Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Tuesday, October 17th, 2006, 00:00 UTC

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kormoc:

the 350 will be much slower too

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fryfrog:

i feel sorry for anyone who gets a 350 :)

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xris:

they were really cool for about 2 months. heh

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sanmarcos:

?

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kormoc:

150 + nvidia card is cheaper then a 350, looks better, and is easier to use

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xris:

sanmarcos: they're not worth the extra $100 or whatever they cost now.

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sanmarcos:

the nvidia tv out looks bad, at leasto n my tv

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sanmarcos:

maybe its a crap tv

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sanmarcos:

but its the only one I have

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kormoc:

it'll likely look the same on the 350

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xris:

sanmarcos: looks bad how? did you tweak the driver settings for tv?

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sanmarcos:

just blurry

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sanmarcos:

the 350 looked great (the tv output)

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sanmarcos:

when I tried it

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sanmarcos:

but that weas without the x driver

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sanmarcos:

just passthrough

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sanmarcos:

ill probably tweak the driver settings

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xris:

yeah, nvidia card shouldn't be blurry like that if tweaked properly

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GreyFoxx:

what tweaks do you use? can't say I've ever done much more than just overscan control :)

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xris:

mostly just the anti-flicker stuff

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fryfrog:

in the nvidia help file, it has a *ton* of options, the main one...

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fryfrog:

er, yeah that

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fryfrog:

i *thought* it was a setting in nvidia-settings

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sanmarcos:

maybe its the tv, Ill try a windows build and see how it goes

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xris:

GreyFoxx: but I did tweak with the nvidia-settings app and just load its settings at login

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fryfrog:

but last i looked, i did not see it

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fryfrog:

oh?

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xris:

sanmarcos: have you played with nvidia-settings?

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fryfrog:

maybe i wasn't looking right :)

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Eskas:

anyone around?

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xris:

nope

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Igg-man:

I think there is

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Eskas:

nice :)

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fryfrog:

sorry, went to bed an hour ago :)

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Eskas:

I have some problem with getting any tv-picture at all with myth

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Eskas:

channel scanning is ok, but no picture even on fta channels.

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sanmarcos:

xris: will play with it and with tv out for nvidia

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Igg-man:

what capture card?

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tjcarter:

wow, myth thinks this entire show is a commercial

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tjcarter:

probably not far off

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tjcarter:

but still =D

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Eskas:

Igg-man: it's twinhan 2031

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Eskas:

and I get picture in kaffeine

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sanmarcos:

ok, after changing some settings, it seems better

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sanmarcos:

I have a small tv (probably 20) dont know, what fonts should I use for them to become readable?

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sanmarcos:

I tried setting them higher, but I loose the bottom buttons on setup

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sanmarcos:

even if I hard set myths x and y size

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sanmarcos:

what is position saved/ position cleared?

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JackHanna:

could I get some help setting up xfree86 with nvidia TV out?

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JackHanna:

I got it working on my monitor

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JackHanna:

I'm using knopixmyth

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GreyFoxx:

sanmarcos: bookmarks..so next time you start playing that video you jump right to that spot

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JackHanna:

what rez should I set X to run at for TV out?

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jams:

JackHanna- I think there are example tv-out configs in /etc/X11/

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GreyFoxx:

640/720x480 or 800x600 is usually used

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JackHanna:

8x6 looked really bad

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seth|laptop:

yes there are

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JackHanna:

what are all these ModeLine entries

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seth|laptop:

in /etc/X11/XF86Config-4.nvidia-tvout.sample

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JackHanna:

oh shoot didn't see that

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JackHanna:

guess I should start there

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seth|laptop:

its what I used

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JackHanna:

couldn't I just copy that to my xf86conf

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JackHanna:

should I run in 16 or 24bit color?

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sanmarcos:

does nvidia settings save the settings anywhere

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sanmarcos:

or do I have to putt hem manualy in xorg?

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GreyFoxx:

I think it has an option to save them in a .nvidia-settings-rc file or

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sanmarcos:

does the nvidia driver read that?

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GreyFoxx:

xris: cool,. I turen down the flicker filter from the default 127 to 5 and it's noticably sharper

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GreyFoxx:

san, nope

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sanmarcos:

so, the best way to make sure it works is to hard code them into xorg.conf?

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GreyFoxx:

if you want them to bereset to what's in the file you have to run nvidia settings and tell it to just load the settings

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GreyFoxx:

not all of the options are available in the xorg config

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kennyt:

Is there some way to use a PVR-350's sound channel as a volume-regulated output?

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sanmarcos:

GreyFoxx: that uscks

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Spicerun:

Anybody using their mythtv box for HDTV?

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kennyt:

Could myth be set to reduce the volume in the mpeg stream that's going to /dev/video16?

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GreyFoxx:

*shrug* a simple "nvidia-settings -l " isn't that rough

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sanmarcos:

GreyFoxx: because when I run nvida settings and mythtv side by side, everything looks great (using ratpoison split windows)

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sanmarcos:

GreyFoxx: ok let me try

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GreyFoxx:

Inever use the nvidia-settings gui, I always set stuff via the commandline

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Spicerun:

Am I doing the wrong thing by using the video as a timing base?

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sanmarcos:

GreyFoxx: I did that, but myth seems to ignore it

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sanmarcos:

if I put nvidia-settings and myht side by side, the settings do get applied

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sanmarcos:

I get nice non-blurred display

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sanmarcos:

otherwise, if I even minimize (not really in this wm) the nvidia settings, the stuff on myth goes away (the nice config)

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GreyFoxx:

sanmarcos: that has nothing to do with myth, it's purely for configuring the x driver / card

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sanmarcos:

no yeah I know, but the changes should apply to myth

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GreyFoxx:

you might have to save your changes to a file before using the -l

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sanmarcos:

it doenst matter if its qt or opengl ui, I still have the same issue

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GreyFoxx:

I don't think it auto saves them

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sanmarcos:

they are in .nvidia-whatev-erc

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GreyFoxx:

after you run nvidia-settings -l you can use nvidia-settings -q all to check the current values

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sanmarcos:

hmm let szee

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sanmarcos:

well flickerfilter is one ten (sorry I dont have the one number in this kbd)

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Zider:

can mythtv be used with a graphical LCD, or does it have to be alphanumerical display?

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sanmarcos:

in the config file, but nvidia-settings -q all (pipe) grep -i flick doesnt display that value

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sanmarcos:

something about optional display

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GreyFoxx:

http://pastebin.ca/205745 That's what I get

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GreyFoxx:

but I'm also only using a single output (ie, no vga)

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sanmarcos:

yes me too, single output

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sanmarcos:

the values are fine

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sanmarcos:

its just that I have to run nvidia-settings side by side (the gui) with myth or any other app (say screentest) for it to apply the settings

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kennyt:

seems like you should be able to, say, take the mpg from the tuner, feed the audio into a dummy audio device w/mixer, send the video to something similar/a fifo, then reconnect the scaled audio and the video and pipe them to the video decoder as mpg

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sanmarcos:

I dont know nvidia-settings -l doesnt apply them

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sanmarcos:

do I need to be root?

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GreyFoxx:

nope

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Dagmar:

If you can't figure out what the interface is converting the flickerfree setting to when it stores it in the conf file, you should stick with using the interface to set it.

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Dagmar:

...and yes, nvidia-settings saves the settings on exit.

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sanmarcos:

huh?

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sanmarcos:

what I am saying is for the changes to apply I have to run nvidia settings gui and myth, or any other gui app side by side

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sanmarcos:

one in one window, one in the other

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sanmarcos:

else it doesnt apply at all

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Dagmar:

No, you just run nvidia-settings -l as soon as you start X.

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Dagmar:

That's _all_ that has to be done.

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sanmarcos:

ok, il reststart x

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GreyFoxx:

man I shoulda messed with that setting before, I was very happy before but this is noticably sharper

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sanmarcos:

yes, it makes it sharper

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sanmarcos:

Dagmar: ok, I did what you said

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sanmarcos:

now I notice that the settings applies to myth only when it is not fullscreen

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WAR_CH|LD:

guys, I have a weird one. the system I have, i'm using NTPD to sync hte time, but it looks like all the aussie tv stations run differently.. .because all shows start 5–10mins late in recording and you miss the end

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WAR_CH|LD:

I know you can use "start X mins" early, but I was wondering is there a way I can manipulate the time?

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kormoc:

WAR_CH|LD, sure, disable ntp and set it by hand

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GreyFoxx:

sanmarcos: No, the settings apply to X, not to individual applications within it

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WAR_CH|LD:

yeah, but wont it just become even worse

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WAR_CH|LD:

yeah, I dunno what I mean really

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GreyFoxx:

and if your video is looking sharper in a smaller window....welll duh, of course it is

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sanmarcos:

GreyFoxx,Dagmar wierd, it might be my VM

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kormoc:

if you don't reset it every so often, sure

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sanmarcos:

wm I mean

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Sebulba02:

Hey, I've got a mythfrontend plugged into my tv via s-video and when I playback video, I have a blue line on my left & top part of the screen. I've tried the position and scan settings in mythtv and looked at the nvidia-settings, anyone have any other idea of how to get rid of it?

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GreyFoxx:

the applications, window managers and such have NO knowledge of those settings

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GreyFoxx:

X applies them to the card itself

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Zider:

Sebulba02: xvattr -a XV_COLORKEY -v 0

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Zider:

Sebulba02: sets it to black so you won't bebothered by it

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GreyFoxx:

all non upscaled, or even downscaled video will look sharper than normal

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sanmarcos:

GreyFoxx: right, but when an xterm windows goes over the myth windoes

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sanmarcos:

window, my fonts in myth become significantly sharper

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sanmarcos:

evertything looks as the way tit should

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GreyFoxx:

That makes no sense BUT that sort of thing is drawn with X events so I suppose X could be doing something there

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** kormoc blinks **

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Sebulba02:

Zider: cool, thanks

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** kormoc thinks sanmarcos' X server is haunted **

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sanmarcos:

GreyFoxx: what wm do you use?

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GreyFoxx:

sanmarcos: IceWM

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sanmarcos:

i dont suppose the wm makes a difference

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kormoc:

the key is it shouldn't

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GreyFoxx:

Not likely

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sanmarcos:

I dont know why, but running nvidia-settings side by side with another app makes it look great

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sanmarcos:

without it everything is blurred

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sanmarcos:

i am using ratpoision btw

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kormoc:

I didn't know you could do stacked windows in ratpoision

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sanmarcos:

c-t-S

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sanmarcos:

split windows

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kormoc:

that splits, sure, but doesn't stack, does it?

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sanmarcos:

dont think so

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sanmarcos:

anyhow I give up

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sanmarcos:

it is not a myth problem anyhow

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sanmarcos:

GreyFoxx: your 6200 works fine then huh?

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sanmarcos:

GreyFoxx: what distro/nv driver version?

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GreyFoxx:

I don't have a 6200

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GreyFoxx:

GF4 MX440

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GreyFoxx:

Slackware, Nvidia 7667

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sanmarcos:

8762 here

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sanmarcos:

kormoc: what card do you have?/driver

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kennyt:

is there some way to output recordings/live tv to a specified device?

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GreyFoxx:

kennyt: how do you mean?

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kormoc:

6200, nvidia 8774

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kennyt:

GreyFoxx: i want to send the mpeg stream to a device other than my mpeg decoder, so i can do audio processing on it

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GreyFoxx:

ahh

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GreyFoxx:

myth has support for some video filters and such, but I don;t know of anything that will do exactly what you want

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sanmarcos:

kormoc: I am guessing it is not a tv problem

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sanmarcos:

kormoc: what widnow manager?

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GreyFoxx:

but you couldalways write afilter for myth for it :)

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sanmarcos:

kormoc: can you paste your .nvidia settings and xorg.conf, it would be a huge favor for me :)

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kormoc:

sanmarcos, lwm is my window manager

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kormoc:

sanmarcos, and I said before, when I get home, I'd be glad to

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sanmarcos:

kormoc: ill be connected, and thank you sir

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aboutblank:

how do i change the default behavior of mythtv to actually change the stupid channel when i press the channel up or down button (which is equivalent to the up or down arrow on my keyboard)

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seth|laptop:

utilities – settings – tv – playback – take the check out of the box that says "always use browse mode" or the like. its on like the 3rd page

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cipher_nemo:

I'm following j-rod's Fedora Mythology guide, and now just installing ivtv for my PVR-500. I've completed these commands to get ivtv...

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cipher_nemo:

# yum -y install ivtv-firmware ivtv-firmware-audio

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cipher_nemo:

# yum -y install ivtv-kmdl-$KVER

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cipher_nemo:

But this one... # yum -y install ivtv ... "ivtv" alone can't be found

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cipher_nemo:

I assume the packages are broken up by names, ie: ivtv-0.4.7, etc.?

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j-rod:

http://atrpms.net/dist/fc5/ivtv/

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cipher_nemo:

hey j-rod... looks like another change needed for your guide then?

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j-rod:

there's an ivtv package there... so not sure why its failing...

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cipher_nemo:

I've gotten ivtv before manually

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cipher_nemo:

from ivtv's site

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j-rod:

not sure what's up

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j-rod:

busy bitch-slapping zimbra right now... :)

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cipher_nemo:

ah, lol

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aboutblank:

seth|laptop: thanks a BILLION

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** j-rod really should be packing, since he has a 3000 mile flight in the morning... **

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seth|laptop:

np

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cipher_nemo:

j-rod: that's ok, zimbra could use all of the slapping you provide :)

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j-rod:

esp. on a 64-bit OS

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cipher_nemo:

ouch

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j-rod:

perl no play nice

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j-rod:

getting there slowly

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cipher_nemo:

perl want old-school archs

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j-rod:

zimbra folks only build 32-bit bins

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j-rod:

s'pose I could compile natively, but that might be even more work...

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cipher_nemo:

rollin' your own is always more work :)

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LabMonkey:

ok

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LabMonkey:

mencoder is really pissing me off

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cipher_nemo:

j-rod: if I have 2.6.17–1.2187_FC5 kernel, should I jsut download the "ivtv-kmdl-2.6.17–1.2187_FC5–0.7.1–118.fc5.at.x86_64.rpm& quot; ... what's the difference between FC5 and FC5xen in their rpm names?

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j-rod:

don't get the xen on

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cipher_nemo:

what is xen?

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j-rod:

and yeah, that kmdl should work

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cipher_nemo:

k

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j-rod:

www.xensource.com

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cipher_nemo:

ah, thx

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j-rod:

like vmware

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j-rod:

sort of

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tuck3r:

if i use any init script i get this. http://pastebin.ca/205807 I know it's not a mythTV problem but lots of gentoo uses in here

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j-rod:

slightly less stable :)

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cipher_nemo:

eeew.. xen is scary... I see the word Micro$oft in there

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j-rod:

its mostly Linux-y

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j-rod:

but the plan is to be able to run MS guests on xen

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cipher_nemo:

like MacOS X is BSD-y? ;)

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j-rod:

no, as in xen is mostly a linux thing

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cipher_nemo:

makes sense, thx for the info

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charlieS:

Xen is linux, but with VT you can now run Windows.

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LabMonkey:

tuck3r: uhh... when's the last time you updated baselayout?

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cipher_nemo:

scary thought

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charlieS:

not at all :P

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j-rod:

only VT support is... still less than stellar...

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tuck3r:

LabMonkey: after I installed this box, sometime last night

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LabMonkey:

tuck3r: running ~arch?

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tuck3r:

nope, stable

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cipher_nemo:

j-rod: very odd... it looks like I already have it installed. May be this was added to the mythtv-suite package (101 packages in one) since your last update in the guide?

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j-rod:

hrm, dunno, could be

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cipher_nemo:

j-rod: what's the quickest way to check to see what each package installs?

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j-rod:

pay attention when you're installing? :)

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j-rod:

you can do 'rpm -qR <package>' to see its direct dependencies

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j-rod:

but sometimes there's a lengthy chain

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cipher_nemo:

j-rod: not really, lol... my DSL connection was sloooow yesterday, so I left it on overnight :) ok, I'll try that, thx!

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cipher_nemo:

j-rod: ahhh, I think I know what happened... it's not in the mythtv-suite, it was automatically found as a dependency for one of your two commands:

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cipher_nemo:

# yum -y install ivtv-firmware ivtv-firmware-audio

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cipher_nemo:

# yum -y install ivtv-kmdl-$KVER

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cipher_nemo:

isn't yum wonderfully pre-emptive? :)

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LabMonkey:

tuck3r: emerge -vp sys-apps/baselayout

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LabMonkey:

mainly looking for what version you have

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j-rod:

ah, the Requires: on some packages have probably changed over time

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j-rod:

been a while since I've done a bare-metal

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tuck3r:

LabMonkey: baselayout-1.12.5-r2

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cipher_nemo:

j-rod: at least now you have more ammo to make notes in your guide :) ... when using yum, the ivtv-kmdl probably got ivtv-`uname -r`*

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LabMonkey:

tuck3r: tried env-update? or source /etc/profile?

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tuck3r:

yep, both

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LabMonkey:

ok well that's... fucked up, daisy

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tuck3r:

i then rebooted and my whole system is fucked

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LabMonkey:

uhm

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tuck3r:

yeah, bad idae

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LabMonkey:

boot with your livecd and run fsck?

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tuck3r:

LabMonkey: doing

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LabMonkey:

it sounds like to me either a) your / partition is (at least partially) corrupted, or b) somehow you got a bad installation of baselayout which shouldn't happen

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xzcvczx:

when i am reading a news feed and i hit enter (meant to load mythbrowser at page i believe) mythbrowser crashes, anyone else get this?

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tuck3r:

LabMonkey: the / partition fine

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LabMonkey:

tuck3r: tried #gentoo yet?

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tuck3r:

yep

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LabMonkey:

I'm out of guesses at this point

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LabMonkey:

you might try chrooting into your system again and re-merging baselayout

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tuck3r:

tried, it fails

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tuck3r:

when it gets to touch it fails

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tuck3r:

*sigh*, reinstall time

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xzcvczx:

is anyone using mythbrowser-0.20?

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Ediehow:

anyone using dishnetwork? can you get rid of the screensaver silliness?

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GreyFoxx:

Elephant: If you are in northa america which you appear to be, you don't need to import analog cable channels

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GreyFoxx:

myth will get the channel info from zap2it when it gets your program listings

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Elephant:

channel scanning revealed a bunch of channels that weren't in my zap2it listings...and some of the ones that are don't have very good quality

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GreyFoxx:

You can tweak frequencies in the channel editor

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GreyFoxx:

IT's not the friendliest thing to do though as it's not done live while watching the channel

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Elephant:

it's not user-friendly though

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Elephant:

I had some trouble getting mythtv working, so I installed kdetv to verify that my capture card was working...

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GreyFoxx:

xris: I playedwith that flicker setting, made a noticable improvement :)

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Elephant:

the channel scanning/freq. tweaking in that program is much nicer than in mythtv

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flip_fl:

well--- I've fskd my myth box again- I put in an older nvidia mx400 card trying to see if that would resolve my XvMC issues ( it has to use the legacy drivers) – anyway, the newer x servers come with composite enabled by default – before I could explicitly disable composite extensions in xorg I hard locked a few times

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GreyFoxx:

Doesn't suprise me. It's pretty rare that anyone scans for analog channels

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flip_fl:

I now have accelerated X on the nvidia card using ythe legacy drivers but myth setup nor myth front end will come up -

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Elephant:

hmm, maybe I just have to work a bit harder on my zap2it listings

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flip_fl:

In myth frontend I get the background – then 'scaling whatever' rthe just the background

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flip_fl:

I've tried repairing my sql (after backup) but no joy- any ideas

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GreyFoxx:

flip_fl: Add the following to your X config in the section about your video card :

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flip_fl:

in myth setup I just get the background – nothing else

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GreyFoxx:

Option "RenderAccel" "Off"

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GreyFoxx:

Option "AllowGLXWithComposite" "Off"

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GreyFoxx:

then restart X

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flip_fl:

GreyFoxx: if I render accel 'off' won't that disable dri and also not allow XvMC

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GreyFoxx:

no

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GreyFoxx:

It wont affect either

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flip_fl:

GreyFoxx: Ok — I'll give it a try

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flip_fl:

GreyFoxx: You da MAN-- Thanks

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GreyFoxx:

np, glad it did the trick

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flip_fl:

ok – still no Xvmc tho

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GreyFoxx:

you have it enabled as your decoder? And I assume myth has support compiled in ?

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GreyFoxx:

though I have no idea how far back cardwisethe XvMC support goes in the nvidia drivers

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flip_fl:

videooutput xvmc error: XvMC output requested but is not supported by display | Xlib: extension "XVideoMotionCompensation " missing on display 0:0

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flip_fl:

I'm pretty sure I had this card working a year or so ago with XvMC

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flip_fl:

prolly like .18 of myth

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GreyFoxx:

I've never used it on any card before a GF4 MX440

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GreyFoxx:

so I don';t know what current nvidia drivers support

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GreyFoxx:

You can check your X log for a line like (II) Loading extension XVideo-MotionCompensation

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GreyFoxx:

If that's not in there Myth wont be able to use XvMC as X isn't making it available to it

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flip_fl:

this is a geforce 2 – it has to use the older 'legacy' drivers – not supported by nvidia anymore in newer binaries

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GreyFoxx:

What driver version ?

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flip_fl:

7184

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flip_fl:

lemmee check my log

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GreyFoxx:

7667 here, I have no reason to update so I haven'tbothered :)

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flip_fl:

it _looks_ like the xv extension loaded

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GreyFoxx:

There should be 2 entries. One for XVideo, and one for XVideo-MotionCompensation If the driver is allowing it

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flip_fl:

yup -got 'em both

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GreyFoxx:

of course those lines don;t mean it was successful hehe

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flip_fl:

I grepped for WW and EE – there was nothing of significance

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flip_fl:

lemmee check my xvmcconfig

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flip_fl:

my XvMCConfig says libXvMC.so.1-- should I change that to /usr/lib/libXvMCNVIDIA.so.1

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flip_fl:

or also have a /usr/lib/libXvMCNVIDIA_dynamic.so.1-- an7ybody know the difference

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GreyFoxx:

This is what I have : http://pastebin.ca/205919

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flip_fl:

so dynamic links to installed version it looks like

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GreyFoxx:

IT's whatever the nvidia installer did. I had nothing to do with it :)

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flip_fl:

same errors – I wonder why it can't find screen with xvmc

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flip_fl:

anybody know the mplayer switch to use xvmc off the top of thier head

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flip_fl:

GreyFoxx: I'm gonna call it a night- I'm not getting anywhere, now I'm not even at all sure this is the card I had working with my pchdtv before – anyway, thanks for all your help tonight

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flip_fl:

oh BTW – I turned "AllowGLXWithComposite" "Off" back to 'on' ( I like only making 1 change at a time) and my menus still worked in myth so I think all I needed to do was "RenderAccel" "Off" to fix the earlier screen problem

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danphill:

hi everyone

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cipher_nemo:

All of my channel numbers in MythTV 0.20 are shown as "Adding Channel" X while browsing LiveTV... I remember seeing that in mythtvsetup. Do I have to run the setup again to define channel names?

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netw1z:

anyone using wireless joysitcks

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Anduin:

Juski: It is a "C"ism, aborts the program right there depending on a condition

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Juski:

thanks Anduin. ah you've gone. damn

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** Juski resorts to opening MS Ai-eeeeeeeeee **

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Juski:

chug chug chug, java java. .. Zzzz

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ivor:

Juski: 'sup?

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Hoxzer:

Â¦)

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Hoxzer:

soon I leave you guys

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Hoxzer:

it is school time

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Hoxzer:

|Â°_ Â°

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Juski:

ivor: just our ridiculously slow online purchasing system

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Juski:

since we moved offices it's been very sluggish

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ivor:

heh. oh dear. but you openend IE? poor thing.

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ivor:

perhaps the bits have farther to travel?

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Juski:

and it's all java based.. which often crashes firefox, or makes it hang

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Juski:

starting to get excited about next week though :)

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ivor:

naturally.

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Juski:

gonna try & do some digging to find out how it might be possible to fund further expo appearances & other things to help promote mythtv some more & possibly try to address users' prejudices & concerns about the project

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ivor:

I'll meet up with you for a chat at the expo.

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Juski:

cool :)

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Juski:

one thing this stand definitely won't be is under-manned.. not this time

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ivor:

heh, in that case... perhaps the overspill could come and give a hand on KDE.

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ivor:

undermanned as usual.

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Juski:

I should give KDE a proper go at some point. I made an arbitrary decision when I 1st installed Gentoo on my backend 2 years ago & got stuck with it

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Juski:

it, being Gnome

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ivor:

whatever you fine "comfiest". I've tried gnome a few times, but it always winds me up for some reason.

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ivor:

s/fine/find/

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Juski:

don't actually USE it very often. I didn't like it much when I tried Ubuntu as my desktop OS

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Juski:

is there a DE that looks/feels more like OS X? that I might like

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ivor:

heh. you can skin most wm's to look acqua... but it's never as good as the realk thing.

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ivor:

big points on the 'Ricer' scale, but IMHO you're just better finding a good clean native style.

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Juski:

the 'taskbar' animations I could live without, but I do like the look of Aqua

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quicksilver:

RICER!

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quicksilver:

vroom

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Juski:

so ivor – do you know if the linuxworld expo is very well attended? are we talking hundreds or thousands of attendees?

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ivor:

Juski: pretty busy last year. thousands.

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ivor:

mostly local government/education type representatives wandering around.

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ivor:

and students.

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ivor:

and google scouting the talents.

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Juski:

we were swamped on our little stand at LRL, just the 2 of us

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Juski:

and only about 300–400 people were there AFAIK

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Juski:

students?! argghhh!

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Juski:

;)

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qu0zl:

guys, is it 50hz or 60hz for PAL-I? If I've a 100hz tv should I try and create a 100hz modeline with a fx5200?

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Juski:

50hz

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qu0zl:

i'm used to the openchrome drivers doing all this for me ;)

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qu0zl:

cheers Juski

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qu0zl:

i've replaced my sp13000 with a mini-itx pentium-m and fx5200.

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qu0zl:

it was working too well and i got bored :(

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qu0zl:

now i've a suitably broken mythtv box :)

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Juski:

"I have to parcels in reception...".. TO ? as many as that? bloody hell.. where do we get these people from?

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ivor:

what TV tuner is on the sp13000?

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ServerSag:

qu0zl: Boredom is the cause of most of my mythtv problems. :)

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qu0zl:

cn400 ivor

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qu0zl:

hmm or vt something, i can't remember, one sec

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ivor:

TV.

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Juski:

qu0zl: modelines make squat all difference to tv encoders AFAIK

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ivor:

oh ots only a 1623.

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ivor:

bah.

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Juski:

nvidia ones anyway...

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qu0zl:

ahh i thought it was a 1625 ivor

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ivor:

yeah I was going to "make you an offer" if it was. but google says it's a 1623. :)

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qu0zl:

ahh thanks ivor. I've already promised it to a friend

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qu0zl:

selling it at half-price to help finace my pentium-m :)

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qu0zl:

cheers Juski, that's good to know

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qu0zl:

i even put 'PAL' instead of 'PAL-I' into the nvidia config last night and it fell back to NTSC-M. I didnt even notice

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Juski:

qu0zl: 100Hz TVs just use a load of bollocks called line doubling

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qu0zl:

maybe my tv can accept ntsc, news to me tbh

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qu0zl:

ahh, like bob deinterlace basically?

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Juski:

yup

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Juski:

only not as good

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qu0zl:

heh

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Juski:

(in most cases)

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qu0zl:

have you used a nvidia tv-out Juski? You leave off deinterlace?

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qu0zl:

i found my sp13000 looked better with deinterlace strangely

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Juski:

nvidia's flicker filter deals with it.. god knows how but it does

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qu0zl:

cool

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Juski:

left me puzzled for quite a while

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qu0zl:

ivor, do you need a cn400 for openchrome dev work? I'd swap you the sp13000 for a m1000 or m2–1000. My friend would never know the difference tbh

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qu0zl:

it'd make none to him frankly

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Juski:

ticker crawlers on news channels looked _perfect_ without deinterlacing, with only a moderate 'deflicker filter' setting

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qu0zl:

cool

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ivor:

qu0zl: heh, no I've got a CN400. I'm looking for a VT1625.

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qu0zl:

grand

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Juski:

the _best_ way to get PAL is go use RGB & a VGA converter circuit (basically a sync combiner).. in tandem with a custom modeline

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Juski:

that way you get properly centred, correctly scaled output

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ivor:

yup, as long as your VGA chip can do interlaced modes.

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Juski:

ivor: I've prolly asked this before but can never remember, can the via tv encoder registers be tweaked to centre the image?

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ivor:

yup. I have the code to do it.

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Juski:

(this time I'll make a note of it)

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ivor:

you can pretty much pump out any res/frequency/size/position you want.

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Juski:

is the code available to try?

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ivor:

um, kind of.

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ivor:

or you mean for people other than me?

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Juski:

yeah.. the tv out in minimyth is 720x576NoScale but it's not centred perfectly

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Juski:

my tv, with a test signal, is spot on

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Juski:

I'm actually gonna bring in my via box to work soon, to investigate if I can fix the crosshatching I see on the svid output with highly saturated colours

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Juski:

it's only slight, but you know how it is when you know it's there ;)

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gbee:

Juski: where's your channel icon script then?

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gbee:

:)

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Juski:

channel icon script?

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Juski:

it was never that... more a 'user enters his postcode & spits out xmltvids & frequencies'

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gbee:

heh, weren't you talking about writing scripts for making life a little easier for us UK users? Well we wondered if you had a script for channel icons ;)

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Juski:

gbee: xmltv now supports it

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Juski:

look at the latest xmltv release... in the channel_ids file there's now an icon URL

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gbee:

ahh, but then I'd have to do the work to incorporate the ability into myth ;)

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Juski:

haha

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Juski:

I didn't get round to working on the icon side of it – thinking that knowing the xmltvid would be enough

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Juski:

although maybe the tv_grab_uk_rt script now has icon downloading functionality built in – it'd be worth looking

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gbee:

yeah, I'll do that – might be an easy addition

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Juski:

sourceforge should plough some profits into their hosting IMHO

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Juski:

it's bloody crap!

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quicksilver:

they don't make any profit, do they?

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Juski:

their parent company is worth a mint

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quicksilver:

their shares are floating around 4 dollars where they've been for ages

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gbee:

long been that way – I kept clear of it for my driver project because of the downtime and slowness

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quicksilver:

when I sold most of mine they were worth 110/share

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Juski:

hmm doesn't look like uk_rt does icon grabbing

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gbee:

:/

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Juski:

gbee: in theory it'd be simple enough to make a bit of PERL to grab the icons. might be something for me to do in my lunchybreak :)

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Juski:

oh bugger. icon URLs aren't in the latest version.. only in CVS

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Juski:

there was that lyngsat grabber on the ML ages ago – I got that to work (in a fashion)

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gbee:

sure, if you want to do that and submit it as a contrib script, otherwise I'll do it when I find the time

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gbee:

does the uk_rt grabber download icons in CVS?

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Juski:

in my channel config wizard script I used a pseudo-xml config file with all the stuff in it – there's room for an icon location there

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dorel__:

which tree in svn is for 2.0-fixes?

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Juski:

work on that is on hold for the time being, FYI

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Juski:

dorel__: see svn.mythtv.org

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dorel__:

im assuming http://cvs.mythtv.org/svn/trunk/mythtv is latest (unstable)

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dorel__:

ahh ok thanks

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Juski:

mmmm pork pie

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quicksilver:

mmmm badger pie

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kenguru:

how about that xbmc mythtv plugin, should i think i might have change to watch live tv with it?

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kenguru:

thank god english ain't my native language.

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Juski:

kenguru: livetv is SO 20th century anyway. why would you want that?

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kenguru:

Juski, i have xbox in another room and i don't have any else dvb reciver than dvb card in another room :)

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Cougar:

Juski: do you often read last month news? ;-)

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Juski:

why would you want to use live tv though?

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karbas:

what's live tv ?

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Juski:

Cougar: TV news barely changes from 6am to 12am

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Cougar:

its pseudo-live ;-)

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kenguru:

Juski, next year analog tv broadcast will end that means people who doesn't have dvb television or digibox doesn't have to pay tv license (or should i say tax)

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karbas:

what is this live tv thingie?

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Cougar:

I often watch music channels from live-tv. no reason to record them ;-p

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karbas:

Cougar, what is live tv?

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karbas:

or what you mean by live tv?

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Juski:

kenguru: the way live tv works since 0.19 is so much different. live tv recordings are broken up at programme boundaries (according to the times in the EPG). previously live tv was a single buffer file

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Cougar:

live tv is when you don't schedule recording but watch what is on air at the moment

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kenguru:

karbas, watching live broadcast with xbox mythtv plugin from a mythtv box?

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ikke_:

kenguru: i occationally use my xbmcmythtv for livetv, and it occationally works :)

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karbas:

Cougar, ok

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karbas:

kenguru, ok

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Juski:

ikke_: you running 0.20 ?

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ikke_:

Juski: trunk

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Juski:

woo I didn't know they'd fixed livetv in xbmcmythtv

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Juski:

now I know that I can go back to ignoring it

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ikke_:

Juski: back to ignoring ...?

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ikke_:

u mean u have it but don't use it?

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Juski:

damn right. xbox is FUGLY & noisy

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ikke_:

true

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Juski:

my frontend is nice, and silent

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Juski:

and looks better than XBMC

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ikke_:

that's why i hid the box and changed the fan...

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ServerSage:

Juski: What do you use for a frontend?

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Juski:

who cares?

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ServerSage:

Juski: Umm, me? I'm looking for something small, silent, and sexy.

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quicksilver:

midget porn?

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ServerSage:

quicksilver: The prefer to be called little people.

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Juski:

ServerSage: EPIA M-10k. very small. made silent with a HSF mod

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ServerSage:

Did you just put a big ass hs on it?

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Juski:

yup

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ZeeO:

Hi i have a WinTv pvr 250 will it work good with myth tv?

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Juski:

yes.

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ikke_:

does anyone know how mythtv backend knows that there are no clients active?

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ikke_:

there is this CLOSE message at least

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Juski:

yes. the clients tell them they're active with the ANN protocol command

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Juski:

AFAIK

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ikke_:

asking because if I use xbmcmythtv mythbackend does not go to idle and shutdown anymore

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ikke_:

and i have dumped the ethernet and see that it sends the close

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Juski:

xbmcmythtv is hackish

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Juski:

like if xbmcmythtv crashes during livetv, it takes some effort to free up the recorder again

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ikke_:

but pretty good addition to whole mythtv thingie if happen to own xbox

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ikke_:

oh

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ikke_:

i don't use it for live tv, i have a tv for that :)

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ikke_:

but watch recordings instead

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ikke_:

works well enough. not surely as good as mythtv, but let's me see the shows

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Juski:

it needs recording groups to be better

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ikke_:

i think it has those now

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ikke_:

i tried once again to get xvmc working with my nvidia 6200, but got grayscale problem mentioned in wiki. Still no cure for that?

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ikke_:

the fix was only for [45]200 cards

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Juski:

ikke_: no, no cure

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ikke_:

Juski: well thanks, won't play around with that anymore yet.

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Paladine:

w000p the ram arrived for my transcoder :)

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pouet:

hello

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pouet:

can I ask thnigs that can appear illÃ©gal but will in fact just save me the cost of a CAM ?

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pouet:

illegal

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Juski:

no

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Juski:

oops. I mean _NO_

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pouet:

I want to use a DVB-C card, but mostly for recording. I want to still have the possiblity to use the normal demodulator. in fact it's for my parents. the VCR died, and I could do a nice PVR for far less than a dvd or hard drive recorder

[12:32:39]

Juski:

so? talking about illegal stuff is not allowed in here.

[12:32:54]

pouet:

it's not illegal yet

[12:33:24]

Juski:

bypassing the need for a CAM _IS_ illegal

[12:34:11]

Juski:

anyway it's not very likely anyone will be able to help you. not many folks here use dvb-c

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pouet:

I can consider switching the chip card between the demodulator and the phenoix or cam reader on the PC, but I am wondering if it's very long to initialise

[12:34:54]

Juski:

it takes a few sconds to initialise as far as I know

[12:35:18]

pouet:

if it's shorter than a demudulator boot, that's nice

[12:36:08]

Juski:

demodulator boot ?

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pouet:

the cable terminal

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pouet:

so with CI+

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pouet:

so with a CI+CAM you don't need anything on software side ?

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pouet:

I have read on a forum they use a infinty phoenix USB chip card reader.

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pouet:

that's still legal because you need the chip card acces key , but I guess descrambling is done in software. The advantage is that it cost 45 euros and it's still legal. I am wondering if anyone used that

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pouet:

is there a way to do a VGA -> RGB scart adapter for ATI video cards ?

[12:41:22]

Juski:

pouet: it's NOT 100% legal. It is a 'grey area', not yet tested in court

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pouet:

ah. well at least that's a nice effort for legalness at low cost ;)

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Juski:

plus it will not work in mythtv

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Juski:

mythtv only works with hardware CAMs

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pouet:

ah

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pouet:

:-/

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Juski:

never mind that. do you want lawyers trying to stop mythtv being distributed?

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pouet:

I think VDR does.

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gr0mit:

can anyone shed light on my problem with a dvb card? http://pastebin.ca/206411

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Juski:

VDR does infact support softcams. but that's their business

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pouet:

I just want to watch and record tb

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pouet:

tv

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pouet:

with best quality.

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Juski:

pouet: so buy the proper hardware, or use VDR & put up with VDR's limitations

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ivor_afk:

or write the code yourself.

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quicksilver:

out of interest are their DVB-T/CAM cards for the UK market? Not that there's anything on topupTV I care about, but I'm curious

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Juski:

gr0mit: looks like the right modules are not loaded

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Juski:

quicksilver: TUTV is dying on its arse

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quicksilver:

Juski: nod

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quicksilver:

Juski: film four was about the only pay channel I was remotely interested in

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quicksilver:

and now it's free, yay :)

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Juski:

and their new stuff is based on completely propriatary encryption

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gr0mit:

hmmmm

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Juski:

.. which folks aren't gonna be too happy about – having to buy yet another new box... rofl

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ivor:

Juski: hmm when will they ever learn.... proprietary encryption.

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Juski:

topuptv_anytime, they call it

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Juski:

on demand with a lag of several hours

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quicksilver:

locally caching on a HD? or just spraying out repeats all over?

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Juski:

both

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Juski:

though how they'll deal with refunding people when they lose recordings before they've watched em is beyond me

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quicksilver:

:)

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dorel__:

upgrading the entire system didnt help solving the crashes either

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quicksilver:

only stupid people will buy it, and they will assume it was their own fault because they're stupid, and not complain?

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Juski:

quicksilver: well so far tutv users number around 70,000

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Juski:

pretty slim

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Juski:

plus they've just lost mux space to channel5, who kicked em off their mux

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Juski:

bwahahahahaha

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quicksilver:

nice

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quicksilver:

although that's my weak mux

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quicksilver:

must get that bloody aerial sorted

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Juski:

reminds me I still need to buy an amp

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quicksilver:

incidentally

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dorel__:

and the memtest86 test i was running didnt find any errors for a couple of hours so i gave up at test#7 or so

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dorel__:

juski, seems like im gonna remove all my debian sid packages and re-build from source.

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dorel__:

juski, i suppose i need to remove *ALL* mythtv related packages (mythplugins, mythvideo, libmyth, etc...)

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fryfrog:

dorel__: you've probably already described your symtoms... but wanna do it again?

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quicksilver:

what kind of hifi amp has SPD/IF digital inputs? I did a quick browse around and it seemed only something really expensive (erm, 250 quid upwards) called an 'A/V receiver' supported digital in

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dorel__:

fryfrog: my mythfrontend crashes all the time.

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Juski:

dorel__: yeah remove all traces of the mythtv packages

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fryfrog:

dorel__: seg faults?

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dorel__:

fryfrog: yep.

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dorel__:

fryfrog: i tried upgrading to latest mythtv stuff, then i upgraded kernel, then upgraded the entire system packages... still crashes.

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pouet:

why softcams are illÃ©gal ?

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Juski:

quicksilver: look at www.superfi.co.uk & richersounds.com.. plenty amps there with spdif & dolby 5.1 for not many sheckles ;)

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Juski:

pouet: because you can make them work without having a proper card

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dorel__:

fryfrog: ill take any suggestions you have before i completely remove my debian packages of mythtv and start a recompile from source

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Beirdo:

pouet, talk of softcams is not welcome here. Please drop it.

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Juski:

quicksilver: my yamaha 7.1 receiver cost under £160.. it's very nice. nicer than my old Technics shite

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quicksilver:

Juski: I did look at richersounds a few months back, maybe I was looking in the wrong places. /me looks again

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pouet:

anyone tried a VGA to SCART cable like that one ? http://www.idiots.org.uk/vga_rgb_scart/

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Juski:

$deity on a bike! http://www.superfi.co.uk/index.cfm/page/morei . . . duct_ID/2103

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quicksilver:

that's a nice cheap one, I'll go for that

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Juski:

hahaha

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Juski:

yeah 1/3 of my casebadge profits will buy me two of them

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Juski:

another reminder to myself. need to set up an online shop

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dorel__:

so i guess im going on a full uninstall and recompile then :)

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kslater:

so what commercial options are there for VGA to component or DVI?

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kslater:

and can VGA -> component drive HD resolutions?

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Beirdo:

OK, done my periodic Goon Show editing.

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Merlin83b:

pouet: No, but looks good!

[13:09:11]

Merlin83b:

Beirdo: Haven't verified it myself, but a guy who was watching a programme I sucked out of nuv using nuv2avi (already transcoded to DivX inside MythTV) said the sound sync did that annoying get worse as the show goes on thing.

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Merlin83b:

Beirdo: Heard of anything like that? Any obvious thing I could be doing wrong?

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Beirdo:

perfectly possible

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quicksilver:

Juski: they call themselves 'A/V receivers' right? anything which is badged as a plain old amplifier won't have digital in?

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Beirdo:

I can't remember it doing that to me, but if there are dropped audio or video packets in the capture, I'd expect something like that to happen

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quicksilver:

Beirdo: He's fallen in the water!

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Beirdo:

:)

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Beirdo:

got me I think 48 shows now

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quicksilver:

xm nice

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Beirdo:

sorry, 45

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Beirdo:

BBC7 plays them weekly as does ABC RN

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quicksilver:

is there an 'easy way' to export stuff I recorded as DAB-radio to mp3 or ogg?

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Beirdo:

and through the magic of streaming audio, I'm in both the UK and Australia to record them :)

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Beirdo:

hmmmm, will mplayer play it

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Beirdo:

? even

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quicksilver:

hmm. How do you decide which parts of you to put in the UK and which parts in australia? and don't the bits in between get stretched?

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quicksilver:

I think so

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quicksilver:

erm

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quicksilver:

DVB-radio I meantm, obviously

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quicksilver:

since this is a mythtv channel :)

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Beirdo:

if mplayer will play it, you can tell mplayer to output to a wave file, then re-encode the wave file to whatever you want

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Merlin83b:

quicksilver: Juski made an MP3 exporty doodah I think.

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Merlin83b:

Beirdo: Any easy fix for that?

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Beirdo:

that's the general gist of how I capture streaming audio

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pouet:

Beirdo here is the X modelines http://www.sput.nl/hardware/tv-x.html if you are interested

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** quicksilver googles 'juski mp3 doodah' **

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Beirdo:

Merlin83b, not that I know of, no

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Juski:

quicksilver: it's in trac somewhere

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Beirdo:

Merlin83b, other than re-encoding the video/audio completely (ick!)

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pouet:

I wonder why they did composite output instead of real scart RGB outputs from the video cards

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Juski:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/2233

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Merlin83b:

Beirdo: Not sure if it provides any useful info, but pre nuv2avi. playing the nuv in FE works fine and stays in sync.

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Merlin83b:

pouet: Because there's no SCART connector on most video cards :)

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Beirdo:

one of these days I'll have the time to look at the code of nuv2avi again.

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Merlin83b:

Heh.

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Beirdo:

:) Too busy with everything lately...

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Juski:

one of these days.. Gadget!

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Beirdo:

which reminds me, need to go start a load of laundry

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dorel__:

Juski: a --purge is probably a must right?

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Juski:

started work on a new thing today... icon grabber for uk users :)

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Beirdo:

quicksilver, www.thegoonshow.net is a wonderful site for tagging my shows with accurate data :)

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Juski:

dorel__: no idea

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Juski:

well it sure beats working

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quicksilver:

Juski: awesome thanks

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pouet:

so actually most of you are using SVHS or a DVI monitor ?

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pouet:

so basically even MCE have the same problems about video output

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Merlin83b:

pouet: SVideo is not SVHS...

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kslater:

I use SVideo output to an HD capable set – 800 x 600. I'd like to see what VGA -> some converter -> some better input would look like

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Merlin83b:

kslater: Use a proper resolution – you'll be amazed at the difference :)

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pouet:

Merlin83b you already did a mod ?

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Merlin83b:

pouet: Not sure what you mean. I use the S-Video out socket on my MythTV box to connect to the S-Video in on my TV. S-Video and SVHS are different things.

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pouet:

Merlin83b on video card it's SVHS or SVIDEO ?

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Merlin83b:

S-Video.

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pouet:

kslater on an HD capable set you don't use DVI ?

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Merlin83b:

pouet: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S-video not http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S-VHS

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pouet:

any experience on cable quality ? I use the s-video cable brought with the radeon9600pro

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JohnnyM:

Does anyone run a backend with multiple PCI/USB DVB-S cards where one of the DVB-S cards has a CI/CAM valid card for x number of channels... if so do you have all cards pointed to the same source (i.e. mythconverge.videosource.sourceid) or different source encrypted vs. unencrypted channels?

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Merlin83b:

No idea, mine works and I'm generally happy with it :)

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xzcvczx:

is anyone using mythbrowser-0.20?

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Merlin83b:

I may have a go at that VGA-SCART hack at some point though. Component is much better.

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scottder:

Hey all, I am seeing a really off behavior on my mythtv box....all sound is working, except for playback of recrodings and live TV

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scottder:

did the cat /dev/video thing and watched the result mpg on another PC with no problem

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scottder:

had sound

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JohnnyM:

scottder: have you checked alsaconf or alsamixer settings? what about your sound settings in myth settings?

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JohnnyM:

and of course your .asoundrc or /etc/asound.conf

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scottder:

Yeah, I hadn't changed those...

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scottder:

and sound is working fine in MythMusic too

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JohnnyM:

what is our your sound device in myth fontend settings? AC3/DTS passthrough enabled?

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scottder:

Yes I be;ieve I have those enabled

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JohnnyM:

and the passthrough device name in that same screen?

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JohnnyM:

Default/SPDIF etc

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scottder:

Yes...

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JohnnyM:

and what is your actual phsical output device? Stereo? Digital/SPDIF/IEC?

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scottder:

SPDIF

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JohnnyM:

The reason I am asking is this... that settings page controls livetv and recording playback sound settings

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JohnnyM:

Myth Music makes use of the OS's default sound settings

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scottder:

Ahhh ok well that explainds that....

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Juski:

quicksilver: notice stuarta's warning about the ffmpeg command.. the script will need some tweaking

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JohnnyM:

I had the same problem you were having a while back and the solution was to make sure my /etc/asound.conf was correct for default device

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JohnnyM:

i..e if you have AC3/DTS Passthough enabled and your Passthrough Device is wrong (i.e. by defintion of asound) then sound is going nowhere

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scottder:

Ahh I just fixed that to default, and now it works...

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scottder:

Thanks JohnnyM :)

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JohnnyM:

awesome, no prob

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quicksilver:

Juski: yeah I bookmarked the page to grok properly later. But I've had to modify ffmpeg lines in the past to burn a DVD when versions got mixed up

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quicksilver:

Juski: stupid ffmpeg commandline inconsistencies

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ivor:

quicksilver: you think the commandline's bad.... you should try writing an app that uses the lib!

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quicksilver:

thanks but no thanks :)

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scottder:

now try it blindfolded! :)

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dorel__:

when the backend and frontend on different machines is it still functioning transparent to the user?

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dorel__:

meaning, i will still be able to watch my videos, listen to music?

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Zider:

yes, provided the frontendis configuredto do that.. ;)

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dorel__:

well im wondering how does it pass the stream from the backend to the frontend...

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Juski:

provided the frontend mounts the network share of the videos, music & gallery

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dorel__:

ahh i see

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Juski:

it doesn't stream music, video or pictures. only tv recordings

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Juski:

music, video & picture files are treated as if they're local

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dorel__:

so tv recordings are streamed, for the rest i need to mount the remote drive with nfs or something?

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Juski:

yup

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dorel__:

ahh ok

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dorel__:

that makes sense now

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Juski:

and mount them to the same location on all frontends

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Juski:

mythvideo's file locations are not stored on a per-frontend basis

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Juski:

nor are mythgallery AFAIK

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dorel__:

do i need to mount them to the exact same location they are in the backend server?

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Juski:

yes

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dorel__:

alright.

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Juski:

the same place on all machines

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BULLE:

Juski: any idea why tv recordings are streamed, but not videos music and gallery ? it just seems simpler to me to rely on network exportable fs for all stuff ?

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BULLE:

or, stream everything

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dorel__:

well ill get mythtv running without crashing first, then ill go play with client/server stuff :P

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Juski:

BULLE: any idea? of course. it just doesn't do the others because the rest are just 'dumb' file browsers

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Juski:

in essence it doesn't stream anything but recordings because that's not how it was designed

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dorel__:

ok mythtv compiling is done, im going forward with mythplugins

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Juski:

dorel__: install mythtv first

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Juski:

i.e. make install

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dorel__:

Juski: yep, done that. im now installing some libraries that the mythplugins package requires

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Scopeuk_:

hi all

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** Scopeuk_ is hapy hes surrounded by new batteries **

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Juski:

hey hey scopeuk

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Juski:

explosion risk?

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Scopeuk_:

the charging ones maby

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Scopeuk_:

got 6 hooked up atm charging

[14:33:29]

dorel__:

Juski: im still getting "Disabling MythBrowser due to missing KDE development packages." which package am i missing?

[14:33:32]

Scopeuk_:

out of 24

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Juski:

libkde-dev ?

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Juski:

perl grep is silly

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Juski:

@results=grep {/'$xmltvid'/} @data;

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dorel__:

i sure hope you're right, im installing kdelibs4-dev

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Juski:

is returning a number

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Juski:

not a line from @data

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dorel__:

maybe its a pointer to the array?

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dorel__:

@ are arrays

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Pryon:

Juski: you get the number of matches if you evaluate the return of grep in a scalar context

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quicksilver:

but that's a list context :P

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Pryon:

How is he evaluating 'results', though?

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Pryon:

printing, rather

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quicksilver:

Juski: your code works perfectly for me

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quicksilver:

Juski: @results contains precisely those lines from @data of the form '$xmltvid'

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dorel__:

well thats odd, that library i just installed doesnt help either

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fryfrog:

dorel__: sorry, I lost my internet floppy disk for a while :(

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dorel__:

fryfrog: :)

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Juski:

quicksilver: so what I'm doing wrong then is print "@results ";

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Juski:

got it!

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Juski:

or as perl itself suggested.. print $results[0]. " ";

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Juski:

screw doing the book exercises.. learning as I go here ;-) thanks!

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scopeuk:

argh so it does handle arrys like java

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quicksilver:

print join(',',@results)

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quicksilver:

it doesn't handle arrays much like java to be honest

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Juski:

quicksilver: I'm only expecting one result.. that's the key

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quicksilver:

then your approach is fine :)

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Juski:

I'd only take the 1st result anyway

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quicksilver:

all the results will look the same anyhow

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quicksilver:

since your pattern is constant

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Juski:

no need to do while @results .. (if I could even do that)

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quicksilver:

the similarity with java stops after the []

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quicksilver:

i would say

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dorel__:

ok now its compiling

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scopeuk:

quicksilver yeh

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scopeuk:

im not that great with java ive been codign in it 3 weeks

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scopeuk:

and not much at that

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quicksilver:

I guess I have some 11 years on you there then

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scopeuk:

still very much learnign the basic lanaguage

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scopeuk:

although ive got an assed lab next week

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scopeuk:

worth 25% of the module grade

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scopeuk:

scarilly

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quicksilver:

good luck with that then

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scopeuk:

yeh

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quicksilver:

assessement are much harder in universities up north. It's so fakking cold you can't concentrate.

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scopeuk:

on the plus side apparently its very much liek what were doign in this weeks lab so i shall jsut put in the hours practicing that

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scopeuk:

quicksilver im in sheffield

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scopeuk:

as you can probably tell from my host

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quicksilver:

indeed

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quicksilver:

that motivated my comment about up north

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scopeuk:

figured as much

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quicksilver:

at least, sheffield is up north from my totally london-centric view of the world

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scopeuk:

although only temperature related problem so far is that my room is to damn hot

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scopeuk:

even with the window fulyl open and the heating off

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scopeuk:

though winter is comming so shal be diging out my thermal underware

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scopeuk:

now if only we could deal wit hthe russionmy life whould be easy

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seth|laptop:

is it possible to have lirc execue a command, like play the mythtv intro mpg, and then jump to live tv ?

[15:03:23]

seth|laptop:

i would like to have the intro play, on all of my "jump points" like go to live tv, play a dvd, go to video collection, etc

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scopeuk:

why may i enquire?

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seth|laptop:

to mkae it look cool, to see if it could be done. Like if I hit the live tv button now, it goes there. why not have the mythtv splash screen fire off first, and then jump

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scopeuk:

fair enough

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seth|laptop:

ack, issues with typing today, appologies

[15:05:24]

scopeuk:

could yousetup the falsh screen asa jumpoint?

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seth|laptop:

possibly, I was thinking more of having the button fire off a script, .vs just the "!" like exec mplayer -fs mythsplash.mpg – sleep 1 !

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quicksilver:

I'm not sure how lirc works, afaik it just works in 'pretend to be a keyboard mode' in mythtv

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quicksilver:

I don't know if you can combine 'pretend to be a keyboard' with 'launch other apps'

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seth|laptop:

i was playing around with it last night, and the wife was sitting therem, and she said "Why can't that happen everytime you go to Live TV" and I said, I don't know, but it should be possible

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quicksilver:

and if you have two apps trying to be fullscreen at once I don't know who wins

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seth|laptop:

yeah

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scopeuk:

well id think you could exectue the video then have the script emulate a keypress

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seth|laptop:

that would need to have some kind of sleep statement

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scopeuk:

could you jump directly to the video in myth video then jump to where your spose to be going?

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quicksilver:

in principle anything is possible

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quicksilver:

in practice I don't know what lirc in fact does

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** scopeuk knows nothing about lirc **

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Juski:

hmm this is gonna be interesting. I need a regex to split a filename out of a url which has a variable length & possibly different extensions

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seth|laptop:

well when I press the TV button on my ATI remote wonder, it sends the "!" which I have mapped to "jump to live tv" I guess I was wondering if it could instead, fire off like a "myth-live" script, in which the last command issued is "send !"

[15:11:39]

Juski:

actually, going home is a pretty good idea right about now

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Juski:

ttfn

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seth|laptop:

I know people who have their mythfrontends restart, at the press of a button on the remote, was just wondering if using the same instance, ending with a command to actually send the "!"

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seth|laptop:

l8tr

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seth|laptop:

I have it now, that when I restart my frontend, it plays the mythtv splash, and then executes the 'mythfrontend' command, perhaps there is a way to do it when changing modes in mythtv, I guess I will do some research

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seth|laptop:

I guess first I would need to figure out the command to "send a keyoress"

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seth|laptop:

keypress even

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seth|laptop:

hmmm 'sendevent !'

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dorel__:

Juski: after the svn compiling i'm receiving mythtv-setup: error while loading shared libraries: libmythtv-0.20.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory

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Anduin:

dorel__: ldconfig

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Erroneous:

anyone know what channel.serviceid refers to in the mythconverg database?

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dorel__:

no im still getting that error

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dorel__:

i have that file in /usr/local/lib/l

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Anduin:

dorel__: then the path it is in isn't being searched, or it isn't there.

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dorel__:

Anduin: maybe an env variable that im missing?

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Anduin:

dorel__: You likely need to add /usr/local/lib to /etd/ld.so.conf, then rerun ldconfig

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dorel__:

right, thanks.

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dorel__:

will i find init scripts for debian in the svn?

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xzcvczx:

anyone know why my osd has gone black and white while watching tv full screen?

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ivor:

xzcvczx: have you turned on xvmc perchance?

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xzcvczx:

ahhh, well i dont think its working anyway so i may as well just turn it off

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xzcvczx:

cheers

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ivor:

er, if your osd has gone grey then is is working! what's the problem?

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xzcvczx:

why do i want a grey osd?

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ivor:

?

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xzcvczx:

well why does the osd go grey with xvmc?

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BULLE:

xzcvczx: hardware limitation afaik

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ivor:

because of the way the osd code has been written.

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ivor:

my question was in what way is xvmc not working for you.

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xzcvczx:

because it barely lowered the cpu usage at all

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xzcvczx:

crap that didnt fix the mythbrowser crashing though (thought id try)

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brad_mssw:

yeah, xvmc never worked right for me .... lower CPU consumption using raw CPU than XVMC on my Nvidia 6600 w/binary drivers at least

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brad_mssw:

and the OSD is prettier ;)

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xzcvczx:

well it makes teletext real crap with xvmc

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xzcvczx:

mythbrowser: via_context.c:246: calculate_buffer_parameters: Assertion `fb->Attachment[BUFFER_BACK_LEFT].Renderbuffer' failed. <--- would that error by myth related or mesa/dri/driver related?

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ivor:

xzcvczx: what hardware are you running on?

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xzcvczx:

ivor: mini-itx sp13000, unichrome pro, hauppauge pvr150

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ivor:

in that case if turning on xvmc didn't make a difference... something is horribly wrong.

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xzcvczx:

well i guess i should say it doesnt make a big enough difference to make it worth turning it on for me.... my system copes happily

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** xzcvczx throws rocks at infomercials **

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seth|laptop:

actually with myth .20 I have found ffmpeg and bob x2 de-interlace work better for me than XvMC. I have on board nvidia 6100 and AMD64 3200+

[16:05:14]

seth|laptop:

which is quite odd

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seth|laptop:

but that is only on HD content, SD, it just works no matter what, heh

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xzcvczx:

why are htpc cases so darn expensive :S

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seth|laptop:

mine was only $100

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seth|laptop:

http://www.nmediapc.com/htpc200.htm I hasve the

[16:07:42]

seth|laptop:

er have the black one

[16:07:46]

xzcvczx:

yeah well in this country they take them double the price after what it cost them bump on about $100 just for good measure selling them at ridiculous prices

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seth|laptop:

anyone here using mythwelcome successfully?

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netrix:

should i be concerned about these errors in my mythbackend.log: RingBuf(/path/to/file/1009_20061017121131.mpg): Invalid file (fd 20) when opening

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Juski:

re

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netrix:

also this: AutoExpire: ERROR when trying to autoexpire file: /path/to/file/1010_20061015103208.mpg. File doesn't exist. Database metada

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Juski:

sorted out that regex in my head driving home. was easier than I thought :)

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ivor:

home! 17.15! blimey.

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seth|laptop:

takes me 35 minutes to get home, and today, if the rain persists, it may take 45 to anhour

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scopeuk:

wow unlucky

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scopeuk:

atm im less than 5 mins walk from where i have my lectures

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xzcvczx:

yay its 5:15am wednesday :S

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scopeuk:

its tuesday isent it?

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** scopeuk checks his calander and breaths a sigh of relife **

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seth|laptop:

here it is Tuesday October 17th, 2006 12:19 PM EST

[16:20:02]

seth|laptop:

almost lunch time

[16:20:11]

xzcvczx:

NZST here

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scopeuk:

5:20 pm here almost dinner time

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** seth|laptop wishes it was 5:20, would almost be home, hehe **

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scopeuk:

xzcvczx cmt + 12?

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scopeuk:

gmt*

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** seth|laptop looks at the globe to find New Zealand **

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xzcvczx:

13

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seth|laptop:

spelling*

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xzcvczx:

i think at the moment

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scopeuk:

hmm

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scopeuk:

yeh we might still be in "summer time" which is +1

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seth|laptop:

we are, for another 2 weeks

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xzcvczx:

well whats the time there

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xzcvczx:

scopeuk

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scopeuk:

5:20

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scopeuk:

pm

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xzcvczx:

then it is 12

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ivor:

5:22 here.

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ivor:

:)

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xzcvczx:

i am ahead of all of you

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scopeuk:

haha very funney gmt +0.02

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scopeuk:

xzcvczx figured that much

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xzcvczx:

i know stuff that happens 12 hrs before you find out

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seth|laptop:

hehe

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scopeuk:

as logn as we lall use local time

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seth|laptop:

we need Hiro, to stop time, so we can get over there, and see what happens, then come back to the US, and play the lottery

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scopeuk:

lol

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** scopeuk wodners if time travel is allits cracked up to be **

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Zider:

it's overrated.. takes too long.. :P

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Zider:

;)

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xzcvczx:

lol

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xzcvczx:

well we will need it once microsoft decides skynet is a good idea

[16:29:22]

Zider:

skypenet

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seth|laptop:

would like to try skype o mythphone someday

[16:29:40]

Zider:

Arnold Schwarenegger in The Governator

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seth|laptop:

hehe

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Juski:

almost finished my uk icon grabber

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seth|laptop:

"I'll Be Back.....In election year 2007"

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xzcvczx:

seth|laptop: i have been trying to find a linux sip to skype gateway but no luck yet

[16:30:28]

xzcvczx:

can only find windows ones

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** seth|laptop shakes fist at microsoft **

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Zider:

I wonder what would happen if Arnie were the president of the USA..

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Zider:

good or bad?

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xzcvczx:

Zider: bad

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Zider:

;)

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xzcvczx:

Zider: the amount of uneeded destruction it terminator shows that..... like in all usa movies it doesnt matter how many people die as long as the hero lives

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Zider:

hehe

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xzcvczx:

and with him being president of usa he has access to "THE BUTTON"

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Zider:

omfg :)

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Zider:

http://www.skynetusa.com/ – hmm, amusing or worrying? :P

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xzcvczx:

seth|laptop: why does your ip seem to be from a pensilvania supreme court?

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GreyFoxx:

xzcvczx: Maybe he works there ?

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Zider:

RIAA! ;)

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xzcvczx:

lol

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xzcvczx:

GreyFoxx: hmmm i thought he said he had gone home

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Zider:

maybe he has SSH access ;)

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GreyFoxx:

I'm at my house, but themachine I'm IRCing from is in another city :)

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seth|laptop:

because that is where I work

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xzcvczx:

lol

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seth|laptop:

I am a Unix admin here

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Zider:

see?

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Zider:

I rock!

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Zider:

female intuition ;D

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Zider:

or

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Zider:

male I mean

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Zider:

;)

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GreyFoxx:

I havent run IRC on my home machine to directly connect to irc in ~9 years :)

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xzcvczx:

seth|laptop: i swear she didnt tell me her age

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seth|laptop:

hehe

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xzcvczx:

seth|laptop: :P

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Zider:

I run IRC from my server..

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Zider:

..which is my WS..

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seth|laptop:

I am actually surprised the firewall guy allows connection to port 6667

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xzcvczx:

seth|laptop: although sex is decriminalised for 12 here now

[16:39:57]

Zider:

..at home..

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Zider:

;D

[16:40:39]

Juski:

holy crap.. this is actually working!

[16:40:50]

seth|laptop:

well If I keep a tunnel open to my house from here for too long, the firewall guy e-mails me, and barks at me

[16:40:51]

** xzcvczx is watching the most accurate movie for physics ever "THE CORE" **

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xzcvczx:

lol

[16:41:03]

seth|laptop:

so i use Gaim, on solaris 10

[16:41:16]

Zider:

xzcvczx: hah, the biggest laugh in 20 yars imo :D

[16:41:48]

xzcvczx:

Zider: no its completely accurate i found some unobtanium the other day

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xzcvczx:

:P

[16:41:59]

Zider:

seth|laptop: yeah, I get barked at gor digging tunnels to my friends even :/

[16:42:06]

Zider:

xzcvczx: ;D

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xzcvczx:

Zider: you normally would in prison

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xzcvczx:

:P

[16:43:56]

Zider:

xzcvczx: dig tunnels or get barked at?

[16:44:37]

xzcvczx:

get barked at for digging tunnels anywhere including to friends

[16:44:55]

Zider:

ah, yes

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** scopeuk wodners when he is gonan get an angry phone call from the firewall guys **

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seth|laptop:

when I worked for Sun Microsystems, I kept a tunnel open all week long, they never had a problem with it. I think our guy is just paranoid

[16:45:56]

xzcvczx:

im not really surprised at a supreme court

[16:46:17]

seth|laptop:

well we do have access to a lot of "eyesd only" data

[16:46:19]

xzcvczx:

scopeuk: who do you work for?

[16:46:28]

seth|laptop:

but I'm not even on that subnet

[16:46:39]

scopeuk:

i dont unfurtunately my residential conenction from my flat goes through the universities network

[16:46:53]

xzcvczx:

oh

[16:48:22]

xzcvczx:

yay from october this month we go from 2mbps/128kbps 10GB cap internet per month for $49.95 to ~8mbps/128kbps unlimited cap per month for $49.95

[16:48:29]

xzcvczx:

26th of this month*

[16:48:35]

Zider:

woo

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seth|laptop:

tahts cheap

[16:48:49]

seth|laptop:

er thats even

[16:48:58]

Zider:

I recently got upgraded from 4000/600 to 8000/600 for no extra cost :P

[16:49:47]

Zider:

costs me $60/month tho

[16:50:08]

xzcvczx:

well i start to think that this is happening because our one and only favourite telco wants to prove a point

[16:50:12]

** seth|laptop pays 39.95 for a weak 768 down 256 up **

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** seth|laptop live in the sticks, switching to direcway or Wild Blue **

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Zider:

I'll be getting 100/10 Mbit for $45 soonish tho ;D

[16:51:16]

** seth|laptop wants to move there ^ **

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xzcvczx:

sorry actually $33 USD for mine

[16:51:29]

xzcvczx:

what you expect in swede

[16:51:30]

seth|laptop:

or rather there ^

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xzcvczx:

sweden

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** xzcvczx curses new portage layout while compiling **

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Zider:

new portage layout? since when?

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** seth|laptop hasn't run 'emerge --sync' on his gaming machine in 6 months or better **

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** seth|laptop has been slacking with knoppmyth **

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dorel__:

hey thats cool

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** Zider syncs everyother day.. "just because" ;) **

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dorel__:

i havent seen that before, the crc ip network recorder card type

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dorel__:

what kind of streams does it receive?

[16:53:38]

Juski:

hrmmm... need a new query that only returns values that are not empty

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xzcvczx:

Zider: /var/tmp/portage/mythtv is now /var/tmp/portage/media-tv/mythtv

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GreyFoxx:

dorel__: It's nifty. Can record from multicast or unicast iptv streams

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xzcvczx:

which is damn annoying for a script i use to see how many files to go til a package is compiled

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** xzcvczx syncs when he feels like it **

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Zider:

like a progress meter for the compile?

[16:55:02]

dorel__:

GreyFoxx: so basically i can have it play a stream from vlc, right? :)

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xzcvczx:

a very crude rather inaccurate one but it gives you some indication of how long it'll take

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** seth|laptop has found it best not to watch an emerge, just walk away, and come back in a day or to, hehe j/k **

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xzcvczx:

can be rather hypnotic watching an emerge i must say

[16:56:06]

GreyFoxx:

dorel__: Yup

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dorel__:

GreyFoxx: are we talking about rstp udp streams?

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Zider:

xzcvczx: it goes too fastfor me to be hypnotic :/

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GreyFoxx:

yup

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dorel__:

well thats cool

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dorel__:

a great add i must say

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** xzcvczx has to get another itx purely for distcc **

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GreyFoxx:

dorel__: I've used to following to broadcast stuff from other machines with vlc to my main backend

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GreyFoxx:

vlc dvdsimple:///dev/dvd ":sout=#duplicate{dst=std{access=udp,mux=ts,dst=192.168.0.199:1234}}"

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GreyFoxx:

vlc 2524_20051231180000.mpg ":sout=#duplicate{dst=std{access=udp,mux=ts,dst=192.168.0.10:1234}}"

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GreyFoxx:

change the dst to a multicast address if you want it to be seen by everything

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** seth|laptop just picked up a dual xenon server over the weekend from a local internet company yard sale, now I have a box that does my distcc, and commflagging/transcoding for me **

[16:58:49]

** seth|laptop it was only $45 **

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xzcvczx:

seth|laptop: how much did that cost you

[16:58:56]

xzcvczx:

bastad

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xzcvczx:

i will buy it off you :P

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Juski:

omfg this script is messy now

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seth|laptop:

it is only a dual 1GHz box, 4 20GB scsi drives

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dorel__:

the only problem is that mythfrontend freezes when im on watch-tv mode, no idea why

[16:59:31]

Juski:

needs subroutines :(

[16:59:43]

xzcvczx:

seth|laptop: i use to have a dual 2400+

[16:59:49]

xzcvczx:

but i sold it :(

[16:59:57]

seth|laptop:

that would have been sweet

[17:00:03]

xzcvczx:

and it only cost me $50 USD

[17:00:15]

seth|laptop:

this is my first dual cpu box, never played with SMP before

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Juski:

anyone any ideas why this query doesn't work in mysql4.x ? SELECT name WHERE name NOT LIKE "" OR name NOT NULL

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xzcvczx:

does transcode support smp?

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seth|laptop:

of that i cannot be sure

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Juski:

looks like NOT NULL isn't supported

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Zider:

my first SMP system was a dual P3 450MHz

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Zider:

on a crappy ABit mobo tho, so it didn't live for long

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xzcvczx:

lol

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seth|laptop:

I haven't really watched it yet, I know that to import a Firelfy DVD, and compress to 1GB on my AMD64 3200+ it took 2.5hrs on this box on Sunday, another episode disc only took 1hr and 15 minutes, so it must help somewhat

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xzcvczx:

mine takes about 16hrs to encode a movie dvd :S

[17:02:41]

Juski:

ahhh select xmltvid from channel where xmltvid != NULL or xmltvid NOT like "";

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seth|laptop:

well thjis was at "good" quality, and encoding ac3 audio

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xzcvczx:

if only the hardware mpeg4 encoder worked properly

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seth|laptop:

I thought it did trather well

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seth|laptop:

and knoppmyth enables the SMP kernel by default, as well as distcc

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xzcvczx:

seth|laptop: actually transcode does support smp dont know what i was smoking

[17:03:58]

seth|laptop:

even better

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seth|laptop:

but the thing runs hot, before back in the office, I had my sempron 300+ slave, a Sun Ultra2, a Sun Ultra10, and a sparcstorage array, and it was about 70 degrees Farenheit in there, since I have added the new box, it raised the room temp to 74 degrees

[17:06:19]

seth|laptop:

good though as winter quickly approacheth

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Juski:

that new query stooped all the blank results.. woot

[17:07:20]

xzcvczx:

and 70/74 degress in the logical temperature measurment is approx?

[17:07:36]

seth|laptop:

you mean in clecius

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seth|laptop:

hmm

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xzcvczx:

yes

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xzcvczx:

winter is quickly goeth away here

[17:08:16]

seth|laptop:

23.3 celcius

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xzcvczx:

lol

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seth|laptop:

or rather 21.1 to 23.3 just by adding another server

[17:09:41]

xzcvczx:

can someone wire me $1.50 :S im poor

[17:09:58]

seth|laptop:

but now I can open the office door, and it heats the back half of my houe, hehe

[17:09:59]

seth|laptop:

:-)

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seth|laptop:

house even

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tank-man:

seth|laptop, you using mythtv's built in functions to import dvds ?

[17:10:18]

xzcvczx:

hmmmm well thats why you should buy a computer based on when you will use it.... if in summer buy intel if in winter buy amd

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seth|laptop:

yes tank-man

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seth|laptop:

well this is the firsat intel box I have ever had, I have always had AMD and SUN SPARC

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xzcvczx:

seth|laptop: when i try to rip dvds that way and change to good it rips them as isos

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xzcvczx:

seth|laptop: well for episode dvds anyway

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seth|laptop:

very odd, I just set it as good there in the menu, and it comes out as an avi

[17:11:30]

seth|laptop:

.avi

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seth|laptop:

are you sure you are not accidentally setting it back to .iso, before you press "0"

[17:12:33]

seth|laptop:

I have done this

[17:12:46]

seth|laptop:

and caught it and immedialtely pressed "9"

[17:13:03]

seth|laptop:

my remote some tmes repeats itself

[17:13:19]

seth|laptop:

not since I have changed the repeat vvalues, but intially

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xzcvczx:

so do you rip all the different episodes to different avis?

[17:13:35]

tank-man:

edit your lirc config to ignore repeated key presses

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seth|laptop:

xzcvczx : yes, I get the artwork from imdb, then manually add a title "episode name" after

[17:14:30]

seth|laptop:

tank-man, how is that done exactly

[17:14:41]

** seth|laptop lirc-fu is weak **

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tank-man:

just take a look at the file, it might be self explanitory

[17:15:09]

xzcvczx:

>:|

[17:15:10]

seth|laptop:

ok

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tank-man:

~/.lircrc

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xzcvczx:

seth|laptop: what version of myth are you using?

[17:15:32]

seth|laptop:

this is in ~/ or ~/.mythtv

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tank-man:

should be same file/linked to each other

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seth|laptop:

xzcvzx : .20 from the tarballs a

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seth|laptop:

@ mythv.org

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seth|laptop:

igues .20a

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seth|laptop:

ok

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seth|laptop:

ill check that tonight tank-man

[17:16:31]

xzcvczx:

when you are doing a good copy should it say "ISO copy of blah" while its ripping from the dvd?

[17:16:46]

seth|laptop:

no, mine says "good copy"

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xzcvczx:

hmmmm

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xzcvczx:

well it works fine on one of my movie dvds but its not wanting to work on the episode dvd

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seth|laptop:

I may be mistaken, I think it does say iso copy, while its copying the file to /tmp, and then it says"transcode is thinking"

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seth|laptop:

you are right

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** seth|laptop hard to rememebr **

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xzcvczx:

nah mine when it works in good just says Transcode SAW

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Juski:

right now all I need to do is insert the icon locations into the db

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** xzcvczx starts backing up his dvd collection onto his computer as requires too much effort to get up to put a dvd in all the time **

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seth|laptop:

hehe, thats why I do it. that and firelfy is an entire season, if I wish to marathion it, thats alot of trip across the room to change out dvds

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** Pryon notes that ivtvdriver.org is redoing their web server **

[17:21:02]

xzcvczx:

well i am trying to rip stargate

[17:21:08]

seth|laptop:

and then I can watch them from any of my frontends, while the wife watches "lifetime" ack

[17:21:22]

xzcvczx:

then i can just set 9 seasons of stargate to run one after the other and have a rather long marathon

[17:21:45]

** seth|laptop wants the stargate atlantis season dvd's **

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** seth|laptop will put on wid]sh list along with an Harmony 880 remote **

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xzcvczx:

seth|laptop: lol i have season 1 and half of season 2 on my box

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Zider:

I have all of sg1 and atlantis.. asdivx tho..

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seth|laptop:

I got into mythtv to late to catch the last season, but I got this years

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** xzcvczx should take his computer down to uni and commandere a computer lab down there to transcode my dvd collection for me **

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Juski:

jesus lyngsat are gonna hate me

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xzcvczx:

Zider: i prefer divX now that i have started using mythtv

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** seth|laptop wants to use the Sun N1 grid to transcode his dvd's, but doesn't think the liscense we have here at work, would allow him to at home. You could transcode an entire season in like an hour on that, hehe **

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Zider:

xzcvczx: I'm slowly moving from divx/xvid to dvd

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** Pryon wonders if it's a coincidence that when he inserts a blank DVD into the drive while card0 is recording that ivtv starts soiling itself (for that card only) **

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Zider:

at least for movies

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xzcvczx:

Zider: why?

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Zider:

xzcvczx: selectable subtitles and audio tracks

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** scopeuk wonders if they whould let him borrow the supercomptuer with grid access **

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xzcvczx:

i use to love dvds when i only had one laptop which is only a 667 and no desktop but now i have a desktop

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** scopeuk figures out its a stupid question **

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xzcvczx:

Zider: matroska?

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Zider:

xzcvczx: say what?

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xzcvczx:

Zider: and how many languages do you know

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Zider:

xzcvczx: I know 2.. and a half.. ;)

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xzcvczx:

Zider: google can explain better than i can

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Zider:

bah

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seth|laptop:

Matroska, the extensible open standard Audio/Video container

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Zider:

oh that

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opello:

or ogg's

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xzcvczx:

yeah sounds right

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Zider:

doesn't help if nothing is released in that format

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Juski:

damn you EIT users! you broke my script already

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** Juski cries **

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scopeuk:

lol

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** seth|laptop could never get EIT to work, always hangs the setup program **

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** seth|laptop says it wasn't me! **

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seth|laptop:

hehe

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Juski:

that'll teach me for using xmltvids in an icon grabber script to determine the channel

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Zider:

xzcvczx: why did you ask how many languages I knoe?

[17:28:46]

Zider:

w

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scopeuk:

Juski you dident expect it to be nice to you did you

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scopeuk:

silly Juski

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Juski:

hmmm needs to be more clever on the regex

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Juski:

I think I might just pillage the original lyngsat downloader script

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xzcvczx:

Zider: see why you have use for multiple audio

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** scopeuk wodners if he should have spent the extra 10 quid and got a 30 mins charger for his batteries **

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Zider:

xzcvczx: 5.1 or 2.0

[17:29:39]

Zider:

xzcvczx: or japanese original language vs english dubbed

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xzcvczx:

haha its rather funny to see that when aussie does really bad at a sport they just quit the sport and dont return

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Juski:

ah well. I know some more PERL I'll forget in 5 minutes

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Pryon:

what would be the point of continuing if one is "really bad"?

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xzcvczx:

Pryon: well just dont make a boat that breaks in half..... its simple

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Pryon:

That one is easily solved if you do it often enoug :-)

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Pryon:

Bleh. Constant DMA problems. Is it really better with non-VIA mobos?

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xzcvczx:

oh well hopefully we get the americas cup back next year we seem to be beating everyone

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xzcvczx:

Pryon: i dont have any dma problems

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Pryon:

do you have a VIA mobo?

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Pryon:

and how many tuner cards do you have?

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psofa:

i do and the video is choppy

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psofa:

especially with ivtv

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Pryon:

Okay, I suppose I'll build a new kernel sans ACPI

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xzcvczx:

Pryon: mini-itx so yes via but only one tuner

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psofa:

soon ill get rid of this crap

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psofa:

my via beats all in crapiness.it has the famous 686b bug :D

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xzcvczx:

what bugs that?

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psofa:

when connecting a sound blaster

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psofa:

it would hang

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xzcvczx:

oh lol

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psofa:

really often

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psofa:

plus you could hear sound jerks

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xzcvczx:

rather specific company hating it seems there

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mwtb:

Hello, I have just noticed that my myth-tv box appears to be reluctant to use one of my video sources for recording, as in it reports a conflict when only one source is busy on channels that are shared. Did something change in the way 20 decides that channels are equivalent?

[17:41:07]

xzcvczx:

yay ranging between 10 and 15 hrs to transcode one dvd :S

[17:41:48]

seth|laptop:

ack, I would give up

[17:41:49]

seth|laptop:

hehe

[17:41:59]

seth|laptop:

I thought 3 hrs was bad

[17:43:08]

seth|laptop:

can you even watch tv on that box, whilest transcoding

[17:43:36]

xzcvczx:

i think so

[17:43:53]

xzcvczx:

yup perfectly

[17:44:03]

xzcvczx:

ahhhhhh nooooooooooooo barney is on

[17:44:03]

seth|laptop:

well at least there is that

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xzcvczx:

how could you make me turn on tv right ow

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xzcvczx:

and compiling at the same time

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xzcvczx:

so tv+compiling+transcoding

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seth|laptop:

well i know while watching an HD show on my frontend and transcoding dvd, occasionally my image would pause for a split second ,on an amd64 3200+, but now that I have added the xenon slave, I let it do all the work.

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xzcvczx:

does transcode use ~100% cpu on your box or ???

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seth|laptop:

actually I have 2 slaves, the sempron 3000+ and the dual xenon 1GHz, but I only have a dvd drive on the xenon

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seth|laptop:

well no, but hd playback live or recorded, uses about 65% of my cpu

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seth|laptop:

which probably isn't the best, but now all it has to do is record, and watch hd, and if I want watch the dish from the slave's card

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xzcvczx:

so mythtv will use all the mythbackends to transcode simultaneously or is it 1 avi per host?

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seth|laptop:

now the dish content only uses about 17% of my cpu, I am not sure if that is beause the tuner card is on another box, or if sd content just isn't that tasking, I never had the pvr150 in my frontend, only 2 air2pc hd cards

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xzcvczx:

24hrs for transcoding

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seth|laptop:

well now, I have the new slave set to do all commflagging/transcoding, I suppose, I couls also allow the orignal slave to do it, I should try that when I get home, a good test

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xzcvczx:

with nice is -19 higher priotiry or is 19?

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GreyFoxx:

lower is higher priority

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xzcvczx:

oh yup

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Juski:

okay.. where does the lyngsat icon grabber live these days? anybody know?

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xzcvczx:

wow my desktops running warm considering that there is a desk fan blowing into it

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cipher_nemo:

kormoc: my MythTV is running smoothly thx to you and j-rod :) I gave him a lot of updates for his guide, so I just hope he can get around to them for others.

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Juski:

oh crap.. the lyngsat icon grabber is python based, and uses a built-in fuzzy matcher

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Juski:

would rather not use something that needs another PERL module

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kormoc:

cipher_nemo, nifty, glad to hear

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scopeuk:

Juski bloody typical?

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Juski:

scopeuk: yup

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Juski:

this isn't gonna happen

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Juski:

I can't use cpan for some unknown reason. everything I try to get _should_ be there but it's not on my local mirror

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Torg:

chose another mirror then

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Juski:

easy for you to say

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scopeuk:

try mirror.ac.uk

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scopeuk:

they mirror a whole boot load of other sites

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Torg:

easy for me to do too. I intentialy pick mirrors that are NOT close to me (theory is they will be asleep when I use them, henve geting better speeds)

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** scopeuk picked the recomened uk educationl high speed mirror only to find out his interent speed restrictions are still applied to it **

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Torg:

Juski do you do HDTV?

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xzcvczx:

does anyone know the dimensions of an atx mobo?

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Torg:

depends on form factor

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** Juski doesn't do HDTV. he's very cynical about it actually **

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kormoc:

xzcvczx, usually it's listed on the manufacturer's site

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Zider:

xzcvczx: atx is a quite flexible format ;)

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xzcvczx:

reckon you could get 2 itx mobos into a atx case?

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Zider:

I think it's just the locations of screw holes and the backplane stuff

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Zider:

xzcvczx: depends on the case :P

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xzcvczx:

hmmm true

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Torg:

Im trying to figure out if I should use XvMCNVIDIA over XvMC and loose teh VLD support

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kormoc:

some atx cased could hold 4 itx, if not 8 :)

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xzcvczx:

lol

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Juski:

Torg: I saw HDTV the other week. wasn't particularly impressed with $ky's HDTV offerring – which is all we can get officially in the UK right now

[18:29:56]

Torg:

yea well Sky sucks rocks :P

[18:30:18]

Torg:

btw so does our Dishnet and DTV, do dont feel too bad about it

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netw1z:

anyone here using Xmess?

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Torg:

in reality I think the real reason HDTV isnt so great on Sats is they use DVB-S where bcast is ATSC

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Juski:

Torg: in reality I think what's letting $ky down is too low a bitrate & mpeg4 encoding

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Torg:

but that still dosnt tell me if XvMCNVIDIA will give me any performance over the wrapper :)

[18:33:09]

Torg:

yes Juski its a factor of the encoding there using, it suffers from low bitrate worse then bcasts

[18:33:11]

Juski:

VLD is the via xvmc stuff isn't it?

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Torg:

there is a very technical paper on it and such I only understood about half of it

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Juski:

so you'll have to dump that & just use nvidia's xvmc

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Torg:

I dunno I thoguth I would ask someone who did it rather then suffer though hours of recompiles and testing :)

[18:34:22]

Juski:

xvmcvld is the via xvmc stuff – I'm pretty sure about that

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Torg:

I had to hack the configuration file tho as once it finds the wrapper it stopes looking for other ones

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Juski:

on ubuntu?

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Juski:

hahaha

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Torg:

debian

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Juski:

well, same diff

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Juski:

same crappy wrapper

[18:35:09]

Torg:

not exactlly the same :P

[18:35:21]

Juski:

actuallty it's just a bunch of symlinks to the real thing ya know

[18:35:23]

Torg:

I prefer not to run unstable boxes, but hey thats just me

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Juski:

hey no.. now distro dissing in here. takes hours for a distro war to stop round here

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Torg:

ok Im sorry, I already started one last time I was here :(

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** scopeuk readys the trout of punishment **

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Torg:

but stable vs unstable is what ubu actually CALLS it, its not like im making up words :)

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scopeuk:

you mena the diferent apt repositories debain and derivitieves use?

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Torg:

of course

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scopeuk:

in which case it aint a distro war its jsut a call bassed on your own level of confidence withthe system at hand

[18:38:12]

scopeuk:

just for the love of god dont try rooling from testing to stable

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Torg:

im not saying ubu is unstable, im saying it calls itslef unstable and rightly so

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Juski:

it does?

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Juski:

so wtf is breezy?

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scopeuk:

Juski they have an unstable repository for cutting edge packages

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Torg:

go look at sources.list and see what it asks for

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Juski:

they're way over cautious anyway

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Juski:

go check out mythtv 0.13 from ubuntu's repos

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scopeuk:

lol

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** scopeuk wonders weather he should turn his mp3 palyer down a bit **

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Torg:

I download .19, patch it and change it how I want, and run that :P

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tRSS:

hey everyone. I am new to myth tv and would like to play with it. I have been playing linux(apache, mysql, asterisk, etc.) for sometime, but I just want to understand the basic setup that would be required to use myth tv

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scopeuk:

tRSS cant beet the how too's for that

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Torg:

umm a box, one or more tuner cards, a video card and a tv :)

[18:40:20]

Torg:

you want more specific :)

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scopeuk:

take your distro of choice and google its name plus mythtv howto

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tRSS:

going thru them right now, but was hoping to get some quick answers, e.g. with remotes?

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Juski:

there are no quick answers

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Juski:

don't be lazy

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kormoc:

esp with remotes

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Torg:

ok what do you plan on watching, ie what is the input and output?

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Juski:

read the docs

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tRSS:

lol, understood!

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** scopeuk salutes the guy who understands before we have to resort to RTFM **

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tRSS:

Torg: I have a simple setup right now. I am using a digital satellite reciever with a couple of satellite dishes

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Torg:

what is the output?

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mwtb:

I have noticed that since upgrading to 0,20 my myth-tv box appears to be reluctant to use one of my video sources for recording, as in it reports a conflict when only one source is busy on channels that are shared. Did something change in the way 20 decides that channels are equivalent?

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tRSS:

Torg: a simple 29 inch TV, nothing hifi

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Torg:

then you dont need anything special

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Torg:

go get knoppmyth and it will do everyting for you, its rather simple in fact

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scopeuk:

knoppmyth is a nice way to get introduced with a minimum of effort

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Torg:

you could even run a frontend diskless with it

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Torg:

as for frontends there are many many ways to do it, even all in one hardware solutions

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scopeuk:

knoppmyth 0 --->> myth in 15 flat on supported hardware

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tRSS:

Torg: I was hoping to customize it my myth box later on to include asterisk, once I have it configured correctly

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scopeuk:

tRSS you plannign on building from source?

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** scopeuk reconsiders what he was gonan say **

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tRSS:

Torg: I am a bit confused about the backend and frontend. How are they different?

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** seth|laptop supports the knoppmyth decision, it is running all myth myth boxen, very easy to get up and running. (4 frontends, 2 slaves, and a mster) **

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Torg:

knopmyth is just debain preconfigured, you copuld install it, update it, do whatever you wanted to include installing any pbx you wanted

[18:44:10]

Torg:

backend records, frontend plays

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tRSS:

scopeuk: currently, just testing it with FC5 from Myth(TV)ology HowTo

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scopeuk:

k

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Torg:

you could be like seth tho and go balistic with your setup :)

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tRSS:

Torg: do they have to be separate machines?

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Torg:

oh yes, I have to

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** seth|laptop agrees, knoppmyth has spoiled me :-) **

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Torg:

I run dual ATSC tuners, and output HDTV at 720p and 1080i with AC3 sound

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tRSS:

Torg: I mean backend and frontend. Can't recording/playing be done from the same machine?

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** xzcvczx thinks that seth|laptop either earns too much money working in a supreme court or he doesnt spend enuff money socialising **

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scopeuk:

tRSS you can have both on one machine

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Torg:

runs a nice dual core P4 3Ghz nearly to max when I do too

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Torg:

like scopeuk said you dont need that much, your just doing SDTV

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tRSS:

scopeuk: would that hamper a P4 (possibly a dual-core intel) performance wise?

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scopeuk:

doubtful

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Torg:

as in I could do all of my TV on one box, without the dual core if I did SDTV and not HDTV

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scopeuk:

a 1ghz system should be able to do record + playback depending on tuners of course

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seth|laptop:

my frontend HD ATSC is both the front and master backend, then I have 1 slave that is also a frontend, and 2 frontend only machines,(laptop/xbox) and 1 slave that just does the dirty work commflagging/transcoding

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tRSS:

alright, sounds good

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Torg:

a P4 dual core would be overkill, expect maybe in transcoding or commflagging

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tRSS:

Torg; I meant the new intel dualcore processors

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tRSS:

Torg: sorry, i mean the core-duos

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Torg:

I run an AMD 1.3Ghz as backend with database and two tuners, the fe is a P4 dual core 3ghz with SPDIF passthough and a NVidia 6600 card

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seth|laptop:

xzcvczx: no I just get great deals on ebay, or yard sales, and then my electric is part of my rent, hehe.

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tRSS:

alright, thank you so much guys/gals. You guys should see more of me here in the coming future

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Torg:

model name : Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 3.06GHz

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** seth|laptop is poor **

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Torg:

liek that?

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Torg:

seth dosnt like paying for a heating bill, so he runs all those spaceheaters, err frontends :P

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xzcvczx:

Torg: lol

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xzcvczx:

yay 9hrs to go for transcode with all pids set to -20

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Torg:

only what I didnt tell you is I do it too, only with an ultra 5, sunblade 2000 and two more intel PCs :)

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** xzcvczx slaps Torg around a bit with a large trout **

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Torg:

transcoding is for the week :)

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tRSS:

I forgot the main question, what about the remotes? Do I have to buy some generic remotes to make them work with myth tv or would my satellite remotes be able to work with myth tv. sorry if this sounds stupid :)

[18:51:11]

Torg:

weak too :)

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xzcvczx:

well it takes a week anyway

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Torg:

I use a cordless keyboard for a remote

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Torg:

that and a cordless mouse, in fact I cant even rember where I put the remote I set up lircd for :P

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xzcvczx:

i used a program i made in java as the remote (so could use it from my laptop) before i got my ir remote working

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tRSS:

xzcvczx: this would be too hard for my brother to manage!

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Torg:

I was owndering about bluetooth removes, im just too lazy to go investigate

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xzcvczx:

tRSS: what would be too hard?

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tRSS:

playing around with java applets. my brother (my customer :)) would like to be able to use it in a simple manner!

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xzcvczx:

lol

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Torg:

my wife is a socail worker, if she can use myth your brother can too :P

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nandy_:

kormoc: you around?

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xzcvczx:

hmmmm would anyone here like to see my make the java app look pretty and make it downloadable ( pretty much just a much nicer interface to the telnet thing without havint to type in "key x")

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Torg:

sure, whats the url?

[18:55:46]

darrenp:

tRSS: I got myself a haupauge (sp?) tuner card and it came with a pretty decent PVR remote.

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xzcvczx:

Torg: well the ultimate test my mother is a lawyer i should see whether she can use it..... if so anyone short of being dead can

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kormoc:

nandy_, sure am

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xzcvczx:

darrenp: hauppauge :P

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nandy_:

kormoc: remember we talked about my Athlon XP 3500+ setup not needed a decoder? I have it setup and if i use deinterlacing im hitting 99% cpu on tv viewing without it im at like 40% — in either case it eats so many cycles the remote doesnt work hehe — any ideas what i boned up or will i need a 350 after all?

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tRSS:

darrenp: sounds good. Will do that myself! thanks for the advise

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Torg:

and I assure you my wife works with people, she hardly understnads computers. And she has an anti comptuer aura (no im not joking its really true).

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xzcvczx:

lol

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darrenp:

tRSS: I use irman receivers for my frontends and they work great. http://www.evation.com/irman/

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kormoc:

nandy_, what videocard?

[18:59:02]

Torg:

she often calls me to tell my myth is broken, the sound dosnt work. I ask he if she turnd on the surround sound decoder, then I hear a click and sound :)

[18:59:03]

nandy_:

nv 5200

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kormoc:

nandy_, did you try enabling XvMC?

[18:59:34]

butter:

Has anyone figured out how to get mythweather working correctly?....Or am I the only one having issues.

[18:59:50]

Torg:

other then it taking forever to get proper weather info you mean?

[19:00:24]

nandy_:

kormoc: hmm not sure ill have to look when i get home

[19:00:43]

butter:

I get weather data for the wrong day. For example, I'll get Monday's forecast for today's forecast.

[19:01:02]

Torg:

yes butter I have the some proble, your solution is to wait, it will catch up

[19:01:05]

xzcvczx:

Torg: lol my sister is worse she came back from usa for a few weeks with a surge protector from there(110v) procedded to plug it in here(240v) and rung me while i was at uni saying the tv and everything had stopped working.....

[19:01:26]

butter:

arg!

[19:01:47]

butter:

that's the only bit I don't have working the way I want it to...sigh

[19:02:01]

Torg:

I have a gig switch with no power supply from plugging it intoa 240v if you want. made a real nice pop when it went too :)

[19:02:23]

Torg:

damn electric converters :P

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xzcvczx:

Torg: haha

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xzcvczx:

Torg: the circuit breaker didnt go first?

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Torg:

nope

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xzcvczx:

crap,

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scopeuk:

circuitbreakers are usless ive eseen pure short circuits fail to trip em

[19:04:25]

scopeuk:

ala the guy who tried to blow himself up in our physics leason

[19:04:32]

Torg:

unless its a GFCI its about useless

[19:04:39]

darrenp:

Has a whole stack of cisco switches and servers that went pop when the three phase power going to the computer room lost its neutral.... some equipment had 400+ volts going through it!

[19:04:40]

xzcvczx:

gfci?

[19:04:50]

xzcvczx:

ouch

[19:05:19]

Torg:

you dont have GFCI circuit breakers?

[19:05:22]

darrenp:

Darn UPS decided to save itself and take itsself off the loop, rather than protecting the equipment.

[19:05:31]

xzcvczx:

one day i want to see what happens if you cut the end of a network cable and plug it into a 3 phase 240 volts power when its connected to a very large commercial network

[19:05:36]

xzcvczx:

would you get fireworks?

[19:05:42]

xzcvczx:

Torg: no idea what they are

[19:05:55]

darrenp:

Hmm, you been reading BOFH? Sounds like an etherkiller to me!

[19:05:55]

Torg:

no yourd get a constant colision light and a dead asic on a port :P

[19:05:56]

scopeuk:

xzcvczx ithink youed fry the cable between you and the first piece of gear

[19:06:19]

scopeuk:

net cable isent designed for that sort of power

[19:06:20]

xzcvczx:

how boring

[19:06:35]

xzcvczx:

<whine> i want fireworks

[19:06:41]

scopeuk:

however taking a live wire to the 12 volt line of a psu whould be much mroe specactualr

[19:06:43]

scopeuk:

capacitors rock

[19:06:48]

Torg:

Ground Fault Circuit Interupters, standard for US bathroom an kitchen plug (where there is water). If it detect a gound fault it will trip (like if you decided to tick a pin in the plugs)

[19:07:25]

xzcvczx:

lol

[19:07:26]

scopeuk:

Torg uk use a similar system for every circuit

[19:07:44]

Torg:

persoannly Id plug a 110 CRT into 240 if you want to see fireworks, should blow up with pretty (and smelly) purple flames

[19:07:56]

scopeuk:

Torg sounds like when caps blow

[19:08:15]

xzcvczx:

scopeuk: do you commute out of uk everyday to work or something and change your name to uk when you are back at home?

[19:08:17]

scopeuk:

ive seen some weird behaviour like psus surviving beign set to 110 v and pluged into 240

[19:08:36]

Torg:

and I blew up the switch in Sweden

[19:08:40]

scopeuk:

xzcvczx i use to use scope then couldent get it on a forum and added the uk

[19:08:41]

xzcvczx:

scopeuk: i cant believe how many people try that to see what happens

[19:08:59]

xzcvczx:

lol

[19:09:09]

scopeuk:

xzcvczx this was accidental the psu switch is now hot melt glued in the 240 possition

[19:09:16]

scopeuk:

along with all the other ones i nthe house

[19:09:27]

xzcvczx:

im sorry i dont believe it was accidental

[19:09:34]

scopeuk:

hey it wasent me

[19:09:39]

scopeuk:

the guy claimed it was acidental

[19:09:39]

xzcvczx:

they are made not to be able to switch accidentallyt

[19:09:49]

scopeuk:

yeh he'd been pissing about with it

[19:09:57]

scopeuk:

and left it in the wrong position when he moved it

[19:10:01]

xzcvczx:

and by the guy you mean you?

[19:10:10]

scopeuk:

no the guys name is baxter

[19:10:12]

scopeuk:

for once its not me

[19:10:29]

xzcvczx:

;-p

[19:10:33]

scopeuk:

willx isent here or hed be able to confirm for me ;-)

[19:10:38]

mwtb:

What does the preference column on the cardinput table represent?

[19:10:55]

Torg:

what channel it will go to when you change to live TV

[19:11:34]

mwtb:

That's startchan, surely?

[19:11:47]

Hoxzer:

geez

[19:12:01]

xzcvczx:

where does mythdvd defaultly save while transcoding?

[19:12:07]

xzcvczx:

like where will the vobs be

[19:12:08]

xzcvczx:

?

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kormoc:

/tmp ?

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xzcvczx:

nah its somewhere in usr iirc

[19:12:57]

Torg:

maybe /usr/tmp ?

[19:12:58]

netrix:

does anyone know why I am getting all these auto expire warnings about the file not existing in my mthbackend.log?

[19:14:40]

xzcvczx:

netrix: because you have already deleted the files by hand?

[19:14:46]

Torg:

did you delete the files?

[19:15:00]

netrix:

nope ... i always use mythfrontend or mythweb to manage the files.

[19:15:18]

netrix:

i checked and the files it is complaining about are definately not there.

[19:15:31]

Torg:

then ignore the error

[19:15:53]

netrix:

is this a common error that can be safely ignored then?

[19:16:05]

Torg:

it means it went to delete a file that wasnt there

[19:16:19]

Torg:

sort of like I want to mow the lawn but the grass was already short :P

[19:16:24]

Torg:

would you mow it anyway?

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netrix:

lol ... good example.

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scopeuk:

torg yes jsutto be awkward

[19:17:14]

netrix:

but i do notice the message repeats over and over again ...

[19:17:27]

netrix:

seens be be like everytwo minutes or so.

[19:17:58]

mwtb:

I'm flummoxed. Both my cards are present and visible to mythtv. The channels look fine and yet it's telling me that it is conflicted when I set two recordings at once.

[19:18:22]

netrix:

the error says because the file can't be deleted that the "database metadata will not be removed." i guess i need to get rid of the entry in the database.

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Torg:

anyone here use distcc?

[19:23:35]

ivor:

most people I expect

[19:23:46]

Juski:

not me

[19:23:52]

ivor:

or icecream

[19:23:55]

Torg:

im tyring to figure out why all of a sudden it dosnt like to work anymore :(

[19:24:06]

Torg:

I keep getting (dcc_writex) ERROR: failed to write: Connection reset by peer from my hosts

[19:24:35]

Torg:

and yes its the same verion of gcc with the same verison of distcc and same libs on both systems

[19:24:43]

ivor:

run the daemon verbose and watch the screen

[19:25:14]

Juski:

ooo I have the go-ahead to sell my case badges at the expo :)

[19:25:26]

scopeuk:

sweet

[19:25:51]

** Juski orders another 5000 **

[19:26:08]

Juski:

</joke>

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netrix:

hah .. simple solution create zero byte files with touch and it seems to get past it.

[19:28:52]

xzcvczx:

anyone running mythbrowser with a via video card?

[19:29:00]

Juski:

netrix: I get that sometimes

[19:29:21]

netrix:

Juksi: weird, i wonder why it happens. i always manage the files through myth for obvious reasons.

[19:30:27]

netrix:

Juski: btw, i tired that patch and ivtv 0.6.4 and the samsung tuners still look like ass. :(

[19:30:35]

Juski:

I suspect it's down to deleting recordings before they can be expired, if you have it set to keep a certain number of shows

[19:30:38]

Torg:

ok ivor if I run it and watch it works fine, damn distcc :P

[19:31:05]

Juski:

netrix: did I ever say it'd definitely fix it? :-P

[19:31:11]

ivor:

there you go. knew that would fix it. :)

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Torg:

now make my soalris boxes accpt distcc from my x86 ones and il be happy :)

[19:32:05]

netrix:

Juski: yeah i know .. i was pretty hopeful about the patch.

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netrix:

does anyone think the samsung tuners will eventually work like the good old phillips ones, or should i just start trolling ebay looking for one with phillips tuners?

[19:33:39]

sigger:

is there any kind of program/plugin to run on a tablet pc (or nokia 770, etc) to act like a controller of a front end?

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Torg:

sigger you mean like a remote?

[19:34:06]

xzcvczx:

it would be nice if mythdvd came up with an error if it failed ripping :s

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xzcvczx:

sigger: there is the telnet app

[19:35:28]

xzcvczx:

sigger: or if you can program in java i will give you one that i started on

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Torg:

xzcvczx what libs does it use (ie can I port it to blackberry)

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xzcvczx:

(works you will just need an on screen keyboard or add buttons)

[19:36:57]

xzcvczx:

Torg: swing

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xzcvczx:

and lemme check what else

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xzcvczx:

doesnt need to use swing though

[19:37:32]

xzcvczx:

i just have it using swing for awt event stuff

[19:37:55]

sigger:

Torg: kind of. except it would be an independant program so that you wouldn't have to disturb the screen of the frontend

[19:38:08]

sigger:

(sorry dor delay – darn work phone calls)

[19:38:18]

xzcvczx:

net, io, swing, awt

[19:38:29]

sigger:

sorry, I'm not a java guy :(

[19:38:33]

xzcvczx:

not sure whether i am actually using io tho

[19:38:33]

Torg:

can I get a copy ill see if I can get it to run :)

[19:38:38]

xzcvczx:

sure

[19:38:52]

Torg:

my io is sorts chopped off, they call it security :(

[19:39:03]

Torg:

as long as it dosnt try OBEX I think it should be ok tho

[19:39:06]

sigger:

always meant to learn it. (also always meant to skewer my eyeballs with toothpicks)

[19:39:30]

Torg:

sigger does your 770 have a web browser?

[19:39:47]

sigger:

torg: yes, why mythweb?

[19:39:57]

Torg:

yes, isnt that want you wanted?

[19:40:14]

sigger:

but that wont control what a frontend plays will it?

[19:40:18]

xzcvczx:

mythweb doesnt act like a remote thought does it

[19:40:27]

sigger:

picture like a crestron or AMX system

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Torg:

no it dosnt, it acts as an easy way to schedule recoding tho

[19:41:06]

xzcvczx:

sigger: if you want you can try my app

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seth|laptop:

mythweb is the only way to schedule, hehe

[19:41:26]

xzcvczx:

have you got an on screen keyboard on wahtever you want to run it on?

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kormoc:

xzcvczx, it acts like a remote frontend

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sigger:

it wasn't about scheduling it was about telling video to play on a frontend/

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kormoc:

xzcvczx, and yes, there's telnet interface patches for mythweb and they'll be offically added eventually

[19:42:15]

sigger:

xzcvczx: yes have on screen kbd, but 770 doesn't have a JVM :(

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sigger:

hmmm, can mythfrontend be telnet'ed to? i.e. can I tell it to play something?

[19:43:24]

kormoc:

sigger, aye, it can

[19:43:46]

kormoc:

sigger, http://mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-11.html#ss11.6

[19:43:56]

xzcvczx:

sigger: horribly slow and complicated though

[19:44:05]

xzcvczx:

sigger: all my app does is make that simpler

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** kormoc doesn't find it that slow nor complicated **

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sigger:

hmm, so if I wrote a webapp that the 770 could access and have the server telnet commands to mythfrontend....

[19:44:50]

kenguru:

what is wrong with my mythtv ? mythtv-setup has scanned channels over 2 hours and it's 55% done.

[19:44:52]

kormoc:

sigger, there's patches for mythweb floating around that intigrate it into mythweb

[19:45:03]

sigger:

ew, but then ?

[19:45:07]

kenguru:

or is this normal?

[19:45:12]

sigger:

sorry, I meant "?"

[19:45:21]

xzcvczx:

kenguru: have you got your freq table set?

[19:45:28]

sigger:

mythweb floating around that intigrate it into mythweb

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** kormoc blinks **

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kenguru:

xzcvczx, i don't think so? :)

[19:46:11]

sigger:

ok, I'll try again: what gets integrated into mythweb?

[19:46:21]

kormoc:

a telnet interface to control frontends

[19:47:00]

sigger:

ah, thank you (my clearly unintelligble bad)

[19:51:24]

seth|laptop:

kenguru, my cahnnel scan takes like 5 minutes

[19:51:30]

seth|laptop:

something is awry

[19:51:35]

xzcvczx:

mine takes about 20 secs

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GreyFoxx:

kormoc: There are? Cool. I hacked up a tiny little web interface for using the telnet controls cause I had nothing to do one day while waiting in a doctors office

[19:52:22]

seth|laptop:

well, I should clarify 3 scans, 2 HD cards, just to be sure, so it is like 20 or 30 seconds I suppose :-)

[19:53:01]

kormoc:

GreyFoxx, I've seen mention of them a few times in here, but haven't really used them myself, just saw them installed on someone else's mythweb

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GreyFoxx:

I've used mine atime or 2 when I was too lazy to walk accross the room to get my remote yet the laptop was right next to me :)

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|Torg|:

mine takens about 120 seconds

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|Torg|:

its that sort of like putting an eject button on the remote? you stil have to get yoru lazy ass up to get the dvd :)

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sigger:

GreyFoxx: can I get a copy of your web interface? I'd like to toy around with making a tablet/770 controller ala a Crestron. Pretty sure it'll be too sluggish to control playback/ffwd/ etc

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xzcvczx:

|Torg|: yes but its the cool factor :P

[19:56:55]

opello:

telnet interface?

[19:57:04]

|Torg|:

cool is when mythtv can make me a cappuccino :P

[19:57:21]

GreyFoxx:

sigger: Sure, I don't have it reachable from there tho so you gotta wait :)

[19:57:28]

sigger:

also looks like mythfrontend's telnet prolly doesn't give much info to determine which webbuttons should be enabled, etc. mmm, and wouldn't enable me to have cover art for video selection

[19:57:59]

xzcvczx:

|Torg|: nah popcorn

[19:58:05]

GreyFoxx:

It doesn't show mythvideo data at all

[19:58:09]

GreyFoxx:

or music

[19:58:17]

opello:

i just want a telnet interface, maybe a thicker program for it, so i don't need the ir keyboard and the laptop on my lap :)

[19:58:29]

sigger:

opello: ditto

[19:58:38]

GreyFoxx:

Just recordings, key controls, scheduling listings, and playback controls

[19:59:07]

sigger:

well, music I do with ampache/mpd anyway. just trying to get mythvideo to work via tablet/770/laptop

[19:59:22]

sigger:

yeah, but it gives me a platform to start from

[19:59:35]

sigger:

is mythvideo totally inaccessible from telnet?

[19:59:42]

GreyFoxx:

I just use the emulated keystrokes in mythvideo for up/down and left/right

[20:00:05]

GreyFoxx:

sigger: Yes, you cannot access listings of available mythvideo content or any such

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GreyFoxx:

But you can send of keystrokes for navigation

[20:00:56]

sigger:

hmm, then I guess telnet's out. Nah, I wanted to be able to use tablet not like a remote, but like a controller.

[20:01:44]

GreyFoxx:

You could always write a patch to the telnet controls to allow retrieval of mythvideo/music info

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** sigger calculates the interesting challenge versus wife having head for disappearing for 3 weeks to figure it out **

[20:03:25]

xzcvczx:

sigger: just copy the mythweb plugin just change stuff to be commands instead of downloading/opening the file

[20:03:39]

Juski:

that's my optical mouse fixed. AGAIN

[20:03:53]

xzcvczx:

so the wifes going to get head.... lucky her

[20:04:19]

sigger:

HAHAHA. er, having my head. as in, lopped off

[20:04:35]

Juski:

basic choice... myth goes down, or your wife does

[20:04:42]

xzcvczx:

maybe thats worthy of bash.org

[20:05:08]

Juski:

nowhere near emo enough to be worthy of bash.org

[20:05:31]

xzcvczx:

lol

[20:05:33]

Juski:

how much are optical mices these days anyway?

[20:05:45]

stuarta:

bugger all

[20:05:46]

xzcvczx:

$10USD was mine

[20:05:56]

opello:

i have a $12 logitech, no problems yet

[20:06:04]

opello:

corded usb, 2 btn + wheel :)

[20:06:14]

Juski:

I like this MS one I was given but I've had to fix the cable twice since I was given it

[20:06:33]

Juski:

I love my 5 buttons

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Juski:

wonder if it's worth paying a visit to pissy werled

[20:07:10]

stuarta:

i've five. left right wheel down, wheel forward, wheel back

[20:07:22]

xzcvczx:

lol

[20:07:34]

stuarta:

even X sees it that way

[20:07:37]

Juski:

actually that's technically correct

[20:07:39]

stuarta:

:)

[20:07:42]

opello:

yeah

[20:07:47]

opello:

good point :)

[20:08:00]

opello:

my main mouse is a 7 then, heh

[20:08:45]

|Torg|:

http://www.gyration.com/en-US/ProductDetail.h . . . mp;accshow=3

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Juski:

so a fiver for the mouse, a fiver petrol to go get it :-|

[20:09:22]

|Torg|:

http://www.gyration.co.uk/proddata.php?partno . . . pact%20Suite

[20:09:30]

|Torg|:

altho at that price id just buy the US one and import it :)

[20:09:34]

stuarta:

tack it on the back of some other order...

[20:09:47]

Juski:

stuarta: me & whose bank account? ;-)

[20:09:57]

Juski:

actually my case badgers will pay

[20:10:21]

stuarta:

yeah, should come out on top with that.

[20:11:02]

Juski:

not even close

[20:11:21]

Juski:

the profit, should I sell all the badges, will cover my train fare

[20:12:03]

xzcvczx:

$300 :O

[20:12:03]

Juski:

I'm not selling em to make a killing – I never would :)

[20:12:15]

stuarta:

it's a good start. Put me down for a badge anyway

[20:12:18]

Juski:

$300 – for a _mouse_ ?

[20:12:27]

xzcvczx:

and keyboard

[20:12:30]

Juski:

does it do the dishes?

[20:12:38]

opello:

optimus makes a mouse now? heh

[20:12:48]

stuarta:

Step 1. collect underpants. Step 2. ??? Step 3. Profit $$$$

[20:12:50]

** seth|laptop wants some case badges **

[20:12:51]

xzcvczx:

no but it makes you coffee

[20:12:56]

** seth|laptop points to Juski **

[20:13:09]

** opello wants some badges too **

[20:13:10]

** kormoc wants a case badger **

[20:13:12]

Juski:

seth|laptop: I hope to shift all of them at the expo

[20:13:17]

** stuarta is watching solaris and getting quite bored... **

[20:13:22]

kormoc:

love to see someone steal the ram from a case badger!

[20:13:24]

** seth|laptop can't be at the expo **

[20:13:28]

Juski:

so I'll order some more when I get back

[20:13:36]

opello:

yay

[20:13:37]

Juski:

then set up an online shoppe

[20:13:40]

** seth|laptop watches solaris all day **

[20:14:01]

** stuarta watches linux all day, but this is the crap movie **

[20:14:09]

Juski:

I wonder if a keyboard with built-in trackpad would suit me better

[20:14:32]

Juski:

hmm only if it has a scroll wheel

[20:14:44]

stuarta:

*was* the crap movie. 'd' works nicely, apart from having to tell it to delete *twice*

[20:15:02]

janneg:

stuarta: solaris 1974 or 2004?

[20:15:18]

Juski:

whatever happened to those little 'clit' things on laptop keyboards anyway?

[20:15:28]

stuarta:

2004....

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[20:15:43]

kormoc:

Juski, too many people were fired for playing with them

[20:15:46]

|Torg|:

you mark Soalris from its date?

[20:15:48]

stuarta:

Juski: they were funny. remember testing the standalone version.

[20:16:04]

|Torg|:

or did you mean Solaris 2.4 or Solaris 9?

[20:16:09]

xzcvczx:

is it legal to backup dvd's these days?

[20:16:25]

kormoc:

|Torg|, the movie, not the os

[20:16:39]

|Torg|:

oh, haha

[20:16:41]

kormoc:

xzcvczx, not really, with the DMCA and all (if you're in the us)

[20:16:59]

opello:

Juski: glidepoint? :)

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|Torg|:

all my movies that are backed up dont use CSS (and I can delete them faster then you can check :P)

[20:17:31]

Juski:

opello: yeah I think thats what they called it

[20:17:49]

opello:

my laptop has one

[20:18:03]

opello:

but it's from 4 years ago, heh

[20:18:04]

Juski:

trouble with it was, it's difficult to type & use the thing with your tongue at the same time

[20:18:04]

xzcvczx:

kormoc: nahh in nz....

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seth|laptop:

hehe, Juski

[20:18:38]

xzcvczx:

i actually prefer the 'clits' to touchpads

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Juski:

btw that's not my word for it.. was an ex-gf who coined the phrase

[20:19:31]

opello:

heh

[20:19:33]

Juski:

I asked why she called it that, then she suggested I have a try...

[20:19:39]

seth|laptop:

hehe

[20:19:47]

xzcvczx:

lol

[20:20:49]

Juski:

would've been great for a game like Daley Thomson's Decathlon back in the 80s though wouldn't it? move your finger side to side very quickly across the little bump...

[20:20:53]

janneg:

stuarta: yeah, it wasn't great. And it helps to know the book to understand the film

[20:21:22]

stuarta:

even at 1.35x timestretch i was bored

[20:21:55]

kormoc:

I thought the 2004 solaris was a good film, as in the shooting was great, and the sets were awesome, but the story wasn't very... compelling at all

[20:22:11]

Juski:

watched that 'death of a president' last night.. I want those 90 minutes back

[20:22:27]

stuarta:

hehe...

[20:22:46]

gbee:

so did I, actually thought the 2004 version had the edge over the 1974 version – though each took a different aspect of the book

[20:22:52]

Juski:

time for some 'spooks' methinks

[20:23:12]

opello:

watch a film version of 'death of a salesman' and you'll feel better about those 90 mins

[20:23:13]

janneg:

iirc I haven't seen it completely but I like the book

[20:23:58]

gbee:

neither of the film versions contain much, if anything, of the exploration of the planet

[20:24:35]

gbee:

they just deal with the events within the station

[20:25:10]

stuarta:

i think i'll read the book one day...

[20:25:10]

** seth|laptop sees that both versions of solaris are available on netfilx (1972) (2002), ack George Clooney **

[20:25:22]

scopeuk:

Juski no fair i want spooks

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Dagmar:

Juski: Death of a President? Is that teh movie about Bush being shot?

[20:25:36]

gbee:

heh, 2 years out on both then :)

[20:25:44]

janneg:

oh, both dates are off

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janneg:

I have the 1972 version as recording but hadn't the time to watch it

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kormoc:

I like George Clooney

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seth|laptop:

looks as though the original version, migh be better, the newer version looks like a love story from the description.

[20:27:13]

stuarta:

that summarizes the bit i watched

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gbee:

seth – if you don't mind the slow pace and the fact that there is about a page of dialogue in the whole film, then Solaris is probably some of Clooney's best acting

[20:27:29]

seth|laptop:

really

[20:27:44]

kormoc:

yeah, he really captured what was intended to be

[20:27:59]

** seth|laptop adds newer version to queue **

[20:28:11]

netrix:

phuck it.

[20:28:12]

** netrix orders another pvr500 1081 with phillips tuners. **

[20:28:27]

gbee:

it _is_ arty when compared to normal Hollywood stuff, but imho it's better than most people say

[20:28:54]

seth|laptop:

hey, they reccomend adding Event Horizon as well, I rememebr seeing that, it was good.

[20:29:00]

** kormoc laughs **

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gbee:

the old version, at least the one I saw, suffered from being dubbed rather than subtitled

[20:29:07]

kormoc:

I didn't like event horizon much at all

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seth|laptop:

I like Sam Neill

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kormoc:

I do too, just felt the story was a bit too... predictable

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gbee:

I liked Event Horizon even though I'm not a great horror fan

[20:30:13]

kormoc:

I just wasn't in the mood for a mindless horror flick I guess

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seth|laptop:

yeah if i remember right, that was a bit gory

[20:30:43]

kormoc:

Now, resident evil... Mmm.... now that was a movie I can just turn off the brain and watch time and time again

[20:31:38]

gbee:

Event Horizon is probably one of the better sci-fi horror films, the sets, camerawork and story were well done

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gbee:

I was just about to mention Resident Evil as the opposite end of that spectrum ;) I didn't like it much

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gbee:

:)

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kormoc:

I thought that RE's story line was well done, in it gave enough that most people were happy, but not too much to bore people

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BULLE:

gbee: Event Horizon is realy nice

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kormoc:

now, camera work... it was a bit lacking at parts, but not that bad imho

[20:34:04]

BULLE:

i prefer the RE games over the movies, tbh

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seth|laptop:

I liked Silent Hill

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seth|laptop:

although I have never played the game

[20:36:06]

xzcvczx:

i think saw is a good movie :P (transcoding at present)

[20:36:22]

seth|laptop:

it came with the xbox I bought used to make a frontend for myth, but I never played it.

[20:37:58]

xzcvczx:

are the psu's in xboxs standard atx connectors?

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seth|laptop:

not sure, never opened it up, hehe

[20:39:34]

seth|laptop:

I can tell you they don't play back HD very well

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xzcvczx:

i am tempted to buy a really cheap one and put my itx mobo in it and just use it as the case

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seth|laptop:

I'll bet that would work

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seth|laptop:

I need a good itx board, I had a friend give me a case, that takes a board like that.

[20:40:53]

seth|laptop:

it would make a great frontend for the guest room

[20:41:27]

aboutblank:

what kind of FPS do people get when encoding xvid?

[20:41:29]

xzcvczx:

well most htpc cases are crazily expensive and the xbox doesnt look too bad

[20:41:49]

Dagmar:

aboutblank: it depends entirely on the settings they use

[20:42:03]

Dagmar:

If you're wanting to know if you should be seeing better than realtime transcoding, the answer is no.

[20:42:25]

aboutblank:

better than realtime?!?!

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|Torg|:

I do realtime encoding all the time :P

[20:42:34]

aboutblank:

jesus if i was so lucky to get NEAR realtime

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kormoc:

64 bit can do wonders for transcode speed

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Dagmar:

Yeah, but it doesn't do crap for xvid

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aboutblank:

i cannot get above 7 FPS encoding xvid even with 3000 kb/s, no noise reduction, CBR, and no deinterlacing

[20:43:23]

xzcvczx:

wow there are lots of faulty xboxs for sale

[20:43:31]

Dagmar:

...unless you're fond of really lossy encoding

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kormoc:

no? I thought it doubled on mine, but I might be thinking mpeg-4 standard

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scopeuk:

aboutblank its the resolution that kilsl xvid iirc

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Dagmar:

kormoc

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Dagmar:

kormoc: there's pretty much nothing in the xvid codec to make use of 64-bit instructions that I can see, so it was probably some other codec you were using

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aboutblank:

xvid is MPEG4, correct?

[20:45:01]

aboutblank:

and implementation of*

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BULLE:

aboutblank: for some very vague definition of what mpeg4 is, yes

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Dagmar:

heh

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aboutblank:

heh

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aboutblank:

vague definitions are what i'm good at!

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BULLE:

MPEG4 is a huge set of specs, contains container formats etc

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Dagmar:

mpeg4: Look, mpg can be a container format, too!

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BULLE:

yes

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BULLE:

the mpeg4 container format is basicly quicktime, from what i remember

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aboutblank:

so do you guys generally transcode the stuff you record to just leave it as MPEG2?

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BULLE:

aboutblank: i leave it

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Dagmar:

The stuff I intend to keep for awhile, I feed to the transcoder

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BULLE:

aboutblank: transcoding takes time, and gives me crappier picture quality

[20:46:38]

Dagmar:

I am still beating on mine to make it reliable

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kormoc:

I just leave it alone

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aboutblank:

Does anyone script to mpeg2 -> mpeg2 lossless to remove commercials?

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Dagmar:

I dont' bother transcoding stuff that's going to be deleted in a week

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kormoc:

my poor little mythbox couldn't handle lots of transcoding

[20:47:40]

Dagmar:

aboutblank: Honestly, man, you might as well just look into getting a copy of Cinelerra running

[20:47:54]

BULLE:

uhoh, cinelerrasomething

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Dagmar:

The commercial flagger can't be trusted to do more than 80% accuracy still

[20:48:00]

BULLE:

that is a best

[20:48:21]

Dagmar:

I keep having to *always* diddle the cut points, so I just use Cinelerra for cutting

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seth|laptop:

I have pretty good success with commflagging

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BULLE:

would be fun to actualy look at the commercial flagger

[20:48:31]

BULLE:

from an algoritmic point of view

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aboutblank:

how can a video editor be non-linear? this confuses me

[20:49:48]

Dagmar:

aboutblank: It means you can skip around in the file. Dont' worry about it

[20:50:58]

Dagmar:

Bleh. I've had enough of beating on mythvideo for now

[20:53:41]

aboutblank:

anyone feel like telling me the approx CPU overhead of encoding an MPEG2 stream with software?

[20:54:26]

moonie:

I'm having some trouble getting a slave backend setup properly, the documentation says to skip the "Video Source" part of the mythtv-setup on the slave, but if I do so mythbackend won't start and the documentation is rather bare on setting up slave backends

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kormoc:

moonie, you need to setup the video sources just like on the master backend

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scottder:

Hey all, anyone have a recommendation on a wireless keyboard for a mythtv box, preferably something that isn't too expensive

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moonie:

ok, so the documentation is incorrect?

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kormoc:

moonie, would seem to say so

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moonie:

ok

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|Torg|:

define too expensive

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Dagmar:

kormoc: That's one of those things wot might be simpler if there were just a shell script to clone the relevant section of the db

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moonie:

I had it setup that way but the master wouldn't schedule recordings on the slave

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seth|laptop:

http://knoppmythwiki.org/index.php?page=SlaveBackendHowTo I followed that. All i set up on the slave was the card in it, pvr150, On the slave, I do not see the cards per se, as I do the input choices

[20:56:45]

scottder:

Less than $100

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scottder:

:)

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seth|laptop:

other than the pvr 150, but my inputs show hd1 hd2 and pvr150

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seth|laptop:

hd1 and hd2 are on the master

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cout:

are there any pcie hdtv tuners that work with mythtv?

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FunkyELF:

anyone here use gentoo?

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BULLE:

no, gentoo gives you capital punishment

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xzcvczx:

FunkyELF: me

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kormoc:

I use gentoo

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xzcvczx:

anyone have an xbox that they have opened?

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|Torg|:

why would you want to open it :P

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xzcvczx:

|Torg|: to see whats inside

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|Torg|:

oh in that case, yes its quite easy to do so

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xzcvczx:

well no i am trying to find someone who has done it already

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|Torg|:

its easy you just need torx screwdrivers

[21:08:09]

|Torg|:

or did you mean a xbox360?

[21:08:14]

xzcvczx:

no

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|Torg|:

then yes all you need is a torx scredrivers, a t20 I think

[21:08:38]

xzcvczx:

i dont have an xbox yet i am trying to work out whether it is worth buying one

[21:08:42]

|Torg|:

the screwed are under the feat and a few of th stickers

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** xzcvczx wraps a big rock around |Torg|'s neck and throws him off a bridge **

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|Torg|:

I take it you dont like my instructions :P

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xzcvczx:

well i guess for $10 i cant go wrong anyway

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|Torg|:

where are you going to buy an xbox for $10?

[21:11:30]

xzcvczx:

tradene

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xzcvczx:

trademe

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FunkyELF:

xzcvczx, did you upgrade from .19 to .20?

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xzcvczx:

FunkyELF: yes

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Dagmar:

|Torq|: From crack addicts, of course.

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|Torg|:

I thgouth you only got sex from crack adicts, gee what little I know :P

[21:18:25]

Dagmar:

Only from the ones without any stuff left to sell

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FunkyELF:

xzcvczx, any issues?

[21:20:25]

FunkyELF:

xzcvczx, did you do a quickpkg before upgrading?

[21:26:15]

xzcvczx:

nope

[21:26:22]

xzcvczx:

worked perfectly

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Juski:

Dagmar: yeah that thing was about the hypothetical Bush getting shot. Wasn't anywhere near graphic enough to feel satisfying

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Juski:

can't watch Spooks with time compression.. everyone talks too fast

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Juski:

scopeuk: ftp://ftp.juski.co.uk/mythtvwarez/we_r_1337/5p00k5_s3.rar&nbs p;:D

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Juski:

as if I would... :-P

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Juski:

haha.. and at least one person tried that link

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scopeuk:

Juski lol

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Juski:

if I did do stuff like that it'd make me something of a hypocrite, dontcha think? ;-)

[21:36:41]

scopeuk:

yeh

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** scopeuk decides to keep his oppinion to himself **

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Juski:

I wanna watch another episode.. damn cliffhangers

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scopeuk:

lol

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scopeuk:

stargate do that

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Juski:

only SG episode I ever enjoyed was the one with Dan Castellaneta in it

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netw1z:

anyone ever have trouble getting MythGame to show the name and pictures of roms for xmame?

[21:39:52]

netw1z:

i have snapshots in png format in screens

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netw1z:

with the same file name as the roms

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Juski:

omg that guy was also the voice of Earthworm Jim !

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Juski:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Configur . . . #Screenshots

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tRSS:

quick question: i have setup a backend system on FC5 and a frontend system on Ubuntu dapper (using apt-get). Now i am getting a protocol version 31 error? Is there a latest .deb frontend available for ubuntu?

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fryfrog:

tRSS: You might be better served by checking out the svn -fixes branch on both

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Juski:

tRSS: they're different versions.. they have to be both the same release..

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fryfrog:

and simply compiling it all

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fryfrog:

or sticking with one distro

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fryfrog:

assuming you have "apt-get update" and "apt-get upgrade"

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tRSS:

fryfrog: you are right. may be a .rpm file on the frontend is available, that I can convert to deb using alien?

[21:45:48]

fryfrog:

but even then, you'll likely have problems if one distro updates and the other doesn't

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fryfrog:

just use the same rpm you used for FC5?

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tRSS:

i used yum on FC5

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|Torg|:

then use alien on ubu

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|Torg|:

altho I would rather go with the compile option or for that matter stick with one distro

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tRSS:

|Torg|: that is the idea, but I am just testing right now, before rebuilding from scratch for the final setup

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Juski:

fucking bastard piece of shit Firefox & Acrobat reader! argghhH!

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s_g_robertson:

any suggestions on how to find out why mytharchive is not happy all I get is "2006-10–17 22:54:23.997 Unable to initialize plugin 'mytharchive'" the full text is here http://pastebin.ca/207243

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s_g_robertson:

I should also mention that I can get it to run on a remote FE connecting to the same(local) BE. Don't really know where to start with that error message!

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|Torg|:

has anyone here compiled .19 agaisnt libXvMCNVIDIA

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GreyFoxx:

I had xvmc support compiled in back then

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Juski:

|Torg|: yup... I had to jump through some hoops

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gbee:

s_g_robertson: you need to rebuild mytharchive, the myth libs have updated and the plugins need to be built against the same version as the frontend

[22:07:57]

|Torg|:

it keeps complaining about XvMCPutSlice2 even tho I implitly told it to not use xvmc-pro and vxmc-vld

[22:08:13]

|Torg|:

I had to implitly comment out the configure scripts as well, but I cant get it to compile

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GreyFoxx:

I didn't do any more than the compile flag to include xvmc

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Juski:

|Torg|: I moved the wrapper out of the way

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|Torg|:

I could uninstall it, but ive implitly told it not to use the wrapper

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s_g_robertson:

gbee:as far as I can tell that is what I have

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Juski:

http://www.mythtvtalk.com/forum/viewtopic.php . . . xvmc+wrapper

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s_g_robertson:

gbee:http://pastebin.ca/207256

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|Torg|:

I removed the wrapper pacakges, but it takes like 30 mins to compile

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s_g_robertson:

gbee: unless there are changes to mytharchive just after 11457 Need to check that

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s_g_robertson:

gbee:nope there are no changes to root/trunk/mythplugins/mytharchive between 11436 and 11457. I must be doing something silly. Just can't figure what

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moonie:

thanks for the help earlier, got my slave backend working perfectly and scheduling recordings

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fryfrog:

Is there any reason that even after capturing 2.8G of data, my "recorded programs" view doesn't show a thumbnail for a recording in progress?

[22:28:44]

fryfrog:

As soon as its *done*, it'll generate one a-okay

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fryfrog:

but not while its in progress, but mayhaps this is normal?

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achew22:

I'm tring to compile myth and I get errors. I beleive its because its compiling against QT4 instead of QT3. How do you tell myth to compile against the latter?

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|Torg|:

-I/usr/incluse/qt3

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|Torg|:

err -I/usr/include/qt3

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Rampage:

Hi :)

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xris:

achew22: should work find with qt4 as long as you have the compat libs installed

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xris:

but I think there is a configure option to specify the qt dir, or use $QTDIR env var.

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Rampage:

Hello all.. i have a little question about hardware suggestions.. do u think i can run mythtv smoothly on a 900mhz athlon processor with 512mb ram and an nvidia card? i'm planning to install a DVB-T card to watch digital TV....

[22:48:32]

Zider:

should work justfine

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Zider:

if it's not HDTV

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Rampage:

the dvb-t card is a terratec dvb-t 1400 PCI...

[22:48:47]

Rampage:

no it's not hdtv

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|Torg|:

as long as its SDTV and not HDTV it will be ok

[22:49:04]

Rampage:

720x576 afaik

[22:49:20]

Rampage:

i'm interested in recording too

[22:49:36]

Zider:

recording takes like no cpu at all for digital tv

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Rampage:

well that's the main reason i'm going to use mythtv.. since i already have a STB

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Rampage:

oh.. nice nice :) and do u know if there are issues or missing features for digital tv?

[22:50:16]

Rampage:

like EPG support and stuff

[22:50:21]

Zider:

dunno what EPG is

[22:50:30]

Rampage:

electronic programming guide

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achew22:

xris, i'm sorry, the compact libs?

[22:50:54]

Zider:

have no idea.. but I don't think anything would be "missing"

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Rampage:

it's transmitted with the channels in the digital mux and it gives informations about programs

[22:50:58]

xris:

achew22: compat

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GreyFoxx:

Rampage: myth does support gathering EIT data

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xris:

compatibility

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achew22:

xris, thankyou as always

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Rampage:

what's eit? sorry for my noobnes :)

[22:51:20]

Aid`:

there's no EPG on DVB in us

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GreyFoxx:

Aid`: Sure there is

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xris:

Aid`: for the not-legal-to-decode stuff there is (or so I've heard)

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Rampage:

oh... ic.. i live in italy.. so i'm gonna have problems for EPG

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|Torg|:

yes there is

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xris:

Rampage: you should be fine

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Aid`:

there isn't any EPG on FTA

[22:52:08]

|Torg|:

yes there is

[22:52:10]

xris:

Aid`: I think it depends on the channel

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GreyFoxx:

Aid`: I'm be VERY suprised if thatwas right

[22:52:24]

Aid`:

there isn't any on FTA satellite

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|Torg|:

there is EIT all over the ATSC channels, it tends to repeat too often tho

[22:52:39]

stuarta:

Rampage: you may get EIT data, but we don't have a lot of dvb-t users in italy.

[22:52:53]

stuarta:

any help to improve the eit data is welcomed

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Rampage:

what's EIT?

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|Torg|:

the format of the EPG :)

[22:53:07]

xris:

Rampage: that's what the program info data stream is called

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Aid`:

GreyFoxx: there isn't any EPG on FTA Satellite

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stuarta:

Event Information, makes up the EPG

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Rampage:

oh.. i

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Rampage:

ic

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|Torg|:

it stands for Event Information Table

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stuarta:

you can always setup mythtv to use EIT data and see what happends.

[22:54:19]

Rampage:

and what about channel scanning? i red a couple of guides but it looks the most difficult part to setup the dvb device to work.... is there something automated to build the channel list and stuff?

[22:54:34]

stuarta:

Rampage: channel scanner in mythtv-setup

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|Torg|:

yes a nice button you press

[22:54:54]

|Torg|:

you can also use azap, szap or tzap

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Rampage:

oh.. so noothing more to do with the dvb commands on shell to build the channel.conf file and such

[22:55:56]

stuarta:

Rampage: no, please use the channel scanner. i want to know about things it gets wrong so i can fix it.

[22:56:00]

GreyFoxx:

Aid`: I have never come accross on that didn't have EIT data available

[22:56:13]

GreyFoxx:

though I haven't been using FTA in the last 8 months

[22:56:33]

Aid`:

FTA Satellite?

[22:56:34]

Aid`:

hmm

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Rampage:

stuarta: i'll.. do i have to beg gods for my dvb card not to set on fire? :D

[22:56:45]

stuarta:

all the European birds have EIT data, although it's often encrypted/obfuscated.

[22:57:14]

Rampage:

stuarta: i'm gonna work with a dvb-t card.. no satellite transponders.. that's why i asked about the scanner

[22:57:16]

stuarta:

Rampage: generally no. a stiff whiskey often helps. :)

[22:57:25]

|Torg|:

US ones tend to have it, but only cary a few days (2 or 3) and repeat over and over

[22:57:35]

Rampage:

since the sat transponders are well known.. but the dvb-t ones vary from country to country and even from a zone of a country to another

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Aid`:

GreyFoxx: what FTA satellite in the USA has EPG?

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GreyFoxx:

Aid`: I've pointed at several over time, and ALL had it

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GreyFoxx:

I didn't keep a list :)

[22:58:09]

Aid`:

galaxy 10r

[22:58:10]

Aid`:

?

[22:58:13]

GreyFoxx:

and like I said, I haven't used in in 8 months since I had my roof redone and haven'tgone backup

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Aid`:

well, i must not be setting up my EIT then

[22:58:37]

Aid`:

all you have to do is check the checkbox then goto guide, right?

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GreyFoxx:

yes

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Aid`:

FTA, DVB signal?

[22:59:02]

Rampage:

Aid`: so mythTV can grub EIT data to build the EPG informations to display.... in the OSD

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Aid`:

Rampage: it just shows Unknown(Unknown)

[22:59:35]

Rampage:

lol ic

[22:59:43]

Aid`:

not really funny

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Rampage:

and about xmltv? do u know if there is anything for xmltv in italy?

[23:00:20]

Aid`:

i should have 'Perform EIT Scan' checked?

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xris:

Rampage: theoretically should be

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Rampage:

i saw a good site for the US with xml data parsed properly.... but italy sux u know :)

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GreyFoxx:

Aid`: it has to be on in 2 places, each channel has to have it enabled andthe video source has too

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xris:

Rampage: tv_grab_it exists as part of xmltv — I don't if/how well it works, though

[23:01:39]

Rampage:

since it's italian stuff.. i'm scared about :D

[23:02:29]

Rampage:

anyway i think i can set up timers for recording... without having to use xmltv data or epg...

[23:02:40]

Rampage:

even if the epg support would be interesting to implement...

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Rampage:

a good feature

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xrothgarx:

I have been googleing to try and figure out what my problem is but I cannot find it

[23:06:06]

xrothgarx:

when I am starting the backend I get "unable to set initgroups() with gid 105"

[23:06:35]

xrothgarx:

is there a easy way to search the chat room logs easily?

[23:07:20]

GreyFoxx:

xrothgarx: That sounds like some weird initscript bug, not something the backend is doing

[23:07:36]

xrothgarx:

hmmm

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|Torg|:

go check your /etc/groups

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xrothgarx:

I think I am probably too new to linux to know how to fix that problem

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|Torg|:

type "grep 105 /etc/group"

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xrothgarx:

mythtv:x:105:

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|Torg|:

do the same to /etc/passwd

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|Torg|:

DONT paste it here tho

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|Torg|:

just tell me if you get a line that has mythtv in it

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xrothgarx:

the resut was only 1 line

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scottder:

So |Torg| any wireless keyboard suggestions....

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xrothgarx:

mythtv:x:105:105::/home/mythtv:/bin/sh

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xrothgarx:

I am using knoppmyth if that makes a difference

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|Torg|:

now try to su to it "su – mythtv"

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|Torg|:

http://www.gyration.com/en-US

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|Torg|:

specifically i use http://www.gyration.com/en-US/ProductDetail.h . . . mp;accshow=3

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Zider:

I noticed today that the internal dvd player seems to loose subtitles from time to time..

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xrothgarx:

I tried su – mythtv and I used mythtv as the pass and it didn't tell me the password was wrong

[23:17:59]

xrothgarx:

so it looks like it worked

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Zider:

type "whoami" to see who you're su'ed to

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xrothgarx:

I am mythtv (but that is who I was before I did "su – mythtv")

[23:21:47]

dsg:

Hi all, has anyone had a setup where mythtv will not change channels? I have a bttv card, I can watch TV fine in tvtime, and myth gives me the starting channel. But if I try to change the channel the text in the info bar changes but the channel stays the same.

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achew22:

xris, that didn't help. do you have any idea what could be causing http://pastebin.ca/207351

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|Torg|:

achew22 is qdom.h in /usr/include/qt4 ?

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czth:

does MythTV work with Qt4 yet? any plans?

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GreyFoxx:

czth: Nope it doesn't

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czth:

do you know why, or where i could find out? just curious

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achew22:

|Torg|, its in Qt/qdom.h

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GreyFoxx:

because it would take rewritting a bunch of code which just hasn't been done

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|Torg|:

achew22 did you see what GreyFoxx just said about qt4?

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achew22:

|Torg|, xris told me that with a perticular library it should compile

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achew22:

and yes I did

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|Torg|:

czth such as the one achew22 is having now

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|Torg|:

go back and use qt3

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achew22:

I asked how to tell it to use qt3 but noone answered and he sugested I use that library

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|Torg|:

first do you have qt3 installed?

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achew22:

yes

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|Torg|:

is there a /usr/include/qt3 directory?

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GreyFoxx:

achew22: you can probably just use QTDIR and set your path so thatthe qt3 stuff is first

[23:38:02]

achew22:

thanks GreyFoxx now to find it...

[23:38:07]

achew22:

I wonder where gentoo emerged it....

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|Torg|:

it should be in /usr/include/qt3

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|Torg|:

that is why I asked if you had that directory

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achew22:

should — but isn't

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|Torg|:

then quite simply you do not have libqt3 headders loaded

[23:39:24]

|Torg|:

from what you have posted it does seem you have qt4 however

[23:39:41]

|Torg|:

you need to either remove qt4 and put in qt3 or install compat libs

[23:40:00]

|Torg|:

after that the configure should automaticly find qt3 or you can force it via the QTDIR

[23:40:37]

achew22:

|Torg|, I installed compat

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|Torg|:

you installed libqt3-compat-headders?

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achew22:

leme find exactly what I emerged...

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Zider:

achew22: running gentoo?

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achew22:

yes and don't tell me to use the ebuild for .20 its both not the right version and its broken

[23:43:07]

Zider:

no, but I know how to get qt3 installed :P

[23:43:24]

achew22:

lol I was so angry when I unmasked .20 and found out it was the wrong version

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|Torg|:

id imagine its something like emerge libqy3-headders :P

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achew22:

i'd bet its masked

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achew22:

Zider, what is it?

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Zider:

achew22: add >=x11-libs/qt-4 to /etc/portage/package.mask and then emerge qt

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Zider:

achew22: that forces it to emerge latest version under 4, which would be 3.something

[23:44:33]

achew22:

Zider, wont that block all future upgrades of 4?

[23:44:48]

Zider:

achew22: do you need qt4 as well?

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achew22:

I'm not sure — I plan on going to KDE4 whenever that comes out

[23:45:20]

Zider:

..on a mediacenter?

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achew22:

no — this is just my computer I have a media center and I want to watch when I work on stuff

[23:46:02]

Zider:

well, you could just emerge "=x11-libs/qt-3.3.6-r1"

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Zider:

that way you have both qt3 and qt4

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achew22:

one sec... I think I have that

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Zider:

I believe that should work atleast :P

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achew22:

Zider, if I remove the mask for QT4 and emerge =x11-libs/qt-3.3.6-r1 will it keep 4 and install 3?

[23:47:45]

Zider:

yes

[23:47:58]

Zider:

you mean the /etc/portage/package.keyword mask?

[23:48:29]

achew22:

allright. I'm going to wallmart to buy food while this compiles (we got 4" of snow so far today and I won't want to go out later) . I'll talk to you all later.

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Zider:

heh

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achew22:

yes I do

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|Torg|:

snow?

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Zider:

we haven't got anything at all yet.. damn hot winter :P

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achew22:

we were having an indian summer for the past week and then BAM!! snow

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|Torg|:

hell its 87F outside

[23:49:26]

achew22:

I love snow, but not driving in it

[23:49:34]

achew22:

|Torg|, where you at?

[23:49:37]

|Torg|:

Dallas

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achew22:

ahh

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Zider:

51F here

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achew22:

it snowed in Dallas something like 10 years ago for christmass

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Zider:

hehe

[23:50:30]

|Torg|:

if it snows here it makes national news

[23:50:53]

achew22:

I had a friend who lived down there at the time and said it was the craziest thing he had ever seen

[23:50:53]

|Torg|:

we have 4 seasons, almost summer, summer, still summer and hunting season

[23:51:01]

Zider:

;)

[23:51:04]

achew22:

anyways — gotta go its still snowing big time up in Denver

[23:51:26]

|Torg|:

I just got back from Denvery last week it was in the 70's

[23:51:32]

|Torg|:

but take care

[23:51:43]

Zider:

we usually have snow, but it seems it's unusually hot this year, which has the meteorologists (sp?) worried

[23:52:02]

|Torg|:

naa its just globl warming :P

[23:52:05]

achew22:

spelling is for loosers

[23:52:11]

Zider:

it has me worried too.. I want snow dammit!

[23:53:18]

|Torg|:

isnt snow damnit, like damn snow?

[23:53:50]

Zider:

dammit is slang for "damn it"

[23:54:09]

Zider:

as in "damn this heat, give me snow"

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