Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Sunday, October 15th, 2006, 00:02 UTC

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nomin:

is there a way to set the exit button to be something other than the Esc key?

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nomin:

I want to control mythtv with a gamepad using the program qjoypad but I can't program the Esc to be anything.

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nomin:

I can program any keypress except Esc

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xris:

nomin: pretty sure you can remap all of the keys

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Mattwj2005:

mmm that steak was good :)

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scopeuk:

gd gd

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scopeuk:

Mattwj2005 got it installed then crippled it

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scopeuk:

it has a field day when theres an internetconnection

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Mattwj2005:

sounds pretty crazy

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scopeuk:

it installed 14 diferent viruses

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Mattwj2005:

dang

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scopeuk:

or should that be viri

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Mattwj2005:

man I hate viruses

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Mattwj2005:

especially at work :)

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Mattwj2005:

I am smart enough to not get them at home ;)

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scopeuk:

i ahvent got one

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scopeuk:

a mv has and so has a friend

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scopeuk:

god only knows how im gonan explain hwo to do this to her

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scopeuk:

very logn email with lots of pictures me thinks

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Mattwj2005:

yeah networks are great for spreading viruses

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Mattwj2005:

sounds good

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scopeuk:

hence why the vms network is turned off

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Mattwj2005:

well the good news for me is I only have one machine that runs windows

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Mattwj2005:

the rest are linux :)

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scopeuk:

i maintain a network of 5 at home

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scopeuk:

and 1 linux node

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scopeuk:

and 4 of those 5 are regularly used by "kids"

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scopeuk:

who litraly isntall anything

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scopeuk:

those machines with the exception of one are jsut wiped

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scopeuk:

that one has every ones docs on it so its a bitch

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Mattwj2005:

you should set up a samba server :)

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scopeuk:

thats that machines job

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scopeuk:

atm any way

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scopeuk:

it has the biggest hdd

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Mattwj2005:

sweetness

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scopeuk:

situation will be remedied when i get a chance

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scopeuk:

but that machien happens to run windows

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Mattwj2005:

I like big hard drives

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scopeuk:

becouse of its other use as the most powerfull pc that isent exclusivlymine

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scopeuk:

its only a 120gig

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Mattwj2005:

that isn't too bad

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scopeuk:

yeh my machien is worse thats only an 80

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scopeuk:

and its in 3 partitions atm

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scopeuk:

1 windows 1 linux and 1 fat for swoping fiels between the two

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Mattwj2005:

oh okay

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scopeuk:

should be replaceed by a nice 320 gig modal soon ish

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Mattwj2005:

yeah I bought a 300 GB HD it didn't work

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Mattwj2005:

kind of disappointing

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rene_:

hi all

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scopeuk:

hi

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scopeuk:

ok i can now fix that system hmm jsut wondering if im better off catchign a train home tomoz and fixign the damn thing or shoudl i send in one of my team mates from back home

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rene_:

I'm currently working on my first mythtv installation (after being a freevo user for over 4 years now). Does anybody use i810 with mythtv? DVB (UK channels) is jerky in live mode for me, and I haven't found any indication as to why. freevo/xine were ok.

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scopeuk:

hmm ahve you tried running top

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scopeuk:

see if anythign is peaking out?

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rene_:

not too bad – Xorg at aroung 24%, mythfrontend 11%, backend 8% and the cx88 dvb kernel process aroung 3%

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scopeuk:

eg rnnign out of ram or if soemthign is eating your proc

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scopeuk:

that all that there is

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rene_:

still around 50% idle (Pentium M CPU)

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scopeuk:

ok

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rene_:

1.6 GHz – should be up to SDTV I think

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scopeuk:

yeh

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rene_:

(and xine works perfectly)

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scopeuk:

i was jsut trying to confirm it wasent mythcommflag eastign the proc

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rene_:

don't see that running in top

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scopeuk:

ok

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rene_:

no, not running at all

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scopeuk:

do you have xvmc on for your i810 that whould be the intel integrated graphix right?

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scopeuk:

integrated/laptop

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rene_:

yes, it's Intel onboard

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rene_:

xvmc does not work according to the mythfrontend output

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rene_:

but is it criticial for SDTV?

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rene_:

I see lots of those:

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rene_:

==> /var/log/mythtv/mythfrontend.log <==

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rene_:

2006-10–15 01:41:31.523 WriteAudio: buffer underrun

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rene_:

2006-10–15 01:42:32.815 WriteAudio: buffer underrun

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rene_:

2006-10–15 01:42:40.941 NVP: prebuffering pause

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scopeuk:

hmm that whould seam to explain jerkeynes

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scopeuk:

i'll put this plainly im no expert so im gona nask for help

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scopeuk:

any one here know how to adjsut the audio buffer size?

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rene_:

hmm, why would audio buffering make the video jerky? strange.

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scopeuk:

becosue it tries to keep the two in sync

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scopeuk:

whould be pointless for video to continue without audi

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scopeuk:

o

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rene_:

ah, I found something – DMA not activated for the second HD. one moment

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scopeuk:

is that where the live tv buffer is?

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rene_:

yes

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scopeuk:

that whould explain alot

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rene_:

although it wasn't a problem with the xine/mencoder combo that freevo used. (and it was enabled a few weeks ago). hmm...

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scopeuk:

they dont buffer live tv to hdd though

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scopeuk:

well xine doesent

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charlieS:

am I right to assume that there still isn't hardware capable of allowing me to use mythtv as an HD DVR (for viewing live and archived shows on a real TV!)?

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fryfrog:

charlieS: i record and watch hdtv all the time

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charlieS:

watch on your PC? Or on an HDTV?

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fryfrog:

charlieS: that stopped being true like... what, 2 years ago?

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fryfrog:

on an HDTV

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fryfrog:

DVI -> HDMI cable

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charlieS:

okay, what hardware do you use for capture and video out??

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charlieS:

(yay, btw!)

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fryfrog:

I have 2x air2pc HDTV pci cards and 2x HD STBs (using firewire)

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fryfrog:

And the video card is a GF4 w/ DVI out

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charlieS:

the GF4 outputs real 1080i? (or 720p)

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fryfrog:

720p is 1280x720

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scopeuk:

isent p generaly consdiered superior to i

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charlieS:

generally..

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fryfrog:

hardly a struggle for any video card

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charlieS:

hrm, I have a directv HD STB, don't think it has firewire outputs. how do you change channels?

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fryfrog:

firewire :)

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fryfrog:

capturing hd from anything but OTA and firewire isn't possible though :(

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fryfrog:

so satalite hd isn't very likely

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charlieS:

ah. dammit.

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fryfrog:

i *think* there is a US law requring cable companys to have wroking firwire ports

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charlieS:

why can't I just capture via component/DVI? Still no cards that can do that?

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fryfrog:

but i don't know if the same is true for sat

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fryfrog:

charlieS: there are, but they are very expensive and not consumer cards

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charlieS:

well dammit.

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fryfrog:

you could look around for a firewire sat reciever

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rene_:

something seems to have changed with kernel 2.6.18 – need to recompile to get piix to claim IRQs before ide-generic. ough

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charlieS:

I guess I can just settle with getting PVR functionality for SDTV.. assuming I can get it to change channels properly.

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fryfrog:

you can use serial or irblaster to change channels, not that hard

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charlieS:

cool, I assumed.

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fryfrog:

but it'd be worth getting fire wire working, it is awsome compared to rca/svideo input from an mpeg2 card?

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fryfrog:

er, no ?

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** charlieS looks at the STB real quick **

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charlieS:

weird, there's a USB port, but that's all.

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fryfrog:

course, with cable you can ask them for different boxes :(

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fryfrog:

but you bought your directivo, right?

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charlieS:

I wish I could get cable again.

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fryfrog:

i hate comcast :)

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charlieS:

no, I just have the directv HD box. Didn't want to spend $500+subscription.

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fryfrog:

ah

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charlieS:

thanks for the info.

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Mattwj2005:

hey guys....

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Mattwj2005:

I am thinking about rebuilding my mythtv box

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Mattwj2005:

how hard is it to install mythtv with ubuntu?

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Mattwj2005:

I was thinking of compiling from source....sorry about the flood

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xris:

Mattwj2005: not hard as long as you have the dependencies.. which you should be able to grab easily enough for ub

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Mattwj2005:

actually I'll probably use kubuntu :)

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xris:

same difference. heh

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Mattwj2005:

I'll have to compile a kernel though

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Mattwj2005:

never done that in kubuntu

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xris:

why would you need to do that?

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Mattwj2005:

for pchdtv-5500 and pvr-150 support

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fryfrog:

modules!

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xris:

shouldn't need to

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xris:

just need to compile the modules

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fryfrog:

but nothing wrong with compiling a kernel if you want

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fryfrog:

i considered ubuntu for my parents... but i went with gentoo cause i was familiar with it

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charlieS:

which, in ubuntu, means you have to apt-get install gcc, kernel-headers, etc.

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fryfrog:

so really, the best distro is the one you know :)

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Mattwj2005:

I am use to debian

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fryfrog:

then ubuntu would probably be a cinch for ya :)

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Mattwj2005:

yeah should be :)

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scopeuk:

isent ubuntu debian for windows users?

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fryfrog:

i *know* gentoo, so installing and setting it up is easy :)

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Mattwj2005:

kubuntu or ubuntu is people linux :)

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charlieS:

yes, they take debian-unstable every 6 months and apply their changes. not much different, under the gnome gui.

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scopeuk:

i like debian apt is nice

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scopeuk:

thing is i hate gnome

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scopeuk:

like being able to use kde/fluxbox/icewm

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scopeuk:

anythign but gnome

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charlieS:

you can install KDE via apt..

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** xris wishes ONE of the window managers would support all of the features he wants. **

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scopeuk:

i jsut have kde and gnome isntalled which means al the libraries etc are also isntalled

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scopeuk:

hence k apps work in gnome and vice vs

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scopeuk:

looks ugly but it works

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scopeuk:

heh who needs a wm any way

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scopeuk:

x and cli thats where its at ;-)

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xris:

scopeuk: I like my virtual desktops and keypad access to them. :)

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xris:

I do live in the cli most of the time, though. giant console window.

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rene_:

gotta go now – reboot with the new kernel and hopefully DMA

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sm00th:

hey, if someone is running myth .20, will you please do the following: mysql> SELECT data FROM settings WHERE value = 'DBSchemaVer';

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sm00th:

and give me the results?

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Mattwj2005:

man I love HBO and Showtime :)

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Mattwj2005:

I am watching Serinity right now

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sm00th:

would anyone mind giving me that version number please so I can restart my mythbakend? I somehow ruined that table

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scopeuk:

Mattwj2005 serenity is cool

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fryfrog:

sure, sec

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Mattwj2005:

yeah never seen it before

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Mattwj2005:

I love scifi :)

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fryfrog:

1160, but this is from gentoo running the -fixes branch

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sm00th:

fryfrog, thanks. what are the fixes branch?

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sm00th:

I'm not doing that, but I am on gentoo

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fryfrog:

did you emerge it?

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sm00th:

yeah

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sm00th:

with ~x86

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fryfrog:

media-tv/mythtv-0.20_p11444

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fryfrog:

thats the version i'm running

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sm00th:

[ebuild R ] media-tv/mythtv-0.20_p11444

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sm00th:

looks the same

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sm00th:

sweet, thank you

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fryfrog:

np :)

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sm00th:

YEAH

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sm00th:

I got it

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sm00th:

man I was ruined there for a few hours ;)

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Mattwj2005:

so has anyone done anything fun lately?

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scopeuk:

got to set i virus lose on an xp install

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scopeuk:

s/i/a

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Mattwj2005:

that is fun :)

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scopeuk:

beyond that meh took a few photos of the buildigns aroudn the uni

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Mattwj2005:

sounds like fun

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scopeuk:

ive been playign wit ha google earth kml that adds trafic cams from roudn the city as over lays

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scopeuk:

its nice beign bigbrother

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Sinistrad:

anyone been able to get the ivtvdev x driver working on ubuntu edgy (x.org 7.1.1) with a pvr-350?

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fryfrog:

scopeuk: dang, where'd you find that?

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scopeuk:

fryfrog was on the bbs for google earth

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fryfrog:

ah

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scopeuk:

im off night all

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Mattwj2005:

goodnight

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monkeypet:

I didn't realize how slow the xbox frontends are!

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xris:

xbox isn't exactly a powerhouse

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monkeypet:

Just navigating the menus takes secs!

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tjcarter:

that's problematic

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monkeypet:

What the hell is it doing that is intensive when navigating the menus!

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xris:

monkeypet: do you have opengl menus turned on?

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monkeypet:

xris: Nope...

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xris:

odd. that's usually the only thing that shows the menus down

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monkeypet:

oh well, my mother-in-law still thinks the shows are being recorded to tape, so she won't care if it takes a few menus to navigate the menus. lol.

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xris:

hahaha

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xris:

at least yours doesn't shut off the cable box while you're on vacation

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xris:

thankfully that won't matter now that they have code to check if the box is on and turn it on if needed (firewire rocks)

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monkeypet:

i gotta try to get firewire working, I hate analog cable!

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Aid`:

y

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Aid`:

whats so bad about it

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xris:

monkeypet: it's really easy as long as your provider doesn't try to screw you

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monkeypet:

Aid`: it is more expensive than digital.

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xris:

monkeypet: analog is more expensive? where?

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fryfrog:

digital over firewire rocks :)

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fryfrog:

It has halved the size of most of the SD shows

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fryfrog:

half hour of south park is like 600–700mb, where as it was 1.1 – 1.2G on a pvr250

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fryfrog:

course, i didn't tweak my settings on the pvr250 or anything

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monkeypet:

I had to move my backend from the living room to the garage today, it started to sound like a tank with all the hds in it...

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fryfrog:

Are there any guides to good values for transcoding bitrates?

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xris:

fryfrog: nuvexport's defaults. :)

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fryfrog:

I'd like to start mucking about, but i coudln't find anything on the wiki

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xris:

if you have firewire, just use the lossless stuff

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fryfrog:

Are nuvexport's defaults easily ... translated into the settings in myth?

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xris:

not really

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fryfrog:

xris: well, actually what i'm trying to do is change an HDTV mpeg2 into ... something not HD

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xris:

if you want myth internal transcoding, use mpeg4, turn on all of the extra goodness, and then just choose your bitrate to whatever you want.

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fryfrog:

i've copied it over to my parents "test" mythbox

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xris:

fryfrog: ahh..

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fryfrog:

but its a 1400xp so it can't actually *play* the hd

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fryfrog:

what bitrate would you suggest?

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fryfrog:

and the last two options in mpeg4 say "this is experimental and may cause damaged video" :(

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ElTornado:

hello everyone

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ShockValue:

you know, i see all these xine outputs (speaking on playing video's through mythtv) listing libdvdcss. i have this installed, but my xine output doesn't mention this library

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ShockValue:

is there a flag or something i have to use to get it to use that?

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monkeypet:

Can I safely kill atd crond and lpd

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xris:

monkeypet: depends on if you like cron, etc.

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xris:

lpd is theoretically a printer daemon, so that should be safe. odd that you're not running cups, though

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charlieS:

is the only way to control playback through the web interface? (i.e. are there remotes that can be used?)

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GreyFoxx:

mythweb doesn't control playback

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charlieS:

oh

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GreyFoxx:

It's for scheduling and such mostly

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charlieS:

spose I could just get an RF keyboard/mouse.

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GreyFoxx:

Most people use remotes or keyboards

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charlieS:

ah! remotes! /me searches the website for supported ones.

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GreyFoxx:

Myth doesn't support any

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GreyFoxx:

myth using lirc, so that's what you need to check

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GreyFoxx:

s/using/uses/

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fryfrog:

chances are you can use almost any remote, even perhaps your current one

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charlieS:

I see. Yay for manually configuring keys ;-)

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ShockValue:

fryfrog: that broadcast tip you gave me is still going strong :)

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ShockValue:

i just went through and customized all my menus, so it's really starting to shape up now

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ShockValue:

if i can just figure out how to rip DVDs to ISO properly so Xine can handle them, i'll be in great shape >:)

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|splat|:

is there a way to have my system boot right in to mythtv without requiring login?

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GreyFoxx:

I just call startx at the end of my init scripts

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GreyFoxx:

and my window manager auto starts mythfrontend

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drew_kay:

startx and just have mythfrontend in your xinitrc file

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GreyFoxx:

I put this at the end of my init scripts

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GreyFoxx:

if ! grep noautologin /proc/cmdline 1> /dev/null 2> /dev/null ; then

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GreyFoxx:

echo "Launching XWindows"

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GreyFoxx:

su – mythtv -c "bash -l startx — -dpi 100" &

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GreyFoxx:

fi

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|splat|:

ok

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GreyFoxx:

and then just configure my window manager to start mythfrontend (which varies from wm to wm)

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|splat|:

are there howto's online?

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|splat|:

i can't find any

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GreyFoxx:

howtos for what ?

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|splat|:

how to configure the window manager

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GreyFoxx:

Well,you could start by going to the docs for your windowmanager ?:)

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drew_kay:

If you don't use X for other things you don't even need a window manager.

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GreyFoxx:

not using at least a minimal window manager is asking for trouble if you use anything but just myth. So if you call an external app for mythgame, mythvideo or mythdvd you are asking for focus problems

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GreyFoxx:

You aren't saving much if anything by not using at basic minimal window manager

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drew_kay:

k

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drew_kay:

didn't know that.

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|splat|:

so if i use fluxbox

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|splat|:

do i still use the line you pasted above in my xinitrc, or do i have xinitrc start fluxbox, then i have fluxbox start myth?

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GreyFoxx:

splat1: The stuff I pasted is what I put in my system boot init scripts, not in my window manager or X configuration

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|splat|:

ahhh

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GreyFoxx:

my init script starts X, x starts icewm via my .xinitrc, and icewm starts mythfrontend via it's startup script

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|splat|:

ok i see

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RandomDude16:

hey.

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RandomDude16:

I need to get my remote working in myth.

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RandomDude16:

I got it working but need to get it set up in myth.

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RandomDude16:

its the newer MCE remote.

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monkeypet:

RandomDude16, what's the problem?

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RandomDude16:

Not working in myth.

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RandomDude16:

But works when I do irw in the terminal.

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monkeypet:

RandomDude16, what have you tried, done?

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RandomDude16:

http://hyams.webhop.net/mythtv/myth_ubuntu.html

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RandomDude16:

Followed that.

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monkeypet:

RandomDude16, did you setup the lircrc files?

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RandomDude16:

Yes, I downloaded their file.

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RandomDude16:

and moved it where they wanted me to move it.

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monkeypet:

RandomDude16, did you edit the file?

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RandomDude16:

no.

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monkeypet:

RandomDude16, make sure the buttons correspond to the values printed by irw

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monkeypet:

RandomDude16, this differs from remote to remote.

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RandomDude16:

Are there a file already done for the remote I have?

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monkeypet:

No idea, but a visual examination of the file can tell you if you need to tweak it.

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Mattwj2005:

mmmm custom kernel :)

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Mattwj2005:

well this should be my first kubuntu kernel

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Mattwj2005:

anyone here?

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drew_kay:

I am but I'm still a n00b. :) First day with a 'working' mythtv setup.

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Mattwj2005:

oh okay

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Mattwj2005:

what type of system do you have?

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Mattwj2005:

:)

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drew_kay:

I jumped into MythTV by doing a backend based off a Gentoo on a dually Athlon MP 2800+ and a front end based off a VMware image of Gentoo running under XP Pro x64.

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Mattwj2005:

hmmm

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Mattwj2005:

tell me more about this VMware image :)

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Mattwj2005:

I won't mind trying that

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drew_kay:

It's a great way of testing things before you go live on a real machine.

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Mattwj2005:

I was thinking it would be a great way to run a frontend under windows

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drew_kay:

It's quite slick.

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Mattwj2005:

probably won't be fast enough for HDTV though

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Mattwj2005:

I have a P4 3.3 Ghz

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drew_kay:

The frontend doesn't do a lot of heavy work.

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Mattwj2005:

*3.33

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ShockValue:

bah, i give up.. im just going to rip the VOB instead of the ISO.. i cant get any iso to play after trying for 3 days

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drew_kay:

amd64 X2 3800+ for me.

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Mattwj2005:

sounds nice

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drew_kay:

a couple of local mythtv'ers I know out here use Via Epia's for the frontend w/ HDTV. Seems to work fine. And dead quiet.

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Mattwj2005:

nice

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Mattwj2005:

was the vmware frontend hard to make?

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drew_kay:

Not really. The tricky part is setting up the VMware image. After that it's like any other new install of Linux.

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Mattwj2005:

will the free vmware player work?

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drew_kay:

If you have an image premade, yup.

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Mattwj2005:

how do you create an image?

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GreyFoxx:

Or getsomeone to make a empty new vmimage for you. then start it under vmplayer and install the distro

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drew_kay:

That works.

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drew_kay:

I installed a trial of workstation and rolled my own.

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drew_kay:

It's a tad more flexible that way because you can define all the virtual hardware exactly how you want.

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drew_kay:

But yeah, once that was done the install of Myth's frontend was pretty painless.

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Mattwj2005:

I remembered that I bookmarked something....

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Mattwj2005:

you guys might want to check it out....I have never tired it :)

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Mattwj2005:

http://www.easyvmx.com/easyvmx.shtml

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drew_kay:

My only problem right now is a segfault in X/xinitrc when I go to certain screens in Myth. It's consistent and I think it has something to do with my not having an actual TV tuner card installed. I just have a ConvertX device installed that I had lying around (it's myth compatible but not a tuner).

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drew_kay:

Matt: I like. :)

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GreyFoxx:

Mattwj2005: Nifty if you don't have a copy of server/work station (which I have). Plus I think server is free now

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GreyFoxx:

and the vmx files are plain text so you can make them by hand :)

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Mattwj2005:

lol

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Mattwj2005:

sweetness :)

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drew_kay:

Server is now free too.

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drew_kay:

And VMware may have a bug on their site that lets you request additional free trials of workstation from the same account.

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drew_kay:

Matt: When you do create a vmx file from there, use bridged mode on your network card. The image then becomes just another pc on the network.

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Mattwj2005:

okay thanks

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Mattwj2005:

:)

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drew_kay:

Saves a lot of headaches I found.

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Mattwj2005:

is that the one that you select your nic name?

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Mattwj2005:

besides bridged of course :)

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drew_kay:

"Device Enabled Connection Type VirtualDevice" Under connection type

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Mattwj2005:

what for virtualdevice type?

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drew_kay:

Either vlance or Pro/1000

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drew_kay:

I use the vlance but that's because I figure the driver is more mature in 2.6.x but does it really matter? Probably not.

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ShockValue:

what format does the album art need to be in for mythmusic to pick it up? currently i just get a black screen (not a "?")

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Mattwj2005:

man this vmware rocks :)

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drew_kay:

It's sweet.

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Mattwj2005:

it would be great if we could have MythTV vmware release

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Mattwj2005:

oh well I'll make my own

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mchou:

Mattwj2005: huh??

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mchou:

mythtv and vmware?

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Mattwj2005:

yeah

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Mattwj2005:

it would be nice for windows :)

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mchou:

hell no

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Dagmar:

ShockValue: look at the README for the plugin

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drew_kay:

mchou: We're discussing building mythtv in VMware. In my case just the frontend.

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mchou:

drew_kay: building mythtv in windows?

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mchou:

via vmware?

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drew_kay:

Just the frontend in VMware.

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mchou:

sigh....

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mchou:

come on be specific

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drew_kay:

Okay. :)

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mchou:

running the frontend or building the frontend?

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drew_kay:

It's gentoo so both. :P But yeah, running the frontend from within a VMware image/window.

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mchou:

lameness

[06:05:36]

drew_kay:

How so?

[06:05:57]

mchou:

if you're running gentoo why would you need to build any linux bin in vmware?

[06:06:41]

Dagmar:

Because overly-complex is The Gentoo Way

[06:06:50]

drew_kay:

Because I have to run windows on my main PC for 'domestic reasons.'

[06:06:50]

mchou:

Dagmar: no doubtt

[06:07:16]

mchou:

drew_kay: yeah whatever

[06:07:42]

mchou:

drew_kay: ever heard of ssh?

[06:07:51]

Captain_Murdoch:

main reason to run vmware is so you can startup multiple VMs then run distccd inside them so your compiles go faster... j/k :)

[06:07:59]

mchou:

haha!!

[06:08:07]

drew_kay:

lol

[06:08:09]

Captain_Murdoch:

actually I use a VM as a test dev slave backend.

[06:08:26]

mchou:

Captain_Murdoch: gotta make use of those cores and virtualization :)

[06:08:31]

drew_kay:

I use VMware to test thinsg before I drop them onto production boxes.

[06:08:41]

mchou:

Captain_Murdoch: extra* cores

[06:09:34]

drew_kay:

And before we go any further, I am not a gentoo ricer. I use gentoo because I like the distro despite it's rep.

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mchou:

drew_kay: haha!

[06:09:53]

mchou:

drew_kay: yeah whatever

[06:10:24]

mchou:

gentoo+vmware= ricer

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Mattwj2005:

I would love to play around with gentoo if the inital install was easier

[06:10:32]

mchou:

ricer^2

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ShockValue:

it is easy, its just not short.

[06:11:29]

mchou:

damn shit on the phone is undocumented

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drew_kay:

mchou: Not hardly.

[06:12:29]

drew_kay:

VMware serves as a test platform before I do anything major on the server.

[06:12:42]

mchou:

drew_kay: haha!!

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ShockValue:

mchou: haha!!

[06:13:23]

mchou:

ShockValue: is there an echo in here?

[06:13:44]

ShockValue:

yeah, cause you keep saying that to drew.

[06:14:21]

mchou:

ShockValue: it's because drew keeps on making preposterous statements

[06:14:26]

drew_kay:

This is the point where an immature gentoo ricer brat says F you all and runs from the room. :) I however am not and won't.

[06:14:47]

ShockValue:

since when is using vmware as a test platform preposterous?

[06:14:51]

mchou:

drew_kay: oohh, I'm so frightened!

[06:15:04]

drew_kay:

Shock: Exactly.

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Mattwj2005:

this is interesting

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mchou:

ShockValue: it's preposterous cause he might be encountering vmware bugs :)

[06:15:37]

Mattwj2005:

this fight is so good it should be on pay per view

[06:15:45]

Mattwj2005:

:-P

[06:16:14]

mchou:

ShockValue: there is no reason not to run a native linux beta server

[06:16:29]

drew_kay:

Lack of hardware?

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ShockValue:

i use both vmware and m$ virtual server at work to mess with test servers. I find them both quite handy.

[06:17:13]

Mattwj2005:

nothing wrong with vmware

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Dagmar:

I have a very simple answer to dealing with VMWare problems.

[06:17:28]

Mattwj2005:

nothing wrong to do it the other way either

[06:17:30]

Dagmar:

I just say "Call VMWare"

[06:17:36]

Mattwj2005:

it just depends what works for you :)

[06:18:01]

Dagmar:

Freaking buy a second machine and run your beta stuff there, but for god's sake don't bother developers with problems encountered on a VMware "server"

[06:18:45]

drew_kay:

Dagmar: I don't bother devs with bugs encountered in vmware.

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mchou:

I think we've established drew_kay is ricer^3 by now

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ShockValue:

which part of the code did you develop Dagmar?

[06:19:10]

drew_kay:

Shut up mchou. :)

[06:19:14]

Dagmar:

ShockValue: What does this have to do with _me_ developing code?

[06:19:30]

Dagmar:

ShockValue: But, you know, since you asked, I am one of the guys who makes Dropline "go".

[06:19:32]

ShockValue:

i dont see anyone in here bothering developers is my point.

[06:20:04]

mchou:

ShockValue: ricers bother just about everybody :)

[06:20:13]

Dagmar:

ShockValue: ...and well over half of the problems people have running under VMWare are either because of VMWare or their inability to properly configure VMWare.

[06:20:22]

drew_kay:

Dagmar: I don't bother devs when I encounter errors during a test run in vmware.

[06:20:30]

Dagmar:

Bothering other people with your VMWare problems also rates as "wasting other people's time"

[06:21:28]

Dagmar:

In any case, running a test on something *other* than the platform you intend for production is very *much* a wasted thing

[06:21:42]

drew_kay:

And in the case of this install of Myth it'll be moving onto real hardware once I can get the unit assembled.

[06:22:59]

ShockValue:

'feature exploration'

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Dagmar:

'experiment'

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mchou:

==ricer :)

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drew_kay:

LOL

[06:23:32]

mchou:

kinda like spoilers on thos ricer cars :)

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** Captain_Murdoch likes how Dagmar pulls numbers out of his hat like that, or maybe he pulls them out of somewhere else.... **

[06:24:25]

Captain_Murdoch:

so me testing my mods on a slave backend under VMware is a total waste of time....

[06:24:30]

drew_kay:

I own a jeep XJ. :P

[06:24:42]

drew_kay:

No ricer crap for me.

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Captain_Murdoch:

that's hillarious

[06:25:05]

Captain_Murdoch:

(not you drew, the testing under vmware part)

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drew_kay:

I know. ;)

[06:26:15]

drew_kay:

But mchou doesn't.

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Captain_Murdoch:

guess I better go buy another server because just because that patched mythbackend works under vmware doesn't mean it will work running on physical hardware....

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ShockValue:

but most of all, do it because mchou and dagmar say so.

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drew_kay:

LOL :)

[06:27:07]

mchou:

ShockValue: no, not because I say so.

[06:27:30]

ShockValue:

ok, dagmar says so. mchou says "ricer" a lot.

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mchou:

but because there is no reeason to introduce needless complexity.

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Captain_Murdoch:

ricerphobic

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mchou:

Captain_Murdoch: I beg to differ. I eat rice every day

[06:28:15]

Captain_Murdoch:

my vmware server running at home saves me 4 physical machines.

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** Captain_Murdoch didn't say ricephobic, he said "ricerphobic" **

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Captain_Murdoch:

:)

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** Captain_Murdoch likes egging people on at 2:30am **

[06:29:07]

Captain_Murdoch:

especially while waiting for something to compile. :)

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mchou:

Captain_Murdoch: this coming from someoneone who has more physical machines than virtually anyone else I find quite rich

[06:29:19]

Mattwj2005:

just think how cool vmware would be with 80 cores :)

[06:30:03]

ShockValue:

mythtv + vmware LOLZ!!!!111eleventyone!!1 http://www.warehousemotors.com/item_images/253-40230-1511.jpg

[06:30:08]

mchou:

Captain_Murdoch: any that's not counting your numerous thin clients :)

[06:30:22]

Captain_Murdoch:

mchou: huh? I only have 9 on in the house at the moment, one being the vmware server with 5 active VMs.

[06:30:26]

drew_kay:

Who would've thought a quiet discussion about running myth on vmware so we can take advantage of an elegant piece of software that makes Tivo look like crap would've provoked a raging argument on the benefits of vmware/virtualization.

[06:30:34]

mchou:

Captain_Murdoch: QED :)

[06:31:07]

mchou:

Captain_Murdoch: I'd wager most ppl here dont have more than 3 physical machines

[06:31:12]

Captain_Murdoch:

3 of those are frontends and 2 are backends, 1 firewall, 1 fileserver, 1 dev/workstation, and one vmware server.

[06:31:47]

drew_kay:

Murdoch: Dude.

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Mattwj2005:

sounds good captin

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mchou:

aarrghhh......

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drew_kay:

And I thought I was nuts about collecting machines.

[06:32:07]

Captain_Murdoch:

and only one is faster than 2.x Ghz (the vmware server)

[06:32:19]

mchou:

ahoy mateys

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Mattwj2005:

depends on what you mean "most people" a lot of people only have one computer or less

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Mattwj2005:

you know computer noobs and such

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mchou:

Mattwj2005: I said "most ppl here" (meaning this channel

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Captain_Murdoch:

yeah, but most people's 1 computer is faster than 4–5 of mine put together since they buy latest and greatest 3.x+ Ghz, etc..

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Type-R:

zoom

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Mattwj2005:

oh okay....sorry for the misunderstanding :)

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mchou:

Type-R: zoom zoom zoom.....

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Captain_Murdoch:

if you add all the Mhz in my backends and frontends together, it only adds up to about 3Ghz.

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drew_kay:

Shock: That car is brutal.

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mchou:

ShockValue: stupid commercials

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** Captain_Murdoch skips 'em **

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ShockValue:

i went a couple weeks without myth while i switched from directv to comcast.. it was painfull how many commercials there are in a program

[06:35:06]

** drew_kay adds up his MHz. 2x2100 + 2x (whatever core speed is an amd64 3800+) **

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** Captain_Murdoch goes back to working on Storage Groups. **

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Dagmar:

Pfft. I'm in the 20k's somewhere

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drew_kay:

So why do people hate Gentoo? Aside from the ricer image?

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Mattwj2005:

if it had a wizard setup I would install it :)

[06:39:15]

Mattwj2005:

even if it was only text based

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Dagmar:

it's basically the ricer image

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Dagmar:

...and that their users seem to know that most of their users are lost.

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Dagmar:

...so they dump Gentoo-specific questions everywhere but #Gentoo

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Dagmar:

...and the ricer image is _really_ bad. The dumbest users just flock right to it to get their omgoptimizations

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tuck3r:

-froll-loops!

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drew_kay:

And then the good Gentoo users pimp slap their sorry asses back to something sane.

[06:43:45]

drew_kay:

Something normal that most distros use.

[06:44:43]

Mattwj2005:

I like the emerge function

[06:46:03]

drew_kay:

Portage is probably the reedeming feature of Gentoo.

[06:47:18]

tuck3r:

portage is gentoo

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drew_kay:

I suppose. :)

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ShockValue:

i enjoy gentoo because its very easy to just install only the packages i want, and nothing more. mythbackend server running only the software needed to run mythbackend... web server running only the software needed to run apache.. etc

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ShockValue:

there's other distros out there that will do this too.. but gentoo is where i learned it.

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kennyt:

hmm, NVR: AudioInit(): /dev/null : error setting audio input device to 32000kHz/16bits/2channel ??

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Mattwj2005:

debian is pretty good for that as well

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kennyt:

i've set my audio device listings in mythweb to "ALSA:default"

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ShockValue:

kennyt: what are you tryingot play? video, tv, music?

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kennyt:

ShockValue: live tv

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Anduin:

kennyt: no ALSA for input

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kennyt:

"AudioOutputDevice" is "ALSA:default" and "MixerDevice" is "default"

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kennyt:

Anduin: does OSS work?

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Anduin:

kennyt: Yes

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kennyt:

i'm hoping to loop my mpeg encoder card's audio output into the system sound card, then have that regulate all volumes

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kennyt:

Anduin: does it have to be pure oss, and not alsa's oss layer?

[07:13:20]

Anduin:

kennyt: OSS emulation is fine

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kennyt:

ah, k

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ServerSage:

So does anybody know why mythbackend suddenly starts using 99% of the CPU?

[07:14:41]

ShockValue:

ServerSage, not mythcommflag?

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Captain_Murdoch:

ServerSage: using svn trunk head or 0.20 or what?

[07:14:55]

ServerSage:

ShockValue: Nope, I have that disabled.

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ServerSage:

Cap: Sorry, it's .20_p11444 on Gentoo.

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Anduin:

ServerSage: Tried with --noupnp?

[07:15:31]

ServerSage:

I did not see this using .19.

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Captain_Murdoch:

Anduin: not in that version probably

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Captain_Murdoch:

I didn't put that in -fixes.

[07:16:03]

Captain_Murdoch:

unless that pulls from trunk

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ServerSage:

Anduin: I have not tried that. mythbackend works fine for a while, but then after a day, maybe 2, it just starts using 99% of the CPU. Will --noupnp fix that?

[07:16:28]

Captain_Murdoch:

ServerSage: do you have any upnp devices on your network?

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ServerSage:

Cap: Yeah, kind of. My Xbox 360 supposedly is a upnp device.

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Anduin:

Captain_Murdoch: Yeah I typed and sent before reading

[07:17:40]

Captain_Murdoch:

I have a hack workaround, but I don't know enough of the code to know what the real issue is. that while loop needs to have a counter so it can break out if it runs too many times.

[07:18:31]

ServerSage:

Captain_Murdoch: That would kind of make sense. I do usually notice it after using my 360. Off the top of my head, there is a corelation.

[07:19:14]

Captain_Murdoch:

ServerSage: it's documented in a ticket. I tracked it down to the upnp code so I added the --noupnp option to SVN trunk. I think the guy who wrote the upnp code is looking into it.

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ServerSage:

Captain_Murdoch: Awesome. At least I know there is a reason and it's not just my insanity. :)

[07:20:13]

ServerSage:

Captain_Murdoch: Do you happen to know the ticket number?

[07:20:25]

Captain_Murdoch:

I think there are also some security holes in the upnp stuff. I think there should be a setting to turn it on and have it off by default.

[07:20:36]

Captain_Murdoch:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/2438

[07:21:40]

Dagmar:

What is the basis for this observation?

[07:22:01]

ServerSage:

Captain_Murdoch: That describes my problem EXACTLY.

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kennyt:

how does one tell mythbackend to use /dev/dsp or similar?

[07:22:46]

hatredx:

setup

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hatredx:

setup-general to be exact

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kennyt:

hmm, it still tries to use /dev/null

[07:24:43]

kennyt:

though the setup menu let me choose /dev/dsp and /dev/mixer

[07:25:22]

hatredx:

odd

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hatredx:

myth the only app with dsp issues?

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hatredx:

or have others been know to work?

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** hatredx is wondering about permissions **

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kennyt:

hmm, the mythbackend user has permissions to rw /dev/sound/* and /dev/snd/* and the /dev/dsp, etc., are all symlinks

[07:26:41]

kennyt:

and it can cat > /dev/dsp

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ServerSage:

Captain_Murdoch: I just confirmed it's my Xbox 360 causing the 99% cpu usage problem. So it is upnp.

[07:27:48]

Captain_Murdoch:

ServerSage: thought so. no solution right now unless you're running trunk and can use --noupnp

[07:27:56]

Captain_Murdoch:

thanks for confirming

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ServerSage:

Captain_Murdoch: Doesn't look like p11444 pulls from head. :( Guess I'm stuck waiting. Thank you for the info though. I can stop beating my skull on the desk now. :)

[07:29:00]

Dagmar:

Of course it doesn't pull from head.

[07:29:14]

Dagmar:

The fact that there's a release number should be a dead giveaway

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Captain_Murdoch:

I'll copy over the --noupnp to -fixes since it could qualify loosely as a fix. :)

[07:29:46]

ServerSage:

Dagman: So do you just sit there waiting to make snide comments?

[07:30:10]

Anduin:

I'm mostly sure Cardoe takes the odd patch and throws it in

[07:30:12]

Dagmar:

ServerSage: No, I sit here and remove bugs from other things, while I wait for an actual interesting problem to happen.

[07:30:19]

Dagmar:

Illiteracy isn't interesting, it's tragic.

[07:30:21]

Captain_Murdoch:

ServerSage: no, sometimes they're just stupid

[07:30:23]

ServerSage:

Captain_Murdoch: Anything that lets my backend actually participate in the build farm again counts as a fix to me.

[07:30:48]

Dagmar:

ServerSage: Are your widdle feewings hurt that I pointed out you ignoring the release number?

[07:31:01]

Dagmar:

Get over it. There was nothing snide about what I said.

[07:31:32]

ServerSage:

Dagman: Wow, you are a very bitter person. Somebody needs some time away from his computer. Perhaps a walk in the park would do you good. :)

[07:31:33]

Dagmar:

If you can type without drooling on the keys, you've gotta be smart enough to notice it. Momentary lapse.

[07:31:42]

kennyt:

yeah, i straced the backend, and right after it reads from the settings table, it tries to open /dev/null

[07:31:54]

Dagmar:

ServerSage: Just stfu noob

[07:32:47]

ServerSage:

Since God has decreed it, so it shall be. I am a noob.

[07:33:30]

Dagmar:

Yes, because noobs whine, which is what you're doing.

[07:33:46]

ServerSage:

Dagman: Yeah, 'cause you certainly aren't whining. :)

[07:33:54]

Dagmar:

No, I'm not whining.

[07:33:55]

Captain_Murdoch:

ServerSage: if your build pulls from -fixes, then you can reupdate and you'll have the --noupnp option in mythbackend now.

[07:34:24]

ServerSage:

Captain_Murdoch: Already whipping up the wbuilds to pull from svn.

[07:34:32]

ServerSage:

ebuilds, not wbuilds.

[07:35:17]

Captain_Murdoch:

trying to find the loop I was talking about, but can't seem to find it now that I'm looking again.

[07:35:30]

Dagmar:

Wait, lemme guess. This is a Gentoo user that doesn't realize that rnnnnn means release number

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** Captain_Murdoch has pity for Dagmar **

[07:38:01]

ServerSage:

Captain_Murdoch: I wasn't going to acknowledge him. But, since you mention it. Dagman: Grow up and let your balls drop. I've probably been an admin longer than you've been alive. Grow up. Get out and get fresh air. Sitting online 24/7 and bashing people isn't what life is about.

[07:38:30]

ServerSage:

Captain_Murdoch: Is the upnp in Myth going to be able to feed a 360 by chance?

[07:38:58]

Dagmar:

ServerSage: Doubt it little boy. I've been an admin probably since before you knew about the intarwebs

[07:39:03]

Captain_Murdoch:

ServerSage: not sure, I haven't worked on or even used that code. I think they want to support as much as possible though. it's under active development I think.

[07:39:52]

ServerSage:

Captain_Murdoch: Might have to go poke my beak in with the upnp people. Getting rid of one more thing in my entertainment center is always welcome.

[07:39:56]

Dagmar:

ServerSage: And I didn't start to get harsh with you until you started acting like an ass. I suggest you simply cease acting like an ass.

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** drew_kay shakes his head. And people wonder why I don't frequent IRC chat rooms anymore. **

[07:40:44]

Dagmar:

Maybe if you got out of the house more, you wouldn't get so bent out of shape when someone points out to you the fundamental concept that a numbered release is not likely to be SVN head.

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Captain_Murdoch:

drew_kay: yeah, sometimes free speech can let one moron ruin things for the rest of the people.

[07:42:20]

drew_kay:

Murdoch: Call me Drew. Everyone else does.

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Captain_Murdoch:

tab completion. :)

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kennyt:

it's right after it queries for VbiFormat that is chooses /dev/null for audio

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ServerSage:

Captain_Murdoch: Yeah, I apologize. Jerks just get to me. I'm all about helping people, and when some punk jumps on somebody for something as simple as version numbers, it gets my goat.

[07:43:03]

Captain_Murdoch:

ServerSage: wasn't referring to you. I wouldn't help you then slam you all in the same conversation. I'd wait till you were gone at least. ;)

[07:43:20]

ServerSage:

Captain_Murdoch: Hehe. Well, good to know.

[07:43:49]

Dagmar:

ServerSage: I did not "jump on you". Stop projecting your personal issues onto other people.

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ServerSage:

Captain_Murdoch: I really need to remember that ignoring people is way easier than acknowledging them.

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ServerSage:

Captain_Murdoch: It's amazing, I can turn my 360 on, wait 2 minutes, and bam. 99% usage. I didn't even put 2 and 2 together until now. Argh.

[07:44:54]

kennyt:

what's a working 'VbiFormat' value?

[07:44:57]

Captain_Murdoch:

I practice selective ignoring. I call it filtering. works great.

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Captain_Murdoch:

ServerSage: neither did we until I saw a few backtraces and someone then confirmed it with a profiler.

[07:45:42]

Dagmar:

...or acknowledging your own mistakes.

[07:45:52]

ServerSage:

drew_kay: Bad implementation of upnp is certainly bad. MS did a terrible job, and a few other choice companies I won't mention did a horrible job.

[07:46:36]

ServerSage:

drew_kay: MCE and the 360 is probably the worse upnp implementation I have seen. Hack job at best.

[07:47:33]

ServerSage:

Captain_Murdoch: What burns me is that upnp was implemented, but turned on by default.

[07:47:47]

drew_kay:

The simple fact that a upnp capable program could contact a upnp capable router and open/forward random ports without the user knowing just irks me.

[07:48:11]

ServerSage:

drew_kay: Yeah, sounds like a trojan for worm just dying to be written.

[07:48:23]

ServerSage:

Argh, time for bed. I mean or instead of for.

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Dagmar:

Bah, any program can do that

[07:49:23]

Dagmar:

Now, if the implementation explicitly allows for host B to contact router C and forward ports meant for host A to itself, then you have a problem.

[07:49:39]

Dagmar:

Otherwise, UPNP is local lan only, so it's a matter of security by lead pipe.

[07:50:13]

Dagmar:

i.e., you use a lead pipe on the head of users violating local policy (or ground them)

[07:50:41]

drew_kay:

There's nothing in the specs I've read that keeps a host B from doing exactly that.

[07:51:06]

Dagmar:

Yeah, that's down to implementation

[07:51:07]

drew_kay:

*keeps a host

[07:51:28]

Dagmar:

Either way, upnp is likely not something you want on your corporate network, but for home users it's fine

[07:51:57]

drew_kay:

Even at home I don't want it.

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kennyt:

ooh, new problem: NVR: Won't work with the streaming interface, falling back

[07:52:59]

kennyt:

now that the audio isn't going to /dev/null anymore...

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drew_kay:

At least in the corp environment's the admins keep an eye on things most of the time. At home the average user doesn't bother or doesn't know how.

[07:54:14]

Dagmar:

When did they add SetSpecificPortmappingEntry?

[07:56:11]

Dagmar:

drew_kay: By the way, it's in the spec that host B can *not* reassign mappings created by host A

[07:56:49]

Dagmar:

Your comment reminded me that there was something else in the spec I needed to look up

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drew_kay:

I must have missed that one. :)

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Dagmar:

I have a 1Gb thumbdrive that basically contains nothing but manuals and specs.

[08:01:27]

Dagmar:

...and RFCs and so on.

[08:02:04]

Dagmar:

Your comment threw me because I've not looked at the uPNP stuff closely in about three years or so

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octan:

hi all

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octan:

any norwegians in here?

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octan:

tv_grab_no dosent work.. any one got an idea why?

[08:07:58]

kennyt:

oh no, blank video and working osd!

[08:09:38]

kennyt:

"Parser not found for Codec Id: 94210 !" ?

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Juski:

time to make some more new highlight bars

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scopeuk:

Juski more?

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jblack:

Hi all. A green bar has recently started showing up in many, but not all, of my reordings.

[09:35:44]

jblack:

What sort of things an I do to diagnose the problem?

[09:35:49]

scopeuk:

is it always on the same channel?

[09:35:57]

scopeuk:

is it a digital or analog recording?

[09:36:09]

scopeuk:

just give us as much ifo as you can about it first

[09:36:42]

Dagmar:

...and are you framegrabbing?

[09:37:21]

jblack:

I originally thought it was one channel, though I have found one recording on another channel where its happened.

[09:37:21]

Dagmar:

It's great that people actually wait for responses to their questions.

[09:37:23]

Dagmar:

AH

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jblack:

This is with 0.20a. I'm not aware of using framegrabbing. I've got an old bt848.

[09:38:13]

jblack:

Another thing that I've recently changed is that I'm not transcoding all of my shows.

[09:38:41]

jblack:

pardon, am now transcoding.

[09:38:44]

Dagmar:

If you have a Bt8x8 card, you are framegrabbing.

[09:38:56]

jblack:

The greeen bar is showing up before transcoding, and is preserved.

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Dagmar:

Yeah, because things are misaligned.

[09:39:25]

Dagmar:

I suggest you just cut the line out when you transcode.

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jblack:

Hmmm. So transcoding at the same time that stuff is recording is bad?

[09:39:59]

Dagmar:

Only if you don't have enough CPU power

[09:40:33]

jblack:

The transcoding rate is lower than the recording rate.

[09:41:16]

jblack:

At the same time recording is gong on, the commercial skip jog gets run alongside. After the recording its transcoded. So its possible that there is transcoding from a previous job going on while the current job is recording.

[09:41:25]

jblack:

s/jog/job

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Dagmar:

This does not matter.

[09:42:36]

Dagmar:

The green line is caused by mistakes when you are recording.

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jblack:

It does look to me like the trancoder runs at a high nice level. somewhere around 18 or so. Shouldn't that just slow down and leave plenty of processing time for the recording?

[09:43:31]

Dagmar:

Yes, and it still has nothing to do with where your green line is coming from.

[09:43:41]

jblack:

Oh, I'm sorry. I misunderstood.

[09:44:14]

jblack:

What's the mistake I'm making during recording?

[09:44:32]

jblack:

That's a bad question.

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Dagmar:

Videos are recorded from a BTTV card through a process called framegrabbing.

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jblack:

What some of the more likely mistakes that I could be making? This used to work fine prior to .20a and transcoding jobs.

[09:45:27]

Dagmar:

I have no idea, but I will at least save you some time by explaining

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** jblack listens carefully **

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Dagmar:

As an aside, this is one of the reasons why I consider BTTV cards extremely unsuitable

[09:46:18]

Dagmar:

What happens with the BTTV cards is that X opens a "window" of memory and lets the tuner card write to it directly.

[09:46:37]

jblack:

Its an old card that I purchased in the 90s. I knew that it was suppoirted by the kernel though.

[09:46:45]

Dagmar:

Basically, it literally reserves a chunk of the display area for the picture, and tell the bttv card where this chunk of memory is so it can write to it

[09:46:58]

Dagmar:

Yeah, supported for viewing TV

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jblack:

Ok. I don't have X running on the backend server, so presumably the kernel is doing the frame buffering (much as it would do with a video card)

[09:47:37]

Dagmar:

Myth records from these things by literally just copying the memory that the tuner card is writing to, at a schedule that hopefully means it grabs each frame once

[09:47:40]

Dagmar:

i.e., framegrabbing.

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jblack:

ok

[09:48:13]

jblack:

I could see where that would be rather bus intensive.

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Dagmar:

You're getting a green line because the driver or hte kernel or X or something is screwing up and telling your BTTV card that the image should be overlaid one line lower than it's supposed to

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Dagmar:

...which is why I'm saying it'll be easier to just chop that upper edge off when you transcode than it would be to track down exactly what's going wrong

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jblack:

Oh, the bar is much thicker than that. The range varies, but from 10–30 pizels.

[09:49:38]

Dagmar:

Check your syslog for anything weird coming up relating to the bttv card then

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jblack:

Nope. I lied. IT looks reasonably consistant in size. But certainly its several scanlines.

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** jblack looks **

[09:50:22]

Dagmar:

Alternatively you can try downgrading *just* MythTV to 0.19-fixes and see if the error goes away

[09:51:23]

jblack:

I found one error in syslog since oct 14:

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jblack:

Oct 15 01:47:26 localhost kernel: bttv0: OCERR @ 1f46001c,bits: HSYNC OFLOW OCERR*

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Dagmar:

Google that

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jblack:

omw

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Dagmar:

It's looking like exactly the sort of thing that would lead to the cause

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jblack:

Ohhh, all of the recordings happened after that.

[09:53:02]

jblack:

Nope. Here's one from before. Drat.

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scopeuk:

how often does that log get rotated?

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jblack:

Daily.

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jblack:

I have a weeks worth though.

[09:54:57]

jblack:

Ok. today I had one at 01:47. Yesterday I had 3 of them.

[09:54:59]

scopeuk:

so it may ahve happend over a week ago

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jblack:

and the day before yesterday I had this:

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jblack:

syslog.2.gz:Oct 11 23:27:27 localhost kernel: bttv0: timeout: drop=11 irq=2412291/2412291, risc=1f41601c, bits: HSYNC OFLOW

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jblack:

The first munged recording is from 1am this morning. The recordings from prior to that appear fine, though I may have removed one from a previous day with the same problem.

[09:56:59]

jblack:

Ok. So perhaps the hardware is now in a lightly inconsistant state. I'll restart the thing.

[09:57:19]

Dagmar:

Quite likely.

[09:58:12]

jblack:

Do you have any sort of recommendations to make for budget ntsc cards?

[09:58:26]

Dagmar:

Astonishingly, the Hauppauge PVR-150

[09:58:28]

jblack:

Or should I look at hdtv cards

[09:58:36]

Dagmar:

They're under $50 easily now

[09:59:18]

Dagmar:

Bleh. Prices went back up again. Looks like they're about $60 now

[09:59:36]

jblack:

I'll have to get whatever I purchased shipped. The only thing in the local stores are ati wonder cards, and for a high price at that.

[09:59:45]

jblack:

s/purchased/purchase

[10:00:05]

Dagmar:

jblack: That shouldn't be a problem. NewEgg.com, TigerDirect.com, there's a few others out there. ZipZoomFly.com

[10:00:12]

jblack:

Aye.

[10:00:38]

Dagmar:

Newegg tends to have the cheapest prices, or within 5% of them

[10:00:40]

jblack:

what's your opinion on sticking with ntsc cards for now?

[10:01:01]

Dagmar:

If you have "regular" cable, then they're fine

[10:01:09]

jblack:

I'm using broadcast.

[10:01:16]

Dagmar:

HD opens up a whole new world of confusion and regulatory annoyances

[10:01:43]

Dagmar:

You're using, like, an antenna?

[10:01:47]

jblack:

yeah. I picked up on that from my reading while going into myth.

[10:01:57]

jblack:

I'm using something exactly like an antenna.

[10:02:13]

Dagmar:

Well, I'd look into how many of those channels actually have HD signals then

[10:02:31]

Dagmar:

OTA (over the air) HD isn't quite as much of a pain in the butt to record as digital cable or satellite

[10:02:42]

jblack:

Acording to online tv guides, there's many. I'm not sure whether they would be easier or harder to pick up

[10:03:05]

Dagmar:

How many broadcast TV stations are in your area anyway?

[10:03:20]

jblack:

16, 28, 44, 56. So, 4.

[10:03:23]

Dagmar:

There's only like eight here, and that's if you count the crappy UHF ones

[10:03:35]

jblack:

Its _all_ uhf here.

[10:03:37]

Dagmar:

No VHF channels in your area?

[10:03:38]

Dagmar:

Wacky

[10:04:00]

jblack:

Well, there is a religious nut on 7.. I'm not sure that he's licensed though.

[10:04:31]

Dagmar:

heh

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jblack:

Its mountainous territory out here. I think VHF, being a higher frequency, requires line of sight.

[10:04:43]

Dagmar:

Pretty much

[10:04:46]

Dagmar:

That would explain the UHF then

[10:05:26]

jblack:

I did notice that many of the channels out here seemingly have 2 or 3 hd channels for each ntsc broadcast.

[10:05:47]

jblack:

I'm concerned though that just because I can pick up the one ntsc broadcast, that I wouldn't be able to pick up the hdtv broadcasts.

[10:06:27]

jblack:

is that a typical concern?

[10:06:29]

Dagmar:

Only one way to find out (or you could ask a neighbor who has an HD TV, if you can get close enough to their cabin)

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jblack:

In this town? Digital cable has only been here for a year.

[10:07:45]

jblack:

I'm half convinced that they didn't discover fire in the wyoing valley until the 19th century.

[10:08:24]

jblack:

Anyways, whats your feel for broadcast ntsc vs. broadcast hdtv? Is one either to pick up than the other?

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Dagmar:

It's about the same deal, afaik

[10:08:59]

Dagmar:

If you don't have any HD hardware I woudln't really bother with it tho

[10:09:31]

Dagmar:

LIke, unless you're watching on your monitor in 1920x1600 or you have a 1080-capable TV or something, I wouldn't bother going to the extra trouble

[10:09:35]

jblack:

I think my bigscreen can do hdtv. I don't have a hdtv antenna though, so... <shrug>

[10:09:48]

Dagmar:

Check it's manual

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jblack:

nah. I'd compress the hell out of it.

[10:10:13]

Dagmar:

A lot of the cheaper ones actuall downsample HD right back to 480i/p which completely defeats the point, IMHO

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jblack:

Heh. I'm downsampling ntsc right now. :)

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jblack:

I've gotten my transcoding down to about 100 megs an hour.

[10:11:34]

scopeuk:

what you watch it on a stamp sized lcd?

[10:11:37]

Dagmar:

Transcoding will always be a bitch

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Dagmar:

scopeuk: I was thinking that

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Dagmar:

jblack: If you're using a horizontal res of 480, you're not actually downsampling

[10:12:07]

jblack:

sco: Nah. various sized lcds as you'd expect with laptops.

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Dagmar:

NTSC is 525 scan lines, only about 480 of which actually carry a picture

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jblack:

I'm using a typical horizontal res of 320 x auto.

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Dagmar:

QIF?

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Dagmar:

Damn

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Dagmar:

You might as well be watching TV on your cell phone

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jblack:

Artifacts don't both me very much.

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jblack:

so, ntsc is 480x200 ?

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Dagmar:

Umm... if that's what youre watching on, then, um, don't waste your money on an HD tuner. Heh

[10:14:24]

Dagmar:

No.

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Dagmar:

NTSC is (whatever)x480, effectively.

[10:14:50]

Dagmar:

480 scan lines is sufficient to capture an NTSC signal

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Dagmar:

The horizontal resolution is just the sampling of an analog signal, so anywhere from 480 (which would be 4:3 pixels) to 720 would be fine

[10:16:31]

jblack:

I capture at 640x480 and transcode down to HQ: 480xauto (1400,3,10,3), 400xauto(1100,2,10,3), and 320xauto(600,2,9,3)

[10:17:19]

jblack:

Lost and Jericho get HQ. Most everything else (like news and kids shows) get LQ. Anything the kid gripes about gets MQ.

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jblack:

I'll be back in a moment. I'm going to restart the backend

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fish_:

re

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ivor:

/join #akademy

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ivor:

does anyone do cctv capture withe their backend?

[10:22:32]

Juski:

ivor: Kelerion does AFAIK

[10:22:57]

Juski:

I know it involves setting up a dummy video source

[10:23:45]

ivor:

Juski: cheers, I'll interrogate him then.

[10:24:08]

scopeuk:

intergorgation hmm whens my turn muahahahahahaha

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Juski:

put the soldering iron away scopeuk

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** scopeuk sulks **

[10:25:12]

scopeuk:

spose you want me to put down the blow torch too

[10:25:23]

Juski:

yes and the stanley knife

[10:25:29]

scopeuk:

:-(

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scopeuk:

lol

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Juski:

they have clubs for that kind of thing, I heard

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scopeuk:

yeh and every so often the police bust them up

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ikke_:

anyone know how to prevent gallery menu opening at startup if data dvd inserted in dvd-rom?

[10:28:19]

scopeuk:

or the militery depends on where you are

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Juski:

ikke_: disable 'detect media insertion' foobar thingy in the setup menus

[10:39:58]

ikke_:

Juski: damn i've been looking that kinda menu but can't find it. there is one in dvd settings, but it does not make effect

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ikke_:

Juski: ok keeps going for the myth-setup, i've been looking from frontend setup...

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Juski:

it's in the frontend

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Dagmar:

mythtv-setup should be thought of as basically a "configuration bootstrap"

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Juski:

DVD settings

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Juski:

'On DVD insertion' ....

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Dagmar:

It gets just enough information squared away to make it viable to fire up the frontend to do the "real" configuration.

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ikke_:

Juski: that's what i have tried previously, no difference

[10:44:11]

ikke_:

Dagmar: that's why i haven't touched that pretty much in two years... :)

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ikke_:

Juski: it's localized, but says pretty close to english: "do nothing"

[10:45:32]

Juski:

ikke_: no idea then sorry

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ikke_:

ok, will ask users email-thingy

[10:46:01]

Juski:

oh hang on...

[10:46:08]

Juski:

that setting is for dvd discs

[10:46:36]

Juski:

you might need the mythgallery settings instead ;)

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ikke_:

can't find similar in gallery setup

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Dagmar:

MythGallery needs adult content restrictions. Heh

[10:47:21]

grusy:

hello. i've upgrade to a new kernel and ivtv 0.8 but mythtv wont init the capture card. mythtv is 0.20.1 from svn

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scopeuk:

im sure it does Dagmar

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Juski:

just launch Irfanview for that.. instant slideshow

[10:47:31]

Dagmar:

scopeuk: Actually, it doesn't that I could find.

[10:47:49]

Dagmar:

scopeuk: And I definitely had reason to be looking. Heh

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ikke_:

Juski: this should be prevented: "Executing '/usr/bin/pmount /dev/hdb'"

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Dagmar:

A photographer I know sent me one of his recent shoots to bug me, and I punted it over to the MythTV box, and then realized I had no way to keep my gf out of it, or really explain it. :)

[10:49:11]

Dagmar:

Damn him for slacking off and smoking pot in high school only to become a (successful) nude art photographer.

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Dagmar:

grusy: This "new kernel" had better be 2.6.18

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Dagmar:

grusy: This "new kernel" had better be 2.6.18

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grusy:

it is 2.6.18

[10:50:51]

Dagmar:

So what's it saying into the syslog when ivtv loads?

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grusy:

all fine

[10:51:51]

Dagmar:

You're _sure_ about that?

[10:51:52]

grusy:

i can caputre the stream from /dev/video0 with mplayer

[10:52:15]

Dagmar:

I recommend pastebinning all 100+ lines of chatter it makes when it loads the module.

[10:52:32]

Dagmar:

Have you looked at what you've captured?

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grusy:

yes

[10:52:41]

Dagmar:

like, you're sure it's not just garbled data, right?

[10:52:49]

Dagmar:

Hmm...

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Dagmar:

Id' say the first thing to do then would be to go back to the source, make sure you're passing it --enable-ivtv, and then look _very carefully_ at the output of that to make sure everything went okay

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Dagmar:

er... referring to the configure script there

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Juski:

do you really have to say _enable_ for ivtv?

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Dagmar:

I think so

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grusy:

i think its default yes

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Dagmar:

I dont' know whether or not it's defaulting to on, and lately I've seen a lot of annoying issues like that

[11:01:12]

Juski:

yeah I don't think dvb is enabled by default

[11:01:27]

Dagmar:

Zach and I were really banging our heads against a wall yesterday because gnome-volume-manager is completly insane when it comes to telling the configure script where the console auth dir is

[11:01:41]

grusy:

ivtv support yes << default

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Dagmar:

If you say --enable-console-auth-dir (or whatever it was) it assumes 'yes' and set the variable that should otherwise be '/var/run/console' to 'yes'.

[11:02:36]

Dagmar:

...and yet the damn thing works, even though if you *don't* tell it that, it sets the variable correctly, pretends to enable it, but doesn't.

[11:02:45]

Dagmar:

I-n-s-a-n-e.

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Dagmar:

...and most of these behaviours obverted between 2.15.0 and 2.15.1

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Dagmar:

grusy: The next step once you're 100% sure it built right, is to look in the backend.log

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Dagmar:

HOPEFULLY it'll be saying something significant when it tries to initialize the cards

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grusy:

2006-10–15 12:57:26.412 mythbackend: Problem with capture cards: Card 1failed init

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grusy:

ERROR: no valid capture cards are defined in the database.

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grusy:

but the card is defined

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Dagmar:

Okay, no problem

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grusy:

in mythtv-setup itis shown correctly

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jblack_:

I don't suppose a mpeg decoder card can be used for transcoding?

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Dagmar:

jblack_: It could, if you had one

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Dagmar:

..and you were feeding it mpeg it could decode.

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jblack_:

I have a "Cinemaster Rev 2.2" card sitting on my desk.

[11:08:17]

Holocaine:

Does anyone have any tips for getting mythfrontend to work on 16:9 (PAL) TV?

[11:08:36]

Holocaine:

I seem to be losing a bit of the left-hand side of the display.

[11:08:51]

grusy:

adjust it in gui settings

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Dagmar:

grusy: So the most obvious thing there is that maybe the database thinks you were configuring a _different_ backend

[11:09:11]

ivor:

Holocaine: adjust your tv, adjust your X mode, or adjust the myth gui position.

[11:09:22]

jblack_:

it has various physial plugs on the back. SPDIF, Audio out, SV out, and C out.

[11:09:24]

Dagmar:

grusy: One of the problems that's obnoxious to fix is when you setup the backend with one name, and it identifies itself to the database using another

[11:09:48]

Holocaine:

ivor: Playing with the GUI position now. Do I trim the GUI size when I'm doing that?

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jblack_:

Also its got an audio in and out cable on the card.

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** Holocaine notes it also seems to get a lot worse when he goes into the setup menus. **

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Dagmar:

grusy: If you don't have a lot of data in there, you might want to take a shot at backing up the db, blowing it away and reinitializing it (all of this with mysql shut down, of course), and then starting over

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grusy:

i check my tables at the moment

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Dagmar:

grusy: did you perhaps change anything involving setting the _name_ of the backend?

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jblack_:

I don't exactly have a need to decode mpegs in my basement. But if I can use it to take the transcoding work, that would be cool. :)

[11:11:35]

Dagmar:

I'm not sure where it gets the name it uses from, might be that just changing the hostname of the machine will cause the issue

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jblack_:

btw, I have a bt878, not a bt848

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grusy:

nice. loading ivtv with parameters kills the network connection

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Dagmar:

fun!

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scopeuk:

grusy can you brign it back manually?

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grusy:

what do you mean?

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scopeuk:

the network how is it killed?

[11:31:03]

Holocaine:

Does anyone know if the DViCO FusionHDTV USB Nano is supported in Linux?

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grusy:

scopeuk network goes down with loading false firmware

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scopeuk:

but can you brign it back up with ifconfig/modprobe etc

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grusy:

Dagmar : got it. tuner changed with new ivtv from 0 to 1

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scopeuk:

or is it jsut dead

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grusy:

scopeuk : need to reconnect. only have ssh connection to my pvr

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scopeuk:

ouch

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scopeuk:

ok

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scopeuk:

i have mine setup for a serial console on my palmtop for jsut such emergencies

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grusy:

its no production server. i can restart whenever i need :)

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Juski:

serial console? wow. I knew I should've kept my psion 5

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scopeuk:

mine is ancient palm m105

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scopeuk:

worth about £15

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scopeuk:

god for two things

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scopeuk:

emulating an lcd and emulating a serial console

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Juski:

sounds cool :)

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GBee1:

Juski: got provisional accommodation sorted, sleeping on the floor of my sisters flat ;) assuming she has found a flat by that date

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GBee1:

return ticket is also reasonable enough, so I'll probably be there :)

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GBee1:

btw if anyone sees stuarta before me today, tell him that the "five-subtitle fixup" needs a couple of improvements before it's applied

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kieran491:

hi

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kieran491:

running a mythTV backend on one machine and i am unable to get my laptop to communicate with it any ideas why i cant get my laptop to connect to the MythtvBackend the laptop is running knoppmyth and the backend is running gentoo

[13:12:14]

scopeuk:

are they the same version

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scopeuk:

is mysql accesable over the network

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kieran491:

i am able to connect to the backend on anohter seprate computer running mythtv

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kieran491:

no ideas?

[13:16:26]

kieran491:

the mysql database is assecsable over the network

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kieran491:

ahh i think i got it

[13:20:07]

kieran491:

new question

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kieran491:

if one machine is traing to hop on the the mythbackend and your mythbackend Mysql server has a diffrent authentication method than the Mythfrontend Mysql client what would be one way you could fix this *Note that the Mysql Client cant be changed as the client is knoppmyth*

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Dagmar:

What other authentication methods are you using?

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Dagmar:

MythTV uses passwords, and passwords, and if you don't like that, then there's passwords.

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kieran491:

well

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kieran491:

it looks like

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kieran491:

my server is running 4.1 mysql

[13:33:15]

kieran491:

and the client is running 4.0

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kieran491:

but the client is running knoppmyth so i cant change that

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Dagmar:

This is all the same stuff then

[13:35:29]

Dagmar:

It's only the mysql server that deals with passwords

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Dagmar:

4.0 clients should be able to talk to 4.1 servers and vice-versa

[13:36:31]

Dagmar:

Pan

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Dagmar:

wrong channel

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kieran491:

well the myth client says somthing is wrong

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Dagmar:

What is "something"

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kieran491:

Client dose not support authentication protcol requested by server; consider upgrading mysql Cclient

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Dagmar:

...by "myth client" I assume you're meaning the frontend

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kieran491:

yep

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kieran491:

it on a seprate computer

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Dagmar:

Well, that sounds pretty straightforward, you should probably upgrade your server.

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kieran491:

my server is 4.1

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kieran491:

and i am able to get my other mythboxs to connect to it

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Dagmar:

Hrm... You have the latest KnoppMyth?

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Dagmar:

They probably shoudlnt' still be using 4.0.x

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kieran491:

well i am using

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kieran491:

knoppmyth r5

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kieran491:

i got that last nigh

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kieran491:

t

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scopeuk:

r5d1

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Dagmar:

Did you happen to *google* that message?

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scopeuk:

kieran491 you can upgrade mysql on knoppmyth if you want to

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scopeuk:

jsut dont expect it to be easy

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Dagmar:

Google the message it gave you

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Dagmar:

...add the word "knoppmyth" at the end.

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Dagmar:

It's a known problem, and it has a solution.

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Dagmar:

...although it shouldn't be happening

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kieran491:

i crawled all over there site to no resolve so its not that know

[13:42:07]

Dagmar:

Are you saying I'm making this up?

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Dagmar:

Google the phrase

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Dagmar:

I am looking at the solution on my screen.

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Dagmar:

People almost _always_ put the exact error messages into the text when the put up a web page about a problem.

[13:43:15]

kieran491:

i never said you where

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Dagmar:

...this makes even arcane syslog messages good search fodder.

[13:43:50]

Dagmar:

I only speak English, and a little Spanish and German.

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scopeuk:

disregading tiem and date stamps of course

[13:44:13]

Zider:

I speak english and bad english.. and swedish.. :)

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Dagmar:

*shudder* I'm lucky to be speaking anything at all right now

[13:44:55]

Dagmar:

About 10 minutes ago I was taking the batteries out of a *large* UPS and it turns out that at least one of the 40 was shipped fully charged.

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Zider:

ouch

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Dagmar:

My boss can kiss my butt on that project until I get some gloves

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scopeuk:

Dagmar oops?

[13:45:38]

scopeuk:

Dagmar old power cord and wire it to a lamp

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Dagmar:

scopeuk: It was an oops in the form of a bright flash and sparks going about two feet in every direction

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scopeuk:

yeh thas alwasy messy

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Dagmar:

This ain't some little APC

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** scopeuk only has a baby ups and its borken **

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kieran491:

lol

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Dagmar:

This is a Liebert unit that weighs (I kid you not) an easy 5,000 lbs

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scopeuk:

nice

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Dagmar:

40 batteries, each 12V, 500W

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Zider:

would using a UPS for the PC make it use more power than not having one?

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Dagmar:

Zider: Not really. UPSes do not draw a whole lot of power keeping their batteries charged

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Zider:

noticably more that is

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Dagmar:

Maybe as much as a 5W lamp

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Zider:

Dagmar: ah, good

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scopeuk:

it will be more becouse of the down adn up conversion

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Dagmar:

Charging the batteries probably uses more juice than you lose through a couple of transformers

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scopeuk:

but when your charging them you get both loses

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scopeuk:

transformers efeciency and energy diverted to recharing the capacitors

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scopeuk:

batteries even

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Tommck:

Can anyone tell my why my mythtfrontend process is running on ratpoison and just fails to display?

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Zider:

woudn't it die if it had rat poison?

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Tommck:

:)

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Tommck:

if it was a rat, maybe

[14:18:09]

Zider:

it's poisonous for other beings too ;P

[14:18:14]

Tommck:

yep

[14:18:31]

Dagmar:

Not really

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scopeuk:

i almsot made hte same joke then i thought no ill be mature for once

[14:18:48]

Dagmar:

You can eat about half a box of it and you'll get a massive case of Montezuma's Revenge

[14:19:02]

Zider:

scopeuk: mature? why? :P

[14:19:31]

Tommck:

damn...I just can't figure this out..

[14:19:42]

Tommck:

GreyFoxx had mentioned that it could be an nvidia driver issue...

[14:19:49]

Tommck:

so i upgraded frm 8762 to 8774...

[14:20:04]

Tommck:

then tried downgrading to 7184

[14:20:07]

Tommck:

nada..

[14:20:07]

Tommck:

same problem

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Tommck:

guess I could try another simple window manager... but it worked! I don't know what changed to make it stop working

[14:20:54]

Zider:

I use fluxbox

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Zider:

works nicly

[14:21:06]

scopeuk:

if your jsut using myth frontend you dotn need a windomanager iirc

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jams:

Tommck- thanks for the email, it worked well

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scopeuk:

although its more dificult to setup

[14:21:24]

Tommck:

jams – np

[14:21:33]

Tommck:

scopeuk – you do... sometimes there are focus issues, I think

[14:21:35]

jams:

not using a windowmanager is not advised. It will come back to bite you

[14:22:02]

scopeuk:

although it is technically possible

[14:22:18]

Zider:

a wm is nice to have for window focus and stuff, yes.. and making dumb windows stick to 0,0 instead of 2,10 or something ;)

[14:22:39]

jams:

possible and it does work, just as long as you use the internal player and not xine or mplayer

[14:23:33]

Zider:

has the internal dvd player been updated much lately?

[14:23:34]

Tommck:

ok..

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Tommck:

just installed and tried fluxbox... same problem..

[14:23:43]

Tommck:

wtf?

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scopeuk:

Zider belvie its been modified

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Zider:

last time I used it (in 0.19 I think) it pretty much sucked imo

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Zider:

on the other hand, I can't control the dvd menus in xine with just keyboard, which is pretty annoying as well ;)

[14:24:42]

Tommck:

is there a way to tell fluxbox to show me the list of windows?

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Tommck:

is it possible that mythfrontend is just displaying "off screen" ?

[14:25:38]

Tommck:

is there a way to auto-arrange the windows or something?

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** scopeuk wonders what the point is of the universities recommended high speed mirror when transfers from it are still capped at 60k/s **

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Tommck:

Zider – can I get a list of windows or autoarrange with fluxbox?

[14:27:22]

Zider:

Tommck: not with fluxbox itself no.. but there's an x app that can list windows..

[14:27:36]

Tommck:

Zider – which one? :)

[14:28:18]

Zider:

xprop I think

[14:29:02]

Zider:

ah no, that needs you to click the window.. hm..

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Zider:

Tommck: it doesn't show up in the toolbar?

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Tommck:

Zider – overscan... didn't know there was a toolbar

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Zider:

doh ;)

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Tommck:

Zider – no other ideas?

[14:39:35]

Zider:

nope.. :/

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Tommck:

damn

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Tommck:

weird thing... xine will display, so it's not really a problem with displaying apps

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Dagmar:

scopeuk: They're for when you figure out how to rope other people's machines into helping your download.

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scopeuk:

Dagmar im bringing a box with 6 nics back next tiem i go home

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scopeuk:

with a bit of look i can turn it into a multiwan load balancing router

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scopeuk:

then plug my box in beihind it and use it to do a net install of debian 64 off the high speed mirror

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scopeuk:

although that comes later

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stuarta:

afternoon all

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Juski:

afternoon stuarta

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Juski:

quiet day today

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stuarta:

yup

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ivor:

lets sing....

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ivor:

la la laaa la la laa la la

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Basstard`:

old man river..

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Juski:

0.21 – please release me

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stuarta:

hehe. It's been though of.

[15:08:29]

ivor:

are all "in-laws" a complete nightmare? or is it just me?

[15:08:40]

Juski:

they are indeed

[15:08:48]

Juski:

fact of life

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ivor:

I'm going to get my crossbow out.

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stuarta:

guaranteed...

[15:09:07]

Juski:

be sure to use a silver bow or they won't die

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Juski:

bolt I mean.. oops

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ivor:

teflon tipped silver

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Juski:

actually my inlaws aren't too bad – apart from the fact we don't have much to talk about

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scopeuk:

lol

[15:10:26]

** scopeuk is glad he doesentyet have in laws **

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Juski:

I don't go drinking 'doon the club' and I don't do football

[15:11:26]

Juski:

and it's taken me some getting over them finding a letter I wrote to Mrs J when we first started going out.

[15:11:58]

Juski:

but anyway...

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stuarta:

oooo scary concept.

[15:12:24]

Juski:

been tempted to switch to ubuntu once & for all today, but can't be arsed

[15:12:37]

scopeuk:

hmm some of use use 2048 bit aes for jsut such situations

[15:12:50]

Juski:

scopeuk: no good for handwriting, that

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stuarta:

i'm still trying to test the latest xorg 7.1, radeon drm/dri & myth

[15:13:11]

scopeuk:

Juski if youed see nmy handwriting youed understand why i dont

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Juski:

sopcuk fi tis anthgni liek yuro tpying...

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Juski:

:-P

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scopeuk:

Juski its worse than my typing

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scopeuk:

althoguh i dont tend to screw up word order so much

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Juski:

but hey now I know you've just not got used to your dvorjak keyboard yet

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scopeuk:

letter order even

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scopeuk:

think i should get a new keyboard one that will slow me down

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scopeuk:

maby make it so i cant hit more than one button at once

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scopeuk:

like wall sized or something

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Juski:

I'll get you one our IT dept at work give folks as standard. you'd not be able to type anything, let alone too quickly

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scopeuk:

lol

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** scopeuk is preparing to talk a computer illiterate friends through repairing a virus attack **

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** Juski has a pesky popup trojan he can't get shot of **

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scopeuk:

oh no this is a real one

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Juski:

the perils of surfing bareback & letting the mrs use the pc

[15:18:12]

scopeuk:

deployable package in a pif that hides under a redirection on a webserver

[15:18:20]

Juski:

oh dear

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Juski:

I got a trial copy of NOD32 & my system is still fast-ish.. pity it's a PoS this AV software though

[15:19:26]

Zider:

I like norton myself..

[15:19:31]

Juski:

all the usual suspects can't get rid of el trojan either.. but this install is like 2 years old so it'll have to have a re-graft

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Juski:

but before that I need to sort out my HDDs. massive job ahead

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PsychoI3oy:

hmm

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scopeuk:

he i had an infected xp vm runnign on my machine last night

[15:20:57]

PsychoI3oy:

guess I shouldn't expect this place to be horribly busy on a sunday morning

[15:21:08]

scopeuk:

sunday afternoon here

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scopeuk:

whats up?

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PsychoI3oy:

but of course

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PsychoI3oy:

mythtv and twinview aren't playing nicely

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Juski:

we're international here :)

[15:21:35]

PsychoI3oy:

i have a dual monitor setup

[15:21:48]

Juski:

2 X servers required methinks

[15:22:03]

PsychoI3oy:

finally got mythtv to stay on the 19" monitor by forcing it to the resolution of said monitor

[15:22:15]

PsychoI3oy:

but somewhere along the lines, it now kills my secondary monitor on startup

[15:22:22]

PsychoI3oy:

and I have to restart X if i want it back

[15:23:16]

PsychoI3oy:

unfortunately all the searches on the gentoo forums and mythtv wiki point me at making mythtv work on the TV out of an nvidia card, which is not what i want

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PsychoI3oy:

Juski, wouldn't that prohibit me from using both monitors as one big desktop space?

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netw1z:

whats the best way to transfer files from a windows machine to my Myth box?

[15:26:41]

Juski:

PsychoI3oy: probably yeah

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Juski:

netw1z: Samba

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scopeuk:

netw1z probably winscp

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netw1z:

im gonna rock with winscp

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scopeuk:

winscp is easier if you happen to have ssh isntalled

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scopeuk:

samab can be a git to configure

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PsychoI3oy:

if it's a oneshot deal, defiinitely winscp

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scopeuk:

if your gonan be doign it regular spend the time and sort samba

[15:29:05]

PsychoI3oy:

if it's continuous sharing, samba has a bit of a learning curve (ahem) but works great once it's up and running

[15:29:40]

Juski:

cp /media/tv-selectbar.png .

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PsychoI3oy:

hell, filezilla on the winbox and sshd on the myth box will work in a pinch

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Juski:

oops

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scopeuk:

so im not the only one that does that then juski?

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Juski:

nope

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PsychoI3oy:

mmmm sloppy mouse focus

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PsychoI3oy:

i love it so much, i got tweakUI to make my windows install do it, too

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Unicorn:

Hi all. Have a problem with 0.20 Live TV freezing. System is ok since I can exit back to menu, and then Live Tv again.

[15:37:06]

stuarta:

i prefer follow mouse to focus, but not have the windows pop up

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PsychoI3oy:

that's what sloppy focus is

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Dagmar:

Man, screw learning how to set up Samba.

[15:37:45]

PsychoI3oy:

your keyboard input follows the mouse but the windows stay where they are unless you click on them

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Unicorn:

I am not using a program guide, it seems it freezes when it reaches the next show mark

[15:37:53]

Dagmar:

Turn on SWAT (it comes with Samba) and use it to set up Samba.

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Dagmar:

It takes all of five minutes. It's probably faster than turning on filesharing in Windows.

[15:38:09]

PsychoI3oy:

Dagmar, even that can take a while

[15:38:15]

PsychoI3oy:

and it is faster cause you don't have to reboot

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Dagmar:

SWAT takes less than a minute to just run through and you know you'll have a working config

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PsychoI3oy:

but yes, I highly recommend the use of Special Weapons And Tactics when trying to network a linux box ;)

[15:39:08]

Dagmar:

Samba Web Administrtion Tool

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PsychoI3oy:

s/linux box/linux and windows boxes/

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Dagmar:

Like I said, SWAT ships with Samba. It's a part of the package.

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Dagmar:

Way many people seem to have no idea it's even there, and it's been in Samba for at least seven years now

[15:40:22]

PsychoI3oy:

i know, i used it for my first samba config

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PsychoI3oy:

http://localhost:901/

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PsychoI3oy:

(IIRC)

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Unicorn:

any one else experiencing Live Tv freeze with 0.20 ?

[15:41:37]

PsychoI3oy:

no

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PsychoI3oy:

this time around it worked out of the box, heh

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Juski:

cd /usr/share/mythtv/themes/ProjectGrayhem-wide/

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Juski:

arse!

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bluey-:

does mythtv compile with qt-copy?

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Zider:

I never even heard of SWAT.. until now.. :P

[15:52:12]

Unicorn:

any one using TV out through component on an SD TV ?

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jams:

there, just finished updating the my website. Should be good for another 5 months =)

[15:52:46]

Zider:

Unicorn: no, only composite and svideo

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scopeuk:

me and swat dotn get along

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PsychoI3oy:

that's not good:

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PsychoI3oy:

mythfrontend: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libmythtv-0.19.so.0: undefined symbol: glXGetVideoSyncSGI

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PsychoI3oy:

then again, the fact that X is compiling in the background may have something to do with that

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stuarta:

that comes from libglx

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PsychoI3oy:

ah, yeah, just recompiled mesa

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** PsychoI3oy stops messing with things while 'emerge -auDvNt world' is running **

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PsychoI3oy:

anyone got any ideas on my twinview problem?

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** nadia007 greets channel member **

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nadia007:

members*

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nadia007:

anyone using nxserver with knoppmyth?

[17:02:44]

Juski:

hahahaha this is going to be one almightily silly bootleg mix

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monkeypet:

nadia007, what is it?

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Juski:

evening Kelerion. could you send me the specs of the systems you're bringing t' expo please? wanna get the printing out of the way ASAP if poss ;)

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nadia007:

monkeypet, nxserver is like vnc on steroids...

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nadia007:

it's pretty cool from what I've read, but I'm having a heck of a time making it work!

[17:05:53]

monkeypet:

nadia007, Hm, I use x11vnc.

[17:06:16]

nadia007:

monkeypet, trying to get into my knoppmyth box via gui, but nxserver is already installed on the system.

[17:06:21]

Kelerion:

printing?

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Juski:

yeah.. gonna print stand-up cards to show the system components/specs.. we WILL get sick of people asking

[17:06:59]

** Kelerion chuckles **

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nadia007:

juski, you guys doing a show & tell or something?

[17:07:30]

Kelerion:

combo BE/FE..athlon xp 2800, 1gb, 400gb, pvr250

[17:07:45]

stuarta:

nadia007: a show, with lots of tell

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nadia007:

I bet!

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Kelerion:

nvidia 5200 using vga to 42" plasma

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Kelerion:

that cover it all?

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Juski:

http://www.linuxworldexpo.co.uk IIRC

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Juski:

Kelerion: if you could be more specific that'd be a great great help.. I'll find an example of what I did for LRL

[17:08:49]

nadia007:

Nice too bad it's in London!

[17:09:09]

Juski:

yeah well nadia007 all it takes is for peeps in other places to get off their behinds ;)

[17:10:26]

nadia007:

very true... I'm sure there have been expos of some sorts around here... slowly but surely the Linux intimidation factor is leaving me!

[17:10:41]

nadia007:

so I'm starting to take more notice

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Kelerion:

I think I know what you want Juski... give me a minute...

[17:12:55]

Juski:

coolio-cool

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Juski:

nadia007: well, I did my 1st expo not really knowing what to expect – we thought we'd have to take reading material or something

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Juski:

rushed off my feet I was

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nadia007:

I started tinkering with linux and ended up doing mythtv projects and vdr projects, now I have my entire dorm running ubuntu!

[17:14:44]

nadia007:

it's catchy!

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scopeuk:

nadia007 i give up when i have to explain how to fidn a copy of vlc on the iternet

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scopeuk:

and by this i mean for windows not linux

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nadia007:

scopeuk, you give up?

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nadia007:

scopeuk, explaining to people you mean?

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scopeuk:

i give up on the concept of tellign eopel about software os'es besides windows and the sutff it ships with

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nadia007:

ah... well.. it's kind of easy for me... the girls just look for what looks pretty!

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nadia007:

;P

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scopeuk:

nadia007 im in a flat with 5 other guys it needs to work it needs to be what they oready know and it needs to be able to access questionable websites

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scopeuk:

msn messenger is also needed

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scopeuk:

beyond that no one cares

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scopeuk:

well and 3 of us game

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nadia007:

lol... I've introduced vmware to a lot of the girls... they are slowly warming up to it... I installed xgl on my desktop and that sold it to a lot of them.

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nadia007:

I'm the only gamer here... most of the time the girls will just care to have something to write their papers on, surf the net and chat. But that's all possible on Linux so...

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scopeuk:

i dont like vmware too many virtual nics on my machine as it is

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scopeuk:

although qemu i like

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scopeuk:

have a winxp guest for doign virus removal dummy runs before doign ti wit hotehr people

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nadia007:

hmm.. haven't heard of qemu

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scopeuk:

it emulates a whole system so you can isntall another os etc

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scopeuk:

its a little slower than vmware becouse its a full emulator rarther than a virtualiser

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scopeuk:

but its open source and a nice small un obtrusive isntall

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nadia007:

hmm... will have to look into it..

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nadia007:

general question... if I'm in ssh how can I find the OS of PC I'm working on?

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nadia007:

I've tried uname -a but it doesn't really give me the distro.

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Dagmar:

Look in /etc/ for something named blah-version

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gp:

whats the best internal tv tunner card for mythTv ...i am on ubuntu

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nadia007:

mythtv -version?

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gp:

latest i guess

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nadia007:

kay... found it they're also running knoppmyth... is that like debian then?

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stuarta:

gp: first you better tell us what you are trying to get. dvb-t/c/s etc etc

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gr0mit:

hi – gr0mit here......having a spot of bother with a Twinhan dvb-t card...

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stuarta:

no cheese?

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gr0mit:

running Ubuntu

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gr0mit:

I get the following eror in dmesg....

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stuarta:

use a pastebin!

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gr0mit:

A frontend driver was not found for device 109e/0878 subsystem 1822/0001

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gr0mit:

'sok, only one line

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stuarta:

:)

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Zider:

one line is too much! ;)

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stuarta:

means that the kernel driver doesn't know about your card

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stuarta:

one line is fine. >3 isn't :)

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gr0mit:

i will paste a bit more then.... ;-)

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Zider:

*pastes his entire dmesg to stuarta, 3 lines at a time*

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Zider:

;)

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stuarta:

!trout Zider pastebin

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** MythLogBot slaps Zider with a pastebin trout on behalf of stuarta... **

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Zider:

yum, trout :D

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stuarta:

gr0mit: suggest talking to #linuxtv

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gr0mit:

http://pastebin.ca/204143

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gr0mit:

here is the problem in more detail from dmesg

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gr0mit:

there are suggestions on the forum about recompiling the kernel with a tweak to increase a timeout.....but was wondering if upgrading the kernel might resolve the prob.?

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gbee:

it might

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gr0mit:

am running 2.6.15–27

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gbee:

then again, it might be a new model which isn't yet supported by the driver

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Zider:

that's not exactly brand new ;)

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gr0mit:

nah. card is old

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gbee:

well then an old model, not yet supported ;)

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gr0mit:

it worked ok under debian on an older mobo

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gr0mit:

under a similar kernel revision

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gbee:

upgrading the kernel won't hurt – the dvb drivers are under continual development

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Zider:

2.6.18 is latest stable kernel

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flip987:

first off-- anybody familiar with XChat irc client

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Zider:

yes, somewhat

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flip987:

how to I respond with this client TO a particular person?

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Zider:

private message you mean?

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flip987:

naw-- for example message directed to Zider: in main channel

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stuarta:

just type it in that way

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flip987:

Zider: this is what I'm looking for

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xris:

flip987: um, type his name?

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Zider:

you just did it

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Zider:

:D

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Zider:

silly ;)

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flip987:

does that make the font color change in his client

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Zider:

that depends on his client

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xris:

flip987: depends on what client he uses, but yes.

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flip987:

Zider: ok — I'm an idiot

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Zider:

yes.. err, I mean.. nooooo

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Zider:

;)

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Zider:

we all have to learn sometime

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flip987:

ok — next question — I have myth .20 from ubuntu repos — nvidia binary drivers installed – pvr 350 and pchdtv cards installed

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flip987:

can't watch hd content with XvMC enabled without boatloads of NVP: prebuffering pause

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tuxi:

hi

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flip987:

and audio stuttering video plays back in slo-mo

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tuxi:

anyone can explain me the error

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tuxi:

[mpegts @ 0xa73767f0]Parser not found for Codec Id: 94211 !

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tuxi:

or a solution

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stuarta:

don't worry about it

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flip987:

2006-10–15 14:14:26.512 Video timing method: SGI OpenGL

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flip987:

/usr/lib/libXvMC.so.1: undefined symbol: XvMCCreateContext

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flip987:

2006-10–15 14:14:27.148 VideoOutputXv: XvMCTex: Init failed

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flip987:

2006-10–15 14:14:27.150 VideoOutputXv: XVideo Adaptor Name: 'NV17 Video Texture'

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flip987:

X Error: BadMatch (invalid parameter attributes) 8

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flip987:

Major opcode: 140

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flip987:

Minor opcode: 14

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flip987:

Resource id: 0x19a

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flip987:

2006-10–15 14:14:27.858 AFD: Opened codec 0x8501bc0, id(MPEG2VIDEO) type(Video)

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flip987:

2006-10–15 14:14:27.859 AFD: Opened codec 0x84fbfc0, id(AC3) type(Audio)

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flip987:

2006-10–15 14:14:27.860 AFD: Opened codec 0x8500740, id(AC3) type(Audio)

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stuarta:

flip987: use pastebin.ca !!!!!1

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flip987:

2006-10–15 14:14:27.930 Opening OSS audio device '/dev/dsp'.

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flip987:

2006-10–15 14:14:27.944 NVP: Enabling Audio

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flip987:

2006-10–15 14:14:28.542 NVP: prebuffering pause

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** stuarta puts his fingers in his ears **

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flip987:

stuarta: sorry

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tuxi:

stuarta, you talked to me

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stuarta:

surprised the server didn't boot you for flooding....

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stuarta:

tuxi: yes, you can ignore that error.

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tuxi:

mh.. thought thats the problem my tv wont work

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flip987:

http://pastebin.ca/204161

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stuarta:

flip987: much better thanks.

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tuxi:

and btw. is it normal that the backend blocks other apps to access dvb

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Juski:

yes it is

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stuarta:

flip987: try turning off the video GL Sync

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flip987:

staurta: thanks for the tip- I don't use irc much

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tuxi:

theres a way to disable this "feature"

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flip987:

staurta: in myth settings | playback, it is off — do you mean in nvidia-settings

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Juski:

tuxi: not unless you tell mythtv-setup to use only on-demand access to the dvb tuners

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Juski:

tuxi: but then it'll still mean that when myth is using the tuner nothing else can, and vice versa

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tuxi:

yes i remember that i saw sth like this

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Juski:

tuxi: it's not a mythtv 'feature, FYI. it's a limitation of the drivers

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tuxi:

yes but that it uses the dvb card the hole time

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Juski:

so what?

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tuxi:

even no frontend is running

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tuxi:

so its a "function" of mythtv

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Juski:

what's the problem? it's not as if you need to use other apps

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Juski:

I just told you that you can set mythbackend to only use the cards on demand

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tuxi:

yes i noticed

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Juski:

you can find the tick box in mythtv-setup, in the advanced section of the dvb tuner setup page

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Juski:

but... when you have the tuners 'on demand' it'll prolly mean livetv starts up a little slower

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Juski:

not much but maybe noticable

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tuxi:

think i seen this already but doesnt know the meaning

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flip987:

also — I have lotsa libXvmc.so in /usr/lib which one should I specify in /etc/X11/ /XvMCConfig --http://pastebin.ca/204168

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flip987:

currently XvMCConfig is using libXvMC.so.1

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flip987:

does anybody know which .so I should be using in my XvMCConfig?

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flip987:

when I make changes to the XvMCConfig, do I have to restart X, or reboot, or just restart myth

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flip987:

stuarta: you still there? I'm wondering whether I got muted- or nobody knows A's to my Q's

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flip987:

apologies-- I'm not good with irc netiquette-- can ANYBODY hear me?

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tuxi:

yes we can

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flip987:

tuxi: thanks

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tale_:

Is it possible to receive "digital cable" channels without the cable receiver using an hd tuner card? I understand I can view the analog channels, but I'd like to get the digital channels too.

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flip987:

tale_: I think the answer is 'unencrypted QAM256, yes- usually just what you would normally get with antenna' — depends on your hdtv card

[19:11:11]

tale_:

flip987, so most people just watch analog cable channels and ota hdtv channels?

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flip987:

tale_: that's what I'm doing

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tale_:

do all of you analog cable channels come in clear?

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tale_:

most of mine do, but quite a few are fuzzy

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flip987:

tale_: sometimes you can use myth to control your STB or pull an DV across 1394

[19:13:41]

tale_:

plus, in the US, they plan to stop analog cable in 2008 or 2009. I forget exactly when. What would you do then?

[19:13:59]

flip987:

tale: what do they look like connected to regular analog tv at same cable drop

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flip987:

tale: using tv's tuner instead of capture card

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tale_:

is there any talk of mythtv supporting a cable card?

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gbee:

DVB-C is supported, I'm just not sure how or if that applies to the US cable networks

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tale_:

It looks bad without mythtv

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tale_:

I'm referring to the analog cable using the tv's built in analog tuner

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flip987:

tale: I don't know-- would be more a function of your hdtv card-- not myth

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tale_:

I'm just planning what I'd like to do

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flip987:

tale_: there's some law that digital receivers have to output some content over DV but I'm not sure what content is impacted – I htink its only unencrypted stuff

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flip987:

when watching live tv, how can I tell whether I'm rx'ing 1080 or 720 content

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no_strings:

Has anyone been successful with a Hauppauge PVR-150? I've been fighting with it for most of two days and no luck. All I get is "snow' – a no signal appearance for video and white noise for audio.

[19:26:45]

no_strings:

dmesg seems OK, firmware is the latest. IVTV 0.4.7

[19:27:13]

no_strings:

Using mplayer to test video gives the same symptom.

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flip987:

no_strings – have you got it working outside of myth- or is that what you're trying to do

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flip987:

you probably need to change the card input

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tuxi:

erm whats the default audio device?

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tuxi:

i havent /dev/dsp or /dev/alsa

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no_strings:

flip987: I get the same results with mplayer as with Myth, so I'm just testing with mplayer right now.

[19:29:05]

no_strings:

The card input is set to tuner.

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no_strings:

The input signal is ch4 RF from a satellite receiver.

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tale_:

does anyone have myth .20 from universe working with ubuntu edgy?

[19:30:03]

no_strings:

I've tried ch3, just for kicks. Nada.

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flip987:

something like ivtvctrl

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flip987:

no_strings: ivtvctrl -n to list possible inputs

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no_strings:

flip987: I've used ivtvctl to change the channel and set the input.

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no_strings:

It's set to 0, which is tuner.

[19:32:48]

no_strings:

All of the /dev permissions seem to be OK.

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flip987:

do you have a composite source to use – just to ensure you actually have rf outta the sat recv

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sigger_:

anyone do anything like this: a program running on (or served to) a tablet PC which isn't a full front end, but is just the navigation stuff to pick content to appear on a frontend?

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no_strings:

No, but I'm replacing an older bt878 card that I used with TVTime and was getting signal OK.

[19:34:27]

flip987:

on my 350- ivtvctl -p 0 is composite

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no_strings:

TVTime is apparently not compatible with the mpeg2 h/w compression on this card, so I'm trying to get Myth working.

[19:35:02]

flip987:

wait-- 150 doesn't have composite does it

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flip987:

have you trued xawtv

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no_strings:

xawtv won't run – segfaults. It's always be hit or miss here.

[19:35:49]

no_strings:

s/be/been

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no_strings:

The 150 has 5 inputs – tuner, composite 1 & 2, S-video 1&2

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no_strings:

I tried setting it to input 1 and got a black screen (expected for no input on a composite connection.)

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flip987:

ok – do you have another rf tuanlbe device ( tv or VCR) toy verify rf out of sat recvr

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MrGandalf:

genpix: greetings

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no_strings:

That same output is feeding two other devices. I ran a separate RG6 from the receiver to the card, just to test. Same.

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flip987:

ok — just trying to check obvious stuff

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no_strings:

The system is dual-boot and I'm tempted to try the card in Windows just to see if all is well.

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no_strings:

No, I understand the questions and I appreciate you running through the things I may have missed.

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flip987:

do you have external antenna or any other RF source to input to 150 card

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flip987:

maybe a vcr or something

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no_strings:

I could try that.

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netw1z:

my video on this nVidia card is coming out on the DVI port instead of the S-video port once X and the mythfrontend is running

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netw1z:

is that something I change in the XF86config?

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euphobot:

DPMS keeps powing down display during recordings — where is that setting

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sigger_:

euphobot: in the Device section of your XF86Config (or similar) file

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Anduin:

netw1z: You setup the nvidia driver right

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Anduin:

euphobot: Myth should disable it while playing (it works for me)

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euphobot:

Anduin: should and does are different here

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euphobot:

sigger_: Option "dpms" right?

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sigger_:

I believe

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Anduin:

that is it

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sigger_:

then again, I'm online cause I'm having problems with my xf86config so what do I kno

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sigger_:

know

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euphobot:

and without mythfrontend dpms works

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euphobot:

so myth is missing something

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netw1z:

yeah.. it doesnt work

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euphobot:

netwlz: check the definition of Viewport in subsection Display

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tuxi:

whats the device i have to use for alsa ?

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tuxi:

theres no /dev/dsp or /dev/mixer

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Anduin:

tuxi: ALSA:default mostly works

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GreyFoxx:

most put in "ALSA:default"

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GreyFoxx:

and "default" forthe mixer

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tuxi:

well then it tells me file not found

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Anduin:

tuxi: Is this for input?

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tuxi:

no output

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GreyFoxx:

what exactly do you have in there that tells you that?

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tuxi:

ah works

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tuxi:

sorry thought ALSA:default as option to select

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tuxi:

not to insert

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tuxi:

thx

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GreyFoxx:

Anduin: What do you think about adding filesize info to the videometadata? Right now my upnp patch has to pull it from the filesystem for each file but gets everything else from the database

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no_strings:

OK, alternate input didn't help. I did get xawtv reinstalled, though. Same symptom.

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Anduin:

GreyFoxx: post .21 ok?

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no_strings:

I'm trying the card in Win to see if it's functional.

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GreyFoxx:

Anduin: Sure. I'm gonna commit what I have today

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GreyFoxx:

and I'll likely update mythgame to use your symbolvisibility changes too

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Anduin:

GreyFoxx: Yeah, I was going to commit changes for the other plugins today, I'll take that one off the list.

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Anduin:

GreyFoxx: I've been avoiding schema changes so far, post 0.21 I'll be breaking the prefix out to another field as well, would just like to lump the changes together (I have a few other minor ones as well)

[20:11:00]

GreyFoxx:

ahh

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GreyFoxx:

Given much thought to the merging of MythDVD/Mythvideo ?

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GreyFoxx:

I thought I saw you mention it

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Anduin:

GreyFoxx: It is going to happen, just waiting for 0.21 to happen.

[20:11:49]

GreyFoxx:

cool

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Anduin:

GreyFoxx: It is actually the next major thing on my list, the visibility stuff was just something I could do while waiting.

[20:12:25]

GreyFoxx:

Adding upnp client support to mythvideo's search for content would be nifty as well

[20:13:04]

GreyFoxx:

right now I'm rading up on the MediaRenderer stuff. Have mythbackend streamout/transcode on the fly depending on what bitrate/codec was requested

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gbee:

Anduin: Doesn't matter much to me, but I couldn't compile with the visibility stuff enabled

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Anduin:

GreyFoxx: Yeah, I was going to ask about renderer support.

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GreyFoxx:

That would be nice to have in there

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Anduin:

gbee: What failed?

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gbee:

Anduin: I've forgotten, I can try again and take notes this time if you're interested in fixing compilation issues

[20:15:47]

Anduin:

gbee: Yeah, certainly interested

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Anduin:

gbee: x86_64?

[20:16:06]

gbee:

yup

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Anduin:

gbee: relocation?

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gbee:

sounds familiar :)

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Anduin:

gbee: Yeah, I'm working with Axel on that (I'm blaming gcc currently)

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gbee:

now that you've reminded me, I came to the conclusion it was gcc too

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Anduin:

gbee: As soon as Axel gets around to giving me access to a machine I can reproduce it on I'll be committing a workaround (and reopening his gcc bug with a test case)

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gbee:

spent a few hours looking at it the other day (the fact I then forgot the details shows how bad my memory is)

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gbee:

hmm, think I'll make a change to configure so you can tack new options on when using --prev e.g. --prev --enable-symbol-visibility

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gbee:

rather than the copy/paste hassle it currently involves

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scopeuk:

sounds good gbee

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LabMonkey:

I just had an idea

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LabMonkey:

My signal is 4:3 but some of my shows are letterboxed. Could I set some underscan options for those letterboxed shows to underscan vertically and basically remove the letterboxing on the fly?

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opello:

you'd rather have it stretched or lose the sides?

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LabMonkey:

no

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LabMonkey:

I just wanna cut the first X lines and the last Y lines vertically.

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LabMonkey:

see I'm trying to figure out the best way to record or convert letterboxed shows at 16:9

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Spicerun:

FYI – I got mythnews working....fixed ownership problems in the hidden home directory.

[20:50:05]

warthog9:

I've run into a problem where Mythtv tells me 'Card 0 (type ) is set to start on channel 2, which does not exist.' Where is it checking this from and how do I clear it? (I've set all of my tuners to different channels and none set to 2 so I'm a bit confused on where it's picking this up from)

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Juski:

LabMonkey: I think there's a zoom mode for that

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monkeypet:

k

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Juski:

I played around with xbmc a bit today. it's got a kind of file manager thingy. reckon that might be useful in myth...

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monkeypet:

Juski, how is xbmc?

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npodges:

xbmc is great.

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npodges:

expecially aesthetically.

[20:53:43]

Juski:

also got an idea for making mythmusic a bit easier to create playlists... when you tick a box to select something, move down to the next one, saving a button press :)

[20:54:06]

scopeuk:

juski with the idea flow

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Basstard`:

i want mythmusic to play in the background :(

[20:54:34]

Juski:

Basstard`: mythtv is open source, so you could make it so ;)

[20:54:46]

monkeypet:

Yeah, I want to watch tv and listen to music... that would be great!

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scopeuk:

listenitng to music whilst navigatign menus or scheduling recordings could be god thugh

[20:55:30]

scopeuk:

good*

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Juski:

I want a smut filter, so I can automagically skip boring bits in TV shows & movies

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Spicerun:

Are there any instruction on how to add plugins to mythtv?

[20:55:44]

Basstard`:

and whilst reading news and weather.. etc

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monkeypet:

scopeuk, making the tivo sound on myth is my dream!

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Juski:

Spicerun: just learn C++ & Qt

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scopeuk:

Juski i think he means instal them

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Juski:

monkeypet: that's already been done. search the mailing lists

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BULLE:

Juski: plugins should be writable with any language that QT supports, right ?

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Juski:

BULLE: no. for them to be accepted as official plugins you have to conform to the MythTV development design guide

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Spicerun:

Juski: I won't go into how much I loathe qt.

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Juski:

coding standards/style etc

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BULLE:

ah

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Juski:

Spicerun: so go make a new mythfrontend then

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Juski:

doesn't have to be c++ & qt...

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monkeypet:

Spicerun, why don't you just port it into whatever language you like, then add the feature ;)

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Spicerun:

Juski: Don't think I'm not already working on that. :)

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BULLE:

Spicerun: its not like there are many other c++ graphics libraries around with sane documentation and api

[20:57:48]

Juski:

yeah I've heard that before

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scopeuk:

how much whould you guys beat me up if i designed a myth frotnend in java?(hyperthetical only atm)

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BULLE:

scopeuk: not at all

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Juski:

java? yeuch!!!!!

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Spicerun:

I'm not getting into a debate here.

[20:58:20]

awilkins:

Hi there, I'm having problems with mythtranscode – seems to run fine from the command-line (although the output is weird when there is a cutlist – more on that in a bit) but when started from the jobs interface it always errors.

[20:58:21]

BULLE:

scopeuk: even though i would suspect that the frontend would be easier to write in c++ ( due to the heave use of graphics libraries, nfs etc )

[20:58:25]

Spicerun:

Anyhow, I'm thinking about a plugin that plays streaming internet tv selector/tuner.

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BULLE:

scopeuk: backend could very well be java based

[20:58:42]

Juski:

how come none of you guys has even considered gstreamer & stuff ?

[20:58:45]

scopeuk:

BULLE never said it whoudl eb easy

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awilkins:

You could probably write a fairly nice frontend for windows with C# and DirectX....

[20:59:07]

Juski:

Spicerun: there already IS one... mythsteam

[20:59:12]

Juski:

*mythstream

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BULLE:

Juski: most likely because gstreamer is pretty new, and has C api etc, whereas mythtv is old in comparison ?

[20:59:23]

Spicerun:

Juski: Really...I'll look that up...thanks.

[20:59:35]

BULLE:

awilkins: or use java, and get crossplatform support .........

[20:59:41]

Juski:

Spicerun: don't get it confused with mythstreamtv ;)

[20:59:58]

Juski:

if anyone brings out a java mythtv anything you can count me out

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Spicerun:

??? What is the difference?

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awilkins:

BULLE: I'm not too experienced with Java, and I don't know how easy it is to do the whole video displaying thing.

[21:00:24]

Juski:

Spicerun: one is for streaming recordings to a client, the other (mythstream) is for watching/listening to internet streams

[21:00:27]

BULLE:

awilkins: its no worse then doing it with C#

[21:00:41]

awilkins:

Anyone have the same problems with mythtranscode? I see some people on the lists mention it but no solutions as yet?

[21:00:43]

Spicerun:

Juski: ok, thanks.

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Juski:

I've seen a lot of people crowing about Elisa, but from the screencast I watched, it's poo IMHO

[21:01:48]

npodges:

juski: the way mythtv frontend is now, is is it possible to have themes with animated menus in the way xbmc does?

[21:02:14]

Juski:

npodges: why else do you think the UI is being re-written to use opengl ?

[21:02:41]

npodges:

juski: didnt know, that's why i asked:-D

[21:02:56]

npodges:

didnt know that it was being rewritten*

[21:03:01]

npodges:

i'm real new to mythtv

[21:03:09]

Juski:

yeah well it is

[21:03:09]

awilkins:

I don't like the opengl rewrite, I have problems with my graphics hardware whenever I use OpenGL and I suspect that the "standard" rendering will get left behind in terms of support...

[21:03:16]

BULLE:

Juski: what about the new theme / cascading style sheat supprt in qt ?

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Juski:

awilkins: that's not the plan AFAIK

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Juski:

BULLE: what about it?

[21:03:50]

BULLE:

Juski: cant that be used for animated menus ?

[21:04:02]

Juski:

BULLE: I dunno/don't care.. it's qt

[21:04:13]

BULLE:

well, mythfrontend uses qt ....

[21:04:23]

Juski:

that'd be qt 4 anyway

[21:04:27]

BULLE:

yes

[21:04:33]

heada00:

Anyone have any pointers on how to use the S-Video input on a PVR-350 with a video camera attached?

[21:04:36]

Juski:

mythtv won't build for qt4

[21:04:56]

awilkins:

Juski: Well, that's a relief. I don't know WHY I should have problems, it's an onboard GF4MX, but I still have never got stable XvMC playback, and OpenGL visualizations in MythMusic can cause system shutdowns (not evn a panic or anything)

[21:05:10]

Juski:

anyway BULLE the harder it is for any idiot to make mythtv themes, the better IMHO

[21:05:16]

BULLE:

heada00: i have only used it on a 250 card, but then, its easy, just select the correct input, and you are set

[21:05:35]

BULLE:

Juski: he, i actualy agree

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BULLE:

Juski: that way we dont get shitloads of crappy themes

[21:05:50]

Juski:

I've seen 3 good winamp skins out of all the ones on the net

[21:05:53]

npodges:

i agree

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Juski:

'nuff said

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scopeuk:

yeh jsuki wede hate to turn theams into winamp skins

[21:06:21]

npodges:

do most people use the default theme in mythtv?

[21:06:33]

Juski:

I don't

[21:06:34]

npodges:

it's kinda gross, imo... i really like retro

[21:06:35]

Juski:

I use my theme

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npodges:

does your theme have a url?

[21:06:45]

heada00:

BULLE: thanks, do you set it up in the backend? if so, I tried but I got lost when it started asking me for the channel information. I'm new at this, but I didn't think the s-video had a tuner in it

[21:06:46]

scopeuk:

projectgreyham is nice

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Juski:

anyway if any of yous kids wanna see what I think is a nice ui.. looky: http://www.rasterman.com/files/rage2.avi

[21:07:19]

BULLE:

heada00: yes, in the backend, and no, the s-video doesnt have a turner

[21:07:39]

BULLE:

heada00: you can still define what channels it can receivce though, in case you use an STB or similar, to feed the card with input

[21:07:54]

BULLE:

that was whatt i used my svideo input for

[21:07:55]

** Juski drools **

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BULLE:

now im all dvb

[21:09:27]

Juski:

is that enlightenment all GPL stuff I wonder?

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heada00:

BULLE: Ok, so once its defined in the backend (via mythtv-setup), I couldn't find how to select that input in the frontend ... any thoughts?

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npodges:

afaik, it is

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npodges:

but i think that's more of an assumption, and i ahve no basis

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BULLE:

heada00: no need to select that particular input

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BULLE:

heada00: afaik you can only make use of ONE input at one time

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BULLE:

heada00: so just define a bogus channel, and map it to the svideo input, on the card

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heada00:

BULLE: That's what I was afraid of ... I was hoping to be able to have the frontend change the encoder input to svideo via the frontend

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LabMonkey:

Juski: sure I can zoom the playback, but what I'm dealing with here is that the letterboxed shows actually take more hard drive space than they would if they used the same compression without the letterboxing.

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LabMonkey:

OR, if the letterboxing could be stripped out on-the-fly then I could record a show at the same bitrate and get potentially higher quality recordings

[21:15:04]

LabMonkey:

main thing I'm after here is not having to edit out the letterboxing in post processing

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Juski:

LabMonkey: bitrate is what makes a recording take up space

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flip987:

alright I'm at wits end trying to get pchdtv to capture and play back thru myth with xvmc without getting a boatload of prebuffering pauses and stuttering jittery playback

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Juski:

not the frame size

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flip987:

is re-compiling mythtv from svn my next option??

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Juski:

a 160x120 file at 2mbps will end up the same size as a 1024x768 file at 2mbps

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Juski:

assuming both are the same length of time..

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LabMonkey:

Juski: I know that. If a recording was 16:9 (with the letterboxing stripped out) and recorded at the same bitrate it would still be the same filesize but potentially higher quality picture.

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AdamDH:

hey I got a USB DVB adapter. Its a winTV Nova T USB2. I compiled the v4l-dvb drivers but dmesg returns some weird errors.

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Juski:

LabMonkey: but you can't strip it out on the fly as it's recording

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LabMonkey:

That's not really my ultimate goal though... My primary goal is to make letterboxed recordings 16:9.

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Juski:

pillarboxed, you mean ;)

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LabMonkey:

no

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LabMonkey:

well

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LabMonkey:

yeah both actually

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LabMonkey:

the signal is letterboxed and the original display (before I hit zoom) is pillarboxed

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Juski:

LabMonkey: not easily done

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LabMonkey:

I mean... I could make it record ALL shows at 16:9

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LabMonkey:

but then shows that are 4:3 would be chopped

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Juski:

hmmm apparently freevo2 is gonna use evas & cool swishy graphics effects... it's in python & stuff, so you could easy extend it to talk to the mythtv db...

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Juski:

that'd piss off some folks..

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Juski:

LabMonkey: I record at 16:9 all the time.. 4:3 comes out pillarboxed

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flip987:

here's a copy of my mythfrontend output if anyone wants to give it a once over before I recompile myth--http://pastebin.ca/204320

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Juski:

but my cable box does the pillarboxing otherwise it'd just look fat

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LabMonkey:

I have no cable box.

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LabMonkey:

I have a SD cable subscription. The cable is plugged directly into my PVR-500.

[21:25:45]

LabMonkey:

See this is why I've been asking for some time now if there was a way to add more recording and/or transcoding profiles.

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Juski:

LabMonkey: only by adding em yourself

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LabMonkey:

Juski: how is that done?

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Juski:

eventually most stuff will be 16:9 or all digitally sourced so there'd be no need to mess with aspect ratios

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LabMonkey:

mysql client?

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Juski:

LabMonkey: probably a few changes to the code

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Juski:

I think the 3 recording profiles are hard coded

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Juski:

and only the cardinput can have its aspect ratio set

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LabMonkey:

I'd even settle for additional transcoding profiles

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Juski:

well, mythtv is open source, so....

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Juski:

what do you want, for free, for software written in people's spare time, out of the goodness of their own hearts?

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LabMonkey:

it also uses QT as a STL

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awilkins:

AdamDH: I have two of those tuners, paste your errors to pastebin.ca

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LabMonkey:

which is the main thing contributing to my reluctance to develop solutions to my issue myself

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Juski:

oh yeah I know what everyone wants.. _everything_.. on a stick

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awilkins:

AdamDH: I also wrote the mythtv wiki page on it :-)

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LabMonkey:

go go gadget rant!

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LabMonkey:

I suppose for now my best option is to figure out how to create a user job that will transcode the letterboxing out

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Juski:

LabMonkey: you call that ranting? I didn't even get started

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Juski:

<cynical>.. users.. the bane of every OSS project </cynical>

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Juski:

;-)

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LabMonkey:

Juski: Well on Inspector Gadget he always said "Go Go Gadget <tool>" before the tool became active (except for when stuff malfunctioned.

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LabMonkey:

erm

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LabMonkey:

syntax error

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LabMonkey:

:s/.\)./

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LabMonkey:

err

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LabMonkey:

shit

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LabMonkey:

:s/./)./

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LabMonkey:

there

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Juski:

nice regex

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LabMonkey:

I'm gonna start playing with mencoder to see if I can transcode the letterboxing out

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mirak:

hi

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mirak:

anyone have a DVB-C card ?

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mirak:

dvb-c are prohibed to sell in france

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gbee:

just to sell or to buy as well?

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janneg:

mirak: I have two, but why are they prohibited to sell?

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janneg:

I can think that cable providers try to prohibit to use them

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Juski:

pretty obvious why that is, don't you think ;)

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gurft:

Does anyone know where I can find docuemntation on setting up a separate box just to do my commercial flagging and transcoding?

[22:14:59]

gurft:

I added a second capture card to my existing backend, and am running into performance isuses when transoding is occuring at the same time I'm recording or watching a DVD.

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scopeuk:

whoudletn that just be a slave backend with no defined tuners?

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Juski:

scopeuk: yes it would

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scopeuk:

and turnign off the only transcode/flag on recordign hsot option

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Juski:

any uk dvb-t users here at the mo? just wondering if the new channel 5 channels are up yet so I can try scanning

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gurft:

Juski- Is there a way to force all the transcoding to occur there, or how does myth determing which host to use for the transcoding operation?

[22:17:14]

Juski:

gurft: I dunno. only one backend here

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Juski:

wooo.. "Episodes 1 and 2 of this new drama series. A brutal murder leads WPC Gwen Cooper to Torchwood, a journey that will change her life forever. Plus, Torchwood must stop a sex addicted alien as it leaves a trail of gruesome deaths in its wake."

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Juski:

sex addicted alien? whaaa?

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gurft:

Sounds liek a GREAT show

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gurft:

;)

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Juski:

that's not something that turns up in any scifi I've ever seen... sex...

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netw1z:

anyone using the hauppauge 150 and the remote that came with it?

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netw1z:

i am trying to trouble shoot it

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Juski:

troubleshoot what? the card or the remote?

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LabMonkey:

Juski: new Doctor Who?

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Juski:

LabMonkey: spin-off series

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LabMonkey:

O_o

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netw1z:

remote

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LabMonkey:

two seasons and there's already a spinoff?

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Juski:

LabMonkey: there've been more than 2 seasons

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LabMonkey:

well yeah

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netw1z:

card is working fine.. remote isnt changing anything.. has a irblaster port

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LabMonkey:

I just mean two seasons of the new series

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Juski:

LabMonkey: it was always in the pipeline I think

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LabMonkey:

btw are they still making new episodes?

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Juski:

Yeah new series starts next year

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LabMonkey:

SciFi is showing season 2 in the US

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Juski:

xmas special to come too

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LabMonkey:

nice

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LabMonkey:

thanks

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LabMonkey:

I'm really digging it

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Juski:

it's not bad

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LabMonkey:

and starting to understand some of the english slang :P

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Juski:

not as cack as voyager with shouty woman in it

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mirak:

so anyone is using DVB-C ?

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janneg:

mirak: yes, but in germany

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mirak:

no shop are selling DVB-C cards here

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Juski:

LabMonkey: nerd fact... in one episode of S2, the sliding doors have the same sound as those in Doom :)

[22:30:19]

mirak:

I am not sure when I can get one

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Juski:

mirak: dvbshop

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mirak:

same for phoenix modules

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Juski:

http://www.dvbshop.net/

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mirak:

thanks. do they ship in france ?

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Juski:

or take a short trip to a neighbouring country ;)

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mirak:

i am in paris

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Juski:

they say "We ship worldwide to ANY destination you wish"

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mirak:

great

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mirak:

or I send to your home and you send it back to me :p

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Juski:

hahahaha

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Juski:

I have enough responsibilities, thankyou

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Juski:

man dvb-c cards are expensive

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mirak:

http://www.dvbshop.net/product_info.php/langu . . . ducts_id/161

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mirak:

there is no remote with it ?

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fester_dublin:

Hello everyone.. Could someone please help me..

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janneg:

mirak: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_television_in_Europe#France doesn't mention DVB-C deployments in france

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mirak:

because I could also buy PVR 150 , but I don't like the idea I pay cable compagny and not get optimal quality

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fester_dublin:

Trying to compile mythtv on debian 3.1r2 and keep getting /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lqt-mt

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fester_dublin:

collect2: ld returned 1 exit status

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fester_dublin:

Any ideas?

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Juski:

mirak: pvr150 cards are good quality. I capture my cable with one & it looks (and sounds) nice

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mirak:

janneg: we have cable of course ...

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janneg:

so it is probably not used much -> almost nobody wants to buy DVB-C cards -> nobody sells them

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mirak:

janneg: this have nothing to do with that

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janneg:

mirak: with digital channels?

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mirak:

janneg: cable compagnies are lobbying against DVB-C card

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mirak:

janneg: yes of course

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Juski:

mirak: that will be because of illegal stuff

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mirak:

it's technically the same in other countries

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Juski:

the only thing we, the users can do is stop buying their cable

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Juski:

not that they'll notice or even care

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LabMonkey:

Juski: yes, yes I noticed that

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mirak:

they won't

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LabMonkey:

Juski: see I actually *ahem* "found" season 2 before it began airing on SciFi.

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Juski:

my cable co is going to start doing a multiroom PVR box soon. It's crap, of course but it's the only way to get a digitally recorded signal from them legally

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gurft:

what do I push when in edit mode to import the already generated auto-skip cutlist?

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Juski:

we already have 'on-demand' video but I don't care enough about it to even try it since the STB UI is so damn slow

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janneg:

mirak: their lobbying was that strong, that it actually forbidden by a bill to sell DVB-C stuff?

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Juski:

gurft: Z I think

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mirak:

janneg: only french islands can get them

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mirak:

janneg: you will not see any dvb-c in any french shop, even online.

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mirak:

DVB-C aren't that expensive. They cost 3–4 month of cable provider

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npodges:

does anyone here use mythv on edgy eft?

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Juski:

mirak: yes but you still need to PAY the cable provider

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janneg:

in germany the cable providers want to have a serial number of a certified receiver to get a smartcard but is quite common to use other equipment

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mirak:

if I can exclude the cost of their terminal that's good also

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Juski:

mirak they make you pay for the receiver? that sucks

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janneg:

and the german public tv is unencrypted in all cable networks

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moto125:

Hi, i need some help. My main menu of mythfrontend is missing some options i think. i have no optical disk option. anyone know why

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Anduin:

moto125: No mythdvd plugin

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moto125:

i thought i installed the plugins, hmm i'll have to try again

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mirak:

Juski:

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mirak:

sorry

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mirak:

I don't read german http://www.dvbshop.net/product_info.php/langu . . . ducts_id/161

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mirak:

what is the blue usb thing ?

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mirak:

janneg: I gues it's the reciever

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jblack_:

Hey! I just realized another thing that mythtv has in common with tivo.. Its a pain in the ass to get data out of it. :)

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scopeuk:

jblack_ thats harsh

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jblack_:

sorry. :(

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Juski:

jblack_: wtf are you talking about?

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janneg:

mirak: it's the receiver for the remote control

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mirak:

but there is no remote ?

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mirak:

in the package

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jblack_:

Well, I can import dvds, I can record shows, I can play movies....

[23:04:26]

Juski:

jblack_: it's not a PITA at all, if you know what you're doing.. and that's also try for Tivo

[23:04:30]

mirak:

janneg: it's not clear

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Juski:

s/try/true

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Juski:

jblack_: so you wanna play recordings back on your windows machine? get Tapeworm

[23:04:51]

jblack_:

Sure, there's nuvexport.

[23:05:13]

Juski:

you want sensible, nice human readable filenames, see "mythrename --link"

[23:05:22]

Juski:

RTFM, see the wiki

[23:05:23]

janneg:

mirak: the product is + usb remote

[23:05:38]

scopeuk:

does Juski need a cookie?

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Juski:

you know.. the wiki... that thing people don't seem to know exists...

[23:05:58]

janneg:

mirak: btw: for use with mythtv this card http://www.dvbshop.net/product_info.php/info/ . . . XP-MCE-.html is enough

[23:06:20]

scopeuk:

Juski maby we should snabox new people till they find the unsandbox me button hidden somewhere in the wiki

[23:06:40]

jblack_:

It was on the wiki that I found nuvexport.

[23:06:46]

Juski:

scopeuk: lol. I just get pissed off when folks whine about stuff they've not read about because the info is 'hidden'

[23:06:56]

jblack_:

I'll look to see if there's something other than that that you're referring to.

[23:07:16]

BULLE:

janneg: yes

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jblack_:

(I've been using nuvexport for a couple weeks now, btw)

[23:07:26]

charlieS:

wow, this is not useful at all: http://www.lirc.org/html/table.html#@hw-usb

[23:07:29]

BULLE:

janneg: i use such a card, but i have not tried to get the remote to work

[23:07:36]

janneg:

mirak: the other card is a so called "full featured" card and has a mpeg2 decoder which isn't used by mythtv

[23:07:42]

charlieS:

can someone recommend a USB IR receiver, and a blaster?

[23:07:55]

Juski:

if it's Ipoo exporting you're after.. erm... there was gonna be a mythexport plugin from the Google SoC but it's not finished yet

[23:08:24]

Juski:

like nuvexport but with a nice mythtv gui :)

[23:08:29]

jblack_:

janneg: Ok. I looked over the wiki for exporting just in case it had changed in the last two weeks, and it still says the same thing: Use nuvexport.

[23:08:44]

BULLE:

charlieS: for blaster i dont know, but for a very simple to setup, remote + ir receiver i would just buy the windows MCE remote

[23:09:06]

janneg:

BULLE: the nexus-ca? the usb dongle uses probably usb hid

[23:09:07]

BULLE:

charlieS: i dont think the blaster capabilities of rh MCE remote is usable from linux, though

[23:09:22]

Juski:

jblack_: until somebody _writes_ something that does exactly what you need.. tough ;-)

[23:09:24]

BULLE:

janneg: i was thinking of the technotrend c 1500 card

[23:09:57]

Juski:

god I'm starting to sound like the hacks on the -users list

[23:10:16]

jblack_:

juski: Sure. Thats a fair thing to say.

[23:10:42]

mirak:

janneg: it doesn't do analog reception.

[23:10:50]

mirak:

janneg: or does it ?

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charlieS:

that'd probably work, though I'll have a remote that says Microsoft on it, and I may be embarrased when my friends see it :)

[23:11:10]

jblack_:

It's just so... tivoish. My 12 year old can rip dvds now, but she can't take a cd with her shows to mom's for the weekend.

[23:11:15]

Juski:

mirak: any dvb-c tuner which has analogue reception would only have software encoding anyway, which will be crap

[23:11:31]

mirak:

janneg: the price is interesting. About the Common Interface, does it allow to use my cable chip card ?

[23:11:39]

Juski:

jblack_: you technically shouldn't do that anyway.. legal mumbo-jumbo, foobar, etc

[23:11:40]

janneg:

mirak: no, but I'm not sure if the analog reception of the nexus ca is supported by linux

[23:12:22]

janneg:

BULLE: ah, ok. it was a bit unclear for me.

[23:12:26]

mirak:

I just need it to descramble one hertzian pay channel ...

[23:12:37]

Juski:

so jblack_ someone started a nice gui exporter thing but it's not finished yet.. let's all keep out fingers crossed, eh?

[23:13:00]

Juski:

there's mytharchive now.. you do know that don't you?

[23:13:00]

jblack_:

Sure.

[23:13:13]

Juski:

dvd burning plugin.. very nice

[23:13:22]

** jblack_ headsmacks **

[23:13:34]

janneg:

mirak: no, you will need a CAM for the cryption system they use

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** jblack_ blushes and apologizes profusely **

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mirak:

janneg: damn, they are expensive isn't it ?

[23:14:31]

Juski:

the only thing (IMHO) missing from mytharchive is the ability to schedule the encoding jobs

[23:14:43]

BULLE:

Juski: hmm, that rage2.avi file, is it a preview of some gui for what ?

[23:15:03]

Juski:

this is when someone pipes up that job scheduling for mytharchive is already in svn.. ;)

[23:15:15]

janneg:

a CAM is basicly a pc-card (pcmcia) with a smartcard reader and some auxiliary funtions for the encryption system

[23:15:16]

Juski:

BULLE: look at rasterman's site..

[23:15:50]

netw1z:

anyone have the hauppage 150 card with the build into IRblaster running?

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janneg:

mirak: depending of the encryption sytem another 50–100 Euro. but not for all encryption systems are CAM available

[23:16:27]

BULLE:

Juski: think we need to hire some .pl mobsters to send over to rasterman, to force him to write myth frontend gui

[23:16:51]

mirak:

I tihink I am on viaacces

[23:17:23]

mirak:

Sub-total: 155,20 EUR

[23:17:27]

mirak:

mmm

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Juski:

BULLE: lol

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Juski:

I get the feeling that anyone who can, and wants to, is already working in the team

[23:18:34]

BULLE:

mirak: i ordered from dvbshop.net recently

[23:18:44]

BULLE:

mirak: i got the goods, in about a week

[23:19:06]

BULLE:

Juski: what team ?

[23:19:18]

Juski:

the -dev team of course

[23:19:38]

charlieS:

wtf, everything in the wiki references: http://mythblasterz.gotdns.com/ as a place to get a supported IR blaster, but that website is just a Fedora default apache page :(

[23:19:47]

BULLE:

the -dev team should realy pay me, for not participating in teh development

[23:21:53]

mirak:

BULLE: that's for my mom. her vcr died. There is already a PC to play divx and dvds next to TV. I think DVD recorder are not worth. It's just trading Tape for DVD. Hard disk recorder are hubber expensive. In fact buying the DVB-C + CI + CAM would cost as much as DVD recorder and far less than Hard drive recorder.

[23:22:03]

Juski:

charlieS: so do the decent thing, find a working site & update the wiki entry

[23:22:07]

Juski:

:)

[23:22:17]

BULLE:

mirak: ye, i have dvb-c with ci and cam myself

[23:22:32]

Juski:

oooo http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/MythPlugin_Architecture

[23:23:21]

charlieS:

Juski: the point of asking here was to find such a site :)

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mirak:

BULLE: is it easy to decode or does it require a lot of hacking ?

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Juski:

charlieS: http://www.mytvstore.com/product_id_004.html

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Juski:

and here: http://www.irblaster.info/

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Juski:

google is my friend

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scopeuk:

lol

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charlieS:

yea, I found the serial one.

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Juski:

wiki is updated with those links now too

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npodges:

just installed ubuntu edgy, and got my pvr-150 working with ivtv.. Should i install mythtv from the packages, or compile it?

[23:38:51]

Juski:

npodges: better off compiling it tbh

[23:39:17]

BULLE:

mirak: i found it easier to setup then my pvr-250 i used earlier

[23:39:21]

npodges:

okay, thanks. tha's what i thought

[23:39:36]

npodges:

i'm actually just starting over after having installed with the packages, and something borked up

[23:42:39]

Juski:

prolly changed the mythtv mysql user's password to a random one

[23:42:52]

Juski:

and not updated the mysql.txt file to reflect it

[23:43:32]

Juski:

there we go.. some more blaster vendors on the wikiwiki

[23:43:48]

npodges:

actually, the menus just kind of lagged, and i wasn't sure why.. i changed the menu rendering to opengl, from qt

[23:43:57]

npodges:

then, it didnt render the menus anymore

[23:44:08]

npodges:

and i had to guess my way aroudn the interface

[23:44:15]

npodges:

so i decided to start over

[23:44:50]

Juski:

npodges: the theme you were using is probably missing a base.xml file

[23:45:19]

npodges:

it was the default theme in the ubuntu package, i hadn't changed it

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Juski:

which theme is the default.. is it G.A.N.T. ?

[23:46:17]

npodges:

yes

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npodges:

should i be using opengl, if my hardware supports it?

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Juski:

that should be okay.. unless you didn't install the 0.20 themes package & got a 0.19 one

[23:47:28]

npodges:

hmm

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npodges:

can you point me in the right dirrection on installing from source?

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Juski:

first apt-get build-dep mythtv mythplugins

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Juski:

get subversion client too

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Juski:

then go to svn.mythtv.org & read the 2nd para.

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npodges:

okay

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Juski:

also read the docs on the main site about building mythtv from source

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Juski:

npodges: btw does opengl actually work on your box? have you tested it? screensavers, glxgears, etc...

[23:50:26]

npodges:

i gotta be honest, at the time, maybe it wasnt workign... although i did install the latest ubuntu driver

[23:50:30]

Juski:

oh and completely uninstall the packages – use the _delete_ option (whatever it's called) otherwise old libs will still be there

[23:50:38]

npodges:

okay

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npodges:

well i reformatted

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npodges:

;)

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Juski:

that one bit me hard

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Juski:

took a while to figure out .,.." but I uninstalled it!"

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npodges:

right, i was having trouble uninstalling... so i quit that

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Juski:

eeks... it's way past my bedtime. wanna be at work in less than 7 hours!

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Juski:

g'night all

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npodges:

night, thanks, juski

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scopeuk:

night jsuk

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scopeuk:

Juski*

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