16:58:22]

GreyFoxx:

Really???

[16:58:26]

GreyFoxx:

I loved those books

[16:58:58]

defaultro:

Hi GreyFoxx, can you help me please with troubleshooting?

[16:59:32]

juski:

Starring: Morgan Freeman

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juski:

!

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juski:

GreyFoxx: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0134933/

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defaultro:

hey guys, how do I find out what DISPLAY my X is currently running?

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psofa:

defaultro, echo $DISPLAY

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fysa:

is anyone on 2.6.18?

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defaultro:

ok, that means, it's correct

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defaultro:

but running mythtv-setup as root can't connect to my X

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defaultro:

but if using mythtv account, it does

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defaultro:

psofa, Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server

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defaultro:

Xlib: No protocol specified

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defaultro:

only when ran as root

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defaultro:

oh, let me try xhost

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psofa:

:)

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Cardoe:

hey all

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Cardoe:

so I've got a DirecTV box which says it puts out 16:9 when I've got it hooked via S-Video

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Cardoe:

it appears to on my TV

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Cardoe:

Now I have my PVR-500 connected to the box

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antiPosix:

isnt DirectTV TiVo?

[17:15:10]

Cardoe:

anyone know how I can grab it 16:9

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Cardoe:

antiPosix: no

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antiPosix:

settop box?

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Cardoe:

yes

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juski:

Cardoe: yeah just set the input connection to 16:9

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Cardoe:

juski: in Myth?

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juski:

yeah

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Cardoe:

where?

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defaultro:

ran mythtv-setup as root, didn't fix the issue. FREAK!!!

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defaultro:

:(

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juski:

erm... hang on Cardoe

[17:16:00]

Cardoe:

juski: mythtv-setup is kinda messed up for me.

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antiPosix:

defaultro: the one hour skew thing?

[17:16:04]

defaultro:

hi Cardoe, maybe you can help me please with my mythtv-setup issue

[17:16:09]

defaultro:

nope

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defaultro:

Video Source

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defaultro:

it's not able to fetch lineup

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defaultro:

:(

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Cardoe:

juski: I mean MythFrontend -> Setup is screwed up for me.

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Cardoe:

defaultro: how from DD?

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Cardoe:

juski: it overscans terribly

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defaultro:

DD?

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Cardoe:

defaultro: DataDirect

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defaultro:

oh

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defaultro:

here is the weird thing

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defaultro:

i have 3 entries previously that are working fine

[17:17:23]

defaultro:

i added last night a new one for a new zip(same progrmaming though)

[17:17:41]

defaultro:

i clicked fetch lineup and it didn't populate the DataDirect lineup dropdown

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Cardoe:

weird

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defaultro:

i selected an existing one(fryfrog's suggestion), i clicked fetch lineup, it unpopulated the dropdown

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Cardoe:

yeah

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Cardoe:

myth isn't parsing the response

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Cardoe:

either it's too much for it to parse

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Cardoe:

or they changed the response around

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defaultro:

then on the ssh screen since i manually started the mythtv-setup, it says 500 HTTP INTERNAL SERVER ERROR

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Cardoe:

mmk

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defaultro:

but mythfilldatabase is working fine

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Cardoe:

so either myth is sending the wrong data

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Cardoe:

well then myth is sending the wrong data for the fetch

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defaultro:

i renamed wget so that I can see what it is sending

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defaultro:

it's sending the parameters properly

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defaultro:

i created a new wget

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defaultro:

this is what I did :)

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defaultro:

echo $0 $1 $2 $3 $4 $5 $6 $7 $8 $9 $10 $11 $12 $13 $14 $15 > /tmp/zap2it

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juski:

poop. there _used_ to be an aspect ratio setting in mythtv-setup

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defaultro:

evrytime i click fetch lineup, i go back to my ssh and do a cat /tmp/zap2it

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defaultro:

my username/password are sent properly

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juski:

just grab it as 4:3 – it'll be amorphic anyway.. fix it on playback

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defaultro:

Cardoe, this is what it says which i think is correct. /usr/bin/wget --http-user=myname --http-passwd=mypass --post-file=/tmp/mythtv_post_Hrmlda --header=Accept-Encoding:gzip http://datadirect.webservices.zap2it.com/tvlistings/xtvdService --output-document=-

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defaultro:

running mythfilldatabase is almost the same

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defaultro:

the only difference is the --output-document=, it uses a filename

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juski:

oh wait or is it in recording profiles? hmmm

[17:22:11]

defaultro:

i just ran mythtv-setup as root but didn't help

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defaultro:

same behaviour

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defaultro:

Cardoe, do you have any ideas? I'm using .20

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defaultro:

I don't know if that has been broken before since we guys came from an older version which it just needs to upgrade the schema

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defaultro:

and maybe, it was never tested

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Cardoe:

defaultro: try to run the line from command line

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Cardoe:

what do you get

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Cardoe:

well you can't I guess since the myth_post file won't exist

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defaultro:

same error, i tried that earlier

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Cardoe:

the post variables are wrong

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defaultro:

but i was wondering why I was seeing POST, data missing : /tmp/mythtv_...

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Cardoe:

something Myth is making in it's post variables is wrong

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Cardoe:

try to use wireshark and capture what's sent on the wire

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defaultro:

i just see

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defaultro:

username="myusername".,realm="something"

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defaultro:

nonce="seomthing too"

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defaultro:

password var is not there

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defaultro:

but am also wondering why other guys on .20, they don't have any issue when clicking the fetch lineup in Video Sources

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defaultro:

it's my 4th entry by the way

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defaultro:

i think, mythtv can handle it properly

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defaultro:

this is what I posted earlier, http://pastebin.ca/244278

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Cardoe:

I have 2 entries working fine right now

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Cardoe:

about to add a 3rd

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defaultro:

ok

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Cardoe:

yeah bad post variables is the only thing that gives you 500s from them

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Cardoe:

basically bad data being sent by Myth

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defaultro:

ok

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Cardoe:

When I wrote my own little DD parser

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Cardoe:

I only got a 500 when I was setting the wrong variables on the method calls

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defaultro:

who creates /tmp/mythtv_****?

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Cardoe:

defaultro: myth

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defaultro:

ok

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WeezeyD:

//www.mail-archive.com/ivtv-devel@ivtvdriver.org/msg03294.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.mail-archive.com/ivtv-devel@ivtvdr . . . sg03294.html where do I set this option on a Fedora box? I've tried in /etc/modprobe.conf as : options ivtv vmalloc=192M and it won't initialize the device and I've tried as another option on the kernel line in /etc/grub.conf and it doesn't do anything. Little help?

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Cardoe:

gonna need to use wireshark

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Cardoe:

juski: I'll poke around

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defaultro:

I don't think wireshark can capture file being sent locally

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Cardoe:

no

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Cardoe:

capture what's sent to DD

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defaultro:

like what i did right?

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Cardoe:

you're just capturing the output of wget

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defaultro:

nope

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defaultro:

i'm capturing what it gets sent to wget

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Cardoe:

that too

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defaultro:

here is what I did and tell me if I'm wrong

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Cardoe:

But let's see what wget sends to DataDirect

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defaultro:

mv /usr/bin/wget /usr/bin/wget.real

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defaultro:

ah

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defaultro:

then i have this in a the new wget

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defaultro:

#!/bin/sh

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defaultro:

echo $0 $1 $2 $3 $4 $5 $6 $7 $8 $9 $10 $11 $12 $13 $14 $15 > /tmp/zap2it

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defaultro:

but yes, let's see what gets sent to DD

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Anduin:

defaultro: perms on /tmp are good?

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defaultro:

yes

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defaultro:

:D

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defaultro:

but wait

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defaultro:

can you tell if this is fine though

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defaultro:

drwxrwxrwt 7 root root 4096 Nov 9 11:41 tmp

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defaultro:

should i change it to mythtv

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defaultro:

i have O as rwx which i assumed should be fine

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defaultro:

i think it's fine because it's able to create the file /tmp/zap2it when i was troubleshooting it

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baxter_kylie:

Hi. Does anyone here use xine for dvd's and lirc? I'm having some strange behaviour with events.

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Anduin:

defaultro: Yeah, that is fine

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defaultro:

k

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defaultro:

thanks folks for staying with me ;)

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Anduin:

defaultro: http://pastebin.ca/244348 does that work?

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robthebob:

just setting up a pvr-150, what's the best driver version to go for?

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antiPosix:

the one that goes with your kernel

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antiPosix:

we're talking ivtv correct?

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defaultro:

let me check

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robthebob:

yes

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robthebob:

i'm on 2.6.15 at the moment

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** antiPosix looks towards his Hauppauge PVR-150 and smiles **

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robthebob:

i was just looking on gentoo-wiki, and it recommends 0.4.x with 2.6.15

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robthebob:

does it come in the kernel with more up to date versions?

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robthebob:

i didn't think it was in the kernel

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Anduin:

robthebob: Not yet, and 0.4 is good for that kernel

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robthebob:

thanks Anduin, is it worth going to a higher kernel version to get more up to date drivers?

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defaultro:

Anduin, it worked

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Anduin:

robthebob: I don't think so

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antiPosix:

I followed some cryptic wiki document to get my ivtv and firmware working properly

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defaultro:

12:00:43 (53.80 KB/s) – `/tmp/zap2it.data' saved [109,272]

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robthebob:

ok cheers

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Anduin:

defaultro: do you have any mythtv_blah files in /tmp?

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antiPosix:

at one point I had to sprinkle holy water around the PC and say a prayer, it was really odd, but the thing works!

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defaultro:

checking

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defaultro:

none

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Anduin:

defaultro: Ok, makes no sense to me.

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robthebob:

:p thanks antiPosix

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antiPosix:

I'm just glad the HOWTO didnt say Jump off a bridge, cause "if you dont follow a HOWTO exactly, you'll never achieve that in which you set out for" – JRTolkien

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defaultro:

you have an rm in the last line

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defaultro:

it deletes it once it's finished

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Anduin:

defaultro: Yeah, I was just looking for some reason the real mythfilldatabase failed

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antiPosix:

if first you dont succeed, install ubuntu

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antiPosix:

another famous qoute

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defaultro:

my mythfilldatabase is working fine. The problem is with mythtv-setup when I click on Fetch LineUp in Video Sources

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Anduin:

defaultro: Ah, what I get for not reading the scrollback

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defaultro:

i'm sorry

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defaultro:

What should I do next?

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Led-Hed:

when running the mysql client from the same box as the server does the client still run through tcp/ip?

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GreyFoxx:

Led-Hed: depends

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GreyFoxx:

if you have it connecting to "localhost" or "127.0.0.1" it will us a local unix socket

[18:11:32]

GreyFoxx:

if you use the external IP on one of the interfaces it will be an IP connection

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Led-Hed:

oops. wrong channel. =) thanks for the answer

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Led-Hed:

I typically just run the client as follows: mysql -u username -p database

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GreyFoxx:

that would be a local socket

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Led-Hed:

ok, thanks

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defaultro:

Led, you can try tcpdump -i lo0

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Led-Hed:

defaultro: thanks, good idea

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Led-Hed:

hey GreyFoxx, did you ever get Name Hashing for MythGame into SVN?

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Henkie:

hi, my mythbackend takes up 100% cpu usage, while not recording, or a frontend is active

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antiPosix:

I dont think mythbackend can run on an AT-8086

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antiPosix:

or a commadore 64, though i may be incorrect

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Anduin:

There is a UPnP bug in there somewhere

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defaultro:

Cardoe? Still there?

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seth|laptop:

hmm, how does one identify the version of lirc they are using?

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seth|laptop:

nm, it is in the header of the lirc.conf file

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fryfrog:

that might not be accurate

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Led-Hed:

I have a table that contains corrupt data, when I run queries against that table it causes mysql server to crash. Is it possible to just delete the corrups pieve of data and recover the remaining data in the table?

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Led-Hed:

s/pieve/piece

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Led-Hed:

damn it. wrong channel again!

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Led-Hed:

sorry

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Led-Hed:

I keep clicking the myth tab instead of the mysql tab...

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antiPosix:

we all do it

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defaultro:

Anduin, any more ideas?

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seth|laptop:

I was more concerned with seeing 0.7.x as that is required to use the pvr350 config file

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juski:

hmmm .. could I have an opinion on this please? www.juski.co.uk/newblue.png ?

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seth|laptop:

nice

[18:39:04]

juski:

just playing

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juski:

;)

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juski:

as ever, when there's something better to be doing

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seth|laptop:

ProjectBlueham

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juski:

if people moaned the original PG themes are big... oof

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juski:

if such a theme is to happen, some plugins need patched to accept their own backgrounds

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juski:

although I could always make the watermarks much bigger to work around that

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darrenp:

Juski: Nice theme! :)

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juski:

for it to work on all the screens, the watermarks will have to be 615x720 so the background will work properly on plugins

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juski:

and that will make the theme super big

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juski:

and yes, it's _blue_ !

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juski:

hahaha pink!

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juski:

project girlsblouse

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juski:

www.juski.co.uk/pinky.png

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juski:

www.juski.co.uk/bluey.png

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juski:

his 'n' her hem.. (ahem)

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juski:

I think I'm gonna make this

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carstenc:

Hello all

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clars:

:-)

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psofa:

anyone running ivtv-0.8(ish) with mythtv and kernel 2.6.18 successfully?

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Cardoe:

someone ping? the netsplit cleared me

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scopeuk:

what?

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Cardoe:

did someone ping

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Cardoe:

not can someone ping

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scopeuk:

yes i pinged you

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Cardoe:

psofa: yes

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Cardoe:

prior to the netsplit

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Cardoe:

it killed my scrollback

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scopeuk:

go to your logs

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scopeuk:

msot clients defautl to on

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psofa:

Cardoe, are you positive myth sets the resolution/bitrate of the card correctly?

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Cardoe:

scopeuk: not necessarily and I know mine has not.

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scopeuk:

ok

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Cardoe:

psofa: works for me on NTSC

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Cardoe:

psofa: with a PVR-150 and PVR-500

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Cardoe:

oh and I guess I did test the PVR-250

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carstenc:

Does somebody have a page with themes for Mythtv ?

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psofa:

Cardoe, hmm ill try again in case i did sth wrong , ty :)

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JDahl:

I got a TV tuner card, and I am trying to setup mythtv on Ubuntu Edgy. I get the apparently typical problem with "Access denied for user 'mythtv'@'localhost' (using password: YES)", and recommended fixes on the web are very different. Has anyone here succesfully installed mythtv on a fresh Edgy install?

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Cardoe:

you're using the wrong password

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Cardoe:

that's a basic MySQL issue

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Cardoe:

or your permissions are wrong for your user

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Cardoe:

or you have not created the user

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Anduin:

JDahl: did you mc.sql?

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JDahl:

Cardoe, I created the mythtv user, and I tried to give him permissions to mysql

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JDahl:

Anduin, no, what is mc.sql?

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Anduin:

JDahl: it creates the base mythconverg database and adds mythtv@localhost access to it

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kormoc:

the file the setups the default user and database...

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kormoc:

tho, it's not like it's documented anywhere people would look... ( http://mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-6.html#ss6.2 )

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JDahl:

kormoc, I thought the ubuntu package would do that for me – mc.sql isn't listed anywhere in the apt database

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kormoc:

you should talk to the ubuntu packagers then, if they didn't package up the required files

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dtm:

has anyone here converted mythcommflag into mencoder EDL directly?

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reeddler:

hello

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reeddler:

why would this be a negative number? 0: start_time: -9223372036854.775 duration: 4217.523

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mintee:

cause it happened in the past, and you traveled with your mythbox to the future

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** mintee runs **

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reeddler:

I noticed that if my box has to switch a channel.. recording starts before the channel is switched (firewire setup)... as a result.. nuvexport and ffmpeg only grab the first part befor the gap

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reeddler:

... if I then record on the same channel (no switch) the number is positive

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Paladine:

so the dems officially take thesenate as well now :)

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reeddler:

hey.. they want their share of money and corruption, too

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Lin:

hi all.. what is the better way to run mythtv with a CRT+TV?

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Lin:

and someone has experience configuring nvidia CRT+TV? if so.. can you point me some url talking about the config with some example files?

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juski:

http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/NVidia/TV-OUT

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** juski can google **

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Lin:

i was looking for this too.. i didn't find a good howto..

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Lin:

this one is far better thanks juski

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Lin:

i can google too.. ;-)

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juski:

I googled for "nvidia tv out"

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Lin:

juski, btw, you use tv with your myth tv?

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juski:

yes but not with nvidia

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Lin:

juski, i googled for connect tv on a nvidia on linux

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juski:

btw how's the big mythtv project going?

[20:30:36]

Lin:

i going to show the first version

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Lin:

win X linux

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Lin:

just to justify all my project

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Lin:

will be tomorrow

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Lin:

they tell me today.. about the meeting.

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Lin:

:-(

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juski:

whoops

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Lin:

Im preparing a very smooth interface with usplash customized boot.

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Lin:

themed grub

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Lin:

no terminals

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Lin:

fast startup

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Lin:

X 2 mythtv interface

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Lin:

everything done

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Lin:

now im trying to make my nvidia give tv out with X

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Lin:

;-)

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Lin:

did you work with mirror mode or dual view?

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Lin:

nvidia can do mirror mode on linux right?

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juski:

depends on the card you have I think

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Lin:

i read somewhere about not have direct rendering in xinerama.. then I cannot use -xo xv and xinerama.

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Lin:

nvidia gforce 4 mx 4000 (i think so)

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Lin:

any tips?

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juski:

not from me. I don't know the first thing about such things in linux. single displays yes.. dual, no

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psofa:

is sse better than bob2x?

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psofa:

err kernel i mean

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GreyFoxx:

What kind of source and what are you outputting to?

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psofa:

dvb

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psofa:

to an old crt tv

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GreyFoxx:

bob I think is really only good when outputting hdtv to an hdtv

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psofa:

and how can i be sure its enabled?

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GreyFoxx:

Other than enabling it in the settup menus ?

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psofa:

after too much artifacts looking i think im seeing things that are not there

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psofa:

GreyFoxx, yes

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GreyFoxx:

I think if you have the frontend verbose output turned up it might say the deinterlacer stuff in there

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GreyFoxx:

no other way I know of

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Paladine:

Lin, I use mythfrontend on dual monitors with xinerama enabled

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Paladine:

when I have some spare cash I will be buying another 19" lcd and running triple monitors with mythfrontend in fullscreen on one of the monitors

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reeddler:

i got NVIDIA CRT+TV

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reeddler:

xcept my TV has CRT input

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reeddler:

but both svideo and crt work

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juski:

started work on the new theme btw folks. goddammit I'm gonna get into trouble

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scopeuk:

reeddler by crt you mean d-sub vga?

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Russ85:

Hey guys, quick hardware question :) for christmas I am going to be receving computer parts to build my own mythtv box. I am looking into getting the asus pundit pe3 barebones kit that is recommended, as well as of course a generic P4 cpu and some ram for it. I am thinking of getting a PVR-150, and since the barebones kit only has 1 PCI-Express slot and no AGP slot, what PCI-Express graphics card would be good for it?

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Russ85:

I want to make sure everything I get works well with linux with minimal driver problems

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Paladine:

russ, 6600GT

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Russ85:

erg

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Russ85:

$160 for a card to do TV-Out? =S

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reeddler:

yes

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reeddler:

^ scopeuk

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Paladine:

6600GT for 160 bucks? they saw you coming dude

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Paladine:

you should be able to pick up a 6600GT for under 80 bucks

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Russ85:

lol, i just looked it up real quick on google

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Russ85:

I was thinking the ATI X300SE but I was reading the hardware section of the documentation and it was warning against ATI drivers

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Paladine:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ASUS-128MB-6600GT-PCI-Exp . . . cmdZViewItem

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Paladine:

60 bucks with buy now

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reeddler:

http://deals2buy.pgpartner.com/search_getprod . . . erid=6788914

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Paladine:

the extra 9 bucks for the pny reeddler just posted is worth it

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Russ85:

so the card should be automatically detected and installed with minimal effort?

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Paladine:

the pny and the gainwards were the best 6600gt models

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Russ85:

=)

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Russ85:

(i hate having to battle linux with drivers)

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Paladine:

I have dual 6600GTs in this box

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Russ85:

cool

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Paladine:

which distro you using?

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Russ85:

none yet

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Paladine:

well actually that doesn't matter, cos the official nvidia script from their website installs the drivers fine for all the OS's as far as I am aware

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Russ85:

i havent gotten the hardware, but i was thinking fedora core 4

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Russ85:

thats actually what my next question was going to be

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Russ85:

what u recommend the best distro would be

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Paladine:

ubuntu :)

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reeddler:

ubnutu

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reeddler:

or gentoo

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reeddler:

... if you consider yourself to be an adventorous fella

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Paladine:

gentoo if like pain

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Paladine:

:p

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Paladine:

personally I would recommend ubuntu but Iwould also recommend installing mythtv from an svn checkout instead ofusing a package

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Russ85:

so, the Asus Pundit PE3 + Pentium 4 CPU + 256 megs ddr400. Then throw a WinTV PVR-150 and a GeForce 6600GT and install Ubuntu and I should have a pretty good mythtv box with minimal problems?

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GreyFoxx:

Russ85: If you are familiar with a distro generally that is the best to choose

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Paladine:

yeah you will need a HD though unless you are doing nfs boot

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GreyFoxx:

what is best for me, might not be best for you, and so on

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Russ85:

well of course =D

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Russ85:

GreyFoxx: im most familiar with centos/fedora, but I don't mind using ubuntu. used it before

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** Russ85 opens up notepad and starts writing the hardware down **

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Paladine:

yeah I wouldn't class ubuntu as the best linux distro (slackware wins that award from me) but certainly for ease of setup/use and desktop environment, I would recommend ubuntu

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Paladine:

I don't wanna have to piss around to much with a desktop environment

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reeddler:

fluxbox

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reeddler:

just add mythfrontend to your startup file

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reeddler:

dont forget a universal remote control

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reeddler:

www.streamzap.com

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Russ85:

hm, im a little confused by what CPU the pundit uses. It says Intel Socket T, but I don't see any cpu's in pricewatch that say socket T

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Russ85:

am I being retarded? :P

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Paladine:

if he buys the correct version of the 150 it comes with remote and ir blaster

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Russ85:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16856110039 <=== there's the pundit

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reeddler:

Russ85 do you really want us to answer that?

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reeddler:

j/k :)

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Russ85:

reeddler: if it's deserved, yet lol

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Russ85:

*yes

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Paladine:

Russ85, when you buy your pvr150 try and find the one which comes with a remote and ir blaster

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Paladine:

as opposed to the mce version

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Russ85:

Paladine: okay. thanks =)

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Paladine:

cos the 150 blaster works great with lirc

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Paladine:

or so I have been told

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Paladine:

have to make a brew missusis on her way home

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defaultro:

Cardoe/Anduin, I'm back :)

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defaultro:

Any updates regarding my issue?

[21:00:30]

juski:

hahahaha hahaha hahaha ha

[21:00:46]

juski:

is cauing big problems

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juski:

s/cauing/causing

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juski:

so much for the xml parser then

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reeddler:

juski....

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reeddler:

maybe you know the answer

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reeddler:

why would this be a negative number? 0: start_time: -9223372036854.775 duration: 4217.523

[21:02:55]

reeddler:

I noticed that if my box has to switch a channel.. recording starts before the channel is switched (firewire setup)... as a result.. nuvexport and ffmpeg only grab the first part befor the gap

[21:03:21]

reeddler:

... if I then record on the same channel (no switch) the number is positive

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Cardoe:

defaultro: did you get that capture?

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Russ85:

question guys. Socket T is socket 775, so therefor this CPU should be compatible with the Asus Pundit PE3 box right? http://www.geeks.com/details.asp?InvtId=P4300 . . . P43000E775-N

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juski:

holy shit. theme comments are now ignored!

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defaultro:

Cardoe, I can do it again. Do you want a .cap file?

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defaultro:

it's going to be tcpdump format though. I don't think I can capture from Windows because I'm using a switch

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defaultro:

the switch doesn't have port mirroring capability

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Lin:

there is some tip to get better resolutions on tv?

[21:09:25]

Lin:

big fonts? low resolutions?

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juski:

for ntsc use as close to 720x480 as possible

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Lin:

720x480. hmm ok. I will try

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sphery:

Lin: also, see http://mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Frequently_A . . . rect_this.3F

[21:10:39]

Lin:

juski, im getting a problem.. I can't start CRT and TV. I just get one or another in X but it works fine at console.

[21:10:54]

Lin:

sphery, reading! ;-)

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juski:

well, maybe the card doesn't support it

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Lin:

but works on console

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sphery:

But X uses X drivers...

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Lin:

the card support.. maybe drive not.

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Lin:

i get mirror view on windows too.

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kash:

what card?

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sphery:

Also, it's a very difficult configuration to set up. IMHO, not worth the effort--especially with the cost of (appropriately-configured instead of over-spec'ed) computers, today.

[21:12:41]

Cardoe:

defaultro: just look at what it's sending on the post.

[21:12:48]

Cardoe:

defaultro: the HTTP headers.

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Lin:

someone here had sucess doing mirror isn't a proper word.. clone fits better.. with nvidia gforce 4 mx 4000

[21:12:58]

kash:

doesn't support it

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kash:

legacy nvidia drivers don't, anyhow

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lwizardl:

hi

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Cardoe:

defaultro: you can run tcpdump / wireshark on the box you have Myth on

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Cardoe:

as root

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Lin:

im using 8778 driver version

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lwizardl:

what soundcard should I get for a mythtv pvr build

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kash:

Audigy 2, Audigy ZS

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kash:

both are good

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lwizardl:

what about 4pro?

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kash:

onboard sound is OK too, as long as it's not a crappy AC' 97 codec

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kash:

never heard of it.

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kormoc:

ac 97 works fine if the mythbox is only going to be a mythbox

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lwizardl:

audigy 4 pro (has external box)

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Lin:

kash, have you sure that my video card didn't can do clone view with driver 8778?

[21:14:43]

kash:

pretty sure

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Lin:

kash, its bad..

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Lin:

any card can do it?

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Russ85:

kormoc: what do you mean by if they mythbox is only going to be a mythbox?

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kormoc:

Lin, what's your xorg.conf?

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kormoc:

Lin, cause it should work fine

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Lin:

kormoc, we have a paradox here.. but I can send to you

[21:15:33]

Lin:

kormoc, wait 1 minute please

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kormoc:

Russ85, if it's not going to be mixing multiple sounds at once (more then one sound playing at once), there's not much point in getting a card that is better (unless you want full optical or other higher end features)

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Lin:

kormoc, http://arda.ibeu.org.br/~igor/xorg.conf

[21:16:18]

Lin:

take a look

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Russ85:

oh ok. so if its just simple recording shows and watching shows, ac 97 will be just fine

[21:16:31]

lwizardl:

well I plan to have multiple records at a time

[21:16:39]

kormoc:

Russ85, indeed

[21:17:09]

kormoc:

Lin, you need to convert over to cloning via nvidia's twinview, and it should work fine

[21:17:27]

kormoc:

Lin, http://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/ . . . endix-g.html

[21:17:31]

lwizardl:

audigy 4 pro http://www.soundblaster.com/products/product. . . . roduct=10853

[21:17:40]

kormoc:

Lin, even tho the driver version is different, the stup is the same

[21:18:01]

psofa:

yay for ac97 :P

[21:18:20]

Lin:

kormoc, thankz i wil lcheckout

[21:18:34]

psofa:

its actually decent at least for my plain stereo output

[21:19:43]

Lin:

kormoc, twin view is used to clone the content of CRT to TV? Or to extend it (as 2 CRTs)?

[21:21:31]

kormoc:

Lin, twinview is nvidia's specific multimonitor settings. it can be used both ways

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Russ85:

I would just like to double check with you guys before I order, if a motherboard says it needs, quote, "CPU Socket Intel Socket T(LGA775)", is socket T socket 775? And if so, would this be compatible: "Intel Pentium 4 530 3.0GHz 800MHz 1MB Socket 775 CPU"?

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kormoc:

Russ85, yes, socket t is a lga 775, so the p4 will fit in it, as for being compatible, that depends on the motherboard a little be beyond just the socket type

[21:22:52]

kormoc:

Russ85, it likely will work, but there is a chance it's not

[21:23:32]

Russ85:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16856110039

[21:23:34]

Russ85:

thats the motherboard

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Russ85:

its the asus pundit that is recommended in the mythtv wiki

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Russ85:

CPU

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Russ85:

CPU Type Intel Pentium 4/Celeron

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Russ85:

CPU Socket Intel Socket T(LGA775)

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Russ85:

FSB 533/800MHz

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lwizardl:

what video card can I use with mythtv to output a 1080i signal via dvi to a hdtv

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kormoc:

Russ85, then yes, it should work fine

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lwizardl:

I keep finding cards for windows using powerstrip

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kormoc:

lwizardl, a nvidia 6200 or higher can do it

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Russ85:

thanks :)

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Lin:

kormoc, its starting as xinerama, not as a clone did know where can I change this?

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Lin:

kormoc, sorry I saw

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Lin:

thank ;-)

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Scotepi:

hello, i dont realy know where to ask this but, what is a good program for streaming TV over the internet on either windows or linux? i only want to stream it to one or 2 comps and have the ability to change the channel, i could roboly write on in php with vlc but id like a ready made version

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Russ85:

well, i dont know about programs, but theres hardware you can buy, such as SlingBox

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Russ85:

=S

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Scotepi:

id like to stay free, but id <3 a slingbox

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Russ85:

lol

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Scotepi:

i just found this, havent finished reading it but i hope i can watch on mac/linux http://www.informit.com/articles/article.asp?p=386789&rl=1

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r3z`:

Anyone use mythdora?

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psofa:

err Refresh rate: 16678, frame interval: 40000

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psofa:

in the wiki example the refresh rate is 40000...

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psofa:

is that bad^?

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psofa:

anyone else's bob2x causing flickering?

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GreyFoxx:

Itwould if you are not outputting to an hdtv

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dtm:

r3z`: no but i use mythtv on fedora

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dtm:

r3z`: i would like to know how mythdora packages mythtv

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psofa:

GreyFoxx, i used to have a 5200fx and it didnt flicker.Now on a 7100 it flickers.Bob2x's quality seems higher than kernel....

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dtm:

because atrpms is *insane*

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psofa:

GreyFoxx, in fact i think its viewable only with bob2x

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defaultro:

hi folks, how do I file a bug?

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Agrajag-:

defaultro: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/

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defaultro:

Thanks

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juski:

www.juski.co.uk/new.png ... somebody stop meh!

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juski:

new2.png also :)

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psofa:

i keep getting messages like "AO: audio waiting for space on soundcard: have 912 need 6144" with -v all.trying to find the cause of the damn laginess.Could be this the problem?

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defaultro:

Agrajag, I've posted it. Where do see it now?

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fysa:

fryfrog: .. my drive was full. :P

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fysa:

that's why write speed was so low. :P

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defaultro:

by the way, I always think about this. Since mythtv is open source, am I correct that sometimes, big companies can copy codes?

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dtm:

defaultro: it's gpl so they can copy it

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dtm:

defaultro: gpl says that you have to give the source code, but only to those who you gave the binaries to, and only if they ask

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dtm:

defaultro: and also that your changes have to be gpl

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dtm:

defaultro: and that you have to inform the recipient that it's gpl and what their responsibilities are

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dtm:

defaultro: and that's about it

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dtm:

you don't have to explicitly agree to the gpl, but if you disagree with it, you lose all right to use or redistribute it

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dtm:

<3

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defaultro:

k

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defaultro:

that means, microsoft can copy it

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fryfrog:

but they won't

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dtm:

defaultro: anyone can if they do what i said

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defaultro:

k

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dtm:

yeah they won't, because they despise the gpl

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dtm:

they have only distributed a bare minimum of gpl products

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defaultro:

you can't tell right

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defaultro:

k

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dtm:

and they never released any of their own products as gpl

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fryfrog:

there are lots of ways to tell

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dtm:

they redistributed existing gpl code in their Services for Unix package and that's it

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dtm:

and i'm pretty sure their former product, Xenix, predated the gpl

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dtm:

defaultro: you can run 'strings' on their binaries

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defaultro:

yep, i remember running something on win95 and saw BSD

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dtm:

defaultro: for example if you run 'strings ftp.exe | grep -i california' you'll see that they used BSD code

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defaultro:

yea

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defaultro:

i remember now

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dtm:

mmhmm

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defaultro:

anyways, are you guys using svn version ?

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defaultro:

and am I correct that the stable svn .20 branch contains fixes to the previously released .20?

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kormoc:

stable svn .20?

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kormoc:

you mean .20-fixes?

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dtm:

defaultro: yeah it apparently does

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defaultro:

ah ok

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defaultro:

coz i'm thinking of installing it over my release .20

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defaultro:

this one kormoc, http://svn.mythtv.org/trac

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kormoc:

defaultro, the first command or the second one?

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defaultro:

yes, it says there release-0-20-fixes. So this one contains fixes to the prev released .20

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defaultro:

right?

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defaultro:

the second one

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kormoc:

yeah

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defaultro:

ok

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kormoc:

it's 0.20 + fixes

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defaultro:

i hope it contains a fix for my issue :(

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defaultro:

I already opened a ticket

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defaultro:

i dunno if i should wait or not

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defaultro:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/2671

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defaultro:

i just posted that a while ago

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kormoc:

defaultro, you should post the content of --post-file=/tmp/mythtv_post_Hrmlda

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defaultro:

it always gets deleted

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defaultro:

i don't even know if its created

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defaultro:

i don't see it there

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defaultro:

Anduin verified my perms on /tmp and he said it is sufficient

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defaultro:

i've got a drwxrwxrwx on /tmp

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kormoc:

defaultro, in your shell script, you can intercept it (add in cp /tmp/mythtv_post* /home/defaultro/ before the wget)

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defaultro:

so i really don't know what's wrong

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defaultro:

but where would that shell script be?

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kormoc:

defaultro, in the one that you made to replace wget

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defaultro:

how do I intercept it

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defaultro:

don't know if that will work

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defaultro:

so does it delete after calling wget?

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kormoc:

yes

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defaultro:

doing now

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kormoc:

defaultro, and for future reference, echo $* > /tmp/zap2it will work fine

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defaultro:

cp: cannot open `/tmp/mythtv_post_ffUiIN' for reading: Permission denied

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defaultro:

cool

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kormoc:

hrm, that's an issue

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defaultro:

i will run it as root now

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defaultro:

because it also fails as root

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defaultro:

ok, I got 2 files

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defaultro:

:D

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kormoc:

defaultro, heh, nice

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defaultro:

-rw------- 1 root root 525 Nov 9 16:58 mythtv_post_EHejas

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defaultro:

-rw------- 1 root root 525 Nov 9 16:58 mythtv_post_vLQOtD

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defaultro:

however

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defaultro:

they're empty, WHA

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defaultro:

it shows as 525 but nothing in there

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fryfrog:

defaultro: *still* getting 500 error trying to retrieve listings?

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kormoc:

that's a problem, and should be mentioned in the ticket

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fryfrog:

defaultro: have you perhaps tried making a new zap2it account for shits and giggles

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defaultro:

yes

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defaultro:

mythfilldatabase works flawlessly

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defaultro:

how would I say that kormoc in the ticket?

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defaultro:

wait

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defaultro:

i was wrong

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defaultro:

it contains something, sorry

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defaultro:

what should I do

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kormoc:

defaultro, in your ticket, there's a button called attach file, attach those files saying that's the contect of the post data

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kormoc:

after checking it for your password/username

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defaultro:

here is is, http://pastebin.ca/244573

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defaultro:

ok

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defaultro:

OK, i've uploaded it

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mirak:

is there a way to disable timeshifting buffer in mythtv ?

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mirak:

or use a memory buffer would be nice

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GreyFoxx:

nope

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GreyFoxx:

no way

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mirak:

so why my stems seems to hang ?

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mirak:

system

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GreyFoxx:

I wouldn't know

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GreyFoxx:

but you can't disable the buffering in myth

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mirak:

/dev/hda:

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mirak:

using_dma = 1 (on)

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mirak:

I have dma

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mirak:

but video seems to have locks

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GreyFoxx:

try pausing for a few seconds

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GreyFoxx:

then hit play again

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GreyFoxx:

see if that smooths it out

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mirak:

we can't control when or how much data mythtv should write ?

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mirak:

it would be nice to have buffering to ram

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mirak:

200 meg buffer would be nice

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mirak:

GreyFoxx: what is the best deinterlace method for dvb ?

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mirak:

I use dvb-c

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GreyFoxx:

I just use kernel for everything since I don't have any HDTV content or output

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mirak:

pausing helps a bit

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GreyFoxx:

my frontend at work doesn't use any deinterlacing

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mirak:

it's ugly for sports

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GreyFoxx:

I've never had to use any deinterlacing at work, at home I use kernel, and neither place watches sports so Ican'tcomment on that :)

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mirak:

where does it comes from that mythtv interface is so unresponsive ?

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mirak:

everything feels slow

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GreyFoxx:

I don't run into thatproblem

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mirak:

I have a powerfull system

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GreyFoxx:

the slowest thing for meis mythvideo's videolist reading in my video's

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mirak:

I run ubunut

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mirak:

when I try to browse records it's slow

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GreyFoxx:

records as in music?

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GreyFoxx:

I don't use mythmusic, my wife does. she complains about the interface but notabout it being slow

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GreyFoxx:

I've not runit in a year myself

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psofa:

okay this is getting strange.when i had an old box i thought it was because of it.but now on a 3500+ while watching football its like i can see the individual frames when the ball flies foulspeed.tried deinterlacing it helped a little but not much. with xvmc /without xvmc.ive enabled full kernel preemtion (havent tried without).hdparm reports 50mb/s.Id appreciate any ideas

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psofa:

*fullspeed

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wreckage:

i'm having trouble hearing audio from divx files using mythvideo's internal player

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wreckage:

well, more than troule, it's just not working

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wreckage:

but it works fine with mpegs

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wreckage:

anyone know why this would be happening?

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mirak:

it's horribly slow to delete files

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mirak:

from records

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mirak:

pffff

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charlieS:

pfff

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fysa:

does the backend stream video to the front-end via its own socket, or does the front-end stream the file directly from the Recordings directory?

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fysa:

i.e., with a remote backend will all TV go over my NFS/SMB share?

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charlieS:

it can stream itself, you don't have to mount the remote storage

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