| Thursday, October 26th, 2006, 00:01 UTC | ||
| [00:01:54] | CBiLL: | look like gigabyte is the only one that make spdif in/out for 775 micro atx board |
| [00:02:39] | Dibblah: | Cablecard... On a PC. Uhuh. That's gonna happen ;) |
| [00:02:58] | CBiLL: | there beta happening I think |
| [00:03:04] | CBiLL: | let me see if I can get you the link |
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| [00:04:11] | CBiLL: | http://www.anandtech.com/tradeshows/showdoc.aspx?i=2662&p=2 |
| [00:04:15] | CBiLL: | here one |
| [00:05:33] | GreyFoxx: | netw1z: Mythgame isn't an executable persay. It's a plugin library that myth loads and executes |
| [00:05:43] | GreyFoxx: | IT's not something you can run at the commandline |
| [00:06:14] | Savage1: | hey folks |
| [00:06:16] | Captain_Murdoch: | unless you run "mythfrontend mythgame" ;) |
| [00:06:21] | Savage1: | I got that hauppauge 150 media center kit there |
| [00:06:28] | Savage1: | can't get my input card to work |
| [00:06:42] | Savage1: | on the input card I chose the one that says mpg hauppauge x50 or something to that effect |
| [00:06:53] | Savage1: | and also my transcoding daemon isn't started according to my dvd ripper |
| [00:06:56] | GreyFoxx: | capt-rogers: True enough, cept you can't get at the settings screens that way :) |
| [00:06:57] | Savage1: | and advice |
| [00:07:30] | GreyFoxx: | capt-rogers: And I find anytime I do that I have to CTRL-C mythfrontend to exit heh |
| [00:07:59] | Captain_Murdoch: | looking at the code it even appears you can link mythfrontend to "mythgame" and it will auto-run the plugin. |
| [00:08:00] | GreyFoxx: | Both of those should have said Captain_Murdoch, darn nickcompleteion |
| [00:08:05] | Captain_Murdoch: | yeah. :) |
| [00:08:32] | Captain_Murdoch: | probably something that's not tested very much. |
| [00:08:52] | Captain_Murdoch: | I've used it once or twice in testing so I didn't have to navigate menus to test a plugin change. |
| [00:09:03] | GreyFoxx: | yeah, I only do it for testing the gametree and skipping navigating to it |
| [00:09:07] | GreyFoxx: | yeah |
| [00:09:46] | GreyFoxx: | I've got a little patch to commit, but before I do I need to rewrite the help section. But it's hard getting in all the info I wanna put in that little space :) |
| [00:10:16] | Captain_Murdoch: | know what you mean. Robert ends up changing some of mine occasionally because I wasn't clear enough because I was trying to save space. :) |
| [00:10:39] | Savage1: | hey there |
| [00:10:47] | Savage1: | either of you guys got any experience w/ the problem I'm having |
| [00:10:49] | Savage1: | could use some help |
| [00:10:57] | GreyFoxx: | I changed it so that you can chain commands with ; when starting the game. I find I keep having to reset my nvidia cards overscan settings and such each time and didn'twant to write wrappers for all of the emulators |
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| [00:12:14] | Captain_Murdoch: | Savage1: you should select the x50 one yes. make sure you can use the ivtv driver correctly first by trying something like "mplayer /dev/video0" or "cat /dev/video > /tmp/file.mpg ; mplayer /tmp/file.mpg" |
| [00:12:33] | xanderp: | quick question, will MythArchive run the archive encoding on the frontend or backend on a multi-system configuration? |
| [00:13:07] | GreyFoxx: | Captain_Murdoch: how's the storage group stuff going ? |
| [00:13:18] | Captain_Murdoch: | xanderp: wherever you run mytharchive. currently it has a bug that makes you run it on the backend, but the author is aware of that and will fix it so that it can run on any machine that can read the recording file. |
| [00:14:05] | xanderp: | awesome... i'm thinking of using a NAS for the storage, and my backend is a little underpowered, so launching the frontend on my desktop to encode is preferred... |
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| [00:14:44] | Captain_Murdoch: | great. been discussing it madly with Bruce and David Engel and have changed a couple things based on their feedback. |
| [00:14:46] | Dibblah: | CBiLL: Interesting. Thanks! However, that's vista. Therefore TCPM land. |
| [00:14:56] | CBiLL: | np |
| [00:15:11] | GreyFoxx: | Captain_Murdoch: Cool. It looks very handy |
| [00:15:14] | Dibblah: | ... Which, once again, won't work with Linux. Joy. |
| [00:15:31] | CBiLL: | yup like I said if mythtv ever get it working that will be great but I am sure it heavy encrytped and DRM'ed |
| [00:15:49] | CBiLL: | companies underesimate linux world you know 8-) |
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| [00:16:34] | Captain_Murdoch: | will be pretty powerful. big things left are the AutoExpire code and the logic to pick the directory to use into the master so the scheduler can tell the recorder where to put the file at instead of having the recorder make an uninformed decision on its own. |
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| [00:17:14] | xanderp: | i'm about to migrate my backend from an AMD64 3400+ machine w/1gig ram to a dual P3 550Mhz box with like 650Megs of ram, i have 3 pvr150s for the system, but it will only be a backend. Do I have too little CPU power for that? |
| [00:17:40] | Borromini: | you got hardware encoding so i guess not |
| [00:17:45] | Borromini: | but it might be tight |
| [00:18:08] | GreyFoxx: | xanL: you have more than enough :) |
| [00:18:15] | xanderp: | i hope it would be ok, as the box will basically only need to write the data to the disk, or stream it out to the network. |
| [00:18:49] | xanderp: | i may in the future be streaming to as many as 3 frontends, but i would think the bottleneck would be bandwidth, not cpu at that point. |
| [00:19:13] | GreyFoxx: | Your box should be able to handle 3 frontends |
| [00:19:18] | Captain_Murdoch: | xanderp: I have 3 M179 cards (the AverMedia equivalent to the hauppauge PVR-250) in a P3–500 system with 512MB of RAM and it hardly breaks a sweat. |
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| [00:19:43] | Captain_Murdoch: | I have 2 HD air2pc cards in a P3–700 slave backend. |
| [00:19:59] | xanderp: | awesome... I don't know how much the fedora box actually would USE the dual proc in backend use, but hoped it would help. |
| [00:21:16] | xanderp: | my goal is to free up my most powerful box from backend use, and be able to use it as my desktop ;) |
| [00:22:21] | Captain_Murdoch: | my 2 backends plus my one frontend are barely 2.2Ghz combined and half of that is the 1.0Ghz frontend. I transcode the HD to SD currently. |
| [00:22:48] | Captain_Murdoch: | transcoding is done on another box though. |
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| [00:23:11] | xanderp: | nice... |
| [00:24:01] | CBiLL: | This will be the mobo I will get if I find the spdif adapter http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813128024 |
| [00:24:22] | xanderp: | why the 2 backends? too many tuners for a single box? |
| [00:24:55] | CBiLL: | I am doing hd and closed caption overlay |
| [00:25:03] | Borromini: | night |
| [00:25:05] | CBiLL: | with analog tuner cable |
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| [00:25:17] | xanderp: | are we any closer to [CC] from the pvr150's? |
| [00:25:21] | CBiLL: | so 3 tuners 1 hdtv and 2 analog |
| [00:25:23] | Captain_Murdoch: | xanderp: 5 tuners (3 M179 cards and 2 air2pc HD cards) |
| [00:25:30] | xanderp: | ahh |
| [00:25:44] | CBiLL: | 150 can't do CC?? |
| [00:25:51] | GreyFoxx: | xanderp: It thought that has been working for a long time now |
| [00:25:55] | xanderp: | hmmm |
| [00:25:56] | CBiLL: | me too |
| [00:25:57] | Captain_Murdoch: | need to get a 6-slot system at least. |
| [00:25:59] | CBiLL: | I hope so |
| [00:26:01] | xanderp: | checking |
| [00:26:06] | CBiLL: | cuz I want to get the pvr500 |
| [00:26:10] | CBiLL: | which is a dual 150 right? |
| [00:26:16] | GreyFoxx: | CBiLL: pretty much |
| [00:26:21] | Joffray: | CC is only on the 250 and 350 I think |
| [00:26:28] | CBiLL: | let me know what you find xanderp |
| [00:26:35] | CBiLL: | well shoot |
| [00:26:38] | CBiLL: | if that the case |
| [00:26:39] | CBiLL: | hrmmp |
| [00:26:49] | GreyFoxx: | I thoughtthey had taken careof that a long time ago |
| [00:26:56] | CBiLL: | what the difference between the 250 and 350 thou? |
| [00:27:00] | ** GreyFoxx pulls up his ivtv list archives ** | |
| [00:27:17] | GreyFoxx: | CBiLL: The 350 has a mpeg decoder+tvout, otherwise they are the same |
| [00:27:26] | CBiLL: | a friend of mine that lives in netherland (euro line 22 CC) says his teletext works great on pvr500 |
| [00:27:54] | xanderp: | someone told me the 250 and 350 have slightly different quality of encoding. |
| [00:27:54] | CBiLL: | the 350 have analog out? |
| [00:28:05] | GreyFoxx: | the encoders are identical chips |
| [00:28:10] | xanderp: | hehe |
| [00:28:12] | GreyFoxx: | CBiLL: yes |
| [00:28:18] | CBiLL: | which type? rca or svideo? |
| [00:28:25] | xanderp: | teaches me to listen to gossip |
| [00:28:28] | GreyFoxx: | svideo I believe |
| [00:28:43] | CBiLL: | hrmmm can mythtv be configured to use the tv out on that card? |
| [00:28:48] | CBiLL: | instead of a video card |
| [00:28:51] | GreyFoxx: | in fact one of my 250's is actually a "freestyle" which has the exact same chip as a 350, decoder and all. Just no tvout connector on it :) |
| [00:28:58] | GreyFoxx: | CBiLL: yup |
| [00:29:04] | GreyFoxx: | people do it |
| [00:29:06] | xanderp: | hmmm... i just learned a lesson, changing the backend that a frontend is pointed at requires a restart of the frontend if the frontend has never attached to the new backend before. good to know |
| [00:29:17] | CBiLL: | so I can have a hdtv out on the video card and a analog out on the 350? |
| [00:29:48] | GreyFoxx: | CBiLL: Not really no |
| [00:29:59] | GreyFoxx: | it;'s one orthe other |
| [00:30:03] | CBiLL: | oh darn |
| [00:30:04] | CBiLL: | would be nice |
| [00:30:05] | GreyFoxx: | unless you want a lot of pain |
| [00:30:24] | CBiLL: | I got a hdtv projector but only analog tv |
| [00:30:25] | GreyFoxx: | they were testing CC with the 150's as of May 24th |
| [00:30:38] | GreyFoxx: | so it likely works by now |
| [00:30:43] | CBiLL: | that good to hear |
| [00:30:56] | CBiLL: | so it likly that pvr500 should work as well too? |
| [00:30:57] | GreyFoxx: | with an appropriate version of the driver |
| [00:31:06] | GreyFoxx: | I can only assume |
| [00:31:06] | xanderp: | i'm getting squat on mine at the moment... lemme check some things |
| [00:31:15] | GreyFoxx: | but if you ask the ivtv list they can tell you for sure |
| [00:31:43] | CBiLL: | xanderp : curious I am new to this game .. does mythtv decode the CC and overlay it on video before sending it out to tv? |
| [00:32:03] | GreyFoxx: | "only available in the ivtv-0.4.6 development snapshot from subversion." is a quote frm the email from Hans (main ivtv dev rightnow) |
| [00:32:11] | xanderp: | wow... my dual550 box is encoding an archive and i can watch from a separate frontend no problem... i thought it was going to choke! Nice! |
| [00:32:14] | GreyFoxx: | But that was from May24th, so itmight be in other stuff now |
| [00:32:47] | xanderp: | CBiLL: i think it does overlay it. |
| [00:32:56] | CBiLL: | that will be great if it does |
| [00:32:58] | GreyFoxx: | CBiLL: yes |
| [00:33:06] | GreyFoxx: | It's an overlay just like the OSD |
| [00:33:06] | CBiLL: | that one of the main reason I am doing mythtv |
| [00:33:10] | CBiLL: | for my projector |
| [00:33:12] | xanderp: | i wish it would just leave it in the video stream and my tv could do the work... :) |
| [00:33:18] | CBiLL: | cuz my projector doesn't have CC decoder in it |
| [00:33:36] | xanderp: | would=could |
| [00:33:44] | xanderp: | as in, optional |
| [00:33:50] | CBiLL: | will I be able to config and choose the fonts? |
| [00:34:02] | GreyFoxx: | xanderp: is it even possible to do that with a pc video card with tvout ? |
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| [00:34:29] | GreyFoxx: | CBiLL: There are menus for that stuff,I've never tested any of thoseoptions though |
| [00:35:10] | xanderp: | GreyFoxx: i have no idea... just wishing |
| [00:35:31] | xanderp: | CBiLL: there are options for picking OSD and CC fonts etc... |
| [00:35:54] | xanderp: | i'm on ivtv 0.7.1, is that recent? |
| [00:36:56] | GreyFoxx: | It looks like 0.7 and 0.7.1 will do CC with the 150 if you are using kernel 2.6.15 orlower. OR use ivtv 0.8 and kernel 2.6.18 |
| [00:37:08] | GreyFoxx: | as of Hans's post on Oct 21st |
| [00:37:16] | xanderp: | crap...i'm too high and too low at the same time!!! |
| [00:37:44] | xanderp: | i'm on 0.7.1 and 2.6.17 |
| [00:37:50] | GreyFoxx: | heh |
| [00:38:18] | xanderp: | hmmm |
| [00:38:23] | Zider: | too high? stop smoking :P |
| [00:38:26] | Zider: | *ducks* :P |
| [00:38:41] | xanderp: | Zider: it's that i'm 6'2" |
| [00:39:21] | Zider: | xanderp: doesn't tell me much.. I'm metric.. :P |
| [00:39:26] | CBiLL: | xanderp : go recomplie a new keneral and tell me if it works hehehehe 8-P |
| [00:41:16] | xanderp: | ummm 1.88meters |
| [00:41:31] | Zider: | ah |
| [00:41:53] | BULLE: | 188cm! |
| [00:41:54] | xanderp: | or do you do height in cm? 188cm |
| [00:42:02] | xanderp: | hehe |
| [00:42:07] | BULLE: | yeah, normaly we use cm |
| [00:42:08] | Zider: | well, in any metric numbers ;) |
| [00:42:15] | Zider: | BULLE: "we" do? |
| [00:42:20] | BULLE: | Zider: yes |
| [00:42:23] | BULLE: | Zider: we |
| [00:42:23] | CBiLL: | I am only 5'11" one more damn inch and I would been a 6 footer =P |
| [00:42:25] | Dibblah: | Or 18.8 decimeters. |
| [00:42:38] | Zider: | BULLE: well, "we" don't do it like "you" do it I guess :P |
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| [00:42:56] | BULLE: | Zider: i bet you do! if you go to your medical journal etc |
| [00:43:00] | Dibblah: | But then that's a silly number. Like furlongs per fortnight. |
| [00:43:03] | xanderp: | .00188KM |
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| [00:43:08] | BULLE: | hehe |
| [00:43:15] | Zider: | BULLE: the medical journal doesn't tell my current height |
| [00:43:32] | BULLE: | Zider: should contain your adult height, no ? |
| [00:43:43] | Zider: | BULLE: 10 years ago maybe |
| [00:43:43] | xanderp: | Zider: Odd, mine's in there. Did you check the index? |
| [00:44:00] | Zider: | xanderp: my CURRENT height is not in there |
| [00:44:27] | BULLE: | Zider: just check your passport etc, it will tell your length in cm, not m |
| [00:44:34] | Zider: | BULLE: don't have any |
| [00:44:38] | Dibblah: | Only if you're dead. |
| [00:44:41] | Zider: | anymore at least |
| [00:44:42] | Dibblah: | Or sleeping. |
| [00:44:48] | xanderp: | Zider: I found your current height in mine. Maybe my book is more recent. ;) |
| [00:44:57] | Zider: | xanderp: probably ;) |
| [00:45:21] | Zider: | Dibblah: who's dead? |
| [00:45:29] | Dibblah: | "length"...? |
| [00:45:33] | xanderp: | Zider, it's also got a nice photo of you drinking an icy cold beverage on page 112. |
| [00:45:49] | frankrizzo: | hi, I am getting a transcode error 247 when trying to transcode from recordings. From reading the fourms, it looks like I need to apply some updates to .20, but I am not sure how do do so. I am running fedora 5 |
| [00:45:50] | Zider: | Dibblah: length, height.. same shit for a person imo.. :P |
| [00:46:26] | Zider: | xanderp: when did you got measured last? and why? :P |
| [00:46:48] | xanderp: | probably in the military. medical examination |
| [00:47:30] | xanderp: | i'm probably shrinking as old as i'm getting these days... (and older every moment) |
| [00:47:50] | frankrizzo: | so I guess my question is, how do I update mythtv from .20 to .20 + patches with yum |
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| [00:48:07] | xanderp: | frankrizzo: i'm not ignoring you, I just don't know the answer. |
| [00:48:09] | Zider: | xanderp: same here.. and that was 10 yeara ago :P |
| [00:48:19] | Zider: | yearS |
| [00:48:37] | frankrizzo: | i didnt know you were, i was just giving a little more information |
| [00:48:41] | Zider: | and still, just because they use cm in the journals doesn't mean I do ;) |
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| [00:51:24] | xanderp: | I like to measure things with light. Much more accurate. I'm 1.988099548e-16 light year's tall. |
| [00:51:29] | BULLE: | frankrizzo: just wait until new versions are available and then do a "yum upgrade" ? |
| [00:51:45] | frankrizzo: | transcoding is broken for me though |
| [00:52:00] | frankrizzo: | which means i am storing all of my shows in huge huge format |
| [00:52:27] | frankrizzo: | id like to compress them and get rid of the commercials with the built in transcoding, and it appears that there was a bug in the initial release of .20 |
| [00:52:49] | xanderp: | have you tried a yum upgrade to see if you have anything out of date? |
| [00:52:58] | BULLE: | frankrizzo: as i said, you will either have to build the new rpms yourself, by altering the spec file, adding the patches etc, or wait for the package maintainers to do so |
| [00:53:11] | BULLE: | frankrizzo: are you using the at-rpm mythtv repository ? |
| [00:53:16] | frankrizzo: | yeah |
| [00:53:30] | BULLE: | so all you can do is wait until they upgrade then |
| [00:53:56] | BULLE: | what release of mythtv do you have ? |
| [00:54:04] | frankrizzo: | yum -y install mythtv-suite |
| [00:54:11] | frankrizzo: | thats what i used to install |
| [00:54:13] | frankrizzo: | .20 |
| [00:54:20] | BULLE: | no, not version |
| [00:54:21] | BULLE: | release |
| [00:54:31] | BULLE: | rpm -qi mythtv |
| [00:54:32] | frankrizzo: | how do I check that? |
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| [00:55:23] | lostinmyth: | frankrizzo: i have Release : 142.fc5.at |
| [00:55:25] | frankrizzo: | 137.fc5.at |
| [00:55:31] | BULLE: | so, 142 is around |
| [00:55:35] | BULLE: | upgrade to that then ? |
| [00:55:37] | lostinmyth: | yip |
| [00:55:38] | BULLE: | i have 141 myself it seems |
| [00:55:50] | frankrizzo: | so i can just used the command I pasted above to do that? |
| [00:55:53] | frankrizzo: | with yum? |
| [00:55:59] | xanderp: | Just to chime in: i'm on 140.fc5.at, and it seems to be working fine. |
| [00:56:00] | BULLE: | "yum upgrade" |
| [00:56:09] | lostinmyth: | i think i just did a yum update to get to that level, but then i may have atrpms not set with stable |
| [00:56:09] | BULLE: | is the best bet imho |
| [00:56:34] | xanderp: | when in doubt, upgrade aye? |
| [00:57:25] | BULLE: | xanderp: well, not always, but fc5 has been around for quite some time, the updates should just be minor |
| [00:57:28] | frankrizzo: | only when I have to :-) upgraded often break things |
| [00:57:33] | lostinmyth: | xanderp: i would say once u got it working, never upgrade |
| [00:58:28] | xanderp: | lostinmyth: my sentiments exactly, and then do an image of your machine before changing anything major (like to try getting CC working for example, xanderp still killing self over that one) |
| [00:58:51] | BULLE: | just take a snapshot |
| [00:58:52] | BULLE: | via lvm |
| [00:58:56] | frankrizzo: | damn, fedora is saying "Cannot find a valid baseurl for repo: updates" |
| [00:59:03] | kormoc: | xanderp, well, for me, CC just automagically worked |
| [00:59:11] | frankrizzo: | it downloaded the first 3 of 6 |
| [00:59:24] | xanderp: | frankrizzo: i've been getting that same error on ALL my fedora machines today when i try to do updates |
| [00:59:24] | lostinmyth: | frankrizzo: go to /etc/yum.repos.d |
| [00:59:47] | frankrizzo: | 'k |
| [00:59:54] | lostinmyth: | and vi fedora-updates.repo |
| [00:59:59] | xanderp: | but mine is complaining about core |
| [01:00:13] | frankrizzo: | k |
| [01:00:15] | lostinmyth: | remove the # infront of baseurl |
| [01:00:37] | CBiLL: | xanderp : are you going to test the CC in 150 later? |
| [01:00:40] | lostinmyth: | xanderp: fedora-core.repo for u |
| [01:00:56] | frankrizzo: | how do i save and exit in vi? |
| [01:01:04] | xanderp: | odd... i have Source, but not just plaine core... fixing |
| [01:01:08] | lostinmyth: | <esc> :wq |
| [01:01:17] | frankrizzo: | thnak |
| [01:01:18] | frankrizzo: | s |
| [01:01:47] | xanderp: | i just use nano, i'm too lazy to remember vi |
| [01:01:53] | frankrizzo: | yeah, me too |
| [01:02:01] | frankrizzo: | i wasnt thinking though and just did what he said |
| [01:02:19] | xanderp: | but vi is VERY powerful when you need it. |
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| [01:02:54] | GreyFoxx: | heh |
| [01:02:57] | CBiLL: | I just get the file to windows computer and edit the damn thing then send it back to linux box hehe |
| [01:03:05] | frankrizzo: | argg, now i am getting the same error for core |
| [01:03:05] | CBiLL: | I am real too lazy to learn linux editors |
| [01:03:09] | GreyFoxx: | It's the only editor I use unless I'm forcedto use MS Word :) |
| [01:03:12] | frankrizzo: | its not in the same place is it? |
| [01:03:13] | Joffray: | I use nano for 99% of things |
| [01:03:18] | Joffray: | nano/pico |
| [01:03:26] | Joffray: | whichever name you call it |
| [01:03:31] | BULLE: | vi! |
| [01:03:38] | Joffray: | yea, I should use vi |
| [01:03:41] | CBiLL: | I used vi for small edits locally |
| [01:03:42] | GreyFoxx: | Vi/ViM for all editing/coding/mass find and replace |
| [01:03:43] | lostinmyth: | frankrizzo: keep editing until it runs |
| [01:03:48] | kormoc: | frankrizzo, it could just be the overloaded servers |
| [01:03:54] | xanderp: | CBiLL: i've screwed up files doing that (accidental text to binary and binary to text conversions are a bitch!) |
| [01:04:03] | lostinmyth: | because fc6 out |
| [01:04:11] | BULLE: | i think that is the cause |
| [01:04:19] | CBiLL: | not if you get the right editor |
| [01:04:20] | BULLE: | so uncommenting the baseurl will just blast those servers aswell i guess |
| [01:04:23] | CBiLL: | I use Textpad |
| [01:04:43] | CBiLL: | http://www.textpad.com/ |
| [01:04:48] | CBiLL: | got it all |
| [01:05:02] | lostinmyth: | could someone give me advice on a cheap HD tuner that works in mythtv and has qam 256 and can tune to the 200+ range? |
| [01:05:06] | xanderp: | frankrizzo: it's the same as me, you just need to uncomment the baseurl on each of the repo's. |
| [01:05:15] | frankrizzo: | k |
| [01:05:20] | frankrizzo: | thats reallllll annoyin |
| [01:05:21] | frankrizzo: | 'g |
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| [01:06:11] | kormoc: | frankrizzo, for the future, you'll want to undo the changes you are doing |
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| [01:06:21] | frankrizzo: | really, why is that? |
| [01:06:25] | kormoc: | frankrizzo, the changes you are making are just disabling the mirror list |
| [01:06:57] | kormoc: | frankrizzo, so it won't use a mirror, and thus you'll hit fedora's servers all the time, they don't preticular care for that, so it would be nice to go back to using the mirrors once they work |
| [01:07:00] | xanderp: | so uncommenting the baseurl turns OFF using the mirrors? |
| [01:07:07] | kormoc: | xanderp, aye |
| [01:07:14] | xanderp: | ahh gotcha |
| [01:07:23] | frankrizzo: | thanks for explaining |
| [01:07:28] | kormoc: | no problems |
| [01:07:32] | xanderp: | i like round robin dns to fix those problems, like pool.ntp.org |
| [01:07:45] | kormoc: | yeah, it would be nice at times |
| [01:08:01] | xanderp: | if you can rely on the mirrors being in sync. |
| [01:08:20] | kormoc: | tho, we just have a internal mirror and dns poision fedora.redhat.com to point the mirror lists to our internal mirror, and thus it doesn't matter for us if redhat's mirror list is down :P |
| [01:08:24] | grndslm: | so....0.20 is stable, right??? i just got a new hard drive and figured it'd be wortha shot to try out |
| [01:08:33] | kormoc: | aye, 0.20 is the stable release |
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| [01:08:44] | grndslm: | and...what distro do most of you use? |
| [01:08:46] | kormoc: | might want to grab 0.20-fixes if you're gonna compile it yourself |
| [01:08:51] | grndslm: | edgy, dapper, other?? |
| [01:08:58] | kormoc: | I use gentoo, but most seem to perfer ubuntu or fedora |
| [01:08:58] | GreyFoxx: | grndslm: Slackware here |
| [01:09:09] | grndslm: | how hard is it to compile from scratch?? |
| [01:09:16] | grndslm: | any good howtos? |
| [01:09:20] | kormoc: | grantm, those aren't distros, those are versions of ubuntu, and ubuntu is the distro |
| [01:09:26] | BULLE: | grndslm: fedora core 5 |
| [01:09:27] | xanderp: | kormoc: i do the same thing to our work dns servers to block uses from going places they shouldn't (they are not that savvy to go around it) |
| [01:09:28] | kormoc: | the wiki and offical docs talk about it |
| [01:09:29] | lostinmyth: | i use fedora, with a pvr150 |
| [01:09:32] | GreyFoxx: | www.mythtv.org has compile from scratch instructuctions Ibelieve |
| [01:09:42] | grndslm: | BULLE, yea, yea...go play with yourself |
| [01:09:54] | ** kormoc raises an eyebrow ** | |
| [01:09:56] | BULLE: | grndslm: eh ? |
| [01:10:03] | kormoc: | that that doesn't seem called for... |
| [01:10:16] | lostinmyth: | grndslm: http://wilsonet.com/mythtv/ < i think one of the best sites |
| [01:10:27] | frankrizzo: | yeah, that one helped me with almost everything |
| [01:10:55] | grndslm: | yea, yea...you dang linux zealots are too dang nit-picky.... |
| [01:10:59] | grndslm: | maybe that's a good thing tho, dunno |
| [01:11:04] | xanderp: | my gentoo installs take the longest but run the fastest. (takes forever to upgrade to new versions though) and my fedora installs run like champs, but slower than gentoo overall. |
| [01:11:04] | grndslm: | sorry BULLE |
| [01:11:05] | ** kormoc raises an eyebrow ** | |
| [01:11:20] | lostinmyth: | i would probably use knoppmyth if the machine was only to be used as pvr |
| [01:11:24] | ** gardengnome raises both ** | |
| [01:11:33] | xanderp: | kormoc looks like spock! |
| [01:11:36] | grndslm: | lostinmyth, thanx for the site.... |
| [01:11:49] | grndslm: | how do you do that * stuff?? |
| [01:11:58] | kormoc: | /me looks around |
| [01:11:58] | xanderp: | it's a /me |
| [01:12:00] | CBiLL: | does the pvr350 have a rca video in? |
| [01:12:02] | ** kormoc looks around ** | |
| [01:12:17] | ** grndslm sips a beer ** | |
| [01:12:28] | ** xanderp slaps xanderp with a trout ** | |
| [01:12:42] | opello: | /ctcp #mythtv-users ACTION test |
| [01:12:44] | opello: | or that :) |
| [01:12:47] | ** opello test ** | |
| [01:12:48] | ** Joffray tells CBill about google ** | |
| [01:12:53] | xanderp: | i havn't seen a goot trout slap in ages... dang that's funny stuff! |
| [01:12:58] | opello: | oops, i guess i forgot the syntax |
| [01:13:15] | opello: | :( |
| [01:13:20] | xanderp: | goot is pseudo german for good?? |
| [01:13:28] | grndslm: | just outta curiousity, who's the lead developer that started myth? |
| [01:13:43] | kormoc: | grndslm, issac, aka chutt |
| [01:13:56] | xanderp: | myth was invented by aliens under the desert of arizona. |
| [01:13:57] | lostinmyth: | does any1 here run an ati HDTV wonder in myth? |
| [01:14:05] | grndslm: | xanderp, are you a scientologist? |
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| [01:14:19] | xanderp: | i can't even spell scientologist |
| [01:14:23] | xanderp: | oops i guess i can |
| [01:14:30] | grndslm: | hah....anybody think that myth could be outlawed in the states? |
| [01:14:40] | grndslm: | cuz it's TOO good? |
| [01:14:48] | xanderp: | anything can be outlawed by the US guvmnt. |
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| [01:14:59] | xanderp: | but does anyone care? |
| [01:15:13] | BULLE: | only reason i can see is the software patent issues |
| [01:15:15] | CBiLL: | nope |
| [01:15:24] | BULLE: | but just move the project out of the states |
| [01:15:33] | CBiLL: | but I would not be suprised if Tivo try to sue mythtv for the timewarp patent |
| [01:15:35] | grndslm: | true...i figured the cable cos would object to commercial skippage? |
| [01:16:06] | CBiLL: | tivo is suing every dvr maker out there |
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| [01:16:13] | grndslm: | brb...gotta go get another beer |
| [01:16:17] | xanderp: | there are hardware vendors that don't like the fact that opensource community reverse engineers their hardware. Odd if you ask me. OS community doing their work for them! they still sell HW, everyone should be happy |
| [01:16:18] | GreyFoxx: | CBiLL: timewarp ? Just faster playback aka Myth's timestretch ? |
| [01:16:22] | CBiLL: | hell tivo came close forcing dish network shutting down all thier DVRs |
| [01:16:41] | Joffray: | timewarp == record and watch later |
| [01:16:44] | Captain_Murdoch: | grndslm: I never signed any agreement with them saying I'd watch their commercials. |
| [01:16:46] | GreyFoxx: | jajajajaja |
| [01:16:54] | BULLE: | even my vhs recorder can timewarp then =) |
| [01:16:55] | GreyFoxx: | Joffray: My VCR has been doing that since 81 :) |
| [01:17:06] | Joffray: | tell that to TiVO |
| [01:17:10] | Captain_Murdoch: | just because someone patended the round-point shovel doesn't mean I can't make one myself and use it in my backyard. doesn't mean I can't loan it to you either. |
| [01:17:10] | Joffray: | and the US Patent Office |
| [01:17:17] | xanderp: | hmmm... if I play a 33 1/3 record at 76rpm... crap, I actually invented timewarp! |
| [01:17:21] | CBiLL: | timewarp is when show are delayed nanoseconds so you could pasuse or do anything you want |
| [01:17:45] | Joffray: | nanoseconds? heh |
| [01:17:52] | CBiLL: | well |
| [01:17:53] | jams: | dang it, I hate it when the backend thinks a remote frontend is still using a tuner |
| [01:17:56] | BULLE: | CBiLL: pretty fast reactions you got sir |
| [01:18:00] | CBiLL: | less a second then? |
| [01:18:20] | Joffray: | more like a second |
| [01:18:22] | CBiLL: | more like a second then |
| [01:18:38] | xanderp: | i hate it when i accidentally launch multiple copies of frontend on the same machine and don't realize it until i'm listening to 2 different shows at the same time... |
| [01:18:39] | CBiLL: | yeah I just check by bringing up a sat reciever menu |
| [01:18:53] | CBiLL: | it is about a second later after pressing remote button |
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| [01:19:04] | Joffray: | lol |
| [01:19:13] | Joffray: | pretty scientific system ya got there |
| [01:19:25] | CBiLL: | well I am still using replaytv |
| [01:19:30] | xanderp: | exactly and precisely 'a bit'. |
| [01:19:33] | CBiLL: | which I am going to replace with mythtv soon |
| [01:19:53] | xanderp: | which is significantly longer than 'a little bit'. |
| [01:19:55] | CBiLL: | if I can find the damn spdif adapter |
| [01:19:55] | grndslm: | soo...anybody here using the ubuntu distribution with 0.20....are you using the dapper or edgy version?? |
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| [01:20:31] | Joffray: | yes |
| [01:20:32] | Joffray: | dapper |
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| [01:20:48] | grndslm: | i figured i'd go ahead and use edgy since it's only going to be released tomorrow and has 2.6.17 which has support form my pvr-500 builtin |
| [01:20:54] | grndslm: | but ya know...it's still edgy |
| [01:21:00] | xanderp: | if a jiffy is the shortest increment of time, does that mean .5 jiffy is meaningless? |
| [01:23:28] | xanderp: | i never knew a fortnight was 2 weeks. i'm smarter now yay!!! |
| [01:24:08] | kormoc: | xanderp, .5 of a jiffy rounds up to 1, .49 on the other hand is meaningless! |
| [01:24:15] | xanderp: | hehe |
| [01:26:06] | xanderp: | I didn't know this either: 1 second is 100 million shakes. So "Be there in 2 shakes" is a VERY Fast rate of speed. |
| [01:27:10] | kormoc: | Did someone find wikipedia? |
| [01:27:39] | xanderp: | www.onlineconversion.com/time.htm |
| [01:27:55] | xanderp: | although i LOVE wikipedia... |
| [01:28:06] | kormoc: | heh, nice |
| [01:28:25] | grndslm: | sorry to interrupt the 4th dimension speak....but if dapper works well enough without pvr-150/500 support built-in, is installing edgy that HAS built-in support worth it? |
| [01:28:54] | grndslm: | i almost think i answered my own question |
| [01:29:19] | grndslm: | i think i'm sticking with dapper unless anyone has any major objections.... |
| [01:29:20] | xanderp: | hmmm if something works well enough, should i mess with it? tough one. |
| [01:30:00] | ** xanderp is a smartass tonght. Apologies all around. ** | |
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| [01:30:29] | grndslm: | aight...dapper it is...and compiling is the better choice? |
| [01:30:49] | grndslm: | i'm sure the gentoo/slackware users would obviously say yes |
| [01:31:00] | grndslm: | but for semi-noobs? |
| [01:31:11] | ** xanderp is on 2.6.18–1.2200.fc5smp now. Once I get booted I can see if my [CC] works now. :( ** | |
| [01:32:13] | xanderp: | i only compile on something other than gentoo if i can't wait for the full release, or it's broken for my hardware. but i'm ignorant, so YMMV. |
| [01:33:11] | grndslm: | noo....I'M ignorant |
| [01:33:27] | grndslm: | but i guess i'll give it a try then |
| [01:33:29] | ** xanderp knows ALMOST enough to be dangerous. ** | |
| [01:33:45] | grndslm: | modest, eh? |
| [01:34:03] | grndslm: | you know you're a bad arse |
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| [01:34:48] | grndslm: | i've tried compiling 0.19 before, but i didn't have so much luck....IMHO, anybody who can compile mythtv is dangerous |
| [01:35:09] | grndslm: | anyway...i'm gonna have to get to work before i get TOO drunk |
| [01:35:21] | xanderp: | gentoo makes that easier, emerge -pv mythtv isn't exactly rocket science. |
| [01:36:05] | BULLE: | xanderp: well, its a bit more to do then that, before it is upp and running |
| [01:36:08] | grndslm: | but installing gentoo itself, i hear, is a lil too tricky |
| [01:36:13] | BULLE: | xanderp: lirc can be pretty annoying in gentoo |
| [01:36:26] | BULLE: | grndslm: its not that bad nowadays, it even has a gui installer for you |
| [01:36:30] | xanderp: | BULLE: that was my worst part. lirc |
| [01:36:34] | BULLE: | yeah |
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| [01:36:58] | grndslm: | using an IR keyboard/universal remote would prolly be a better bet |
| [01:37:07] | xanderp: | and i learned it all on an amd64 back when 64bit was NEW and SHINEY! (read:broken) |
| [01:37:33] | CBiLL: | curioius what distro is widely supported with mythtv? |
| [01:37:35] | xanderp: | my other 'fun' part was getting microsoft bluetooth keyboard/mouse working on amd64 gentoo |
| [01:38:04] | xanderp: | fedora has a very large user base, and I believe several devs code to it as well. |
| [01:38:11] | CBiLL: | ah nice |
| [01:38:16] | CBiLL: | I used FC myself |
| [01:38:21] | Dibblah: | Gentoo GUI installer. Heh. Now that's a nasty trick. |
| [01:38:29] | CBiLL: | hell my website server is still using FC1 too lazy to upgrade it |
| [01:38:49] | CBiLL: | but I always keep the security fixes up to date thou |
| [01:38:54] | Dibblah: | "My, that was easy to install. Ummmm.... What now?" |
| [01:38:57] | CBiLL: | only been hacked once since then |
| [01:41:50] | D-side: | heh. |
| [01:41:55] | D-side: | "only once" |
| [01:42:09] | xanderp: | great, i yum upgraded now it doesn't see my pvr150's |
| [01:42:20] | CBiLL: | dang |
| [01:42:41] | CBiLL: | gentoo have yum? I thought they use emerge |
| [01:42:55] | xanderp: | this is on one of my fedora boxes |
| [01:43:38] | CBiLL: | ohhh ok |
| [01:43:52] | CBiLL: | I saw you talking about gentoo earlier so I just assumed |
| [01:43:55] | xanderp: | modprobe ivtv returns ivtv module not found. crap. now i have to actually THINK! |
| [01:44:08] | kormoc: | gentoo could use yum,... wouldn't be very happy... but could be done |
| [01:44:12] | xanderp: | gentoo is my beefy backend that i'm retiring to be my desktop |
| [01:44:21] | frankrizzo1985: | i did the yum upgrade, but it didnt upgrade the mythtv version to 141 or 142 |
| [01:44:50] | frankrizzo1985: | I am still on 137 |
| [01:45:08] | xanderp: | could i just yum upgrade mythtv to get it to reinstall ivtv for me? |
| [01:45:27] | dtm: | CBiLL: how exactly are you keeping an FC1 system updated? |
| [01:45:34] | dtm: | CBiLL: jus curious |
| [01:45:36] | CBiLL: | yum |
| [01:45:46] | Captain_Murdoch: | ./configure && make && sudo make install |
| [01:45:49] | CBiLL: | or rpm secuity patches |
| [01:45:51] | CBiLL: | if any |
| [01:46:11] | CBiLL: | beside I got a new rack |
| [01:46:15] | CBiLL: | a dual xeon |
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| [01:46:28] | CBiLL: | so I will be going to fc5 or some other distro |
| [01:46:28] | CBiLL: | on it |
| [01:46:31] | CBiLL: | and tranfer the fc1 websites to it |
| [01:46:33] | kormoc: | wasn't fc1 support discontinued? |
| [01:46:57] | CBiLL: | then convert the fc1 to latest fc and make it a mysql only backend for the websites |
| [01:47:07] | CBiLL: | it is discontinued |
| [01:47:23] | xanderp: | is there a good linux counterpart to sharepoint portal server that is easy for end users? |
| [01:47:27] | CBiLL: | but security fixes are avaiable if folks write them |
| [01:47:43] | CBiLL: | and some folks have private repoisty |
| [01:47:48] | CBiLL: | I can yum patches from |
| [01:48:29] | CBiLL: | I knew I evenly was going to get a new rack .. so I never bothered to update the FC1 |
| [01:49:17] | CBiLL: | one main reason I never bothered or too lazy to update is that the server is 4 hour drive from where I am at |
| [01:49:21] | CBiLL: | in a ISP office |
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| [01:49:51] | CBiLL: | and I am too scare to try remote update the keneral to later version that I would have to drive all the way down to fix it if it fails |
| [01:50:34] | xanderp: | does yum have something similar to eupdatedb that indexes the stuff you can install to make searches faster? |
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| [01:51:04] | xanderp: | CBill: you don't have a vpn to an IPKVM on a production web server? you are brave. |
| [01:51:10] | CBiLL: | with this new rack (waiting on the harddrive to come in) I will be driving down to the ISP next week or so and spending a whole day at thier office installing my new rack and tranferring from old rack to the new |
| [01:51:24] | CBiLL: | I use ssh |
| [01:51:55] | CBiLL: | very rarely I need to root access my production server |
| [01:52:07] | xanderp: | i use vpn to an ipkvm so that I can access the box while rebooting, change settings in the bios/raid card settings etc... |
| [01:52:12] | CBiLL: | and I use Plesk Web Management to maintain the customer websites on it |
| [01:52:26] | CBiLL: | for thoses |
| [01:52:29] | kormoc: | ipkvms are sweet |
| [01:52:33] | CBiLL: | I call the folk at the office =P |
| [01:52:40] | xanderp: | it's nice to be able to access a server WHILE it is booting remotly |
| [01:52:48] | CBiLL: | hey .. I am gonna reboot the server can you go stand by it 8-) |
| [01:53:15] | CBiLL: | but I did not know about the ipkvms |
| [01:53:17] | xanderp: | when <CTRL-M> is on the screen, hold down CTRL key and press M :) |
| [01:53:20] | CBiLL: | I will have to google and read up on it |
| [01:53:33] | xanderp: | you can get a single port one for cheap |
| [01:53:48] | CBiLL: | I will research on this .. making notes on it already |
| [01:53:53] | xanderp: | they have a fairly nice one at Fry's that allows secure access etc.. |
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| [01:54:26] | CBiLL: | does the rack have to support such feature? |
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| [01:54:45] | kormoc: | I wish it would get to be bios level and just work over the onboard network card, but that's more a pipe dream |
| [01:54:56] | xanderp: | if you get a nice one, it will have ssh enabled via ethernet, you just configure it to have an ip that you can get to. |
| [01:55:10] | CBiLL: | how does it work? |
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| [01:55:18] | xanderp: | kormoc: dell has that. it's called a DRAC card |
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| [01:55:22] | CBiLL: | it plug into the vga/keyboard/mouse port of the rack? |
| [01:55:28] | kormoc: | CBiLL, you treat it like a normal kvm, it plugs into the keyboard and video , aye |
| [01:55:39] | CBiLL: | oh nice I will check on that |
| [01:55:51] | kormoc: | xanderp, aye, blades do as well, but it'd be nice to see via the bios and thus more... consumer level :) |
| [01:55:52] | CBiLL: | that will make my life less stressful when I am trying to patch things |
| [01:56:38] | CBiLL: | every time I patch and reboot .. I always have to call to make sure there someone at the office near my backup server ready to restore if it fails heh |
| [01:56:45] | xanderp: | kormoc: yup. but on a pc i usually have console AT the console, so not a problem, and on a server, i can have a blade or DRAC card. |
| [01:57:10] | CBiLL: | xanderp : thanks for telling me about it |
| [01:57:32] | xanderp: | ok, i yum upgraded, and now it doesn't see my ivtv. i looked at package manager and it shows it installed. thoughts please. |
| [01:57:58] | xanderp: | i think i see the problem |
| [02:00:23] | xanderp: | 2.6.18–1.2200.fc5smp kernel, 2.6.18–1.2200.fc5 ivtv (not smp) would that be the problem? |
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| [02:03:46] | disant: | hello |
| [02:04:05] | disant: | anyone ever had a problem where the recording starts some 10 seconds before the channel switches? |
| [02:04:16] | CBiLL: | is yum config not set to ignore ivtv? |
| [02:04:51] | xanderp: | CBiLL: not sure |
| [02:04:58] | CBiLL: | look in it |
| [02:05:07] | CBiLL: | probably in etc/yum.conf |
| [02:05:21] | xanderp: | should it ignore it? |
| [02:05:23] | CBiLL: | I add packages in there that I don't want yum ot update |
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| [02:05:27] | CBiLL: | no |
| [02:05:50] | CBiLL: | check to make sure the package is not ignore in the conf |
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| [02:06:17] | xanderp: | ahh i found it. on my old kernel i was running ivtv-smp version, when i yum upgraded it upped me to NOT -smp version. |
| [02:06:28] | CBiLL: | cool |
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| [02:07:47] | xanderp: | crap... i wonder how many other things didn't pull in as smp that I don't know about. |
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| [02:09:02] | CBiLL: | also on my new rack I am switching from Plesk to Cpanel .. I have enough of Plesk |
| [02:09:10] | CBiLL: | too buggy to be a commerial software |
| [02:09:13] | xanderp: | gee, now i have ivtv... crap crap crap... i'm going to have to go through the entire 'installed' list to see where i'm missing smp now. |
| [02:09:34] | dtm: | CBiLL: updating fc1 to fc5 doesn't make any more sense than staying with fc1. using an OS with a 6 month upgrade cycle is not a professional course of action. you need centos. |
| [02:09:54] | dtm: | <3 |
| [02:09:57] | CBiLL: | yeah I might go with centos |
| [02:10:20] | dtm: | and there's essentially no difference between plesk or cpanel in terms of security or professional irresponsibility |
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| [02:10:38] | disant: | or ubuntu... which works like a charm |
| [02:10:39] | dtm: | it's a similarly unprofessional course of action, to use a proprietary outsourced control panel |
| [02:11:02] | dtm: | i.e. eventual total disaster |
| [02:11:07] | CBiLL: | heh |
| [02:11:13] | dtm: | quite literally impossible to secure |
| [02:11:14] | CBiLL: | the thing is |
| [02:11:19] | CBiLL: | it not for me |
| [02:11:33] | CBiLL: | it for the customers who demand having access to some of the things without having to ssh in |
| [02:11:36] | CBiLL: | ie mysql |
| [02:11:40] | CBiLL: | email accounts |
| [02:11:41] | CBiLL: | etc |
| [02:12:08] | CBiLL: | and I don't want to spend every working hours changing or adding or removing database accounts frntpage exentions |
| [02:12:09] | CBiLL: | etc |
| [02:12:36] | CBiLL: | which I have been doing on the FreeBSD before the FC1 |
| [02:13:00] | CBiLL: | I only switched to FC1 because of the Plesk and that time Plesk did not support centos |
| [02:13:20] | disant: | why would mythtranscode crash while transcoding recordings from some channles throwing a bad_alloc exception... |
| [02:14:05] | xanderp: | distant: i got bad_alloc problems before, i think there was a 'spinlock' hack i had to put in, but I don't remember any details. |
| [02:14:34] | xanderp: | could be totally irrelevant though. |
| [02:15:00] | xanderp: | off to bed |
| [02:15:04] | xanderp: | c-ya and thanks everyone |
| [02:15:06] | CBiLL: | nn xanderp |
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| [02:17:48] | frankrizzo1985: | i did the yum upgrade, but it didnt upgrade the mythtv version to 141 or 142. I am still on 137 |
| [02:17:53] | disant: | worth checking out though |
| [02:18:04] | frankrizzo1985: | I am on fedora 5 |
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| [02:39:48] | disant: | anyone ever had a problem where the recording starts some 10 seconds before the channel switches? |
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| [02:40:53] | robbins876: | yeah, i have |
| [02:41:04] | disant: | were you able to fix it? |
| [02:41:22] | robbins876: | nope, it only did it a couple of times, then stopped without intervention |
| [02:41:34] | disant: | ugh.. ok |
| [02:41:42] | robbins876: | sorry... |
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| [03:03:07] | disant: | why would mythtranscode crash while transcoding recordings from some channles throwing a bad_alloc exception... |
| [03:03:18] | disant: | ... so far... the same show |
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| [03:10:56] | robbins876: | any word on myth with FC6? |
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| [03:36:44] | grndslm: | umm....so i've got a strange question....i got this fancy shmancy new 320gb sata hd and i plugged it in....but when it's plugged in the bios always freezes at "Detecting IDE drives..." even tho it's not an ide drive, and reboots a few minutes later....and when the sata hd is unplugged, the bios works perfectly. WHAT GIVES?!? |
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| [03:38:42] | minthome: | so does 5+GB for an episode of lost sounds a little off to you guys orwhat? |
| [03:38:52] | frankrizzo1985: | is it HD? |
| [03:38:55] | Agrajag-: | how long is an episode of lost? |
| [03:39:18] | minthome: | 1 hr w/ commericals |
| [03:39:48] | minthome: | yeah, it is HD |
| [03:39:49] | Agrajag-: | if it's HD that sounds about right |
| [03:40:00] | minthome: | but still, 5Gig? |
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| [03:40:35] | grndslm: | so...nobody's gotta clue as to what my problem is? |
| [03:40:43] | Agrajag-: | grndslm: wrong channel? |
| [03:40:51] | dvorak1: | Hi All, I am trying to install mythtv over gentoo |
| [03:40:56] | dvorak1: | I keep getting this error |
| [03:40:56] | grndslm: | Agrajag, i realize...but i'm not sure where to look |
| [03:41:12] | dvorak1: | SELECT NULL; |
| [03:41:12] | dvorak1: | No error type from QSqlError? Strange... |
| [03:41:12] | dvorak1: | 2006-10–11 18:13:34.647 Unable to connect to database! |
| [03:41:13] | dvorak1: | 2006-10–11 18:13:34.647 No error type from QSqlError? Strange... |
| [03:41:13] | dvorak1: | QSqlQuery::exec: database not open |
| [03:41:14] | dvorak1: | QSqlQuery::exec: database not open |
| [03:41:14] | dvorak1: | 2006-10–11 18:13:34.701 DB Error (KickDatabase): |
| [03:41:27] | Agrajag-: | minthome: what do you expect? find out what the bitrate is, then figure out if 5gig an hour is right |
| [03:41:29] | dvorak1: | mysql is running and i can connect from command line |
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| [03:42:12] | Agrajag-: | dvorak1: don't paste like that please.. do you have qt mysql stuff? is your db config set correctly? |
| [03:42:18] | minthome: | well, i just wonder how i can d/l a 350MB mpg from a torrent site, and it still looks HD, just as HD as my 5GB file, *sigh |
| [03:42:42] | dvorak1: | oops! sorry. yes, I have mysql support compiled into qt and it does create the libmysql plugin |
| [03:42:43] | frankrizzo1985: | you need to compress it |
| [03:42:53] | grndslm: | Agrajag, you have any suggestions on where to look for a solution? |
| [03:42:56] | Agrajag-: | minthome: because the 350meg mpg would be compressed using xvid or something, and your HD file isn't? |
| [03:43:23] | Agrajag-: | minthome: you'll find there's a huge difference if you watch it at a high res on a large tv |
| [03:43:28] | minthome: | Agrajag- isn't there a way to incode ............. yeah, with xvid live no? |
| [03:43:54] | minthome: | Agrajag- i have a 42 |
| [03:43:56] | minthome: | err |
| [03:43:57] | Agrajag-: | minthome: no. you can transcode after the recording.. buy a new hdd if you're that concerned, disc space is cheap |
| [03:45:01] | minthome: | Agrajag- i have a 42" read projection, and i've d/led heroes (350MB) and watched it on my teevee and it looks "nearly" the same as this damn 5gb file |
| [03:46:00] | Agrajag-: | perhaps your tv sucks |
| [03:46:02] | minthome: | Agrajag-, disk space is cheap.... i sigh at the fact that i need to drop another $500 though to keep my standards ;) |
| [03:46:21] | dvorak1: | i am sure my mysql db config is correct as well |
| [03:46:35] | dvorak1: | checked the mysql.txt file |
| [03:46:45] | minthome: | Agrajag- shall we not pick fun of each others teevees, as next cums our mothers ;) |
| [03:47:26] | minthome: | if 5gb is ~ correct, my ? is answered |
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| [03:50:45] | minthome: | nite all |
| [03:52:07] | dvorak1: | Agrajag: any pointers/ideas of fixing the mysql problem |
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| [04:03:33] | _dvorak_: | has anyone here have experience installing mythtv on gentoo? |
| [04:03:47] | disant: | grndslm, try playing w/master-slave setups |
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| [04:31:45] | tank-man: | dvorak1, enable remote connections to mysql |
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| [04:33:26] | tank-man: | look in your mysql start up script, comment out "--skip-networking" |
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| [08:57:36] | GazzaK: | is this the channel to ask for suggestions for a MythTV build parts list, ie fully known good hardware for a complete scratch built MythTV setup? |
| [08:58:10] | GazzaK: | I saw a demo at LinuxWorldUK2006 yesterday and it looked to be a very good and well finished bit of programming |
| [08:59:49] | qu0zl: | GazzaK, i think http://www.mythtvtalk.com/ has topics about suitable hardware. You could also check out the knoppmyth forums. They use mythtv so their hardware recommendations have to support it too |
| [09:00:17] | qu0zl: | you can use a lot of different hardware. The how-to has some pages on it. |
| [09:00:26] | GazzaK: | thanks qu0zl |
| [09:00:31] | qu0zl: | my personal main issue is to have a very quiet system |
| [09:00:47] | dtm: | GazzaK: good job for researching what's compatible with linux FIRST before buying |
| [09:00:53] | dtm: | most intelligent |
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| [09:01:23] | dtm: | GazzaK: hauppauge wintv cards are generally good |
| [09:01:32] | dtm: | mythtv.org's wiki has a hardware list of encoders |
| [09:03:09] | GazzaK: | same here, silence is important |
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| [09:03:38] | GazzaK: | dtm~ whatever I get will be ubuntu compliant :p then it has to work with mythtv |
| [09:03:40] | quicksilver: | the key to silence is probably: quiet motherboard fans, quiet CPU fan, quiet power supply |
| [09:03:55] | quicksilver: | worth paying a little extra for quiet CPU fans and power supplies, there are some good ones around |
| [09:04:00] | quicksilver: | quietpc.com is a UK supplier |
| [09:04:19] | GazzaK: | I'll get a silent psu, and a oversized fan on the cpu cooler, running a bit slower |
| [09:04:24] | quicksilver: | you can also try out software fan control, which I have played with but not got perfect |
| [09:04:27] | ** quicksilver nods ** | |
| [09:04:32] | GazzaK: | yep, I like quietpc.com |
| [09:04:35] | quicksilver: | I have a zalman super flower, it's almost silent |
| [09:04:45] | qu0zl: | key to silence is no fans far as i'm concerned ;) |
| [09:04:46] | quicksilver: | my stupid case fans are the noisy things but I disconnected two of them |
| [09:04:58] | qu0zl: | but quiet fans are so much better than cheap fans |
| [09:05:01] | quicksilver: | well I don't have to be *that* careful, there is ambient noise in my living room anyway |
| [09:05:18] | quicksilver: | (my TV isn't silent for example, even when not running a program) |
| [09:05:21] | GazzaK: | I will also look at getting a black or silver case, a smallish one, suitable to living room use (ie not looking like a computer, but a bit of hifi kit) |
| [09:05:34] | quicksilver: | Some of the silverstone cases are OK |
| [09:05:48] | quicksilver: | I went for a biggy because I wanted multiple tuner cards and hard drives |
| [09:05:59] | quicksilver: | really small ones don't let you install many cards... |
| [09:06:04] | qu0zl: | GazzaK, if you're a nerdy type (like many of us) and you have a server on all the time anyway you can even put the tuner and hard-drives in that |
| [09:06:11] | qu0zl: | and have a totally silent, disk-less, fanless frontend |
| [09:06:39] | GazzaK: | so the front end machine doesn't need to be the machine with the tv tuner in it? |
| [09:06:43] | qu0zl: | nope |
| [09:06:46] | GazzaK: | wow |
| [09:06:54] | GazzaK: | so it streams it over wifi? |
| [09:06:57] | qu0zl: | long as it has a good network connection to the backend. |
| [09:07:05] | qu0zl: | i've no tried wifi, i dunno how good it is over wifi |
| [09:07:12] | qu0zl: | 100mbit ethernet is fine anyway |
| [09:07:29] | GazzaK: | well 56mbps might be okay, but 11mbps will not be I suppose |
| [09:07:32] | qu0zl: | i'd have thought wifi should work but i havent tried it, and wifi is a bit flakey |
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| [09:08:10] | quicksilver: | it will just about stream over 11M if you have a strong connection and a very quiet network |
| [09:08:13] | quicksilver: | not recommended |
| [09:08:19] | quicksilver: | 56M should be more reliable |
| [09:08:29] | GazzaK: | great new that, as when I move house I will be using my main computer as a server, so could wire that up to the aerial and then run the laptop as the device which connects to the telly |
| [09:08:29] | quicksilver: | (this is assuming you're talking low-def, not HD of course) |
| [09:08:51] | quicksilver: | if your laptop has a supported TV-out card, then yes |
| [09:09:26] | GazzaK: | ahhh, that could be a problem |
| [09:09:38] | GazzaK: | but I could use the screen of the laptop to display the output? |
| [09:09:49] | GazzaK: | ie for bedroom/study use |
| [09:09:51] | quicksilver: | sure, if you want to watch TV on your laptop :) |
| [09:10:16] | GazzaK: | for use in the bedroom that will be fine |
| [09:10:22] | GazzaK: | great product |
| [09:11:16] | quicksilver: | it's impressive, yes :) |
| [09:11:40] | GazzaK: | better than win media centre |
| [09:11:59] | quicksilver: | I've never actually used WMC |
| [09:12:06] | quicksilver: | I gather that myth is quite a bit more flexible though |
| [09:12:12] | quicksilver: | and doesn't suffer from DRM-rot :) |
| [09:12:22] | qu0zl: | and you can ssh in from work to tell it to do stuff |
| [09:12:31] | GazzaK: | I've had a play, and not really liked it, but seeing the demo yesterday impressed me |
| [09:12:36] | qu0zl: | like record stuff you forget to schedule |
| [09:13:00] | quicksilver: | we do need that text-gateway though :( |
| [09:13:10] | quicksilver: | since sky-plus users can SMS their forgotten programs |
| [09:13:22] | GazzaK: | thanks for the help guys, you have been most helpful, i'll get a list of hardware from the website and start to plan my machine, cheers |
| [09:13:33] | qu0zl: | have fun Gazzak. |
| [09:14:53] | GazzaK: | that knoppmyth looks interesting, I was going to run it under ubuntu, but to get it ready made might be easier |
| [09:15:28] | dtm: | i do mythtv via 802.11b across a house fyi |
| [09:15:43] | dtm: | i sustain about 1–2 Mbps in each direction |
| [09:16:14] | dtm: | if i reencoded that from mpeg2 (hardware encoder) to mpeg4, it'd look good |
| [09:16:22] | dtm: | haven't gotten to that yet. |
| [09:16:34] | dtm: | i don't know if mythtv can reencode in realtime. |
| [09:18:50] | quicksilver: | transcoding is typically slightly slower than realtime |
| [09:19:08] | quicksilver: | depends on your CPU etc though |
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| [09:20:20] | qu0zl: | GazzaK, I tried knoppmyth, I think if you're a more experienced Linux user you'll be happier without it. Once you want to change stuff it get's a bit annoying compared to a standard distro |
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| [09:21:46] | revdbrink: | There are enough good tutorials for installing Myth for diffent distros |
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| [09:31:08] | Neeesat25: | Hello |
| [09:32:26] | Neeesat25: | I cant make lirc work with mythtv. I have copy lircd.conf in /etc and also lircrc in /home/mythtv/.lircrc and in /home/mythtv/.mythtv/lircrc |
| [09:33:08] | Neeesat25: | If I do cat /dev/lirc or cat /dev/lirc0 it's receiving inputs in the command line |
| [09:33:13] | Neeesat25: | Any idea? |
| [09:33:35] | Neeesat25: | Oh I have also did --enable-lirc in configuration of mythtv |
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| [12:05:50] | xq: | Hi! I have problems with my CA module.. no picture or sound but czap still shows FE_HAS_LOCK.. how do I debug this? |
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| [12:16:04] | janneg: | xq: run hte backend with -v record,channel,siparser. does the smartcard work in a STB? |
| [12:17:19] | xq: | janneg: STB? |
| [12:17:27] | xq: | janneg: set-top box.. yes |
| [12:19:59] | janneg: | I suspect that you will see "PID 0x?? is encrypted, ignoring." in the backend log |
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| [12:27:14] | xq: | janneg: the log is the same that's outputed to stdout? |
| [12:29:17] | janneg: | yeah, or redirected to a file with -l |
| [12:32:03] | xq: | janneg: hmm. i don't see anything like that? .. but DVBSM(0)::UpdateValues: Signal Locked |
| [12:32:54] | janneg: | that's ok. please paste the output to pastebin.ca |
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| [12:36:46] | xq: | janneg: http://pastebin.ca/222589 |
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| [12:42:39] | Tommck: | hey all... how's 0.20's stability? |
| [12:43:58] | quicksilver: | as good/better than 0.19 in my experience |
| [12:44:15] | quicksilver: | main improvements for me were in DVB-T scanning |
| [12:44:19] | Tommck: | how's the internal DVD player? (and can it play .ISO files?) |
| [12:46:24] | quicksilver: | ah yes, forgot about that |
| [12:46:28] | quicksilver: | works really well for me |
| [12:46:33] | quicksilver: | works on all the DVDs I've tried so far |
| [12:46:36] | quicksilver: | haven't tried ISO files |
| [12:46:37] | Tommck: | do you play lotsa isos? |
| [12:46:39] | Tommck: | ah |
| [12:46:47] | Tommck: | I'm considering upgrading.. |
| [12:47:05] | Tommck: | recently reinstalled 0.19 (reinstalled my OS and I used 0.19 for a long time...) |
| [12:51:07] | janneg: | xq: does the output stops after the last line? |
| [12:52:45] | xq: | janneg: nothing happens for about five minutes.. |
| [12:55:13] | xq: | janneg: i think the frontend exits after it doesn't get a proper channel or something and tries to preview the recorded file and fails.. but that should just be a consequence of the main problem I think.. I'm trying to generate a more interesting log by inserting the CAM while watching a free channel.. |
| [12:55:21] | janneg: | no PAT, that's bad. are you sure that the channel data is correct, i.e. the desired channels are on that frequency |
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| [12:57:43] | janneg: | xq: the channel works, if the cam isn't inserted? then it is an driver issue |
| [12:59:06] | xq: | janneg: yes.. the free channels work if the cam isn't inserted.. but no channels work when the cam is inserted.. |
| [12:59:15] | ivor: | Juski's having fun. |
| [12:59:27] | ivor: | the poor dears don't have net access though. :) |
| [13:00:02] | xq: | janneg: 2006-10–26 15:50:06.451 DVBRec(0): Packet dropped due to uncorrectable error. |
| [13:00:05] | Neeesat25: | Anyone using lirc? |
| [13:00:21] | xq: | janneg: 2006-10–26 15:50:06.496 DVBRec(0): PID 0x200 discontinuity detected |
| [13:00:57] | janneg: | xq: if it's just a single (or one of a few) error it doesn't matter |
| [13:00:57] | xq: | janneg: that's what the backend reports at the point the CAM is inserted.. |
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| [13:01:53] | xq: | janneg: 2006-10–26 15:50:07.652 AddTSPacket: Out of sync!!! Need to wait for next payloadStart PID: 0x101, continuity counter: 13 (expected 12). |
| [13:02:26] | xq: | janneg: and the "discontinuity detected" comes for a lot of PIDs |
| [13:03:22] | xq: | janneg: so what driver does it have an issue with? :) |
| [13:03:36] | janneg: | is it a terratec/knc card? |
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| [13:04:02] | GreyFoxx: | g |
| [13:04:09] | xq: | janneg: it's a technotrend C-1500 budget card |
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| [13:06:01] | xq: | janneg: dmesg:[ 18.304870] Linux video capture interface: v2.00 [ 18.305003] saa7146: register extension 'budget dvb'. [ 18.305028] saa7146: register extension 'budget_ci dvb'. |
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| [13:09:06] | xq: | janneg: .. so it's using the saa7130/34: v4l2 driver version 0.2.14 i think |
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| [13:11:26] | xq: | janneg: the whole dvb:part of dmesg is in http://pastebin.ca/222618 |
| [13:12:01] | janneg: | xq: the kernel version is more interisting |
| [13:14:56] | xq: | janneg: 2.6.18 .. |
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| [13:24:40] | xq: | janneg: I noticed that there has appeared some new messages, one is "dvb_ca adapter 0: CAM tried to send a buffer larger than the ecount size!" my whole dmesg output is now at http://pastebin.ca/222635 |
| [13:26:06] | janneg: | ok, new enough. it's maybe a incompatibility of the card and cam. not likely but know nothing else. You could try vdr since it has better CI/CAM support |
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| [13:37:37] | alan|mac: | hi all |
| [13:38:13] | alan|mac: | first things first : bravo et merci ! thanks and congrats for mythtv which is a wonderfull tool |
| [13:38:28] | alan|mac: | it changed everything in the way i concidered watching TV |
| [13:39:05] | xq: | janneg: I tried to install VDR, but didn't get anything to work.. didn't have the stamina to figure out what was wrong so i tried Kaffeine (xine) .. same problem.. |
| [13:39:55] | alan|mac: | yet, mythtv is quite difficult to configure. i still don't have my TVguide set up on my box, for example, but i guess i willhave this working one day :) |
| [13:40:10] | xq: | janneg: I got a hint on a forum that I should try and compile hq-drivers.. |
| [13:40:16] | alan|mac: | today, my problem is i'd like to use mythfrontend on my macbook |
| [13:41:01] | Tommck: | I'm running 0.19 packages from "hamsta.net" on Ubuntu Dapper... If I want to upgrade to 0.20, can I just remove the "hamsta.net" apt source and add another source? |
| [13:41:09] | alan|mac: | when the frontend is on my linux box where the backend is, it works |
| [13:41:53] | alan|mac: | but from the macbook i get "Host '192.168.1.17' is not allowed to connect to this MySQL server" |
| [13:42:11] | alan|mac: | how can i add my host to allowed clients ? |
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| [13:43:47] | ** Tommck looks for all the ubuntu gurus ** | |
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| [13:47:10] | fryfrog: | alan|mac: soudns like your "mythtv" mysql user is set to perhaps allow only from localhost |
| [13:47:26] | alan|mac: | i guess so, but i don't know how |
| [13:47:36] | fryfrog: | you'll need to modify it to allow from your local lan as well, sounds like "192.168.1.%" would do ya |
| [13:47:43] | fryfrog: | you can use phpmyadmin if you have it installed |
| [13:47:50] | fryfrog: | otherwise, i guess you'll need some raw mysql |
| [13:47:59] | fryfrog: | and that is where the google i think comes in :) |
| [13:48:00] | alan|mac: | phpmyadmin... isn't that a windows prog ? |
| [13:48:10] | jduggan: | no |
| [13:48:10] | alan|mac: | my backend is on a linux box |
| [13:48:13] | alan|mac: | ok |
| [13:48:17] | alan|mac: | i'll do that |
| [13:48:22] | alan|mac: | thanks fryfrog |
| [13:48:52] | fryfrog: | phpmyadmin is a web based db editing script |
| [13:49:06] | fryfrog: | if you don't have it setup, it is worth setting up just so you can have easy access to your dbs |
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| [13:51:11] | Tommck: | any ubuntu weenies in here? |
| [13:51:13] | Tommck: | :) |
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| [13:52:12] | fryfrog: | ubuntu is for hookers! |
| [13:52:20] | ** Tommck calls his pimp ** | |
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| [13:52:55] | qu0zl: | Tommck, there are .20 packages in the edgy eft multiverse repository |
| [13:53:13] | Tommck: | I'm running dapper... can I just use a dapper apt source? |
| [13:53:19] | Tommck: | or is there some sort of back-port? |
| [13:53:22] | qu0zl: | you could add that to your source list and install them. you may get a shed load of dependancies |
| [13:53:28] | qu0zl: | no idea. have to google to try and find one |
| [13:53:36] | Tommck: | been trying :) |
| [13:53:42] | qu0zl: | you can install stuff from edgy o ndapper |
| [13:53:49] | qu0zl: | you'll just end up with a dedgy system |
| [13:53:53] | qu0zl: | part dapper, part edgy |
| [13:53:54] | Tommck: | interesting.. |
| [13:54:06] | Tommck: | sounds kinda shaky |
| [13:54:15] | qu0zl: | ahh i do it all the time :) and with debian too |
| [13:54:32] | qu0zl: | just get as little as you can from the newer repository, until the point at which you've so much you may as well apt-get dist-upgrade |
| [13:54:43] | qu0zl: | probably not the thing to do on production boxes ;) but works fine for desktops |
| [13:55:01] | Tommck: | well... considering the WAF, this might be a "production" box :) |
| [13:55:05] | qu0zl: | hehe |
| [13:55:13] | qu0zl: | all the more reason to get away from .19 :P |
| [13:55:22] | Tommck: | well.. it's working right now |
| [13:55:22] | qu0zl: | that had the lowest GAF of the last three versions for me |
| [13:55:26] | Tommck: | has been for quite a while |
| [13:55:42] | Tommck: | what about 0.20 makes the GAF better? |
| [13:55:55] | qu0zl: | .19 was not as stable as .18.1 or .20 for me |
| [13:56:01] | Tommck: | ah.. |
| [13:56:03] | qu0zl: | if .19 is stable for you, best stick with the high WAF |
| [13:56:10] | Tommck: | I don't really have much of a stability issue |
| [13:56:26] | qu0zl: | what do you need from .20? There may not be much you want |
| [13:56:40] | Tommck: | the internal DVD player was what I was hoping for |
| [13:56:51] | Tommck: | I recently re-installed (pre-0.20 release) with 0.19 packages... |
| [13:57:00] | Tommck: | (fresh Dapper install) |
| [13:57:07] | Tommck: | and Xine is all choppy and blurry.. |
| [13:57:17] | Tommck: | figured it might be easy to use the internal player |
| [13:57:19] | revdbrink: | Tommck: look at http://mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Ubuntu_Dapper_Installation for dapper repos for 0.20 |
| [13:57:44] | Tommck: | revdbrink – thanks. Know if I can use them for an upgrade? |
| [13:58:56] | revdbrink: | I don't know, I only installed it as new |
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| [13:59:40] | Tommck: | I'm a bit of an apt newb.... I currently have the "hamsta.net" repository for the 0.19 packages... if I remove that and add the edgy ones... can I just "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade" ? |
| [13:59:49] | Hoxzer: | 2/win 12 |
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| [14:00:02] | Tommck: | Hoxzer – huh? |
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| [14:00:31] | Hoxzer: | Tommck: /win 12 -> change to window 12 in irssi |
| [14:00:47] | Tommck: | Hoxzer – ahh.. ok |
| [14:01:16] | fryfrog: | why not just do alt5? |
| [14:01:28] | fryfrog: | er, alt ... |
| [14:01:33] | fryfrog: | nm, there is no 12 key :) |
| [14:01:34] | fryfrog: | ahaha |
| [14:01:48] | Hoxzer: | ;) |
| [14:01:49] | Zider: | bind the qwertyuiop line |
| [14:01:54] | Tommck: | fryfrog – maybe he's got a REALLY old IBM keyboard with up to F24 on it :) |
| [14:03:56] | Tommck: | can anyone answer that last "apt" question for me? ("I'm a bit of an apt newb.... I currently have the "hamsta.net" repository for the 0.19 packages... if I remove that and add the edgy ones... can I just 'apt-get update && apt-get upgrade' ?") |
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| [14:05:04] | fryfrog: | if the packages are named the same, it should work |
| [14:05:14] | fryfrog: | i imagine |
| [14:05:24] | Tommck: | I guess I can do the update... then do a "-s" and see what it's gonna do |
| [14:05:46] | Hoxzer: | 0.20 is my friend |
| [14:05:59] | Tommck: | Hoxzer – you need to get out more :) |
| [14:06:59] | Tommck: | fryfrog – it's "keeping back" most of the myth stuff |
| [14:07:12] | Tommck: | fryfrog – would I actually need to uninstall the current myth stuff then? |
| [14:07:25] | dorel__: | i installed mythtv from svn but I require the /etc/init,.d/mythbackend file for automatic startup.... can anyone send it? |
| [14:08:03] | dorel__: | im on debian |
| [14:08:15] | fryfrog: | does it say why? |
| [14:08:22] | fryfrog: | you could try "apt-get dist-upgrade |
| [14:08:26] | fryfrog: | er, distupgrade? |
| [14:08:42] | Tommck: | fryfrog – doesn't say why |
| [14:09:20] | fryfrog: | "apt-get dist-upgrade" isn't it? |
| [14:09:24] | fryfrog: | i always forget :) |
| [14:09:35] | Tommck: | fry – dist-upgrade says it'll remove the mythtv stuff (0.19 stuff) but it's not installing the 0.20 stuff |
| [14:09:56] | Tommck: | I want myth to take care of the database upgrade. Would that still happen if 0.19 is not installed? |
| [14:10:11] | Tommck: | fryfrog – yes.. "dist-upgrade" |
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| [14:10:52] | fryfrog: | Tommck: myth wont remove the db, so even if you uninstall myth and nuke *all* the myth files *asside from recordings) when you reinstall you should be good |
| [14:11:03] | fryfrog: | Tommck: just make sure to do a db dump as a precaution |
| [14:11:08] | Tommck: | yeah.. |
| [14:11:12] | Tommck: | always scares me doing this :) |
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| [14:11:25] | fryfrog: | myth will update the db |
| [14:11:33] | fryfrog: | when you get the new version installed |
| [14:11:34] | Tommck: | right |
| [14:12:02] | dorel__: | how are you guys cycling through the tuner cards in Watch TV mode? the key mapped to it is C but it's un-available when im using the pvr150 remote... i want to map it to a different key on the remote instead. |
| [14:12:26] | ** Tommck loves not dealing with LIRC :) ** | |
| [14:12:46] | dorel__: | Tommck: how are you operating it then? |
| [14:13:29] | fryfrog: | dorel__: so do it! |
| [14:13:47] | dorel__: | fryfrog: where do i map it? :) |
| [14:14:08] | fryfrog: | pick a key from your /etc/lirc.conf (er, is it lircd.conf?) |
| [14:14:08] | Tommck: | dorel__ – IR keyboard + learning remote :) |
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| [14:14:28] | fryfrog: | then in your ~/.mythtv/lircrc bind a key to the action |
| [14:14:31] | ** Tommck thinks fryfrog needs some Ginko Biloba for memory improvement ** | |
| [14:14:36] | fryfrog: | but... i wouldn't waste a key on it :) |
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| [14:14:49] | fryfrog: | no one uses livetv after the first week or two |
| [14:15:04] | Tommck: | fryfrog – I use it for football games |
| [14:15:13] | fryfrog: | shut your mouth! |
| [14:15:14] | dorel__: | fryfrog: no its the other way around. if i map a key in ~/.lircrc the it is something general to all mythtv, what i need to do is map the key from mythtv |
| [14:15:34] | fryfrog: | dorel__: huh? |
| [14:15:36] | dorel__: | oh wait |
| [14:15:47] | dorel__: | # change tuners begin prog = mythtv button = Blue repeat = 3 config = C end |
| [14:15:53] | dorel__: | seems like i already have it, let me check |
| [14:16:00] | fryfrog: | :) |
| [14:16:11] | fryfrog: | but, why do you use C and not Y? |
| [14:16:20] | fryfrog: | C is for different inputs on one card |
| [14:16:25] | fryfrog: | Y changes between all your cards |
| [14:16:47] | jduggan: | hmm, is there any docs for getting the pvr-150 ir transmitter to control a sky digital box? |
| [14:16:50] | jduggan: | anyone know? |
| [14:19:35] | dorel__: | right |
| [14:19:52] | dorel__: | im still trying to figure out the way to set the input card to catch a stream |
| [14:21:22] | fryfrog: | oh? |
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| [14:26:11] | dorel__: | its possible in 0.20 to define an input source (not card) which is a stream, so im trying to get that to actually work.... |
| [14:26:32] | dorel__: | whats the name of that program that shows me the signals it captures from my remote... i forgot what it was :P |
| [14:27:33] | qu0zl: | irw? |
| [14:27:48] | qu0zl: | irrecord? |
| [14:27:51] | dorel__: | i think irxevent |
| [14:27:55] | dorel__: | not sure |
| [14:28:09] | Paladine: | irw |
| [14:28:16] | Paladine: | to show you the actual signals |
| [14:28:30] | qu0zl: | irxevent sends X events on receiving ir commands from lircd. it doesn't do what you described dorel__ |
| [14:28:31] | dorel__: | thanks qu0zl/paladine its irw |
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| [14:30:20] | dorel__: | there's the plugin to adjust keys in 0.20 and i'm trying to set the key for a function to be the Menu/i key but seems like i cant define it |
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| [14:31:00] | qu0zl: | is it already used for another function? I found that if a key was already bound it would silently ignore the keypresses. No feedback on why it was doing it |
| [14:31:13] | dorel__: | uhmmm |
| [14:31:30] | dorel__: | nope, its not in .lircrc |
| [14:31:52] | qu0zl: | i meant in the mythtv plugin |
| [14:32:13] | qu0zl: | if irw doesn't see the key on your remote, is there an entry for that key in your lircd.conf? |
| [14:32:14] | dorel__: | ahh ill have to check, it'll take me some time |
| [14:32:20] | qu0zl: | you may only have half your remote's keys mapped |
| [14:32:34] | dorel__: | irw does see the key as Menu/i and its not mapped in my .lircrc |
| [14:32:40] | qu0zl: | ahh cool |
| [14:32:42] | dorel__: | maybe ill just map it to a key and use it globally in mythtv |
| [14:32:46] | dorel__: | i think that would solve it |
| [14:32:50] | qu0zl: | then you need to add it to your .lircrc file |
| [14:32:56] | qu0zl: | otherwise mythtv won't get it |
| [14:33:28] | qu0zl: | you mean lircrc right, not .lircrc? |
| [14:33:59] | qu0zl: | the second is used by lirc programs like irw the first is used by mythtv. why they're different names and slightly different formats i dunno |
| [14:34:19] | dorel__: | yes i mean .lircrc my bad |
| [14:34:50] | qu0zl: | so i your .mythtv/lircrc do you have an entry for that menu/i key? |
| [14:35:02] | qu0zl: | are you other remote control keys working? |
| [14:35:56] | dorel__: | yes they work |
| [14:36:02] | dorel__: | and no its not mapped in my ~/.lircrc |
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| [14:36:06] | dorel__: | but i added it now :) |
| [14:36:32] | fryfrog: | that should be ~/.mythtv/lircrc |
| [14:36:38] | qu0zl: | dorel__, the ~/.lircrc file affects only irw/irxevent |
| [14:36:39] | fryfrog: | its the only one mythfrontend reads |
| [14:36:44] | dorel__: | fryfrog: yeah i have a symlink to it |
| [14:36:47] | fryfrog: | ah |
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| [14:36:54] | qu0zl: | they're different formats. or they are at least for me |
| [14:36:55] | fryfrog: | a wise solution that i keep meaning to do :) |
| [14:36:59] | qu0zl: | i tried symlinking them and it didn't work |
| [14:37:00] | dorel__: | i need to figure out also why my /etc/init.d/mythbackend won't run on bootup, but it *does* work if i do /etc/init.d/mythbackend start, so no idea on that also... |
| [14:37:05] | dorel__: | fryfrog: :) |
| [14:37:15] | dorel__: | its all whacked! hehe |
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| [14:37:39] | qu0zl: | hmm actually they look identical format to me now on 2nd look :) |
| [14:37:58] | qu0zl: | dorel__, have you added it with update-rd.d ? |
| [14:38:04] | qu0zl: | the init script |
| [14:38:19] | jduggan: | someone have a good link for getting the pvr150 workin with debian? |
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| [14:38:46] | qu0zl: | update-rc.d even |
| [14:41:01] | dorel__: | yep qu0zl |
| [14:41:11] | dorel__: | i did update-rc.d mythbackend defaults |
| [14:42:22] | qu0zl: | hmm, then if you've checked the rc links are properly there you're getting into stuff like different environments when running the script |
| [14:42:24] | qu0zl: | good luck ;) |
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| [14:52:52] | fryfrog: | stupid ubuntu question... |
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| [14:53:02] | fryfrog: | what do i change "dapper" to in order to upgrade to edgey eft? |
| [14:53:10] | fryfrog: | in sources.lst |
| [14:53:16] | fryfrog: | er, "Edgy Eft" |
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| [14:54:31] | qu0zl: | just replace dapper with edgy |
| [14:54:36] | fryfrog: | ahh |
| [14:54:48] | fryfrog: | thanks |
| [14:55:06] | qu0zl: | ala 'deb http://ie.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ edgy universe' or 'deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu edgy-security main restricted' |
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| [14:56:44] | fryfrog: | I just wasn't sure what the "term" was, since it was called "Edgy Eft" but I guess I should have realised from "Dapper Drake" :) |
| [14:56:51] | fryfrog: | since i knew that was "dapper" |
| [14:56:56] | fryfrog: | wtf *is* an edgy eft? |
| [14:57:06] | qu0zl: | an eft is an immature newt apparently |
| [14:57:12] | qu0zl: | sure that clears things right up |
| [14:57:18] | fryfrog: | ahah |
| [14:57:33] | fryfrog: | so an "edgy eft" would be an immature nute on the ... cutting edge of fashion? |
| [14:57:36] | fryfrog: | maybe? :) |
| [14:57:43] | fryfrog: | er, newt |
| [14:57:47] | qu0zl: | yeah thats the thinking. edgy is meant to be cutting edge stuff |
| [14:58:04] | fryfrog: | well, i like newts :) |
| [14:58:05] | qu0zl: | while dapper was meant to be polished and stable for business etc |
| [14:58:08] | fryfrog: | used to have some |
| [14:58:12] | qu0zl: | i dunno, there's not much meat on them |
| [14:58:15] | fryfrog: | ahhh, like dapper dan! |
| [14:58:30] | fryfrog: | but now "edgy" is the stable one, yah? |
| [14:58:42] | Zider: | "she turnedme into a newt!" "a newt?" "..I got better.." |
| [14:58:55] | qu0zl: | not really, it's not like debian. Edgy and the next one (something weird like flashy) are cutting edge |
| [14:58:57] | fryfrog: | bwhahaha |
| [14:59:02] | qu0zl: | and then the one after is the next stable/polished one |
| [14:59:03] | fryfrog: | ah |
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| [14:59:14] | Borromini: | hello |
| [14:59:18] | fryfrog: | hi! |
| [14:59:27] | Borromini: | :) |
| [15:00:38] | fryfrog: | oh, weird |
| [15:00:52] | fryfrog: | in xterm, with tabs... alt 1-X switch the tabs |
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| [15:01:02] | fryfrog: | and in irssi it changes the active window |
| [15:01:06] | fryfrog: | they... conflict :) |
| [15:01:22] | fryfrog: | glad someone miss-tyuped the "/win" command |
| [15:03:23] | alan|mac: | woooooooohooooooo !!!! mythtv works on my macbook !!!! |
| [15:03:29] | alan|mac: | wonderfullllllll !! |
| [15:03:57] | fryfrog: | great, gotta get 600mb at like 15k/sec |
| [15:03:57] | alan|mac: | thanks fryfrog !!! |
| [15:03:59] | fryfrog: | lame :/ |
| [15:04:10] | fryfrog: | alan|mac: i don't recall doing anything, but you are welcome! |
| [15:04:17] | alan|mac: | ^^ |
| [15:04:35] | alan|mac: | using phpmyadmin, i could configure what needed to be configured |
| [15:04:39] | fryfrog: | ahhhh |
| [15:04:49] | fryfrog: | =^_^= |
| [15:05:51] | Borromini: | hehe |
| [15:05:53] | alan|mac: | now let's add mythfrontend to my Zaurus, let's find a psp mythfrontend (whishlist !!! ;) ) and let's get the xmltv system work !! |
| [15:06:10] | fryfrog: | what is a zaurus? |
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| [15:06:15] | Borromini: | i got xmltv working... |
| [15:06:22] | tank-man: | zaurus pda |
| [15:06:29] | alan|mac: | fryfrog linux pda |
| [15:06:30] | fryfrog: | ah |
| [15:06:33] | Borromini: | :-) |
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| [15:06:58] | alan|mac: | Borromini : some help (document ?) would be welcome |
| [15:07:07] | Borromini: | alan|mac where you at? |
| [15:07:12] | Borromini: | country |
| [15:07:17] | alan|mac: | france |
| [15:07:20] | Borromini: | k |
| [15:07:30] | Borromini: | you ran mythtv-setup? |
| [15:07:41] | Borromini: | in one of the screens you have to select an xmltv grabber |
| [15:07:47] | Borromini: | did you install xmltv already? |
| [15:08:02] | alan|mac: | the grabber is up and runing, it is configured in order to get channels i need, but i can't have it interract with mythtv |
| [15:08:39] | Borromini: | so when you ended your config of mythtv-setup, it got the info? |
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| [15:09:50] | Borromini: | alan|mac ? |
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| [15:10:25] | alan|mac: | excuse me (dam social life ;) ) |
| [15:10:29] | Borromini: | :P |
| [15:10:35] | alan|mac: | i don't understand your question |
| [15:11:51] | Borromini: | at the end of the configuration |
| [15:11:57] | Borromini: | you should have seen a progress bar |
| [15:12:10] | Borromini: | then you should have switched to your terminal from where you started mythtv-setup |
| [15:12:20] | Borromini: | and configured the grabber |
| [15:12:23] | Borromini: | did you do that? |
| [15:12:40] | alan|mac: | mmm... i didn't see that |
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| [15:14:06] | Borromini: | okay |
| [15:14:13] | Borromini: | but you have your xmltv data you say? |
| [15:14:19] | Borromini: | just mythtv doesn't know about it right? |
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| [15:14:36] | alan|mac: | looks like that |
| [15:14:39] | Borromini: | okay |
| [15:14:58] | Borromini: | when you configure the channels, do you see any channels there? |
| [15:15:07] | alan|mac: | yep |
| [15:15:09] | Borromini: | except for E03, SE16, ... and stuff |
| [15:15:13] | Borromini: | channels with real names? |
| [15:15:24] | alan|mac: | yep, got them from channels.conf |
| [15:15:36] | Borromini: | k |
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| [15:15:51] | Borromini: | then do mythfilldatabase --max-days (pick that number yourself) |
| [15:15:57] | Borromini: | and see if it's any better after that |
| [15:16:21] | alan|mac: | i also tried to edit names so that they match in channels.conf and from tv_grab_fr |
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| [15:19:31] | alan|mac: | ... mmm... failed to fetch some program info"... |
| [15:19:40] | alan|mac: | i would say it didn't work... |
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| [15:22:09] | Borromini: | re |
| [15:22:15] | Borromini: | sry my xfce bailed out :X |
| [15:22:17] | Borromini: | sucky theme |
| [15:22:21] | Borromini: | alan|mac ? |
| [15:22:24] | Borromini: | any progress? |
| [15:22:30] | alan|mac: | yep |
| [15:22:36] | Borromini: | it works now? |
| [15:22:49] | alan|mac: | not yet. reconfiguring something |
| [15:22:56] | Borromini: | okay |
| [15:23:05] | Borromini: | so you have livetv working if i'm correct? |
| [15:23:13] | alan|mac: | yep |
| [15:23:15] | emily_: | I'm back...still having problems with mythtv-setup. "Warning: No device tree for cardid 0" When I try to set up my tuner. |
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| [15:23:50] | Borromini: | emily_ is that what dmesg says? |
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| [15:24:04] | alan|mac: | emily_ can another programm access this tuner ? |
| [15:24:34] | emily_: | Borromini: no thats mytthv. dmesg still has the same errors, even after I modularized the tuner part of the kernel |
| [15:24:57] | emily_: | alan|mac: ivtv seems to. At least it detects it...Here's the errors it gives in dmesg: |
| [15:25:13] | Borromini: | emily_ as long as your dmesg gives errors: you cannot set up mythtv |
| [15:25:14] | emily_: | ivtv0: Failed to load module cx25840 |
| [15:25:14] | emily_: | ivtv0: Failed to load module wm8775 |
| [15:25:15] | Borromini: | it won't work |
| [15:25:23] | Borromini: | are they there emily_ ? |
| [15:25:29] | Borromini: | did you try to modprobe these? |
| [15:25:32] | Borromini: | manually |
| [15:25:34] | emily_: | Borromini: ok. I'm lost as to how to deal with it |
| [15:25:37] | emily_: | Borromini: yes. |
| [15:25:42] | Borromini: | what did you get? |
| [15:25:44] | Borromini: | do lsmod |
| [15:25:46] | Borromini: | as i showed you |
| [15:25:50] | Borromini: | check if they're there |
| [15:25:55] | Borromini: | what ivtv version you using? |
| [15:25:58] | Borromini: | with which kernel |
| [15:26:02] | alan|mac: | Borromini looks like it is fetching infos for 7 days as i asked. keep fingers crossed |
| [15:26:08] | emily_: | wm8775 4492 0 |
| [15:26:09] | emily_: | cx25840 19920 0 |
| [15:26:11] | emily_: | that's lsmod |
| [15:26:25] | Borromini: | okay |
| [15:26:32] | Borromini: | alan|mac i told you :P |
| [15:26:38] | Borromini: | it's gonna take a while :P |
| [15:26:51] | Borromini: | if that is solved, can you help me with setting up my livetv then alan|mac ? :P |
| [15:26:53] | alan|mac: | great |
| [15:27:08] | alan|mac: | Borromini : of course :) |
| [15:27:14] | Borromini: | :-) |
| [15:27:26] | Borromini: | emily_ phpfi your dmesg output |
| [15:28:43] | emily_: | http://phpfi.com/167966 |
| [15:29:26] | emily_: | hmmm. |
| [15:30:07] | Borromini: | okay |
| [15:30:08] | Borromini: | do this |
| [15:30:09] | emily_: | it says it's (ivtv i2c driver #0) but I havn't done anything with i2c..I know i've seen it in the kernel |
| [15:30:13] | emily_: | ok...*listens* |
| [15:30:21] | Borromini: | rmmod on both modules |
| [15:30:24] | Borromini: | rmmod wm8775 |
| [15:30:33] | Borromini: | rmmod cx25840 |
| [15:30:38] | Borromini: | rmmod ivtv |
| [15:30:41] | Borromini: | then modprobe ivtv |
| [15:30:46] | Borromini: | and post dmesg again |
| [15:32:44] | emily_: | http://phpfi.com/167968 |
| [15:33:01] | emily_: | bunch of ic2 errors at the end that time |
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| [15:33:14] | Borromini: | you enabled i2c in the kernel? |
| [15:33:29] | emily_: | don't think so. I remember asking what it was but no one could tell me |
| [15:33:37] | Borromini: | i2c is a kind of bus |
| [15:33:40] | Borromini: | for sensors |
| [15:33:54] | Borromini: | usually used for data like temperature, fan speed, and stuff |
| [15:34:06] | Borromini: | lm_sensors for example makes heavy use of it |
| [15:34:11] | Borromini: | you should enable that |
| [15:34:14] | emily_: | so why would you need it for this? I mean, it looks like you might, but why? |
| [15:34:18] | Borromini: | it's a kernel module |
| [15:34:30] | Borromini: | emily_ i don't know... but if the docs say so, it's better to follow the docs |
| [15:34:52] | emily_: | I2C device interface is added as built in.. |
| [15:35:05] | Borromini: | make it modular |
| [15:35:09] | Borromini: | just to be sure |
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| [15:35:32] | emily_: | ok.. then add hardware support as well? I'm assuming I'm an intel 810/815... |
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| [15:35:42] | Borromini: | not really |
| [15:35:44] | Borromini: | i didn't do it |
| [15:35:53] | Borromini: | just the i2c module itself |
| [15:36:14] | Borromini: | you can enable those other modules if you want, if that reassures you :) |
| [15:36:37] | emily_: | ok make && make modules_install? |
| [15:36:44] | Borromini: | yes |
| [15:36:56] | Borromini: | and it's best if you install your new kernel & system.map too |
| [15:37:05] | Borromini: | don't forget to run lilo -v after that |
| [15:37:19] | emily_: | what does the system.map do? |
| [15:37:43] | Borromini: | well as those guys said yesterday |
| [15:37:48] | Borromini: | probably a map of kernel symbols |
| [15:38:03] | Borromini: | you need to copy arch/i386/boot/bzImage to /boot |
| [15:38:14] | Borromini: | and System.map is in the kernel source dir itself |
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| [15:39:25] | dorel__: | anyone knows the format on that CRC IP STREAM input source for a valid ip/port? |
| [15:40:33] | alan|mac: | Borromini dam it !! i broke my livetv... |
| [15:40:42] | Borromini: | heh? |
| [15:40:57] | Borromini: | what's wrong with it then alan|mac ?? |
| [15:40:59] | alan|mac: | i don't understand how... |
| [15:41:20] | alan|mac: | i can't connect anymore to the bakend, locally or remotely... |
| [15:41:25] | Borromini: | the heh? |
| [15:41:29] | Borromini: | try restarting it |
| [15:41:37] | Borromini: | you run it as a daemon probably? |
| [15:41:41] | Borromini: | killall mythbackend |
| [15:41:45] | alan|mac: | done |
| [15:41:48] | alan|mac: | but still |
| [15:42:04] | alan|mac: | reconfiguring everything |
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| [15:42:24] | alan|mac: | (-_-)'' |
| [15:42:39] | Borromini: | :( |
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| [15:46:10] | emily_: | Borromini: Sorry, I'm still here..just being distracted... |
| [15:46:18] | Borromini: | np |
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| [15:53:52] | jduggan: | hi, i loaded ivtv module ivtv-detect only detects my older hauppauge card BT878 |
| [15:54:19] | emily_: | Borromini: Where would I put the System.map? |
| [15:55:19] | Borromini: | in /boot too emily_ |
| [15:55:28] | Borromini: | just overwrite your older kernel & system.map |
| [15:55:31] | Borromini: | then reboot |
| [15:55:34] | Borromini: | then run depmod -av |
| [15:55:40] | Borromini: | then try ivtv again |
| [15:55:43] | emily_: | there is no system.map in my /boot. There is a "map" though |
| [15:55:44] | Borromini: | remember to recompile ivtv |
| [15:55:53] | Borromini: | probably that one then |
| [15:56:01] | emily_: | ...ok |
| [15:56:22] | alan|mac: | ok, tv is back, program guide is still not there |
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| [15:58:20] | Borromini: | you checked mythfrontend? |
| [15:58:27] | Borromini: | what does it say in system setup? |
| [15:58:44] | jduggan: | anyone here use the pvr150 with a bttv card? |
| [15:59:14] | alan|mac: | Borromini let me have a look at everything |
| [15:59:24] | alan|mac: | jduggan : nope, sorry |
| [16:00:16] | emily_: | Borromini: ok...rebooting. When I'm done do: depmod -av. then do emerge ivtv. Then run ivtv again? |
| [16:01:04] | Borromini: | yes |
| [16:01:13] | emily_: | ok..here I go! *smile* thank you! |
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| [16:01:22] | jduggan: | alan|mac: do you use the pvr150 though? |
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| [16:01:59] | alan|mac: | not at all |
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| [16:08:20] | emily_: | Borromini: "CONFIG_VIDEO_V4L1: is not set when it should be" when I compie ivtv |
| [16:08:37] | emily_: | Borromini: as well as "CONFIG_VIDEO_SAA711x" |
| [16:08:47] | emily_: | kernel stuff? |
| [16:08:53] | Borromini: | you definitely need that first one |
| [16:09:00] | Borromini: | enable that second one just to be sure too |
| [16:09:06] | Borromini: | v4l1 is compatibility stuff |
| [16:09:09] | Borromini: | you will need that |
| [16:10:45] | emily_: | built in or as a module? |
| [16:10:55] | emily_: | module, right? |
| [16:11:00] | Borromini: | modules |
| [16:11:01] | Borromini: | yes |
| [16:12:48] | emily_: | never mind...won't let me. has to be built in... |
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| [16:17:54] | janneg: | xq: do you use the remote control of the technotrend c-1500? |
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| [16:18:29] | janneg: | this might solve your problem http://www.linuxtv.org/pipermail/linux-dvb/20 . . . /013854.html |
| [16:18:43] | xq: | janneg: No.. I don't know that there is one for it .. |
| [16:19:50] | janneg: | according to http://www.linuxtv.org/pipermail/linux-dvb/20 . . . /013849.html there is one |
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| [16:19:51] | jduggan: | can someone help me configure my pvr150 properly, kdetv only seems to find my bttv card |
| [16:20:34] | xq: | janneg: ok, thanks.. i have to look into that.. just got the v4l hq-drivers compiled and the kernel recompiled.. but still doesn't seem to work, not sure if the kernel is using the hq-modules though.. |
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| [16:23:29] | xq: | janneg: I've been wondering about the remote thing.. since my dmesg says "input: Budget-CI dvb ir receiver saa7146 (0) as /class/input/input0" |
| [16:23:36] | fuffalo: | i have a pvr-150 that came with a remote/irblaster (The irblaster plugs in to the usb little box that the remote talks to) – will this setup work in mythtv, or do i need a serial blaster |
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| [16:26:31] | livingtm: | my mythtv front end is complaining that it cannot connect to MySQL. Ive checked mysql.txt and thats correct. |
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| [16:26:50] | livingtm: | seems like its trying ot connect as 'mythtv'@'ipaddress', and maybe its the ipaddress that it doesnt like |
| [16:26:53] | janneg: | xq: it has the ir controller. your dmesg with the cam errors suggest that the patch might help |
| [16:27:28] | RaYmAn-Bx: | livingtm: you're mysql persmissions are wrong then :) |
| [16:28:02] | livingtm: | RaYmAn-Bx, Im not that familiar with MySQL.. MySQLadmin keeps hanging up when i click on 'users' |
| [16:29:09] | RaYmAn-Bx: | livingtm: you can let it connect from whatever ip address, provided it gives the right password, yes. |
| [16:29:21] | livingtm: | RaYmAn-Bx, how much I make that change? |
| [16:29:43] | RaYmAn-Bx: | livingtm: grant all privileges on mythconverg.* TO 'mythtv'@'%' IDENTIFIED BY 'somepassword'; flush privileges; |
| [16:29:46] | livingtm: | er, how MIGHT |
| [16:29:47] | RaYmAn-Bx: | if I recall correctly |
| [16:29:51] | RaYmAn-Bx: | in the mysql console |
| [16:29:56] | livingtm: | sweet thanks |
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| [16:30:52] | emily_: | Borromini: ok, all done. compiled. Still getting the same two errors in dmesg, and two more... |
| [16:31:03] | Borromini: | phpfi them |
| [16:31:08] | Borromini: | i'll be back in a bit |
| [16:32:09] | emily_: | http://phpfi.com/167982 |
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| [16:38:45] | jduggan: | if i have svideo in to my pvr150, scanning for channels should only find one right? |
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| [16:39:51] | livingtm: | RaYmAn-Bx, that helped.. now when i start mythtv-backend, it tells me "Session management error: Authentication Rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed" |
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| [16:40:06] | emily_: | jduggan: no idea. |
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| [16:40:25] | RaYmAn-Bx: | livingtm: that means absolutely nothing to me, sorry. |
| [16:40:43] | laga: | livingtm: ignore that message, it's usually not important |
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| [16:41:59] | livingtm: | laga, okay. My frontend is telling me it cant connect |
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| [16:42:54] | livingtm: | i get "could not connect to master backend server — is it running?" which it appears to be |
| [16:44:05] | laga: | check the backend log file to see if it's running |
| [16:44:09] | livingtm: | is there somewhere to set the config on the frontend side aside form mysql.txt? |
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| [16:44:26] | laga: | it's in the database |
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| [16:45:03] | livingtm: | where s the backend log (sorry for the newb questions, im in my secodn day with mythtv) |
| [16:45:13] | xq: | janneg: didn't work :( .. i'm not so experienced with linux kernels and modules.. but i think i got it installed. |
| [16:45:31] | laga: | livingtm: somewhere in /var/log i suppose |
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| [16:49:14] | janneg: | xq: please paste lsmod, have you patched the hg drivers? |
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| [16:49:22] | livingtm: | laga, its apparently still not connecting to the DB |
| [16:50:01] | laga: | is it not connecting to the DB or kot connection to the backend? |
| [16:50:03] | livingtm: | laga, Ive checked /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt and /home/myusername/.mythtv/mysql.txt |
| [16:50:26] | livingtm: | laga, the log says the backend isnt connecting to the DB |
| [16:50:39] | livingtm: | database not open |
| [16:51:58] | livingtm: | laga, says "Can't connect to MySQL server on '127.0.0.1' (111)", although ive set the ip to the local machines ipaddress (not the 127.0.0.1) |
| [16:52:21] | livingtm: | it is local, but i didnt use 127.0.0.1 |
| [16:52:29] | Anduin: | livingtm: Yout mysql server probably doesn't accept tcp connections |
| [16:52:42] | livingtm: | Anduin, how do i check that |
| [16:52:55] | livingtm: | again sorry for the newb questions |
| [16:53:28] | Anduin: | livingtm: /etc/my.cnf, I forget the exact option, it is easy to spot though |
| [16:53:31] | livingtm: | Anduin, is that set in my.cnf? |
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| [16:53:35] | xq: | janneg: lsmod at http://pastebin.ca/222906 .. yes, i changed the DEBIADDR_IR to 0x4000, run make, run make install and rebooted.. |
| [16:54:10] | livingtm: | Anduin, "bind address"? |
| [16:54:18] | Anduin: | livingtm: that would do it |
| [16:54:27] | livingtm: | Anduin, cause that line looks okay :-) |
| [16:54:40] | Borromini: | livingtm why didn't you leave 127.0.0.1? |
| [16:54:54] | Anduin: | That is also a good question |
| [16:55:01] | livingtm: | Borromini, because i want to be able to use mythfront end form another machine |
| [16:55:10] | Borromini: | okay |
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| [16:55:19] | livingtm: | Borromini, is that what i did? :-) |
| [16:55:31] | livingtm: | Borromini, cause it made sense at the time.... |
| [16:55:39] | Borromini: | <livingtm> it is local, but i didnt use 127.0.0.1 < that's what you said |
| [16:56:05] | livingtm: | right i used 192.168.0.10 which is this machine (my server's) ip |
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| [16:56:33] | Borromini: | k |
| [16:56:36] | livingtm: | so im trying ot go through and make sure MySQL is set up like that, and mythbackend and frontend are all set up to use hat ip |
| [16:57:06] | livingtm: | okay, so bind-address = 192.168..... is okay |
| [16:57:42] | livingtm: | ah, and using mysqladmin, i can connect to that ip address and login as mythtv |
| [16:57:52] | livingtm: | so mysql seems tobe good then |
| [16:58:15] | Anduin: | livingtm: you mysql.txt file looks good? |
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| [16:58:48] | livingtm: | Anduin, /etc/muthtv/mysql.txt and /home/myusername/.mythtv/mysql.txt seem to be fine |
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| [16:59:57] | livingtm: | and i still get this: sudo /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend start |
| [16:59:57] | livingtm: | Starting MythTV server: mythbackendSession management error: Authentication Rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed |
| [16:59:58] | Anduin: | livingtm: You only bind to that one address? |
| [17:00:13] | livingtm: | Anduin, thats the only bind-address line i used |
| [17:00:18] | livingtm: | can i use * or something? |
| [17:00:54] | Anduin: | livingtm: or comment it out (will bind to all) |
| [17:01:08] | livingtm: | oh ok.. ill do that |
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| [17:01:59] | livingtm: | uhm, does mysqld_safe have something to do wiht this? |
| [17:02:31] | Anduin: | livingtm: Only in that that is what runs mysqld |
| [17:02:53] | livingtm: | okay, i thought 'safe' may hae meant locked down or something |
| [17:03:12] | emily_: | can somone look at this and tell me why IVTV is failing to load these modules? they load via modprobe, and I'm at the end of my rope...http://phpfi.com/167993 |
| [17:04:27] | livingtm: | Anduin, is there a frontend setup utility? |
| [17:04:28] | emily_: | please? *smile* |
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| [17:05:09] | Borromini: | emily_ you installed the firmware? |
| [17:05:12] | Anduin: | livingtm: Only mythtv-setup and the settings screens |
| [17:05:41] | Anduin: | emily_: if you rmmod ivtv; modprobe ivtv (after the failure) does it work? |
| [17:06:11] | livingtm: | Anduin, isnt mythtv-setup for the backend? |
| [17:06:33] | Anduin: | livingtm: Mostly, but it does create mysql.txt as well |
| [17:06:36] | emily_: | Anduin: no, it doesn't.. |
| [17:06:40] | emily_: | Borromini: the firmware? |
| [17:06:48] | Borromini: | yes |
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| [17:07:17] | emily_: | Borromini: I think so, but not sure. How do I check? |
| [17:07:43] | Borromini: | ls /lib/firmware |
| [17:07:50] | Borromini: | show the contents |
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| [17:08:09] | Anduin: | The output in the pastebin indicates the firmware for the encoder was loaded |
| [17:08:13] | fryfrog: | emily_: the ivtv ebuild gets the firmware |
| [17:08:14] | jduggan: | hi guys, i use svideo out of my digital satelite into the svideo in of my pvr150... when i go to watch tv, i get an initial picture of what should be on the tv but its not playing, like its froze, no sound either, anyone experienced this, i can hear cackling every now and then in speakers also |
| [17:08:37] | emily_: | fryfrog: than I guess I have it *smile* |
| [17:08:48] | fryfrog: | emily_: hang on a sec while i check that paste :) |
| [17:09:02] | emily_: | v4l-cx2341x-dec.fw v4l-cx2341x-init.mpg v4l-pvrusb2–24xxx-01.fw |
| [17:09:02] | emily_: | v4l-cx2341x-enc.fw v4l-cx25840.fw v4l-pvrusb2–29xxx-01.fw |
| [17:09:13] | emily_: | Borromini: that's the firmware |
| [17:09:20] | janneg: | xq: that should be correct. Do the free channels work if only the cam without smartcard is inserted? |
| [17:09:30] | Borromini: | okay |
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| [17:09:33] | Borromini: | that looks okay Elephant |
| [17:09:37] | jduggan: | the funny thing is i reboot and watch the video1 device with mpalyer and its the same image, do you think the satelite decoder could be crashing? |
| [17:09:56] | fryfrog: | emily_: do you have "module autoloading" checked in your kernel config? |
| [17:10:12] | janneg: | xq: can you test if the card + cam work with the windows drivers? |
| [17:10:17] | emily_: | fryfrog: Yes. I just did that. |
| [17:10:20] | fryfrog: | emily_: and I assume that "modinfo" on those cards shows? |
| [17:10:29] | emily_: | fryfrog: modinfo? |
| [17:10:39] | fryfrog: | "modinfo < name of module mentioned >" |
| [17:10:49] | emily_: | let me check all of them |
| [17:10:53] | fryfrog: | ie, "modinfo tuner" shows you some stuff (not like "nothing found") |
| [17:10:57] | fryfrog: | er, no module found? |
| [17:11:13] | xq: | janneg: no, it's the same if the card is in the CAM or not.. |
| [17:11:34] | fryfrog: | and of course, when you checked that new option in the kernel... you compiled the kernel, copied it to /boot and then rebooted so it would be used? |
| [17:11:42] | emily_: | fryfrog: it comes up with info for all of them |
| [17:11:49] | emily_: | fryfrog: heh yes, I did |
| [17:12:05] | fryfrog: | humm, weird |
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| [17:13:20] | fryfrog: | okay, two things to try. |
| [17:13:25] | emily_: | ok |
| [17:13:26] | fryfrog: | first, do a "modules-update" |
| [17:13:36] | jrr: | anyone here use their digital cable box with myth? |
| [17:13:37] | emily_: | ok, done |
| [17:13:37] | fryfrog: | then rmmod *all* the ivtv drivers that got loaded |
| [17:13:47] | emily_: | ok just a moment |
| [17:13:47] | fryfrog: | jrr: I use two HD DVR over firewire on my setup |
| [17:14:03] | jrr: | fryfrog: either happen to be the motorola 6412? |
| [17:14:06] | fryfrog: | yup |
| [17:14:17] | jrr: | what's your experience wrt protected/not channels |
| [17:14:17] | fryfrog: | both of them "unsupported" modules |
| [17:14:20] | fryfrog: | er, versions |
| [17:14:28] | fryfrog: | *nothing* on my 6412 is protected |
| [17:14:35] | fryfrog: | but i dont get HBO or anything |
| [17:14:45] | fryfrog: | I get TNTHD and DiscoveryHD just fine |
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| [17:14:52] | jrr: | woooot |
| [17:14:55] | fryfrog: | MTVHD also |
| [17:14:57] | jrr: | dhd is pretty much all i watch |
| [17:15:18] | fryfrog: | jrr: are you using it over firewire now? or just thinkikng of trying? |
| [17:15:18] | jrr: | my provider is slow to adopt hd, but there's 5–10 channels |
| [17:15:20] | livingtm: | Anduin, what is the name of the backend process that should be running |
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| [17:15:47] | jrr: | i'm not using myth at all atm; i have the dvr/cable box plugged right into my projector |
| [17:15:50] | rothgar: | is there a easy way to find my ip address for a mythbackend? |
| [17:16:01] | fryfrog: | emily_: let me figure out the "modprobe" for us to use :) |
| [17:16:14] | fryfrog: | try "modprobe -vn ivtv" |
| [17:16:19] | fryfrog: | it should tell you what it wants to load up |
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| [17:16:42] | fryfrog: | jrr: ah, i see. well if you do try it... try using "broadcast" firewire mode on those 6412's |
| [17:16:54] | Yalla-One: | Where on the wiki/web can I find who's the current maintainer for the MythMusic plugin? Wasn't there a Google SOC project to completely rewrite it and make it more userfriendly? |
| [17:17:00] | fryfrog: | i fucked around with p2p mode for weeks and it was unstable like my wife's sister |
| [17:17:16] | rothgar: | hmm, I guess I don't have a ip, that may be the problem :) |
| [17:17:36] | Anduin: | livingtm: mythbackend |
| [17:17:44] | janneg: | xq: windows or different cam are your next options |
| [17:17:52] | fryfrog: | emily_: and post the output to a paste spot |
| [17:17:55] | jrr: | fryfrog: are recordings on your 6412 protected? |
| [17:18:23] | fryfrog: | jrr: why would mythtv obey stupid "protection" flags? :) |
| [17:19:41] | livingtm: | Anduin, okay backend is running now... and frontend is running.. it was a library directory permission error. i moved the library to another HD :-) thanks for your helop |
| [17:20:27] | jrr: | fryfrog: i mean shows recorded to your cable box |
| [17:20:47] | livingtm: | now... next issue.. i have a bt878 tuner card, and all that comes out of the audio is fuzz.. is there some option that im missing? |
| [17:20:50] | fryfrog: | jrr: oh, my 6412's are brand new from comcast and don't do any sort of recording |
| [17:21:12] | fryfrog: | I *had* a single 6412, but was having a hard time with it in myth (turned out to be due to using p2p instead of broadcast) |
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| [17:21:27] | jrr: | the motorola 6412 is their dual tuner dvr, isn't it? |
| [17:21:30] | fryfrog: | so I called them and said "bring me two of the HD tuners instead of your shitty DVR |
| [17:21:37] | fryfrog: | yup |
| [17:21:50] | fryfrog: | and they came to my door and too my shitty HDDVR (6412) out to the van... |
| [17:21:55] | fryfrog: | and the dude walks in with TWO MORE OF THEM |
| [17:21:59] | fryfrog: | stupid ass comcast :p |
| [17:22:07] | jrr: | hahaha |
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| [17:22:14] | jrr: | have you ever used the component out in one of them? |
| [17:22:18] | fryfrog: | aparantly they just didn't have any of them |
| [17:22:31] | fryfrog: | Yeah, on my old box I didn't use it with mythtv |
| [17:22:37] | fryfrog: | just let it record and send via its own shit |
| [17:22:49] | fryfrog: | my *original* had a dvi port, but the new ones i have are hdmi |
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| [17:23:00] | fryfrog: | don't use either of those |
| [17:23:04] | jrr: | i get subtle scrolling color bands when using component from my 6412, but not with hdmi |
| [17:23:09] | fryfrog: | now, here is *my* question that i have not yet tested... |
| [17:23:18] | fryfrog: | the box has 2 tuners... |
| [17:23:29] | fryfrog: | can you access both of them if you use 2 firewire cables? |
| [17:23:43] | fryfrog: | the box has 2 ports, but right *now* i use the 2nd port to daisy chain to my second box |
| [17:23:53] | fryfrog: | what happens if you hook a firewire cable to each port and plug into pc? |
| [17:24:04] | xq: | janneg: sounds bad :) .. here's the output of zap : nothing happens after the last line.. http://pastebin.ca/222946 |
| [17:24:05] | fryfrog: | do you get 2 functional nodes? |
| [17:24:14] | fryfrog: | emily_: did you die? :) |
| [17:24:16] | jrr: | you'll probably rip a hole in space time |
| [17:24:23] | fryfrog: | BZZZT |
| [17:24:26] | fryfrog: | prolly so :) |
| [17:24:35] | fryfrog: | i wonder if it'll hurt :) |
| [17:24:43] | fryfrog: | hey, did you guys know Hiro from Heroes is a programmer? |
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| [17:24:44] | emily_: | fryfrog: sorry, phone rang... |
| [17:24:45] | fryfrog: | ZOMG! |
| [17:24:51] | jrr: | so right now it works like a firewire 'hub', for daisy chaining? |
| [17:24:56] | fryfrog: | emily_: no worries, glad you are still in the land of the living :) |
| [17:25:17] | fryfrog: | jrr: i dunno much about firewire... but right now i have firewire cable from pc -> cable box -> cable box |
| [17:25:19] | emily_: | fryfrog: heh thanks. ok, so you want me to post what? |
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| [17:25:40] | fryfrog: | do a "modprobe -nv ivtv" and paste the results |
| [17:25:52] | fryfrog: | it *should* tell you what modules it'd try to load, but not actually do it |
| [17:26:10] | emily_: | insmod /lib/modules/2.6.17-gentoo-r4/extra/ivtv.ko |
| [17:26:21] | emily_: | figured it was silly to post that to the web |
| [17:27:13] | fryfrog: | thats *all*? |
| [17:27:30] | fryfrog: | OHHHH |
| [17:27:33] | fryfrog: | I know what you did :) |
| [17:27:38] | jrr: | fryfrog: did you bother with a pretty htpc case? |
| [17:27:42] | janneg: | xq: something is wrong with the CI/CAM. you could ask in #linuxtv but I doubt that they can offer different "solutions"/error finding methods |
| [17:27:59] | fryfrog: | jrr: my FE/Slave BE is a dual xeon in a pretty loud case, sounds like a heli :( |
| [17:28:13] | fryfrog: | jrr: it was the only spare system I had, i've no money at the moment to build a proper one |
| [17:28:37] | jrr: | you'd have spare money if you didn't go around buying dual xeon boxen |
| [17:28:49] | fryfrog: | emily_: Okay, first you need to go back into kernel config. Make sure all the v4l stuff are set to modules (the M, not the *). Pick the 848 or 878 to get tuner and a few other modules |
| [17:29:14] | fryfrog: | emily_: then, at the bottom of that section there should be an "additional encoders" spot or something like that. Make *all* of those "M" too |
| [17:29:19] | fryfrog: | M means "module" |
| [17:29:28] | jrr: | fryfrog: you don't need anywhere near that much power, do you? |
| [17:29:28] | fryfrog: | jrr: they were spare, old cpus |
| [17:29:31] | jrr: | or are you transcoding |
| [17:29:38] | fryfrog: | old ass 2.4ghz from 3 or 4 years ago |
| [17:29:43] | Ryushin: | Has anyone heard why some HD broadcasts fail transcoding while others work fine? |
| [17:29:46] | Borromini: | guys a question about configs |
| [17:29:50] | fryfrog: | jrr: heck no, i'd trade em for a single modern amd64 :) |
| [17:29:53] | jrr: | candidates for my htpc will be a K7 and a K8, and i'd like to save the latter for gaming |
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| [17:29:58] | Borromini: | if i remove the mythtv package, and reinstall it |
| [17:29:59] | emily_: | fryfrog: ok..VFL is set to M Already |
| [17:30:00] | xq: | janneg: ok.. thanks a lot for your help.. i will rather try another CAM than go to windows, since the HTPC will be working as a webserver as well.. |
| [17:30:02] | fryfrog: | K7? |
| [17:30:06] | Borromini: | will i loose any config files? |
| [17:30:11] | Borromini: | k7 = athlon Xp |
| [17:30:14] | jrr: | yes |
| [17:30:17] | jrr: | 2200+ |
| [17:30:20] | emily_: | fryfrog: enable VFS for linux api 1 (DEPRECIATED) is set to *, and I can't set it to M.. |
| [17:30:22] | Ryushin: | Borromini: You configs are in mysql. |
| [17:30:31] | fryfrog: | do it :) |
| [17:30:38] | Borromini: | Ryushin so i can remove, rebuild, and install again safely? :-) |
| [17:30:46] | Ryushin: | Are you using source? |
| [17:30:46] | fryfrog: | and then under tv input devices, pick the 848 and make it "M" |
| [17:30:51] | emily_: | fryfrog: BT848 is set to M already |
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| [17:30:54] | fryfrog: | that'll bring in tuner and tveeprom |
| [17:30:54] | Ryushin: | Or a distro package? |
| [17:30:55] | fryfrog: | ok |
| [17:31:07] | netw1z: | anyone have the Happauge Silver Dog Bone remote? How can I get the up and down buttons to repeat faster in a given menu |
| [17:31:08] | fryfrog: | and in the "additional encoders/decoders" spot? |
| [17:31:12] | emily_: | fryfrog: all encoders/decoders are selectd and are already at M |
| [17:31:18] | fryfrog: | k |
| [17:31:19] | Borromini: | Ryushin i built a slack package |
| [17:31:21] | fryfrog: | exit out |
| [17:31:27] | Borromini: | but i would like to rebuild it (add some more stuff) |
| [17:31:27] | fryfrog: | do "make && make modules_install |
| [17:31:28] | emily_: | fryfrog: ok |
| [17:31:35] | Borromini: | so i'd like to rebuild without mythtv installed |
| [17:31:41] | fryfrog: | jrr: 2200+ is *very* unlikely to do HD playback |
| [17:31:42] | Borromini: | to assure it's completely clean |
| [17:31:55] | Ryushin: | Well, just to be on the safe side, use mysqldump to extract the database so all your information is saved. |
| [17:32:00] | fryfrog: | jrr: my 2.4ghz is *just* on the border, if it were not dual I think it'd be much close to not working |
| [17:32:02] | Borromini: | okay |
| [17:32:07] | Borromini: | how do i do that Ryushin ? |
| [17:32:11] | ** Borromini is no mysql ace ** | |
| [17:32:13] | jrr: | good call |
| [17:32:15] | jrr: | K8 it is |
| [17:32:16] | fryfrog: | jrr: My 1600+ XP from years gone by can't do HD at all, but it does SD fine |
| [17:32:25] | Ryushin: | fryfrog: How fast in ghz is the 2200+? |
| [17:32:31] | fryfrog: | humm |
| [17:32:32] | ** Ribs just aquired a new Dell P4 o/ ** | |
| [17:32:32] | Borromini: | 1.8 Ghz |
| [17:32:36] | fryfrog: | 1600+ is like 1ghz |
| [17:32:37] | Borromini: | 2200+ is a 1.8 Ghz |
| [17:32:41] | fryfrog: | ah |
| [17:32:43] | Ribs: | and Ubuntu edgy just came out, with new mythtv! |
| [17:32:46] | ** Borromini has had a 2200+ too ** | |
| [17:32:47] | ** Ribs loves free software ** | |
| [17:32:51] | fryfrog: | you *might* get HD from it, but i suspect not |
| [17:32:55] | fryfrog: | Borromini: any insight? |
| [17:32:59] | dongivuhfuk: | hey fryfrog and everyone |
| [17:33:02] | Borromini: | fryfrog on what? |
| [17:33:02] | fryfrog: | hi |
| [17:33:03] | jrr: | my 2200+ is my living room cpu right now, in windows, and it can do wmv hd but not quicktime |
| [17:33:03] | janneg: | xq: I wouldn't suggest to switch to windows. but it the only way to check the hardware against "good" drivers |
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| [17:33:08] | fryfrog: | HD with a 2200+>? |
| [17:33:11] | Borromini: | ah :( |
| [17:33:12] | Ribs: | you should be able to get HD on those systems |
| [17:33:17] | Borromini: | i don't know... i'm barely starting with mythtv |
| [17:33:19] | Ribs: | using xvmc |
| [17:33:21] | fryfrog: | ah :) |
| [17:33:28] | Borromini: | i fixed my 2200+ to use a 400 Mhz FSB though :-) |
| [17:33:32] | Borromini: | instead of the 266 one |
| [17:33:33] | mintee: | so I set my boxen to record lost last night in HD |
| [17:33:40] | Borromini: | which should help a bit |
| [17:33:42] | fryfrog: | jrr: might as well try it, if it doesn't work you can always go to the other :) |
| [17:33:52] | Borromini: | but i don't know how the late K7's perform with HD content |
| [17:34:03] | mintee: | and even though i can't watch it on the myth box, i scp'd it to my windows box it watched it and it was GREAT |
| [17:34:21] | janneg: | xq: if it works with the windows drivers their is an error in the linux drivers. if it doesn't work, the hardware might be broken or incompatible |
| [17:34:21] | mintee: | 1 hour was 5 gig's! |
| [17:34:54] | fryfrog: | emily_: http://phpfi.com/168006 <-- that is what mine says |
| [17:35:03] | fryfrog: | mintee: you got off light, I get about 7G / hr :) |
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| [17:35:28] | mintee: | fryfrog, yeah?! wow. well, that makes me understand why that box won't play them though. |
| [17:35:28] | Ryushin: | Barromini: /usr/bin/mysqldump -uroot -pyourpassword --opt -h localhost mythconverg |
| [17:35:34] | mintee: | hell, at least i can record |
| [17:35:44] | jrr: | fryfrog: do you know of any windows apps i can use to test firewire from my cable box? |
| [17:35:52] | emily_: | fryfrog: strange.. what does that mean? |
| [17:35:58] | fryfrog: | jrr: nah, never tried it |
| [17:36:08] | fryfrog: | emily_: it means for some reason the ivtv module doesn't know to load those other modules |
| [17:36:14] | fryfrog: | jrr: in linux, it is easy |
| [17:36:18] | Borromini: | thanks Ryushin |
| [17:36:26] | Ryushin: | Well, I've been able to get HD playback on a sempron64 run at 1.96 ghz. Overclocked from 1.6. |
| [17:36:27] | jrr: | does it come in as a V4L source? |
| [17:36:29] | fryfrog: | jrr: the command "plugreport" will tell you which adapter and port it is on |
| [17:36:41] | Ryushin: | This is 720p, not 1080i/1080p. |
| [17:36:48] | mintee: | Ryushin... oh nvrmnd |
| [17:36:50] | emily_: | fryfrog: so what should I do? *scratches her head* |
| [17:36:57] | fryfrog: | and the "firewire_tester" |
| [17:36:59] | mintee: | Ryushin, nvidia card? |
| [17:37:04] | Ryushin: | And you have to put certain compile options for myth to make it work. |
| [17:37:08] | Ryushin: | fx5200 |
| [17:37:21] | fryfrog: | emily_: now that your kernel is setup right, maybe try "emerge ivtv" again? |
| [17:37:38] | emily_: | fryfrog: alright..i'll try that |
| [17:37:55] | mintee: | Ryushin, what compile options? cause my p4 2.4ghz machine won't play HD |
| [17:38:10] | fryfrog: | probably he means "xvmc" support |
| [17:38:17] | xq: | janneg: ok.. perhaps i would have to try it on one of my windows machines then.. |
| [17:38:17] | Ryushin: | I would consider 2 ghz the absolute minimum to do libmpeg decoding. XvMC has been VERY problematic with the Nvidia cards. |
| [17:38:47] | Ryushin: | mintee: Are you using XvMC, libmpeg, or just straight software? |
| [17:38:50] | Paladine: | the latest nvidia drivers apparantly fix the XvMC issues |
| [17:39:05] | kormoc: | they fix *some* of them with certain chipsets |
| [17:39:06] | emily_: | fryfrog: same thing... |
| [17:39:10] | fryfrog: | Paladine: know if they let the OSD be in color w/o a work around? |
| [17:39:16] | fryfrog: | emily_: it recompiled that fast? |
| [17:39:22] | mintee: | Ryushin, yeah, even without decoding (no libmpeg or XvMC) i cannot attempt to play HD |
| [17:39:27] | Paladine: | I don't know because I don't use XvMC |
| [17:39:32] | Ryushin: | Sorry, I should say, that XvMC has been very problematic to playback HD for nvidia. SD works great. |
| [17:39:34] | fryfrog: | ahah, me either :/ |
| [17:39:35] | emily_: | fryfrog: I just did "emerge ivtv"...so ..yeah, looks like it |
| [17:39:39] | fryfrog: | k |
| [17:39:41] | Paladine: | I just remember reading about iton the nvidia linux forums |
| [17:40:08] | mintee: | Ryushin, i haven't tried OCing the box yet, but I'd rather not anyway... OC == higher power bill |
| [17:40:16] | fryfrog: | mintee: ahahah |
| [17:40:27] | fryfrog: | mintee: higher power bill, this is what most OC'ers worry about :) |
| [17:40:42] | mintee: | already paying like $150 a month... |
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| [17:41:26] | Ryushin: | mintee: The Sempron64's have a LOT of potential in them. They are fairly low power anyway. Never even got it slightly warm when over clocking it. |
| [17:41:38] | Paladine: | my power bill will go down now :) |
| [17:42:06] | Paladine: | switched from 2x 200+ WATT 21" CRT Monitors to 2x 70W 19" LCDs :) |
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| [17:42:22] | mintee: | my desktop is a low power using core 2 duo e6600 |
| [17:42:24] | mintee: | :D |
| [17:42:34] | Angryelf_: | has anyone here used the myth 0.2 packages on ubuntu edgy yet? |
| [17:42:40] | mintee: | watercooled no less, so it's nice and quiet too |
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| [17:43:08] | mintee: | Ryushin, you have any recommendations on getting mine boxen to play HD? |
| [17:43:22] | Paladine: | I bet my 2x Geforce 6600GT PCI-E cards and fans use more power than your entire system lol |
| [17:43:34] | Ryushin: | I bought a Athlon64 X2 running 2.2 ghz for each core. It idles at 79 degress (Fahrenheit) and never get's hotter then 132. |
| [17:43:48] | Borromini: | huh? |
| [17:43:49] | Borromini: | ah |
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| [17:43:57] | Borromini: | how much Celsius would that be? |
| [17:44:01] | fryfrog: | emily_: try a "modules-update" again, then the "modprobe -vn ivtv" and see if it is the same |
| [17:44:06] | mintee: | Paladine, my mythbox has a AGP 6600GT, and my desktop now is a 7900GT :D |
| [17:44:25] | ** Borromini has AGP 6600GT TOP silent for the mythbox :-) ** | |
| [17:44:26] | Paladine: | my AMD64 3700+ San Diego Core system never gets hotter than 32 celcius |
| [17:44:27] | mintee: | no sli until the dx10 cards come out |
| [17:44:58] | emily_: | fryfrog: does the same thing... |
| [17:45:03] | fryfrog: | k |
| [17:45:08] | mintee: | Borromini, I read something about "hardware acceleration enabled" using nvidia cards. what's that even mean? |
| [17:45:22] | fryfrog: | can you do an "lsmod" and pastebin it? |
| [17:45:46] | Borromini: | i think some 6600 cards and higher got a native decoder/encoder mintee |
| [17:45:50] | Borromini: | i don't know which one it is :P |
| [17:45:57] | Borromini: | i'd say decoder but not sure at all |
| [17:46:09] | Borromini: | since encoding has to be done by the CPU or the tuner card |
| [17:46:11] | emily_: | fryfrog: http://phpfi.com/168012 |
| [17:46:12] | Paladine: | depends on the chipset |
| [17:46:12] | Ryushin: | mintee: It means XvMC. |
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| [17:46:14] | Paladine: | mine has both |
| [17:46:24] | fryfrog: | er, i think all nvidia cards since like gf2 have had decode acceleration |
| [17:46:27] | mintee: | Ryushin, you mentioned something about a compile option with myth for HD, what were you talking about? |
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| [17:46:50] | fryfrog: | emily_: you forgot to kill off the old modules |
| [17:46:55] | mintee: | Borromini, hum... well you know how to "enable" it? |
| [17:47:10] | fryfrog: | emily_: "rmmod tuner tveeprom videodev v4l1_compat v4l2_common" |
| [17:47:11] | Borromini: | mintee using the proprietary drivers maybe? |
| [17:47:19] | emily_: | fryfrog: oh *blush* ok..just a moment |
| [17:47:22] | Borromini: | dunno if the nv driver uses them too |
| [17:47:28] | Ryushin: | Oh, let me paste what I'm using: --arch=k8 --extra-cflags="-O3 -march=k8 -fomit-frame-pointer " --extra-cxxflags="-march=k8 -O3 -fomit-frame-pointer " |
| [17:47:39] | Ryushin: | Those are for a 64 bit athlon. |
| [17:47:49] | Paladine: | Borromini, my 6600GTs have vivo and do hardware encoding |
| [17:48:06] | Paladine: | afaik they do hardware encoding |
| [17:48:07] | mintee: | -fomit-frame-pointer ? |
| [17:48:14] | emily_: | fryfrog: http://phpfi.com/168014 <--new lsmod |
| [17:48:24] | mintee: | Paladine, by default? |
| [17:48:31] | Ryushin: | Paladine: How are you doing hardware encoding? |
| [17:48:43] | fryfrog: | okay, now try a "modprobe -vn ivtv" |
| [17:48:56] | Paladine: | I don't use vivo cos there are no linux drivers for it yet, so I use my pvr150 |
| [17:49:11] | emily_: | fryfrog: http://phpfi.com/168016 |
| [17:49:17] | Paladine: | but I am 99.999999999999% the phillips chipset used for vivo provide hardware encoding |
| [17:50:17] | fryfrog: | okay, that is a bit better |
| [17:50:20] | Ryushin: | Paladine: Okay, yea, the drivers for nvidia don't let you do any hardware encoding. |
| [17:50:30] | emily_: | *smile* yay |
| [17:50:34] | fryfrog: | okay, do a "dmesg -c" |
| [17:50:37] | fryfrog: | that'll clear out your dmesg |
| [17:50:40] | Paladine: | thats cos the vivo chipset is nothing to do with nvidia |
| [17:50:42] | fryfrog: | then do "modprobe ivtv" |
| [17:50:48] | fryfrog: | and then "dmesg" and paste me the output |
| [17:50:54] | Paladine: | hense why there are no nvidia drivers for it |
| [17:51:01] | Ryushin: | mintee: Those compile options are for compiling mythtv from source. |
| [17:51:02] | Paladine: | the vivo cards are vendor specific |
| [17:51:13] | Ryushin: | In fact, I suggest that everyone uses source for myth. |
| [17:51:15] | Paladine: | my cards also do HD out |
| [17:51:21] | mintee: | Ryushin, yeah, i know that silly |
| [17:51:33] | emily_: | whoa! No errors! |
| [17:51:36] | Ryushin: | mintee: K, it's just a lot don't. |
| [17:51:49] | mintee: | Ryushin, well this was my first install, so i did use packages |
| [17:52:00] | emily_: | fryfrog: http://phpfi.com/168018 |
| [17:52:09] | mintee: | and i actually used *cough* fedora *cough* |
| [17:52:17] | Ryushin: | Ick. |
| [17:52:25] | mintee: | yeah, i know |
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| [17:52:37] | mintee: | i started using archlinux, but had some weird problems |
| [17:52:43] | Ryushin: | I would used debian or if you're a serious masochistic, gentoo. |
| [17:52:52] | mintee: | which i've found out are just from my card and not the distro |
| [17:53:19] | mintee: | but i read and read and read and all the myth faries told me to try fedora and see what happens |
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| [17:53:55] | Ryushin: | the myth faries should have mentioned knopmyth then. |
| [17:53:55] | mintee: | i tell ya, it's a major PITA to use fedora without a mouse. |
| [17:53:56] | ** Paladine started theprocess of claiming back over $4000 USD worth of bank penalties today :) so I might be buying some new kit soon :) ** | |
| [17:53:59] | Paladine: | an X2 would be nice |
| [17:54:17] | emily_: | fryfrog: ok, I'm going to try starting mythtv-setup again |
| [17:54:18] | Borromini: | :-) |
| [17:54:19] | mintee: | Ryushin, they did mention knopmyth, but it seemed like it was only a frontend |
| [17:54:24] | Borromini: | no core duo Paladine ? |
| [17:54:26] | Ryushin: | Paladine: yea, and only $183 US from newegg. |
| [17:54:31] | Borromini: | you have to admit they kick arse |
| [17:54:33] | mintee: | and i need the 2.6.18 kernel since i'm using DVB |
| [17:54:41] | Ryushin: | Knopmyth is a full distro that is myth optimized. |
| [17:54:43] | Paladine: | Borromini, I wouldn't piss on intel if they were on fire |
| [17:54:53] | czth_: | i'm using a PVR-500 (Samsung tuner) and the picture so far is really grainy, sometimes unusable on the lower channels. are there any known fixes? (myth 0.19, gentoo, AMD64) |
| [17:54:57] | Paladine: | Ryushin, I am in the UK so newegg is no good to me :) |
| [17:55:06] | mintee: | Ryushin, you mean if you actually tell it to install on the harddrive? |
| [17:55:12] | Ryushin: | Yea |
| [17:55:32] | Borromini: | lol Paladine :P |
| [17:55:44] | Paladine: | I would like to get an X2 and some more hard drives |
| [17:55:49] | mintee: | yeah, i might do that tonight to see what happens. do you remember if it is running 2.6.18? |
| [17:55:57] | Paladine: | maybe even upgrade my RAM from 2GB to 4GB |
| [17:56:01] | Ryushin: | Paladine: I don't know, I wouldn't mind pissing on intel. Stuff like that doesn't come up to often. |
| [17:56:02] | Borromini: | heh? |
| [17:56:08] | Borromini: | 4 GB for a mythtv box? |
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| [17:56:31] | Ryushin: | I'm waiting for the TB drives to come out. I'm going to put 6 of them in my box. |
| [17:56:36] | fryfrog: | emily_: ah, it looks like it worked eh? |
| [17:56:36] | Paladine: | Ryushin, let me find a picture of my mate pissing on the MS sign at Redmond HQ :) |
| [17:57:00] | mintee: | ahhh haha, lemme see too |
| [17:57:02] | ** Borromini would be happy with a 3x 400 GB RAID 5 also ** | |
| [17:57:03] | Paladine: | http://dustpuppy.internal.org/ufiepics/56.jpg |
| [17:57:10] | Ryushin: | 1 GB is completely fine for myth. 2 GB would be nice. 4 GB would be over kill. |
| [17:57:11] | fryfrog: | 5x 320G makes me happy :) |
| [17:57:16] | mintee: | Ahhhhhh haha nice |
| [17:57:28] | fryfrog: | Gonna add a 6th and a X2 cpu next go around i think :) |
| [17:57:37] | Borromini: | :-) |
| [17:57:38] | Borromini: | lol |
| [17:57:44] | Borromini: | first get this baby working |
| [17:57:48] | Paladine: | http://dustpuppy.internal.org/ <- just so you can see it really is him pissing on the sign :) |
| [17:57:51] | fryfrog: | <3 kernel software raid |
| [17:58:03] | ** Borromini agrees with fryfrog ** | |
| [17:58:17] | fryfrog: | i was happy to discover you can expand raid5 on the fly now |
| [17:58:17] | Borromini: | you guys think the K8 L2 cache matters much for mythtv performance overall? |
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| [17:58:22] | fryfrog: | and i can xfs_grow :) |
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| [17:58:30] | mintee: | kernel software raid fast enough to keep up with the myth writes? |
| [17:58:34] | Paladine: | I am pretty sure my mainboard has hardware RAID |
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| [17:58:39] | fryfrog: | Borromini: nah, just buy any *modern* cpu and you should be fast enough for HD |
| [17:58:44] | Borromini: | k |
| [17:58:45] | kormoc: | mintee, sure is |
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| [17:58:56] | fryfrog: | Paladine: Unless your "hardware" raid has ram and its own cpu, its just software raid |
| [17:58:57] | Borromini: | so i'll keep my Sempron64 1.8 Ghz :-) |
| [17:59:00] | Ryushin: | when I get the new drives, I'm not going to be using RAID anymore. I'll be using myth's multiple storage mounts. |
| [17:59:05] | kormoc: | Paladine, that's very unlikely. Your motherboard likely has hardware assisted software raid, but very very unlikely to have true hardware raid |
| [17:59:13] | fryfrog: | Ryushin: multiple storage mounts? |
| [17:59:14] | Paladine: | it has dual sata raid (8 ports 4x sata and 4x sataII) with dual raid upto raid10+1 |
| [17:59:20] | Borromini: | it's always hybrid |
| [17:59:28] | Borromini: | when it's directly on the motherboard |
| [17:59:34] | Borromini: | in that case software raid is preferable |
| [17:59:44] | Borromini: | at least under linux, dunno under windows |
| [17:59:47] | fryfrog: | Borromini: not true, dells i have worked on have scsi raid controllers with their own cpu and ram onboard |
| [18:00:01] | Borromini: | okay |
| [18:00:03] | kormoc: | indeed |
| [18:00:06] | kormoc: | there are a few |
| [18:00:11] | fryfrog: | in teh windows, it doesn't support software raid unless you pay big $$ for it :( |
| [18:00:15] | kormoc: | but not for sata/pata afaik |
| [18:00:15] | Borromini: | that was no normal end-user motherboard i suppose then? |
| [18:00:20] | fryfrog: | so you gotta use the "fake" hardware raid :) |
| [18:00:23] | kormoc: | Borromini, server level |
| [18:00:27] | Borromini: | k |
| [18:00:27] | fryfrog: | Borromini: you cought me :) |
| [18:00:32] | Borromini: | thought so :) |
| [18:00:34] | mintee: | hardware raid is still $$$, mobo's now that says they are SATA RAIDable and have the controller screen after the database are still SW raid. iirc |
| [18:01:06] | kormoc: | mintee, indeed, they are hardware assisted software raids, which means a slightly fancy drive controler, nothing special at all |
| [18:01:14] | Paladine: | would be nice to pick up another 6 250GB SATAs |
| [18:01:21] | Paladine: | and run 2x raid5 |
| [18:01:31] | fryfrog: | 250G sata is so last year, 320G is where its at now:) |
| [18:01:41] | mintee: | right, so if you Raid5 your going to tax your CPU a bit |
| [18:01:43] | kormoc: | meh, I'm a fan of 1+0 personally |
| [18:01:46] | Paladine: | 750GB SATAII is where it is at now :p |
| [18:01:48] | fryfrog: | 2x raid5? lame, make it a 12 drive raid5 :) |
| [18:01:55] | kormoc: | mintee, it's not all that bad anymore |
| [18:02:00] | Ryushin: | fryfrog: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/1744 |
| [18:02:00] | fryfrog: | kormoc: 1+0 is for bitches who want to lose half their drive space :) |
| [18:02:09] | ** kormoc laughs ** | |
| [18:02:22] | fryfrog: | kormoc: and bitches who like this "fast" crap |
| [18:02:28] | kormoc: | well, my next drive update will be 4x 500 gb, in a 1+0 array |
| [18:02:30] | Paladine: | fryfrog, I would have to get a 4 port sata raid card to have 12 drive raid5 |
| [18:02:37] | mintee: | kormoc, no? cause i did a linux sw raid 5 with a 2.4 krnl like 3 years ago it it totally sucked ass |
| [18:02:37] | mintee: | heh |
| [18:02:38] | Paladine: | by board only has 8 sata ports onboard |
| [18:02:54] | kormoc: | mintee, linux software raid has matured rather fast and nicely in the past bit |
| [18:03:03] | mintee: | that's good to hear. |
| [18:03:08] | kormoc: | mintee, they even support adding and removing and growing raid 5 while online |
| [18:03:11] | Paladine: | s/by/my |
| [18:03:16] | kormoc: | mintee, not really recommended, but it could be done :P |
| [18:03:19] | czth_: | i'm using a PVR-500 (Samsung tuner) and the picture so far is really grainy, sometimes unusable on the lower channels. are there any known fixes? (myth 0.19, gentoo, AMD64) – anyone else have this card? |
| [18:03:23] | Zider: | I wonder when them terabyte-drives will be released :P |
| [18:03:26] | fryfrog: | Ryushin: nice addition, but I'd still use a raid5 to avoid drive failures |
| [18:03:29] | fryfrog: | being an issue that is |
| [18:03:47] | Paladine: | whats the difference between raid5 and raid10, never used raid10 before |
| [18:03:48] | kormoc: | Zider, if seagate has anything to be said about it, 3q 2007 |
| [18:04:01] | Zider: | kormoc: it's not seagate that has announced it |
| [18:04:20] | fryfrog: | raid 10 is "0+1 or 1+0" |
| [18:04:23] | fryfrog: | er, stupid "" |
| [18:04:29] | Zider: | kormoc: I believe it was hitachi or something |
| [18:04:30] | kormoc: | Paladine, raid 1+0 is setting up 2 drives as stripeing (raid 0) and then mirroring them |
| [18:04:33] | fryfrog: | raid10 and raid5 are totoally different :) |
| [18:04:35] | Paladine: | Zider, there are 750GB SATAII drives available already, have been for some time now, so I bet 1GB drives are gonna be on the market before xmas |
| [18:04:41] | kormoc: | Zider, yeah, but seagate is attempting to beat them to market |
| [18:04:51] | emily_: | fryfrog: after yet another annoying phone call I tried mythtv-setup. Still doesnt' work. Here is my output: http://phpfi.com/168027 |
| [18:04:55] | kormoc: | Paladine, 1 GB drives are so 1992! |
| [18:04:56] | Paladine: | kormoc, raid10 not raid1+0 |
| [18:05:02] | Ryushin: | fryfrog: Well, it's only TV shows, so I'd rather have the space than the failover. I've had problems with RAID getting IO bound when individual drives handle more if it's distributed across it. |
| [18:05:05] | kormoc: | Paladine, there is no raid 10 |
| [18:05:10] | Zider: | kormoc: ah, ofcourse :D |
| [18:05:13] | Paladine: | my board supports raid10 and raid10+1 |
| [18:05:25] | quicksilver: | raid10 is just a way of saying 1+0 |
| [18:05:31] | kormoc: | yeah |
| [18:05:31] | quicksilver: | go look it up if you don't believe us |
| [18:05:32] | Paladine: | kormoc, there is according to my mainboard specs |
| [18:05:38] | mintee: | so is myth on athlon 64's rather easy to setup? using 2.6.18 krnl? |
| [18:05:40] | kormoc: | so what in god's name is raid 10+1... |
| [18:05:45] | mintee: | looking for testimonies |
| [18:05:46] | quicksilver: | mainboard specs are generally badly translated from korean |
| [18:05:51] | quicksilver: | don't take them too seriously :P |
| [18:05:53] | kormoc: | Paladine, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RAID#RAID_10 |
| [18:05:57] | Ryushin: | mintee: yea, I'm using 2.6.18.1 |
| [18:06:02] | kormoc: | A RAID 10, sometimes called RAID 1+0, or RAID 1&0 |
| [18:06:40] | fryfrog: | Ryushin: yeah, spose I could see that. I do get about 70–80mb writes to my raid5 array though, hard to IOBOUND that |
| [18:06:43] | kormoc: | well I would assume that you mirror and then stripe and then mirror in a 1+0+1 setup |
| [18:06:46] | Paladine: | sec I have to unblock wikipediain my router |
| [18:07:00] | mintee: | Ryushin, cool cause newegg has this $99 combo deal. AMD Athlon 64 3400+ Venice 2.2GHz w/ ECS KN1 Lite 1.0A Socket 939 NVIDIA nForce4 Ultra ATX AMD Motherboard |
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| [18:07:04] | kormoc: | but seems a bit... stupid to me |
| [18:07:06] | ** kormoc shrugs ** | |
| [18:07:13] | Zider: | "Perpendicular domain recording (a.k.a. "vertical recording") has been touted as a technology that will revolutionize the hard disk business since at least the early 80's. Every few years it gets a lot of hype, but the products never seem to appear. I'll believe this when I see it." <<- quote from 2005 |
| [18:07:21] | mintee: | Ryushin, i think that will play HD 1080i, what's your opinion |
| [18:07:26] | Zider: | I bet he belives it now |
| [18:07:40] | fryfrog: | Zider: probably, unless he has lost his eyesight! |
| [18:07:46] | Zider: | ;) |
| [18:07:47] | mintee: | or fryfrog for that matter? |
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| [18:09:01] | Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : +v stuarta | |
| [18:09:12] | stuarta: | evening all |
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| [18:10:28] | ** mintee pokes fryfrog and Ryushin with a frozen trout ** | |
| [18:11:00] | janneg: | evening stuarta, how was LinuxWorld? |
| [18:11:10] | Paladine: | Mintee I wouldn't recommend Venice core and I definitely wouldn't recommend ECS mainboards (I have had 4 RMAs on ECSboards in the last 6 weeks) |
| [18:11:24] | Paladine: | thats 4 out of 4 DOA |
| [18:11:42] | mintee: | ouch |
| [18:11:51] | mintee: | hence the reason they are giving them away ;) |
| [18:12:13] | Paladine: | they have cost me a bundle |
| [18:12:17] | fryfrog: | what is wrong with Venice core? |
| [18:12:25] | Ryushin: | mintee: I don't think it will do 1080i, It should do 720p though. |
| [18:12:37] | Paladine: | the boards were cheap, but the clients I was upgrading machines for are so pissed off I am doing the upgrades at cost |
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| [18:12:55] | Paladine: | so all the time I have put into the upgrades has been wasted and I end up making a loss on the jobs |
| [18:13:05] | mintee: | what about * BIOSTAR NF4ST-A9 Socket 939 NVIDIA nForce4 ATX AMD Motherboard – Retail |
| [18:13:05] | mintee: | * AMD Athlon 64 3400+ Venice 2.2GHz Socket 939 Processor Model ADA3400DAA4BY – OEM |
| [18:13:23] | Paladine: | again I wouldn't recommend venice |
| [18:13:29] | mintee: | right |
| [18:13:29] | Paladine: | try and get San Diego Core |
| [18:13:30] | mintee: | ;) |
| [18:13:39] | mintee: | well if you don't think the Venice will do 1080i then that's no good to me |
| [18:13:49] | Paladine: | I never said that |
| [18:13:57] | Paladine: | I just wouldn't recommend the Venice |
| [18:13:58] | fryfrog: | what is wrong with vencie? |
| [18:14:02] | mintee: | Ryushin did |
| [18:14:08] | Paladine: | venice is only 256 cache |
| [18:14:14] | fryfrog: | I'm pretty sure I have a 3000+ *older* than Venice and its fine |
| [18:14:15] | Ryushin: | mintee: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813130491 |
| [18:14:15] | fryfrog: | ahhhh |
| [18:14:30] | fryfrog: | cache size : 512 KB |
| [18:14:37] | fryfrog: | i guess i don't have a Venice at least :) |
| [18:14:52] | mintee: | Ryushin, ok and I guess a San Diego Core? |
| [18:15:04] | Paladine: | fryfrog, that a 64Bit you have there or 32bit? |
| [18:15:10] | emily_: | http://phpfi.com/168027 "No device tree for cardid 0" anyone? |
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| [18:15:21] | fryfrog: | 64bit 3000+ jobber |
| [18:15:39] | Paladine: | yeah it ain't a venice if it is 512 cache |
| [18:15:39] | fryfrog: | emily_: what are you picking for the "card type"? |
| [18:15:47] | fryfrog: | it should be "hardware mpeg2"? |
| [18:15:48] | Paladine: | the venice was introduced as the budget core |
| [18:15:56] | Ryushin: | mintee: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16819103547 |
| [18:15:57] | emily_: | fryfrog: It doesn't seem to matter. I'll tray again |
| [18:16:15] | Ryushin: | mintee: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814121009 |
| [18:16:16] | fryfrog: | when do you get that message? |
| [18:16:22] | Zider: | fryfrog: only 512k cache? PFF! ;) |
| [18:16:44] | Ryushin: | mintee: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820145449 |
| [18:16:45] | mintee: | Ryushin, already have a 6600GT |
| [18:16:46] | fryfrog: | i know, i'm a big wimp :( |
| [18:16:48] | Paladine: | Ryu, that manchester 256 on each core or 512 on each core? |
| [18:16:49] | janneg: | emily_: DVB-S? otherwise just ignore it |
| [18:16:54] | fryfrog: | i'm also using single channel, 64bit for my ram :( |
| [18:16:55] | emily_: | fryfrog: nope. Probed Info: failed to open. |
| [18:17:05] | Zider: | fryfrog: eww ;) |
| [18:17:09] | fryfrog: | emily_: when/where are you seeing that? |
| [18:17:25] | emily_: | fryfrog: on the mythtv-setup screen |
| [18:17:28] | Ryushin: | 128 L1, 512 L2 |
| [18:17:31] | fryfrog: | Now I have to get 1G stick of ram, an X2 3800+ (cheapest!) and another 320G drive :/ |
| [18:17:39] | mintee: | Ryushin, i just spent 3k on my new machine. I can't afford to build an entire new one.. but thanks for the suggestions |
| [18:17:42] | emily_: | janneg: I'ts a pvr-150... |
| [18:17:49] | fryfrog: | emily_: okay, but at what stage? right when you start it up? when you go to select cards? |
| [18:17:54] | Zider: | fryfrog: *waves his 4MB cache in front of* ;) |
| [18:18:15] | ** fryfrog sticks his huge 1.2TB penix in Zider's face :) ** | |
| [18:18:28] | Zider: | "penix"? |
| [18:18:34] | ** mintee throws his IBM SAN at fryfrog ** | |
| [18:18:35] | emily_: | fryfrog: when I go to capture cards, new capture card. It brings up "Capture card setup" |
| [18:18:38] | fryfrog: | i don't wanna get in trouble for using penis :/ |
| [18:18:41] | emily_: | fryfrog: its in the options on that screen |
| [18:18:42] | stuarta: | janneg: busy, very busy. |
| [18:18:44] | fryfrog: | emily_: ahhh |
| [18:18:47] | janneg: | emily_: ignore me, it mixed it up with something else |
| [18:18:48] | ** Zider slaps fryfrog around a bit with a spellcheck ;) ** | |
| [18:19:24] | Paladine: | fryfrog, this is what I want http://www.ebuyer.com/UK/product/102370 |
| [18:19:48] | jduggan: | does anyone here use mythtv with sky digital? |
| [18:20:03] | stuarta: | jduggan: several people do. |
| [18:20:04] | Paladine: | jduggan, I do |
| [18:20:05] | janneg: | stuarta: so it was a success |
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| [18:20:14] | fryfrog: | christ, unless i was rich i wouldn't spend $1000 on the damn cpu |
| [18:20:21] | jduggan: | Paladine: how do you connect the sky box to your tv card? |
| [18:20:31] | Paladine: | jduggan, I use svideo in |
| [18:20:33] | fryfrog: | you get like... what, 2x the performance of the cheapest cpu for 8–10x the cost? |
| [18:20:34] | stuarta: | janneg: yup. i'd expect this channel and maybe -users mailing list to get a bit busier over the weekend |
| [18:20:40] | mintee: | fryfrog that's why i got the e6600 instead of the x6800 |
| [18:20:55] | Paladine: | fryfrog, erm no, you get a lot more than 2x the performance lol |
| [18:21:00] | jduggan: | Paladine: and the svideo cable plugs into a scart adaptor with a two way switch on it(into the sky box)? |
| [18:21:04] | Paladine: | thats an FX-60 |
| [18:21:13] | janneg: | it was this afternoon very silent |
| [18:21:20] | Paladine: | jduggan, no, my sky box has svideo out |
| [18:21:25] | fryfrog: | realistically, how much faster do you think it is/ |
| [18:21:26] | fryfrog: | ? |
| [18:21:27] | Zider: | FX-60 is that expensive? bloody hell.. |
| [18:21:35] | Zider: | just get a core2duo ffs :P |
| [18:21:36] | Paladine: | well for a start it is 2x 1MB cache |
| [18:21:43] | fryfrog: | I've never seen one in action, so i have no clue :) |
| [18:21:52] | ** mintee claps for core2duo ** | |
| [18:21:54] | jduggan: | Paladine: ah right, using a scart adaptor out shouldnt effect quality though should it? |
| [18:22:16] | Paladine: | jduggan, the best quality is using svideo out from the sky box |
| [18:22:21] | Paladine: | most sky boxes have svideo out |
| [18:22:30] | Paladine: | a few don't but most do |
| [18:22:43] | jduggan: | Paladine: heh mine doesnt :( |
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| [18:23:32] | Paladine: | I haven't tried it via a scart convertor, although I do have one |
| [18:23:53] | Paladine: | so I am not sure if there a major difference |
| [18:24:03] | quicksilver: | will depend on the quality of your scart cable |
| [18:24:06] | quicksilver: | and also what the wiring is |
| [18:24:21] | quicksilver: | (since there is RGB-over-scart, svideo-over-scart and composite-over-scart, I think) |
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| [18:25:03] | emily_: | still not working *pout* |
| [18:25:07] | jduggan: | quicksilver: i have a scart adaptor with component and svideo input and i have a switch on it for input or ouput |
| [18:25:19] | jduggan: | the svideo cable is 10metres long and the quality is rather poor |
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| [18:25:34] | quicksilver: | yeah, depends on the quality of all the cables involved in fact :) |
| [18:25:49] | Paladine: | fryfrog, this is the alternative http://www.ebuyer.com/customer/products/index . . . ct_uid=91328 |
| [18:25:56] | jduggan: | Paladine: what model is your sat box? |
| [18:25:59] | Paladine: | regular X2 with 2x 512 cache |
| [18:26:21] | Paladine: | jduggan, the one I am using with myth is my old grundig |
| [18:26:27] | Paladine: | we have 3 sky boxes |
| [18:26:31] | Paladine: | (1 sky+) |
| [18:26:42] | jduggan: | ok i need to find a model with svideo out |
| [18:26:46] | jduggan: | on ebay |
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| [18:28:02] | ** mintee hold up a cardboard sign, "Will IRC for hardware" ** | |
| [18:29:02] | emily_: | anyone: http://phpfi.com/168033 what could be causing that last error when I try to add my tuner card in mythtv-setup? |
| [18:29:12] | mintee: | 'skuze me sir, skuze me, spare a DIMM?" |
| [18:29:31] | emily_: | google is no help.. |
| [18:29:44] | mintee: | mythtv: No such file or directory |
| [18:29:55] | mintee: | what is it looking for? |
| [18:29:58] | Paladine: | fryfrog, I can get the fx-60 for almost half the price on ebay :) |
| [18:30:07] | mintee: | backend not running emily_? |
| [18:30:20] | emily_: | mintee: lirc |
| [18:30:50] | fryfrog: | emily_: that error is saying that it can't find anything to rotate your antenna mast |
| [18:30:53] | mintee: | 'skuze me sir, sir, i swear I ain't trading it for drugs, can you spare me a core2duo. please?" |
| [18:30:54] | fryfrog: | it isn't anything to worry about |
| [18:31:07] | mintee: | emily_, oh. i'm not there yet, so i'm worthless |
| [18:31:33] | emily_: | fryfrog: figured. I'm not at lirc yet either. It's the last error I don't get, about the device tree |
| [18:31:46] | emily_: | fryfrog: or is that the antenna mast error? |
| [18:32:05] | fryfrog: | emily_: right, that "digiseq" thing is a method for moving satalites, antennas, etc |
| [18:32:08] | fryfrog: | so its okay :) |
| [18:32:23] | emily_: | fryfrog: I see. strange. So why would it be having problems finding my card? |
| [18:32:38] | fryfrog: | its not |
| [18:32:43] | fryfrog: | its just not finding any hardware |
| [18:32:50] | fryfrog: | just ignore the error and keep going :0 |
| [18:32:56] | fryfrog: | brb |
| [18:33:07] | emily_: | ..ok |
| [18:34:29] | emily_: | Input connections "MPEG: Could not open " to probe its inputs)->None |
| [18:34:41] | Paladine: | fryfrog, this is not bad <- http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/NEW-AMD-ATHLON-64-X2-48 . . . cmdZViewItem |
| [18:34:52] | Paladine: | thats the X2 toledo |
| [18:35:18] | Paladine: | have 2x the l1 cache to the fx-60 |
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| [18:36:46] | Paladine: | thats probably what I would get |
| [18:36:58] | fryfrog: | emily_: man, wtf? :p |
| [18:37:05] | Paladine: | the X2 Toledo and use the saving on more sata drives :) |
| [18:37:21] | fryfrog: | emily_: you need to point it at /dev/v4l/video0 |
| [18:37:22] | Paladine: | mmmmm missus is cooking tuna steak :) |
| [18:37:24] | fryfrog: | right? |
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| [18:38:11] | emily_: | fryfrog: point what? |
| [18:38:23] | fryfrog: | okay, when you setup your first card |
| [18:38:42] | fryfrog: | you choose the "mpeg2" type (should mention something about PVR150,250,350,500 or something) |
| [18:38:56] | fryfrog: | in the spot where it lets you pick the device path, it might have "/dev/video0"? |
| [18:39:26] | emily_: | ahh! you mean Video device:? there's nothing there. That explains it. |
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| [18:40:12] | charlieS: | in this document, what type of remote control are they referring to, with all the "press guide" and "press ->" references? http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/User_Man . . . hing_Live_TV |
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| [18:40:53] | emily_: | fryfrog: I chose mpeg2(pvrx50, pvr500) |
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| [18:41:25] | emily_: | fryfrog: and I tried both /dev/video0 and /dev/v4l/video0 ...errors. How do I check my device name? |
| [18:41:59] | Borromini: | /dev/video0 is a symlink to /dev/v4l/video0 |
| [18:42:02] | charlieS: | er, n/m.. it's explained higher up the page.. /me hides |
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| [18:43:03] | emily_: | there is a video0 video24 and video32... |
| [18:43:12] | mintee: | eh, back to hardware.. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16819103029 <-- decent enought to play 1080i? |
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| [18:43:20] | emily_: | vbi0 and radio0 |
| [18:43:43] | livingtm: | do i need the video4linux kernel module installed to use the plextor convertx? |
| [18:44:01] | charlieS: | mintee: on a TV, or on a computer? Yes, the processor is fast enough.. but if you want to drive an HD monitor, you have many other things to consider. |
| [18:44:09] | Borromini: | emily_ did you try this already: cat /dev/video0 > /tmp/video.mpg? |
| [18:44:13] | Borromini: | do that for a while |
| [18:44:17] | Borromini: | then play the file with mplayer |
| [18:44:19] | emily_: | Borromini: ok.. |
| [18:44:22] | mintee: | charlieS, yes sir. to a HDTV 42" |
| [18:44:40] | mintee: | charlieS, what other things need to be considered. |
| [18:44:53] | emily_: | AHHH! "Permission denied" |
| [18:45:06] | emily_: | that makes sense now why mythtv can't get to it |
| [18:45:19] | charlieS: | mintee: so they key is to get a decent nvidia video card, and hope your TV will cope well. |
| [18:45:35] | Borromini: | emily_ what are the permissions on that file? |
| [18:46:06] | mintee: | charlieS, i have a 6600GT card. i think that's fine.... |
| [18:46:10] | charlieS: | some TVs are trivial, but some older ones are very tricky to get a computer-driven 1920x1080 screen working properly. |
| [18:46:11] | Borromini: | on /dev/video0 |
| [18:46:17] | emily_: | rw-rw---- |
| [18:46:26] | Borromini: | emily_ ownerships |
| [18:46:29] | Borromini: | sry |
| [18:46:29] | emily_: | well rwxrwxrwx on that file |
| [18:46:32] | charlieS: | mintee: me too. and it works with my TV after about 4 hours of modeline tweaking :) |
| [18:46:35] | emily_: | oh, root |
| [18:46:38] | Borromini: | ownerships emily_ |
| [18:46:46] | emily_: | chown emily? |
| [18:46:46] | Borromini: | ... |
| [18:46:49] | Borromini: | ownerships |
| [18:46:52] | Borromini: | just not root |
| [18:46:52] | Borromini: | noo |
| [18:46:56] | Borromini: | is it root:root? |
| [18:46:59] | emily_: | yes |
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| [18:47:03] | Borromini: | k |
| [18:47:09] | emily_: | emote smacks her forehead |
| [18:47:10] | Vlasic4Calder: | hey guys, when i use mythvideo |
| [18:47:12] | Borromini: | that's the full ownership |
| [18:47:13] | Vlasic4Calder: | the volume is soooooo low |
| [18:47:16] | emily_: | so I need to do a chgroup |
| [18:47:21] | Vlasic4Calder: | i have my TV on max and its still hard to hear |
| [18:47:22] | Borromini: | no |
| [18:47:23] | Vlasic4Calder: | anything i can do? |
| [18:47:24] | mintee: | charlieS, i haven't had any problems with output to the tv yet... i haven't started tweaking yet, but my TV has an HDMI and a VGA port in it SONY KDF-E42A10 42" |
| [18:47:25] | Borromini: | because it's a block device or sth |
| [18:47:29] | emily_: | yes but thats full on /dev/video0 |
| [18:47:39] | livingtm: | how can i tell if my kernel supports video4linus/ |
| [18:47:40] | emily_: | rw-rw---- is on /dev/v4l/video0 |
| [18:47:40] | Dagmar: | Vlasic4Calder: You probably want to run alsamixer and make sure PCM volume isn't set crazy low |
| [18:47:41] | Borromini: | emily_ you're familiar with udev? |
| [18:47:49] | emily_: | Borromini: no |
| [18:47:54] | Dagmar: | lol |
| [18:47:55] | Borromini: | k |
| [18:48:03] | emily_: | *sigh* I have to run...thanks for all the help...I'll be back in about an hour... |
| [18:48:05] | Borromini: | emily_ your udev rules are in /etc/udev/rules.d |
| [18:48:07] | Dagmar: | udev has a bit of a high curb at the base of it's learning curve |
| [18:48:43] | Vlasic4Calder: | dagmar: how would i do that? |
| [18:48:55] | Dagmar: | You open a shell and run alsamixer |
| [18:48:56] | mintee: | fryfrog, Paladine, do you think the AMD Athlon 64 3800+ Orleans would work? |
| [18:49:06] | Vlasic4Calder: | as su? whats the command? |
| [18:49:10] | mintee: | charlieS, i currently have an older P4 2.4 and i can't play it |
| [18:49:13] | Borromini: | udev is pretty easy if you follow the docs |
| [18:49:27] | Paladine: | mintee, should be fine |
| [18:49:37] | Paladine: | the new orelans is the replacement for the san diego iirc |
| [18:49:44] | Dagmar: | You've got more than one actual volume slider involved in playing video, which makes things a bit confusing at times. There's the master volume (which is what Myth usually changes) and then there's the PCM/WAV volume slider separate to that. |
| [18:50:00] | Dagmar: | Generally I just set them all to about 80% in a script when the machine boots up |
| [18:50:10] | livingtm: | IM confused- does mythtv require video4linux in order to use a plextor convertx box? |
| [18:50:33] | Vlasic4Calder: | umm :O how do i run it |
| [18:50:41] | Vlasic4Calder: | <- linux newb.. i opened the shell |
| [18:50:59] | Dagmar: | You use your fingers and type "alsamixer" |
| [18:51:13] | mintee: | Paladine, *sigh* this is proving to be a pretty large hassle. heh |
| [18:51:26] | Vlasic4Calder: | PCM is at 84 ;/ raise it? |
| [18:51:29] | Vlasic4Calder: | or raise the master? |
| [18:51:44] | Dagmar: | Is the master volume set really low or something? |
| [18:51:47] | Vlasic4Calder: | 71 |
| [18:51:49] | Dagmar: | 84% should be fine |
| [18:51:59] | mintee: | either way, it's still a 2.4 core, does myth actually use SMP and will use both cores? |
| [18:52:00] | Vlasic4Calder: | mythtv volume is fine |
| [18:52:02] | Vlasic4Calder: | mythvideo is low |
| [18:52:13] | Dagmar: | Okay, so much for that then |
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| [18:52:42] | Borromini: | mintee the kernel automatically detects whether it should use smp or not from 2.6.17 on |
| [18:52:51] | charlieS: | mintee: well the 2.4 P4 is hyperthreaded, which isn't really two cores :) |
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| [18:53:13] | Vlasic4Calder: | so is there a way to raise the volume for mythvideo? if i use the remote the volume up just speeds up the video |
| [18:53:15] | mintee: | charlieS, my p4 is a single core... old ass chip from 2003 |
| [18:53:21] | Borromini: | no but lots of people use SMP on HT P4s |
| [18:53:23] | charlieS: | ohh |
| [18:53:44] | Dagmar: | Umm... Myth will not really benefit from SMP, although it will allow the system to deal with transcoding/commflagging jobs in the background a bit better |
| [18:53:46] | Dagmar: | ...BUT |
| [18:54:08] | Dagmar: | The kernel does not detect a bloody thing automatically, you have to build the kernel with SMP support if you have a multiproc/multicore machine |
| [18:54:21] | Dagmar: | OTehrwise it will merrily use only one core/cpu |
| [18:54:41] | charlieS: | the latest Ubuntu will install a SMP/SMT kernel automagically.. |
| [18:54:49] | Zider: | I believe later kernels has specific SMT-optimisations too |
| [18:54:52] | Borromini: | Dagmar from 2.6.17 on it detects it automatically |
| [18:54:57] | mintee: | fryfrog, damn you. cometh, i have a question to raise you |
| [18:55:00] | Dagmar: | Borromini: Since when |
| [18:55:15] | Borromini: | i already said twice: |
| [18:55:20] | Borromini: | since 2.6.17 |
| [18:55:21] | Dagmar: | Yeah, if you build an SMP kernel it will run on a single core machine without a huge hassle, but it's basically a waste of codespace |
| [18:55:23] | mintee: | lol |
| [18:55:26] | Borromini: | not so difficult is it? |
| [18:55:30] | Borromini: | ... |
| [18:55:31] | czth_: | anyone else using a PVR-500? find it grainy? fixed it? is the PVR-150 or 250 better? |
| [18:55:34] | charlieS: | but yea, for _playing_ that can't be divided between two cores. as Dagmar said.. the system is free to do other things at the same time. |
| [18:55:36] | czth_: | (Hauppauge) |
| [18:55:57] | mintee: | czth_, i heard the 250 is a waste of extra cash and the 150 is fine for the $ |
| [18:56:01] | Dagmar: | Borromini: I never saw anything like what you're talking about in the changelogs |
| [18:56:01] | Vlasic4Calder: | czth_ , my pvr500 is a lil grainy |
| [18:56:09] | Dagmar: | mintee: Pretty much |
| [18:56:13] | Borromini: | i did Dagmar |
| [18:56:13] | Vlasic4Calder: | but pvr500 is just 2 pvr150s i thin |
| [18:56:15] | czth_: | Vlasic4Calder: Samsung chip? |
| [18:56:33] | czth_: | mintee: yeah it looks like i'm gonna go to dual 150s, i'm reading good things about them so far |
| [18:56:35] | Dagmar: | It's 2 PVR150's plus a PCI bridge that makes ASUS A8V boards not work |
| [18:56:38] | Vlasic4Calder: | czth_ idunno, its not exactly grainy... just kinda dull on live tv |
| [18:57:01] | czth_: | euh, mine's so bad on some low channels that it's unwatchable. and it's not the TV out card, either. |
| [18:57:04] | Borromini: | http://fcp.surfsite.org/modules/newbb/viewtop . . . ost_id=95324 < Dagmar |
| [18:57:07] | Dagmar: | So long as you don't have that model ASUS mobo, the PVR-500 works fine with ivtv 0.8.0 even if you have the newer Samsung tuner chips |
| [18:57:10] | charlieS: | weird.. do other people see this too? (I just got a 150, but haven't used it yet) |
| [18:57:11] | Vlasic4Calder: | czth_ ahhh, mine isnt like that |
| [18:57:12] | Borromini: | i'm checking for more officil sources |
| [18:57:17] | fryfrog: | mintee: what was your question? |
| [18:57:28] | czth_: | Vlasic4Calder: would you mind checking if it's the samsung chip or not? |
| [18:57:33] | Vlasic4Calder: | czth_ i dont think mine is samsung tho, how would i check? |
| [18:57:34] | mintee: | uh |
| [18:57:34] | mintee: | uh |
| [18:57:35] | mintee: | uh |
| [18:57:41] | czth_: | dmesg | grep Samsung maybe |
| [18:57:46] | ** charlieS hands mintee a kleenex ** | |
| [18:57:52] | mintee: | fryfrog, your cpu, what is it |
| [18:57:54] | mintee: | thanks charlieS |
| [18:58:17] | Dagmar: | Borromini: Yes, read the _entire_ thread |
| [18:58:20] | mintee: | fryfrog cause your recording and watching HD without a problem right? |
| [18:58:28] | Vlasic4Calder: | czth_ you'd have to give me the exact command to enter to check |
| [18:58:28] | Vlasic4Calder: | :O |
| [18:58:40] | czth_: | well try that – dmesg | grep Samsung – see if it reports anything |
| [18:58:42] | mintee: | btw, anyone in or around south jersey or philly? |
| [18:58:42] | fryfrog: | mintee: My amd64 is a 3000+ from about 1 – 1.5 years ago |
| [18:58:46] | Vlasic4Calder: | nothing happened |
| [18:58:50] | Vlasic4Calder: | as su? |
| [18:59:00] | czth_: | i'm not sure if you need to be, lemme check |
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| [18:59:03] | fryfrog: | I'm pretty sure *any* of the amd64 cpus you can get now will be fine, even if you *do* get one of thsoe 256k cores |
| [18:59:04] | Borromini: | k... I must be wrong then |
| [18:59:04] | Dagmar: | It is *not* 100% reliable to just flip on SMP support and throw a kernel at a UP machine |
| [18:59:08] | charlieS: | Vlasic4Calder: that means the string "Samsung" was not found :) |
| [18:59:14] | mintee: | fryfrog, oc'ed? |
| [18:59:20] | fryfrog: | mintee: not at all |
| [18:59:28] | mintee: | and you can watch 1080i? |
| [18:59:28] | czth_: | try dmesg | grep tuner |
| [18:59:38] | fryfrog: | mintee: I think *I* would go for one of the 3800+ X2 cores, since they are only ~$100 |
| [18:59:41] | Vlasic4Calder: | Philips |
| [18:59:41] | fryfrog: | what were you looking at? |
| [18:59:49] | Vlasic4Calder: | mine is philips |
| [18:59:50] | czth_: | ah. the philips one is supposed to be better. |
| [18:59:51] | mintee: | fryfrog, i'm looking at http://www.ewiz.com/detail.php?p=A64-3800BW&c=pw |
| [18:59:54] | czth_: | thanks. |
| [18:59:58] | Vlasic4Calder: | yup |
| [19:00:07] | alan|mac: | Borromini : i'm sorry, i don't have time to help you today and i'll be gone tomorrow, but if you are here during the weekend, i promiss i'll help you as much as i can |
| [19:00:12] | fryfrog: | mintee: *EVERY* HD show I have watched has been olokay, but I have no clue if they are 720p or 1080i |
| [19:00:16] | Vlasic4Calder: | no problems with my card :) just not as HQ as normal tv but i think every card is like that |
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| [19:00:19] | czth_: | charlieS: nice to directly confirm what it is though, in case for some reason the tuner had scrolled out of dmesg |
| [19:00:28] | czth_: | not mine, it's fer crap :( |
| [19:00:31] | Vlasic4Calder: | now does anyone know how to up the volume in mythvideo? |
| [19:00:43] | mintee: | lol fryfrog, me too, i don't know the difference, but i wanna make sure I can watch it regardless |
| [19:00:58] | czth_: | how long ago did you get your card? did they suddenly switch chips or is it hit and miss? |
| [19:01:04] | alan|mac: | by all |
| [19:01:11] | mintee: | Vlasic4Calder, aumix ? |
| [19:01:25] | fryfrog: | Sir, is that a 3800+ single core for $90? |
| [19:01:45] | Vlasic4Calder: | :O |
| [19:01:49] | Vlasic4Calder: | mythtv volume is fine |
| [19:01:56] | Vlasic4Calder: | mythvideo is too low |
| [19:01:59] | mintee: | uh, i don't think they uh, make those do they? |
| [19:02:11] | fryfrog: | mintee: I am pretty sure they do? |
| [19:02:18] | fryfrog: | if it doesn't say "X2" it is surely single core |
| [19:02:19] | mintee: | why would it be called a 3800 if it's single core fryfrog |
| [19:02:30] | mintee: | oh |
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| [19:02:54] | fryfrog: | are you looking for AM2 or 939 socket? |
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| [19:03:51] | Vlasic4Calder: | :O no one has volume issues with mythvideo? |
| [19:03:59] | Dagmar: | nope |
| [19:04:03] | Vlasic4Calder: | is there a volume thing in mythvideo? |
| [19:04:14] | mintee: | fryfrog, i'm not sure anymore.. heh, i'm looking for something powerful enuf to do what i need yet cheap |
| [19:04:16] | Vlasic4Calder: | volume up speeds up the video |
| [19:04:19] | fryfrog: | Lame, I can't even find a socket 939 3800+ X2 at newegg, are they too old? |
| [19:04:20] | levander_: | I'm looking at buying a motherboard I'll eventually (like 2 years later) convert to a mythtv box. When Hauppage starts doing PCIe, anybody have an idea if they'll do x1 or x4 or what type PCIe card? |
| [19:04:28] | GreyFoxx: | Vlasic4Calder: That depends. Are you using the internal player or spawning an external player like mplayer/xine ? |
| [19:04:37] | Vlasic4Calder: | ummm |
| [19:04:44] | Vlasic4Calder: | whatever knoppmyth installed |
| [19:04:45] | Dagmar: | Vlasic4Calder: WHILE you'er playing something with MythVideo, run alsamixer and see if it's set something insanely low |
| [19:04:45] | Vlasic4Calder: | and set up |
| [19:04:46] | fryfrog: | mintee: Ah, in that case I would suggest anything above "3000+" rating will surely be fine :) |
| [19:04:52] | GreyFoxx: | Vlasic4Calder: Go look |
| [19:05:01] | Dagmar: | Aha! Ask the #Knoppmyth guys what's up with it then |
| [19:05:04] | Vlasic4Calder: | idunno how to look :O |
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| [19:05:17] | fryfrog: | If you can afford it, the "AM2" socket is the *new* platform for AMD cpus, so if you get one of those motherboards you are more likely to have a easier upgrade path in the future |
| [19:05:34] | mintee: | okey doke fryfrog, thanks... |
| [19:05:36] | GreyFoxx: | I've never installed knoppmyth to know what it's defaults are, but like Dagmar says, the #Knoppmyth people would know better |
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| [19:05:38] | fryfrog: | the CPU prices seem to be almost identical for AM2 vs. 939, so that isn't a big deal. The motherboards I think are a smidge more, but not a bid deal |
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| [19:05:51] | fryfrog: | I think the CPU selection on AM2 is also bigger |
| [19:05:53] | mintee: | hum... afford = >$150 a chip |
| [19:06:00] | Dagmar: | My board has a $30 daughtercard that will let it run an AM2 chip |
| [19:06:04] | fryfrog: | yeah, I'd go for a $80–150 chip |
| [19:06:11] | fryfrog: | Dagmar: neat |
| [19:06:18] | Dibblah: | Go AM2! It does Windows under Xen :) |
| [19:06:20] | fryfrog: | lemme look at newegg's am2 |
| [19:06:33] | Borromini: | Dagmar what motherboard you're using then? |
| [19:06:41] | livingtm: | man i dont know where the hell to start wiht my plextor convertx box. the docs im googling are all over the map |
| [19:06:43] | mintee: | really?! windows under zen now? wow |
| [19:06:46] | Dagmar: | Asrock 939dual-sata2. It's upgrade-obsessive |
| [19:06:56] | mintee: | fryfrog http://www.atxcases.com/item.asp?referid=162164&id=2125 |
| [19:07:03] | mishehu: | fryfrog: I almost got an am2, but couldn't justify dropping $1k on a new box. |
| [19:07:05] | livingtm: | do i need to compile drivers or not? do i need video4linux or not? |
| [19:07:22] | Vlasic4Calder: | its still 71 master pcm 84 |
| [19:07:25] | Vlasic4Calder: | while playing a video |
| [19:07:26] | Dagmar: | $172 is too much for that |
| [19:07:27] | mishehu: | fryfrog: I like how they use the heat pipe now instead of the damn chipset fans like they did on the nforce4's |
| [19:07:50] | Dagmar: | Vlasic4Calder: Then turn up your speakers or play the video on some other machine to make sure it's not just quiet |
| [19:07:52] | Dibblah: | I don't. |
| [19:07:56] | Vlasic4Calder: | the TV is on max |
| [19:08:10] | Dagmar: | Otehrwise the problem is likely something in ALSA routing the speakers wrong or something |
| [19:08:13] | Vlasic4Calder: | its not the recording |
| [19:08:16] | Dibblah: | Heat pipes are crutches for manufacturers that can't get 90nm working. |
| [19:08:30] | Dagmar: | So again, #knoppmyth |
| [19:08:44] | Dibblah: | And a sign that you'd better buy shares in an energy company near you. |
| [19:08:46] | Vlasic4Calder: | theres no volume control on mythvideo? |
| [19:09:02] | czth_: | darn those bums at Samsung for making crappy chips |
| [19:09:17] | Dibblah: | Samsung doesn't do chipsets. |
| [19:09:18] | Dagmar: | Weird. I only paid $152 for my 3800+ X2 939 when they had the big price drop |
| [19:09:33] | czth_: | Dibblah: apparently they made my PVR-500 tuner chip. |
| [19:09:40] | Vlasic4Calder: | i bought my pvr500 at amazon czth_, where'd you get yours? |
| [19:09:44] | czth_: | local store |
| [19:09:45] | Dibblah: | Heh. |
| [19:10:04] | czth_: | look at me, wanting to be the good guy and support local business |
| [19:10:33] | Dagmar: | Oh, I see what it is... NewEgg is just totally OUT of 3800's |
| [19:11:25] | Dagmar: | Whoops... looks like demand has exceeded supply a bit. |
| [19:11:28] | czth_: | Vlasic4Calder: how long ago did you get it? |
| [19:11:54] | fryfrog: | Well, maybe I can get a used 3800+ X2 on ebay when the time comes :) |
| [19:12:06] | Vlasic4Calder: | umm |
| [19:12:12] | Vlasic4Calder: | less than a year ago |
| [19:12:20] | Vlasic4Calder: | probably 6 months-ish |
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| [19:13:30] | Vlasic4Calder: | it was the bundle, with the remote |
| [19:14:11] | mintee: | used cpu on ebay scares me |
| [19:14:31] | Dagmar: | I can just imagine getting a CPU packet with cat hair stuck to it |
| [19:14:41] | mintee: | yeah, lol |
| [19:14:51] | Borromini: | :P |
| [19:14:53] | mintee: | or a cpu with bent leads |
| [19:14:59] | Borromini: | if i buy hardware i prefer new stuff |
| [19:15:00] | Dagmar: | Maybe dressed up with Hello Kitty stickers on it |
| [19:15:03] | Borromini: | so i have guarantee... |
| [19:15:09] | Borromini: | i only buy hardware from people i know |
| [19:15:19] | Borromini: | (second-hand hardware i mean) |
| [19:15:35] | Vlasic4Calder: | so u can also have a gurantee |
| [19:15:49] | Borromini: | well at least you know who used it |
| [19:15:53] | Vlasic4Calder: | and where they live |
| [19:15:54] | Borromini: | and how they treated it more or less |
| [19:15:58] | Vlasic4Calder: | ;) |
| [19:15:58] | Borromini: | hehe :P |
| [19:16:00] | Borromini: | yeah |
| [19:16:05] | Borromini: | for my IT hit squad |
| [19:16:26] | Zider: | I remember a pc I fixed once.. with cooling gel on the cpu socket, but none on the top of the cpu :P |
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| [19:16:41] | Borromini: | :P |
| [19:16:50] | Zider: | that wasnot fun to clean up |
| [19:19:02] | Dagmar: | Heh |
| [19:19:11] | Dagmar: | Did you explain to them that thermal paste is not caulk? |
| [19:19:28] | fryfrog: | For the longest time, I didn't know the proper usage of thermal paste |
| [19:19:35] | fryfrog: | i'd just smear the stuff on and push the heatsink down :) |
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| [19:19:47] | fryfrog: | Now I use left over razer blades from my safety razor :) |
| [19:19:47] | Borromini: | i never used thermal paste |
| [19:19:54] | Dagmar: | Well, it's close enough as long as you're not slathering it on like toothpaste |
| [19:19:56] | Borromini: | so how do you use it? :P |
| [19:20:10] | Dagmar: | You smear just enough on the core to make it be opaque |
| [19:20:22] | Borromini: | just like thermal grease then |
| [19:20:25] | fryfrog: | the idea of thermal paste is to fill in *gaps* between the heatsink and cpu |
| [19:20:33] | Borromini: | hrm... now that you say it |
| [19:20:39] | Dagmar: | I usually use a 3x5 index card as a scraper/brush to get it all even and as thinly coated as possible |
| [19:20:40] | Borromini: | i did use thermal paste already :X |
| [19:20:41] | fryfrog: | so a tiny amount, spread with a very flat object (like a razor) about a hairs width thick |
| [19:20:48] | Borromini: | i use a kitchen knife :P |
| [19:21:05] | Dagmar: | I wouldn't feel comfortable with a sharp blade on my CPU core |
| [19:21:17] | fryfrog: | er, the cpu core is metal or ceramic... |
| [19:21:24] | Borromini: | K8's have heatsinks |
| [19:21:34] | fryfrog: | wth is a sharp blade on it going to do, especially with the flat edge on it |
| [19:21:40] | Borromini: | only CPU i took the heatsink off was a K6-II |
| [19:21:48] | Dagmar: | fryfrog: I have knives here that will cut metals, no problem |
| [19:22:06] | fryfrog: | what, with out any pressure? |
| [19:22:06] | mishehu: | I use a soup ladle for thermal grease |
| [19:22:13] | mishehu: | slop it on and smear it all over! |
| [19:22:17] | Zider: | right now I use a stock intel cooler.. :- |
| [19:22:18] | Zider: | :P |
| [19:22:19] | Dagmar: | Plus it's also pretty easy to scrape those teeny tiny diodes right off the package with a metal knife |
| [19:22:20] | mishehu: | it's tastier that way |
| [19:22:26] | fryfrog: | though, i guess if you drop the blade from say a foot or two... right onto that less than 1" square core? |
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| [19:22:46] | Paladine: | I actually have a motherboard in the loft with a cpu that doesn't need a heatsink :) |
| [19:22:49] | Paladine: | those were the days |
| [19:23:13] | Zider: | I have two computers that don't need heatsinks |
| [19:23:17] | fryfrog: | well, honestly i've never come close to scraping anything off a cpu. and sometimes, i use the closest flat thing near by which might end up being a pci slot cover, a cdrom bay blocker thing or what ever :) |
| [19:23:18] | Zider: | and I use them from time to time |
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| [19:24:06] | Zider: | lasttime was yesterday actually |
| [19:24:22] | Paladine: | I would never scrape old paste off a cpu, thats what alcohol is for |
| [19:24:44] | Zider: | alcohol is for drinking! |
| [19:24:45] | Paladine: | alcohol and a qtip |
| [19:24:46] | fryfrog: | who said anything about scraping it *off*? |
| [19:24:56] | fryfrog: | this is what i use to *apply* the stuff in a thin layer :) |
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| [19:25:08] | fryfrog: | i usually use nail polish remove cause its what is always around :) |
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| [19:25:12] | Zider: | fryfrog: you scrap off the excess, don't you? ;) |
| [19:25:21] | Paladine: | I just put a small blob in the middle of the cpu |
| [19:25:27] | Paladine: | it spreads itself when you put the hs on |
| [19:25:38] | fryfrog: | i wouldn't call it scraping :) |
| [19:25:48] | Zider: | Paladine: usually not very well tho |
| [19:25:54] | fryfrog: | and i don't *have* excess, only what sticks to what ever i'm spreading with |
| [19:26:25] | Zider: | I usually just smear it out with my pinkey.. |
| [19:26:29] | Borromini: | Dagmar i got a question about your qt buildscript you showed me some days ago |
| [19:26:38] | fryfrog: | i use the cat :) |
| [19:26:40] | Borromini: | does it install just into / or into a packaging root? |
| [19:26:45] | Dagmar: | Paladine: Use a small piece of cardboard or somethign to spread it. Doing it like that you can wind up with parts of it not covered, or excess squirting out |
| [19:26:52] | fryfrog: | MMMEEEEEOOOOWWWWWRRRRRRR |
| [19:26:53] | Dagmar: | Borromini: Okay |
| [19:26:56] | Paladine: | Zider, and where do you propose it goes then? I have built hundreds of machines and used the method on them all, the only place it can go is across the entire surface |
| [19:27:10] | fryfrog: | Paladine: it won't |
| [19:27:14] | Dagmar: | Yeah, but it might *not* do the *entire* surface |
| [19:27:22] | Paladine: | everytime I have replaced a hs I previously fitted the thermal paste has been evenly distributed |
| [19:27:27] | fryfrog: | Paladine: it'll form a clump in the middle, leaving the edges not actually touching the heat sink |
| [19:27:33] | fryfrog: | well |
| [19:27:36] | Dagmar: | ...plus you want it even, with no bulky mass in the middle |
| [19:27:36] | Zider: | Paladine: the core is square.. and the paste is smeared out round.. do the figure.. ;) |
| [19:27:36] | Paladine: | it can't form a clump lol |
| [19:27:38] | fryfrog: | maybe on the small slug cores |
| [19:27:46] | Paladine: | there is like a micron of space between the cpu and the hs |
| [19:27:57] | Borromini: | Dagmar does it install just into / or into a packaging root? |
| [19:27:59] | fryfrog: | and if you use *enough* paste for it to spread all over, then you are using more paste than you should :) |
| [19:28:16] | Dagmar: | Borromini: Everything gets stuffed into PKG_STAGEROOT |
| [19:28:23] | Borromini: | k |
| [19:28:27] | Borromini: | so a building root |
| [19:28:44] | Paladine: | fryfrog, unless you are able to spread the paste an impossible thickness manually you will -always- use too much paste |
| [19:28:48] | Paladine: | it is physically impossible not to |
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| [19:29:00] | Paladine: | human being are not accurate enough to get the correct amount needed |
| [19:29:17] | fryfrog: | the thinner you get it, the better the heat transfer :) |
| [19:29:25] | ** mintee hands Paladine an 's' ** | |
| [19:29:28] | fryfrog: | but as long as you aren't running real hot and/or crashing, it doesn't matter much |
| [19:29:33] | Paladine: | you still can't get it anything like thin enough manually |
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| [19:29:46] | Paladine: | it is not humanly possibly |
| [19:29:56] | Dagmar: | Borromini: Yep. I do *not* like things that taint the working filesystem as they build. That's not sane |
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| [19:30:05] | Borromini: | i agree |
| [19:30:07] | xris: | woot. I think I have both firewire boxes hooked up and running now. |
| [19:30:20] | xris: | guess I have to wait to get home to find out, though |
| [19:30:51] | Borromini: | i'm out people |
| [19:30:53] | Borromini: | ttyl |
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| [19:31:02] | fryfrog: | xris: what kind of boxes? |
| [19:31:05] | Paladine: | I have literally never in my life had a cpu fail |
| [19:31:11] | fryfrog: | xris: I have a pairo of DCT6412's going nicely :) |
| [19:31:12] | Paladine: | and I have literally built hundreds of machines |
| [19:31:23] | fryfrog: | Paladine: Well, then I guess your method works :) |
| [19:31:36] | fryfrog: | Paladine: I don't think I've ever had a CPU failure either, seems to be pretty rare |
| [19:31:37] | xris: | fryfrog: 6200' |
| [19:31:43] | fryfrog: | especially now that they shut themselves down |
| [19:31:57] | fryfrog: | xris: did you daisy chain them? or is each hooked to the computer on its own? |
| [19:32:01] | xris: | daisy |
| [19:32:11] | Paladine: | fry, it isn't that rare, I have a machine behind me with a blown cpu |
| [19:32:12] | fryfrog: | xris: using p2p or broadcast? |
| [19:32:14] | xris: | comcast guy plugged in the new one (I'm not home to check) |
| [19:32:17] | Paladine: | even has burn marks on it |
| [19:32:24] | xris: | I just see a second device in plugreport now |
| [19:32:37] | xris: | why do you have the dvr models? |
| [19:32:53] | fryfrog: | stupid comcast |
| [19:33:14] | mintee: | stupid sexy flanders |
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| [19:33:22] | mintee: | </simpsons> |
| [19:33:53] | xris: | fryfrog: oh? they force you to pay for the dvr instead of giving you the 6200? |
| [19:34:00] | xris: | afk |
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| [19:35:12] | fryfrog: | xris: actually, its funny :) |
| [19:35:40] | fryfrog: | xris: I *had* a single 6412, but I had a heck of a time getting it working with myth. So I called them and said "take thie shitty DVR back, give me a pair of HD stb tuners |
| [19:35:56] | fryfrog: | xris: guy comes out, takes my dvr... goes to his van and... walks in with two more hd dvrs... |
| [19:36:20] | fryfrog: | xris: aparantly, they were out of the HD tuners, in *theory* i am not getting charged for DVRs (and i'm not using them as dvrs either) |
| [19:36:43] | mirak: | hi |
| [19:36:46] | fryfrog: | xris: turns out my firewire issue was trying to use p2p, it sucks. switching to broadcast gave me a 98% better result |
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| [19:41:51] | jduggan: | hi guys, mythtv has found a channel '69' which is the output from my satelite box, how can i move it to channel '1' in mythtv? |
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| [19:48:06] | mintee: | ironic, i got an email from ebay today with the subject line, "Record in HD with TiVo Series3" |
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| [19:59:53] | emily_: | ok...i'm back. Sorry about that. the last thing I remember was somthing about udev... |
| [20:03:37] | emily_: | apparently my permission are wrong on /dev/v4l/video0. Anyone? |
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| [20:05:28] | emily_: | anyone? |
| [20:06:01] | stuarta: | what group is the device? |
| [20:06:45] | stuarta: | ie. ls -l /dev/v4l/video0 |
| [20:08:13] | emily_: | root:root |
| [20:08:40] | emily_: | rw-rw---- |
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| [20:08:57] | stuarta: | so only root can open it. |
| [20:09:01] | emily_: | right |
| [20:09:30] | stuarta: | easy way is chmod 666 it. |
| [20:09:36] | nero: | question: which hardware would be better for a mythtv setup? P4 2.4ghz + 1 gig of RAM, or Athlon XP 2600+ + 1 gig of ram?? |
| [20:09:42] | stuarta: | gives everyone access... |
| [20:10:02] | nero: | I am currently running on the P4 2.4ghz.. trying to do some filtering in Xine, and get choppyness.. |
| [20:10:34] | nero: | but wondering if the 2600+ might be a little faster? |
| [20:10:35] | emily_: | that's what I thought...someone mentioned udev though *shrug* ok..I'll chmod it |
| [20:10:55] | stuarta: | if it's udev controlled then you may need to tweak that.. |
| [20:11:45] | emily_: | It's working now...thanks! |
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| [20:20:10] | livingtm: | anyone have a plextor convertex box running with kernel 2.6.17+? seems like there is some trouble compiling the driver |
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| [20:34:28] | Zider: | my video-playing-problems are back :( |
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| [20:41:49] | stuarta: | Zider: which ones are those... |
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| [20:44:41] | Zider: | stuarta: xine spits out errors or just simply lag like hell when playing files over network |
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| [20:46:11] | mishehu: | Zider: how are the files stored over the network? |
| [20:46:16] | mishehu: | stored/shared |
| [20:46:47] | Zider: | mishehu: right now I' using nfs, because I thought it was samba that was messed up |
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| [20:47:30] | AdamDH: | Hey, I have mythtv 0.20 running on ubuntu. When using the menus on mythfrontend its ver sluggish takes a couple of seconds to move between options. Any ideas why? The box is a 3 gig machine with 2 gig mem so I doubt its the spec of the box. I am using Edgy and installed from source. |
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| [20:50:07] | AdamDH: | back in a mo |
| [20:50:16] | mishehu: | Zider: sounds like something on your system. I've used xine to play files on samba for ages without stuttering. |
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| [20:50:32] | Zider: | mishehu: it used to work fine here too.. |
| [20:50:53] | mishehu: | Zider: wired or wireless net? |
| [20:50:59] | Zider: | mishehu: wired |
| [20:51:34] | mishehu: | Zider: did you have any socket options set in smb.conf? |
| [20:51:35] | emily_: | ok, this has to be an easy question...I can't connect to the backend server from mythfrontend. Everything looks ok. I even tried my mysql root username and password, but it still won't connect. Anyone? |
| [20:51:58] | Zider: | mishehu: nothing that changed from when it was working |
| [20:52:23] | Zider: | mishehu: and I get the same problems with NFS now |
| [20:52:27] | mishehu: | emily_: the backend connects to the database, but being able to connect to the database does not guarantee being able to connect to the backend from the frontend |
| [20:52:29] | Zider: | mishehu: and I can copy files at 12MB/sec |
| [20:52:32] | mishehu: | it's 3 layers there actually |
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| [20:53:00] | emily_: | ahhh...maybe I should restart the backend then. Backend has to be run as root, right? |
| [20:53:03] | emily_: | frontend as user? |
| [20:53:19] | mishehu: | Zider: well, it might be the buffering. you can try setting socket options = TCP_NODELAY SO_RCVBUF=16384 SO_SNDBUF=16384 in smb.conf |
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| [20:53:32] | mishehu: | emily_: nope, no requirement that the backend be run as root. |
| [20:53:47] | mishehu: | at least none that I know of, and I don't use it as root. |
| [20:53:50] | Zider: | mishehu: it's already at 8192.. and that used to work :P |
| [20:53:55] | emily_: | mishehu: alright I'll stop it and restart it as user |
| [20:54:02] | mishehu: | Zider: with TCP_NODELAY? |
| [20:54:42] | Zider: | mishehu: TCP_NODELAY SO_RCVBUF=8192 SO_SNDBUF=8192 |
| [20:54:48] | mishehu: | emily_: all I had to do was make sure that the user I was launching mythbackend with had perms on the audio and video devices on my system, and file perms to the repository |
| [20:55:18] | mishehu: | Zider: I don't know man, something else must have changed on your systems then. |
| [20:55:20] | ** mishehu shrugs ** | |
| [20:55:27] | Zider: | mishehu: yeah, but what.. :/ |
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| [20:55:42] | Zider: | ah well, I'll play around some more :P |
| [20:55:44] | Zider: | *gone* |
| [20:55:46] | mishehu: | Zider: 10/100 network? or 10/100/1000 ? |
| [20:55:53] | emily_: | mishehu: won't let me start backend as anything but root, but thats fine, just so long as I can find a way to connect to it. |
| [20:55:54] | Zider: | mishehu: 10/100 |
| [20:56:01] | emily_: | any ideas why it might not connect? |
| [20:56:38] | mishehu: | emily_: are you having the backend log to a file? that might provide you with a clue. |
| [20:57:07] | emily_: | no, havn't..let me see... |
| [20:57:19] | mishehu: | it's a good place to start at least |
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| [20:59:10] | emily_: | um...so how do I make the backend log to a file? |
| [20:59:34] | mishehu: | not on my myth box at the m oment, mythbackend --help should tell you |
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| [21:01:37] | emily_: | nope..doesn't say. |
| [21:02:00] | mintee: | yeah it does |
| [21:02:06] | emily_: | it is timing out connecting to the backen server 127.0.0.1:6453...that is the right port, right? |
| [21:02:37] | mintee: | mythbackend -V all -l /path/to/logfile no? |
| [21:02:42] | emily_: | gah! Be right back |
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| [21:33:55] | Zider: | mishehu: hm, mplayer plays without any problems.. it's xine that stutters.. :P |
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| [21:42:52] | stuarta: | bugger... the ubuntu myth guide is currently missing... |
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| [21:46:56] | emily_: | *sigh* back |
| [21:47:09] | emily_: | when starting mythbackend: |
| [21:47:12] | emily_: | Session management error: Authentication Rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed |
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| [21:48:34] | emily_: | any ideas? |
| [21:50:53] | emily_: | what the? It's working now anyway |
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| [22:00:23] | emily_: | anyone have a problem where volume changing doesn't work? I can see it change on the on screen display but it isn't making any difference in output |
| [22:02:46] | kormoc: | emily_, make sure the output mixer is set right in your fronend settings |
| [22:03:56] | emily_: | kormoc: where is that located? |
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| [22:04:26] | emily_: | mythtv-setup? |
| [22:05:15] | kormoc: | nah |
| [22:05:24] | kormoc: | under settings inside of mythtv-frontend |
| [22:05:28] | kormoc: | playback settings iirc |
| [22:08:47] | emily_: | ...i'm just not seeing it..hmm... |
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| [22:13:37] | emily_: | kormoc: I'm not finding it at all.... |
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| [22:14:48] | dougl: | hello? |
| [22:14:51] | dougl: | am I here? |
| [22:14:56] | kormoc: | dougl, nope |
| [22:15:22] | ** stuarta swears at lirc ** | |
| [22:15:49] | emily_: | found it...it's in general settings, not under playback settings |
| [22:15:50] | dougl: | thanks... serious internet issues here but worse on irc networks. |
| [22:18:34] | emily_: | kormoc: how do I know what device to pick. It only has two, and niether of them work |
| [22:19:10] | kormoc: | emily_, it all depends on your setup, I can't really guess without knowing more |
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| [22:20:49] | fuffalo: | is the irblaster that plugs into the remote receiver that both come with a pvr-150 usable with mythtv? or do i need to buy a seperate irblaster (serial)? |
| [22:21:40] | emily_: | kormoc: erm, how can I check what I'm using? |
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| [22:24:50] | emily_: | gah. I got it |
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| [22:27:16] | fryfrog: | does anyone use mupen64 for n64 emu? |
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| [22:39:42] | janneg: | stuarta: please remind me, why is dvb not enabled by default? |
| [22:39:55] | Juski: | Hi honey I'm home! |
| [22:39:56] | janneg: | evening Juski |
| [22:39:58] | Juski: | http://www.mythtvtalk.com/forum/album_cat.php?cat_id=7 |
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| [22:40:09] | stuarta: | evening Juski. |
| [22:40:15] | Juski: | anybody heard from gbee yet? |
| [22:40:25] | stuarta: | nope. |
| [22:40:37] | Juski: | evening stuarta. I've almost literally just got back |
| [22:40:37] | ** stuarta suspects we broke gbee ** | |
| [22:40:57] | Juski: | I hope he's ok |
| [22:40:57] | GreyFoxx: | http://www.mythtvtalk.com/forum/album_page.php?pic_id=52 Who is who on that pick? |
| [22:41:31] | Juski: | Ludovic (Coume) on the left & Kelerion on the right |
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| [22:42:01] | GreyFoxx: | llooks like tightquarters in there :) |
| [22:42:05] | ** stuarta wonders why he can't see the pick... ** | |
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| [22:42:10] | laga: | re |
| [22:42:20] | Juski: | good timing mr laga :) |
| [22:42:23] | laga: | Juski: heh |
| [22:42:27] | Juski: | http://www.mythtvtalk.com/forum/album_page.php?pic_id=52 |
| [22:42:39] | laga: | Juski: i joined because i saw greyfoxx typing in the wrong channel ;) |
| [22:42:49] | GreyFoxx: | like I do quite often :) |
| [22:42:53] | Juski: | I'll pester everyone else for their pics tomorrow |
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| [22:43:09] | ** nero waves... ** | |
| [22:43:10] | ** Juski feels like death, still ** | |
| [22:43:12] | laga: | Juski: ludo and kelerion? |
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| [22:43:19] | Juski: | laga: yups |
| [22:43:19] | emily_: | this is probably a stupid question, but can use use a microsoft windows media remote with lirc/mythtv? |
| [22:43:23] | nero: | Was there a little Myth getogether? |
| [22:43:43] | stuarta: | nero: Linux World expo in London |
| [22:43:43] | Juski: | nero: a bit more than that |
| [22:44:06] | nero: | ahhh yes.. just a tad bit more.. ;) |
| [22:44:14] | ** nero just got back from Taiwan.. ** | |
| [22:44:25] | GreyFoxx: | Juski: Is that your video playingin pic 51 ? |
| [22:44:30] | Juski: | yup |
| [22:44:40] | Juski: | when I didn't break it |
| [22:44:43] | GreyFoxx: | hehe |
| [22:44:45] | stuarta: | did we get a photo of all of us? |
| [22:44:50] | Juski: | dunno |
| [22:44:51] | GreyFoxx: | looks different than the one I saw before :) |
| [22:44:54] | Juski: | it was planned |
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| [22:45:06] | laga: | Juski: looks like *a lot* of people. awesome :) |
| [22:45:11] | ** laga beers juski ** | |
| [22:45:26] | stuarta: | loads and loads of people... |
| [22:45:37] | Juski: | I made some notes on the train journey back home & I'll mail em round for the other guys to add comments to |
| [22:46:01] | GreyFoxx: | Juski: I'm hoping to get that screen config wizard started this weekend |
| [22:46:05] | Juski: | laga: omfg not more beer! oh man I was still slurring at 8am this morning |
| [22:46:14] | ** stuarta is fighting with lirc... ** | |
| [22:46:22] | laga: | Juski: heh :) |
| [22:46:43] | ** Juski hands stuarta the lirc screwdriver. it's a little bit heavy & looks more like a hammer ** | |
| [22:46:45] | stuarta: | i could still taste jack daniels this morning... |
| [22:47:05] | GreyFoxx: | Maybe next year I'll fly over. I've never been to one of those heh |
| [22:47:21] | stuarta: | so far irw manages to feed x a stream of crap keypresses... |
| [22:47:31] | GreyFoxx: | I've done manytradeshows at my last job (cable industry) so I'm use to it :) |
| [22:47:38] | ** laga curses qemu and the whole lat ** | |
| [22:47:46] | laga: | GreyFoxx: to the binge drinking? |
| [22:47:59] | Juski: | I was kidnapped by the guys from Bytemark hosting last night & ended up wandering around the street my hotel was on til godknows what time this morning, looking for the hotel... |
| [22:48:22] | GreyFoxx: | laga: To the tradeshow atmosphere and being manning a booth heh |
| [22:48:24] | stuarta: | hehe... |
| [22:48:29] | Juski: | more beers? they said... already well drunk, thought yeah why not.. |
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| [22:49:52] | Juski: | sufficient to say, loads of people we met _love_ mythtv :) |
| [22:50:06] | GreyFoxx: | That's always good hehe |
| [22:50:20] | Juski: | people who knew it, people who didn't... it was 95% positive stuff |
| [22:50:31] | stuarta: | believe the quote "shits all over media center..." sums it up |
| [22:50:38] | GreyFoxx: | heheh |
| [22:50:53] | laga: | glad it went well. good job :) |
| [22:51:06] | fuffalo: | is the irblaster that plugs into the remote receiver that both come with a pvr-150 usable with mythtv? or do i need to buy a seperate irblaster (serial)? |
| [22:51:26] | GreyFoxx: | Juski: They shocked it was free or that noone was mass producing them and selling them over the counter ? |
| [22:51:31] | laga: | Juski: can't hurt if they started doing so |
| [22:51:37] | stuarta: | GreyFoxx: both |
| [22:51:41] | Juski: | GreyFoxx: bits of both and a lot more besides |
| [22:51:48] | GreyFoxx: | Might motivate some of them to try :) |
| [22:52:05] | GreyFoxx: | Especially if they standardize hardware and have a good listings source |
| [22:52:07] | Juski: | might well do. we talked to some big players there |
| [22:52:13] | GreyFoxx: | cool :) |
| [22:52:40] | stuarta: | had guys from Orange asking me if we could stream to a mobile phone :) |
| [22:52:49] | GreyFoxx: | heh |
| [22:53:02] | Juski: | when we've got the post-mortem done it'll make for interesting reading I expect |
| [22:53:24] | Juski: | oh... and 2 words for you.. no make that three.. another mythtv book :) |
| [22:53:25] | GreyFoxx: | Did you burn many copies for people ?:) |
| [22:53:30] | GreyFoxx: | hehe |
| [22:53:35] | Juski: | GreyFoxx: we ran out yesterday |
| [22:53:42] | stuarta: | after 3 hours |
| [22:53:43] | laga: | Juski: is someone gonna make one? i think that was also word on linuxtag |
| [22:53:44] | GreyFoxx: | nodoubt :) |
| [22:53:52] | Juski: | laga: a UK publisher |
| [22:53:59] | laga: | Juski: nice! |
| [22:54:09] | ** laga still has to read jarod's ** | |
| [22:54:11] | Juski: | gonna get in touch with them to find out more about it, as is cesman |
| [22:54:32] | laga: | Juski: just write it for them. |
| [22:54:39] | Juski: | skimmed thru a Linux mag article that was going around.. some of the stuff in there was just plain made up |
| [22:55:00] | Juski: | "surf the net while watching TV".. absolute crock of shit |
| [22:55:16] | laga: | heh |
| [22:55:19] | scopeuk: | well you can but not on one myth box |
| [22:55:20] | GreyFoxx: | Sure, if it's just a window on your desktop ;) |
| [22:55:40] | laga: | "surf the net while watching TV after you bought a second TV and got X to do dual head" |
| [22:55:48] | ** scopeuk notes that while at home he can have 3 dvd palyers on one screen at once with some "creative" wiring ** | |
| [22:55:50] | Juski: | the screenshot the text was associated with showed a single screen |
| [22:55:57] | GreyFoxx: | I run mythfrontend on my work desktop as a window while I do other stuff heh |
| [22:56:01] | GreyFoxx: | ahh |
| [22:56:07] | Juski: | and for a 2006 article I wouldn't have used screenshots from 2004 |
| [22:56:12] | Juski: | but hey... |
| [22:56:24] | scopeuk: | Juski your an obsesive perfectionist though |
| [22:56:25] | mcquaid: | whats the proper way to shutdown the backend? I want to run the setup again |
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| [22:56:40] | mcquaid: | Everything seems to be working except all channels show unknown |
| [22:56:41] | GreyFoxx: | mcquaid: just kill the pid |
| [22:56:46] | mcquaid: | ok |
| [22:56:48] | Juski: | scopeuk: I think it's better to not say anything or "don't know" than just bullshit |
| [22:56:59] | scopeuk: | yep |
| [22:57:06] | mcquaid: | now I read that myth respects something regarding appropriate times to grab from zap2it |
| [22:57:09] | scopeuk: | (un)furtunately the whole world isent you |
| [22:57:23] | mcquaid: | could this be why I don't have channels listed? |
| [22:57:33] | Juski: | mcquaid: could be |
| [22:57:48] | GreyFoxx: | Have you run mythfilldatabase manually at least once to get the initial data populated ? |
| [22:57:52] | ** Juski isn't a zap2it user, so erm... dunno ;) ** | |
| [22:58:01] | mcquaid: | cause it looked like it grabbed the channels fine during the setup |
| [22:58:10] | mcquaid: | no never ran mythfilldatabase |
| [22:58:32] | GreyFoxx: | run it once manually. |
| [22:58:44] | mcquaid: | kill the backend first? |
| [22:58:48] | GreyFoxx: | No need to |
| [22:58:53] | mcquaid: | k |
| [23:00:10] | minthome is now known as stickyfingers | |
| [23:00:24] | Juski: | oo btw stuarta someone from a Uni is starting work on a broadcast quality monitoring system for Freeview – met em when you were out at lunch today. they'll be here asking questions before too long |
| [23:00:49] | stuarta: | interesting... |
| [23:01:02] | mcquaid: | thx GreyFoxx that should do it, I see it grabbing for each day now |
| [23:01:35] | mcquaid: | ok next thing is my ati remote, I see mythtv guides saying to use lirc for ati, but recent kernels have a module for this remote |
| [23:01:47] | mcquaid: | so is there an easy way to setup the keys and skip the lirc part |
| [23:01:58] | ** stuarta listens intently ** | |
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| [23:02:21] | Juski: | stuarta: very interesting I think. I wont post the details in here incase I pee on anyone's bonfire |
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| [23:03:35] | GreyFoxx: | Juski: What sortof stuff will it monitor? |
| [23:04:00] | Juski: | GreyFoxx: the actual signal quality |
| [23:04:11] | GreyFoxx: | ahh ok |
| [23:04:15] | janneg: | just the physical parameters? |
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| [23:05:21] | Juski: | physical stuff and the streams themselves too |
| [23:05:37] | janneg: | nothing like bitrate, average length of eit descriptions, days coverage by eit, ... |
| [23:06:39] | Juski: | they weren't mentioned, but I got the impression they want to capture data on everything |
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| [23:07:01] | janneg: | ok, that's indeed interesting |
| [23:08:39] | GreyFoxx: | Juski: Do you have that same demovideo up for download anywhere ? |
| [23:08:46] | Juski: | GreyFoxx: yup |
| [23:09:17] | Juski: | http://www.mythtvtalk.com/ProjectGrayhem/vide . . . h_foobar.mpg |
| [23:09:35] | Juski: | look in the /video dir, basically ;) |
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| [23:09:51] | Juski: | filename starts with LW |
| [23:10:39] | Juski: | oh yeah so much for the idea about dumping stuff onto folks' USB sticks.. nobody who wanted the stuff were carrying |
| [23:10:40] | GreyFoxx: | Cool snagging it now :) |
| [23:10:53] | GreyFoxx: | Wow,I'm suprised |
| [23:11:16] | Juski: | a lesson learnt, as was the one about us needing flyers with essential URLs listed on em |
| [23:11:20] | GreyFoxx: | Heh I always have one in my pocket, and one on my keychain :) |
| [23:13:06] | laga: | Juski: what were ya gonna put their usb sticks? mythtv-0.20.tar.bz2? |
| [23:13:27] | Juski: | laga: yeh & the knoppmyth iso |
| [23:13:31] | Juski: | if they wanted it |
| [23:13:38] | laga: | nice. a bit big, though |
| [23:13:44] | Juski: | I honestly think just giving folks the URL is a better idea |
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| [23:14:16] | laga: | Juski: and less painful |
| [23:14:20] | riddlebox: | hello, I am installing mythtv in ubuntu and I get this error, when I installed ubuntu I chose mythtv as my usersname; The user `mythtv' already exists, and is not a system user. |
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| [23:15:02] | Juski: | riddlebox: the mythtv user exists & isn't blessed with sudo privileges |
| [23:15:28] | Juski: | find out how to get that user into the sudo group IIRC |
| [23:15:38] | laga: | no |
| [23:15:52] | Juski: | no? whoops! |
| [23:16:05] | laga: | the mythtv packages want to create a "mythtv" user. stuff will fail if it already exists, which is the case here |
| [23:16:39] | riddlebox: | see the problem I have with that is that if they create a user ‎I cannot set ubuntu to auto login to the mythtv user |
| [23:16:54] | laga: | i don't remember how i fixed that. i think i set the UId of my mythtv user to 134 (something < 1000) and chowned the home directory.. |
| [23:17:37] | laga: | riddlebox: you can, if you configure it correctly ;). anyways, just create another user for the frontend, that should be least painful |
| [23:18:00] | Juski: | I've fixed it by deleting the mythtv user in the past |
| [23:18:12] | Juski: | but that's not always ideal |
| [23:18:18] | mcquaid: | ok I have all the guide info now, but when watching tv fullscreen and pressing uparrow, I see the show's description, but where I would expect the channel name or number (I selected sort by numbers in the setup). it just shows adding cha |
| [23:18:21] | riddlebox: | Juski, I have done that as well |
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| [23:18:59] | Kelerion: | evening all :) |
| [23:19:00] | Juski: | riddlebox: it's a bit of a case of a little bit too much knowhow screwing up a process that's designed to do it all for ya |
| [23:19:04] | Juski: | evening Kelerion |
| [23:19:08] | ** Kelerion waves ** | |
| [23:19:16] | ** Juski beers Kelerion ** | |
| [23:19:22] | stuarta: | evening... |
| [23:19:30] | Kelerion: | way ahead of you... got a beer here now.. lol |
| [23:19:47] | Kelerion: | ya didn't think I wouldn't have though.. lol |
| [23:19:48] | riddlebox: | Juski, I guess I will create another user and do it that way |
| [23:19:49] | riddlebox: | thanks |
| [23:19:50] | ** stuarta contemplates Jack... ** | |
| [23:19:54] | Juski: | call me a wuss if you want but I've seen enough beer for a while |
| [23:20:04] | ** Kelerion grins ** | |
| [23:20:09] | Juski: | maybe a day or so... |
| [23:20:14] | Kelerion: | lol |
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| [23:20:23] | Juski: | Kelerion: photos are up.. all four of em |
| [23:20:33] | Kelerion: | I took one!! lol |
| [23:20:40] | Kelerion: | ludo took a couple too |
| [23:20:42] | Juski: | I dunno if we ever did that group photo though |
| [23:20:43] | scopeuk: | Juski you drunkard ;-) some of us havent seen beer inover a week and have no specific desire for it |
| [23:20:52] | stuarta: | i didn't bring a camera... |
| [23:20:54] | Kelerion: | nah..we didnt...realised half way back |
| [23:20:57] | scopeuk: | wodner ifi shoudl go t total |
| [23:20:58] | laga: | scopeuk: really? please name one of them. |
| [23:21:02] | scopeuk: | me |
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| [23:21:06] | Juski: | scopeuk: you _do_ know it's rude to refuse beer someone's bought you... |
| [23:21:09] | laga: | scopeuk: bah. ;) |
| [23:21:09] | Juski: | ;-) |
| [23:21:32] | scopeuk: | Juski its in the fridge and some how despite bacon cheese and everythign else going its still there |
| [23:21:41] | scopeuk: | this is a student flat with 3 heavy drinkers |
| [23:21:50] | scopeuk: | then again it is steller |
| [23:22:34] | ** Juski needs sleep. showing cesman some sights in Manchester tomorrow ** | |
| [23:23:04] | scopeuk: | cheer him up a bit |
| [23:23:13] | Kelerion: | cecil? |
| [23:23:20] | scopeuk: | some bitch dident say thankyou when he held the door today (with all his bags) and hes a bit upset |
| [23:23:27] | scopeuk: | Kelerion yes |
| [23:23:28] | Juski: | get the feeling he's not a big fan of the UK |
| [23:23:36] | ** Kelerion chuckles ** | |
| [23:23:41] | scopeuk: | apparently the place is lovely but the people have upset him |
| [23:23:45] | Kelerion: | anyone heard from the other stuart yet? |
| [23:23:47] | Juski: | I'm steadily going off London I have to admit |
| [23:23:56] | stuarta: | Kelerion: nope. |
| [23:24:01] | scopeuk: | i've never been a big fan far to big |
| [23:24:01] | Kelerion: | hmph |
| [23:24:10] | ** Kelerion *loves* london! ** | |
| [23:24:21] | scopeuk: | ill point out now i hate cloths shops |
| [23:24:43] | Kelerion: | they have more than just clothes shops... am sure :) |
| [23:24:49] | scopeuk: | yeh |
| [23:24:56] | scopeuk: | one in 5000k is soemthign else |
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| [23:25:01] | Juski: | then again the only times I've ever had to get the tube at peak times, Ive had a hangover, so er... |
| [23:25:11] | scopeuk: | and i can afford sandwitches from soem little back street stall beyond that nothing |
| [23:25:23] | Juski: | maybe if I try it without always being in recovery mode I'll feel different |
| [23:25:24] | scopeuk: | Juski tube sucks ass at the best oftimes |
| [23:26:08] | nordle: | hello, I think its possible that xmltv is not populating tables, but to check I need to know which ones to look at. Is program one? Is that the only one? |
| [23:26:19] | Kelerion: | ahhh crap!!!!! |
| [23:26:25] | Juski: | crap? |
| [23:26:27] | Kelerion: | "We have some exciting news about the ticket that you bought for the Wednesday 25 October draw. Please Sign In to your Account " |
| [23:26:33] | Kelerion: | email from lottery |
| [23:26:37] | nordle: | £10 |
| [23:26:41] | stuarta: | spam |
| [23:26:55] | Kelerion: | logged in...2 quid for Dream Number |
| [23:27:15] | Kelerion: | was getting all excited then! lol |
| [23:27:15] | nordle: | Thats nearly a pint! so not all bad :) |
| [23:27:51] | Kelerion: | I put 8 quid on it.. lol |
| [23:27:53] | scopeuk: | nordle youve obviously never been to a student bar |
| [23:28:13] | scopeuk: | union on a friday night carlsberg is 1:65 a pint |
| [23:28:23] | scopeuk: | walkabout o na monday £1 |
| [23:28:39] | ** scopeuk realises this probably appears to contradict his earlier point ** | |
| [23:28:59] | nordle: | scopeuk: I was at uni in 2000, so its been a while, still paying off the bear debt! |
| [23:29:19] | Juski: | so.. when we all getting together to get MythTV PLC started hmm? ;) |
| [23:29:23] | scopeuk: | you new or old system nordle? |
| [23:29:39] | GreyFoxx: | PLC ? |
| [23:29:48] | nordle: | scopeuk: new or old? myth? 0.20 |
| [23:29:48] | scopeuk: | Juski when we feel liek being sued into the ground |
| [23:29:51] | Juski: | limited company |
| [23:29:55] | scopeuk: | nordle university funding |
| [23:29:56] | laga: | scopeuk: you been to the linuxworld expo? |
| [23:30:03] | GreyFoxx: | ahh heh |
| [23:30:05] | scopeuk: | laga no such luck |
| [23:30:09] | laga: | sad |
| [23:30:33] | nordle: | scopeuk: I had to pay 1500 tuition fees per year, and got a gov loan totalling 7,000 |
| [23:30:52] | Juski: | would've been nice if we'd had a log of everyone we talked to.. but those badge scanners cost serious cash |
| [23:31:06] | scopeuk: | nordle nice |
| [23:31:17] | scopeuk: | i get to pay 3k a year tuiton |
| [23:31:55] | Kelerion: | Juski, watch the forums and irc though... I'll bet they'll get jammed with people we met |
| [23:32:10] | Juski: | reet. been away from my wife for _way_ too bloody long. I'm going to bed |
| [23:32:17] | D-side: | Juski: oh. |
| [23:32:19] | Kelerion: | kk :) |
| [23:32:19] | D-side: | how was that? |
| [23:32:24] | Juski: | g'night all.. see you in the morn |
| [23:32:30] | D-side: | tell me later then. :) |
| [23:32:30] | ** Kelerion waves ** | |
| [23:32:31] | Kelerion: | g'nigh |
| [23:32:32] | Juski: | D-side: fantastic. enough said |
| [23:32:34] | nordle: | scopeuk: yeah, didnt come away with a degree though, just a much smaller liver and brain :) I woulve never have gone at all if it was 3k/year. I started in 98, and was the first year to have to pay these fee's...... cant believe how much it is now! |
| [23:32:45] | laga: | D-side: you were playing around with xen, weren't you? |
| [23:32:46] | Kelerion: | D-side, was tons of fun but a bit knackering |
| [23:32:50] | scopeuk: | they want to remove the current limit |
| [23:32:55] | D-side: | Kelerion: sounds like it could have been. |
| [23:33:03] | D-side: | you guys got a good response from passers-by? |
| [23:33:08] | D-side: | laga: i was once. |
| [23:33:11] | D-side: | a longish time ago. |
| [23:33:14] | scopeuk: | nordle hnce why some of us are actualyl working |
| [23:33:17] | Kelerion: | D-side, excellent response |
| [23:33:25] | D-side: | very good! got pics up? |
| [23:33:28] | laga: | D-side: just wondering.. didn't you have issues with vga in dom0? |
| [23:33:34] | D-side: | in dom0, never. |
| [23:33:36] | Juski: | oh before I go off.. you guys.. I really mean it.. thanks again for being there. couldn't have done it without yous, specially you Kelerion |
| [23:33:37] | Kelerion: | http://www.mythtvtalk.com/forum/album_cat.php?cat_id=7 |
| [23:33:50] | nordle: | scopeuk: what do you mean? working during hols, working because your not at uni at all, or ...? |
| [23:33:52] | Kelerion: | any time I can help Juski :) |
| [23:33:55] | laga: | D-side: k |
| [23:33:57] | Juski: | blimmin STARS the lot of you :) |
| [23:34:02] | scopeuk: | nordle workign towards the course |
| [23:34:08] | laga: | ooh, look, juski is getting mushy :P |
| [23:34:15] | D-side: | jeez its PACKED |
| [23:34:16] | Kelerion: | D-side, definately a few jaws dropped to the mouth |
| [23:34:18] | scopeuk: | and i will be workign summer and christmass if i can get a job |
| [23:34:22] | Juski: | credit where it's due I reckon |
| [23:34:33] | laga: | Juski: true |
| [23:34:34] | Kelerion: | and a good few honestly couldn't believe it was free or open source |
| [23:34:42] | Juski: | D-side: the photos don't do it justice. I'm writing a report tomorrow about it |
| [23:34:49] | D-side: | excellent. |
| [23:34:50] | Kelerion: | to the floor even |
| [23:35:03] | D-side: | Kelerion: you were demo'ing HD recordings werent you? :) |
| [23:35:04] | Kelerion: | will upload the one I took tomorrow |
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| [23:35:07] | scopeuk: | ok coff up whoes is the night cam? |
| [23:35:15] | Juski: | k. I mean this. I'm gone |
| [23:35:17] | Kelerion: | D-side, nope... but some thought we were given the quality |
| [23:35:22] | Juski: | :) g'night |
| [23:35:24] | D-side: | excellent |
| [23:35:27] | Kelerion: | was Juski's |
| [23:35:28] | D-side: | truly. |
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| [23:35:37] | scopeuk: | i wont even ask what thats sed for |
| [23:35:40] | scopeuk: | used* |
| [23:35:47] | Kelerion: | demo live tv |
| [23:35:54] | Kelerion: | no video source there |
| [23:36:14] | scopeuk: | i dont mean at the expo |
| [23:36:17] | Kelerion: | oh |
| [23:36:24] | Kelerion: | cctv |
| [23:36:26] | nordle: | scopeuk: ahh ok, good on you. I had a health scare when I was 17, so figured uni was a place to get mashed up with 8000 people and 4000 ladies :) So never went with the intention of actually studying. Soooo glad I did it, its the kind of experiance you can never have again, even a few years older and it just seems weird because everyone seems to childish. |
| [23:36:32] | Kelerion: | I have them too... even have them hooked to a slave backend |
| [23:36:46] | Juski: | fuck. I forgot to ask Kelerion ... any good footage of the stand on your HDD? |
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| [23:37:15] | Kelerion: | two sample clips from tuesday night... but not good |
| [23:37:25] | Kelerion: | will double check tomorrow though |
| [23:37:36] | Kelerion: | one of you might have demo'd it while I wasn't there |
| [23:37:44] | Juski: | I think I did |
| [23:37:47] | Kelerion: | if there is I'll save them off |
| [23:38:07] | scopeuk: | nordle speakign of imaturity muggins here will be up till 5/6 m saturday teching an event in the union with a bunch of like minded hyper active lunatics |
| [23:38:22] | Juski: | just thinking if there IS stuff there might be an amazing idea of just how busy the booth really was |
| [23:38:28] | Juski: | ;) |
| [23:38:34] | Kelerion: | sounds good to me |
| [23:38:36] | ** Juski waves & goes to bed ** | |
| [23:38:40] | D-side: | it looks busy enough |
| [23:38:41] | Kelerion: | g'night :) |
| [23:38:43] | stuarta: | night |
| [23:38:48] | D-side: | hell i thought it was pics from the underground at first |
| [23:38:56] | D-side: | "the tube", whatever you guys call it. :) |
| [23:39:04] | Kelerion: | lol..yup the tube |
| [23:39:10] | Kelerion: | was *as* busy as the tube |
| [23:39:16] | D-side: | it certainly looked it |
| [23:39:43] | nordle: | scopeuk: hope theres a good turn out, might get a few bevvies......oh yeah, and good feedback. |
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| [23:40:25] | ** Kelerion still feels sorry for the poor Hula guy.. no one wanted to talk to him.. lol ** | |
| [23:40:27] | scopeuk: | nordle beveys are off the menu at events something about not wanthing sub sober people playignwith 3 phase mains adn 12 stone speaker cabs |
| [23:40:51] | nordle: | scopeuk: they worry too much |
| [23:41:10] | GreyFoxx: | Kelerion: Get many "Why not postgres?" People ? :) |
| [23:41:15] | scopeuk: | nodle yes but they do give me free food softdrinks and admision to events so cant complain too much |
| [23:41:25] | Kelerion: | nope... just what was the justification.. and just once |
| [23:41:25] | nordle: | nice |
| [23:41:39] | nordle: | So Why not postgres? :) |
| [23:41:41] | scopeuk: | by 3 am when we start packign up the entire crew will have consumed so much cafine ts unreal |
| [23:41:44] | stuarta: | didn't get any of those... |
| [23:41:52] | stuarta: | !trout nordle postgres |
| [23:41:52] | ** MythLogBot slaps nordle with a postgres trout on behalf of stuarta... ** | |
| [23:41:55] | scopeuk: | between 9 of us wit hdrank over 50 cans of soda and 5 red bulls |
| [23:42:12] | scopeuk: | nordle sugest mssql while your at it ;-) |
| [23:42:23] | ** scopeuk ntos he may have to paly with mssql while hes being offered it for nothing ** | |
| [23:42:26] | nordle: | ahh but at least the trout completed it with transactions :) |
| [23:43:00] | nordle: | I use mssql every day, its how i get paid. |
| [23:43:03] | Kelerion: | GreyFoxx, actually the most common question I got was "is it any easier to install than it used to be?" .. and most of those hadn't tried again in over 2 years |
| [23:43:17] | Kelerion: | next common was what hardware is needed |
| [23:43:37] | Kelerion: | and third was "so what *is* mythtv? I've heard about it" |
| [23:43:55] | D-side: | ballsy move on your part to lug that big tv in |
| [23:44:20] | Kelerion: | no... ballsy part was leaving my wife with the 14 inch portable.. lol |
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| [23:44:24] | nordle: | sooo, can anyone help me with debugging this xmltv thing. Assuming it should populate the table program, and it isnt, how can I begin to look at this? |
| [23:44:28] | D-side: | haha |
| [23:45:00] | scopeuk: | Kelerion lol |
| [23:45:05] | Kelerion: | second biggest display there... beaten only by Novel.. who cheated with a 4 screen array.... lol |
| [23:45:18] | scopeuk: | Kelerion data projector |
| [23:45:37] | ** scopeuk wodners if av know we borrowed on of there data projectors for a hd xbox 360 sesio na while back ** | |
| [23:45:50] | Kelerion: | ? |
| [23:47:19] | stuarta: | nobody has translated scopeuk to english |
| [23:47:22] | Kelerion: | D-side, we can't demo HD in the UK...we can't capture it here |
| [23:47:30] | ** Kelerion chuckles ** | |
| [23:47:37] | ** stuarta can capture HD ** | |
| [23:47:44] | Kelerion: | apart from dvb.. lol |
| [23:47:45] | D-side: | no? |
| [23:47:49] | D-side: | what about sky? |
| [23:47:51] | scopeuk: | stuarta nope they cantfidnwhere the debug lead goes |
| [23:48:04] | Kelerion: | D-side, know many capture cards with hdmi input? |
| [23:48:11] | Kelerion: | thats the only output from sky |
| [23:48:14] | D-side: | interesting |
| [23:48:36] | scopeuk: | hmm wonder what one could do to the guts of the sky box there has to be rgb in there somewhere |
| [23:48:37] | D-side: | so, how did people get the bsg rips from sky, during season 1? |
| [23:48:48] | stuarta: | i'm lucky that I live close to the test HD broadcast. |
| [23:49:18] | Kelerion: | stuarta, your still capturing it over dvb though, right? |
| [23:49:26] | stuarta: | yup |
| [23:49:32] | GreyFoxx: | D-side: by decrypting the signal and notusing a stb :) |
| [23:49:57] | Kelerion: | probably |
| [23:50:26] | Kelerion: | and whats bsg? |
| [23:50:42] | stuarta: | battle star gallactica. |
| [23:50:42] | GreyFoxx: | battlestar galactica |
| [23:50:45] | Kelerion: | oh |
| [23:50:46] | Kelerion: | that |
| [23:50:50] | Kelerion: | never watched it |
| [23:51:06] | GreyFoxx: | One of my favourite shows |
| [23:51:06] | Kelerion: | was that on the BBC HD? |
| [23:51:16] | stuarta: | no. sky |
| [23:51:20] | Kelerion: | ahh |
| [23:51:30] | stuarta: | recently freeview too. |
| [23:51:39] | Kelerion: | then what GreyFoxx said.. lol |
| [23:51:52] | dopester (dopester!n=dopester@166.214.201.228) has joined #mythtv-users | |
| [23:52:37] | Kelerion: | bsg was released in the UK before the US?? |
| [23:52:41] | GreyFoxx: | Sky paid boatloads of cash to air that first season right as the showswere produced |
| [23:52:53] | GreyFoxx: | Kelerion: IT ended in the UK just as it started in the US |
| [23:53:05] | Kelerion: | don't see that too often |
| [23:53:11] | GreyFoxx: | yeah |
| [23:54:13] | nordle: | BLODDY SITE AGGHHH GGRRRRRR...... I dont have much free time to try and fix things, when I do (1am) the frickin rt site goes down, not down, but it starts asking for a bloomin password.......dmanit! grabbing: 18% [================= ]http://xmltv.radiotimes.com/xmltv/483.dat: could not fetch http://xmltv.radiotimes.com/xmltv/483.dat, error: 500 Can't connect to xmltv.radiot |
| [23:54:23] | Kelerion: | nordle... pastebin |
| [23:54:51] | nordle (nordle!n=nordle@91.84.10.123) has left #mythtv-users ("Kopete 0.11.3 : http://kopete.kde.org") | |
| [23:54:59] | ** Kelerion chuckles ** | |
| [23:55:52] | Kelerion: | GreyFoxx, had some *very* interesting chats with Ubuntu |
| [23:56:08] | Kelerion: | they are determined to get myth into Edgy |
| [23:56:32] | GreyFoxx: | Cool. |
| [23:56:53] | Kelerion: | but will be quite a bit of work |
| [23:57:00] | GreyFoxx: | they just had a new version out didn't they ? |
| [23:57:07] | Kelerion: | Dapper Drake |
| [23:57:25] | Kelerion: | Edgy comes out in a few months officially |
| [23:57:45] | Kelerion: | and we're not talking in the repo's... we're talking on the disk |
| [23:58:10] | GreyFoxx: | that would be sweet :) |
| [23:58:28] | Kelerion: | I think so too... but I'm biased it seems as I do use Ubuntu.. lol |
| [23:59:36] | scopeuk: | night all |
| [23:59:40] | Kelerion: | g'night :) |
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