Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Wednesday, October 11th, 2006, 00:05 UTC

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fryfrog:

Does anyone have a firewire setup with *two* tuners hooked to one box?

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fryfrog:

for some reason, they have a tendency to get a *different* node every time the system hooked to it is rebooted, the cable is unplugged or the stbs are rebooted

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sunnyhours4130:

this might not be the best place to ask this, but does anyone know much about voltage regulators? I'm working on an IR receiver to use with lirc

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siXy:

sunnyhours4130: not off the top of my head. google is your friend – there are plenty of howtos on the subject

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sunnyhours4130:

k cool

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sunnyhours4130:

hm... i think lirc installed. that was way easier than i thought

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disant:

hello

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disant:

to upgrade from 19 to 20.. do I need to uninstall 19 first?

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fryfrog:

probably not

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fryfrog:

this isn't windows :)

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sunnyhours4130:

ha

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fryfrog:

and of course, it depends a lot on what distro/package management you use

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disant:

fryfrog, good question...

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disant:

... but i'm compiling from the source

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n00bi3:

please to be telling how to make the linuxs work on the microsoft offices softwares and thank yous

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disant:

n00bi3, wrong channel

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disant:

n00bi3, try #linuxhelp

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n00bi3:

thank yous muchly

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fryfrog:

disant: just recompile and install, it'll over write anything you installed last time

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Ediehow:

hi

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Ediehow:

anyone familiar with using ir blasters?

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Aid`:

i have myth .20 how do i set the LOF LOW and HIGH Freq for DVB??

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xris:

disant: don't feed the trolls

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Ediehow:

xris: would you happen to be using an ir blaster?

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Aid`:

because i could in .19 and .18

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Aid`:

but now it doesn't give the LOF LOW AND HIGH OPTION

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FunkyELF:

anyone here upgrade from .19 to .20 on gentoo?

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simcop2387:

i did, didn't use the offical ebuilds though

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xris:

Ediehow: not anymore. (firewire)

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Aid`:

so i can't fix it to work?

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Ediehow:

i wonder if there's anything i can do

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Ediehow:

to use the box straight into linux

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Ediehow:

it's a dish 322 box

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xris:

Ediehow: nope. IR blaster worked great with my box just like that, though

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Ediehow:

xris: but was it usb-uirt?:)

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xris:

then comcast made me an offer I couldn't refuse.

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xris:

Ediehow: no. my blaster was homemade serial

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Ediehow:

yeah, my info command works, that's it

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Ediehow:

every other command causes lircd to say "unsupported remote:"

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xris:

Ediehow: you follow the lirc setup instructions that "losdos" talks about/

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xris:

?

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xris:

google: losdos lirc mythtv

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Ediehow:

xris: i followed the lirc usb-uirt howto, and i've gotten the correct lircd.conf from others

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Ediehow:

i have the patched lirc for usb-uirt supported

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xris:

Ediehow: lame

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Ediehow:

:(

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Ediehow:

i used that irecord technique, but it only generates two dots for my remote, but tons of dots with another remote

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Ediehow:

(a pc remote)

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Aid`:

is there a watch to restore my database

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promacuser:

i'm not able to reach the internet with my mythbox again

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promacuser:

and i can't remember how i fixed it last time

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Aid`:

How can i rrestore my backed up database?

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promacuser:

sorry about the not much information. i can't ping anything from the box

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promacuser:

anybody here able to help?

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Aid`:

no one

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fuffalo:

if i setup a mythv box to use a particular partition, can i change that later on without reinstalling it all

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Primer:

on Linux anything is possible

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Primer:

all bets are off if windows is involved

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ts0:

what does this mean: Oct 11 08:48:04 ankokutoshijutsu lircd-0.8.0[28444]: "2155675648": must be a valid (lirc_t) number

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ts0:

I think I have the right database entries

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LabMonkey:

well for starters

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LabMonkey:

it means that your hostname is way too damn long

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ts0:

thank you for that wisdom

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LabMonkey:

you're welcome

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ts0:

:)

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LabMonkey:

seriously how do you ssh to that?

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ts0:

ssh anko

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LabMonkey:

ahh, double dns entries

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LabMonkey:

clever

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ts0:

just a hosts entry

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ts0:

beats using the v6 address

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ts0:

anyway

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LabMonkey:

speaking of v6 I seriously need to quit procrastinating about that

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ts0:

all I want is to be able to select a channel in the program guide and have it blast my directv D10 with the right info to change the channel

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ts0:

as opposed to the typical usb-serial route

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promacuser:

anything for me to check to see why the internet isn't working?

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promacuser:

httpd is currently not running for me

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promacuser:

for some reason that i don' tknow

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kormoc:

promacuser, well, the internet is working or else you wouldn't be on here talking to us...

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promacuser:

kromoc: yes, this has happened before. i can ping anything on my local network, but my mythbox can't connect to the outside world

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ts0:

promacuser: route add default gw <Gateway>

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promacuser:

ts0: do i need to subsitute something for gateway?

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ts0:

promacuser: yes, whatever your router is

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kash:

yo.

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kash:

anyone have an saa7134 card?

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promacuser:

ts0: that didn't fix it. i don't think that httpd is running

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promacuser:

ts0: when i try to start apache, it fails

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ts0:

promacuser: netstat -rn

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promacuser:

ts0: it says netstat not found. i don't know if i don't have it or what

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ts0:

man, I can't help that kind of brokenness

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ts0:

basically

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ts0:

if you can ping, your physical stuff is working and your local stuff is working

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ts0:

either your name resolution is toast, or your routes are toast

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promacuser:

hmm

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kash:

mythtv is so laggy :/

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promacuser:

well, we fixed this before, and i do remember netstat a little bit

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ts0:

on my network, its route add default gw 192.168.1.1

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kash:

and i can't get coax-in to work

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ts0:

which is a NAT router, on your side it may be something totally different

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kash:

hm.. it worked on windows, but not linux nor freebsd

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promacuser:

is there another netstat type application?

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kash:

netcat ?

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ts0:

route -n

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promacuser:

that i have. do you want to see what it gave?

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promacuser:

also, i tried ifup eth0

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promacuser:

root@mythtv:/var/log/apache# ifup eth0

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promacuser:

SIOCSIFNETMASK: Invalid argument

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promacuser:

Failed to bring up eth0.

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promacuser:

root@mythtv:/var/log/apache# route -n

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promacuser:

Kernel IP routing table

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promacuser:

Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric Ref Use Iface

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promacuser:

192.168.1.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth0

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promacuser:

0.0.0.0 192.168.1.1 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 eth0

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kash:

ifconfig eth0

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promacuser:

kash: ok, that gave a bunch of stuff. what's the important stuff?

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kash:

paste all

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Gumby:

promacuser: sounds like your dns entries may be fubar. do you use dhcp or static IP?

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promacuser:

static

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Gumby:

whats the output of cat /etc/resolv.conf

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kash:

echo "nameserver 192.168.1.1" > /etc/resolv.conf

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kash:

so no one's willing to help me with my lagging mythtv setup?

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kash:

at all?

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promacuser:

nameserver 207.172.3.8

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promacuser:

nameserver 207.172.3.9

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kash:

dig google.com @207.172.3.8

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kash:

try that

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promacuser:

looks like i don't have dig either

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kash:

oh well

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Gumby:

promacuser: try as root

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kash:

it was a good try.

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Gumby:

if you arent already

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kash:

Gumby: doesn't matter

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kash:

dig is in /bin or /usr/bin

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Gumby:

kash: depends on the distro

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kash:

not really, no.

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Gumby:

as can netstat

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Gumby:

sorry, not netstat...

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promacuser:

still no dig

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kormoc:

kash, while it's true that the majority of distros have it that way, there are some odd ones that don't comply with the LSB that might have that.

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Gumby:

promacuser: I am going to assume that you dont have traceroute either.

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kormoc:

promacuser, what distro is this anyway?

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promacuser:

actually, i ahve traceroute

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promacuser:

it's knoppmyth

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Fnc:

knopp should be easy

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Gumby:

try traceroute google.com and see where it fails

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promacuser:

strangely enough, it didn't fail

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kash:

right.. and you can't ping?

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promacuser:

correct

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Fnc:

ping www.yahoo.com

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promacuser:

oh, wait

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promacuser:

wow, that was odd

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promacuser:

suddenly i'm back on the internet on the mythbox

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Gumby:

a glitch in the matrix

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promacuser:

but the real question now seems to be this: why does it lose the connection every reboot?

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kormoc:

it's haunted

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Fnc:

Gumby

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Fnc:

heh

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Fnc:

cuz its not set up right?

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kash:

heh

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kash:

uh oh

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promacuser:

"anyone can be a jackass"

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kash:

how well (theoretically) should mythtv run on a celeron/667 with 128MB of RAM?

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Aid`:

how can i delete my database in mysql?

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kormoc:

well, wel didn't sign onto irc and ask why the internet was broken :)

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Fnc:

yup and some cant configure ethernet stuffs to work on boot

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kormoc:

Aid`, DROP DATABASE;

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Fnc:

Aid` thats on mythtv.com

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Gumby:

kash: slowly? and barely if it is using a bttv based card

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kash:

it's an saa card

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Fnc:

along with restoreing and all

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promacuser:

haha

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kash:

Gumby: i've read places though that people get it to run nicely :/

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promacuser:

kormoc: i signed on to IRC from a different computer of course

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promacuser:

maybe i'll do a voodoo dance above it or something

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kormoc:

promacuser, still, you should have said network or something that didn't mean the entire world wide net :)

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Aid`:

kormoc: mysql> drop mythconverg;

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Aid`:

ERROR 1064 (42000): You have an error in your SQL syntax; check the manual that corresponds to your MySQL server version for the right syntax to use near 'mythconverg' at line 1

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kormoc:

DROP DATABASE mythconverg;

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promacuser:

kormoc: see, that shows off my newbieness still. i've only been with linux for a few years yet

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Fnc:

aid mythtv.com

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promacuser:

and then, off and on

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Fnc:

Aid` : http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-23.html#ss23.5

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kash:

is there any way to make mythtv run faster on that piece of junk?

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disant:

this is great... just as I finished my modifying channel changer to work with SA4200HD box... found out that .20 comes w/one just for that

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Fnc:

OC it

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kash:

it's sitting in a closet

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kash:

i can't do that

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kash:

:/

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kash:

plus the BIOS sucks and there's no OC options

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Fnc:

try an open bios

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Fnc:

?

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disant:

kash, you strip down mythtv to mythweather and mythnews

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disant:

it should handle those two no prob

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ts0:

mythnews needs to be rewritten to scroll across the bottom of the video

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ts0:

that would be hot

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disant:

ts0, there u go.. a weekend project for ya

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ts0:

my weekend project would be writing a ruby-myth interface

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ts0:

and beating it bloody until it supported postgresql

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kash:

disant: pfft, nonsense.

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Fnc:

whats ruby?

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ts0:

wikipedia is your friend

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Fnc:

aint that one of them programmin thingys

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disant:

nah.. writing it in Assembler.. that's something to brag about, mate

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disant:

ruby is cool though

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Fnc:

found it.. ruby is a gem

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Fnc:

whats a good way to check your load?

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Fnc:

on your myth box that is

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Fnc:

top?

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Fnc:

anything else?

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disant:

iostat

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disant:

depends what you want to check

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disant:

n/m iostat == solaris

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Fnc:

just wanted to see how things were on it, and what i might need to improve

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Aid`:

im getting 2006-10–10 21:24:52.307 DiSEqCDevTree, Warning: No device tree for cardid 1

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Aid`:

how do i fix that

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gordonjl:

hi, all. my mythtv box is not showing me the menu system. When I start mythtv I just see live tv. I can pause, change channels, etc, but when I hit the "back" button on my remote or "esc" on the keyboard, mythtv quits. any ideas?

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gordonjl:

I get messages like "Warning: no device tree for cardid 1"

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Agrajag-:

someone's symlinked mythfrontend to a different tv watching app?

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gordonjl:

for example

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gordonjl:

cancel that errror msg. that was from the setup app (which, by the way, is working fine)

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gordonjl:

I have to say that this is probably the worst channel I've ever been subscribed to that has so many people in it. I'd say the "Bueler? Bueler?" joke, but I don't think anyone would hear it in this crowd :(

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jeffmeden:

i have a problem thats not directly mythtv related but maybe you guys have a clue: i just upgraded my graphic card to a nvidia one with component output, i boot the pc and the colors are great, but when i get into x windows and the nvidia driver loads, the display goes all blue

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jeffmeden:

not like theres no signal, but the display is only showing the color blue for everything

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Fnc:

does it only have comp. out?

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jeffmeden:

no it has svideo and composite as well

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Fnc:

you try those? same thing???

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jeffmeden:

but the only reason i got this card was the component feature

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jeffmeden:

no they are fine

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jeffmeden:

its got to do with the nvidia driver

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jeffmeden:

when its not loaded everything looks great

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Fnc:

what driver you usin?

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jeffmeden:

the latest available for FC4

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Fnc:

might try downgrading?

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jeffmeden:

funny story

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jeffmeden:

i had the old drivers

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jeffmeden:

they worked great for all modes

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jeffmeden:

but they didnt support the nvidia drivers

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jeffmeden:

as in i couldnt use the nvidia adjustment tool

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Fnc:

im using this one 8774

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Fnc:

ahh yeah funky stuff with that

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jeffmeden:

which is another must have for good TV output

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Fnc:

what card you have?

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jeffmeden:

yeah these i upgraded to are 8774

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jeffmeden:

its an agp 6200 w/ 128mb

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Ediehow:

hi friends

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Ediehow:

J-e-f-f-A: you around?

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jeffmeden:

the 8762 ones showed all colors in component mode like they should

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jeffmeden:

which is why this is so frustrating... how could they fix something and break something else!!!

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Fnc:

they do it a lot

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jeffmeden:

yeah too often

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jeffmeden:

but i was hoping there was something i was missing

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jeffmeden:

some secret setting

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jeffmeden:

i dunno

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jeffmeden:

google has let me down on this one

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jeffmeden:

i dont have any text to search on

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jeffmeden:

besides 'component output blue' which isnt helpful

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kash:

i'm running a scantv script to see if it will ever find a channel

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kash:

:/

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jeffmeden:

curse this $35 video card and the box it rode up in

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Ediehow:

oh to have ir blaster working

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Ediehow:

are we SURE i cannot buy an ir blaster serial and use it with usb to serial?

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Fnc:

chek your messages?

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Fnc:

var/log/messages

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Fnc:

and myth back and front just to see

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jeffmeden:

who me?

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Fnc:

yeah'

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jeffmeden:

and look for what

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jeffmeden:

'blue failed on nvidia0'

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Fnc:

any errors at all?

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jeffmeden:

nothings out of the ordinary

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jeffmeden:

except the lack of colors

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Fnc:

that look that they might be nv related

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jeffmeden:

but when its booting its fine, and when i use old drivers its fine

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jeffmeden:

what a pita

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Fnc:

you said the old one works.. but you cant tweak it?

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jeffmeden:

right, the driver doesnt recognize the card

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jeffmeden:

thats probably why it works

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jeffmeden:

lol

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Fnc:

id post on the nv forums...

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jeffmeden:

but that means no nvsettings

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Fnc:

can you install the old drivers and run the tool?

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jeffmeden:

what?

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jeffmeden:

with the old drivers loaded the tool doesnt see anything

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Fnc:

ahh

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Fnc:

tried turning the setting all the way up and down, and see if you get less blue with anything

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jeffmeden:

yeah

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jeffmeden:

ive tried messing with the hue and color balancers and stuff

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jeffmeden:

nothin doin

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Fnc:

hit up the nv forums

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jeffmeden:

will do

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jeffmeden:

i tried #nvidia but that place is asleep

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ShockValue:

fryfrog, you around?

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mikeo:

anyone have the ati hdtv wonder w/ remote?

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ShockValue:

is ther a key to tell me what node/input card im using?

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ShockValue:

one is working, one isnt. but im not sure which is which :)

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disant:

is transcoding supposed to kick in right after the commercial flaggin job is over?

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Apotropaic:

Is there anybody in here thats good with lirc problems? I've got native support for lirc compiled into mythtv (double checked and recompiled, just in case) and although I can get 'irw' to read my remote correctly, mythtv doesn't seem to respond to it. I've also got my ~/.mythtv/lircrc file in place as well. this is for hauppuage 250

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ShockValue:

Apotropaic: im having the exact same problem, except for a plain serial reciever

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Apotropaic:

Hmm.. well I guess I won't got out and get one of those then :)

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Apotropaic:

so irw works for you under the same user that mythfrontend is run but not in mythfrontend?

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disant:

how do I know if my video is transcoded or not?

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ShockValue:

currect.. i can run irw as my myth user and it works fine when i push the buttons.. but nothing happens in myth

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ShockValue:

i keep getting these errors on watching livetv.. cant seem to find a "fix" from the archives or google.. anyone have experience with this:

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ShockValue:

2006-09–17 10:40:13.377 AFD: Opened codec 0x897aaf0, id(AC3) type(Audio)

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ShockValue:

well, they dont really look like errors per-se.. but it just keeps spewing this info forever and livetv never starts

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fuffalo:

i've seen some howto's that tell me to install apache etc, and some that tell me it's not needed anymore by mythtv, which should i do?

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vballrican:

[mpeg2video @ 0x4077aa10]00 motion_type at 13 13

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vballrican:

[mpeg2video @ 0x4077aa10]invalid cbp at 0 14

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vballrican:

is this a memory prob?

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ShockValue:

fuffalo- its needed if you plan to run mythweb

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Pryon:

we *are* the users

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Pryon:

sheesh. Serious brain lag.

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Fenix-Dark:

hi

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Fenix-Dark:

is the tv wonder elite supported?

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vballrican:

dude, go to the website and read...if it's not there, then it's not

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vballrican:

what chipset does it have?

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vballrican:

it might work with the bttv drivers

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Fenix-Dark:

vballrican, checked the wiki, didn't say

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fuffalo_:

m goingthrouh a hoto to setup mythtv, and after instling apache, mysql, and phpmyadmi and going to the phpmyadmin page, it gives me an xml error: GetUnicodeResource(appURI);

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fuffalo_:

anyonehave any idea what that might be?

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JoeyJoeJo:

I'm using mythtv .19, and whenever I scan for new music, even though the directory is full of mp3 files, it finds none

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JoeyJoeJo:

any ideas why?

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fuffalo_:

when i try to run "sudo make" for my ivtv install, i get : make: *** /lib/modules/2.6.15-23–386/build: No such file or directory. Stop.

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fuffalo_:

what did i do wrong

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fuffalo_:

ok got past that...

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fuffalo_:

now i'm getting did you put the firmware in the hotplug firmware directory?

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fuffalo_:

when i try to laod up ivtv

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regicide666:

did you

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fuffalo_:

probably not, i dont know what that means :(

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regicide666:

you need to put the firmware in the hotplug directory

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regicide666:

it may be /lib/hotplug/firmware

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regicide666:

or just /lib/firmware

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regicide666:

it depends on your distro

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fuffalo_:

im on ubuntu, let me look

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regicide666:

check http://ivtvdriver.org/index.php/Firmware

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fuffalo_:

so i need to copy the ivtv folder to /lib/firmware?

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regicide666:

no just the firmware

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regicide666:

check the link I posted it has all the information on the ivtv firmware

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fuffalo_:

k

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fuffalo_:

i'm not sure where it puts the firmware file, i've already installed it tho..

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regicide666:

as far as I know it should be in /lib/firmware or /lib/firmware/hotplug

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regicide666:

check the folders for files that start with the name v4l

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gentoo-user7184:

I am having a problem with the transcode feature on mythtv. When i try to transcode in the job queue it says status: errored (localhost)

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gentoo-user7184:

now i have completed this task outside of the frontend but typing mythtranscode

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gentoo-user7184:

but this can be a pain to do so

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gentoo-user7184:

anyone is here?

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fuffalo_:

this howto tells me to type "sudo apt-get install mythtv" but that doesn't seem to exist/work

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fuffalo_:

is there another name for it now in apt or something?

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siXy:

fuffalo: you need to enable the correct repo

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fuffalo_:

i have all the sources listed in the mythv wiki and on this howto i'm following...

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JoeyJoeJo:

even though I have mythmusic installed, I have no musicmetadata table in my DB.. anyone know why?

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gentoo-user7184:

I am having a problem with the transcode feature on mythtv. When i try to transcode in the job queue it says status: errored (localhost)

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fuffalo_:

i've got the proper sources in my sources.list, but it's still telling me: E: Package mythtv has no installation candidate

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xris:

JoeyJoeJo: did you run the music scan?

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JoeyJoeJo:

yeah, and when I do, nothing shows up in the browser

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JoeyJoeJo:

BTW, I'm running .19

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JoeyJoeJo:

if it makes a difference

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fuffalo_:

what do i add to my sources.list t obeable to use "apt-get install mythtv"

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JoeyJoeJo:

fuffalo: I'm not sure, but if you don't find your answer here, try you're distro's channel too

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fuffalo_:

ok

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fish_:

re

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SharksRule:

hey, now that i got samba... can i actually PUT files on my mythtv and watch it on my tv?

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Anduin:

SharksRule: MythVideo

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SharksRule:

do i just send it to the mythbox then watch it on that?

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SharksRule:

what format does it support

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Anduin:

SharksRule: depends on which player (xine, mplayer, internal, etc)

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SharksRule:

ummm whatever it comes with ;)

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SharksRule:

i just used knoppmyth to install

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SharksRule:

what would be the supported video types

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siXy:

pretty much anything bar wmv

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Anduin:

SharksRule: vob, avi (depends), mpg, you can add more (if the player supports them)

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SharksRule:

cool

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SharksRule:

and i can put it in the folder that all the recorded programs are in?

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SharksRule:

or a diff folder?

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SharksRule:

does it support divx/xvid?

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siXy:

xvid

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siXy:

divx is non-oss

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fuffalo_:

when i try to select a "capture card" in mythtv-setup i dont see any video devies listed, is that normal?

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fuffalo_:

the howto says to select /dev/video0, but i don't see that as an option (and the file doesn't exist)

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in8:

anyone know why after upgrading router and myth to .20, running mythtv-setup and changing the master backend to the new ip mythfrontend still tries the old one (192.168.2.5) as opposed to (192.168.1.134)

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in8:

seems to work if I run the frontend as root

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in8:

though

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Dibblah:

~user/.mythtv/...

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Dibblah:

in8: ...

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in8:

ahhhh....

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in8:

thanks... I'll try that...

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in8:

brb

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Dibblah:

fuffalo: Means you have no analog capture drivers installed, probably.

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fuffalo_:

dribb, what does that mean? ;p

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fuffalo_:

i installed tvtv

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fuffalo_:

err ivtv

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Dibblah:

Dribb? ;)

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Dibblah:

If you have no /dev/video*, then either udev isn't working or installed, or the pvrx50 isn't getting detected.

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in8:

ok that works now.... tks dibblah

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fuffalo_:

dibb, how do i fix this

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fuffalo_:

i've been trying to follow this: http://www.quietglow.com/docs/ubuntumythtv.html

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Dibblah:

And IVTV is definitely loaded?

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fuffalo_:

i think it might not be working properly

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Dibblah:

pastebin dmesg

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in8:

next question.... sorry.... my server (soon to be backend only) will not record when I go into the manage recordings... but live tv works like a dream...

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in8:

is it perms?

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in8:

or db

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Dibblah:

in8: Look at the logs. Is the scheduler actually running?

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Dibblah:

If not, you probably haven't set the MBE to have the correct IP address in mythtv-setup.

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in8:

one sec I'll check ~/.mythtv

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fuffalo_:

ok here it is: http://pastebin.ca/197347 – i see there is a problem with ivtv, i thought i fixed it earlier but i didn't

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fuffalo_:

im not sure how to fix it

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Dibblah:

in8: No, not there. mythtv-setup

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in8:

ok I'll check that too

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Dibblah:

Run on your master backend. ;)

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in8:

.mythtv was set to localhost :(

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Dibblah:

That should be ok, if it's just in the config file.

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fuffalo_:

around like 266 is where the error occurs

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Dibblah:

fuffalo: Fix cx25840 0–0044: unable to open firmware v4l-cx25840.fw

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fuffalo_:

how do i fix it

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in8:

ok ran mythtv-setup as my myth user and it was set to 127.0.0.1

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Dibblah:

fuffalo: Have you skipped bits of your installation instructions?

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in8:

and should I change the ownership of my /myth to said user or just give write perms?

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fuffalo_:

dibb, nope

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Dibblah:

in8: That's not likely to be the problem.

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Dibblah:

You need to set the two IPs to be the same in mythtv-setup for the MBE. Then the scheduler will run on that box.

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Dibblah:

fuffalo: Where did you put the firmware?

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fuffalo_:

Dibblah: i don't really understand where i put it...in the howto it just gives me certain commands to run

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fuffalo_:

the only firmware i download is an executable

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fuffalo_:

and at one point i move it to /usr/src and then run a command on it

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Dibblah:

Okay. What was the output of sudo make install?

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Dibblah:

(pastebin)

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in8:

fuffalo what card are you running?

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in8:

150

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in8:

250

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in8:

350

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fuffalo_:

150

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fuffalo_:

i think i found the problem one sec

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fuffalo_:

make install says: v4l-cx2341x-init-mpeg.bin needs copying to the hotplug firmware .. directory if needed for PVR350 mpeg initialization

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fuffalo_:

ill just post the whole output actually

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fuffalo_:

http://pastebin.ca/197356

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fuffalo_:

i've yet to manually move anything to the hotplug firmware folder

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fuffalo_:

which i assume is my problem...

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fuffalo_:

however i dont know which files to move

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in8:

one sec I have the same card

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fuffalo_:

im just gunna reboot brb

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in8:

the dir is nevermind

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in8:

....

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** Juski checks. this is still #mythtv-users, not #ivtv **

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Juski:

:)

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in8:

heh... ivtv is one of the largest myth hangups though

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Juski:

no it's not

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Juski:

ivtv is ivtv's hangup

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Juski:

I'd safely say that mysql problems would be listed at the top

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in8:

needed for most cards to make myth actually work

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Juski:

we WISH... too many folks still use software encoders

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in8:

really?!?!

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Juski:

oh yeah

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in8:

poor bastards....

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Juski:

yup... muhahahaha

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Juski:

it's pvr350 owners I feel most sorry for, more now than ever before

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in8:

why?

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Juski:

because there's every change pvr350 decoder support will get broken before long & nobody will fix it

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Juski:

s/change/chance

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in8:

almost bought a 350 but had to proove to wife that it'd be worth it settled for 150

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in8:

wife loved it then backend went kaput (box not myth)

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Juski:

good job you didn't get the 350 then

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in8:

so now I'm tasked with getting it back up and running... almost there

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Juski:

all the advantages the pvr350 video output offers are just about all gone now

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in8:

may get an additional 500

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in8:

for extra inputs...

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in8:

pip et all

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Juski:

you might have fun there.. samsung tuners... eew

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Juski:

PiP.. lol

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in8:

should be same as 150 no??

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in8:

onlt 2 tuners

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in8:

err only

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Juski:

apart from newer ones with samsung tuners.. they've been very erm.. problematic

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in8:

ahhh maybe I shold have gone for the 500 first...

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Juski:

rumours abound about the issues being fixed already in ivtv itself.. which AFAICT isn't true – some patching of the kernel is needed at the very least

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in8:

before they f**cked wit em....

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Juski:

only a matter of time before the changes make it into the linux kernels folks will be using, then it'll be a non-issue

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in8:

juski do you know why my backend won't record? live tv is perfect but cannot schedule recordings

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Juski:

in8: no EPG data?

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in8:

I think I set epg to on... one sec I'll check

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Juski:

running mythtv 0.18 and you don't have write permissions on the recordings dir but you do on the ringbuffer dir?

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fuffalo_:

alright, i found the firmware and ut it in /lib/firmware/2.x/

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fuffalo_:

still haven't got it completely working here is my dmesg; http://pastebin.ca/197369

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in8:

running 0.20

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Juski:

in8: livetv does the same thing as scheduled recordings, so if one works so should the other

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in8:

did you rename it to the v4l filenames?

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in8:

weird

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fuffalo_:

around like 263 is where i think the problem is

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Juski:

yup

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Juski:

still not the right filename or in the right place

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in8:

ok what is epg I was thinking eit...... DOH!!

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in8:

try it in just /lib/firmware

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in8:

ditch the 2.0

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in8:

2.x

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in8:

juski possible mysql probs?

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Juski:

in8: you need to specify a video source in mythtv-setup... which is how you assign video card inputs electronic program guide data sources. video source == EPG data source. it should be renamed

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Juski:

video != EPG ffs

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in8:

I'll just redo the mythtv-setup again... back in a min

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Juski:

stop mythbackend in the meantime...

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Juski:

morning Merlin83b2

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in8:

ok backend is giving me "mythconverg.recordmatch" doesn't exist

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in8:

:) found reason

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in8:

anyone know how I may fix this?

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prozac:

anyone know how to get channels above 13 to tune in using a pvr-350 with coax cable screwed directly in without a cable box?

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in8:

mysql < mc.sql??

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mikeo:

will the ati hdtv wonder work with mythtv?

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in8:

you have it set to bcast

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in8:

you need us-cable

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in8:

in nythtv-setup

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in8:

myth

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mikeo:

and does mythtv support hdtv resolutions?

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Anduin:

prozac: Use the right frequency table

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prozac:

lemme give that a shot

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Anduin:

in8: all the tables are created in the code (mc.sql only creates the database and sets some basic permissions)

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Juski:

in8: did you upgrade & not run mythtv-setup afterwards?

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Juski:

mythtv-setup would've barfed if there was no database

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fuffalo_:

when im in mythtv-setup and i'm setting up my directdata account, how d i know if it's working or not? will i get some sort of visual indication?

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in8:

I've run mythtv-setup several timea

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Juski:

mikeo: linux supports hd resolutions... under X. nothing to do with mythtv

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in8:

alt-tab to the console you ran mythtv-setup from

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Anduin:

in8: run mysqlcheck to make sure the table isn't just down

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fuffalo_:

i keep getting 401 unauthorized, but im using the correct login/pasword

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Juski:

fuffalo_: does the username & password work on the datadirect site outside of mythtv?

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fuffalo_:

i had a misspelling in my username, got it

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Juski:

amazing

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prozac:

thanks guys

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prozac:

us-cable fixed my issue

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in8:

well mysqlcheck -u root -p -A doesn't even show a mythconverg

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Juski:

mythtv-setup would have spewed out plenty of errors if mythconverg didn't exist, believe me

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in8:

no prob prozac.. I toiled with the same prob for 2 days on my first install

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in8:

hehe... I'm really confused..... I only get the one error re: mythconverg.recordmatch

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Juski:

wheeeee.. linuxworld expo 2006 is just 14 days away now

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Juski:

in8: I'd be tempted to blast the database & start over

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Juski:

if you don't have any recordings to keep etc... just whack it

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in8:

I run mepis should I just complete remove mysql and re-inst?

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Juski:

no need to remove mysql

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in8:

just rm /var/lib/mysql/mythconverg?

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Juski:

no do it properly

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Juski:

mysql -u root -p

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Juski:

then

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Juski:

drop database mythconverg;

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in8:

ahhh ok.... I'll try brb... 30 sec

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Juski:

exit then import the mc.sql file, then run mytthv-setup.. ALL of this without mythbackend running or any frontends

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Juski:

"an OS for the 21st century".. how.. trite :-|

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in8:

weird all reset but my video sources name still there

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in8:

well it is a prety darn solid debian, well setup

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fuffalo_:

when i try to start mythtv backend i get: Starting MythTV server: mythbackendSession management error: Authentication Rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed

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in8:

is mysql running?

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Juski:

fuffalo_: pretty normal

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fuffalo_:

in8, as far as i know

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Juski:

you'll find that mythbackend will still work

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Merlin83b2:

Morning Juski :)

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Juski:

when you're getting stuff working I find it best to run mythbackend in a shell, not as a daemon.. just til I know it all works

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Juski:

Merlin83b2: how's your ickle epia system? bearing up still?

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Merlin83b2:

All wonderful apart from one thing. BFSQ makes playback pause for just a moment annoyingly often.

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Merlin83b2:

If I had some spare time I'd work on that.

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Juski:

BFSQ ?

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Merlin83b2:

Big F Scheduler Query

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Juski:

ah

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Juski:

it's evil, that query

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in8:

juski: ok sweet... scheduling is working...

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in8:

THANK-YOU!!!!!

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in8:

THANK-YOU!!!!!

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Merlin83b2:

Certainly is. I've had a few ideas on it, nothing major. Split it up with limits would be the simplest.

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** Juski takes a bow **

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Juski:

not feeling particularly modest today

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Merlin83b2:

:)

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Juski:

wonder where the F my CPC order is. I need my retractable keyfob dangly thingy

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in8:

sweet live tv on remote front works too!!

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Merlin83b:

Heh, we all have those retracty doodahs at work.

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in8:

that was final prob...

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Merlin83b:

I don't use mine – I just put the access card in my back pocket :)

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Juski:

heh. every time I get up to go into the lab I need to pull my keys out of my pocket

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fuffalo_:

i just tried to test it out by running the frontend, and when i went to "watch tv" my screen went black and i couldn't do anything

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Juski:

you mean X crashed?

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fuffalo_:

i dunno, my screen went black and the computer wouldn't respond to anything, so i had to power off/on

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Juski:

are you using xgl/compiz?

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fuffalo_:

i have no idea

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Juski:

though I suspect if you don't know, you ain't

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Juski:

install the proper drivers for your vga card

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Juski:

and if you've not tested 1) video playback outside of mythtv or 2) the tuner hardware outside of mythtv I _strongly_ suggest you do so ASAP

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fuffalo_:

how do i test it outside of mythtv

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Juski:

depends. for (CRAPPY) software encoder cards use tvtime to test the tvtuner. for ivtv cards, read the ivtv documentation. for dvb & HDTV tuner cards use the dvb-apps

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Juski:

and see if there's an entry in the official mythtv wiki for your distro

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Juski:

if using knoppmyth, try the knoppmyth wiki (but remember to sign up first)

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fuffalo:

i've got a geforce 5200 card that has svideo out, the svideo out kicks in when my computer is booting, but right when it gets to the login screen my tv goes black and I can't see anything – what do i have setup wrong

[09:02:49]

in8:

xorg.conf needs tinkering

[09:03:38]

in8:

goes blank as gui comes up?

[09:04:58]

fuffalo:

yea

[09:05:20]

fuffalo:

like the video ouputs fine during bios/boot, but then once the sound of the login screen coems on, the video is blank

[09:05:24]

in8:

google "nvidia dualhead"

[09:05:26]

fuffalo:

like right when X starts up it seems

[09:05:28]

fuffalo:

ok

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in8:

or even twinview if you prefer

[09:06:17]

fuffalo:

isn't this for running on two screens?

[09:06:18]

in8:

I like having a seperate desktop (dual head)

[09:06:25]

in8:

yes

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fuffalo:

that's not what im trying to do

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in8:

can be a tv too...

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fuffalo:

i just need it on one screen

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fuffalo:

i just need any output to work from my desktop to the tv ;p

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in8:

just make sure the timings are right lest you pop you tv....

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in8:

fuffalo try this xorg http://pastebin.com/804470

[09:14:46]

in8:

it'll get you started dual head....

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in8:

if you want xinerama or twin view you're on your own

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in8:

whoops...

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kavorka^:

damm got dc

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orogor:

hi again

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mykeul:

again orogor

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mykeul:

I used a modified playlist.m3u on my own http server

[09:54:39]

mykeul:

Here is a sample :

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mykeul:

#EXTINF:0,2 – France 2

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mykeul:

#EXTMYTHTV:xmltvid=C2.telepoche.com

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mykeul:

rtsp://mafreebox.freebox.fr/freeboxtv/201

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mykeul:

Warning: The EXTMYTHTV is handled only when importing new channels

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mykeul:

If you re-scan to update existing channels, the xmltvid will not be changed

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Dagmar:

Hilarious, and of note to coders: http://www.bluetwanger.de/blog/2006/10/05/thi . . . ever-happen/

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Dagmar:

I loev Google's new Code Search tool

[10:00:54]

orogor:

humm

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Dagmar:

I get the feeling reports to Full Disclosure are going to be up this weekend

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orogor:

anyone knows what s the name for the menu fading option ?

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orogor:

ia m conected via remote desktop and it amke the connection very slow

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ivor:

orogor: opengl painter, switch to qt painter.

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Dibblah:

Something in Myth _really_ dislikes out-of-order packets :)

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orogor:

humm

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fryfrog:

firewire?

[10:55:12]

fryfrog:

My backend locked up last night with TONS of "firewire packet out of order" type error messages

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orogor:

hmumm+

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orogor:

thanks now i got a normal speed again

[10:56:37]

orogor:

before it was really hogging the wole connection

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fryfrog:

the pvr500 card looks totally awsome :)

[10:57:33]

orogor:

:)

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orogor:

i d prefer that hybrid card with analog , dvbt dvbs

[10:58:05]

orogor:

plus it s not _that_ expensive

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frtdx:

hi.. i want to know about getting dishtv on a dvb-s card .. is it possible to use the same dish and getting channels on 2 cards?

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orogor:

i think so

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orogor:

we got 600 persons using the same 3 dishes in our residence

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frtdx:

they do charge extra for a second connection .. but i guess u can use the same pin number for both cards and get different channels without paying double?

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frtdx:

orogor .. r u frm sweden ?

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orogor:

fr

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frtdx:

ok

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frtdx:

is it technically possible to use the same pin number on multiple cards ?

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orogor:

no idea

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frtdx:

u have to use a phone line for ur connection ?

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orogor:

technically nothing will explode when you ll plugg the second card, that s what i meant by possible

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orogor:

as for pying stuff i have no idea

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orogor:

i dont have dvb-s or dvb-t

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orogor:

i got the tv via internet and an analog card

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frtdx:

so how many free channels do u get?

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frtdx:

one thing good abt dvb is u dont have to re-encode it .. IMO .. so no dropped frames .. or audio sync problem

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orogor:

200–300

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frtdx:

coz its digital anyway

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Dibblah:

No, I mean out-of-order network packets.

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orogor:

mykeul, could i ask you your modified playlist ?

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orogor:

i think it s the most simple solution

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Juski:

join #mythtv-lusers

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orogor:

Oo

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Juski:

damn power cuts

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Hoxzer:

:/

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Juski:

so.. seems we now can't trust WD or seagate because of their buggy crappy hardware. who ever heard of a HDD not initialise itself properly at random intervals on a power cycle?

[11:29:37]

Merlin83b:

Heh.

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Juski:

not me, til I saw my email this morning

[11:31:01]

Juski:

anyway... on a mytthv related note.. I need a UPS.. anyone recommend a smallish one to safely bring my mythtv backend down on a power cut?

[11:31:34]

Juski:

all I need is a clean shutdown so I don't have to fsck on coming back up

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Merlin83b:

The only ones I've used are giant datacentre ones that are designed to provide power until the generatros kick in.

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Juski:

bleh

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Merlin83b:

So no ones under the size of a room, sorry.

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Juski:

lol

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Juski:

nevermind anyway.. microdirect don't have any in stock

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Juski:

oo Aria have one for less than £50... 850VA for 5 mins

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Juski:

that'd do

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mykeul:

orogor, I put it here : http://mickael.remars.free.fr/myplaylist.m3u

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Merlin83b:

850VA sounds a bit low for 5 minutes, but I don't know what your backend is, exactly :)

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Juski:

less than 850VA

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Juski:

more like 120

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Merlin83b:

Ah, then fair enough. More like 7 minutes! Woo!

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Juski:

long enough for a clean shutdown – and that's all I want

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orogor:

are we suuposed to have both a mythtv-setup and a mythsetup apps ?

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orogor:

i am wondering if it s not an old file laying around

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orogor:

... deleted

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Juski:

mythsetup? oof not for a very long time...

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Juski:

bloody hell... more stuff in my logs about non existent files not being able to be deleted

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Juski:

might be a conflict between autoexpire & someone deleting the files

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Juski:

yup – the file doesn't actually exist, so it must've been deleted already.. so wtf is mythbackend trying to expire files that have been deleted & no longer exist in the recorded table?

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fryfrog:

Juski: doesn't it auto-fix the db? Does myth.rebuild.pl show any oddities?

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Juski:

this keeps happening once in a blue moon – a recording gets deleted by my wife rather than letting it autoexpire

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Juski:

then when the time to expire the show comes, it fails

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fryfrog:

Juski: just make sure you setup nut :)

[12:16:02]

Juski:

the db is fine

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fryfrog:

Juski: i mean, when it tries to expire and doesn't find the file... it simply removes the entry from the db, right? IE, it doesn't actually matter in the long run?

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Juski:

no it's saying the file doesn't exist

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Juski:

and no it doesn't remove the entry from the db

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Juski:

if it did I wouldn't get days & days of 'File /video/videorec/1000_20060928193000.mpg does not exist for chanid 1000 at Thu Sep 28 19:30:00 2006 when trying to delete recording' in my logs

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fryfrog:

ah, its the *same* file over and over :/

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fryfrog:

weird

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fryfrog:

touch that file?

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fryfrog:

let it get its jollys off deleting an empty file? :)

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Juski:

I know how to fix it

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fryfrog:

ah

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fryfrog:

just want to know *why*

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Juski:

it just keeps happening from time to time & I need to know why

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Dibblah:

DVB or analog?

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Juski:

I might hang on til I upgrade to 0.20, then if it still happens I'll file a bug for it

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Dibblah:

It's not an expiry bug as such. Either the file has been removed, or it didn't get created for the original recording.

[12:22:13]

Dibblah:

I remember something for this going in just before .20...

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Juski:

yeh well maybe mythtv is getting taste in its old age

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fryfrog:

hehe

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Juski:

wifey complained Eastenders didn't record the other night either

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Dibblah:

Pretty sure that's something else that came in with .20 – Recording history.

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Dibblah:

ie an answer to the "why" question... :)

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Juski:

ahh well.. not to worry.. just a little bit annoying

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Dibblah:

What's to lose with an upgrade, anyway? ;)

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fryfrog:

The only thing I really hate right now is that my firewire STBs change "nodes" every time I reboot my frontend, unplug them from firewire or powercycle them

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Juski:

what's to lose with an upgrade? eesh man... uptime...

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Dibblah:

fryfrog: Tried all of the firewire test type utils in contrib / ML?

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Juski:

once I find out how to get x11vnc in ubuntu to run on a different port I'm moving over

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Dibblah:

Heh. Still not off Gentoo yet?

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fryfrog:

Dibblah: what do you mean?

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Dibblah:

In contrib, there's a test app. Which AFAIR allows you to also reset the box.

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fryfrog:

oh, let me look

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Dibblah:

Not that I have the joys of firewire here :(

[12:31:34]

fryfrog:

i re-wrote a channel changing script and posted it to the wiki

[12:31:46]

fryfrog:

and added my specific model of DCT6412 to the 6200ch channel changer

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Dibblah:

The Sky HD box has a firewire port... But it's "reserved for future expansion" :(

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Juski:

that, and I like to run VNC on a weird port

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Juski:

reserved for 5C enabled HDD boxen

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quicksilver:

5C?

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Juski:

I saw $ky HD on Friday. Looked ok apart from the macroblocks

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stuarta:

maybe that should be 5c crippled boxen

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stuarta:

quicksilver: DRM crap

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fryfrog:

ahh, neat i see!

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fryfrog:

I wonder if my boxes work better with broadcast or p2p and wtf is that? :p

[12:34:02]

Juski:

5C encripplement

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stuarta:

oh and afternoon all

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Juski:

or is it more like $0.05 ?

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Juski:

afternoon stuarta

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quicksilver:

stuarta: ah

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Juski:

p2p? that wouldn't be direct firewire -> limewire would it? :-P

[12:40:12]

Juski:

are belkin UPS any good?

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fryfrog:

Juski: I dunno, the wikipedia article implies that "p2p" means it is device to device communication (ie, not requiring a computer)

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fryfrog:

Juski: I have a 1000VA Belkin UPS, it does nicely

[12:40:33]

Juski:

just for keeping a box up long enough to shut it down, I mean...

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fryfrog:

Juski: and the latest version of NUT seems to support it

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Juski:

ahhh

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fryfrog:

That said, I never finished configuring NUT :)

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Juski:

don't need 1000VA though

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fryfrog:

I'd take a look at the nutd page and pick one that is well supported

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fryfrog:

I think APC is the one that has best support, via nut and... apcd?

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fryfrog:

I've not had a power outage long enough to drain the UPS so far, and I got a bit fed up with configuring nut. :)

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orogor:

mykeul, i still got an empty epg

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Juski:

if push came to shove I'm sure I could write something to handle a safe shutdown

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fryfrog:

nut can do all that too

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fryfrog:

and apc-something, i forget its name

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fryfrog:

actually, nut is a bit more powrful

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fryfrog:

you can tell it what *other* computers are on the UPS too

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orogor:

i removed al the cards and data sources and stuff, then made again everything , using youir m3u , checked taht it did contain the xmlid, checked mytht had the id, imported and checked the graber got the programms

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Juski:

all I want is 'uh-oh.. ups says the power is out... time to shutdown"

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orogor:

.... and the epg guide is still empty

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fryfrog:

and if you run nut monitor on *them*, they will shut down too

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Juski:

don't need that, fryfrog

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Juski:

frontend has a readonly FS

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Juski:

and my windows box.. I don't give a flying f... if that lives or dies

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fryfrog:

hehe

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stuarta:

Merlin83b: re: BFSQ. some changes went in last night to help it be nicer.

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Merlin83b:

Oh yeah? Happen to have a changeset number to hand?

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mykeul:

orogor, ah...

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Merlin83b:

11503?

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stuarta:

yup

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stuarta:

dunno if it helps your situation, but can't hurt to try.

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Merlin83b:

Sure. If my sodding IP address hadn't updated yet again I'd get it compiling now.

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mykeul:

... so it seems that it is not related to the Freebox recorder

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orogor:

note that i could as well drop the db and make it again

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stuarta:

if my ADSL link hadn't shit itself i'd have it compiling now :)

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Merlin83b:

That also may have happened. In either case, I can't log in right now :(

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stuarta:

sadly i have the same problem.

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** Merlin83b considers calling the girlfriend... **

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Juski:

Merlin83b: had a power cut at home with the thunderstorm.. so the box might not even be awake.. had to get mrs J to unplug the machine then plug it back in

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fryfrog:

Merlin83b: dyndns :)

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Merlin83b:

Currently at home writing up PhD...

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Juski:

box's BIOS is set to come back up after a powerout but the PSU needed reset

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Merlin83b:

fryfrog: Don't get me started. I have accounts with dyndns.org and changeip.com and neither seems to work. My router's supposed to run the dyndns.org one but refuses to do so.

[12:52:34]

Juski:

I have a no-ip.org.. works really well :)

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** stuarta has static ip **

[12:53:05]

Juski:

my IP hasn't changed for ages

[12:53:32]

Merlin83b:

I may try them out, Juski. No idea why the changeip.com one isn't updating, it's done from a simple cron task.

[12:54:14]

stuarta:

it's teasing me. my server is half responding, but the connection isn't coming up

[12:54:21]

stuarta:

stupid router

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** stuarta goes looking for a new router **

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** Merlin83b tails an access_log and sends an sms to Kes :) **

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Juski:

Kes ?

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fryfrog:

I use dyndns.org's custom dns, the only thing I dislike is that my linksys router with sveasoft firmware can only update 2 or 3 domains

[12:56:34]

Merlin83b:

On another note, any idea why I can see my mythtv box as a UPnP thing but can't see any of the recordings on it?

[12:56:43]

Merlin83b:

Kes is my girlfriend :)

[12:56:48]

Merlin83b:

Not the kestrel.

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Juski:

Merlin83b: dunno if that bit works yet

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Juski:

lol

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Juski:

"oi loov yow Kes!"

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Juski:

ahem..

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Merlin83b:

Heh, she is from Sheffield...

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Juski:

what I meant to say was.. that's a quite unusual name

[12:58:09]

Juski:

... said the guy with the weirdest irc nick...

[12:59:05]

Merlin83b:

It's a shortening, albeit of her longer also unusual name.

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Juski:

my $ky plu$ owning mate was bragging about being able to send a text to set it to record. that needs to be addressed with mythtv I think.. should be easy if I find an SMS to email gateway

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Juski:

e.g. "BBC ONE record 13-10–06 20:00 20:30" :)

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dorel__:

:)

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ivor:

hmm, if I'm anywhere I want something recording I'll have web access.

[13:11:53]

Juski:

not everywhere has web access, and my phone SUCKS

[13:12:13]

Juski:

plus I hate to think how bad mythweb is on a slow connection

[13:12:33]

ivor:

sure, but if usually the thing that triggers me wanting to record something will be browsing a web page or reading an email. i.e. I'm usually at a computer.

[13:13:02]

Juski:

sometimes I'll be sitting somewhere reading a paper.. like the Tv section of the newspaper...

[13:13:17]

ivor:

fair enough.

[13:13:18]

Juski:

I tend to miss programme trails these days

[13:13:44]

ivor:

yeah I just get my viewing recommendations from ntk and popbitch. :)

[13:14:01]

Juski:

popbitch is still going?

[13:14:14]

ivor:

oh indeed. libellous as ever.

[13:14:18]

Juski:

holymoly is my fave now

[13:14:28]

Juski:

makes popbitch look like the pussy it is

[13:14:31]

stuarta:

in the sun?

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Merlin83b:

Mythweb is fine on GPRS if you use the right skin

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Juski:

www.holymoly.com (not work safe)

[13:14:50]

ivor:

lol

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Juski:

the C***s corner section... :)

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AndyCap:

didn't someone make a wap version

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AndyCap:

Juski: ah, there you go: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/2494

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Juski:

I'm on PAYG.. I'm one of those people who don't really believe in mobile phones

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Juski:

texting will do.. WAP is like £££££££££££&po und; a minute

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Merlin83b:

Juski: We have a paid SMS gateway at work...

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Juski:

I spend less than £30 a quarter on calls & texts

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Juski:

more money left for beer n stuff :)

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stuarta:

mmm beer. Is it beer o'clock yet?

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Merlin83b:

Heh, not quite yet.

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Merlin83b:

Kes hit the site I was looking at (I asked her to) so I'm in and compiling now :)

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Juski:

70 mins to go til I can leave the prison they call work :)

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** stuarta remembers he has no beer :( **

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stuarta:

drank it last night...

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Merlin83b:

Pubs have beer, stuarta.

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stuarta:

but no myth. can't code, watch tv & drink beer in a pub....

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AndyCap:

Juski: you really should get WAP on gprs so you pay pr byte. :)

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AndyCap:

not pr minute

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Juski:

I dunno where folks get the idea drinking in London is expensive. last weekend I was spending less than I do on a Mancs night out

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stuarta:

soho...

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** Juski feigns ignorance.. (wtf is GPRS?) **

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** stuarta tries to pull Juski's head out of the sand **

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Juski:

heh. don't have anything I don't _need_ ;-)

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stuarta:

has anyone actually seen an emu with it's head in the sand????

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Juski:

head in the soil.. when rod hull fell off his roof, maybe

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fryfrog:

well, i switched to "broadcast" instead of "p2p" for firewire

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fryfrog:

hope it helps :)

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seth|laptop:

hey, ghost hunters marathon on scifi today. For those os you who need to set up your pvr's, hehe.

[13:43:21]

** seth|laptop thanks mythtv for mythweb, whew! **

[13:43:49]

Juski:

just contact your spirit guide to set it for you. sheesh man

[13:44:08]

Juski:

sam? are you there yet sam? SAM?!

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Merlin83b:

You mean you don't have mythpsychic installed, seth|laptop?

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seth|laptop:

hehe, I wish

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seth|laptop:

j/k

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Merlin83b:

:)

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Juski:

hmmm.. looking at my 'export dvb radio recordings to mp3' script i can't remember how it works..

[13:51:22]

fryfrog:

i bet it uses lame!

[13:51:29]

Juski:

nah

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stuarta:

hehe. been meaning to get around to that.

[13:51:55]

Juski:

oh I thought I was the one sposed to do the stuff you suggested

[13:52:06]

stuarta:

yeah, if possible.

[13:52:25]

stuarta:

otherwise i'll have to hack it myself.

[13:52:57]

Juski:

tbh I dunno if the criticism about the bitrate choice is fair. I doubt the mp2 bitrate would ever be under the target bitrate

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stuarta:

well the test recordings I did were all 64kb from memory

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Juski:

really?

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stuarta:

yeah, bbc world service

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Juski:

ah yeah

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Juski:

won't be that much work I don't think

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stuarta:

nope, just a bit of parsing of ffmpeg output.

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Juski:

that's the bloody catch

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Juski:

how often do they change the output text?

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Juski:

god my regex's are scary

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stuarta:

guess the better question is, how many stations broadcast at a higher bitrate than you want?

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stuarta:

some stuff off bbc r2 was also 64kb/s

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Juski:

hmm maybe just use the source bitrate by default then

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stuarta:

yeah that's my thinking.

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Juski:

hang on though.. 64kbit mp3 is gonna be shitty

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stuarta:

then you can just do ffmpeg -i infile.mpg outfile.mp3

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fryfrog:

I'm trying to change the pre/post start time using mythweb, is that option called "DefaultEndOffset"?

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Juski:

most stuff is 192 or 256kbits

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fryfrog:

DefaultStartOffset

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fryfrog:

?

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stuarta:

but upconverting 64kb to something higher won't add any info to improve quality

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Juski:

stuarta: yeah I know that

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Juski:

just I thought it was all a lot better than 64kbit

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stuarta:

would have though so too

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Juski:

it sounds better n' that

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Juski:

sounds better than DAB that's for sure.. not even DAB has a bitrate that low expect for the mono channels

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stuarta:

wonder what bbc r1 uses...

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Juski:

could ffmpeg be lying?

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Juski:

bbc r1 on DAB is 128k. on freeview it's reckoned to be 256k

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stuarta:

time for a test recording. (sadly i can't do one atm)

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fryfrog:

2006-10–11 10:00:22.672 TFW, Error: Write() — IOBOUND begin cnt(9400) free(2455)

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fryfrog:

anyone ever see errors like that?

[14:00:56]

Juski:

http://www.digitalradiotech.co.uk/dab/digital . . . it_rates.htm

[14:00:57]

fryfrog:

a search of google yeilds a ticket on mythology site that doesn't seem to exist

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Paladine:

looks like a hard drive error

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stuarta:

your system is i/o bound

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fryfrog:

its coming from a backend writing to an NFS mount that can sustain ~50mb/sec over 1000mbit

[14:02:26]

fryfrog:

so it *can't* be a hard drive error (at least on that backend)

[14:02:37]

fryfrog:

and it *shouldn't* (but still could, of course) be a network error :(

[14:02:40]

Paladine:

of courseit can

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stuarta:

check your timesync

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fryfrog:

time sync?

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stuarta:

things sometimes get upset if the two machines disagree on the current time

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fryfrog:

ah

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stuarta:

ntp is your friend

[14:03:47]

fryfrog:

they are spot on

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fryfrog:

both running ntpd

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fryfrog:

well, spot on w/in the few seconds it takes me to flip between screens and type date

[14:04:24]

fryfrog:

neither was off by enough to be countable :)

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Paladine:

//www.mail-archive.com/mythtv-dev@mythtv.org/msg09365.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.mail-archive.com/mythtv-dev@mythtv.org/msg09365.html

[14:05:50]

Paladine:

read that fry

[14:06:00]

Paladine:

http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=Er . . . ch&meta=

[14:06:07]

Paladine:

then check that search result for more info

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** Juski wonders how much P&P to charge for these case badges **

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Paladine:

30p

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Juski:

so that's the postage...

[14:08:09]

Juski:

how much are envelopes these days?

[14:08:11]

Paladine:

4p for an envelope :p

[14:08:19]

Paladine:

if that

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Juski:

call it 50p for up to 5 badges

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netrix:

does anyone know how tell the tuner type of a pvr 500 cards by inspecting the card visually?

[14:08:40]

Juski:

£1 per badge...

[14:08:47]

Paladine:

so long as the badges are not made of lead ;)

[14:08:56]

Juski:

netrix: peel the sticky off the tuner can

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Paladine:

bbl

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fryfrog:

okay, so the first one suggests upping the buffer, i'll try that

[14:09:45]

netrix:

Juski: okay, hoped i wouldn't have to.

[14:10:10]

Juski:

netrix: tried googly?

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netrix:

Juski: yeah ... i think my tuner is being detected incorrectly but everything i read says autodetection should work with 0.4.7

[14:11:56]

Juski:

looking at pictures would only prolly determine the manufacturer anyway – not the model no.

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seth|laptop:

case badges?

[14:13:16]

Juski:

hmmm need to factor in ebay/paypal fees

[14:13:21]

Juski:

sssh

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** seth|laptop missed something? **

[14:13:40]

Juski:

yeah I'll be selling case badges at (not very much at all) profit

[14:13:53]

seth|laptop:

what do they say, Mythtv ?

[14:13:59]

Juski:

erm...

[14:14:20]

Juski:

http://www.mythtvtalk.com/ProjectGrayhem/newcasebadge1.png (IIRC)

[14:14:52]

Juski:

whoops.. stupid ass always making the wrong linky first time

[14:14:54]

Juski:

http://www.juski.co.uk/newcasebadge1.png

[14:15:30]

Juski:

note I'm _not_ advertising yet, nor would I dream of advertising here

[14:16:19]

seth|laptop:

well let me know when you're ready, I'll take 4.

[14:16:25]

seth|laptop:

very nicce

[14:16:30]

seth|laptop:

s/nicce/nice

[14:18:25]

netrix:

what should my channel freq. table be set to for canada? i imagine it's us-cable, us-cable-hrc, or us-cable-irc. any idea?

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Beakster:

hi

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Beakster:

got a strange problem on my mythtv box, when i try to access it over the network while its recording, i loose the network connection

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Pryon:

Cry havoc, and loose the network!

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ivor:

Juski: so if you're not advertising... how do we place our orders? :)

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** netrix goes to peel the stickers off his cans. **

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seth|laptop:

good question

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seth|laptop:

ivor

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Beakster:

emm

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Beakster:

.

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stuarta:

Juski: alternatively, make it a flat fee of Â£5 for up to x badges

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ivor:

do we get different colours for front and backend?

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seth|laptop:

ack, .20svn-fixes just hosed my laptop. now mythfrontend wont start!!

[14:32:34]

fryfrog:

anyone know if it is possible to change disk schedulers w/o rebooting?

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fryfrog:

I was hoping for a /proc entry, but i can't find it

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GreyFoxx:

Sweet!

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stuarta:

yeah, there is a proc entry....

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GreyFoxx:

took an hour but I have the myth upnp stuff serving up mythvideo stuff as well

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Merlin83b:

Yay, what did you have to do, GreyFoxx?

[14:35:31]

Merlin83b:

I tried to play with that the other day – the player saw the server but no content.

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seth|laptop:

code: SIP listening on IP Adress blah blah SIP: Cannot register; proxy, username or password not set Segmentation Fault

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seth|laptop:

:-(

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GreyFoxx:

Merlin83b: I currently it supports Music from mythmusic and recordings, I just added code to support Videos

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Merlin83b:

Oh, code :)

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GreyFoxx:

which I have tied to themythvideo database

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GreyFoxx:

yeah :)

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Merlin83b:

So not supporting recordings yet?

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GreyFoxx:

It does for me

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GreyFoxx:

I didn't do anything to make that work

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GreyFoxx:

It just worked

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Merlin83b:

Well I had a fairly old checkout. Currently building newness :)

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GreyFoxx:

fscking A....... this makes me happy

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stuarta:

Merlin83b: you may have a upnp devices that talks a dialect that myth doesn't yet understand

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GreyFoxx:

Though it will be much more efficient with 1 small change to mythvideo ti include the filesize in the videometadata database

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Merlin83b:

Oh, damn

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GreyFoxx:

right now I'm doing getting the filesize from the filesystem

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GreyFoxx:

if I get it from the DB as well it would be better

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Merlin83b:

I'm using http://www.conduits.com/products/player/ stuarta.

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GreyFoxx:

I'm using djmount for test4ing

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GreyFoxx:

but I have a dlink dsm 320 next to me which I'll be trying later today

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GreyFoxx:

Sweet! This was quite easy

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GreyFoxx:

though to be honest I ripped 99% of it from the existing code

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stuarta:

Merlin83b: you have any content in the formats that device supports?

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GreyFoxx:

A little cleanup, and addin support for grabbing coverfiles and ti would be quite useful

[14:40:04]

GreyFoxx:

Though the coverfile stuff is for later :)

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Merlin83b:

stuarta: It's quite possible I have no idea :)

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robert83a1:

hello, is there some sorta utility that I can use to scan for channels other then the mythtv built in, it seems it's not detecting a few channels for me, probably cause the transmission from the cable company is weak or something. ivtv-tune I used but going trough those Mhz by hand takes a lot of time, is there some sorta other tool I could use to scan the channels myself and probably finetune em so I can see how to set those kHz-s

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Merlin83b:

stuarta: I was giving the UPnP just works paradigm a go. It didn't go.

[14:42:11]

stuarta:

Merlin83b: the formats listed don't look like any formats myth produces.

[14:42:47]

GreyFoxx:

Merlin83b: For my use I'm just using djmount to "mount" upnp devices

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stuarta:

robert83a1: out of interest, what version you using and where are you based?

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GreyFoxx:

it does a multicast to find them and I navigate like a filesystem

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robert83a1:

stuarta : I'm using latest atrpms version 0.20 , and I'm in Serbia and Montenegro

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robert83a1:

using a PAL PVR 150 Hauppauge card

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robert83a1:

PAL-BG is the format I've selected and yet some channels like C-05 are not found... all other channelrs SR S work, I'm missing the hungarian channels

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Merlin83b:

Good point, stuarta.

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stuarta:

robert83a1: this digital or analogue ?

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fryfrog:

okay, i found *one* suggestion to change to "tcp" for nfs over gige :/

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robert83a1:

I'm connected via the tuner interface, it comes via cable, so it's analogue

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robert83a1:

I'm trying to find some sorta software that could be used to scan frequencies , I know approx that 591Mhz is RTL KLUB

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robert83a1:

but if I do a ivtv -f 591 , all I get is static

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robert83a1:

whereas on my tv it works perfectly, I guess the 591.xxx is failing here , I checked the values for other channels that mythtv detected in the kHz format...

[14:48:29]

robert83a1:

anyone know where I could get the ptune-ui.pl for Fedora Core 5, it's just a simple perl script, is it downloadable somewhere?

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robert83a1:

guys, also how can I change ivtv-tune region from us-cable to europe-west? I tried google I tried text, but I couldn't get the right name

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Beakster:

anyone know how long transcoding 30 mins of video should take on an athlon 800?

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aevil:

Beakster, depends on the amount of data and the format

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fryfrog:

Paladine: I think I fixed it simply by adding tcp to nfs opts :)

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Juski:

ivor: no you don't get different colours.. custom badges would be extra

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ivor:

bah

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Juski:

cost to me is the same.. only trouble is having to stock 2 kinds

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Juski:

and saying "this is made on demand so may take a little longer" isn't enough to keep customers happy

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Beakster:

aevil: low quality from an old analoge hauupauge card,

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Beakster:

to mpeg4

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Beakster:

30 mins of video recorded by mythtv

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Fnc-1:

heh i tried to archive a show today... like 3 gig... and it ended up 300mb with no audio

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Juski:

nice

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ivor:

well done

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Juski:

bastard. have to go food shopping tonight

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ivor:

No.37, No.72, No.56 & No.14 ?

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Juski:

heheh

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ivor:

ooh although perhaps 71, chicken satay tonight.

[15:09:38]

Juski:

is there an ISO standard for chinese food numbering?

[15:10:06]

Fnc-1:

GreyFoxx: you around... check your msg... got something fun, you might like, but not myth related

[15:10:31]

Juski:

that'd be cool, so you'd always know what your number is at the takeaway no matter where you are ...

[15:10:39]

GreyFoxx:

Fnc-1: I didn't getting any message

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GreyFoxx:

are you registered ?

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Juski:

right.. time for homeski

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Fnc-1:

hmm maybe not

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fryfrog:

Damn, I *still* get IOBOUND errors :/

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Juski:

ttfn. don't wait up

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Fnc-1:

thought i was

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seth|laptop:

damnable dishnetwork I just recorded 3 hrs of "press select to continue"

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GreyFoxx:

doh

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Fnc-1:

how do i register?

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GreyFoxx:

heh

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GreyFoxx:

Fnc-1: /msg nickserv help

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** seth|laptop smacks self with tack-hammer, works on irsend cron job **

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GreyFoxx:

Or you can email me hehe

[15:14:52]

GreyFoxx:

Woop. Had to fix a few things but now I'm watching one of my mythvideo videos via myths upnp support

[15:15:33]

netrix:

i put two pvr500's and when i go to watch tv i always goes to Tuner 1. when i press 'c' it stays on tuner 1. anyone know what i am doing wrong?

[15:15:50]

fryfrog:

Okay, this is odd. I am writing a 500mb file with dd from my nfs *client* mount to the server, on the *server* the file size is *not* constantly changing. it stays the same for a few sec

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ivor:

flush

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fryfrog:

and ends up doing 8mb/sec :/

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ivor:

flush

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fryfrog:

thats not very good for 1000mbit

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Merlin83b:

It is about right for 100mbps though...

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fryfrog:

yeah :(

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ivor:

use iperf and check your net links.

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fryfrog:

ok

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fryfrog:

do i need to run it on both systems?

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ivor:

yup.

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fryfrog:

(so i can install on both)

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fryfrog:

kk

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ivor:

its only a tiny app.

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fryfrog:

i assume one listens, one sends, as fast as it can?

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ivor:

and then some.

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fryfrog:

eth0: too many iterations (6) in nv_nic_irq.

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fryfrog:

thats the only other network issue i see

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fryfrog:

but all the google searching says to just up the limit

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netrix:

if you had 2 pvr 500's, one with samsung tuners and the other with phillips would you specify the tuner options this way: tuner=68,68,57,57 or do you need two "options ivtv tuner=x,x" lines for each card?

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fryfrog:

netrix: no idea, what is wrong with auto-detect?

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GreyFoxx:

hey likely wont sell to me. not in an OTA area, or in the US :)

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GreyFoxx:

oops

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netrix:

i don't think it's detecting properly because the video is all fuzzy.

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fryfrog:

ivor: [ 3] 0.0–10.0 sec 1113 MBytes 111 MBytes/sec

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netrix:

fryfrog: okay scratch that, it is detecting the tuners properly. i peeled of the stickers on the cans and wrote down the card seirals. when i modprobe ivtv and watch the output the correct tuners are detected for the right cards.

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fryfrog:

iperf -c 10.0.1.2 -f M

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fryfrog:

that was with those options

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netrix:

can't figue out why the video is all fuzzy then.

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ivor:

fryfrog: check both directions too

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fryfrog:

bah, time for lunch and learn :(

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fryfrog:

k

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robert83a1:

netrix : if I may ask , how do you know which tuner do you have, I mean the number, is there a table somewhere online ?

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netrix:

robert83a1: check tuner.h from the ivtv driver for the list, and peel the sticker off the tuner can to see what you have.

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robert83a1:

netrix : thank you

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netrix:

robert83a1: on the back of the card is the serial number and you will see that as well when you modprobe ivtv. useful for troubleshooting multiple card installs.

[15:30:40]

robert83a1:

netrix : it's possible to check the tuner type without peeling of the sticker, via the serial number ? ( I think that peeling the sticker off, would probably void waranty on my Hauppauge PVR-150)

[15:31:19]

netrix:

robert83a1: not that I know of. i noticed the sticker was sticky enough to put it back on tho.

[15:32:49]

robert83a1:

netrix : ok so on the tuner I will be able to see for example Philips FQ1216AME_MK4, and then I will know that I will have to use options ivtv tuner=56 (according to tuner.h)

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netrix:

robert83a1: yep. tho i noticed the current drivers do seem to detect the tuner properly so you may not even need to do this.

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robert83a1:

netrix : mine was not detected... mythtv havent even scanned any channel till I've set the tuner option, I'm only asking this because it might be I'm using wrong tuner option for my card, cause some channels are not detected.

[15:34:16]

robert83a1:

(and I've used fc5 with latest updates)

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netrix:

robert83a1: when i peeled the sticker back I noticed that the exact model of the tuner was there and it was an exact match with the tuner listed in tuner.h, ie the samsungs are "TCPN2221P30A" which was in tuner.h

[15:34:51]

netrix:

robert83a1: yeah i have had that problem with a PVR-350 card too. tho that was with an older version of ivtv.

[15:34:56]

robert83a1:

netrix : thank you, I'll try to peel that sticker off.

[15:35:06]

netrix:

robert83a1: np.

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robert83a1:

another thing, it seems that picture on my nvidia 5200 s-video is a bit off, left and top is approx 1.5cm + , how can I enlarge the picture so that it would fill the entire display on my tv

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robert83a1:

( I mean I have a 1.5 cm black line on top and left part of the screen)

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netrix:

robert83a1: had this problem too. there is an nvidia configuration utility to adjust the display

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netrix:

robert83a1: i think it was called nvidia-settings or nvidia-xonfig

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fryfrog:

Okay, locally my RAID5 does 80mb/sec, mounted over NFS I get about 20mb/sec

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Paladine:

anyone know if you can use gksudo prefixes for menu.xml?

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Paladine:

I want to add a menu item to launch cedega with root

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Paladine:

from mythfrontend

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teapot:

hi

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teapot:

can someone please help me out of this hole

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teapot:

I think I'm being brain-dead

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teapot:

I can't figure out how to link lircd to mythtv

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teapot:

I'm running irexec --daemon as user mythtv

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teapot:

and I have a .lircrc file in both ~mythtv

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teapot:

(I also have a lircrc file in ~mythtv/.mythtv/

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teapot:

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teapot:

irw works fine btw, and I have a lircd.conf file for my remote all hunkey dorey

[16:02:20]

teapot:

But pushing buttons on the remote has absolutely zero effect in mythtv

[16:02:49]

teapot:

I don't think the deb was compiled with IR support, hence irexec..

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teapot:

What am I missing ???

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teapot:

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** Juski nukes Stockport **

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** stuarta wonders why? **

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Merlin83b:

Traffic?

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Juski:

aye

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Juski:

6 lanes ain't enough

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netrix:

anyone know what this mythbackend message means: "Connected to database 'mythconverg' at host: host.system.com is defined, but isn't attached to a cardinput."

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derekS:

is there any cable card that works with myth that allows me to view digital cable

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stuarta:

home time

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suihkulokki:

What's the difference between callsign and channel name?

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GreyFoxx:

A callsign is the channels supposedly unique registered name, but the channel name is the people friendly version

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suihkulokki:

I have (some) same channels from dvb-t and dvb-c, and I want to make sure that mythtv knows they are same

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GreyFoxx:

So you can have the channel "Scifi channel" but a callsign of "SCIFI"

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GreyFoxx:

the callsign would have to match if you want myth to see them as the same channel

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suihkulokki:

roger

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derekS:

anyone know about digital cable?

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gordonjl:

all, does anyone have experience with the xorg.conf file? I think my settings are slightly off which is causing diagonal lines on my screen

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gordonjl:

my tv is a dell lcd hdtv 32". Analog cable is going in.

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gordonjl:

to the video card, composite is coming out

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GreyFoxx:

gordonjl: This kind of thing ? http://deinterlace.sourceforge.net/screenshots/index.htm

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GreyFoxx:

And worse during heavy movement ?

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gordonjl:

GreyFoxx: not really. the lines are diagonal and the picture is better. You can tolerate watching it, but only barely.

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GreyFoxx:

don't know what that would be then

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gordonjl:

I'm wondering if it has something to do with hdtv, or my hertz aren't right. is my frequency goofed up, I mean, and can resolve it in xorg.conf

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robert83a1:

hi, it appears that I have TCL M2523_3DB_E , according to modprobe tveeprom , hmmm in tuner.h I have no such thing, that one that comes closest is the PAL version of PVR-150 , I wonder if modprobe tveeprom retrieves correct info for tuner type, or should I still peel of the sticker to check manually tuner type :)

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tuxi:

hi

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tuxi:

anyone got an hauppauge nova-s plus?

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Juski:

what's with all the hoo-har about cablecard lately anyway?

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Juski:

should be a given it'll never work in Linux

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Juski:

tuxi: we don't see many dvb-s users here I'm afraid

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Basstard`:

any geforce 6150 users?

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ivor:

I've got a dvb-s card sitting in a box.... I haven't had time to install it. :(

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antiPo5ix:

I have an odd request. I have something that is broadcast on channel 2 and 5 at the sametime. Its actually "Heros". My channel 2 doesnt come in well. So I want mythtv to use channel 5. Although the same show is also on SciFi. How do I say "Anytime on any channel except channel 2"

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antiPo5ix:

mythtv always uses channel 2 instead of 5

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Juski:

antiPo5ix: give channel 5 higher priority, IIRC

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antiPo5ix:

interesting

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tuxi:

Juski, erm why are you afraid

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Pryon:

that's just an expression

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antiPo5ix:

dont be afraid

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Juski:

no be very afraid :-P

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fryfrog:

antiPo5ix: you could also setup two schedules on the two channels you want

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fryfrog:

btw, how does it play on 2 and 5?

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tuxi:

i already had the card running

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fryfrog:

is one HD, one SD?

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antiPo5ix:

both analog

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tuxi:

but i am asking if the driver is now in the stable kernel, so i hadnt to patch

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fryfrog:

Heroes is NBC, right? Besides SCIFI, what other network has it?

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fryfrog:

or do you have *two* nbc stations?

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antiPo5ix:

two NBC stations

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antiPo5ix:

NBC ans Scifi correct

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fryfrog:

antiPo5ix: do they play the *same* things? And channel 2 is *always* ugly/worse?

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fryfrog:

if so, just remove channel 2?

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Juski:

shopping time :-|

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Merlin83b:

Gah, things haven't been recording for a couple of days...

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Merlin83b:

Erm, since I did some stuff behind the TV

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** Merlin83b hopes he didn't knock the aerial out... **

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Merlin83b:

Occam's razor and all.

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fryfrog:

5120000000 bytes (5.1 GB) copied, 183.787 s, 27.9 MB/s

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fryfrog:

over NFS, gige

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fryfrog:

that isn't *too* bad :)

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Zider:

nice

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Fnc-1:

what you all use, to meause performance?

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Fnc-1:

top?

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Fnc-1:

sytem usage stuffs?

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Zider:

far from theoretical max tho ;)

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fryfrog:

Fnc-1: just "dd if=/dev/zero of=5.12G bs=512 count=10000000"

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fryfrog:

it outputs the speed at the end

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fryfrog:

that was a network *write* btw

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fish_:

re

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fryfrog:

Zider: yeah, I guess that'd be *about* 100mb/sec, but I think my raid5 array only manages about 80mb/sec

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fryfrog:

will know in a moment

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Zider:

fryfrog: 125

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fryfrog:

well, gotta take into account overhead of network and such

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fryfrog:

but 110–120 should be more like

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fryfrog:

?

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fryfrog:

way more than 30mb/sec at least :)

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fryfrog:

5120000000 bytes (5.1 GB) copied, 74.1478 s, 69.1 MB/s

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Zider:

well, I know 1,25MB/sec is possible on 10Mbit.. so 12,5 shouldbe possible with100Mbit and 125 with 1G

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fryfrog:

so 70mb/sec from *local* server -> raid5, 30mb/sec over network

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fryfrog:

rw,soft,intr,rsize=32768,wsize=32768,nfsvers=3,bg,actimeo=0,tcp,addr=10.0.1.2

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Zider:

on the other hand. home-gbit doesn't usually use jumboframes

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fryfrog:

with those nfs opts

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fryfrog:

Zider: ah, i *know* mine isn't

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fryfrog:

maybe you can answer a question about jumbo frames

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Zider:

well then :)

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Zider:

whatq?

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fryfrog:

I *though* that if you had *any* 100mbit devices on the gige switch/device, you can't use jumbo frames

[16:54:50]

fryfrog:

ie, your lan has to be *pure* gige?

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Zider:

depends on the switch iirc

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fryfrog:

but don't you make a settings change on the *client* as well?

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Zider:

the really luxurious switches can mixframe sizes

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fryfrog:

so that the client sents jumbo frames?

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fryfrog:

sends

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Zider:

you set the frame size on both ends

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fryfrog:

so then, how could you use any sort of router?

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fryfrog:

it'd have to have a gige on one side, 10mbit on the other...

[16:56:22]

fryfrog:

and do jumboframe -> normal conversion or soething?

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Zider:

yeah, like I said, the more "luxurious" switches can do that.. iirc..

[16:57:20]

Zider:

dunno if it's on different networklayers or something

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fryfrog:

stream: start_time: 49680.387 duration: 676.603 bitrate=17236 kb/s

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Zider:

or if they need to be managed

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fryfrog:

that means i'm doing about 16mb/sec, right?

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Zider:

sounds like it yes

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Zider:

s/sounds/looks/

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fryfrog:

okay, now that i'm done testing i'll watch out for more IOBOUND errors :/

[16:58:05]

fryfrog:

I think I caused a few :)

[16:58:26]

fryfrog:

Maybe I should put one of my HDDVRs up with the Master, so that 2 don't have to write over network

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Zider:

I'll buy a jumboframeswitch soon, so I'll testwithdifferent frame sizes then

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Zider:

fryfrog: it seems to be in the layer 2

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fish_:

what is the best strategy for priorizing mythtv? should mythfront- and backend have the same nice?

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cipher_nemo:

Does anyone know of a *complete* guide to installing MythTV 0.20 tarball or cvs that includes installing all dependencies and configuration of MythTV? (Yes, I've googled this endlessly, and yes there are guides, but they're either out of date or are not complete. And yes, I know about the wiki, but nothing there is complete). I don't care which distro of Linux the guide involves — I can install any because this will

[17:15:32]

** netrix pulls his hair out trying to get two pvr500's working. **

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Merlin83b:

cipher_nemo: http://mythtv.org/modules.php?name=MythInstall

[17:16:02]

beavis:

do you guys know if knoppmyth is based on 0.20-fixes?

[17:16:06]

netrix:

i dont get it ... this should work. everything checks out with my new pvr500. can anyone tell me what i should check?

[17:16:25]

cipher_nemo:

Merlin83b: That guide is out of date in MANY areas, but thank you for trying to help.

[17:16:38]

Merlin83b:

It was put up to date about 2 weeks ago, cipher_nemo.

[17:16:43]

Merlin83b:

Check the date at the top.

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cipher_nemo:

Merlin83b: Have you read through it? The date only demotes when it was last edited. MANY MANY portions are out of date. I've used that guide before ... the "official guide" and its not helpful.

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cipher_nemo:

Merlin83b: to give you an idea, it talks about MySQL 4 and 3

[17:18:07]

Merlin83b:

I haven't used it for a while, I used KnoppMyth. Of course, feel free to update it.

[17:18:16]

Merlin83b:

Yes cipher_nemo, mythtv uses mysql 4.

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cipher_nemo:

Merlin83b: I got MythTV up and running on MySQL 5 just fine a while ago before I ran into problems

[17:18:57]

Merlin83b:

Yes, it's only recently had support for 5, though.

[17:19:11]

Merlin83b:

Anyway, I don't know other guides. Please feel free to update the wiki.

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cipher_nemo:

Merlin83b: I'd be happy to update it if I had a clear sense of everything... kinda hard to complete the install of MYthTV in the cleanest, most complete manner when there is no good starting point out there so far for 0.20 (only good guides for 0.18)

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fryfrog:

cipher_nemo: I like gentoo because "emerge mythtv" pulls in all the required items

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cipher_nemo:

fryfrog: I wouldn't mind using gentoo, except for the install of it measured in days :)

[17:20:25]

fryfrog:

ahah

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Zider:

took a few hours for me

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fryfrog:

hey, on a *good* system, it should only be "day" :L)

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cipher_nemo:

fryfrog: building an entire O/S from source can take a little while :)

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Zider:

s/good/decent/ :P

[17:21:05]

fryfrog:

cipher_nemo: I started one on monday and it was basically done on tuesday

[17:21:15]

fryfrog:

that included rebooting it remotly w/ the cd still in :p

[17:21:16]

Zider:

cipher_nemo: the basic install isn't compiled, it's binary.. all updates or additional progs are compiled tho.. ;)

[17:21:24]

cipher_nemo:

fryfrog: usually "good" PC and PVR don't really sync up... I'm not installing MythTV on my main gaming rig :)

[17:21:40]

fryfrog:

well, this was 2 days on an Athlon XP 1400+

[17:21:48]

fryfrog:

as long as you aren't talking kde/gnome, it isn't bad

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Zider:

cipher_nemo: the installation is only done once tho..

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cipher_nemo:

Zider: ah, thanks... didn't know that. I assumed gentoo users booted to some stripped down kernel, then built the kernel and everything from scratch

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fryfrog:

but it definatly *isn't* faster than a binary one

[17:22:22]

fryfrog:

cipher_nemo: yeah, that is how it works

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Zider:

cipher_nemo: stage3 (precompiled) is default installation now..

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cipher_nemo:

fryfrog: only faster if using some odd architecture (like VIA CPUs) where other distros don't have built kernels for it

[17:22:59]

fryfrog:

but you do still have to compile the kernel, X, mythtv, etc

[17:23:19]

fryfrog:

nah, even then binary distros are probably faster to install than gentoo :)

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cipher_nemo:

fryfrog: so all of gentoo's sources.list are dev/source sources? hehehe

[17:24:01]

fryfrog:

i don't know what you mean?

[17:24:12]

fryfrog:

but yes, gentoo grabs the "source" of everything you install

[17:24:22]

fryfrog:

usually from the creators site

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Honk^away:

why do i only get an empty screen when trying to import a cd? =)

[17:24:43]

fryfrog:

empty cd? badump cha!

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netrix:

can anyone help me with my pvr500s'? all the channels show up black and white and sound is all poluted with static.

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cipher_nemo:

fryfrog: all of your sources for gentoo are typically source sources... ie: not many people would want to install gentoo, then use debian binaries or something?

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kormoc:

cipher_nemo, sources.list?

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fryfrog:

netrix: is the card pal and you are ntsc?

[17:25:33]

fryfrog:

cipher_nemo: right, *all* of the source binaries are downloaded from the makers site, though sometimes they mirror the files on a faster connection

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cipher_nemo:

kormac: Debian/ubuntu/etc. distro config file for specifying package servers

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fryfrog:

ie, we get X from xorg, fluxbox from the fluxbox guys, rpm from redhat (or somethign?) etc

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netrix:

fryfrog: checked that everything was set to ntsc. the output of the dmesg when loading ivtv says it's ntsc, also tried forcing it with module options.

[17:26:16]

fryfrog:

netrix: is the b&w input over tuner, svideo, rca, etc?

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cipher_nemo:

so, anyone else have any complete guide links for 0.20?

[17:26:36]

fryfrog:

and are you testing with cat /dev/video0 or in myth?

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netrix:

fryfrog: only looking at the tuner, didn't try any other inputs because i don't have anything to test with.

[17:26:49]

fryfrog:

i basically followed the one that came with myth and the one on gentoo's site

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fryfrog:

it isn't *that* hard or different from original one

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netrix:

both ... have tried cat'ing /dev/video and viewing the mpg file and also in myth. same result.

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fryfrog:

*unless* you are looking for no brainer, command line by command line?

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fryfrog:

netrix: humm, what version of ivtv?

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kormoc:

cipher_nemo, ooh, each ebuild has the servers for that specific program's source code, so there is no generic list

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netrix:

fryfrog: 0.4.7

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kormoc:

cipher_nemo, if you can't follow the one on myth's website, really you shouldn't compile from source imho

[17:28:27]

fryfrog:

is that the latest for your kernel? I use 2.6.18 and ivtv 0.8.0 :/

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netrix:

fryfrog: the output of loading the module is all correct, i checked the tuners and looked at the ivtv output and it is detecting the right tuners on the right card.

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fryfrog:

that is a good point too, kormoc

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netrix:

fryfrog: 2.6.15

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fryfrog:

netrix: i see :/

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netrix:

i only had one pvr 500 before and it worked fine. can't seem to get both working now.

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fryfrog:

netrix: well, i have a PVR500 sitting next to my monitor waiting to go into my parents mythbox... so if i see the same thing at least we can work on it together

[17:29:20]

fryfrog:

like a mandate

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netrix:

also ivtvctl reports that all /dev/videox devices are mode 0x003000 which is ntsc.

[17:29:39]

fryfrog:

does the old one still work?

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cipher_nemo:

fryfrog: exactly... I've installed MythTV 0.20 from packages built for ubuntu before, along with MySQL, and then built ivtv, etc. from source and got it working, but had configuration problems specific to MythTV, and one change of something compeltely hosed it, then made one of the packages completely unremovable by apt-get (go figure), so I'd like to avoid packages and get everything to build myself, but I would like

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netrix:

fryfrog: nope, i can cycle through all the tuners using 'y' in mythfrontend and all of them look the same.

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fryfrog:

oh

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netrix:

i'm also at the point where i will pull out the new card ..

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fryfrog:

its a pain in the ass, but have you tried removing the pvr500 and trying with *one*?

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fryfrog:

ha!

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fryfrog:

i'd try that

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netrix:

grr. back down to the basement for me then. brb.

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cipher_nemo:

fryfrog: what version of ivtv are you using for the 1 PVR-500s?

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netrix:

fryfrog: thanks.

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fryfrog:

cipher_nemo: Maybe you could be the one to start from zero and get it working on a system and document it out the wazoo :)

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cipher_nemo:

correction: netrix

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fryfrog:

cipher_nemo: I *will* be using 0.8.0 with kernel 2.6.18, my PVR500 isn't in the system yet

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cipher_nemo:

fryfrog: yeah, that seems to be the direction I'm heading, lol... darnit, I hate being a documentation pioneer hehehe :P

[17:31:42]

fryfrog:

netrix: my totally random, off the wall guess is that it has something to do with having two :/

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sigger:

anyone use a music player other than mythmusic (e.g. mpd) on their mythbox?

[17:31:52]

fryfrog:

cipher_nemo: i just hate documenting period :)

[17:32:11]

fryfrog:

i use mpd with jinzora on my server, but i don't know if that is what you mean?

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fryfrog:

mpd and myth won't share, either i think :/

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cipher_nemo:

fryfrog: open source has a way of making its users into an oxymoron: mandatory volunteers

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fryfrog:

hehe

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fryfrog:

the problem is open source people are developers, and developers hate documenting stuff!

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fryfrog:

it isn't as fun

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** cipher_nemo spits out some cool-looking code and wraps it... now you document it :) **

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sigger:

they don't share database info. I want my music access (e.g. mpd) but mythmusic is proving too cumbersome for a large collection (13K+ songs).

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fryfrog:

what the OSS community needs is an influx of technical writers who do *that* for fun

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fryfrog:

sigger: yeah, i think using the mythmusic ui with a remote is zomg tedius

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kormoc:

cipher_nemo, well, if you don't want to work for it, you could just not use it... it's not like open source is forced on you

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cipher_nemo:

fryfrog: yeah, I hear ya... I'm forced to document things in the M$ house where I'm forced to XML document everything I write in .NET apps

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fryfrog:

i think someone was talking about updating it

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sigger:

I already use mpd (in conjunction with ampache) so I'd love to do something with that since there's plenty good webserver interfaces (remote is just wrong for songlist preparation)

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cipher_nemo:

kormoc: true, but if you want to use a non-mature package, then you have to become some sort of guru with it to get anywhere :)

[17:35:33]

cipher_nemo:

it's amazing how far MythTV came from 0.18 to 0.20

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sigger:

fryfrog: there was a SoC guy on it, but last I looked nothing got done

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fryfrog:

yeah, i think someone was talking about the fact he sucked but was looking for his code to see what he accomplished

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fryfrog:

i like my xbox's music interface

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sigger:

I really like my ampache/mpd setup. I'd love to add a lirc interface to mpd (they are out there) but I'm concerned it'll affect myth too.

[17:44:05]

Juski:

fryfrog: yeah XBMC is nice for a lot of things. even mythtv playback, funnily enough

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fryfrog:

cept for hd :(

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Juski:

yeah well...

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fryfrog:

do you use the xbmc myth script?

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Juski:

used to

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Juski:

if only there was a PC app that loaded as fast as XBMC

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Juski:

like from poweroff to fully up in < 5 secs

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fryfrog:

yeah!

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fryfrog:

sheesh, its nice :)

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Juski:

geexbox can, but it's got that awful framebuffer thing going on

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kormoc:

if only a pc would post in under 5 seconds...

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fryfrog:

also, you can just turn off an xbox pretty much when ever you want

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Juski:

kormoc: even neglecting that it still takes upwards of 30 secs to boot & load X

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cipher_nemo:

has anyone used the guide at: http://wilsonet.com/mythtv/fcmyth.php ? Would you recommend it?

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netrix:

fryfrog: okay tried both cards on their own. same problem. :(

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kormoc:

cipher_nemo, lots of people have used it quite well, it was written by j-rod, and lots of people run FC in here

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cipher_nemo:

I ask because it looks fairly complete compared to others and the ol' Hyams' guide

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cipher_nemo:

kormoc: thx, I migth try fedora and this guide

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vballrican:

I'm installing FC5 right now to use this guide too.. :)

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Juski:

cipher_nemo: the official wiki has a lot of good stuff in it.. don't ignore that either. apart from jarod's excellent guide, beware of 'unofficial' howto guides!

[18:00:58]

Juski:

seriously!

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Juski:

e.g. Joe Bloggs' Mythtv blog... pleh!

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j-rod:

FC6 due out next week... :)

[18:01:51]

Juski:

if it's worth documenting, put it in the official wiki guys, please :)

[18:01:53]

DarkRedOne:

Hihi

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cipher_nemo:

kormoc: time to filezilla fedore core 5 dvd iso then, lol... and wait

[18:03:01]

cipher_nemo:

69KB/sec... ack :-(

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j-rod:

we had a shitload of fc5/i386 dvds around here a bit ago...

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Kelerion:

Juski, whats the dates again?

[18:03:44]

cipher_nemo:

j-rod: toss me one and I'l;l try to catch it... aim for the middle of Pennsylvania :)

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j-rod:

hey, everything's pretty close together on this coast, I might be able to get it there from MA

[18:04:31]

Juski:

Kelerion: arrive on the 24th, setup then expo on 25 & 26th

[18:04:43]

Kelerion:

thats what I thought.. thanks..

[18:04:53]

Juski:

Kelerion: where you been? everything okay?

[18:05:07]

stuarta:

Juski: need any help setting up? have a few days off....

[18:05:17]

Juski:

stuarta: more hands the better I imagine

[18:05:23]

Kelerion:

yup..everythings fine... just been catching up on some work... irc is a distraction.. lol

[18:05:28]

vballrican:

j-rod: if you have an ftp server setup, i can upload it if you want

[18:05:34]

Juski:

definitely need help carrying, eh Kelerion? ;-)

[18:05:49]

Kelerion:

yup.. it's all covered.. lol

[18:05:56]

cipher_nemo:

irc is the only thing that keeps me sane at work while everyone else is on IM :)

[18:06:10]

j-rod:

vballrican: upload what exactly?

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kormoc:

cipher_nemo, allentown?

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vballrican:

FC5 DVD iso

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j-rod:

heh, I was talking about commercially produced discs we had in the office

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cipher_nemo:

kormoc: somewhat close... but no, State College... home of Penn State University

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vballrican:

i just burned it, and was going to delete it when i saw your msg

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vballrican:

ohh..ok

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j-rod:

no need to upload anything, we have plenty of internal mirrors already

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vballrican:

ok

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kormoc:

cipher_nemo, heh, just guessing from your netmask, I'm from lancaster

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j-rod:

I'm already in the building

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vballrican:

hehe

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j-rod:

(Red Hat)

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kormoc:

vballrican, he works for redhat :P

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Juski:

Kelerion: no such Nick/channel? gah... need some info from you if you're still here :)

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j-rod:

I've got a GbE connection to a NetApp w/all the isos I could possibly want. :)

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cipher_nemo:

kormoc: ahhh, hello neighbor, hehe

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vballrican:

ohh... sorry, it was cypher_nemo.. lol

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cipher_nemo:

kormoc: Verizon DSL

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vballrican:

you're the jrod from the HOW-TO's???

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kormoc:

yes, he is

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cipher_nemo:

kormoc: at work, I'd be on PSU's blazing fast network.. sigh... working at home has its downs for Internet access

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kormoc:

cipher_nemo, you should have FIOS in that area soon

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Juski:

dammit.. photoshop can't export this logo as a vector... arseburgers

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antiPo5ix:

the MCE USB IR Blaster... is that worthless in linux? are there docs to dismantle it and make a serial IR blaster out of it?

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cipher_nemo:

kormoc: drool... I can't wait for a better conenction

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Juski:

looks like I'm gonna have to install inkscrape

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Juski:

antiPo5ix: you'd do better grabbing an IR LED to be honest

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Juski:

an IR LED, resistor & a 9 way female 'D' plug

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cipher_nemo:

kormoc: I just added myself and my spam e-mail to their notify list for FIOS :) I guess they're getting closer, but I'll have to wait still :(

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jeffmeden:

whats up with zap2it not carrying program details for the daily show and the colbert report?

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fryfrog:

yeah, seriously!

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jeffmeden:

anyone else pissed that mythtv cant tell the eps apart anymore

[18:17:11]

fryfrog:

jeffmeden: they surely just don't get them :(

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jeffmeden:

it worked til like a week ago

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fryfrog:

oh?

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jeffmeden:

i thought they were just gonna be reruns but they are new shows and the other tv listing services carry details

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jeffmeden:

zap2it dropped the ball

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fryfrog:

let zap2it know, it maybe an error on their part

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jeffmeden:

are their forums used for anything but complaining about who got voted off survivor?

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fryfrog:

i dunno, but i'm sure they have an email to report problems?

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antiPo5ix:

Juski: an IR LED and a 9 way female D plug? Any diagrams

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seth|lapto1:

well on my zap2it account, I was geting incorrect HD info. I get 2 channels of PBS. 33_1 and 33_3. The issue is 33_3 actually plays what 33_1 is supposed to according to the EPG. What I had to do was switch around the xmltv id numbers in mythweb, and now my recordings go without the wrong program title.

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fryfrog:

HOLEY FUCK

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fryfrog:

http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20061011-7956.html

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antiPo5ix:

they've been blasting that physco on ##linux

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Primer:

psycho

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antiPo5ix:

Primer: Thansk!

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Primer:

np

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GreyFoxx:

fryfrog: Yeah, I was reading an article on that last night. funny since it happened 2 weeks ago hehe

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Primer:

so...who here uses mythphone?

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Primer:

come on, someone here MUST use it!

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Primer:

I can't get the damn thing to do anything other than register on my asterisk server

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Basstard`:

so, when is knoppmyth updated?

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GreyFoxx:

Basstard`: The guys in #knoppmyth might know :)

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jeffmeden:

he journalled her to death

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jeffmeden:

(too soon?)

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fryfrog:

I bet he hid her body in the tails

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fryfrog:

thats why I have my reiserfs system set to "notail" :)

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tuxi:

-_- which debian packet includes lspci

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jeffmeden:

is lspci ever not installed?

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tuxi:

yes testing

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Kelerion:

hwdata maybe?

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jeffmeden:

oh

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jeffmeden:

frown

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tuxi:

i wonderd my self

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Kelerion:

or pciutils

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fryfrog:

i think its "pciutils" or "lspci"?

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fryfrog:

well, in gentoo at least :/

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tuxi:

ah.. thx pcutils

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antiPo5ix:

the first variable charecter in all the variables used in rjournal.c spell out. "I will kill my wife"... chilling

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tuxi:

omg

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Juski:

antiPo5ix: see lirc.org for an IR sender schematic.. and countless (count em if you dare) other pages

[18:39:43]

antiPo5ix:

I googled it and I am overwhelmed. beyond my expertise

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antiPo5ix:

maybe I'll pay the $12

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Juski:

Basstard`: knoppmyth for 0.20 is being tested. as soon as the devs are satisfied it's good to go, it'll go

[18:40:37]

antiPo5ix:

If I get a serial blaster from http://www.irblaster.info/ what lirc driver doI use?

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Juski:

antiPo5ix: lirc_serial prolly

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D-side:

Juski: how goes it? still in ubuntu hell? :)

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Juski:

D-side: never made it there in one piece yet

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Juski:

I need to figure out some non myth related schidt in umbongo first

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antiPo5ix:

anyone have to recompile mythtv with gcc-3.4 instead of gcc-4.0

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kormoc:

say what?

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antiPo5ix:

mythtv compiled with gcc 4 utilized twice the load it did prior to the upgrade for me

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D-side:

Juski: ah, gotcha.

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antiPo5ix:

I recompiled it all with 3.4 and the load is back to normal

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D-side:

jeez. the irblaster.info site has a quad ir blaster distribution block.

[18:43:56]

antiPo5ix:

I am not a rice burner and dont know all the optimizations though

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Juski:

D-side: plus I need a laptop to save me from running up & down the stairs to tweak the frontend.. and last time I had time to to the switch the laptop was away

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kormoc:

antiPo5ix, well, that's not unheard of, gcc 4 is a bit new still, so it's buggy

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netrix:

okay ... if anyone can give me any other troubleshooting tips for a pvr 500 i'd love to hear 'em.

[18:44:33]

netrix:

i get static-ie black and white on mine.

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antiPo5ix:

sell it on ebay and get a 150 ?

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Juski:

I'm gonna have to buy a laptop of my own pretty soon I think

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Juski:

netrix: wrong tuner type selected? incorrect freq. table used?

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Juski:

auto doesn't always (I mean it rarely) gets it right

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netrix:

Juski: i peeled back the stickets like you said and verified the tuner types, when ivtv loads it is autodetecting the right one.

[18:45:45]

netrix:

Juski: you mean the freq. table setting in mythtv-setup?

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netrix:

right ones i should have said.

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Juski:

netrix: prolly the wrong freq. standard, or maybe you're missing a v4l module

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Juski:

test it with cat & ivtvtune or whatever

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netrix:

okay. let me play with that. thanks.

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jeffmeden:

has anyone here dealt with a weak cable tv input and found a certain card to solve it?

[18:47:15]

Juski:

I dunno what it is, but people have this idea they can just jump right into using gear in mythtv. I read one forum posting where a guy said his tuner didn't work in linux, but maybe if he installed mythtv....

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netrix:

cat gives me the same result as mythtv, black and white with static-e audio. i guess that means it's not the freq. table?

[18:47:43]

Juski:

netrix: not necessarily. you've not tried the ivtv tuner app yet have you?

[18:48:05]

netrix:

Juski: nope ... i don't see an ivtvtune in my utils dir ...?

[18:48:08]

Juski:

I went to the trouble of testing the tuner despite knowing I'll never use it

[18:48:27]

Juski:

netrix: go see ivtvdriver.org & see what they suggest for testing cards

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jeffmeden:

i want to buy a better card, maybe even an encoding card, i just dont want to waste money

[18:49:19]

Juski:

ivtvtune.pl was pulled a while back & replaced with something better

[18:49:46]

Juski:

jeffmeden: an amp could make all the difference. or you could just threaten to leave your cable provider over the shit quality of the feed & see what they do

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fryfrog:

netrix: did you remove one of the cards?

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netrix:

i like this tip from ivtvdriver.org: Shutdown your machine and wait at least 30 seconds. The reason for this is that registers take a long time to clear. This is especially important when changing driver versions.

[18:50:21]

netrix:

fryfrog: yeah, tried both cards on their own. same thing.

[18:50:28]

Juski:

could be your cable is split too many times, jeffmeden

[18:50:29]

fryfrog:

and it worked before?

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fryfrog:

man, my cable is split so many times it hurts

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netrix:

fryfrog: yep.... tho i did upgrade to 0.4.7 from 0.4.6

[18:51:07]

fryfrog:

at the house hookup, it goes into an amp and then to 3 rooms

[18:51:10]

jeffmeden:

mines split like mad

[18:51:11]

Juski:

netrix: new low voltage logic can sometimes retain settings.. you have to wait for the cards' capacitors to discharge.. that's one theory

[18:51:21]

jeffmeden:

5 TVs in the house plus a cable modem

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fryfrog:

in pc room, it splits 3 ways (cable modem, 2x air2pc cards), in tv room it splits 2 ways (2x hddvr)

[18:51:35]

Juski:

jeffmeden: there ya go then. if you've not got a distribution amp, get one

[18:51:36]

netrix:

Juksi: I wonder if it should turn off the machine for a good while and try again since I did upgrade the driver.

[18:51:43]

fryfrog:

and in the bedroom, one tv

[18:52:02]

fryfrog:

netrix: or you could try *downgrading* the driver :/

[18:52:13]

fryfrog:

netrix: actually, i'd try very hard to test via the svideo / rca port

[18:52:14]

Dagmar:

I like how they're assuming that it's safe to leave registers that are actually important enough to affect something, untouched.

[18:52:25]

fryfrog:

netrix: you could even hook up a windows pc with tv out on the video card

[18:52:29]

Dagmar:

Am I the only one that thinks that warning is f**king stupid?

[18:52:31]

fryfrog:

netrix: or a vcr or dvd player?

[18:52:47]

Juski:

Dagmar: I think it's mostly conjecture and / or coincidence the register thing came about

[18:53:24]

Juski:

the reason I pointed out is completely just a theory trying to explain why it might have come about – not very likely

[18:53:39]

Dagmar:

Juski: I would think that if something doesn't work because it's not being completely initialized, that this would be called a bug, not a warning about hardware limitations.

[18:54:22]

Juski:

though we've recently seen issues with a HDD manufacturer.. and it turned out that said manufacturer did tests, and repeatedly powering up a HDD, without anything on the bus (i.e. just the PSU) it sometimes gets its knickers in a twist & won't work

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netrix:

fryfrog: tried that already. no dice.

[18:54:41]

fryfrog:

netrix: that is lame :/

[18:55:07]

fryfrog:

netrix: i guess its time to shut down for 60 seconds :p

[18:55:17]

fryfrog:

though i honestly never had to do that when I had 4x PVR250s

[18:55:48]

netrix:

fryfrog: tell me about it. i even replaced the cable runs with two new cables and tested with a regular tv plugging into the the cable amp and without the cable amp just to be sure my cable was okay.

[18:55:49]

Juski:

maybe there's a design fault on the cards.. like they don't have PSU voltage supervisor chips taking care of the watchdog stuff

[18:56:05]

Dagmar:

Juski: That sounds like Maxtor to a T.

[18:56:16]

Juski:

easy way to save cash, that, based on the assumption of "oh don't worry there's a watchdog on the processor"

[18:56:26]

Juski:

Dagmar: well it aint maxtor

[18:56:35]

Dagmar:

I'm actually suprised

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Juski:

since the channel is logged I'm not gonna say

[18:57:03]

netrix:

okay from the ivtv faq, it talks about "may need to reset the card configuration in mythtv-setup". i cleared out all the capture cards and re-added them. is ther another way?

[18:57:18]

Juski:

netrix: nope.. that's about all there is to do

[18:57:24]

Dagmar:

Well, stuff happens, and then you buy the hardware anyway as a cheaper refurb when they fix it. ;)

[18:57:38]

Dagmar:

I got no problem with refurbbed Maxtor drives. :)

[18:57:44]

Juski:

Dagmar: yup.. though something of this magnitude is gonna be a while before it's fixed

[18:58:03]

Dagmar:

Well, honestly, it sounds like a rather small problem

[18:58:20]

Dagmar:

How often does a machine lose power to the bus for less than thirty seconds anyway

[18:58:28]

Juski:

yeah.. SOUNDS small.. like a CPLD change or a small mod... but to roll it out into production...

[18:58:29]

Dagmar:

This is why we buy UPSes.

[18:58:40]

Juski:

Dagmar: try telling our customers that

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jeffmeden:

is a 'drop amp' the same as a regular amp for CATV?

[18:59:01]

netrix:

gonna shutdown the machine and drink a beer, then power it back on.

[18:59:07]

Juski:

we tell them in the sales manuals, the distributors tell em.. the installers tell em.. they try to save money...

[18:59:08]

** netrix crosses his fingers. **

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Dagmar:

Juski: Really, I would. I'd still feel like the problem needed fixing, but people _should_ have UPSes. Even the cheap ones extend hardware life

[18:59:33]

Dagmar:

I tell people they should spend the $35 on a UPs

[18:59:46]

Dagmar:

In Nashville, it's a pretty easy sell.

[18:59:50]

Juski:

Dagmar: trouble is, sometimes the drives don't come up the very first time you power em on

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jeffmeden:

cheap UPSs make my stomach churn

[19:00:05]

jeffmeden:

anyone with a CATV amp that wants to trade for a good UPS msg me

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jeffmeden:

haha

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Dagmar:

There's lightning storms here in the spring and summer that would make a more primitive people know that their god is very angry with them, and there's entirely too many virgins lying around spare.

[19:00:29]

** Juski is gonna be buying a cheap-ass UPS soon.. juust enough to get me a graceful shutdown **

[19:00:49]

Dagmar:

Juski: Okay, that "not powering up on the first go" should definitely not happen

[19:01:12]

netrix:

power is brtual where i am, my cheap apc's saved my ass many times this summer with all the brownouts in my area.

[19:01:12]

jeffmeden:

my mythtv box has 90 minutes of UPS runtime

[19:01:24]

Juski:

Dagmar: maybe only one in 10,000 power-ups, but it's not acceptable when you're shipping thousands of units a month

[19:01:29]

jeffmeden:

my PC has 100 min

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Dagmar:

Yeah, I've got some more elaborate UPSes for my firewalls and storage box, but my desktops only need a cheap-ass $35 UPS because all your really need is about 5–8 minutes warning

[19:01:52]

Juski:

we get through a lot of HDDs. pallet loads a week

[19:02:00]

Dagmar:

Whew

[19:02:21]

Dagmar:

Most of the time when the power goes out here, if it's out for more than a minute, it's going to be gone an hour or more

[19:02:40]

Juski:

arghhh why are all OSS apps' zoom functions so retarded?

[19:02:44]

Dagmar:

This is one of the things keeping track of power failures over the last 10 years has shown me

[19:02:52]

Juski:

use the scrollwheel you bastards!

[19:03:02]

Dagmar:

Juski: Because they involve more complex math than their authors realize when they start

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Juski:

Dagmar: no way

[19:03:35]

Dagmar:

It's my guess.

[19:04:02]

Dagmar:

Their first attempt results in hideous jaggies, and then after they get that fixed, they're too relieved to realize people might want an intelligent way to zoom. )

[19:04:02]

Juski:

does GTK not do scrollwheels?

[19:04:09]

Dagmar:

GTK does do scrollwheels

[19:04:20]

Dagmar:

It does 'em fine, if you tell X about 'em.

[19:04:21]

Juski:

so they have no excuse then

[19:04:31]

Dagmar:

They're just buttons 5 & 6 as far as X is concerned tho.

[19:04:52]

Dagmar:

I'm still trying to figure out why the gnome volume app goes down faster than it goes up

[19:05:05]

Dagmar:

er not in theory tho

[19:05:25]

Dagmar:

I think they probably did it because accidental quiet is a lot better then your neighbors suddenly hearing your porno

[19:05:26]

jeffmeden:

can someone look at an auction and tell me if its for the right CATV amp?

[19:06:23]

Dagmar:

I'm trying to figure out where it's going on in the code so I can fix it to be even both ways. I can't really screw up that way with the spinwheel on my keyboard

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netrix:

okay. put the toher pvr 500 back in. machine is powered off, unplugged and i'm drinking a beer.

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netrix:

i'm gonna scream if this is it ...

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Juski:

oh wow, I love inkscape's bezier curve editing. so easy!

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sigger:

JEEZ – small aircraft crashed into a building in Manhattan (NY, NY)

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sigger:

http://www.cnn.com/

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Hoxzer:

sigger: yeah, and now G. W Bush is going to blame N. Korea about it for sure :P

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Hoxzer:

*for it

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netrix:

okay turning it off for 10 minutes and back on didn't work. :(

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Juski:

netrix: still prolly just a freq table issue. try that tuning doodah from ivtvdriver.org

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netrix:

thats what i am planning on.

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netrix:

thanks for the tip.

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Juski:

if you have _any_ kind of video source, like a dvd player, camcorder, game console... plug that into a video input on the card & issue an ivtvctl command...

[19:51:28]

Juski:

that'd at least prove the encoder is working, and that for a lot of people is most of the battle

[19:51:35]

Juski:

then there's the ivtv mailing list...

[19:51:56]

Juski:

well – just about got a usable svg representation of the forum logo now.

[19:52:13]

Dagmar:

Hoxzer: Looks like just another flying lawnmower accident to me

[19:52:21]

Juski:

how many hats can I wear now? graphic designer, theme guy, remixer, DJ.. video editor, producer...

[19:52:26]

Dagmar:

Hoxzer: Someone's probably missing their morning traffic reporter

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Dagmar:

Juski: No father confessor in there?

[19:52:56]

Juski:

Dagmar: I ain't fessin up to nothin

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sigger:

Dagmar: the federal aviation administration is currently describing it as a plane that would not be a helicopter

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Juski:

I don't take confessions either

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Dagmar:

sigger: There's lots of those. Something slightly larger than a Cessna lawnmower, but not by much

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Juski:

not even from teenage girls who msg me on MSN...

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Dagmar:

sigger: That it's not a helicopter should be obvious. A helicopter would be more likely to be kind of dribbling down the side of hte building

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scopeuk:

Juski you wanan speak to peopel who run log bots and get that line deleted?

[19:54:24]

Juski:

scopeuk: nah. doesn't everybody get them? they're only bots anyway

[19:54:25]

Dagmar:

Hey, I freely admit I set up a myspace account so I could be stalked by young girls.

[19:54:31]

Dagmar:

So far it hasn't worked very wlel.

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Juski:

though I bet Hoxzer doesn't.. :-P

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scopeuk:

Juski i have tenage girls on my messenger list but i havethe valid excuse that i am stil a teenager

[19:55:04]

Dagmar:

scopeuk: And at least they're telling you they're girls, right?

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Juski:

yeh well I'm not yet old enough to be classed a 'dirty old man'

[19:55:16]

scopeuk:

Dagmar i know them all itrw

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Dagmar:

Whassit... mof54 we should be watching out for, right?

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scopeuk:

Juski when i meet up with my mates back home the age range is 14 – 46

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Juski:

god why are teens so busy on myspace etc? shouldn't they be out having sex & catching/spreading diseases?

[19:56:00]

scopeuk:

no myspace here

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scopeuk:

well technically i do but its through a spambox.us email address with a randomly generated passsword and no useable info

[19:56:28]

scopeuk:

iirc i wanted a video a while back

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Juski:

I have a vid I need to put on youtube actually

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Juski:

unless someone already has...

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** scopeuk is so glad he doeent have a webcam **

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** Juski looks for madguy.wmv **

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Juski:

uploading... like OMG I'm putting a vid on youtube

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jeffmeden:

hope you werent fond of that copyright

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** scopeuk ponders over the fate of hsi old runescape accoutn now its been tranfrered to a younger sibling who can still stand the game **

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Juski:

jeffmeden: nah

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Hoxzer:

AAARGH when In junior high I learned to hate runescape

[20:04:12]

Hoxzer:

I was going to kill my self when I listened these guys

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** stuarta hacks away at myth **

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Hoxzer:

Whoowhoouuuwhouuuwhouu uin the hand of god

[20:04:51]

Hoxzer:

the 69 eyes – hand of god

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scopeuk:

lol

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scopeuk:

i played it to be social (i know that takes the pi55)

[20:06:13]

Hoxzer:

I recomend irc when it comes to be social

[20:06:22]

scopeuk:

thsi was a logn time ago

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Hoxzer:

;) luckily

[20:06:35]

scopeuk:

about a 6th of my life

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Hoxzer:

Well I played runes scape too when I was in elementary school

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Hoxzer:

:P at the moment I'm doing second year of high school so it was pretty long ago

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scopeuk:

im in my first year at uni

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Juski:

jees the original video I mangled is on there

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scopeuk:

Hoxzer atleast i never got convinced to pay for the privilage

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Juski:

disturbed? you decide.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0XixSqh-gX0

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scopeuk:

ive seen worse at the "piss ups" back home

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scopeuk:

although we normally take gafertape to em

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scopeuk:

or lock em in car boots

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Juski:

I've seen worse in the clubs I used to work

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scopeuk:

no duh

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Juski:

scary when they're in yer face

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scopeuk:

alcohol plus completl atmospher of zero restraint == pliocks

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Juski:

not so much alcohol.. was more ketamine & other nasty crap I think

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scopeuk:

yeh doesent help

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scopeuk:

most ofthe guys i know are as likely to be being random to that level jsut becouse there awake

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scopeuk:

or possibly have had too much cafine

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Juski:

right.. my version is done processing http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ee5-tiWZ_jE

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scopeuk:

lol

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scopeuk:

good one juski

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scopeuk:

bobble hat!

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Juski:

my 1st ever edit job in Vegas

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Hoxzer:

Juski = Dj. Rotti ?

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scopeuk:

think you could do somethign with the polkarama off weird als latest album

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Juski:

Hoxzer: lol no

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Hoxzer:

:P

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Hoxzer:

Do you have a dj Name?

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Juski:

nah.. that's too erm.. wankerish

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Juski:

not to mention pretentious

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scopeuk:

lol yeh i remeber i was gonan make a dj name once then realised one important thing

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scopeuk:

i cant dj

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Juski:

scopeuk: never stopped Boy George

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scopeuk:

lol

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scopeuk:

well techinically i can do all the tech part

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scopeuk:

and i can just about beat mix but my scrating and crosfader tricks suck ass

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Juski:

if you can get the levels right & beat mix you're already ahead of 95% of bar DJs

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scopeuk:

i much prefer messing with the tech stuff

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scopeuk:

call me mad but id rarther lug a few hundred pounds of amp's andspeakers round get it checked and running then disapeartill the end ofthe night

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Juski:

oo I forgot I still had the ITV digital monkeh ads

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scopeuk:

lol

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scopeuk:

they were classic

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Juski:

should bring em back I reckon

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stuarta:

bloody hell. there is a bloke making sense on BBC parliment, wrt computer tech...

[20:23:45]

Juski:

then I'd be inverting cutlists

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scopeuk:

stuarta you must be imagining it

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stuarta:

no, sensible discussion on computer software and new laws...

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seth|laptop:

what time is it in the UK, just curious

[20:24:35]

scopeuk:

9:24

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seth|laptop:

ah

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seth|laptop:

am or pm

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scopeuk:

stuarta uk sensible computer laws i call bs

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stuarta:

not that there are more than 4 people in the house of lords

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scopeuk:

pm

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scopeuk:

stuarta thats more like it

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scopeuk:

only ones that give a damn are a few insignificant back benchers

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stuarta:

yeah, the block talking is a crossbencher

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stuarta:

the Earl or Erroll

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** stuarta is actually testing his hacking.... **

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stuarta:

ooo 6 ppl in the lords....

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stuarta:

now they are talking crap....

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scopeuk:

stuarta im not suppirsed

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scopeuk:

judging by the state of computer legislation in the uk

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scopeuk:

andthe uk's it infrastructure

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scopeuk:

both of which need government intervention

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stuarta:

i was surprised when i heard sensible words!

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seth|laptop:

is there a way to edit the descriptions associated with a recorded program

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Hoxzer:

Lol, I just heard some serious shit :D if you turn this 10/11/6 it comes 9/11/01

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Hoxzer:

*turn around (aargh I make way too much misstakes today)

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stuarta:

and there is another plane in a building in NYC.....

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scopeuk:

we heard

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seth|laptop:

yes, small plane, took out a few apartments

[20:29:14]

scopeuk:

lol jsut noticed my sister is in my room at home

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seth|laptop:

er flats

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kash:

what does it look like when scantv finds a channel?

[20:29:26]

kash:

like this:

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kash:

54 (403.25 MHz): ???

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kash:

[unknown (54)]

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kash:

channel = 54

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scopeuk:

seth|laptop there =='s

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kash:

?

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seth|laptop:

I was in London in 1990, but I was not really there, hehe

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netrix:

Juski: it was the freq. tables!

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scopeuk:

yay another problem solved

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Juski:

how many beers does this channel owe me now?

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scopeuk:

quite a few

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Juski:

(joking btw.. I can't handle my beer)

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netrix:

wierd tho... us-cable-irc seems to be the one, and it looks good on the phillips tuners but is grainy on the samsung tuners on the other card.

[20:39:37]

scopeuk:

Juski your not the only one

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Juski:

netrix: samsung tuners need a patch to the v4l tuner module IIRC

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scopeuk:

imho the sooner peopel acknolage there limits rartehr thantryign to keep up wit hheavier drinkers the better

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netrix:

Juksi: really ... guess i gotta find that patch.

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netrix:

is it a patch for ivtv for v4l?

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Juski:

scopeuk: oh I can keep up with the best of em.. just needs tactical chundering.. which is pretty much a waste of money so I stopped doing that about 17 years ago

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scopeuk:

yeh ive never been much of a drinker

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Juski:

netrix: yeah.. it's mentioned on the ivtv ml

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Juski:

right.. time to go. g'night all

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scopeuk:

night Juski

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netrix:

thanks for your help Juski! seeya.

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aboutblank:

hello.. nubbie here

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scopeuk:

ok bad start but we can cope whats up

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scopeuk:

?

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aboutblank:

lol

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kormoc:

yeah... am I the only one who hates it when people say nubbie or the like? newbie was bad enough, but this nub stuff...

[20:47:21]

** kormoc shudders **

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aboutblank:

well i just got mythtv all set up, and i have a few problems.. if i got manage recordings and tell it to "start transcoding".... it just sits in the job queue and never does anything

[20:47:48]

aboutblank:

like i recorded a show, then it automagically did commercial detection

[20:48:27]

aboutblank:

and i'm trying to setup automagical commercial removal, so i got the script and put it as a user job, but it just sits in the queue

[20:48:37]

Basstard`:

ok, for how long have people used 'automagically' as a word?

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aboutblank:

meh

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Basstard`:

'tis a question, not a complaint

[20:49:26]

aboutblank:

and when you select a show and do "begin transcode" what exactly is that doing?

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scopeuk:

Basstard` a very long time

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stuarta:

friggin adsl router....

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scopeuk:

have you tried kicking it yet works wonder swith my crappy cable router

[20:52:36]

stuarta:

nah, just have to keep rebooting the bastard....

[20:52:53]

scopeuk:

yeh i have to dothat with mine

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brad_mssw:

aboutblank: to get the transcoding to work, I had to configure my transcoders to NOT use RJPEG ... and it started working after that

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scopeuk:

go for the holiday lamp timer technique

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scopeuk:

5 mins off at 5 am each day

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stuarta:

no help when it drops out at lunchtime :(

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brad_mssw:

aboutblank: exhibited roughly the same behavior as you're seeing with default settings

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scopeuk:

stuarta does it do that regardless of how long it is since it was last rebooted?

[20:54:05]

scopeuk:

and i knwo how annoying it is when mine goes out i lose conenction to my server and cant fix the issue as im 50 miles away

[20:54:19]

stuarta:

nah, it's when the SNR on the inbound goes to low.

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scopeuk:

fair neough

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scopeuk:

mine jsut locks up for the fun of it

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stuarta:

seems to be incapable of retraining to a slower speed with a better SNR

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stuarta:

POS

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scopeuk:

lol

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stuarta:

might have to fork out for a decent one.

[20:57:01]

scopeuk:

that thoguht had crossed my mind once or twice then i figured a decent switch and one ofmy old boxes whould be cheacper and offer better features/performance

[20:57:40]

stuarta:

tempted by a draytek, but they are around £150

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scopeuk:

yeh

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stuarta:

alternatively a decent ADSL ethernet modem and a small embedded firewall

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jeffmeden:

so am i better off spending $15 on a CATV amp or $100 on a good tuner card to improve my picture quality

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netrix:

does anyone know where i can get the ivtv patch from samsung tumers from?

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SkaFreak:

Hey everyone, I am trying to setup mythtv on my computer, but the frontend can't connect to the backend for some reason. They are running on the same computer, and I have it set to local host and have started the backend

[21:08:02]

SkaFreak:

any ideas what the problem might be

[21:08:16]

jeffmeden:

does the backend start with no errors

[21:08:41]

jeffmeden:

localhost can be a fickle mistress

[21:09:00]

jeffmeden:

i had trouble with that too

[21:09:08]

SkaFreak:

yeah, no errors

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jeffmeden:

and you can see in a netstat that its listening on the right ports

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SkaFreak:

what ports does it need again?

[21:11:23]

jeffmeden:

6542 and 6544 right

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jeffmeden:

erm

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jeffmeden:

just 6543

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jeffmeden:

i think

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stuarta:

6544

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jeffmeden:

huh

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SkaFreak:

do I just run netstat to do that? I don't know much about networking

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jeffmeden:

tcp 0 0 localhost.localdomain:6543 localhost.localdomain:43135 ESTABLISHED

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jeffmeden:

theres my back/front connection

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stuarta:

and 6543

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jeffmeden:

netstat -a to show all and look at the first block of output

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SkaFreak:

no

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jeffmeden:

i see 6544 open but whats it for?

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xris:

jeffmeden: that's the backend/frontend connection

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xris:

6543 is the web interface

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xris:

for status and upnp

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SkaFreak:

first block of netstat -a only has mysql and irc

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jeffmeden:

SkaFreak: so its not opening the ports eh

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SkaFreak:

apparently

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SkaFreak:

any ideas on the solution?

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jeffmeden:

im trying to remember what my problem was at first

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jeffmeden:

run setup again?

[21:19:07]

SkaFreak:

setup won't connect

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jeffmeden:

naturally

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jeffmeden:

so the backend is actually running?

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jeffmeden:

it doesnt die mysteriously

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SkaFreak:

not that I can tell

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SkaFreak:

it at least pretends that it is

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jeffmeden:

whats in the log

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jeffmeden:

No setting found for this machine's BackendServerIP. <- this is what i saw when it didnt work

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stuarta:

did you set an ip or did you try and use a name?

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SkaFreak:

ok, what log are we looking at?

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netrix:

is pvr_1.18.21.22301_inf.zip the latest version of the firmware?

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jeffmeden:

the only log, /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log

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SkaFreak:

2006-10–11 15:20:12.865 Using runtime prefix = /usr

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SkaFreak:

2006-10–11 15:20:12.878 New DB connection, total: 1

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SkaFreak:

2006-10–11 15:20:12.881 Unable to connect to database!

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SkaFreak:

2006-10–11 15:20:12.881 Driver error was [1/2005]:

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SkaFreak:

QMYSQL3: Unable to connect

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SkaFreak:

Database error was:

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SkaFreak:

Unknown MySQL server host 'Deep-Thought' (1)

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SkaFreak:

QSqlQuery::exec: database not open

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SkaFreak:

QSqlQuery::exec: database not open

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SkaFreak:

2006-10–11 15:20:12.936 DB Error (KickDatabase):

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SkaFreak:

Query was:

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SkaFreak:

SELECT NULL;

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SkaFreak:

the directory and that file are writeable by this user.

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stuarta:

argh!!!! use a pastebin!!!!

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SkaFreak:

sorry

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aboutblank:

wow

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aboutblank:

jeez dude c'mon

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stuarta:

use an ip address not a hostname

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aboutblank:

so i have LIRC working and "irw" works, but myth doesn't respond to my remote.. is there a setting?

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jeffmeden:

aboutblank: the .lircrc file to map the mapping to the other mappnig

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jeffmeden:

no i'm not kidding

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SkaFreak:

where should I change that

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aboutblank:

what the...

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SkaFreak:

I've tried like 4 different places

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SkaFreak:

using localhost, my hostname, or 127.0.0.1

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SkaFreak:

and none of them have worked

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jeffmeden:

aboutblank: .lircrc is usually in the users home dir, it maps the names of the codes you mapped in lircd.conf to the key controls of the functions mapped in the mythtv front end

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SkaFreak:

in my mysql.txt it is 127.0.0.1, not the name

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kormoc:

jeffmeden, keep in mind, myth doesn't use ~/.lircrc, it uses ~/.mythtv/lircrc

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SkaFreak:

so I don't know why it is trying to connect to the hostname instead of the ip

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jeffmeden:

kormoc: it depends on your implementation

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jeffmeden:

you could .lircrc -> /home/mythtv/.mythtv/lircrc and not care either way

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aboutblank:

can't i just symlink the mapping?

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kormoc:

jeffmeden, sure, but that doesn't change the fact that likely you should tell people that when talking about myth's implimentation

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jeffmeden:

i'm no expert, i just know what works for me

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jeffmeden:

heh

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kormoc:

Skaface, you sure you don't have any other mysql.txt files laying around?

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SkaFreak:

well doesn't it always default to your home directory?

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aboutblank:

this is extremely aggrevating.. WHY does a job just sit in the Job Queue (only one!) and never ever executes?

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kormoc:

Skaface, not sure, I don't use the home dir ones personally, I use /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt

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SkaFreak:

I don't have one there

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SkaFreak:

wait..

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SkaFreak:

yeah, I have one one dir deeper, but it isn't set to my hostname

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jeffmeden:

aboutblank: check the log?

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aboutblank:

jeffmeden: which log

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kormoc:

Skaface, that's freaky then, really freaky

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aboutblank:

or rather, where is the myth log? not in /var/log

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Juski:

scopeuk: just nipped back in for 5... tell stuarta I know of a trick to reboot the adsl router

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jeffmeden:

*the* log /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log

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jeffmeden:

unless theres some other more official log that i dont know about

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SkaFreak:

I may have fixed it

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Juski:

get an X10 mains control module & the PC interface, then have a cron job ping the router at 10 min intervals... if there's no response, cycle its power with the X10 control module :)

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aboutblank:

jeffmeden: /var/log/mythtv does not exist on my setup?

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Juski:

aboutblank: just stop the backend daemon & run mythbackend in a terminal

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jeffmeden:

aboutblank: bummer, maybe brute find or locate?

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Juski:

jeffmeden: the init scripts I've seen sometimes don't enable logging

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Juski:

aboutblank: do other jobs run?

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aboutblank:

Juski: i've only ever had one job run – that was a commercial flagging on the first recording

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aboutblank:

i tried to transcode and commercial flag this second recording, and no jobs execute.

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Juski:

aboutblank: then maybe jobs are scheduled to run at certain times.. you should check that

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aboutblank:

where is that setting?

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aboutblank:

mythtv-setup?

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Juski:

in mythfrontend > utils/setup > setup > general IIRC

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aboutblank:

not as far as i can see

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jeffmeden:

if you do a ps axv | grep mythback it will show the flags and maybe indicate where the log is

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aboutblank:

jeffmeden: i've been running mythbackend just in a terminal, so all output should be there right? no errors.

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Juski:

aboutblank: maybe -v jobs ?

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jeffmeden:

yeah most likely

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aboutblank:

Juski: sorry? i'm not sure what you meant by that.

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jeffmeden:

i thought jobs ran asap unless they were deferred

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Juski:

aboutblank: must be in mythtv-setup then

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jeffmeden:

how did you issue this transcode job? the frontend?

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aboutblank:

yes.

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Juski:

aboutblank: you can issue different verbosity options

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aboutblank:

and i setup the user job for commercial removal – http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Script_-_RemoveCommercials – which doesn't execute either

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aboutblank:

oh! duh. i gotcha

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aboutblank:

k in mythtv-setup max simultaneous jobs: 1 ; job queue check freq: 60 sec; job queue time : 0:00 – 23:59 ; cpu: low ; allow commercial detection jobs: check; allow transcoding jobs: check; allow user job 1: (just checked)

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galorin:

myth has crapped out on me, not sure what to do about it. When I try to start the backend, I get an error saying that there is no setting for the BackendServer IP and to run setup. I run mythtv-setup and change the setting, but to no effect.

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Juski:

galorin: root full?

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aboutblank:

galorion: mysql DB corrupt? dump and check

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kormoc:

dump and check? why not just log into it and check?

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aboutblank:

same thing :P

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aboutblank:

i meant to go directly to mysql and not try to use myth

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galorin:

Juski, nope, fixed that earlier in the week.

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Juski:

galorin: if / gets full it can screw the db

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Juski:

been there, done that

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aboutblank:

alright now the job is finally running.

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galorin:

Juski, plenty of free space. I'm checking mysql

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Juski:

righty... now it's bedtime. g'night

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aboutblank:

night

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galorin:

ok, let's try this again...

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aboutblank:

how can i change the default post processing actions?

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galorin:

ok, that worked, got my DB back. However I can't skip forward in the program it was recording when things went to heck

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galorin:

and I wanted to catch the end of wire in the blood...

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GreyFoxx:

s

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galorin:

:S annoying

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gr8nash:

hi all.. anyone know howto delete tv recorded stuff from the DB.. i lost my hard drive and so it doenst have the actual files

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gr8nash:

and it wont let me delete it from the database through the frontend

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gr8nash:

?

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Ibeam:

hi folks, i'm still having some audio problems

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Ibeam:

using the analog tuner (the digital ones work perfectly) the audio stops after a while

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Ibeam:

it's not the backend, since there is nothing wrong with the recorded programs, nor anything in the logs

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WAR_CH|LD:

anyone using latest svn?

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WAR_CH|LD:

none of the ovlume controls seems to work whne playing dvd's. :0

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WAR_CH|LD:

also in mythdvd I no longer have the option to transcode stuff. :(

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Ibeam:

I'm currently running the frontend with -v audio, yet wouldn't you know when i'm actually trying to find the problem i can't make the problem reccur

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Ibeam:

the audio is patched via the line-in of the soundcard...

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** Ibeam shrugs and scratches head **

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nasa:

Hi, I am trying to get firewire to work... I got "firewire_tester -p -n 0 -r 5" to return 5 successes. I made sure mythtv-setup, sources has the correct settings. When I try to watch live tv (i know something is working because my other tv connections die) it tries for a couple of seconds and then quits

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nasa:

the errors I see are: ringbuf ....mpg Invalid file (fd -1) when opening ...mpg

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regicide666:

I get the same thing nasa

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regicide666:

what box are you using.

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regicide666:

?

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nasa:

I am using the box from comcast

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nasa:

sa3250hd

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regicide666:

Mine is an 8300hd from timewarner but I get the same problem

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regicide666:

have you noticed if the channel change is working

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nasa:

no, I haven't tried it out yet

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nasa:

hold on

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regicide666:

even after mine craps out I find that the channel change did work

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nasa:

Could not find SA3250HD on the 1394 bus.

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nasa:

what did you use to change channels?

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regicide666:

mythtv did it

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nasa:

I tried the sa3250hd_ch script — the previous post is what it tells me....

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regicide666:

I think I have it set as a sa3250hd in mythtv

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nasa:

how did you change channels with mythtv if you never got livetv to work?

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regicide666:

well it changes channel and I can tell because I have it hooked up with svideo to a differn't tuner

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fuffalo:

i'm setting up knoppmyth, and it's semi working, i have a problem tho, i must have put in the wrong wireless information when it asked about my network, how do i get back into this screen to fix my networking

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regicide666:

it just fails to get an mpeg2 file it can use

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regicide666:

It fails to get one it can use from test-mpeg2 also

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nasa:

regicide666: when you try livetv, how long does it stay on livetv before it falls back to the main menu?

[23:02:48]

regicide666:

I have been able to get some from test-mpeg2 a few times but mostly it doesn't work

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regicide666:

I think a second or 2

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regicide666:

or 3

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regicide666:

not very long but not very quick

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regicide666:

I have not tried in a few days

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nasa:

where did you get test-mpeg2? I know http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/FireWire talks about it, but I can't find it

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nasa:

fuffalo: mythtv-setup

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regicide666:

I had to build it

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regicide666:

it comes with a 1394 package let me see what it is

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regicide666:

what distro do you use

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nasa:

mandriva

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regicide666:

it is in the libiec61883 package

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Mattwj2005:

hey guys :)

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regicide666:

i use gentoo and just emerged it

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nasa:

ok, let me see if I can find it

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regicide666:

you can find it at http://www.linux1394.org/

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metalac:

so i replaced a sempron 2800 with a64 3400 and I'm still using 100% of cpu when i watch HD

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metalac:

it's driving me nuts

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Skaag:

hey guys I need some advice to setup my box to properly view full screen videos on my TV which is right-of my computer screen (nvidia with twinview), right now when I set Full-Screen on mplayer or totem, it stretches to both displays

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** nasa isn't far enough along to worry about cpu usage.... **

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metalac:

nasa: what's the prob?

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nasa:

regicide666 and I are trying to get our firewire setups to work

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nasa:

Hi, I am trying to get firewire to work... I got "firewire_tester -p -n 0 -r 5" to return 5 successes. I made sure mythtv-setup, sources has the correct settings. When I try to watch live tv (i know something is working because my other tv connections die) it tries for a couple of seconds and then quits

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regicide666:

yea so far not to much luck

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nasa:

the errors I see are: ringbuf ....mpg Invalid file (fd -1) when opening ...mpg

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metalac:

did you use test-mpeg ?

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** nasa lets regicide666 answer that **

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regicide666:

I have gotten test-mpeg to work but not always make a working mpeg2

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regicide666:

mplayer says it can't find the stream

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metalac:

well the way to check is to see if filesize is 0

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metalac:

if filesize is non 0 then you're ok

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regicide666:

yea I know

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regicide666:

and it isn't

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metalac:

then you should be ok

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metalac:

if mplayer is not opening it might be a codec issue with mplayer

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regicide666:

my firwire box is also a dvr and if I time test-mpeg with starting to play a recorded file I get the working mpg file

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regicide666:

but if not it does not work

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metalac:

hmmm

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metalac:

no clue

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regicide666:

I have only been able to get live tv with test-mpeg a few times

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metalac:

i had bunch of issues with mine, but i ironed them out

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regicide666:

mplayer says ts file format detected but then fails with no strewam found

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regicide666:

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nasa:

metalac: did you notice that the bottom of the wiki mentions about high cpu usage with some firewire setups

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metalac:

nasa: which wiki/

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nasa:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/FireWire

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regicide666:

also says "NO VIDEO! NO AUDIO!, NO SUBS (yet)!

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regicide666:

"

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metalac:

hmmmm my problems seems to be mythtv or X related since those 2 show up as using most cpu

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metalac:

yeah because non HD stuff over firewire works fine

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nasa:

ok, just making sure you saw it.

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regicide666:

I had problems when I used a 2 Ghz p4 but I upgraded to an AMD64 X2 4200+

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regicide666:

no more problems with HD

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metalac:

well there is people here using XP 2500s just fine

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metalac:

so no clue what's up with my setup

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nasa:

libiec61883 warning: No plugs exist on either node; using default broadcast channel 63. <-- from test-mpeg2

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metalac:

nasa: i've seen that before, but i think it should be ok

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regicide666:

I think I get the same thing

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nasa:

well, that still = a 0 size file...

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regicide666:

oh no I don't

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regicide666:

I get "Overlayed connection on channel 0.

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regicide666:

You may need to manually set the channel on the receiving node.

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regicide666:

Starting to receive"

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nasa:

man, we aren't doing so well figuring this out.... :{

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regicide666:

I have been working on it for a week

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regicide666:

I just about have givven up

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fuffalo:

anyoen here have experience setting up knoppmyth networking(wireless)? I must have screwed up a setting during the install, and now there's no way to get back to those screens to set it up again :(

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regicide666:

you just sparked my interest in it again

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regicide666:

what is the problem fuffalo

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fuffalo:

my networking is not setup and does not work.

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fuffalo:

I need to get back into their networking script so i can set it up.

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regicide666:

I am not sure bout knoppmyth scripts but I know a bit about wireless

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fuffalo:

is there an easy method to get it up and running?

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regicide666:

I don't use mine much but it only takes a few commands usually

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Ibeam:

the reported output when the audio stops is ... during the function call SetEffDsp

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Ibeam:

then it hits the output with a continious stream of "NVP: AddAudioData():p1: Audio buffer overflow, audio data lost"

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Ibeam:

would changing the recording profile audio sampling rate, or the backend tuner settings (sampling rate) fix this problem?

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Ibeam:

someone?

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regicide666:

sorry don't know

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SkaFreak:

should there be any difference between running the mythbackend init script and just running mythbackend?

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kormoc:

no

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SkaFreak:

hrm...then something is terribly wrong with my installation

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SharksRule:

knoppmyth!

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BULLE:

SkaFreak: that depends a bit on the init script i would say

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BULLE:

SkaFreak: check what flags the initscript passes to mythbackend at start

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Ibeam:

SkaFreak: the init script .... what BULLE said

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