Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Monday, October 30th, 2006, 00:00 UTC

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minthome:

the PVR-150 MCE is no good, right?

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minthome:

or are they all MCE?

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minthome:

or does anyone have any suggestions on a cheap capture card for NTSCanalog decoding?

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GreyFoxx:

there is nothing wrong with the 150 MCE

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minthome:

ok

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GreyFoxx:

Theyare the receommendedcard :)

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GreyFoxx:

with or without the MCE bit

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GreyFoxx:

pvr150 boxed edition or 150 mce

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minthome:

ok, just making sure before i whipped out my CC

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mmde:

you might not get the remote with the mce version

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minthome:

i don't want the remote

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minthome:

$56 USD sound fair?

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mmde:

I paid 80

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mmde:

for non mce

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minthome:

Hauppauge WinTV-PVR-150 MCE Non-FM White Box w/ MCE 2005

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GreyFoxx:

where you getting it for $56 ?

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minthome:

http://www.securemart.com/cgi-bin/future/HAM41915.html?pcode=4

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minthome:

what's the MCE about?

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scopeuk:

media centre edition

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|Torg|:

windows Media Center Editon

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minthome:

that's what i was afraid of

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|Torg|:

i.e. it has windows drivers for MCE

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GreyFoxx:

Nice price

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GreyFoxx:

minthome: It works fine.

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minthome:

google had ranked them 5 starts

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minthome:

ordering now

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|Torg|:

it dosnt mean it wont work in Linux just that they probbly arnt goign to give you drivers for it

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|Torg|:

GreyFoxx did you figure out the gcc issue?

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GreyFoxx:

|Torg|: Nope. I'm assuming it's whatever version he isrunning

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GreyFoxx:

but his fix works for me so I might just commit it anyway

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|Torg|:

well on an amd 1500 it compiles fine as doe sit on P4, if you forgive the warnings

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GreyFoxx:

I'm positive it's a gcc 3.3 versus gcc 4 thing

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|Torg|:

I dont run gcc 4 sorry

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|Torg|:

while your in there you may want to look at libavformat as well

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GreyFoxx:

I'm not concerned with those warning really

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|Torg|:

nor I, I juse give you a complete report :)

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GreyFoxx:

heh

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groogs_:

I just tried to install myth 0.20 on a system that was previously running 0.19, and now most myth apps segfault right away

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groogs_:

# mythfrontend Segmentation fault

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groogs_:

(same for mythbackend, mythtv-setup, ..)

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|Torg|:

did you uninstall .19 first?

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groogs_:

no

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|Torg|:

and did you try to compile it with proc-opt?

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groogs_:

no

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GreyFoxx:

There, change commited

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groogs_:

hm, just tried uninstalling 0.19 (with make uninstall) and then ran make install in .20 again, still segfaults ..

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groogs_:

should I try with proc-opt ?

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minthome:

where can i find the "keystrings" for myth. I'm setting up control with a joystick

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Doodluv:

anybody know where i can get t the xebian .20 not the fixes but i believe its .20a?

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minthome:

on, nevermind

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minthome:

i'm a tart

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minthome:

tard too

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simon_c_home:

Hi all. I'm having problems setting a channel up to record the input from compsite1 on my analogue card.

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simon_c_home:

anyone about who can help ?

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xris:

simon_c_home: trying to set up a custom channel?

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simon_c_home:

Yeh.

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simon_c_home:

I've added the card, the source, the input connector and the channel.

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simon_c_home:

I can view it in live TV, but not record it.

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simon_c_home:

interestingly, when I view it in live TV, teh recordings are saved as 4294967295_sarttime_endtime.nuv

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simon_c_home:

which, is 31 1s.

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xris:

simon_c_home: needs to have a schedule to record via

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xris:

or set up a manual schedule

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simon_c_home:

If I Set a manual scheule, it fails to record.

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simon_c_home:

and the log sais it can't change channel.

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simon_c_home:

"Failed to find Channel ''"

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simon_c_home:

"error, failed to set channel to 1126 reverting to kState_none"

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simon_c_home:

xris: so, I'm confused,

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abarbaccia:

anyone ever have mysql die on them?

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abarbaccia:

im getting this: Oct 29 19:28:56 localhost mysqld[18950]: 061029 19:28:56 [ERROR] Binlog has bad magic number; It's not a binary log file that can be used by this version of MySQL

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abarbaccia:

Oct 29 19:28:56 localhost mysqld[18950]: 061029 19:28:56 [ERROR] Can't init tc log

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xris:

simon_c_home: only thing I can think of that might help is to set the external channel change script to /bin/true

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xris:

then it'll try to set the channel and not faily

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simon_c_home:

xris: I'll try that.

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simon_c_home:

xris: Ahh Ha !! it worked

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xris:

:)

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simon_c_home:

xris: Thanks.

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simon_c_home:

I'm sure I tried that before, but prehaps not, or prehaps I've changed something else too.

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minthome:

http://img120.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshotqn2.jpg

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minthome:

I'm a happy camper

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Sebulba02:

that looks like it could be the dark magician

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minthome:

the sexy magician..

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minthome:

:P

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Sebulba02:

what's it from?

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minthome:

animewallpapers.com

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Sebulba02:

but what?

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Sebulba02:

so it's not her: http://66.199.231.236/wallpapers/yugioh/yugioh_1_1024.jpg , my bad

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simon_c_home:

xris; thanks again.

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minthome:

Sebulba02, i donno

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Sebulba02:

oh

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minthome:

I want this wallpaper, but i donno where to find it http://www.boxwhore.org/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=45

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|Torg|:

who is it mint?

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minthome:

i donno, but if you have her number, can i have it ;)

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Sebulba02:

hah

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|Torg|:

its in my book somewhere :P

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|Torg|:

no I know where the wallpaper comes from, I just need to know who it is to get you to the right one

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cesman:

http://www.km02.com/gbundchen/

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riddlebox:

hello, what can I do about this error, Table './mythconverg/record' is marked as crashed and should be repaired?

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minthome:

http://66.90.73.203/ro/gisele981600x1200.jpg

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minthome:

:D

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sanmarcos:

anybody using ivtv can give me a hand? is there a way to know which channel I am tuned to?

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sanmarcos:

using the ivtv tools

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|Torg|:

naa wer too busy looking at softporn :P

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sanmarcos:

i know of some good soft porn if you tell me how to do this

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|Torg|:

im joking with you, I can get as much of it as you want anyway

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|Torg|:

I dont use ivtv or id tell you

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sanmarcos:

how idiotic in the devs part

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|Torg|:

whats idiotic?

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sanmarcos:

not putting a fucking way to see what channel is being tuned

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|Torg|:

you do realise the people who develop mythtv are in channel with you, and that this channel is logged, right?

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sanmarcos:

this is not about myth

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GreyFoxx:

we don't develope ivtv nor it's tools

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sanmarcos:

myth is great, for the most part

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GreyFoxx:

BUT ivtvctl returns the frequency the tuner is set to

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sanmarcos:

well yeah but this seem sthe most appropiate channel

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sanmarcos:

yes, but not the channel

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GreyFoxx:

sanmarcos:Actually #ivtv-dev might be

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sanmarcos:

oih

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GreyFoxx:

sanmarcos: Of course it doesn't

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sanmarcos:

why not?

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Doodluv:

ive gott frontend using network protocol 31, and the backedn on 30...any help on what versions i can get to make thses guys happy?

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riddlebox:

can someone tell me where optimize_mythdb.pl is in the ubuntu packages?

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GreyFoxx:

Since in your country frequency xxxx is channel 7, but in another it might be 6

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|Torg|:

yes, update your backend

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Doodluv:

isthat .20-fixes ?

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GreyFoxx:

Different standards and the ivtvctl tool has no way to know which applies to you

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sanmarcos:

GreyFoxx: right nobody agrees

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GreyFoxx:

It only knows what frequency you set it too

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sanmarcos:

GreyFoxx: but they could trasnlate it taking into account my channel table

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GreyFoxx:

sanmarcos: it has no idea what your channel table is

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GreyFoxx:

Nor if you "fine tune" the channel to a frequency just outside of the norm

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sanmarcos:

GreyFoxx: well I need to be able to know what the channel is given the frequency

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GreyFoxx:

Heck some countries it differs from cable provider to cable provider,town to town :)

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sanmarcos:

I am trying to build a script to use the remote control to change channels

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GreyFoxx:

why wouldthat need to know the current channel ?

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sanmarcos:

because it would be ivtv-tune -c $whatever + 1

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GreyFoxx:

and why would you need an IR blaster to control an ivtv device ?

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sanmarcos:

$(($whatever+1)) if you want bash notation

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sanmarcos:

because I want to be able to watch tv, outside of myth with my hauppage remote control

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sanmarcos:

and currently there is no solution for that

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sanmarcos:

xawtv cvs maybe, but its crappy at best.

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sanmarcos:

so if I could somehow match the frequency tuned to the the channel number

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GreyFoxx:

sanmarcos: Well,jsut write your code to have a frequency table and translate X to the right frequency

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sanmarcos:

see where I am going ?

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sanmarcos:

right, thats what I am doing

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sanmarcos:

but I cant get a table of that

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Sebulba02:

I recall someone talking about a perl api, was that finished by 0.20?

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sanmarcos:

ivtv-tune -l does not match ivtvctl -R

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kormoc:

Sebulba02, don't think so

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Sebulba02:

dang

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sanmarcos:

GreyFoxx: see now the problem ...

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GreyFoxx:

Actually no, what is the -c parameter? The channel number?

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sanmarcos:

yes

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sanmarcos:

set channel

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sanmarcos:

that doesnt even match ivtv-tune -l

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GreyFoxx:

I So why do you need to know whatis currently tuned? Why can'y you just said -c 6 , -c 8, -c 9 whatever?

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sanmarcos:

well because I need to be able to do +1

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sanmarcos:

for the channel up and channel down to work

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minthome:

found it

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minthome:

!http://66.90.73.8/ro/gisele251280x1024.jpg

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|Torg|:

GreyFoxx what patches did you add, or in other words is it worth me redownloading and recompiling from about 12 hours ago?

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sanmarcos:

GreyFoxx: see what the problem is now brother

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GreyFoxx:

|Torg|: No, just a single help text. Nothing to bother updating too

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GreyFoxx:

sanmarcos: Well I supposeif you have to have a up/down then you would need to know the current channel. Of course you could also have your script track it on it's own or write something to pull the frequency from the API and match it to your own table list for channel mappings

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sanmarcos:

obviously, but I would have to learn how to do the ivtv api

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sanmarcos:

anyhow, I give up

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Sebulba02:

minthome: only in your dreams

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|Torg|:

does anyone know how to get movie listings from DD?

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matthew_w:

Hey guys, I have a mythtv box which is running great as we speak, I just have one little problem that all the programming knowledge in the world can't fix X_X

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matthew_w:

I'm using a phono to composite cable to replace my speakers with my TV's audio in

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matthew_w:

But the sound is AWFUL – is there some way I can fix this?

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matthew_w:

It buzzes, and comes in extraodrinarily quietly

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Sebulba02:

that's how mine is done and it sounds great

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siXy:

yep. 1. read the alsa wiki. 2. get a decent audio cable

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Sebulba02:

those two help

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RaYmAn-Bx:

use better cables? Make sure there is no interference? change to using some sort of digital output :)

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kormoc:

try moving around the sound card, and make sure it's plugged in correctly

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matthew_w:

siXy; this is like a 40 dollar gold plated whatever.

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matthew_w:

The sound card is onboard, but this never caused a problem before.

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|Torg|:

matthew_w no more like the plain ol $8 one

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matthew_w:

I tend to think it's being lost somewhere between the computer and the TV.

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matthew_w:

(Radio Shack slaughters you.)

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siXy:

well.. that should be ok-ish. check your alsa settings, esp sample rate

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kormoc:

where? does it take a wrong turn?

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matthew_w:

Because my speakers that are attached directly work fine.

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matthew_w:

Sample rate?

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matthew_w:

Ok... under alsamixer or..

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siXy:

$40 isnt really that much to spend on a cable but it should produce the sort of distrotion you are talking about

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matthew_w:

shouldn't, I assume?

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siXy:

no. in alsa.con / .asoundrc

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siXy:

*alsa.conf

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kormoc:

that's doubtful, given speakers hooked up directly work fine

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siXy:

they do? i missed that line

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matthew_w:

kormoc; the alsa bit? I doubt that's it either, but I don't know, that's why I asked.

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matthew_w:

Sorry, speakers hooked up directly work fine.

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kormoc:

<matthew_w> Because my speakers that are attached directly work fine.

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siXy:

sorry :( vncs screen refesh is kinda dodgy

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matthew_w:

Insulate the cable perhaps? That was the solution to fix a video problem I was having.

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siXy:

is it a plasma tv?

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kormoc:

matthew_w, no, you said you think it's lost between the computer and the tv, given you say you have a good cable, assuming it's plugged in correctly, it should be shielded already

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kormoc:

can you hook up a walkman/ipod/cdplayer to the cable and see if that buzzes or is quiet?

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kormoc:

or just not plug it into the computer and see if it still buzzes

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kormoc:

cause if it does, then it's interference on the cable

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matthew_w:

Uh... lemme look around.

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matthew_w:

Sounds fine.

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matthew_w:

There's a tiny bit of feedback, but nothing like what I meant before.

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kormoc:

hrm

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siXy:

matthew_w: is there any chance your soundcard is outputting digital audio?

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Sebulba02:

Turn down the volume on the machine and up on the tv?

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matthew_w:

siXy... not sure

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Sebulba02:

especially the OGain

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matthew_w:

also, there's a little quietness problem.

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matthew_w:

I have to LE CRANK the Amplifier which I have hooked up to the TV which is a dolby pro logic II.

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matthew_w:

Or something...

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matthew_w:

lol

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kormoc:

hrm

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kormoc:

are you sure you have both the master and the PCM volume unmuted and around 70ish or so?

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siXy:

digital audio would cause this. if your amp/speakers accept digital audio then your soundcard might well be cukicking out digital rather than analogue, which wouldnt work well if plugged into the tv

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siXy:

*chucking

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matthew_w:

LMFAO

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matthew_w:

I had it plugged into line in.

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siXy:

?

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matthew_w:

God I suck.

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Sebulba02:

lol

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matthew_w:

And the splitter was giving it half of the sound

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Sebulba02:

that'd do it

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matthew_w:

hahaha

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kormoc:

welp, that would explain it

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siXy:

whoops :)

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siXy:

ho if you have any sort of output from line in you might want to investigate a soundcard with less crosstalk if sound quality is important to you

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matthew_w:

It's not that

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matthew_w:

It's that I'm using a splitter so the sound will still work on the speakers while still using tv out.

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Sebulba02:

you don't have front and back outputs?

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matthew_w:

So the problem was... the speakers were in line in, and the other half of the splitter was kind not really in sound out

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Sebulba02:

that's what I do

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matthew_w:

No, just back.

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matthew_w:

Irritating.

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Sebulba02:

oh

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siXy:

my point is that if you are getting anything out from line in whe you shouldnt be that means your sound card is defaintely not very high quality.

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Sebulba02:

it's onboard...

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PointyPumper:

snif

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PointyPumper:

can u beleive

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PointyPumper:

i have a nice mythtv box

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PointyPumper:

with 2 bt878

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siXy:

onboard soundcards vary greatly. and can easlity be replaced by a pci soundcard.

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PointyPumper:

capturing sound (in both)

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PointyPumper:

and

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matthew_w:

Thanks guys.

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matthew_w:

Talk to you all later.

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matthew_w:

:D

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PointyPumper:

they r both in black and white? :(

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PointyPumper:

dang pal-nc thing

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Sebulba02:

ouch

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PointyPumper:

hate living in the third world xD

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PointyPumper:

i can handle all the bad things

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PointyPumper:

but not the tech problems like this one xD

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mcquaid:

is there a way to zoom on the fly live tv/watching recordings?

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mcquaid:

my tv is 4:3 and it fits perfect so I don't want to mess with overscan settings, but some wide screen content is a little small and usally zoom it up a notch or two

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mattwestm:

hi, I have a hughes sd-hbh. But, it has no ports, so how can I get it to work with mythtv?

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mmde:

join #ivtv-dev

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jeffmeden:

hey guys

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jeffmeden:

i am looking for info on sound control for capture cards

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jeffmeden:

i am using a cheap capture card and the v4l driver

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jeffmeden:

and the sound is horrible, its mono and its at 100% so most shows will clip and sound horrible

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hydroksyde:

erm... I think there's an option

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hydroksyde:

in configuration somewhere

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jeffmeden:

within mythtv?

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jeffmeden:

i have messed with them all

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hydroksyde:

yes

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jeffmeden:

i think

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hydroksyde:

mythfrontend

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hydroksyde:

well, when you're watching tv, if the volume keys

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hydroksyde:

[ ]

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jeffmeden:

yes in the frontend there is a playback control but the sound is clipped in the recording

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hydroksyde:

work

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hydroksyde:

ah

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hydroksyde:

I see

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hydroksyde:

erm

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jeffmeden:

that volume doesnt work at all actually

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jeffmeden:

but thats not my problem i can control the output

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jeffmeden:

its the input

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hydroksyde:

if the volume doesn't work, the mixer control isn't set correctly

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hydroksyde:

which would explain why your recordings sound terrible

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jeffmeden:

ok well lets start there

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jeffmeden:

they are configured for dev dsp and mixer

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jeffmeden:

and thats correct

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hydroksyde:

start the tv, and play around with your system mixer to figure out which control is for TV

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hydroksyde:

will probably be aux or input

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hydroksyde:

sometimes tv

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banyan:

I have a wee problem with a supposed update pending on atrpms for faad2 — it removes a dependency for myth...

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jeffmeden:

ok so maybe thats part of the problem

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banyan:

but when I look at atrpms, my current faad2 is the most up to date.

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jeffmeden:

in recording control the alsa mixer doesnt let me adjust levels

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hydroksyde:

hmmmm... ok

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jeffmeden:

i can set the input source ok

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jeffmeden:

heres the thing though if i plug the audio from the cap card straight to the tv its too loud and its in mono

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jeffmeden:

so its like i need to adjust the cap card itself

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jeffmeden:

but i have no idea how

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hydroksyde:

hmmm... I didn't know they could be adjusted

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hydroksyde:

I thought they could only be muted

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hydroksyde:

you could work something out

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hydroksyde:

with an audio taper pot

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hydroksyde:

if you can solder

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PointyPumper:

got a lil question

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jeffmeden:

lolz nice

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PointyPumper:

how can i change the video source?

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PointyPumper:

while watching live tv?

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jeffmeden:

i can't really accept that since windows based progs control the levels on the card directly

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jeffmeden:

PointyPumper: channel up/down ?

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PointyPumper:

nana

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PointyPumper:

i have 2 cards

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hydroksyde:

jeffmeden: I see

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PointyPumper:

i wanna switch between them

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jeffmeden:

PointyPumper: they need to be set up in the channel listing

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Kelerion:

hmmm Y I think

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PointyPumper:

yeap

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PointyPumper:

Y

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PointyPumper:

thx!

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PointyPumper:

:D

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Kelerion:

np

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banyan:

Can anyone using fc6 check on what package is providing their system with libmp4v2.so.0?

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banyan:

When I update, the faad2 I am using will get updated, removing that file... which removes faac which removes ffmpeg which removes a15 other things...

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hydroksyde:

volume will be controlled through ioctls

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hydroksyde:

if the driver supports it

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hydroksyde:

check the kernel source

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CBiLL:

any1 here uses NF-M2 nView?

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jeffmeden:

so noone knows of a mixer tool that adjusts the capture card itself?

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hydroksyde:

nope

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hydroksyde:

I use a PVR150

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jeffmeden:

yeah i have been thinking about getting a better card

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kormoc:

jeffmeden, depends on the card

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jeffmeden:

but i dont really want to bend to such a sorry limitation

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hydroksyde:

cheap cards are often more trouble than they're worth

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kormoc:

jeffmeden, there's alsa/oss drivers for certain cards

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kormoc:

jeffmeden, and then alsamixer and friends can control the card

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jeffmeden:

that would be nice

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PointyPumper:

uhm

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PointyPumper:

got *another* problem :S

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kormoc:

jeffmeden, it's CONFIG_SND_BT87X

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kormoc:

jeffmeden, for the alsa driver, which compiles to a module called snd-bt87x

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BULLE:

jeffmeden: checked the v4lctl app ?

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BULLE:

or what its called

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kormoc:

jeffmeden, but not all cards support that, nor even if they have the sound controller chip, not all of them have the control lines hooked up.

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jeffmeden:

what pkg is v4lctl in

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BULLE:

no idea

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BULLE:

http://linux.about.com/library/cmd/blcmdl1_v4lctl.htm

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BULLE:

seems it can set volume

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jeffmeden:

xawtv perhaps?

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jeffmeden:

looks like they are related

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jeffmeden:

yep thats the one

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AlfadorJanus:

what would be the best capture card to get for MythTv?

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hydroksyde:

AlfadorJanus: If you want analog TV, a PVR-150 or PVR-500

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hydroksyde:

hauppauge cards

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hydroksyde:

the 500 is two 150s in one

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eegore:

mishehu: what about the PCHD3000

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eegore:

oops, strung too much together

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jeffmeden:

anyone heard about the pvr-500 production problems

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hydroksyde:

no?

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jeffmeden:

its all the buzz right now

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jeffmeden:

countless ppl have the same problem with little/no signal on high freq channels

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jeffmeden:

with cards bought in the past few months

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jeffmeden:

i was going to pick one up but read that and got scared off

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kormoc:

have links?

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kormoc:

cause this is the first I've heard anyone mention that

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CBiLL:

me too

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luckyduckie:

hi, i have a pvr-350 card... when i use mythvideo to play a file, it shows up on my monitor. is there a way to make it show up on the tv instead?

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jeffmeden:

oh theres like a 400 page thread on the snaptv forums

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kormoc:

luckyduckie, install the correct X driver for using the 350's tv out and not the mythtv's specific way

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jeffmeden:

you can even see complaints in the newegg product review for that card

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achew22:

xris, was it you who was working with someone who didn't have opengl compiled into QT?

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kormoc:

Newegg's product reviews are rather... useless

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kormoc:

given there's no idea who was bit by the samsung tuner issue

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kormoc:

and just never upgraded their ivtv version to fix it

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CBiLL:

is pvr-350 still avaiable?

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luckyduckie:

kormoc, oh, great, do you know what it's called by chance?

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kormoc:

CBiLL, sure, but it's way overpriced

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kormoc:

luckyduckie, erm, not offhand, but I'm sure it's somewhere on ivtv's website or mythtv's wiki

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jeffmeden:

they seem to think the problem comes from the rf shield structure on the card

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luckyduckie:

ok

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CBiLL:

it only card I know that guartee closed caption support in mythtv

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luckyduckie:

it looks like maybe it's called "XV on PVR-350", i found a howto on it... thanks a lot for the pointer, i wouldn't have guessed

[02:35:44]

kormoc:

CBiLL, the pvr 250 and m179 both do as well

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CBiLL:

what a m179?

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jeffmeden:

was that something fixed in software by ivtv?

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kormoc:

jeffmeden, that's really strange, they've used the same style for years

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kormoc:

CBiLL, it's a rebranded pvr 250, made by acer I believe

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kormoc:

jeffmeden, hrm?

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CBiLL:

do they have dual version like the 500?

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kormoc:

CBiLL, I don't think so

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jeffmeden:

kormoc: what was the samsung tuner fix?

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CBiLL:

kormoc : do you happen to know which brand hdtv ota tuner card is supported with closed caption in mythtv as well too?

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kormoc:

jeffmeden, yeah, that was a ivtv fix. Happauge switched the tuners on the pvr 500 and 150 to samsung tuners rather then the phillips ones

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kormoc:

jeffmeden, so for awhile support for those cards just didn't work, but it's fixed now

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mcquaid:

is there a way to slightly zoom live tv/recordings?

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kormoc:

CBiLL, sorry, I do not

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kormoc:

mcquaid, I don't believe so

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CBiLL:

np thanks

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mcquaid:

too bad, it's just my tv is 4:3 which fits perfectly, but I like to slightly zoom some wide screen content

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kormoc:

mcquaid, ahh, you can cycle though different aspect ratios, yeah

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CBiLL:

where would I find a ivtv forum?

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kormoc:

I think it's w to do so?

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kormoc:

CBiLL, I donno, but I bet google would

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jeffmeden:

kormoc: a lot of the people with samsung tuners reported they would work but the tuning was pathetic past the first few channels

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mcquaid:

hmm, not sure if cycling ar will help me, I'd just like to zoom it up a notch or two on the fly

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jeffmeden:

is that something ivtv dealt with in software?

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mcquaid:

kinda like the e key in mplayer

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kormoc:

jeffmeden, aye, that's right.

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mcquaid:

but I think it's because ffplay doesn't have that option

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kormoc:

mcquaid, well, it's worth a try, it will do 4:3, 4:3 zoom, 16:9, 16:9 zoom, etc

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mcquaid:

ok I'll try it

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kormoc:

jeffmeden, it wasn't a hardware issue at all, it was just due to a different tuner chipset

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mcquaid:

btw, just for osd consistency, I was considering switching to the internal player, (which I believe is ffplay from ffmpeg). I know mplayer is pretty good on cpu usage, does ffplay compare?

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kormoc:

mcquaid, both mplayer and myth use libavcodec, which is also what ffplay uses

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kormoc:

mcquaid, so it should be around the same

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mcquaid:

cool

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mmde:

I have a pvr150, and my shows record at 480x480 even though mythtv is set to 720x480. I can record at 720x480 manually from /dev/video. Has anyone else seen this?

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kormoc:

mmde, you sure *all* your recording profiles are set to 720x480?

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mmde:

I will check, but I am pretty darn sure.

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jeffmeden:

kormoc: sounds like the definition of a hardware issue

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kormoc:

jeffmeden, but it's not... that's like saying that the pvr-150 was entirely hardware broken when it first came out cause ivtv didn't support it

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mmde:

If I can record from /dev/video and change the resolution with ivtvctl, then I think it is mythtvs problem

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kormoc:

mmde, right, but myth has more then one recording profile, you might have set only one to 720x480, but not all of them

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dtm:

has anyone gotten this kind of error? i am compiling mythtv 0.20 on fc6. --> ../../libs/libmythtv/libmythtv-0.20.so: undefined reference to `glXGetVideoSyncSGI'

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dtm:

http://www.pvrweb.com/bbs-old/viewtopic.php?t=46687 like this

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kormoc:

dtm, do you have mesa and mesa devel and similar installed?

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luckyduckie:

anyone know if the ivtv source tarball includes the x driver for it?

[02:47:21]

mmde:

All of my recording profiles in "MPEG-2 Encoders (PVR-x50)" under "Recording Profiles" are set to 720x480

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dtm:

kormoc: checking

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dtm:

kormoc: yes. mesa-libGL-devel-6.5.1–7.fc6 mesa-libGLU-devel-6.5.1–7.fc6

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kormoc:

dtm, hrm. what about mesa-libGLX-devel?

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jeffmeden:

so noone with a new pvr-500 has an issue in ivtv?

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kormoc:

mmde, you might want to check the backend logs and see if it says anything

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kormoc:

jeffmeden, noone in here has said anything about issues other then the fixed samsung tuner issue

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mmde:

where are those logs kept?

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dtm:

kormoc: searching for mesa packages

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kormoc:

mmde, by default, somewhere in /var/log/

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jeffmeden:

so there are no signal fidelity issues?

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kormoc:

none reported that I've seen

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mmde:

Oh those logs :)

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jeffmeden:

some posts on ivtv-users suggests theres still a question

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jeffmeden:

like this one from a few weeks ago //www.mail-archive.com/ivtv-users@ivtvdriver.org/msg04376.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.mail-archive.com/ivtv-users@ivtvdr . . . sg04376.html

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kormoc:

jeffmeden, well, there might be some, I'm just saying noone has come in here complaining bout it, and we've recommended pvr-500 for a long time

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mmde:

nothing unusual or relevant in the logs

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jeffmeden:

i just dont want to drop a bunch of money on a card and end up with a steamer

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kormoc:

mmde, there's command line options to increase the verbosity of the logs, if you really want to dig at it

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jeffmeden:

since my cable input isn't perfect to begin with

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mmde:

oh well, you wouldn't happen to have seen a problem where a pvr150 would only record mono audio?

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eidolon:

hi folks, anyone know if mythmusic can or will at some pint support streaming audio?

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eidolon:

ala, plaing online radio stations?

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dtm:

kormoc: out of all available repositories, i was only missing mesa-libGLw-devel and mesa-libOSMesa-devel. does that sound right?

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kormoc:

jeffmeden, I donno, Hans (first post in the thread) seems to say it's purely on his code, where as someone else says they think it might be a faulty amp. Honestly, I donno for sure, but I'd assume that Hans would be the one to trust, but then again, I don't mind waiting for a fix

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dtm:

kormoc: we shall see

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** kormoc shrugs **

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kormoc:

dtm, hrm

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dtm:

kormoc: no didn't work.

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kormoc:

dtm, I'm a gentoo user, but I can tell you that glxext.h is provided by mesa on my box

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dtm:

kormoc: is that what it's missing?

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kormoc:

that's the file that defines glXGetVideoSyncSGI for mine, aye

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kormoc:

/usr/include/GL/glxext.h

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dtm:

oh duh.

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dtm:

hey thanks for kicking my attention span in gear ;)

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dtm:

vroom

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kormoc:

heh, you're welcome

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kormoc:

so I guess you figured it out?

[03:00:36]

dtm:

kormoc: no but i know how to try

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dtm:

kormoc: actually i did need to know what file that came from

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reeddler:

clear

[03:02:02]

reeddler:

grrr wrong window

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mcquaid:

i was asking earlier about zooming a picture, I see in the guide Playback Recording Zoom Mode, but I don't see how to actually get into that mode

[03:02:57]

reeddler:

anyone had a problem when after transcoding the video flashes green every few seconds...

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dtm:

kormoc: okay so i alraedy had that installed in /usr/include/GL/glxext.h even though the last g++ command had "-lGL" in it.

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kormoc:

huh

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dtm:

kormoc: so, shouldn't that find it? does this tell us that it's a bug?

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dtm:

kormoc: like maybe mismatching versions

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kormoc:

maybe... check the file and see if it's actually defined in there for you

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dtm:

yeah it is

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dtm:

[dtm@chromakey mythtv-0.20]$ grep glXWaitVideoSyncSGI /usr/include/GL/glxext.h

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dtm:

extern int glXWaitVideoSyncSGI (int, int, unsigned int *);

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kormoc:

hrm

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dtm:

kormoc: similar for glXGetVideoSyncSGI

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kormoc:

something's wacky

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Tronic:

dtm: Using it is another issue...

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dtm:

kormoc: the forum i pasted said that there could be a misversioning.

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kormoc:

you don't perhaps have more then one glxext.h?

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dtm:

kormoc: but... i'm just rebuilding the atrpms srpm, which has obviously already been built on fc6 ppc

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dtm:

i'll rgrep for that function

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Tronic:

http://rafb.net/paste/results/NN7UNQ16.html

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Tronic:

That code fragment is just totally horrible.

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Tronic:

IIRC it still doesn't even compile on some systems. Most certainly it won't work on Windows, which has different name for that function.

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kormoc:

wouldn't you just use wglSwapIntervalEXT?

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PointyPumper:

hey

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Tronic:

Yeah, something like that.

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kormoc:

ahh, you are, in just a strange way

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PointyPumper:

think

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kormoc:

http://www.gamedev.net/community/forums/topic . . . ic_id=417071

[03:19:51]

PointyPumper:

that it would be enough a sempron 2800+ to use mythtv with 2 bt878?

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kormoc:

I've used that code sniplet in the past on win32 and *nix platforms

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kormoc:

PointyPumper, quite likely

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Tronic:

Isn't wgl* Windows-only?

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kormoc:

I didn't think so

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RaYmAn-Bx:

pretty sure it is.

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RaYmAn-Bx:

hence the wgl prefix

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kormoc:

but perhaps I just wrappered it

[03:22:11]

kormoc:

and don't remember doing so

[03:22:14]

kormoc:

it's been awhile

[03:22:33]

kormoc:

actually not

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kormoc:

/usr/lib/GL/mesa_wgl.h

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Tronic:

The type conversions between bool and integer are also not needed. The same conversions are implicit.

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PointyPumper:

thx kormoc

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PointyPumper:

xD

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PointyPumper:

now

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PointyPumper:

i have to fix the color thing

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PointyPumper:

:(

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Tronic:

(VSync ? 1 : 0)

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RaYmAn-Bx:

kormoc: hmm, interesting.

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kormoc:

Tronic, true enough, but the compiler will optimize it out, and it's more explicit for example code

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dtm:

haha i found glxext.h in gtkglext-devel. but i doubt mythtv has much to do with gtk!

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dtm:

i'll install it for the sheer joy of yum

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czthIII:

my sound's choppy in xmame – not directly mythtv related (MythGame, though) – anyone around happen to know a fix? docs are somewhat scarce

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jams:

ivor- you around?

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czthIII:

hm, i'm recording something at the same time, and i think i put record on RT priority, that may be it. will test.

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CoRnJuLiOx:

can you can play roms on mythtv?

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RaYmAn-Bx:

no, but mythtv can start emulators for you.

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PointyPumper:

ASD

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PointyPumper:

damn synergy

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CoRnJuLiOx:

RaYmAn-Bx: so thats what they mean by 'emulator frontend'?

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RaYmAn-Bx:

CoRnJuLiOx: presumably so

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RaYmAn-Bx:

CoRnJuLiOx: I believe it can group roms by file extension and launch the correct emulator with the correct parameters (when setup for it), when you select a rom file

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CoRnJuLiOx:

and this is on Linux, not Windows, correct?

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GreyFoxx:

yes

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RaYmAn-Bx:

yep

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kormoc:

there is no myth for windows

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CoRnJuLiOx:

thanks

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siXy:

kormoc: wasnt there a project to make a windows frontend for myth a while back?

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GreyFoxx:

There was some SoC stuff,but it died from neglect very quickly :)

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kormoc:

Yeah, projects popup every so often, but never seem to go too far

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siXy:

meh SoC :/

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GreyFoxx:

Some people were talking about working on it like a Month ago on the -dev list. No idea if they still areor not as it's been quiet since

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siXy:

tho i think with the new upnp it might integrate with windows mce, which is something i keep meaning to try to get working

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D-side:

its kind of a shame really.

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D-side:

a windows frontend would be a very good thing.

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siXy:

i can see a big market for a myth backend with an mce frontend

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D-side:

i'd think there are plenty of people who'd run linux on the server but windows desktops.

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D-side:

i think mythtv makes mce inconsequential, personally. :)

[03:56:44]

Tronic:

D-side: Sadly that would mean one less reason to use Linux, too.

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D-side:

eh.

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D-side:

if mythtv is your only reason to use linux on a machine...

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D-side:

maybe if your goal is "world domination" :)

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Tronic:

Currently a lot of people prefer to use Windows because almost all Linux programs are also available for it, but not all Windows programs are available for Linux.

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siXy:

mce is stable and easy enough to use to be a viable package to give to people with little or no computing knowledge. myth is a very long way from that atm

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D-side:

sure, but we're talking frontend here.

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D-side:

actually that reminds me. anyone use an OS X frontend?

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D-side:

i haven't looked into it much yet. i'm just curious if people have had success with it.

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siXy:

D-side: same goes in my opinion. myth's frontend just isnt quite there yet.

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D-side:

as compared to MCE? i consider them very similar

[04:01:06]

D-side:

what is it you don't like about it, from an end-user-with-a-remote-control point of view?

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Tronic:

My little brother is a good example of a user who is easily manipulated. He has WinXP and Linux on dualboot. When he wants to play BF2, he boots into Windows because the game works a bit better there. If it wasn't for MythTV frontend, he would never boot back, because everything else that he needs to do can be done in Windows. Then he won't learn Linux and cannot find out that he could do other things better there.

[04:02:15]

Tronic:

But yeah, I agree that using Linux should become voluntarily because of the superior of the OS, rather than because of the programs available for it.

[04:02:33]

siXy:

D-side: myths menus are highly complex and non-intuitive by default. sure you can change em – you can make myth look exactly like mce if you want but thats not a 5 minute job

[04:02:44]

Tronic:

... and thus MythTV frontend or in fact the backend as well should be available for Windows too.

[04:02:50]

D-side:

Tronic: you'd really have to make a case for linux being a superior desktop OS.

[04:02:56]

D-side:

I can't.

[04:03:17]

D-side:

siXy: you could be right.

[04:03:19]

Tronic:

D-side: Depends on the criteria.

[04:03:34]

D-side:

i have trouble looking at it from an inexperienced person's point of view.

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siXy:

plus mce looks fantasitc. particularly mce vista. very slick with impressive annimations fading between video and menus, and excellent pictures and mucis programs

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kormoc:

I say it's a better desktop os for myself, cause I like it, but not for most people

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D-side:

Tronic: all i'm trying to say is, linux isn't always the superior choice.

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Tronic:

D-side: Linux crashes more often than Windows and supports less hardware than Windows does. On the other hand, it has much better memory management, improving performance (especially in desktop use).

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** kormoc blinks **

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D-side:

siXy: yeah? i havent looked at vista's mce type stuff.

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Kelerion:

huh?

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D-side:

haha

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kormoc:

Tronic, I'd disagree with you

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Kelerion:

linux is *far* more stable than windows here

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GreyFoxx:

Linuxcrashes more often than windows? PFfft my as

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GreyFoxx:

s

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D-side:

how many more people are going to look at "crashes more often" and chime in

[04:04:51]

kormoc:

Tronic, I'd say linux is more stable then windows, and supports more hardware

[04:04:52]

D-side:

thats three so far

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D-side:

more hardware than windows? slow down. :)

[04:05:16]

kormoc:

sure, it supports how many different Arches? :P

[04:05:23]

D-side:

haha

[04:05:26]

D-side:

touche mon ami

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siXy:

linux in itself is very stable but the same cannot be said of the nvidia and fglrx drivers whic so many people use...

[04:05:33]

Tronic:

A lot of drivers in Linux are buggy. I just found some NULL pointer dereferencing, leading to OOPSes from the network driver a few days ago.

[04:05:44]

GreyFoxx:

Man, this laptop is dying a painful death

[04:05:45]

D-side:

Tronic: good lord. what nic is that?

[04:05:47]

kormoc:

how bleeding edge are you running?

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GreyFoxx:

Tronic: Hehe yeah, and I've never had anything for extremely well written stable Windows drivers for all of my hardware :)

[04:06:13]

D-side:

UGH i forgot to watch friday's BSG. damnit I knew i was missing something.

[04:06:13]

kormoc:

Tronic, if you would run something designed to be stable (RHEL/Centos, Debian Stable), it's far far more stable then windows is imho

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Kelerion:

I *really* bleeding edge and I still say more stable

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Tronic:

Also, the I/O core of Linux is badly designed, making it virtually crash if a device dies. For example, mount -t cifs //something/foo /mnt, then use files from there and while the files are in use, unplug the server.

[04:06:29]

D-side:

GreyFoxx: so do you buy crap or what? :)

[04:06:43]

Tronic:

Sometimes you end up with a mount point that will halt any program touching it.

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Tronic:

umount -f cannot unmount it either.

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kormoc:

Tronic, I don't have that issue personally, it jsut blocks till the timeout and gracefully soft fails

[04:07:09]

kormoc:

Tronic, till the timeout, sure

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kormoc:

which usually is set ultra high (20 minutes iirc?), but you can tweak

[04:07:51]

Tronic:

I am seeing the system loads rise by one every time a process tries to access the mount point, and the process that touched it cannot be killed.

[04:08:00]

siXy:

hmmm i dont buy this linux is more stable than sindows... in my experiance niether os crashes frequently and when they do its almost always the fault of a driver.

[04:08:06]

siXy:

*windows

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Tronic:

kormoc: IF the driver timeouts.

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CBiLL:

Howdy siXy

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kormoc:

hrm, Tronic, I don't seem to have the same issue, I just killed samba on my webserver, and I could kill the cp on my deskop that was binding on it

[04:08:38]

siXy:

hi

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Tronic:

kormoc: The big problem here is that it depends on the driver to timeout, and the smbfs and cifs drivers are known to fail to timeout in many cases.

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kormoc:

Tronic, of course it will timeout, it's part of the samba/cifs spec

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** kormoc blinks **

[04:09:10]

Tronic:

kormoc: IF it was designed correctly, any pending I/O could be terminated at any time without waiting for timeout at all.

[04:09:29]

CBiLL:

I came to a decision .. it gonna be a Core 2 Duo with matx gigabyte mobo and video card =P

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kormoc:

ahh, that's actually part of the spec too, to not terminate without the timout

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Tronic:

kormoc: The drivers have bug and they won't always timeout.

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kormoc:

blame windows for that

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** kormoc shrugs **

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Tronic:

kormoc: These bugs are well known and slowly being fixed within the drivers.

[04:10:22]

kormoc:

I'm just confused with why it works as expected on mine

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Tronic:

But as I said, the actual problem is not with the driver not timing out properly, but with the core I/O design of the kernel.

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kormoc:

samba gets killed on christina, and the cp spinlocks on desktop, I send a sigkill to it, and next spinlock check, it terminates as expected

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** kormoc shrugs **

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Tronic:

NT 5.x has been by far the most stable (as in long uptimes, not long times between reinstalls) OS that I have used.

[04:12:32]

Tronic:

On most machines it simply never crashes in my use. On some machines I get crashes due to driver bugs or broken hardware.

[04:12:33]

D-side:

i'll agree with that.

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siXy:

one of our nt boxes bluescreened the other week :/

[04:13:03]

D-side:

mine has been bluescreening since i upgraded the hard drive. i have no idea what I did to it, but it MUST have been something I did.

[04:13:07]

D-side:

it was rock solid beforehand.

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siXy:

whoopsy

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Tronic:

But the NT5 memory management sucks. No matter how much RAM you have, it will eventually swap out unused programs for more disk cache.

[04:15:18]

D-side:

ugh. i want to go to bed but i can't.

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Tronic:

Vanilla Linux kernels used to do the same, but the problem has been fixed lately by adaptive swappiness and swap prefetching (or whatever it was called – fetching pages back to RAM when idle).

[04:15:26]

siXy:

yeah ive never seen why windows refuses to use all the ram

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kormoc:

and by lately, you mean for over a year :P

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kormoc:

if not 3 by now

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Tronic:

kormoc: The latter feature only appeared very recently (or maybe I missed it until now).

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kormoc:

nah, it was added in the middle of the 2.5.x kernels (2.5.25ish iirc)

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kormoc:

it's been tweaked a lot sense, and as of 2.6.12 has been really really good for the desktop users

[04:18:29]

kormoc:

but still needs some work on server loads

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CBiLL:

pchdtv card any good?

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siXy:

CBiLL: the pchdtv linux card? yeah theres nothing wrong with it as far as i know

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CBiLL:

siXy : do you happen to know if it does closed captioning?

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siXy:

http://pchdtv.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=986&a . . . 905f79d705e5

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CBiLL:

I read that but I still do not understand what they post is saying

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CBiLL:

is it now part of the pchdtv driver?

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D-side:

woo. UPS is dropping off new toys tomorrow.

[04:27:36]

CBiLL:

nice

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CBiLL:

can't wait to get my toys

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CBiLL:

I spend over 600 dollar for it so far

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CBiLL:

and I haven't purchase the tuners yet

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siXy:

CBiLL: the post is old. but it implies that the card is physically capable of receiving the EIA-608 stream

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thechitowncubs:

hey

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CBiLL:

I know but is mythtv capiable of decoding it now?

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siXy:

ahhh thats a slightly different question to the one i thought i was answering :) in the changelog for 0.20 it mentions preliminary support for some closed captions.

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kormoc:

I wonder when CC on mute will be in myth

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siXy:

the CC on mute?

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siXy:

oh nvm

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** siXy wakes up **

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kormoc:

heh

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kormoc:

I have a hackish patch locally that does it, but it won't work for everyone

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siXy:

ahh the good "old works for me" :)

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kormoc:

heh, aye

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siXy:

kormoc: when the changelog mentions preliminary support for CC, how preliminary does it mean?

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siXy:

as in works most of the time, or works occasionally for some poeple?

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kormoc:

iirc, I beleive it was more of the later

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thechitowncubs:

is mythtv a good choice for a system to play music throughout my whole house? and if i were to use mythv what would be the best way to control the music from different areas of the house?

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kormoc:

depends on driver, card, stream, etc

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siXy:

thechitowncubs: do you want to play different songs in different rooms at the same time?

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thechitowncubs:

siXy, not necessarily...

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kormoc:

well, perhaps a better question

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kormoc:

would the ability to have the *exact* same song playing at the *exact* same time thoughout the house matter?

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siXy:

then there are a number of multiroom amps that offer a cheap way to do it. otherwise, unless you have tvs in all the rooms you want to play music in you are looking at a custom install or sonos/squeezebox type solutions

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siXy:

heh :)

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thechitowncubs:

sorry, i got disconnected

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thechitowncubs:

siXy, did you say anything?

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siXy:

then there are a number of multiroom amps that offer a cheap way to do it. otherwise, unless you have tvs in all the rooms you want to play music in you are looking at a custom install or sonos/squeezebox type solutions

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CBiLL:

hehehe he missed it all

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thechitowncubs:

siXy, different songs in different rooms is not what im going for... basically i want control of mythtv from different areas of the house, what would be the best way of controlling it like so?

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siXy:

mythtv requires a tv in each room, although if money is no object you could use a 7" touchscreen lcd. that would be a *very* nice solution.

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siXy:

ah in that case just use a rf remote.

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thechitowncubs:

si

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siXy:

the snapstream firefly is the one to go for

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CBiLL:

you will need some type of mediabox in each room hooked up to a tv

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CBiLL:

ie the frontend

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siXy:

no you wont

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thechitowncubs:

ya, an rf remote worked great when we had a dishnetwork box

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CBiLL:

you wont?

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siXy:

just a firefly remote. or if you want to be fancy a philllips pronto of logitech harmony 1000

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CBiLL:

how would he make a selection of what music to play?

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thechitowncubs:

that firefly looks very interesting

[04:43:39]

CBiLL:

yeah I am getting that remote myself too

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thechitowncubs:

i can't wait to start building my box, we just put speakers in a bunch of rooms

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siXy:

CBiLL: you just set a playlist in the living room then you can play/pause/skip in the other rooms. not elegant but several thousands cheaper.

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siXy:

thechitowncubs: i reccomend you take a look at slimdevices squeeebox however. it would be a better solution than mythtv imo

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siXy:

*squeezebox

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CBiLL:

how would he seperate each speakers in each room to play different songs?

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kormoc:

he wouldn't

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siXy:

CBiLL: for that you would need to spend thousands.

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siXy:

or get a couople of squeezeboxes, ofc

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thechitowncubs:

id rather have a mythtv setup

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CBiLL:

yup so I thought he wanted the capably of playing different songs in each room

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kormoc:

<thechitowncubs> siXy, different songs in different rooms is not what im going for...

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siXy:

they are not mutually exclusive. you can have a mythtv box that is the sever for the squeezeboxes in the different rooms

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siXy:

kormoc: yeah i know. was replying to cbill.

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thechitowncubs:

how easy is mythv once everything works... for example, would a fellow family member be able to watch tv, pause, etc, without having a heart attack

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kormoc:

depends on your setup

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CBiLL:

and the remote control you provide them 8-P

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kormoc:

I have a remote, and thus the pause button pauses (surprise surprise)

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kormoc:

but if I was evil, I could make the pause button turn off the tv!

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** kormoc laughs evilly **

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siXy:

thechitowncubs: most people are fine once you walk them through how to use it

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thechitowncubs:

lol

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CBiLL:

"ok now to pause you want to press that button "A then B then D"

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siXy:

heh

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thechitowncubs:

thanks guys, im gonna start looking for a capture card and a bigger hard drive to get started

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CBiLL:

I am so torn between getting a pvr250/350 or a pvr150/500

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siXy:

dont get a 250/350.

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thechitowncubs:

whats the main difference

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CBiLL:

problem with me being a deaf man .. I need my show captioned

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siXy:

250 is no better than a 150, and is more expensive.

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kormoc:

CBiLL, if you ever see sarahem (or emm) in here, you should talk with her, she's been playing with CC support on the 150

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siXy:

350 is almost obselete now.

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CBiLL:

and 250/300 are confirmed CC working with no issue while 150/500 you gotta make sure you have "certain" version keneral and ivtv to get CC working

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kormoc:

siXy, the 250/350 has fully supported CC support, the 150/500's is new

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CBiLL:

and if your lucky .. CC will work

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CBiLL:

8-/

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kormoc:

it can only get better imho

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hehe:

hey guyss

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kormoc:

but if it's that important, it's understandable

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siXy:

kormoc: i thought cc was fully working on the 150?

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CBiLL:

it is to me 8-/

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hehe:

anybody got mythtv on ubuntu edgy?

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CBiLL:

living a deaf lives are costly

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D-side:

i do, as a frontend.

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D-side:

hehe: thtas to you

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kormoc:

siXy, last I knew, it was limited to a certain ivtv version and a certain kernel version

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thechitowncubs:

hehe, i want to have it on ubuntu eddy, why do you wask

[04:52:52]

hehe:

I am trying to compile mythtv from sources and not able to get dependency satisfied

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thechitowncubs:

oh

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siXy:

oh ok then. 250 alll the way then CBiLL

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hehe:

when I do apt-get build-dep mythtv, its says can't be satisfied

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D-side:

i just used the edgy packages

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D-side:

they're using -fixes

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siXy:

dont bother with the 350. its really not worth it.

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kormoc:

yeah

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CBiLL:

yeah then if I wanted to record something that on my sat reciever and something on my analog cable .. I am screwed with 250 8-(

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kormoc:

CBiLL, only one pci slot?

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CBiLL:

2

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CBiLL:

will be used up

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CBiLL:

1 analog tuner and another hdtv tuner

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CBiLL:

microatx

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kormoc:

hrm

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CBiLL:

the other 2 is a 16x ans 1x pci express

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kormoc:

I doubt you'd want to wait like 2 months for a card

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siXy:

cbill get a pci-e hdtv tuner then

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CBiLL:

why? is there a new card coming out?

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CBiLL:

pci-e tuner? is that for the 1x slot?

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siXy:

ther are several pci-e hdtv tuners

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kormoc:

nah, more just a case of I have a known working m179 I could sell cheap once I had the money for a pvr-500

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CBiLL:

m179 wouldn't work for me

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kormoc:

and thus you could buy a cheap card for the near future till the pvr 500's support would stablize

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kormoc:

ooh? why's that?

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CBiLL:

no coax audio in

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CBiLL:

for my sat receiver

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** kormoc peers at his **

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CBiLL:

I need the video/R/L in

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D-side:

but.

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CBiLL:

"I checked"

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CBiLL:

=P

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D-side:

okay look, i'm sorry.

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D-side:

you're deaf. do you NEED that coax in?

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CBiLL:

like we deafie can't "feel"?

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D-side:

man i honestly don't even know why i just asked you that.

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kormoc:

CBiLL, http://www.machineroom.org/hometheater/15-116-601-02.JPG

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D-side:

OH RIGHT. i totally forgot about that. i knew another deaf person a while back who explained that to me then, sorry man.

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kormoc:

CBiLL, looks like it has those inputs to me

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CBiLL:

trust me if you ever came visit me, you'll be screaming turn the damn thing down!

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siXy:

CBiLL: http://tven.terratec.net/modules.php?op=modlo . . . &sid=240

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CBiLL:

I got 2 suf woofer

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D-side:

your neighbors must LOVE you

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CBiLL:

and looking to add those bass shaker I been hearing about

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kormoc:

tho, mine is a little different, strange that some m179's do have them and some don't

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CBiLL:

ah

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CBiLL:

nice tuner siXy .. I am glad to know now that I could use that pci-e slot

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CBiLL:

I am gonna research on that m179 card some more kormoc

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CBiLL:

I hate having to pay so much money just becasue it confirm working with captions 8-/ when I don't need anything else on the card the 250/350

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CBiLL:

I knew it was a silly deal

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D-side:

m179?

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D-side:

aren't those the piece of shit ones with awful tuners or mpeg2 encoders?

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kormoc:

D-side, it's a rebranded 250

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D-side:

i remember those from years ago

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D-side:

kormoc: i recall horror stories though

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kormoc:

ooh?

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D-side:

was it just bad tuner support?

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kormoc:

I donno

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CBiLL:

hrmmm it's a piece of shit?

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kormoc:

I just got them recently

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kormoc:

(within 8 months or so)

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D-side:

because i remember going back maybe 2 3 years, they could be found on ebay for like $30 and people felt they wasted the $

[05:00:55]

kormoc:

and they've been fine

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D-side:

its working for you?

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kormoc:

aye

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CBiLL:

with CC? (if you use them)

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D-side:

my only recollection of the name was, again, from years ago. i'm glad i'm wrong.

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D-side:

for your sake. :)

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kormoc:

and I bought them from cyberknet (or cyberknot) on here, and they were fine for him for a long time

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kormoc:

CBiLL, aye, cc's work fine

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CBiLL:

are they still in the market?

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kormoc:

I don't think they're making any new ones, nope

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CBiLL:

so Ill have to hunt for one on ebay then

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kormoc:

D-side, it was a no risk deal anyway, cyberknet send me them, and let me evaluate them before I paid him, so it was a really nice deal :)

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D-side:

oh, nice.

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CBiLL:

found 1 on ebay

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CBiLL:

20 bux

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charlieS:

Ugh. Is it at all possible to get alsa to use _Both_ spdif _and_ analog at the _same_ time?

[05:02:51]

CBiLL:

cheap

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CBiLL:

gonna ask him if it have r/l coax in

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CBiLL:

for audio

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D-side:

charlieS: not sure, i've never attempted it.

[05:03:10]

CBiLL:

he got 13 left

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D-side:

i wouldnt be surprised if it didnt.

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siXy:

charlieS: depends on your soundcard.

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charlieS:

siXy: AV-710 :)

[05:04:05]

siXy:

AV-710 doesnt mean anything to me. whats that?

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charlieS:

oh. the 7.1 chaintech card. uses ice1724 driver.

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D-side:

i've never heard of any of these.

[05:05:36]

charlieS:

a popular card.. especially with the head-fi forum people.

[05:06:06]

D-side:

well thats always good. works well within linux?

[05:06:44]

charlieS:

yup.

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D-side:

excellent.

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kormoc:

no hardware mixing tho :/

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D-side:

hm?

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charlieS:

just trying to figure out how to get both at once, so I don't have to change anything to listen to music vs watch tv via the tv speakers.

[05:07:25]

siXy:

the iceXXXX cards are not the easiest to dmix, but it should work. might take a little bit of time to get working, however

[05:07:25]

kormoc:

it uses dmix to mix multiple sound streams via the cpu

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CBiLL:

I got the 19 dollar wintv card

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CBiLL:

and a friend told me he using it in his mythtv and works great

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CBiLL:

but no audio in

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kormoc:

rather then say a sound blaster live 16 bit, it does the mixing on the card, so it just works

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CBiLL:

just a video phono and coax

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D-side:

CBiLL: well if its just cable you're using, you dont need audio in obviously

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CBiLL:

CC works great in Windows Tv thou

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CBiLL:

sat receiver

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siXy:

dmix > hardware mixing anyway. tho i admit its not that easy.

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D-side:

CBiLL: you've got a fast enough card, right?

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kormoc:

siXy, ooh? I've found the opposite to be honest

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charlieS:

yea, it was a bit of a pain :)

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D-side:

CBiLL: no problem, just get a stereo rca->stereo mini-jack cable

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CBiLL:

to the motherboard?

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D-side:

the sound card, so if thats built in, yes.

[05:08:56]

CBiLL:

that will work?

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kormoc:

D-side, for a mpeg-2 card?

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siXy:

but you will need to create a dmix device to route audio to spdif and normal analogue. it might be easier if you have an onbaord soundcard as well to chain the two cards together and send digital to one and analogue tot he other.

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D-side:

kormoc: he said he's got a $20 wintv

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D-side:

CBiLL: sure it will. i was using somethign similar

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CBiLL:

so basically I connect my sat reciever to the video on the tuner card and the sat reciever R/L audio to an adapter and plug it into the motherboard (onboard sound)?

[05:10:13]

kormoc:

D-side, ooh, I thought he was gonna buy a new one and talking bout for the new setup

[05:10:14]

charlieS:

siXy: hrmm. That might be the way to go.

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D-side:

kormoc: hell, i dont know wtf is going on. :)

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D-side:

i'm utterly beat

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CBiLL:

let me find that link of my tuner card I have

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siXy:

charlieS: its not that hard to make two separate soundcards behave like one device using dmix, but you will need to spend some time at the alsa wiki

[05:11:02]

D-side:

i'd be in bed already if it werent for laundry

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charlieS:

siXy: cool, thanks

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siXy:

no probs.

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CBiLL:

I got a 2,4 ghz system sitting here running XP and I am tempted to reformat it into linux just to mess with analog mythtv while I wait for my part but one thing keeping me back

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CBiLL:

I play WoW 8-P

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charlieS:

CBiLL: there are live CDs with myth installed...

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kormoc:

for frontends

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kormoc:

not for backends

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CBiLL:

doesn't it still need partiation?

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CBiLL:

http://www.surpluscomputers.com/store/main.as . . . tem=CRD10186

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CBiLL:

that the card I have

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CBiLL:

paid 19

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CBiLL:

it's 16 now

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CBiLL:

I am checking to see if there a linux version of WoW

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kormoc:

there isn't

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siXy:

CBiLL: cedega

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kormoc:

but it does run in cedega (http://www.transgaming.com)

[05:18:24]

siXy:

cedega isnt free, however.

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CBiLL:

any linux distro?

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kormoc:

hrm?

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CBiLL:

ie I can install it on like FC or Gentoo etc

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RaYmAn-Bx:

siXy: partly free still, I believe? Unless something has changed recently.

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kormoc:

sure

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kormoc:

it comes as .debs, .rpms, and there's ebuilds for it

[05:21:16]

RaYmAn-Bx:

The sourcecode is open and on their cvs at least

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CBiLL:

ok going to read it

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kormoc:

RaYmAn-Bx, part of the source-code

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siXy:

CBiLL: it will run fine on most if not all mainstream distros

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kormoc:

RaYmAn-Bx, the copy protection, and the directx stuff is closed source

[05:21:43]

RaYmAn-Bx:

kormoc: enough to run it?

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RaYmAn-Bx:

ah

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RaYmAn-Bx:

of course.

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siXy:

kormoc: some parts of the source are availiable. but as far as i know to really do anything useful you need to pay. if you want free use wine

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kormoc:

indeed

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CBiLL:

if this cedega let me run WoW on linux and not too pricey .. I am dumping xp for good then

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AngryElf:

i can't seem to find a control/jump point for "quit" i.e. jump to the exit screen....is there a command that does this in the frontend?

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kormoc:

Standard disclaimer, I'm on the offical transgaming beta team, I work with the devs and all that jazz, so take my advice with a grain of salt

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siXy:

CBiLL: it wont be as fast as windows.

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CBiLL:

ah ok

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kormoc:

CBiLL, it's $5 a month, subscription, and free updates while subscribed

[05:23:22]

CBiLL:

oh monthly

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CBiLL:

I hate monthly

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kormoc:

CBiLL, and yeah, it's not as fast as windows, but it is playable

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CBiLL:

too many damn companies want monthly now days

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RaYmAn-Bx:

presumably you don't actually need to keep paying though?

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kormoc:

CBiLL, you can pay in 3/6/9/12 month blocks

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siXy:

you can just pay once off and not get upgrades tho

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myke:

can some one help me?

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CBiLL:

but I can pay for future upgrades?

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kormoc:

sure

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kormoc:

you subscribe for the min (3 months)

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myke:

im trying to install and im getting dependencies erros

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myke:

cant figure out what it is

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kormoc:

and then when another version is out, just subscribe for the 3 months again

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CBiLL:

so I sub for 3 months and play WoW forever even if a new version come out and thee nothing in new version I needed?

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kormoc:

sure

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CBiLL:

or unless WoW patches require new version?

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kormoc:

assuming a WOW update doesn't break things, which has been known to happen

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kormoc:

aye

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CBiLL:

shit

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CBiLL:

I hate that

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myke:

i can run mythtv but it brings me to a setup but then fails after the database configure 2/2

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CBiLL:

and another problem I got is that I use ZBoard to play WoW

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CBiLL:

8-/

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kormoc:

myke, my psychic powers can't seem to pick up on the error on your screen, but I can tell you that the chicken salad you might eat tomorrow for lunch is bad, so skip it.

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CBiLL:

gonnna go check to see if it got linux package for it

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myke:

umm

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myke:

i will probally eat wendys chicked nuggets

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myke:

(cheap shit)

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CBiLL:

yup no linux driver for Fang Zboard .. craps!

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myke:

No error type from QSqlError? Strange...

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myke:

2006-10–30 00:25:24.093 Failed to init MythContext, exiting.

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kormoc:

chicken nuggets, chicken salad... the spirits are vague!!!

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myke:

lol

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myke:

yup

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kormoc:

myke, you might as well throw up the entire output in a pastebin, like www.pastebin.ca

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myke:

k

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siXy:

CBiLL: you may be able to use the xkb utils to map the keys how you want them and make it work.

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myke:

http://pastebin.ca/228663

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CBiLL:

I didn't think about that since it also a standard keyboard

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kormoc:

myke, for some reason, the username/password you gave mythtv-setup was wrong

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CBiLL:

and the driver for it is only a key remap driver that can save it's setting

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kormoc:

myke, you did follow the directions on the mythtv website?

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CBiLL:

now I am real tempted to reformat my drive and install linux hehe

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myke:

maybe i didnt setup the sql right

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CBiLL:

what distro shall I go with?

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myke:

i installed a sever

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siXy:

fedora core 6 is pretty.

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kormoc:

I'm a gentoo guy personally, but uhh, it's not for everyone :P

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myke:

but dont think i configured it

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siXy:

comes with AIGLX installed by default

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CBiLL:

I am still running FC1 on my production server =P

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CBiLL:

I have done gentoo before at stage tarball 1 =P

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siXy:

gentoo is great if you either have a monstrously fast pc or dont mind waiting hours for everything to recompile all the time...

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kormoc:

myke, yeah, you should likely look into configuring it a bit, and inporting the mc.sql file

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CBiLL:

not too hard if you follow the manual

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kormoc:

yeah, it's not too hard to get installed, but lots of people seem to have issues with it after it installs

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CBiLL:

a friend of mine is using prepackage distro and mythtv and say it so great .. can't remember the distro he using

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CBiLL:

at the tip of my tongue hrmmm

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kormoc:

knoppmyth?

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siXy:

CBiLL: i would reccomend fedora 6 first (partly as its the newest stable mainstream distro) followed by suse/ubuntu

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CBiLL:

trying to find the link he sent me

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kormoc:

mythdora?

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kormoc:

those are the two that I know of

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CBiLL:

mythdora!

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CBiLL:

that is it

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siXy:

CBiLL: dont bother. use a proper distro if you want to play games on it.

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CBiLL:

ah ok

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hello_man:

SiXY

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siXy:

hi

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hello_man:

I just isntalled Ubuntu edgy and not able to get mythtv dependencies

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hello_man:

any suggestion why/

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siXy:

thats a brilliantly vaugue question :)

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hello_man:

altough I really like ubuntu.. very neat, and deteected my wirless as well

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** kormoc uses his psychic powers to read hello_man's screen **

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hello_man:

:)

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hello_man:

what I meant is, I was trying to compile mythtv from sources.

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CBiLL:

hrmmm

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CBiLL:

going to read up on Ubuntu

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hello_man:

I order to get all teh dependent packages, I tried apt-get build-dep mythtv

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hello_man:

it compalianed that can't satisfy

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hello_man:

I was following mythtv/wiki guide about utbuntu 6.10

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CBiLL:

I have done a bunch of distro in the past .. my first was slackware back in let see 1991 or aroudabout

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CBiLL:

can I have a link to that guide?

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kormoc:

hello_man, it would help to get, you know, the exact messages...

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siXy:

CBiLL: ubuntu is a bit of an odd distro if you are used to using linux

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kormoc:

hello_man, post the output to a pastebin

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CBiLL:

ah ok

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siXy:

but it is very easy to use

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hello_man:

there is nothing as such. it keep on saying couldn;t satisfy depedncies

[05:38:47]

hello_man:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Ubuntu_E . . . _From_Source

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kormoc:

hello_man, and that's all it says, nothing more at all?

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hello_man:

siXy, why ubuntu is odd?

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hello_man:

no.

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siXy:

its great for just working... but i find it harder to accomplish unusual things in.

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CBiLL:

one thing I probably will rather install is soemthing that have dep checks

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CBiLL:

like yum

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hello_man:

I uncommented all the things in the source.list

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CBiLL:

in FC

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kormoc:

hello_man, so erm, how are we to know what ubuntu is even attempting to do?

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siXy:

hello_man: for example the way it handles the root account. but its fine for running mythtv.

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hello_man:

not sure.

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siXy:

hello_man: can you post the complete output of that command?

[05:40:25]

hello_man:

another thing I noticed is that http://packages.freecontrib.org is down

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hello_man:

sixy, I got fed up and closed the system. will do that tomorow

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hello_man:

may be it has some dependencioes

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kormoc:

it's more of a #ubuntu issue then a #mythtv-users, you might get more help there

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hello_man:

yeah.. probably..

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hello_man:

But I liek this channel :)

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CBiLL:

does FC6 have Mythtv in it's yum depo?

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kormoc:

aye, it does

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siXy:

hello_man: you may have more luck tommorow. it sounds like apt cant talk to its repos

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siXy:

CBiLL: myth is in a thrid party repo for fedora called atrpms.

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CBiLL:

one thing i hate about FC that everytime it got a new version number it drop support on old version fast

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siXy:

CBiLL: old versions go to #fedoralegcy. thats not the same as dropping support, just means that the channel stays pretty much on topic

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siXy:

*#fedoralegacy

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siXy:

hello_man: i suspect if you run that command again tomorrow whatever network conditions affecting your repos will have gone away and apt will be able to pull all the required dependancies. if it still doesnt work, check you have enabled the correct repos.

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siXy:

kormoc do you know anything about the c-media oxygen hd chipset in linux?

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** kormoc shakes his head **

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kormoc:

sorr

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kormoc:

y

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mchou:

siXy: linky?

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hello_man:

ok siXy.

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mchou:

siXy: this is for video?

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hello_man:

I will try tomorow

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mchou:

siXy: cmedia sound was less than stellar :)

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siXy:

http://www.auzentech.com/site/products/x-meridian.php

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CBiLL:

one of you were telling me about this device that you connect to the rack server the other day

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siXy:

mchou: that one looks very stellar

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CBiLL:

to be able to remotely check the server even if it down

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kormoc:

CBiLL, ipkvm?

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CBiLL:

can't remember

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CBiLL:

oh yeah

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CBiLL:

thanks

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kormoc:

you're welcome

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CBiLL:

I am telling a friend of mine about it now

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siXy:

kvm over ip solutions are expensive tho. very.

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CBiLL:

we got a new server

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mchou:

siXy: umm, no, it doesnt look stellar at all

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CBiLL:

going to install FC6 and move the production over to the new server soon

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siXy:

full bit-rate surround sound over digital? the x-fi cant do that.

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mchou:

siXy: I belive all the fancy smancy stuff is all done in SW, iirc

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kormoc:

CBiLL, I'd wait. xris is using fc6 and ran into some strange issues

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CBiLL:

ohhh

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CBiLL:

FC5 then?

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CBiLL:

and I can always upgrade to 6 if that issue is solved?

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kormoc:

that's what I'm doing currently

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kormoc:

gonna give fc6 a few months to stablize out

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siXy:

mchou: unless you know of another card that can do full bitrate 7.1 over digital?

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CBiLL:

thanks for the head up kormoc

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mchou:

siXy: not really. havent been following the sound scene lately though

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** kormoc nods **

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siXy:

CBiLL: as long as you disable aiglx when running myth there are no major fc6/myth issues im aware of. as they say, it works for me :)

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kormoc:

siXy, heh, he said for a server, I figured that'd be a little different then a desktop for myth :P

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siXy:

but fc5 isnt that old, and fc6 still has some teething troubles atm so its not a bad plan to go fc5 for now

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siXy:

oh sorry i must have missed a few lines.

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siXy:

yeah definately dont use fc6 on any kind of production server :)

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LoneShadow:

Hi

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LoneShadow:

do you folks use the default mplayer to play videos ?

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kormoc:

nope, I use the internal video player

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PointyPumper:

cant beleive this :(

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mchou:

PointyPumper: cant believe what?

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LoneShadow:

hey mchou

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mchou:

jey LoneShadow

[05:57:00]

mchou:

hey*

[05:57:00]

LoneShadow:

long time :D

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mchou:

LoneShadow: I still have yer shitty mobos :)

[05:57:23]

LoneShadow:

lol

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mchou:

come over and get it to recycling pls

[05:57:51]

mchou:

I got enough clutter

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LoneShadow:

maybe next weekend :D

[05:58:12]

PointyPumper:

SNIF

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PointyPumper:

look

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PointyPumper:

http://www.pointless.com.ar/tele.jpg

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mchou:

LoneShadow: dude, I'm not really kidding....

[05:58:34]

PointyPumper:

got EVERITHING settuped

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PointyPumper:

but, in bw

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PointyPumper:

:'(

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PointyPumper:

setuped

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LoneShadow:

kormoc: what do you mean default player ? I am trying to play .avi file with subtitles

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CBiLL:

look like you trying to use componment as composite to me

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LoneShadow:

trying to figure out how to make the mplayer pick the subtitles automatically

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mchou:

PointyPumper: problem #1: You using windows

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PointyPumper:

hahahaha

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PointyPumper:

nah

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kormoc:

LoneShadow, myth has a internal video player, same as the one that playsback tv recordings

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mchou:

PointyPumper: problem #2 root over ssh

[05:59:44]

PointyPumper:

im configuring the linux box

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PointyPumper:

yea

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PointyPumper:

that is bad

[05:59:50]

PointyPumper:

i know

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PointyPumper:

-_-

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kormoc:

LoneShadow, I use that, so I can't really help out with mplayer subtitle issues

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kormoc:

sorry

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PointyPumper:

but

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PointyPumper:

the main problem

[06:00:00]

PointyPumper:

here

[06:00:02]

PointyPumper:

is the color xD

[06:00:05]

LoneShadow:

mchou: do you want to get it to work tomm, I can meet ya at rivermark plaza at lunchtime

[06:00:18]

CBiLL:

what filesystem should I go with in FC6 if I am going play WoW and run MythTV

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mchou:

LoneShadow: probably Tues.

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PointyPumper:

cant use the fucking pal-nc :(

[06:00:51]

PointyPumper:

everythign else works

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kormoc:

CBiLL, I like ext3 (safe and well tested), followed by xfs, and then jfs

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PointyPumper:

but not color

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siXy:

CBiLL ext3 for reliablity, or xfs for speed

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CBiLL:

the guide said to use xfs and avoid ext3 =p

[06:01:21]

PointyPumper:

any news bout reiser?

[06:01:25]

PointyPumper:

and his wife?

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PointyPumper:

havent read anything bout that

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mchou:

LoneShadow: if Tues. noon works for ya then it's a go

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PointyPumper:

in a while

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siXy:

ext3 is slow with large files, which is why the guide said to avioud it. xfs uses pretty aggressive caching so powercuts can someitmes cause data loss

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LoneShadow:

sure

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kormoc:

ext4 should speed up large file handling, which will be nice

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CBiLL:

well I don't want to create too many partation with different fs on it

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CBiLL:

=/

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CBiLL:

so there no "all-round" fs to use or mythtv will run on ext3?

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kormoc:

I run my myth on ext3

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siXy:

myth will run fine on ext3.

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CBiLL:

ok ext3 then

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kormoc:

the only real annoyance is long delete times

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mchou:

there is nothing wrong with using xfs

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kormoc:

and honestly, I don't mind it that much

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LoneShadow:

anyone know how to play .avi files with subtitles files ?

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mchou:

if the power goes out you aint watching the recorded program anyways

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mchou:

cause it didnt finish recording

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CBiLL:

hrmmm

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mchou:

so data loss is just red herring

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mchou:

not to mention reruns

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siXy:

mchou: not if its going to be a desktop/general purpose machine as well it isnt

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mchou:

just record again the next time

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mchou:

siXy: man, stop smoking dope. only recordings goes in the xfs volume

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siXy:

the data lost is an office document, that will be difficult to re-record

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mchou:

siXy: dude, dont be clueless

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siXy:

which is fine if you have separate volumes for recordings

[06:07:11]

mchou:

shit. that's automatic

[06:07:26]

CBiLL:

mchou : siXy knows I want to avoid having different partations with different fs

[06:07:30]

siXy:

if you dont want to have separate partitions for records as he implied he didnt, then thats not great solution, is it.

[06:07:33]

mchou:

it'd be stupid to store small files with large ones

[06:07:34]

CBiLL:

that why he recommand ext3

[06:07:58]

siXy:

mchou: always read what has gone before before calling people clueless.

[06:08:47]

mchou:

siXy: you both are being clueless. He never gabe a good reason for avoiding a partition for recordings

[06:08:52]

mchou:

gave*

[06:09:15]

CBiLL:

and I don't need to 8-)

[06:09:20]

siXy:

not to you, no. but i wasnt trying to help you. hed already said he didnt want separate partitions.

[06:09:50]

mchou:

siXy: which is why I said "[22:10:17] <mchou> it'd be stupid to store small files with large ones"

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CBiLL:

we heard you for the first time

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siXy:

mchou: despite what you think about using a single volume for all non /boot data calling me clueless because you cant read is a bit stupid.

[06:12:04]

banyan:

I am having a hard time understanding something. yum keeps wanting to update faad2 but it is already the most up to date version on atrpms, with all the other repos having faad2 excluded.

[06:12:18]

mchou:

siXy: that's funny. I did read, and responded to both his and your points

[06:12:26]

kormoc:

banyan, that's more a issue for #fedora then here

[06:12:54]

mchou:

siXy: lemme say it again: "it'd be stupid to store small files with large ones"

[06:13:14]

banyan:

Well, I thought I might find somebody else who had this issue since myth is affected by the upgrade yum keeps wanting to do.

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siXy:

mchou: i am perfectly aware of the reasons for not wanting to store large and small files on the same volume. thats not what we were talking about.

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sh3mh4mf0r4sh:

merlin ya toy dentro

[06:17:38]

mchou:

siXy: oh rally now? iirc, you're the one that bought up the office doc and recording example.

[06:17:40]

** kormoc raises an eyebrow **

[06:17:47]

mchou:

really*

[06:18:00]

kormoc:

sh3mh4mf0r4sh, can you make a tad more sense?

[06:18:20]

siXy:

yes, becuase of the earlier converstaion i had had with CBiLL.

[06:19:09]

sh3mh4mf0r4sh:

hey.. need help with this trouble -> DiSEqCDevTree, Error: No root device tree node!

[06:19:09]

sh3mh4mf0r4sh:

2006-10–30 07:50:41.960 DVBChan(0) Error: Tune(): Failed to setup DiSEqC devices

[06:19:23]

sh3mh4mf0r4sh:

any idea?

[06:19:43]

mchou:

siXy: that's hardly a "conversation." [22:10:10] <CBiLL> mchou : siXy knows I want to avoid having different partations with different fs

[06:20:03]

mchou:

siXy: to bad CBill never explained WHY

[06:20:07]

mchou:

too*

[06:20:54]

sh3mh4mf0r4sh:

left that Warning: No device tree for cardid 2

[06:20:59]

** siXy cannot be bothered to argue with trolls anymore **

[06:21:12]

mchou:

siXy: yeah whatever

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sh3mh4mf0r4sh:

hey.. need help with this trouble -> DiSEqCDevTree, Error: No root device tree node!

[06:26:20]

sh3mh4mf0r4sh:

2006-10–30 07:50:41.960 DVBChan(0) Error: Tune(): Failed to setup DiSEqC devices

[06:26:22]

sh3mh4mf0r4sh:

any idea?

[06:26:25]

sh3mh4mf0r4sh:

left that Warning: No device tree for cardid 2

[06:26:47]

sh3mh4mf0r4sh:

with Vision Plus TwinHan Model 1020G DVB-S

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sh3mh4mf0r4sh:

la pinga pa to el mundo y los cojones pal que no alcance, y la lechita pa los diabeticos, respondan o que pinga les pasa!

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Evil_Resident:

kormoc, hi the trouble is we have DVB-S PCI Card VisionPlus Twinhan Model 1020G running well and mythtv0.20 running ok but we have this trouble when try to connect to LNB

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Evil_Resident:

and scan any channel for any frecuency

[06:29:35]

Evil_Resident:

2006-10–30 07:50:40.960 DiSEqCDevTree, Error: No root device tree node!

[06:29:41]

Evil_Resident:

2006-10–30 07:50:41.960 DVBChan(0) Error: Tune(): Failed to setup

[06:29:47]

Evil_Resident:

DiSEqC devices DiSEqCDevTree, Warning: No device tree for cardid 2

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sh3mh4mf0r4sh:

Evil_Resident no te malgastes .. estoe s el "kormo" , venir aca cuando todos duermen :S

[06:30:32]

Evil_Resident:

manzana

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kormoc:

Evil_Resident, sorry, but I don't have any experience with DVB cards, so I can't really offer any advice

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Evil_Resident:

uff hummm.. and how you use mythtv ? Pansat ? Coolsat ? any box?

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kormoc:

just a analog tv card

[06:32:20]

kormoc:

a pvr 250

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Evil_Resident:

ufff

[06:32:40]

sh3mh4mf0r4sh:

normallllllllllll

[06:32:43]

Evil_Resident:

well not you but any one can help us¿¿

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Evil_Resident:

de pipiz asere tu sabes lo que es que aqui no alla nadie que pueda ayudar le ronca

[06:33:15]

sh3mh4mf0r4sh:

180 por gustavo

[06:33:27]

Evil_Resident:

tal parecen puros bot

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sh3mh4mf0r4sh:

kormoc did you know someone to have any experience with dvb cards?

[06:33:53]

** kormoc shakes his head **

[06:33:55]

kormoc:

sorry

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sh3mh4mf0r4sh:

somebody active here?

[06:34:11]

Evil_Resident:

I think not :X

[06:34:21]

kormoc:

you might want to try in around 8 hours or so, when the Europe folks are active

[06:34:23]

sh3mh4mf0r4sh:

kormoc he.. did you the choosen one to stay wake? :)

[06:34:23]

siXy:

what do you want to know?

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sh3mh4mf0r4sh:

siXy read up ^

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siXy:

Evil_Resident's error?

[06:35:07]

Evil_Resident:

siXy???

[06:35:37]

siXy:

sorry brb

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banyan:

so, you all happy with fc6 and mythtv-20?

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TakKovacs:

banyan: I was having a heap of trouble with 2.6.18 and fc5 and 0.20 so I went back to 2.6.17

[06:58:37]

TakKovacs:

what kernel are you running and is it working for you ?

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Hoxzer:

banyan: <3 debian etch base install here

[07:05:28]

Hoxzer:

2.6.16-2–686 kernel here ;) (haven't booted for a while)

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kraut:

moin

[07:28:37]

banyan:

hmm, interesting. I am having an issue with 0.20 playing back thru my pvr350, using 50% of the cpu.

[07:28:53]

banyan:

what was your problem with 2.6.18?

[07:30:36]

banyan:

Now, I've gone up to fc6 though (in hopes that it would solve the issue but it didn't)

[07:35:18]

TakKovacs:

banyan: a dvico dual digital card, which both tuners work fine under 2.6.17, only one works under 2.6.18, with the other tuner not getting any signal or luck

[07:35:32]

TakKovacs:

lock

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banyan:

different issue then.

[08:15:00]

null_:

Is it possible to wake-up the computer using an infrared remote attachted to a serial ir receiver?

[08:16:13]

kenguru:

in bios power-on from standby if any comport traffic is detected?

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sanmarcos:

anybody interested in a script to change channels (ivtv) through the remote?

[08:23:21]

banyan:

Have they got the mceusb2 lirc module to be read-write yet or is it stil read only? anyone know?

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fish_:

re

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PointyPumper:

uhm

[08:52:50]

PointyPumper:

goyt a linux question

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PointyPumper:

nothing to do with mythtv

[08:52:57]

PointyPumper:

bah

[08:53:00]

PointyPumper:

could have to do xD

[08:53:03]

PointyPumper:

anybody in here?

[08:56:58]

sanmarcos:

yep

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PointyPumper:

i need

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PointyPumper:

to build the bttv driver

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PointyPumper:

i've found a nice document that shows wich registers to use with bt87x cards

[08:58:48]

PointyPumper:

to get pal-nc and other norms working

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PointyPumper:

and it seems that bttv driver got some of em wrong

[08:59:04]

PointyPumper:

but

[08:59:12]

PointyPumper:

tot est em i need to build it xD

[08:59:24]

PointyPumper:

is there any way of building the module without building the kernel? :/

[08:59:36]

PointyPumper:

i got a bin image of a kernel, i dont wanna download the source -_-

[08:59:40]

PointyPumper:

*to

[09:00:51]

PointyPumper:

nevermind

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cbx33:

Hey all

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cbx33:

trying to run the init script for the backend...yields this Session management error: Authentication Rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed

[09:14:49]

cbx33:

any clues

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ivor:

jams: yup

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Neeesat25:

Hello

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Neeesat25:

I get very offen 'error was encountered while displaying video' and needs to get out of LiveTV

[10:28:50]

Juski:

morning all

[10:28:59]

Juski:

being back at work sucks :)

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PointyPumper:

xD

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Merlin83b:

Just need to make MythTV a living for you and then you'll be fine, Juski :)

[10:31:41]

Juski:

cbx33: why don't you google that error? and whenever I've seen that error, it's never stopped the system _working_ so maybe it's nothing to worry about ;)

[10:32:35]

Juski:

Merlin83b: nobody's about to retire off the back of money made from mythtv just yet. that's not what opensource is about anyway ;)

[10:32:53]

Juski:

that reminds me.. plenty of mythtv case badgers left :)

[10:33:04]

Merlin83b:

True, but it would stop you hating being back at work :)

[10:33:16]

RaYmAn-Bx:

case badgers! do they live inside your case and come out saying funny sounds sometimes? :)

[10:33:23]

Merlin83b:

OS is what you make it – if you can make money serving the community then good luck to you!

[10:33:30]

Merlin83b:

Heh

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Neeesat25:

Juski do you know why I get that error I have posted?

[10:46:34]

quicksil1er:

sometimes I get that error when my signal is a bit week

[10:47:10]

Neeesat25:

My signal is up to 75%

[10:54:59]

Neeesat25:

After reading some articles it has to get fixed from the developers of Mythtv

[10:56:05]

Neeesat25:

This happens after: This

[10:56:05]

Neeesat25:

can fail if the recorder does not have a signal monitor, if

[10:56:05]

Neeesat25:

the signal is encrypted

[10:58:18]

sanmarcos:

http://usuarios.lycos.es/cgarcia2003/ivtv-channel.py < if you need a script to change channels in ivtv

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Juski:

Neeesat25: that'd be one to put in a mailing list post to let the real experts have a go at it

[11:06:02]

Juski:

might even be a driver issue

[11:06:36]

Juski:

if the developers don't get to hear about it (the mythtv ones) then how would they fix it? ;-)

[11:14:33]

Neeesat25:

How I get it in the mailing list?

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Juski:

subscribe, then post the questions... seems straightforward enough to me

[11:17:06]

Juski:

to maximise the chances of someone even reading it, describe the issue in great detail and give as much information as you can

[11:17:17]

PointyPumper:

got a lil question

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Neeesat25:

OK Sorry I have just subsciped in Mythtv-users

[11:17:25]

PointyPumper:

how can i do a clean up of the db?

[11:17:30]

PointyPumper:

i've erased some .nuvs

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PointyPumper:

(by hand)

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Juski:

PointyPumper: that was silly now wasn't it?

[11:18:14]

Juski:

touch the files so you have a 0 byte file in place of the missing file, then delete it in mythfrontend/mythweb

[11:18:26]

Juski:

and don't mess with the recording directory by hand again

[11:18:48]

Juski:

you delete recordings through the interface mythtv so kindly provides

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PointyPumper:

yea, the 10 gig files scared me xD

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Juski:

do you normally go around a filesystem deleting 'scary' files? :-P

[11:36:18]

Juski:

no OS would like that much, so try not to do it ;)

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PointyPumper:

at least

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PointyPumper:

jajaja

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PointyPumper:

a 10 gb file is scary enough for me to delete it (?)

[11:41:36]

PointyPumper:

:P

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PointyPumper:

now its all tidy n clean

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** PointyPumper is happy **

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PointyPumper:

i could make the bttv work in pal-nc :D

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Juski:

that's the snag with software encoders.. very big files for the kind of quality they offer

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Juski:

another reason Hauppauge pvr cards are better :)

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** Juski should be on commission from Hauppauge **

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PointyPumper:

¬¬

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PointyPumper:

i'll stick to my nice n cheap bt878 xD

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PointyPumper:

cant get Hauppauge cards in here :/

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PointyPumper:

no one sells em

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PaulWay:

Hi all1

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PaulWay:

s/1/!/

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PaulWay:

So, why do the libmyth* libraries require executable stack under Fedora Core (from ATRPMS)?

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PaulWay:

Or, at least the execmod privilege under SELinux.

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omry:

I don't have /dev/lircd for some reason, how do I create it?

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PaulWay:

The lirc daemon will create it for you. You just have to get that working.

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Sebulba02:

you have the module loaded?

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PaulWay:

I say 'just' there...

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Sebulba02:

one of these days I gotta get an ir receiver

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omry:

I have the modules (lirc_dev and lirc_serial)

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omry:

hi Sebulba02

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Sebulba02:

then you might want to listen to PaulWay, that was my only idea :)

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omry:

funny thing is that after I do make install I have /dev/lircd

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Sebulba02:

oh, hey

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Sebulba02:

http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-8.html ?

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cbx33:

Juski: that error is stpping mythtv-backend from functioning

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Kelerion:

afternoon all

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ivor:

is it afternoon already! damn. I've done nothing yet today.

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Kelerion:

I know that feeling.. lol

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Kelerion:

ivor: Juski was saying you were at the linux expo?

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ivor:

Kelerion: I was indeed.

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Kelerion:

Me too.. what you think of it?

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Kelerion:

was the first time I've been to a linux event so obviously I was impressed.. lol

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ivor:

heh. not too bad. surprised redhat decided not to attend.

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ivor:

last year some of those giving talks wandered around to see what the stands were up to, didn't notice anyone this year.

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Kelerion:

I take it you visited the myth stand?

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Juski:

Kelerion: Ivor was who I helped take his stand stuff out of the building while everybody else was sitting around waiting to go to the pub ;)

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ivor:

I was staffing the KDE stall, but yes of course I checked out the myth boys.

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ivor:

I didn't get to go to the pub. :(

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Kelerion:

ahh.. the one that ran over and said "feel like giving us a hand moving stuff"?

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ivor:

:D

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** Kelerion chuckles **

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Kelerion:

nearly had a heartattack when we got back and all my stuff had disappeared.. lol

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** Juski laughs **

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Juski:

it was nice of them to move everything out of harms' way though :)

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Kelerion:

true.. still made me wonder.. lol

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Juski:

bit of a bugger that nobody even looked at that 'equipment removal form' though.. now _that_ I'd have been concerned about

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Kelerion:

well yeah... lol

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imperfect-:

Anyone else have any weirdness recording this last weekend?

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Juski:

imperfect-: nope. I use NTP though, so any time change was just sucked up & ignored

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imperfect-:

Justki: As do I.

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Juski:

no issues to report AFAIK

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imperfect-:

Juski: For whatever reason Dr. Who was recorded on Friday night instead of BSG.

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Kelerion:

nope.. none here either

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imperfect-:

It's worked fine for the last month

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imperfect-:

then suddenyl

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imperfect-:

I get a Dr. Who. ;)

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Juski:

ugh I've been given some 80GB disks to evaluate. 80 gigs?! wtf use are they to anyone.. grr

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Kelerion:

well thats cos myth is intelligent and knows Dr Who is far superior a program to BSG!

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imperfect-:

I wonder if SciFI changed their schedule or something

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Juski:

yeah after a while mythtv boxes develop taste in tv shows

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imperfect-:

Heh

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imperfect-:

;)

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Kelerion:

imperfect: it's a "feature" :P

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imperfect-:

;)

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imperfect-:

Is it possible SciFI changed theirt schedule and MythFillDatabase didn't update it?

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Juski:

whereas $ky Plu$ might just decide there's enough stuff to watch 'live' & that you no longer need to keep all your recordings

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Kelerion:

how often do you run mythfilldb?

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imperfect-:

It's set to automatically do it

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Juski:

imperfect-: MTV are really bad for that

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imperfect-:

So I dunno

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Kelerion:

imperfect: open the program guide and go backwards...see what the epg thinks was on

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imperfect-:

well I'm at work

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Juski:

imperfect-: without having mythtv set to keep old guide data & checking what Kelerion said...

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imperfect-:

I've got mythweb working i'll ssh tunnel to it.. hold on

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Kelerion:

was it scheduled as "Dr Who" or BSG?

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Juski:

most likely to have been an epg data problem rather than a mythtv issue

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imperfect-:

It's scheduled for BSG

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imperfect-:

hold on one sec

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Kelerion:

so it says BSG but is actually Dr. Who?

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Kelerion:

epg issue then

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Kelerion:

beauty of "delete and re-record" function :)

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imperfect-:

I can't go back

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imperfect-:

It will only let me go back until yesterday

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imperfect-:

but looking forward to this friday, it shows battlestar where it should be and it is scheduled to record

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Juski:

that's cos you've not configured it to keep old guide data

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Kelerion:

ahh ok

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imperfect-:

Dr. Who apparently comes on afterward

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Juski:

reminds me that I've not checked I can get into my mythweb from here

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imperfect-:

Juski: Does it need to be configured to keep the old guide data?

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Juski:

yup, I can :)

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Juski:

imperfect-: yes it does

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imperfect-:

Juski: How does that help me?

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imperfect-:

For dupes or something?

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Juski:

it helps by letting you be able to go back & see what you missed ;)

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imperfect-:

heh

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imperfect-:

;)

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Juski:

or in this case, to check what was actually scheduled

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imperfect-:

I.e. it doesn't tell me why Dr. Who is all up in my bidness

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imperfect-:

Well

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imperfect-:

I haven't changed anything and BSG is scheduled for record

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imperfect-:

And it looks right

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fryfrog:

you could do an ls -al on the actual file, see if the access / create time looks like what it should be

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fryfrog:

perhaps use "mythrename.pl --link" to easily figure out which is which

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fryfrog:

Anyone ever seen something like "Oct 25 03:24:01 dumbledore pam_limits[25154]: unknown limit item 'rtprio'" in messages? I'm not sure what it means and google isn't helping a whole lot :/

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Gurft:

rtprio is usually for realtime process scheduling..... I dunno what PAM woudl have to do with it, unless it limits the amount of processing time it allows....

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Gurft:

or it's trying ot be limited

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Gurft:

I would poke around in the pam_limits file

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defaultro:

hi guys

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defaultro:

I've been searching at avsforum and people are talking about adding gamma correction to htpc. What is gamma correction? Can we add it to our linux?

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Juski:

gamma correction is more or less just contrast/brightness adjustment.. i.e. correcting for non-linearity in the display

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Juski:

wiki it

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quicksil1er:

X does built-in gamma correction on certain drivers

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quicksil1er:

whether or not it works in those driver's TV-out mode is anybody's guess though

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defaultro:

ok

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quicksil1er:

you just put a liine like 'Gamma 1.5' in your x conf file

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quicksil1er:

the correct value is essentially a function of your hardware

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quicksil1er:

I have not the faintest idea what the gamma curve is on TVs, and it will vary between CRT, TFT, Plasma

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quicksil1er:

modern expensive TVs will certainly be able to correct just about any conceivable image problem with the hardware controls

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quicksil1er:

but there is something to be said for trying to make myth output consistent with (e.g.) DVD output from another device the user might own.

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defaultro:

ok, I will try that

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defaultro:

what will be the benefit of adding gamma 1.5 to our X

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defaultro:

?

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defaultro:

I see some xorg.conf and the line is gamma 1.0

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Merlin83b:

defaultro: Just try it out :)

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seth|laptop:

ok, I have a question. I was just reading in some forums, that if you have 2 identical tuner cards, that are set up with the same cahnnel line-up, you only need to set up 1 input source for both. Is this true?

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fryfrog:

uh

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fryfrog:

I don't think so?

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fryfrog:

You mean, if you have a PVR500 (2x 150) you only need to bind a line up to Tuner #1?

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fryfrog:

and leave Tuner #2 blank?

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seth|laptop:

well in my case I have 2 air2pc cards, both set up with the same channel lineup, and I was reading in the forums, that I only need to setup 1 iunput

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seth|laptop:

inout even

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seth|laptop:

input

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seth|laptop:

can't type

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seth|laptop:

that doesnt make sense to me, how would it know, to go to the other tuner for recording, or watching something while recording something else

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seth|laptop:

if there was no 2nd input defined

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seth|laptop:

"Why have you got two seperate video source defined in the first place? You don't need to do this unless you've really got two different feeds with two different lineups" to quote the forum exactly

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** seth|laptop is confuzzled **

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** seth|laptop is going to leave his setup alone **

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ivor:

seth|laptop: you define 1 source but assign the same source to each card.

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seth|laptop:

well right now I have "HD Tuner1, and HD Tuner2" "defined" they are identical, and I have themm set to the same channel lineup

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seth|laptop:

this guy seemed to think that I did not need that, that mythtv would no, "if tuner1 is recording use tuner 2" even though only tuner 1 is "defined"

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ivor:

you define each tuner. its just that you assign the same source to each one.

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Juski:

there's a forum where you can go & ask for help with mythtv issues?!

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Juski:

;-)

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seth|laptop:

my setup works, but for whatever reason, they do not tune the same channels, (missing 1 on tuner 2) and according to this, I should 'nt need to "set-up" and "scan for channels" on both cards, just the one

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Juski:

yeah so long as you assign the same video source to both cards

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seth|laptop:

well knoppmyth forums, hehe

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seth|laptop:

hmm, I should maybe try this then.

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Juski:

nobody there said to do that?

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seth|laptop:

not like CBS is that important to me anyways, I think the wife records a show on there, so I personally don't even use it

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jduggan:

hi all, is there anything specific ive got to do to use the line in sound on my pvr150

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jduggan:

im using composite video in and a seperate audio feed from my satelite decoder

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ivor:

don't you end up with duplicate channels in the programme guide if you have multiple sources defined?

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jduggan:

but i hear no audio

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Juski:

jduggan: it should be selected whenever you set it to use composite/svideo (automagically I mean)

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seth|laptop:

no, I only have one set showing up.

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jduggan:

Juski: hmm, i set it to use composite 1, i have the video feed, just no audio

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Juski:

jduggan: check the volume setting, and that the audio is plugged into the right socket

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Juski:

some pvr150 cards use minijack sockets I think

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Juski:

others (like mine) use RCA/phono sockets

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Juski:

also verify you're actyually getting audio out of the set top box

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seth|laptop:

yeah, only one set of channels – http://www.mad-penguin.org/mythtv/weblist.JPG

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seth|laptop:

so I guess I will leave it be :-)

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seth|laptop:

why fix what ain't really broke

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jduggan:

hmm

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fryfrog:

seth|laptop: I have a pair of air2pc cards as well. I used *one* to do the channel scan, weedled it down to the 6 HD channels I get and then bound the results to *both* cards

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jduggan:

how could one play audio feed thats going into line-in of sound card?

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seth|laptop:

fryfrog: maybe I should try that

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ivor:

jduggan: check with alsamixer or something what inputs/outputs are muted

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jduggan:

would the pvrs audio list as a device in alsamixer?

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fryfrog:

no

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seth|laptop:

I noticed something else as well this weekend. I can change to a dish channel, by putting in say "122" for scifi, however, when I try to go back to the HD say "432" 43_2 The Tube Network, it won't go, I actually have to press "Y" to change inputs. I am wondering if this is related to the same issue?

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ivor:

jduggan: no, whatever you have it connected to as an input on your soundcard.

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fryfrog:

seth|laptop: afaik, mine won't cross boundries either way. How do you even *enter* the _?

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seth|laptop:

fryfrog: I don't I can just hit "81" and it goes to 8_1 while watching the hd card, I guess my hd channels don't conflict with the dish channels

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fryfrog:

ah

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seth|laptop:

myth just knows, "431" = 43_1 on hd tuner1 or 2

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fryfrog:

I never watch livetv, its for bishes :)

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seth|laptop:

well I do on occasion

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fryfrog:

bish :)

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seth|laptop:

like in the mornings for the news

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seth|laptop:

gotta get that traffic report ;-)

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jduggan:

ivor: i have it connected to the line-in input on my PVR-150

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jduggan:

but

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fryfrog:

it'd come from /dev/video0 and be part of the mpeg2 stream

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fryfrog:

afaik

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jduggan:

switching back to the console i launced mythtv from i found out why, alsa:default file not found

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jduggan:

so used /dev/dsp for output audio

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fryfrog:

shouldn't it be "ALSA:default"?

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fryfrog:

are you *using* alsa?

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jduggan:

ah ok

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jduggan:

capitals helps

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jduggan:

:)

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ivor:

heh

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jduggan:

it also improves the sound?

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fryfrog:

and the mixer should be set to "default"?

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fryfrog:

jduggan: er, does it?

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jduggan:

well

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fryfrog:

in theory, "/dev/dsp" is fake, going to ALSA anyway

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jduggan:

i thought it sounded tinny before

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jduggan:

maybe it was whatever was on TV

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fryfrog:

probably a mild case of you being *totally* crazy :)

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jduggan:

quite possibly

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jduggan:

so

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jduggan:

anyone have any decent links to configuring mythtv with UK's Sky Digital

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fryfrog:

sukka

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fryfrog:

what possible methods can you use? Does it have firewire output? Component? Svideo?

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jduggan:

well software side i meant

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jduggan:

i have a decent video/audio feed

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jduggan:

from component

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jduggan:

and rca out

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fryfrog:

you mean, how do you get the output *into* your mythbox?

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jduggan:

naah, i mean more along the lines of getting TV guides working and syncing the TV guide with channels on the sky box

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fryfrog:

oh

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fryfrog:

sorry, fark if i know

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jduggan:

ie, choosing to watch simpsons on sky one in the tv guide should send possibly a ir transmission from the IR transmitter

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jduggan:

is this possible?

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jduggan:

to the sky box to swap channels

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jduggan:

ya know what i mean? coz its only actually one channel

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jduggan:

erm, this is assuming the IR transmitter with the PVR150 has support in linux?

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Juski:

jduggan: the pvr150 ir blaster indeed supports $ky boxes AFAIK

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Juski:

and it's supported in linux

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Kelerion:

the 150 comes with an ir blaster??

[15:41:03]

Juski:

some do

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Juski:

depends which one you buy

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Kelerion:

cool

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Kelerion:

my 250 didn't

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Kelerion:

my mce one did on the laptop

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Juski:

yours didn't come with a composite input either ;)

[15:41:41]

Kelerion:

true... told ya but noooooo... you wasn't havin' it.. lol

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Juski:

yours is just ... weird

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Juski:

;)

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Kelerion:

ebay special :P

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Kelerion:

planning on putting my dvb card back in this week and trying it out again... last time I tried it the cpu couldn't keep up with the dvb and 150 recording at the same time...which is *wierd*

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Kelerion:

250

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Merlin83b:

My measly CPU can do two DVB cards at the same time so I'd think you'd be okay, Kelerion.

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Juski:

I had kernel issues yesterday which just mysteriously _vanished_ with my dvb tuners & the 150

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Juski:

I'll try rebooting the box tonight & see if I can repeat it

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Juski:

gonna watch hardwood / paint dry tonight.. torchwood I mean

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Kelerion:

am sure ppl have done a 150/250 and a dvb together on less than a 2800 xp

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Kelerion:

hey..I watched that last night...was a decent on...next weeks looks good though

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Juski:

Kelerion: 800 megalyherts athlon XP... 2x dvb-t & one pvr 150.. coped well

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Merlin83b:

1GHz C3, 2xdvb-t and is fine except for BFSQ :<

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Juski:

and that's based on a via motherboard..

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Juski:

Merlin83b: pity about the constant housekeeping eh

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Kelerion:

exactly

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Kelerion:

the processor should have next to no work to do at all

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Juski:

but the BFSQ is gonna be tamed soon, I heard

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jduggan:

hmm this is weird, i restarted mythtv backend and frontend and the audio is tinny again, but it wasnt like that last time i was watching

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Merlin83b:

Juski: It's the BSFQ that causes it – housekeeping isn't too bad. A weekly run of mythfilldatabase does the trick.

[15:47:17]

Juski:

jduggan: I had that, so I set the recording profile to only use 48khz audio

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Merlin83b:

I look forward to the taming because the constant pauses are irritating.

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jduggan:

ok i'll try that

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Juski:

Merlin83b: can't you just cron it to run when you're not watching?

[15:47:53]

Merlin83b:

It runs after each EIT scan.

[15:47:59]

Merlin83b:

It would be a code hack.

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Merlin83b:

One which I did a while ago and then backed out as something got better.

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Juski:

oh EIT

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Merlin83b:

I may need to investigate putting it back in.

[15:48:22]

Merlin83b:

EIT is teh awesome.

[15:48:26]

Merlin83b:

Except for the BFSQ.

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seth|laptop:

EIT?

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Merlin83b:

DVB program guide.

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Juski:

I need to set up the freeview radio channels so I'm gonna need to instigate EIT on a new video source :)

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seth|laptop:

does that work in the US?

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Merlin83b:

Sorry seth|laptop, no idea.

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Juski:

seth|laptop: for ATSC cards I think so

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Juski:

OTA HDTV :)

[15:49:27]

seth|laptop:

well that is what I have, but Iuse zap2it

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ivor:

Juski: heh, you'll have to add more items to your myth-fix-wishlist when you play with radio sources.

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Juski:

ivor: really?

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Juski:

they just worked last time I tried em

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ivor:

well being able to flip between TV and radio channels would be one

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Juski:

heh. never been bothered about that

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Juski:

I used livetv yesterday but only to verify my tuners worked

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Juski:

all I ever use it for

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Kelerion:

what is bfsq?

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Juski:

big fecking scheduler query

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Kelerion:

duh

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Kelerion:

no wonder google shit itself

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Juski:

and when people say 'big' they mean like 6 pages worth of one mysql query

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Kelerion:

yeah... stuart mentioned that.. lol

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ivor:

sub-optimal

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Juski:

imagine all those guys who we met who have visions of selling mythtv boxes ready built.. what they'd be letting themselves in for.. muhahahaha

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Juski:

especially on embedded hardware ;-)

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Merlin83b:

It's a good idea – Myth is lovely when it works.

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Kelerion:

ahh you had the pleasure of those...didn't get one myself.. lol

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Merlin83b:

Needs a little bit of maturing before it's ready for that, though :)

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ivor:

and if they put the effort in to "commoditize" the package and feed the changes back, good on them.

[15:53:58]

Juski:

met one couple there.. the wife said she loved mythtv when it works, but her husband was always fucking around with it

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ivor:

hahahhaa

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ivor:

hold on... my wife wasnt there... ?

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Kelerion:

sounds like my household.. lol

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Juski:

did you ever figure out what was wrong with one of those demo videos btw?

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Kelerion:

divx codec missing

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Kelerion:

not sure why it froze the pc hard though

[15:55:12]

Juski:

no I mean one of the copies of my video

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Juski:

just wouldnt play right for me at all

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Kelerion:

oh

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Kelerion:

didn't look into it

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Kelerion:

redoing video manager would probably have fixed it

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Juski:

aye maybes

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Juski:

didn't tell you there was a guy who swore blind your system couldn't play the videos smoothly. he was one tough customer

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Kelerion:

looked smooth to me.. lol

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Juski:

tbh though I don't think anyone could've persuaded him otherwise

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Kelerion:

but then again am used to it

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ivor:

there's always a selection of "wacko's" at a show

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Juski:

and there was another guy who said the plasma looked shite. but then we were playing 720x576 mpeg2 from freeview (like maybe 2mbps if you're lucky) on a 42" screen they were inches away from... DUH!

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ivor:

I had three

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ivor:

one of them kept coming back too. :(

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** Kelerion laughs **

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Juski:

like you'd ever be that near a display that big at home.. sheesh

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Juski:

ivor: ack

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Kelerion:

I'm usually 10–15 foot away from that telly

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Juski:

no foot stompers this time though.. "I want I want I want I want..."

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Juski:

ivor: did you read Jono's expo report? Apparently some guy heckled him & asked why KDE is copying Windows

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Kelerion:

didn't see that report

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null_:

Juski: where's that report? ;-)

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ivor:

yeah saw that.! heh. I think I had that guy too actually.

[15:59:57]

ivor:

um.

[15:59:58]

ivor:

ahem.

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ivor:

er.

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Juski:

you saw him you mean ;)

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ivor:

I actually sent him on to the ubuntu stand.

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** Juski sniggers **

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ivor:

[16:00:23]

ivor:

:)

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** Kelerion reads it **

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Juski:

www.jonobacon.org for Jono's expo report

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null_:

thanks

[16:00:49]

Juski:

and mythtvguy.wordpress.com for my bog

[16:00:55]

Juski:

s/bog/bog

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Merlin83b:

I don't want to see your bog.

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Juski:

and no I don't make any money from it, get your head around that, mr capitalist ;)

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Merlin83b:

You don't make money from your bog?

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Juski:

not my web bog, no

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Juski:

why the hell are they called 'blogs' anyway.. it's a crap term IMHO

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** Merlin83b is scared that Juski makes money from his real bog **

[16:02:59]

Merlin83b:

weblog abbreviation.

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Juski:

weblog.. pfft

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Juski:

though I suppose 'online diary' sounds crap in different ways

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fryfrog:

makes you sound like a little girl with her my little ponies

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fryfrog:

which is mostly accurate in your case anyway, right? :)

[16:04:38]

Juski:

I've been rumbled!

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Juski:

anyway.. time to get caught in traffic

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Juski:

laters

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Merlin83b:

Bit late today, Juski.

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jjazz_:

I am trying to playback a DVD. In both xine and vlc, I get audio but the video is replaced by a bright blue screen. No video errors are displayed. Anybody know how to fix that?

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fryfrog:

try something besides smurf pr0n? :)

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jjazz_:

fryfrog: If I had access to smurf pr0n, you think I'd be wasting my time typing here?

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seth|laptop:

wow, off topic, has anyone been using the XGL desktop overlay? pretty sweet videos on youtube

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fryfrog:

hahah

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seth|laptop:

man if I could combine xgl with e17, schweet!!

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D-side:

people still care about enlightenment?

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D-side:

heh

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seth|laptop:

I do :P

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Dagmar:

People still rice up CRX's too

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seth|laptop:

y primary desktop

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fryfrog:

i was about to say, enlightenment is still around? :)

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seth|laptop:

my even

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Dagmar:

If they were serious about it, they'd rice up Yugos

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fryfrog:

i don't remember why, but i moved to fluxbox a *long* time ago :(

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D-side:

seth|laptop: dont misunderstand.. its just been something like 8 years since i used it. :)

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Dagmar:

fryfrog: You wanted your computer to do something productive?

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seth|laptop:

you should try e17 http://www.get-e.org lightweight eyecandy

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fryfrog:

nah, i never do anything productive on computers :)

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Dagmar:

E is like NASA

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Dagmar:

In and of itself, it doesn't do much, but everyone benefits from the base technology they come up with

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fryfrog:

the only people with the space shuttle?

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Dagmar:

NASA comes up with things like Velcro

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Dagmar:

E comes up with things like massive update projects to X so that it can do alpha channeled cursors and such

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seth|laptop:

this is true, I update from cvs like once a week

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mintee:

anyone ever used a macmini as a mythfrontend?

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Led-Hed:

mintee: I believe isaac does

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Juski:

mintee: we heard that question a _lot_ at the LW expo :)

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Kelerion:

there was a mac expo next door...we wanted to borrow one to demo but I doubt they'd have let us :)

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LabMonkey:

anyone mind helping me convince xorg that 1366x768 is a valid resolution for my display?

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Juski:

LabMonkey: more a case of convincing your video driver than anything else AFAIK

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scopeuk:

Kelerion how bout askign if you could have it runnign on their stand

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scopeuk:

its showing their versitility

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Kelerion:

it was in the next building.. lol

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Juski:

scopeuk: because there's already a Mac pvr app

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LabMonkey:

Juski: hmm... nvidia-drivers

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Juski:

LabMonkey: sounds like you need a modeline

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scopeuk:

Juski fair enough

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Juski:

I've seen a demo of the mac pvr app.. looks quite spiffy apart from its limitations

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scopeuk:

seriously bash is easier than mac os

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Kelerion:

actually I like macs... just don't know that much about them

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Juski:

and you can put linux on macs now :)

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scopeuk:

i hate it every time ive ever used a mac ive wanted to throw it out the window

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Kelerion:

yup

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scopeuk:

Juski youve been able to put linux on macs years

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LabMonkey:

Juski: I tried using gtf to get one but xorg still didn't like it

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Juski:

scopeuk: the two-fingered mouse button ;)

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scopeuk:

Juski yes that does my head in for one

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scopeuk:

adn the 2d scroll pimple

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Juski:

LabMonkey: plenty of modelines out there if you look in the right place ;)

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Juski:

LabMonkey: maybe making the video driver ignore EDID is a good place to start too

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Juski:

sometimes displays lie

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Kelerion:

thats what I do with mine

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Kelerion:

otherwise it gets too picky

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LabMonkey:

didn't think of that

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Juski:

not much danger of blowing up a plasma or an LCD (or even a modern CRT) with duff video timing

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LabMonkey:

I'll give it a shot

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LabMonkey:

oh, also

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Juski:

worst that can happen with a digital display is that it won't lock onto the video data

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LabMonkey:

how the HELL do I tell the nvidia driver to disable DPMS

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LabMonkey:

?

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ivor:

option dpms off

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Juski:

LabMonkey: seen that in the nvidia readme

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kormoc:

it's in the nvidia driver readme...

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LabMonkey:

hmm

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Kelerion:

what display is it?

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LabMonkey:

http://www.sceptre.com/Products/LCD/Specifica . . . V-NagaII.htm

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GreyFoxx:

Hmmmm a Mythtv article on slashdot re the commercial detection

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LabMonkey:

no "DPMS" or "dpms" found in Readme.gz

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GreyFoxx:

wonder if this will slow anything down :)

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kormoc:

LabMonkey, did you decompress it first?

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Juski:

btw ivor: I was brave & enabled opengl on minimyth 0.20-something last night. works a treat!

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LabMonkey:

kormoc: I did /DPMS and /dpms in vim

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ivor:

yay!

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kormoc:

LabMonkey, .gz is a gzipped file, compressed

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Juski:

ivor: no idea what was up with it the last time I tried it

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LabMonkey:

kormoc: vim automagically gunzips it

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kormoc:

huh

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LabMonkey:

at least mine does

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Juski:

I used to clean my bath with vim

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ivor:

LabMonkey: in section "monitor": Option "DPMS" "Off"

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Juski:

GreyFoxx: got a linky to the slashdot article?

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jduggan:

what is NVP prebuffering pause?

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Kelerion:

I used to drink Vim..was a blackcurrent drink

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Kelerion:

oh..that was Vimto

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scopeuk:

vimto rocks

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ivor:

nah, Irn Bru

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scopeuk:

vim is a nice high pwoer cleaning powder

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GreyFoxx:

http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/10/30/160249

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scopeuk:

iron bru is made in my home town :-)

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scopeuk:

toured the factorry

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GreyFoxx:

Currently the top article

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janneg:

but no link to mythtv.org

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scopeuk:

took an un inflated pop bottle

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Juski:

hahaha mythpvr.org is down

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Juski:

mythpvr.com even

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GreyFoxx:

took a few minutes for the page to load for me :)

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scopeuk:

Juski such is the wodner ofthe slashdot effect

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Juski:

"Another thing they might try is to look at average loudness. It seems like commercials are pumped up a bit from regular shows".. how little he knows

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scopeuk:

Juski you never been defeaned by adverts?

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ivor:

heh. was that the guy asking in here the other day for explanations of how the commercial detection works?

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scopeuk:

ivor probably

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Juski:

scopeuk: in a properly engineered channel (those were the days), the ads were never _louder_

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scopeuk:

no bu these days

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Juski:

they _sound_ louder because their dynamic range has been compressed

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Juski:

pretty much the case even nowadays actually

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scopeuk:

in which case that could still be detected by an algorythem

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Juski:

ofcom have pretty tight rules about the perceived loudness of ads

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Juski:

scopeuk: yup

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Juski:

but measuring _perceived_ loudness is tricky

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Juski:

made easier by the fact that stuff like mp3 compression exists, where they chuck away what they think you wouldn't be able to hear anyway

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scopeuk:

Juski shurley you whould ru nthe audio through a spectrum analyser of sorts and priorities the frequencies to whihc the human ear is most sensitive

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scopeuk:

or even liek you say pipe it thoruhg lame drop the crap then take the level

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Juski:

scopeuk: maybe just bung a comp/limiter audio plugin into mythtv

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mintee:

Led-Hed, Juski, thanks for the reply about the macmini. I'm just curious if it would be strong enough to play 1080i

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scopeuk:

either way my box will need replacign first

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mintee:

ntm, i think it would be a sexy little pvr

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Juski:

mintee: better do some more asking around

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mintee:

who's issac?

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Juski:

mintee: mythtv's daddy

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scopeuk:

mintee google issac mythtv

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GreyFoxx:

Isaac is the main developer and person who started the project

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mintee:

ah

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GreyFoxx:

Oer maybe I should say Head Developer

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mintee:

he come inb here sometimes?

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mhill:

hi all, is there a mythtv livecd version?

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scopeuk:

mythtv.org seams a little painful atm

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GreyFoxx:

Not this channel no, he's in the dev channel. Rarely in here

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scopeuk:

mhill frontend onyl there is a knoppmythone

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Juski:

mhill: only for a frontend. if you want to record & watch TV you need to install it

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mintee:

scopeuk, whew, thanks, I was thinking I was having DNS issues again

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scopeuk:

and there was an experimental live cd backend that was created by one of the guys in the knoppmyth channel a few months ago but that died as soon as thow bad the idea was became apparent

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Juski:

I'll rephrase that. if you want to record & watch tv with mythtv all in one box you need to install it

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mintee:

GreyFoxx, ah. ok

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scopeuk:

mintee its workign jsut being slow as hell

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Juski:

I hate slashdot

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mhill:

so i can install on a server box with the tunercard in it, and then just use the livecd on another machine and stream to it ?

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fryfrog:

Benevolant Dictator? :)

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Juski:

mhill: that's how it's sposed to work, yes :)

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scopeuk:

mhill yes

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Juski:

mhill: were you at the LW expo last week?

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mhill:

yeah

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** Juski waves **

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mhill:

lol

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Juski:

did you come & see us?

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** scopeuk plans to make one fo these expos eventually **

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mhill:

all the cds had gone by the time i got there

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scopeuk:

mhill www.mysettopbox.tv

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Juski:

ah. you can download em from www.mysettopbox.scopeuk said :)

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scopeuk:

.scoepuk

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scopeuk:

wow when did i get my own tld

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Juski:

next time (eh? what next time?!) we'll have flyers detailing pertinent URLs

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seth|laptop:

good old knoppmyth

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Dagmar:

your'e going to be RICH man

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scopeuk:

Dagmar :-)

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scopeuk:

or should it be :D

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scopeuk:

Dagmar bigger question who whould want a .scopeuk domain

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mhill:

thx

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scopeuk:

theen again scopeuk.co.uk is already taken

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Juski:

I'm gonna have a plug away at knoppmyth on a spare box & see how far I get with it. if it fails, I'll pass feedback to the devs so they can do some ironing out. I'd prolly be using it still if it'd worked the first time for me

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scopeuk:

Juski which revision you going to attack

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Juski:

I'm not too picky about what I run my myth box on as long as it works

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scopeuk:

yeh knopp can be a great tiem saver

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Juski:

scopeuk: the alpha I have here

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scopeuk:

Juski ok

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scopeuk:

gonan say d1 is outdated by several alphas

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seth|laptop:

well here is a hint AMD64 = KM R5C7 = Great AMD64 = R5D1 = Stress

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Juski:

I also think there's a lot knopp can offer in terms of installation wizardy etc – we should get more folks cooperating

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scopeuk:

juski on a fresh system with "standard" componants i think any moderently compotent pc user could install knopp

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Juski:

it'll only help the project long-term, that's my thinking

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scopeuk:

Juski i have to agree

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scopeuk:

2 months compilign with gentoo ;-) or 15 mins isntallign with knopp

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Juski:

because at the moment there are _hundreds_ of disparate, not necessarily useful blog entries & 'armchair expert' guides which aren't necessarily the best way for any given person to use

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Juski:

it's too confusing

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scopeuk:

yeh

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scopeuk:

be nice ifwe could have a definitive mythtv setup guide but there are too many configuration options for it

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Juski:

and with magazine articles like the one I read while I was at the LW expo putting out wrong information, that doesn't help either

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fryfrog:

What we need are little monkies that go around and setup everyone's mythtv!

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phatmonkey:

how can i compile only the frontend? i can't seem to find anythign in configure --help

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fryfrog:

i think its "--frontendonly"?

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Juski:

I spoke to someone about it and they basically just said journalists are lazy people. the only way to guarantee the information is right is to do it yerself

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fryfrog:

but it is probably not worth it

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Juski:

phatmonkey: what fryfrog said

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phatmonkey:

thanks

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Juski:

and ./configure --help should list that option

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scopeuk:

oh yeh Juski if you want to keep liking knoppmyth you might want to stear of the support channel

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phatmonkey:

Juski, it appears not!

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scopeuk:

had to explain to one guy yesterday that althoguh xchat dident list #mythtv-users on quakenet the channel did exist

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phatmonkey:

this is the standard mythtv-0.20 package

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phatmonkey:

Unknown option "--frontendonly".

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GreyFoxx:

phatmonkey: Are you compiling for a platform other than Linux ?

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Juski:

FYI I got that slashdot text up here: http://pastebin.ca/229409

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phatmonkey:

GreyFoxx, nope

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GreyFoxx:

the frontend only option is intended for porting to other platforms . So compiling mythfrontend under freebsd or on amac because the backend wont compile on it

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Juski:

time to make a meal... back later

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phatmonkey:

GreyFoxx, so how can I just compile the frontend on linux?

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GreyFoxx:

Can? Yes, Should? I don't see why. To save 1 meg of space ?

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GreyFoxx:

Anyone using it for anything but porting is basically unsupported

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jduggan:

hi guys, how do i go about configuring my remote properly, some keys work as they should but others dont, hauppauge pvr150 remote 'ok, pause, play' etc work but left/right/up/down in the main menu doesnt someone point me in the right direction to configure the buttons to my specified mouse key equivalents?

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jduggan:

s/mouse key/keyboard key/

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GreyFoxx:

phatmonkey: The only 2 things that you don't get are the 1 meg mythbackend binary, and the mythtv-setup app

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seth|laptop:

jduggan: tweak you ~/.mythtv/lircrc file

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Kelerion:

jduggan: map the entries in /etc/lircd.conf to the ones in .lircrc

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phatmonkey:

GreyFoxx, hokay then

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Kelerion:

but am sure there are plenty of example .lircrc files out there for the 150 remote

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jduggan:

ok, two answers the same.. gotta be a winner :)

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jduggan:

Kelerion: well i used one which i found on google, but its not working :)

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phatmonkey:

GreyFoxx, it seems a bit silly that i'm forced to install stuff that is clearly not needed. thanks for the help anyway

[17:56:38]

Kelerion:

well just make sure the button lines match the ones in lircd.conf

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GreyFoxx:

phatmonkey: It's not clear since at some point the frontend could become a slave backend, or start handing transcode/commercial flagging jobs/etc

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Kelerion:

not forced... just not recommended

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GreyFoxx:

It's saving you pain and annoyance later at a miniscule cost

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Kelerion:

yup

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sanmarcos:

GreyFoxx: can you hear me?

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GreyFoxx:

sanmarcos: I can see you just now asking if I can hear you?

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GreyFoxx:

Trying to /msg ?

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sanmarcos:

GreyFoxx: anyhow, remember that talk we had yesterday about ivtv frequencies and channels

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sanmarcos:

http://usuarios.lycos.es/cgarcia2003/ivtv-channel.py < well there is the script

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sanmarcos:

and I did make an annoucnement on the ivtv lists

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sanmarcos:

dont know if I should on myth, probably not

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Kelerion:

GreyFoxx: the option seems to have been removed from ./configure in fact...so must have been causing issues for people with no real benefit

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jduggan:

in the lircrc config is the 'config' option what the keyboard key is?

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seth|laptop:

yes

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jduggan:

ah

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jduggan:

think i know the problem

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GreyFoxx:

sanmarcos: If you find it useful it can't hurt to mention it, maybe others will too :)

[18:01:05]

jduggan:

the right and left are set to volume up and volume down

[18:01:18]

jduggan:

thats stupid, since it has its own volume keys

[18:01:20]

sanmarcos:

GreyFoxx: it is extremely useful, with that and mplayer + lirc, you can watch tv with mplayer

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Kelerion:

ok...food time... back in a bit :)

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GreyFoxx:

Damn, my schedule to record BSG at anytime on a particular channel is picking up the 1978 versions too

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seth|laptop:

mmm the classics

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GreyFoxx:

The only difference I can see to select on is the original airdate and I don't see anything to let me exclude based on that

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fryfrog:

GreyFoxx: I had that problem once too

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fryfrog:

GreyFoxx: I marked one as "Never Record" then went into the db to see how it ended up.

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GreyFoxx:

Unless I can plug in custom SQL into the search phrase which I've never used for scheduling before

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fryfrog:

GreyFoxx: then I ran a select on everything with an original airdate of 1978 and BSG

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fryfrog:

and marked it as recorded

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fryfrog:

GreyFoxx: this time, I just went through the ~24 shows and clicked "Never Record" :)

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fryfrog:

GreyFoxx: phpmyadmin made it pretty easy though

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GreyFoxx:

The commandline client is easy enough :)

[18:06:52]

GreyFoxx:

hmm wiki is a little slow...wonder if that slashdot article is driving up traffic :)

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** GreyFoxx goes to grab lunch **

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fryfrog:

ah, well if you know the cmd line client it should be a snap!

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jams:

ugh is via drm broken with 2.6.18?

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null_:

anyone other having troubles accessing the mythtv wiki?

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Dagmar:

Forgot it

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Dagmar:

er Forget it

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Dagmar:

Slashdot has an article on the commflagger.

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Dagmar:

Expect everything to be buggered for the next 24–36 hours

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fryfrog:

you could try via coral

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null_:

woah

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jduggan:

where can i find a list of all the lircrc config options

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Dagmar:

Anything sharing hosting with www.mythpvr.com and anything linked from it's toplevel page is dooomed

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null_:

hm ok :-(

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jduggan:

for example my 'tv' button, how would i make mythtv just play live tv with that button? any links/howto's on this?

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jduggan:

rather than have to navigate menus etc

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Dagmar:

Since it's unlikely that your TV button actually sends any signals, approximately zero.

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seth|laptop:

I mapped my TV button to "!" and it jumps right to Live TV

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seth|laptop:

but I have the ATI Remote Wonder

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jduggan:

Dagmar: irw shows TV button as sending TV

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seth|laptop:

for now, soon though Harmony 880, can't wait

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null_:

fryfrog: what is coral?

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fryfrog:

kind of a cache?

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null_:

where can I find it?

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jduggan:

seth|laptop: my mythtv doesnt play live tv if i hit !

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jduggan:

?

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fryfrog:

search google for "coral"

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fryfrog:

i think its like "cdn.com" but i could be wrong

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fryfrog:

I *think* all you need to do is add ".cdn.com:8080" to a url

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null_:

ok

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fryfrog:

but i prolly have the domain / .port wrong

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jduggan:

hmm, do i have to configure shortkeys?

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[Jasper]:

hello, and good evening everyone

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[Jasper]:

can someone tell me what player is used for mythmusic?

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jduggan:

hello

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jduggan:

totem?

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jduggan:

possibly

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jduggan:

maybe its system/ui default?

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jduggan:

mine uses totem i believe

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jduggan:

check your setup

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[Jasper]:

for some reason my sound is playing very quickly

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[Jasper]:

as if it's using oss

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jduggan:

does your system even have oss ?

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[Jasper]:

yup it's installed

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[Jasper]:

I believee

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[Jasper]:

:P

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charlieS:

wow, loading the TV guide in mythweb takes forever. I guess I should trim some channels :)

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fryfrog:

[Jasper]: I had that problem too

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fryfrog:

[Jasper]: turned out my sound card wanted input at 48khz, default for most everything is 44.1khz (or so?)

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fryfrog:

[Jasper]: I just changed my alsa config to *force* everything to resample to 48khz

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[Jasper]:

well

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fryfrog:

at least, I hope that is what my changes did :)

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[Jasper]:

another problem

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WHiTE^^BOX:

hey all

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[Jasper]:

I can't play sound through /dev/asnd

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[Jasper]:

just through /dev/snd

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** kormoc blinks **

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kormoc:

you mean /dev/adsp?

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[Jasper]:

erm yes

[18:21:11]

[Jasper]:

it's still early

[18:21:12]

[Jasper]:

:P

[18:21:18]

fryfrog:

[Jasper]: In mythtv, I set the default device to "ALSA:default" and the mixer to "default"

[18:21:19]

kormoc:

why's that an issue?

[18:21:23]

fryfrog:

i dunno wtf /dev/adsp is

[18:21:24]

WHiTE^^BOX:

just reconfigured lirc

[18:21:41]

kormoc:

it's a analog interface to the soundcard

[18:21:46]

[Jasper]:

well kormoc...I can't even slide the sliders in alsamixer

[18:21:46]

kormoc:

rather then a digital

[18:21:51]

[Jasper]:

except for pcm

[18:22:06]

fryfrog:

do you have some crazy sound card?

[18:22:14]

[Jasper]:

intel hda :(

[18:22:17]

kormoc:

that's more a driver issue imho

[18:22:22]

WHiTE^^BOX:

in configfile.. lircrc .. line like config = Key Up CurrentWindow.. all are working.. except spacebar :/ cant get this working

[18:22:28]

kormoc:

yeah, you won't have a adsp on that card anyway

[18:22:34]

WHiTE^^BOX:

tried: config = Key Spacebar CurrentWindow

[18:22:38]

WHiTE^^BOX:

Space_bar

[18:22:42]

WHiTE^^BOX:

Space-bar

[18:22:45]

WHiTE^^BOX:

Space

[18:22:54]

WHiTE^^BOX:

none of them work :/

[18:23:07]

[Jasper]:

I don't understand why I can't use the sliders on surround or center :(

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jduggan:

WHiTE^^BOX: do you have a reference page to config cmds i can use?

[18:23:18]

fsancho:

hi all

[18:23:22]

WHiTE^^BOX:

hey

[18:23:28]

kormoc:

[Jasper], some channels are just that way, they are on or off (see if you can mute/unmute it)

[18:23:31]

fryfrog:

[Jasper]: typically, those don't work. Use "mute" and "unmute" to achieve their function

[18:23:35]

fsancho:

anybody knows if is there a howto to install mythtv in debian unstable?

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cureless:

fsancho: I was going to write one

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fryfrog:

[Jasper]: they are *normally* to switch the port between say, mic input and rear surround output

[18:23:52]

WHiTE^^BOX:

u cant use the same as me coz of my rc6 control

[18:23:53]

kormoc:

fsancho, google/wiki.mythtv.org

[18:24:04]

jduggan:

is mythtv.org down for anyone?

[18:24:11]

fryfrog:

jduggan: its getting slashdotted

[18:24:14]

cureless:

jduggan: slashdot

[18:24:20]

scopeuk:

jduggan it was crawling a few mins ago

[18:24:20]

fryfrog:

actually, I think its getting digged to

[18:24:24]

scopeuk:

now it seams completly dead

[18:24:27]

jduggan:

jeez

[18:24:41]

jduggan:

slashdotted?

[18:24:47]

scopeuk:

wonder if we could arang ea dos attack on myspace usign digg slashdot hackaday and fark

[18:24:50]

WHiTE^^BOX:

Spacebar? anyone

[18:24:51]

kormoc:

link to from www.slashdot.org

[18:25:03]

[Jasper]:

ok...but kormoc

[18:25:08]

[Jasper]:

oh wait

[18:25:08]

cureless:

WHiTE^^BOX: there is a file with lirc that includes all the possible keys

[18:25:09]

fsancho:

yes, it's completly dead

[18:25:15]

Dagmar:

scopeuk: Don't bother. Just do a little poking at their javascript validator and write a virus to take them out

[18:25:20]

scopeuk:

WHiTE^^BOX this keybaord needs replacing

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[Jasper]:

when I use mplayer normally it samples at 44100 and when I use alsa it samples at 48000

[18:25:34]

WHiTE^^BOX:

need what

[18:25:36]

WHiTE^^BOX:

lol

[18:25:36]

scopeuk:

Dagmar you mean liek the one that makes hte myspace login diapear and dupes inyour own

[18:25:42]

LabMonkey:

damnit

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Dagmar:

scopeuk: That's _one_ example of how someone got around it

[18:25:58]

WHiTE^^BOX:

cureless ill check

[18:26:02]

Dagmar:

They need to just turn off javascript entirely.

[18:26:02]

LabMonkey:

even with the EDID stuff disabled it STILL doesn't like 1360x768

[18:26:04]

scopeuk:

Dagmar i knwo there are thouhsands

[18:26:04]

[Jasper]:

fryfrog

[18:26:07]

[Jasper]:

are you here?

[18:26:13]

fryfrog:

[Jasper]: yes

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[Jasper]:

you had that problem with 44100 48000 too right?

[18:26:32]

Dagmar:

All they're doing with their validator is starting an arms' race they can't possibly win

[18:26:41]

jduggan:

damnit, i need a link to setting up hotkeys in mythtv? and mythtv is down

[18:26:55]

scopeuk:

my net seams somewhat screwd tonight

[18:27:09]

** scopeuk notes to firew up wireshark later and find out which gimp is destroyign my b/w with bit torrent **

[18:27:40]

scopeuk:

yeh were on 714 diggs

[18:27:42]

scopeuk:

explaisn alot

[18:27:45]

scopeuk:

poor little server

[18:27:52]

WHiTE^^BOX:

KP_Space :/

[18:27:54]

scopeuk:

any one know where the trafic graphs are?

[18:28:13]

WHiTE^^BOX:

lol that spacebar.. like someone has it on keypad :/

[18:28:52]

WHiTE^^BOX:

cureless thx.. to tired to figure out there was a keyfile :D

[18:28:57]

scopeuk:

it needs a good wak now andthen

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jduggan:

scopeuk: know where i can read about mythtv hotkeys/shortcuts?

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scopeuk:

jduggan corral cache or google cache of mythtv.org if you can get to it

[18:30:14]

liran1:

i've ripped a dvd and removed the ac3 checkbox though I hear no sound now from the movie. (I'm able to hear sounds from other movies I have other than this dvd)

[18:30:14]

scopeuk:

knoppmythwiki might have something although im nto sure

[18:30:25]

scopeuk:

http://knoppmythwiki.org/

[18:30:33]

WHiTE^^BOX:

mythtv.org/docs

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WHiTE^^BOX:

bb all.. need some rebooting

[18:30:48]

jduggan:

WHiTE^^BOX: that would be nice if i could reach it :)

[18:30:49]

scopeuk:

WHiTE^^BOX .org is creamed atm

[18:30:57]

seth|laptop:

liran1: what are you using for playback, mplayer, internal, xine?

[18:31:14]

liran1:

hmmm, mplayer I believe.

[18:31:15]

WHiTE^^BOX:

mplayer (y)

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seth|laptop:

have you tried setting -aid?

[18:31:37]

liran1:

seth|laptop: I think it was on internal but I changed it to mplayer.

[18:31:45]

liran1:

seth|laptop: no, what does -aid mean?

[18:32:11]

fryfrog:

[Jasper]: yeah, sorry slow response :)

[18:33:56]

Anduin:

liran1: You can also try #

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seth|laptop:

liran1: sorry, I meant -format, -aid adjusts the audio playback language, check the man page here http://tivo-mplayer.sourceforge.net/docs/mplayer-man.html

[18:34:30]

liran1:

seth|laptop: changing the dvd player to internal will solve it?

[18:34:55]

seth|laptop:

are you on .20?

[18:35:38]

liran1:

yep.

[18:35:41]

liran1:

0.20-fixes

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liran1:

Anduin: whats #?

[18:36:49]

Anduin:

liran1: In mplayer it attempts to cycle through available audio tracks

[18:37:08]

liran1:

oh you mean the key # i see.

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seth|laptop:

should, mythtv is smarter than mplayer, but in re-checking the man page adding '-aid <number> does change the way audio is played back in mplayer

[18:37:34]

seth|laptop:

that too :-) "#"

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Anduin:

-aid is fun, but usually requires running mplayer with -v, and seeing which one you want to try

[18:38:14]

seth|laptop:

but I use the Internal player (note the capitol I) and it just works for everything :-)

[18:38:21]

seth|laptop:

right

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Anduin:

-alang it a mixed bag

[18:38:45]

seth|laptop:

dvd, vob, avi, mpeg ........

[18:38:55]

** seth|laptop never had too much luck with -alang **

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liran1:

seth|laptop: I have to say the internal player is awesome but I found it to just hang my system so it isn't as stable as mplayer even though it gives some more functionality

[18:41:40]

seth|laptop:

well then play with -aid perhaps you can come up with the right number value, I wish I could remember what I used, but that was back in the .19 days :-(

[18:42:05]

Anduin:

128 is common, -v will show you the available ones

[18:42:20]

liran1:

what is the difference anyway between ripping with ac3 and without... why does it affect sound in the video

[18:42:43]

Anduin:

liran1: There is no difference unless you then transcode

[18:43:10]

liran1:

Well I didn't transcode I just ripped it as perfect quality without the ac3 and I don't hear any sound

[18:43:44]

Anduin:

liran1: Yeah, that check is only for transcode command building, if you did a perfect rip it does nothing.

[18:44:17]

liran1:

So the problem is elsewhere then...

[18:45:44]

Anduin:

liran1: The problem could be several places, tyring different players or different audio tracks is a good place to start

[18:46:51]

liran1:

Anduin: as I said I do hear sound when playing other vobs which I formerly ripped (with mplayer), changing audio tracks is by the # key, right?

[18:47:09]

Anduin:

liran1: Yes, that is one way

[18:47:20]

liran1:

Anduin: Ok I'll be sure to try that.

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Juski:

just out of curiosity, how does the new gradual file deletion bit in 0.20 work?

[18:59:20]

Kelerion:

the myth site is down?

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** Juski shakes his fist at slashdot **

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Kelerion:

guess the slashdot trashed it

[19:00:03]

Juski:

works here

[19:00:13]

LabMonkey:

woot!

[19:00:21]

LabMonkey:

finally got it

[19:00:33]

Juski:

a good modeline? nice once!

[19:00:33]

LabMonkey:

now I should put this info on teh intarwebs somewhere

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Juski:

LabMonkey: wiki.mythtv.org would be the 1st place I'd put it

[19:01:04]

LabMonkey:

yeah I had to dig through sceptre's ftp site and finally found an INI with proper refresh rates

[19:01:34]

Juski:

don't put the ini file there though – just the worky modeline :)

[19:01:43]

LabMonkey:

so when I added the HorizSync and VertRefresh lines, plus I changed the -Horiz +Vert to +Horiz +Vert and it's all good now

[19:02:19]

Juski:

that's a bloody good thing to know – that you can take an ini file for the display & turn it into a modeline

[19:02:30]

LabMonkey:

oh no no

[19:02:36]

LabMonkey:

gtf gave me a good modeline

[19:02:55]

Juski:

right but you got the vital stats from the ini file though...

[19:02:59]

seth|laptop:

question, being that I use a converter box to go from vga to compnent 480i output, would modelines help my "ever changing" aspect ratios on HD content?

[19:03:11]

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[19:03:12]

LabMonkey:

problem was xorg or nvidia (still not sure which) was trying to auto-detect the refresh and stuff

[19:03:24]

[Jasper]:

hello people, where can I find the basic player setup for mythmusic?

[19:03:28]

Juski:

seth|laptop: depends if the converter box is also a scaler

[19:03:37]

Juski:

LabMonkey: EDID was screwing it up I expect

[19:04:10]

LabMonkey:

well even with EDID disabled it still wasn't detecting stuff right

[19:04:23]

LabMonkey:

and refused to use 1360x768

[19:04:28]

Juski:

without EDID there's not much it _can_ autodetect AFAIK

[19:04:44]

LabMonkey:

I think it was still trying to detect refresh and sync

[19:05:02]

LabMonkey:

all I know is... I entered HorizSync and VertRefresh

[19:05:15]

LabMonkey:

AND I changed to +Horiz in the modeline

[19:05:19]

LabMonkey:

and now it works

[19:05:22]

Juski:

dunno if it can. there are only 2 data lines on the vga cable as far as I know and both are to do with EDID

[19:05:37]

LabMonkey:

dunno if one or both of those fixed it but it's working now

[19:05:38]

Juski:

but yeah anyway... it works :)

[19:05:49]

LabMonkey:

which is enough for me hehe

[19:06:34]

Juski:

I think I'll crack on & upgrade minimyth at some point tonight... or maybe mess with projectgrayhem some more

[19:06:36]

[Jasper]:

can anyone tell me what player is used for mythmusic?

[19:06:45]

Juski:

[Jasper]: mythmusic

[19:06:56]

LabMonkey:

iTunes!

[19:07:16]

[Jasper]:

hmm juski...how can I set mythmusic player to use a sampling rate of 48000 ?

[19:07:17]

LabMonkey:

now if the pixelfixer movie thing will unstick this one pixel

[19:07:29]

LabMonkey:

I'll be happy as one day could make me

[19:07:36]

LabMonkey:

this is gonna be a good week

[19:07:38]

LabMonkey:

I can feel it

[19:07:52]

Juski:

[Jasper]: it uses whatever the samplerate of the music file is

[19:08:14]

Juski:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/MythMusic#Using_MythMusic

[19:08:15]

LabMonkey:

yesterday I was playing EverQuest with some friends and finally got this belt I've been wanting/trying to get for months

[19:08:24]

LabMonkey:

today I get the tv running at max res

[19:08:56]

LabMonkey:

now if I can just dress up my resume and get this admin job I'll be flyin high!

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Juski:

it's always puzzled me how 'resume' doesn't have an accented 'e' yet you still pronounce the last bit 'ay' :-P

[19:11:17]

seth|laptop:

well, if there as a such thing as a reversed one of these "`"

[19:11:45]

LabMonkey:

uhh

[19:11:56]

scopeuk:

LabMonkey gl

[19:12:05]

** scopeuk right now whould settle for soem good company **

[19:12:25]

LabMonkey:

resumé

[19:12:30]

scopeuk:

yay

[19:12:33]

Juski:

now if only everybody used utf-8 characters in IRC... I'd not be able to read the text :-P

[19:13:35]

LabMonkey:

had to extract it from Character Map hehe

[19:13:42]

LabMonkey:

(on a windows box atm)

[19:13:49]

LabMonkey:

uhh

[19:14:04]

LabMonkey:

anyone had much success with unsticking stuck pixels on LCDs?

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Juski:

LabMonkey: only by replacing panels

[19:14:44]

** scopeuk wodners wh the university lets me hid e my user naem on their intranet site for comunications but any mongol with 1/2 an ounce of brainpower can look it up in 30s **

[19:14:45]

Juski:

the pixels get stuck because a transistor dies

[19:15:26]

LabMonkey:

then why do people report that rapid color changing and/or "massaging" the screen fixes it sometimes?

[19:15:32]

scopeuk:

and when your using tftransistors you cant jsut take a sofdering iron to em

[19:15:41]

scopeuk:

LabMonkey crap transistors

[19:16:01]

LabMonkey:

ahh

[19:16:07]

** seth|laptop has a nice dell FP that has a little smudge on it :-( **

[19:16:20]

** scopeuk hugs his 0 dead pixel hp **

[19:16:55]

LabMonkey:

so sometimes cheap transistors will get stuck and rapid activity on neighboring pixels can influence it?

[19:17:04]

** seth|laptop has 2 21" Sun monitors, but they weigh as much as a small car **

[19:17:06]

LabMonkey:

magnetic fields or something

[19:17:07]

LabMonkey:

?

[19:17:20]

LabMonkey:

well

[19:17:29]

seth|laptop:

excellent picture though

[19:17:33]

LabMonkey:

even if this one blue pixel stays stuck... I'm content

[19:17:51]

LabMonkey:

~$825US for a 32" widescreen

[19:18:14]

LabMonkey:

8ms so no ghosting

[19:18:28]

LabMonkey:

and it has a ton of inputs

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Juski:

bugger. I still need to set up Samba

[19:19:19]

Juski:

ooo oh no I don't

[19:19:21]

Juski:

heh

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[Jasper]:

juski do you still have those s-video > cat5 schemes somewhere?

[19:21:05]

seth|laptop:

now there is a cool idea

[19:21:17]

seth|laptop:

cat5 to svideo

[19:23:34]

Juski:

[Jasper]: I never did get round do that

[19:24:00]

Juski:

seth|laptop: yeah to get my cable box outputs upstairs I go from svideo & stereo audio to cat5 then cat5 the other way :)

[19:24:34]

Juski:

bit of analogue active circuitry in the way to convert signals to balanced (differential) & back – all over dirt cheap cat5 :)

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Juski:

I thought about making em & selling em cheap but someone already beat me to it

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jduggan:

hmm, i pass my sky digital to my video card via composite but the color is not so strong its slightly dull, is there any way to fix this?

[19:26:14]

seth|laptop:

Juski: thats what I need, my pvr 150 card is 60 feet away from my dish network receiver, so i am forced to use coax, and the picture is the sux0rz

[19:26:35]

scopeuk:

seth|laptop no chance of putting the box/antoher boxcloser?

[19:26:53]

seth|laptop:

scopeuk: not without runnning all new dish to receiver wires

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scopeuk:

ok

[19:27:22]

Juski:

seth|laptop: you can buy passive baluns which might suck less than the coax.. and they're not expensive

[19:27:56]

Juski:

you'll at least be able to use svideo and get stereo audio then too

[19:28:07]

seth|laptop:

previously it was in the HD frontend, but I purchased a 2nd HD card, and the noard in that box only has 2 pci slots. :-(

[19:28:23]

Juski:

seth|laptop: wrong motherboard syndrome ;-)

[19:28:32]

seth|laptop:

Juski: not sure what a passive baluns is

[19:28:50]

Juski:

you got one of them thar ricer motherboards that has 10 16x pci-e sockets didn't ya? :-P

[19:29:06]

seth|laptop:

well it has 2 :-P

[19:29:28]

seth|laptop:

hey I got the board and the amd64 3200+ chip on ebay for $80, I thought it was a good deal, hehe

[19:29:43]

Juski:

seth|laptop: a passive balun is basically a box that converts an unbalanced signal (i.e. svideo) to a balanced one.. and back atthe other side.. hence bal-un ;-)

[19:29:45]

scopeuk:

Juski where can i get me one of those?

[19:30:11]

scopeuk:

the ricer board ntothe balun

[19:30:15]

seth|laptop:

sounds like something we used to sell at radio shack

[19:30:16]

Juski:

scopeuk: heh

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Juski:

seth|laptop: prolly

[19:30:51]

Juski:

not perfect but def. better than any shitty wireless video sender

[19:31:32]

Juski:

infact you _might_ even get away with just using an old ethernet transformer.. might try that sometime

[19:31:32]

** seth|laptop wonders how far an svideo signal would travel down a cable **

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Juski:

seth|laptop: 60 feet should be no problem for regular svideo cable, sheesh

[19:32:05]

scopeuk:

ive seen logner vga runs

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Juski:

same for audio but be careful how you route it

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jduggan:

i have fairly decent svideo cable, and over 10metres its really poor quality

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Juski:

i.e. don't route it next to power cables

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jduggan:

not sure why

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Juski:

jduggan: means you got 'expensive' not 'decent' ;-)

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scopeuk:

jdugganwhats drving it?

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seth|laptop:

well 10 meteres would leave me 30ft shy, hehe

[19:33:10]

seth|laptop:

might be cheaper to run 2 coax cables for the dish, and move the receiver

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jduggan:

scopeuk: scart adaptor out of a digital satellite decoder

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Juski:

you can get a line-driving amp that'll get you more cable length

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scopeuk:

jduggan hows itlook though a shorter cable

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jduggan:

scopeuk: only other short cable i have is a composite cable, which is like .5meters long.. going out of the same scart adaptor its almost perfect

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jduggan:

only the color is slightly duller than usual (stb->tv via scart)

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jduggan:

i cant get tv guides working

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[Jasper]:

my soundcard can only play 48000 hz...while my music files are 44100 hz

[19:38:13]

[Jasper]:

and the mythmusic doesn't automatically resample I guess

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Juski:

[Jasper]: alsa should handle any resampling

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Juski:

dunno how, but it does on my minimyth frontend

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[Jasper]:

ok juski so mythmusic uses alsa...which should resample it

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[Jasper]:

correct?

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[Jasper]:

or should I setup mythmusic somewhere to use alsa?

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** scopeuk writes the first program hes ever done that solve a problem he actaulyl has **

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Juski:

[Jasper]: if mythtv is set up to use alsa just leave mythmusic at the 'default' which will use the same setting

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[Jasper]:

ok

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jduggan:

Juski: do you know how i can set hotkeys in mythtv? IE set f12 to play dvd, f11 to open video browser f11 music, f10 play live tv etc?

[19:45:07]

jduggan:

without having to navigate menus

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Juski:

jduggan: set jump points in mythcontrols or with mythweb

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scopeuk:

somethign has been estabilshed today i should never have been shown wget or taught java

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[Jasper]:

juski having mythtv setup as using /dev/dsp means it uses oss ?

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seth|laptop:

jduggan: this is easier to do with mythweb, setting the jump points that is.

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jduggan:

[Jasper]: or oss emulation

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jduggan:

mythweb is to control via webbrowser?

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seth|laptop:

well, kind of, not so much to control mythtv, as to schedule recordings and customize settings

[19:48:33]

Juski:

mythweb is mythtv's web interface, yes

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jduggan:

ah

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jduggan:

well i dont wish to install webservers or anything on this box

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[Jasper]:

juski I can only select /dev/dsp or /dev/adsp as audio devices in mythtv

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[Jasper]:

shouldn't I be able to select a alsa device there?

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fryfrog:

no

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fryfrog:

just type in "default"

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[Jasper]:

is default alsa?

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fryfrog:

yes

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fryfrog:

well, for the mixer

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[Jasper]:

shouldn't I be able to select /dev/snd ?

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[Jasper]:

as output device

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fryfrog:

i dunno, sorry. I always use "ALSA:default" and "default" for audio device and mixer respectivly. Neither are offered as choices in the cycle list. I don't even have OSS emulation enabled in ALSA.

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Juski:

so.. do I now have shiny, glassy looking select bars in my theme?.. hmmmm

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Juski:

has anyone seen the new theme called leafers-wide? if so, what do you think of it? anyone using it?

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xzcvczx-bday:

Juski: url?

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ivor:

xzcvczx-bday: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/ . . . 79?page=last

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[Jasper]:

juski what do you have as audio device in mythtv?

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Juski:

xzcvczx-bday: http://cscl.alasu.edu/MYTHTV/Leafers-wide-screenshot.jpg

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Juski:

[Jasper]: no idea. never have to change anything in minimyth, pretty much

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[Jasper]:

but can you take a look what it says?

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[Jasper]:

in your setup

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Juski:

no. my wife's watching it

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[Jasper]:

oh k

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[Jasper]:

anyone else here?

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xzcvczx-bday:

Juski: hmm must say dont think i'd use it..... too colourful

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[Jasper]:

who can take a look ...someone who is postively using alsa

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ssstormy:

hello, I have a problem with compression... When I record, i always get the same video rate, don't know what it is but it results in about 4GB per hour

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ssstormy:

doesnt matter what I set the Software Encoder (v4l) profiles to

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ssstormy:

I always get the same output

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ssstormy:

and I knwo my stuff isn't broken because I can later transcode the video and get appropriate output size

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Juski:

ALSA:default

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jjazz:

I am trying to playback a DVD. In both xine and vlc, I get audio but the video is replaced by a bright blue screen. No video errors are displayed. Anybody know how to fix that?

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Juski:

who needs the frontend to be on when you can do select value,data from settings where hostname like "minimyth%" and data like "%alsa%";

[20:00:57]

Juski:

?

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fryfrog:

ssstormy: HD?

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ssstormy:

fryfrog, no it's just a plain old coaxil AverTV card

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stuarta:

evening all

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fryfrog:

krikey, you get 4G files from SD?

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[Jasper]:

hello stuarta

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[Jasper]:

good you're here :P

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Juski:

haha I was just about to say when you need mysql-fu, the man you want to speak to is.. then he walked in here. hiya stuarta :)

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stuarta:

hiya fooey...

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[Jasper]:

stuarta are you using alsa for myth?

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ivor:

does anyone use anything else??

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stuarta:

/dev/dsp i believe

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[Jasper]:

that's oss isn't it?

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stuarta:

though using the alsa drivers underneath. lemme check.

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Juski:

[Jasper]: did you miss me saying ALSA:default? that's what I'm using, and my digital amp copes just fine when I play 44.1khz audio (the amp only works with 48khz allegedly)

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[Jasper]:

Juski sorry didn't see that

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[Jasper]:

but is that a selectable option on your system?

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fryfrog:

no, it isn't

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fryfrog:

it hasn't ever been selectable

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[Jasper]:

ok, gonna try it

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[Jasper]:

brb

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** stuarta is having trouble finding that configuration item, it's been too long **

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ssstormy:

wait... what would mythtv do if my system was under load while it was recordning?

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jduggan:

can i run a command everytime i chose to 'watch live tv'? every time i watch tv i have to use ivtvctl to fix my audio problems

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stuarta:

i'm definitely using dev dsp

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fryfrog:

ssstormy: depends, prolly introduce stutters or gaps in the recording

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fryfrog:

ssstormy: when I get "IOBOUND" erros, i usually get a minisecond or more of gap

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Juski:

jduggan: make an 'external channel change command' to do it, then set the video source in mythtv-setup to use the script that does your ivtvctl magic

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Juski:

jduggan: either that or bug the ivtv guys

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czth__:

my xmame sound is choppy (running under MythGame, so peripherally on topic I hope); using ALSA, but OSS is the same. anyone seen and know any fixes? tried STFW and didn't find anything that worked.

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ssstormy:

what would happen if my card actaully encoded to MPEG2 onboard?

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Gurft:

Has anyone done a complete rebuild on the same hardware, but on a different disk? That way you could still use your existing system while you rebuilt onto your new one?

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Juski:

ssstormy: you'd have much lower CPU usage

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ssstormy:

would mythtv skip the encoders?

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** Juski preferred the expo questions much, much more **

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Gurft:

jduggan: I put ivtvctl -q 1 in my channel changing script

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Gurft:

so everytime it changes the channel, it fixes my audio

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Gurft:

althought it still isn't "perfect"

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fryfrog:

ssstormy: chances are you'd not have any problems cause it doesn't use any cpu time

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[Jasper]:

that solved it fryfrog Juski

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fryfrog:

ssstormy: in *thory* if you are doing something tghat blocks hd writing for enough time to fill up buffers , you might end up with issues

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Gurft:

I'm cuirous as to how I would migrate all my existing recorded shows onto the "new" installation from the existing. Shoudl I use mytharchive to just archive them all off?

[20:09:45]

fryfrog:

ssstormy: but in practice, SD mpeg2 is so wimpy that i't d be hard to do it

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czth__:

Gurft: copy the database and the files in the video store?

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ssstormy:

no it's not that my system crashes or I get jittery video

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czth__:

i have a PVR-150 (has mpeg2 encoder) and i've never seen my CPU go above about 2% when encoding.

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ssstormy:

it just ISN"T COMPRESSED...

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fryfrog:

ssstormy: I used to record 4x mpeg2 streams from 4x PVR250's over NFS with no problem, server load didn't make much of a difference

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ssstormy:

I thought maybe mythtv was skipping encoding since I usually have something compiling

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fryfrog:

Gurft: copy the entire db over perhaps?

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fryfrog:

Gurft: or just the parts responsible for recorfdings

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Juski:

so anyway stuarta.. how's things? recovered from t'expo?

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LabMonkey:

ok

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LabMonkey:

another problem

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stuarta:

Juski: yup. just started the new job today

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Juski:

how was it, for a first day?

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jduggan:

Gurft: are you in the UK?

[20:13:03]

Gurft:

No, in the US.

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jduggan:

ah right

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jduggan:

i dont have any channel changing scripts

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stuarta:

Juski: not too bad, summarised by usual H&S crap, just downloading and installing FC6

[20:13:32]

LabMonkey:

if I set mythtv to have the volume control Master then my volume control works

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stuarta:

s/just/and

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Gurft:

Ah... hrm... Well you could toss together a cron job to run ivtvctl -q 1 every 30 minutes...

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LabMonkey:

but if I set it to PCM it doesn't change the volume

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LabMonkey:

however... xine controls PCM

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Gurft:

that shoudl cover you for basically the beginning of every show, unless you boys in the UK have shows that start on the quarter hour...

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jduggan:

Gurft: we do

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jduggan:

plus

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jduggan:

im continually swapping between live tv

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jduggan:

and menus

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jduggan:

while im setting up

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stuarta:

Juski: friday however was a bitch, new mdadm played havoc with my root raid, so spent hours fixing it.

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Gurft:

gotcha. I've heard of some folks actually have the cron job run every second.... too me though, that's a little bit overkill.

[20:14:50]

Gurft:

since ivtvctl -q doesn't cause any type of pause in audio....

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Juski:

stuarta: ouch. I've gone up to 0.20 at long last. and gentoo is in the bin too

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GreyFoxx:

What are you running now ?

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Juski:

umbongo

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GreyFoxx:

ahh

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Juski:

build 0.20-fixes from source though.. I'm not daft

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GreyFoxx:

heh

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ssstormy:

Gurft, wait what's it do?

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Juski:

hmm these blue glassy bars are no use with grey or white text behind em

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GreyFoxx:

Heh I watched your lw promo video. what did you use to string it together ??

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Juski:

GreyFoxx: Sony Vegas. cost me Â£Â£

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GreyFoxx:

ahhh

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alan|home:

hi all

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ssstormy:

oh and also I've been wanting to ask, is there a way to control volume during playback?

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Juski:

but show me an OSS app that can do that, & I'll ditch my windows desktop ;)

[20:18:29]

alan|home:

is anyone aware of a mythtv frontend for psp or anything like that ?

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Juski:

ssstormy: [ and ]

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Juski:

alan|home: nope

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ssstormy:

oh ok cool!

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Juski:

there's a kind of frontend thing for xbox media center (sic)

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Juski:

for 1st gen. xbox.. and erm.. that's it as far as consoles go

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alan|home:

Juski: too bad. I can stream any video to my psp through vlc... but my god ! mythtv rocks !!

[20:19:54]

Juski:

alan|home: one word then.. mythstreamtv

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alan|home:

haa ?

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alan|home:

let's google around

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Juski:

mythstreamtv is a mythweb addon which streams recordings with vlc

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alan|home:

mmm... sounds gooood

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Gurft:

ssstormy: ivtvctl -q 1 resets the audio input to "input 1" it will fix any hiss or scratchy audio.

[20:21:21]

Juski:

though it'd be simple enough in theory to get a python app to talk to the myth database, get a list of recordings then kick off a vlc stream of the corresponding file

[20:21:32]

Juski:

if there's such a thing for the psp I dunno...

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Gurft:

alan|home, I found a few scripts that use ffmpeg to convert my mythtv recordings to PSP video, then I plug my PSP in and run a script to copy them to the memory card.

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Gurft:

I finally broke down last night and started running a window manager behind mythtv.

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Gurft:

ANyone have any idea why mysql is using 84% of the CPU on my system?

[20:23:47]

mintee:

maybe it's busy

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** mintee runs **

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Gurft:

LOL ;)

[20:24:13]

mintee:

is it doing a mythfilldatabase or anything?

[20:24:26]

Gurft:

Nope, only the frontend is running

[20:24:26]

mintee:

maybe a scheduled clean up of sorts?

[20:24:33]

Gurft:

at 3:24 in the afternoon?

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mintee:

*shrug

[20:24:53]

Gurft:

is there a way to see what queries are currently runnign in mysql

[20:25:20]

mintee:

i'm not sure... ask #mysql , they are very nice people

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Juski:

so yeah GreyFoxx I'm available for weddings, corporate, band videos.... ;-)

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alan|home:

Gurft: the idea is to watch live tv on the psp. but thanks anyway

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GreyFoxx:

heh

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Gurft:

alan|home, yea, that's a littttttle more difficult

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Juski:

maybe I should start putting a showreel together

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alan|home:

Gurft: vlc does it ^^

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mintee:

vlc does what?

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alan|home:

streaming video to psp

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Juski:

alan|home: livetv in mythtv is a leeedle beet more complex than what vlc does

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alan|home:

i know

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alan|home:

that is why i may try mythstreamtv

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Juski:

but if you take a look at what the xbmcmythtv code uses it'll give you lots of helpful hints

[20:29:02]

mintee:

so why can't you tell vlc to stream the myth mpgs to your psp?

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alan|home:

but i'm not sure my system will be powerfull enough to handle that

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Juski:

mythstreamtv is only good for existing (i.e. not livetv) recordings

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Juski:

ooo that's better

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alan|home:

mintee scores one

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mintee:

did anyone go see saw iii ?

[20:31:34]

Gurft:

mintee: thanks for the tip, #mysql guys pointed me to 'mtop' which will show you currently runnign queries.

[20:31:43]

Gurft:

I had a delete running on the 'programs' table for over 1500 minutes.

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mintee:

mtop? a seperate application?

[20:31:57]

Gurft:

Yea

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Gurft:

http://mtop.sourceforge.net/mtop.html

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mintee:

cool, no prob, glad i could help

[20:32:13]

mintee:

+2 for me :D

[20:32:18]

mintee:

Sooooooooooo, did anyone go see saw iii ?

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Gurft:

One of those things I"ll keep around for my myth box

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Gurft:

When it's not doing anythign, how much CPU shoudl the frontend be taking up?

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mintee:

0

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Gurft:

Great, mine uses 21% CPU.... I KNEW something was not right with this box.

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mintee:

does top say it's mythfrontend?

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Gurft:

yea

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Gurft:

ahh, false alarm, it had a preview video running.

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Juski:

oh yeah! I likes the new blue shiny shiny selectbars!

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Juski:

pg2.0 hasn't been out a week & I'll be shoving 2.1 out this week :)

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mintee:

Juski: screenshot?

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jams:

yeah we need screenshots!

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stuarta:

search the archives

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jams:

btw Juski your comments on leaf were dead on

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Juski:

thanks jams

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Juski:

I tried not to put the guy off though.. but I dont think I've made him tame it any

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jams:

glad to see more themes, but that thing is way to bright

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Juski:

garish would be the word I'd use, not bright ;)

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Juski:

I'll put a couple of shots of the new bars up when I've copied the tvplayback ones over

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jams:

interested to see what other themes he has

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jams:

but I got permissioned denied when downloading them

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Juski:

I realised a while ago there's a good reason so many TV UI styles are blue

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jams:

yep

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Juski:

it's a neutral colour

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Juski:

and it looks good on just about anything

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jams:

i need to darken up my green version a bit

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Juski:

still thinking about the xmas theme idea I hada while ago though

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scopeuk:

juski only 6/7 weeks to enact it

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jams:

heh

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Juski:

can someone code up some opengl snowflakes? :-P

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jduggan:

what do i need in my lircd.conf to make the pvr150 blaster work?

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scopeuk:

[IMG]http://img61.imageshack.us/img61/1074/uatt5.gif[/IMG]

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scopeuk:

http://uguu.org/downloads.html

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jams:

you could use a transparent background and run xsnow =)

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scopeuk:

http://uguu.org/arc_sugar.html

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Juski:

jams: heh. minimyth doesn't have xsnow though :-|

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** Juski zaps the themecache yet again **

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jams:

what kernel does minitmyth run? 2.6.18 is killing me on this via with xvmc

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Juski:

jams: erm... tell you when minimyth is next up

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jams:

k

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jams:

don't know why i'm messing with this thing. It's been nothing but a pita from day one.

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Juski:

I'm not using the latest one yet.. just something I had lying around on the ubuntu HDD I swapped into the backend yesterday

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Juski:

.. or am I? hrm...

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stuarta:

hehe

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jams:

only got it out to see if my installer worked on it. Somehow that progressed to getting xvmc working

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scopeuk:

isent that alwasy the way

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fuffalo-:

i've got windows MCE setup on an older system (it's probably around ~1 ghz, 512mb ram, gforce 5200, pvr-150) and it often skips, i can't watch things while using the guide orelse it sometimes takes ~3–5 seconds to hit "up" things like that. Is that because my system is too weak to be a pvr, or because windowsMCE is a piece of garbage?

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Juski:

jams: 2.6.17.13 is the latest minimyth (0.20–19)

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jams:

k

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jams:

thanks

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Juski:

fuffalo-: you know what I'm gonna say... it's a PoS, blatantly

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Gurft:

Fuffalo-: I don't really know what the MCE requirements are, but I used to have pretty much the same setup (more RAM) though, and I never had skipping problems.

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Gurft:

using mythtv that is.

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Juski:

MCE, that is

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Gurft:

I got very frustrated with Myth at .18, and was going to build an MCE box. But the hardware was more than my budget could afford.

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Juski:

I can't remember how many times we heard people say at the expo their MCE systems blew chunks, but it was a fair few

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** jams goes hunting for a working via xorg.conf file **

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alan|home:

fuffalo-: my system is less than yours, and i have no problem using linux as an OS

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Juski:

MCE on 512MB RAM & 1Ghz cpu... eew

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fuffalo-:

i was going to setup mythtv originally, but the irblaster i got with my pvr-150 isn't supported in lirc, so i went with mce – i'm now thinking of building/buying one so i can use myth

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Juski:

infact XP on 512MB RAM & 1Ghz CPU.. eew

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scopeuk:

ive done it on alot less

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fuffalo-:

i also get a lot of cases where my media center program will just randomly quit and i have to restart it, or the audio will become out of sync

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scopeuk:

lowest ive been with xp was 128 megs of ram in a p2 350

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fuffalo-:

ok, one more question, i've got some sata 200gig hard drives, but my motherboard doesn't have sata. Can I go with a super cheap sata controller card? Or am i running the risk of my hard drive blowing up? :P

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scopeuk:

its probabyl as cheep to get a mobo with sata

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scopeuk:

know it is if i want sata 2

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fuffalo-:

ya, but then i probably need to get a new cpu

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scopeuk:

what you on?

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fuffalo-:

i don't even remember.. i know it's amd and not s939 tho

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Juski:

fuffalo-: plenty folks using pvr cards on systems as low as 1ghz cpu in linux, so I'd say ask for the money back from Microsoft & go with mythtv ;-)

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Gurft:

Yea, just remember that you get what you pay for.... I went cheap on hardware intitially and had HUGE headaches, finally replaced with good hardware and 90% of my lockup and quality issues disappeared.

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scopeuk:

fuffalo- so likely socket a

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fuffalo-:

Out of curiosity, without an irblaster, you can't really set your pvr to record things in advanced right? because it wouldn't beable to change channels for you?

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fuffalo-:

scopeuk, i would guess so yes

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scopeuk:

fuffalo- only if you use a cable/satalite box

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fuffalo-:

i do :(

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scopeuk:

in which case you rearly should build/buy one

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fuffalo-:

oh while i'm no nthat subject, it takes a good ~3–5 seconds for my box to change channels, is that normal (when using an IR blaster)

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alan|home:

fuffalo-: does it take the same time using thje keyboard ?

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fuffalo-:

alan, i've never tried (this is windows MCE, not myth)

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D-side:

mindboggling.

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alan|home:

fuffalo-: sorry, i don't know what windows MCE is

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Juski:

hokees... some small centring issues but they're easily sorted

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alan|home:

media center ?

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Juski:

screenshots are up: http://www.mythtvtalk.com/ProjectGrayhem/images/screenshots/

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** Juski is off to watch episode 3 of 'Torchwood' **

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D-side:

wtf

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D-side:

what IS that show

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** stuarta thinks that's a good idea. **

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GreyFoxx:

A DrWho spinoff

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D-side:

you're the 7th person today to talk about it. imdb here i come

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alan|home:

arf... i whish i could have my xmltv channel guide working !!

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GreyFoxx:

has Captain Jack KHarkness in it :)

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alan|home:

i won't manage to configure it...

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GreyFoxx:

the first 2 were not too bad :)

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RaYmAn-Bx:

3 is quite nice as well

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D-side:

it doesn't sound bad.

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D-side:

looks like its something unavailable to me via direct channels.

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robbins876:

I'm trying to setup a remote frontend, i think i've got it all set up correctly, according to wilsons guide, anyway, but I can't get the frontend to pull live tv from my backend, nor will it play videos from my library on the backend.

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robbins876:

any tips?

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stuarta:

do you see the preview video?

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robbins876:

let me check

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robbins876:

nope, no preview video.. and when i click to watch the recording it says... "the file for this recording can not be found"

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stuarta:

cesman: greeting. good to see you back from the expo :)

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hot_wheelz:

hi guys I am trying to setup MythTV but it comes with an error (error processing mythtv-database exit status 1)

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stuarta:

robbins876: recheck you have ip addresses and not names for the backend & mysql servers.

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robbins876:

on the frontend, or here on the backend?

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stuarta:

frontend.

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robbins876:

it's pulling all the data, liek the shows that are recorded, and the movies that are on the backend, so i assume the mysql portion is setup correctly

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hot_wheelz:

any ideas?

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stuarta:

hot_wheelz: more information...

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robbins876:

stuarta, do I need to setup NFS shares, or anything?

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stuarta:

no, it should stream just fine over the myth protocol...

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robbins876:

verified IP's and still getting nothing

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stuarta:

run the frontend with some logging and see if it sheds any light on the situation.

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stuarta:

also, verify you don't have a firewall blocking things

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stuarta:

since fc has a default firewall...

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robbins876:

i've got the firewall on both machines turned off, i just checked that, actually

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robbins876:

in the mythtv-setup where it asks where to store the files... did i need to specify that the fiels are stored on the backend?

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Dagmar:

You'll have fun trying to get it to store files on the frontend, let's put it that way

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stuarta:

it's get's the information about which backend to talk to from the metadata in the DB

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jduggan:

any brits here?

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stuarta:

might be, might not be.

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scopeuk:

jduggan yes

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** stuarta doesn't qualify **

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scopeuk:

i think i do

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scopeuk:

im resident in the uk and have been all my life

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stuarta:

i've only been here 6 or 7 years....

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scopeuk:

bout 1/3rd the time i have

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robbins876:

here's a pastebine of me trying to run livetv then a recording... http://pastebin.ca/22

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robbins876:

oops

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jduggan:

scopeuk: not using sky digital though?

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robbins876:

http://pastebin.ca/229710

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Juski:

so, any thoughts on the screenshots I posted earlier? ;)

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jduggan:

Juski: looks cool, dont suppose you use the pvr150's irblaster?

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stuarta:

connection timed out. it's having trouble connecting to the backend

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scopeuk:

jduggan nope

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jduggan:

scopeuk: any idea if its as easy as having the raw codes myself in the lircdconf and using that?

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scopeuk:

no idea

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Juski:

jduggan: no, no idea

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jduggan:

hmm

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jduggan:

ok

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scopeuk:

jduggan http://knoppmythwiki.org/index.php?page=SkyDigiBox

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scopeuk:

some is relevent to none knopp users

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Juski:

jduggan: there are plenty of irblaster guides out there

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Juski:

prolly even one in the mythtv wiki

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robbins876:

stuarta, so, it's having trouble connecting? any ideas why that would be or how to fix it?

[22:05:42]

scopeuk:

Juski has scripts and exact isntructions

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CBiLL:

is 2.4g prescott with 6600 nvidia and 1 gig of ram good enough for SD tv?

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Juski:

whaaa? but I'm not dead, so I haven't got $ky

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Juski:

CBiLL: easy

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Zider:

CBiLL: just about :P

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CBiLL:

cool

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Zider:

but why would anyone buy a prescott today?

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czth__:

SD?

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stuarta:

robbins876: no, not at the moment. might be worth trying excessive debugging...

[22:07:35]

Zider:

oh, SD.. yes, plenty :)

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Woosta:

Access denied for user 'mythtv'@'localhost' (using password: YES) <---- strange ... where would the password be stored that I can make sure the mythtv user really has access?

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Zider:

I read HD for some reason

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Juski:

right.. bedtime

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Juski:

g'night all

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Zider:

czth__: SDTV = standard "low-res" TV, HDTV = high definition "high res" TV

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robbins876:

stuarta: excessive debugging? ambiguous answer, eh?

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stuarta:

--verbose all

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Woosta:

NM .. found it

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CBiLL:

naw not buy

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czth__:

Zider: yeh i just googled. lousy acronym, really.

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CBiLL:

I got one running XP

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Zider:

czth__: why?

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czth__:

i suppose because it's the default, but then someone bacronymed it from HD

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CBiLL:

and going to reformat it to linux and run mythtv BUT .. I am planning on getting a Core 2 Duo within this month

[22:09:34]

CBiLL:

I want to wait to see if I can get some at a nice price during the holiday sales

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Zider:

CBiLL: ahh nice.. which one?

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CBiLL:

just the e6300 now

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CBiLL:

unless other drop in prices

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Zider:

k

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robbins876:

my roommate just got the e6600, it's very nice

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CBiLL:

so waiting to see if that quad get released at the end of Nov

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Zider:

robbins876: I gotone of those too :)

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CBiLL:

so core 2 duo prices should drop hopefully

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CBiLL:

and maybe that new micro atx mobo comes out too

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robbins876:

he also picked up soem crazy graphics card, dual-gpu thing

[22:10:47]

CBiLL:

with the hdmi and digital audio and the works =P

[22:10:57]

Zider:

a nano-itx with c2d would be splendid ;)

[22:11:22]

robbins876:

I need to upgrade, i'm running an athlon 64 3500+ I'm living in the stoneage

[22:11:33]

CBiLL:

crazy? so he doing other thing on that box instead just mythtv?

[22:11:35]

xzcvczx-bday:

Zider: i dont think a nano-itx would run myth particularly well

[22:11:41]

Woosta:

OK, I don't get it .. the user, password, host & database in /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt lets me log into mysql .. but I still get access denied

[22:11:52]

Zider:

xzcvczx-bday: why not?

[22:12:01]

stuarta:

robbins876: that's modern. i've only got the 3200+ :-P

[22:12:02]

Zider:

xzcvczx-bday: it's the performance that counts, not size

[22:12:12]

Woosta:

access denied .. when running mythfilldatabase

[22:13:20]

xzcvczx-bday:

Zider: i accept that but the nano-itx's that are out at the moment are rather limited in terms of performance and get very hot which requires the computer to slow down to bring down the tmp

[22:13:23]

xzcvczx-bday:

temp

[22:13:55]

Zider:

xzcvczx-bday: why would a nano-itx specifically get hot?

[22:13:55]

robbins876:

I've got myth setup on a VIA M10000 mini-itx board... a smokin' 1Ghz cpu and onboard video...

[22:13:55]

Woosta:

Is the password in mysql.txt encrypted at all? Does it expect mysql with the new passwords?

[22:14:09]

Dagmar:

It's not encrypted because the client can

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Dagmar:

't exactly use an encrypted password

[22:14:44]

Woosta:

yeah .. that's what I figured .. but it's weird

[22:14:48]

Woosta:

Oh well .. I'll keep chasing

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[Jasper]:

hello, I was wondering, is anyone familiour with this

[22:15:21]

[Jasper]:

Oct 17 10:01:24 mythtv atkbd.c: Keyboard on isa0060/serio0 reports too many keys

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[Jasper]:

pressed.

[22:16:09]

CBiLL:

any1 here made thier own lird reciever?

[22:16:21]

Zider:

CBiLL: I've tried.. and failed.. :P

[22:16:27]

CBiLL:

hehehe

[22:16:38]

CBiLL:

wondering if the parts still avaiable at rat shack

[22:16:47]

Zider:

ratwhat?

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[Jasper]:

I did CBiLL

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CBiLL:

another name for Radio Shack

[22:17:07]

[Jasper]:

you mean a infrared receiver via your com port? right?

[22:17:08]

Zider:

we don't have radio shack here

[22:17:11]

CBiLL:

yes

[22:17:15]

CBiLL:

Japser

[22:17:16]

[Jasper]:

yeah. I've done it

[22:17:19]

Zider:

but it's pretty standard components, so..

[22:17:21]

CBiLL:

where you get the parts?

[22:17:28]

[Jasper]:

in a local shop

[22:17:37]

CBiLL:

not Radio Shack?

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[Jasper]:

they are all basic electronic components

[22:17:43]

[Jasper]:

we don't have radio shack here

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CBiLL:

ok just wondering

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Dagmar:

We have them here

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[Jasper]:

it's very easy to build also

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[Jasper]:

america ?

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Dagmar:

Nine of them

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Dagmar:

Only one of which has anyone with a clue working for them, but that's mainly because they're downstairs from the regional office.

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Zider:

[Jasper]: it's easy yeah, but I think I connected it wrong the first time, and fried some component, because I've tripplechecked now and it's correct, but still not functioning..

[22:19:03]

Dagmar:

Tell the rest you're looking for a "DPDT toggle" and they get this priceless glossy-eyed look

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CBiLL:

yup USA

[22:19:16]

CBiLL:

yeah

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CBiLL:

that why they are called rat shack

[22:19:27]

CBiLL:

hehe

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Dagmar:

"Radio Shack: You've got Questions, we've got Shrugs."

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CBiLL:

lol

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Dagmar:

Stuff like that is why ad companies have a "negative spin" man on staff to figure out what's the worst people can twist things into

[22:21:27]

Dagmar:

...well, that and products like Willy Wonka's "Dingleberries" (chocolate covered raisins they sold for about three weeks back in the mid 80's)...

[22:21:54]

CBiLL:

lol I didn't know that

[22:21:56]

Zider:

Dagmar: they're still around here..

[22:22:01]

Dagmar:

...and Taco Bell's incredibly short-lived "Taco Banger Special" promotion, featuring two tacos knocking into each other on the commercials that ran for about 36 hours

[22:22:01]

Zider:

not under that name tho

[22:22:33]

Dagmar:

I was actually rolling in the floor laughing about the Taco Bell promotion

[22:22:51]

CBiLL:

lol

[22:27:24]

Dagmar:

Willy Wonka wasn't making chocolate candies (or anything but pure sugar products) then when they released "Dingleberries" and were apparently traumatized enough by the mistake that tehy didn't make any more chocolate anythings for about 15 years

[22:27:44]

Zider:

willy wanker and the hot sauce factory :P

[22:28:04]

Woosta:

OK, how was mythtv-setup able to access the database and mythfilldatabase can't?

[22:28:37]

Dagmar:

Maybe the database wasn't running when you tried to run mythfill

[22:28:46]

Woosta:

it is :)

[22:28:47]

Dagmar:

You're the one with the debug output on your screen

[22:29:07]

Woosta:

yeah, and all it says is that there was a driver error .. and the standard mysql can't-connect error

[22:29:10]

Dagmar:

That and there are certain conditions under which mythfill will simply SAY it's not able to talk to the database, and you just run it a second time

[22:29:31]

Dagmar:

If it's carping about a driver error, smack your packages

[22:29:35]

Dagmar:

er packaer

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robbins876:

oh shitty... i had icy hot on my hands and i just rubbed my eye

[22:29:57]

robbins876:

it burns so bad

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Dagmar:

RINSE

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stuarta:

you should stick to drinking...

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CBiLL:

I bet it the same feeling when you just dipped some tobacco and rubbed your eyes afterward

[22:31:05]

CBiLL:

make me wanna go dive into the nearest water I can find

[22:31:27]

stuarta:

good for teasing the missus ;-)

[22:34:30]

robbins876:

alright, i'm back... my eye is so pink now

[22:34:44]

** stuarta beers robbins876 **

[22:35:32]

robbins876:

you know, amarok is a great program, but i can't get it to work with my 6th gen ipod

[22:37:04]

Zider:

seems there is a couple of mini-itx s479 mobos out there

[22:37:14]

Zider:

so you can put a core2duo on

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nosun_:

mythtv have the ability to freely record and stop recording yet?

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Zider:

"freely"?

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nosun_:

last time I tried it I could found only was able to record using scheduals which makes it useless to me

[22:40:45]

Sebulba02:

on demand

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czth__:

yeah, you can just hit R and it records

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nosun_:

yeah but when I would stop it would cancel

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nosun_:

and delete the recording:P

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czth__:

although it will record back to the beginning of what it thinks is the current program

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czth__:

hrm, maybe not then. most people don't seem to need that.

[22:41:39]

nosun_:

damn.....

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nosun_:

owell I guess

[22:42:01]

czth__:

you could always hack it in :)

[22:42:09]

czth__:

i don't imagine it would be that difficult

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nosun_:

hehe... only thing I can hack in is a ax

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nosun_:

;)

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Sebulba02:

start chopping..

[22:43:17]

robbins876:

how do i get to the services gui thing, to turn on and off services?

[22:44:09]

nosun_:

truelly what I'm look for in a PVR is a digital VCR not a TIVO

[22:44:46]

robbins876:

what's the differenec?

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Sebulba02:

you can hit record on a vcr and let it fill up the tape until it dies

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nosun_:

and thats well TIVO is directed to pre playing Jannet Jackson's breast poping out

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nosun_:

and a vcr was originally more for home video's

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jduggan:

in mythtv-setup the 'external channel changer command' it says the channel number will be the first arguement, wots it mean by this?

[22:46:41]

robbins876:

mythtv is probably one of the greatest programs I've ever experienced

[22:47:00]

nosun_:

using it for "piracy" as they call it now a day or just recording tv was a extra

[22:47:35]

robbins876:

why doesn't my lircd turn on at boot up? how do i make it do that?

[22:47:48]

nosun_:

to me undoubtably MythTV is good but for me its no good as I'm not a cable person

[22:47:49]

Sebulba02:

write an init script for it?

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jduggan:

robbins876: make an innit script

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nosun_:

;p scheduals are not easy to follow;P

[22:48:34]

nosun_:

but owell

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Woosta:

Access denied for user 'mythtv'@'localhost' (using password: YES) <--- where is it getting 'localhost' from?? I've grepped everything in /etc/mythtv and /home/mythtv and nothing still says localhost. So I figure there's sql settings elsewhere that mythfilldatabase is looking at ..

[22:48:57]

Sebulba02:

then just get a few TB of harddrive space and record everything

[22:49:00]

robbins876:

jduggan: what does that even look like?

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jduggan:

robbins876: depends on your distro but check /etc/rcx.d/

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jduggan:

x being your runlevel

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nosun_:

lol

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nosun_:

100tb's later;P

[22:52:24]

nosun_:

defeats the purpose but owell

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robbins876:

jduggan: got it setup, thanks

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Zider:

has anyone tried out HDTV playback on a core(2) cpu, to see how fast it would have to be?

[22:56:43]

czth__:

just checking: there'

[22:56:52]

czth__:

s still no way to get encrypted HDTV content into myth, right?

[22:57:29]

Zider:

I guess if you have an external decoder box and get the stream thru firewire from that

[22:57:40]

Zider:

but mythtv doesn't decrypt anything afaik

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jduggan:

any brits come across this device before? http://cielplus.com/

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czth__:

i think they only offer firewire for non-encrypted channels

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dtm:

do you guys know offhand whether building mythtv 0.20 with --disable-opengl-vsync prevents it from using any opengl dependencies at all?

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kormoc:

dtm, no, I think it only disables the vsync

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dtm:

kormoc: i see no other opengl related './configure' options than --disable-xvmc-opengl and --disable-opengl-vsync

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dtm:

kormoc: why else woudl it need opengl?

[23:04:48]

kormoc:

the opengl painter?

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dtm:

kormoc: it doesn't even use opengl by default when running

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dtm:

kormoc: is that not optional at build time?

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kormoc:

I don't think so

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dtm:

:-[

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robbins876:

who's the better 7–0 team... bears or colts?

[23:05:58]

dtm:

FC6 obsoletes some of the opengl functions that mythtv 0.20 uses, and i have the patch that supposedly fixes them, but it doesn't work

[23:05:59]

Zider:

que?

[23:06:09]

dtm:

the patch from svn that i'm told fixes that, doesn't actually fix it

[23:06:09]

Zider:

isn't colt a gun?

[23:06:35]

kormoc:

Zider, sure, but surprise surprise, it's also a horse and other things

[23:06:37]

dtm:

and i'm talking about the SRPM from atrpms, which is the only Fedora repo with mythtv. they have the binary. so i guess maybe they just haven't updated the srpm in the repo.

[23:06:50]

robbins876:

Zider: you've heard of football, right?

[23:07:00]

Zider:

robbins876: seen it in some movies yes

[23:07:19]

kormoc:

robbins876, football (the american term), is purely an american sport

[23:07:38]

robbins876:

I figured I was talking to predominantly Americans, but I could be wrong

[23:07:59]

Zider:

heck no

[23:08:04]

kormoc:

On irc, esp with open source projects, that's quite wrong

[23:08:07]

czth__:

i'm somalian, you insensitive clod!

[23:08:10]

robbins876:

On that note, where is everyone from?

[23:08:15]

Zider:

sweden

[23:08:20]

Zider:

the land of broadband ;)

[23:08:29]

czth__:

maybe more important, where's everyone at now

[23:08:36]

kormoc:

work...

[23:08:43]

robbins876:

Backwoods... Spearfish, South Dakota

[23:08:45]

Sebulba02:

florida

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czth__:

(not that i'm saying this whole a/s/l question is a good idea)

[23:09:23]

Zider:

I'm from Mars actually.. just visiting planet Earth.. ;)

[23:09:45]

Sebulba02:

How are all of our rovers doing over there Zider? :)

[23:09:47]

AngryElf:

the small/medium/big font sizes in the appearance menu, for whatever reason, is not changing the font size of my recordings page, which is way too big and the letters are running over each other.....any ideas?

[23:09:47]

PointyPumper:

wich fs would u recommend for a mythtv box with two cards?

[23:10:05]

Zider:

Sebulba02: your rovers..?

[23:10:11]

kormoc:

I like ext3 personally

[23:10:11]

D-side:

filesystem?

[23:10:17]

Zider:

I like reiserfs

[23:10:23]

D-side:

Zider: you're the only one.

[23:10:26]

Sebulba02:

Zider: the Earth mars probes.

[23:10:29]

Zider:

D-side: not really

[23:10:35]

D-side:

i dont support MurderFS. :D

[23:10:36]

robbins876:

I hate the fact that I threw my back out... LAME!

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Zider:

Sebulba02: oh THAT'S what those were.. I thought they were rollerblades

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D-side:

PointyPumper: i prefer xfs for recordings partitions

[23:10:50]

Zider:

D-side: cute..

[23:10:53]

charlieS:

reiser is a buggy piece of crap. and the author killed his wife.

[23:10:56]

charlieS:

xfs all the way

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Zider:

charlieS: has anyone proven him guilty yet?

[23:11:13]

robbins876:

charlieS: killed his wife? Is that legit?

[23:11:20]

D-side:

Zider: people whos opinions i trust have had awful luck with it, thats why i dont touch it

[23:11:21]

charlieS:

not yet.. but he was arrested.

[23:11:21]

kormoc:

charlieS, be nice...

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PointyPumper:

[20:24:49] <charlieS> reiser is a buggy piece of crap. and the author killed his wife. <- has it been proben?

[23:11:28]

PointyPumper:

xfs?

[23:11:28]

D-side:

and no, he's not been convicted.

[23:11:29]

PointyPumper:

ks

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PointyPumper:

i'll give it a try

[23:11:35]

PointyPumper:

is it fast?

[23:11:38]

D-side:

i just dont like the fs so f that guy. heh

[23:11:48]

charlieS:

and his software sucks, and fell into an un-maintained state. so he's guilty :)

[23:11:56]

D-side:

PointyPumper: blazingly fast for large files

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Zider:

D-side: I've been running reiserfs since long before it was part of the kernel, and had one fs crash during all that time.. and that was due to a f*cked cable..

[23:12:04]

PointyPumper:

great

[23:12:17]

D-side:

Zider: i'm sure theres plenty of people who've had no problems

[23:12:20]

PointyPumper:

now i'm with ext3 and it seems a lil slow :/

[23:12:22]

D-side:

otherwise no one would use the thing

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kormoc:

charlieS, ooh? reiser v3 is maintained by the kernel people, as it's in the kernel proper...

[23:12:33]

Zider:

D-side: so I'm not the only one that likes it.

[23:12:34]

D-side:

its just that everyone i've talked to about it despise it.

[23:12:38]

charlieS:

kormoc: it's being removed...

[23:12:47]

robbins876:

yeah, well, there's lots of people in denver.

[23:12:48]

kormoc:

PointyPumper, ext3 is slow, but stable

[23:13:17]

kormoc:

charlieS, no it's not, it's the dev version v4 that is in contension, and v2 is slated for removal, due to v3 being stable and in the kernel

[23:13:18]

D-side:

i went with xfs because i'd used it on fileservers for years with no problems, and it deletes huge files in a split second

[23:13:42]

kormoc:

charlieS, there is a company behind reiserfs. Now, I don't like resierfs personally, but it's most defently is maintained

[23:13:59]

D-side:

what the hell is the name of that company again?

[23:14:03]

D-side:

sys something?

[23:14:04]

Zider:

namesys

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D-side:

namesys, thats it

[23:14:11]

kormoc:

aye

[23:14:16]

D-side:

yeah i was typing it as you hit enter. :)

[23:14:32]

D-side:

i hope he didn't do it.

[23:14:42]

Zider:

everything about that murder accusation smells bullshit imo

[23:15:02]

D-side:

i can't agree with that.

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D-side:

messy divorce, custody battleover the kids, last seen at his place.

[23:15:20]

Zider:

nothing sounds logical in either way

[23:15:44]

kormoc:

it all depends on the media spin

[23:15:46]

czth__:

maybe he did do it, what makes you think he didn't?

[23:15:59]

kormoc:

czth_, innonicent till proven guilty?

[23:16:00]

charlieS:

http://hardware.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/10/12/1159201

[23:16:06]

Zider:

czth__: no real evidence?

[23:16:06]

D-side:

thats called "motive" anyway.

[23:16:09]

BULLE:

Zider: if you can go by the mails hans reiser have posted on he lkml he does seem like a person with a short fuse and wild temper

[23:16:14]

czth__:

for sure, just saying it's not absolutely impossible

[23:16:25]

D-side:

what bulle says has a slight amount of merit

[23:16:30]

czth__:

how do you know what evidence the cops have?

[23:16:31]

Zider:

it's just, what's it called, circumstantial?

[23:16:41]

D-side:

i'm not going to say "people who go bonkers online are obviously murders"

[23:16:46]

charlieS:

whenever I think of Hans I picture RMS. Just complete jackass-ness all around.

[23:16:46]

D-side:

Zider: absolutely. thats exactly what it is.

[23:16:49]

czth__:

if it's that flimsy the judge will laugh like this hahahahaha

[23:16:52]

kormoc:

charlieS, what about that link?

[23:17:07]

charlieS:

kormoc: even his employees said "we saw it coming"

[23:17:08]

robbins876:

czth__: lol

[23:17:11]

Zider:

czth__: more like "hohohohoho"

[23:17:12]

Zider:

;)

[23:17:14]

robbins876:

yep... i said lol

[23:17:15]

D-side:

i should go look in the LKML archives when AC asked hans to stfu

[23:17:16]

charlieS:

..or something like that :)

[23:17:41]

kormoc:

charlieS, sure, I'd imagine the cops talk to them all a few times before arresting hans, it would make sense

[23:17:44]

dtm:

charlieS: that's a horrible thing to say about anyone. guilty upon accusation?!!?

[23:17:52]

dtm:

guilty until proven innocent?

[23:17:57]

Stormx2`:

Hey guys. Totally new here and stuff. I'm living in the UK here. Got a Sky box and stuff. Thinking of maybe building a new computer, maybe using my xbox to run mythtv. Question, how does mythtv receive input?

[23:18:18]

D-side:

dtm: well, luckily he was arrested where thats not the case.

[23:18:26]

dtm:

charlieS: you're the only jackass involved in the conversation, giving blanket insults to hard working community contributors

[23:18:27]

kormoc:

Stormx2`, via a tv card

[23:18:27]

robbins876:

stormx2`: coax cable?

[23:18:34]

D-side:

dtm: wow.

[23:18:46]

D-side:

how about that.

[23:19:00]

dtm:

D-side: ha, yeah the land of the free for some. /me salutes habeas corpus, we knew you well

[23:19:11]

robbins876:

kraft mac n' cheese is great

[23:19:12]

Stormx2`:

Hmm okay.

[23:19:12]

dtm:

D-side: how about what

[23:19:15]

D-side:

dtm: the system hasn't completely failed yet.

[23:19:20]

D-side:

dtm: your overreaction, thats what.

[23:19:24]

dtm:

D-side: ?!

[23:19:31]

D-side:

no need to call the man a jackass.

[23:20:14]

jduggan:

hmm, i run mythfilldatabase.. it ran (taking about an hour)connecting with strace to the pid showed it was grabbing info, i start up mythfrontend and check the tvguide and mythfrontend segfaults saying 'you dont have any channels defined in teh database'

[23:20:17]

robbins876:

Stormx2`: What distro are you using?

[23:20:27]

charlieS:

dtm: haha.

[23:20:31]

Stormx2`:

robbins876: Currently on windows, but Ubuntu Edgy Eft.

[23:20:36]

jduggan:

which table does mythtv store channel info in?

[23:20:39]

jduggan:

so i can verify

[23:20:42]

charlieS:

dtm: so anyone who donates code is a saint?

[23:20:47]

xris:

jduggan: channel?

[23:21:01]

robbins876:

Stormx2`: I see

[23:21:02]

jduggan:

xris: tvguide info

[23:21:05]

dtm:

D-side: yeah. there most definitely is.

[23:21:07]

Stormx2`:

Like I said, I live in the UK. I've never heard of this coax cable, we generally connect things with SCART over here.]

[23:21:08]

jduggan:

epg stuff

[23:21:11]

xris:

jduggan: no. that's the answer

[23:21:16]

xris:

mythconverg.channel

[23:21:18]

xris:

mythconverg.program

[23:21:21]

** charlieS doesn't think singling out RMS is a blanket insult. Not is it unjustified. **

[23:21:25]

D-side:

dtm: fascinating.

[23:21:30]

jduggan:

xris: ah right, i checked those, they're empty

[23:21:34]

dtm:

charlieS: no. just as i said, everyone who randomly accuses people of unsubstantiated crap is a jackass

[23:21:43]

xris:

jduggan: then you likely have no program data

[23:21:46]

Stormx2`:

Wait

[23:21:49]

dtm:

charlieS: well you're morally skewed then. drop it

[23:21:53]

Stormx2`:

Hmm, I'm being stupid I think. Gimme a minute.

[23:21:54]

charlieS:

dtm: I didn't accuse him. THe police did.

[23:22:05]

D-side:

I'm pretty sure the police accusing him wasnt a random act.

[23:22:07]

charlieS:

dtm: google "stallman to kill linux"

[23:22:14]

kormoc:

charlieS, let's just drop it, okay?

[23:22:19]

jduggan:

xris: but mythfilldatabase runs and collects all the data, connecting to its pid with strace shows its getting it all it didnt quit with any errors

[23:22:26]

D-side:

i'm gonna have to agree with kormoc here.

[23:22:37]

D-side:

so. I'd love to talk with someone who's used the OS X frontend.

[23:22:38]

dtm:

charlieS: no, they DIDN'T accuse him. they arrested him on suspicion. have they even proven she's dead at all?!

[23:22:41]

D-side:

any such people around?

[23:22:42]

dtm:

theydidn't when they arrested him!

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kormoc:

dtm, please just drop it as well

[23:22:56]

dtm:

kormoc: yeah

[23:22:57]

dtm:

lalalala

[23:23:05]

charlieS:

dtm: you can't be arrested unless you're accused.

[23:23:13]

kormoc:

charlieS...

[23:23:17]

charlieS:

kormoc: you're welcome to not participate.

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D-side:

no good is going to come of this. heh

[23:23:34]

Zider:

this isn't very mythtv related

[23:23:45]

kormoc:

charlieS, I'm saying we're gonna drop it, don't push it

[23:23:50]

charlieS:

Zider: _that_ is a point :)

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D-side:

Zider: i'm just hoping an OS Xer is going to chime in.:)

[23:24:10]

Zider:

charlieS: . << that is a point ;)

[23:24:19]

dtm:

kormoc: i think it's odd that i can build the stock mythtv 0.20 tarball and it runs, but i can't even finish building the atrpms SRPM <3

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jduggan:

Stormx2`: you can either use coax out of the rf port of the sky box, svideo out if your box has it.. or get a scart adaptor with an input/output switch and use svideo/composite out to svideo or composite in on your tuner card

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Zider:

D-side: distrowar, filesystem war AND lawyer war ;)

[23:24:33]

xris:

jduggan: there's a way to force it to redownload, but I forget what it is.

[23:24:35]

dtm:

kormoc: jsut because of opengl incompatibility. but i'm whining.

[23:24:47]

kormoc:

dtm, yeah, that is strange.

[23:24:48]

D-side:

Zider: we've nearly rounded the bases

[23:24:52]

charlieS:

not distro war.. I don't get into those. (they all suck)

[23:25:08]

kormoc:

dtm, I wonder what atrpm specific patches they have

[23:25:13]

D-side:

charlieS: your distro sucks. i dont care what it is.

[23:25:15]

Zider:

I just use what I like, and let everyone else use whatever they like..

[23:25:18]

D-side:

you'll get into this one, damnit. :D

[23:25:25]

Zider:

:D

[23:25:30]

charlieS:

D-side: generally Solaris or BSD, _not_ linux :)

[23:25:41]

D-side:

charlieS: wow. i hit the nail on the head! :D

[23:25:47]

Stormx2`:

jduggan: I'm just thinking through this. MythTV, is it intended to be run on a box on its own (dedicated), or can it say, be run in the background to record whatever, then output to a monitor?

[23:25:52]

D-side:

i was about to replace gentoo with ubuntu til i realized it would mean work.

[23:25:55]

D-side:

i'm allergic to that shit

[23:26:12]

Stormx2`:

D-side: gentoo --> ubuntu? Never seen anyone do that before ;-)

[23:26:31]

D-side:

i just wanted something more simple.

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D-side:

the point is, i want to be even more lazy than i already am.

[23:26:58]

opello:

xris: --refresh-today?

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Zider:

aaaaaanyhoo, I'm off to utilize our favourite PVR system to watch some anime.. later guys and dolls

[23:27:35]

Zider:

*gone*

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robbins876:

Stormx2`: It can run like the second example you said.

[23:28:29]

D-side:

hrm. wonder if theres any myth-ready usb2 hdtv tuners. afk, google

[23:29:19]

Stormx2`:

robbins876: Okay. I currently have a coax input into my room, which is feeding into a FreeView box. I'm thinking I move my computer, get a TV Card and run MythTV, outputting to the monitor. Sound good?

[23:29:34]

Stormx2`:

(Instead of the FreeView box)

[23:29:52]

jduggan:

Stormx2`: it can record to the hd and be watched on a different computer

[23:30:12]

jduggan:

or streamed live from a seperate computer to the one with the tv card in

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D-side:

yeah... wtf. firewire. how about that instead of usb. thanks whoever. :)

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Stormx2`:

jduggan: I have one computer, and the freeview box is very primative.

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Stormx2`:

At any rate, I wanna scrap it. Its poor. It almost caught on fire the other day...

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robbins876:

Stormx2`: That would work fine.

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robbins876:

Anyone familiar with setting up remote frontends?

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kormoc:

what bout it?

[23:33:22]

Stormx2`:

Right. And how much do TV Cards cost?

[23:33:30]

Stormx2`:

There a list of supported ones?

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robbins876:

I can't get my frontend to connect to my backend, kormoc... i'll pastebin it

[23:34:19]

jduggan:

does anyone have any info on external channel changer scripts?

[23:34:25]

robbins876:

http://pastebin.ca/229710

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robbins876:

Stormx2`: I use hauppauge pvr-150. It was only about $80 with a remote

[23:35:24]

Stormx2`:

robbins876: Thats good. Its got an IR tower thing then, too?

[23:36:30]

Stormx2`:

Sorry for all the questions by the way people, I'm not very clued up on this ;-) I'll look through the wiki more before asking

[23:36:35]

robbins876:

Yes, it's actually a little button thing that is connected to a wire, rather than a tower

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jduggan:

Stormx2`: i got this recently http://www.dabs.com/productview.aspx?Quicklin . . . ationKey=0.. no real problems setting it up

[23:37:44]

fuffalo-:

there's no way i can make my irblaster that came iwth my pvr-150 work with mythtv, right? (it plugs into the little remote control box, which in turn plugs into the computer via usb)

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jduggan:

other than getting external channel changing working

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jduggan:

fuffalo-: usb? my pvr150's irblaster plugs with a mini phono type jack into the back of the card

[23:38:36]

cureless:

pvr-150mce is $67 at amazon

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fuffalo-:

jduggan, did your pvr150 come with a remote?

[23:38:54]

jduggan:

fuffalo-: yea

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fuffalo-:

it is indeed a mini phono type jack

[23:39:20]

fuffalo-:

but i plugged mine into the back of the remote controller receiver (it's like the size of a coaster, the height of a deck of cards)

[23:39:48]

jduggan:

oh my remote control receiver is tiny, its the size of a british 5pence piece

[23:39:58]

robbins876:

fuffalo: mine came with a remote and i eventually just gave up on it... apparently, there's two different versions of the 150, and one of them has serious (obviously) issues with the remote and linux

[23:40:26]

fuffalo-:

my remote looks like this: http://www.newmagic.com.au/NM_PAGES/products/ . . . 50MCE_01.jpg

[23:41:02]

Stormx2`:

So, my computer can run as the backend and frontend, yeah? How much space does, say, a 30 minute programme take up on my harddrive? This is non-HD stuff.

[23:41:15]

robbins876:

about 600mb

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RaYmAn-Bx:

Stormx2`: depends on the bitrate chosen

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czth__:

peanuts!

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cornell:

I've set Mythtv to record a series ("Heroes"). I find an instance of a recording, when I select it, I get "The file for this recording can not be found". Ok, I've lost that instance, no problem, it's a rerun. But how can I delete it? When I'm on it and hit right arrow, I get the above message, no options.

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robbins876:

Heroes is an awful show.

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fuffalo-:

ok, here's what i have: http://www.pinnacle.co.za/hardware/products/?product=2016

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cornell:

BTW, recording of other episodes was successfull

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fuffalo-:

my irblaster plugs into that little black/grey thing

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RaYmAn-Bx:

Stormx2`: in the bitrate I use, with mpeg2 encoding, I have a recording of The Butterfly Effect that's 5.6GB..not sure how long that movie is though

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czth__:

cornell: if you know your waya round databases you can go into the mysql db and go find the table with recordings and clear out that recording

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D-side:

back.

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czth__:

robbins876: the defining moment for heroes for me was when that japanese dude stands in new york and screams out "yataq!" or whatever it was. just too silly.

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D-side:

czth__: thats one of my favorite parts. :)

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cornell:

czth__ it's one row in a table? I can just delete the one row? And do I have to shut down the backend?

[23:45:30]

czth__:

cornell: probably no need to shut down the backend. i've added game emulators without shutting down, and they show up fine (have to refresh the screen of course)

[23:45:57]

czth__:

i believe it's just one row, but look at the schema a bit with 'show tables' and 'describe' a bit to be sure

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cornell:

czth__ So any dependencies will be obvious?

[23:46:30]

czth__:

(if it's set up to 'on delete cascade' you shuold just be able to delete one row, but, erm, it's mysql, does it even _do_ on delete cascade?)

[23:46:38]

czth__:

cornell: i think so.

[23:46:48]

czth__:

if you feel paranoid, dump the db first

[23:47:28]

cornell:

czth__ k thanks

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fuffalo-:

ok this is the kit that i got with my pvr-150, http://www.hauppauge.co.uk/images/mce_remote_w_beanbag_large.jpg , the irblaster plugs into that black/grey box

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robbins876:

On jarrod's guide for settign up a remote frontend, it tells me to run this mysql command assuming my "local area network is 10.0.1.0/255.255.255.0"

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fuffalo-:

will that irblaster not work with mythtv?

[23:48:51]

robbins876:

how do i find out if my local area network is 10.0.1.0/255.255.255.0?

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BULLE:

robbins876: just check ifconfig output ?

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robbins876:

would it be the router stuff... so something like 192.168.0.%?

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BULLE:

robbins876: or even better, as its YOUR lan, you should know what it is configure as ?

[23:50:11]

BULLE:

robbins876: yes, 192.168.0. is a common configuration aswell

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robbins876:

alright

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AngryElf:

does the internal mythDVD player support AC3 audio output?

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