Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Sunday, October 22nd, 2006, 00:00 UTC

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phyber:

nope.

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Igg-man:

Huh... low on resources?

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phyber:

yay for graphical only setups? :/

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mjelva:

tuck3r: tru

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mjelva:

but still

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mjelva:

gentoo = http://www.mjelva.net/pics/L.jpg

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Igg-man:

Yah, I thought that too, but all my computers have X (or just enough of X to run mythfrontend)

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tuck3r:

mjelva: uh, your an idiot

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mjelva:

<3

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mjelva:

so, anyways. the compiling did crap out

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tuck3r:

this is where binary distros suck, time to install 30 packages so it compiles

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mjelva:

care to have a look? http://pastebin.ca/214340

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Igg-man:

Seems to be that all distributions have goods and bads

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tuck3r:

mjelva: X dev packages i think

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tuck3r:

Igg-man: yep

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Igg-man:

mjelva: do you have opengl stuff installed?

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mjelva:

i dunno, man

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mjelva:

i don't think so

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mjelva:

not unless it's a part of the default install

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tuck3r:

you need dev packages for everything

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mjelva:

should i or shouldn't i?

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tuck3r:

alsa, X, qt

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dman13:

phyber: use ssh's X forwarding to have mythtv-setup display on your workstation

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mjelva:

i ran apt-get build-dep mythtv

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mjelva:

shouldn't that have taken care of all the dependencies?

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tuck3r:

it missed something it seems

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dman13:

is anyone familiar with the SolarPC systems? On their "solutions" page they talk about MythTV but their online store doesn't mention it. It looks like it would be a nice box and reasonably priced.

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Igg-man:

Is there several ways that mythgallery can open up .jpg files? Alternate libraries?

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mjelva:

tuck3r: i ran it again, and it says it's got it all

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tuck3r:

it missed something, most likely because it was an older version

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Igg-man:

dman13: Looks cool. I'm running a Shuttle XPC, seems fine here

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mjelva:

tuck3r: you saying i should install packages from unstable?

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tuck3r:

you need to install the right dev packages

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mjelva:

is there a list somewhere?

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tuck3r:

debian-mythtv howts

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tuck3r:

tos

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Igg-man:

dman13: looks like they say they are using knoppmyth (knoppix with mythtv)

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mjelva:

or a program that would check?

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Anduin:

mjelva: mesa-libGL-devel or similar

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tuck3r:

mjelva: libgl1-mesa-dev looks like what you need

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dman13:

Igg-man: http://solarpc.com/solutions.html

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dman13:

Igg-man: they don't say, but elsewhere they mention Ubuntu and Kubuntu

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dman13:

Igg-man: and they don't say which model system(s) are suitable for that use

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dman13:

Igg-man: I'll look at the Shuttle one too, thanks

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mjelva:

Anduin: couldn't find 'mesa-libGL-devel'

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mjelva:

tuck3r: already got it

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tuck3r:

*-devel is RH

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mjelva:

redhat? i'm on debian.

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Anduin:

thus the similar

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Igg-man:

dman13: I recommend getting a cheap nvidia card with it, so you don't have to fight with getting the internal card connected

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Igg-man:

unless you plan on using a computer monitor...

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tuck3r:

then don't try to istall *-devel packages

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dman13:

Igg-man: it will be used with a tv (I'm looking to put that together for my parents)

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Igg-man:

oh, wow. Brave person

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Anduin:

Some children hate their parents.

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dman13:

mjelva: use 'apt-cache search' to find the package you need; Debian's naming is usually '-dev'

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dman13:

:-)

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dman13:

I have the technical background to try this, the real catch is to do enough research on the hardware in order to find something that will work but won't cost more than I want to spend

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mjelva:

dman13: how? i have no idea what package i need.

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Igg-man:

Ahh.. exif data

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mjelva:

that's a fairly poor basis for a search

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dman13:

I know a TiVo is cheaper (eg a series 2 on ebay) but I know my parents won't want to pay for a subscription and it looks like Myth will do more (eg show weather)

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Igg-man:

Anduin: Not all my parents :-)

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tuck3r:

mjelva: the error gives you a hint

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dman13:

mjelva: what Anduin and tuck3r suggested

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dman13:

mjelva: I wasn't following what you were trying to do, I just saw the debian vs. rh package naming thing

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mjelva:

dman13: i'm trying to compile

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Igg-man:

Is there a useflag for gentoo to enable the --enable-exif option in mythgallery?

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mjelva:

http://pastebin.ca/214340

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dtm:

i can't find xmltv in fedora extras, atrpms, or freshrpms.

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dtm:

and yet the mythdora howto says i need only to do 'yum install mythtv-suite'.

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tuck3r:

Igg-man: the mythtv plugin ebuilds sucks

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mjelva:

tuck3r: i have minimal experience with compiling. the error tells me nothing.

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dtm:

it doesn't even show up in rpmfind.net

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Igg-man:

tuck3r: It does? Should I use svn? I'm going to try just 'exif' in my useflags

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Igg-man:

what's better about the SVN?

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tuck3r:

nothing, the ebuilds just suck

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Anduin:

dtm: atrpms has xmltv

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Igg-man:

So... no reason why I shouldn't use them?

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dtm:

Anduin: maybe they just left it out for rawhide, apparently

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dtm:

Anduin: i'm using rawhide. so i guess i'll tell it to use the fc5 repository.

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tuck3r:

Igg-man: i didn't use them because they pulled in mplayer without a use flag to turn it off

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Anduin:

dtm: atrpms has their FC6 packages out

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dman13:

Igg-man: what sort of price do you expect I would pay for a Shuttle system? it looks like they are all about $1000+

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Igg-man:

tuck3r: Do you use mythvideo?

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dtm:

Anduin: ok it's called fc6, not 'development' i see.

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tuck3r:

Igg-man: yes

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Igg-man:

dman13: Huh... mine was about $300 I think

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Igg-man:

tuck3r: I noticed that the mythvideo doesn't work so hot now that I use the gentoo builds

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dman13:

Igg-man: that's more like it :-) what model do you have?

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dtm:

Anduin: are you using "baseurl=http://ayo.freshrpms.net/fedora/linux/6/$basearch/freshrpms

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dtm:

"

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dtm:

Anduin: ?

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Igg-man:

tuck3r: It doesn't matter to me. I can't get my digital out to work on my computer

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Igg-man:

tuck3r: I'll just stick to my DVD player

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mjelva:

what distro do most of you guys run myth off of?

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Igg-man:

dman13: Let me check

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tuck3r:

mjelva: a good amount on gentoo

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Anduin:

dtm: I don't actually use atrpms, and they don't track rawhide really (that I know of, then again I use neither rawhide nor atrpms)

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Igg-man:

SS566

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dtm:

Anduin: noted. how do you install your mythtv?

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tuck3r:

Igg-man: DVI out?

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Anduin:

dtm: own rpms built from SVN

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Igg-man:

I think that was without any extra hardware

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Igg-man:

added memory, CPU, Video card, hdd (had one lying around)

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dtm:

Anduin: well, then. what's that entail? do you base it on atrpms?

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Igg-man:

tuck3r: I added a cheap nVidia card (does have DVI)

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dtm:

Anduin: also, good job :)

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tuck3r:

Igg-man: didn't work?

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Igg-man:

tuck3r: What didn't work? DVI?

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dtm:

Anduin: i haven't heard good things about atrpm so far.

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tuck3r:

"I can't get my digital out "

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dtm:

Anduin: like that it's been hard or impossible to use it to upgrade mythtv in the past

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tuck3r:

not sure what you mean

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Anduin:

dtm: I wouldn't recommend building your own rpms, the spec from atrpms can be used (I made mine before there were any good ones)

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Igg-man:

dman13: I'm not sure what solarpc's you were looking at. They kinda looked like thin clients, but that might still work

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dtm:

Anduin: oh so you made it from scratch huh? why wouldn't you recommend it?

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Igg-man:

the XPC is a whole computer, in a small case. It'd all depend on how much work you'd want to do to get it working

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dtm:

Anduin: i built a whole web hosting environment

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Igg-man:

tuck3r: Oh... digital audio out via the optical connectors

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Anduin:

dtm: More work than necessary, the wiki has one that is partially base on the one at atrpms if you really wanted. If it is a single machine you can just make install from the source, or learn to love atrpms.

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Igg-man:

tuck3r: Not sure if it's my receiver, or the computer is just defective

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tuck3r:

Igg-man: aah, wont have to face that battle for a few months

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Igg-man:

tuck3r: If I set it all up, My receiver says it's getting a digital signal, but I don't hear anything

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Carle4Calder:

does mythvideo support xvid?

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Igg-man:

tuck3r: I'm not bothering any more. The only thing I think I'd use it for would be watching DVDs on the mythtv box, for that I can use the DVD player

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dman13:

Igg-man: I don't know which SolarPC model either ... that's the piece missing on their web site. On their "solutions" page (linked at the bottom of their main page, labelled "MicroMyth") they talk about running MythTV on it

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dman13:

Igg-man: it looks like they are just small-form-factor PCs

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tuck3r:

Carle4Calder: doesn't it use ffmpge?

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Igg-man:

Carle4Calder: Mythvideo can call external programs, so if you can get mplayer (etc) to work, it should be fine

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mjelva:

dman13: did you take a look at that log i linked to?

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Anduin:

Carle4Calder: MythVideo doesn't care about codecs, it will happily pass anything off to a player.

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Carle4Calder:

hmm

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Carle4Calder:

:O

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Carle4Calder:

does it come with xvid support by default>?

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Carle4Calder:

or whatever knoppmyth uses

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tuck3r:

it should

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tuck3r:

try it :)

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dman13:

Igg-man: I'm looking for that Shuttle system now

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Igg-man:

dman13: Okay. My roommate (and brohter) both ended up with a MediaMVP. It somewhat worked with mythtv, but only played mpeg2

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dman13:

mjelva: yes. You need the GL libraries. (that's what the -lGL means)

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Igg-man:

newegg.com has one that's better than mine for $219

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dman13:

mjelva: I'm looking to figure out what package would provide that now

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mjelva:

thanks

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dman13:

Igg-man: thanks.

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Igg-man:

dman13: yep. Mine was actually a gift. They bought it at microcenter

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Igg-man:

retail is always a bit more it seems

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dman13:

Igg-man: my parents won't care much about different video formats and what-not. They didn't even have cable until this past month. (i only have cable for the network but not tv service)

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robbins876:

i'm trying to install openchrome video drivers for my VIA Epia M10000, but when i do ./autogen.sh i get an error that says something about line 9: autoreconf: command not found

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Igg-man:

dman13: No cable? Wow

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Igg-man:

dman13: Dish or other?

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robbins876:

anyone?

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dman13:

mjelva: it looks like mesag-dev, mesag3, or mesag-glide2-dev is the package you need

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dman13:

Igg-man: "rabbit ears"

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dman13:

Igg-man: I get CBS, NBC, ABC, PBS, and FOX

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Igg-man:

dman13: Seems that all the local channels here have added digital. Lots of nice stuff, extra channels

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Igg-man:

Now I need a digital capture card

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dman13:

:-)

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dman13:

then get it and send me the one you're using now! ;-)

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tuck3r:

dman13: still needs for the rest of the channels i would think

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Igg-man:

Off of my "Rabbit ears", I get 5 PBS statoins, fox, NBC (and local wx channel), ABC, CBS (I think they do a news channel also), CW, TheTUBE (music Videos).

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Igg-man:

some other stuff too

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dman13:

that's a lot of local broadcast

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Igg-man:

Yah it is

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Igg-man:

Where do you live?

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dman13:

upstate NY

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Igg-man:

okay

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Igg-man:

I'd bet they would have digital stuff there too

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Igg-man:

Anyway, I think I'm going to head to the store

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dman13:

I've heard that some of the stations broadcast in HD

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dman13:

but I don't have any equipment that would care

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Igg-man:

BTW, the 'exif' use flag fixed my mythgallery issue

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Igg-man:

dman13: yep: 2,4,5,9,11,23,29 are all HD for me

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Igg-man:

well, not _all_ HD, just HD when it's available

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Igg-man:

It's kinda funny, I think I get more HD then my dad does, and he has cable (without the rabbit ears)

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dman13:

haha

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dman13:

say, what is the recommended minimum disk bus for MythTV?

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dman13:

would ATA-133 be adequate?

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Igg-man:

yep

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dman13:

cool

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Igg-man:

just make sure your ATA support is working (DMA mode should be on)

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dman13:

I see several Shuttle systems listed at newegg, around $150 and so

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Igg-man:

I had issues that I couldn't figure out, until I discovered it was running PIO instead of DMA

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Igg-man:

ouch

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dman13:

ah

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mjelva:

i installed the packages you said to, dman13, and the compile seems to be going much smoother

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mjelva:

no warnings this time

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mjelva:

and much faster

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tuck3r:

it's not going to make it faster

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tuck3r:

it just picked up where it left off

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mjelva:

it is going faster tho

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mjelva:

or at least it appears to

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tuck3r:

because it's compiling something different?

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mjelva:

perhaps. hell if i know.

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mjelva:

i just got another one of those virtual functions errors, tho :(

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tuck3r:

so?

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mjelva:

why am i getting those?

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tuck3r:

because the devs don't have OCD?

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mjelva:

obsessive compulsive dysorder?

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tuck3r:

yes

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mjelva:

there's something to be said for being a bit obsessive when it comes to perfection in code

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mjelva:

just look at the openbsd project

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tuck3r:

secure and outdated

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BULLE:

i dont think openbsd is very outdated

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dtm:

and generally a total ass to work with ^_^

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mjelva:

i don't think it's very outdated at all

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mjelva:

for the things you use openbsd for, you don't really need the bleeding edge

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mjelva:

server applications don't get outdated so quick

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BULLE:

indeed, compare it to debian stable or similar linux distro

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dtm:

Anduin: ha! i'm missing deps against mythtv-suite.

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mjelva:

debian could serve to have a slightly faster release cycle

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dtm:

Anduin: liblzo.so.1 and libmp4ff.so.0. while i'm tracking those down i just wondered if anyone else saw that

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mjelva:

at least for desktop usage

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mjelva:

but that's what testing is for

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tuck3r:

meet ubuntu

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mjelva:

or ubuntu, if you prefer

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Borromini:

hello

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Borromini:

can anybody tell me if i'm at the right address here for ivtv driver problems?

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Borromini:

they got an ML but not much more....

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Borromini:

i get warnings when compiling the driver and it fails to load afterwards

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tuck3r:

not the ivtv irc channel but a lot of people know about it

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Borromini:

okay

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Borromini:

i'm building the 0.8 driver as recommended against 2.6.18+

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Borromini:

when building i get these errors:

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Borromini:

WARNING: /lib/modules/2.6.18.1-mythtv/kernel/drivers/media/video/ivtv/ivtv.ko needs unknown symbol tveeprom_read

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Borromini:

WARNING: /lib/modules/2.6.18.1-mythtv/kernel/drivers/media/video/ivtv/ivtv.ko needs unknown symbol tveeprom_hauppauge_analog

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tuck3r:

i had to use a snapshot

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tuck3r:

(to get it to compile)

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Borromini:

ah?

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Borromini:

without errors?

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tuck3r:

mine just crapped out

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Borromini:

:-) not good

[01:23:39]

Borromini:

i got more warnings like this before, but i recompiled the kernel with that other cx* module enabled

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Borromini:

so it has been stripped down to these ones... i found an eeprom reader module in the kernel but it seems this hasn't got anything to do with it

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tuck3r:

using gentoo?

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Borromini:

no

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Borromini:

zenwalk (slackware based distro)

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tuck3r:

ooh, interesting

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Borromini:

:-)

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Borromini:

you have any clue?

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Borromini:

many hits on google point to eeprom & bttv driver, but I got a hauppauge card (PVR500), and i didn't build the bttv driver

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tuck3r:

wait, ivtv doesn't have snapshot releases, what am i smoking

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Borromini:

:P

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Borromini:

i was wondering where you found them :P

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tuck3r:

must be lirc i was thinking of

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Borromini:

k

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mjelva:

speaking of lirc

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mjelva:

what do you guys use to receive signals with?

[01:28:31]

mjelva:

where can you buy IR receivers?

[01:28:33]

dtm:

Anduin: hmm atrpms's fc6 repo has a dependency upon liblzo.so.1, whereas fc6 extras has lzo 2!

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dtm:

mjelva: mine came with my WinTV PVR USB2

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mjelva:

what's that?

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Borromini:

USB wintv card

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dtm:

lol.

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mjelva:

k

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mjelva:

i was thinking something like a receiver to go in a 5.25 bay

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D-side:

dtm: that doesn't work with mythtv, does it?

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mjelva:

are those hard to come by?

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dtm:

D-side: not at all, that's why i'm building my mythtv box with it

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dtm:

:-I

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dtm:

it's a usb based mpeg1/mpeg2/mp3 encoder, tuner, and radio

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D-side:

i could have sworn it didnt work well enough. got a url to the drivers?

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tuck3r:

ivtv?

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Borromini:

:P

[01:33:57]

Borromini:

hrm

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Borromini:

i am indeed missing a tveeprom module

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Borromini:

somewhere in my module tree :(

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Borromini:

crap

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fish_:

btw: which dvb-s card should i buy

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fish_:

?

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D-side:

wow. its totally news to me that the pvr usb2 works now.

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tuck3r:

Borromini: oh, you have to select BT848

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tuck3r:

under video capture adapters

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Borromini:

do i tuck3r ?

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Borromini:

okay

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Borromini:

i'll check that :)

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Borromini:

thanks a lot :)

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tuck3r:

yep

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Borromini:

you're right :)

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Borromini:

if i pipe my .config now, it lists CONFIG_VIDEO_TVEEPROM=m :-)

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Borromini:

yay

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tuck3r:

:)

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Borromini:

off we go again :-)

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Borromini:

hehe

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mjelva:

god damn this compile is taking long

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Borromini:

kernel?

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genpix:

hi, guys. Anyone could explain me what format of SNR Myth expectd in dvb_frontend_ops.read_snr() ?

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mjelva:

Borromini: no, myth

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genpix:

expects (err)

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Borromini:

:-)

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mjelva:

it's taken like half an hour

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genpix:

it's u16 value. But what does MythTV do with it wehn it then converts it into dB's?

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Borromini:

what CPU you got mjelva ?

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Borromini:

O-o

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Borromini:

kernel built :)

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Borromini:

see how this baby goes

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tuck3r:

i think lirc has something against me

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Borromini:

why?

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Borromini:

i don't believe this :D

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Borromini:

no warnings :D

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Borromini:

yay

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mjelva:

Borromini: AMD Athlon XP1800+

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Borromini:

k

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mjelva:

it's like 1.5ghz. but the compiling has been going for almost an hour now.

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Honk^away:

oh btw.. is there any way to make mythvideo work with utf8 properly? =)

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mjelva:

tuck3r: how long can this compiling take?

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Borromini:

ivtv1: Failed to load module tuner

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Borromini:

ivtv1: Failed to load module cx25840

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Borromini:

ivtv1: Failed to load module wm8775

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Borromini:

i guess this is okay if they're compiled in statically no?

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mjelva:

hey hey hey

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mjelva:

i think it's done

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mjelva:

or almost

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tuck3r:

compile everything under encoders as modules

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tuck3r:

mjelva: get a better cpu...

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Borromini:

okay

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Borromini:

hehe

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Borromini:

tuck3r ivtv builds no tveeprom or tuner modules for me though... dunno why

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Borromini:

maybe because it doesn't find any encoders, who knows...

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Borromini:

anyway, recompiling that kernel :P

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tuck3r:

no, i think it uses the kernel ones in 0.8.

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Borromini:

k

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Borromini:

that's cool then

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Borromini:

no moving around

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tuck3r:

yep

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mjelva:

tuck3r: nah. i'm using old hardware for this.

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Borromini:

hehe

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Borromini:

i'm running this on a sempron 64

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Borromini:

if all works out it's gonna be my media centre :)

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Borromini:

mythtv :-)

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tuck3r:

i want to see how long it takes to recompile my whole gentoo system on my core duo

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Borromini:

hehe

[02:10:49]

Borromini:

well i know a guy with a Core Duo laptop

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dman13:

mjelva: you call that old?

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Borromini:

(not even a Core 2 Duo)

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Borromini:

and he says it's freaking fast

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** dman13 still uses a 750MHz Duron **

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Borromini:

that's ancient :P

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dman13:

(I'm not using mythtv yet, though)

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tuck3r:

my laptop is core duo my desktop is a core 2 duo

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Borromini:

but i think it's pretty okay for desktop use no

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Borromini:

tuck3r Intel fanboy? :P

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dman13:

it's usable

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** Borromini got 1 K7 & 2 K8 at home **

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dman13:

firefox is sometimes too slow, and mplayer doesn't like sharing the CPU

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tuck3r:

Borromini: and my server is a AMD 2600+, old desktop is a AMD 64 3700+

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Borromini:

i got an intel IPW2200 wlan card though :)

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Borromini:

pretty good stuff

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dman13:

but this machine is also running postfix with amavisd-new and clamav

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Borromini:

tuck3r just joking ;-)

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Borromini:

if i had the money i would run to the store and get a Core 2 Duo 6600 or something :-)

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Borromini:

i know they rock... i just don't have the money :P

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tuck3r:

i just don't see the speed, i mean I don't even know how to max it out

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Borromini:

hehe

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Borromini:

that must be a nice feeling :-)

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Borromini:

my turion here tends to max out once in a while :P

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tuck3r:

i guess gentoo could change that, but it's a windows box

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Borromini:

you're running mythtv on that box tuck3r ?

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tuck3r:

haha, i wish

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Borromini:

:-)

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Borromini:

i suppose you are running mythtv, no?

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Borromini:

or are you trying to get it to work?

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tuck3r:

yeah, i got it running on my server

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Borromini:

cool

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tuck3r:

i should go test my PVR-150 in my windows box, if the cards not broke I have no idea whats wrongs

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Borromini:

not working in mythtv?

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tuck3r:

the TV input works but lirc wont

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Borromini:

k

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Borromini:

can you get those remote controls separately?

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Borromini:

and the infrared receivers...

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Borromini:

i just bought a bulk PVR500 card some years ago :)

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Borromini:

but with the setup in mind it might come in handy, remote control

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tuck3r:

you can most remotes not sure about the wire thing

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Borromini:

wire thing?

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tuck3r:

ir receiver/transmiter

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Borromini:

k

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Borromini:

w00t

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Borromini:

the thing loads :D

[02:26:36]

Borromini:

yay

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Borromini:

thanks tuck3r :-)

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tuck3r:

now get it to work in mythtv :)

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tuck3r:

(the easy part)

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Borromini:

is that the easy part?

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Borromini:

well... i must admit: i just bought a magazine which has a tutorial on mythtv :)

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tuck3r:

yep

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Borromini:

i have been looking forward to this issue

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Borromini:

then what's the hard part?

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tuck3r:

you just did it

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Borromini:

ah

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Borromini:

okay :)

[02:28:37]

Borromini:

that's cool then, if mythtv is easy :P

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Borromini:

hehe

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Borromini:

off we go, compiling it

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Borromini:

maybe i already did it... i have to check

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tuck3r:

is slackware a source distro?

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D-side:

no.

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Borromini:

no

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GreyFoxx:

"source distro" ? As in something like gentoo ?

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Borromini:

but we are drifting away from standard slackware, on zenwalk

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Borromini:

i compiled from source to see if it would build clean

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GreyFoxx:

Most of the time people do compile what they install on Slackware BUT package systems are available

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Borromini:

i might build a package now

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Borromini:

i build a lot of packages myself :)

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Borromini:

gives you the liberty to decide what functionality to enable or disable

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GreyFoxx:

Borromini: YEah,I do that somethings I install on many machines

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Borromini:

:-)

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dougiel:

err... I think slackware is a source distro?

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Borromini:

no

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Borromini:

it's not

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Borromini:

it uses packages

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dougiel:

hmmm

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Borromini:

scripted package building

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Borromini:

the line is thin

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Borromini:

gentoo for example uses scripts too, to build its packages

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tuck3r:

do you build the package? like does your system compile it?

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Borromini:

but off course that's done in realtime

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GreyFoxx:

dougiel: MOST people compile everything when using slackware, but slackware does have apackage system (tarballs)

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Borromini:

tuck3r yes

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tuck3r:

thats a 'source distro'

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Borromini:

:P

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Borromini:

well some people would call it a package distro

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Borromini:

it's not as bad as rpms or debs

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tuck3r:

like gentoo, not like debian

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** Borromini doesn't mean to offend anyone **

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Borromini:

slack packages are easy to build

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dougiel:

if it compiles against your system I call it a source distro... maybe I am wrong

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** tuck3r agrees with dougiel **

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Borromini:

dougiel what about someone who makes a .deb on his own installation?

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Borromini:

i build tons of .tgzs that i distribute

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tuck3r:

Borromini: thats the users choice, but what the main distro does

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Borromini:

main distro: packages :)

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tuck3r:

on debian you use binary packages

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dougiel:

dunno, I use gentoo...

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Borromini:

tuck3r on slackware too

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tuck3r:

on gentoo you use scripts to compile on your system

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Borromini:

ebuilds, yes

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Borromini:

sources & buildscripts for slack systems are available at the same spot where the binaries are

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Borromini:

so you can make your own choice :-)

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tuck3r:

oh, like freeBSD does it

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Borromini:

http://ftp.belnet.be/packages/slackware/slackware-current/ < typical mirror

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Borromini:

in /slackware you find the binaries, in /source the sources :-)

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tuck3r:

anybody know if lirc needs any kernel modules to work?

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D-side:

tuck3r: usually many.

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Borromini:

http://www.verbraak.org/IvTv/

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Borromini:

check that link tuck3r

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Borromini:

just found it when looking for my tveeprom problem

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Borromini:

it's quite interesting

[02:44:42]

Borromini:

might be helpful :)

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phyber:

how do you make mythfilldatabase not complain about tv_grab_uk_bleb?

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tuck3r:

yes, but doesn't talk about kernels at all,

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Borromini:

hrm no :(

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tuck3r:

D-side: the manual say nothing and i can't find anything anyware on it

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Borromini:

http://www.lirc.org/html/install.html#dependencies < tuck3r ?

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Borromini:

i suppose you checked that already

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tuck3r:

briefly, time to reread

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mjelva:

so...in the compiling section, the mythtv guide says to check in /usr/local/lib for some files to be sure that lame was installed properly. i got lame from the marillat depository, but there's none of the files mentioned in that folder.

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mjelva:

am i supposed to do both?

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tuck3r:

you need lame-dev

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Borromini:

no

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Borromini:

what distro mjelva ?

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tuck3r:

liblame-dev

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mjelva:

the marillat binary is also mentiontioned in the howto, but it's not explicitly stated that you should do one or the other

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mjelva:

Borromini: debian

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Borromini:

ya

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Borromini:

you'll need the dev stuff probably

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Borromini:

might also be it's in /usr/lib

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mjelva:

i have liblame-dev

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Borromini:

check /usr/lib

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mjelva:

yea, it's there

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mjelva:

thanks

[02:50:57]

mjelva:

had to do an 'updatedb' before the files showed up when i searched

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tuck3r:

humm, do i still need bvtv if I have ivtv?

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Borromini:

kernel modules you mean?

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tuck3r:

yeah

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Borromini:

i would keep them both

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Borromini:

and blacklist one if it gives conflicts or if you only need one

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tuck3r:

it should work with both, just not sure if i need it

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tuck3r:

it compiles fine, just doesn't work fine

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Borromini:

if it doesn't take long to compile i would try with either of the module

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Borromini:

* modules

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Borromini:

no clues in dmesg?

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tuck3r:

with debug it trys to find the IR port and says it's not there

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mjelva:

it seems that the compiler created several packages. are these already installed or am i supposed to install them manually?

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tuck3r:

make install

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mjelva:

i didn't compile using make install

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mjelva:

i compiled using a binary

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tuck3r:

wtf?

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Borromini:

mjelva you can't compile a binary

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mjelva:

# apt-get source mythtv --compile

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tuck3r:

Borromini: ah ha, i can't even compile lirc

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mjelva:

i didn't say i compiled a binary

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Borromini:

those are sources

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mjelva:

i know that...

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tuck3r:

mjelva: no idea then

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mjelva:

jesus, Borromini

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Borromini:

mjelva ?

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mjelva:

i said i compiled using a binary

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mjelva:

it's a premade binary that automates the process

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Borromini:

yes

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Borromini:

k

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Borromini:

binary?

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Borromini:

or script?

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tuck3r:

http://pastebin.ca/214599

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tuck3r:

apt

[02:59:14]

tuck3r:

it does it for you

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mjelva:

there's a lot of that on debian. since it makes it really easy to uninstall

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Borromini:

what kernel tuck3r ?

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tuck3r:

`make uninstall`

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tuck3r:

Borromini: 2.6.18

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Borromini:

2.6.18?

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mjelva:

hm. i suppose.

[02:59:47]

Borromini:

i thought so tuck3r

[02:59:50]

mjelva:

and it makes it easier to resolve dependencies.

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Borromini:

you see the error: linux/devfs_fs_kernel.h

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tuck3r:

yep

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mjelva:

which you have to admit are a bitch when you compile manually

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Borromini:

devfs is taken out of the kernel as of 2.6.18 afaik tuck3r

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tuck3r:

mjelva: thats what package managers do

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mjelva:

zactly

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mjelva:

so these packages. do i install them manually or are they installed?

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tuck3r:

no idea

[03:00:46]

mjelva:

stupid question. dpkg -l

[03:00:49]

mjelva:

i guess i'll install them

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tuck3r:

Borromini: the question is how does gentoo get it to compile

[03:01:42]

Borromini:

with 2.6.18?

[03:01:47]

tuck3r:

yep

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Borromini:

hrm

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tuck3r:

doesn't seem like it should

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Borromini:

no

[03:03:23]

Borromini:

i don't think they backported devfs...

[03:03:29]

Borromini:

debian does that stuff but not gentoo afaik

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Borromini:

maybe they hacked the sources for udev tuck3r ?

[03:03:55]

Borromini:

udev is what's replacing devfs

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tuck3r:

wait, why the hell does lirc still depend on devfs?

[03:04:28]

Borromini:

indeed

[03:04:35]

Borromini:

well you know too 2.6.18 is the latest kernel

[03:04:43]

Borromini:

which has been out for like a few weeks...

[03:04:53]

Borromini:

when was the latest update to lirc sources?

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Borromini:

try CVS?

[03:05:04]

Borromini:

or is this CVS?

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tuck3r:

#if LINUX_VERSION_CODE >= KERNEL_VERSION(2,4,0)

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tuck3r:

#include <linux/devfs_fs_kernel.h>

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tuck3r:

make fuckup?

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Borromini:

>=

[03:06:51]

Borromini:

probably not

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Borromini:

2.6.x is still bigger than 2.4 :-)

[03:07:29]

Borromini:

maybe check in #gentoo how they handled it?

[03:07:42]

Borromini:

do you know people running 2.6.18 on gentoo and using lirc with it?

[03:08:15]

tuck3r:

ding ding ding

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tuck3r:

in 0.8.1

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tuck3r:

#if defined(LIRC_HAVE_DEVFS)

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tuck3r:

#include <linux/devfs_fs_kernel.h>

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Borromini:

ah

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Borromini:

so you can disable it?

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tuck3r:

that check should fail on 2.6.18

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tuck3r:

so it should compile

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tuck3r:

and that it does

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Borromini:

check if LIRC_HAVE_DEVFS is defined?

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Borromini:

it compiles now??

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tuck3r:

yep

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Borromini:

cool

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Borromini:

hrm... i need mysql qt drivers, but they come with qt sources :(

[03:11:04]

Borromini:

shite :X

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tuck3r:

now this gem http://pastebin.ca/214612

[03:12:21]

tuck3r:

but the file is there :/

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Borromini:

:(

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Borromini:

that doesn't look nice... i don't know what to do with that man, sry...

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Paladine:

did you do what it says

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Paladine:

Run 'make oldconfig && make prepare' on kernel src to fix it.";

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tuck3r:

make prepare yes

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Paladine:

did you do make oldconfig first?

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tuck3r:

running

[03:16:39]

tuck3r:

same error

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Paladine:

did you run make oldconfig and then do make prepare?

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tuck3r:

yeo

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tuck3r:

p

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Paladine:

thought you said you did make prepare first

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tuck3r:

i reran both

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Paladine:

did you make clean first?

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Paladine:

<tuck3r> #if LINUX_VERSION_CODE >= KERNEL_VERSION(2,4,0)

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Paladine:

<tuck3r> #include <linux/devfs_fs_kernel.h>

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Paladine:

why they commented out?

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tuck3r:

thats a pre-processer directive

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Paladine:

I never had to do any of this crap for lirc, where did you get your lirc source from?

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GreyFoxx:

They aren't

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GreyFoxx:

# is a comment in perl and shell scripts, but not C/C++ :)

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tuck3r:

it tells the pre-processer

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tuck3r:

Paladine: the site?

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Paladine:

just curious why you are looking at the source at all really, I never had to edit any source when I installed

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tuck3r:

i didn't edit it, just had to get newer version

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Borromini:

i have had to 'hack' more C source files than i liked :P

[03:21:56]

** Borromini doesn't know a bit about C/C++ **

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tuck3r:

i know some C++ but not a enough to be useful

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Paladine:

ah hang on you are using a completely different kernel to me :)

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Paladine:

I am 2.6.15 you are .18

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Paladine:

compiling lirc seemed really easy to me, the hard part is writing the configs

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tuck3r:

because it worked for you

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Paladine:

yeah

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Borromini:

Paladine 2.6.18 has devfs removed

[03:26:57]

Borromini:

lirc seems to want it

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Borromini:

i think that's the problem

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tuck3r:

you have to use 0.8.1 <

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Paladine:

aye

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Borromini:

guys i urgently gotta go to bed :P

[03:28:41]

Borromini:

thanks for the help

[03:28:50]

Borromini:

tuck3r i hope you find that fix soon :-)

[03:28:57]

tuck3r:

thanks

[03:29:03]

Borromini:

i would suggest checking gentoo CVS for patches maybe?

[03:29:22]

Borromini:

alert the ebuild maintainer or sth...

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Borromini:

i'm out

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Borromini:

cya

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minthome:

well, i blew out archlinux and went with the recommended Fedora install... i hate fedora

[03:29:56]

minthome:

:'(

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tuck3r:

fedora and gentoo seem to be the most used

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minthome:

drives me crazy that i had to burn 5 freaking cd's

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tuck3r:

gentoo? ;)

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minthome:

the last 3 cd's used like 2mb packages

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minthome:

no, fedora tuck3r

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tuck3r:

hint to use it... :P

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minthome:

ah, meh... i installed gentoo a few times, but didn't like it too much

[03:33:15]

minthome:

you should check out arch.

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minthome:

i like any distro that gives you the option to do a ftp install off a 20MB iso.

[03:33:44]

** minthome winks at freebsd **

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GreyFoxx:

20mb??? wtf?

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GreyFoxx:

I do an ftp install of OpenBSD from a 1.4MB floppy image

[03:36:22]

GreyFoxx:

At onetime I did the same with freebsd

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GreyFoxx:

but that was a long time ago... maybe the install process has been bloated since

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exobyte:

When I run the setup program, I get a grey full-screen, then a lockup. ctrl+alt+f1 doesn't seem to work. This in in knppix. I did ssh -x root#foo

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minthome:

GreyFoxx, well, with the bulk of drivers... you can see how they can get "bloated"

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minthome:

YAY! so i got it working! kinda

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minthome:

i think the machine isn't strong enough to process the HD :(

[04:03:33]

minthome:

and i can't figure out how to get analog (normal cable) to work

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dtm:

has anyone here gotten mythtv 0.20 working on ppc? how about on FC?

[04:04:19]

minthome:

btw, i'm working with a pcHDTV-5500 card if anyone else had one

[04:04:22]

dtm:

[dtm@chromakey ~]$ mythtv-setup

[04:04:23]

dtm:

mythtv-setup: error while loading shared libraries: /usr/lib/libmythavcodec-0.20.so.0: R_PPC_REL24 relocation at 0x0f08870c for symbol `free' out of range

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minthome:

dtm, what's the ppc?

[04:05:22]

dtm:

lol

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dtm:

minthome: are you serious?

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ZeeO:

hey i installed myth and its saying it can't connect to the backend server i found /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend and tryed starting it

[04:05:52]

ZeeO:

still don't connect

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minthome:

*ahem... what machine is it?

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dtm:

minthome: Wallstreet II powerbook

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ZeeO:

.

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minthome:

,

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minthome:

there wouldn't happen to be a hardware requirement list out there stating what's needed for MythHD is there?

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tuck3r:

not really

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tuck3r:

you need a fairly good system

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minthome:

i'm wondering if it's my cpu, or the hd that's being the bottleneck

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tuck3r:

can you plan recored HD video fine?

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kimo_sabe:

ivtv-fb doesn't like me

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minthome:

tuck3r, well, i can't watch live fine... so... if i tune to the station and hit R(ecord) and let it go for a while and then go back and rewatch it. is that what your saying?

[04:16:06]

tuck3r:

set a record and let it do it

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tuck3r:

then play it

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minthome:

hum... ok, lemme try

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minthome:

ok, i'll know in 15 minutes

[04:21:08]

minthome:

i set a 15 minute CBShd recording

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minthome:

i could really care less about the HD, but i cannot seem to get the analog to work.

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Ediehow:

anyone using a channel change script?

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ZeeO:

!p snapstream

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Ediehow:

i get a delay if using channel change script in mythtv

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Ediehow:

but not if i do it externally

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Carle4Calder:

i always get a delay

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cyberkn1:

AFD Error: Could not find codec parameters. file was "/var/lib/mythtv//1012_20061021150903.mpg".

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cyberkn1:

Couldn't open decoder for: /var/lib/mythtv//1012_20061021150903.mpg

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cyberkn1:

Sorry... COuld someone help me out with that error?

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minthome:

tuck3r, well, it skipped thru the playback :)

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minthome:

err :(

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tuck3r:

CPU then

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minthome:

yep... poo poo

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tuck3r:

what is it?

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minthome:

2.4ghz P4, but the old ones

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minthome:

still, i'd think it'd be plenty

[04:47:32]

minthome:

i was playing BF2 with it.

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minthome:

you think if i studied up on filtering and applied some (http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-10.html#ss10.4) it'd help?

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kimo_sabe:

minthome: filters would be more work for the CPU

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minthome:

kimo_sabe, yeah, so i just read

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kimo_sabe:

minthome: if you're using the nvidia drivers there an off chance that XvMC might help

[04:52:51]

minthome:

yeah, been there, tried that

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minthome:

my outcard is a geforce 6600gt

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charlieS:

minthome: wow, hat's exactly the CPU/card I have.. connected to a 48" JVC TV.

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minthome:

hum... looking at top, Mythcommflag is taking up 80%cpu without the frontend even running

[05:25:03]

opello:

the backend flags commercials

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minthome:

ChanServ, i'm connected to a 42 Sony, HD tv.

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charlieS:

charlieS*

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minthome:

opello, well why the hell is it running at 80&

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opello:

probably flagging some commercials, eh?

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minthome:

hehe, charlieS, right.. tabbed too soon

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charlieS:

cool. I just set mine up today, and finally got 720p working. Installing myth now :)

[05:26:11]

minthome:

opello, no, unless it's set by default

[05:26:16]

opello:

it is

[05:26:22]

opello:

i think so anyway

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minthome:

well that might be part of the reason the HD isn't playing

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opello:

should be easy to disable in mythsetup

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minthome:

off the top of your head, you know what menu it's hiding in?

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opello:

heh, no :/

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minthome:

TV Settings > Playback > 7th page

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capt-rogers:

Hauppage PVR-250. Mythtv is working fine. But I cannot change channels. Other than an IR blaster, is there any other way to change channels? I try and use the Hauppage remote and it does change the on screen text so i can see the new channel info for a few seconds, but the actual video does not change.

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capt-rogers:

My cable box is a Motorola RG2400V. Both the Hauppage PVR-250 and Motorola RG2400V have IR blaster ports on them.

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minthome:

capt-rogers, up down on the kb

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minthome:

plug the coax straight into the card, skip the cable box

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capt-rogers:

my cable provider is VDSL..so I have to use the RG2400V.

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minthome:

oh, i have no idea what your talking about then

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minthome:

but still, up down on the kb "should" change channel

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minthome:

s

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Flatchm0:

Hello

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Flatchm0:

Know how to configure an nvidia card for TV-out AND VGA out?

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minthome:

Flatchm0, i just read it on wilsons fedora howto

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minthome:

http://wilsonet.com/mythtv/fcmyth.php

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minthome:

clixz0r "For users of nVidia Video Cards:" in part 7

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Flatchm0:

Thanks a gig

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minthome:

a gig? fer real?

[05:50:42]

Flatchm0:

Sure I'm feeling generous tonight.

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Flatchm0:

Been loking for quite a while

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minthome:

well, i hope it helps

[05:51:36]

minthome:

one day, i'll get my question answered...

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Flatchm0:

digesting now

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minthome:

probally the day after i get the Hauppauge WinTV-PVR-350 PCI TV Tuner Card Remote

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minthome:

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minthome:

i just bid on *sigh

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minthome:

ebay + alcohol == dangerous

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charlieS:

hrm. myth doesn't see the capture device on my 6600.

[05:53:35]

minthome:

geforce 6600?

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charlieS:

yea

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minthome:

since when did a 6600 have a capture?

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Flatchm0:

in dmesg?

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charlieS:

not in dmesg :(

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charlieS:

the MSI NX6600

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Paladine:

some 6600's do have svideo in

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Paladine:

I have 2 with svideo in

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Paladine:

unfortunately there are no drivers for it for linux

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charlieS:

heh!

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** charlieS sighs **

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minthome:

well, there ya go....

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Paladine:

if you use the nv drivers instead of the nvidia drivers they work

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Paladine:

but you lose glx support

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minthome:

don't exist and don't have drivers is a fine line

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charlieS:

and lose hardware encoding

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** minthome tosses $129 in the channel **

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minthome:

someone else get a pcHDTV-5500 and figure it out

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Paladine:

http://rivatv.sourceforge.net/ <- these guys are working on it

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Paladine:

they are the official project for svideo in on nvidia in linux

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Paladine:

the 6600's are supposed to work with the cvs but I never managed it

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charlieS:

hmm, cool

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Paladine:

the problem is until recently nvidia wouldn't allow 3rd party drivers to access the i2c bus (which is where the svideo in chip is) because it is dangerous. If the code is badly written it can basically destroy your card

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Paladine:

but earlier this year they opened up the i2c bus to 3rd party drivers

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Paladine:

but nvidia don't actually do an svideo in card, the chips are added by the various vendors

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Paladine:

so it is not nvidias job to write the drivers for it

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charlieS:

ah, I see

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** charlieS restarts X to test the nv driver **

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Paladine:

I have been in a long email thread with one of the rivatv coders

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Paladine:

but he has confirmed that it is not top of his priority list at the moment

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Paladine:

although he is currently working on the next official release which will include 6600 support

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Paladine:

after 8 months of promises I got sick of waiting and bought a pvr150

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Paladine:

would have been nice to get it working though seeing as my 2 6600GT cards are both in 16x PCI-E

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Paladine:

and are SLI

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** charlieS will probably end up getting a PCI capture card of some sort, it seems **

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charlieS:

hrm, with the nv driver it isn't ignoring EDID

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charlieS:

thank Paladine

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charlieS:

thanks*

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dtm:

http://rafb.net/paste/results/YoJvpk51.html i'm getting asm errors when building svn mythtv

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Paladine:

you should be able to install rivatv with the nv drivers enabled

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Paladine:

according to the devs at rivatv it will work with nv drivers

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Paladine:

but according to the rivatv forums the cvs tree has been patched for these phillips chips, but like I said, I had no luck getting it to work

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charlieS:

the crappy part is that I bought this card because the website said "geforce cards that have capture capabilities built-in generally work fine"

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Paladine:

yeah well I bought 2

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Paladine:

so double the fool me

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charlieS:

:)

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charlieS:

that makes me feel a bit better.

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Juski:

there's always Ebay ;-)

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Paladine:

and mine were really expensive too

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Paladine:

because I bought them shortly after they were released onto themarket

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Juski:

I still have an ATI AIW Pro I bought for £stupidmoney.. completely useless crap

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Juski:

doesn't even work with ATI's own drivers in Windows, let alone Linux

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charlieS:

so just to be thorough.. the Hauppauge cards work, right?

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Juski:

I did once manage to grab 5 minutes worth of video with it though, but could never repeat it

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Juski:

charlieS: I'd recommend a PVR card from Hauppauge

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charlieS:

like the WinTV-PVR-150 or 350?

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Juski:

infact I'd not recommend anybody to use software encoders. Having mpeg encoding on the tuner card is more than just convenient

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charlieS:

the GF 6600 was supposed to do MPEG encoding too..

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Juski:

charlieS: I'd not recommend the 350 to anybody – its advantages are outweighed by the disadvantages

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Juski:

don't even think about nvidia's MCE cards.. not even a sniff of linux support yet

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charlieS:

that pretty much leave the PVR-150 :)

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Paladine:

the pvr150 is a rocking card

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Paladine:

very solid support in linux

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Juski:

the pvr500 is a cracking card too but watch out for the models with Samsung tuners. It won't be long before the issues with em are nixed though

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exobyte:

When I run the setup program, I get a grey full-screen, then a lockup. ctrl+alt+f1 doesn't seem to work. This in in knppix. I did ssh -x root#foo

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Paladine:

yeah but the 500 is just 2x 150s :)

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Paladine:

so it is the 150 that rocks

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Paladine:

the 500 just makes it rock 2x as much :)

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charlieS:

what'

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atomjack:

how can i control the startup order of my cx88-dvb and ivtv modules? for some reason cx88-dvb doesn't load right if i load ivtv first, but having the line in /etc/modprobe.conf first doesn't help

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Paladine:

juski wtf you doing up at 7:30 on a sunday morning lol

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charlieS:

oops.. What's with the AverMedia PVR 150?

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Paladine:

charlie, do not buy the avermedia

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Paladine:

it is absolute shite

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Juski:

Paladine: woke up still drunk

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Paladine:

windows only

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Paladine:

you have to get the genuine pvr150

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Paladine:

from hauppauge

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Juski:

I thought the avermedia m150 was a goodun

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Paladine:

try and get the non mce version as it comes with its own ir blaster iirc

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Juski:

you can't go with with hauppauge pvr cards though

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Paladine:

the avermedia pvr150 is a con

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charlieS:

Juski: what?

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Paladine:

they try to use the pvr150 name to sell their product

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Paladine:

but it does not work in linux

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Paladine:

it barely works in windows

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Paladine:

read the reviews on it

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Juski:

you can't go *wrong* with with hauppauge pvr cards though

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Paladine:

they are very damning

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Paladine:

they only work with windows MCE too

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charlieS:

newegg is out of stock :(

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Paladine:

froogle is your friend

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Juski:

that's no excuse not to buy one

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Paladine:

www.froogle.com

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atomjack:

ok, another question: I'd like to get some new drives to do raid 0+1 with – should I go with SATA, and if so, is there a 4 port SATA card that works well with fedora? Or should I just go with EIDE

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minthome:

well, i'm out,, ,time for the sleepmachine.

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charlieS:

Paladine: I was joking RE: newegg

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Juski:

is raid really worth doing if it's not > 0+1 ?

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minthome:

for those halloween geeks out there, enjoi http://www.evilmadscientist.com/article.php/CylonOLantern

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atomjack:

i dunno, isn't 0+1 meaning you stripe a pair of drives and then mirror that stripes pair to another pair?

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atomjack:

*striped

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Juski:

oh wait yeh it is

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Juski:

you don't _need_ striping for mythtv though

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atomjack:

yeah but i'd like to have it, it's a hassle to have to deal with separate partitions heh

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Juski:

hdds newer than 10 years old are fast enough for video recording ;)

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atomjack:

and it's not just for mythtv. my backend server also stores all my music and videos and stuff

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Paladine:

I need a third 250GB sata drive and a 60GB sata

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Juski:

I have everything but my recordings mirrored actually

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Paladine:

so I can raid5 my system with the 250s then put / on the 60

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Juski:

but what I actually need to keep amounts to less than 50GB

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** minthome dreams about handing Paladine a raptor. **

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Paladine:

I have 8 sata ports on this box (4 sataII) with dual raid

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Paladine:

0,1,5,10

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** minthome dreams about handing Paladine 8 raptors. **

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Paladine:

and 0+1 and 10+1

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minthome:

;)

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Paladine:

I will dream about it too ;)

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atomjack:

paladine:what distro do you run?

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Paladine:

ubuntu

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atomjack:

crap. i use fedora. i have this sata card that uses sata_sil but my server would freeze up randomly when i'd use it with fedora...

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minthome:

24 hours in a day, 24 beers in a case.... ko-wink-e-dink?! -Stephen Wright

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atomjack:

hah

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Paladine:

Stephen Write as in Steve Wright's Radio Show?

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Juski:

nope

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atomjack:

is there a certain sata chipset i should look out for?

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Paladine:

not sure atom

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Juski:

Steve Wright the radio guy couldn't string a quotable sentence of his own together

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minthome:

no Stephen Wright as in HomeBrew BeerCast

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Paladine:

Steve Wright was funny as hell

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atomjack:

stephen wright the comedian..

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Paladine:

used to entertain me on my drive home from work

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atomjack:

or is he also a radio guy now

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Juski:

Paladine: http://holymoly.co.uk/g/corner/letter_S_3.html

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Juski:

atomjack: still the very funny comedian

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atomjack:

yeah he's hillarious

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** charlieS spends $65 more. **

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atomjack:

so does anyone know how i can control the startup order of the modules i load in modprobe.conf? i need to load cx88-dvb before ivtv

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Juski:

put them in the order you want em loaded, don't you?

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Paladine:

I liked steve wright :p

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atomjack:

i tried that, unless i'm doing it wrong

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atomjack:

alias char-major-81 cx88-dvb

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atomjack:

alias char-major-81 ivtv

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atomjack:

?

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** minthome raises charlieS +$65 **

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Juski:

modprobe.conf is just the options for loading the modules though isn't it?

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atomjack:

i guess. so what actually loadsem?

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Juski:

on ubuntu I think hotplug does

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atomjack:

oh wait..i think i found it

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Paladine:

no hotplug in ubuntu

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atomjack:

er no..hrm

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Paladine:

its /lib/firmware on ubuntu

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atomjack:

i've got fc3

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Paladine:

well /lib/firmware/`uname -r`

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Juski:

no, hotplug would be the process that automagically loads modules

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Paladine:

modprobe I use

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Juski:

something automagically loads kernel modules in ubuntu

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Juski:

no such nonsense in Gentoo.. that's the one thing I like about it

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charlieS:

lol

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Paladine:

it is modprobe in ubuntu

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Paladine:

I am running it

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charlieS:

I spose udev is nonsense too? :)

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Paladine:

I dunno where they get this hotplug rubbish from

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Juski:

yeah but what is it on ubuntu that loads the kernel modules (apart from ivtv) automatically ?

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Paladine:

I dunno all the modules I have added I have done through modprobe

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charlieS:

init.. it's probably in /etc/modules.d/

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atomjack:

hmm

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Juski:

I can never remember how to do it in ubuntu. In Gentoo you put the list of modules to load in /etc/modules.autoload.d/kernel-foo/

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atomjack:

no /etc/modules.d

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Paladine:

I load them all in /etc/modules

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charlieS:

that works too :)

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Paladine:

currently I have bttv, ivtv, pwc all in /etc/modules (and some other stuff that was in there when I installed ubuntu)

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Juski:

one of the things putting me off migrating to ubuntu is I still don't know how to do some low level tweaking that I find easy in Gentoo

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Paladine:

bttv is for my software capture, ivtv for my pvr150 and pwc for my webcam

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BrainSurg:

anyone about?

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Juski:

so then – what's the black magic / witchcraft ubuntu uses to load all the core kernel modules then?

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Juski:

i.e. the stuff you don't have to tell it to load

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Paladine:

well if you look in /etc/modprobe.d there is a shit load of stuff

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Juski:

haha. never looked in there AFAIK

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Juski:

but, my brain is still a little bit soaked in red wine...

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Paladine:

nvidia drivers are in there also isapnp acpi stuff ipw stuff

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Paladine:

alsa base is also in there

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Paladine:

and apm

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Paladine:

I don't pay much attention to be honest, I just install what I need to install and don't try and fix what isn't broke :)

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BrainSurg:

A question: I am getting the previous reported error with MythTV and mysql, regarding a syntax error

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BrainSurg:

One of the fields of the table is called 'repeat', which in mysql 5 is a reserved keyword

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Juski:

Paladine: yeah but it's sometimes handy to know stuff

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Juski:

BrainSurg: upgrade to 0.19-fixes or 0.20-fixes

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Paladine:

yeah like I have the time to learn all of ubuntu secrets hehe

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Juski:

Paladine: with Gentoo I had to find the time lol

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BrainSurg:

Juski: any ubuntu packages for those versions?

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Juski:

BrainSurg: see the channel FAQ

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Paladine:

fulltime student, missus, 10 month old son, mortgage, 3 cats as well as being involved in a helluva lot of other stuff

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BrainSurg:

Juski: ooh, thanks

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Paladine:

thats why I use ubuntu instead of slackware (which I used for close to a decade) because it is quick easy and does what I want without any pissing around :)

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Paladine:

its just my desktop box

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Paladine:

my main server is freebsd

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Paladine:

my secondary server will be slackware when I finally reinstall it

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Juski:

I'm still not convinced it's a good idea to upgrade to 0.20 yet, so I'll stick with Gentoo and 0.19-fixes for the time being

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Juski:

when I make the move, all I need do is swap a HDD over & I'm on Umbongo :)

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Paladine:

the first build of mythtv I did was 0.20, I have never had any problems with it

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Paladine:

haven't even had to build -fixes

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Juski:

heheh. the squirrels are back! not seen them for ages... they're in the pear tree, systematically stripping it

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Paladine:

man I love pairs

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Paladine:

pears too

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Paladine:

freudian slip there

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Juski:

there's nothing like a nice juicy pair

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Juski:

pear

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Paladine:

our next house will have a bunch of fruit trees

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Paladine:

pear, apple, cherry, plum etc

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Paladine:

full fruit and vegetable garden

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Juski:

we have too many bloody trees.. they block out most of the sunlight in the garden

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Paladine:

sunlight == bad

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Paladine:

I am a geek

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Paladine:

I hate the day star

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Juski:

learned last night that pvr250 cards apparently don't have composite inputs

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Paladine:

Sat Oct 21 23:57:12 2006

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Paladine:

urls : 45429 (rate : 0)

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Paladine:

pages : 45271 (rate : 0)

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Paladine:

success : 7637 (rate : 0)

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Paladine:

45271 pages queued for mirroring hehe

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Juski:

..which might scupper our plan to use a video camera for demoing livetv in our booth

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Juski:

could use a dvd player I suppose but that won't have the immediacy of a camera

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Paladine:

by time I finish my crawl I should have about 300 000+ pages mirrored :)

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Juski:

mirror the mythtv wiki will ya? ;-)

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Paladine:

Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Avail Capacity Mounted on

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Paladine:

/dev/ad4s1a 149336674 4692988 132696754 3% /

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Paladine:

devfs 1 1 0 100% /dev

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Paladine:

plenty of space yet :)

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Paladine:

no I am only mirroring .ac.uk pages

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Paladine:

its for this http://www.paladine.org.uk/UCSN-Plan.txt

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Paladine:

the academic search engine module

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Juski:

cool

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Paladine:

once I finish the .ac.uk crawl, I have to do the .edu crawl

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Juski:

haha.. some guy moaning about the livetv delay in mythtv – making his gameplaying impossible

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Paladine:

wtf is he using livetv for playing games?

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Juski:

exactly

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Juski:

1730 posts on the forum from me & counting...

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Juski:

top poster! that must make me a sad bastard

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tuck3r:

Juski: only if there was a business in mythtv

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Juski:

I'd not want the responsibility to be honest

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charlieS:

the wikipedia article says many people have discussed it :P

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Juski:

customers can be litigious

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Juski:

though selling 'golden' boxes might have some merit

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Juski:

but even then someone will find a way to make it break

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Paladine:

I was thinking of building an uber mythbackend box and seeing what I get for it on ebay

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Juski:

the 1st time I took mythtv to a show, "where can I buy it?" was the #1 question

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Juski:

at an _open_ _source_ oriented show, that was the number one question.. sheesh

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dtm:

Juski: hi.

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Juski:

hi dtm

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dtm:

Juski: hehehe

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Paladine:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Hacking-MythTV-ExtremeT . . . cmdZViewItem

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tuck3r:

Juski: i hear at some linux shows most people have windows laptops

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dtm:

so you're the top poster? what? you're selling posters of yourself, centerfolded, splayed out on the carpet next to your mythbox?

[07:10:16]

Juski:

tuck3r: getting laptop hardware working in linux can be tricky

[07:10:27]

Juski:

esp. wireless

[07:10:34]

dtm:

Juski: not when you buy hardware that's known to work.

[07:10:40]

dtm:

as in, having the slightest shred of common sense

[07:10:46]

Juski:

dtm: yeah but how many people do that?

[07:10:52]

dtm:

:-I

[07:11:28]

Juski:

we get forum postings saying "I bought XYZ of Taiwan tuner card & it not worky".. folks just don't do enough research

[07:11:37]

charlieS:

tuck3r: no, most have powerbooks

[07:11:37]

tuck3r:

Juski: is it "Linux doesn't work with my hardware" or

[07:11:43]

Juski:

and in some areas I can honestly say I don't blame them

[07:11:53]

tuck3r:

"My hardware doesn't work with Linux"

[07:12:12]

Juski:

tuck3r: prolly more like "I've not got time to make it work"

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Paladine:

you seen that mythtv book juski

[07:12:30]

tuck3r:

lazy :P

[07:12:47]

Juski:

Paladine: yeah

[07:12:48]

Paladine:

16 quid plus another 5 quid for shipping

[07:13:09]

Juski:

no offence to Jarod, but why pay for a book when I've got the internet?

[07:13:11]

Paladine:

J. Wilson one of us?

[07:13:36]

Juski:

yes, the book is by he of the FC mythtv howto guide

[07:13:57]

Paladine:

well it is a little misleading, cos mythphone doesn't work and it is one of the "features" mentioned in the book writeup

[07:14:20]

Juski:

I think with his name on it, it'll be very good, definitely better than some of the books I've seen out there

[07:15:21]

Juski:

I also think if a magazine were to run a 'how to' series for MythTV it'd be great

[07:15:58]

tuck3r:

Juski: and half the magazine

[07:16:02]

Juski:

by 'series' I mean a multi-part article, not some 2-sided walkthrough

[07:17:05]

tuck3r:

to do it right you would have to cover one distro, and you would piss everybody off if you didn't cover their distro

[07:17:14]

Juski:

yah boo

[07:17:19]

Juski:

distro wars!

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Paladine:

naaah if you do the guide built from an svn checkout you could cover pretty much all the distros

[07:17:52]

Juski:

the single big issue most folks have with mythtv is that they never bother to check their hardware works in linux first

[07:18:00]

tuck3r:

"Distro wars 2K6, coming to a IRC channel near you"

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dtm:

has anyone here built mythtv svn on a G3?

[07:18:03]

Juski:

next after that is issues with mysql

[07:18:20]

Juski:

then lirc

[07:18:42]

Juski:

then the EPG... getting mythtv itself working is a piece of cake

[07:18:50]

Paladine:

lirc and mysql issues don't really count

[07:18:53]

Paladine:

they are not mythtv :)

[07:18:58]

tuck3r:

true, but most people lump them all

[07:19:04]

Juski:

they _do_ count in the users' eyes though

[07:19:47]

tuck3r:

*sigh*, lirc is a bitch

[07:20:08]

Juski:

like with any bitch, the key to success is making it _your_ bitch ;-)

[07:20:37]

tuck3r:

for some reason, i don't think screaming at it will help

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Juski:

a lot of lirc issues can be down to lirc's 'documentation'

[07:21:46]

tuck3r:

Juski: http://pastebin.ca/214820 is my problem

[07:22:41]

Juski:

maybe something's missing from your kernel config

[07:22:53]

Juski:

like i2c bit-bashing

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tuck3r:

i have checked that, it is compiling bit-bashing

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Juski:

//www.mail-archive.com/ivtv-devel@ivtvdriver.org/msg02989.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.mail-archive.com/ivtv-devel@ivtvdr . . . sg02989.html

[07:24:30]

tuck3r:

read that, been on this problem for 2 days

[07:24:53]

Juski:

does the card work in (cough).. you know what?

[07:26:04]

tuck3r:

yep, i can watch TV and everything

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tuck3r:

CONFIG_I2C_ALGOBIT=y

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tuck3r:

^^ from .config

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exobyte:

does the all in wonder radeon work with myth tv? (1st gen radeon)

[07:27:16]

Juski:

exobyte: probably not

[07:27:30]

Juski:

tuck3r: maybe try a newer version of lirc...

[07:27:34]

exobyte:

Juski: heh... poor paycheck

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tuck3r:

Juski: using the latest cvs snapshot

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exobyte:

Juski: any reason you said probably?

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Paladine:

cos ati sucks for linux

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Juski:

exobyte: cos AIW cards suck in windows, never mind in Linux

[07:28:37]

exobyte:

except now they're amd, and umm

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exobyte:

lol

[07:28:53]

Paladine:

and they still suck for linux

[07:28:53]

exobyte:

Juski: is there a table of hardware out there that

[07:28:59]

exobyte:

I can look at

[07:29:05]

Juski:

exobyte: get a proper PCI tuner card

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Paladine:

just get a pvr150 from hauppauge

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exobyte:

and I want to pick a good one

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Juski:

do as Paladine says. get a hauppauge pvr150

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tuck3r:

exobyte: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Video_capture_card

[07:29:41]

tuck3r:

yep, i'm using a pvr 150

[07:29:49]

Juski:

software encoding sucketh

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exobyte:

oh, $50 isn't that bad

[07:30:01]

warthog9:

my hats off to the mythtv developers – the automatic commercial skip – works brilliantly

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tuck3r:

Juski: all out of ideas? nobody knows :(

[07:31:06]

Paladine:

well I guess I should hit the hay sometime in the next 20 minutes

[07:31:18]

Paladine:

I work too hard

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Juski:

tuck3r: my ideas ran out after i2c bit banging

[07:31:39]

exobyte:

if I ever get dish network, is there a way to do tuning without the magical proprietary box?

[07:31:39]

Juski:

try the ivtv mailing lists too

[07:31:44]

Juski:

exobyte: nope

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tuck3r:

Juski: thinking it's a IVTV problem, not lirc?

[07:32:37]

exobyte:

Juski: the satelite pirates might have a way, but, umm

[07:32:41]

Juski:

tuck3r: its kinda ivtv related

[07:32:58]

Juski:

someone there might know anyway ;-)

[07:33:15]

Juski:

exobyte: we don't talk about illegal stuff in here

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exobyte:

Juski: and I'm not

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exobyte:

Juski: people do there, though

[07:33:43]

Juski:

exobyte: and I'm saying you can't do what they do with mythtv

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exobyte:

ahh

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Juski:

mythtv is not, never has been and never _will_ be a means to bypass paying for TV

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exobyte:

lol

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tuck3r:

Juski: you bypass paying for tv then pipe it to mythtv ;)

[07:35:01]

Paladine:

but it does take the sting out of paying for tv by turning it into something you use on your terms :)

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Juski:

tuck3r: even so you don't talk about it here

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Juski:

my cable provider is bringing out a networked PVR. pity it's gonna suck

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tuck3r:

#tvpirate? lol

[07:37:08]

exobyte:

I asked on the is there a way thing because there was some push for a common cable card all providers give out so you can use your own settop box

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Juski:

$ky multiroom is funny. they make such a big deal about it yet you can't play recordings off other boxes

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Juski:

like if you have a box in the livingroom & one upstairs.. both are standalone.. useless

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tuck3r:

Juski: we are just 5 years ahead

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Juski:

exobyte: how you get the pictures & audio is up to you, but if the both has a video & audio output you can use mythtv

[07:38:35]

Juski:

the both? the box

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** tuck3r looks at exobyte splicing my cable wire **

[07:40:04]

Juski:

I'd also recommend you get more than one receiver & the same number of tuner cards. One source is very limiting

[07:40:12]

Juski:

but that's a personal thing

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tuck3r:

Juski: thats what i'm trying to figure out, I don't want 6 dish boxes in my living room

[07:41:45]

Juski:

you know how annoying it is when you get a song stuck in your head? I'm going crazy – I've had the same song going round & round since 5pm yesterday

[07:42:06]

Juski:

tuck3r: so don't put them in your living room

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tuck3r:

Juski: then i have to use 2 computers

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Juski:

so?

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Juski:

you get to use a smaller, better looking (and cheap) box in the livingroom

[07:43:18]

Juski:

then the backend can be noisy, big & ugly instead ;)

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tuck3r:

Juski: i want to do HDTV, so the front end has to be powerful as wel

[07:43:50]

Juski:

doesn't have to be a big fugly box though does it?

[07:44:42]

Juski:

I've seen pictures of some folks' mythtv setups.. bloody great big ugly boxen next to their TV.. not nice

[07:45:25]

Juski:

building a purpose-built cabinet is going too far the other way

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Juski:

and probably more expensive than a separate frontend

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Juski:

even MediaPortal is going client/server now

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tuck3r:

i don't think i have anyplace in my house i want 6 cable boxes

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Juski:

so do without

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tuck3r:

i want damn cable cards

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Juski:

in linux? LOL

[07:47:40]

Juski:

never!

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tuck3r:

yeah, where is DVDjon when you need him?

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Juski:

working for the other side, last thing I heard

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Juski:

now IF the DRM they've got was only about stopping you transferring files outside your own home it wouldn't be so bad

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charlieS:

[17179591.820000] ice1724: Invalid EEPROM version 1

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charlieS:

well that probably has something to do with it! :(

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hydraulix:

What's the best nvidia card to get for tv out?

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Juski:

maybe we'll all have to swallow the bitter pill that is DRM eventually anyway. I'd be happy to, but on my terms

[07:54:21]

Juski:

what is the best beer, hydraulix ?

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Juski:

my nvidia fx5200 cards are nice

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hydraulix:

haha

[07:54:42]

hydraulix:

True

[07:55:00]

hydraulix:

I really just need a good tv out card since I'm unable to get tv out to work on my pvr-350.

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Juski:

my fx5200 cards' quality compares very well to my standalone Panasonic DVD player – i.e. they're very good

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kambei:

What's wrong with the outs on your 350?

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hydraulix:

kambei: I can get everything to work but when I start X I get ivtvdev.

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hydraulix:

Mythtv works, I can capture tv with cat /dev/video0 > test.mpg

[07:58:42]

hydraulix:

Just no tv out.

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hydraulix:

Someone told me that I should get a nvidia card with tv out.

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hydraulix:

Since myth is using a lot more opengl later on.

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kambei:

I'm asking, because I was considering buying a 350 just for the out.

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hydraulix:

Ah.

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Juski:

blech

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kambei:

No?

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Juski:

there is NO merit in buying a pvr350 anymore

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kambei:

Can you explain?

[07:59:42]

Juski:

1. it has no digital audio output

[07:59:42]

hydraulix:

Great.

[07:59:50]

hydraulix:

I just bought the thing.

[07:59:54]

kambei:

hahaha

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hydraulix:

haha

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Juski:

2. mythtv IS going the way of opengl, so if you want the cool niceness of the new UI when it comes you'd have to do it in _software_ with a pvr350 card

[08:00:38]

Juski:

3. point 2 means the 'advantage' of having the onboard mpeg2 decoder is negated

[08:01:08]

Juski:

4. to play xvid/divx/mp3 & be able to hear audio, you need to loop the pvr350 audio output into your soundcard

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kambei:

Let us know when the points are done, because I have a question.

[08:01:49]

Juski:

5. none of the mythtv developers are personally using pvr350 cards anymore, so support for it may disappear when it gets broken in the code & nobody can fix it

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hydraulix:

Juski: So what should I do since I bought a worthless card.

[08:02:19]

kambei:

hydraulix: It's not worthless.

[08:02:28]

Juski:

get it working and it won't be worthless

[08:02:29]

hydraulix:

kambei: Sounds like it to me.

[08:02:45]

hydraulix:

True.

[08:02:56]

kambei:

It's good hardware.

[08:03:22]

kambei:

Juski: So, do you suggest a 150 or a 500?

[08:03:24]

kambei:

Or what?

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Juski:

people in the know haven't been recommending the 350 card for a while now

[08:03:51]

hydraulix:

I could probably sell that card to my friend and get something better.

[08:03:55]

Juski:

if it was my money I'd buy 2 pvr150s and a nvidia vga card

[08:04:26]

Juski:

the pvr350 really only has any merit if your system is very low powered (like < 500 Mhz)

[08:05:13]

Juski:

and even then it's no use playing transcoded files, or anything that isn't mpeg2

[08:05:53]

Juski:

now if it decoded HDTV on the other hand....

[08:06:03]

Juski:

(which it can't, btw)

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tuck3r:

Juski: if it did they would sell out

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kambei:

What about the HD 3000?

[08:06:48]

** Juski is longing for a decoder card that can do h.264 HDTV :) **

[08:06:55]

Juski:

kambei: by all means

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tuck3r:

kambei: encode

[08:07:13]

Juski:

but you need a fast machine to be able to play HD

[08:07:21]

kambei:

How fast?

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Juski:

> 2.5Ghz in software alone

[08:07:41]

Juski:

at least

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Juski:

you can get away with less if you use a nvidia VGA card & XvMC but YMMV

[08:08:38]

Juski:

3Ghz should see you right.. that's 3 _real_ Ghz, not AMD's pretendy numbers

[08:08:47]

hydraulix:

So if I don't have HDTV and I just want to use mythtv to the max, what cards should I get?

[08:09:05]

Juski:

if you're using off air signals, two pvr150 cards

[08:09:13]

Juski:

off air/analogue cable

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kambei:

What of digital cable.

[08:09:43]

Juski:

pvr500 cards can come with samsung tuners, which are something if not problematic in linux at the moment

[08:09:57]

Juski:

check the wiki about tuner cards guys

[08:10:09]

hydraulix:

Thanks for the help.

[08:10:14]

hydraulix:

I'm going to do some more research.

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Juski:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Video_capture_card

[08:10:34]

kambei:

Okay, let me rephrase.

[08:10:42]

kambei:

And thank you for the help, so far.

[08:11:27]

kambei:

You're talking about the card itself interpreting the digital signal, right?

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robbins876:

i'm building a frontend only system... do i need to install/setup mysql on it to do so? or is that just on the backend?

[08:12:18]

kambei:

Juski: Using a digital set top box, you wouldn't need anything more than a 150, yes?

[08:12:56]

Juski:

kambei: yes

[08:13:05]

Juski:

robbins876: you only need the mysql client libs

[08:13:15]

robbins876:

alright, how do i get them? FC5

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Juski:

robbins876: heard of Jarod Wilson's guide? go look there

[08:14:03]

robbins876:

i'm there, but it doesn't say specifically for a frontend only system

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Juski:

I'm amazed there's nothing there about building from source on FC!

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robbins876:

?

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Juski:

anyway the package you need will be called something like mysql-dev

[08:18:10]

Juski:

oh wait.. you're not building from source?

[08:18:23]

Juski:

haha it's too early to be doing this for me & I have a hangover

[08:18:44]

Juski:

I think you can just install mythfrontend & any plugins you need

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Juski:

if you're using binary packages

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robbins876:

on a stand alone frontend, do i need to setup video sources and input sources in setup?

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Juski:

no

[08:19:10]

Juski:

you don't run mythtv-setup on frontends

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robbins876:

alright, so just set the backend IP and that's it?

[08:19:21]

Juski:

basically yeah

[08:19:41]

Juski:

and on the backend make sure mysql is bound to the machine's IP address, not localhost

[08:20:03]

Juski:

and that mysql privileges are set to allow the mythtv user in from other IP addresses

[08:20:12]

robbins876:

where do i check that? in the mythsetup of the backend

[08:20:12]

robbins876:

?

[08:20:44]

Juski:

http://mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-6.html#ss6.2

[08:20:47]

Juski:

in TFM!

[08:20:55]

robbins876:

how do you have a hangover already?

[08:21:04]

Juski:

from last night

[08:21:21]

Juski:

bottle of red wine.. did the job nicely

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robbins876:

i see

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Juski:

you said 'building' not installing, which is what made me think you were compiling stuff

[08:22:34]

robbins876:

oh, my bad

[08:23:19]

Juski:

and with my brain being a bit fuzzy round the edges...

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Juski:

the FC5 guide covers installing just a frontend anyway

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Ediehow:

hi

[08:26:49]

Ediehow:

if mythtv is using alsa for output

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kambei:

Hi.

[08:26:59]

Ediehow:

why won't aplay be able to play a wav file?

[08:27:04]

Ediehow:

i thought alsa could do both at once

[08:27:12]

Juski:

Ediehow: what have I told people about sending me private messages for support?

[08:27:26]

Ediehow:

Juski: i don't know juski, what have you told people?

[08:27:31]

Ediehow:

and why are you asking me this?

[08:27:34]

Juski:

Ediehow: if your audio setup doesn't have digital mixing

[08:27:43]

Juski:

Ediehow: you msgd me

[08:27:50]

Ediehow:

no, i just came in

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Juski:

you just came in, yes.. but I had a /msg window open from you when I logged on this morning

[08:28:11]

Ediehow:

i don't know why i wouldn't have digital mixing

[08:28:12]

Ediehow:

hmm

[08:28:20]

Ediehow:

uh, like 8 hours ago?

[08:28:25]

Juski:

yep

[08:28:37]

Ediehow:

i wonder why i wouldn't have digital mixing

[08:28:39]

Ediehow:

i have an audigy2

[08:28:52]

Juski:

Ediehow: cos they suck in linux, maybe?

[08:29:00]

Ediehow:

Juski: audigy has good support w/alsa

[08:29:02]

Juski:

or maybe it's not configured right

[08:29:14]

Ediehow:

i think someone telling me to do something in order to get my other soundcard working right may have caused htis

[08:29:15]

Ediehow:

this

[08:29:43]

Ediehow:

Juski: do you use a satellite w/myth?

[08:29:54]

Juski:

anyway my point about the /msg thing is this... if I give you a solution then nobody else would see it – so only _you_ benefit, which is why I don't do /msg support crap

[08:30:12]

Ediehow:

Juski: i don't need message support, i think i was doing it just to see if you were at your computer

[08:30:26]

Juski:

well, don't!

[08:30:32]

Ediehow:

Juski: do you use a satellite w/myth?

[08:30:34]

Juski:

no

[08:30:44]

Ediehow:

man, i can't figure this out

[08:31:02]

Ediehow:

inside myth, if i call on my external change channel command, video locks for a few seconds then it initiates it

[08:31:13]

Ediehow:

if i am watching tv IN myth, and open a console and do it, there is a seamless transition

[08:31:23]

Juski:

really?

[08:31:31]

Ediehow:

i don't understand what is going on

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robbins876:

when i type... mysql -u root mythconverg I get... ERROR 1045 (28000): Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: NO)

[08:31:43]

robbins876:

what am i doing wrong?

[08:31:55]

Juski:

robbins876: you have a root password set for mysql

[08:32:37]

robbins876:

yes, i do

[08:32:56]

Juski:

so what you're doing wrong is not using the -p option

[08:33:08]

robbins876:

so -up ?

[08:33:45]

Juski:

no. mysql -u root -p

[08:33:51]

Juski:

then enter your password

[08:34:04]

Juski:

or mysql -u root -p mythconverg & then enter your password

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robbins876:

when i do that it doesn't return anything

[08:34:57]

robbins876:

it just deletes the line

[08:35:02]

robbins876:

doesn't even give me a new line

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Ediehow:

Juski: any ideas about what i mentioned?

[08:36:13]

Juski:

Ediehow: there's always _a_ delay, but not what I'd call 'a few seconds'..

[08:36:39]

Ediehow:

Juski: it stops the video for several seconds

[08:36:44]

Juski:

robbins876: mysql -u root -p doesn't do anything?

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Ediehow:

but if i do change_channel from console, it doesn't

[08:36:53]

Ediehow:

x

[08:37:06]

Juski:

Ediehow: pop your channel change script into a pastebin.ca

[08:37:26]

robbins876:

it does, but what about the mythconverge part?

[08:37:49]

Ediehow:

http://pastebin.ca/214912

[08:37:51]

Juski:

well, once you're in you can do

[08:37:54]

Juski:

use mythconverg

[08:38:07]

Ediehow:

before you say something about the sleep, remember that it doesn't do it if done externally, and it does it even if i remove the sleep

[08:38:13]

robbins876:

at the mysql> ?

[08:38:30]

Juski:

robbins876: yes

[08:38:37]

Juski:

Ediehow: ah well. no idea then

[08:38:45]

Ediehow:

it's definitely myth

[08:39:29]

Juski:

maybe it's the 'confuse the fuck out of me' tick box you checked in mythtv-setup :-P

[08:39:41]

kambei:

hahahahaha

[08:39:45]

Juski:

seriously though I dunno what's up

[08:39:53]

kambei:

A lot of people check that box.

[08:40:02]

Juski:

it's checked by default ;-)

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Ediehow:

Juski:

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Juski:

hahaha I just can't get over this... "

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Juski:

Torchwood must stop a sex addicted alien as it leaves a trail of gruesome deaths in its wake"

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Ediehow:

i just commented out EVERYTHING in that channel change script

[08:41:57]

Ediehow:

and when i tried to change channels, video stopped, then nothing happened(obviously)

[08:42:13]

Juski:

Ediehow: mythtv stops recording & starts again

[08:42:59]

Ediehow:

well, if that's what it is doing, it's a lot more blatant than when i used cable and what not

[08:43:22]

Ediehow:

is there any way to make it less obvious?

[08:43:51]

Juski:

not really

[08:44:02]

Juski:

is this with a pvr card?

[08:44:16]

Ediehow:

pvr-150mce

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Juski:

channel changes in 0.19 are super fast with my pvr150.. the stopping & starting part

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Juski:

look in the backend logs for errors.. it's about all I can suggest

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Ediehow:

is there ANY WAY to get around the stupid screensaver?

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kambei:

xset s off?

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Ediehow:

no, it's the dishnetwork one

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kambei:

No clue.

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Juski:

!seen Coume

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stuarta:

!seen awilkins

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stuarta:

morning all

[09:47:18]

Juski:

morning stuarta

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Juski:

right folks.. ProjectGrayhem 2.0 is out

[09:47:55]

Juski:

www.juski.co.uk/pg

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** stuarta watches juski's bandwidth consumption rocket... **

[09:48:39]

Juski:

has to hit over a gig before NTL get nervous

[09:49:09]

Juski:

only ever had issues with my webspace once, and that was with over 1000 downloads of a 1MB video in one day

[09:49:40]

Juski:

damn crazy frog

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stuarta:

that'll learn you

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Juski:

I was proud of that video.. it did the rounds. people still look for it on my site

[09:52:13]

stuarta:

if you see awilkins later today, can you get him to email me his backend logs we were discussing last night?

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Juski:

got very twitchy about Jamster getting litigious though ;-)

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Juski:

stuarta: sure thing

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stuarta:

thanks. i'm out from lunch till after dinner, so I may not catch him...

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Juski:

hmmm does ffmpeg not have an option to get the stream infos?

[09:54:14]

Juski:

I know it prints the info out when it's about to do something but I'd like to know the bitrate of the audio stream ;-)

[09:54:20]

Juski:

without running it full-on

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stuarta:

if you run it with ffmpeg -i file but don't tell it what to, it'll dump the info and stop

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Juski:

it'll fail though...

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stuarta:

yup. 2 pass processing. once to get the info, once to use it

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Juski:

I was gonna do that but thought it'd be bad making ffmpeg fail like that

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stuarta:

that what the old mythexport stuff (ie. pre mytharchive) did...

[09:56:47]

Juski:

is it? haha. ok then

[09:57:18]

Juski:

awilkins was having a weirdo issue with ITV4 wasn't he? on the same TX as me too..

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stuarta:

yeah, cause with some vid's you'd end up with multiple audio stream (often the AD stream as a 2nd)

[09:57:33]

robbins876:

juski> willing to help me get my frontend set up with my backend?

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stuarta:

but blindly picking a stream would sometimes get you the wrong one.

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Juski:

I can fire up my spare box & build a recent SVN & help out if it'd be any use

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stuarta:

yeah, he has itv4 issues. it doesn't start till 6pm normally though....

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robbins876:

i dont' think that would help me.

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Juski:

robbins876: that'd mostly be a RTFM thing to be truthful

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stuarta:

robbins876: and the SVN thing was for me :)

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stuarta:

Juski: nice shed upgrade :-P

[09:59:46]

Juski:

and I didn't die from the nail I stepped on, so it's all good :)

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mjelva:

what VNC client do you guys use to control a remote :0?

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stuarta:

is that mrs juski as the able assistant?

[10:00:13]

Juski:

well I say 'stepped on'.. it went right in. I had a clump of wood stuck to my foot

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Juski:

stuarta: aye

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stuarta:

huh? VNC doesn't control a remote....

[10:01:01]

Juski:

I didn't wanna go to casualty & waste the whole day there

[10:01:10]

stuarta:

remote server maybe...

[10:01:25]

stuarta:

Juski: just make sure your tetanus is up to date.

[10:02:02]

Juski:

must be, in that I'm still here

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mjelva:

stuarta: again...a remote :0

[10:02:17]

Juski:

and my foot didn't turn green or owt

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robbins876:

alright, maybe i'm missing something...

[10:02:46]

Juski:

robbins876: what's the problem?

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robbins876:

in the backend, in mythsetup, i have set it to IP address 192.168.0.1

[10:02:54]

mjelva:

that is, which VNC server/client would you use to remotely control the local x session of another computer?

[10:02:57]

robbins876:

for both IP addresses

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Juski:

robbins876: righto

[10:03:13]

robbins876:

on the frontend box, i have it set to reach the backend at 192.168.0.110

[10:03:22]

robbins876:

i meant 110 above

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Juski:

gathered as much

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robbins876:

but, they're not syncing up

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Juski:

did you restart mythbackend?

[10:03:41]

robbins876:

yep

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Juski:

mjelva: I quite like ultravnc

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robbins876:

you said something earlier about mysql

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Juski:

robbins876: I didn't say 'something' at all. I stated that you'd need to make sure the mysql server is bound to the machine's real IP address, not localhost

[10:05:24]

robbins876:

i see, where do i even check that?

[10:05:27]

Juski:

/etc/my.cnf – either comment out skip-networking or change the bind address from 127.0.0.1

[10:05:41]

Juski:

this is in Jarod's guide AFAIK

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robbins876:

link?

[10:07:49]

Juski:

ooo hell I need a well fancy regex to get this info out

[10:07:55]

robbins876:

i don't see that in jarods guide

[10:08:12]

Juski:

you don't need the guide now I've told you

[10:08:28]

Juski:

if it's not in the guide it bloody well should be

[10:08:40]

robbins876:

i don't have that in my.cnf

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stuarta:

aren't regexp's fun....

[10:09:33]

Juski:

stuarta: oh aye. I love Perl splitting too

[10:09:49]

stuarta:

perl's quite fun when you get into it...

[10:09:50]

Juski:

robbins876: bind-address isn't in my.cnf ? whaaaa?

[10:10:04]

Juski:

stuarta: you're telling me. like a dog with a bone, me ;)

[10:10:05]

Paladine:

I actually prefer tcl's regex

[10:10:21]

robbins876:

http://pastebin.ca/215016

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Juski:

few guys at work like the tickle

[10:10:25]

stuarta:

not having it in a conf file means it'll be set to the default.

[10:10:49]

Juski:

eew!

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Juski:

what kind of config file is that?

[10:11:05]

Juski:

makes gentoo's look uber friendly

[10:11:15]

robbins876:

"/etc/my.cnf"

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robbins876:

exactly what you told me

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Juski:

so in there put bind-address = 192.168.0.110

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robbins876:

where?

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robbins876:

under mysqld?

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Juski:

at line 12 ish

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Juski:

above mysql.server I guess

[10:12:45]

Juski:

then restart mysql

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robbins876:

command for restarting mysql?

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Juski:

christ on a bike man!

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robbins876:

./bin/mysqladmin -u root -p shutdown

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Juski:

whatever the init script for the mysql daemon says

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** stuarta wonders if #unix101 exists.... **

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Juski:

e.g. /etc/init.d/mysql restart

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robbins876:

alright, got it

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robbins876:

when i go to watch recordings, it has all my shows there, but when i click to watch them, it says that hte file can't be found

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stuarta:

do the files exist?

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robbins876:

yeah

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robbins876:

they do on the machine that's running the backend, i can watch them here with no problems

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Juski:

weird

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Juski:

must mean the myth protocol isn't getting through from the backend, but then if that was the case it wouldn't even be able to connect

[10:20:32]

Juski:

so you'd not see anything in 'watch recordings'

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madfactor:

any transcoding gurus here?

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robbins876:

now there's something wrong with my backend

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robbins876:

it won't work even on the machine that has the backend on it

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Juski:

'won't work'... descriptive huh?

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stuarta:

madfactor: try asking a question...

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robbins876:

it says that the backend isn't running, when i know it is

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madfactor:

stu: how to configure mpeg4 compression so that my mpeg2 streams are not distorted so I can save some space.

[10:23:59]

Juski:

madfactor: not worth the effort IMHO. just get a bigger HDD

[10:24:21]

Juski:

robbins876: well when you changed the backend's IP settings, something was missed, it seems

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madfactor:

MPEG4 is used very efficiently in other settings to compression high quality video.

[10:24:37]

stuarta:

you basically have to play with the various setting till you find something you are happy with

[10:25:05]

madfactor:

IS there something wrong with the mpeg4 codec used in myth?

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Juski:

I can't play transcoded files on my minimyth box anyway

[10:25:31]

Juski:

madfactor: nothing _wrong_ with it, but it's a PITA playing with settings, like it is with any codec

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stuarta:

we use the ffmpeg codec

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madfactor:

OH K... how much space does a typical 30min tv show take up on your box?

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robbins876:

so, there's nothing obvious i missed as to why the frontend box will show the recordings in the recorded list, but can't actually find the files?

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Juski:

madfactor: anywhere between 500MB and 2GB

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stuarta:

depending on the broadcasters encoding settings and how busy the show is.

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madfactor:

nevermind. :)

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mjelva:

hey guys. i don't have a capture card, but mythtv seems to insist that i configure one

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mjelva:

what to do here?

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mjelva:

i can't seem to skip this part

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mjelva:

let me rephrase. i'm running mythtv-setup, and it asks me to configure a capture card. i don't have one. what should i do?

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Juski:

ignore it?

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mjelva:

there doesn't seem to be an option to skip it

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Juski:

actually if you're not gonna be watching tv you have no need of mythbackend

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mjelva:

so i just run the frontend to watch movies with?

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Juski:

but in all honesty mythtv is way too overblown just for media playback

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Juski:

this is in the wiki

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mjelva:

i'm hooking it up with a capture card etc eventually

[10:41:58]

Juski:

yeah just run mythfrontend without mythbackend going

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mjelva:

k

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Juski:

it'll be fine unless you try to watch recordings or tv

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robbins876:

on the frontend box, do i need to configure channels and all that? all i did was the general portoin of the mythsetup and set the IP address to that of my backend

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Juski:

robbins876: no just what you said you've done

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robbins876:

i don't get it

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Juski:

check that you can see the mysql server from the frontend

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robbins876:

how do i do that? i'm very unfamiliar with mysql

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Juski:

is mythfrontend reporting anything about not being able to talk to the backend or not?

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robbins876:

nope...

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robbins876:

just that it can't find the recorded fiels

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Juski:

so there's no mysql problem

[10:48:04]

Juski:

and you fixed the problem on the backend where it couldn't play its own recordings?

[10:48:37]

Juski:

you've not inadvertently changed the recordings directory location now have you?

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robbins876:

yep

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robbins876:

on the frontend, i just left it how it was by default

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robbins876:

do i need to change that?

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Juski:

no

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Juski:

right, so on the backend you can now watch recordings & everything works ok, yes?

[10:49:44]

Juski:

so it's just the remote frontend not being able to play recordings now?

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robbins876:

correct, and when i click live tv, it just blinks black and comes back to the menu

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Juski:

strange, because if the remote frontend isn't complaining about being able to connect to the backend, it should just work

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robbins876:

it won't play the divx from my backend machine either... it shows them in the video manager, but can't find teh file to play it

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robbins876:

anyone still here?

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stuarta:

just had a netsplit...

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robbins876:

yeah, i saw that

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Juski:

robbins876: mythtv would only stream recordings & livetv. for everything else you need to share the dirs

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Juski:

e.g. your videos live in /myth/video so you'd export that with NFS, then mount it to /myth/video on the remote machine

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Eludias:

I've got an analog receiver (bt848) which does work in xawtv. How do I configure mythtv with the channel settings (frequencies + names) of xawtv?

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stuarta:

Juski: the new PG normal theme looks a little wider than before...

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Juski:

stuarta: how do you mean wider?

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Juski:

and it's not changed in a while.. not since last time you looked at it AFAIK

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stuarta:

opening screen, mythTV word's in top right the TV part is cut off

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Juski:

hmmm

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stuarta:

switching between them in the theme selection you can see the difference in aspect

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stuarta:

in settings that it

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Juski:

looks fine here

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stuarta:

hmmm...

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Juski:

you mean the logo in the menus?

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stuarta:

top bit looks like

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stuarta:

| mythTV | mythTV |

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stuarta:

2nd mythTV gets cut off at TV. ie I see

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Juski:

what res. are you running at?

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stuarta:

| mythTV | myth

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Juski:

there's only sposed to be one

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stuarta:

1280x1024 (X res)

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Juski:

cranking mine up to that now

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stuarta:

hmmmm. i'll try blowing away the theme cache.

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Juski:

the 'mythtv' text isn't part of the background anymore

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Juski:

right... still looks fine here at 1280x1024

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** stuarta waits for the theme cache to rebuild **

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stuarta:

that looks a bit better...

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Eludias:

How do I reconfigure which language to use in the mythtv interface?

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stuarta:

it's in the settings

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Juski:

I should update my screenshots page

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Juski:

done

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Ace2016:

Hi all

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Juski:

hi Ace2016

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Juski:

now where was I?

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Juski:

oh yes. trying to regex ffmpeg output

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Ace2016:

i've installed mythtv, ran mythtv-setup, it asked me to pick the language mysql info, and then something about database but how do i watch?

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Ace2016:

regex ffmpeg?

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Juski:

you don't wanna know, believe me

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Juski:

Ace2016: have you read any documentation yet?

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Ace2016:

well its confusing me

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Juski:

mythtv is no 'plug 'n' play' app ;-)

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Ace2016:

I'm using kubuntu 6.10 RC

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Juski:

mythtv-setup is for doing some setting up of stuff

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stuarta:

my last regexp -> "^\d{1,2}:00[ap]m to \d{1,2}:00[ap]m: "

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Eludias:

stuarta: Settings? Somewhere in mythtv-setup you mean?

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stuarta:

Eludias: it's a frontend configuration

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Eludias:

mythtv-setup is not for frontend settings?

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stuarta:

no, backend only

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Juski:

I killed too many braincells last night & now this is killing my will to live (this channel)

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Eludias:

Where do I find frontend config?

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Juski:

btw I didn't like the new Scorsese film. It's dross

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Ace2016:

I think i need to configure mysql

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aspic:

hello? :)

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** Juski throws the manual at Eludias. It lands, open at the page where it says to go into utils/setup > setup > general **

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aspic:

need help installing mythtv on my ubuntu :(

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stuarta:

Ace2016: i think you need to read through the manual a bit more

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Juski:

talk about impatient!

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mah_meh:

juski

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** Ace2016 cannot find the manual **

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mah_meh:

melloha

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Juski:

hey sorry for not leaping to your assistance aspic

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Juski:

mah_meh: aye?

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Eludias:

Juski: Manual? At the wiki you mean? (near http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/User_Manual:Setting_Up&n bsp;?)

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mah_meh:

melloha — aloha, its sunday, don't blame, just saying hi

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stuarta:

the one on www.mythtv.org

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mah_meh:

im hungover ")

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Ace2016:

Thanks

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stuarta:

mah_meh: have another beer then

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Juski:

Eludias: oh come on now. setting the language is prolly the least strenuous of all the setup stuff you can do

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mah_meh:

does anyone know how to easily rip out one of the audio streams from the .mpgs, aka what uk dvb-t likes to do on some channels ...

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stuarta:

yes.

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mah_meh:

playing those .mpg's on an xbox or whatever confuses the hell out if it, vlc works but i'd rather play them on the xbox

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** stuarta decides to be as helpful as everyone asking questions... **

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Juski:

mah_meh: funny, but I'm working on something similar at the moment

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Eludias:

No wonder mythtv has the reputation for difficult to set up... But I'll hold on... Thanks...

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stuarta:

mah_meh: use ffmpeg

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** Eludias goes reading more manuals... **

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mah_meh:

ro'kay, elaborate ")

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Juski:

Eludias: what the hell is that supposed to mean? you go into a frigging _menu_ and you change the setting. what could be more simple?

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mah_meh:

im lazy, wheres the windows gui showing two streams , with 'play' and 'remove' ;)

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stuarta:

ffmpeg -i inputfile.mpg outputfile.mp3

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stuarta:

mah_meh: go use projectx then!

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mah_meh:

haha,

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Ace2016:

error: 'Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: NO)'

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mah_meh:

how does ffmpeg know which stream to use ?

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Ace2016:

What do i do now?

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stuarta:

Ace2016: setup mysql

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Ace2016:

i'm trying

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Ace2016:

isn't that first part about setting up mysql

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Ace2016:

?

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stuarta:

mah_meh: if there's only one it will use that, otherwise you need to use the -map option

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Juski:

Eludias: sorry – it's not in the 'General' settings area. you want the APPEARANCE section

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Eludias:

Juski: if you completely new to a large project (which mythtv is), you need some (over explicit) pointers which seem _very_ obvious to the rest involved. But which is not the case for the one who just gets started with the project.

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Eludias:

I read a lot of 'howtos for debian', which involved compiling, apt-getting, configuring, ... but which do not cover these basics.

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mah_meh:

stuarta, there's two, otherwise i wouldn't need to do it in the first place, all i want to do is rip apart the mpeg, and put it back together, no transcoding bla bla

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Juski:

Eludias: the wiki covers a lot of stuff

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Juski:

and for anything lacking in there you need only blame the project users

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mah_meh:

but obviously with only one audio stream

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stuarta:

mah_meh: do you want it to keep the video?

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Eludias:

The language has been set to 'dutch', but those translations have a different length than the English ones, so half the text is off-screen.

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mah_meh:

stuart, yup

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Beakster:

hi, can anyone help me out by sending me a mythfrontend binary with debug enabled?

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Juski:

they can contribute anything they want, but tend not to bother

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mah_meh:

if i could contribute something reliable, i would Juski ")

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Eludias:

Juski: no, sorry, I'm not blaming anyone.

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Juski:

Eludias: heh. one of the problems of different languages.. long words

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Juski:

like "ghjgfsdhfgsdhfgsdhgfshdgfshdgj" meaning "the" in some countries

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Eludias:

Probably finish ;)

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Imaginativeone:

would someone teach me some basics?

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Juski:

I know all about speaking different languages. just shout louder

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Juski:

in English :-P

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Imaginativeone:

for example, my tv card bring tv in...

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stuarta:

mah_meh: use ffmpeg -i in.mpg -acodec copy -vcodec copy -map vid -map aud outfile.mpg

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Imaginativeone:

what sends the tv out?

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Juski:

Imaginativeone: your VGA card

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Imaginativeone:

thanks Juski

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Juski:

if it has a tv-out port

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Imaginativeone:

if it doesn't, I have to buy one that does?

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Juski:

there's no alternative other than to get a TV with a VGA or DVI input

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Imaginativeone:

so I'll have three cards: tv-in, vga, tv-out?

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Juski:

tv-out is usually on the vga card

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Juski:

I feel you have a lot of learning to do, Imaginativeone

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Imaginativeone:

if my vga card is "old", that won't work?

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Imaginativeone:

yeah, you're probably right about that...

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Juski:

if your VGA card doesn't have a composite or svideo socket on the back plate next to the VGA connector, you'll need to get one which _does_

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Imaginativeone:

in order to send that tv out?

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Juski:

yup

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Imaginativeone:

wow...I have to look at those svideo connectors...

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BULLE:

or, if you are a bit handy, and have the right card, you can consider vga -> scart-rgb

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Imaginativeone:

heh heh...I'm not the least bit handy

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BULLE:

ok, dont then

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Eludias:

Juski: Ok, the wiki refers to myth-setup, which is probably something different. Where do I find your 'menu' with 'APPEARANCE'? (Yeah, I know, I am missing something trivial...)

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mah_meh:

Stream #0.0[0x1781]: Video: mpeg2video, yuv420p, 720x576, 15000 kb/s, 25.00 fps(r)

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mah_meh:

Stream #0.1[0x1782](eng): Audio: mp2, 48000 Hz, stereo, 192 kb/s

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mah_meh:

Stream #0.2[0x1783](eng): Audio: mp2, 48000 Hz, mono, 64 kb/s

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mah_meh:

Stream #0.3[0x1786](eng): Subtitle: dvbsub

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stuarta:

mah_meh: pastebin.ca please....

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Juski:

Eludias: in the main menu. move down past watch tv, watch recordings etc until you see utilities/setup. go in there, then select & enter Setup. there you will see the menu to select Appearance

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mah_meh:

anyway i get a codec type mismatch

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Juski:

are we being tested today or something? someone assessing how friendly we are?

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Eludias:

Juski: The problem is I don't know about any 'menu' if mythtv-setup has nothing to do with it.

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Juski:

Eludias: the MAIN MYTHTV MENU IN MYTHFRONTEND

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Eludias:

I'm touching a nerve me think, sorry for that ;)

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Juski:

touching a nerve? you have no idea do you?

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** stuarta hands juski the valium **

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Ace2016:

if my card has the bt848 chipset and uses the bttv driver do i need to install the ivtv thing?

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Eludias:

Juski: That's what I am saying. I've go no idea! But entering 'mythfrontend'<ENTER> is doing something now... (first time)

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stuarta:

Ace2016: analogue or digital?

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Juski:

you know why mythtv has this bad reputation for support being agressive? us guys having to answer questions people could easily solve by looking around for themselves a little tiny bit. the manual is far from perfect but it's a great start!

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stuarta:

Eludias: now play around in "setting" for 5 minutes and don't ask another question till you have!

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stuarta:

settings even

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Eludias:

support being agressive? No, that's not the reputation. Reputation is 'mythtv difficult to setup, but works good when it is setup'

[11:53:47]

Juski:

you think mythtv is difficult? wait til you try & configure lirc my man

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Ace2016:

stuarta: Analogue i think

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stuarta:

think? work out what you have first, then you'll know what to setup.

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mah_meh:

man its not even monday... i can smell the tension

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** stuarta needs a beer **

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mah_meh:

all i know is juski has been golden to me, and you get what you pay for

[11:54:35]

** Eludias waits for the frontend to start... **

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Juski:

I have my faults. I'm short-tempered but working on it

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** mah_meh plays with ffmpeg **

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Ace2016:

stuarta: bt848akpf philips tuner: pal

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Juski:

can't go around yelling at folks when you're an advocate

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Juski:

Ace2016: analogue

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mah_meh:

lol sure you can Juski ")

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Juski:

select 'analog v4l' tuner card type in mythtv-setup

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Juski:

if anyone's good at making expert systems, PLEASE make one for mythtv

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Ace2016:

Juski: but it never showed anywhere for me to pick the card

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banyan:

I have a PVR350, and I'm not getting sound in playback from the card... I know this is a fairly simple thing that I have had to tweak now and again as kernels change...

[11:56:38]

Juski:

Ace2016: not even in 'capture card setup' in mythtv-setup?

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mah_meh:

stuart, okay ive read the ffmpeg man page a bit, i dont get how the map works , im guessing i need -vcodec copy, and -acodec copy .. but i just need to tell it to map to that one particular audio stream, Stream #0.1

[11:57:05]

Juski:

mah_meh: no, you can't. you have to be balanced & psycologically stable ;-)

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banyan:

anyone remember how to fix it so I get sound again? I think it's just a missing module I need to load.

[11:57:41]

Juski:

banyan: did you forget where the ivtv docs live?

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mah_meh:

juski, if you don't let it out somehow you'll snap ") hehe

[11:58:10]

Juski:

mah_meh: haha. sometimes I have dreams where I'm Michael Douglas in 'falling down'

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Ace2016:

Juski: I pick english, then database config 1/2, then 2/2 and then finish, thats all

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banyan:

There are docs?

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mah_meh:

well hey, i hope you are, his wife is pretty unugly ")

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Ace2016:

then it quits

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Eludias:

Hmm, no mouse cursor in mythfrontend... Makes configuration a little hard...

[11:58:52]

Juski:

Ace2016: something is very, very wrong then

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** Juski calmly tells Eludias that mythtv isn't _designed_ to be used with a mouse **

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Eludias:

Calmly? Watch your blood pressure then ;)

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Juski:

bit hard to work a mouse when you're sitting in your easy chair in front of the TV, no?

[12:00:12]

Ace2016:

Juski: I know thats why i'm here i need help

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Eludias:

What are the keybinding then? (for pulling down a pull-down box, for example)

[12:00:48]

Juski:

Eludias: no need to pull down a pull-down. just use the arrow keys

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Juski:

up & down to change fields, left & right to change parameters (and PgUp & PgDn)

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Eludias:

Ah, I see. Left/right is up/down in pull-down menu.

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Eludias:

Thx.

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Juski:

not hard to work that one out

[12:01:24]

Juski:

which is prolly why it's not documented

[12:01:52]

Juski:

maybe someone should...

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Eludias:

Ok, starting fontend for the third time. Esc is appearance menu restarts all. Restarting takes ~3 minutes, so hold on :)

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Juski:

btw stuarta was talking to GreyFoxx the other day.. maybe gui resizing is gonna look & feel much nicer soon :)

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** Juski crosses everything for that **

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mah_meh:

is there a windawz front end that actually works with 0.20

[12:04:14]

Juski:

oh you are fucking kidding me, ffmpeg. grepping the output for the line containing "audio" gives me the whole of the output. you bastards!

[12:04:20]

Juski:

mah_meh: no

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mah_meh:

tapeworm is ok, but ive been using mythweb/vlc for now

[12:04:29]

Juski:

there's 'tapeworm' which'll let you play recordings

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mah_meh:

yer, id recommend mythweb&vlc over tapeworm

[12:04:54]

mah_meh:

no biggie, just cant watch live-tv through either of those

[12:04:58]

Juski:

but no, nobody has yet taken up the challenge of writing a _proper_ frontend for winderz

[12:05:16]

Juski:

if I ever get time... maybe

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banyan:

ok, where's the doc at?

[12:05:38]

Juski:

how hard can it be? talk to the db, play a recording...

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mah_meh:

i think ffmpeg is behaving for me juski

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mah_meh:

nah thats easy, its the live-tv and channel changing stuff i was thinking

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Juski:

banyan: www.ivtvdriver.org for starters

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Juski:

mah_meh: not necessarily

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mah_meh:

mainly for watchint tv wirelessly

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stuarta:

mah_meh: -map 0:1 -map 0:2 etc etc...

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Juski:

the myth protocol is the hard bit

[12:06:34]

mah_meh:

someone said to me if you want to watch something live, just record it

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mah_meh:

tx stuart, so it'll just know that's audio and be done with it ?

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Ace2016:

FATAL: Error inserting tuner (/lib/modules/2.6.17-10-generic/kernel/drivers/media/video/tuner.ko): Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg)

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Juski:

and... XBMCmythtv works with 0.20 now, so a lot of the work has already been done

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Ace2016:

Does that mean the tuner is not working?

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stuarta:

mah_meh: try it and see....

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mah_meh:

yer i am, just taking a while on a 5.5gb recording

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Juski:

banyan: http://www.ivtvdriver.org/index.php/Documentation

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Ace2016:

is that why i have no channels in kdetv and tvtime?

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stuarta:

it'll tell you what it's doing already

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fish_:

re

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banyan:

thanks!

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mah_meh:

ahh firetruck

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awilkins:

stuarta: I don't suppose you could tell me which bit of the code works out what the vPID and aPID are?

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mah_meh:

you're right stuart, it's chosen the crappy audio track

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stuarta:

awilkins: see my previous changeset that changed the behaviour.

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stuarta:

btw. can you email me your log file from last night?

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mah_meh:

okay swooit

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Beakster:

hey, i need the LameMP3 encoding library installed to compile myth

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** stuarta is off out soon **

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Beakster:

i ran yum install lame and that worked, but it still complains

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stuarta:

lame-devel ????

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Juski:

Beakster: liblame-dev ?

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Juski:

ahh FC.. pleh

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Eludias:

Ok, language has been setup. Can I copy xawtv channel frequency settings in an easy way?

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Beakster:

getting lame-devel now

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Beakster:

thanks

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Beakster:

how do i tell myth to compile with debug?

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stuarta:

--compile-type=debug ???

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stuarta:

catch you all later....

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Beakster:

after ./configure ?

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Hoxzer:

juup

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banyan:

I am not seeing anything useful about 'no audio'.

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fish_:

btw: are full-featured dvb-s cards supported by mythtv at all?

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Juski:

http://www.google.co.uk/search?&q=pvr350+no+audio

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Juski:

fish_: nope

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fish_:

Juski: oh.. okay

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Juski:

blah blah blah yeah but VDR supports em..

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fish_:

Juski: know i see why i dont find no suggestions for full-featured dvb-s card for mythtv ;)

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jduggan:

so guys, im readin about alot of people running a backend on a seperate machine than the frontend, for performance, this mean that you gotta have two pc's near your tv etc?

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fish_:

Juski: uhm.. i think i should look at vdr.. you told me so much about it ;>

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Juski:

jduggan: nope.

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jduggan:

Juski: where is the video coming from then?

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jduggan:

usually cables feeding are by the tv

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jduggan:

ie, sky/cable/coax

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Juski:

I have an aerial feed from the attic, and my cable box svideo & stereo audio goes up a cat5 cable to my backend

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jduggan:

Juski: how do you pass svideo and stereo audio over cat5?

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jduggan:

this would be useful to me

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Juski:

jduggan: with a couple of circuits I made myself

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Juski:

no schematics online yet

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jduggan:

oh right

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jduggan:

are there any modulators u can buy to do this?

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Juski:

it's on my todo list, but that's getting very very long these days

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fish_:

Juski: do the full-featured dvb-s card dont work at all? or is it just the decoding which doesnt work?

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Juski:

jduggan: Maplin sell em that also pass remote signals.. as cheap as a crap video sender

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Juski:

fish_: mythtv won't put anything through the output

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fish_:

Juski: but i could still use it as a low-budget dvb-s card?

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jduggan:

Juski: what do you do on the backend as regards to re-caputuring the video && audio input via ethernet?

[12:29:27]

jduggan:

as in, how :)

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Juski:

jduggan: it's not ethernet

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Juski:

http://www.maplin.co.uk/Search.aspx?criteria=L11BJ&DOY=22m10

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Juski:

fish_: in theory – I dont see any problem so long as the drivers work

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Juski:

jduggan: my stuff (and the gear maplin sells) turns video & audio into balanced (differential) signals and back again.

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jduggan:

Juski: ah ic

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Juski:

if you just use a regular cable without converting it to balanced it looks shite

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Juski:

I looked into marketing my idea but those modules Maplin sell are cheaper than I could do it

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jduggan:

because of loss of quality over disance?

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jduggan:

distance*

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Juski:

no, mostly cos the cable isn't screened. and I got sound over vision when I tried it

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Juski:

crosstalk in cat5 cabling is baaad

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jduggan:

ic

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Juski:

if the signals aren't differential ;-)

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Juski:

I tested my ccts over 300m of cat5.. was good to over 6mhz still

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Juski:

i.e. looked & sounded like a 1 metre cable :-P

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jduggan:

ok, so here's my scenario, the capture feed will be from both an analogue aerial and a sky digi box in a seperate room to where i actually want to run the backend, the svideo from digi box goes into one of your 'circuits' that you've made?

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Juski:

my stuff also doesn't pass the remote signals, but my cable box accepts http to change channels

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Juski:

jduggan: basically yeah.. don't forget the audio

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Juski:

if you'd be happy with mono sound you could just use coax though

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jduggan:

ok, how do you switch it back to an svideo input at the other end?

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jduggan:

with another circuit?

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Juski:

yup

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jduggan:

hmm interesting

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Juski:

I send power down the line too

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jduggan:

why do you need power?

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Juski:

but – the maplin stuff http://www.maplin.co.uk/Module.aspx?ModuleNo= . . . mp;doy=22m10

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Juski:

it's active, is why

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Juski:

the maplin stuff for £79.99 will be 1000s of times better than any shitty wireless video sender too btw

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Juski:

and cat5 cable is mega cheap

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jduggan:

ok, but they look like scart adaptors at either end, how would i change them to SVIDEO male sockets?

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jduggan:

ok maybe not scart

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jduggan:

but certainly not svideo?

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Juski:

jduggan: just use adapters at either end

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jduggan:

Juski: out of interest, do you work in electronics, or study it somewhere?

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jduggan:

Juski: maplin sell the adaptors?

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Juski:

I work in electronics

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Juski:

yep

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jduggan:

ok

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Juski:

though don't ask the Sunday shop staff anything.. they're clueless usually

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jduggan:

i've always been interested in electronics, wouldnt mind doing a course

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Juski:

I did a B/tec at college. the rest of what I know is down to work & picking stuff up as I go along

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jduggan:

hmm, so this cat5 system has adaptors to send rca out of my digi box over the cat5 also?

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Juski:

it doesn't _have_ adaptors – you'd have to buy em

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jduggan:

ok

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jduggan:

but do they go over the same cable

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Juski:

yeah

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Juski:

there are 4 pairs in cat 5 cable

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Juski:

2 for audio, 2 for video

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Juski:

the remote signal gets superimposed over one pair

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Juski:

as does power

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timte:

so you say that wireless connection between mythtv client and backend works, but is not recommended, you should really have cable between client and backend?

[12:40:39]

Juski:

timte: everything I hear about wireless always suggests cabled is better

[12:41:09]

Juski:

it's worth the hassle of cabling, believe me

[12:41:12]

jduggan:

Juski: those milestone adapters, what kind of socket are they?

[12:41:24]

banyan:

ok, I give up. I tried a variety of things and I am still soundless.

[12:41:27]

jduggan:

doesnt show a clear enough picture

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Juski:

jduggan: rj45 socket so you plug a patch cable in the back

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jduggan:

yea what's in the front though

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Juski:

jduggan: they're built into SCART plugs

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Juski:

you could use a breakout box (i.e. a box with scart sockets on it) to bring the svideo & audio in & out

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jduggan:

so i need a female scart to rca converter to send over the audio, and likewise for svideo?

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Juski:

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jduggan:

s/converter/adaptor/

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timte:

what about audio, does it have the same problem?

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mah_meh:

banyan, does your sound work in like mplayer etc

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Juski:

buy direct from bluedelta & get exactly what you need

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Juski:

timte: wireless sucks, end of story – always, compared to cable

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banyan:

It does.

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timte:

ok ok :)

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mah_meh:

i play mpeg2 over wireless, with 802.11n things will only get better

[12:45:05]

Juski:

for surfing the net on your laptop while you wander round the house – fine.. not much else though

[12:45:06]

banyan:

Actually, now the sound works! Bizarre. I unloaded ivtv and reloaded it and now ka-ching.

[12:45:08]

banyan:

Od.

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Juski:

right back to my script bashing

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Juski:

I want this in /contrib by tomorrow :)

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banyan:

too veerd.

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mah_meh:

yeh yeh juski, why's it taking so long :P

[12:46:06]

banyan:

Oh — I did disable my sound server in X.

[12:47:16]

banyan:

But it takes 50% of my cpu to play back now! good grief.

[12:47:44]

Juski:

banyan: pvr350 support is dwindling, and no devs use pvr350 cards anymore

[12:47:49]

banyan:

That is not right.

[12:48:21]

Juski:

so enjoy mpeg2 decoder support in your pvr350 while you still can ;-)

[12:49:02]

banyan:

Has anyone seen video out quality comparable to the pvr350 from a video card?

[12:49:18]

fryfrog:

dvi -> hdmi?

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Juski:

I've seen my fx5200 looks comparable to my standalone panasonic DVD player

[12:49:30]

banyan:

I tried it once, found it to be nasty.

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banyan:

with an nvidia.

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Juski:

gf2 ?

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fryfrog:

svideo?

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banyan:

svideo.

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fryfrog:

did you try the flicker filter settings?

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Juski:

tv encoders on nvidia cards used to be a real mixed bag. they're pretty much shit-hot now though

[12:50:25]

banyan:

I tried various things but this was a long time ago (a few years).

[12:51:01]

Juski:

look in today's channel log to see my tirade about why nobody should opt for the pvr350 these days ;)

[12:51:17]

banyan:

I mean, if I end up running off the end of the support with the card I've got, I'll have to do something else.

[12:51:24]

jduggan:

Juski: is the pvr150 still a well supported card?

[12:51:31]

Juski:

yeah course it is

[12:51:46]

timte:

Any examples of really simple mythtv clients with just a display, remote controller capability and sending video to tv and sound to amplifier?

[12:51:47]

Juski:

it's just pvr350 mpeg decoding that's going into atrophy

[12:51:48]

banyan:

why would the 350 not be?

[12:52:08]

Juski:

timte: yeah mine

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Juski:

banyan: none of the mythtv devs use pvr350s anymore

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timte:

Juski: what's yours then?

[12:52:38]

Juski:

if it gets broke.. nobody has the inclination to fix it

[12:52:42]

banyan:

why not?

[12:52:45]

mah_meh:

timte .. xbmc ")

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Juski:

timte: epia m-10000

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Juski:

and homebrewed IR receiver

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** timte googles for epia **

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Juski:

svideo out & spdif into my amp :)

[12:53:13]

Juski:

no good for HDTV though

[12:53:42]

Juski:

banyan: if you were a developer, and you had no need to keep supporting something you don't personally use, would you?

[12:54:13]

Juski:

besides, all the advantages the pvr350 used to have, have gone by the wayside now

[12:55:01]

banyan:

I guess it depends on whether I was just hacking about for my own use, or if I intended to contribute to something generally useful.

[12:55:08]

timte:

what is needed from the client to support HDTV?

[12:55:16]

Juski:

timte: fast CPU

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timte:

that's not something the backend can do?

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banyan:

Has Hauppauge cranked out an hd encoder yet?

[12:56:07]

Imaginativeone:

nope

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jduggan:

Juski: a 2ghz p4 with 512mb ram and a pvr150 card, would that suffice as a machine running both a backend and frontend?

[12:56:37]

jduggan:

or would the frontend lag

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fryfrog:

jduggan: i think that'd be close

[12:56:55]

fryfrog:

oh, wait for HD or?

[12:57:06]

jduggan:

no, not for hd

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fryfrog:

oh, for SD a 1ghz would be fine

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fryfrog:

prolly a 500mhz too

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fryfrog:

might want a gf4 or gf5200 video card

[12:58:16]

jduggan:

well my frontend was lagging slightly on this machine with just 256mb ram and an analogue tv card.. but im hoping with a new pvr150 and more ram it wont be so laggy

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banyan:

There's a USB stick from hauppauge for HD.

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fryfrog:

by "analog" you mean non-mpeg2?

[12:58:52]

banyan:

Sounds dodgy tho...

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timte:

mah_meh: you mean xbox media center?

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jduggan:

fryfrog: yea, it was an old wintv-pci with no mpeg2 encoder

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mah_meh:

timte, yup

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mah_meh:

xbmc is awesome

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fryfrog:

i'd have still thought it'd be okay on that :/

[13:00:02]

mah_meh:

theres a myth script for it

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timte:

mah_meh: then I'd need an xbox I guess

[13:00:20]

jduggan:

fryfrog: yea maybe but no longer having to to software encoding should help cpu, and possible prevent lagging now?

[13:00:21]

mah_meh:

ebay /

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banyan:

I have an old xbox but I never did get it converted over to be a frontend.

[13:00:32]

timte:

yeah, they should be cheap

[13:00:35]

mah_meh:

obviously the xbox ias just a front end

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mah_meh:

but its slick and pretty much plays all media

[13:00:58]

fryfrog:

jduggan: sounds like an accurate prediction :)

[13:01:07]

mah_meh:

hd aside, although some people get it to do 720p

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mah_meh:

having a decent video [game console what else] helps

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timte:

mah_meh: plays all media you say, isn

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timte:

mah_meh: plays all media you say, isn't that the backend's job?

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mah_meh:

the backend records/stroes

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mah_meh:

stores*, so you just use the xbox network car

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mah_meh:

card*, and it'll stream stuff

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mah_meh:

i couldnt tell you in half an hour all the stuff it does

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mah_meh:

http://xbmc.sourceforge.net

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mah_meh:

im out anyway, bbl

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banyan:

I wonder if my 6600 has a tv-out.

[13:10:34]

banyan:

It's newer so it probably is better quality than my old one.

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data_art:

how do I find a Hauppauge PVR-350 at a local store?

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Eludias:

data_art: Look for a box like http://www.amazon.com/Hauppauge-WinTV-PVR-350 . . . /B00008OOWC, or ask at counter.

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Beakster:

Can anyone help me track down the cause of a Segmentation fault starting mythfrontend?

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data_art:

thanks Eludias!

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jduggan:

just out of interest, the sblive 5.1 cards which have spdif, is that spdif in or spdif out?

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data_art:

do I have to get an expensive video card?

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gardengnome:

re

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data_art:

for tv out?

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gardengnome:

humm. is chris' website www.forevermore.net down?

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data_art:

or...is there an affordable one?

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GreyFoxx:

howdo you define affordable ?

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gardengnome:

data_art: for regular tv-out via s-video or composite, you could look at a geforce 4 mx or a fx 5200

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GreyFoxx:

data_art: The 350 is a waste of money, ESPECIALLY if you are getting a video card with TVout

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GreyFoxx:

a 150 is much better pricewise

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gardengnome:

yep

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data_art:

thanks Greyfoxx

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gardengnome:

anyone got a copy of nuvexport for me? :)

[13:37:57]

data_art:

would you recommend a video card for tv out?

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GreyFoxx:

data_art: nvidiais the wayto go

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GreyFoxx:

any GF4 MX440 and up

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data_art:

would this be okay?

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data_art:

http://www.compusa.com/products/product_info. . . . E_Video_Card

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Zider:

gf2 works OK'ish too ;)

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data_art:

hmm...

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data_art:

what about this?

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data_art:

http://www.compusa.com/products/product_info. . . . 0_Video_Card

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Zider:

I believe FX5200 is among the most recommended

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data_art:

fantastic! Even though it's so affordable?

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GreyFoxx:

yes

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Zider:

I guess that's exactly why ;)

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data_art:

if so, I'll get a 150 and this FX5200! yippie!!! thanks!

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GreyFoxx:

the TVout on those is generally REALLY good, the price is good, and the nvidia driversfor the mostpart are good

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gardengnome:

60 bucks? that's a lot, imho

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data_art:

this is so cool

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data_art:

would you guys comment on my system?

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GreyFoxx:

I can get those for 60CDNlocally

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GreyFoxx:

actually no, for $42CDN

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GreyFoxx:

you might be able to get a better deal on that card

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gardengnome:

i could order a fx5200 for as low as 27¤ in germany. not sure if that card would be good, though ;)

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data_art:

Intel, 2.13GHz, 2GBRAM, 3x200GBHDs, Fedora Core 5

[13:43:39]

data_art:

just need the PVR-150 & FX5200

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data_art:

which I'll get today

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data_art:

do I need anything else?

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data_art:

hardware, that is...

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Zider:

"intel 2,13GHz" doesn't say much ;)

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GreyFoxx:

That's probably more ram that you need if this is a box just for myth

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data_art:

Zider: lol...how can be more descriptive?

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gardengnome:

data_art: celeron? p4?

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Zider:

data_art: is it a P4, Celeron or core/core2?

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data_art:

Greyfoxx: nah, it's for "everything"

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data_art:

Samba file server, Oracle DB (for learning)...

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data_art:

Zider: ah! I think it's a Celeron, but it might be P4

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GreyFoxx:

data_art: My master backend is my fileserver, mythbackend (3 tuners), webserver, dhcp server, all in 512M :)

[13:46:11]

data_art:

actually I should find that out

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data_art:

GreyFoxx: NOW yer talkin'

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data_art:

:-)

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data_art:

that reminds me, I have to ask Comcast to set me up for TV in the basement

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data_art:

the cable internet is down there, but not cable tv

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Zider:

speaking of which, is there anyway to tune mysql so it doesn't use so much memory?

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data_art:

that reminds me, does my frontend need the same hardware?

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data_art:

I plan to work on that next

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Zider:

this was just a backend?

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Zider:

then you have no need for a FX5200 :P

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data_art:

aaaaahhhh...

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data_art:

the light bulb over my head is getting brighter

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data_art:

how do I connect the front to the backend over wifi?

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Zider:

just like any other network

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Zider:

but wifi is not recommended

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gardengnome:

data_art: same as over wired lan. make sure you've got enough bandwidth. 802.11g/a should work

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gardengnome:

it'll also depend on your bitrate settings

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data_art:

rats...I have B

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data_art:

thanks gardengnome

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gardengnome:

B *could* work, but.. you'll have to find out, and it might involve losing hair and crying

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data_art:

LOLOL

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Zider:

use bluetooth ;)

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gardengnome:

i think you can get like 4–6mbit/s over a 802.11b connection. i think my bitrate settings are at 7mbit/s so it won't work for me

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gardengnome:

Zider: even slower :)

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Zider:

:)

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Zider:

gardengnome: sssch

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Zider:

;)

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gardengnome:

heh

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Zider:

I wanna see him loose hair

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data_art:

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhh

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Zider:

:)

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data_art:

I set the bitrates during MythTV setup

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Neeesat25:

Hello

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data_art:

hey Neesat

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Neeesat25:

Can someone help: 2006-10–22 16:58:17.596 DVBRec(0) Error: Failed to set demux filter.

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Neeesat25:

eno: Device or resource busy (16)

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Zider:

emo? ;)

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BULLE:

Neeesat25: lsof ?

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Neeesat25:

lsof?

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BULLE:

LiSt Open Files

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Neeesat25:

Thats from mythbackend

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Neeesat25:

What is demux filter?

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data_art:

are there any CHEAP miniATX cases?

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phyber:

is there a way to stream live TV over the network? like, pick a channel in MythWeb and press "stream now" or something. (I know that's not there (or i can't find it), but some functionality like that)

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Honk^away:

install mythfrontend on the client :P

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fryfrog:

phyber: no, asside from... yeah, that

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fryfrog:

though i spose you could setup a one time recording, then stream that

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fryfrog:

or use samba

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ivor:

kicks the writer of wine-doors over and over and over.

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mjelva:

any of you have experience setting up myth on ubuntu?

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data_art:

not me...

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data_art:

I'm finally getting all my hardware together

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** ivor starts to calm down slightly. **

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ivor:

so... if you "sudo" the uninstall of wine-doors rather than "su -" it will recursively remove "/usr"

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scopeuk:

mjelva the how to is very good

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Juski:

bah only 6 hits on my site today

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Juski:

projectgrayhem 2.0 is out :)

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scopeuk:

Juski there isent rearly much onthere

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scopeuk:

get somone to stick it on wiki or something

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Juski:

yeh what can I say? I got bored with the s100

[15:02:50]

scopeuk:

id say put it in the topic but you know

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scopeuk:

7 hits juski ;-)

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Juski:

the fewer people use it, the less emails I'll get begging for stuff anyway :-P

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ivor:

12 hits. :P

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scopeuk:

lol

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** scopeuk sets opera to auto refresh **

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scopeuk:

j/k

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Juski:

my stats get unique hits anyway

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scopeuk:

or should i go for a wget -m

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Juski:

time to go back to watching 'The Sentinel'

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scopeuk:

my cmd grows more xterm each day its great

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scopeuk:

Juski k

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Honk^away:

gah

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Honk^away:

are there any known bugs that cause mythmusic to segfault once in a while?

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Juski:

grrr. am I ever gonna see a film where I don't want to get my bloody money back?!

[16:04:23]

D-side:

oh. "The Sentinel" right?

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Juski:

yup. much ado about bugger all

[16:04:54]

D-side:

yep. formulaic bullshit.

[16:05:02]

D-side:

saw the ending coming a mile away

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Juski:

once, just _once_ let the hero get killed ffs

[16:05:41]

Juski:

and el presindente :)

[16:05:55]

scopeuk:

Juski lol

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D-side:

that wont ever happen in the US

[16:05:58]

D-side:

the latter i mean

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scopeuk:

guessed so

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scopeuk:

unliek the the first either then heaven forbid peopel may cry about it

[16:06:33]

scopeuk:

blody soft hero loving ibaciles

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scopeuk:

Juski ever seen v for vendeta?

[16:06:49]

Juski:

nope

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scopeuk:

ithought that was pretty good

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Juski:

saw the trailers. looked a bit wank

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** scopeuk notes that most movies over a year old are 2 quid at th local dvd shop **

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scopeuk:

yes thats right jsuki i buy dvds

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Juski:

haha

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Juski:

I actually own some DVDs... less than ten but more than 5

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scopeuk:

in my room atm there is 1

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scopeuk:

the rest are rips from home i brought with me

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scopeuk:

techinically illegal but i dont think immoral

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Juski:

I bought 2 or 3 of them myself

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Juski:

and those are the 'the work of...' discs

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scopeuk:

kk

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Juski:

which btw, if you like cool music videos, you look into

[16:08:58]

D-side:

Juski: v for vendetta isn't weak at all actually.

[16:09:02]

Juski:

I recommend you look into em.. esp. the Spike Jonez one

[16:09:06]

scopeuk:

kk

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D-side:

but, theres no accounting for taste

[16:09:15]

scopeuk:

yeh

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Juski:

sometimes I wish I was a fucking prole

[16:09:33]

scopeuk:

have to say i saw an ammerican review of it where they couldent get past who the main charicter was to understand the plot

[16:09:44]

scopeuk:

prole?

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Juski:

one of the proletariat.. a mindless member of the masses :)

[16:10:03]

scopeuk:

fair enough

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scopeuk:

Juski whould have some advantages

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Juski:

not that I'm some raging intellectual or anything but ...

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scopeuk:

althgouh i quite enjoy havign that bit extra knolage in conversatiosn sometimes

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scopeuk:

great fun watching one of the senior techs face drop as you tell them stuff they dont know about there own gear

[16:10:56]

** scopeuk cofs to being an enginerign student **

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scopeuk:

or should that be "student"

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Juski:

the less you understand the world & what goes on around you, the less you're sickened by it ;-)

[16:11:19]

scopeuk:

yeh

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scopeuk:

also the less you understand it the more you feel like you know it

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Juski:

haha true

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scopeuk:

the entire understanding we hold of everything is imposed by modles we generate to draw approximations

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scopeuk:

once you understand this you realise that as a civilisation we acttualyy know nothing

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Juski:

eep.. that's very philosophical for a Sunday afternoon

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scopeuk:

there no wonder i have few fiends rearly

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scopeuk:

oh well i've managed thus far

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Juski:

me & my best mate never discuss politics/world affairs... I dunno why but the subject always gets dropped ASAP

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scopeuk:

already have a larger group of friends at uni than iever ammassed goign through school

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Juski:

scopeuk: more like minds :-)

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scopeuk:

yeh

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scopeuk:

well i did take an enginerign dgree you kinda split away fro mthe populace at that point

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Juski:

hmmm I need to overhaul my ARG extraction doo-diddle

[16:14:18]

Juski:

I was on the first year of a B.Eng (hons) – does that count?

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scopeuk:

yes

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Sinistrad:

Anyone had luck getting the ivtvdev X driver to work for xorg 7.1.1?

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Juski:

failed the hard sums bit

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scopeuk:

im first year of an M.Eng(hons)

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Juski:

I coulda re-sat the exams but Teesside Poly was a shit-hole

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scopeuk:

Juski were beign taught that by a guy wit ha james bond villen russian accent

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scopeuk:

as the hsot name gives away im at sheffield uni

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Juski:

some of my other dropout mates went there :)

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gardengnome:

re

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scopeuk:

ive actually racked up more hours talkign to aswedish guy over the lan gaming socs irc channel

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scopeuk:

were up to no good as always

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Juski:

now.. variable-length ARG strings.. I remember reading about them somewhere...

[16:16:43]

Juski:

scopeuk: I think some people in here need to get aaht more ;-)

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Juski:

I know #reallife is overrated but it's necessary

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scopeuk:

yes i do but you know

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scopeuk:

well loved it friday night teched the unions big venue there 13 hours past in a flash great team

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scopeuk:

then felt very board on saturday

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scopeuk:

then again i ddi sleap 6 – 2 so guess its expected

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** Juski dives back into Larry Wall's book again **

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** scopeuk hates it when he needs to get his washing from the laundry whilst its pissing it down **

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Juski:

yeesh.. so many different ways I could do this arg thing

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scopeuk:

you orta try striping strigns usign regex and sed

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scopeuk:

so many diffferent ways to solve the same problem

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Juski:

yup

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Juski:

Getopt too

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cyberkn1:

Can someone help me fix this error message? I am running ver 0.20 on an Ubuntu machine. THe error: NVP: Couldn't find a matching decoder for: /var/lib/mythtv/1012_20061022122102.mpg

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vballrican:

did you install mplayer or a player capable of playing mpg files?

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cyberkn1:

vballrican: Yes, mplayer was installed a long time ago on my machine. I used it to verify that my tv card is working.

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Honk^away:

gah. this is annoying

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cyberkn1:

hrm

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noname21:

hey all i need some help and was woundering if any one has run into this before i am using debian/knopp and i upgraded the system and myth but i cant launch mythtv-setup now or frontend ect and it fails because it says that it is unable to resolve xmu symbols i have libxmu6 and libxmuu1 installed any ideas

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cyberkn1:

any other ideas?

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JoeyJoeJo:

I've just don't a fresh install of .20, and all my recordings show up as 3 hours instead of 30 minutes

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JoeyJoeJo:

it doesn't affect the viewing or anything, but when I'm seeking it gives the wrong time

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Juski:

wahey! I have a new arg parser!

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capt-rogers:

135 minutes writes a 5GB movie...it is too large to fit on a DVD...how can i reduce the picture quality so 180–200 minutes fits on a DVD.

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Juski:

capt-rogers: mytharchive should do that if you allow it

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Juski:

I think I now have a fully working dvb radio export script again

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Juski:

course it'll shit itself if you give it a duff stream, but hey

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Juski:

that's ffmpeg for yer

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timte:

can mythtv backend send raw video/audio to the client so the client doesn't have to do any decoding?

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Juski:

timte: nope

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JoeyJoeJo:

I've just did a fresh install of .20, and all my recordings show up as 3 hours instead of 30 minutes

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Juski:

the kind of network bandwidth that'd need would be phenominal anyway

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timte:

i guess

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Juski:

no guessing about it

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timte:

what about gigabit wires?

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gardengnome:

timte: it could via via x11/freenx/whatever and some audio deamon – maybe artsd or esd

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Zider:

I hear they recently broke the old speed record for fiber network.. somewhere around 8Tbit..

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Juski:

720 x 576 x colour bits x framerate ... woof

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timte:

that should do it for even hdtv :)

[17:44:42]

Juski:

anyway timte you can't do it with mythtv so it's a purely academic q. anyway

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mah_meh:

it'd be crazy anyway

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EnterUserName:

hi all

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timte:

nah, not crazy, it would allow for even a more simple/minimal client/frontend

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mah_meh:

if it's dvb then you're getting it digital 'as-is' anyway

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EnterUserName:

is anyone using XVMC here? with suse 10.1?

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EnterUserName:

i'm looking for a how to :)

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Zider:

3,6 Gbit for hdtv.. if my calcs are correct..

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Juski:

woo my script worky!

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EnterUserName:

darnit

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EnterUserName:

stupid dts :)

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Juski:

now to tidy it up some

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Juski:

timte: feel free to fork mythtv & do that lame stuff if you want though ;-)

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timte:

Juski: I'll just make a branch ;)

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Zider:

Juski: it's not lame just because you don't like it ;P

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gardengnome:

it's indeed nifty

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Juski:

Zider: it's a daft idea

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Juski:

impractical

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Zider:

Juski: for you maybe :)

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gardengnome:

and imho it can be done with existing software :)

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Juski:

hey while you're at it why not do some distributed decoding aswell?

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mah_meh:

i think the comprimise would be forcing to a set codec

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EnterUserName:

darn i cant get dts passthrough to work with 0.20..

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Zider:

hmm, 4 boxes each rendering 1/4 of a HDTV image..

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Zider:

cool idea

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gardengnome:

Zider: yep. each one with a SDTV.

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mah_meh:

better idea, having the digital hdtv source

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Pryon:

synchronization would be...interesting.

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Zider:

Pryon: screw sync.. ;)

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mah_meh:

if only right ")

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Zider:

gardengnome: yeah, and each with stereo audio, together making 7.1 ;D

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gardengnome:

Zider: oh so cool

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timte:

does anyone have a mythtv frontend on his/her cell phone?

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JoeyJoeJo:

timte: you mean you do have one on your phone?

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Zider:

heey, there's an idea.. mythtv frontend for PSP.. it has wlan and everything.. ;)

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minthome:

anyone using the pcHDTV-5500?

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timte:

JoeyJoeJo: nopes

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EnterUserName:

hi all im getting a can not find libdts-pic error

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gardengnome:

Zider: jochen kühner is working on it, i think ;)

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EnterUserName:

with mythtv from svn

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Zider:

gardengnome: cool :D

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EnterUserName:

its definetely there :)

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JoeyJoeJo:

I would love to see the psp frontend

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gardengnome:

Zider: not sure if there'll be any outcome

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Zider:

too bad gp2x don't have wlan.. would be easier port I think..

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scopeuk:

hmm you can add it

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scopeuk:

usb host via the ext port

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scopeuk:

then usb stick

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JoeyJoeJo:

Right now I use a user job that calls ffmpeg and encodes to psp's format

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Zider:

scopeuk: usb host support isn't added iirc

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Zider:

..yet..

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scopeuk:

its been done

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mah_meh:

i access mythweb from my phone, like once every 28 blue moons

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Zider:

scopeuk: really?

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scopeuk:

ive seen one with keyboard wlan and mouse all via usb

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scopeuk:

yes

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Zider:

ah

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Zider:

still, I think SD wlan card would be smoother ;)

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scopeuk:

http://wiki.gp2x.org/wiki/Main_Page

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scopeuk:

yeh

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EnterUserName:

Hi all

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EnterUserName:

can anyone help me im getting this error cannot find -ldts_pic

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EnterUserName:

hrm

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EnterUserName:

its saying its an incompatible libdts_pc.a

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EnterUserName:

probably because its not 64 bit brb

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gardengnome:

EnterUserName: i think debian has the same issue, but they use a patch... search the mailing lists *shrug*

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EnterUserName:

oh im using suse

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EnterUserName:

im gunna try compilign it from source... i'll also see if ican find a patch

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EnterUserName:

there we go compiling libdts from source fixed it :)

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minthome:

wtf? talk about off topic http://www.pchdtv.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1848

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scopeuk:

minthome your in the wrong palce to windge about off topic ;-)

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Juski:

anyway if we're talking about features in mythtv, let's see software encoder support dropped

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Juski:

that'd be popular

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** scopeuk shakes fist i nanger **

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scopeuk:

then realises his box isent rearly up to scratch any way

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minthome:

scopeuk, touche

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Juski:

it's prolly gonna happen eventually

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scopeuk:

as is the next ice age

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Juski:

yup

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minthome:

is there a trick to getting a card to scan analog channels? I'm only picking up the HD channels, and once i picked up channel 3 (somehow).

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minthome:

if i start up tvtime all the analog channels come in fine

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Juski:

the trick is not having to scan at all. you either know the channel freqs or your EPG data source (like zap2it) tells you

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minthome:

ok, well zap2it works fine.

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minthome:

so i should just skip scanning all together?

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Juski:

AFAIK you'll get all the freq. info automagically

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minthome:

and when i select (watch tv) the zap2it data will be there?

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minthome:

hum

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minthome:

ok... lemme give it a shot.

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Juski:

not until you run mythfilldatabase I imagine

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minthome:

right

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minthome:

does mythfilldatabase overwrite the previous db?

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Juski:

programme guide data (if found) and channel info, yeah

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Juski:

oh hell. what am I gonna do now? my icon script is done, my dvb radio exporter is done, my 2.0 themes are unleashed...

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D-side:

er

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D-side:

sit back and relax.

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D-side:

"if it ain't broke, don't fix it"

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Juski:

and to cap it all, all the prep work for the expo is done too

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Juski:

dammit

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scopeuk:

Juski you worse than me

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scopeuk:

un liek methough you dont have the erpetual fallback project

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gardengnome:

Juski: clean my room and make me some real dinner ;)

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scopeuk:

can i make that 2

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scopeuk:

;-)

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D-side:

so, anyone else think my idea of using a 3800+ X2 as a backend is... silly? :)

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scopeuk:

no

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mah_meh:

when i get a core2 d-side i'll be using it for vmware and a myth backend

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scopeuk:

an fx60 as a backend is silly

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scopeuk:

or an 8 way opteron server

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scopeuk:

much as i whould try it if i had access to the hardware

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D-side:

i'm trying to decide if i want to do xen.

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mah_meh:

id do vmware server, but thats just me

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D-side:

or just vmware server. probably tht instead of xen

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D-side:

indeed.

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gardengnome:

D-side: i can't wait to try xen, i hope it'll work well with vanderpool

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D-side:

only becaues i dont NEED 10 vms.

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Juski:

there's always my auto-confabulator-thingy that needs some work

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D-side:

gardengnome: provided the proc has vt-i or pacifica support it'll work great.

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gardengnome:

D-side: yay. great way to waste my autumn break.

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D-side:

gardengnome: i used it in version 2.07, and it was pretty good

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D-side:

i actually had mythtv running as a domU

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D-side:

hit a couple snags though and moved away from it.

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D-side:

hrm. the end of october is upon us. i wonder when edgy is going to be released

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Zider:

domU?

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mah_meh:

vmware is good for me because i can move a machine from work -> laptop -> home

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D-side:

Zider: xen parlance. it means a virtual machine.

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Zider:

oh

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D-side:

dom0 is the host machine

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mah_meh:

or rh, windaws and ubuntu

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D-side:

vmware server certainly has its benefits.

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** scopeuk needs another monitor **

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D-side:

but xen can allow for more functions, things vmware wont do unless you've got esx

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D-side:

i just dont need those features either. :)

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Juski:

yeah if you like my themes, send me a 20" TFT please

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scopeuk:

lol

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scopeuk:

i was doign well till i wanted to talk to 5 people by im and use my browser

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Juski:

just two will do for now

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D-side:

Juski: oh. right. i can try those now.

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scopeuk:

4 + irc/browser is fine

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scopeuk:

beyond that im outa display

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Juski:

bear in mind that any problems you might find won't get fixed. ever

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Juski:

I mean til after the expo

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Zider:

scopeuk: use tabs. ;)

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Zider:

scopeuk: or virtual desktops ;)

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scopeuk:

zider the convos i need to watch for frehs input

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scopeuk:

min/maxing is so last year

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scopeuk:

and tabed im drives me up the wall

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scopeuk:

mgiht jsut invest in a new tft and gfx combo

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Juski:

oh fack. I should have bought some blank CDs today

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Zider:

tssss.. :)

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Juski:

haha. so much for my organisational skills

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scopeuk:

oh wel you ahve time right?

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Juski:

nope

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kenguru:

where package comes tv_grab scripts?

[18:24:11]

Juski:

kenguru: xmltv

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kenguru:

okay.

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kenguru:

thanks.

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Juski:

free CDs suck. well, having to burn em does

[18:25:13]

scopeuk:

yeh

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scopeuk:

dident you use the duplicator at work last time?

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Juski:

yeh no chance of that since we moved

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scopeuk:

damn

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scopeuk:

think firebox sell em

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scopeuk:

duplicators that is

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mah_meh:

does anyone know anything about the DTT trials ?

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Juski:

there should be an OSS CD burning facility

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scopeuk:

and i mean fll autos not burn 8 then make you change em

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Juski:

mah_meh: where?

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mah_meh:

in london

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Juski:

mah_meh: they've gone to 720p from 1080i now

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scopeuk:

http://www.satexpo.it/en/news/index.php?c=56913

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mah_meh:

juski, i know nothing about them, i just read about it

[18:27:05]

Juski:

and folks are still having bother decoding em with dual core 3Ghz CPUs

[18:27:16]

Juski:

that h.264 is tricky at hd resolutions

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mah_meh:

what do u need to receive them

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Juski:

a dvb-t card

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scopeuk:

mah_meh a london address

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D-side:

Juski: whoa.

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mah_meh:

thats me ")

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scopeuk:

and a ship laod of disc space and proc time

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mah_meh:

is it just another stream then or something ?

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Juski:

it's h.264

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scopeuk:

diferent video encoding

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mah_meh:

maybe my 7600 does h.264

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scopeuk:

Juski could always decode it sub realtime and convert to mpe/xvid

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Juski:

and it's just a _trial_ so it's no indication of what the final format will take

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Juski:

mah_meh: not in Linux it doesn't

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scopeuk:

mah_meh belvieit does btu nto sure if its in the linux drivers

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mah_meh:

i dont care, just killing some time really

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mah_meh:

nova-t usb2 drivers are so dodgy

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mah_meh:

i'm onto my third nova-t now, which finally appears to be behaving itself

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mah_meh:

hate to say it, but the windaws drivers for the other two work fine

[18:29:49]

Juski:

I live in Beirut, so no hdtv for me for ages

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scopeuk:

windows drivers for proprietory ahrdware are alwasy gonan be leagues ahead

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Juski:

whoops.. _sounds_ like Beirut tonight

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mah_meh:

okay so what do i need to slurp off a h.264 stream, or find them even

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minthome:

well, that didn't really work

[18:30:55]

minthome:

it picked up channel 3, and that was all

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Juski:

mah_meh: see the massive threads on digitalspy.co.uk forums for details

[18:30:58]

mah_meh:

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/article/ds33946.html

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mah_meh:

says closed but crystal palace is my transmitter

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scopeuk:

least arquiva are handeling it which means /me is pretty damn close to the second most powerfull mast in the country

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Juski:

the trial is closed – meaning you can no longer apply to have a box to play with

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** scopeuk keeps mouth shut **

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scopeuk:

will probably be done with some spicy encryption

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mah_meh:

i just thought maybe it wouldnt be encrypted for maybe like bbc or something

[18:33:22]

mah_meh:

and maybeh you could save a stream somehow

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Juski:

there's no encripplement on there

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scopeuk:

is there not?

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scopeuk:

i fifugered they whould be to help keep the trial closed

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Juski:

nope

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Juski:

you can't buy equipment that lets you view it without a PC

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scopeuk:

ok so you could jsut usup the sig into a bo dumpthe stream (Assuming there on stock freqs)

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scopeuk:

but wit ha pc

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Juski:

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=348897

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timte:

How come you need two tv-tuners to watch one channel and record another? Why can't two channels be decoded at the same time when you have one tv-tuner?

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Juski:

timte: just because, ait ?

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scopeuk:

becouse the tuner has to goto the right frequency

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Juski:

the long, technical answer is one I dont want to type out

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** scopeuk thinks he should probably nto bother either **

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** scopeuk goes back to ee104 tutorial sheets **

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Juski:

timte: you _could_ share a tuner between channels, in theory but you'd never get full framerate, realtime recording

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timte:

The transport stream from the tuner, doesn't it contain all channels?

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Juski:

oh yeah THAT is possible, in theory. VDR does it

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Juski:

and folks have been trying to figure out how to bring it to mythtv for a while now

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scopeuk:

and its not all butrarther all on that mux

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Juski:

it's gonna happen, but not before mythtv undergoes some pretty major changes

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scopeuk:

translation dont hold your breath

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timte:

:)

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Juski:

http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/ . . . 0mux;#168770

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timte:

it seems no htpc or other box can record one channel and show another when having just one tuner

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scopeuk:

timte thought vdr could

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scopeuk:

?

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timte:

I haven't been able to figure out why.

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scopeuk:

might be wrong

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Juski:

and here : http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/ . . . nder;#226026

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scopeuk:

timte becouse its a btich to impliment

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Juski:

VDR is a hackish bunch of scripts AFAIK.

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timte:

that's a good reason

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timte:

what's vdr?

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scopeuk:

vide disc recorder

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scopeuk:

its another pvr project

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Juski:

http://www.google.co.uk/search?client=firefox . . . oogle+Search

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Flimzy:

I was out of town for a week, meanwhile / filled up with bogus log files, and now when I start mythfrontend, I get errors stating 'Told to create a NEW database schema, but the database already has 47 tables. Database Schema upgrade FAILED.' and mythfrontend exits. Is there a way to repair this?

[18:42:09]

Juski:

a pvr project that doesn't have client/server functionality

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** scopeuk wodners if he can add /g as a switch in his client hsouldent be hard **

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Flimzy:

Juski: sounds pretty crappy

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Juski:

Flimzy: it's just different to mythtv, that's all

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scopeuk:

not all of use use the client/server stuff atm

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Flimzy:

Juski: without client/server functionality, the main advantages to MythTV are lost

[18:43:13]

Juski:

true

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Juski:

a fact not lost on the creators of MediaPortal

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Juski:

which now requires MS SQL server... hahaha

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scopeuk:

ouch

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Flimzy:

hehe

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scopeuk:

mysql hack released in 5 .. 4.. 3..

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Juski:

and folks think mythtv needing mysql is too much..

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Flimzy:

scopeuk: I bet most people do use the client/server functionality, even on a single machine, whether they realize it or not.

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scopeuk:

Flimzy what i mean is that usign a single node network functionallity issent needed

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speedsix:

Hi all

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scopeuk:

althoguh becouse of how myth functions it does

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Juski:

btw Flimzy you should run mysqlcheck on your db, or pray you have a backup

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Flimzy:

scopeuk: even on a single node, the client/server model adds a lot of functionality. Some of those features may be possible to duplicate w/o a client/server model, but it would be harder.

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Juski:

when / filled up on my machine it royally screwed the db

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Juski:

anyway.. time to settle down in front of my mythtv :)

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scopeuk:

Flimzy what i mena is that for single nde you could go to a single combined frontend/backend app at which point network becouse mute

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Flimzy:

scopeuk: For instance, the ability to exit the frontend while still recording something with the backend

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scopeuk:

yep

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scopeuk:

not something i do

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Flimzy:

scopeuk: Yes, I understand your point.. I'm just saying that you will probably lose a lot more than you realize you will lose. Even on a single node, a network aware app can be very valuable.

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scopeuk:

yeh

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Flimzy:

The way jobs are queued is enhanced by a network aware system...

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speedsix:

I usually import all my dvds into myth using the 'import dvd' option, just picked up the Da Vinci Code (sony disc) and MTD is having none of it. Some sort of new encryption? Plays fine in Xine.

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scopeuk:

hey i dident say we sohould drop network or anything

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Flimzy:

even on a single node

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Flimzy:

Juski: I don't think the mysql database is actually corrupted...

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Flimzy:

Juski: Could I delete the 'schema' database without ruining anything?

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Flimzy:

hrm

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Flimzy:

I guess not

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Flimzy:

that's not the name of a database

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Flimzy:

haha

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scopeuk:

Flimzy your package manager dident do a myth upgrade for you or somethign stupid did it?

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Flimzy:

scopeuk: no, shouldn't have

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Flimzy:

I didn't do an upgrade while I was out of town :)

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Flimzy:

well myth started at least after doing a mysqlcheck

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Flimzy:

I'll see if it's functional

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Flimzy:

and look into backing up my database to prevent this from happening in the future

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scopeuk:

is it mysqldump? then drop a script into cron that uses it to create afile with the date and time

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scopeuk:

run oce a day

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scopeuk:

copy to remote server once a week

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juampe:

some one can tell me how mythgame 0.20 get listings for mame games? previus version of myth 0.19 for example do a good work upating to database the right game name,year,genre etc

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jvs|nb:

anybody got a clue how to get an agp device in 4x mode?

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jvs|nb:

its an ati card

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scopeuk:

jvs|nb what is it in now?

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jvs|nb:

it always gets set in 1x mode by agpgart

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jvs|nb:

I have added the 4x mode in xorg.conf

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jvs|nb:

doesn't help

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gardengnome:

jvs|nb: on certain chipsets, it'll stay in 1x mode. i thnk my asus k7m has that problem, it's one of the earliest athlon chipsets

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jvs|nb:

gardengnome: its on a notebook

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jvs|nb:

the fps of glxgears is pretty high, around 1800 fps

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jvs|nb:

but compiz is horribly slow

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DarkNight:

Hello everyone.

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jvs|nb:

and I thought this might be the reason behind this fact

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DarkNight:

Does anyone have a minute to help me troubleshoot a permissions problem with a DVB device and FC4?

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DarkNight:

mythtv 0.20-fixes (ATRPMS), Aver A180 card, Fedora 4. Card works fine if I run mythbackend as root, but permission denied as any other user. Obviously permissions problem, but I can't seem to figure out the udev rules to get the appropriate permissions to stick across a reboot.

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vooduhal:

Quick question all. Would a PIII 550Mhz with 512MB be fast enough for mythfrontend for just playing divx movies and recorded content?

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scopeuk:

im guessin you already have this and it isent a purchasing desision?

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scopeuk:

if so then yes t shoud

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vooduhal:

Obviously for DivX the question is it fast enough to decode it, which from just running mplayer it is, I just wanted to make sure there wasn't anything I wasn't aware of or overlooking.

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vooduhal:

Yeah, I've got 3 old PIIIs that I would like to use for frontends around the house.

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vooduhal:

My backend is an AMD 1.8Ghz, 2GB, and 500GB of RAID 5.

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vooduhal:

Seems to be handling the task just fine and for DVD encoding I've got an IBM xSeries 2.8Ghz P4 server. I would like to keep my real machines in the closet and just use the PIIIs for frontends.

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noname21:

i got another question lol i am trying to get mythweb to work with videos but i dont see a button on the site for it i have added the symlinks and permisions is there something i am missing to enable that mod? i am using debian/knoppmyth with .20 myth/mythweb

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janeXChat:

hello, can live streaming with multiple transponder?(vlc can, but not support softcam, i using in my campus)

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janeXChat:

s/multiple transponder/multiple pid

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Beakster:

hey, anyone ever used an IR reciever for Lirc with a USB->Serial adapter?

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Honk^away:

lirc supports usb ir receivers too, why bother putting an adapter in between? =)

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Beakster:

Honk^away, cos thats what I have

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Beakster:

my motherboard also has an IR headeron it, but I dont have anything to connect

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Honk^away:

huh? :P

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fiveiron:

hey can you transcode stuff in mythtv to xvid?

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scopeuk:

Beakster your mbo manual should have the pin out ofor that port bt of gogoleign should get you close

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scopeuk:

chances are its irda thoguh so dae near useless

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Beakster:

scopeuk ok

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Beakster:

thanks

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jduggan:

scopeuk: drunk?

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Beakster:

but my usb-serial adapter

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Beakster:

it shows up as /dev/ttyUSB0

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scopeuk:

jduggan nope jsut eatign whilst typing

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jduggan:

:)

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Beakster:

what should I put in my modprobe.conf to make it work, in terms of IRQs I mean

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scopeuk:

Beakster isent it already working ifits comming up as a usb serial port?

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Beakster:

yeah, the adapter is working

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Beakster:

but i cant get lirc working with it

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Beakster:

ir reciever works fine in COM1

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Beakster:

but when i stick it in the usb-serial adapter im not sure what to put in modprobe

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scopeuk:

why cant it go on their?

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Beakster:

scopeuk i have hooked it up, but when i run irw it doesnt work

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Beakster:

install lirc_serial /bin/setserial /dev/ttyUSB0 uart none ;

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** scopeuk knoes very little aout lirc **

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Beakster:

Oct 22 20:59:31 localhost lircd-0.8.1-CVS[2291]: could not get file information

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Beakster:

for /dev/lirc

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Beakster:

Oct 22 20:59:31 localhost lircd-0.8.1-CVS[2291]: default_init(): No such file or

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Beakster:

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