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Wednesday, October 25th, 2006, 00:01 UTC
[00:01:50] pmowry911: regicide666: You said it is already deleted. So you cant goto the playback screen and bring up the menu to stop it. hmm I wonder if there is anything to do short of editing the database..
[00:02:09] regicide666: Yea I have not found anything
[00:03:13] regicide666: it was an hd capture while the antenna had moved so it was not a good capture so I deleted it within myth but myth had allready started the comercial detection
[00:03:58] regicide666: It has said it is working on that file for a week now even after restarting
[00:04:26] Captain_Murdoch: so delete the job from the mythfrontend status page.
[00:04:40] regicide666: I tried
[00:04:44] pmowry911: I did something like that a long time ago... but I'm braindead on what I did. It was at the command line I believe.
[00:04:46] regicide666: it won't stop
[00:05:23] Captain_Murdoch: have to delete it manually from the jobqueue table then.
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[00:08:33] regicide666: that sucks
[00:08:40] regicide666: anyone know how to do that?
[00:09:03] regicide666: I am not an sql guy
[00:09:29] pmowry911: Is it really running? In my case I ended up using a --force to get mythcommflag to clear a problem when it thought a job was running.
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[00:09:58] Captain_Murdoch: you need to know the chanid and starttim of the recording. then run this: DELETE jobqueue WHERE chanid = YOUR_CHANID and starttime = YOUR_STARTIME;
[00:10:05] Captain_Murdoch: regicide666: so the recording doesn't exist right?
[00:10:10] pmowry911: I also installed phpMyAdmin to fix mysql issues from a web browser instead of command line.
[00:10:33] regicide666: no it does not exist
[00:11:02] Aid`: Captain_Murdoch: ever hear of a flivver
[00:11:04] Captain_Murdoch: do you know the chanid and startime?
[00:11:08] regicide666: --force segmentation fault with file not found
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[00:11:31] Captain_Murdoch: that's cause the recording isn't there. that's a bug also though. I'll make a note of that. it should tell you it can't fidn the recording.
[00:11:45] regicide666: well it tells me the channel and the start time in the job queue
[00:12:44] Captain_Murdoch: ok, so if the chanid is 1010 and the startime is October 24th, 2006 at 8:00PM and 00 seconds, you'd do this: delete from jobqueue where chanid = 1010 and starttime = 20061024200000; (the time is 24-hour format with HHMMSS)
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[00:13:21] clop: hi, do you guys know, if i have some video files that i didn't record but i just had on my computer from earlier, how do i let mythtv see them
[00:13:38] regicide666: ok so 1010 is channel the channel or do is it a mix of othere data
[00:13:43] regicide666: channel #
[00:14:06] Captain_Murdoch: it is the chanid which may or may not be the channel number you see onscreen.
[00:14:20] pmowry911: clop: add them to mythvideo would be the easiest.
[00:14:51] clop: is that a plugin i need to install?
[00:15:07] clop: i haven't done any plugins yet :)
[00:15:34] siXy: is anyone using a c-media oxygen soundcard?
[00:15:36] regicide666: is there an easy query I can use to see the channel ids from mysql
[00:17:38] pmowry911: yep. I also believe there was a command line tool in contrib to import files into the database. It scanned your store directory for orphaned files then ask you questions to describe it for the database. You would have to name the file the way mythtv expects it. But mythvideo would be easier.
[00:19:06] Captain_Murdoch: regicide666: select chanid, channum, callsign from channel;
[00:19:22] Captain_Murdoch: maybe select chanid, channum, callsign from channel order by callsign;
[00:19:51] regicide666: cool now I can find it
[00:19:54] regicide666: thanks
[00:22:36] regicide666: lots of channels sorting by channum was easier to spot
[00:22:55] regicide666: I guess I could have done channum = ##
[00:23:05] regicide666: with my channel number
[00:23:17] Captain_Murdoch: yeah
[00:23:44] pmowry911: So no opinios good or bad about mythtv .20 on a PVR-350 tv out? I'm happy with the version I'm running now, but since an unexpected increase in network traffic makes me think my system has been compromised I'm going to reinstall.
[00:24:35] pmowry911: it's a P3–500mhz. So a normal TV-out card is really not an option for me.
[00:24:51] Captain_Murdoch: combined FE/BE or just FE?
[00:25:03] Captain_Murdoch: guess combined since yo usaid 360
[00:25:05] Captain_Murdoch: 350
[00:25:26] pmowry911: combined. I dont have any FE only machines anymore
[00:25:35] Captain_Murdoch: I ran my main frontend on a Celeron 466 for years using an Intel i81x video card.
[00:25:53] Captain_Murdoch: was able to do pretty good.
[00:26:42] Captain_Murdoch: if you're on 0.19, just backup your DB, reinstall the machine, install 0.20, see how it goes. if it doesn't work then reinstall 0.19 and restore from the original backup.
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[00:27:57] pmowry911: Maybe I'll give it a try again. It's been a year or two since I used anything but the 350's tv-out. // I need more disk space anyway. So I'll install to a new drive and see what happens. The wife is not gonna give me too much downtime to work with.
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[00:28:08] clop: hrmn, im getting errors trying to build mythtv-plugins...
[00:28:14] clop: In file included from recordingselector.cpp:22:
[00:28:15] clop: /usr/include/mythtv/libmythtv/programinfo.h:5:23: error: mythdbcon.h: No such file or directory
[00:28:17] clop: then a bunch of other stuff
[00:30:31] pmowry911: I have not had that specific error, but did you mythtv and plugins files come from the same source? I started using CVS after source RPMs gave me different releases for the main program and plugins.
[00:30:39] clop: hrmn, are plugins-0.20a not compatible with mythtv-0.20?
[00:30:44] clop: maybe i need 0.20 instead?
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[00:33:13] clop: i have the current versions from the mythtv.org page
[00:33:18] clop: of everything
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[00:36:40] pmowry911: I would expect them to work together. Perhaps you should use SVN and grap the release-0-20-fixes branch instead.
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[00:37:26] jd86: I'm having trouble, my mythfill database isn't running correctly as there is no route to zap2it, has something changed?
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[00:38:56] pmowry911: I just did a manual run of mythfilldatabase and it's working for me.
[00:39:20] pmowry911: I also jsut renewed my subscription an hour ago ;)
[00:39:52] jd86: alright, guess its just me
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[00:40:41] jd86: i can load websites and such on there
[00:41:02] jd86: can you tell me what IP address datadirect.webservices.zap2it.com gets for you?
[00:41:13] pmowry911: I'm pulling listings from 206.18.98.160. but I can't ping it.
[00:41:58] jd86: well i can get a forbidden thing when I load it up ina browser on my laptop
[00:42:19] jd86: but not on backend
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[00:43:30] Captain_Murdoch: that's probably because you're not loading the right URL on your laptop and it's not a normal webserver anyway, it uses SOAP so it might not have anything you can see on your laptop's web browser.
[00:43:43] aboutblank: so i'm compiling ffmpeg. --enable-pthreads means that ffmpeg will the use threads, correct? that's usually a good thing. is there a reason why it isn't enabled by default?
[00:44:07] jd86: Captain_Murdoch, i'm actually happy i am getting forbidden on laptop, I can't get that on the tvbox server though... it says no route to host
[00:44:10] aboutblank: ffmpeg will use threads*
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[00:45:15] Captain_Murdoch: so run a traceroute
[00:45:40] pmowry911: jd86: I hate to ask the obvious. but does runing route show an entry for default?
[00:45:43] clop: how do you configure mythvideo? shoudl it show up in mythfrontend?
[00:45:55] Captain_Murdoch: aboutblank: hasn't been tested that much as it's only used in software encoding and mythtranscode lossy side.
[00:45:57] jd86: pmowry911, yes, and I can load sites such as google.com etc
[00:47:15] jd86: pmowry911, i'm wondering, tracepath that site and it doesn't even make it to my router, but others do... maybe its got something to do with its ip or something? (I'm not good with this stuff aparently)
[00:49:17] pmowry911: And your box is pretty normal? No VPN links or multiple network cards?
[00:49:55] jd86: pmowry911, well.... I have ethernet bonding on it, but I figure (maybe I shouldn't) that if other sites work this should too
[00:50:22] jd86: its working now, I added a specfic entry to the datadirect.webservices.zap2it.com to my router in routing table...
[00:50:29] jd86: i don't know why i had to, but its working now
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[00:54:45] pmowry911: How does bonding do it's load balancing? With Cisco switches I would have failures between only certain machines when there was a partial failure on a link?
[00:54:57] pmowry911: Nevermind I'll just go look it up.
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[00:57:10] jd86: pmowry911, i call it ethernet bonding, there are different modes that do different thing, I have a managed switch (and a level 3 managed switch I've yet to switch over to) I'm not totally familiar with all of it but I know that if i pull out a couple plugs it keeps on working and when there is a ton of traffic over it it seems to bounce between links... I was told it was supposed to "theoretically" increase bandwidth by (at least some) over 1
[00:57:11] jd86: 00mbps (but not necessarily the total of all of links)... I just learned I could do it and did it, especially because other boxes I did it to seemed to perform well.
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[00:57:46] jd86: pmowry911, its also like called trunking i think.. multiple links with one mac address looking like one card to the switch.
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[01:02:16] pmowry911: XOR mode uses the MAC address, so I would assume all off-net traffic would use the same link and only local traffic would use the multiple links. I don't see a mode that uses source/destination IP.. But then I could be reading old documentation.
[01:02:31] pmowry911: But your working so all is good with the world.
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[01:09:05] pmowry911: clop: Those particular files are 3 and 7 months old. So I would not expect them to have changed tar files. Did your run ./configure ? Just guessing.
[01:09:37] clop: i think i forgot the --prefix on my configure
[01:09:53] clop: now one of the other plugins is working, so i'll try to get back to that one soon
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[01:17:13] pmowry911: brb
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[01:19:55] banyan: any pvr-350 X driver users in the house?
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[01:22:47] banyan: Here's my deal. When I press ctrl-alt-f8 to direct my focus to the TV, my monitor (driven off a standard nvidia card) goes glitchy.
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[01:23:13] banyan: Why does it do anything at all, considering that I'm switching to a completely different monitor?
[01:24:20] kormoc: banyan, likely cause it gets a lower priority and all that jazz by the X server
[01:24:45] kormoc: you might want to try the 9xxx nvidia beta driver, and if it does it, submit a bug report to nvidia
[01:25:13] banyan: And, the ivtv X driver doesn't do anything until / unless I have my focus on it.
[01:26:00] banyan: I'm dealing with two separate cards and two separate monitors and two separate servers...
[01:26:13] banyan: hence my confusion.
[01:27:10] banyan: It shouldn't affect anything on the nvidia to switch to the ivtv.
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[01:48:26] squish102: hi, any help on the following type of error in dmesg: "cx88_alsa: disagrees about version of symbol snd_ctl_add" ?
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[01:48:39] squish102: lots of those lines
[01:49:04] banyan: kormoc, does the X server just spawn another thread to deal with the new display?
[01:51:14] squish102: i have even done "hg clone http://linuxtv.org/hg/v4l-dvb" and a make and make install
[01:52:41] aboutblank: dumb question: what is the command to show the % CPU load in a shell?
[01:52:42] squish102: have no idea what to look for, or fix but i have no sound now :(
[01:52:51] squish102: top ?
[01:53:04] aboutblank: yes. thanks squish102
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[02:17:05] netw1z: are there any other mythTV IRC channels?
[02:17:44] kormoc: banyan, aye
[02:17:55] kormoc: netw1z, but you're a net wiz! shouldn't you know?!?!
[02:19:13] banyan: kormrok — so there is just one server with multiple displays? Am I supposed to use a special server for that?
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[02:20:22] banyan: I am, apropos of nothing, drinking some Lopsang Shushong tea, it's like liquid smoke. Absolutely amazingly good.
[02:20:27] banyan: Don't quote me on the name.
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[02:20:36] kormoc: banyan, well, it depends on your setup, usually it's one server with threads with multiple displays, you could split them up, but it might not work any better
[02:20:54] banyan: Fair nuff.
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[02:21:15] banyan: Is it the habit of the x server to not update when it doesn't have the focus?
[02:21:41] kormoc: yeah
[02:21:54] banyan: that 'splains it.
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[02:22:38] banyan: other problem I have is that I want to be able to adjust the overscan... I can't see the whole desktop.
[02:22:52] kormoc: if you set it up as one server with two displays, that would work, but you'd share the mouse + keyboard with both of them
[02:23:02] kormoc: I donno if you can
[02:23:12] kormoc: I know with nvidia's you can, but not sure about other drivers
[02:23:17] banyan: the other way you'd have to have two mice and two keyboards?
[02:23:24] kormoc: banyan, aye
[02:23:36] banyan: Innaresting.
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[02:26:02] Savage1: hey all
[02:26:25] Savage1: I used knoppmyth to setup a mythtv box
[02:27:03] Savage1: it works well on the install but I'm having a fundamental problem, once it gets installed and I go to watch tv it says it can't connect to the backend server and that I may have put the wrong ip
[02:27:28] Savage1: but I chose to install everything on this one box, it's going to be it's own backend etc and I left the ip settings to 127.0.0.1, localhost
[02:27:33] Savage1: but it won't connect
[02:27:41] Savage1: I go to the command line and do: mythbackend
[02:27:55] Savage1: and it runs a lot of stuff and gives a few errors that look like it can't connect to my inout device
[02:28:00] Savage1: which is a hauppauge 150
[02:28:32] banyan: hmm, try doing an lspci
[02:28:37] banyan: sorry, an lsmod.
[02:28:53] Savage1: and I remember during te setup of the software I went in and added a cable source or whatever but never a video source
[02:29:01] Savage1: maybe backend isn't starting because no vide source is selected?
[02:29:06] Savage1: what's lsmod gonna do?
[02:29:16] Savage1: my other problem is I'm annoying the hell out of my roomate rofl
[02:29:23] Savage1: by taking over the tv
[02:29:37] banyan: lspci will see if you have the drivers loaded
[02:29:51] Savage1: what'll lsmod do"
[02:29:52] Savage1: ?
[02:30:00] banyan: lsmod I mean.
[02:30:10] Savage1: k
[02:30:13] Savage1: if ti's not that
[02:30:14] banyan: it lists the modules your kernel has loaded.
[02:30:23] Savage1: how can I re-enter the setup that asks for all the video settings etc
[02:30:23] banyan: you can review the setup...
[02:30:36] Savage1: because mythtv-setup doesn't do jack but ask a couple questions
[02:30:45] banyan: in the frontend you can do it.
[02:31:02] Savage1: naw man
[02:31:07] Savage1: if I go to setup and run general
[02:31:12] Savage1: it just asks a few questions
[02:31:24] banyan: Let me see on mine where it asks that.
[02:31:38] Savage1: I had a setup screen initially that asked me the ip of the backend server, and let me see all sorts of stuff for adding video sources etc
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[02:32:15] Savage1: also the box is not internet connected at this point
[02:32:21] Savage1: haven't run my cable yet
[02:32:38] Savage1: thanks for your help btw hehe
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[02:37:13] banyan: It's under video sources in mythtv-setup.
[02:37:59] Savage1: k
[02:38:08] Savage1: so I run mythtv-setup and then go there?
[02:38:12] banyan: Sorry, input connections.
[02:38:29] Savage1: when I do that, it just asks me for the language and then goes to a single page w/ some questions and then finish
[02:38:30] banyan: That's where you map the inputs to the channel lineups.
[02:38:37] Savage1: I think I'm not getting the info
[02:38:41] banyan: what version of myth is this?
[02:38:44] Savage1: I'm wondering tho
[02:38:47] Savage1: not sure one sec
[02:38:55] Savage1: my main issue is it's not connecting with the backend
[02:39:00] Savage1: it says the backend isn't started
[02:39:13] banyan: It shouldn't have to be.
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[02:39:28] banyan: Mine complains because my backend is running!
[02:39:46] Savage1: hehe
[02:39:49] Savage1: it needs the backend tho
[02:39:51] banyan: Guess I better go catch it huh?
[02:39:54] Savage1: that's what runs the software
[02:39:57] Savage1: hehe
[02:40:01] banyan: Do you have your backend set up?
[02:40:09] Savage1: how does one do that
[02:40:14] Savage1: because I am assuming yet
[02:40:17] banyan: it's in the howto...
[02:40:24] Savage1: I'm running knoppmyth
[02:40:45] banyan: I believe there's a script somewhere that you run in mysql.
[02:40:58] banyan: Now, maybe it's set up in knoppmyth already.
[02:41:10] Savage1: that's done
[02:41:28] banyan: try running mysql mythconverg
[02:43:07] banyan: If you set up a specific user and password, you'll have to do -u <user> -p<password> note the lack of space.
[02:43:31] Savage1: k
[02:43:38] xris: (lack of space after the -p only)
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[02:49:40] banyan: just like I have it.
[02:49:55] banyan: And if you have the chance, do a mythfrontend --version
[02:50:33] Savage1: i'll be back in a few
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[02:54:34] johnnysmi: anyone know where i can find info on a MythBurn error message "Warning can't rewind WAV file."
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[03:24:07] Paladine: how does the commercial skipping work in mythtv, I am curious
[03:24:27] Paladine: what does it detect to know there is a commercial break starting
[03:25:13] Paladine: back in the old days in the UK there used to be a black and white checkerboard animation in the top corner of the screen just before the commercials
[03:25:21] Paladine: but I don't see it nowadays
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[03:27:38] doggkruse: xris: ping
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[03:28:03] Captain_Murdoch: Paladine: it's been discussed over and over in the mailing lists, but basicaly it uses a combination of blank-frame, scene-change, logo, aspect-ratio, and letter/pillar-box detection currently.
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[03:28:32] Paladine: sounds complex but seems to work really well
[03:28:43] Paladine: I just tried it for the first time whilst playing back a recording
[03:29:09] Joffray: does anyone know how to do exceptions, or even if you can, to recording rules/schedules
[03:29:25] Joffray: For exaples, I have a rule setup to record simpsons on whatever channel it wants, whenever it wants
[03:29:36] Joffray: only problem is that some channels are not reporting the guide data correctly
[03:29:37] Captain_Murdoch: Joffray: they're called 'overrides' and you can override recording (or not recording) a specific episode.
[03:29:58] Captain_Murdoch: can't do on a per-channel basis, just per episode currently.
[03:29:59] Joffray: well I just don't want it to record a show on a few channels
[03:30:05] Joffray: hmph
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[03:30:38] opello: it would probably be easier to say record the simpsons on the 2 or 3 channels it airs on, than to say any channel but x y or z
[03:30:54] Joffray: well, right now it records from a list of 60+ channels
[03:31:06] banyan: I hate when channels fail to list correctly.
[03:31:14] Joffray: there are 5 or 6 that don't report correctly
[03:31:26] Joffray: or they're in a different language
[03:31:41] banyan: On two separate occasions I was supposed to be recording Easy Rider but I got Inuit cooking shows instead.
[03:31:56] Paladine: inuit cooking shows lol
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[03:32:09] Paladine: what sort of dishes were they preparing?
[03:32:16] Joffray: deep fried seal
[03:32:18] Captain_Murdoch: could make a custom recording rule that checks to make sure it's not on those channels.
[03:32:21] Paladine: hehehe
[03:32:41] Paladine: "today we are going to make ice water"
[03:32:46] Joffray: Captain: how would I go about doing that?
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[03:33:52] Joffray: ahh
[03:33:55] Joffray: I thin I see how to do this
[03:33:57] Joffray: *think
[03:34:07] Captain_Murdoch: use the custom recording schedule editor and put something like this in as the rule: (title = "The Simpsons" and channel.callsign not in ( 'WABC', 'WXYZ', WTVQ' ))"
[03:34:14] Joffray: yea
[03:34:15] Joffray: thx
[03:37:20] banyan: fish dishes.
[03:38:13] banyan: Couldn't tell specifically, it was in inuktuk.
[03:40:01] Joffray: happen to know which table stores the custom recording schedules/rules
[03:40:25] banyan: about the same issue, if I want to record a show on channels 18 and 36 but not on 27, could I not select "Record at any time on this channel" in 18 and 36, rather than 27?
[03:41:02] Joffray: you can do
[03:41:16] Joffray: channel.channum!=27;
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[03:42:47] Joffray: I can't figure out where it stores the custom recording rules
[03:43:19] topher: i have a few quick questions about mythtv behavior that i could not locate in the manual: i have some shows being deleted only hours after theyre recorded, and other shows being kept for over a month. the two shows do have different priorities – does priority affect what will get deleted next?
[03:43:43] banyan: you can select "record any time on this channel" for a specific show on multiple channels, though, can you not?
[03:44:18] Joffray: yes you can banyan
[03:44:20] banyan: I would assume that the lowest priority stuff gets nixed first.
[03:44:59] topher: banyan: do you know if that is affected at all by the "num. of recordings to keep" setting?
[03:45:19] Joffray: ahhh
[03:45:29] Joffray: mythconverg.customexample
[03:45:30] banyan: I can't say that I do know but I expect so
[03:45:34] Joffray: that's where they're stored
[03:45:46] banyan: they're hardly examples if they get used actively.
[03:45:55] Captain_Murdoch: Joffray: they're stored in the record table with the rest of the rules. the description field is the SQL
[03:45:56] Joffray: well
[03:46:09] Joffray: where in the record table
[03:46:11] Joffray: what field
[03:46:12] topher: banyan: okay, thanks, ill try and figure it ot
[03:46:14] topher: *out
[03:46:22] Joffray: because I see it in customexample
[03:46:25] Captain_Murdoch: Joffray: I just told you what field
[03:46:37] Captain_Murdoch: ignore that, those are examples used on the custom editor screen.
[03:47:05] Joffray: you said the record table
[03:47:24] Joffray: now which field stores the sql query that I enter into the custom rule screen
[03:47:26] Captain_Murdoch: I said "they're stored in the record table with the rest of the rules. the description field is the SQL" so I stated the table and th field
[03:47:37] Joffray: ahh
[03:47:41] Captain_Murdoch: read the whole sentence. :)
[03:47:42] Joffray: I r blind
[03:47:47] Captain_Murdoch: ur
[03:47:54] Captain_Murdoch: :)
[03:47:56] Joffray: Use proper grammer. ;)
[03:48:09] Joffray: nope, not in the description field
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[03:49:37] Captain_Murdoch: yes it is, I'm staring at one right now that I have for recording pilot episodes of shows.
[03:50:46] Joffray: http://www.oldskools.org/screenshot.png
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[03:51:45] Captain_Murdoch: this is only true for power searches which you don't have any of so you don't see them.
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[03:52:32] Captain_Murdoch: type == 4
[03:53:09] Joffray: 3 of them are type 4
[03:53:54] Joffray: mysql> SELECT title, description FROM mythconverg.record WHERE type=4;
[03:53:54] Joffray: +-------------------------+-------------+
[03:53:55] Joffray: | title | description |
[03:53:55] Joffray: +-------------------------+-------------+
[03:53:55] Joffray: | Blowout (Title Search) | Blowout |
[03:53:55] Joffray: | Simpsons (Title Search) | Simpsons |
[03:53:57] Joffray: | Seinfeld (Title Search) | Seinfeld |
[03:53:59] Captain_Murdoch: there's a subtype I think. just create one of the power searches and you can see what it looks like.
[03:53:59] Joffray: +-------------------------+-------------+
[03:54:03] Joffray: 3 rows in set (0.00 sec)
[03:54:15] Captain_Murdoch: 4 = search, I think there is a subtype.
[03:54:15] Joffray: I created a custom query in the screen
[03:54:23] Joffray: and it put into customexample
[03:54:53] Joffray: and it's the only row in customexample
[03:55:17] Captain_Murdoch: did you create a scheduled recording from it after you typed it in?
[03:55:25] Joffray: I saved it
[03:55:31] Joffray: lemme see if it's still there
[03:55:43] Captain_Murdoch: that's different than creating a scheduled recording, that just saves for reuse later.
[03:56:00] Joffray: ahh
[03:56:14] Joffray: I c
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[03:57:05] Joffray: type = 9 for Power Search
[03:57:13] Joffray: and now it's in the description
[03:57:15] Joffray: :)
[03:57:19] Joffray: tnx
[03:57:25] Joffray: even if I was an ass :)
[04:00:25] Captain_Murdoch: not really. :) actually type is the type (all channels, this channel, etc.) 4 is 'all channels', 9 is 'find daily'). The search type is in the 'search' field.
[04:00:36] Captain_Murdoch: had them mixed up for a few minutes.
[04:00:48] Joffray: i c
[04:00:58] Captain_Murdoch: power search is 1, title is 2, keyword 3, people 4, manual 5
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[04:05:45] banyan: anyone else seeing perverse amounts of CPU usage on playback thru a pvr-350 TV-out?
[04:06:12] banyan: like, 50% of a P4–2.5 GHz?
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[04:12:48] PointyPumper: uhm
[04:12:51] PointyPumper: anybody home? xD
[04:13:56] banyan: meaby
[04:14:13] banyan: what's the question?
[04:15:06] PointyPumper: uhm, i'm having some problems with a bt878 and pal-nc
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[04:15:38] PointyPumper: it simply wont work :/ just in pal mode
[04:15:54] banyan: Hmm, I am an ivtv user so I am afraid I won't be much help.
[04:15:57] PointyPumper: if i set it to pal-nc, i can only capture a blue screen
[04:16:01] PointyPumper: :/
[04:16:28] ** PointyPumper cryes **
[04:16:35] banyan: have you tried to do a cat /dev/video<whatever it is> > test.mpg?
[04:16:49] PointyPumper: lets see
[04:18:31] banyan: I forget if it's video16 or video32 or video0 or what.
[04:18:37] Captain_Murdoch: that only works on ivtv cards, not on bttv cards.
[04:18:46] PointyPumper: :/
[04:19:11] PointyPumper: (the cat thing?)
[04:19:22] Captain_Murdoch: yeah.
[04:19:35] Captain_Murdoch: you're using the bttv driver right?
[04:19:44] PointyPumper: yeap
[04:20:02] Captain_Murdoch: best to test the card with tvtime or xawtv or something like that, and if you can get it working there, then try Myth.
[04:20:12] banyan: oh, sorry about the bun steer.
[04:20:21] banyan: bum steer that is.
[04:20:27] PointyPumper: i've been trying with kdetv (the only one that works with my bashee)
[04:20:31] PointyPumper: and, it works
[04:20:35] PointyPumper: but the thing is
[04:20:45] PointyPumper: i cannot scan in pal-nc mode, i have to do a pal scan
[04:20:53] PointyPumper: (when searching for channels)
[04:21:06] PointyPumper: but then, in the program, i can set pal-nc mode, and it works)
[04:21:09] banyan: if you try nc mode you end up with no pals?
[04:21:16] PointyPumper: -_-
[04:21:50] PointyPumper: so, it seems that there is some kind of driver problema, but kdetv works, as it seems to be doing the trick in software or smthing :/
[04:21:56] banyan: Heh, I'm watching Hush Hush Sweet Charlotte. Bette... Davis... gettting.. to me... the madness... the madness!
[04:22:06] PointyPumper: but mythtv tryes to set it in hardware mode
[04:22:19] PointyPumper: (sory bout my english)
[04:22:20] banyan: My advice: put that card away and read a book.
[04:22:26] PointyPumper: O.O
[04:22:41] banyan: Or Bette Davis'll get you.
[04:22:55] banyan: where you from pointy?
[04:22:58] PointyPumper: argentina
[04:23:05] PointyPumper: (thats why the pal-nc thing xD)
[04:24:09] PointyPumper: snif, i got 2 bt878 cards -_-
[04:24:16] PointyPumper: i wanna make em work
[04:24:17] PointyPumper: asd
[04:24:38] Captain_Murdoch: might be that Myth doesn't support the nc frequencies. I don't see any 'nc' in the frequencies lists.
[04:24:44] Captain_Murdoch: you say kdetv works?
[04:24:54] PointyPumper: pal-nc
[04:25:12] Captain_Murdoch: does kdetv work?
[04:25:17] PointyPumper: kde works, but it seems that its doing some software magic
[04:25:23] PointyPumper: dketv
[04:25:26] Captain_Murdoch: and Myth gives you a blue screen?
[04:25:27] PointyPumper: kdetv
[04:25:29] PointyPumper: yeap
[04:25:37] Captain_Murdoch: are you sure that Myth is recording from the right input?
[04:25:41] PointyPumper: yeap
[04:25:45] PointyPumper: if i set it to pal
[04:25:50] PointyPumper: i can see a bw image
[04:25:55] PointyPumper: i can change channels
[04:25:58] PointyPumper: and be semi happy
[04:26:06] PointyPumper: but in bw
[04:26:07] PointyPumper: :(
[04:26:33] Captain_Murdoch: ok. so what frequency list do you select in myth? is there a pal-nc?
[04:26:40] banyan: does nobody in SA use NTSC?
[04:26:50] Captain_Murdoch: what's sa?
[04:27:13] Captain_Murdoch: maybe they like the other better since it is in a few ways. :)
[04:27:16] PointyPumper: argentina's channel frequency table
[04:27:21] Captain_Murdoch: nevermind about the "what's sa?"
[04:27:44] Captain_Murdoch: ok, can you hear audio when you see the blue screen?
[04:27:46] banyan: suramerica?
[04:27:47] PointyPumper: i can detect the channels (in pal mode)
[04:28:06] PointyPumper: uhm, i didnt connect the audio yet
[04:28:08] PointyPumper: i'll try
[04:28:14] PointyPumper: yeap
[04:28:17] PointyPumper: south america xD
[04:28:26] PointyPumper: but, no
[04:28:31] PointyPumper: here it's all pal i think
[04:28:39] Captain_Murdoch: what 'pal' do you pick when you select pal and get B&W?
[04:28:41] PointyPumper: dont know chile
[04:28:47] PointyPumper: plain pal
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[04:36:05] cnorman_: hey all – was wonder if anyone could help me with a strange ATI/color issue
[04:37:41] cnorman_: specifically only during playback – throughout everything else in mythtv looks great... this is on a secondary frontend so I know it's gotta be a video issue, but i'm stumped...
[04:37:44] cnorman_: any takers? ;)
[04:38:40] PointyPumper: ( Captain_Murdoch, i've connected the "audio" thing, now lets see what happens)
[04:42:04] Captain_Murdoch: PointyPumper: I'm not that educated on all the channel freq stuff. I'm expecting you'll just get static if anything.
[04:42:53] PointyPumper: :/
[04:44:58] PointyPumper: uhm, still, i got another problem xD i dont know how to configure the cd-in auxiliar input :/
[04:45:03] PointyPumper: asd, lets see
[04:48:43] Captain_Murdoch: what tuner type are you using when you load the bttv module?
[04:50:54] PointyPumper: now im using
[04:50:56] PointyPumper: tuner 0–0060: type set to 21 (Temic NTSC (4039 FR5))
[04:51:06] PointyPumper: but i've tryed with every temic tuner :/
[04:51:10] PointyPumper: pal ones
[04:51:15] PointyPumper: didnt make diference
[04:52:19] Captain_Murdoch: is there a 142?
[04:52:29] PointyPumper: 142?
[04:52:51] Captain_Murdoch: type 142
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[04:54:38] PointyPumper: uhm, i think not :S
[04:54:39] PointyPumper: why?
[04:54:46] PointyPumper: seen only up to 60
[04:55:15] Captain_Murdoch: http://v4l.videotechnology.com/irc/v4l/2006/05/17 <- this page is about a guy trying to get a bt878 card working with pal-nc and he says his card type is 142.
[04:56:30] PointyPumper: aaaa, card type
[04:56:34] PointyPumper: thoug of tuner type
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[04:58:45] PointyPumper: uhm, i dont think that i'll work :/
[04:58:48] PointyPumper: it has a diferent card
[04:58:49] PointyPumper: lets see
[04:59:55] Captain_Murdoch: he mentions that that card is hard-wired to tuner 69 I think in that log, so maybe try that tuner as well. I also saw one post where a guy said he used tuner=4 which I think is an NTSC tuner. won't hurt to try. I can't help much, but google is your friend.
[05:00:38] PointyPumper: i';ve been searching, but didnt find anything related to that :/ (like this things)
[05:00:53] Captain_Murdoch: http://linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/v4l-dv . . . ;view=markup <- that page has some PCI bus IDs so you can see if your card is listed there as well.
[05:02:02] banyan: tottallyyy off topic! but has anyone here got a sonicare toothbrush?
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[05:02:23] banyan: There's a code on the bottom and I wonder if it is the date of manufacture.
[05:03:16] dtm: banyan: lol i do
[05:03:20] dtm: an old one
[05:03:48] banyan: can you do me a fave and look at the bottom to see if there is a code that looks like it might be "YYMM"?
[05:04:50] Captain_Murdoch: ban, mine says 0210d so that could be October of '02. sounds about right.
[05:05:50] banyan: They don't have a Canadian distributorship... so I can't buy a new charger. I blew up the old charger (took it to Australia and plugged it into a prong converter, naively assuming that it also stepped the 220 volts down to 110).
[05:06:09] dtm: mine only says Ni-CD
[05:06:29] banyan: And the only way therefore, that I can get a replacement charger is to fib and say that the code is, say, 0411.
[05:06:43] banyan: Now that I am somewhat confident that that's actually what the code means.
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[05:10:09] ** Captain_Murdoch goes to bed. **
[05:11:13] PointyPumper: c ya
[05:11:14] PointyPumper: thx
[05:11:18] PointyPumper: for the help
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[05:54:11] CBiLL: VGA is analog correct?
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[05:56:56] ServerSage: CBiLL: Yes.
[05:57:33] CBiLL: trying to think how to use analog until I purchase my hdtv
[05:57:48] CBiLL: doesn't seem to be any vga to composite adapter out there
[05:58:09] CBiLL: oh nm found 1
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[06:17:02] DrMitch: anyone get the problem of shows deleting after one day...even though my harddrive isn't full ?
[06:17:21] DrMitch: i only have 3 shows in my "Watch Recordings" and i have 5 videos in the directory
[06:17:27] czth: maybe you've been infected by the TiVo virus
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[06:18:49] DrMitch: shut up
[06:19:44] czth: testy, aren't we?
[06:21:27] kraut: moin
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[06:26:16] Anduin: DrMitch: sure your filter is showing all?
[06:26:24] DrMitch: yup
[06:28:56] DrMitch: i lost a couple episodes completely just today that were recorded yesterday AND today
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[06:35:24] Neeesat25: Hello to all
[06:37:03] Neeesat25: I have problem compiling lirc here what I get: make[5]: *** [/usr/local/src/lirc-0.8.0/drivers/lirc_dev/lirc_dev.o] Error 1
[06:39:06] Neeesat25: Anyone got similar problem?
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[06:41:52] siXy: Neeesat25: what distro?
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[06:42:51] Neeesat25: debian
[06:43:57] siXy: hmm. im no debian expert, but if you post the full output of make to rafb.net then i can take a look
[06:44:10] Neeesat25: ok
[06:46:09] Neeesat25: here it is: http://rafb.net/paste/results/GEE0qg96.html
[06:47:56] siXy: Run 'make oldconfig && make prepare' on kernel src
[06:48:31] Neeesat25: Thats what I have read also but I was not sure
[06:48:35] siXy: taken straight from what you just posted... its a good idea to read the output...
[06:49:43] siXy: google do you have the kernel image package?
[06:49:56] siXy: ignore the google :)
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[06:50:29] Neeesat25: I did it and I got the same results
[06:52:25] siXy: Neeesat25: there are pleny of good guides to how to properly install the kernel source on debian. ive got to go, but google should get you the info
[06:54:13] Neeesat25: ok I will make some search
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[07:10:39] banyan: Hey, I suspect a framebuffer conflict between the ivtv card and my console framebuffer. How the hell do you disable the console framebuffer with kernel 2.6.18?
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[07:22:25] DIrEctQL: hey, i backed up the database
[07:22:43] DIrEctQL: but i want to restore only the recording schedules
[07:23:03] DIrEctQL: what table is it?
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[07:27:57] banyan: I think it's recordingschedule.
[07:29:55] DIrEctQL: not found
[07:30:36] banyan: the table?
[07:31:25] DIrEctQL: yep
[07:31:30] DIrEctQL: not found in the backup
[07:35:33] banyan: I don't know then! I have a backup table called recordingschedule but I see my database doesn't have it anymore.
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[08:26:02] Joffray: record stores the rules
[08:26:12] Joffray: recordmatch stores the found matches
[08:26:32] Joffray: recordmatch really just links the record rules to the specific program entry in the program table
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[08:26:40] Joffray: I goto sleep now
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[09:46:36] dorel__: the nfs mount that i need in order for remote frontends to play movies is something i configure on the remote frontend or on the backend server?
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[10:01:09] Dibblah: Anyone who has a Xeon running as a server at home... Sell it. Sell it now.
[10:02:16] Merlin83b: Why's that?
[10:02:36] Dibblah: Just went from a 2.8Ghz dual Xeon drawing 280w idle, 340w peak. To an Athlon X2 4200. It draws 120w at idle. 160w at peak.
[10:02:41] Dibblah: That's with 8 disks.
[10:02:54] Dibblah:
[10:03:04] Dibblah: Faster machine, more RAM,...
[10:03:39] Dibblah: It's better overall.
[10:03:39] czth: sweet. i'm just now setting up my first MythTV box with an Athlon X2 4600.
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[10:04:12] Merlin83b: Dibblah: Xeons have never been particularly energy efficient :)
[10:04:23] Merlin83b: Newer core duo ones are better though.
[10:04:25] czth: supposedly the core2duo is pretty decent though
[10:04:31] Merlin83b: Not as good as AMD, but better :)
[10:04:31] czth: aye
[10:04:33] Dibblah: That's not exactly stock – I'm modifying CnQ bits so I get lowest multiplier = 5, voltage =0.875.
[10:04:47] Merlin83b: We have racks and racks of the things. Quite warm in that room :)
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[10:05:05] Dibblah: ... Think of the savings by moving to blades!
[10:05:21] Dibblah: It'd pay for itsself in a year or two.
[10:05:25] Merlin83b: Heh.
[10:05:34] Merlin83b: For us, blades aren't really an option at this stage :)
[10:05:36] Dibblah: Best bit about it? The upgrade was free.
[10:05:41] Merlin83b: Heh, cool.
[10:05:54] Dibblah: The bits sold on ebay for more than the new bits cost.
[10:06:04] Merlin83b: Awesome.
[10:06:33] Dibblah: Now I get to play with XP in a Xen instance, too :)
[10:08:57] Merlin83b: Blades are a silly amount of hassle though. Who's actually so limited by space that they need to fit 10 servers in 7U?
[10:10:39] Dibblah: Google.
[10:10:55] Dibblah: IBM.
[10:11:06] Dibblah: Anyone with a datacenter.
[10:11:38] Merlin83b: I know that Google don't use blades, I know there are very few in the DC we use.
[10:13:20] Dibblah: Glad I didn't go for the 4200+ EE, though.
[10:34:01] quicksilver: most people with datacenters don't actually have the power dissipation/cooling technology to cope with blades though
[10:34:18] quicksilver: since racks were designed for 2–4kW/rack and blades can fit in 20–40kW/rack
[10:39:45] Merlin83b: Indeed.
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[12:10:58] fryfrog: Does anyone use firewire to STB, in p2p or broadcast mode?
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[12:29:41] sakui: where is the master backend server located at?
[12:30:03] quicksilver: in your living room, very likely
[12:30:12] quicksilver: although I'm not psychic enough to be sure
[12:30:20] gardengnome: well, my old one is located in the kitchen, but i'll migrate it to my current slave backend soon
[12:30:23] fryfrog: mine?
[12:30:58] sakui: 2006-10–25 07:24:51.934 Connecting to backend server: localhost:6543 (try 1 of 1)
[12:31:01] sakui: 2006-10–25 07:24:51.934 Connection timed out.
[12:31:23] quicksilver: probably not running
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[12:31:49] gardengnome: a) it's not running b) you've put in two different IPs in mythtv-setup when it aske you for the addresses for the local system and the master backend
[12:32:01] sm007h: can someone help me out with an unable to connect to backedn error?
[12:32:04] fryfrog: sakui: oh, the "backend" runs where ever you tell it to. It is *likely* running on the same machine if you only have 1 mythtv system?
[12:32:48] sm007h: I have the backend setup to run on 192.168.0.100
[12:33:02] sm007h: and the frontends are setup to connect to that ip.
[12:33:09] qu0zl: then it may not be listening on localhost. localhost and the ip address of the nic are not the same
[12:33:26] qu0zl: oops missed sakui and sm007h up :(
[12:33:33] sm007h: but when I look in the log for the frontends, the logs on them say that they can't connect to localhost
[12:33:47] fryfrog: sm007h: check your mysql.txt file
[12:33:50] sm007h: I have
[12:33:52] fryfrog: that is what sends them to the db
[12:33:58] sm007h: it's set to 192.168.0.100
[12:34:03] fryfrog: okay, now check the db and make sure *that* doesn't say localhost
[12:34:05] qu0zl: change the backend to listen on localhost instead of 192.168.0.100 sm007h ?
[12:34:11] sm007h: I dont' understand why it still sends to localhost
[12:34:18] fryfrog: qu0zl: that wouldn't work, he has remote front ends
[12:34:23] qu0zl: ahhh
[12:34:35] fryfrog: sm007h: the mysql.txt tells it how to get to mysql, inside *mysql* is the ip of the master server
[12:34:49] sm007h: fryfrog: ok, yeah. so do I check the server db or the frontends' dbs?
[12:34:51] fryfrog: sm007h: so you *probably* just flew through the menu when you first started up the frontend
[12:35:03] fryfrog: there is only *one* db
[12:35:08] sm007h: no, I've been using myth for a while now
[12:35:12] sm007h: it's not a new setup
[12:35:15] fryfrog: ah
[12:35:23] sm007h: just two new frontends
[12:35:36] sm007h: ok, well there isn't anything on the host db that is set to localhost
[12:35:38] fryfrog: was your *original* frontend a combine fe/be?
[12:35:43] sm007h: no
[12:35:47] fryfrog: humm
[12:35:47] sm007h: always host/remote
[12:35:55] fryfrog: you only have *one* mysql server, right?
[12:35:58] fryfrog: and one db?
[12:36:05] fryfrog: er, well one mythconverg db
[12:36:11] sm007h: that's why I don't understand the outpout of the frontends. why would they connect to localhost:6543 if there is only one db?
[12:36:23] sm007h: yes
[12:36:27] sm007h: I believe so
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[12:36:59] fryfrog: sm007h: try "-v all" you'll see them connect to the db
[12:37:03] sm007h: do I need to go into mysql on the remote boxes and see if they are set to look for localhost for some reason?
[12:37:08] fryfrog: then you'll see them query the db for the master server's ip
[12:37:23] sm007h: mythfrontend -v all  ?
[12:37:24] fryfrog: sm007h: you just need to edit the one db and search for "localhost"
[12:37:29] fryfrog: -v is "verbose"
[12:37:40] sm007h: the server's db has no instances of localhost
[12:38:05] sm007h: yeah, I know. do you want me to start up the frontends in verbose mode or the server?
[12:38:07] sakui: fryfrog: i'm getting a popup that it can't find the backend server.
[12:38:37] fatmatt: anyone using a fusion lite card?
[12:39:10] sm007h: hmm, do I need to give my new ips remote access rights in the db?
[12:39:14] fryfrog: sm007h: prolly worth doing it to both, but i'd start with the FE
[12:39:19] fryfrog: sm007h: of course :)
[12:39:26] sm007h: that must be the problem
[12:39:37] fryfrog: sm007h: you should be able to do "mysql -u <user> -p -h <ip of db> mythconverg" and have it work
[12:39:38] sm007h: strange that it can't be done remotely. I just realized that I hadn't done that
[12:40:17] fatmatt: getting "frontend driver was not found" error
[12:40:28] sm007h: fryfrog: on the host?
[12:41:24] sm007h: who's the user? root or every account on the remote box that might connect to the db on the host?
[12:42:10] fryfrog: sm007h: on the *frontend* you have to be able to connect to the mysql db using what ever user you setup for it. it is *probably* "mythtv" with a pw of "mythtv"
[12:42:29] fryfrog: sm007h: mysql users and system accounts are *different*
[12:42:41] sm007h: fryfrog: yeah, through the mythfrontend gui, that is set correctly.
[12:42:57] fryfrog: instead of allowing specific ips, i usually just allow my entire network
[12:43:02] sm007h: so did I
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[12:43:16] fryfrog: sm007h: okay, so from the command line on one of your frontends that doesn't seem to be working...
[12:43:20] sm007h: that would be like: 192.168.0.%
[12:43:31] fryfrog: can you do "mysql -u mythtv -p -h <db server> mythconverg"?
[12:43:33] fryfrog: yah
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[12:44:09] sm007h: fryfrog: yes, that works
[12:44:28] fryfrog: okay
[12:44:36] fryfrog: now, what are you using to look *into* the db?
[12:44:51] fryfrog: and how does the output of -v all look?
[12:44:55] fryfrog: (don't paste in here
[12:44:55] sm007h: on the host, I am using phpmyadmin
[12:44:57] fryfrog: use pastebin.ca)
[12:45:09] sm007h: output of -v all on my mythbackend?
[12:46:47] fryfrog: on the front end
[12:46:52] fryfrog: that is giving you errors
[12:48:38] sm007h: I'll post that in a second. this is right at the top and tells me something is werid: connecting to backend server: localhost:6543 (try 1 of5)
[12:48:50] sm007h: why is it trying to connect to localhost?
[12:51:04] sm007h: you can see the log here: http://smooth.hopto.org/mythfrontend.log
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[12:51:26] GreyFoxx: sm00t: Is this frontend on the same machine as your backend ?
[12:51:41] sm007h: no, it's on a different machne
[12:52:11] GreyFoxx: Sounds like your backend is configured to be on localhost (default when a single fe+be machine) and your new fe is getting lcoalhost from the database
[12:52:28] GreyFoxx: reconfigure your backend (mythtv-setup on the backend) to listen on the external interface and not localhost
[12:52:45] sm007h: there are no instances of 'localhost' in mysql
[12:53:02] sm007h: it's setup correctly according to the gui
[12:53:15] sm007h: and I can't find 'localhost' anywhere using phpmyadmin
[12:53:39] GreyFoxx: On your fe, in mythtv-setup what does the "Master Server IP" say ?
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[12:53:59] sm007h: my remote fe?
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[12:54:14] GreyFoxx: yeah
[12:54:42] sm007h: I don't have mythtv-setup on my fe
[12:55:11] GreyFoxx: Your packager should be shot :)
[12:55:27] GreyFoxx: but ok, on the backend, what does it say for that same value ?
[12:55:30] sm007h: no, hmmm, could it be that I used frontendonly ?
[12:55:54] GreyFoxx: did you compile it with frontend only ?
[12:55:55] sm007h: my own fault for how I compiled it, if that's the case
[12:55:57] sm007h: ye
[12:55:58] GreyFoxx: Yeah
[12:56:01] sm007h: I'll recompile it
[12:56:01] GreyFoxx: you shouldn't do that
[12:56:07] sm007h: that is evidently still borked ;)
[12:56:09] GreyFoxx: that option is only there for portability :)
[12:56:19] GreyFoxx: for systems where the backend wont comp[ile :)
[12:56:19] sm007h: ok, give me a few moments and then I'll be back if that doesn't fix it
[12:56:24] sm007h: oh
[12:56:33] sm007h: hmm
[12:56:41] sm007h: ok, well that sounds different ;)
[12:56:42] GreyFoxx: That wont likely fix this problem however
[12:56:43] fryfrog: can you search the db for 127.0.0.1?
[12:56:48] fryfrog: instead of localhost?
[12:56:51] sm007h: ah yes, forgot that
[12:57:08] GreyFoxx: Again though, answer my Q, if you run mythtv-setup on your backend, what is the Master Server IP address set to ?
[12:57:50] sm007h: GreyFoxx: I don't knw what it is now. I've set it to 192.168.0.100 and host.server.localnet neither worked
[12:58:07] GreyFoxx: sm00t: Go and look to see what it's set too :)
[12:58:10] sm007h: and yes, there is one instance of 127.0.0.1
[12:58:18] fryfrog: that is the problem :)
[12:58:18] GreyFoxx: Where ?
[12:59:12] sm007h: DefaultVxmlUrl
[12:59:15] sm007h: what is that?
[12:59:27] fryfrog: oh?
[12:59:31] GreyFoxx: sm007h: Not sure, I've snever seen that one
[12:59:35] sm007h: http://127.0.0.1/vxml/index.vxml
[12:59:44] fryfrog: thats weird :p
[12:59:57] sm007h: it's in mythconverg > settings > DefaultVxmlUrl
[13:00:06] sm007h: should I change that?
[13:00:07] GreyFoxx: sm007h: I take it you are looking at a sql du mp and not at the gui itself ?
[13:00:15] sm007h: I'm looking at phpmyadmin
[13:00:26] sm007h: and I'm looking in the gui, in just a sec. I have to forward x
[13:00:46] GreyFoxx: look for any BackendServerIP and MasterServerIP in the DB, or just the first General page in -setup
[13:01:04] sm007h: they are both 192.168.0.100
[13:01:11] sm007h: and I've had them set to the dns name, too
[13:01:14] sm007h: neither worked
[13:01:22] GreyFoxx: hostnames would not work for sure
[13:01:30] sm007h: why not?
[13:01:33] GreyFoxx: are you sure your frontend is talking to the right instance of mysql ?
[13:01:42] sm007h: I have a hardware router and all my hostnames are set in /etc/hosts
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[13:01:49] GreyFoxx: sm007h: Cause the code expects an IP and doesn't do any name resolving
[13:01:51] sm007h: no, I'm not sure. how would I check that?
[13:02:02] GreyFoxx: on the remote fe, look in mysql.txt
[13:02:07] sm007h: my router does name resolving, but that's fine. it's set to an ip
[13:02:10] GreyFoxx: see what the name of the DB server is
[13:02:48] sm007h: mythconverg
[13:02:48] GreyFoxx: DBHostName to be specific
[13:02:59] sm007h: hostname? that's 192.168.0.100
[13:03:38] GreyFoxx: and for sure your backend is pointing to the same db and mysql instance ?
[13:03:50] sm007h: yes
[13:04:44] GreyFoxx: I'm curious if you have more than one MasterServerIP setting in there
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[13:05:12] sm007h: I don't in myphpadmin
[13:05:31] sm007h: did you have a chance to loog at my log?
[13:05:40] sm007h: http://smooth.hopto.org/mythfrontend.log
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[13:06:36] GreyFoxx: SELECT data FROM settings WHERE value = 'MasterServerIP' AND hostname = 'indonesia' ; SELECT data FROM settings WHERE value = 'MasterServerIP' AND hostname IS NULL;
[13:06:42] GreyFoxx: run both of those and see what you get
[13:08:19] sm007h: first one gives me empty set
[13:09:07] sm007h: and so does the second one
[13:10:04] fryfrog: why does the first query say 'indonesia'?
[13:10:08] sm007h: I'm also in settings right now
[13:10:10] sm007h: I don't know
[13:10:17] sm007h: indonesia is the name of the remote fe
[13:10:21] fryfrog: oh
[13:10:32] fryfrog: GreyFoxx: could he *nuke* the tables for the new remote fes?
[13:10:44] fryfrog: so that when he fires it up, he goes through the setup pages again?
[13:10:48] GreyFoxx: No
[13:11:04] sm007h: I need to recompile without using frontendonly
[13:11:08] GreyFoxx: one thing that is a definate problem is that 1 of those 2 should have returned a value
[13:11:12] sm007h: I don't even know if any new tables were made
[13:11:31] GreyFoxx: If you actually setup (and had a working) backend then the second one should have returned a value
[13:11:40] fryfrog: sm007h: gentoo?
[13:11:46] GreyFoxx: No new tables are made by frohntends, just values in the settings table
[13:11:53] sm007h: when I look in phpmyadmin, the second command should have returned something, the hostname is blank, but not "NULL"
[13:11:58] sm007h: yeah, gentoo
[13:12:12] sm007h: should I change the value to be "NULL" instead of blank?
[13:12:24] fryfrog: you don't *need* mythtv-setup on a system w/o a backend
[13:12:34] GreyFoxx: sm007h: My question is why is it blank and not null
[13:12:37] fryfrog: just on the actual backend servers
[13:12:40] sm007h: mine too
[13:12:42] GreyFoxx: Was your backend working?
[13:12:44] sm007h: should I change it?
[13:12:49] sm007h: yeah, backend is working.
[13:12:51] GreyFoxx: fryfrog: You SHOULD have it on frontends as well
[13:12:53] sm007h: and it's still working with mythtv
[13:13:07] sm007h: I mean, mythweb
[13:13:17] fryfrog: GreyFoxx: why?
[13:13:27] fryfrog: for that first page of "general" settings?
[13:13:36] GreyFoxx: fryfrog: Channel editor, frequency tuning, master backend overrides
[13:13:48] GreyFoxx: There is no savings to not have it
[13:14:05] fryfrog: but what does mythtv-setup even connect to when run on a fe only box?
[13:14:16] GreyFoxx: the sql databsae ?
[13:14:17] fryfrog: my setup only includes a master be / fe and a slave be / fe
[13:14:27] fryfrog: oh, yeah duh
[13:14:37] fryfrog: i forgot it interacts with the db not the actual backend
[13:15:04] fryfrog: is --frontend-only a ./configure option?
[13:15:05] sm007h: so I guess that will answre my Q if that fixes it
[13:15:08] sm007h: yeah
[13:15:34] GreyFoxx: fryfrog: yes, one meant for compiling a frontend on a platform where the backend doesn't/wont function
[13:15:45] fryfrog: oh
[13:15:45] GreyFoxx: so if you are compiling a mac frontend
[13:15:49] fryfrog: ebuild suggests *not* using it :/
[13:16:06] GreyFoxx: It shouldn't be used by 99% of people
[13:16:07] fryfrog: sm007h: so remove it from your useflags :)
[13:16:09] sm007h: I'm ssh'ed into my host, back into my main box, from there to my laptop, and then to my wife's computer... I need to back out of some thins, don't knw where the hell I am ;D
[13:16:14] sm007h: I am
[13:16:23] GreyFoxx: hostnames are your friend :)
[13:16:34] sm007h: yeah
[13:16:46] fryfrog: i use screen
[13:16:50] sm007h: I know "where" I am ;) I was just kidding
[13:16:54] fryfrog: and ctrl-a shift-a to name the tabs at the bottom
[13:17:01] fryfrog: oh, and a umm termcap?
[13:17:07] fryfrog: i forget what its called
[13:17:10] fryfrog: screen ftw :)
[13:17:18] fryfrog: "0$* irc 1$ dumbledore 2-$ snape"
[13:17:19] sm007h: I also have bunch of forwarded x sessions, that's what I was referring to
[13:17:26] fryfrog: looks something like that, only not so ugly :)
[13:17:29] fryfrog: ah
[13:17:31] GreyFoxx: screen is probably the app I use most of anything else since technically most of my other work is going through screen
[13:18:02] fryfrog: hehe
[13:18:11] GreyFoxx: greg@blurb:~$ ps -ef | grep xterm | wc -l
[13:18:11] GreyFoxx: 39
[13:18:12] sm007h: the mythtv that was on my laptop, that used to work as of yesterday, was compiled frontendonly
[13:18:22] GreyFoxx: hehe 39 xterms, many with screen running :)
[13:18:45] sm007h: hmm, I do have it compiled with -mysql though
[13:19:10] GreyFoxx: Myth doesn't directly link to mysql, as long as QT is it should be ok
[13:19:14] sm007h: thta's what I was asking...is it possible I'm connecting to the mysql db on my local comptuers?
[13:19:26] sm007h: oph
[13:19:31] GreyFoxx: Do you have mysql running on the remote frontend ?
[13:19:55] sm007h: no, but it's also not connnecting ;)
[13:20:04] sm007h: doesn't mean it's not trying?
[13:20:13] GreyFoxx: 6543 is the backend process, not mysql
[13:20:39] fryfrog: sm007h: your QT3 was compiled with mysql support right?
[13:20:42] GreyFoxx: and your log shows no evidence of failure to reach mysql
[13:20:53] fryfrog: i mean, the mythtv ebuild should have done it auto-magically
[13:21:03] sm007h: unless I broke it
[13:21:09] fryfrog: man, i dunno how but your shit is all fucked up :p
[13:21:53] sm007h: hahaha
[13:22:01] sm007h: yeah, qt3 is compiled with mysql
[13:22:12] sm007h: but also ipv6
[13:22:15] sm007h: does that matter?
[13:22:55] sm007h: hmm
[13:23:05] sm007h: same as my laptop. but neither is working....
[13:23:19] sm007h: and it used to yesterday
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[13:24:43] sm007h: the big question in my mind is why does the log keep sayng that it can't connect to localhost? when there sin't one setting anywher that has localhost
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[13:24:58] sm007h: and that would be the db that I was thinking it is failing on connecting to
[13:25:00] fryfrog: because somewhere, there must *be*
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[13:25:14] sm007h: yeah, on my remote machines?
[13:25:25] sm007h: there isn't any instance of it on the host
[13:25:32] sm007h: I just looked through the entire db
[13:25:39] sm007h: the whole thing, not just mythconverg
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[13:26:00] GreyFoxx: sm007h: The problem is that those 2 sql queries are not getting an entry back on where to look for the backend so it is "falling back" to 127.0.0.1/localhost which in your case is incorrect
[13:26:27] sm007h: ko, I've got mythtv-setup running on one of the frontends
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[13:27:31] GreyFoxx: One of them or on the one in particular having issues ?
[13:27:55] sm007h: they are both having issues now
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[13:28:34] sm007h: ok, so in the setup section, I went through and put masterip no 1921.68.0.100
[13:29:02] sm007h: and the next page, it asks me for ip for indonesia (remote) so that I leave at 127.0.0.1? and set master at 192.168.0.100?
[13:29:10] GreyFoxx: yes
[13:30:34] sm007h: as soon as I go to save anything, my log says that the frontend can't connect to localhost:653
[13:30:44] sm007h: *localhost:6543
[13:31:06] sm007h: do you have a dump of your settings table?
[13:31:07] GreyFoxx: what do you mean go to "save" anything? There is no save button I'm aware of
[13:31:16] sm007h: sure, when you go to exit
[13:31:39] GreyFoxx: Mine just confirms I want to exit
[13:31:40] sm007h: I'm assumgin that's when it "saves" the config changes in the db?
[13:31:50] sm007h: well, that's because it connects ;)
[13:31:53] GreyFoxx: they are written to the db as soon as you move to the next screen
[13:32:17] sm007h: regardless, like I said, when it tries to save anything it reports that no connect to localhost:6543
[13:32:43] sm007h: and if thta occurs when I move from screen to screen, then tht's what's happening. but it looks like it's occurind when I go to exit
[13:33:41] GreyFoxx: the backend is not part of the writing the db settings process, so what you are seeing there has nothing to do with the writing of the settings. It's mythtv-setup checking to see if the backend is running locally and you can ignore it
[13:34:08] GreyFoxx: after you have setup the Master Server IP and exited mythtv-setup
[13:34:12] GreyFoxx: try running your frontend
[13:34:26] sm007h: I did
[13:34:28] sm007h: same issue
[13:34:39] sm007h: it's not mythtv-setup. that's mythfrontend
[13:34:44] sm007h: check my log
[13:35:09] GreyFoxx: From the remote FE: run this : mythtfrontend -G MasterServerIP
[13:35:20] GreyFoxx: What does it return as the value ?
[13:36:44] sm007h: first it says it connects to mythconverg on 192.168.0.100 then it says.......Settings Value: MasterServerIP =
[13:36:47] sm007h: !
[13:36:50] sm007h: what is thta poop
[13:39:11] Joffray: those are different values
[13:39:32] GreyFoxx: that first line just means that it is successfully reaching the sql database, the second means that it's query is failing to return the IP of the Master backend
[13:40:00] GreyFoxx: INSERT INTO settings VALUES ('MasterServerIP','192.168.0.100',NULL);
[13:40:04] GreyFoxx: dump that into your table
[13:41:26] sm007h: does it matter if I'm root or mythtv ?
[13:41:45] opello: no
[13:41:47] GreyFoxx: doesn't matter
[13:43:31] sm007h: ok, that works
[13:43:36] sm007h: but why was it messed up?
[13:43:42] fryfrog: as in, fixed it?
[13:43:51] fryfrog: solar flares, probably
[13:44:02] sm007h: yes, I'm running on one computer at least
[13:44:45] fryfrog: spiffy
[13:44:52] GreyFoxx: Sounds like you have some hostname weirdness to me
[13:45:03] GreyFoxx: especially since you said onie of them had a hostname of ''
[13:45:03] sm007h: lol, now the other one is tryng to connect to 192.168.0.102
[13:45:05] sm007h: wth
[13:45:20] sm007h: when did I say that?
[13:45:48] GreyFoxx: [10:11am]<sm007h> when I look in phpmyadmin, the second command should have
[13:45:49] GreyFoxx: returned something, the hostname is blank, but not "NULL"
[13:46:11] GreyFoxx: '' being blank :)
[13:46:16] sm007h: should that be NULL r my hostname?
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[13:46:27] sm007h: yeah, that's due to something else ;)
[13:46:31] GreyFoxx: null is a global default, your hostname is a local overrride
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[13:46:36] sm007h: I think my tables were corrutped in the past
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[13:46:42] GreyFoxx: as long as either exist it would work
[13:46:46] mintee: morning all.
[13:46:50] sm007h: but not if it's blank?
[13:46:57] fryfrog: you could do the check ting?
[13:47:06] fryfrog: myisamcheck or what ever
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[13:47:51] GreyFoxx: sm007h: Blank wouldn't match either of the SQL queries
[13:47:58] GreyFoxx: blank != NULL
[13:48:08] sm007h: I figured that
[13:48:20] GreyFoxx: you got many recordings now ?
[13:48:27] sm007h: just making sure...
[13:48:35] sm007h: me?
[13:48:38] GreyFoxx: yeah
[13:48:44] sm007h: I guess. I have a few
[13:48:53] fryfrog: that is why i make hourly, daily, weekly and monthly backups of all my ds :p
[13:49:03] fryfrog: er, dbs
[13:49:28] mintee: should i get a WinTV150 with a remote, or should i skip the remote ?
[13:49:39] quicksilver: depends if you already have a working remote, I suppose?
[13:49:39] fryfrog: PVR150?
[13:49:43] mintee: yeah
[13:49:46] mintee: fryfrog
[13:49:49] fryfrog: or if you even like the remote it comes with
[13:50:06] mintee: fryfrog, good point
[13:50:14] fryfrog: I got a Harmony 688 recently and I like it more than any of the remotes that have come with my carsds
[13:50:25] fryfrog: though it *is* emulating a PVR350's big remote
[13:50:47] mintee: you manually set it up? or are their codes already out there supporting myth
[13:50:53] sm007h: I've got a harmony 880. they're sweet
[13:51:16] sm007h: might as well get the remote
[13:51:19] fryfrog: Logitech has this huge db in their setup application (the remote is usb_)
[13:51:26] sm007h: you won't be able to get the remote wire without a remote, from what I can tell
[13:51:43] fryfrog: i just used a serial port lirc reciever
[13:51:48] sm007h: I have a pvr500, and a harmony remote, Ijust need to figure out how to get a signal to my computer ;)
[13:51:50] mintee: Oh, wow, didn't even notice it's logitech
[13:51:57] fryfrog: i guess it depends on the price of a PVR150 w/ and w/o remote
[13:52:09] sm007h: they're like $20 diff, iirc
[13:52:19] mintee: sm007h, i can build an IR reciever
[13:52:24] fryfrog: the remote that came with my PVR250 is *not* worth $20 :)
[13:52:29] sm007h: fryfrog, where do I look for serialport rec?
[13:52:37] sm007h: that's comforting ;)
[13:52:38] fryfrog: the lirc site tells how to make em
[13:52:42] sm007h: send me one....
[13:52:47] fryfrog: you can buy them too, prolly on ebay
[13:52:47] sm007h: I think I read that
[13:53:01] mintee: yeah, look on myth's wiki
[13:53:09] fryfrog: i bought the parts to make 5 of em online (cost the same as the parts to make 1 from radioshack)
[13:53:12] sm007h: what I wish I could do is hook my receiver up to my comptuer via serial and control the computer through the headunit
[13:53:19] fryfrog: but i suck at soldering :(
[13:53:24] mintee: fryfrog, jamco?
[13:53:29] sm007h: me too, have you made 5 yet ;)
[13:53:31] fryfrog: no, something with a D?
[13:53:38] fryfrog: i haven't even made *one* yet
[13:53:43] sm007h: lol
[13:53:49] fryfrog: I suck at soldering *and* i suck at visualizing electronic circuits
[13:53:52] sm007h: that's what would happen if I bought parts to make one
[13:54:19] mintee: lol, like my friend who paid out the wazoo for Make zine, and when his subscription was up, i said, "So, what did you make?",
[13:54:24] mintee: he replied, "Shut Up"
[13:54:25] fryfrog: Actually, what I need are a few serial ports
[13:54:34] fryfrog: dude, Make is awsome
[13:54:39] fryfrog: though I haven't made anything either :)
[13:54:46] mintee: lol, posers
[13:54:49] mintee: well
[13:54:54] mintee: you do have a working mythbox
[13:54:55] mintee: so
[13:55:00] fryfrog: ahha
[13:55:03] mintee: that's more to say than me ;)
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[13:55:19] mintee: i make beer everyweek, does that count?
[13:56:05] mintee: oh, and http://www.instructables.com/ is a great site too. kinda a PITA to sift thru all the crap, but there are some simple cool projects
[13:57:33] mintee: Wow, the harmony almost looks like a myth FE'
[13:57:47] fryfrog: i got the cheap harmony, was $75
[13:57:54] fryfrog: some of them are like $500 :p
[13:58:04] mintee: man, i just sold my psp on ebay
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[13:58:20] mintee: i could have used that rather easy
[13:58:35] mintee: vnc to the actual box, and you have a wifi remote
[13:58:41] Zider: instructables has some reeeallysick stufftoo
[13:58:58] sm007h: yeah, except that oh, a psp? you can do that?
[13:59:03] mintee: yeah Zider... i made one of the lamps that's on there.
[13:59:22] Zider: mintee: did you see the rat throwie?
[13:59:28] mintee: sm007h, yeah, iirc. i know there is like a remote desktop app for windows
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[13:59:37] mintee: Zider, lol, yeah, that was great
[14:00:13] mintee: Zider, i did make this, http://www.instructables.com/id/EECBH5S42FEP2870OC/
[14:00:27] Zider: not great, sick..
[14:01:00] mintee: very simple, and mine looks better.... i stained the box, and coated it with polyuthane <sp?>
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[14:10:02] sm007h: everything looks good so far
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[14:30:42] mintee: fryfrog, i thought you said the other day that the 150 would be like $40
[14:30:56] mintee: ebay's around $70
[14:31:15] sm007h: going up in price
[14:31:22] sm007h: good value ;)
[14:31:29] sm007h: go for a 500 anyway
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[14:31:41] ** seth|laptop wants a 500 **
[14:31:42] mintee: cheap == good
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[14:31:48] mintee: 500 != cheap
[14:31:52] sm007h: no?
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[14:31:57] sm007h: I got mine for $100 shipped
[14:32:03] sm007h: hmmm, I should sell mine ;)
[14:32:13] sm007h: what's the scoop n hd cards, tho?
[14:32:14] ** seth|laptop will give you $75, hehe **
[14:32:36] mintee: sm007h, i have the pcHDTV-5500 hd card
[14:32:49] mintee: but it does shitty analog
[14:33:10] sm007h: I doubt I'd use it for analog
[14:33:11] seth|laptop: if you are not interested in cable HD QAM, I recommend the air2pc OTA HD card, I have 2, they run $40 on ebay free shipping
[14:33:24] sm007h: do you have to choose between analog and digi? one or the other/
[14:33:24] mintee: and my machine isn't strong enug to play the 1080i videos
[14:33:45] sm007h: yeah, just free stuff from OTA
[14:33:48] sm007h: just like my TV
[14:34:02] mintee: sm007h it's a DVB device, so it has HD and analog to choose from
[14:34:07] sm007h: do any of you even use the regular tv signal anymore or just leave your tv set to the computer?
[14:34:32] sm007h: mintee: I meant, can I record both digi and analog simultaneously?
[14:34:50] mintee: yeah, well the 500 is dual input, right?
[14:34:58] sm007h: dual *output*
[14:35:00] sm007h: single inupt
[14:35:07] mintee: wtf?
[14:35:12] quicksilver: only one tuner, I imagine
[14:35:17] mintee: why would i want dual output?
[14:35:17] sm007h: dual tuner
[14:35:29] quicksilver: oh if it's dual tuner then in principle it appears as two cards, I suppose
[14:35:31] sm007h: it has *no* outputs if you're thinking of it like that
[14:35:32] GreyFoxx: the 500 is 2 tuners, single fconnector which is internally spolit
[14:35:45] mintee: [10:34] sm007h: dual *output*
[14:35:54] GreyFoxx: it does however allow for 2 different svideo/composite at the same time
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[14:36:17] Borromini: lo
[14:36:23] mintee: http://pchdtv.com/ <-- my card
[14:36:24] sm007h: mintee: exactly. there are no physical outputs, if that's what you're thinking. it has dual output in terms of signal, tho
[14:36:46] sm007h: I have no idea why you'd want dual output ;) I can't live without it
[14:37:01] mintee: sm007h, right, so therefore dual inputs. 2 x coax cables, right?
[14:37:05] sm007h: I never had a single card, and I wouldnt' recommend one to anyone.
[14:37:10] sm007h: no
[14:37:12] sm007h: one input
[14:37:21] sm007h: GreyFoxx already explained it
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[14:37:30] mintee: how the hell does it take 2 signals from 1 cable?
[14:37:33] mintee: oh
[14:37:37] sm007h: internally split
[14:37:41] mintee: ah
[14:37:49] mintee: yeah, skipped that line while reading
[14:37:54] sm007h: why would you want to use a splitter, degrade the signal, then go in?
[14:37:57] ** mintee is at work and in 4 channesl **
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[14:38:07] mintee: *channels
[14:38:14] mintee: good point sm007h
[14:38:37] sm007h: so is your card dual tuner or just hd, with sd emulated?
[14:38:46] sm007h: not that I care, but I'd rather have dual digital
[14:38:49] mintee: just hd, with sd emulated
[14:38:54] sm007h: I *need* four tuners ;)
[14:38:57] sm007h: ok
[14:39:06] sm007h: what was that ebay card?
[14:39:09] mintee: and my box won't play the HD signal :(
[14:39:22] sm007h: I don't understand that
[14:39:32] sm007h: it's just 2d, what are you using? a 286?
[14:39:33] mintee: 2.4P4
[14:39:41] mintee: 1080i
[14:39:46] mintee: BIG SIgnal
[14:39:46] sm007h: that can't be the bottleneck....
[14:39:57] mintee: mpeg2 decoding
[14:39:58] sm007h: it's just 2d
[14:40:03] sm007h: hmm
[14:40:10] seth|laptop: http://cgi.ebay.com/Air2PC-ATSC-Digital-HDTV- . . . cmdZViewItem
[14:40:16] seth|laptop: I have 2 of these
[14:40:24] mintee: sm007h, yeah, well, that was my thought too, but i've been hangin in here for a few days now, and everyone says it's the CPU
[14:40:29] sm007h: I thought hd card would natively decode the signal. I didn't even know it *was* encoded, actually
[14:40:46] mintee: well, it's no, it' mpeg2
[14:40:49] sm007h: it shouldn't be mpeg2, isn't hd mpeg4?
[14:40:55] sm007h: that's really weird
[14:40:56] GreyFoxx: smk00: All Digital broadcasts are encoded. mpeg2 and more and more mpeg44
[14:41:08] mintee: not from what others said in this channel
[14:41:15] GreyFoxx: No, mpeg4 (h26e) is still new and rare
[14:41:16] sm007h: but don't all cards do it onboard?
[14:41:18] GreyFoxx: h264
[14:41:29] mintee: GreyFoxx, do you think that a P4 2.4 would have a hard time playing an HD signal?
[14:41:31] GreyFoxx: They just read it and pass it to your PC, your PC decodes and plays it
[14:41:44] sm007h: hm
[14:41:49] seth|laptop: my amd64 3200+ does, and that is only 2GHz
[14:41:52] GreyFoxx: minthome: My XP2500+ (which is reall 1.8ghz) plays 1080i happily
[14:41:54] sm007h: my pvr500 says it's all onboard
[14:42:13] sm007h: lol, you guys are comparing some apples and oranges there ;)
[14:42:18] GreyFoxx: sm00t: Your pvr500 is onboard encoding the raw SDTV signal into an mpeg2
[14:42:21] sm007h: but, yeah, that chip shouldn't be the bottleneck
[14:42:22] mintee: GreyFoxx, this is an old 2.4.. like 3 years old or more.
[14:42:24] Borromini: GreyFoxx what card you using for that? for HD playback?
[14:42:48] sm007h: yes, but the CPU isnt doing anything....
[14:42:48] GreyFoxx: Borrow: I don't use my card/XvMC for playback, just software
[14:43:02] GreyFoxx: sm007h: It is for playback :)
[14:43:14] mintee: not to mention, i'm using a geforce6600GT for output
[14:43:21] sm007h: I shouldnt have used the word encode, because yeah, that's what it's doing. but the cpu isn't encoding, transcoding, decoding, etc.
[14:43:21] GreyFoxx: Borromini: But fyi the card is a GF4 MX440 in there
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[14:43:46] mintee: sm007h, tell top that when I'm trying to watch HD
[14:43:51] sm007h: I have to double check. I'm pretty sure my video card does any decoding
[14:44:06] Borromini: GreyFoxx so just playback, or are you recording 1080i too?
[14:44:15] sm007h: hrm, I lost my head. obviously the pvr isn't doing squat when watching
[14:44:20] seth|laptop: well my layout is amd64 3200+(2GHz) 1GB DDR, onboard GF6100 graphics, and I can play live or recorded well, with just ffmpeg and one filed De-Int.
[14:44:26] GreyFoxx: Borromini: It's done both
[14:44:31] Borromini: nice
[14:44:31] mintee: is there a way to watch it in a lower rez than 1080i?
[14:44:33] GreyFoxx: but recording takes 0 cpu
[14:44:36] Borromini: with a 2500+
[14:44:37] Borromini: heh?
[14:44:45] Borromini: what TV card you use then to record?
[14:44:48] sm007h: but my nvidia has native decodidng is must be what I'm thining
[14:45:02] GreyFoxx: when recording from a DVB/ATSC card, OR from a pvr card recording takes close to 0% cpu
[14:45:12] sm007h: yes, you can watch it in lower rez. but I dont' know what you'd save after you transcoded ;)
[14:45:20] GreyFoxx: Playback is where the pain is OR if you are using a cheap software t uners
[14:45:20] Borromini: pvr with an encoder you mean :-)
[14:45:32] sm007h: right
[14:45:40] mintee: hum...
[14:45:43] sm007h: and my nvidia 7600GT has native h264
[14:45:51] sm007h: onboard
[14:46:00] mintee: so now i'm just confused, not sure if it's my CPU or not
[14:46:04] sm007h: it's not
[14:46:10] mintee: good jobs guys, confuse the poor mintee
[14:46:13] Borromini: :P
[14:46:19] sm007h: what diff does it make...is the picture slow or something?
[14:46:19] mintee: :D
[14:46:30] mintee: completely unwatchable
[14:46:31] Borromini: is someone using pytvgrab-lib?
[14:46:33] sm007h: or is your cpu at 100% and you just don't like it
[14:46:43] sm007h: I'd look at your harddrive first
[14:46:45] mintee: completely unwatchable & CPU is at 100%
[14:46:45] Borromini: it isn't compiling for me against python 2.4...
[14:46:47] sm007h: unwatchable is strange
[14:47:08] mintee: well, i mean the picture shows, and the audio is there, but every 2 seconds it lags
[14:47:17] sm007h: shouldn't even bother recording at that rate. record it at a manageable size and then you wont' have to transcode it
[14:47:26] sm007h: it probably wants some butter
[14:47:30] sm007h: p4's are like that
[14:47:47] mintee: "record it at a manageable size" ???
[14:47:53] GreyFoxx: sm007h: He's talking about HDTV right? Then he's got no control over the bitrate
[14:47:54] mintee: i've seen no such settings
[14:47:59] GreyFoxx: until after it's recorded
[14:47:59] sm007h: oh
[14:48:00] seth|laptop: my HD records at 7.1GB ab hour
[14:48:05] Borromini: hehe
[14:48:10] mintee: GreyFoxx, yes, i am.... it's ok to talk to me directly
[14:48:16] Borromini: how much HD space you got seth|laptop ?
[14:48:42] mintee: seth|laptop, ?? I heard only 3–5/per hour
[14:48:42] GreyFoxx: minthome: I can't do that! IT would be ....wrong...
[14:48:50] seth|laptop: Borromini: currently 320GB, but it will be upgraded as soon as I find the right buy on a few 300 or 500GB drives
[14:48:53] mintee: heh, GreyFoxx
[14:48:57] sm007h: mintee: aren't you using myth? how come you don't re-encode the crap while you're sleeping?
[14:49:12] ** Borromini is thinking about a RAID 5 setup with a few 400 GB Samsungs **
[14:49:20] mintee: sm007h, uh... why shouldwould i?
[14:49:25] sm007h: nm
[14:49:50] sm007h: I guess you wouldnt then :D
[14:50:46] mintee: i mean, i guess i couldwould if i knew howto, but I don't really care to. I'd rather it just work. I need to determine if it's my hda or my cpu
[14:51:06] sm007h: well, you said top was maxing out?
[14:51:07] seth|laptop: -rw-r--r-- 1 mythtv mythtv 7676390808 Oct 23 22:00 3580_20061023210000.mpg – last nights law and order svu
[14:51:20] sm007h: but who knows...I lke my processor at 100%
[14:51:22] Borromini: heh?
[14:51:24] mintee: i guess I could throw mythoppix on my desktop and allow the mythbox to record and stream to my core 2 duo
[14:51:29] Borromini: 7 frigging GB
[14:51:34] seth|laptop: yup
[14:51:36] Borromini: seth|laptop what screen you got?
[14:51:38] Borromini: to watch it on
[14:51:42] Borromini: it better be good :P
[14:51:44] seth|laptop: now that doesn't have the commercials clipped out yet
[14:52:05] seth|laptop: Borromini: I use a plain okd 43" philips 4:3 projection set
[14:52:10] sm007h: mintee, you setup jobs and it all goes automagically...or so I've read
[14:52:12] Borromini: k
[14:52:18] sm007h: and then you could watch it without choppiness
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[14:52:57] sm007h: but you have to watch your disc access, FS to see if it's taking processor power, and then your proc is neeeding room accorgint to your reading of top
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[14:53:31] sm007h: but all that said, you'd think you'd have the same problems with a DVD
[14:53:50] mintee: I'll try and set it up tonight to record LOST in HD, and when i get home from the bar, i will try and watch it on my desktop
[14:53:54] sm007h: and transcoding to 264 supposedly matches qulaity to mpeg2 but half the space
[14:53:57] sm007h: *size
[14:54:08] sm007h: yeah, LOST
[14:54:13] mintee: 264?
[14:54:18] sm007h: that would be sweet, I need to get a HD card
[14:54:30] sm007h: anyone have a recommendation for a dual tuner HD?
[14:54:35] mintee: HOWTO: transcoding to 264?
[14:55:07] sm007h: I don't knw what card you hav
[14:55:17] sm007h: or if it depends on the video card at all
[14:55:31] seth|laptop: I hear the new HDHomerun is pretty good, dual tuner HD, network attached
[14:56:36] seth|laptop: http://www.silicondust.com/main/index.php?act . . . ;productId=5
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[14:56:54] sm007h: wow, that looks pretty cool
[14:57:03] sm007h: and it would cover my ir needs, too?
[14:57:10] seth|laptop: has support for mythtv .20
[14:57:33] sm007h: I don't knw what that means
[14:57:46] sm007h: what does "support for: vlc and myth" even mean
[14:57:57] sm007h: "comnpatible with"
[14:58:03] qu0zl: myth is mythtv, vlc is videolan a big opensource media player
[14:58:08] seth|laptop: mythtv version .20 has support for it, it shows up as an option when you are in setup for tuner/capture cards
[14:58:10] sm007h: I know
[14:58:17] qu0zl: it means compatible with, yes
[14:58:21] sm007h: lol
[14:58:22] sm007h: ok
[14:58:29] sm007h: it's compatible with a video player ;)
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[14:58:37] sm007h: myth, that makes sense at least
[14:58:44] qu0zl: vlc is a networked videoplayer
[14:58:49] sm007h: I know what vlc is
[14:58:51] qu0zl: it even does rtsp and cool stuff like that
[14:58:56] seth|laptop: I was actually thinking about getting one, but I am going to let my friend get his first, and see what tit does.
[14:59:03] qu0zl: so why would it make any more sense for it to be compatible with mythtv than vlc?
[14:59:08] sm007h: it doesn't require you to tell it what pvr card you'r using
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[14:59:49] sm007h: lol, yeah, I wonder if it's compatible with mplayer too ;O
[15:00:16] sm007h: why isn't it giga tho? that's the only thing that hurts
[15:00:20] GreyFoxx: It means that vlc and myth are tested and capable of reading it's network streams. Nothing less nothing more
[15:00:36] seth|laptop: I was wondering how well it would stream over 100MB as well
[15:00:54] sm007h: mine's fine so far, but I haven't done HD
[15:01:08] seth|laptop: I can do it now from the master/front to my slave, but that is only one channel/recording at a time, not 2
[15:01:10] GreyFoxx: HD is fine of 100MB
[15:01:21] GreyFoxx: HD is MAX 19MB
[15:01:26] seth|laptop: oh, cool
[15:01:38] GreyFoxx: and noone broadcasts at the max
[15:01:40] sm007h: well, GreyFoxx, what's 100MB 'MAX' ;)
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[15:02:23] sm007h: because if you get theoretical speeds, that's great. but I haven't seen em
[15:02:30] GreyFoxx: then you have a problem
[15:02:47] GreyFoxx: If you can't get 80Mbit+ off a 100Mbit switch your gear or your setup is messed up
[15:02:50] sm007h: yeah, I don't have scsi to push 100Mb/sec through the pipes ;)
[15:02:51] qu0zl: ethernet over cat5 doesn't have that much overhead
[15:02:53] GreyFoxx: assuming it's not just overly busy
[15:02:56] qu0zl: unlike say wireless
[15:03:16] quicksilver: wireless overhead is primarily down to it not being duplex
[15:03:24] quicksilver: not solely, but primarily
[15:03:32] sm007h: an 80MB/sec throughput....I'd like to see a video of that
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[15:03:50] sm007h: and the shelf of HD's to make it go...
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[15:04:35] gardengnome: 80MB/S? my samsung hard disk can do 65M/s, so a raid 1 of those would suffice
[15:04:39] GreyFoxx: huh ? Not I said 80Mbit, not MegaBYTE
[15:04:55] GreyFoxx: that too
[15:05:31] sm007h: gardengnome: what model HD do yu have?
[15:05:41] sm007h: tricky tricky
[15:05:42] quicksilver: yeah, modern hard disks will do 40–80M/sec typically
[15:05:49] mintee: omg, here we going again... just for the record, mb = megabit MB=megaByte
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[15:05:51] quicksilver: depends on the rpm and how close you are to the centre of the disk
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[15:06:01] Borromini: hdparm -Tt will tell you how much you got :-)
[15:06:02] mintee: b=bit; B=Byte
[15:06:14] Paladine: hehe this search engine project is getting nuts
[15:06:19] sm007h: lol, yeah, for a second
[15:06:24] Paladine: http://www.paladine.org.uk/problem.txt
[15:06:27] gardengnome: sm007h: SAMSUNG SP2514N
[15:06:39] GreyFoxx: Timing cached reads: 1348 MB in 2.16 seconds = 624.30 MB/sec
[15:06:40] GreyFoxx: Timing buffered disk reads: 286 MB in 3.02 seconds = 94.69 MB/sec
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[15:06:52] GreyFoxx: Just as an fyi
[15:07:06] sm007h: let's not use hdparm as a speed analyzer LOL
[15:07:17] sm007h: buffered....btw
[15:07:18] ** mintee tosses bonnie++ in the channel **
[15:07:28] quicksilver: hdparm can see past the buffers
[15:07:33] quicksilver: it's not a bad first estimate
[15:07:34] GreyFoxx: It's hardly scientific, but it shows that simple drives are not that far off
[15:07:41] sm007h: unless you've got a 16MB movie, I guess you can watch the first frame at full speed
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[15:08:03] GreyFoxx: No video has that kind of bitrate :)
[15:08:07] sm007h: bonnie, yeah, I'd go with thta
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[15:08:25] mintee: my problem with bonnie++ is that I can't read the output, lol
[15:08:30] gardengnome: mintee: same here ;)
[15:08:40] sm007h: you're using buffered reads (burst speed), to gauge how fast you can watch an hour of video?
[15:09:18] sm007h: gardengnome: your hd, for example, is udma100
[15:09:29] GreyFoxx: sm007h: Huh? Who said anything about an hour of video? You made it sound like a miracle to get that kind of speed from adrive
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[15:09:33] sm007h: there is no possible way you're going to get anywhre near what you think you are for any longer than a few seconds
[15:09:39] GreyFoxx: No comment was made on data size, placement on the drive or anything else
[15:09:44] sm007h: we're talking about streaming videos.....
[15:09:47] gardengnome: sm007h: indeed. you mumbled something about saturating a gbit link or something.
[15:09:56] quicksilver: 94 looks a bit steep but it's not that high
[15:09:58] ** w0ls0n waves to mintee **
[15:10:08] quicksilver: his drive will probably do 80MB sustained I would guess
[15:10:09] sm007h: that's what we're talking about...what you can yank from a 16mb buffer for a second is irrelevant
[15:10:13] GreyFoxx: sm007h: Yeahs, an 80MEGABIT, is nothing
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[15:10:20] quicksilver: if the data is mostly contiguous
[15:10:24] mintee: AverMedia A180 == good HD card sm007h
[15:10:36] Chicago: Anybody wanna talk about the development of the music interface for the mythweb gui? I'd like to see some changes to the way it works.
[15:10:45] sm007h: keep it in context, instead of pulling things from yo butts
[15:10:47] GreyFoxx: Let along that HDTV will never be above 19MEGABIT
[15:11:07] BULLE: GreyFoxx: why wont it ?
[15:11:17] GreyFoxx: BULLE: It's the max in the HDTV specs
[15:11:18] ** sm007h is talking about streaming video over the hdhomerun.... **
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[15:11:21] SavageOne: having trouble getting my remote that came with my pvr150 to work
[15:11:26] GreyFoxx: the next gen will kill that of course
[15:11:32] BULLE: GreyFoxx: what hdtv specs ?
[15:11:36] seth|laptop: what is this 1080p, I have been seeing about?
[15:11:52] sm007h: seth, it's nonsesene ;)
[15:11:55] GreyFoxx: BULLE: Alas I don't have a library sitting next to me :)
[15:11:56] sm007h: or $10,000
[15:12:04] sm007h: whichever way you wanta look at it :D
[15:12:06] BULLE: seth|laptop: its what blueray players will output
[15:12:09] SavageOne: I used knoppmyth and it went through the configuration etc and asked me what remote I was using and "hauppage pvr 150 with remote" was in the list and I chose it
[15:12:17] GreyFoxx: BULLE: I read it in several specs, and when reading variou s DVB specs for myth's support
[15:12:18] SavageOne: how does one actually set up the remote
[15:12:19] BULLE: sm007h: a ps3 will do 1080p, and its expensive, but not close to 10k usd
[15:12:26] SavageOne: do I need to program each button or is it like a template
[15:12:31] BULLE: GreyFoxx: okies, i will take your word for it
[15:12:44] sm007h: yes, that is true. ps3 will do that. but you have to watch it on something, and that's where the 10K comes in
[15:12:52] BULLE: sm007h: nah, not close
[15:12:56] sm007h: sure thing
[15:13:01] sm007h: show me the money
[15:13:11] GreyFoxx: So back to the start, if your 100mbit lan, can't stream 19mbit (max, likely lesS) then you have issues or just a really busy lan)
[15:13:11] sm007h: I have a 50" plasma...1080i
[15:13:15] BULLE: sm007h: i can go down to the local electronics store and buy a 40" 1080p capable lcd tv for around 2500usd
[15:13:32] sm007h: bs
[15:13:39] BULLE: sm007h: eg, it can handle 1080p, and has a physical resolution of 1920x1080
[15:13:40] SavageOne: bulle: for that money get yourself a big projector hehe
[15:13:42] BULLE: sm007h: no bs
[15:13:43] sm007h: 1080p 'capable'
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[15:13:59] BULLE: SavageOne: yeah
[15:14:06] sm007h: means it won't wonk out on the signal. you wont' be watching it without frames
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[15:14:32] caitlin: probably an old/silly question, flame away, i just need a yes or no really:
[15:14:34] BULLE: sm007h: the local sony center, even have one up and running, being fed 1080p from a blueray player
[15:14:59] caitlin: if i run a diskless frontend booting into an NFS mounted root, can i put my tuner card in the frontend and have it write to the backend?
[15:14:59] sm007h: but was it displaying in true 1080p? I doubt it, but maybe, just maybe.....
[15:15:10] BULLE: yes it was displaying it in true 1080p
[15:15:10] SavageOne: I'm more for quantity of movies the quality rofl
[15:15:17] BULLE: SavageOne: yeah
[15:15:21] SavageOne: I'm mostly into comedy so the resolution isn't a huge deal for me
[15:15:30] SavageOne: I've got my 30" sony from college
[15:15:30] SavageOne: ;)
[15:15:38] SavageOne: if I could get my remote going that'd be nice tho
[15:15:48] robbins876: what remote?
[15:16:12] sm007h: you wouldn't know from watching it, lol, we'd have to look at the specs...and even then, not like sony's ever trumped up their products... :D
[15:16:40] GreyFoxx: caitlin: Yup, you can
[15:17:06] caitlin: that solves the problem of moving the telly wall socket then :P
[15:17:10] BULLE: sm007h: its not only sony that sells 1080p capable screens here
[15:17:24] BULLE: sm007h: i have seen sony, philips, and amoi in the local store i was in earlier today
[15:17:26] sm007h: please stop using the capable adj. ;)
[15:17:29] sm007h: that means something...
[15:17:36] sm007h: and it doesn't mean 1080p
[15:17:46] quicksilver: 1080p capable means it receives 1080p and throws away 90% of the data and displays shit instead
[15:17:50] quicksilver: :)
[15:17:56] sm007h: it means it can accept the signal. I'd lik to see a true dot-to-dot 1080p
[15:17:59] BULLE: yeah, 1920x1080 physical resolution and it will accept a 1080p signal via hdmi
[15:18:03] quicksilver: which is what all the TVs sold in the UK do, I believe. Most of them anyway.
[15:18:10] sm007h: quicksilver ;)
[15:18:53] sm007h: I don't know, I only know what my experience has been and all the people over at htpcnews and avsforum
[15:19:04] sm007h: which is basically what quicksilver said
[15:19:06] quicksilver: I'm just rehashing anecdotes and prejudices
[15:19:14] quicksilver: but I don't believe anyone is selling true 1080p in the UK yet
[15:19:23] quicksilver: I could well believe it might be different in the US or .jp
[15:19:25] BULLE: they do here, in sweden
[15:19:34] sm007h: well, grab a computer, and try to output 1:1 pixel and you'll see it's not wive's tales
[15:19:36] quicksilver: I'm quite surprised about sweden but I'll take your word for it :P
[15:19:47] BULLE: i can provide you with simple links to the biggest radio/tv resellers homepages, if you want
[15:19:54] BULLE: and, i have been there, and been looking at them
[15:20:14] sm007h: BULLE: how would you know if it was showing 1080i or 1080p?
[15:20:23] sm007h: or 720p for that matter?
[15:20:40] BULLE: sm007h: i just checked the screens osd
[15:20:44] quicksilver: BULLE has 120Hz eyes with an internal resolutiona analyzer
[15:20:49] BULLE: no
[15:20:49] sm007h: LMAO
[15:20:49] quicksilver: he is a cyborg!
[15:20:52] quicksilver: (a .seborg?)
[15:20:57] sm007h: fukn swedes
[15:21:01] SavageOne: robbin: it's the one that comes bundled with the pvr 150 from hauppauge, ti's gray
[15:21:12] sm007h: never can tell when you're talking to a swedish borg ;)
[15:21:34] BULLE: its not my fault you live in countries that dont get new technology fast
[15:21:59] sm007h: BULLE: well, ok, but I would only just warn you that the OSD and paper specs are not entirely accurate when you dig down into the internals.
[15:22:06] sm007h: hmm
[15:22:11] sm007h: well, I guess that's true
[15:22:25] sm007h: I only wish we californians would get something that wasnt circa 1972
[15:22:46] sm007h: ;)
[15:22:55] sm007h: damn hippies
[15:22:58] SavageOne: anyone anyone? remote setup
[15:23:01] SavageOne: how do you setup any remote
[15:23:34] Borromini: lirc docs?
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[15:23:42] quicksilver: I'm very surprised to hear .se listed as a country that got technology first, since I thought the order was generally .jp, .us, .uk. Interesting certainly.
[15:24:16] sm007h: hey, that's .us .jp .tv .ca .nz .uk .... :P
[15:24:20] SavageOne: I read some stuff
[15:24:27] SavageOne: but it was about manually configuring the buttons
[15:24:30] SavageOne: my basic ones don't work
[15:24:36] sm007h: or proablyb taiwan, korea, china, us, then uk
[15:24:39] SavageOne: seems to me there must be a template or something for the common hauppauge remotes
[15:25:27] robbins876: SavageOne, when you run irw, does it give you any output?
[15:25:44] BULLE: quicksilver: i think lots of tv companies have launched their newest and top of the line tvs here, since we are in the middle of turning of the analog tv net, and going all dvb
[15:25:59] BULLE: quicksilver: so peopel are buying new tvs like mad
[15:26:24] quicksilver: ah
[15:26:28] seth|laptop: HD for everything, what a concept
[15:26:29] quicksilver: that does make a lot of sense
[15:26:30] sm007h: I just can't believe that hdtv won't saturate a 100mb network
[15:26:34] ** seth|laptop wants to move **
[15:26:38] quicksilver: sm007h: it won't
[15:26:42] quicksilver: beleive it :)
[15:26:45] robbins876: I'm going to buy a new TV around christmas... 50" Samsung LCD DLP 1080p
[15:26:53] sm007h: even this poster on the page says his usb tv tuner slogs the network
[15:26:56] quicksilver: SDTV almost works over wireless
[15:26:59] quicksilver: (not quite)
[15:27:11] seth|laptop: My SD works over wireless
[15:27:14] ** quicksilver nods **
[15:27:17] sm007h: so does mine
[15:27:23] quicksilver: I meant .11b
[15:27:28] sm007h: but I don't even see how they're comparible
[15:27:33] quicksilver: .11g you have a bit more bandwidth to compare
[15:27:35] sm007h: well now, 11b
[15:27:44] seth|laptop: my HD only works well whem I am within 30ft of the router though, oh, mine is 54G
[15:27:45] sm007h: might as well said that it won't carry a signal on breath
[15:27:53] quicksilver: well my point was that if SDTV almost runs off a 11Mb network
[15:28:01] quicksilver: it's hardly surprising that HDTV runs of 100M
[15:28:04] quicksilver: it's not 10x the bandwidth
[15:28:06] quicksilver: nothing like
[15:28:08] sm007h: ?
[15:28:12] quicksilver: it's something like 5–6x the bandwidth is it not?
[15:28:23] SavageOne: dude
[15:28:36] SavageOne: even on the bulk quantities it's cheaper with voiplink.com
[15:28:51] SavageOne: 10 of the 320s bought individually were 150 less then if i bought the bulk box from your guys
[15:28:52] SavageOne: so funk that
[15:28:54] sm007h: I wish you guys would do a network analyses and see just what your thruput is, because you sure sound like your'e getting some amazing speeds.
[15:29:04] Borromini: :P
[15:29:21] sm007h: not to mention not like anyone would want to use their network for anything else ;)
[15:29:24] GreyFoxx: sm007h: So on a 100mbit network, what sort of transfer do you expect to get between 2 pc's over say an ftp ?
[15:29:36] quicksilver: if the pcs are fast enough and have decent cards
[15:29:41] quicksilver: you get 8MB/sec or so
[15:29:41] GreyFoxx: assuming a switch, and not a ton of other stuff going on
[15:29:55] sm007h: I'd think the bottleneck would be the harddrive
[15:30:03] quicksilver: not with recent HDs
[15:30:07] sm007h: yeah, probably around 8MB
[15:30:07] GreyFoxx: sm007h: Not at these speeds
[15:30:12] quicksilver: any HD in the last couple of years can sustain 20–30MB/sec
[15:30:15] sm007h: not at what speeds?
[15:30:22] sm007h: sustain?
[15:30:23] sm007h: ok
[15:30:29] GreyFoxx: 8MegaBYTE over network capable of 10MEGAbytes
[15:30:32] GreyFoxx: is pretty good
[15:30:42] GreyFoxx: I get closer to 10, but still 8 is good
[15:30:50] quicksilver: I get 400K/sec over .11b
[15:30:50] sm007h: GreyFoxx, check your sentence ;)
[15:30:54] quicksilver: which is not duplex
[15:31:16] quicksilver: I generally get around 8M between 2 machines on the same 100M network
[15:31:28] quicksilver: have seen a little higher but I don't recall what the max I ever saw was
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[15:31:43] GreyFoxx: sm007h: What part is unclear ?
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[15:31:50] sm007h: given that GreyFoxx is stating that HD is around 19MB, you're halfway there...
[15:31:55] GreyFoxx: No
[15:31:56] GreyFoxx: NO
[15:31:56] GreyFoxx: no
[15:31:57] GreyFoxx: no
[15:31:59] BULLE: hehe
[15:32:01] GreyFoxx: 19MEGABITE
[15:32:02] BULLE: 19 megaBIT
[15:32:03] GreyFoxx: damn
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[15:32:04] Borromini: 80 MB on a 100 Mbit network is pretty much the max average throughput
[15:32:06] GreyFoxx: BEGABIT
[15:32:08] sm007h: GreyFoxx: what is the difference between megaBYTES and MEGAbytes, to your mind?
[15:32:10] Borromini: qué
[15:32:35] sm007h: because thta's what you wrote, lol
[15:32:36] GreyFoxx: sm007h: 19MEGABIT max HDTV bitrate, NOT 19MEGABYTES
[15:32:45] GreyFoxx: I wrote 8megabyte is good on a 10megabyte network
[15:32:52] Borromini: MB != Mb
[15:32:55] sm007h: you think HDtv is 19mb max bitrate?
[15:32:55] quicksilver: HD is 19Mb
[15:33:01] GreyFoxx: sm007h: It is
[15:33:09] mintee: is there an easy way to determine the diffference in analog and digital. I know that sounds like a stupid question, but I don't know the difference.
[15:33:10] quicksilver: i.e. 2.3MB or thereabouts
[15:33:18] ** mintee awaits the bashing **
[15:33:23] quicksilver: mintee: analog signals normally have 'speckles'
[15:33:33] sm007h: GreyFoxx, go look at your sentence again. I was just teasing, but I knew what you meant.
[15:33:35] quicksilver: unless you have an exceptionally strong signal/good tuner
[15:33:53] quicksilver: mintee: digital signals never have 'speckles' but sometimes have mpeg artifacts (squares)
[15:34:11] GreyFoxx: sm00t: Other than capitalization my sentence was correct :)
[15:34:18] sm007h: omg, no it was not
[15:34:22] GreyFoxx: <GreyFoxx> 8MegaBYTE over network capable of 10MEGAbytes
[15:34:30] mintee: quicksilver, ah, i see. so let's say i have channels 2–13, could channel 2,3,4,5,8,9,11 be analog while 7,10,12,13 are digital?
[15:34:32] GreyFoxx: or are you referring to the missing s?
[15:34:33] sm007h: you said that MEGAbyte was different from megaBYTE
[15:34:48] sm007h: I can't scroll up, I don't even care. read the log
[15:34:49] GreyFoxx: what ?
[15:35:04] GreyFoxx: Your thickness added to my typos doesn't mix well :)
[15:35:05] quicksilver: mintee: not normally
[15:35:10] sm007h: sure thing buddie
[15:35:23] mintee: quicksilver, so usually it's all digital or none?
[15:35:23] quicksilver: mintee: but maybe with certain odd STBs I don't know about
[15:35:31] sm007h: when you run out of evidence, you resort to insulting my intelligence?
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[15:35:43] quicksilver: are we talking cable? satellite? over-the-air/
[15:35:45] sm007h: because you can't spell, I'm thck?
[15:35:52] mintee: quicksilver, i have comcast and I only pay $8 a month for basic service, (cable)
[15:36:17] sm007h: I'm still trying to see where this 19Mb max bitrate is.
[15:36:30] mintee: quicksilver, but, when i canceled my digital service the service man said he was supposed to climb the pole and disconnect most of my service, but he was too lazy too, so he left it
[15:36:33] sm007h: so far, I'm seeing camcorders capable of 35Mb, so now I'm really curioius
[15:36:39] GreyFoxx: Hehe if you think I'm gonna go hunt down the specs have fun, feel free to doubt it all you want
[15:37:18] quicksilver: http://nedron.net/fom_server/cache/62.html
[15:37:20] GreyFoxx: Actually I will correct myself, I was wrong, it's 24Megabits, NOT 19Megabits as I stated
[15:37:21] quicksilver: it wasn't hard
[15:37:29] quicksilver: 3rd hit from 'hdtv bitrate' in google
[15:37:29] GreyFoxx: http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/Xplore/login.jsp?u . . . 00935324.pdf
[15:37:33] sm007h: like I said, I'm surious about tihs 35Mb camcorder then
[15:37:45] quicksilver: it probably doesn't encode as aggressively?
[15:38:00] quicksilver: maybe the camcorder doesn't have the hardware to compress it as much as the TV channels do
[15:38:33] BULLE: sony hd camcorder ?
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[15:38:37] sm007h: well then, we're talking about something else entirely...compression versus maximum bitrate of a standard...which is what greyfoxx was arguing for
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[15:38:45] sm007h: BULLEL: yeah
[15:39:05] quicksilver: well the HDTV standards have compression 'built-in' do they not?
[15:39:20] sm007h: yes
[15:39:21] quicksilver: so the fact that ATSC mandates 19.3Mb/sec includes the compression
[15:39:35] sm007h: the current standards
[15:39:45] quicksilver: a camcorder won't use the ATSC standard, it will use whatever amount of compression it can conveniently do with the hardware available
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[15:39:54] quicksilver: and they probably ship a computer CD with it which can transcode
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[15:39:56] quicksilver: (I would guess)
[15:40:01] sm007h: if I could quote, I'd quote greyfoxx saying that HD will "never" exceed 19Mb
[15:41:00] sm007h: and we haven't even touched the sound yet
[15:41:01] GreyFoxx: and it wont, obviously new standards are irrelvant as they ahaven't been written
[15:41:11] sm007h: sure thing
[15:41:21] GreyFoxx: though there is a ultahdtv on the go which will replace hdtv one day
[15:41:24] sm007h: given that most of my HD content is in 5.1
[15:41:33] quicksilver: 16:10 <+GreyFoxx> Let along that HDTV will never be above 19MEGABIT
[15:41:38] quicksilver: there you go
[15:41:41] quicksilver: quoted him for you :P
[15:41:49] sm007h: ;)
[15:41:56] GreyFoxx: And it wont, it will be a new standard at that time
[15:42:00] sm007h: lol
[15:42:08] GreyFoxx: just like a DVD wont exceed 10–12megabit
[15:42:10] sm007h: it won't be high definition tv?
[15:42:19] sm007h: it will be holographic tv?
[15:42:30] sm007h: UHDtv?
[15:42:35] GreyFoxx: yes
[15:42:39] sm007h: SDHDTV?
[15:42:46] sm007h: super-duper-high-def
[15:43:02] GreyFoxx: Just like HD DVD, and Bluy behind higher res and bitrate doesn't change that fact that a DVD will not be more than 10–12mbit
[15:43:10] sm007h: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H264
[15:43:14] GreyFoxx: they are different specs
[15:43:21] mintee: OMGWTFBBQHDTV :D
[15:43:25] Zider: GreyFoxx: 9800kbit is max for a DVD I believe
[15:43:31] BULLE: BBQ!
[15:43:38] Chicago: Zider: That's the MPEG-2 max I think.
[15:43:51] GreyFoxx: Zider: 9800kbit is pretty much 10mbit
[15:43:52] BULLE: Chicago: medium level at medium profile ?
[15:44:01] Zider: GreyFoxx: but not 10–12 ;)
[15:44:19] sm007h: well, cool, we've established thta the HDhomerun can probably handle 10 second silent videos
[15:44:23] sm007h: at max bitrate
[15:44:26] BULLE: Chicago: because mpeg2 is specced as a set of levels and profiles, dvd being medium level and medium profile, but you can easily do hdtv in mpeg2
[15:44:28] sm007h: :D
[15:44:32] BULLE: Chicago: with the right profile and level
[15:45:30] Chicago: BULLE: cool... I never saw an MPEG-2 capture rate any higher with my equipment... then I got one that would do 16000 or something... so maybe I have no idea.
[15:46:18] sm007h: what I'm worried about is that 8 channels of dolby max at 18Mbit/s and you say that HDTV maxes at 19Mbit/sec
[15:46:31] sm007h: so now we're at 40Mb/sec
[15:46:32] Zider: ah, 9800kbit ismax VIDEO bitrate..
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[15:47:10] BULLE: sm007h: i bet that that 8channel dolby format is not allowed for the ATSC hdtv specs
[15:47:10] Zider: sm007h: isn't that 18Mbit uncompressed?
[15:47:23] sm007h: no
[15:47:40] sm007h: 7.1 isn't allowed for broadcast?
[15:48:04] Zider: 18Mbit sounds like alot if you comparedto dvd audio
[15:48:55] BULLE: 18mbits is for true hd, right ?
[15:49:07] sm007h: now are we interested in this hdhomerun purely for broadcast stuff? because I use my htpc for all media needs. so just because it can handle broadcast, I need it to handle dvds and dvd-audio, superaudio, and etc,.
[15:49:13] BULLE: so that is for hd-dvd and blueray only, its definitivley to new to be in ATSC
[15:49:58] sm007h: the point I'm trying to discuss is whether this device is worth paying $200 for given that it may not handle the formats around the corner
[15:50:00] Zider: BULLE: he didn't mention any video, only 8 channels dolby:P
[15:50:24] fryfrog: sm007h: anything you buy *now* is not likely to handle "formats around the corner"
[15:50:30] sm007h: lol
[15:50:33] sm007h: that's not true
[15:50:36] fryfrog: and all the hdhomerun does it *recieve* HDTV via OTA or QAM
[15:50:40] sm007h: it wouldn't be a problem if they had put a giga swtich on it
[15:51:10] sm007h: recieves *two* channels
[15:51:51] mintee: did you guys say that Air2PC-ATSC HDTV card works well?
[15:51:52] sm007h: and outputs to as many computers as are on the network
[15:51:55] seth|laptop: well the nice thing I see about the HDHomerun is 1. doesn't require pci slots 2. has dual tuners 3. does OTA and QAM – I know I can get HD-OTA cards for $40 each, but then I would need 2 pci slots. My matx boards only have 2, so I would need to build a slave to handle the cards, .vs just plugging the thing into the router, and watching it.
[15:52:39] fryfrog: mintee: I use a pair of the gen5's in my box (the ones taht are ~$120
[15:52:46] mintee: seth|laptop, does the HDHomerun decode NTSC as well?
[15:52:52] sm007h: seth: I agree. that's a tossup. but I would like the exact device with a giga switch on it so I could stream to more than one computer ;)
[15:52:58] mintee: fryfrog, oh, i was looking at these, http://cgi.ebay.com/Air2PC-ATSC-Digital-HDTV- . . . cmdZViewItem
[15:52:59] fryfrog: mintee: the $40 ones on ebay don't do *QAM* (cable), maybe you need it maybe you don't
[15:53:01] ** seth|laptop uses a pair of gen 2's in my frontend **
[15:53:08] mintee: ah
[15:53:09] sm007h: I don't
[15:53:15] sm007h: qam is over cable?
[15:53:17] fryfrog: er, maybe i have gen3s
[15:53:25] seth|laptop: yes QAM = needs cable
[15:53:30] sm007h: screw that
[15:53:37] sm007h: everything good to me is broadcast
[15:53:42] sm007h: free == good to me ;)
[15:53:44] seth|laptop: right I will take free over $5 or $10 a month anyday
[15:53:50] mintee: you mean, if i have comcast cable it is QAM?
[15:53:56] seth|laptop: but I only get the networks, no scifi, or discovery, etc
[15:53:58] sm007h: not necessarily
[15:54:00] fryfrog: sm007h: let me clarify, QAM is the *encryption* they use
[15:54:09] fryfrog: well, not encryuption but... encoding?
[15:54:12] sm007h: lol
[15:54:16] sm007h: I think it is encryption
[15:54:25] fryfrog: cable companies send the HD unencrypted, for free
[15:54:28] sm007h: the Q == encryption
[15:54:44] fryfrog: if you just pay for basic cable, you'll *get* the hd channels that are FTA also
[15:54:45] sm007h: A == a$$holes
[15:54:54] sm007h: basic cable/
[15:54:54] fryfrog: M == Money? :)
[15:54:58] sm007h: yep
[15:55:08] seth|laptop: comcast here, sends the signal over the wire for free, and you need their box to watch it, so I will stick with OTA
[15:55:10] mintee: is the HDHome run just a network device?
[15:55:17] sm007h: I don't think you get basic cable and then hd
[15:55:18] fryfrog: for example, my $120 QAM cards get *only* 6 HD channels
[15:55:21] sm007h: it's extra over here
[15:55:37] fryfrog: my $10/mo HD STBs get like 8 or 9 HD channels ( and all the SD ones)
[15:55:50] fryfrog: sm007h: they just send the FTA channels all the time
[15:55:58] fryfrog: I think it is a federal law
[15:56:06] sm007h: but you need something to decode it?
[15:56:08] fryfrog: NBC, ABC< CBS, etc
[15:56:11] sm007h: oh
[15:56:17] mintee: how does the HDHome run connect to the PC?
[15:56:18] sm007h: digital cable tho, not basic cable
[15:56:18] fryfrog: *not* like ESPN or Discovery
[15:56:20] seth|laptop: mintee: yes, it would require a network cable, and a switch
[15:56:34] sm007h: I don't get digi basic out of the wall
[15:56:40] seth|laptop: might work direct with a crossover, I am not sure
[15:56:40] sm007h: I do with an antenna tho
[15:56:44] mintee: seth|laptop, so what are the drivers for it then? obviouls not v4l or dvb
[15:56:53] fryfrog: sm007h: I am *prety* sure that it comes in on the cable *no matter what* you sign up for
[15:57:15] Borromini: i'm out guys
[15:57:15] Borromini: bye
[15:57:17] seth|laptop: probably for windows boxes, for setting it up
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[15:57:19] fryfrog: since with cable, it is your STB that determines what chans you get now a days
[15:57:37] fryfrog: at least, for the most part now-a-days with modern cable cos
[15:57:39] sm007h: but you need something to recieve it
[15:57:51] fryfrog: sure, that is a QAM air2pc card
[15:57:53] sm007h: it's a modulated signal. dunno abuot "encryption"
[15:57:55] fryfrog: or any other with QAM
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[15:58:32] fryfrog: They don't actually *encrypt* the FTA channels (ie, the ones you'd get with an areal) and I think this is due to a federal law (but i'm no lawyer)
[15:58:35] sm007h: OIC what you're saying
[15:58:37] seth|laptop: my guess is the HDHomerun would need to be configured, the driver disk would be used for windows to talk to it, to set it up,?
[15:59:02] fryfrog: so basically, if you don't *want* to throw up an arial and you already have cable... you can prolly get the *free* hd channels
[15:59:21] sm007h: not me
[15:59:21] fryfrog: in my case, i'd need a *huge* arial and i'd have to rewire my house :p
[15:59:39] sm007h: on campus, we are fed from a satellite dish
[15:59:47] fryfrog: but if you are getting HD from cable...
[15:59:49] sm007h: even over here in graduate housing
[15:59:53] sm007h: I'm not
[15:59:57] fryfrog: you may as well get a STB with firewire so you can record *all* channels
[16:00:32] sm007h: the only HD channels I get are OTA. but I just have a little tiny amped ant
[16:00:50] sm007h: but I'm near enough Los Angeles to not worry about it
[16:01:14] fryfrog: i kind of forgot what we are talking about :)
[16:01:15] sm007h: the only thing I need to worry about is being in the tech backwaters ;)
[16:01:21] fryfrog: besides cable vs. ota
[16:01:43] sm007h: I don't get HD over my cable feed
[16:01:48] sm007h: that's what I'm talking about
[16:01:51] fryfrog: ah
[16:01:55] fryfrog: in relation to what?
[16:02:00] sm007h: but I'm not connected to a cable system
[16:02:03] fryfrog: what sort of card *you* should get in order to do HD?
[16:02:07] sm007h: like COX or whatever you guys have
[16:02:13] sm007h: yeah
[16:02:14] fryfrog: comunistcast :p
[16:02:30] fryfrog: I'd go with a pair of gen2 air2pc cards for $40 each
[16:02:44] fryfrog: drivers are built into kernel for .17 and .18 I know 100%
[16:02:45] sm007h: I just need a dual tuner that I'll hoook up to my ant
[16:02:49] fryfrog: prolly .16 and .15 too
[16:02:58] sm007h: whos way back there ;)
[16:03:03] ** seth|laptop works with .16 **
[16:03:06] sm007h: anycase, do they have a dual tuner model?
[16:03:08] seth|laptop: me
[16:03:12] fryfrog: I don't *think* there are any dual tuner cards for HD, besides hd homerun
[16:03:25] fryfrog: sm007h: i'm pretty sure i've not seen a "PVR500" equiv in the HD realm
[16:03:26] ** sm007h peeks in his server **
[16:03:41] fryfrog: but, $80 for 2 cards is cheaper than you'd find a dual tuner card for
[16:03:48] sm007h: hard to find a pvr500 in the sd realm. that card fkn rocks
[16:03:57] mintee: sm007h, "The Simple Answer: Once you are in the 3.2 Ghz P4-class of CPU you should have no issues with viewing HDTV."
[16:04:09] seth|laptop: $80 plus $12 to keep them cool, hehe air2pc cards run hot
[16:04:15] mintee: that's taken straight from mythtv.org, so it is my CPU that's bottlenecking,
[16:04:15] fryfrog: oh?
[16:04:31] fryfrog: I've not done anything specific to cool them, but it is in a nice server case
[16:04:40] sm007h: mintee: too bad, you're probably on agp, too
[16:04:49] fryfrog: mintee: I run HD from a 2.4ghz dual cpu xeon as well as a "3000+" amd64
[16:04:56] ** seth|laptop is glad he never bought an intel chip **
[16:05:04] ** sm007h concurs **
[16:05:04] brad_mssw: dvico fusion DVB-T Dual Digital 2 has 2 tuners ...
[16:05:09] brad_mssw: don't know if it's in the US though
[16:05:14] fryfrog: so it doesn't *really* take 3ghz, since the amd cpu is prolly like 2.0ghz :)
[16:05:14] sm007h: yeah, I think I was looking at the fusion
[16:05:19] seth|laptop: P4 2.4, can not do what a amd643200+(2GHz) cpu can
[16:05:38] mintee: 2.4ghz dual cpu xeon != 2.4 P4
[16:05:47] mintee: "For 1920x1080i->1920x1080p with the better deinterlacing methods done in real time a 2.4GHz CPU is taxed, but should work if you use "Bob and Weave" deinterlacing, or if you have an NVIDIA card with MPEG-2 hardware acceleration. If you enable the hardware acceleration, you may be able to use a 1.8GHz processor."
[16:05:56] fryfrog: I think a single 2.4ghz would do it, but i'td be close
[16:06:10] mintee: enable the hardware acceleration???
[16:06:15] fryfrog: xvmc
[16:06:17] sm007h: mintee: isn't that saying you can do it?
[16:06:23] mintee: i've installed the newest nvidia drivers
[16:06:25] fryfrog: mintee: what cpu you are using that HD isn't playing well?
[16:06:30] seth|laptop: load glx for nvidia, not sure what the ati equivallent is
[16:06:33] seth|laptop: and use xvmc
[16:06:34] sm007h: oh, you do have an nvidia card?
[16:06:38] fryfrog: mintee: you still need to tell myth to *use* xvmc
[16:06:39] mintee: fryfrog, older P4 2.4
[16:06:41] sm007h: xvmc
[16:06:47] sm007h: I'm going to have to add that to my use flags
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[16:06:52] mintee: XvMC?, yeah, i am
[16:06:57] fryfrog: my 2.4 xeons are old too, like 400mhz fsb or something
[16:07:00] seth|laptop: what version of mythtv?
[16:07:11] mintee: seth|laptop, there is no glx for the new nvidia's iirc
[16:07:17] sm007h: I have xv
[16:07:19] mintee: .20
[16:07:22] ** seth|laptop never got xvmc to work welll in .20 mythtv **
[16:07:27] sm007h: glx is no longer necessary
[16:07:35] ** seth|laptop switched back to ffmpeg, and one filed de-int. **
[16:07:47] seth|laptop: one field even
[16:07:48] fryfrog: i gave up on xvmc, it was making my OSD in greyscale!
[16:07:58] mintee: ffmpeg == ? one the myth FE?
[16:07:58] sm007h: hmm, I'm going to check it out
[16:08:03] seth|laptop: cpu 56% X 13%
[16:08:15] mintee: *ahem.. sorry
[16:08:23] fryfrog: my biggest problem currently is IOBOUND errors
[16:08:28] mintee: ffmpeg == what filter on the myth FE?
[16:09:13] seth|laptop: filter?
[16:09:28] seth|laptop: I just set it to that in Utilities > Setup > TV > TV PLayback
[16:09:35] mintee: eh... yeah, under the playback settings
[16:09:40] seth|laptop: it is the option between standard and xvmc
[16:09:46] mintee: ffmpeg isn't an option on mine
[16:09:54] mintee: i have, libmpeg? is that it?
[16:09:54] seth|laptop: ??
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[16:10:07] seth|laptop: yes
[16:10:09] seth|laptop: my bad
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[16:10:23] seth|laptop: it probably says that on mine too, I made an error
[16:10:28] mintee: ah, no no, no worries, my lack of names
[16:10:57] sm007h: dmn spendy tho
[16:11:21] sm007h: fusion hdtv dual digital2 is the winner?
[16:11:26] mintee: yeah, well that wouldn't help out with my already maxed out cpu
[16:11:45] seth|laptop: xvmc may be maxing your cpu
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[16:12:06] seth|laptop: made mine fly up around 80 and 90%
[16:12:09] mintee: i tried turning off all filters, xvmc, libmpeg etc
[16:12:27] seth|laptop: ah
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[16:13:31] sm007h: I can't find a dual digital2 for sale, tho
[16:13:45] ** seth|laptop was hoping for a link, hehe **
[16:14:04] sm007h: http://www.custompc.co.uk/custompc/reviews/87 . . . digital.html
[16:14:10] sm007h: thre's a review at least
[16:14:22] mintee: http://www.sundialmicro.com/dvico_fusion_hdtv . . . 828_760.html
[16:14:29] mintee: i don't htink that dual though
[16:14:50] sm007h: the "dual digital" ;)
[16:15:07] sm007h: and that's last years model, I guess. the website shows a dual digital2
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[16:15:29] sm007h: http://fusionhdtv.co.kr/ENG/Products/DualDigital.aspx
[16:15:53] sm007h: the remote is a nice feature. save me some frustration
[16:16:04] ** mintee points at the co.kr **
[16:16:07] sm007h: hmm, never mind. this card will be in my server, lol
[16:16:11] GreyFoxx: One of these days I need to pickup one of those and see what if any of the local digital feed is in the clear. With my luck none and I'll end up reselling on ebay :)
[16:16:28] mintee: i'll sell you mine GreyFoxx
[16:16:43] GreyFoxx: I didn't see, which model to you have?
[16:16:52] mintee: pcHDTV-5500
[16:17:04] GreyFoxx: Do they do QAM ?
[16:17:08] mintee: yes
[16:17:17] GreyFoxx: I've been thinking of a fusion 5 lite
[16:17:34] GreyFoxx: mostly cause they seem cheap and according to the dvb mailing list work well
[16:17:51] mintee: heh, well, yeah, the 5500, not so much ;)
[16:18:00] sm007h: but they don't seem that much cheaper than the fusion non-lite?
[16:18:04] GreyFoxx: don't wanna spend much since I might not get any QAM channels in the clear and we have no ATSC at the moment
[16:18:19] sm007h: what was that darn card again? for $40?
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[16:18:30] mintee: I get plenty HD channels with basic basic cable
[16:18:35] sm007h: I can just get that while i'm looking, make the wifey happy
[16:18:40] mintee: if that's what you mean by QAM
[16:18:45] GreyFoxx: Was n't the main difference between lite and non lite basically the remove ?
[16:18:52] sm007h: I bet that's the case
[16:19:04] GreyFoxx: minthome: QAM is the modulation scheme used when broadcasting digital cable
[16:19:08] seth|laptop: http://cgi.ebay.com/Air2PC-ATSC-Digital-HDTV- . . . cmdZViewItem
[16:19:15] GreyFoxx: at least it's what almost all use here in NA
[16:19:51] mintee: GreyFoxx, I'm in NJ
[16:19:59] sm007h: free shipping?
[16:20:04] seth|laptop: yep
[16:20:05] sm007h: is it always free shipping?
[16:20:15] seth|laptop: has been for the past few months
[16:20:16] mintee: seth|laptop, I thought someone said that that card doesn't support QAM
[16:20:25] seth|laptop: it doesnt support QAM
[16:20:28] seth|laptop: OTA only
[16:20:32] mintee: right
[16:20:42] cipher_nemo: j-rod: any news of when you'll update fedora mythology page? btw, I've linked it in my blog and on the TiVo community forum :)
[16:20:47] mintee: OTA = over the air = antenna, correct?
[16:20:50] ** seth|laptop doesn't even have cable where he lives **
[16:21:13] sm007h: hmm, older model without tuner sens. and multipath updates?
[16:21:21] sm007h: that could be a problem for me
[16:21:43] sm007h: mutlipathing would most likely cause an issue in metro places, I think right?
[16:21:45] j-rod: cipher_nemo: not sure atm, just got back from vacation today, buried in catch-up at work
[16:22:17] ** mintee now knows much more about Quadrature Amplitude Modulation than he ever wanted to **
[16:23:12] sm007h: hmm, the remote upgrade is decent all in itself
[16:23:21] ** mintee goes to lunch **
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[16:23:28] sm007h: but what's with the serial connection? does the signal just bounce off the wall?
[16:23:31] mintee: bbl
[16:23:46] fryfrog: I put a serial extension cable on mine and put it near the tv
[16:23:54] fryfrog: i dunno what it would do if i had it in the back
[16:24:08] sm007h: the usb is $141
[16:24:11] sm007h: $14
[16:24:12] fryfrog: obviously they didn't put much thought into *that*
[16:24:17] sm007h: lol
[16:24:35] sm007h: BUT, I would go for that usb dongle. that would kick ass
[16:24:55] sm007h: with my harmony remote, I could cruise from the htpc to the server and etc
[16:25:14] sm007h: I wonder if they'd keep the crap remote
[16:25:28] sm007h: just what I need, another crap remote to litter the bottom of the coffee table
[16:25:32] ** seth|laptop Harmony Remote arrives on Friday :-0 **
[16:26:52] sm007h: now I'm back to the homerun
[16:26:52] ** seth|laptop wonders if it comes with an ir receiveer, or if it will talk to the one that came with the pvr150 card **
[16:27:01] sm007h: that does look nice, given that it does QAM
[16:27:14] fryfrog: it'll talk to the one on the pvr card
[16:27:19] sm007h: harmony remotes don't come with recievers, afaik
[16:27:22] fryfrog: my harmony did *not* come with a usb/serial ir reciever
[16:27:23] sm007h: mine didn't anyway
[16:27:28] seth|laptop: cool
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[16:27:34] fryfrog: course, mine was the $75 one
[16:27:49] fryfrog: in fact the "mythtv" entry mimics the pvr350 extended remote
[16:27:55] ** seth|laptop 880 $154 w/free shipping at Amazon **
[16:28:02] sm007h: but still, who knows enough to know whether I can hook up my reciever to my htpc and control it thru the serial port?
[16:28:23] sm007h: mine is the 880
[16:28:30] seth|laptop: cool
[16:28:38] fryfrog: why not just use the harmony remote on the reciver?
[16:28:51] fryfrog: wait, control the HTPC with reciever? or reciever with HTPC?
[16:29:27] fryfrog: i suspect the latter is possible, former not so much though
[16:29:29] sm007h: yeah, control the htpc via serial from the pre/pro's ir receiver
[16:29:35] seth|laptop: I was just going to use the "passthrough" to control my a/v receivers volume, I read it can do that
[16:30:30] sm007h: really, it's not so much using the pre/pro to control the htpc, I just want to utilize the ir receiver and pass it through the serial port.
[16:32:02] francesc1: where can I find mythtv 0.20 ubuntu dapper package (or debian)?
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[16:35:04] sm007h: hey, well, I'm going to take off. thanks for the help and lively discussion ;)
[16:35:08] sm007h: ttyl
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[17:59:46] emily_: "undefined reference to 'glXGetVideoSyncSGI'"....anyone?
[17:59:58] Anduin: emily_: A fix was just applied to -fixes
[18:01:03] emily_: Anduin: ahh..so how do I apply it? Sorry I'm still a bit of a newbie
[18:01:54] Anduin: emily_: Are you building from svn or from downloaded tar files?
[18:02:39] emily_: Anduin: using portage...
[18:04:38] Anduin: emily_: probably better to wait, http://cvs.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/11610 is the fix if you are handy with patch
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[18:06:05] emily_: Anduin: How long do you think it will be until portage gets the fix?
[18:06:34] emily_: oh, I see..it's because of the new mesa
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[18:06:44] Anduin: emily_: I don't know
[18:07:11] emily_: so if I replace the vsync.cpp with the one on that page and recompile, it should world?
[18:07:15] emily_: work rather
[18:07:25] Anduin: and vsync.h, yes
[18:08:05] emily_: ok...thanks! I'll go bug some gentoo gurus *grin*
[18:08:52] Anduin: Cardoe actually submitted a chunk of that patch so it should be easy to get it updated.
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[18:12:26] fryfrog: emily_: edit your ebuild to include the patch
[18:12:28] fryfrog: it is very easy
[18:12:52] fryfrog: make a "local" copy in /usr/local/portage/media-tv/mythtv/
[18:13:01] fryfrog: edit the file, add a line like the "epach" that is already there
[18:13:07] fryfrog: and put the diff file in the "files" directory
[18:13:14] fryfrog: I used that method to make my HD buffer larger
[18:14:33] emily_: fryfrog: sorry about the slow reply. someone gave me a link about how to create overlays, was reading it
[18:15:31] emily_: fryfrog: so find the downloaded files in the portage dir, copy them to the overlay directory and replace the files with the new ones?
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[18:16:12] fryfrog: erm, sort of?
[18:16:20] fryfrog: hang on i'm doing it myself righ tnow
[18:16:27] fryfrog: i'll give you a link to the ebuild and .patch file
[18:16:39] fryfrog: in the mean time, mkdir -p /usr/local/portage/media-tv/mythtv/files/
[18:16:44] fryfrog: that'll get you ready :)
[18:16:52] emily_: thanks...anything you can do..I might need a bit of handholding, but at least I can follow directions pretty well
[18:18:18] emily_: fryfrog: did that.
[18:18:43] emily_: fryfrog: or rather, just did that.
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[18:21:27] fryfrog: nm, it seems that patch doesn't apply cleanly
[18:21:34] fryfrog: I think that gentoo already applies something similar
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[18:22:42] Anduin: fryfrog: If it is what Cardoe submitted then emily_ shouldn't be seeing the issue.
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[18:24:16] emily_: should I resync my emerge? I havn't done that in a couple weeks — maybe the new patch will be included then?
[18:24:53] fryfrog: yeah, try syncing
[18:24:57] fryfrog: what version are you using?
[18:25:06] emily_: fryfrog: how can I tell?
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[18:25:13] fryfrog: media-tv/mythtv-0.20_p11444
[18:25:20] fryfrog: "emerge -va mythtv"
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[18:25:29] fryfrog: er, -pv would be better for that
[18:25:34] fryfrog: since you don't want to compile it :)
[18:25:59] emily_: media-tv/mytthv-0.19_p10505
[18:26:07] fryfrog: ah, erm
[18:26:10] emily_: so, yeah, i'm behind
[18:26:13] fryfrog: you aren't even using 0.20 :)
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[18:26:18] emily_: heh thats what you get with a noob :-)
[18:26:21] fryfrog: you probably need to unmask 0.20
[18:26:25] emily_: so emerge sync will update that?
[18:26:26] fryfrog: did you *just* setup mythtv?
[18:26:27] seth|laptop: at least you know what to do now, hehe
[18:26:35] fryfrog: yes and no
[18:26:44] fryfrog: are you an experienced gentoo user?
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[18:27:25] emily_: so what is the exact unmask command? I add it to package.keywords, right?
[18:27:39] fryfrog: that depends too :)
[18:28:00] fryfrog: if you are running "x86" or "amd64" you'll need to list all the mythtv stuff in package.keywords *and* package.unmask
[18:28:01] jduggan: the ir transmitter on the pvr150's, anyone made it control a sky box before?
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[18:29:03] emily_: fryfrog: running 686...but no harm in adding to both i'd assume
[18:29:43] emily_: so add ~media-tv/mythtv-0.20_p11444?
[18:29:53] fryfrog: emily_: in /etc/make.conf, there is an "ACCEPT_KEYWORDS" line
[18:30:08] fryfrog: that is eitehr ~x86 or x86 or amd64 or ~amd64
[18:30:14] fryfrog: the ~ means "unsable" basically
[18:30:19] fryfrog: or "testing"
[18:31:19] fryfrog: put http://pastebin.ca/221466 <that into your package.unmask and package.keywrods
[18:31:21] fryfrog: er, words
[18:31:31] fryfrog: you don't need any version info or ~s
[18:31:45] emily_: don't have an accept keywords in my make.conf...
[18:31:49] fryfrog: BUT, this will upgrade you from 0.19 to 0.20
[18:31:56] fryfrog: then you use x86
[18:32:03] fryfrog: or amd64 (stable, what ever)
[18:32:19] fryfrog: you can look at make.conf.example for the more advanced stuff that can go in there
[18:32:25] emily_: so I use x86 even though I'm i686?
[18:32:39] fryfrog: its just the *platform*
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[18:32:52] fryfrog: ie, "amd64" is 64bit, "x86" is 32bit
[18:32:54] emily_: ok...thought so, but better to ask before I hose it *grin*
[18:32:57] fryfrog: ppc would be power pc, etc
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[18:34:44] emily_: can't find my package.unmask Just create it in /etc/portage?
[18:34:50] fryfrog: yes
[18:35:17] fryfrog: once you are done syncing, you should pick up the updates with "emerge -uDNav world" but that'll upgrade *everything*
[18:35:46] fryfrog: if you just want to update mythtv, do an "emerge mythtv <blahblah>" including all the extras you use like mythdvd, etc
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[18:38:21] emily_: fryfrog: ok..added...re-emerge?
[18:38:32] fryfrog: did you sync up?
[18:38:41] fryfrog: no sense "updating" to current from two weeks ago :p
[18:38:51] emily_: so emerge --sync?
[18:38:58] fryfrog: sure
[18:39:03] fryfrog: i like esync
[18:39:07] emily_: esync?
[18:39:13] fryfrog: did you install esearch or ccache?
[18:39:21] emily_: no
[18:39:29] fryfrog: if you ever search for packages, esearch is much faster than "emerge -s"
[18:39:51] fryfrog: maybe later when its all done "emerge esearch ccache" and make your life a little easier :)
[18:39:55] emily_: so changes in package.unmask, etc, don't "take effect" until you emerge sync?
[18:40:06] emily_: fryfrog: thanks :-) I'll do that
[18:40:06] fryfrog: no, incorrect. they are instant
[18:40:37] fryfrog: but if you are going to spend 30 minutes compiling a new version of mythtv... it might as well be the latest eh?
[18:40:46] emily_: ahhh...I see
[18:41:20] fryfrog: The problem with syncing (and updating) every week or two is that there are *sooo* many updates :(
[18:41:49] fryfrog: I usually sync and "emerge -uDNav world" daily, but i'm a junky :)
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[18:42:52] emily_: well, lets hope this new version has the fix :-) i'ts syncing now
[18:42:58] emily_: thanks for all the help you're giving me...
[18:43:08] fryfrog: did you *just* setup myth?
[18:43:15] fryfrog: or have you had it running for a whiel?
[18:43:32] emily_: I've run it on fedora before...but not on gentoo
[18:43:34] fryfrog: and... any specific reason you picked gentoo? it isn't really what i'd call a "beginners" distro :)
[18:43:58] emily_: I've been using fedora for years, heard Gentoo let you get under the hood a bit.
[18:44:05] fryfrog: if i hadn't been using it for the past 3 or so years, i'd have picked ubuntu or fedora
[18:44:38] fryfrog: the only more under the hood you could get would be LFS :p
[18:44:40] emily_: I've found my undestanding of linux was diminished because I couldn't see what was really going on when I did things. Figured gentoo would helpthat
[18:44:51] fryfrog: ah, that is certainly true
[18:45:01] fryfrog: its one of the things i like about gentoo :)
[18:45:10] fryfrog: but it sure doesn't make an "easy" mythtv distro :)
[18:45:13] emily_: that's how I learn *shrug* I have to know why.
[18:45:24] fryfrog: i have "got to run the latest" disease :)
[18:45:51] dtm: fryfrog: bless you for being honest enough to acknowledge the disease
[18:45:59] dtm: i can dig that.
[18:46:21] fryfrog: ahahha
[18:46:23] dtm: emily_: guess what... it's all free software. nothing allows or prevents you from getting under the hood.
[18:46:46] kormoc: dtm, well, in a way, rolling your own fedora kinda sucks...
[18:46:53] dtm: why?
[18:47:34] kormoc: well, I don't like fedora's apache setup, to change it, I'd need to roll my own self compiled rpm for every version update
[18:47:36] emily_: dtm: yeah, but fedora did so much for me it was making me lazy :-)
[18:47:42] kormoc: same with php and mysql and friends
[18:47:49] kormoc: it gets to be quite a bit quite fast
[18:47:55] dtm: no, no distro makes or prevents you from being lazy.
[18:47:55] kormoc: gentoo makes it a lot easier to manage imho
[18:47:58] dtm: that's just you.
[18:48:22] fryfrog: thats not true
[18:48:28] fryfrog: gentoo *forces* you not to be lazy
[18:48:41] dtm: kormoc: so what? that doesn't make any sense. so that's just what you do. you do it once and it's done, like anything else.
[18:48:59] dtm: nothin more than spec files and rpmbuild or mock.
[18:49:06] RaYmAn-Bx: fryfrog: how? Only the install requires(required?) manual work really.
[18:49:29] dtm: i'm not debating anything; just replacing disinformation with information.
[18:49:50] fryfrog: RaYmAn-Bx: obviously your gentoo box has never ate your ass hard :)
[18:50:05] dtm: omg.
[18:50:08] emily_: fryfrog: indeed. I never actually compiled the kernal until I installed gentoo
[18:50:27] RaYmAn-Bx: fryfrog: indeed. Both my gentoo server and my gentoo mythbox has been very nice to me.
[18:51:26] dtm: i'd like to know how much a lazy person who needs to be forced by negative reinfor4cement, is really learning. are they learning about how to maintain and build free software or are they memorizing how to navigate gentoo's machination?
[18:51:52] dtm: that's sayin more of "i don't want to learn; i want to feel like i learned."
[18:51:54] fryfrog: dtm: depends on the person of course
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[18:51:56] dtm: in other words, ricing.
[18:52:01] dtm: fryfrog: k
[18:52:13] emily_: mythtv .20 is installing now
[18:52:15] dtm: i'll take your word for that.
[18:52:16] fryfrog: dtm: everything *I* do in gentoo is learning, i apply it in many other areas
[18:52:25] fryfrog: solaris, redhat, blah blah
[18:52:37] fryfrog: but of course there *are* people that just memorize the steps
[18:52:38] opello: even if you don't necessarily apply it 'everywhre else' it could still be learning
[18:52:51] fryfrog: which isn't learning :/
[18:53:21] dtm: learning without generalization...hmm...
[18:53:43] fryfrog: Of course, I'm a systems administrator so I have to know linuxey stuff :)
[18:55:56] kormoc: dtm, not really, the difference between building a rpm the way I like it for *every* version change, vs setting a use flag and having gentoo remember the way I like it means it involves *a lot* more to maintain a custom setup under fedora then under gentoo
[18:56:35] dtm: kormoc: if you say so... fedora developers don't "build an rpm".. they use the automated, distributed build system called mock.
[18:56:46] dtm: and plague
[18:56:50] kormoc: that's a part of it, yes
[18:57:35] dtm: part of what?
[18:57:41] dtm: that's the whole build system.
[18:57:46] kormoc: but say putting a custom patch or disabling/enabling build options, it involves editing spec files and all that jazz
[18:58:19] dtm: ok i'm not functionally literate in mock yet so i'll respond to that later ;)
[18:58:21] kormoc: where as I just say, echo "www-server/apache -ldap +openldap" >> /etc/portage/package.use && emerge apache
[18:58:43] kormoc: and that remembers that I want openldap rather then just ldap for *every* update to apache in the future
[18:59:04] dtm: so how does it know what version you want, if you didn't individually set that?
[18:59:11] kormoc: it doesn't, that's the point
[18:59:17] dtm: not a good point!
[18:59:21] kormoc: gentoo's build system preferences is version independant
[18:59:25] dtm: not one for a professional environment
[18:59:31] dtm: that's a huge bug, not a feature.
[18:59:39] kormoc: I'm not arguing gentoo for professional environment
[18:59:46] kormoc: I'm aruging it in a personal envirnment
[18:59:58] kormoc: as you shouldn't be learning what goes on under the hood in a pro envirnment anyway
[18:59:58] dtm: well then the argument is worthless anyway, hehe
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[19:00:11] dtm: you shouldn't be abandoning the concept of versioning in any environment
[19:00:13] opello: kormoc: it *can* be version independent
[19:00:17] dtm: nor of quality assurance
[19:00:20] opello: you can set a version on the atom if you want
[19:00:22] dtm: that's just senseless.
[19:00:27] kormoc: sure if you want opello
[19:00:37] opello: just noting the flexibility
[19:00:41] kormoc: but I just want every update to apache to build with openldap support rather then ldap support
[19:00:45] dtm: opello: yeah and you'd do it in a file, individually, per package, if you're in the slightest bit sane. just like any other distro.
[19:00:47] kormoc: dtm, what's wrong wit that?
[19:00:57] kormoc: dtm, you do it in a file
[19:01:13] dtm: nothing wrong with it, other than abandoning global QA... it's just not unique
[19:01:16] dtm: as you say it is
[19:01:26] dtm: bbl
[19:01:45] kormoc: global QA?
[19:01:49] ** kormoc shrugs **
[19:01:58] kormoc: I'm my own QA for my home boxes personally
[19:02:00] ** kormoc shrugs **
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[19:18:40] REyM: Hey, I used svn to get the latest mythtv, but do I have the latest freebox patches too?
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[19:20:17] banyan: Is it normal for ivtv to report an insane quantity of interrupts in /proc/interrupts?
[19:21:17] banyan: My pvr350 is using 50% of cpu (sys) to play back to the TV via the TV-Out. I'm trying to figure out why.
[19:22:30] banyan: but I am coming up dry.
[19:22:51] emily_: fryfrog: yay! mythtv installed with no errors
[19:24:27] banyan: 2.6.18–1.2200 kernel with 0.8.0 is the combo doing this. 2.6.17–1.2187 played back using ~ 0% cpu.
[19:25:07] banyan: I am, in short, puzzzzzled. and stymied as to what to look at next.
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[19:31:32] emily_: "Unable to connect to database!" "Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock'
[19:31:36] emily_: any ideas?
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[19:32:43] seth|laptop: have you run mythtv-setup, to verify the correct location/hostname for the mysql server
[19:32:50] banyan: what distro you using emily_?
[19:33:08] emily_: seth|laptop: It's giving me the above error when I run mythtv-setup
[19:33:13] emily_: banyan: gentoo
[19:33:17] seth|laptop: hrm
[19:33:28] seth|laptop: is the mysql server running?
[19:33:45] emily_: seth|laptop: yes
[19:33:54] emily_: I can get to it by just typing mysql
[19:34:00] seth|laptop: stop it and restart?
[19:34:17] emily_: i'll try that
[19:34:36] banyan: there's a mysql.txt file that has a bunch of stuff in it that needs to be correct and the file has to be in the right place.
[19:34:50] awolf: I have a mythbox that uses a pchdtv 5500 and a pvr-150 for cable and OTA HDTV. it is a a64 3500+ and an nvidia 6200. I am having difficulting finding settings that let both 720p stations and 1080i stations work correctly. I'm using svideo out to a cheap tv.
[19:35:30] seth|laptop: awolf: "work correctly"
[19:35:40] emily_: restarting didn't help
[19:35:45] seth|laptop: are you talking about filling the screen?
[19:35:55] emily_: hold on...I think I have an idea
[19:36:18] ** banyan gets the epidural needle ready **
[19:36:20] awolf: Sorry. I'm having difficulty getting them to output smoothly in myth. the recording is fine, because I can play them back on the same box with mplayer smoothly.
[19:36:20] banyan: heh
[19:37:01] seth|laptop: awolf: which version of mythtv .19 or .20
[19:37:02] emily_: it seems to be working now...
[19:37:09] seth|laptop: emily_: what did it?
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[19:37:19] awolf: Since I can play them back easily in mplayer, I *hope* to be able to play them back smoothly in myth.
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[19:37:57] emily_: seth|laptop: I didn't import the database *blush* I knew it had to be done, but since I didn't see it in the wiki thought maybe the new version did it automatically
[19:38:05] banyan: you're using your tv out from the nvidia?
[19:38:14] awolf: Yes.
[19:38:15] seth|laptop: ah
[19:39:08] seth|laptop: emily_: that actually compiled rather quickly, you must have a good system, hehe
[19:39:19] seth|laptop: awolf: which version of mythtv
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[19:39:25] awolf: .19
[19:39:57] seth|laptop: are you using standar, lidmpeg, or xvmc as tv playback ?
[19:40:12] seth|laptop: ack standard, libmpeg, or xvmc
[19:40:16] ** seth|laptop can't type **
[19:40:17] awolf: I've been alternating between libmpeg and xvmc
[19:40:27] awolf: 720p works great with xvmc, and 1080i works great with libmpeg
[19:40:31] seth|laptop: distro?
[19:40:37] awolf: knoppmyth, but i'm not averse to linux
[19:40:47] ** seth|laptop is a knoppmyth user **
[19:40:55] Hoxzer_: yeah
[19:41:01] Borromini: is knoppmyth easy?
[19:41:05] mjelva: i've installed mythvideo. shouldn't it be showing up in the mythtv menu or something?
[19:41:07] ** seth|laptop run apt-get update, apt-get install mpeg2dec, and apt-get install ffmpeg **
[19:41:13] Borromini: i've been willing to try it myself... heck i even downloaded it
[19:41:18] awolf: I had to blacklist some kernel modules to get my pchdtv tuner card working
[19:41:22] awolf: and it didn't phase me
[19:41:23] ** seth|laptop knoppmyth is the easiest **
[19:41:42] seth|laptop: which version of knoppmyth?
[19:41:42] awolf: what should mpeg2dec
[19:42:05] seth|laptop: mpeg2dec will update your standard playback to include the fixes for amd64 cpu's
[19:42:09] awolf: i'm using the latest
[19:42:17] awolf: ok. Sounds good. I'll try that tonight. Thanks a bunch.
[19:42:22] banyan: I don't know how you can change something that basic on the fly with the nvidia tv-out. maybe you can.
[19:42:38] seth|laptop: ffmpeg will update your libmpeg player, however if you are using R5D1, you may never get xvmc to work right
[19:42:42] emily_: ok, the dreadded video for capture card is not detecting...anyone?
[19:42:54] emily_: err..video capture..not video for capture
[19:43:10] mjelva: noob question: how do i use mythvideo?
[19:43:22] seth|laptop: awolf: I use libmpeg and one field de-interlacing, but I am running R5C7, no issues with amd64 cpu's
[19:44:02] seth|laptop: mjelva: meaning for playback .vs the internal, or meaning in general?
[19:44:39] mjelva: seth|laptop: i've got mythfrontend running. shouldn't there be a mythvideo menu option or something?
[19:44:50] scopeuk: not if it isent instlalled
[19:45:06] seth|laptop: mjelva: yes, its under Media Library > Watch Videos
[19:45:18] seth|laptop: or that
[19:45:24] banyan: can you snap between 720p and 1080i on the fly on the tv-out?
[19:46:11] mjelva: ah. i need a media player installed, tho, rite? mythvideo is just a frontend?
[19:46:54] seth|laptop: well if you installed/built all of the mythplugins, its already there
[19:47:50] seth|laptop: and if it is .20 mythtv It should be set to "Internal" in your Utilities > Setup > Media Settings > Video Settings > Playback
[19:47:51] emily_: anyone? I have a pvr 150 and myth isn't detecting it... how can I check if it's installed?
[19:48:02] seth|laptop: emily_: ivtv-detect
[19:48:08] seth|laptop: run that
[19:48:45] emily_: seth|laptop: command not found
[19:48:47] ** scopeuk hands seth|laptop some water hes very busy tonight **
[19:48:50] emily_: seth|laptop: emerge it?
[19:48:51] seth|laptop: run as root
[19:48:55] emily_: seth|laptop: I did
[19:49:08] ** seth|laptop wonders if it is not installed **
[19:49:17] seth|laptop: emerge iv-tv
[19:49:19] fryfrog: might not be part of gentoo's ivtv package
[19:49:24] seth|laptop: not sure the gentoo packagename
[19:49:25] fryfrog: stop :)
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[19:50:03] ** seth|laptop remebers now why he likes knoppmyth so much, hehe **
[19:50:09] emily_: seth|laptop: i just did emerge ivtv ..it's installing
[19:50:23] seth|laptop: I would have listened to fryfrog
[19:50:29] fryfrog: emily_: did you already have ivtv installed? what kernel are you using? what version of ivtv?
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[19:50:39] fryfrog: the "ivtv" pcakges does not have the file set was talking about
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[19:50:44] emily_: fryfrog: oops, didn't see you're reply until I had already started emerging
[19:50:50] fryfrog: its okay, it won't hurt
[19:51:09] emily_: 2.6.17
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[19:51:15] ** seth|laptop can remember running that on his gentoo box **
[19:51:25] fryfrog: and the version of ivtv?
[19:51:39] fryfrog: seth|laptop: maybe it was part of another package? or an old version of ivtv?
[19:51:45] emily_: it just installed ivtv — 0.6.3
[19:51:56] emily_: well it didn't intall it
[19:51:59] seth|laptop: it would ahve been old, my gentoo box still runs .19 and kernel 2.6.12
[19:51:59] fryfrog: okay, a 2.6.17 kernel requires ivtv 0.7.x
[19:52:00] emily_: it failed
[19:52:06] ** seth|laptop is a gentoo slacker **
[19:52:07] emily_: heh that's why...
[19:52:14] fryfrog: 2.6.18 needs 0.8.0
[19:52:23] emily_: so add it to my package mask and keywords and emerge again?
[19:52:36] fryfrog: yes, but *this* one you will need to include a version
[19:52:39] fryfrog: so...
[19:52:52] fryfrog: =media-tv/ivtv-7*
[19:52:54] fryfrog: in both
[19:53:02] fryfrog: er, sorry
[19:53:05] fryfrog: -0.7*
[19:53:19] fryfrog: that way you'll get the "latest" version of the 0.7 series
[19:53:49] emily_: ok..re-emerging
[19:54:07] fryfrog: are you getting 0.7?
[19:54:13] fryfrog: "emerge ivtv -va"
[19:54:18] emily_: it's installing .7.1..and it failed...
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[19:54:32] fryfrog: put the output at pastebin.ca
[19:54:38] emily_: CONFIG_VIDEO_WM8775 is not set when it should be
[19:54:39] fryfrog: and summarize the reason for failure here :p
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[19:54:51] fryfrog: ah, you need to finish setting up your kernel correctly
[19:54:52] emily_: same for CX25840, SAA7111X and SAA7127
[19:54:59] mirak: hi, I get that error, Access denied for user 'mythtv'@'localhost' (using password: YES)
[19:55:02] seth|laptop: kernel recompile
[19:55:08] fryfrog: mirak: mysql problem
[19:55:13] mirak: I am wondering why a pasword is needed, I though auth was hostname based
[19:55:40] fryfrog: you need to include all the extra decoders/encoders at the bottom of the video 4 linux section
[19:55:51] fryfrog: mirak: a password is needed because you have set it with a password
[19:55:59] fryfrog: if you remove the password, it won't be needed
[19:56:01] mirak: fryfrog: ok I forgot one step, ubuntu doesn't do the mysql grant rights
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[19:56:05] fryfrog: ah
[19:56:18] mirak: fryfrog: for who ? the whole base or just mythtv user ?
[19:56:31] fryfrog: erm, i don't know what you mean by"base"
[19:56:37] mirak: database
[19:56:49] fryfrog: it all depends on how you set it up
[19:57:05] fryfrog: on my system, i have a 'mythtv" user that has a password *and* a host restriction of being on my local lan
[19:57:08] ** seth|laptop might have to go home and install gentoo on his laptop tonight. **
[19:57:22] fryfrog: you could have it w/o a password if you like, or w/o a host restriction
[19:57:25] fryfrog: or w/o either
[19:57:32] fryfrog: but you gotta set that up
[19:57:32] mirak: fryfrog: ok I needed to set a password on mythtv user to run myth-setup
[19:57:49] mirak: could it be the problem ?
[19:57:58] emily_: seth|laptop: I have to recompile my kernel?
[19:58:06] fryfrog: are you confusing mysql with system user/pass?
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[19:58:17] fryfrog: it is easy to do since you have a "root" mysql and system username
[19:58:21] seth|laptop: I beleive so, you are missing some v4l stuff
[19:58:24] fryfrog: and most have a "mythtv" mysql and system username
[19:58:31] mirak: fryfrog: that's the main mythtv flaw, it's not simple
[19:58:33] fryfrog: emily_: yes, you need to do what I told you
[19:58:35] emily_: seth|laptop: alright...let me see here
[19:58:46] ** seth|laptop fryfrog: ah, you need to finish setting up your kernel correctly **
[19:58:53] fryfrog: mirak: yes, that is one of mythtv's major drawbacks. its the hardest damn thing i've ever installed :)
[19:59:10] emily_: fryfrog: ahh..I see where you said that. Sorry..missed it
[19:59:20] ** seth|laptop fryfrog: you need to include all the extra decoders/encoders at the bottom of the video 4 linux section **
[19:59:28] seth|laptop: :-)
[19:59:29] fryfrog: i mean, you have to setup mysql, apache (for mythweb), get tv cards working (which aren't exactly wilkdly propular!)
[19:59:44] kormoc: I didn't find it that hard
[19:59:46] ** kormoc shrugs **
[19:59:49] mirak: fryfrog: and it's not the first time I install it ...
[19:59:56] fryfrog: :)
[20:00:18] fryfrog: sure, but is installing mythtv as easy as *just* installing apache or mysql?? :)
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[20:00:36] fryfrog: I suspect the only thing harder than mythtv is asterisk :)
[20:00:47] kormoc: fryfrog, well, I had apache and mysql installed long before I ever heard of myth
[20:00:54] fryfrog: meh too :)
[20:01:04] fryfrog: it helps to already be familiar with parts of it
[20:01:22] fryfrog: but how many people that are looking for a "free" tivo have had apache/mysql/kernel driver level experience?
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[20:01:27] fryfrog: well, probably a lot :)
[20:01:31] ** kormoc laughs **
[20:01:32] fryfrog: but... you know what i mean
[20:01:38] ** seth|laptop thats why there is koppmyth, hehe **
[20:01:45] seth|laptop: knoppmyth even
[20:02:28] kormoc: heh, yeah
[20:03:13] fryfrog: gentoo, it surely *isn't* what i'd use starting from scratch :)
[20:03:56] fryfrog: oh crap, i'm 30 minutes late leaving work!
[20:03:58] fryfrog: see you suckers
[20:04:37] awolf: seth|laptop: do playback HD stuff?
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[20:04:43] seth|laptop: yes
[20:04:51] seth|laptop: Live and recorded
[20:05:03] awolf: Hmm. The weird part is that it seemed to work perfect up until a week ago
[20:05:20] awolf: When I tried to record Lost, I guess. But besides Lost, I don't watch any 720p content, so that might be it.
[20:06:15] seth|laptop: well I don't know from 720p to 1080i, I run my mythbox inot a 3 year old 43" 4:3 television, and set TV playback to "fill" my screen
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[20:06:56] seth|laptop: otherwise, when I watch an HD broadcast, my commercials only take up the very center of the screen :p
[20:07:39] seth|laptop: my suggestion is either set TV Playback to "Fill" or become familiar with the "W" button, to switch Aspect ratios, hehe
[20:09:43] mjelva: seth|laptop: any idea why i'm getting sound when i start mplayer from commandline, but not when i start it via mythvideo?
[20:10:16] seth|laptop: you using analog sound, i.e no digital spidf or toslink, stuff?
[20:10:43] mjelva: not sure. i suppose i should visit the audio setup.
[20:10:46] mjelva: how do i kill this playback?
[20:10:57] seth|laptop: in mmyth, hit ESC
[20:11:02] mjelva: hmm
[20:12:52] awolf: it isn't that I have problems with the aspect ratios or the size, but I can't get 720p to play smoothly. Hmm. xvmc gives me audio crackles.
[20:13:25] awolf: An A64 3500+ is fast enough?
[20:13:26] banyan: is it on a separate x display?
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[20:14:06] mjelva: seth|laptop: i fixed audio. but mplayer/mythvideo doesn't respond to any keyboard input at all
[20:14:13] awolf: Yeah, seth, I think our setups are similar. I just use svideo out to an older TV, so I don't really have to worry about modeline stuff, right?
[20:14:15] mjelva: can't seek forward, pause, anything
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[20:16:36] jduggan: on a HDTV with HDMI input will a dvi->HDMI cable be of noticeable quality to a regular dsub->dsub? or svideo->svideo?
[20:17:22] kormoc: dvi -> HDMI will be better then dsub or svideo
[20:17:28] kormoc: dvi is digital
[20:17:33] kormoc: dsub/svideo is analog
[20:17:44] jduggan: yea but will it be of noticeable quality improvement?
[20:17:50] scopeuk: kormoc dvi can be digital but it also caries analog iirc
[20:18:07] seth|laptop: awolf: I am doing it with an amd64 3200+
[20:18:10] kormoc: scopeuk, sure, but in the case of going to a HDMI adapter, it's digital :P
[20:18:14] RaYmAn-Bx: isn't the problem still hdcp though?
[20:18:22] kormoc: jduggan, depends on your analog quality
[20:18:30] RaYmAn-Bx: silly downscaling unless you have a tv with 1:1 pixel mapping
[20:18:32] kormoc: jduggan, there's no hard and fast rule other then, it can be a lot better
[20:18:34] seth|laptop: awolf: I don't use modelines
[20:18:48] emily_: alright..rebooting after the kernel recompile :-) see you allon the other side...
[20:18:59] seth|laptop: mjelva: which version of myth again?
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[20:19:29] jduggan: kormoc: its scart output from my digital satelite decoder to svideo in on my pvr150
[20:19:47] jduggan: probably as good a quality signal i can hope for
[20:20:03] seth|laptop: awolf: I think 80% of your problem is knppmyth R5D1, always was flakey with amd64, but the mpeg2dec, and ffmpeg updates did help a bit
[20:20:59] kormoc: jduggan, it all depends on what other interference is around and all that
[20:21:09] kormoc: jduggan, but at the least, you should get better colors
[20:21:13] seth|laptop: awolf: also, you could schedule your commflag jobs to run at night
[20:21:25] awolf: yeah, i'm currently not commflaggin anything
[20:21:28] seth|laptop: that is if you're commflagging
[20:21:32] seth|laptop: :-)
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[20:21:48] awolf: stupid prison break was commflagging during heroes. The girlfriend was not impressed
[20:21:51] jduggan: kormoc: is there higher 'grade' or quality svideo cable you can buy which is shielded etc?
[20:22:08] kormoc: jduggan, sure, but really, you might as well just go digital then
[20:22:23] seth|laptop: but I went back from R5D1 to R5C7 and I can commflag on the fly, as well as play back all content, there is a bit of a stir with the latest release and amd64 stuff
[20:22:23] kormoc: jduggan, digital will allow HDTV and what not for the future
[20:22:28] jduggan: kormoc: my satelite decoder doesnt have digital out
[20:22:44] awolf: What tuner to you use?
[20:22:55] seth|laptop: I have 2 revision 2 air2pc cards
[20:22:57] kormoc: jduggan, ahh, well, if you google around, you can find shelded svideo without much of a issue
[20:23:06] seth|laptop: OTA only
[20:23:12] jduggan: kormoc: are you from .uk?
[20:23:58] kormoc: jduggan, nope, sorry
[20:24:01] jduggan: ah right
[20:24:05] jduggan: no problem
[20:24:26] awolf: I might have to go back to R5C7, but I think there's problems getting the pchdtv5500 working in it
[20:24:30] jduggan: any brits know if it's possible to source a sky digital HD box, but not use/pay for the HD service, just use its HDMI?
[20:24:45] scopeuk: jduggan doubtful
[20:25:18] seth|laptop: well try updating mpeg2dec, and ffmpeg when you get home, that may make it bearable
[20:25:24] seth|laptop: awolf
[20:25:35] awolf: its better, I think, with those updates
[20:26:14] jduggan: scopeuk: its totally not worth the money sky demand for hd heh, oh well, i'll stick with analogue for the next few years :)
[20:26:25] scopeuk: jduggan you aitn kidding
[20:26:37] scopeuk: they have a manopoly and are making the most
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[20:26:53] jduggan: how much is ntl/telewests HD?
[20:27:03] emily_: ok...back...
[20:27:04] scopeuk: dont know
[20:27:15] scopeuk: it happened since i left home hence i havent been watching it
[20:27:18] emily_: fryfrog: ivtv is installed...now what?
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[20:27:50] seth|laptop: can you run ivtv-detect
[20:28:01] seth|laptop: or maybe go into mythtv-dsetup
[20:28:12] seth|laptop: minus the "d" of course
[20:28:15] emily_: seth|laptop: it looks like i can run ivtv-detect. It doesn't return anything though
[20:28:26] seth|laptop: ick
[20:28:35] emily_: seth|laptop: mythtv-setup isn't finding the card either
[20:28:57] seth|laptop: welll if ivtv-detect doesn't show anything,..... which version?
[20:28:57] emily_: it's a hauppage pvr 150...shouldn't be that hard to get working..
[20:29:06] seth|laptop: of ivtv
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[20:29:16] emily_: .71
[20:29:30] emily_: .7.1 rather
[20:30:05] seth|laptop: - The ivtv 0.7.0 drivers apparently don't like certain PVR-150 and PVR-250 cards with the TCL M2523_*_E tuner chips. This appears to be a deficiency in the v4l tveeprom.c in the 2.6.17 kernel. Some people have reported success using the module options to force the tuner type
[20:30:46] seth|laptop: what is your chipset agian
[20:30:52] emily_: how can I tell?
[20:31:00] seth|laptop: lspci -v
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[20:31:52] emily_: CX23416?
[20:32:07] emily_: itvc16?
[20:32:09] seth|laptop: that sounds right
[20:32:15] seth|laptop: CX23416
[20:32:19] emily_: *nod*
[20:32:20] seth|laptop: you should be ok
[20:32:44] emily_: say kernel module problem maybe?
[20:32:47] mjelva: seth|laptop: whichever is in the ubuntu repository
[20:32:50] mjelva: i think .20
[20:32:54] emily_: there are a lot of things in there...
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[20:33:17] adamhorden: Hello
[20:33:33] seth|laptop: mjelva: check if your video player is set to Internal Utilities > Setup > MEDIA SETTINGS > VIDEO > PLAYBACK
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[20:34:50] seth|laptop: emily_: Multimedia video controller: Internext Compression Inc iTVC16 (CX23416) MPEG-2 Encoder (rev 01) that is what mine is
[20:34:58] adamhorden: I compiled mythtv from source and added mc.sql but I get this when I run mythbackend http://code.m0php.net/21 any ideas?
[20:35:36] seth|laptop: emily_: but my ivtv version is old 0.4.4
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[20:41:03] mirak: how do I make match the mythtv password in mysql.txt and the one in the database ?
[20:41:16] seth|laptop: edit the file
[20:41:26] mirak: yes, but is it encrypted ?
[20:41:34] seth|laptop: mine wasn't
[20:41:43] mirak: is it random ?
[20:41:54] seth|laptop: just said "DBUserPassword <and there it was>
[20:41:56] adamhorden: ignore me I fixed it by getting sudo apt-get install libqt3-mt-mysql
[20:42:33] Paladine: "But if one of those Wraith went to put his hand on my chest, to feed on my life energy and turn me into a Sunmaid California Raisin, I'd say 'OI! NOOOOOOO!'"
[20:42:39] ** seth|laptop check his mysql.txt, brbr **
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[20:43:54] seth|laptop: sorry syntax error DBPassword=<insert here>
[20:44:26] seth|laptop: bu that is on a slave machine
[20:44:35] seth|laptop: there is no entry on my master host
[20:46:08] emily_: do I need to do an DVB Suppor in my kernel?
[20:46:24] seth|laptop: do you have or do you plan to have a HDTV tuner card?
[20:46:27] mirak: my master=host
[20:46:29] seth|laptop: I needed it
[20:46:32] emily_: no
[20:46:45] mirak: seth|laptop: how do I make match the password ?
[20:47:09] seth|laptop: mirak: match it where
[20:47:46] mirak: database and frontend
[20:48:30] emily_: anyone know what I have to select in my kernel for a CX32416?
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[20:50:41] emily_: seth|laptop: I have the exact same card and chipset you do
[20:51:23] seth|laptop: yes, but our kernel and driver are different, that is what I am trying to figure out
[20:51:40] emily_: seth|laptop: what kernel are you using?
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[20:52:19] seth|laptop: 2.6.15-chw-2
[20:52:24] seth|laptop: knoppmyth
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[20:52:37] emily_: ahh
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[20:52:39] seth|laptop: mirak: can you log into the mysql as root?
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[20:53:14] seth|laptop: fryfrog should be back, he went home, but i will continue to look, I am not as familiar with gentoo as he is, sorry :-(
[20:54:32] emily_: seth|laptop: don't be sorry :-) at least you're trying to help. I'm completely lost here
[20:55:07] emily_: well..not completely...but I don't know much about driver installs. I've mostly used linux as a web server/file server platfor. once it's running I'd leave it alone
[20:55:09] seth|laptop: after you built your kernel, recompiled, you did a make &&make modules_install, copied the file into /boot, and changed grub correct?
[20:55:16] emily_: yes
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[20:55:30] seth|laptop: so you are booted to the newly modified kernel?
[20:55:31] emily_: then rebooted
[20:55:34] emily_: yup
[20:55:37] seth|laptop: hrm
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[20:56:04] emily_: I don't see support for my chipset in make menuconfig on my kernel though
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[20:56:16] seth|laptop: with 0.7.1 it should work, unless something was missed in the make menuconfig part, did you hard link the modules, or just "m" them
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[20:56:22] awolf: seth|laptop: the 720p is still jerky when watching live
[20:56:29] emily_: hardlinked
[20:56:38] awolf: but now, when i watch it recorded, when the tuner isn't recording, i get perfect playback
[20:56:47] emily_: I'm thinking something is missingin make menuconfig, but I don't know what
[20:56:56] seth|laptop: emily_: well that eliminates the module not loading
[20:57:29] seth|laptop: awolf: have you tried the diefferent de-interlacing modes since you updated mpeg2dec, and ffmpeg?
[20:58:56] seth|laptop: I will be back on in about an hour, I am heading home for the day. Perhaps seeing my getnoo box will help
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[20:59:20] emily_: seth|laptop: unless I did't put a * next to the module and left it blank instead. I'm thinking I need to select another one in make menuconfig. The only ones I have selected are BT848 Video for linux and SAA6588 Radio chip support, and phillips SAA7134 and 7134 with DNA Audio
[20:59:25] emily_: DMA Audio
[21:00:35] emily_: I'm noticing an conexant 2388x support..thats the closest one I can see to my chipset, but it's not selected, and it's not a 23416..
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[21:03:11] emily_: what is i2c support? do I need anything there?
[21:04:16] mirak: I try
[21:05:14] emily_: if I do a dmesg || grep btt it says the driver is loaded..
[21:07:41] mirak: the password is ok
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[21:09:18] emily_: ok! ivtv is detecting my card, but mythtv-setup isn't...any ideas?
[21:10:08] emily_: probed info: Failed to open
[21:10:18] emily_: no device tree for cardid 0
[21:10:24] awolf: Wow, this sucks. I can playback 720p when i'm not recording with the tuner.
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[21:13:37] emily_: anyone?
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[21:16:03] Anduin: emily_: Make sure ivtv is actually working (check dmesg)
[21:16:09] mirak: I can log to mysql base with mythtv password in mysql.txt
[21:16:28] mirak: but the front end fail to connect to database
[21:17:12] Anduin: mirak: your mysql.txt file is where?
[21:17:25] mirak: in /etc/mythtv/
[21:17:39] emily_: Anduin: Initialize Hauppage WinTV PVR-150, card #0
[21:17:46] mirak: -rw-rw---- 1 mythtv mythtv 78 2006-10–25 23:10 /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt
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[21:20:17] mirak: Anduin:
[21:21:15] emily_: any other thoughts?
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[21:22:09] emily_: ivtv0: Failed to load module cx23840
[21:22:15] emily_: ivtv0: Failed to load module cx25840, sorry
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[21:22:56] Borromini: emily_ check if your kernel has those module
[21:23:03] Borromini: it doesn't look like it
[21:23:18] Borromini: and cx25840 is the chip your Hauppauge card uses
[21:23:26] Borromini: * those modules
[21:23:35] Borromini: modprobe cx25840
[21:23:41] Borromini: modprobe xc23840
[21:24:37] Borromini: if you get errors it means they're not there
[21:24:40] emily_: lspci is giving CX23416 as my chipset
[21:24:45] Borromini: hrm
[21:24:49] Borromini: for the PVR150?
[21:24:50] Borromini: k
[21:24:55] Paladine: http://www.511tactical.com/index.asp?dlrID=51 . . . number=59222 <- now anyone can take out Dubyah :)
[21:25:02] emily_: argh...just a second
[21:25:06] Borromini: but the ivtv driver will need those anyway to run properly emily_
[21:25:13] Borromini: make sure your kernel has those modules
[21:25:17] Borromini: not statical – modular
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[21:27:37] emily_: when I do make menuconfig I'm not seeing them? does that mean I'm SOL?
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[21:28:02] mirak: hey
[21:28:22] mirak: I can connect to do db with mythtv password but the front end can't
[21:28:43] Anduin: mirak: if you put it in ~/.mythtv/mysql.txt (in mythtv's home) does it work?
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[21:29:47] mirak: Anduin: there is already a file there
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[21:30:29] Anduin: mirak: put the output up on one of the paste sites
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[21:31:20] Anduin: mirak: You are doing the mysql -u mythtv thing on the same box you are trying the frontend on? (as the same user)?
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[21:32:08] mirak: Anduin: hum no I tried as root
[21:32:10] banyan: anyone using 2.6.16–1.2200 with ivtv-0.8.0, and a pvr-350, where they have high CPU usage on playback via the 350?
[21:33:45] mirak: Anduin: you where right it works
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[21:34:03] jams: isn't ivtv 0.8 for kernel 2.6.18 only?
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[21:34:33] Anduin: jams: Yes, he made a typo in the kernel version
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[21:34:51] jams: ok
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[21:35:07] Borromini: emily_ what's SOL?
[21:35:43] Borromini: banyan 0.8 is intended for 2.6.18 and higher afaik...
[21:36:22] emily_: barnasc: er SOL= S**t out of luck...
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[21:36:43] Borromini: emily_ what kernel are you using? and what distro
[21:36:49] emily_: "Warning: No device tree for cardid 0"
[21:36:53] emily_: Gentoo...
[21:37:09] banyan: I'm running 2.8.18. sorry.
[21:37:19] banyan: I mis-typed.
[21:37:20] emily_: oh, I'm on a 2.6.17
[21:37:28] Scopeuk_: !trout nvidia stupidity
[21:37:28] ** MythLogBot slaps nvidia with a stupidity trout on behalf of Scopeuk_... **
[21:37:29] Borromini: emily_ okay
[21:37:37] Borromini: so you have your kernel config
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[21:37:47] Borromini: v4l device drivers
[21:37:54] Borromini: check the cx stuff as modular
[21:37:59] Borromini: recompile
[21:38:12] Borromini: multimedia devices/video4linux/drivers or sth
[21:39:14] emily_: Borromini: I can't find the cx stuff..thats part of my problem
[21:39:31] Borromini: expand your kernel tree completely
[21:39:35] Borromini: try ctrl+f
[21:39:37] Borromini: type cx
[21:39:41] Borromini: see where it takes you
[21:39:50] Borromini: you're configuring it graphically i presume?
[21:39:58] emily_: yes
[21:40:42] emily_: how do I expand it completely?
[21:40:48] Borromini: you use qtconfig?
[21:40:51] Borromini: or gconfig?
[21:41:01] emily_: I dunno. I just type make menuconfig
[21:41:01] Borromini: or qconfig... dunno how the qt utility is called
[21:41:05] Borromini: hrm
[21:41:13] emily_: it runs in a terminal window
[21:41:17] Borromini: ah
[21:41:22] Borromini: mja
[21:41:30] Borromini: well check at the main screen
[21:41:46] Borromini: emily_ you're graphical on gentoo?
[21:41:53] Borromini: or is your box setup to be CLI?
[21:42:06] emily_: Borromini: I'm running gnome if that's what you mean
[21:42:09] Borromini: i warmly recommend kernel config in GUI :P
[21:42:09] Borromini: yes
[21:42:17] Borromini: try make gconfig in gnome emily_
[21:42:19] Borromini: in a terminal
[21:42:24] Borromini: see what it tells you
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[21:42:35] emily_: oooh, much prettier
[21:42:45] Borromini: indeed
[21:42:52] Borromini: and you have expand buttons
[21:42:54] emily_: does it use the same configuration file as menuconfig?
[21:42:58] Borromini: of course
[21:43:02] Borromini: they're just multiple frontends
[21:43:05] Borromini: to one backend
[21:43:12] emily_: ahhh...boy that makes it easier..ok..search for cx?
[21:43:17] Viking1: anyone see the mythtv20-liveCD?
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[21:43:51] Borromini: yes emily_
[21:43:54] Borromini: ctrl +f
[21:44:03] Borromini: and you'll see a tiny box down right
[21:44:07] Borromini: type cx in it
[21:44:16] emily_: I do..c comes up , but cx yeilds nothing
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[21:46:16] emily_: so does that mean there is no kernal module for my chip? ivtv is detecting it...
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[21:46:36] kormoc: emily_, if it's a ivtv card, then ivtv *is* the kernel driver
[21:46:45] nordle: hellllo, anyone in the UK using tv_grab_uk noticed anything weird in the last week, like it runs but no channel data appears to be updated.....mine is full of "unknown" and "no data" now. :(
[21:46:57] emily_: kormoc: oh...ok.
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[21:48:12] granbar: If I use both mythtv's lirc configuration, and lircrc configured with irxevent, will there become conflicts at all?
[21:48:30] emily_: kormoc: well if I modprobe ivtv it seems to initialize it...but mytv-setup is saying "No device tree for cardid 0"
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[21:49:43] Paladine: emily what you getting from dmesg
[21:49:56] Paladine: it probably needs the firmware if you haven't already installed it
[21:50:05] Borromini: emily_ there is one
[21:50:06] banyan: I use the tv-out for just watching recordings. I use my monitor for the frontend and other general stuff.
[21:50:42] emily_: Paladine: "ivtv0: Initialized Hauppage WinTV PVR-150, card #0"
[21:50:52] emily_: Borromini: how do I get to it then?
[21:51:35] Borromini: it's in the kernel sources...
[21:51:43] Paladine: no errors in dmesg?
[21:51:45] Borromini: if i have it in my kernel sources, you should have it too
[21:51:46] emily_: The only errors in dmesg seem to do with the audio processor, the radio I'm assuming, which the card doesn't have
[21:52:19] Paladine: k you have the firmware installed properly then, cos it bitches like a woman (present company excluded) in dmesg if you dont
[21:52:22] emily_: ivtv0: Failed to load module cx25840
[21:52:22] emily_: ivtv0: Failed to load module wm8775
[21:52:27] emily_: that's the errors
[21:52:48] emily_: but other than that it seems happy
[21:52:56] kormoc: hrm
[21:53:02] kormoc: I thought those were built part of ivtv
[21:53:08] Borromini: no
[21:53:12] banyan: some of that might be part of the kernel.
[21:53:14] Borromini: they are part of the kernel's modules
[21:53:18] Borromini: they both are
[21:53:31] Paladine: cx25840 is the firmware
[21:53:41] Borromini: yes, but a module too...
[21:53:54] banyan: ah, so the firmware didn't get into the 150 because the load module didn't do its thing.
[21:53:55] emily_: ok, so i'm in make gconfig. I click expand, then ctrl+f and type cx...nothing comes up
[21:54:15] Paladine: emily_ what OS?
[21:54:19] Borromini: http://phpfi.com/167738 < emily_ check that out
[21:54:21] emily_: gentoo
[21:54:51] banyan: you did make menuconfig? or make xconfig?
[21:54:53] emily_: Borromini: ok..what am I looking for?
[21:54:54] Paladine: does gentoo have locate installed by default? if so do updatedb and then locate cx25840
[21:54:56] emily_: make gconfig
[21:55:01] Borromini: emily_ the three modules
[21:55:13] Borromini: wm8775 and both cx modules are there...
[21:55:18] Borromini: they're kernel modules
[21:55:46] emily_: how come I can't find them then? bad kernal configurator? I'm confused
[21:55:51] Borromini: no
[21:55:57] Borromini: well they're a lot of modules :P
[21:56:03] Borromini: so you have to look thoroughly
[21:56:08] Paladine: gentoo == #define confusion
[21:56:14] Borromini: hold on i'll fire mine up to see where it hides them
[21:56:16] banyan: It's under v4l or video4linux2.
[21:56:20] banyan: one or the other.
[21:56:27] emily_: ...alright...
[21:56:31] Borromini: yes
[21:56:34] banyan: una o l'otra.
[21:56:38] Borromini: :P
[21:56:42] Borromini: l'un ou l'autre
[21:57:30] banyan: irgendwo unter die sonne...
[21:57:38] gardengnome: s/die/der/
[21:57:45] emily_: the closest thing I can find is 2388x (bt878 successor) support
[21:58:02] banyan: I can never get those 12 words for 'the' straight.
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[21:58:26] Borromini: enable that emily_
[21:58:29] Borromini: you'll need it
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[21:58:50] emily_: alright. I enabled that and the DMA audio support
[21:59:16] banyan: what we need to come up with is a tool to get the things that you require to come to you.
[21:59:41] emily_: so recompile, reboot, try again?
[21:59:51] Borromini: no
[21:59:56] emily_: seems like something is still missing
[21:59:58] emily_: ok
[21:59:58] banyan: 'yer my computer, *you* come find *me*'
[22:00:07] Borromini: if you enable that bt878 support, you should get other modules available too emily_
[22:00:14] Borromini: expand your tree
[22:00:18] Borromini: and inspect
[22:00:21] Viking1: ?Anyone seen the Mythtv20-LiveCD??
[22:00:37] banyan: It's wherever you had it last Viking1.
[22:02:03] banyan: haw haw haw.
[22:02:31] Viking1: Lets put that on davidLetterman...?
[22:02:33] banyan: so I am the only person running fc5 with 2.6.18 and a pvr350? just my luck.
[22:02:57] banyan: u looking for where the iso is?
[22:03:15] Viking1: hell no
[22:03:17] Viking1: I made it
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[22:03:25] Viking1: I was asking if anyone wants it
[22:03:27] Viking1: :)
[22:03:34] banyan: are you wishing to share your excitement?
[22:04:10] nordle: emily_: Device drivers --> Multimedia Devices --> Tick Video for Linux --> Video Capture Adapters --> Encoders and Decoders --> WM8775 and CX2584 are there, just enable as modules.
[22:04:22] emily_: Borromini: The only thinkI can see that was aded was conexant 2388x DMA Audio support
[22:04:52] Borromini: hrm
[22:05:00] Borromini: behind that it usually states the name of the module
[22:05:06] Borromini: is it like cxblabla?
[22:05:31] emily_: nordle: ahh. I see those. They are already enabled as a check...I should change them to a -?
[22:05:33] banyan: no, since 2.6.15 it was renamed cxyadayada.
[22:06:10] Viking1: <banyan> are you wishing to share your excitement?
[22:06:15] Viking1: hardly
[22:06:25] banyan: is it a POS?
[22:06:27] nordle: emily_: Enable them as modules rather than being part of the kernel..... at least thats whats causing your error, cant load the modules if they are already part of kernel :)
[22:06:28] Borromini: emily_ make sure they're selected as a module
[22:06:35] banyan: do you wish to share your abject disgust?
[22:06:49] emily_: ahhhh! thats probably it then
[22:07:39] Borromini: :P
[22:09:01] nordle: emily_: Im only basing my answer on the two lines I read when I joined this channel, so spologies if Im way off base. But it looked like your trying to load external firmware, which it wont do as it was already selected to be built hard coded into the kernel, no room to update using any downloaded firmware etc With modules it means you can substitute them at load time with perhaps newer ones you've downloaded etc
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[22:11:21] emily_: bt8 video for linux..does that need to be a module? or just the ones under encoders/decoders?
[22:11:36] banyan: does modprobe.conf still configure the kernel's use of 'modules' that are compiled in?
[22:12:45] nordle: emily_: I tend to make everything below and including the Video For Linux bit
[22:14:18] nordle: banyan: depends on distro and kernel version. I use Slackware which only uses modules.conf for alias settings, most of the modules are loaded via /etc/rc.d/rc.modules
[22:15:03] phyber: are there any other projects like MythTV? because this fucking thing keeps letting me down :(
[22:15:16] phyber: I wnt to record something that started 5 mins ago, and it won't start recording.
[22:15:34] phyber: (I had to press Delete and Rerecord before that, because it said it was recording but wasn't doing anything)
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[22:16:19] nordle: weird, never seen that......only been using it since 0.20 release though. seems solid to me..... except this xmltv thing.
[22:16:44] banyan: It probably chose a later recording because the current broadcast already started.
[22:17:05] phyber: it's annoying. if it's not recording because of bad reception on the channel (shouldn't be the case, freeview box is fine) it should fail and give a nice message. instead of saying "recording" but not doing anything.
[22:17:45] emily_: nordle: alright, i've done that...
[22:17:48] banyan: so it doesn't show up in red, in the watch recordings?
[22:18:20] phyber: banyan: I'm using MythWeb for scueduling recordings. the box doesn't run mythfrontend.
[22:18:28] banyan: that's how current recordings show up. They're available for viewing immediately... or does it say "recording" but not do anything?
[22:18:30] nordle: emily_: By "done that" how far / what did you do, just select the stuff as "m" or....?
[22:18:32] phyber: I record stuff and just watch the .mpg on other computers.
[22:18:45] emily_: nordle: so, make && make modules_install
[22:18:52] nordle: Can anyone offer and advice as to where I should look as to why my channels have no epg data? I just ran mythfilldatabase again, seemed to complete ok. But no channel data, what gives? Where might be a source of problems I could look at? A table out of sync or something..?
[22:19:12] emily_: nordle: yes, I changed everything to an M
[22:19:25] banyan: you getting from xmltv via zap2it?
[22:19:36] phyber: nordle: heh, I had something like that. I just told it to get the channel guide out of the channel stream (freeview, uk)
[22:19:38] banyan: and you signed up for the xml service via labs.zap2it.com?
[22:19:42] banyan: oh.
[22:20:26] mirak: I am not sure how to use dvb cards with mythtv
[22:20:30] banyan: I'm not sure if theres a log file just for xmltv.
[22:20:41] nordle: emily_: I do "make all && make modules_install" then cp .config /boot/config and cp System.map /boot/System.map then cp arch/i386/boot/bzImage /boot/vmlinuz then /sbin/lilo But Im using lilo, your probably using grub, so its a little different, sounds like you know about that though :)
[22:21:15] nordle: the labszapit thiing is USA no?
[22:21:24] emily_: i'm using lilo actually
[22:21:46] banyan: It is usa. Didn't know you were in the UK.
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[22:21:53] banyan: well, north america.
[22:21:56] nordle: emily_: ahh, ok, I always assume grub, didn't thing anyone else used lilo these days :)
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[22:22:02] Borromini: hey
[22:22:05] Borromini: we use lilo too :P
[22:22:07] emily_: nordle: why System.map? I havn't done anything with that before. what is it?
[22:23:01] nordle: emily_: Im not very brainy on this, so dont think Im taking the piss when I say "its a map of the system" because thats as far as my knowledge goes on it.
[22:23:32] banyan: I think it is the list of kernel symbols.
[22:23:37] banyan: or sumpin.
[22:23:43] mirak: ok I found how
[22:23:49] nordle: dont worry too much about it, it helps the kernel to map things more quickly as i understand it, plus its automatically produced my make all, so you dont have to alter it at all.
[22:24:34] Borromini: :-)
[22:25:14] banyan: grub's kinda cooler imho.
[22:25:18] nordle: phyber: it sounds good, but Im sure ive got that option ticked and its not doing it, can you remember which screen it was, presummably under mythtv-setup rather than the utils section under mythfrontend.
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[22:26:56] Borromini: grub might be cooler
[22:27:04] Borromini: but lilo is way more intuitive as to configuration
[22:27:21] banyan: grub's more useful if something messes up.
[22:27:30] Borromini: really?
[22:27:32] Borromini: in what way
[22:27:51] banyan: ability to change the kernel parameters on the fly.
[22:27:57] banyan: or can lilo do that?
[22:28:02] Borromini: press tab
[22:28:04] Borromini: and behold :P
[22:28:07] nordle: grub can be easier, no need to manually tell it to replace kernel, graphically more impressive. But I like pointing to /dev/hda5 if thats where the distro is rather than /dev/hda5 ohh and ehh hd0/4 or something
[22:28:10] Borromini: lilo's got a console too
[22:28:39] emily_: nordle: then does it need to be done at all? I've never done it when I've compiled before. I mean, I will if it makes a difference, just like to know sort of why
[22:28:40] Borromini: grub doesn't need its config file to be parsed everytime you replace / upgrade your kernel (s)
[22:28:43] Borromini: lilo does
[22:28:44] banyan: nordle: that is confusing. (hd1,0) — whazzat?
[22:28:47] Borromini: but i don't mind
[22:28:54] Scopeuk_: hda1
[22:29:05] Scopeuk_: banyan hda1 in grub iirc
[22:29:06] banyan: it could be sda1
[22:29:13] Scopeuk_: sorry yes or hdb1
[22:29:21] Borromini: no
[22:29:26] Borromini: hd1,0 is grub language
[22:29:27] banyan: hence the problem.
[22:29:32] Borromini: lilo just uses /dev/hda1
[22:29:45] Scopeuk_: yeh which distro you on?
[22:29:52] Borromini: Zenwalk
[22:29:53] banyan: me: fc5
[22:29:55] Borromini: slack derivative
[22:29:58] Scopeuk_: shame
[22:30:07] Borromini: shame for what?
[22:30:11] Scopeuk_: there s a lovely app called boot on debian that can configure grub or lilo from gui
[22:30:17] Borromini: :P
[22:30:38] Scopeuk_: use to use it for rebuilding my grub conf after kernal updates
[22:30:57] banyan: computers would be a lot more fun if they weren't so stuuuupid!
[22:31:06] Borromini: i prefer knowing my way around in configs at my own
[22:31:10] banyan: "please point me at my brain."
[22:31:31] Borromini: because if you really get stuck, you don't always have GUI live cds at hand
[22:31:53] banyan: I saved my bacon just today with knoppix 5.
[22:31:59] Borromini: eh?
[22:32:14] banyan: locked myself out of my windows login, and used knoppix to reset the admin password.
[22:32:27] Borromini: cool
[22:32:36] Borromini: i wouldn't know how to reset a windows password :P
[22:32:41] nordle: emily_: I always do it, but as its the same kernel version your probably very safe to not copy the file over if you'd prefer not to.
[22:32:45] Borromini: linux password is a piece of cake for me though
[22:32:59] Scopeuk_: in the end i did rebuild grubproperly once nad for all but boot saved on learning
[22:33:04] Borromini: nordle there's no problem if she does
[22:33:13] banyan: plus if your machine shuts down badly and the ntfs won't boot, "INACCESSIBLE_BOOT_DEVICE", you can fix it with knoppix.
[22:33:13] Borromini: all she has to do is make sure the name's the same
[22:33:16] Borromini: and rerun lilo
[22:34:14] Borromini: man this xmltv grabber is going nuts :(
[22:34:19] Borromini: 7:30
[22:34:24] nordle: Borromini: names the same?? name of what sorry?
[22:34:34] Borromini: nordle of the System.map
[22:34:43] Borromini: it could be renamed on her system
[22:34:44] nordle: ohh yeah :)
[22:35:32] banyan: had that happen once way out in the boonies. quite happy that I had my knoppix cd.
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[22:36:24] Borromini: damn :(
[22:36:28] nordle: ok guys, Ive checked mythtv-setup and I have "Perform EIT scan" selected, so even if xmltv is not doing its job this should right? But it isn't, two channel thingys failed.....I must have done something to cause this, I cant think what..... Does the EIT rely on any other option being set?
[22:36:33] Borromini: for how many days does that thing getches its info?
[22:36:37] Savage1: what's happening all
[22:36:50] Borromini: nordle you got dvb or just cable or stuff?
[22:36:52] Savage1: any known issues with epia board?
[22:36:55] nordle: dvb-t
[22:36:57] Borromini: k
[22:37:01] Borromini: i can't tell then
[22:37:05] nordle: :(
[22:37:07] Borromini: i think eit should be working
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[22:39:06] nordle: Borromini: I woulld like cable very much, but its not availble in the area. I know the epg thing works, because kaffine picks up channels and that is done using the steram.... I think.... Must be somehting in the tables, Im going to have a poke, but the stupid phpmyadmin is now not accepting my login details, and I KNOW I haven't touched it since install, so no idea what that is all about..... gonna try vnc and see if phpmyadmin wiill acceept local conn
[22:39:25] Borromini: :)
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[22:43:56] nordle: nope, I can login via mysql cli, but I try same login details via phpmyadmin and it fails saying no such user....grrrr...
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[22:45:11] CBiLL: anyone think there will be a new mirco board 775 intel chipset out soon with s/pif in/out connector on it?
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[22:48:39] britt_: is there a good howto on installing/config'ing mythtv for xubuntu?
[22:51:42] Borromini: any ubuntu howto should do
[22:51:47] Borromini: since the DE doesn't really matter
[22:54:35] britt_: okay
[22:54:47] britt_: im trying to get this to work. i'm brand new to mythtv
[22:54:58] britt_: seems like i wont be able to watch southpark tonight
[22:54:59] mirak: I got dvb-c working
[22:55:17] britt_: so far i can only get channel 68 on PAL to work
[22:55:23] britt_: which odesnt help me out any
[22:55:24] britt_: lol
[22:55:45] Borromini: well if it helps any... i got it set up but i just get a black screen :P
[22:55:48] mirak: there are simpler things if you need it quick
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[22:58:42] britt_: mirak: i just need to watch tv
[22:58:59] britt_: but i have two cards, a pvr-150 and just a regular Go-Plus
[22:59:11] britt_: the pvr-150 is hooked up right now
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[23:01:38] CBiLL: is there spdif in/out adapters out there for micro atx mobo? all I could find is out only adapters
[23:03:12] fryfrog: the board has to have a header for spdif in/out
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[23:03:25] CBiLL: yes I know
[23:03:40] fryfrog: ah, so then... wouldn't it come with the right panel?
[23:03:46] fryfrog: er, insert thing?
[23:03:49] CBiLL: I wanted to get a micro board with spdif in/out but they all seem to need an adapter
[23:03:58] fryfrog: ahhh
[23:04:05] CBiLL: do they come with the adapter? or you have to buy it seperatly?
[23:04:05] fryfrog: the board maker should offer it some how
[23:04:10] fryfrog: it depends
[23:04:20] fryfrog: are you buying from newegg by any chance?
[23:04:24] CBiLL: that a good question cuz I don't see it on thier website .. gigabytes or asus etc
[23:04:32] britt_: are there any wasy i could just apt-get install mythtv
[23:04:38] britt_: i mean its seeing both of my cards
[23:04:50] CBiLL: I have not picked a mobo yet but trying to see if I could actaully get an adapter before I choose a mobo for it
[23:04:51] britt_: which means i could skip out on the drivers stuff, right?
[23:05:18] fryfrog: CBiLL: ahh, if you are using newegg you can just check the pictures. *most* of the boards I have that have spdif in/out come with the little pci plate
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[23:05:28] fryfrog: but newegg will show ya if it comes with it or not
[23:05:29] cureless: CBiLL: http://www.abit-usa.com/products/mb/techspec. . . . mp;model=327
[23:05:30] CBiLL: ahhh ok good thinking I will do that
[23:05:39] CBiLL: didn't think of the pictures on neweggs to confirm it come with it
[23:05:54] CBiLL: thank for the great suggestion!
[23:06:18] fryfrog: and it should also be in the parts list too
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[23:06:27] fryfrog: but the picture is an easy way to pick it out :)
[23:06:30] cureless: I just got the mobo yesterday, and I love the fact that it has integrated dvi
[23:06:35] CBiLL: cureless : going to go with core 2 duo and intel chipset and socket 775
[23:06:50] CBiLL: what cpu did you get for it?
[23:06:52] cureless: CBiLL: oh, I didn't read that part, too bad for you.
[23:07:00] CBiLL: too bad for me?
[23:07:03] cureless: CBiLL: well, I won't do anything extreme on it
[23:07:17] cureless: (too bad you can't use this mobo, maybe there's an intel equivalent)
[23:07:22] CBiLL: why would you say that?
[23:07:45] cureless: cause the mobo would fit your needs ... I guess only half you needs if you need intel
[23:07:45] fryfrog: i think he means too bad because it isn't the right mb for ya
[23:08:04] CBiLL: dvi is nice to have
[23:08:16] CBiLL: there is a motherboard that fit all my needs
[23:08:16] fryfrog: isn't there one with hdmi output also?
[23:08:18] CBiLL: let me show you
[23:08:40] fryfrog: wow, that is a tiny mb~!
[23:08:40] Borromini: hdmi output?
[23:08:41] cureless: probably, but I just connect to dvi-flat panels.
[23:08:54] CBiLL: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813127009
[23:08:56] CBiLL: this board
[23:08:58] CBiLL: got it all
[23:08:59] CBiLL: but
[23:09:00] fryfrog: yeah, i swear someone posted a board with hdmi output
[23:09:14] fryfrog: hey, that board even has firewire!
[23:09:17] CBiLL: only take moblie type cpu
[23:09:20] fryfrog: that'd be a perfect FE board for me
[23:09:27] CBiLL: so M cpu are costly
[23:09:32] fryfrog: are they?
[23:09:41] fryfrog: they weren't much more for the amd turions when i was looking around
[23:09:44] CBiLL: yeah they are laptop cpu
[23:09:51] CBiLL: don't need a huge fan etc
[23:09:58] CBiLL: very quiet operations
[23:10:00] fryfrog: damn, why does it have to be *optical* in/out?
[23:10:15] fryfrog: do you know if the HDMI connector carries sound *and* video?
[23:10:16] cureless: no dvi, so no good for me.
[23:10:16] CBiLL: don't ask me 8-(
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[23:10:30] CBiLL: get a hdmi to dvi adapter =P
[23:10:45] cureless: true. It definitelly looks like a nice mobo
[23:10:54] fryfrog: ahha
[23:11:03] fryfrog: a dvi->hdmi would work, right?
[23:11:07] cureless: CBiLL: so are you getting that one?
[23:11:11] fryfrog: if the monitor didn't have a cord built in?
[23:11:25] CBiLL: this mobo is on top of my list but I am looking to see if using adapter on a 775 board when the cpu are cheaper in cost to see if it worth the effort or just get this board
[23:11:28] fryfrog: jesus, that is expensive motherboard though
[23:11:43] fryfrog: CBiLL: I'd get one with DVI output instead of HDMI
[23:11:48] CBiLL: cureless : I am thinking about it
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[23:11:52] cureless: CBiLL: yeah, I got a sempron 2800
[23:11:53] fryfrog: you can get a cable that does DVI -> HDMI for like $5
[23:12:06] fryfrog: and you'll have a wider variety of boards to choose from
[23:12:09] cureless: I wanted the 35W sempron but I couldn't find them on sale anywhere.
[23:12:10] fryfrog: cureless: do you do HD?
[23:12:22] cureless: fryfrog: nope.
[23:12:26] CBiLL: fryfrog : yeah I know but there no dvi output in micro atx that have spdif in/out
[23:12:26] fryfrog: ah
[23:12:31] fryfrog: ahhh
[23:12:42] fryfrog: out of curiosity, what you gonna do with spdif *in*?
[23:12:51] britt_: could i please get a howto or something? ubuntu sees my cards, but i cant select which card to use or get channels from it
[23:12:52] CBiLL: sat reciever box
[23:13:13] fryfrog: no firewire?
[23:13:17] CBiLL: nope
[23:13:27] cureless: CBiLL: the one I showed you is micro atx
[23:13:30] fryfrog: what are you doing, analog svideo input and digital audio?
[23:13:38] CBiLL: yes
[23:13:46] fryfrog: that sucks :)
[23:13:48] cureless: CBiLL: and has spdif in/out and dvi
[23:13:50] CBiLL: yup
[23:14:04] CBiLL: cureless but amd cpu right?
[23:14:14] cureless: yes
[23:14:20] CBiLL: how hard would it be to complie keneral to run on amd compare to intel chipset?
[23:14:24] fryfrog: if you aren't doing HD, a dual core cpu is *way* overkill :/
[23:14:31] cureless: CBiLL: what do you mean?
[23:14:37] fryfrog: CBiLL: its as easy to do it for amd as it is for intel
[23:14:37] cureless: I run debian amd64 just fine
[23:14:46] CBiLL: I am going to do OTA HD
[23:14:51] fryfrog: ahhhh
[23:15:13] fryfrog: Don't waste too much money on cpu :)
[23:15:19] CBiLL: I am not
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[23:15:29] cureless: kernel compilation is the same for intel or amd
[23:15:30] fryfrog: I can do 2x air2pc cards and 1x HD playback with a 3000+ cpu
[23:15:30] CBiLL: you think I can get away with only 1.86 mhz core 2 duo?
[23:15:48] fryfrog: I'm 98% sure you could get away with a single core :)
[23:15:55] CBiLL:
[23:16:01] CBiLL: damn script
[23:16:05] CBiLL: ok.
[23:16:08] CBiLL: hehe
[23:16:15] CBiLL: I hate colorful script
[23:16:17] CBiLL: 8-P
[23:16:23] CBiLL: looking at that board then cureless
[23:16:30] CBiLL: maybe Ill go with single core then
[23:16:34] fryfrog: I am considering upgrading my 3000+ to a 3800+ X2 on my server, but its not *that* important
[23:16:41] fryfrog: but my server does stuff besides myth :)
[23:16:43] CBiLL: but fryfrog I don't know how much cpu processing it will take
[23:16:49] cureless: CBiLL: the core 2 duo is more powerful than the amds, but you can get a 3800+ X2 and do prettty well.
[23:16:53] CBiLL: to decode closed caption and overlay it on my video
[23:16:57] fryfrog: 3000+ uses about 60–70% cpu for HD playback
[23:17:22] fryfrog: CBiLL: how much is the cheapest, core 2 dual core?
[23:17:25] fryfrog: (or are they all dual core?)
[23:17:47] CBiLL: the 1.86 is about 190 I think
[23:17:48] CBiLL: let me look
[23:18:06] fryfrog: I think a 3800+ X2 was about $150 last I looked
[23:18:08] gardengnome: core 2 duo is dual core, hence the name.
[23:18:18] fryfrog: is there a "core 2 ... solo"?
[23:18:23] Joffray: yes
[23:18:25] CBiLL: 181 dollar
[23:18:27] gardengnome: fryfrog: yep, i think so
[23:18:29] CBiLL: for the 1.86 mhz
[23:18:36] ** gardengnome pets his core 2 duo **
[23:18:42] fryfrog: ah, $181 isn't exactly a bank buster :)
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[23:18:57] CBiLL: if I wanted that mobo
[23:19:02] cureless: An amd64 X2 3800+ is $115.
[23:19:03] CBiLL: I would have to go moblie duo
[23:19:05] CBiLL: so that would be
[23:19:06] CBiLL: let see
[23:19:09] fryfrog: shit, really?
[23:19:20] fryfrog: damn, imma have to order one when i get another 320G drive
[23:19:24] fryfrog: 939 or AM2?
[23:19:27] cureless: am2
[23:19:39] gardengnome: CBiLL: why mobile?
[23:19:46] fryfrog: the mb he found required it
[23:19:48] nordle: i hate computers :( good night, will try beating it with a stick tomorrow :)
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[23:20:02] CBiLL: the mobo I thinking require M processors
[23:20:02] cureless: I've been pissed off at newegg for not carrying the low power am2 cpus.
[23:20:03] fryfrog: computers are bitches :/
[23:20:20] fryfrog: have you emailed their customer service to find out why/when they'd get em?
[23:21:08] cureless: I'm lazy I just bought the normal low power ones, the 65W ones instead of the 35W.
[23:21:34] CBiLL: moblie 2.16 ghz is 425
[23:21:43] cureless: doh!
[23:22:22] CBiLL: 2.0 is 298.00
[23:22:24] CBiLL: moblie
[23:22:31] CBiLL: maybe I will go with amd hehe
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[23:22:37] CBiLL: or standard intel core 2 duo
[23:22:41] CBiLL: I am reading up more on it
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[23:23:20] CBiLL: just 2 things is important to me that is gotta be able to do HD and can overlay closed caption on video before sending it out to the projector
[23:23:25] cureless: I haven't finished my build, I got most of the parts yesterday, but I'm pretty sure my cpu will sit idle most of the time.
[23:23:48] cureless: then again, it won't be doing that kind of stuff.
[23:23:52] gardengnome: standard core 2 duo should work... mine is really quiet with the stock intel heatsink. i wouldn't want that particular box in a living room, though. but it's running at 1.6GHz when idle so power consumption (= heat = noise) is quite low.
[23:24:12] ** gardengnome puts the case back together **
[23:24:20] awolf: So, I've got an a64 3500+ with an nvidia 6200 and I'm having issues playing "live" hdtv at 720p
[23:24:26] awolf: I can get it to play 1080i live just fine
[23:25:06] awolf: I can play the recordings at 720p just fine, but not as its recording
[23:25:23] awolf: it's jerky, no matter what mpeg decoder I use, and no matter what interlacer I use, including no interlace
[23:25:30] mjelva: do any of you have cases with VFD displays?
[23:25:33] awolf: I can use xvmc, but then the audio is crackly every X seconds
[23:25:41] CBiLL: gardengnome : what mobo you using?
[23:26:11] cureless: awolf: what are you capturing with?
[23:26:15] mjelva: does LIRC come with support for output on VFD displays, or do you guys use a separate driver for that? if so, what driver?
[23:26:20] awolf: pchdtv 5500
[23:27:16] awolf: i'm using svideo out so i don't have to worry about modelines or anything complicated for those with expensive TVs
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[23:28:32] Joffray: what video card awolf
[23:28:40] awolf: nvidia 6200
[23:28:42] gardengnome: CBiLL: a gigabyte ga-945p-s3, iirc. not the latest chipset, but it hasn't given me trouble so far in linux (except for the ubuntu edgy installer not recognizing the onboard lan. worked fine once the system was running)
[23:28:46] Joffray: are you using XVMC?
[23:28:59] awolf: When using XVMC, the audio pops every X seconds
[23:29:05] awolf: every 3 or 4 seconds, the audio snaps
[23:29:12] Joffray: increase audio buffering
[23:29:22] awolf: I did that check box, can I do it somewhere else too?
[23:29:29] cureless: awolf: you're not using an amd X2 though, right?
[23:29:41] Joffray: you might also try increasing your HD ringbuffer size by a little bit
[23:30:03] awolf: I'm using a socket AM2 AMD Athlon 64 3500+
[23:30:15] awolf: I'll increase the ringbuffer size, one second
[23:30:55] mjelva: what do you guys use to display stuff on vfd displays?
[23:31:36] Joffray: a sharpie
[23:31:48] mjelva: k
[23:31:55] awolf: Joffray, do you know where that is by any chance?
[23:32:02] CBiLL: i like gigabytes board too
[23:32:03] Joffray: yea 1 sec lemme look
[23:32:13] CBiLL: still trying to locate that damn adapter 8-/
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[23:32:53] CBiLL: wonder if it something I can put together myself hrmm
[23:33:08] Joffray: awolf
[23:33:10] Joffray: it's on the frontend
[23:33:12] Joffray: under playback
[23:33:21] awolf: ring buffer size? ok
[23:33:29] Joffray: I think
[23:33:32] awolf: I shouldn't *have* to use XVMC, should I? It should be fast enough?
[23:33:48] Joffray: nope, on the frontend under 'General'
[23:34:03] Joffray: no, I would think you're cuttin it close without xvmc
[23:34:20] CBiLL: http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/82/3
[23:34:45] Joffray: settings -> TV settings -> General
[23:34:51] Joffray: depending on how your menu is setup
[23:35:45] CBiLL: anyone here try displaying hd on analog tv set before using some type of scaler?
[23:36:00] Joffray: well
[23:36:02] Joffray: you can do it
[23:36:08] Joffray: you'll just have black bars at the top
[23:36:12] Joffray: and bottom
[23:36:24] CBiLL: just wondering
[23:36:47] CBiLL: in case if my projector or hdtv goes out and need repair if I could use analog tv as a backup
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[23:46:07] netw1z: what does romdb do?
[23:47:42] fryfrog: it is for mythgame, lets it identify games via crc / checksum
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[23:48:40] CBiLL: finally found the part number for the adapter but googles show them avaiable in russian lol
[23:48:51] fryfrog: bah, lame :p
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[23:50:12] CBiLL: I might just go with that AMD board cureless posted earlier
[23:50:15] netw1z: how does romdb work from the mythgame standpoint?
[23:50:30] CBiLL: and AMD cpu if it gonna be able to handle HD and closed captioned overlay fine
[23:50:52] awolf: I want to build a 1k core 2 duo machine for my myth stuff :-P
[23:50:56] awolf: 4 megs of l2 cache man!
[23:51:28] CBiLL: the 699 dollar cpu? =P
[23:51:58] fryfrog: netw1z: mythgame scans all your roms, collects their md5/crc/check sum and compares it to the db
[23:52:06] CBiLL: I can't believe those motherboard manfactures do not include adapters with it
[23:52:07] fryfrog: when it finds matches, it "knows" the name of the game
[23:52:37] cureless: CBiLL: are you leaning towards a specific cpu?
[23:52:44] fryfrog: CBiLL: you *sure* none of them do? You might also be able to order it *right* from abit/asus/who ever
[23:52:56] fryfrog: when my lappy got water in the kb, i called up MSI and ordered a keyboard from them
[23:53:07] CBiLL: well I have not look at abit or asus if they offer adapters
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[23:53:39] CBiLL: but I know gigabytes will not provide "parts" they'll just tell me to go to one of the retailers and ask them to speical order it for me
[23:53:53] CBiLL: and I have bad experience when I try to get reatailer to special order it
[23:54:07] netw1z: anyone know what executable mythgame is?
[23:54:23] gardengnome: fryfrog: when my vga card made weird noises, i wrote an email to MSI. that was on sunday and i still haven't received an answer...
[23:54:30] CBiLL: cureless : basically right now Ill just want a cpu that's easy to set up without doing too many compling with flags
[23:54:44] CBiLL: and capiable of handling HD with closed caption overlay
[23:55:15] cureless: CBiLL: well, in theory you can compile for the amd cpus just the same as the others.
[23:55:19] CBiLL: cureless : how much ram you gonna go with?
[23:55:28] cureless: CBiLL: I got 512
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[23:56:19] cureless: Most of my stuff is "overspeced" because I don't really do much, simple SD from a pvr-250 to dvi.
[23:56:56] CBiLL: that board does look good
[23:56:57] cureless: CBiLL: for your HD setup I don't know what you need. I'm pretty new at this
[23:57:05] CBiLL: yeah I am new to this too
[23:57:27] CBiLL: I am told core 2 duo and intel chipset is the far easiest to setup for HD
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[23:57:38] netw1z: anyone using the pvr-150 and getting a humming noise
[23:57:59] cureless: CBiLL: well, the core 2's definitelly have punch.
[23:58:23] CBiLL: yeah and when I go full time hdtv .. I would be at least ready for it
[23:58:45] CBiLL: ie when hdtv cable card come out with card slot supported by mythtv one day

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