| Tuesday, October 24th, 2006, 00:00 UTC | ||
| [00:00:05] | informavore: | someone give me a hand with access to remote server? Everything is fine, but the client claims it cannot connect, and strace reveals client thinks the address is 0.0.0.0 even though configs are fine... |
| [00:00:06] | fryfrog: | i was thinking, it seems wierd that you get 50mbit on your 100mbit lan but you *aren't* seeing errors |
| [00:00:25] | fryfrog: | informavore: mythtv? nfs? samba? ftp? |
| [00:00:40] | fryfrog: | telnet? |
| [00:00:41] | fryfrog: | ssh? |
| [00:00:48] | fryfrog: | smtp? |
| [00:00:52] | Zider: | fryfrog: it is weird, yes.. but whatever, I'll get proper wiring soon enough.. |
| [00:00:53] | fryfrog: | gopher? |
| [00:01:13] | informavore: | mythtfrontend--> Connection timed out ... connect(10, {sa_family=AF_INET, sin_port=htons(6543), sin_addr=inet_addr("0.0.0.0")}, 16) = -1 ECONNREFUSED (Connection refused) |
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| [00:02:06] | informavore: | wtf? the address is 172.25.5.6, which is correct, and I can telnet to it on 6543, and I can do show tables in mysql from the client to the server, and the host resolution gives the right answer... |
| [00:02:07] | fryfrog: | ah, what does output from "mythfrontend -v all" say? |
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| [00:02:12] | aboutblank: | what the? |
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| [00:02:28] | fryfrog: | could it be the fact you are using 172 addresses? |
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| [00:02:41] | fryfrog: | er, sorry |
| [00:02:45] | fryfrog: | loopback is 127, eh? |
| [00:02:51] | aboutblank: | yep. |
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| [00:02:57] | minthome: | splity |
| [00:02:57] | fryfrog: | so that'd not be it |
| [00:03:02] | cornell: | In Connect source to Input, what does Fetch channels from listings source do, does that get the names/numbers? |
| [00:03:03] | informavore: | yeah, 172 is my lan. it's ok. |
| [00:03:06] | fryfrog: | what does the mythfrontend log say? |
| [00:03:20] | fryfrog: | i like 10.x :) |
| [00:03:26] | fryfrog: | it *SOO* much easier to type :) |
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| [00:03:30] | Zider: | I like 192.168. |
| [00:03:31] | Zider: | :D |
| [00:03:37] | fryfrog: | 192.168 is for pussies :) |
| [00:03:37] | informavore: | mythfrontend -v gives lots and lots of output, including DB responses to selects... |
| [00:03:42] | Zider: | old habits die hard |
| [00:03:49] | fryfrog: | how bout -v important? |
| [00:03:54] | fryfrog: | or do -v help |
| [00:03:59] | minthome: | is there any specific reason that the analog cable comeing from my mythtv box looks worse than if the cable was directly plugging into the tv? |
| [00:03:59] | fryfrog: | and pick out some of the relevant stuff |
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| [00:04:16] | Zider: | besides, I used to have a weird ISP that had their DNS'es as 10.0.0.2 and 10.0.0.3 |
| [00:04:21] | fryfrog: | minthome: plugged *right* into tv or hooked to a cable box? |
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| [00:04:29] | fryfrog: | Zider: oh, weird :) |
| [00:04:32] | informavore: | 2006-10–23 20:04:06.910 Using runtime prefix = /usr/local |
| [00:04:34] | Zider: | yeah |
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| [00:04:36] | minthome: | fryfrog, plugged *right* into the tv |
| [00:04:36] | informavore: | 2006-10–23 20:04:06.968 DPMS is active. |
| [00:04:40] | informavore: | 2006-10–23 20:04:07.036 New DB connection, total: 1 |
| [00:04:44] | informavore: | 2006-10–23 20:04:07.092 Connected to database 'mythconverg' at host: alu.bsqt.homeip.net |
| [00:04:48] | informavore: | 2006-10–23 20:04:07.098 Total desktop dim: 1400x1050, with 1 screen[s]. |
| [00:04:49] | fryfrog: | minthome: what kind of tv card? |
| [00:04:50] | Zider: | informavore: pastebin! :P |
| [00:04:53] | informavore: | 2006-10–23 20:04:07.106 Running in a window |
| [00:04:55] | fryfrog: | informavore: stop |
| [00:04:56] | informavore: | 2006-10–23 20:04:07.107 Using screen 0, 1400x1003 at 0,47 |
| [00:04:58] | fryfrog: | informavore: use pastebin :) |
| [00:05:00] | informavore: | 2006-10–23 20:04:07.172 Current Schema Version: 1158 |
| [00:05:04] | informavore: | 2006-10–23 20:04:07.173 mythfrontend version: 0.20.20060828–3 www.mythtv.org |
| [00:05:06] | minthome: | fryfrog pcHDTV-5500 |
| [00:05:08] | informavore: | 2006-10–23 20:04:07.174 Enabled verbose msgs: important |
| [00:05:12] | informavore: | 2006-10–23 20:04:08.044 Total desktop dim: 1400x1050, with 1 screen[s]. |
| [00:05:16] | informavore: | 2006-10–23 20:04:08.048 Running in a window |
| [00:05:18] | fryfrog: | minthome: are you tuning HD channels or SD? |
| [00:05:20] | informavore: | 2006-10–23 20:04:08.050 Switching to square mode (G.A.N.T.) |
| [00:05:24] | informavore: | 2006-10–23 20:04:09.673 New DB connection, total: 2 |
| [00:05:28] | informavore: | Failed to find network interface eth0 |
| [00:05:31] | fryfrog: | sir, die :p |
| [00:05:31] | minthome: | what's SD in that case, fryfrog? |
| [00:05:32] | informavore: | SIP listening on IP Address :5060 NAT address |
| [00:05:36] | informavore: | SIP: Cannot register; proxy, username or password not set |
| [00:05:40] | informavore: | Destroying SipFsm object |
| [00:05:44] | fryfrog: | HD – High Def, SD – Standard Def |
| [00:05:44] | informavore: | 2006-10–23 20:04:12.869 Connection timed out. |
| [00:05:48] | informavore: | You probably should modify the Master Server |
| [00:05:53] | informavore: | settings in the setup program and set the |
| [00:05:56] | informavore: | proper IP address. |
| [00:05:57] | informavore: | was that rude? |
| [00:05:57] | informavore: | next time... |
| [00:05:58] | informavore: | next time |
| [00:06:02] | D-side: | thanks so much for that. |
| [00:06:04] | informavore: | Did I just get banished? |
| [00:06:12] | aboutblank: | yes. |
| [00:06:19] | fryfrog: | no, but i've dispatched my midget to come ass rape you :p |
| [00:06:19] | aboutblank: | jesus christ. |
| [00:06:22] | minthome: | fryfrog oh, well, the card can do both, but my cpu isn't strong enuf to do the hd, so just SD now |
| [00:06:35] | informavore: | sorry... |
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| [00:06:52] | fryfrog: | minthome: it *could* be a crappy SD tuner on the card combined with the fact that it'd be a software encoder too |
| [00:07:05] | fryfrog: | minthome: have you tried a program like tvtime or xawtv to confirm it is the card? |
| [00:07:11] | informavore: | Do the messages help? |
| [00:07:18] | minthome: | fryfrog, "it'd be a software encoder" ?? |
| [00:07:26] | fryfrog: | minthome: and you should be able to *record* HD fine, maybe play back with another pc? |
| [00:07:28] | minthome: | yeah, tvtime looks like crap too |
| [00:07:39] | fryfrog: | informavore: paste to pastebin.com so we can view it w/o a bunch of chat in the middle of it |
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| [00:07:51] | minthome: | fryfrog, that's a brilliant idea about recording the HD :D |
| [00:07:54] | fryfrog: | minthome: the HD signal is already mpeg2, so no work for the card to do |
| [00:08:07] | minthome: | hence ATSC |
| [00:08:18] | fryfrog: | minthome: i suspect your HD will be awsome, since its pretty much a great or not thing :) |
| [00:08:21] | fryfrog: | yar |
| [00:08:22] | fryfrog: | OTA or QAM? |
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| [00:08:29] | minthome: | QMA |
| [00:08:42] | minthome: | err QAM |
| [00:08:45] | minthome: | iirc |
| [00:08:48] | minthome: | yeah |
| [00:08:51] | minthome: | it it... |
| [00:09:10] | minthome: | i mean, it looks brilliant, but it lagsskips every 2 seconds |
| [00:09:15] | fryfrog: | ah |
| [00:09:20] | minthome: | rendering it unwatchable |
| [00:09:28] | fryfrog: | Honestly, I wouldn't get one of those HD cards and have it do SD |
| [00:10:03] | fryfrog: | I can't imagine they can afford to put a *good* NTSC tuner on it along with the ATSC stuff for a reasonable price |
| [00:10:05] | informavore: | pastebin throws mysql errors. |
| [00:10:12] | fryfrog: | ? |
| [00:10:14] | fryfrog: | pastebin.ca |
| [00:10:16] | fryfrog: | try that instead |
| [00:10:30] | minthome: | fryfrog, yeah, well i got a 350 bidded on on ebay |
| [00:10:40] | minthome: | so, we'll see how that goes. |
| [00:10:50] | Zider: | ummmmm |
| [00:10:54] | fryfrog: | *MY* cable looks like ass over analog tuner |
| [00:10:58] | informavore: | http://pastebin.ca/218111 |
| [00:11:03] | fryfrog: | but that is cause the cable company sends out an ass-tastic signal |
| [00:11:07] | Zider: | something has become right with my network |
| [00:11:08] | minthome: | thanks for the chat, most helpful person in 3 days of idleing in here ;) |
| [00:11:11] | fryfrog: | wait |
| [00:11:14] | fryfrog: | why a 350? |
| [00:11:25] | minthome: | why not? |
| [00:11:33] | fryfrog: | Waste of money? :( |
| [00:11:41] | fryfrog: | PVR150 for $60 is better deal |
| [00:11:54] | fryfrog: | the 350's tv out is all but useless, and that is the only advantage it has |
| [00:12:17] | fryfrog: | informavore: "Failed to find network interface eth0" |
| [00:12:17] | fryfrog: | wtf? |
| [00:12:20] | minthome: | i thought the 350 was a dual in.. |
| [00:12:25] | fryfrog: | do you *have* an eth0? |
| [00:12:26] | minthome: | oh, no, that's the 500 or whatever |
| [00:12:29] | fryfrog: | minthome: that is PVR500 |
| [00:12:40] | minthome: | yeah.. |
| [00:12:40] | fryfrog: | which is *still* more expensive than just 2x PVR150 :) |
| [00:12:43] | informavore: | I'm not using eth0, my network is eth1... No idea what it's complaining about. |
| [00:12:53] | fryfrog: | do you have mythphone installed? |
| [00:13:09] | minthome: | well, the bid was only $60, and your right about the TV out, because my TV has HDMI and VGA believe it or not. |
| [00:13:15] | informavore: | yeah, but never tried using it, don't know how it works. |
| [00:13:17] | Zider: | fryfrog: I'm getting 12MB/sec copying a file right now.. :P |
| [00:13:23] | fryfrog: | minthome: ah, well $60 isn't bad then :) |
| [00:13:31] | fryfrog: | Zider: over NFS or Samba? Or both? |
| [00:13:35] | Zider: | fryfrog: nfs |
| [00:13:46] | fryfrog: | Zider: nfs FTW! |
| [00:13:59] | minthome: | fryfrog, 2 days remaining... doubtful i'll get it, but if you recommend the 150, i'll persue that |
| [00:14:14] | cornell: | Dang, no the frontend won't start :-( |
| [00:14:15] | Zider: | fryfrog: either the numbers are incorrect now or that network test program was |
| [00:14:16] | fryfrog: | informavore: what does your "mysql.txt" say and what does your entry *on* the db server, in the db say is the master server? |
| [00:14:38] | minthome: | lol, speak of the devil, "You have been outbid. Bid again now!" |
| [00:14:43] | fryfrog: | minthome: I had 4x PVR250s, now I have a PVR500 and a PVR250 |
| [00:14:57] | minthome: | so that's 3x in? |
| [00:15:05] | fryfrog: | minthome: I don't use any of them, put the 500 in a toy system i'm working on for my parents of spare parts |
| [00:15:10] | fryfrog: | minthome: if i used it :) |
| [00:15:17] | cornell: | oops s/no/now |
| [00:15:21] | fryfrog: | minthome: my *real* system has 2x air2pc hd 5000 cards in the master backend |
| [00:15:33] | fryfrog: | minthome: my slave backend is hooked via firewire to a pair of HD STBs |
| [00:16:00] | minthome: | fryfrog, what's the specs on the the backed? |
| [00:16:23] | minthome: | damn, you totally confused me now... master backend, and slave backend? |
| [00:16:27] | fryfrog: | AMD64 3000+, 1G ram |
| [00:16:39] | minthome: | what about the frontend? |
| [00:16:41] | fryfrog: | minthome: MythTV can have as many "backends" (systems with tv tuners) as you want |
| [00:16:48] | fryfrog: | both of the "backends" also run a FE |
| [00:16:56] | fryfrog: | one hooked to a pc monitor up in my computer room |
| [00:17:01] | fryfrog: | the other hooked to my HDTV via HDMI cable |
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| [00:17:05] | fryfrog: | er, DVI -> HDMI |
| [00:17:08] | cornell: | I can't believe this is such a pain in the backside |
| [00:17:25] | minthome: | what's an FE? |
| [00:17:27] | informavore: | flyfrog, added to pastebin? |
| [00:17:28] | fryfrog: | cornell: whats it say? |
| [00:17:34] | fryfrog: | "FE" – Front end |
| [00:17:39] | fryfrog: | "BE" – Back end |
| [00:17:44] | fryfrog: | informavore: me? or you did? |
| [00:17:45] | minthome: | fryfrog ah, hehe, sorry. |
| [00:18:24] | fryfrog: | Zider: how are you testing speed, btw? |
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| [00:18:31] | minthome: | fryfrog so i'm still trying to grasp the concept of FE and BE... the BE is the machine holding the IN card, and recording the data. |
| [00:18:58] | fryfrog: | The "backend" is a daemon process, it handles all the "back end" type work. It records, it schedules, it is always running |
| [00:18:59] | minthome: | fryfrog, so i assume the FE can actually be any machine and, well. that's where i get confused. |
| [00:19:14] | dtm: | minthome: yes and the FE and BE can be on the same system |
| [00:19:15] | fryfrog: | the "frontend" does all the display work. |
| [00:19:24] | minthome: | dtm, yes, i realize that |
| [00:19:29] | dtm: | k |
| [00:19:38] | fryfrog: | you can mix and match them any way you want, be/fe same machine, be on a stand alone machine, fe on an xbox even |
| [00:19:41] | fryfrog: | etc, etc |
| [00:19:48] | minthome: | ah, so... the BE machine MUST have the input card in it right? |
| [00:20:05] | D-side: | well. |
| [00:20:06] | fryfrog: | minthome: sort of |
| [00:20:09] | D-side: | heh |
| [00:20:12] | fryfrog: | minthome: input isn't *required* to be a card |
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| [00:20:34] | D-side: | it could also just be used for commflagging |
| [00:20:35] | Zider: | fryfrog: right now I'm just copying a large file and watching gkrellm |
| [00:20:42] | minthome: | i'm just asking because, if the FE doesn't have an input, then does that video just play via streaming mpeg2? |
| [00:20:43] | fryfrog: | minthome: for instance, my slave backend has only a firewire connection to a pair of Set Top Boxes. You can get these "hd homerun" devices that are network devices that send hd |
| [00:20:50] | dtm: | minthome: also you dont even require that a BE has an input card. it could just serve DVDs, and other preexisting files |
| [00:20:55] | fryfrog: | Zider: bigger than the amount of ram on *either* system? |
| [00:20:59] | fryfrog: | oh |
| [00:21:02] | fryfrog: | Zider: ignore that :) |
| [00:21:26] | fryfrog: | minthome: even if the "fe" *does* have an input,the backend is *still* streaming to it |
| [00:21:38] | Zider: | fryfrog: well, it's a 4,5GB file so.. yes.. ;) |
| [00:21:41] | fryfrog: | either via reading from a file on *its* disks or streaming it from *another* backend |
| [00:22:01] | fryfrog: | Zider: yeah, i remembered that didn't matter. That'd be for testing *write* speed over network (to disk) |
| [00:22:07] | Zider: | ah |
| [00:22:30] | minthome: | ah...... ok, I get it. regardless, it's streaming mpeg2 data... there is no "passover" (for lack of a better term) of the straight signal. |
| [00:22:44] | fryfrog: | On my 1000mbit I only get 30mb/sec (in theory, should get ~100mb/sec) |
| [00:22:53] | fryfrog: | minthome: correct |
| [00:23:05] | dtm: | minthome: not if you're talking about a straight analog signal. computers are digital devices. |
| [00:23:07] | informavore: | anyone tell my why the config says 172.25.5.6, but the strace says 0.0.0.0 ? |
| [00:23:08] | Zider: | fryfrog: 1500MTU? |
| [00:23:16] | minthome: | i totally understand now. w00t... |
| [00:23:20] | fryfrog: | yeah, which is prolly why eh? |
| [00:23:25] | minthome: | <-- can be a 'tard sometimes |
| [00:23:31] | aboutblank: | fryfrog: hard disk speed upward limits at ~60 MB/s w/o raid |
| [00:23:32] | Zider: | fryfrog: yeah.. gbit wants jumboframes to feel good :) |
| [00:23:35] | fryfrog: | its quite confusing :) |
| [00:23:48] | fryfrog: | aboutblank: my raid5 can write locally at 70–80mb /sec |
| [00:23:57] | aboutblank: | damn. what brand card? |
| [00:24:02] | fryfrog: | How do jumbo frames work? |
| [00:24:09] | Zider: | fryfrog: larger frames.. |
| [00:24:16] | fryfrog: | aboutblank: raid card? linux kernel software raid :) |
| [00:24:17] | Zider: | 9000 instead of 1500 |
| [00:24:20] | aboutblank: | sends more data before error checking right? |
| [00:24:26] | fryfrog: | Zider: well, doesn't the switch need to support it? |
| [00:24:34] | Zider: | fryfrog: yes, switch and both cards |
| [00:24:41] | Zider: | cards almost always does |
| [00:24:44] | fryfrog: | Zider: and if the switch does, doesn't *everything* on the network need to support jumbo frames and be 1000mbit? |
| [00:24:47] | Zider: | and decent switches too |
| [00:24:59] | fryfrog: | how do you deal with say a 100mbit router being hooked up? |
| [00:25:02] | Zider: | fryfrog: yeps.. unless you have a layer2 switch (I believe) |
| [00:25:30] | fryfrog: | *most* of my items are gige, hooked to a gige switch |
| [00:25:44] | fryfrog: | but it uplinks to a 100mbit switch where a few things like my xbox and a laptop are hooked up |
| [00:25:52] | aboutblank: | i !@#$ing hate my promise TX4310 4 port raid card. it's sooo intermittant. it dies every other day, saying the array is offline. |
| [00:25:55] | fryfrog: | so i don't see how jumbo frames would work out? |
| [00:26:02] | Zider: | I haven't played with gigE at all yet.. I will try it on with the new wiring tho :) |
| [00:26:05] | fryfrog: | aboutblank: blech, thats odd |
| [00:26:08] | fryfrog: | hehe |
| [00:26:33] | Zider: | fryfrog: if the switch is "smart", it can split up the jumboframes in 1500 chunks for the slower clients |
| [00:27:05] | fryfrog: | Zider: I see. Maybe I need to dig up the model/serial of my switch and see what it says. Was a relativly cheap 8 port from a major minor maker |
| [00:27:11] | fryfrog: | dlink,netgear,etc |
| [00:27:24] | Zider: | dlink is total POS imo |
| [00:27:37] | aboutblank: | netgear " " " " " |
| [00:27:40] | informavore: | fryfrog, any ideas ? |
| [00:27:46] | Zider: | netgear makes nice things but the cheaper ones prolly won't be smart |
| [00:27:50] | fryfrog: | informavore: did you check what i suggested? |
| [00:27:58] | informavore: | did not see the suggestions |
| [00:27:59] | minthome: | gigE is pretty senseless imho, even if your readingwriting off a RAMDisk, your still bottlenecked by the bus on the mobo |
| [00:28:13] | aboutblank: | my netgear shit can't handle too many packets for BT |
| [00:28:16] | Zider: | minthome: pciexpress <4 |
| [00:28:18] | Zider: | <3 |
| [00:28:19] | Zider: | :D |
| [00:28:20] | fryfrog: | informavore: first, check your mysql.txt for the correct IP of your mysql/master be |
| [00:28:32] | fryfrog: | informavore: then, check the db itself and see that the ips are set correctly |
| [00:28:41] | informavore: | check. It is correct, and on startup it gets the GUI settings correctly from the DB |
| [00:28:45] | fryfrog: | minthome: 30mb/sec > 10mb/sec |
| [00:28:50] | minthome: | Zider, it doesn't do Gbs does it? |
| [00:28:56] | fryfrog: | minthome: and *all* my motherboards had gige support built in |
| [00:29:00] | informavore: | mysql -u xx -p -h xx mythconverg works from the same machine |
| [00:29:01] | minthome: | fryfrog, this is true ;) |
| [00:29:08] | fryfrog: | giga*bits* / sec is only 100mb/sec |
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| [00:29:26] | ** minthome shows fryfrog the shift key ** | |
| [00:29:27] | fryfrog: | pci-e does that easy, with either 1 or 2 lanes i believe |
| [00:29:29] | minthome: | that's MB |
| [00:29:33] | Zider: | minthome: 250 MB/s, per channel to a maximum of 16 channels |
| [00:29:35] | informavore: | fryfrog, other ideas? |
| [00:29:45] | CBiLL: | Howdy |
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| [00:30:09] | fryfrog: | informavore: none pop to mind :( |
| [00:30:10] | CBiLL: | anyone know if Mythtv will decode and overlay Closed Caption on video before it send out thru video card? |
| [00:30:11] | minthome: | Zider, O-o. lol, and i even have a 16X pci-E in my desktop and didn't even know that. |
| [00:30:15] | fryfrog: | minthome: sorry, i don't understand then? |
| [00:30:30] | GreyFoxx: | CBiLL: Yes it will |
| [00:30:31] | Zider: | minthome: and full duplex |
| [00:30:39] | GreyFoxx: | Assuming the recorded stream has it |
| [00:30:41] | minthome: | brb |
| [00:30:47] | fryfrog: | CBiLL: vs what? over laying it into your mind psychicly? |
| [00:30:54] | CBiLL: | GreyFoxx : yeah I know what you mean |
| [00:31:04] | informavore: | fryfrog, most unfortunate :-( |
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| [00:31:35] | fryfrog: | informavore: do you have the option of scrapping *all* your fe/be settings and starting over? |
| [00:31:36] | CBiLL: | GreyFoxx : I am wanting to build a home theatre using a projector so since projector does not have a CC decoder so I have to decode and overlay it before it sent to the projector |
| [00:31:41] | minthome: | fryfrog, b=bits B=Bytes |
| [00:31:42] | fryfrog: | it sounds like a simple miss-match somewhere? |
| [00:31:50] | fryfrog: | CBiLL: OHHH, i see |
| [00:31:53] | minthome: | sorry, just being an anal jerk. |
| [00:32:02] | fryfrog: | minthome: ahhh, i see what you mean now |
| [00:32:02] | achew22: | ARG!!!! SEGMENTATION FAULT!!! |
| [00:32:14] | Zider: | minthome: there's a lot of discussion about which is which actually.. but I agree with that one :P |
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| [00:32:34] | informavore: | fryfrog, not really... It works fine on the master server, It is just remote from my laptop that is messed up. I have a lot of stuff recorded, would like to keep. |
| [00:32:58] | fryfrog: | informavore: you needn't lose that info |
| [00:33:08] | fryfrog: | informavore: just poke around in the db and nuke the stuff for *frontends* |
| [00:33:08] | Zider: | minthome: I often write mbit/mbyte just to clarify |
| [00:33:11] | fryfrog: | after making a backup |
| [00:33:15] | fryfrog: | :) |
| [00:33:30] | informavore: | fryfrog, what do I need to nuke? |
| [00:33:37] | fryfrog: | informavore: fark if i know :) |
| [00:33:46] | fryfrog: | i imagine it'll be relativly obviously named |
| [00:33:52] | minthome: | Zider, that's wise |
| [00:33:56] | fryfrog: | perhaps start by searching for something you *know* is front end related |
| [00:34:06] | fryfrog: | like, perhaps the *theme* you have your FE set to? |
| [00:34:06] | Zider: | 8,192 bits (2^13 bits, 1,024 octets) – One _kibioctet_ |
| [00:34:11] | Zider: | "kibioctet"? |
| [00:34:12] | Zider: | wtf |
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| [00:34:17] | fryfrog: | 1.21 JIGGAWATTS! |
| [00:34:18] | Zider: | how unsexy is that |
| [00:34:20] | dtm: | it seems that mythfrontend won't contact mysql on the backend host. it has permission, and i can do it with 'mysql -u mythtv -p -h mythdb' but the mythfrontend just hangs. tcpdump on the BE shows that it's responding. |
| [00:34:33] | dtm: | there is no selinux |
| [00:34:47] | minthome: | well, the bar is calling, bbl |
| [00:34:52] | fryfrog: | dtm: mysql.txt correct? |
| [00:34:54] | Zider: | doctor kibioctopus |
| [00:35:17] | CBiLL: | what the min core2 proccessor should handle hdtv with cc overlay I should look for? |
| [00:35:47] | dtm: | fryfrog: yes. i see a ton of traffic leading up to the point where it should draw the menu. i see only the background and the stylized TV icon, but no text, and then it just freezes. |
| [00:35:53] | dtm: | but i can hit esc. that's all that works. |
| [00:35:59] | Zider: | I recommend 2,4 at least, so you'll get the sweet 4MB cache ;) |
| [00:36:07] | dtm: | i'll quadruple check mysql.txt |
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| [00:36:32] | dtm: | no errors are on the mythfrontend command line. |
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| [00:37:13] | dtm: | ~/.mythtv/mysql.txt is correct. and i'm just running 'mythfrontend' on the command line of that same user. |
| [00:37:38] | fryfrog: | CBiLL: I am doing HDTV with a pair of old xeon 2.4ghz, so I bet the *lowest* core2 would handle it all easily, with one cpu off :p |
| [00:37:47] | CBiLL: | cool |
| [00:37:52] | fryfrog: | dtm: does "mythfrontend -v important" yield any useful info? |
| [00:38:06] | dtm: | standby |
| [00:38:13] | CBiLL: | thank you for your inputs |
| [00:38:22] | fryfrog: | you can also explore "-v help" to see other otpioins that might yield more info |
| [00:38:30] | dtm: | fryfrog: tcpdump does not indicate any traffic other than mysql. |
| [00:38:38] | dtm: | fryfrog: and no it doesn't indicate anything new |
| [00:38:39] | fryfrog: | CBiLL: love to hear how it turns out, some day i'd like to remove the helicopter fe from next to the tv :p |
| [00:38:53] | dtm: | fryfrog: there are no other mythfrontends. |
| [00:39:23] | dtm: | fryfrog: wait there might be another one somewhere. |
| [00:39:40] | Ediehow: | anyone use an external changer script? |
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| [00:40:33] | fryfrog: | Ediehow: I do |
| [00:40:37] | Ediehow: | hi sir fry |
| [00:40:40] | Ediehow: | here's my problemo |
| [00:40:48] | Ediehow: | if i use the script outside of myth, it's seamless |
| [00:40:55] | Ediehow: | inside myth, it pauses for a few seconds before change |
| [00:40:59] | CBiLL: | ah I see what you mean by the 4M cache while core2 below 2.4 is only 2M but price is a huge difference between the 2 hrmmm .. 315 for the 2.4 one |
| [00:41:05] | Ediehow: | before it STARTS the change, i should say |
| [00:41:07] | dtm: | do i have to run mythtv-setup on any host ohter than the backend? |
| [00:41:08] | Ediehow: | it's really annoying |
| [00:41:14] | dtm: | do i have to run it on an FE-only? |
| [00:41:38] | dtm: | why, if it isn't Ediehow |
| [00:41:53] | Ediehow: | yup, it's me |
| [00:43:05] | Zider: | CBiLL: I dunno if the 4MB cache makes any difference for a mythbox but for a desktop it's totally worth it |
| [00:43:31] | dtm: | ok there was another FE running (on the BE) but the mythfrontend messages here were saying that the locking was complete. |
| [00:43:38] | fryfrog: | dtm: only on the FE |
| [00:44:03] | Ediehow: | dtm: what are you trying to do? |
| [00:44:05] | CBiLL: | I want to put together a htpc only for dvr purposes |
| [00:44:09] | Ediehow: | i've done a fe over wireless |
| [00:44:10] | Ediehow: | fun fun |
| [00:44:10] | fryfrog: | dtm: when you setup the "be" what did you use for the ip? |
| [00:44:18] | CBiLL: | so I probably will go with 2M cache to keep cost down |
| [00:44:20] | fryfrog: | "localhost" (127.0.0.1) or its real ip? |
| [00:44:33] | dtm: | fryfrog: 192.168.2.6 |
| [00:44:37] | fryfrog: | oh, humm |
| [00:44:41] | fryfrog: | so it *should* work :/ |
| [00:44:41] | Ediehow: | fryfrog: did you get my q? |
| [00:44:43] | dtm: | fryfrog: FE in this case is 192.162.6.8 |
| [00:45:05] | CBiLL: | since it a core2 duo .. 1.86 should be more than enough for hdtv mythtv? |
| [00:45:14] | kormoc: | aye |
| [00:45:34] | dtm: | fryfrog: i just compiled this FE and it looks like it just can't render anything.... it's like the text buttons are all invisible. but if i hit 'enter', it goes to another menu |
| [00:46:43] | fryfrog: | using qt or opengl? |
| [00:46:47] | fryfrog: | and qt3 or qt4? |
| [00:46:49] | aboutblank: | dtm: you missed some qt libs? |
| [00:47:13] | aboutblank: | or rather... when you compiled it, are you sure it actually finished without erroring? |
| [00:47:36] | dtm: | aboutblank: re-checking |
| [00:47:42] | dtm: | i mean yeah it completed 'make install'. |
| [00:47:48] | Ediehow: | fryfrog: did you get my question about change channel script? |
| [00:47:50] | aboutblank: | the "make" |
| [00:48:02] | fryfrog: | Ediehow: that it is slow to even start? |
| [00:48:05] | aboutblank: | lol fryfrog is in high demand cause he helps us noobs :( |
| [00:48:12] | Ediehow: | fryfrog: when it calls the channel change script |
| [00:48:16] | dtm: | aboutblank: of course 'make' completed, because 'make install' completed. |
| [00:48:16] | Ediehow: | even if i comment everything out |
| [00:48:16] | fryfrog: | Ediehow: mine fires off fairly fast, but i don't actually notice or care :/ |
| [00:48:20] | dtm: | with no errors |
| [00:48:22] | fryfrog: | Ediehow: you talking live tv? |
| [00:48:24] | Ediehow: | yes |
| [00:48:32] | Ediehow: | it's definitely a myth thing |
| [00:48:35] | fryfrog: | don't use livetv except to test :) |
| [00:48:46] | fryfrog: | i set my recordings to start 2min early, end 2min late |
| [00:48:49] | dtm: | live tv is an abuse of mythtv |
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| [00:48:52] | fryfrog: | so channel change time don't matter :/ |
| [00:49:05] | Ediehow: | fryfrog: well, i record a lot, but watch livetv a lot too |
| [00:49:19] | Anduin: | informavore: use an ip addreess |
| [00:49:19] | banyan: | heya, the framebuffer device on ivtv is which one? video0, video16, video32, video48? |
| [00:50:19] | fryfrog: | Ediehow: I'm not sure then, i'm at a loss :( |
| [00:50:28] | fryfrog: | and speaking of tv, it is time to watch an episode! |
| [00:51:00] | Zider: | and I'm off to continue plow thru sg1 from the beginning :P |
| [00:51:39] | GreyFoxx: | Zider: hehe I've done that several times :) |
| [00:51:44] | GreyFoxx: | <<-- huge sg fan |
| [00:51:52] | Zider: | I'm on my third round now ;) |
| [00:52:05] | opello: | heh awesome |
| [00:52:20] | opello: | GreyFoxx: kind of went down hill in season 9 |
| [00:52:40] | D-side: | bsg > * |
| [00:52:43] | opello: | even with chriton and aeryn :) |
| [00:52:44] | GreyFoxx: | overall yeah, but I did like the Vala character |
| [00:52:48] | opello: | yeah |
| [00:52:56] | opello: | it was nice to see the farscape duo back :) |
| [00:52:58] | Zider: | vala is hot :P |
| [00:53:00] | GreyFoxx: | BSG rocks, and the latest episode was sweet :) |
| [00:53:06] | GreyFoxx: | Zider: I agree :) |
| [00:53:15] | Zider: | BSG has definitely gone downhill lately imo |
| [00:53:18] | dtm: | what do i need other than qt, qt-mysql, qt-devel? |
| [00:53:18] | opello: | claudia black ... |
| [00:53:19] | GreyFoxx: | pfffft |
| [00:53:20] | D-side: | GreyFoxx: i was so worried at the season finale that it was going to be crap. then they came strong with this |
| [00:53:32] | D-side: | Zider: bzzzt. wrong. |
| [00:53:40] | GreyFoxx: | Zider: I have not been into the new capira stuff but that last episode ROCKED |
| [00:53:42] | Zider: | D-side: no, different opinion |
| [00:53:50] | Zider: | GreyFoxx: capira? |
| [00:53:53] | opello: | heh D-side, 'bzzzt' :) |
| [00:53:55] | D-side: | yes, an incorrect one. :D |
| [00:54:00] | Zider: | D-side: nope |
| [00:54:08] | Zider: | GreyFoxx: you mean down on the planet? |
| [00:54:08] | GreyFoxx: | I mean the galactica falling to the ground letting out fighers and then jumping out was nifty |
| [00:54:14] | Zider: | ah |
| [00:54:19] | GreyFoxx: | Zider YEah, They called it "New Caprica" |
| [00:54:24] | GreyFoxx: | sorry for my typo |
| [00:54:25] | Zider: | oh yeah |
| [00:54:25] | D-side: | GreyFoxx: no spoilers |
| [00:54:37] | D-side: | you never know, this is a mythtv channel. whos to say they've all watched it yet? heh |
| [00:54:40] | GreyFoxx: | D-side: It air'd 4 days ago :) |
| [00:54:48] | GreyFoxx: | heck some countries are on SG1 season 7 |
| [00:54:51] | opello: | if you haven't watched, it's your fault :) |
| [00:55:00] | D-side: | i've just now watched all of heroes |
| [00:55:03] | Zider: | GreyFoxx: well imo, s3 has been sucky so far, I hope it's back on track with ep5 :P |
| [00:55:04] | D-side: | thats my new favorite show |
| [00:55:21] | opello: | so, tv show wars or distro wars, which is worse? |
| [00:55:29] | GreyFoxx: | Distro wars |
| [00:55:32] | opello: | heh |
| [00:55:37] | Zider: | opello: there's no war going on, just friendly discussion :P |
| [00:55:43] | opello: | Zider: oh ok :) |
| [00:55:45] | Zider: | *throws a nuke at GreyFoxx* |
| [00:55:48] | Zider: | *ducks* |
| [00:55:48] | opello: | lol |
| [00:56:42] | D-side: | yeah, distro wars are worse. |
| [00:57:02] | D-side: | i mean, if you don't like the tv shows i like, you're an idiot. if you dont like the distros i like, you're an ASSHOLE. theres a huge difference. :D |
| [00:57:13] | Zider: | ;) |
| [00:57:32] | Zider: | D-side: you're a wanker even when I might agree with you, so.. ;) |
| [00:57:39] | GreyFoxx: | Nah,If you don't like the show I like you have no taste. If you don't like the distro I like then you are a clueless fool with no taste :) |
| [00:57:40] | GreyFoxx: | hehe |
| [00:57:49] | D-side: | GreyFoxx: much better. |
| [00:57:55] | dtm: | ok so yeah it seems that mythfrontend works, except it can't draw the text menus. i can even watch livetv. |
| [00:58:29] | dtm: | what could cause that? |
| [00:58:40] | GreyFoxx: | dtm: Mostly likely missing font |
| [00:58:58] | dtm: | GreyFoxx: missing from where? |
| [00:59:05] | GreyFoxx: | Your computer ? |
| [00:59:13] | dtm: | GreyFoxx: it comes from mythtv or from xfs? |
| [00:59:15] | D-side: | haha |
| [00:59:18] | GreyFoxx: | Not all fonts used by myth are provided by myth |
| [00:59:39] | dtm: | ok... i've never seen a lack of fonts elsewhere so i don't know what the package is called. |
| [00:59:52] | D-side: | afk. Heroes. |
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| [01:00:04] | informavore: | fryfrog still around? |
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| [01:01:04] | informavore: | fryfrog, did 'delete from settings where hostname='therightthing' and it said... Query OK 285 rows affected. |
| [01:01:31] | informavore: | then I restarted mythfrontend, and all my settings were gone, re-entered them. |
| [01:01:55] | informavore: | Same thing, everytime it hit 'watch TV' it claims it cannot access the DB, but it can access all the settings.... |
| [01:02:25] | informavore: | connect( as traced via strace, shows that mythfrontend is trying to connect to 0.0.0.0 .... wtf? |
| [01:02:26] | banyan: | Is there a control-alt-something or other to go to X display #2. |
| [01:02:43] | GreyFoxx: | CTRL-ALT + |
| [01:02:47] | GreyFoxx: | and CTRL-ALT - |
| [01:03:02] | dtm: | no it's ctrl-alt-F8 |
| [01:03:05] | GreyFoxx: | oh, sorry I was referring to different resolutions |
| [01:04:45] | kormoc: | depends on how many ttys are autostarted... |
| [01:05:01] | banyan: | My :0 is ctrl-alt-f7 |
| [01:05:26] | kormoc: | so yeah, f8 would be :1, f9 :2, and so on, till f11 usually |
| [01:05:42] | kormoc: | as f12 tends to be the default important message log one |
| [01:06:01] | banyan: | f8 in my case is the vnc server. |
| [01:06:24] | banyan: | sorry, :1 is in my case the vnc server. |
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| [01:07:40] | banyan: | the only thing is that I need to set the overscan on the x server on my TV. |
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| [01:07:55] | banyan: | And the doc doesn't cover the arguments for that. |
| [01:08:19] | banyan: | not on ivtvdriver.org anyway. |
| [01:08:35] | dtm: | do i have to install the myththemes src tree alongside mythtv just for basic functionality? |
| [01:08:59] | banyan: | I think you need at least one theme. |
| [01:09:10] | dtm: | i thought the mythtv src tree came with at least one default theme |
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| [01:09:23] | banyan: | I install from paclages. |
| [01:09:26] | banyan: | packages. |
| [01:09:33] | banyan: | snausages. |
| [01:09:36] | Weezey: | I accidentally set up my guide to put the guide on top of the video. how do I change it back to normal? |
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| [01:09:56] | dtm: | S N A U S A G E S ! ! ! ! |
| [01:10:24] | banyan: | a horse and pony show if there ever was one. |
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| [01:11:29] | dtm: | ok installing the myththemes tree didn't help. |
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| [01:18:08] | CableUofM: | hi, I'm looking for information on the Ati TV wonder 650 and if it will work with MythTV. Can someone please point me in the right direction? |
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| [01:23:14] | banyan: | I wonder if anyone knows the overscan setting for the X driver? |
| [01:23:20] | banyan: | for the pvr350? |
| [01:23:35] | GreyFoxx: | I didn't think there was any for the 350 |
| [01:23:49] | GreyFoxx: | I didn't think there was any controls for it at all in either ivtvctl or the X config |
| [01:24:10] | banyan: | I need to employ some, because the screen is a little too small for the display. |
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| [01:28:43] | dtm: | ok so what else would affect mythfrontend's fonts? |
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| [01:31:09] | banyan: | Maybe it's just the display overscan settings in the frontend. |
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| [01:32:08] | Borromini: | hello |
| [01:32:34] | Borromini: | i started the mythtv-setup config wizard, but after I press the button to fill the database, it bails out with the following error |
| [01:32:46] | Borromini: | 2006-10–24 03:31:04.710 RecordFilePrefix is not set? |
| [01:32:55] | Borromini: | can anyone tell me how this can be solved? |
| [01:36:36] | banyan: | hmm, have you selected your channel source? |
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| [01:37:31] | Borromini: | all i was able to do was to select the language |
| [01:37:45] | Borromini: | then i was asked to press okay to fill the database |
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| [01:37:59] | Borromini: | do i have to select channel sources before i run mythtv-setup? |
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| [01:41:48] | informavore: | anybody seen a problem where the frontend refuses to talk to the backend, only for viewing (settings work fine?) |
| [01:42:12] | Anduin: | informavore: settings are all through the DB |
| [01:43:03] | informavore: | I know, I can set my GUI settings and all, accessing the same DB, but whenever I try to watch TV, it says... 'connection timed out. You probably should modify the master server settings... |
| [01:43:29] | Anduin: | informavore: did you start using a real IP address in there? |
| [01:44:47] | informavore: | start what ? |
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| [01:45:28] | Anduin: | informavore: many lines ago you showed a connect to 0.0.0.0, this usually happens when someone types a host name into the box asking for an IP address for the backend |
| [01:46:08] | informavore: | OK... where is the box that asks for that IP address? |
| [01:46:08] | CableUofM: | Will MythTV work with a Ati TV wonder 650? |
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| [01:47:24] | Anduin: | CableUofM: look for V4L driver support |
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| [01:49:46] | informavore: | Anduin: clarify: mythfrontend.. Utilities/Setup ... Setup... General ... Hostname (Database Configuration 1/2) is set correctly. but nexting through the dialogs I get the same DB access error at the end. |
| [01:51:05] | CableUofM: | Anduin: thanks! |
| [01:53:26] | informavore: | Anduin: oh yeah, and saving settings appear to work... like I set my GUI size, etc... and it works (my GUI stops being full screen...) |
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| [02:00:16] | Anduin: | informavore: It would be in the main mythtv-setup screen. |
| [02:00:34] | D-side: | man. this heroes show rules. |
| [02:00:50] | Anduin: | informavore: and the settings screen in the frontend don't talk to the backend (making them working a poor test) |
| [02:00:57] | informavore: | anduin: so I run that on the backend? |
| [02:02:14] | Anduin: | informavore: yes |
| [02:03:42] | informavore: | anduin: OK.. started it up in ssh -X session. in General, I have IP Address for xyz: alu.mydomain.net ... Master Server IP address is the same, they are correct. |
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| [02:04:53] | Anduin: | informavore: as in nothing but numbers and dots/ |
| [02:04:53] | Anduin: | ? |
| [02:04:57] | banyan: | anyone using the x server on the pvr350? |
| [02:05:35] | Paladine: | quick question, 4000 octets/sec = how many Mbit/s? |
| [02:05:54] | banyan: | My computer monitor goes all hinky when I switch to the X server. |
| [02:05:59] | banyan: | on the ivtv card. |
| [02:06:24] | banyan: | I think an octet is just a byte. |
| [02:06:43] | Anduin: | It is |
| [02:06:55] | banyan: | so that'd be 0.004 * 8 Mbit / sec |
| [02:07:08] | banyan: | 0.032 Mbit / sec |
| [02:07:22] | CableUofM: | Anduin: "NOTE: The ATI All-in-Wonder cards (which are not the same as the ATI TV Wonder, TV Wonder VE or TV Wonder Pro) will not work as a MythTV capture device because the GATOS http://gatos.sourceforge.net drivers that are available provide only a limited subset of the V4L API. The TV Wonder series of cards are supported by the Bt8x8 Video4Linux driver. |
| [02:07:52] | banyan: | I think the TV Wonder cards are the realllllly old ones. |
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| [02:08:10] | CableUofM: | Anduin: I'm not using an all in wonder product. I'm thinking about using the new ati tv wonder 650 |
| [02:09:02] | Anduin: | CableUofM: most people use the x50/500 hauppauge cards for analog capture. |
| [02:09:03] | fryfrog: | CableUofM: Get a pvrX50 for SD, an hd5500 or air2pc card for HD |
| [02:09:12] | fryfrog: | don't fuck with questionably supported cards |
| [02:09:30] | banyan: | Go hauppauge, you won't regret it. |
| [02:09:34] | fryfrog: | or try firewire to a STB, that is going nicely for me |
| [02:09:47] | CableUofM: | fryfrog: this ati has the best pic, so it sounds like this isn't a good card to try and use with mythTV |
| [02:09:48] | fryfrog: | and aparantly these dual tuner "hd homeruns" are pretty neat? |
| [02:10:10] | D-side: | wha? |
| [02:10:11] | fryfrog: | what do you mean "best pic"? |
| [02:10:19] | fryfrog: | as in best quality picture from the tuner/encoder? |
| [02:10:26] | fryfrog: | or simply the picture of the card itself is better? |
| [02:11:25] | banyan: | Is usb 2.0 enough bandwidth to transfer a hi def signal? |
| [02:11:47] | fryfrog: | yup, there are a few hd usb2 devices |
| [02:11:54] | fryfrog: | HD is what, max of 19mbit/sec? |
| [02:11:57] | banyan: | hauppauge makes one. |
| [02:12:13] | fryfrog: | or 19mb/sec? |
| [02:12:29] | D-side: | if an hour is near 8gb.. |
| [02:12:37] | fryfrog: | either way, it isn't more than usb2, 100mbit lan or hd can take care of :) |
| [02:12:42] | fryfrog: | blech math! |
| [02:12:53] | fryfrog: | 8192/60/60? |
| [02:13:12] | fryfrog: | 2.28mb/sec? |
| [02:13:16] | fryfrog: | thats "megabytes"? |
| [02:13:39] | fryfrog: | sounds about right, lower than i thought :) |
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| [02:20:12] | Paladine: | so 200000 octets/s == 1.6Mbit/s? |
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| [02:33:21] | banyan: | where is princess fire and music? the kid? junior? |
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| [02:41:53] | CBiLL: | what a good RCA video capture card to use? just a basic analog tuner card? |
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| [02:42:49] | CableUofM: | what remotes work with mythTV? does firefly work? |
| [02:43:06] | dtm: | does anybody have any clues as to why a remote mythfrontend on FC5 can't render fonts for the menus but otherwise functions, but a FE running on the BE on rawhide works? |
| [02:43:20] | CBiLL: | I have not yet build a mythtv but my research tell me that firefly works |
| [02:43:25] | dtm: | same with mythtv-setup |
| [02:43:27] | CBiLL: | and that is the remote I am leaning to |
| [02:43:32] | dtm: | CableUofM: it's all about lirc, not about mythtv |
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| [02:49:58] | Paladine: | heya J-e-f-f-A ltns man |
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| [02:51:05] | J-e-f-f-A: | Hi guys... on my winblows box... came back from 10 days vaca to find my backend running at 100% an un-responsive. Un-plugging the network cable calmed it down. Seems I've been hacked... :-( |
| [02:51:19] | Paladine: | oops |
| [02:51:26] | Paladine: | wasn't me |
| [02:51:28] | Paladine: | honest |
| [02:51:55] | J-e-f-f-A: | I'm on a serial terminal and the local system now... Where can I find the history file for pts/9 to see what the person did? |
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| [02:54:10] | J-e-f-f-A: | Humm... might not have been hacked after all — left firefox running for several days, and it's using 99.1% of one of my cpus... Memory leak perhaps? |
| [02:54:26] | Paladine: | probably |
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| [02:54:43] | Paladine: | firefox leaks memories like an overworked whore leaks fluids |
| [02:54:49] | Paladine: | s/memories/memory |
| [02:55:10] | Paladine: | eww actually that wasnot a pleasant visual |
| [02:55:10] | J-e-f-f-A: | Paladine: ha! |
| [02:56:44] | J-e-f-f-A: | Paladine: Humm... I started firefox on Oct06.... That was just 17 days ago... ;-) |
| [02:56:58] | Paladine: | 17 days with firefox open? |
| [02:57:03] | Paladine: | you deserve to have no cpu ;p |
| [02:58:27] | J-e-f-f-A: | Paladine: Oh, look at that. did a 'killall -9 firefox-bin', and now my cpus are 98.0 and 99.0% idle... |
| [02:58:37] | Paladine: | hehehehe |
| [02:59:13] | J-e-f-f-A: | Let's see what happens when I plug the network cable back in... here we go... |
| [03:00:41] | J-e-f-f-A: | Ok, I probably did get hacked. httpd takes 40+% of both cpus off & on, and a few other processes pop to the top. |
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| [03:02:02] | Paladine: | man I am so glad I restarted my crawl |
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| [03:02:23] | J-e-f-f-A: | Paladine: Any tips on where to go from here? You can pm me if you like... |
| [03:02:28] | Paladine: | in 48 minutes I have mirrored 40528 pages |
| [03:02:57] | Paladine: | J-e-f-f-A, I am no security expert when it comes to linux |
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| [03:03:29] | Paladine: | 40528 pages in 48 minutes compared to 23500 pages in about 85 hours on the previous crawl :) |
| [03:03:52] | J-e-f-f-A: | Ah... Well, 200+ httpd processes is a bit high!!!! |
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| [03:08:42] | Paladine: | mmm I am hungry |
| [03:13:40] | ** xris curses. went out of my way to get a second HD box, ask about firewire being enabled, and forgot to check the box to see that it actually HAD a firewire port. ** | |
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| [03:15:49] | Captain_Murdoch: | and now they're probably thinking "that guy probably doesn't even know what firewire is since he didn't even notice we gave him a box without a firewire port" |
| [03:16:54] | xris: | maybe. |
| [03:20:01] | dtm: | maybe *they* didn't know what firewire is. |
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| [03:31:09] | Paladine: | http://www.floppyhead.com/2006/10/24/barenake . . . ng-industry/ <- RIAA are not gonna like that |
| [03:31:23] | Paladine: | 970 000 USD gross sales in their first week |
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| [03:34:10] | J-e-f-f-A: | Paladine: Seems like somebody gained access to my box and was sending emails (probably spam)... Killed sendmail and changed passwords while off network... Now 99% idle while on network... |
| [03:34:14] | ** Captain_Murdoch doesn't listen to barenaked-ladies, but almost wants to go pay to download their album just to bump up their numbers to make a statement. ** | |
| [03:34:55] | daedalus_: | J-e-f-f-A: no guarantee that it's clean. They may just wait a while and come back to haunt you. No true fix but a full re-install of all binaries. |
| [03:35:45] | J-e-f-f-A: | daedalus_: fudge. :-( Will last-modification timestamps be accurate, or can they fudge those too? |
| [03:35:58] | daedalus_: | J-e-f-f-A: those are fudgeable as well |
| [03:36:00] | Paladine: | daedalus_, thats not true at all |
| [03:36:07] | Paladine: | he can block all incoming ports on his box |
| [03:36:16] | Paladine: | then they can't get in regardless of what they have done |
| [03:37:50] | daedalus_: | Paladine: I can write a kernel module to get around that. |
| [03:38:22] | Paladine: | doesn't matter what you write if -all- incoming ports are blocked |
| [03:38:33] | Paladine: | if they can't access the module they can't do shit |
| [03:39:07] | daedalus_: | Paladine: The kernel ditates what ports are subject to what rules. The kernel is the rules. Modules are the kernel.... If you can change the kernel then you can circumvent rules |
| [03:39:12] | Captain_Murdoch: | and that doesn't matter one bit if their backdoor connects outbound. :) |
| [03:39:27] | daedalus_: | err dictates |
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| [03:40:00] | dtm: | does anybody have any clues as to why a remote mythfrontend on FC5 can't render fonts for the menus but otherwise functions, but a FE running on the BE on rawhide works? |
| [03:40:06] | Paladine: | reinstalling everything is a stupid suggestion, he can monitor shit and see what ports people are trying to get in on persistantly |
| [03:40:26] | Paladine: | he can check which kernel modules are loaded and remove any that are not supposed to be there |
| [03:40:32] | Captain_Murdoch: | Paladine: read my comment about outbound connections. |
| [03:40:52] | GreyFoxx: | assuming his kernel module doesn't hide itself from a list |
| [03:41:03] | GreyFoxx: | just like other hacks hide their own process from a ps, or their own files from an ls |
| [03:41:04] | daedalus_: | Paladine: Monitor with what? The version of netstat that has been hacked? The version of ethereal,tcpdump, et al that have all been replaced on his box? A rootkit will get all of those, and more. |
| [03:41:05] | Captain_Murdoch: | and if they put in a new /lib/libc.so*? |
| [03:41:05] | J-e-f-f-A: | Paladine: I'm watching top closely, and since I killed sendmail, it's 99% idle... |
| [03:41:36] | Paladine: | J-e-f-f-A, you are probably fine, ignore these paranoid fools ;) |
| [03:42:06] | daedalus_: | J-e-f-f-A: top, and ps will most likely not report nasty stuff, if nasty stuff has really happened. top and ps (and/or libc) would have been replaced to "hide" malicious processes. |
| [03:42:11] | Captain_Murdoch: | if a box has been aced, it needs a reinstall. period. |
| [03:42:21] | daedalus_: | Paladine: Is it paranoid when it's happened to you? |
| [03:42:38] | ** daedalus_ agrees with Captain_Murdoch ** | |
| [03:42:38] | J-e-f-f-A: | Paladine: I'm not gonna ignore them – they make good points. |
| [03:43:29] | GreyFoxx: | jeff: Out of curiousity ,pop that drive into another PC, mount it read only, and run a find /mountpath -mtime -2 |
| [03:43:47] | Paladine: | if I was gonna put that much effort into taking over a box, I certainly wouldn't be doing to a home machine, I wouldbe going for something with grunt and bandwidth |
| [03:43:47] | GreyFoxx: | and let it show you every file that has been modified in the last 2 days. "most' hacks don't hide that |
| [03:43:55] | GreyFoxx: | they just set the file time and not the modify time |
| [03:44:12] | J-e-f-f-A: | daedalus_ , Captain_Murdoch: On a positive note, it only appears to have just happened tonight. The web log for yesterday is very small. today it was huge. |
| [03:44:18] | daedalus_: | Paladine: the script kiddies don't put in effort. That's the first false premise of lax security. |
| [03:44:57] | J-e-f-f-A: | GreyFoxx: Humm... Can I try that without moving the drive? it's a lvds scsi drive, and I don't have a suitable controller in aother system atm.. |
| [03:45:02] | xris: | Captain_Murdoch: looks like they had the wrong part number in the system for the box I got. system says it's a 6200, but it's a 5100 |
| [03:45:22] | xris: | they're going to swap it free of charge (since I went out of my way to go to their store to exchange the SD box) |
| [03:45:28] | GreyFoxx: | J-e-f-f-A: Sure, boot of a cd and do it so that you don';t have a modified find command |
| [03:46:21] | daedalus_: | Paladine: besides, your typical american home machine is connected to a 6M/768k cablemodem. THat's a lot of power for one bot. Multiply by a few hundred and you have quite the army. |
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| [03:46:29] | Captain_Murdoch: | xris: cool. most stuff I recorded tonight was off HD with spillover onto my analog cards for the 3rd recording if there was one at the time. |
| [03:46:35] | J-e-f-f-A: | Paladine: Well, I've got the bandwidth ... 15mbps down, 2mbps up... Maybe not an isp bandwidth, but more than most people... |
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| [03:47:54] | Paladine: | J-e-f-f-A, then you deserve being hax0red for having more bandwidth than we can even buy in the UK ;p |
| [03:48:40] | J-e-f-f-A: | Paladine: God love ya! (Somebody's got to!) ;-) |
| [03:48:45] | Paladine: | hehehe |
| [03:49:00] | J-e-f-f-A: | Paladine: And that's $44.95/month usd... ;-) |
| [03:49:02] | Paladine: | damn I am gonna need to get another hd in my remote server at the rate these pages are mirroring |
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| [03:49:42] | Paladine: | dude I pay like $60 USD p/m for 8Mbit down and 448Kbit up on a rate adaptive service |
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| [03:49:54] | Paladine: | so I hate you :p |
| [03:50:04] | daedalus_: | J-e-f-f-A: where are you getting that deal? |
| [03:51:23] | daedalus_: | daedalus_: I was paying $120/mo for a high quality 8MB/1MB connection. |
| [03:51:30] | J-e-f-f-A: | daedalus_: Verizon FiOS – Fibre Optic Service... ;-) I'm only ~25 miles from Boston... ;-) |
| [03:51:36] | daedalus_: | Nice! |
| [03:52:19] | Paladine: | ah well you live near Boston, so I guess I can let you off ;p I wouldn't move to boston for FiOS |
| [03:52:21] | Paladine: | bwahahahaha |
| [03:52:27] | J-e-f-f-A: | daedalus_: If you're near a major us city, check if it's available (or scheduled to be) soon... |
| [03:52:55] | Paladine: | (actually I would cos I am a whore for bw but thats besides the point) ;) |
| [03:53:14] | J-e-f-f-A: | Paladine: Well, I don't live IN boston. I've lived here for nearly 20 years, and have gone to Boston only twice if you exclude the flights out of Logan airport... |
| [03:53:41] | Paladine: | my son is called Logan... scarey... |
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| [03:54:25] | Paladine: | missuswouldn't let me call him Logon or Daemon |
| [04:00:09] | Spicerun: | Is xvmc still considered a lib that does not work well with HDTV (ATSC specifically)? |
| [04:02:15] | Spicerun: | I'd get banned if I asked this question in #mythtv wouldn't I? |
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| [04:07:02] | J-e-f-f-A: | Spicerun: I don't know... I'm using it with ATSC on a 1GHz PIII to get 1080i to play fine. |
| [04:07:37] | J-e-f-f-A: | Spicerun: BTW – that's a frontend only machine. |
| [04:07:51] | Spicerun: | What type of FSB mobo do you have & what type of memory, J-e-f-f-A ? |
| [04:08:16] | Spicerun: | I have my backend and frontend together on a P4–3.0ghz machine |
| [04:08:55] | Spicerun: | I'm playing 720p on it, and most except NBC & ABC HD play well (NBC & ABC HD are choppy). |
| [04:08:56] | J-e-f-f-A: | Spicerun: Scraps... It's a Dell P.O.S... PIII 1Ghz, 512mb ram (PC133), Nvidia GF440 card – FC4, Myth .19 |
| [04:09:06] | Spicerun: | hmm |
| [04:09:19] | J-e-f-f-A: | Spicerun: What resolution are you running at? |
| [04:09:52] | Spicerun: | J-e-f-f-A: mythtv-0.20, 1Gb ram (DDR3200), Nvidia GFX6600–256Mb. |
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| [04:10:24] | Spicerun: | J-e-f-f-A: Resolution 1280x720 desktop size, 1280x720p tv output. |
| [04:13:42] | J-e-f-f-A: | Spicerun: Strange that it would be choppy... It was choppy with resolutin at 1024x768, but I pumped it up as high as my monitor would go (older panasonic 20") – Which was something like 1152x864 iirc (mach is upstairs atm)... 1080i plays smooth 95% of the time using XVMC. |
| [04:15:17] | Spicerun: | J-e-f-f-A: Interesting......you think I should put it up to 1920x1580? |
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| [04:16:59] | J-e-f-f-A: | Spicerun: Maybe you could try a higher resolution and see if it helps... 1920x1580 might be excessive! Maybe 1280x1080p? (If your monitor/tv can do that) |
| [04:17:38] | Spicerun: | J-e-f-f-A: No, my tv can 0nly do 1280x720p max. |
| [04:18:09] | CBiLL: | what card should I use to capture from rca video port from a sat box? |
| [04:18:16] | CBiLL: | a standard analog tuner card? |
| [04:18:17] | J-e-f-f-A: | Spicerun: Maybe try 1280x1080i ? (Should be the same as 720p, but maybe myth will treat it differently???) |
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| [04:19:15] | Spicerun: | J-e-f-f-A: I've already tried that one, It acted the same, and the picture wasn't as good as the 720p picture. |
| [04:19:19] | J-e-f-f-A: | CBiLL: I recommend Happauge PVR-150, 250, or 500 (500 is dual-tuner 150) – That's a hardware encoder card. (Unless you want to use mpeg4 or divx...) |
| [04:19:58] | CBiLL: | hrmm but I don't need a tuner on the card itself since it will be coming from a dss reciever |
| [04:20:15] | CBiLL: | hrmm maybe a tuner card is the way to go |
| [04:20:17] | J-e-f-f-A: | Spicerun: Humm.... Not sure whate else to suggest then. Maybe some of the other HD-enabled *HDTV OUTPUT* guys can help you... I'm using computer monitors atm!!! |
| [04:20:37] | CBiLL: | what do you recommand for a OTA HDTV card? |
| [04:20:50] | J-e-f-f-A: | CBiLL: Yes, but they have composite and S-video input. I'm using a 250 and 500 with 3 dish receivers via S-Video. |
| [04:21:36] | Spicerun: | J-e-f-f-A: well, thanks for any suggestions...I may try upping the desktop resolution & see what happens. |
| [04:21:38] | CBiLL: | 3? so 1 on 250 and 2 on 500? 500 got 2 s-video? |
| [04:21:53] | Spicerun: | keeping the 9–16 aspect ration of course. |
| [04:22:11] | J-e-f-f-A: | CBiLL: I personally use an HD3000, but it's no longer available... There's lots of new ota cards — I'd check the archives to see what people are using... |
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| [04:22:28] | J-e-f-f-A: | CBiLL: Yes. The 500 has two tuners, they both have s-video and composite inputs. |
| [04:22:58] | CBiLL: | nice Ill have to look into that tuner card then |
| [04:23:11] | CBiLL: | it is closed captioned supported right? |
| [04:23:26] | J-e-f-f-A: | Spicerun: Hopefully it helps... I thought it was a bit strange when it worked for me, but then again, it didn't have to *compress* the hd signal as much with a higher resolution... |
| [04:23:58] | J-e-f-f-A: | CBiLL: Umm... I think with the latest version of IVTV it is, but you'll have to check their site to be sure. (It didn't used to be supported iirc) |
| [04:24:08] | Spicerun: | J-e-f-f-A: Good Point. Thanks. |
| [04:24:45] | CBiLL: | pardon me I am still learning about dvr and mythtv .. researching on getting hardware together .. what's IVTV? a linux driver? |
| [04:25:35] | opello: | yeah |
| [04:25:44] | CBiLL: | thanks |
| [04:26:00] | opello: | np |
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| [04:26:35] | J-e-f-f-A: | CBiLL: Yeah, it's the driver project for the Hauppauge cards (and others as well now) check out http://ivtvdriver.org |
| [04:29:54] | CBiLL: | thanks .. making notes of it |
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| [04:30:05] | ender224455: | hi |
| [04:30:22] | ender224455: | anyone here? |
| [04:30:22] | J-e-f-f-A: | CBiLL: NP |
| [04:30:36] | ender224455: | is there a way to access "nvidia-settings" on a remote computer? |
| [04:30:40] | J-e-f-f-A: | ender224455: autoreply: Nope, nobody here. |
| [04:30:57] | ender224455: | I keep having them reset each time I reset the mythtv box, and I don' thave a keyboard plugged in to it |
| [04:32:08] | J-e-f-f-A: | ender224455: dunno-- but you can always edit the xorg.conf file remotely |
| [04:32:46] | ender224455: | J-e-f-f-A: where is that located? |
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| [04:33:34] | J-e-f-f-A: | ender224455: On fc4 it's in /etc/X11/xorg.conf — I think it's in the same place on other distros, but I'm not 100% sure... |
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| [04:44:39] | dtm: | mine is funky in the bad way |
| [04:45:01] | dtm: | because for those of you JUST tuning in, my remote mythfrontend can not display fonts |
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| [04:53:26] | JoshT76: | hello all |
| [04:53:57] | JoshT76: | is there a way to add reboot and shutdown functions to the menu system in the frontend? |
| [04:59:28] | JoshT76: | hello anyone here? |
| [05:00:12] | opello: | hi |
| [05:00:22] | JoshT76: | what's up? |
| [05:00:25] | JoshT76: | is there a way to add reboot and shutdown functions to the menu system in the frontend? |
| [05:00:47] | JoshT76: | i want to be able to reboot the entire box from mythtv |
| [05:00:49] | opello: | apparently in the latest version you can make menuitems that run programs |
| [05:00:53] | opello: | or i saw that mentioned earlier today |
| [05:01:12] | opello: | there could be hope there :) otherwise, i use fluxbox, and have keyboard shrtcuts for that |
| [05:01:50] | JoshT76: | i been reading afew things on that, but i'm trying to figure out how to sudo a reboot in ubuntu, have that in a script??? does that sound possible? |
| [05:02:36] | opello: | probably |
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| [05:02:46] | Spicerun: | dtm, which version of Xorg, and are you using Nvidia's driver? |
| [05:03:56] | JoshT76: | probably need a shutdown and a reboot in a suemenu so it's not accidental, or replace the exit menu with another menu with the three options, exit, reboot, shutdown... |
| [05:04:09] | dtm: | Spicerun: it's FC5, xorg 7.0.0, free nv driver |
| [05:04:14] | JoshT76: | suemenu=submenu |
| [05:04:30] | opello: | JoshT76: maybe something with gksudo if you want to have to supply a password |
| [05:04:43] | JoshT76: | right on |
| [05:05:00] | opello: | what window manager? |
| [05:05:21] | Spicerun: | dtm: Ok, just wondering...I know the Latest Nvidia driver will not run with Xorg-7.1 (as you probably know too). |
| [05:05:22] | JoshT76: | for me? what ever dapper installs, gnome i think?? |
| [05:05:28] | opello: | ah |
| [05:05:34] | Spicerun: | dtm: Sorry, I can't help you then. |
| [05:05:34] | JoshT76: | i'm linux newbie |
| [05:05:36] | dtm: | Spicerun: well, i'm just talking about fonts, not the video driver |
| [05:05:42] | dtm: | Spicerun: and only in this one app |
| [05:06:04] | RyeBrye: | Is there a way to generate screenshots automatically for mythgame? |
| [05:06:10] | RyeBrye: | (in Myth 0.20) |
| [05:06:23] | opello: | JoshT76: apparently somewhere there's a shutdown command option |
| [05:06:24] | JoshT76: | i got the new svn, glad to see mytharchive compilescorectly now, that's a nice feature, but the test dvd i burned has no sound... |
| [05:06:33] | dtm: | Spicerun: even a guess is helpful :) thanks |
| [05:06:42] | Spicerun: | dtm: Nvidia's driver main bug was that font's were invisible in Xorg-7.1...that's why I thought. Sounds like you're well into the troubleshooting though, and the xorg-7.1 isn't it. Sorry. |
| [05:06:48] | dtm: | :-o |
| [05:06:54] | dtm: | Spicerun: weird. |
| [05:07:03] | Spicerun: | dtm: I saw it for myself. |
| [05:07:05] | dtm: | Spicerun: i've never heard of such a thing. how bizarre. |
| [05:07:12] | Spicerun: | dtm: It was. |
| [05:07:27] | RyeBrye: | All fonts, or just some fonts? |
| [05:07:28] | dtm: | i can't imagine how a video driver would or could or should interfere with fonts. |
| [05:07:42] | Spicerun: | Fortunately, the latest Nvidia driver works with Xorg-7.1 now. |
| [05:07:46] | RyeBrye: | 8774? |
| [05:07:48] | Spicerun: | RyeBrye: All fonts in my case. |
| [05:07:58] | Spicerun: | RyeBrye: I believe so. |
| [05:08:09] | RyeBrye: | Oh... I was hopeful it was some fonts – because most of the cool themes show no text on my setup |
| [05:08:30] | RyeBrye: | and was hoping upgrading to a beta driver of 9whatever is out now might fix it :( |
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| [05:10:17] | RyeBrye: | Is there a release timetable for MythTV – or any idea when 0.21 will be out? |
| [05:11:06] | Spicerun: | J-e-f-f-A: BTW, I unchecked the make video the timebase option....video and audio are both better. |
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| [05:18:29] | Squeee: | I have a pvr500 that isn't giving me audio. I can use mplayer to view the video stream (/dev/videoX) but i can't hear anything |
| [05:18:49] | dtm: | RyeBrye: when it's done. |
| [05:18:55] | RyeBrye: | :) |
| [05:19:00] | dtm: | it's a volunteer project. so get to work. |
| [05:19:43] | RyeBrye: | I guess my first step would be to build the svn... |
| [05:23:12] | Dagmar: | Squeee: And which version of ivtv are you using? |
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| [05:25:12] | Squeee: | Dagmar: 0.8.0 |
| [05:26:00] | Dagmar: | Squeee: You'd better be using kernel 2.6.18 or newer then, but aside from that, I suggest you check your syslog for what the driver is saying when it loads. Sounds like you left out the kernel modules needed for _audio_ |
| [05:26:54] | Squeee: | i'm running 2.6.17-10–386. Ivtv 0.8.0 is what came in the edgy repository |
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| [05:28:53] | Dagmar: | You should probably hassle the people who made it then |
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| [05:57:50] | vballrican: | hello everyone |
| [05:58:04] | vballrican: | does anyone know where i can find the xmame config file? |
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| [06:01:12] | Juski: | in ~/.xmame ? |
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| [07:04:25] | obf213: | i just downloaded mythtv how do i fidn servers |
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| [07:10:23] | CBiLL: | any1 here got a pvr500? |
| [07:10:53] | slaine_: | yup |
| [07:11:25] | CBiLL: | I am reading up on pvr500 card |
| [07:11:43] | CBiLL: | and read that the newer pvr500 sucks becasue they swapped out a different brand tuner now on it |
| [07:11:47] | CBiLL: | is that true? |
| [07:12:25] | CBiLL: | they said old 500 was using panisonic tuner and the new 500 is using samsung tuner |
| [07:13:49] | slaine_: | I thought it used a Philips tuner |
| [07:13:58] | ** slaine_ shrugs ** | |
| [07:14:12] | slaine_: | I got mine a few months back and have had 0 problems with it. |
| [07:14:28] | CBiLL: | do you know if your a samsung or philip/pansonic tuner? |
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| [07:14:58] | slaine_: | I'm pretty sure I've a philips one, but I couldn't be certain, and don't have access to the box right now to confirm |
| [07:15:06] | CBiLL: | np |
| [07:15:18] | olds|h: | does anyone here use a Hauppauge PVR-500, PVR-250, or PVR-150 |
| [07:15:20] | CBiLL: | I hope the card I buy will be ok 8-P |
| [07:16:36] | slaine_: | CBiLL, what exactly sucks about the new tuner ? |
| [07:17:13] | CBiLL: | they saying grainy and sometime fuzzy on the lower range channels |
| [07:17:24] | olds|h: | I'm curious as to user experiences regarding the pvr-150 and the pvr-500 |
| [07:17:42] | CBiLL: | I have a wintv card here |
| [07:17:54] | CBiLL: | and I like it very much but have not tried it as a pvr or anything like that |
| [07:17:54] | olds|h: | which one |
| [07:18:04] | CBiLL: | just a plain wintv card I paid 19 dollar for heh |
| [07:18:12] | olds|h: | ahh |
| [07:18:12] | CBiLL: | let me look sec |
| [07:18:45] | CBiLL: | it just says wintv |
| [07:18:58] | olds|h: | yea I have an old wintv card like that |
| [07:19:00] | CBiLL: | only see a coax and video in rca |
| [07:19:13] | olds|h: | I put it in my mythbox and it didn't work worth crap |
| [07:19:18] | CBiLL: | and a line out |
| [07:19:26] | CBiLL: | a friend of mine is using it in his mythbox |
| [07:19:48] | CBiLL: | but I think he using the rca video composite to his sat reciever box |
| [07:20:03] | olds|h: | I'm torn as to whether I should get 2 PVR-150s or 1 PVR-500 |
| [07:20:04] | CBiLL: | he says work great for the 19 dollar |
| [07:20:14] | olds|h: | the wiki seems to indicate that there are issues with the PVR-500 |
| [07:20:26] | CBiLL: | yeah I am concern about that too |
| [07:20:38] | CBiLL: | reason why I want a 500 becasue I want to go with mirco atx board |
| [07:20:39] | olds|h: | but I'm not sure how relevant the comments are since the release of 0.20 |
| [07:20:46] | CBiLL: | and there like only 2 pci slot on it |
| [07:21:02] | CBiLL: | and 1 pci express |
| [07:21:10] | CBiLL: | so I want to go with |
| [07:21:18] | CBiLL: | a pvr tuner card .. a dual and one hdtv card |
| [07:21:40] | olds|h: | I have 2 DVB cards in mine right now |
| [07:21:45] | CBiLL: | but I got another problem |
| [07:21:54] | CBiLL: | how do I do digital sound on htpc |
| [07:21:55] | olds|h: | I might put a HDTV card in there |
| [07:22:00] | CBiLL: | do I need to get a sound card for it? |
| [07:22:14] | olds|h: | well does the motherboard have digital sound outputs? |
| [07:22:20] | CBiLL: | to play back dvd disc movie with 5.1 surround digital card |
| [07:22:31] | CBiLL: | oh I can get motherboard that support digital outputs? |
| [07:22:36] | olds|h: | yea |
| [07:22:38] | olds|h: | they exist |
| [07:22:38] | CBiLL: | never seen a motherboard like this before |
| [07:22:47] | CBiLL: | well that will be a bonus then |
| [07:22:51] | CBiLL: | one less pci slot |
| [07:22:56] | olds|h: | I don't know about digital inputs though |
| [07:23:13] | CBiLL: | hdtv should have the input |
| [07:23:15] | CBiLL: | wouldn't they? |
| [07:23:20] | olds|h: | huh? |
| [07:23:22] | CBiLL: | hdtv card I mean |
| [07:23:29] | olds|h: | no |
| [07:23:34] | CBiLL: | or unless it video in card only |
| [07:23:40] | CBiLL: | I am still researching on this |
| [07:23:43] | olds|h: | I think you're confused |
| [07:23:49] | CBiLL: | I think your right |
| [07:23:52] | CBiLL: | *laughs* |
| [07:23:55] | olds|h: | HDTV cards are for receiving hdtv signals over the air |
| [07:23:58] | olds|h: | broadcasted |
| [07:24:11] | CBiLL: | yeah but where does the sound over the air goes to? |
| [07:24:14] | CBiLL: | same to the card? |
| [07:24:18] | olds|h: | it's in the signal |
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| [07:24:22] | olds|h: | kinda like a satellite signal |
| [07:24:37] | CBiLL: | so is the audio signal also digital in hdtv? |
| [07:24:42] | olds|h: | of course |
| [07:25:05] | CBiLL: | so basically I don't have to worry about audio digital in then |
| [07:25:12] | olds|h: | well |
| [07:25:19] | CBiLL: | if I am going to use 5.1 sat box .. it will be link to the A/V reciever |
| [07:25:25] | CBiLL: | not to the htpc |
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| [07:25:55] | olds|h: | well the problem there is delay |
| [07:26:04] | CBiLL: | oh your right about that |
| [07:26:12] | CBiLL: | I did not think about the timewarp delay |
| [07:26:14] | olds|h: | you're going to have video going through the mythbox, but audio going around the mythbox |
| [07:26:24] | CBiLL: | yeah your right |
| [07:26:34] | CBiLL: | damn |
| [07:26:43] | CBiLL: | didn't think about PVR's delay or timewarp |
| [07:26:55] | olds|h: | so yea, you will need an audio card, or a fancy motherboard |
| [07:27:07] | CBiLL: | yup if I want to get digital from my sat box |
| [07:27:10] | CBiLL: | hrmmp |
| [07:27:22] | ** olds|h is curious if they make motherboards that meet your needs ** | |
| [07:27:24] | ** olds|h researches ** | |
| [07:27:29] | CBiLL: | oh hell I probably stick with analog on the sat box |
| [07:27:37] | CBiLL: | and only worry about dvd digital audios |
| [07:28:26] | CBiLL: | gotta be mirco atx cuz the htpc case I wanted only take mircos |
| [07:29:09] | olds|h: | so it looks like most motherboards these days have S/PDIF IN and OUT ports for digital audio |
| [07:30:16] | CBiLL: | they do? nice |
| [07:30:25] | obf213: | i just downloaded myth tv on my computer, when i open it it asks for language, then it says something about it couldnt find my database, then it the screen says use frontend options and wake up on lan and if i click next it just closes |
| [07:30:44] | olds|h: | you need to open up mysql |
| [07:30:51] | olds|h: | and set that stuff up |
| [07:30:58] | Dagmar: | how exactly did you "download mythtv"? |
| [07:31:26] | olds|h: | CBiLL: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813127009 |
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| [07:31:31] | olds|h: | that even has HDMI output |
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| [07:31:35] | CBiLL: | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813128024 |
| [07:32:14] | CBiLL: | going with core2 duo cpu |
| [07:32:19] | CBiLL: | what you think of that board? |
| [07:32:28] | olds|h: | see I'm not sure that board has digital in/out |
| [07:32:45] | CBiLL: | I wonder that those "extra" audio jack are for |
| [07:32:53] | olds|h: | those aren't digital |
| [07:33:05] | olds|h: | yea that board doesn't have digital |
| [07:33:39] | CBiLL: | ah I see the in/out opticial on that board you showed me |
| [07:33:55] | olds|h: | yea |
| [07:34:00] | olds|h: | like little square |
| [07:34:05] | olds|h: | *squares |
| [07:34:09] | CBiLL: | yup |
| [07:34:16] | CBiLL: | I am more a fan of coax digital myself |
| [07:34:23] | ** olds|h shrugs ** | |
| [07:34:28] | olds|h: | I don't even own speakers |
| [07:34:33] | olds|h: | I just use the ones on my tv |
| [07:34:51] | olds|h: | <-- college student |
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| [07:34:55] | CBiLL: | got a surround system here with 2 woofers .. I am a deaf man |
| [07:35:00] | CBiLL: | so I like shaking room |
| [07:35:04] | CBiLL: | 8-) |
| [07:35:16] | olds|h: | I spent almost $300 on my mythbox |
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| [07:35:33] | olds|h: | and for me, that's a lot :) |
| [07:35:36] | ** Juski pops in, briefly ** | |
| [07:35:53] | CBiLL: | real reason I am gonna built htpc is becasue I am adding a projector and need something that can extract Closed Caption from video source and overlay it on the video before sending it to the projector |
| [07:36:14] | CBiLL: | since unlike TV that can decode CC .. projector cannot |
| [07:36:14] | olds|h: | ahh |
| [07:36:22] | olds|h: | which projector |
| [07:36:34] | olds|h: | I used to do A/V work at a previous job |
| [07:36:38] | slaine_: | olds|h, I've a pvr-500 |
| [07:36:44] | CBiLL: | cool |
| [07:36:50] | olds|h: | slaine: how's it work in 0.20 ? |
| [07:37:45] | slaine_: | I'm still on 0.19, but my colleague here has his on 0.20 and it works fine |
| [07:38:02] | olds|h: | no audio issues as reported on the wiki? |
| [07:38:05] | CBiLL: | did newegg take out the selector search box? where you select which feature you are looking for in a product and it search nearest match |
| [07:38:19] | olds|h: | click Advanced Search on the lefthand side |
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| [07:38:35] | Juski: | CBiLL: CC doesn't work in Hauppauge pvr150 or 500 cards yet, but software encoding capture cards & digital TV cards (ATSC, QAM) will support CC capture (it's in the stream already in the case of digital) |
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| [07:38:55] | CBiLL: | eeek |
| [07:39:08] | slaine_: | olds|h, Nope |
| [07:39:14] | olds|h: | hmph |
| [07:39:21] | olds|h: | oh, 1 other question slaine |
| [07:39:24] | CBiLL: | is it because it not in the ivit driver or it's the hauppauge hardware that not supporting cc? |
| [07:39:30] | olds|h: | on the card it has 2 coax inputs |
| [07:39:34] | olds|h: | are those both for cable tv |
| [07:39:36] | olds|h: | or is 1 FM |
| [07:39:44] | Juski: | arse. time to hit the road. see you at the linuxworld expo, if you're going http://www.mythtvtalk.com/linuxworld_2006.php :) |
| [07:40:07] | CBiLL: | so what card should I go with then since I depend on CC |
| [07:40:10] | Juski: | CBiLL: ivtv doesn't. NTSC CC support is about to make it into a released driver, or might've done already |
| [07:40:32] | Juski: | as I said just about any V4L card, ATSC or QAM.. or a pvr250 or pvr350 :) |
| [07:40:36] | Juski: | I'm outta here |
| [07:40:43] | CBiLL: | thanks for the head up Juski |
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| [07:41:18] | CBiLL: | ok still looking for that advance search button |
| [07:42:09] | CBiLL: | found it |
| [07:42:15] | olds|h: | :) |
| [07:42:52] | olds|h: | slaine? |
| [07:43:24] | slaine_: | olds|h, One is for TV and the other is for FM |
| [07:43:34] | olds|h: | so how does the dual tuner thing work then |
| [07:43:34] | slaine_: | The card then splits the signal internally |
| [07:43:39] | olds|h: | gotcha |
| [07:43:45] | olds|h: | very cool then |
| [07:44:06] | slaine_: | There's two physical tuners on the card, a PVR-500 is essentially two PVR-150's on once PCI card. |
| [07:44:11] | olds|h: | yea |
| [07:44:14] | olds|h: | that's what I've read |
| [07:44:23] | Dagmar: | It would be cooler if the FM radio tuner had it's own circuit instead of occupying tuner1, but dem's da breaks |
| [07:44:26] | olds|h: | seems like a good product if it works like it should |
| [07:45:01] | slaine_: | olds|h, Works very well, especially if you're using a lower spec box, like an EPIA or something |
| [07:45:16] | olds|h: | I'm using a somewhat higher end box |
| [07:45:26] | olds|h: | 2.6ghz Pentium D Celeron |
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| [07:45:58] | slaine_: | Probably couldn't handle 2 mpeg encodings and 1 decode at the same time thought. |
| [07:46:07] | slaine_: | s/tought/though |
| [07:46:07] | olds|h: | nope |
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| [07:46:54] | slaine_: | My EPIA 1.2GHz can thanks to hardware acceleration, the PVR-500 can mpeg2 encode 2 streams at once in hardware, and the CLE266 gfx card can decode an mpeg2 stream too |
| [07:47:03] | slaine_: | All at a load of about 15% |
| [07:47:23] | olds|h: | very nice |
| [07:47:28] | olds|h: | my other inputs on the box are DVB |
| [07:47:32] | Dagmar: | well, at 1.2ghz you should be able to play SD video full screen anyway, and the tuner does all the encoding work |
| [07:48:05] | slaine_: | DVB-T has just started here in Ireland, but to be honest, I see little point as the 4 native Irish stations are shite |
| [07:48:16] | olds|h: | DVB-S here |
| [07:48:31] | olds|h: | looks like it's using 1% or so right now |
| [07:48:58] | olds|h: | watching this live (replay of Spurs v West Ham) |
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| [07:53:22] | CBiLL: | damn look like I can't find a mirco atx board for the features I wanted .. probably have to go full atx and get a full atx htpc case instead hmmmrp |
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| [07:54:11] | olds|h: | I went with miniATX |
| [07:54:24] | CBiLL: | what case did you choose? |
| [07:54:33] | olds|h: | or maybe it was something else |
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| [07:54:39] | olds|h: | I went with some cheap case |
| [07:54:48] | olds|h: | it was like $18 |
| [07:54:58] | olds|h: | it's actually not too bad |
| [07:55:09] | olds|h: | here, lemme find the link |
| [07:55:11] | CBiLL: | desktop or tower? |
| [07:55:43] | olds|h: | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16811108031 |
| [07:55:45] | CBiLL: | I kinda want a case like this http://www.newegg.com/Product/ShowImage.asp?I . . . 280SA+Silver |
| [07:55:49] | CBiLL: | wow long link lol |
| [07:55:51] | olds|h: | I just lay it on its side |
| [07:55:52] | CBiLL: | sorry about that |
| [07:56:06] | olds|h: | oh |
| [07:56:08] | CBiLL: | a case with no door on the front but the usb and firewire plug is on the front |
| [07:56:19] | CBiLL: | I don't like flip doors |
| [07:56:26] | olds|h: | hmph |
| [07:56:28] | CBiLL: | and I don't need those video plug either |
| [07:56:45] | olds|h: | I didn't care about looks that much |
| [07:56:48] | CBiLL: | just the usb and firewire and maybe a removable plate where I can add a VFD in the future |
| [07:56:58] | olds|h: | just something plain |
| [07:57:22] | olds|h: | I think HTPC cases are overpriced for what you get |
| [07:57:34] | CBiLL: | yeah your right |
| [07:57:38] | CBiLL: | but they are sooooo nice |
| [07:57:41] | CBiLL: | 6-/ |
| [07:57:44] | CBiLL: | 8-/ |
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| [07:58:24] | slaine_: | I've fallen in love with the mCubbed HFX case |
| [07:58:35] | CBiLL: | link please |
| [07:58:46] | slaine_: | |
| [07:58:51] | CBiLL: | I am still hunting for a case |
| [07:59:32] | CBiLL: | that a nice looking case |
| [07:59:43] | CBiLL: | but is it only avaiable in euro? |
| [07:59:52] | slaine_: | http://www.kustompcs.co.uk/acatalog/info_1276.html |
| [08:00:02] | CBiLL: | yeah I am looking over here now |
| [08:00:07] | CBiLL: | seeing if there a usa dealer |
| [08:00:26] | slaine_: | What I like about that picture is that the rear shows an SCART (Euro) connector |
| [08:00:37] | CBiLL: | ahhh |
| [08:00:40] | CBiLL: | I see it |
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| [08:01:07] | slaine_: | I've a 32" analogue CRT tv, and the best quality signal I can put into it is an RGB feed via one of it's SCART sockets |
| [08:01:09] | CBiLL: | damn somewhere gonna be some china knockoff htpc cases for dirt cheap |
| [08:01:34] | CBiLL: | well first I gotta find a mobo I am gonna use now |
| [08:01:43] | CBiLL: | since I am not sure if I will find what I wanted in mirco size |
| [08:02:42] | slaine_: | I knocked mine together from spare gear at work, just had to pay for the pvr-500 |
| [08:02:49] | CBiLL: | nice |
| [08:02:57] | olds|h: | http://www.directron.com/nsk2400.html |
| [08:02:59] | olds|h: | I like that |
| [08:03:05] | slaine_: | It's working nicely now, just not as quiet as I'd like and the cast sucks |
| [08:03:27] | CBiLL: | wow that a nice one |
| [08:03:32] | CBiLL: | bookmarking that |
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| [08:04:54] | CBiLL: | http://usa.asus.com/products4.aspx?l1=3&l . . . ;modelmenu=1 |
| [08:04:59] | CBiLL: | what u think of this board? |
| [08:06:00] | CBiLL: | oh shoot it's s/dif out only |
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| [08:11:53] | olds|h: | I have class in like 6 hours, I'm off to bed |
| [08:13:00] | CBiLL: | n |
| [08:13:02] | CBiLL: | nn |
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| [08:30:21] | Dibblah: | Well, that's fun. To anyone running XFS: Upgrade to 2.6.17.7+ NOW. Upgrade xfs_repair to 2.8.11. Run xfs_repair. Swear a lot if you're using x86, since xfs_repair uses 5Gb of VM for a 1.4Tb filesystem. |
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| [08:31:49] | Dibblah: | ... And of course you only have a maximum of 4Gb virtual address space in x86. |
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| [08:32:54] | Dibblah: | Moving the array across to an amd64 system then gives a failure due to some small issues with the log, which you then have to blank before running xfs_repair again. |
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| [08:34:10] | Dibblah: | Oh. And be prepared for it to take a _long_ time. With 1.5Gb ram, 6 spindles of swap and an AMD64 3500+, it took 72 hours. |
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| [09:22:23] | Paladine: | phear my leetness |
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| [09:22:46] | Paladine: | I have almost half a millions webpages mirrored on my server and by the endof today it will be closer to 1.5 million bwahahahaha |
| [09:23:04] | Merlin83b: | Sounds pointless :) |
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| [09:23:20] | Paladine: | actually there is a very serious point to it |
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| [09:27:54] | Merlin83b: | Are we allowed to be told the point, Paladine? |
| [09:28:30] | Paladine: | its for a research project |
| [09:28:46] | Paladine: | mirroring all the .ac.uk web pages and building an academic search engine |
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| [09:32:38] | Merlin83b: | Paladine: mirror.ac.uk? |
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| [09:33:34] | Paladine: | no mirror.ac.uk is University of Kent software repo |
| [09:33:58] | Paladine: | it just mirrors all the software form places like tucows/downloads.com etc |
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| [10:19:22] | phyber: | Oct 22 18:31:39 midgar kernel: cx88[0]/2: cx8802_timeout |
| [10:19:22] | phyber: | Oct 22 18:32:40 midgar last message repeated 122 times |
| [10:19:29] | phyber: | anyone else see crap like this in their debug logs? |
| [10:19:55] | phyber: | I'd really like a way to stop it throwing that crap and have dmesg actually show useful information again. |
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| [10:30:28] | Dagmar: | Damn I totally forgot how needlessly complex apache is |
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| [11:19:43] | Dagmar: | Here's an odd thing that never occurred to me before... There's nothing like a list of genres for categorizing on the web |
| [11:21:29] | Merlin83b: | Google Directory? Yahoo? |
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| [11:33:33] | phyber: | can mythtranscode be made to transcode to another .mpg file when it transcodes, instead of .nuv ? |
| [11:34:18] | phyber: | I can run mythtranscode manually over the file and tell it to do an MPEG2->MPEG2 transcode. which fixes the file so that my KiSS DVD player can play it over the network. I'd like it to do that when it auto transcodes. |
| [11:35:23] | Dagmar: | Merlin83b: As close as I get using Google is something on Amazon which doesn't seem like it's a very good grouping |
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| [11:50:25] | Paladine: | http://rmitz.org/freebsd.daemon.html <- both scarey and funny |
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| [11:50:43] | Honk^away: | is there any way to make mythvideo handle utf8 properly? |
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| [11:51:09] | Paladine: | properly in what sense? |
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| [11:51:26] | Honk^away: | as in not asking me every single time if i want to remove the file :) |
| [11:51:34] | Paladine: | I haven't noticed any problems with mythvideo |
| [11:51:53] | Paladine: | I haven't deleted anything in mythvideo |
| [11:52:08] | Paladine: | I add things to it I wanna watch and keep on the LAN |
| [11:52:19] | Honk^away: | every time i refresh the video list it tells me that it cant find some of my files |
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| [11:52:30] | Honk^away: | which i didnt touch in months ;) |
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| [12:32:12] | Honk^away: | actually the locale was wrong.. sudo reset it without me noticing :] |
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| [12:35:02] | dorel__: | im running on mythtv-20-fixes from svn now |
| [12:35:10] | dorel__: | looks good so far |
| [12:35:50] | dorel__: | except for the dvd rip which freezes (this also happened with the previous version i had of 0.19.06) |
| [12:36:09] | dorel__: | i wonder if it's maybe cause the dvd is scratched or something |
| [12:36:53] | quicksilver: | DVD rips are very intolerant to media errors, I heard |
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| [12:43:20] | fryfrog: | can you rip the dvd on winblows, with something like dvd shrink? |
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| [12:49:42] | Weezey: | I've somehow made it so that the guide is on top of the video transparently instead of in the little preview window, but I can't seem to find any way to undo what I've done. Any clues? |
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| [12:52:05] | fryfrog: | what? |
| [12:52:39] | dorel__: | fryfrog: i havent tried |
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| [12:53:05] | dorel__: | fryfrog: im trying to just play the dvd now and hope it'll stuck during the play which would point to the fact that the dvd is messed up and then im happy :) |
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| [13:05:43] | dorel__: | fryfrog: ok i got the dvd on a windows machine and im ripping it as we speak, hopefully it'll fail there too |
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| [13:10:02] | ServerSage: | dorel__: Having problems ripping a DVD in linux? |
| [13:10:14] | ServerSage: | dorel__: Or just using myth's frontend? |
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| [13:10:45] | dorel__: | ServerSage: i havent tried using anything else, although i used to rip dvds with mythtv a while ago and i dont remember it freezing, i ripped a couple of dvds before just fine |
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| [13:10:58] | dorel__: | ServerSage: with this dvd i have here now my system freezes when i rip it with mythtv |
| [13:11:14] | dorel__: | ServerSage: it could be that the dvd is scratched or faulty so im currently ripping it on a windows box, hoping it would fail too. |
| [13:11:52] | ServerSage: | dorel__: It could be a few things. I have a DVD player that would not rip one of my DVDs until I upgraded it's firmware. |
| [13:12:07] | ServerSage: | dorel__: One more thing to try if the Windows rip works. |
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| [13:13:47] | granbar: | Hello. Can I control e.g music playback from mythweb? |
| [13:14:08] | granbar: | Or from command line? |
| [13:14:17] | dorel__: | ServerSage: ahh i see, dvd players upgrade... doesnt sound too nice ;) |
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| [13:16:12] | ServerSage: | dorel__: It's easy if you have windows installed on that system. I was able to do it in a vmware session of Windows. But I like to live stupidly. |
| [13:16:33] | granbar: | Because I want to change which song(s) are being played, from a remote computer. Any clues out there? |
| [13:16:50] | ServerSage: | granbar: Not that I know of. Would be a nice feature though. |
| [13:17:01] | granbar: | yea :D |
| [13:17:04] | ServerSage: | granbar: I'd be able to control music from my phone then. :) |
| [13:17:18] | ServerSage: | granbar: There is the telnet interface. |
| [13:17:36] | Dagmar: | MythWeb maybe |
| [13:18:07] | ServerSage: | granbar: Take a look here: http://mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Telnet_socket |
| [13:18:17] | ServerSage: | granbar: It has a few links that may help. |
| [13:18:24] | GreyFoxx: | grantm: You can use the telnet interface to navigate the menus (updown/leftright, enter, escape). But I don't believe you can said "Play joe.mp3" |
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| [13:18:40] | ServerSage: | Dagmar: My VPN is down, do you have mythweb access? If so, can you check? |
| [13:18:42] | GreyFoxx: | The existing "play" commands apply to recordings |
| [13:19:02] | Dagmar: | ServerSage: Nope. |
| [13:19:12] | dorel__: | ServerSage: no I don't have windows on it, it's all debian. |
| [13:19:23] | dorel__: | ServerSage: I guess we'll wait a few minutes and see if the dvd rip on windows is failing or not |
| [13:19:37] | ServerSage: | dorel__: Indeed. Like I said, just one more thing to try if that works. |
| [13:19:45] | granbar: | ServerSage: Cool. I'll look at the telnet thing |
| [13:20:20] | ServerSage: | granbar: Did you read GreyFoxx's note? |
| [13:20:37] | granbar: | aha |
| [13:20:38] | ServerSage: | granbar: I think he might be right now that I think back on it. |
| [13:20:51] | GreyFoxx: | I'm sure of it |
| [13:20:53] | granbar: | But still... "Next" and "Prev" is good |
| [13:21:06] | GreyFoxx: | you can certainly use the navigation controls to play stuff and move around |
| [13:21:25] | GreyFoxx: | but there are no handy "play" commands for mythmusic or mythvideo like there are for recordings |
| [13:21:49] | granbar: | okay |
| [13:21:55] | granbar: | But thanks though :) |
| [13:22:09] | GreyFoxx: | Someone just needs to write a patch to do it :) |
| [13:23:21] | ServerSage: | granbar: http://linux.softpedia.com/get/Internet/HTTP- . . . -18275.shtml |
| [13:24:28] | GreyFoxx: | Cool. Playlists have always been annoying in the gui. That looks handy for managing them |
| [13:24:45] | ServerSage: | GreyFoxx: I agree. :) |
| [13:25:16] | GreyFoxx: | I don't really use mythmusic, but the wife does and complains about it to me |
| [13:25:24] | GreyFoxx: | I might look at that as an alternative heh |
| [13:25:45] | granbar: | I tried to enable the telnet options in settings->general, but I still can't connect. Do I need to restart something? |
| [13:25:58] | ServerSage: | GreyFoxx: Wives just like to complain. If you give them something small, like mythmusic interfaces, they stop complaining about the big stuff. |
| [13:28:20] | GreyFoxx: | grantm: You gotta restart mythfrontend after you enable it |
| [13:29:06] | granbar: | okidoki |
| [13:30:52] | Dagmar: | Alternatively, you can dress up the theme with hardcore pornography, which will put a stop to the wife messing with the technology she doesn't understand. |
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| [13:30:57] | Dagmar: | ...hopefully. |
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| [13:31:29] | ** Dagmar disables the on-join for mematrix- ** | |
| [13:31:33] | Dagmar: | wrong channel *sigh* |
| [13:33:05] | GreyFoxx: | Dagmar: Hehe some wives wouldn't object to it :) |
| [13:33:20] | GreyFoxx: | Other than the fact that my daughter would also see it :) |
| [13:33:32] | GreyFoxx: | I think a porno theme would be funny |
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| [13:37:04] | ** Dagmar hides the porno theme he made over the weekend. ** | |
| [13:37:26] | ivor: | is it "porno-wide" though? |
| [13:37:34] | Dagmar: | Nope, just 4:3 |
| [13:37:39] | ivor: | bah. |
| [13:37:44] | Dagmar: | lol |
| [13:38:05] | ivor: | so little porn is 16:9 |
| [13:38:20] | ivor: | expect that'll change with HD-porn. :) |
| [13:40:33] | GreyFoxx: | That will be scary |
| [13:40:46] | ivor: | bound to happen. |
| [13:40:49] | GreyFoxx: | yeah |
| [13:41:41] | ivor: | what was interesting was that the porn industry was one of the early adopters of dvd and were the first to play with all the features (e.g. angles). |
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| [13:51:50] | Weezey: | GreyFoxx: hey, do you know how I can change my program guide view? Somehow I made it so that the guide shows up on top of the video instead of the video going in that preview window. |
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| [13:58:28] | GreyFoxx: | You mean the guide is just overlayed ontop of the fullscreen playing video and you can see it through the guide ? |
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| [14:05:35] | seth|laptop: | ok I got to use the Gray OSD for a while last night, and I noticed my channels (the number in the info bar) do not fit. Is there a font setting somewhere in the frontend setup, that I can change to make them smaller? |
| [14:06:10] | GreyFoxx: | seth|laptop: The font sizes for it are hardcoded. I'm not sure if the settings in teh frontend affect it |
| [14:06:29] | seth|laptop: | BTW the way that the upper right indicator (wooshes) off of the screen, very sexy |
| [14:06:36] | ** seth|laptop claps for GreyFoxx ** | |
| [14:06:50] | GreyFoxx: | hehe yeah I like subtle effects like that |
| [14:07:12] | seth|laptop: | so the font size is in the .xml file then? |
| [14:07:18] | GreyFoxx: | yup |
| [14:07:20] | seth|laptop: | ok |
| [14:07:44] | GreyFoxx: | I honestly don't know what if any effect the frontends OSD font sizes have on it since I always specified them in the osd itself |
| [14:07:56] | GreyFoxx: | how big is the channel number that doesn't fit ? |
| [14:08:21] | seth|laptop: | I will check tonight, now my 2 digit channels are fine, but when I enter fox hd 43_1 I only see 43_ |
| [14:08:43] | seth|laptop: | which isn't terrible, in fact probably irrelevant, but I will check the xml file tonight anyways |
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| [14:09:11] | seth|laptop: | my scifi is 122, and I see 12 |
| [14:09:20] | seth|laptop: | just loses 1 digit mostly |
| [14:09:27] | GreyFoxx: | so insteasd of "43_1" it shows "43_" ? Hmmmm It should show at least 4 digits as I did test that |
| [14:09:34] | GreyFoxx: | what screen resolution ? |
| [14:09:40] | seth|laptop: | 640x480 |
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| [14:09:49] | seth|laptop: | should I cahnge to 800x600? |
| [14:09:54] | seth|laptop: | change even |
| [14:09:55] | GreyFoxx: | Hmmm, just out of curiousity, try 800x600 and see |
| [14:10:17] | GreyFoxx: | No HD output ? :) |
| [14:10:20] | seth|laptop: | I cannot right now as I am at work, but I will modify the XF86Config file, and then restart X when I get home |
| [14:10:28] | seth|laptop: | My TV is 4:3 |
| [14:10:30] | seth|laptop: | :-( |
| [14:10:34] | GreyFoxx: | ahh |
| [14:10:39] | seth|laptop: | 43" but no HD |
| [14:11:03] | seth|laptop: | I hook up through a CVI (red,green,blue) but it is maxed at 480i |
| [14:11:16] | GreyFoxx: | fun |
| [14:11:16] | seth|laptop: | not an HD tv, but a goood one none-the-less |
| [14:11:28] | GreyFoxx: | No HD sets here either :) |
| [14:11:54] | seth|laptop: | I actually thought about changing the res last night |
| [14:12:22] | seth|laptop: | but that wooshing, that is the bomb |
| [14:12:25] | seth|laptop: | :-) |
| [14:13:21] | seth|laptop: | anyone have any zap2it issues this morning? |
| [14:13:29] | seth|laptop: | it whacked my program guide |
| [14:13:39] | seth|laptop: | for the local broadcast only |
| [14:13:46] | seth|laptop: | HD OTA |
| [14:13:52] | seth|laptop: | my dish feeds were correct |
| [14:14:26] | GreyFoxx: | hmmm, I should add a ; command seperator in mythgame so that people can have multiple commands run each time rather than having to write wrapper scripts |
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| [14:20:22] | granbar: | ServerSage: the myMusic thing didn't work correctly. Instead I've create my own small PHP script to change songs and jump to TV/Music using the telnet thing. |
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| [14:24:11] | fryfrog: | Does anyone use p2p or broadcast firewire methods on a STB? |
| [14:24:17] | NoName11: | hey fellas i got a question for you guys any ideas on this i am using mythtv .20 with pvr-500 ivtv .71 with mythweb when i watch a recording the quality isnt the greatest my computer i am watching it on is a amd 64 with a ati rage card it looks like it is interlaced or something and i cant figure out how to improve the quality also is there any good watch to adjust channel freq ? |
| [14:28:19] | fryfrog: | have you turned deinterlacing on? |
| [14:28:25] | fryfrog: | what *kind* of uglyness? |
| [14:29:36] | NoName11: | where do you turn it on? |
| [14:29:59] | NoName11: | i looked in mythtv-setup but didnt see it in there |
| [14:30:29] | NoName11: | i saw some in mythfrontend but the settings in there arnt used for recording is it? |
| [14:30:31] | GreyFoxx: | Notorious: The deinterlacing is in the frontend |
| [14:30:37] | GreyFoxx: | during playback |
| [14:31:03] | NoName11: | ahh so changing it in there effects the actual recording? |
| [14:31:10] | GreyFoxx: | no, just plyback |
| [14:31:25] | NoName11: | but i dont playback using the frontend |
| [14:31:38] | NoName11: | i use my lappy via mythweb |
| [14:32:03] | NoName11: | can you apply filters to recording or something to fix this? |
| [14:33:07] | fryfrog: | oh, so the *recording* itself is ugly :/ |
| [14:33:07] | GreyFoxx: | Whatever player your using will have to deinterlace it |
| [14:33:26] | GreyFoxx: | most any player can deinterlace a video if required |
| [14:33:28] | fryfrog: | do you think the problem is the interlacing? or does it look statiky or something too? |
| [14:34:01] | NoName11: | it looks blocky and jagged edges |
| [14:34:02] | GreyFoxx: | That's a good question, make sure interlacing is actually a problerm for him |
| [14:34:27] | NoName11: | when i watch livetv it looks clean |
| [14:34:47] | NoName11: | but i also have 1. mythfrontend 2. nvida card |
| [14:35:01] | GreyFoxx: | Check to ensure your recording profiles for livetv matches your default recording profile (they are different) |
| [14:35:12] | Dagmar: | Yep. |
| [14:35:42] | Dagmar: | Things tend to look somewhat crummy if you've got the LiveTV profile set to say, 480x480 |
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| [14:36:57] | NoName11: | i got mine set to something like 640 480 or what ever |
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| [14:37:08] | GreyFoxx: | and compare the bitrates too |
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| [14:37:17] | NoName11: | should i try and change it to 800 600? |
| [14:37:27] | Dagmar: | Nah, the closer they are to each other the better. |
| [14:37:28] | NoName11: | the bitrates i know are the same |
| [14:37:56] | Dagmar: | If you set the bitrate really low you'll get an awful image, but it's more likely that you just need to set the deinterlacer to libmpeg2 |
| [14:39:01] | NoName11: | ok i will try that i realy do apreciate the input i am new to this myth stuff and it has been a real strugle lol |
| [14:39:21] | NoName11: | the pvr-500 was brudal to get to work right |
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| [14:39:59] | fryfrog: | Dagmar: he is using a laptop with streaming mpeg files for playback, not the FE |
| [14:40:36] | NoName11: | is there any good way to finetune the channels? besides editting the db and then view in fe? |
| [14:44:43] | fryfrog: | that is basically it :( |
| [14:44:58] | fryfrog: | you using cable? |
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| [14:47:45] | NoName11: | ya |
| [14:47:52] | NoName11: | comcast analog |
| [14:48:05] | fryfrog: | does your analog suck donkey balls perhaps? mine does |
| [14:48:15] | fryfrog: | cable boxes, a-okay. analog cable, donkey balls :( |
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| [14:53:02] | ServerSage: | So I have not tried this yet, but if you use a wide screen theme (16:9) how does it handle playing 4:3 shows/video files? |
| [14:53:10] | ServerSage: | Does it just stretch them? |
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| [14:53:32] | fryfrog: | does what ever you want |
| [14:53:42] | fryfrog: | by default, it plays it in the format it was recorded in |
| [14:53:50] | seth|laptop: | ServerSage: I have not seen a difference. It plays items just the way they are supposed to be |
| [14:53:51] | fryfrog: | 4:3 shows have black bars on the sides on my 16:9 set |
| [14:54:12] | NoName11: | fryfrog: ya man i need to get a cable box since 1/2 my stuff is scrambled :/ but the analog for the most part on live and normal tvs are pretty decent |
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| [14:54:21] | fryfrog: | but if you like, you *can* have it stretch/zoom to your hearts content (useful when a 16:9 *show* is on a 4:3 channel like scifi |
| [14:54:29] | seth|laptop: | yeah, so you use "W" to cycle aspect ratios, or just set it up in Utilities > Setup > TV > TV Playback |
| [14:54:33] | fryfrog: | NoName11: ah, mine blows :( |
| [14:54:46] | NoName11: | :/ who do you have? |
| [14:54:54] | fryfrog: | comcast |
| [14:54:58] | ServerSage: | Aaah, cool. I will have to give it a shot tonight when I get home from work. |
| [14:55:12] | fryfrog: | fortunatly, the send all the "analog" cables over digital too, so with a STB they are pure goodness :) |
| [14:55:14] | NoName11: | lol i will trade u can have my tv and give me not shitty inet |
| [14:55:15] | NoName11: | lol |
| [14:55:25] | fryfrog: | oh, my inet sucks too |
| [14:55:36] | NoName11: | stb? |
| [14:55:47] | fryfrog: | i'd have stayed with bellsouth, but they *required* me to have a phone line with them to have dsl |
| [14:55:50] | fryfrog: | set top box |
| [14:56:28] | NoName11: | but you need digi cable right |
| [14:56:34] | NoName11: | lol i will never touch dsl |
| [14:56:42] | NoName11: | i want fiber :) |
| [14:57:01] | NoName11: | i have 145mbit fiber here so when i go home i cry |
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| [14:57:32] | fryfrog: | i'd rather have dsl that was up 99% of the time than cable that is up only 75% of the time :/ |
| [14:57:50] | dorel__: | is anyone working with mythphoone? |
| [14:57:54] | NoName11: | lol mine is up most of the time just random packet loss |
| [14:57:54] | BULLE: | fryfrog: what speed do you get with cable ? |
| [14:57:55] | dorel__: | *mythphone |
| [14:58:15] | NoName11: | i get like 1m/s and about 45k up |
| [14:58:28] | NoName11: | but i am also in major city |
| [14:58:38] | BULLE: | NoName11: not that fast indeed |
| [14:58:48] | fryfrog: | BULLE: something like 700k/sec down, 50k/sec up |
| [14:59:06] | BULLE: | i have adsl, i have real life performance of about 18mbit down, and 1.3 up |
| [14:59:13] | BULLE: | on paper its 28/1 |
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| [14:59:30] | fryfrog: | what does that translate into "numbers i'm actually used to seeing"? |
| [14:59:49] | BULLE: | fryfrog: me ? |
| [14:59:55] | BULLE: | fryfrog: 18mbit down, 1.3mbit up |
| [15:00:20] | fryfrog: | yeah, is that like 2mb/sec down and ... 50k/sec up? |
| [15:00:48] | fryfrog: | unfortunatly, all the software i use goes from bytes / sec, to kilobytes / sec to megabytes / sec :) |
| [15:00:48] | BULLE: | 2 megabyte sec down, max, yes, and around 130kilobytes/sec up |
| [15:00:54] | fryfrog: | wow, nice |
| [15:00:58] | fryfrog: | from who? |
| [15:01:17] | BULLE: | who ? from most people with fast enough connection themselves |
| [15:01:37] | NoName11: | not bad but at same time what are the costs lol |
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| [15:01:53] | BULLE: | NoName11: i pay something like 20 usd a month for it |
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| [15:02:15] | fryfrog: | BULLE: who is your isp, you crazy mother fucker :p |
| [15:02:20] | BULLE: | fryfrog: oh, TDC |
| [15:02:25] | fryfrog: | ahhh :) |
| [15:02:29] | ServerSage: | BULLE: The way you said that (18mbit down, 1.3mbit up) would be 225Kilobytes/sec down, and 16.25Kilobytes/sec up. |
| [15:02:50] | fryfrog: | UH OH! bits/bytes nazi alert! :) |
| [15:03:08] | BULLE: | ye, replace bits/bytes so it all works out =) |
| [15:03:13] | BULLE: | i do get the higher speede, not the lower |
| [15:03:26] | ServerSage: | fryfrog: These things are important. Maybe not on IRC, but they are important. |
| [15:03:27] | dorel__: | how can i check if my sound card uses /dev/dsp or something else? |
| [15:03:44] | fryfrog: | don't worry, i'm sure i'd correct him too! |
| [15:04:21] | BULLE: | dorel__: most likely it doesnt, as alsa is the common thing to use nowadays |
| [15:05:00] | dorel__: | BULLE: can i somehow check what audio device is being used on my system? maybe with mplayer somehow? |
| [15:06:06] | BULLE: | dorel__: aplay -l |
| [15:06:16] | BULLE: | dorel__: arecord -l |
| [15:06:21] | BULLE: | for alsao devices |
| [15:07:51] | seth|laptop: | cat /proc/pcm/asound |
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| [15:12:27] | dorel__: | thanks let me check |
| [15:13:53] | dorel__: | umm aplay/arecord doesnt say what is the device for sound and i dont have /proc/pcm/asound |
| [15:14:25] | fryfrog: | dorel__: are you *using* alsa? |
| [15:14:37] | fryfrog: | are you trying to figure out what sound devices to use in mythfrontend? |
| [15:14:47] | seth|laptop: | i think it is actually cat /proc/asound/pcm my bad |
| [15:14:50] | dorel__: | fryfrog: sort of |
| [15:14:56] | fryfrog: | "ALSA:default" for the sound device and simply "default" for mixer is it |
| [15:15:20] | dorel__: | fryfrog: i dont hear anything in mythphone and its set to either /dev/dsp or none |
| [15:15:32] | dorel__: | ok hold up ill check |
| [15:15:58] | dorel__: | im using alsa, yeah |
| [15:16:18] | fryfrog: | ahhh |
| [15:16:30] | fryfrog: | instead of "/dev/dsp" or "none" try typing "default" |
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| [15:16:41] | dorel__: | its a combo box i cant choose... |
| [15:16:51] | fryfrog: | are you sure? |
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| [15:17:05] | fryfrog: | i've not actually *used* mythphone though |
| [15:17:10] | fryfrog: | so you are probably right :) |
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| [15:52:57] | dorel__: | i've added a crc stream input source, how do i switch to it? with the 'c' key i can only toggle through the pvr150 input sources |
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| [16:00:25] | seth|laptop: | GreyFoxx: you said earlier you don't have an HDTV, do you watch HD content at all? |
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| [16:08:22] | seth|laptop: | use the "Y" key dorel__ |
| [16:08:35] | fryfrog: | what is a crc stream? |
| [16:08:42] | dorel__: | yep, saw that in keys.txt |
| [16:08:53] | seth|laptop: | not sure but to switch between my cards, I use "Y" |
| [16:09:04] | dorel__: | seth|laptop: in the crc ip stream, do i define it as: udp://localhost:1234 is that ok? |
| [16:09:28] | seth|laptop: | looks good, host and port, and udp |
| [16:09:35] | fryfrog: | wtf is crc? |
| [16:09:40] | dorel__: | fryfrog: : im trying to get a stream of udp playing on watchtv mode, and it seems like there's a crc ip and a freebox mrl thing |
| [16:09:54] | dorel__: | fryfrog: check your mythtv-setup in cards type, its possible to set it up there |
| [16:10:03] | fryfrog: | what does the data come from? |
| [16:10:34] | dorel__: | from an ip stream |
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| [16:10:42] | fryfrog: | erm, right i get that part |
| [16:10:44] | dorel__: | your local mythtv box, a box on the lan, on the wan, doesnt matter, its ip. |
| [16:10:57] | seth|laptop: | my guess is, that is how you would hook up this new HD Homerun box on a non-.20 backend |
| [16:11:02] | fryfrog: | but does it come from a device you have? is it a web stream? |
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| [16:12:44] | ** seth|laptop gets a hedache, from trying to figure out teh best way to set up his 4:3 480i TV to view HDTV ** | |
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| [16:13:00] | dorel__: | its a software that creates the stream, like vlc |
| [16:13:02] | ** seth|laptop gives up for now. hehe ** | |
| [16:14:57] | fryfrog: | ServerSage: just output over svideo and let myth deal with it all? |
| [16:15:06] | fryfrog: | er, seth|laptop i mean |
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| [16:18:00] | seth|laptop: | well I use one of those Grandtec VGA to CVI converter boxes, and I see in various forums, that while watching HDTV, instead of getting the show in glorious 16:9 and commercials in a little box in the middel of the screen, there is a way, with modelines, to make it all just work, and I can't find it :-( |
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| [16:18:29] | ** seth|laptop is currently just telling the internal player to "fill" ** | |
| [16:18:48] | fryfrog: | oh |
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| [16:19:17] | fryfrog: | what is VGA-> CVI? |
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| [16:19:49] | Merlin83b: | Component Video In, I think. |
| [16:20:03] | fryfrog: | oh, "component" :) |
| [16:20:04] | Merlin83b: | As in it is that, but not certain on exactly what it stands for. |
| [16:20:12] | fryfrog: | gotcha |
| [16:20:13] | Merlin83b: | Yeah, most would just say component :) |
| [16:20:17] | fryfrog: | enough to clarify |
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| [16:26:17] | seth|laptop: | component, sorry, my TV says CVI, when I select it, hehe |
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| [16:29:18] | fryfrog: | is "svideo" called "SVI"? |
| [16:29:50] | fryfrog: | I guess "composite" is not CVI :p |
| [16:29:54] | fryfrog: | maybe RVI? |
| [16:29:58] | fryfrog: | Rca Video Input? |
| [16:37:52] | Zider: | Cvi in Panini's grammar of Classical Sanskrit refers to a formation where an ? is added to a nominal stem and compounded with a verbal root kr "to make", as "to be" or bh? "to become", resulting in a factitive verb where the ?-stem is indeclinable and used like a preverb |
| [16:38:00] | Zider: | ;) |
| [16:38:14] | Zider: | perhaps not related ;) |
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| [16:47:10] | RyeBrye3: | How hard would it be to make MythTV use some of the nifty compiz GL animations? |
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| [16:47:55] | Merlin83b: | RyeBrye3: Are you using the Qt renderer? |
| [16:48:13] | RyeBrye3: | Merlin83b – yeah |
| [16:48:34] | Merlin83b: | RyeBrye3: You should probably try the OpenGL renderer then. |
| [16:48:35] | RyeBrye3: | Oh wait – no... I think I'm using the OpenGL one |
| [16:48:52] | Merlin83b: | That's the extent of my knowledge, since i use the Qt painter. |
| [16:49:02] | RyeBrye3: | It does fades... but I want rotating cubes :) |
| [16:49:09] | Merlin83b: | So code it up :) |
| [16:49:24] | Zider: | why would you wantthat? |
| [16:49:43] | Pryon: | He paid for that GPU and by glub he's gonna use it! |
| [16:50:05] | Merlin83b: | Eye candy impresses the unbelievers! |
| [16:50:28] | Zider: | uhh |
| [16:50:58] | fryfrog: | now to find if GS608 (netgear gige switch) does jumbo frames! |
| [16:51:51] | seth|laptop: | that would stream some HD content |
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| [16:51:58] | Zider: | fryfrog: it does |
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| [16:55:36] | fryfrog: | i'm seeing conflicting reports on the interwebs :/ |
| [16:55:42] | fryfrog: | some say it does, some say it does not |
| [16:56:07] | Zider: | fryfrog: uhh, how about the manufacturer specs? :P |
| [16:56:12] | fryfrog: | they say it does |
| [16:56:27] | Zider: | exactly |
| [16:56:31] | Zider: | screw the ret ;) |
| [16:56:32] | Zider: | rest |
| [16:56:39] | fryfrog: | but a few tech support sites report that when two devices are enabled with jumbo frames, hooked to the switch... they don't work |
| [16:56:48] | fryfrog: | but if hooked via xover to eachother, it does |
| [16:56:58] | Zider: | strange |
| [16:57:04] | Zider: | just try it then :) |
| [16:57:11] | fryfrog: | and i found a few mentions of it not working in amazon reviews, not that that means anything |
| [16:57:23] | fryfrog: | yar, trying to decide if i want to try it *remotly* or not :) |
| [16:57:31] | fryfrog: | guess i could do it on my two winblows pcs |
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| [17:09:37] | itchi: | Some video recorders can record an movie/documentary/whatever at the moment when it begin. You need to configure the recoder that he record that be giving an special number that are in tv listings. Can Mythtv also do that? It's to avoid to need to cut some parts of the thing i want to record |
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| [17:13:12] | seth|laptop: | well, if you schedule it it will record, you can also do thid manually while watching the program, and the scheduler lets you start or end the recording from 1 minute early to 1 minute late, and I would imagine that you could do that up to 29 minutes |
| [17:13:13] | Anduin: | itchi: myth relies on guide data, that number was created for VCRs |
| [17:14:51] | seth|laptop: | oh, so like vcr+ |
| [17:15:24] | ** seth|laptop saw the question a whole different way ** | |
| [17:15:31] | fryfrog: | yeah, i didn't even get it :) |
| [17:15:41] | Dagmar: | You must be to exactly specifying time server preferably usage to accurately cut the couches |
| [17:15:43] | seth|laptop: | well that too |
| [17:15:46] | Anduin: | vcr+ is the only thing that made sense to me |
| [17:15:47] | seth|laptop: | :P |
| [17:16:58] | seth|laptop: | Dagmar: My head just exploded |
| [17:17:03] | Dagmar: | lol |
| [17:18:52] | itchi: | Yeah, but here many thing are not yet precisly at time, mostly are always +- 10 near |
| [17:19:27] | itchi: | I was just thinking about it, that feature will be great i think |
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| [17:21:44] | itchi: | Gona reinstall mythtv. Need to show it to an friend. I had use it a bit before. Realy fun |
| [17:22:09] | fryfrog: | blech, 2048000000 bytes (2.0 GB) copied, 75.4624 s, 27.1 MB/s |
| [17:22:22] | seth|laptop: | well i that case you could schedule the recording to start or finish or both 10 minutes early/late |
| [17:22:26] | fryfrog: | even with 9000 MTU i only get 30mb/sec |
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| [17:22:59] | fryfrog: | itchi: the *guide* data should have acurate start times, even if a show starts at 10min past the hour or what ever |
| [17:23:04] | itchi: | seth|laptop: Yup, but then the less times these are at time ... Loosed a bit :-/ |
| [17:23:22] | Anduin: | fryfrog: less true in some parts of the world |
| [17:23:43] | seth|laptop: | I have to start my dish network recording 1 minute early, because the ssh command I use to contact the master, where the receiver is, takes about 20 seconds to send "select" to get rid of the fracking screensaver, asnd then enter the channel digits |
| [17:24:09] | itchi: | Here we say; If you are too late, it's that you was been busy :-p |
| [17:24:35] | ** seth|laptop head explodes again ** | |
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| [17:25:02] | itchi: | seth|laptop: Install another one?? |
| [17:25:30] | seth|laptop: | yeah , and then there is the times when there is some government speech on tv, and the recoding starts as "already in progress" they should have like a government channel |
| [17:26:25] | seth|laptop: | they could afford to bradcast it as free to air |
| [17:26:30] | seth|laptop: | broadcast even |
| [17:29:42] | fryfrog: | that would be awsome :/ |
| [17:30:40] | fryfrog: | it'd be like the nasa channel, except boring |
| [17:31:43] | seth|laptop: | exactly |
| [17:33:35] | ** seth|laptop needs a couple of 300GB disk drives, things are starting to fill up ** | |
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| [17:34:08] | gbee: | start watching it instead of recording it then :P |
| [17:34:18] | seth|laptop: | But I'm a busy man, hehe |
| [17:34:26] | seth|laptop: | weekends are for watching |
| [17:34:58] | seth|laptop: | actually I am taking all of my dvd's from my video cabinet, and putting them on the myhcenter, because I am lazy :P |
| [17:35:07] | itchi: | That was the reason that i had leave mythtv a bit. Diskspace :-/ And the disk was dieing |
| [17:35:44] | seth|laptop: | like last Saturday, I watched all 4 Harry Potter Movies, and didn't have to walk to the other side of the room. |
| [17:38:26] | itchi: | lazy man |
| [17:38:30] | itchi: | :-p |
| [17:38:57] | itchi: | That probably why you are on the laptop in the sofa right now?? |
| [17:40:03] | seth|laptop: | no. at work. the laptop is at home on the sofa |
| [17:40:14] | seth|laptop: | actually the kitchen table |
| [17:40:26] | seth|laptop: | was scheduling some recordings this morning |
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| [18:00:55] | ServerSage: | fryfrog: Network problems? |
| [18:01:10] | ServerSage: | fryfrog: I was reading some of your past posts. |
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| [18:48:03] | robbins876: | anyone around right now? |
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| [18:48:47] | Pryon: | !seen anyone |
| [18:48:48] | MythLogBot: | anyone was last seen 293 days 1 hour 31 minutes 48 seconds ago |
| [18:51:17] | robbins876: | funny joke |
| [18:53:40] | scopeuk: | !seeneveryone |
| [18:53:44] | scopeuk: | !seen everyone |
| [18:53:44] | MythLogBot: | everyone has not been seen here |
| [18:54:01] | robbins876: | I have a dedicated frontend setup, it gets the database information from my backend, but when i click to play the file (recorded shows, videos) it says that it can't find the files |
| [18:54:26] | scopeuk: | iirc you ahve to share the recrdigns folder from the backend to your client machine |
| [18:54:33] | scopeuk: | and mount it in the same place |
| [18:54:55] | robbins876: | what? |
| [18:54:58] | robbins876: | how do i do that? |
| [18:55:12] | gardengnome: | not for recordings, but for music & videos you have to do it |
| [18:55:28] | robbins876: | alright, for recordings, how do i make it work? |
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| [18:55:54] | seth|laptop: | I offer this knoppmyth link, should appl to any config : http://knoppmythwiki.org/index.php?page=SlaveBackendHowTo |
| [18:56:09] | scopeuk: | seth|laptop this is frotnend nto backend |
| [18:56:11] | seth|laptop: | shows the linking and nfs setup |
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| [18:56:25] | robbins876: | where in the hell do you download iirc? |
| [18:56:35] | seth|laptop: | right, but it accesses a backend on a different machine correct? |
| [18:56:43] | robbins876: | correct |
| [18:56:48] | gardengnome: | robbins876: iirc = "if i recall correctly".. |
| [18:56:48] | seth|laptop: | then follow the howto |
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| [18:57:11] | seth|laptop: | had me up and running in minutes |
| [18:57:15] | robbins876: | i was joking, gardengnome |
| [18:57:30] | seth|laptop: | i used it to set up my xbox frontend |
| [18:57:54] | gardengnome: | robbins876: you never know.. ;) |
| [18:58:04] | scopeuk: | with our usuall crowed? |
| [19:00:48] | robbins876: | thanks for the link, man |
| [19:00:51] | seth|laptop: | np |
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| [19:01:38] | ** seth|laptop has 2 slaves and a frontend, that doc was a godsend, hehe ** | |
| [19:01:42] | octan: | howdy all |
| [19:02:02] | seth|laptop: | wie ghets |
| [19:02:35] | octan: | i have been having a issue with tv_grab_no for several weeks now. anyone know howto fix this? |
| [19:02:57] | robbins876: | what's the difference between a slave and a frontend? |
| [19:03:17] | seth|laptop: | the ability to add a tuner card, and possibly more storage to your overall system setup |
| [19:03:18] | octan: | slave? you mean a backend? |
| [19:03:30] | robbins876: | seth|laptop has 2 slaves and a frontend, that doc was a godsend, hehe |
| [19:03:43] | octan: | robbins876, frontends are usaly GUI |
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| [19:04:31] | robbins876: | oh, i see... so, i'm trying to get things to play from my backend to my frontend... |
| [19:04:38] | octan: | right |
| [19:04:43] | seth|laptop: | I have only 2 pci slots in my master, I needed to add a pvr150 card, so I built a slave, for that tuner card, frontend/master is HD and records HD stuff, slave is SD (dish network) and records SD stuff, and Is where I store/rip my tunes, the third slave just commflags/transcodes |
| [19:04:52] | octan: | erm no |
| [19:05:17] | octan: | can anyone help me? |
| [19:05:23] | seth|laptop: | and the xbox is just a place to watch/listen to things |
| [19:05:46] | spiderworm: | hi, i have a problem that just came out of nowhere with my myth box.... skipping ahead takes too long, it sort of seems like it chugs..... |
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| [19:05:54] | spiderworm: | its hard to describe |
| [19:05:58] | ** seth|laptop sorry, have no experience with tv_grab_no to my knowledge ** | |
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| [19:06:42] | octan: | when i run mythfilldatabase --refresh-all i get errors |
| [19:06:50] | octan: | could not fetch http://www.dagbladet.no/tv/mobil/index.html, aborting |
| [19:07:32] | octan: | well to be more precise i get his... |
| [19:07:39] | octan: | fetching channel names |
| [19:07:39] | octan: | could not fetch http://www.dagbladet.no/tv/mobil/index.html, aborting |
| [19:07:39] | octan: | 2006-10–24 21:01:37.780 ------------------ End of XMLTV output ------------------ |
| [19:07:39] | octan: | Error in 4:188: unexpected end of file |
| [19:07:55] | octan: | suxz |
| [19:08:28] | seth|laptop: | does that site require a username and passwd |
| [19:08:40] | octan: | i guess so,, |
| [19:08:55] | seth|laptop: | i saw that error once when i incorrectly entered my password for my zap2it accont |
| [19:08:57] | octan: | tv_grab_no used to waork |
| [19:09:03] | octan: | *work |
| [19:09:05] | seth|laptop: | ah |
| [19:09:13] | spiderworm: | i cant hold down the skip ahead button because it doesnt show me where its at in the show, and so i have no idea when to let go |
| [19:09:16] | octan: | i never needed to put in a password or username |
| [19:09:40] | spiderworm: | all i can do is press the button, wait for a second for it to catch up, press it again, wait again, etc |
| [19:09:41] | seth|laptop: | well my user/pass went into the mythtv-setup settings |
| [19:09:46] | spiderworm: | it takes forever to navigate |
| [19:09:56] | seth|laptop: | I fat fingered it, and it failed on me, but correcting it resolved the issue |
| [19:10:08] | octan: | seth|laptop i dont do it like that |
| [19:10:20] | seth|laptop: | that is what I figured, different here in the US |
| [19:10:26] | octan: | indeed |
| [19:10:34] | seth|laptop: | but it was wirth a shot :-) |
| [19:10:38] | seth|laptop: | worth even |
| [19:10:43] | octan: | i been trying to google.. |
| [19:10:51] | octan: | no luck tho :( |
| [19:11:40] | seth|laptop: | spiderworm: could it be a hard drive speed issue, have you set hdparm? |
| [19:11:58] | spiderworm: | seth|laptop: i cant imagine it would be anything like that, this *just* started happneing |
| [19:12:05] | spiderworm: | it's been fine for over a year |
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| [19:12:26] | seth|laptop: | any new changes recently? |
| [19:12:28] | spiderworm: | could i be wrong about that? |
| [19:12:34] | spiderworm: | no, none that i can think of |
| [19:12:37] | spiderworm: | that's the weird thing |
| [19:12:58] | spiderworm: | im wondering, could it be some config that was written incorrectly somewhere or something? |
| [19:13:01] | seth|laptop: | well run 'hdparm /dev/hd(insert your drive number here) and see if DMA is turned on |
| [19:13:07] | spiderworm: | ok, 1 sec |
| [19:13:31] | seth|laptop: | letter rather like /dev/hda |
| [19:14:18] | spiderworm: | sure, no prob |
| [19:14:29] | spiderworm: | i'll pastebin the output |
| [19:16:30] | spiderworm: | http://pastebin.ca/219549 |
| [19:16:35] | spiderworm: | says dma is enabled |
| [19:16:57] | seth|laptop: | looks good |
| [19:17:02] | seth|laptop: | it was just a thought |
| [19:17:28] | spiderworm: | hmm ok |
| [19:17:33] | seth|laptop: | what version of mythtv are you using |
| [19:17:39] | seth|laptop: | .19 .20 |
| [19:17:39] | spiderworm: | maybe i'll just turn it off an let it cool a little |
| [19:17:52] | spiderworm: | using ubuntu packages... one sec |
| [19:20:53] | spiderworm: | heh ok i have no idea |
| [19:21:04] | spiderworm: | myth* doesnt seem to respond to a --version flag |
| [19:21:26] | spiderworm: | im using ssh here so i cant see in synaptic what version it is |
| [19:21:33] | spiderworm: | is there a way to see the version with apt? |
| [19:22:18] | seth|laptop: | hrm, to be honest, I am not sure how to check that either, I installed from source, that is how I know, perhaps in Information Center > System Status ? |
| [19:22:45] | seth|laptop: | oh, if you are ssh, then you obviously wont hsave a frontend to check that , hehe |
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| [19:23:12] | spiderworm: | well my wife is watching shows right now ;) |
| [19:23:19] | spiderworm: | i'll have her stop |
| [19:23:21] | spiderworm: | one sec |
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| [19:23:36] | seth|laptop: | well at least I can tell you why I was asking. I noticed a slowdown during OSD functions using the opengl painter in mythtv .20, this was resolved by updating my nvidia driver |
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| [19:24:22] | seth|laptop: | well you don't want the wife to get mad |
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| [19:24:44] | seth|laptop: | my wife uses the mythcenter all day, I do all my work on one of the slaves, hehe |
| [19:25:19] | spiderworm: | damn straight i dont want her to be mad :) |
| [19:25:32] | spiderworm: | ok, an old version... myth 0.18.1.20050510–1 |
| [19:25:48] | seth|laptop: | then that wont help, hehe |
| [19:26:01] | seth|laptop: | well I tried |
| [19:26:08] | seth|laptop: | upgrade your mythtv |
| [19:26:12] | spiderworm: | ok |
| [19:26:16] | seth|laptop: | would be the next step I guess |
| [19:26:19] | spiderworm: | well, there are no packages |
| [19:26:22] | seth|laptop: | worth a shot |
| [19:26:23] | spiderworm: | i would have to build from source |
| [19:26:30] | spiderworm: | which i've been meaning to do anyways |
| [19:26:40] | spiderworm: | myth on cvs or svn? |
| [19:26:50] | gbee: | svn |
| [19:27:09] | gbee: | http://svn.mythtv.org for details |
| [19:27:10] | spiderworm: | should i uninstall the ubuntu packages first, or will it not matter? |
| [19:27:17] | spiderworm: | thanks gbee |
| [19:27:17] | seth|laptop: | here is a link, that may help with that – http://knoppmythwiki.org/index.php?page=CompileMythTVFromSVN |
| [19:27:48] | seth|laptop: | if you get svn, get fixes not head |
| [19:28:05] | spiderworm: | ok |
| [19:28:26] | seth|laptop: | especially if your box is in production as much as mine are :-) |
| [19:28:35] | spiderworm: | as in, release-0-20-fixes ? |
| [19:28:50] | seth|laptop: | I really wussed out, I got the tarballs from mythtv.org |
| [19:28:52] | seth|laptop: | :-) |
| [19:28:55] | gbee: | HEAD is pretty stable right now, but if you intend to update again any time soon then fixes is probably better |
| [19:29:16] | spiderworm: | mmm not that regularly |
| [19:29:39] | spiderworm: | i have a nice script that grabs latest blender 3d cvs and compiles it, but i wont be doing that with myth |
| [19:29:47] | spiderworm: | should i remove the ubuntu packages first? |
| [19:29:57] | seth|laptop: | it should just upgrade them |
| [19:30:04] | seth|laptop: | according to mythtv.org |
| [19:30:12] | spiderworm: | fair enough :) |
| [19:30:39] | seth|laptop: | i was using knoppmyth .19 fixes, and it upgraded them pretty well spot on, back up your database firstly though |
| [19:30:58] | spiderworm: | hehe, ok |
| [19:31:04] | seth|laptop: | again, I did not use svn, I grabbed the tarballs from mythtv.org, might not be the latest, but its very stable |
| [19:31:28] | ** seth|laptop is not very cutting edge ** | |
| [19:31:33] | seth|laptop: | :-) |
| [19:31:55] | gbee: | ermm, installing from source won't upgrade packages – it may overwrite the files but that's different :) |
| [19:32:00] | spiderworm: | right |
| [19:32:25] | spiderworm: | i just wonder if that will cause apt to freak out when it tries to uninstall later |
| [19:32:31] | spiderworm: | if/whe n |
| [19:32:32] | seth|laptop: | but you shouldn't have to redo your tuner cards and what not, at least I didn't |
| [19:33:03] | gbee: | you might have real problems if it installs in a slightly different location – having two different versions of the executables in PATH is not a good idea |
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| [19:33:26] | seth|laptop: | at the top of that howto up there in the link, it walks you through backing up what you have, in case you have to roll back |
| [19:33:37] | seth|laptop: | 1st four lines of the doc |
| [19:33:42] | spiderworm: | yeah |
| [19:33:56] | gbee: | seth|laptop: yeah, you're database shouldn't be deleted, so all your settings and recordings should be fine |
| [19:34:10] | gbee: | s/you're/your/ |
| [19:34:39] | gbee: | I've managed that typo several times lately ... very annoying |
| [19:34:52] | seth|laptop: | now I did notice, that my HD cards tuned/scanned alot better with .20 .vs .19, it actually found all of the chnnels on the 1st scan, was very nice |
| [19:35:43] | gbee: | seth|laptop: the DVB/ATSC scanning and tuning code was re-written for 0.20 |
| [19:36:00] | seth|laptop: | and very well I'd say :-) |
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| [19:39:49] | fryfrog: | going from 0.20 to 0.20-fixes should be a cinch |
| [19:39:57] | fryfrog: | and most *packages* are based on -fixes anyway |
| [19:40:30] | ** seth|laptop is going to stay where he is at for now, everything just works so well ** | |
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| [19:40:37] | fryfrog: | why not use one of the ubuntu myth repositories? |
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| [19:41:24] | seth|laptop: | you may want to give spiderworm the repos |
| [19:41:39] | fryfrog: | oh, i dunno them :/ |
| [19:41:45] | fryfrog: | i think i was confusing you two :) |
| [19:41:53] | fryfrog: | stupid names begiining with an S! |
| [19:42:03] | seth|laptop: | well I use debian, but its knoppmyth :-) |
| [19:42:19] | spiderworm is now known as piderworm | |
| [19:42:22] | piderworm: | is that better? |
| [19:42:26] | fryfrog: | ahahha |
| [19:42:27] | CBiLLL: | any1 know a good micro atx mobo for 775 with S/PDIF in/out and intel chipset? |
| [19:42:46] | fryfrog: | intel chipsets are for big breasted women! |
| [19:42:52] | fryfrog: | real men use sis or via! |
| [19:42:55] | ** seth|laptop sorry never owned an intel board/chip ** | |
| [19:43:04] | D-side: | fryfrog: wow. |
| [19:43:04] | CBiLLL: | hey I like big breated woman so there! |
| [19:43:24] | D-side: | intel chipsets generally Just Work, so i'll agree that its best suited for silly women. :) |
| [19:43:26] | fryfrog: | i use nvidia :) |
| [19:43:27] | gbee: | seth|laptop: guessing you've not been a computer user for very long then? :) |
| [19:43:47] | seth|laptop: | well I started with the cyrix 686 |
| [19:43:58] | seth|laptop: | if that dates me ok |
| [19:44:02] | gbee: | heh, fair enough |
| [19:44:08] | seth|laptop: | went from there to the amd k6 series |
| [19:44:14] | seth|laptop: | and now its AMD64 |
| [19:44:24] | fryfrog: | bah, i had a 386 board with a 486 in its second slot! |
| [19:45:04] | seth|laptop: | actually I did have an intel 8088 cpu that plugged into my tv, but I outgrew it too fast, hehe, so I guess in part that statement wes not entirely true, hehe |
| [19:45:21] | fryfrog: | what, you just plugged the *chip* into the tv? |
| [19:45:23] | seth|laptop: | s/wes/was |
| [19:45:31] | CBiLLL: | let me guess it called Tandy Computer? |
| [19:45:33] | CBiLLL: | 8-) |
| [19:45:44] | seth|laptop: | no, it looked like a big typewriteer, hehe, I don't rememebr the make, :-) |
| [19:45:45] | gbee: | aye, AMD user myself these days and probably won't go back ... but throughout the nineties I used nothing but Intel – well not exactly true, had a K6 but the thing was unstable so that soured me on AMD for a while |
| [19:45:55] | seth|laptop: | It may have been a Tandy |
| [19:46:33] | D-side: | i dunno. intel's got a winner with the core 2 duo, and i've been an amd fan for years |
| [19:46:39] | seth|laptop: | i liked the cyrix chips, because they could be overclocked with a simple jumper, but I burned them up alot, hehe |
| [19:46:51] | Zider: | D-side: indeed |
| [19:46:57] | fryfrog: | yeah, core2 seems super awsome |
| [19:47:03] | CBiLLL: | I am going to go with 2 duo myself but I am still new to the DVR game |
| [19:47:20] | gbee: | upgrading my 286 actually meant unsoldering and prying the ram from the motherboard ;) |
| [19:47:41] | fryfrog: | ahahah |
| [19:47:44] | gbee: | that was an upgrade from 1Mb of ram to 4Mb :p |
| [19:47:55] | ** seth|laptop may someday get a core duo laptop ** | |
| [19:48:03] | D-side: | CBiLLL: i dont know how necessary a core 2 duo is for dvr purposes. :) |
| [19:48:06] | Zider: | I have a really cute little 286 socket-cpu but without pins.. sorta like s775 works.. |
| [19:48:16] | gbee: | using a Turion laptop right now |
| [19:48:29] | fryfrog: | I don't want to build a DVR that has better hardware than my current workstations! |
| [19:48:35] | D-side: | my next toy is a mac mini, and i think maybe in 6mos or so i'll stick a core 2 duo in it |
| [19:48:40] | seth|laptop: | my laptop is amd64 3400+ but gets very hot! |
| [19:48:42] | CBiLLL: | it probably not but since I have plan to do hdtv in the future so might as well invest in it now rather than forcing to get a better cpu for hdtv in future 8-) |
| [19:48:42] | fryfrog: | so maybe I'll upgrade my workstation and re-use the stuff inside for my FEs :) |
| [19:48:42] | dtm: | http://www.mythtvtalk.com/forum/archive/o_t/t . . . n_menus.html this guy's got the same problem i do on FC5. no fonts in 0.20, even when switching themes. except i didn't upgrade. it's a fresh installation. |
| [19:48:56] | siXy: | CBiLLL: reccomend yonah on the abit hdmi board. near-silent and very multimedia freindly |
| [19:49:16] | CBiLLL: | siXy : I will check it out .. thanks |
| [19:49:18] | gbee: | the look of the mac mini is great, but it's not exactly value for money :( |
| [19:49:34] | fryfrog: | siXy: what board you are refering to, has a name? |
| [19:49:56] | CBiLLL: | here the old tandy computer that plug into the tv set .. I had one myself http://www.old-computers.com/MUSEUM/computer.asp?c=91 |
| [19:50:42] | dtm: | my font problem is not related to the xorg 7.1 video driver problem either, coz i have xorg 7.0 |
| [19:50:53] | gbee: | dtm, you are probably missing some core fonts or it's an opengl problem |
| [19:51:09] | dtm: | gbee: does it use opengl by default? i don't have 3D drivers active |
| [19:51:25] | dtm: | installing... |
| [19:51:36] | CBiLLL: | look like abit website is down |
| [19:51:51] | CBiLLL: | http://www.abit-usa.com/ is this working for any of you? |
| [19:52:23] | scopeuk: | yup |
| [19:52:35] | CBiLLL: | strange it working now |
| [19:52:39] | CBiLLL: | must be my isp |
| [19:53:15] | gbee: | dtm: can't remember what the default got set to, but try starting mythfrontend with -O ThemePainter=qt |
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| [19:53:41] | dtm: | gbee: that's what it's set to. |
| [19:53:57] | dtm: | gbee: i can blindly navigate the settings and find that and the choice is either that or opengl |
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| [19:56:56] | CBiLLL: | http://www.abit-usa.com/products/mb/products. . . . mp;model=323 |
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| [19:58:58] | gbee: | dtm: I'm guessing you're just missing some fonts – I can't recall if there is a hardcoded fallback, but the theme base uses Arial |
| [19:59:04] | siXy: | sorry – was away its the il-90gmt or somehting like that |
| [19:59:14] | brad_mssw: | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813127009 |
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| [20:00:10] | CBiLLL: | duo core 2 is 775 socket isn't it? |
| [20:00:11] | dtm: | gbee: how could i possibly be missing fonts and still have the rest of the system working? wouldn't there only be one font package? |
| [20:00:45] | brad_mssw: | CBiLLL: depends if you're talking about desktop or notebook CPUs |
| [20:00:50] | siXy: | ahh its the abit il-90mv |
| [20:01:10] | CBiLLL: | hrmmm there a duo 2 M? |
| [20:01:22] | dtm: | gbee: i might have found it. they're truetype i bet |
| [20:02:03] | CBiLLL: | that is a nice board |
| [20:02:05] | CBiLLL: | btw |
| [20:02:07] | siXy: | takes a yonah cpu, it has 1xhdmi, various useful audio i/o inc optical, 1xpci-e and 2xpci |
| [20:02:23] | seth|laptop: | mmmm onboard hdmi |
| [20:02:51] | siXy: | no hdcp, but here at least there is no hdcp content yet |
| [20:03:11] | clop: | when i run sudo /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend start, as the mythtv user, it works fine, but if i run it as my regular user, it gives me an access error — any idea how to fix this so my regular user can start it? |
| [20:03:15] | siXy: | if you need hdcp your only option atm is an expensive and noisy graphics card |
| [20:03:50] | siXy: | clop – use chkconfig to start the backend at boottime |
| [20:04:15] | CBiLLL: | how does this onboard hdmi works? does it use the video card controller inserted into the pci express slot? |
| [20:04:17] | siXy: | chkconfig mythtv-backend --levels 5 on |
| [20:04:17] | brad_mssw: | well, don't think you'll ever get HDCP and linux anyhow |
| [20:04:40] | siXy: | CBiLLL: it has an onboard gfx card. that should be plenty for mythtv |
| [20:04:55] | ** siXy looks to dvd-jon for that one ** | |
| [20:05:24] | clop: | siXy, hrmn, looks like I don't have a chkconfig program |
| [20:05:48] | siXy: | you need to be root |
| [20:06:10] | seth|laptop: | so here is a question, does anyone know if mythtv users will be able to play HD or Blue-DVD's? |
| [20:06:38] | GreyFoxx: | way to early to even guess :) |
| [20:06:42] | CBiLLL: | I bet it will if there hardware player out for it |
| [20:06:43] | seth|laptop: | I figured |
| [20:06:47] | siXy: | seth|laptop: too early but looks unlikely |
| [20:06:50] | itchi: | Is there not an way to encode directly in ogg ? |
| [20:06:52] | kormoc: | if mplayer/xine/friends get support, myth can use them |
| [20:07:11] | siXy: | to begin with at least... but i have my doubts as to the integrity of hdcp |
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| [20:08:48] | CBiLLL: | what would be the min video controller you need to display hdtv ? |
| [20:08:53] | siXy: | in theory you can break hdcp just by getting 40 hdcp devices together... or 40 working keys |
| [20:09:06] | CBiLLL: | nvidia 6600 256k? |
| [20:09:27] | kormoc: | CBiLLL, it's more a cpu question |
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| [20:09:38] | brad_mssw: | 256 'k' ??? |
| [20:09:44] | siXy: | CBiLLL: the intel gma 950 on the abit board should be fine |
| [20:09:49] | kormoc: | CBiLLL, the video card will help out, but really, without the cpu, it's rather useless |
| [20:09:51] | CBiLLL: | ah shit .. I meant M sorry |
| [20:10:08] | siXy: | but if you want a add on the low-end 7000 series are what i would go for |
| [20:10:36] | CBiLLL: | ok cool thanks for the inputs I like the idea of having everying on the mobo and save slots for tuner cards thou |
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| [20:10:52] | kormoc: | my pci 5200 did 1080i just fine |
| [20:11:02] | CBiLLL: | that good to hear |
| [20:11:14] | brad_mssw: | the video card really shouldn't matter ... you're not rendering 3D for TV ... and if you're watching HDTV, I haven't found a card which can decode that on-chip w/XvMC |
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| [20:11:15] | seth|laptop: | 5200's are all-around preformers, I see them often in the forums |
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| [20:11:36] | brad_mssw: | so CPU is more meaningful |
| [20:11:38] | seth|laptop: | and inexpensive to boot |
| [20:11:40] | siXy: | unless you plan to use xvmc (which has its own issues) then its almost entirely cpu-bound |
| [20:11:54] | brad_mssw: | xvmc is worthless on HDTV |
| [20:12:00] | seth|laptop: | is xvmc working well yet in .20? |
| [20:12:05] | brad_mssw: | and worthless for anything bug mpeg2 |
| [20:12:09] | brad_mssw: | s/bug/but/ |
| [20:12:14] | siXy: | anything above a p4 2.2ghz should be trouble-free |
| [20:12:31] | kormoc: | and as for memory requirements, 1 1080 frame is only 8 megs or so entirely raw |
| [20:12:54] | kormoc: | so really, 32 megs would be enough for a few frames, and anything above 64 wouldn't likely be used |
| [20:13:03] | siXy: | brad_mssw: havent tried on 0.20 but on 0.19 i found it dropped cpu util a fair bit, albiet with very flaky osd's |
| [20:13:13] | kormoc: | brad_mssw, XvMC wasn't intended to do full GPU decoding |
| [20:13:29] | brad_mssw: | kormoc: right, mainly idct or whatnot |
| [20:13:33] | kormoc: | right |
| [20:13:52] | brad_mssw: | siXy: on hdtv, on my 6600, xvmc is very very very choppy |
| [20:14:13] | kormoc: | my 6800 with XvMC works quite well with 1080i/720p/720i |
| [20:14:14] | brad_mssw: | siXy: (and oddly, very CPU intensive) |
| [20:14:26] | kormoc: | as does my 6200 and 5800 and 5200 |
| [20:14:27] | seth|laptop: | my xvmc worked well in .19, no luck in .20 yet though |
| [20:14:29] | siXy: | thats the nvidia binaries for you :( |
| [20:14:44] | kormoc: | brad_mssw, XvMC seems to be *very* motherboard chipset dependant |
| [20:15:14] | siXy: | kormoc: whats your milage with XvMC and osd under 0.20? |
| [20:15:17] | brad_mssw: | kormoc: hmm, gone through 2 motherboards ... 1 GeForce 6150 and 1 ATI Xpress 200 |
| [20:15:27] | brad_mssw: | kormoc: and my 6600 card was choppy on both :/ |
| [20:15:38] | brad_mssw: | with xvmc that is |
| [20:15:39] | kormoc: | siXy, works exactly the same as 0.19 for myself |
| [20:15:57] | kormoc: | brad_mssw, yeah, I've only had luck with intel chipsets and XvMC |
| [20:16:07] | brad_mssw: | ah, interesting |
| [20:16:14] | siXy: | brad: do not attpemt to use xpress200 motherboards if you can possibly avoid it |
| [20:16:29] | brad_mssw: | siXy: hah, no kidding ... that was my first mobo |
| [20:16:46] | brad_mssw: | siXy: wish I knew that before I threw away the $85 on it |
| [20:16:46] | kormoc: | brad_mssw, I only own intel chipsets personally, but helping others, it seems to hold that the intel chipset just seems to like XvMC much better then the others |
| [20:20:16] | gbee: | suppose I should pack for tomorrow |
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| [20:26:29] | itchi: | Is there not an channel for xmltv? Have some noobs questions about it. And like i not get it working mythtv |
| [20:28:26] | BULLE: | xmltv isnt realy generating that much of a discussion |
| [20:28:30] | BULLE: | i mean, its not so much to discuss or setup |
| [20:28:53] | Anduin: | itchi: They do have a mail list |
| [20:29:10] | scopeuk: | BULLE it manages to make lfie a pita soem tiems though |
| [20:29:21] | scopeuk: | last problem i had wit hti wasthe use of a depreciated perl function |
| [20:29:22] | BULLE: | scopeuk: true |
| [20:29:33] | BULLE: | perl should be declared deprecated =) |
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| [20:29:49] | scopeuk: | python or c? |
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| [20:30:47] | itchi: | Anduin: Ok, gona look to it |
| [20:31:27] | scopeuk: | BULLE last time i had problems i was within about an inch of scrappig nthe project entrirely |
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| [20:32:20] | BULLE: | scopeuk: python or c ? depends on what you are doing i would say |
| [20:33:42] | itchi: | The use of xmltv, is it tv_grab_be > grabbed.xml ? |
| [20:35:20] | itchi: | I think it's been working like i get data in that grabbed.xml file. All the listings are been there. But i not know how i can get that working with mythtv. Looks like mythtv get no reply of the tv_grab command |
| [20:35:46] | piderworm: | lol, im trying to ./configure my myththemes checkout, and when i do, i get this error "Project ERROR: Please run ./configure" .... wtf |
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| [20:38:27] | Anduin: | piderworm: check the symlink for mythconfig.mak in that directory |
| [20:38:43] | seth|laptop: | piderworm: I don't think you need to configure mythtemes, just make && make install |
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| [20:39:11] | piderworm: | mythconfig.mak -> /usr/local/include/mythtv/mythconfig.mak |
| [20:39:24] | Anduin: | piderworm: is it valid? |
| [20:39:25] | piderworm: | no |
| [20:39:49] | Anduin: | piderworm: You need to make install the main stuff first |
| [20:39:57] | piderworm: | seth|laptop: im following the instructions from the link you gave me earlier |
| [20:40:05] | piderworm: | Anduin: ok |
| [20:41:12] | seth|laptop: | I beleive I had that error too, just ran make as root, and sudo make install as user, but yes you need to have mythv installed first, I think it says that further down on the page as a fix |
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| [20:42:47] | liran: | heys |
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| [20:48:02] | liran: | whats mytharchive for? |
| [20:48:30] | fryfrog: | 2006-10–24 16:46:12.087 MythPlugin::Init() dlerror: /usr/lib/mythtv/plugins/liblib2.so.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| [20:48:33] | fryfrog: | wth? |
| [20:48:57] | D-side: | you broke it. |
| [20:49:08] | liran: | fryfrog: whats liblib2 |
| [20:49:23] | seth|laptop: | mytharchive is for taking recordings you have and burning them to DVD, or just archiving them to a file |
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| [20:50:03] | liran: | seth|laptop: well burning them to a dvd doesnt interest me. when you say archiving them to a file you mean compressing them to a zip-like archive? |
| [20:50:14] | seth|laptop: | kind of , yes |
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| [20:50:28] | seth|laptop: | it will compress them |
| [20:50:32] | liran: | ahh i see |
| [20:50:45] | liran: | ill tell you why im asking |
| [20:51:21] | liran: | there's a way to play a dvd or an audio cd or even to rip them but if you have a cd with a divx movie and it's subtitles on it there's no way to play that easily from the menus |
| [20:51:24] | seth|laptop: | I have never tried the file option, I have taken 6 episodes of ghost hunters, that weighed in at 12.6GB and burned them to a 4.7GB dvd, this is the only experience I have ATM |
| [20:51:35] | liran: | same goes for mp3s, if i have a cd collection of mp3s, there's no way to import it |
| [20:52:25] | seth|laptop: | well you could copy the files to /myth/video, and /myth/music respectively |
| [20:52:34] | seth|laptop: | then do a music/video scan |
| [20:53:02] | liran: | copy them you mean via the terminal, not through mythtv |
| [20:53:07] | seth|laptop: | correct |
| [20:53:13] | liran: | heh well thats hardly a solution |
| [20:53:22] | seth|laptop: | sorry :-) |
| [20:53:34] | liran: | cause i could tell you that there's no need for a mythvideo plugin cause i could just run mplayer from the terminal :) |
| [20:53:40] | liran: | right, so we need a plugin :) |
| [20:53:45] | seth|laptop: | all I can tell you, as far as I kow, there is no import feature, except for actual dvd's and audio cd's |
| [20:53:56] | seth|laptop: | well get to work , heh :-) |
| [20:54:26] | seth|laptop: | j/k |
| [20:54:26] | liran: | i already wrote one plugin i dont have the time or the nurve to put the effort on developing another |
| [20:54:46] | liran: | but we got a democracy going on here seth so lets use it |
| [20:55:07] | liran: | someone raise his hand to win a free code-a-plugin contest! |
| [20:55:08] | liran: | lol :) |
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| [20:55:30] | ** BULLE raises seth|laptops hand ** | |
| [20:55:33] | seth|laptop: | well you are in the right place for that ;-) |
| [20:55:50] | liran: | hehe bulle |
| [20:55:54] | ** seth|laptop can't code, to that extent, appologies ** | |
| [20:56:04] | liran: | bulle i say we make him code |
| [20:56:20] | liran: | bulle: lets force him to read a qt/c++ book! |
| [20:56:22] | ** seth|laptop mounts his divx and mp3 via nfs and samba ** | |
| [20:56:50] | seth|laptop: | then creates symbolic links |
| [20:56:55] | ** seth|laptop is a cheater ** | |
| [20:56:59] | BULLE: | liran: aye, im pretty good at handling longswords, so i can use that skill to motivate him |
| [20:57:14] | liran: | oh look seth, i accidently found a qt/c++ pdf on my hard drive, whats your email ill send it over :p |
| [20:57:23] | ** seth|laptop is a class AA fencing instructor, for the SCA ** | |
| [20:57:23] | liran: | lol bulle |
| [20:57:34] | liran: | well looks like it'll be a good fight then lads |
| [20:57:45] | BULLE: | seth|laptop: he, we tend to fight with SCA guys now and then, pretty funny |
| [20:57:59] | BULLE: | seth|laptop: but they tend to get uppset, because we "break" the rules |
| [20:58:17] | seth|laptop: | well I have been known to do that as well, until I get chastised for it |
| [20:58:35] | seth|laptop: | but I have to leave work for now, I'll be back later |
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| [21:01:05] | liran: | i seriously need to solve that streaming problem from watch tv mode |
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| [21:02:25] | dapper-daniel: | Hi! I have problems with mythtv... A |
| [21:02:25] | dapper-daniel: | fter a few times channel switching hangs. Mythtv tells |
| [21:02:25] | dapper-daniel: | me that normaly the channel shoud be switched by this time an that there may |
| [21:02:25] | dapper-daniel: | be a problem. |
| [21:03:13] | dapper-daniel: | i use a cinergyT2 USB card |
| [21:04:02] | dapper-daniel: | i don't know what to do... nobody else seems to have this problem |
| [21:05:40] | BULLE: | dapper-daniel: try to set a channel switching delay ? |
| [21:05:55] | janneg: | dapper-daniel: how is your reception? have you tried another app? |
| [21:06:08] | dapper-daniel: | yes kaffeine works |
| [21:06:32] | dapper-daniel: | i switched the channels very often but didnt have probs |
| [21:06:46] | dapper-daniel: | where can i set a delay? |
| [21:07:38] | janneg: | please paste the backend log with -v channel,record,siparser to pastebin.ca |
| [21:07:44] | piderworm: | during make, im getting this error: /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lXxf86vm .... wtf is -lXxf86vm .... google returns nothing |
| [21:10:46] | piderworm: | any ideas? |
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| [21:13:32] | kormoc: | piderworm, look for libxxf68vm |
| [21:14:29] | kormoc: | in the context of ld, -l stands for lib, thus libblah |
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| [21:16:53] | Dagmar: | Xxf86vm.so.* — it'll be case sensitive |
| [21:17:02] | Dagmar: | s/^/lib/; |
| [21:17:18] | piderworm: | i c |
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| [21:17:42] | Dagmar: | It's part of the normal X libs packages for 6.9.0 |
| [21:17:58] | Dagmar: | http://www.blitzbasic.com/Community/posts.php?topic=43363 |
| [21:18:01] | Dagmar: | Probably the fix |
| [21:18:23] | Dagmar: | *Some* people are silly and don't make shared libraries of all the things they should. |
| [21:21:27] | dapper-daniel: | janneg: i'm working on a logfile.... just a few moments |
| [21:23:47] | liran: | umm, has anyone used mythweb for surfing on 0.20-fixes? |
| [21:24:28] | liran: | i see the websites list but the browser doesnt open |
| [21:28:06] | Borromini: | hi guys |
| [21:28:21] | dapper-daniel: | janneg: parte one http://pastebin.ca/219792 |
| [21:28:25] | Borromini: | i try to run mythtv-setup but after asking me to fill the database it bails out |
| [21:28:38] | Borromini: | it says '2006-10–24 23:26:58.377 RecordFilePrefix is not set?' |
| [21:28:53] | Borromini: | anyone know what to do about this? |
| [21:29:32] | dapper-daniel: | janneg: and part 2 http://pastebin.ca/219795 |
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| [21:35:13] | janneg: | dapper-daniel: how have you set your channels up? Have you used mythfilldatabase --manual? |
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| [21:36:09] | dapper-daniel: | janneg: ich use dvb-t it epg is filled automaticly |
| [21:37:33] | dapper-daniel: | the problem has nothing to do with the database |
| [21:37:35] | janneg: | dapper-daniel: let us switch to #mythtv-de |
| [21:37:39] | dapper-daniel: | yes |
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| [21:51:52] | Borromini: | does anyone know what one should do when you get a 'RecordFilePrefix is not set' error during setup? |
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| [21:53:40] | Hoxzer: | http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/232738 lol google is evil |
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| [21:57:38] | scopeuk: | lol |
| [21:58:19] | gbee: | can't think of any good reason why someone would want mythweb available without authentication on a net facing connection |
| [21:58:49] | gbee: | yet that is the third or fourth time I've heard of that happening |
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| [22:00:08] | Borromini: | anyone? |
| [22:00:11] | scopeuk: | gbee acidental/stupidity |
| [22:00:19] | scopeuk: | Borromini set it? |
| [22:00:33] | Borromini: | heh? |
| [22:00:33] | ** scopeuk slaps himself for stupidity ** | |
| [22:01:03] | Borromini: | i check the database – it only has 46 rows :( |
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| [22:01:14] | Borromini: | RecordFilePrefix is not one of them... |
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| [22:01:23] | scopeuk: | soudns a bit light for myth converge |
| [22:01:23] | Borromini: | i wonder what went wrong during the database setup |
| [22:01:29] | Borromini: | yes indeed |
| [22:01:38] | Borromini: | i checked the wiki and it has a lot more entries :) |
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| [22:02:08] | Borromini: | the mc.sql script one should use is available in the mythtv sources right? |
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| [22:03:57] | Joffray: | yes |
| [22:04:06] | Borromini: | hrm |
| [22:04:13] | Borromini: | i used that one... |
| [22:04:15] | Joffray: | in the database folder |
| [22:04:42] | Borromini: | yes... |
| [22:04:54] | Borromini: | i just opened the file – it doesn't seem to set any tables though |
| [22:04:58] | Borromini: | is that correct? |
| [22:05:08] | Borromini: | i assume mythtv-setup should fill that database then |
| [22:05:13] | Joffray: | no |
| [22:05:20] | Borromini: | no? |
| [22:05:21] | Joffray: | mythtv-setup does not fill databases |
| [22:05:26] | Borromini: | hrm |
| [22:05:43] | Joffray: | hmmm |
| [22:05:45] | Joffray: | maybe it does |
| [22:06:11] | Joffray: | I would just drop the db |
| [22:06:13] | Joffray: | and start again |
| [22:06:19] | Borromini: | okay |
| [22:06:31] | Borromini: | drop $database in the mysql command line right |
| [22:06:36] | Joffray: | yea |
| [22:06:39] | Joffray: | drop mythconverg; |
| [22:08:18] | Borromini: | mysql> drop mythconverg; |
| [22:08:18] | Borromini: | ERROR 1064 (42000): You have an error in your SQL syntax; check the manual that corresponds to your MySQL server version for the right syntax to use near 'mythconverg' at line 1 |
| [22:08:20] | Borromini: | hrm :( |
| [22:09:41] | ** scopeuk pets Borromini on the head ** | |
| [22:09:49] | Borromini: | what? |
| [22:09:58] | Borromini: | sry but mysql and stuff is pretty new to me... |
| [22:10:29] | Dagmar: | |
| [22:10:56] | kormoc: | Borromini, DROP DATABASE mythconverg; |
| [22:10:59] | gbee: | drop database mythconverg; |
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| [22:11:05] | Borromini: | okay :) |
| [22:11:05] | Borromini: | thanks |
| [22:11:21] | Borromini: | cool :) |
| [22:11:23] | Borromini: | that works |
| [22:11:24] | Joffray: | I'm sleepy |
| [22:11:30] | Joffray: | I shouldn't be trying to help people |
| [22:11:33] | Joffray: | ;) |
| [22:11:46] | Borromini: | hehe |
| [22:11:48] | Borromini: | don't worry :) |
| [22:11:51] | Borromini: | any help is appreciated |
| [22:12:35] | Borromini: | okay i'll regenerate the database now :) |
| [22:14:41] | Borromini: | okay, regenerated the database, it's empty now |
| [22:14:50] | Borromini: | do i run mythfilldatabase or mythtv-setup now? |
| [22:16:07] | Anduin: | setup |
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| [22:16:36] | Joffray: | mythfilldatabase is for guide data |
| [22:17:10] | Borromini: | okay |
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| [22:17:15] | Borromini: | i did mythtv-setup :) |
| [22:17:32] | Borromini: | it lets me select the language, then instructs me to run mythfilldatabase and then exits |
| [22:17:59] | Borromini: | so then i run mythfilldatabase... |
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| [22:20:01] | Borromini: | i get 46 rows in mythconverg again :( |
| [22:20:03] | Borromini: | hrm |
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| [22:23:22] | Anduin: | Borromini: rows are in a table |
| [22:23:41] | Borromini: | i did use mythconverg; |
| [22:23:44] | Borromini: | show tables; |
| [22:24:03] | kormoc: | so what's the issue? |
| [22:24:06] | Borromini: | then it says '46 rows in set' |
| [22:24:19] | kormoc: | so you have 46 tables in the mythconverg db |
| [22:24:24] | kormoc: | what's the issue? |
| [22:24:39] | Borromini: | i get an error about RecordFilePrefix not being set |
| [22:24:48] | Weezey: | I just did a fresh install with FC5 and a PVR-350 and when I fast forward faster than 3X it stops showing frams. Is this a known bug? |
| [22:24:52] | Borromini: | 2006-10–25 00:24:51.699 RecordFilePrefix is not set? |
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| [22:25:27] | kormoc: | Borromini, and how did you deduce this to be a database issue? |
| [22:25:37] | Borromini: | that's what i get kormoc – so i thought modifying the value in the database itself |
| [22:25:45] | kormoc: | okay |
| [22:25:46] | Borromini: | might help to move it forward... |
| [22:25:58] | Borromini: | (i'm not sure) |
| [22:26:01] | kormoc: | okay, and so how did dropping the DB enter into this? |
| [22:26:04] | Paladine: | bwahahahaha |
| [22:26:20] | Paladine: | 1 million web pages mirrored in 20 hours and 10 minutes using a total of 16GB of space |
| [22:26:25] | Weezey: | hmm meniacal laughter. |
| [22:26:36] | Borromini: | kormoc i dropped the database, then reran the command to set up using mysql -u root -p < mc.sql |
| [22:26:43] | Borromini: | as specified in the installation instructions |
| [22:26:47] | kormoc: | Borromini, okay, but why? |
| [22:26:49] | Borromini: | then i ran mythtv-setup |
| [22:26:51] | Weezey: | Paladine: did you download the internet? |
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| [22:27:02] | Borromini: | kormoc well i thought there was something wrong :) |
| [22:27:03] | Paladine: | still going :) |
| [22:27:15] | Borromini: | if you tell me it's okay, that's great |
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| [22:27:30] | kormoc: | Borromini, well, changing the value in the DB is different then dropping and starting over again |
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| [22:27:34] | Borromini: | but from what i gather mythtv-setup should be continuing, instead it exits |
| [22:27:34] | Paladine: | my search engine is gonna rock :) |
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| [22:27:49] | Borromini: | kormoc yes – but i thought the database was wrong or something :) |
| [22:28:02] | kormoc: | Borromini, can you post the entire output of mythtv-setup somewhere? |
| [22:28:07] | Borromini: | sure |
| [22:28:10] | Borromini: | i'll pastebin it :) |
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| [22:28:42] | Paladine: | http://pics.livejournal.com/greydead/pic/0004hd66/s640x480 <- my kinda cat (might not be safe for work) |
| [22:29:03] | Borromini: | http://phpfi.com/167384 < kormoc there you go |
| [22:29:43] | gardengnome: | Paladine: it's cared by windows xp's teletubbiness |
| [22:30:45] | scopeuk: | lol |
| [22:30:54] | kormoc: | Borromini, you sure the user you are running mythtv-setup as has permissions on /dev/video0 (or whatever video device you use) |
| [22:32:12] | Borromini: | ouch :( |
| [22:32:16] | ** Borromini is stupid ** | |
| [22:32:21] | Borromini: | i just recompiled my kernel... |
| [22:32:22] | Borromini: | crap |
| [22:32:40] | scopeuk: | how did you do that acidentaly? |
| [22:32:52] | Paladine: | his evil Jekyl personality took over |
| [22:33:00] | Borromini: | not accidentally |
| [22:33:15] | Borromini: | i needed raid 5 software support in my kernel... wasn't in it for some reason |
| [22:33:38] | Paladine: | yeah but do you have a cat that watches porn? |
| [22:33:44] | Paladine: | cos thats all that matters really |
| [22:33:56] | Paladine: | in the big picture |
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| [22:34:42] | Borromini: | i don't |
| [22:34:51] | Borromini: | i like cats but i wouldn't want them to live in an appartment |
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| [22:35:21] | Borromini: | hrm |
| [22:35:24] | Borromini: | okay guys... |
| [22:35:30] | scopeuk: | iliek cats but i coudlent eat a whole one |
| [22:35:39] | Borromini: | lol |
| [22:35:48] | Borromini: | ivtv modprobed, and every single /dev/video* device is root:root |
| [22:35:48] | Paladine: | I tried eating a cat but I couldn't get her little leg apart |
| [22:35:50] | Paladine: | ZING |
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| [22:35:50] | Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : +v kormoc | |
| [22:36:00] | Paladine: | s/leg/legs |
| [22:36:11] | Borromini: | kormoc ivtv modprobed, and every single /dev/video* device is root:root |
| [22:36:18] | Borromini: | for now i'm running this setup as root... |
| [22:36:39] | Borromini: | you want me to regenerate the output of mythtv-setup? |
| [22:36:45] | kormoc: | Sure, that would be great |
| [22:37:26] | Borromini: | you don't need dmesg output i suppose? |
| [22:37:37] | Borromini: | card is registered just fine afaict... |
| [22:37:56] | kormoc: | yeah, dmesg shouldn't matter then |
| [22:38:28] | Dagmar: | I'm just waiting for them to make it run through dbus |
| [22:38:32] | Borromini: | http://phpfi.com/167389 c there you go |
| [22:39:14] | kormoc: | what version of myth is this? |
| [22:39:16] | Borromini: | does it matter anything if the v4l*_compat stuff is a module or compiled in statically? |
| [22:39:22] | Borromini: | latest stable |
| [22:39:23] | kormoc: | not at all |
| [22:39:25] | Borromini: | 0.20 |
| [22:39:27] | Borromini: | okay |
| [22:39:30] | Dagmar: | You want all that stuff as modules if at all possible tho |
| [22:39:34] | Dagmar: | It makes life much easier |
| [22:39:36] | Borromini: | hrm |
| [22:39:37] | kormoc: | I wonder if it's fixed in -fixes |
| [22:39:42] | Borromini: | well i guess i'll recompile then :P |
| [22:39:50] | Borromini: | i can get the -fixes branch via svn right? |
| [22:39:55] | Dagmar: | Yep |
| [22:39:55] | Borromini: | or cvs |
| [22:39:59] | Dagmar: | One word of warning |
| [22:40:03] | kormoc: | Dagmar, depends, I actually liked it as statically linked in once I had the settings correct |
| [22:40:06] | Dagmar: | They've still got the weird thing in the Makefiles |
| [22:40:16] | Dagmar: | You may need to remove your existing mythtv libraries to get the @#$@ thing to build |
| [22:40:19] | Borromini: | in what sense Dagmar ? |
| [22:40:31] | Borromini: | well i built a slack-style tgz :) |
| [22:40:33] | ** Borromini is on zenwalk ** | |
| [22:40:34] | Dagmar: | If it blows up halfway through, then it's what you'll have to do |
| [22:40:40] | Dagmar: | Oh lol |
| [22:40:43] | Borromini: | so it will take everything out |
| [22:40:54] | Dagmar: | I was going to say if you were using Slackware 10.2 I could just give you the packages I made this morning |
| [22:41:00] | Borromini: | hehe |
| [22:41:02] | Borromini: | :-) |
| [22:41:18] | Borromini: | i got my slackbuild, i don't mind compiling, as you could tell maybe :P |
| [22:41:25] | Borromini: | this sempron64 can take it i guess |
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| [22:41:34] | ** Borromini goes off hunting for the fixes branch ** | |
| [22:41:42] | kormoc: | I'm a gentoo user, so I tend to be all for compiling :P |
| [22:41:46] | Dagmar: | I use a highly anal-retentive shell script library to assemble the lot, changelogs and all |
| [22:41:51] | Borromini: | hehe :P |
| [22:42:06] | Borromini: | Dagmar one question about the qt stuff – did you have to build the mysql driver yourself? |
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| [22:42:13] | Borromini: | if so: where is it on your system |
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| [22:42:19] | Dagmar: | I just added mythweb to the pile this morning, but there's still some work to be done on a trimmed up apache and PHP |
| [22:42:23] | Paladine: | as a gentoo user you have little other choise bwahahaha |
| [22:42:27] | Paladine: | choice |
| [22:42:31] | Dagmar: | I built all of it myself |
| [22:42:39] | Borromini: | i had to build it myself, i didn't know any better than to put it in /usr/lib/qt-3.3.7/plugins/sqldrivers |
| [22:42:40] | Borromini: | okay |
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| [22:42:51] | Borromini: | can you do me a favor and check where yours is Dagmar ? :) |
| [22:42:52] | Dagmar: | The Qt package included. Screw /opt. It behaves fine in /usr like it should be |
| [22:43:15] | Dagmar: | mysql-4.1.21-i686–2mythtv:usr/lib/mysql/libmysqlclient_r.so.14.0.0 |
| [22:43:30] | Borromini: | oh |
| [22:43:38] | Borromini: | i just have libsqlmysql.so... |
| [22:43:43] | Zider: | you have all the choice in the world with gentoo :P |
| [22:43:45] | Borromini: | i guess i need more then :P |
| [22:43:55] | Dagmar: | qt-3.3.6-i686–1mythtv:usr/lib/qt/plugins/sqldrivers/libqsqlmysql.so |
| [22:44:06] | Borromini: | okay :) |
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| [22:44:19] | Borromini: | icool |
| [22:44:33] | Dagmar: | Annoyingly, you *must* have MySQL installed before Qt is built, or Qt will silently neglect to build you something that works. |
| [22:44:41] | Borromini: | well... |
| [22:44:49] | Borromini: | i have built qt a couple of times now |
| [22:45:04] | Borromini: | it doesn't seem to build the plugin by itself on this box, at least |
| [22:45:46] | Borromini: | /usr/lib/mysql/libmysqlclient_r.so.15.0.0* < k :) |
| [22:45:52] | ** Borromini suffers of versionitis ** | |
| [22:48:55] | Dagmar: | Drat pastebin is being slow |
| [22:49:26] | scopeuk: | which one? |
| [22:49:31] | Dagmar: | Dot com |
| [22:49:35] | Dagmar: | http://pastebin.ca/219921 |
| [22:49:37] | Dagmar: | There. |
| [22:49:46] | Zider: | dot ca that is :P |
| [22:49:47] | Dagmar: | Note the "-plugin-sql-mysql" |
| [22:49:49] | scopeuk: | .com sucks |
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| [22:49:58] | Dagmar: | Without that, it will *not* build the plugin |
| [22:50:31] | Borromini: | yes :) |
| [22:50:31] | Dagmar: | The FUNNEREST part is that if it doesn't find the mysql.h header file, it won't say anything like "OMG I can't build that!" it will just whimper for one line and *not* build the plugin |
| [22:50:35] | Borromini: | okay :) |
| [22:50:41] | Borromini: | lol :P |
| [22:50:42] | Dagmar: | Check your stdout during configure very carefully |
| [22:50:42] | Borromini: | hehe |
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| [22:50:53] | Borromini: | i usually do &> logfile |
| [22:50:55] | ** Borromini is a bit lazy ** | |
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| [22:51:14] | Zider: | I just use emerge *laziest* |
| [22:51:15] | Zider: | ;) |
| [22:51:16] | Dagmar: | I flushed the cache last week, but what i use caches all output |
| [22:51:30] | Dagmar: | I tend to go back and look at that stuff a lot when debugging problems |
| [22:52:12] | Borromini: | hehe |
| [22:52:47] | dtm: | is it normally slow to have the mythweather setup menu take about 20 seconds between each city selection? |
| [22:53:09] | dtm: | i'm scrolling between city names to find mine and it takes about 20 sec to scroll to the next one. |
| [22:53:09] | Borromini: | Dagmar doesn't it need qmake to build the plugin? |
| [22:53:16] | Borromini: | if i do it manually it does... |
| [22:53:33] | Dagmar: | Well, yes. This isn't really a problem since it's part of Qt and I, you know, kinda have Qt installed. |
| [22:54:00] | Borromini: | you can build with qt installed? |
| [22:54:10] | Borromini: | i borrowed my script from our qt maintainer |
| [22:54:20] | Borromini: | it wants qt removed before you build it :( |
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| [22:54:57] | Dagmar: | One of the somewhat "unclean" things that goes on in a lot of people's stuff is that they jsut build the damn thing, adn then treat the source archive as if it were already installed and just tar it up |
| [22:55:13] | Dagmar: | You dont' need qmake installed to build Qt |
| [22:55:16] | dtm: | Dagmar: tar it up for what purpose |
| [22:55:17] | Borromini: | no |
| [22:55:19] | Borromini: | not for qt |
| [22:55:24] | Dagmar: | It builds qmake and will use it at the appropriate time |
| [22:55:27] | Borromini: | but for the mysql driver, you do |
| [22:55:35] | Borromini: | afaik |
| [22:55:40] | Dagmar: | dtm: Like, Patrick builds the damn thing in /opt and then basically just tars that up and ships it |
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| [22:55:41] | Dagmar: | Blech |
| [22:55:51] | dtm: | Dagmar: patrick volkerding? |
| [22:55:52] | Dagmar: | Borromini: The mysql driver is build by Qt on the first round |
| [22:55:59] | Dagmar: | s/build/built/ |
| [22:55:59] | Borromini: | ah |
| [22:56:00] | Borromini: | okay |
| [22:56:07] | Borromini: | ya |
| [22:56:14] | Dagmar: | I don't make packages that are dependent on themselves |
| [22:56:16] | Borromini: | /opt sux big timerz :P |
| [22:56:22] | dtm: | /opt is irrelevant++ |
| [22:56:27] | Dagmar: | That leads to ugliness and befouled library objects that will refuse to leave |
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| [22:56:44] | Dagmar: | "make sub-src sub-tools" |
| [22:57:10] | Borromini: | what does that do? |
| [22:57:31] | Dagmar: | I know without the dropline-functions.sh library you can't exactly use what I pastebinned, but the function names invoked are just disgustingly self-explanatory |
| [22:57:50] | Dagmar: | That just plain runs `make sub-src sub-tools` in the source directory |
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| [22:58:00] | Borromini: | k |
| [22:58:12] | Dagmar: | http://pastebin.ca/219921 <-- shell script. Builds Qt just fine |
| [22:58:31] | Dagmar: | A bit more complex than the typical Slackbuild, but at least I can make atomic changes to it in a hurry |
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| [22:59:00] | Dagmar: | ...and it saves trouble like dealing with remembering to compress man pages, since tidydocumentation() does that |
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| [23:00:05] | Dagmar: | The library I get from that is compatible with Slack's qt package, without being in filthy, filthy /opt |
| [23:01:36] | Borromini: | :-) |
| [23:01:42] | dtm: | i can't imagine anyone giving a rip about what slackware does. |
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| [23:01:58] | Borromini: | we phased out /opt on zenwalk too |
| [23:02:03] | dtm: | besides its inherent 10+ year obsolescence, patrick doesn't care what anyone else does with it. |
| [23:02:15] | Dagmar: | dtm: This is why i have the pakcage instead of using Slackware's |
| [23:02:19] | Dagmar: | Screw compiling for a 486 as well |
| [23:02:23] | Borromini: | what do you use dtm ? |
| [23:02:35] | dtm: | Borromini: well almost anything else, but namely fedora/centos |
| [23:02:40] | Dagmar: | the make() invocation in that script also very quietly injects -j2 automatically |
| [23:02:44] | Borromini: | k |
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| [23:02:47] | dtm: | k |
| [23:02:50] | Dagmar: | Me no likey crude scripts |
| [23:03:16] | Borromini: | :-) |
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| [23:03:32] | Dagmar: | Same script builds Qt for x86_64 as well |
| [23:03:47] | dtm: | Dagmar: lol that entirely precludes slackware then, because that's all it is |
| [23:03:54] | dtm: | so ....... ok! |
| [23:03:57] | ** dtm wanders off ** | |
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| [23:09:09] | Borromini: | k we're compiling |
| [23:09:18] | Borromini: | hope this improves stuff in some way |
| [23:10:05] | Zider: | we are? |
| [23:10:06] | Zider: | ;) |
| [23:10:28] | Borromini: | :P |
| [23:10:31] | Borromini: | me & my box :-) |
| [23:10:38] | Borromini: | no, we're not married |
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| [23:10:43] | Zider: | ;D |
| [23:10:49] | Borromini: | :P |
| [23:10:57] | Borromini: | just to prevent some awkward questions |
| [23:11:53] | Zider: | so how do you.. umm.. you know..? |
| [23:12:05] | Zider: | "play games" |
| [23:12:06] | Zider: | ;) |
| [23:12:25] | Borromini: | lol |
| [23:12:30] | ** Borromini refrains from comments ** | |
| [23:12:45] | Zider: | I think that's for the best ;) |
| [23:12:48] | kormoc: | he uses his joystick and plugs it into her game port... |
| [23:13:02] | Borromini: | who said my computer is female? :P |
| [23:13:09] | Zider: | ww |
| [23:13:09] | kormoc: | oh my! |
| [23:13:10] | Zider: | eewww |
| [23:13:16] | Borromini: | :P |
| [23:13:20] | Borromini: | just kidding |
| [23:13:24] | Borromini: | hehe |
| [23:13:57] | Zider: | yeah right ;P |
| [23:14:04] | Borromini: | :P |
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| [23:14:47] | netw1z: | anyone using a voyager pioneer 3000 stb? with a ir blaster? |
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| [23:33:37] | Borromini: | okay... |
| [23:33:45] | Borromini: | i installed the latest mythtv-fixes svn |
| [23:34:14] | Borromini: | http://phpfi.com/167404 < looks largely the same to me... |
| [23:34:40] | Borromini: | kormoc, if you're still there, can you take a look? |
| [23:35:36] | Anduin: | Borromini: Why isn't it finding the theme? |
| [23:35:55] | Borromini: | this is the standard mythtv package... |
| [23:36:04] | Borromini: | is GANT supposed to be in that? |
| [23:36:05] | Borromini: | or not? |
| [23:36:21] | Dagmar: | IT is |
| [23:36:33] | Borromini: | it is yes |
| [23:36:43] | Borromini: | root[~]# ls /usr/share/mythtv/themes/G.A.N.T./ |
| [23:36:43] | Borromini: | README flurries.png mm_prev.png mm_track_info_background.png rainsnow.png title/ |
| [23:36:46] | Dagmar: | Well, myththemes |
| [23:36:47] | Borromini: | and some more lines |
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| [23:37:17] | Borromini: | so it is there |
| [23:37:29] | Dagmar: | Maybe so, maybe not. |
| [23:37:32] | Dagmar: | Is ui.xml there? |
| [23:37:34] | Anduin: | Borromini: You have a bad mix |
| [23:37:40] | Borromini: | of what? |
| [23:37:46] | Anduin: | Borromini: of prefix |
| [23:37:58] | Borromini: | root[mythtv]# mythtv-setup |
| [23:37:58] | Borromini: | 2006-10–25 01:34:43.472 Using runtime prefix = /usr/local |
| [23:38:03] | Borromini: | you mean that one Anduin ^^ |
| [23:38:03] | Borromini: | ? |
| [23:38:10] | Anduin: | Borromini: /usr/local != /usr |
| [23:38:13] | Borromini: | i know :) |
| [23:38:17] | Borromini: | i want it to be in /usr |
| [23:38:19] | Borromini: | no /usr/local |
| [23:38:29] | Dagmar: | It'll never find anything in /usr/share like thta |
| [23:38:29] | Borromini: | i compiled with prefix=/usr |
| [23:38:33] | Borromini: | no? |
| [23:38:38] | Anduin: | Borromini: no |
| [23:38:40] | Borromini: | okay... how do i fix that then? |
| [23:38:44] | Dagmar: | You apparently ran the version sitting in /usr/local/bin |
| [23:38:50] | Borromini: | heh |
| [23:38:51] | Borromini: | k |
| [23:38:52] | Borromini: | wait |
| [23:38:53] | Anduin: | Borromini: or if you did you have some cruft remaining |
| [23:39:08] | Borromini: | root[mythtv]# whereis mythtv-setup |
| [23:39:08] | Borromini: | mythtv-setup: /usr/bin/mythtv-setup |
| [23:39:12] | Borromini: | that's possible Anduin |
| [23:39:26] | Borromini: | i installed it in /usr/local before by just doing ./configure && make && make install... |
| [23:39:30] | Borromini: | i thought i took it out though |
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| [23:42:07] | Borromini: | root[mythtv]# locate mythtv-setup |
| [23:42:07] | Borromini: | /usr/bin/mythtv-setup |
| [23:42:12] | Borromini: | it's the same... |
| [23:42:36] | Borromini: | root[mythtv]# locate mythtv | grep local |
| [23:42:36] | Borromini: | root[mythtv]# |
| [23:42:48] | Borromini: | so what do you guys recommend i do? |
| [23:43:13] | Anduin: | Borromini: ldd `which mythtv-setup` | grep local |
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| [23:43:36] | Joffray: | I recommend you give up |
| [23:43:47] | Joffray: | and go take a shot of whiskey |
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| [23:43:58] | Borromini: | :P |
| [23:44:02] | Borromini: | i don't give in that easy |
| [23:44:02] | Zider: | ohhh whiskey |
| [23:44:04] | Zider: | give! |
| [23:44:13] | Borromini: | setting up ivtv was pretty difficult and i did it anyway |
| [23:44:17] | Borromini: | i want this to work too :P |
| [23:44:22] | Borromini: | okay Anduin : http://phpfi.com/167409 |
| [23:44:26] | Borromini: | it looks bad indeed :( |
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| [23:45:02] | Dagmar: | Testing |
| [23:45:07] | Dagmar: | @!#$@! |
| [23:45:12] | Borromini: | qué |
| [23:45:28] | Anduin: | Borromini: Yeah, you should have done a make uninstall before changing the prefix, anyway, just clean it up, ldconfig and you should be ok |
| [23:45:58] | Borromini: | okay |
| [23:46:02] | Borromini: | thanks for the help :) |
| [23:46:10] | Borromini: | free limoncello for everyone :) |
| [23:47:14] | CBiLL: | hrmmm got a cpu question .. Core 2 Duo will work in a socket 478 mobos? |
| [23:47:23] | Borromini: | depends on which ones |
| [23:47:27] | Borromini: | some will some won't |
| [23:47:43] | CBiLL: | ah hrmmp |
| [23:47:44] | Borromini: | they have to support more (finer) voltages afaik |
| [23:48:36] | CBiLL: | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813127009 |
| [23:48:37] | Zider: | I never seen any 478-core2s |
| [23:48:41] | CBiLL: | what about this mobo? |
| [23:48:44] | Zider: | only s775 |
| [23:48:51] | Borromini: | ah :( |
| [23:48:52] | Borromini: | okay |
| [23:48:55] | Borromini: | i was wrong :P |
| [23:48:57] | CBiLL: | ah ok |
| [23:49:03] | ** Borromini is no Intel guy ** | |
| [23:49:06] | CBiLL: | cuz I was looking at core2 list |
| [23:49:07] | ** Zider is :P ** | |
| [23:49:11] | Borromini: | it was s775 too indeed |
| [23:49:12] | CBiLL: | and that board is in the list for core2 |
| [23:49:20] | ** Borromini would love to get a Core 2 Duo :) ** | |
| [23:49:24] | Borromini: | E6600 :9 |
| [23:49:41] | RaYmAn-Bx: | can't wait to get mine either :P |
| [23:49:44] | Borromini: | :-) |
| [23:49:46] | CBiLL: | I am kinda happy I waited before starting dvr |
| [23:49:50] | CBiLL: | 8-) |
| [23:49:53] | Borromini: | dvr? |
| [23:49:57] | CBiLL: | now I can start with core 2 |
| [23:49:59] | CBiLL: | or pvr |
| [23:50:03] | Borromini: | k |
| [23:50:04] | CBiLL: | or whatever hell you all call it |
| [23:50:05] | CBiLL: | =P |
| [23:50:07] | Zider: | Borromini: E6600 kicks ass |
| [23:50:15] | Borromini: | well a sempron/celeron is okay :) |
| [23:50:25] | ** Borromini got a Sempron 64 1.8 Ghz ** | |
| [23:50:31] | RaYmAn-Bx: | :S |
| [23:50:33] | Borromini: | Cool 'n' Quiet :-) |
| [23:50:35] | Borromini: | what? |
| [23:50:40] | Borromini: | you don't need any more |
| [23:50:47] | Zider: | my mythbox has a Celeron 2,6GHz.. a tad overkill.. ;) |
| [23:50:48] | RaYmAn-Bx: | I just have an aversion to celeron I guess. |
| [23:50:56] | Borromini: | :-) |
| [23:51:00] | Borromini: | old celerons are crap |
| [23:51:01] | ** RaYmAn-Bx hugs his Pentium M mythbox ** | |
| [23:51:09] | Zider: | RaYmAn-Bx: celerons are cheap, cool and well enough for a SDTV frontend |
| [23:51:11] | Borromini: | from Celeron D on they are worth something |
| [23:52:05] | RaYmAn-Bx: | I suppose |
| [23:52:30] | CBiLL: | I am still looking to pick a mobo .. finding a good one in micro atx is hard 8-/ |
| [23:52:50] | Borromini: | :-) |
| [23:53:06] | ** Borromini has an Antec P180 for his mythtv server :-) ** | |
| [23:53:11] | Borromini: | RAID 5 :D |
| [23:53:17] | Borromini: | doubles as music & data server |
| [23:53:22] | Borromini: | nice & quiet |
| [23:53:22] | CBiLL: | cool |
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| [23:53:46] | Zider: | CBiLL: nano-itx <3 |
| [23:53:47] | Zider: | ;) |
| [23:53:53] | Borromini: | hehe |
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| [23:53:58] | CBiLL: | I just wanted a simple pvr and dvd player which can do hdtv without having to upgrade in the future when I switch to hdtv |
| [23:54:01] | Borromini: | i like to have some room to play with |
| [23:54:39] | Zider: | I've been thinking about getting a C7 board to make a mythbox of.. |
| [23:54:40] | CBiLL: | is that a tiny mobo if I recalled correctly heh |
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| [23:54:56] | regicide666: | I can not get mythtv to stop trying to detect comercials in a file that has allready been deleted does anyone have any idea on what I could do? |
| [23:54:59] | Zider: | CBiLL: yes |
| [23:55:13] | Zider: | CBiLL: nano-itx is 12x12 cm |
| [23:55:18] | Zider: | like alarge case fan |
| [23:55:42] | CBiLL: | yeah I remember looking at those for a busniess wanting to switch all thier cash registers to flat panel screen only |
| [23:55:58] | CBiLL: | with those nano inside the panel itself |
| [23:56:25] | Zider: | ah, cool |
| [23:57:00] | ** Borromini is gonna watch some Lost and come check on MythTV quietly after that ** | |
| [23:57:05] | pmowry911: | HI, anyone using tv-out on a PVR-350 and mythtv 0.20? I want to reinstall my system since I think it may be compromised and just looking for advise. I'm running 0.19.20060121–2 now. |
| [23:58:01] | Borromini is now known as Borromini|Away | |
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