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Friday, October 27th, 2006, 00:00 UTC

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stuarta:

Kelerion: wife been re-united with the TV?

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Kelerion:

not yet...but got it up on the wall at least so will sort it out tomorrow

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Kelerion:

gotta wire the thing back up and restore the db... but thats all..so shouldn't be too big a deal

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stuarta:

i'm playing with lirc. it's not being friendly....

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Kelerion:

what you having problems with? the modules?

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stuarta:

i'm not even sure if I need modules, since my support comes from the dvb drivers....

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stuarta:

but i've build em anyway.

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stuarta:

previously irw was causing lots of crap input to x.

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Kelerion:

which dvb card is it?

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stuarta:

kworld

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Kelerion:

both of them?

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stuarta:

nope.

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Kelerion:

the one with the remote?

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stuarta:

that's the kworld

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** Kelerion nods **

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Kelerion:

am sure you still need the modules though

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stuarta:

think i'll play some more tomorrow

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Kelerion:

you take my advice and follow: www.abarbaccia.com ?

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stuarta:

tried. it's disappeared.

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Kelerion:

http://209.85.135.104/search?q=cache:XKjpTu9A . . . lnk&cd=1

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lostinmyth:

stuarta: do those kworlds work with mythtv?

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stuarta:

of course

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Kelerion:

well he uses them so am guessing so :)

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lostinmyth:

do they have an HD version?

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stuarta:

NFI

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Kelerion:

dvb *is* HD

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Kelerion:

kinda

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lostinmyth:

i have an ati HDTV wonder, and am swearing that i bought it

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stuarta:

i'm recording the HD test muxes with that card...

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kormoc:

%s/is/can be/g

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minthome:

hi all

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Kelerion:

ahh ok...well mine is so presume all is.. lol

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Kelerion:

not that I actually use it.. lol

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Kelerion:

presumed... :)

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minthome:

since your talking about HD... how can i go about deleteing channels from myth?

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Kelerion:

mintee, mythtv-setup channel editor

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minthome:

when i do a QAM-256 scan with my HD card it finds like 200+ stations

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minthome:

only 12 of them are valid

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lostinmyth:

any suggestions for a good priced HD tuner that works with myth, that can tune to the 200 range with QAM 256?

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minthome:

Kelerion, i tried that, but only found that i could delete 0 or all of them ;)

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stuarta:

minthome: just mark them as hidden if you don't want them

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minthome:

lostinmyth get a hdhomerun and come back and tell me what you think

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kormoc:

or you could just delete them out of the db

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minthome:

stuarta, how do i go about's that?

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minthome:

kormoc, yeah, that's probally what i'll do ;)

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Kelerion:

thats what I do... but I think mythfilldb puts them back

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stuarta:

there's a checkbox for "visible"

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minthome:

oh, i didn't see that

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Kelerion:

so need to remove them from from your config too

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Kelerion:

that right? or is my brain scrambled tonight? lol

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minthome:

are you using HD with myth?

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minthome:

you = anyone

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minthome:

lostinmyth, i'd wing you away from buying one of the pcHDTV cards, as that's what i have, and it's being a major PITA

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lostinmyth:

that looked like a good card minthome

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minthome:

lostinmyth, what?

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Kelerion:

I thought lots of people used it quite happily

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lostinmyth:

is that not the one that is "ment" for mythtv

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Kelerion:

*meant* for linux

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minthome:

lostinmyth, yeah

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minthome:

haha

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minthome:

read the forums

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minthome:

they suck

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minthome:

i have the 5500

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minthome:

and it sucks

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Kelerion:

whats wrong with it?

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minthome:

if you read thru the support forums, many people are returning them, or selling them flat out

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minthome:

the SD decoder sucks really bad, when it decides to work

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Kelerion:

am not gonna read the forums when I don't have the thing... I read enough as it is...thats why I'm asking you

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lostinmyth:

well with the ati wonder, u can only use the HD tuner, and it is only for OTA

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kormoc:

the SD on them is a standard bttv card, so it's rather sucky

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lostinmyth:

i want to use qam-256 to get the unencrypted cable feed

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Kelerion:

ahh ok.. well thats the kinda answer I was looking for, kormoc :)

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bazz:

anyone know if there's a lircrc file that matches the logitech/ast lircd.conf file from lirc-0.8?

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minthome:

1 sec, on phone

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lostinmyth:

i'm pretty happy using a pvr150 for SD

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Kelerion:

bazz, well it's listed on lirc page

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lostinmyth:

btw has myth 0.20 "archive files" replaced mythburn

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Kelerion:

bazz, under: logitech/lircd.conf.logitech

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Kelerion:

lostinmyth, kinda yup

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bazz:

Kelerion: yeah, but i mean, a myth lircrc config file to go with that lircd.conf?

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Kelerion:

ah

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B5Duster:

Hi everyone!

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minthome:

Kelerion, well, i'm just saying that I wish that I had freaking read the forums before i forked out the $129

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B5Duster:

Has anyone had any luck getting an X10 Mouseremote working with myth?

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netw1z:

anyone know how I can get the up and down buttons to repeat faster in .lircrc?

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minthome:

it's a damn pita. just quirky in general. sometimes it'll find channels when i do a scan, sometimes it won't

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minthome:

it can't figure out how to get SD and HD working at the same time, rendering me to buy a pvr150 card just for the SD

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Kelerion:

bazz, can't see one... but irrecord makes it simple

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Kelerion:

forget that

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Kelerion:

brain isnt working right

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Kelerion:

but it ain't rocket science

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bazz:

Kelerion: how do i use irrecord?

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Kelerion:

bazz... don't... thats for lircd.conf

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Kelerion:

hence the "forget that"

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bazz:

ahh

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Kelerion:

stuarta, you were right... lirc is the biggest asked question... :)

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bazz:

i mean, i understand the format, i guess i'll just have to make one myself :)

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stuarta:

:)

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Kelerion:

bazz, yup... it's easy if not a bit time consuming... but at least you only have to do it once :)

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B5Duster:

What's so wrong with irrecord? It's handy if your remote is weird and nonstandard..

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Kelerion:

I didn't say anything was wrong with it

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Kelerion:

but he's not looking for a lircd.conf

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B5Duster:

ohh gotchya :(

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Kelerion:

bazz...and post it someone where for others with the same remote :)

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Kelerion:

someone=some

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bazz:

okay, here's the weird thing, mythfrontend doesn't even seem to be looking at lircrc or trying to connect to my lircd..

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reeddler:

man either i'm dumb or this transcoding groups part of the setup is confusing

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bazz:

how can i tell if it's trying to talk to lirc?

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Kelerion:

it's in ~.mythtv/.lircrc or something...

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** Kelerion grumbles at himself **

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Kelerion:

~/.mythtv/lircrc

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Kelerion:

just link it to your normal one

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bazz:

yeah, i have that file, but i don't think mythfrontend is using it (and neither does fuser)

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cschneid:

how do I determine the version of mythtv I'm running? I have an ancient version, but want to check...

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bazz:

when mythfrontend starts it prints nothing about lirc

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riddlebox:

Juski, ok now I have done a total reinstall of ubuntu with a different username installed all packages, now how do I run mythtv-setup? when I try to login as mythtv, I do not know the password?

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Kelerion:

Juski, gone to bed i think

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minthome:

Kelerion, oh and pcHDTV is based around Fedora... the drivers are closed

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riddlebox:

dang

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Kelerion:

really? well bah

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minthome:

exactully

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minthome:

now you understand why i say don't get it...

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minthome:

last think i wanna be running is goddamn fedora

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Kelerion:

riddlebox, you use the users passwd.. but if you want to change root type: sudo passwd root

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minthome:

http://www.pchdtv.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1608 a short thread on the subject

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Kelerion:

when I get *any* time at all... honest

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bazz:

anyone know why mythfrontend wouldn't be looking to connect to lircd?

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Kelerion:

cschneid: mythbackend --version

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Kelerion:

bazz, do you know for a *fact* it isn't?

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Kelerion:

other than "it ain't working" I mean

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bazz:

Kelerion: let's put it this way, i see no clients connecting to my lircd and muthfrontend prints out *nothing* about lirc

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bazz:

Kelerion: I can do some other tests if there are any

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Kelerion:

does irw work?

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bazz:

yes

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Kelerion:

and definately have the file in ~/.mythtv/lircrc (look at dots and stuff)

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bazz:

Kelerion: yep

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Kelerion:

post that file to pastebin

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bazz:

Kelerion: well, it's just a haupauge version i found that i'm sure is wrong for my remote, but i thought i would see some log messages from mythfrontend about connecting to lirc

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Kelerion:

just post it

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bazz:

okay

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** Kelerion grumbles about not having a running myth box to reference.. lol **

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Kelerion:

GreyFoxx, whats cool is that even though I was there showing others... I also learnt a lot too by having stuarta there... for example had never tried the time shift thing

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bazz:

Kelerion: thanks for the help btw while i'm waiting for pastebin

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** Kelerion nods to bazz **

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Kelerion:

which still seems a bit weird to me but I *have* to try it.. .lol

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Kelerion:

not time shift... the speed recordings things up thing.. lol

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Kelerion:

told ya my brain was scrambled..

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bazz:

wow, pastebin is *slow*

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bazz:

Kelerion: http://pastebin.com/814025

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stuarta:

timestretch :)

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Kelerion:

yeah... that one...just had to look it up.. lol

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stuarta:

bedtime....

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Kelerion:

kk :)

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Kelerion:

g'night

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bazz:

hrm, should they be prog = mythtv or prog = irxevent?

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Kelerion:

depends how it's setup... but normally mythtv

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bazz:

okay

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Kelerion:

and those *absolutely* match the entries in lircd.conf?

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Kelerion:

whenever I'm debugging something like this I cut lircrc to just one button and test it

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Kelerion:

usually the Down button as it's easy to see

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bazz:

Kelerion: yeah, that's my next step, but they probably don't match what's in lircd.conf, i just was wondering why i see no new clients on the lirc daemon when mythfrontend starts up

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Kelerion:

but it looks like something in there *should* work

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Kelerion:

bazz... run out of ideas

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Kelerion:

myth has lirc libs in it by default now... so *should* be included

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bazz:

Kelerion: hrm... so what is the config = [blah] for down?

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Kelerion:

?? I don't see a "blah" in that pastebin

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Kelerion:

oh

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bazz:

for the one button test

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Kelerion:

"Down"

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bazz:

thanks

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Kelerion:

no quotes

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bazz:

nod

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bazz:

doesn't work... sigh

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Kelerion:

distro?

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bazz:

ubuntu

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bazz:

but i'm building mythtv from source

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Kelerion:

hmmm... I redid my ubuntu 2 nights ago

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Kelerion:

me too

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Kelerion:

I did remove the udev rules for lirc

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bazz:

when i ./configure i see lirc support: yes

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Kelerion:

mv udev rules outta the way...restart lirc..and try again

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bazz:

how do i move the udev rules outta the way? i'm new to ubuntu

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Kelerion:

it's in /etc/udev

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bazz:

should i just move /etc/udev totally out of the way and rebuild?

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Kelerion:

mv it to your home dir... restart lirc

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bazz:

cd

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bazz:

okay

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Kelerion:

actually...reboot...will be safer

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Kelerion:

unless you know what your doing with modules

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bazz:

well, restarting lirc didn't help

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bazz:

but i'm not even using kernel modules

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bazz:

my remote doesn't need them

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Kelerion:

it's a HID remote?

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bazz:

ast serial

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bazz:

the lirc ./configure told me i didn't need a kernel module for it and irw seems to work fine

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bazz:

i'm working on the possibility now that i built mythtv without lirc support, then reconfigured with lirc support but didn't make clean, so i'm rebuilding the world to see if that helps

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Kelerion:

well reboot anyways

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bazz:

i'll try the reboot after my mythtv build finishes

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Kelerion:

kk

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bazz:

because i know i built without lirc support first, but i also reconfigured with it and rebuilt/installed, but maybe a make clean is needed too

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Kelerion:

why did you build wiithout lirc?

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bazz:

because i didn't have lirc working at first but i wanted to get myth up and going :)

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Kelerion:

so you actively disabled it?

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Kelerion:

in ./configure?

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bazz:

no, but i remember ./configure telling me that it was building without lirc support

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bazz:

i think because it couldn't find the libs

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minthome:

omg, brilliant read on HDTVlinux http://www.penlug.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DigitalTelevision

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bazz:

is there a list of all the possible values for a config = [something] line somewhere (and what they do)

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B5Duster:

Here's a quick and easy one – during my halloween party tomorrow night I want to have music playing through mythmusic at the same time as I record battlestar galactica for later on – this is possible, right?

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B5Duster:

I've never done it before :)

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Kelerion:

B5Duster, yes

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minthome:

i wouldn't see why not B5Duster

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B5Duster:

sweet

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minthome:

it records on the backend

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Kelerion:

and plays music on the frontend

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** minthome throws a pillow at Kelerion. **

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minthome:

i thought you were going to bed

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B5Duster:

I know with 1 encoder I can't record while watching other shows so I just wanted to make sure I could use other modules at the same time

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Kelerion:

says who?

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Kelerion:

I didn't say that.. lol

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minthome:

oh, someone did

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minthome:

lol

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B5Duster:

well – same machine is frontend and backend

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Kelerion:

B5Duster, what capture card?

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B5Duster:

but it should be able to handle mp3 decoding and mpeg encoding

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B5Duster:

pvr250 mce

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minthome:

ok Kelerion, i'm crazy... sorry about that :D

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Kelerion:

B5Duster, will work... it's getting it's input on the line in on the 250... but your using your sound card to play mp3

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B5Duster:

righteousness

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Kelerion:

minthome, no problem :)

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** Kelerion lobs the pillow back **

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Kelerion:

but it *is* gone 2am...so am gonna head off to bed now anyways :)

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Kelerion:

so g'night all :)

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fryfrog:

oops, i asked if anyone used mupen64 then left :/

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fryfrog:

so does... anyone use mupen64?

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minthome:

heh

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minthome:

crazyman

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minthome:

i'm scanning with pchdtvr... it's neat

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netw1z:

i wnna use mupen64 :)

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netw1z:

i just installed odessey 2 emu

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fryfrog:

I got it working, but I can't figure out how to use a joystick / xbox pad with it :/

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fryfrog:

is that for n64?

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pyrotech:

does anyone know where to buy an ir receiver that works with lirc?

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netw1z:

maybe you need a command line argument to point to ur joystick

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fryfrog:

i can't find an arg that does it

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fryfrog:

and when i go into the gui version, it lists the xbox pad

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fryfrog:

i can click on parts of the ui and then it says "push a button to use for this key"

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minthome:

wft! ... no sign of life.

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fryfrog:

and it registers the key press...

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fryfrog:

but even *just* using mupen64, games still think there is no controller hooked up :/

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grndslm_:

pyrotech, maybe you should look into buying a cheap IR keyboard and universal remote that are compatible...i've heard that it saves quite a few headaches

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netw1z:

check what devices its looking for with debug or verbose mode

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fryfrog:

pyrotech: did you check the lirc site? They have directions for building a serial port ir, costs like $10 to make one

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fryfrog:

pyrotech: and they also have a link or two to where you can buy one

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fryfrog:

pyrotech: maybe try searching ebay for "serial ir lirc" or something

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pyrotech:

cool, thanks

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CBiLL:

Howdy folks

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CBiLL:

got a question for those that use micro atx boards .. Since it only got 2 PCI standard slots .. are you able to fit 2 different tuners in each PCI slot?

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fryfrog:

i don't have a micro atx board, but if the tuners confirm to pci specs you should be able to

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fryfrog:

and the case isn't a half height or something

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CBiLL:

wasn't sure if that coax input metal box would be too thick

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CBiLL:

to have 2 next to each other

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fryfrog:

i have 2x air2pc cards right next to eachother

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CBiLL:

cool

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fryfrog:

and I used to have 4x pvr250's right next to eachother

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CBiLL:

that good to hear

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fryfrog:

I did put a cut static bag between them because it *looked* like they might be close enough to touch and ground

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fryfrog:

on the pvr250s that is

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CBiLL:

well I heard back from the gigabyte folks and those spdif in and out adapter isn't avaiable until late nov so I might just get a board with spdif out only

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CBiLL:

that a good idea Ill do the same if it look so close

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fryfrog:

that sucks, on the optical in/out :(

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fryfrog:

though, it is kind of funny that your sound would end up being "HD" and your video wouldn't :)

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CBiLL:

yah but I still can get it and just get the out adapter and mofitied the pin on it

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CBiLL:

I know

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CBiLL:

I would probably just use the analog L/R on the sat box .. there very few shows that does 5.1 anyway

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CBiLL:

so I am not real worry about it anymore

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CBiLL:

since soon when HDTV become commonplace .. those thing will die out

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CBiLL:

and I am sure the sound will go thur the hdmi plug

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fryfrog:

ah

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fryfrog:

i wonder if any of the boards with *one* spdif out port can reverse it and use it as an input?

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fryfrog:

or do you also want an optical out?

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CBiLL:

and some company is going to come out with a card one day that does video and sound both in hdmi out plug

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CBiLL:

well I blew my coax on my A/V and only optical is working

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CBiLL:

so I would want both

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CBiLL:

in case I blew one or the other *chuckle*

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lostinmyth:

opps i deleted mythweb

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fryfrog:

hehe

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fryfrog:

how do you blow the coax spdif port?

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lostinmyth:

ok, what is the best way to get it back

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fryfrog:

reinstall it?

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lostinmyth:

um i used yum install myth-suite

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CBiLL:

no idea .. just one evening watching a movie and next thing I knew a puff of smoke rose out of my A/V box and my 5.1 sound went out

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CBiLL:

so I switch to optical and I could get my 5.1 back again

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CBiLL:

but the coax wouldn't work for me anymore

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fryfrog:

oh, yuck

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fryfrog:

try "yum install mythweb" maybe?

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mcquaid:

hello, I noticed in setting up a recording profile, there doesn't seem to be an option to record in mono

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mcquaid:

since my card is mono only, I'd rather just grab mono and save space where I can

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fryfrog:

mcquaid: you are probably talking like 10mb on a 2G file

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fryfrog:

maybe 20mb

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CBiLL:

here the motherboard I narrow down to choose from so far .. asus p5b-vm gigabyte ga-965gm-s2 intel dg965ot msi g965mdh msi q965mdo msi p4m890m-il

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fryfrog:

and the mp3 codec *should* realize that both streams are the same (or one is silence) and not spend much encoding it

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fryfrog:

assuming it uses vbr and not cbr/abr

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fryfrog:

i dunno if it does that or not :)

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lostinmyth:

yum install says it is already installed. i need to figure out how to force it

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CBiLL:

so right now I am trying to find reviews for all those board to read tonight before I make a final decision

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CBiLL:

-force install

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CBiLL:

I tihnk

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CBiLL:

think if I recalled correctly

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lostinmyth:

thx

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lostinmyth:

does not seem to have a force

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mcquaid:

fryfrog, well the default 32000 sounds a little tinny, I thought of going up to 48000 and then using mono which in affect would half the file

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lostinmyth:

and i cannot remove it because it wants to remove the full myth suite

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CBiLLL:

doh

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CBiLLL:

got disconnected =P

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lostinmyth:

i'm curious if any1 runs an ati hdtv wonder

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mcquaid:

when watching live tv, when up/down arrow and see the descriptions of whats on other channels, in the top left of that popup it just shows 'adding cha'

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mcquaid:

I assume adding channel. It shows the description fine. When setting up, I chose sort by numbers and not names of channels

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mcquaid:

I don't know if that had anything to do with it

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mcquaid:

is there a guide on setting up an ati remote not using lirc? I have the ati module already loaded

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pigeon:

can you select which capture card to use for a particular recording?

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GreyFoxx:

pigeon: I don't think so

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pigeon:

hmm ok, too bad.

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mcquaid:

anyone made a good xmodmap file for ati and mythtv?

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GreyFoxx:

mcquaid: I edited the source on my custom ati_remote for mapping the buttons :)

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reeddler:

what type of stream is coming through firewire? mpeg2? or raw data which is still encoded by mythbox using software encoder?

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GreyFoxx:

mpeg2 normally

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hpAuto:

anyone know why my pvr card won't tune to the right channel sometimes

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lostinmyth:

after setting up an ati remote do u think a reboot may fix it so i get something coming through>

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mcquaid:

GreyFoxx, could I still take a look at it and see what you mapped to what?

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reeddler:

schnee schna schnappi... das kleine krokodil

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hpAuto:

is it bad if the frontend keeps scrolling prebuffering pause?

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CBiLL:

hola again

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CBiLL:

anyone use this graphic card? – ASUS EN7600GS

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dtm:

CBiLL: why?

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CBiLL:

wanted to know if it stay in it own slot

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CBiLL:

with those huge heatsink .. I am not sure the thickness of the card from the picture

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CBiLL:

I like the specs but concerned if it will overlap another slot which I can't afford to give up on a micro atx

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Paladine:

can someone give me the IP for ns1.dnsexit.com please

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Paladine:

my ISP's dns has gone down

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twisty7867:

63.223.76.173

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Paladine:

thanks

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twisty7867:

sure np. can anyone here recommend (from experience) an ATSC tuner card for use with mythtv?

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CBiLL:

from reading forums etc .. pvr350 seem to be popular choice

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CBiLL:

but I have not built me a system yet

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CBiLL:

and it the card I am leaning toward to

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lostinmyth:

twisty7867: i am also looking

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twisty7867:

to my knowledge PVR350 is an analog capture card not ATSC, though

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lostinmyth:

twisty7867: i have an ati hdtv wonder

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CBiLL:

oh I thought it had a astc tuner on it?

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twisty7867:

lost: I tried one of those on my windoze box and the software was so bad. resold it before I learned of myth or I would still have it

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lostinmyth:

twisty7867: probably the best thing u did

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twisty7867:

although if I remember right it's a full-height card and I need a half-height one for the case I have

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lostinmyth:

yip it is full-height

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twisty7867:

was a net zero for me. I resold on ebay for a little more than I paid ;)

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lostinmyth:

i may try that too, although they pretty cheap now

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CBiLL:

what case you got?

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lostinmyth:

the ati HDTV can be picked up for about $49 from buy.com

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lostinmyth:

^^^ only reason i bought it

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twisty7867:

plain AOpen one I got free from the office. http://pics.gate2prices.dk/hardware/H007019.jpg

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twisty7867:

oh, at the time, I paid $85 on ebay and resold for $95

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lostinmyth:

now i am trying to get remote working

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CBiLL:

that a microatx?

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Paladine:

anyoneelse having dns issues?

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twisty7867:

I think my frontrunner at the moment is the FusionHDTV, I am trying to ascertain whether the Gold version is worth $50 extra http://store.snapstream.com/fusionhdtv-lite.html

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Paladine:

can someone traceroute 213.208.84.2 for me?

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lostinmyth:

well it wont tune QAM-256 unencrypted, so i have to use an antenna

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twisty7867:

yeah. I got the whole PC; microatx mobo, 2.something athlon, 512mb, surplus from the office. not amazing PC but for the price :)

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Gumby:

Paladine: pm?

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Paladine:

sure

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CBiLL:

cool

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CBiLL:

I am putting together a micro atx system too .. it will be my first time I done micro atx size

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CBiLL:

wb twisty7867

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Gumby:

Paladine: did that get through?

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Gumby:

nm

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twisty7867:

d'oh. too much paste for Palatine ;)

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CBiLL:

twisty7867 : cool I am putting together a micro atx system as well too and it will be my first time doing micro size .. I am quite concern about addon fitting inside the case I choose.

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twisty7867:

this case is quite cramped. I have 2 hard drives in there, plan to cut out the floppy port on the front and replace with LCD. it will comfortably fit 2 of the fusionhdtv cards if I go that route

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twisty7867:

if I had my druthers I would go with the antec fusion case but so far I have spent $0 and having a hard time coming up with $100 for the ATSC card at the moment :)

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CBiLL:

yeah I want that fusion case so bad

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CBiLL:

but probably going to go with antec 2400 case

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CBiLL:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16811129014

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CBiLL:

unless I happen to find a dealer offering some "sale" or hoilday sale price on Fusion case

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CBiLL:

I wish antec made VFD and Volume control optional and bring the price down on case only 8-/

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twisty7867:

hm, I almost like that other antec better. having the ready-made vfd and knob is nice but for the price differential you can get a better VFD/LCD if you can live without the knob

[03:39:08]

CBiLL:

I don't want the VFD or the knob

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reeddler:

is there a special trick to delete recording profile group? Docs say to use "D" but doesnt work

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CBiLL:

and the other case the 2400 .. I am disappointed there no firewire on the front either

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CBiLL:

however fusion does have the firewire in the front

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twisty7867:

newegg usually has amazing prices and since I live in LA I get most of their stuff in a day, but last time I was looking at the Fusion I found another vendor had it for about $160 shipped, and no tax ($14! here in the people's republic of california

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CBiLL:

160 is not bad at all!

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CBiLL:

beside where the heck that knob plug into on the motherboard? is there some pinout for it?

[03:41:02]

CBiLL:

or is it sound card that it plug into?

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twisty7867:

lol never considered that

[03:41:17]

CBiLL:

I wondered about that

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twisty7867:

hm next time I am at Frys I will have to take a look at that

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CBiLL:

hell if i got that fusion case I am even tempted to try to remove the knob and place a nice smoke glass over the knob hole and put a ir infrad pickup behind it

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CBiLL:

unless that VFD have ir build in

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CBiLL:

no idea if it does

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twisty7867:

the antec site says the VFD panel has space to mount IR receiver

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CrocoJet:

Hi all

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CBiLL:

hrmmm

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CrocoJet:

I am thinking to buy one video capture board, pinnacle pc-tv pro pci, is a good one ?

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RyeBrye2:

What are you going to use the card for?

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CrocoJet:

what is the best board to use mythtv ?

[03:46:16]

RyeBrye2:

For SDTV or HDTV?

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CrocoJet:

record some films from tv cable (regular cable)

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CrocoJet:

use coaxial connector

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RyeBrye2:

Speaking on behalf of the entire channel – which seems aslseep right now... I'd say the hauppauge ones are really good

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twisty7867:

hm now I read the reviews and think about the pieces I am less impressed with that box. anyways now I have this aopen one it's last on my priority list. first thing obviously I need ATSC card, secondly VFD/LCD panel and/or new mobo (ABit IL-90?)

[03:47:02]

CrocoJet:

use my camcorder to transfer some video to dvd

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reeddler:

is there a special trick to delete recording profile group? Docs say to use "D" but doesnt work

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RyeBrye2:

Crocojet – do you have a fast CPU you will be using as a backend?

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CrocoJet:

"PVR" use

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CrocoJet:

P4 dual core

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RyeBrye2:

Nice

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CrocoJet:

what do you think that video board capture ?

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RyeBrye2:

Do you have a link for it?

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CrocoJet:

pinnacle pc-tv pro pci

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CrocoJet:

explain ... "link" ?:

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CBiLL:

abit il-90 is a NICE motherboard BUT

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CrocoJet:

url ?

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CrocoJet:

one min

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RyeBrye2:

yeah

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CBiLL:

takes a moblie processor only which is COSTLY!

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AngryElf:

mythfrontend is telling me it can't connect to the backend. It's running on the same host and I haven't changed any ports. Any ideas?

[03:48:43]

CBiLL:

same cpus used in notebook or laptops

[03:49:12]

CBiLL:

I almost got that motherboard until I saw the prices of the cpu for it

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CBiLL:

oh boy

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CBiLL:

lol

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twisty7867:

it will take socket 478 as well

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CBiLL:

yeah

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RyeBrye2:

Crocojet – according to this page: http://pvrhw.goldfish.org/tiki-page.php?pageName=pvrhw_tuners it is supporte din linux using the BTTV drivers – but I can't see if it is a hardware encorder or just a frame grabber...

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CrocoJet:

http://www.pinnaclesys.com/PublicSite/us/Prod . . . alog+PCI.htm

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CrocoJet:

let me see

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CBiLL:

twisty7867 : I am trying to build a system using Core 2 Duo and thier moblie version are expensive is why

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CrocoJet:

http://www.pinnaclesys.com/PublicSite/us/Prod . . . alog+Pro+PCI

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AngryElf:

is there a way to tell what port mythbackend is set to listen on for the frontend?

[03:53:45]

twisty7867:

the core 2 interests me but I imagined getting the mobo for the spdif/hdmi connections and dropping the cheapest possible proc in there and then going back later to drop a nice core 2 in there

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CBiLL:

twisty7867 : yeah that would be a idea to go with

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twisty7867:

since the amd mobo in there at present has no digital sound output :/

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CBiLL:

twisty7867 : what do you think the cheapest proc that could handle a hdtv for that board would be? a 3.0 prescott?

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RyeBrye2:

Crocojet: That card would probably work fine for your machine – I have never used it, but with your processor you will be using you should be able to get away with using just about any capture card you want

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CrocoJet:

ok

[03:55:27]

RyeBrye2:

Crocojet: The remote will probably be more trouble than it is worth to get working... but that's just speculation on my part from what I've heard about cards that include remotes

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RyeBrye2:

http://www.compuplus.com/i-Hauppauge-WinTV-PV . . . ha5520726349 is the card I'm using

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CrocoJet:

what is your video capture ?

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CrocoJet:

let me see

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RyeBrye2:

I like it.

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RyeBrye2:

It uses the ivtv drivers – and it does MPEG-2 encoding on board... so my CPU doesn't have to think about anything except for transcoding and flagging commercials... and stuff like that

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twisty7867:

cbill: depends on what you're doing. based on my reading through the docs, if you capture raw MPEG2 and play back with acceleterated xv you could probably get away with anything

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twisty7867:

although I am less impressed with that board now too

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twisty7867:

since i am reading the manual and it says they don't recommend HDMI->DVI cable and my TV has DVI input

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CBiLL:

ohhh

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CBiLL:

damn

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CBiLL:

I still do not trust onboard video

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twisty7867:

I would like to get a new TV but I gotta get a job first

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CBiLL:

I always rather have a addon graphic card with it own memory

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twisty7867:

yeah same, but I liked the idea of HDMI out and not many reasonably priced cards seem to have it

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CBiLL:

isn't there a dvi to hdmi adapter??

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CBiLL:

for video cards

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RyeBrye2:

I don't think so – hdmi = DRM iirc

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twisty7867:

well

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twisty7867:

HDMI = DVI + DRM + audio

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RyeBrye2:

right

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twisty7867:

so you can always change DVI to HDMI but not necessarily vice versa

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RyeBrye2:

but in my mind the DRM is such a big part of that equation it dwarfs everything else

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RyeBrye2:

Oh, I gotcha

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RyeBrye2:

twisty – are you lookign for a video card with HDout?

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xris:

twisty7867: you're thinking of hdcp

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twisty7867:

DVI <> HDMI is just a pinout change. electrically they're totally the same

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xris:

pretty sure that hdmi can be either/or as far as encryption goes

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RyeBrye2:

oic

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CBiLL:

yeah but there no such video card that have both graphic and sound on it

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CBiLL:

that why you find them on motherboard only

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twisty7867:

HDMI include HDCP optionally. so devices that require it won't work with HDMI to DVI adapter

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CBiLL:

the hdmi out

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RyeBrye2:

I picked up a GeForce 6200 card that has DVI out and also analog HD out for $30 recently...

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CBiLL:

hdcp is a joke

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CBiLL:

and I hope it dies

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RyeBrye2:

(I didn't buy it for the HD feature, I bought it because it was an nvidia chipset)

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lostinmyth:

twisty7867, were u looking for a half-size card?

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twisty7867:

hm. my TV has DVI input anyways

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twisty7867:

half size ATSC card yes

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CBiLL:

beside who want to feed sound into tv anyway

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RyeBrye2:

Yeah

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CBiLL:

you want to feed them into your A/V for room shaking sound!

[04:02:24]

RyeBrye2:

just get good VBI support

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CBiLL:

8-)

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CrocoJet:

RyeBrye2, Pinnacle PCTV Analog Pro-PCI • 352x240 (VCD) • 480x480 (SVCD) • 720x480 (DVD)

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RyeBrye2:

Hmm

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CBiLL:

this is the video card I am checking out on http://www.asus.com/products.aspx?l1=2&l2 . . . ;modelmenu=1

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RyeBrye2:

"Built for Microsoft Windows Vista"

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RyeBrye2:

Nice

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CBiLL:

lol

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CBiLL:

no fan thou

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twisty7867:

I don't necessarily want to feed it into my TV so much as I want to buy a new receiver with DVI switching

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twisty7867:

err HDMI switching I mean

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RyeBrye2:

CBill – yeah that's nice

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CBiLL:

I am trying to find out how thick that heatsink is and make sure it doesn't overlap another pci slot space

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CBiLL:

cuz since I am doing micro atx board I need all the space and slots on it

[04:06:22]

RyeBrye2:

Is it an AGP card?

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CBiLL:

pci express

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RyeBrye2:

gptcja

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RyeBrye2:

= gotcha

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CBiLL:

I know the pci express normally have 2 slot together that it not a problem

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CBiLL:

but

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RyeBrye2:

Crocojet – that card would probably work... you might want to check back here tomorrow sometime and ask again what people think of it and see if you can find someone who has used one

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CBiLL:

check this motherboard out http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813128024 is the motherboard I was thinking of and look at thier pci express slots

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CBiLL:

stupid design

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CBiLL:

x16 then 2 standard pci and x1 at the end

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CBiLL:

not x16 x1 then 2 standard pci

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CrocoJet:

ok, RyeBrye2

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CrocoJet:

RyeBrye2, thanks

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twisty7867:

that's ghetto. personally I wouldn't buy anything but an ABit mobo, I've been buying them for years with zero problems

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CBiLL:

it the only micro I can find that 775 and have both audio digital in and out

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CBiLL:

but now I am going to look at digital out only board

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twisty7867:

I would gladly settle on digital out only. how did you find that on newegg? I didn't find a a way to search by spdif connector

[04:10:55]

CBiLL:

I have own all brand .. abit asus gigabyte msi tyan .. they all good board

[04:11:19]

CBiLL:

I downloaded a list which show all the connectors for core 2 duo supported board

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CBiLL:

don't know if it will work but trying to dcc you that list twisty7867

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** RyeBrye2 just realizes what a good deal he got on his GeForce 6200... he got it for $30 and ChiefValue (aka newegg) now sells it for $70... **

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CBiLL:

nice deal there

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CBiLL:

let me find that url with that list

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CBiLL:

sec twisty7867

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CBiLL:

found it

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CBiLL:

here it is twisty7867 – http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=710828

[04:13:35]

CBiLL:

you can download the list

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twisty7867:

nice thanks

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CBiLL:

pdf format is nice

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CBiLL:

and color coded too

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RyeBrye2:

Is there a linux app that will use that worthless FM input on my PVR-500?

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CBiLL:

purple for micro atx board etc

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twisty7867:

wow very nice. thanks for the link cbill

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CBiLL:

your welcome

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CBiLL:

rememeber this is core 2 duo supported board but it's 775 and 478 socket so some of those board will support other cpus

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robbins876:

ANyone have myth running in FC6?

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twisty7867:

hmm. I would prefer the 775 boards since I have several 775 cpus/boards here

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CBiLL:

http://www.intel.com/products/motherboard/dg965ot/index.htm I am thinking about this board

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CBiLL:

what you think?

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RyeBrye2:

robbins – I have Myth running in FC6

[04:19:10]

RyeBrye2:

I did an upgrade install of my FC5 and then updated my kmods and everything works fine still

[04:20:31]

siXy:

CBiLL: that is a bit overkill for myth imo. i would get a MoDT board. abit does one with a hdmi socket, and aopen do serveral good ones

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CBiLL:

MoDT?

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twisty7867:

mobile on desktop.

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siXy:

mobile on desktop

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CBiLL:

ah

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CBiLL:

pricey cpu

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siXy:

no more pricey than a core2duo

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twisty7867:

that intel board is nice. for me big requirements are 2 PCI slots, lga775, and optical audio

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robbins876:

when yum mythtv-suite ends with something along the lines of... "no more mirros to try." what's the solution?

[04:21:52]

robbins876:

yum install mythtv-suite

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twisty7867:

download and compile yourself? :P

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CBiLL:

core2duo is what I want to get =P

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robbins876:

i mean, is it because the repos are busy

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robbins876:

?

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siXy:

CBiLL: core2duo (conroe) chips cost about the same as mobile core duo (yonah) chips. they are faster, but you will not notice the difference in mythtv.

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CBiLL:

then what moblie cpu min range that can support analog and hdtv both with closed caption overlayed?

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siXy:

conroe chips are far hotter and consume much more power, so its not great for keeping the box quiet

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siXy:

any yonah chip will be fine

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CBiLL:

hrmmm

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CBiLL:

let me check some modt board then

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CBiLL:

know any micro ones with coax/optial out?

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CBiLL:

for socket 478

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siXy:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16819111182

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siXy:

thats an example of a yonah cpu

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twisty7867:

speaking of the devil you're back to the IL-90

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CBiLL:

yup

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CBiLL:

lol

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CBiLL:

but can't use hdmi yet

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siXy:

http://www.abit.com.tw/page/uk/motherboard/mo . . . obile+Socket

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CBiLL:

cuz the projector only does 720p and only have compoment in

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twisty7867:

it has pcix slot so you can always drop in another card

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CBiLL:

and I also want to hook it up to analog tv

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twisty7867:

ah, I have CRT HD set with DVI in. so only place I am going from here is 1080p plasma/lcd

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siXy:

it has digital optical audio on board too

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CBiLL:

yeah siXy that the board I was looking at yesterday

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siXy:

arguably the best consumer-level htpc board out atm

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siXy:

imo anyway

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CBiLL:

how would you get tv out on it?

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CBiLL:

use a graphic card with tv out?

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twisty7867:

well I feel better about thinking of that one. now I just need to rustle up $500 for the whole kit-n-kaboodle. (mobo memory proc)

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twisty7867:

first things first. atsc tuner and lcd/vfd.

[04:28:37]

CBiLL:

hrmmm

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twisty7867:

anyways I gotta hit the sack so I can go to work respectable hour in the morning

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CBiLL:

I am reading up on this board

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CBiLL:

again lol

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CBiLL:

is there a hdmi to compoment adapter?

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siXy:

cbill theres an aopen board with component out on it... just looking now

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CBiLL:

hrmm does this board have a mpeg hardware or that task will be done by the cpu?

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siXy:

hmmm thats dothan only.. put a pentium m 750 should be ok for hdmi anyways. here it is: http://global.aopen.com.tw/products/mb/i915GMm-HFS.htm

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siXy:

CBiLL: all these boards use the intel gma graphics card, which is fine for mythtv

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CBiLL:

that aopen doesn't look too bad

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CBiLL:

but I don't see a digital audio out on it thou

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siXy:

All the aopen boards use coax digital rather than optical

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CBiLL:

ah I see

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siXy:

but if component video is your main sticking point, you can get vga to component converters quite cheaply

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CBiLL:

hrmm didn't think about the vga

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siXy:

does the projector have dvi?

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CBiLL:

no

[04:40:07]

CBiLL:

it got vga thou

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levander:

Some of these video cards have "HDTV / S-Video" outs with a cable that on one end goes to the video card and on the other end goes to either S-Video port, or HDTV port. However, some of these video cards only have an "HDTV" out. Does that mean, that even with the right cable, these video cards can't output to S-Video?

[04:40:18]

CBiLL:

s-video / vga / compoent

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siXy:

ahh simple. get a hdmi -> dvi cable for the tv, and a vga -> vga cable for the projecter. sorted :)

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CBiLL:

I don't think a s-video cable will fit in a hdtv out adapter that look like a s-video connector

[04:41:06]

CBiLL:

my tv still analog hehe

[04:41:29]

CBiLL:

so the tv can only do s-video or rca composite

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siXy:

oh. thought you said the tv did dvi :/

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CBiLL:

no that was twisty

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CBiLL:

the main reason I am building this system

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CBiLL:

is so that the closed caption on it will be extracted and overlay on the video before it sent to the projector

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CBiLL:

and dvr features as well too

[04:43:28]

CBiLL:

I am planning on upgrading my analog tv to a hdtv one .. but I am waiting at least another year on that

[04:44:16]

CBiLL:

and want to make sure I choose right hardware that can do both ..analog and hd

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siXy:

hmmm. aopen's i945GTm-VHL might be the best bet then

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CBiLL:

checking

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siXy:

it has vga, dvi, composite, s-video and comes with an svideo-> component adapter

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CBiLL:

digital audio out?

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siXy:

no hdmi but as dvi video == hdmi video that should be fine

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CBiLL:

I am not worried about hdmi

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siXy:

yeah the smae coax as the others. you will need a jack to phono adapter, but these can be had from an electrical store for virtually nothing

[04:49:36]

CBiLL:

jack to phono adapter?

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CBiLL:

what that phono for I see on the board picture then?

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siXy:

aparently comes with 2x optidcal adapters, so you can have optical with this one too

[04:50:48]

CBiLL:

oh cool

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siXy:

the phono pllug is the composite video

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CBiLL:

and it will do mythtv just fine?

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siXy:

yeah. it can do hd on windows media center just fine and myth is a lot less demanding

[04:52:33]

CBiLL:

hrmmm it take moblie memory too does it?

[04:52:37]

CBiLL:

from looking at the photo

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siXy:

yeah so-dimm

[04:53:20]

CBiLL:

what cpu you recommand on this board?

[04:53:23]

siXy:

but thats not really much more expensive than normal ram anymore

[04:54:05]

CBiLL:

with the money I save if I get this board I might as well go for the nicer case the Antec Fusion

[04:54:18]

siXy:

probably a 2300e

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CBiLL:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16819111182

[04:55:00]

CBiLL:

this one?

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siXy:

no virtualization, but otherwise identical to a 2300, and $50 cheaper

[04:55:25]

siXy:

yeah

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CBiLL:

what would the next step up cpu would be that work in this board?

[04:56:43]

siXy:

well, newegg dont have the worlds greatest range of yonah chips, but this one, probably, unless you can find a t2400e

[04:56:45]

siXy:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16819111179

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siXy:

bascially 'e' means no virtualization which saves you $50. virtualization is useless on a myth box. then its just T2300->T2400->T2500

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CBiLL:

what's a "e" mean?

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CBiLL:

ohhh

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CBiLL:

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RyeBrye2:

Sometimes if you look at ChiefValue – they will have a cheaper price than newegg – even though newegg owns them and they are the same company baisically

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CBiLL:

stupid script .. ok.

[04:58:20]

CBiLL:

yeah I will be doing some deal hunting

[04:58:29]

CBiLL:

once I get the board and cpu and case selected out

[04:58:36]

CBiLL:

only 50?

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CBiLL:

blah I probably just get a regular one thing

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CBiLL:

then

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siXy:

virtualization is just harware aceel for xen etc

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CBiLL:

that aopen board look good

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robbins876:

hey, i'm getting some issues installing IVTV... not sure what went wrong, but here's a pastebin of the error... http://pastebin.ca/223955

[05:00:09]

CBiLL:

save me cost on the video card too

[05:00:23]

robbins876:

anyone have any ideas?

[05:01:10]

siXy:

Cbill: nice cases: http://www.silverstonetek.com/product-case.htm

[05:01:11]

CBiLL:

-510 of ram will be enough?

[05:01:16]

CBiLL:

I mean

[05:01:18]

CBiLL:

512

[05:01:19]

CBiLL:

typo

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CBiLL:

1 in each slot

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CBiLL:

so over a gig total

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RyeBrye2:

is there a working script that will generate screenshots for roms in mythgame?

[05:02:04]

RyeBrye2:

robins – are you installing ivtv from src or from an rpm?

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robbins876:

hmm... from yum, so i suppose an rpm

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siXy:

cbill 1 gig or ram is plenty. more than enough in fact, 512 will be fine if you dont load a wm

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RyeBrye2:

oh – I bet I know what the problem is

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RyeBrye2:

type dmesg in the terminal and paste the error output for that ivtv

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siXy:

robbins876: it looks like the module is incorrectly complied for your system. what guide are you following to install it?

[05:02:52]

robbins876:

?

[05:03:03]

CBiLL:

case is nice but full size atx so it a big case

[05:03:15]

RyeBrye2:

anaconda installs the 586 kernel instead of the 686 kernel – but will isntall the 686 kernel-devel

[05:03:22]

robbins876:

just the error message at the bottom?

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RyeBrye2:

it's a bug with the newest FC 6

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siXy:

Cbill: there are lots there. the lc19 is one to look at in particular

[05:03:38]

CBiLL:

however it is the case style I like if they got them in micro -> http://www.silverstonetek.com/products-cw01.htm

[05:03:42]

RyeBrye2:

yeah, does it read something like "BLA BLA BLA 686" "should be " BLA BLA BLA 686"?

[05:03:50]

RyeBrye2:

I mean 586 in the second number

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CBiLL:

I am only showing 1 type of case avaiable on thier website

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siXy:

weird. try this: http://www.silverstonetek.com/products-lc19.htm

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robbins876:

RyeBrye2, http://pastebin.ca/223962

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siXy:

RyeBrye2: he already posted output of modprobe ivtv

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CBiLL:

where tuner card goes?

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RyeBrye2:

Yeah, but I wanted to see the detailed dmesg – which has the exact thing I was looking for

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robbins876:

is that what you were looking for?

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RyeBrye2:

robins876 – you need to relead your kernel with the i686 version

[05:05:42]

RyeBrye2:

Yeah

[05:05:43]

RyeBrye2:

exactly

[05:05:49]

RyeBrye2:

I had the EXACT same thing happen this morning

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Anduin:

RyeBrye2: You can have them yum list kernel as well

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CBiLL:

2 thing about this case

[05:06:16]

RyeBrye2:

True

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robbins876:

RyeBrye2, so what's the problem, and how do I rectify it?

[05:06:35]

CBiLL:

one I don't like flap door becasue I am a clumy person and always break all my flap door .. vcr dvd tv etc

[05:06:41]

RyeBrye2:

Well – other more experienced linux users may know a better way

[05:06:53]

CBiLL:

and it so narrow .. look like there no way to put in 2 tuner card unless the riser card can hold 2 of them

[05:07:03]

RyeBrye2:

but basically i just popped in my Zod disk, copied the i686 kernel to my home directory – and rpm -ivh the i686 kernel

[05:07:36]

siXy:

RyeBrye2: you shouldnt have to do that.

[05:07:50]

RyeBrye2:

siXy – how do you do fix it hten?

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CBiLL:

http://www.silverstonetek.com/images/oem-odm/oem-odm-11-1.jpg this one look nice

[05:08:47]

siXy:

RyeBrye2: what i mean is that you shouldt have the problem in the first place.

[05:08:51]

RyeBrye2:

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=211941

[05:08:56]

RyeBrye2:

It's a bug

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robbins876:

so i need to copy kernel-2.6.18–1.2798.fc6.i686.rpm to my home directory?

[05:09:15]

RyeBrye2:

So you are right – you shouldn't have the problem in the first place :)

[05:09:21]

CBiLL:

I would like this one if it wasn't a full size case http://www.silverstonetek.com/images/oem-odm/oem-odm-6-1.jpg

[05:09:32]

siXy:

CBiLL: thats a custom for an oem. neraes i can see is http://www.silverstonetek.com/products-lc02.htm

[05:10:05]

robbins876:

RyeBrye2, is that the correct file?

[05:10:17]

siXy:

this one is also very popular: http://www.silverstonetek.com/products-lc11.htm

[05:10:21]

RyeBrye2:

robbins – yeah, that is the one I used

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robbins876:

alright, then i do rpm -ivh kernel-2.6.18–1.2798.fc6.i686.rpm ??

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CBiLL:

those cases used laptop dvd player or something?

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RyeBrye2:

then just rpm -ivh kernel-2.6.18–1.2798.fc6.i686.rpm

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Anduin:

robbins876: Look at comment #24 on that bug report

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siXy:

hmmm thats weird. not seen that one before :O

[05:11:37]

CBiLL:

that last case look real nice

[05:11:46]

RyeBrye2:

robins

[05:11:54]

RyeBrye2:

Anduin is right – #24 on the bug report makes the most sense

[05:12:04]

CBiLL:

question thou .. can 2 tuner card fit on riser card thou?

[05:12:21]

robbins876:

that does seem a little easier

[05:12:28]

RyeBrye2:

the reason I jumped to copying stuff off the zod disk is because at the time the thing I was working on was building my ndiswrapper – so I couldn't use yum to do it

[05:12:45]

siXy:

CBiLL: no regular dvd player. just make sure it doesnt have a play button, just an eject one, and a normal square one not those odd round ones on the samsung dvd drives

[05:12:49]

RyeBrye2:

but yeah – the problem is definitely that bug

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robbins876:

i tried your way, but it gave me errors about being installed already, or something similar

[05:13:21]

siXy:

CBiLL: that case will take 3 cards. you may need to buy flexible risers to make it work with tat motherboard, but they are pretty cheap

[05:13:26]

Anduin:

Yeah, it was the perfect bug to be introduced when removing the smp kernel

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CBiLL:

thanks for all the information siXy .. it is much appreicated!

[05:13:55]

siXy:

thats a pretty serious buy to be in fc6 final, even for fredora :/

[05:14:03]

siXy:

CBiLL: no probs :)

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Anduin:

siXy: One of several that are shameful

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siXy:

just like fc5 all over again :*(

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robbins876:

RyeBrye2, did you get compiz working?

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RyeBrye2:

I'm not sure... :)

[05:15:04]

RyeBrye2:

Does compiz work in kde or is just a gnome thing?

[05:15:13]

RyeBrye2:

I found instructions for playing with it in gnome – but not kde

[05:15:17]

robbins876:

i asked that question earlier and didn't really get a response

[05:15:27]

RyeBrye2:

but I'm running KDE because I heard that MythTV likes KDE better

[05:15:38]

robbins876:

I run KDE because it looks cleaner, i think

[05:15:56]

RyeBrye2:

yeah

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siXy:

RyeBrye2: gnome/kde are a littly heavy for mythtv

[05:16:07]

RyeBrye2:

Oh

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robbins876:

so after this kernel updates, i should reboot, eh?

[05:16:31]

RyeBrye2:

yeah, I think you have to...

[05:16:43]

RyeBrye2:

Oh – be sure to complete step 3 in that process

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RyeBrye2:

and reinstall that junk that it uninstalls

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siXy:

if you want to use a window manager try one of the boxes (black, flux, etc) or xfce, but there is no need to use a wm at all

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robbins876:

should i reboot before i do step 3?

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siXy:

no

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RyeBrye2:

no, you don't want to reboot unstill that stuff is loaded back in

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robbins876:

alright

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RyeBrye2:

(wow, new word – "unstill")

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siXy:

rebooting between 2 and 3 will most likely break somehting

[05:18:01]

RyeBrye2:

siXy – will most emulators like xmame and xe work without a wm?

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siXy:

i dont use emulators myself, but there is no reason that i know of for them to require a wm

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robbins876:

should i go ahead and reinstall the ivtv stuff, or do that after the reboot?

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siXy:

not using a wm chops a massive chunk out of boot time, which is hand if you have an ivtv based card

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siXy:

robbins876: you may find that modprobe works after the update but if not yum reove it then install it again

[05:20:11]

robbins876:

alright, to the reboot

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robbins876:

be back in a couple minutes

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CBiLL:

siXy : I think you got me hooked on this setup 8-)

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siXy:

:D

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RyeBrye2:

siXy – so aside from the fact that they are both heavy – is there any advantage to using KDE over Gnome? (even though no wm would be best)

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CBiLL:

pricey motherboard but you save the cost on not having to buy the video card

[05:25:44]

CBiLL:

which is nice

[05:25:49]

CBiLL:

and keeping the case real small too

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siXy:

the reason the site reccomends kde of gnome is because gnome is gtk, whereas kde is qt, like myth

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RyeBrye2:

oh

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RyeBrye2:

gotcha

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siXy:

but myth runs just fine on gnome in my experiance.

[05:26:44]

RyeBrye2:

Hmm

[05:26:49]

RyeBrye2:

I might try it out just to see

[05:26:58]

RyeBrye2:

I mainly want to play with compiz

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CBiLL:

now if you got some time

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siXy:

i would be inclined to go with gnome on fedora, as a lot more work has been done on gnome than kde

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CBiLL:

I need to pick out a analog and hdtv tuner card that can do closed caption without issues in mythtv hehe

[05:27:38]

CBiLL:

what do you recommand?

[05:27:47]

CBiLL:

hdtv is OTA here

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siXy:

as far as i know no card can do analogue and digital simultaneously so you will need one of each.

[05:28:15]

CBiLL:

right

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CBiLL:

as for analog card

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CBiLL:

I have local cable and a sat reciever box so I would need a card that have coax in for local cable and a rca composite in both video and audio R/L for sat reiciever box

[05:29:20]

CBiLL:

curious .. could mythtv record shows at the same time on coax cable tuner and rca video in?

[05:29:30]

CBiLL:

or I need to get 2 analog tuner to do that?

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dtm:

CBiLL: 2 tuners

[05:29:39]

CBiLL:

shoot

[05:29:40]

dtm:

CBiLL: some cards have two tuners

[05:29:47]

CBiLL:

yeah pvr500 I know

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siXy:

cbill: the dvico cards are very good quality, but they are in the middle of replacing their card line-up so availiability may be an issue

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dtm:

CBiLL: those are just wired to the same tuner

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CBiLL:

but I heard closed caption have issues on pvr500

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siXy:

dvico do dual tuner hdtv cards

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CBiLL:

only need dual on analog

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CBiLL:

one for local cable and one for sat reciever video/audio in

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siXy:

do you have a cable box or do you need to run the cable straight to myth?

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CBiLL:

cable straigth to myth

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CBiLL:

I only do basic cable locally

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siXy:

then you will probably need a dvb-c card for that. my experiance with these is approximately nil however :)

[05:31:39]

CBiLL:

and the rest programming I get from sat reciever

[05:31:50]

CBiLL:

dvb sat card? no no

[05:31:57]

CBiLL:

I have a sat reciever here

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siXy:

dvb-c = digital cable

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CBiLL:

oh

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CBiLL:

naw not doing digital cable either

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siXy:

unless its analogue cable, in which case i have no cle im afraid :)

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CBiLL:

just analog which I have now

[05:32:21]

siXy:

*clue

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siXy:

dtm?

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xris:

CBiLL: where do you live?

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CBiLL:

Springfield Mo

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CBiLL:

cable provider is medicom and sat provider is directv

[05:33:13]

CBiLL:

and all my local station have hdtv ota broadcasting

[05:33:24]

CBiLL:

but 1 or 2 station

[05:33:36]

CBiLL:

however that give me like 6 hdtv station to watch from

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siXy:

hauppage do a hvr-3000 that does everything, but i dont know the status of linux support with that card

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xris:

CBiLL: if you just want analog (hd is digital), pvr-150 or pvr-500. you can't do anything with your satellite stuff other than composite/svideo into one of those cards.

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CBiLL:

right xris

[05:34:52]

CBiLL:

and use a ir blaster to the sat box to have mythtv change channel to record from

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siXy:

xris: analgue cable == ota analogue?

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xris:

siXy: close enough

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xris:

CBiLL: yeah. I used to do that with dishnetwork and a pvr-150

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siXy:

ah well you learn somehting every day then :)

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CBiLL:

but the thing is closed caption is important to me

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CBiLL:

I am deaf btw hehe

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siXy:

cable is pretty uncommon in my area, so i hvae very little knowledge of it

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CBiLL:

that why I wanted that digital out .. it connect to my A/V which connect to a room full of sub woofers =P

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siXy:

doesnt that make your hearing worse?

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xris:

CBiLL: not really sure about the closed captioning stuff. We do have at least one blind user in here, though, and I know he uses it for his screen reader.

[05:36:37]

CBiLL:

I was born deaf

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CBiLL:

so no it doesn't make my hearing worse 8-)

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CBiLL:

but hell it squeeze the heck out of you when your watching a movie that have exposives in it ehe

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siXy:

:)

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CBiLL:

yeah that one thing i am concerned about is in my research on mythtv forums and sites that pvr150 and pvr500 "may" have issue decoding closed caption in mythtv

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robbins876:

Alright, I'm back... and only had a minor problem with the reboot... as if any even recalls

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CBiLL:

siXy : curious with this setup you recommand to me tonight .. It should be able to handle recording 2 show and playback 1 show all at the same time?

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RyeBrye2:

robbins – does ivtv work now?

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xris:

CBiLL: that's all I've heard, too. you might try asking in #ivtv-dev or on the ivtv mailing lists.

[05:39:06]

xris:

brb

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CBiLL:

on this network?

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siXy:

recording only really taxes hd throughput. as long as your harddrives are reasonably modern that should be fine. cpu is barely used for recording

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robbins876:

RyeBrye2, yeah, it appears to be working, anyway

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CBiLL:

so a new 500gig sata drive should do the task just fine?

[05:40:44]

CBiLL:

8-)

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siXy:

yeah.

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robbins876:

RyeBrye2, did you use wilsons guide?

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siXy:

get a samsung if you can, and enable aam. it will be much queiter

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siXy:

*quieter

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CBiLL:

oh .. making note of that then

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RyeBrye2:

robbins – yeah

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Juski:

!seen gbee

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MythLogBot:

gbee was last seen 2 days 6 hours 42 minutes 23 seconds ago

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RyeBrye2:

I've since modified my atrpms repo to default to be disabled

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CBiLL:

I have hearing families so they like quiet when they come to visit to watch a movie with me .. have to turn the A/V wayyyy down =P

[05:42:10]

RyeBrye2:

and I just enable it to deal with mythtv stuff

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siXy:

CBiLL: 400 Gb Samsung HD400LJ Spinpoint M

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robbins876:

I'm to the part where you change settings for the test capture

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RyeBrye2:

what card do you have?

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siXy:

thats pretty much the quietest large drive availiable atm... tho thining about it noise may not be such an issue to you :)

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robbins876:

i'm getting this error there... http://pastebin.ca/224014

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CBiLL:

hehehe

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robbins876:

hauppauge pvr-150

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CBiLL:

what a widely supported hdtv tuner in mythtv?

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Juski:

morning all

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siXy:

CBiLL: leadtek do some cheap ones that are very good

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siXy:

hi

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RyeBrye2:

robins – I don't remember that step

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siXy:

personally i find dvico cards are the highest quality, but that is a slightly subjective judgement

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RyeBrye2:

can you just cat /dev/video0 and see if you get gibberish?

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siXy:

support for most hdtv cards is pretty good now

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RyeBrye2:

that's what i usualyl od to testif my card is working

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tank-man:

robbins876, it says invalid option " -u "

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robbins876:

RyeBrye2, I'm getting video, but the audio is all crazy... like it's distorted... it's the capitol one commercial with the family on the train, then at the end the grandma says... "what's in your wallet?" but she sounds like satan... and there's a lot of static too

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siXy:

CBiLL: but hdtv cards are slightly area-specific.

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Juski:

robbins876: several things can cause that

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tank-man:

lol "whats in your wallet" in satan voice, i think that is normal

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siXy:

http://www.pchdtv.com/ – they doa linux-specific htdv card

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robbins876:

Juski> what kind of things?

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** Juski points out that the wiki covers the subject of which HDTV cards are good to go ;) **

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siXy:

juski: last time i looked that was badly out of date and incomplete however

[05:49:48]

Juski:

robbins876: not being tuned to the right frequency, or maybe the wrong tuner type detected by the driver (which can be fixed by setting a modprobe option)

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Juski:

siXy: fair enough, but the wiki doesn't update itself

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RyeBrye2:

robins876: That's awesome! That's a feature I would pay extra for to hear grandma sound like satan...

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robbins876:

how do i check the modprobe option?

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siXy:

Juski: this is true, sadly :(

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Juski:

robbins876: try the ivtv driver tuning utility first.. it could just be that the card is tuned to a random channel... i.e. not on exactly the right frequency

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robbins876:

alright

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robbins876:

i changed the channel, and i'm still getting that wild audio problem

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Juski:

robbins876: okay. if you do ivtvctl -a does it tell you you're using the right tv standard for where you live?

[05:57:01]

Juski:

it might also be that the audio volume is set too high

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robbins876:

this is what it's telling me when i try that

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robbins876:

http://pastebin.ca/224029

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robbins876:

should i remove/install ivtv again?

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Juski:

robbins876: can you show me the output of dmesg |grep ivtv ?

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robbins876:

http://pastebin.ca/224031

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Juski:

hmmm it's definitely loading ok

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robbins876:

any other ideas?

[06:03:40]

Juski:

could still just be off-channel, or maybe your cable feed is very low (if you're using cable)

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robbins876:

it worked fine yesterday in FC5

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robbins876:

also, mythsetup won't load

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Juski:

have you upgraded the kernel or something?

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robbins876:

i just updated my kernel, think i should reinstall mythtv-suite?

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Juski:

did you upgrade ivtv after updating the kernel?

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robbins876:

nope

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Juski:

do that

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robbins876:

alright, but what aobut mythtvsetup not loading?

[06:05:24]

Juski:

without seeing any error messages about it I have no idea

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robbins876:

how do i get a print of that?

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Juski:

you run mythtv-setup from a terminal window, yes?

[06:07:25]

robbins876:

correct

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Juski:

should see errors there if there's a problem

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robbins876:

[robbins876@localhost ~]$ mythtv-setup

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robbins876:

mythtv-setup: error while loading shared libraries: /usr/lib/libmythavcodec-0.20.so.0: cannot restore segment prot after reloc: Permission denied

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Juski:

ouch

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Juski:

maybe the kernel wasn't the only thing that got upgraded

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robbins876:

that's what i'm thinking, so maybe i should yum remove mythtv-suite

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robbins876:

then reinstall, what do you think?

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Juski:

this is why I don't upgrade stuff 'just because' ;)

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Juski:

not saying _you_ did.. but it's why I don't

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Juski:

robbins876: you don't seem to have much to lose

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czthIII:

i have an nVidia 7900GS TV out card; I'm using S-Video output, which works fine, but when I use the S-Video->Component video adapter and use component video, the display is B&W with some pinks.

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czthIII:

not finding too much on that condition searching the web :(

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Juski:

you can't do svideo to component with an adapter they give you in the box. you must mean _composite_

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Dagmar:

...and if it's coming out like that it's broken

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Juski:

czthIII: what you need to do is change an option in your xorg.conf file from 'svideo' to 'composite' and restart X

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czthIII:

component video is composite?

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Dagmar:

Or you need to look at the README for the driver and find the command to force the type of output. It might actually matter

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Juski:

no.. COMPONENT IS COMPONENT ;)

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Juski:

composite is composite

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Juski:

only the first four letters of both words are the same

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Dagmar:

"component" typically has separate red, blue, and green signals.

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czthIII:

hrm. it looks like an svideo to component adapter – the colors are white (green blue red, not red yellow white)

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Dagmar:

Composite is just all in one wire

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czthIII:

*are right

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Juski:

composite!

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Dagmar:

czth: This is the black box about two inches by one inch by four inches?

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Dagmar:

You're using the wrong damn connectors.

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czthIII:

i don't think it's that big

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Juski:

huh? so you don't mean the little yellow adapter thing?

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siXy:

some graphics come with s-video -> component adapeters – is that waht you are talking about?

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** Juski didn't know anybody shipped svideo to component adapters with nvidia cards.. oops **

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Dagmar:

One side of it has composite output, but you won't be using those unless you've got a rather expensive TV

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czthIII:

no, it's just an svideo plug sprouting 3 leads with component video colored plugs (red green blue)

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Dagmar:

Juski: There's some that do now. The thing on the back of the card that looks like an s-video output isn't one, and if people try to use it they will not get a useable signal

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Juski:

and it wouldn't be an svideo plug. svideo plugs only have 4 pins

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czthIII:

it might not have been shipped with the card – maybe it's meant for input instead?

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siXy:

yeah that adapter features on some graphics cards and on some of aopens motherboards too

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Dagmar:

czth: No, it's an output

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czthIII:

i had the box built and they threw all the leads, manuals, and such into a bag

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Juski:

czthIII: read the nvidia driver docs about which options to use in your xorg.conf

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siXy:

juski: hes not wrong. svideo is technically capable of carrying hdtv, although as signal deredation is significant its not normally used

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czthIII:

Dagmar: well, it _does_ work as an S-video output

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Dagmar:

the question is does your TV use composite input?

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czthIII:

Juski: ok, will look for it

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Dagmar:

czth: Ah, that would be why you're getting such a great picture then

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Juski:

do you want to get svideo or component out? (or composite??)

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Juski:

i.e. what does your TV have?

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czthIII:

also i'm using decent cables (yesterday i tried with standard RCA cables, so i bought new cables to see if that was the problem, but it wasn't)

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czthIII:

my TV has either, but i was using s-video for the DVD player.

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siXy:

czthIII: does your tv have component in?

[07:00:05]

czthIII:

so i'd like to do component. yes it does.

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czthIII:

(and the component-in worked fine when i hooked it to the DVD player, so it's not the TV input)

[07:00:27]

czthIII:

(or the cable...)

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Juski:

prolly an xorg.conf option needs setting

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siXy:

czthIII: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/ComponentOut

[07:02:36]

czthIII:

thanks

[07:02:47]

czthIII:

was looking around hadn't gotten to that one yet

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czthIII:

that looks painful, maybe i'll just keep it svideo and use component for the DVD player :)

[07:05:19]

Juski:

so, for those who might've missed it last night, I posted this link:

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Juski:

http://www.mythtvtalk.com/forum/album_cat.php?cat_id=7

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** Dagmar shivers with anticpation. **

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Juski:

I've yet to write the 'post-mortem' about what happened at the booth but I figure it'll make interesting reading ;)

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siXy:

nice juski :)

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Juski:

it couldn't really have gone better

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CBiLL:

there are video card that does s-video but provide an adapter with it to get component from s-video (red/green/blue)

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Juski:

CBiLL: yeah but those adapters must need power to them.. you can't just do a wiring trick to get component from a 4 pin svideo plug

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CBiLL:

hrmm didn't notice a power plug in them

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siXy:

Juski: some nvidia gfx cards and some intel gma950 motherboards just have a powerrless adapter.

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CBiLL:

could be that the manfacture put a connector that would take s-video cable but the component adapter use a different pin out in that special connector

[07:20:16]

Juski:

yeah true

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CBiLL:

so it can do either s-video or componment

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Juski:

must have assignable pins on the socket to be able to do that though

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siXy:

that s true – like atis mini-din plug on 8500 gfx cards

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CBiLL:

yeah

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siXy:

anyways i gtg.

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CBiLL:

I don't think it using s-video itself

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Juski:

so it's not svideo, just a mini DIN socket

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CBiLL:

but a seperate circuit pin inside that connector

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CBiLL:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ShowImage.asp?I . . . d+%2D+Retail

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CBiLL:

here one video card using such apater

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CBiLL:

adapter

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CBiLL:

of course you can't take one adapter from one brand video card and use it on the others

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CBiLL:

you have to stick with what came with the video card

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CBiLL:

I notice most 7600 nvidia chipset video card come with this adapter now ..

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CBiLLL:

damn disconnections

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Neeesat25:

Is anyone using lirc with latest mythtv with fixes?

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Dagmar:

It works fine

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Neeesat25:

oops it was a matter of permission

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Neeesat25:

fixed it

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Neeesat25:

I get offen 'Error when trying to display video' Is there anything I can do for this?

[08:11:50]

Neeesat25:

Almost to every channel

[08:12:30]

Juski:

maybe install proper video drivers for your graphics card?

[08:12:55]

Neeesat25:

Aha

[08:13:20]

Neeesat25:

So thats the problem for it?

[08:13:31]

Neeesat25:

I thought it was for my dvb card

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Juski:

depends

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Juski:

have you tested the dvb card outside of mythtv?

[08:15:58]

Neeesat25:

but my dvb card it's working

[08:16:04]

Neeesat25:

even within myth

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Neeesat25:

just if I change channel I have this problem.

[08:16:37]

Neeesat25:

I have to go out of LiveTV and then get in again and it's fine

[08:16:38]

Juski:

for a short time you mean?

[08:16:55]

Juski:

oh I don't know then, sorry

[08:17:07]

Juski:

are you using 0.20-fixes ?

[08:17:12]

Neeesat25:

yes

[08:17:23]

Neeesat25:

latest

[08:17:34]

Neeesat25:

I took it yesterday

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Juski:

best thing I can suggest you do is email the -users list to see if anyone can shed light on the problem there, in the absence of anybody here knowing ;)

[08:18:19]

Neeesat25:

I am thinking using an older version and see

[08:18:26]

Juski:

oh man I feel like crap today

[08:18:32]

Neeesat25:

why

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Juski:

tired from the expo & travelling

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Neeesat25:

Where are you living?

[08:19:08]

Juski:

uk

[08:19:15]

Neeesat25:

north south?

[08:19:24]

Juski:

manchester

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Neeesat25:

nice place

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Neeesat25:

I have been there some years ago

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Juski:

nicer than London IMHO

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Neeesat25:

defenetly

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Neeesat25:

I was in London for 2 years

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Neeesat25:

some months at Dandee

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Juski:

heh. I'm definitely not in a good enough state yet to write my report about the mythtv booth there

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Neeesat25:

Dandee was the best

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Juski:

Dundee you mean ?

[08:20:32]

Neeesat25:

yes

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Neeesat25:

sorry

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Juski:

heh. no probs

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Juski:

it's reckoned that the further North you go in the UK, the friendlier people get

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Juski:

people you don't yet know, I mean

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Neeesat25:

yes I agree

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Neeesat25:

I have been also to aberteen

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Neeesat25:

I write it correct?

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Juski:

aberdeen ;)

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Juski:

morning scopeuk

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Neeesat25:

Sory Juski, It's been some years

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Juski:

damn I just can't make any sense of these notes I made on the train journey

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Neeesat25:

How was the meeting?

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Juski:

it was much more than a meeting

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Neeesat25:

any news about myth?

[08:23:06]

Juski:

we had a booth at the expo

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Neeesat25:

booth?

[08:23:47]

Juski:

a stand

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Neeesat25:

for Myth?

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Juski:

i.e. we were there showing MythTV to the world ;)

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Neeesat25:

Oh man I would like to be there

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Neeesat25:

I will be in London next week hopefully

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Juski:

it's good fun but seriously hard work

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Neeesat25:

Is there anything running for mythtv?

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Juski:

the expo ran for 2 days and ended yesterday

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Juski:

so all that's left are a few photos & our memories.. and soon my writeup

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Neeesat25:

hmm, Any place to see for MYTHTV?

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Juski:

nothing as far as I know

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Neeesat25:

Juski I know you dont like it but I am running MYTH connected to my encrypted card and it rocks

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scopeuk:

morning juski

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scopeuk:

damn it stubed my toe o nthe way to the kitchen

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Juski:

http://www.mythtvtalk.com/forum/album_cat.php?cat_id=7 for the photos I took

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Juski:

scopeuk: only one thing worse than that... standing on a 13 amp plug!

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scopeuk:

id say standing on cut cat 5

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scopeuk:

but 13 amp is harsh too

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** Juski is a bit worried about gbee. nobody's seen or heard anything about him since Wednesday night **

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scopeuk:

what did he do wednesday night?

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Juski:

he didn't look very well when I last saw him

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Neeesat25:

Juski: are you somewhere in thos photos?

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Juski:

just concerned about his wellbeing mostly.. hoping he got back to his hostel okay etc

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Juski:

Neeesat25: nope

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Neeesat25:

heh Holding the camera

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Juski:

not very photogenic, more like :-P

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Neeesat25:

I want to use a good vga card for composite out

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Neeesat25:

Which one you suggest?

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Juski:

anything like a nvidia fx5200 or similar really

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Neeesat25:

I can get nvidia fx6200

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Neeesat25:

you use the original drivers from nvidia for it?

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Juski:

fx5200 would be cheaper

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Juski:

yup

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Juski:

the open source ones don't work so well for me

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Neeesat25:

I cant get 5200 in Cyprus

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Neeesat25:

I can order it though

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Neeesat25:

Or can get it from UK

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Juski:

basically just about any card based on geforce 4 or better will do as long as it has TV out

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Juski:

they usually only have svideo outputs but come with an adapter to give you composite

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ikke_:

Neesat25: recommend not to take 6200, XvMC doesn't work too well with it. well, OSD.

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Neeesat25:

Oh thanks

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Neeesat25:

so the best is 5200

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Juski:

best value for money ;)

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Juski:

I'm gonna stop putting my neck on the line recommending hardware

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Juski:

there are too many variables

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scopeuk:

i liek the 5200s

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Neeesat25:

yes I know

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scopeuk:

not used one iwht my h yet but there a damn good card for the money

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scopeuk:

will sufice for games

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Juski:

games? what are they?

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Neeesat25:

It's something you in your free time

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Neeesat25:

he he

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Neeesat25:

If you have any

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scopeuk:

Juski its something i do inbetween eatign working sleaping and "socialising"

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scopeuk:

sometiems at the expense of the latter 2

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Neeesat25:

goto go , I will back later

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scopeuk:

kk l8r

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scopeuk:

Juski sometiems whould be a very bad idea for me to go talk to real people have quite the temper better taken out on vr charicters and inanimate objects

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scopeuk:

any way got a lecuter to go to

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scopeuk:

probably wont be back till tomoz afternooon l8rs guys

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Juski:

youre def. not a real student ;)

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Juski:

prolly on the road to a 1st with that attitude though

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Dagmar:

I just have one thing to say about that.

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Dagmar:

Smaller bodies bury more easily.

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Juski:

eh?

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Dagmar:

Just a way to deal with the "temper problem"

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Juski:

ahh

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Juski:

someone's writing another MythTV book, we found out yesterday

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Juski:

http://www.apress.com/book/bookDisplay.html?bID=10245

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Juski:

morn' Kelerion :)

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Kelerion:

morning :)

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Kelerion:

11am sleep in's... mmmmm ... better than last couple of days.. lol

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Juski:

started writing my essay today

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Kelerion:

the "report"?

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Juski:

yup

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Kelerion:

kk

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Juski:

I'll pass it round everyone when I'm done – probably loads of stuff other people can add

[10:09:30]

Kelerion:

rather you than me... if it involved more than a sentence or two.... I dinni wanna know

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Juski:

haha

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Kelerion:

hey...just noticed my google homepage has got tabs!... when'd that happen??

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Juski:

no idea. I have a bloody popup trojan to eradicate this weekend

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Juski:

how the hell I got it I'll never know

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ivor:

oh dear, a linux popup trojan? very rare.

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Juski:

my desktop doesn't run linux full-time (yet)

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Juski:

the shame, the shame...

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ivor:

whoooossshhhh.

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Juski:

hmm. I think about 600 words should sum up what we got up to...

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mchou:

!seen SlicerDicer

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MythLogBot:

SlicerDicer is here and has been idle for 4 days 14 hours 58 minutes 54 seconds

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mchou:

wow, ultra lame

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mchou:

Juski: that book sounds totally lame

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mchou:

Juski: sheesh, I should have gone off and written that book.

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mchou:

woulda had been more useful and complete

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Kelerion:

book?

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Kelerion:

what book?

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Juski:

Kelerion: the one Apress are doing

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Kelerion:

whats wrong with it?

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Kelerion:

those guys were *seriously* excited

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Juski:

we could do worse as a community than write one

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Juski:

ourselves, I mean

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Kelerion:

the woman told the guy to get over to her house and get it setup for her asap!

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Kelerion:

oh.. right...we have some experienced writers here?

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Juski:

no but with the right kind of guidance.. style tips etc...

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quicksilver:

Kelerion: but was she talking about mythtv at all?

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quicksilver:

:)

[10:46:45]

Kelerion:

quicksilver.. yeah.. lol

[10:46:49]

quicksilver:

it's very hard to see a community-written book all the way through to completion

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quicksilver:

not to put you off

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quicksilver:

if you think you can do it it would be really cool

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Juski:

after reading that Linux mag article yesterday I'd be concerned about it being absolutely correct in terms of facts

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quicksilver:

but a lot of work goes into a finished book

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Kelerion:

so surely the *best* thing would be to just be technical consultants to someone writing a book...making sure they did it right?

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Juski:

looking at the pedigree of the guys involved in it I don't have many doubts about it though

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Juski:

this is what they were talking about, I'm pretty sure.. http://www.apress.com/book/bookDisplay.html?bID=10245

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Juski:

and I think mchou's point is that they're calling it a _definitive_ guide but everything they say on the webpage seems to suggest it's not, IMHO

[10:51:39]

Kelerion:

yup..thats the one they mentioned

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Juski:

"creating your own themes for MythTV".. there's almost a book on its own in that

[10:53:39]

Juski:

course it's way too early to say anything for definite since nobody's laid eyes on any text from it ;)

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Juski:

nobody among us anyway

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Dagmar:

It's suprisingly annoying as hell to construct a new theme

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Kelerion:

where's it say it's definitive?

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Dagmar:

I'm going to have to dig up some tools to find out what the hell freetype thinks my lcars font is actually named so I can invoke it

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Juski:

Kelerion: image of the book cover

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Kelerion:

ahh

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Dagmar:

...and once I get the thing working, I'm going to upload it to the guys who run the slightly looney "LCARS Developer" site first, since they've clearly got more experience in dealing with UP's lawyers

[10:57:30]

Dagmar:

...judging by the fact that, well, their site still exists.

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Dagmar:

If it can go a month there without getting me sued I'll petition to have it added to the usual theme packk

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Juski:

Dagmar: got any screenshots so far?

[11:05:34]

Dagmar:

Nothing worth bothering with yet

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Dagmar:

I've manage to make some really hideous displays trying to cheat with that alpha channel stuff so that some of the elements blink pointlessly

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Juski:

eew

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gnuyen:

hi

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gnuyen:

i just upgraded to mythtv .20

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gnuyen:

and it says "2006-10–27 04:06:49.050 Upgrading to schema version 1153"

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Dagmar:

Right now it looks more like an LCD-influenced Mondrian accident than anything related to UFP

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gnuyen:

and just hangs

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Dagmar:

s/LCD/LSD/;

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gnuyen:

how do i fix this?

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AngryElf:

guys, i'm getting can't connect to mythbackend errors everywhere

[11:08:39]

AngryElf:

any ideas why...it's definitely running and the ip is set up correctly

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Dagmar:

Anything more specific than "can't connect"? ...and what did you just upgrade?

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Dagmar:

2006-10–27 Dagmar d'Surreal <rivyqntzne@tznvy.pbz >

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Dagmar:

Released revision 0.6.4-i686–10dl. (Dropline GNOME 2.16.1)

[11:09:09]

Dagmar:

* build: Yet another rebuild to replace the rc.networkmanager script

[11:09:09]

Dagmar:

one last freakin' time. IF you intend to send in a bug report, please

[11:09:09]

Dagmar:

make sure your problem is both reproducable as well as actually a

[11:09:09]

Dagmar:

problem with NM, because the number of people reporting problems which

[11:09:11]

Dagmar:

are due to bad kernels, etc, is simply staggering.

[11:09:13]

Dagmar:

* rc.networkmanager: Probably the final cleanup. The checks to just

[11:09:15]

Dagmar:

prevent NM from running on unsuitable machines has been moved into a

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Dagmar:

function named interface_sanity (so it wouldn't check when you're

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Dagmar:

trying to stop NM) and a number of other little cleanups took place.

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Dagmar:

@#$@

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AngryElf:

Dagmar, ubuntu 6.06 > 6.10 and myth .19>.20

[11:09:47]

Dagmar:

Okay... You did upgrade the backend and the frontend at the same time, yes?

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AngryElf:

it says can't connect to mythbackend...is the ip correct in the setup program

[11:09:54]

AngryElf:

Dagmar, yes

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gnuyen:

.19>.20?

[11:10:05]

Dagmar:

Okay, good. That's the #1 failure cause... Hmm...

[11:10:13]

Dagmar:

Is it saying anything in mythbackend.log?

[11:10:32]

Dagmar:

...like "rejecting client because it has cooties" or something

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Juski:

gnuyen: saying 'just hangs' is a little bit vague

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Juski:

dammit

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Juski:

ah well

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AngryElf:

man, i hate it when stuff "just starts working"

[11:14:32]

Dagmar:

lol

[11:14:35]

AngryElf:

i wanna know why dammit

[11:14:36]

CrocoJet:

good morning everyone

[11:14:46]

Dagmar:

I can sympathize, but I don't look a gift horse in the mouth, either

[11:15:42]

AngryElf:

so i have a stupid question....with this fancy smancy new mouse-enabled frontend.....is there suppose to be a mouse pointer or are you just suppose to guess what you're clicking on?

[11:15:58]

Dagmar:

There would be a mouse pointer if you had it set to on

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CrocoJet:

I am thinking to buy video capture board Pinnacle PC-TV Pro. Anyone knows if this board is good one or so so ?

[11:16:06]

Dagmar:

"Somewhere" in the setup menus

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CrocoJet:

I saw that board is recommended http://pvrhw.goldfish.org/tiki-page.php?pageName=pvrhw_tuners

[11:17:37]

Dagmar:

CrocoJet: I am not 100% sure, but if that's a BTTV-based card, then no, you don't want it

[11:18:07]

CrocoJet:

Dagmar, yes it is BTTV chipset

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Dagmar:

Life is MUCH easier with a card that supports hardware-accellerated compression

[11:18:24]

CrocoJet:

Dagmar, can you explain me why ?

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CrocoJet:

oh ok

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CrocoJet:

I have P4 3.0 Ghz dual core

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Dagmar:

For one thing, when you use a hardware-accellerated card, about a GHz drops off your system requirements.

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CrocoJet:

ok

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Dagmar:

For the other, the card encoding directly to MPG means you don't have to go and transcode everything OUT of NippleVideo format to watch it on something else

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Dagmar:

I've got my recordings directory just exported over NFS and SMB/CIFS just because I'm lazy sometimes

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Juski:

there are a few drawbacks to using BTTV tuners. for one thing with some cards you need a soundcard _per_ tuner to be able to record audio. For the ones with audio capture, it's usually only mono :-(

[11:20:56]

Dagmar:

CrocoJet: You probably want to aim for a Hauppauge PVR-150, which I know is not listed on that page... that's their mistake

[11:21:28]

CrocoJet:

http://www.pinnaclesys.com/PublicSite/us/Prod . . . +Pro+PCI.htm

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CrocoJet:

let me look about Hauppauge PVR-150, I dont know if works with PAL/M system color .. Brazil

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Dagmar:

Hmmm

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Dagmar:

http://www.hauppauge.com/pages/products/data_pvr150.html

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Dagmar:

Model 1046 is apparently PAL

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CrocoJet:

PAL is Europe System .. diferent PAL/M .. but I can buy NTSC version

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Dagmar:

Ah

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CrocoJet:

and Hauppauge PVR-150 is tottaly compatible with linux ?

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Dagmar:

Yep

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CrocoJet:

using fedora core 6 here

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CrocoJet:

ok

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Dagmar:

One note for the "cheapskates" about...

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CrocoJet:

"cheapskates" .. what is it ?

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Dagmar:

The only thing that "MCE" means on the model number is that it comes in a plain white box

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CrocoJet:

ok

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Dagmar:

People continually ask what the difference is between the PVR-150 and the PVR-150MCE (for example) because the latter will be like, $5 cheaper

[11:27:22]

Dagmar:

Heh. The price of them has actually gone up a bit since I last checked

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ServerSage:

Dagmar: If I'm not mistaken, the 150 does not do MPEG decoding/Encoding, correct?

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Dagmar:

For awhile they were down to about $60

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Dagmar:

ServerSage: no, it does. All the "PVR" cards do

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ServerSage:

Dagmar: So what is the diff between the 150, 250, and 350?

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Dagmar:

It doesn't do _decoding_. That would be the purview of the PVR-350, for people without an available slot for a video card

[11:28:14]

Merlin83b:

250 is old, 150 is it's replacement, 350 is also old and has tv out.

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Dagmar:

There's a page on the Wiki that explains that

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AngryElf:

okay, it's happening again after a reboot, nothing's showing up in the backend log because, well, the frontend isn't connecting to it

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AngryElf:

suggestions...comments? how about drop it out a window

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Dagmar:

Use `netstat -tunap` on the backend to make sure it's actually listening on a port, and then start the frontend

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AngryElf:

you mean: mythbackend `netstat -tuneap` ?

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Dagmar:

No

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Dagmar:

I mean just plain old `netstat -tunap` as root

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Dagmar:

Just do it AFTER you've started the backend

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Dagmar:

You can grep through the output for "myth" if you like

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AngryElf:

nope, nothing

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AngryElf:

which is what i figured

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Dagmar:

Okay so that's a serious issue if Mythbackend isn't actually binding any ports

[11:36:06]

Dagmar:

You should be seeing it listening on 1900, 6543, and 6544

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Dagmar:

...although 1900 is optional

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kenguru:

why mythtv-setup should be run in xwindows?

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kenguru:

i mean why there isn't a web interface for card tuning etc.

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Kelerion:

kenguru.. makes it easier setup for those who don't wanna install a webserver

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kenguru:

Kelerion, my server where the dvb-c card is in a closet without display attached.

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Kelerion:

so?

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Kelerion:

export the display or use vnc

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kenguru:

so that web interface would be nice alternative way to configure things.

[11:38:24]

karbas:

or cli-interface

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kenguru:

i use vnc but i was just thinking it.

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AngryElf:

Dagmar, i just found a mythbackendlog on the web that explicitly states if it can't bind ports....mine's not doing that

[11:39:28]

Dagmar:

I don't know what to tell you about that other than maybe go shoot someone from Ubuntu

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** Kelerion chuckles **

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Dagmar:

I'd move the old log out of the way, and start the backend with a fresh log just so you can see for sure what's happening in those first few moments

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Dagmar:

Add "-v all" to the list of arguments it's started with and kinda brace yourself

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Kelerion:

and then prepare to spend next 5 mins reading a lot :)

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Dagmar:

Thanks to "upstart" or whatever the hell they're using for init now, there's no telling whether or not the thing is being started before or after the network comes up

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Dagmar:

Ah better 5 minutes than 2 hours trying to stumble onto the cause by accident

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Kelerion:

true true

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AngryElf:

there's nothing unusual except the "newest schema" version is 1158 and the current version is 1160

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AngryElf:

other than that, it locks and unlocks the DB.....then selects a bunch of info.....nothin about ports

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Dagmar:

You don't have a copy of it installed in /usr/local or something else wacky do you?

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AngryElf:

DAMMIT, it bloddy works again

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AngryElf:

the only thing i've done, other than stop and start the backend/frontend in various orders is delete the log file

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AngryElf:

connection lost while using it — the backend is scrolling a lot of "first frame is no keyframe" warnings

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AngryElf:

ok, not sure why adding -v all makes things play nice, but if I go to watch live tv it tells me all the tuners are in use, odd, so i check the backend status, this crashes the backend

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Kelerion:

sounds all a bit screwed to Me

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Kelerion:

don't see anything like that here

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ServerSage:

AngryElf: Did it ever work correctly?

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AngryElf:

yea, with .19 :)

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Dagmar:

Shoot it, then find some ubuntu people and tell them you have bullets left over

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AngryElf:

not sure why it's their fault

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AngryElf:

i compiled from source

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Dagmar:

Ah

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Dagmar:

Get 0.20-fixes then

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CrocoJet:

back ... well here in Brazil, they do not sell hauppauge. :(

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CrocoJet:

It is more PixelView and Pinnacle

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CrocoJet:

any idea which model to buy ?

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CrocoJet:

Dagmar, can you help me to choice one model ?

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LLyric:

Do you have terrestial digital?

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Dagmar:

I don't "do" bttv cards anymore

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CrocoJet:

any model PixelView or Pinnacle here Brazil

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CrocoJet:

:(

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CrocoJet:

bttv cards no encoder mpeg2, it is ?

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CrocoJet:

and PCI 110I PINNACLE , is bad ?

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CrocoJet:

back ...

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fryfrog:

does anyone know of an ssh client like putty for linux?

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fryfrog:

something that will let me easily save 4or 5 port forwards?

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CrocoJet:

Dagmar, one quesation about WinTV PVR-150, how do you connect input audio in this board ? I did not see RCA input audio

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CrocoJet:

quesation = question .. sorry

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CrocoJet:

http://www.hauppauge.com/images/pvr150-250_ep_bg.jpg

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CrocoJet:

is not Stereo Board ?

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nero:

CrocoJet, that line in is where you connect in..

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nero:

(stereo audio)

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nero:

I dont have a PVR-150 myself, but I am pretty sure that is just a mini-plug input (like headphones) so you would just need an RCA->miniplug adapter.

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CrocoJet:

oh ok

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CrocoJet:

thanks

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CrocoJet:

brb

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seth|laptop:

clear

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seth|laptop:

ypuup

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seth|laptop:

no backspace

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LabMonkey:

CrocoJet: 1/8" stereo jacks have been around for decades

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stuarta:

is there a windoze irc client that doesn't suck?

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AngryElf:

in what DB table is the recording schedule stored?

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stuarta:

record

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stuarta:

recordmatch

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janneg:

stuarta: is there any other than mirc?

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AngryElf:

if I delete * from record; will that effectively remove all of my schedules?

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AngryElf:

or will it hose everything?

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stuarta:

normally use irssi on unix, but i'm going to do some new kernel testing...

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** stuarta looks at the db a bit more **

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fryfrog:

AngryElf: I nuked all but one, then used mythweb to delete the last one to make sure mythbackend cought the update

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fryfrog:

you may want to nuke one and make sure that is the right table

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AngryElf:

is there a mysql command that shows me only the column names?

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janneg:

stuarta: cygwin has probably irssi

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AngryElf:

there's too much data spewing out with select *

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janneg:

AngryElf: desc table

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AngryElf:

thanx

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stuarta:

janneg: don't have cygwin on this box atm...

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GreyFoxx:

stuarta: ssh to a linux box and use BitchX, irissi or ircii ?

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stuarta:

GreyFoxx: the one linux box is going into kernel testing :)

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stuarta:

hence the suffering in windows...

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GreyFoxx:

stuarta: Heh Want a shell for ircing ? :)

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stuarta:

i think i'll cope for a few hours... just...

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GreyFoxx:

heh

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AngryElf:

ahhh, someone got rid of that javascript alert when you delete a schedule....how wonderful :)

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stuarta:

this is a good start. both my dvb cards are recognized...

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dagfinnr:

hello. anyone using the via epia m10000 board here?

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AngryElf:

any reason why recording schedules aren't showing up in the upcoming recordings list?

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AngryElf:

hmm maybe because there are no tuners

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AngryElf:

grrr...db upgrade :(

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dagfinnr:

:)

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dagfinnr:

just looking for a good xorg.conf file for the m10000 board..anyone who could help me out?

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Merlin83b:

dagfinnr: http://pastebin.ca/224562

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Merlin83b:

PAL, using S-video

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dagfinnr:

ty merlin

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dagfinnr:

is it working good? flicker ?

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Merlin83b:

Works perfectly.

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Tommck:

I just tried to install mythtv 0.20 packages on ubuntu on a machine that has 0.19... when it tried to upgrade the database, it got an error because of the password. Can I just run the backend and it will try again?

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Juski:

ubuntu randomises the password and _should_ update a mysql.txt file with the new one

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Tommck:

Juski – the database already exists, so I have set the password

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Juski:

not if the mythtv-database package got installed too.. check all the mysql.txt files you can find

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Tommck:

Juski – it failed installing the database package

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Tommck:

dpkg: error processing mythtv-database (--configure):

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Tommck:

subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1

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Juski:

because the mythtv user already existed, maybe

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Tommck:

do you think it would work if I ran mythbackend?

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Juski:

I just build from source on my ubuntu box. way less hassle long term

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dagfinnr:

Merlin83b, you have colored usd? or black and white?

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Juski:

Tommck: find all the mysql.txt files on your box, trying the one in /etc/mythtv first and see if what's in there agrees with what you think the mythtv mysql password is

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Merlin83b:

usd?

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Tommck:

Juski – ahh.. I see .. it changed it

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Juski:

won't say I told you so

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Tommck:

:)

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** seth|laptop can't find lame for xubunut amd64, can't build mythtv frommsource **

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seth|laptop:

xubuntu even

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** Juski is off to show cesman some sights. what there are of them **

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seth|laptop:

hey, thank cecil for me, hehe

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Zider:

seth|laptop: that's lame :P

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seth|laptop:

knoppmyth rulz

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Juski:

I'll pass it on, to which he'll probably agree.

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Juski:

;)

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seth|laptop:

hehe

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Tommck:

Juski – /etc/init.d/mythbackend start is not working... spitting out no information ... just exiting.

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dagfinnr:

Merlin83b, prv msg

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Merlin83b:

Send again, I just identified.

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Tommck:

So... mythtv-database won't install because the user mythtv already exists... but... I can't wipe it out.. why isn't this handled in the package?

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Dagmar:

Tommck: Who made the package and why aren't you asking them that?

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dagfinnr:

ok, i have sent again

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Merlin83b:

I haven't got it – are you identified to nickserv? You can't send a pm unless you are.

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Tommck:

Dagmar – well... it's an ubuntu official package... and I have no idea how these things are put together. I would also expect that people in here know a lot more about it than the 5 million people in #ubuntu

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Merlin83b:

dagfinnr: Hint: You're not identified at the moment :)

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dagfinnr:

ok, then we can take it here.. you have color on you osd/program info while watching recordings/live tv?

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Merlin83b:

I do.

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Merlin83b:

You probably want to do the colour overlay OSD thingy.

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dagfinnr:

you have an osd ?

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dagfinnr:

an howto i mean..

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Merlin83b:

That's a myth config, not an X config thing.

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dagfinnr:

ah

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Merlin83b:

It's one setting...

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dagfinnr:

can you tell me this setting :)

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Merlin83b:

Go into Mysql and UPDATE settings SET data=1 WHERE value='UseChromaKeyOSD';

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dagfinnr:

hm..affected 0 rows ..

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Merlin83b:

SELECT * FROM settings WHERE value='UseChromaKeyOSD';

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** Merlin83b does SQL through IRC **

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dagfinnr:

i dont have this value in the settings table

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Merlin83b:

Very well, insert it :)

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dagfinnr:

what value you have on hostname on that row?

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dagfinnr:

NULL or the actual hostname?

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Dagmar:

Merlin83b: not to pester, but is that SQL command mentioned in the Wiki somewhere?

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Dagmar:

Nevermind, it is--it's at http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/XvMC

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Dagmar:

Good stuff.

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dagfinnr:

oh..ok

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dagfinnr:

but now i have flicker on the osd.. where can i set the flicker filters in 0.20 ? i remember in the earlier version there was one setting where you could enable misc filters?

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dagfinnr:

Merlin83b, did your conf. file fill the whole tv-screen?

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dagfinnr:

its kindof centered here..with approx 1–2cm black on all sides

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Merlin83b:

Fills it for me, but the overscan and stuff is set up within myth, not the X config file.

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Merlin83b:

I did have to play with that.

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dagfinnr:

ah

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dagfinnr:

if i use another conf file, the screen overfilles

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dagfinnr:

Merlin83b, what linux distro are you using?

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Merlin83b:

KnoppMyth

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dagfinnr:

ok

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CrocoJet:

dagfinnr, what is your video board ? (tv capture ?)

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Dagmar:

Merlin83b: The overscan settings inside Myth don't add padding to edges of the configuration dialog screens, right?

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dagfinnr:

and..did u set any filters in mythtv?

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GreyFoxx:

12% [===> ] 26,419,136 1.83M/s ETA 01:22

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GreyFoxx:

Damn, gotta love that

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dagfinnr:

CrocoJet: pvr150

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CrocoJet:

ok

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Merlin83b:

Dagmar: I believe there's a seperate setting that does. I haven't touched that stuff for months since I got it working though.

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dagfinnr:

how come CrocoJet?

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Merlin83b:

dagfinnr: Do you mean deinterlace things?

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CrocoJet:

anyone have idea if good buy one tv capture ubs2 ?

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dagfinnr:

Merlin83b, yeah i know..but i cant find it in the new version.. i had an old version, and it was working fine there..but now i cant find it

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Dagmar:

Merlin83b: Okay, I never really seemed to have those settings do much, but I thought they were for video playback stuff at the time, which at least I know now is not the case

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dagfinnr:

Merlin83b. maybe..earlier you could set bob and weave filters etc

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CrocoJet:

dagfinnr, hard to find pvr150 here Brazil

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Merlin83b:

Dagmar: Long time ago like I said :)

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Merlin83b:

dagfinnr: I play back on a TV (interlaced device) so I don't do deinterlacing.

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dagfinnr:

Merlin83b, yeah same here..but i have some flickering ..not on the livetv..but on the osd and in the settings meny etc

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Merlin83b:

Is you resolution set correctly, dagfinnr?

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dagfinnr:

i use 720x576

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dagfinnr:

thats standard pal isnt it?

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EvilGuru:

I am not sure where my problem lies, but I get a very snowy picture (seems as if there is a lot of noise) with a pvr-150, but if I plug it into a TV with the same frequencies everything is fine

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dagfinnr:

EvilGuru, i have some of that on only 1 of the channels..weird..i havent figured out how to fix it yet tho..

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Merlin83b:

It is, dagfinnr. Using S-video?

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EvilGuru:

it is a strange, as using a normal cheap tv the quality is fine, but plug it into my mythtv box and the quality is awful, is this an ivtv thing?

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dagfinnr:

Merlin83b, yep..

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Merlin83b:

dagfinnr: I have heard that component will get rid of that, but I'm not at all sure.

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dagfinnr:

Merlin83b, i am using bot this time

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dagfinnr:

if i use only s-video i get crappy pic..and if i use both..i get a nice pic..but with some flickering

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Merlin83b:

Are you sure you're using component, not composite?

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Viking1:

can we talk about externcam_0 stuff here?

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dagfinnr:

in the tv settings..playback ..you can set custom filters..anyone have tried this?

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dagfinnr:

Merlin83b, well, no .. it is composite i think

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Merlin83b:

It has one wire, it's composite :)

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Merlin83b:

I said component may rid you of your flickery stuff.

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dagfinnr:

so what is component then? :p

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Merlin83b:

It's the one with three inputs – to use it with an M10k you need to do some clever wiring with a VGA-SCART cable :)

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dagfinnr:

:P

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dagfinnr:

cool, i enables some filters, and now the cpu usage is 10% on mythfrontend and approx 10% with ivtv.. earlier it was 30% with mythfrontend

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Merlin83b:

Cool, what did you turn on?

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Merlin83b:

Only xvmc made that kind of difference for me.

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dagfinnr:

i added kerneldeint,denoise3d=12 and the playback settings..

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dagfinnr:

custom filter

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dagfinnr:

Merlin83b: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Using_pl . . . ying_filters

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Merlin83b:

Cool.

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Merlin83b:

I'll stick with no filter and carry on loving DVB-T :)

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EvilGuru:

would anyone be happy to look at a quick 10 second capture I made to see if it is just me who thinks the quality is bad?

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dagfinnr:

:)

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mjelva:

have any of you installed lirc for an imon device, and could be arsed to guide me through it?

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dagfinnr:

so Merlin83b, in x.. you have completely filled screen there

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dagfinnr:

?

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mjelva:

i've tried several guides, but i get errors, and i can't resolve them

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dagfinnr:

or just in myht

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dagfinnr:

myth

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EvilGuru:

http://www.witherden.org/~freddie/test.mpg

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Merlin83b:

dagfinnr: The box only does myth to my TV.

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dagfinnr:

what you mean?

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Merlin83b:

I never see X :)

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dagfinnr:

you directly start myth? or how have you solved that?

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Merlin83b:

It should do next time it has to reboot :)

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Merlin83b:

I tend to fire it up from an SSH session in screen and leave it :)

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EvilGuru:

anyone think that the quality is a bit sub-standard?

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Merlin83b:

How big is the file, EvilGuru?

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EvilGuru:

3.2 mb

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dagfinnr:

i think what i am looking for is XvMC Deinterlace filters. Where to set these in myth?

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EvilGuru:

it is only 5 seconds worth

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Merlin83b:

EvilGuru: File size, not duration.

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Merlin83b:

Oh sorry

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Merlin83b:

Grabbing it now.

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Merlin83b:

dagfinnr: Just setting bob from the FE setup should work, I think.

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dagfinnr:

FE?

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Merlin83b:

FrontEnd

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dagfinnr:

yeah..but i cant find it

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Merlin83b:

Erm, setup, playback settings I think.

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Merlin83b:

EvilGuru: Can't load the file.

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dagfinnr:

Merlin83b, can you check for me? setup -> tv -> playback . .i cant seem to find it there ..

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Merlin83b:

I can't, I'm at "work" at the moment :)

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dagfinnr:

lol :P

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EvilGuru:

Merlin83b: Plays fine here, have no idea what it is encdoed with (cat of /dev/video0)

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Merlin83b:

It'll be mpg2, but I can't view it.

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EvilGuru:

anyone else able to view it?

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dagfinnr:

is there any ivtv tool or something to set the brightness/contrast for all channels?

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stuarta:

what the other alternative to kaffeine for testing the dvb card installation?

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Juski:

re.... bastard traffic scupperred my plan

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janneg:

stuarta: ?zap -r && mplayer /dev/dvb/adapter?/demux?

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Juski:

stuarta: tzap & m.. duh :)

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Juski:

mplayer /dev/dvb/adapter$/dvr$ IIRC

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janneg:

Juski: you're probably right

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Juski:

never done it with demux before.. would that give you the whole transport ?

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Juski:

anyway I definitely know dvr works

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Juski:

cesman flies back to the USA tomorrow. thought he was staying longer than that. gonna go back to bashing my report into shape

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janneg:

Juski: no, iirc it is the file to control the card drivers demuxer. so I mixed it up

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stuarta:

duh!

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janneg:

stuarta: tzap && dvbsnoop -s pidscan or something esle might be another possibility if you have just the console

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stuarta:

damn. new kernel doesn't like the 1st card...

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Juski:

tzap is a good indicator in itself though.. if it gets a lock, generally all is well

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stuarta:

or the 2nd card... why won't these buggers get a lock under this kernel

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janneg:

yeah, or dvbscan

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janneg:

stuarta: which kernel?

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stuarta:

2.6.18

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janneg:

that has afaik no known problems

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janneg:

but you can ask in #linuxtv

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stuarta:

it should work... i'll apply the trout more firmly

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** stuarta would like to be able to do that **

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janneg:

I will report how it works out. unfortunately the nova-t 500 driver/hardware is quite unstable

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stuarta:

that's a start. load only the drivers for the bt8xx card and I can tzap.

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Juski:

stuarta, Kelerion .. wanna proofread the report?

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Juski:

bugger. formatting is all screwed up

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stuarta:

Juski: sure. drop it in the email

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** stuarta remembers his mail server isn't talking to the world cause he's testing new kernels **

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Juski:

I've put the text in a dark corner of my webshite

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stuarta:

Juski: one comment i'd add is that what we all felt (from our discussions in the pub) that anything that can be done to make myth easier to install is a good thing...

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Juski:

yeah I agree. was tricky thinking of stuff to put in my notes on the train

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Juski:

what the hell is up with wordpress today? grr

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Juski:

better take that page down for a bit before the spiders get it

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Juski:

so stuarta apart from that bit it all looks ok to you? I'll pass it by the other guys before doing anything else with it

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robbins876:

I'm trying to update my system with yum in FC6, but i'm running into this problem... Error: Missing Dependency: liblzo.so.1 is needed by package transcode

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robbins876:

how can i find out what package i need to install to resolve that issue?

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stuarta:

Juski: that was the only thing that came to mind.

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Dagmar:

robbins876: rpmfind.net

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Juski:

stuarta: cool – thanks for checking it over :)

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Anduin:

robbins876: get the fc6 transcode

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Dagmar:

Anduin: But that would go against the principle of using RPMS... that people should be able to dig up packages from FTP sites in Bolivia and install them and everything will just work itself out

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Anduin:

Dagmar: If only that were true

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emily_:

Can someone suggest a good tutorial on getting a USB Microsoft MCE remote to work in myth?

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Borromini:

hello

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Juski:

hi Borromini

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emily_:

hi Borromini

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** Juski is shocked to learn how many people are reading his blog **

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GreyFoxx:

hehe how many ? What's the URL ?:)

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Juski:

GreyFoxx: over 900 since I started it

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stuarta:

damn useless windoze client

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GreyFoxx:

hehe

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Juski:

which is pretty much more than my webshite gets

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BULLE:

what repository do you guys recommend for ubuntu, to get mythtv from ?

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Juski:

stuarta: GAIM?

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superm1:

BULLE dapper or edgy?

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Juski:

GreyFoxx: it's linked to from my homeypage

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Juski:

screw it... might aswell.. http://mythtvguy.wordpress.com

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BULLE:

superm1: i havent installed anything yet, so its not that important, the one that works the best =)

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BULLE:

for some definition of best, that i dont know of

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superm1:

Well i've gotten it packaged into edgy in universe/multiverse

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stuarta:

Juski: yeah, i'm testing kernels, so i'm on irc from the laptop

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superm1:

and i started a wiki page explaining installatoin

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BULLE:

superm1: oh, nice

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superm1:

i'll link you to it and you can see whats involved

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Juski:

better make something to eat so I don't get bashed over the head for 'doing nowt' all day

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BULLE:

superm1: yes please

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superm1:

BULLE, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV

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superm1:

Click the edgy link

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BULLE:

superm1: im basicly going to install a new mythtv box pretty soon, and am considering using ubuntu on it

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Juski:

superm1: wiki.mythtv.org :)

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seth|laptop:

hey, does anyone know the package from sourceforge that would contain liblame ?

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seth|laptop:

I can't seem to get it for my ubuntu amd64 dapper, hence, no mythtv

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superm1:

Juski, the howtos on wiki.mythtv.org are pretty dated and don't reflect a lot of things that I pushed to get into edgy

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Juski:

_please_ put howto stuff into the official wiki if you can

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Juski:

wiki won't update itself ;)

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Juski:

better for everybody to have a central place for all the info, don't you think though? While it's admirable folks document it....

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superm1:

Juski, i've already got a fair amount of info on the ubuntu documentation wiki for myth. i'll link for now on the myth wiki

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BULLE:

a link is indeed way better then old info

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superm1:

BULLE, if you come across any questions, or confusions or things that aren't explained well though, please let me know.

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superm1:

Juski, depending how compatible the wiki syntax is though, we'll see how bad it will be to mirror the information once its finished up here

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BULLE:

superm1: aye, havent made up my mind on what linux distribution i will use, but it seems im going to pick either ubuntu or fedora

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twisty7867:

fwiw I am working on fresh myth install on fresh ubuntu install and it's been pretty smooth

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superm1:

well ubuntu has been missing out on a maintainer for ages, i'm doing what I can to make it a fairly painless process :)

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Borromini:

emily_ any progress? :)

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emily_:

Borromini: yes, it's all working now except for my remote! :-)

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Borromini:

wow

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Borromini:

that's nice

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Borromini:

what card you got emily_ ?

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Borromini:

and what was the problem then?

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emily_:

Borromini: a pvr-150

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robbins876:

good luck with the pvr-150 remote.. that's all i can say

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emily_:

it was a permissions issue in /dev/v4l/linux.

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emily_:

robbins876: the remote is a microsoft MCE remote

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robbins876:

oh, that's cake then

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robbins876:

it's what i use with the pvr-150

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Borromini:

so i was right about the permissions then :-)

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Borromini:

how did you fix it emily_ – with udev rules?

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emily_:

robbins876: really? glad to hear :-) I'll most likely be asking for help in a bit. But I should try it myself first before bugging anyone..

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** Borromini <3 udev rules **

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emily_:

Borromini: nope, just a chmod

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Borromini:

heh

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Borromini:

and that's permanent?

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Borromini:

you already rebooted? :P

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emily_:

Borromini: well, it still works..havn't rebooted yet

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robbins876:

you know... dairyqueen has great chilidogs... and i want some.

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emily_:

<-- is hungry

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Juski:

links are great as long as they're not broken ;)

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Borromini:

lol

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robbins876:

man, check out this error. http://pastebin.ca/224883

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emily_:

emerging lirc...failed

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emily_:

of course, should I expect anything else *eyeroll*

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Borromini:

emily_ what kernel?

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Borromini:

i thought you were hungry? :P

[17:02:43]

Juski:

the recent users mailing list posting about a search engine pool looked interesting

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emily_:

Borromini: 2.6.17

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Borromini:

k

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superm1:

Juski, OK. all linked up on the main Operating Systems page on mythtv wiki

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Borromini:

emily_ phpfi the error?

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emily_:

it's saying --with-driver=hauppage is no longer allowed

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Borromini:

the whole error

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Borromini:

heh

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Borromini:

check ./configure --help then

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** Borromini doesn't know anything about lirc **

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Juski:

emily_: I never got lirc to work out of portage. just built it myself

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Juski:

superm1: that's appreciated :)

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Borromini:

however emily_ if you can spare some time later on i'd like to know if you can help me with setting up my PVR500 – which are essentially 2 PVR150s on one card :)

[17:03:53]

emily_:

oh boy..alright...let me see here

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robbins876:

Borromini, got any answers for that pastebin i just put up?

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robbins876:

or Juski?

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emily_:

Borromini: what error are you getting?

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Borromini:

emily_ i can't run live tv :(

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Borromini:

i get a shitload of errors in the command line :P

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Borromini:

although i thought i set up my card right

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Borromini:

i'll show them later, ok? :)

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Juski:

robbins876: someone had that same error last night

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Borromini:

thanks :-)

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robbins876:

Yeah, it was me!

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emily_:

hmm...ok, I'll do what I can..I'm still sort of a noob to all this

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superm1:

does anyone know offhand – do knoppmyth and mythdora ship ivtv firmware on the disk?

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robbins876:

then i ran into all sorts of problems with my kernel and gave up for the night

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Juski:

superm1: AFAIK they do

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Borromini:

what kernel you got robbins876 ?

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Borromini:

emily_ me too :P

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Borromini:

and you're further than i am ;-)

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superm1:

Juski, do they have written permission from Hauggpauge to do so? As in has hauggpauge given general distribution permissions, or are they exclusive cases?

[17:06:33]

Juski:

superm1: no idea. I'd guess they'd have to

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superm1:

hehe, i'll poke around in #knoppmyth and see if I can find out

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jams:

knoppmyth has special permission

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superm1:

jams, Oh.

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Juski:

makes sense, and cesman isn't daft :)

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jams:

I read somewhere that hauggpauge now allows distribution of the firmware, but thats don't know

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superm1:

jams, if they allow distribution of the firmware now, that would be great. by chance do u remember where you read that?

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jams:

somewhere in the mythtv-users mailing list

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superm1:

Ok. i'll see what I can find about it

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Juski:

personally I'd check with Hauppauge themselves

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superm1:

i emailed them, but they never responded

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Juski:

phone works better than email I usually find

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awilkins:

stuarta: Hello, did you receive my log files?

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Juski:

hearsay from a mailing list wouldn't be any kind of legal defence ;)

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Borromini:

Dagmar you there?

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Borromini:

tengo una pregunta

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stuarta:

awilkins: believe so. haven't had much of a chance to look at them, been busy promoting myth at linuxworld expo

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awilkins:

stuarta: Meh, I've been at a conference, but it was not nearly so exciting.

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stuarta:

from memory, it looks like the only thing in the stream was the dummy video stream that is used until the channel starts providing it's own video

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emily_:

when I run irw: "connection refused"...

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emily_:

what is lircmd?

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superm1:

lirc mouse daemon i believe

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Anduin:

emily_: Usually happens when the actual lirc device driver didn't load (or didn't find the hardware)

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emily_:

Anduin: I see.. when I run irw it brings me right back to a prompt. It's refusing the connection when I try running it again

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emily_:

superm1: ahh..thanks

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Anduin:

emily_: pvr 150?

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emily_:

Anduin: MCE remote

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Anduin:

emily_: did you dmesg when and check that the driver load was successful?

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emily_:

Anduin: no..good point..let me check

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emily_:

Anduin: how would I know? It didn'g give an error...so I'm guessing it loaded properly

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levander:

This 4 pin connector on the retail heat sink fan for the Core 2 Duo, how long have motherboards had four pin connectors on them for fans?

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Borromini:

emily_ do dmesg | tail

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Borromini:

to see the latest info from dmesg

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emily_:

Anduin: Borromini ok...

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emily_:

Borromini: ok...

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kormoc:

levander, been able to for a long time, but most don't

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emily_:

*blush* sorry about that

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Borromini:

:-)

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Borromini:

np

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Borromini:

we all learn everyday

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levander:

kormoc: what about Intel 945 chipset based boards, would they?

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emily_:

Borromini: no errors

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Borromini:

k

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Borromini:

should be okay then

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kormoc:

levander, some likely do, some likely don't.

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RaYmAn-Bx:

presumably you can get some kind of converter if necessary...

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levander:

You know I just called Asus support to ask about the P5LD2, but it was like the volume was so low on their end, I thought the guy said "Yes sir, it does". But, after I hung up I was like, "wait a minute! did he say, 'no sir, it dotn't'"?

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levander:

Pisses me off.

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levander:

Who has a support phone where the volume's turned down so low, the other end can't hear you?

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RaYmAn-Bx:

companies that prefer not providing useful support? :)

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levander:

RaYmAn-Bx: grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

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emily_:

how do I make sure I have the right lircd.conf

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levander:

I got to wait for my cell phone to charge before calling back. I was having to like lean way forward so the cord could stay plugged in while I was talking to them.

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kormoc:

www.formfactors.org/ developer%5Cspecs%5CREV1_2_Public.pdf <-- pinout specs for 4 pin fan connectors

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levander:

Oh, damn I thought I was in the hardware channel..........

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levander:

sorry guys

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kormoc:

basically pins 3 and 4 are optional

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kormoc:

3 is the sensor channel

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kormoc:

4 is the speed control channel

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RaYmAn-Bx:

that's a neat idea.

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RaYmAn-Bx:

seems a bit better than regulating voltage

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kormoc:

Aye, it works out quite well

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levander:

kormoc: I want that speed control to control noise

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levander:

Does anyone have one of these Asus graphics cards (nVidia 7300 for me) with an HDTV out? Can you also use the HDTV out as just a regular component out?

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levander:

Asus said you could configure it to just be a component out using the software, but that's probably XP software.

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fryfrog:

why would you ahve 4 wires on a fan?

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fryfrog:

+, -, rpm and...?

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kormoc:

well, you can't really just ask if a specific chipset supports it or not, as well, chipsets can support it for a long time, it's purely if the mobo maker puts it on or not

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levander:

fryfrog: the fourth wire is for speed control

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kormoc:

fryfrog, control

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fryfrog:

ah

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fryfrog:

so you can *probably* plug a 4 wire fan into a 3 wire slot

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kormoc:

levander, yes, you can use the HDTV out on nvidia cards as hdtv out

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kormoc:

fryfrog, of course you can, I already went over that :P

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kormoc:

fryfrog, but he wants the noise control

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fryfrog:

i mean, motherboards have been able to control fan speed w/o a 4th wire so what is even the point?

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levander:

kormoc: noooooooooooooo, I'm asking if I can use the HDTV out as a regular component out under Linux and myth

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kormoc:

levander, as opposed to using it as?

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kormoc:

levander, my 6200 has component out, what else would that output do?

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fryfrog:

sorry, i scrolled past half the chat

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fryfrog:

you already talked about it all :)

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fryfrog:

emily_: you have having lirc issues now?

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levander:

kormoc: regular component out is 480i. HDTV starts at resolution of 480p. Or, some even start it by definition at 108i, depends on who you talk to.

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emily_:

fryfrog: yes. Just checked my dmesg...says to reboot, so I guess I'll see you all on the other side...

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levander:

kormoc: HDTV can go over component, or you can output a lower resolution that's below HDTV specs.

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fryfrog:

emily_: have you edited the "ivtv" module config?

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fryfrog:

emily_: "nano -w /etc/modules.d/ivtv

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kormoc:

levander, okay, and so your question is?

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fryfrog:

at the bottom, might be something that is commented out

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fryfrog:

something like alias char-major-61 lirc_i2c

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fryfrog:

add above ivtv lirc_dev lirc_i2c

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fryfrog:

oops

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emily_:

yes

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fryfrog:

sorry paste

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fryfrog:

are they # or not?

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levander:

kormoc: the first thing I asked about this was: "Does anyone have one of these Asus graphics cards (nVidia 7300 for me) with an HDTV out? Can you also use the HDTV out as just a regular component out?"

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emily_:

that add line is #

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fryfrog:

remove the # :)

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emily_:

ok

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fryfrog:

that is what tells the ivtv module to load up the lirc stuff for it

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emily_:

thanks

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fryfrog:

now...

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fryfrog:

rmmod all those ivtv modules

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kormoc:

levander, ahh, yeah, you can set the component out to any res you want that the card supports, and SD is one of those reses

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fryfrog:

tuner, saa7112

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fryfrog:

etc, etc

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kormoc:

levander, it's all documented in the nvidia driver readme

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fryfrog:

do you remember them, from yesterday?

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levander:

kormoc: call, i'll check out that readme

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emily_:

rmmod my lirc stuff too?

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levander:

kormoc: wait, can you give me a link to it?

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fryfrog:

yeah

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fryfrog:

should be about 8 or 10 modules in total

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emily_:

fryfrog: won't let me...says it's in use.

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fryfrog:

find the one that is using it

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kormoc:

levander, http://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/ . . . E/index.html

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emily_:

dmesg is saying lirc crashed and I have to reboot..

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fryfrog:

should be in the "used by" column

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levander:

kormoc: great, thanks for your help

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kormoc:

levander, for future reference, it's on nvidia's website and included in their driver download

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fryfrog:

emily_: don't believe it :)

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kormoc:

you're welcome

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fryfrog:

emily_: pastebin.ca your lsmod, i'll show you the modules to remove

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Borromini:

guys will installing the nvidia 3d drivers give any benefit as to playback?

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fryfrog:

it'll get glx working faster

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kormoc:

Borromini, it tends to, nvidia has their own video filters that tend to make videos look quite nice if you use their tv out

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fryfrog:

i spose *it* could make playback better, if you use xvmc?

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fryfrog:

using the nvidia drivers is the way to go, if you have an nvidia card

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Borromini:

okay kormoc thanks :-)

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kormoc:

Borromini, and it'll give you hardware Xv and XvMC

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Borromini:

i'll do that then

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Borromini:

nice

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kormoc:

you're welcome

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emily_:

fryfrog: http://phpfi.com/168331

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fryfrog:

oh shit

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fryfrog:

pvr150...

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emily_:

fryfrog: what?

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emily_:

fryfrog: no...it's a MCE remote

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fryfrog:

how does the irlead plug in?

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fryfrog:

oh?

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emily_:

fryfrog: usb

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fryfrog:

damnit

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fryfrog:

sorry :(

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emily_:

fryfrog: the card is a PVR-150 but the remote is an MCE remote

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fryfrog:

re-comment that line in /etc/modules.d/ivtv

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kormoc:

emily_, it's a MCEUSB2 remote by chance?

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Borromini:

guys i have a question for my mythtv setup

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emily_:

kormoc: I think so...it doesn't match either of the pictures in the wiki I was useing

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fryfrog:

i've not used one of those, sorry :(

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Anduin:

emily_: lsusb and pastebin it

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Borromini:

i'm running mythtv-setup and i have to set up the input connections for my PVR500.... but i have like 10 possible input connections???

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Borromini:

do i set those all up for my video source?

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kormoc:

emily_, http://www.geexbox.org/img/remote_mceusb_en.png ?

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emily_:

http://phpfi.com/168335 <--lsusb

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emily_:

kormoc: mine is identical except i has four buttons across the top, between the on button and the stop button. "my tv, my music, my pictures, and my videos"

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kormoc:

huh

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emily_:

fryfrog: are you saying I have to reboot now?

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kormoc:

I wonder if my config would work

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emily_:

kormoc: mine is identical to that remote, but it has four more buttons.

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emily_:

kormoc: If you want to pastebin it I'd be happy to try it

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Borromini:

can anyone tell me? i have like 10 input connections apparently, 5 for each tuner...

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fryfrog:

emily_: sorry, i don't know. i doubt you ned to reboot, but it isn't like it'll take long :/

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fryfrog:

Borromini: pvr500?

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Borromini:

hrm five for each recorder

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Borromini:

yes fryfrog

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Borromini:

i only use the cable input...

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fryfrog:

which are you trying to use?

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Borromini:

PVR500

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kormoc:

emily_, http://kormoc.homelinux.org/lircd.conf

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Borromini:

well i'm trying to get livetv going

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kormoc:

emily_, http://kormoc.homelinux.org/lircrc

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fryfrog:

right, but you want to use the tuner?

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Borromini:

no workie up till now

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Borromini:

fryfrog yes :)

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fryfrog:

bind a channel line up to the TUNER one

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kormoc:

emily_, the second file is my mythtv lircrc conf

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fryfrog:

leave the svideo, composite ones blank

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Borromini:

channel line?

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emily_:

kormoc: thank you

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Borromini:

okay fryfrog i set the tuners to my video source, i blanked the rest

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kormoc:

emily_, you're welcome

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Borromini:

what do you mean with binding a channel line ?

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Borromini:

do i have to put in a frequency or sth? the explanations say that's only if you need an external tuner

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emily_:

ok...rebooting...

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Borromini:

fryfrog ?

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Borromini:

channel line = video source?

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Borromini:

sry man but english is not my mothertongue :)

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EvilGuru:

where is the playback menu?

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Juski:

EvilGuru: you mean you've not gone into utilities/setup > setup > tv > playback .. that one?

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Juski:

or do you mean 'watch recordings' which lives in 'media library'?

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Juski:

(in the default view of most if not all themes)

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stuarta:

wtf does mdadm think /dev/hda is part of the array when clearly it isn't...

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quicksil1er:

ssh window on wrong machine?

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quicksil1er:

cfdisk /dev/hda <SHIT> <WRONG MACHINE> <CTRL C>

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fryfrog:

Borromini: channel lineup is what you get from data direct or xmltv

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Borromini:

okay

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Borromini:

i assume that is just the video source then?

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Borromini:

you use a pvr500 yourself fryfrog ?

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Juski:

ahhh shit. my usb hub, network switch & headphones are soaked in shower gel

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D-side:

ew wtf

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Juski:

shower gel bottle exploded in my bag

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Juski:

won't be using any of that gear for a while then...

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D-side:

oh god thats horrible

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Juski:

not til it's all been doused in Ultrasolv

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Juski:

just the foam pads of the phones thankfully

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Juski:

or it'd be like "new sennheisers please..."

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Borromini:

:-)

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Juski:

they make me look like a dick on the train but by god they sound nicer than earbuds

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Borromini:

so if i get it right... if i set up mythtv-setup right, run mythbackend, i should be able to watch tv, right?

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Borromini:

can anybody check this? this is my error output when i try to run livetv: http://phpfi.com/168346

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Borromini:

the frontend says 'unable to initialise video'

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ErikTheRed:

hopefully this is an easy question

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ErikTheRed:

i'm in the process of setting up mysql/phpmyadmin for mythtv

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ErikTheRed:

except i can't seem to access localhost/phpmyadmin

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ErikTheRed:

it always asks me if i want to download the file

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ErikTheRed:

both konqueror and firefox are having this problem

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emily__:

irw still isn't working....

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Juski:

Borromini: do you know if your tuner works in linux outside of mythtv?

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Borromini:

yes

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Borromini:

if i do mplayer /dev/video0

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Borromini:

as regular user

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Juski:

ErikTheRed: it's an apache/php configuration issue. check a howto for phpmyadmin for stuff to look for

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Borromini:

it works fine

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Juski:

Borromini: have you got the proper drivers for your VGA card installed?

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Borromini:

Juski i had udev assign the device(s) to the 'video' group, i'm part of that

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Borromini:

Juski you think i better install nvidia 3D drivers first?

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Borromini:

let me check

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Borromini:

i have the 'nv' driver installed

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Borromini:

should be okay no?

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Juski:

not in my experience, no

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Borromini:

okay

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Borromini:

i'll install the nvidia one then

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Borromini:

didn't know that was required

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Juski:

grab the nvidia binary drivers & get them installed with glx workign

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Borromini:

k

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Juski:

I've always used the binary ones & I've never seen that error. not saying it's definitely the cause, and I _am_ still a bit fuzzy round the edges so I could be wrong

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emily__:

fixed it

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Juski:

emily__: what was it? lircd listening to the wrong device?

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Borromini:

okay i'll try :)

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emily__:

Juski: yup.../etc/conf.d/lircd had the wrong device in it

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Juski:

emily__: nice one! :)

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Juski:

wow. uk_rt is a bit screwed up today

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Juski:

wth?! credits element: Wide character in print at /usr/lib/perl5/5.8.7/i686-linux/IO/Handle.pm line 399.

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charlieS:

so I have directv.. should I wait until I get channel changing working, then run the "discover channels" thing?

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Juski:

UTF-8 snafu ?

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Juski:

charlieS: scanning for channels won't work if you're using a satellite receiver plugged into a tuner card's video input

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charlieS:

oh ok. then how will I schedule recordings? I'll need to define all channels manually? :o

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Juski:

charlieS: if you're in the USA get yourself a Zap2it account like most howto guides suggest you do :)

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charlieS:

and it'll populate the listing automatically?

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charlieS:

how much does it cost? :D

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Juski:

set up the username & password of it in mythtv-setup (within the video sources page)

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Juski:

it's free on the condition you fill in a survey IIRC

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charlieS:

oh cool. okay, will do.

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Juski:

subscription lasts a few months then you need to renew it

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kormoc:

ErikTheRed, install php

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charlieS:

in spite of SLOW channel changes, I'm happy to report that I watched live tv last night, and it looked great! (just got the PVR-150 because my GF6600's s-video input isn't supported)

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Juski:

slow? jees you wanna use my NTL cable box for 5 minutes

[18:41:13]

Juski:

channel changes sometimes take 5 seconds or more!

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charlieS:

it's fast on my sat box.. but, there's a delay when I hit the menu and I'm watching via mythtv. about 3–5 secs.

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** charlieS can't seem to reason "why" though **

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Borromini:

awfully slow :(

[18:42:14]

Juski:

charlieS: that's the snag with livetv.. everything is bufferred

[18:42:21]

Juski:

and no you can't turn it off

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** charlieS remembers reading this, now **

[18:42:40]

charlieS:

oh well.. I'll rarely use it for live tv.

[18:42:47]

Juski:

there's a slight lag with the tuner card encoding the stuff to mpeg2

[18:42:53]

Juski:

then myth caches it some

[18:43:01]

Juski:

then starts playback

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kormoc:

charlieS, signal from the wall -> pvr card (converts to mpeg2) -> mythbackend -> hard drive -> myth frontend -> videocard -> display

[18:43:19]

charlieS:

3–5 may have been exaggerated. probably ~3

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Juski:

I find it works much better than it used to, but I'm not a livetv user anyway

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charlieS:

well s/wall/sat_box ..but yea. thanks :)

[18:44:05]

Juski:

plus you have another bit of delay if you use an IR blaster

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charlieS:

oh! also.. will sound be handled automatically when I record, if I have sound input connected to the PVR-150?

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Juski:

should be

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charlieS:

well I was using the directtv remote.

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charlieS:

but I'll be using the box's usb(serial) port to change channels :)

[18:45:07]

Juski:

external channel change scripts I've seen lately have a sleep of 3 secs to add to the fun

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charlieS:

excellent. /me taps fingers like Mr Burns

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Juski:

but you can experiment & tweak to see what works best for you ;)

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charlieS:

heh. well I can modify scripts easy enough :)

[18:45:39]

Juski:

bingo

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charlieS:

no matter.. it'll just be for recording; non-live

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Borromini:

i might split the cable too

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charlieS:

it seriously looks just as good via myth (a bit darker, though) as it does watching via component from the box directly. nvidia++

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Juski:

charlieS: pleasant surprise, eh? ;)

[18:50:55]

charlieS:

yea. I've tried getting a 720p computer-driven display with ATI before. It was ugly.

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** charlieS just needs a DLP that supports computer-in. **

[18:51:42]

Juski:

don't we all.. and a big enough livingroom

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charlieS:

:)

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Juski:

hrm. mythtvtalk.com seems to have fallen over

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Juski:

hope they've not exploded cos of the expo...

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charlieS:

herbertj: hi :)

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herbertj:

charlieS: howdy

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stuarta:

Juski: hehe :)

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Juski:

that'd be cool & not cool at the same time I reckon though ;)

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** charlieS is not seeing register/login options on zap2it.com **

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fryfrog:

labs.zap2it.com?

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** charlieS nods (thanks) **

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** BULLE takes fryfrog with french fries and mayonaise **

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laga:

BULLE: eww.

[19:01:44]

BULLE:

laga: nothing wrong with eating frogs!

[19:01:46]

BULLE:

or snails

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Juski:

now here's a watertight reason why so few folks are selling preconfigured mythtv boxes.. "If you purchased a hardware or software product that receives its television listings from Zap2it Labs' DataDirect or, indirectly, through XMLTV, you may be violating our contract. It is critical that you and your vendor abide by our contractual terms, lest everyone suffer the consequences."

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BULLE:

Juski: shouldnt be that hard for a company to setup their own server, and just mirror the program info though ?

[19:03:18]

Juski:

that's covered by them saying it's only licenced for personal use I'd have thought

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BULLE:

Juski: yeah, perhaps, so just get the info from where zap2it labs get it ?

[19:03:53]

Juski:

not a problem in the UK though.. at least not if folks wanna use DVB-T :)

[19:04:02]

BULLE:

Juski: cant be that impossible to get hold of it ? as its free info, the xmltv stuff i use is completely free

[19:04:14]

Juski:

BULLE: oh by _paying_ providers for it after legal negotiations you mean?

[19:04:26]

BULLE:

Juski: yeah

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Juski:

you just reminded me that a guy asked me about the possibility of that at the expo yesterday

[19:05:10]

BULLE:

i have no money though, i ordered a new computer, for mythtv use

[19:05:14]

Juski:

he uses Tivo in the UK & they get up to a month of advance listings for every UK channel

[19:05:26]

BULLE:

hmm

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fryfrog:

How many days does zap2it have, anyone know?

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kormoc:

13ish

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fryfrog:

oh :(

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fryfrog:

wish it had a few more :)

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D-side:

its usually enough

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fryfrog:

when does 24 start up, anyone know off hand?

[19:06:29]

Juski:

what do you want for free?

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D-side:

at least for me.

[19:06:36]

Juski:

fryfrog: January sometime

[19:06:42]

BULLE:

hehe

[19:06:44]

fryfrog:

As much as they'll give me :)

[19:06:59]

Juski:

or what everyone usually wants for free.. the Earth

[19:07:10]

kormoc:

Mmm... The Earth...

[19:07:10]

fryfrog:

But actually, I think I'd prolly pay $1–2/mo for good listings that go 3–4 weeks out

[19:07:21]

kormoc:

ahh, for 'good' listings

[19:07:23]

BULLE:

Juski: i havent paid a dime, and im walking around on Earth all day long!

[19:07:33]

fryfrog:

or answer a survey more often (or a longer one)

[19:07:43]

BULLE:

i would think that i pay for the darn channels, and channel listings should be included in teh price

[19:08:05]

Juski:

though we met quite a lot of people 2 days ago who were honestly amazed to learn mythtv is free (or Free?) and open source

[19:08:38]

Juski:

BULLE: they generally _are_ if you get their box

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fuffalo:

is the irblaster that plugs into the remote receiver that both come with a pvr-150 usable with mythtv? or do i need to buy a seperate irblaster (serial)?

[19:08:44]

laga:

Juski: any news from gbee?

[19:08:57]

BULLE:

Juski: yeah, i do get it, with the stb i got from them

[19:09:02]

BULLE:

Juski: but it si teh suxx

[19:09:18]

Juski:

laga: yeah he was due to come out of hospital today. eventually tracked him down

[19:09:27]

fryfrog:

thats true, it seems like data should come from the cable companys, the bastards :)

[19:09:29]

BULLE:

fuffalo: uhm, are you talking about the usb mce ir receiver/blaster ?

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laga:

Juski: right, i'd read that. good news, though

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Juski:

damn good news. we were pretty worried

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laga:

yep

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laga:

Juski: did he have a few drinks too much? :)

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BULLE:

not that its my bussines, but this gbee chap, i take it he was ill/injured/meteorite struck his foot but is getting well now ?

[19:11:15]

fuffalo:

bulle, yes i am

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BULLE:

fuffalo: was a few weeks since i checked lirc, but back then the ir receiver is supported, but the blaster functionality was not

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BULLE:

fuffalo: the remote works realy well, as a remote though

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Juski:

laga: he wasn't in a good way when he left us at the pub on wednesday night

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Juski:

BULLE: his hostel was closed when he got there so he tried to climb a fence, fell & cut his face pretty badly

[19:13:47]

BULLE:

Juski: ouch

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fuffalo:

bulle, but the remote isn't much good if i can't change channels, is it? :P

[19:14:26]

Juski:

all we knew up until this afternoon was that he was due to show up the next day, didn't & nobody had heard from him so I decided to try track him down

[19:14:27]

BULLE:

fuffalo: well, well =)

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D-side:

Juski: oh hell.

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D-side:

thats terrible

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BULLE:

always dangerous when you dont get drunk enough

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BULLE:

thats when i do the stupid things

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BULLE:

fuffalo: you can use it as a remote, but you can not use the ir-blaster functionality, so yes, you will have to get a supported ir-blaster

[19:15:26]

fuffalo:

bulle, so if i want to beable to change channels, i need to make/buy one of those serial blasters?

[19:15:28]

fuffalo:

alright

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fuffalo:

those are pretty cheap though, right?

[19:15:47]

Juski:

the main thing is that he's still among us & will be able to chalk it down to experience :)

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BULLE:

should be, i live upp in northern europe, so i have no clue what they cost and where to get them

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charlieS:

sweeet, zap2it rocks.

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** charlieS makes sure to check directv channel 595 **

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herbertj:

charlieS: what client are you using to access the data?

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** charlieS is installing xmltv right now **

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charlieS:

(apt-get install xlmtv*)

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charlieS:

er, mythtv is probably the answer.

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mintee:

howdy everyone

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Juski:

btw laga: ludo is still threatening to get you over for one of these exhibition things :)

[19:20:52]

charlieS:

hi minty

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Juski:

hi mintee

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mintee:

tgif!

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Juski:

get more sponsors & we could fly everyone over.. pffffffffft

[19:21:38]

mintee:

looking forward to another weekend of banging my head against the wall over mythtv

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charlieS:

Selected Stations: 624 (wheee)

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Juski:

mintee: then what? bloody mythtv ?

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mintee:

then drink till i pass out

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mintee:

only to awaken and do it all over again ;)

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Juski:

mintee: sounds like a good plan. how may we put a spanner in the works for you?

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mintee:

is anyone familiar with inklings pchdtvr ?

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Ribs:

okay, odd problem here

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mintee:

spanner?

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Ribs:

I can't tune into ITV3

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Ribs:

yet all the other channels seem to work just fine

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fryfrog:

Does anyone use a Motorola DCT6412 with their MythTV? And have you tried accessing both tuners?

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Ribs:

Juski, can you test ITV3 for me, to see if it works on your setup?

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EvilGuru:

can someone tell me where this so called 'playback' menu is as I want to watch a program that is being recorded

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hatlevip:

EvilGuru, watch recordings

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EvilGuru:

it does not appear in the list

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hatlevip:

maybe you have a filter set

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EvilGuru:

how can I see?

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hatlevip:

press menu

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hatlevip:

i think m

[19:37:09]

hatlevip:

or i

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hatlevip:

one of the two

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EvilGuru:

thanks

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Juski:

hmm itv3....

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EvilGuru:

also what does RIP mean under a recording|?|

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mintee:

who is using the 2.6.18 kernel with the nvidia drivers?

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Juski:

means it'll be expired when myth needs to free up disk space

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janneg:

auto-expire

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EvilGuru:

ok, what about a $ with a / through it

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Juski:

that means the user hasn't read the key for the symbols yet

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RyeBrye3:

robbins876: what's the problem?

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EvilGuru:

key for the symbols?

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laga:

EvilGuru: hit f1

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robbins876:

Alright, I'm running into this issue when i try to load mythtv-setup...

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robbins876:

http://pastebin.ca/224883

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Juski:

Ribs: itv3 seems to be working here in M40, tuned to WinterHill

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mintee:

if anyone is using 2.6.18 and the nvidia driver, could you paste your xorg.conf to pastebin please!?

[19:40:58]

RyeBrye3:

hmmmm... have you tried running MythTVsetup as root

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Ribs:

hrm

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Ribs:

odd why that's the only channel which is borked

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Juski:

Ribs are you on WinterHill too?

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Ribs:

no

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Ribs:

sandy heath

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Juski:

right

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Juski:

hmmm

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Juski:

0.20-fixes ?

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robbins876:

RyeBrye3> yeah, i have

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RyeBrye3:

Hmmm... that's a strange error

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Juski:

Ribs: I have a funny feeling this might need some expert attention

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Ribs:

damn

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Juski:

Ribs: if it's definitely the _only_ channel giving you grief, that is

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** Ribs prefers things to just work :/ **

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Ribs:

it seems to be

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** mintee is with Ribs **

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Ribs:

MythTV just seems to freeze

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RyeBrye3:

robbins876: I think it's a SELinux issue

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Ribs:

tho I can esc out

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Juski:

Ribs: stop mythbackend then & try using tzap & mplayer

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robbins876:

oh, shit... yeah it is

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Ribs:

or up and enter to change channel

[19:43:47]

Ribs:

Juski, I'll leave it for now

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Ribs:

trying to fix widescreen atm :>

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RyeBrye3:

robbins876: So... you can either take the doors off, or mabe someone in #fedora knows better how to deal with SELinux...

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Juski:

Ribs: reason I suggest it is so you can determine if it's really myth at fault

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Ribs:

Juski, yeah, I understand that :)

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Juski:

so try it before taking it any further, k ;)

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robbins876:

RyeBrye3, It's working now

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Ribs:

np :>

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RyeBrye3:

Did you turn off SELinux?

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Juski:

though by then if it's an ITV3 problem it might just have gone away

[19:45:17]

robbins876:

yeah, i turned it off and it's working

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Juski:

speaking of mythtv, time to crash out on the couch & watch some mythtv

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mintee:

have fun Juski

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Juski:

oh hang on

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Juski:

36MB for a 2 minute recording.. doesn't seem right somehow

[19:46:22]

RyeBrye3:

That's what I did... but the guys in #fedora really have a hissy fit when they hear the phrase "Turn off SELinux" so it's a good thing I told it you here ;)

[19:46:26]

laga:

Juski: why not?

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robbins876:

good deal

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Juski:

laga: not sure. I'm gonna play the recording just to be certain

[19:46:47]

robbins876:

well, mythtv-setup is really going slowly, but it's working

[19:46:59]

laga:

Juski: that's about one gig/hour.

[19:47:22]

Juski:

I killed too many braincells this week to be able to work that one out in my head

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laga:

Juski: i used bc...

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Juski:

I have my excuses & I stick to them, K? :-P

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** Juski pictures himself slouched on a leather couch, swishing down a glass of JD & Coke **

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Juski:

mmmmm

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** mintee is going over Juski's house **

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** Ribs goes to bed **

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Ribs:

night all

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mintee:

AAHOYY if anyone is using 2.6.18 and the nvidia driver, could you paste your xorg.conf to pastebin please!?

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Ribs:

Juski, thanks for the tips :)

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Juski:

np Ribs :)

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kormoc:

mintee, why?

[19:57:49]

mintee:

why what?

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kormoc:

why the restriction?

[19:58:14]

mintee:

what restriction/

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kormoc:

2.6.18?

[19:58:52]

mintee:

cause, my shit don't work, and i wanted to compare someone that has nearly the same config as I do

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kormoc:

http://kormoc.homelinux.org/xorg.conf/xorg.conf.pci-e

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mintee:

why else ;()

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kormoc:

that's worked with 2.6.12 and I'm running 2.6.19-rc3 now

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kormoc:

the kernel version doesn't really dictate any changes to the xorg conf

[19:59:35]

mintee:

cause, my shit don't work, and i wanted to compare

[19:59:37]

mintee:

err

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kormoc:

you should ask more about nvidia driver specfic versions

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mintee:

sorry

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kormoc:

http://kormoc.homelinux.org/xorg.conf/ <-- there's a dir full of a few different ones I use

[19:59:59]

mintee:

ah.. Option "RenderAccel" "True"

[20:00:13]

mintee:

awesome

[20:00:19]

mintee:

thanks kormoc

[20:00:23]

kormoc:

you're welcome

[20:00:58]

mintee:

it's just I've been having a helluva time trying to get 1080i playing off myth on my box.

[20:01:11]

mintee:

it records just fine, but will not play well at all

[20:01:21]

kormoc:

what's the cpu?

[20:01:39]

mintee:

and I think it has something to do without using nvidia hw acceleration, but i didn't know howto enable it

[20:01:46]

mintee:

old p4 2.4ghz...

[20:01:53]

mintee:

3 year old chip

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kormoc:

well, I tend to explicitly enable options that default on, just to make sure it doesn't change on me in random times in the future

[20:02:33]

kormoc:

yeah, still should be fine as long as it's not the h.264 stuff

[20:02:47]

mintee:

i sent my buddy a 200MB 2 minute clip of LOST HD that I couldn't play on the box and he had it playing on an old tbird 1.4ghz

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** laga sends to MPAA to mintee's house **

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laga:

s/to/the/ stupid fingers

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mintee:

ruined joke

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mintee:

kormoc, even if it was the h.264 "stuff" then he wouldn't be able to play it on a tbird 1.4

[20:06:09]

kormoc:

Depends, he was using windows?

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mintee:

hehe, i'm just asking that now

[20:06:26]

mintee:

[16:02] MrWork: ya

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mintee:

*sigh

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mintee:

using VLC

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kormoc:

Yeah, windows has some better support for hardware playback of videos (Nvidia's pure video) and similar

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kormoc:

we have a little of that (Xv and XvMC), but not upto the support windows has

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mintee:

i see

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mintee:

hum

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kormoc:

now, that being said, my 2.4 ghz p4 could handle 1080i (mpeg2) with XvMC fine, in the sense that if it was the only thing it was doing, it would play it perfectly

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kormoc:

and that was with a FX 5800

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mintee:

i'm dealing with a 6600GT

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kormoc:

You might want to try one of the 9xxx nvidia beta drivers, they've improved the XvMC support a little bit in them

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charlieS:

No manual entry for mythfrontend

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mintee:

and was this an old coppermine p4?

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kormoc:

mintee, no, it was the one after the coppermine (200 mhz FSB)

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kormoc:

Northwood iirc

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laga:

there never was a coppermine p4, iirc. the coppermine was a p3 core. correct me if i'm wrong

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mintee:

ah, yeah i think mine is the coppermine, i'm not really sure

[20:10:42]

mintee:

oh

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mintee:

ok, how can i tell?

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kormoc:

laga, http://www.memory4less.com/cpus/m4l_pentium4.asp

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laga:

mintee: take some from /proc/cpuinfo and throw it at google?

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opello:

i think you're correct laga (first p4's were tualatin? or was that p3 only too?)

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laga:

opello: tualatin were the latest p3

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kormoc:

not sure what they're saying there

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laga:

northwood was the second 4, iirc, then came the prescott..

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opello:

ahh

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opello:

what was the first p4?

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laga:

opello: dunno, but it sucked. a friend of mine has one, but i can't remember the codename

[20:12:45]

opello:

ah, Willamette

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laga:

yep

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** laga pats this allendale ;) **

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kormoc:

yeah, mine was a Northwood B

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kormoc:

erm

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kormoc:

C

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kormoc:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Intel_mi . . . rs#Pentium_4

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opello:

i have a 2.4 northwood b in my pvr

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laga:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentium_4

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mintee:

http://pastebin.ca/225175

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mintee:

i'm having no such luck

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opello:

mintee: what's the FSB?

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mintee:

unsure

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mintee:

how do i tell that

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opello:

well, it's a northwood b or c

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** mintee puts on the retard hat **

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kormoc:

Mine is the same Family and Model, and Steping

[20:15:22]

opello:

bios?

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mintee:

i'm nowhere near the box now... i'm only ssh'd into it from work

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kormoc:

http://pastebin.ca/225183

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opello:

dmidecode might say

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kormoc:

I do love how mine is cpu MHz : 2400.000

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opello:

nice

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opello:

cpu MHz : 2394.077

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opello:

.

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opello:

oops :/

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mintee:

ah, well it's this mobo

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mintee:

http://www.gigabyte.com.tw/Products/Motherboa . . . e=GA-8SG800P

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mjelva:

i'm trying to compile lirc-modules-source, but i get the following error: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/28721/. i've extracted the source, and placed the modules/lirc/ directory in /usr/src/linux-source/2.6.17/ so it's with the other modules directory (i386). am i doing this right or not? what seems to be the problem?

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mintee:

Processor Information

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mintee:

Socket Designation: Socket 478

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mintee:

External Clock: 133 MHz

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mintee:

Max Speed: 3066 MHz

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mintee:

Current Speed: 2400 MHz

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kormoc:

http://pastebin.ca/225188 <-- this is my 2.4 ghz p4 at work, with a 533 FSB

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kormoc:

mintee, so yeah, you'res is a northwood A/B or a pre Northwood

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mintee:

ok

[20:19:39]

mintee:

soooo, what's my FSB then?

[20:19:40]

mintee:

lol

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mintee:

800MHz FSB processor?

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opello:

quad-pumped

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laga:

quad-umped

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opello:

heh

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laga:

stupid fingers

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mintee:

no jinx?

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mintee:

what's quad-pumped... so. 200MHz FSB?

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laga:

real FSB would be 200MHz then, with ddr-400 RAM?

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laga:

this confuses me all the time

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mintee:

me too, that's why i don't know

[20:21:36]

mjelva:

anyone? guys?

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mjelva:

i'm sure some of you have installed lirc before.

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opello:

ddr-400 runs at 200mhz though

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mintee:

hell, i donno

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laga:

opello: yep

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opello:

laga: so why the confusion?

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mintee:

but i guess the moral to this discussion is that it should still be able to play 1080i with out much problem

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laga:

opello: well, when i got my new box.. the cpu was said to be running at 266MHz but i couldn't believe that. so i kept calculating.. ;)

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opello:

ah

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opello:

that's kind of odd, heh

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laga:

i suppose i missed the last two years of processor development

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D-side:

perhaps you have. perhaps you have.

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D-side:

maybe i should sell my mythtv box.

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** mintee waves arms **

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mintee:

but i guess the moral to this discussion is that it should still be able to play 1080i with out much problem

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laga:

yep, prolly

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mintee:

hehehe, prolly... story of my life

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robbins876:

how can i find out if there's a lirc package for FC6?

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mintee:

by uninstalling FC6

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** mintee hides behind laga **

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robbins876:

that doesn't even make sense

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** laga furiously hands out ubuntu cds **

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D-side:

googling "lirc fedora core 6" always helps.

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** mintee switched laga's box of ubuntu cd's with 23mb bootable archlinux cd's **

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D-side:

laga: using edgy yet?

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** laga gets a sharpie and writes "slackware" on mintee's forehead **

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D-side:

oh shit.

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D-side:

thats pretty rough

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laga:

D-side: on my desktop boxen, aye. mythtv is still on sarge

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mintee:

yay laga, you win the prize....

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laga:

heh

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D-side:

laga: i figure i'll try edgy out for a backend... they've packaged up 0.20

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mintee:

oh, no, you wrote it backwards.. now i can't read it in the mirror

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jams:

hi all

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opello:

http://pastebin.ca/225199 <- everyone else was doing it

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mintee:

i considered installing myth on a slackenboxen, but i don't really feel like compiling all of it

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opello:

heh

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mintee:

until i know it will work on my HW

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mintee:

hi jams

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laga:

D-side: yep. not sure if it's 0.20-fixes yet, but youcan always look that up in launchpad

[20:31:55]

mintee:

god i can't wait to get home

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mintee:

and sleep

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laga:

mintee: i did mythtv on slackware once. it was.. ok. but it was a long time ago, so i probably can't really remember the pain

[20:32:27]

D-side:

i learned what a piece of shit nvraid+dmraid is this past weekend. :/

[20:32:38]

mintee:

um, completely off topic (if there is a topic) but this is wild http://www.seasonshot.com

[20:33:04]

jams:

slackware works, just takes a bit to hunt down all the deps for the plugins

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mintee:

laga, yeah, i use slack for all my LAMP needs, and BIND, yatta yatta.

[20:33:25]

mintee:

i'm recently fell in love with freebsd though... ports is awesome

[20:34:07]

mintee:

jams, yes, as everything does on slack ;)

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mintee:

that can be 1/2 the fun or 1/2 the pain... however you wanna look at it

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jams:

heh

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mintee:

what's myths video playback based on? xine, or mplayer, or is it a completely seperate beast

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jams:

completely seperate beast

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mintee:

hum... does it seem to be more cpu intensive than the others i mentioned?

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jams:

others have noticed it, but can't say that I have

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laga:

it is for me, especialyl when using deinterlacing and/or denoising filters

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mintee:

OMFG, fedora sucks asprin

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fryfrog:

Ubuntu, FTW!

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mintee:

yeah yeah fryfrog. I will switch as soon as i get my crap fixed

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mintee:

s/fixed/figured out

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laga:

c'mon, fedora can't be that bad

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mintee:

this coming from someone that hasn't used it before... i assume

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laga:

i did. fc1 it was, iirc

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D-side:

i've never liked fc.

[20:42:06]

D-side:

but i dont like RH anymore either.

[20:42:16]

mintee:

i never liked rh either

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** mintee goes on a hunt for dvbutils. src **

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mintee:

OMG

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mintee:

why is this so hard to find a src package..

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CBiLL:

howdy folks

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mintee:

or even a bin package

[20:45:30]

CBiLL:

anyone here got closed caption working on a hdtv tuner?

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laga:

mintee: you can't install it via yum or whatever? might be called dvb-utils oder dvb-apps

[20:45:54]

mintee:

laga, i'm yum searching now

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mintee:

yum == bloated pkg management

[20:46:22]

mintee:

and yes, i'm in a bitching mood today

[20:46:24]

mintee:

sorry

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laga:

don't worry, i'd feel the same if i had to deal with an rpm based distro

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** mintee finds dvb-apps... **

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D-side:

heh

[20:48:18]

mintee:

yay, found it. now i have tzap and i forgot why i needed it

[20:48:46]

RyeBrye3:

mintee – are you trying to install myth on fedora?

[20:49:07]

RyeBrye3:

http://wilsonet.com/mythtv/fcmyth.php is a pretty easy-to-follow guide

[20:49:08]

mintee:

RyeBrye3, no i'm trying to fix myth on fedora

[20:49:11]

RyeBrye3:

oh

[20:49:16]

RyeBrye3:

what source did you install from? atrpms?

[20:49:18]

mintee:

RyeBrye3, yeah, that's what i used. thanks

[20:49:21]

RyeBrye3:

k

[20:49:32]

mintee:

yeah

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mintee:

it's just my card and my hardware are edgy

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speedsix:

Hi all

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CBiLL:

Howdy speedsix

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mintee:

great, it didn't come with dvbscan

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fryfrog:

Anyone using Ubuntu 6.10?

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D-side:

fryfrog: soon but not yet.

[20:54:27]

D-side:

tell me what problems your having so i can avoid them. :)

[20:54:32]

fryfrog:

I threw it on my work laptop this morning, pretty groovy so far

[20:54:33]

speedsix:

fryog, yep

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fryfrog:

nothing yet!

[20:54:43]

fryfrog:

and the new automatix is even spiffier

[20:54:46]

speedsix:

just building myth for it actually

[20:55:14]

fryfrog:

I might do a fe on this lappy, but all my *other* systems use gentoo :/

[20:55:31]

fryfrog:

i don't spose the ubuntu package comes from -fixes?

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D-side:

i'm moving away from gentoo as a backend

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D-side:

fryfrog: i'm not sure yet.

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D-side:

i want to know that too

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fryfrog:

I think some day, when I build an asterisk box and a new myth backend, i'll go with ubuntu server

[20:56:18]

fryfrog:

make it easy to pair with ubuntu desktops :)

[20:56:34]

fryfrog:

but for now, i like gentoo :)

[20:56:34]

laga:

fryfrog: edgy? just try it :)

[20:56:35]

CBiLL:

ubuntu server hrmmm

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CBiLL:

Hi fryfrog

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fryfrog:

hi CBiLL

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** laga is currently installing dapper on his new server **

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fryfrog:

why not edgy?

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fryfrog:

to new?

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xris:

woot. looks like I'm in dual tuner land again.

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** xris needs a hard drive upgrade now **

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fryfrog:

xris: got your 6200 working?

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D-side:

xris: excellent.

[20:57:41]

D-side:

damn necessary in fact. :)

[20:57:44]

xris:

fryfrog: looks like it.

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mintee:

time to go home

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mintee:

tata

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CBiLL:

fryfrog after talking to someone last night I think I will lower the bar some on my mobo and cpu selection

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fryfrog:

xris: nice, you use p2p or broadcast?

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fryfrog:

CBiLL: nice, it'll save you some cash :)

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xris:

D-side: actually, the storage group stuff that Captain_Murdoch is working on in svn will fix much of that.

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CBiLL:

yup

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CBiLL:

well actually

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laga:

fryfrog: edgy is not LTS and supposed to be less stable

[20:58:16]

xris:

fryfrog: pretty sure all of the motorola stuff is p2p

[20:58:20]

D-side:

xris: hm?

[20:58:23]

D-side:

how so?

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fryfrog:

xris: I'm using broadcast on my 6412 and it is 99x better

[20:58:37]

CBiLL:

the money I save .. Ill probably blow it on a nicer case hehe like the Antec Fusion

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D-side:

wheni said "necessary" i meant i have dual tuners because i have lots of program overlap

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CBiLL:

so ie upgrade to a better case

[20:59:11]

D-side:

fusion... is that the HTPC one, the new one?

[20:59:15]

fryfrog:

xris: ah, i see about the "LTS"

[20:59:52]

D-side:

ack, gotta go. laters.

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fryfrog:

xris: I don't know if you have messed with firewire and those motorola boxes, but I wrestled with p2p for ages on my dct6412. when i switched to broadcast, i have only had 1 or 2 glitches (vs. more than every other recording using p2p)

[21:01:13]

CBiLL:

fryfrog : what do you think of that board http://global.aopen.com.tw/products/mb/i945GTm-VHL.htm paired with a T2400 Yonah? Think there enough juice for a analog and hdtv mythtv with room to spare?

[21:01:31]

speedsix:

Just run mythfrontend for the first time on edgy and I'm getting a repeated error in the console and just a blue frontend background. "QGLContext::makeCurrent(): Cannot make invalid context current.

[21:01:32]

speedsix:

" Any ideas?

[21:01:37]

fryfrog:

what is a T2400?

[21:01:42]

fryfrog:

Turion amd laptop cpu?

[21:01:44]

CBiLL:

sec Ill get you a link

[21:01:50]

CBiLL:

Intel cpu

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xris:

fryfrog: haven't had many troubles since the fixed code in svn

[21:02:21]

fryfrog:

svn -fixes branch or 0.21?

[21:02:26]

xris:

trunk

[21:02:30]

fryfrog:

ah

[21:02:35]

xris:

stuff like "turn on the box if it's off"

[21:02:37]

fryfrog:

does your 6200 have two firewire ports on it?

[21:02:50]

CBiLL:

that the t2400 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16819111179

[21:03:44]

fryfrog:

that MB, the only thing i'd do is not use the built in video

[21:03:49]

fryfrog:

probably is an intel based one

[21:03:55]

CBiLL:

hrmmm

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CBiLL:

that was one reason I was looking at that motherboard becasue of the built in videos

[21:04:09]

CBiLL:

the dvi and analog

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fryfrog:

But you can get a pci-e nvidia video card for like $30 or so

[21:04:24]

CBiLL:

and also the built in digital audios

[21:04:41]

fryfrog:

Does nvidia make any nforce chipset based boards for that intel cpu?

[21:04:54]

BULLE:

CBiLL: how much does a t2400 cost in comparison to an intel e6300 ?

[21:04:54]

CBiLL:

video on the motheboard not good?

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fryfrog:

their built in gpu is (of course) nvidia based, so you can use nvidia's drivers

[21:05:12]

CBiLL:

BULLE : it's 245 at newegg

[21:05:27]

BULLE:

CBiLL: so the e6300 should be cheaper then

[21:05:28]

fryfrog:

CBiLL: I don't see any specific details, but chances are pretty good that an *intel* chipset has an intel built in video

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CBiLL:

I should find something with nvidia instead?

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fryfrog:

sounds like you went sideways CBiLL? Cheaper mb, more expensive cpu?

[21:05:55]

fryfrog:

CBiLL: if you can, its one option

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fryfrog:

or just get an addin pci-e card

[21:06:01]

CBiLL:

yeah I probably did

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CBiLL:

I am still thinking which path to take

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fryfrog:

You prefer Intel?

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fryfrog:

or are you okay with AMD?

[21:06:27]

CBiLL:

well never done amd before

[21:06:32]

CBiLL:

in linux or windows

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fryfrog:

Ah, if that is your only worry then there is nothing to worry about :)

[21:06:45]

CBiLL:

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laga:

argh

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CBiLL:

then what do you recommand? there a motherboard that in AMD that good for htpc?

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fryfrog:

If I were going to start and build a new FE/BE, this is probably the CPU i'd get

[21:07:41]

laga:

fyi, the nintel chipsets with integrated graphics usually have a "G" in their name, as opposed to a P (945P, P965). i think there's a Q965, but that ons is more of office use

[21:07:43]

fryfrog:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16819103029

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fryfrog:

~$110, decently fast

[21:08:14]

fryfrog:

its no bench mark scortcher, but plenty fast

[21:08:42]

CBiLL:

ok but is there a good AMD based motherboard closed to that Aopen features?

[21:08:43]

fryfrog:

maybe flip to one of the X2's for $50 more

[21:08:45]

fryfrog:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16819103733

[21:08:52]

fryfrog:

CBiLL: hang on, let me poke around :)

[21:09:32]

fryfrog:

you are looking for digital out and dvi/hdmi output built in?

[21:09:55]

CBiLL:

digital out and dvi and analog out if possible

[21:10:09]

CBiLL:

but I still can go to extenal video card if that a better choice

[21:10:18]

fryfrog:

and microatx?

[21:10:22]

CBiLL:

yes

[21:10:31]

CBiLL:

matx is the path I am going

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fryfrog:

mini itx, is that smaller or bigger than atx?

[21:10:51]

CBiLL:

the second AMD cpu seem to be slower than the first one unless I am not seeing something

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fryfrog:

er, mircro atx

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CBiLL:

micro is smaller than the standard atc

[21:11:03]

CBiLL:

atx

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CBiLL:

about 9 inch by 9 inch

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CBiLL:

oh the second AMD is the dual core?

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Juski:

mini itx is smaller than micro by some weird quirk IIRC

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CBiLL:

oh the mini or BATX is smaller than micro

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CBiLL:

hard to find cases for thoses

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CBiLL:

not real popular yet

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Juski:

and nano is smaller still :)

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CBiLL:

yup

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CBiLL:

one of those days I am gonna go with nano htpc hehe

[21:12:54]

Juski:

and I bet nobody's seen a pico itx yet :-P

[21:13:01]

Juski:

or femto...

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CBiLL:

but nano will be good for like frontend mythtv etc

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CBiLL:

one in each room networked to a backend

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fryfrog:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813123007

[21:13:32]

** Juski has a diskless mini itx for his frontend **

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fryfrog:

first one i found with built in dvi, no digital audio though

[21:13:43]

Juski:

<8 epia m-10000

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fryfrog:

m10000 do HD?

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fryfrog:

is that really 10,000 or did you add a 0?

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Juski:

nope

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CBiLL:

epox .. hrmmm I used to have that board long time ago .. good board

[21:15:17]

Juski:

it's really 10,000 (10000) and it won;t do HD

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Juski:

anyway.. sleeptime. g'night all

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CBiLL:

but I need a digital audio out 8-/

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JoshT76:

hi all

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fryfrog:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813127013

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fryfrog:

CBiLL: ^^ looks like optical in/out, DVI out (and vga) and a few other things

[21:17:00]

fryfrog:

all made by abit :)

[21:17:16]

fryfrog:

$100 mb, $110 (or $160 for X2) CPU

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CBiLL:

nice board

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CBiLL:

which one for x2?

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CBiLL:

this board will take a x2 AMD?

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fryfrog:

That board supports both cpus

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fryfrog:

as long as it is an AM2 socket cpu

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BULLE:

CBiLL: just get an am2 socket motherboard

[21:18:16]

CBiLL:

am2 socket ok ...

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CBiLL:

Ill google for some am2 socket reivews and read them all

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CBiLL:

thanks fryfrog

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BULLE:

CBiLL: depending a bit on what you want etc, you might want to look at an intel e6300

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fryfrog:

I'd look for reviews of that abit board, not the socket :)

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fryfrog:

yeah, be sure to look at the intel alternative

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fryfrog:

i just don't know enough about their current cpus to help ya

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CBiLL:

yeah I want to stay with those brands .. asus abit gigabytes I have nothing but good expereince with those board in the past

[21:19:30]

BULLE:

i know a bit, but im biased

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fryfrog:

same here :)

[21:19:44]

BULLE:

i ordered a e6300 based mythtv computer today

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fryfrog:

ah, how much is the cpu and mb?

[21:19:55]

CBiLL:

intel e6300? is that a micro?

[21:20:07]

czth_:

i finished putting together an amd 4600 system yesterday and it's great

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BULLE:

fryfrog: uhm, well, 1795:- for the cpu and 1695:- for the mb =)

[21:20:15]

fryfrog:

CBiLL: thats the CPU :)

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BULLE:

fryfrog: SEK

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CBiLL:

ohhh

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fryfrog:

wtf is SEK?

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BULLE:

fryfrog: swedish crowns

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fryfrog:

crazy sweeds

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rambo3:

any chess game for mythtv

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fryfrog:

rambo3: use the "pc game" option in mythgame and just play what ever linux chess game you want

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CBiLL:

oh the core 2 duo intel cpu

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fryfrog:

or wine and windows

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CBiLL:

yeah that what I started with

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BULLE:

CBiLL: yes, cheapest one, is the e6300

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CBiLL:

but still having no luck picking a motherboard for it

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BULLE:

CBiLL: there is both intel and nvidia chipsets for it

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CBiLL:

because of the "digital adapter required"

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BULLE:

CBiLL: its socket 775, just make sure the board explicitly supports core 2 duo

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BULLE:

oh

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fryfrog:

you mean digital video or audio out?

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CBiLL:

audio out

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fryfrog:

ah

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BULLE:

i bought a gigabyte motherboard, it has spdif sound out on board

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CBiLL:

but it not a micro

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BULLE:

oh no, its not

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CBiLL:

8-)

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BULLE:

its full atx

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CBiLL:

I know

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CBiLL:

hehe

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BULLE:

perhaps a big pair of scissors =)

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CBiLL:

lol

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CBiLL:

there is 1 board with audio out on the rear

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CBiLL:

let me find that link sec

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SynrG:

hmm. how do i delete a game player?

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CBiLL:

http://www.intel.com/products/motherboard/dg965ot/index.htm

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CBiLL:

this one BULLE

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BULLE:

lets see then4

[21:26:14]

CBiLL:

if I select a board like that I will get a nvidia video card for it

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CBiLL:

here another one I am looking at but require a digital audio in and out adapter that will be avaiable in USA late Nov

[21:27:44]

CBiLL:

http://www.gigabyte.com.tw/Products/Motherboa . . . =GA-965GM-S2

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BULLE:

CBiLL: that card seems very nice, pair it upp with a cheap core 2 duo cpu and the cheapest fanless nvidia card you can find

[21:28:34]

CBiLL:

the intel board?

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BULLE:

yes

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BULLE:

i like intel mainboards, stable, ok performers etc

[21:29:04]

CBiLL:

yeah

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BULLE:

might not be great for the gaming and overclocking type, but that is hardly what you are going to use it for

[21:29:31]

CBiLL:

only want to get it for pure htpc

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CBiLL:

with some web surfing via remote and check email .. that about all

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laga:

why not get a board *made* by intel? ;)

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CBiLL:

that board is made by intel we're talking about

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laga:

http://www.gigabyte.com.tw/Products/Motherboa . . . e=GA-945P-S3 – i got myself this board, should be cheaper than the gigabyte one

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laga:

CBiLL: oh, i'm sorry, i only saw the newegg link

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laga:

i've heard the intel boards have good fan controls

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laga:

if my memory serves me right ;)

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CBiLL:

np Laga this is what we were talking about http://www.intel.com/products/motherboard/dg965ot/index.htm

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RyeBrye3:

SynrG: to delete a game player you go to Setup -> Media -> MythGame and then in the list you delete it, iirc

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laga:

CBiLL: aren't there any intel boards without the integrated VGA? sounds pointless to me if you're going to use an nvidia card anyways

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kormoc:

laga, not really, it's standard, like usb ports and similar

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CBiLL:

intergrated VGA is nice to have when you setting up the motherboard for the first time or to confirm that your video card went bad 8-)

[21:33:01]

laga:

kormoc: that's news to me. just look for a board with the P965 chipset.

[21:33:19]

laga:

CBiLL: true. well, it's your money :)

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CBiLL:

and almost all mainboard got intergrated VGA now days anyway since just about all chipset have some form of it and it only cost them pennies to add a VGA connector on it and bus it to the chipsedt

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kormoc:

laga, http://www.intel.com/products/chipsets/p965/index.htm

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kormoc:

laga, Intel? 82P965 Graphics and Memory Controller Hub

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laga:

CBiLL: maybe office mainboards. i spent quite some looking at motherboards when i bought my new box and almost none had VGA out.

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laga:

kormoc: http://www.intel.com/products/chipsets/g965/index.htm

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CBiLL:

I think there are more with VGA out now days than there is without

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CBiLL:

then I can be wrong

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kormoc:

laga, from that link, "Intel? Graphics Media Accelerator X3000"

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kormoc:

laga, http://www.newegg.com/Product/ShowImage.asp?I . . . d+%2D+Retail

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rambo3:

crazy session variables

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laga:

kormoc: "Intel 865G" – see the "G"? ;)

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CBiLL:

when did nvidia start adding mpeg to thier video card? 5500?

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CBiLL:

mpeg hardware that is

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laga:

kormoc: i know there are boards with VGA out, no need to prove that to me. (while i would argue that stuff made by pc-chips is not really something that should be used in computers)

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kormoc:

laga, erm, that only stands for the enhanced GFX rather then the standard onboard GFX

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laga:

kormoc: not with the P/G965, whicvh is itenl's latest chipset. dunno about earlier ones.

[21:39:50]

laga:

oops, stupid fingers

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kormoc:

laga, so the P shouldn't have the GFX?

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laga:

kormoc: actually, the c1 stepping fo the P965 was a bit broken wrt their integrated VGA stuff, which is why the g65 is (almost?) exclusively the c2 stepping.

[21:40:55]

laga:

kormoc: no, it shouldn't, imho

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laga:

kormoc: look at the asus p5b-(e), abit ab9 etc

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kormoc:

yeah

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AngryElf:

does anyone know where the setting is to enable the mouse cursor?

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CBiLL:

do you think I am going overboard if I use this video card? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814121008

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kormoc:

laga, welp, my mistake, it does seem like intel changed how they are handleing that chip. the 965G is the standard GFX and the 965Q is the improved GFX

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AngryElf:

CBiLL, for a frontend? yes

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BULLE:

CBiLL: well, i think you will be fine with a 7300 card

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AngryElf:

buy a $30 card

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BULLE:

7600 is a bit overkill

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CBiLL:

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CBiLL:

hdtv?

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CBiLL:

I wanted to be able to do analog and hdtv both out

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kormoc:

my 6200 has HDTV out

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CBiLL:

so let see that Intel board and e6300 and a nvidia video card

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CBiLL:

then Ill need to pick out a analog tuner and a hdtv ota tuner as well too

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kormoc:

pvr 150/500 for the analog tuner imho

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BULLE:

ye, not much else to get realy

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laga:

kormoc: it was a pointless discussion anyways :)

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CBiLL:

does closed caption work on it now?

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CBiLL:

I am getting mixed results on forum and research about 150 or 500 closed captioned working on it or not

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kormoc:

donno, I have a m179 (250) and it works on that, but I donno yet about the 150

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CBiLL:

half says it work and other half say it doesn't

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CBiLL:

yeah all says the 250 and 300 works perfectly

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CBiLL:

I mean

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CBiLL:

350

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CBiLL:

and I really wanted the 500 hehe

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CBiLL:

dual tuner .. one for analog cable and other for a sat reciever to plug into the composite video jack

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laga:

kormoc: i think the 965 is better than the q965, though. the q one is tailored towards office use, iirc

[21:49:41]

CBiLL:

so I can record a show on local cable and a show on sat reciever at the same time

[21:49:46]

CBiLL:

I am looking at video card right now

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BULLE:

CBiLL: what case are you going to use ?

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kormoc:

laga, yeah, it seems like the 965 is much more gamer oriented then other intel products

[21:50:19]

CBiLL:

antec 2400

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laga:

kormoc: that's why it's also got this "intel stbale platform" feature where they guarantee prolonged availability

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CBiLL:

I *might* go with fusion .. seeing if money permits

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laga:

s/stba/stab/

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CBiLL:

256 ram is more than enough for hdtv on video card right?

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levander_:

CBiLL: yeah

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CBiLL:

looking at the 6 series Gforce video card

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laga:

kormoc: true. it's a nice piece of technology, espeically when combined with the ICH8R southbridge. their most expensive one seems to be the older 975X, though. they even made a board with that chipset that can be overclocked

[21:52:11]

** kormoc nods **

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laga:

some nvidias cards on windows use parts of the system memory to store textures etc. does this also happen in linux?

[21:52:45]

BULLE:

laga: good question

[21:53:13]

levander_:

laga: Turbo Cache is a feature on PCIe nVidia cards that use system memory

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levander_:

don't know if they store textures in there or what

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BULLE:

levander_: yeah, but will it work in linux ?

[21:53:39]

levander_:

oh, no idea, didn't read whole question i guess

[21:53:41]

laga:

BULLE: "work"? it's broken by design, i'd say ;)

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kormoc:

yeah, turbo cache is supported under linux as of middle of the 8xxx drivers

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CBiLL:

how this one? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814121010

[21:54:46]

CBiLL:

composite out for analog tv is nice

[21:54:46]

kormoc:

but I'd still avoid it if possable

[21:55:29]

CBiLL:

hrmm seem to get a bad review on it

[21:56:04]

laga:

kormoc: can i turn it off?

[21:56:21]

levander_:

Here's the README for the nVidia Linux drivers, surely the info is in there: http://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/ . . . E/index.html

[21:56:34]

laga:

levander_: good idea, thanks

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kormoc:

laga, I *think* you can if you tell X how much ram the card has (i.e. tell it 8 megs or what not)

[21:57:26]

D-side:

a tc card? dear god no.

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kormoc:

laga, this works as most of them actually still have 8 or 16 megs of real ram on them

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BULLE:

CBiLL: uhm, why is composite out nice ? wouldnt anyone always prefer svideo ?

[21:58:09]

CBiLL:

becasue my A/V is kinda old and does not have s-video

[21:58:19]

laga:

kormoc: ! i thought they had like 256MB VRAM and would only use additional memory?

[21:58:25]

CBiLL:

but I am planning on buying a new A/V next spring so I might just go with s-video

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laga:

wouldn't you go with component/dvi/vga/hdmi these days?

[21:59:12]

CBiLL:

A/V is about almost 10 year old .. back then .. composite was like 500 dollar and S-video would run about 1,000 dollar

[21:59:14]

CBiLL:

8-)

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D-side:

i assume by "a/v" you really mean receiver?

[21:59:45]

CBiLL:

Audio Video Reciever yes

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D-side:

interesting way to refer to it. :D

[22:00:18]

D-side:

you certainly should upgrade that thing.

[22:00:20]

CBiLL:

it always printed A/V on the front panel 8-)

[22:00:36]

CBiLL:

well acutally still a great system

[22:00:39]

CBiLL:

it a pioneer

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BULLE:

CBiLL: atleast my nvidia cards with s-video out, came with an adapter for composite output aswell, so you just configure the tv out as composite, and use the adapter, and you get composite out

[22:00:56]

D-side:

well i wont argue that pioneer makes great stuff. my receiver is a pioneer also.

[22:01:06]

D-side:

you at LEAST need svideo though. dear god.

[22:01:08]

CBiLL:

BULLE : what card is that?

[22:01:22]

BULLE:

CBiLL: an old fx5200 agp one

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BULLE:

and a gf4

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CBiLL:

oh apg

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CBiLL:

shoot

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CBiLL:

wonder if they make one in PCI express

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CBiLL:

but mpeg hardware wasn't added into nvidia until 5500 right?

[22:02:13]

BULLE:

what do you mean with "mpeg hardware" ?

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laga:

umm, are you planning on plugging the computer into the receiver?

[22:02:35]

BULLE:

diff generations of nvidias hardware have different capabilities in regards to accelerate mpeg2 playback

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CBiLL:

does not need to rely on cpu to decode mpeg

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CBiLL:

it done by the card chip

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CBiLL:

cpu usage is software mpeg support

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CBiLL:

old nvidia card did not have hardware mpeg on it so when you try to play a dvd movie on it .. it would have horrible frame rate

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BULLE:

CBiLL: afaik the only support for mpeg decoding offloading in linux si the XvMC api

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CBiLL:

everything would look so choppy etc

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laga:

not completely true.. read the "XvMC" article at http://wiki.mythtv.org/

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BULLE:

and for that, you need a gf4 i think

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laga:

BULLE: gf4 mx, gf4 ti won't work

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BULLE:

GeForce FX and newer products support both XvMC's "IDCT" and "motion-compensation" levels of acceleration. GeForce4 Ti products only support the motion-compensation level.

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CBiLL:

well I am planning on staying above that

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CBiLL:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814125041 what about this one?

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CBiLL:

does both s-video and hdtv out

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BULLE:

CBiLL: that one looks lovely! but i am biased, that is the card i picked for my new computer, that i just ordered =P

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CBiLL:

oh lol then this card it is!

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BULLE:

might still be a bit overkill

[22:07:20]

BULLE:

but hey

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CBiLL:

ok got the mobo card cpu .. let see the tuner .. man I really want to go with dual tuner .. is there a dual tuner supported by mythtv that not a pvr500?

[22:07:47]

CBiLL:

65 dollar card

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CBiLL:

man that like cheapo

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CBiLL:

lol

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CBiLL:

and I don't might a overkill on a 65 dollar card

[22:08:16]

CBiLL:

if it was over a hunderd then I would be thinking it as a overkill =P

[22:08:54]

CBiLL:

or is pvr500 the only dual tuner on the market?

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D-side:

regardless of its intended usage, i could never call a $100 video card "overkill" :)

[22:09:35]

D-side:

my new myth box will soon be a 3800+ X2 with a 6600GT in it. :)

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CBiLL:

are you using the same box for other purposes?

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fryfrog:

KriKEY!

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fryfrog:

6600GT is my windows gaming box gpu :)

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CBiLL:

6600 is what I have on my main desktop

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cornell:

Evening all

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CBiLL:

and play WoW/Everquest/Quake/HL2 etc

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minthome:

Sshhhh, don't talk about WoW

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minthome:

fryfrog!

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fryfrog:

minthome!

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minthome:

ok, well, i installed xine and i can play that lost video much much better than in myth

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** CBiLL wonder if he can play wow on his new MythTV box using remote control .. hrmmmmm **

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kenguru:

i have a question about program info.

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fryfrog:

ahah

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CBiLL:

I can see a problem with that already

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CBiLL:

I probably would get so mad after losing to a PVPer and throw remote at the tv screen

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CBiLL:

Ill need to add cable to the remote to prevent that happening

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kenguru:

what should i do when tv_grab_?? --configure script will found channels and info for those.

[22:16:28]

kenguru:

but mythfilldatabase --manual doesn't get that info.

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kenguru:

of course i run basic tv_grab_?? --days 1 and it displays program infos.

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Kelerion:

evening all

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Kelerion:

Juski: that report isn't there...404

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laga:

Kelerion: i can forward it to you

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laga:

Kelerion: or check your mail, mayb he's sent it already

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CBiLL:

BULLE : still around?

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laga:

Kelerion: i'll mail it to ya soon

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Kelerion:

ok..thanks

[22:47:16]

laga:

Kelerion: /msg me your email address please

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stuarta:

evening Kelerion

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dagfinnr:

is there any good way of tweaking the brightness/contrast and saturation/hue in mythtv? or do you just have to edit the channel table in the db?

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dagfinnr:

anyone here?

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stuarta_:

nope

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Kelerion:

evening stuarta :)

[22:59:27]

stuarta:

been having fun rebuilding my root raid array....

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stuarta:

horribly messy

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Borromini:

anyone in here using his tv out?

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Borromini:

and care to phpfi his xorg.conf? :-)

[23:00:17]

** stuarta makes a note to do more backups **

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dagfinnr:

:P

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Kelerion:

stuarta: got everything back up and running this afternoon... only took an hour or so... :)

[23:01:55]

stuarta:

took longer than that to work out what was going on...

[23:02:14]

stuarta:

bug in the new mdadm package

[23:02:38]

Kelerion:

ouch

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laga:

Kelerion: i'll need your email address :)

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Kelerion:

laga: craig -at- 8010.co.uk

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laga:

Kelerion: funny. my keyboard has stopped working.

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tank-man:

how you typing?

[23:03:53]

laga:

tank-man: different computer

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tank-man:

ok :)

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stuarta:

and to think I thought he was using esp

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** Kelerion chuckles **

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Kelerion:

voice recog! :)

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Kelerion:

stuarta: you get to see how the other stuart was doing? I read what had happened

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stuarta:

no, since his sister had it all under control i didn't go...

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Kelerion:

ahh ok... sounded quite nasty

[23:07:29]

Kelerion:

glad he's outta trouble now though

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stuarta:

indeed

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Kelerion:

I ain't buying him a pint again! :)

[23:08:03]

stuarta:

he might break again.

[23:08:10]

Kelerion:

exactly

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Kelerion:

if we meet again... he's strictly on juice

[23:08:55]

laga:

i was actually wondering when you guys would start making fun of him.

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stuarta:

we, however will consume lots of beer and Jack Daniels

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minthome:

ouch... i'm still hungover from last night

[23:09:36]

Kelerion:

well come on... am sure he wouldn't have been climbing railings if he'd been sober..and if he had.. he'd have done a better job of it! :)

[23:10:29]

Kelerion:

important thing is he's ok... but was still a daft thing to do :)

[23:11:09]

stuarta:

there's one rule about hostels, pick 1 that doesn't have a curfew

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Kelerion:

sounds like a good idea... especially when you have plans to go out for a drink after an event

[23:12:12]

minthome:

the other rule is screw a hostle and pay the extra 20 and get a B&B

[23:12:41]

Kelerion:

I really screwed the hotels up on that trip.. lol

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Kelerion:

it put me about 200 quid over what I was expecting to spend.. lol

[23:13:28]

Kelerion:

was worth it though... really enjoyed it

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stuarta:

live and learn

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Kelerion:

indeed :)

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stuarta:

ah shit, i have about 3000 unread emails

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** Kelerion laughs **

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Kelerion:

get procmail working! lol

[23:17:20]

Kelerion:

it's wierd when you can place the accent in irc.. lol

[23:17:22]

stuarta:

it is. they are spread across 8 message

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sphery:

Darn. I had tickets 2619, 2620, 2621, and 2622, and someone snuck in 2623 before I finished 2624's patch...

[23:18:18]

laga:

Kelerion: no, email for ya. i forgot the password to my mail box and i'm getting increasingly pissed off..

[23:18:30]

Kelerion:

ahh... no worries :)

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stuarta:

Kelerion: the link he emailed you not work?

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Kelerion:

nope...404

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stuarta:

ah well...

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Kelerion:

just tried again...still not there

[23:20:32]

Kelerion:

not even appearing in the search

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simon_c_home:

Hi all. I'm trying to setup my mythbox to record from the composite in on my analogue capture card. The idea is I will use this to dump off sky+ recordings.

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simon_c_home:

only problem is, I can't seem to persuade it to give the it a channel number without scanning for channels (which there won't be any of)

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stuarta:

you need to look into channel changers

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simon_c_home:

stuarta: I'm not bothered about changing channels, I just want to schedule manual recordings on it.

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stuarta:

so you want to set the channel manually, and then just tell myth to record?

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simon_c_home:

yeh. But the probelm is, I can't get a channel number assigned to the composite1 input.

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simon_c_home:

it wants to scan, and then puts 30+ channels with nothing on them into the database, which all seem to be the RF channels.

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simon_c_home:

(no rf plugged into the card, I to the DV recordings on the DVB-T card inthe box, which all works great)

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stuarta:

have you a different data source for the composite input?

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simon_c_home:

Yes. Let me check what I've got in there.

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simon_c_home:

capture card V4L /dev/video0: Video source composite1 setup. Input connections V4L: /dev/video0 Composite1 -> composite 1

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simon_c_home:

but it has this "staring channel" set in the input connections, but no way to tell it that there *isn't* channels on compsite1.

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simon_c_home:

or even there is one channel, with no data.

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CrocoJet:

Hi all

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CrocoJet:

PlayTV Pro Ultra is compatible with mythtv ?

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CrocoJet:

decoder 10 bits

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CrocoJet:

use chipset CX23883

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stuarta:

CrocoJet: you'll need to find out if the kernel supports it

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kormoc:

you could just lookup and see if that chipset has video4linux support

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CrocoJet:

ok

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laga:

try http://www.linuxtv.org

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CrocoJet:

laga, let me see .. thanks

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CrocoJet:

The cx2388x chip is the successor to the bt87x chips; cf. PCI interface chipsets used for v4l cards.

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CrocoJet:

There is also support in the kernel for a cx23416 mpeg encoder via the cx2388x host port though the blackbird driver, cx88-blackbird.c, which includes parts from the ivtv driver.

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CrocoJet:

:)))

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laga:

will the mpeg encoder work with mythtv? ;)

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simon_c_home:

ahhh. I tried editing the table directly to create a channel, and now recordigs have a channel ID (in the filename) of 4294967295 !

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laga:

i think plutehome had some kind of compatibility layer. i'm not sure if that worked well/at all

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simon_c_home:

dispite the fact taht in channels, I've given it a channum of 1001

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