Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Thursday, October 12th, 2006, 00:00 UTC

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Ibeam:

SkaFreak: as well as the user used to run mythbackend

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Ibeam:

permissions etc

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SkaFreak:

alright, well I don't know much about scripting, but there must be some issue, because when I use the init script as root the frontend can not connect, but if I just run mythbackend it at least connects

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SkaFreak:

but even when it connects I can't watch live tv

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aboutblank:

i really don't like how mythtv doesn't change the channel when i press the ch+ button. can i change it to do this?

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BULLE:

SkaFreak: silly q, but have you granted acceess for the user that runs the frontend to the mysql database ?

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BULLE:

aboutblank: doesnt change ?

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BULLE:

aboutblank: and yes you can, its lirc related most likely though

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fuffalo:

i've got a pvr-150 and remote, and im trying to get lirc working – it seems to be installed properly, but when i run irw and hit buttons, nothing comes up

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Pryon:

Hmmmm. Forced audio standard. What does that mean, exactly?

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aboutblank:

when i press the up arrow on my keyboard or on my remote – it puts "adding char" at the bottom of the screen with channel info

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SkaFreak:

The user that I start it as, or the mysql user that I configured mythtv to use to connect to mysql?

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aboutblank:

fuffalo: but your terminal appears to hang? you have to control+c?

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aboutblank:

fuffalo: try "mode2" and see if you get any output

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fuffalo:

"irw mode2"?

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aboutblank:

no.. "mode2"

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fuffalo:

ok

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fuffalo:

stuff comes up when i hit buttons

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fuffalo:

with mode2

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aboutblank:

kk

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aboutblank:

incoming wiki links

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aboutblank:

fuffalo: nvm. here is what i did, and what i suggest. remove lirc. compile the latest (0.8.0) from source. when you do a ./configure, it will ask you for information. do 1: Driver Configuration -> 5: TV Card -> g: Hauppage TV card. Scroll down to 3: Save configuration & run configure

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aboutblank:

then you can make and make install

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aboutblank:

you might not be on dapper, but http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Lirc_on_Ubuntu_Dapper is a very good resource for you

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fuffalo:

i'm on knoppmyth

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fuffalo:

aboutblank how do i remove lirc

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ShockValue:

hokay, so.. i mostly have firewire working.. but for some reason, if i change the channel to 62 (vh1) it gets stuck, and wont recieve anymore data until i turn off the box and manually change the channel

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ShockValue:

any idea why this (or certain channels, i havent tested 100% of them) would do this?

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nasa:

ShockValue: you have a sa3250hd box?

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fryfrog:

does anyone know where to plug the daughter card into a PVR500 to get the opposite of what is on the card by default?

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fryfrog:

ie, i want the card that *doesn't* have a svideo/rca hookup to get one

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nasa:

fryfrog: plz try agian, I don't follow you....

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fryfrog:

The PVR500 has *two* headers to hook up the daughter card

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fryfrog:

I want the one that goes to the 2nd encoder

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nasa:

hmm... never tried to figure that out — it didn't seem to matter.

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nasa:

why do you care?

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fryfrog:

Okay, let me see if I can explain

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fryfrog:

The bracket of the card has 1 svideo, 1 rca. The PVR500 has *two* mpeg2 encoders

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fryfrog:

so, that means that the svideo/rca are hooked to *one* of them

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fryfrog:

what if i want to record from 2 svideo sources, one on each mpeg2 encoder?

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fryfrog:

now, these cards *actually* have 2 or 3 svideo/rca inputs *PER* encoder

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aboutblank:

will my video look better on the tv (over svideo) than it does on my CRT? cause it looks pretty bad on my crt...

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fryfrog:

so, it is possible that header 2 gives mpeg2 chip #1 2x svideo/rca inputs, and header 3 gives mpeg chip #2 the missing svideo/rca

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nasa:

actually, the header has 1 svideo and the card has 1 svideo. And each has a complete set of component inputs. But only the main card has a coax input.

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fryfrog:

aboutblank: no, it looks worse over svideo

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fryfrog:

but you are farther away too

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aboutblank:

...

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aboutblank:

is it normal for it to look a lot worse then it does when just on regular TV?

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fryfrog:

nasa: right, so which header input adds an additional svideo port to the encoder that is missing one?

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fryfrog:

aboutblank: depends on a lot of things :/

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fryfrog:

aboutblank: my *analog* cable looks like crap because my cable company re-sends all the "analog" channels in digital

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** nasa must be really slow. **

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fryfrog:

aboutblank: so, using their digital box the chans are awsome

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nasa:

There's only 2 encoders.... Right?

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fryfrog:

nasa: i'm not explaining it well either

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fryfrog:

right, 2 encoders

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fryfrog:

but for some reason the pvr500 has *two* "daugther card" ports

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fryfrog:

(where as my pvr250 only has one)

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nasa:

Yeah, I noticed that — and I don't know why it does.

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fryfrog:

I *assume* it is because you can choose to add the daugther card's extra RCA/SVideo to either encoder

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fryfrog:

well, obviously *one* of the encoders already has its own set (the ones built into the card)

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fryfrog:

but which one?

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fryfrog:

the pdf doesn't explain, but the picture has it in the far back slot

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fryfrog:

guess i'll take a chance!

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Dagmar:

Or you could read the wiki

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nasa:

fryfrog — The statement that the main card is defined to a set encoder, I don't think is true

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nasa:

but it really won't matter. when you set sources to your card in mythtv-setup the options will be pretty straight forward. Only the card has the coax input, so the daughter card will be the other set

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fryfrog:

all the inputs show up no matter what

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fryfrog:

i mean, both encoders *have* a tuner (there are physically two on the card)

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fryfrog:

even on my pvr250 which only has 1x svideo, 1x rca and 1x rf you can still select up to like, 3 svideo and 3 composites

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nasa:

??

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fryfrog:

forget it, my head is about to explode :)

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nasa:

lol

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nasa:

fryfrog: I have configured this before — just don't have it setup right now to pull up

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fryfrog:

no worries, chances are i won't even use svideo/rca input

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fryfrog:

rar, ivtv probed just fine!

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nasa:

But here's the nice thing you can do.... record 2 stations (and if setup right) watch a 3rd

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nasa:

also you can use the svideo to hook up a vcr or other older video equipment

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fryfrog:

:)

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fryfrog:

i've got 2x air2pc and 2x firewire hd-dvr's hooked to my master be and slave be

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fryfrog:

the pvr500 is going into my parents box, which i'd like to test on them :)

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nasa:

you have firewire going????

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fryfrog:

yes sir :)

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** nasa wishes he could get his firewire setup working.... **

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fryfrog:

i strugged with it *a lot*

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fryfrog:

i *just* switched to using the "broadcast" method, and things are going nicer

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fryfrog:

though I still get a lot of IOBOUND errors

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nasa:

I thougth p2p was suppose to be the way to go....

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fryfrog:

yeah, that is what i thought

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fryfrog:

but i played around with that "firewire_tester" in the contrib dir

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fryfrog:

and it would get lots of errors with p2p

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fryfrog:

but do the -B to "fix" broadcast, then trying broadcast... flawless

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fryfrog:

i can't even figure out what the fuck p2p and broadcast *are* in relation to firewire

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cornell:

Evening all

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nasa:

well, I am off to bed — good luck with the pvr500, fryfrog

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cornell:

I've put two new drives in what used to be my knoppmyth box, and am re-installing knoppmyth r5d1.... Well, new drives, so it's actually an install. I've put in the CD, booted, I hit enter at the prompt, and I see various progress messages. When it gets to "Setting default volumes...", it hangs. Well, it outputs a space (I think, the cursor moves one char and I don't see anything), and it sits there no apparent activity, no h

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vballrican:

wth is the default root pwd in fc5????

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siXy:

whatever you set it to

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cornell:

Suggestions?

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siXy:

*shrug* use a 'proper' distro?

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vballrican:

i did use a proper distro... it didn't ask me for a pwd during install...

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cornell:

Well... it worked nice before, perhaps though, now with a bit of experience, I could move up. What would be a "proper" distro, siXy?

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cornell:

Sorry, were you talking to me, siXy?

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siXy:

vballrican: i wasnt talking to you. but fc5 asks for a root password during install

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siXy:

yeah i was

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siXy:

try ubuntu or fedora – they are the best documented (aside from gentoo, which is a more complex distro and not ideal for beginners)

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cornell:

So... install ubuntu (which I already have on another machine), and then... what, get a mythtv package?

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vballrican:

lol..nm..i remembered it

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vballrican:

;)

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siXy:

yeah. you need to enable a repo (universe iirc) then apt-get install mythtv-suite iirc

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siXy:

or might just be mythtv – not used myth on ubuntu for a little while

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cornell:

The package I'm looking for is mythtv-suite... (or not ;-) ), I'm unfamiliar with "iirc"

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siXy:

in any case – get the edgy beta (6.10) as it has pacakges for mythtv 0.20, whereas the latest stable (dapper, 6.06) only has packages for myth 0.18

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siXy:

iirc = if i remember correctly

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cornell:

Ah... thanks

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siXy:

the pacakges is either mythtv-suite or mythtv – not 100% sure but you can try both

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cornell:

Some folks on a LUG group indicated that 0.20 is problematic. and backed down to 0.19

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vballrican:

uh oh...how do i disable SELinux if i forgot to disable it during install?

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** opello runs from the ras syndrome **

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siXy:

system-config-securitylevel

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vballrican:

I don't see any config under system

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siXy:

pfft. open a terminal and type the command in

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siXy:

cornell: lots of people here are using 0.20 with no major issues

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Zider:

nor minor ;)

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vballrican:

thanks a lot...that worked

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siXy:

aw i dunno. i still consider myththmusic an issue :P

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vballrican:

on to mythtv setup now... :)

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siXy:

nps

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AngryElf:

does anyone here have digital sound working, right now my optical port won't even turn on....any ideas?

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siXy:

vballrican: are you using jarods guide?

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siXy:

AngryElf: read the alsa wiki

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AngryElf:

that doesn't help

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vballrican:

SiXy: yes

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vballrican:

I use it all the way to ivtv then i switch to the actuall mythtv docs

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vballrican:

:) that's what i've done the past 7 times... :)

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siXy:

vballrican: then make sure you disable atrpms and ideally freshrpms straight away after you have installed

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siXy:

under no circumstances do yum update with atrpms enabled

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siXy:

AngryElf: if your soundcard is supported, then the alsa wiki and other related documents will tell you how to use spdif output

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vballrican:

WHAT??? I just ran it... yum -y update!

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AngryElf:

yea, i've read them, and don'e all they say, any other suggestions?

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kormoc:

vballrican, just a hint, not reading what things are doing to your computer is a sure fire way to have things break, and the best part, you don't even know why...

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vballrican:

kormoc: what do you mean?

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siXy:

you are no longer funning fedora. you are now running axel core 5. congrats :)

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siXy:

this is why i dislike jarods guide :/

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kormoc:

vballrican, do you know what get installed or updated?

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fuffalo:

i can't get my computer to use my remote properly (pvr-150). if i run irw and press buttons i get nothing – but if i run mode2 it responds to pushing buttons..im on knoppmyth with a haup pvr-150

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vballrican:

kormoc: i don't know what you're asking

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siXy:

vballrican: fost your yum log to rafb.net

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kormoc:

vballrican, when you did yum -y, it just automatically installed whatever it felt like installing

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kormoc:

vballrican, you have no idea what it did, so when things break, you have no idea where to even start looking...

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siXy:

fuffalo: you need a lirc.conf file for your remote

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fuffalo:

sixy ihave one

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vballrican:

no idea what WHAT did??

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siXy:

well... if your sure its right then restart lirc and try again

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kormoc:

vballrican, what yum did, or any of the other repos...

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fuffalo:

sixy, done that, doesn't work

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vballrican:

it hasn't done anything here yet

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siXy:

vballrican: if you post your yum log, then i can see whats been installed. it might not be a problem, you can probably just uninstall some stuff and it will be ok

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siXy:

fuffalo: if you had a correct lirc.conf in /etc/ then irw would work.

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vballrican:

GENERAL WINDUGENERAL WINDU

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vballrican:

lol

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fuffalo:

sixy, that's not true :(

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fuffalo:

i have the correct one, and mode2 works fine but irw doesn't

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vballrican:

i stopped it..it was only on the 3rd package oput of 280!

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BULLE:

siXy: you got the url to jarods guide ?

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siXy:

its here: http://wilsonet.com/mythtv/fcmyth.php – but i dont reccomend it

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BULLE:

okies

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vballrican:

siXy, so what now?

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BULLE:

i was just curious on what it was

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BULLE:

i will take alook

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siXy:

what pacakges did you install?

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BULLE:

siXy: so what install do you recommend on fedora ?

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vballrican:

i have no idea... it said 3 of 280 and i closed it

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siXy:

ok, so post your yum log :)

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vballrican:

i'm not on here from my box...

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vballrican:

and where do i find the yum log...

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siXy:

in /var/log/

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vballrican:

su

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vballrican:

debbie22

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BULLE:

o/

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BULLE:

vballrican: time to change password /me thinks

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vballrican:

su mybabyis3

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vballrican:

su

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vballrican:

debbie25

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BULLE:

or he is just joking

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BULLE:

its to good to be true, then its not true

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vballrican:

su

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** siXy ssh's at double speed **

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vballrican:

mythtvuser

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siXy:

;) dont worry

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vballrican:

i can't get in...

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vballrican:

ohh... duh!!

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kormoc:

at this point, if he wasn't joking, he deserves what he got

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BULLE:

kormoc: ye

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vballrican:

lol

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vballrican:

i was

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vballrican:

hey, yum.log doesn't have anything

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vballrican:

siXy?

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AngryElf:

when I do mplayer -ac hwac3,hwdts, -ao alsa:device=hw=0.0 dvd.ac3 my optical port turns ona nd my receiver recognizes 2 channels, but i still get no sound, any ideas?

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siXy:

vballrican: bash history?

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kormoc:

turn the volume up!

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vballrican:

?

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kormoc:

siXy, he just did yum -y update

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vballrican:

where is that?

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kormoc:

vballrican, type history or cat ~/.bash_history

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vballrican:

kormoc: but only 3 pkgs installed

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kormoc:

vballrican, but you don't know what packages they were...

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vballrican:

that only shows the commands i have typed

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debugme:

had problem w/ hard drive with all my shows. now all files are renamed ./lost+found/Ixxxxx.RCN. i still have the db. are there any tools to fix the filenames? the file sizes are the same and the original dates are fine.

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fryfrog:

Does anyone use a wireless card in linux?

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kormoc:

debugme, honestly, you should get a new drive, as that's only gonna get worse

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siXy:

vballrican: you can use shift + pg up to scroll upwards if it was recently enough ago

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fryfrog:

I'm reading that airo, hermes and bcm43xx are a good bet

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fryfrog:

but i wonder which *cards* use those?

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ShockValue:

fryfrog – thanks for that dct6200 script to prime the firewire.. its helping my setup quite a bit

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kormoc:

siXy, he already said he closed the window

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siXy:

ah. oh well :/

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kormoc:

fryfrog, I used a wireless router in bridge mode

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vballrican:

i did close it... it was something like glib

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debugme:

kormoc, yeah i did.

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ShockValue:

i asked earlier but then had to leave before i got an answer, so sorry for the repeat: when i change my dct6200 to channel62, it totally craps out on me, and i cant capture any more data from firewire until i manually change the channel on the box and power cycle it..

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ShockValue:

any clue whats going on with that?

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kormoc:

debugme, really, there is no easy way to recover that. assuming the data stat gives on the files are right, you could custom write one, but I doubt anyone else has done so yet

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vballrican:

ok, since you guys have freaked me out now... :( I'm just going to re-install FC5!!

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debugme:

thanks. i just might try that then. at least the date and time on the files mostly match what's in the recordedprogram table.

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kormoc:

debugme, man stat will give you how to get the data, take a look at the --printf=FORMAT section

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kormoc:

debugme, and if you do write it, it would be nice to toss it into the wiki, for others :)

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ShockValue:

ok, different topic. within the "lircrc" file for mythtv, the line "config =". does that refer to the column Action, or Keylist from the keybindings table?

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ShockValue:

heh, my questions must either be stupid, or hard :)

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debugme:

ShockValue, i'd guess KeyList, not action. look at rows where context is "Tv Frontend" and it will make sense.

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ShockValue:

debugme: yes that does make sense, thanks.. i was just looking at the global column

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ShockValue:

hrm.. whats wrong with this lircrc file? mythfrontend complains the file format is invalid: http://pastebin.ca/198629

[02:27:19]

fuffalo:

im going through the knoppmyth intallation and it's asking: "do you have a serial port ir blaster" – my ir blaster is plugged into a jack that looks like it's for headphones, not the serial one.... should i answer "no" to that?

[02:27:28]

fuffalo:

or is that still considered serial?

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ShockValue:

good question.. i would guess no, but <shrug>

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debugme:

fuffalo, serial ports don't usually look like headphone jacks...

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fuffalo:

i know, im just wodnering if this stage of the setup is worded incorrectly

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debugme:

i use a hauppage pvr-250 and it uses a port that looks like a headphone jack, but it's for receiving and it's set as i2c.

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siXy:

fuffalo: there are many exellent howtos for setting up lirc on the hauppauge cards... i suggest you google

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kormoc:

fuffalo, well, if you don't think that stage is, what about the other stages? couldn't they all be worded wrong?

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aboutblank:

if i do 'mythtranscode --honorcutlist --showprogress -i $VIDEODIR/$FILENAME -o $VIDEODIR/$FILENAME.tmp', what codec does mythtranscode use?

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fuffalo:

sixy, trust me, i have been for 2 days

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fuffalo:

this knoppmyth is trying to set things up for me, but it's not doing a very good job

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siXy:

it often doesnt

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sigger_:

apologies because I'veasked before, but noone has mpd integrated with mythtv, do they?

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fuffalo:

in this howto: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Ubuntu_Dapper_Installation it says: "Unless you're using one of the MCE edition cards, chances are you'll want to run MythTV using your remote. To do this, you'll need to Install LIRC" – why wouldn't you install LIRC if you had an MCE Card

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ShockValue:

sigger_: not to my knowledge, but that would be cool

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ShockValue:

i think an integration of mpd could easily replace mythmusic

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vballrican:

ok, my new FC5 install is underway, what do i do before running yum update??

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ShockValue:

yum hamburgers!

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JoshT76:

has anyone had problems compiling mytharchive?

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kormoc:

lots of people seem to have problems compiling anything myth related

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JoshT76:

lol

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JoshT76:

that plugin for me errors out, i have to disable it to compile, but i would like to use it...

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sigger_:

ShockValue: the problem with mythmusic, isn't the playing, its the user interface. mpd does playing; BUT there are clients that are more suited to do things that a remote is not well suited for

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sanmarcos:

hello, is anybody available to give me a hand with an ivtv problem?

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JoshT76:

maybe, what's up?

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sanmarcos:

ok, I have an PVR 350

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JoshT76:

ok

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sanmarcos:

I am using Ubuntu Dapper, and ivtv 0.4 (because thats the kernel that matches)

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JoshT76:

right on

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sanmarcos:

however, I am getting the glibc detected bugs (ABI change) when I try to cat /dev/video0 >> out.mpg, or mplayer

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ShockValue:

$()*&!)(1 how do i save a frickin text file in windows that linux can read properly?

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sanmarcos:

and trying to change the channel with ivtv-tune -c gives me ioctl VIDIOC_S_FREQUENCY failed

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JoshT76:

try to save it as unicoe

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sanmarcos:

ShockValue: set unix line endings

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JoshT76:

unicode

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fuffalo:

i have tv(coax) feed going from my digital box to my computer(tuner) and then svideo going to my tv from my computer – is that the correct setup of things? or should my computer be before the cable box

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JoshT76:

sanmarcos: where did you get your firmware files for ivtv?

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sanmarcos:

ftp://ftp.shspvr.com/download/wintv-pvr_250-3 . . . 2254_inf.zip and I did ivtv-makefwpkg on that file

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sanmarcos:

from the Ubuntu howto at ivtv website, JoshT76

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ShockValue:

ive tried unicode and unicode big endian, still mythtv wont read the lircrc file ive created... but i know its changing, because it spits out different garbage each time :)

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sanmarcos:

JoshT76: ivtv is from the helion deb repository

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sanmarcos:

JoshT76: I do not think it is a firmware problem though as the card is loaded fine and detected

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JoshT76:

sanmaorcos: did you turn on the 350 flag in mythtv?

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sanmarcos:

I am not using mythtv yet

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sanmarcos:

I cant even get ivtv to work :)

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sanmarcos:

JoshT76: the ubuntu dapper tutorial on myth wiki seems extensive

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JoshT76:

hyams?

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sanmarcos:

I dont know what that is

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sanmarcos:

honestly I am tired of things not working in Linux

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sanmarcos:

not Linux sorry, but for myself

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sanmarcos:

nothing seems to work

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JoshT76:

http://hyams.webhop.net/mythtv/myth_ubuntu.html

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sanmarcos:

no, the official one

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JoshT76:

well if you aren't into linux for the long haul, try gbpvr

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JoshT76:

can you send me the link please?

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sanmarcos:

ive been using linux for 6 years

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sanmarcos:

I chose ubuntu because it is more polished than debian or so they say

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sanmarcos:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Ubuntu_Dapper_Installation

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sanmarcos:

that is for breezy, totally outdated

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JoshT76:

worked for me on dapper... :)

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sanmarcos:

i guess luck is with you

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sanmarcos:

you didnt use debs?

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sanmarcos:

ill just drop the debs, build the source

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sanmarcos:

if it doesnt work. I think I have one more reason to kill myself

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fuffalo:

on this page: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Lirc_on_Ubuntu_Dapper it says MCE editions are not supported by LIRC – does that mean I can't use it at all? What are my other options

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Anduin:

fuffalo: Where does it say that?

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JoshT76:

i built mine from the SVN

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hads:

MCE edition what?

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frankrizzo:

I am having trouble making playlists in myth music, its very difficult to work in it

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frankrizzo:

is there anyway to make playlists on another computer, or outside the mythfront end, and get myth music to reconize it?

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fuffalo:

anduin – it says it right at the top under supported hardware: Hauppauge WinPVR 150/250/350/500 (non-MCE edition) capture cards.

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siXy:

the mce versions of the hauppauge cards dont come with remotes. thats the only difference.

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fuffalo:

mine did

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siXy:

well then its not an mce version

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fuffalo:

it came with a remote, a usb thing that i plug into the computer(little box) and a little thing i plug into the back of my digital cable box

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Anduin:

fuffalo: You could only get there by exclusion

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siXy:

ahh it might have ocme with an mce remote.. but those work just fine with lirc

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fuffalo:

alrighty

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Anduin:

Yeah, MCE != no remote, there is a version that comes with a remote kit (MCE USB remote)

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fuffalo:

ahh ok

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fuffalo:

i have that

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sigger_:

frankrizzo: while that would be nice (and possible if myth supported mpd), I am not aware of it curently being done without editing sql data

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siXy:

anduin – there is also a version that comes with no remote

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Anduin:

siXy: Yes, I'm aware

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Honk^away:

an usb/serial ir receiver is only 1–2â‚¬ though ;)

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fuffalo:

so the little thing that plugs into the back of my digital cable box (headphone jack like end, and the other end is just a tiny box with a light in it) is the "ir blaster"?

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Anduin:

fuffalo: support for that chunk of it is more questionable, I don't know if that is still the case (you will be lucky enough to find out)

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siXy:

mce ir blasters are not supported under lirc. you can get cheap serial ones, however

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sanmarcos:

YES I FIXED IT

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sanmarcos:

BLESS THE LORDS OF KOBOL

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vballrican:

siXy: new FC5 install is underway, what do i do before running yum update??

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siXy:

well when its installed, before doing anything do yum update.

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k-man:

hello

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k-man:

how's dvb-t radio support on .20?

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k-man:

is it working now?

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siXy:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Release_Notes_-_0.20

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siXy:

but yes, it is

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sanmarcos:

mythtv-setup should be run as the user mythtv right?

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Anduin:

sanmarcos: as the user you will be running stuff as

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vballrican:

siXy: that's what i did last time and you guys started freaking out!

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siXy:

yeah you need to yum update before you ebanle atrpms

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siXy:

never do a yum update with atrpms enabled – just use it to get myth then disable the repo

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vballrican:

well, i had ran it...

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vballrican:

so do i disable atrpms first? or what?

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siXy:

atrpms is not enabled by default. you need to enable it as per the instructions in jarods guide – but dont leave it enabled :)

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vballrican:

ahh!! duh..here i spent another hour reinstalling and i wasn't at that point yet

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vballrican:

:(

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siXy:

ohhh. whoops :)

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** siXy hides **

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vballrican:

geez...

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siXy:

to be fair we did ask if you had enabled atrpms :)

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vballrican:

no you didn't and i have the log to prove it

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vballrican:

it doesn't matter... honest mistake... :)

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siXy:

[02:25] <siXy> under no circumstances do yum update with atrpms enabled

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siXy:

i kinda feel thats pretty clear....

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vballrican:

ok...and what did i say after that?

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siXy:

oh no thats what i just did

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siXy:

....

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vballrican:

i didn't even know what you guys were talking about... all i know is that i ran yum update and you guys freaked out

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siXy:

fair enough :) if theres somehting you dont understand – always ask as missing bits can lead to problems :)

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vballrican:

i didn't know what atrpms even was...

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vballrican:

lol

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vballrican:

np..i'm running yum update right now

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vballrican:

su

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vballrican:

haha..gotcha

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|Slurpee|:

did a new version of mythtv come out from the summer of code ?

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siXy:

virtually nothing came out of the summer of code

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siXy:

students were all too busy getting drunk to do any actual coding.

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word:

the firewire support that was added recently...does that work for usb as well? the back of my box only has usb :-/

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siXy:

usb is unusual – is it defiantely there to stream video over or is it there for some peripheral for your box? (such as a modem)

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word:

siXy: good question lemme check the manual..

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|Slurpee|:

sixy, thats terrible to hear

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word:

Lol... USB Port – For future use.

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|Slurpee|:

(about the summer of code)

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|Slurpee|:

that was such a great idea

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|Slurpee|:

those kids got a great chance and they all failed ?

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siXy:

yeah thought it might be something like that. usb is a host/client protocol, whereas firewire is a perr to peer protocol, which would make usb an unusual choice for this application

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siXy:

|Slurpee| – couldnt be bothered was more the impression i got. you can view what little they produced at the myth svn.

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word:

siXy: don't satellite companys have to give you firewire if you ask for it?

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|Slurpee|:

i tried myth tv for a few months but i switched to media center because of compatability

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siXy:

i do beleive thats the law... but im not 100% sure – worth checking

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|Slurpee|:

that and my girlfriend got operate it with out the box crashing all the time

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|Slurpee|:

i was planning on switching back to mythtv once the summer of code was finished

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siXy:

myth is actually very stable. luser error is more often the reason for instability :P

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word:

|Slurpee|: things like knoppmyth are getting better at being out of the box good

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siXy:

well there is a new version out, 0.20, but it has nothing to do with S0C

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|Slurpee|:

well this was about a year ago

[04:47:28]

|Slurpee|:

it worked fine when i would use it....but my gf would always mess something up

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|Slurpee|:

i tried knoppmyth last year...that was too basic

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|Slurpee|:

do you know if someone created a sirius satalite radio front end for myth ?

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word:

yeh i guess..it's ok for a low end master that's gonna sit there and just dish out the database to the recorders

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word:

siXy: just found this – http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Controll . . . _D11_via_USB matches my box

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siXy:

ah thats interesting – that should be a much better way of controlling it than an ir blaster, and then you can use a pvr-150 or similar to capture the output.

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word:

Which is convenient since that's what i have :D

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siXy:

excellent :)

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siXy:

reccomend svideo over composite if your box has it

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** Ballsy continues to struggle with his Radeon 7000 **

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Ballsy:

...which...you wouldn't know about...cuz i was talking about it in another channel. *ahem* My bad.

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siXy:

Ballsy: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814133177

[04:59:49]

siXy:

$35

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Ballsy:

$35 ?!? Extortion! :P

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siXy:

^_^

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Ballsy:

I'm trying the ATI driver patch now...just satisfying some deps...

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word:

siXy: yup it does :D

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siXy:

Ballsy – it wont work im afraid. all even vaugly recent fglrx drivers only support > 8500

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siXy:

goog good :)

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siXy:

and the really old ones (if they support it,. which in not 100% sure come to think of it) they will only complie against xfree86

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siXy:

and you have xorg 7 – not a hope im afraid

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Ballsy:

*sigh* Well that's frustrating.

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siXy:

ati cards are often frustrating :)

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word:

I wonder if amd buying ati will have any effect on it's linux support :-/

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Ballsy:

siXy, well, the ATI card works the way I want it to. Just not in linux. So I have a hard time blaming the card, I guess.

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siXy:

blame ati for their shoddy linux drivers tbh.

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Ballsy:

*nods* And to think I used to be able to drive right up to their head office.......if only I'd known !

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kavorka^:

can anyone recomend a good video editing alternative to avidemux?

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kavorka^:

the damm things keeps crashing when i try to open mpeg2 files

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Hoxzer:

GEEZ

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Hoxzer:

I have some serious problems with the system ... a second time in this period when I had skip lesson because I was so late

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siXy:

mpeg2 files are not meant for editing

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kavorka^:

siXy, my intention was to use avidemux to remove the ads then use nuvexport to transcode

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kavorka^:

as doing the cutting via the tv and remote would be a pain

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kavorka^:

do i have any options apart from doing the editing after the transcoding?

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siXy:

well.. you might be able to transcode to full uncompressed frames and edit them – but that would take a while. there may be a more elegant way – personally i dont really use linux-based video editors very often..

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** siXy looks at channel **

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kavorka^:

actually thats probably not a bad idea,ta

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ShockValue:

anyone ever run into the "opened codec" spam problem? it happens sometimes when i watch livetv, and it dumps until it segfaults my box.

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ShockValue:

example here: http://pastebin.ca/198844

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Un1x:

Shockvalu i think you may be able to answer my question can MythTV stream LiveTV to a client via the inet?

[06:08:24]

ShockValue:

i dont think its possible unless you had some serious bandwidth

[06:08:44]

Un1x:

hmm Doesnt mythtv or a similar program have some kind of compresssion utility

[06:08:47]

Un1x:

like asterisk does?

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Hoxzer:

http://nov.4chan.org/po/src/1160490206215.jpg <- cute ^^

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ShockValue:

mpeg is already compressed

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ShockValue:

Hoxzer <- lame ^^

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Hoxzer:

(>_<)

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Hoxzer:

Soilwork is so beautiful

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vballrican:

siXy: you here? I'm up to the point of doing the repos... is that ok?

[06:15:36]

Un1x:

Stream DirecTV from my house. <- This is my FAVORITE – Basically I am using ssh keys and scripts to connect to my MythTV box at home, change to the channel I want, start vlc, which does on the fly transcoding of the signal, then connects to it from my CarPC. The result is a list of channels in my videos menu, I select the channel I want, and it all happens auto-magically.

[06:15:40]

Un1x:

its what i read on some site

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Un1x:

hes somehow streaming vids

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Hoxzer:

j

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Un1x:

http://www.videolan.org/vlc/

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xris:

Un1x: sounds very hacked, but apparently possible

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Un1x:

apperenlt thats VLC

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Un1x:

nah man i got the guys pics of the car

[06:17:21]

Un1x:

he made a clip to of watching a show

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Un1x:

wich i was watching same time

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Un1x:

to be exact prision break

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Un1x:

he was using EVDO network

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Un1x:

dont know the speed specs on it

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Un1x:

i would like to know what his Mytv specs are as in speeds and such

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Un1x:

see if i can replicate and get a good stream for me too

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DIrEctQL:

hey guys

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xris:

vlc is a program designed specifically for transcoding/playing/streaming videos.

[06:18:35]

DIrEctQL:

is anyone using ATSC tuners with myth tv?

[06:19:13]

xris:

DIrEctQL: I used to

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DIrEctQL:

i am confused as how i set it up

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DIrEctQL:

put it in, install it as analog tv tuner card

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DIrEctQL:

right?

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xris:

no, you install it as a dvb card, since it uses the dvb driver

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DIrEctQL:

ahh

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xris:

should be listed as DVB/ATSC

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Hoxzer:

damn, I should buy second DVB-C card

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kraut:

moin

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DIrEctQL:

how about qam

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xris:

DIrEctQL: no clue. never did that.

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sanmarcos:

what is a decent video card to use with mythtv? I assume myth's interface is GL, but the thing is I dont have gl accel

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sanmarcos:

any hints?

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xris:

sanmarcos: any nvidia 5200 or newer

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xris:

assuming you want to use tv out

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DIrEctQL:

xris: so choose DVB DTV capture card?

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vballrican:

hello xris

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sanmarcos:

I have a PVR 350, but I dont even want to think about compiling the x driver

[06:24:32]

sanmarcos:

xris: ok, I do like nvidia

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xris:

DIrEctQL: what version of mythtv are you using?

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sanmarcos:

currently I have a Riva TNT, and I cant get the legacy driver to work

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DIrEctQL:

.20

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sanmarcos:

xris: what do you have? how does it work?

[06:24:58]

xris:

sanmarcos: nvidia's proprietary drivers offer the most functionality in linux. ati is a pain, and the open source drivers for each are somewhat lacking.

[06:25:02]

sanmarcos:

I can get one of those cheap in newegg, say ~40

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xris:

sanmarcos: I have an nvidia 5200 pci in my main mythbox. and a 6600 gt in my workstation (also runs myth occasionally)

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sanmarcos:

the 5200 works fine?

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xris:

sanmarcos: 6200 is usually $5–10 more than the 5200 and sometimes cheaper. sort of worth the upgrade.

[06:25:46]

xris:

5200 works great for normal tv out.

[06:25:55]

sanmarcos:

ok, yeah because the interface is unusable

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xris:

DIrEctQL: odd. thought it said dvb/atsc.. but yeah, dvb should be correct

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sanmarcos:

xris: do you happen to use ivtv?

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xris:

sanmarcos: you can turn off the opengl stuff

[06:26:11]

xris:

sanmarcos: no. I have a firewire connection to my cable box

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sanmarcos:

what provider? does it work good?

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DIrEctQL:

xris: seems that's right

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sanmarcos:

but isnt the UI done in GL? how do you turn it off?

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DIrEctQL:

xris: btw, firewire with my local comcast does not work

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xris:

DIrEctQL: lame. should bitch.

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xris:

sanmarcos: comcast seattle.

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xris:

and the UI is GL by default, but there's a setting somewhere to turn it off.

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sanmarcos:

xris: you get HD with all the bells and whistels?

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sanmarcos:

xris: I thought it was QT, anyhow I do need to upgrade my card

[06:28:10]

xris:

sanmarcos: yup

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sanmarcos:

my riva tnt is been with me since 99

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xris:

sanmarcos: the gl stuff is new.. it's *all* qt, no matter what. you can turn it off — just a db setting, but I can't seem to find it (I know there's an option in the frontend config, too).

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sanmarcos:

never failed me, in many countries.. with EXTENSIVE use. I am thankful to nvidia

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sanmarcos:

xris: oh, so there is an option you can change graphically?

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sanmarcos:

or in the sql

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DIrEctQL:

xris: will do

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xris:

sanmarcos: both. just not sure where.

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sanmarcos:

xris: I am assuming 6200 is better than fx5200

[06:30:16]

xris:

sanmarcos: yeah. I don't know enough about them to say how much better, though.

[06:30:24]

xris:

kormoc would know the specifics if he was here.

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xris:

lazy bum has been sleeping too much. heh. (also working too much)

[06:31:15]

siXy:

the fx series sometimes have overscan isseus

[06:31:58]

siXy:

also the 6 series have better video accel.. although exactly how much of this is implemented in the linux driver i cannot say. but i would still reccomend the 6200

[06:32:09]

sanmarcos:

indeed, I am not going for the FX

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sanmarcos:

but I am certainly going with nvidia, because their Linux support, and because I trust them

[06:32:31]

xris:

fx I think is generally lesser

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sanmarcos:

does it matter what brand the card is

[06:32:40]

siXy:

yeah ati and linux are not the best of bedfellows

[06:32:45]

sanmarcos:

I see XFX, Gigabyte, PNY, does it really matter?

[06:32:56]

siXy:

nah not really. tho fanless is a good plan.

[06:32:57]

xris:

sanmarcos: sort of. again, I rely on kormoc for my hardware advice.

[06:33:11]

xris:

fanless is fine in most cases for a low end card like that one.

[06:33:19]

sanmarcos:

I do not have pci express, is AGP 4x better than PCI ?

[06:33:19]

siXy:

asus have a nice fanless 7300 out actually – thats quite cheap too

[06:33:32]

siXy:

yes. most defaintely

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xris:

I think in that group, gigabyte would be the better.. but it's purely opinion...

[06:33:40]

xris:

sanmarcos: agp is better, yes.

[06:33:54]

sanmarcos:

well I am about to spend MAX 70. I dont really play games or do that much

[06:34:07]

sanmarcos:

just need a decent tv out, linux graphics card that will give me something for years to come

[06:34:12]

siXy:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814133177

[06:34:18]

siXy:

$35

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sanmarcos:

I am checking newegg, thansk for the link

[06:35:07]

sanmarcos:

I still dont get about the brands. I would go with PNY or Gigabyte

[06:35:14]

sanmarcos:

but I really dont know, anyhow, Ill do some research

[06:35:19]

siXy:

no hdcp tho – thats the only hting that might trip you up depending on which way hdtv goes in the future

[06:35:21]

sanmarcos:

if anybody wants to recommedn something to me, feel free

[06:35:32]

sanmarcos:

siXy: well only the high end cards have hdcp right?

[06:35:34]

xris:

siXy: nice reviews on that card, too. :)

[06:35:39]

sanmarcos:

and you need like a quad core 5 ghz processor to do that?

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xris:

sanmarcos: none that I know of actually have hdcp yet.

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sanmarcos:

right thats my point

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sanmarcos:

hdtv I will do in 2009, when congress has made a special date to screw us all

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siXy:

xris: some of them do, but its mostly the expensive ones atm

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siXy:

hdcp is fairly easy to break, in theory, so it might not even be a problem

[06:38:25]

sanmarcos:

NVIDIA > AGP4x/8x / Geforce 6 Series

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siXy:

i have to say, however tht unlike motherboards i have noticed little if any difference between the makers of gfx cards. generally they are so busy trying to get the things out the door that they stick quite closely to refernce designs

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sanmarcos:

ahh

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sanmarcos:

does 128mb vs 256mb really make a difference if you dont do hard core gaming?

[06:39:49]

xris:

not really

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siXy:

nah. myths interface should fit within 128mb just fine.

[06:40:06]

Tronic:

If you run 3d desktop, it certainly does.

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siXy:

i need to go now, however.

[06:40:27]

siXy:

yeah but who runs 3d desktop on a htpc? :)

[06:40:29]

Tronic:

The more video RAM you have, the more windows you can have before they start turning black.

[06:40:49]

Tronic:

Oh, this was about HTPCs?

[06:41:07]

Tronic:

However, I guess that 3d desktops would be about as good there as anywhere.

[06:41:14]

siXy:

yeah.. have you fallen into the wrong channel by mistake?

[06:41:32]

siXy:

mythtv is kinda meant for htpcs....

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siXy:

anyways gtg. bb

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Tronic:

Some eyecandy bling-bling to show to your friends, while boosting with MythTV's awesome timeshift and commercial skipping abilities ;)

[06:42:02]

sanmarcos:

and also, what is the minimum of memory to run myth?

[06:42:32]

** Tronic runs MythTV on desktop, because there simply isn't any other program that could do even nearly the same. **

[06:42:51]

xris:

sanmarcos: I've seen it run in 256, but I think 384 is generally considered the min

[06:42:59]

xris:

I have 512 in mine and it's great

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Tronic:

VDR is even more HTPC oriented, as it is almost impossible to even get it working without a hardware decoder card with TV output.

[06:43:12]

sanmarcos:

yeah, I have 256mb ddr 266

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sanmarcos:

i dont know if to get 256mb or a 512dimm

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Tronic:

... and none of the other programs seem to be doing anything useful on this sector. They can barely do any playback of DVB, and that's it.

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sanmarcos:

anybody here using ivtv ?

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xris:

sanmarcos: I think ddr runs slightly better in pairs. but if it's just for mythtv, you likely wouldn't notice the difference

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sanmarcos:

I dont know why I am getting picture with noise, its not a cable/hard issue because in win it worked fine

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Tronic:

(even the playback doesn't work properly, because the players have small buffers and they cannot sync playback with anything else than the sound card, the result of which being frequent buffer under/overruns.

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sanmarcos:

if anybody can pastebin a ivtvctl -a, Ill be thankful

[06:44:37]

Tronic:

)

[06:45:26]

Tronic:

Yet, I'd really love to have a desktop-oriented UI for MythTV rather than its current HTPC-oriented UI.

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Tronic:

0.20's ability to not hide the mouse pointer helps a lot, though.

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Juski:

Tronic: mythtv has had that since ... oo way back

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Tronic:

Which?

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Juski:

hiding the mouse pointer

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Tronic:

The feature that I am interested on is NOT hiding the mouse pointer.

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Juski:

as for 3d UIs.. you can keep em. I've seen Elisa & think it sucks

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Juski:

Tronic: that's been around for ages.. the hide/not hide feature

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Tronic:

The option not to hide the mouse pointer didn't seem to be there in 0.19.

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Tronic:

I only found it the first time after installing 0.20.

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Juski:

oh it was, believe me

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Juski:

and it was in the same place IIRC

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Juski:

the only thing to do with the mouse in 0.20 over 0.19 is improved mouse gesture support

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Tronic:

I am not going to argue about that and I am not going to downgrade to 0.19 just to verify it, either.

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Juski:

I'm not going to argue about it either – just stating the fact it's not a new feature

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Tronic:

Right.

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ShockValue:

so weird.. i can watch ch61 CMTV, and CH63 MTV, but tuning to 62 VH1 crashes my box

[07:02:29]

Juski:

the box has developed taste in music!

[07:02:40]

sanmarcos:

ok, I have narrowed my choice to 6 cards

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Juski:

sanmarcos: none of them software encoders I hope....

[07:03:07]

sanmarcos:

no, I am taking about video cards

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Juski:

ah

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sanmarcos:

I am between a 6200 128mb (low end PNY), or high end 660 256mb (34 fuzion, evga), roughly the same price

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sanmarcos:

I just dont know if I can trust eVGA and 3d fuzion

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Juski:

make sure you keep the sales receipt whatever you buy anyway ;)

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Juski:

it's generally ok to buy unknown brand vga cards IMHO.. so long as they use a well known chipset

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Tronic:

sanmarcos: I highly recommend getting one with passive cooling.

[07:05:16]

sanmarcos:

no fan you mean?. Yes I already have two LOUD fans

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Juski:

sanmarcos: I 2nd that ^^

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Tronic:

I suppose that all devices in your range are available in passive versions.

[07:05:44]

sanmarcos:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814143056 < high end

[07:05:47]

Tronic:

The GFX card fans tend to be far worse than those that come on motherboards.

[07:05:58]

sanmarcos:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814133151 < low end

[07:06:05]

Tronic:

(which in turn tend to be far worse than any half-decent CPU cooler)

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sanmarcos:

I just use the fan that came with the box

[07:06:31]

sanmarcos:

I dont think it really matters, cpus die at 90C, they never reach that, before I used to be paranoid

[07:06:33]

Juski:

Tronic: it's the smaller diameter, higher revolutions.. and usually bad designs

[07:06:35]

sanmarcos:

now its just whatever

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Tronic:

Juski: Yes.

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** Tronic personally uses only liquid cooling for high-end gfx cards. **

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Tronic:

Passive for low-end.

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Juski:

if you're not going to be doing games or HDTV an fx5200 would be sufficient

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Tronic:

DIY blocks, as there are no suitable commercial products available: http://delenn.homelinux.net/photo/Waterblock-soldering.jpg http://delenn.homelinux.net/photo/Waterblock-installed.jpg

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sanmarcos:

well its only 40 to 80 bucks

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Tronic:

All the commercial ones tend to be huge (blocking the next one or two card slots) and ineffective (small water chamber and that's it).

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sanmarcos:

I can afford that, besides I want to replace my old Riva TNT with something that is good and lasts

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Tronic:

The parts for these DIY ones cost about 3 â‚¬ each. And in addition to that, 30–60 minutes of work.

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Juski:

I've heard of folks having problems with 6200 cards.. no overlay support or something like that

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Tronic:

s/each/per block/

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sanmarcos:

Juski: overlay?

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ShockValue:

5200 is sufficient for HD too if you have a good system to back it up.. im currently doing it with a 4000

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Tronic:

Strange. All 6x00 series GeForces seem to have disappeared from the market.

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Juski:

sanmarcos: yeah something about not being able to use overlay I think...

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Tronic:

Have they already moved to 7000 series?

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Dibblah:

Juski / etc: Nope. 6200 supports all features that Myth uses.

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sanmarcos:

sorry for my ignorance, what is overlay

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sanmarcos:

Tronic: yes

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ShockValue:

the only problem i had with my 5200 is that it wouldnt do 1080i out of the DVI port, but it would out of the dsub.

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Juski:

Dibblah: must be a different series I'm thinking of then

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Juski:

there's too damn many now

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sanmarcos:

im between a 6200 and a 6600 roughly the same price (10 dollars more, and 128bit instead of 64bit). The 66 is eVGA and the 62 is PNY

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Tronic:

It is generally a good idea to buy cheapest card of the newest generation if gaming is not a priority.

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Juski:

.. just as long as it doesn't use that RAM sharing crap

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ShockValue:

their both no-frills brands.. they follow the nvidia geforce specifications though, so either would be fine

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Juski:

turbocache...

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Tronic:

That one way one gets as good extra features (such as HDTV decoding) and long-time driver support.

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ShockValue:

oh yeah.. turbocach is garbage ;)

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Tronic:

Nvidia occassionally drops support for older cards.

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Tronic:

Do they even sell that Turbocache crap separately?

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Juski:

they occasionally break their drivers too

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Tronic:

I thought that one only gets them in OEM machines.

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Juski:

Tronic: seen them in shops so yes they're sold openly

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Tronic:

Juski: Sucks :/

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Dibblah:

http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/ . . . ght=1#160365

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Juski:

they say 'turbocache' like it's a good thing, too

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Juski:

cheers for clearing up my misunderstanding, Dibblah :)

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Dibblah:

I was under a similar misapprehension at the time of that post.

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Juski:

sanmarcos: btw overlay is used to draw stuff onscreen directly through a memory port without cpu intervention IIRC

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sanmarcos:

Juski: i think ill go with th eevga 6600. I dont mind the fan, it doenst look that loud

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Dibblah:

Any fan is a bad plan.

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Juski:

sanmarcos: go fanless if you can

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Juski:

with fan is a bad plan

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Juski:

quiet fans don't stay quiet

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Dibblah:

Go for a card with a big heatsink instead.

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Dibblah:

Or buy a xeon heatsink, like what I did. The card looks really amusing spanning 4 PCI slots.

[07:23:02]

Dibblah:

Drill 4 holes into the base of the heatsink, screw into the already-provided mounting screws. Doesn't get much simpler than that.

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Dibblah:

mounting holes, even.

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Dibblah:

Hmmm. I'm *sure* I have some stock hardware lying about here. But I can't think of it at the moment. Everything seems badly designed when bought :)

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sanmarcos:

there are no fanless 6600

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sanmarcos:

ill go with http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814133151

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sanmarcos:

of course I assume that agp8x is backwards compatible with agp4x

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Tronic:

sanmarcos: Sure? I am almost certain that there are.

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sanmarcos:

not in newegg

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sanmarcos:

anyhow I dont need a 6600

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Tronic:

Yeah, 6200 sounds better for video use.

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sanmarcos:

oh, the 6200 has a fan

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sanmarcos:

newegg got their picture wrong

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Tronic:

My 6200 is passive.

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Juski:

there's not only newegg who sell VGA cards you know ;)

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Tronic:

And it also was cheap.

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sanmarcos:

Juski: what do you recommend?

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sanmarcos:

so I should definately go fanless

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sanmarcos:

can you remove the fan on a card?, will it still work?. I am guessing they put the fan in there for a reason

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Juski:

sanmarcos: don't ever remove a fan unless you're gonna beef up the cooling another way

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Juski:

and I dunno about suppliers in the USA, cos I'm not there

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hot_wheelz:

Hi does anyone here have have a MythTv box using Ubuntu 6.06.1 a Asus P5B Deluxe,Asus 7300GT, Hauppauge Nova – T 500 Dual Digital PCI housed in a silverstone lc16m by any chance?

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Agrajag-:

are you serious?

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mchou:

haha!!

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slaine_:

At least he was precise

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mchou:

7300GT? I think that's a slight overkill :)

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sanmarcos:

mchou: I like your "haha!!". In a world of "roflmao" and "lol"'s, your writing exceeds the status quo by all means. I will keep it in my mind

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hot_wheelz:

why what's wrong that config

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Juski:

sounds noisy

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Agrajag-:

hot_wheelz: nothing is wrong with it, the funny part is you asking if anyone else had that exact configuration

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mchou:

nothing. just the chance of someone else having that same exact config is 0 :)

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mchou:

sanmarcos: what can I say. I try to avoid cliches :)

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mchou:

sanmarcos: hanging out on irc is hardly conducive to a haute writing style

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mchou:

sigh.....

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sanmarcos:

indeed brother

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sanmarcos:

amen!!

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mchou:

I guess I'll just sell my comp on fleabay. no takers yet on craigslist

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hot_wheelz:

I am sick of testing hw I just that is decent and just works...I was just seeing if anyone an image of that config beacuase that is what I was considering using and I just maybe somone had it configured already that's all

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mchou:

hot_wheelz: what's the exact issue w/ yer hw?

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Juski:

hot_wheelz: so long as the dvb-t tuner is supported in the kernel you use it should all just be fine

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mchou:

hot_wheelz: I suggest you get rid of that box anyways. No need for a tooaster

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mchou:

toaster*

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Juski:

yeah silverstone HTPC boxes are no good for real PCs

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Juski:

my LC02 takes a full size board, but no way would I call it suitable

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mchou:

Juski: I wasnt commenting on Silverstone. More the proc

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Juski:

you could prolly cool it enough but it wouldn't be quiet

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hot_wheelz:

I haven't that hw yet but was what I was considering I just want a decent system and I just want it to work

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mchou:

sigh

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hot_wheelz:

What

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mchou:

hot_wheelz: "work" means different things to different ppl

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Juski:

the only potential snag is the tuner you've chosen, but it's supported in linux – so if it's not supported by the ubuntu kernel you can use Hg modules from linuxtv.org

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mchou:

if you want stuff to "work" dont buy a PC. All have busted ACPI implementations

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hot_wheelz:

oh ok...I wish this like KnoppMyth worked but kernel in that is OLD!

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mchou:

hot_wheelz: so?

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hot_wheelz:

brb

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mchou:

as long as you have all required drivers what's the issue?

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Juski:

installing mythtv on ubuntu is pretty easy.. though I'd recommend you choose edgy rather than dapper – there's every chance the dvb-t tuner you opted for will just work (tm) out of the box

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Juski:

and in edgy there are official 0.20 debs

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Juski:

though whether they're 0.20-fixes is up for debate

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hot_wheelz:

well the first card I ever tested with KnoppMyth was a FusionHDTV DVB-T Dual Digital and it didn't work has the kernel been updated now?

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sanmarcos:

anybody here using ivtv can do me a favor?

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hot_wheelz:

mchou?

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sanmarcos:

quick question, in btween a PNY 6200 64 bit (no fan) 256mb 69.99, and a EVGA 6600LE 256 128bit (79.99), what would you guys take?

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Juski:

hot_wheelz: what's the big deal about knoppmyth anyway? it doesn't make stuff all _that_ much easier

[08:08:20]

Juski:

OI! NO unsolicited messaging!

[08:08:26]

Juski:

OI! NO unsolicited messaging!

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hot_wheelz:

sorry

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hot_wheelz:

Juski: did u say Ubuntu 6.10 had v0.20 out of the box?

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Juski:

ducking assholes

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D-side:

Juski: okay.

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Juski:

nothing boils my piss faster than folks I don't know from Adam msging me

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Dibblah:

mchou: I take it you've seen http://acpi.sourceforge.net/dsdt/

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D-side:

heh

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Juski:

it's my own fault for not knowing anything about scripting in irssi. that's gonna change today though

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dorel__:

im experiencing a whole lot of crashes with mythtv on an amd sempron 3000 and amd 64bit 3100. is anyone else on this boat?

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sanmarcos:

try debugging

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Beakster:

yo

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dorel__:

sanmarcos: how so?

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sanmarcos:

gdb mythfrontend

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sanmarcos:

then bt

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dorel__:

sanmarcos: i've put mythfrontend on debug=all but when it crashes i dont see anything on the log or just see Segmentation Fault...

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Juski:

compile with debugging enabled, then use gdb.. you know.. like it says in the FM

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Juski:

see the troubleshooting section of the mythtv FM

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dorel__:

Not sure I want to recompile it from source cause im on debian sid and i just use the packages from apt, i wonder if it is already compiled with debug

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Juski:

I doubt it very much tbh

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pilly:

anyone know where I can find some real info on setting up mythweb everything I've found is either outdated or just plain bad.... I have 0.20 compiled on debian (mepis)

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qu0zl:

dorel__, install the source package for your package, then edit the debian/rules file to turn on debug

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qu0zl:

then just regenerate a new package

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Juski:

pilly the .htaccess tells you most of what you need to know. if you can read you should be ok

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dorel__:

qu0zl: right. i might just do that then. where did you say i can find more info about this?

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pilly:

ok... solid answer.... I'll go read.....

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qu0zl:

google really, not being smart but that's where i always find it. Search for 'making debian packages', there's a few quick guides to it out there

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dorel__:

qu0zl: yep, i was referring to the debugging part of mythtv rather than the debian source pacakges :)

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scopeuk:

how about modifying debian packages

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qu0zl:

that's what i just suggest scopeuk :P

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scopeuk:

dorel__ hes sayign take debians mythth tv source package and modifying it for debug

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scopeuk:

qu0zl i meant asa sugestion for a search terms

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qu0zl:

ahhh, touche ;)

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Juski:

douché

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scopeuk:

i shoud rearly get going to my lecture

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scopeuk:

damn it i still have tea left

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scopeuk:

late guys

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dorel__:

thanks guys, im gonna google on debugging it

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Juski:

dorel__: just build it from source, or hell even using a newer -fixes version might fix it

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Juski:

it's not hard.. well building it ain't anyway

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dorel__:

Juski: i dont think there's any newer version.

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jave:

how long cables are possible with hdmi?

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Juski:

yeah there will be.. in svn's -fixes branch

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Juski:

jave: officially 15 metres. longer, unapproved cables are possible

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jave:

ah, cool.

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Juski:

anything up to 25m

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jave:

thas beter than dvi right?

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Juski:

dunno

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jave:

still, 15m is good

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jave:

ive made a mythtv installation but I'm having usability issues with the media library

[09:00:38]

dorel__:

hmm, thats my latest version 0.20–0.1

[09:00:51]

jave:

is it possible to search for a movie by title for instance?

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ivor:

hmm, time to consider switching to ext3?

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ivor:

http://www.linux.com/article.pl?sid=06/10/12/0355223

[09:08:00]

jave:

yes, sad...

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jave:

ive gt all my data on reiser3

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Juski:

jave: no it doesn't have a search facility but you can edit the titles to live within categories & then filter by category in the browser/gallery

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Juski:

how much porn do you have anyway? ;-)

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Juski:

ivor: ext3 til I die, maaan o/

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dorel__:

same here.

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pilly:

ok I've configured .htaccess and checked with firefox... and all I get from 127.0.0.1/mythweb is a dir listing

[09:12:33]

ivor:

hmm I've never lost any data to reiser... but lost two drives that had ext3.

[09:12:35]

jave:

Juski: Thanks my pr0n collection is manageable, but not the rest of the media db :)

[09:12:59]

Juski:

don't be ashamed of calling it what it is :)

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Juski:

mythgoatse

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jave:

lol

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pilly:

I've lost data to reiser thats why I went ext3 this time

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Juski:

category listings will be your best bet I reckon

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dorel__:

Juski: can you think of some suggestions how to eliminate hardware problems first? like memory, cpu, motherboard...?

[09:13:49]

Juski:

dorel__: go 32-bit instead?

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jave:

Juski: do you have alink describing categories setup?

[09:14:25]

Juski:

what am I? google?

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pilly:

whats up with the best hope of a reiser rescue is a win app??? like wtf...

[09:14:47]

Juski:

jave: use the video manager to make categories & put videos into categories

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jave:

hmm ok Thanks

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Juski:

then in 'watch videos' either in gallery view or browse mode, press the menu key & filter from there

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jave:

sorry about confusing you with google, your handle was so similar :)

[09:15:39]

Juski:

pfft

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Juski:

there are a couple of differences between google & I. 1. I'm not quite worth as much. 2. I'm evil but not _that_ evil

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ivor:

oh yes you are

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jave:

:)

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Juski:

I don't kill baby kittens every time somebody searches for goatse

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ivor:

I thought goatse had been turned off.

[09:17:27]

ivor:

or has someone mirrored it.....

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ivor:

perhaps I won't check at work....

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Merlin83b:

Beirdo: You around?

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Merlin83b:

Oh, never mind. For reference, changing the include in nuv2avi's reencode.c from <lame.h> to <lame/lame.h> got rid of that compile error I was getting.

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ivor:

tap tap. somethings not working.

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ivor:

nothing on the channel for nearly an hour.

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** ivor checks his network cable. **

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Hoxzer:

My frontend crashes sometimes :E "buffer overwrite"

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Hoxzer:

but I can deal with it

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Juski:

ivor: don't worry – it just means everybody but Hoxzer has mythtv working ok (same old same old)

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pilly:

can anyone help me with mythweb? I'm getting 403 forbidden error on 127.0.0.1/mymyth

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Hoxzer:

yeah, but I dont think so buffer overwrite is caused by messed up setup ... anyway

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Juski:

pilly: what part of the .htaccess & readme file is so hard to follow?

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Merlin83b:

I just rolled out a mythweb update (damned changing protocol numbers!) in about 1 minute. It's a pretty easy process.

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Juski:

heh. just enlightened a manager here about kibi, mibi, mebbe...

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Juski:

WD HDD sizes are quoted in multiples of 'maybe' bytes :)

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Merlin83b:

Heh.

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Juski:

wow. people are getting away with charging £1.50 ea plus P&P for case badges on Ebay

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siXy:

pfft i wish i hadnt chucked my box of spare badges then :(

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siXy:

i had loads

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Juski:

blimey I'd never be able to retire on the back of these with paypal & ebay fees

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lwizardl:

what video capture cards would allow me to record 720p/1080i streams

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Juski:

lwizardl: digital HDTV tuners and (with suitable cable receiver), over firewire

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lwizardl:

Juski: like what? I'm not a cable tv subscriber. I have Dish Network

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Juski:

you cannot record component or HDMI with low cost (i.e. < $500) tuner cards – and the >$500 cards prolly won't work in linux or be supported by mythtv

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Juski:

lwizardl: your options are either: 1) get cable or 2) use OTA HDTV

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lwizardl:

i have a OTA box

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Juski:

OTA.. i.e. HDTV with an antenna on the outside of your house

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lwizardl:

yes

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lwizardl:

OTA = over the air free channels

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lwizardl:

i have a voom hd box with ota active

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Juski:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Configuring_HDTV

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LLyric:

OTA digital tuner cards are cheap and reliable, now. Now I know it's not HD, but some of them have composite-in, which might be good enough for some applications....

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Juski:

software encoding is never good enough for any application IMHO

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siXy:

anyone know a pci soundcard with multiple independant outputs that a) works in linux b) inst made by m-audio?

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Zider:

independant from what?

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siXy:

each other

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Zider:

ah

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Zider:

how many is"multiple"?

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Zider:

I think I have a card with two line-ins

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siXy:

well at lest 2 stereo

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quicksilver:

he said out not in

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quicksilver:

I think

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Juski:

siXy said outputs not inputs

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siXy:

outputs not inputs...

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Zider:

ah, misread it

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Juski:

most cards with surround will do independent outputs if the driver allows it

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Juski:

you should (in theory) be able to get 3 stereo outputs from a regular 5.1 output card

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siXy:

you mean just dmix the output to treat rear as a separeate device?

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siXy:

for example

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Juski:

yeah

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Juski:

like I said it depends on the driver allowing it

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siXy:

hmmm that a good thought.

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siXy:

any suggsetions as to a very alsa-friendly card?

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siXy:

actually thinking about it the mb has one of those 6-jack hd audio thingies on it – that might well do the job on its own

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siXy:

will give that a whirl and see how it goes – i have no wish to battle with m-audio devices again if i can avoid it :(

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Ruleke:

hmm small question : every time the EIT scanner prints "Added X Events", does this mean X new/modified events were added to the db ?

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GreyFoxx:

Ruleke: yup

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Ruleke:

hmm incredible

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Ruleke:

every 5 minutes it adds about 200 event

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Ruleke:

s

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Ruleke:

:-/

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brad_mssw:

anyone remember the site that lists the FTA satellites and stations available?

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Corp186:

I'm having some issues with playback on my mythtv system

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Corp186:

I was hoping I might be able to get some help here

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Ruleke:

brad_mssw: lyngsat ?

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Ruleke:

Corp186: you might :)

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brad_mssw:

Ruleke: yep, that's it... thanks

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Ruleke:

np

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Juski:

bah I hate 0402 resistors

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Corp186:

well, I've used gentoo for a long time and haven't had any real problems with mythtv on it

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Corp186:

My last system reinstall I put ubuntu on it

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Corp186:

and now all the playback of tv stutters

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Corp186:

and it may be the os

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Corp186:

it may not

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BULLE:

Corp186: uppgraded mythv to 0.20 at the same time as you replaced gentoo with ubuntu ?

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Corp186:

but I'm not sure where to start fixing it

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Corp186:

it happened with 0.19 too I believe

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Corp186:

on ubuntu

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BULLE:

define "belive"

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Corp186:

I can't remember, but am pretty sure I had problems back then too

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Corp186:

it's been a while

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BULLE:

i doubt its ubuntus fault, per se

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Corp186:

I've built another box for someone else with almost the exact same components using gentoo and it uses a few percent cpu

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Corp186:

my box uses about 30–40% cpu

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Corp186:

for playback

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BULLE:

what process eats that much cpu ?

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Corp186:

mythfrontend

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BULLE:

tried diff playback engines ?

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Corp186:

like libmpeg, xvmc?

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Corp186:

if that's what you mean, then yes

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Corp186:

unfortunately, xvmc gives me artifacts

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Corp186:

and libmpeg doesn't help

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BULLE:

ye, that was what i was thinking of

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Ruleke:

sounds like xvmc issues eh

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Corp186:

and again, the other system uses the default engine at about 1–5% cpu usage

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Corp186:

I've also built mythtv from scratch on ubuntu

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Corp186:

could be a configure issue, but I doubt it

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Corp186:

I've been doing that for a while without issues

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Ruleke:

with xvmc support ?

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Corp186:

no

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Corp186:

seems that xvmc with deinterlacing has problems

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Corp186:

and random black dots in white areas

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Corp186:

even still, I think mythfrontend still used a large amount of cpu with xvmc

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dverzolla:

Hi!

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dverzolla:

Has anyone doing scheduled in 0.20 via mythweb?

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Corp186:

with xvmc, no deinterlacing, 35% cpu usage from mythfrontend

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Corp186:

tried it right now

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Corp186:

hmmm

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Corp186:

it may have to do with the signal quality on the cable tv

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Corp186:

I found a post related to it on the mailing list

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Corp186:

going to try that out

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Juski:

dverzolla: mythweb 0.20 has a bug. you need mythplugins 0.20a or greater

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** Juski whips the out of date packages to within an inch of their pointeless lives **

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dverzolla:

Juski, I has installed the latest stable version of mythplugins (a)

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dverzolla:

Juski, and not work too, now I'm getting the latest svn version...

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siXy:

any germans here?

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Ruleke:

I wonder why that information is relevant :)

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ivor:

he's probably got a good joke

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siXy:

ah found it. nvm

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siXy:

needed to know german vat, but google knew it :)

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Ruleke:

heh

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Zider:

google and/or wikipedia istheshit

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Ruleke:

yeah well I ordered some stuff from germany before, yet I'm not german

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Ruleke:

so your question was flawed :)

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Zider:

Ruleke: you're flawed :P

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Ruleke:

that too

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Zider:

;)

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Ruleke:

because I'm not german ? :-(

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Ruleke:

hehe

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siXy:

yeah but if you have no intention of paying vat, its usefull to know how much its gonna cost :)

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Zider:

shame on you ;)

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siXy:

im not _supposed_ to pay vat so :P

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** Ruleke wonders how well openchrome works on CN700 **

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siXy:

just fine

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** ivor wonders why Ruleke wonders **

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Zider:

siXy: why not?

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siXy:

buisness

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Ruleke:

ivor: EN12000 epia goodness :-P

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ivor:

people pay VAT? wow.

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Zider:

siXy: ah

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siXy:

i do occasionally have to work, sadly i cant idle in irc all my life :P

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Ruleke:

ivor: are you Ivor Hewitt ?

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ivor:

uh oh.

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Ruleke:

just wondering

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Zider:

ivor who-itt?

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Ruleke:

not such a common name

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Ruleke:

I followed the work on the unichrome reverse engineering quite closely so :-P

[14:11:31]

someoneelse:

that was ages ago.

[14:11:48]

siXy:

Ruleke: check out the EN15000

[14:12:08]

siXy:

hdtv encoder and onboard component video

[14:12:18]

Ruleke:

same as EN12k iirc

[14:12:23]

Ruleke:

just active fan

[14:12:29]

Ruleke:

and 1.5Ghz :P

[14:12:34]

Ruleke:

hence the "15"

[14:12:39]

someoneelse:

the faster you go. the more cooling you need.

[14:12:41]

Ruleke:

correct me if I'm wrong

[14:12:49]

siXy:

just checking..

[14:12:51]

Ruleke:

no kidding ? :p

[14:13:11]

Ruleke:

I didn't think the hdtv encoder worked yet though...

[14:13:28]

someoneelse:

so if you want cool and quiet... you'll want passive cooling.

[14:13:48]

Ruleke:

vt1625 or something I thought

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[14:14:00]

Ruleke:

not checked on it recently

[14:14:28]

ivor:

ooh, has it got component out connectors?

[14:14:49]

siXy:

cant find the en13k :/

[14:14:50]

Ruleke:

â€¢ 1 LVDS/TTL/DVI module connector (an add-on card is required)

[14:14:51]

Ruleke:

â€¢ 1 Component (YPbPr) video pin header

[14:15:08]

Ruleke:

siXy: never heard of it... you must mean the SP13K ?

[14:15:12]

ivor:

nice.

[14:15:18]

siXy:

<Ruleke> same as EN12k iirc

[14:15:22]

siXy:

you said it :P

[14:15:25]

Ruleke:

12

[14:15:35]

siXy:

aaaahh i cant read

[14:15:37]

Ruleke:

havign those countign problems again ?

[14:15:43]

Ruleke:

stop drinking methanol

[14:15:51]

Ruleke:

;)

[14:16:59]

siXy:

yeah maybe your right... but then the world comes back :(

[14:17:00]

Ruleke:

bah race condition between my fingers typign "n" and "g"

[14:17:11]

Ruleke:

I blame the keyboard

[14:17:25]

Ruleke:

and the fact that I never learned to type properly

[14:17:31]

siXy:

enermax do a lubbly one for £60 :D

[14:17:48]

siXy:

yeah the en13k looks good

[14:17:53]

Ruleke:

12k

[14:17:57]

** GreyFoxx wonders how many users are actually using the upnp stuff for playback **

[14:18:21]

Ruleke:

GreyFoxx: I'd REALLY liek to use it... problem as I see it, I have no way of knowing what device will work

[14:18:26]

siXy:

GreyFoxx: i plan to with slimserver ass soon as i get a spare 20 mins

[14:18:30]

Ruleke:

gah my typing is terrible

[14:18:50]

GreyFoxx:

Ruleke: Well , any UPNP 1.0 compatible device "should" work

[14:18:58]

GreyFoxx:

but there is a list on the wiki I think of tested ones

[14:19:00]

siXy:

pfft you cant get the 12k here yes

[14:19:02]

siXy:

*yet

[14:19:26]

GreyFoxx:

Ruleke: I've written a patch to adding in regular sharing of mythvideo content as well and want people to test it :)

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GreyFoxx:

Most of my testing has been with djmount and a Dlink DSM 320

[14:19:41]

Ruleke:

erm

[14:19:54]

Ruleke:

yeah I saw a mythvideo upnp patch pass by

[14:20:14]

siXy:

GreyFoxx: that sounds very useful – but as my mythbox isnt even alive atm i cant really help with the testing

[14:20:18]

GreyFoxx:

yeah, I plan on adding support for pulling the coverfiles as well and a few other minor changes

[14:20:20]

ivor:

so what woudl a upnp front end show? just a list of recordings?

[14:20:22]

Ruleke:

2

[14:20:27]

Ruleke:

ticket 2565 ?

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GreyFoxx:

ivor: Music from mythmusic, recordings, and with that patch the mythvideo imported files

[14:20:47]

GreyFoxx:

and you can stream/play them

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Ruleke:

I think I might have a hauppauge mvp lying around I could test upnp with

[14:21:21]

GreyFoxx:

Ruleke: That's the ticket yeah

[14:21:36]

GreyFoxx:

Ruleke: Does mvpmc do upnp now? I haven't turned mine on in a while

[14:21:48]

Ruleke:

I saw it in git

[14:21:55]

siXy:

GreyFoxx: in a month i can probably help some on getting sonos to work

[14:22:01]

GreyFoxx:

It would be nifty to add not only MediaServer abilities but Media Renderer as well.

[14:22:13]

Ruleke:

what's media renderer ?

[14:22:34]

GreyFoxx:

The client requests a file and the server transcodes on the file to the requested format/size/bitrate

[14:23:06]

GreyFoxx:

they do that now with a kludge and vlc, but this would make it all in anice clean package with no setup effort

[14:23:15]

siXy:

its fine if you have a fast backend but....

[14:23:26]

Ruleke:

hmm yeah reading the Device Template from upnp.org...

[14:23:39]

Ruleke:

display gallery on picture frames, now there's an idea :)

[14:23:58]

GreyFoxx:

siXy: Obviously not useful if you are running a P3600 for a backend

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Ruleke:

P2–300 backend :)

[14:24:09]

GreyFoxx:

but any XP2000+ should be able to do it

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siXy:

:)

[14:24:14]

Ruleke:

I dare anyone to go slower

[14:24:21]

GreyFoxx:

And it's not a "you gotta use it" feature :)

[14:24:43]

GreyFoxx:

Ruleke: hehe I once used a P166 for a frontend :)

[14:24:48]

ivor:

and usually you'd be dropping to a much lower res/bit rate so the encoding would be pretty fast.

[14:24:54]

siXy:

well actually for me its one of the biggest advantages to 0.20

[14:24:58]

GreyFoxx:

But I cheated and added custom support for playback with a dxr3

[14:25:08]

GreyFoxx:

ivor: Yup

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Ruleke:

ah yes

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Ruleke:

I would like to to playback with my pcmcia margi card ;)

[14:25:31]

GreyFoxx:

transcoding on the fly with vlc is pretty low on cpu so it could be done

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GreyFoxx:

Heh my coworker that had brought in the DSM320 I was using for testing was let go this morning, so I don't have easy access to that particular player anymore :)

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GreyFoxx:

But for now I'm using DJmount to verify that I can access/play the data properly

[14:27:52]

siXy:

anyone know what the max amount of ram 0.20 frontend uses in normal use?

[14:28:15]

GreyFoxx:

siXy: I have 4 frontend with 128meg of ram in each

[14:28:28]

siXy:

backend on the same machine?

[14:28:31]

GreyFoxx:

no

[14:28:43]

siXy:

ok, thanks thats perfect

[14:28:44]

GreyFoxx:

my frontend+backend machine has 512

[14:29:15]

Ruleke:

I had a 0.19 backend+frontend with 256, not tried 0.20 yet, installing that tonight

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Ruleke:

GreyFoxx: mvpmc is just djmount :)

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siXy:

is there a way to get a menu for which dvd drive to use when playing a dvd?

[14:39:03]

siXy:

making a very large backend and would like more than one dvd/cd drive if possible but not unless its easy for the users

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caitlin:

I have a complaint

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qu0zl:

Juski is the public relations director Caitlin, please direct it to him

[14:40:19]

caitlin:

there's nothing really left to tweak!

[14:40:35]

qu0zl:

start over with new hardware. it's why i'm moving to pentium-m :)

[14:40:53]

caitlin:

i could put more tuner cards in, i suppose, but to be honest, all the TV is pretty crappy

[14:41:07]

siXy:

hmm. try gentoo on an epia. im pretty sure you will never run out of stuff to tweak there

[14:41:10]

caitlin:

i was really enjoying ironing everything out

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caitlin:

hmm, windows on an epia is pain enough cheers

[14:41:39]

qu0zl:

mythtv's great on epias

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caitlin:

mine is a bit sluggish

[14:42:05]

qu0zl:

mines a sp13000, so it's speedy enough for my purposes

[14:42:13]

caitlin:

it's a 1G cpu, but since it's a Csomething or other it's only *really* equivalent to an 800Mhz thingy

[14:42:24]

qu0zl:

yeah, but they've got xvmc, so that's half the work

[14:42:33]

Ruleke:

I like my epias

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ivor:

magic pixie dust

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caitlin:

pxe is scary, i hate it

[14:42:58]

Dibblah:

pxe is fine.

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Ruleke:

pxe is terrible

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caitlin:

i wound up shouting at the damn board: "STOP BOOTING WILL YOU, YOU'VE GOT NO MEDIA" and trying to kick the dhcp server into not giving out addresses to it :P

[14:43:33]

Dibblah:

DHCP -> pxelinux -> tftp -> kernel -> NFS. Nothing simpler.

[14:43:35]

caitlin:

it's just kind of ghostly

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caitlin:

you can't do it over more than one lan segment though

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fryfrog:

quick, stupid wireless question! I have a wireless card w/ an antenna that screws on. It isn't screwed on right now (its at home, i'm at work). Would anyone expect it to be able to pick up a signal when the WAP is 2 feet away?

[14:44:17]

Dibblah:

caitlin: Eh?

[14:44:25]

caitlin:

fryfrog, not really

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ivor:

fryfrog: usually.

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Dibblah:

Everything apart from DHCP is routable.

[14:44:38]

fryfrog:

ahha

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Ruleke:

actually I prefer plain bootp instead of some dhcpdiscover extension :P

[14:44:43]

ivor:

fryfrog: normally the cards have both and internal and external antennae

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fryfrog:

i kind of hoped it'd get something

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fryfrog:

ivor: this one for *sure* has no internal antenna

[14:44:55]

ivor:

depends on the design of card

[14:45:04]

ivor:

fryfrog: in that case.... not a hope in hell./

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fryfrog:

i just hoped some signal would leak in, i'm testing in gentoo and it *doesn't* seem to be latching on

[14:45:18]

caitlin:

most radio shit needs an antenna, or the circuits arn't tuned right

[14:45:25]

fryfrog:

i was *hoping* that was cause it isn't getting signal

[14:45:33]

caitlin:

you need the resistance from the antenna or something </not an electrical engineer>

[14:45:34]

fryfrog:

cause if i did it wrong, that'll suck :)

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Dibblah:

fryfrog: That's likely.

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ivor:

just make a little antenna and stick it in.

[14:45:56]

fryfrog:

i was surprised at how easy ndiswrapper was to get working!

[14:46:00]

Dibblah:

Unless it's a WGT634u you're talking to. Then the bloody thing has probably fallen over.

[14:46:06]

ivor:

ndiswrapper? eeeuuuwwww...

[14:46:09]

qu0zl:

fryfrog i've used cards with no external antennas before

[14:46:12]

qu0zl:

over a few metres

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fryfrog:

ivor: i have the antenna, its arms/hands that are about 30miles long that I need :)

[14:46:28]

qu0zl:

those anetnnas are only something like 6 dbi, so they're not really that giant a boost

[14:46:29]

caitlin:

you need a woman installed in the house

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ivor:

get a paper clip, measure, cut, connect.

[14:46:41]

fryfrog:

http://www.belkin.com/support/download.asp

[14:46:52]

Dibblah:

43mm, if I remember right.

[14:46:55]

fryfrog:

see the 3rd one, at the bottom? The one that is liek 1/3 as tall as a full pci slot?

[14:46:59]

fryfrog:

with the wired antenna?

[14:47:00]

fryfrog:

that is the one

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fryfrog:

it *definatly* has no internal antenna :)

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ivor:

Dibblah: yup sounds about right

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fryfrog:

caitlin: my house woman is at class :(

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siXy:

pfft slot-loading drvice are so expensive :(

[14:47:46]

Dibblah:

fryfrog: And hopefully not able to read your chat logs.

[14:47:46]

fryfrog:

I'd try and get the dog or cat to screw it on, but I suspect they would just get it all slobbery :/

[14:48:00]

fryfrog:

ahah

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caitlin:

phone the police, they'll do it

[14:48:04]

ivor:

ah, both the card and antenna are remote?

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Ruleke:

Dibblah: chat logs are public :)

[14:48:08]

fryfrog:

nah, i don't think she knows about "screen" :)

[14:48:16]

Ruleke:

;)

[14:48:24]

Dibblah:

Oh, yeah. We'd better not give her the URL, then ;)

[14:48:25]

fryfrog:

ivor: yah, i do-be setting up over the interwebs from work :(

[14:48:27]

ivor:

in that case.. you're screwed

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caitlin:

or unscrewed

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fryfrog:

thats okay, she probably says worse stuff about me on her myspace page :)

[14:48:44]

ivor:

:D

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caitlin:

since its an antenna

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fryfrog:

What is the difference between a light bulb and a pregnant woman?

[14:49:05]

Ruleke:

myspace... I keep hearing about that

[14:49:06]

fryfrog:

You can unscrew the lightbulb :)

[14:49:07]

caitlin:

it's what she says to her friends you wanna worry about :P

[14:49:10]

Ruleke:

:P

[14:50:15]

ivor:

ah... somedays you just sit back and think christ I'm working with morons.

[14:50:15]

Ruleke:

It's what she says to YOUR friends you want to worry about ;)

[14:50:33]

fryfrog:

thats true :0

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Ruleke:

ivor: cheers ;)

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caitlin:

it's what she *whispers* to your friends you wanna worry about

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Ruleke:

It's what she *does* with your friends...

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fryfrog:

oh, fark me

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fryfrog:

wlan0: encryption modes supported: WEP

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Ruleke:

ok I'll stop now

[14:51:41]

fryfrog:

no wonder it doesn't work :/

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caitlin:

wpa?

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Ruleke:

fryfrog: haha ndiswrapper powah

[14:51:51]

ivor:

caitlin: nah "yes yes yes YEEESS" isn't usually whispered.

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GreyFoxx:

Ruleke: They use djmount for recordings? I thought they were using nfs/the mythprotocol.. I really should go read their site again and plug mine back in

[14:52:03]

fryfrog:

Ruleke: its some old ass 11mbit card :(

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** caitlin wouldn't know about that kind of thing **

[14:52:16]

Ruleke:

GreyFoxx: for myth they do myth protocol or nfs

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Ruleke:

GreyFoxx: just the general upnp stuff

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** caitlin is a quiet polite young lady **

[14:52:25]

Dibblah:

Ick. http://www.cs.um.edu.mt/~cstaff/courses/lectures/csa2060/c5.html

[14:52:29]

fryfrog:

Ruleke: I guess i need a WEP for my dslite when i get it, might as well ad a WEP vlan

[14:52:34]

Ruleke:

fryfrog: might still be ok with wpa_supplicant

[14:52:36]

fryfrog:

restricted by mac :p

[14:52:39]

Dibblah:

"gcc doesn't just compile C programs. It also `loads' them, and prepares them for execution"

[14:52:44]

fryfrog:

Ruleke: i'm using wpa_supplicant

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fryfrog:

i'll try wep, see if it works

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Dibblah:

Some lecturers should be shot.

[14:52:51]

Dibblah:

Then shot again.

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Ruleke:

well the driver is crap then ;)

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fryfrog:

i concur!

[14:53:11]

fryfrog:

but it was left-overs

[14:53:20]

fryfrog:

i think i have a usb linksys around, but...

[14:53:22]

fryfrog:

blech :p

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Ruleke:

it might work with a decent open driver

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fryfrog:

I couldn't find one for the model of card it is

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ivor:

caitlin: really? oh. :(

[14:55:04]

ivor:

:)

[14:55:55]

caitlin:

maybe i should start developing for myth... then i could have lots of irritating problems to work on

[14:55:55]

ivor:

so.. is everyone having a good day?

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caitlin:

and i'd have to learn to program first as well

[14:56:23]

Ruleke:

ivor: define good :P

[14:56:27]

ivor:

nah, learning isn't necessary, you just have to look at the code to know that.

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netrix:

anyone else have a pvr 500 with the new samsuck tuners?

[15:02:36]

Juski:

netrix: see the ivtv mailing list about such things.. you is needing a kernel band-aid patch type thing

[15:02:53]

Juski:

and with that, I say it's time I fecked orf. ta-tah

[15:03:00]

ivor:

damn the mythmusic gui really needs some polishing.

[15:03:17]

netrix:

Juksi: i did and tried some of the patches ... didn't make much of a difference.

[15:03:28]

scopeuk:

no what my music needs is a frsh start

[15:03:39]

netrix:

Juski: guess i'll keep googling ... wish my new pvr had the good ole phillips tuners tho.

[15:04:08]

ivor:

has anyone proposed any new gui designs for it?

[15:06:11]

Ruleke:

netrix: should work ok with the latest kernel iirc

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netrix:

Ruleke: 2.6.18?

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fryfrog:

netrix: my new one appears to have them

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Ruleke:

netrix: yes

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fryfrog:

netrix: I'm using 2.6.18 and ivtv 0.8.0 and the dmesg reports it gets detected just fine

[15:09:10]

fryfrog:

netrix: but i haven't *tested* them yet

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netrix:

fryfrog: but how is your picture quality?

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netrix:

frydrog: when i flip tuners in myth (using 'y') the phillips tuners are crystal clear and the samsungs are kind of fuzzy.

[15:22:46]

fryfrog:

netrix: haven't tested yet :(

[15:23:05]

netrix:

fryfrog: okay, lemmie know when you do :)

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netrix:

fryfrog: mine and detected fine and work just fine, but the picture quality is subpar compared to the older pvr500 with the phillips tuners ...

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fryfrog:

tuner 1–0061: type set to 70 (Samsung TCPN 2121P30A)

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fryfrog:

thats the one i got, you?

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netrix:

sec.

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netrix:

yup: tuner: type set to 68 (Samsung TCPN 2221P30A) by ivtv i2c driver #1

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netrix:

slightly different i guess.

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netrix:

i guess tuner type 70 is only defined in ivtv 0.8.0 ...

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netrix:

fryfrog: have you cat'ed /dev/videox to see what the picture quality looks like?

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fryfrog:

netrix: i don't even have anything hooked to it now

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fryfrog:

so i'd only be telling you what my static looks like :)

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fryfrog:

plus, my analog cable is pretty ugly anyway

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netrix:

fryfrog: too bad, i'd love to know if a newer kernel and the 0.8.0 driver looks any better.

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fryfrog:

i suspect not

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fryfrog:

plus, i don't really have anything except *digital* to compare to

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fryfrog:

so its gonna look worse no matter what :)

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netrix:

me neither ... from googling it seems its an outstanding issue with this tuner. :(

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netrix:

fryfrog: dvb?

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fryfrog:

netrix: air2pc dvb (hd) and firewire from a digital STB

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netrix:

fryfrog: you in europe?

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netrix:

fryfrog: you can get stb's with firewire here. sucks.

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scopeuk:

netrix you mean cant?

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ivor:

scopeuk: surely "can't" ?

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scopeuk:

that what im thinking dont think ive ever seen a uk stb with firewire

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caitlin:

what's an stb?

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BULLE:

caitlin: Set Tob Box

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Fnc-1_:

fryfrog: what you mean...air2pc dvb (hd) and firewire from a digital STB

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scopeuk:

the "old fasioned" way toget cable/satalite

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BULLE:

scopeuk: i dont think they are common, if they even exist, in europe

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Fnc-1_:

the digital stb is feeding the air2pc?

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BULLE:

scopeuk: i have never seen one either, and im from sweden

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scopeuk:

there is no mandate for em i mean why whould the cable co's do soemthign that wont make them more money instantly

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Fnc-1_:

or 2 seperate things

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scopeuk:

hell cant even useyoru won cable box inthe uk

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scopeuk:

use your own*

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fryfrog:

Fnc-1_: sorry, I have 4 devices, 2x air2pc (QAM Cable) and 2x HD STBs

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Fnc-1_:

you get hd stb via fw or what?

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BULLE:

scopeuk: i doubt the cable companies have invented their own standards, they are using dvb-c

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BULLE:

scopeuk: so you have good chances of being able to use a dvb-c pci card, to reveice the digital stream

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scopeuk:

yeh except there is hell to pay for conencting "un authorised devices" and every thine on digi is encrypted

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scopeuk:

the analog is all in the clear

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BULLE:

scopeuk: the digi encryption is also standardized, that is what you have CAMs for

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scopeuk:

my tv use to pickup discovery channel on its own

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scopeuk:

BULLE yeh but by the tiem you done you mays well jsut use a standard capture card and an ir blaster cheaper

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BULLE:

scopeuk: and they cant realy enforce you to not connect what you want, to their network ......

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scopeuk:

iirc its in the contract they can disconect you for it and chargeyo ufor "damage"

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BULLE:

scopeuk: not much cheaper, and you do get crappier picture and loose 5.1 sound etc

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scopeuk:

yeh

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scopeuk:

also i dont know if ther eare any cams that are compatable with uk cable

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BULLE:

scopeuk: i bet there are

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scopeuk:

probably

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BULLE:

scopeuk: im using a dvb-c card, on a cable network, where teh cable company only offers ONE box, their box, for the net etc

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BULLE:

scopeuk: i just dug up the tech specs of the STB, and it turned out it uses conax standard encryption

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scopeuk:

they use two diferent kinds of stbs

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BULLE:

scopeuk: i paid something like 160euro, for pci card, cam, postage and packaging etc

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BULLE:

and i must say that picture quality is WAY bettern then with my old wintvpvr 250

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BULLE:

and, i get 5.1 sound

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scopeuk:

nice

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netrix:

you guys are lucky .. there is no such thing as a stb with firewire here in canada. :(

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BULLE:

netrix: i think its only in the u$a

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scopeuk:

there arnt in the uk

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BULLE:

netrix: and there are no such stbs in sweden

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nadia007:

stb?

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scopeuk:

set top box

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BULLE:

Set Top Box

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fryfrog:

BULLE: you are in sweden?

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scopeuk:

liek a cable co or satalit company provides/requires

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BULLE:

fryfrog: yes sir!

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fryfrog:

ah

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scopeuk:

BULLE long shot dotn happen to know a guy who goes by the tag guru3 do you?

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nadia007:

thx!

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netrix:

BULLE: so you have cable connected right to your dvb-c card and there are no issues with encryption?

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scopeuk:

netrix he has a cam

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BULLE:

netrix: i have a cam

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netrix:

okay, northamerica here... whats a cam?

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scopeuk:

cable access module

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BULLE:

netrix: i ordered a technotrend 1500-c budget card, with conax cam, from dvbshop.net

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scopeuk:

you plugyour cable card into it nd it passes over the encryption codes

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nadia007:

cams... isn't that what satellite uses?

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netrix:

ah!

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netrix:

i see.

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scopeuk:

satalite use the same stuff

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BULLE:

netrix: after looking at the dvb linux mailinglist ans asking a few developers what hardware to buy

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netrix:

are cams legal?

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BULLE:

and no, no problems, amazingly enough, it was easier to install the dvb-c card then the wintv-pvr 250

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BULLE:

netrix: duh, yes

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scopeuk:

netrix your not breakign encryption etc

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BULLE:

netrix: you still need a card

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nadia007:

emulating cams isn't, but having a legit cam from provider is.

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BULLE:

netrix: and a channel subscription

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** BULLE has legit cam **

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netrix:

BULLE: like i said ... in canada (where i am from) the best we can get is analogue.

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BULLE:

netrix: i see

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nadia007:

netrix, you can get sub from Bell, then they'll provide cam!

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BULLE:

netrix: here, its pretty common that boxes have a CAM slot, so you buy box, then CAM that is compatible with whatever satellite or cable company you have, then you use it

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netrix:

nadia007: no way ... what card would you use for it?

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BULLE:

anyone of you americans that can explain how cablecards differs from cams ?

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BULLE:

just same thing, different standard, that is used in usa only ?

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scopeuk:

cable card is screwed up propriatory and locked down

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scopeuk:

just what ive read

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BULLE:

scopeuk: from what i understood, the idea is basicly the same as with CAMs

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BULLE:

scopeuk: buy hardware, insert the cablecard for your provider, and off you go

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nadia007:

netrix, I'm not familiar with dvb and myth, but If you have a dvb card that accepts cams, you can hook up your bell cam to it and connect satellite.

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BULLE:

scopeuk: the problems are mainly cable companies stalling and trying to make the things not work

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netrix:

nadia007: thanks for telling me ... maybe i have more options than i thought to get a better signal into my myth system.

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jduggan:

hi all, i've a question related to the sound system people have connected up to their frontend.. i wish to pass 5.1 audio from my sound card into my own amp and speaker system.. how would i go about doing this

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nadia007:

netrix, where in Canada?

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jduggan:

will spdif out/in to my amp do this?

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netrix:

nadia007: pickering ontario.

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BULLE:

jduggan: connect the digital output of yoru soundcard to your amp ?

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nadia007:

netrix, you're on the otherside! I'm in Vancouver. I had vdr running with dvb-s card. It was nice with bell.

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snorp:

dudes, where does myth store its recorded files?

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scopeuk:

jduggan should do

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jduggan:

BULLE: ok, what lead do you use for spdif, is it a specific 'spdif' lead, forgive my ignorance im not so clued up on audio related stuffs

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BULLE:

snorp: where you configure it ? ( default is /mnt/store i think )

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nadia007:

netrix, I'm now seeing how myth would play nice with my twinhan 102g!

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snorp:

BULLE: aha, thanks

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BULLE:

jduggan: no, no special spdif lead is needed

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snorp:

hmm

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scopeuk:

jduggan optical or electrical spdif?

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snorp:

BULLE: do you know if there is a way to give them slightly better names? :)

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scopeuk:

electrical (phono is jsut a normal lead)

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snorp:

(where "better" = "readable by people")

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BULLE:

snorp: no, afaik not

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BULLE:

snorp: use nuvexport if you want to export the files i would say

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netrix:

nadia007: wow ... i didn't know that was possible in Canada. I'm gonna have to look into it.

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jduggan:

scopeuk: optical i believe?, it's an sblive 5.1 card with spdif out

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BULLE:

snorp: you should NEVER remove or alter files outside of the mythfrontend or nuvexport realy

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snorp:

BULLE: nod

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snorp:

BULLE: I just want to export the files over samba

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snorp:

so I can play them with xbmc

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BULLE:

he, just as i do

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BULLE:

i just export the dir as read only, via samba

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BULLE:

then use vlc to play them, works nice

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nadia007:

netrix, configuring vdr was a beast though!

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snorp:

but having 1045_20061012092838.mpg show up in xbmc isn't very useful :)

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snorp:

maybe it will read the thumbnail

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fryfrog:

snorp: use "mythrename --link"

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snorp:

hmm, I don't have that

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fryfrog:

it makes prettified names

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** snorp searches **

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fryfrog:

its in ./contrib

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BULLE:

fryfrog: weeha, didnt know that exists, what is it, and where do i enable it ?

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snorp:

ah

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fryfrog:

on my gentoo box, it ends up in /usr/share/mythtv/contrib

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netrix:

nadia007: so you have bell expressvue then right?

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BULLE:

fryfrog: its just script that creates prettified links ?

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fryfrog:

yup

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BULLE:

nice

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fryfrog:

well, it *can* rename the files (it fixes the db too)

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fryfrog:

but the links are what i like for it

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BULLE:

im not intrested in that realy

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BULLE:

yeah, links are fine with me

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snorp:

bah, lame

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snorp:

atrpms doesn't package it

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fryfrog:

bastards!

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fryfrog:

just grab the mythtv source, its a perl script

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fryfrog:

i think you'll need some cpan modules too

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BULLE:

snorp: they do

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BULLE:

snorp: package it

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BULLE:

snorp: i use atrpms rpms, for my FC5 box, 0.19

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snorp:

BULLE: hmm, which package

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BULLE:

snorp: i have it

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BULLE:

[bulle@localhost contrib]$ rpm -qf mythrename.pl

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BULLE:

mythtv-0.19–129.rhfc5.at

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snorp:

weird

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snorp:

I'm using 0.20

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BULLE:

/usr/share/doc/mythtv-0.19/contrib

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snorp:

oh, doc

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snorp:

yeah, I have it

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BULLE:

o/

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snorp:

this script is some hotness

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snorp:

how do I make it run after every recording :)

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jduggan:

scopeuk: does my amp need optical in, or does it use some other input?

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nadia007:

netrix, I have DN and Bell

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fryfrog:

snorp: I set mine up to run by cron.hourly

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snorp:

ah

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snorp:

that works

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nadia007:

anyone know if they make s-video to composite adapter?

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SuperSack56:

i have a multiple-input video switcher which can take either s-video or composite inputs and output to both, which works, but if you don't have multiple inputs it's sorta overkill

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stevenh:

nadia007: yes, i have gotten them from radio shack as well as over the net. radio shack was way expensive.

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nadia007:

stevenh, was it a simple adapter or had to get one of those multifunctional dvd to tv converter thingeys!?

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stevenh:

it was simple

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nadia007:

hmm... what is a reasonable price?

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SuperSack56:

http://www.svideo2rca.com/sv3rca.html

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nadia007:

svideo also transfers audio?

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SuperSack56:

no, it doesn't

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SuperSack56:

you can get adapters from a standard headphone jack to RCA connections

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nadia007:

s-video to 3 rca?

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fryfrog:

nadia007: most video cards come with an svideo -> rca cable

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fryfrog:

and it is svideo -> 1 rca

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fryfrog:

the red and white in composite cable carries audio

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fryfrog:

which I don't get... *video* is way more data than audio, why does it only get 1 and audio gets 2?

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nadia007:

ah... didn't see the audio jack!

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fryfrog:

lame

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fryfrog:

svideo does not carry audio

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SuperSack56:

audio typically has at least two channels ==> two connectors

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nadia007:

fryfrog, hey thx for the tip on the hardware last time we spoke. I did end up with pvr150 and nvidia 5200.

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fryfrog:

spiffy, how is it going?

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fryfrog:

i'm building a little system with a PVR500 and a nvidia 5200 right now

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nadia007:

well... I think I installed it right... followed a guide I found on the net for ubuntu.

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fryfrog:

ah

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nadia007:

my image is black and white on my tv.

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fryfrog:

zounds!

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nadia007:

it was color once upon a time, but don't know what happened.

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fryfrog:

that was the problem that ummm

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fryfrog:

someone was having

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fryfrog:

what version of ivtv?

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SuperSack56:

i had an svideo-composite adapter that would only do bw and no color, it was a real pain in the ass

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Dagmar:

Also called "broken"

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nadia007:

I have it plugged into my dvd (has s-video) then to my tv, was thinking about getting a s-video to composite adapter to see if that fixes it.

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nadia007:

version of ivtv... hmm.. don't know.

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nadia007:

I think when I tried to install lirc it messed everything up!

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SuperSack56:

on an unrelated note, does anybody know anything about what to do about errors like this?

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SuperSack56:

** glibc detected *** double free or corruption (out):

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SuperSack56:

when trying to get into mythvideo...

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nadia007:

can you view your iso directly from myth, or do you have to mount the iso and then run myth and try to view iso that way?

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Juski:

fryfrog: audio comes on 2 connectors (at least) because unlike video it's not modulated. In composite video, luminance info makes up most of the signal, and chrominance (i.e. colour) is added at the top end of the frequency range. In svideo they're carried seperately without any need for filtering at the TV end – hence it's better quality. RGB & component offer further improvements because the signals are completely se

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nadia007:

so having svideo will improve the video quality coming from cable?

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nadia007:

get rid of some of the static that shows up?

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Juski:

nadia007: probably not. if it's crap to start with, svideo won't make it look any better

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Zyxus:

the mythvideo imported files

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Zyxus:

[10:20:48] +GreyFoxx | and you can stream/play them

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Zyxus:

[:21:14] Ruleke | I think I might have a hauppauge mvp lying around I could

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Zyxus:

test upnp with

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Zyxus:

[10:21:21] +GreyFoxx | Ruleke: That's the ticket yeah

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Zyxus:

[10:21:36] +GreyFoxx | Ruleke: Does mvpmc do upnp now? I haven't turned mine on in

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Zyxus:

a while

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Zyxus:

[10:21:48] Ruleke | I saw it in git

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Zyxus:

[10:21:55] siXy | GreyFoxx: in a month i can probably help some on getting

[16:36:49]

Zyxus:

sonos to work

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Zyxus:

[10:22:01] +GreyFoxx | It would be nifty to add not only MediaServer abilities but

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Juski:

though there's a lot to be said about bypassing TV cards' tuners & use an external tuner (say from a VCR), then use composite or svideo

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snorp:

so, is there anything like torrentocracy for 0.20

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snorp:

that thing looks totally hot

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Juski:

nope

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snorp:

crap

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Juski:

whatever argument you might have for torrents being legit etc.. no way myth is ever gonna support it

[16:38:29]

snorp:

nod

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Juski:

rss video feeds on the other hand... mythstream isn't too bad

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Juski:

not that it supports rss but hey

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Juski:

anyway I reckon the jury would still be out on deciding whether or not torrentocracy will last or not

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nadia007:

juski, been used to satellite, now with cable the quality is really "different", just wanted to know if there was any way to improve it!

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snorp:

yeah

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Juski:

nadia007: tuners on tv cards are a bit notorious for being on the rubbish side

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nadia007:

so there isn't a solution for it... just have to live with it, sounds like?

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Juski:

in terms of sensitivity for one thing, and for another, they're usually some cheap-ass thing a good VCR manufacturer would never dream of using

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Juski:

change the tuner, or use a decent external one

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Juski:

or ditch analogue altogether

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Juski:

besides everything, inside a PC case is no place for sensitive radio frequency components ;-)

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scopeuk:

being over sensitive isent a problem for tv cards

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nadia007:

hmm...

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enyc:

well... sensitive to ?what? ;-)

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enyc:

is complicated ;-)

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nadia007:

has anyone successfully gotten a dvb card working in North Amercia?

[16:43:13]

nadia007:

guess my dvb card worked well, because it was digital?

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Juski:

nadia007: you don't have dvb over there AFAIK... OTA HDTV with ATSC & some DVB-S HDTV (very little in point of fact)

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Juski:

ATSC === DVB (ish), but not == DVB ;-)

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nadia007:

AFAIK? OTA?

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nadia007:

sry... didn't get much of that!

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scopeuk:

as far as i know

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Juski:

AFAIK == as far as I know.. OTA == over the air (i.e. with an antenna)

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scopeuk:

over the air

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scopeuk:

atleast they can get ota hd

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scopeuk:

thats beign skipped in favor of lettign satalite hold a manopoly

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Juski:

aye for what that's worth. I dunno what most places actually put out on that

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nadia007:

I've used my dvb with Bell or Dish.

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nadia007:

not OTA.

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Juski:

oh yeah you can get _some_ digital cable with QAM cards, but it's not available everywhere

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nadia007:

so no one has tried to get their satellite to work with Myth?

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Juski:

nadia007: only by using a set top receiver plugged into a capture card

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Juski:

dish network ain't ever gonna have a legal solution to work on a PC

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BULLE:

nadia007: around here there are people using mythtv with dvb-s

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BULLE:

nadia007: not that uncommon

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BULLE:

nadia007: same as with dvb-c get hte right CAM etc

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Juski:

like with cablecard – it's all propriatary crap, so you're limited to using Windows

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nadia007:

BULLE, you're in UK?

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scopeuk:

BULLE is in sweden

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Richard_:

Might anyone here be using a dvb-c card by the name "Technisat CableStar 2" ?

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Juski:

BULLE: anyone in the UK using DVB-C with mythtv is breaking their cableco terms & conditions

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scopeuk:

there is only one uk cable company

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scopeuk:

there all owened by ntl

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Juski:

sadly there's also only one satellite company in the UK

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scopeuk:

yup

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Juski:

with his 'works great when it's not raining' PVR

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ivor:

Juski: yeah well,it's all shades of grey isn't it? :)

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scopeuk:

yeh untill you get to (censored) then its down right black

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gnuyen:

hi

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gnuyen:

when i try to change channels with numbers

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gnuyen:

i type in the number it shows up

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gnuyen:

but it doesn't change channels

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gnuyen:

but i cn change channels with up and down

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gnuyen:

and it records things fine

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BULLE:

Juski: i might very well be breaking my cableco terms & conditions

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BULLE:

Juski: i couldnt care less tbh

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scopeuk:

dont you have to press enter to get it to actualyl swop

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Juski:

gnuyen: not found the 'select' button yet?

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Juski:

e.g. 1 2 3 <select>

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gnuyen:

i hit enter

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gnuyen:

doesn't seem to work

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BULLE:

Juski: when i started subscribing to my cable provider i was never asked to agre on nay terms & conditions, and i never signed anything, so i dont see a problem, for me

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Juski:

BULLE: haha

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Juski:

ooo my exhibitor badges have arrived. nice one

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gnuyen:

oh well

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fryfrog:

BULLE: plus you still *pay* for cable, right?

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BULLE:

fryfrog: oh yes

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BULLE:

fryfrog: i pay for the subscription for the channels i want, i just opt not to use the stb the cableco sent me

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BULLE:

fryfrog: i bought a dvb-c card and cam to use instead of the stb

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fryfrog:

h8 cable companies :)

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Juski:

BULLE: been down this road before but it must be nice to be able to get hold of a CAM for your cableco

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BULLE:

Juski: manual for the STB clearly said it uses conax for content access =)

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Ediehow:

anyone using raw codes in lircd.conf?

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ivor:

yup, I'm definitely working with morons.

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nadia007:

so... can anyone tell me if myth can read ISO or do you have to mount the ISO's?

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scopeuk:

you'ed have to mount em

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scopeuk:

a which point you mays well sjtu copy the files off and get rid of the isos

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nadia007:

that stinks....

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nadia007:

so I have to moun them manually?

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nadia007:

mount*

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scopeuk:

ou could proabbly script it

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scopeuk:

depends what are they dvd rips?

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nadia007:

yes

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nadia007:

I thought that myth can rip dvd's as well?

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scopeuk:

it can

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nadia007:

but doesn't save in iso format?

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scopeuk:

no

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scopeuk:

converts them to a video file

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nadia007:

aren't video files larger?

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enyc:

madfactor: iirc mythtv dvd import can creade ISOs...

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enyc:

madfactor: itcan also do transcode too.....

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nadia007:

enyc, so when you say import, you mean from a direct DVD not an ISO?

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enyc:

medwards: think so...

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seth|laptop:

import at "perfect" quality yields a 4+GB .vob file, Importing at "good" quality yields a 1+GB .avi file

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enyc:

seth|laptop: iirc there is also an ISO opteon ... for CREATING an .ise

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enyc:

seth|laptop: .iso even

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seth|laptop:

my "good" quality are usually between 1.2GB and 1.6GB, depending on movie length I guess

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seth|laptop:

never tried tht, but I do recall seeing the option, that will most likely do a .iso file then, not sure

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scopeuk:

you could probably modifythe script /databse to use your isos in that case

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enyc:

scopeuk: hangon.. I have an idea ;-)

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scopeuk:

if in volves me a dress and a golf club forget it

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nadia007:

I like the iso's.... I can run them on any of the other pc in the dorm.

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seth|laptop:

you could with .avi's as well I would imagine

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enyc:

scopeuk: notice the Changed DVD path to /dev/dvd.

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nadia007:

enyc, lol

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enyc:

scopeuk: in knoppmyth changes

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nadia007:

guess you're not scottish!

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seth|laptop:

and they would be smaller, and take less time to transfer over the wire

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scopeuk:

enyc yes

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enyc:

scopeuk: I susfect that the dvd devcie in the setup could be teporarially changed form '/dev/dvd' to '/path/to/file.iso'

[17:21:00]

scopeuk:

or stick the potable version of vlc on a usb pen or in the shared folder

[17:21:08]

scopeuk:

mroe than likely

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enyc:

nadia007: I susfect that the dvd devcie in the setup could be teporarially changed form '/dev/dvd' to '/path/to/file.iso'

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seth|laptop:

mmm portable VLC

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nadia007:

do you have to do that on a config file... or somewhere on the myth setup?

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scopeuk:

comandline most likely

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enyc:

nadia007: in mythtv menius .r mythtv-setup program somewehere

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scopeuk:

ignore me for i am dumb

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enyc:

scopeuk: you can set it up in mythtv somewher.. or in mythtv-setup application.. seen it before

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scopeuk:

ok

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enyc:

scopeuk: this was a bug with R5C7 knoppmyth... fixed by R5D1... hence changelog saying 'Changed DVD path to /dev/dvd.

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nadia007:

I'll have to try it again... that would be cool if I can just keep my iso the way I have them now!

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seth|laptop:

yes thid is true, with R5C7 (wqhat

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seth|laptop:

what I run, it is set to /mnt/cdrom, it must be changed to /dev/dvd,

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enyc:

nadia007: but if you want to keeyp the files in mythtv database.... do a 'perfect' or 'good' rip to creato a VOB/AVI file ;-)

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nadia007:

I have 2 terra bytes of iso on a server that I stream within the dorm.

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** seth|laptop closes eyes/ears **

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seth|laptop:

:-)

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enyc:

nadia007: soounds like a pain... rip to AVIs thta will be smaller ;-)

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nadia007:

seth|laptop, they are all legit !

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scopeuk:

yeh there isos

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scopeuk:

who wit hin legit version uses isos

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nadia007:

enyc, how about quality?

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enyc:

nadia007: if that appears to be a problm then use the 'perfoct' (VOB) method

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seth|laptop:

yes I would recommend a "good" transcode, it might take an hour or 2, but the files will be much smaller, and as far as I can tell, no quality lost

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kormoc:

nadia007, erm... really, unless you are licensed to distribute them to the public, they are not legit....

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scopeuk:

play with the settign still you find something you like

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enyc:

nadia007: experiment ;-)

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seth|laptop:

figure streaming 4.7GB .vs 1.2GB's

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nadia007:

scopeuk, it beats me lending out all of my dvd's to all the girls... they lose them or scratch them... so now I just stream them and in return... each girl buys me a dvd every month... pretty good deal!

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siXy:

def not leagal tho :P

[17:25:42]

kormoc:

yeah, not legal in the least :)

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nadia007:

lending dvd not legal?

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kormoc:

lending is, streaming iso's are not

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** seth|laptop remebers this discussion 2 weeks ago, hehe **

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nadia007:

sry... wasn't here for that one...

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kormoc:

you see, when you lend, you lend out the physical copy out and thus, you lose the ability to play it, and only one person can use it at a time

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** seth|laptop is just glad to see women using linux, makes me all warm inside. **

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kormoc:

when you stream, you can have as many copys going as your server can handle, that is not the same thing at all

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scopeuk:

kormoc so you lock the stream to one recipient

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nadia007:

seth|laptop, lol

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kormoc:

scopeuk, some places do that, and they haven't been shut down yet, but the legality or lack there of in that sense is still a little questionable, where as this current setup is just rather open and shut not legal at all

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nadia007:

there are about 5 girls that participate.... the only way I can stream is over wireless... due to limited bandwith... it normally is to one girl at a time.

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kormoc:

nadia007, the trick is to just not get caught, and thus, I just wouldn't talk about what you are doing with them in a publicly logged channel that records your ip address :P

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scopeuk:

heh technically i spose its againstthe law for me to have my music up to laod so many people can hear it or let otehrs come in my room and watch dvds with me

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nadia007:

kormoc, kay... I honestly didn't know I was doing anything wrong! I just thought I'd save my dvd's from damage this way!

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nadia007:

but that's just messed up though!

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kormoc:

heh, no worries from me :)

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scopeuk:

yeh

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scopeuk:

if your in the uk (dont know if you are) technically rippign dvds is illegal

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nadia007:

scopeuk, nope I'm in Canada

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kormoc:

comcast is in canada?

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kormoc:

ut.comcast.net usually is utah, I thought?

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nadia007:

kormoc... nope... my gateway is in US

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kormoc:

heh, fair nuff

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scopeuk:

any of us know canadian copyright law?

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scopeuk:

lol

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kormoc:

I know a little, it's mostly the same as the US's

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nadia007:

I guess I should...

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kormoc:

you luckly have the right to download and burn music, based on the tax on the media

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kormoc:

but movies are rather limited, almost exactly the same as the US

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nadia007:

us can't rip?

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scopeuk:

nargh think thats jsut this ass backward lump of rock

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fryfrog:

well, *almost* done! Now I need to build an IR dongle to use with my old haupage remote

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kormoc:

in the US, you can rip for personal viewing only, but can't distribute it

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siXy:

what is technically illega and what you can in practice be taken to court for however are very different things

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fryfrog:

any idea if it should be possible to rewire the tiny plugged pvr250 ir lead?

[17:33:38]

scopeuk:

fryfrog should be its onyl 2 wires iirc

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fryfrog:

kormoc: actually, ripping *any* dvd violates the DMCA

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kormoc:

ooh, right, the encryption

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fryfrog:

maybe i can build a serial -> tiny plug dongle and use that

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** seth|laptop sees what kormoc wrote, and goes wehw! **

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fryfrog:

our *fair use* rights allow us to make personal copies

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seth|laptop:

whew even

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siXy:

not all dvds are actually encrypted however

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kormoc:

there are a bunch of unencrypted dvd's, so ripping them are fine, but yeah, encrypted ones are a no-no

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fryfrog:

the DMCA makes it illegal to *do* that :/

[17:34:27]

fryfrog:

siXy: no, not *all* dvds are... but most

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nadia007:

how do you know which ones are encrypted?

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fryfrog:

if your dvd cracking software says it isn't encrypted? :)

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seth|laptop:

they have the big blue or red FBI screen

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kormoc:

well, playing dvds under linux is technically a DMCA violation

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siXy:

yum remove libdvdcss and see if they will play :)

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seth|laptop:

or that

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fryfrog:

seth|laptop: even encrypted ones have the fbi warning?

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kormoc:

*playing encrypted dvds

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fryfrog:

i'm pretty sure?

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kormoc:

yeah, I haven't seen a dvd without the fbi warning, encrypted or not

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siXy:

infact many dvd players sold in the shops are technically illegal. thats how much people care :)

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fryfrog:

ahahah

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siXy:

oh i have loads – mostly older ones

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fryfrog:

the ones that bypass region?

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siXy:

yup

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fryfrog:

i think that is less "illegal" and more "contract violation"

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scopeuk:

yeh some of us never region lock our dvd drives

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siXy:

no – its illegal

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fryfrog:

you sure?

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nadia007:

is that why they are coming out with the blue ray thingey?

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kormoc:

regions are just stupid, I'm sad that it's out there

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siXy:

technically – yes.

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fryfrog:

i've never seen anything about regions actually *in* the law?

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kormoc:

nadia007, nah, bluerays/hddvds are gonna have the same issues

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fryfrog:

that said, i'm no lawyer :)

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scopeuk:

kormoc its purley so they can retain the right to screw over customers in soem regions

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seth|laptop:

well I ripped my firefly series, but I bought them, and I only did it, because now, no matter which frontend I'm on DVD or not, I can watch them, and I don't have to change out the DVD

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fryfrog:

nadia007: blue ray and hd-dvd are like current dvds on crack :)

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siXy:

fryfrog: its bypassing encryption, which is illegal even if regions arent specifically named

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scopeuk:

but as polotics work tse wit hthe budget get what they want and the rest of us pay for it

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kormoc:

Firefly rox!

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kormoc:

Kaylee for the lovely win!

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fryfrog:

siXy: region isn't encryption

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GreyFoxx:

region codes have nothing to do with encryption

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GreyFoxx:

they are merely what part of the world the disc was intented to be viewed in

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scopeuk:

no they have every thign to do with protectign profit though

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fryfrog:

but it *is* a contract violation, for which the dvd guys have been cracking down on player makers

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kormoc:

hrm

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siXy:

uh enctrytipon should have == copy protection

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nadia007:

fryfrog.... blueray, dvd, crack.... go it! ;)

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fryfrog:

region isn't copy protection either

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siXy:

yeah it is

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fryfrog:

its playback related only

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fryfrog:

no it isn't

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siXy:

thats how its defined here, anyway

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fryfrog:

*region*??

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kormoc:

can a region be contorted into copy protection? perhaps, but it doesn't prevent the disk from being copied, just watched... so wouldn't it not be under the DMCA?

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fryfrog:

its a number like 0–10

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GreyFoxx:

There is NOTHING illegal about a region free player, Now it annoys the dvd sellers and the player might not be ceritfied if it's reguion free, but it is NOT copy protection or encryption

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siXy:

GreyFoxx: where do you live?

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GreyFoxx:

siXy: Canada

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GreyFoxx:

the Region code does NOT protect the content of a disc

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siXy:

cos i live in the uk and im pretty sure its illegal here

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siXy:

according to a lawyer i asked anyways :)

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GreyFoxx:

it is MERELY a control for them to charge more in the UK than in Canada

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scopeuk:

GreyFoxx yup

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scopeuk:

siXy yeh uk government bends over backwards or forwards for any one with a big enough budget

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scopeuk:

were all jsut pawns to big buisness

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siXy:

"this means that technical measures that enforce DVD region locks are protected by law"

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scopeuk:

we have no investment in infrastructurre becosue the cable co and dsl supliers dont want it

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GreyFoxx:

Ignoring a region code is not even close to bypassing content protection

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scopeuk:

whoudl mean compotition they dotn like that concept

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scopeuk:

GreyFoxx breathing on a dvd withthe hope of makign ti actualyl play is probably enough for them to want to fine you inthe uk

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nadia007:

I always thought region codes were supposed to help bootleggin that you get from asia and other regions.

[17:41:22]

scopeuk:

wo said they needed a reson to make your life hell

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siXy:

except its one of those stupid laws that we have that wouldnt actually stand up in court but is still the law. odd legal system in some ways.

[17:41:43]

scopeuk:

there desgined to make it so companies can milk consumers for every penney they dont deserve

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BULLE:

scopeuk: i put my hopes up to WTO

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nadia007:

wto?

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kormoc:

World Trade Org?

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scopeuk:

world trade organisation

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BULLE:

scopeuk: they were close to demand that region codes were to be removed in teh past

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** kormoc shudders **

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siXy:

we have quite a lot of laws that arent legal.... i think its just so lawyers get mroe ££££

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BULLE:

yes

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scopeuk:

BULLE uk government whould over rule them to protect profits and "uk industry" inside our isles

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nadia007:

what does the wto do?

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siXy:

the wto is not the place to put your faith :)

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scopeuk:

nadia007 looks pretty cost money not alot else

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BULLE:

scopeuk: then uk would have to start to pay pretty big fines

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scopeuk:

so ts comming out tax payers pockets not the govenments or big buinesses

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scopeuk:

like they give a damn

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scopeuk:

nothing happens in the uk without somone somewhere gettign paid by buissness for it

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** nadia007 thinks she doesn't like WTO **

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scopeuk:

theyed quite happily ban breathing if they thought they could tax you for it

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siXy:

the wto is one of my least favourite organisiations anywhere

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scopeuk:

i pick riaa

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scopeuk:

then probably fox legal sub devision

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fryfrog:

Opinion: What is the most parent friendly UI?

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kormoc:

nadia007, the WTO has a history of ignoring human rights violations in exchange for cheap products, they exploits people just to make a profit, and thus is a group that I detest personally.

[17:45:11]

fryfrog:

er, theme and osd theme?

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fryfrog:

isthmus i think and?

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siXy:

retro isnt bad...

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seth|laptop:

retro

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seth|laptop:

or mythcenter

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fryfrog:

is retro a new build in theme?

[17:45:36]

fryfrog:

or do i need to grab em?

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seth|laptop:

it comes with .20, I beleive you have to download for .19

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nadia007:

so anyone have suggestion for me... hate to go to jail on my sophmore year! Anyway I can stream media legally?

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seth|laptop:

also the retro OSD is my favorite, easy on the eyes

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fryfrog:

k, thanks i will look for them :)

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seth|laptop:

very simple

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seth|laptop:

that comes with .20 and I can't find it to download for .19

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** seth|laptop googles retro OSD theme **

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seth|laptop:

google, and you shall receive http://www.aldorf.no/mythtv

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nadia007:

that's bogus... my tv don't look that clear... it's usually covered with some kind of static!

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BULLE:

nadia007: atleast you get free food in jail

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fryfrog:

haha

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seth|laptop:

my HD is that clear, but unless I use the settop box (feh!) my dishnetwork is not

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nadia007:

BULLE, thx!!! guess there's always a plus huhh!

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BULLE:

nadia007: yeah!

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fryfrog:

my firewire is *awsome* and the HD from my air2pc is nice too

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BULLE:

nadia007: you also get free medical exam ( atleast in sweden )

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seth|laptop:

in .20 the Retro OSD is actually the isthmus, my guess is in .19 it may exist as isthmus

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seth|laptop:

not at home, can't check

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fryfrog:

i need to resolve my IOBOUND problems though :(

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nadia007:

BULLE, same in Canada... but not sure I'd like to get a free exam in Jail!!!

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seth|laptop:

air2pc HD is crystasl clear

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seth|laptop:

crystal even

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BULLE:

nadia007: its ok here

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fryfrog:

it makes me glad i bought a widescreen, HD tv :)

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MrPippy:

is it possible to receive QAM and NTSC on the same card?

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nadia007:

what constitutes "personal use"?

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fryfrog:

MrPippy: in theory, the hd5500 does it?

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fryfrog:

my air2pc does *not* though

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seth|laptop:

importing/archiving/backing up a dvd, for use on the local device only, not fro replay or redistribution.

[17:53:26]

fryfrog:

gold-someone makes the hd550, right?

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seth|laptop:

I would guess

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MrPippy:

hmm--i've been reading about the kworld atsc-110, which has two antenna inputs (one for atsc, one for ntsc)

[17:54:28]

fryfrog:

does it have linux support? can it use *both* at once?

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MrPippy:

but i'm not sure if i'll have to reload a different set of modules just to capture analog tv

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nadia007:

so I can keep my iso's as backup, but can't view my movies from the iso's?

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fryfrog:

OR

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seth|laptop:

my guess is if I import the Firefly season that I bought, and keep it in the house, not distibute it in any way, I am safe. But if I were to jopin netflix, and import rented DVD's, I would be getting a free medical exam... ;-)

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fryfrog:

you can keep your isos to watch and put your dvds in a safe?

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nadia007:

so when the dvd's I lend out get all scratched... I can burn myself a new "backup" copy?

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seth|laptop:

exactly

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seth|laptop:

minus the lending paert

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fryfrog:

you know, one thing i wanted to do...

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seth|laptop:

s/paert/part

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nadia007:

I can't lend my dvd's?

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fryfrog:

what would happen if you paid people $1 for their scratched up cds and dvds

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seth|laptop:

well its illegal here in USA

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fryfrog:

then, would your huge mp3/movie collection be *legal*?

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nadia007:

don't you have rental stores in the US?

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fryfrog:

you could lend your dvds, but not use your isos

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seth|laptop:

not for you, but for the person who resold it

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nadia007:

sure... I wouldn't watch the iso for the dvd that I lent...

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seth|laptop:

yes, lots of rental stores, and that is ok, but if I were to import rented dvd's, iron-bar hotel, geting caught of course

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fryfrog:

actually, you are more likely to be sued than goto jail

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seth|laptop:

well you could watch your personally imported iso, i just think the question is letting it leave the local device, to another device, that would be bad

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fryfrog:

unless you are a big pirate ring :)

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** nadia007 should I invest on an eye patch... they're in season this time of the year! **

[17:58:38]

fryfrog:

or a ninja costume!

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nadia007:

we have a local rental store on campus... but they charge about $5 for any dvd. So instead we pooled our dvd's and kind of do a swap within the dorm. I didn't think that was so bad!

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seth|laptop:

here in Pennsylvania, they just busted 2 18year olds for renting/copying, and reselling Adult, (insert wolf howls and cat calls here) dvd's out of their car at the local high school. they were fined $15,000 dollars and sentenced to 5 years in prison

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fryfrog:

right, the key there is they were profiting from it

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seth|laptop:

and the pc's used for this replication, were confiscated

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fryfrog:

I like retro :)

[18:00:33]

Richard_:

howdy folks, I recently got mythtv working for the first time under edgy :D

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nadia007:

but sharing your personal copy should be alright then!

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Richard_:

and I was able to scan and find some channels

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Richard_:

but now they all seem to be dead

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fryfrog:

okay, nother stupid question

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seth|laptop:

but I thinkk if you are not redistributing it for profit, and you purchased it from the original retail store, you should not be punished

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** nadia007 congratulates Richard! **

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fryfrog:

if i am hooking this up to a *real*, old school tv...

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fryfrog:

do i deinterlace or not?

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seth|laptop:

how old school

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nadia007:

fryfrog, does it have vaccum tubes?

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fryfrog:

SD for sure, it has svideo input as its "best"

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fryfrog:

so i'm pretty sure it is an interlaced tv w/o any progressive scan

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scopeuk:

that aint old school

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seth|laptop:

then yes you want to de-interlace

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scopeuk:

old school is 504 line vhf

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scopeuk:

405*

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fryfrog:

i thought de-interlacing was for displaying on progressive displays?

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seth|laptop:

if you were converting it to RF(coax) via an rf modulator, you would not, I don't think as the modualtor would change the output signal

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seth|laptop:

but for svideo I would de-interlace

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Juski:

fryfrog: if you can get a true interlaced signal from your tv out.. then no you don't need to deinterlace – assuming, that is, your output is scaled 1:1 against the input source

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fryfrog:

Juski: ah, i see. well i can always fuck around with it

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Juski:

also – if you have a nvidia card with tvout (gf4+) you can just turn up the flicker filter a teeny bit & you no longer need to deinterlace :)

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seth|laptop:

my big screen (43") projection, has CVI (component) Svideo, and composite (yellow) and when I turn de-int off, i get "tearing" lines. So I guess my TV is "Old school" like me, hehe

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fryfrog:

oh, really?

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brad_mssw:

anyone using the HD5500 to capture both NTSC (analog cable) and QAM-256 (Digital cable) with mythtv?

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fryfrog:

flicker filter i'll have to remember

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seth|laptop:

I believe that card can do that brad

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Juski:

last time I tried my nvidia tv-out I was amazed.. I thought deinterlacing was turned on but it wasn't.. and the video was very very smooth, even crawling titles (right to left!)

[18:05:30]

brad_mssw:

seth|laptop: yes, the card is capable ... I can tune to the NTSC channel with mplayer, but mythtv doesn't work with NTSC, though the QAM portion works fine

[18:05:53]

BULLE:

Juski: yeah, watching things going from side to side, is a sure way to see if interlacing works ok or not

[18:05:58]

BULLE:

Juski: i tend to watch F1

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scopeuk:

do you need two cards configed in myth one for analog one for digi?

[18:06:03]

brad_mssw:

seth|laptop: i'm wondering if it has to do with v4l2 support being kind of bad in myth

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Juski:

brad_mssw: probably but be aware the NTSC side of it would be software encoding only (which sucks) – and you can't chop & change between analogue & digital or use both at the same time

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seth|laptop:

brad, do you have inputs set up for both QAM, and OTA in mythtv-setup?

[18:06:47]

brad_mssw:

Juski: actually, myth appears to list the v4l side of the card when you select the 5500, without adding another capture device ... it _should_ work, just doens't appear to

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seth|laptop:

does the hd5000 have 2 inouts?

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seth|laptop:

inputs even(i don't know)

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brad_mssw:

seth|laptop: no, one input ...

[18:08:27]

brad_mssw:

i haven't yet tried to totally remove the DVB config and config it as only a v4l card to see if myth can even talk to it that way ... i'm thinking that's the next step

[18:08:36]

seth|laptop:

and do you switch the cable from cable to off air, or do you get both on the same card?

[18:08:41]

seth|laptop:

or cabel rather

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brad_mssw:

don't really care about having to compress it using CPU time. ... I re-transcode everything anyhow

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BULLE:

brad_mssw: why re-transcode it, why not code it in the format you want to begin with then ?

[18:09:41]

fryfrog:

at least in the case of the analog ntsc capture

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BULLE:

yeah

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brad_mssw:

seth|laptop: i'm not using OTA at all, just QAM (digital cable) and NTSC (analog cable) ... when I add the DVB 5500 card, it lists out 4 or so inputs, DVB, input 1(analog cable), Component, Svideo

[18:10:08]

Juski:

brad_mssw: don't forget you'd need to record audio with your soundcard etc.. eeew messy.

[18:10:26]

brad_mssw:

BULLE: well, I have a Hauppauge WinTV, it only captures in MPEG2 ... I recompress using xvid, saves a bit of space

[18:10:30]

BULLE:

Juski: do you have to do that ?

[18:10:34]

brad_mssw:

Juski: well, there'

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seth|laptop:

ah, i see, using the card for cable, and cable-hd, appologies

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fryfrog:

Does anyone transcode mpeg2 -> mpeg4?

[18:10:47]

brad_mssw:

Juski: well, there's the cx88-alsa driver, haven't messed with it

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BULLE:

fryfrog: i have done it on occasion

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fryfrog:

my biggest problem with transcoding was knowing good settings :(

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Juski:

brad_mssw: anyway software encoding is pretty sucky.. I mean it'll really stand out against HD

[18:11:10]

fryfrog:

i wonder if the wiki has that kind of stuff

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BULLE:

fryfrog: but just when my little brother missed some ep of a swedish tv series, and i compressed it and upploaded it to him

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seth|laptop:

do just the QAM channels show up during a channel scan brad

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BULLE:

and yes, i got pretty crappy quality, but size was the main issue

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Juski:

BULLE: ssh!

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BULLE:

Juski: its not illegal here

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BULLE:

Juski: its my brother!

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BULLE:

Juski: we both pay for the tv channel

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brad_mssw:

Juski: yeah, the HD content I'm not worried about ... the NTSC stuff though is just analog cable though, so I'm not worried about compressing that already-low-quality stuff

[18:11:52]

Juski:

mythtv users don't share files. just like nobody ever shared videotapes

[18:12:08]

BULLE:

Juski: he is not even a mythtv user =)

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brad_mssw:

seth|laptop: yeah, when I scan under the DVB device

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brad_mssw:

seth|laptop: but I assign a zap2it channel list for the analog portion

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brad_mssw:

seth|laptop: which works fine for my WinTv 150

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seth|laptop:

that was the next question, you have ESP

[18:12:50]

seth|laptop:

heh

[18:13:26]

seth|laptop:

well as I do not have tis type of setup, I do not know what else to look at. sorry.

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** seth|laptop is switching to cable in November, perhaps then I can try this. But that would mean new hardware, and I like my OTA HD, I have a pvr150 forthe SD stuff **

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brad_mssw:

seth|laptop: yeah, I'm wondering if I'm just too bleeding edge ... 2.6.18 with ivtv 0.8 didn't even work with the initial release of mythtv-0.20 without a patch b/c it switched to v4l2... wondering if mythtv just doesn't like true v4l2 cards

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brad_mssw:

since the pchdtv 5500 is true v4l2 ...

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seth|laptop:

I'd say thats right on the edge, perhaps rolling back the ivtv drivers, and the kernel would help.

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brad_mssw:

yeah, can't do that though :/ ivtv 0.7.0 & the pchdtv5500 drivers won't co-exist

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seth|laptop:

well the ivtv anyways, DVB I think comes from the kernel

[18:16:06]

seth|laptop:

I know my dvb card doesn't show up on ivtv-detect

[18:16:15]

brad_mssw:

yeah, the dvb stuff is in the kernel

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nadia007:

what is SD?

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scopeuk:

standard definition

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seth|laptop:

anything not HDTV

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scopeuk:

maby we should have a myth keyterms sheet somewhere

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nadia007:

thx

[18:18:44]

scopeuk:

linked from topic

[18:18:48]

brad_mssw:

probably just going to add that card as the only capture device, as a standard v4l card, and see if myth will play nice ... just to remove all other variables

[18:18:54]

seth|laptop:

my dish network would be SD. i guess

[18:19:23]

nadia007:

seth|laptop, but digital signal instead of analog.

[18:19:29]

seth|laptop:

yes

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nadia007:

pvr150 does analog signal not digital, right?

[18:20:09]

seth|laptop:

well, the dish receives the digital signal, but my tuner card is on a slave backend, so I send its output over coax, to the other end of my house

[18:20:25]

brad_mssw:

yes the pvr150 is analog

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seth|laptop:

so i guess it waht I see is kinda like analog

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seth|laptop:

it is hooked to a pvr150

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nadia007:

you have your satellite hooked up to a pvr150?

[18:21:16]

nadia007:

how do you control the switch off of the satellite?

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seth|laptop:

but when I had the card on the master bcakend, and had it hooked up via svideo and red/white audio, the picture and sound was 100% better. I don't even think it is stereo anymore

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seth|laptop:

via the coax

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seth|laptop:

use ssh to the irbalster on the HD front/master backend in the family room.

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seth|laptop:

actually got the answer to that in this very irc channel, set up irblaster on the frontend, and then ssh user@mythcenter channel_change.sh, had to set up passwordless ssh between the two, but it was easy after I saw it in action

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nadia007:

what is irblaster?

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seth|laptop:

there is about a 1 second delay, between the time I hit "122" and the time I see it on the screen, but it is bearable, hehe

[18:23:58]

nadia007:

not sure what a backend vs a frontend is

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** nadia007 is very newbie! **

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seth|laptop:

http://www.irblaster.info/?gclid=CNzBmcyU9IcCFQxuUAodMGN5jw

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nadia007:

let me see if I can kind of guess... backend would entail, the pvr card and daemon running myth. frontend would be the recipient of the the streaming signal coming from the backend?

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seth|laptop:

I made mine myself, but basically it send the signal from a serial port to an infrared led, that you place in front of the device you wish to control, then you set up a script using irsend to make it fire off

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nadia007:

interesting stuff...

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nadia007:

fryfrog, are you following a guide to put your ubunutu/myth box together?

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seth|laptop:

well my frontend, is actually my master backend as well, this is in the living room, where the dish receiver is. In my office, I have a frontend/slave backend, which is where the tuner card is for the dish, but it also has storage, for the dish recordings, and my tunes, but I can access it from any frontend, via the network, be it the living room, the laptop, or the xbox

[18:28:02]

seth|laptop:

form anywhere

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seth|laptop:

from even

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seth|laptop:

the master backend id my HD box. it has both tuners, and storage for the HD and my DVD recordings

[18:29:07]

nadia007:

so you have a pvr150 on your frontend/slave backend hooked to your dish?

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seth|laptop:

you should have a master backend for all of your .iso's, and then use multiple frontends for the other girls

[18:30:02]

seth|laptop:

yes, via coax cable, but the irblaster is on the master/front, because that is where the dish reciever is

[18:30:03]

nadia007:

right now I just have samba share and everyone just mounts the iso's.

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nadia007:

ahh... you have the receiver hooked to the pvr150 card....

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seth|laptop:

yes

[18:30:47]

nadia007:

I thought you said that you had the pvr150 card hooked directly to your dish outside...

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seth|laptop:

but as its i another room of my house, the control needed to be local to the receiver, hence the irblaster

[18:31:11]

nadia007:

gotcha!

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seth|laptop:

no, sorry, to the receiver

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seth|laptop:

and with knoppmyth, I had the whole thing set up in like 30 minutes

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nadia007:

knoppmyth... guess that's knoppix distro?

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scopeuk:

was a logn time ago

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fryfrog:

nadia007: i'm using gentoo :)

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scopeuk:

now its bassed on debian unstable

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seth|laptop:

using R5C7 version, as far as I know the R5D1 (newest) version has issue with AMD64, which is what 80% of my boxes are

[18:32:42]

nadia007:

I'm an ubuntu girl!

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** nadia007 is addicted to ubuntu! **

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fryfrog:

my laptop's run ubuntu as their alternate os

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seth|laptop:

well when oyu get it set up, write a howto, because I never was successful with dapper AMD64, so I went back to knoppmyth. But my salve is gentoo

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fryfrog:

but i like gentoo to much for my frontend :)

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seth|laptop:

slave even

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nadia007:

well... I kind of got it on dapper...

[18:34:04]

** seth|laptop would love to use dapper amd64 for all his mythboxen **

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seth|laptop:

but these are production systems, and playing about is not acceptable, hehe

[18:35:02]

nadia007:

I use the 386 packages still... not all packages are compatible with 64bit yet.

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seth|laptop:

and they work well?

[18:35:14]

scopeuk:

me rembers he was gonan go but it and see if they whould downoad deb 64 dvd for him

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nadia007:

I run into problems all the time with 64 bit because of that.

[18:35:41]

kormoc:

I'm wonderfully happy with 64 bit and Gentoo

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seth|laptop:

I was having dependency issue, with stuff like lame and I couldn't find a good answer, so I kinda gave up

[18:36:19]

nadia007:

setth|laptop, yup... I've had similar issues, that's why I just run i386

[18:36:29]

seth|laptop:

gentoo amd64 is above all my favorite, but 3 days to a working mythbox, does not suite the other people in my house, hence the term "production systems" hehe

[18:36:33]

nadia007:

works for what I do... haven't really ever ran 64bit.

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kormoc:

64 bit is so wonderful for video trasncoding

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seth|laptop:

well thats probably why I lie knoppmyth, it is also an i386 distro

[18:37:32]

scopeuk:

i like knoppmyth becosue its quick and painless

[18:37:41]

nadia007:

I've heard of gentoo, but was under the understanding that you have to compile everything?

[18:37:50]

seth|laptop:

this is true as well, nothing like 15 minutes until your watching tv from a naked harddrive

[18:37:51]

scopeuk:

although when i get a chance im gonan take some evil ness to mine

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seth|laptop:

nadia, very true

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kormoc:

nadia007, yeah, you do

[18:38:37]

scopeuk:

eg if your times worth more than $0 then good look

[18:38:51]

scopeuk:

emerge world is it?

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nadia007:

lol

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kormoc:

nadia007, well, it does, there's a system in place, so to get mythtv, you just emerge mythtv, and it downloads and compiles all the software that you need to get it running

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seth|laptop:

its the compiling that kills me, last time I built gentoo from scratch, it ws like 2 days before I had everything that i wanted

[18:39:12]

nadia007:

emerge?

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kormoc:

nadia007, and you can use 'use flags' to set what compile time options you would like included.

[18:39:18]

scopeuk:

gentoo package management

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seth|laptop:

eerge = apt-get on sterroids

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kormoc:

nadia007, emerge is the command to install/uninstall/update software

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scopeuk:

emerge is apt plus configuration at the expense of simplicity and speed

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nadia007:

emerge... ahh... apt-get is nadia's best friend... along with aptitude!

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kormoc:

nadia007, it's very similar to the ports system on *BSD

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** seth|laptop remebers the first time he ran 'emerge -deep world' **

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scopeuk:

apt-get is fantastic

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scopeuk:

seth|laptop must have ran up a hell of a lecky bill

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nadia007:

kormoc... don't know BSD

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kormoc:

heh, well then I guess that didn't make much sense :)

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nadia007:

setth|laptop, so what did you do to get up and running in 15 min?

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seth|laptop:

with knoppmyth, auto-install

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scopeuk:

wonderouse thingthat is

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** nadia007 nadia googling knoppmyth **

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scopeuk:

the auto upgrades are nice too

[18:41:55]

scopeuk:

www.mysettopbox.tv

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kormoc:

nadia007, gentoo is wonderful if you want to get your hands dirty with how linux really works, if you just want a computer that works, gentoo isn't the best choice.

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seth|laptop:

creates 3 partitions, sets up the cards, fires up myth-backend, starts and restart all things like apache, mysql, and so on, almost fully automated

[18:43:09]

seth|laptop:

includes groovy scripts to automagically set up LVM, i really have nothing much bad to say about it at all

[18:43:35]

jonK:

anyone care to posit why a bunch of recorded shows would suddenly be deleted?

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seth|laptop:

gentoo, is what I started with, and the reason was to learn about linux, it is the perfect tool, and you get to keep it when you're done, hehe

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nadia007:

seth|laptop is this knoppmyth that you're talking about or gentoo?

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seth|laptop:

jonk, set to auto-expire?

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seth|laptop:

knoppmyth

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jonK:

yes, autoexpire is on

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seth|laptop:

that wioll do it

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kormoc:

nadia007, knoppmyth is the easy one, gentoo will take a long time to get running

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jonK:

but i thought autoexpire was due to lack of space

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scopeuk:

gentoo is what 15 weeks to download and compile a full isntal lwith myth?

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scopeuk:

;-)

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** kormoc laughs **

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nadia007:

shessh....

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enyc:

lol

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seth|laptop:

well more like 2 -1/2 days, but it is still painful hehe

[18:44:45]

kormoc:

only took my 2.13 ghz celery 18 hours to compile everything!

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enyc:

gentoo slow problem ;-)

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nadia007:

I'll be graduated by the time it finishes!

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scopeuk:

kormoc hence why my 433 celley has never been let near it

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enyc:

gentoo useful for some things.. pain for others.. like most distributions

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jonK:

can autoexpire use other attribtues to expire recordings?

[18:45:23]

scopeuk:

eg knopp is good for myth but for anything else forget about it

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kormoc:

enyc, actually, I find gentoo is less painful for everything once you know it, but then ymmv

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scopeuk:

kormoc how many life times does getting to know it take?

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nadia007:

hmmm... so I can just plug my dvb, pvr150, nvidia 5200 and my 120gb drive and it will partition it and install drivers like it should upon install?

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seth|laptop:

yes, once gentoo is set up, it is easy to update and maintain, I'll agree there

[18:46:01]

jonK:

I'm pissed, I had parts 1 and 2 of eyes on the prize recorded, but not archived yet

[18:46:10]

enyc:

kormoc: I know fentoo reasonably... but it can be a big annoyance when you have a pile of separately maintained gentoo boxes around to keep looking after

[18:46:12]

kormoc:

took me a a few months to get to the point where I stopped breaking it, and ever sense then, it's been golden

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seth|laptop:

nadia, yes

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nadia007:

well... will download and give it a try tonight...

[18:46:38]

seth|laptop:

very easy and straight forward, providing there are no widows partitions present

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scopeuk:

yeh im stil lat the point where i break debian so il lstick with it for now

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nadia007:

so emerge instead of apt-get huhhh... how about sudo?

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seth|laptop:

what cpu nadia

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nadia007:

does it use sudo?

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kormoc:

nadia007, if you want

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nadia007:

cpu, 2.8Mhz AMD

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nadia007:

Athlon

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seth|laptop:

all distros can use it, ubuntu just sets it up by default

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kormoc:

nadia007, you see, gentoo is a very barebones distro, it leaves you with the absolute min to get going, and then you take it from there

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scopeuk:

that willtake years

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enyc:

nadia007: its mich more complicated.... designed to build all from source

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seth|laptop:

amd64 or amd xp

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scopeuk:

you mean 2.8ghz?

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kormoc:

nadia007, so it's ultra customizeable and it allows you to get it exactly how you want

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scopeuk:

sorry im a sarcastic little git sometimes

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enyc:

nadia007: useful for building latest things and stuff

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nadia007:

lol

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nadia007:

yes 2.8ghz AMD Athlon XP

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nadia007:

not 64 bit

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kormoc:

nadia007, but this also means it takes a while to really understand the software, there isn't very many user friendly ways to admin it, it relys on you to edit config files and all that

[18:48:09]

enyc:

nadia007: can take an annoyingly long time and can be an interdependancy update-maintenatce bother...

[18:48:20]

enyc:

nadia007: depends what sort of user you are ;-)

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seth|laptop:

ok then, get the latest version R5D1, but if you have any AMD64 boxen, avoid that oine, and get R5C7

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seth|laptop:

knoppmyth

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seth|laptop:

R5D1 is painful for AMD64 users

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** scopeuk consideres re watchign some stargate **

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nadia007:

I'll give knoppmyth a try. Like ubuntu cause I can get around in the GUI and CLI very easily.

[18:49:06]

scopeuk:

seth|laptop anything a kernal rebuild whouldent fix?

[18:49:14]

enyc:

nadia007: ubuntu has a lot of intergration done....

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seth|laptop:

they are trying, no luck as of yet

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nadia007:

seth|laptop, so use the R5D1 since I've got no 64 bit!

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enyc:

nadia007: ubuntu edgy (more experimental release) out later this month

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seth|laptop:

as does knoppmyth, the only file I had to cahnge was /etc/sudoers, to allow for more sudo funtionality

[18:49:49]

seth|laptop:

nadia yes

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jonK:

also, on ubuntu 6.06 the frontend seems to run painfully slow — I'm thinking of downgrading breezy

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scopeuk:

or jsut use su

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seth|laptop:

and they have .20 debs built for it already

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nadia007:

enyc, I love my ubuntu... got xgl running on it, everything is stable...

[18:50:06]

kormoc:

nadia007, yeah, just a FYI, I'm a professional system admin, so I like it when things are left up to me more often then not. Ubuntu and Fedora and friends drive me batty with doing too much for me, so take my distro advice with a grain of salt :P

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seth|laptop:

cecil does, or rather knoppmyth

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enyc:

I rather wish that knoppmyth make their future ubuntu-based knoppmyth... such that the mythtv packages work on ubuntu too ;-)

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nadia007:

kormoc... well perhaps some day I'll be smart enough for that... I'd love to learn... but I'm taking it one step at a time...

[18:51:06]

jonK:

kormoc: so you'd suggeest gentoo?

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kormoc:

jonK, Aye, I do

[18:51:19]

jonK:

I've been considering using gentoo for the computer I actaully use as a computer

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fryfrog:

What is the "C7" and "D1"

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nadia007:

well... lunch time for me... I'll be back in a bit... see ya!

[18:51:35]

enyc:

fryfrog: knoppmyth versions

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fryfrog:

gentoo has its awsomeness, but it can be a pain in the ass too

[18:51:41]

jonK:

but still running ubuntu for the computer in the closet

[18:51:42]

fryfrog:

do they mean anything?

[18:51:48]

enyc:

fryfrog: thats correct ;-)

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impulze:

heyho

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fryfrog:

I actually *prefer* ubuntu as a desktop, it is just easier

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seth|laptop:

that may be coming, one of the devolpers known in the forums as "Human" is in my LUG here. There are plans, currently they are keeping the knoppix core, and integrating mtyhtv .20 into the install, but they are still havingissues with AMD64 CPU's, hence the slight turn towards a future release based on knoppmyth, at least this is what he says. Nothing official yet thoiugh

[18:52:26]

impulze:

i got problems setting up my dvb-t card with mythtv, mplayer dvb://something works fine, so does kaffeine but somehow i'm not able to receive a channel list via a full scan

[18:52:36]

seth|laptop:

rather based on ubuntu

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jonK:

I printed out the install guide, and am unsure I'll be able to get the configuration right to really take advantage of what gento offers

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impulze:

and i'm actually not sure which video source to choose

[18:52:46]

impulze:

can someone help me out there?

[18:53:44]

** scopeuk cherse after finidng a random backup from a while back with mreo stuff to watch **

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enyc:

fryfrog: erm... Release 5 Delightful 1 "Hoping for World Peace"

[18:55:37]

enyc:

fryfrog: erm... Release 5 Cool 7 "I was a zygote in '71"

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scopeuk:

these knopp releases?

[18:55:53]

enyc:

fryfrog: — R5D1 and R5C7 ;-)

[18:56:02]

enyc:

scopeuk: ??

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scopeuk:

i know we had red pill for media

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scopeuk:

knop release names are always funney

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scopeuk:

showing my age now lol

[18:56:43]

scopeuk:

remeber knoppic 3.5

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scopeuk:

still ahve a coppy back home

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jonK:

so, would autoexpire ever delete recordings for reasons other than lack of space?

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kormoc:

livetv gets autoexipred after 24 hours

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jonK:

I just noticed autoexpiredaypriority in the settings table

[18:58:55]

jonK:

it's set to 3, is this deleting anything more than three days old

[18:58:57]

jonK:

?

[18:59:10]

jonK:

if so it would explain why 2–3 weeks of programs went poof at midnight last night

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Phonica:

anyone know what snes emulator the emu frontend plugin supports?

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kormoc:

check the wiki?

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Phonica:

kk

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seth|laptop:

if the recording just went away, I would assume that autoexpire took them out, I lost the first 3 shopws of "Eureka" on scifi, because when I originally recorded them , the autoexpire flag was set

[19:02:23]

jonK:

maybse set autoExpireDayPriority to 0?

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seth|laptop:

currently only my fox daily recordings are set to autoexpire, but I usually delete them after I watch them

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jonK:

I want things to autoexpire for reasons of space, but not age

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seth|laptop:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/User_Man . . . ire_Settings

[19:09:22]

seth|laptop:

look there

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seth|laptop:

jonk

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jonK:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/User_Man . . . ities_and_Se

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jonK:

tup#Global_Auto_Expire_Settings

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jonK:

tup#Global_Auto_Expire_Settings

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jonK:

sorry: putty just seems to do that

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jonK:

still seems to describe autoexpire in terms of disk space, not age

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seth|laptop:

this is true, perhaps I was low on disk space at the time, I don't quite remember, but my current settings are 1 10240 15 Oldest Show First Auto Expire Default not checked Re-Record not checked, on the master, and on the slave 1 5120 15 Oldest No check, No check

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cipher_nemo:

Are there any MythTV settings that would affect sporadic superimposed images for tv watching (using ivtv 0.4.7 on a PVR-500 w/ MythTV 0.20)

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kormoc:

affect? or would you mean cause?

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cipher_nemo:

affect, as in cause or correct this problem

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scopeuk:

s/affect/effect

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kormoc:

well, there's the OSD...

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cipher_nemo:

scopeuk: stop double guessing yourself... affect: "To have an influence on or effect a change in"

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kormoc:

it causes sporadic images with info in them to show up

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cipher_nemo:

scopeuk: effect is a result

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cipher_nemo:

kormoc: that's good to know...

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cipher_nemo:

kormoc: I think I switched the OSD (or is it menus in MythTV?) to opengl driven instead of its default

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kormoc:

menus are QT or opengl driven

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kormoc:

the OSD is overlays

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cipher_nemo:

kormoc: yes, that's it... QT

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cipher_nemo:

kormoc: should I play with those settings I take it?

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kormoc:

well, what's going on?

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kormoc:

is this a problem?

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cipher_nemo:

kormoc: not really sporadic "images"... more like the channel is playing... and then poof... a second image of the channel is superimposed over the original image for a brief 100 or so ms, offset a bit

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kormoc:

okay, that's not myth related at all

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cipher_nemo:

offset a bit = the bottom of the screen is maybe 10% from the top

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kormoc:

that's gonna be ivtv driver related, or kernel related

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kormoc:

or hardware related

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cipher_nemo:

kormoc: I've done a cat to capture from ivtv and playback with mplayer, and that's just fine

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cipher_nemo:

kormoc: freevo doesn't do this

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kormoc:

well, myth doesn't do anything other then playback the video file, which is mpeg2

[19:31:18]

cipher_nemo:

kormoc: may be the way mythtv and ivtv are talking?

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kormoc:

it uses libavcodec which is the same engine as mplayer

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kormoc:

well

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kormoc:

play back a recording in myth, and then play it back in mplayer and see if it does in mplayer

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cipher_nemo:

doing a normal mplayer playback of something recorded command-line with ivtv doesn't do this... very odd

[19:32:43]

cipher_nemo:

and this is using the tuner's default channel, on tuner 0 of the PVR-500

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cipher_nemo:

is it possible that mythtv is trying to play both tuners at the same time?

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seth|laptop:

anyone know a link to the ubuntu dapper amd64 debs for mythtv

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cipher_nemo:

I've only seen generic ubuntu dapper packages for mythtv, not specifically amd64

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seth|laptop:

probably shoul djust build it

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cipher_nemo:

seth|laptop, I have the sources for 686 I think

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seth|laptop:

I'm actually thinking about building .19, I

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kormoc:

cipher_nemo, no, that is not a possibility

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seth|laptop:

have not upgraded the home systems yet, and this laptop will be a frontend

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cipher_nemo:

this is what I have for dapper:

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cipher_nemo:

deb http://home.eng.iastate.edu/~superm1 dapper main

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cipher_nemo:

deb-src http://home.eng.iastate.edu/~superm1 dapper main

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kormoc:

cipher_nemo, you see, myth doesn't go directly from the tuner to the screen, it gets buffered to disk, and if both tuners were going to the same file, it wouldn't play at all. the mpeg stream would be corrupt beyond playback

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cipher_nemo:

that's 0.20

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seth|laptop:

ok

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cipher_nemo:

kormoc: ahh, ok, so that possibility doesn't exist then :)

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cipher_nemo:

kormoc: what's odd is that the superimposed image of the channel's feed doesn't affect the channel's correctly positioned feed, it just pops up on top briefly every second or so

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cipher_nemo:

the mplayer playback on direct ivtv stuff doesn't do this

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cipher_nemo:

could there be some ivtv config that doesn't cause a problem until its launched by MythTV?

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kormoc:

cipher_nemo, that's why you should play back the same file myth is, when you see it happen in myht, play back that file in mplayer, if it does it, it would be a ivtv issue, if it doesn't do it, it's a myth playback issue, and a really really strange one

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cipher_nemo:

kormoc: ah, good way to troubleshoot

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cipher_nemo:

if it's a problem with the mythtv recording using ivtv, are there settings I should look at, or should I ask the ivtv channel at that point?

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cipher_nemo:

kormoc: it would be nice to troubleshoot this if its a problem with ivtv, but chances are, if its not mythtv related, I'm going the Fedora Core "Mythology" way via j-rod's guide soon anyways

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cipher_nemo:

so I can drop it at that point and never worry about it again :) .. finally got Fedora Core 5 DVD image downloaded last night

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kormoc:

really, I'm not sure where to go if it's mythtv related. I guess a ticket on svn.mythtv.org with details and see if they know where to look more would be the best bet

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cipher_nemo:

kormoc: thx for the help. If it does turn out to be a very rare mythtv playback issue (which is probably isn't), I'll open a bug

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cipher_nemo:

otherwise, I'll move on to Fedora anyways and start over (ubuntu is nice, but it's too desktop-ish to be a specialized distro for just MythTv)

[19:46:58]

cipher_nemo:

kormoc: thx again.

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kormoc:

you're welcome, g'luck

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coldsteal:

hello

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jonK:

hello

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Dibblah:

vbv

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Dibblah:

Hmmm. Pardon the cat's keyboard skills.

[19:54:37]

coldsteal:

do i need a gui for mythtv?

[19:54:45]

Dibblah:

Yes.

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coldsteal:

kde or gnome or anything

[19:55:17]

Dibblah:

QT.

[19:55:25]

Dibblah:

Beyond that, you need a window manager.

[19:55:48]

coldsteal:

whats QT?

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Dibblah:

Read the docs :)

[19:57:04]

coldsteal:

well i want to install ubuntu dapper drake as a lamp and have mythtv on it but i dont want a gui

[19:57:12]

BULLE:

Dibblah: do you ?

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aboutblank:

what does QT stand for?

[19:57:23]

BULLE:

Dibblah: cant you just run mythfrontend fullscreen, withouth a wm ?

[19:57:38]

BULLE:

aboutblank: no idea, www.troll.no for more info about qt

[19:57:39]

Dibblah:

Yes, technically, you do need a WM.

[19:57:46]

ivor:

BULLE: sure you can.

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Dibblah:

Otherwise, you will get focus issues. And if you do, no support.

[19:57:58]

coldsteal:

lol cool ur handle is aboutblank

[19:58:01]

BULLE:

Dibblah: i think i have used mythfrontend without a vm

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aboutblank:

thanks coldsteal

[19:58:11]

Dibblah:

Good for you!

[19:58:15]

BULLE:

yeah!

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ivor:

of course you'll have to know what you're doing and you'll be on your own when it doens't work. :)

[19:58:42]

ivor:

but I don't use a WM with myth.

[19:58:43]

coldsteal:

so its possible

[19:58:53]

Dibblah:

And the "don't work" cases are corner cases.

[19:59:05]

Dibblah:

So WILL happen when your GF is using it ;)

[19:59:40]

aboutblank:

hmm... so i'm trying to mythtranscode this file, and at nearing completion, it says "couldn't open input file" and dies. what gives? corruption?

[19:59:48]

ivor:

no idea if Qt stands for anything.

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coldsteal:

so i have seen knoppmyth

[20:00:54]

coldsteal:

is mythtv's gui like a tv guide or something

[20:01:06]

aboutblank:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qt_%28toolkit%29

[20:01:28]

aboutblank:

pronounced "cute"

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Dibblah:

I thought it was cutie... ;)

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jitter:

grr...

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coldsteal:

so myth doesnt have its own gui inless u have a wm

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** kormoc blinks **

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Dibblah:

It has it's own GUI.

[20:05:11]

aboutblank:

just run a WM!

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kormoc:

myth has it's own gui no matter what

[20:05:20]

aboutblank:

i'm pretty sure you HAVE to run a WM

[20:05:26]

kormoc:

it just won't work right without a window manager, as something needs to manage the window...

[20:05:46]

aboutblank:

so just run x or xfce or something

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aboutblank:

fluxbox

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jitter:

I did an automatic update on my suse10.1 (backend) and it updated my mythTV now my client is complaining of using protocol 30 whilst protocol 31 is required

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jitter:

what version should i update my frontend to

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jitter:

?

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fryfrog:

latest

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fryfrog:

same as your be

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jitter:

I'll have to check what version that is... curses to automatic updates.. heh

[20:07:03]

Juski:

wow that auto update must suck

[20:07:20]

Juski:

"would you like to break your system now? Y/Y ?"

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** jitter chuckles **

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kormoc:

that's how all autoupdates are

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Fnc-1_:

anyone know if anyone has run mythtv (specifically the FE) on uclinux?

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Juski:

Fnc-1_: linux is linux, pretty much, innit?

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jitter:

well 2 different os'es for backend/frontend doesn't help when doing an automatic update

[20:08:09]

aboutblank:

<_<

[20:08:27]

aboutblank:

jitter: there's a solution: disable automatic updates..

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Juski:

aww but how does one get the latest upheaval?

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aboutblank:

compile source..

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Dibblah:

"emerge upheaval", of course.

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jitter:

it's not my machine so there has to be a certain degree of self maintainance.. I just need to limit the updates to security fixes rather than general... (it's a new machine)

[20:10:23]

jitter:

anyway... thanx... i better get going with the hammer...

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jitter:

err.. update

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Juski:

realistically though... how insecure is linux if you don't update it?

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aboutblank:

are you behind a firewall?

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Juski:

behind a NAT router

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aboutblank:

which blocks incoming requests?

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Juski:

mostly yes

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aboutblank:

mostly? lol...

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Juski:

I run stuff on strange ports, not run-of the mill

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jitter:

he is .. but he tends to fiddle with it too much for me to consider his network secure

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aboutblank:

but you have to open the ports yourself?

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Juski:

apache is on port80 but ssh is on a 'special' one

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Juski:

as is vnc

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Juski:

so some kid might pwn my apache & get in that way but I like the convenience of mythweb

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aboutblank:

i hope vnc is over ssl?

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aboutblank:

sorry.. ssh*

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Juski:

nope

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aboutblank:

that's a gaping security hole.

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Juski:

but vnc isn't on the usual port & would be harder to find by accident

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aboutblank:

no, Juski, it wouldn't

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Juski:

why not?

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aboutblank:

because of the concept of a port scan?

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BULLE:

Juski: just use nx, its faster, and uses ssh for transport

[20:15:17]

Juski:

I keep meaning to look into nx

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kormoc:

NX isn't happy for lack of windows...

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BULLE:

kormoc: uhm ?

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aboutblank:

Juski if you want to worry about security, that's your biggest hole, and if it's been up for more then a month, your box has probably already been backdoored

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kormoc:

no windows support

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kormoc:

for the server

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BULLE:

kormoc: unless you install X on the win machine yes

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Juski:

that I can live with

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BULLE:

nX

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kormoc:

perhaps, but can't really do much with X programs on windows

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BULLE:

just run kde ?

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Juski:

doesn't look like the server is free

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BULLE:

Juski: freenx

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BULLE:

Juski: is free

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kormoc:

if you can't use windows apps, why bother?

[20:17:30]

BULLE:

i cant use windows apps, i have 0 windows apps i need or want to use

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kormoc:

just saying, as a general purpose VNC replacement, NX is lacking

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kormoc:

NX rocks as a X forwarding replacement, but it's not as versital as VNC is

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Juski:

no ebuilds for freenx? oof

[20:18:09]

BULLE:

kormoc: well, its lacking if you must have windows servers

[20:18:13]

BULLE:

Juski: should be

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Dibblah:

There is a freenx build.

[20:18:46]

Dibblah:

But... It's not called freenx, because that would be too easy.

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BULLE:

hehe

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Juski:

there's no freenx ebuild, it's nxserver-freenx

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Dibblah:

NX not as versatile as VNC? Ummm.... Riiiight.

[20:19:55]

** Juski looks for a gentoo howto & a free windows nx client **

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coldsteal:

im trying to figureout what class of myth tv my box will be as in frontend backend or mixed

[20:19:58]

Dibblah:

NX client == VNC + RDP + NX.

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BULLE:

Juski: the client is free, download it from nomachines homepage

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kormoc:

Dibblah, sure... it can't be run on windows or osx... it requires a X server, VNC doesn't require that, and thus is more flexable on which platform it can be used on

[20:20:30]

Dibblah:

Can run on Windows.

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kormoc:

Dibblah, the client software can, server can not

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Dibblah:

Doesn't require an X server...

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Juski:

coldsteal: depends. will it have the tuner cards in it (backend) and will you use it to watch mythtv (frontend)

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kormoc:

Dibblah, that's funny, nomachine says it does, and they wrote it :P

[20:21:21]

coldsteal:

it will have the tuner and 1 tb of storrage and i will watch from it

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Dibblah:

It embeds it's own X server, effectively.

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Juski:

wow. this looks simple enough for even me to get working

[20:22:30]

Dibblah:

It doesn't require a "real" X installation on the machine.

[20:22:36]

Juski:

coldsteal: so it'll be a combined FE & BE then

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coldsteal:

so i take it i really need a gui then

[20:23:18]

Juski:

ooo if this freenx uses my ssh port, that frees up a port :)

[20:23:24]

Dibblah:

coldsteal: I'd suggest reading the instructions... Again.

[20:23:26]

kormoc:

Dibblah, under requirements, http://www.nomachine.com/features.php

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Juski:

coldsteal: how would you watch TV without a desktop environment?

[20:23:48]

kormoc:

Dibblah, Host O.S. Linux Kernels 2.2/2.4/2.6 or Solaris 8, 9 or 10

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coldsteal:

lol i wouldnt

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Juski:

coldsteal: there you go then

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Dibblah:

kormoc: I was wrong there :)

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kormoc:

Dibblah, that's for all of their servers

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coldsteal:

Dibblah: what instructions lol

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Dibblah:

However, that's why it does RDP ;)

[20:24:25]

Juski:

folks moan about needing X to set up a backend, but nobody cares about them

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Dibblah:

coldsteal: http://www.mythtv.org/modules.php?name=MythInstall

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Juski:

a lone backend definitely doesn't need a monitor on it, for sure.. but you do need to run X

[20:25:20]

kormoc:

Dibblah, sure, but really, if you're gonna do RDP, you might as well do it with the standard tools, as it won't actually ecrypt the communications for it

[20:25:41]

Dibblah:

Yup. It also won't export printers, sound, etc.

[20:25:44]

Juski:

I can see the questions we're gonna have to field at the LW expo in 2 weeks' time. "why does mythtv... X y & Z ?"

[20:26:03]

Dibblah:

1) Require X

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Dibblah:

2) Require Mysql

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Dibblah:

3) Not work with Postgres

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Juski:

and my answer is mostly gonna be "cos that's the way the people who wrote it decided it should be and nobody has done anything to change that yet"

[20:26:30]

Dibblah:

3) Use a database at all

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Juski:

yeh... "but VDR doesn't..." or "but Freevo...".. and I'll say "so go use them then" ;-)

[20:27:09]

Dibblah:

4) Not use plugins written in pypervisualsharphash...

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Juski:

I like the idea of the freevo installer though... unpack... ta-da

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coldsteal:

Juski: u can say its open source so write it how u would like it

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Juski:

coldsteal: yeah if I'm in a good mood I'll say that

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Dibblah:

Noone would happen to know where I can get a Xeon PIB screw set, would they? ;)

[20:29:10]

Juski:

I met a guy a few months ago who was literally stamping his foot whining that myth needs mysql.. "but.. but.. it's not like it's fucking Google dammit"... I bit my tongue

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coldsteal:

bye

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[20:30:12]

Juski:

hmm I think this freenx is gonna be an overnight emerger

[20:30:25]

BULLE:

it shouldnt be that big

[20:30:29]

Dibblah:

It's not too bad. It's a small subset of X.

[20:30:35]

BULLE:

indeed

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Juski:

right, so only just a few hours then

[20:30:40]

Dibblah:

Enough to get xnest up, effectively.

[20:30:54]

Dibblah:

You need a bigger compile cluster ;)

[20:31:01]

Dibblah:

Or to get rid of Gentoo.

[20:31:07]

Juski:

aye

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Juski:

still not up to taking the plunge & going to 0.20 yet. might hang on til 0.20.1

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BULLE:

same here

[20:32:15]

Juski:

in 2 years I've kinda become reliant on mythtv just working, all the time

[20:33:16]

jitter:

mythbackend --version gives version : 0.20.20060828–3 .... the frontend also seems to have the same version, yet the update uses protocol 31 (the frontend uses 30) is there a way to find out what the version is... since am not sure i'd be able to roll it back (without doing a compile)

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Juski:

jitter: the other version might still be languishing somewhere

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vballrican:

ohh crap..i get a segmentation fault when doing a lspci -v

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** jitter is currently manually checking the suse repos.. **

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vballrican:

any ideas?

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BULLE:

vballrican: only idea i get is that you have broken your box seriously, what have you done ?

[20:36:37]

BULLE:

lspci should only list info from /proc and /sys though ? so you should be able to just look there

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vballrican:

I'm re-installing on a fresh hd... i installed FC5 with no probs... old box quit after 3 yrs with a segmentation fault error too

[20:37:27]

kormoc:

could just be a bad package...

[20:37:35]

vballrican:

:(

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Juski:

yay it finished emergeringering

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vballrican:

kormoc: bad ivtv package?

[20:38:15]

kormoc:

vballrican, no, bad pciutils package, lspci is part of pciutils

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Dibblah:

The Gentoo howto for NX works quite well.

[20:38:23]

Juski:

g2g & come back.. restarted sshd

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vballrican:

ohh

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aboutblank:

where oh where in the sql database does myth store information on the cutlist? my transcoding is NOT cutting anything out

[20:41:30]

Dibblah:

Actually, I'm here through a NX session.

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Dibblah:

... It's easier to suspend / resume from different machines.

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Dibblah:

Since I have a server continually running. Planning on having my "user" stuff running in a UML soon, so I can truly suspend / resume.

[20:43:31]

Phonica:

does mythtv require accelerated opengl to work or will MESA do?

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BULLE:

Phonica: it doesnt require opengl at all

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Phonica:

cool :)

[20:44:21]

Phonica:

does it require any widget library?

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BULLE:

qt

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Phonica:

kk

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Phonica:

for some reason it insisted that qt was recompiled with mysql and opengl support

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BULLE:

Phonica: hmmm, might be build requirement then

[20:45:26]

Phonica:

kk

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BULLE:

Phonica: but afaik there is no need to actualy enable it

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Phonica:

cool, cheers :)

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Phonica:

im putting mythtv on an embedded system :)

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Phonica:

0 moving parts ;) no fans, flash based hdd

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Phonica:

plays content over NFS/SMB

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BULLE:

Phonica: backend or frontend ?

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Phonica:

frontend

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vballrican:

hmm..lspci lists pvr as a iTVC16...?

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nordle:

hello, I thnk I've setup something incorrectly (ok loads).Â I can schedule a recording, it records, but how do I watch it?Â It does not show up under my videos or my recordings via mythfrontend.

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BULLE:

vballrican: yes, that would make sense

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BULLE:

Phonica: what cpu ?

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vballrican:

ahh...ok

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Phonica:

800Mhz VIA C3

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Phonica:

has hardware mpeg decoding :)

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Juski:

Phonica: just use nfsroot

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Phonica:

?

[20:48:16]

Phonica:

dont need to use full mounting?

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Juski:

Phonica: totally diskless... rootfs stored on the backend :)

[20:48:39]

Phonica:

needs to run without a host system

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aboutblank:

if you have a stream recorded as mpeg2, and you do a lossless transcode to mpeg4, then the filesize should be less with the same exact image quality, correct?

[20:48:46]

vballrican:

do we need options in a modprobe.conf anymore?

[20:48:48]

Juski:

Phonica: ahh

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Juski:

aboutblank: in theory yes

[20:49:15]

BULLE:

can you do a lossless transcode ?

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vballrican:

like 'options ivtv tuner=2' etc?

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nordle:

aboutblank: lossless, then no, same size

[20:49:22]

aboutblank:

Yes.

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Juski:

but it's not a lossless transcode to mpeg4 is it?

[20:49:33]

Juski:

mpeg4 is more lossy than mpeg2

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aboutblank:

nordle: what you just said didn't make any sense

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Juski:

lossless transcoding in mythtv is mpeg2 -> mpeg2

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aboutblank:

mpeg4 has lossless encoding?

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BULLE:

no

[20:50:21]

Juski:

and all it does is copy the majority of the stream & only re-encodes parts near cutpoints that are close to keyframes

[20:50:24]

nordle:

you said "lossless mpeg4 would be smaller" im saying it wont, if its lossless its the same size, you use 5000k or whatever

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mikes__:

any caveats using mythv with DirecTV? I have a Geforce7800GT, has tv-out and video capture.. anyone have any good links? i was browsing the wiki didnt see much about directv

[20:50:56]

Juski:

any time you re-encode something (which lossless transcoding doesn't with mpeg2) you lose stuff.

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Juski:

if you encode a video to mpeg2 at 9mbits/sec, then decode it & recode it again a few times, you'll see what I mean

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vballrican:

on dev/video i only show video0, is this normal for a pvr250?

[20:51:53]

aboutblank:

Juski: i know but that isn't LOSSLESS

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BULLE:

vballrican: video0 should be the mpeg stream device file

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Juski:

aboutblank: so what is?

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aboutblank:

Juski: some codecs have options for lossless encoding!

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nordle:

Juski: yes, very try, but the size wont be smaller if using a vbitrate of 6000, thats what Im getting at. mpeg4 you lose data, but you dont make it smaller automatically, its only smaller if a lower bitrate is used.

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BULLE:

vballrican: i think new ivtv drivers should have 24 and 32 or similar, for other raw output formats

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BULLE:

vballrican: if you get those or not, depends on your udev setup aswell

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Juski:

mikes__: forget about capture on the nvidia card in linux. totally

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vballrican:

BULLE: so something is wrong? it's about 4 yrs old

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aboutblank:

nordle: I don't think you set the bitrate on lossless encoding. it wouldn't make sense.

[20:53:21]

BULLE:

vballrican: dunno, does it work ?

[20:53:22]

mikes__:

Juski: ouch, okay. is the hauppauge pvr-250 pretty much the reccomended choice?

[20:53:32]

npodges:

i'm got a hauppauge pvr-150, and i've got it working with the ivtv driver, but all channels come in black and white or color, but real fuzzy. any ideas?

[20:53:45]

Juski:

mikes__: any of the hauppauge pvr cards, or HDTV, or DVB...

[20:54:05]

mikes__:

ok, thanks.

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nordle:

aboutblank: true, and I think its about 6000ish ie WAY more than the usual 1200–1600 that you might usually re-encode mpeg4 at.

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aboutblank:

nordle: if you are encoding mpeg2 to mpeg4, the output should be at a LOWER bitrate then the input file because the compression for mpeg4 is better

[20:56:30]

aboutblank:

granted that the encoding is lossless.

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npodges:

does anybody know the correct options to use for the ivtv module with the pvr-150? right now, i'm using tuner=50, but all channels come in black and white

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aboutblank:

npodges: if you compile ivtv from source (0.8.0) then in ./configure you set the type.

[20:57:44]

aboutblank:

and can select the hauppauge x50's

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npodges:

oh... i'm using knoppmyth right now, but dont really like it. i'm a normally an ubuntu user

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npodges:

but i thought knoppmyth would be the quickest way..

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aboutblank:

i'm not sure.

[20:59:03]

aboutblank:

i'm new to mythtv too.

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npodges:

i guess i should reinstall ubuntu on that box, i dont know what i'm doing in knoppmyth

[20:59:31]

npodges:

:-D

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aboutblank:

there are guides for dapper

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aboutblank:

UGH!! who on earth made mythtranscode? --mpeg2 lossless is USELESS if it doesn't honor the cutlist!!!! (which it DOESN'T!!!)

[21:02:11]

aboutblank:

sorry kinda pissed.

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skyspy247BB:

Hi All ... I've got a backend with protocol 31 and my "new" frontends are on PCLOS but only go to protocol 30. (mismatch) Is there a way to "upgrade" the protocol to 31 without re-installing frontends from source? Thanks !!

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jitter:

skyspy247BB: hehe, that's what i just did about 30minutes ago

[21:03:31]

npodges:

if i have a backend running on my network, can i just set up a new frontend on another machine, or do i have to change settings on the baackend?

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skyspy247BB:

Jitter ... so from svn is the only way ????

[21:04:54]

jitter:

skyspy247BB: I haven't fixed it yet, but I suspect you will have to either install the frontend from svn... or roll back the backend

[21:05:39]

jitter:

skyspy247BB: did this occur after an update/upgrade?

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skyspy247BB:

Jitter ... The b-e is on an FC5 box ... too much goofin' around for the frontends so I'm switching them to PCLOS where the packages are 1 step behind those available for FC5 ... rats!!!

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** jitter nods **

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skyspy247BB:

Jitter ... how did your svn install go ... any hints?

[21:09:21]

jitter:

something similar here, in my case I had simply used the latest stable release on the frontend

[21:09:39]

jitter:

nothing special...

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skyspy247BB:

PCLOS ???

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vballrican:

yay!! my test capture worked the first time... :)

[21:10:33]

jitter:

hehe, no, using suse 10.1 for backend .. suse 9,3 for frontend

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jitter:

skyspy247BB: if you never did it before.. you may want ot look at http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/

[21:13:14]

skyspy247BB:

Jitter ... thanks for the input I'll check out the link ... Thank the stars for VM-Ware to test out before committing the actual machine ... wish me luck !!!

[21:13:28]

jitter:

GL

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jonK:

hi

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vballrican:

should i use the grey hauppauge remote or this packard bell serial media remote? :0

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vballrican:

well? any suggestions?

[21:19:53]

jonK:

grey hauppage

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vballrican:

hmm.. i had that working before and it doesn't have many buttons.. this is what i have: http://tekgems.com/Products/tg-pbr.htm

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xris:

jonK: how much do you know about gpl law stuff?

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jonK:

a fair amount actually

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nordle:

Can anyoene offer suggestions as to why my scheduled recorded shows dont show up anywhere under mythfrontend?

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octan:

hi all.. anyone from norway here?

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octan:

im having a problem updating my program guide

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octan:

i get this error when i run mythfilldatabase --refresh.all

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octan:

could not fetch http://www.dagbladet.no/tv/mobil/index.html, aborting

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jonK:

xris: what's up?

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octan:

Error in 4:188: unexpected end of file

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npodges:

i have a hauppauge pvr-150 with the ivtv driver.. all channels come in black and white.. anyone experience this or have suggestions?

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nordle:

npodges: But the menu system is in colour?

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npodges:

nordie: yes

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npodges:

it's just the output from the card.

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jitter:

octan: does this occur everytime you run mythfill..

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npodges:

it used to not work at all, but i read to load the module with "options tuner=50"

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nordle:

Is the ivtv driver from the kernel or from distro binary or from source?

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npodges:

now, i have black and white on some channels, and color, but scramled on others

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npodges:

it's a default install of knoppmyth

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octan:

jitter, well it have not happend in the past.. i have been having this porblems this week only

[21:42:56]

xris:

jonK: o_cee has some artwork for a possible new theme that's under a creative commons attribution license, and we were wondering how it would react with the GPL license in mythtv, since at least when it comes to code, attribution and gpl don't get along

[21:43:44]

octan:

jitter, any ideas?

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nordle:

npodges: I would check the projects cvs archive / changelog and see if your issue is mentioned, it might be a driver issue, and it might be something fixed in a later version. Is your reception good?

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jitter:

octan: no, sorry

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nordle:

npodges: By "project" I mean the homepage for the ivtv driver rather than knoppmyth, although that would be a good place to check too.

[21:44:47]

octan:

jitter, are you from norway?

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jitter:

octan: no, from the UK, the xmltv systms are nearly identical though

[21:45:39]

nordle:

jitter: you mean slow and rubbish :)

[21:45:45]

npodges:

yes, reception is good. seems like some people have had _similar_ issues, but none that match it

[21:45:47]

jitter:

heh, yes

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npodges:

perhaps the best bet is to recompile the driver from source.

[21:46:31]

npodges:

i only used knoppmyth because i thought it might be easy to set up, i'm native to ubuntu and dont know my way around knopp that well

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nordle:

jiiter: actually its not tooo bad, I got cvs xmltv installed and now have channel icons...yay! I've had the uk_rt site go down twice in the last 2 weeks though.

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nordle:

npodges: Its a good idea, check teh changelog anyway for the driver just to see if something sounds apporpriate. I saw this link for setting it up on ubuntu......not something you probably want to do now though :) http://www.jonobacon.org/?p=579

[21:49:20]

octan:

if i enter this address.. same as mythfill tryed to grab from http://www.dagbladet.no/tv/mobil/index.html it asks me for a username and password

[21:49:28]

Richard_:

Howdy folks, I have a technisat AirStar 2 which has drivers in the kernel, but for some reason CableStar 2 is not supported at all

[21:49:32]

octan:

tryed in a browser

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octan:

then i did cat /usr/bin/tv_grab_no but i cant find any username in that file

[21:50:21]

octan:

but im not good with perl

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jonK:

xris: your should be fine The GPL provides:

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jonK:

If identifiable sections of that work are not derived from the Program, and can be reasonably considered independent and separate works in themselves, then this License, and its terms, do not apply to those sections when you distribute them as separate works.

[21:51:59]

nordle:

octan: we have the exact same problem in the UK, the site goes like that for a few hours then comes back again.

[21:52:16]

jonK:

and more to the point, the artwork has no "source" that

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jonK:

would be being held back

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jonK:

like attribution binaries

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octan:

we need a new program gude supplyer..

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octan:

her in norway

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octan:

cos its been like that all week

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octan:

i have a crond job that suppose to automatcly update it,,, and my pc is on all the time...it faild all days..

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xris:

jonK: cool, thx.

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nordle:

octan: if its been down that much, is there any mileage in trying to check with the webmaster of the site?

[21:55:52]

octan:

nordle, i dont think the webmaster care much about mythtv..

[21:56:07]

octan:

its a free service ment for cell phones

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xris:

jonK: as long as themes are distributed separately, I guess.

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nordle:

octan: maybe so, but it might be worth just asking whats going on.

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octan:

yes..

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Richard_:

right, has anyone here had any experiences with a "Cinergy 1200" ?

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jonK:

but i think they always would be seperate — even if distribtued as one package — the artwork is going to be standalone

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jonK:

plus, what's the scenario? even if someone alleged that the artwork was now covered by the GPL, what would not have been released?

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jonK:

can anyone tell me what the AutoExpireDayPriority setting in the settings table is for?

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jitter:

i can only guess

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jonK:

I'll take it....

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FunkyELF:

i know i've asked this before but either nobody answers or by the time they do I've already left my computer....

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jonK:

I think it's autoexpiring any recording that are more than three days old (it's set to 3)

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FunkyELF:

anyone upgrade from .19 to .20 on gentoo?

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smooth:

I'm having serious dilemma with this on gentoo. can anyone in here help me?

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FunkyELF:

smooth, you use the gentoo myth wiki?

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smooth:

when I follow the install wiki, it tells me to run mythtv-setup as normal user

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smooth:

FunkyELF: yes

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smooth:

here's my log

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smooth:

http://smooth.hopto.org/mythtv-setup.log

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FunkyELF:

smooth, can't help you then...sorry, it just worked for me

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smooth:

I can't connect to the db as normal user

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smooth:

did you run mythtv-setup as normal user or root?

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FunkyELF:

i think you need to grant some permissions in mysql...maybe check in #mysql?

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buddy:

hello?

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jonK:

hi

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buddy:

hi

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smooth:

do I need to add user smooth to mysql or user mythtv?

[22:39:48]

buddy:

i have a few issues with mythtv

[22:39:51]

smooth:

because I can connect to mysql as mythtv

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jonK:

that depends on what you want to do

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smooth:

I have a LOT of issues. namely that it's wasted three days of my time

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buddy:

i am trying to install mythrecipe

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smooth:

now, if I had the choice to go back, I would install MCE and sagetv and spend the $80

[22:40:50]

scopeuk:

or you could have gone for knoppmyth

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buddy:

the issue I have is qmake

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buddy:

which I think is partof qt

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buddy:

am I right so far ?

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buddy:

when logged on as root I typed qt and qmake both times said command was not found

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jitter:

jonK: sorry..I was away, but your guess sounds correct

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buddy:

I then went and did apt-get install qt

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smooth:

no, my options are to set this myth-crp on my server or just go with a pure windows install on my htpc.

[22:44:04]

buddy:

apt-get said qt was already installed

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jitter:

buddy: they weren't in root's path?

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buddy:

BYT useing atrpms

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smooth:

are there still problems with using mysql 5?

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jitter:

buddy: besides, you should do the qmake as a user anyway

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buddy:

no but useing web admin i did a search for qt and qmake could not find the commands

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Jevangelo:

how would mythtv work with regular cable tv?

[22:45:38]

Jevangelo:

would it get the program names and everything

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buddy:

np to logg in a s mythtv

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buddy:

what are those commands ?

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smooth:

Jevangelo, yeah, given if you *can* get it working, then yes, it is capable of tat

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GreyFoxx:

Jevangelo: It downloads them with xmltv

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smooth:

big IF tho

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smooth:

;)

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GreyFoxx:

assuming xmltv hasa graqbber for your country/area

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smooth:

are any of you using mysql 5 or are you still using mysql 4?

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GreyFoxx:

4.0.x here

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buddy:

what are those commands ? QT and Qmake

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smooth:

GreyFoxx: thanks

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smooth:

I'm using mysql 5. if anyone is using 5, please let me know if there are issues? I'd rather not keep troubleshooting if thats the issue, I'll just go back to 4

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GreyFoxx:

Jevangelo: If you are in the US/Canada then you get your listings via datadirect,and xmlfeed fromzap2it

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GreyFoxx:

which is how mostusers gettheir data

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Jevangelo:

ah

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GreyFoxx:

smooth: Well,whatis your problem, and what version of myth

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Jevangelo:

i get it

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Jevangelo:

i thought it would extract the info directly from the cable

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GreyFoxx:

no

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buddy:

no osd is generated by the cable company

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buddy:

osd = on screen display

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Jevangelo:

ah

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GreyFoxx:

actually the OSD is "generated" by your STB using EIT info it gathers from the cable companies digital cable broadcast :)

[22:51:34]

GreyFoxx:

But that's not something available to analog cable

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GreyFoxx:

some placesbroadcast guide+ stuff , but I've never seen a PC based implementation to read thatdata

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buddy:

ok be tekie :)

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sphery:

smooth: what version of MythTV?

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smooth:

I am using myth-.20

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GreyFoxx:

then it would be fine with 5

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sphery:

0.20 should work without problems with MySQL 5

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buddy:

Jevangelo are you trying to build a box from scratch?

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smooth:

when I follow the wiki, I can not connect to the db

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sphery:

GreyFoxx types too fast...

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smooth:

http://smooth.hopto.org/mythtv-setup.log

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smooth:

I *can* as root.

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FunkyELF:

GreyFoxx, you use gentoo don't you?

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smooth:

is the wiki wrong?

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GreyFoxx:

FunkyELF:Nop

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smooth:

http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Setup_MythTV

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smooth:

step 2.4

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sphery:

smooth: QSqlDatabase: QMYSQL3 driver not loaded

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GreyFoxx:

smooth: Did you update MySQL after you installed QT ?

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Jevangelo:

yea

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sphery:

Looks like you have a QT without MySQL support

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Jevangelo:

im trying to start one from scrach using gentoo

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buddy:

How far have you gotton?

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smooth:

I don't tho

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smooth:

and if I did, why would root run ok?

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buddy:

aint it fun :)

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Jevangelo:

not far

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Jevangelo:

i havent even loaded the bastion host

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GreyFoxx:

smooth: Did you update MySQL after you installed QT ?

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sphery:

smooth: you're saying you can connect to the MySQL database /through Myth/ using the root user?

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smooth:

I am saying that if I run mythtv-setup as unix user root, I can setup the database

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buddy:

What is QT?

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sphery:

An API used to build Myth.

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smooth:

but if I run mythtv-setup as user smooth, then I can not

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sphery:

Just a library of functions.

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smooth:

I can connect to mythconverg with mysql -u mythtv -p

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GreyFoxx:

buddy: The QT libraries. Used by many apps for graphics, string handling, etc etc

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smooth:

and I can connect to mythconverg with mysql -u root -p

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GreyFoxx:

KDE and myth use it heavily

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buddy:

so qmake is in that lib?

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GreyFoxx:

buddy: yes

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smooth:

I don't honestly know if I've updated mysql afterwards

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buddy:

ahhh now i get it

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GreyFoxx:

smooth: Being able to connect to mysql via the commandline doesn';t mean your QT has proper support for it

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GreyFoxx:

smooth: If you did then you will need to rebuild Qt against the new version

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smooth:

no, but being able to run mythtv-setup as root would indicate qt had correct support?

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sphery:

smooth: you probably have multiple versions of QT on your system and the QTDIR/PATH for root user use the right one and the one for mythtv user use the wrong one

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smooth:

aha

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buddy:

where would be the default location of the QT lib?

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smooth:

I do have qt 3 and qt4

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smooth:

now we might be on to something

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smooth:

now, am I right that mythtv is still using qt3?

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sphery:

So, do you have QT MySQL drivers installed for 3?

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sphery:

Yes.

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smooth:

both qt 3 and qt 4 have mysql enabled in their USE flags (if you are familiar with gentoo)

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smooth:

should I remove qt 4 or is there a way to check whether my user is setup for 3 o4 ?

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smooth:

although, when I ls .qt in /home/smooth I get qt_plugins_3.3rc if that means anything

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smooth:

and I have nothing in /root/.qt

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Phonica:

anyone here using mythtv in gento?

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smooth:

although I wouldn't because I haven't run mythtv-setup as unix root user. I didn't want to mess anything up

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smooth:

Phonica, yeah, that's what I'm working on right now

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Phonica:

when you got mysql insalled, did u get a /etc/init.d/mysql?

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GreyFoxx:

smooth: you can force it by setting QTDIR before starting myth

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smooth:

yes

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Phonica:

i dont have one :S

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smooth:

that's odd

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smooth:

reemerge it

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Phonica:

already done

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smooth:

is the only thing I can think of. or you can have mine, lol, but you probably don't want it

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Phonica:

and a unmerge then emerge

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smooth:

GreyFoxx, how do I check QTDIR? with an echo command?

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Phonica:

might as well, all the binaries are there just not the init script

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GreyFoxx:

echo $QTDIR

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smooth:

/usr/qt/3

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smooth:

on my

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smooth:

this is hectic

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sphery:

do you have a log of root connecting to the database?

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smooth:

sphery: no,I didn't want to do that yet

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GreyFoxx:

sphery: He connected via the mysql commandline with the mysql root user,not using myth :)

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buddy:

hmmm echo $QTDIR for me comes back blank i figured out my problem :)

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smooth:

GreyFoxx: I can connect as unix root, as well.

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smooth:

lol

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GreyFoxx:

still not part of thisproblem :)

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GreyFoxx:

buddy: hahah

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smooth:

GreyFoxx: no, I mean I can run mythtv-setup as unix root fine. it connects and creates the tables

[23:04:35]

GreyFoxx:

Then it likely a different environment setting,such asQTDIR

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smooth:

but I don't have a log because I thought that the wiki was correct, and I should only do it as user

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smooth:

QTDIR are the same for unix root and unix smooth

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smooth:

what other environments variables should I check?

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GreyFoxx:

That's about all I'd check really

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smooth:

sphery, the thing I'm concerned about is if I configure the mythtv as unix root, then will I run into permission problems?

[23:06:13]

smooth:

because when I did that two days ago, I then couldn't connect from the frontend to the backend

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GreyFoxx:

followed by stracing to see what libraries are getting loaded or failing to load

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smooth:

this doesn't make any sense though

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smooth:

why should there even be a problem.

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GreyFoxx:

Because it doesn't like you ?:)

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smooth:

so are there any problems with running mythtv-setup as root?

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scopeuk:

arnt you meant to run mythtv-setup as root? or is that jsut certain distros

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GreyFoxx:

scopeuk: Myth doesn;tcare

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smooth:

I don't know. I was trying to follow the wiki

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scopeuk:

GreyFoxx thoruhgt it was needed for full accesto files it made modification to

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smooth:

so myth doesn't care and mysql doesn't care

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scopeuk:

jsut seams to be the way how to's go

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GreyFoxx:

scopeuk: That's more dependant on your distro

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scopeuk:

i read alot of how tooes and sucessfulyl hosed two debian installs beforegoing for knoppmyth becouse my patients wore thin

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jonK:

I think you mean patience wore thin

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smooth:

but the fact is that you can use mythtv-setup as any user you want? in theory and in practice?

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smooth:

or does anyone else have this problem that they can't run mythtv-setup as a normal user?

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Ediehow:

hi

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Ediehow:

anyone using lirc?

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Ediehow:

w/ an ir blaster?

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GreyFoxx:

smooth: I run it as both depending on who I happen to be at the moment I want to run it :)

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scopeuk:

jonK i cant spell and my typing is worse

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jonK:

but can you tell me what AutoExpireDayPriority is

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jonK:

and, did you misspell the word "patience" or just misuse the word "patients"

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scopeuk:

misues as i dont know the correct spelling and was trying it phonetically

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smooth:

now it won't even connect as root

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smooth:

I'm taking out qt4, that's just bound to introduce problems?

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jonK:

really, from a command line mysql -u root -p [password, if you set one]

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smooth:

no, I mean that when I do mythtv-setup as unix root, I can't connect to the db

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Basstard`:

is there a way to, when listening to music, keep listening while doing other stuff in myth?

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smooth:

whenever I do mysql -u root or mysql -u mythtv I can connect fine

[23:21:48]

smooth:

but I need to create the tables

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scopeuk:

dont you have to build the tables before you run setup?

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smooth:

running setup builds the tables, I thought

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smooth:

it did the first time I tried it anyway

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smooth:

thought that's what setup did?

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smooth:

how else would you do it, by hand?

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jonK:

you mean mythtv-setup?

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smooth:

jonk: yes

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jonK:

from command line try mysql -u root mythconverg

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jonK:

and -p pass if you have set one

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smooth:

it connects fine

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scopeuk:

do you have mythconverg?

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smooth:

there are no tables, though. I need to run mythtv-setup

[23:24:07]

smooth:

yes

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buddy:

sorry stepped away for supper

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smooth:

I can't believe I've lost *another* day to this

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smooth:

I'm feeling sick and angry.

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jonK:

smooth — you need to set up the database schema outside of the smythtv-setup

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buddy:

gotta love shrimp and spagatti

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smooth:

how do I do that?

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smooth:

that's not in the wiki

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jonK:

are you building mythtv from source or using a precompiled package

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smooth:

and I didn't have to do that the first time, but whatever. How do I do it now?

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smooth:

source

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smooth:

on gentoo

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jonK:

in the mythtv source directory

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smooth:

there, qt3 is recompiled

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smooth:

why would I need to do this?

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smooth:

I'm lost. why are the wikis all over the place

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jonK:

http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-6.html

[23:26:21]

smooth:

yeah, I followed that

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jonK:

mysql < /usr/share/mythtv/database/mc.sql

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jonK:

you did that, as root?

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smooth:

yes

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smooth:

that creates mythconverg, but not the tables

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jonK:

I'm not sure that makes sense

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smooth:

well, whatever. I did the steps ;)

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buddy:

well i found the problem I built my box from mythdora and it seams that i didnt install it the QT lib

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smooth:

I have a database called mythconverg, it doesn't have any tables in it

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jonK:

i guess that's right — reading hte mc.txt file

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jonK:

next step is running mythtv-setup

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jonK:

what happens when you run this?

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jonK:

asssuming you've compiled the soruce

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smooth:

when I run it as normal user, I can't connect

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jonK:

what user?

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smooth:

http://smooth.hopto.org/mythtv-setup.log

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smooth:

michael

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smooth:

but we can call him smooth

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jonK:

have you granted privilges to this user in mysql?

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smooth:

any user though. I created another user and same problem

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scopeuk:

jonK i know its not 100% there but maby this cna shed some light http://mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/2004-July/047773.html

[23:32:48]

smooth:

I may have forgotten that this time around

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smooth:

I am able to create the tables as unix root user

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smooth:

which is what I've done this time

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smooth:

am I going to run into problems? greyfoxx said that mysql didn't care

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smooth:

ls

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jonK:

mysql maintains its own list of users who can connect, and where they can connect from

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smooth:

jonk, so running myth-setup as root will not create permission problems?

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smooth:

I've read so much stuff

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smooth:

I need to make sure I've granted smooth permission to access mysql db

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jonK:

I don't know, to be honest, I've never done it

[23:35:14]

jonK:

any reason not to create a user "mythtv"

[23:35:22]

smooth:

I have a user mythtv

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scopeuk:

is smoth a mysql user or a unix user?

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smooth:

but I can't use it

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jonK:

both

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smooth:

smooth is a unix user

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smooth:

mythtv is a mysql user

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smooth:

and a unix user, but I can't su into it

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jonK:

well, actaully, you tell mysql that the user mythtv has permissions to access the mysql database

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smooth:

yes

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smooth:

but it has no shell

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jonK:

?

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jonK:

how did you create teh user mythtv??

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smooth:

mythtv:x:102:27:added by portage for mythtv:/dev/null:/usr/sbin/nologin

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smooth:

~#su mythtv

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smooth:

~# this account is currently not available

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smooth:

~#sudo mythtv-setup mythtv

[23:38:21]

smooth:

~#mythtv-setup: cannot connect to X server

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smooth:

if there were one thing I think is a legitimate complaint, versus just my problems configuring the thing, is that a backend would *necessitate* X

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smooth:

it makes no sense

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jonK:

try DISPLAY=:0 sudo mythtv mythtv-setup

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jonK:

don't know if that will work

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smooth:

try: command not found ;)

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smooth:

LOL

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jonK:

omit the try

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smooth:

no, it didn't work

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smooth:

I know, been up all night

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smooth:

didn't work

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jonK:

make mythtv a user that can login

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Pryon:

probably need to do an xauth as the owner of the X session

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smooth:

how do I do that?

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smooth:

I've tried changing that but then I don't have a /HOMe

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Pryon:

*Generally a bad idea, security-wise*: xauth +

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Pryon:

as whomever started X

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smooth:

no, I meant, how do I make mythtv login

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smooth:

unknown command "+"

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Pryon:

su -; then, as root, su – mythtv

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smooth:

no, I can't do that

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Pryon:

'xauth +'

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smooth:

No directory, logging in with HOME=/

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Pryon:

Actually, it depends on what you mean by "didn't work"

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smooth:

This account is currently not available

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Pryon:

Oh. Is this ubuntu?

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scopeuk:

gentoo

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Pryon:

gentoo does that 'no root account' thing too?

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jonK:

scopeuk: still no metnion of AutoExpireDayPriority

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jonK:

sudo -s will give you a root shell

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smooth:

I have a root shell

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jonK:

or try adding mysql privileges to your user michael and having that user run mythtv-setup?

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smooth:

or what do you mean?

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mmarker:

Ok, anyone ever get a FusionHDTV gold, digital cable, mythtv, and a zap2it account to successfully put the proper channel names into something

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smooth:

by adding michael to mysql group?

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smooth:

or within mysql?

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jonK:

latter

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smooth:

ok, do I need to do that in a particular database or is it global?

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smooth:

first step: mysql -u root -p

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smooth:

show databases;

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jonK:

mysql> grant all on mythconverg.* to michael@localhost identified by "michael

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smooth:

information_schema mysql mythconverg

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jonK:

and then "; at the end

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Pryon:

"~#mythtv-setup: cannot connect to X server" => 'xauth +' as michael and then try 'DISPLAY=:0 sudo mythtv-setup mythtv' again

[23:46:19]

smooth:

and if i want to xforward I change localhost to 192.168.0.% ?

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Un1x:

WHy does mythv need SQL?

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smooth:

;)

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jonK:

to make smooth cry

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smooth:

why does it need X...that's the question

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jonK:

mythtv-setup needs it

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smooth:

yeah, we need an ncurses setup

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smooth:

hmmm, I guess in that case if I was motivated I could add my tables by hand and not need it ;)

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smooth:

which would be silly

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jonK:

you're free to write one

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smooth:

and if i want to xforward I change localhost to 192.168.0.% ?

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scopeuk:

id go all for v.basic setup on backend eg database server andd nothign else then do all configuration from first activated front end

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smooth:

that would be sweet.....and make sense

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smooth:

that's how I thought it would be when I first started 3 days ago

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scopeuk:

mmarker gl

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fryfrog_:

smooth: you could do vnc?

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scopeuk:

tio any one considering eatign a bag of sainsburyies crunchy sticks to themselfs dont

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smooth:

no, adding michael like that did not solve the issue

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smooth:

vnc for what?

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jonK:

can michael connect?

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scopeuk:

the vinagar is killing me and i love the stuff

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smooth:

no

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smooth:

he cannot

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smooth:

hmm, I forgot to set a password

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scopeuk:

jonK maby fire up mythtv-setup then have a look for somethign withthe same value?

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jonK:

mysql -u michael mythconverg [-p passrworwd?]

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jonK:

scope, I had a bunch of recordings get deleted

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** scopeuk is so glad hissystem has apatche and phpmyadmin **

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scopeuk:

jonK i know

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scopeuk:

i was here

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smooth:

I have apache and phpmyadmin

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jonK:

ok

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scopeuk:

then why are you pissing about with sql oncli?

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smooth:

um

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scopeuk:

permisions etc are easy via phpmyadmin

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smooth:

hm

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mmarker:

hey, some people like pain.

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scopeuk:

or maby thats jsut the way my head is wired

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smooth:

I haven't ever used phpmyadmin

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jonK:

clicking is hard

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smooth:

but it didn't seem that much difficult

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mmarker:

let's go shopping

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smooth:

it is on a laptop without a mouse, that is true, tho

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scopeuk:

generaly you whould run php my adin on the machine with the databse so you can conenct to root without having to expose it to network access

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jonK:

he's got you there scope

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BonBonTheJon:

how do I list games by first letter in mythgame

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scopeuk:

yeh without a mouse php my admin whould be a little more awkward to use

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scopeuk:

tab key to the rescue

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smooth:

I'm behind a router in my house and thats behind a router at my uni.

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jonK:

do you need to restart mysqld in order for privileges to take effect?

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smooth:

haha

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smooth:

yeah, I think so

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smooth:

that's a good point

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scopeuk:

much as this is a most enthraling converation i gotta be up in 8 hours so gnite

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jonK:

i dont, but it probably could not hurt...

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smooth:

gnite

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jonK:

you do need to use the flush privileges

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smooth:

oh

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smooth:

ok, so mysql -u root -

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smooth:

ok, so mysql -u root -p

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jonK:

flush privileges

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jonK:

;

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smooth:

where do I set a password for michael

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smooth:

since I forgot to do that

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jonK:

but go ahead and restart, doubt it could hurt

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jonK:

SET PASSWORD FOR root@localhost=PASSWORD('rubberchicken');

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jonK:

change to michael

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mmarker:

grrr, yea, hand editing it is. poo

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jonK:

then flush privileges;

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smooth:

ok, that's working for connecting to mysql

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smooth:

still can't connect with mythtv-setup tho

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jonK:

right,

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smooth:

how do I show all the users who have permissions?

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jonK:

you need to change some values in mysql.txt

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smooth:

I don't leave username as mythtv and pass as mythtv?

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mmarker:

ok, mythtv over vnc == bad idea

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jonK:

what happens when you run mythtv-setup as michael

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smooth:

this: http://smooth.hopto.org/mythtv-setup.log

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