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Friday, October 20th, 2006, 00:00 UTC
[00:00:26] Anduin: Ediehow: no way short of doing it manually and then never updating it
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[00:04:06] ts0: Anduin: still no joy, but the listing is correct in manage | schedule | program guide
[00:05:22] Ediehow: goo goo goo
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[00:07:28] zoibee: doesnt ffmpeg support srt files?
[00:10:00] Zider: isn't ffmpeg only a video codec?
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[00:14:25] zoibee: mytharchive is using ffmpeg to convert avi files to mpg
[00:14:51] Zider: but ffmpeg isn't a separate player, is it?
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[00:16:08] zoibee: no, its just a converter
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[00:18:08] zoibee: doesnt look like it can enable srt files
[00:20:31] zoibee: but i could tell mytharchive to use mencoder and tell it to add "sub %s.srt". think that could work
[00:21:43] zoibee: hm, but mencoder does only convert mpg to avi...arg
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[00:31:10] kennyt: so, mythbackend always goes up to 99% cpu usage when it records a show ...
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[00:49:03] tank-man: what version of mysql is needed for mythtv?
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[00:49:59] GreyFoxx: 3.23 and up
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[00:51:59] tank-man: so 5 is ok?
[00:52:26] GreyFoxx: as long as you are running 0.19-fixes and up
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[00:58:34] imperfect-: Howdy
[00:58:56] imperfect-: Anyone know if there is an issue with NVidia 8774 drivers and content playback?
[00:59:27] imperfect-: I'm getting warbly lines with HDTV playback and uhm... weird silvery outlines on everything else
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[01:03:23] tjcarter: hmm, what's the tool that will spit out an AVI from a NUV file without transcoding it?
[01:04:59] opello: mv?
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[01:05:41] opello: (if you reinterleve the audio doesn't it count as transcoding?)
[01:06:01] tjcarter: to my mind, not really.
[01:06:17] tjcarter: though technically yes I suppose it does
[01:06:29] GreyFoxx: tjcarter: thereis a nuv2avi tool out there. No idea how well it works
[01:06:34] tjcarter: I'm just not looking to make the file smaller, I just need it in a "normal" format
[01:07:17] zoibee: tjcarter: mencoder
[01:11:05] opello: http://mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/2005 . . . /108752.html
[01:11:06] opello: or google
[01:11:09] opello: there's 1 result
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[01:12:24] ts0: is there a way to stop a frontend gracefully?
[01:12:48] zoibee: quit normally :P
[01:12:49] xzcvczx: killall -9 mythfrontend :P
[01:12:58] xzcvczx: (dont do that)
[01:13:43] zoibee: xzcvczx: btw, why not? thats i how it`s normally done. Isnt it?
[01:16:41] ts0: because you don't want to leave things in a funny state
[01:16:48] ts0: -9 means shut down now and don't tell you motha
[01:16:56] ts0: thats not very nice
[01:17:11] zoibee: hehe :P
[01:17:17] fryfrog: but i think a "killall mythfrontend" is nicer
[01:17:18] ts0: its like shoving a side of beef into your girlfriend's face and telling her to take a hike after she just did a little sumptin sumptin for you
[01:17:26] ts0: kill -HUP left it mostly intact
[01:17:27] fryfrog: and of course, you can always just esc out till its gone :)
[01:17:35] fryfrog: er, HUP is restart?
[01:17:41] ts0: fryfrog: you assume one has access to that kb/mouse/remote/etc
[01:17:43] fryfrog: ie, if you HUP apache it'll reload
[01:17:50] fryfrog: x11vnc, ftw!
[01:17:55] ts0: HUP shuts down myth, HUP is dependent on the signal handler in the source
[01:18:01] fryfrog: oic!
[01:18:07] ts0: i don't like using vnc on hardware-rendering desktops
[01:18:21] ts0: anyway, I figured it out
[01:18:22] fryfrog: sucks for the video, but its awsome to troubleshoot myth remotly :)
[01:18:38] ts0: Anduin: I reran mythtv-setup, rescanned all channels, etc and everything works fine now on my FE
[01:18:47] ts0: Anduin: thanks for the assist
[01:19:09] zoibee: does anyone of you know if it is possible to burn avi files with srt subtitle to a dvd? (convert to mpeg)
[01:19:13] ts0: now I just need to get mythweb running, and fix the audio on my FE as it heads towards my TV, mod some interlacing stuff, and i'll be golden
[01:20:20] ts0: zoibee: spumux
[01:21:57] zoibee: how to i implement that in mytharchive?
[01:22:04] zoibee: to = do
[01:24:28] nandy_: GreyFoxx: im trying to figure out why my remote becomes non-responsive when i put mythtv into Watch TV mode, any ideas on either why this happens or how to go about getting help with it?
[01:29:15] tjcarter: GreyFoxx: didn't realize, I don't need it since I started leaving stuff in MPEG2 format
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[01:29:37] tjcarter: GreyFoxx: now I just gotta figure out how to make mencoder stick multiple mpg files together =)
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[01:37:02] fiveiron: ok, when i start mythTV and go to "watch TV", its either EXTREMELY dark and muffled looking, or the picture has weird lines all over it and you can't make anything out
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[01:37:11] fiveiron: anyone ever run into that?
[01:37:29] fiveiron: i can run other tv tuning apps and i get a perfect picture
[01:39:38] tjcarter: fiveiron: PVR150 pr 500?
[01:39:47] fiveiron: ati tv wonder pro
[01:39:55] fiveiron: analog card
[01:40:08] fiveiron: worked fine until a few weeks ago
[01:40:45] fiveiron: then all of a sudden /dev/video1 didn't exist anymore, and my tuner card was /dev/video0, and i'm _assuming_ my main vid card is now /dev/nvidia0
[01:40:59] fiveiron: so i've redone the card info in myth to be /dev/video0
[01:41:10] fiveiron: but the picture is all screwy
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[02:07:39] aboutblank: what does it MEAN when mythtranscode says it can't find a profile?
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[02:22:31] Ediehow: help!
[02:22:35] Ediehow: my channel changer script blows up when i do channel up or down
[02:22:38] Ediehow: but if i type in the channel, it works fine
[02:22:45] Ediehow: well, i mean
[02:22:55] Ediehow: i have browse mode, so i hit up or down to get to my channel, then hit enter
[02:22:57] Ediehow: and it explodes
[02:23:22] Ediehow: actually, even that has problems sometimes
[02:23:26] Ediehow: myth says "error displaying video"
[02:23:29] Ediehow: until i restart mythtv
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[02:32:20] ** nandy_ crys **
[02:32:25] nandy_: why why wont my remote work
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[02:47:45] roz: sphery: are you around?
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[02:51:08] nandy_: ok thats odd
[02:53:10] fiveiron: this is what I see when watching TV through mythtv... even though other TV tuning apps work fine: http://aarondunlap.homeip.net/Screenshot.png
[02:53:33] nandy_: ok it gets better
[02:53:42] nandy_: if im in TV mode but got Guide – remote works fine
[02:53:50] nandy_: its only in fullscreen tv mode that its borked
[02:53:52] nandy_: wtf
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[02:54:32] nandy_: cpu usage goes from 10% to 80%
[02:54:41] nandy_: meh.
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[03:11:46] fiveiron: so nobody has any idea why mythtv shows an incredibly dark and muddy image for me?
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[03:50:20] Erroneous_1: hey, what is the recordedmarkup table's importance? If I'm restoring a backup of my database, is it really necessary if I don't care about programs I currently had on disk at the time of the backup?
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[03:52:02] Erroneous_1: I mean if all I want is for MythTV to recognize all of my previously recorded episodes, should I just restore table 'oldrecorded'?
[03:52:58] GreyFoxx: error: recordedmarkup is a seektable index of your recordings
[03:53:13] GreyFoxx: oldrecorded is the history of recorded/deleted recordings
[03:53:27] Erroneous_1: thanks
[03:53:59] GreyFoxx: If you are still gonna have your recordings on the disk, and you don't put back recordedmarkup then you will want to use mythcommflag to rebuild the seektable for all of your recordings
[03:54:49] ** GreyFoxx heads to bed **
[03:54:53] Erroneous_1: yeah, I had restored program, record, oldrecorded, and recordedmarkup and mythtv had problems with recording schedules
[03:55:09] Erroneous_1: thanks GreyFoxx
[04:01:56] tjcarter: hmm, mencoder -noidx -oac copy -ovc copy does NOT actually concatenate AVI files.
[04:02:05] tjcarter: despite claims otherwise
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[04:59:35] tjcarter: it works with mpg but not avi, so I'll just do a lossless transcode from mpg to mpg
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[05:19:02] hydraulix: Hello everyone.
[05:19:19] hydraulix: Anyone here running Gentoo? Or can give a hand with tv-out on a pvr-350?
[05:19:32] hydraulix: The card works perfect. I can watch tv with mplayer.
[05:19:38] hydraulix: I just can't get tv out.
[05:19:45] hydraulix: http://pastebin.ca/211155
[05:20:13] hydraulix: But, the module "ivtvdev" is installed in /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/drivers.
[05:20:18] hydraulix: So, I'm lost.
[05:21:55] tuck3r: i'm using gentoo but no idea
[05:22:08] hydraulix: How did you get ivtvdev to install or work?
[05:22:19] hydraulix: For xorg?
[05:22:36] tuck3r: it uh just worked, not sure what you mean
[05:23:00] hydraulix: Ok, let me explain my setup. That might help. :)
[05:23:08] hydraulix: I have this box that I just want mythtv on.
[05:23:11] hydraulix: Nothing else really.
[05:23:26] hydraulix: I want to use the framebuffer on the pvr-350.
[05:23:35] hydraulix: Since it's just going to be a mythtv box
[05:23:46] tuck3r: well thats not a good idea anymore
[05:23:54] hydraulix: how so?
[05:24:20] tuck3r: mythtv is starting to use more and more openGL stuff and framebuffer devices don't support it
[05:24:29] hydraulix: Ah, ok.
[05:24:42] hydraulix: So I guess my question is how do I get tv out?
[05:25:00] hydraulix: Everything works on my monitor. But, I need to pipe it out on the tv.
[05:25:04] tuck3r: do you have any video cards that have a SVIDEO out socket?
[05:25:35] hydraulix: Nope, just this ati radeon card that's build into the system.
[05:26:02] tuck3r: no old cards around?
[05:26:11] hydraulix: Nope I got nothing.
[05:26:24] hydraulix: You think I should buy a card?
[05:26:55] tuck3r: i would, and get a card with good drivers (*cough* nvidia *cough*)
[05:26:59] hydraulix: haha
[05:27:00] hydraulix: I hear that.
[05:27:03] hydraulix: I hate ATI.
[05:27:08] hydraulix: Such a pain.
[05:27:10] tuck3r: join the vary large club
[05:27:14] hydraulix: Indeed.
[05:27:18] tuck3r: very*
[05:27:24] hydraulix: Well, I had no choice since this card came with the box.
[05:27:28] hydraulix: I got a great deal on it.
[05:27:49] hydraulix: So, what's the best nvidia card to get for what I need?
[05:27:49] tuck3r: do you ever plan on moving up to HD?
[05:27:59] hydraulix: Not in the near future.
[05:28:21] hydraulix: When I do I'll have a newer system.
[05:28:34] tuck3r: then i would just get any card that works on the newer nvidia drivers and doesn't have a fan (if you care about noise)
[05:28:41] hydraulix: Ok.
[05:28:54] hydraulix: So any nvidia card with tv-out should do it?
[05:28:59] tuck3r: i use a 6200 (Non-TC, no fan)
[05:29:01] tuck3r: yep
[05:29:04] hydraulix: Cool.
[05:29:19] hydraulix: Well, that explains a lot.
[05:29:26] hydraulix: And, why I can't get tv out to work.
[05:29:42] tuck3r: well, i would get a gforce 4 or better, so you can use the modern drivers
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[05:29:47] hydraulix: yeah.
[05:30:04] hydraulix: I'll roll down and pick one up today.
[05:30:09] tuck3r: plus you can use XVMC to reduce load on the CPU
[05:30:22] hydraulix: True.
[05:31:30] hydraulix: Well, I'm going to go look for a card.
[05:31:33] hydraulix: Thanks for the help man.
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[05:31:45] tuck3r: have fun
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[06:09:29] kraut: moin
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[06:27:10] Juski: mornin'
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[06:33:03] tank-man: do recorded shows have Closed Captioning?
[06:33:30] tank-man: yes they do :)
[06:33:58] tuck3r: did you just answer your own question? /confused
[06:34:10] tank-man: yea i did
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[06:34:31] tank-man: i didnt know the keyboad key for it then found out and tested it myself
[06:34:53] Juski: do recorded shows NOT have closed captioning?
[06:35:08] Juski: yes, they do, if you have a PAL PVR150/500 card
[06:35:15] Juski: (not, that is)
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[07:02:25] Dagmar: CC detection still seems a little insane
[07:02:34] Dagmar: I have the CC flag showing on about half my recordings
[07:02:57] Dagmar: ...and I'm talking about programs recorded back to back, one will have it, the other might or might not
[07:03:19] Dagmar: Probably ivtv bugs at the root of that, if I'm interpreting changelogs correctly.
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[07:09:36] Dagmar: I need to find some sploits against Slackware so the next time I see some asshole complaining that Dropline is "too intrusive" I'm just going to crack their shit and rm -rf their filesystem
[07:09:52] Dagmar: wrong channel, and yes the short bus riders have really gotten on my nerves today
[07:10:03] Juski: aye well. I'm not hard of hearing or english challenged, so I don't need CC :)
[07:10:23] tank-man: some shows might not have CC
[07:10:38] Dagmar: tank-man: Nah, this is on channels where everything is closed-captioned
[07:11:05] Dagmar: I'm guessing it's a matter of ivtv not having closed-captioning decoding down pat yet
[07:11:19] Dagmar: I've no idea what it's actually seeing for closed captioning, since I have it off
[07:11:31] Dagmar: Might be that the ones it's saying it has CC for are just full of binary goo
[07:11:33] Juski: if my experience with Teletext is anything to go by, captions might get screwed up from time to time
[07:12:23] Dagmar: Some of these recordings are from CNN
[07:12:30] Juski: what? our CEO has had our stupid proxy restrictions lifted!
[07:12:32] Dagmar: They run closed-captioning _all_ the time
[07:12:42] Dagmar: Juski: That sounds liek a reason for celebration to me
[07:12:54] Juski: lifted, as in removed, not lifted as in hightened
[07:13:07] Dagmar: There's nothing remotely like embarrassing http access logs to make negotiations with co-workers go more smoothly.
[07:13:44] Dagmar: A good network administrator knows how to use blackmail as well as policy to keep users under control.  :)
[07:14:32] Juski: not the case this time.. apparently the superscout restrictions were stopping folks do their job properly :-O
[07:14:33] Dagmar: In the phrase "carrot and stick" it's important to remember that you have a stick.
[07:14:56] Dagmar: Oh you guys are doing accounting for ESPN?
[07:15:29] Juski: eh?
[07:15:46] Dagmar: That was the excuse we were hearing constantly when I worked for DT&T
[07:15:58] Dagmar: "What if they need to view a client's website?"
[07:16:04] Juski: well, every time we needed to download something, having to ask IT to get it for us was becoming a pain
[07:16:08] Dagmar: "We're accountants, not web designers."
[07:16:20] tuck3r: can JFS be fscked?
[07:16:21] Dagmar: Ah, okay yeah that would be a problem then
[07:17:03] Dagmar: tuck3r: Yes.
[07:17:13] tuck3r: Dagmar: thanks
[07:17:30] Dagmar: Is there a reason you asked instead of just typing `fsck.jfs` to see if it does anything?
[07:17:44] Dagmar: Tip: fsck(tab)(tab)
[07:17:56] tuck3r: setting up fstab, wondering if i should add it to the fsck order
[07:18:15] Dagmar: Not unless you're booting off it would you have to do it any differently than the other filesystems
[07:18:46] Dagmar: If you're booting off it, it would be 1 1 instead of 1 2
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[07:32:55] Dagmar: I wonder how long it's going to take Google to get around to talking to broadcast networks about putting their schedules into Google Calendar
[07:33:17] tuck3r: some time before it comes out of beta
[07:33:25] Dagmar: Probably
[07:34:10] Dagmar: I put the presentation schedule for Phreaknic this year into it, and since I'm dragging my Myth box down to record the things, it just occurred to me that it might be a less complex solution than grabbing listings from a database
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[08:07:06] stuarta: morning all
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[08:11:51] kenguru: morning.
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[08:12:46] kenguru: when i run mythfilldatabase --manual or without manual it nags, "/.mythtv/cinergy.xmltv is empty, please delete and run me with --configure"
[08:13:40] kenguru: so what command i should run with --configure? there is no xmltv binary?
[08:14:41] kenguru: oh, more packages.. apt :)
[08:18:07] tuck3r: myhtfilldatabase?
[08:19:20] kenguru: nope, mythfilldatabase.
[08:19:35] tuck3r: ...
[08:19:41] Hoxzer: kenguru: are you from finland?
[08:19:46] kenguru: Hoxzer, yeah.
[08:19:51] Hoxzer: lo, perkele
[08:20:05] Hoxzer: Np: Jean S – Äidin pikkupoika
[08:20:31] kenguru: Hoxzer, i have problems with epg (non working o/)
[08:21:03] Hoxzer: kenguru: why not use tv_grab_fi?
[08:21:30] kenguru: Hoxzer, tv_grab_fi just returns a error :)
[08:21:40] Hoxzer: :O
[08:21:44] Hoxzer: what kind of error?
[08:21:53] stuarta: kenguru: what problems you have with epg?
[08:23:18] kenguru: Hoxzer, it seems to need config file, "~/.mythtv/cinergy.xmltv is emply, please delete and run me with --configure"
[08:23:44] Hoxzer: did you run it with --configure?
[08:23:46] kenguru: that's a part of XMLTV output when i run mythfilldatabase or mythfilldatabase --manual
[08:23:59] kenguru: what command?
[08:24:08] Hoxzer: ./tv_grab_fi --configure
[08:24:13] kenguru: oh.
[08:27:27] kenguru: is this normal? "removing bad characters: '' at /usr/bin/tv_grab_fi line 330."
[08:27:35] Hoxzer: yes
[08:28:22] kenguru: okay, i was running that mythfilldatabase with wrong account.
[08:28:35] Hoxzer: -> shower
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[08:41:43] Juski: morn' stuarta. saw your comment about the link being dead.. try http://homepage.ntlworld.com/justin.hornsby2/grabiconuk.tar.bz2
[08:42:24] Juski: whoops
[08:43:40] Juski: http://homepage.ntlworld.com/justin.hornsby2/icon_uk.tar.bz2
[08:44:36] stuarta: Juski: it's okay. i hacked it, tidied up the script & submitted it
[08:45:35] stuarta: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/11597
[08:46:23] Juski: wooo cheers
[08:46:45] Juski: tidied it up, anyway... ?
[08:47:20] stuarta: yeah, did a bit of cleaning up, fixed a warning, fixed a bug where it would match the first found occurance of E4 or E4+1 for both channels
[08:47:34] Juski: ah reet.. it's all good :)
[08:47:48] stuarta: I now have channel icons :)
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[08:50:28] Puh: strange phenomenon — if i tell myth to use gui x offset 38 everything works but if i set x offset to 39 the menu browsing breaks
[08:51:11] Puh: the menu entries and graphics disappear when browsing, the menu itself works but the screen is messed up
[08:51:18] Puh: this on 0.19-fixes
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[08:57:53] Juski: got that warm fuzzy feeling again.. oi loikes t' contributes :)
[08:58:20] ** Juski shoots his domain redirection service dead **
[08:59:32] ** ivor shoots bloody creative developers. **
[08:59:55] ** stuarta shoots like a red-neck **
[09:00:25] ivor: particularly the one who's just implemented virtual static functions in the library here.
[09:00:43] ivor: very clever. but ffucksake.
[09:00:52] stuarta: wtf are they good for?
[09:03:14] ivor: I despair.
[09:03:37] ivor: giving some people C++ is like giving a toddler an Uzi.
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[09:04:46] tuck3r: ivor: and in this analogy what is python?
[09:05:32] ivor: a snake?
[09:05:32] Juski: you could argue that giving some people command line access is a mistake too
[09:05:44] Juski: .. and internet access.. haha
[09:05:54] tuck3r: and the right to breed
[09:06:20] ** stuarta tries not to mention council estates & breeding **
[09:06:26] ** Juski goes to do some work to miss #language-wars **
[09:08:24] ivor: Juski: it's not about the language though.... it's "creative" coding where it's not needed.
[09:08:29] ivor: you can do it in any language.
[09:08:39] ivor: perhaps with the exception of Prolog.
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[09:14:04] Juski: heh. I saw the comment about python & just thought "uh-oh...."
[09:14:42] Juski: stuarta: maybe someone could implement a sterilising stream into 'Trisha' & those quiz channels
[09:14:52] tuck3r: Juski: naw, not a python person, just wondering
[09:14:56] stuarta: there's an idea.
[09:15:01] Juski: so when folks watch em they'll not be able to have kids :-P
[09:16:39] stuarta: when I was testing the EIT fixup changes I noticed an episode of Trisha "My partner is banging the lodger"... classy
[09:17:08] Juski: like anyone should ever need to go on a TV show to find out what to do about their situation
[09:18:03] qu0zl: yeah, that's what personal issue web-forums are for Juski
[09:18:08] qu0zl: ;)
[09:18:13] gardengnome: Juski: other people would talk to someone from their local church community about it *shrug*
[09:19:16] Juski: yeh.. bloody crazy
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[09:20:30] Juski: in some places the solution would be simple. murder the lodger in an honour killing, and stone your mrs to death for being adulterous
[09:21:15] stuarta: and in other places they would just join in...
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[09:21:42] Juski: more enlightened places ;-)
[09:23:19] Juski: anyway gardengnome TV could be looked at like a church, or at least a way of life, you've got a point there
[09:24:02] Juski: in other news... it's friday! :)
[09:24:21] stuarta: my last day! woo hoo!
[09:24:36] ** Juski beers stuarta **
[09:24:43] stuarta: cheers!
[09:25:01] stuarta: don't be surprised if i'm not here much after 12pm...
[09:25:15] Juski: I need to buy an emmm pee flea player (or whatever they call em) for my trip
[09:25:41] Juski: last time I got the train I thought I'd be able to use the FM radio on my phone.. nope
[09:26:00] Juski: hmmm I could always just buy a 1GB sd card for my phone instead
[09:27:56] stuarta: they give those players away these days...
[09:28:34] ikke_: Hi stuarta and Juski, that channel icon grabber is nice idea! I immediately thought to try it once I have time. But why is it under uk_icons, isn't the script itself generic for any url, no matter what country links it has?
[09:29:29] ikke_: I though I just change the links to finnish channels, if they work, could I somehow commit the links file back?
[09:31:32] Juski: hahaha.. 2GB MMC card costs more than an Ipoo on one site I stumbled upon
[09:32:15] Juski: sod it... I'll just buy a half-decent player
[09:32:33] Juski: not one of them shitty pendrive player things either.. they eat batteries
[09:34:39] Juski: ikke_: it's under uk_icons because.. I made it, and I decided to only do uk icons
[09:35:25] Juski: with some small changes you could make it work from a variety of data files & make the country an arg you pass the script
[09:35:34] Juski: I could do that if I cared
[09:38:01] Juski: but if you wanna do it, ikke_ you go ahead.. lygsat.com makes it easy
[09:38:42] ** ikke_ already doing finnish lookup.txt **
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[09:44:05] stuarta: ikke_: it can always be extended
[09:48:54] stuarta: the question was asked last night, whether it would be better integrated into the existing master_iconmap stuff
[09:52:04] gardengnome: Juski: don't buy a maxfield g-flash. mine broke early :/
[09:52:23] gardengnome: and of course, i forgot to RMA it :/
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[10:02:27] ikke_: stuarta: there is a bug in the grabukicons.pl, it adds '..' to the location path:
[10:02:39] ikke_: $ ./grabukicons.pl /usr/local/share/mythtv/kanavalogot
[10:02:47] ikke_: grabbing http://www.lyngsat-logo.com/logo/tv/uu/urheilukanava.jpg ../usr/local/share/mythtv/kanavalogot/urheilukanava.jpg: Permission denied
[10:03:19] stuarta: hrm
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[10:14:40] ikke_: stuarta: thanks, this is great script. will add all finnish channels and share those on mailing list i guess
[10:14:54] stuarta: okay
[10:21:31] Juski: that script does not add '..' to anything
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[10:22:02] Juski: I should've said in the usage explanation to make sure the path is absolute.. heh
[10:22:45] Juski: and writable...
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[10:29:51] Juski: is it 3.30 yet?
[10:30:56] stuarta: is it 12 yet?
[10:31:34] Juski: today is just dragging by
[10:42:20] Juski: bloody hell that sandwich van gets earlier every day
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[10:42:48] stuarta: it's a sign that everyone else has already gone down the pub
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[10:51:47] ivor: hmmm do I go for a 3G datacard... or a 3G phone that I can connect to the pc....
[10:53:07] Juski: my money would be on the phone
[10:53:15] Juski: more versatile-r
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[10:55:50] Juski: and you're not left with a big lump sticking out of your laptop ;-)
[10:56:31] ivor: true... but 3g phones are just so brash.
[10:57:52] stuarta: mine aint too bad. Nokia 6280
[10:58:21] ivor: stuarta: do you hook it up to a pc?
[10:58:28] Juski: I quite like my 6230.. well i started to after I found a teenager to show me how to use it
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[10:58:43] stuarta: haven't tried the dialup, but i've hooked it up to a pc yes.
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[10:59:25] Zider: flash9 beta for linux has been released, for those interested ;)
[11:00:27] ** stuarta hates flash **
[11:01:21] ivor: hmmm the datacard has both 3g and WiFi though... that's a plus point I guess.
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[11:13:30] Juski: this 'torchwood' thing'd better be good after the inescapable hype we're being subjected to
[11:14:08] stuarta: and the stupid number of repeats they are showing this week
[11:14:48] Juski: who needs pvrs with so many repeats? ;-)#
[11:16:23] stuarta: i've even got repeats showing on the HD test mux
[11:16:56] GreyFoxx: Juski: That a spinoff from Dr Who ?
[11:17:04] stuarta: GreyFoxx: yup
[11:17:04] Juski: GreyFoxx: no (yes)
[11:17:32] stuarta: bugger this. time to go to the pub
[11:17:41] Juski: not if you listen to campfatbloke wrote came up with it
[11:18:03] Juski: have fun stuarta :)
[11:18:04] GreyFoxx: when does it start ?
[11:18:14] stuarta: Juski: will do.
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[11:18:17] ** GreyFoxx is wondering if CBC will be picking it up **
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[11:18:33] Juski: GreyFoxx: Sunday, so from the usual outlets on Monday :-P
[11:18:51] GreyFoxx: cool
[11:19:10] GreyFoxx: I'll have to search my listings
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[11:20:34] Juski:
[11:20:53] Pete__: I liked my sony player.. till I lost it
[11:21:27] Juski: oh I love the look of the sony players.. but I've used their SonicStage software before
[11:21:45] Pete__: I didn't find it as bad as some people said
[11:22:01] Pete__: just set it to encode all my mp3's to atrac and walked away
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[11:22:46] Pete__: I did however buy an 8 gig nano 3 days ago, its pretty nice too
[11:24:48] Pete__: up until that one came out I've disliked the things ;)
[11:26:02] Juski: I'd like to try one out before I buy it. I bet nowhere near here'd let me do that
[11:26:34] Pete__: where about are you?
[11:26:42] Juski: Manchester, UK
[11:27:53] Pete__: not that you'd want to buy it from there, but you could look in dixons / currys online or whatever its called. They have let me have a shot at those kinda things before
[11:28:41] Juski: I don't go in dixons/currys as a matter of principle. I hate their lying lizard faces
[11:28:56] qu0zl: but you'd just be exploiting them to test an ipod Juski
[11:29:02] Juski: I can't stand idly by when a customer is being fleeced
[11:29:04] qu0zl: that'd be a good thing
[11:29:15] Pete__: True, who does want to go in there. Except they aren't getting any of your money
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[11:29:27] Pete__: and costing them sales person time ;)
[11:29:37] qu0zl: highly paid, highly skilled sales person time ;)
[11:29:58] Juski: last time I was in a Dixons I kept chipping into a 'sale'.. I got moved to a till at the back of the store. The shop guy got quite irate
[11:30:33] Juski: I hear good things about Creative's Zen players
[11:31:03] Pete__: I was interested in their 4gb flash player for a while
[11:33:45] Juski: bah FWIW I'll just tolerate my MD walkman one last time for that journey
[11:33:45] Zider: I'm happy with my Jens of sweden.. but I would like to stuff a SD in there tho
[11:33:51] Paladine: juski I got banned from currys for that lol
[11:34:18] Paladine: they were trying to sell some dude 10 dvd-r for like 18 quid or something
[11:34:34] Juski: Paladine: the bullshit their sales staff come out with should be illegal.. misrepresentation etc
[11:34:38] Paladine: so I chirped in and told him to buy some online for 1/4 the price and much higher quality lol
[11:34:49] Juski: oh wait it IS illegal but yet they still get away with it :-|
[11:35:03] Paladine: I am always pissing people off like that :)
[11:35:14] Paladine: I am incredibly political and a rampant socialist
[11:36:25] Juski: I wonder if kids are doing jokes in Currys etc.. with the computer systems like we used to .. lines of basic.. but now they'd be buggerring up the network & virusing the store...
[11:37:07] Pete__: I think I saw someone trying to delete the pagefile on one of their machines sometime
[11:37:14] Paladine: christ I used to spend so much time in our local shopping centeras a kid playing the cpc 464's and the commodores lol
[11:37:32] Paladine: 10 print "Boots sucks"
[11:37:34] Paladine: 20 Goto 10
[11:37:40] Paladine: run
[11:37:42] Paladine: bwahaha
[11:37:52] Paladine: those were the days
[11:38:21] Paladine: (all the computers were in Boots in our shopping center)
[11:38:32] Paladine: I would spend my entire summerin there playing Jet Set Willy 2
[11:38:34] Pete__: hmm, I was away for a couple days, now mythweb doesn't want to work (SQL Error: Got error 127 from storage engine [#1030])
[11:38:35] Paladine: and stuff like that
[11:39:23] Pete__: anyone know what may cause that?
[11:39:37] Paladine: have you run out of HD space?
[11:39:50] Pete__: I did at one point
[11:40:14] Pete__: 60 days up, the power failed and then that box wouldn't boot, /tmp had filled up
[11:40:22] Pete__: ah
[11:40:25] Pete__: 14m free on /
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[11:40:32] Paladine: there you go then :)
[11:40:51] Mattwj2005: good morning everyone :)
[11:40:51] Pete__: 2.5G /tmp/backup_tmp_7yJZ2J6B/tmp
[11:41:00] Mattwj2005: almost time for bed ;)
[11:43:18] Mattwj2005: nothing like working overnights
[11:43:47] Paladine: I am always up all night and I don't even have a job hehehe
[11:43:57] Mattwj2005: lol
[11:44:11] Mattwj2005: jobs are great....they help pay those bills :P
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[11:45:20] Paladine: I am in academia
[11:45:39] Mattwj2005: oh academia....the good old days!
[11:45:59] Mattwj2005: your going for a Ph.D. right?
[11:46:04] Paladine: yeah
[11:46:18] Paladine: which reminds me I have some studying to do this weekend
[11:46:53] Paladine: must to study pornotube this weekend ;)
[11:47:04] Paladine: erm youtube
[11:47:12] Mattwj2005: lol
[11:47:45] Paladine: or is that googletube
[11:48:04] Juski: oo weird. got 2 hdds that pass all the manufacturers' diagnostics, work fine in a PC but not in our DVR
[11:48:05] Mattwj2005: tube google perhaps?
[11:48:15] Juski: tube tube
[11:48:25] Paladine: legaltube
[11:48:30] Zider: goobe
[11:48:37] Mattwj2005: trunks? *networking joke*
[11:48:40] Zider: or tubele
[11:48:48] Paladine: trucks you mean?
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[11:49:33] Juski: w@r35c00b35
[11:49:35] Paladine: I have to build a web2.0 social networking site for students :/
[11:49:36] Mattwj2005: there was this one speak by some congressman I believe....he said the Internet isn't tubes it is a trunk
[11:49:50] Juski: web2.0? lame & unreadable you mean?
[11:49:50] Mattwj2005: it can only handle so much payload
[11:50:00] Paladine: Mattwj2005, no he said it wasn't trucks, it is a series of tubes
[11:50:00] Mattwj2005: tubes = trunk
[11:50:21] Mattwj2005: oops
[11:50:22] Paladine: senator of Alaska
[11:51:08] Mattwj2005: yeah I think phone companies are just cheap
[11:51:47] Mattwj2005: we still have a lot of places on dialup and our "broadband" is behind a lot of countries
[11:52:18] Mattwj2005: and it is pretty expensive
[11:53:02] Pete__: mythweb still isn't working..
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[11:53:25] Paladine: tyan rock
[11:53:41] Mattwj2005: tyan rock?
[11:53:44] Paladine: they just sent me a free i/o shield for my motherboard, all the way from germany
[11:53:55] Mattwj2005: nice :)
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[11:54:55] Paladine: its a non standard I/O shield (no audio ports) so I couldn't find one anywhere online
[11:55:21] Mattwj2005: well guys I have to go to bed
[11:55:25] Mattwj2005: good night all
[11:55:29] Paladine: later matt
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[11:55:54] Zider: I have a bag of I/O shields of different shapes and sizes.. ;)
[11:56:07] Paladine: so I emailed tyan asking where I could get one and they replied saying "Give me your address and I will post one out to you." :)
[11:56:33] Paladine: the only one I could find for this layout was for a 1U rack case, which won't fit in a tower
[11:57:06] Zider: just use gaffa
[11:57:07] Zider: ;)
[11:57:28] Paladine: why when tyan are willing to send out free i/o shields :p
[11:57:46] Paladine: took all of 3 days to get here
[11:57:52] Zider: hehe
[11:58:31] Pete__: any idea how I can get mythweb back?
[12:00:51] Paladine: I need to put together a shopping list: 2L 98% Sulphuric Acid, 1KG Sodium Hydroxide Crystals, 2 sheets of 3mm Aluminium, 1 Sheet of Lead, 1 12 Volt constant power supply, 1 bag of pot rivets, 1 rivet gun, 3 tubs of organic dye (blue, purple and yellow) and 1 sheet of plexiglass
[12:01:14] Zider: Paladine: baking a cake?
[12:01:20] Paladine: if you can guess what it is all for I will be impressed
[12:01:27] Paladine: it is all fora single geek project
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[12:01:47] Paladine: oh and a fish tank
[12:01:53] Paladine: forgot that part :)
[12:02:11] Paladine: missus would freak if I started putting sulphuric acid in the kitchen sink
[12:02:13] Zider: what is rivets?
[12:02:25] Krazylegz: Automatic tie dye shirt maker?
[12:02:33] Paladine: rivets, for connecting metal together
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[12:02:49] Paladine: it is all for a server case I am planning to make
[12:02:50] Zider: ahh
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[12:03:03] Paladine: the acid, loead, die etc is for anodizing the aluminium
[12:03:11] Paladine: lead, dye even
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[12:03:36] Paladine: the outer skin of the case will be anodized blue
[12:03:44] Paladine: the chassis frame will be anodized purple
[12:03:46] Zider: coolers
[12:03:52] Paladine: and the drive cages will be anodized gold
[12:04:19] Paladine: I found a book in my college library with instructions on anodizing at home :)
[12:04:27] Zider: hehe
[12:04:30] Paladine: its really very very easy
[12:04:48] Zider: yeah, piece of cake :)
[12:05:29] Paladine: am board with my full tower case
[12:05:35] Paladine: so I am gonna make a server cube
[12:05:38] Paladine: bored
[12:06:25] Paladine: its gonna be 8–10U high and as wide as extended atx with a bit of extra space either side
[12:07:17] Paladine: with plexiglass sides and top
[12:07:20] Zider: I have a miditower modified to be a desktop for my mediacenter ;)
[12:07:45] Zider: gonna make a plexi front for it some day
[12:07:49] Juski: 2L 98% Sulphuric Acid, 1KG Sodium Hydroxide Crystals, 2 sheets of
[12:07:49] Juski: 3mm Aluminium, 1 Sheet of Lead, 1 12 Volt constant power supply, 1 bag of pot rivets, 1 rivet gun, 3 tubs
[12:07:52] Juski: of organic dye (blue, purple and yellow) and 1 sheet of plexiglass...
[12:07:58] Paladine: this is gonna be an uber cool server case
[12:07:58] Pete__: mysqldump: Error 1030: Got error 127 from storage engine when dumping table `program` at row: 11351
[12:08:05] Juski: you forgot the fertiliser, Paladine
[12:08:38] Paladine: am not making a bomb :p
[12:08:48] Juski: oops
[12:09:36] Paladine: Zider, I am not goin for full plexi, gonna wrap the plexi in aluminium sheet
[12:09:52] Paladine: or rather cutout the middle of the sheet and insert plexi
[12:10:31] Paladine: who needs a cnc router when you have a dremel with like 1000 tools :)
[12:10:53] Zider: I have a dremel-like tool that costme 1/5 of what a real dremel would cost
[12:11:00] Paladine: likewise
[12:11:09] Paladine: but it takes real dremel attachments :)
[12:11:15] Zider: ofcourse :D
[12:11:24] Paladine: I have 2 actually
[12:11:46] Zider: I have used it once so far.. I did some cutting in a knife blade
[12:11:48] Paladine: cos they sent the first one without a charger and never asked for it back when they sent the replacement :)
[12:11:53] Zider: damn hard material
[12:12:09] Paladine: yeah I am working with 3mm aluminium which is quite soft
[12:12:19] Paladine: so my dremel will be perfect for the job
[12:12:41] Zider: this is "ordinary" food knives
[12:12:52] Zider: http://www.zider.se/knif.jpg
[12:12:53] Zider: :D
[12:12:56] Paladine: yeah stainless steel is much harder than aluminium :)
[12:13:02] Zider: one down, two to go
[12:13:21] Zider: and one missing unfortunately
[12:13:26] Paladine: you making a freddy kruger glove?
[12:13:30] Zider: :D
[12:13:34] Zider: how did you guess?
[12:13:40] Paladine: I am smart :)
[12:13:47] Zider: halloween coming up you know :)
[12:13:54] Paladine: yes I know, it is my birthday :)
[12:14:26] Zider: ah, cool
[12:14:48] Zider: http://www.zider.se/?page=gall&show=1345 – last year :P
[12:14:53] Zider: pizza box knifes ;)
[12:14:54] Paladine: how many cutting discs did you go through for that first knife?
[12:15:12] Zider: still on the first one
[12:15:18] Paladine: nice
[12:15:19] Zider: and I have 12
[12:15:31] Paladine: that means I should go through very few cutting discs for my project
[12:15:32] Zider: the motor is running hottho ;)
[12:16:22] Paladine: cd racks are generally used for storing cds you know
[12:16:34] Paladine: I don't see a single cd in your cd rack :p
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[12:16:52] Zider: I don't have enough cds for the racks ;)
[12:17:09] Zider: it's built into the TV thingie
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[12:17:56] Paladine: this case is gonna be riddled with fans too :)
[12:18:04] Zider: eww ;)
[12:18:27] Paladine: I was gonna for liquid cooling
[12:18:36] Paladine: but I can't find any dual cpu kits
[12:18:51] Pete__: I guess dropping mythconverg.program wasn't that smart ;)
[12:18:56] Zider: I prefer passive cooling :P
[12:19:05] Paladine: Pete__, probably not, no
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[12:19:19] Paladine: Zider, for passive cooling I really would need a cnc router
[12:19:29] Zider: a cnc router?
[12:19:49] Paladine: computerised cutting machine you find in factories
[12:19:56] Zider: ah
[12:20:11] Paladine: you need a cnc router to make the fins for passive cooling heatsinks
[12:20:38] Zider: I never said I was gonna build the fins myself :P
[12:20:51] Juski: you could, but it'd take a very long time
[12:21:13] Paladine: it would take a very very very long time with a dremel lol
[12:21:30] Juski: cost a lot in cutting discs too
[12:21:57] Paladine: cutting disks wouldn't be stable enough at the diameter you would need to make decent heatsinks
[12:22:16] Paladine: you would need to use the diamond cutting bits
[12:22:27] Zider: you could just take copper plates, nail'em together in the middle and spread the ends out.. like zalman coolers..
[12:22:45] Paladine: that would look ugly and not be terribly efficient
[12:22:57] Paladine: the best way to make a heatsink is to have a solid part
[12:23:01] Zider: it's only as ugly as you make it ;)
[12:23:30] Paladine: thats why the heatsinks you buy are cnc milled as opposed to just fins stuck on a plate :p
[12:23:33] Zider: I have an old zalman cooler with the fan disconnected cooling the mediacenter
[12:23:41] Zider: only thing with fan is the PSU
[12:23:54] Paladine: I could probably buy pre fabricated heatsinks but it wouldn't be cheap
[12:24:24] Paladine: and fan noise doesn't bother me
[12:24:30] Paladine: you can get very quiet fans nowadays
[12:25:37] Paladine: if I wanted to be uber cool I could fill the case with oil or deionised water
[12:25:54] Zider: ;)
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[12:25:57] Paladine: the ultimate in passive cooling
[12:27:04] Paladine: you still have to have fans in there though to move the liquid around or you get "hotspots"
[12:27:12] Paladine: but you can't hear them
[12:27:19] Paladine: cos the liquid kills the sound
[12:27:36] Paladine: actually thats a fucking cool idea
[12:27:41] Paladine: erm I mean damn cool
[12:27:44] Paladine: sorry
[12:27:55] Paladine: I could make the case dual chambered
[12:28:18] Paladine: the bottom chamber with the mainboard in could be filled with mineral oil or deionised water
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[12:28:41] Paladine: and the top chamber with the drives in would have no liquid in
[12:28:49] Zider: I don't trust any liquid near a computer
[12:29:24] Paladine: dude you can submerge a PC in deionised water or mineral oil without any worries at all
[12:29:29] Zider: I know
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[12:29:33] Zider: I still don't trust it
[12:29:37] Paladine: so long as there are no mechanical parts submerged
[12:29:49] Paladine: hense why the drives would be in a seperate chamber
[12:29:55] Juski: at which point does de-ionised water start to become ionised thoguh?
[12:30:45] Paladine: you just change it every couple of months
[12:31:08] Zider: how about a deionising cannon constantly aimed at it? ;)
[12:31:12] Paladine: there are some nice examples on overclockers iirc
[12:31:16] Paladine: been a while since I looked into it
[12:32:11] Paladine: mineral oil is the best
[12:32:20] Paladine: more viscous so offers betting cooling
[12:32:28] Zider: viscwhat?
[12:32:31] Paladine: and doesn't ionise anything like as quick as water
[12:32:44] Paladine: thicker :p
[12:32:47] Zider: ah
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[12:56:34] tuck3r: does anybody know what the `menuconfig` names for CONFIG_VIDEO_TVEEPROM and CONFIG_VIDEO_TUNER are?
[12:56:48] fryfrog: tuck3r: you trying to compile ivtv?
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[12:56:56] tuck3r: fryfrog: yep
[12:57:18] fryfrog: tuck3r: to get those two items, I usually select the "bt848" card, you'll also need to go into the "additional" section at the bottom and check off all those devices
[12:57:21] fryfrog: er, 2.6.18?
[12:57:29] fryfrog: ignore the above if you aren't on 2.6.18
[12:57:37] tuck3r: .17
[12:57:45] fryfrog: erm, sorry i mean ignore the last part
[12:58:01] fryfrog: but you can get those two parts by selecting bt848 or 878 i think
[12:58:22] tuck3r: cool, thanks
[12:58:54] fryfrog: Encoders and Decoders --->
[12:59:03] fryfrog: my 2.6.18 has a section named as above
[12:59:10] fryfrog: i don't recall if 2.6.17 has it or not
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[12:59:15] tuck3r: it does
[12:59:16] fryfrog: but if it does, you'll want all of em
[12:59:23] fryfrog: you using gentoo?
[12:59:31] tuck3r: yep
[12:59:36] fryfrog: why not using 2.6.18 ?
[12:59:48] fryfrog: i mean, since you obviously seem to have just updated to 2.6.17?
[13:00:08] tuck3r: i have it DLed just not configed yet
[13:00:14] fryfrog: ah
[13:00:27] fryfrog: cp .config ../linux-2.6.18-gentoo-r1/
[13:00:32] fryfrog: make olconfig :)
[13:00:34] fryfrog: er, make oldconfig
[13:00:41] tuck3r: i should just do it so I can use .80 of ivtv
[13:00:46] fryfrog: they are so simliar in that respect you'll have very little to worry about
[13:00:51] fryfrog: yar !
[13:01:09] tuck3r: are you using the ivtv ebuild or compiled by hand?
[13:01:12] fryfrog: save ya from doing it later, though I do still have my .17 kernel just in case
[13:01:14] Zider: cp .config /etc/kernels/kernel-config-x86–2.6.18-gentoo
[13:01:15] Zider: :P
[13:01:16] fryfrog: ivtv ebuild
[13:01:35] fryfrog: is that what genkern uses?
[13:01:44] Zider: yes
[13:01:44] tuck3r: ew, genkernel :P
[13:01:57] fryfrog: genkern is for bitches :)
[13:02:01] Zider: or /usr/share/genkernel/x86/kernel-config-2.6
[13:02:07] Zider: genkernel is nice
[13:02:21] Zider: don't see why people always complain about it
[13:02:23] fryfrog: it didn't exist when i started using gentoo, afaik :(
[13:02:26] Zider: works perfectly
[13:02:30] fryfrog: so i simply have never learned or used it
[13:02:40] fryfrog: do you use bootsplasshyness with genkern?
[13:02:46] Zider: nope
[13:02:54] Zider: don't like bootspashies
[13:03:17] tuck3r: i think i just broke my enter button on oldconfig
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[13:03:34] seth|laptop: in a pinch, if something isn't working 'genkernel --make-menuconfig' can help with those pesky unknown modules
[13:03:50] Zider: genkernel menuconfig all
[13:04:22] fryfrog: so what does genkern do? makes a kernel with *every* module as well as making a useful initrd?
[13:04:24] seth|laptop: this is correct, heh
[13:04:32] fryfrog: does it make a highly modulized kernel?
[13:04:39] fryfrog: ie, even ide chipsets are modules?
[13:04:43] Zider: fryfrog: no
[13:04:51] Zider: fryfrog: you still handle the configuring yoyurself
[13:04:55] seth|laptop: makes a bloated kernel, so you are sure that everything will work, I used it twice, about 3 years ago
[13:04:59] seth|laptop: when I was a noob
[13:05:17] Zider: fryfrog: it just handles installing kernel, modules, initrd and stuff for you.. and saving configs
[13:05:22] fryfrog: Zider: but if you *don't* handle it yourself, does it make a modulized one?
[13:05:26] fryfrog: Zider: ah
[13:05:43] fryfrog: maybe i should try it some time
[13:05:46] Zider: fryfrog: if you just run it, it does the same as a non-configured normal kernel does :P
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[13:06:00] fryfrog: you know, i'm not sure what that is
[13:06:07] fryfrog: compile almost nothing?
[13:06:10] fryfrog: almost everything?
[13:06:11] Zider: basically, most stuff as modules
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[13:06:15] fryfrog: ah
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[13:06:31] fryfrog: i wish i could get my sata_nv and sata_sil to load in the order i'd like
[13:06:53] fryfrog: the sata_nv is seen by grub as #1, but once the kernel is finished loading the sata_sil is #1
[13:07:19] fryfrog: makes it nice and confusing when mapping drives in grub to drives on the os :/
[13:07:24] Zider: :P
[13:07:38] Zider: I only have one sata controller luckily..
[13:07:44] Zider: that I use at least
[13:07:56] fryfrog: I've got 2, only 1 port left :)
[13:08:06] fryfrog: must... get... another... 320G drive!
[13:08:09] Zider: hehe..
[13:08:19] Zider: I made sure my mobo had 6 sata :)
[13:08:34] seth|laptop: hey fryfrog, wife gave me the go-ahead to order the armony 880 :-)
[13:08:39] seth|laptop: Harmony even
[13:08:43] fryfrog: i just switched from my forcedeth to sky2 nic, hoping that will resolve the io bound issues
[13:08:49] fryfrog: i made sure mine had 8 ports :)
[13:09:15] fryfrog: course, i guess it still has a few IDE ports... but only the bastard son of santa would mix sata and pata into some sort of a mutant raid5
[13:09:34] fryfrog: seth|laptop: score!
[13:10:12] seth|laptop: well last night, the baby girl spilled apple juice over the ATI, so now we are reduced to keyboard mode, hehe
[13:10:13] fryfrog: for some reason, my raid5 decided that it was dirty and had to re-scrub itself :(
[13:10:31] seth|laptop: I'll have to make sure to thank my daughter, when she is old enoough to understand, hehe
[13:10:45] fryfrog: seth|laptop: ahahha, awsome
[13:10:51] fryfrog: seth|laptop: btw, you can fix that easy
[13:11:02] fryfrog: seth|laptop: take it apart, clean it off with water and let it dry for a few days
[13:11:07] seth|laptop: shhh, don't tell the wife
[13:11:15] fryfrog: ahah
[13:11:18] fryfrog: clean it and send it to me!
[13:11:21] tuck3r: CONFIG_KMOD anybody?
[13:11:31] fryfrog: the only thing i don't like about these ir remotes is they are a bit slow :(
[13:11:40] fryfrog: any idea what it refers to? is ivtv asking for it?
[13:12:00] tuck3r: yep, all i can think of is module loading
[13:12:13] fryfrog: ah, that'd be ...
[13:12:22] fryfrog: yeah, that is the section it is in in my kernel config
[13:12:32] fryfrog: not sure *which* option it refers to, but i have almost all of those set
[13:12:34] tuck3r: found it
[13:12:46] tuck3r: Auto kernel module loading
[13:12:50] fryfrog: ah
[13:12:57] fryfrog: not a very descriptive config name
[13:13:09] fryfrog: autoKmatic module loading? :p
[13:13:32] fryfrog: guess i'll go clean up for a few hours while raid5 sync
[13:13:33] fryfrog: s
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[13:36:33] ChiefB: Hi, can anyone here tell something about mythtv with the USB-Box DEC 3000 s from Hauppauge?
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[13:49:04] tuxi: hi
[13:49:21] tuxi: theres another way to edit channels without the frontend?
[13:50:56] Dagmar: Yeah, get an SQL client and edit the database.
[13:51:21] tuxi: stupid way
[13:51:32] tuck3r: hard != stupid
[13:51:43] Dagmar: Stupid ways for stupid users, I always say
[13:51:48] tuxi: well but not what i searched for
[13:52:26] tuxi: editing the channels over the frontend is a very annoying
[13:52:59] GreyFoxx: can you also do it in mythweb too ?
[13:53:19] GreyFoxx: I'm sure you can
[13:53:24] tuxi: i havent installed mythweb
[13:53:41] GreyFoxx: now is agood time then :)
[13:54:55] Dagmar: I think he's looking for a solution that doesn't require him to actually *do* anything
[13:55:08] Dagmar: You know, "the usual".
[13:55:08] Zider: mind control?
[13:55:17] tuxi: i look for a little program to manage channels
[13:55:19] tuxi: on x
[13:55:26] tuxi: or a textfile with all channels in it
[13:55:49] ** Dagmar points at the leading zero on the MythTV version string. **
[13:55:51] GreyFoxx: tuxi: With myth you have 3 options, mythtv-setup channel editor, mythwebs channel editor, or raw SQL
[13:56:16] GreyFoxx: the mythweb channel editor is pretty simple and you can do several edits at once before submitting the changes
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[14:00:23] tuxi: theres a way to read out the mysql password?
[14:00:37] tuxi: or encrypt /etc/myth/mysql.txt
[14:00:40] Dagmar: Not if it's encrypted
[14:03:30] tuck3r: any way to get debug output from a module besides dmesg? lirc_i2c loads without error but doesn't give any output in dmesg, lirc_dev loads but not lirc_i2c is seems.
[14:03:33] GreyFoxx: tuxi: You want to hide the password from someone on your system ?
[14:03:46] tuxi: no i want it for mythweb
[14:04:25] GreyFoxx: mysql.txt is just plaintext. Whatever is in there is the password
[14:05:15] tuxi: ah.. thx
[14:05:25] seth|laptop: DBPassword is not included in mysql.txt, unless you are using a remote backend as the mysql server, not?
[14:05:36] Dagmar: Since when
[14:05:39] GreyFoxx: seth|laptop: IT should be in there
[14:05:44] GreyFoxx: always
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[14:06:06] seth|laptop: I had to add it setting up knoppmyth as a slave. I'm pretty sure I did.
[14:06:09] GreyFoxx: Otherwise you are telling myth to not use a password
[14:06:31] seth|laptop: I may be mistaken
[14:06:31] GreyFoxx: seth|laptop: Them smack the knoppmyth peoples fingers
[14:06:38] GreyFoxx: it should be in there :)
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[14:10:56] tuxi: mh.. theres no channel editor in mythweb
[14:11:23] GreyFoxx: Look a little harder
[14:11:37] seth|laptop: Click the "Key and Wrench" icon at the top of the page
[14:12:17] GreyFoxx: I've never used it for anything more than changing a couple channel callsigns myself
[14:12:41] seth|laptop: is the "callsign" what shows up in the OSD
[14:12:49] seth|laptop: or is that the "name"
[14:12:58] GreyFoxx: Could be either depending on the OSD
[14:13:05] GreyFoxx: both are available to the OSD
[14:13:16] seth|laptop: Retro, isthmus reworked
[14:13:38] tuxi: okay well thx
[14:13:53] GreyFoxx: Gray-OSD uses the callsign
[14:14:00] GreyFoxx: Otherwise, no idea
[14:14:13] Juski: someone put a spanner in mythweb? oh noes!
[14:14:14] GreyFoxx: Look at the osd.xml and you can see easy enough :)
[14:14:16] Juski: ;-)
[14:14:44] seth|laptop: i guess a better question would be, if I cahnge them to something different, that won't mess up whether or not the ca
[14:14:49] seth|laptop: channel tunes
[14:14:51] GreyFoxx: seth|laptop: It uses the callsign (Retro-OSD) that is
[14:17:06] seth|laptop: My fox HD channel shows up as WPMTDT as a callsign and WPMTDT(WPMT-DT) as the name. I would much rather just see FOX43-HD, so if I change both, it won't affect how the channel tunes?
[14:17:49] ** seth|laptop is obviously a moron :p **
[14:18:02] seth|laptop: Its just so long, hehe
[14:18:21] Juski: try having channels called "discover channel europe" ffs
[14:18:31] seth|laptop: hehe
[14:18:31] Juski: I get to see "DISC"
[14:18:48] Juski: .. if I use livetv, which I don't
[14:18:54] GreyFoxx: seth|laptop: changing those wont affect tuning
[14:19:13] seth|laptop: well I am mostly concerned with WPMTDT2 which is "The Tube" network, I would like to see "The Tube Network" in my OSD
[14:19:16] gardengnome: Juski: same here. i can't get an OSD which doesn't cut off the station name after a few chars
[14:19:31] seth|laptop: good enough for me GreyFoxx, I will modify them
[14:19:35] GreyFoxx: Juski: Yeah, I had to take that into account when making Gray-OSD. Finally I decided some people would just have to suffer :)
[14:20:31] Juski: lemme at it! (narf!)
[14:20:34] GreyFoxx: hehe
[14:20:47] GreyFoxx: I took some names from here into account
[14:21:01] GreyFoxx: but it still will cut off names like you mentioned :)
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[14:22:58] netw1z: anyone here using logitech rumble pads for games?
[14:23:51] GreyFoxx: I just use some usb gamepads, though I'm thinking of picking up some wireless ones to get rid of the wire
[14:24:08] netw1z: i have the wireless ones. they are great so far!
[14:24:39] netw1z: they worked out of the box, but then I mucked the configuration for them
[14:24:41] Juski: 5 mins til hometime.. tick tock
[14:25:19] GreyFoxx: netw1z: Cool. You referring to the logitech wireless ones?
[14:25:27] netw1z: yes
[14:25:52] netw1z: they dont mess with ur WIFI signal at all even though they are 2.4
[14:25:55] netw1z: ghz
[14:26:06] GreyFoxx: I've only got 1 per frontend on acouple of my frontends. But I wouldn't mind going wireless. my wife is tired of tripping over the cable if I'm playing something (which admittedly is rare these days)
[14:26:52] netw1z: even rare, the wireless makes it a lot easier to kick back and enjoy it
[14:26:55] seth|laptop: After changing the channel names/callsigns, is it necessary to run mythfilldatabse?
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[14:28:05] GreyFoxx: seth|laptop: Hmmmmm that I couldn't say
[14:28:37] GreyFoxx: I've never changed the callsigns personally, but just the channel names
[14:28:48] GreyFoxx: the callsign is the real identifier of the channel
[14:28:52] GreyFoxx: at least within myth
[14:33:05] tuck3r: bah, why won't lirc_i2c output something
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[14:34:01] seth|laptop: one way to find out I guess, :-)
[14:45:47] seth|laptop: and the answer is "yes"
[15:09:48] Paladine: someone ping 213.208.84.3 for me please
[15:11:24] seth|laptop: 213.208.84.3 is alive
[15:11:24] seth|laptop: bash-3.00$ ping -s 213.208.84.3
[15:11:25] seth|laptop: PING 213.208.84.3: 56 data bytes
[15:11:25] seth|laptop: 64 bytes from 213.208.84.3: icmp_seq=0. time=220. ms
[15:11:25] seth|laptop: 64 bytes from 213.208.84.3: icmp_seq=1. time=169. ms
[15:11:25] seth|laptop: 64 bytes from 213.208.84.3: icmp_seq=2. time=169. ms
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[15:13:03] Paladine: thanks
[15:13:07] seth|laptop: np
[15:13:16] Paladine: anyone know if you can force curl to use a specified interface?
[15:13:22] seth|laptop: I do it all day, just not ooutside of my little world, hehe
[15:13:26] Paladine: I want it to use eth0:0 instead of eth0
[15:13:53] seth|laptop: set up ipmp and specify the other interface?
[15:14:19] Paladine: ?
[15:14:26] Paladine: I already have the other interface setup
[15:14:29] Paladine: you just pinged it
[15:14:37] Paladine: I just want curl to use it
[15:14:59] Paladine: sok I will check the curl manpage
[15:15:54] seth|laptop: use --interface
[15:16:10] seth|laptop: --interface <name>
[15:17:12] seth|laptop: curl --interface eth0:0 http://www.netscape.com/
[15:17:22] seth|laptop: right from my man page
[15:17:28] ** seth|laptop is a slacker **
[15:18:17] seth|laptop: it is soooo slow here today
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[15:23:56] Paladine: yeah I got it ;)
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[15:29:10] ** stuarta is absolutely smashed **
[15:29:33] stuarta: 4hr lunches have taken their tolll
[15:31:43] Juski: bloody rubbish post office
[15:31:57] Juski: haha nice one stuarta.. fitting end to your last day :)
[15:32:09] stuarta: oh yeah!!!!!
[15:32:21] Juski: I get the feeling that if it wasn't your last day, it would be your last day in that job ;-)
[15:32:35] stuarta: nah, i have standards.....
[15:32:45] Juski: the case badgers arrived today :)
[15:33:08] Juski: the bad news is that I was out (duh), and the sorting office closes at 12.30pm weekdays
[15:33:33] stuarta: bugger.
[15:33:47] Juski: wasted trip to the sorting office.. wankers
[15:33:58] Juski: still at least I know where they are
[15:34:27] Juski: so.. four hour lunch, average 45 mins per pint (max)... eep. loads of booze for midday, that
[15:35:48] stuarta: i'm hanging, thats for sure....
[15:36:42] stuarta: the first one went down without hitting the sides :)
[15:36:54] Juski: haha. fabulous
[15:38:37] stuarta: the 2nd one, only just touched....
[15:38:42] kenguru: uh :/ after mounting different disk to /var/lib/mythtv mythweb gives me this error – data directory is not writable by www-data. Please check permissions.
[15:39:09] Juski: stuarta: and you can still type :)
[15:39:10] qu0zl: check that www-data has write access to the data dir so
[15:39:26] kenguru: qu0zl, is this directory the data directory?
[15:39:26] seth|laptop: actually stuarta is typing better than usual
[15:39:35] kenguru: i set chmod 777 -r there
[15:39:54] stuarta: Juski: it takes about 10x longer than normal :)
[15:39:57] qu0zl: kenguru it's 'ls -al /usr/share/mythtv/mythweb/data' for me
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[15:40:04] qu0zl: the prefix comes from your config i think
[15:40:07] seth|laptop: my bad, I was thinking about scopeuk
[15:40:14] qu0zl: so check /var/lib/mythtv/mythweb/data at a guess
[15:40:37] ** seth|laptop wants to eat lunch where stuarta does, beer sound good **
[15:40:41] qu0zl: chown -R www-data:www-data the mythweb/data dir when you find it
[15:41:22] stuarta: seth|laptop: it's the fact that it's my last day and 1 or 2 of the barmaid are *nice*
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[15:41:44] seth|laptop: thats even better. I still have 15 years here :-(
[15:41:57] seth|laptop: but here is good :-)
[15:42:00] Juski: seth|laptop: they give people less for murder in the UK
[15:42:05] seth|laptop: hehe
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[15:42:29] kenguru: qu0zl, yeah, now it works again
[15:42:30] kenguru: strange.
[15:42:54] ** seth|laptop got lucky, 6 years in the AirForce, gave me 5 years towards retirement. Otherwise it would be 20 years. And 15 sounds better than 2 decades. :-) **
[15:42:55] kenguru: it died during i used mythweb
[15:43:11] stuarta: it's good to know the entire tube network is fucked, as per usual....
[15:43:18] seth|laptop: huh?
[15:43:25] ** seth|laptop loves the tube neetwork **
[15:43:51] Juski: I've not even factored the tube into my trip yet..
[15:43:55] ** seth|laptop everything MTV used to be **
[15:43:59] Juski: I'm still a toob noob ;)
[15:44:03] stuarta: tube is fine if you don't need peak hour....
[15:44:26] kenguru: in mythweb – machine information what disk usage it displays? it ain't /var/lib/mythtv i assume?
[15:44:49] stuarta: Juski: there are somewhere between 6 and 0 tubes between Euston & Olympia.....
[15:44:51] kenguru: just installed 250GB disk for myth.
[15:45:02] ** seth|laptop like the fact that mythweb now reports the available storage on his slave machines as well. **
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[15:45:23] seth|laptop: likes even
[15:45:50] qu0zl: kenguru on my pvr i think it displays diskfree on the partition that holds the mythtv tv storage directory
[15:46:16] kenguru: and that storage directory is at default config ?
[15:46:22] qu0zl: hmm nope
[15:46:36] qu0zl: i've it at a different location than the default, just to be akward
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[15:49:43] zoibee: how can i use spumux with mytharchice?
[15:49:51] zoibee: archive*
[15:51:07] zoibee: need to add subtitle (.srt) when it converts... or convert the srt files and add it to the dvd, if it is possible
[15:51:29] stuarta: later people. places to be....
[15:52:07] brad_mssw: anyone have an issue with zap2it where a channel list you set keeps changing?
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[15:52:13] brad_mssw: on their side?
[15:52:35] brad_mssw: where you keep selecting all channels, but a few days pass and it goes to only having like 5 channels selected ?
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[16:37:45] |Torg|: can someone tell me the differnce between trunk and release-0-20-fixes?
[16:38:12] Juski: trunk is bleeding edge
[16:38:14] BULLE: |Torg|: i can give you a try, im not sure if im right though
[16:38:24] BULLE: |Torg|: Trunk is where active development goes, for 0.21
[16:38:29] Juski: very very new, and might very well break a lot for you
[16:38:42] BULLE: |Torg|: release-0-20-fixes is where fixes for the 0.20 release goes
[16:38:43] seth|laptop: svn fixes broke me
[16:38:48] BULLE: he
[16:39:08] Juski: YMMV
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[16:39:48] seth|laptop: still don't have transcoding working, stinking "perfect: dvd imports, (hard drive shinking dramaticcally
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[16:42:10] seth|laptop: poor hard drive is saying "Where are we going..And what is this basket for..."
[16:43:08] brad_mssw: got a 250G HD, figuring, oh well, most DVRs have half that ... crap, need a 750
[16:43:35] ** seth|laptop still doesn't understand how his direct tv dvr did it with a measley 40GB **
[16:43:47] brad_mssw: apparently most DVRs don't do HD ... freaking 9G/hr
[16:44:02] seth|laptop: wow, I am getting 7.1GB an hour
[16:44:17] netw1z: anyone here using mythgame?
[16:44:23] brad_mssw: well, with commercials, it's less b/c most commercials aren't HD
[16:44:38] brad_mssw: recording off HBO/SHOWTIME though is quite large
[16:45:20] |Torg|: so let me sum this up release-0-19-fix = stable but old, release-0-20-fix = semi-stable but current, trunk = 20 unstable, may even crash?
[16:45:40] seth|laptop: looks aboiut right
[16:45:41] brad_mssw: trunk = 21 unstable
[16:45:52] seth|laptop: ah
[16:46:07] brad_mssw: i find 20 more stable than 19 though
[16:46:16] brad_mssw: not nearly as many frontend crashes
[16:47:10] seth|laptop: my 20 is running good (except transcode) but I'm using the mythtv.org tarballs, svn took me out of production, and the wife's good graces. :-)
[16:47:11] |Torg|: brad Im not sure if your commericals are the same as mine in ATSC but the trend I have seen is to keep the AC3 running and simply downsable the commericals, the frames I get are constant 1080I with AC3 reliably (I *think* its done to make it more stable not relly hide commercials), the sum effect is the MPEG stream is slightly but not apreicably smaller
[16:47:35] |Torg|: and I found 20 to be unstable for my video which is why I went back to .19
[16:47:48] |Torg|: unfortunatly I belive .19 to be too slow to run HDTV reliably
[16:48:11] seth|laptop: my HD did improve with 20
[16:48:25] seth|laptop: but I use OTA, I can't get the HBO's and what not
[16:48:44] brad_mssw: no, commercials here don't have AC3 ... so it's definitely different, and I'm pretty sure they downgrade from 1080I, though I'd have to check the stream
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[16:49:19] |Torg|: I know the commericals differ in stream about 500M tho, seth and I proved that about 2 weeks ago
[16:49:28] seth|laptop: my commercials must be downsized, they even shink on the screen, occupy the center rather than the whole screen, and they are about 30% louder than my HD
[16:50:00] |Torg|: yes seth many of mine do too, but if you watch the decoder you will find they are still HDTV but letterboxed
[16:50:01] seth|laptop: and my reciever switches from dolby digital to prologic during them
[16:50:29] seth|laptop: I'll have to watch that
[16:50:35] |Torg|: and usualy my decoder swtiches, but receintly it has been staying on, its just 2 channel AC#
[16:50:37] |Torg|: err 3
[16:51:45] |Torg|: Id like to think they are doing this to make the stream look more uniform and stop the MV errors I have been getting, altho the conspiracy theorist says they do this simply to make commerical skipping hard
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[16:51:49] fish: re
[16:52:25] |Torg|: I have seen commercaials with fake logos on the bottom which I can only conclude are an attempt to fool some heuistics for skipping
[16:52:37] fish: which hdtv+dvb-s card should i buy for mythtv? ;)
[16:52:38] seth|laptop: most of my recordings are from fox, malcom in the middle king of the hill and that 70's show, they are always prologic, and only occupy the center of the screen, but when something like bones, house, or standoff come on, it fills the screen and switched to d-digital
[16:52:58] |Torg|: I do mostly ABC, NBC and PBS
[16:53:11] seth|laptop: all of my pbs recordings fill the screen
[16:53:29] |Torg|: I *think* the advertisers are simply getting more sneeky about the commercails they make
[16:53:36] seth|laptop: but I just map "w" to my remote, so I can cycle aspect ratio
[16:53:46] |Torg|: my guess is we will see HDTV commerical by this time next year
[16:54:00] |Torg|: my ABC and NBC bcast at 1080I, PBS is at 720P
[16:54:02] seth|laptop: I have noticed that lately to, where before commflag would catch 5 or 6 breaks, no its only catching about 4
[16:54:09] |Torg|: one of the things I would LOVE to make work is xrandr
[16:54:17] |Torg|: unfortunaly THAT is what .20 screwed up
[16:54:27] seth|laptop: what does xrandr do?
[16:54:36] |Torg|: switch video resolution on the fly
[16:54:40] seth|laptop: sweet
[16:54:47] seth|laptop: i didn't know that existed
[16:54:52] |Torg|: expect it crashed nvdidia reliably :P
[16:55:07] seth|laptop: well thats what I have
[16:55:18] seth|laptop: 6100 on board
[16:55:29] |Torg|: 80% of what I record is 1080I but my guide looks wrong in it, and I perfer 720P for the guide
[16:55:45] ** seth|laptop googles xrandr **
[16:55:50] |Torg|: flash 720P to 1080I then back to 720P and you will freeze X11 hard
[16:56:03] ivor: seth|laptop: x rotation and resolution
[16:56:30] |Torg|: seth do you use NVIDIA XvMC?
[16:56:45] seth|laptop: no, libffmpeg and bobx2
[16:56:54] |Torg|: and HDTV works?
[16:57:02] seth|laptop: perfectly
[16:57:08] seth|laptop: with color OSD
[16:57:15] |Torg|: how fast is your CPU?
[16:57:26] seth|laptop: AMD64 3200+
[16:57:41] BULLE: how much cpu is ised for displaying hdtv ? roughly ?
[16:57:46] |Torg|: I have a P4 3Ghz and it damn near chokes to death doing that
[16:57:48] BULLE: on your setup
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[16:58:11] |Torg|: in mine? about 40% with no interlace, extra sound buffering and XvMC
[16:58:12] seth|laptop: 52 to 58% frontend 10 to 15% X
[16:58:18] |Torg|: thats 40% of the primary core
[16:58:48] |Torg|: seth can you dump your mythconverg and send me your config?
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[16:59:09] seth|laptop: I just went through this with Human from knoppmyth, as he is working on the AMD64 R5D1 issue , so i had it written down, hehe
[16:59:34] seth|laptop: I could if I knew how to do that? which config do you need
[16:59:51] |Torg|: its actauly just one of the databse tables:)
[17:00:02] |Torg|: the command is "mysqldump mythconverg"
[17:00:12] |Torg|: ill assume you want to pipe it to something other then your screen
[17:00:34] |Torg|: so "mysqldump mythconverg > mythconverg.sql"
[17:00:49] |Torg|: btw you should be doing this as a normal corse of your myth operation
[17:01:18] |Torg|: the output is an SQL (text) file for recreating the database, compress it and archive it (like with rdist or something) to your frontend
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[17:03:26] |Torg|: if you want I can give you my "ugly but effective" mysql archiveer :)
[17:03:46] |Torg|: I run it via cron every night and keep copies all over the place (yes im paranoid)
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[17:07:50] seth|laptop: I need to set up mail on my system at home, give me a minute or two to sort this out, ;-)
[17:09:30] |Torg|: here seth copy this script somewhere and you cn use it to backup and archive your database
[17:09:31] |Torg|: http://pastebin.ca/212018
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[17:14:22] Ediehow: xris, you there?
[17:14:24] Ediehow: i am having a problem
[17:14:35] Ediehow: i can change channels within myth, as it uses my change_channel script
[17:14:43] Ediehow: but this morning it was recording a program that was to be on 168
[17:15:27] Ediehow: but it was doing so on 106, which is where i left it last night, and where i have a "wakeup call" at 3am turn the channel to
[17:15:33] Ediehow: because dishnetwork's box has some stupid screen saver
[17:15:47] Ediehow: is there a reason while i am watching livetv i can change the channel but recordings cannot?
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[17:16:16] xris: Ediehow: no
[17:16:40] Ediehow: xris, do you know anything about screen savers on stbs?
[17:16:45] xris: but I would recommend you send that "select" sequence every time you try to change channels
[17:16:50] xris: that dish screen saver sucks
[17:16:52] Ediehow: xris, i read about that
[17:17:05] Ediehow: so you should send SELECT 205
[17:17:08] xris: yeah
[17:17:10] Ediehow: to change to channel 205?
[17:17:11] xris: that's what I used to do
[17:17:30] xris: I also had a timer that sent SELECT every 4 hours or something like that since the screensaver kicks in about that often.
[17:17:30] Ediehow: so every single time i issue change_channel script, have it run select first?
[17:17:50] Ediehow: oh, in case you watched something 4 hours long?
[17:18:22] Ediehow: xris, so i can just tell cron.hourly or whatever to do irsend SEND_ONCE DISH_1 select?
[17:18:47] xris: Ediehow: something like that, yeah
[17:19:01] Ediehow: do you think that would cause problems, since programs start on the hour?
[17:19:13] Ediehow: i mean, would myth try to change the channel before or after that?
[17:19:22] |Torg|: run it 5 mins after every hour then
[17:19:26] Ediehow: or is that why you recommend running select hourly or so AND every time you use script?
[17:19:48] Ediehow: if i have it run 5 minutes after every hour, do i need to run select in change channel script too?
[17:20:16] xris: not hourly.. but like you said, it's to make sure it doesn't go to sleep when recording a long show like the olympics
[17:20:27] |Torg|: that I dont know, i just know you dont HAVE to make cron run on the hour mark :)
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[17:20:51] xris: |Torg|: you don't want to run it off the hour becuase it makes an overlay pop up for a few seconds that's annoying mid-recording
[17:21:23] |Torg|: cant you just disable the STV screensaver?
[17:21:31] |Torg|: err STB
[17:21:35] Ediehow: |Torg|, i wish
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[17:22:17] Ediehow: xris, so regardless, you think i should modify script to issue select BEFORE the channel change. roght?
[17:23:22] xris: correct
[17:23:47] Ediehow: is that for other reasons than just screensaver?
[17:24:30] seth|laptop: can't seem to get sendmail working,if this is the case, I will send it out later
[17:24:40] seth|laptop: can't run thunderbird from here, hehe
[17:25:02] |Torg|: ok np I just wanted to see what configuration options you were using that I had somehow differnt
[17:25:18] seth|laptop: ok, I got it
[17:25:24] seth|laptop: needed to change the config
[17:25:27] seth|laptop: .cf file
[17:25:28] |Torg|: I cant really believe and AMD cpu is on the order of 2x faster then an Intel at HDTV
[17:25:43] |Torg|: so it must be simply what I have configured differing from what you have
[17:26:08] |Torg|: seth are you editing the .cf directly?
[17:26:20] Ediehow: xris, is that for other reasons than just screensaver?
[17:27:15] Ediehow: mythtv blows up when i try to change channel up or down
[17:27:22] seth|laptop: the file is 44MB
[17:27:28] |Torg|: did you compress it?
[17:27:29] Ediehow: as opposed to typing the number in
[17:28:08] Ediehow: xris, do you have your channel change script that you used?
[17:28:51] seth|laptop: nope, hang on
[17:29:11] seth|laptop: 3.5MB now
[17:29:26] |Torg|: hehe its text, 10:1 comression is not uncommon
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[17:30:45] seth|laptop: i used the command from your script :-)
[17:31:29] seth|laptop: brb the SAN is barking
[17:31:33] seth|laptop: bad doggy
[17:31:45] |Torg|: good bzip2 comporesses about 40% smaller on text files then gzip
[17:31:55] |Torg|: you have a SAN at home?
[17:31:57] xris: Ediehow: sorry.. couldn't find it.
[17:32:59] Ediehow: the one i am using, if i do up or down to browse through channels then hit enter, mythtv closes
[17:33:08] Ediehow: but if i type it in, like 205, it works, often
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[17:37:09] seth|laptop: no, here at work, one of my cohorts was moving some BCV's around, and it made the DR SAN bark
[17:37:14] seth|laptop: its all ok now.
[17:37:46] seth|laptop: I do have a fiber attached sparcstorage array at home, but no fancy zoning, just a ZFS jbod
[17:37:58] |Torg|: umm moving a BVC shouldnt be detrimental to your SAN :P
[17:39:30] seth|laptop: well it is when they are not re-established, and the backround script catches it
[17:40:01] |Torg|: you should disable whatever script that is making copies if you want to change the BCVs
[17:40:10] seth|laptop: they did not know that
[17:40:13] seth|laptop: they do now, hehe
[17:40:22] |Torg|: umm then get them the hell off the SAN :P
[17:40:33] |Torg|: leme guess this is a DBA doing it?
[17:40:38] seth|laptop: she has been doing it longer than me, hehe
[17:40:57] seth|laptop: but the bossman is over there now,perhaps she will not be doing so i the future
[17:41:28] seth|laptop: wow my mail server is slow
[17:41:35] |Torg|: did she crash an app or just the DR scripts?
[17:41:37] seth|laptop: still don't have it here at work yet
[17:41:42] seth|laptop: DR scripts
[17:41:48] seth|laptop: but openview doesn't care
[17:41:55] |Torg|: oh then probbly nobody but you care
[17:42:04] seth|laptop: and the boss
[17:42:12] |Torg|: I take it yor the SAN admin or the DR one
[17:42:48] seth|laptop: I am a SAN tech, she is the admin, if you want to call it that, but she mostly handles the backups
[17:42:54] seth|laptop: I move and carve
[17:43:07] seth|laptop: and give it to veritas
[17:43:35] |Torg|: then it sounds like your SAN admin needs traning :P
[17:43:40] seth|laptop: but she was on the phone with EMC, and they told her to do it
[17:44:18] |Torg|: her first mistake was to allow first level tech support know more about here SAN infrastuture then her :P
[17:44:22] seth|laptop: I hope the file size and type don't flag that message in the exchange server
[17:44:28] |Torg|: or at least *think* they did
[17:45:03] ** seth|laptop doesn't think EMC has any technical people, they are always giving us issues **
[17:45:38] ** seth|laptop can't wait for FY 2007, get rid of EMC, aquire Hitachi solution **
[17:45:43] |Torg|: actually most of the highly technical people in EMC work in burlington in the labs, they use allot of 3rd party to get the stuff installed
[17:46:14] |Torg|: Hitachi is somewhat les confusing but also is harder to manage
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[17:46:38] |Torg|: you are used to breaking off BCVs and moving them, wait untill you see HORCM on an Hitachi :)
[17:47:10] |Torg|: altho with the Hitachi you can at least track what parity group your LUN is on
[17:47:28] |Torg|: with your EMC you have to have somoene read the bin file and map it for you
[17:48:20] tuck3r: anybody using the lirc ebuild on gentoo?
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[17:52:25] unicorn___: hi all. I have channels setup to use different video sources. However in Live TV I get only the channels of one of the video sources
[17:53:05] unicorn___: why are the other channels hidden?
[17:53:23] kormoc: did you switch sources?
[17:55:02] unicorn___: I have my channels scanned with coorect frequencies. For 2 of the channels I changed the video source so that it is associated with a different grabber
[17:55:41] kormoc: and you associated that new videosource with a tuner?
[17:55:54] kormoc: (and I didn't think you could do multiple video sources in a single tuner)
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[17:56:15] unicorn___: hmm let me check
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[17:57:47] AlfadorJanus: whats the best method of using mythTV to play AVI files off another computer (running windows)
[17:58:14] unicorn___: kormoc, question regarding mythfilldatabase --manual -sourceid 4. will the command find all the channels with sourceid 4 and use xmltvid to associate the listing ?
[17:58:34] tuck3r: AlfadorJanus: samba?
[17:58:35] kormoc: no idea, I've never used that tool like that, so I couldn't really say
[17:58:53] unicorn___: or will it run grabber 4, get all listings for the channels and try to populate the channels defined in the grabber config
[17:59:50] AlfadorJanus: how do you play the files once oyu get it mounted?
[17:59:57] AlfadorJanus: does it need a plugin
[18:00:01] AlfadorJanus: or do you use the TV plugin?
[18:00:05] kormoc: AlfadorJanus, mythvideo
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[18:03:29] unicorn___: kormoc, do I have to switch video source in input connections? Can't I use the same tuner for different sources?
[18:04:38] unicorn___: I have a few channels that use a different source, since they use a different grabber. But they are on the same tuner
[18:05:35] tank-man: how do you have 1 tuner with different sources?
[18:06:00] tank-man: it has 2 tuners in 1 card?
[18:06:45] unicorn___: I do have 2 tuners in one card. but even with one tuner I have scanned my channels. I use the uk grabber for most of the channels
[18:07:08] unicorn___: but for a few I get wrong listing, so I want to use a different grabber for those channels
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[18:13:12] unicorn___: for example for CNN I get wrong listings, so I change it's source id to be a different grabber. I suppose when mythfilldatabase runs it will check the sourceid and assigne correct listings. I don't understand why the video sources is associated with a tuner
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[18:14:28] |Torg|: what would you prefer a source be bound to then?
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[18:18:43] Juski: is not having the right listings for CNN really such a big deal?
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[18:19:12] Juski: you know.. you could always customise your grabber a bit
[18:19:54] tuck3r: in 0.20, does mplayer to do with mythtv?
[18:20:04] Juski: or make something like a script which downloads both sets of guides but pulls them together into one xmltv file, then run mythfilldatabase on that file
[18:20:26] Juski: does mplayer to do with mythtv? what do you mean by that?
[18:20:43] tuck3r: er, does mythtv need mplayer for anything anymore (been up to long)
[18:20:56] Juski: tuck3r: it never needed mplayer
[18:21:12] tuck3r: well the plugins
[18:21:24] Juski: mythvideo was the only thing which used mplayer by default, but you've always been able to change that
[18:21:28] |Torg|: I belvie he means does mythtv use mplayer to render video files or does it totaly rely upon its internal player now
[18:21:36] gardengnome: Juski: mythdvd used mplayer, too, iirc.
[18:21:39] Juski: anyway – the default player for mythvideo is now 'Internal'
[18:21:43] Juski: and mythdvd
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[18:22:00] tuck3r: thats what i meant, thanks
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[18:22:03] Juski: mplayer was never a dependency though
[18:22:44] seth|laptop: Juski: now under my dvd settings, my dvd player is set to Internal, does it need to be changed to mythdvd?
[18:22:51] Juski: seth|laptop: nope
[18:22:55] seth|laptop: ok
[18:23:04] seth|laptop: I was going to say , it actually worked
[18:23:09] seth|laptop: using Internal
[18:23:12] Juski: I came back up here to do something & now I can't remember what it was
[18:23:38] seth|laptop: sneak ito the window of the sorting house, and retrieve the case badges?
[18:23:44] Juski: hahaha
[18:23:51] Juski: I don't want em that badly
[18:24:00] Juski: they'll be mine by 10am tomorrow
[18:24:11] seth|laptop: set up a paypal account for future transactions
[18:24:21] seth|laptop: j/k
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[18:24:38] Juski: that's actually on my 'to do' list :)
[18:25:00] ** gardengnome wants one, too. **
[18:25:05] gardengnome: for my new box :)
[18:25:09] |Torg|: what a paypal merchant account :)
[18:25:10] Juski: aha! I need to make a small advert for my case badgers so people know they're on sale at the expo
[18:25:29] tuck3r: another question, does mythdvd use libdvdnav and libdvdcss? i can compile without them but not sure if i can play CSS encrypted DVDs
[18:25:48] Juski: nah sod that when people see em they'll want em
[18:26:05] Juski: tuck3r: you need libdvdnav AFAIK
[18:26:16] Juski: or you won't be able to use menus on DVDs
[18:26:22] gardengnome: Juski: bring a gun in case you need to create demand.
[18:26:31] Juski: gardengnome: sssh
[18:26:56] Juski: there's a section in the exhibitor's manual about what we should do in the event of a tourist attack actually.. quite disconcerting
[18:27:45] |Torg|: is there a part about not wearing dark hoodies and running from the SAS into the undergound :P
[18:27:48] gardengnome: sell 'em something? ;)
[18:27:58] Juski: I'll keep an eye out for those Freevo guys
[18:29:05] Juski: |Torg|: so I'd better not take a massive aluminium flightcase on the underground then... especially not the one with a countdown timer in big LEDs on the outside
[18:29:43] Juski: that's always puzzled me actually. If I was to make a b... I'd never bother with the display or beeper.. or tidy wiring. I mean why go to all the effort?
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[18:29:50] Juski: ;-)
[18:29:51] |Torg|: naa all you need is a baggy jacket, no need for a napsack or anything. theyll jump you and shoot you when your on the ground
[18:30:09] Juski: cool. I always wanted to be on the front page of every newspaper
[18:31:07] |Torg|: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8655541/
[18:31:18] |Torg|: I was about 2 blocks away when it happend
[18:31:27] Juski: what worried me most about that shooting (apart from the fact it took place) was the coverup
[18:32:30] Juski: aaanyway...
[18:32:33] |Torg|: what worried me the most is that the police commisioner actualy defended policy and said it was "difficult"
[18:32:46] ** Juski beers himself **
[18:32:56] |Torg|: anyway
[18:33:05] |Torg|: I want a pic of one of these cases, got one?
[18:33:19] Juski: ponder... should I unleash projectgrayhem 2.0 tonight or not? hmmm
[18:33:44] Juski: no.. not yet. I need to put some tunes on minidisc for the journey first
[18:34:05] gardengnome: there were failed bomb attacks? interesting. i completely did not notice.
[18:34:09] seth|laptop: question for you HDTV owners. Is it possible to go right from VGA or DVI on the video card into HDMI ?
[18:34:21] |Torg|: yes seth I do it
[18:34:28] seth|laptop: VGA or DVI
[18:34:33] seth|laptop: I only have VGA
[18:34:33] |Torg|: DVI
[18:34:40] |Torg|: its simply a cable
[18:35:17] kormoc: erm
[18:35:18] seth|laptop: well, If I move into this new house, I want this Hitachi 65" CRT Projection TV, and it says it takes HDMI
[18:35:24] kormoc: vga to hdmi is not able
[18:35:27] kormoc: VGA is analog
[18:35:30] seth|laptop: ah
[18:35:34] kormoc: DVI/DHMI is digital
[18:35:37] |Torg|: I said DVI to HDMI is a cable :P
[18:35:42] seth|laptop: so I need a pci express video card with DVI
[18:35:44] |Torg|: I never said I use VGA to HDMI
[18:36:08] kormoc: |Torg|, no, but you didn't really say explicitly the other way, which as you can see, seth|laptop took it, so I was just clearing it up :P
[18:36:12] |Torg|: in fact I was looking up the prices on the VGA to HDMI converters, its generally cheaper to just get a new video card
[18:36:32] kormoc: seth|laptop, it doesn't need to be pci-e
[18:37:03] seth|laptop: well my mobo has 2 pci slots (2 x air2pc cards) and 2 pci-e slots
[18:37:09] seth|laptop: so I have to :-(
[18:37:19] seth|laptop: but they are about the same price as agp
[18:37:37] |Torg|: oh and when you get the DVI to HDMI cable you DONT have to go buy the expensive ones, some are over $100 but god only knows why
[18:37:46] seth|laptop: wife says I have $2000 to spend on a new TV, and whatever else I need
[18:38:06] |Torg|: does the wife know about the $250 bulbs?
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[18:38:28] kormoc: |Torg|, but the solid gold cables give a much nicer sound!
[18:38:39] kormoc: |Torg|, bulbs? for what?
[18:38:48] seth|laptop: yes the hdmi cable at circuit city they "recommend" is $124, I wonder if they have these bulbs
[18:38:57] |Torg|: a DLP projector, what he was talking about when he said projector TV
[18:39:09] kormoc: ooh, missed that
[18:39:11] seth|laptop: this says CRT Projection, is that different
[18:39:12] ** Juski has nothing but Monster cables in his setup. they're simply _worth_ the extra $1000 per wire, man – honestly **
[18:39:14] |Torg|: and you wont hardly find bulbs for any DLP at any of the stores
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[18:39:46] tuck3r: seth|laptop: thats front projection (i think)
[18:39:51] |Torg|: I dont put audio over my DVI cable (dint evne know you could) but at 3 meters the gold does not make a damn bit of differnce
[18:39:56] seth|laptop: does it take these bulbs?
[18:40:24] tuck3r: yes, it takes bulbs
[18:40:30] seth|laptop: ack
[18:40:31] ** Juski cranks up some DJ Yoda **
[18:40:33] brad_mssw: i can see monster cable for analog ... but is it really necessary for digital over short distances ? I wouldn't think so ... I would assume digital would be packet based with some sort of PLC
[18:40:52] |Torg|: I agree brad, and my tests have proved it time and time again
[18:40:57] seth|laptop: yes this one is front projection
[18:41:05] kormoc: |Torg|, HDMI is just DVI with HDCP copy protection and audio
[18:41:17] tuck3r: seth|laptop: got the room for it?
[18:41:52] tuck3r: and depending on the room you put it in, you might have to get a screen
[18:42:14] seth|laptop: the new living room is 23ft (8meters) by 18ft(6 meters)
[18:42:25] |Torg|: thanks kormoc, I jsut know its the cable I connect my video card to the TV with. Sound come sout of the spdif connector on the sound card
[18:42:42] seth|laptop: this is a self enclosed 65" TV, I shouldn't need a screen
[18:42:47] seth|laptop: its built in
[18:42:53] brad_mssw: seth|laptop: then it's not front-projection
[18:42:56] tuck3r: seth|laptop: thats rear projection
[18:42:59] seth|laptop: ok
[18:43:12] seth|laptop: just like the 43" I have now
[18:43:32] kormoc: I'm a sucker for LCD tv's, so personally, I wouldn't bother with projectors or CRTs
[18:43:37] seth|laptop: but that stays with the old house, as it is built into the wall
[18:43:39] kormoc: but they are a bit pricey
[18:43:47] tuck3r: CRT is older than DLP, of course DLP is much better
[18:44:02] |Torg|: I still think the DLPs are better, even if I do have to keep extra bulbs on hand
[18:44:04] brad_mssw: i've got a 57" Hitachi CRT (rear) projection that's a couple years old ... quality on CRT projection isn't that great, when you start looking at things like the clarity of fonts when you hook up a HTPC ...
[18:44:11] brad_mssw: DLP or LCD is the way to go these days
[18:44:13] seth|laptop: well this one is only $1500, that leaves me extra money for cables, bulbs, and a couple of 300GB Hard Drives
[18:44:39] brad_mssw: seth|laptop: the bulbs thing was for front-projection
[18:44:47] seth|laptop: well that is good news
[18:44:55] |Torg|: I have a 61" JVC, I have to replace the bulb init about once a year
[18:45:01] tuck3r: brad_mssw: no, rear projection have bulbs also
[18:45:06] BULLE: |Torg|: sounds expensive
[18:45:14] |Torg|: bulb thing is for the DLP, front in a projector, or reer in a TV
[18:45:17] |Torg|: they both use them
[18:45:33] |Torg|: yes BULLE its called a bonus check :P
[18:45:38] BULLE: hehe
[18:45:47] seth|laptop: yeah, here is from the specs – Projection technology CRT(tube) rear projection
[18:45:57] |Torg|: it cost me $4500 3 years ago, there down to $3000 now
[18:46:03] tuck3r: or LCD/CRT projectors. basically all * projectors have bulbs
[18:46:29] seth|laptop: but it does 1080i
[18:46:35] charlieS: that's pretty much the only way to project light :))
[18:46:41] seth|laptop: right now I only have 480p
[18:46:54] tuck3r: seth|laptop: are you a size whore?
[18:47:13] |Torg|: no I thnk he simply wants 720P/1080i
[18:47:18] seth|laptop: no, I was actually looking at a 52", but for 400 dollars more, 67" would be nice
[18:47:28] Juski: heheh. woo I miss making analogue recordings.. VU meters look so cool
[18:47:36] |Torg|: go look at it in a store, and compare the picture to the other TVs
[18:47:44] |Torg|: I wasnt too impressed with its picture
[18:47:44] seth|laptop: I will do that
[18:47:55] tuck3r: you could get a LCD/Plasma if you will take a smaller size
[18:47:56] seth|laptop: take my mythtop along, and see what it does
[18:48:00] charlieS: that's less than useful, since TVs in stores are adjusted in a fuckered up manner.
[18:48:08] kormoc: I wouldn't get a plasma
[18:48:14] tuck3r: ChanServ: bright and blue!
[18:48:15] kormoc: the one we have here at work has aweful burn-in
[18:48:19] Juski: next dilemma.. do I install ubuntu on my wife's laptop, and will I get away with it?
[18:48:23] kormoc: and it started within 6 months
[18:48:25] tuck3r: kormoc: that has been solved
[18:48:26] |Torg|: actly its the lighitng the screw with, but you can see then side by side to give you a good comparision
[18:48:37] kormoc: tuck3r, ooh? how recent?
[18:48:45] BULLE: tuck3r: nah
[18:48:46] kormoc: tuck3r, cause this plasma is less then a year old
[18:49:00] BULLE: plasma still do suffer from burn-in effects
[18:49:04] |Torg|: the DLPs have anti-burning by design
[18:49:06] BULLE: but to a much lesser extent then earlier
[18:49:19] Juski: even CRT can suffer from burnin
[18:49:30] tuck3r: BULLE: they have the burnin clean mode now
[18:49:36] |Torg|: CRTs are the worst at burnin
[18:49:47] charlieS: my LCD had burning.
[18:49:47] BULLE: tuck3r: yes, but it doesnt work that great
[18:49:48] kormoc: tuck3r, hrm?
[18:49:56] charlieS: until I power-cycled it..
[18:50:05] charlieS: burnin* wow I messed that up :)
[18:50:07] BULLE: charlieS: sounds more like a software glitch
[18:50:25] charlieS: it was a joke..
[18:50:27] tuck3r: kormoc: it has this more where is runs colors to clear the burn in
[18:50:45] Juski: haha yeah but the overall effect will be a dimming of the screen
[18:50:46] tuck3r: mode*
[18:51:11] Juski: the perils of being an early adopter
[18:51:12] kormoc: tuck3r, yeah, we tried that, it made some of it better, but made some of it worse
[18:51:13] ** kormoc shrugs **
[18:51:29] |Torg|: and seth I would look at the Samsung HL-S6187W over the Hitachi, its more expensive but it can to 1080P as well as have a picure that is much clearer and brighter
[18:51:32] tuck3r: meh, i'm getting a LCD anyways :P
[18:51:42] |Torg|: were I to replace my current tv I would buy the samsung
[18:51:44] kormoc: I have a lcd with image ghosting, it's strange
[18:52:10] seth|laptop: another question, if the tv's native mode is 16:9 will that eliminate the black bars at the top and bottom of the screen, which I currently experience
[18:52:17] tuck3r: if i stay in here i will be afraid to buy a TV ever again
[18:52:23] |Torg|: seth, yes and no
[18:52:35] |Torg|: yes sometimes, no not all of the time
[18:52:36] kormoc: http://www.dslwebserver.com/main/fr_index.htm . . . en-burn.html
[18:53:10] seth|laptop: well I still have the "W" button mapped on my remote
[18:53:13] seth|laptop: :-)
[18:53:19] kormoc: sadly my image persistence on my one lcd is just not going away
[18:53:20] Juski: for anyone looking at getting a new TV, I recommend you read lots of reviews & forum threads. I fyou think you're confused now... muhahahaha
[18:53:32] kormoc: it's a dell lcd like the ones they talk about on that website
[18:53:41] kormoc: my samsungs don't have anything like it
[18:54:02] seth|laptop: I wonder how hard getting the right ModLines will be
[18:54:07] |Torg|: my Sony's are fine
[18:54:14] seth|laptop: I see that in the knoppmyth forums all the time
[18:54:23] tuck3r: Juski: yeah, i would just love to have one person his TV was a work of god himself and somebody else say it blew up the first time he turned it on
[18:54:29] |Torg|: seth it depends greatly on who you talk to :) I spend about a week tweeking mine
[18:54:41] ** seth|laptop will hire |Torg| **
[18:54:56] |Torg|: hell Ill jsut send you my conf file
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[18:55:20] JoeyJoeJo: is there a frontend build for .20 for intel macs?
[18:55:21] seth|laptop: actually the default knoppmyth-nvidia setup script has quite a few of them preset, you just need to uncomment them and try them I guess
[18:55:24] |Torg|: for that matter you can simply EDID the modes, its what I do with 1080I becas the stupid damn NVIDIA driver cant seemt o realise 1080I is interlaced
[18:55:29] Juski: so hdmi will do away with the need for modelines yes? hahaha
[18:55:29] tuck3r: kormoc: my desktop LCD is getting weird lines across the center, i need to send it back
[18:56:08] |Torg|: I dunno if its because I use HDMI or what, I just know EDID is the only relaible way to get 1080I out of my JVC
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[18:56:23] jblack_: Hi. For some reason I don't have any guide data after 10/21
[18:56:27] Juski: fucking hell guy this Yoda dude can DJ
[18:56:40] Juski: jblack_: there's no 21st month
[18:56:46] |Torg|: ModeLine "ATSC-1080–60i" 77.8 1920 1952 2240 2272 540 551 558 569 +hsync +vsync Interlace
[18:56:49] kormoc: jblack_, zap2it?
[18:56:52] seth|laptop: jblack_ have you run mythfilldatabse recently?
[18:56:53] GreyFoxx: jblack_: zap2it acount expired ?
[18:57:01] jblack_: kormoc: Yes, seth|laptop: Yes, greyfoxx: no.
[18:57:11] GreyFoxx: Go to the TV->Status screen, see if it says anything
[18:58:06] jblack_: info center says "started: 2006-10–20, ended 2006-10–20, result, mythfilldatabase ran, but did not insert data", also says there is data to 2006-11–01.
[18:58:36] jblack_: subscription expires on 12/24/06
[19:00:19] kormoc: and running it by hand says?
[19:00:41] jblack_: I'm running it by hand again now, with the output redirected to a log.
[19:00:48] jblack_: Its running wget a lot.
[19:00:54] kormoc: as it should
[19:00:56] |Torg|: its suposed to run wget
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[19:02:38] jblack_: I've put the log up at http://rafb.net/paste/results/n7ssif84.html
[19:04:05] kormoc: jblack_, try running mythfilldb --refresh-all
[19:04:16] kormoc: just to force it to refresh everything
[19:04:38] brad_mssw: jblack_: did you check your channel lineup at zap2it ? make sure all the checkboxes were checked?
[19:04:50] brad_mssw: jblack_: I've been having a problem with zap2it recently _changing_ my settings
[19:04:52] jblack_: Yeah. Including channels i don't have.
[19:04:58] jblack_: I'll check that
[19:05:24] |Torg|: check your susbscrition under localbordcast to see what channels you have selected too
[19:05:30] brad_mssw: jblack_: they literally had all the channels unchecked except 5 ... i'd keep rechecking them all, and a couple days later, it would go back that way ... very annoying
[19:05:38] jblack_: All the channels (even the ones I don't have) are checked.
[19:05:39] |Torg|: I have to implictly tll it not to include the SDTV channels
[19:05:49] |Torg|: uncheck the ones you dont have
[19:05:59] |Torg|: or dont want
[19:06:19] jblack_: Ok. I usually hid them with myth-setup
[19:06:47] |Torg|: every time I run mythfilldatabase they come back, I had to implictly remove then from DD
[19:07:34] jblack_: A couple weeks ago I changed myth from doing auto scan (which gave every channel a name like "Adding channel 28" to using livedirect.
[19:08:23] jblack_: I thought that as longer than a couple weeks ago, but since I only have 2 days left... anyways, at the time, it complained.. a lot about things like "Looking for 150 shows between 6pm and midnight, but only found 60". something like that.
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[19:09:24] jblack_: I have no idea if that's relevant or not. Just mentioning it in case I did something stupid and didn't realize it. :)
[19:10:00] |Torg|: Data refresh needed because no data exists for day @ offset 13 from 6PM – midnight.
[19:10:00] |Torg|: that?
[19:10:48] jblack_: I may have seen that too... This was more like day 5, then day 6, then day 7... a complaint of the next day having less than half (wanted 160, got 63).. stuff like that.
[19:10:58] jblack_: And it did it for somehting like 8 or 9 days.
[19:11:16] |Torg|: its normal for it to say that at 12 days, as it is the limit of the data
[19:11:17] xzcvczx: seth|laptop: you around?
[19:11:40] jblack_: Oh, this wawsn't just at day 12, but at days 5,6,7.. all the way to 12
[19:11:44] |Torg|: if its doing it at 5, 6, 7 etc its becase DD is updating (or more like the bcasters changed the listing)
[19:12:00] jblack_: woot! --refresh-all fixed it. :)
[19:12:11] seth|laptop: xzcvczx: I'm here
[19:12:24] xzcvczx: seth|laptop: you were the one with an xbox eh?
[19:12:45] seth|laptop: yes
[19:13:01] unicorn___: is anyone facing the problem with Live TV freezing on program end?
[19:13:08] xzcvczx: it only has a red led and a green led?
[19:13:32] jblack_: Now I have data all the way up to 11/1 at 6pm
[19:13:41] seth|laptop: if i am not mistaken mine only has 1 led
[19:13:55] Juski: xzcvczx: yeah green + red == yellow/orange
[19:13:58] xzcvczx: well yeah but its a bi-color red/green?
[19:13:58] seth|laptop: it is green/amber
[19:14:08] seth|laptop: there ya go
[19:14:09] Juski: green/red
[19:14:11] Juski: green/red
[19:14:16] xzcvczx: lol
[19:14:35] Juski: one on at a time gives you green or red, both on gives you yellow/amber
[19:14:55] seth|laptop: well ok then, that is what I have
[19:15:03] |Torg|: its a bi-color led and can disply 3 colors (one of the other, or both)
[19:15:05] |Torg|: thats all
[19:15:10] xzcvczx: well im going to use the green one for power and the red one for hdd (how original huh)
[19:15:34] Juski: well... in the case of the 2-lead bi-colour LEDs, you only ever get red or green
[19:15:36] ** seth|laptop never had it apart, soft-modded it with xebian and the mechawarrior hack **
[19:15:55] Juski: you can't pass current across them in 2 directions simultaneously
[19:16:07] xzcvczx: seth|laptop: that was mainly why i asked you in simple terms or 2ish seperate colors
[19:16:09] Juski: so they flip em faster than the human persistence of vision ;)
[19:16:22] xzcvczx: lol
[19:16:44] xzcvczx: well its a 3 lead so thers no problem
[19:16:54] Juski: ffs.. this Yoda guy has got chas N dave sampled & scratch
[19:17:01] Juski: ed
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[19:18:11] Juski: he can't be serious.. tiptoe thru the tulips.. lmao!
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[19:18:36] xzcvczx: i think anyway..... but this wiring diagram for the front panel sucks it doesnt even say which is positive and which is negative for the leds
[19:18:40] xzcvczx: gah fucking wireless
[19:18:52] Juski: easy
[19:19:08] Juski: on the side of the LED there may well be a flat section
[19:19:13] Juski: that's the negative side
[19:19:30] xzcvczx: yeah but the problem is the wires coming round are all yellow
[19:19:43] xzcvczx: so would be fun to try and follow
[19:20:12] Juski: so long as you have a current limiting resistor in tow it shouldn't matter if you get the polarity of the LED wrong briefly
[19:20:37] BULLE: otherwise it will just be *bzzzzzzzzzp* and it is burned out ?
[19:20:39] Juski: been there. some LEDs don't follow the flat = negative rule
[19:20:55] Juski: it takes a LOT of effort to burn out most LEDs, believe me
[19:20:58] xzcvczx: it shouldnt matter anyway though does it whats the break down voltage of leds?
[19:21:00] BULLE: okies
[19:21:12] Juski: it took more than 30V at 2A (reversed) to make an IR LED explode once
[19:21:27] xzcvczx: and how did you accidentally do that/
[19:21:28] xzcvczx: ?
[19:21:33] Juski: and it emitted visible light for a while
[19:21:42] Juski: it was no accident :-P
[19:21:55] Juski: college boredom
[19:22:15] xzcvczx: lol
[19:22:29] xzcvczx: we use to like putting 24 volts into thermistors
[19:22:44] Juski: on a supply of 5 volts it shouldn't kill the LED if you get the wires reversed anyway.. not if you're quick
[19:23:04] xzcvczx: and one guy in our class use to play with his 1 Farad capacitor(or close to anyway) in class
[19:23:21] Juski: haha. we liked blowing up electrolytic caps
[19:23:35] xzcvczx: well what does a pc pump out to its power/hdd led
[19:23:41] Juski: xzcvczx: 5V
[19:23:41] scott_: Juski: any vandalism on your property from those wankers recently?
[19:23:44] seth|laptop: 5volts
[19:23:45] Juski: through a resistor
[19:23:54] Juski: scott_: the _wanker_ you mean... actually no
[19:24:07] scott_: that's good news
[19:24:25] Juski: yeah well we thought he'd fucked off a while ago, then he came back one night
[19:24:57] Juski: my car door mirrors are just fine glued on though.. and I'm only planning to put the new ones on when i go to part-x my car ;-)
[19:26:18] xzcvczx: why must microsoft make it so hard to rip apart their stuff
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[19:27:56] Juski: hahaha my wife will love this album
[19:28:20] Juski: it only took me reaching 34 to start getting into hiphop...
[19:28:38] seth|laptop: ack, hiphop
[19:28:40] seth|laptop: pheh!
[19:28:50] Juski: ah no.. this is good stuff. cut-up...
[19:29:05] Juski: see now Yoda is cutting up the duelling banjos
[19:29:26] Juski: I love the irony
[19:29:31] ** seth|laptop will always be a hair-band kind of guy **
[19:29:35] Juski: oh god
[19:29:42] Juski: the great unwashed Rush fans!
[19:29:51] seth|laptop: One of many
[19:30:03] seth|laptop: actually I am partial to the earlier works of Iron Maiden
[19:30:21] seth|laptop: in high school I playe din a tribute band called Steel Bitch
[19:30:28] Juski: they DO make good rock these days, believe it or not. no need to hark back to the 70s
[19:31:17] seth|laptop: well i also partake of such wonderous sound of Chevelle, Evanesence, and the like.
[19:31:42] seth|laptop: but if you have to wear youor hat sideways or backwards, to be a part of what it is, i do not partake.
[19:31:44] seth|laptop: :-)
[19:31:56] Juski: ok ok. just don't mention James C*** or I'll be forced to shoot you
[19:31:59] Juski: ;-)
[19:32:33] Juski: seth|laptop: you'd be surprised just how clever some of the lyrics are. it's not all "yo bling bling bling yo n*gger bitch"
[19:32:49] Juski: I don't go in for the latter, FYI ;)
[19:33:15] Juski: I have eclectic tastes though. very big on Amy Wino at the mo' too
[19:34:17] seth|laptop: well everyone has their tastes, I just never could appreciate the finer stylings of that type of music. I have a motto, "Opera before O.P.P."
[19:34:24] Juski: which reminds me gardengnome .. new mixy to download somewhere on my interweb thingy
[19:34:30] gardengnome: nice
[19:34:49] Juski: if you like Bedouin Soundclash, don't download it though
[19:34:59] gardengnome: never heard that name.
[19:35:04] Juski: www.juski.co.uk/amy.html
[19:35:08] seth|laptop: and I have been chastised for it going on 25 years or so now, but I remain true to who i am , hehe
[19:35:45] Juski: heheh seth|laptop good plan. don't get me wrong I still feel alienated by commercial radio
[19:35:58] gardengnome: Juski: you prolly shouldn't advertise your stuff publically, the RIAA secret police might get on your back ;)
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[19:36:16] Juski: what was it that Public Enemy once said?
[19:36:19] Juski: ;-)
[19:36:24] gardengnome: commercial radio ain't that. i'm listening to vrock from GTA vice city in the car. :)
[19:36:33] Juski: haha
[19:36:44] Juski: I prefer Lazlo
[19:36:45] gardengnome: s/that/that bad/
[19:36:52] gardengnome: that's him.
[19:36:54] seth|laptop: I have Sirius, and usually listen to Howard Stern, or Hair Nation, and occasionally Octane
[19:36:57] Juski: the ads are priceless
[19:37:01] Juski: giggle cream!
[19:37:16] gardengnome: "the knife that saved america"
[19:37:33] Juski: the audio is better than the game
[19:37:59] Juski: gardengnome: can I delete that page yet?
[19:38:03] gardengnome: true. ;)
[19:38:07] gardengnome: Juski: i'm downloading
[19:38:13] ** seth|laptop quietly admits listening to the Reggae cahnnel on occasion as well **
[19:38:17] gardengnome: well, it is downloaded.
[19:38:23] Juski: cool
[19:39:16] Juski: I've been a busy, busy boy
[19:39:27] gardengnome: i've been slacking %)
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[19:39:53] seth|laptop: heh, windows media player won't play that file, inferior OS
[19:40:13] Juski: it won't? created by sony's finest an' all
[19:40:27] seth|laptop: nope
[19:41:40] |Torg|: seth did you ever get a chance to send that database file?
[19:41:59] seth|laptop: never gave me your address in the PM window
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[19:42:47] |Torg|: sorry I thought I had
[19:44:14] seth|laptop: good old mutt
[19:46:01] seth|laptop: mm
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[19:57:09] JoeyJoeJo: is it ok to use mysql 5 with mythtv .20, or is it recomended that I stay with 4?
[19:57:46] GreyFoxx: 5 is fine
[19:57:48] netrix: whats the correct way to specify alsa card 0 as your audio ouput device in mythfrontend?
[19:57:57] JoeyJoeJo: and can I take my backup from mysql 4 and import it to mysql 5?
[19:57:59] netrix: i was trying hw:0 but it doesn't appear to work.
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[19:58:03] GreyFoxx: JoeyJoeJo: Sure
[19:58:07] JoeyJoeJo: sweet
[19:58:08] JoeyJoeJo: thanks
[19:58:08] |Torg|: hw:0.0
[19:58:11] GreyFoxx: netrix: try just "ALSA:default"
[19:58:13] |Torg|: card 0, device 0
[19:58:19] GreyFoxx: and then "default" for the mixer
[19:58:33] netrix: |Torg|: thanks.
[19:58:45] netrix: GreyFoxx: i don't use the internal volume controls.
[19:58:58] GreyFoxx: ok, then don't specify the mixer :)
[19:59:07] netrix: my goal is to get myth to play nice with other applications that may want to use the audio card.
[19:59:17] netrix: thanks for the pointers ... going to give it a shot.
[19:59:23] |Torg|: do you know what device you are connected to on the card?
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[19:59:52] netrix: |Torg|: not sure what you mean .. ?
[20:00:02] |Torg|: cat /proc/asound/devices
[20:00:15] |Torg|: there should be at least one labels playback, most likly there are more
[20:00:44] |Torg|: so if you plug into say the spdif out of the card you need to know what device that is, same as the rca plug for the output
[20:01:07] netrix: okay, i am using the rca out which i think is 0.
[20:01:09] |Torg|: the rca plug on your card, sometimes labled simply "audio out" is *usually* device 0 or 0.0
[20:01:57] netrix: tho, i just tried hw:0.0 and when i start mythfrontend i see the message "Error opening audio device (hw:0.0), the error was: No sure file or directory"
[20:02:06] netrix: ALSA:default does seem to work however ...
[20:02:09] |Torg|: oh that, put in /dev/dsp
[20:02:31] gardengnome: try ALSA:hw:0,0, maybe that's gonna work
[20:02:44] netrix: okay, will try that.
[20:03:40] netrix: |Torg|: yep, ALSA:hw:0,0 seems to work!
[20:06:27] |Torg|: sorry netwrix I gave you the oss def not the alsa lib one
[20:06:33] |Torg|: they differ in 0.0 to 0,0
[20:07:20] Juski: bugger. my MD recorder is busted
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[20:07:36] Juski: ah well. it'll just have to stay on as a D-A converter then
[20:07:54] yalu: I see many people use Asus Pundits for their mythtv setup. We have about 25 of them where I work, aren't they way too loud for a media center if they get stressed?
[20:09:22] gardengnome: yalu: mine is, but that's probably because i'm using an intel boxed cooler
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[20:11:35] Juski: fuck. I was dreading this.. gonna have to install SonicStage :-|
[20:12:15] yalu: sound is important... as is electricity consumption. as is the time the box needs to boot up
[20:12:30] Juski: you can always mod the box to use quieter fans ya know
[20:12:39] yalu: yes
[20:13:01] netrix: is dmix enabled by default these days with alsa? it seems mythfrontend always grabs the audio output so that no other applications can use it.
[20:13:04] Juski: and to put digital audio connections at the _back_ where they should be in the 1st place
[20:14:35] Juski: netrix: is that such a bad thing? folks seldom use their frontends for anything else
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[20:15:11] |Torg|: I use my frontend for compiling all the time :)
[20:15:35] Hexidigital: hi folks. I finally got my mythtv working, but i'm having problems with sound. i either hear tv sound when i boot my pc, or i don't hear any sound (live or recorded)
[20:15:48] netrix: Juksi: for the most part. but i also run vlc in the background listening to a multicast address so i can stream audio to my all my frontends. allows me to use them as a poor mans whole home audio system ....
[20:16:10] netrix: |Torg|: lol ... hard core man.
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[20:16:21] Juski: Hexidigital: someone needs to check the troubleshooting section of the documentation
[20:16:36] Hexidigital: Juski: i wasn't able to find anything that seemed pertinent to my situation :(
[20:16:42] |Torg|: Juski, there is documentation?
[20:16:43] Hexidigital: i'll look again
[20:17:03] Juski: scroll down on the page to the audio section
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[20:17:36] yalu: I actually don't see much about "real" media center boxen on the mythtv website/wiki
[20:17:48] awilkins: Meh, anyone else having trouble with ITV4?
[20:18:08] Juski: awilkins: nope. never watch ITV
[20:18:48] awilkins: I record it and all I get is a large file that plays back as black screen and no audio. Logic says there is a video stream in there somewhere....
[20:19:04] Juski: tried it in vlc to see if the streamm really _is_ there?
[20:19:21] Juski: or ffmeg <foo_option> should tell you
[20:19:38] ** |Torg| wonders if his xbox plays dvds and his mythtv plays games can his dvd player play tv? **
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[20:20:21] awilkins: Juski: Hmm, good thought. I'll have to upload the file to my win32 box, no VLC on my Mythbox
[20:20:27] awilkins: Or maybe mplayer.
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[20:21:39] ** awilkins types "ffmpeg" and reels at the incredible list of args that overflows his terminal window buffer. **
[20:22:17] gardengnome: fear not, my friend, pipe it through less
[20:22:27] BULLE: gardengnome: its still pretty fearsome
[20:22:31] gardengnome: true
[20:22:42] |Torg|: use more, not less
[20:22:52] yalu: allright, a question: is it possible to record video in the off theora format?
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[20:23:30] xzcvczx: has anyone ever connected an external eject switch to an optical drive?
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[20:23:53] Zider: xzcvczx: where would that be connected?
[20:23:59] |Torg|: umm all my optical drives already have external eject switches
[20:24:47] xzcvczx: external as in no part of the switch inside the metal enclosure of the cdrom drive except wires
[20:25:10] |Torg|: you mean like a big pokey stick?
[20:25:27] Zider: he means a separate switch with a cable to the cd/dvd
[20:25:48] xzcvczx: Zider: planning on connecting it where the switch is
[20:25:50] Juski: just wire another switch across the original one
[20:25:57] Juski: not rocket science ;)
[20:26:04] |Torg|: it would be intersting to know why you want to do this tho, you still have to go to the drive to get the cd/dvd
[20:26:30] xzcvczx: |Torg|: yes but to be able to do it you need to be able to access the eject button
[20:26:38] Juski: the xbox has no eject button as such
[20:26:48] Juski: that's why, isn't it xzcvczx ?
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[20:26:55] awilkins: use the "eject" application....
[20:26:58] xzcvczx: Juski: 10 points :P
[20:27:08] |Torg|: then do like Juski said, get a SPST (aka button) swithc and wire it across the one thats already there
[20:27:36] xzcvczx: well no im just going to use the eject button on front of xbox
[20:28:21] xzcvczx: but i think the switch in the cdrom connects 2 sets not just one and the xbox swtich only does one, how can i sort that out?
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[20:28:29] Juski: jees this SonicStage is worse than Java
[20:29:08] Juski: xzcvczx: likely 2 pairs on the switch are common
[20:29:27] xzcvczx: oh ok
[20:29:28] Juski: e.g. one side of the switch is 2 leads, the other side is the other 2 leads
[20:29:41] Juski: if you have a multimeter, buzz em out
[20:30:28] Juski: what?! I have to fucking restart my machine cos I installed some shitty software? arghhh!
[20:30:29] xzcvczx: yeahi got a multimeter but no batteries :S
[20:30:34] ** Juski damns Sony to hell **
[20:30:40] xzcvczx: jsut reboot into linux
[20:30:50] xzcvczx: and no more rebooting even for kernel upgrade
[20:31:40] Zider: rebooting with new kernels are recommended tho
[20:32:22] Zider: I don't see the fascination with having systems running for months "just because"..
[20:32:26] xzcvczx: lol
[20:32:38] ** justdave wonders how you can upgrade a kernel without rebooting **
[20:32:55] xzcvczx: justdave: k something a rather
[20:32:56] xzcvczx: lol
[20:32:56] gardengnome: Juski: kexec()?
[20:33:00] xzcvczx: in 2.6
[20:33:04] gardengnome: err, i meant justdave
[20:33:05] xzcvczx: yeah thats the one
[20:33:47] yalu: I doubt if that works reliably
[20:35:13] Juski: xzcvczx: yeah just reboot into linux & _not_ be able to xfer files to my walkman. yay :-|
[20:35:55] gardengnome: Juski: did you buy a sony walkman?!
[20:36:06] justdave: anyone have any recommendations for a video capture card (for use with mythtv) for a PPC machine?
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[20:36:38] Zider: isn't walkman for casette tapes?
[20:36:43] Juski: gardengnome: didn't buy anything today. sticking with my NetMD for now
[20:36:47] justdave: I have a feeling most of the usual ones on the site are for x86
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[20:37:12] seth|laptop: I had that problem with my olympus m:robe, proprietary windows softwaree, so we whacked it, and mounted it as a storage device, transfered the files, and used perl to generate the songs, and playlists
[20:37:30] Juski: couldn't find a nice looking, capacious portable player at a price I liked that wasn't by Apple
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[20:37:37] justdave: PCI stuff will often work on both, as long as there's drivers... which usually limits me to stuff with open source drivers :(
[20:37:45] ivor: oooh the chip for my rfid reader has arrived!
[20:37:49] srm: hi, mythdatabasefill --manual (tv_grab_de_tvtoday) wont work, it tells: nice: tv_grab_de_tvtoday: Permission denied ... how comes that? messed up the database?
[20:37:51] ivor: that's this weekend sorted.
[20:37:59] Juski: ivor: the new Prof. Cyborg? Oh noes!
[20:38:07] gardengnome: srm: there's also #mythtv-de ...
[20:38:52] srm: oh :)
[20:38:56] srm: thnaks
[20:38:59] Zider: hm, I still haven't found an ogg capable player that can use flash cards..
[20:39:02] Juski: whoah! SonicStage now lets you drag & drop files onto it!
[20:39:10] Zider: ah well, they'll come eventually ;)
[20:39:11] Juski: long time since I used it
[20:39:20] ivor: srm: looks like a file permission/ownership problem.
[20:39:38] srm: ivor: can't think of any
[20:40:00] gardengnome: try harder. ;)
[20:41:12] srm: i will ;)
[20:41:21] ivor: srm: so where's tv_grab_de_tvtoday and what does ls -l show for it.
[20:42:02] srm: finding it ...
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[20:42:40] awilkins: Bloody hell, 1.2GB of NOTHIN
[20:42:43] awilkins: Grr.
[20:42:56] awilkins: Mind, it should be much more than 1.2GB for a movie that long.
[20:43:09] Juski: awilkins: just out of interest which ITV region are you in ?
[20:44:51] awilkins: Winter Hill
[20:44:54] awilkins: Granada
[20:44:59] Juski: same as me..
[20:45:09] Juski: I'll try tzapping to it... hang on
[20:45:21] ** awilkins also tries this **
[20:45:22] Juski: oh wait no I can just make a test recording
[20:46:04] srm: hmm..it seems there is no such file
[20:46:07] Juski: the whole reason mythtv had to change the dvb setup & tables was down to ITV fucking up PIDs on the fly
[20:46:18] srm: ---> tv_grab_de_tvtoday
[20:46:53] Juski: awilkins: test recording started
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[20:47:29] Juski: awilkins: working here
[20:47:35] Juski: in mythtv 0.19-fixes mind
[20:47:36] awilkins: Dang.
[20:47:56] Juski: lemme boot up my 0.20 box
[20:48:09] awilkins: I'm running on HEAD, close to anyways
[20:48:23] Juski: why head?
[20:48:32] awilkins: Glutton for punishment :-)
[20:48:50] Juski: you spoken to stuarta about this?
[20:48:56] ** seth|laptop makes a note to never try svn HEAD **
[20:48:58] awilkins: Briefly, mentioned it
[20:49:02] Xaos: I'm trying to setup 0.20 as a frontend to my carputer. I'm editing the mainmenu.xml and adding an EXEC function to launch my GPS Nav system (roadmap)...it works great, but the program launches in the background and I have to ALT-TAB to bring it to the fore...any ideas on how to get it to launch in the foreground to start with?
[20:49:17] Juski: given him output of dvbsnoop & stuff? he'll nix it if there's owt wrong with mythtv
[20:49:24] seth|laptop: run the program with xterm -e
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[20:49:39] awilkins: I started in the 0.17 times when DVB wasn't working well in the stable branch
[20:49:48] Juski: awilkins: 0.16 was great
[20:49:51] Juski: 0.17 duffer
[20:49:53] Juski: 0.18 great
[20:49:56] Juski: 0.19 duffer
[20:50:04] Juski: dvb wise anyway
[20:50:36] BULLE: yeah, i had lots of problems with 0.19
[20:50:37] Juski: so you'd not remember having to manually enter all the PIDs & stuff.. those were fun times
[20:50:39] BULLE: and dvb
[20:50:43] BULLE: 0.20 works much better
[20:50:47] awilkins: Well, I'm pretty happy with trying out the newest HEAD every few months
[20:51:13] Juski: awilkins: as usually happens, doubtless that a change made in America broke something for us
[20:51:13] awilkins: I back up my DB and copy the sources I was previously using – if I don't like it, I just go back.
[20:51:17] Xaos: EXEC xterm -e roadmap works well except now the xterm is in the fore with roadmap behind it and the mythtvfrontend nicely hidden in the back...definitely closer (THANKS!) but how to hide the xterm and have the roadmap on top?
[20:52:12] awilkins: Ok, I just did a straight cat of the dvr device to a file – I did a fresh dvbscan a day or two ago, so if that doesn't work, it's not just mythtv (perhaps)
[20:52:40] Juski: good, good :)
[20:53:16] awilkins: Have to transfer the file to my win32 lappy because wifey is wathing Patrick Swaze....
[20:53:22] |Torg|: who maintains mytharchive, the main.cpp has a bad location for a headder file
[20:53:37] Juski: |Torg|: email the -dev list first
[20:54:55] awilkins: Ok, that works perfectly.
[20:55:02] awilkins: Dammit
[20:55:31] Juski: awilkins: it's better that the problem is myth's actually
[20:55:39] |Torg|: the problem is release-0-20-fixes/mythplugins/mytharchive/mytharchive/mail.cpp calls for mythtv/ headders sitting in a direcotry tree one benieth the Makefile and base
[20:55:40] awilkins: Yeah, driver problems are extra-sucky
[20:55:54] Juski: awilkins: broadcaster problems even more so ;)
[20:56:40] Juski: |Torg|: check the -dev list & trac for tickets about it
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[20:56:54] Juski: might already even be fixed
[20:56:58] awilkins: Well, mplayer thinks the vpid was 600 and the apid was 601, which is rather familiar
[20:57:11] |Torg|: Juski I know how to fix it, I just wanted to know if whoever mainteained it was aware of the problem
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[20:58:00] seth|laptop: Xaos: xterm -e -iconic <map program name> try that
[20:58:09] Juski: |Torg|: I'm telling you it might already be fixed.. something like that sticks out like a sore thumb
[20:58:43] Juski: check out the latest rev.. if it's still borked, then email the -dev list or create a ticket
[20:58:57] ** seth|laptop heads home **
[20:59:18] |Torg|: seth did you mail that database?
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[20:59:30] |Torg|: oh well
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[21:00:48] Xaos: seth thanks for the help...-iconic just goes back to everything running in background though...have a good trip home
[21:00:58] Xaos: dang...missed him
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[21:03:39] Xaos: Anyone else have any ideas on how to edit the mainmenu.xml to get a program to launch in the foreground (and not behind the mythfrontend)? using "EXEC vlc -f v4l:/" causes VLC to launch, but hidden behind Myth... "EXEC xterm -e vlc..." works but there is now an xterm over the vlc view...
[21:04:09] gardengnome: Xaos: are you running a window manager?
[21:04:47] Xaos: yes...this is all running under kubuntu (edgy) so kwin
[21:05:16] gardengnome: dunno then. might be an (configuration) issue with kwin
[21:05:42] Xaos: I've been looking at writing a script that uses dcop to bring it to the fore...but can't figure that one out either...I've tried setting window behavior...no go there...sigh...may have to sleep on it over the weekend
[21:06:20] gardengnome: or use a different WM if that's possible
[21:06:54] Xaos: I could...but would prefer to stick with what I've got (if possible)...
[21:07:28] Xaos: the machine I have isn't net connected right now (at work with LAN security turned on)...so I can't load xine or mplayer to test if they work...
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[21:07:43] gardengnome: Xaos: jarod wilson may have some configuration hints at http://www.wilsonet.com – look for fedora mythology
[21:08:04] Xaos: will do...thanks for the link
[21:08:38] mirak: hello
[21:08:54] Xaos: if I EXEC xterm by itself, it pops to the front nicely...roadmap and vlc do not...hmmm....looking at wilson's site now
[21:12:52] mirak: hem anyone have a technisat remote control ?
[21:14:08] mirak: there is a remote with a rs232 cable
[21:14:21] mirak: I am wondering If it's practical
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[21:26:19] Xaos: One thought on my problem is that these two apps are both GTK based....hmmmm
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[21:29:15] Xaos: yep...konqueror and xterm both EXEC into the foreground nicely...it must have something to do with a GTK-based app...lovely
[21:29:19] mirak: hi
[21:29:33] mirak: anyone knows the status of the technotrend remote control ?
[21:29:59] gardengnome: mirak: www.lirc.org could know.
[21:30:09] mirak: thans
[21:31:06] Hexidigital: Juski: hey, thanks for pointing me to the audio section of the documentation... although my solution was not there
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[21:31:36] Hexidigital: Juski: it took deleting my capture card, rebooting, and reinstalling the card for the audio to work properly
[21:33:21] mirak: gardengnome: that's not clear, unless there is just one technotrend remote
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[21:33:53] mirak: the package I want to buy have a ir remote but with rs323 ir reiver, that's a bit ugly ...
[21:34:37] Hexidigital: exit
[21:34:41] Hexidigital: whoops. sorry
[21:34:43] jblack_: Thanks for the help earlier!
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[21:36:55] gardengnome: mirak: you might wanna search for lirc_serial...
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[21:38:46] mirak: gardengnome: well I prefer not serial
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[21:39:09] mirak: gardengnome: I would prefer usb, but it's not clear of the provided remote is usb or serial
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[21:39:28] mirak: http://www.dvbshop.net/product_info.php/langu . . . -Linux-.html
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[21:40:31] awilkins__: Whee, one of my neighbours finally got a wireless router. Alas, it is unsecured.
[21:40:39] awilkins__: Silly rabbits.
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[21:45:30] Tronic: awilkins___: All wireless routers that I install are unsecured.
[21:45:36] Tronic: There's OpenVPN for security.
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[21:46:48] Tronic: Sure you don't want to use a wired Ethernet instead of your neighbor's WiFi. Looks like some connection trouble.
[21:47:04] awilkins: That was me switching back to my node
[21:47:26] kormoc: Tronic, there is one really good reason to secure a AP. Personal people don't have common carrier status, so if someone downloads things they shouldn't, like child porn, the owner of the AP is responsible for it.
[21:47:27] awilkins: Just wanted to pop in and see what his settings were.
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[21:47:53] awilkins: Now I know which channel he's using I can avoid it on my router, get better reception.
[21:48:09] gardengnome: awilkins: cheap excuse, kismet would have told ya the same ;)
[21:48:22] awilkins: And I got his IP address, DNS servers, etc.
[21:48:32] Tronic: kormoc: Nope, he isn't.
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[21:48:49] awilkins: I wonder what kind of bandwidth he has (muhahahah)
[21:48:52] Ediehow: hey xris you there?
[21:48:55] Tronic: kormoc: The provider is never responsible for what the system is used for without his knowledge.
[21:49:09] xris: Ediehow: just stepped in, but need to get ready to leave (going camping)
[21:49:13] mirak: ok if anyone know if the Technotrend USB-IR Receiver unit work on linux ... I can't find info on lirc.org
[21:49:18] Ediehow: xris: here real quick
[21:49:24] Ediehow: http://pastebin.ca/212485
[21:49:29] kormoc: Tronic, in the US, only companys/people with common carrier status can claim that, and that's a very select, limited number of people
[21:49:32] Ediehow: where should i do the select thing?
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[21:49:56] Tronic: kormoc: Sucks to be in USA, if one can actually get into trouble for that.
[21:50:25] Tronic: kormoc: I can only talk of Finland.
[21:50:34] ** kormoc nods **
[21:51:00] Ediehow: xris: where do i put the thing to do select?
[21:51:19] Ediehow: right after REMOTE_NAME?
[21:51:28] kormoc: Tronic, I know when smaller ISPs started up, they would sometimes get in trouble for what their members were doing, cause they lacked common carrier status. It's a sucky setup :/
[21:51:53] Ediehow: /usr/bin/irsend --device=/dev/lircd SEND_ONCE $REMOTE_NAME select
[21:51:53] Ediehow: ?
[21:52:12] Ediehow: just put that before the loop thing?
[21:52:22] Ediehow: it seems like using select crashes lircd after one use
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[21:52:53] xris: Ediehow: I called it separately, myself...
[21:53:04] Ediehow: ?
[21:53:05] xris: since you don't want to send select before EACH number press
[21:53:06] Ediehow: how do you mean?
[21:53:12] Ediehow: well, i am trying this
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[21:53:29] xris: Ediehow: put your script into pastebin
[21:53:35] Ediehow: http://pastebin.ca/212493
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[21:54:15] Ediehow: lircd dies
[21:54:33] Ediehow: apparently too much usage of select kills it
[21:54:39] Ediehow: lircd-0.7.1[6749]: command_ext: did not receive results
[21:54:39] Ediehow: lircd-0.7.1[6749]: uirt2usb_raw: No UIRT2 device found at /dev/ttyUSB0
[21:54:39] Ediehow: lircd-0.7.1[6749]: caught signal
[21:54:49] Ediehow: maybe i need more of a delay?
[21:54:52] conreyt: any word about DAAP client support in MythTV? I'm using mt-daapd on a server and would like to play music on my mythbox
[21:55:49] xris: Ediehow: looks good, but don't forget to add a sleep after each call to lircd
[21:56:05] Ediehow: how do you mean?
[21:57:48] Ediehow: ok, sleep 2 seems to do well
[21:57:50] Ediehow: after select
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[21:59:36] Ediehow: xris: i have an alert at 3am on the stb to change to channel 106
[21:59:46] Ediehow: that seems to prevent screensaver?
[21:59:49] Ediehow: or is that a bad idea?
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[22:02:34] xris: assuming you never record something at that time
[22:02:46] xris: all you really need to do is send SELECT to wake it up, though
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[22:15:42] conreyt: any word about DAAP client support in MythTV? I'm using mt-daapd on a server and would like to play music on my mythbox
[22:19:18] kennyt_: why would mythbackend be taking up 99% of the cpu time?
[22:20:18] Xaos: ok...I may have found an answer to auto-raising apps that want to EXEC in the background...try installing wmctrl and use it
[22:20:18] Xaos: http://my.opera.com/raphman/blog/show.dml/302528
[22:20:18] Xaos: Hope this helps someone else...I'm off for home...later
[22:27:31] xzcvczx: anyone know anywhere that would sell 3.5mm 3-channel sockets?
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[22:30:57] burley-sf: I am trying to configure the k-world ATSC tuner, and in mythtvsetup, when I try a channel scan, it spews the following, any ideas? : 2006-10–20 18:29:44.228 pcHDTV::GetSignal_v4l1(fd 14, input 4, v4l2): error(Invalid argument)
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[22:53:05] ivor: xzcvczx: something like: http://www.maplin.co.uk/Module.aspx?ModuleNo= . . . mp;doy=20m10
[22:55:24] xzcvczx: yeah, that socket though
[22:56:40] ivor: there's a line one: http://www.maplin.co.uk/Search.aspx?criteria= . . . mp;source=15
[22:58:57] xzcvczx: the inline one?
[23:00:17] xzcvczx: hmmm i wonder whether i can find a pcb one
[23:00:20] xzcvczx: or 2 if possible
[23:00:47] xzcvczx: also in mythtv (back on topic :P) is there a way to get video-in on an ivtv card?
[23:02:01] Juski: burley-sf: looks like you've selected the wrong kind of tuner type in mythtv-setup
[23:02:41] burley-sf: Juski: any idea what is the right one to select fo rthat card
[23:02:44] burley-sf: info in the wiki is light
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[23:03:44] Juski: not a v4l kind of tuner card for sure
[23:04:14] Juski: cycle though them til you find one saying something about atsc or dvb
[23:04:25] burley-sf: Juski: I guess I'll do trial and error then, just realized I didn't compile myth originally with DVB support, so recompiling now
[23:04:43] Juski: ahh that'd do it
[23:04:58] xzcvczx: damn cellphones..... unlike a wired phone you cant stick 20,000V down it so when someone rings you repeatedly they get a huge shock
[23:05:12] burley-sf: so, I suppose I'll try again tomorrow, compiling is really slow on a 800MHz machine :)
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[23:06:55] gardengnome: xzcvczx: pff. so much nicer to boil someones brain with micro waves!
[23:07:15] xzcvczx: lol
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[23:08:52] pab: Has anyone else had trouble using nuvexport with ffmep failing because of the -hq switch?
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[23:09:08] pab: ffmep*
[23:09:13] pab: ffmpeg*
[23:09:20] gardengnome: pab: i think so, yes. check nuvexport's trac at www.forevermore.net
[23:09:43] xris: gardengnome: https://svn.forevermore.net/nuvexport
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[23:09:51] pab: I'm going to check now thx gardengnome
[23:10:05] xris: pab: you using the latest version of nuvexport?
[23:10:25] pab: downloaded newest about a month ago?
[23:10:31] xris: then no
[23:10:52] ** xzcvczx wonders why mythdvd isnt so much as a queue for ripping/transcoding... its more just some random one that gets selected **
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[23:30:36] aboutblank: what handles channel changing for mythtv?
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[23:30:55] aboutblank: i'm trying to use knoppmyth with a pvr-150, and i cannot get any channels.
[23:30:56] kormoc: mythbackend
[23:31:24] aboutblank: that's a pretty bad answer.
[23:31:31] kormoc: it's true
[23:31:41] aboutblank: okay... well what does mythbackend use?
[23:31:57] kormoc: it talks to the v4l driver and says
[23:32:52] kormoc: change to channel X
[23:32:57] kormoc: and v4l changes it to channel X
[23:33:11] kormoc: and v4l is in your kernel as you likely know
[23:33:15] Dagmar: Bad answers are all questsions that didnt' involve any research get.
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[23:34:38] aboutblank: allow me to re-phrase my question: i cannot change channels. what could be a possible cause?
[23:35:05] gardengnome: no, sorry.
[23:35:09] gardengnome: still a bad question :)
[23:35:18] Dagmar: not reading documentation is a big one.
[23:36:07] gardengnome: Dagmar: ^5
[23:36:40] aboutblank: k i think i'm asking polite questions, please take 10 seconds to give a brief help or at least try not be rude
[23:36:45] xzcvczx: gardengnome: to the power of 5?
[23:36:53] gardengnome: xzcvczx: high five :)
[23:36:58] xzcvczx: oh lol
[23:37:05] aboutblank: i've put over 40 god damn hours into this box over ubuntu and knoppmyth and i can't get the damn thing to work like it's supposed to
[23:37:24] Dagmar: aboutblank: OKay, I respectfully submit to you that your problem is almost certainly because you've not bothered to read any of the documentation about the ivtv driver, knoppmyth, or MythTV.
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[23:37:37] Dagmar: Just because you don't like the answer doesn't mean it was a rude one.
[23:37:57] gardengnome: aboutblank: well, that's probably a different point of view then :). to understand why we're being "rude", read http://catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html – if you're looking for help with mythtv, read all relevant log files first
[23:38:10] xzcvczx: Juski: you around?
[23:38:12] aboutblank: Dagmar: i've read nearly every page on the wiki.
[23:38:20] Dagmar: Bullshit.
[23:38:51] gardengnome: aboutblank: only in the article namespace!
[23:40:08] Dagmar: There's simply no way someone can have "read nearly every page on the wiki" and still be asking that kind of an open-ended question.
[23:40:39] Dagmar: ...not unless they've recently been struck a severe blow to the skull or something.
[23:41:00] jblack_: about: Its a little tricky on ubuntu.
[23:41:05] jblack_: Did you find the packages yet?
[23:41:18] aboutblank: alright i'm REALLY angry right now about this whole thing. i can't figure it and i'm REALLY frustrate. so i'd REALLY appreciate it if you wouldn't make fun of me
[23:41:35] Dagmar: Oh, I'm not making fun of you yet.
[23:41:38] jblack_: I'm not making fun of you.
[23:41:55] gardengnome: aboutblank: true. some people in here might be angry/frustrated by people not asking "good" questions, so keep that in mind :)
[23:42:01] Dagmar: I'm flat out saying you're very obviously lying about what you have and haven't read.
[23:42:21] Dagmar: ...which insults the intelligence of everyone in here.
[23:42:47] aboutblank: Dagmar: i HAVE read. i'm asking you to point me in a direction.
[23:42:55] ** gardengnome notes that dagmar is being especially impolite today **
[23:43:15] Dagmar: Yeah, I'm such an evil man for calling people out when they lie.
[23:43:19] jblack_: I guess he doesn't want to talk to me. :)
[23:43:23] gardengnome: aboutblank: the wiki at www.ivtvdriver.org has a section on troubleshooting. one of the mosrt important rules ist: make sure everything works outside mythtv.
[23:43:30] Dagmar: Not like I haven't been up one side of that wiki and down the other or anything.
[23:44:25] aboutblank: gardengnome: i don't know if ivtv is the problem
[23:44:38] gardengnome: aboutblank: then make sure it's not.
[23:44:40] jblack_: Anyways, I think you guys help a lot. Thanks for the help earlier
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[23:45:33] kormoc: aboutblank, ivtv is the video4linux driver that sits in the kernel... if it's not changing channels and assuming you did read the logs and myth is saying it did, then yes, ivtv is the issue
[23:45:50] kormoc: aboutblank, and depending on when you bought the 150, you might not have a new enough ivtv version
[23:46:17] aboutblank: i'm on ivtv 0.7.0 and it correctly identifies and initializes the card.
[23:46:47] aboutblank: maybe i have to update the firmware used?
[23:47:06] Dagmar: Can I make fun of him now?
[23:47:07] Dagmar: :)
[23:47:29] Dagmar: They go into a rather lot of detail about the firmware on the ivtvdriver.org site.
[23:47:30] aboutblank: Dagmar: could you do me a favor and just shut the fuck up? i'd really (honestly) appreciate it.
[23:47:46] Dagmar: Grow a pair.
[23:48:16] kormoc: aboutblank, if you have samsung tuners on your card, you might need to use 0.8.0 (or svn) ivtv for it to work
[23:48:39] aboutblank: 0.8.0 is for the 2.6.18 kernel.
[23:48:47] kormoc: sure, but it also has fixes, no?
[23:49:30] aboutblank: i pretty sure it would be incompatible with my 2.6.17 kernel.
[23:49:50] Pryon: Definitely. Have you tried 0.7.1 yet?
[23:49:59] Dagmar: What I'd honestly appreciate, is not seeing the same questions being asked over and over again in here, literally 50 times a day, when none of the answers are more than two clicks from the top of www.mythtv.org or www.ivtvdriver.org.
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[23:50:25] Dagmar: I'd like to see people stop lying about what they have and haven't read and quit trying to use IRC channels as a way of just getting other people to do all the troubleshooting for them.
[23:50:42] Dagmar: But so far, idiocy seems to be the norm.
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[23:50:57] aboutblank: Dagmar: if you don't wish to help, why be here?
[23:51:08] Dagmar: It is *not* cool to jerk people around by claiming you've read all this
[23:51:39] Dagmar: I help when people have hit an actual problem. Not when they're so damn lazy they can't be bothered to read and attempt to comprehend even the simplest documentation.
[23:52:12] aboutblank: I _have_ read nearly every page on the wiki. i _occasionally_ come here for help when i'm really frustrated with it.
[23:52:21] kormoc: hrm
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[23:53:20] kormoc: aboutblank, did you read this section: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Troubles . . . hooting_Tips
[23:53:25] Dagmar: aboutblank: I suggest you stop trying to convince me that you're not a twit, and start looking at docs until you've got more than "it doesn't work" to report.
[23:54:36] aboutblank: kormoc: yes, and i cannot find useful information in the logs.
[23:55:11] Dagmar: "Use the latest stable release, or failing that, the latest svn release in the stable branch."
[23:55:27] Dagmar: 0.7.0 != "the latest stable release"
[23:55:33] aboutblank: i realize that.
[23:55:36] kormoc: aboutblank, you really should have said so at the start
[23:56:43] Dagmar: ...and right at the bottom of http://www.ivtvdriver.org/index.php/Howto it tells you how to troubleshoot the card for tuner problems
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