Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Wednesday, October 18th, 2006, 00:02 UTC

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Zider:

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** CyberKnet wonders how he borked his mythweb installation **

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** CyberKnet throws a look at xris **

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xris:

?

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CyberKnet:

heh

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CyberKnet:

not sure why mythweb is having issues.

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CyberKnet:

just upgraded from 0.18 to 0.20

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xris:

wipe your directory and check out from -fixes

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xris:

(assuming the backend is also from -fixes)

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CyberKnet:

I got mine from atrpms

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xris:

should be ok

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xris:

check mythweb out from svn from the fixes branch.

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xris:

it's imho easier to update/maintain

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CyberKnet:

were there problems with 0.20 and mythweb?

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xris:

early on, yeah

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Techno:

I have some newbie questions. I currently have a DVR that my cable company provides, but I don't like it. What I'm looking for is for my computer to be able to control the television so it could turn the channels to the proper stations to record and I want it to display on the TV... is this possible with MythTV?

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xris:

.20a was released, but still had issues that are only fixed in -fixes (which axel grabs)

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xris:

dunno why the atrpms one doesn't work in your case, though

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xris:

Techno: mythtv works fine.

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kormoc:

Techno, sure

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xris:

depending on your cable company, the easiest option is to get an HD box (which your DVR is, which is handy for testing) and hook it up to mythtv with firewire.

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Techno:

I have CableOne

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xris:

Techno: doesn't really matter. most cable companies are regional franchises

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Techno:

this is the DVR: http://www.answers.com/topic/motorola-6412

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kormoc:

Techno, you'll be giving up the DVR functions of the box

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kevin_:

for my next myth box I need to get a pci video card. would a 64 MB nvidia mx4000 be adaquate for SDTV?

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kormoc:

Techno, myth will need absolute control over the box, and you would have to use the mythfrontend interface on the tv

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kormoc:

kevin_, should be, aye

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Techno:

as long as my mythtv box could turn the channels automatically, had a guide that worked with all my channels, and could record two things at the same time as my DVR can now, I could care less

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kevin_:

thanks

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CyberKnet:

xris: it's talking about db_ variables not being set in htaccess, but I didn't see anything in the .htaccess about db_ variables

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kormoc:

Techno, it can only use one of the cable box's outputs likely

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kormoc:

Techno, although, if you use standard analog cable, you can get rid of the box and get a pvr 500, and that will record two at once

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CyberKnet:

xris: that, and it isn't picking up a default page (though I have mod_rewrite and mod_env loaded)

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CyberKnet:

xris: I'd almost think I had the wrong .htaccess file for this version of mythweb

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xris:

Techno: check the back of your dvr for a firewire port, and get the model number

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Techno:

But then I'd have to ditch the one show on G4 that I actually like :D

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xris:

CyberKnet: clear your browser cache

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xris:

and make sure you *do* have the current .htaccess

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Techno:

I don't have my DVR handy right now... I'm not staying at my house that has the DVR

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xris:

Techno: your dvr records 2 at once?

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xris:

or record one and watch another?

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xris:

well, either way, mythtv can do it as long as you have enough tuners (either two cable boxes for HD/digital, or two tuner cards for analog)

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fatmatt:

xris, any idea which branch the debian / ubuntu packages are usign?

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Techno:

yes, Xris

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xris:

fatmatt: not a clue, esp. since there are multiple packagers...

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Techno:

I can record two and switch between the two, but if I am recording two at the same time I can't watch anything I'm not recording

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Techno:

so if I'm recording channel 12 and channel 38, I can't watch anything that isn't 12 or 38, but I can switch between the two at will

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xris:

Techno: yeah, mythtv can do that. you just need enough tuners

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Techno:

my DVR has two tuners

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kormoc:

Techno, but likely myth will only be able to get to one

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xris:

Techno: what kormoc said

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Techno:

then this isn't a good solution for me. I'm better off taking the shows off my DVR using firewire and just storing them on my regular computer

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xris:

Techno: can you do that?

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Techno:

yep

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Techno:

it's a bit of a hack from my computer's point of view, sort of like using Transcode 360 to stream .avi files to an xbox 360

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kormoc:

Techno, most people just get two regular (non-dvr) cable boxs, which is cheaper then a dvr box anyway

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Techno:

my cable company gives me a regular digital box, a DVR, and internet for cheap

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xris:

Techno: mythtv may be an inconvenience for you, then

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xris:

the cable companies don't make it easy for people to hook up dvr's to the digital stuff

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kormoc:

welp, he made up his mind

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xris:

heh

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CyberKnet:

Hmmm

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CyberKnet:

can I access the svn .htaccess via trac on the web?

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xris:

yeah

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xris:

just go to "code browser" or whatever it's called

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CyberKnet:

aha

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CyberKnet:

I see under mythplugins in the fixes branch

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CyberKnet:

I just hadn't been drilling in enough.

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CyberKnet:

aha!

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CyberKnet:

my file is missing the setenv lines

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CyberKnet:

and many lines underneath the first files section too.

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claybo:

Hey everyone. Are there any MiniMyth users here?

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granbar:

Hello

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granbar:

I'm currently trying to make ivtv work, but IVTV won't find my firmware files. Anybody know where they should be in (k)ubuntu?

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|Torg|:

try /ust/lib/hotplug/firmware

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|Torg|:

err /uer

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|Torg|:

damnit /usr

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granbar:

The only directory that exists of those recommended in the manual is /lib/firmware

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granbar:

But dmesg reports that ivtv didn't find the files

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|Torg|:

like I said look for /usr/lib/hotplug/firmware

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granbar:

okay. I'll try :)

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granbar:

So I made that directory now and copied the firmware files into it, but it's still nagging.

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granbar:

aha

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granbar:

It seems to find one of them

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granbar:

but unable to open the second

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granbar:

oh

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granbar:

typo

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granbar:

2341x, not 234lx

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|Torg|:

what are the two files?

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granbar:

|Torg|: Those are the firmwares for the TV-Card, but I got it working now. I just misspelled one of them :)

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|Torg|:

ahh ok :)

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granbar:

Now I'm trying to get the remote to work :)

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granbar:

Do I have to configure freq and everything manually with lirc?

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|Torg|:

what is your input?

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granbar:

my remote?

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|Torg|:

that too, what is it sending to?

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granbar:

I've got a hauppage PVR-150 IR-blaster

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granbar:

the ir-blaster

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granbar:

sorry if I'm answering wrongly :S

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|Torg|:

do you have lirc installed?

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granbar:

yes

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granbar:

It's unconfigured at the moment

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|Torg|:

you will need to grab a config file for it, I can post one if you cant find it

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granbar:

Do you have one for my remote?

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|Torg|:

yes but I dont use it

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granbar:

okay

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granbar:

thanks then

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|Torg|:

http://www.blushingpenguin.com/mark/lmilk/

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|Torg|:

there are the files

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granbar:

And by the way... I don't think I've installed my input device

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|Torg|:

the input device is a custom input to lirc

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|Torg|:

those files I gave you the link to is how to make it work

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|Torg|:

most are simply serial dongles and you just put whatever serial port its on

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xzcvczx:

yay picopsu + xbox case + pci riser card are on their way

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granbar:

oh

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granbar:

|Torg|: I'm sorry, but I've failed to understand you properly

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granbar:

I've got an box connected to my USB. I understand that this box is called an IR-blaster.

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granbar:

heh

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|Torg|:

the input for your card is not a standard serial port afaik

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granbar:

It'

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granbar:

It's connected by USB

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|Torg|:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/PVR150_Remote

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achew22:

|Torg|, I figured it out — qt3 is in /usr/qt/3

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Honk^away:

maybe he's trying to use the pvr150 remote with a seperate ir receiver? =)

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granbar:

The reciever is in no way connected to the actual PCI-card

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Honk^away:

told ya :p

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kormoc:

a receiver is not a blaster, by the way

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kormoc:

a blaster 'blasts' out ir, it sends ir signals

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kormoc:

a receiver receives them, it reads ir signals

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granbar:

aha

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granbar:

hehe

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granbar:

Makes sense :P

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granbar:

So I've got a reciever that's connected by USB

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granbar:

Any clue on what kind of drivers I need for that?

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kormoc:

depends on the unit. is it a microsoft mce remote and receiver?

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|Torg|:

any clue of what kind of reciver it is?

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granbar:

It's made in the philipines and says "SMK" on the back

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granbar:

It might be a MCE thingy, since the remote is.

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granbar:

It's got two holes for jacks in the back as well.

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kormoc:

http://www.bu-com.de/images/ebay/ms%20mce%20fb.gif <-- look like that?

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granbar:

nah. The remote does though

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kormoc:

hrm, that one uses lirc's mceusb2 driver, yours might be the mceusb driver, or the mceusb2 driver, or neather

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granbar:

okay

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granbar:

Where do I get mceusb?

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kormoc:

from lirc

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alpaca:

i cant seem to find the correct procedure to build a collection of music with mythtv, i have all the correct parts installed, i just cant find where to actually add the music

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granbar:

aha. Lirc modules

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achew22:

kormoc, can you help me with compiling myth. will you look at the error its spitting out please http://pastebin.ca/207530?

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CyberKnet2:

hmmm...

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CyberKnet2:

why would mythweb be causing a 500 : couldn't check user. No user file?: /mythweb/

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alsoconfused:

CyberKnet2: sounds like there's an htaccess file somewhere but no htpasswd file

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Ediehow:

anyone around who uses a blaster?

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netw1z:

ir blaster?

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Ediehow:

yes

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frankrizzo:

im having trouble freeing up free space on my myth tv box, I have told it to delete a lot of programs in addition to transcoding a bunch of programs

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Paladine:

man check this baby out :)

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Paladine:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Servers-Filer-FC-Array- . . . cmdZViewItem

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frankrizzo:

but the space isnt getting freed up, what could be casuing the programs to not delete and the transcoding not to happen?

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CyberKnet2:

alsoconfused: indeed it would, but the file is certainly present

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CyberKnet2:

would mod_rewrite interfere with the path to a password file?

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siXy:

£90 postage....

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Paladine:

sixy I wold go collect it

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siXy:

true. for £19 its a good deal tbh

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Ediehow:

ah SHOOT

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Ediehow:

something is scrweed up with mythtv

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Ediehow:

it's saying "unknown (0 minutes mins)

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Ediehow:

on stuff

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Paladine:

trying to find a new case for my server

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Paladine:

but e-atx cases are so damned expensive

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Paladine:

I might get one of these http://www.thermalrock.com/chassis/circle/circle.htm

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siXy:

Paladine: ive seen some very cheap 4u rackmounts cases w/out psus

[02:35:58]

Paladine:

can't find anything cheap on ebay

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Paladine:

my 2GB ECC Registered ram arrived today

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Paladine:

so hopefully get the box reinstalled this weekend

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siXy:

not on ebay – on 'normal' internet shops.

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Paladine:

got any links?

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siXy:

hang on

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siXy:

oh what country are you in btw?

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Paladine:

I need to find an IO plate for this mobo too

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Paladine:

UK

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Ediehow:

YES, i got my usb ir blaster working!

[02:38:03]

Paladine:

edie what blaster?

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siXy:

http://www.aria.co.uk/productslist.asp?name=C . . . p%3Fid=21483

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siXy:

£68 inc vat

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Ediehow:

usb-uirt

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Ediehow:

i had to set min_repeat to 0

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Paladine:

yeah thats nice but I am a poor student with a mortgage, kid, missus and 3 cats

[02:39:50]

Paladine:

I was hoping to find a tower in the 30–40 quid range

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Paladine:

anyone had any luck with the MCE IR Blasters yet?

[02:40:29]

CyberKnet2:

isn't the Sonata in the 30–40 quid range?

[02:41:06]

Paladine:

hmm where the heck can I buy I/O case plates?

[02:41:08]

siXy:

e-atx may be an issue with thaat

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CyberKnet2:

somehow I missed the e-atx bit

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** CyberKnet2 loves his quiet sonata **

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siXy:

in fact i think e-atx may be asking too much of any cheap case nowadays – they all seem to be mid-towers

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Paladine:

yeah I might just get some nice spray paint and refinish my existing case

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Paladine:

I really wanna find an I/O plate for the back though

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Paladine:

the only ones I can find are with sound

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Paladine:

my tyan board has dual ethernet where sound normally goes (and no built in sound card)

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siXy:

did it not come with one?

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Ediehow:

can someone help me?

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Ediehow:

my listings are SCREWED

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Ediehow:

it has the name of the cannel

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Paladine:

the original board did

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Ediehow:

but everything is unknown

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Paladine:

but it was an MSI K7D Master which has sound, so different back plate

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Paladine:

but itgot fried

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Paladine:

so I replaced it with the Tyan K7 Thunder

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siXy:

most mbs come with a back plate in the box

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Paladine:

the tyan was bought used

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siXy:

ahh. well i would give tyan a ring then

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Paladine:

its a way discontinued board

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Ediehow:

what in the world is wrong?

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Ediehow:

my listings are SCREWED

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Ediehow:

hi xris

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xris:

evening

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CyberKnet:

hey xris

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Ediehow:

i finally got usb-uirt working with my satellite

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xris:

still no satellite for me.. I keep buying other things instead of a new dish. heh

[02:56:55]

Ediehow:

but i am having a problem with other things in mythtv now

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CyberKnet:

xris: got a bit of a conundrum for you with mythweb still.

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Ediehow:

for one thing, the external channel change script works externally, but not with myth

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Ediehow:

ch_channel 106 that works as user root

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Ediehow:

is that the problem? that it requires you to be user root?

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Ediehow:

or does mythtv handle all that?

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xris:

CyberKnet?

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CyberKnet:

xris: From my error_log: [crit] [client 192.168.1.51] configuration error: couldn't check user. No user file?: /mythweb/

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xris:

weird

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xris:

don't think I've ever seen that one before

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CyberKnet:

looks like a .htaccess issue ... but I know the values in .htaccess is correct

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CyberKnet:

does mod_rewrite mess with the path to the htpasswd somehow?

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CyberKnet:

I don't know enough about mod_rewrite to know... I looked online, but came up empty

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xris:

it shouldn't, no

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xris:

oh, wait.. read the user stuff in .htaccess

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CyberKnet:

so I can't figure out why it would be looking at /mythweb/ for a user file

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frankrizzo:

is there any process that controls the actual deleting of shows I told Mythtv to delete? Myth isnt deleting what I tell it to.

[03:01:36]

CyberKnet:

my authuserfile line is: AuthUserFile /var/www/htpasswd

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xris:

CyberKnet: If you're running Apache earlier than 2.2, you will need to use AuthDigestFile instead of AuthUserFile.

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CyberKnet:

aha. time to upgrade apache too I guess

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Ediehow:

error was encountered while displaying video?

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Ediehow:

that's what i get when i punch in a channel in mythtv(and it is supposed to use external script ch_channel)

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CyberKnet:

xris: are you still on FC4?

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xris:

5

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CyberKnet:

hmm I'm still on 4

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CyberKnet:

looks like I'll have to find a way other than yum for apache 2.2

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nandy_:

is there a way to check if my mythtv install was compiled with XvMC support?

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Ediehow:

hey xris, could you tell me?:)

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xris:

CyberKnet: or just use the old command

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xris:

Ediehow: need a more specific error message

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Ediehow:

xris: why does the channel change script work outside of myth but not in it?

[03:08:24]

Ediehow:

does it have something to do with root?

[03:08:48]

xris:

Ediehow: shouldn't. displaying video doesn't really have to do with the channel change command. unless the command is returning a bad value

[03:08:57]

Ediehow:

that's what i am wondering

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Ediehow:

the input is like

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Ediehow:

"ch_channel 205" to change channel to 205

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Ediehow:

uhh

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sphery:

Ediehow: try putting the path to the script in the change channel command

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Ediehow:

livetv is doing this now

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Ediehow:

http://pastebin.ca/207652

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Ediehow:

sphery: ok

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sphery:

may be that it's not in the PATH of the environment in which it's executed.

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Ediehow:

2006-10–17 22:06:53.790 Program table update complete.

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Ediehow:

don't know why mythfilldatabase stops at this

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Ediehow:

sphery: i don't know if i can do that, actually

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Ediehow:

because mythtvsetup keeps cutting off what i put in that entry

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Ediehow:

well i'm a doofus

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Ediehow:

i fixed that problem

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CyberKnet:

xris: are you sure that in apache 2.0 it was authdigestfile and not authuserfile?

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xris:

CyberKnet: pretty sure that for digest stuff it was.

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xris:

for htpasswd, it was something else, though.

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CyberKnet:

Hmm... i never used digest stuff

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xris:

ahh, then it's a different config option altogether

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CyberKnet:

AuthUserFile according to the apache docs

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xris:

hmm

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xris:

docs for 2?

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xris:

or 2.2?

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Ediehow:

hooray!

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CyberKnet:

2.0

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Ediehow:

i got it working!

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Ediehow:

usb-uirt and uirt2_raw

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CyberKnet:

got it working with digest

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CyberKnet:

later folks

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xris:

heh

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CyberKnet:

mm.. what happened to the mythweather theming in mythweb that I put there a while back/

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CyberKnet:

?

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xris:

CyberKnet: it's still there somewhere, I think

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CyberKnet:

Hmm... I don't see it

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xris:

hmm, maybe I made it part of the grey skin.

[03:30:36]

CyberKnet:

oh well. it was a nice feature while it lasted for those who used it ;)

[03:30:38]

xris:

or just removed it.

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CyberKnet:

the grey theme has the nice weather icons

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xris:

ok, that's what I did, then. heh.

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CyberKnet:

but I like the blue color scheme better. I guess I'll do a little hacking thne :)

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xris:

gant is grey, so I put the matching icons with the theme.

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CyberKnet:

later ;)

[03:31:42]

xris:

easy enough to make your own skin. heh

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CyberKnet:

yep. I'll just make a copy of blue and modify it.

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granbar:

NVP is not playing after 20000 msec

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granbar:

Well good night, f0olks!

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Freman:

G'day folks. with mythfilldatabase if I specify --file freetoair -1 xmlfile.xml | does that require the data for ALL channels be rolled into the one xml file? or will it work on a per channel basis?

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** Freman pokes around the channel **

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kenguru:

Yeah! i just got mythtv working :)

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kenguru:

i scanned channels over 4 hours and finally found 3 channels (12 should be correct number)

[04:08:13]

Freman:

You might need an amplifier or alignment

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siXy:

4 hours :O

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kenguru:

yeah, signal is only 50% dvb-c

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frankrizzo:

I am having trouble freeing up free space on my myth tv box, I have told it to delete a lot of programs in addition to transcoding a bunch of programs, but the space isnt getting freed up. what could be casuing the programs to not delete and the transcoding not to happen?

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kenguru:

tv seems to work fine.

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Freman:

frankrizzo: it takes a while for trancode to finish

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Freman:

a long while in some cases

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frankrizzo:

i gave it like 36 hours

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Freman:

I'm still looking for a hint with mythfilldatabase...

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frankrizzo:

would that also be why things are not getting deleted?

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Freman:

it won't delete until transcoding is finished

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frankrizzo:

i told it from the "watch recordings" menu option to delete around 50–100 gigs of shows

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frankrizzo:

ahh, so its all the same process

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frankrizzo:

wonderful

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Freman:

however, it's a good idea to check the "status" page

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Freman:

make sure it's actually transcoding and not crashed

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kenguru:

Freman, what is signal level normally? around 70% ?

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Freman:

I've got 19–20% signal but extreamly high signal to noise (This is where it counts)

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frankrizzo:

Freman, it has a bunch of jobs queued up that occur in the past

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frankrizzo:

so it looks like its not even doing anything.....

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frankrizzo:

but it still records upcomming shows that I schedule

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roz:

I am upgrading my mythtv box software, and before I go down this road, I am curious, on Gentoo, which kernel and ivtv drivers are the best to use right now?

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siXy:

always use the latest kernel. i am not aware with any troubles with the latest ivtv either.

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tt-ric:

/msg nickserv set hide email on

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tt-ric:

/msg nickserv set email ric_mommer@hotmail.com

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Zachron:

hey im having some issues with nuvexport, i get all the info put in (what i want to export etc) and then it just sits there and "Waiting for mythtranscode to set up the fifos" does that till it times out, any ideas why it would do this?

[04:41:36]

tt-ric:

my name is Ric. I'm fron Trolltech and am interested in supporting MythTV. Who should I talk to?

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frankrizzo:

so your interested in helping out people with their MythTV problems?

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roz:

are they trying to get IVTV into the kernel source pkg

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roz:

?

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tt-ric:

I'm interested in supporting the project financially. Since dev is based on Trolltech's Qt and it's a great showcase for our community (GPL) SDK

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tt-ric:

before this gets too crazy, I must warn you that I'm in sales, not dev

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siXy:

tt-ric: i suspect that the devs would be very intereted to hear from you. however, the mailing list as opposed tot he irc channel, is probably the best place to go

[04:45:25]

tt-ric:

I have looked over the MythTV site and cannot find a single point of contact to speak to about the subject

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Captain_Murdoch:

tt-ric: you didn't search very hard or can't read well. the main developer's name is right at the bottom of the front page of the website.

[04:46:39]

Captain_Murdoch:

even has a link to his email.

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tt-ric:

yes it is, but his email is much more difficult to find. I found a .edu email address but wasn't sure if it was current

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siXy:

most devs of projects like this dont post direct contact details as they get abused too much. http://www.mythtv.org/modules.php?name=MythInfo has the mailing lists – i sugget myth-dev

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Captain_Murdoch:

yes, that's a current address.

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siXy:

Captain_Murdoch: i thought that was bouncing emails atm?

[04:47:51]

Captain_Murdoch:

you might just drop in on #mythtv since that's where he (and some of us other devs) hang out.

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siXy:

maybe just my crappy isps mailserver however...

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tt-ric:

ok, I sent an email but haven't yet rec'd a response. I'm sure he's busy and will get to it eventually.

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Captain_Murdoch:

siXy: maybe so. I notice it's not where he posts from so maybe it changed.

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tt-ric:

I

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Captain_Murdoch:

tt-ric: you might just try asking in the #mythtv channel. his nick is 'Chutt'.

[04:49:10]

tt-ric:

I

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tt-ric:

I'll drop by #MythTV and see whos home...

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tt-ric:

thx, all

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Captain_Murdoch:

not sure if he'd be interested in anything, but can't hurt for you to ask.

[04:50:37]

Captain_Murdoch:

look in the mailing list archives for the address he uses to post, the one on the website may be outdated.

[04:52:42]

fatmatt:

out of curiosity, how would it work with corporate donations to myth? would they expect payback, like a link somewhere or a logo or something?

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Zachron:

hey im having some issues with nuvexport, i get all the info put in (what i want to export etc) and then it just sits there and "Waiting for mythtranscode to set up the fifos" does that till it times out, any ideas why it would do this?

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Captain_Murdoch:

fatmatt: depends on whether it was accepted or not to begin with. that hasn't happened until just recently when the company that one of the devs works for donated a new server to run the mythtv.org website, svn, etc.. read the top news item on the site for more info.

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fatmatt:

yah, saw that

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Captain_Murdoch:

Isaac's not much into things like that as I'm sure he'll tell you.

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Captain_Murdoch:

also doesn't want to have to deal with taxes really.

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fatmatt:

ooh that remnds me, gotta do my tax soon...

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AlefBet:

I have an issue with the IVTV driver. After upgrading from 0.4 to 0.6 MythTV doesn't change channels.

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AlefBet:

I can watch TV, but I can only watch channel 4 or whatever it starts tuned to.

[05:13:56]

AlefBet:

Anyone seen that before?

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AlefBet:

I was seeing it with MythTV 0.18, but it's still there after uninstalling and installing 0.19.

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AlefBet:

I'm hoping I don't have to set up an external command to change channels, because it's a Hauppauge 500 and I don't know how to handle the dual tuner part of it.

[05:16:28]

AlefBet:

Any suggestions?

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mishehu:

don't have a 500

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mishehu:

just got a 250

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AlefBet:

K

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Bio_Hazard:

Quick question: I created some playback groups, how do I delete them?

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Bio_Hazard:

Also, how do I rename a recording group?

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Bio_Hazard:

I can't find any ways to edit them in the menus and I don't want to fish them out of the database if I don't have to.

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Captain_Murdoch:

Bio_Hazard: just make a new recording group and move everything out of the old into the new and the old one will disappear automatically

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Captain_Murdoch:

might be able to delete a playback group using 'D' on the playback group editor screen.

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Bio_Hazard:

How do I make a new recording group? Last time it was by accident and it didn't let me name it.

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Bio_Hazard:

I tried 'D', "Delete", "Backspace" and "Del". None worked.

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Captain_Murdoch:

on the change recording group screen for a recording just go to the empty text box at hte bottom and type in the new name.

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Captain_Murdoch:

or on the scheudled recording editor you can create a new one.

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Bio_Hazard:

Oh, cool. That worked. Thanks.

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Bio_Hazard:

Now to tackle the playback groups.

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Captain_Murdoch:

'D' (the normal delete key) and 'M' (the normal Menu key) should delete a playback group in the playback group editor screen.

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Bio_Hazard:

Ah, I got it. It was M. Thanks anyway.

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Bio_Hazard:

I've got an hour, I'll hang around and see if I can help anyone.

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Mattwj2005:

hey guys I found the easiest way to install mythtv from scratch :)

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Mattwj2005:

emerge mythtv ;)

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Bio_Hazard:

Heh, I've been doing that for a while. :)

[05:49:03]

Mattwj2005:

it appears that gentoo is a lot easier to install these days

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Bio_Hazard:

There's still a tiny bit to do, but it usually goes off without a hitch.

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Mattwj2005:

there is an installer now

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Bio_Hazard:

Getting the system up to that point can take a while though. ;)

[05:49:38]

Bio_Hazard:

Eh, I still like the old-fasioned way.

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Mattwj2005:

yeah no doubt....

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Mattwj2005:

I haven't actually installed gentoo using the installer yet

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Mattwj2005:

I have been using a vmware image I found

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Shizzo:

Any suggestions for inexpensive TV tuner cards?

[05:52:11]

Mattwj2005:

Bio Hazard do you think packages run faster when compiled from source

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Shizzo:

Compatible with Linux of course...

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Mattwj2005:

pvr-150 are not too bad

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Mattwj2005:

analog or HDTV?

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Shizzo:

analog.

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Mattwj2005:

I like the pvr-150....a little tricky to install but it has mpeg encoding abilities

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Mattwj2005:

I really like the pchdtv-5500 for HDTV though :)

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Shizzo:

Im not so sure i am interested in recording much.

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Shizzo:

Just mostly watching TV on the comp.

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Shizzo:

Will on-board video be sufficient, or do I need to look into a video card also?

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Mattwj2005:

on board video should be okay for analog

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Mattwj2005:

with HDTV I recommend a good Nvidia graphics card

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Mattwj2005:

I got HDTV playing and recording on a 1.2 Ghz Celeron ;)

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Shizzo:

I dont think that HD will be a concern. I just bought a monitor, and I dont think it is HD capable.

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Shizzo:

Im just new to this TV tuner thing, and wanted to get some info on it.

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Shizzo:

I knew it was possible, but didnt know the ins and outs.

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Mattwj2005:

every monitor is should be capable as long as it is hooked up to a computer with a HDTV tuner...there is one guy on this channel that has myth connected to a televison that uses old television signals

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Mattwj2005:

not a problem :)

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Mattwj2005:

what are the specs of your system?

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Shizzo:

Um. Its been in storage for about 5 months. You know; "use it or lose it"

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Shizzo:

lemme check it out

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Mattwj2005:

oh okay

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Shizzo:

Celeron D at 2.6ghz 60gig HD 256mb RAM.

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Shizzo:

What else you need to know

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Shizzo:

?

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Mattwj2005:

sounds like it will work great

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Mattwj2005:

that is enough

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Dagmar:

"old television signals"?

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Dagmar:

heh

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Mattwj2005:

Shizzo are you in the US?

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Shizzo:

yeah

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Mattwj2005:

I am not sure something from back in the 40s or something before the now used Analog channels

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Mattwj2005:

before standard VHF even! :)

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Shizzo:

At this point, I just would like to be able to watch TV on my box, with minimal investment. Quality is of importance. It should be like a TV, or better. Im not sure what to expect

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Shizzo:

Recording TV is negotiable. I could see how it could be nice, but not so neccesary

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Mattwj2005:

so you want to watch and pause live TV?

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siXy:

i would get a pvr-150. cheap good quality and well supported.

[06:06:54]

Shizzo:

Can I expect most card/remote combos to work with linux?

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Mattwj2005:

yup

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Shizzo:

Or is the remote hopeless?

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Mattwj2005:

the remote works....or so I have heard....I just bought one recently ;)

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Mattwj2005:

I haven't figured it out yet

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Shizzo:

So its looking like 60–80 bucks for the pvr 150. I was hoping I could get by cheaper, but I can swing it.

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Shizzo:

I was also wanting to get a video card. Is there such a beast that has both?

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Mattwj2005:

hmmm

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Mattwj2005:

not that I know

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Mattwj2005:

if you want to go cheaper you can....but I recommend the pvr-150 because it is good quality

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Shizzo:

I got 50 bucks in my paypal account that I could care less about. Any suggestions?

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medwards:

Give it to me?

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Mattwj2005:

http://search.ebay.com/nvidia-fx-5200_W0QQfas . . . ZtQQsbrsrtZl

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Shizzo:

medwards: nice

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Mattwj2005:

hopefully that will work....that is the Geforce FX 5200 I have

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Mattwj2005:

it works well with Knoppmyth

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medwards:

Yeah I think that's particularily good timing on checking this window.

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Mattwj2005:

hey medwards....

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Shizzo:

Mattwj2005: I thought we were talking about TV tuner cards?

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Mattwj2005:

you mentioned graphics cards as well :)

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medwards:

Mattwj2005: yeah?

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Mattwj2005:

I just thought I would show you mine

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medwards:

00:08 < Shizzo> At this point, I just would like to be able to watch TV on my box, with minimal investment. Quality is of importance. It should be like a TV, or better.

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Mattwj2005:

I got my 1.2 Ghz Celeron recording and playing back HDTV ;)

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Shizzo:

medwards: That link you posted, is a TV tuner card?

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Shizzo:

Im lsot

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Shizzo:

lost

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medwards:

Shizzo: There is a sound and picture quality drop with my PVR 250

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medwards:

I didn't post a link, Mattwj2005 did

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Mattwj2005:

no the link posted in my Nvidia graphics card

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medwards:

Anyways, I notice the quality dip but don't think it's that bad (certainly not enough to give up easy recording and commercial skip), but a friend of mine calls the sound quality 'terrible'

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** Shizzo rubs his eyes, and gets another Mt. Dew. **

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medwards:

yeah, prolly a good idea. Anyways, I'm crashing.

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Mattwj2005:

later medwards

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Mattwj2005:

I prefer Diet

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Shizzo:

Not me.

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Shizzo:

I need all the sugar/caffiene, stimulants I can get

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Mattwj2005:

that is understandible

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Mattwj2005:

just something to remember about analog tuners....

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Shizzo:

mhmm

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Mattwj2005:

the FCC is cutting off Analog over the Air tuners in Feb 2009

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Dagmar:

lol

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Shizzo:

No Biggie.

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Mattwj2005:

what is so funny dagmar?

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Dagmar:

Mattwj2005: It's about as likely as a Bush Exit Strategy

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Mattwj2005:

lol

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Dagmar:

You realize this was originally supposed to happen in 2001, right?

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Mattwj2005:

or Bush have one speech in which he doesn't mess up some how ;)

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Mattwj2005:

yeah I do

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Mattwj2005:

so what do you guys think of all this North Korea stuff?

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Shizzo:

bomb em

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Mattwj2005:

hmm

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Mattwj2005:

probably not a good idea

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Mattwj2005:

who knows who they would go after if that happened

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Mattwj2005:

something interesting that I found about the whole thing was some satellite photos they showed on the NBC news....South Korea was bright in the night photos and North Korea was dark

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Dagmar:

Shizzo: Just let Kim fuck up one more time, and it'll be a race between China and the US to see who can blow up more of NK's military equipment

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Mattwj2005:

the good news is...the world is actually supporting the US for a change ;)

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Dagmar:

'cuz Kim's a wackjob

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Mattwj2005:

I just hope other countries wouldn't start developing nuclear weapons as well

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Mattwj2005:

oh well...enough policies :)

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Shizzo:

Okay guys...thanks for the info on TV tuner cards. I asked in another channel, and the guy is telling me all about pirating satellite TV.

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Shizzo:

LOL

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Mattwj2005:

lol

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Mattwj2005:

yeah a guy was telling me that in #kernel as well

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Mattwj2005:

no thanks.....I don't like going to jail

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Shizzo:

Anyhow- Its bed time for me.

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Mattwj2005:

have a good one :)

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Shizzo:

Well- there have been rulings on stealing sattelite.

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Shizzo:

And they mostly rule against the companies.

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Mattwj2005:

say what?

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Shizzo:

Yep yep

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Mattwj2005:

how can that be?

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Shizzo:

Well, its got something to do with the way it is beamed all over the country

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Shizzo:

And they simply sell the equipment to decode their signals.

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Mattwj2005:

oh that makes sense

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Shizzo:

Well, if you bring your own equipment, and use something that they are beaming out all over the place for free, then you arent really stealing.

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Mattwj2005:

there is free and legal satellite out there too

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Mattwj2005:

the only problem is there isn't much for channels on it

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Shizzo:

Yeah- I know. I just wanna be able to watch CNN while I am on IRC/Web

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Shizzo:

Not too picky.

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Mattwj2005:

just a second....

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Mattwj2005:

I can't find it but there is quite the list in the C band and Ku band

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Mattwj2005:

you can receieve Ku with a dish as small as 3 feet.....and I think even 18 inches (maybe)

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Mattwj2005:

anyways have a good night :)

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Shizzo:

l ater

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Mattwj2005:

http://www.lyngsat.com/freetv/United-States.html

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Mattwj2005:

if you are still there :)

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dorel__:

hey guess what

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dorel__:

mythtv 0.20-fixes is still crashing, guess its debugging time.

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dorel__:

man i cant get a break

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pdlnhrd:

when i start the mythfrontend (v.20) i get errors about baddevice, invalid or unitialized input device... but things seem to work except i only get the first 11 channels when i know i have more is there anything i can check?

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pdlnhrd:

is there something that would cause only the first few channels to work but everything else works fine?

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pdlnhrd:

nevermind. i fixed it. (need to read help better)

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vballrican:

if i add a volume to an LVM group, do i lose everything on the volume?

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kenguru:

hi, can someone explain me how i should work, when i run scan C freq sr fec mod command i get list of all those channels.

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kenguru:

when mythtv-setup try to search channels it take 4 hours time and all it can found was 3 channels.

[08:26:28]

kenguru:

channel name was incorrect and EPG didn't work.

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JohnnyM:

kenguru, what type of capturecard? DVB-T/DVB-S etc

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dorel__:

ok

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dorel__:

managed to get a gdb log of mythtv crashing, who can look at it?

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kenguru:

JohnnyM, terratec cinergy 1200 Dvb-c

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JohnnyM:

and are you in the UK kenguru?

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kenguru:

nope, in finland

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kenguru:

kenguru = kangaroo

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JohnnyM:

ah ok ... what type of scan are you doing? Full? Tuned?

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kenguru:

i did a tuned scan i think so, full scan didn't found anything.

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kenguru:

it nags about network id and tsid doesn't match error.

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olds|h:

anyone here have personal experience with the PVR-500

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in8_28:

my remote is rather jumpy (sometimes take 2 or 3 presses sometimes only one) is this common? I've tried playing with the repeat setting in lircrc too.....it just doesn't feel very responsive

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kenguru:

so i manually modified db and put correct networkid value there for few channels

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JohnnyM:

have you tried tscan to find out what is avilable manually?

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olds|h:

by hauppauge

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kenguru:

JohnnyM, yeah, i have a list of channels and scan founds those but not mythtv-setup scan.

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Joffray:

dvb scan?

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kenguru:

yep.

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Joffray:

dish net?

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kenguru:

cable

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Joffray:

o

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Joffray:

I've had issues with the NID/PID on dvb

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Joffray:

I have no idea how DVB-C works though

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JohnnyM:

kangaroo, did it get any channels?

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JohnnyM:

heh, I hope thats not your real name :)

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kenguru:

scanning guu

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kenguru:

using '/dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend0' and '/dev/dvb/adapter0/demux0'

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kenguru:

initial transponder 170000000 6875000 0 4

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kenguru:

>>> tune to: 170000000:INVERSION_AUTO:6875000:FEC_NONE:QAM_128

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kenguru:

and it founds 25 channels.

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Joffray:

me?

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JohnnyM:

so now try doing scan of existing transports and see if it picks up the rest

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Joffray:

heh, no

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JohnnyM:

I normally have to do that with dvb-s if only gets the channels off the first mux/network and doesn't move on to the rest

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kenguru:

but that output format ain't correct when i'm trying to importing that output as channels.conf

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in8_28:

anyone in here use a remote with myth and have it not be as responsive as you've hoped? have just screwed something up, or is that just the way it is I use a serial ir reciever if that makes a difference....

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JohnnyM:

but it never takes four hours :)

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Joffray:

four hours?

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Joffray:

jesus

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Joffray:

I use a serial ir receiver and its speedy

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kenguru:

Joffray, yeah, i started it about 8pm and it was finished 1am or something, after 10pm 50% of scan was done.

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JohnnyM:

are you using these when you perform a tuned scan in mythtv-setup -> 170000000:INVERSION_AUTO:6875000:FEC_NONE:QAM_128

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Joffray:

do you have your timeout setup properly?

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JohnnyM:

you might want to decrease your scan timeouts

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Joffray:

yup

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kenguru:

i'm using those, when i try to search with those values it says "network id doesn't match"

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in8_28:

when I use irw I get sometimes 4 or 5 events per keypress.... sometimes only 2

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Joffray:

even on dvb-s with transports it can't tune, it never takes more than 30 minutes

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Joffray:

maybe 45 at the absolute most

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kenguru:

http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/dev/224531 <- this is similar problem.

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Joffray:

in8_28: make sure you have it setup to not repeat

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Joffray:

like, certain keys you want it to repeat when you hold it down

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in8_28:

ohh how do I do that??

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Joffray:

other keys you want it to register one per 5 seconds or something

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Joffray:

man

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in8_28:

what file to edit??

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Joffray:

such a long time

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Joffray:

hold on lemme dig around

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kenguru:

sorry, wrong url.

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in8_28:

what file do I list this in?

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Joffray:

I have to remember

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kenguru:

"found channel but doesn't match existing tsid"

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JohnnyM:

the big difference with DVB-C is that there is so much more bandwidth / frequency range in that cable compared to a LNB so yeah it could take hours which makes me think your doing a full scan

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kenguru:

that the nag when scanning channels.

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kenguru:

i know my network id is 111 or 0x6f.

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Joffray:

lircrc

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Joffray:

in8_28: here's a copy of my lircrc

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Joffray:

http://eng.utah.edu/~sherlock/lircrc

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in8_28:

so a setting of 4 or 5 would be better no most buttons

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Joffray:

I have 0 set for all of mine

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Joffray:

except the numbers, I have delay set to 1

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in8_28:

thanks I'll look.... see what I'm doing wrong... btw what remote do you use? I have an a415....

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Joffray:

I have some generic remote, but that file doesn't contain the codes for it or anything

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Joffray:

all those are in lircd.conf

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JohnnyM:

kenguru, can you tzap to any of those 25 channels output into the channels.conf?

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Joffray:

in8_28: as I recall, the delay is the amount it waits before it will accept another keypress as unique

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Joffray:

or another instance of that keycode

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Joffray:

in your case, if it sends 4 all at once

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Joffray:

1 would be fine

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Joffray:

it'll take the first and chuck the rest

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Joffray:

until 1 second has passed

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kenguru:

JohnnyM, yeah, i can but what is correct format for channels.conf? do you have a sample file or where i can found that?

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JohnnyM:

1 sec, and I'll paste a line from mine

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Joffray:

bbiaf

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JohnnyM:

these are from astra2 scan ...

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JohnnyM:

12005:12480:v:0:27500:2309:2310:12005

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JohnnyM:

12010:12480:v:0:27500:2312:2320:12010

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JohnnyM:

.

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in8_28:

I thought it registered every n'th time when repeat was set like every 2 4 6 8 10 th time for

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JohnnyM:

dvb-c should be in same format

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JohnnyM:

kinda

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JohnnyM:

what cmd are you usng for your scan?

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kenguru:

JohnnyM, Nickelodeon (07–19):354000000:INVERSION_AUTO:6875000:FEC_NONE:QAM_128:512:640:70 that's my output for scan

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kenguru:

JohnnyM, "scan C 170000000 6875000 NONE QAM128"

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KaZeR:

anyone here familiar with exporting/reencoding?

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KaZeR:

ffmpeg / transcode / mencoder segfault when i try to convert a recording

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JohnnyM:

kenguru, your using dvbscan right?

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kenguru:

JohnnyM, how i use it right? :)

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Juski:

scan _tells_ you how to use it right

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dorel__:

Juski: can you take a look at my seg fault gdb log?

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Juski:

dorel__: I could, but I'd not have a clue what I'm looking at

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dorel__:

Juski: its an svn 0.20-fixes checkout, http://pastebin.ca/207877

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Juski:

you seem to have me mistaken for someone more knowledgable than I am ;-)

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dorel__:

:)

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Juski:

I don't know how gdb works, and I don't _want_ to know either

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xzcvczx:

anyone have an xbox?

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KaZeR:

xzcvczx, i do

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xzcvczx:

KaZeR: do you havea ruler by any chance?

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KaZeR:

a rulez?

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KaZeR:

a ruler?

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xzcvczx:

yeah.... im trying to find out the dimensions of an xbox

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KaZeR:

oh

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Juski:

I have a fugly noisy xbox

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KaZeR:

Juski, put xbmc, and you'll be able to control the fans speed

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KaZeR:

xzcvczx, i don't have it under hand

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Juski:

at 20% fan speed it's too hot and STILL too noisy

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xzcvczx:

Juski: do you have a ruler? :P

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qu0zl:

try at 0% ;) that'll sort it quick-smart Juski

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KaZeR:

xzcvczx, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xbox

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KaZeR:

# Weight: 3.86 kilograms (8.5 lb).

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KaZeR:

# Dimensions: 320 Ã— 100 Ã— 260 milimeters (12.5 Ã— 4 Ã— 10.5 in).

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Juski:

yes I have a ruler. but I'm at work :-P

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xzcvczx:

KaZeR: ahhh cheers

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KaZeR:

np :)

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xzcvczx:

missed that last time was there

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Juski:

KaZeR: how did you find that info? Is there like some website that lets you search the internet for information? That'd be amazing. I hope one day they make it accessible to everybody

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KaZeR:

Juski, wikipedia :D

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Juski:

E_lossofsarcasm

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qu0zl:

:)

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KaZeR:

Juski, i'll tell my frined you run a little search engine called froggle or something like that to give you an account :)

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Juski:

cool. maybe some training on how to use this 'search facility' too

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justdave:

trying to use the MythVideo plugin and it doesn't seem to want to actually play any videos. It's set up to use mplayer, and if I open a shell and run the exact command line that mythtv is set up to use, it works fine, but when I tell mythtv to play a video, nothing happens. any ideas?

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KaZeR:

yeah, it's not for everybody. kinf of elite thing :)

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KaZeR:

(response to juski, of course :)

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Juski:

I tried that 'Google' once and found it too much effort, so now I just come in here asking questions

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xzcvczx:

Juski: i was looking at google but it kept coming up with 360 stuff

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Juski:

shoulda tried the minus sign in yer search then

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xzcvczx:

did that

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xzcvczx:

and still nothing by end of page 2

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JohnnyM:

justdave, what is the commandline in your settings for mplayer? does it have %s at the end?

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justdave:

yep

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justdave:

tried changing it to be "%s" also, since some of the files had spaces in the names

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justdave:

didn't seem to help

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justdave:

mplayer -fs -zoom -quiet -vo xv %s

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justdave:

is what it was originally

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justdave:

I've tried

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KaZeR:

xzcvczx, just fyi, (not kidding you or anything, i found the wikipedia link with the keywords "xbox dimensions", 4th link

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justdave:

mplayer -fs -zoom -quiet -vo xv "%s"

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justdave:

and

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justdave:

/usr/bin/mplayer -fs -zoom -quiet -vo xv "%s"

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Juski:

hmm I need to prepare some MythTV 'Press Pack' stuff I think

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xzcvczx:

KaZeR: meh my search string sucked then, so cheers

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KaZeR:

no problem xzcvczx :)

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xzcvczx:

man its annoying that a cdrom drive is bigger in length than my mobo

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ivor:

get a smaller drive.

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Juski:

go slim !

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KaZeR:

a chainsaw ? :)

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Juski:

a big press :)

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xzcvczx:

ivor: i would prefer one with an automatic tray

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xzcvczx:

:P

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ivor:

so stop complaining then. :D

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xzcvczx:

ivor: well you cat have a media box that doesnt even open the drive for you

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ivor:

why not?

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ivor:

you've got to manually go and put a disk in. so why not manually slide the trayu out?

[10:04:46]

ivor:

and then you can have a tiny drive.

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xzcvczx:

lol

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Dagmar:

Heh

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xzcvczx:

oh well i will try with a fullsize one and if worst comes to worst will fork out for a small one

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Juski:

always puzzled me why dvd players have eject buttons on the remote

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ivor:

to annoy the cats.

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xzcvczx:

coolness factor :P

[10:12:05]

ivor:

of course

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Juski:

heh

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Juski:

coolness factor. I doubt it

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dorel__:

could someone take a look my gdb log of mythtv crashing?

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stuarta:

dorel__: pastebin.ca it.

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Juski:

just a big pity most standalone dvd players don't use IDE drives, or my epia would be inside a £20 DVD player case now

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xzcvczx:

lol

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xzcvczx:

hence why mines going into a 6.67 pound xbox

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xzcvczx:

pound as in money not pound as in weight

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kevin_:

you modding the case to house the backend too? or just installing xebian and using it as a frontend?

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xzcvczx:

kevin_: xbox mobo = rubbish and mini-itx going in

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kevin_:

oooooooooooo

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stuarta:

not actually a bad idea

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kevin_:

i have an xbox that i don't use. i'd love to do something like that. but mini-itx hardware is a little expensive

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quicksilver:

It probably is mainly to annoy cats

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quicksilver:

I'd never thought of it that way but ivor must be right

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ivor:

but Xbox'es are u-ger-ly

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xzcvczx:

well nicer than my current setup

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xzcvczx:

mobo in the box the mobo came in with hdd and cdrom sitting in front and box sitting on psu

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kevin_:

wow that's cool. mini itx just drops right in there?

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Juski:

xebian on 32MB RAM is stupidly slow

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Juski:

if it's just a frontend, your itx board, make it diskless. doesn't take much (if any) longer to boot up

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xzcvczx:

kevin_: drops in there if you include destructive tools with that

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xzcvczx:

nah its backend and front end

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xzcvczx:

i only have one pc unfourtunately

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kevin_:

ahh yeah

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xzcvczx:

but it shouldnt be too bad

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xzcvczx:

i will post pics when im done

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kevin_:

nice. when you doing the swap?

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xzcvczx:

as soon as all the bits arrive

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xzcvczx:

i just need to find a cheap 120W brick now

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xzcvczx:

im waiting on the xbox, picoPSU, riser card, and brick and that should be everything i need

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stuarta:

Juski: we could be quite busy being on a corner stand

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ivor:

stuarta: you going too? cool.

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Juski:

we could be quite busy anyway, being next to KDE who'll be demoing XGL no doubt :-P

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stuarta:

and across the road from debian & foyles

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ivor:

er....

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ivor:

oh crap.

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stuarta:

can we throw rocks at ivor next door?

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stuarta:

hey OV17 isn't next to OV16

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Juski:

oh dear oh dear. some guy is selling replacement HDDs for our DVRs on ebay. we're checking the serial number of one we bought from him now.. if it's one of ours he's fucked. If it's not, he's fucked. hahahaha

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stuarta:

likely it's been nicked?

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ivor:

stuarta: isn't it? is there a floorplan?

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stuarta:

only the one Juski sent me a while ago

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stuarta:

haven't found one on the website yet.

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stuarta:

oh cool. emdebian is across the corridor.

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Juski:

stuarta: it's pretty likely it's been nicked. well if he works here he won't for much longer

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stuarta:

generally they wouldn't go missing from their installed location.

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Juski:

ah but we have stores, and assembly areas, as well as a repairs section

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stuarta:

yup

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xzcvczx:

how will you work out who it is? contact ebay?

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ivor:

er well since they've bought one off him... I guess they know who he is.

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quicksilver:

release the bloodhounds!

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** stuarta looks at the clock hoping it's home time **

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Juski:

stoopid petrolprices.com website not working with firefox :-((

[11:26:40]

stuarta:

it's not even lunchtime. bugger

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quicksilver:

sure it's lunchtime

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** quicksilver has lunch to prove it **

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stuarta:

too early yet. having a big late lunch, cause i'm having beer for dinner

[11:28:14]

Juski:

time to go fill her up.. ooo-errrr

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liran:

stuarta: could you take a look at my gdb log for mythtv crashing? (seg fault)

[11:37:39]

Puh:

is there any way to cut the memory usage of mythfrontend?

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stuarta:

liran: pastbin number?

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Puh:

xbox frontend is slow mostly because the system keeps swapping and trashing the performance

[11:38:23]

liran:

stuarta: thanks, its http://pastebin.ca/207877

[11:39:19]

stuarta:

an operation on a delete object..... (still looking)

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stuarta:

this in mythvideo?

[11:42:55]

liran:

yeah

[11:43:05]

liran:

though i *think* its crashing on other places too

[11:46:07]

Dagmar:

Before I write one, does anyone know of a script to use to populate the data in MythVideo *without* searching IMDB?

[11:47:18]

cornell_w:

I have a problem with, I'm guessing, sound cards. When I shutdown, or run alsaconf, I get a dump: http://pastebin.com/804279.

[11:49:33]

cornell_w:

I had an onboard (disabled) and a Soundblaster card. I wget (wgot?) alsa driver,lib and utils, did a make and make install on each, tried to start alsaconf, and got the same thing. I shutdown, removed the card and enabled the onboard (AC97?) and booted, and I get similar dump.

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cornell_w:

Any ideas?

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cornell_w:

Oh... knoppmyth R5D1, as I recall, mythtv 0.19

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stuarta:

liran: since it's crapping out in a storage container, it's likely that there is some missing locking somewhere

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Dagmar:

cornell: Lovely how slow pastebin is today

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Dagmar:

cornell: Which kernel are you using?

[11:51:24]

Dagmar:

(yes, I still can't get your paste to come up)

[11:51:33]

stuarta:

changing what is stored in the container invalidates any iterator into that container.

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liran:

stuarta: sorry it doesnt tell me much.

[11:52:56]

liran:

stuarta: where is the problem exactly?

[11:53:34]

stuarta:

dunno. i'm giving pointers to aid your debugging and fixing...

[11:53:50]

liran:

stuarta: i can say that i experienced those crashes with 0.19 from debian sid, then upgraded to 0.20, and now removed *everything* mythtv related from packages and built it entirely from source (svn 0.20-fixed checkout)

[11:54:16]

liran:

stuarta: my point being that i dont think its mythtv related but rather maybe a hardware issue, im just not sure how to find that hardware fault

[11:54:41]

stuarta:

is it consistent in where/when it crashes?

[11:55:29]

liran:

stuarta: well i mostly just play with the videos library which is where it crashes almost all the time, i guess its crashing elsewhere too.

[11:55:55]

Dagmar:

I love it when people paste their questions without waiting for answers.

[11:57:09]

liran:

i wish there was a way to benchmark the hardware (mb, cpu) and see if it locks on too

[11:57:26]

Juski:

bloody 10 mile round trip to go for petrol round here.. sucky

[11:57:52]

xzcvczx:

Dagmar: are you planning on writing a script which will just do your whole video folder at once?

[11:58:13]

xzcvczx:

(imdb0

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stuarta:

looks like simple_ref_ptr implemented in quicksp.h isn't thread safe.

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** stuarta heads out for lunch **

[11:59:11]

cornell_w:

Dagmar.... um.... Don't know the kernel... it's whatever is in knoppmyth R5, I'll go to their site and see if I can find it.

[11:59:29]

xzcvczx:

cornell_w: uname -a?

[12:00:51]

cornell_w:

Actually, box is not available atm.

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xzcvczx:

oh ok

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cornell_w:

Working on it last evening... Frustration level went through the roof, and the family came home, so I punched out and went to decompress with them.

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cornell_w:

So thought I'd ask this morning. Hopefully I'll be able to get to it again this evening.

[12:02:24]

quicksilver:

interesting mixture of metaphors

[12:03:06]

cornell_w:

Related question... as near as I can tell, mythtv worked (had it installed on this box, replaced drives and am working on reinstall. Yes, dump problem was with the first install also)

[12:03:14]

Dagmar:

cornell: Just revert back to their kernel (and modules) with your internal sound card disabled in the BIOS.

[12:03:45]

cornell_w:

Should I just ignore this? I can't shutdown clean (it hangs after the dump) and I can't use alsaconf. How big a problem is that?

[12:03:51]

Dagmar:

It's not.

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Dagmar:

They use a decent kernel, the emu10k1 driver is retardedly easy to deal with (it loads and it either works or it doesn't) and the hotplugging should load the card with zero problems.

[12:04:44]

Dagmar:

s/card/module/;

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cornell_w:

Dagmar, if I do that, and install the Sound blaster, I'll be back where I was before, disabled onboard, soundblaster card, initial install and dump.

[12:05:27]

cornell_w:

So... just ignore it?

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Dagmar:

cornell: You can always pester the people in #Knoppmyth about what's possibly wrong with their kernel.

[12:10:20]

Dagmar:

Just make _sure_ the onboard AC97 sound is disabled in your BIOS.

[12:10:48]

Dagmar:

The type of error there is something one might typically see with miscompiled modules

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liran:

damn it

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liran:

what do i do with this box now...

[12:11:06]

Dagmar:

...this is why I say revert to their kernel and modules. If they're screwed up, the guys in #Knoppmyth will know

[12:11:32]

Dagmar:

liran: You start by going and getting memtest86 and testing the RAM

[12:12:07]

liran:

Dagmar: i ran that for a couple of hours, all was clean until test#7 and then i just got tired of it running.

[12:12:15]

liran:

Dagmar: should i let it run longer?

[12:12:43]

Dagmar:

Yes.

[12:12:52]

Dagmar:

Let it run *all* the tests. Basically, let it run overnight.

[12:12:59]

Dagmar:

...cuz it'll take that long.

[12:13:34]

liran:

i see.

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liran:

ok what next?

[12:14:18]

Dagmar:

Then you can go to www.ultimatebootcd.com and download that ISO, and use some of it's tests on your hardware.

[12:15:00]

Dagmar:

At least if memtest86 makes it all the way through, you can pretty much rule out RAM being a problem.

[12:16:44]

liran:

thanks dagmar, ill try both of those.

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cornell_w:

Ok, Dagmar... 1. AC97 not good, disable and use Soundblaster. 2. "uninstall" the alsa I did last evening (i.e. Magic Happens Here (I don't know much about messin' with modules :-) )) 3. Check with the knoppmyth folks about miscompiled modules

[12:26:44]

cornell_w:

Sound like a plan?

[12:28:31]

Dagmar:

You left out the important part.

[12:28:44]

Dagmar:

Revert back to the original Knoppmyth kernel and modules.

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Dagmar:

You don't need to uninstall anything.

[12:29:05]

Dagmar:

Reinstalling the original stuff will trample the appropriate things.

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** quicksilver tramples on inappropriate things **

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xzcvczx:

is there a way to get import dvd to try for longer before it just gives up? (scratched dvd)?

[12:32:28]

cornell_w:

Didn't leave it out, so much as the one set of modules is the only mod I made. So undoing it should revert. But what I'm reading now is, re-install it.

[12:32:59]

Dagmar:

If you uninstall it, you'll be left with nothing.

[12:33:13]

Dagmar:

...which will display even less functionality.

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xzcvczx:

oh ad in mythvideo video manager is there a way to fix the information so it lines up?

[12:36:35]

Juski:

what?

[12:36:51]

Juski:

how do you mean 'lines up' ?

[12:37:11]

Juski:

if you mean change the alignment of text areas that's the theme creator to blame

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xzcvczx:

oh ok

[12:37:29]

Juski:

use a theme that doesn't suck ;-)

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xzcvczx:

Juski: which theme do you suggest?

[12:37:50]

Juski:

or at least check that X is running at 100DPI

[12:38:01]

Juski:

that's the only way to guarantee it'll look as it should

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xzcvczx:

how do i check that?

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Juski:

but even at 100DPI I've even badly aligned themes

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Juski:

xdpyinfo |grep dots

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Juski:

s/even/seen

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xzcvczx:

so im assuming "resolution: 86x84 dots per inch

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xzcvczx:

wont help?

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Juski:

definitely not

[12:40:57]

Juski:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Display_Size

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granbar:

Hey

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Juski:

hey who?

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granbar:

Hey you

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xzcvczx:

Juski: thanks

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granbar:

I can't get to make the lirc-modules to compile

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granbar:

in kubuntu

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cornell_w:

K... Thanks Dagmar

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granbar:

Any clues how?

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cornell_w:

Catch you later and have a great day

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Juski:

granbar: is this #lirc ?

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Juski:

google for an ubuntu lirc howto

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Juski:

you need buildint tools, and your kernel source

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granbar:

okay

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granbar:

thanks anyway

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Juski:

sudo apt-get build-essentila

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Juski:

build-essential I mean

[12:47:10]

Juski:

then do uname -r to find out what ver. your kernel is, then apt-get the -dev libs for that version number

[12:47:20]

Juski:

like it'll say to do in the howto you find

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xzcvczx:

hmmmm now find a second bug with myth/via it seems

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xzcvczx:

s/find/found

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xzcvczx:

:S i disabled opengl in myth and now when i reenable it half the images and stuff are still crappy qt stuff

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GreyFoxx:

Ummmm huh?

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GreyFoxx:

what do you mean the images are "qt stuff" ?

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xzcvczx:

the opengl ones look all pretty

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xzcvczx:

like 3d and stuff and when you just have qt its all just 2d

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xzcvczx:

based on logs it seems to be using opengl to draw its just not drawing opengl graphics

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seth|laptop:

I like the opengl fade, looks great with the myxer theme nuvola skin

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xzcvczx:

well more importantly now is that im not getting the entire appearence settings menu as it keeps crashing

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seth|laptop:

I just wish I could get the ProjectGreyham theme to work. On the laptop, the widescreen one does, but on the TV, my menu choices disappear as I select the next page, but I have a good memory

[13:11:23]

stuarta:

dems fightin words

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seth|laptop:

and as long as my ATI remote doesn't double up, I can navigate ok

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seth|laptop:

as soon as I enter the "blank" menu, and I select the next one it comes back, but inside the next level it goes byebye

[13:13:41]

Hoxzer:

can somebody explain me would one need 6600 or 7300gs for their mythbox aren't they far overpowered?

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seth|laptop:

descirbe "far-overpowered'

[13:18:48]

seth|laptop:

well, I guess you really dont. the bigger the gpu, the better Xvmc would preform, but, I don't think its required for tv playback.

[13:19:42]

seth|laptop:

my mbob has onboard 6100, and I don't use Xvmc, but the forums at knoppmyth are filled with people having success, with 5200's mx4400's or maybe thats mx4000's

[13:20:28]

seth|laptop:

I even have a great deal of success with my laptops GeForce 440go, and it only has 64MB of ram, but again, I don't use xvmc

[13:20:46]

seth|laptop:

GeForce440go = bastardized Geforce3 card

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xzcvczx:

should UseOpenGLVSync be set to 1 if your using opengl?

[13:24:38]

seth|laptop:

well my experience is, use nvidia-settings and disable all opengl vsync, as well as in your XF86 or xorg.conf files, but again, after I upgraded the cpu to amd643200+, I haven't needed to use xvmc, and I just like a color OSD, hehe

[13:25:10]

seth|laptop:

so in answer, I would set it to ")"

[13:25:15]

seth|laptop:

"0" even

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seth|laptop:

but that was just my experience

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Cougar:

seth|laptop: how much bogomips you CPU gives you?

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seth|laptop:

bogomips : 4004.25

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seth|laptop:

from cat /proc/cpuinfo

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qu0zl:

that's weird seth|laptop, my 1.86 mhz pentium-m says 4953.58 bogomips

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Cougar:

and only one cpu?

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qu0zl:

i doubt it's faster than your amd63 3200+

[13:28:26]

qu0zl:

maybe bogomips aren't the metric they were on 1997 ;)

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quicksilver:

the 'bogo' in 'bogomips' is there for a reason you know

[13:28:43]

qu0zl:

heh

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seth|laptop:

bogomips : 3987.36 and there is my slave master is amd64 3200+ slave is amd Sempron 3000+

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Cougar:

qu0zl: not exact metric but not completely useless though

[13:29:11]

quicksilver:

only primarily useful for comparing within chip familie

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Cougar:

my sempron 3000+ is 3200 (35W version)

[13:29:29]

quicksilver:

really just as an external confirmation of the Mhz

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seth|laptop:

my sempron is old school socket 462

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seth|laptop:

do bogomips change as the system is doing stuff, because right now they are both idle

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qu0zl:

dunno quicksilver, it's got to have more to it than that. it seems smart enough to realise that a pentium-m is way faster than the mhz would suggest

[13:30:22]

qu0zl:

i thought it was calculated at boot time seth|laptop

[13:30:26]

seth|laptop:

ok

[13:30:42]

roz:

I am upgrading my mythtv box software, and before I go down this road, I am curious, on Gentoo, which kernel and ivtv drivers are the best to use right now?

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quicksilver:

qu0zl: it's quite literally just 'millions of instructions per second' for some kind of instruction

[13:31:22]

quicksilver:

qu0zl: so the result is a multiplier of your clock frequency

[13:31:29]

quicksilver:

qu0zl: depending on stuff like pipelining

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qu0zl:

yeah but that's different from mhz, as some chips can perform multiple instructions per clock cycle

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quicksilver:

exactly

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qu0zl:

the pentium-m for one i think

[13:31:42]

quicksilver:

qu0zl: depending on stuff like pipelining

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qu0zl:

yeah

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brad_mssw:

roz: I use 2.6.18 w/ivtv 0.8.0 on gentoo ... just make sure you're on a later mythtv-0.20 build than the official release

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quicksilver:

it's not an interesting real-world measure though

[13:31:56]

qu0zl:

true

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seth|laptop:

cpu MHz : 1992.519 slave cpu MHz : 2000.431 master

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roz:

brad_mssw: is that what is in portage?

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brad_mssw:

roz: as long as you're running unstable, yes

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seth|laptop:

wow, almost identical, but when the sempron was the master, I could not do HD without xvmc, and now I just use ffmpeg

[13:33:09]

roz:

brad_mssw: is that what the like _p11444 is?

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brad_mssw:

roz: yeah

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roz:

brad_mssw: i read that IVTV is going through large changes in order to be included in the kernel in the near future

[13:35:02]

brad_mssw:

roz: yes, 0.8.0 implemented a good portion of those changes, like the move to v4l2, which is why you need to be on a later version of myth, the actual 0.20 release didn't quite support v4l2

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Dagmar:

o rly?

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roz:

i am anxious to pick up an HD card in the near future

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Juski:

huh? even in opengl mode nothing looks '3d'.. they're all still 2d

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** ivor chuckles at Juski **

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Dagmar:

Something's supposed to look 3d?

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qu0zl:

i even bought a pair of three-D glasses Juski :(

[13:38:07]

Juski:

just trying to figure out what someone said earlier about opengl mode looking '3d'... it doesn't

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Dagmar:

Oh...

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Dagmar:

That person was likely "high".

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xzcvczx:

Juski: well the progress bars look more 3d than when qt

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xzcvczx:

and same with all the dropboxes

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ivor:

someone's been smoking something.

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Honk^away:

<xzcvczx> the opengl ones look all pretty

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Honk^away:

<xzcvczx> like 3d and stuff and when you just have qt its all just 2d

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Honk^away:

heh.. definitely :p

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Juski_:

damn break key

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Honk^away:

xzcvczx: you know that opengl is well capable of drawing 2d scenes too, right? =)

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Dagmar:

xzcvczx: You need to smoke less weed. The paint engine has no effect on the dropdown widgets or progress bars

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seth|laptop:

i will submit that my themes seem to be "brighter" now that I am using .20, but I guess that could just be the way my hardware uses opengl

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Dagmar:

It's all the same Qt widgetry, with or without OpenGL

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ivor:

we should make them nice and 3d spinny translucent widget wotsits though shouldnt we

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xzcvczx:

Dagmar: oh then where is it changed as they were looking a lot better 20mins ago than they look now

[13:40:54]

Juski:

ivor: nah

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Dagmar:

xzcvczx: That's entirely the power of suggestion.

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seth|laptop:

some of the "myxer" theme's customizeable options, almost have a 3d look to them

[13:41:08]

ivor:

Juski: oh go on. it'd be fun.

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Juski:

look at every pvr that has spinny translucent wotsits.. they're crap

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Juski:

I don't mean the wotsits are crap.. the PVR apps are :-P

[13:42:02]

Juski:

still it'll be better than a fade

[13:42:15]

ivor:

I like the fade.

[13:42:28]

Juski:

fade takes too long IMHO

[13:42:29]

Dagmar:

I wish the fade did it's paging a little differently

[13:42:36]

qu0zl:

i've my new fx5200 pvr set to open-gl and i can't even tell the difference versus the qt renderer on a sp13000

[13:42:46]

qu0zl:

what eye candy has been added? is it only in some themes?

[13:42:47]

Dagmar:

It makes GANT look spastic on mine

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Dagmar:

qu0zl: No eye candy has been added.

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ivor:

on a different subject... would a channel mosaic page actually be of any use.

[13:43:11]

Dagmar:

well, other than the pulsing watermark in the GANT theme

[13:43:12]

ivor:

been pondering the idea, and at first I thought it would be cool...

[13:43:13]

Juski:

qu0zl: the only eye candy (if you can call it that) is the alpha pulse

[13:43:25]

ivor:

but I'm not sure now thinking about it......

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stuarta:

we'd acutally have to support mosaics then

[13:43:30]

Juski:

ivor: I'd say fix mythmusic first

[13:43:45]

Juski:

make it possible to play musak & do other stuff

[13:43:51]

Dagmar:

Add in-plugin editing of *all* the metatags in MythVideo

[13:43:54]

Juski:

at the same time, I mean

[13:44:04]

ivor:

stuarta: why not. especially if you have two capture cards you could have one trawling through the channels and grabbing frames.

[13:44:05]

seth|laptop:

musak, hehe

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Juski:

maybe a file browser with editing features like copy/paste/delete

[13:44:25]

** stuarta suspects we are talking about different mosaic's **

[13:44:28]

ivor:

Juski: yeah music needs polishing.

[13:44:33]

ivor:

stuarta: heh.

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xzcvczx:

Dagmar: are you progress bars go like from one colour here to another colour here

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scopeuk:

music need polishing with somthing atomic powered

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Juski:

libvisual support, maybe too ;)

[13:44:50]

scopeuk:

fatman and littleboy need not apply

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ivor:

stuarta: I thought you hit a page and get a 5x5 (or similar) mosaic of captured frames from each channel.

[13:45:01]

Dagmar:

xzcvczx: Either your CRT has become magnetized, or it's something you just didn't notice before

[13:45:03]

xzcvczx:

Dagmar: or |dark|light|dark|light ??

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qu0zl:

i got under-volting patched in my ubuntu kernel. It's dropped about 15 degrees of my cpu temperature with a pretty conservative undervolt

[13:45:14]

xzcvczx:

Dagmar: its an lcd

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qu0zl:

pentium-m's rock

[13:45:28]

Dagmar:

xzcvczx: Then the remaining math should be simple enough.

[13:45:29]

stuarta:

ivor: not what I was thinking.

[13:45:38]

ivor:

ah. what were you thinking?>

[13:45:38]

Juski:

crack rocks

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qu0zl:

it does juski, but it's poorer as a pvr cpu

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stuarta:

ivor: in terms of dvb mosaics & bouquets

[13:46:05]

qu0zl:

the smoke off it at high load is dangerous

[13:46:23]

Juski:

maybe whole mux recording before mosaics ;-)

[13:46:39]

ivor:

stuarta: er. do they broadcast them?

[13:46:43]

Juski:

IMHO seriously useful features should always come before toys

[13:46:49]

stuarta:

ivor: dvb-s mainly

[13:46:52]

ivor:

ah

[13:47:15]

qu0zl:

ivor isn't there a few seconds tuner time per channel?

[13:47:21]

ivor:

qu0zl: indeed.

[13:47:30]

ivor:

although it's pretty fast on the same multiplex now.

[13:47:38]

qu0zl:

ahh yeah, i'm still thinking in analogue land

[13:47:46]

qu0zl:

no tuning involved with the same multiplex really

[13:48:01]

Juski:

it'd be a pain in the arse for folks who use external boxen though

[13:48:05]

ivor:

but that doesn't matter too much since the mosaic is just captured frames that you grab in the background

[13:48:09]

seth|laptop:

so, could somone in the US use the satelit dvb, you guys are always talking about?

[13:48:19]

ivor:

Juski: well they wouldn't be invited to the party

[13:48:26]

Juski:

so what's the point then?

[13:48:40]

sigger:

is there a plugin "template" – i.e. a chunk of base code from which someone could attempt to write a plugin?

[13:48:50]

Juski:

sigger: yeah other plugins

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Juski:

and look in the wiki

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sigger:

hehe, ok

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Juski:

well I know what to do about folks putting stuff into the code I'll never use. Learn to code

[13:50:21]

ivor:

Juski: I thought/think one of the whole appeals of a project like myth, is to be able to experiment with interesting features.

[13:51:25]

Juski:

true, I suppose

[13:51:30]

Ruleke:

finally, for the first time I'm getting 2MByte/s on my cable connection

[13:51:37]

Juski:

anyway it's all the developers' perogative

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Ruleke:

hello folks btw :)

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GreyFoxx:

Ruleke: Hehe Definately better than dialup :)

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Ruleke:

yepz

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Ruleke:

especially when using mirrors

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Juski:

only thing not better than dialup I expect would be 3G

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GreyFoxx:

heh I've happily been dialup free (other than business tripps where I had no choice) for 8+years

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Juski:

hank?

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** xzcvczx puts away the weed **

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Juski:

we're a bit dry on that front in the UK apparently

[14:04:23]

Ruleke:

I've been using 3G when on-call and it works ok

[14:05:01]

Ruleke:

better than dialup tbh

[14:05:28]

Juski:

ignore my lechy-luddite-ness ;)

[14:05:33]

Juski:

techy, even

[14:05:54]

Juski:

if it's new & all da kidz have got it, it must be crap. that's me

[14:06:06]

Ruleke:

oh

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Ruleke:

it's the only thing that does the job when you get called and you're in a pub ;)

[14:06:30]

Dagmar:

s/crap/clap/;

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jams:

morning all

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Juski:

if I'm in a pub I wouldn't be doing any work there

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Juski:

hi jams

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Ruleke:

me neither unless it's urgent

[14:07:38]

Juski:

never mind urgent. I don't get 'on-call' pay

[14:08:00]

BULLE:

if im at a pub, im most likely not in a state where i should touch a computer

[14:08:05]

xzcvczx:

who in here said they were runing the sp13000?

[14:08:16]

Juski:

BULLE: even when you've just arrived?

[14:08:20]

Juski:

blimey

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Ruleke:

hehe this is what I thought too on multiple occasions :)

[14:08:28]

Juski:

that'd save you some money

[14:08:51]

BULLE:

Juski: well, it goes quick!

[14:08:55]

BULLE:

Juski: im scandinavian

[14:08:58]

BULLE:

Juski: we are binary

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** seth|laptop thinks he has an sp13000 on his cell phone, j/k xzcvczx **

[14:09:08]

BULLE:

Juski: sober, or not sober

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jams:

juski, any thoughts on what should be added,removed or rearranged http://jmeyer.us/e107_plugins/autogallery/aut . . . screensshots

[14:11:36]

Dagmar:

jams: If you could get a little more cleavage in it, people would pay it closer attention.

[14:12:01]

Ruleke:

jams: a pulldown menu to set netmask ? :-/

[14:12:23]

jams:

Ruleke- it's there

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jams:

just didn't take a screenshot of it

[14:12:37]

Ruleke:

I saw it

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Dagmar:

Ruleke: Considering there's likely to only be five or six possible sane options, there's no sense in letting the user do something stupif

[14:12:43]

Ruleke:

I'm just questioning it

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Ruleke:

says you

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Dagmar:

Like, /8, /12, /16, /24-through /28

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Juski:

jams: nifty!

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Ruleke:

hmm ok

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Ruleke:

didn't realise it had that many choices

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Juski:

what about choosing the netmask according to what the IP address is – i.e. make a guess first. save confuzzling the noob

[14:14:47]

jams:

Dagmar- I list them all, but your right should remove the lesser used ones

[14:15:27]

Ruleke:

actually choose it based on ip and gateway too maybe :)

[14:15:42]

Juski:

if they need to use an automagical installer it's highly likely they don't know how tcp/ip works

[14:15:45]

Ruleke:

no sense in displaying netmasks that exclude the gateway

[14:15:47]

Dagmar:

Yeah, it would probably be a good idea to set the initial selection based on the IP

[14:16:16]

Juski:

I mean I don't understand all the bollocks about networks.. no need to know AFAIC

[14:16:29]

Ruleke:

networks are tubes; right ?

[14:16:32]

Ruleke:

:)

[14:17:03]

Juski:

I get confuzzled when folks start talking about the different classes

[14:17:27]

Juski:

but then I've never bothered myself to learn

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jams:

/24 is the default which should cover 98% of the people out there.

[14:18:18]

Ruleke:

not me :-p

[14:18:22]

jams:

the other 2% should know what to change

[14:18:26]

Juski:

awkward bugger

[14:18:34]

Ruleke:

but sure, I didn't know it had all the options

[14:18:45]

Ruleke:

just asking

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Dagmar:

Yeah, especially since we're _classless_ now

[14:19:21]

Ruleke:

I've never liked that blue theme tbh

[14:19:27]

Juski:

clarsless ?

[14:19:30]

jams:

heh

[14:19:43]

Juski:

I've never liked any of em

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Ruleke:

true

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Dagmar:

YEs, as in Classless Internetwork Domain Routing

[14:20:04]

Juski:

it's a case of use one I hate the least ;-)

[14:20:05]

Ruleke:

I tend to choose minimalistic ones because most don't scale too well

[14:20:11]

** Dagmar pulls the lightbulb chain. **

[14:20:51]

Juski:

I hear flushing.. something went wrong there

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granbar:

Do you know if ubuntu has pre-compiled modules for lirc devices?

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seth|laptop:

speaking of the "98%", last night I had my zaurus out,and was walking through my developement, you would be suprised how many access points I found that were still using the linksys defaults. I felt like printing some notes to their printers, but I did not bother, I counted 9 within 2 blocks, all wide open, no encryption, mostly comcast cable subscribers. Heh. ;-)

[14:21:23]

Juski:

seth|laptop: pwn them to teach them a lesson

[14:21:28]

seth|laptop:

hehe

[14:21:42]

Ruleke:

I once scanned on the train and got about 100

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Ruleke:

craziness

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qu0zl:

granbar, i haven't seen them if it does. they have a deb of the source but i dont think of compiled binaries

[14:22:33]

Juski:

I changed my phone's bluetooth name to 'pwn3d' & suddenly it started getting a lot more attention

[14:22:47]

granbar:

qu0zl: Have you ever compiled the source? (0.8.0)

[14:22:53]

qu0zl:

yes

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xzcvczx:

does mythbrowser-0.20 work for anyone?

[14:24:00]

granbar:

qu0zl: Do I need to compile some kernel stuff first?

[14:24:02]

qu0zl:

i had to get the svn version though. the version in ubuntu edgy eft wouldn't compile for me

[14:24:15]

granbar:

Me neither, qu0zl

[14:24:23]

granbar:

So I should download a version from their website?

[14:24:24]

qu0zl:

don;t think so granbar, you do need to install the correct kernel-source

[14:24:34]

qu0zl:

apt-get source your-kernel-package-name

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granbar:

okay

[14:24:48]

qu0zl:

untar it, then get lirc from their website or via svn

[14:24:50]

qu0zl:

i'd use svn

[14:24:56]

qu0zl:

then follow the instructions in the readme file

[14:25:03]

qu0zl:

then hit head against brick wall for a few hours

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granbar:

okay, qu0zl. I'll try

[14:25:17]

qu0zl:

what kernel are you running?

[14:25:22]

granbar:

Don't have brick wall here, but a concrete wall will do, right?

[14:25:24]

granbar:

2.6.17

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qu0zl:

edgy eft?

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granbar:

ya

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qu0zl:

what remote control driver do you need? I may be able to compile it for you and give you the directory

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qu0zl:

i'm running 2.6.17-10-generic edgy eft

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BULLE:

granbar: concrete is to hard, you might damage your head!

[14:26:14]

qu0zl:

but at least he won't damage the concrete

[14:26:15]

granbar:

ouch

[14:26:19]

granbar:

hehe

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granbar:

qu0zl: Great! I'm using mceusb or mceusb2

[14:26:41]

qu0zl:

i'll give it a go, i use atiusb

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granbar:

aha

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granbar:

qu0zl: That would be great, if it's possible!

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qu0zl:

ok, the ubuntu shipped source broke for me in the mceusb2 code in the same way it did for me with atiusb2. the cvs version worked fine. I'll upload a tar to my server and give you the link

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Zachron:

is there a way to change the name of a recording in mythfrontend?

[14:29:29]

qu0zl:

edit the DB zachron

[14:29:47]

granbar:

qu0zl: great!

[14:30:43]

Zachron:

is that the only way? i was hoping there would be an easier way.

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Dagmar:

You can hire a consultant

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qu0zl:

granbar pm window

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Juski:

Zachron: you can use mythrename.pl – but be _careful_ with it

[14:34:09]

Zachron:

Juski: cool thanks.

[14:35:10]

Juski:

why do you want to rename just one recording anyway?

[14:35:11]

seth|laptop:

couldn't you cahnge the name of the symlink in /myth/pretty

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seth|laptop:

change even

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Juski:

that'd be a nifty feature to have in the GUI IMHO.. rename a recording

[14:36:48]

Zachron:

cause i think nuvexport is having some issues when i try to export some recording as a few of them are really like 2 parter tvshows but have the same name.

[14:37:19]

Zachron:

so i want to add like (1) and (2) etc to the end

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Juski:

Zachron: then renaming the recording will have no effect

[14:37:43]

Juski:

the recording filename is chanid_starttime.nuv or .mpg

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seth|laptop:

I know occasionally for whatever reason, when boohbah records, it does not include the title of the show, and my wife does it with the remote, adds the subtitle

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Juski:

seth|laptop: eh? never seen that option

[14:39:04]

seth|laptop:

you hit the menu button, go to change recording... not sure, then hit the ok button, bring up the screen keyboard, and she changes it, it even allows you to change the title

[14:39:22]

seth|laptop:

had an "unknown" once, and shee added boohbah and squeaky socks, hehe

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** seth|laptop wonders how she figured it out **

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Zachron:

seth|laptop: hmm ill mess with it then thanks.

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scopeuk:

seth|laptop how many tiems did you ahveto reinstall while she was learning?

[14:40:05]

** seth|laptop wishes he would have brought his laptop today, coould fire it up and check **

[14:40:11]

Juski:

I get 'play' 'add to playlist' 'disable auto expire' 'recording options' 'job options

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Juski:

and 'delete'

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seth|laptop:

scope, only once

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seth|laptop:

but funny that you asked

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scopeuk:

wow you got off easier than i did teching my sister and brother how to use xp

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seth|laptop:

and all I had to do was reload the databse from a backup

[14:40:48]

seth|laptop:

wasn't too bad

[14:40:49]

scopeuk:

in the last year ive had to install xp over 50 times on diferent machines

[14:41:00]

scopeuk:

managing 5 desktops has soem disadvanatges

[14:41:19]

seth|laptop:

i think my laptop has some version of xp onit, I never use it, hehe

[14:41:20]

stuarta:

that's 10 times per desktop...

[14:41:32]

scopeuk:

stuarta ive doen a cupple of other machiens to but yes pretty much

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seth|laptop:

she uses xp at work though, so shes pretty handy when a relative calls

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Juski:

seth|laptop: there's no bloody rename thing in the GUI

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Zachron:

seth|laptop:thanks man i found it.

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seth|laptop:

apparently there is

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** seth|laptop would never lie **

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scopeuk:

stuarta i did go for limited user accoutns for siblings unfurtuantely my dad jsut use to log them on and then the little monster i have for a sister had the cheack to turn off my pasword so she could use my account

[14:42:30]

Juski:

must be a 0.20 thing

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Zachron:

i dont run .20 ;)

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scopeuk:

that wasent a pretty scene let me tel you

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Juski:

Zachron: where is it?

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seth|laptop:

no, she did it on a fresh install of knoppmyth, before I upgraded to .20, i din't wager its a knoppmyth thing??

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** seth|laptop is actually a it embarrased by the whole ordeal, I didn't even know there was an on-screen keyboard **

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Zachron:

when you are choosing the program you want to watch (i use a keyboard so...) hit 'i' then go 'recording options' then 'change recording title'

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Juski:

that

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seth|laptop:

yeah, thats it

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Juski:

bugger

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Juski:

that's not a recording option

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Juski:

so wtf is it doing in there?

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seth|laptop:

sorry, was trying to remember

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** seth|laptop didn't know it was there initially either **

[14:45:33]

seth|laptop:

she found it

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** Juski laughs **

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seth|laptop:

on an xbox frontend no less

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scopeuk:

you have an xbox runnign knopp?

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Juski:

like until fairly recently I didn't know you could press R in the programme guide to schedule a recording quickly

[14:46:12]

seth|laptop:

no xnox runs xebian

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scopeuk:

or have i put togeather 2 unrealted convos

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scopeuk:

gonan say

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** seth|laptop jsut learned something else, only used R in live tv **

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seth|laptop:

just even

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Juski:

I never claim to know _everything_ but it's amazing when you find out you don't know even simple stuff like that!

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** seth|laptop agrees **

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seth|laptop:

and to have your non-technical wife to figure it out first, shessh

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Juski:

I could have some fun with my wife's recordings

[14:48:16]

Juski:

'shit programme'

[14:48:24]

Juski:

and 'another shit programme'

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Juski:

'Emmerdale – days in the lives of inbred village folk'

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seth|laptop:

right now she is watching Frasier on Lifetime, I have messed with her already and sent the channel_change command over ssh, actually I learned how to do that in this very irc channel

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Juski:

send a message to the frontend telling it to put the OSD up with a news flash saying Bush has nuked N. Korea

[14:50:18]

qu0zl:

lol

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seth|laptop:

hehe

[14:51:00]

seth|laptop:

come to think of it, about 40% of what I know aboiut mythtv, I learned here.

[14:51:16]

** seth|laptop raises a stoudt to the channnel **

[14:51:33]

Juski:

a long time ago I doctored a DVD rip of 'donnie darko' to show my name in the titles at the end, same font & everything. freaked all our friends out

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Juski:

just a bit

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Juski:

anyway joking about mythnotify aside – does that still work?

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qu0zl:

oh dear, i read stoudt as stdout, not stout

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qu0zl:

i need to get out more

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** stuarta starts dreaming of stout **

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Dagmar:

Juski: It doesnt' appear to be in the usual package. Was it distributed standalone?

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Zachron:

5

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seth|laptop:

going to the Renn Faire on Sunday, for some stout

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Juski:

Dagmar: I dunno

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Zachron:

wierd. nuvexport is particually picky isnt it?

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Dagmar:

Ah, I see, it's in the contrib directory

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BULLE:

seth|laptop: "stout" some super duper special one ?

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seth|laptop:

well they make it at the Faire. they call it Capn' Rude's Stoudt. It is very good, and easy on the wallet.

[14:58:26]

Dagmar:

Hrm... parts of it are anyway

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net_tux:

anyone know of a way use the cutlist and export more than 2 channels of audio when exporting from mythtv?

[15:00:24]

Dagmar:

a recording quickly

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Dagmar:

<seth|laptop> no xnox runs xebian

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Dagmar:

bleh

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xzcvczx:

Juski: for the movie the time machine i dont even need to doctor the dvd rip and it has my name as the director

[15:00:38]

seth|laptop:

well I did not want to mod it

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qu0zl:

for shame xzcvczx , for shame

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xzcvczx:

lol

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qu0zl:

unless it's the original version of course

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seth|laptop:

soft mod seemed the best way to go

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BULLE:

seth|laptop: well, most stout is nice, so go balistic !

[15:02:24]

seth|laptop:

I have already arranged for a ride home, hehe

[15:02:33]

BULLE:

seth|laptop: hehe =) good planing!

[15:03:14]

baron_iv:

Hey guys, is there a forum where they discuss the merits of one HD capture card vs others and say which works out-of-the-box and which don't? The hardware guides that I've found are mostly for SD capturing. I don't really want to ask the question here, because I'm sure you've covered it a billion times, and google isn't offering me much info either.

[15:03:49]

qu0zl:

baron_iv, you could try http://pvrhw.goldfish.org/

[15:04:08]

baron_iv:

their hardware list seems to be SD only, but I'll delve deeper. Thanks.

[15:04:17]

qu0zl:

they have a hardware db with people listing their hardware and how well it works. Of course they all tend to say SuperPlusGood for theirs

[15:04:17]

seth|laptop:

http://www.mysettopbix.tv the knoppmyth forums, there is actually a new post today called "One HD card to rule them all!!"

[15:04:23]

qu0zl:

heh handy

[15:04:29]

seth|laptop:

you have to join up, but there is no fee

[15:04:38]

baron_iv:

aha, thanks. :)

[15:04:50]

seth|laptop:

actually mysettopbox.tv, appologies

[15:05:43]

seth|laptop:

for USA Over the air HD I recommend air2pc revision 2 $40 @ ebay

[15:05:56]

seth|laptop:

but I have no experience withQAM or this satelite stuff

[15:05:57]

baron_iv:

yeah, I know the site.

[15:06:21]

seth|laptop:

I have 2 of them in my frontend, and they are solid preformers

[15:06:24]

Fnc-1:

GreyFoxx: you around?

[15:06:52]

baron_iv:

I have one htpc running a pchdtv5500, but it was a serious pain to set up, so for my next box, I'm going with something that works out of the box if I can find it.

[15:07:30]

seth|laptop:

well the one i mentioned above, worked OTB

[15:07:38]

seth|laptop:

but no QAM

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seth|laptop:

:-(

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Fnc-1:

I know this is way the wrong channel... but does anyone know anything about ARM stuff, and filesystems

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** seth|laptop refuses to pay for what he can get for free, hehe **

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seth|laptop:

anyone know a good place /price to aquire a 300GB PATA drive?

[15:09:25]

Juski:

good price? £0.00 GBP

[15:09:26]

baron_iv:

QAM really doesn't matter to me, I live out in the sticks where there is no cable. I have satellite, which is useless as far as recording w/myth goes. I have the R5000-HD to record from satellite anyway.

[15:09:58]

seth|laptop:

so what is that like $30 US

[15:10:12]

seth|laptop:

:-)

[15:10:23]

Juski:

not far off it actually

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drdaz:

I'm sniffing thru the dvb code atm to try and debug an issue I have... and I'm curious where the DTVSignalMonitor::HandlePMT function is called from...

[15:10:36]

Juski:

they cost about £60 GBP

[15:11:02]

seth|laptop:

I would like a 300GB drive just for video

[15:11:31]

seth|laptop:

rather /myth/video

[15:12:03]

seth|laptop:

haven't bought a new drive in a while, was just wondering if anyone got any good deals lately

[15:12:27]

scopeuk:

defien good deal im in the market for a large hdd atm

[15:12:32]

Juski:

http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/ProductInfo.as . . . uctID=442827

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GreyFoxx:

Fnc-1: barely here

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seth|laptop:

I actually have 290GB of storage available, but its on a sparcstorage array, and is 30 9GB drives, in a ZFS filesystem, but its slow

[15:13:12]

Juski:

300GB != large

[15:13:17]

seth|laptop:

and noisy, and warm

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scopeuk:

Juski ok lets say largeish and sub £100

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** Juski wonders where the hell the hitachi 1TB disks have got to **

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stuarta:

maybe on ebay?

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Juski:

lol

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Juski:

if they went anywhere I'd not be selling em

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scopeuk:

lol

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Juski:

too traceable

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** scopeuk wants a few tb cramed into his box **

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scopeuk:

i have 6 spare slots 4 sata and 2 ide

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scopeuk:

infact no i have 8 sata

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seth|laptop:

wow only $100US, that ain't bad

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Juski:

scopeuk: you better get some fans & a big PSU then

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scopeuk:

Juski think im gonan hold off for atleast a cupple of weeks

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scopeuk:

see how much cash i got left then see ifi can blow £200 on a drive array

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janneg:

drdaz: mpegstreamdata

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seth|laptop:

wow, they make a 500GB IDE drive, sheesh, it has been a while

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scopeuk:

dotthey do 750's?

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drdaz:

janneg: thx

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drdaz:

not sure if I'll get anywhere... but I wanna see wtf is going on in there :)

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Juski:

seth|laptop: they do 750GB ones too

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Juski:

and very soon, 1TB

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drdaz:

actually... is there any way of exploring the structure of the code without manually checking each source file for calls?

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Juski:

drdaz: doxygen ?

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seth|laptop:

seagate has a 750 SATA – http://www.seagate.com/cda/products/discsales . . . ,756,00.html

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drdaz:

Juski: that's a package I take it?

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Juski:

seth|laptop: I've got 8 PATA ones

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seth|laptop:

8 750G ?

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Juski:

drdaz: no.. google doxygen mythtv

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drdaz:

kk

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Juski:

seth|laptop: I was testing them at work

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** seth|laptop passes out **

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Juski:

building a SATA jbod unit soon.. one e-sata connector, port multiplier to 5 sata disks :)

[15:21:44]

Juski:

oops. nobody should know about it yet

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** seth|laptop could put the world on there, hehe **

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** Juski gets sacked **

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BULLE:

Juski: just be carefull and make sure that the e-ata port realy supports a port multiplier

[15:22:07]

BULLE:

Juski: not all do

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Juski:

BULLE: it does. not just for any ole random box ya know

[15:22:52]

Juski:

you mean some e-sata ports already come from a port multiplier chip rather than being _actual_ sata ports in their own right. yeah I know

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seth|laptop:

wholly crap – http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/Searc . . . Sku=THD-750A

[15:23:32]

BULLE:

Juski: yeah

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xzcvczx:

Juski: are .19 themes incompatible with .20?

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Juski:

it's not like usb & firewire where you can stack port multipliers like hubs more or less indefinitely :-p

[15:23:47]

scopeuk:

lol

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Juski:

xzcvczx: depends

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xzcvczx:

but pg doesnt work on .20?

[15:24:21]

Juski:

I flatly refuse to make my themes 0.20 validated until I install 0.20 myself. which might not happen

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seth|laptop:

I have not had any luck getting ProjectGreyham to work with .20, the wide screen theme does, but I have had no success with the standar :-(

[15:24:36]

quicksilver:

yeah ebuyer sell the 750G ones but they're still a lot of money

[15:24:47]

Juski:

boo hooo hooo hooo

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scopeuk:

you pay over the odds for "cutting edge"

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scopeuk:

Juski not all of us have much ofa budget

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BULLE:

so we with limited budget stick to 320gb disks!

[15:25:18]

scopeuk:

hell my mythbox was built on a shoestring

[15:25:31]

Juski:

seth|laptop: I never figured out what was wrong with it. I tried, gave up. If anyone fixes it & sends me a patch to make it work I'll put it out there

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** scopeuk admits to lokign at 2*250's **

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scopeuk:

though the 320's are tempting

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xzcvczx:

cmon seth|laptop start fixing

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seth|laptop:

well 3 300GB drives = $300 US, one 750GB drive =$375, and with the 300's you get 2ooGB free, hehe

[15:26:18]

Juski:

anyway wtf is Project GREY HAM ?

[15:26:53]

seth|laptop:

sorry for the spelling, I always get that one wrong, the them is my favorite out of them all, you think I would know how to spell it, doh!

[15:26:56]

Juski:

seth|laptop: try the 0.2 version from www.juski.co.uk/pg/tarballs

[15:27:18]

Juski:

it's a beta but might be ok. lemme know if it is or not.

[15:27:44]

Juski:

I've tested both as far as I can but they need more testing before I'd feel comfortable releasing them

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quicksilver:

seth|laptop: 3 x 300 is 600GB RAID 5ed, which is a very good idea..

[15:28:20]

Juski:

the "will not work with 0.20" is a bit of disclaimer to stop people moaning at me

[15:28:36]

** quicksilver moans at Juski **

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seth|laptop:

well the odd thing is the widescreen one works flawlessly, my laptop is widescreen, but my tv at home is a 43" 4:3, so using the wide, makes hings have issues.

[15:29:09]

Juski:

and btw if you don't like the new, lighter look of the wide theme.. tough.

[15:29:14]

qu0zl:

haha

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Juski:

you know where the GIMP is ;-)

[15:30:42]

Juski:

right.. tis hometime. try out version 0.2 of the themes.. if they work lemme know.. if not (and you know what's up) lemme know

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seth|laptop:

well ProjectGrayhem is my favorite. The wife likes myxer on her laptop and the TV, but when she is not around I used to switch it, maybe now I can do it again.

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xzcvczx:

Juski: thankyou

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tRSS:

i am getting this error: qmake: command not found

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tRSS:

when I do a qmake mythtv.pro. just a little guidance is needed

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** scopeuk wodners if he should stick the money he got for his virthday i nthe bank tomoz and do some shopping :-) **

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xzcvczx:

with the parental thing in mythvideo can you make it so it hides videos or just restricts them from being watched?

[15:38:15]

seth|laptop:

happy birthday scopeuk

[15:38:27]

scopeuk:

seth|laptop was a cupple ofweeks ago now but thansk any way

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** xzcvczx cmon halloween – i'll be 20 **

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** seth|laptop can remeber 20 **

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jduggan:

xzcvczx: problems hidin pr0n huh? =]

[15:39:11]

xzcvczx:

jduggan: yup

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xzcvczx:

seth|laptop: ahh but were you able to go into pubs at 20?

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seth|laptop:

was i alaska, with the Air Force during 4 months of total darkness i.e no sun tan, heh

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** quicksilver steganographically distributes his porn subliminally through apparently unrelated episodes of Diffrent Strokes **

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seth|laptop:

because of the remote location of the base, and the non-interaction with the civillian world, yes, I was allowed i the base pub (bar)

[15:40:12]

xzcvczx:

well i can go to the casino on the 31st

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** scopeuk feels so young **

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scopeuk:

19

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scopeuk:

just

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** seth|laptop probably has a pair of sneakers as old as scopeuk **

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xzcvczx:

lol

[15:40:53]

** seth|laptop does **

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xzcvczx:

haha

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scopeuk:

scopeuk has sound gear older than himself

[15:41:18]

** seth|laptop is 37 **

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** scopeuk also suspects his goblin teas made may be older than him **

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scopeuk:

wodnerful invention althoguh the 800w ketle cant compete with my 3.5k monster

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scopeuk:

my gran knows me too well ;-)

[15:46:09]

scopeuk:

im moving to uni she buys me a kettle

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scopeuk:

and 180 tea bags to go with

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scopeuk:

whcih are almost gone ad ive been here less than a month

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xzcvczx:

:o

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xzcvczx:

where in uk you from?

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scopeuk:

i drink alot of tea

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scopeuk:

atm im in sheffield but im actually from a small town called mansfield

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scopeuk:

so im in south yourkshire but from nottinghamshire

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** seth|laptop is thinking about buying an HD Homerun HD networked tuner **

[15:54:33]

seth|laptop:

$170, 2 tuners, network attached, QAM and OTA

[15:54:38]

fryfrog:

isn't it more expensive than say, a pair of air2pc cards?

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fryfrog:

oh

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seth|laptop:

yes, but I am out of pci slots, hehe

[15:54:53]

fryfrog:

i guess that is pretty good for QAM and 2 tuners

[15:54:57]

fryfrog:

ahhhh

[15:55:11]

fryfrog:

I'm having fantastic luck with my 2x HD STBs from comcast :)

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seth|laptop:

I did just get thenew slave, and it has 4 pci slots, but its on a dual xenon 1GHz board, not sure if that is enough to run them air2pc cards

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fryfrog:

firewire, in broadcast mode

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fryfrog:

they use no cpu

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seth|laptop:

hmm

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fryfrog:

hd is in mpeg2 already, so its nothing hard

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fryfrog:

its *playback* that eats the cpu's little balls

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seth|laptop:

I did just get a second chance offer on ebay for a card, that is identical to the $40 verion for $10, I wonder how many he has

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fryfrog:

keep in mind *those* don't do QAM

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fryfrog:

if that is important to ya

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seth|laptop:

right, but the wholereason I got into it was so I didn't have to pay anybody,

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Zider:

seth|laptop: I didn't know xenon could be used anywhere but in the xbox 360 :P

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** seth|laptop is cheap **

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fryfrog:

seth|laptop: ah, yeah. i'd rather have 50–100 channels than 5 or 6 :)

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fryfrog:

though they do rip you on fees :p

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seth|laptop:

well I got the server from a local internet company yardsale for $45, it has 2 xenon cpu's 1GHz and 1GB memory, and 4 20GB scsi drives, not a bad find

[15:58:24]

seth|laptop:

do you use comcast fry

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fryfrog:

$5.99 for each box, and for some reason *each* box has a $5 "HD" fee :/

[15:58:32]

fryfrog:

xeon

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Zider:

seth|laptop: I assume it's xeon, not xenon :P

[15:58:39]

fryfrog:

yeah, communist cast :P

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xzcvczx:

lol small problem with myth video and its parental crap you can just change the level of the video without the pin anyway

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seth|laptop:

that was my next question how much $$

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seth|laptop:

yes sorry, xeon, first ever intel chip in my house, hehe

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fryfrog:

aha

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scopeuk:

xenon is xbox360 ;-)

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Zider:

I never had xeon, but just about all other cpus from intel:D

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fryfrog:

is the dual 1ghz going to be playing HD?

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Zider:

scopeuk: exactly

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xzcvczx:

seth|laptop: did the theme work?

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seth|laptop:

no, its job is commflagging and transcoding

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scopeuk:

Zider be interesting to see what 0one could do i na pc

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scopeuk:

something liek usign an mac g5

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seth|laptop:

i did however play some dish network on it last night

[16:00:11]

Zider:

scopeuk: yeah, triplecorePPCbasically :)

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Zider:

damn space key

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seth|laptop:

it played fine, with the integrated intel graphics chip, haven't tried hd yet

[16:00:32]

fryfrog:

out of curiosity, how do you make a specific backend (slave?) responsivle for doing commflag/transcoding?

[16:00:39]

scopeuk:

Zider whoudl be sweet id liek to get my hands on an "old" g5

[16:00:42]

fryfrog:

the only option I ever saw was "run job that originally did recording"?

[16:00:45]

scopeuk:

havent had any ppc hardware

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Zider:

scopeuk: I'm satisfied with what I have now

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seth|laptop:

xzcvczx, I am still at work, but I installed it, I just have to wait to get home, to chnge the theme around

[16:01:09]

xzcvczx:

oh yup

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fryfrog:

seth|laptop: x11vnc :)

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fryfrog:

waiting to get home is for suckers

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xzcvczx:

with commercial flagging what % of the time would you call it accurate?

[16:01:39]

scopeuk:

Zider i like what ive got just want some more power

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fryfrog:

i'd say something like 85–90%?

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fryfrog:

some shows are worse than others

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Zider:

scopeuk: I can always overclock if I needmore, but I'm still surprised how fast core2duo is

[16:02:15]

fryfrog:

I've seen it make pretty bad flags of law and order (think of all those fade to blacks that are *part* of the show!)

[16:02:20]

scopeuk:

im ona 3200+

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Zider:

E6600 :)

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scopeuk:

only thign that feels slow is compressign with pqr buts thats slwo any way

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Zider:

don't reallylike those namings tho

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xzcvczx:

fryfrog: oh yup cheers

[16:03:00]

Zider:

it's bad enough thatAMD uses some bullshit numbers, now Intel does too :/

[16:03:07]

xzcvczx:

if you quit out of mythfrontend will ay transcoding stop?

[16:03:14]

quicksilver:

my CPU is 9999+++

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quicksilver:

I've just decided to call it that

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fryfrog:

xzcvczx: no, transcoding is a backend job

[16:03:24]

quicksilver:

it feels faster than yours now

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scopeuk:

quicksilver basically waht they do

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fryfrog:

the fe just tells it what to do :)

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xzcvczx:

but if its already going?

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fryfrog:

xzcvczx: ?

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fryfrog:

i don't understand the Q

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quicksilver:

scopeuk: also, I found a way to speed it up by 50%

[16:04:05]

quicksilver:

scopeuk: you paint red stripes down the CPU

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quicksilver:

just nail varnish from superdrug is fine

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fryfrog:

FUCK RED, YELLOW IS MUCH FASTER

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scopeuk:

lol

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xzcvczx:

well i have a movie thats already at the transcodig stage and is transcoding so if i restart/exit the frontend now it'll stop?

[16:04:36]

Zider:

use infrared paint ;)

[16:04:40]

fryfrog:

no

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fryfrog:

the front end has nothing to do with transcoding, commflagging, etc

[16:04:58]

fryfrog:

it just inserts a job into the backend's queue

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fryfrog:

and the backend does it when it can

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** stuarta yells woohoo! Beer O'Clock!!! **

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xzcvczx:

oh yup cool

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quicksilver:

fryfrog: no shit? yellow is faster?

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** quicksilver heads down to superdrug **

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xzcvczx:

well that was lucky as the fe just crashed

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fryfrog:

yeah, yellow is way faster

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fryfrog:

proven by my scientific judments of ricersa :)

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Zider:

fryfrog: ever tried laser paint? must be damn fast :P

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scopeuk:

sometimes i wonder if irc should come with a /baseballbat command

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fryfrog:

you might also try glueing a little tail onto it, maybe some farings?

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stuarta:

later all, drinking to be done.

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scopeuk:

l8r

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fryfrog:

I know my 82' civic gained 10HP just from yellow strips for sure

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xzcvczx:

seth|laptop: loading up pg now

[16:06:33]

fryfrog:

another 15HP from a wing

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xzcvczx:

fryfrog: so what it then had 10HP

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fryfrog:

add that together and you get 50HP!

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Zider:

I actually saw a "styled" cpu cooler once.. with that silly rear wing, big chromed "tailpipes".. the works..

[16:06:51]

fryfrog:

boost

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fryfrog:

ahah

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Zider:

and UV :P

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xzcvczx:

anyone seen the entirely ott xbox mod on utube?

[16:07:21]

scopeuk:

boost could actually works on a desktop

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fryfrog:

somewhere, someone saw that same item and said "shit yeah!" and pulled out his card and ordered it :p

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scopeuk:

ifyou did a rapid decompresion fro ma boost tank over the cpu andtookthe clock up

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fryfrog:

xzcvczx: url?

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xzcvczx:

seth|laptop: hmmm i think there might be a problem with the theme

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xzcvczx:

no maybe not]

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xzcvczx:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HWL_aYeqEu4&am . . . 2Dto%2Dstop# fryfrog

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scopeuk:

maby its jsut me but thats looks cool

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scopeuk:

apart fro mthe el logo

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** scopeuk ahs a soft spot for lcds **

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xrothgarx:

xzcvzx: you sure went all out on that xbox

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xzcvczx:

thats not mine

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xrothgarx:

oh

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xzcvczx:

i wouldnt do that

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Dagmar:

That dude needs a hobby involving leaving the house.

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scopeuk:

Dagmar hes not the only one

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xrothgarx:

good cause that is way to much imo

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scopeuk:

i need someone to go out takign pictures with

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xrothgarx:

I have 3 modded xbox's in my house and non are that nasty

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granbar:

How do I match my found channels with TV-Guide channels? By naming them the same?

[16:14:41]

Zider:

xzcvczx: that's a disgustingly ugly POS imo..

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xzcvczx:

Zider: i know i am not trying to say its not

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Zider:

mods are fine if they look good.. neon lights and flashing stuff just suck..

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Zider:

xzcvczx: I never said you did :)

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xzcvczx:

what osd themes are pepople using?

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scopeuk:

i thoguth oyu were gonna link us to one of the water cooled ones for a bit

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fryfrog:

i <3 the ummm "old" one?

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fryfrog:

damn, i forgot what its called

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fryfrog:

goes with the "old" them too?

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fryfrog:

damnit, what is it called :/

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xzcvczx:

retro?

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fryfrog:

Ah, yes retro

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Anduin:

The first sign of a good theme is a name you cannot remember or type even if you do.

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fryfrog:

very nice, imho :)

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fryfrog:

i like the seek/time indicator

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fryfrog:

it is not full width of the screen has kind of opaque borders

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fryfrog:

sai nice

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GreyFoxx:

xv: Gray-OSD here

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xzcvczx:

i must say i agree

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xzcvczx:

hmmm gonna look at gray

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GreyFoxx:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Image:Newgreyosd11.jpg

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xzcvczx:

yeah i reckon i will stay with gray

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xzcvczx:

cheers

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** seth|laptop uses the retro OSD **

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** jams uses oldgreyosd **

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seth|laptop:

I just like the way the pause looks

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xzcvczx:

seth|laptop: i think gray more goes with pg

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seth|laptop:

it does look as though it will. Perhaps I will try it tonight, after I get PG working on my 4:3 set with the file I just snagged from Juski.

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xzcvczx:

anyone got any hints on how to get the power button on the remote to stop the monitor getting signal so it goes to stanby?

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xzcvczx:

standby*

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qu0zl:

you can get irexec to run any command you want on receipt of a lirc key event xzcvczx. So if you can find a program to do that then you're sorted. I can't think of one though. Perhaps ask in the xorg channel?

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xzcvczx:

well theres xset s but doesnt seem to like me

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qu0zl:

xset dpms force off?

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qu0zl:

tried those?

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qu0zl:

force suspend even

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seth|laptop:

make sure you have DMPS enabled in your XF or xorg config file as well

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xzcvczx:

i had dpms enabled but then kde thought it was a good idea to screensaver

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seth|laptop:

ah

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** seth|laptop never used kde **

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xzcvczx:

ok well i just disabled screen saver in kde now

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xzcvczx:

qu0zl: is there something like that that uses the same command for off and on?

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seth|laptop:

fryfrog, to set up your harmony remote, did you need to use windows, or did kinux recognize the USB device?

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seth|laptop:

linux*

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xzcvczx:

prog = irexec

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xzcvczx:

button = Power

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xzcvczx:

config = /home/swel024/power

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xzcvczx:

qu0zl: that should work?

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fryfrog:

seth|laptop: The Harmony remote comes with some software that *basically* seems to be a web browser and more

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seth|laptop:

but did it need windows?

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fryfrog:

seth|laptop: you create a user/pass, log in, it finds your remote

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fryfrog:

yes, afaik

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fryfrog:

i did not see anything but a windows client on your web site

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seth|laptop:

hrm??

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fryfrog:

I think they use mostly web based so that their huge list of

[16:39:20]

fryfrog:

er, not yoru

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fryfrog:

their

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fryfrog:

sorry, miss :)

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fryfrog:

so their huge list of supported devices is contstantly updated

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fryfrog:

i just brought my lappytoppy down and used it while i messed around with my tv myth system

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seth|laptop:

heh, i was just wondering if I have to bring it to work to program it, although I think I have a windows partition on the hardd rive that cme with my laptop. Or I guess I can use my wifes, but otherwise I am windows free

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seth|laptop:

however m$ did just send me 2 copies of Windows Vista RC1, if I have to I guess I can install that on something

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Juski:

it sucks that you're limited to using windows for that – worth a boycott infact

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frankrizzo:

hey, i told myth tv to delete a bunch of shows, but it turned out that a bunch of jobs were stuck in queue, i cleared them up and rebooted myth tv, and now any shows i tell it to delete are removed right away, however, all the old shows are not deleting

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frankrizzo:

the problem is, they are removed from myth front end, what can I do short of deleting the raw files by hand?

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seth|laptop:

so am I correct in assuming the DVB-S stuff won't workhere in the US

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nadia007:

seth|laptop, I have DVB-S and I've had it work in the US. Just not with Myth

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seth|laptop:

hrm

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seth|laptop:

well I am going to look at a house, that I will most likely buy, on saturday, it comes complete with a motorized 7' sattleite dish, I was wondering what I could use it for

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janneg:

no, Dishnet uses something that is close to DVB. the signal from satelite is DVB-S, but the MPEG2 Transport Stream is not standard conform

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nadia007:

seth|laptop, I've used vdr running on debian for my satellite broadcast.

[16:51:04]

xzcvczx:

screen goes off, screen goes on, screen goes off, screen goes on wooooooooooooooo :P

[16:51:26]

seth|laptop:

well then it might be worth something, I'll know more when I can see it up close.

[16:51:31]

xzcvczx:

Juski: you theme is working fine as far as i can see no problems found yet

[16:51:36]

nadia007:

seth|laptop, http://www.hoochvdr.info/

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nadia007:

seth|laptop, I've even heard of people being able to control the motorized dish from their debian box.

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seth|laptop:

worth a look, thanks for the link

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nadia007:

vdr is nice, but not as pretty as mythtv. I'd love to see how to make mythtv work with dvb-s card.

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seth|laptop:

I am just concerned that moving into the "sticks" my OTA HD antenna will no longer preform well, leaving me w/out HD, and having to pay dishnetwork for it, as there is no cable service available there

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Shizzo:

seth|laptop: Good luck in the sticks.

[16:55:28]

Shizzo:

I just moved away from the country.

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|Torg|:

I live about 50 miles south of Dallas and mine still works fine

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seth|laptop:

OTA

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seth|laptop:

?

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|Torg|:

yes OTA

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|Torg|:

I use a digital signal amp tho

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seth|laptop:

well my problem might be the fact that it is half-way up a mountian. but 50miles, is aboiut where it would put me from the cahnnels iI watch now

[16:57:06]

seth|laptop:

my antenna has that built in, and dual outputs

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|Torg|:

most stations intentialy put thier towers on top of moutins so as not t block them

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nadia007:

does anyone know if you can use a DVB-S card and get FTA channels?

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|Torg|:

go to antennaweb and put in your new zipcode

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|Torg|:

you can then look up levations and calculate if it wil work or not

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seth|laptop:

I tried that, it says its not a "street level" zipcode

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|Torg|:

can you find the address in google earth?

[16:58:12]

seth|laptop:

thats when I started to worry initially

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seth|laptop:

yes

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|Torg|:

and yes nadia006 I know for a fact you can not

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|Torg|:

ok google earth your new location

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|Torg|:

you can use antennaweb or look up the towers direct from the fcc

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nadia007:

Torg, for a fact that you cannot use DVB-S with myth ;(

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brad_mssw:

huh? you can use DVB-S with myth

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ivor:

?

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|Torg|:

thats what I said

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brad_mssw:

and get FTA channels

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seth|laptop:

its zzoming in

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ivor:

no you said "cannot"

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** seth|laptop google earth is way cool **

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|Torg|:

a dvb-s card is for sateltie not atsc

[17:00:14]

brad_mssw:

right, FTA is typically used for satellite terminology .... OTA meaning ATSC

[17:00:25]

brad_mssw:

free to air ... over the air

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nadia007:

brad_mssw, yest free to air over a satellite. what is ATSC?

[17:00:56]

nadia007:

yes*

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seth|laptop:

ok I am looking at the top of the house

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brad_mssw:

ATSC is the standard used for Digital Over the Air broadcasts

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|Torg|:

ATSC is a north american HDTV bcast

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seth|laptop:

ATSC id what I get, HD w/ antenna

[17:01:51]

|Torg|:

to get ATSC requires a deveint UHF antenna, nothing really special (and a VHF for a few of the lower channels)

[17:01:51]

nadia007:

that's pretty cool. I thought you HAD to have digital cable to get HD!

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|Torg|:

not only is it free your cable company will change you extra for those free chanenls

[17:02:21]

nadia007:

is there a site that lists the channels that you can get with ATSC?

[17:02:29]

|Torg|:

get a DTV setup and they will in fact put in a UHF antenna and change you for the "extra" serivce

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seth|laptop:

antennaweb.org

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nadia007:

I know it would probably depend on location.

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|Torg|:

can you get normal TV with an antenna now? if so you probably can get ATSC

[17:03:02]

seth|laptop:

that is where I am now, |Torg| what do I do now that I have google earth overlooking the house?

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|Torg|:

ok seth mark that location, then go look up the antenna you want

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seth|laptop:

heh, it says No Stations

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|Torg|:

where in the hell are you moving to :P

[17:07:15]

seth|laptop:

but waht did google earth have to do with it

[17:07:24]

seth|laptop:

is there something I need to put in from there

[17:07:25]

nadia007:

torg, lol!

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|Torg|:

it can calcuate distance based upon two points

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|Torg|:

so you find the locaiton for your house, then look up the antennas from the fcc

[17:07:59]

|Torg|:

it will give you two points and tell you how far they are

[17:08:04]

|Torg|:

it is in fact what antennaweb does

[17:08:07]

seth|laptop:

well I know they can get regular broadcast stations up there, actually about 4 more than where i a

[17:08:09]

seth|laptop:

live now

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|Torg|:

*if* its done by direct brodcast (anout 95% of the market) you can get ATSC too

[17:08:48]

|Torg|:

if its done by a repeator you may not

[17:08:49]

seth|laptop:

yet antennaweb is stumped

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|Torg|:

antennaweb relis on the fact it can find the address you are searhicng from, I suspect its maps are a bit old

[17:09:41]

seth|laptop:

i guess when I go up there on saturday, I will have to drag a portable myth box along to test the signal strength, hehe

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xzcvczx:

anyone know bash?

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|Torg|:

who is he?

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opello:

he's a jerk

[17:13:41]

|Torg|:

hes a pain in the ass :P

[17:14:33]

xzcvczx:

meh hes just been dealt with anyway

[17:14:52]

xzcvczx:

does mythtv actually use DPMS for anything

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xzcvczx:

?

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sigger:

anyone know if there is some kind of telnet/cli/other interface to mythmusic? want to be able to e.g. telnet it to play stuff or ask it what files are on the playlist

[17:18:13]

fryfrog:

are there any other cd/dvd writing gui applications like k3b?

[17:18:33]

seth|laptop:

nothing as good, ther is gnomecd

[17:18:48]

xzcvczx:

fryfrog: whats wrong with k3b?

[17:18:49]

seth|laptop:

but k3b beats them all

[17:18:50]

fryfrog:

okay, i'll try k3b and gnomecd in this ubuntu lappy :)

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fryfrog:

xzcvczx: nothing i know of :)

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xzcvczx:

just use nero for linux if you dont like any of them

[17:19:21]

seth|laptop:

I know this, if you are a gentoo user, and not running KDE, the emerge is huge

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xzcvczx:

seth|laptop: very true hence why i run kde

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fryfrog:

wtf, "nero for linux?

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xzcvczx:

hmmm that reminds me i should really add dvdr use flag

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fryfrog:

this lappy is ubuntu, so at least i won't have a lot to compile

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fryfrog:

i didn't realize there was a nero for linux?

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xzcvczx:

there is

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fryfrog:

holey shitskies :)

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xzcvczx:

Homepage: http://nerolinux.nero.com/

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xzcvczx:

Description: Nero Burning ROM for Linux

[17:20:56]

xzcvczx:

License: Nero

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fryfrog:

pay?

[17:21:46]

xzcvczx:

uhhhhh yeah

[17:22:07]

seth|laptop:

better to just apt-get install k3b

[17:22:15]

xzcvczx:

*cough*www.piratebay.org*cough*

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xzcvczx:

:P

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Dagmar:

*cough*bankicking for helping lamers pirate things*cough*

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fryfrog:

guess i couldn't expect them to release it for freezor :)

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xzcvczx:

Dagmar: haha lol

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Honk^away:

xzcvczx: what advantage does nero have over k3b?

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xzcvczx:

familiarity

[17:24:38]

Honk^away:

lol

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Honk^away:

dont run linux, if you want windows

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xzcvczx:

i was just saying that nero does exist on linux

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Honk^away:

you were suggesting to use it ;)

[17:25:13]

Honk^away:

that's different :P

[17:25:13]

xzcvczx:

i have both

[17:25:21]

Honk^away:

nero sucks anyway

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drdaz:

Honk^away: I found it is more reliable with one of my burners...

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drdaz:

Honk^away: k3b produced drink mats en masse with my NEC 3450... Nero was reliable as can be

[17:26:02]

xzcvczx:

Honk^away: at least i said it for last resort not first thing to try

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opello:

nero for linux?!

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opello:

cdrecord.

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drdaz:

NEC 3540*

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Honk^away:

drdaz: odd :P

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drdaz:

very :)

[17:26:46]

Honk^away:

maybe your cdrecord tools were messed up :)

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drdaz:

nah... I whacked my NEC 3500A in the same build..

[17:27:10]

drdaz:

k3b works like a champ

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drdaz:

it's the drive that's at fault...

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drdaz:

it doesn't like me

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Honk^away:

firmware update? ;)

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drdaz:

but nero made it behave

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Zider:

k3b works nicely.. and it's nice to see nero for linux too, altho it's a bit short on features compared to the windows version..

[17:27:56]

drdaz:

heh... been there, done that too

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xzcvczx:

:o i am almost down to only 100gig left on hdd

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drdaz:

^^ only 100gig

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** drdaz farts **

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xzcvczx:

thats of a 320gb hdd

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** seth|laptop has 93GB of boohbah **

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drdaz:

think I'm down to about 20 here... from a total of 550

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drdaz:

:(

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xzcvczx:

need to invest in another one soon..... but hopefully 500's will be better priced by then

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Zider:

as soon as I get some dvdrs I can free up 80GB :P

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xzcvczx:

drdaz: how long you had yours for?

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drdaz:

seth|laptop: boobah = pron?

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drdaz:

xzcvczx: my disks?

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xzcvczx:

yeah

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seth|laptop:

no, boohbah = teletubbies like clone of a kids show

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drdaz:

oh lol

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seth|laptop:

exactly the opposite

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seth|laptop:

:-)

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Zider:

riiiight

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xzcvczx:

yet still what seth gets off to

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Zider:

nice cover ;)

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drdaz:

xzcvczx: one is a year older than the other...

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drdaz:

xzcvczx: about 1.5 and 2.5 respectively I'd guess

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xzcvczx:

lol ive had my one for a few weeks

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seth|laptop:

no but seriousy though, I need to learn how to use mytharchive to put these on DVD, but the files are like 3.4GB each. I can hardly beleive that they would have to go one to a dvd

[17:31:54]

seth|laptop:

my mom watches the baby during the week, and she can't get the program, pbs hd only) and has asked for dvd's

[17:32:02]

xzcvczx:

bbs, having a health stick

[17:32:19]

drdaz:

I take it nobody else is having this issue:

[17:32:20]

drdaz:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/2300

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drdaz:

:(

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drdaz:

sifting thru the source atm trying to figure out what could be causing it... somewhat challenging given that I don't know C++ :p

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seth|laptop:

will mytharchive compress the HD mpg file into a smaller size for export to dvd?

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|Torg|:

if you use a loss compression, yes

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seth|laptop:

I am assuning it is not as easy as cat boohbah1.mpg boohbah2.mpg > dvd.iso

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jebel:

hi all.

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|Torg|:

growisofs -dvd-compat -Z /dev/scd2=myiso.iso

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|Torg|:

cdrecord -v dev=2,0,0 driveropts=burnfree -dao myiso.iso

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|Torg|:

of course if your recorder is on other then scsi use ata: or atapi: whatever you use

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seth|laptop:

so thisis what mytharchive does behind the scens?

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|Torg|:

that i dont know, its what *I* do to make a DVD

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seth|laptop:

ah

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seth|laptop:

and then you can play it back on any old dvd player?

[17:41:52]

|Torg|:

you can do a cdrecord -scanbus to see what burner you hav

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seth|laptop:

or is this just for archive only purposes

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|Torg|:

you can play it back on any old dvd player that can read the media you use

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|Torg|:

that is a realy big IF tho

[17:42:26]

|Torg|:

many of the dvd players cant read DVD+/-R

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seth|laptop:

heh, well I have the burner, I guess I just need to take the time to try mytharchive. I guess the next hurdle will be figuring out wheter or not it need to be on the backend that houses the recordings, or if it can be on any slave in my mythwork

[17:44:04]

|Torg|:

you have to be able to read the file, and burning a file mounted from a netowrk share is not exatly optimal

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seth|laptop:

so it goes on the HD master then

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|Torg|:

mine is, but then again my FE has one too

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seth|laptop:

i only have 100MB network

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|Torg|:

its not like dvd writers are expensive :P

[17:45:10]

seth|laptop:

no, I think I pyed $35 for mine, but it doesn't do dual layer

[17:45:40]

xzcvczx:

does anyone know if you can get pvr150 radio working in linux

[17:45:56]

seth|laptop:

I was just more concerned with the fact of needing to burn 1 episode to disc, or getting more than one via the file being compressd

[17:46:03]

xzcvczx:

i got mine for free and its +- but not dual

[17:46:29]

|Torg|:

if you strip the ac3 and go to sterio you can drop about 1/3 the size, but I prefer to drop video and keep ac3

[17:47:12]

xzcvczx:

is there a way in mplayer to force 6 channel to 2 channel?

[17:47:50]

|Torg|:

1) strip it with alsa and jack, 2) force it to a surround decoder (ala spdif with 2 channel), 3) reencode the video

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seth|laptop:

well the places that would playback the dvd, are not hooked to surround sound. In fact the frontend in her room, is just hooked to the tv

[17:48:09]

|Torg|:

and seth your netowrk is not fast enough to burn a cd across

[17:48:26]

seth|laptop:

good to now

[17:48:28]

seth|laptop:

know

[17:48:46]

|Torg|:

100baseT is roughly equiventlt to ATA-2

[17:49:11]

|Torg|:

GigE is theoreticly equvienlt to ATA-6 but in reality more like ATA-4

[17:49:17]

|Torg|:

its why I said its not optimal

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seth|laptop:

well I'll get a second burner for the SD slave, that way I can burn the dvd no matter what I am archiving

[17:49:41]

|Torg|:

a guess is if you bought your computer in teh last 5 years it does ATA-7

[17:50:06]

seth|laptop:

they aren't expensive as you say

[17:50:15]

|Torg|:

what isnt?

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seth|laptop:

dvd burners

[17:50:28]

|Torg|:

i dint say they were expensive

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|Torg|:

I said its not like they are expensive

[17:50:48]

seth|laptop:

right you said early on that they weren't I was just confirming it.

[17:50:59]

|Torg|:

I have two in my backend, one in my front, 2 in my desktop, one in my wifes

[17:51:07]

seth|laptop:

for got th as above, my bad

[17:51:12]

|Torg|:

and about 4 more sitting in my pile-o hardware

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seth|laptop:

must be nice

[17:54:19]

|Torg|:

what that I have a pile of hardware my wife is on my ass about all the time :P

[17:54:24]

** seth|laptop this burner just crapped out. oh, just grab another one off the shelf. sweet :-) **

[17:54:50]

fryfrog:

|Torg|: I know what you mean!

[17:55:03]

|Torg|:

there is DAT drives in there, 2 486 cpus on motherbaord, a few gigs of ram in 8M sticks

[17:55:09]

fryfrog:

|Torg|: I am in the process of throwing away about 12 old computer cases, have to hide ~3 in each load of garbage :)

[17:55:11]

seth|laptop:

I got rid of lot of old stuff last month, in preperation for possibly moving into this new house

[17:55:16]

|Torg|:

hell I think I have a working comodore 64 here somewhere too

[17:55:23]

seth|laptop:

I had some really old stuff

[17:55:44]

fryfrog:

I have a trash bag full of old isa/pci card, another full of motherboard

[17:55:48]

seth|laptop:

that i won't throw out. it was my first computer, and it still works, hehe

[17:55:50]

fryfrog:

i need to find a pc recycling place :)

[17:56:02]

|Torg|:

I serisuly have about 50 sticsk of 8M simms, I cant for the life of me know what im goign to do with it (other then stuff my printer)

[17:56:05]

Zider:

fryfrog: no garbage room where you live?

[17:56:26]

fryfrog:

what do you mean by garbage room? A room full of junk?

[17:56:30]

** scopeuk starts running channel occupants nicks through bash.org **

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seth|laptop:

actually mine is in good condition , I even have the tape drive, good old commodore

[17:56:34]

fryfrog:

if so, yeah... it was my computer room and garage :)

[17:56:46]

fryfrog:

just got tired of seeing old ass computer cases with insect bodies in them :)

[17:57:02]

fryfrog:

this guy i work with bought his sons comadore 64's for xmas

[17:57:17]

fryfrog:

years ago of course

[17:57:35]

Zider:

fryfrog: I mean like a room on the yard or something where you can throw away old vacuum cleaners, tvs, furniture and stuff

[17:57:38]

|Torg|:

if any of you want to pay shipping I have 2 21" crts too :P

[17:58:16]

seth|laptop:

I have 3 Sun 21" dual input (13w3 and vga) that I kept

[17:58:28]

seth|laptop:

mostly because they are too heavy to move

[17:58:39]

|Torg|:

hahah what do you think those two monitors are :P

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seth|laptop:

they came with my 3 sun boxen, and now I don't do anything but telnet or ssh into them, so they are in my storage closet

[17:59:16]

fryfrog:

ah :)

[17:59:23]

|Torg|:

they are two 365–1408's

[17:59:38]

|Torg|:

they weigh about 7-lbs a piece

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|Torg|:

which is why I said, if you want to pay shipping....

[18:00:15]

Zider:

reminds me of my old printer.. HP laserjet mk2 or something.. could barely lift it up on the desk.. :P

[18:00:25]

seth|laptop:

I have a sparcstation 20 (router) a sun ultra2 (file server dns) and a Ultra10 ( extra web station for visitors) that I currently employ, and I have 2 ultra 30's in the storage closet with the monitors, heh

[18:00:31]

seth|laptop:

lots of Sun stuff at my house

[18:00:34]

|Torg|:

I gave awaya a HP5 to a local charity

[18:00:44]

|Torg|:

thing must have weighed 100lbs

[18:00:46]

Zider:

http://www.zider.se/?page=gall&show=2889 – that printer btw ;)

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Zider:

rated at 750 bloodu watts too

[18:01:02]

seth|laptop:

365–1408's are about 67lbs a poiece, hehe

[18:01:19]

Zider:

I have no idea how much lbs is :P

[18:01:21]

|Torg|:

ok seth I was goign by how heavy they are to lift, not the damn spec sheet :P

[18:01:22]

darrenp:

I tried to get one of them beasts into the loft... nearly broke my house mate doing it!

[18:01:24]

Zider:

I'm metric

[18:01:27]

Zider:

get with the program ;)

[18:01:48]

|Torg|:

31.7514659 kilograms

[18:01:52]

Zider:

ah

[18:01:59]

darrenp:

Gave all my old sun kit away to some mug^H^H^Hmember of the local linux user group!

[18:02:00]

|Torg|:

google is your friend :)

[18:02:10]

Zider:

almost as my current tv then.. that's a bit over 50kg

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|Torg|:

I have a 37" the kids watch, my 51" HDTV is lighter!

[18:02:49]

seth|laptop:

I work with sun boxes all day, actually owning some of my own, got me this sweet job.

[18:03:15]

|Torg|:

I used to work for Sun, I got all my gear free

[18:03:17]

** darrenp is a solaris admin too... lots of big toys! :) **

[18:03:24]

|Torg|:

in fact half my house is filled with old IT equpment

[18:03:45]

Zider:

I'm struggling with keeping power usage down at home now.. electric bill is a bit too high :(

[18:03:58]

|Torg|:

power isnt what I worry about its AC

[18:04:02]

darrenp:

I was rather ruthless a few months ago and got rid of 90% of my redundant kit. LUG mailing lists are great for offloading obsolete gear...

[18:04:09]

seth|laptop:

I worked for Sun tech support before, in the storage group. Where I work now was a case I ahd, they asked if I knew anyone interested in being an admin, i said "Me!!"

[18:04:18]

darrenp:

Still got a spacstation IPX acting as a book end tho'

[18:04:28]

|Torg|:

my sparc classic is my firewall :)

[18:04:36]

|Torg|:

the ultra2 is my workstation, sometimes

[18:04:43]

seth|laptop:

my sparcstation20 is my internet router at home

[18:04:53]

Zider:

I pay around $70 per month for the electricity right now :/

[18:04:58]

|Torg|:

and if any of you can get mythcopmmflagg or trnsacode to work ona sparc I have a sumblade 2000 id LOVE to run it on

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darrenp:

I think there's still an ultra30 in the loft tho'.

[18:05:11]

|Torg|:

I may about $70 a week

[18:05:21]

seth|laptop:

ultra2 is my files server/dns/print server and its attached to a sparcstorage array 110 with 30 9GB drives in it

[18:05:22]

Zider:

|Torg|: I guess you have a job :P

[18:05:25]

seth|laptop:

3 trays

[18:05:32]

darrenp:

I'm up to £80 a month. :)

[18:05:37]

|Torg|:

I have 4 semi-non working IPXs for parts if you want :)

[18:05:42]

tRSS:

is it possible to compile just the mythfrontend, rather than the whole package?

[18:05:56]

xzcvczx:

why not just put your own nuclear power station in your back yard..... will be cheaper

[18:06:05]

|Torg|:

well since mythfrontend relies on most of the parts, the answer is sorta no

[18:06:26]

|Torg|:

becasue my nighbors already ask why I have 3 sat dishes on my roof :P

[18:06:28]

Zider:

|Torg|: I'm unemployed, and I am only allowed a very limited electric bill :P

[18:06:53]

drdaz:

I've been wondering that too actually... it should be possible to compile and install the frontend without compiling and installing the backend too

[18:06:58]

seth|laptop:

my electric is part of my rent, but reding the meter, I average about $185 a month

[18:07:02]

tRSS:

|Torg|: can't get myth-whole-package to compile on ubuntu. alright, i will try to compile the whole package then :)

[18:07:04]

seth|laptop:

reading even

[18:07:28]

seth|laptop:

but when I buy this new house, it will all be on me.

[18:07:29]

Zider:

seth|laptop: expensive power or huge amounts used? ;)

[18:07:30]

|Torg|:

yes tRSS jut becase you compile and install it, does not mean you have to run it

[18:07:37]

seth|laptop:

kinda both

[18:07:49]

Zider:

seth|laptop: how many kWh?

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tRSS:

|Torg|: it simply doesn't compile that nicely on ubuntu!

[18:07:56]

|Torg|:

about 2500

[18:08:13]

|Torg|:

compiles really nicly on ubuntu, on any debain for that matter

[18:08:32]

Zider:

|Torg|: 2500kWh per month?

[18:08:35]

Zider:

:P

[18:08:36]

|Torg|:

yes

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|Torg|:

2500 per month

[18:08:52]

Zider:

I use 350 kWh per month, and they say it's waaay too much :(

[18:08:53]

xzcvczx:

2.5kWh then

[18:09:00]

drdaz:

tRSS: since you can install just the frontend from debs... might be worth making debs and installing them?

[18:09:11]

drdaz:

tRSS: don't ask me how though :)

[18:09:36]

Zider:

xzcvczx: 2500kWh is not 2.5kWh :P

[18:09:44]

tRSS:

drdaz: don't know how to do that either! :) apt-get did the job, but then I got the protocol version error

[18:09:46]

Zider:

2.5mWh maybe :)

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tRSS:

with the backend

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Zider:

MWh even

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drdaz:

tRSS: yeah... pity they're including 0.20 in edgy...

[18:10:07]

xzcvczx:

yes but hes not using 2.5MWh per month is he?

[18:10:10]

drdaz:

rather than fixes

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seth|laptop:

Zider – 32,814 for this month 31,551 for last month

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|Torg|:

Energy Charge (2581 kwh) $434.60

[18:10:35]

Zider:

xzcvczx: I doubt it's 2,5, since that won't even power a fridge

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|Torg|:

that exact enough for you?

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xzcvczx:

meh shows how much i know about how power works

[18:11:05]

Zider:

|Torg|: damn, that's a lot of juice

[18:11:12]

xzcvczx:

though i will have to pay power next year :(

[18:11:19]

|Torg|:

well my house is all electirc, I have zoned air, and I live in Texas

[18:11:21]

** seth|laptop thought his bill would have been big **

[18:11:36]

|Torg|:

and its bad enough i run 12 space heater,s err computers

[18:11:41]

xzcvczx:

anyone know anywhere which sell 120W bricks(inline psus) cheaply?

[18:11:43]

seth|laptop:

sheesh that is almost as much as my house rent

[18:11:45]

Zider:

dammit, I use 350kWh per month for just cooler/fridge and ONE computer.. and they say it's TOO MUCH

[18:11:50]

Zider:

bloody wankers

[18:11:55]

|Torg|:

and that big ass tv, and surround sound that pumps heat like it was a spaceheater

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|Torg|:

like I said, electricity is what I worry about, its heat

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xzcvczx:

Zider: shut up bludger

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Zider:

xzcvczx: "bludger"?

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|Torg|:

I can, and do heat my house in the winter on PC heat alone (and no Im not joking)

[18:12:39]

xzcvczx:

well you are on some sorta benefit?

[18:12:52]

Zider:

xzcvczx: unfortunately yes

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seth|laptop:

I open up the office door during the winter, it heats the back half of my house

[18:13:16]

seth|laptop:

keep the guest bathroom toastie warm

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xzcvczx:

Zider: and where does the money for the benefit come from?

[18:13:31]

xzcvczx:

lol

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|Torg|:

I have been known to run the AC in the comptuer room in the winter too :P

[18:13:45]

Zider:

xzcvczx: I don't care, I seem to be the only one not allowed to use that much around here

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xzcvczx:

lol

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seth|laptop:

I just crack the window open

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seth|laptop:

you can see the heat coming out

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Zider:

xzcvczx: I have friends that use twice that much with out any complaints

[18:14:04]

|Torg|:

sometimes I do, I dont like the humidity

[18:14:06]

fryfrog:

stupid debian question: how do you install a .deb? :p

[18:14:15]

|Torg|:

apt-get?

[18:14:17]

|Torg|:

dpkg?

[18:14:19]

|Torg|:

aptitude?

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seth|laptop:

fryfrog dpkg -i <deb file

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fryfrog:

thanks :)

[18:14:47]

seth|laptop:

on a per .deb instance, better to use apt-get though to bring in dependencies

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|Torg|:

dpkg -i --force-all :P

[18:14:56]

seth|laptop:

ack, no

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seth|laptop:

hehe

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seth|laptop:

= hosed

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|Torg|:

you have to with some of ubus rather nice packagne mananagement

[18:15:20]

|Torg|:

try doing a sys upgrade si see it bitch about the rc scripts

[18:15:45]

|Torg|:

but I get in troubble for beating up on distros, so you go use what you want to :P

[18:16:07]

|Torg|:

seth have you trued lxrun with myth?

[18:16:18]

seth|laptop:

I use gentoo, knoppmyth(knoppix debian) and occaionally ubuntu

[18:16:39]

seth|laptop:

no, do you think it would work

[18:16:40]

|Torg|:

I use debian, debian, sometimes even experimental debian, and Solaris :P

[18:16:55]

seth|laptop:

oh I use solaris 9, 10 and 10 x86_64

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|Torg|:

X86_64 is called Slowaris :P

[18:17:23]

seth|laptop:

ut I do have solaris 8 on my sparcstation though, but I havent touched it in 766 days

[18:17:27]

seth|laptop:

:P

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|Torg|:

I have aruora running a 2.0 kernel on my sparcstation

[18:17:56]

|Torg|:

it has over a year of uptime

[18:18:01]

seth|laptop:

actually x86_64 sol10 06/06 running looking glass is quite perky

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|Torg|:

if it aint broke........

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|Torg|:

as for soalris I havnt run a montiro on any of my boxes in years, I think Ive forgotten what CDE even looks like :P

[18:19:00]

|Torg|:

oh and I doubt lxrun would work

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|Torg|:

its a big endian little endian thing

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seth|laptop:

sorry 747 days

[18:20:13]

seth|laptop:

SunOS 5.8

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seth|laptop:

login: sjerome

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seth|laptop:

Password:

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seth|laptop:

Last login: Wed Oct 4 15:54:20 from cpmgt1

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seth|laptop:

bash-2.03$ uptime

[18:20:14]

seth|laptop:

2:19pm up 747 day(s), 3:48, 1 user, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.01

[18:20:28]

|Torg|:

mine is a bit over 600

[18:20:51]

seth|laptop:

its just a router, it doesnt do much work

[18:21:09]

seth|laptop:

but for a sparcstation20 thats impressive, Sun stuff just works, hehe

[18:21:14]

|Torg|:

mine is a firewall, it hardly budges

[18:21:53]

|Torg|:

Ive been thinking of turning off my Soalris boxes tho, they make too much noise and heat

[18:22:31]

seth|laptop:

well this new house Im looking at, has a 3 bay garage, with a shop on the second story, perfect place for box farm

[18:22:50]

seth|laptop:

then tehy can run, and I wont even have to hear them

[18:22:59]

seth|laptop:

and it will heat the garage in the winter, hehe

[18:24:49]

seth|laptop:

put everything out there, and just use thin clients in the house. Except for the HD frontend

[18:25:29]

seth|laptop:

I have 3 sun ray's I won at an auction, they can be frontends, or at least I'll try

[18:25:53]

|Torg|:

I doubt it, but you can try :)

[18:25:55]

seth|laptop:

doubt they will do HD, but they should be able to do the SD stufss

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|Torg|:

I doubt they will do SD

[18:26:25]

|Torg|:

what are you going to run a a sunray server?

[18:26:37]

seth|laptop:

well you know, you worked for Sun. we used to stream videos from the archives in Burlington, to our sun rays at work. Sd should be ok

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|Torg|:

I went into the office so often I forgot where my locker was :P

[18:27:31]

seth|laptop:

I will use the ultra 2, I also can run them on a linux host, like the dual xeon I just picked up, have them XDMCP into the host

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|Torg|:

you know the sunray software was ported to linux, right?

[18:28:25]

seth|laptop:

as long as the host does the work, for the stream, the graphics on the rays are 24 bit, they should handle the output ok

[18:28:25]

Juski:

woo I've now got all the exhibitor passes :)

[18:28:40]

seth|laptop:

I had heard, I don't know where to get it at

[18:29:03]

|Torg|:

Juski wants to be an exobitionist :)

[18:29:09]

Juski:

sunray? used to work in a factory that built them. funny little thin client thingies aren't they?

[18:29:10]

seth|laptop:

hehe

[18:29:23]

** nadia007 says hi to dougl **

[18:29:23]

seth|laptop:

yes, but they can do alot, attached to the right backend

[18:29:40]

|Torg|:

yes Juski a diskless X terminal more or less

[18:29:42]

Juski:

|Torg|: heh. I don't see you promoting mythtv to the masses :-P

[18:30:06]

|Torg|:

I got a reall good story to sell it to the masses

[18:30:17]

|Torg|:

rember that $100 cable/sat bill you got for HDTV?

[18:30:18]

Juski:

do tell...

[18:30:26]

|Torg|:

you do know they charge you for what you can get for free?

[18:30:33]

|Torg|:

feal stupid yet? its called ATSC

[18:30:38]

Juski:

not the case in the UK

[18:30:41]

|Torg|:

I did say it was free right :P

[18:30:47]

|Torg|:

well in the US it is

[18:31:06]

Juski:

I don't think myth (or even linux) is ready for the masses yet

[18:31:18]

seth|laptop:

well knoppmyth is pretty solid

[18:31:21]

|Torg|:

I dont think PCs are ready for the masses yet :P

[18:31:23]

seth|laptop:

and easy to set up

[18:31:28]

seth|laptop:

most thing are automagi

[18:31:30]

seth|laptop:

cal

[18:31:33]

Juski:

that said I don't think Windows MCE is either... or VCRs

[18:31:39]

Zider:

some people aren't ready for the masses either

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kormoc:

|Torg|, not all of what's on hd cable is on ATSC

[18:32:04]

|Torg|:

and I agree with seth but you have to teach the lusers what an IP address is and the concept of a netowrked database (if they even know what a database is)

[18:32:12]

** scopeuk notes that the masses should still be in the stone age unfurtuately smart people are a caring bunch **

[18:32:15]

seth|laptop:

i would like to get scifi in hd

[18:32:20]

Juski:

it's not fair to call anybody a luser

[18:32:27]

|Torg|:

kormoc you are 100% correct, but everythign *I* want to watch is

[18:32:33]

Paladine:

you guys seen this?

[18:32:35]

Paladine:

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/polit . . . mp;cset=true

[18:32:46]

kormoc:

Juski, until it's been proven beyond a shadow of a doubt!

[18:32:55]

Zider:

politics?

[18:33:05]

Juski:

elitism is what's _still_ holding linux back IMHO

[18:33:06]

Zider:

"sign up"

[18:33:06]

|Torg|:

did I type luser, im sorry its a unix habbit :P

[18:33:08]

Zider:

bah

[18:33:09]

kormoc:

Paladine, too bad you need to register to see it...

[18:33:17]

Paladine:

I am not registered

[18:33:34]

kormoc:

"The story you requested is available only to registered members.

[18:33:34]

kormoc:

"

[18:33:39]

Paladine:

basicaly it is bout an order bush signed today to prevent hostile countries from developing the ability to go into space

[18:33:50]

** kormoc blinks **

[18:33:56]

Zider:

w00t

[18:34:00]

|Torg|:

hostile, you mean like Mexico?

[18:34:16]

Paladine:

well I presume any country he sees as a threat

[18:34:18]

Zider:

can someone PLEASE put a nuke up that idiots asshole?

[18:34:20]

Paladine:

it is a non specific order

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|Torg|:

Zilder we have a plan, its called term limitation :P

[18:34:50]

Zider:

"zilder"? :P

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Paladine:

"Consistent with this policy, the United States will: preserve its rights, capabilities, and freedom of action in space; dissuade or deter others from either impeding those rights or developing capabilities intended to do so; take those actions necessary to protect its space capabilities; respond to interference; and deny, if necessary, adversaries the use of space capabilities hostile to U.S. national interests."

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|Torg|:

I dont type too well, obviously :P

[18:35:12]

Paladine:

torg your plan might fail

[18:35:25]

Zider:

|Torg|: use tab to complete nicks :P

[18:35:34]

kormoc:

nah, bush can't get away with another term

[18:35:45]

kormoc:

people would be up in arms

[18:35:49]

Paladine:

there is an allowance in the constitution for the president to refuse an election and stay in office longer than the maximum term if it is deemed (in the case of war) that it would be too disruptive to the nation to hold an election

[18:36:12]

Paladine:

it amazes me how many americans don't know this

[18:36:24]

|Torg|:

*IF* we were at war, unlike what most poeple think to include our idiot president we are not

[18:36:38]

Paladine:

well officially you are

[18:36:44]

drdaz:

how many wars are you engaged in actually?

[18:36:47]

Paladine:

whether the rest of the world agrees is irrelevant

[18:36:51]

drdaz:

war on terror, war on drugs...

[18:36:55]

drdaz:

any others?

[18:36:58]

Paladine:

war on space now too ;)

[18:37:00]

Juski:

if anyone invades N. Korea, that'd pretty much seal it then

[18:37:02]

drdaz:

lmao

[18:37:14]

Juski:

war on common sense? ;-)

[18:37:25]

drdaz:

War on war would be an excellent one

[18:37:31]

drdaz:

watch the country implode

[18:37:37]

Paladine:

now instead of carpet bombing a country for not having WMDs they are gonna carpet bomb highschools in those countries where kids are making their own water rockets ;)

[18:37:44]

drdaz:

LOL

[18:37:52]

Zider:

war on anyone with a different opinion than america

[18:37:59]

Zider:

seems to be the constant case

[18:38:07]

drdaz:

yeah...

[18:38:14]

|Torg|:

what you refer to is the october 2002 war powers act authorising use of force in Iraq, that expired in 2003

[18:38:17]

Zider:

"the earth is flat" "I disagree" BOOM

[18:38:33]

|Torg|:

even WITH the WPA we did not decare war, only authorixed use of force

[18:38:40]

|Torg|:

so by law, the US is not at war with anyone

[18:38:43]

Juski:

.. and there was I thinking carpet bombing was a humanitarian effort. Turns out it's not actually doing air drops of floor coverings after all

[18:39:02]

|Torg|:

and the president cant decalre war, no mater how much he stemmers, and mistpronuces his words

[18:39:11]

drdaz:

I always thought that discourse was important for democracy you know... but when Bush said "Either you're with us or you're against us" it made it clear he didn't agree

[18:39:23]

Juski:

no matter how many times he mispronounces n u c l e a r

[18:39:38]

drdaz:

it's n00killer Juski

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drdaz:

ffs

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Zider:

the "new clear" drink

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Juski:

nook-u-lar

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xzcvczx:

lol

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|Torg|:

its new-kler

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drdaz:

wasn't it illegal to promote socialism in the US a while back?

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drdaz:

or something along those lines?

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Juski:

yeah.. fkin commies

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drdaz:

heh...

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drdaz:

Freedom of Speech...

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drdaz:

yeh

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Zider:

Full Of Shit

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Zider:

more likely

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|Torg|:

umm we have welfare, social secruity and farm subsidies, what do you think those are fashist?

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drdaz:

dude sorry didn't mean to attack your country

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drdaz:

but...

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Juski:

meanwhile.. back in #mythtv-users

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drdaz:

you'd be hard pressed to say there's much socialist influence in the way the country works

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** seth|laptop worked with nukes for 6 years in the air force, "Peace is Our Profession" **

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|Torg|:

sure just generally call them democats tho

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Juski:

damn. I have a press-pack thingy to prepare

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Juski:

marketing isn't really my thing

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Juski:

erm.. _wasn't_.. it is now, it seems

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scopeuk:

nukes are a weapon of peace due to the threat of global amogenden although none of us will be aroudn to regreat it when they are fires

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** seth|laptop knew that as his mythboxen bear no mythtv badges **

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drdaz:

heh

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Juski:

seth|laptop: shurrup. They'll be on sale in time for Christmas

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Juski:

Baghdad wasn't flattenned in a night

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Juski:

oh wait..

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|Torg|:

what do you want with a mythtv badge anyway

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scopeuk:

Juski lol

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Juski:

for PC cases

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drdaz:

to pull

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scopeuk:

justdave your gonan have to change your nick i keep tab completign to it tryign to get to jsuki ;-)

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justdave:

haha

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seth|laptop:

would calss up al of my mthboxen, for starters, that way wehn we have mythtv meeting in the LUG, I can say "look what I have, hahaha"

[18:46:46]

scopeuk:

clasic

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scopeuk:

seth|laptop tryignto deliberatly take the pis or was itaccidental?

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|Torg|:

my myth boxes are plain black and plain beige

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|Torg|:

its intentialy not flashy

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jsuki:

awwww. every case needs flashing lights & ricer stickers

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Paladine:

ok I was gonna think about bidding on this but my missus would kill me, so I am gonna pass the info on to you guys, this is an absolute steal if it works

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** scopeuk looks at his box and shrugs **

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jsuki:

and a VFD for added ricer kudos

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Zider:

I don't even have a complete case for my mythbox.. gonna make a plexi front :)

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Paladine:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem . . . :B:WNA:US:12

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seth|laptop:

translation please – seth|laptop tryignto deliberatly take the pis or was itaccidental?

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** seth|laptop head explodes **

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scopeuk:

nice

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|Torg|:

I was thinking of ricer neon, then thoguth for a microsecond and said hell no its anoying as hell :P

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scopeuk:

seth|laptop your next post was a huge typo like mine normally are

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scopeuk:

after i completly screwed one up

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seth|laptop:

hehe

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Juski:

neon only ever looks good outside curry houses & brothels

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Paladine:

|Torg|, I am thinking of getting some sheet aluminium and building my own chasis for my dual athlon mythbox :)

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xzcvczx:

Juski: how many brothels have you been to?

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** seth|laptop just imported Fast and Furious – Tokyo Drift **

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Juski:

only 10

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drdaz:

once each?

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drdaz:

or do u do 'rounds'?

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drdaz:

:D

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Juski:

haha

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|Torg|:

Paladine didnt you have access to a CNC?

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Paladine:

torg, I have a friend with a cnc but it is too far away to use really

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Juski:

actually I tell a lie. The only way I know about all of them round here is that taxi drivers point them out. Like I'd say £25 for a blowjob. Jesus

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Juski:

s/say/pay

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Paladine:

and I have about a 1000 piece dremel set :)

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** xzcvczx is still waiting on his xbox case to put his mythbox in **

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|Torg|:

Juski let me show you to the mexican border towns, I think you have been overpaying :P

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Paladine:

but I also found a book on anodizing aluminium at home

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Juski:

so it's going to be as fugly as an xbox but less noisy? And more useful?

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Paladine:

so my plan would be to anodize all the different parts

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** seth|laptop isn't an xbox more powerful than an sp13000, hehe – j/k xzcxczx **

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xzcvczx:

Juski: bang on

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Paladine:

the case would be anodized one colour

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Juski:

anodizing at _home_ ?

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Paladine:

the drive cages another

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** xzcvczx slaps seth|laptop around a bit with a large trout **

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Paladine:

the chasis frame another

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seth|laptop:

hehe

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Juski:

budget for a new kitchen sink / divorce while you're at it then

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Paladine:

juski, yeah it is remarkably easy to anodize aluminium

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xzcvczx:

feel the power of mirc

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** kormoc laughs **

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|Torg|:

umm all it takes is a car battery, suphriuc acid and some die

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Paladine:

you don't put sulphuric acid in a metal sink dude it dissolved steel

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kormoc:

Paladine doesn't see his wife anyway, so she likely wouldn't notice

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Paladine:

you use a plastic container (or glass)

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|Torg|:

altho I woudltn anodize actalyy IN my house, more like use the back patio

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kormoc:

or ceramic

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Paladine:

a fish tank wouldbe perfect for anodizing

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kormoc:

use a old toilet!

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** seth|laptop sits back and watches as the conversion drifts over his head **

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xzcvczx:

your neighbours car bonnet would be a good place to do anodizing

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Juski:

take the fishies out first of course

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|Torg|:

use a plasic bucket :P

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Juski:

good ole anionic reactions

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Paladine:

a fish tank, a car battery, 2L of 98% N2SO4, a tub of bicarb (1KG), 2 crocodile clips and a sheet of lead

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Paladine:

thats all you need to anodize :)

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xzcvczx:

|Torg|: or newspaper made into a bucket

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kormoc:

lead?

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|Torg|:

seth its how to use acid and extricty and try not to blow yourslef up in the process all to make alimunim change coloers (andn be non stick too :P)

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Paladine:

yeah

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kormoc:

I don't recall lead being required

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seth|laptop:

hehe

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seth|laptop:

ok

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Paladine:

you use the lead as the anode

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xzcvczx:

lol sulphuric acids what they use to get rid of bodies isnt it?

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Paladine:

the aluminium is the cathode

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** Juski looks on THG **

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|Torg|:

get some rid die too :)

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kormoc:

hrm, interesting

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Paladine:

any organic food or clothes die can be used to anodize

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Paladine:

dye

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|Torg|:

die die dye whatever :P

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Juski:

where our old premises are, is right next to an plating shop... they regularly had hydrofluoric acid delivered.. the trucks it came on didn't have any hazchem signs on either

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Juski:

and that, is nasty, nasty acid

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kormoc:

kill the dye! death rains down in lovely shades of blue and green!

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oliver:

hey, I was wondering if I could configure myhthtv to NOT record whatever i'm watching

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Paladine:

so with a couple of decent sheets of aluminium and a home made anodizing kit, you could make a really sweet case

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Juski:

oliver: nope

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|Torg|:

thats becase hydorfloric acid inst dangerous, well unless I have it :P

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kormoc:

oliver, nopers

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oliver:

so if my cpu is to slow, it's gonna slow down everything no matter what?

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Paladine:

hydroflouric acid is very dangerous

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oliver:

(i got one of those encoder less cards)

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kormoc:

oliver, aye

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Paladine:

it is one of the most reactive acids

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oliver:

what's up with that

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seth|laptop:

i get around it by not showing "livetv" in my recorded programs list

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Juski:

oliver: not if you ditch the PoS software encoder, no

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|Torg|:

oliver we condier that to be one of its features

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Paladine:

it is stronger the hydrochloric

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oliver:

yeah well it's a very light system

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kormoc:

oliver, to time shift live tv (pause and rewind) it needs to be recorded

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seth|laptop:

it still records it, but I don't have to see it, therefore it doesn't vex me that storage is being used.... heh

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xzcvczx:

i love being able to pause tv

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Juski:

oliver: imagine.. you're watching TV & forgot to turn the buffer on.. then you want to rewind it... oops. Now you're pissed off

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Paladine:

yeah I pause TV a lot since we have a 10 month old son

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oliver:

i don't want to timeshift, i just want to watch

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Juski:

live tv is SO 20th century anyway

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Juski:

oliver: so use tvtime then

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oliver:

i want to use myth for 'everything else' though

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Juski:

oh. wait. that doesn't have any EPG.. sucky

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|Torg|:

I havnt watched live tv in at least a month

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Paladine:

well when we put him down for his nap we check on him everytime we hear the slightest noise on the baby monitor lol

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oliver:

and not switch back/forth

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Paladine:

so pausing tv works great

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kormoc:

oliver, well, that's the pickle then.

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oliver:

k, sucky

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Juski:

oliver: you're stuck with having to record everything then.

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Paladine:

well SG1 and SGA new seasons are about to start

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Paladine:

so bbl

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Juski:

it's not sucky

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seth|laptop:

with all that we record, I very rarely ever watch live tv as well

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oliver:

or go back to freevo

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Juski:

haha

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Paladine:

juski, I will give you the links for home made anodizing later

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xzcvczx:

Paladine: you should just write a plug-in for mythtv as a baby monitor..... have like a coil pickup so any time it makes any noise at all and pauses for you

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Juski:

yeah I like freevo.. it's great if you only ever want ONE tuner

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Paladine:

the best part about anodizing isn't the colour

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oliver:

Juski: actually, yeah it's very sucky, bein one big annoyance all friggi'n day

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Paladine:

it actually hardens the aluminium

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Paladine:

makes it incredibly difficult to damage

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seth|laptop:

well SG1 and SGA new seasons are about to start << huh?

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Juski:

oliver: well if you'd got yourself a tuner that didn't suck, mythtv wouldn't suck

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oliver:

Juski: i don't record anything, cause tv sucks most of the time anyway, i'll download whatever I watch, so mythvideo is way more important in that sense anyhow

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** seth|laptop wonders how he missed that **

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kormoc:

oliver, well, you could write a patch to myth...

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Paladine:

seth, I am in the UK, it starts tonight here

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seth|laptop:

ah

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|Torg|:

Paladine what do you prep the alumin with? nitric acid?

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Paladine:

k bbl

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Paladine:

torg, bicarb

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Juski:

oliver: you could make the menus in mythtv run tvtime

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Paladine:

you use bicarb to degrease and clean the aluminium

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Paladine:

you canalso use bicarb for removing previous anodising

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Juski:

there's a bit in the wiki about editing the menu files to execute external apps

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Paladine:

bbiab

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|Torg|:

I didnt know bicard would degreese too

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oliver:

once i get money for a descent capture card, maybe i'll give myth a nother shot, hopefully by then, the insane 'use mysql' crap is gone away too

[19:00:27]

Juski:

descale, degrease...

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Paladine:

torg any strong alkaline will do it

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Paladine:

aluminium is very reactive

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kormoc:

oliver, very unlikely, very very unlikely

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Paladine:

no I am gone

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Juski:

oliver: now now now. steady on. you're entitled to your opinions for sure, but coming in here dissing mythtv will not win you any friends

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oliver:

i'm not dissing myth, it looks pretty cool, it's just .... too advanced :)

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|Torg|:

oliver go ket knoppmyth, its rather painless

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Juski:

oliver: like I said you can easily edit a menu xml file to put a button there for tvtime

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oliver:

|Torg|: i don't wanna whipe my hdd though, was concidering it though earlier

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|Torg|:

you can run knopmyth for a fe diskless

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Juski:

and while the comment about mysql is valid (ish) – doing the kind of stuff mythtv does with TV, without a database would be hard work

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oliver:

|Torg|: hah! that's what I thought, but it doesn't work well at all

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kormoc:

and not to mention rather slow

[19:02:54]

oliver:

|Torg|: they even say so, you should really install it to use it

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xzcvczx:

Juski: and incredibly much slower

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|Torg|:

olider it not only works well but does so exceedingly you must have non comaptable hardware

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xzcvczx:

lol woops not reading what other people have said :S

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Juski:

freevo won't let you edit recordings. you can't skip accurately. you can't flag commercials either

[19:03:47]

Juski:

all those things, mythtv needs a database for. otherwise YES it prolly could use flat files

[19:03:51]

oliver:

Juski: actually I don't get why, i used to work for philips, in the settop box devision, a week long epg/schedular didn't need a SQL db at all

[19:03:53]

|Torg|:

mythtv can skip commercials (sorta)

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|Torg|:

oliver becse you want to put the schulees, the scheduled recordings and the metadata somewhere

[19:04:45]

oliver:

|Torg|: dunno, amd cpu, via chipset, radeon video card, once installed it all works just fine, but a lot of the things just didn't wrk with the liveCD cause it wanted to write stuff away

[19:05:32]

oliver:

anyhow, I guess since I can't disable mythbackend and still watch live tv, i

[19:05:38]

oliver:

'll give tvtime approach a shot

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Juski:

oliver: it's very easy to make glib comments like you have, if you don't know what's going on under the hood of mythtv

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kormoc:

indeed

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oliver:

otherwise, i'll just uninstall it :/ there goes 8hrs of compile time

[19:06:16]

oliver:

Juski: must be a hella lot indeed

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xzcvczx:

8 hrs what you running on a 486/25mhz?

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kormoc:

it's a rather complicated system, likely many more times more complicated then the one you worked with.

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|Torg|:

glib comments are easy, try facetious ones, there harder :P

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Juski:

without the TV part, IMHO mythtv is too heavy to be a media player frontend

[19:06:47]

Juski:

oliver: have you heard of geexbox ?

[19:06:52]

oliver:

mythtv ant qt and mysql took forever

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oliver:

geekbox right?

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xzcvczx:

oh that explains it

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|Torg|:

mythtv takes about 10 mins to compile

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Juski:

oliver: not half as long as X did I bet

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oliver:

modular x org doesn't take that long actually

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xzcvczx:

|Torg|: not all of us have supercomputers

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|Torg|:

I dont have a super comptuer, just three and distcc :P

[19:07:41]

Juski:

oliver: no.. looky: http://geexbox.org/en/index.html

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drdaz:

lolz

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|Torg|:

id love if distcc would work with differint verison of gcc too, that way I could hook up my sparcs

[19:08:14]

xzcvczx:

|Torg|: and how many 'super computers' these days are a single computer?

[19:08:47]

Juski:

and besides all of that, I tested a software encoding tuner on my 800 Mhz athlon & it worked fine.. wasn't what I'd call sluggish, so maybe you got something wrong along the line

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oliver:

|Torg|: distcc does work with crosscompiling on gentoo, crossdev is the package they use

[19:08:58]

Juski:

it looked like shit, but it worked fine ;)

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|Torg|:

xzcvczx otyher then distcc I dont do distributed computing, they are all independednt OSes and do not NUMA

[19:09:11]

|Torg|:

hencve it is not a super comptuer

[19:09:22]

oliver:

Juski: it's a p3 1ghz actually, i dunno why , but every now and then it jumps weirdly

[19:09:53]

xzcvczx:

hmmmm so calming just watching the weather on the computer

[19:09:54]

Juski:

proper video drivers installed?

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kormoc:

oliver, when I was using a bttv card on my 2.4 ghz p4, it would use around 33% of the cpu to record, and 33% to playback.

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kormoc:

oliver, but that was with mpeg-4 recording, rtjpeg was much lighter

[19:10:25]

oliver:

geexbox ooks nice

[19:10:42]

Juski:

I've said this many times before – software encoding support doesn't do mythtv any favours & I'd cheer if it was ever removed

[19:10:45]

oliver:

it's a radeon 7000

[19:10:50]

oliver:

maybe that's too slow a card

[19:10:51]

|Torg|:

I play 1080I with AC3 on my P4 3ghz and it uses about 40% of one of the CPU cores

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xzcvczx:

kormoc: thats why i like hardware tv tuner/encoder.... compile+transcode+watch tv and still no problem what so ever

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Juski:

oliver: if you have decent drivers installed & regular (i.e. non mythtv) video playback is fine, maybe delve into your USE flags

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Juski:

use flags / processor opts etc...

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|Torg|:

I dump atsc to disk, mpeg2 raw about 7G per hour, and play it without transcoding

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xzcvczx:

:( only 49hrs of recording left

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xzcvczx:

does anyone know why it would take ages for the audio to start playing on tv when i change channels

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oliver:

well i know under freevo, playback of regular avi files take about 50% give or take

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xzcvczx:

it can take up to a minute or longer

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|Torg|:

and and hack the configuration to use XvMCNDIVIA over the stupid wrapper :P

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Juski:

oliver: encoding to mpeg4 or rtjpeg in real time is gonna eat 50% of your CPU, easy – unless you turn the quality / resolution settings down. fact of life

[19:15:55]

oliver:

well thanks a lot for all the info, i'll def. try geexbox

[19:16:36]

Juski:

but buy a pvr150 card, and you'd not be saying mythtv sucks.. oh no :)

[19:16:48]

xzcvczx:

i can vouch for that

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oliver:

hehe, it's been a long day messing about with myth

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Juski:

</soapbox>

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|Torg|:

why would I want a pvr150 :P

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kormoc:

150/500 :P

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xzcvczx:

|Torg|: because its best for cheao

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xzcvczx:

cheap

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|Torg|:

I dunno my Air2PC cards work fine :P

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drdaz:

could somebody tell me what columns should be in the recordingprofiles table using 0.20-fixes?

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oliver:

if i get one, i'll get a pvr500

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oliver:

though for the 9 chans we have here, 2 tuners might almost be overkill : /

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oliver:

ok thanks for all

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xzcvczx:

we only have 6 channels here and 2 of those are music channels]

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jams:

GreyFoxx- you around?

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|Torg|:

there are about 7 stations I cant get in ATSC (there all religous channels) I dont know why but I get them fine in SD

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|Torg|:

its not something I worry too much about its just a "why" thing

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granbart:

So I managed to configure the remote control

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granbart:

But it can't control anything when watching movies

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granbart:

Why?

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drdaz:

you haven't finished configuring it I expect

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Juski:

jees.. trying to sum up mythtv in one page of bullet points is tough going

[19:29:01]

|Torg|:

* Timeshifts Live TV

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|Torg|:

* Multiple inptu stremas, DVB suported

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|Torg|:

* Free

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drdaz:

* Gives you something to do all the time

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|Torg|:

* Free

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|Torg|:

* Free

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|Torg|:

* Keeps wife off my ass (well most of the time)

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|Torg|:

* Free

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|Torg|:

* can play mpegs, and video files

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|Torg|:

* can rip.... err backup, dvds and vcds

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Juski:

|Torg|: duh

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drdaz:

* Increases sex appeal

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Juski:

:)

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|Torg|:

* Can play mame and nes games (theoreticlY)

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|Torg|:

you want more :)

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granbart:

* Porn

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seth|laptop:

* can be easily ditributed amongst multipple computers. (Imageine not having to by a tv for all the kids that have computers)

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granbart:

So how do I configure it to control video playback?

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Juski:

www.juski.co.uk/press.png is what I have so far

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granbart:

it seems like the controls are in mplayer when watching video

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Juski:

granbart: you need to configure a .lircrc which will live in ~ and have mplayer lirc commands in it

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Juski:

commands/keymappings

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|Torg|:

Juski what is that last sentence for digging at other HTPC systems?

[19:36:06]

Juski:

just stating the facts ;)

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|Torg|:

you noted archive shoes to dvd but not rip dvd to disk, intentional :)

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seth|laptop:

I like it

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Juski:

but I'm not gonna say "unlike some other systems, Mythtv will frustrate the living hell out of you, endanger your marriage, your sanity..."

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seth|laptop:

that would raise some legal ramifications, would it not, the whole dvd to archive prt

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granbart:

Juski: And player lirc commands are statet in this fashion:

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granbart:

prog = mplayer

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granbart:

?

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Juski:

granbart: yup

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Juski:

plenty of example .lircrc files out there in internet land.. at the end of one of them tubes I believe

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|Torg|:

and technicaly you dont watch or stream anything over HTTP (aka "the web") so I sould call it "over The Internet" or even "network streaming video and audio"

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granbart:

The internet is not like a big truck

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Juski:

seth|laptop: there are standalone DVD recorders are there not?

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granbart:

It's like many tubes

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Juski:

granbart: that's what I said.. at the end of one of those tubes is a .lircrc file somewhere

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|Torg|:

its more like an antpile

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seth|laptop:

no not that part, the part |Torg| was referringto, about ripping

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Juski:

though whether you have to suck or blow I dunno yet

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seth|laptop:

that would probably not be a good idea to put on there

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fryfrog:

the internet, it is like a series of pipes!

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fryfrog:

PIPES

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fryfrog:

not a dump truck

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Juski:

| | | | | |

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granbart:

hehe

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granbart:

That's so great on Jon stewarts

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fryfrog:

I <3 Jon Stewart :)

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granbart:

And he most likely <3 you

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seth|laptop:

fryfrog, getting an 880. Wife asked me what I wanted for the upcoming holidays, I showed her, and that was all she needed

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fryfrog:

Course, I'd also have to <3 Stephen Colbert!

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fryfrog:

seth|laptop: rar :)

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fryfrog:

seth|laptop: hope you get to open it early ;)

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seth|laptop:

Well that and Priates of the Carribean 2

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seth|laptop:

she was intrigued by the idea that it will be able to control the volume of the a/v receiver. Actually what she said was just pick something else and go buy that

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** seth|laptop hates to spend money though **

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Juski:

right so now I'm saying "Stream recordings across a LAN / WAN" and "¨Schedule recordings from a web interface"

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seth|laptop:

at least in $160 intervals

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|Torg|:

Juski did you change or edit the part about archiving?

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fryfrog:

that remote only cost me $75?

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Juski:

seth|laptop: my £25 remote can control my mythbox, the TV and HT amp

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seth|laptop:

this is the 880, not the 688

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seth|laptop:

the one with the color screen, and the charging base

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Juski:

|Torg|: putting your own recordings on DVD is fine. Phillips, Panasonic et al sell boxen to let you do that

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Juski:

now edited to say "¨Archive recordings to DVD"

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|Torg|:

oh I know that, you know that, but the perception would be myth is for pirating

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Juski:

I'd say that recording anything in a digital format could be construed as that too

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fryfrog:

OHHHH

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fryfrog:

dizam

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Juski:

look at all those dodgy cheap DVD recorders.. I mean they don't burn copy protected discs do they?

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Juski:

so you could record a show, then duplicate it.. much easier than with mythtv :)

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seth|laptop:

seth|laptop: my ?25 remote can control my mythbox, the TV and HT amp – unfortunatley my baby girl destroyed that one, spilled juice down in t quite by accident, and I was lookig to replace it

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Juski:

anyway the core audience at the expo will be geeks & journalists

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Juski:

lol

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|Torg|:

its the latter I am worried about

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Juski:

well, mythtv.org made a big splash about mytharchive.. it's no secret

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|Torg|:

tella jouralist it takes 30 gallons and they will write "it takes a bathtub full" get a few more and voila you car runs on bathtubs or need a bathtub to run :)

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seth|laptop:

now we have to use 2 remotes, and that bothers the wife. Its strange how the HD show plays at one volume, and the commercials, when not skipped are like twice as loud

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Juski:

and last time I looked it was okay to shove your own TV recordings onto recordable media for your own use

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Juski:

so I'm sticking by it

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|Torg|:

ok

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Juski:

someone's comments about 'selling' mythtv by saying "why pay for what you can get for free" is loads more ambiguous

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seth|laptop:

are you going to have a live box at the show?

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|Torg|:

then why not change firewire to IEEE1394 and thow in a IEC958 too :)

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kenguru:

janneg, i have problems still in channel search after applying your patch to 0.20

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kenguru:

.patch2 exactly

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|Torg|:

and while you at it throw QAM into the V4L, DVB list

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Juski:

seth|laptop: two actually

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seth|laptop:

sweet

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janneg:

kenguru: which ticket? the DVB-C one?

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seth|laptop:

all the good expos always happen in other countries :-)

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kenguru:

janneg, yeah, dvb-c

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kenguru:

janneg, network id doesn't match tsid etc.

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Juski:

¨Supports digital surround sound & HDTV (where broadcast)"

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Juski:

seth|laptop: SF gets LW expo too

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janneg:

kenguru: have you set modulation?

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|Torg|:

actauly drop the where bordcast, if they cant figure that out, well they dont need to be playing with muthtv :)

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kenguru:

janneg, modulation in where? mythtv setup is running on non-english language right now.

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Juski:

I think that about covers everything for that page then

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janneg:

kenguru: channel scanner -> "full scan tuned" -> the first field in the right column

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janneg:

try QAM64, QAM256, QAM128

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kenguru:

janneg, yeah, qam_128 and scan command will found channels if i run it on console.

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kenguru:

all the channels, mythtv-setup doesn't found only 3 when it run last night before applying the patch 4 hours and found 3 channels without channel names etc.

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kenguru:

oh, i repeated myself :/

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|Torg|:

MythTV is a scalable client/server architecture built on open standards. Unencumbered but proprietary formats and DRM MythTV gives you the flexibility you want at a price you can afford, FREE! There is no licensing limits to the number of platforms that can record or play back media. MythTV supports multiple tuners and is only limited by the hardware you use.

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|Torg|:

s/There is/There are/

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fryfrog:

kenguru: You are not likely to find many unencrypted channels over QAM from your cable company

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fryfrog:

I only get the 5–6 FTA HD channels and a few misc. SD channels (so crappy that i don't include them)

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kenguru:

janneg, importing channels.conf seems to be a only good choise.

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janneg:

kenguru: ah, after the full scan, you have to "scan all known transports", the full scan adds only channels of the given transport despite it's name

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kenguru:

fryfrog, i found 12 channels without encryption

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janneg:

kenguru: scan all known transporrts should solve it

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xzcvczx:

why is cpp compiling soooooooooooo slllloooooooowwwwwww

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kenguru:

janneg, what tool i should use to make channels.conf file at correct format?

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|Torg|:

slow is a matter of opionion ever try to compule yggrasil with a 386?

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janneg:

and importing channels.conf has it own issues

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xzcvczx:

|Torg|: lol

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fryfrog:

kenguru: 12 HD channels?

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fryfrog:

kenguru: I found 6 HD channels along with their 6 non-hd counterparts, that'd make 12

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janneg:

kenguru: dvbscan, but please try first "scan all known transports"

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fryfrog:

I also found about 5 or 6 shopping channels, a few jesus stations

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fryfrog:

and the latin channel :)

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kenguru:

fryfrog, nope, just regular ones.

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fryfrog:

kenguru: ah, suck :(

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fryfrog:

kenguru: actually, myth *found* about 300 channels.

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fryfrog:

I had to go through them 1 at a time to find the 6 I wanted

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fryfrog:

lameness :)

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seth|laptop:

wow 300 channels

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janneg:

fryfrog: what is HD? europe is slow in HDTV adaption

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kenguru:

fryfrog, well in finland we have only 5 full country coverage channels ;)

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Juski:

and even then, kenguru I've seen that you import a lot of UK tv.. hahaha

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Juski:

once found a finnish mythtv box online & its mythweb page was showing 'coronation street' and 'eastenders'. I felt sorry for you in finland ;-)

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kenguru:

juski, well i think my mythbox function would be to record all those sms-message gameshows ;) those are so important and night chat programs also ;D naah, just kidding.

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Juski:

haha

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Juski:

whaddya mean? I love those shows

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Juski:

one camera, no budget, awful presenters with grating voices & too much makeup.. love it

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kenguru:

Juski, i just think when more channels comes, programs must be cheaper and there will be more that "fill" material.

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kenguru:

if those channels are free and advertising

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Juski:

ugh

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Juski:

I think when that happens I'll opt out

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Juski:

I already have over 200 channels

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kenguru:

janneg, "SDT: Error determing what transport this service table is assosiciated with so failing"

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Juski:

hmm this page needs to be more eye-catching

[20:21:20]

janneg:

kenguru: probably non conforming streams. do you have a channels.conf?

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kenguru:

janneg, i have one what is in wrong format i think.

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janneg:

can you paste it to pastebin.ca?

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kenguru:

okay.

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kenguru:

janneg, http://pastebin.ca/208767

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janneg:

no, it looks correct. please create .czap in your home directory and copy the channels.conf file into it

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janneg:

kenguru: then you need dvbsnoop. please run czap MTV3 and while that is running run dvbsnoop -n 1 0x10 and dvbsnoop -n 1 0x11 and paste the output of dvbsnoop to pastebin

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kenguru:

okay.

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seth|laptop:

which key do you press, to jump to s show in the program guide?

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xzcvczx:

seth|laptop: ???

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seth|laptop:

viewing program guide, you see a show you want to go to, which key do you press to make the tuner go there, and close the EPG

[20:35:04]

xzcvczx:

is there still an embeded avi player in myth or did they ditch that in favour of mplayer?

[20:35:04]

seth|laptop:

hitting ok or enter, brings up the recording context menu

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xzcvczx:

oh yeah i would like to know that key as well

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seth|laptop:

myth uses its own player now

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seth|laptop:

I think it might be X, but I can't find it in the keybindings

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xzcvczx:

define now? in svn?

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kenguru:

janneg, now it is copied. so i run mythtv-setup and give a path where channels.conf is?

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kenguru:

janneg, yeah, it worked, thanks :)

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janneg:

kenguru: that was not that I intended. you will get no epg for the channels

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kenguru:

janneg, and i get it only when i run full scan?

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janneg:

you have to use the channel scanner or add the missing data manually to the database

[20:43:38]

janneg:

you can try to run "scan all known transports" now

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seth|laptop:

It's the "M" key, according the docs

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kenguru:

okay.

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seth|laptop:

xzcvczx: the "M" key changes to the cahnnel from the guide, the "X" key switched to that channel while in the guide

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xzcvczx:

seth|laptop: it is?

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seth|laptop:

according to the docs

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seth|laptop:

not being at my box though, it is only as of yet a documented theory, hehe

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kenguru:

janneg, is there a way to use instead source as a web page for epg?

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mchou:

help lusers

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Juski:

here ya go.. http://www.juski.co.uk/MythTV.pdf

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xzcvczx:

sweet it works

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mchou:

whowas SliceDicer

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janneg:

kenguru: is there a xmltv grabber for finland? then you have to populate the xmltvids of the channels

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gardengnome:

re

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Juski:

ltns gardengnome

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gardengnome:

Juski: huh?

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gardengnome:

oh. long time no see. :)

[21:17:23]

gardengnome:

yeah, took a break ;)

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gardengnome:

Juski: busy with the booth?

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Juski:

yeah.. just putting the finishing touches on the printed material. then all I have to do is buy some CDs & burn em

[21:18:29]

Juski:

and copy some videos to a USB HDD

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Juski:

here ya go.. http://www.juski.co.uk/MythTV.pdf :)

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gardengnome:

Juski: cool stuff :)

[21:19:28]

Juski:

I now (un)officially work in the marketing dept.

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gardengnome:

yep, i saw youflyer :)

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gardengnome:

your*

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Juski:

can't wait to see the svg mythtvtalk logo I made, printed nice & big

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Zer0Her0:

hey quick question, what sort of specs(and is it possible) to set up mythtv to just "pause" live tv?

[21:22:05]

GreyFoxx:

Zer0Her0: What do you mean?

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xzcvczx:

a rather big harddrive if you just planning on pausing it

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gardengnome:

Juski: wow, that logo looks nice

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Zer0Her0:

hey GreyFoxx, like I don't want to record shows, just want to be able to pause tv or rewind a couple minutes of a show if the phone rings or such

[21:22:52]

Juski:

gardengnome: 30 minutes in inkscape

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gardengnome:

Juski: show-off. ;)

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GreyFoxx:

Zer0Her0: Myth doesn't do it thatway

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Juski:

Zer0Her0: if you don't _record_ tv, htf do you expect to be able to pause it?

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gardengnome:

Juski: i'm installing the latest zenslack & mythtv plugin right now

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GreyFoxx:

Yes, you can pause livetv, and rewind,but it records it the whole time you are watching.

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Zer0Her0:

Juski: meaning i don't want to SCHEDULE recordings

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Zer0Her0:

i understand it's gonna record a buffer.

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GreyFoxx:

Zer0Her0: That's fine

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gardengnome:

i see. juski is already practising yelling for his big day :)

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GreyFoxx:

Zer0Her0: Myth treats livetv just like a recording, except that youhappen to be watching it while recording

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Zer0Her0:

what happens if i switch channels?

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GreyFoxx:

new recording

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xzcvczx:

Juski: how many megs is that?

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GreyFoxx:

invisible to you, but on the fs it would be a different file

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granbart:

Juski: You forgot the * porn point

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Zer0Her0:

how long does it keep the old one for?

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GreyFoxx:

by default 24 hours, unless it requires space for a recording at which point it would expire livetv rightaway

[21:27:03]

Zer0Her0:

thank you

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Juski:

granbart: oh yeah :-|

[21:28:37]

granbart:

People use internet mostly for porn

[21:28:42]

granbart:

And TVs are good for porn as well

[21:28:45]

granbart:

Porn+++

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** gardengnome likes his "the internet is for porn" shirt ;) **

[21:29:22]

Zer0Her0:

i use real life for porn

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xzcvczx:

if you got a tv and put it beside mythtv would the shows be exactly in sync or would myth be delayed by a bit?

[21:29:34]

gardengnome:

i use porn for real life.

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gardengnome:

xzcvczx: wmyth would be delayed a bit.

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gardengnome:

s/wm/m/

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Juski:

hmmm to t-shirt or not to t-shirt

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Juski:

oo btw gardengnome ordered the new case badges :)

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xzcvczx:

how many megs is this image still loading here Juski

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GreyFoxx:

xzcvczx: myth would be asecond or threee behind realtime

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Juski:

xzcvczx: the pdf is about 1.3M

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xzcvczx:

:O

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xzcvczx:

GreyFoxx: damn no stereo video

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Juski:

xzcvczx: but it'll print & still look good

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xzcvczx:

i havent seen it yet so i cant judge :S

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Juski:

I don't care :-P

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xzcvczx:

lol

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Juski:

stop using dialup, or wireless

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xzcvczx:

yeah wireless and past my 2gb cap for the month

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Juski:

right that's everything saved to a USB key to take to work.. I mean the er. printers

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granbart:

Zer0Her0: How can you use real life for porn?

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granbart:

Do people act up pornographic scenes in front of you in the living room?

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kenguru:

janneg, still awake?

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Juski:

granbart: ke takes upskirt pics with a hidden camera

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granbart:

Ah

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granbart:

That explains it

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Zer0Her0:

granbart: i'm a porn director...

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kenguru:

Juski, everything works now.

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GreyFoxx:

Juski: I like that image at the bottom

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Juski:

kenguru: cool

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Juski:

GreyFoxx: thanks :)

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kenguru:

Juski, mythtv and xbmc mythtv script with livetv also

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kenguru:

but, epg won't work (except)

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Juski:

now all I need is for Isaac to mention the xpo on the main page...

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GreyFoxx:

wonder how that would look on a t-shirt

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kenguru:

janneg said something about searching known channels again or modifying database somehow?

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Juski:

GreyFoxx: got a nice _big_ version of that logo.. see the wiki 'logo contest' page. I was only showing my wares, not entering it ;)

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** Juski hopes those case badges arrive before Tuesday **

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Juski:

well, before I leave the house on Tuesday anyway

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czth:

does the MS MCE remote work with mythtv? seems i've read it's OK but the IR blaster doesn't work?

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czth:

if not, what do people use?

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tRSS:

I have been able to compile mythtv successfully, but upon running, I am getting this: ./mythfrontend: error while loading shared libraries: libmythtv-0.20.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory

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czth:

hrm. does the lib exist? where? what's in ld.so.conf?

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czth:

does ldconfig -v show it?

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tRSS:

czth: ldconfig : command not found

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czth:

/sbin/ldconfig?

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tRSS:

getting this for ldconfig -p | grep libmythtv: libmythtv-0.18.1.so.0 (libc6) => /usr/lib/libmythtv-0.18.1.so.0

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Juski:

right. now it's time for bed. best not forget my USB key in the morning

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Juski:

g'night all

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czth:

what does ls /usr/lib/libmythtv* show? any 0.20s?

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xzcvczx:

tRSS: try locate libmythtv

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GreyFoxx:

tRSS: You said you compiled it....did you do a "make install" as root as well ?

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xzcvczx:

it may have put it in /usr/loval/lib?

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xzcvczx:

local*

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tRSS:

czth: wait a second!!! i just comiled,make,make install for 0.20, instead of 0.18

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tRSS:

it did compile it as root

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GreyFoxx:

if he compiled it it would be in /usr/local

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czth:

true. may need to add /usr/local/lib to ld.so.conf.

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GreyFoxx:

tRSS: Did you previously have a packaged version of myth installed as well ?

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czth:

(in /etc)

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czth:

then re-run ldconfig

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tRSS:

GreyFoxx: I did, but I removed it.

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tRSS:

I have /usr/local/lib in lib.so.conf

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GreyFoxx:

tRSS: you are 100% positive you ran make install as root ?

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czth:

is the 0.20 lib in /usr/local/lib?

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tRSS:

yes sir! I am working as root, which i rarely do

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GreyFoxx:

ls -al /usr/local/lib/libmythtv*

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tRSS:

GreyFoxx: nothing in /usr/local/lib as libmythtv

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GreyFoxx:

did you specify a different --prefix when you ran configure ?

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czth:

if you have the source tree around still, do make install again, but this time capture the output

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czth:

e.g. make install > make.out 2>&1

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GreyFoxx:

cause by default it will install with a prefix of /usr/local

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tRSS:

--prefix=/usr/local/mythtv-0.29

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GreyFoxx:

oh

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czth:

ah ha

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czth:

.29?

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tRSS:

*sorry, i meant --prefix=/usr/local/mythtv-0.20

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GreyFoxx:

If you need you need to add a ld.so.conf entry for the /usr/local/mythtv-0.20/lib directory

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GreyFoxx:

and you will want /usr/local/mythtv-0.20/bin in your path

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czth:

that's what ya get for not using Gentoo :P

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GreyFoxx:

Hardly

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xzcvczx:

that is wikkid Juski

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GreyFoxx:

this is just cause he used a --prefix other than normaland easily handled :)

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tRSS:

GreyFoxx: you lost me there. so how do i fix my problem? :(

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GreyFoxx:

tRSS: Add "/usr/local/mythtv-0.20/lib" to /etc/ld.so.conf and rerun ldconfig

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GreyFoxx:

plus you will want /usr/local/mythtv-0.20/bin in your PATH variable

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GreyFoxx:

Or do a make clean, rerun configure without the prefix and recompile/install :)

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GreyFoxx:

the PATH variable part is just for convenience really

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tRSS:

GreyFoxx: i added the /usr/local/mythtv-0.20/lib in /etc/ld.so.conf and did ldconfig, but still it is showing this: libmythtv-0.18.1.so.0 (libc6) => /usr/lib/libmythtv-0.18.1.so.0

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czth:

does it have 0.20 as wlel or just 0.18?

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GreyFoxx:

and what does "ls -la /usr/lib/libmythtv-0.18.1.so.0" return ?

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tRSS:

never mind, got it to work.... thanks for your help. I think I would go for fedora for my final setup. ubuntu is just noteasy to setup for mythtv.

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gardengnome:

your opinion :)

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GreyFoxx:

tRSS:Well,to be honest this particular problem was because you used a -prefix which wasn't located in the normal pathes things like ld.so.conf and such look :)

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tRSS:

GreyFoxx: but I followed every step of the official ubuntu guide, which said I had to use the --prefix. secondly, I upgraded to the latest version because of the protocol version error

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tRSS:

which I am still getting. even after upgrading to 0.20

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GreyFoxx:

tRSS: Then you should bitch at the maker of that guide

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tRSS:

lol

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gardengnome:

there's an official ubuntu guide?

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tRSS:

before the client protocol version was 15 and now it is 30, but the server is using 31!

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mirak:

does mythtv handle a minimum OSD for use with video out of Nexus or techno trend DVB cards ?

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mirak:

minimal osd

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GreyFoxx:

tRSS: Sounds like you are using 2 different versions of myth

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gardengnome:

mirak: no.

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GreyFoxx:

0.20 has a different protocol version than latewst 0.20-fixes

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tRSS:

gardengnome: i am using this guide: http://hyams.webhop.net/mythtv/myth_ubuntu.html

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mirak:

gardengnome: ah. anyway I guess it can't play divx or HD anyway, so that' useless

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tRSS:

GreyFoxx: I am running the backend on FC5 (installed using yum) and the frontend on Ubuntu (compiled and installed by myself)

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stuarta:

evening fellow drunk bums.....

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GreyFoxx:

tRSS: then your server is running a -fixes version and the client isn't

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GreyFoxx:

2 different versions

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tRSS:

GreyFoxx: how to fix the client now?

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tRSS:

btw, server is using this: Library API version: 0.20.20060828–3

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jams:

GreyFoxx- do you know if it's possible to get a return code from the settings screen. I am attempting to figure out if finish or cancel button was pushed.

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GreyFoxx:

hmmmmm I don't know

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GreyFoxx:

getting areturn code from a popup with buttons is easy enough

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GreyFoxx:

but I've never looked for that in particular

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tRSS:

GreyFoxx: lol. you have been very helpful so far, so thank you

[22:03:08]

GreyFoxx:

tRSS: The client needs to run 0.20-fixes as well

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jams:

yeah popup button is easy, but it looks funny

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GreyFoxx:

iuf you are compiling it you can go to svn.mythtv.org for instructions on how to download from svn

[22:03:30]

jams:

what I thought would work didn't =)

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tRSS:

GreyFoxx: I downloaded the source from the mythtv.org website.

[22:05:18]

GreyFoxx:

that';s the release source

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GreyFoxx:

not from the -fixes branch which your server appears to be running

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tRSS:

GreyFoxx: that also means, that I have spend another night of compiling and installing of mythtv. more fun. hehe

[22:06:38]

zoibee:

why does mythmusic "hang" when i set audio output to alsa:digital when mplayer has no problem with that?

[22:07:21]

zoibee:

i`ve tried _everything_ i can think of...

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granbart:

Zer0Her0: Do you like cats?

[22:11:39]

Zer0Her0:

why

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granbart:

I'm like watching your homepage here, I think

[22:12:27]

granbart:

And there are chicks and cats there

[22:12:30]

Zer0Her0:

haha

[22:12:33]

Zer0Her0:

those are gf's

[22:12:44]

Zer0Her0:

how'd you find my homepage?

[22:12:54]

granbart:

Not many people call themselves for zer0her0

[22:13:05]

Zer0Her0:

i figured that's what you were refering to.

[22:13:07]

Zer0Her0:

hehe yea true

[22:13:11]

granbart:

:)

[22:13:20]

Zer0Her0:

they've grown on me

[22:13:25]

granbart:

And there are hot chicks there, everyone!

[22:13:30]

Zer0Her0:

haha

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Zider:

cute girls.. and cats.. :)

[22:15:14]

Zer0Her0:

thanks

[22:15:43]

Zider:

I assume you're not one of the girls.. ;)

[22:15:52]

granbart:

I hoped you were

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Zer0Her0:

nope

[22:16:10]

Zer0Her0:

i'm a guy, that's gf and best friend.

[22:16:17]

Zider:

my web page is pretty easily found too if you know where I'm from ;)

[22:16:23]

Zer0Her0:

neither are home currently.

[22:16:39]

Zer0Her0:

a riddle

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doggkruse:

is there a way to tell which recordings have been recorded with each profile?

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doggkruse:

ie high / low quality?

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Zider:

Zer0Her0: yes, kind of.. ;)

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Zider:

Zer0Her0: can you solve it?

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Zer0Her0:

probably not, currently on relaxants for a thrown out back...so mind not at it's peak

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tRSS:

why can't I find zer0her0's homepage?! ;)

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Zer0Her0:

.info

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Zider:

well, let me put it this way.. I'm from .se.. and is called zider.. and have a www page.. put that together.. ;)

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Zer0Her0:

ah

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Zider:

even my cat can solve that ;D

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Zer0Her0:

i thought the domain was going to be your country or something

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Zider:

that would make it harder to guess :P

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Zer0Her0:

yea

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robbins876:

i'm getting an error when i run mythfilldatabase

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jams:

GreyFoxx- the answer is yes

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robbins876:

says my connection timed out and i should probably modify the master server settings in the setup program

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jams:

found it buried in some other code

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robbins876:

to set the proper IP address

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robbins876:

instead of the typical 127.0....... thing, should i put my actual address on the network? this machine is the backend

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tRSS:

robbins876: this could also mean that your mysql server is not allowing your mythtv user to connect to it. try to change the ip first, but I am guessing that won't work for you

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robbins876:

alright... i just switched ISPs today, would that have something to do with it?

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robbins876:

how do i change the mysql thing?

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tRSS:

robbins876: my guess would be no but I could be wrong. hold on, let me find the right url for you but do you have webmin installed. makes life alot easier

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robbins876:

nope, i don't

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xzcvczx:

omg M*A*S*H is on tv :o

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tRSS:

robbins876: is your backend on a different machine then your frontend?

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robbins876:

nope, same machine

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robbins876:

it was working this morning

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robbins876:

i didn't change anything

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robbins876:

except for my /etc/resolv.conf to get internet connection after the cable guy came

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tRSS:

robbins876: from a shell, try this: mysql -u mythtv -p

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robbins876:

ERROR 1045 (28000): Access denied for user 'mythtv'@'localhost' (using password: YES)

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mirak:

is the composite input of a TechnoTrend premium 2300 equivalent to the input of a PVR 150 in term of quality ?

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tRSS:

robbins876: this is your problem. lets see how to fix this problem

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robbins876:

i don't even have a mythtv user

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robbins876:

i just have robbins876 as a user on this computer

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tRSS:

you can't run mythfilldatabase without having a user (e.g. mythtv) for mysql

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robbins876:

alright

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robbins876:

so where do we start?

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GreyFoxx:

robbins876: A mysqk user is not the same as a system user :)

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robbins876:

oh, i see

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GreyFoxx:

robbins876: Cut n paste tyhe mythfilldb output to pastebin.ca

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robbins876:

http://pastebin.ca/208955

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GreyFoxx:

Is mythbackend running right now ?

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robbins876:

i believe so

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GreyFoxx:

all that message is is mythfilldb informing mythbackend that thereis new programming data andit should recheck it's recording schedules

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GreyFoxx:

netstat -antu | grep ":6543"

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GreyFoxx:

What doesthat return ?

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robbins876:

nothing

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GreyFoxx:

mythbackend isn't running

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robbins876:

how do i start it?

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robbins876:

i tried mythbackend &&

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GreyFoxx:

how do you normally start it ?

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robbins876:

but it didn't do anything

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GreyFoxx:

NOTHING ?

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GreyFoxx:

no output whatsoever ?

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robbins876:

>

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robbins876:

that's all it gives me

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GreyFoxx:

how do you normally start it ?

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robbins876:

it usually boots with my computer

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GreyFoxx:

find and run that init script

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robbins876:

couldn't i just restart the service in the services window thing?

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GreyFoxx:

or just run mythbackend -d

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GreyFoxx:

robthebob: I have no idea what that is,but ifit lets you restart stuff that starts at boot,sure

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jams:

those two && would cause a problem, needs to be one or none

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robbins876:

oh really?

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GreyFoxx:

I thought that was a typo hehe

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robbins876:

alright, mythbackend -d worked

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robbins876:

i think

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robbins876:

nope, still nothing

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GreyFoxx:

is it running ?

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GreyFoxx:

Do you see it in the output of "ps -ef"

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robbins876:

http://pastebin.ca/208958

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robbins876:

looksl ike it's in there

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GreyFoxx:

Actuallyit looks like it's running multiple times

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GreyFoxx:

which is obviously odd

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robbins876:

i think it's an IP problem somewhere

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robbins876:

like i said, i switched ISP's today... and that's when it quit working

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robbins876:

i don't know why that would affect it, but it's the only thing that's changed

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robbins876:

i just changed the ip in mythsetup to 192.168.0.110, my static IP on this network

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robbins876:

and it's no longer saying it can't connect to the backend, but i'm getting just a blank screen now

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gardengnome:

robbins876: did you change both ip addresses listed there?

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robbins876:

yep

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gardengnome:

good :)

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robbins876:

man, fedora core 6 needs to hurry up and come out so i can reinstall

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robbins876:

hopefully tomorrow

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robbins876:

myth just keeps freezing up on me now

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robbins876:

it has all my movies and recorded programs showing, though... so i'm pretty sure it's connected to the backend

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robbins876:

but when i go to live tv, it's a blank screen then freezes

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robbins876:

anyone?

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zoibee:

robbins876: see log, or ivtv settings. Could be wrong resolution.

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zoibee:

the easyest way could be to run mythtv-setup and delete the card and add it again :P

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squish:

i have a dumb question, i have 0.19 running with a pvr150, now i have added an ati hdtv dvb card, i have found it and run scan and have a channels.conf, then i run azap, but i have no idea y i have to run it or do with the results

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netw1z:

how do u add a second joystick to mame?

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netw1z:

in mamerc?

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netw1z:

anyone have xmame snaps? all of em?

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netw1z:

it seems you have to pay to get em now

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kormoc:

netw1z, please don't request files like that in here. We don't support warez or the like

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nandy_:

kormoc: how can i check if my myth was compiled with xvmc support?

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