Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Sunday, October 29th, 2006, 00:00 UTC

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banyan:

I do know you can run x on the frame buffer but there's no x involved with the actual video playback.

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robbins876:

When I go to my program guide, it's got the box off to the top right where the video preview goes, but it just says loading preview video...

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robbins876:

but over the top left corner, there's distorted video being displayed

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robbins876:

over the text and everything... anyone have any ideas?

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robbins876:

and my video isn't playing very smoothly

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|Torg|:

did you set xrandr?

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robbins876:

uhh... xrandr?

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mjelva:

i have several movies stored with two CDs. how can i configure myth to display these as one entry in the video library, and then use 'nextchapter' or something to flip between them?

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|Torg|:

did you tell it to use differnt playback vs gui settings?

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robbins876:

nope

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|Torg|:

what video card do you have?

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mjelva:

or better yet, allow me to select which CD on the video info screen

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robbins876:

is that in mythsetup or just in the setup in the frontend? I have pvr150 and nVidia 6800GT

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|Torg|:

what driver do you run?

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mjelva:

is the only way to put them in a folder? if so, how do i see the cover on the folder, as i would with a regular file?

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robbins876:

driver for which?

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|Torg|:

for your nvidia card

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robbins876:

oh... uhh, i dont' know, i just installed them

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robbins876:

from livna

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|Torg|:

go download the nvidia driver, amek sure you have version 8776 and run it

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|Torg|:

you have to shut down X to run that script

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|Torg|:

and you must have the kernel headders alal the src available

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robbins876:

i changed that thing you said to change, and it seems to be running a little bit better

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|Torg|:

heeh I didnt say to change anything tho

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|Torg|:

here get this: http://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/ . . . 776-pkg1.run

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robbins876:

I ahve to go meet my parents at some restaurant, so I'll try this when I come back

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|Torg|:

ok copy that link, and cd to /usr/src there type "wget http://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/ . . . g1.run" and leave it for later

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banyan:

short answer appears to be no about the ogg on ipod.

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** LLyric idles, waiting for mythtv to rebuild on the fc6 box **

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|Torg|:

run distcc

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shomas:

hello im trying to get mythtv working on a debian (sarg) linux box with an ati ATI TV WONDER VE mythtv-setup probe of the video card fails to detect is this normal for this card ?

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robbins876:

LLyric> i'm in FC6

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LLyric:

I probably am, but computer isn't that fast.

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robbins876:

got it all working, just having some issues with live tv looking like it's streamed from the internet or something

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robbins876:

it's not displaying all the frames, or something

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|Torg|:

no shomas that is not

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|Torg|:

duno robbins876, sory I dont watch live tv. ITs not like I have time to, in fact its the whole reason I run myth

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shomas:

hrmmm torg what should i use "analog v4linux capture card" ?

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|Torg|:

what kind of card do you use for captuing?

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shomas:

ATI TV WONDER VE card

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robbins876:

nevermind, it's not just live TV, it's all of my video in myth

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|Torg|:

sorry that I dont know I use dvb cards

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|Torg|:

I gota run, maybe someone else here cna help you

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shomas:

thank you anyhow

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** LLyric is dvb too, unfortunately **

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LLyric:

Though my pvr-350 worked great

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banyan:

past tense?

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robbins876:

It's just in myth though, divx is wokring fine in xine and mplayer

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robbins876:

any ideas what i need to change to make video run better in myth?

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LLyric:

banyan: the drivers for my dvb card didn't like my pvr-350 card.

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shomas:

how can i determin which mythv should use for the "ati wonder ve" card

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LLyric:

So I removed the card from the system. Got a dual-tuner dvb anyway.

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LLyric:

aw crap, SVN-head has changed more stuff, and broke my build

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robbins876:

anyone have any ideas why videos would play fine outside of myth, but videos and liveTV in myth run very poorly?

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shomas:

robbins876, im quite new and not an expert but maybe memory ?

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robbins876:

I had myth installed on FC5 and it was working fine, but now in FC6 I'm getting this issue

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robbins876:

everything works except for the crappy video playback

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robbins876:

drops frames and doesn't move smoothly

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shomas:

i could only take wild stabs in the dark, but several things come to mind, are you recording at the same time ? what priority are they running at ? ect.

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shomas:

besides that i doubt i could help

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LLyric:

livetv is essentially just recording and watching at the same time

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shomas:

LLyric, can mythtv just watch with out recording ?

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mchou:

yeah, but livetv is flakey whereas watching prerecorded is not :)

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LLyric:

It doesn't actually record into a file, but uses a "hidden" buffer for the same function

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LLyric:

No, it can't watch without "recoding"

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LLyric:

recording

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mchou:

livetv in myth is only good for verifying you set everything up properly

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LLyric:

....

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LLyric:

it's fine, if you know what it is.

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shomas:

mchou, if i were to guess as to why it is "flaky" is because of the aditional resorces used to do both

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** LLyric watches (almost) livetv sometimes, just for pause, and add-skip **

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mchou:

shomas: nope. I'd think you'd be wrong

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LLyric:

That'd be my first guess, too

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LLyric:

Or DMA isn't working on your disk :)

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LLyric:

Some capture cards are pretty CPU-heavy

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mchou:

nope. nothing to do with DMA

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LLyric:

How's "top" look while you're doing this livetv?

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GreyFoxx:

LLyric: IT doesn't record livetv to a buffer. LiveTV is pretty much the same as a regular recording

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shomas:

ive got a different problem i get no sound and mythfrontend give me this when i try to watch tv "2006-10–28 20:10:29.949 Opening OSS audio device '/dev/dsp'.

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shomas:

"

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shomas:

006-10–28 20:10:29.950 NVP: Disabling Audio, reason is: WARNING: something is currently using: /dev/dsp, retrying.

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LLyric:

GreyFoxx: except it doesn't save the recording (unless you hit R). Yes, I know

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GreyFoxx:

actually yes it does

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GreyFoxx:

They don't get wipedfor 24 hours

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LLyric:

In the buffer

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GreyFoxx:

The ringbuffer doesn';t exist any more

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GreyFoxx:

LiveTV is saved into seperate files on program boundaries just like recordings

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LLyric:

Oh really? Hmm

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GreyFoxx:

It's been gone since 0.19

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mchou:

LLyric: man you're sadly out of date :)

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BULLE:

shomas: lsof

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** LLyric shrugs **

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BULLE:

shomas: to see what is hogging /dev/dsp

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GreyFoxx:

You can go back hours later and save a livetv show so it wont be expired

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BULLE:

shomas: and consider stop using OSS and use ALSA instead, if possible, OSS is deprecated

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** LLyric is low-tech, m'kay? :) **

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banyan:

oss has been deprecated for yeeeears.

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** LLyric trying to get svn-head working now, but it looks like some stuff has changed quite a bit in the last month or so **

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mchou:

yeah, but alsa has problems too :)

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shomas:

bule i thought i am using alsa , how should i check

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mchou:

lsmod should tell ya

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mchou:

so should /proc/asound or whatever

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banyan:

alsa doesn't handle multiple simultaneous sound sources as well as oss does I don't think.

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mchou:

banyan: no, it's the other way around

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mchou:

banyan: which is not to say alsa handles multiple sources perfectly either....

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banyan:

Why is it that amarok blocks other sources until I close it?

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mchou:

lol

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banyan:

I assume amarok is using alsa...

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mchou:

cause maybe you're using the oss plugin?

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LLyric:

banyan: you can configure which engine it uses, but by default (fc) it's not alsa

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banyan:

what's the default, I wonder...

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LLyric:

check the config->engines

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shomas:

hrmmm seems i have ALSA wrapper for OSS, and "PCM player designed for ALSA (OSS output module)"

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LLyric:

hehe

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LLyric:

that's really oss-that-looks-like-alsa

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shomas:

i c

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capt-rogers:

to get mythtv videos to play on windows, i enabled samba, and played them that way. samba is pretty fast, so it works okay. i used L-Lite Mega Code pack for Windows. If I were to use a Linux Desktop, like GNOME KDE on Ubuntu, Mandriva etc, would playing MythTV videos work directly from the web interface?

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mchou:

capt-rogers: what's L-Lite Mega Code pack?

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capt-rogers:

in samba, /mythtv/tv i get a long list on time-date stamps .png and .mpg files...no idea what it is..but in the web interface, it has a nice picture showing you what the video file is....

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capt-rogers:

i used the lateast l-lite 1.60 beta, but the 1.53 and almost any version of media player classic works....doesnt have to be the latest....

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mchou:

capt-rogers: what's L-Lite Mega Code pack?

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capt-rogers:

L-lite mega-codec...hang on ..brb

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mchou:

is that just a bunch of codecs?

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capt-rogers:

http://fileforum.betanews.com/detail/KLite_Me . . . 1080441198/1

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scopeuk:

mchou yes

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LLyric:

is proc_opt useful for x86_64?

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LLyric:

where can I get distcc for fc6 (rpm)?

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LLyric:

dag?

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D-side:

installing edgy's mythy stuff.

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SlicerDicer-:

D-side: yeah well... hopefully you have protocol 31

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SlicerDicer-:

cause if you dont it aint workin

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SlicerDicer-:

lol

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SlicerDicer-:

my myth backend .20 does not work with mythfrontend .20 from edgy eft

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SlicerDicer-:

yay

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thehound:

I just signed up for datadirect service w/ all of the channels that my HD scan found, and then ran mythfilldatabase. However, only some of the channels have populated data

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D-side:

mine does

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D-side:

woo!

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D-side:

but then, the edgy box is going to BE the backend soon enough

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D-side:

replacing the P4 2.66 with an amd64 3800+ X2

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shomas:

i was advised that i should use alsa and not oss, big question but can some one point me in the direction ?

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D-side:

what do you mean?

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D-side:

switching from OSS to alsa?

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shomas:

2006-10–28 21:01:43.093 Opening OSS audio device '/dev/dsp'.

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shomas:

2006-10–28 21:01:43.094 AudioOutput Error: WARNING: something is currently using: /dev/dsp, retrying.

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shomas:

2006-10–28 21:01:43.095 NVP: Disabling Audio, reason is: WARNING: something is currently using: /dev/dsp, retrying.

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shomas:

i got that from mythfrontend

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shomas:

some one told me i should use alsa and not oss

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D-side:

is moving from OSS to alsa a difficult thing for your distro? you should be googling to find out how to do that

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D-side:

it'll require a bit of work, likely.

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D-side:

kernel modules, etc etc

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hydroksyde:

Is there any way of getting mtd to be more verbose?

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thehound:

what distro doesn't use alsa as default

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shomas:

im using debian sarge and i though i got all the packages i needed

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thehound:

alsa has been the standard for a while now

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thehound:

ah, i see

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hydroksyde:

import DVD works fine, when I set the quality to ISO image or perfect

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hydroksyde:

when I set it to "good" it dies part way through

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thehound:

http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Debian/alsa.html

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thehound:

seriously, try google first

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thehound:

that was the first topic

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hydroksyde:

gives me an error "Couldn't write blocks during a rip. Filesystem size exceeded? Disc full?", but I definitely have the space

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shomas:

heh thanks thehound i was expecting more info than i needed from google

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mjelva:

how difficult would it be to create something similar to the feature the grabs info from imdb, but for porn, and grabbing from some relevant database?

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hydroksyde:

I think it uses perl scripts

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hydroksyde:

use the source

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mjelva:

it wouldn't have much practical value, but it would be kinda cool

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mjelva:

if i'm able, i might do it for the hack value

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hydroksyde:

mjelva: try mythplugins-0.20a/mythvideo/mythvideo/scripts

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mjelva:

hydroksyde: just gotta figure out the layout of the iafd database, huh?

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GreyFoxx:

iafd?

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hydroksyde:

lol

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mjelva:

internet adult film database

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GreyFoxx:

ahhh

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hydroksyde:

something like that

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GreyFoxx:

do they provide a feeed or would you just screenscrape ?

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hydroksyde:

the README file should help you with the myth interface

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mjelva:

it's like imdb but for porn

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mjelva:

the hack value of having a feature to pull down info on porn movies intrigues me

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mjelva:

iafd has info on different scenes (facials, anal, lesbo etc)

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mjelva:

it would be pretty sweet

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GreyFoxx:

I'm sure there are those who would use it

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hydroksyde:

sure...

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mjelva:

i don't know perl tho. so i'd have to read quite a bit in order to pull it off.

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hydroksyde:

not hard

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hydroksyde:

man perlintro

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wyz_poobuntulova:

hello

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hydroksyde:

where do bug reports go?

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GreyFoxx:

trac. svn.mythtv.org/trac

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GreyFoxx:

with as muchdetail as possible :) And if it's a crash, a backtrace :)

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hydroksyde:

it's mtd related

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hydroksyde:

err

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hydroksyde:

mythdvd

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hydroksyde:

is this the correct place for plugin bugs?

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GreyFoxx:

yup

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D-side:

hey! who wants to send me one of those plextor convertx boxes?

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D-side:

i'm broke but i want one.

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wyz_poobuntulova:

nice try

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wyz_poobuntulova:

GreyFoxx, i noticed for Belgium i need a non-xmltv grabber for tv info

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wyz_poobuntulova:

yet, in the status window, it seems to check for xmltv... and of course it gives an error

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Zider:

scopeuk: yep

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scopeuk:

Zider wow you read that far back

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scopeuk:

good for you

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Borromini:

guys i'm having an authentication rejected error when i start up mythbackend

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Borromini:

yet it runs...

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Borromini:

how can i fix this? i tried dumping the database but that wasn't the right thing apparently

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scopeuk:

night folks

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banyan:

what is the most commonly used distro with myth I wonder.

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banyan:

I know there are several real advocates of myth who use fedora but there's also knoppmyth and other projects like that...

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Paladine:

any fedora users in da house?

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banyan:

me

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Paladine:

banyan is iptables funky in fedora core?

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D-side:

it better not be.

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banyan:

depends on what you mean by funky I guess.

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Paladine:

well my mate just asked me how to open his ircd port so I told him to do the following

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banyan:

They do have their own kind of system...

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Paladine:

iptables INPUt -A -p tcp --destination-port 6667 -j ACCEPT

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Paladine:

-A INPUT even

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Paladine:

then told him to do services iptables save

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Paladine:

then iptables -F

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banyan:

then you need to do the same thing with the output table too.

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Paladine:

but he still can't connect

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Paladine:

yeah i told him to do the output too

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banyan:

or it won't send anything out.

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banyan:

does he have a separate firewall?

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Ediehow:

is it possible to get mythtv to use opengl output?

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Paladine:

notthat I am aware of

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Ediehow:

i don't even see anything about GL in playback anymore

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banyan:

I have to do something similar to allow connections in on vnc...

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banyan:

iptables -I INPUT 1 -p tcp --destination-port <your port> -j ACCEPT

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banyan:

iptables -I OUTPUT 1 -p tcp --source-port <your port> -j ACCEPT

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banyan:

on the output table you have to say --source-port instead of --destination-port.

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Paladine:

-I instead of -A?

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banyan:

I am not all that sure it really matters.

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Ediehow:

man, surely there's a way to have myth output to opengl?

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banyan:

I put the rules at the beginning.

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banyan:

Paladine, did he do --source-port in the output table?

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Paladine:

yeah

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Paladine:

we didn't have the 1 after INPUT or OUTPUT though

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Paladine:

hehe when he just flushed it disconnectedhim and now he can't get back in lol

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robbins876:

Alright, I'm back from eating the best steak ever...seriously.

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banyan:

I think -I needs <table> <locatlion> and -A just means append to the bottom so it only takes a table. maybe.

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robbins876:

And back to the damn problems I was having before I left... Anyway, videos play perfectly in Xine, but in mythTV, live tv and videos playback very choppily. Any ideas why this is?

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banyan:

I know not much about iptables and almost nothing about selinux!

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D-side:

i'm starting to get bored with this mythtv install. i think i'll give up for now and tackle it again later.

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robbins876:

The audio is fine, but the video looks like it's not playing all the frames.

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banyan:

oh, you know, I have two machines and it would be nice to administer passwords so that machine B accepts user X from machine A as user X locally without asking for a password, etc.

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banyan:

Presumably possible but I don't have a sniff.

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robbins876:

Anyone have any ideas why my video playback would be so terrible?

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Unn:

is a pvr-150 auto loaded in eft?

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robbins876:

what is eft?

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robbins876:

i ahve that card

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Unn:

ubuntu edgy eft

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banyan:

unn, you can tell by seeing if there's an =========== ivtv start area in your messages log.

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Unn:

nah, i'm assuming then it isn

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Unn:

t

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Unn:

i guess then i'll just install ivtv

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Unn:

mleh

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Unn:

so much for easier to use with edgy

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robbins876:

Anyone have ANY recommendations on what to try to fix the video in mythTV?

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Unn:

what distro are you using?

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Paladine:

banyan, I think it is plesk that is cocking it up for him

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banyan:

cocking what up for whonow?

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Paladine:

I am suspecting that plesk has a built in "security feature" to lock the box if someone manually edits iptables from the cli

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Paladine:

:)

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banyan:

you are kidding...

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Paladine:

I am suspecting

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banyan:

even if that someone is root?

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Paladine:

plesk gets freakin everywhere

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Paladine:

he just told me that it is a shared box too

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Paladine:

so he has locked out allt he other customers bwahahaha

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banyan:

I've never even heard of it. Sounds like an Ikea footstool or something. plesk.

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banyan:

that will result in unhappy hosters.

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Paladine:

it is a "manage your server over the web" POS

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Unn:

yeah, plesk is ususally a constant battle

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robbins876:

Unn, sorry, i was reading a forum about choppy video in myth. I'm in FC6... is it possible that mythTV isn't recognizing my video card and not using it's hardware acceleration?

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banyan:

what card?

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robbins876:

nvidia 6800GT and hauppauge pvr 150

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banyan:

aahh, finally it's updating packages! yay!

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banyan:

do you have the livna nvidia-kmodule package installed?

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robbins876:

uhh... i don't think so... how do i check that?

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banyan:

If you don't you will be running the sub-optimal nv driver.

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banyan:

rpm -qa *nvidia*

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robbins876:

xorg-x11-drv-nvidia-1.0.8776–3.lvn6

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robbins876:

kmod-nvidia-1.0.8776–1.2.6.18_1.2798.fc6

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D-side:

or

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D-side:

grep nvidia /etc/X11/xorg.conf

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robbins876:

ModulePath "/usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/nvidia"

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robbins876:

Driver "nvidia"

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D-side:

well there goes that idea. thats accelerated.

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robbins876:

alright

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robbins876:

what is XmVC?

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banyan:

hm.

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Unn:

any one here actually running ubuntu edgy eft?

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Ediehow:

hi

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Ediehow:

is it possible to get mythtv to use opengl output?

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robbins876:

think it has anything to do with me running ASLA? Some forum mentioned it

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banyan:

Beats me. Wish I could help. If I could, I'd probably know how to fix my own high-cpu-use problem.

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robbins876:

when I do cat /dev/video0 > /tmp/test_capture.mpg the video it captures is perfect... no problems what so ever... So I'm sure the choppy video has got to have something to do with Myth.

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banyan:

are the actual captured files garbled or is it the playback?

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robbins876:

the captured file is fine... plays back perfectly in xine

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robbins876:

but live tv, and even playing divx in myth is just extremely choppy

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Unn:

robbin try chmod +s /usr/bin/mythfrontend

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robbins876:

already did that

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Unn:

have you installed or updated something recently?

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xanderp:

i've changed around my tuners and would like to get them back to tuner 1,2,3 instead of 6,7,8. What's the trick?

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robbins876:

wait... i found a problem

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robbins876:

http://pastebin.ca/227210

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robbins876:

check out the bottom of that

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Unn:

cut your res down?

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robbins876:

is there a way to make myth drop the resolution when i load it?

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robbins876:

I'm in KDE, when I go to where you change the resolution, it's only got 1600x1200 in there

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Unn:

might be in the mythfrontend settings

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Unn:

actually, doesn't it drop them when you start the frontend anyhow

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Unn:

check the terminal output

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Unn:

then again i might be crazy

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mjelva:

anyone know where filetype settings are stored?

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mjelva:

i don't have a keyboard hooked up to my media center, so i'd like to do some manual editing via ssh

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banyan:

filetype settings?

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mjelva:

yes. when you go into setup -> video settings -> file types

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mjelva:

you can set file associations etc

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banyan:

oh, specifically to myth.

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banyan:

I'm sure that's in mysql tables somewhere but I don't really know.

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cnorman:

anyone using an ati x1400?

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cnorman:

having fits trying to fix this issue with hue/color

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lane:

Hi all. :) Just have a quick question – does anyone know how to set the repeat rate for joystick menu navigation in mythfrontend? I just got my joystick working for navigation, and it's great – but I have to re-press the buttons for every repeat.

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reeddler:

is there a way to increase logging level for transcode?

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reeddler:

trying to get transcode to work and the only message I get in mythbackend log is "JobQueue: Transcode Errored: MythBusters "Deadly Straw": (High Quality)"

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reeddler:

mythweb says "Transcode failed with status: 0"

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Unn:

just incase anyone is installing ivtv in edgy eft https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Install_IVTV_Edgy?highlight=%28ivtv%29

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D-side:

Unn: uh oh. problems?

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D-side:

loading now

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D-side:

Unn: thats actually very helpful to me. thank you.

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Unn:

i was having them, all set up now

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Mersault:

I'm re-installing my mythbox, but the site that hosts pvr_1.18.21.22254_inf.zip seems to be down (at least the ftp service is down)

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Mersault:

does anyone happen to have a copy they can send me?

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Unn:

yeah just a sec

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Mersault:

sweet.

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lamby:

I'm trying to configure mythtv using the unstable Marillat packages on a headless server but running 'mythtv-setup' complains about having no X server over ssh.. is there a way to configure without connecting up a kb and monitor?

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Unn:

Mersault, technical difficulties just a sec

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LLyric:

gak! having driver? problems with fc6

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lane:

lamby: have you tried ssh -X

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LLyric:

Any idea why it would say >>Started recording: Message Stick "Rest In Peace": channel 1002 on cardid 1, sourceid 1<< then not record anything?

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Unn:

Mersault, PM me your email

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lamby:

lane: yes

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Unn:

the file won't fly on gmail

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Mersault:

yousendit.com?

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lane:

lamby: how about xhost +

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Mersault:

or ftp server...

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Unn:

one sec

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Unn:

i'll just upload it

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RyeBrye2:

I've got a strange issue with MythGame – my mame and genesis ROMs work fine... but my NES roms (extension .NES) don't get picked up when I scan for them

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RyeBrye2:

anyone have any clue why this would be?

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Unn:

http://rag.nu/pvr_1.18.21.22254_inf.zip

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Unn:

should work

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RyeBrye2:

(the setup specifies the extension correctly, and I have quadruple-checked the directory)

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Mersault:

thanks Unn

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Mersault:

saved the night :)

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Unn:

not a problem

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lamby:

lane: thanks for your pointers.. I decided to poke X a bit on the server (didn't have xbase-clients installed). thanks again

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lane:

lamby: np

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LLyric:

what should LogPrintLevel be to increase logging? I've got a complete failure to record, but mythbackend.log says everything is fine...

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lane:

does anyone know if xine can be controlled via a gamepad?

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tvguideless:

any help on the following error when doing a modprobe cx88_alsa: FATAL: Error inserting cx88_alsa (/lib/modules/2.6.18–1.2200.fc5/kernel/drivers/media/video/cx88/cx88-alsa. ko): Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg)

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lamby:

lane: actually, it asked for my language but now it just hangs. the console last says " Loading from: /usr/share/mythtv/themes/default/base.xml ".

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lamby:

lane: hah, it's just uber slow.

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lane:

lamby: yeah, X forwarding can be like that

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lane:

esp if both boxes aren't on the same LAN

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lamby:

heh.. well, they are on the same gigabit switch ;)

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Unn:

anyone know why my channel scanner is only getting the first 13 channels?

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Unn:

anyone at all?

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robbins87:

yeah

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robbins87:

you have to change your tuner type to b-cable instead of b-cast, or whatever

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robbins87:

in mythtv-setup

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Unn:

thanks robbins

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robbins876:

no problem

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robbins876:

now if i could just get some help with my insane problem

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Unn:

it probably has something to do with ivtv?

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robbins876:

no, graphics drivers, i think

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robbins876:

brb

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reeddler:

lamby, get x11vnc

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reeddler:

is there a way to increase logging level for transcode?

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reeddler:

trying to get transcode to work and the only message I get in mythbackend log is "JobQueue: Transcode Errored: Show name here (High Quality)"

[04:37:21]

robbins876:

anyone ever seen this error before?? http://pastebin.ca/227210

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robbins876:

check out the last 4 lines

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[SA]Pooky:

There are a few utilities in windows that can scan a dvr recording and find the commercials. Does anyone know of a program like this for Linux?

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robbins876:

mythtv

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robbins876:

it has commercial flagging and commercial auto-skip built in

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[SA]Pooky:

Anything else? I use MCE (shhh.....)

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siXy:

robbins876: delete the modules section from your xorg.conf

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Kelerion:

then your barking up the wrong tree pooky

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[SA]Pooky:

I want to be able to transcode on my Gentoo box. Any ideas?

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robbins876:

then log out and back in, siXy?

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[SA]Pooky:

I want to use mythTV but I have the windows remote and keyboard for it, and I doesn't have support in Linux.

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Kelerion:

pfft

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siXy:

well you need to restart x. you can reboot the machine or just crash the x server

[04:42:35]

reeddler:

[SA]Pooky, just to transcode? ffmpeg

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siXy:

ctrl+alt+bksp

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Kelerion:

I use the windows remote too

[04:42:59]

Kelerion:

came with a laptop I have... not good enough.... try again

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[SA]Pooky:

reeddler: ffmpeg will transcode it, but I want to cut out the commercials.

[04:43:12]

reeddler:

[SA]Pooky, nuvexport

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[SA]Pooky:

Kelerion: I have the entire remote keyboard

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Kelerion:

I doubt your gonna find a linux app that will handle mce mspvr files

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Kelerion:

what with them being riddled with drm and such

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siXy:

[SA]Pooky: mce records in a proprietary video format. few apps can open it, besides mce and windows media player

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reeddler:

any ideas re my transcode problem? hints?

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siXy:

you are highly unlikely to be able to do commercial auto-skip in linux. you may be able to use a mythtv backend and a widows mce frontend connected using upnp soon, however

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siXy:

then you can have all the features of myth and the mce-keyboard freindly-ness of mce

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[SA]Pooky:

siXy: Yea, that's my biggest gripe about MCE. FFMpeg will transcode it decently, but there's commercials.

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[SA]Pooky:

There are a couple windows games I play on the box too.

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siXy:

properly integrating mce with mythtv backends is a project ive been looking at, and will get round to one of these days :)

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[SA]Pooky:

I guess I'll just live with the commercials.

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[SA]Pooky:

Thanks for you help, guys

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robbins876:

siXy, that fixed it... how did you know that was the problem?

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siXy:

becuase fc6 auto-detecs modules, loading them manually causes issues

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siXy:

*detects

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siXy:

new fc6 feature

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robbins876:

That was magical. It's working flawlessly now

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siXy:

good :)

[04:51:13]

robbins876:

i love you.

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siXy:

:O

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robbins876:

have you ever seen tourettesguy.com?

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siXy:

meh, videos dont work over vnc

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Tronic:

Is it possible to adjust the offset where the thumbnail video preview starts from in Media Library?

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Tronic:

There is a setting for setting the offset of a preview-frame, but not for the video.

[05:02:21]

Unn:

data directory is not writable by www-data. Please check permissions.

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Unn:

what is the data directory?

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reeddler:

its where you store your recordings

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Tronic:

It would be nice if the video also used this same setting.

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LLyric:

gak, I'm justabout ready to ditch fc6 and go back to fc5

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Unn:

hmm it should be writeable

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reeddler:

Unn, just guessing.. mythweb?

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Unn:

yeah

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Unn:

it was nice in .18.1

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Unn:

in .2 there is setup involved

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reeddler:

i like it in 0.20a

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reeddler:

all template driven + ajax

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Unn:

plus i'm exhausted so i'm slow

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Unn:

cool

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Unn:

i look forward to checking it out eventually

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reeddler:

you must've missed the README file

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reeddler:

or INSTALL

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Unn:

likely

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Unn:

hah, what'd i miss?

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reeddler:

"Next, you need to make sure that your web server can write to the data

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reeddler:

directory"

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Unn:

yeah

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Unn:

def did

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reeddler:

and you replaced "apache" with "www-data" ?

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reeddler:

i.e. $ chgrp -R www-data /wwww/htdocs/myMythWebDirectory/data

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Unn:

where is this read me?

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Unn:

so i can rtfm

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reeddler:

root of mythweb

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Unn:

apt-get didn't dump it there

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reeddler:

line 88

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reeddler:

chgrp -R apache /wwww/htdocs/myMythWebDirectory/data; chmod g+rw /wwww/htdocs/myMythWebDirectory/data

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Unn:

chgrp: invalid group `apache'

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Unn:

of cource

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Unn:

plus i can't spell

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reeddler:

www-data

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DrMitch:

is there a way to resize/fullscreen the mythfrontend window without going into settings?

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Unn:

you can make it start in a window

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Unn:

so you can resize it however

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reeddler:

but once its windowed.. there's no magic key to make it go full screen

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DrMitch:

i have it starting in a window, but i can't resize it or fullscreen it

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reeddler:

the settings are right there.. in mythfrontend > setup

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Unn:

hey reeddler data/tv_icons directory is not writable by www-data. Please check permissions.

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Unn:

tv_icons is just a link to /var/lib/mythtv

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Unn:

am i chgrping there too?

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Dagmar:

Sure, why not

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EnterUserName:

ehy all

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** EnterUserName waves **

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Elephant:

...

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Elephant:

wtf

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EnterUserName:

hrm

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xris:

Juski: you awake?

[06:00:46]

czthIII:

is there a way to configure mythtv through the console?

[06:01:02]

czthIII:

(without using direct SQL statements, i mean, some sort of curses or command line app)

[06:01:59]

defaultro:

Can anyone help me please with recording the analog capability of my Fusion card? It was working before. It started not working after changing the user from root to mythtv

[06:02:19]

defaultro:

i opened alsamixer and CD in is set as the capture

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defaultro:

and CD_IN in motherboard is connected to my fusion card too

[06:03:03]

defaultro:

again, it was working when I was running mythtv as root but not with mythtv anymore

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reeddler:

in "mythtranscode -j 74 -V 4294967295 -p 27" what are the -V and -p parameters for?

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siXy:

man mythtranscode

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reeddler:

no man entry for mythtranscode

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siXy:

mythtranscode --help? or google mythtranscode?

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reeddler:

--help doesnt have those options

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siXy:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Mythtranscode

[06:09:44]

reeddler:

yet it appears that whenever job is kicked off.. and these two options are passed.. mythtranscode segfaults

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siXy:

doesnt mention -V tho, are you sure its -V not -v?

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reeddler:

and that page has the same info as --help... i've no bl00dy idea where its' getting -V and -p from

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reeddler:

yes i'm sure.. I copy/pasted from the debug output

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siXy:

well -p is listed.

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reeddler:

mythbackend log: 2006-10–29 01:37:40.564 JobQueue: Running command: '/usr/local/bin/mythtranscode -j 74 -V 4294967295 -p 27 '

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hello_man:

hey guys..

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siXy:

thinking about it i think my mythtranscode runs with those flags too.. cant remember what -V does off the top of my head tho. why is it important?

[06:15:42]

hello_man:

I just setup mythtv setup and the video is choppyu

[06:15:52]

hello_man:

I have X2 3800+ with 1GB RAM

[06:16:06]

hello_man:

so its pwoerful machien. Running Sue 10,.1

[06:16:10]

hello_man:

any idea what muight be wrong

[06:16:30]

siXy:

your graphics card probably isnt set up correctly.

[06:16:47]

reeddler:

siXy, because mythtranscode is segfaulting on me

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hello_man:

its nvidia 6150 integrated graohics

[06:17:01]

hello_man:

I isntalled the latest nvidia graphics drivers

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reeddler:

but if I just run "/usr/local/bin/mythtranscode -j 74" it runs fine

[06:17:10]

siXy:

eeek. thats not good :/ dont think its those flags tho.. they defiantely look right to me

[06:18:03]

siXy:

oh. thats very odd.

[06:18:03]

hello_man:

if I use NV driver rather than nvidia, i get X bad alloc errors

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siXy:

reeddler: does it work without the -V ?

[06:18:41]

reeddler:

no

[06:18:43]

siXy:

hello_man: sounds like you have a bad xorg.conf or incorrectly installed drivers.

[06:19:07]

reeddler:

works only w/ -j

[06:19:07]

reeddler:

its also strange because -p is required

[06:19:11]

hello_man:

how can I fix it siXy

[06:19:25]

reeddler:

might be something w/transcoding profiles... lemme check those

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siXy:

reeddler: either you have dodgy profiles or somehting is badly screwed

[06:19:54]

siXy:

ah yeah :)

[06:21:05]

siXy:

hello_man: i reccomend headding over to #suse and ask them to take a peek at your xorg.conf and xorg.0.log files. i dont really use suse much myself im afraid

[06:21:08]

reeddler:

if I dont specify -p... it's probably picking up Autodetect MPEG2, no?

[06:21:50]

siXy:

it will do mpeg2 with default settings.. and the default settings are a little odd imo but they work on most machines tho the audio often sounds a bit odd

[06:22:41]

reeddler:

hah.. what do you know... as soon as I checked "Loseless transcoding" for the Autodetect from MPEG2... "mythtranscode -j 74" crapped the sheets...

[06:24:09]

reeddler:

hello_man, AFAIK, its "nv" not "NV"

[06:25:47]

simcop2387:

hello_man: the 6100 and forward i think don't have XV support, currently mythtv needs that to play back video at any decent speed, you can mitigate this somewhat by lowering the resolution

[06:26:07]

simcop2387:

i remember reading that some of the newer ones don't but i forget which series it started with

[06:26:15]

Dagmar:

nv41

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hello_man:

i was able to play nicely with mythtvlive cd

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simcop2387:

hmm

[06:26:39]

hello_man:

byt I wasn't getting audio wiht that

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simcop2387:

strange

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hello_man:

so I installed everything myself and compiled as well

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reeddler:

so look in there and see what driver its using

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simcop2387:

might be some other setup issue, but i'm too sleepy to help, there should be someone here that can help

[06:27:22]

reeddler:

btw... u trying to playback regular recording? or digital/HD?

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siXy:

choppy video can be caused by bad audio settings too. can you type glxinfo and post output to pastebin for me?

[06:28:08]

robbins876:

siXy, or more importantly that damn modules section

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reeddler:

check this link on nvidia: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/XvMC

[06:28:13]

robbins876:

do you have compiz running?

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reeddler:

hello_man, dat waz for u

[06:28:47]

hello_man:

thanks reeddler.

[06:28:52]

hello_man:

I am at that link right now :)

[06:29:11]

hello_man:

it seems nvidia 8756 is best suited for now

[06:29:19]

hello_man:

I installed 8776 (latest)

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xris:

hello_man: the beta gives you nice hardware composite support

[06:29:55]

siXy:

hello_man: if you run glxinfo and post the output of that (or even better glxinfo -v), then i can tell you if your graphics card is working.

[06:30:36]

siXy:

if it isnt then #suse is probably your best bet. if it is working, then we can try things like XvMC

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** xris curses mysql's fulltext search and mythlogbot's inability to return the results he wants **

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hello_man:

siXy, i tried xvMC.

[06:31:00]

hello_man:

I think its my setup and xorg conf.

[06:31:10]

hello_man:

as with nvidia driver, my fonts are too small to read as well.

[06:31:17]

robbins876:

siXy, is it possible to get compiz to work in KDE or is that mainly a gnome thing?

[06:31:22]

siXy:

:) mysql can be a pita lots of the time

[06:31:26]

hello_man:

what distro do you use siXy

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siXy:

robbins876: i would leave it to gnome tbh – there are some graphics glitches with running it on kde atm.

[06:32:00]

xris:

robbins876: works fine in kde

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robbins876:

xris, how do you enable it?

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siXy:

hello_man: i use lots of different distros. i have used suse at one point, but not right atm

[06:32:21]

hello_man:

which one do you like?

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xris:

robbins876: in fc6, I just run desktop-effects and turn it on

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xris:

kde 3.5.x supposedly has native support for the workspaces, too, since compiz normally confuses the multi-desktop setup in both gnome and kde.

[06:33:25]

robbins876:

xris, i got it loaded, but when i closed the terminal, all of my tool bars went away

[06:33:26]

robbins876:

damnit

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siXy:

hello_man: it depends what im dong. for low-maint web servers i use centos a lot, for computers that get used by people other than me, ubuntu, for general useage fedora and for highly customised installs gentoo

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robbins876:

i imagine those are the glitches you are talking about, siXy?

[06:34:11]

xris:

hello_man: are you new to linux?

[06:34:39]

xris:

robbins876: yeah, I've had weird stuff like the WM not kicking in properly and having no title bars on any of my windows

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siXy:

there are lots of minor ones ive seen reported. things like edges of windows, strange blenging effects right through to gnome/kde theme clashes. fedora is really a gnome distribution, particuarly fc6

[06:36:16]

xris:

yeah

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xris:

I usually use gnome, but it's been annoying me lately so I switched to kde the other day

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** xris is not particularly happy with fc6 in general, though **

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siXy:

i wish gnome came with konsole, konqueror and kwrite, but its really not worth the battle to use kde on fedora most of the time

[06:37:41]

siXy:

xris: why?

[06:37:51]

xris:

too many beta apps

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xris:

gaim, pan, etc

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xris:

no 64 bit amarok

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xris:

tbird conflicts with the enigmail plugin (which I need for work and to properly interact with other fedora extras people)

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xris:

among other things

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robbins876:

guess i'm switching to gnome... so long KDE

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robbins876:

is there really a noticeable performance difference for myth between the two?

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xris:

robbins876: kde vs gnome?

[06:39:07]

robbins876:

yeah

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siXy:

im still amused at the quantity of serious bugs that made it into fc6 final.. the anaconda arch bug is a classic :)

[06:39:14]

xris:

probably not. I'd personally run myth in something more lightweight, though

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robbins876:

this is my desktop in my room

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robbins876:

that i use for a tv at night

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xris:

robbins876: then you won't really notice a difference

[06:39:38]

robbins876:

alright

[06:39:50]

robbins876:

brb, going over to gnome... can i use ksirc in gnome?

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siXy:

robbins876: either are really far too heavy for myth. if you want to use a wm, use one of the boxes (black, ice, flux) or xfce. better yet dont use a wm.

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robbins876:

siXy, like i said, this is my everyday desktop

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robbins876:

i use it for a tv when i'm in bed

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xris:

siXy: you really do need a WM for myth..

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siXy:

why?

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xris:

otherwise you get focus issues, especially with mythvideo, etc.

[06:41:35]

siXy:

if you mean lirc focus, i have a custom re-written lirc that isnt affected by focus issues

[06:41:43]

robbins876:

my tool bars just came back for no reason!

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Dagmar:

lirc is leet like that

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siXy:

which im in the process of re-packaging so that i can share it with all you lovely people :)

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xris:

no, I mean "play video" and it plays behind the current window because if you don't have a WM, there's nothing to bring it to the foreground

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siXy:

xris: thats workroundable. but yes its not the easiest solution

[06:43:03]

xris:

easier to just install a WM

[06:43:35]

siXy:

yes. i just hate waiting for my tv to boot :)

[06:43:45]

xris:

mine stays on all the time.

[06:43:50]

xris:

but it's also my backend.

[06:43:57]

xris:

and I don't "watch tv" with mythtv.

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siXy:

mine crashes often, due to some highly flaky stuff i have running on it so boot time is important. besides every now and then my little girl switches it off before we can stop her :/

[06:44:53]

xris:

heh

[06:45:03]

xris:

I don't have that problem (yet).

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siXy:

just you wait :P

[06:46:22]

reeddler:

why would checking lossless transcode result in a segfault

[06:46:51]

xris:

reeddler: some mpeg2 files confuse the mpeg2 transcoder.

[06:47:00]

xris:

or did the frontend itself segfault?

[06:47:11]

reeddler:

just mythtranscode

[06:47:24]

xris:

yeah, that just happens sometimes.

[06:47:32]

reeddler:

k

[06:47:36]

xris:

Geoff has been messing with it in svn recently, though.

[06:48:32]

reeddler:

what's a workaround? just play w/compression setting so it doesnt really compress just removes the breaks?

[06:48:52]

xris:

it's gotten a bit more reliable in the last few weeks.

[06:49:02]

xris:

reeddler: you can't transcode TO mpeg2 with mythtv.

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xris:

it's either lossless or mpeg4.

[06:49:15]

reeddler:

k

[06:49:22]

reeddler:

mpeg4 is fine

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xris:

if your file breaks mythtv, you're out of luck for that file.

[06:49:35]

xris:

or just do what I do and use nuvexport to export to avi or h264

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reeddler:

heh.. I have a file that breaks nuvexport (mythtranscode part)

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xris:

damn, that's no good

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robbins876:

little bit of a problem in gnome... when i load myth, it doesn't take over the entire screen... i still have the top and bottom bars on the screen

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reeddler:

xris, i get those files whenever I'm using "Defauilt" recording profile

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xris:

robbins876: that hasn't happened in gnome in forever

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xris:

reeddler: what kind of tuner card?

[06:51:18]

reeddler:

vs. High Q or Low Q

[06:51:21]

reeddler:

Firewire

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robbins876:

well, it's happening now!

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xris:

reeddler: strange. quality settings shouldn't matter for firewire

[06:51:56]

reeddler:

i know

[06:52:10]

reeddler:

had to create a custom profile group to fix that

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robbins876:

could it be compiz causing the problems?

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xris:

robbins876: could be

[06:53:49]

robbins876:

turned off desktop effects and it's working fine

[06:53:58]

xris:

that's good to know, I guess

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mchou:

hehe

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robbins876:

damnit... why?! why can't everything love compiz the way that I do?

[06:54:26]

mchou:

compiz just suck cycles

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robbins876:

?

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xris:

mchou: but it's pretty. heh

[06:54:48]

robbins876:

very pretty

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siXy:

the processing requirements for compiz+livetv would be high.

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xris:

and shouldn't suck too many cycles. it's not like my gpu is very busy.

[06:55:10]

reeddler:

fluxbox

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robbins876:

it was playing livetv without problems... just had the gnome bars

[06:56:18]

robbins876:

is it possible to make a key stroke bring up the desktop effects thing?

[06:56:43]

robbins876:

wrong chan, sorry

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reeddler:

well.. now that i now losseless aint working... at least I can go to bed and RIP... will check the src out myself as well

[06:57:55]

reeddler:

nite all

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** xris pokes Juski **

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** ivor wonders if Juski slept on the couch. **

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** xris wonders if it'd be worth coding daylight savings time handling into mythweb **

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xris:

esp. since I have something scheduled to record at 2 am

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charlieS:

can you tell myth to output to >1 device? I have "ALSA:default" now, but I want "ALSA:spdif" too.

[07:05:33]

Dagmar:

xris: Well, too late now

[07:05:42]

xris:

Dagmar: still midnight where I am

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charlieS:

maybe I should figure out how to make the alsa default become "both" ?

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** charlieS notes that it's midnight here **

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xris:

charlieS: should be able to configure the default output device

[07:06:05]

charlieS:

xris: I want 2, though.

[07:06:10]

xris:

no clue, sorry

[07:06:14]

charlieS:

:)

[07:06:25]

charlieS:

are you N or S west coast?

[07:06:28]

xris:

haven't even bothered figuring out how to get optical running

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xris:

charlieS: seattle

[07:06:45]

charlieS:

cool! /me is in portland

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robbins876:

hey, is it possible to get file browsing in gnome to function more like in KDE? So everytime i click on a directory it doesn't open a new pane, etc...

[07:07:04]

charlieS:

robbins876: yea, there's settings for that.

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ivor:

robbins876: just use KDE.

[07:07:09]

xris:

robbins876: yeah. there's a prefs setting somewhere for it

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** xris wonders what kind of cable he'd need to buy for optical spdif **

[07:08:42]

charlieS:

HD

[07:08:42]

ivor:

optical cable? :)

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xris:

and if it's worth bothering to hook up, given that the optical port is on the FRONT of his pundit.

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charlieS:

oh.. the cable. yea, just an optical spdif. :)

[07:09:30]

xris:

like this one? http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp . . . 2&style=

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siXy:

ther is no quality advantage to optical over coax as long as you use decent cables.

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Neeesat25:

Juski are you around?

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ivor:

xris: yup

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mchou:

siXy: yes there is. Length :)

[07:10:21]

ivor:

Neeesat25: he's probably asleep.

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xris:

Neeesat25: I've been poking at him for awhile with no result

[07:10:27]

Neeesat25:

Oh

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ivor:

7am here

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Neeesat25:

Do you using nvidia?

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mchou:

ivor: where is here?

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siXy:

is said _quality_ :) plus optical cable is a lot more delicate than coax

[07:11:08]

ivor:

mchou: england.

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xris:

siXy: just using standard headphone->rca at the moment

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xris:

but I doubt my speakers are good enough to tell, either.

[07:11:24]

mchou:

siXy: quality has to do with length in copper

[07:11:33]

ivor:

Neeesat25: occasionally. what's the problem.

[07:11:49]

mchou:

ivor: you guys move to DST or whatever yet?

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Neeesat25:

Do you have any configuration for xorg.cong for TV-out?

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Neeesat25:

xorg.conf

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mchou:

ivor: daylight saving

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siXy:

mchou: as long as you are getting a decent (and by decent i mean at least £25) cable unless you are using lengths in excess of 5m there will not be any difference

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mchou:

siXy: yeah, but there is still a length limitation

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mchou:

siXy: which you didnt qualify in your original response

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ivor:

mchou: yup. off BST back to GMT this morning.

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siXy:

limitless pedantisim is not an admirable quality.

[07:15:07]

mchou:

I dont care how good the cables are, it's still got then length limitation

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lane:

man, that's weird, watching the irc timestamps go from 01:58am to 01:01am

[07:15:35]

mchou:

siXy: it's not pedantic at all

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mchou:

siXy: that is one of the reasons for optical

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siXy:

who on earth uses interconnects >5m?

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mchou:

plenty of ppl in the caase of HTPCs

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mchou:

case*

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mchou:

like computer in closet

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siXy:

^^

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robbins876:

anyone here use gnome?

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ivor:

nah why would anyone use gnome?

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robbins876:

how do you make the windows function more like KDE, where when you click on a directory it doesn't open an entirely new window

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ivor:

some mysterious hidden gconf setting no doubt, because why would users be allowed to change settings that the developers have chosen for you.

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mchou:

bwahahaha!!

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mchou:

ivor: surely you're joking :)

[07:23:20]

ivor:

of course, if you use KDE you'll get KDE window behaviour. :D

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robbins876:

are you serious, there's no easy way to do it?

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mchou:

robbins876: you better off asking on #gnome

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ivor:

or using KDE

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siXy:

robbins876: there is an option in one of the system menus i think

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siXy:

its buried shomewhere in layers of gui. no idea where it is in gconf, but a bit of searching might reveal it there too.

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ivor:

robbins876: a quick google later....

[07:26:17]

ivor:

"spatial gnome gconf" reveals apart from a thousand docs by gnome developers saying that you'd be stupid to turn the option off.....

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ivor:

you want "gconf-editor"

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ivor:

/apps/nautilus/preferences remove "always_use_browser"

[07:28:15]

ivor:

or you could just use KDE.

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robbins876:

is there a way to hide the bars in gnome... the top and bottom bars, i meana

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mchou:

lol

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mchou:

we just went thru this

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ivor:

robbins876: I think at this point you want #gnome

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mchou:

ivor: bingo!

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ivor:

btw if you don't like any of the gnome look and feel and want it to behave and look like KDE.... why on earth are you using gnome??????

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mchou:

ivor: that's if gnome devs dont kick him off for asking gnome to behave like kde :)

[07:32:03]

mchou:

ivor: maybe that's why robbins876 is here asking us instead :)

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mchou:

wow

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mchou:

dude was einstein

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** ivor is tempted to join #gnome to see how he gets on... **

[07:38:21]

mchou:

ivor: nah. think he might have disconnected altogether

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mchou:

ivor: meaningless pursuit

[07:39:12]

ivor:

he probably changed the setting in gnome and the devs default behaviour is probably to reset the machine to punish you

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mchou:

haha!!

[07:39:27]

ivor:

stupid gnome

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mchou:

ivor: that mean gnome committed suicide :)

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mchou:

ivor: even gnome devs arent that stupid :)

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ivor:

no comment

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mchou:

that imply you cant boot into gnome ever again :)

[07:41:15]

mchou:

rather fault intolerant :)

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Ediehow:

hi

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Ediehow:

anyone using lirc w/mythtv?

[08:06:50]

Ediehow:

all my myth stuff works with it, but i am trying to use irexec for the epg button and nothing happens

[08:07:02]

Ediehow:

irexec for the power button works, though, and irw shows EPG being pressed

[08:07:32]

Ediehow:

ohh

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Ediehow:

n/m

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Juski:

morning all

[08:15:19]

ivor:

hey

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Juski:

ivor: I fixed it

[08:15:36]

Juski:

I dunno what was wrong though

[08:15:40]

ivor:

ah

[08:16:47]

Juski:

but I did learn a valuable lesson... I think I really need to upgrade to get the gradual file deletion in 0.20 ;)

[08:18:25]

ivor:

.19? sheesh, get with the programme.

[08:18:51]

Juski:

yeah, I know

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Captain_Murdoch:

Juski: if you do, make sure you turn it on since it is optional and off by default. :)

[08:19:26]

Juski:

righto.. thanks

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ivor:

Juski: what filesystem are you on?

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Juski:

ext3

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ivor:

hmmm, didn't notice any problem with big deletes on reiser

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Juski:

I don't _have_ to be on ext3 when I move to ubuntu though, which is what I'll be doing when I do the upgrade

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Juski:

ah. the recordings partition still has about 150GB of stuff on it so I'd need to move that around to change fs

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Juski:

and apparently mythtv gets to stay after all.. someone realised that out of all the recording mythtv does, when the recording fails because the cable box has crashed, that's hardly mythtv's fault ;)

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Rongo:

When I try to play a DVD, the screen goes black for a second, then returns me to the menu. How can I find out what is happenign wrong?

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Juski:

Rongo: could be that the dvd is encrypted and you don't have the library you need to be able to play encrypted DVDs installed

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Juski:

try playing the DVD outside of mythtv first, with xine for example, and see if it works

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** Juski wishes for a wristwatch that can use NTP **

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Rongo:

Heres a paste of the output from the frontend when I try to play it: http://sial.org/pbot/20725

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Juski:

Rongo: your system doesn't support encrypted DVDs

[08:42:39]

Rongo:

Ah.

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Rongo:

is there a nice tutorial on how to do that?

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Juski:

depends on which distro you use

[08:44:21]

Rongo:

debian

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Neeesat25:

Goodmorning

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Dagmar:

You need libdvdcss, and beyond that we really can't ssay

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Rongo:

alrighty. thanks

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Neeesat25:

Juski: I have installed one gforce 4 mx440 128MB that I had from the past

[08:46:54]

Juski:

Rongo: this might help: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=9222 . . . 17cbc0cdeb7a

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Juski:

Neeesat25: okay

[08:47:06]

Neeesat25:

How can I get tv-out Svideo? What setting I need in xorg.conf?

[08:47:21]

Juski:

Neeesat25: read the nvidia driver README :)

[08:47:26]

Neeesat25:

hmm

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Juski:

it's a topic that's very well covered elsewhere too

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Rongo:

Perfect. That worked. thanks. Its playing now :-)

[08:48:54]

Juski:

time for breakfast I think. If I'm gonna be upgrading today I'll need sustenance ;)

[08:49:12]

Rongo:

whats the bash/sh equivalent to the tcsh: "foo >& bar"?

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dtm:

Rongo: it'd be handy to know what that does.

[08:50:11]

Rongo:

redirect stdin and stdout from foo into the file bar

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dtm:

Rongo: redirect all output including stdout/stderr/etc? 'foo &> bar'

[08:50:33]

dtm:

i tend to use it for "foo &> /dev/stdout | less"

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Rongo:

thats bash and sh friendly? I thought there were '1's and '2's involved.

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dtm:

it's bash-friendly

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dtm:

if you just want sh, then just say sh

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mcquaid:

i'd like for osd consistency at least to use the internal player for videos

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Rongo:

"whats the bash/sh equivalent..."

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dtm:

Rongo: yeah, so what i said stands

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mcquaid:

i assume it's using ffplay, ffplay doesn't seem to have an option to zoom up on videos, does mplayer have a zoom hotkey when playing back videos?

[08:53:07]

dtm:

"what's the sh equivalent..."

[08:53:22]

dtm:

a forward slash is not a part of speech

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Rongo:

thats why I am typing... not speaking.

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dtm:

so you'd need to specify that it doesn't mean "inexclusive or" or whatever

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Dagmar:

If you absolutely MUST have numbers, you can use 2>&1

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Rongo:

Dagmar: ah.. thats it. thanks much

[08:54:53]

Rongo:

"foo 2>&1 > bar" seems to be what I was looking for. gracias

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Captain_Murdoch:

I think you need the "> bar" before the "2>&1"

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Rongo:

Ah.. youre right. thanks

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Juski:

mcquaid: pretty sure you can zoom in mythtv, though why would you'd want to do that I don't know

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Juski:

there are plenty of different aspect ratio fill-screen options aswell

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Dagmar:

Fill-with-pudding is my favorite.

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Dagmar:

Almost as good is fill-with-creamcheese

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Juski:

right.. backed up my database.. time to copy all my minimyth config files across

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dtm:

Dagmar: well said

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Juski:

mmkay... time to shut down the backend & do the HDD transplant

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Juski:

okay. just done svn update in the dir the source is... what's best to do next? make distclean ?

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Juski:

sod it. just doing 'make' then 'sudo make install' instead. should be fine I think

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Dagmar:

Yech

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Dagmar:

I dunno about that

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Dagmar:

Stale object files can be very sneaky

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Juski:

well... any other suggestions?

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Dagmar:

make clean

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Juski:

and then what.. ./configure, qmake, then make, then make install ?

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Dagmar:

What are you compiling?

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Juski:

0.20-fixes

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Juski:

just done svn update

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Dagmar:

Well, ./configure --lots-and-lots-of-options, and then qmake mythtv.pro

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Dagmar:

...then make install

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Juski:

yup

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Dagmar:

I'm lazy. I use scripts

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Dagmar:

This way I don't have to sit around scraatching my head like you're doing now. ;)

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ivor:

Juski: make distclean, configure, make

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Juski:

I never plan to do this very often

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ivor:

configure calls qmake

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Juski:

really? heh

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ivor:

if you went from 19 to 20, distclean is a very good idea

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Juski:

this is a different box... already had 0.20-fixes but was old-ish

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ivor:

as is svn-clean

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ivor:

ah ok

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Juski:

not had any comments about the expo report yet whatsoever.. expected to at least have had someone acknowledge they'd read it on the lists

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ivor:

i read it.

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Juski:

what did you think?

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ivor:

fine, I was expecting more feature requests.

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ivor:

didnt anyone complain about music?

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Juski:

no, nobody did

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ivor:

must be perfect then

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Juski:

though I think there were more people there who'd never heard of mythtv than people who'd tried (and failed) to install it

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ivor:

cecil didn't seem very happy.

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Juski:

he wasn't

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ivor:

what was wrong?

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Juski:

london, for one thing

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ivor:

? weird. london? or olymipa?

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Juski:

london in general

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ivor:

oh dear

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Juski:

he said he'd found the public to be very rude

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ivor:

well they are.

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Juski:

actually used the word 'depressing' too

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ivor:

should have taken him to the science museum

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Juski:

I told him I'm not a fan of the 'big smoke' either

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ivor:

it has its merits.

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Juski:

it's sad that the first experience of a place could leave such a bad impression though

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ivor:

yup

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Dagmar:

Take him to Cardiff

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Juski:

I think he was also concerned that for just about everyone we'd spoken to – the ones who'd tried & given up setting mythtv up – they'd not even tried knoppmyth

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ivor:

Dagmar: yeah, that'll make london look better.

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ivor:

Juski: how many cd's did he give out?

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Juski:

over 50

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ivor:

not bad.

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Juski:

he could've charged for them too – people always asked how much they were

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ivor:

got through 500 kubuntu cds.

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ivor:

he should have asked for a token amount to cover costs.

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ivor:

no-one would have a problem with that.

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Juski:

it wasa little weird in that respect, the expo. I'm not sure some of the people there are well up on the open source philosophy

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Dagmar:

I've been known to tell people "Five magic beans"

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ivor:

Juski: I had many "but why do you do it lalks"

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Juski:

referring to our booth as 'you guys marketing a product'

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Dagmar:

...the other thing that convinces people you're not up to something by giving out free Linux CDs is if you tell them point blank "It's because I'm sick and tired of hearing about people's pathetic little Windows problems."

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Juski:

I mean in a way were _were_ marketing it.. just not 'selling'

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ivor:

marketing a dream...

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Juski:

s/were/we

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Juski:

it was all interesting anyway. we did really well for a first showing :)

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Juski:

ivor did you get many people who didn't know what KDE is ?

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ivor:

no not really.

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Dagmar:

It's what the people who aren't getting viruses are using.

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ivor:

had a fair few come up to say they didn't like it and used gnome instead

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Dagmar:

Oh those BARSTARDS

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Juski:

yeah well I'm gonna be finding out how to change from gnome on this box as soon as I have myth working

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ivor:

:)

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Juski:

should be easy enough I figure

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ivor:

how were the badge sales?

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mirak:

hi

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mirak:

does compiling mythtv from svn gives all the plugins ,

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mirak:

?

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ivor:

no

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ivor:

you need to checkout and compile mythplugins too

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mirak:

but it can be done separately ?

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mirak:

the normal compile gives the front and backend only ?

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Juski:

ivor: sold enough to buy a round on Wednesday night :)

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ivor:

how interchangeable are laptop lcd's (from different mfrs)?

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Juski:

ivor: depends on the manufacturers & whose panel they use

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ivor:

is the wiring protocol any kind of standard like vga?

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Juski:

not sure if it's any kind of standard

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ivor:

time to experiment...

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Juski:

the ones I've seen different from the others I've seen quite a bit

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Juski:

s/different/differred

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Juski:

right.. that's myth compiled.. with all the plugins

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mirak:

?--------- ? ? ? ? ? /var/cache/apt/archives/partial

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mirak:

how can I have this when doing an ls on my reiserfs / ?

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ivor:

ooh, we've had this question before.

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ivor:

now what the feck was it

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Juski:

hmm I could get to like these IPPR guys... "But it is not the music industry's job to decide what rights consumers have that is the job of government."

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Juski:

upgrading to schema version 1153 seems to be taking a while...

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Juski:

aha :)

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Juski:

worky worky!

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ivor:

love myth long time?

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Juski:

oof. livetv not worky

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mirak:

there are no debian rules in myththv sources ?

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Juski:

mythfrontend is saying that all availabe recording inputs are being used.. and they ain't.. time to check mythtv-setup

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ivor:

mirak: no

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Juski:

could not open card #0 subtype.. foo.. something I can't read...

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mirak:

why aren't the distro control script almost never included to upstream ?

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ivor:

?

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Juski:

uh-oh. dvb tuner drivers haven't loaded

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Juski:

these were working last time

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Juski:

holy wow... WARNING: Error inserting cx88xx (/lib/modules/2.6.15-23–386/kernel/drivers/media/video/cx88/cx88xx.ko): Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg)

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Juski:

weird. these were _so_ working a few weeks ago

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Juski:

bah.. cx88xx: disagrees about version of symbol tveeprom_hauppauge_analog. bloody ivtv

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Dagmar:

mirak: Because every distro starts their stuff up differently

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Dagmar:

Juski: Are you using 2.6.18 or something?

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Dagmar:

No wait, nevermind. Silly question.

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Juski:

Dagmar: 2.6.15–23

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Juski:

I suspect some kernel-fu is in order

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mirak:

Dagmar: ok, but if they are provided to you as patchs ?

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Dagmar:

Yeah,

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Juski:

and I just _love_ doing manual kernel mangling in ubuntu

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ivor:

mirak: there are a selection of start scripts in the contrib directory.

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ivor:

why is ivtv such a dogs dinner?

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** Juski thinks for a bit **

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Juski:

ivor: because it's _almost_ in the kernel but not quite

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Juski:

though it's always been a bit troublesome if you had other cards that used the modules ivtv had adapted for themselves

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Juski:

something Jono Bacon knows only too well

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ivor:

just always seems to be a constant stream of "bloody ivtv" comments.

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Juski:

it's always us awkward buggers who mix tuners up

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Dagmar:

mirak: Have you *looked* at the sheer number of Linux distros out there?

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Dagmar:

mirak: People would very quickly have 100+ dinky little scripts cluttering up their stuff if everyone's init scripts got packaged in

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Neeesat25:

Juski: What is the recomended resolution for tv out for PAL?

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Juski:

oh god. I think this might be down to me still needing to move the ivtv tuner module out of the way when I installed ivtv first of all. I think I'm now going to have to get rid of ivtv for the time being & reinstall it

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ivor:

720x576

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Juski:

Neeesat25: as close to 720x576 as you can get

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BULLE:

Neeesat25: 768x576

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Neeesat25:

Oh Thanks

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Juski:

never had to uninstall a kernel module before, specifically not ivtv anyway

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scopeuk:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6095612.stm yay now if only it had a cat in hells chance of going through

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Juski:

indeed

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scopeuk:

welcome to the uk island for corperate investment in govermence beta

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Juski:

now wtf did I put ivtv when I downloaded its source....

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BULLE:

Neeesat25: square pixel size for pal is 768x576, and that is what your tv card will dump for you, pal dvds use 720x576 though, but they get "stretched" up to the screens 768x576

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Neeesat25:

I have put that as modes in xorg.conf but still the quality is low

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Neeesat25:

I think I am going to need a better card

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Neeesat25:

I use Nvidia GF4 mx 440 128MB

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BULLE:

Neeesat25: what exactly do you mean with "quality is low" ?

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Juski:

ivtv 0.4.6 is for kernel 2.6.15 yes?

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Neeesat25:

like out of focus

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Neeesat25:

not so clear picture

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Juski:

I also need to be able to re-get all my original kernel modules. anyone know how to do that in ubuntu?

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Juski:

or is it just a case of configuring the kernel config & making modules & installing em?

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Juski:

what?! i2c bit banging is disabled in menuconfig & I can't enable it

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Neeesat25:

Is there anywere so I can post my pictures to see what I mean?

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ivor:

Juski: if you've got a standard ubuntu installation and just want the shipped kernel, you probably just want to re-install the kernel packages.

[11:38:08]

ivor:

Neeesat25: pastebin.ca

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Juski:

ivor: so sudo apt-get install kernel-image ?

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ivor:

Neeesat25: oops I meant imageshack!

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Juski:

kerne-package, even :)

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ivor:

brain in gear.

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ivor:

Juski: --reinstall

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Juski:

doh

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Juski:

I have to up sticks & leave this for a while soon

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ivor:

in fact... "--reinstall install" strangely.

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Juski:

still, I have the old hdd to fall back on if I run short of time

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Juski:

gonna try using packages for ivtv if there are any this time

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Neeesat25:

Here it is: http://img91.imageshack.us/my.php?image=livetvpz0.jpg

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Juski:

Neeesat25: how does the mythtv gui look though?

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Neeesat25:

I will post a new image

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Juski:

I bet you're only using the default recording profile with your tuner... if you have a pvr card, increase the recording resolution in the 'livetv' profile

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Juski:

first time I saw my pvr150 card in myth I was appalled ;)

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Neeesat25:

here it is: http://img101.imageshack.us/my.php?image=livetv2jj4.jpg

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Juski:

looks like it's more like 640x480 than anything else

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ivor:

Neeesat25: you displaying to an LCD screen?

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Juski:

yeah looks like the display is doing a (as they usually do) nasty scaling job

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Juski:

lcd tvs with svideo inputs look like crap IMHO

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Neeesat25:

no on a tv

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RaYmAn-Bx:

it's too bad there are so relatively few lcd tv's with dvi input and 1:1 pixel mapping :/

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Juski:

check your X log to find out what res it's _actually_ running at

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Neeesat25:

TV card

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Juski:

oh bum. ubuntu needs to check my other HDDs

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BULLE:

RaYmAn-Bx: yeah, its a bit wierd that they dont just support 1:1 pixelmapping, i mean, any computer screen supports it, so its not like the electronics is hard to get hold of

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Juski:

the scalers they tend to use in plasma & lcds are generally shite – hence the need for $$$$ gear made by the likes of Extron in some people's eyes

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scopeuk:

why whould they wanna kill thier own market

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Juski:

the tv set makers are pumping out progressive displays yet broadcasters are still interlacing

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scopeuk:

you put high quality scalers i nthe box there is no use for an after market scaller

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Dagmar:

Weird.

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Dagmar:

I've not really run into any problems setting the output on cards to match 1:1 the resolution of dergangged LCD panels

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Dagmar:

s/dergangged/deranged/;

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RaYmAn-Bx:

Dagmar: have you tested that it's actually 1:1 pixelmapping and that it doesn't scale?

[11:50:59]

Dagmar:

RaYmAn-Bx: Yeah, it's pretty easy when it involves a 45" plasma

[11:51:11]

Dagmar:

All you have to do is pull up a test pattern and look closely at it. :)

[11:51:26]

RaYmAn-Bx:

iirc only some cheap lcd tv's and LG tv's usually support 1:1..and perhaps some plasma :)

[11:51:33]

** ivor notes that 45" plasma isn't an lcd panel. **

[11:51:54]

Dagmar:

This office has nothing but panel displays

[11:51:57]

Juski:

weirdness. rebooted, and the stuff all seems ok again

[11:52:05]

ivor:

Juski: celebrate

[11:52:42]

Juski:

scan now works again

[11:52:45]

Dagmar:

Also keep in mind a lot of the cheap-ass LCD TVs that claim to support HD actually just downsample everything to freaking 480p

[11:52:47]

Juski:

trying mplayer

[11:53:30]

Neeesat25:

In xorg.o.log I see at the tail of the file: (II) NVIDIA(0): Setting mode "1024x768"

[11:53:35]

Juski:

and this time my pvr150 has come up as /dev/video2

[11:53:41]

Juski:

WEIRD

[11:53:56]

Juski:

ach well. I'll see to this when I get back

[11:54:19]

BULLE:

Dagmar: dont you have hd-ready markings ?

[11:54:24]

Dagmar:

Neeesat25: Is that a problem for you?

[11:54:31]

Imaginativeone:

I have my hardware...now what?

[11:54:35]

Dagmar:

BULLE: Me? Huh?

[11:54:45]

BULLE:

Dagmar: on lcd tvs

[11:54:50]

Juski:

it could be a display with a res of 128x128 & still be 'HD ready' by the 'HD ready' rationale ;)

[11:54:52]

Dagmar:

I haven't bothered to buy one.

[11:55:01]

Dagmar:

I got a pretty nice deal on a 29" tube TV

[11:55:02]

BULLE:

Juski: no

[11:55:14]

Dagmar:

I liked to never got the damn thing home, but I have it now.

[11:55:18]

Juski:

I thought it just means "will accept" HD

[11:55:20]

BULLE:

Juski: it needs to have a physical resolution of atleast 720 lines

[11:55:23]

Dagmar:

I suspect I'll have to buy my own landfill to get rid of it

[11:55:24]

Neeesat25:

Dagmar: The quality is low

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BULLE:

Juski: and it needs to accept hdcp content

[11:55:39]

BULLE:

Juski: and some other requirements

[11:55:43]

Dagmar:

Neeesat25: okay so what type of display are you using?

[11:55:49]

Juski:

yeah I know there's that, but didn't know about the minimum lines bit

[11:56:17]

Dagmar:

The displays that really do 1080p cost a goddamn fortune. :/

[11:56:23]

Juski:

1080i is what... 540p when deinterlaced... so scaling that to a 720p display... eew

[11:56:26]

Neeesat25:

It's a Hauppauge 250 TV card but thats for test before I tranfer it to my TVset 32" flat

[11:56:38]

Juski:

anyway time to go move someone's phone socket

[11:56:47]

Neeesat25:

Flat screen

[11:57:08]

Dagmar:

Neesat: Well, you can set it to 640x480 if you want it to match very closely what the output is going to be, but I'd leave it outputting 1024x768 personally.

[11:57:32]

Dagmar:

Unless your TV really supports something impressive in the way of HD.

[11:57:36]

Dagmar:

Is it an SD TV?

[11:57:51]

Neeesat25:

yes

[11:58:06]

Neeesat25:

But the image looks out of focus

[11:58:06]

Dagmar:

Then realistically 640x480 is about the best your going to get from it.

[11:58:36]

Dagmar:

Setting it to 800x600 will get you a slightly sharper image, but most of that's going to be due to fanciness and aliasing

[11:59:11]

Dagmar:

Remember, NTSC SD is broadcast with a whopping 525 scan lines, only like ~480 or so are actually used for video

[11:59:23]

Neeesat25:

If I use dxr3 card the output is better that the output of Nvidia I am currently using but I am not using dxr3 for mythtv

[11:59:59]

Dagmar:

*sigh*

[12:00:20]

Dagmar:

I got the 250 and 350 mixed up, thought you were outputting with the 250

[12:00:30]

Dagmar:

Set the nVidia card to 1024x768

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Neeesat25:

The quality is due to my Nvidia card not be as good?

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Dagmar:

English is a really cool language. You should learn it.

[12:03:07]

Neeesat25:

Dagmar did you see this image? http://img101.imageshack.us/my.php?image=livetv2jj4.jpg

[12:03:15]

Dagmar:

1. The DXR3 card is basically a specialized card meant specifically for TV output. Expect that it's quality is going to be exceptional.

[12:04:31]

Dagmar:

2. nVidia's card handles a LOT of stuff, but there's a whole lot of other things going on, and generally nVidia are *not* the people assembling the circuits used in the final stage of output. Quality _will_ vary. No-name nVidia cards are likely to have substandard output.

[12:04:44]

Dagmar:

That having been said, look at the "n" and the "d" and the "o" in Manage Recordings

[12:04:51]

Dagmar:

That's a screwball scaling issue.

[12:05:07]

Dagmar:

Set the output of your nVidia card to 1024x768 and it will clear up.

[12:05:31]

Dagmar:

What did you use to take that screenshot with anyway?

[12:06:19]

Neeesat25:

Hauppauge 250 software but thats how it looks

[12:06:27]

Dagmar:

Heck, if Qwest will stop breaking our upstream I'll push my xorg.conf from my MythTV box up

[12:06:44]

Dagmar:

So you're patching the S-video output back into the PVR card?

[12:06:55]

Dagmar:

That will actually make it look worse than it should.

[12:06:59]

Dagmar:

Annoying but it happens.

[12:07:17]

Neeesat25:

Just for testing before I tranfer the box to my TV

[12:07:30]

Dagmar:

Set the res on your output to 1024x768, the nVidia card will handle the downscaling, and plug that s-video into your TV.

[12:07:36]

Dagmar:

You will notice that the shearing will disappear.;

[12:07:53]

Dagmar:

I had the same dumbass thing happen to me when I was trying to get a clip of the page flipping problem with the new GL paint engin

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Neeesat25:

Ok I will Test it on my TV and see

[12:09:08]

Neeesat25:

Thanks

[12:09:12]

Dagmar:

If you look at http://dagmar.droplinegnome.org/experimental/xorg.conf-MythTV you'll see that I'm not really doing anything fancy

[12:09:38]

Dagmar:

LOL I just realized I still have the TV labeled after that chintzy little Emerson I got at Walmart for $100

[12:09:43]

Dagmar:

I still need to sell that to someone

[12:11:47]

Dagmar:

BTW, 'Option "ConnectedMonitor" "TV"' is something you'll want to put in yours to make sure the TV output actually works if you happen to boot up your Myth box without the TV being on

[12:12:08]

Dagmar:

It can't detect a TV that's not powered up, and so won't actually turn on the S-video output

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hydroksyde:

w00t

[12:37:54]

hydroksyde:

after several hours of playing with regular expressions

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hydroksyde:

I have something of an XMLTV grabber for new zealand

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amarelinho:

hi guys

[12:42:45]

amarelinho:

i from brasil

[12:43:01]

amarelinho:

not speak inglish very well

[12:46:01]

Dagmar:

Neither do a lot of the Americans.

[12:46:12]

amarelinho:

i am with problem to install mythtv in gentoo somone of the one helps?

[12:46:23]

hydroksyde:

Dagmar: lol

[12:46:41]

Dagmar:

We need to be told what the exact nature of the problem is.

[12:47:15]

amarelinho:

not qmake

[12:47:33]

hydroksyde:

perhaps

[12:47:36]

amarelinho:

hall install qmake?

[12:47:37]

hydroksyde:

you need to install qt?

[12:47:41]

amarelinho:

hum

[12:47:46]

hydroksyde:

qmake is part of qt

[12:47:47]

amarelinho:

but a install

[12:47:49]

amarelinho:

hum

[12:47:58]

hydroksyde:

I don't use gentoo

[12:48:01]

amarelinho:

a try e to speack

[12:48:04]

hydroksyde:

so I couldn't help with that

[12:48:10]

amarelinho:

a try

[12:48:12]

amarelinho:

moment

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Dagmar:

Let me try another approach... What is the _exact_ error message you're getting?

[12:50:17]

Dagmar:

...and what are you typing that makes it happen?

[12:51:42]

amarelinho:

qmake command not found

[12:51:55]

Dagmar:

Okay. That's pretty straightforward. Just a sec while I look up something

[12:51:57]

amarelinho:

last line configure

[12:52:04]

amarelinho:

ok

[12:52:11]

Dagmar:

Do you have Qt installed?

[12:52:54]

Dagmar:

The qmake binary *is* a part of Qt. Hopefully no distributions are packaging it as part of Qt-devel, but it's possible.

[12:53:20]

amarelinho:

ok

[12:53:26]

amarelinho:

a install qt now

[12:53:29]

amarelinho:

thanks

[12:53:43]

Dagmar:

Okay man you really need to try to read the documentation on building MythTV.

[12:53:52]

Dagmar:

Otherwise, I predict you will get finished sometime in Mid November.

[12:53:57]

Dagmar:

Lemme pull up the link

[12:54:37]

amarelinho:

Dagmar:

[12:54:44]

amarelinho:

a install qt 4

[12:54:52]

amarelinho:

hall problem?

[12:54:58]

amarelinho:

or need 3?

[12:55:02]

Dagmar:

http://www.mythtv.org/modules.php?name=MythInstall

[12:55:13]

hydroksyde:

3 I think

[12:55:22]

hydroksyde:

slackware includes 3

[12:55:25]

Dagmar:

I'm not entirely certain about whether or not it will work with Qt4, but I know for certain it will work with Qt 3.3.7

[12:55:30]

hydroksyde:

and thats what my box runs on

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amarelinho:

hydroksyde: hum thanks

[12:57:18]

amarelinho:

Dagmar: i see this page now

[12:57:30]

amarelinho:

sorry for my inglish

[12:57:36]

amarelinho:

poor inglish

[12:58:08]

Dagmar:

It should help you quite a bit.

[12:58:23]

Dagmar:

Feel free to come back here to ask for help if you run into anything else that doesn't go as it should.

[12:59:53]

amarelinho:

thanks again Dagmar

[13:00:10]

amarelinho:

i try her

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amarelinho:

Dagmar: you using slack?

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amarelinho:

10.2?

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hydroksyde:

11.0

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Dagmar:

amarelinho: Actually I am still using Slack 10.2, yes

[13:01:44]

hydroksyde:

err

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Dagmar:

Is that what you're using?

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** hydroksyde reads **

[13:02:02]

hydroksyde:

My mythtv box uses 11.0 RC5

[13:02:16]

hydroksyde:

because I had all sorts of issues with mythtv on 10.2

[13:02:32]

Dagmar:

I didn't.

[13:02:35]

hydroksyde:

and when 11.0 final came out, there wasn't anything updated that I cared for

[13:02:37]

Dagmar:

None i couldn't beat out of it

[13:02:42]

hydroksyde:

oh?

[13:02:45]

Dagmar:

I can probably make both your lives a bit easier

[13:02:59]

Dagmar:

http://dagmar.droplinegnome.org/mythtv/

[13:03:20]

Dagmar:

There's a libs/ subdir with a huge pile of codecs and other stuff.

[13:03:29]

hydroksyde:

I'll have a look

[13:03:41]

Dagmar:

I've got 0.20 in there as well as 0.20-fixes from SVN a few days ago, and a build of Qt-3.3.7 I haven't even had a chance to test yet

[13:04:00]

amarelinho:

Dagmar: not. i using gentoo

[13:04:01]

hydroksyde:

slackbuilds?

[13:04:20]

Dagmar:

hydroksyde: Those are Slackware packages. Quite installable.

[13:04:30]

hydroksyde:

I know

[13:04:38]

Dagmar:

...and since I'm a dropline geek, they all come with their build scripts, provided you've got the build engine installed.

[13:04:49]

hydroksyde:

but I don't trust packages that weren't made by either pat or me...

[13:04:49]

hydroksyde:

ah

[13:04:50]

hydroksyde:

I see

[13:05:10]

Dagmar:

Well, you can grab the build engine and extract the scripts from the tgz's.

[13:05:16]

hydroksyde:

ok then

[13:05:22]

Dagmar:

Just make sure you have MySQL installed before you build Qt.

[13:05:48]

hydroksyde:

that's an idea

[13:05:53]

Dagmar:

The build engine is at http://dagmar.droplinegnome.org/dbs/. Grab the high numbered tarball, and the dropline-functions.sh script (if it's there it means a minor update)

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Dagmar:

You'll wanna replace what's in the tarball with the dropline-functions.sh script that's outside the tarball, and I sign bloody everything so it can't really be tampered with

[13:07:01]

hydroksyde:

I see

[13:07:18]

Dagmar:

Anything that doesn't work (aside from lircd, it's not packageable in a sane way) just email me. My email is in every Changelog.Dropline file rot13'd

[13:07:58]

hydroksyde:

are you the dropline fellow?

[13:08:24]

Dagmar:

I'm not "the" dropline fellow. I'm one of more active ones and the guy who did the build engine over when Todd left

[13:08:39]

hydroksyde:

I see

[13:09:00]

Dagmar:

I mainly deal with Gimp, Evolution, Inkscape, and the crypto stuff for Dropline, as well as whatever else looks like it's in need of fixoring.

[13:09:37]

Dagmar:

Note that the Qt packages I've got up put Qt in /usr, not /opt. I very much do not agree with the use of /opt.

[13:09:46]

hydroksyde:

I see

[13:09:51]

Dagmar:

...but they should still be entirely compatible with Slackware's Qt package

[13:11:24]

Dagmar:

I'm definitely not a Gentoo user. My stuff is constructed carefully and sanely. ;)

[13:11:36]

hydroksyde:

lol

[13:11:59]

hydroksyde:

lol @ australia FAQ for americans

[13:12:22]

hydroksyde:

"Will I be able to speak english most places I go in australia?"

[13:12:33]

hydroksyde:

"Yes, but you'll have to learn it first"

[13:12:35]

Dagmar:

Heh. Probably "If you can actually speak English."

[13:12:39]

Dagmar:

Close enough

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Kelerion:

morning all

[13:45:40]

hydroksyde:

lo

[13:46:10]

Juski:

re

[13:46:19]

Juski:

hi Kelerion

[13:46:24]

** Kelerion waves **

[13:46:27]

Juski:

today is upgrade day!

[13:46:35]

Kelerion:

ubuntu?

[13:46:40]

Juski:

if my kernel decides to behave itself anyway...

[13:46:42]

Juski:

aye

[13:46:44]

Kelerion:

woohoo!

[13:46:53]

Kelerion:

another convert!

[13:46:56]

** Kelerion chuckles **

[13:47:08]

Juski:

this has been on the cards for ages & you know it ;)

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Kelerion:

yeah i know.. lol

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scopeuk:

Juski you going to edgy?

[13:48:11]

Juski:

nah

[13:48:15]

scopeuk:

good

[13:48:24]

Kelerion:

finally getting around to resetting up my channels at the moment

[13:48:25]

scopeuk:

becouse aparently the upgrade is a bitch and fucks over systems on a regular basis

[13:48:27]

Juski:

moving to KDE when myth is going though

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scopeuk:

yay i got the right program for my assessed java session

[13:49:20]

scopeuk:

gonna lose marks beocuse i dident know how to fully use the or operator in a strings comparison statement in an if statement

[13:49:21]

Kelerion:

erm..why? because you got the freebie tshirt from them? :P

[13:49:30]

Juski:

nope...

[13:49:39]

scopeuk:

kde is lovely

[13:49:46]

Kelerion:

well...each to their own... :)

[13:49:47]

scopeuk:

gnome always feels cold

[13:50:04]

Juski:

hrm

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** scopeuk admits he probably likes kde becouse its fairly similar to the windows interface hes use to **

[13:50:13]

Juski:

can't connect to the backend, but it's running.. weird

[13:50:19]

Kelerion:

ubuntu comes with gnome by default..and if it's a dedication box your not gonna play with.. don't see any reason for changing it...thats all :)

[13:50:25]

scopeuk:

have you tried sacrficing a goat?

[13:50:58]

mjelva:

god damn it. lirc worked fine yesterday. now that i've rebooted, i can't make it work again.

[13:50:59]

Juski:

oh you're supposed to _sacrifice_ the goat, not shag it...

[13:51:01]

mjelva:

what the fuck.

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scopeuk:

Juski lol

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mjelva:

Juski: can you think of any logical reason? i get a connection refused when i try to start irw, and lircd terminates. yesterday it worked like a charm. i had it configured and everything.

[13:51:42]

Kelerion:

Juski: no..thats a welsh tradition

[13:51:50]

Juski:

mjelva: trying to connect to the wrong device usually

[13:52:06]

Juski:

now if it's okay by everybody I'm gonna try & sort this bugger out

[13:52:14]

** Kelerion chuckles **

[13:52:26]

gbee:

the goat?

[13:52:31]

scopeuk:

Juski http://ua.tauniverse.com/forums/thread.php?threadid=2266 and scroll down a bit

[13:52:33]

Kelerion:

hey! gbee!

[13:52:38]

Kelerion:

how ya doin?

[13:52:39]

scopeuk:

or search for goat

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gbee:

Kelerion: fine, thanks for asking

[13:53:06]

Kelerion:

I ain't buying you no more pints.. full stop! :)

[13:53:11]

Kelerion:

but glad your on the mend :)

[13:53:17]

gbee:

heh

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Juski:

aha. mythbackend is trying to go for /dev/video0 & shitting its pants

[13:54:45]

Juski:

by some weird quirk of my dvb tuner modules, I get /dev/video$ for them as well as /dev/dvb/adapter$ for em

[13:56:12]

Juski:

hmmm. mythtv-setup says it's at /dev/video2 but when I run mythbackend it's going for /dev/video0 still. time to delete that card

[13:57:25]

scopeuk:

Juski remeber jsuki a sledge hammer gaurenties no further issues

[13:57:27]

mjelva:

http://pastebin.ca/227695

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mjelva:

perhaps one of you can make sense of this

[13:58:24]

Juski:

heheh. my starting channels are all bollocks as well

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Kelerion:

mjelva: you had that working yesterday

[13:59:34]

mjelva:

i know, Kelerion

[13:59:38]

mjelva:

that's why it annoys me so much

[13:59:43]

Kelerion:

so what did you do to break it?

[13:59:46]

mjelva:

okay. lirc_imon shows up when i modprobe -l

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mjelva:

Kelerion: rebooted

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** Kelerion chuckles **

[13:59:58]

mjelva:

serios

[14:00:15]

Kelerion:

I still bet your udev is knacking things up

[14:00:21]

mjelva:

how do i check?

[14:00:23]

amarelinho_off:

Dagmar: mythtv is not work with qt4

[14:00:38]

amarelinho_off:

i read

[14:00:52]

Dagmar:

Hey I said I didn't know if it would work or not. I don't really much care for Qt so I'm not exactly going to chase it's latest releases

[14:00:54]

Juski:

amarelinho_off: you read correctly

[14:01:09]

mjelva:

Dagmar: can you make any sense of that log?

[14:01:10]

Kelerion:

look in /etc/udev/rules.d for the 90-lirc file.. move it out temporarily..reboot

[14:01:19]

mjelva:

Kelerion: okay

[14:01:54]

mjelva:

no such file. no file named lirc in there at all.

[14:01:58]

amarelinho_off:

Juski: thanks

[14:02:28]

Juski:

woo all my tunays workay

[14:02:29]

Kelerion:

no 90-lirc.rules files?

[14:02:33]

mjelva:

none

[14:02:34]

Kelerion:

nice one Juski :)

[14:02:41]

mjelva:

no *-lirc.rules files

[14:02:50]

Dagmar:

mjelva: Looks like you're missing /dev/lirc according to the logs

[14:02:57]

Juski:

"Cash in the attic".. more like "C*** in the attic"

[14:03:04]

Kelerion:

is there a /dev/lirc/0 device?

[14:03:20]

Zider:

cats in the attic and a silverspoon

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mjelva:

Dagmar: nothing related to lirc in there at all

[14:03:47]

Juski:

little boy blue & the man in the moon

[14:03:48]

mjelva:

what the fuck is going on?

[14:03:52]

Juski:

see I know that crap song aswell

[14:03:53]

Dagmar:

It's your machine.

[14:04:00]

mjelva:

uh. well. i have lircd.

[14:04:02]

mjelva:

my bad.

[14:04:04]

mjelva:

but the rest are gone.

[14:04:06]

Dagmar:

When ya comin' home boy?

[14:04:09]

mjelva:

the other two.

[14:04:20]

Kelerion:

your missing a module then

[14:04:31]

mjelva:

i modprobe -l'd for lirc, and it showed up fine.

[14:04:41]

Kelerion:

pastebin lsmod

[14:04:50]

Juski:

mysterious... mythweb just worky too

[14:05:08]

mjelva:

i reinserted the module

[14:05:10]

scopeuk:

heh bbc nesw apparently doesentbelvie in the other option "which browser do you use: ie, firefox, both"

[14:05:13]

mjelva:

now i have a /dev/lirc0

[14:05:36]

Kelerion:

well it's not loading on reboot then

[14:05:45]

Juski:

scopeuk: the BBC test their site on just about every browser known to man

[14:05:57]

mjelva:

okay. also, now there's a naming inconsistency. i have /dev/lircd and /dev/lirc0. how do i fix?

[14:06:10]

Juski:

scopeuk: I know that for a fact ;)

[14:06:19]

scopeuk:

Juski jsut that pole

[14:06:27]

Juski:

pole schmole

[14:06:34]

mjelva:

Kelerion: how do i get it to load on boot?

[14:06:36]

scopeuk:

and i dident say they dotn know of other browsers jsut pointing outthat that pole should have an other option

[14:06:54]

mjelva:

are you talking about a poll, or how much you like pole?

[14:07:06]

Kelerion:

sudo gedit /etc/modprobe.d/aliases

[14:07:10]

scopeuk:

poll

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Dagmar:

Amusingly, I have no entries in /etc/udev for lirc at all and it works

[14:07:18]

Kelerion:

alias char-major-61 lirc_i2c

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Kelerion:

echo "lirc_i2c" | sudo tee -a /etc/modules

[14:07:50]

Juski:

ooo so now 'all' I need do is get minimyth up to scratch :-|

[14:08:02]

mjelva:

Kelerion: replace 'lirc_i2c' with the module name?

[14:08:37]

Juski:

oh bugger. didn't copy mythweb over

[14:08:55]

scopeuk:

Juski oops

[14:08:55]

Dagmar:

mjelva: No, that's supposed to be the name of the "other" lirc module. LIke I use lirc_serial and the one it depends on is lirc_dev

[14:09:11]

Dagmar:

Yours probably is actually lirc_i2c if that's the way it's routing control

[14:09:24]

mjelva:

Dagmar: when i modprobe -l i see no lirc_i2c

[14:09:57]

mjelva:

i have lirc_imon and lirc_dev loaded. if it matters at all, my receiver is usb.

[14:10:00]

Juski:

Parse error: syntax error, unexpected ')' in /var/www/mythweb/includes/recording_schedules.php on line 271

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Dagmar:

If you look in /lib/modules/`uname -r`/modules.alias you should already have char-major-61-* associated with something

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Juski:

fixed!

[14:10:45]

Dagmar:

mjelva: The modules.alias file there is populated by depmod automatically so you shouldn't have to mess with it.

[14:10:53]

mjelva:

Dagmar: it's associated with lirc_dev

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Juski:

heya Coume :)

[14:10:57]

mjelva:

right at the top there

[14:11:02]

Dagmar:

Okay, so you don't have to worry about that then

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Coume:

hi all :)

[14:11:14]

Coume:

Hi justin :)

[14:11:23]

mjelva:

Dagmar: should i still add 'alias char-major-61-* lirc_i2c' to that other file?

[14:11:33]

Dagmar:

No

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mjelva:

okay...

[14:12:03]

mjelva:

what should i do, then?

[14:12:34]

Juski:

how was the night out on Friday, Ludo ? ;-)

[14:13:29]

Coume:

Juski, was really nice :) :) lol especially after this stupid friday! (inland revenue boosting my taxes by 45%, etc....)

[14:13:39]

Coume:

how was the week-end?

[14:15:05]

mjelva:

Dagmar: how do i proceed=

[14:15:10]

Coume:

Juski, Did Stuart come back on Internet?

[14:15:15]

Dagmar:

mjelva: Frankly, I'd say manually create the device node

[14:15:28]

mjelva:

how do i do that?

[14:16:09]

Juski:

Coume yeah he's been spotted :)

[14:16:10]

Dagmar:

mknod /dev/lirc c 61 0

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mjelva:

Dagmar: now that i've modprobed lirc_imon manually i already have /dev/lirc0 though...

[14:16:45]

** Juski had a major mythtv breakdown last night **

[14:16:48]

mjelva:

do i need two /dev/lircs?

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Dagmar:

mjelva: In that case just make a symlink named /dev/lirc that points at /dev/lirc0 then

[14:17:05]

Coume:

Juski, what ahppened to ur system?

[14:17:14]

mjelva:

Dagmar: can't i rename /dev/lirc0 somehow?

[14:17:15]

Juski:

Coume: it got very ill is what happened

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Dagmar:

ln -s /dev/lirc0 /dev/lirc

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Dagmar:

mjelva: Technically, /dev/lirc0 is more correct for it to create.

[14:17:39]

Dagmar:

Ideally there would be a udev rule to catch it and make the symlink for you

[14:17:46]

Juski:

..and all because my box got iobound when I deleted like 300GB of recordings in one go

[14:17:55]

Coume:

eheh

[14:17:57]

mjelva:

Dagmar: okay then. how do we make it load the module on bootup?

[14:17:57]

Dagmar:

lol

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Dagmar:

mjelva: I just have my init script for lircd modprobing the module

[14:18:56]

** Juski goes to see if minimyth wants to play **

[14:19:08]

mjelva:

Dagmar: care to paste your init script somewhere?

[14:19:11]

Dagmar:

You can, of course, try and pester the lirc devs to add the magic stuff that will make udev know what to do when it sees that IR reciever appear on the USB bus

[14:19:12]

mjelva:

i don't have one

[14:19:14]

Kelerion:

anyone have abarbaccia's email address to hand?

[14:19:33]

Dagmar:

mjelva: I'll just upload it somewhere, but you may have to modify it a bit for your system.

[14:19:42]

mjelva:

k

[14:19:48]

Coume:

hello Kelerion, did u have a good trip back? :)

[14:20:12]

Kelerion:

yup yup... got back about 11pm'ish :)

[14:20:29]

Juski:

Kelerion: try andrew@abarbaccia.com .. just a guess like

[14:20:38]

** ivor settles down with a bag of 1000 cable ties. **

[14:20:41]

Coume:

good :)

[14:20:50]

Dagmar:

mjelva: Yeah, you'll definitely need to cut out some parts, since mine is mainly geared towards using a serial reciever, which requires setserial to be run on it... but...

[14:21:00]

Zider:

ivor: *hands a pair of scissors*

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Dagmar:

mjelva: http://dagmar.droplinegnome.org/experimental/rc.lircd and http://dagmar.droplinegnome.org/experimental/rc.lircd.conf

[14:21:21]

ivor:

Zider: ahaahahaa these are releasable cable ties!

[14:21:30]

Zider:

;)

[14:21:36]

ivor:

I'm organising my cables

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Juski:

the minimyth hath booteth

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Dagmar:

s/the/theth/;

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Juski:

why is it that when things go really smoothly I'm always more worried?

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ivor:

because you should be

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Kelerion1:

that was wierd

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mjelva:

it's always quiet before the storm, Juski

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scopeuk:

Juski for the same reaso nthat when you set something up and have 2 hours to spareyou sit there nervously looking for what you forgot to do

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mjelva:

Dagmar: what distro are you using?

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Juski:

<scooby doo> uuuuuuuuhhhh? </scooby doo>

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Dagmar:

mjelva: Slackware

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Dagmar:

...which means I have to do most of this stuff from the ground up.

[14:26:46]

Juski:

I must've configured all this stuff earlier on

[14:27:05]

Juski:

DTS & AC3 passthru are just working (tm) too

[14:27:22]

Juski:

now all I need do is get shot of that horrible theme

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Juski:

and scale the GUI

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** Juski rests on his laurels for a bit **

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** scopeuk should probbaly start readign the bs hes got to put togeather for his group poster project **

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mjelva:

Dagmar: isn't there a config where you're supposed to put modules?

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Dagmar:

Not anymore

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** Juski R's the minimyth FM **

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Dagmar:

Probably 95% of them now have tags that let them tell the kernel what devices they belong to so when the kernel sees the device, udev will load the module

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Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : -v jams

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Juski:

heh. even had time to wash my car :)

[15:01:34]

Juski:

is there an easy way to get rid of old settings table values from hostnames no longer used?

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jams:

delete from settings where hostname='$hostname_to_delete';

[15:02:52]

jams:

only way I know of

[15:03:05]

Juski:

thought as much.. just checking. thanks jams :)

[15:06:37]

Kelerion:

GreyFoxx: whats the x2vnc command you run?

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Kelerion:

nevermind..got it :)

[15:14:24]

mjelva:

how can i make myth start automatically on boot, without having to log in?

[15:14:55]

dorel__:

has anyone received those MCE errors?

[15:15:15]

mjelva:

is it a good idea at all?

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Juski:

lol @ Coume's quit message

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scopeuk:

i think the clasic is beware programmers who carry screw drivers

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Juski:

hrm. this ver. of minimyth isn't liking my attempts to force it to use projectgrayhem much

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Juski:

.. and now I know why

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Juski:

Couldn't find theme //usr/share/mythtv/themes/ProjectGrayhem-wide ...

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Juski:

blech

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** Juski reboots the frontend **

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Kelerion:

under /usr/local?

[15:23:47]

Juski:

nah

[15:24:01]

Juski:

this is minimyth, not Bunty ;)

[15:24:12]

Kelerion:

ah

[15:24:42]

Juski:

I'll need to updade minimyth when I'm done here

[15:24:54]

Juski:

wooo!

[15:24:58]

PointyPumper:

uhm

[15:24:59]

PointyPumper:

any idea

[15:25:10]

PointyPumper:

i got a lil problem

[15:25:17]

PointyPumper:

when mythtv captures from cd-in

[15:25:18]

Juski:

PointyPumper: spit it out man

[15:25:27]

PointyPumper:

it fucks up the sound

[15:25:28]

Kelerion:

bugger

[15:25:39]

Kelerion:

I've lost my sql update script for the sky channels

[15:25:49]

Kelerion:

ahhh crap

[15:26:00]

PointyPumper:

it can be heared, but its ugly as hell (it gets distorted)

[15:26:11]

PointyPumper:

if i unmute cdin

[15:26:15]

PointyPumper:

the sound is cool

[15:26:20]

A-d:

dorel__ what MCE errors are you talking about?

[15:26:24]

Juski:

PointyPumper: so turn the frickin record volume down

[15:26:29]

PointyPumper:

but when it goes throu myth it gets fucked :/

[15:26:55]

PointyPumper:

i dont have recording volume -_-

[15:27:31]

Juski:

PointyPumper: in recording profiles you will do though

[15:27:56]

Juski:

wha? minimyth doiesn't have xdpyinfo

[15:27:59]

PointyPumper:

aaaaaa

[15:29:21]

PointyPumper:

thx!

[15:29:23]

PointyPumper:

but

[15:29:26]

PointyPumper:

i got another problem :P

[15:29:32]

PointyPumper:

if i have two cards

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PointyPumper:

and one connected to cd in

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PointyPumper:

and the other to line in

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PointyPumper:

is there any way of recording at the same time without the sounds mixing?

[15:30:17]

Juski:

yes you need to buy Hauppauge pvr cards :-P

[15:30:27]

Juski:

not without another sound card, no

[15:30:28]

PointyPumper:

:(

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Juski:

sucky eh?

[15:30:34]

PointyPumper:

yeap

[15:30:38]

Juski:

shoulda bought Hauppauge :)

[15:30:49]

PointyPumper:

dont know if i can get en here :/

[15:30:50]

PointyPumper:

lets see

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PointyPumper:

and... i already have the two 878 xD

[15:31:16]

Juski:

either that or get anopther bttv software encoding framegrabber which as audio capture on it

[15:31:24]

Juski:

s/has/as

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PointyPumper:

:(

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minthome:

mornin' all

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scopeuk:

could do soem black magic and use the mic and line ports on the mobo

[15:32:15]

scopeuk:

although you rarly are into black magic teratory there

[15:32:21]

scopeuk:

or use the internal mic 2 header

[15:32:44]

scopeuk:

or if rearly desperate cd audio

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dorel__:

A-d: during dd to a 2nd hd i received: CPU 0: Machine Check Exception: 00000000000000000000004 Bank 4: b200000000070f0f Kernel panic – not syncing: CPU context corrupt

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Juski:

scopeuk: not #when there's only one DSP on the soundcard

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PointyPumper:

[12:46:41] <scopeuk> or if rearly desperate cd audio

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PointyPumper:

now i'm using it :P

[15:33:12]

scopeuk:

Juski dident seeit was only 1 dsp

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PointyPumper:

isnt any magic way of having virtual dsp ?

[15:33:15]

Juski:

otherwise he'd only be recording a mix

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Juski:

nope

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PointyPumper:

:'(

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minthome:

with my HD card, i cannot watch Live HD because it lags really bad, however if i record a HD stream and watch it with xine it works fine

[15:33:33]

Juski:

ditch the crappy sw encoders, all

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minthome:

Juski, that directed to me?

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Juski:

nope

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scopeuk:

or if you love your sw's so much grab a multiway sound card

[15:34:03]

** minthome crys **

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Juski:

directed at everyone who uses sw encoders

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scopeuk:

(6)

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PointyPumper:

it wouldn be pleasant to be watching lost and hear the teletubbies at the same time -_-

[15:34:19]

mjelva:

i'm trying to start mythfrontend directly from the mythtv user, but i keep getting a login refused error from mysql. what gives? it works perfectly under my own user.

[15:34:27]

Juski:

it wouldn't be pleasant to be watching lost either

[15:34:32]

PointyPumper:

hahaha

[15:34:47]

PointyPumper:

it is (was) fun -_-

[15:34:51]

PointyPumper:

what u got against lost?

[15:34:57]

scopeuk:

it exists

[15:35:01]

minthome:

lost good.

[15:35:02]

mjelva:

lost sucks

[15:35:03]

scopeuk:

its not that great

[15:35:04]

minthome:

heroes better

[15:35:14]

scopeuk:

heroes apparently owned the ratings

[15:35:34]

minthome:

so does the freakin, uh... video player in myth just suck?

[15:35:53]

minthome:

or is it just me

[15:35:55]

Juski:

PointyPumper: I saw it once. that's what I have against it

[15:36:08]

Juski:

minthome: it's prolly just you

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scopeuk:

hmm i m jsut wodnerign if any one else inthe block was still in bed

[15:36:48]

scopeuk:

oh well to late now musics on and its staying on

[15:36:50]

minthome:

Juski, probally, but did you see my comment? I can watch recorded HD with xine, but it's choppy and laggy watching with myth

[15:36:52]

A-d:

dorel__ thought you where talking about Microsoft Media Center Edition which is commonly known as MCE

[15:36:58]

Juski:

if you have a nvidia vga card why not try getting xvmc to work, minthome?

[15:37:18]

minthome:

Juski, 6600GT, and xvmc seems to work

[15:37:35]

Juski:

minthome: what cpu you using?

[15:37:45]

minthome:

3 year old P4 2.4

[15:37:48]

Juski:

and does xine work without xvmc?

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PointyPumper:

Juski, naaaah, when did u saw it?

[15:38:14]

PointyPumper:

first season?

[15:38:19]

PointyPumper:

or second?

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minthome:

Juski, i'm not sure. I just a base xine install and started playing the HD without dicking around witht he settings

[15:38:32]

Juski:

PointyPumper: no point trying to convert me. my mind is made up & it's final

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minthome:

does xine default using xvmc?

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Juski:

minthome: don't think so

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minthome:

well there ya go

[15:38:47]

Juski:

try not using xvmc in mythtv then

[15:38:51]

minthome:

i did

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minthome:

no go

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Juski:

the other decoder methods ?

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minthome:

cpu maxes out X and mythfrontend when watching from myth

[15:39:21]

Juski:

maybe try disabling opengl vsync

[15:39:31]

minthome:

using xine cpu is around 80% and X isn't the hog

[15:39:51]

minthome:

Juski, i've played with all the settings i could think of

[15:39:57]

minthome:

but nothing

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Juski:

ah well. looks like you need a faster cpu then chum

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** PointyPumper searches his room for old sound cards **

[15:42:05]

PointyPumper:

uhm

[15:42:08]

minthome:

i'm getting an XvMCTex init failer error

[15:42:12]

PointyPumper:

hope "audioexcel" works xD

[15:42:15]

minthome:

-er

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Juski:

minthome: so xvmc isn't working in mythtv then – good news & bad both at the same time :)

[15:44:14]

minthome:

Juski, i wouldn't be so sure

[15:44:14]

minthome:

http://lists.smeyers.be/mythtv-dev/4679.html

[15:44:24]

Juski:

Wooohooo! minimyth got colour OSD!

[15:45:04]

** Juski dances **

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scopeuk:

lol

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Juski:

damn mount points are all screwy

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scopeuk:

Juski replace em with nails?

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scopeuk:

sorry im feeling particuarly sarcastic and bitchy today

[15:55:50]

scopeuk:

dont know why

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Juski:

time of the month?

[15:56:25]

scopeuk:

Juski if it is its a new medical phonemoenon

[15:56:35]

scopeuk:

could be cafine induced or lack there of

[15:57:39]

jams:

does minimyth use bootsplash?

[15:58:12]

minthome:

http://pastebin.ca/227782

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minthome:

any tips on those xvmc errors?

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PointyPumper:

:(

[16:00:32]

PointyPumper:

how sad

[16:00:33]

PointyPumper:

:(

[16:01:10]

Juski:

jams – yeah I think so... uses some kind of FB to put status into onscreen anyway

[16:02:28]

Dagmar:

yuck framefondler cards

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Juski:

you gets whats yous pays fors

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AdamDH:

hey

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Juski:

hmm looks like I need to rejig my videos & musak

[16:06:09]

AdamDH:

I am using mythtv 0.20 on ubuntu backend running on the same box and I am getting lots of errors when watching live tv. To the point of not been able to watch live TV! It says up for 15 mins then the frontend closes the live TV window and the backend shows 2006-10–28 23:25:18.664 MPEGRec(/dev/video0) Error: select timeout – ivtv driver has stopped responding any ideas why?

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Juski:

call me crazy but maybe the ivtv driver has stopped responding

[16:09:28]

Juski:

I'd say to make a test recording or 5 & see how it gets on with that

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AdamDH:

I get the same error recording or viewing live TV

[16:10:31]

AdamDH:

I have a USB DVB box on the same box and that works fine so I guess its a IVTV driver issue?

[16:10:38]

Juski:

guess so

[16:11:21]

Juski:

you could try making sure mythbackend isn't using the ivtv card, then try a continuous mplayer test of it – see how that works

[16:11:39]

Juski:

rule out mythtv in the equation ;)

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AdamDH:

If I run a test from bash use ivtv tune go to a channle and record from dev/video0 then vide1 because I have a PVR500 it works fine so I am a little confused it seems to just sit there for like an hour before i stop it and it shows a good picture the whole time and no crashes.

[16:14:27]

Juski:

AdamDH: must be a mythtv problem then. time to start scouring the mailing lists

[16:14:58]

scopeuk:

its rearly came to something the most cheerfull mucic i have with me is lordi

[16:15:09]

AdamDH:

Found people with the problem but no solution

[16:15:14]

AdamDH:

hence why I turned here

[16:15:22]

Juski:

AdamDH: ouch

[16:15:28]

Juski:

not even on the -dev list?

[16:15:38]

Juski:

which version of ivtv?

[16:16:33]

awbassett:

I just setup myth .20 with an hd3000. I can view all the channels the scan found, but when i try to update the guide, only a couple of channels get data. I signed up at zap2it and specified all channels that were found. Any ideas?

[16:17:06]

Juski:

awbassett: did you run mythfilldatabase ?

[16:17:13]

awbassett:

yes

[16:17:19]

Juski:

no ideas then

[16:17:22]

awbassett:

only the first 7 channels have data

[16:17:35]

awbassett:

and i know the other ones work when i view them in live tv, they just have no channel data

[16:17:42]

Juski:

unless you have channels not bound to the same video source

[16:18:17]

awbassett:

i only have one source in my machine

[16:18:55]

Juski:

so it could just be an issue at zap2it's end

[16:18:56]

AdamDH:

ah nope will take a look at dev now

[16:19:34]

awbassett:

Juski: I mean, it could be

[16:19:53]

awbassett:

Juski: I specified all the channels that were found in zap2it's table though

[16:20:05]

Juski:

could still be an issue at zap2it

[16:20:47]

awbassett:

is there a way you would recommend to find out?

[16:21:25]

Juski:

nope

[16:24:02]

awbassett:

I'm going to try defining a new lineup

[16:24:11]

awbassett:

with all channels in the local broadcast

[16:24:12]

Juski:

oh bugger. mythvideo is drilling down into every last subdir of my media dir

[16:24:17]

awbassett:

see if that fixes it

[16:24:24]

** Juski cuts his losses **

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Juski:

I needed to rearrange everything anyway

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Juski:

ooo all isn't lost here... if I change stuff in the db to replace /mnt/video/movies with just /mnt/video ... :)

[16:27:34]

Juski:

some mysql-fu is needed

[16:28:34]

scopeuk:

shouldent that be fu-mysql ;-)

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Juski:

update videometadata set filename = replace(filename,'/mnt/video/movies/','/mnt/video/');

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AdamDH:

there is not much about for that error I get

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Juski:

AdamDH: you never said which version of ivtv you're using, or which version of 0.20-fixes

[16:34:42]

minthome:

anyone anyone? 2006-10–29 10:53:23.156 VideoOutputXv: XvMCTex: Init failed

[16:34:42]

minthome:

2006-10–29 10:53:23.156 VideoOutputXv: XVideo Adaptor Name: 'NV17 Video Texture'

[16:34:42]

minthome:

X Error: BadMatch (invalid parameter attributes) 8

[16:35:00]

Juski:

minthome: I'm guessing you're on Ubuntu, yes ?

[16:35:09]

minthome:

Juski, arch

[16:35:22]

Juski:

do you have the nvidia binary drivers installed?

[16:35:27]

minthome:

yes

[16:35:40]

Juski:

do glxgears work?

[16:36:14]

minthome:

tuxracer does

[16:36:34]

minthome:

big nvidia splash screen at the start of X too

[16:36:56]

Dagmar:

Which version of the nVidia driver?>

[16:37:13]

minthome:

uh, the standard, not the beta

[16:37:17]

minthome:

how can i check for sure?

[16:37:20]

Dagmar:

Which version of the nVidia driver?

[16:37:35]

Juski:

aye nvidia have a propensity for breaking xvmc between driver releases on certain/all cards

[16:37:51]

AdamDH:

0.9.0 of ivtv and 0.20.20060828–3 of myth

[16:38:01]

minthome:

ah, 8776

[16:38:24]

Juski:

AdamDH: to support that new a version of ivtv you might have to use head

[16:38:30]

Dagmar:

0.9.0?

[16:38:47]

Juski:

they're moving to the v4l2 api which is very new in mythtv AFAIK

[16:38:54]

AdamDH:

thats what dmesg reports

[16:39:08]

AdamDH:

but im running dvb and ivtv so I had to use the trunk version it gets from source

[16:39:23]

minthome:

Dagmar, should i try a new driver or something?

[16:39:24]

Dagmar:

You should probably talk with ivtv developers about problems with whatever SVN/CVS version you've got there

[16:39:30]

Dagmar:

The latest ivtv is 0.8.0

[16:39:44]

Dagmar:

minthome: I'd say wipe your hard drive and install a different distro

[16:40:07]

AdamDH:

running ivtv and dvb on the same box as been a pain from the start

[16:40:35]

minthome:

Dagmar, that's the most ridiculous suggesting.

[16:40:38]

Dagmar:

None of this rules out the possibility that your Xorg build might be insane.

[16:40:39]

minthome:

suggestion

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Dagmar:

OKay then, try a different video card.

[16:41:07]

minthome:

ntm, this is my 3rd distro. (actually 4th)

[16:41:10]

Dagmar:

You claim to be using the same versions of stuff as a whole bunch of other people, yet you're getting an error no one else has.

[16:41:17]

Dagmar:

This to me says something is very cooked.

[16:41:39]

minthome:

are you using xvmc?

[16:41:44]

Dagmar:

Did you get this same X error with the previous three?

[16:41:55]

minthome:

it's not an X error

[16:42:01]

minthome:

it's a mythfrontend erroro

[16:42:28]

Dagmar:

I got news for you bud..."X Error: BadMatch (invalid parameter attributes) 8" says otherwise

[16:42:38]

minthome:

ah, touche

[16:42:57]

minthome:

but it's still a long generated via mythfrontend

[16:42:57]

Dagmar:

It can be the caller making an insane function call, or the called library being broken.

[16:43:10]

minthome:

*log

[16:43:15]

** minthome breaks a finger off **

[16:44:07]

Dagmar:

I've been using xmvc for awhile now. Not once have I gotten that

[16:44:28]

minthome:

It appears here.. http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/232119 but it's from an older card

[16:44:39]

minthome:

thus not my same issue.

[16:45:02]

Dagmar:

'NV05 Video

[16:45:07]

Dagmar:

Blitter' <-- not a video card name

[16:45:36]

minthome:

well Dagmar, my main concern is that xine can play my HD recorded videos fine, however if i try to watch them in myth, they are very choppy

[16:46:08]

minthome:

VideoOutputXv: XVideo Adaptor Name: 'NV17 Video Texture'

[16:46:14]

minthome:

nor is that i assume

[16:46:21]

Dagmar:

Read http://www.inb.uni-luebeck.de/~boehme/nvidia_xvideo_misc.html

[16:46:29]

minthome:

kk

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Juski:

arhhhh yeah!! someone fixed the 'filter' feature in the gallery view of mythvideo to let me see 'folders' and still filter out files set to non-browsable :)

[16:47:35]

** Juski beers the above person **

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Dagmar:

the output of the xvinfo command might reveal something useful

[16:49:51]

Juski:

me like 0.20-fixes.. oo yes

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Dagmar:

Juski: Still no way to flag images as adult content. Heh

[16:50:20]

minthome:

Dagmar, well it does call it by those names.. http://pastebin.ca/227821

[16:50:37]

Dagmar:

They are *not* video card names

[16:50:43]

minthome:

i know

[16:50:45]

Dagmar:

They are display interface names

[16:51:07]

minthome:

wonder wherewhy they are being called from?

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minthome:

Line 123: Blitter, heh

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minthome:

still reading

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minthome:

brb

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scopeuk:

hi allmanj

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Dagmar:

You have an nv41 chipset card

[16:53:20]

Dagmar:

I'd almost bet money on it

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minthome:

what's that mean?

[16:53:39]

Dagmar:

It means you probably don't actually have xoverlay support

[16:53:45]

Dagmar:

Either that, or your build of X is broken

[16:54:13]

minthome:

well, since i've used knoppmyth, fedora and arch and they all do the same thing

[16:54:19]

minthome:

I'd go with #1

[16:54:27]

minthome:

again, is there a way to tell?

[16:54:39]

Dagmar:

What model video card do you have?

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allmanj:

scopeuk: :)

[16:55:15]

minthome:

GeForce 6600GT

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Dagmar:

PCIe version?

[16:55:29]

minthome:

AGP

[16:55:34]

Dagmar:

Hmmm

[16:55:38]

Dagmar:

Shoot it

[16:55:50]

Dagmar:

It all works fine on my AGP nonGT 6600

[16:55:54]

minthome:

hand me a gun

[16:56:08]

Dagmar:

Or maybe keep digging

[16:56:13]

Dagmar:

Something ain't right there

[16:56:14]

minthome:

i might miss and shoot myself ;)

[16:56:23]

Dagmar:

you're showing two interfaces, I have four

[16:56:31]

minthome:

Dagmar, yeah, i've been dealing with this for like 2+ weeks

[16:57:01]

minthome:

4, with vxinfo?

[16:57:17]

Dagmar:

Yep

[16:57:27]

minthome:

hum, yeah, that's no good

[16:57:30]

Dagmar:

What's lspci say your card is?

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minthome:

NV43

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Dagmar:

Wasn't I just saying nv41–43 may or may not have video overlay support?

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minthome:

you said 41

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livingtm:

I have two sources setup on my backend, but when i go to scan channels, only 1 source shows up in th elist of devices to scan. Does that mean the second device is not working properly?

[16:59:31]

scopeuk:

allmanj is interested in know if there is a way to get commflag to run only when the backend isent recording

[16:59:48]

Dagmar:

Nevermind that was earlier tonight

[17:00:09]

Dagmar:

nv41 through nv43 dont' always have xvideo overlay support

[17:00:23]

Dagmar:

So you basically are not going to be using XvMC with that card.

[17:00:28]

Dagmar:

Go buy a cheap 5200

[17:00:45]

Dagmar:

You can still play video games with the 6600GT.

[17:00:46]

Dagmar:

:)

[17:00:55]

scopeuk:

you can paly games on a 5200

[17:00:58]

minthome:

wow, that's a bunch of shit. this was a expensive card too...

[17:01:00]

scopeuk:

or a 5700

[17:01:01]

Dagmar:

Old games.

[17:01:02]

scopeuk:

easilly

[17:01:09]

minthome:

i have a 7900GT in my windows boxen

[17:01:11]

scopeuk:

counter strike source works fine on a 5200

[17:01:20]

Dagmar:

minthome: I can go get a Permedia card that costs $10,000, and it doesn't mean it'll run Myth for shit

[17:01:31]

Dagmar:

scopeuk: Old, crappy games then

[17:01:38]

minthome:

Dagmar, hehe, yeah, good point i guess

[17:01:51]

scopeuk:

Dagmar jsut anyhting that doesent need shadre v3 or pixel v2

[17:02:02]

Dagmar:

But those effects are GOOD

[17:02:15]

minthome:

well,i gotta go make some beer. OatBrown Ale today ;)

[17:02:21]

minthome:

thanks for the supprt Dagmar

[17:03:48]

Dagmar:

minthome: Check this thread: http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.ph . . . 4&page=4

[17:04:05]

Dagmar:

It's horribly arcane crap, but it might eventually yield some workarounds for you

[17:04:19]

Dagmar:

...or at least make it obvious why I'm the only person around who would think of it

[17:04:28]

Dagmar:

Sheer statistical anomaly.

[17:04:52]

minthome:

ok

[17:05:27]

Dagmar:

Alternatively, you have nothing to lose now. Might as well try the 9xxx beta

[17:05:30]

Dagmar:

:)

[17:05:46]

minthome:

yeah

[17:05:48]

minthome:

good point

[17:07:18]

Dagmar:

You might even be seeing something like the following in your Xorg.0.log

[17:07:19]

Dagmar:

NV-XVMC (ERROR): this library supports the following chips only:

[17:07:19]

Dagmar:

NV-XVMC (ERROR): NV17, 18, 25, 28, 30, 31, 34, 35, 36, 40, 41, 43 and 44

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minthome:

nope

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Paladine:

finally found the charger for my rotary tools

[17:14:08]

Paladine:

I still need a real dremel though

[17:14:13]

Paladine:

mine only do 12000rpm

[17:14:15]

Dagmar:

Ah well, 5200's are really cheap

[17:14:27]

Paladine:

so it is taking an uber long time to cut a hole in my side panel

[17:14:34]

Dagmar:

*kof*dremel is a brand name*kof*

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Dagmar:

Paladine which bit are you using to cut?

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Juski:

there is, literally _squat_ all point in buying a $300 card for a mythtv box

[17:15:01]

Paladine:

yeah but the 400 series that I want does variable speeds upto 35000rpm

[17:15:10]

Paladine:

am using cutting wheels

[17:15:14]

Paladine:

I don't have a cutting bit

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Dagmar:

Things about an inch or so in diameter with weird slots cut into them?

[17:15:46]

Juski:

might be easier to find a local metal fab place that can punch the holes you need

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Paladine:

about an inch diameter but solid

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Dagmar:

Hmm... maybe you need one with a coarser grit

[17:16:10]

Juski:

even with them it's tough to get a straight edge

[17:16:25]

Paladine:

am not cutting a straight edge

[17:16:29]

Paladine:

am cutting a circle

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Paladine:

which makes it harder

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Juski:

yeesh.. even more so then

[17:16:46]

Juski:

holesaw would be your best bet

[17:17:25]

Juski:

or make a template, but drill a bunch of smaller holes to form the circle, then use the template as a guide when you file it

[17:17:45]

Juski:

if it's a big circular hole :)

[17:18:11]

Paladine:

I already drilled holes about every inch round the diamter

[17:18:18]

Juski:

if it's only up to 1.5" or so diameter invest in a step cutter

[17:18:32]

Dagmar:

Yep

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Paladine:

its a 120mm diamter hole

[17:18:45]

Paladine:

for a 120mm fan

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Juski:

for the side or back? you can cover a multitude of sins with a fan guard

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Paladine:

side

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Paladine:

the side panel is 1.5mm sheet steel

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Dagmar:

Get one of those big shiny chrome plates

[17:20:18]

Dagmar:

Or you can try going to the hardware store and asking if there's someone there man enough to cut metal

[17:20:21]

Juski:

or.. some rubbery edge stuff to press over the steel

[17:20:28]

Dagmar:

Waitaminit

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Juski:

time for my evening meal :-P

[17:20:44]

Dagmar:

Damnit I can't remember if this is supposed to be a dry cut or an oiled cut

[17:21:18]

Dagmar:

The last time I did this I think I wet the metal and it only took me about an hour to go all the way around a fulltower case side

[17:21:25]

Dagmar:

You're talking about a much smaller hole

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Dagmar:

The worst part was just getting over the hellish sound it made

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Paladine:

well it cuts fine until about the last 1/10 of a mm

[17:22:45]

Paladine:

it gets hard work when it is going through the other side

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Paladine:

slows the wheel right down

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Paladine:

am hoping I haven't blown the dc adapter

[17:23:56]

Paladine:

it has started to cool down

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Paladine:

so I hope it is just a cutoff

[17:24:13]

Dagmar:

If it's not making a sound like a damned soul undergoing the worst agony when you cut, it's probably worn out. ;)

[17:24:40]

Paladine:

well it is a 6V adapter and only a 3.6V tool

[17:24:48]

Paladine:

so it should be able to provide more than enough juice

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Dagmar:

Ah yes, the "more power" theory

[17:25:06]

Paladine:

it is suppoed to be for charging but I had it pluggedin whilst I was working to give it a bit of extra grunt ;)

[17:25:47]

Dagmar:

I think maybe it's time you asked yourself, is the extra time this is taking worth the price of a new Dremel rotary tool.

[17:26:07]

Paladine:

I am broke

[17:26:15]

Paladine:

student with mortgage and 10 month old

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Dagmar:

I have a nice hand drill, but when I saw a decent 9V rechargable for sale for $15 I boought it just to hang two sets of curtains with

[17:26:28]

Paladine:

so whereas I would love to fork out $150 for a spanking new dremel 400

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Paladine:

I can't afford it

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Dagmar:

Ah

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Paladine:

although my redit card keeps shouting me

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Paladine:

credit

[17:27:13]

Paladine:

but my missus has a 6th sense and seems to know whenever I buy something on my cc

[17:27:22]

Paladine:

within 5 minutes of me making the purchase

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Paladine:

unplugged the charger to let it cool down

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Paladine:

I have to go cook

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Paladine:

missus is doing my head in

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Paladine:

she thinks I am "on demand"

[17:30:36]

Dagmar:

Tell her you're going to dig a well in the basement.

[17:30:44]

Dagmar:

Little things to keep her off balance.

[17:31:10]

Dagmar:

Leave the browser on a website selling shackles.

[17:32:34]

scopeuk:

Dagmar your to soft

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scopeuk:

just leave a roll of gaffer fastened to one of the bed posts

[17:32:57]

Dagmar:

No, I just take my time about painting a picture that might include later finding neighborhood kids in the basement

[17:33:29]

Dagmar:

If you *really* want to make someoen worry, it takes time, planning, dedication, and attention to minor details.

[17:33:34]

Dagmar:

Lots and lots of minor details.

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scopeuk:

heh i had a friend who walked into another friends bedroom and hte first thing she said was "you know what whould make your bed more interesting"... ..."handcuffs"

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Dagmar:

Nah... THey make these little eyelets that you can mount on the bedposts with four two inch screws... then you can use a carabiner to attach pretty much everything to them

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robbins876:

Slight problem... When I'm watching TV, my screensaver still pops up in gnome... How can I rectify the problem so that the screensaver doesnt open when myth is up

[17:35:02]

robbins876:

?

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Dagmar:

Note, do not do this to a waterbed frame.

[17:35:21]

Dagmar:

Stop running XScreensaver

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robbins876:

and run what instead?

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scopeuk:

Dagmar we jsut use scaf polls

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scopeuk:

and saftey chains for lights

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Dagmar:

Look, if I read you correctly, you're occasionally running the frontend on your desktop machine

[17:36:08]

Dagmar:

MythTV would have to make a special X call to disable the screensaver/locker

[17:36:16]

Dagmar:

It's not doing it.

[17:36:29]

Dagmar:

Wrapper the frontend wiht a script to kill xscreensaver and restart it after

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Dagmar:

That's as close as you're going to get without making patches

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Dagmar:

scopeuk: What's funny is the reaction some people have to noticing those metal eyelets

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scopeuk:

yeh

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robbins876:

You are correct, I do run myth on my desktop, how do I make that special X call?

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Paladine:

I have a 400 series on my ebay watchlist

[17:45:33]

Paladine:

hopefully I will be able to get it for a steal

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minthome:

Dagmar, i just read in the playback setup that XvMC does not work with HD resolutions.

[17:46:21]

robbins876:

anyone running mythTV on FC6 with compiz enabled?

[17:46:45]

Juski:

oh dear oh dear

[17:46:50]

Juski:

won't work

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robbins876:

Why not? It works fine for me

[17:47:07]

robbins876:

Just have one, very small problem

[17:47:18]

Juski:

I had one very small problem when I tried it

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robbins876:

What problem was that

[17:47:31]

Juski:

playing video in mythfrontend crashed X

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minthome:

heh

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robbins876:

I dn't have that problem, just that when I have compiz running, myth doesn't take over the entire screen

[17:48:31]

robbins876:

other than that, it works perfectly

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Juski:

compiz/xgl is still considered pretty alpha isnt it?

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** Juski scrolls back and then regrets it **

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robbins876:

I have no clue, but it's fucking sweet.

[17:49:33]

Juski:

wtf were you guys talking about up there ^^^ ?

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** Juski laughs **

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robbins876:

when?

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Juski:

about 16 minutes ago

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robbins876:

oh

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scopeuk:

Juski me and Kelerion?

[17:53:01]

Juski:

nevr mind. i read it. quite funny

[17:53:02]

robbins876:

i have myth running on one desktop and am running ksirc and firefox in this other desktop

[17:53:15]

robbins876:

and i can switch between the two with no problems what so ever... with the cube trick

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Juski:

xgl etc is very nice & all but I can't see a use for the cube trick.. but then I'm not a multi-desktop kind of user anyway

[17:54:03]

Juski:

certainly not on my myth box

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robbins876:

this is my desktop, i just run myth to watch tv in my room in the morning and before i go to bed

[17:54:56]

scopeuk:

the cube trick always looks very crappy to me

[17:55:04]

Juski:

so erm.. how did you get mythfrontend to not crash X ?

[17:55:17]

Juski:

you might wanna document that

[17:55:25]

robbins876:

It just doesn't... I haven't had any problems

[17:55:45]

robbins876:

I installed, and it's working perfectly. I ran some guide, let me see if I can find it.

[17:55:49]

Dagmar:

I never had the frontend crash using Xinerama

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robbins876:

Juski, here's that guide. http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?p=636488#post636488

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robbins876:

How do i stop xscreensaver from loading while myth is up?

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robbins876:

yay for anduin.

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Juski:

Anduin: did you re-enable filtering when you have 'folder' browsing enabled in mythvideo? if it was you, then you are the star :)

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Juski:

anyway, whoever put it back the way it used to be in 0.18, I thank you ;)

[18:01:59]

Anduin:

Juski: Filtering and folders don't really go together, except when metadata is also loaded

[18:02:17]

Anduin:

Juski: I didn't re-enable it in the list view through

[18:02:19]

robbins876:

Anduin, how can I disable xscreensaver while myth is running?

[18:02:23]

Juski:

that must be the difference then. I like it this way anyway :)

[18:02:31]

Anduin:

robbins876: Myth should be doing it already

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** Paladine puts the toad in the hole in the oven **

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Anduin:

Juski: Yeah, it isn't right though, all those entries without metadata have the bogus defaults (not very good for actual filtering)

[18:03:31]

robbins876:

Anduin, it's not... I'm running compiz, think that may have something to do with it? Also, myth won't take over the entire screen when compiz is loaded...

[18:03:56]

Juski:

Anduin: I'm not bothered so long as I can see the 'folder' view & filter out videos not set to browsable

[18:04:06]

Anduin:

robbins876: Yeah, that is probably going to have to wait a while

[18:04:19]

Paladine:

robbins876, how about running mythfrontend in its own xserver?

[18:04:49]

Anduin:

Juski: Ah, yeah, well as long as there is metadata the filter will always work (the only change I'm thinking of making is not including default data in the set that is filtered)

[18:04:50]

Paladine:

thats what I do with cedega so I can play games in full screen mode

[18:04:54]

robbins876:

Anduin, issues of time are issues I can deal with.

[18:06:02]

** Juski reboots minimyth again **

[18:06:35]

Juski:

has anyone here had any experience using the new ubuntu init thing they call upstart ?

[18:06:56]

Juski:

just wondering how much time it can shave off a bootup

[18:07:01]

Paladine:

robbins: xinit mythfrontend -- :1

[18:07:08]

Dagmar:

Juski: Nothing you coulnd't do yourself.

[18:07:15]

Paladine:

you probably need to include the full path to mythfrontend

[18:07:19]

Paladine:

and you might have to run it as root

[18:07:21]

Juski:

Dagmar: yeah I know, if I could be arsed

[18:07:24]

Dagmar:

Just like initNG it gets most of it's speed from simply not doing a lot of stuff other distros do

[18:07:26]

Paladine:

unless you enable xauth cookies

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Paladine:

it will load mythfrontend into its own xserver on alt+ctrl+F8 with no window manager

[18:09:21]

Paladine:

then to get back to your compiz xserver just hit ctrl+alt+F7

[18:10:03]

Paladine:

just use ctrl+alt+f7 or f8 to switch between the two

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Paladine:

works great :)

[18:12:10]

robbins876:

I'm going to try that

[18:12:25]

Paladine:

also means when you arewathcing porn you can switch back to your regular desktop quickly if you get unexpected company ;)

[18:12:41]

Paladine:

just remember to kill the volume ;)

[18:12:48]

Dagmar:

Meh you can do that with multiple desktops and it doesn't involve a mode change

[18:13:03]

fryfrog:

i just make em watch the pr0n

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Paladine:

multiple desktops would still have compiz running

[18:13:18]

Paladine:

he wants to have compiz running and still be able to full screen myth

[18:13:26]

Paladine:

so this solution works great

[18:13:37]

robbins876:

that didn't work... it brought me to a blank screen

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Paladine:

what was the exact command you typed?

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robbins876:

xinit mythfrontend -- :1

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Paladine:

try the full path to mythfrontend

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Paladine:

and in ubuntu I have to prefix it with sudo as well

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Paladine:

cos I don't have xauth cookies enabled

[18:14:39]

Paladine:

cos I haven't figured that out yet :)

[18:15:01]

robbins876:

what's the full path to myth?

[18:15:10]

robbins876:

i don't knoe where linux stores those things

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Paladine:

on ubuntu it is /usr/local/bin/mythfrontend

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Dagmar:

Pardon me while I capture your keystrokes

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Paladine:

brb oven timer just buzzed

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scopeuk:

reminds me

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scopeuk:

tiem to stuff food liek stuff in the microwave

[18:16:38]

** Dagmar exports porno to Paladine's display. **

[18:16:50]

robbins876:

should I close the mythTV frontend I have open right now?

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Havelock:

Hi, i have a problem with my remote control: xine works fine, but mythfrontend: nothing.

[18:26:29]

Dagmar:

Myth was probably compiled without lirc support

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Juski:

so you'll need a lircrc file in ~/.mythtv/ as well as a .lircrc file in ~/ then

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Dagmar:

Wait for mematrix to come back online

[18:27:40]

Dagmar:

wrong channel

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Havelock:

ldd mythfrontend shows me liblirc_client.so.0

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Dagmar:

did you bother to do what Juski said about the lirc config files?

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Havelock:

i have both config files

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Juski:

ah yes but does the lircrc file in ~/.mythtv/ contain any lines that say prog = mythtv ?

[18:30:49]

galorin:

ok, I've got a problem.. Mysql crashed, and took record.MYI with it. The files are still there, but how do I get my list of recordings back?

[18:31:08]

Juski:

you restore the database backup you took

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Dagmar:

What? You say you didn't make a backup?!?

[18:31:37]

galorin:

That was about a week ago... There's recordings that'll be missing

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Havelock:

Juski: yes, ich checked it

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galorin:

now, I guess I need to automate some kind of backup..

[18:31:58]

Juski:

galorin: what good's a week old backup then?

[18:32:33]

Juski:

there's a script in /contrib called something like mythrebuilddb.pl you can use but a lot of metadata will likely be missing and there's sod all you can do about that

[18:32:48]

galorin:

Well, that'll have to do I guess..

[18:33:10]

Juski:

thanks for reminding me to set up a cron job to back up my db nightly on my new install :)

[18:33:54]

galorin:

ACK!

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galorin:

Can't locate Time/Format.pm in @INC

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Juski:

galorin: perl modules missing

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Juski:

CPAN would be your friend there I guess

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galorin:

just waiting for it and pressing enter loads

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Havelock:

my ~/.mythtv/lircrc is a soft link to ~/.lircrc. Is that ok?

[18:37:12]

AngryElf:

i've somehow managed to make myth jump into mythgallery automagically when is start it......where might that setting be?

[18:37:47]

Juski:

Havelock: sometimes it doesn't work from my experience

[18:38:33]

Havelock:

Juski: Ok, i try it a different way

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Havelock:

When i start irw i get a syslog entry: lircd-0.8.0[1398]: accepted new client on /dev/lircd

[18:41:46]

Havelock:

when i start mythtv nothing...

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Paladine:

robbins, well yeah, opening mythfrontend when you already have it open is probably not the best way to do it, close mythfrontend first lol

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Paladine:

sorry just got back from eating :)

[18:51:54]

AngryElf:

myth is now stopping recordings in mid-playback as if the recording ended.....any ideas why?

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null_:

Hello. Anyone having an idea what's happening with my X? Everytime I start mythfrontend, mythfrontend actually starts, but then xorg throws a xkbd error and mythfrontend terminates

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null_:

http://cut.and.paste.org/pastebin/index.php?id=140 <- looks like this on the console

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Juski:

ahahahaha.. no you don't... I need to shut off port 80 for a sec...

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gnuyen:

hi i upgraded to 20 and now i don't have any scheduled recordings

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galorin:

gnuyen, did you back up your database?

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null_:

no one with an idea?

[19:06:09]

galorin:

catching up with my own troubles null_

[19:06:13]

null_:

hehe

[19:06:20]

galorin:

let me look

[19:07:55]

galorin:

null_ I'm not familiar with running mythfrontend the way it looks like you are, how are you doing it?

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gnuyen:

not recently

[19:08:12]

gnuyen:

all of my previously recorded shows are there

[19:08:13]

null_:

galorin: I'm just trying to run it with DISPLAY=:0 mythfrontend

[19:08:31]

Pryon:

what error are you getting?

[19:08:40]

Pryon:

(sorry, I joined after you posted this information before)

[19:08:42]

null_:

Pryon: Type "ONE_LEVEL" has 1 levels, but <RALT> has 2 symbols

[19:08:48]

null_:

oops

[19:08:53]

null_:

http://cut.and.paste.org/pastebin/index.php?id=140

[19:08:53]

null_:

=)

[19:09:20]

galorin:

null_ I had troubles running it that way, something about mplayer and focus... so I just launch mythfrontend from inside KDE... call me cheap.

[19:10:15]

null_:

not really a solution for me, I think

[19:10:27]

galorin:

gnuyen, I didn't have any upgrade problems, but not everyone gets off that easy.

[19:11:28]

amarelinho_off:

Dagmar:

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Pryon:

null_: Probably a dumb question – are you running as user mythtv or as root?

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null_:

Pryon: I'm running (currently) as root

[19:11:49]

galorin:

It looks like I'm going to need to spend a lot of time cleaning up my recordings after this crash.. :S

[19:12:27]

Pryon:

have you tried su -c 'DISPLAY=:0 mythfrontend' mythtv

[19:12:27]

Pryon:

?

[19:12:35]

galorin:

metadata is all gone :(

[19:12:36]

amarelinho:

Dagmar: i need you

[19:12:53]

amarelinho:

Dagmar: you is her?

[19:13:07]

Pryon:

I guess it depends on who's running the X session whether or not something like that would work.

[19:13:21]

null_:

Pryon: same error

[19:13:59]

amarelinho:

guys.. thanks help me

[19:14:02]

amarelinho:

buy

[19:14:06]

amarelinho:

bye

[19:14:12]

Pryon:

Hmmm. Was the installation done via your distribution's package management system? Seems odd that it can't find one of the included themes (assuming G.A.N.T. is such)

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gnuyen:

i figured it out

[19:14:31]

gnuyen:

upgrading to edgy broke my tuner cards

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null_:

Pryon: yes I did it with portage, but, well, I built some kind of "embedded" system

[19:14:49]

null_:

and I forgot the themes =)

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galorin:

gnuyen, ahh I see.. I guess I won't upgrade to edgy then.. gonna wait a few weeks.

[19:16:17]

gnuyen:

i just have to install the ivtv drivers

[19:16:24]

gnuyen:

which is more complicated than i remember

[19:17:17]

galorin:

I'm glad my tuner didn't require anything more than what was already in the kernel. Anyone know how to get mythweb working?

[19:17:34]

Juski:

yeah thanks. i read the documentation ;)

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Juski:

galorin: just make sure php is working with apache, and read the readme file and the .htaccess file ;)

[19:21:23]

|Torg|:

Juski are you well versed in rewrite rules for apache?

[19:22:17]

Juski:

|Torg|: you don't need to be just to get mythweb to work, so I'm not

[19:22:33]

|Torg|:

no its working fine, well without one expection

[19:22:52]

|Torg|:

I know how to run apache on a basic level, just not every rewrite rule

[19:23:06]

Juski:

I saw mythweb's WAP stuff being used at the expo, and I neeeeeeeed that, so I'll be messing with that soon

[19:23:17]

|Torg|:

specifly if I do a http://localhost/mythtv it fails but if I do a http://localhost/mythtv/ it works

[19:23:30]

galorin:

Looks like my kubuntu-installed apache isn't happy with php, so I'm gonna build 'em myself...

[19:23:36]

|Torg|:

my only clue is a 500 responce making me belive its my rewrite rule, other then that there is no error

[19:23:56]

Juski:

|Torg|: just remember the extra slash ?

[19:24:02]

gnuyen:

now i get

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gnuyen:

2006-10–29 11:23:05.423 Connecting to backend server: 192.168.1.5:6543 (try 1 of 5)

[19:24:07]

gnuyen:

2006-10–29 11:23:05.425 Connection timed out.

[19:24:22]

Juski:

gnuyen: check the backend is still running

[19:24:24]

|Torg|:

Juski of course, but what is giving the bad url string

[19:24:45]

Juski:

|Torg|: prolly one for #apache methinks

[19:24:52]

Juski:

if you can get a word in

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|Torg|:

I just thought you may have seen this befoer, im surly not the first one to encounter it

[19:25:34]

gnuyen:

it seems to be

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gnuyen:

it's there under ps ax

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Juski:

gnuyen: if you're running it all on the same box why not just stick with 127.0.0.1 for the backend IP address & master backend IP address ?

[19:27:01]

|Torg|:

do a 'netstat -an | grep 6543' on your backend

[19:27:07]

gnuyen:

i'm not running it all on the same box

[19:27:16]

gnuyen:

that's another machine

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roz:

when you have multiple backends/storage

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Juski:

if you changed the backend ip to be 192.168.1.5 and didn't restart mythbackend, that'll be why

[19:27:50]

|Torg|:

like I said, do a "netstat -an | grep 6543" that will tell you if its listning

[19:27:51]

gnuyen:

i didn't just change the backend ip

[19:27:54]

roz:

is there anyway to force it to transfer a file from one backend to another

[19:28:06]

gnuyen:

it's been that for years

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Juski:

roz: only recordings/live tv get streamed

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Juski:

gnuyen: did the backend's hostname change?

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gnuyen:

no

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gnuyen:

i restarted mythtv backend anyway

[19:28:52]

roz:

Juski, i know, but i cant stream them over the net. I want to have 2 backends in different locations.

[19:29:17]

Juski:

ros: NFS over some kind of VPN maybe ?

[19:29:23]

roz:

over a VPN

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Juski:

that'd be pretty tricky

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|Torg|:

and youd need a pretty fat pipe between them

[19:29:57]

roz:

basically i'd want to bring the file local

[19:30:05]

roz:

and watch it later

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Juski:

like say one at your house & one at another building?

[19:30:11]

gnuyen:

|Torg|: nothing is returned

[19:30:12]

Juski:

oof

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roz:

yes Juski

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Juski:

roz: talking pretty tricky stuff

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|Torg|:

then gnuyen mythbackend is not running

[19:30:43]

gnuyen:

|Torg|: I get 5107 ? Ssl 0:00 /usr/bin/mythbackend --daemon --logfile /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log --pidfile /var/run/mythtv/mythbackend.pid

[19:30:46]

gnuyen:

in ps ax

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|Torg|:

then its not listning to port 6543

[19:31:13]

|Torg|:

your next step is to try a "netstat -an | grep LISTEN"

[19:31:20]

Juski:

roz: about the best you'd be able to do would be to stream with mythstreamtv for now, or else export recordings & metadata using mytharchive

[19:31:22]

|Torg|:

and see what it is you told it to listen to

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Paladine:

or netstat -nap | grep 6543

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roz:

is there any build in functionality yet for DVD recording?

[19:31:54]

Juski:

roz: mytharchive

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Juski:

in 0.20

[19:32:10]

Juski:

that also does file & metadata exporting

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gnuyen:

does mythtv have a diff port than the mysql server directly?

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|Torg|:

gnuyen yes

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galorin:

Juski, I've had bother with mytharchive but that's par for the course I'm playing on LOL

[19:32:51]

Juski:

gnuyen: mythtv shouldn't use the same port as the mysql server

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|Torg|:

gnuyen in fact it has two

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Juski:

sheesh

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roz:

so with mytharchive, can I use the build in tools to do commercial chopping and then burn w/o commercials?

[19:33:22]

Juski:

roz: in theory yes

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|Torg|:

mysql listens to 3306 (unless you changed it), myth listens to 6543 and 6544 unless you changed those

[19:33:46]

xris:

Juski: I just redownloaded PG 1.8 and noticed that it doesn't seem to have the fix for use with .20 and opengl

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gnuyen:

it doesn't seem to be in netstat -an

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gnuyen:

listening

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|Torg|:

a wild guess is you misconfigured your backend

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xris:

do you remember what it was?

[19:34:16]

Juski:

xris: do you not like pg 2.0 ?

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Paladine:

gnuyen, try netstat -nap | grep 6543

[19:34:24]

gnuyen:

was working a second ago

[19:34:29]

xris:

I must have gotten the wrong download page

[19:34:35]

Juski:

xris: www.juski.co.uk/pg/ ;)

[19:34:40]

|Torg|:

gnuyen if you made it listen to something else then 6543 and 6544 a netstat will tell you, if its having problems opening the ports it will be in the backend log

[19:34:40]

gnuyen:

Paladine: no result

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null_:

wow *_*, xorg and mythfrontend use 250 megs of ram *_*

[19:34:44]

xris:

the link on mythtvtalk still links to 1.8

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Paladine:

then nothing is happening on that port

[19:34:54]

Juski:

or you could copy the base.xml file from the 2.0 theme to the 1.8 one :)

[19:35:09]

Juski:

xris: I hate updating the mythtvtalk theme page.. it's a PITA

[19:35:21]

xris:

ahh

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gnuyen:

|Torg|: there are no errors in the mythbackendlog

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xris:

thx. :)

[19:35:48]

null_:

Is this normal, I mean, 250 megs are in use, not cached or something...

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|Torg|:

Paladine thanks I never knew about the p option :)

[19:35:59]

gnuyen:

i will rerun mythtvsetup

[19:36:01]

gnuyen:

and see if that helps

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Paladine:

torg, I cam across it lastnight when trying to figure out why an iptables rule wasn't working :)

[19:36:31]

Juski:

how the heck can I find out what DPI my X server runs at if it doesn't have xdpyinfo ?

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|Torg|:

my main problem is im a Solaris guy trying to run Linux :P

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Paladine:

easy, install xdpyinfo ;)

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|Torg|:

I *think* default is 50:50

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Juski:

Paladine: gee thanks I'd never have thought of that one!

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Paladine:

default is 75:75

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|Torg|:

ok then my stuid TV default is 50:50 :P

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Paladine:

:)

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Juski:

in minimyth the default is 100:100 but my theme is 16:9 running at a res. of 720x576 & I need to fudge it

[19:38:10]

|Torg|:

its one of the two, I have to force mine with a DisplaySize to get it right

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gnuyen:

in the setup it says

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gnuyen:

ip 192.168.15

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gnuyen:

er 192.168.1.5

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Paladine:

720x576 is 4:3 :p

[19:38:42]

gnuyen:

runs on 6543, status on 6544

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Juski:

!trout Paladine stating_the_bloody_obvious

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** MythLogBot slaps Paladine with a stating_the_bloody_obvious trout on behalf of Juski... **

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|Torg|:

gnuyen I was hinting more at the port you told it mythbackend was on, not the IP address

[19:39:12]

gnuyen:

it's in there twice

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gnuyen:

once for mythv once for master server

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Juski:

previously I used a displaysize of 440:225

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|Torg|:

it *SHOULD* me in there twice

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Paladine:

I use diplay size 720x576

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|Torg|:

it *SHOULD* also be with two seperate ports 6543 and 6544

[19:39:53]

Paladine:

but I have a resolution of 2560x1024

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|Torg|:

but that is where it is stored to tell the cleints (frontends) to connect to

[19:40:41]

Paladine:

mythfrontend very nicely sits in the bottom left corner of my 2nd monitor

[19:40:56]

Paladine:

with gaim next to it and xchat above it

[19:41:13]

Juski:

before I upgraded I had it looking great on my 32" wide CRT

[19:41:39]

gnuyen:

i think mythweb broke it

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|Torg|:

mythweb cant break it, not unless you used it to change some settings

[19:42:03]

Paladine:

then I use my left hand monitor for mozilla

[19:42:19]

Paladine:

and have other "always open" applications in different desktops

[19:42:33]

Paladine:

and my cedega running in its own xserver on ctrl+alt+F8

[19:42:38]

gnuyen:

when i run mythfrontend

[19:42:41]

gnuyen:

in there i get

[19:42:42]

gnuyen:

mythtv: could not connect to socket

[19:42:42]

gnuyen:

mythtv: No such file or directory

[19:42:49]

Paladine:

my nickname among friends is "man of many windows"

[19:43:05]

Juski:

hmm hang on a sec...

[19:43:16]

** Juski wonders if minimyth has the vera fonts installed **

[19:43:25]

gnuyen:

is there some other place mythbackend is configured?

[19:43:42]

galorin:

well, the myth.rebuilddatabase.pl thing is giving me back my recordings, I just hope I can edit some of the metadata later...

[19:44:12]

gnuyen:

mythbackend is connected to unix 3 [ ] STREAM CONNECTED 14866 5701/mythbackend

[19:44:17]

gnuyen:

i think thats the mysql server

[19:44:21]

Paladine:

god damn I would swing nekid from a telephone pole for a joint about now

[19:45:12]

Paladine:

hey torg, I fond the charger for my rotary tool

[19:45:24]

Paladine:

but it blew 4 hours into the 6 hour charge :/

[19:46:21]

Paladine:

halfway through cutting out the 120mm diamter hole in the side panel of my case, the battery died on my tool as well

[19:46:26]

Paladine:

so I have to buy a dremel now

[19:46:32]

Paladine:

cos I can't leave a job half finished ;)

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|Torg|:

umm why dont you just borrow a drill press

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Paladine:

dude, I never leave the house unless it is to go to uni or the shop

[19:47:17]

Paladine:

where the hellam I gonna borrow a drill press from lol

[19:47:26]

xris:

Paladine: you need some friends. ;)

[19:47:46]

Paladine:

I have firends but they are about as tolled up as George Bush's brin

[19:47:51]

Paladine:

s/tolled/tooled

[19:47:58]

Paladine:

s.brin/brain

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Paladine:

I give upo

[19:48:36]

Paladine:

my keyboard is in a "I will type what I want" mood

[19:50:19]

Paladine:

at least torchwoodis on tonight, so allis not lost :)

[19:50:20]

null_:

Can I select the font for the menu etc somewhere in mythfrontend?

[19:50:42]

Paladine:

null, in the theme files

[19:51:16]

robbins876:

the bears are abusing the 49ers

[19:51:18]

Pryon:

setup->appearance?

[19:51:26]

null_:

Pryon: I can't select any fonts there...

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Paladine:

in the theme files

[19:51:59]

null_:

theme.xml?

[19:52:11]

Paladine:

have a look and see

[19:52:14]

null_:

ok

[19:52:24]

Paladine:

I can't rememberexactly which theme files, ijust know they are in the theme files

[19:52:37]

Paladine:

cos I had to change all my font sizes in there

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gnuyen:

is there any way to configure

[19:55:56]

gnuyen:

what port the backend runs on?

[19:56:00]

gnuyen:

i run the backend

[19:56:03]

gnuyen:

get no errors whatsoever

[19:56:14]

gnuyen:

it says it's starting as the master server, but no binding to the port

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Paladine:

mythtvsetup I think

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Paladine:

iirc

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gnuyen:

i'm pretty ure it was the mythweb that broke it

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null_:

Anyone having an idea on how to get umlauts into EPG?

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Tomblaireau:

Hello everybody

[20:00:21]

Tomblaireau:

I have a problem to compile Mythtv, and I wonder if there is any dependency that I havent met

[20:00:22]

** Juski is chuffed. opengl painter works in minimyth & is as fast as it should be :) **

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Tomblaireau:

When I try to compile mythtv, I got an error at link about QGLWidget

[20:03:12]

gnuyen:

i think mythtvbackend is hanging

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gnuyen:

during startup

[20:03:46]

gnuyen:

i pasted the startup

[20:03:49]

gnuyen:

in #flood

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gnuyen:

it's not very long

[20:05:01]

galorin:

bleh, apache is borked

[20:05:38]

gnuyen:

galorin: are you talkin to me?

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|Torg|:

probably not, like I said unless you used mythweb to change configuration settings it dosnt do anything to the backend other then schedule or modify reocrdings

[20:10:19]

gnuyen:

i dunno

[20:10:22]

gnuyen:

last time it ever worked

[20:10:24]

gnuyen:

in the log

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gnuyen:

it says

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gnuyen:

2006-10–29 11:09:30.510 Main::Starting HttpServer

[20:10:40]

gnuyen:

2006-10–29 11:09:30.532 Main::Registering HttpStatus Extension

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gnuyen:

now it doesn't do that anymore

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gnuyen:

now it just hangs after the 3rd database connection

[20:13:41]

minthome:

where's the location that the music supposed to be in for mythmusic?

[20:13:46]

minthome:

i can't figure out where to add it

[20:14:28]

Juski:

minthome: it's wherever you set it to be

[20:14:44]

Juski:

and that's set in utils/setup > setup > media > music > general

[20:15:02]

minthome:

yeah, that double setup got me confused, thanks

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minthome:

was going in utils/setup > Music tools

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Juski:

it's the lack of reading the docs that confuses people too

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|Torg|:

Juski but I cant read

[20:16:25]

gnuyen:

okay i fixed it guys

[20:16:44]

gnuyen:

apparently, the new ivtv drivers

[20:16:53]

gnuyen:

starts numbering tuners at 1

[20:16:56]

gnuyen:

not 0 now

[20:17:27]

gnuyen:

before it was hanging at the initialisation of the tuner cards

[20:17:47]

gnuyen:

because it was set to tuner0

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null_:

What do I need to fill-in for the audio output device when using ALSA?

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null_:

it was something like default or so

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jduggan:

alsa:default should do

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null_:

ok

[20:20:06]

minthome:

Juski, let's not get sassy now... hehe :P

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null_:

jduggan: thanks, that works

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minthome:

sure does take a while to import 90GB of music

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xris:

lol

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Tomblaireau:

Does anybody have a problem to compile mythtv about QGLWidget at link?

[20:21:29]

xris:

Tomblaireau: not directly related, but are you compiling the fixes branch from svn?

[20:21:43]

Juski:

Tomblaireau: you prolly just need the opengl -dev libs, whatever your distro calls them

[20:22:23]

Tomblaireau:

xris: I checked out the anonymous branch, as said in svn http website

[20:22:45]

xris:

Tomblaireau: which one, though. there's "trunk" and 0-20-fixes, or something like that

[20:23:11]

Tomblaireau:

Juski: Don't have any -dev package. I'm on Archlinux. Do you know any other way to know If I have the dev packages equivalent present on my HD ?

[20:23:20]

gnuyen:

thanks for all your help uys

[20:23:27]

Tomblaireau:

xris: the trunk one's

[20:23:46]

Tomblaireau:

xris: I should use 0-20-fixes you say ?

[20:23:52]

xris:

Tomblaireau: if you're not so familiar with compiling and working with buggy software, I'd recommend using fixes.

[20:24:05]

xris:

trunk is the development branch. usually works, but no guarantees

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Juski:

ack.. blummin archlinux... eew

[20:24:31]

Tomblaireau:

xris: Ok, I'm going to check out the fixes branch. I didnt know about it :-) thanks.

[20:24:36]

Tomblaireau:

xris: I'm gonna make a try

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Juski:

Tomblaireau: anyway you need to download the dev. libraries for opengl, wherever the heck they come from

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Tomblaireau:

Juski: My question were not about any distro, only mythtv ;-)

[20:25:27]

Juski:

Tomblaireau: well, some distros make it easier than others is all I'm saying, so you're making a rod for your own back there

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|Torg|:

release-0-19-fixes = stable but old, release-0-20-fixes = mostly stable but newer, trunk = sometimes stable but current

[20:26:04]

|Torg|:

you decide

[20:26:36]

Juski:

uh-oh...

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Juski:

"Fatal error: Call to a member function rec_override() on a non-object in /var/www/mythweb/modules/tv/upcoming.php on line 45"

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Jasper:

gooood evening folks

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xris:

Juski: sounds like a corrupt install

[20:29:08]

Juski:

corrupt how?

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null_:

does commercial detection work while using livetv?

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xris:

missing whatever defines rec_override

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xris:

null_: not really. what would it do, pause?

[20:30:27]

null_:

ok, was just a question

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null_:

I thought it might be display a warning like "Commercials detected"

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xris:

I think you can have it auto-flag stuff as you watch, but can't do anything about it unless you're playing back later.

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null_:

anyone having a .lircrc for a mythtv/mplayer combination with a harmony 525?

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|Torg|:

Juski it sounds more like your schedules in your database are not right

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Jasper:

is there any way to control mythtv with a webbrowser yet?

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xris:

Jasper: not officially

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Jasper:

unofficialy?

[20:34:24]

xris:

there are a couple of tickets in to do basic stuff via mythweb

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xris:

could take those patches.

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|Torg|:

xris have you seen one to make the settings do error checking or have a layout thats more inline with the actaul settings via the frontend?

[20:35:57]

xris:

haven't looked at any tickets recently. been a bit overworked.

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Tomblaireau:

I've another question (trying to compile 0-20-fixes branch). Why do you have a specific branch with patches ?

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xris:

Tomblaireau: what do you mean?

[20:37:02]

Tomblaireau:

Some patches seems to solve problems on 0.20 tag and dev branch (0.21)

[20:37:35]

xris:

a tag is a fixed point in time. branch is "still evolving" so to speak.

[20:37:40]

Tomblaireau:

xris: because I dont understand why you use a branch to commit patches.

[20:37:46]

Tomblaireau:

xris: yes, i know that

[20:38:06]

xris:

so .20-fixes is the code that will become 0.20.1, and trunk is what will become 0.21

[20:38:25]

Tomblaireau:

xris: maybe you use a branch because some patches are uncompatible between 0.20 and 0.21 (dev branch)

[20:38:28]

xris:

that's just proper project maintenance

[20:38:51]

xris:

bug fixes go into the branch, and bug fixes AND new features go into trunk

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Tomblaireau:

xris: ok so you use a branch to maintain the 0.20 trunk ?

[20:39:13]

xris:

it's not trunk. it's a branch. think of a tree

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Tomblaireau:

xris: yes, I did a mistake :)

[20:39:50]

Tomblaireau:

xris: I understand the concept, but I'm not fully fluent with terms :)

[20:39:54]

xris:

but yeah, you have the basic idea

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Juski:

xris.. just wiped out /var/www/mythweb, cp -r . from the mythweb dir within mythplugins, followed the readme... still getting that error when I click on 'activate' the upcoming recording which isn't currently activated

[20:40:18]

Tomblaireau:

xris: I'm a developper, but not a linux-developper :)

[20:40:19]

xris:

it's so people can get bug fixes in the stable branch without having to run the less stable development code.

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Tomblaireau:

xris: So I'm just trying to understand how you use svn and branchs

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Tomblaireau:

xris: ok :-) now I completly understanding :)

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xris:

Juski: odd. what version?

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Juski:

ahh I know what's up xris

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xris:

?

[20:41:48]

Juski:

the cp didn't work

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xris:

hahaha

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xris:

heh

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Tomblaireau:

xris: so theorically, I should be able to use 0.20 patches to patch the latest trunk and 0.21. because the problem seems to be the same

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|Torg|:

except any bugs found in the 20 is put into the 21 as well

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|Torg|:

sorry .20 and .21 (before Juski yells at me again)

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xris:

Tomblaireau: the dev cycle goes: commit bug fixes to trunk. If it's a significant bug, it then gets merged back into the the fixes branch.

[20:44:06]

Tomblaireau:

ok. So get the fixes branch will probably not solve my problem

[20:44:35]

Tomblaireau:

except if the problem is a new bug on trunk

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|Torg|:

those would be new features, not new bugs :P

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Tomblaireau:

lol ok :)

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Juski:

damn! so much for that

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xris:

Tomblaireau: your problem is unrelated to which branch. you just need to get the correct gl libraries to install

[20:46:37]

Tomblaireau:

I definitively need to spare some times to developp for some open project :) to understand all that :)

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xris:

Tomblaireau: it's not just open source organizing things like that.

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Tomblaireau:

xris: unforntunately, I do think that i dont have the correc gl libraries.

[20:48:29]

xris:

this is one of the generally accepted ways to organize things any time that you need to maintain a development tree and maintain bug fixes for a stable release.

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Juski:

right. just wiped out (rm -rf) /var/www/mythweb, did the recursive copy, changed the group etc... same error. 0.20-fixes ver 11603

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xris:

Tomblaireau: can't help you there. I don't know anything about arch

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|Torg|:

Tomblaireau you need the opengl HEADDERS to compile it

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|Torg|:

youi use the libs to LINK it not COMPILE it

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Tomblaireau:

Torg: I know

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|Torg|:

make sure you have the -dev of whatever archive your platform uses

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xris:

Juski: grep rec_override includes/programs.php

[20:50:45]

Juski:

xris: it's in there

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Juski:

problem was weird.. sorted it out now I think

[20:51:08]

xris:

hmm

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Juski:

the schedule was for a program which is no longer in the guide, or never was

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xris:

odd

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|Torg|:

not odd, its understandable

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Juski:

I deleted that schedule, and the 'activate' button seems to work on other schedules

[20:52:26]

Juski:

trust me to get a one in a million

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|Torg|:

actally (and not withstanding I dont know about UK schedules) that would be fairly common in the US

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Juski:

that schedule, from last week, had only a title. this week however, it has a subtitle & episode number X of Y

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|Torg|:

as my schdule contains shows that the US bcasters seemt o delight in schanging every week its qutie often ill have somehting that cant be found to be actiuvated

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Juski:

heh

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|Torg|:

mythweb seeing a schedule but not correalting the guide dsont know it dsont exixt to activate and happy tryes, giveng that error

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Juski:

there's only so much testing folks can do though ;)

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Paladine:

w00p my son is back :)

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|Torg|:

you could call it lack of error checking

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|Torg|:

persoannly I balem the brodcasters, and my conspiracy side says they do it on purpose :P

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Juski:

like errors you get if you delete a channel but that channel happens to be the last one tuned to in livetv... whoops.. livetv is now broken for you

[20:56:07]

Juski:

or when you rm -rf /* & realise it didn't know you didn't mean to type the /

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Juski:

;)

[20:56:44]

Juski:

sanity checking? heh... more like insanity checking

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minthome:

still importing music... *yawn

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|Torg|:

you did alais rf to rm -i, right?

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minthome:

:P

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Juski:

|Torg|: why would I do that? I know what I'm doing these days (mostly)

[20:57:53]

|Torg|:

becase if you like me you forget to type uname befoer you tel the box to reboot :P

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Juski:

moved to ubuntu today, and am resisting the temptation to bypass sudo

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|Torg|:

id rather think I know my own aberant behavior after Ive teken downa few servers over the years

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|Torg|:

hell I still ssh in as root

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Juski:

I stopped doing that today

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|Torg|:

im half tempted to simply run all of myth as root rahter then screw with permissions and devs al the damn time

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Jasper:

that's what I do

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Jasper:

:

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Jasper:

8)

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|Torg|:

whats bindings_perl give me?

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Paladine:

I run myth as my regular user and never had any issues with permissions

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xris:

|Torg|: perl bindings for mythtv. not really used yet, but will eventually be required for nuvexport.

[21:03:43]

xris:

and in trunk, are required for mythrename.pl

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** Paladine does the ubu dance with juski **

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|Torg|:

Paladine I belive you used knopmyth as a base, i built mine form dvd so I had to edit greoup setings and implictly give mythtv (the user) access to /dev/dvb an /dev/audio

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Paladine:

koff spluuter scuse me?

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|Torg|:

thanks xris Ill throw it in just to see, as long as it dosnt try to CPAN my perl im fine :P

[21:04:44]

Paladine:

give me some credit dude

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Paladine:

I built it from ansvn checkout

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Paladine:

knopmyth, how insulting

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|Torg|:

oh sorry I coulda swore you told me you used knopmyth tho

[21:05:13]

Paladine:

christ no

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xris:

|Torg|: no. it won't ever go into cpan, either, since it's tied to the specific mythtv version. I want to get away from the "this nuvexport requires a specific version of mythtv" thing

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Juski:

ffs guys there's nowt wrong with knoppmyth. thousands of folks have used it without any issues

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Paladine:

I am sure thousands of folks have

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|Torg|:

sorry Juski, no I wasnt bashign knopmyth

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Paladine:

but I am not a generic person :p

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Paladine:

if Iwanted generic "installed automagically" crap, I would run windows

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|Torg|:

actualy in my case I would rather someone had told me of knopmyth after I did it all fron scratch

[21:06:46]

Paladine:

actually I wouldn't, but you get my meaning ;)

[21:07:07]

|Torg|:

err befoer, you get the idea

[21:07:24]

Paladine:

I enjoyed building myth 0.20 fom svn checkout

[21:07:34]

Paladine:

cos i had never usee svn before

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Paladine:

so I learnt something new

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|Torg|:

I never could get the .20 to work, I still revert to .19 all the time and backport mythweb to .19

[21:08:05]

Juski:

pleh!

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|Torg|:

im currently compiling the trunk now to do my "lets see if it works this week test"

[21:08:19]

Paladine:

the first and only build I have made of myth was 0.20 and I haven't had any issues

[21:08:27]

Paladine:

I don't even have -fixes built

[21:09:08]

Paladine:

I guess I am just lucky :)

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|Torg|:

for some strange reason it seems to not like dvb when I upgrade from .19 to .20

[21:10:11]

Paladine:

I have oodles of plugins built too

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|Torg|:

I want the mythmoviewtime plugin to work, I cant seem to figure out how to get access to the xml listings from zap2it tho

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Juski:

I think all I'm missing now is tv channel icons

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|Torg|:

Juski can you make mythweb not show certain channels?

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Juski:

dunno

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|Torg|:

im debating wetehr I should just remofve them as all tha ti son them is weather, but then I guess they may start bcasting something on them

[21:18:19]

Paladine:

http://img.7chan.org/fur/src/1162040426812.jpg

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jammyd_:

evening

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** jammyd_ is trying to delete all the channels and do a re-scan, but selecing "delete channels" in mythtv-setup does nothing **

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jammyd_:

Any suggestions?

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Tomblaireau:

Nothing to do...I've GL headers, Qt QGLWidget headers...and mythtv still not compile correctly

[21:20:41]

jammyd_:

is there a table in the DB I can clear, to achieve the same effect? Or is that going to cause lots of issues

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Juski:

jammyd_: there's delete channels from a video source & delete _all_ channels

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jammyd_:

Where is delete all chanels, I can't see it?

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Tomblaireau:

xris: any other idea ?

[21:23:02]

xris:

Tomblaireau: what's the error now?

[21:23:07]

Tomblaireau:

same

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Tomblaireau:

xris: undefined external reference to QGLWidget::[...]

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xris:

did run ldconfig/etc when you installed the new libraries?

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asdlol:

hi!

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amarelinho:

Dagmar:

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amarelinho:

work

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Juski:

jammyd_: you're not trying hard enough

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asdlol:

i've installed correctly mythtv

[21:25:47]

Juski:

there's a video source selector in the channel editor menu, jammyd_

[21:25:55]

jammyd_:

Juski: I've been through every single option in mythtv-setup, there is no "Delete all channels" that I can see

[21:26:09]

jammyd_:

Yeah, I can see that, but as I said, *it doesn't work*

[21:26:32]

asdlol:

now i woud like to dualboot my linux system

[21:26:33]

Juski:

press D on a single channel

[21:26:57]

Juski:

asdlol: try asking in #dualbootsetups.. it's a bit beyond the scope of this channel

[21:26:58]

asdlol:

adding an option to start normally (kdm etc.) and another to start mythv in grub

[21:27:01]

jammyd_:

That seems to do the same thing as clicking the button, it presents the menu, but does nothing.

[21:27:03]

asdlol:

woa

[21:27:06]

asdlol:

tnx Juski!

[21:27:09]

jammyd_:

The channels still remain in the channel list

[21:27:14]

asdlol:

-.-

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Juski:

jammyd_: it should at least ask if you really want to delete the channel

[21:27:50]

Juski:

IIRC

[21:28:09]

jammyd_:

Yes, it does – "it presents the menu" should have said "it presents a confirmation dialog"

[21:28:33]

jammyd_:

Like I said though, it doesn't work — I'm really serious about this, *it doesn't work*

[21:28:36]

Juski:

jammyd_: might be time to flatten the db then

[21:28:39]

jammyd_:

Where is the "Delete all channels" you speak of?

[21:29:07]

Juski:

jammyd_: use the video source selector... it spins throught each source in turn and has an 'all' option

[21:29:30]

jammyd_:

That doesn't work either

[21:29:39]

jammyd_:

Which table in the DB can I clear?

[21:29:43]

Juski:

then your db is screwed

[21:29:56]

Juski:

the channel table.. but remember you'd just want to clear it

[21:30:01]

Juski:

not delete it

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Juski:

if you have channels you can't delete I'd be more worried about why you can't delete them

[21:30:44]

Juski:

and indeed how you got it into that state

[21:30:53]

Tomblaireau:

xris: I knew there was something like that to do to update ld.so.conf.. I'm trying. thanks

[21:31:04]

jammyd_:

I've no idea

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Juski:

bingo. lol

[21:31:24]

livingtm:

Im using a Plextor Convertx usb device. I can capture video using other software, but im not having much luck wiht mythtv

[21:31:38]

livingtm:

When attempting to scan channels, mythtv tells me "failed to open the card"

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Juski:

livingtm: well, in mythtv-setup did you tell myth it's a convertx ?

[21:32:11]

livingtm:

Juski, yes

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Juski:

and does the mythtv user have permissions to use it?

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livingtm:

Juski, would sudo methtv-setup take care of that?

[21:33:08]

Juski:

ooo the 'visit mythtv.org' texty linky has been moved out of the way... nice touch :)

[21:33:12]

Juski:

livingtm: nope

[21:33:23]

Juski:

add the user mythtv to the 'video' group I think

[21:33:39]

livingtm:

Juski, well mythtv user WAS able to use my other capture device

[21:33:52]

livingtm:

Juski, i just added the convertx

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Juski:

livingtm: that's not the same thing. does the mythtv user have permission to use the convertx – not the OTHER device

[21:34:51]

livingtm:

Juski the group video DOES include mythtv

[21:34:55]

Juski:

and while you're on checking that, make sure nothing else is using it either

[21:35:15]

livingtm:

Juski, sorry for the newb questions..but where do i set permissions on that device?

[21:35:26]

Juski:

what device is it ?

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livingtm:

Juski /dev/video2 i think.. not sure how to verify that

[21:35:56]

livingtm:

Juski is it simply filesystem permissions?

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Juski:

so do an ls -al /dev/video2

[21:36:21]

Juski:

and see which group owns it

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livingtm:

crw-rw---- 1 root video 81, 2 2006-10–28 22:08 /dev/video2

[21:36:40]

Juski:

hmm should be ok if that's the one

[21:36:54]

Juski:

try ls -al /dev/video*

[21:37:28]

livingtm:

all the same but lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 6 2006-10–28 22:08 /dev/video -> video2

[21:40:18]

livingtm:

in mythsetup under capturecards, when i select /dev/video2 ir says "probed info: Plextor PX....."

[21:40:34]

Juski:

heh. that answered my next question

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livingtm:

:-)

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livingtm:

If i can keep doing that i can leave you alone ;-)

[21:41:09]

Juski:

maybe scanning for channels with it won't work...

[21:41:21]

Juski:

some analogue devices don't _do_ channel scans

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livingtm:

Juski, hm is this considered analog? its a USB MPEG converter

[21:41:42]

Juski:

yeah it's analogue

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livingtm:

oh you mean analog tv tuner as opposed to like a digital cable tuner

[21:42:02]

Juski:

i.e. it has an analogue tuner designed to receive analogue TV

[21:42:07]

livingtm:

right

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Juski:

scanning generally doesn't work with Hauppauge pvr150 & pvr500 cards if I recall correctly

[21:42:39]

livingtm:

I dont know it this means anything, but i purchased it a while back for my wifes mac, it came wiht mac software.. .im pretty sure she could scan for channels with it

[21:43:02]

Juski:

yeah well being able to do it outside of mythtv is no indicator...

[21:43:08]

livingtm:

ok

[21:43:12]

Juski:

linux drivers are sometimes limited in their support

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livingtm:

okay so ill just have to add channels manually

[21:43:35]

Juski:

yup

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Juski:

it's not something you have to do very often, so it tends to only be a pain once ;)

[21:45:12]

livingtm:

yeha thats no problem

[21:45:20]

livingtm:

i just thought it might have meant my diriver wasnt working proprely

[21:45:29]

livingtm:

its was kindof a bitch to get running

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Juski:

welcome to Linux my friend ;)

[21:47:27]

livingtm:

well, the driver was originally written for an older kernel and hotplug

[21:47:40]

janneg:

is here someone using mythtv with qt-embedded?

[21:48:01]

livingtm:

i finally got it to compile for udev, then it woudlnt automatically download the firmware when the device was plugged in

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** jammyd_ sighs, the channel scan isn't finding all the channels now. **

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Juski:

livingtm: that's not a bad feat for a noob to pull off

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hydroksyde:

PVR150 can scan for channels

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Juski:

NTSC ones with the right version of ivtv driver can, yeah

[21:59:00]

hydroksyde:

mine is PAL

[21:59:06]

Juski:

really?

[21:59:09]

hydroksyde:

yes

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Juski:

which ivtv version?

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hydroksyde:

erm

[21:59:35]

hydroksyde:

I'll have a look

[21:59:35]

Juski:

not doubting you – it's good to know is all

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hydroksyde:

0.8.0

[22:00:02]

hydroksyde:

WinTV-PVR-150 model 1055

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Juski:

just I heard that analogue scanning was troublesome because the cards weren't passing VBI data

[22:00:28]

Juski:

does CC also work ?

[22:00:38]

Juski:

I imagine it does, if analogue scanning worked

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hydroksyde:

there's nothing in the VBI here

[22:01:07]

hydroksyde:

when I scan with my BT878 card with scantv

[22:01:14]

hydroksyde:

I get unknown for all channels

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Juski:

I was led to believe that was the reason anyway

[22:01:43]

Juski:

so – good news everyone!

[22:01:51]

hydroksyde:

there's VBI, and there's signal strength

[22:02:16]

hydroksyde:

if you're not tuned into a channel, you'll get nothing

[22:02:18]

Tomblaireau:

xris: No. exactly the same error

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Juski:

hydroksyde: anyway the main thing is, analogue scanning works in that version of ivtv, and that's good news because it didn't a while ago

[22:05:04]

robbins876:

Before I formatted and installed FC6, I had an icon that would load myth in a window that was like 400x300... How do I get that again?

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banyan:

hey what magic do I have to do to ensure that yum doesn't keep trying to 'update' faad2 in such a way that ends up breaking the dependency for libmp4v2.so.0?

[22:10:13]

hydroksyde:

quite exciting, this computer magic :p

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Sebulba02:

some kind of dark voodoo maybe, dunno :)

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banyan:

Ah, well, my fc6 update was going just fine until my computer froze up mid-install after the yum upgrade...

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banyan:

and I *almost* have it patched up except this issue.

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Gurft:

argh, I'm having DVD eject issues. For some reason my box has decided it no longer likes to eject media, I have to ssh in and run eject /dev/hdc as root to get it to work.

[22:13:27]

Gurft:

anyone run into this before?

[22:13:45]

jammyd_:

you meant the physical eject button doesn't work?

[22:14:01]

Gurft:

No, the "Eject Disc" from teh optical menu

[22:14:06]

Gurft:

Eject button doesn't work either.

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banyan:

Mine does that too, about half the time.

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Sebulba02:

check that the user running whatever the ejecting is has perm to the cdrom

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banyan:

you're ripping cds?

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Gurft:

DVDs

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Gurft:

user is in the cdrom group, has rw access on /dev/hdc. /dev/cdrom and /dev/dvd are both symlinks to /dev/hdc, their perms ore 777

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Gurft:

so perms look good.

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Gurft:

A-HA! I logged in to Ubuntu in X, and it looks like the automounter grabbed it

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Gurft:

any suggestions how to disable the automounter in Ubuntu, seems to be what's causing my sisue.

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Juski:

perms never look good. I had one once.. never again

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Gurft:

I'd give $5 for a picture of that.

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EnterUserName:

can you combine mythtv with amarok?

[22:23:57]

EnterUserName:

like you can with xine?

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clop:

trying to install lirc, it compiles fine but then when i try to "modprobe lirc_i2c", it says, "error inserting lirc_dev: invalid module format", etc.?

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Gurft:

have you updated GCC since you installed the kernel?

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Juski:

yikes! time for bed

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Juski:

g'nnight

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Gurft:

Or is the kernel compiled with GCC 3and you compiled the module with GCC 4?

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riksta:

EnterUserName: amarok uses xine or gstreamer backend

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xris:

or helix

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xris:

and not gstreamer. they dropped support for it

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Tomblaireau:

xris: I just made a paste on rfab if you want to see my error.

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xris:

Tomblaireau: paste the link here

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banyan:

how do I ensure I keep my libmp4v2.so.0 thru an update? I don't really understand what's going on because I have every repo but atrpms excluded for faad* and libmp4v2* so I don't understand how it thinks it's going to update it, but it thinks it is, and in the process wipes out the library.

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Tomblaireau:

http://rafb.net/paste/results/RRqPkr74.html

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Tomblaireau:

xris: any idea ?

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xris:

Tomblaireau: needs more context

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xris:

paste like the last 2 pages of the compile, including the failure message

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Tomblaireau:

k

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xris:

(and you might want to install ccache to speed up your recompiles)

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CBiLL:

HOwdy folks

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Tomblaireau:

xris: I'm sorry. Its really not easy to copy/paste error log from console...

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achew22:

Tomblaireau, is it repeatable?

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Tomblaireau:

xris: http://rafb.net/paste/results/ugInNX85.html

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Tomblaireau:

achew22: what ? my error ?

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achew22:

yes

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Tomblaireau:

achew22: it's not just repeatable, it's all the time :) I cant compile

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Tomblaireau:

systematic :)

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achew22:

if you pipe them to a file you can load it in gedit or kate or whatever and copy paste

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achew22:

when you run make next time and need to copy type "make > ~/compile.log"

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Tomblaireau:

achew22: I dont have any X environment at the moment

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achew22:

ohh

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Tomblaireau:

I have the log file

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achew22:

poor Tomblaireau

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Tomblaireau:

lol

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achew22:

ssh in?

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Tomblaireau:

Im on irssi, with lynx and gpm :)

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Tomblaireau:

damn, I'm a dumb :)

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Con-fuze-ed:

Hello... a simple question... I am building a new masterbackend machine and updating to .20 from .19.... what is the recommended process for doing this?

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Tomblaireau:

I'll post my file on ftp

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xris:

Tomblaireau: I'm at a loss. do you know if qt was compiled with gl support, etc>

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xris:

?

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Tomblaireau:

xris: I searched a little

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achew22:

well Tomblaireau your in superb hands with xris helping

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Tomblaireau:

http://glecocq1.free.fr/arch/log

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xris:

achew22: not for compiling stuff. heh

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achew22:

i've been disillusioned

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Tomblaireau:

here's my log from compiling

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Tomblaireau:

http://glecocq1.free.fr/arch/log

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Tomblaireau:

full log :)

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Gurft:

what window manager do you guys run, I've been workign fine for months wihtout one, but now that I'm trying to get mythgame working, I see the need for it....

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CBiLL:

wonder if the intel processor is gonna drop in price during hoilday season

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Tomblaireau:

xris: I can manage to recompile qt if needed. I already did last time because I though there was a problem with it.

[23:00:16]

xris:

Gurft: any of the "box" ones is good for a lightweight option

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reeddler:

Gurft, fluxbox

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xris:

CBiLL: they'll drop slightly when the quad core stuff comes out, but rumor is not much.

[23:00:56]

xris:

Tomblaireau: that's the only thing I can think of. looks vaguely like your version of qt doesn't have the gl stuff compiled in.

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GreyFoxx:

Gurft: ICeWMhere

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xris:

you'll also want to make sure that mysql is compiled into qt, too

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Tomblaireau:

xris: mysql is..i'm sure

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CBiLL:

did rumor say when quad is suppose to come out?

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Tomblaireau:

xris: qt I think so. Because gl was previously an extension of qt, but not anymore

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Tomblaireau:

xris: but I saw that I need to activate thread support, and I dont jknow if it were

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Jasper:

Juski are you here?

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Tomblaireau:

xris: And I check on /opt/qt/mkspecs/qmake.conf and QT_INCDIR_OPENGL and QT_LIBDIR_OPENGL are defined

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xris:

odd

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achew22:

is there an undelete in ext3?

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xris:

theoretically, but I don't know of any way to actually do it

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|Torg|:

achew22 did you write anything to the disk after you deleted the file?

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achew22:

no just deleted it — and its no loss I just don't want to download it again

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achew22:

its kindof big

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|Torg|:

well its posible to use one of the experimental undelete programs to do so

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achew22:

so emerge -s undelete?

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|Torg|:

probolem is if you download a new program to undelete the file you run a very likly risk of loosing the one you delted as it will ocupy its new inodes

[23:08:43]

|Torg|:

so your sorta screwed as in a chicken and egg kinda way

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achew22:

yes... well I may want it later so I'll dl it

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hydroksyde:

umount the partition

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achew22:

its my /

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hydroksyde:

and mount it read only

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hydroksyde:

use a live CD

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achew22:

lol its not important enough to do that

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achew22:

i'll just download it again

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|Torg|:

and you want to emerge e2undel or recover not undelete

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achew22:

i'm feeling good about this

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achew22:

|Torg| is it really called e2undel? I don't see that

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|Torg|:

for debain it is

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|Torg|:

your going to use ext2 tools on your ext3 partiation

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|Torg|:

e2undel – Undelete utility for the ext2 file system

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achew22:

meh — I just got the order to not try and undrm the file so whatever it doesn't matter any more

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achew22:

thanks for the try though

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|Torg|:

well unless you go back and undelete them nearly immediatly there is a very good chance you cant recover the file

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achew22:

the person who wants the file undrm'd is just going to use the analog loophole

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|Torg|:

wait, you were doing this for a user?

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Gurft:

anyone using fvwm as their window manager behind myth?

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Gurft:

I keep getting window titles, can't make them go away for some reason.

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achew22:

|Torg|, doing it for someone who got a song from their university's song library and wanted me to hear it

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|Torg|:

achew22 tell them the undelete command is called tar then :P

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RandomDude16:

what does it mean when it says " could not open network socket "?

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achew22:

|Torg|, thats just mean enough to do

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Con-fuze-ed:

Can anyone explain the process of moving a mythtv install to a new machine?

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achew22:

Con-fuze-ed, what an apt name

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xris:

RandomDude16: firewall, selinux or target socket just isn't open (program not running).

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achew22:

Con-fuze-ed, do you plan on saving your recordings?

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RandomDude16:

How do I fix it?

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Con-fuze-ed:

achew22: thanks... of course

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xris:

RandomDude16: depends on what's causing it (and what you're trying to do)

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RandomDude16:

Just trying to start up mythbackend.

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xris:

Con-fuze-ed: rsync is your friend.

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Tomblaireau:

xris: thank you anyway. I'm gonna try to solve my problem tomorrow. thks again

[23:17:02]

xris:

Tomblaireau: good luck

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xris:

(and sleep well)

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RandomDude16:

Do I have to forward the myth port to my router?

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xris:

RandomDude16: myth is giving you that error?

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Con-fuze-ed:

xris: I figured I would do that... more important though is the DB... do I just dump it on the old machine and merge it into mythconverg on the new machine?

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RandomDude16:

yes

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RandomDude16:

root@chris-desktop:/home/chris# /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend start

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RandomDude16:

Starting MythTV server: mythbackendSession management error: Could not open network socket

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RandomDude16:

.

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xris:

Con-fuze-ed: Theoretically, you could just rsync the db to the new machine, as long as mysql is stopped on both machines at the time

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|Torg|:

actually achew22 its not mean its to tech them to back up their files. Nobody gives a damn about DR untill they need it

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GreyFoxx:

Anyone here using SVN head from the last 24 hours ?

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xris:

RandomDude16: make sure mysql is running..

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achew22:

Con-fuze-ed, what I would do (and this may not be the best way) is upgrade to .20 then export your db to the new computer import it there install myth on that box and it should just load then over the course of the next few days use rsync to copy all your recordings to your myth recording folder

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|Torg|:

im compiing it GreyFoxx, havnt used it yet

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RandomDude16:

It is.

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xris:

GreyFoxx: you had me by a day or so.

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GreyFoxx:

|Torg|: I'm curious if you run into a compile error in myhtplugins/mythgame/mythgame/gamesettings.cpp

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xris:

RandomDude16: selinux running or disabled?

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RandomDude16:

idk

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Con-fuze-ed:

achew: I was a little be concerned about the upgrade and move too.

[23:19:29]

RandomDude16:

how do i check

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GreyFoxx:

Someone reported it to the list from achange I did yesterday but it compiles fine for me on all the machines I've tried

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Con-fuze-ed:

achew: would it be safe to install .20 then just merge the old mythconverg db over it? hmm

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Sebulba02:

I did an update to 0.20 of my live 0.19 db, no sweat (make a backup though)

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Con-fuze-ed:

that is good... but I am moving to a new machine too

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achew22:

Con-fuze-ed, yes just make sure you backup

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|Torg|:

ok GreyFoxx, you want that thru distcc or plain? intel or amd? I can do any of those

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Con-fuze-ed:

I need to know if I should merge the DB then install... or intall then merge... does it matter?

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Sebulba02:

I don't see why it would.

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Con-fuze-ed:

Also I'd like to store all swings and the DB in the mythtv users /home dir... how do I change where the mythconverg db is rooted?

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minthome:

can i control myth with a usb joystick?

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xris:

Con-fuze-ed: you'd have to mess with mysql's settings at that point. not something I'd recommend, though

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Con-fuze-ed:

or is that a bad idea

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minthome:

i assume yes, but I've not seen any type of setup for that

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xris:

minthome: mythtv theoretically has joystick support. never used it myself, though

[23:23:55]

minthome:

xris, any idea where it's hiding ?

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xris:

minthome: all I know is that it's a compile option

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Con-fuze-ed:

thanks for the help all... wish me luck

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GreyFoxx:

|Torg|: Any is fine. I'mguessing it's got something to due with different versions of GCC that he is using compared to me

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RandomDude16:

anyone?

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|Torg|:

gcc version 3.3.5 (Debian 1:3.3.5–13)

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GreyFoxx:

minthome: IT's just a compile option. If support is in there you just need to make a joystick menu config file which I think is documented in the wiki

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GreyFoxx:

|Torg|: 3.3.4 here

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|Torg|:

I have issues with distcc and differing gcc versions so I have all 4 systems the same

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RandomDude16:

brb

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CBiLL:

got a questino

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CBiLL:

question .. audio question .. coax analog R/L (red/white) .. how does one get those from a motherboard sound jack?

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CBiLL:

using an adapter?

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RaYmAn-Bx:

you mean standard red/white phono plug? Then yes, you can get adapters

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CBiLL:

yeah

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CBiLL:

so basically you plug into computer speaker out?

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CBiLL:

then into your a/v reciever or tv?

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RaYmAn-Bx:

that's what I do at least :)

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CBiLL:

alright thanks .. wasn't sure how the audio side works

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RaYmAn-Bx:

some cards have digital out which should be pretty nice if you have an a/v receiver that supports it

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CBiLL:

I do but I blew the digital circuit out on it

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CBiLL:

so using analog until I get a new one or see if the optical works

[23:29:29]

CBiLL:

I haven't gotten around to testing the optical but I bet it on the same circuit anyway

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mmde:

Hi, I have a mythtv 0.20 setup, fedora core 4 with the atrpms mythtv rpms, combined front-end/back-end system. Things are mostly working, but I have two strange problems.

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mmde:

I have two pvr150s and no matter what I set the recording size to, I get 480x480.

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mmde:

This could be a ivtv problem, but when I set the size with ivtvctl and record a video directly, I get 720x480

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anemone_:

what release do i need to get protocol version 31?

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mmde:

So even though I set 720x480 in mythtv, it doesn't appear to use that resolution

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aib:

my Hauppauge 150 isn't being detected correctly. lspci does show an MPEG-2 encoder, and i've insalled the ivtv drivers, but i don't have /dev/video* or /dev/dtv*

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Gurft:

aib, do you have a /dev/v4l?

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aib:

no

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Gurft:

hrm... what do you see in dmesg when it loads teh ivtv driver? any error messages like "unable to locate firmware"

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Gurft:

w00t, only took me 20 minutes to get Myth running under fvwm instead of no WM, and now I've got xmame working... just have to figure out how to get it to exit out...

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RandomDude16:

I need help with mythbackend still.

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aib:

i may need to reboot, bbl

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mmde:

if nobody has any suggestions on my first question, I guess I will try the second... All of my recordings from my pvr150s only have mono audio. ivtvctl -Z says that stereo audio is not an available subchannel. Anyone seen this before?

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anemone_:

anybody know what release uses protocol version 31?

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mmde:

This I think is a ivtv problem, not a mythtv problem, but others must have encountered this before

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minthome:

can someone tell me a DNS server please? mine are dead

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minthome:

pelase

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minthome:

<->

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RaYmAn-Bx:

minthome: 208.67.222.222

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minthome:

thank you

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|Torg|:

anemone_ version 11597, what is in relase-20-fixes now

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RaYmAn-Bx:

it belongs to www.opendns.com

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minthome:

yay, perfect. mine were not telling me the ip of gentoo-wiki.com

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|Torg|:

GreyFoxx mythgame compiles fine, not even a warning. Unlike mythtv wich has depicated libavformat calls as well as a few class warnings

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|Torg|:

othter then the warnings it all compiles, and installs fine

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anemone_:

|Torg|: awesome, thanks

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|Torg|:

brb goana] go eat

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