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| [00:10:09] | Mattwj2005: | hey guys :) |
| [00:13:31] | scopeuk: | hi |
| [00:13:43] | Mattwj2005: | how is it going scopeuk? |
| [00:19:57] | scopeuk: | pretty good ta |
| [00:20:13] | scopeuk: | jsut starttign to come down off cafine induced hyperactivity |
| [00:20:25] | scopeuk: | so im probably gonan go to bed before the headache developes |
| [00:23:33] | scopeuk: | and how are you? |
| [00:26:02] | cornell: | Evening all |
| [00:27:54] | cornell: | I had knoppmyth on a box. Replaced the drive and added another, and am trying to install again. I get as far as "Setting default volumes" and it hangs... I tried boot: failsafe, and it gets up, and I did a quit and cfdisked the drives, then tried to set up LVM. Did a pvcreate, vgcreate vg, successfully. But vgdisplay says there's no "vg". |
| [00:27:59] | cornell: | Any ideas? |
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| [00:44:48] | ShockValue: | ok, i have a backend and 2 frontends.. ive scheduled a few recordings which have worked OK, but they're not flagging commercials |
| [00:45:09] | ShockValue: | how do i set it so just the backend will flag the commercials? |
| [00:47:01] | fryfrog: | ShockValue: the only setting i've seen related to that was "run job on original backend" |
| [00:47:04] | fryfrog: | I think? |
| [00:47:10] | fryfrog: | i don't recall *where* :( |
| [00:47:51] | ShockValue: | ohh fry, thanks for the broadcast suggestion for the 6200.. im running at 100% success this afternoon /so far/ :) |
| [00:48:08] | fryfrog: | nice |
| [00:48:11] | fryfrog: | weird, isn't it? |
| [00:48:15] | ShockValue: | yeah |
| [00:48:28] | fryfrog: | i still dunno wtf the two of them are, but that "firewire_tester" would fail the ass out of p2p |
| [00:48:34] | fryfrog: | but broadcast never failed the test |
| [00:48:43] | fryfrog: | after doing the "-B" (that fixes broadcast mode) |
| [00:48:57] | ShockValue: | where do you run that firewire_tester program? i just stuck it in my mythbackend startup script |
| [00:49:14] | fryfrog: | i run it randomly when needed |
| [00:49:22] | fryfrog: | but i'll put a wrapper around it and the channel changer |
| [00:49:27] | fryfrog: | maybe have it run at every channel change |
| [00:49:47] | ShockValue: | yeah i was thinkin about doing that.. i'll see if its neccesary |
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| [00:50:21] | ShockValue: | now i need a new game.. im bored :) |
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| [00:58:41] | BULLE: | cornell: still problems with lvm ? |
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| [01:10:23] | eddel: | hi all |
| [01:13:58] | eddel: | I am scratching my head here: Everything works under 2.6.12. When I boot into 2.6.15, mythtv fails to start live tv. I *do have* ivtv working as shown in dmesg, and I can fetch data directly from /dev/video0 using cat. Why won't mythtv access? Some udev isssue, maybe? Permissions on /dev/video look fine. |
| [01:15:58] | eddel: | Error message from mythtv-frontend is: GetEntryAt(-1) failed, and EntryToProgram(0@Wed Dec 31 18:00:00 1969) failed to get pginfo |
| [01:16:46] | ShockValue: | well i figured out why my shows arent getting flagged.. i keep getting errors in the backend saying "Error mythcommflag: no such file" |
| [01:18:08] | ShockValue: | weirdness |
| [01:18:23] | ShockValue: | seems i dont have a "mythcommflag" binary anywhere on my box |
| [01:19:10] | ShockValue: | perhaps the gentoo flag "backendonly" borks that eh? |
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| [01:34:11] | eddel: | Got it. One of the two tuner cards got set to tuner0, needed tuner. |
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| [01:45:14] | eddel: | Still weird that a mere reboot to a different kernel (and ivtv module) alters the parameters for mythtv. oh well |
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| [02:00:12] | aboutblank: | sorry for people who have heard my question before. Is there a dependency for mpeg2 -> mpeg2 lossless encoding? using mythtranscode, --mpeg2 does not honor the cutlist. in nuvexport, the option for it does not show up. thank you for your time |
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| [02:02:02] | ShockValue: | sorry aboutblank, ive never done transcoding stuff, so not sure |
| [02:02:15] | aboutblank: | man.. no one knows the answer to this |
| [02:02:27] | aboutblank: | i'm wondering i should open a ticket |
| [02:02:42] | aboutblank: | but i get the feeling it's my fault |
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| [02:04:04] | Spicerun: | Question about MythNews.....I have it installed on my system and it appears to work except for one detail. |
| [02:04:15] | Spicerun: | The RSS feed on it doesn't update. |
| [02:04:25] | Spicerun: | Anyone know how to get it to update? |
| [02:05:19] | Spicerun: | mythfilldatabase works just fine, MythFlix and MythWeather works with no problem. |
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| [02:07:15] | alainmaisonneuve: | hi all, i have just venture into the realm on installing my Nvidia 5500 using the Svideo out. Now was i am presented is everything in grayscale |
| [02:07:19] | alainmaisonneuve: | why is that? |
| [02:08:57] | bipolar: | has anyone had a problem with sound being garbled in mythtv? My new install sounds like it's underwater. |
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| [02:10:19] | bipolar: | if I plug speakers directly into my video captue card, it sounds fine. but piping it into line in so it can be recorded/timeshifted makes it sound like crap :P |
| [02:10:26] | fryfrog: | alainmaisonneuve: sounds like your tvout might be set to the opposite of your tv |
| [02:10:35] | ShockValue: | bipolar: alsamixer settings maybe? |
| [02:10:42] | fryfrog: | ie, pal when it should be ntsc or ntsc when it should be pal |
| [02:10:50] | bipolar: | ShockValue: I've looked at them, but I don't see anything weird. |
| [02:11:00] | alainmaisonneuve: | fryfrog: how do i check that? |
| [02:11:14] | fryfrog: | alainmaisonneuve: well, where do you live? |
| [02:11:26] | fryfrog: | alainmaisonneuve: and check the xorg/xf86 log file |
| [02:11:31] | alainmaisonneuve: | i know my settings nex to be NSC |
| [02:11:33] | alainmaisonneuve: | NTSC |
| [02:11:38] | alainmaisonneuve: | i live in canada |
| [02:11:52] | fryfrog: | okay, check your x log file and see if you can see anyting about the tv mode it pics |
| [02:11:53] | alainmaisonneuve: | now the gray scale starts right from boot |
| [02:11:55] | fryfrog: | picks |
| [02:12:01] | alainmaisonneuve: | even before it gets to X |
| [02:12:08] | fryfrog: | humm, i see |
| [02:12:29] | fryfrog: | sorry, mine just worked :( |
| [02:12:36] | fryfrog: | i'd still see if you can force the driver to use nTSC |
| [02:12:42] | fryfrog: | look in the nvidia readme for how |
| [02:12:48] | bipolar: | ShockValue: is there anything specific I should look for in alsamixer? |
| [02:13:37] | GreyFoxx: | alainmaisonneuve: You eitherhave a bad cable or a maybe abent pin on it |
| [02:13:52] | fryfrog: | the "sound awful" tick box? :) |
| [02:13:53] | GreyFoxx: | I've had thathappen when I snapped off one of the pins on my svideo cable by mistake :) |
| [02:14:10] | alainmaisonneuve: | GreyFoxx let me check that now |
| [02:14:41] | GreyFoxx: | if you have aspare cable give it a shot. The breakage could be inside the cable as well |
| [02:14:49] | ShockValue: | anyone ever run into the libdvdread error "can't seek to block ######" ? |
| [02:15:01] | ShockValue: | it keeps barfing out when trying to play ISO files |
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| [02:17:27] | alainmaisonneuve: | GreyFoxx just tried 2 different brand new cables.. same result |
| [02:18:10] | alainmaisonneuve: | could it be a driver issue? |
| [02:18:33] | alainmaisonneuve: | i'm on ubuntu breezy and just did and aptget for the drivers |
| [02:18:41] | ShockValue: | ive seen all greyscale before when i had both a monitor and a TV hooked up. using just the TV put it in color |
| [02:19:10] | alainmaisonneuve: | i only have the TV plugged in |
| [02:19:11] | ShockValue: | bipolar: are you using digital or analog output? |
| [02:19:15] | alainmaisonneuve: | hmm.. this is strange |
| [02:19:16] | ShockValue: | hrm |
| [02:19:19] | bipolar: | ShockValue: analog |
| [02:19:19] | alainmaisonneuve: | analog |
| [02:19:27] | Anduin: | alainmaisonneuve: try setting TVOutFormat to SVIDEO explicitly |
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| [02:20:21] | ShockValue: | bipolar: i would get something running where you can hear the sound, then go through each mixer while its running and try mute/unmute/volume to see if it has any effect.. i know its kind of an ugly brute force method :/ |
| [02:20:48] | alainmaisonneuve: | Anduin: i did set that.. i also set the TVStandard NTSC-M |
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| [02:23:08] | alainmaisonneuve: | I think this might be a driver issue Breezy is using 7667 drivers why the best ones are 8774 |
| [02:25:21] | jams: | drats, I was hoping the telnet interface for the frontend would allow you to force a reload of it's settings. No such luck |
| [02:26:10] | bipolar: | It's only when I watch "Live Tv" that I get the distortion |
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| [02:30:29] | ShockValue: | bipolar: works ok with recorded progs? |
| [02:30:49] | bipolar: | ShockValue: I was able to listen to a podcast without a problem. |
| [02:31:01] | bipolar: | ShockValue: I think it's how the sound is being recorded. |
| [02:34:05] | ShockValue: | what options do you have selected for audio in the general setup section? |
| [02:35:09] | ShockValue: | bah my box is hozed.. brb |
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| [02:36:02] | ** nadia007 greets channel members! ** | |
| [02:37:06] | nadia007: | wondering if someone can help me fix my programming guide. the guide is completely off. I've tried doing the mythfilldatabase several times but doesn't help! |
| [02:37:54] | Anduin: | ooh, off |
| [02:38:23] | nadia007: | Anduin, did I do something really horrible! |
| [02:38:49] | Anduin: | nadia007: Nope |
| [02:39:26] | nadia007: | sry, didn't know if you were directing your comment to me! |
| [02:40:10] | Anduin: | nadia007: I was, you need to describe your problem better. |
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| [02:40:42] | nadia007: | Anduin, when I'm watching the 5pm news on tv, my guide says that it's david letterman! |
| [02:41:03] | Anduin: | nadia007: Usually a timezone issue |
| [02:41:27] | nadia007: | hmm.. do I have to run mythtv-setup again then? |
| [02:41:29] | Anduin: | nadia007: compare your position on the globe to the output of 'date' |
| [02:42:32] | nadia007: | hmm... it's off by one day! |
| [02:42:44] | nadia007: | says it's Saturday! |
| [02:43:06] | Anduin: | nadia007: It should also output your timezone (I suspect it is off by not exactly one day) |
| [02:43:29] | nadia007: | root@myth-tv:~# date |
| [02:43:29] | nadia007: | Sat Oct 14 20:45:23 UTC 2006 |
| [02:44:06] | Anduin: | nadia007: What is it like there on the line? |
| [02:44:32] | nadia007: | what do you mean "on the line"? |
| [02:45:11] | Anduin: | nadia007: Your timezone indicates that you live at GMT-0 |
| [02:45:24] | nadia007: | I'm in vancouver! |
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| [02:45:44] | nadia007: | I'm Pacific Time Zone |
| [02:45:54] | Anduin: | nadia007: set your timezone, then use ntpdate (or set up ntp properly), then run mythfilldatabase again |
| [02:46:13] | nadia007: | how do I set time zone via CLI? |
| [02:47:11] | Anduin: | nadia007: maybe tzset |
| [02:47:36] | nadia007: | hmm.. nope... running debian |
| [02:48:45] | Anduin: | nadia007: tzselect |
| [02:49:07] | nadia007: | perfect! |
| [02:52:29] | nadia007: | kay... I selected my time zone via the wizard, but when I type date. I get same thing! |
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| [03:02:01] | nadia007: | anyone here knows how to vnc into knoppmyth? |
| [03:02:27] | Spicerun: | Question about MythNews.....I have it installed on my system and it appears to work except for one detail. |
| [03:02:28] | Spicerun: | The RSS feed on it doesn't update. |
| [03:02:28] | Spicerun: | Anyone know how to get it to update? |
| [03:02:28] | Spicerun: | mythfilldatabase works just fine, MythFlix and MythWeather works with no problem. |
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| [03:03:19] | nadia007: | Spicerun, just wondering if you managed to get your account info into mythflix? |
| [03:03:33] | Spicerun: | nadia007: Yep, I did. |
| [03:03:50] | nadia007: | Spicerun, where did you enter it, if you don't mind sharing? |
| [03:04:12] | Spicerun: | nadia007: There's a separate howto on doing just that straight into mythtv... Hold on while I look it up. |
| [03:05:15] | Spicerun: | nadia007: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/MythFlix_README |
| [03:05:30] | nadia007: | thx! |
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| [03:06:46] | nadia007: | anyone else using knoppmyth? |
| [03:08:35] | cesman: | yes |
| [03:09:46] | cesman: | why use vnc when KnoppMyth already includes FreeNX? |
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| [03:19:21] | nadia007: | cesman, how can I get into my knoppmyth box using FreeNX, I'm an ubuntu girl... I'm not familiar with Knoppmyth! |
| [03:20:10] | nadia007: | I just want to use my vnc from my desktop to get into my knoppmyth box, how can I configure knoppmyth to accept my request? |
| [03:20:12] | cesman: | on the KnoppMyth side, everything is already setup |
| [03:20:23] | cesman: | you just need freenx on ubuntu |
| [03:21:02] | nadia007: | how about windoz... sry... work laptop has win! |
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| [03:21:39] | cesman: | again, you just need freenx client |
| [03:21:56] | cesman: | it is available for Linux, Windows and Mac (I believe) |
| [03:22:04] | nadia007: | cesman... thx! |
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| [03:22:15] | cesman: | you're welcome |
| [03:22:22] | cesman: | thanks for using KnoppMyth |
| [03:22:54] | nadia007: | I really like knoppmyth... saved me a lot of grief! Great way to check out myth! |
| [03:23:32] | nadia007: | a lot of the commands are similar to what I use on debian and ubuntu. |
| [03:24:36] | cesman: | :) |
| [03:25:33] | nadia007: | cesman, you've been using it long? |
| [03:26:34] | Spicerun: | cesman: I just have to ask, when will knoppmyth start using Xorg or Xgl? |
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| [03:31:22] | nadia007: | Spicerun, why would you want to run xgl on knoppmyth? Couldn't really take advantage of all the features could you? |
| [03:32:01] | Spicerun: | nadia007: I don't know why not? |
| [03:32:45] | nadia007: | Spicerun, from what little I know about xgl, it's a bit of a video hog... it would just diminish performance when trying to watch video on myth. |
| [03:33:17] | nadia007: | I guess it would be a trade off... special effects vs video quality. |
| [03:33:29] | Spicerun: | nadia007: Well, I run xorg-7.1 on my box anyhow (I'm considering Unichrome). |
| [03:33:40] | nadia007: | either that... or have to have pretty beefy hardware. |
| [03:33:55] | nadia007: | haven't heard of unichrome? |
| [03:34:18] | Spicerun: | nadia007: I do need the speed to handle my ATSC stream. |
| [03:34:29] | nadia007: | ATSC? |
| [03:34:34] | cesman: | nadia007: I started KnoppMyth |
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| [03:34:46] | Spicerun: | nadia007: I'm researching it, a faster alternative to Xfree or Xorg. |
| [03:34:47] | cesman: | Spicerun: R6 |
| [03:34:53] | ** nadia007 finds herself in the presense of greatness ;) ** | |
| [03:34:54] | Spicerun: | cesman: Nice. |
| [03:35:07] | Spicerun: | nadia007: ATSC – HDTV signals Over the air. |
| [03:35:08] | cesman: | why would you want to use Xgl? |
| [03:35:25] | nadia007: | Spicerun, neato! |
| [03:35:37] | cesman: | nadia007: not great just persistant |
| [03:35:38] | Spicerun: | My box records & plays back HDTV. Its almost there too. |
| [03:36:06] | jams: | Xgl and myth don't play nicely |
| [03:36:09] | nadia007: | cesman, excellent quality!! |
| [03:36:15] | Spicerun: | cesman: Well, I've only heard it might run faster, but it sounds like it won't. |
| [03:36:30] | Spicerun: | I'm not running it right now. |
| [03:36:49] | nadia007: | cesman, persistance... necessary ingredient when dealing with Linix. Naida is still very green! |
| [03:37:26] | Spicerun: | Funny thing, CBS & Fox HDTV records & plays flawlessly, but NBC and ABC HDTV have slight pauses, and CW's HD plays very choppily. |
| [03:37:50] | nadia007: | what hardware do you use to capture that? |
| [03:38:16] | Spicerun: | nadia007: I have a DVB card..... Technisat HD-5000 |
| [03:38:50] | nadia007: | spicerun, hmm... I have dvb card too, but a little twinhann 102g |
| [03:39:22] | Spicerun: | Playback on Nvidia Fx-6200 w/128Mb ... I'm upgrading it tomorrow to a Nvidia Fx-6600 w/256 Mb hoping that it will help smoothe out the playback. |
| [03:39:50] | Spicerun: | PNY Verto cards btw with HDTV resolutions supported. |
| [03:39:58] | ** nadia007 is finding out, that this hobby gets to be very expensive very quickly! ** | |
| [03:40:22] | Spicerun: | nadia007: My 'prototype' is $200 cheaper than the equivalent TIVO. |
| [03:41:15] | Spicerun: | nadia007: and no monthly tv guide fees either. :) |
| [03:41:43] | nadia007: | yup... I'm on student budget... so I've done with what I've got! |
| [03:42:25] | nadia007: | it's addictive though! |
| [03:42:28] | Spicerun: | nadia007: The good news you can upgrade as you're able to. |
| [03:42:34] | Spicerun: | nadia007: True enough. |
| [03:43:03] | nadia007: | yeah... I still have the old tv my parents gave me when I left for school... so hdtv would not do me any good! |
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| [03:43:57] | Spicerun: | nadia007: That's my next project...build a frontend box only that hooks to my present box and plays the hd on my old analog tv... It should be able to do that. |
| [03:44:18] | Spicerun: | I expect the HD picture will be letterboxed on the regular tv. |
| [03:44:39] | nadia007: | must take time to figure all that out! |
| [03:45:12] | nadia007: | I'm having a heck of time with this freeNX. Got it for windows, but can't seem to make a connection. is there a trick to this! |
| [03:45:22] | Spicerun: | nadia007: I'll see, but it should be just as easy as setting the screen resolution on the box. |
| [03:45:33] | Spicerun: | nadia007: Sorry, I know nothing about freeNX. |
| [03:47:23] | nadia007: | I went out an purchased a pvr150... now I'm wondering if I should of have gotten the pvr250! |
| [03:47:42] | nadia007: | the 250 was mce, so I wasn't sure if it would work! |
| [03:56:28] | alainmaisonneuve: | oh man i just toasted my myth box.. i was accidentaly set the runlevel to 1 in the inittab.. now my box won't boot |
| [03:56:34] | alainmaisonneuve: | thoughts? |
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| [03:56:46] | ShockValue: | anyone use a windows box to rip DVDs to play in mythtv? |
| [03:57:06] | Captain_Murdoch: | alainmaisonneuve: that's what single user mode is for |
| [03:57:18] | Captain_Murdoch: | or init=/bin/sh |
| [03:57:40] | alainmaisonneuve: | but now i want to change the runlevel back |
| [03:57:48] | ** nadia007 is going to go reinstall knoppmyth... hoping second time is a charm!! gnight! ** | |
| [03:58:04] | Captain_Murdoch: | so when you get to a shell prompt, use vi or whatever your favorite editor is to fix inittab |
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| [03:58:17] | alainmaisonneuve: | it never gets to the shell |
| [03:58:44] | Captain_Murdoch: | it definitely will if you use init=/bin/sh. have you tried single user mode even? |
| [03:59:08] | alainmaisonneuve: | it boots up, i get the nice ubuntu splash.. and stops half way |
| [03:59:20] | Captain_Murdoch: | you're not listening to me are you.... |
| [03:59:28] | alainmaisonneuve: | yes. |
| [03:59:43] | alainmaisonneuve: | should i type init... at grub? |
| [03:59:59] | Captain_Murdoch: | I'm telling you how to fix it. you need to boot in single user mode. if that doesn't work you'll need to pass "init=/bin/sh" to the kernel. |
| [04:00:14] | Captain_Murdoch: | for single user mode, just append "single" to the kernel boot options in grub |
| [04:01:05] | alainmaisonneuve: | Oh dude.. sorry i just figured out what you were trying to say.. |
| [04:01:10] | alainmaisonneuve: | sorry it late. :) |
| [04:01:14] | alainmaisonneuve: | i got the prompt |
| [04:01:16] | alainmaisonneuve: | :) |
| [04:01:26] | Captain_Murdoch: | no problem. |
| [04:01:58] | ShockValue: | oh i remember, how do i edit the menus in mythfrontend? i seem to recall there are some xml files somewhere you can edit |
| [04:03:32] | Captain_Murdoch: | there are menu themes in the normal themes directory (/usr/local/share/mythtv/themes by default if you install from source). look for "mainmenu.xml", but there are others as well. |
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| [04:38:37] | wireddd: | is there a way to make the mythfrontend window resizeable? |
| [04:43:09] | GreyFoxx: | not dynamically |
| [04:43:32] | GreyFoxx: | you can force it to different sizes, but not dynamically like you can with most other windows |
| [04:48:18] | tjcarter: | hmm, I have a couple of shows I am saving all episodes, but a glitch in guide data didn't have a title for this week's showing. Is there a not obnoxious way to edit this info? |
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| [04:53:03] | Captain_Murdoch: | in 0.20, there is a way in the Watch Recordings screen to edit the title and subtitle I think. |
| [04:54:16] | GreyFoxx: | yeah, highlight the show, hit I, then Recording Options, then "Change Recording Title" |
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| [04:56:35] | ** nadia007 greets channel members! ** | |
| [04:57:31] | nadia007: | kay... second time I've installed knoppmyth, still can't get my tv guide to match with what is going on tv. My gude is about 6hrs behind! |
| [04:58:20] | nadia007: | I've checked my time and everything is also set correctly. |
| [04:58:20] | tjcarter: | GreyFoxx: thanks |
| [04:58:58] | Captain_Murdoch: | check the DB and see if the times are correct in the program table. that will tell you whether it is a data issue or a display issue. |
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| [05:00:50] | nadia007: | Captain_Murdoch, kay... will give it a try... |
| [05:02:46] | nadia007: | if I used knoppmyth, how do I know the password for mysql? |
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| [05:05:48] | sid: | Does mythtv have code where I can chose to block or not block emergency broadcasts? |
| [05:06:19] | Captain_Murdoch: | nadia007: it should be in your mysql.txt file though wherever that is. |
| [05:06:50] | Captain_Murdoch: | sid, you mean that annoying sound and scrolling message? that's embedded in the video and audio so we can't do much about it. |
| [05:08:03] | nadia007: | Captain_Murdoch, thx... that helped out... |
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| [05:08:16] | sid: | Captain_Murdoch: Other stuff isn't "embedded"? |
| [05:08:35] | Captain_Murdoch: | like what? |
| [05:08:42] | samborambo: | hi everyone :) |
| [05:09:09] | ** nadia007 greets samborambo ** | |
| [05:09:21] | sid: | Captain_Murdoch: I dunno, I've never heard video refered to in that way. |
| [05:09:31] | sid: | Captain_Murdoch: You're talking about digital video, not analog signal right? |
| [05:09:51] | samborambo: | Can someone help me out? I'm having issues trying to get mythtv svn to compile with --enable-dvb |
| [05:09:56] | Captain_Murdoch: | just saying that the scrolling words are in the video, it's not like closed-caption data where it is in the VBI data and the player overlays them over the video. |
| [05:10:10] | Captain_Murdoch: | sid: both |
| [05:11:21] | nadia007: | Captain_Murdoch, which table should I be looking in? |
| [05:11:22] | sid: | Captain_Murdoch: Can MythTV record a movie with captions, but use gocr to make a .srt file for the movie? |
| [05:11:27] | Captain_Murdoch: | nadia007: program |
| [05:11:31] | nadia007: | thx |
| [05:11:33] | sid: | So the captions/subtitles aren't hard coded onto the movie. |
| [05:12:16] | Captain_Murdoch: | sid: closed captions aren't hard coded in the movie, they are in the VBI data or in a separate stream in digital signals. |
| [05:12:45] | Captain_Murdoch: | emergency broadcasts (at least here in the U.S.) are embedded in the actual video, they're not like CC or Teletext data. |
| [05:13:35] | sid: | Captain_Murdoch: right, can MythTV use optical character recognition software to take the text and create a file.srt so I can re-use the subtitles whenever I want? |
| [05:13:47] | Captain_Murdoch: | no |
| [05:14:36] | samborambo: | anyone here running an svn build with dvb? |
| [05:14:56] | Captain_Murdoch: | don't know anything that takes a video and runs OCR on it to grab the text. and I'm saying you don't need that since the CC data isn't on the video, it's in the VBI data. you don't need OCR for CC data, you just need to modify the program to write out the CC info to a file instead of (Or in addition to) displaying it. |
| [05:15:11] | Captain_Murdoch: | samborambo: yes, not sure how much help I am with that part though. |
| [05:15:36] | samborambo: | did it "just work" for you? |
| [05:16:29] | Captain_Murdoch: | I think so, but then I'm a dev so I probably knew better what to do. :) I put in my ATSC cards, setup the firmware, loaded the driver, scanned for channels, and was watching HD TV in a short amount of time. |
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| [05:18:35] | samborambo: | hang on, I think it might be another issue. Just tried to build without dvb but failed. |
| [05:19:01] | pilly: | does myth 0.20 not come with the init script anymore? compiled from source |
| [05:19:22] | Captain_Murdoch: | pilly: look in the contrib directory, there are a few init scripts in there I think |
| [05:19:33] | pilly: | thanks.... |
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| [05:31:28] | nadia007: | Captain_Murdoch, you there? |
| [05:31:40] | nadia007: | I've checked my db and the data in it is wrong. |
| [05:32:09] | nadia007: | the guide is pulling the correct data from the program table, but the data that is there is not correct. The times are off by about 6hrs. |
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| [05:33:34] | Captain_Murdoch: | don't know much about the other grabbers other than datadirect/zap2it. is your computer's clock set to local time or gmt? could be related to that. don't know enough to comment really. |
| [05:34:04] | metalac: | hey anyway to set reminders in liveTV? you know the stuff that pops up and says "You wanted me to remind of you a show on channel 60 that's starting now" |
| [05:34:14] | nadia007: | hmmm... I am using datadirect/zap2it. |
| [05:34:36] | nadia007: | how can I tell if I'm using local or gmt? |
| [05:34:38] | Captain_Murdoch: | metalac: don't think so. |
| [05:35:15] | Captain_Murdoch: | hwclock --show |
| [05:35:37] | nadia007: | Fri Oct 13 23:38:35 2006 -0.274321 seconds |
| [05:35:50] | metalac: | nadia007: is that same as the clock on the wall? |
| [05:35:54] | Captain_Murdoch: | so seems right. |
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| [05:36:16] | metalac: | nadia007: sorry i joined late, but what's your problem exactly? |
| [05:36:48] | nadia007: | metalac, program guide tells me that 5pm news is on... and it's already 11pm |
| [05:37:11] | metalac: | nadia007: and you're using zap2it? |
| [05:37:14] | nadia007: | yes |
| [05:37:17] | Dagmar: | Lemme guess... You're in CST? |
| [05:37:23] | nadia007: | mst |
| [05:37:26] | metalac: | nadia007: what does "date" command give? |
| [05:37:36] | nadia007: | Fri Oct 13 23:40:38 UTC 2006 |
| [05:37:55] | Dagmar: | You need to set up your timezone. *sigH* |
| [05:37:58] | metalac: | nadia007: and in zap2it you gave it right zip code? |
| [05:38:07] | nadia007: | metalac, yes... |
| [05:38:18] | metalac: | nadia007: oh yeah it says your zone is UTC |
| [05:38:19] | Dagmar: | metalac: Forget that. She needs to set her timezone. |
| [05:38:34] | metalac: | nadia007: you need to change it to MST |
| [05:38:46] | nadia007: | metalac, so how do I go about doing that? |
| [05:38:56] | Dagmar: | nadia007: http://www.linuxsa.org.au/tips/time.html |
| [05:39:25] | metalac: | nadia007: try "ln -s /usr/share/zoneinfo/US/Mountain /etc/localtime |
| [05:39:32] | Dagmar: | Run `tzselect` to find out what the "America/Chicago" part should be. |
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| [05:41:20] | nadia007: | metalac, says that the file already exists. |
| [05:41:22] | carstenc: | good morning |
| [05:41:34] | nadia007: | carstenc, gmorn! |
| [05:41:44] | carstenc: | how is it going ? |
| [05:41:48] | Dagmar: | Yes, this is because /etc/locatime exists and some people can't figure it out. |
| [05:41:48] | metalac: | nadia007: do ls -al /etc/zoneinfo does it point to anything? |
| [05:42:26] | nadia007: | root@myth-tv:/# ln -s /usr/share/zoneinfo/US/Mountain /etc/localtime |
| [05:42:26] | nadia007: | ln: `/etc/localtime': File exists |
| [05:42:37] | nadia007: | root@myth-tv:/# ls -al /etc/zoneinfo |
| [05:42:37] | nadia007: | ls: /etc/zoneinfo: No such file or directory |
| [05:42:50] | Dagmar: | Yep. Definitely a user problem. |
| [05:42:53] | metalac: | nadia007: whoops i mean ls -al /etc/localtime |
| [05:43:06] | metalac: | Dagmar: ;) |
| [05:43:09] | nadia007: | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 23 Oct 14 2006 /etc/localtime -> /usr/share/zoneinfo/UTC |
| [05:43:18] | Dagmar: | Okay, that distro is just retarded. |
| [05:43:38] | metalac: | nadia007: ok so just do "rm /etc/localtime" and then do the ln -s command from above again |
| [05:43:39] | nadia007: | ah... so just have to change the symlink to redirect to /usr/share/zoneinfo/MST |
| [05:44:05] | metalac: | nadia007: yep and run "date" again to check it took :) |
| [05:44:29] | nadia007: | Fri Oct 13 17:47:25 MDT 2006 ;) |
| [05:44:38] | metalac: | sounds good |
| [05:44:42] | metalac: | try it now and see if it works |
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| [05:49:10] | carsten1: | my Plasma has problems when it should show fast moves |
| [05:49:12] | nadia007: | Fri Oct 13 17:52:09 MDT 2006 |
| [05:49:20] | carsten1: | any idea what this could be? |
| [05:49:26] | Dagmar: | Cheap electronics. |
| [05:49:44] | carsten1: | I am using dvi2HDMI cable |
| [05:50:00] | carsten1: | its a Panasonic 42" |
| [05:50:29] | ShockValue: | just venturing a guess, but i bet it's your computer, not your plasma |
| [05:50:39] | carsten1: | yes it is |
| [05:50:49] | carsten1: | but how can I make it better ? |
| [05:51:06] | Dagmar: | Yeah, but he's expecting *us* to research his problem and teach him the solution if it's his computer, which is why I say, it's the TV. |
| [05:51:08] | carsten1: | I have suse 10.1 with mythtv 0.20 |
| [05:51:09] | metalac: | carsten1: is this in general or with myth? |
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| [05:51:23] | carsten1: | myth |
| [05:51:34] | metalac: | so if you run it from other sources it's ok? |
| [05:51:43] | carsten1: | the resolution in "console" mode is wrong |
| [05:51:57] | carsten1: | if I see Suse booting I do not see the complete screen |
| [05:52:22] | metalac: | oh that's just some frame buffer issue one thing you can do is try and enable different type of interlacing |
| [05:52:26] | metalac: | do you have any interlacing now? |
| [05:52:39] | carsten1: | hm need to check |
| [05:52:46] | carsten1: | what would you recommend ? |
| [05:53:04] | metalac: | carsten1: well apparently kernel is best for smooth motion, but it requires a bit more CPU |
| [05:53:12] | metalac: | i use Line and it looks ok |
| [05:53:39] | metalac: | there is only 4 of them i think so just try all 4 and see, certain ones look bad on my setup right away |
| [05:53:49] | carsten1: | ok |
| [05:54:12] | metalac: | like one field deinterlacing text looks choppy on mine, but i know of people who preffer that method over line deint. |
| [05:54:13] | nadia007: | metalac, sweet... thx... that helped out... just had to do a mythfilldatabase and it's playing nice now! ;) |
| [05:54:14] | carsten1: | and how can I change framebuffer size, isn't it done with grub parameter? vga=something ? |
| [05:55:04] | metalac: | carsten1: there is but i think there is something in the kernel you can enable to make this work, mine looks fine so i never bothered to check |
| [05:55:15] | carsten1: | ok |
| [05:55:37] | ShockValue: | bob seems reccomended for xvmc type, but to me it looks almost overly sharp.. like eating something metalic |
| [05:55:39] | carsten1: | I also do not see the whole X-screen |
| [05:55:39] | metalac: | it could be also that tv has trouble down converting |
| [05:56:20] | ShockValue: | but not metalac. just metalic :) |
| [05:56:38] | metalac: | ShockValue: hey now, weird thing would be if my real name was Bob ;) |
| [05:56:44] | carsten1: | I also have a dsub entry for the plasma but I think analog is not helping here, or what do you think... my idea was that hdmi should be better qualitry... |
| [05:57:03] | metalac: | carsten1: what video card and what driver you're using for it? |
| [05:57:10] | ShockValue: | hdmi will be better qualitry if you can get it working right |
| [05:58:05] | metalac: | I never tried HDMI on mine since I got DVI too and it looks great |
| [05:58:11] | carsten1: | yep :) that's right ShockValue |
| [05:58:11] | ShockValue: | wtf.. why do people put "boat for sale" as the description of their boat in the boats classified section.. .DUH |
| [05:58:38] | carsten1: | I use a nvidia card with commercial driver |
| [05:59:15] | metalac: | carsten1: then you might be one of those people that has to mess with modlines |
| [05:59:22] | Dagmar: | Jesus no |
| [05:59:57] | metalac: | carsten1: http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Xorg_HDTV look at that howto and see if anything helps |
| [06:00:12] | Dagmar: | carsten1: Just read the README that comes with the driver. It can handle the interlacing itself. If *you're* telling the software to deinterlace as well, that's what's screwing you up |
| [06:01:49] | carsten1: | ah ok Dagmar |
| [06:01:53] | carsten1: | thanx for that hint |
| [06:03:02] | metalac: | Dagmar: wait are you sure that it DEInterlaces? |
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| [06:04:05] | Dagmar: | metalac: It's one of those strange things that happens when you read documentation. |
| [06:04:08] | Dagmar: | You _learn_ things. |
| [06:04:28] | metalac: | Dagmar: hmmm i should look into it, it might help with my HD issues |
| [06:04:29] | Dagmar: | I've been trying to stop it with gin and whiskey, but so far, no such luck. |
| [06:04:42] | metalac: | now if nvidias site would just work right :) |
| [06:06:08] | metalac: | Dagmar: what's the xconfig line you put in for it to do that? i can find one that will allow interlaced signals, but not the one that will deinterlace |
| [06:07:06] | sanmarcos: | how can I get the images/icons for my XMLTV channels? |
| [06:07:30] | sanmarcos: | is a 1.6ghz athlon xp, 768mb ddr enough for myth? |
| [06:07:50] | Dagmar: | That is controlled by the nvidia-settings utility |
| [06:07:56] | ShockValue: | if you're not doing hi-def, yes |
| [06:08:06] | Dagmar: | By the way, the readme also kinda mentions that if you're using s-video output, the default is to deinterlact |
| [06:08:10] | Dagmar: | s/lact/lace/; |
| [06:09:09] | metalac: | Dagmar: yeah but that's for S-video, can't do HD over S-video |
| [06:10:24] | Dagmar: | Well, the readme has a lot more in it than just a sentence or three. |
| [06:10:42] | carsten1: | btw: on my other vdrbox I use vdr with tvout from full featured dvb-s and go to plasma with svideo which is better |
| [06:11:00] | metalac: | Dagmar: which part of readme? i'm going through sections and can't find it anywhere |
| [06:11:03] | sanmarcos: | ShockValue: if I wanted hi def? |
| [06:11:54] | ShockValue: | sanmarcos: i have a 2.6 with a gig of ram.. but only a mx4000 card.. it can do hidef, but it runs at about 80% cpu, and if i look at it funny it studders. |
| [06:11:59] | ShockValue: | stutters? yeah |
| [06:12:19] | sanmarcos: | what hdtv card do you use? |
| [06:12:22] | sanmarcos: | are you in the US? |
| [06:12:29] | ShockValue: | yeah US. firewire |
| [06:13:06] | metalac: | ShockValue: yeah i have an A64 3400+ with no XvMC and i still get stutters, with XvMC it should do HD fine |
| [06:13:42] | ShockValue: | i think if i upgraded my video card it would help.. but i need to find a low profile card that has dvi output |
| [06:13:43] | sanmarcos: | ShockValue: what provider? |
| [06:13:48] | ShockValue: | comcast |
| [06:14:01] | sanmarcos: | it works fine with firewire? you get all the features? |
| [06:14:08] | sanmarcos: | or onyl non-encrypted channels? |
| [06:14:25] | sanmarcos: | ShockValue: check PNY geforce 6200 256mb, it has dvi and is hd ready, only 69 dollarsd |
| [06:14:29] | ShockValue: | i get all the channels ive signed up for... the only problem channels i have are the "music only" channels |
| [06:14:35] | sanmarcos: | you can get a cheaper model for 30 dollars, in newegg.com |
| [06:14:51] | sanmarcos: | ShockValue: was it hard to setup? |
| [06:14:56] | Dagmar: | A 6200 is overkill for hits. |
| [06:15:00] | Dagmar: | s/hits/this/; |
| [06:15:09] | sanmarcos: | its cheap Dagmar |
| [06:15:15] | Dagmar: | A 5200 is cheaper. |
| [06:15:20] | ShockValue: | it was a real PITA to be honest.. firewire is very flakey and there was a quite a bunch of trial and error to get it working |
| [06:15:28] | Dagmar: | ...and feel free to Google for "6200 xvmc problem" |
| [06:15:34] | Dagmar: | You might be unamused with the result. |
| [06:15:38] | ShockValue: | it wasnt until today that i got it working reliably |
| [06:15:40] | sanmarcos: | Dagmar: ... |
| [06:16:16] | ShockValue: | anyone want to trade a 'standard' 5200 with DVI out and 128megs of ram for a low-profile 5200 w/dvi? :D |
| [06:16:44] | metalac: | Dagmar: any clues on this hardware deinterlacing i still didn't find anything in the readme |
| [06:16:51] | sanmarcos: | Dagmar: whats xvmc? do I need it if I am not doing hdtV? whats wrong with the 6200 |
| [06:17:46] | metalac: | sanmarcos: xvmc uses GPU to do some work so it offloads your cpu and most definitely with a sub 2ghz cpu you will need it |
| [06:17:59] | ShockValue: | for hi-def |
| [06:19:43] | sanmarcos: | metalac: for SD? |
| [06:19:45] | sanmarcos: | I have a PVR350 |
| [06:19:56] | sanmarcos: | I was wondering, should I use the PVR's tv out, or my video cards'? |
| [06:20:06] | metalac: | sanmarcos: no for SD you can do pretty much any CPU, i mean 1ghz cpu is plenty for SD |
| [06:20:54] | sanmarcos: | I dont have HD. I have time warner (dont have any other choice) |
| [06:20:59] | Dagmar: | *sigh* |
| [06:21:13] | sanmarcos: | I understand you can get basic HD right? (no cable box), but if I plugged that into an SDTv it wont work |
| [06:21:24] | sanmarcos: | you need an adapter to downgrade the signal to analog |
| [06:25:53] | sanmarcos: | am I right? |
| [06:26:35] | Dagmar: | only if you really abuse the definition of downgrade |
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| [06:28:12] | sanmarcos: | what was that called LUMA color or something like that |
| [06:28:22] | sanmarcos: | when they switched from b&w to color.. it was a hack |
| [06:28:28] | sanmarcos: | I do understand the difference between HD and SD |
| [06:28:46] | sanmarcos: | if I had more money, if I could stop paying those fucking income taxes, maybe I could buy newer better stuff |
| [06:28:53] | sanmarcos: | now I just live to survive, and it makes me want to die |
| [06:28:57] | sanmarcos: | but oh well |
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| [06:55:56] | ajhtiredwolf: | hey, im having a problem with mythtv anyone around? |
| [06:58:12] | sanmarcos: | yes |
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| [07:02:47] | wireddd: | i'm here as well, but I am eating |
| [07:03:22] | nadia007: | I'm here but I'm struggling with freenx! |
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| [07:07:47] | cesman: | nadia007: http://knoppmythwiki.org/index.php?id=PowerSe . . . here=content |
| [07:08:51] | nadia007: | I've been reading the instructions on the freenx, I've added the startfluxbox, but keeps timing out. |
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| [07:11:03] | funkypenguinza: | Hello channel :) |
| [07:12:30] | nadia007: | funkypenguinza, hi! |
| [07:12:39] | funkypenguinza: | hi :) |
| [07:13:29] | funkypenguinza: | is this the place to ask questions re mythtv and ivtv? |
| [07:14:10] | nadia007: | yup. |
| [07:15:23] | funkypenguinza: | excellent :) |
| [07:15:42] | funkypenguinza: | I'd appreciate any advice the channel can offer.. |
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| [07:16:03] | funkypenguinza: | I've been through howtos, google, and the FAQ.. still stuck.. |
| [07:16:21] | wireddd: | where are you stuck? |
| [07:16:38] | cesman: | hello funkypenguinza |
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| [07:16:55] | cesman: | nadia007: where exactly are you having difficulties? |
| [07:17:22] | funkypenguinza: | I have a PVR-350, using TV-Out with the X framebuffer... working perfectly in the frontend menus, and when playing movies.. however, when watching TV, I see a red vertical line between the right 3/4 and 4/4 of the screen... |
| [07:17:40] | mk500: | hi all....I can't seem to fix my mythfrontend problems, so am going to rebuild my machine; if I only restore the oldrecorded table, will that avoid problems with recording shows I've already watched? or are there other dependencies? |
| [07:17:48] | funkypenguinza: | I'm thinking there must be a setting / config in ivtv that I'm not aware of... |
| [07:18:23] | mk500: | I don't want to restore all the tables because I don't know what's causing this issue, and I want to start clean |
| [07:20:17] | funkypenguinza: | sorry MK.. that's beyond me :( |
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| [07:20:44] | mk500: | thanks anyway funkypenquinza |
| [07:21:00] | mk500: | I wish I knew why playback suddenly won't work right on my mythfrontend |
| [07:21:11] | mk500: | it would be so much nicer if I could fix this instead of rebuild from scratch :-( |
| [07:21:34] | funkypenguinza: | anything interesting in your mythfrontend output? |
| [07:22:31] | nadia007: | kay... I'm throwing in the towel for tonight... thx for all your help guys... thx for the tipx cesman... I'll keep trying with freenx... seems pretty cool, unfortunately can't seem to get it going... will try again tomorrow! |
| [07:22:45] | mk500: | 2006-10–09 22:32:41.916 NVP::AddAudioData():p1: Audio buffer overflow, audio data lost! |
| [07:23:10] | mk500: | 2006-10–09 22:29:47.469 NVP: Prebuffer wait timed out 10 times. |
| [07:23:25] | mk500: | 2006-10–09 22:29:49.668 NVP: prebuffering pauseAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAuLL |
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| [07:23:48] | mk500: | [mpeg2video @ 0xb6fee620]warning: first frame is no keyframe |
| [07:24:00] | mk500: | all things I saw when watching mythfrontend while the problem was occurring |
| [07:24:27] | funkypenguinza: | but watching recordings / movies works fine, right? |
| [07:25:29] | mk500: | if I am in videos, everything is fine |
| [07:25:35] | mk500: | if I am in recordings, I have problems |
| [07:25:48] | mk500: | when I fast forward, HD light stays on for a while, and it takes a long time |
| [07:26:06] | mk500: | one notch forward can take 30 seconds or more |
| [07:26:18] | mk500: | and then the video will freeze, and audio continue |
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| [07:26:32] | mk500: | audio will go faster and faster (like chipmunks) |
| [07:26:39] | mk500: | and I have to kill the frontend |
| [07:26:52] | mk500: | (this is all with HD tv shows) |
| [07:27:00] | mk500: | this box has been stable for weeks |
| [07:27:10] | mk500: | it just started happening out of nowhere |
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| [07:28:05] | mk500: | I am running KnoppMyth R5D1, so I did an "Auto Upgrade" a couple days ago to try to fix it |
| [07:28:15] | mk500: | but the problem was still there after completing re-installation :-( |
| [07:28:23] | funkypenguinza: | and processor load when this is happening? |
| [07:28:38] | mk500: | pretty normal, I think |
| [07:28:43] | mk500: | let me test and look....one sec |
| [07:28:52] | funkypenguinza: | k... |
| [07:32:04] | mk500: | normal HD playback is about 60% |
| [07:32:25] | mk500: | when this happens (while HD light is going crazy and I'm waiting for hop forward to happen) it's like 40% |
| [07:33:17] | funkypenguinza: | hmm... so it's not a system load issue then... |
| [07:33:42] | mk500: | no, this box never has had issues playing back HD |
| [07:34:07] | mk500: | I have tried getting SMART info from both hard drives.....both are OK |
| [07:34:19] | mk500: | I did performance tests on both....they are reading/writing at full speed |
| [07:34:19] | funkypenguinza: | and DMA is enabled, right? |
| [07:34:23] | mk500: | yes |
| [07:34:39] | mk500: | I moved my /myth/tv to a new drive and re mounted to that |
| [07:34:43] | mk500: | same exact problems |
| [07:35:16] | mk500: | one interesting thing....Some of the new shows are playing back fine (stuff that just recorded) |
| [07:36:01] | funkypenguinza: | here's a question... can you replay the flakey recordings independently of mythtv? does it have trouble seeking? |
| [07:36:34] | mk500: | if I copy one of the flakey recordings into /myth/video, and put an avi on the end, then it plays find under videos |
| [07:36:42] | mk500: | (I change ending so that mplayer is used) |
| [07:37:20] | funkypenguinza: | hmpf... |
| [07:37:48] | funkypenguinza: | if you say new files are playing fine, I'd wonder if the old ones had a problem with their encoding? |
| [07:38:14] | funkypenguinza: | and now that you've upgraded, the encoding is fixed, and the new recordings play back fine? |
| [07:40:59] | mk500: | that's an interesting theory |
| [07:41:12] | mk500: | but these recordings were playing back fine until a certain point in time |
| [07:41:19] | mk500: | and they play back fine with mplayer |
| [07:41:44] | mk500: | I wonder if it could somehow have to do with commercial flagging |
| [07:42:07] | funkypenguinza: | maybe... easy enough to test I guess... |
| [07:42:40] | mk500: | my understanding is that commercial flagging information isn't stored in the video file.....it's somewhere in the database |
| [07:42:55] | mk500: | so maybe if I could find that table and remove any records for one of these problem shows |
| [07:43:04] | mk500: | then I could try playing the show and see if it works |
| [07:43:18] | funkypenguinza: | yeah... :) |
| [07:44:29] | mk500: | now if I can figure out what table it is |
| [07:45:06] | mk500: | thanks for being a sounding board....I finally feel like there is something more I can look at....I've been stumped for a couple days after several days of testing |
| [07:47:03] | funkypenguinza: | anytime :) |
| [07:49:08] | funkypenguinza: | here's something I've been wondering about.. I don't really understand how transcoding works... |
| [07:49:31] | funkypenguinza: | I know that I can set it to be automatic, or I can push "X" while watching a show, and I see the daemon running in the background... |
| [07:49:32] | funkypenguinza: | however... |
| [07:49:50] | funkypenguinza: | where do I define what format (divx, xvid, etc) the show gets transcoded into? |
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| [07:51:00] | mk500: | I've had nothing but trouble with transcoding, and have just given up |
| [07:51:18] | mk500: | it might be because all my content is HD |
| [07:51:38] | mk500: | from what I can see, you can't easily transcode into divx, xvid, etc. |
| [07:51:42] | funkypenguinza: | maybe.. here in South Africa, it's hard to get a decent analogue signal, nevermind HD :) |
| [07:51:50] | mk500: | only a couple built in formats that aren't so hot |
| [07:52:07] | funkypenguinza: | I know I can use nuvexport to exprot to divx / xvid, but I want a more "automated" method :) |
| [07:52:23] | mk500: | yeah, you aren't the only one that wants that |
| [07:52:33] | mk500: | there are a lot of postings on the knoppmyth forums about that |
| [07:52:55] | mk500: | but all the hacks people have been trying look pretty scarry to me |
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| [07:53:21] | funkypenguinza: | :) |
| [07:53:35] | mk500: | check this out.....since all my recordings are in HD, they are 5–8GB per show! |
| [07:53:46] | mk500: | I'm dying for a decent divx transcoder |
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| [07:53:58] | mk500: | that would just automatically compress overnight |
| [07:54:07] | funkypenguinza: | ack! |
| [07:54:41] | mk500: | yeah, the quality is great, but size is massive |
| [07:55:12] | mk500: | do you get good broadband in South Africa? |
| [07:55:21] | funkypenguinza: | broadband internet? |
| [07:55:21] | monkeypet: | My backend with 6 hds is very loud.. I don't know how to fix it since the noise is coming from the hds not the other stuff. |
| [07:55:37] | funkypenguinza: | not really, we've only had ADSL for about 2 years.. and it's very expensive :( |
| [07:56:01] | funkypenguinza: | monkeypet – stick it in a cupboard in the basement :) |
| [07:56:03] | mk500: | so you are kind of stuck with recording over the air, cuz torrents would be expensive :-) |
| [07:56:27] | mk500: | wow, 6 drives! not much you can do about that |
| [07:56:40] | monkeypet: | funkypenguinza: Yup, I am planning to move it to the basement. |
| [07:56:48] | monkeypet: | low-tech huh! |
| [07:57:00] | funkypenguinza: | mk – well, we have uncapped solutions, but yes, bandwidth is very expensive |
| [07:57:17] | funkypenguinza: | my PVR is primarily for my wife and I to capture "over-the-air" shows that we'd miss otherwise |
| [07:57:34] | funkypenguinza: | if we want high-quality video, we must go torrent / DVD |
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| [07:57:54] | mk500: | same here....we get a lot of channels over the air HD in California |
| [07:58:19] | monkeypet: | mk500, Yeah, i just kept on adding more and more hds as I grew my capacity. |
| [07:58:23] | mk500: | but I have to torrent NBC shows, because they don't transmit in my city (stupid feud with local affiliate) |
| [07:58:38] | monkeypet: | mk500, kinda sucks... since the total capacity now is only 1TB. |
| [07:59:01] | mk500: | monkeypet: I had a situation like that.....I got up to 1TB with 6 drives |
| [07:59:01] | funkypenguinza: | but if you could transcode, you'de be sorted ;) |
| [07:59:19] | mk500: | finally I just bought a couple 400GB drives when they went on sale and re-used all the smaller ones |
| [08:00:07] | funkypenguinza: | I haven't tried DVD burning with mythtv yet... does it work well? |
| [08:00:10] | mk500: | what would REALLY be great is if I could stick a little box in by in-laws house, and have it auto-transcode and then ftp the NBC shows to me :-) |
| [08:00:17] | monkeypet: | mk500, Yeah, i buy them when they go onsale... but I should retire my older ones... just too damn lazy. |
| [08:00:19] | mk500: | like a remote antenna :-D |
| [08:00:27] | funkypenguinza: | lol :) |
| [08:03:34] | mk500: | hmmmmm, I found something interesting.....there is this table called "recordedseek" |
| [08:03:43] | mk500: | the mythtv dev documentation says: |
| [08:04:06] | mk500: | "to enable accurate forward and backward time skipping" |
| [08:04:13] | mk500: | I bet some records in there are messed up |
| [08:04:38] | funkypenguinza: | aah |
| [08:04:41] | funkypenguinza: | yeah, sounds like it |
| [08:09:14] | mk500: | there seem to be some utilities I can run to check it |
| [08:09:18] | mk500: | this is gettting interesting |
| [08:12:51] | funkypenguinza: | gotta run, good luck! ;) |
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| [08:16:38] | mk500: | you too |
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| [08:24:59] | kavorka^: | hi, how do i get mythtv to refresh its recording inventory? the reason i ask is that i have edited a mpg via a third party app, but mythtv is still reporting its old file size...hence i get an error when im trying to use nuvexport |
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| [08:40:40] | k-man: | what does it mean when i try and schedule a recording and it says "recorder offline"? |
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| [08:55:30] | Juski: | kavorka^: maybe run mythcommflag on the file |
| [08:56:20] | Juski: | mythcommflag should rebuild the index of the recording :) |
| [08:57:51] | Juski: | k-man: that the recorder is offline... I expect that's what it means. is the backend still alive? |
| [09:02:41] | Juski: | anyway kavorka^ why did you edit the file outside of mythtv? it has a perfectly good frame-accurate editor built in |
| [09:03:29] | k-man: | Juski, yes, backend is alive and well |
| [09:03:39] | Juski: | a quick look at the daily use section in the wiki explains how to use it. I couldn't fathom it til I read that |
| [09:03:47] | k-man: | i can play shows, schedule recordings (but the one i just tried to schedule was marked as recorder offline) |
| [09:04:29] | Juski: | k-man: no idea about that sorry |
| [09:04:49] | k-man: | Juski, i saw someone on the mailing list had the same problem.... |
| [09:04:53] | k-man: | it might be a slight bug |
| [09:05:44] | Juski: | ow |
| [09:06:02] | wireddd: | is there a way I can resize the frontend window while I am watching tv? |
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| [09:07:41] | Juski: | wireddd: nope |
| [09:07:50] | Juski: | if that sucks go use kdetv |
| [09:07:59] | k-man: | you know the onscreen menu you get when watching a program and you press menu? |
| [09:08:09] | k-man: | is there a way to change its colour/background? |
| [09:08:14] | k-man: | i find it very hard to read for some reason |
| [09:08:26] | k-man: | especialy if the tv showing behind it is very light |
| [09:09:56] | Juski: | k-man: either change the OSD theme or edit the .png graphic that makes the boxes ;) |
| [09:10:47] | k-man: | Juski, im talking about the other menu.... |
| [09:10:58] | k-man: | like this one |
| [09:10:59] | k-man: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/images/9/93/DVDOSM.jpg |
| [09:11:00] | Juski: | k-man: yeah the OSD menu |
| [09:11:11] | Juski: | you can choose different ones ya know |
| [09:11:27] | k-man: | no, that menu stays the same for all themse afaict |
| [09:11:40] | Juski: | no it doesn't |
| [09:11:49] | wireddd: | Juski, obviously I can't use kdetv |
| [09:11:52] | k-man: | oh... well, it does for the menus i have tried |
| [09:11:54] | k-man: | sorry |
| [09:12:01] | k-man: | for the themes i have tried i mean |
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| [09:30:06] | wireddd: | why can't I set the gui width wider than 1920px? |
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| [09:35:15] | tank-man: | how are you trying to set it as higher than 1920px ? |
| [09:35:31] | wireddd: | how or why |
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| [09:42:49] | tank-man: | how |
| [09:50:23] | Dagmar: | Did you bother to define a mode for X with a resolution of whatever it is you're trying to use? |
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| [10:04:02] | Skaface: | hmm... ever since version 19, my audio has been going out of sync after watching tv for 15 mins or so |
| [10:04:15] | Skaface: | the video pauses for a few seconds, and the audio goes out of sync |
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| [11:24:18] | Jaak: | why can't mythtv setup just scan for channels? |
| [11:25:05] | Jaak: | when i start tvtime, everything works almost instantly... I just can't push the button scan!? Why not? |
| [11:26:10] | Dagmar: | *sigh* the docs know |
| [11:27:08] | Jaak: | what docs where? |
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| [11:28:04] | Dagmar: | The ones on the MythTV website that explain step-by-step how to set it up. |
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| [11:32:29] | nasa: | Hi, I am trying to setup my sound devices correctly.... I know the following works (outside of mythtv) mplayer -ao alsa -ac hwac3 bjorn_lynne-secret_world_(surround_version).ac3, speaker-test -Dplug:iec958 -c6, aplay -Dplug:dmix english.au |
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| [11:33:52] | nasa: | But if I put "dmix" or "iec958" as the audio device I get either unknown PCM or "no such file or directory" — what should I be putting in there? |
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| [11:37:04] | Jaak: | sorry, but i can't find the propper docs for my problems |
| [11:37:49] | MindHack: | thats a funny sentance applied to any situation :) |
| [11:37:54] | Jaak: | where do i put tv_grab_* when i run mythfilldatabase it can't find it |
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| [11:45:09] | nasa: | Jaak: try here, http://mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Mythfilldatabase |
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| [11:53:36] | kavorka^: | anyone any good with avidemux here? |
| [11:54:29] | kavorka^: | have a simple question regarding editing a mpeg4 file |
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| [12:53:19] | fryfrog: | in lircrc, can a config include a ctrl or alt key? |
| [12:56:51] | Juski: | fryfrog: I think so |
| [12:57:02] | Juski: | dunno how you'd call it though |
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| [13:00:48] | karim: | hi |
| [13:01:15] | karim: | I believe the best supported cards are hauppage pvr 150 and 350 ? |
| [13:07:55] | GreyFoxx: | the ivtv cards in general are the most used |
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| [13:40:22] | karim: | GreyFoxx, ok ivtv is the driver |
| [13:40:40] | karim: | between 150 and 350 I was wondering what really justify the price difference |
| [13:42:27] | Juski: | the pvr350's mpeg decoder & video output.. but you can get a good Q tv out for less than the price of pvr350.. i.e. pvr150 & a cheap nvidia card |
| [13:43:04] | karim: | I already have good tv out with an ati 9600pro |
| [13:43:18] | karim: | well, not that bad, but that's still tv |
| [13:43:31] | karim: | Juski, the 150 cannot record in mpeg2 in hardware ? |
| [13:43:42] | Juski: | so save your cash or buy 2 pvr150 cards for the price of one pvr350 |
| [13:43:45] | karim: | are there any cards doing mpeg4 ? |
| [13:43:52] | Juski: | karim: bullshit. yes it can record mpeg2 in hardware |
| [13:44:58] | Juski: | karim: there's a USB thing that caps to mpeg4.. can't remember the name of it |
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| [13:45:34] | Juski: | can never remember what it's called |
| [13:46:06] | Juski: | Plextor ConvertX .. that's it |
| [13:47:41] | Juski: | anyway if you have > 500Mhz CPU you wouldn't need the mpeg2 decoder of the pvr350, and playing non mpeg2 stuff still takes up CPU anyway so you'd be better off not getting a pvr350 IMHO |
| [13:48:17] | karim: | ok |
| [13:48:45] | karim: | Juski, and about remote etcetera does it have similar features ? |
| [13:48:57] | Juski: | plus the pvr350 doesn't have digital audio output. plus mp3 playback & stuff still comes out your soundcard IIRC |
| [13:49:32] | karim: | is there a device that can pilote a numeric terminal to change the channel ? |
| [13:49:35] | Juski: | karim: yeah yeah.. you can get a remote with the pvr150. depends on the kit you buy – there are a few variants, some with remote, some with MCE remotes, some without any remotes |
| [13:49:46] | Juski: | karim: you mean an IR blaster ... yes |
| [13:49:47] | karim: | MCE ? |
| [13:50:00] | Juski: | I think those come as standard with the main hauppauge pvr150 model |
| [13:50:09] | Juski: | karim: yeh.. windows MCE remote kits |
| [13:50:32] | Juski: | evil those – some don't work in linux apparently.. MCE USB2 I think |
| [13:50:40] | karim: | ok I think I will buy two cards. one to replace my old pctv rave, and one for my mother that wich VCR died |
| [13:50:59] | karim: | Juski, I think I will go for the PCI version |
| [13:51:13] | karim: | I wich there was a PCI 1x version though |
| [13:51:20] | Juski: | HDD space is cheaper than its ever been, so no real need for mpeg4 anyway IMHO |
| [13:51:38] | karim: | yes |
| [13:51:41] | Juski: | but if you really _must_ have mpeg4 you can always transcode the recordings later |
| [13:51:54] | karim: | yes, I don't really need it |
| [13:52:17] | Juski: | got 500GB storage here for TV recordings & it never goes over 250GB used |
| [13:52:34] | karim: | one thing that bother me is the fact the signal obtained from the cable terminal will not be numeric |
| [13:52:52] | Juski: | digital you mean? ahh well you can't have it all ways |
| [13:53:20] | Juski: | some cable companies never provide you with a means of decrypting their pay channels, so you have no other choice |
| [13:53:31] | karim: | yes, in fact anyway the only way is they legalise cable PCI cards here in france, or that they put firewire or ethernet output on the terminals |
| [13:53:38] | Juski: | the cable co I'm with say it's our box or you get no TV |
| [13:53:58] | karim: | in france cable cards aren't legal. |
| [13:54:07] | Dagmar: | Yeah, but that's France |
| [13:54:22] | Juski: | heh. they're legal here you're just not allowed to connect them to the cable systemn |
| [13:54:39] | Juski: | fat lot of good that is |
| [13:55:40] | Juski: | I love the idea of cable.. no aerial, no messy dish outside... |
| [13:56:01] | Juski: | but with no third party way to decode it, it smells of poo |
| [13:56:31] | Juski: | </rant> |
| [13:56:39] | Dagmar: | It smells of "dependence" |
| [13:56:57] | Juski: | that's what I said |
| [13:56:58] | suihkulokki: | gimme fibre and iptv |
| [13:57:16] | suihkulokki: | ..without and fucking DRM |
| [13:57:29] | suihkulokki: | oh well, I guess I can forget about that then |
| [13:57:31] | Juski: | haha I was about to asy... |
| [13:57:55] | Juski: | or even say |
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| [14:22:23] | nasa: | could someone, plz, help me with this.... http://pastebin.com/806433 |
| [14:25:58] | GreyFoxx: | What did you set for the mixer ? |
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| [14:32:00] | Hoxzer: | I keep dreaming about that touch screen mytbox in my shower |
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| [14:34:35] | nasa: | I didn't set anything for the mixer (use internal volume control is unchecked) |
| [14:36:16] | GreyFoxx: | then check it ? |
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| [14:39:53] | Juski: | Hoxzer: steady now |
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| [14:45:10] | nasa: | nope, but with enough effort — I finally got it going (I know I tried those settings before....) |
| [14:45:15] | nasa: | Thanks anyways! |
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| [14:48:35] | granbar: | Hello. Is there a mailinglist that only mails new releases? |
| [14:49:09] | Juski: | eh? |
| [14:49:38] | Juski: | mythtv is constantly changing – not just the major 0 and .1 releases |
| [14:49:58] | granbar: | Alright |
| [14:50:11] | Juski: | there'd be no point having a mailing list for major releases – they're so infrequent |
| [14:51:04] | Juski: | it's pretty hard to miss the major releases to be honest |
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| [14:53:04] | granbar: | okay |
| [14:53:12] | granbar: | Hey |
| [14:53:18] | granbar: | I've got a question that might be hard to answer |
| [14:53:36] | granbar: | I'm going to set up mythtv on a 1ghz celeron 256mb ram, geforce 2 |
| [14:53:45] | granbar: | Will it work? |
| [14:54:04] | Juski: | I dunno... are you capable of readin documents & understanding them? |
| [14:54:12] | granbar: | Not all the time. |
| [14:54:16] | granbar: | There are too many words |
| [14:54:32] | granbar: | I saw on pvrhw that mythtv was running on a 500mhz |
| [14:54:52] | Juski: | it should run fine, assuming you manage to install it & set it up properly – but it might be sluggish if you don't have a hardware encoding tuner card |
| [14:54:53] | nordle: | hello, can anyone help me with recorded shows not being available via the frontend? I asked a few days ago, but got no responce, I've tried some more googling in that time, but no joy. Where might I start looking to fix the issue? I can schedule a recording, the file is produced, but how do I watch it from mythfrontend please? Normal recordings, ie in livetv when I press record, they are available via "watch recordings" so I must have gone wrong som |
| [14:55:19] | Juski: | nordle: press M while you are in 'watch recordings' and change the group filter |
| [14:55:24] | Juski: | that will fix it |
| [14:55:36] | Juski: | the default is set to livetv only for some reason |
| [14:55:43] | granbar: | Juski: Great. I bought a Hauppage PVR-150. Isn't that a hardware encoding card? |
| [14:55:50] | Juski: | granbar: yup |
| [14:55:59] | granbar: | Great. This is like christmas |
| [14:56:08] | Juski: | be aware that tv out on some geforce 2 cards really sucks a lot |
| [14:56:29] | Juski: | depends on the card & which Tv encoder chip they use |
| [14:56:59] | Juski: | give it a go & if turns out rubbish, get a fx5200 for very cheap ;) |
| [14:57:32] | nordle: | Juski: sooo easy when you know :) Just like that, solved, now I just need to map another key on the remote :) |
| [14:57:40] | Juski: | I recommend you read through the docs at least once |
| [14:57:48] | Juski: | nordle the menu key is handy to have on any remote |
| [14:58:11] | Juski: | and I think I might've seen that problem in the wiki |
| [14:58:24] | Juski: | if not I'll add it now |
| [14:58:54] | nordle: | Juski: of course, M = menu, I do have that.....my brain is fuzzy from mix of hangover and streaming cold (more info than you probably wanted) if thats an excuse. |
| [14:59:40] | Juski: | oh yeah there it is... in the wiki http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Frequently_Asked_Questions |
| [15:00:44] | Juski: | adding it to the troubleshooting section now |
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| [15:01:49] | Juski: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Troubleshooting:Using |
| [15:01:54] | Juski: | easy peasy |
| [15:02:06] | nordle: | Juski: I cant believe I missed it on the faq, i have that bookmarked |
| [15:02:18] | Juski: | oh I can believe it |
| [15:02:30] | Juski: | I can't believe so many folks sat back & let you stew either lol |
| [15:02:40] | granbar: | Juski: Thanks for the help man :) |
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| [15:03:21] | Juski: | heh. buy me a beer at the UK LinuxWorld expo |
| [15:04:14] | Juski: | that'd be funny... having 'beer credits' for helping users out. I'd always be in negative quantities for being angry |
| [15:07:39] | polyveg: | hello, i have a problem. the frontend says "Unable to find font: No OSD will be displayed". and in the menu "on-screen-display" i cant select any font. (latest packages from debian-multimedia) any ideas? |
| [15:08:13] | Dagmar: | Have you checked in #Debian? |
| [15:08:21] | Dagmar: | They might be likely to know what got screwed up |
| [15:08:41] | gbee: | Juski: I've amassed hundreds of beer credits over the years :) People love to say "I owe you a beer" when they are unlikely to ever meet you ;) |
| [15:08:58] | Juski: | lol |
| [15:09:18] | Juski: | we non-dev types owe all the devs a major amount of beers |
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| [15:10:13] | polyveg: | Dagmar: no, i thought it was a problem related to mythtv. ok, i will ask there. |
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| [15:11:48] | Juski: | polyveg.. might be down to a lack of mscorefonts or something.. read the osd theme readme files for enlightenment IIRC |
| [15:12:44] | polyveg: | Juski: thanks, i will do. |
| [15:12:50] | Dagmar: | Definitely likely to simply be missing files, but Debian users will be more likely to know the shortlist of things to check |
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| [15:13:23] | gbee: | Juski: what's is Linuxworld costing? |
| [15:13:26] | nordle: | gbee: probably a good thing, as if you get get the beers, by now you'd be in rehab :) |
| [15:13:42] | Juski: | gbee: you don't wanna know. |
| [15:14:02] | Juski: | it's not too bad – got a cheap train ticket & 2 star hotel |
| [15:14:03] | gbee: | nordle: very true ;) I certainly wouldn't want to collect all at once :) |
| [15:14:12] | Juski: | weighing in at just over £100 |
| [15:14:24] | Juski: | so much for 'free' software eh? ;-) |
| [15:14:33] | gbee: | :) |
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| [15:14:56] | Juski: | nah I had a blast at the LRL gig earlier in the year.. it's good fun |
| [15:15:19] | Juski: | and this time there won't be any scary impromptu interview |
| [15:15:36] | Juski: | scary, being that I'd not spoken in public for ages |
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| [15:15:47] | Juski: | and I knew it was being videoed... |
| [15:15:48] | Juski: | but hey |
| [15:16:01] | nordle: | Juski: are you on lrl downloads then, I havent checked them out for months...time flys etc |
| [15:16:06] | Juski: | hiya stuarta. good weekender so far? |
| [15:16:25] | stuarta: | no complaints. hangover is better :) |
| [15:16:28] | Juski: | nordle yeah... lugradiolive 2006 – last of the last season. there's video too (!) |
| [15:16:35] | gbee: | might still be able to get down there for a day, possibly both – 25/26th yeah? |
| [15:16:41] | Juski: | gbee aye |
| [15:17:04] | Juski: | if you want to come as 'exhibitor' I'll see if I can get you a pass |
| [15:17:18] | nordle: | Juski: hope they got your good side :) jono looks a little weird without his metaler beard. |
| [15:17:21] | Juski: | cos if you've not registered by now I think it's £15 |
| [15:17:30] | Juski: | nordle: no they got the front & side |
| [15:17:36] | gbee: | well I was about to note it on my whiteboard – but now I seem to have lost the red, blue and black markers in addition to the green :( |
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| [15:18:02] | gbee: | I think someone has nicked them ... |
| [15:18:02] | ** stuarta hands gbee the spare marker ** | |
| [15:18:20] | Juski: | gbee I'd ask the PFY about his habit |
| [15:18:35] | gbee: | heh, nevermind, they were buried in my in-tray :) |
| [15:19:04] | gbee: | although the green is still missing |
| [15:19:45] | ** Juski stares at the PFY with green tinted nostrils ** | |
| [15:19:55] | gbee: | hehe |
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| [15:20:29] | gbee: | Juski: let me check trains etc and I'll get back to you |
| [15:20:42] | Juski: | gawd they'll be expensive now |
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| [15:21:07] | granbar: | Juski: I'll buy you a beer on the next ONS |
| [15:21:24] | Juski: | I'm travelling down in the cattle truck I think |
| [15:21:42] | Juski: | aka Virgin standard class |
| [15:22:03] | Juski: | granbar: haha no worries man |
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| [15:24:03] | Juski: | stuarta: btw know any good bars etc around olympia-ish ? |
| [15:24:23] | Juski: | or is it all like Kensington £5 a pint? |
| [15:24:49] | stuarta: | there's a nice one other side of the train line to the centre |
| [15:25:16] | stuarta: | or it's 10min walk to shepherds bush, where there are a few bars... |
| [15:25:33] | Juski: | cool. though there's already a 'mingle' thing arranged on the night of the 25th at some pub close by |
| [15:25:50] | Juski: | good networking. |
| [15:25:55] | stuarta: | indeed |
| [15:26:16] | Juski: | anyone after a semi-knowledgable mythtv consultant? |
| [15:26:18] | Juski: | ;-) |
| [15:26:31] | stuarta: | hehe |
| [15:26:43] | Juski: | that'd make my wife's day... "Finally! you get some money for this!" |
| [15:26:47] | stuarta: | !trout duplicate-matching |
| [15:26:48] | ** MythLogBot slaps duplicate-matching with a trout on behalf of stuarta... ** | |
| [15:28:03] | stuarta: | damn dup matching. i've recorded it before!! |
| [15:28:10] | stuarta: | twice!! |
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| [15:28:44] | Juski: | I get problems the other way |
| [15:28:47] | nordle: | Juski: how about charging for pre-built systems? |
| [15:28:51] | Juski: | the show name changes |
| [15:29:05] | stuarta: | these are identical |
| [15:29:09] | Juski: | nordle: supporting users might be very costly.. and litigious |
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| [15:29:55] | Juski: | and that basically sums up why the # of prebuilt system suppliers can be counted on one hand |
| [15:30:06] | hedpe_: | I'm doing a review of mythtv for a small class project, and I was wondering if it actually has any other "competitors" in the open source world? |
| [15:30:15] | scopeuk: | vdr |
| [15:30:19] | scopeuk: | freevo |
| [15:30:26] | Juski: | hedpe_: VDR, freevo, mediaportal, gbpvr |
| [15:30:39] | hedpe_: | Juski: thank you |
| [15:30:42] | scopeuk: | although technically isent thats your job to research and verify them? |
| [15:30:45] | Juski: | oops you said open source. scratch GBPVR |
| [15:31:09] | Juski: | gbpvr is basically 'free' but not open source |
| [15:31:25] | hedpe_: | ahhh okay |
| [15:31:27] | Juski: | .. which I think is a bit tight |
| [15:31:40] | hedpe_: | one more question, is all of mythtv under GPLv2? |
| [15:32:07] | Juski: | I think so... |
| [15:33:00] | Juski: | though some of the 'unofficial' plugins might not be I'm not sure |
| [15:33:38] | hedpe_: | okay, thanks :) |
| [15:33:59] | Juski: | download the sources & look in 'COPYING' perhaps |
| [15:34:33] | Juski: | or look in svn at svn.mythtv.org |
| [15:34:35] | nasa: | I had to modify parts of the sa3250hd-ch script (it didn't have my boxes vendor ID or model #) — how do I pass that along? |
| [15:34:55] | Juski: | nasa: prolly raise a ticket in trac or send your patch to the -dev mailing list |
| [15:35:12] | Juski: | I'd personally advise the latter |
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| [15:38:29] | nasa: | ok, thanks |
| [15:39:30] | polyveg: | Juski / Dagmar: i copied the FreeSans.ttf from vlc into mythtv. now it works. (installation of mscorefonts didnt solve the problem). thanks for your time :) |
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| [15:43:27] | gbee: | couple of files are under LGPL |
| [15:44:33] | gbee: | and I might be remembering incorrectly, but I thought there were one or two under Berkeley |
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| [15:45:51] | monkeypet: | Yay, I moved my noisy backend to the garage.. now I have a noisy xbox frontend to deal with. |
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| [15:50:37] | nasa: | channel changes (for firewire) are handled by the scripts out of contrib/channel_changers/* (?) |
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| [16:25:04] | Hoxzer: | geez, I*m boooreeed |
| [16:25:10] | Hoxzer: | I should read little bit history |
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| [16:31:54] | fryfrog: | nasa: myth has built in ability to change channel over firewire, but you can use external script to afaik |
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| [17:01:18] | Skenvoy: | howdy – got a problem with cron and a mythrename script |
| [17:01:31] | Skenvoy: | when i run the script as root, it calls mythrename and works fine |
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| [17:01:44] | Skenvoy: | however when cron runs it, i get access denied from mysql |
| [17:02:06] | stuarta: | a script run from crontab has no environment |
| [17:02:17] | stuarta: | so things like $HOME aren't set. |
| [17:02:38] | stuarta: | so you'll need to define any path and other environment settings in the script. |
| [17:02:54] | Skenvoy: | hmm |
| [17:03:25] | Skenvoy: | by default mythrename.pl looks in /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt? |
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| [17:03:36] | Skenvoy: | which obviously can't be world-readable |
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| [17:04:12] | stuarta: | no, but you can set appropriate owner/group permissions |
| [17:05:21] | Skenvoy: | i have a crontab group |
| [17:05:28] | Skenvoy: | a plan emerges |
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| [17:13:52] | t0mm0: | hi! anyone know anything about interactive tv in the uk? |
| [17:14:14] | stuarta: | maybe |
| [17:14:35] | t0mm0: | having problems on an upgraded box, current svn |
| [17:14:54] | t0mm0: | when i press key (up/down/select etc) it sends a TEXTEXIT |
| [17:15:19] | t0mm0: | new install i did elswhere doesn't have the same problem |
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| [17:16:35] | t0mm0: | as it sends TEXTEXIT before the correct key it necer actually does anything |
| [17:16:44] | t0mm0: | any ideas? |
| [17:17:34] | Skenvoy: | rawr |
| [17:17:42] | Skenvoy: | no email from cron with the latest hourly run |
| [17:17:56] | Skenvoy: | chgrp crontab /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt = win |
| [17:18:14] | Skenvoy: | ... or not |
| [17:18:31] | stuarta: | t0mm0: not seen it do that |
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| [17:19:53] | t0mm0: | stuarta: ok, thanks, i expect i have a setting wrong somewhere |
| [17:20:09] | Skenvoy: | so changing the group of the mysql.txt file didn't help... anyone else have another idea? |
| [17:23:27] | Dibblah: | /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt? Ick. |
| [17:23:54] | Skenvoy: | whatever, it came with the ubuntu install |
| [17:24:19] | Dibblah: | I'd suggest running it as a post-recording task. |
| [17:24:25] | Skenvoy: | in my /etc/crontab i have a user "root" specified for all the cron.daily/weekly/monthly tasks |
| [17:24:32] | Dibblah: | But then that'll probably go wrong. |
| [17:24:42] | Dibblah: | And it'll all be my fault. Like usual. |
| [17:24:45] | Skenvoy: | so it should have permissions for the file |
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| [17:30:41] | Skenvoy: | more accurately, i think it's connecting to the database but mysql itself is rejecting it |
| [17:33:07] | Skenvoy: | ah. it's rejecting me still |
| [17:34:08] | Skenvoy: | gg script, it looks in the wrong place first – /etc/mythtv not ~/.mythtv/ |
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| [17:41:12] | Skenvoy: | weee. link from /etc/ to the home directory |
| [17:41:17] | Skenvoy: | kludges ftw |
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| [17:49:53] | TSCHAK: | Hello, i am looking into doing an HDTV setup with MythTV.. I know OTA ATSC hdtv works best, but is it possible to use either a satellite or cable hdtv with mythtv? |
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| [17:51:10] | Aid`: | TSCHAK: yea |
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| [17:51:50] | TSCHAK: | Aid`, what would be the best approach? I'm wondering which direction i should go, cable or satellite, and which provider? |
| [17:52:11] | Aid`: | OTA is good but satellite/cable may provide more |
| [17:52:15] | Aid`: | its all on what you want |
| [17:52:52] | Aid`: | do you want a broad list of channels |
| [17:52:52] | TSCHAK: | a good selection of channels, the ability to record them with mythtv and play them back at full res on an hdtv display. |
| [17:52:56] | TSCHAK: | yeah. |
| [17:53:06] | Aid`: | then satellite/cable i guess it the way to go |
| [17:53:10] | TSCHAK: | and that is ultimately what turns me away from OTA |
| [17:53:25] | TSCHAK: | yeah, i figured.. but i am looking for a hardware combination that will work |
| [17:54:03] | TSCHAK: | i am aware that some receivers provide firewire connections.. but which ones to which providers?? etc. |
| [17:55:35] | fryfrog: | My Motorola DCT6412 from Comcast has working firewire |
| [17:55:58] | fryfrog: | but I think with cable it is kind of a pot shot |
| [17:56:19] | fryfrog: | I also have an air2pc card that gets ~6 HD channels |
| [17:57:17] | smeagol: | TSCHAK as far as i know, recording HD satellite isn't possible |
| [17:57:37] | smeagol: | only thing i've seen that may offer something is 169time.com |
| [17:58:09] | smeagol: | and recording cable HD (non OTA channels) would require firewire, which is hit or miss |
| [17:59:38] | TSCHAK: | how so? |
| [18:00:04] | fryfrog: | how so, what? |
| [18:00:12] | TSCHAK: | how is it hit or miss? what are the pitfalls? |
| [18:00:24] | fryfrog: | your luck with your cable company basically |
| [18:00:44] | TSCHAK: | i've set up 6 mythtv installations in the last few years, and i am looking into what i could do for hd for my own setup eventually |
| [18:00:53] | TSCHAK: | I have comcast digital cable here in Boston. |
| [18:01:06] | fryfrog: | do you have a comcast box with firewire? |
| [18:01:13] | fryfrog: | its easy to find out if it works :) |
| [18:01:28] | fryfrog: | I got a pair of HD STBs from my cable co to use and they do great |
| [18:01:30] | TSCHAK: | i haven't gotten a digital cable box yet, the studio apt i just moved into is still using analogue cable. |
| [18:01:36] | fryfrog: | ah |
| [18:01:49] | fryfrog: | well, all you have to do to find out if firewire works is rent a cable box for a month or two |
| [18:02:11] | fryfrog: | I've *read* that the DCT6412 has a higher chance of not having any 5C protected content |
| [18:02:19] | TSCHAK: | ok, is it possible they don't have the FW on it at all? |
| [18:02:24] | fryfrog: | but the DCT6200 is cheaper (the 6412 is a DVR) |
| [18:02:39] | fryfrog: | TSCHAK: I *think* it is a federal law that they have firewire and that it work |
| [18:02:53] | fryfrog: | but they are allowed to use 5C if they like |
| [18:02:59] | TSCHAK: | but you're saying the copy protection might fuck with me |
| [18:03:00] | TSCHAK: | hmmm ok |
| [18:03:03] | fryfrog: | none of my channels are, but you never know :p |
| [18:03:05] | fryfrog: | BUT |
| [18:03:11] | TSCHAK: | what cable provider do you use? |
| [18:03:20] | fryfrog: | since *all* you need is the cable box and a firewire card/cable, it is *easy* to find out |
| [18:03:26] | fryfrog: | Comcast in Atlanta, GA |
| [18:03:40] | TSCHAK: | ok it's comcast here too |
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| [18:03:59] | fryfrog: | doesn't mean anything, unfortunatly :) |
| [18:04:01] | TSCHAK: | heh |
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| [18:05:39] | TSCHAK: | ugh |
| [18:05:47] | TSCHAK: | all the hdtv displays now have HDMI inputs :-( |
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| [18:06:52] | smeagol: | you can convert vga or dvi to hdmi |
| [18:07:22] | TSCHAK: | *nod* |
| [18:07:56] | karim: | I dream of a card that do DVB C T S plus analog TV and capture |
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| [18:08:28] | karim: | pvr 150 lacks DVB-T |
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| [18:09:15] | stuarta: | just buy a few cards. it's cheaper |
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| [18:09:35] | stuarta: | has the advantage you can record off all cards at the same time. |
| [18:09:44] | karim: | mmm |
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| [18:09:59] | karim: | I think the most expensive are cable cards ? |
| [18:10:35] | karim: | in your opinion does a numeric terminal have a better display on TV than a video card TV out ? |
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| [18:11:30] | Zider: | "numeric terminal"? |
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| [18:13:58] | karim: | Zider, cable terminal |
| [18:14:04] | karim: | cable decoder |
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| [18:14:33] | karim: | don't know how it's called |
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| [18:14:44] | karim: | I am interested having your opinion about that. |
| [18:15:21] | karim: | of course the image can't be better if it's captured from the cable then put out through tv out. |
| [18:15:39] | karim: | but I mean just for dvd or divx play |
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| [18:25:30] | karim: | what is the difference between hauppauge 150 and 250 ? I am reading on hauppage web site but can't see it |
| [18:27:40] | ivor: | hmm I suppose the shutdown of US online casino operations and the massive increase in online-casino spam are coincidental.... |
| [18:29:09] | karim: | in fact PCI x1 is really on of the biggest fraud of last years |
| [18:29:14] | karim: | one |
| [18:29:27] | karim: | there is probablt just one ethernet card that have it |
| [18:29:48] | karim: | I think I will drop my mother board before the first device came out |
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| [18:48:55] | tybb0: | Using 2.6.18 with latest ivtv driver, I get 10–15 rows in dmesg saying ivtv driver loads fine and it detects all the various bits of my hauppauge wintv 150. But when loading X11 and then trying for instance xawtv I get the strange error message "/dev/video0 [v4l2] No overlay suport" |
| [18:49:00] | tybb0: | what am I doing wrong? |
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| [18:53:13] | BULLE: | tybb0: you need overlay support in the x server silly |
| [18:53:26] | BULLE: | tybb0: xv |
| [18:53:47] | BULLE: | me kicks tybb0 in the gonads |
| [18:54:46] | BULLE: | tybb0: oh, and btw, /dev/video0 gives you mpeg2 output |
| [18:54:49] | BULLE: | tybb0: use mplayer for that |
| [18:58:14] | tybb0: | bulle: xv? |
| [19:01:26] | tybb0: | bulle: xvfb you mean? |
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| [19:09:35] | tybb0: | bulle: I have libxv allready |
| [19:10:15] | tybb0: | bulle: and using mplayer I get war of the ants so it seems to be that I can't tune the bugger properly? |
| [19:12:36] | BULLE: | tybb0: yes |
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| [19:19:21] | aboutblank: | hey can someone who has nuvexport do me a real quick favor? start it with --debug and try to do an mpeg2 lossless conversion with a myth cutlist. then just pastebin the debug output please! thank you! |
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| [19:28:02] | tybb0: | bulle: Seem to have gotten it to work to some extent but now when in mythfrontend trying to change channel I get "TV1AC unknown" |
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| [19:29:09] | BULLE: | tybb0: you need to copy the file defining the channels so mythfrontend can handle them |
| [19:29:26] | BULLE: | ehm, backend |
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| [19:29:50] | tybb0: | right |
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| [19:31:37] | awilkins: | Anyone know how to hard-reset a USB device? One of my DVB tuners hangs up from time to time and I need to be able to hard-reset it ; a reboot (even with extended downtime) doesn't work because it still has power even when the system is in soft poweroff. |
| [19:32:52] | npodges590: | is it possible to have mythtv front end installed on a laptop and stream media without lag from the backend? |
| [19:33:57] | BULLE: | npodges590: totaly depends on your network connection, and type of media |
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| [19:34:32] | npodges590: | let's say mpeg2 encoded video and a normal 54mbps wireless g network with a good signal |
| [19:35:07] | js0: | mine lags but it might be because I have encryption on |
| [19:35:18] | BULLE: | npodges590: with enough buffering it shoudl be ok |
| [19:36:04] | npodges590: | okay thanks, i think i'll try and set that up then. |
| [19:36:15] | npodges590: | bulle, you dont by chance, use a pvr-150, do you? |
| [19:36:30] | BULLE: | npodges590: 250 |
| [19:36:45] | npodges590: | hmm.. i'm having problems with my 150. do most people get it to work? |
| [19:36:53] | BULLE: | think so yes |
| [19:36:56] | js0: | I have the 150 |
| [19:37:00] | npodges590: | half of the channels come in real distorted, and some come in black and white. |
| [19:37:00] | BULLE: | ivtv can be a bit tricky to setup |
| [19:37:03] | npodges590: | any ideas? |
| [19:37:13] | beavis: | how can I activate autologin on xfce (xubuntu)? |
| [19:37:17] | wireddd: | awilkins, try unplugging it |
| [19:38:05] | ikke__: | anyone know how to prevent mythfrontend starting with some filebrowser if dvd is inserted before mythfrontend startup? |
| [19:38:08] | wireddd: | npodges590, I got my 150 to work |
| [19:38:13] | npodges590: | the thing is, right after i compiled the ivtv drivers, and did modprobe, i did cat /dev/video0 > test... |
| [19:38:23] | npodges590: | the quality was great. after completing the install of mythtv though... |
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| [19:38:39] | npodges590: | channels all come in static over top of the video |
| [19:38:43] | wireddd: | npodges590, it sounds like you are tuning to the wrong freqencies |
| [19:38:47] | npodges590: | or else no static, but black and white |
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| [19:38:58] | npodges590: | you mean us-cable vs us-cable-hrc? |
| [19:38:59] | ikke__: | some autoplay option somewhere, but can't find where... |
| [19:39:02] | BULLE: | does indeed sound like you tune to the wrong frequencies |
| [19:39:12] | wireddd: | npodges590, yes |
| [19:39:33] | npodges590: | okay, i thought i had tried both, but i'll try the other when i get home. at work now. |
| [19:39:43] | scott_: | work on a saturday? |
| [19:39:47] | npodges590: | is there any w3ay to find out for sure which freq. table to use without contacting the cable company? |
| [19:39:51] | scott_: | npodges590: go home and watch TV! |
| [19:39:54] | npodges590: | yeah.. overtime |
| [19:40:03] | npodges590: | i'm leaving in a few minutes for |
| [19:40:07] | npodges590: | the tigers game |
| [19:40:14] | npodges590: | go tigers. |
| [19:40:37] | BULLE: | meow |
| [19:40:54] | scott_: | xfs has been crashing my computer ! ! no clue if xfs_check and xfs_repair did anything, I hope so! |
| [19:44:26] | awilkins: | wireddd: Unplugging it works fine ; except from 50 miles away... |
| [19:44:50] | BULLE: | awilkins: train a monkey ? =) |
| [19:45:10] | awilkins: | BULLE: I didn't know you need a job, man. |
| [19:47:24] | awilkins: | :-P |
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| [19:47:58] | BULLE: | awilkins: i only charge usd 175:- per hour |
| [19:48:07] | BULLE: | cheap! |
| [19:48:37] | awilkins: | EVen my 2-year old doesn't ouptut 175 Used Smelly Diapers an hour, sorry, I can't afford you :-) |
| [19:49:59] | scott_: | which do you like more? your 2-year old or mythtv? |
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| [19:50:41] | awilkins: | *she* likes mythtv more than her Daddy, Im sure. |
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| [19:51:25] | aboutblank: | hey can someone who has nuvexport do me a real quick favor? start it with --debug and try to do an mpeg2 lossless conversion with a myth cutlist. then just pastebin the debug output please! thank you! |
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| [20:02:42] | karim: | is the HVR 1300 supported ? |
| [20:02:56] | karim: | it's not in ivtv but the card is recent |
| [20:05:42] | npodges: | how can i change the default frequency or change channels on an ivtv tuner outside of mythtv? |
| [20:05:52] | npodges: | so taht i can just cat /dev/video0 and record |
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| [20:32:26] | Hoxzer: | I have this wierd feeling that I wanna fuck my teacher but Then again she is not that kind of women I prefer |
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| [20:43:07] | Anduin: | That mediator between thought and speech should be even greater between thought and typing. |
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| [20:52:03] | scopeuk: | agread |
| [20:52:07] | npodges: | agreed |
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| [20:58:07] | ** scopeuk is gatherign a hatread for msn messenger worm as yet name unknown hes attemting to fight on asomeone else system ** | |
| [20:58:24] | scopeuk: | unfurtuantely its going thorugh a low level comand itnerpreter eg my friend whoes satat the machien |
| [20:58:42] | npodges: | hm? |
| [20:59:05] | aboutblank: | is english not your first language? |
| [20:59:10] | scopeuk: | a friend got a virus remtoe assistance isent working so im havign to explain to her how to edit registy and kill proccesses from cmd |
| [20:59:13] | scopeuk: | not easy |
| [20:59:28] | nordle: | myth is recording tv, when I go to "watch tv", it tells me it is recording so cannot. But I should "view it from the playback menu". Where is this playback menu, I double checked the faq this time :) |
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| [20:59:30] | scopeuk: | aboutblank yes it is scarily enough unfurutnately my minds in a spin atm |
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| [20:59:58] | npodges: | scopeuk, redirect her to www.ubuntu.com |
| [21:00:04] | npodges: | :-D that usually fixes viruses |
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| [21:00:19] | scopeuk: | yeh whould be great if it hadent got to be used by a family that couldent install xp between em |
| [21:00:34] | scopeuk: | i hadto tlak em through getting the address br up in explorer |
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| [21:00:39] | npodges: | classic. |
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| [21:00:43] | npodges: | then do it for them. |
| [21:00:56] | scopeuk: | im 50 miles away or fixing the virus whould be easy |
| [21:01:02] | npodges: | the people who take to linux best are windows power users and complete newbs |
| [21:01:07] | npodges: | ah, okay |
| [21:01:18] | scopeuk: | and qemu is being painfull |
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| [21:02:04] | scopeuk: | need to work out which one it is and im not to thrislled abotu the idea of infectign my main system |
| [21:02:15] | npodges: | get her to install vnc |
| [21:02:20] | npodges: | that should be easy enough |
| [21:02:37] | scopeuk: | yeh otehr than the machine is firewalled somewhere along the line beocuse remote desktop aka remtoe assistance failed |
| [21:02:48] | npodges: | ..and then get her to log into the router.. and change the port forwarding... |
| [21:02:50] | npodges: | nevermind.. |
| [21:02:51] | npodges: | ;) |
| [21:02:56] | scopeuk: | lol |
| [21:03:00] | scopeuk: | there s no router afaik |
| [21:03:14] | npodges: | so it's just windows firewall? |
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| [21:03:24] | scopeuk: | but no one knew ifthe machien ahd anti virus apparently her sister uninstaleld one a while ago though :-( |
| [21:03:37] | scopeuk: | npodges it might be could also be some obscure free one off the net |
| [21:03:50] | npodges: | when i used to use windows, i just reformatted when the viruses got bad |
| [21:03:59] | npodges: | it was the easiest way to keep a fast system |
| [21:04:19] | scopeuk: | then were back to the they cant do it and im to far away to do it thing |
| [21:04:38] | scopeuk: | hmm wodner if her other systems boy friend is there he'd at least be able to interpreat the commadns i was givign him |
| [21:04:47] | scopeuk: | nargh she'd have toldme if he was |
| [21:05:15] | npodges: | if you could slepll them right then maybe. |
| [21:05:57] | Mattwj2005: | hey did you guys here that Intel is going to try and make an 80 processor |
| [21:06:05] | scopeuk: | yes in 5 years time |
| [21:06:07] | Mattwj2005: | *80 core |
| [21:06:14] | Mattwj2005: | that would be sweet |
| [21:06:25] | scopeuk: | could double asa space heater |
| [21:06:26] | Mattwj2005: | I wonder if it is possible to use that many cores though |
| [21:06:37] | Mattwj2005: | good point scopeuk |
| [21:06:47] | scopeuk: | stff will have to go more paralel |
| [21:07:32] | Mattwj2005: | I just don't know what they would do with that many processors |
| [21:07:36] | Mattwj2005: | *cores |
| [21:07:39] | npodges: | they will likely have to start using diamond rather than silicon though |
| [21:07:43] | npodges: | it will burn |
| [21:09:54] | Mattwj2005: | it will be good for folding at home at least :) |
| [21:10:47] | scopeuk: | heh apparently the radeon super optimised version rules the roost a that atm |
| [21:11:51] | Mattwj2005: | hey they just released a new version |
| [21:11:53] | Mattwj2005: | sweet |
| [21:12:32] | npodges: | folding at home? |
| [21:12:35] | npodges: | what about mythtv boink |
| [21:12:37] | npodges: | ;) |
| [21:12:39] | scopeuk: | yeh |
| [21:12:42] | scopeuk: | boinc is cool |
| [21:12:50] | scopeuk: | althgouh ill taek a reduction in fan noise any time |
| [21:13:47] | npodges: | my mythtv installation kinda borked itself, and i need to start over... what's the easiest way to uninstall? |
| [21:13:51] | npodges: | i installed from edgy repos |
| [21:14:13] | scopeuk: | dd -if /dev/null /dev/hda |
| [21:14:23] | scopeuk: | dd -if /dev/null -of /dev/hda* |
| [21:15:11] | npodges: | hm? |
| [21:15:20] | scopeuk: | sorry bitchy ness comming out |
| [21:15:27] | scopeuk: | dont do that for the love of god |
| [21:15:39] | Mattwj2005: | it doesn't support my graphics card yet :( |
| [21:15:42] | scopeuk: | can the package manage ment system nto remove it |
| [21:16:28] | npodges: | yeah, it can, but it says there are errors removing it, and i dont tihnk it works |
| [21:16:33] | npodges: | i tried remove --purge |
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| [21:16:41] | npodges: | that didnt really do it either |
| [21:16:48] | npodges: | i think i wanna install from source |
| [21:17:12] | scopeuk: | whould it be that painfull to reisntall the lot? |
| [21:17:32] | npodges: | no, i might just do that |
| [21:17:53] | npodges: | it would take about an hour to start over. i probably will |
| [21:18:03] | npodges: | for some reason, when i installed the menus rendered VERY slowly |
| [21:18:31] | npodges: | i turned on opengl rendering, rather than software, which helped |
| [21:18:43] | grndslm: | anybody know if it'd be easy to install mythtv on the default pepperpad os?? |
| [21:18:50] | grndslm: | frontend at least |
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| [21:19:11] | scopeuk: | define easy |
| [21:19:26] | grndslm: | deb packages or somethin' |
| [21:19:37] | grndslm: | what is pepperpad os? debian based? |
| [21:21:02] | scopeuk: | which pepper pad 1 2 or 3 |
| [21:21:22] | grndslm: | 3 |
| [21:21:24] | grndslm: | prolly |
| [21:21:33] | grndslm: | i don't usually buy outdated hardware |
| [21:21:51] | npodges: | are you on it now? |
| [21:22:16] | grndslm: | no, but i wanted to buy a cheap device that had 802.11g because my laptop is only b and i can't stream video feed |
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| [21:22:46] | npodges: | it's probably quite a bit cheaper to buy a g wireless card |
| [21:22:56] | BULLE: | indeed |
| [21:23:11] | npodges: | and the pepper doesnt have super impressive hardware |
| [21:23:20] | npodges: | i wouldnt buy it with the idea of being a mythtv frontend |
| [21:23:53] | scopeuk: | might get it to stream video using vlc or such like |
| [21:24:04] | grndslm: | i figured all i really use in mythtv are the arrows, and pepperpad would do a great job at that and light internet....to impress the hoes...or is it hos? |
| [21:24:19] | npodges: | "women"? |
| [21:24:22] | npodges: | :-p |
| [21:24:26] | grndslm: | hahahaaha |
| [21:24:56] | BULLE: | no woman gets impressed by a pepperpad |
| [21:25:00] | grndslm: | i showed a few girls how mythtv worked yesterday on my dell 24" and they all got wet |
| [21:25:11] | kavorka^: | any know how i get myth to recheck its db? |
| [21:25:17] | grndslm: | letting 'em walk around with a pepper pad that skips thru commercials is hot, my friend |
| [21:25:18] | kavorka^: | anyone* |
| [21:25:29] | BULLE: | kavorka^: what do you mean with "recheck its db" ? |
| [21:26:02] | scopeuk: | grndslm you obviously know differnt girls to me |
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| [21:26:33] | grndslm: | apparently, girls i know love tv |
| [21:26:42] | scopeuk: | yeh |
| [21:26:58] | scopeuk: | most technicaly any of em ever get with me is when there pc breaks |
| [21:27:08] | npodges: | haha |
| [21:27:12] | scopeuk: | avoiding tech when tlaking outside that context is advised |
| [21:27:23] | npodges: | yeah, no kidding. |
| [21:27:26] | scopeuk: | althoguh blank expresions are ammusing |
| [21:27:32] | npodges: | i know! |
| [21:27:35] | kavorka^: | BULLE, well i have edited some mpg4 recordings with avidemux to remove ads etc...but mythtv doesnt report the new correct size and length. someone suggested i try mythcommgflag to rebuild the files...i did but it hasnt made a difference, ie mythtweb still reports the old size and length |
| [21:27:59] | Mattwj2005: | what is a pepper pad? |
| [21:28:03] | grndslm: | so, does anybody know what the pepper pad platform is? |
| [21:28:06] | grndslm: | debian? |
| [21:28:18] | grndslm: | http://www.pepper.com/ |
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| [21:28:25] | scopeuk: | all ive found is its running a 26 kernal |
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| [21:28:31] | scopeuk: | http://www.pepper.com/platform/system_software.html# |
| [21:28:32] | scopeuk: | http://www.pepper.com/platform/system_software.html |
| [21:28:54] | npodges: | i'm guessing not debian |
| [21:29:03] | scopeuk: | http://www.pepper.com/products/pepper_pad3_spec.html is more usab;le |
| [21:29:06] | npodges: | it's a proprietary version of the linux kernel |
| [21:29:07] | npodges: | i imagine |
| [21:29:24] | Mattwj2005: | speaking of the pepper....have you seen this? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GP2X |
| [21:29:32] | scopeuk: | Mattwj2005 yes its a cool little toy |
| [21:29:36] | Zider: | gp2x rocks :D |
| [21:29:43] | npodges: | actually, that's not true. it's not proprietary, sorry |
| [21:29:47] | Mattwj2005: | yeah I am going to save up for it |
| [21:29:49] | scopeuk: | especially if you add the usb host facilities adn build in gpc |
| [21:29:52] | scopeuk: | gps* |
| [21:30:08] | scopeuk: | both of which have been done |
| [21:30:13] | Mattwj2005: | it can play games, music, video, pictures, etc |
| [21:30:16] | grndslm: | i'm saving up for a wii |
| [21:30:18] | Zider: | I had a gp32 awhile back, and I'll be getting the gp2x as soon as I can afford one ;) |
| [21:30:26] | grndslm: | i think that'll be the only gaming console i'll need |
| [21:30:31] | scopeuk: | i thought that then realised i had sod all use for it |
| [21:30:34] | npodges: | i dont understand how they made it without wireless. |
| [21:30:37] | scopeuk: | if it have wifi that whould be diferent |
| [21:30:44] | npodges: | i won't buy one until it has wireless |
| [21:30:50] | Mattwj2005: | I like the fact that it runs mostly open source software |
| [21:31:03] | grndslm: | and offa double a batteries doesn't it? |
| [21:31:07] | npodges: | but if it had wifi, that would be expanded greatly |
| [21:31:08] | scopeuk: | you can do it by puttign a hepo usb stick wifi card inside the device on the usb host port |
| [21:31:09] | Zider: | screwwireless, it's a bloody GAME console |
| [21:31:32] | npodges: | but it could be more |
| [21:31:32] | scopeuk: | 2x isent rearly a games console its jsuta hevy weight hand held pc |
| [21:31:40] | npodges: | right |
| [21:31:48] | grndslm: | yup...it's cool, but i'd still rather carry a wii in my backpack and play on any tv instead....just like i'd rather read blogs on my 24 incher instead of my cell phone |
| [21:31:59] | Zider: | scopeuk: made for games primarily :P |
| [21:32:12] | Zider: | well, multimedia maybe :P |
| [21:32:19] | scopeuk: | the tv out on 2x is a nice touch |
| [21:32:26] | npodges: | how does mythtv handle having multiple frontends? |
| [21:32:37] | npodges: | as in... who gets to change channels |
| [21:32:40] | npodges: | if there's only one card |
| [21:32:42] | npodges: | etc. |
| [21:32:46] | scopeuk: | eg first person gets tv |
| [21:32:48] | grndslm: | you use it as a pvr |
| [21:32:49] | scopeuk: | others get nothing |
| [21:32:59] | npodges: | oh, okay |
| [21:33:07] | scopeuk: | well they get pre recordd |
| [21:33:11] | grndslm: | i've got a pvr-500....so there are 2 tuners |
| [21:33:16] | scopeuk: | such is my understanding |
| [21:33:17] | grndslm: | but they're usually always recording |
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| [21:34:36] | npodges: | the tigers are blowinnowg it right |
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| [21:34:45] | npodges: | the tigers are blowing it right now* |
| [21:34:56] | thostr: | hey |
| [21:35:43] | npodges: | hey |
| [21:35:49] | thostr: | the xmltv 0.5.42 grabber just stopped working – upgraded to 0.5.44 and grabbing now works but I've got some weird stuff going on in mythtv land |
| [21:36:12] | thostr: | tv listings are empty, but I grabbing is working and also scheduled recordings look ok |
| [21:36:31] | thostr: | have run mythfilldatabase --manual and it finds all the channels, why are tv listings empty? |
| [21:36:51] | thostr: | *nudge* *ponder* |
| [21:37:00] | npodges: | hah, dunno mate |
| [21:37:45] | thostr: | pretty strange that it's found new recordings for my schedules, but is not able to show tv listings eh? |
| [21:38:18] | thostr: | almost like it caches tv listings from the channel data and the cache is outdated |
| [21:39:11] | thostr: | the grabber retrieves data from another source, so I figured the channel IDs may have changed |
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| [22:02:00] | thostr: | yup, channel ids had changed |
| [22:02:10] | thostr: | fix'd |
| [22:02:12] | thostr: | bye |
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| [22:03:48] | jonk: | good afternoon/evening |
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| [22:05:47] | fryfrog: | man, my cable internet has been going up and down like a cheap hooker |
| [22:06:09] | aboutblank: | ... Nice. |
| [22:06:18] | jonk: | thank you for that |
| [22:06:51] | thostr: | get a cheap hooker then instead of watching cheap cable porn |
| [22:06:52] | jonk: | anyone care to suggest a blogging package? |
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| [22:09:00] | fryfrog: | wp :) |
| [22:09:07] | jonk: | word perfect? |
| [22:09:38] | Mattwj2005: | wikipedia? |
| [22:09:52] | jonk: | works progress administration? |
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| [22:11:40] | tybb0: | hmm |
| [22:11:45] | tybb0: | which one do I choose? |
| [22:12:24] | Mattwj2005: | I think I might have finally figured out my hdtv setup |
| [22:12:27] | jonk: | and now for the most stupid question I intend to ask today, whats the utility to unzip a freaking zip file... |
| [22:12:30] | Mattwj2005: | *fingers crossed* |
| [22:12:31] | tybb0: | "Analog V4L capture card" or "Mpeg 2 encoder"? (I have a Hauppauge Wintv 150/ivtv device |
| [22:12:45] | Mattwj2005: | you could try unzip |
| [22:13:03] | Mattwj2005: | tybb0 mpeg2 |
| [22:13:05] | jonk: | thank you, I tried bunzip and gunzip, |
| [22:13:21] | Mattwj2005: | it says pvr x50 and 500 |
| [22:13:24] | jonk: | and for some retarded reason forgot there was one with no bonux letter |
| [22:13:27] | jonk: | ls |
| [22:14:04] | Mattwj2005: | you might have to do apt-get install unzip zip if you are using debian or a similar system |
| [22:14:46] | jonk: | it was there... |
| [22:14:54] | Mattwj2005: | oh okay :) |
| [22:15:08] | jonk: | q |
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| [22:16:05] | tybb0: | Mattwj2005: Indeedly, BUT, the default is Analog V4L capture card and it has a bar that says "Probed info: Hauppauge WinTV 150 [ivtv]" |
| [22:16:24] | Mattwj2005: | that is just what I was told |
| [22:16:29] | jonk: | tybbo are you in mythtv-setup? |
| [22:16:36] | Mattwj2005: | I had to compile a kernel to get my pvr-150 working |
| [22:16:36] | flip987: | how can I tell whether the pre-compiled version of myth I d/l'd for ubuntu edgy from repos has xvmc enabled |
| [22:17:00] | tjcarter: | Someone commented once on this list that there was no reason to have more than two tuners.. I can think of one. Networks often don't begin and end programs at the times they say they will, pretty much intentionally, to screw with timeshifters like us =) |
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| [22:17:11] | tybb0: | jonk: Yes. |
| [22:17:28] | GreyFoxx: | flip987: Go into TV playback and lookat the availabnledecoders |
| [22:17:28] | tybb0: | Mattwj2005: Right I compiled 2.6.18 with the ivtv shit and it works allright |
| [22:17:29] | jonk: | that's just the first setting, down arrow a couple times until that's highlighteed |
| [22:17:30] | tjcarter: | With two tuners, you can overlap your recordings a bit |
| [22:17:33] | GreyFoxx: | see if one of them XvMC |
| [22:17:48] | GreyFoxx: | the Tv Playback settings thatis |
| [22:17:54] | christian_: | hm anyone knowing of problems with an PVR-500 and ASUS A8V? I've replaced my AGP card with a PCI one, but the kernel locks up when I try to cat /dev/video0 > test.mpg |
| [22:18:04] | tjcarter: | with three or four you can overlap your recordings and record two different things at a time |
| [22:18:09] | tybb0: | jonk: I know how to get to the mpeg2 decoder option I'm just rtying to find out if either is better then the other :) |
| [22:18:31] | jonk: | sorry., then misunderstood your problem |
| [22:18:39] | flip987: | it has – but when I enable I still get stuttering real bad- using nvidia binaries |
| [22:18:47] | Mattwj2005: | hey anyone want to come over for steak? |
| [22:19:09] | flip987: | do I need to do to add any modules or anything special for playback with xvmc |
| [22:19:10] | tybb0: | sure, I'll be there in five minutes, I'll get a six pack down at minimart |
| [22:19:25] | tybb0: | matt: Bud or miller? |
| [22:19:27] | GreyFoxx: | flip987: No assuming you have your nvidiadriver installed |
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| [22:19:35] | jonk: | so no suggestions for DIY blog software? |
| [22:19:49] | GreyFoxx: | jonk: vi blog.txt |
| [22:19:55] | Dibblah: | jonK: Ask somewhere that cares? ;) |
| [22:19:58] | Mattwj2005: | it is sirloin steak :) |
| [22:20:00] | jonk: | I still use vi |
| [22:20:16] | tybb0: | matt: Sweet, I'm only innit for the gravy anyway. |
| [22:20:22] | jonk: | Dibblah: why do you hate america? |
| [22:20:23] | Dibblah: | I use Joe. Even though Joe doesn't any more. |
| [22:20:38] | GreyFoxx: | What the hell does thathave to do with America ? |
| [22:20:38] | Dibblah: | jonK: I hardly even know her! |
| [22:20:44] | GreyFoxx: | heh |
| [22:20:50] | jonk: | cd .. |
| [22:20:54] | Mattwj2005: | :) |
| [22:20:59] | Dibblah: | jonK: Sort your window manager. |
| [22:21:03] | Dibblah: | That's annoying. |
| [22:21:11] | jonk: | sort? |
| [22:21:53] | Dibblah: | Well, surprisingly enough, the parent channel of #mythtv-users doesn't exist. Indeed, IRC in general is known for it's flatness. |
| [22:22:14] | Dibblah: | You may be thinking of usenet. |
| [22:22:28] | GreyFoxx: | "Parent"channel? |
| [22:22:29] | Dibblah: | However, mostly that's done one-handed with a mouse. |
| [22:22:43] | Mattwj2005: | do you mean transport such as in HDTV? |
| [22:22:52] | Dibblah: | "jonK: cd.."... |
| [22:22:57] | GreyFoxx: | ahhh |
| [22:23:00] | GreyFoxx: | ok :) |
| [22:23:10] | Mattwj2005: | transport would be like 17....and 17.1 would be the subchannel :) |
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| [22:24:25] | jonk: | he was trying to be clever |
| [22:24:30] | jonk: | sadly, however, he failed |
| [22:24:47] | scopeuk: | how hard can it be to infect a windows pcwith a bloody virus |
| [22:24:59] | scopeuk: | i even have a copy of the virus jsut dosent seam to be biting |
| [22:25:17] | scopeuk: | this is in a vm btw |
| [22:26:19] | Dibblah: | jonK: Clever is not typing things in IRC that you intended for another window. 3 times. |
| [22:27:04] | Dibblah: | I have to admit to having done it myself once or twice, however :) |
| [22:27:40] | GreyFoxx: | the main trick is to avoid pasting in passwords |
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| [22:28:10] | Sean-_: | i wish my car had OBD2 |
| [22:28:16] | Mattwj2005: | scopeuk why would you want to infect a machine anyways? |
| [22:28:24] | Sean-_: | but its a 92 and it has OBD1 i beleive |
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| [22:29:06] | flip987: | trying to enable XvMC output — I get /usr/lib/libXvMC.so.1: undefined symbol: XvMCCreateContext |
| [22:29:42] | scopeuk: | Mattwj2005 a friend has got her system infected and getting usable info is imposible so im gonna use the same virus to infect a virtual system so i can find out what it is |
| [22:30:00] | Mattwj2005: | what type of message? |
| [22:30:52] | scopeuk: | Mattwj2005 that meant for me? |
| [22:30:59] | Mattwj2005: | yeah |
| [22:31:27] | Sean-_: | why do people use MythTV and VLC together for is what i dont understand |
| [22:31:27] | scopeuk: | what you mean what type of message? |
| [22:31:39] | scopeuk: | the virus is a worm that was contracted over msn messenger |
| [22:31:53] | scopeuk: | ive tried googlign every part of it i can think of but i jsut cant fidn anything |
| [22:32:05] | Mattwj2005: | oh okay |
| [22:32:14] | Mattwj2005: | yeah those messenger viruses suck |
| [22:32:17] | honey is now known as honeyzzz | |
| [22:32:26] | GreyFoxx: | Sean-_: What do you mean? Only reason I can think of to use vlcis if you are using mythstreamtv to stream over the internet on low bandwidth connections |
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| [22:32:33] | scopeuk: | it announces itself as a jpg which redirects to a pif stored on the server |
| [22:32:37] | Mattwj2005: | they have been real common lately |
| [22:32:47] | Mattwj2005: | oh my that is messed up |
| [22:33:08] | scopeuk: | only thing i can see is that the vm isent conencted to the net atm so the virus might not be able to fuly deploy |
| [22:33:23] | Mattwj2005: | that would make sense |
| [22:33:48] | scopeuk: | yeh |
| [22:33:56] | scopeuk: | nto rearly sure i wanan put it online |
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| [22:34:00] | scopeuk: | guess i dont have a choice |
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| [22:43:41] | scopeuk: | well i have what i wanted |
| [22:43:50] | Mattwj2005: | you infected it? |
| [22:44:14] | scopeuk: | no i installed an av on the system so i could see if it whould detect it |
| [22:44:19] | scopeuk: | and it caught it at run time |
| [22:44:25] | scopeuk: | im hopign i can jsuttalk her though installing it |
| [22:44:30] | scopeuk: | and that will be the next test |
| [22:44:35] | Mattwj2005: | sounds good |
| [22:44:58] | scopeuk: | its a damn site easier that explaing the use of tasklist and taskkill /im let me tell you |
| [22:45:08] | Mattwj2005: | I am watching the news then I am going to start cooking |
| [22:45:25] | Mattwj2005: | that makes sense |
| [22:46:26] | scopeuk: | as soon as its proplry infected its losign tis net access |
| [22:47:06] | scopeuk: | wonder of qemu is its alwasy under control one mouse click and its dead |
| [22:49:36] | Mattwj2005: | you know I think I found a big in MythTV |
| [22:49:40] | Mattwj2005: | it is a minor one though |
| [22:50:33] | Mattwj2005: | when I manually record a channel for 5 minutes sometimes it says 5 minutes and sometimes it says 4 minutes in MythWeb |
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| [22:52:26] | scopeuk: | ok its now infected |
| [22:52:40] | scopeuk: | tiem to attempt isntaling avg from cd see if it isntall and can still detect it |
| [22:52:46] | scopeuk: | it put enough crap on there |
| [22:53:07] | scopeuk: | somebody should have noticed 8 programs and a yes/no dialog |
| [22:53:14] | scopeuk: | then ie openign and the home page being displayed |
| [22:53:18] | scopeuk: | and changed |
| [22:53:25] | scopeuk: | but apparently they dident notice any of that |
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| [22:55:35] | Mattwj2005: | maybe you need to update it |
| [22:55:45] | scopeuk: | update what? |
| [22:55:52] | Mattwj2005: | avg |
| [22:56:05] | scopeuk: | i did and it detected it when i tried to install the virus after |
| [22:56:08] | scopeuk: | then i removed avg |
| [22:56:11] | scopeuk: | instaleld he virus |
| [22:56:19] | scopeuk: | now ive remvoed its net conenction and im gona ntry avg again |
| [22:56:25] | scopeuk: | i have the update binary on a cd iamge |
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| [22:58:08] | scopeuk: | perhaps i got hte wrong definitions file doesent seam to want that one |
| [22:58:11] | scopeuk: | shall go grab the other |
| [22:58:15] | ajhtiredwolf: | hey im having a problem with my mythtv, the audio lags behind the video, and when i pause video the audio continues |
| [22:58:37] | scopeuk: | is the audio analog from the card? |
| [22:58:42] | Mattwj2005: | well time to cook steak :) |
| [22:58:46] | ajhtiredwolf: | its looped through my audigy 2 |
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| [22:59:04] | scopeuk: | yes then chances are you have it comming straight through from line in to out isntead of piping through myth |
| [22:59:14] | scopeuk: | althoug hthat should put audio ahead |
| [22:59:26] | ajhtiredwolf: | scopeuk, hmmm, how can i check to see if that is the case/fix that hah |
| [22:59:56] | scopeuk: | do you have aumixer or somethign liek that installed for adjusting chanel volumes |
| [23:00:10] | ajhtiredwolf: | Kmix |
| [23:00:10] | ** scopeuk trie to remember the name of the nice gui one ** | |
| [23:00:14] | scopeuk: | kmix should do |
| [23:00:28] | scopeuk: | check in your output that the line in channel is muted |
| [23:00:32] | ajhtiredwolf: | i can control the volume with line in |
| [23:00:37] | scopeuk: | and that its turned on in recording |
| [23:00:46] | scopeuk: | should be able to |
| [23:00:52] | scopeuk: | is the audio ok on recordings? |
| [23:01:04] | ajhtiredwolf: | one sec |
| [23:01:42] | ajhtiredwolf: | scopeuk, theres no section for recording on kmix, and under input only line ine 2 is shown, which is the worng one, the linein that controls the volume is under output |
| [23:02:01] | scopeuk: | hmm |
| [23:02:21] | scopeuk: | can you configure which channels it shows /me hasent used kmix in a long time |
| [23:03:15] | ajhtiredwolf: | scopeuk, looks like output input and switches are the only ones available |
| [23:04:34] | scopeuk: | hmm |
| [23:05:00] | scopeuk: | quick way to check if im thinking right is is there audio on recordings and is it correct if it is then im wrong |
| [23:05:03] | ajhtiredwolf: | scopeuk, i could just download a different mixer that you might recommend? |
| [23:05:13] | scopeuk: | ajhtiredwolf im not fantastic with any of them |
| [23:05:19] | scopeuk: | normally jsut muddle my way through |
| [23:05:34] | scopeuk: | its a problem ive had but a long tiem ago and not on an audigy |
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| [23:06:27] | ajhtiredwolf: | here... let me show you this |
| [23:11:15] | ajhtiredwolf: | scopeuk, nm that didnt work haha |
| [23:11:35] | scopeuk: | ok |
| [23:11:42] | ajhtiredwolf: | scopeuk, well lets see... ummm, I dunno... |
| [23:11:51] | scopeuk: | any one here familiar wit hadjusting mixer levels can help us out a little here |
| [23:12:12] | ajhtiredwolf: | scopeuk, under HD source capture, it says SPDIF that .... important? |
| [23:12:27] | scopeuk: | you using spdif? |
| [23:12:37] | ajhtiredwolf: | scopeuk, errr, i guess |
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| [23:13:23] | scopeuk: | are you usign digital audio capture? |
| [23:13:56] | tybb0: | hrrm |
| [23:14:02] | ajhtiredwolf: | audigy analog/digital output jack has a check, but i dont have anything plugged into it |
| [23:14:14] | scopeuk: | ok so its irelivent then |
| [23:14:25] | tybb0: | "channel number" does that mean the actual frequency or is it just the number in the list? |
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| [23:16:02] | ShockValue: | blah.. anyone use ISOs to rip/play dvd movies? ive tried ripping like 5 different titles in various ways, but all of the linux players barf when trying to play them |
| [23:16:23] | ShockValue: | some form of "cant seek to block ####" and "bad IFO for track ####" errors |
| [23:16:55] | ShockValue: | but, at some point in the past, ive had this working properly (different incarnation, but using xine) |
| [23:17:03] | ajhtiredwolf: | well this sucks... |
| [23:17:09] | scopeuk: | ShockValue look up libdecss |
| [23:17:21] | scopeuk: | someone will proabbly have my head for that |
| [23:17:47] | ShockValue: | well doesnt "fair use" mean i can play my own dang DVDs? |
| [23:17:54] | scopeuk: | should do imho |
| [23:18:27] | scopeuk: | technically it breaks a digital lock and counts as a computer missues fellony akin to hacking in the uk |
| [23:18:32] | ajhtiredwolf: | yeah right, the MPAA dont think you should be able to even TALK about your movies with other people |
| [23:18:35] | ajhtiredwolf: | unless you pay them first |
| [23:19:44] | scopeuk: | although id liek to see it go to trial |
| [23:20:51] | ajhtiredwolf: | its the same thing as making a copy of your VHS tape to take with you on a road trip |
| [23:20:58] | ajhtiredwolf: | people have been doing it for years |
| [23:21:22] | ajhtiredwolf: | and it is in no way subtracting from the products profit |
| [23:21:27] | ajhtiredwolf: | i dont see how they could make a case against it |
| [23:21:30] | scopeuk: | no |
| [23:21:32] | ajhtiredwolf: | or why they would even want to |
| [23:21:38] | ShockValue: | its all going to implode eventually and a new 'method' will rise from the ashes. |
| [23:21:41] | scopeuk: | but since when dothey need a moraly justifiable case to sue someone |
| [23:21:53] | ajhtiredwolf: | good point |
| [23:22:27] | scopeuk: | imho the current culture around littigation is rediculose |
| [23:22:34] | ajhtiredwolf: | the RIAA really ticked me off |
| [23:22:46] | scopeuk: | you and the rest ofthe tech savy world |
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| [23:23:15] | ShockValue: | scopeuk: you using gentoo? (totally different subject, i swear) |
| [23:23:22] | scopeuk: | no |
| [23:23:29] | scopeuk: | y? |
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| [23:23:55] | ajhtiredwolf: | they took down olga.net, my favorite place to read guitar tabs, guitar tabs ( if you dont know) are peoples interpretations of songs, in an easy to read format, people listen to a song, and post how they think it is played, it is not sheet music, and it is not owned by anyone |
| [23:24:00] | ShockValue: | was just looking for a certain package, but not sure where to go about getting it |
| [23:24:03] | npodges: | anyone watching the tigers game? i can hardly believe this |
| [23:24:17] | ajhtiredwolf: | the RIAA took them down saying they violated compyright law, I can't believe that they believe they own copyright ot peoples interpretation of music |
| [23:24:20] | scopeuk: | ajhtiredwolf they gave up without a fight becosue they dident think they could afford the legal costs |
| [23:24:32] | scopeuk: | the riaa took them down by threatenign to sue |
| [23:24:36] | scopeuk: | no legal recouse |
| [23:24:39] | scopeuk: | no judgement |
| [23:24:47] | ajhtiredwolf: | exactly, and that is what pisses me off |
| [23:24:51] | scopeuk: | no reason required jsut a threatt and a huge legal budget |
| [23:25:00] | scopeuk: | i find it rediculose |
| [23:25:06] | ajhtiredwolf: | they are pushing everyone around |
| [23:25:13] | scopeuk: | they get away with it |
| [23:25:19] | ajhtiredwolf: | they think they are god -_- |
| [23:25:25] | ajhtiredwolf: | but thank god at least someone is standing up to them |
| [23:25:43] | scopeuk: | i always fidn the legal section on tpb is funney as hell |
| [23:25:46] | ajhtiredwolf: | they are being sued, I forget who by, but someone is claiming they hold a monopoly on the online music market |
| [23:25:55] | scopeuk: | nice |
| [23:26:03] | ajhtiredwolf: | yeah, I hope they sue the hell out of them |
| [23:26:09] | ajhtiredwolf: | god that would just make my day |
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| [23:26:39] | ajhtiredwolf: | I noticed that the RIAA no longer has a way of contacting their represenatives via email |
| [23:26:47] | scopeuk: | good |
| [23:26:49] | ajhtiredwolf: | im guessing they probably got around 3 million hate emails a day |
| [23:27:02] | scopeuk: | there not part of the government they shouldent be able to take direct liberties like that |
| [23:27:34] | scopeuk: | ammuses me that they abuse a bylaw in civil litigation designed to help the little guy sue large corperations so they can raise a case agaisnt someone with no evidence what so ever |
| [23:28:31] | ajhtiredwolf: | i saw a hilarious video a while back about the RIAA |
| [23:28:55] | scopeuk: | ever heard the song? |
| [23:29:01] | ajhtiredwolf: | this kid downloads music, and then the "RIAA" busts his door down, they are pigs dressed in nazi uniforms and tear his house down with machine guns |
| [23:29:10] | scopeuk: | lol |
| [23:29:17] | Zider: | ajhtiredwolf: metallicops are pretty fun too ;) |
| [23:29:25] | ajhtiredwolf: | ha |
| [23:29:36] | ajhtiredwolf: | yeah, stupid metalicas drummer |
| [23:29:48] | ajhtiredwolf: | <--- afk |
| [23:29:52] | scopeuk: | kk |
| [23:30:06] | ShockValue: | libdvdcss related? |
| [23:30:36] | scopeuk: | yeh they jsut put his door through hes fetching his shotgun |
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