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| [00:01:38] | simon_c_home: | bahh. getting to late. can't see straight. |
| [00:01:42] | simon_c_home: | try agian tomorrow i think. |
| [00:01:43] | achew22: | how do you skip a bootup item? |
| [00:01:54] | kormoc: | depends on the distro |
| [00:01:59] | achew22: | ubuntu |
| [00:02:07] | achew22: | its stuck on something involving /var/lib/mythtv |
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| [00:05:30] | CrocoJet: | anyone have this board PlayTV Pro Ultra – CX23883 – PixelView |
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| [00:06:16] | kormoc: | CrocoJet, what do you want to know? |
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| [00:10:20] | CrocoJet: | if really is good board |
| [00:10:36] | kormoc: | men |
| [00:10:44] | kormoc: | not compaired to a PVR 150/500 |
| [00:11:15] | CrocoJet: | ok, here Brazil ... very hard find hauppauge boards ... |
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| [00:12:37] | CrocoJet: | may be that board is totally compatible and friendly with mythtv (PlayTV Pro Ultra CX23883 PixelView) |
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| [00:12:44] | CrocoJet: | is = is not |
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| [00:34:24] | Borromini: | gentlemen do you make your front ends log in automatically? |
| [00:34:28] | Borromini: | or how do you do that? |
| [00:34:30] | Borromini: | i'd like to know |
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| [00:35:29] | stuarta: | is a configuration for you xdm/gdm to make a user log in automatically |
| [00:35:37] | Borromini: | k |
| [00:35:43] | Borromini: | then start up the front end |
| [00:35:49] | Borromini: | i'll have to look into that... |
| [00:36:21] | stuarta: | and that's done from the users config files. it's a good learning exercise tracking that down |
| [00:36:35] | Borromini: | hehe :) |
| [00:37:16] | Borromini: | i first need to get livetv to work |
| [00:37:22] | Borromini: | for now it still isn't, so... |
| [00:37:26] | Borromini: | well i'm out |
| [00:37:27] | Borromini: | ttyl |
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| [00:37:48] | stuarta: | Kelerion: you tried retro-OSD ?? |
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| [00:50:06] | jvs|nb: | I'm off to bed, good nite |
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| [00:55:36] | mjelva: | is there something i need to do to give keyboard commands to mplayer when starting it through myth? when i start mplayer from commandline i can control it just fine, but when i start it from the media library, it just plays the video without letting me do anything. |
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| [01:03:36] | fryfrog: | mjelva: could it maybe not have focus? |
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| [01:06:26] | CBiLL: | Howdy folks |
| [01:06:49] | mjelva: | fryfrog: perhaps. how do i fix? |
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| [01:13:08] | CBiLL: | oh nice mobo http://www.asus.com/news_show.aspx?id=3932 |
| [01:13:56] | Zider: | all asus mobos are nice ;) |
| [01:14:04] | CBiLL: | yeah too bad it not out yet |
| [01:14:23] | Zider: | and yes, the P5B series are really nice |
| [01:14:24] | CBiLL: | however if it come out within a month I probably will wind up with it =P |
| [01:14:31] | Zider: | I have the "stock" P5B |
| [01:14:51] | CBiLL: | cool |
| [01:14:57] | CBiLL: | hrmm this seem to be a full atx size |
| [01:14:58] | CBiLL: | oh shoot |
| [01:15:19] | Zider: | so? |
| [01:15:34] | CBiLL: | I like micro but I think it will come in micro size too |
| [01:16:34] | Zider: | you don't have room for a full-atx? |
| [01:16:50] | CBiLL: | well this system I am putting together is gonna be pure htpc |
| [01:17:14] | Zider: | and the case don't take full-atx? |
| [01:17:20] | CBiLL: | nope |
| [01:17:28] | CBiLL: | it matx case I wanted |
| [01:17:50] | CBiLL: | really no reason for me to go full size .. I have no other need for more slots etc |
| [01:18:37] | CBiLL: | so it will look nicely in my enteriment shelf |
| [01:18:44] | Zider: | ;) |
| [01:18:56] | CBiLL: | I am tempted to go with antec fusion |
| [01:19:04] | CBiLL: | but I wish it didn't have that stupid volume control |
| [01:19:31] | Zider: | good, cheap htpc casesseems to be very rare |
| [01:19:53] | CBiLL: | I liked the other antec case |
| [01:19:57] | CBiLL: | the nsk2400 |
| [01:20:06] | CBiLL: | but no firewire on the front .. fusion have it |
| [01:20:13] | CBiLL: | 8-/ |
| [01:20:30] | Zider: | do you need fw on the front? |
| [01:20:38] | CBiLL: | yeah camcoder |
| [01:21:03] | Zider: | ah |
| [01:21:07] | CBiLL: | I don't think I would use it often |
| [01:21:29] | Zider: | I don't have any fw at all, only USB |
| [01:21:39] | CBiLL: | so I probably will go ahead and that cheaper antec case if I need the fw Ill just reach behind the case |
| [01:22:04] | CBiLL: | with usb2 |
| [01:22:16] | CBiLL: | I don't know it fw will coutiune to be popular |
| [01:22:45] | artos: | has anyone started making camcorders with anything other than firewire? |
| [01:22:58] | CBiLL: | no idea .. mine quite old |
| [01:23:05] | artos: | yeah, I haven't checked in years |
| [01:23:14] | CBiLL: | me either |
| [01:23:21] | Zider: | I haven't looked at camcorders at all.. ;) |
| [01:23:24] | CBiLL: | my new camera is usb2 now |
| [01:23:31] | CBiLL: | photos goes to the computer quite fast |
| [01:23:35] | CBiLL: | and I have a 2 gig card in it |
| [01:23:51] | Zider: | I just putthe card in a reader |
| [01:23:57] | Zider: | nocables needed ;) |
| [01:23:57] | artos: | I'm still trying to figure out what case I want. there isn't as easy of a selection for htpc cases, unfortunately |
| [01:24:13] | LLyric: | artos: there's LOTS of reviews around the place :) |
| [01:24:19] | CBiLL: | well there are great number of htpc cases |
| [01:24:24] | CBiLL: | just they are hard to find |
| [01:24:34] | LLyric: | It's all a tradeoff between money, asthetics, price, size and features |
| [01:24:40] | artos: | yeah, I've been starting by looking at the cases available at places I've previously bought stuff from online |
| [01:24:43] | LLyric: | oops, said money twice :) |
| [01:24:51] | artos: | problem I find is that most cases can only fit one hard-drive |
| [01:24:55] | Zider: | LLyric: twice as important? ;) |
| [01:24:56] | artos: | at least, the ones I've looked at |
| [01:25:15] | ** LLyric always puts his "bit storage" on a machine in a back room, rather than on the htpc itself ** | |
| [01:25:19] | CBiLL: | well htpc been around for some time but htpc just started to get popular so htpc type of cases just came into the market |
| [01:25:28] | LLyric: | that way the machine can either netboot (diskless) or just have a system disk |
| [01:25:33] | CBiLL: | have you seen the antec htpc cases? |
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| [01:25:44] | artos: | I have a back-end file server |
| [01:25:57] | artos: | but still would like 2 hd's in the htpc |
| [01:26:01] | LLyric: | Why? |
| [01:26:24] | artos: | hmm. no good reason. :p |
| [01:26:29] | CBiLL: | or the silvertek cases http://www.silverstonetek.com/ |
| [01:26:35] | CBiLL: | real nice looking cases but kinda pricey |
| [01:26:41] | mjelva: | silverstone cases are sexy |
| [01:26:51] | mjelva: | i got me an LC20M the other day |
| [01:26:52] | CBiLL: | and the htpc ones you need to use a riser card |
| [01:27:37] | artos: | I picked up the pchdtv-2000 back before the courts told the FCC to take a hike about the whole broadcast flag thing. but I got busy with work and haven't put together the box yet. :) |
| [01:27:49] | artos: | er. 3000 |
| [01:28:24] | mjelva: | CBiLL: only for the slimline cases |
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| [01:28:33] | mjelva: | most of them are pretty roomy |
| [01:28:46] | CBiLL: | well I always consider htpc to be slim anyway |
| [01:29:00] | artos: | what do most of you use for a video card/tv-output? |
| [01:29:15] | CBiLL: | most folks use nvidia |
| [01:29:16] | mjelva: | depends, i guess. silverstone has one or two slim models |
| [01:29:21] | CBiLL: | since it widely supported |
| [01:29:30] | artos: | yeah, I wasn't planning on ati because of bad linux support. |
| [01:29:39] | mjelva: | it's fine, depending on your distro |
| [01:29:52] | mjelva: | and your card |
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| [01:30:20] | CBiLL: | ati suppose to have better mpeg hardware but that was like years ago when I was told |
| [01:30:21] | mjelva: | i tried making an old geforce3 ti200 work, but couldn't. so i bought a 30 dollar fx5200, and made it work in 15 minutes. |
| [01:30:23] | artos: | I want to plug the system into and HDTV and the ati drivers don't let you muck with enough to get the picture nice. |
| [01:30:40] | mjelva: | fx5200 isn't nearly high-end enough for HDTV, tho |
| [01:30:40] | CBiLL: | gforce 3 don't have mpeg hardware I don't think |
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| [01:31:44] | Zider: | mjelva: Ithought it was only the cpu that wouldbe too slow for hdtv |
| [01:32:17] | mjelva: | you don't need a graphics card that supports it? |
| [01:32:36] | mjelva: | i could be wrong. i've just noticed that some cards are marked 'HDTV' lately. |
| [01:32:38] | CBiLL: | hdtv can do up to 1080i so you want to make sure your video card are capiable of handling |
| [01:32:39] | artos: | I wouldn't think so as long as the graphics card can do 720p |
| [01:32:42] | artos: | or 1080i |
| [01:32:47] | Zider: | only the resolution, and I doubt a fx5200 would have any problems with that |
| [01:32:52] | artos: | I know my current cards can't do 1080i |
| [01:32:53] | mjelva: | :cool: |
| [01:33:04] | mjelva: | my telly can't tho, so it's no big |
| [01:33:20] | mjelva: | and i'm not the kind of retard who spends his student loan three months in a row on a tv |
| [01:33:29] | CBiLL: | lol |
| [01:33:48] | Zider: | hdtv is just hype imo.. SDTV is well enough for many more years.. :P |
| [01:33:52] | artos: | do any of you have experience with vga->component transcoders? |
| [01:34:22] | Tronic: | Component video is kinda b0rked. |
| [01:34:40] | artos: | my tv only has one hdcp input, and it's tied up already. :) |
| [01:35:11] | Zider: | I only have scart :P |
| [01:35:20] | artos: | ah |
| [01:35:21] | Tronic: | You know, the stuff comes from DVD/PC/Xbox/whatever in digital RGB. Then you convert it into analog YUV for component video. Then it gets transmitted over to display, where it is then converted back to digital RGB. |
| [01:35:36] | Tronic: | SCART has analog RGB at least. |
| [01:35:43] | Tronic: | But it doesn't work for HD :/ |
| [01:36:00] | Tronic: | (AFAIK) |
| [01:36:07] | artos: | Tronic, yeah I Know. but like I mentioned. My tv only has one digital input, and I don't want to use it for my myth box |
| [01:36:14] | Zider: | I'm not doing hdtv anyway :) |
| [01:36:21] | CBiLL: | I am |
| [01:36:28] | CBiLL: | for a clear clean picture over the air |
| [01:36:31] | fryfrog: | artos: what *are* you using the one hdmi port for then? |
| [01:36:37] | Tronic: | Zider: I already did a long time ago. I don't have a TV, though. |
| [01:36:48] | artos: | satellite receiver |
| [01:36:53] | fryfrog: | ah |
| [01:36:57] | fryfrog: | HD from it? |
| [01:36:59] | Tronic: | Just a display, instead of "TV". |
| [01:37:10] | artos: | yeah |
| [01:37:17] | fryfrog: | does it have a firewire port? |
| [01:37:29] | fryfrog: | i've wondered if any sat boxes have firewire like cable stbs |
| [01:37:58] | artos: | yeah, I think it does |
| [01:38:08] | fryfrog: | you thought of trying mythtv hooked to its firewire port? |
| [01:38:20] | artos: | I hadn't, but that's a good idea |
| [01:38:28] | fryfrog: | i have a pair of Motorola DCT6412's hooked to my myth box, gets HD in super pretty ness :) |
| [01:38:34] | fryfrog: | its worth a try, at least |
| [01:38:54] | fryfrog: | and even SD is perfect, unlike over analog cable |
| [01:39:18] | CBiLL: | motorola is a cablebox? |
| [01:39:20] | fryfrog: | for me at least |
| [01:39:28] | fryfrog: | motorola *makes* cable boxes :) |
| [01:39:30] | artos: | I'm getting an antenna put up next week. if all goes well, reception wise, I've been considering droping my satellite just to cut down expenses. |
| [01:39:38] | artos: | so, that would leave my hdcp port open |
| [01:39:39] | fryfrog: | artos: ah |
| [01:39:41] | CBiLL: | and you can get video from it firewire? |
| [01:39:46] | fryfrog: | yup |
| [01:39:52] | fryfrog: | I have 2x HD STBs |
| [01:39:55] | artos: | can you just plug a computer into an hdcp port? |
| [01:40:01] | artos: | from the video card dvi out? |
| [01:40:02] | fryfrog: | it isn't an hdcp port |
| [01:40:05] | fryfrog: | its an hdmi |
| [01:40:08] | artos: | er |
| [01:40:10] | artos: | yeah, hdmi. :) |
| [01:40:15] | fryfrog: | and you can get a dvi -> hdmi cable online for like $5 |
| [01:40:21] | CBiLL: | wow I thought cable companies wouldn't be that easy and restrict anyone trying to get HD video unless you lease thier PVR units |
| [01:40:22] | fryfrog: | don't buy one at best buy, they are like $100 there :p |
| [01:40:36] | fryfrog: | CBiLL: actually, what i have *is* a pair of their dvr units |
| [01:40:45] | fryfrog: | but only cause i got lucky and they ran out of plain old hd stbs |
| [01:41:03] | artos: | aha. I didn't realize there were dvi to hdmi convertors. |
| [01:41:04] | fryfrog: | aparantly, on the non-dvr set top boxes, they encrypt some content |
| [01:41:16] | fryfrog: | but i read about some guy that also found his dvr didn't encrypted anything |
| [01:41:25] | fryfrog: | artos: it isn't a converter, hdmi and dvi are pin compatible |
| [01:41:40] | fryfrog: | artos: hdmi is just smaller (and totally different, of course) and contains audio |
| [01:41:47] | CBiLL: | so you get to use a dvr box as a standard hd stb but record it in mythtv htpc? |
| [01:41:49] | artos: | yeah |
| [01:42:13] | fryfrog: | CBiLL: yup, my "hd dvr" boxes don't *record* anything |
| [01:42:22] | fryfrog: | CBiLL: mythtv just controls them over firewire and records their signal |
| [01:42:24] | CBiLL: | damn your lucky |
| [01:42:37] | fryfrog: | CBiLL: I also have 2 air2pc cards in my master backend, they only get about 6 channels in HD from cable |
| [01:42:44] | fryfrog: | CBiLL: the STBs get like... 8? |
| [01:42:54] | fryfrog: | TNTHD and DHD |
| [01:42:54] | CBiLL: | I wondered about those lower channel HDs |
| [01:43:03] | CBiLL: | I thought they would be encrypted by now |
| [01:43:14] | fryfrog: | *but* the STB tunes *all* the normal SD channels and spits em out the firewire just fine :) |
| [01:43:24] | CBiLL: | yeah that is real nice |
| [01:43:26] | fryfrog: | so i can even record digital channels in the 75+ range |
| [01:43:40] | fryfrog: | of course, I don't have HBO or anything |
| [01:43:43] | CBiLL: | no need to hassle with a tuner card etc |
| [01:43:45] | fryfrog: | so maybe *some* channels are encrypted |
| [01:43:49] | fryfrog: | but none of the ones i tried |
| [01:43:57] | CBiLL: | I meant local channel on cable |
| [01:44:02] | artos: | I guess comcast doesn't encrypt their hdtv yet. my brother just told me he was able to decode it with his hd5500 on his basic cable connection. |
| [01:44:03] | fryfrog: | CBiLL: yeah, but it costs like $10/mo to rent one cable box :/ |
| [01:44:19] | fryfrog: | artos: legally, i don't think they are allowed to encrypt the FTA stations |
| [01:44:19] | CBiLL: | arent they encrypted by now that your require to use a cable box to dencrypted them? |
| [01:44:28] | artos: | fryfrog, ahh |
| [01:44:29] | fryfrog: | comcast in my area sure *does* encrypt TNTHD and DHD |
| [01:45:13] | CBiLL: | I do know that they cannot no longer force you to use "thier" STB and that you can go buy your own and they are require to make it work |
| [01:45:15] | artos: | I'm about 15 miles west of all the transmitters in portland, so I want to give the whole antenna thing a try. shouldn't have any reception problems |
| [01:45:19] | fryfrog: | artos: of course, it is only like 6 or 7 stations. not that there are any more than that FTA |
| [01:45:22] | CBiLL: | using cablecard |
| [01:45:25] | Zider: | do you guys have to pay a license for owning a tv, like us swedes? |
| [01:45:30] | fryfrog: | artos: you'd prolly get them with a rabit ears |
| [01:45:32] | CBiLL: | licence?? |
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| [01:45:36] | fryfrog: | Zider: no, you suckers :) |
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| [01:45:42] | CBiLL: | damn man your goverment is bleeding you |
| [01:45:49] | Zider: | well, I don't pay it.. but I'm supposed to.. :P |
| [01:45:54] | fryfrog: | Zider: we have to pay in the form of 20 minutes of commercials for every 40 minutes of programming :/ |
| [01:46:02] | Zider: | I officially don't have a tv ;) |
| [01:46:07] | CBiLL: | lol |
| [01:46:07] | fryfrog: | ahha |
| [01:46:09] | fryfrog: | you pirate :p |
| [01:46:14] | Zider: | fryfrog: ssssch ;) |
| [01:46:22] | CBiLL: | where the number of swede licenecing office? |
| [01:46:31] | Zider: | I don't watch their crappy "free" channels anyway |
| [01:46:44] | CBiLL: | let see for a e6600 Ill keep my mouth shut |
| [01:46:49] | CBiLL: | 8-) |
| [01:47:03] | fryfrog: | whelp, time for bed :) |
| [01:47:07] | CBiLL: | nn fryfrog |
| [01:47:07] | Zider: | CBiLL: you have humor ;) |
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| [01:48:02] | CBiLL: | heheh |
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| [01:55:24] | mk500: | hi all |
| [01:55:38] | mk500: | anyone find channels disappearing out of their Zap2It listings? |
| [01:56:16] | mk500: | Myth doesn't try to adjust Zap2It settings does it? I'm assuming it's some problem on the Zap2It side... |
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| [02:14:55] | clop: | hi, is there a way to get mythtv to play video files on my hard drive that i didn't record with it? |
| [02:15:07] | tank-man: | yes, install mythvideo plugin |
| [02:15:18] | tank-man: | uses mplayer to play i think |
| [02:15:40] | clop: | i went through the install for it, but i don't see it in any of the menus in mythfrontend... is it supposed to be there somewhere? |
| [02:16:11] | tank-man: | yea, in the setup menu in mythfrontend |
| [02:16:44] | tank-man: | pick setup (?) and then you got 2 choices, one for setup of video and one for mythtv |
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| [02:17:05] | clop: | yeah, "music tools" showed up from when i installed the mythmusic plugin, but i dont see a video one :( |
| [02:17:18] | tank-man: | maybe it is not installed |
| [02:17:45] | clop: | i will try rebuilding it |
| [02:17:54] | tank-man: | utilites/setup -> video manager |
| [02:18:30] | clop: | i probably screwd up the --prefix on configure or something |
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| [02:19:19] | clop: | dang, still no luck |
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| [02:27:22] | clop: | any idea where i might look for debugging info for it? |
| [02:28:23] | tank-man: | after make install, does it say any errors? |
| [02:29:08] | clop: | i get a few errors i guess during make install... |
| [02:29:14] | clop: | strip: /share/mythtv/mythvideo/scripts/allocine.pl: File format not recognized |
| [02:29:15] | clop: | make[1]: [install_installscripts] Error 1 (ignored) |
| [02:29:27] | clop: | and the same for a couple of other .pl files |
| [02:29:40] | clop: | but that's it, otherwise it looks good |
| [02:30:38] | tank-man: | using default install prefix? |
| [02:30:49] | clop: | that was with --prefix=/usr |
| [02:30:54] | clop: | which is i think what i've been using all along |
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| [02:31:32] | tank-man: | whys it say /share/mythtv/mythtvideo/scripts/... i didnt know it installed there |
| [02:31:43] | clop: | yeah thats strange |
| [02:34:50] | clop: | it does seem like that stuff should probably be in /usr/share |
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| [02:51:49] | McQuaid: | How do I change the font size in the epg? |
| [02:51:57] | McQuaid: | is this normally only set by the theme? |
| [02:52:06] | McQuaid: | If so is there a good one for small tvs? |
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| [03:29:07] | jams: | that leafers theme is rather bright |
| [03:29:20] | gentoo-user7184: | I am having a problem with mythtv .19 ebuild of gentoo |
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| [03:29:37] | gentoo-user7184: | i am unable to use the built in transcode job |
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| [03:31:18] | jams: | sorry to hear that |
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| [03:32:43] | gentoo-user7184: | i have a feeling it has to do with the how it calls the files |
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| [03:42:08] | Anduin: | gentoo-user7184: If done right it cannot work, and the dev channel isn't a fallback |
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| [03:47:46] | JDStone: | how do I set-up/use mythweb? |
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| [03:53:13] | JDStone: | how do I find the password that the mythconverge db uses? |
| [03:54:14] | JDStone: | nm, got it |
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| [05:10:36] | TakKovacs: | Is anyone running kernel 2.6.18 here with dvb successfully ? |
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| [05:35:14] | Juski: | TakKovacs: why do you ask? |
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| [05:38:41] | TakKovacs: | Hi Juski, everything was working fine with 2.6.17..did an upgrade last night...and now one tuner on my dvico dual digital cannot get lock. The other works fine |
| [05:39:01] | Juski: | ah |
| [05:39:11] | TakKovacs: | reading various mailing lists, it seems to be a common complaint with 2.6.18 |
| [05:39:15] | Juski: | are the devices nodes all getting created? |
| [05:39:20] | TakKovacs: | yes |
| [05:39:27] | Juski: | eew |
| [05:39:45] | TakKovacs: | yep..its really weird..if I go back to 2.6.17 it works fine |
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| [05:40:02] | Juski: | you could try checking out linuxtv stuff from mercurial & trying their modules |
| [05:40:11] | Juski: | http://www.linuxtv.org/repo/ |
| [05:40:20] | TakKovacs: | no errors that I can find..just 0% signal strength and channel scanning doesn't find anything.. |
| [05:40:32] | TakKovacs: | hmmm yes..might be worth a try.. |
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| [05:40:52] | Juski: | failing that I'm sure someone in #linuxtv might have the answers |
| [05:41:10] | TakKovacs: | think I'll just stay on 2.6.17 and wait a while..yes..I'll go and have a look over there.. |
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| [05:41:34] | TakKovacs: | thanks for the input |
| [05:41:55] | Juski: | why were you looking to upgrade a working kernel anyway? |
| [05:42:14] | TakKovacs: | well I did a yum upgrade and it came as part of the deal... |
| [05:42:21] | Juski: | ach |
| [05:42:26] | Juski: | fair enough :) |
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| [05:42:31] | TakKovacs: | :-) |
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| [05:42:35] | Juski: | I hate it when distros do that |
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| [05:43:20] | TakKovacs: | yep..I think I can do a --ignore kernel or something like that to stop it..but I have to admit I don't understand the whole yum upgrade process very well |
| [05:43:41] | TakKovacs: | I will not messs with a working system |
| [05:43:53] | TakKovacs: | I will not mess with a working system |
| [05:43:57] | TakKovacs: | etc |
| [05:44:07] | Juski: | maybe it's not the distro for you if they do lots of stuff you don't understand or care much about learning about ;) That's why I've been edging towards Ubuntu lately |
| [05:45:06] | TakKovacs: | lol...I've been on Fedora the whole way..I've just got to get my act together and understand it a little better |
| [05:45:09] | Juski: | I've been on Gentoo for 2 years since I started out & I still haven't got the hang of it |
| [05:45:40] | TakKovacs: | <---nods |
| [05:46:17] | Juski: | I don't even bother optimising stuff or any of the 'cool' things you can do with it, so rather than keep trying to wrap my head around what they change every so often I'll be moving soon |
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| [05:46:48] | Juski: | gentoo is great for some, but not for me ;) |
| [05:47:08] | TakKovacs: | yeah..I just had a couple of glitches I was hoping that would go away with an upgrade...OSD not disappearing with XvMC being one.. |
| [05:47:29] | Juski: | I've seen that when I was trying out head before 0.20 was released |
| [05:48:33] | TakKovacs: | a few people have mentioned it but I couldn't see a fix as such..not a big one..press i a couple of times and its gone |
| [05:49:37] | Juski: | bah wordpress is pissing me off. I've made a private blog post, published it and nobody can see it. I've set it to be password protected so folks I know can proofread it but all they get is a 404 error |
| [05:50:20] | TakKovacs: | ah bummer.. |
| [05:50:36] | TakKovacs: | are you blogging on mythtv as such or just general stuff ? |
| [05:51:10] | Juski: | the 'report' is about the booth we had at the linuxworld expo during the week |
| [05:51:45] | TakKovacs: | ah cool |
| [05:53:03] | Juski: | once it's been proofread & everybody agrees with the content I'm gonna publish it & post about it on the -users list as a way of getting feedback into the project ;) |
| [05:53:24] | TakKovacs: | cool..what is the project if you don't mind me asking ? |
| [05:53:32] | Juski: | mythtv :) |
| [05:53:37] | TakKovacs: | ah duh |
| [05:53:45] | Juski: | heheheh |
| [05:54:19] | Dagmar: | Nosy envoys |
| [05:54:30] | Juski: | seeing people clap eyes on mythtv working when they've not seen it before is a nice feeling |
| [05:54:46] | TakKovacs: | Dagmar: yeah...but we can't get jobs doing anything else |
| [05:54:50] | TakKovacs: | :-) |
| [05:54:59] | Dagmar: | heh |
| [05:55:32] | TakKovacs: | Juski: yeah..have you seen the dvd's myth archive produces..that was my most recent wow moment |
| [05:55:46] | TakKovacs: | very professional |
| [05:55:55] | Juski: | I've not actually seen the output yet, but I imagine it's very good |
| [05:56:18] | Juski: | my production system is still on 0.19 |
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| [05:56:41] | Juski: | gonna have to bite the bullet sooner or later |
| [05:56:43] | TakKovacs: | ah cool...it puts a really nice splash screen and menu..looks great |
| [05:57:07] | Juski: | you know the intro videos you can pick to play before the dvd starts proper? I made some of them |
| [05:57:43] | TakKovacs: | ah very cool..thats the one I mean...with the mythtv logo being spelt out letter by letter |
| [05:58:49] | Juski: | there are a few more in http://www.mythtvtalk.com/ProjectGrayhem/videos/ |
| [05:59:09] | TakKovacs: | will have a look |
| [05:59:10] | Juski: | been working on a 3D animated one but my 3d-fu is rusty |
| [05:59:50] | TakKovacs: | lol |
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| [06:00:20] | Juski: | I can't code (yet) so anything I can do, I do ;) |
| [06:00:36] | Dagmar: | Hell, I'm impressed you can figure out things to do with the background |
| [06:00:52] | TakKovacs: | do you watch recorded programs out of mythweb ? it seems to be a whole lot of hassle getting it going |
| [06:01:01] | Dagmar: | I might as well be just scrawling obscenities on the wall for all I can think up to do to dress up hte backdrops when I do that kind of stuff |
| [06:01:32] | Juski: | I got mythstreamtv working a while back & made a wiki article about it (ish), but 0.20 went & changed all that |
| [06:02:13] | TakKovacs: | ah i think i've read that one |
| [06:02:27] | TakKovacs: | it just seems harder to do that it should be :-) |
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| [06:05:14] | xris: | Juski: hopefully someone will help me fix that stuff to include officially so that kind of thing doesn't keep happening. |
| [06:06:02] | Juski: | xris: that'd be really good. a lot of people were asking about web streaming at the expo |
| [06:06:43] | Juski: | and then cesman would jump in & tell them it just works out of the box in knoppmyth :) |
| [06:07:11] | Dagmar: | ...without using the phrase "as well as any of it works out of the box" |
| [06:08:38] | Juski: | it 'just works (tm)' for plenty folks, but for some expecting it to be a silver bullet it can be as disappointing as any cure-all. Without feeding back stuff to the developers though they can't do anything about it |
| [06:09:33] | Juski: | in every post-expo conversation we had everybody was in agreement that _anything_ done to make myth easier to install is a good thing |
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| [06:10:03] | mchou: | Juski: which expo is this? |
| [06:10:12] | TakKovacs: | Juski: oh yes..add another one to that.. |
| [06:10:14] | xris: | heh |
| [06:10:19] | Juski: | mchou: linuxworld |
| [06:10:32] | mchou: | Juski: which one (where)? |
| [06:10:42] | Juski: | was in London at Olympia2 on 25th & 26th October |
| [06:11:17] | Juski: | I'll be filing a report about it just as soon as the other booth staff have proofread it |
| [06:11:22] | mchou: | I dunno, I attended linuxworld once in San Fran a few yeas ago and was bored to tears |
| [06:11:31] | Juski: | we were busy as hell |
| [06:11:46] | mchou: | hopefully linuxworld has improved by now |
| [06:11:49] | Juski: | once you get away from the corporate side of it.... |
| [06:12:12] | mchou: | busy != "interesting content" |
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| [06:12:43] | Juski: | hell a good few people just didn't 'get' the whole fact mythtv is open source & couldn't work out why nobody's out to make any money out of it |
| [06:12:47] | mchou: | busy could imply just lots of clueless gawkers :) |
| [06:12:57] | Dagmar: | There's a LOT Of people like that |
| [06:12:59] | mchou: | Juski: QED :) |
| [06:13:01] | Genix|linux: | i keep an error about being able to connect to my database |
| [06:13:03] | Juski: | there was a _lot_ of interest |
| [06:13:13] | Dagmar: | If it doesn't make money, they just see it as a paradox |
| [06:13:26] | Genix|linux: | the port it's using is not the one i want |
| [06:13:44] | mchou: | Dagmar: Tivo is losing money |
| [06:14:02] | Juski: | Genix|linux: so change it from the default in mythtv-setup while mythbackend isn't running then restart mythbackend |
| [06:14:03] | mchou: | Dagmar: it aint doing so well as a company |
| [06:14:06] | Dagmar: | That would probably have a lot to do with the lawsuits they keep getting hit with |
| [06:14:14] | Dagmar: | Asshattery in the extreme |
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| [06:15:00] | mchou: | well, maybe it's a good thing MPAA hasnt come after myth yet |
| [06:15:14] | Juski: | yeah well a lot of firms are being bit by people filing patents for stuff that already has prior art but they don't have the money to defend themselves |
| [06:15:24] | mchou: | you never know, might still happen |
| [06:16:17] | Juski: | aye. but what can they do about it? |
| [06:16:19] | Dagmar: | Juski: Actually, TiVO just keeps getting hit with suits from companies that basically just want a piece of the pie |
| [06:16:23] | mchou: | my point regarding tivo is just because you have good product doesnt necessarily imply automatic $ |
| [06:16:55] | Juski: | that's the case in every kind of business |
| [06:17:15] | Dagmar: | What is? Being sued by people who didn't think of it first? |
| [06:17:38] | Dagmar: | It's actually not the case |
| [06:17:42] | Juski: | no, mchou's point about good products not automatically being moneyspinners |
| [06:18:00] | mchou: | I dont think tivo was really 1st. replay TV might actually have been 1st |
| [06:18:11] | Dagmar: | But apparently the MPAA's and RIAA's extortion and racketeering tactics have simply spread corruption through most media industries |
| [06:18:19] | mchou: | look what happened to them :) |
| [06:18:45] | Dagmar: | WEll, Replay stayed smaller, so a lot of lawsuits passed right over them and went to TiVo |
| [06:19:05] | mchou: | Dagmar: it aint only MPAA and RIAA. It's also TV networks and advertizers |
| [06:19:13] | Dagmar: | ...and the main reason they stayed smaller seems to have been that they were the first ones to be sued by lawyers attempting to protect someone else's revenue model |
| [06:19:38] | Dagmar: | Replay has a lot of featurees that the TiVo's dont, simply because they were never sued over those particular things |
| [06:19:45] | Juski: | I think a point lost on some folks at the show was that you'd really need to go down the embedded route to make any real inroads into consumers' lounges |
| [06:20:11] | mchou: | Juski: no, that point wasnt lost on anyone |
| [06:20:42] | Juski: | with the show being so UK-centric there was only one guy who even mentioned Tivo |
| [06:20:42] | mchou: | that goes hand in hand with myth "hard to install" complaint |
| [06:20:47] | Genix|linux: | Starting MythTV server: mythbackendSession management error: Could not open network socket |
| [06:20:47] | Genix|linux: | . |
| [06:20:54] | Genix|linux: | i keep getting that error |
| [06:20:56] | Genix|linux: | any ideas? |
| [06:21:26] | Juski: | Genix|linux: wrong IP address in mythtv-setup ? |
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| [06:22:10] | Genix|linux: | it's 127.0.0.1 |
| [06:22:15] | mchou: | Juski: and I dont see what the big deal is regarding installing myth |
| [06:22:26] | Juski: | mchou: something I confirmed at the expo was that the majority of people who had the "hard to install" complaint isn't coming from myth itself |
| [06:22:50] | Juski: | they couldn't get lirc working, or they had issues with drivers |
| [06:23:07] | Juski: | there were those kind of issues |
| [06:23:13] | mchou: | well, lirc is a bitch |
| [06:23:28] | mchou: | but tell them to RTFM lirc docs |
| [06:23:31] | Juski: | yup. and myth is making inroads into that apparently |
| [06:23:47] | Dagmar: | Lirc is _always_ going to be a bugger, tho |
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| [06:23:54] | mchou: | lirc docs arent bad as long as you follow them carefully |
| [06:23:58] | Dagmar: | Unless someone writes a really, REALLY huge installer |
| [06:24:00] | Juski: | why should it be a bugger? |
| [06:24:20] | Dagmar: | Juski: Because of teh number of variables that can't be reduced |
| [06:24:41] | Dagmar: | For one, theres about a million remotes out there, and we can't reduce the number of them. |
| [06:24:55] | Juski: | fair point but it shouldn't necessarily mean it can't be made easier somehow |
| [06:25:00] | Dagmar: | ...so that's something the user will always have to select that will likely continue to be arcane. |
| [06:25:09] | mchou: | Juski: man, stop smoking dope |
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| [06:25:24] | mchou: | Juski: lirc cant autodetect remotes |
| [06:25:39] | Juski: | who's saying anything about autodetection? |
| [06:25:42] | mchou: | tell me how "install" gets around that issue |
| [06:25:53] | Dagmar: | Juski: I won't be as rude as that, but seriously... the number of remotes has only gotten larger and more annoying over time. One4all remotes now ship with a freaking catalog of HUNDREDS of profiles |
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| [06:26:26] | Juski: | with such a big number of variables as lirc has you'd have to get around it by doing a shedload of work |
| [06:26:26] | TakKovacs: | mchou: not that this would be easy to do..but have you seen how the logitech harmony remote works ? |
| [06:26:31] | mchou: | One4All are cool remotes. Especially JP1 :) |
| [06:26:42] | mchou: | TakKovacs: screw harmony |
| [06:26:43] | Dagmar: | They can probably be considerd "experts" (as much as anyone can) in the matter, and their _best_ advice is still that the codes are sorted by likelihood for a given manufacturer, and that you should just go through them all in order |
| [06:26:57] | mchou: | TakKovacs: I aint paying $100 for a silly remote |
| [06:27:02] | Genix|linux: | this is what i get when i type mythfrontend |
| [06:27:04] | Genix|linux: | http://pastebin.ca/225924 |
| [06:27:09] | TakKovacs: | mchou: have you every played with one ? |
| [06:27:16] | Dagmar: | Next we've got the issue of a couple _dozen_ types of IR recievers and transmitters... |
| [06:27:21] | mchou: | TakKovacs: not to mention that's ONE remote manufacturer |
| [06:27:26] | Juski: | doesn't help of course that some folks' idea of what a remote config should look like ends up as what other people use.. some config files I've seen are less than what I'd call logical |
| [06:27:32] | mchou: | TakKovacs: yup, and I wasnt impressed |
| [06:27:35] | Dagmar: | Which is like a dozen different modules, all of which are incompatible with each other, so you have to put most of this crap together at _compile time_ |
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| [06:27:51] | mchou: | TakKovacs: much more impressed with One4All JP1s |
| [06:28:11] | Juski: | Genix|linux: have you installed the qt mysql client stuff? |
| [06:28:12] | Dagmar: | Hell, just constructing the config to tell lirc what signals to send to what apps is actaully _easy_ compared to the other two issues |
| [06:28:12] | TakKovacs: | mchou: ah cool..mine works like a treat..what I was getting at is that it samples a couple of button presses and then consults and online db to determine the remote type |
| [06:28:12] | Genix|linux: | anyone know what i can do about this http://pastebin.ca/225924 |
| [06:28:13] | mchou: | nice and simple, inexpensive to boot |
| [06:28:23] | Genix|linux: | Juski: not sure what that is |
| [06:28:34] | Juski: | Genix|linux: it's a dependency |
| [06:28:43] | Genix|linux: | qt??? |
| [06:28:45] | mchou: | TakKovacs: which part of this dont you understand? [23:29:22] <mchou> TakKovacs: not to mention that's ONE remote manufacturer |
| [06:28:55] | Juski: | Genix|linux: yes and the qt mysql libraries |
| [06:28:55] | mchou: | TakKovacs: i.e. logitech |
| [06:29:00] | Dagmar: | Genix|linux: Get binaries that don't suck |
| [06:29:22] | Juski: | get the ubuntu installer that randomises your mysql password :-| |
| [06:29:28] | Genix|linux: | Dagmar: ? |
| [06:29:39] | Dagmar: | Genix|linux: What version of MythTV are you using? |
| [06:29:40] | Captain_Murdoch: | Genix|linux: did you tell it port 3306? |
| [06:29:51] | Genix|linux: | Captain_Murdoch: yes |
| [06:29:56] | Genix|linux: | Dagmar: .20 |
| [06:29:57] | Captain_Murdoch: | that's MySQL, Myth is on 6543 |
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| [06:30:02] | TakKovacs: | mchou: yes but how hard would it be to use a standard ir rx'er (which everyone has) to sample the button presses...I'm talking about the concept not the specific platform |
| [06:30:10] | Genix|linux: | oh let me try that |
| [06:30:10] | mchou: | TakKovacs: the issue with lirc are not remote "senders." It's the infrared reciever (need appropriate driver) |
| [06:30:15] | kavorka^: | hi ive upgraded kernel from 2.6.16 to 2.6.18 in gentoo, but mythtv cant seem to lock onto a station...do i need to re-emerge mythtv? |
| [06:30:26] | Dagmar: | Heh. I assumed that the package screwed up the port number, not the user |
| [06:30:38] | Juski: | TakKovacs: not all remote receivers are universal, and that's also poart of the problem |
| [06:30:48] | Dagmar: | kavorka^: No. |
| [06:30:51] | TakKovacs: | <-- pulls my head in |
| [06:31:09] | Juski: | oh hell. more 2.6.18 tuner problems |
| [06:31:09] | kavorka^: | hmmm i have rerun mythtv-setup but that doesnt do the trick |
| [06:31:25] | Juski: | kavorka^: it's the kernel drivers to blame, not mythtv |
| [06:31:30] | TakKovacs: | ah same problem here kavorka^ |
| [06:31:31] | kavorka^: | Juski, is there something wrong with 2.6.18? |
| [06:31:40] | TakKovacs: | go back to 2.6.17 and it works fine |
| [06:31:44] | Dagmar: | kavorka^: What tuner card are you using? |
| [06:31:49] | Juski: | what's happened there is you've upgraded the drivers but blamed mythtv ;) |
| [06:31:50] | kavorka^: | jeesh....i spent all morning getting my wireless working....now this! |
| [06:32:04] | Dagmar: | Actualyl, I'm betting he didn't upgrade the drivers |
| [06:32:05] | mchou: | TakKovacs: you you mandate one "standard" remote reciever, there would be no need for lirc :) |
| [06:32:11] | Juski: | there are reportedly problems with v4l devices in 2.6.18 |
| [06:32:19] | kavorka^: | ok so any particular flavour of 2.6.17-rx? |
| [06:32:31] | Juski: | kavorka^: why did you upgrade the kernel? |
| [06:32:39] | kavorka^: | im using a dvico dvb-t with c28xxx chipset |
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| [06:32:59] | TakKovacs: | mchou: ok I misunderstood the problem..i thought it was an issue with generating a lirc config file, not the rx'er |
| [06:33:04] | Juski: | let me rephrase that.. if it was a working kernel why did you upgrade it? ;) |
| [06:33:19] | Dagmar: | Juski: OMGOPTIMZATIONS! |
| [06:33:21] | mchou: | TakKovacs: fair enough |
| [06:33:30] | ** Juski is still running 2.6.12 ffs ** | |
| [06:34:09] | kavorka^: | Juski, becuase im getting a stuttering problem when i change channels...if i pause after that its fine...i want to see if using a newer kernel resolves it |
| [06:34:32] | Genix|linux: | juski where do i get the qt mysql files |
| [06:34:35] | TakKovacs: | kavorka^: same problem here |
| [06:34:49] | mchou: | I'm pissed at my cableco. Stupid macroblocking |
| [06:34:51] | kavorka^: | TakKovacs, mine came out of nowhere...it used to be fine |
| [06:34:57] | Dagmar: | Genix|linux: With Qt |
| [06:35:00] | TakKovacs: | Dvico dual card, 2.6.18..one tuner works, the other doesn't |
| [06:35:04] | Juski: | kavorka^: that's a little bit like saying your car's gear changes are clunky, so you adjusted the position of the rear view mirror |
| [06:35:10] | mchou: | cableco compressing everthing to hell |
| [06:35:28] | Genix|linux: | Juski: i have qt3-dev-tools installed do i need to install more? |
| [06:35:38] | Juski: | Genix|linux: what distro? |
| [06:35:44] | kavorka^: | not really...the kernel aint exactly equivalent to a review mirror! |
| [06:35:44] | Genix|linux: | kubuntu |
| [06:35:53] | kavorka^: | rear view* |
| [06:36:05] | Juski: | can't remember the name of the package, but it has both qt & mysql in the name |
| [06:36:14] | mchou: | sigh, lame-o |
| [06:36:40] | mchou: | xris: ou around? |
| [06:36:44] | mchou: | you* |
| [06:36:46] | kavorka^: | i am at whits end trying to resolve this stuttering problem...i can go back to 2.6.16 no problems..just wanted to test a theory |
| [06:36:57] | Genix|linux: | Juski: libqt3-mt-mysql? |
| [06:36:58] | kavorka^: | wits even |
| [06:37:00] | Juski: | kavorka^: upgrading the kernel isn't gonna make channel changes smoother. the drivers _might_ change how your tuner card works (or not) but they won't change it to that extent |
| [06:37:07] | Juski: | Genix|linux: I think so |
| [06:37:19] | Genix|linux: | ok well those were both installed |
| [06:37:25] | kavorka^: | hmmm ok ill go back to 2.6.16 then...well im out of ideas on how to solve it then |
| [06:37:37] | Genix|linux: | now when i hit the watch tv button my screen just goes black with no tv on it |
| [06:37:45] | Genix|linux: | for a ffew seconds then goes back to the menu |
| [06:39:02] | Juski: | Genix|linux: so from not being able to connect to the database or the backend, you've suddenly decided to try livetv ? |
| [06:39:15] | mchou: | haha!! |
| [06:39:17] | Genix|linux: | somehow i can connect to the db now |
| [06:39:27] | Juski: | sort one problem out at a time :) |
| [06:40:27] | Juski: | Genix|linux: stop the mythbackend daemon & start it in a terminal |
| [06:40:42] | Genix|linux: | Juski: i keep getting this error repeating when i run frontend: http://pastebin.ca/225949 |
| [06:41:08] | Juski: | that won't help |
| [06:41:26] | Genix|linux: | yeah didn't think so |
| [06:41:45] | Juski: | that'd be because the mysql user you've called 'mysql' doesn't exist yet or there's a privileges issue |
| [06:42:10] | Genix|linux: | hmm i can't see a priv problem |
| [06:42:27] | Juski: | I'm puzzled as to why you've not just gone with the default 'mythtv' user for mythtv's database though |
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| [06:42:44] | Juski: | like every single howto guide I've ever seen would suggest you do |
| [06:43:16] | Genix|linux: | wow |
| [06:43:18] | Genix|linux: | it's late |
| [06:43:23] | Genix|linux: | i must have typed it wrong |
| [06:43:50] | Juski: | the ubuntu installer does a lot of this crap for you, you know |
| [06:44:34] | Juski: | so when you run mythtv-setup you don't need to change stuff like ports & which mysql username it uses... not that you often need to do that anyway |
| [06:44:45] | Genix|linux: | synaptic? |
| [06:45:28] | Juski: | if you're not using edgy I'd suggest you uninstall it, then find this channel's FAQ page, or go to the mythtv wiki |
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| [06:45:50] | Juski: | the 'official' mythtv packages in Dapper are old (0.18) |
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| [06:46:15] | Juski: | plus every time I've ever tried to install with synaptic it's fucked something up |
| [06:46:44] | banyan: | where is the setting to turn off VBI processing for a PVR-350 in myth? |
| [06:46:45] | Juski: | the perils of having an 'add/remove programs' menu |
| [06:47:11] | banyan: | I've been told this will greatly reduce my CPU usage but I can't find any such setting in the setup menu in mythfrontend. |
| [06:47:42] | banyan: | (My playback CPU usage on a P4 2.5 GHz is 50%) |
| [06:47:55] | ** Juski laughs ** | |
| [06:48:30] | Juski: | 2.5GHz, playing back SDTV gets you 50% CPU usage _with_ a pvr350?!!!! |
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| [06:48:44] | Juski: | ouch |
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| [06:49:31] | Juski: | banyan: in theory if you disable it capturing VBI data in the first place there won't be any to process |
| [06:50:02] | Juski: | and you can only do that in mythtv-setup. stop mythbackend, run mythtv-setup, turn off the VBI stuff in capture card setup, then restart mythbackend ? |
| [06:50:32] | banyan: | there is something hooped. A while back (unfortunately, both a myth change and a kernel / ivtv version change ago) it was negligable percentage. |
| [06:50:36] | Dagmar: | What he didn't tell you is that he linked the application to wxWindows. ;) |
| [06:50:39] | Juski: | but 50% CPU usage playing SDTV mpeg2 on a 2.5GHz machine? something is wrong |
| [06:50:43] | banyan: | approx. 0%. |
| [06:51:04] | Juski: | pvr350 decoder support in mythtv may not be long for this world |
| [06:51:06] | banyan: | linked what to wherenow? |
| [06:51:39] | banyan: | I will have to have the decoder pried out of my cold dead fingers. It's got such good quality... |
| [06:51:58] | Juski: | story goes thusly... none of the main developers use pvr350s anymore, so it's not likely to be supported unless someone steps in |
| [06:52:11] | banyan: | I'd rather buy a developer a card than fritter around with some crappy tv-out on a video card. |
| [06:52:33] | Juski: | banyan: the good quality of modern tv outputs on VGA cards outweigh the need for the 350 |
| [06:53:37] | Juski: | it's not even known whether the main developers got rid of their 350 cards.. it's maybe more a case of motivation |
| [06:54:35] | Juski: | not ideal I know, but that's the bad news |
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| [06:55:09] | banyan: | I don't know what would be involved in stepping in... but I am vaguely tempted. |
| [06:55:15] | Juski: | banyan: did you try unchecking the 'use pvr350 decoder' option in the tv playback setup menu? |
| [06:55:28] | banyan: | Why would I do that? |
| [06:55:44] | banyan: | Oh, just to see. Yeah, to the monitor it plays back at approx 0% cpu usage. |
| [06:55:55] | Juski: | a 2.5ghz machine should be more than capable of playing mpeg2 SDTV and you'll still keep the 'nice quality' tv output ;) |
| [06:56:14] | banyan: | It is, and it did mere weeks ago. |
| [06:56:15] | Juski: | but you need X running on the pvr350 |
| [06:56:35] | banyan: | I haven't needed it thus far... |
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| [06:56:53] | Juski: | were you running 0.20 back those 'mere weeks ago' ? |
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| [06:57:19] | banyan: | I did monkey with that and I have it set up but it didn't help. I thought that using the x server would get around needing the ivtv-fb module but it actually uses the frame buffer. |
| [06:57:42] | banyan: | I started using 0.20 the day after it hit atrpms.org. |
| [06:58:04] | Juski: | so it's not broken in mythtv yet then... good news for now at least |
| [06:58:42] | banyan: | Aren't there quite a few 350 users out there? |
| [06:58:53] | Juski: | anyway try disabling VBI in mythtv-setup & see how that goes |
| [06:59:02] | Juski: | banyan: apparently not |
| [06:59:14] | Juski: | folks aren't recommending it anymore |
| [06:59:42] | Juski: | with HD becoming ever more prevalent.... |
| [06:59:58] | banyan: | Any cards that can capture both sd and hd? |
| [07:00:04] | banyan: | that have sane drivers? |
| [07:00:14] | Juski: | and since tv outputs on VGA cards are a _hell_ of a lot better than in days of yore ;) |
| [07:01:13] | banyan: | I know mine sux. At least the one in my old machine that I'm still using does... my new machine has a 6800 nvidia. |
| [07:01:14] | Juski: | banyan: the only HD & SD cards I know about are the ones that do digital HD tuning and software encode NTSC inputs |
| [07:01:55] | banyan: | Anyway, there's some setting in mythtv-setup for vbi processing huh? |
| [07:01:57] | Juski: | banyan: I never had any complaints about a Gf4 cards' TV output. infact all of my fx5200 cards are comparable to my Panasonic DVD player |
| [07:02:01] | ** banyan will go in search of. ** | |
| [07:02:13] | Juski: | I mentioned that ages ago, but hey ho ;) |
| [07:02:26] | banyan: | not to be skeptical but... what tv are you looking at them on? |
| [07:02:44] | Juski: | panasonic tx32 32" flat widescreen |
| [07:02:48] | Juski: | over svideo |
| [07:02:57] | Juski: | crisp & clear |
| [07:03:23] | Juski: | not precisely centred but that's no big deal since you can adjust that in the appearance menu anyway |
| [07:03:40] | banyan: | cool. |
| [07:03:56] | Juski: | and the PITA that once was may soon be no more :) :) |
| [07:03:59] | banyan: | sounds comparable. Mine's a sony something or other, 32" hd 4x3. |
| [07:04:26] | Juski: | does it not have a VGA input or something better than svideo you could use anyway? |
| [07:04:40] | Juski: | HD 4:3 ?!?!?! what madness is that? |
| [07:05:27] | Juski: | sorry, I could never understand why widescreen took so long to take hold ;) |
| [07:05:30] | banyan: | a 2 or 3 year old madness. |
| [07:05:52] | banyan: | It has a dvi input but I had a bitch of a time getting anywhere with that. |
| [07:06:04] | Juski: | I thought _everything_ that did HD was widescreen. I stand corrected |
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| [07:10:57] | Juski: | banyan: fair enough I suppose. just out of interest which card have you got in the current system? |
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| [07:14:56] | Juski: | oo a new theme! |
| [07:15:26] | ** Juski pukes!! ** | |
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| [07:16:57] | Juski: | my eyes!! my eyes! wooo that was nasty |
| [07:17:42] | Juski: | er.. I mean I didn't exactly find it to my taste |
| [07:17:49] | Juski: | that's better |
| [07:17:51] | Juski: | http://cscl.alasu.edu/MYTHTV/Leafers-wide-screenshot.jpg |
| [07:18:29] | Dagmar: | Better?!? |
| [07:18:43] | Dagmar: | It can actually be worse? |
| [07:19:02] | Dagmar: | ...without being hot pink, pale violet, and olive green? |
| [07:19:14] | Juski: | I decided to try & be less dispariging – I mean at least they _tried_ |
| [07:19:26] | dtm: | hehe |
| [07:19:35] | dtm: | yeah it's interesting, although one wonders why |
| [07:19:37] | Juski: | so this is it |
| [07:19:46] | Juski: | winamp 'skinz' are coming to mythtv :-| |
| [07:20:01] | Dagmar: | I prefer to let people know about little things like color glut, and contrast levels |
| [07:20:13] | Dagmar: | "Gamut warning! Image is too damn ugly to be believed!" |
| [07:20:23] | Juski: | what's next? a Justin Timberlake theme? |
| [07:20:34] | Dagmar: | Probably Christina Aguilera will be first |
| [07:20:44] | Dagmar: | I knwo I've already hacked up a porn theme |
| [07:21:09] | Juski: | Dagmar: damn good idea, that... |
| [07:21:19] | ** Juski scuttles off to nakedcelebs.com ** | |
| [07:21:25] | Dagmar: | Well, it's a TV, and it's connected to the internet. |
| [07:21:30] | Dagmar: | I thought it was just the logical thing to theme. |
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| [07:21:54] | Juski: | same kind of thing though.. themes to make you go blind.. |
| [07:21:55] | Dagmar: | I did it winamp skinner style, too. :) |
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| [07:22:13] | Dagmar: | I took an existing thing, just replaced the watermarks, and changed the colors. |
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| [07:22:29] | Juski: | I hope the ml guys aren't too harsh on the poster |
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| [07:23:05] | Juski: | least he bothered, and he might not bother ever again if he gets yelled at |
| [07:23:29] | czthIII: | i've got some bad program data (looks like repeats, which pushed the next program up an hour) in my mythconverg.programs table; zap2it does show the correct info. what's the best way to clean this up? |
| [07:24:10] | Juski: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/User_Man . . . _Maintenance |
| [07:24:28] | Juski: | for if the db is corrupt... |
| [07:25:00] | Juski: | could also be to do with daylight savings which cuts in some places today |
| [07:25:22] | banyan: | Oh, I checked my mythtv-setup. The VBI was set to none... |
| [07:25:36] | banyan: | maybe I should try setting to NTSC? |
| [07:25:43] | ** banyan shrugs ** | |
| [07:25:51] | ** Juski shrugs too ** | |
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| [07:26:26] | banyan: | but it is mythfrontend that is using the processor time as top showed me. |
| [07:26:48] | Juski: | I always liked the idea of the pvr350 card but saw the list of limitations & it put me off |
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| [07:27:06] | Juski: | now one which'd do h.264 HD.. that I'd buy into |
| [07:27:34] | Juski: | banyan: I'll do some digging |
| [07:28:07] | Dagmar: | Ah hell I forgot about DST |
| [07:28:26] | czthIII: | argh, the great DST conspiracy |
| [07:28:36] | Dagmar: | It means I have to do weird things with my timesheet for tonight |
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| [07:31:12] | Juski: | banyan: where did you hear that your problem could be related to vbi passthrough ? |
| [07:32:25] | czthIII: | actually it shouldn't have been a DST issue since the change isn't until 2am |
| [07:33:36] | Juski: | banyan: this? //www.mail-archive.com/ivtv-devel@ivtvdriver.org/msg03293.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.mail-archive.com/ivtv-devel@ivtvdr . . . sg03293.html |
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| [07:35:18] | banyan: | some guy mailed me about it a few days ago. |
| [07:36:51] | Juski: | is the ivtv-fb module definitely ok? |
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| [07:37:27] | banyan: | It displays things, and the cpu usage is right up there if I remove the module. |
| [07:37:45] | banyan: | so I think the framebuffer is working all right... |
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| [07:38:57] | Juski: | maybe a mail to the -users list is in order... |
| [07:39:03] | banyan: | Then again, something is definitely hinky. |
| [07:39:16] | banyan: | I could copy them on the ivtv-users mail I sent. |
| [07:39:32] | Juski: | what's the cpu usage like if you steam the input direct to the output? |
| [07:39:39] | Juski: | s/steam/stream |
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| [07:41:45] | Juski: | banyan: you could also check the settings table to ensure the vbi stuff is turned off, restart mythbackend to be absolutely sure |
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| [07:42:07] | Juski: | then play back recordings made _since_ you made the changes |
| [07:42:13] | Juski: | gbee!! :) |
| [07:42:20] | gbee: | hi |
| [07:42:29] | Juski: | get home okay? |
| [07:42:41] | gbee: | yep, thanks |
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| [07:43:43] | gbee: | just online to let you know I'm ok ;) |
| [07:44:06] | Juski: | excellent. we feared the worst if the truth be told |
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| [07:45:02] | gbee: | sorry I didn't get in touch to let you know |
| [07:45:07] | Juski: | first draft of the show report is done & emailed out if you want to take a squiz |
| [07:45:30] | Juski: | gbee: no worries about that whatsoever |
| [07:45:46] | gbee: | just saw that in my inbox, along with the other hundred emails from the last three days :) |
| [07:45:51] | Juski: | haha |
| [07:47:33] | Juski: | not a huge rush. I dunno how much notice anyone'll take of it |
| [07:48:34] | Juski: | cesman wasn't overly impressed by London, oh no |
| [07:49:05] | Juski: | did your sister meet you & put you on your train? |
| [07:49:08] | gbee: | heh, he didn't seem very impressed when we were talking over lunch |
| [07:49:30] | gbee: | yep, she works in London on Fridays |
| [07:49:54] | gbee: | my little sister got to look after me for once :p |
| [07:50:04] | Juski: | brilliant :) |
| [07:50:44] | gbee: | right, I'm printng that report and I'll read it a little later, right now I think I'll take some painkillers and go back to my bed ;) |
| [07:51:06] | Juski: | okees. you take care y'hear |
| [07:51:19] | Juski: | AH |
| [07:52:13] | Juski: | before I forget, after I got in touch with your dad I rang the hostel again & Adrian (the guy at hostel) said he'll pop your cards & stuff in the post along with a refund for the night you didn't stay there |
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| [07:54:06] | gbee: | thanks for passing that on – I was going to phone and thank them |
| [07:54:14] | Juski: | Adrian at the hostel said he wanted to know how you were, which is why I rang em back |
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| [07:55:34] | Juski: | on Thursday I tried phoning the number you rang me from on Wednesday but got no answer – but that's all by the by now :) |
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| [07:56:13] | gbee: | that was a phonebox, I didn't have a mobile with me |
| [07:56:18] | Juski: | doh |
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| [07:58:50] | Juski: | thanks for dropping in gbee – you get back off to bed & get some rest |
| [08:00:32] | gbee: | will do, I'll stay logged in here for now though – putting the laptop by my bed so I can catch up on some of my recordings ;) |
| [08:00:52] | Juski: | okees. everybody'll be pleased to see you for sure |
| [08:07:23] | ** Juski needs a laptop frontend. needs a laptop full stop ** | |
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| [09:39:38] | jvs|nb: | good morning |
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| [10:08:54] | Juski: | wooo wth has happened to 'Horizon' ? it got tabloid! |
| [10:09:18] | Juski: | human 2.0 ... blimmin scaremongering. it got me worried |
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| [10:09:56] | laga: | Juski: ! |
| [10:11:19] | Juski: | just watched a 'documentary' show I'd recorded |
| [10:12:11] | Juski: | talked about the pros & cons of advancing the human race by means of integrating computers with the brain. that just spooks me out |
| [10:12:41] | RaYmAn-Bx: | Cybermen! ;) |
| [10:12:47] | ** Juski laughs ** | |
| [10:12:58] | Juski: | Professor Kevin Warwick! ;) |
| [10:13:23] | RaYmAn-Bx: | was that the guy who got all sorts of computer crap operated into himself? |
| [10:13:27] | Juski: | seriously though I do find it disconcerting |
| [10:13:29] | Juski: | yeah |
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| [10:15:38] | Juski: | before I switched my frontend on though I saw the new govt. advert about the dangers of cannabis. Guy walks into a brain shop. I do not want to see squishy human brains in a shop modelled on a mobile phone dealer, being handled & poked – while I eat my breakfast |
| [10:16:32] | Juski: | here it is.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ua08VauNavo |
| [10:17:32] | Juski: | anyway laga.. read the report yet? if yes, what did you think? |
| [10:22:43] | laga: | Juski: yeah, i read it. looks good :) i'll give it another spin later. |
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| [10:24:06] | Juski: | you know we were asked about having something like a youtube viewer & I couldn't quite see the point of it, but Chad Vader might have changed my mind on that |
| [10:24:34] | laga: | chad vader? |
| [10:24:39] | ** laga is not fully awake yet ** | |
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| [10:26:30] | Juski: | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ogIqayRDr4w |
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| [10:30:34] | Dagmar: | Would this change of heart involve suicide or self-blinding? |
| [10:30:54] | Juski: | I was shown using mythweb on a mobile phone at the expo... I neeeeeeeeeeeeed that |
| [10:31:32] | Juski: | Dagmar: heh. about one in a million videos on there are great. nobody's ever gonna replace a tuner with it |
| [10:33:03] | Juski: | but for the few there are it'd be nice to watch them without needing to get up & open a web browser |
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| [10:34:23] | Juski: | Coume suggested a nice plugin idea.. a calendar / reminder system. I'm always forgetting birthdays & stuff |
| [10:34:42] | Juski: | I know it's myth _tv_ but again it's all about convergence isn't it? |
| [10:35:06] | Dagmar: | What I'd like to see converge is the media databases |
| [10:35:24] | Juski: | no, you pay us money money, we love you no time |
| [10:35:39] | Dagmar: | It's beginning to appear to me that MythVideo *should*, logically, be on it's way to becoming superfluous |
| [10:35:57] | Juski: | and mythdvd |
| [10:36:22] | laga: | isn't Anduin planning on merging mythdvd and mythvideo? |
| [10:36:30] | Juski: | though there's not even a hint that recordings & stored media are moving toward each other |
| [10:36:49] | Juski: | other than the internal player is more capable now than it ever has been |
| [10:36:53] | Juski: | laga: yeah |
| [10:37:23] | Juski: | I drunkenly said I was gonna mock up some ideas for mythmusic on Tuesday night. oops |
| [10:37:25] | Dagmar: | THey really shoudl |
| [10:37:43] | Dagmar: | My next packs are going to just go ahead and populate the genre tables using the list MythWeb shows |
| [10:38:11] | Dagmar: | genre tables and initial categories, actually |
| [10:38:41] | Dagmar: | I'm tired of having to add new ones all the time, when they always boil down to the same ones |
| [10:40:49] | Dagmar: | If "all" videos had a single additional flag that amounted to "video" (for misc), "TV", and "Movies", then things could still be sorted rationally along the lines that they've been, but... |
| [10:41:27] | Dagmar: | Right now what would appear to be the logical way to sort videos in MythVideo isn't anywhere close to doing the right thing, where MythTV itself seems to have no problem with it |
| [10:42:18] | Juski: | then why not do the same with music aswell? |
| [10:42:36] | Juski: | it's not as if you're likely to ever want to play TV _and_ music at the same time |
| [10:42:46] | Dagmar: | Offhand I'd say because usually when people are listening to music, they're _just_ listening to music |
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| [10:43:26] | Juski: | no I mean put it all in the same place & treat it as 'media' just like everything else |
| [10:43:28] | Dagmar: | I'm actually arguing that MythVideo and MythTV should simply store all their metadata in the same bucket, and treat all their files equally |
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| [10:43:47] | Juski: | I know, and I'm adding that I wouldn't mind music going the same way |
| [10:43:52] | Dagmar: | Well, people don't often tell Myth "I want you to play my videos in random order" |
| [10:43:57] | Dagmar: | Big issue, that. |
| [10:44:21] | Juski: | have you ever used xbmc? it has some good ideas we could pinch IMHO |
| [10:44:42] | Dagmar: | The way people listen to music is pretty hugely different from the way people watch videos... those interfaces aren't likely to be mergeable in a sensible way |
| [10:45:02] | ** Juski remembers to edit the expo report & mention that nobody seemed at _all_ bothered about live tv ** | |
| [10:46:33] | Dagmar: | ...but like, if you're looking to watch comedy, you should be able to go to "the" interface, and push a button so that it flips to a genre-sorted list, and then go down into Comedy and see all the stuff marked as comedy from both TV recordings, as well as videos plugged into MythVideo |
| [10:46:50] | Dagmar: | ...especially since I'm noticing that most of my MythVideo stuff is what I exported/transcoded from TV |
| [10:46:56] | Juski: | that's a way off though |
| [10:47:37] | Juski: | there's already a heck of a lot of ui rewriting going on, and that's just reworking what there already is |
| [10:47:49] | Dagmar: | Yep. I like the direction that stuff is heading |
| [10:47:55] | Juski: | unless folks are keeping stuff under tight wraps... |
| [10:48:08] | Dagmar: | It's seems like it's starting to pan out into recognizable stratum |
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| [10:48:53] | Juski: | spoke to a developer of freevo at the expo & asked him how well the new stuff he told me about last summer is getting along |
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| [10:49:09] | Juski: | their frontend sounds majorly nice |
| [10:49:45] | Juski: | and the impression I was left with was they like the mythtv backend, so maybe... |
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| [10:50:04] | Dagmar: | Yeah, that would be handy, but don't they write their frontend in python or something? |
| [10:50:12] | Juski: | and C |
| [10:50:21] | Juski: | C/C++ I can't remember which |
| [10:50:50] | Juski: | what have you got against python? you can write awful code in anything |
| [10:51:03] | Dagmar: | About the same thing I have againt Gentoo |
| [10:51:14] | Dagmar: | Most of it's proponents appear to be mentally defective |
| [10:51:34] | Juski: | could say the same about java |
| [10:51:38] | Dagmar: | I have seen WAY too much python code that suffers from excess "C-ism" |
| [10:51:55] | Juski: | .. and windows apps |
| [10:52:21] | Dagmar: | Like when you occasionally find something written impossibly weird in perl, because the first language the coder learned was TurboPascal, and all they learned for perl was from a reference manual, so they're still writing TUrboPascal, but with perl functions |
| [10:52:45] | Juski: | that's a limitation of human beings more than anything else I think |
| [10:53:20] | Juski: | we can't all be omnicognic demigods of code ;) |
| [10:53:28] | Dagmar: | So eveyr time I've tried to wade through Python code, I run into all these functions that were written in either an impossibly awkward way so that the programmer could pretend they were still coding in C or something... or written in an incredibly opaque way, with zero comments |
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| [10:53:39] | Juski: | bingo |
| [10:53:49] | Juski: | the comments comment... |
| [10:54:03] | Dagmar: | I probably write 10x the comments of a normal coder |
| [10:54:15] | Juski: | the comments in the mythtv source are nice |
| [10:54:18] | RaYmAn-Bx: | so you actually write comments, you mean? ;) |
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| [10:54:36] | Dagmar: | Yes. More than just "## I wrote this pretty late at night" |
| [10:55:00] | Dagmar: | Man I worked on a CGI project for one company that had, no kidding, over two million lines of perl, and only two comments in the lot |
| [10:55:15] | Juski: | so what you're really saying is... you wouldn't mind so much if the code was always _readable_ |
| [10:55:18] | liran_: | lol dagmar |
| [10:55:19] | RaYmAn-Bx: | The company I work for has the funny idea that the code should more or less speak for itself..Only issue with that is that if you have bugs you most likely have no idea what the code was supposed to do :S |
| [10:55:25] | Dagmar: | This sort of thing makes it INSANELY hard to get up to speed on something |
| [10:55:43] | Dagmar: | Code "speaking for itself" is pure shite. |
| [10:56:15] | RaYmAn-Bx: | that's what I keep telling them, but unfortunately, I'm not the boss. |
| [10:56:36] | Juski: | I think it only ever speaks for itself if you already know the language inside & out |
| [10:56:42] | Dagmar: | If you have to spend the time reading the code to work out what it's supposed to do, it's going to take an AGE longer than reading a comment saying "This function simply sorts the list, case-insensitive by last name, and then by pay ranking" |
| [10:57:02] | RaYmAn-Bx: | Juski: that was another argument of theirs..that it's not their fault if people don't know the language inside and out! ;) |
| [10:57:17] | Dagmar: | ...and it makes it take FOR FREAKING EVER when you know what code you *should* be looking for, and then you get to wade through thousands of lines looking for it |
| [10:58:53] | Juski: | you know how plenty of people are always saying how mythmusic sucks & it's never really had enough attention lately? |
| [10:59:09] | Dagmar: | Acutally, no. |
| [10:59:25] | Juski: | yeah well it's been said. quite a lot |
| [10:59:25] | Dagmar: | I think aside from the lack of support for using XSCreenSaver hacks, it's working pretty well |
| [10:59:57] | Dagmar: | It wouldn't be reality if people didn't have wildy varying opinions about how music should be organized and presented |
| [11:00:26] | Dagmar: | I know one dude who actually sorts his music chronologically |
| [11:00:49] | Juski: | I'm going to try & get the ball rolling & make some mockups of some ideas, then maybe someone who can code can take a look at it |
| [11:02:52] | Juski: | if amarok was more tv friendly I don't think I'd bother though |
| [11:03:26] | Dagmar: | I'm not so sure a huge amount of improvement can even happen with MythMusic |
| [11:03:40] | Dagmar: | Trying to work through the remote to create a playlist is going to be painful,, as far as I can figure |
| [11:03:58] | Juski: | so make it so you can easily import playlists from other places... |
| [11:04:09] | Dagmar: | Yep |
| [11:04:39] | Dagmar: | I started generating my playlists outside of everything since the music players for my PDA have really craptacular playlist creators |
| [11:04:59] | Juski: | even a simple change to the ui would make a difference... like when you click on 'select' to tick/untick a box, move down to the next one |
| [11:05:12] | Dagmar: | yummy |
| [11:05:37] | Dagmar: | Perhaps if it simply displayed things the way Myth does |
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| [11:06:02] | Dagmar: | Although I think you'd need three columns for it to work |
| [11:06:10] | Juski: | the tree view is too clutterred for a TV imho, something that'll change as more & more people adopt HD TVs |
| [11:06:35] | Dagmar: | The tree view does not drill well |
| [11:06:42] | Dagmar: | or easily |
| [11:07:13] | Juski: | on the other hand if the columns expanded & contracted when the extra info is redundant... |
| [11:08:44] | Dagmar: | Well, let's say the user started with something sane on the left hand side of the screen as categories, like a pane that flips between sorting by Genre (messy with IDv3. but still not so bad), year (for the weirdos), Artist, or Album Name |
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| [11:08:56] | Juski: | say, going into artists beginning with 'B'... select that, then the column shrinks, making more room for the artists name/album column, then as you drill into it, the only expanded view you see is what you _need_.. i.e. you only need to fully see where you _are_ not where you've come from |
| [11:09:20] | Juski: | then when you go back... the reverse applies |
| [11:09:56] | Juski: | hard to explain in writing which is why I'm gonna make mockups |
| [11:09:59] | Dagmar: | Once they've picked one, the middle pane would let them pick from whatever sort criteria the first panel doesn't involve (so, like, Genre->Artist), leaving the logical choises for the third, rightmost pane to be AlbumName or Year |
| [11:10:08] | Dagmar: | Yeah |
| [11:10:34] | Dagmar: | Sorting by trackname is simply insane for most people |
| [11:10:39] | Juski: | I can't think of any other player that uses the method I described either... |
| [11:10:56] | Juski: | even xbmc is unweidly for massive collections of music. |
| [11:11:08] | Juski: | but it _does_ work with playlist files from other apps |
| [11:11:19] | Dagmar: | Rhythmbox doesn't make the panes disappear, but it handles vast collections much more easily |
| [11:11:42] | Dagmar: | ....mainly because you can apply multiple sort/filter criteria from left to right |
| [11:11:44] | Juski: | it'd actually let you use the screen space a whole lot better too |
| [11:11:52] | Juski: | and needn't only apply to mythmusic come to think of it |
| [11:11:59] | Dagmar: | True |
| [11:12:10] | Dagmar: | So what we need is a Qt WonderListWidget. :) |
| [11:12:35] | ** Juski wonders what's happening with some behind the scenes stuff he knows about... ** | |
| [11:12:54] | Dagmar: | I'm still spelunking what goes where in the database |
| [11:13:08] | Juski: | laga.. got a few minutes for a /msg ? |
| [11:13:21] | Dagmar: | ...although I am 100% behind using a relational databse for storage of all this crap now |
| [11:13:30] | Juski: | ooo yeah me too |
| [11:13:33] | Dagmar: | Before I was kinda on the fence about whether or not it should just be a flat file |
| [11:13:50] | Juski: | mysql is a bunch of files anyway |
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| [11:14:22] | Dagmar: | Yeah, but it makes keeping track of them and their daily maintenance Someone Else's Problem, which is a Good Thing |
| [11:14:31] | Juski: | jups |
| [11:15:02] | Dagmar: | I finally had my use case for NOT having the paging daemon I wrote at the office use a MySQL server happen last week |
| [11:15:20] | Dagmar: | The MySQL server had an upgrade,, and the admin started it before I could send out the notifications |
| [11:15:25] | Dagmar: | No DB means no pages go out. |
| [11:15:39] | Juski: | oopsies |
| [11:16:03] | Dagmar: | This was also an entirely smaller thing, and by small I mean at the absolute worst-case it could involve 10,000 people's names and contact info being stored |
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| [11:16:35] | kazer_: | mmm |
| [11:16:41] | Dagmar: | ...but 10,000 names and stuff is still only going to be a 1.8 second operation on the quad-core beast it was running on |
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| [11:17:03] | Dagmar: | No matter how (not possible, but I'm just sayin) inefficiently I wrote the flat-file manager |
| [11:17:11] | kazer_: | what can you do when you have "No Seektable" when trying to export a show? |
| [11:17:28] | Dagmar: | blink in astonishment? |
| [11:17:56] | Dagmar: | exporting a show how? |
| [11:18:24] | Juski: | run mythcommflag on the file |
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| [12:21:58] | EvilGuru: | what is the current version of the mythtv protocol? |
| [12:22:22] | Zider: | 31 something I believe |
| [12:22:37] | GreyFoxx: | yup |
| [12:22:45] | EvilGuru: | hmmm |
| [12:23:31] | EvilGuru: | my box (running a 'compiled from source' version of mythtv which I did two days ago) only supports version 30 |
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| [12:23:54] | GreyFoxx: | 0.20 release is using protocol 30 |
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| [12:24:03] | GreyFoxx: | 0.20-fixes and current svn is 31 |
| [12:24:28] | EvilGuru: | figures |
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| [12:25:09] | EvilGuru: | can a newer client not interface with an older server at all? |
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| [12:28:07] | GreyFoxx: | EvilGuru: Not really no |
| [12:28:39] | GreyFoxx: | I'm sure certain functions would work, but important stuff will see the protocal mismatch and just barf an error |
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| [12:30:03] | Kelerion: | morning all |
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| [12:57:40] | MissActek: | For a MythTV and occasional games machine, which of my old graphics cards? nVidia GeForce FX 5600 or ATi Radeon 9800XT? |
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| [12:59:00] | Dagmar: | nVidia |
| [12:59:01] | GreyFoxx: | nvidia |
| [12:59:35] | MissActek: | Reasons? |
| [12:59:49] | GreyFoxx: | much better driver support mostly |
| [13:00:04] | GreyFoxx: | and optional xvmc abilities if you want it |
| [13:00:09] | MissActek: | Assuming driver support was equal? |
| [13:00:16] | MissActek: | Ah, xvmc. |
| [13:00:22] | MissActek: | I've never got that to work. |
| [13:00:48] | LLyric: | ati drivers are crappy, compared to nvidia |
| [13:00:49] | GreyFoxx: | the better driver support alone is usually a seller right there |
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| [13:01:00] | GreyFoxx: | they release more often, and usually work better |
| [13:01:08] | LLyric: | My stinky laptop has ATI card :( |
| [13:01:16] | GreyFoxx: | and the tvout on them is usually pretty good |
| [13:01:19] | LLyric: | Justabout makes it unusable |
| [13:01:22] | MissActek: | I can't see releases being a big deal, with both cards being outdated. |
| [13:01:57] | GreyFoxx: | MissActek: regular releases means regular bugfixes :) (And arguable more new bugs heh) |
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| [13:02:29] | MissActek: | Hm. |
| [13:02:38] | MissActek: | 5600 will probably be dropped sooner though. |
| [13:02:45] | GreyFoxx: | doubtful :) |
| [13:02:51] | MissActek: | Oh? |
| [13:03:06] | MissActek: | You think ATi will drop the 9800 before nVidia drop the 5600? |
| [13:03:30] | GreyFoxx: | from the linux drivers? I think you are years from either |
| [13:03:34] | Zider: | isn't the fx series relatively new? |
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| [13:03:59] | Zider: | compared to the gf2/3/4 "family"? |
| [13:04:11] | LLyric: | gf2 still works great with linux |
| [13:04:20] | Zider: | yep |
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| [13:04:26] | MissActek: | But isn't supported by the latest nvidia drivers. |
| [13:04:32] | Zider: | yes it is |
| [13:04:42] | Zider: | at leastsome gf2's |
| [13:04:51] | LLyric: | Sure it is. One of my myth boxes has a gf2, still seems to work fine |
| [13:04:59] | LLyric: | Running all-updates fc5+livna |
| [13:04:59] | Zider: | mine too |
| [13:05:16] | ** LLyric kicks atrpms in the nads ** | |
| [13:05:47] | ** Zider too ** | |
| [13:05:48] | Zider: | err |
| [13:05:50] | Zider: | whatfor? |
| [13:05:52] | Zider: | ;) |
| [13:06:05] | LLyric: | Because it's evil, and takes over your system, replacing lots of standard packages. |
| [13:06:53] | LLyric: | And Axel has been a pain about kernel modules for the longest time... |
| [13:06:59] | Dagmar: | I suppose it comes with armed thugs then |
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| [13:14:38] | mjelva_: | i'm unable to control mplayer when i start it from within mythtv. when i start it from commandline, all keyboard commands work fine. any theories why this might happen? |
| [13:15:12] | GreyFoxx: | mjelva_: Using a window manager ? |
| [13:18:36] | mjelva_: | GreyFoxx: like fluxbox etc? |
| [13:19:04] | GreyFoxx: | ye |
| [13:19:05] | GreyFoxx: | s |
| [13:19:16] | mjelva_: | it's commented out in .xinit, so no |
| [13:19:26] | GreyFoxx: | Start using one :) |
| [13:19:36] | GreyFoxx: | the window managers job is to handle focus issues :) |
| [13:19:39] | Dagmar: | Strangely, I've not had to use a window manager |
| [13:19:46] | mjelva_: | i should run both fluxbox and mythtv at the same time? |
| [13:19:46] | GreyFoxx: | no window manager and you are rolling the dice |
| [13:19:52] | Dagmar: | But then, the ONLY thing I have running is Myth |
| [13:20:11] | Dagmar: | There are zero X clients aside from Myth, so it can't actually put the focus anywhere else. |
| [13:20:13] | GreyFoxx: | Dagmar: Using the internal or external video players ? |
| [13:20:17] | GreyFoxx: | hehe yeah |
| [13:20:22] | Dagmar: | Whatever the hell it defaults to |
| [13:20:33] | GreyFoxx: | Internal now I belive |
| [13:20:36] | Dagmar: | I'm pretty sure (judging from the hideous volume slider) that it's using the external player |
| [13:20:41] | mjelva_: | so my .xinit should read like "exec fluxbox" "exec mythtv"? |
| [13:20:48] | Dagmar: | No |
| [13:20:55] | Dagmar: | You need to read the man page on exec |
| [13:21:09] | Dagmar: | Once you exec something, that's *it*. Script over. |
| [13:21:15] | mjelva_: | oh. k. |
| [13:21:20] | mjelva_: | there's no man page on exec btw |
| [13:21:37] | laga: | i think only mythdvd defaults to internal |
| [13:21:52] | mjelva_: | what do you recommend that my .xinit should read, then? |
| [13:22:04] | Dagmar: | That's because exec is a bash builtin, so you need to be looking in the man page for bash |
| [13:22:46] | Dagmar: | Start fluxbox, and then in whatever passes for fluxbox's runtime commands script, you start mythtv there |
| [13:23:54] | mjelva_: | k |
| [13:25:46] | Dagmar: | Honestly, I don't know what the hell is going on with focus in the cases where it misbehaves |
| [13:26:00] | Dagmar: | It screwed up for me twice in a row with 0.19, and then never again |
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| [13:29:51] | mjelva_: | Dagmar: lawlz. the fluxbox faq says not to start stuff through fluxbox, but directly through X |
| [13:30:35] | Zider: | I use the fluxbox start script |
| [13:30:38] | Zider: | works justfine |
| [13:30:43] | Dagmar: | Well, then start mythtv with & to background it and then exec fluxbox |
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| [13:31:34] | mjelva_: | Dagmar: how do i do the first part? |
| [13:31:44] | Dagmar: | using a text edits |
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| [13:31:48] | Dagmar: | s/edits/editor/; |
| [13:31:48] | mjelva_: | oh, rite. stupid me. |
| [13:31:52] | mjelva_: | mythfrontend& |
| [13:31:55] | mjelva_: | wasn't thinking |
| [13:32:57] | mjelva_: | Dagmar: why would i want to 'exec fluxbox' rather than just 'fluxbox'? |
| [13:33:11] | mjelva_: | won't that crash the x-server if i close fluxbox? |
| [13:33:24] | Dagmar: | No, it won't. |
| [13:33:25] | mjelva_: | x closes when it completes the exec, doesn't it? |
| [13:33:35] | Dagmar: | Dude, do this... |
| [13:33:39] | Dagmar: | Run `man bash` |
| [13:33:53] | Dagmar: | Then type "/ exec " (spaces are important) |
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| [13:34:43] | Dagmar: | Actually, just "/ exec " and then hit N twice. It should take you right to the section that explains what exec does |
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| [13:35:02] | Dagmar: | It's a somewhat important shell trick to know. |
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| [13:35:18] | Dagmar: | Without it, you wind up with the shell that's starting X still hanging around running for no reason. |
| [13:35:46] | Dagmar: | For example, let's say you just run bash from within bash, 1,000 times. |
| [13:35:55] | Dagmar: | You now have 1,001 bash processes running. |
| [13:36:07] | Dagmar: | Now let's say you run `exec bash` 1,000 times. |
| [13:36:16] | Dagmar: | You will have one bash process only. |
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| [13:37:30] | mjelva_: | :cool: |
| [13:37:43] | Zider: | what's with the colons? |
| [13:39:37] | Dagmar: | LTML |
| [13:40:06] | Zider: | say what? |
| [13:41:26] | Dagmar: | It started sucking after 3.0 when they added one-eleven and ROFLCOPTERS |
| [13:41:32] | Dagmar: | Colons are fine. |
| [13:43:01] | Zider: | http://www.ltml.lu ;) |
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| [13:51:01] | mjelva: | now that i've got that done, is there a way to control myth from another computer? like with a VNC session that controls :0 rather than the usual :1? |
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| [13:52:01] | GreyFoxx: | I just launch x11vnc -display :0 whenever I have a need to vnc to it |
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| [13:53:18] | mjelva: | GreyFoxx: do you need to run a vncserver? |
| [13:53:56] | GreyFoxx: | nope |
| [13:54:19] | GreyFoxx: | x11vnc attaches to the Xsession and I guess is the server |
| [13:54:27] | GreyFoxx: | since it's what I connect to :) |
| [13:55:22] | Dagmar: | I just launch the frontend on mydesktop. |
| [13:55:30] | Dagmar: | Much simpler |
| [13:55:36] | mjelva: | that might work too... |
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| [13:55:46] | laga: | isn't there a vnc module for X? |
| [13:55:53] | GreyFoxx: | Depending on what I'm connect to do I often export the X session to my desktop |
| [13:56:02] | mjelva: | laga: if you think about it, X is a VNC server. |
| [13:56:06] | Dagmar: | I'm not exporting the display. |
| [13:56:11] | mjelva: | it's called the X server for a reason |
| [13:56:16] | Dagmar: | Jesus no X is NOT a VNC server. |
| [13:56:18] | Zider: | it's possible to runvnc as a module in the x-server as well |
| [13:56:32] | mjelva: | Dagmar: it more or less is, man. you can connect to an X session from anywhere |
| [13:56:37] | Dagmar: | No, it is NOT. |
| [13:56:44] | mjelva: | and why is that? |
| [13:57:16] | mjelva: | are you disagreeing that X can accept TCP connections and be controlled remotely? |
| [13:57:20] | gbee: | suppose security would be the key difference |
| [13:57:24] | Dagmar: | For the same reason that a Yugo is not a Jaguar |
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| [13:57:29] | reeddler: | laga: x11vnc |
| [13:57:33] | Dagmar: | X has been around a LONG time |
| [13:57:48] | Dagmar: | X does things VNC only dreams of, and it does them correctly. |
| [13:57:49] | mjelva: | i'm not hearing any pursuasive arguments here, Dagmar |
| [13:57:57] | mjelva: | of course X is better |
| [13:58:00] | reeddler: | x11vnc will let you connect toyour current X session |
| [13:58:04] | Dagmar: | You insult X by saying it's a VNC server. |
| [13:58:12] | mjelva: | haha. true. X does have so much more |
| [13:58:18] | mjelva: | what i mean is, X can do what VNC does |
| [13:58:18] | Dagmar: | X is an X server. |
| [13:58:23] | Zider: | you can't attach to a running X session with just x11/xorg, you start a NEW session |
| [13:58:24] | Dagmar: | No. |
| [13:58:26] | mjelva: | sure, VNC can't do everything X does. that's a given. |
| [13:58:30] | Dagmar: | VNC can almost do what X does. |
| [13:58:40] | Dagmar: | You keep putting X inside the VNC group in your statements. |
| [13:58:43] | Dagmar: | This is incorrect. |
| [13:58:48] | mjelva: | that's true |
| [13:58:51] | Dagmar: | It is logically flaccid. :/ |
| [13:58:51] | mjelva: | i wouldn't go that far, no |
| [13:58:57] | mjelva: | like ur peen, amirite? |
| [13:59:13] | Zider: | german? |
| [13:59:15] | reeddler: | VNC server will not run unless there's X running |
| [13:59:21] | Zider: | or russian perhaps |
| [13:59:22] | mjelva: | also true |
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| [14:01:37] | Dagmar: | http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/composition.html |
| [14:04:10] | Dagmar: | ...also has similarities to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hasty_generalization |
| [14:04:38] | Dagmar: | ...although I think calling a Yugo a Jaguar (well, they're both CARS, right?) pretty much covers it. |
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| [14:07:05] | mjelva: | Dagmar: when you run mythfrontend on computer 2, how do you make videos etc play on computer 1? |
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| [14:07:43] | Dagmar: | Why in the hell would I want to do that? |
| [14:07:50] | GreyFoxx: | Why would you not run mythfrontend on Computer 1 ? |
| [14:07:56] | mjelva: | that's what i'm asking |
| [14:08:07] | mjelva: | you said you'd start mythfrontend on the local computer. |
| [14:08:12] | Dagmar: | Yes, I would. |
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| [14:08:18] | GreyFoxx: | ahh |
| [14:08:26] | mjelva: | well, what i want to do is control my media centre from my laptop |
| [14:08:27] | Dagmar: | Since I'm not *in front of* computer 2, there's no point in my messing with it at all. |
| [14:08:37] | Dagmar: | There are telnet commands for the frontend. |
| [14:08:41] | GreyFoxx: | Personally if I want to execute something on another frontend(playback etc) I just use the frontend on it,or the telnet interface |
| [14:08:41] | Dagmar: | Check the documentation. |
| [14:08:56] | GreyFoxx: | or the tiny web based interface to the telnet interface I spent 5 minutes making |
| [14:09:03] | mjelva: | Dagmar: would it give me the same control over mplayer as interfacing directly would? |
| [14:09:09] | Dagmar: | Probably not |
| [14:09:11] | GreyFoxx: | But usually just control mythfrontend directly |
| [14:09:23] | Dagmar: | ...but why you can't use a remote is an important question to be asking at this point. |
| [14:09:36] | mjelva: | i've been working on making my remote work for the past two days |
| [14:09:39] | Dagmar: | Otherwise we're only a few steps away from "Why can't I use MythTV to change the oil in my car??" |
| [14:09:39] | mjelva: | i can't get lirc working |
| [14:09:47] | Dagmar: | That's very sad. |
| [14:09:51] | mjelva: | i know |
| [14:09:53] | mjelva: | i'm a sad panda |
| [14:10:09] | laga: | lol |
| [14:10:12] | Dagmar: | Maybe it's god's little way of saying you watch too much television. |
| [14:10:22] | mjelva: | maybe |
| [14:10:49] | mjelva: | the ir receiver works tho. it shows up when i list usb devices. and i can start the computer using the remote. |
| [14:10:53] | mjelva: | but that's it |
| [14:10:54] | Dagmar: | I think what we need is a streaming videocast explaining how to use and maintain MythTV in detail, like DirectTV has |
| [14:11:21] | Dagmar: | So that people too stupid to be able to figure it out can sit and passively watch the feed for a few days until it sinks in, like the DirectTV idiot channel. |
| [14:11:27] | GreyFoxx: | Hmmmmm That actaulkly would be useful to a lot of people :) |
| [14:11:29] | mjelva: | thanks |
| [14:11:54] | mjelva: | you guys weren't able to help me either tho, so you fail at putting me down |
| [14:12:01] | Dagmar: | They honestly spend 8 minutes telling you how to push the number buttons on the reote |
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| [14:12:19] | Dagmar: | There's a difference between being incapable and being unconcerned. |
| [14:12:28] | Kelerion: | something we discussed at the expo was coming up with some standard hardware configurations (based on what people currently use) and writing howtos based on them |
| [14:12:30] | mjelva: | fgt |
| [14:12:34] | Dagmar: | You have to be more detailed than "doesn't work wah" for me to bother |
| [14:12:44] | mjelva: | i have been |
| [14:13:04] | Dagmar: | Kelerion: You're going to have to write something to detect that hardware because these people largely don't even knwo what they have half the time |
| [14:13:07] | Dagmar: | But it's a good idea |
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| [14:13:13] | laga: | Dagmar: that'd be a neat idea actually. a podcast explaining mythtv |
| [14:13:27] | Kelerion: | Dagmar: mainly for people that don't have the hardware yet...so they know what to buy |
| [14:13:28] | laga: | Kelerion: knoppmyth has somelike that, iirc |
| [14:13:31] | Dagmar: | laga: You get to handle the support questions on how to set up a podcast reciever. ;) |
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| [14:13:59] | laga: | Dagmar: well, we could put a video on youtube explaining that. idiots use youtube, youknow. |
| [14:14:03] | Kelerion: | systm had a video cast like that didn't they? |
| [14:14:11] | laga: | Kelerion: yep. it sucked. ;) |
| [14:14:20] | Dagmar: | laga: Ooooo yeees. That will work. Then it's Google's problem if they can't view a video |
| [14:14:24] | Kelerion: | didn't watch it all the way through...ran out of time |
| [14:14:30] | mjelva: | ok, here's my problem. i install lirc from the ubuntu repository. that's all well and good. i start lircd, and it seems to be running. i start irw and test it, and nothing. start irw again, and get a connection refused. ps aux for lircd, and it's no longer running. so i modprobe for lirc, and there's nothing. so i figure i need to hook up some fancy modules, and download lirc-modules-source. try to install it with ... |
| [14:14:32] | laga: | well, it didn't really suck. it was just too short and didn't go into any detail |
| [14:14:36] | mjelva: | ... module-assistant, and it craps out. then i follow the readme and try to do it manually with make-kpkg, and still it craps out. do you want logs? |
| [14:14:43] | GreyFoxx: | Kelerion: It was a Myth install guide for knoppmyth I think, but it skipped a lot |
| [14:14:47] | laga: | mjelva: one word: lrcd.conf. |
| [14:15:03] | Kelerion: | ahh.. ok |
| [14:15:15] | Dagmar: | mjelva: Do you actually want me to look at the logs or can we skip ahead to the part where I tell you that you didn't actually follow the instructions correctly? |
| [14:15:16] | laga: | mjelva: a few more words: read some documentation, please :( |
| [14:15:19] | mjelva: | what about it, laga? i've already copied /usr/src/lirc-0.8.0/remotes/imon/lircd.conf.imon to /etc/lirc/lircd.conf |
| [14:15:41] | mjelva: | i've read every piece of documentation i've been able to find in the past two or three days |
| [14:15:42] | Kelerion: | mjelva: and make sure the startup script isn't using the wrong dev... current ubuntu and lirc moves the dev to /dev/lirc/0 or something |
| [14:15:51] | laga: | mjelva: there's no lkm called lirc, though. |
| [14:16:12] | mjelva: | Kelerion: i've tried starting lircd explicitly declaring that it use /dev/lircd |
| [14:16:18] | mjelva: | and /dev/lirc |
| [14:16:20] | mjelva: | i've tried both |
| [14:16:31] | Kelerion: | are those devices actually *there*? |
| [14:16:34] | mjelva: | yes |
| [14:16:37] | Dagmar: | Just that you tried both says you're not acutally paying attention to what you're reading. |
| [14:17:13] | mjelva: | i tried the correct one first. then i tried the other one to see if that helped any. |
| [14:17:30] | mjelva: | it certainly couldn't hurt |
| [14:17:38] | Dagmar: | Yes, yes it could. |
| [14:17:43] | Dagmar: | Because it was a waste of your time. |
| [14:17:58] | mjelva: | yea, well. i'd already spent several hours working on it. it was worth a shot. |
| [14:18:02] | Kelerion: | mjelva: sounds like your lircd.conf is screwed or your permissions are wrong or your loading the wrong lirc module |
| [14:18:09] | Dagmar: | Whatcha wanna start testing with is `mode2`, like the docs say |
| [14:18:26] | Dagmar: | If you can detect raw pulses of IR is the first thing you should be checking. |
| [14:18:28] | Kelerion: | and besides... always best to download it from lirc.org ... never *yet* made it work for the repo's here |
| [14:18:31] | mjelva: | Kelerion: are the modules included in the lirc package, or do i have to compile them from lirc-modules-source? |
| [14:18:55] | Dagmar: | mjelva: There is, as of yet, no completely _sane_ way to prepackage lirc to work with everything. |
| [14:19:11] | Kelerion: | mjelva.. one sec.. will get you a link for ubuntu with the steps |
| [14:19:11] | Dagmar: | mjelva: you're probably better off grabbing the source tarball for it and compiling it |
| [14:19:19] | mjelva: | i've tried. i'm unable to compile. |
| [14:19:33] | Dagmar: | Wrong again |
| [14:19:36] | mjelva: | it's very frustrating |
| [14:19:37] | Dagmar: | You can compile. |
| [14:19:43] | Dagmar: | I have faith that you can type `make` and hit enter. |
| [14:19:52] | mjelva: | i get errors |
| [14:19:54] | Dagmar: | You're just missing something that it wants, probably configured kernel source |
| [14:19:56] | Kelerion: | Dagmar: chill out...it ain't helping |
| [14:20:07] | mjelva: | i have kernel source, and i have kernel headers |
| [14:20:13] | mjelva: | i've tried linking both to /usr/src/linux |
| [14:20:21] | Dagmar: | mjelva: Do you happen to have the text of the error it gave? |
| [14:20:30] | mjelva: | not anymore, but i can reproduce |
| [14:20:37] | Dagmar: | Kelerion: It's getting specifics out of him instead of generalizations. |
| [14:20:39] | Kelerion: | mjelva: http://64.233.183.104/search?q=cache:XKjpTu9A . . . lnk&cd=1 |
| [14:20:41] | Dagmar: | OOoh yes reproduce it |
| [14:20:46] | Kelerion: | follow that exactly |
| [14:20:56] | Dagmar: | I can probably just glance at it and tell what broke |
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| [14:21:17] | Dagmar: | Kelerion: I'm not a stick-only guy. There *is* carrot involved. :) |
| [14:21:37] | ** Kelerion chuckles ** | |
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| [14:21:56] | Kelerion: | and mjelva: uninstall the ones you got from apt |
| [14:21:59] | mjelva: | Dagmar: actually, i found it. http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/28673/ |
| [14:22:07] | Dagmar: | My comment about make was simply to express that compiling stuff is easy. It's the *other* stuff that can break it that people should actually worry about a little bit |
| [14:22:13] | Dagmar: | Cool. On emoment |
| [14:24:08] | Dagmar: | |
| [14:24:13] | Dagmar: | This is an annoying one |
| [14:24:27] | Dagmar: | Damn USB API changes |
| [14:25:03] | Kelerion: | installing lirc on ubuntu is really easy.. if you follow the right howto guide |
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| [14:25:16] | Dagmar: | static struct usb_driver imon_driver = { |
| [14:25:16] | Dagmar: | .owner = THIS_MODULE, |
| [14:25:20] | mjelva: | Kelerion: i'll try the abarbaccia one |
| [14:25:25] | laga: | dunno, but LIRC is a PITA in general, if you ask me ;) |
| [14:25:38] | Kelerion: | unfortunately www.abarbaccia.com is down so have to use the google cache |
| [14:25:40] | mjelva: | Dagmar: is that my problem? how do i fix it? |
| [14:25:48] | Kelerion: | laga.. yeah I agree with that |
| [14:25:57] | mjelva: | Kelerion: yea. i'm going through the IVTV one first, since that's where he explains how to set up the build environment |
| [14:26:04] | mjelva: | i'm gonna do it by the numbers. hopefully that will work. |
| [14:26:08] | Kelerion: | mjelva: very good idea |
| [14:26:32] | Dagmar: | mjelva: Yes. That's your problem. Fixing it isn't actually all _that_ hard. What package did your /usr/include/linux/usb.h come from? |
| [14:26:41] | mjelva: | i have no idea |
| [14:26:44] | Kelerion: | I did it a couple of nights ago from scratch for the expo... only had one trouble with it and that was udev related.. but an easy fix |
| [14:28:59] | ** Kelerion thinks He could easily get himself in trouble over his new thoughts on installing myth.. lol ** | |
| [14:29:03] | Dagmar: | mjelva: okay, well, the odds are pretty damn high that you have kernel headers from a 2.4.x kernel there |
| [14:29:10] | Dagmar: | I just replicated the situation to be sure. |
| [14:29:24] | Dagmar: | Lemme cook up the Minimum Necessary Change to weasel around it real quick |
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| [14:30:07] | Dagmar: | mjelva: You're actually running a 2.6.x kernel, right? (BTW, do NOT "upgrade" the headers in /usr/include/linux) |
| [14:30:34] | mjelva: | Dagmar: upgrade the headers? |
| [14:30:37] | mjelva: | i'm running 2.6.17 |
| [14:31:03] | Dagmar: | No, do NOT upgrade those |
| [14:31:06] | mjelva: | and i have linux-headers-2.6.17-10–386 |
| [14:31:11] | mjelva: | so that's too late, i suppose |
| [14:31:15] | mjelva: | i've been working with those all along |
| [14:31:25] | mjelva: | this is a fresh install |
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| [14:32:25] | Kelerion: | Dagmar: do you honestly believe a new user should even have to care about these kernel header packages just to use mythtv? |
| [14:32:26] | Dagmar: | Bleh. Got it backwards both ways that time |
| [14:32:26] | laga: | the linux-headers-2.6.17-10–386 don't install into /usr/include/linux |
| [14:32:40] | Dagmar: | Kelerion: no, I don't think they should. This is a lirc dev screwup IMHO |
| [14:32:43] | Dagmar: | I have fixed it before |
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| [14:32:46] | laga: | they're linked into /lib/modules/`uname -r`/build i think. quite handy for building additional modules |
| [14:32:53] | Dagmar: | It's just taking me a minute to remember the warped little workaround |
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| [14:33:02] | Dagmar: | This is one of those damn USB API changes |
| [14:33:13] | |marvin|: | hello |
| [14:33:17] | Dagmar: | The lirc_imon module expects 2.4.x headers, not 2.6.x headers (which is what I got backwards) |
| [14:33:24] | Dagmar: | However, it's just a bloody name change |
| [14:33:31] | Dagmar: | I just gotta rememebr what to change it TO |
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| [14:33:46] | Dagmar: | So I'm looking at both sets of headers real quick to remind myself |
| [14:35:17] | mjelva: | k |
| [14:35:37] | Dagmar: | LOL |
| [14:35:46] | Dagmar: | Okay. I should have remember this. I really should have. |
| [14:35:53] | mjelva: | i'm all ears |
| [14:35:56] | Dagmar: | That was the element that was just plain *dropped* from 2.6.x |
| [14:36:44] | mjelva: | which one? |
| [14:36:51] | Dagmar: | Go into drivers/lirc_imon/lirc_imon.c at line 204, and just delete the line that says " .owner = THIS_MODULE," |
| [14:37:07] | Dagmar: | If you use vim, you can type ":204" and it'll take you right there. |
| [14:37:53] | Dagmar: | What you should be left with there is static struct usb_driver imon_driver = { |
| [14:37:54] | Dagmar: | .name = MOD_NAME, |
| [14:38:02] | Dagmar: | Then it builds (and works) fine |
| [14:38:14] | mjelva: | hawt |
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| [14:38:17] | mjelva: | will give it a spin |
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| [14:39:19] | mjelva: | Dagmar: when i do, should modules/lirc/ be in the source directory or in /usr/src? |
| [14:39:38] | mjelva: | like, should /modules/lirc/ be in /usr/src/linux/modules/? |
| [14:39:46] | Dagmar: | mjelva: Huh? It doesnt' really matter unless you're going about it all in a very difficult way |
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| [14:39:53] | Dagmar: | I just untar lirc-0.8.0.tar.bz2 in /usrs/rc |
| [14:40:21] | Dagmar: | Ya open the tarball, hack up that file to remove the stale .owner struct, then run `setup.sh`, and tell it which module to use, then run configure.sh |
| [14:40:28] | Dagmar: | or let setup.sh run that stuff for you |
| [14:40:48] | Dagmar: | It'll put things in the right places when you run `make install` |
| [14:41:02] | fish_: | arr, my mythvideo doenst work anymore... |
| [14:41:22] | fish_: | i have simply not the menu entries for the video stuff |
| [14:41:42] | Dagmar: | fish_: Usually this means you don't have the plugin installed |
| [14:41:53] | fish_: | Dagmar: i have it installed.. |
| [14:42:18] | fish_: | i have also video* tables in my mysql db.. |
| [14:42:26] | Dagmar: | Kelerion: Lirc is one of those things that's going to stay hatefully complex for awhile, I think |
| [14:42:33] | fish_: | but i just dont have the video menu |
| [14:43:29] | mjelva: | fuck |
| [14:43:33] | fish_: | i dont need the video plugin on the frontend side, right? |
| [14:44:11] | Dagmar: | mjelva: eh? |
| [14:44:22] | Dagmar: | fish_: Um, yes, mythtvideo needs to be installed ont he machine running the frontend |
| [14:44:36] | Dagmar: | If you're saying it's not, well... there's your problem |
| [14:44:54] | mjelva: | Dagmar: i didn't bother pasting everything, but here's the last page of the make output: http://pastebin.ca/226452 |
| [14:44:57] | fish_: | well.. it should be installed there too |
| [14:45:10] | fish_: | it has worked already.. |
| [14:45:31] | Dagmar: | mjelva: Dude, what part of "delete line 204 from drivers/lirc_imon/lirc_imon.c" is tripping you up? |
| [14:45:43] | fish_: | uhm.. well.. but it isnt installed anymore.. dunno why ;) |
| [14:45:47] | Dagmar: | You forgot the key part of that |
| [14:45:51] | Dagmar: | heh |
| [14:45:52] | mjelva: | wtf. didn't i? |
| [14:46:04] | Dagmar: | No you didn't or it wouldn't be complaining about the object you didn't delete. :) |
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| [14:46:29] | mjelva: | Dagmar: i think i might have deleted the same line but from the lirc-modules-source package |
| [14:46:32] | mjelva: | retrying |
| [14:46:34] | mjelva: | <- tard |
| [14:46:37] | Dagmar: | Whoopsie. Heh |
| [14:47:42] | mjelva: | it's doing something new now. that's good, i suppose. |
| [14:47:48] | mjelva: | yea. it's working. |
| [14:47:52] | Dagmar: | It'll complete momentarily |
| [14:48:20] | Dagmar: | ...adn no, this is not something I'd expect many people to figure out on their own, which is why it's important to dig and research when you hit a problem so you can ask "smart questions" |
| [14:48:39] | mjelva: | i thought i was |
| [14:48:40] | Dagmar: | Get a "smart question" in front of the right person, and the answers are easy for them to crank out. |
| [14:48:42] | mjelva: | i even pasted logs |
| [14:48:50] | Dagmar: | Enh I wasn't around to see them I guess |
| [14:48:53] | mjelva: | :( |
| [14:49:03] | mjelva: | so is this installed now, or is there a .deb somewhere? |
| [14:49:11] | Dagmar: | After you run `make install` it will be |
| [14:49:14] | Dagmar: | one moment |
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| [14:50:23] | mjelva: | and the modules, will those be as well, or should i repeat the process with lirc-modules-source? |
| [14:50:32] | Dagmar: | You might want to keep the original package you installed in place,, because it will have (hopefully) some usable startup scripts for starting lircds |
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| [14:50:41] | Dagmar: | No you're done at this point. |
| [14:50:53] | Dagmar: | You can type `modprobe lirc_imon` and then you should see it load |
| [14:51:12] | mjelva: | Dagmar: there was a howto i followed that outlined some steps for copying configs from the package when you install from source |
| [14:51:19] | mjelva: | using apt-get -d and then extracting |
| [14:51:38] | Dagmar: | All that's left to do is fire up mode2 and you should be able to see that it can detect pulses now, and from this point you should be able to follow almost any documentation |
| [14:52:57] | mjelva: | ok. mode2 is running. i suppose this is where i go upstairs and try the remote. |
| [14:53:03] | Dagmar: | Yep |
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| [14:53:17] | Dagmar: | Push any old buttons and you should see some semi-useless numbers roll out |
| [14:53:19] | mjelva: | actually, i should start lircd first |
| [14:53:25] | Dagmar: | Nope |
| [14:53:30] | mjelva: | oh. ok then. |
| [14:53:34] | Dagmar: | Not needed for a mode2 test |
| [14:54:21] | Dagmar: | Just like the docs should say, after you've successfully detected pulses with mode2, you go and find a config file so that lircd can understand what those pulses mean your remote is saying |
| [14:54:54] | mjelva: | sweeet |
| [14:55:07] | mjelva: | i'm getting bullshit numbers |
| [14:55:11] | mjelva: | sweet, sweet bullshit numbers |
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| [14:56:15] | Dagmar: | ...and once lircd understands what your remote is saying, you get to find and install the second config file that tells lircd what to say to MythTV/mplayer/xine about it |
| [14:57:02] | mjelva: | hawt |
| [14:57:21] | mjelva: | i guess i should go read some docs |
| [14:57:40] | Dagmar: | Lirc is the _most_ detail-oriented thing in the lot |
| [14:58:14] | Dagmar: | It's pretty easy to get mixed up because of the number of pieces and steps involved. |
| [14:58:36] | Dagmar: | ...and I really don't see it getting any easier, but the good news is that once you've done it the first time, it's never hard again |
| [15:00:58] | mjelva: | Dagmar: copying /usr/src/lirc-0.8.0/remotes/imon/lircd.conf.imon to /etc/lircd.conf covers the first step, doesn't it? |
| [15:01:06] | mjelva: | so now i just need to configure it for myth and mplayer? |
| [15:01:07] | Dagmar: | I think so |
| [15:01:09] | Dagmar: | Yep |
| [15:01:37] | Dagmar: | There's also http://www.lirc.org/remotes.tar.bz2 in case you happen to need about a zillion remote configs |
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| [15:02:09] | mjelva: | instead of lircd.conf.imon you mean? |
| [15:02:28] | mjelva: | i have no idea if my remote is a soundgraph imon, but my ir receiver is |
| [15:02:30] | Dagmar: | No, in case you had some other remote actually |
| [15:02:37] | mjelva: | i imagine i need a config for both. or? |
| [15:02:42] | Dagmar: | You don't know what remote you have? |
| [15:02:43] | Dagmar: | OH FUN |
| [15:02:47] | Dagmar: | lol |
| [15:03:06] | Dagmar: | lirc only does one type of remote at a time |
| [15:03:09] | mjelva: | nope. but i can probably find out. it came with my silverstone case |
| [15:03:17] | Dagmar: | Reasonable. |
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| [15:07:04] | Juski: | Kelerion: afternoon fella |
| [15:07:42] | mjelva: | Dagmar: turns out i have the iMON PAD controller. |
| [15:07:56] | mjelva: | i suppose that means i should have compiled lirc with the imon_pad module :( |
| [15:08:02] | mjelva: | go back and redo? |
| [15:08:09] | Juski: | oh hell... lirc issues again |
| [15:08:22] | mjelva: | i'm getting somewhere this time, Juski |
| [15:08:30] | mjelva: | got it working. i just think with the wrong driver. |
| [15:08:43] | Juski: | doesn't take long to rebuild it IIRC |
| [15:09:05] | Juski: | one module or so never usually takes long |
| [15:09:17] | Kelerion: | afternoon Juski.. got the report thanks .. looks good |
| [15:09:18] | mjelva: | should i make uninstall, run ./setup.sh again, make and then make install, or should i skip make uninstall? |
| [15:09:51] | Juski: | cheers Kelerion :) nothing you got from anyone that I might've missed in terms of erm... things they brought up? |
| [15:09:59] | mjelva: | Dagmar? |
| [15:10:44] | Kelerion: | yeah... inclusion in ubuntu |
| [15:10:58] | Juski: | I spoke to Jono about that |
| [15:11:03] | Kelerion: | when? |
| [15:11:09] | Juski: | over email today |
| [15:11:10] | Dagmar: | mjelva: Yep. do a `make clean` in the source and then run setup.sh again, all that jazz |
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| [15:11:21] | Kelerion: | kk..and? |
| [15:11:47] | Dagmar: | I'm going to go have my cigarette now |
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| [15:14:09] | RyeBrye: | Has anyone here set up an Nvidia card with the 9625 drivers? |
| [15:15:00] | RyeBrye: | I read on the Nvidia forums that a lot of people are having problems with the TV-out on that driver |
| [15:15:32] | RyeBrye: | ... and the only way to do it is to set up the nvidia-settings as having a dual-view setup |
| [15:15:48] | RyeBrye: | ... but clearly this is not ideal for a MythTV setup :) |
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| [15:22:57] | mjelva: | i'm unable to unload lirc_imon with modprobe -r. what gives? |
| [15:23:48] | Juski: | mjelva: lircd is using it? |
| [15:24:35] | mjelva: | lircd isn't running |
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| [15:26:36] | Dagmar: | mjelva: Different module name |
| [15:26:37] | Dagmar: | ahem |
| [15:27:13] | Dagmar: | It's imon_pad for that hardware |
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| [15:27:38] | Dagmar: | I *think8. Not sure. Checking now... |
| [15:28:02] | mjelva: | Dagmar: imon_pad not found |
| [15:28:21] | Dagmar: | Nevermind, it's still lirc_imon. Did you run depmod? |
| [15:28:25] | mjelva: | after i run ./setup.sh, it says i'll have to use lirc_imon |
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| [15:28:50] | mjelva: | Dagmar: no. should i? |
| [15:28:53] | Dagmar: | Yes. |
| [15:29:07] | Dagmar: | You need to run depmod every time you put new modules in or change modules. |
| [15:29:40] | mjelva: | ok. what i've done so far: make clean, tried to remove module using modprobe -r, manually deleted module, ./setup.sh, make, make uninstall, modprobed again and then rebooted |
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| [15:31:55] | Dagmar: | Well, after you've run depmod you *should* be able to modprobe lirc_imon, that is, if it didn't put the stuff into the usbmap so that the udev loaded it already |
| [15:32:17] | mjelva: | usbmap? no. should i? |
| [15:33:36] | Dagmar: | Should you what? |
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| [15:36:04] | mjelva: | Dagmar: the usbmap thingy |
| [15:36:12] | Dagmar: | You shouldn't (and you dont' want to) mess with the usbmap manually |
| [15:36:41] | Dagmar: | Just run depmod and then try modprobing the module |
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| [15:38:18] | mjelva: | Dagmar: hot. i'm running irw, and trying out the different buttons, and they all have names |
| [15:38:21] | mjelva: | i suppose that means they're configured |
| [15:38:31] | Dagmar: | Yep |
| [15:38:34] | Dagmar: | That's _good_ |
| [15:38:43] | Dagmar: | You're on the downslope now |
| [15:39:48] | mjelva: | now i need to configure mythtv to respond to the same commands? |
| [15:39:54] | Dagmar: | No |
| [15:40:05] | Dagmar: | All you have to do for mythtv is get the OTHER .lircrc file that it needs to be able to read |
| [15:40:25] | Dagmar: | The one that goes into ~/.mythtv/lircrc |
| [15:40:26] | mjelva: | get from where? |
| [15:40:37] | Dagmar: | Usually from websearching |
| [15:40:46] | mjelva: | k |
| [15:41:22] | Dagmar: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/LIRC |
| [15:42:21] | ** Juski wonders how knoppmyth handles all its remote config stuff ** | |
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| [15:43:09] | Juski: | like.. does it ask the user about the card, then drill down a bunch of possibilities & copy a 'best guess' config file across? |
| [15:43:26] | Dagmar: | The mythtv lircrc file should be more or less the same for most remotes, so at least that part is easy |
| [15:44:07] | Dagmar: | For exmaple: http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_LIRC#Using_LIRC_with_mythtv |
| [15:44:12] | Dagmar: | What they have in there is pretty generic |
| [15:44:23] | Juski: | yeah then you just have to get button names to match up |
| [15:44:43] | Tronic: | Speaking of LIRC, are there any BT remote controls? |
| [15:44:49] | Dagmar: | I managed to find copies of both working config files for my One4All remote |
| [15:44:50] | Juski: | would be a hell of a lot of work to start with but you _could_ actually wizardise that |
| [15:44:54] | Tronic: | I really don't want any of that IR shit. |
| [15:45:03] | Paladine: | ok I -know- some of you guys are running lvm |
| [15:45:04] | Juski: | BT ? |
| [15:45:07] | Tronic: | Bluetooth. |
| [15:45:12] | Dagmar: | Paladine: Don't you LOVE their docs |
| [15:45:13] | Paladine: | the ubuntu channels are crap today for help |
| [15:45:32] | Juski: | Tronic: they prolly only act as keyboard devices so they'd be a doddle in theory |
| [15:45:32] | Paladine: | I need a hand installing ubuntu server with lvm across 2 drives |
| [15:45:33] | Tronic: | It has enough range and it doesn't require line of sight. |
| [15:45:43] | Paladine: | the first time I installed it only added onedrive to the lv group |
| [15:45:54] | Dagmar: | No big deal there |
| [15:46:00] | Tronic: | Juski: Yes, but I haven't seen any such devices being sold. |
| [15:46:13] | Tronic: | (except for BT keyboards, but if I want a remote control -style device) |
| [15:46:14] | Dagmar: | So long as you're not planning on striping or mirroring, you can add new drives to LVM |
| [15:46:40] | Paladine: | yeah but I am in the installation app at the moment, so I need to know how to do it in the installation hehehe |
| [15:46:45] | Paladine: | I have never used lvm before |
| [15:46:50] | Dagmar: | ...and if you're using one of the filesystems that the docs try to beat into people's skulls that they should use (like jfs) expanding the storage volume so that it uses the new space is also pretty easy |
| [15:47:04] | Dagmar: | I've no idea how their installation does it. |
| [15:47:05] | Paladine: | Iwill be using ext3 |
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| [15:47:13] | Juski: | Tronic: the problem with remotes is that manufacturers generally like to make em cheap as hell, or expensive as hell |
| [15:47:25] | Dagmar: | Id' say settle for just getting the thing installed, and leave yourself unpartitioned space to make your storage volumes with later |
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| [15:47:33] | Juski: | not much in the middle ground.. and bluetooth aint as cheap as IR |
| [15:47:38] | Tronic: | Juski: Really, the problem is that they all use infrared. No matter how expensive. |
| [15:47:50] | Paladine: | Dagmar, I am trying to decide the best partition setup too for my server |
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| [15:48:02] | Juski: | you can turn a bluetooth-enabled PDA into a remote pretty easily |
| [15:48:10] | Paladine: | dagmar http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=286991 |
| [15:48:48] | Dagmar: | 256Mb for /, 512Mb for /var, 8G for /usr, 1Gb for /tmp, 512Mb for swap, maybe 6Gb for /home, and everything else in one whopping great partition. |
| [15:49:05] | Tronic: | Juski: Yes, or I could just use BT keyboard directly. But none of these devices are real remote controls, with physical buttons and low battery usage. |
| [15:49:09] | Dagmar: | You can make an IR-enabled PDA into a remote even more easily |
| [15:49:22] | Tronic: | (and fits-in-hand design) |
| [15:49:23] | Juski: | plus, IR is easily more than capable for plenty of people. for those who want multiroom there's RF |
| [15:49:45] | Tronic: | Dagmar: The point is to get rid of IR, since IR doesn't work well. |
| [15:49:58] | Dagmar: | Paladine: Looking at your post, there is no way in hell you need 4Gb of swap |
| [15:50:04] | Dagmar: | IR works fine |
| [15:50:09] | Dagmar: | If you can see the TV, it can see you. |
| [15:50:11] | Juski: | my OFA-6 remote & home made receiver has a range of about 10 metres |
| [15:50:14] | Paladine: | dagmar, old habits die hard |
| [15:50:19] | Juski: | not always line of sight either |
| [15:50:20] | Tronic: | Dagmar: It requires a line of sight, and that is not acceptable in my setup. |
| [15:50:26] | Paladine: | when i first started using linux over 10 years ago you always used 2x ram for swap |
| [15:50:28] | Dagmar: | (and don't think it's not watching you and what you do closely) |
| [15:50:41] | Tronic: | I cannot see my amplifier when listening to music. |
| [15:50:49] | Dagmar: | Tronic: Hardly. Mine literally bounces off two walls before it gets to the reciever |
| [15:51:03] | Juski: | Tronic: have you looked at the ATI remote wonder? that's RF IIRC |
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| [15:51:13] | Dagmar: | Either way, you're complaining for us to fix a problem that you have because you're stubborn. :/ |
| [15:51:15] | Juski: | might even work in Linux too |
| [15:51:25] | Tronic: | Yes, the better IR remotes may have high enough tx power to allow one or two reflections. |
| [15:51:47] | Tronic: | Usually you still have to aim them to those reflective surfaces (which is how I adjust the volume now). |
| [15:51:49] | Ruleke: | Hello folks |
| [15:51:51] | Dagmar: | Paladine: Seriously man, if Myth does more than the "I'm bored, lets swap some trivial crap out" when you have 2GB of RAM, something is fatally broken |
| [15:51:55] | Juski: | the remote I have only has one emitter & I can't remember ever changing its batteries in 3 years |
| [15:52:12] | Dagmar: | If it were to swap out to even HALF of that 4Gb of swap you want, you should punt the whole machine out the window and move to a new city. |
| [15:52:13] | Juski: | heylo Ruleke |
| [15:52:31] | Dagmar: | 2Gb is crazy overkill for mythtv unless you have like nine tuners. |
| [15:52:39] | Paladine: | dagmar, it isn't for myth |
| [15:52:42] | Ruleke: | Can anyone please help me out, I can't seem to find the option to not start recording if below a certain disk free threshold anymore... |
| [15:52:53] | Paladine: | Ijust asked in here cos I know a bunch of you use lvm and ubuntu |
| [15:53:01] | Dagmar: | ...and that would be nine tuners doing software encoding, so you'd probably need a quad-proc motherboard rig |
| [15:53:04] | Ruleke: | I thought it was the "leave extra" thing but it doesn't seem to work :/ |
| [15:53:06] | Juski: | Ruleke: never expire recordings, then it'll never have enough free space to even start recordings |
| [15:53:20] | Ruleke: | erm |
| [15:53:21] | Tronic: | Juski: Hmm.. I'd rather keep away from vendor-specific RF hacks (those tend to have very short range), and I am definately keeping away from ATI graphics cards. However, it is interesting if they actually offer RF. |
| [15:53:23] | Dagmar: | hehe |
| [15:53:57] | Dagmar: | Paladine: Well, about all I can offer you is that you really probably don't want your swap partition within the LVM stuff |
| [15:53:57] | Juski: | Tronic: well, you have a long wait on your hands then |
| [15:53:59] | Ruleke: | Juski: yeah ok, I want to prevent it filling the disk during a recording... so I want it to abort the recording if below x GB is free... |
| [15:54:06] | Ruleke: | It used to do it... |
| [15:54:16] | Juski: | Ruleke: shouldn't it always do that anyway? |
| [15:54:24] | Ruleke: | I thought so, apparently not |
| [15:54:36] | ** Juski lobs a new Hitachi 1TB HDD at Ruleke ** | |
| [15:54:44] | Ruleke: | bleh |
| [15:54:44] | Paladine: | door bbiab |
| [15:55:07] | Tronic: | Juski: I guess so. Some hifi manufacturers also have RF remotes, but of course those are fully vendor-specific and not suitable for controlling PCs. |
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| [15:56:29] | defaultro: | morning folks |
| [15:57:54] | defaultro: | can anyone help me please with mythmusic? AudioDevice is still pointing to ALSA:digital but I don't hear any sound anymore. There was this tool that I ran accidentally which screwed it up. I think alsactl something |
| [15:58:16] | defaultro: | Watching recorded programs, ALSA:digital works fine |
| [15:59:16] | Juski: | defaultro: if the audiodevice is just set to 'default' in mythmusic what happens? |
| [15:59:25] | defaultro: | nothing too |
| [15:59:34] | defaultro: | I've tried many config |
| [15:59:56] | Dagmar: | You might want to check the volume levels |
| [15:59:59] | defaultro: | can you please check how many Audiofields you have in settings |
| [16:00:20] | defaultro: | the volume is fine because I can hear very loud when watching the recorded programs |
| [16:00:25] | defaultro: | mplayer works too |
| [16:00:28] | defaultro: | when playing the mp3 |
| [16:01:33] | defaultro: | when using mplayer, it uses this and works fine ->alsa-init: using device hw:0,2 |
| [16:01:35] | Dagmar: | Well, all alsactl does is save and restore mixer settings, so if your problem was caused by alsactl, then you've got some mixer elements muted |
| [16:01:45] | defaultro: | ok |
| [16:02:05] | defaultro: | what if renaming the .asoundrc file, will it fix it? |
| [16:02:16] | mjelva: | Dagmar: the pad in the middle doesn't respond on irw, but outputs garbage as usual with mode2. i can train it, right? |
| [16:02:21] | Dagmar: | If your ALSA will work completely unconfigured, sure |
| [16:02:28] | defaultro: | oh |
| [16:02:28] | Dagmar: | mjelva: yeah |
| [16:02:36] | mjelva: | sweet |
| [16:02:41] | defaultro: | so something might be wrong with my alsamixer settings then? |
| [16:02:56] | defaultro: | what is the first thing I should execute to verify? |
| [16:02:56] | Dagmar: | That's waht I've been saying |
| [16:03:00] | Dagmar: | alsamixer |
| [16:03:02] | defaultro: | ok |
| [16:03:07] | defaultro: | what should I look for? |
| [16:03:09] | Dagmar: | Check for anything muted or at zero volume |
| [16:03:13] | defaultro: | ok |
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| [16:03:23] | defaultro: | I'll try to bring everything up to 60% |
| [16:03:31] | Dagmar: | Aim for 80% |
| [16:04:10] | Dagmar: | For reasons too complex to bother with, 77% is a good "I've no idea what the hell the circuitry will do" default to avoid annoying overvolume clipping problems from wonky chipsets |
| [16:04:26] | Dagmar: | Gives ya room to go down as well as up a little |
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| [16:05:13] | defaultro: | when I press f4, it shows the capture |
| [16:05:19] | defaultro: | i mean,f5 |
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| [16:06:32] | defaultro: | ok, I'm going to try mythmusic now |
| [16:07:45] | Dagmar: | For those thinking I'm kidding, yes I have seen chipsets that will cause clipping when you take one of the mixer levels above 95%, which is just insane IMHO |
| [16:12:31] | defaultro: | :( still didn't work |
| [16:13:06] | defaultro: | Can you please check how many fields in settings table you have for audio? I have 3 |
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| [16:13:32] | defaultro: | MusicAudioDevice, AudioDevice and AudioOutputDevice all pointing to ALSA:digital |
| [16:13:55] | defaultro: | MixerDevice is /dev/mixer |
| [16:14:07] | defaultro: | should I change that to ALSA:digital too? |
| [16:14:13] | laga: | Dagmar: that might depend on the implementation of the chip – the linux drivrs are generic ones, imho, so they can't account for every possible configuration out there |
| [16:14:59] | mjelva: | Dagmar: i tried training it with irrecord, but the result is pretty crappy. it works, but it's unreliable. works maybe a third of the times i press the button. |
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| [16:19:05] | defaultro: | and mythfrontend is not complaining anything about, it plays it, here is the log |
| [16:19:05] | defaultro: | 2006-10–28 11:18:06.153 XMLParse::LoadTheme using /usr/local/share/mythtv/themes/ProjectGrayhem-wide/music-ui.xml |
| [16:19:05] | defaultro: | 2006-10–28 11:18:13.289 Opening ALSA audio device 'digital'. |
| [16:20:54] | Dagmar: | mjelva: Now you get to take what irrecord came up with, look at the pulse lengths of the OTHER things listed and try to come up with more correct values |
| [16:21:58] | mjelva: | what? |
| [16:22:52] | Dagmar: | Remote controls tend not to be super-accurate devices |
| [16:22:59] | mjelva: | well. all the other codes begin with 2. the ones i trained begin with 6. |
| [16:23:08] | Dagmar: | Sometimes the pulses are slightly longer than usual, sometimes shorter |
| [16:23:30] | mjelva: | all the codes end with B7, except one of mine |
| [16:23:42] | mjelva: | should i change both? |
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| [16:24:24] | mjelva: | btw, i ran irrecord twice, and got the same result both times |
| [16:24:31] | Dagmar: | It can't really hurt. You can always put the numbers back |
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| [16:28:38] | defaultro: | I got it fixed |
| [16:28:45] | defaultro: | don't know why it should be like that |
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| [16:29:01] | defaultro: | it was showing default on the backend and frontend |
| [16:29:13] | defaultro: | i changed it to ALSA:default and it work |
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| [16:32:17] | Esotericisms: | what application does everyone use for playback on windows boxes? |
| [16:32:40] | Dagmar: | Windows Media Player |
| [16:33:15] | Kelerion: | vlc |
| [16:33:33] | Esotericisms: | video lan client right? |
| [16:33:40] | Kelerion: | thats the one |
| [16:35:06] | Esotericisms: | thanks |
| [16:37:34] | Esotericisms: | Kelerion, how do you get VLC to play it? |
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| [16:38:06] | omry: | hmm, anyone got lirc to compile under kernel 2.6.18? |
| [16:41:25] | ivor: | gbee: hey there! |
| [16:41:59] | ivor: | taking it easy being brought copious cups of tea? |
| [16:46:11] | Dagmar: | omry: Have you pastebinned the build error? |
| [16:46:47] | omry: | Dagmar, no, but I can tell that it can't find devfs related header in the kernel tree |
| [16:47:08] | Dagmar: | Well, then you must already know the fix |
| [16:47:17] | omry: | no |
| [16:47:25] | omry: | downgrade the kernel? |
| [16:48:47] | omry: | Dagmar, here are the errors: http://firefnag.net/omry/lirc-build.txt |
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| [17:05:30] | robbins876: | I'm trying to get lirc/mythtv installed on FC6... but i'm getting this error when i run irw. http://pastebin.ca/226574 |
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| [17:06:45] | Hoxzer: | Make sure that your lirc modules are loaded |
| [17:07:11] | robbins876: | alright |
| [17:07:25] | robbins876: | i'm not really sure how to do that, but i'll push some buttons... |
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| [17:07:47] | defaultro: | robbin |
| [17:07:48] | defaultro: | do this |
| [17:07:55] | defaultro: | strace /usr/bin/irw |
| [17:08:00] | defaultro: | that will tell you why |
| [17:08:03] | defaultro: | later, got to go now |
| [17:12:27] | laga: | sounds like LIRC day today. |
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| [17:12:34] | laga: | aka "a good day to die" :) |
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| [17:14:18] | robbins876: | lirc is a pain |
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| [17:15:10] | A-d: | Hi all, why does the mythtv wiki say that lirc does not support the transmitter/blasters on the mce remote. LIRC does support it since version 0.23 |
| [17:16:12] | fryfrog: | A-d: do you have it *working*? |
| [17:16:17] | fryfrog: | yourself, right now? |
| [17:16:33] | A-d: | yes it works |
| [17:16:44] | fryfrog: | A-d: then i'd suggest updating the wiki :) |
| [17:17:06] | A-d: | I'm controling my receiver with it |
| [17:17:12] | fryfrog: | nice |
| [17:17:40] | fryfrog: | sounds like an inaccuracy then, wiki should be editable by anyone with an account. Maybe you'd save someone some worries if you fixed it :) |
| [17:18:21] | A-d: | I don't have an account so i cannot fix it |
| [17:19:06] | fryfrog: | register, its no big deal :) |
| [17:20:02] | A-d: | The deal is it would be another account that I have to remember |
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| [17:20:39] | fryfrog: | Well, you've answered your own question then. The reason that the entry is inaccurate is because nobody who knows or has experience with it can be bothered to update it |
| [17:20:57] | A-d: | hehe |
| [17:23:00] | gbee: | hey Ivor |
| [17:23:21] | ivor: | how are the "battle" scars? |
| [17:24:43] | gbee: | heh, ok – the stiches etc aren't causing me much pain – my neck and shoulder on the other hand ... |
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| [17:25:39] | ivor: | anyone called you a wally yet? |
| [17:25:43] | ivor: | :) |
| [17:26:38] | gbee: | you'll be the first to use that term, but everyone (including myself) has said something similar ;) |
| [17:28:09] | ivor: | heh, ah well we've all done daft things. especially after a few. |
| [17:32:16] | Juski: | re |
| [17:32:47] | gbee: | the second day went well? |
| [17:33:00] | Juski: | not as busy as the 1st day thank god |
| [17:33:21] | Juski: | was patchy though |
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| [17:33:58] | Juski: | took a while to get going in the morning, but then so did I |
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| [17:34:09] | gbee: | read the report, pretty good summary, at least of the day I managed :) |
| [17:34:55] | Juski: | cool. I'll get it on the -users list soonish. would it be out of place to go on the -dev list aswell? |
| [17:35:52] | gbee: | nah, there are plenty of worthwhile user-feedback type stuff which I think make it an on-topic -dev post |
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| [17:36:35] | Juski: | suspected as much.. just like to be sure after a certain 'usability report' ;) |
| [17:36:44] | gbee: | ;) |
| [17:37:25] | gbee: | well I'll do my best to stick up for you if not everyone likes it there ;) |
| [17:38:25] | Juski: | cheers gbee. |
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| [17:38:49] | Juski: | I think we should maybe have more get-togethers, even if they're not at exhibitions |
| [17:38:55] | gbee: | right, well I think that's enough IRC for now – tired :) |
| [17:39:11] | brunes: | Anyone able to help me with a strange (IMO) performance problem? |
| [17:39:18] | brunes: | My mythfrontend can't play back HDTV without stuttering, even though I am using XVMC decoding. |
| [17:39:24] | brunes: | But I can play full 1080p HDTV streams from http://www.mariposahd.tv/ without a problem |
| [17:39:29] | brunes: | nd those arent even using XVMC, they're WMV files so it's totally CPU driven |
| [17:39:35] | brunes: | they max out my CPU at ~90%, but I can play them |
| [17:39:40] | brunes: | but I can't play HD via myth at all... I get a ton of "prebuffering pause" messages, one every 2 seconds |
| [17:39:49] | gbee: | Juski: that's not a bad idea, if it happens I'll try not to put myself in hospital for 2 days again :p |
| [17:39:53] | brunes: | My caputre source is raw MPEG over firewire via a motorola set top box |
| [17:40:12] | Juski: | gbee: yeah that'd be a good idea ;) |
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| [17:40:57] | Juski: | brunes: does xine or mplayer work with xvmc ? I mean is xvmc actually working? |
| [17:41:07] | brunes: | yes |
| [17:41:12] | brunes: | XVMC is working |
| [17:42:26] | brunes: | is there any way to tell if myth is using xvmc even though I have it checked off? |
| [17:42:36] | AngryElf: | has anyone had problems with lirc and kernels 2.6.17? |
| [17:42:44] | Juski: | yeah it's debug output, brunes |
| [17:43:06] | brunes: | OK let's see... |
| [17:43:40] | AngryElf: | hmm, does anyone have lirc working with a 2.6.17 kernel? :) |
| [17:43:48] | ** Juski prepares the flak shield ** | |
| [17:44:10] | Juski: | hmm, does anyone see an echo in here? :) |
| [17:44:19] | brunes: | 2006-10–28 14:49:50.665 VideoOutputXv: XVideo Adaptor Name: 'NV17 Video Texture' |
| [17:44:19] | brunes: | X Error: BadMatch (invalid parameter attributes) 8 |
| [17:44:19] | brunes: | Major opcode: 140 |
| [17:44:19] | brunes: | Minor opcode: 14 |
| [17:44:19] | brunes: | Resource id: 0x247 |
| [17:44:19] | brunes: | 2006-10–28 14:49:51.743 TV: Changing from None to WatchingLiveTV |
| [17:44:28] | brunes: | hrm that doesnt sound good |
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| [17:51:26] | brunes: | brb |
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| [18:02:55] | Juski: | ugh. openoffice doesn't save very nice html does it? |
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| [18:09:04] | Dagmar: | Better than what Word generates |
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| [18:10:51] | Juski: | oh I dunno |
| [18:11:12] | Juski: | is there really any way to avoid having to learn CSS to make nice looking webpages these days? |
| [18:12:00] | mjelva: | my remote has buttons for "movie", "music", "photos" etc. can i link these directly to the corresponding mythtv menu items? |
| [18:12:18] | Juski: | menu jump points. it's in the FM somewhere |
| [18:12:31] | psofa: | the "fine manual"? |
| [18:12:33] | psofa: | :P |
| [18:12:41] | mjelva: | not field manual? |
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| [18:20:11] | mjelva: | damn it. i can't find it. where is this stuff, Juski? |
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| [18:21:53] | hello_man: | hey guys.. I am having problem running ./configure on suse 10 for mythtv |
| [18:22:22] | hello_man: | it just exit out saying some rror and do confiure again. |
| [18:22:31] | Juski: | mjelva: I'll dig it out in a sec.. busy at the moment |
| [18:22:35] | hello_man: | myththemes alsom same thing so I think I am missing something |
| [18:22:37] | mjelva: | i'll wait then |
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| [18:22:51] | mjelva: | hello_man: paste the error to a pastebin (not in channel) |
| [18:23:05] | laga: | hello_man: yuo'l haev to proivde teh errror mesg to us |
| [18:23:15] | hello_man: | ok.. I will grab that.. |
| [18:23:28] | mjelva: | laga: lawlz english |
| [18:23:34] | hello_man: | byt for mythtemes, it says run ./configure when I am running ./configure |
| [18:23:44] | hello_man: | PROJECT ERROR : please run ./configure |
| [18:24:27] | hello_man: | do I need su privilages to build mythtv? |
| [18:24:37] | hello_man: | I don't remember if I tried under SU |
| [18:24:53] | mjelva: | yea, you do |
| [18:25:21] | hello_man: | ok thanks. |
| [18:25:23] | hello_man: | I will try that |
| [18:25:23] | mjelva: | at least i assume you do. |
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| [18:27:43] | RyeBrye: | In case anyone has the same issue in the future: You have to manually add: Option "ConnectedMonitor" "TV" to the "Screen" section of the xorg.conf file to get it to send a signal out to the TV-out in the Nvidia 9626 beta driver |
| [18:27:57] | RyeBrye: | It doesn't autodetect it properly... |
| [18:29:17] | mjelva: | that depends, RyeBrye |
| [18:29:25] | Juski: | RyeBrye: been that way for a while I think |
| [18:29:28] | mjelva: | but yes, sometimes you have to force it with "ConnectedMonitor" |
| [18:31:06] | RyeBrye: | Juski: my 8774 driver didn't need that... and earlier when I asked the channel if anyone had gotten the 9626 to work with TV-out everyone must have been asleep :P |
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| [18:36:48] | Juski: | mjelva: righty. what you need to do is set some spare keys aside & assign them to menu jump points, either with the keymap editor in mythweb or in the mythcontrols plugin. then go into your lircrc file & assign remote buttons to the keys you assigned the jump points to. AFAICT |
| [18:37:17] | Juski: | the recommended keys to use are the function keys |
| [18:37:56] | Juski: | though you might want to use shifted versions (e.g. shift-F1) etc |
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| [18:41:13] | Juski: | okay folks.. the post-expo report of MythTVTalk.com's appearance at the LinuxWorld Expo in London during the week is online |
| [18:42:16] | Juski: | you can get it from my blog http://mythtvguy.wordpress.com or http://www.mythtvtalk.com/ProjectGrayhem/lwmythtvboothreport.pdf |
| [18:45:39] | kslater: | Juski – nuv2disc: better than mytharchive? |
| [18:45:55] | laga: | no |
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| [18:47:04] | Juski: | why ask me? I'm not the resident expert. resident, yes... expert.. hmmm |
| [18:47:08] | Juski: | ;) |
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| [18:48:07] | abarbaccia: | hey Beirdo, you there? |
| [18:49:11] | Beirdo: | not really |
| [18:49:29] | laga: | yay, thank god he's absent |
| [18:49:37] | laga: | can't stand that guy |
| [18:49:43] | Beirdo: | !trout laga |
| [18:49:43] | ** MythLogBot slaps laga with a trout on behalf of Beirdo... ** | |
| [18:49:50] | laga: | ;) |
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| [18:50:08] | Beirdo: | kinda playin puzzle pirates |
| [18:50:09] | Beirdo: | :) |
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| [18:51:33] | laga: | how's gpustrans? :) |
| [18:53:35] | Juski: | oh shit. I forgot to put the 'is there a sudoku module for mythtv?' question in the report.. ;) |
| [18:55:09] | abarbaccia: | so I talked to someone at zap2it labs yesterday and he told me that they are taking away the service |
| [18:55:18] | abarbaccia: | its going to be reduced down to only 3 days worth of data |
| [18:56:10] | scopeuk: | Zider you seen the gp2x breakout board? |
| [18:56:48] | laga: | abarbaccia: why's that? |
| [18:57:10] | abarbaccia: | laga, abuse apparently |
| [18:57:21] | abarbaccia: | they were planning on doing it without any concern for the mythtv community |
| [18:57:31] | laga: | awesome. |
| [18:57:33] | abarbaccia: | they said that corporate entities were using the data in their own programs |
| [18:57:39] | abarbaccia: | well, im working trying to figure something out |
| [18:57:53] | laga: | "corporate entities" should be sued... |
| [18:58:01] | abarbaccia: | its impossible to tell |
| [18:58:07] | abarbaccia: | and very expensive to pursue |
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| [18:58:55] | abarbaccia: | so they sell their information to corporations at about $75 per account which gives lifelong service and it requires some initial deposit |
| [18:59:22] | laga: | impossible to tell? ;) they just need to compare the data |
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| [18:59:39] | abarbaccia: | well, how do they kno if its a mythtv user (which they are fine with) or a huge corp? |
| [18:59:44] | abarbaccia: | i pretty much have them decided to waive the initial deposit and see how low they will go |
| [19:00:18] | abarbaccia: | because a $50 one time investment to have legitimate data for life isn't terrible (free is def. better) but it def. beats losing mythtv's usability forever |
| [19:00:54] | laga: | abarbaccia: how do those corporations abuse their service? by replicating the data or by delivering systems to their users which are pre-configured to fetch their EPG data from zap2it? |
| [19:01:05] | abarbaccia: | laga, the 2nd |
| [19:02:04] | abarbaccia: | so his higher ups looked at the bottom line and said since were getting it for free, just cut it off |
| [19:02:29] | GreyFoxx: | But if their users require an individual zap2it account then shouldn't that be ok? Or are these preconfigured boxes ussing a single aacount ? |
| [19:03:17] | abarbaccia: | its not about individual accounts or a single account – its that they provide the data to us for free as a developer do it yourself community sorta hand out |
| [19:03:30] | abarbaccia: | people pay good money for their data and their paying customers are like – - why should we pay |
| [19:03:47] | scopeuk: | could the people buildign these boxes not just offer confgirue zap yourself = free preconfigured $50 and use thatto pay the corperate deosit |
| [19:03:49] | abarbaccia: | and then they find other big corps stealing OUR free handout data when they should be paying |
| [19:03:59] | mjelva: | Juski: did you figure out where that stuff about menu jump points is documented? |
| [19:04:30] | abarbaccia: | they dont want corporations using their data unless they are paying for it |
| [19:04:45] | abarbaccia: | bottom line is – they offered it for free, people abused it, and now they are taking it back |
| [19:04:51] | mjelva: | and therefore they just remove it completely, so private users are fucked as well? |
| [19:05:07] | abarbaccia: | im trying to work out some way that the mythtv community can still get the guide data at the smallest financial burdon |
| [19:05:12] | Captain_Murdoch: | that's the way the world works, the few ruin things for the many. |
| [19:05:14] | Kelerion: | abarbaccia: any update on your howto getting back online? have been recommending it for ages as more and more people use ubuntu |
| [19:05:19] | laga: | mjelva: abarbaccia said it'll be cut down to three days worth of data |
| [19:05:29] | mjelva: | yea, i noticed. but still. |
| [19:05:29] | laga: | how many days do you guys get now? |
| [19:05:35] | abarbaccia: | laga, 3 days of data is worthless |
| [19:05:37] | mjelva: | either way, it's not like anyone has a right to complain. |
| [19:05:37] | abarbaccia: | 14 |
| [19:05:37] | GreyFoxx: | 12 or so |
| [19:05:40] | mjelva: | it was a free service, right? |
| [19:05:46] | abarbaccia: | mjelva, yes |
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| [19:06:01] | laga: | mjelva: abarbaccia is not complaing, he's trying to find a way to keep it up and running. |
| [19:06:07] | mjelva: | i'm not saying he is, dude |
| [19:06:07] | abarbaccia: | but i feel like i do have a right to complain as i have about 3k in hardware for mythtv and almost no use |
| [19:06:18] | abarbaccia: | im just trying to keep this damn thing alive |
| [19:06:23] | Captain_Murdoch: | you have not rights when someone gives you something for free. |
| [19:06:23] | laga: | well, you could go back to website scraping :P |
| [19:06:34] | mjelva: | exactly, Captain_Murdoch |
| [19:06:40] | abarbaccia: | because we would lose a lot of north american devs because there would be little motivation |
| [19:06:49] | abarbaccia: | i understand – im just upset |
| [19:06:49] | GreyFoxx: | Personally I'dalways expected it to become a cost one day |
| [19:06:50] | mjelva: | but of course, it would be sweet to keep it running |
| [19:06:58] | abarbaccia: | GreyFoxx, thats what im trying to get |
| [19:07:05] | abarbaccia: | if we can set it up so you pay a cost to use it – thats fine |
| [19:07:21] | mjelva: | memberships, or a collective thing? |
| [19:07:22] | GreyFoxx: | I'd pay a nominal fee for it. The listings havevalue to me so I have no problem paying a reasonable fee |
| [19:07:35] | abarbaccia: | i just want it to be as little as possible. at a minimal expense to the mythtv community and an available solution when the change comes about in 30 days |
| [19:07:55] | abarbaccia: | mjelva, it would be memberships |
| [19:07:55] | Kelerion: | same here...and we are getting it free now... but if RT times turned around and said we had to... wouldn't have a problem with it |
| [19:08:08] | mjelva: | how have you managed to spend 3k on hardware for a media centre, abarbaccia? |
| [19:08:13] | mjelva: | multiple backends? |
| [19:08:23] | abarbaccia: | mjelva, lots of harddrives, and many machines... |
| [19:08:23] | Kelerion: | mjelva: it's really easy after time |
| [19:08:31] | GreyFoxx: | mjelva: Not everyone has a single machine from scrappedparts :) |
| [19:08:38] | mjelva: | i do :cool: |
| [19:08:54] | GreyFoxx: | Though I haven't quite spent 3k on all of my stuff since I did have most of it in parts |
| [19:09:03] | GreyFoxx: | cept for the pvr cards and the msntv2's |
| [19:09:16] | abarbaccia: | its not really 3k over here either – more like 1.5 but i was exaggerating to make a point |
| [19:09:17] | abarbaccia: | lol |
| [19:09:19] | mjelva: | i mean, i've spent more than 3k in parts throughout. but never on a single project. |
| [19:09:26] | Kelerion: | I've spent that easily... if you take into account the sound and tv's as well as the actual myth boxes |
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| [19:09:48] | mjelva: | sounds like someone needs to take economics 101 |
| [19:10:37] | abarbaccia: | alright – im gonna go watch my penn state boys whoop some purdue ass – ill keep every1 updated as i get more information |
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| [19:11:07] | Kelerion: | abarbaccia: a quick question? |
| [19:11:10] | abarbaccia: | yes |
| [19:11:30] | Kelerion: | would you mind if I copied your content to a static page so I have something temp available to show others? |
| [19:11:36] | Kelerion: | just until you get yours back up |
| [19:11:40] | abarbaccia: | Kelerion, i don't have any content |
| [19:11:47] | mjelva: | google cache ftw |
| [19:11:49] | Kelerion: | it's cached |
| [19:12:14] | Captain_Murdoch: | I think they should cut off companies that are making money selling Myth boxes and getting the guide data for free. part of the "value" in Myth is the guide data, so that company is making money off of zap2it's guide data. |
| [19:12:27] | m2matson: | Hello. I just installed knoppmyth..all seems bueno but screen goes black when I click "Watch TV". Any ideas? |
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| [19:13:35] | m2matson: | Captain_Murdoch: I would buy a box that worked =) |
| [19:13:43] | abarbaccia: | Captain_Murdoch, i disagree. regardless if you bought the box or made it – you're still part of the community. I think you should cut off the people that develop their own apps, claim its mythtv and use it that way |
| [19:14:05] | Captain_Murdoch: | abarbaccia: if some company is making money off of zap2it's guide data, they should be cut off. |
| [19:14:11] | mjelva: | anyone got any intel regarding a mythtv frontend for MPD? |
| [19:14:24] | mjelva: | it's in the works, isn't it? |
| [19:14:26] | abarbaccia: | Kelerion, if you can grab me the cached data from google and email it to me i will put a site up ASAP |
| [19:14:38] | Kelerion: | abarbaccia: consider it done |
| [19:14:46] | abarbaccia: | Kelerion, great – thanks! |
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| [19:15:07] | abarbaccia: | Captain_Murdoch, or their users should have to pay for the data – but neither here nor there – we'll see what comes out of it |
| [19:15:15] | Captain_Murdoch: | I can't take their guide data and sell it can I? if I were to do that, I should be cut off (and sued). I don't like freeloaders trying to make money off of something they get for free and ruining things for the rest of us. |
| [19:16:29] | Captain_Murdoch: | I'd rather give Zap2it money for the service than have a freeloading company making money off free data and ruining things for me. |
| [19:16:38] | m2matson: | Captain_Murdoch: seems okay if one were to charge to make Myth work for folks who couldn't otherwise figure it out |
| [19:16:39] | GreyFoxx: | yup |
| [19:16:45] | mjelva: | i'd say there's good and bad sides to it, Captain_Murdoch |
| [19:16:50] | mjelva: | in this case, i'd say it's a bad thing |
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| [19:17:05] | mjelva: | but if you look at the general principe (ref. BSD license, for instance), it can also be a good thing |
| [19:17:45] | mjelva: | basically, when you give something away, people should be allowed to do whatever they want with it |
| [19:18:13] | m2matson: | can someone assist me with my freshly installed Knoppmyth....trying to watch tv on my monitor....screen goes black??? |
| [19:18:14] | Captain_Murdoch: | m2matson: they're making money by selling a MythTV box as a "PVR", not a VCR. if the guide data wasn't free, they couldn't make as much money, so they're freeloading. |
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| [19:19:32] | burley-sf: | anyone know of a good data source for configuring an ATI video card for playback of HDTV and mpeg content via the dvi->component adapter |
| [19:20:20] | mjelva: | heck, doesn't the GPL also let you use open source software for commercial purposes, as long as you release the code? |
| [19:20:30] | burley-sf: | I keep being told my system isn't fast enough to handle 1080i output via myth, but its specs are significantly greater than that of whats documented in the wikis |
| [19:20:31] | laga: | mjelva: yep |
| [19:20:49] | Captain_Murdoch: | mjelva: the zap2it data isn't covered by the GPL |
| [19:20:50] | laga: | burley-sf: told by whom? |
| [19:21:02] | mjelva: | Captain_Murdoch: is it licensed? if so, what license? |
| [19:21:06] | burley-sf: | laga: myth is spewing it out when I exit the frontend and look at the scrollback |
| [19:21:23] | laga: | burley-sf: could you please pastebin that message? |
| [19:21:25] | m2matson: | Captain_Murdoch: if the buyer sees value, and is willing to pay rather than figure it out...not a moral dilema. |
| [19:21:40] | baxter_kylie: | Hi. Could someone please direct me as-to how to set up a dvico card fusion5 for dvb (qam)? I can set it up for analog vial v4l but I have no idea how to set it up for dvb? |
| [19:21:42] | burley-sf: | laga: sure, give me a minute to copy/paste to this console |
| [19:21:42] | Juski: | where possible I explained that tv guide data doesn't come for free, except in the cases where it's freely broadcast (e.g. DVB) |
| [19:21:53] | Captain_Murdoch: | m2matson: problem is they are paying the wrong people. the companies are making money off it instead of zap2it. |
| [19:22:18] | Juski: | seems a more in-depth report is needed :) |
| [19:22:40] | mjelva: | Captain_Murdoch: it's as simple as Zap2It releasing the data under a license that forbids this practice |
| [19:22:46] | mjelva: | not my fault they're tards |
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| [19:22:58] | Captain_Murdoch: | mjelva: they already prohibit it |
| [19:23:11] | Kabutor: | anyone know wich USE are needed to watch nuv mpeg4 files with mplayer? |
| [19:23:11] | mjelva: | so they have a legal case and should take it to court |
| [19:23:20] | Kabutor: | I mean in gentoo linux |
| [19:23:23] | Kabutor: | or any codec |
| [19:23:42] | Juski: | there were also folks there who said they'd be willing to pay for good quality guide data |
| [19:23:46] | Captain_Murdoch: | mjelva: much easier to just pull their feeds. :) why spend tons of money in court when you can yank the rug out from under the freeloaders. |
| [19:24:17] | m2matson: | Captain_Murdoch: Yeah, I think it's up to zap2it....my feeling is they have a business model in the works. This period of free offerings seems to be for r&d purposes. |
| [19:24:25] | Captain_Murdoch: | Juski: quite a lot of Myth users would and I think I'm safe in saying most if not all of the developers in NA would. |
| [19:24:28] | mjelva: | because legal fees are paid by the losing party |
| [19:24:36] | mjelva: | if they have a solid case, they have nothing to worry about |
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| [19:24:58] | Captain_Murdoch: | mjelva: they waste a ton of money in the process, why not turn off the data to cut losses and then sue? :) |
| [19:25:09] | mjelva: | i suppose that works too |
| [19:25:22] | mjelva: | but the problem there, at least for us, is that they probably won't turn it back on afterwards |
| [19:26:30] | Captain_Murdoch: | I know, that's why I say the few ruin things for the many. I'm not entitled to free guide data. zap2it has been doing us a favor. I'm not saying it doesn't benefit them also since we're not screen scraping, but they are doing us a favor no matter how much it helps them. |
| [19:27:45] | mjelva: | certainly |
| [19:27:51] | mjelva: | are there viable alternatives to zap2it? |
| [19:28:09] | |Torg|: | not without a bunch of parsing work |
| [19:28:12] | Juski: | do you get EPG info in HD streams? |
| [19:28:16] | |Torg|: | you could also use EIT data |
| [19:28:18] | burley-sf: | laga: http://pastebin.co.uk/4755 |
| [19:28:22] | m2matson: | Captain_Murdoch: good point. I've never heard of any of these freelance myth pushers. |
| [19:29:08] | |Torg|: | what Id like from them personally is access to the movie database |
| [19:29:13] | Juski: | maybe it's not even people selling mythtv boxes who are abusing zap2it.. anybody considered that? |
| [19:29:36] | Juski: | because the folks who _are_ selling mythtv boxes.. well, you can count them on one hand last time I looked |
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| [19:29:48] | mjelva: | is it possible to pull data from imdb for the video archive? |
| [19:30:04] | mjelva: | or some other source |
| [19:30:07] | GreyFoxx: | mjelva:IT's what we do now |
| [19:30:11] | Juski: | mjelva: it's already there... just has to be done on a file by file basis |
| [19:30:14] | GreyFoxx: | scripts pull form imdb |
| [19:30:14] | laga: | mjelva: yes. in the video manager, hit m or i and look there |
| [19:30:24] | mjelva: | will do. |
| [19:30:34] | Juski: | who knows how happy they are about that, but that's for another time |
| [19:31:00] | laga: | burley-sf: that seems to be a problem with your vga card/driver. what are you using? |
| [19:31:14] | burley-sf: | sapphire X1300 (ati) |
| [19:31:15] | laga: | Juski: they're probably even allowing it, dunno |
| [19:31:18] | mjelva: | well, they're not getting revenue from ads, so i imagine they're not thrilled |
| [19:31:21] | mjelva: | but how would they stop it? |
| [19:31:26] | burley-sf: | am using the ati driver |
| [19:31:34] | laga: | burley-sf: did you install the appropriate drivers? i believe you'll need ATI's fglrx |
| [19:31:45] | Juski: | mjelva: rearrange the layout as a first step.... |
| [19:31:52] | burley-sf: | yeah, have that loaded with effectively the stock xorg.conf file it created |
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| [19:32:00] | burley-sf: | just added a modeline for the TV |
| [19:32:27] | laga: | burley-sf: then make sure Xv(ideo) is working. the ati driver might need a special option |
| [19:32:32] | mjelva: | so. the new battlefield 2142 (which sucks, like all the other battlefields) includes ads on billboards inside the game based upon your location (based on IP address or some crap). how long until we're seeing this in movies? |
| [19:33:03] | Juski: | mjelva: when it's no longer worth watching content created by massive corporations ;) |
| [19:33:16] | |Torg|: | until movies are renderd from data structure over dumps of frames, never |
| [19:33:21] | burley-sf: | laga: I guess I'll do more research on the video card end then, am a bit new to myth outputting through a video card, trying to transition from the PVR350 |
| [19:33:43] | mjelva: | |Torg|: i imagine they'll find reasons for doing that |
| [19:33:44] | ivor: | mjelva: not long. more likely to see it happening in tv shows first. |
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| [19:34:17] | Juski: | product placement cometh :-| |
| [19:35:06] | mjelva: | http://www.retrousb.com/nintendo.html |
| [19:35:07] | mjelva: | i want this |
| [19:35:14] | mjelva: | i want it bad |
| [19:35:26] | |Torg|: | we already have advertisers scewing wiht the commercails to make it harder to distigush from actual program content. But to get them to make anything that inst static (like product placement) would mean your movie would in fact be rendered (ala your video games), right now its simply encoded static frames. To put dynaimc product placement in a movie would require a dynamic enviroment the technology simply oes not have now |
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| [19:36:06] | mjelva: | true, |Torg|. but as television becomes more interactive, they'll have the necessary technology to do that. |
| [19:37:19] | |Torg|: | what Id love is for the bcasters to screw up and put something like "commerical flags" on them so I can simply hack it off based upon that. But I cant see them doing anything stupid like that yet |
| [19:37:41] | |Torg|: | I already see then encoding sterio sound into AC3 so that I cant distgush between the frames |
| [19:37:51] | jgoo: | hey guys! psyched, I setup my hauppage PVR350, I have a 250gb drive. and now I am trying to setup a wireless SCART to SCART (Thompson) connection. It works when I route my nvidia TVOUT to my Hauppage IN, this gets wirelessly transmitted to my tv setup. //however// just nvidia out doesn't get transmitted :-( I googled, emailed their support, tried lots of times... anyone delt with this issue before? |
| [19:37:53] | |Torg|: | and simply encoded letterboxed SD tv into ATSC |
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| [19:39:20] | mjelva: | |Torg|: are there flags like that on commercial breaks? |
| [19:39:32] | |Torg|: | I wish, no there arnt |
| [19:39:37] | mjelva: | damn it |
| [19:39:42] | laga: | Juski: does the nvidia tv-out work when it's hooked up directly to a TV? |
| [19:39:50] | |Torg|: | about the only "flag" right now is AC3<->DD :P |
| [19:39:57] | |Torg|: | and that is being screwed with too |
| [19:40:01] | mjelva: | laga: does on my tv |
| [19:40:10] | jgoo: | laga: my tv is faaaar :p |
| [19:40:22] | laga: | darn, i meant jgoo, sorry. |
| [19:40:39] | laga: | jgoo: try that first. it's possible your tv-out is not configured properly |
| [19:40:50] | jgoo: | (I guessed :p) I should try that. but, I figure, since I know the xmission works... I know it is tv-out somehow |
| [19:40:52] | mjelva: | man, i am pissed. i downloaded team america, and i got the censored version. |
| [19:40:58] | mjelva: | they've cut the scat from the lovemaking scene |
| [19:41:01] | mjelva: | bastards |
| [19:41:08] | Juski: | laga: should do |
| [19:41:10] | Beirdo: | serves ya right for breakiung the law |
| [19:41:14] | mjelva: | :( |
| [19:41:17] | jgoo: | yeah... I guess hauppage understands the signal, and then converts it. When I do this method, video is delayed by 1.5 seonds behind audio |
| [19:41:25] | ivor: | jgoo: it uses a selection of methods to detect ads. |
| [19:41:36] | mjelva: | Beirdo: doesn't break the law where i'm at |
| [19:41:37] | mjelva: | <3 |
| [19:41:38] | ivor: | you can choose between them. |
| [19:41:49] | jgoo: | ivor: I would love to know, if you could point me at docs, in depth is ok |
| [19:41:59] | jgoo: | it was driving me nuts in the back of my mind, how does it work |
| [19:42:05] | Beirdo: | lucky for you |
| [19:42:15] | mjelva: | Beirdo: nah. i'd be doing it anyway. |
| [19:42:21] | jgoo: | I guessed: you mark a 'frame' that is a cut-scene between the film and the ads (that is always shown) |
| [19:42:22] | mjelva: | come off it tho. you all download movies. |
| [19:42:39] | laga: | mjelva: i don't. |
| [19:42:42] | Juski: | I don't |
| [19:42:49] | mjelva: | :( |
| [19:43:00] | jgoo: | I am about to install suse 10.1 enterprise, I hope this will give me luck with my tv out, I saw lots of options last time... |
| [19:43:11] | jgoo: | does anyone else have a Thompson wireless AV transmitter? |
| [19:43:13] | laga: | i've got mythtv. i don't care if i'm killing my brain cells with the new hollywood blockbuster or soft porn recorded after 10pm |
| [19:44:16] | jgoo: | also, is there a must-have signal booster that is known to work wonders for hauppage cards? my tv does fine with my signal (I checked my tv on it) my hauppage doesn't |
| [19:44:39] | mjelva: | laga: soft porn ftl |
| [19:45:00] | jgoo: | laga, just write an ifilm plugin for myth :p |
| [19:45:01] | laga: | mjelva: ftl? for the left-handed? |
| [19:45:07] | jgoo: | or pornotube plugin haha |
| [19:45:08] | mjelva: | that too |
| [19:45:11] | mjelva: | those degenerate fucks |
| [19:45:25] | laga: | hehe |
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| [19:46:03] | mjelva: | you see, laga. if not for online piracy, i wouldn't be watching pulp fiction right now |
| [19:46:14] | mjelva: | and as it were, i'm enjoying this film. in fact, i like it quite a bit. |
| [19:47:05] | mjelva: | do they speak english in what? |
| [19:47:28] | laga: | you could have bought the movie. i doubt it's expensive |
| [19:47:46] | mjelva: | true. if not for DC++, i would have. i consider it worth paying 15 dollars for. |
| [19:48:10] | laga: | cheapskate :P |
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| [19:48:45] | |Torg|: | aside from the pseudo arguemtns of proliferation and distribution, and from the aguments agsint what intellectual property laws ere intded for and how thye are today, DOWNLOADING MOVIES IS STILL ILLEGAL |
| [19:49:00] | jgoo: | |Torg|: I have to disagree |
| [19:49:05] | jgoo: | there is nothing illegal about downloading movies |
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| [19:49:10] | |Torg|: | and I highly doubt any politician understands technology, hell they dont understand ANYTHING well enough to make a law |
| [19:49:39] | mjelva: | there's nothing illegal about it here, as long as you don't distribute |
| [19:49:47] | jgoo: | There is a law that gives copyright holders rights against you if you copy their materials, but it is not specifically illegal, you are just putting yourself liable |
| [19:49:57] | |Torg|: | sure jgoo unless you made the movie and have rights to distribute the thing, it is illegal for you to share it online |
| [19:49:57] | jgoo: | mjelva: where is here? |
| [19:50:00] | mjelva: | norway |
| [19:50:05] | mjelva: | sweden is even more liberal |
| [19:50:09] | jgoo: | |Torg|: you said download, not share online |
| [19:50:20] | dtm: | |Torg|: isn't it just the unlicensed uploading that's illegal? ^_^ |
| [19:50:27] | dtm: | or maybe that's just in the US |
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| [19:50:51] | Juski: | anyway, it's both OT and legally questionable in most civilised countries, so don't talk about it here |
| [19:51:06] | jgoo: | yeah, I salute the pirate bay, they are 100% legitimate. I condemn bloggers who proliferate the invalid argument to try and 'legitimise' the torrent protocol. it is the same 'thing' as http |
| [19:51:06] | |Torg|: | its the actaul shaing of the IP, the movie for example, that is agaisnt US law (I live in the US so I tend to follow US law) |
| [19:51:13] | dtm: | yeah, move to Iran! woohoo |
| [19:51:17] | mcquaid: | I'm setting up my videos and it seems to work fine, but it's not generating any thumbnails |
| [19:51:30] | Juski: | it doesn't generate thumbnails |
| [19:51:35] | mcquaid: | I can't seem to find an option if there's anything to configure |
| [19:51:38] | mcquaid: | no? |
| [19:51:41] | Juski: | no |
| [19:51:43] | jgoo: | may I ask |
| [19:51:45] | mcquaid: | damn |
| [19:51:56] | jgoo: | on suse 10.1 enterprise. what is the most noddy way to get mythtv up and running? |
| [19:52:18] | mcquaid: | well, it looks like it will display thumbnails, so if I generate them another way will it display them? |
| [19:52:31] | jgoo: | I downloaded an iso for myth once, but it seemed to want to rape my machine to install this live version (or a live frontend client, which, was pointless as I had no backend) |
| [19:52:34] | Juski: | wth would anyone want to use an enterprise distro for a mythtv box? |
| [19:52:35] | laga: | well, wasn't there is script called debtakeover that installs debian onto any linux distro? |
| [19:52:43] | jgoo: | Juski: It is just a name |
| [19:52:54] | mjelva: | fact of the matter is, MPAA has fuck all to say outside the US |
| [19:53:01] | mjelva: | and over here, there's really no one that care |
| [19:53:04] | jgoo: | the enterprise distro is just a few additionals, PLUS xgl preset for you :-)))) |
| [19:53:18] | Juski: | jgoo: got news for you |
| [19:53:24] | Juski: | mythtv doesn't work with xgl |
| [19:53:25] | laga: | yeah. xgl. pointless stuff ;) |
| [19:53:35] | laga: | Juski: is this still true, actually? |
| [19:53:37] | jgoo: | Juski: you mean, it will break? |
| [19:53:50] | jgoo: | or it will not 'take advantage' :s |
| [19:53:50] | dtm: | enterprise distro with xgl? what? |
| [19:53:50] | Kelerion: | still true |
| [19:54:04] | Juski: | there's allegedly a hack to make it work with nvidia's drivers, but I dunno how you go about doing it |
| [19:54:28] | jgoo: | hold up, so if I put this test drive in, slap suse on... I may have problems if it enables xgl? *tear* this is going to be a long process. |
| [19:54:32] | Juski: | mythfrontend crashes X when you try to play a video or recording on an XGL accelerated desktop |
| [19:54:33] | Kelerion: | Juski: something thought of something...could have put Elephants Dream on as a demo too :) |
| [19:54:33] | mcquaid: | If I generate thumbnails manually or via a script is there a place to put them that mythvideo will display them? |
| [19:54:54] | Juski: | Kelerion: I'm full of after-thoughts too ;) |
| [19:54:54] | jgoo: | Juski: ah. |
| [19:55:02] | ** Kelerion chuckles ** | |
| [19:55:06] | jgoo: | I will hope that suse 10.1 can be xgl-free then |
| [19:55:12] | Juski: | mcquaid: will you just go & read the documentation about mythvideo? |
| [19:55:42] | Juski: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/MythVideo |
| [19:56:22] | Kelerion: | Juski.. couldn't keep the livetv samples btw... |
| [19:56:35] | Juski: | Kelerion: no worries |
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| [19:56:56] | jgoo: | laga: thanks for the reply on the ad skipping. the developer logo is an awesome idea, didn't think of it. |
| [19:57:07] | laga: | jgoo: what developer logo? |
| [19:57:08] | laga: | ;) |
| [19:57:09] | ** Juski wonders wtf jgoo is even doing with suse enterprise anyway ** | |
| [19:57:17] | jgoo: | s/developer/station |
| [19:57:21] | baxter_kylie: | *bounce* Can anyone point me in the right direction as to how to set up my dvico fusion card for dvb? |
| [19:57:29] | jgoo: | Juski: what are you implying? |
| [19:57:42] | Juski: | nothing |
| [19:57:50] | Juski: | just wondering... |
| [19:58:01] | jgoo: | I may be clueless with mythtv, but I'd say it takes a dim person to make a judgement based on that :p |
| [19:58:13] | m2matson: | mythfilldatabase runs fine..yet "program guide" is empty...all unknown. Help? |
| [19:58:14] | mcquaid: | Juski, I did read that, not sure if your referring me to that over the metadata stuff but I see no mention of thumbnails |
| [19:58:22] | jgoo: | well, It is just the latest version they sent me... so, I am using it... on my test drive. |
| [19:59:18] | jgoo: | Juski: it is quite a neat setup I am aiming for. I have asterisk running, with my own custom setup to forward my email to my phone etc, and put my calls onto my surround setup. now mythtv will close the loop and give me phone, tv, interwebnet in my own living room. |
| [19:59:57] | Juski: | mcquaid: right. the images you can display in mythvideo aren't thumbnails. they can either be assigned automagically when you look up IMDB metadata (poster images) or manually by the video manager |
| [20:00:15] | |Torg|: | jgoo mythtv (in a generalized) statement is ususlay not the issue. People have various issues ranging from use of linux to instalationa nd configuration of drivers, X and alsa. But to take the first part of that (use of linux) and to INTENTIALLLY overburden it (by putting on all the extra stuff distros call enterprise) is simply asking for troubble |
| [20:00:30] | Juski: | jgoo: I was only wondering... |
| [20:00:31] | jgoo: | is anyone here using nvidia TV OUT? and wirelessly? |
| [20:00:33] | mcquaid: | Juski, ok thx |
| [20:00:43] | Juski: | wireless tv out? |
| [20:00:53] | mcquaid: | auto generated thumbnails would be cool though |
| [20:00:55] | jgoo: | aah Juski, np. Yeah, just happens to be the least scratched DVD I have here :p that is why I am using it |
| [20:01:02] | mcquaid: | hope they're considering that in the future |
| [20:01:09] | jgoo: | Juski: yes wireless SCART to SCART connection (Thompson) |
| [20:01:09] | artos: | mcquaid, you may want to go search the mail-list archives. I've seen some people post scripts to do that |
| [20:01:14] | |Torg|: | yes Juski, that and does anyone have wireless power for me :P |
| [20:01:21] | mcquaid: | artos, ok I'll look that up thx |
| [20:01:25] | Juski: | mcquaid: 'they' can be you too.. that's the beauty of open source |
| [20:01:42] | jgoo: | |Torg|: see telsa, and see the splashpad they are making |
| [20:01:56] | mcquaid: | gotta learn to walk before I can run |
| [20:01:57] | |Torg|: | you mean tesla, right? |
| [20:02:01] | Juski: | wireless video senders _suck_, without exception IME |
| [20:02:24] | jgoo: | yeah, typo |
| [20:02:51] | jgoo: | Juski: I am quickly finding that to be the case. I can pickup someone elses satellite feed on channel A though. |
| [20:02:54] | |Torg|: | the pad still needs wires, and putting my harddrives ontop a magnetic coil sorta dosnt sit well with me |
| [20:03:35] | jgoo: | let's all hope this steorn infinite energy device is small and can be fitted to anything ;p |
| [20:03:43] | mcquaid: | btw, I've been using icewm as my window manager that launches mythfrontend, I can't seem to get the panel to completely disappear (leaves a little arrow indicator) |
| [20:03:58] | mcquaid: | is there a recommended minimal wm for mythfront? |
| [20:04:00] | Juski: | so use a WM that doesn't suck ;) |
| [20:04:07] | |Torg|: | technically a portable fuel cell wold work, I just dont like the fact they are disposable |
| [20:04:40] | |Torg|: | yes mcquaid, dont use a wm at all. That's my recommendation |
| [20:04:58] | ivor: | mcquaid: I think ratpoinson is quite popular |
| [20:05:10] | jgoo: | |Torg|: but, if you want to use the machine for other purposes, other than a TV server? :s |
| [20:05:22] | jgoo: | ivor: I like that wm, like emacs window system right? |
| [20:05:37] | |Torg|: | sure jgoo, its called ssh |
| [20:06:03] | jgoo: | |Torg|: I mean, you can split applications on the screen, x2, x4, and flick the caret between them, all with the keyboard |
| [20:06:43] | |Torg|: | I split applicaion from command shells, and if I need to display them put them via X to my workstaiton, any of the three Sun boxes or even my laptop |
| [20:06:43] | mcquaid: | I wasn't going to use one, but when going over the docs, it said a wm was needed for external apps like xine mplayer to go fullscreen or something to that effect |
| [20:07:22] | ivor: | it's not absolutely essential... but having a simple window manager will mean you'll get less "losing-focus" issues. |
| [20:07:31] | jgoo: | |Torg|: any suggestions for the mere mortals with only one machine? ;-) |
| [20:07:38] | Kelerion: | and now myth has an internal player so less need for them :) |
| [20:07:59] | |Torg|: | mcquaid did not say "what is the absolute wm" he said he wanted reccomendatiosn. I simply gave him mine, no wm. |
| [20:08:12] | |Torg|: | if you have only one machine, thats very easy, dont run myth |
| [20:08:20] | Dibblah: | I like evil. |
| [20:08:27] | mcquaid: | heh, well I meant one that won't give me 'losing-focus' issues and still get out of the way |
| [20:08:28] | jgoo: | |Torg|: Myth requires two machines? |
| [20:08:37] | mcquaid: | but if the internal player is up to snuff I'll use that |
| [20:08:39] | Kelerion: | Torg??? what? |
| [20:08:47] | mcquaid: | is there a listing of what the internal player supports codec wise? |
| [20:08:59] | |Torg|: | no it only requires one. *I* use two as I have dual ATSC HDTV tuners and the load to render them can be somewhat big |
| [20:09:04] | Juski: | |Torg|: we could do without that kind of opinionated misinformation in here |
| [20:09:17] | jgoo: | meh, must, start, installation, gaaah. ok brb, thanks for the talk ciao |
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| [20:09:30] | |Torg|: | what Juski, he hased for reccomendaitons I simply gave it |
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| [20:09:44] | |Torg|: | and I even prefcaed it, that it was simply my opnionon |
| [20:09:49] | Kelerion: | that read as "if you only have one pc then don't run myth"! |
| [20:09:52] | jd86: | #1016 – Can't open file: 'program.MYI' (errno: 145) << i'm getting this error when i try to look at the mythtv database in phpmyadmin |
| [20:10:02] | Juski: | that's what it read as to me aswell |
| [20:10:05] | |Torg|: | again he was asking my opionion, I did |
| [20:10:06] | jd86: | I also believe mythfilldatabase is having trouble as there is missing data for some channels |
| [20:10:44] | Kelerion: | well it's not exactly a good recommendation |
| [20:11:16] | |Torg|: | but silly me I come from an IT backgound where I distribute my computing across multiple platforms. I can understnad servere consolodation (I dont agree with it however). And if you ask my opnion I will offer it |
| [20:11:18] | Juski: | Kelerion: which model case was that on your machine? very nice :) |
| [20:11:55] | fryfrog: | mcquaid: I use fluxbox |
| [20:12:04] | Dibblah: | I used to distribute my yadda. Then I got the electricity bills ;) |
| [20:12:15] | Kelerion: | Juski: http://www.coolermaster.com/index.php?LT=engl . . . Cavalier%204 |
| [20:12:28] | fryfrog: | I don't seem to have any issues recording 2 HD streams and playing 1 back, either locally or remotly |
| [20:12:32] | Juski: | Kelerion: cheers |
| [20:12:51] | fryfrog: | I'm not sure if I've ever recorded 2x locally and 2x remotly at the same time, all 4 HD. I suspect that'd be iffy |
| [20:12:51] | artos: | fryfrog, if you don't mind me asking what cpu are you using? |
| [20:12:58] | |Torg|: | yes Dibblah, and its cooling I worry more about not really electricity (well ok it puts even a larger load on the electric bill). But I am willing to pay more for my toys, thats all |
| [20:13:12] | Kelerion: | second one I've had.. really nice case... but it has a proprietory psu..and if it goes.. bloody hard to find a replacement |
| [20:13:16] | fryfrog: | artos: My master be is a 3000+ w/ 1G ram, running a 5 drive raid5 software array |
| [20:13:24] | artos: | thanks |
| [20:13:26] | laga: | (part |
| [20:13:28] | laga: | oops |
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| [20:13:37] | artos: | trying to decide what setup I need to be able to do the 2 hd record, one playback system. :) |
| [20:13:38] | fryfrog: | artos: my slave be is a dual xeon 2.4ghz w/ 1G ram, writting to that array over gige |
| [20:13:43] | fryfrog: | artos: both are also front ends |
| [20:13:43] | |Torg|: | fryfrog do you run software raid? |
| [20:13:48] | fryfrog: | |Torg|: yes sir |
| [20:14:00] | fryfrog: | |Torg|: software, linux kernel raid specifically. no lvm though |
| [20:14:31] | fryfrog: | artos: I *would* like to throw a socket 939 3800+ X2 cpu in it |
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| [20:14:43] | Dibblah: | |Torg|: Seriously recommend Athlon X2s. 280w idle -> 130w idle, coming from a dual Xeon. |
| [20:14:43] | fryfrog: | artos: I get stuttering if I do *other* stuff while playing back HD |
| [20:14:52] | |Torg|: | fryfrog you dont find the cpu use to be too much? I am thinking of a 2TB external array but dont know if I want to spend +$400 on an enternal raid enclosuer that may or may not do raid5 well enough |
| [20:14:56] | fryfrog: | ie, unrar'ing files, extracting stuff |
| [20:15:12] | fryfrog: | |Torg|: I see my raid array using *maybe* 5% of my cpu time |
| [20:15:27] | fryfrog: | |Torg|: compared to the cost of a hardware raid controller... 5% is pretty cheap :) |
| [20:15:48] | |Torg|: | not to mention most do not have the caceh to do raid5 effectivly even if they can chksum the data fast |
| [20:15:53] | fryfrog: | |Torg|: And I do get 70–80mb/sec write speeds locally, 30mb/sec over gige |
| [20:16:16] | |Torg|: | do you do external drives too? I wonder about heat allot |
| [20:16:23] | fryfrog: | |Torg|: well, the *good* cards do. If I were getting a "hardware" raid5 card, it would be a *real* one (ie, 256mb cache or so, etc) |
| [20:16:45] | fryfrog: | |Torg|: http://fryfrog.com/reviews/chenbro-sr10769/ |
| [20:16:56] | fryfrog: | I have a case with 8 drive bays that I liked enough to write a review of :) |
| [20:17:03] | |Torg|: | yes fryfrog, I realise *good* ones do. But does the cost justfy the extra function |
| [20:17:05] | Dibblah: | |Torg|: Recent Seagate Barracudas are 8.5w each. |
| [20:17:26] | Dibblah: | That's measured, not "statistically possible". |
| [20:17:35] | |Torg|: | im more tending twrd the Hitachi 7k500's |
| [20:17:38] | fryfrog: | |Torg|: For me, I'd rather have 4x 320G drives than one $400 raid5 card |
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| [20:18:20] | |Torg|: | yes fryfrog, thats the decision point I am at right now. 5x500GB drives or a real nice raid5 card |
| [20:18:26] | fryfrog: | |Torg|: of course, i'm not running some high end 99.999% uptime server that is keeping track of all the terrorists and software pirates or anything |
| [20:18:47] | |Torg|: | but then if I do a 5x eSATA I need at least two more extern sata ports |
| [20:18:50] | fryfrog: | |Torg|: I'd go with the most cost effective drives, as many as you want :) |
| [20:18:59] | fryfrog: | why external? |
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| [20:19:05] | |Torg|: | heat |
| [20:19:13] | fryfrog: | I don't follow |
| [20:19:17] | fryfrog: | why not just get a good pc case? |
| [20:19:27] | Juski: | oooo fuck. that's not good. stupid hdd power cables! |
| [20:19:28] | dtm: | |Torg|: hardware raid is proprietary and will require another compatible card to ever read your data again if that one fails |
| [20:19:32] | fryfrog: | or would *each* drive be in its own controller? |
| [20:19:37] | dtm: | |Torg|: i daresay your cpu is far faster too |
| [20:19:39] | |Torg|: | my intenal 120Gs now are running about 120F I want to eliminate heat inside the case |
| [20:19:56] | fryfrog: | er, container not controller |
| [20:20:20] | fryfrog: | My case has a 120mm fan behind *each* set of 4 drives (holds 8) |
| [20:20:27] | |Torg|: | that and if I pop 5 of them in my case id have to max out the internal bays |
| [20:20:32] | fryfrog: | it even has a slot in front of each 4 drive set for another 80mm fan |
| [20:20:52] | Dibblah: | Hitachi is nastily hotter. |
| [20:20:53] | artos: | yeah, I have a large super-micro case that has vents+fans along the whole section of hard-drives. the drives run very cool |
| [20:20:56] | fryfrog: | each of these quad drive "bays" uses isolation mounts and seperates the drives by 4 or 5mm |
| [20:21:00] | fryfrog: | so there is nice air flow :) |
| [20:21:04] | A-d_: | go for the softraid option and buy the cheapest sata cards you can afford |
| [20:21:21] | fryfrog: | I'd go for a better case, rather than external drives |
| [20:21:26] | mjelva: | do any of you know how to set up menu jump points? |
| [20:21:29] | fryfrog: | Unless the external is cheaper? |
| [20:21:31] | |Torg|: | ys fryfrog those are really nice pictures, Im using plain ol balack and a plain ol white case |
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| [20:21:35] | Dibblah: | Agreed. If you want to go fancy, port multipliers are fun and becoming supported. |
| [20:21:52] | |Torg|: | the exteranl would also allow me to make the drives more portable |
| [20:22:08] | fryfrog: | I think my case was about $150, PSU I think was $100 or so |
| [20:22:12] | Dibblah: | ie it works just fine with one SATA adapter. |
| [20:22:21] | fryfrog: | |Torg|: where the hell are you gonna take your *mythtv* drives? :p |
| [20:22:39] | |Torg|: | well right now I ftp off the mpgs when I travel |
| [20:22:42] | jd86: | i have a backend with 2 pvr150's and a bttv card. I currently have things recoreded and then automatically scheduled to be transcoded using a profile that keeps it looking about the same quality but brings it from 2 gigs down to about 600mb for a hour video. is there any way of having it record at that bitrate/profile without having to waste cpu time to transcode that much? |
| [20:22:49] | |Torg|: | mostly to California, some Chiago, often to Miami |
| [20:23:02] | Dibblah: | http://www.bigbruin.com/reviews05/hitachi7k500/index.php?file=4 |
| [20:23:10] | Dibblah: | I'd stick with the Seagates :) |
| [20:23:17] | fryfrog: | jd86: the bttv card should be able to record right to mpeg4, but it'd use a lot of cpu time |
| [20:23:32] | fryfrog: | jd86: the pvr150s *output* mpeg2, so that is all you can get |
| [20:23:37] | |Torg|: | Dibblah you do know the Seagates are made by Hitachi, right? |
| [20:23:44] | Dibblah: | I don't care ;) |
| [20:23:53] | jd86: | fryfrog, thanks, I'll look into having the bttv card use that cpu and record right to mpeg4 |
| [20:23:56] | fryfrog: | Hitachi bought IBM? |
| [20:23:57] | Dibblah: | I just care about heat + power. |
| [20:24:05] | D-side: | fryfrog: no. |
| [20:24:10] | D-side: | ibm sold their hd business to hitachi |
| [20:24:16] | D-side: | years ago, after the deathstar fiasco |
| [20:24:17] | fryfrog: | erm, who bought IBMs hd... |
| [20:24:18] | jd86: | i think i have shows recording on the 150s if possible.. and i have transcoding only happen at night and thru morning |
| [20:24:22] | fryfrog: | oh, sorry that is what I meant |
| [20:24:22] | |Torg|: | Hitachi bought IBMs fab in California and by contract make Seagate drives |
| [20:24:31] | fryfrog: | so Hitachi makes IBMs drives *and* seagates? |
| [20:24:37] | D-side: | i didnt know hitachi made seagates though. |
| [20:24:37] | fryfrog: | well |
| [20:24:40] | Juski: | |Torg|: and how do you know this? |
| [20:24:46] | |Torg|: | the head assembliesa re made there with the drives being assembled in Mexico |
| [20:24:47] | fryfrog: | i mean, they don't *make ibm's drives* |
| [20:24:49] | fryfrog: | they own them :) |
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| [20:25:18] | |Torg|: | Im a storage architect specialzing in ITIL |
| [20:25:24] | |Torg|: | I thoguth you already new that tho |
| [20:25:56] | |Torg|: | Hitachi is one of my customers(thats the California all the damn time trip btw) |
| [20:25:57] | fryfrog: | oh shit |
| [20:26:00] | fryfrog: | ITIL? |
| [20:26:09] | Juski: | if it's the kind of stuff they'd not be comfortable having people shouting about, you'd not want to be saying stuff like that in a logged channel. if it was something they were comfortable consumers knowing, surely it'd be common knowledge... |
| [20:26:09] | fryfrog: | that umm... technology best practices thing? |
| [20:26:12] | |Torg|: | yea, I got a cute littel pin and everythign :P |
| [20:26:34] | fryfrog: | my company is big on this ITIL stuff :p |
| [20:26:46] | fryfrog: | I think I even have to read and take some test by the end of the year |
| [20:26:51] | |Torg|: | Juski its not confidential informaiton, its publicly known about Hitachi's aqusition of the IBM labs |
| [20:27:14] | fryfrog: | he was talking about hitachi / seagate |
| [20:27:19] | |Torg|: | you just have to know where to go look. Its not like im telling you HOW the fab them, there toloerance,s any overruns or any of that information |
| [20:27:20] | Juski: | yeah about hitachi buying the IBM gear sure.. but not what I've just seen said about hitachi/seagate |
| [20:27:32] | |Torg|: | the hitachi/seagate deal is also public knowledge |
| [20:27:52] | fryfrog: | I hope they don't make WD too :/ |
| [20:27:57] | |Torg|: | the fact hitachi uses seagates in there high capaitity arrays is told to just about every customer that buys them |
| [20:27:59] | Juski: | wd are shite |
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| [20:28:05] | fryfrog: | cause 2 of my 5 wd's faile din less than a year :/ |
| [20:28:51] | Dibblah: | I've had ~4 / 16 drive failures from Seagate. |
| [20:28:57] | fryfrog: | wow |
| [20:29:00] | Juski: | actually |Torg| you have a point.. they seem to be reported to be working together a lot |
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| [20:29:10] | fryfrog: | I had one seagate fail, but shhhh it might have been my fault :) |
| [20:29:37] | Juski: | well.. I mean they're announcing stuff at the same time, very similar products... |
| [20:29:59] | Dibblah: | That's OK. They already know – The drive stores maximum temperatures, G ratings,... |
| [20:30:08] | |Torg|: | its not all the seagate drives just the UW SCSI and SATA |
| [20:30:16] | J-e-f-f-A: | I'm currently partial to Maxtor... |
| [20:30:34] | Juski: | erm... you'd be amazed what HDD manufacturers keep in their own logs |
| [20:30:54] | Juski: | stuff you'll never get out of the HDD without their own utilities ... ;) |
| [20:31:06] | Juski: | even for desktop drives |
| [20:31:36] | |Torg|: | youd be surpised even what CKD hides |
| [20:32:10] | Dibblah: | BTW, anyone using 2.6.17.1–6 or so and XFS – UPGRADE AND xfs_repair ASAP ;) |
| [20:32:41] | Dibblah: | Silent directory corruption is not the most fun failure mode. |
| [20:32:46] | Juski: | CKD? |
| [20:33:03] | |Torg|: | check-key-disk |
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| [20:34:01] | |Torg|: | sorry count-key |
| [20:34:12] | |Torg|: | I tend to forget just what all those damn TLAs stand for :P |
| [20:34:25] | Dibblah: | And ETLAs. |
| [20:34:35] | Dibblah: | FAMD has to be my favorite. |
| [20:35:02] | |Torg|: | SLA/OLA anyone :P |
| [20:35:36] | |Torg|: | how about DR for yout BCP done with BCVs and DWDM |
| [20:35:38] | Juski: | acronym hell ? |
| [20:35:48] | |Torg|: | but I think were getting offtopic here a bit |
| [20:35:50] | mchou: | Dibblah: huh?? are you saying there are major xfs bugs in that version of kernel? |
| [20:36:27] | Juski: | bout time I had a meeting with Jack. Not seen him since Wednesday night |
| [20:37:00] | |Torg|: | as fryfrog can tell you ITIL is really nothing more then a common laguage. Its not like ITIL came up with something new. |
| [20:37:11] | Dibblah: | Yes. |
| [20:37:16] | mchou: | |Torg|: no, this is interesting. I didnt know seagate got their hga from hitachi |
| [20:37:41] | Dibblah: | http://oss.sgi.com/projects/xfs/faq.html#dir2 |
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| [20:38:18] | Dibblah: | The fun bit? Just hope you don't have an array bigger than ~1Tb. |
| [20:38:32] | Dibblah: | If you're not on a 64 bit platform, anyway. |
| [20:38:51] | Dibblah: | If you are, you can't successfully run xfs_repair. |
| [20:39:29] | Dibblah: | ... Since it requires more virtual memory space than is available on x86. |
| [20:40:02] | mchou: | sigh.... |
| [20:40:03] | |Torg|: | Dibblah I htink you have conviced me not to use xfs :P |
| [20:40:19] | Dibblah: | XFS is fine. |
| [20:40:31] | mchou: | umm, no, that's a kernel bug, not xfs issue |
| [20:40:49] | Dibblah: | It was an XFS issue... |
| [20:41:11] | |Torg|: | if xfs cant check bece it reuns out of memory, thats an xfs issue |
| [20:41:27] | Dibblah: | "a subtle bug was accidentally introduced into the XFS directory code "... |
| [20:41:49] | Dibblah: | |Torg|: Tried running a fsck on ext3 for large drives? |
| [20:41:52] | dtm: | :-o |
| [20:42:02] | |Torg|: | no thanks I run jfs |
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| [20:42:16] | mchou: | lol |
| [20:42:32] | mchou: | jfs is know too be even more problematic |
| [20:42:38] | |Torg|: | but then I also try not to crash my boses :P |
| [20:42:38] | mchou: | known* |
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| [20:43:08] | Dibblah: | I seem to remember 42 days for an fsck being mentioned. Could be wrong, though. |
| [20:43:17] | |Torg|: | yes mchou I have heard that, I dont have any (yet) so if it aint broke.... |
| [20:43:56] | |Torg|: | when it pisses me off Ill go get a Veritas licsned, I hink basic is now a whole whopping $85 |
| [20:44:02] | Leebier: | hey, what's teh current consensus on the best way to get set up with a cable box (IRblaster, alas no serial port on my box). I see there's devices for sale (which I'll get) but as far as actually configuring it all. Looks like most of the documentation was written for FC3 |
| [20:44:07] | mchou: | |Torg|: ppl say the same of windows until it's been infested :) |
| [20:44:44] | Dibblah: | Veritas? Ugh. |
| [20:44:56] | mchou: | what's wrong with veritas? |
| [20:45:03] | Dibblah: | Dirvish. Now that's a backup solution for REAL men. |
| [20:45:12] | mchou: | except they got acquired by symantec |
| [20:45:16] | Dibblah: | Direct rust to rust backup. |
| [20:45:22] | |Torg|: | actauly Veritas dont exist no more, its Symantec now |
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| [20:45:38] | mchou: | |Torg|: that what I just said |
| [20:45:39] | Dibblah: | Or, of course, TSM. |
| [20:45:42] | |Torg|: | and I was speaking specificaly of vxfs not netbackup |
| [20:45:59] | Dibblah: | ... But that may be a little bit overkill for a home box. |
| [20:46:16] | |Torg|: | so is a sunblade 2000 :P |
| [20:46:46] | mchou: | It's just amazing to me that Symantec swallowed up Veritas. It's liek Man bites dog |
| [20:46:49] | mchou: | like* |
| [20:47:09] | |Torg|: | no its more like large sales force has no contacts into the datacenter |
| [20:47:10] | mchou: | ok, that was a poor analogy |
| [20:47:33] | |Torg|: | Symantec bought Veritas for the market pentration into the datacenters |
| [20:47:37] | scopeuk: | what you guys dont bite dogs? |
| [20:47:55] | |Torg|: | I bit a dig ones, in Korea, cant say i liked it much |
| [20:47:59] | |Torg|: | err dog |
| [20:48:12] | scopeuk: | yeh they dont bit you again if you bit back |
| [20:48:14] | mchou: | |Torg|: oh, I understand why Symantec acquired Veritas. Just not why veritas agreed :) |
| [20:48:22] | ** scopeuk looks out window for some animal rights activists ** | |
| [20:48:50] | |Torg|: | hey scopeuk I eat bambi and thumper too, in fact im looking forward to hunting season :P |
| [20:49:23] | scopeuk: | heh not an issue for me |
| [20:49:31] | scopeuk: | i eat meat i a fuyl appreciate where it comes from |
| [20:49:42] | scopeuk: | its the circle oflife and how it has always been |
| [20:49:55] | |Torg|: | in fact venison has about 1/3 more protien and 1/3 the fat of beaf |
| [20:50:07] | scopeuk: | we are afterall just a species of animal that hapens to be carniverous |
| [20:50:22] | Dibblah: | Omniverous. |
| [20:50:24] | |Torg|: | yes, but I think were getting off topic again :P |
| [20:50:24] | mchou: | |Torg|: you havent heard about "wasting disease" in the wild? Similar to mad cow |
| [20:50:28] | Dibblah: | However it's spelt ;) |
| [20:51:09] | mchou: | |Torg|: eating wrong stuff turns your brain to jelly :) |
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| [20:51:28] | |Torg|: | yea wrong stuff, like soy and tofu :P |
| [20:52:04] | ** scopeuk realises he hasno life nas he jsut completed an assed quize at 9:30 on a satuday night ** | |
| [20:52:08] | mchou: | |Torg|: http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4586823 |
| [20:52:09] | scopeuk: | assessed* |
| [20:52:51] | mchou: | |Torg|: http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=1678545 |
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| [20:53:13] | Havelock: | Hi, my remote does not function (gray Hauppauge). lirc works fine, i can control xine. Only mythfrontend does nothing. Any ideas? |
| [20:54:02] | mchou: | |Torg|: http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=1152229 |
| [20:54:13] | Paladine: | will charging my dremel (which is 3.6V) with a 5V DC adapter kill it? |
| [20:54:22] | |Torg|: | mchou I get it, I belive you |
| [20:54:47] | mchou: | Paladine: overcharging is dangerous |
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| [20:55:14] | |Torg|: | Paladine, how many amps? maybe not, you may also severyly limit the battery life or worse make it leak or explode |
| [20:55:15] | Paladine: | thats not what I asked :p |
| [20:55:18] | mchou: | Paladine: exploding batteries will cause blindness :) |
| [20:55:39] | Paladine: | not sure on the ampage |
| [20:55:44] | mchou: | Paladine: exploded batteries by deinition are killed :) |
| [20:55:52] | mchou: | definition* |
| [20:56:46] | mchou: | cordless dremel has to be the most stupid idea |
| [20:57:00] | mchou: | I used one once and never again |
| [20:57:14] | mchou: | puny and useless |
| [20:57:15] | Paladine: | well I am trying to charge it with my black and decker cordless screwdriver charger |
| [20:57:21] | Paladine: | my screwdriver is also 3.6V |
| [20:57:46] | Paladine: | but the charger is 5V |
| [20:58:20] | mchou: | sigh... V/I=R |
| [20:58:35] | mchou: | battery is the resistor in this case |
| [20:58:52] | |Torg|: | umm isnt it V=IR :P |
| [20:58:53] | mchou: | except it varies with charge |
| [20:59:09] | scopeuk: | mchou in which case the batterry is behaving as a capacitor |
| [20:59:12] | scopeuk: | whih makes more sense |
| [20:59:20] | scopeuk: | cv=q |
| [20:59:59] | scopeuk: | v=v0*e^rc or something |
| [21:00:00] | mchou: | scopeuk: when you are charging battery, it looks like resistor :) |
| [21:00:11] | mchou: | discarging looks like capacitor :) |
| [21:00:13] | scopeuk: | it has a restance |
| [21:00:21] | mchou: | discharging* |
| [21:00:29] | Paladine: | I need to drill through some sheet steel and I only have a hammer drill |
| [21:00:36] | Paladine: | so i was gonna use my dremel |
| [21:00:43] | mchou: | lol |
| [21:00:43] | scopeuk: | Paladine can you not turn it off you normally can |
| [21:00:47] | mchou: | forget it |
| [21:01:00] | Paladine: | scope, I should be able to turn the hammer off but the switch is broke :) |
| [21:01:11] | scopeuk: | well thats silly |
| [21:01:42] | mchou: | using a dremel to drill thru steel sheet metal is like using a sewing machine to drill wood |
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| [21:01:49] | scopeuk: | its possible with a dremle but it will be very hard to get a good hole |
| [21:01:51] | Paladine: | I need to fit a 120mm fan to the side panel of my server case |
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| [21:02:02] | ** |Torg| goes to look for the sewing machine for his next wood project ** | |
| [21:02:08] | scopeuk: | mchou sowing wood is fun |
| [21:02:11] | mchou: | Paladine: use a hole saw |
| [21:02:12] | scopeuk: | jsut have to get it thin enough |
| [21:02:22] | mchou: | fast and clean |
| [21:02:30] | Paladine: | mchou, I just said, my drill is stuck in hammer mode |
| [21:02:54] | mchou: | Paladine: so? go beg borrow steal a drill |
| [21:03:03] | mchou: | or rent one |
| [21:03:05] | Paladine: | so not only would it me immensley stupid to try and use the hole saw it would be immensly dangerous |
| [21:03:08] | |Torg|: | or fix his |
| [21:03:15] | Paladine: | s/me/be |
| [21:03:33] | scopeuk: | hole saws and hamemr drills fun ;-) |
| [21:03:40] | nordle: | The epg shows nothing against tuneable channels, ie 501 = no data. But it shows channle number "bbc one" with data. I cant type bbc one into remote control, how do I sync the epg guide to the actual channels? |
| [21:03:43] | Paladine: | I should just buy myself a hand drill on ebay or something |
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| [21:04:00] | scopeuk: | cant be as bad as atching a cd to a hammer drill |
| [21:04:22] | Paladine: | variable speed drills are stupid expensive anyway |
| [21:04:24] | scopeuk: | or an angle grinder/ router |
| [21:04:36] | Paladine: | and using a regular drill to go through sheet steel is a bad idea, they are way to fast |
| [21:04:37] | scopeuk: | is it spelt the same for the material working tol |
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| [21:04:41] | scopeuk: | tool*? |
| [21:05:01] | mchou: | Paladine: huh?? |
| [21:05:20] | mchou: | ever heard of a drill press? |
| [21:05:36] | Paladine: | every heard of "I don't have money to burn"? |
| [21:05:42] | mchou: | designed to drill holes in sheet metal |
| [21:05:46] | scopeuk: | |
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| [21:06:00] | Paladine: | scope where you find that? |
| [21:06:13] | scopeuk: | was on discount table at a local hardware chain |
| [21:06:18] | Paladine: | hehe |
| [21:06:20] | mchou: | scopeuk: for a hole saw $10 drill is not going to cut it |
| [21:06:32] | scopeuk: | mchou depends what your putting it through |
| [21:06:34] | mchou: | needs way more torque |
| [21:06:49] | scopeuk: | that drill has been thugh 3/4 inch mdf wit ha hole saw |
| [21:06:51] | hello_man: | mythtv-setup: error while loading shared libraries: libmythtv-0.20.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| [21:06:52] | Paladine: | my hole saw set cost about 80 quid as it was |
| [21:06:59] | hello_man: | any idea how to get ride of the above error |
| [21:07:09] | scopeuk: | is the file actually there? |
| [21:07:25] | hello_man: | no. that file is not getting generated. |
| [21:07:25] | |Torg|: | hello_man: did you compile this, or did you install this from an archive? |
| [21:07:29] | Paladine: | the problem is all my tools are carpentry tools |
| [21:07:30] | hello_man: | I compiled it |
| [21:07:50] | hello_man: | the mythtv compile went smooth |
| [21:07:51] | |Torg|: | hello_man: did you do a "make install" in the mythtv directory of the src code? |
| [21:07:54] | scopeuk: | Paladine shame its not ti can cut that stuff with a pencil |
| [21:08:03] | hello_man: | yes I did..do the make install |
| [21:08:14] | hello_man: | it copied everything but the file libmythtv.so |
| [21:08:15] | mchou: | scopeuk: I dont know where you get that |
| [21:08:20] | Paladine: | I have metal work drill bits, just no variable speed drill |
| [21:08:21] | |Torg|: | hello_man: did you uninstall your old myth? |
| [21:08:23] | ** Paladine checks ebay ** | |
| [21:08:30] | mchou: | scopeuk: ti is the worst metal for tools |
| [21:08:36] | hello_man: | I searched the directory where it generated and looks like there is no file name libmythtv.so but libmyth.so |
| [21:08:36] | scopeuk: | mchou very thin ti can be cut in a single pass thicker stuff takes moor |
| [21:08:38] | scopeuk: | more* |
| [21:08:47] | scopeuk: | its a hemical reaction rartehr than cutting |
| [21:08:49] | hello_man: | I didn't ahve any myth install before |
| [21:08:50] | scopeuk: | chemical* |
| [21:08:53] | |Torg|: | hello_man: did you change your libaray path any? you can use ldd to chack where it thinks the libs should be |
| [21:08:57] | hello_man: | this is the first time I am isntalling from sources |
| [21:09:14] | hello_man: | yes. ldconfig has the path /usr/local/lib |
| [21:09:20] | Paladine: | I don't wanna use a holesaw anyway, I don't want to cut a hole in the panel, I just want to dril a bunch of 3mm holes |
| [21:09:21] | hello_man: | and other myth libs are there |
| [21:09:24] | hello_man: | only this one is no. |
| [21:09:39] | mchou: | scopeuk: try manchining a ti bike frame. dulls tooling. |
| [21:09:42] | hello_man: | I copied libmyth.so and renamed it in .usr.local.lib but it still complaingnt the same |
| [21:09:48] | mchou: | machining* |
| [21:09:50] | scopeuk: | mchou ti is a bastard to work properly |
| [21:10:08] | scopeuk: | only thingthat lasts is a proper carbide bit |
| [21:10:48] | |Torg|: | hello_man: where did you find libmyth.so and where did you copy it to? |
| [21:11:04] | scopeuk: | have a lovely one at home that is still sharp enough to slice your fingers running over it thats munched its way thoguh several inches of ally weld |
| [21:11:13] | mchou: | sigh...no I need to find a paint place that will spray on clear coats |
| [21:11:19] | hello_man: | I found libmyth.so in my mythtv source directory where I compiled |
| [21:11:27] | hello_man: | I coped that to /usr/local/lib |
| [21:11:44] | hello_man: | I also tried renameing that to libmythtv.so but that didn't help |
| [21:11:48] | scopeuk: | mchou whould be very suprised if you cant find anywhere to clear lacor it |
| [21:12:04] | scopeuk: | well whould in uk dont know bout else where |
| [21:12:34] | |Torg|: | well first off the srocue shoudl have never made a file called libmyth.so |
| [21:12:55] | |Torg|: | secondly it should have created your libs for you when you did a make install |
| [21:12:58] | mchou: | scopeuk: no, I just want quick and dirty job. not much prep |
| [21:13:10] | scopeuk: | fair enough |
| [21:13:21] | hello_man: | yeah, and that's why I am not sure what went worng |
| [21:13:47] | mchou: | scopeuk: clear coats over nickel plating |
| [21:14:15] | mchou: | scopeuk: some of which might be starting to rust |
| [21:14:35] | |Torg|: | hello_man: what files do you have created under mythtv/libs/libmythtv that are called libmythtv* |
| [21:14:44] | mchou: | scopeuk: it's a faux ti look |
| [21:14:55] | scopeuk: | yeh |
| [21:15:02] | scopeuk: | pretty cool |
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| [21:22:43] | Paladine: | scope, this would rock but it is 120V :/ http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/NEW-DREMEL-400-XPR-HIGH . . . cmdZViewItem |
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| [21:24:21] | |Torg|: | I know there are 240–120 converters I use when I go to the UK arnt there ones that go the other way? |
| [21:24:43] | Juski: | rm -rf / |
| [21:24:49] | dtm: | :-o |
| [21:24:49] | Paladine: | yeah there are but when they fail they take out your power tool with them (had it happen before) |
| [21:24:52] | Juski: | fuck. wrong window |
| [21:24:57] | dtm: | juski has a conversion of his own |
| [21:25:09] | dtm: | well done |
| [21:25:20] | |Torg|: | Juski you meant to do that in your console window, go on, Ill wait for ya |
| [21:26:01] | galorin: | grr, trying to set up tightvnc.. it doesn't like me. |
| [21:26:55] | Juski: | heh. didn't mean to do that in a console.. but feel like doing it |
| [21:27:20] | Paladine: | torg gimmie 70 quid for my birthday mate ;) |
| [21:27:25] | nordle: | ive manually set the xmltvid on one channel to that of the listing channel which does show epg data, but it doesnt "link", so the channel 501 still shows no data even though I've set the xmltvid correctly. |
| [21:27:44] | |Torg|: | Paladine you do know thats like $140 US :P |
| [21:27:54] | Paladine: | more like 128 bucks ;) |
| [21:28:19] | |Torg|: | close enough, that and your $8 coffee :P |
| [21:28:24] | Paladine: | there a bunch of dremel 400s on ebay for 69.99 GBP on buy now |
| [21:28:45] | Paladine: | I could do so much with a dremel |
| [21:28:58] | Paladine: | so much more convenient to use than a drill :) |
| [21:29:03] | |Torg|: | http://www.dremelstore.us/4dr400sexprr.html |
| [21:29:21] | Paladine: | thats the one |
| [21:29:36] | |Torg|: | I thgout you didnt want 110v |
| [21:29:36] | Paladine: | holy shit they are cheap in the US |
| [21:29:47] | Paladine: | yeah 120V is no good to me |
| [21:29:54] | scopeuk: | get a transformer |
| [21:30:02] | Paladine: | the rrp on the 400 in the UK is £114 GBP |
| [21:30:03] | scopeuk: | 1/2 the gear i use at my grandads is uk industrial 110 |
| [21:30:15] | Paladine: | which is like 200 bucks |
| [21:31:12] | |Torg|: | |
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| [21:31:29] | |Torg|: | hey you can even sharpen your lawn mower with it :) |
| [21:31:40] | Paladine: | if everyone in here gave me $1 for my birthday I could have a dremel by tuesday lol |
| [21:32:15] | |Torg|: | if you would make that case and market it you would have your 200 bucks |
| [21:32:51] | Paladine: | its my birthday on halloween, that should be marketing enough ;) |
| [21:33:30] | Paladine: | I am a poor student with a mortgage, wife and 10 month old son |
| [21:33:45] | Paladine: | and my college funding is uber late |
| [21:34:04] | Paladine: | otherwise I would just buy one on my cc |
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| [21:36:35] | Paladine: | I would be willing to swap the domain dvdr-core.org for a dremel 400 ;) |
| [21:36:57] | Paladine: | that domain used to get ~12 million hits a day and is the center of a 150M USD lawsuit :) |
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| [21:37:29] | Paladine: | a piece of controversial history |
| [21:38:16] | Paladine: | I am not convincing anyone to fund my dremel purchase am I? |
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| [21:39:48] | Juski: | nope |
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| [21:40:24] | D-side: | not even slightly, really. |
| [21:40:38] | Paladine: | I have other cool domains |
| [21:40:45] | Paladine: | like web-d-zine.net :) |
| [21:40:49] | dtm: | Paladine: what is a dvdr core? |
| [21:41:06] | Paladine: | dvdr-core used to be the biggest dvd torrent site in the world |
| [21:41:11] | dtm: | oic. |
| [21:41:12] | Paladine: | until the MPAA sued me |
| [21:41:38] | dtm: | i think you might want to reverse your dremel-funding tactics |
| [21:41:41] | D-side: | yeah. let me jump all over that. |
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| [21:41:49] | dtm: | like for example, offering somethign that anyone could ever possibly desire |
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| [21:41:59] | Paladine: | my body? |
| [21:42:08] | dtm: | starting with perhaps a pile of dead ants or a kick to the crotch |
| [21:42:15] | dtm: | those may be the cheapest |
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| [21:43:08] | Paladine: | I do have some cool recordable media |
| [21:43:13] | Paladine: | Commodore |
| [21:43:22] | Paladine: | as in -the- commodore |
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| [21:44:30] | banyan: | the mpaa sued you? |
| [21:44:31] | Paladine: | unopened :) |
| [21:44:37] | Paladine: | banyan, yeah |
| [21:44:42] | banyan: | what for? |
| [21:44:49] | Paladine: | for owning dvdr-core hehe |
| [21:45:04] | banyan: | which was being used for people to swap movies? |
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| [21:45:29] | Paladine: | it had a dvd bittorrent tracker yes |
| [21:45:35] | charlieS: | ugh. I have sound with mplayer (recorded shows) but myth has none. |
| [21:45:42] | Paladine: | google Alexander Hanff |
| [21:45:44] | banyan: | did you have to settle? |
| [21:45:46] | Paladine: | or dvdr-core for that matter |
| [21:45:51] | Ling: | Hi, I'm just setting up mythtv, and have a problem – mythfilldatabase has been running for somewhere over 28 hours now. Occassionally it says it's removing a conflicting program or somesuch, so I assume it is working. I assume this isn't normal? (system: 512mb ram, athlon64–3000, 5400rpm hd) |
| [21:46:09] | banyan: | not normal! |
| [21:46:15] | Paladine: | I could have settled but in doing so i would have had to hand over my staff and thelogs/database of all the users |
| [21:46:26] | Paladine: | so i told the to fsck off |
| [21:46:26] | banyan: | did they back off? |
| [21:46:32] | Paladine: | no the caseis ongoing |
| [21:46:37] | banyan: | blah... |
| [21:47:56] | Ling: | any thoughts on finding out why mythfilldatabase is so slow, or speeding it up? |
| [21:49:34] | Juski: | wheee from 80% full on /video to 40% full.. still more to go |
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| [21:52:31] | banyan: | Man. "OK, take the inkjet and the Stratocaster... but leave me the Les Paul! And the cats! O God, please don't take my kitties!" |
| [21:52:44] | banyan: | They are a ruthless bunch of bloodsuckers ain't they. |
| [21:53:36] | Paladine: | yeah |
| [21:53:59] | Paladine: | I laughed when I got a phone call from the House of Commons from my MP saying there was no way in hell I would be extradited :) |
| [21:54:24] | banyan: | we should start a movement of filmmakers, actors, etc who work for free and release their stuff on a royalty free basis via bittorrents. |
| [21:55:04] | Paladine: | the only downside is it seems impossible for me to get a job now |
| [21:55:19] | banyan: | Nobody will ever get sued for swapping knoppix isos with people, or mp3s of a band who released their stuff freely. |
| [21:55:23] | Paladine: | recruiters hit google, see the 40 000+ results and don't contact me again |
| [21:55:30] | banyan: | really? a bit of a blacklist... |
| [21:55:57] | banyan: | Is there a way to parlay this into some kind of job in and of itself I wonder. |
| [21:56:32] | scopeuk: | im just wodneringif any one will ever hire me if they get hold of my user name |
| [21:56:49] | Juski: | change it now while you still can |
| [21:56:50] | scopeuk: | hm perhaps i should have a second email address for serous corispondence |
| [21:56:58] | banyan: | Personally, I have my site set up so if I need to I can grab music off it I can, but nobody can see that it's there. |
| [21:56:59] | Juski: | a thought that's crossed my mind more than once |
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| [21:57:13] | scopeuk: | Juski i shall be using a diferent tag when i enter employment |
| [21:57:19] | scopeuk: | i may only be 19 but this tag has a logn history |
| [21:57:31] | banyan: | I hope I am not cruising for a weird lawsuit... |
| [21:57:48] | Juski: | looks like I'm gonna be waiting a long time for my flaming (yay) |
| [21:58:19] | Paladine: | anyone wanna buy naked-geek.tv? ;) |
| [21:58:20] | scopeuk: | banyan there is an internet privacy bill (inthe uk) where you can basically say on your homepage/landing page its for personal use anlyy and every oen else should fuck off and your resonably good |
| [21:58:41] | scopeuk: | Paladine thats not an image i even wanan consider |
| [21:58:53] | Paladine: | hehehe |
| [21:59:03] | Paladine: | my old company name was Naked Geek Networks :) |
| [21:59:15] | Paladine: | shouldhave seen the look on the lawyers face when Iincorporated |
| [21:59:24] | scopeuk: | lol |
| [21:59:35] | Juski: | oh dear. my mythtv is broked |
| [21:59:42] | scopeuk: | what id you do? |
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| [21:59:52] | Juski: | deleted a fuckload of recordings |
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| [22:00:09] | scopeuk: | tiem to clean the db? |
| [22:00:13] | Juski: | nope |
| [22:00:53] | Juski: | time to bring the vcr down from the attic.. not my decision either |
| [22:01:14] | Paladine: | jesus overclcokers.co.uk are damn slow authorising forum access :/ |
| [22:01:15] | ivor: | NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! |
| [22:01:19] | Juski: | apparently this 2nd time a recording didn't happen is the last straw :-| |
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| [22:01:35] | scopeuk: | mrs juski laying down the law? |
| [22:01:35] | banyan: | naked-geek.tv? |
| [22:01:41] | ivor: | drop the vcr. |
| [22:01:51] | Paladine: | banyan, one of the many domains Iown hehe |
| [22:02:02] | charlieS: | wtf? Myth is trying OSS output--that's why it isn't working. |
| [22:02:07] | banyan: | that all depends on whether the geeks are actually geeky or not... |
| [22:02:26] | Juski: | vcr's prolly banjoed by now up there anyway |
| [22:02:41] | banyan: | but I suppose you can put almost anyone on there and *somebody* will like it. |
| [22:03:44] | Juski: | I mean yeah sure do anything but make me take mythtv away.. fucking hell |
| [22:04:06] | banyan: | I'm upgrading to fc6 in the hopes that it cures a problem I'm having with a 350's decoder taking 50% of my P4–2.5GHz. |
| [22:04:30] | banyan: | Currently 1/3 of the way thru the yum upgrade. |
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| [22:04:36] | banyan: | T. D. M. |
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| [22:05:52] | Juski: | this isn't very good. I deleted a whole load of stuff I was never gonna watch in the world (in anger) and now other stuff is broken |
| [22:06:18] | ivor: | just deleted from the myth gui? |
| [22:06:23] | Juski: | yup |
| [22:07:12] | Juski: | tried checking to see if a cable channel was ok during the delete, but the box was prolly iobound deleting over 300GB & livetv croaked |
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| [22:07:44] | ivor: | probably wouldnt hurt to fsck the disk and doing a mysql check |
| [22:07:53] | Juski: | said cable channel is one which a recording had a blank screen on earlier |
| [22:08:14] | charlieS: | OMG I have sound! |
| [22:08:23] | charlieS: | "ALSA:default" is the key. |
| [22:08:38] | charlieS: | sounds like shit, though. I thought the PVR-150 was "good" :( |
| [22:09:20] | livingtm: | Im having trouble getting my plextor convertex box working with mythtv, anyone here have experience with that hardware? |
| [22:09:21] | Tim90: | Hey guys im after a dedicated mce box. |
| [22:09:39] | ivor: | mce? |
| [22:09:47] | charlieS: | wrong channel.. |
| [22:09:51] | Tim90: | i have installed mythtv,but keep getting the setup wizzard |
| [22:09:51] | charlieS: | lol |
| [22:10:01] | Paladine: | windows? |
| [22:10:03] | Tim90: | no |
| [22:10:05] | Tim90: | linux |
| [22:10:06] | Paladine: | we no need no stinking windows! |
| [22:10:11] | Paladine: | mce == windows |
| [22:10:24] | Tim90: | lol i know :-D |
| [22:10:55] | Tim90: | media center edition = MCE |
| [22:11:30] | Juski: | oh god. now mythfrontend can't talk to the database |
| [22:11:53] | Juski: | erm.. backend I mean... |
| [22:11:57] | Juski: | this isn't gooood |
| [22:12:09] | Tim90: | Any way all i want to be able to do is watch tv and listen to some radio or music,all from the same box |
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| [22:12:40] | Tim90: | Not at the same time thou :-P |
| [22:13:07] | Juski: | this is worse than not good. this is a fucking catastrophe |
| [22:13:29] | Juski: | I've deleted that amount of recordings before without any issues.. |
| [22:13:35] | Tim90: | carm down dear |
| [22:14:02] | Juski: | you've not had a perfectly working mythtv system for the last 2 years have you? |
| [22:14:12] | Seaner: | Hi all... I'm sure I've got a question to ask, but I'll read through the bot's posted help first :) |
| [22:14:20] | Tim90: | You will get it working |
| [22:14:29] | Tim90: | no i havent , |
| [22:15:04] | Juski: | I know I will at some point... but erm... let's just say there's a difference of opinion in my house about whether or not it's to stay |
| [22:15:13] | ivor: | Juski: does mysqlcheck give all clear? |
| [22:15:16] | Juski: | yup |
| [22:15:44] | Tim90: | lol Get some balls |
| [22:15:54] | Juski: | Tim90: STFU! |
| [22:16:11] | scopeuk: | lol |
| [22:16:20] | scopeuk: | now now children |
| [22:16:41] | Tim90: | Fine no help 4 u O:-) |
| [22:16:53] | Juski: | it's not very often I get this angry about stuff, and not in a logged channel |
| [22:16:54] | ivor: | Juski: but the backend cant talk to the db? |
| [22:16:54] | scopeuk: | Juski run it in paralel with the vcr for a while |
| [22:17:12] | Juski: | ivor yeah the backend is fine. I'm gonna figure it out |
| [22:17:30] | Juski: | backend is reporting that it's doing housekeeping in the logs |
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| [22:18:48] | Juski: | mysql.txt in the users homedir is fine.. |
| [22:19:07] | Juski: | hmmm... |
| [22:19:14] | Tim90: | Shes going to barry you |
| [22:19:33] | scopeuk: | Tim90 this is a rearly bad tiem to be pushing your luck |
| [22:19:47] | Tim90: | :-X |
| [22:20:00] | Juski: | frontend can see the db, just not the backend.. |
| [22:20:09] | Juski: | what the hell... |
| [22:20:23] | D-side: | doesn't sound like you're having a good day. |
| [22:20:37] | Juski: | ooo. backend is refusing connections |
| [22:20:37] | GreyFoxx: | Is the backend talking to localhost or the same IP as the frontend to reach the database ? |
| [22:20:41] | Juski: | according to mythweb |
| [22:20:43] | GreyFoxx: | doh |
| [22:20:51] | ivor: | Juski: oh right. does netstat show the backend listening on the port |
| [22:20:56] | Juski: | checking... |
| [22:21:18] | AngryElf_: | if i want to svn check out a version that is a few days old (11622) what's the svn option?? |
| [22:21:42] | Anduin: | AngryElf_: -r |
| [22:21:45] | ivor: | AngryElf_: -r |
| [22:23:05] | AngryElf_: | thanx |
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| [22:24:51] | Tim90: | Is myhtv ok for just watching tv and listening to music |
| [22:25:07] | ivor: | as opposed to? |
| [22:25:08] | BULLE: | impossible to tell |
| [22:25:17] | Juski: | mythbackend is running, just not listening... |
| [22:25:18] | BULLE: | it all depends on what you want and need and think about things |
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| [22:25:29] | AngryElf: | i'm all loggedin twice :/ |
| [22:25:39] | Juski: | hahaha mythtv-setup says the backend is running |
| [22:26:03] | Tim90: | I belive mythtv is the only Media center softwear for linux |
| [22:27:04] | Juski: | huh?! recordings are back again... |
| [22:27:04] | D-side: | scopeuk: this your cousin or something? |
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| [22:27:33] | D-side: | Juski: umount the recordings partition, and find a priest. |
| [22:27:37] | Tim90: | am i going to get any help |
| [22:27:56] | artos: | tim90, there's also freevo. |
| [22:28:14] | Juski: | I might end up switching to my ubuntu hdd which was working last time I looked, sonner than I expected |
| [22:28:39] | D-side: | i'm in the process of installing edgy as we speak. what a coincidence. :) |
| [22:28:50] | Tim90: | freevo sounds better, blah blah blah |
| [22:29:12] | Juski: | freevo is many things, including something that makes you put your pvr all in one box |
| [22:29:24] | artos: | yeah, I didn't say it was better software. :) |
| [22:29:26] | ivor: | and theres vdr |
| [22:29:41] | Juski: | time to rebootski & fsck |
| [22:29:52] | Tim90: | good night, |
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| [22:30:27] | Tim90: | Later Juski,and good luck |
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| [22:30:59] | Juski: | mythweb works again.. wtf is going on here? |
| [22:31:09] | D-side: | you're having one hell of a time tonight. |
| [22:31:21] | Juski: | and life was going so well... |
| [22:31:29] | ivor: | ooh theres always that guy that wrote a myth beater in a few lines on perl too. |
| [22:31:36] | ** Juski laughs ** | |
| [22:32:24] | ivor: | oh well, neckache and a splitting headache.. time to call it a night I think. |
| [22:32:34] | Juski: | all I need now is to get the flaming of the century on the mailing lists & I'll be ready to pack it in |
| [22:32:48] | ** scopeuk sets to work ** | |
| [22:32:51] | scopeuk: | j/k |
| [22:33:04] | Juski: | heh |
| [22:33:18] | Juski: | plenty of disk activity on the box... must be fscking |
| [22:33:22] | scopeuk: | i am wonderign why well over 1/2 the student acomodation im in is non native enlish speakers though |
| [22:33:37] | Juski: | they saw your typing? :-P |
| [22:33:54] | scopeuk: | possibly |
| [22:34:16] | GreyFoxx: | Juski: Flaming for what ? |
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| [22:34:22] | scopeuk: | we had a rousing japanease sing along in the flat oposite when i came in at 4am |
| [22:34:42] | Juski: | jesus. plugged a monitor in & I've not got any display to show me what's going on.. darent just reset it incase it IS fscking |
| [22:35:15] | GreyFoxx: | Juski: Can you ssh in ? |
| [22:35:21] | Juski: | GreyFoxx: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/233385 |
| [22:35:22] | GreyFoxx: | What's the laod ? |
| [22:35:40] | Juski: | it fscks at boot, so can't ssh AFAIK |
| [22:36:33] | GreyFoxx: | Juski: I read the PDF, Everything you put in sounded pretty reasonable to me |
| [22:36:41] | GreyFoxx: | If anyone flames you they are foolish |
| [22:36:48] | Juski: | nope. just confirmed that... won't take what.. more than half an hour to fsck a 500GB disk? |
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| [22:37:20] | minthome: | b0redb0redb0redb0red |
| [22:37:24] | Juski: | darent do anything to the box until that hdd led stops blinking for a bit |
| [22:37:39] | GreyFoxx: | I find itodd that you get nothing on the console though |
| [22:37:40] | minthome: | any suggestings to kill some time? I'm flustrated with myth |
| [22:37:43] | GreyFoxx: | no VGA out at all ? |
| [22:37:51] | GreyFoxx: | minthome: Porn |
| [22:37:55] | Juski: | GreyFoxx: the monitor wasn't plugged in when I powered it up |
| [22:38:23] | minthome: | GreyFoxx, haha, that'll just kill like 5 minutes, if even |
| [22:38:49] | Paladine: | baaaah missus giving me a hard time |
| [22:39:01] | Paladine: | she's the one who banished all the pc's to the office in the basement |
| [22:39:09] | Paladine: | then she complains I don't spend any time with her |
| [22:39:22] | minthome: | "banished"? Like with a magic wand? |
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| [22:39:36] | Paladine: | she is a tv addict |
| [22:39:39] | Juski: | did a bad thing.. hit reset... got vga |
| [22:39:41] | Paladine: | I am an internet addict |
| [22:39:48] | Paladine: | she expects me to sit up there with her watching tv |
| [22:39:52] | Paladine: | which I get no pleasure out of |
| [22:39:58] | AngryElf: | how can I enable a mouse pointer? |
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| [22:40:09] | minthome: | Paladine, i just had that conversation with someone the other day. |
| [22:40:15] | AngryElf: | right now the mouse works but i have no idea what i'm clicking on |
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| [22:40:19] | Juski: | well it sure wasn't doing an fsck before :-| |
| [22:40:27] | Juski: | X is up... |
| [22:40:34] | minthome: | Paladine, like with relationships in general.. how you get to the point where you just sit on the couch together... |
| [22:41:01] | Juski: | mythweb worky |
| [22:41:02] | robbins876: | is that a serious question? |
| [22:41:04] | GreyFoxx: | Maybe the backend was still deleting stuff? I don't know much about the gradual delete code so it could have still be "gradually"deleting some of the stuff you removed maybe ? Just a guessthough |
| [22:41:16] | scopeuk: | Paladine then what you need is a remote terminal such that you can be in the same room on the net while she watches tv |
| [22:41:17] | Paladine: | well we can't really do anything else (apart from carnal stuff) |
| [22:41:17] | Juski: | GreyFoxx: this is 0.19-fixes |
| [22:41:22] | GreyFoxx: | ahhh |
| [22:41:27] | Paladine: | sh is agoraphobic and I just hate going outside anyway |
| [22:41:41] | robbins876: | i hate outside, too |
| [22:41:41] | Paladine: | scopeuk, I used to have my laptop up there |
| [22:41:48] | Paladine: | but she made me bring it down here |
| [22:41:55] | scopeuk: | fair enough |
| [22:42:04] | minthome: | Paladine, heh, i had to look that word up |
| [22:42:06] | scopeuk: | to loud or jsust dident want it litter? |
| [22:42:25] | Paladine: | she just hates computers |
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| [22:42:54] | robbins876: | Hey, Juski. I'm having some problems with lirc in FC6. When I try to load IRW, I get this error...http://pastebin.ca/226574 |
| [22:43:13] | minthome: | Paladine, and computers hate her back. |
| [22:43:16] | minthome: | :P |
| [22:43:27] | Paladine: | she was complaining that I have been down here all day |
| [22:43:44] | Paladine: | but like I said to her, I have built andinstalled 2 systems today, thats why I have been here all day |
| [22:44:09] | Paladine: | computers is what i do |
| [22:44:14] | Paladine: | I have been a net addict since 1992 |
| [22:44:21] | Paladine: | I never even met her til 2002 |
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| [22:44:52] | Paladine: | I find the internet infinitely more stimulating than tv |
| [22:45:11] | robbins876: | I find your conversation infinitely unstimulating |
| [22:45:40] | minthome: | Paladine, and her ;) |
| [22:45:42] | ** minthome runs ** | |
| [22:45:54] | Paladine: | no I love her to bits, but this is what I do |
| [22:46:03] | Paladine: | she already changed me enough |
| [22:46:04] | minthome: | yeah, i was just kidding |
| [22:46:07] | robbins876: | does she do your laundry? |
| [22:46:13] | Paladine: | she will never change my computer habits |
| [22:46:20] | minthome: | i'm off to target to get a new mouse for my myth boxen |
| [22:46:42] | robbins876: | how old are you, paladine? |
| [22:46:49] | Paladine: | probably older than you |
| [22:46:58] | Juski: | well, myth is kind of working again |
| [22:46:58] | robbins876: | i don't doubt, but how old? |
| [22:47:04] | Paladine: | 33 on tuesday |
| [22:47:14] | ** LLyric is updating his mythbox to fc6 – anything to watch out for? ** | |
| [22:47:18] | robbins876: | I see, I'm 21, but my girl constantly gives me hell for being on the computer, too |
| [22:47:20] | ** LLyric is older than Paladine :) ** | |
| [22:47:22] | Juski: | livetv isn't working on the pvr150 card.. gonna test a manual recording |
| [22:47:36] | Juski: | robbins876: you think you've got problems? |
| [22:47:38] | Juski: | ;-) |
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| [22:48:05] | scopeuk: | well spose soem fo us have the advantage of beign abel to stay on the comptuer as long as they want without any one givign a shit |
| [22:48:11] | scopeuk: | the down side is that no one gives a shit |
| [22:48:26] | Anduin: | LLyric: You may end up with the wrong kernel (i586 instead of i686 if that is your arch) |
| [22:48:27] | LLyric: | robbins876: might want to use more logging/debugging, or run strace on it, see what file it's after |
| [22:48:30] | Paladine: | she doesn't normally give a shit, but our son is at the inlaws tonight so she is bored |
| [22:49:12] | LLyric: | Anduin: the one I'm upgrading x86_64, but I'll check the one I did yesterday |
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| [22:49:29] | LLyric: | yeah, it's i586! |
| [22:49:30] | Juski: | ooo I get to keep mythtv if I fix livingtv for 'most haunted'... great! |
| [22:49:31] | LLyric: | Fucker! |
| [22:49:50] | Paladine: | omg, juski, see that is why I hate tv |
| [22:50:03] | Paladine: | she doesn't watch most haunted but she does watch a lot of shit |
| [22:50:06] | Juski: | that is why I wanna divorce |
| [22:50:10] | Juski: | <j/k> |
| [22:50:13] | Paladine: | if she wanted to watch new Yankee Workshop with me then fine |
| [22:50:15] | Paladine: | but noooo |
| [22:50:28] | scopeuk: | ney yanke nows theres a show i havent seen in a while |
| [22:50:33] | scopeuk: | maby i should spend more time at my grandads |
| [22:50:49] | robbins876: | my girlfriend is in love with project runway and americas next top model... you want talk about stupid shit... |
| [22:51:03] | Paladine: | hehe luckily Heather isn't into any of that crap |
| [22:51:09] | ** scopeuk has been entirely without tv for 6 weeks ** | |
| [22:51:12] | Paladine: | she is more into xena, charmed and shit like that |
| [22:51:26] | scopeuk: | xena *shudder* |
| [22:51:35] | LLyric: | Anduin: why does it do that? And I can't just "rpm -U" it complains about the conflict. I guess I need another kernel, so I can boot off that... |
| [22:51:57] | Paladine: | the thing is I admit I spend too much time on my computer (if 20+ hours a day is too much) |
| [22:52:00] | Paladine: | but it is who I am |
| [22:52:17] | Anduin: | LLyric: Because no one at RH and not a single tester actually installs the test releases (except the day before, that is when the bug was opened). |
| [22:52:39] | LLyric: | Sheesh |
| [22:52:40] | Anduin: | LLyric: You can -U --force |
| [22:52:47] | LLyric: | Is that safe? |
| [22:53:07] | LLyric: | Maybe that'll fix my power management... |
| [22:53:20] | Juski: | ahhh... now we're getting somewhere |
| [22:53:27] | Anduin: | LLyric: It is in the bug report, I backed you /etc/grub.conf and just did a -e and added in a new one, copied back /etc/grub.conf |
| [22:53:29] | LLyric: | Just don't try and load any modules after I perform that update! :) |
| [22:53:42] | scopeuk: | starting to reduce stress levels Juski? |
| [22:53:49] | Juski: | my zapper script is failing because the stupid fucking PoS that I have for a cable box has crashed |
| [22:54:13] | scopeuk: | Juski ntl cable boxes are shit |
| [22:54:24] | scopeuk: | you still on a pace or you get a samsung? |
| [22:54:33] | BULLE: | LLyric: are you trying to solve the FC6 i586 kernel problem ? |
| [22:54:42] | LLyric: | BULLE: just updated to i686 kernel |
| [22:54:54] | LLyric: | What a slack bug |
| [22:54:58] | Juski: | scopeuk: ask me no questions & I will tell you no lies |
| [22:55:01] | LLyric: | no pun intended :) |
| [22:55:08] | BULLE: | LLyric: simplest thing is to first install an extra kernel, such as a PAE enabled one, then you can remove the 586 and install the 686 without using force etc |
| [22:55:14] | scopeuk: | Juski ok |
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| [22:55:21] | LLyric: | I' |
| [22:55:32] | BULLE: | LLyric: and yea, its a pretty annoying bug, it only affects certain architectures though |
| [22:55:43] | ** LLyric has a pretty generic centrino ** | |
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| [22:55:54] | LLyric: | Like most modern laptops i guess |
| [22:55:58] | LLyric: | what an embarassing bug! |
| [22:56:01] | LLyric: | I'm gonna reboot into that kernel now, see if it fixed my speedstep problems.... |
| [22:56:02] | LLyric: | brb |
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| [22:56:57] | Juski: | mplayer just crashed X though.. that was nice.. not |
| [22:57:06] | Juski: | this box is fucked |
| [22:58:56] | Juski: | wheee I rock.. el fixx0r3d |
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| [22:59:55] | scopeuk: | so you get to keep you myth box juski? |
| [22:59:57] | Paladine: | well I guess I better go watch some shiton tv with the missus before my ballsget disinherited |
| [23:00:40] | Juski_: | [Juski] has been killed ?! nooooo! |
| [23:00:59] | Juski_: | oh piss off GAIM |
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| [23:01:55] | scopeuk: | lol |
| [23:02:11] | Juski: | hmm from like total fubar to rolling forwards.. ermm... one near anneurism |
| [23:03:04] | Juski: | mythtv is like crack.. that guy earlier on just didn't get it |
| [23:04:38] | Juski: | think about it.. been fine for more or less 2 years non-stop, give or take the odd reschedule event – then I go out like some kind of travelling preacher man telling every bugger how great it is, then it fucking broke on me. that didn't feel nice |
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| [23:04:56] | EnterUserName: | hi all |
| [23:05:06] | EnterUserName: | how do you make it so the voices sync up with the video |
| [23:05:09] | scopeuk: | Juski jsut be thankfull it iddent decide to do it at an expo |
| [23:05:11] | Juski: | EnterUserName: why didn't you enter your username? |
| [23:05:11] | EnterUserName: | im having problmes with sound being out of sync |
| [23:05:16] | EnterUserName: | heheh :) |
| [23:05:28] | Juski: | EnterUserName: read the troubleshooting section of the docs |
| [23:05:31] | EnterUserName: | oh ok |
| [23:05:53] | Juski: | it explains how to get audio in sync – it's a matter of having the right mixer settings usually |
| [23:05:55] | nordle: | EnterUserName: one thing I found was NOT to have the opengl audio/video sync thing enabled |
| [23:06:27] | EnterUserName: | really/ |
| [23:06:30] | EnterUserName: | i thought some ppl said to do that |
| [23:06:35] | EnterUserName: | i didnt have my opengl sync enabled |
| [23:06:39] | Juski: | scopeuk: I think I just had what I'd call a near death experience |
| [23:06:41] | EnterUserName: | i just enabled it now.. |
| [23:06:51] | |Torg|: | Juski is telling you how to get it to synch, nordle is telling you how to NOT get it desynced, choose your path :P |
| [23:06:51] | Juski: | EnterUserName: what kind of tuner are you using? |
| [23:06:56] | EnterUserName: | PVR-150 |
| [23:07:01] | EnterUserName: | and nvidia video card |
| [23:07:08] | Juski: | ahh that thing I mentioned is of no use then |
| [23:07:24] | EnterUserName: | what the trouble shootingd ocument |
| [23:07:28] | Juski: | yup |
| [23:07:30] | EnterUserName: | darn |
| [23:07:31] | EnterUserName: | :) |
| [23:07:34] | EnterUserName: | i was jut about to read it :) |
| [23:07:36] | nordle: | I did that and it made the video play about 3fps slower, making it look really odd, so turned it off and all was well again, just thought id mention it as it took me ages to figure it out.....doesnt affect you though by looks of it. |
| [23:08:09] | Juski: | weird.. must only be a playback issue though, since the audio can't be recorded out of sync with the video on a pvr150 |
| [23:08:09] | EnterUserName: | Nordle: i saw somethign about enabling opengl |
| [23:08:24] | EnterUserName: | anyway let me look into it |
| [23:08:40] | Juski: | how bout if you press pause momentarily then resume playback ? |
| [23:08:54] | nordle: | OpenGL is fine for me, its just the opengl SYNC option that made it sloooooow. |
| [23:09:01] | Juski: | I've heard of some motherboards having seriously out of kilter RTC chips |
| [23:09:17] | Juski: | that can fairly screw up playback too ^^ |
| [23:09:20] | |Torg|: | yea Juski just about every Sun one :P |
| [23:09:44] | Juski: | reminder scopeuk .. clocks go erm.. screwed up tonight |
| [23:10:00] | |Torg|: | ntp is your friend |
| [23:10:16] | scopeuk: | Juski cheres although i think i now only have one clock that needs doign manually |
| [23:10:17] | Juski: | yeah that's why I use it |
| [23:10:18] | scopeuk: | maby 2 |
| [23:10:36] | scopeuk: | yeh pc phone pda mp3 player and cammera all sort themsefs |
| [23:10:39] | Juski: | $deity my nerves are shot to hell. I need a drink again |
| [23:10:58] | scopeuk: | id recomend80mg caffine but i dont know if thats the best idea |
| [23:12:08] | Juski: | you know there was one guy I spoke to at the expo who was kind of accusing Kelerion's box of not playing back very smoothly, and he wasn't swallowing my explanation about needing to deinterlace when you're using a progressive display |
| [23:12:19] | nordle: | Well, Ive spent a couple of hours, and now I have a bash script which runs 65 SQL statements to get the correct xmltvid's against my stored channels, bit of a pain but its done now :) Just wish xmltv updates would complete 1/1 not 1/25 each time its gets 2–5% more completed then loses connection. which is crappy because mythfilldatabase continues on to delete out old data, which means no epg data at all. Is there a way to test if xmltv actually |
| [23:12:32] | Juski: | the one negative comment & it's stuck in my mind |
| [23:13:03] | scopeuk: | dont let it eat at you Juski |
| [23:13:04] | Juski: | nordle: yeah... just run the grabber on its own & output it to a file |
| [23:13:37] | Juski: | scopeuk: heh naw it's nothing like that |
| [23:14:36] | robbins876: | My program guide seems correct, but I dont' have any channel names... what's the mythfilldatabase command thing that downloads the channel names? |
| [23:14:46] | nordle: | Juski: I have been doing that, thats why I know it takes about 30 attempts over 2 hours to get a 100% complete. But its a real manual process, I'd like to cron it. Are there any xmltv switches I could use, or somehow pass the % completion figure to a txt file and test it via bash script etc? |
| [23:17:21] | Juski: | nordle: here's why... your grabber is prolly a page scraper, the ugliest way to get data of all |
| [23:17:42] | nordle: | xmltv_rt_uk |
| [23:17:47] | Juski: | whoah |
| [23:17:53] | Juski: | it's not a page scraper then |
| [23:17:57] | banyan: | I'm 2/3 of the way to fc6. snorrre. |
| [23:18:15] | Juski: | I have over 150 channels to grab & it doesn't even take 10 mins |
| [23:18:22] | Juski: | and I use uk_rt |
| [23:18:39] | banyan: | likewise with the north america version. |
| [23:18:46] | nordle: | Juski: what times do you run it? Maybe it was peak time. |
| [23:18:59] | Juski: | nordle just about any time I run it it's fine |
| [23:19:17] | Juski: | Last mythfilldatabase run started on 2006-10–28 06:03 and ended on 2006-10–28 06:07. Successful. |
| [23:20:23] | nordle: | mmm, well I dont get it, my connection is always on, im on bf2 for hours without a drop in connection....oh well..... mmm yeah, thats what my mythtv mysql log sais too, but its not successfull in reality as the epg data is not updated. |
| [23:21:04] | Juski: | nordle: try tv_grab_uk_rt |
| [23:21:18] | Juski: | rather than mythfilldatabase.. see what it outputs |
| [23:21:40] | Juski: | I'm going to bed now so if nobody else can help try again here tomorrow |
| [23:21:47] | Juski: | g'night all |
| [23:22:03] | nordle: | I do use that, thanks anyway, night :) |
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| [23:27:23] | banyan: | Yeah, isn't it 12:27 in the UK? |
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| [23:33:40] | banyan: | I kind of dislike how yum will latch onto a server with a fairly bad ping and keep using it instead of something local. |
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| [23:42:57] | banyan: | Can somebody refresh me on how to suid root the mythfrontend app? |
| [23:43:16] | banyan: | I thought you just had to do the chmod +s /usr/bin/mythfrontend. |
| [23:43:46] | charlieS: | chmod 4577 `which mythfrontend`; chown root `which mythfrontend` |
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| [23:43:57] | charlieS: | er, 4755 :) |
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| [23:45:31] | banyan: | that's u+s right? |
| [23:45:49] | charlieS: | yea |
| [23:45:57] | banyan: | I just did +s. |
| [23:47:59] | banyan: | hmm, doesn't seem to have made a diff. |
| [23:48:51] | banyan: | My playback takes about 50% on a p4 2.5 GHz processor. that's wroooonng.. |
| [23:49:32] | banyan: | thru a pvr-350 decoder. |
| [23:52:03] | charlieS: | XvMC enabled? |
| [23:52:44] | banyan: | XvMC? whazzat? |
| [23:53:02] | banyan: | this is playing back on the tv thru my pvr-350, not on the monitor... |
| [23:53:34] | charlieS: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/XvMC |
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| [23:57:06] | banyan: | Yeah, I don't think this applies because the 350 card does its own hardware decoding. |
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