Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Sunday, October 1st, 2006, 00:00 UTC

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** Juski yawns **

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Paladine:

I repliedno, he is a biped

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KaZeR:

wow.

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KaZeR:

:)

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Paladine:

as in 2 legs and humanoid

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Paladine:

as opposed to round :p

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KaZeR:

it's 2 am here, i've been up for 19hours, please forgive me :)

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Juski:

biped implies only 2 legs

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Paladine:

it was a lame joke but I just spent the last 5 hours shredding 10 garbage sacks of paper

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** Juski curses his pedantic-ness **

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** Paladine just puts juski on ignore **

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Juski:

Paladine: why didn't you just set fire to it?

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KaZeR:

Paladine, everyone has its own way of having fun :)

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Paladine:

because burning 10 sacks of paper is not good for the environment

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Paladine:

shredding them and sending them to a recycling facility is far better

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Juski:

you could argue that the bleaching involved in recycling isn't good for the environment either

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Paladine:

you cold, Iwouldn't

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Paladine:

s/cold/could

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KaZeR:

ok, bloody ffmpeg exporting 1 – KaZeR 0. enough for tonight.

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KaZeR:

good night, pals!

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Juski:

I'd like to see some figures relating to how much good recycling _actually_ does

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Juski:

just out of curiousity

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Juski:

night KaZeR

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Juski:

FYI I'm not a debunker of global warming, I just have to question the practicality of recycling.. all the energy used recycling stuff etc.. is it better on balance or just better because we're putting less in landfill hmm? ;)

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Juski:

like RoHS compliance means using lead-free solder, which has a higher melting point than old leaded solder.. more energy, bad.. (etc)

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Paladine:

well there is a lot of info out there, use your brain and go find it :p

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Juski:

I don't trust the interweb thingy

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Paladine:

more energy is only bad if you are using non sustainable fuel

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Juski:

too much posturing

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Juski:

true

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Juski:

I'll go look for solar powered recycling plants then

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hads:

Hydro electricity.

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siXy:

juski – that depends where the energy comes from tho – if its solar power for example, then more energy != bad

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siXy:

meh 3 ppl make the same point :(

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Juski:

we're not too big on renewable energy in the UK. nobody wants wind-farms in their backyard.. or big dams, or anything else

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Paladine:

actually I have no objections to wind or tidal power

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Juski:

and solar panels! yeesh! how they spoil the view for the neighbours

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Paladine:

both of which exist in my local area

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siXy:

thats becuase wind farms in the uk are a waste of time... all the wind farms in the world if located in the uk would prived less than half the energy we use

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Paladine:

sixy, that depends where they are

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hads:

Yeah, .nz is lucky as we have lots of space and landscape that lends itself well to hydro electric damns etc.

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siXy:

the uk is not a great country for wind power

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Paladine:

our local wind farm provides reasonable contirbution to our local grid

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Juski:

I'd move to NZ given half the chance (i.e. wife approval), but most of my workmates feel the same

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BULLE:

siXy: it is

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Paladine:

but then I live on the north west coast, we get high winds here

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BULLE:

siXy: it has lots of coast

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siXy:

we would be best off putting oslar power in the sahara desert and paying rent to the african countries

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BULLE:

siXy: its generaly a very good idea to put windfarms a few kilometers out from the coast

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Paladine:

we also have tidal power contributing to our local grid

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siXy:

have you been to the uk? :) the least dependable weather in the world :)

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BULLE:

yes i have been to the uk

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Juski:

nah it's not that bad... ermm I mean it's dependably bad

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Paladine:

also on the solder point, you get cold soldering irons now, which use up much much much less power than traditional irons

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Juski:

if they could harness rain power... that'd do us in manchester

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siXy:

juski – just stick them all in wales tbh :)

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siXy:

and if they could harness fog as well......

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Juski:

Paladine: but how soldering processes work... they have big ovens... no contact heating

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Paladine:

juski, I use lead free solder and a col soldering iron

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Paladine:

I don'[t use an oven

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Paladine:

cold

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Juski:

actually ovens with a conveyor belt.. I'm talking about _production_

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Paladine:

you never specified production at all

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Paladine:

you just said lead free solder

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Paladine:

siXy last I checked the raw materials used for making solar panels is toxic and non biodegradeable

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Juski:

now who's being pedantic?

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siXy:

well i dont want to degrade them – i want to use them.... if they degrade thats counter-productive

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siXy:

make them last instead

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siXy:

plus that boost the economies of poorer countries, which is another good thing

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Juski:

try getting a politician to agree to that though.. is there anything in it for him?

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siXy:

yes if you stand right next to him with a big stick

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** Juski goes back to watching the compiler. so much for getting rid of gentoo :-P **

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siXy:

yeah i ditched gentoo on the basis that i had more prodcutive things to do with my time than watch compilers

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Juski:

I got some packages installed, but the protocol versions don't agree :-|

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Juski:

bad, naughty packager guy

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siXy:

:)

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siXy:

why are you subjecting yourself to this madness?

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Juski:

cos I want dvb radio

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Juski:

aswell as mythtv ;)

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Juski:

0.19-fixes works just fine & dandy here, and being in the position I hold I'm kind of obliged to run 0.20

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siXy:

no dice with fedora/kubuntu?

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Juski:

I really don't mind building it myself.. not something I'll have to do every day

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Juski:

from what I've seen & heard about fedora I think I'd not like it much

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Juski:

so umbongo will do for me

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BULLE:

i use fedora for mythtv

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BULLE:

was a very easy install, in comparison to a gentoo install

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siXy:

heh :) fedora is a pain in the ass, and is rubbish for compiling stuff, but somehow it just works for me

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Juski:

no way! I have 'no' references to xvmc in config.mak yet it's still failed to build with 'undefined reference to XvMCLoadQmatrix'

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Juski:

whoops.. I _still_ have CONFIG_MPEG_XVMC_DECODER=yes... but I said ./configure --enable-dvb --disable-xvmc

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BULLE:

siXy: oh yes, if you want to watch compiler output go by all day long, gentoo is definitively teh way to go =)

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Juski:

arghhh!

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Anduin:

Juski: It is probably because you went to sleep hours ago.

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siXy:

if it was just the once i wouldnt mind but recompiling on every update.....

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Juski:

anyone here using hamsta's packages with dvb & ivtv?

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Juski:

Anduin: I have the config stuff still in my terminal window.. it says disabled & I definitely told configure to disable it, yet there it is in config.mak

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Anduin:

Juski: Yeah, --disable-xvmc has nothing to do with those bits you are finding in config.mak

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Juski:

so erm... how do I fix it then?

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Ibeam:

mythtv still isn't capturing the soundcards line-in , i followed the docs to the letter ( http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-7.html )

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Anduin:

Juski: My grep for your symbol is still going, --disable-decoder=xvmc would be worth trying

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Juski:

nope

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Anduin:

ah, M QMatrix

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Emigre:

Hello. I'm interested in getting a TV Tuner card, PCI or USB 2.0, that will work with MythTV and Windows Media Center Edition. Perferably, I'd like two tuners on one card (I only have on free PCI slot)

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Juski:

Ibeam: set the audio mixer to record the line input then test it with a sound recorder app

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Juski:

Emigre: Hauppauge pvr500

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Anduin:

Juski: Yeah, I don't see how what you are seeing is possible.

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Ibeam:

i'm going through the audio trouble shooting section again (after catching some Zzz)

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Anduin:

Juski: Maybe this is all just a bad dream

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Emigre:

Juski: Is this the card you're referring to? : http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16815116628

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BULLE:

Emigre: hauppauge wintv pvr 500

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BULLE:

Emigre: they work nicely in linux, and work in win mce aswell

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Juski:

Emigre: yes

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siXy:

emigre – whitebox models dont have remotes

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Juski:

Anduin: I wish

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Emigre:

SiXy, can remotes be ordered seperately from the manufacturer?

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Juski:

you can buy an MCE remote pack which will work in windows & linux IIRC

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BULLE:

Juski: will the new MCE remote work nowadays ?

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Juski:

not 100% sure

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BULLE:

Juski: was some time since i looked at the MCE remot epack, and back then only the old remote was working in linux, and all i could find was the new remote pack

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Juski:

$deity!!! wtf is up with this box?

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siXy:

emigre – no, but the streamzap remote is cheap and good

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Anduin:

Juski: That function is only called from xvmcvldvideo.c which is only included when using_xvmc_vld is present

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Juski:

Anduin: what if I wiped out the config.mak file then?

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Anduin:

Juski: You can always delete config.mak (and even the real file it points to) (disclean does, for example)

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Juski:

did that, but after running configure, config.mak has XVMC stuff = yes

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Anduin:

Juski: It would be interesting to see the link line that makes libmythavcodec

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Juski:

what might be easier is stopping the thing failing on xvmc anyway.. regardless

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Anduin:

Juski: Yes, that is just the decoder=yes stuff, which is always there

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Juski:

gonna pastebin the error now

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Anduin:

Juski: --disable-xvmc-vld

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Juski:

I did

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Juski:

http://www.pastebin.ca/187358

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Anduin:

Juski: can you pastebin your config.mak as well?

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Juski:

just installing ccache now

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Juski:

didn't think I'd need it. now I think i do

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Anduin:

Juski: That is a paste from too late, the interesting part would be back when it was linking libmythavcodec

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Juski:

Anduin: my scrollback doesn't go back far enough

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Anduin:

Juski: do you have xvmcvldvideo.o in lib/libavcodec?

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siXy:

juski cant cat the output to a file?

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Juski:

siXy: not retrospectively, no

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xris:

anyone want my hand me down huge 10G drive? ;)

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** Anduin already has a way to stop doors **

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siXy:

well yeah i kinda didnt mean retrospectively :)

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Juski:

sixy.. >

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Juski:

or tee, so yeah I know

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Juski:

Anduin: looking for that now

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** siXy realises that means juski has to repeat the whole compile and shuts up fast **

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Mattwj2005:

hey guys

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Anduin:

Juski: would still be nice to get a config.mak pastebin

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FairWtns:

Can anyone assist me with a crossover link question?

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Juski:

Anduin: yeah I can do that

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Mattwj2005:

how is everyone doing this evening?

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J-e-f-f-A:

FairWtns: What kind of crossover link — a network crossover cable?

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simcop2387:

is it possible to make all future versions of mythtv not record "Lunatics Unleashed" that has to be one of the worst Sat. morning cartoon shows ever

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Mattwj2005:

what is it about simcop?

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J-e-f-f-A:

simcop2387: Who's up on Saturday morning to watch them? ;-)

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simcop2387:

Mattwj2005: it's a bastardization of the Loony Toons characters, giving them super powers and putting them into the future

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Mattwj2005:

lol

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Mattwj2005:

nice :-P

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Juski:

Anduin: http://pastebin.ca/187366

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simcop2387:

its horrible

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Mattwj2005:

new series I take it?

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FairWtns:

J-e-f-f-A: Yep.

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Juski:

Anduin: just done a find ./ -iname "xvmcvld" from / and found nothing

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FairWtns:

I'm setting up a hardwired connection between a new frontend and the backend.

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simcop2387:

Mattwj2005: somewhat new i think it started during the summer and i forgot about it

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Mattwj2005:

nice

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Anduin:

Juski: You would need a wildcard at the end, or just a full search for xvmcvldvideo.o

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Mattwj2005:

It probably won

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Mattwj2005:

't make it to Christmas :)

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FairWtns:

It seems like everything is happy, but I know I'm going to have to meddle with mythbackend's setting for ip address. I still want to be able to access via wireless (192.168.0.100) but would like the new frontend to get there via the wired (192.168.0.2)

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J-e-f-f-A:

FairWtns: Simple... pairs are 1&2, 3&6 — Just 'swap' them on the other end, so 1,2 go to 3,6 and 3,6 go to 1,2. I'll find a link to a pic for ya... one min...

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** Juski always thought iname searched for the string within filenames... **

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Mattwj2005:

anyone have a working pvr-150?

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simcop2387:

Mattwj2005: probably not, but i haven't seen such a bad show lately, and i do

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xris:

Mattwj2005: I do. it's not plugged into anything at the moment, though

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xris:

oh, wait, I think I even lent it to a friend. heh.

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Mattwj2005:

oh okay

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FairWtns:

J-e-f-f-A: I made the cable, that's all fine and good.

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xris:

it does work, though.

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J-e-f-f-A:

FairWtns: So what's wrong? do you not have a link light on one end or the other?

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Mattwj2005:

yeah I get get Knoppmyth to pick up any channels on it...it appears to reconize the card but it doesn't pick up any channels

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FairWtns:

It's the software that's tricky. Each box can connect to each other via the new eth0 addresses, but since they both also have wireless I can't tell if the higher speed link is being used between them. From eyeballing file transfers, it doesn't really look that way.

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xris:

FairWtns: route -n ?

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simcop2387:

Mattwj2005: have you tried manually with mplayer and ivtv-tune?

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Mattwj2005:

ivtv-tune reconizes it

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Mattwj2005:

I haven't tried mplayer though

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J-e-f-f-A:

FairWtns: So you're using a hard-wired connection for myth, and a wired connection for internet?

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FairWtns:

xris: Never used it, always used traceroute before, which I don't have on the ubuntu box.

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Juski:

Anduin: I refined the search.. and I have ./usr/lib/libviaXvMC.so

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Mattwj2005:

*ivtv-detect reconizes it

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FairWtns:

Should it be (from frontend address A): route -n <address b>?

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simcop2387:

Mattwj2005: hmm

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Anduin:

Juski: You use a /usr prefix (instead of the default, /usr/local)?

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J-e-f-f-A:

route

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xris:

FairWtns: that should just list the default routes, etc.

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J-e-f-f-A:

oops...

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Anduin:

never mind, no you don't

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Juski:

Anduin: I dunno

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FairWtns:

xris: Aaaah the routing 'tables'. I haven't messed with these much. I'll post the results of those for both systems on the pastebin. Doesn't look like they're being utilized...

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Anduin:

Juski: ls -l /usr/lib/libmyth*

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Juski:

Anduin: nothing about xvmc in there fella

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Anduin:

Juski: Yeah, was looking for libmythavcodec

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Anduin:

Juski: basically given your prefix, anything libmyth in there is an error

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Juski:

ahh

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Anduin:

Juski: I'm mostly certain it is there (given your error messages), basically it isn't linking against the lib you built but rather against whatever is there.

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** xris really appreciates those belgians for music and fried food. **

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FairWtns:

xris: http://pastebin.ca/187370

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Juski:

Anduin: thanks. deleted libmyth* in there

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Mattwj2005:

how would I test my pvr-150 with myplayer?

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Mattwj2005:

mplayer /dev/video0 ?

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Juski:

so now should I really stop the compile & kick it off again Anduin?

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FairWtns:

So now I need to somehow add a route from 192.168.0.188 to 192.168.0.2 and vice-versa? Shall I explore the man-pages of route for this? And will those changes be permanent?

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Juski:

sod it – make clean here I go

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xris:

FairWtns: yeah, that'll go out the wireless.

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Anduin:

Juski: I wouldn't

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xris:

"gateway" is the operative word you're looking for.

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xris:

are those boxes the only two boxes on the wired network?

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FairWtns:

Gawd you guys are a big help. 4 hours of inet crawling and in 5 minutes you guys have it almost solved.

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Juski:

Anduin: too late. anyway.. why not?

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FairWtns:

xris: Yes, they're connected via crossover cables.

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xris:

FairWtns: the simplest solution is to just set up a different network for them.

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FairWtns:

I still want the wireless on each to be used for the external net though.

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Anduin:

Juski: lazy, really you should have just been able to delete those files and do 'make' and been done.

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FairWtns:

xris: I like simple. Tell me more....

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J-e-f-f-A:

FairWtns, xris: Yeah, that's what I was going to say...

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Juski:

ah

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xris:

use 192.168.2.0/255.255.255.0 or 10.0.0.0/255.255.255.0

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Juski:

well Anduin this way I'll be sure ;)

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Juski:

I can always leave it simmerring overnight

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xris:

FairWtns: manual IP assignment. You make one machine the gateway for the other.

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Anduin:

Juski: Yup, only time, and now with ccache less when it fails again.

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xris:

actually, I don't think you even need to do that.

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xris:

FairWtns: just manually assign 192.168.2.100 to one and 192.168.2.101 to the other

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xris:

set the netmask to 255.255.255.0 and it *should* work (I don't think I forgot anything — been awhile since I've set up an ad hoc network)

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FairWtns:

This all sounds perfectly logical. Let me see if I can wrestle ifconfig to do that..

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J-e-f-f-A:

xris, FairWtns: xris is right on the money...

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** xris really needs to get rid of this pile of spare computers soon.... **

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siXy:

xris i dont suppose any of them are sun t1 machines?

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** J-e-f-f-A also needs to get rid of 'spare' computers... PII's and such... **

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xris:

siXy: no. old p3 going to my inlaws, a mac for my dad, and one that already belongs to him that needs an upgrade.

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siXy:

didnt really think so – spare high end sun servers are generally hard to come by :)

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FairWtns:

While ifconfig and I are fighting, now what do I do about the backend setup? It has a 192.168.0.100 address. I know frontend's use this setting to find the backend (as I learned a while back). I suppose at the moment I could change that also, but I would still want in the future to be able to use wireless when I learn enough to make it work.

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J-e-f-f-A:

siXy: We've got an Enterprise 6500 or two that they're getting rid of at work...

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Juski:

frontends use the mysql server to find out where the backend lives, actually

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J-e-f-f-A:

FairWtns: Yeah, so go into mythtv-setup on your backend, and change it to your hardware nic's address.

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J-e-f-f-A:

(hardwired that is...)

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siXy:

jeffa – im in the middle of designing an app that could really use a 16-cored server to run on, and trying to find a way of cutting down on the potentially huge costs involved

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J-e-f-f-A:

FairWtns: Do you have any frontends that connect via wireless?

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siXy:

looks like im gonna have explore clustering, however

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Mattwj2005:

http://pastebin.ca/187376

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Mattwj2005:

this is what happens when I do a mplayer /dev/video0

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Mattwj2005:

I get static on the screen

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FairWtns:

J-e-f-f-A: I have one that I'm building now. I'm not sure if it's a viable option yet as wireless-G is fighting with me. Currently it "works" going from (backend) wireless-B down to the router, and back up via wireless-G. It's a tiny bit choppy. So I figure if I can find a way to do this same crossover set-up in a wireless fashion, it should be feasible.

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FairWtns:

Once I upgrade the rest to 11g that is.

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J-e-f-f-A:

FairWtns: That presents an issue though – you'll have to 'bridge' the networks on your backend so that the 192.168.0.x frontends (wireless) can see the 192.168.2.x backend (wired)

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FairWtns:

J-e-f-f-A: That sounds like an interesting challenge.

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J-e-f-f-A:

FairWtns: What would have been easier to do, and perhaps is the better way, is to hardwire your existing frontend into your router, so it will be on the '0' network. (instead of direct to your backend)

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J-e-f-f-A:

FairWtns: (Or do you only have a wireless connection to your router for your backend?)

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FairWtns:

J-e-f-f-A: Yes, unfortunately distance & physical matter are getting in my way there. The router is down one floor.

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FairWtns:

Yes, only fronted, wirelessG -> router -> backend, wirelessB. I know, I need to find cash desperately to this right.

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FairWtns:

s/to this/to do this

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J-e-f-f-A:

FairWtns: One way to remedy this is as such... Internet -> WirelessG -> 'Gaming' wireless adapter -> 10/100 switch -> Wired connections to backend & frontend.

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FairWtns:

I also need a test box so I don't have to be terrified of breaking the whole thing and have the gf go ballistic.

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Mattwj2005:

any ideas guys?

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FairWtns:

J-e-f-f-A: I've seen those, and thought about the possibility for a while. You're speaking of those little devices which take CAT5 in and transmit that via wireless?

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Juski:

well... time I hit the hay

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Juski:

g'night again

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flindet:

can I get 5.1 surround from mythtv?

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flindet:

if so, what soundcard do I need?

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J-e-f-f-A:

FairWtns: Yes – they convert a 'normal' network connection into a wireless connection. They used to be called "Wireless bridge"s, but now they're called "Gaming Adapters", as that's what they are prodominently used for.

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J-e-f-f-A:

FairWtns: Well, if you don't have a wireless only frontend now, you don't need to worry about it.

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FairWtns:

What I need to do is pony up some cash and buy a house so I can drill as many holes as need be.

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FairWtns:

Of course, then I would buy more frontends, and not have any money yet again. :)

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J-e-f-f-A:

FairWtns: There's other ways other than drilling holes... I've got a 100' cable running from downstairs to my living room temporarily (until I get in the attic and run a permanent cable in the wall...)

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FairWtns:

Does this sound feasible to do in my setup (from the frontend) ? "route add -net 192.168.2.100 netmask 255.255.255.0 gw 192.168.2.100 dev eth0"

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J-e-f-f-A:

FairWtns: If you changed your hardwired ip to 192.168.2.xxx, then you shouldn't need a route statement at all...

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J-e-f-f-A:

FairWtns: It's a seperate network. Look at the route -n output now — you should see it routed through the wired network now.

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FairWtns:

J-e-f-f-A: I've thought of that too, but it's a bit ugly. Since I'm still saving $$, I only have some old ridiculous blue CAT5, which is not only hideous but would need to cross floors or climb ceilings.

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J-e-f-f-A:

FairWtns: My 100' cable is yellow! ;-) They were throwing it out at work — brand-new, ni a sealed bag all nice... Hey, I'll go dumpster-diving any day for useful stuff!!!

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brian_:

have you guys seen the network over power stuff ?

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J-e-f-f-A:

brian_: Not personally — I hear it's pretty big in the UK though — still expensive here in the US.

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** FairWtns blushes as he admits his was "acquired" in a similar fashion. **

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FairWtns:

J-e-f-f-A: I could 'see' that if I understood what route was telling me. :)

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brian_:

yea, the netgear stuff is coming down in price

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brian_:

and getting faster

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brian_:

my buddies just got some of 'em. i'm waiting to hear how they work out.

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J-e-f-f-A:

brian_: Last time I looked into them here in the US, they were over $100 each, and only did 11mbps...

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J-e-f-f-A:

Fair

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brian_:

there was a blurb on wired or something about them going up to 200mb now

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brian_:

200mb advertised i'm sure

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brian_:

but at least well over 100

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FairWtns:

Oddly enough, I can ssh in via a terminal, but Nautilus is now dying, which it never did before...

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J-e-f-f-A:

FairWtns: (oops) — what you'll see is that to get to 192.168.2.x, it's going thru the wired ethernet, and to get everywhere else (0.0.0.0), it's going thru the wireless...

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J-e-f-f-A:

FairWtns: pastbin your route -n results again...

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FairWtns:

J-e-f-f-A: I will, as that is still confusing...

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xavier:

hey. i have directv and was wondering if myth tv could send commands over serial to my satelite reciever to change the channels

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FairWtns:

J-e-f-f-A: http://pastebin.ca/187386

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FairWtns:

Don't know why nautilus is being a PTA but CLI SSH works just dandy and seems at the proper speed...

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Anduin:

xavier: If you can find a utility to do it (a few are in contrib/channel_changers), otherwise you are stuck getting an ir blaster

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J-e-f-f-A:

FairWtns: You are addressing the backend by the 2.x address, right?

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siXy:

xavier – i dont know about directtv specifically, but that is not possible on all the boxes i have tried

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** FairWtns bows down to J-e-f-f-A & xris: Now xferring a 600MB file in <3minutes instead of >30min. **

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Mattwj2005:

yeah this pvr-150 is kicking my butt

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siXy:

many boxes only accept firmware upgrades via the serial port – its only a few that can change channel this way

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J-e-f-f-A:

xavier: I've heard that it is possible, and people are doing it. I don't have DirectTV, however, but Dish network, so I use IR blasters.

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FairWtns:

So all I had to do was set the IP's to a different network segment? That's ridiculously simple.

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xavier:

thanks, all

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J-e-f-f-A:

FairWtns: yeah, otherwise they were on the same network, and they either always went down the wireless connection, or may have been 'randomly' sent one way or the other...

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Anduin:

Mattwj2005: What is the problem?

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J-e-f-f-A:

FairWtns: NP! ;-) No need to bow... I'm Human just like you!

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Mattwj2005:

all I am getting is static

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xris:

FairWtns: :)

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xris:

afk

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Mattwj2005:

linux appears to reconize it

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Anduin:

Mattwj2005: and dmesg shows that the tuner was identified?

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Anduin:

Mattwj2005: Just pastebin the whole ivtv init block from dmesg

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Mattwj2005:

oh okay

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Ibeam:

ok i redid the audio trouble shooting section and have confirmed that the device is processing the audio in the correct manner

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Ibeam:

myth log shows this error : NVR: Error, unknown audio codec

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Ibeam:

NVR: Error, cannot open DSP '/dev/dsp'

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FairWtns:

This is so awesome. I owe you guys some serious beer or your beverage of choice.

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Ibeam:

in addition to something about an unknown blocksize

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Ibeam:

any help?

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** FairWtns bravely mucks about with the backend setup... **

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Mattwj2005:

http://pastebin.ca/187392

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Anduin:

Ibeam: unknown audio codec is probably a setup issue, which capture card do you have and which type do you have it set to?

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Mattwj2005:

I hope this helps

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monkeypet:

ANyone catch the heroes pilot?

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Mattwj2005:

I did monkeypet :)

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monkeypet:

I thought it was good, but reminded me too much of xmen.

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Ibeam:

Anduin: a WinTv-PCI using a patch cable and a hybrid card using saa7134 and 7134-alsa

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scottder:

Bleh...looks like mythweb is all broke for me know...

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Mattwj2005:

hopefully it'll last....if so I'll watch....and record it in HDTV :)

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Anduin:

I thought it was disappointing given all the advertising

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Mattwj2005:

I was watching it at work :P

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Ibeam:

Anduin: both audio devices give the same error

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Anduin:

Ibeam: Yeah the unknown codec means the recording profile doesn't have MP3 or uncompressed

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Ibeam:

Anduin: hmm.. ok ... aplay reports 8bit 8KHz mono , so i presume it's uncompressed

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Ibeam:

Anduin: do you think if i play with the recording profile settings it may budge?

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Anduin:

Ibeam: No, all inside myth, check your card type settings, then make sure the recording profiles are there.

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Anduin:

Mattwj2005: Do you get that tuner type not set every time you try to change the channel/

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Mattwj2005:

how would I set that?

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Mattwj2005:

why isn't it set to something by default?

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scottder:

"error string: Unable to connect to mythbackend, is it running?" yes...yes it is

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Aid`:

scottder: is ya ip correct?

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Ibeam:

scottder: if the frontend is a seperate machine you may want to use the backends externally visible ip within the backend setup

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Anduin:

Mattwj2005: //www.mail-archive.com/ivtv-users@ivtvdriver.org/msg04087.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.mail-archive.com/ivtv-users@ivtvdr . . . sg04087.html

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Ibeam:

Anduin: the cards are setup correctly within myth and the recording profiles are present ... the only issue is that the minimum sampling rate is 32K yet the output of the dsp is 8K... any further suggestions?

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seth|laptop:

anyone experiencing playback issues with the internal DVD player in .20 ?

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scottder:

backend and frontend are same machine

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Anduin:

Ibeam: Which video codec are you trying to use?

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Ibeam:

Anduin: a WinTv-PCI and the second card is a Compro hybrid card with a saa7134 chipset

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Mattwj2005:

thanks for your help :)

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Mattwj2005:

I will look into it later....I have to get ready to get out

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Mattwj2005:

I am going to a movie

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Anduin:

Ibeam: Yeah, more like "MPEG-4" "rtjpeg" is what I'm looking for

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Ibeam:

Anduin: oh sorry.. rtjpeg

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J-e-f-f-A:

scottder: Make sure the address in 'mythtv-setup' is an IP address — localhost won't work. If it's a combined fe/be, set it to 127.0.0.1 – if you've got remote frontends (or plan to soon), set it to your nic's address (ie: 192.168.1.9 or whatever it is...)

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Anduin:

Mattwj2005: Try that when you get back, looks like you just need to force it.

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Mattwj2005:

sounds good....Anduin your awesome....thanks :)

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Ibeam:

brb

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scottder:

and this was working previously, after an update from the ATRPM repositories it broke....very odd

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seth|laptop:

I play a DVD with my new .20's internal player, and it stutters, regularly, any ideas?

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J-e-f-f-A:

scottder: Did you see my note above ^^^

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siXy:

seth – bad audio settings can cause stuttering

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scottder:

lemme check

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seth|laptop:

I am using 5.1/DTS it works well watching OTA HD, but when I pop a DVD in, it has issues, and the audio looks as though it is switching on my a/v receiver

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seth|laptop:

the DolbyDigital light flashes

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Anduin:

Ibeam: You sure your recording profiles are for the same card type?

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siXy:

are you using spdif passthrough?

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seth|laptop:

yes

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siXy:

hmm im afraid i dont know a great deal about how alsa handles spdif stuff as i dont use it myself (yet)

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monkeypet:

seth|laptop: when I use the 0.20 player, it locks up after a few mins.

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seth|laptop:

works good with xine, and the "passthrough" option enabled in it, and I am assuming since the internal player is used for both HD and DVD, the settings would be made at the same "General" menu option, I am just stumped. I have tried enabling/disabling DMA for the drive. And of course my DVD backups work great from the video menu. I can only assume it must be a bad drive.

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flindet:

anyone here using the pcHD5500 with hdtv cable?

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scottder:

J-e-f-f-A: nope it's set to 127.0.0.1

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scottder:

Incompatible protocol version (mythweb=31, backend=30)

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scottder:

ahhh

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scottder:

that'lld do it

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J-e-f-f-A:

scottder: Thatwill do it. Which one is '31'?

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J-e-f-f-A:

scottder: (Duh, if I only read....)

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Ibeam:

Anduin: yup profile is for v4l (software)

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scottder:

Heh...not sure how that happened....must be something up on the RPM repos

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J-e-f-f-A:

scottder: Yeah, well the rpm's seem to be in the middle of the .19 to .20 transition... So I can see that happening atm...

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scottder:

just before the last update....all was fine...something changed in there

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J-e-f-f-A:

scottder: So you probably meant 'frontend=31, backend=30' in the above line, right? In that case, downgrade your frontend to match.

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scottder:

Nope that message is cut and paste right from mythweb

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J-e-f-f-A:

scottder: So is your frontend also out of sync?

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scottder:

Hmmm that I don't know....lemme check (at work...but have VNC

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scottder:

nope frontend is seeing things fine

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scottder:

just mythweb that seems to be out of whack

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J-e-f-f-A:

scottder: Maybe xris can help you 'revert' it back...

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opello:

so, how do people stream tv over the internet

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scottder:

Magic pixie dust? :)

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opello:

ned, ned, they stole all of our servers!

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opello:

not quite :)

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J-e-f-f-A:

opello: If using .19, then mythstreamtv works well...

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opello:

J-e-f-f-A: it was more of a general question than mythtv specific :/

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J-e-f-f-A:

opello: Gee, why would I think it was mythtv specific?!? ;-)

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Ibeam:

opello: vlc does a good job

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J-e-f-f-A:

opello: And that's what mythstreamtv uses...

[02:40:03]

opello:

cool

[02:40:26]

opello:

does it use the unicast streaming thing?

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J-e-f-f-A:

opello: I'm not sure of the protocol specifics — with mythstreamtv you've got an option of "MMS:" or "HTTP:" stream types...

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scottder:

What if you're using 0.20 :)

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J-e-f-f-A:

scottder: Then you'll have to wait until somebody either fixes mythstreamtv to work with .20, or comes up with a suitable replacement...

[02:44:33]

scottder:

Ah :)

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J-e-f-f-A:

scottder: Here's a link to the version patched for .19 — maybe you could email him to see if he's working on a .20 update for it... http://jogibear9988.dyndns.org:2080/

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J-e-f-f-A:

scottder: Acutally, it looks like he's got one for the 'SVN' version of mythweb — perhaps it works with .20? (Can't tell myself as he doesn't specify, nor have dates listed for it)

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opello:

J-e-f-f-A: (Tested with SVN from 06-01–19)

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Bachus9000:

Has any one else been having trouble with DataDirect? I've been getting Internal Server Errors

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SlicerDicer-:

anybody around live in new mexico with comcast?

[03:16:24]

Bachus9000:

I don't live in New Mexico, but I do have Comcast.. :)

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J-e-f-f-A:

opello: Humm.. is that 'basically' .20???

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opello:

check what revision .20 is, i guess ... other than that, not sure

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J-e-f-f-A:

SlicerDicer-: Nope & Nope! (Sorry! ;-)

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J-e-f-f-A:

opello: Actually, proably not... 1/19/06 is pretty old now... (duh!)

[03:21:18]

opello:

yeah :)

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J-e-f-f-A:

opello: I think I originally saw the "06" as "June"... oops...

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opello:

oops

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CyberKnet:

hah. "If you could have fundamentally better technology, would you settle for added, improved functions instead?"

[04:10:10]

CyberKnet:

talk about admitting your product has significantly fewer features than your competitors. ;)

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CyberKnet:

(Sigma-SD14.com)

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** nuonguy waves at mchou **

[04:19:45]

mchou:

hi nuonguy, what's happening?

[04:20:28]

mchou:

nuonguy: you wanna join us for a bike ride in los altos tomorrow? 4–6pm

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monkeypet:

mchou: You in California!

[04:21:02]

nuonguy:

hi

[04:21:17]

mchou:

monkeypet: umm, do I know you? :)

[04:21:17]

nuonguy:

I'm going to be in sacramento at a birthday party

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mchou:

nuonguy: ok

[04:21:36]

nuonguy:

are you guys road riding?

[04:21:40]

mchou:

yup

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mchou:

just a jaunt thru los altos andpalo alto hills

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nuonguy:

Forever wanting to get a road bike... so many things I want

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mchou:

nuonguy: craigslist is a great resource for that :)

[04:22:34]

nuonguy:

sure

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nuonguy:

but my next project is to get my old car road-worthy again

[04:22:52]

nuonguy:

and then, just maybe, I'll turn it into an electric car

[04:22:56]

nuonguy:

all, electric

[04:22:59]

nuonguy:

no gasoline anymore

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mchou:

damn, you got way too much time on your hands

[04:23:23]

nuonguy:

sadly I don't

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mchou:

if I want electric I'd just get a prius for the carpool lane :)

[04:23:53]

nuonguy:

I learned a little about electric cars from make magazine

[04:24:02]

nuonguy:

but, this guy turned his jeep electric: http://www.driveev.com/jeepev/home.php

[04:24:21]

nuonguy:

if it were me, I'd ditch the transmission! lose the weigth!

[04:24:33]

mchou:

nuonguy: I would not do an electric conversion myself.....

[04:24:49]

mchou:

batteries have awful efficiency as they age

[04:24:52]

nuonguy:

plus, it's electric – you don't need a transmission! It's a stupid holdover from the ICE

[04:24:53]

ShockValue:

k, so I have my firewire card in, and the dct6200 plugged into it.. how do i tell which port/device/etc this thing is so i can test it?

[04:25:04]

nuonguy:

yes they do, but they're getting (a little) better

[04:25:19]

nuonguy:

I'd pay the premium for good li-on or nimh batteries

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mchou:

nuonguy: point is you dunno if your battery is a lemon until it's too late

[04:25:54]

mchou:

nuonguy: if it doesnt burst into fire first :)

[04:26:11]

mchou:

hehe

[04:26:18]

mchou:

damn sony batteries

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nuonguy:

the day I find out would surely suck, but I'll take that chance to stop funding oil wars

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mchou:

I wonder how "hot" car batteies run

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mchou:

I mean is it wasteful like a laptop battery?

[04:27:24]

mchou:

all that wasted heat

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nuonguy:

I think that's a side-effect of li-on, right?

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ShockValue:

wasted? it keeps my hands toasty while im typing :)

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mchou:

nah, of all batteries, really

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nuonguy:

I don't know anything about chemistry so I'm just guessing

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mchou:

just different amts of heat

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mchou:

ShockValue: anyway, it's trial and error

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mchou:

ShockValue: no big dealio

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nuonguy:

I'm having such a tough time building mythplugins: http://pastebin.ca/187484

[04:29:51]

mchou:

ShockValue: plugreport tells all

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ShockValue:

my "plugreport" is coming up empty

[04:30:23]

mchou:

ShockValue: if it comes up empty then it's not plugged in or not working at all

[04:30:31]

mchou:

like maybe wrong cable

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nuonguy:

why, is it linking /usr/lib/libmythavcodec when I said --prefix=/home/.... ???

[04:30:43]

ShockValue:

but i do have a /dev/raw1394

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mchou:

ShockValue: lol

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mchou:

just cause you got dev node doesnt mean it works

[04:31:34]

ShockValue:

<shrug> 6 pin to 6 pin firewire cable from the box to the card.. maybe ill try the other port, there's 2 on the box

[04:31:38]

nuonguy:

is there something wrong with the configure script in mythtv?

[04:36:33]

nuonguy:

If I say "./configure --disable-xvmc --disable-xvmc-pro --disable-xvmc-opengl --prefix=/home/mythtvuser/mythtvproject/install", isn't it wrong for config.mak to say "config.mak:CONFIG_MPEG_XVMC_DECODER=yes" ?

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mchou:

wow, I must be out of it. There is an xvmc-opengl?

[04:37:57]

nuonguy:

there is an arg for in in configure

[04:39:09]

nuonguy:

is this a bug?

[04:39:17]

nuonguy:

I think it is... how to file it though?

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ShockValue:

blah.. i cant seem to get this thing to show up with plugreport

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CyberKnet:

anyone have the install linux action replay file for xbox? The sourceforge download is absolutely crawling

[04:42:32]

nuonguy:

why did he close http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/2299?

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CyberKnet:

0.3k/s

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CCFL_Man_:

CyberKnet: will an LPC mod work without a tsop?

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nuonguy:

what is an LPC mod?

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nuonguy:

what is a tsop?

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CyberKnet:

CCFL_Man_: *blink*

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CCFL_Man_:

tsop flash

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CyberKnet:

CCFL_Man_: I'm flashing the existing bios to cromwell

[04:49:04]

CCFL_Man_:

LPC port is some sort of serial port i think

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CyberKnet:

I have no need to run games any more

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CyberKnet:

so I'm not doing anything with the LPC

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CCFL_Man_:

CyberKnet: exactly

[04:49:33]

nuonguy:

are you guys in the right chat room?

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CCFL_Man_:

CyberKnet: my xbox is a v1 and i removed the tsop, as well as the eeprom

[04:49:46]

CyberKnet:

my understanding is that they circumvent the existing tsop via the LPC (they bein the modchip version

[04:49:57]

CyberKnet:

why would you remove the TSOP?

[04:50:11]

CyberKnet:

s/version/vendors

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CCFL_Man_:

mine failed to work after an enigmah install years ago, so i removed it thinking it'll work if i connect an eprom to it but it did not

[04:51:09]

CCFL_Man_:

blinked red

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CCFL_Man_:

i want to get an lpc mod, put cromwell on it and use it as a linux only machine

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CyberKnet:

hmmmm.

[04:51:59]

CyberKnet:

yeah, I'd think an LPC mod would work without the tsop... but I wouldn't swear to it.

[04:52:16]

CCFL_Man_:

ahh

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CCFL_Man_:

you using some software mod to flash yours with cromwel?

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CyberKnet:

MechInstaller Emergency Linux ... running raincoat to flash my tsop to cromwell

[04:53:26]

CyberKnet:

yeah

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CyberKnet:

well... I have to go.

[04:55:07]

CyberKnet:

later folks.

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CCFL_Man_:

ahh

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CCFL_Man_:

nuonguy: xboxes make great mythtv frontends, only ones that support hdtv if extra ram and cpu is upgraded

[04:56:54]

J-e-f-f-A:

CCFL_Man_: Is the cpu socketed in the xbox?

[04:58:34]

CCFL_Man_:

J-e-f-f-A: unfortunately no, but friend123 will solder it in for you

[04:59:12]

CCFL_Man_:

it's BGA, so rework is done with a heat gun

[04:59:16]

J-e-f-f-A:

CCFL_Man_: What does he charge?

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LabMonkey:

haha

[05:00:31]

CCFL_Man_:

it's a good amount, $100 or so i think

[05:00:38]

CCFL_Man_:

he can upgrade ram to

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J-e-f-f-A:

CCFL_Man_: Well, if that includes the price of the CPU and the new ram, it's probably worth it. Do you know what speed? I know the current cpu is a Celeron 733, and current ram is 64mb. I think the ram can be upgraded to 128 by just soldering in two more chips, but cpu is more work...

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CCFL_Man_:

J-e-f-f-A: he upgrades to a 1.4 celery and 64mb more ram, all for around $100

[05:07:23]

CCFL_Man_:

definately worth it because it's a kick ass frontend that can play hdtv

[05:07:41]

J-e-f-f-A:

CCFL_Man_: So double the speed, and ram. Not too bad!

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regicide666:

How well is it as a frontend without the upgrades?

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regicide666:

I have one with a mod chip but have not put mythtv on it

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J-e-f-f-A:

regicide666: It's decent. A little slow, since it's only 64mb ram.

[05:10:49]

regicide666:

I will have to dig it out tomorrow and see how well it works

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ShockValue:

J-e-f-f-A: you use firewire for recording?

[05:13:02]

J-e-f-f-A:

ShockValue: No – I've got a HD3000 for OTA HD.

[05:14:37]

ShockValue:

ah ok

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ShockValue:

just hooked up my dct6200, but i cant get it to show up

[05:15:08]

ShockValue:

but ive never used a firewire device before, so im probably just doing somehting dumb :)

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ShockValue:

ok, im retarded.. had [y] for firewire, but [ ] for all the firewire options :)

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tjcarter:

hmm, why are the colors on previews always ... off?

[05:27:37]

tjcarter:

skin is blue

[05:27:45]

tjcarter:

(0.20, Ubuntu packages)

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ShockValue:

and the colors are OK otherwise?

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tjcarter:

yeah

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tjcarter:

It happens both with Qt and OpenGL rendering too

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J-e-f-f-A:

CCFL_Man_: Can you give me contact info for 'friend123' — is his site 'friendtech.com'?

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Anduin:

tjcarter: A few threads on the mail list about it

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ShockValue:

well, ive gotted the device recognised with plugreport, but test-mpeg2 gives me nothin

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RyeBrye:

It doesn't seem like any of my transcode jobs are doing anything... is there a transcode log file I should look at?

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tjcarter:

Anduin: so it's not just me then?

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tjcarter:

Anduin: I won't worry if it's a known bug affecting others

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** tjcarter has bigger concerns: working frontends for MacOS X and Windows machines **

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RyeBrye:

My Mac OS X frontend works for live TV

[06:17:14]

RyeBrye:

I haven't done much else with it...

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siXy:

tjcarter – you may have a hard sell with the windows fronted once vista is released.....

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tjcarter:

RyeBrye: I get a mostly green and red tiled distorted playback

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siXy:

vista mce is very very pretty. admittedly not very fully-featured, but very pretty

[06:19:48]

** tjcarter try to get screenshot if you are interested? **

[06:20:04]

RyeBrye:

tjcarter – did you just download the frontend from that one guy who distributes the 50 meg .dmg file of it for OS X?

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** RyeBrye did and it seems to work fine **

[06:20:29]

RyeBrye:

are you on an intel mac/

[06:20:30]

RyeBrye:

?

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tjcarter:

Intel Mac, and yes I downloaded it because I didn't have spare disk for the full development environment needed to build Qt ;)

[06:22:34]

tjcarter:

sweet crap, I remember when compiling X was a hard task.

[06:23:14]

tjcarter:

As for Windows, pretty much screwed there since I don't have a build environment

[06:23:45]

RyeBrye:

Yeah. hmm... If you really need a frontend running on that machine, could you just boot with a live CD of Knoppmyth or something?

[06:24:07]

tjcarter:

No, the user of the machine is totally blind.

[06:24:12]

** RyeBrye has a PPC mac, so can't help troubleshoot **

[06:24:24]

tjcarter:

er, the Windows machine

[06:24:27]

RyeBrye:

tjcarter – you are setting up a DVR frontend machine for a blind user?

[06:24:38]

siXy:

the windows frontend is very alpha. there really is no point trying to run myth forntend in windows atm

[06:24:40]

tjcarter:

yes.

[06:24:54]

RyeBrye:

Do you also give iPods to deaf people? ;)

[06:24:56]

tjcarter:

siXy: TapeWorm runs well, but is 0.19 only at present

[06:25:15]

tjcarter:

RyeBrye: you have no idea how offensive you're being.

[06:25:28]

tjcarter:

I am myself blind.

[06:25:32]

RyeBrye:

tjcarter, I'm sorry you are easily offended.

[06:25:43]

tjcarter:

I'm sorry you're a halfwitted sightie.

[06:26:09]

tjcarter:

but most sighties are.

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siXy:

tjcarter life might be easier if you dropped the victim mentality....

[06:26:29]

siXy:

but thats enough therapy for one day

[06:26:44]

RyeBrye:

<tjcarter> RyeBrye: I get a mostly green and red tiled distorted playback

[06:26:50]

RyeBrye:

Sounds like you understand color pretty well for a blind person

[06:27:28]

RyeBrye:

... but seriously – I'm not trying to be offensive... but why MythTV?

[06:27:31]

tjcarter:

Do you have any idea how close I am sitting to my screen?

[06:27:57]

** RyeBrye apologizes.. **

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tjcarter:

or what font size I use? "Blind" is an arbitrary term applied to anyone with uncorrectable bad vision

[06:28:14]

RyeBrye:

Okay, I understand now...

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tjcarter:

Mine is bad only at a distance

[06:28:39]

tjcarter:

my roommate can see the sun is in the sky, but no more than that.

[06:29:06]

tjcarter:

He's looking forward to new BSG, for example

[06:29:16]

RyeBrye:

Cool...

[06:29:33]

tjcarter:

So he's missing the shaky camera and pop-zoom. These aren't the series' highlight.

[06:29:34]

RyeBrye:

Was the Mac frontend a universal binary? I can't remember

[06:29:42]

tjcarter:

It was, yes

[06:29:51]

RyeBrye:

Hmm... Does the interface show up at all?

[06:30:01]

tjcarter:

yeah, only playback doesn't work

[06:30:10]

siXy:

um why not just use a linux frontend? just a thought but why deliberately make life harder?

[06:30:38]

tjcarter:

siXy: I do--but I don't need to have the menus read to me by a computer.

[06:30:55]

tjcarter:

I have Linux, Mac, and Windows machines here.

[06:31:16]

RyeBrye:

tj – so the problem is that only the Mac (or windows) version will read the menus outloud?

[06:31:31]

RyeBrye:

and your roommate will need to have them read to him?

[06:31:35]

tjcarter:

actually, the Mac version won't either--I'm working on that problem =)

[06:31:57]

tjcarter:

TapeWorm works with the standard Windows screen readers, yeah

[06:32:24]

RyeBrye:

Hmm... Would a web browser pointing to MythWeb let him have the functionality he needs?

[06:32:35]

tjcarter:

And I'm actually working to add a speech daemon interface..

[06:32:36]

siXy:

doubt it.

[06:32:37]

RyeBrye:

He could click on recordings to get them to play back in QT

[06:33:03]

tjcarter:

I think he's got the Windows codecs for nuv files

[06:33:28]

tjcarter:

and if Ubuntu's gotten their lame OpenGL bug fixed, I could build the appropriate plugins

[06:33:51]

tjcarter:

Ubuntu treats nvidia-glx like a redheaded stepchild

[06:34:02]

ShockValue:

ok, i dont get it.. my frontend can connect fine to the backend database, but it it complains that it cant connect to the master backend server... which setting am i missing here?

[06:34:07]

tjcarter:

you have to remove it to install any OpenGL development headers to satisfy Qt development..

[06:34:20]

ShockValue:

backend + mysql database are both 10.1.1.5, and my frontend is pointed at 10.1.1.5

[06:34:20]

RyeBrye:

ShockValue: Do you only have one backend?

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siXy:

1 – 10 of about 12,300,000 for linux screen reader

[06:34:28]

ShockValue:

RyeBrye: yes only 1 backend

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tjcarter:

siXy: doesn't work with Myth

[06:35:03]

tjcarter:

siXy: Speakup is cmdline only, Orca is GNOME only, gnopernicus is obsolete (and GNOME only)

[06:35:05]

RyeBrye:

ShockValue: iirc you need to specify a master backend IP in the mythtv-setup

[06:35:24]

Anduin:

ShockValue: What is your backend IP set to? mythfrontend -v all,nodatabase should help

[06:35:25]

siXy:

yes they will. you just need them to read the text out of the mysql database not off the screen istelf

[06:35:30]

tjcarter:

RyeBrye is right, make sure both IPs are set in mythtv-setup

[06:35:41]

ShockValue:

Anduin: ill try that

[06:36:32]

RyeBrye:

Well... I'm off to bed. It's late here

[06:36:39]

tjcarter:

siXy: so what, he's supposed to sit there in a VC using mysql-client to get a 40 digit number of the program to play back with mplayer?

[06:36:41]

RyeBrye:

good luck with your setup tj

[06:37:18]

ShockValue:

Anduin: Connecting to backend server : 10.1.1.5:6543 [connection timed out]

[06:37:29]

ShockValue:

Anduin: which is the correct IP..

[06:37:39]

RyeBrye:

did you start the backend?

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Anduin:

ShockValue: telnet 10.1.1.5 6543

[06:37:47]

RyeBrye:

mythbackend -d ?

[06:38:03]

tjcarter:

no, the right fix is to have the frontend be able to feed either to socket or pipe speech commands

[06:38:05]

ShockValue:

C:Documents and SettingsAdministrator>telnet 10.1.1.5 6543

[06:38:05]

ShockValue:

Connecting To 10.1.1.5...Could not open connection to the host, on port 6543: Co

[06:38:05]

ShockValue:

nnect failed

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siXy:

no, use the interface as normal. write a small ap that sits between the remote and the frontend and when it sends a command to myth sends the apropriate text from the database to the reader

[06:38:26]

siXy:

shouldnt be too hard if your c is up to scratch

[06:38:26]

tjcarter:

say en Watch TV

[06:38:33]

tjcarter:

say en Media Library

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tjcarter:

say en Watch Recordings

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RyeBrye:

ShockValue: Did you make sure that mythbackend is running?

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RyeBrye:

ShockValue: ps ax | grep mythb

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Anduin:

ShockValue: Not from a windows box (or use open there)

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siXy:

shockvalue try using 127.0.0.1 instead of 10.1.1.5. or just allow that port in iptales

[06:39:43]

ShockValue:

aha! it appears it cant open the database (mythbackend.log)

[06:40:04]

siXy:

did you set up the mysql database properly?

[06:40:14]

tjcarter:

say en All Programs say en Futurama – "Luck of the Fryish", 1 of 73.

[06:40:23]

ShockValue:

siXy: afaik

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ShockValue:

mythbackend.log: QSqlQuery::exec: database not open

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siXy:

have you actually starte mysqld?

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tjcarter:

a few key commands would need to be added to the frontend to make it read show descriptions and that sort of thing

[06:41:31]

ShockValue:

yeah, mysql is started. i can connect to it via my windows client

[06:42:30]

siXy:

then i suspect a problem with your database set up tbh

[06:43:20]

ShockValue:

maybe i should drop it and start over.. i dont have anything usefull in it yet

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Dagmar:

that's always a handy thing to be able to do

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siXy:

what distro are you using?

[06:44:43]

ShockValue:

gentoo

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ShockValue:

gonna go re-set it up.. brb

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mchou:

sigh....

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mchou:

this GPLv2 vs. GPLv3 thing looks like WW3 is about to break out

[07:06:16]

jblack:

Oh no! mythtv has broken on me!

[07:06:55]

jblack:

I put some stuff into mythvideo, entered a couple imdbs, and now that I added the second one, its stuck.

[07:06:55]

tjcarter:

mchou: yeah, it's scary how it's shaping up thus far

[07:07:50]

jblack:

now when I try and go into utilities/video manager, myth locks up

[07:07:58]

mchou:

tjcarter: different core values

[07:08:23]

mchou:

tjcarter: I don't see an easy way to reconcile the differences

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jblack:

ahh, I see the problem

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jblack:

the nfs mount is acting up

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LLyric:

I'm trying to figure out why my frontend is having such a hard time playing recordings, can y'all help?

[07:13:43]

LLyric:

The recordings are HD, and I'm sure this machine *used* to be able to play them okay, but it doesn't seem to anymore

[07:13:53]

LLyric:

It's been a few months since I tried.

[07:14:09]

LLyric:

Even playing in an 800x600 window doesn't work!

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magneticubuntu:

hello world

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world:

hi

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jblack:

uh oh. ubuntu has startup music now.

[07:21:07]

Dagmar:

Wow

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jblack:

cha chacha chi donk.

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Dagmar:

mencoder is a ton faster than transcode

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jblack:

oh?

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Dagmar:

3h 2m with transcode for a _single pass_ conversion to XViD versus 1h 17m for a multi-pass conversion

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tjcarter:

Dagmar: I already have my stuff in the desired codec, I just have what I want archived in the wrong wrapper =)

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Dagmar:

I'm going to have to look over my transcode build and see what the hell is making it so slow

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tjcarter:

Don't care if it's RIFF or QuickTime =)

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lupin_sanse1:

Hello,

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lupin_sanse1:

I had knoppmyth running nicely, but I put a new video card in and now it says it can't start the x server. How do I go about getting the new card working. (It's new to me, but pretty old as cards go)

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Dagmar:

You configure X to use it

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tjcarter:

lupin_sanse1: what's the card?

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lupin_sanse1:

matrox g400

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tjcarter:

wow, that is old =D

[07:37:26]

lupin_sanse1:

newer than the one that was in there before!

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TheAncient:

I could use some help. I had to reinstall my PVR 250 tuner in mythtv-setup and now whenever it records a show it is stuck on channel 4. there is no external tuner program set, no preset channel, and live tv mode can use any channel. any idea where this setting might be for me to clear?

[07:37:44]

tjcarter:

yeah, I think you need mg400 driver

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Dagmar:

Well, run `xorgconfig` and answer it's questions then I guess

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Dagmar:

TheAncient: Go back into mythtv-setup and delete all the cards, then readd them

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lupin_sanse1:

xorgconfig – command not found

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Dagmar:

lupin_sanse1: What version of X are you using?

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TheAncient:

Dagmar: i will try, but thats how i got in to this mess. it was working for 3+ years before :/

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lupin_sanse1:

Dagmar: dunno whatever knoppmyth came with

[07:39:25]

Dagmar:

TheAncient: Did you make a backup? If not, then I don't care _how_ long it was working before.

[07:39:52]

Dagmar:

If something was working since the *middle ages* if you BREAK IT without making BACKUPS, you have only yourself to blame.

[07:40:16]

Dagmar:

lupin_sanse1: You should probably try hassling the people in #Knoppmyth

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lupin_sanse1:

Dagmar: thanks

[07:40:33]

Dagmar:

They need to either stop making the CD, fix more of the stupid in it, or get used to supporting it better

[07:40:56]

Dagmar:

If it's using the Xorg server, xorgconfig should be there. If they're using XFree86, it would be xf86config

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lupin_sanse1:

Xconfigurator is there – is that what I should use?

[07:41:35]

Dagmar:

If it's not there at all, they're morons.

[07:41:38]

Dagmar:

No.

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Dagmar:

You can *try* but it's not as likely to work as the other script I referred to

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lupin_sanse1:

Should I look in a certain directory for xorgconfig?

[07:42:26]

Dagmar:

No, if it were there it would be in the PATH

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metalac:

anyone here running 1080i without XvMC? what's your hardware like?

[07:51:14]

galorin:

got a bit of bother with a dvd. When viewing it as just a normal dvd in Myth, I don't get any scan lines, but when I try to rip it using good or perfect quality (trying ISO right now) I get scan lines. How can I go about fixing this?

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galorin:

It seems like this happens with DVD's of TV series that I've got, but not for dvd movies which is kind of weird I think...

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tjcarter:

galorin: I've had that with some things too

[07:58:17]

galorin:

tjcarter, it's quite annoying, any ideas, even if it involves ripping/transcoding outside of Myth?

[07:59:15]

tjcarter:

I wish I did--but if you happen to find a solution, I want it =)

[08:00:23]

galorin:

:(

[08:04:41]

galorin:

I'm going to try something.. I think it's done with the ISO copy.

[08:05:19]

galorin:

nope few more minutes

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ShockValue:

what would i put into my capture card config for this firewire info: http://pastebin.ca/187595

[08:10:45]

ShockValue:

currently i have it at host 0 port 0, but not sure if thats right.. also not sure of speed setting

[08:10:52]

ShockValue:

(motorola dct6200)

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galorin:

tjcarter, haven't found a solution that is kind to hard drive space, but the ISO option for ripping seems to do the trick.

[08:24:29]

Juski:

morning :) time to make the plugins – finally got mythtv to compile last night

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galorin:

Morning Juski.what's this myth 0.20a you're working on or have the good folks at mythtv graced us with another update?

[08:28:53]

ShockValue:

well crud.. i thought i had it all going, but my frontend box cant watch livetv via the backend+firewire

[08:29:38]

Anduin:

galorin: It was a bug gix plugins release (mythweb fix)

[08:29:57]

Juski:

good grief Anduin.. you still up? ;)

[08:30:30]

Juski:

now, there've not been any protocol bumps since last week have there?

[08:30:49]

ShockValue:

i just went from 30 to 31

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ShockValue:

but its been a while since update

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Anduin:

Juski: Hey, I don't say I'm going to go to bed and then hang around for hours more... it is only 1:30 here

[08:31:10]

tjcarter:

galorin: that's hardly a solution

[08:31:17]

galorin:

I've got 0.20a running right now. don't use mythweb, but might at a later date... I'm currently trying to get deinterlacing when ripping a DVD to work. :S

[08:31:57]

galorin:

tjcarter, I know, toying around with external ripping programs.

[08:32:27]

Juski:

Anduin: what can I say? when I want mythtv fixed I tend to say I'm gonna throw in the towel sometimes but never find the will to

[08:32:44]

Anduin:

galorin: A perfect rip is just the vobu data right from the disc

[08:33:03]

Anduin:

Juski: Yeah, not saying I don't understand :)

[08:33:29]

tjcarter:

galorin: I am sure mencoder can do it, I just don't know what option to use

[08:33:31]

Juski:

I needed a late night anyway.. slept really well. all the early nights I've been having have made me soft

[08:34:10]

galorin:

Anduin, tried that, still has scan lines. These are dvd's of tv shows, so I don't know if that makes any difference. When importing dvd's of films, I don't have the same bother.

[08:34:59]

ShockValue:

so when i try to watch tv, the screen goes black for about 15 seconds, and i get a bunch of "timeout" errors when trying to play mpeg file 10.1.1.5:6543<insert random mpeg name here>... t

[08:35:17]

ShockValue:

backend is a dct6200->firewire->mythbackend box

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galorin:

tjcarter, hmmm I'll see what the mencoder manpages say about deinterlacing

[08:35:29]

Juski:

galorin: so setup mythvideo to play back the tv show dvds with deinterlacing turned on ;)

[08:35:29]

ShockValue:

any clues on where to start checkin whats wrong?

[08:36:08]

galorin:

Juski, I must have missed that option somewhere....

[08:37:03]

galorin:

I would like to rip them though.. it's for a couple shows my daughter is obsessssed with.. She doesn't complain but there are some series from DVD that I'd like to put on as well

[08:37:11]

Juski:

dead easy to miss media player options.. there's just so bloody many of em

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Anduin:

galorin: This is with the internal player or mplayer?

[08:38:30]

Juski:

oooo here's a classic cry for help that needs ignoring.. "either way I need help solving this or I will have to go with XP running Beyond TV or another PVR"

[08:39:33]

galorin:

Anduin, Both I believe. It uses mplayer for .avi and internal for both .vob and .iso right?

[08:41:03]

Juski:

wow. never known the plugins build so quickly

[08:41:07]

galorin:

Juski, my in-law is still crowing about how his PC hasn't crashed since he switched to XP and another PVR... I know he's lying. Heck, he keeps his media PC inside a 3/4 inch wooden box!

[08:41:38]

Juski:

galorin: lol. wait til someone opens IE & gets it infested.

[08:42:19]

Anduin:

galorin: And the player doesn't make a difference?

[08:42:26]

galorin:

he, um.. doesn't have internet access. Aparrently he's getting broadband in about 2 weeks, then watch out world!

[08:42:39]

Juski:

I like to crow about mythtv a LOT, but I've touched base with the users who find installing mythtv difficult lately, believe me

[08:43:02]

** Juski checks himself. yes he did just say 'touched base'. blech **

[08:43:04]

galorin:

Anduin, Not that I can tell. The scan lines seem to be less pronounced for the internal player, but are still there.

[08:44:09]

Juski:

uhhh.. the backend init script isn't working.. what the... ?

[08:45:59]

Juski:

whoops. init script was set to use /usr/bin not /usr/local/bin

[08:46:18]

Juski:

and now I need to change my ldconfig stuff

[08:49:49]

Juski:

hey the ubuntu section of the official wiki conveniently forgets to mention that you need to check the paths etc

[08:50:45]

Juski:

that must be one of the 'gaps' referred to

[08:52:07]

Anduin:

Were you not the one pushing for people to update the wiki :)

[08:52:52]

Juski:

that particular wiki page is difficult to find, relatively speaking, because there are now so many ubuntu guides on there.

[08:53:06]

Juski:

too many cooks?

[08:53:36]

Juski:

bah I needed --prefix=/usr in my ./configure I think. oops

[08:53:44]

Anduin:

Doesn't that lead to a wonderful variety?

[08:54:01]

Juski:

I'd rather there be one, much more complete version

[08:54:13]

Anduin:

Make sure you do it for the plugins and themes as well

[08:54:32]

Juski:

Anduin: so this basically means I need to recompile yeah?

[08:54:56]

Dagmar:

Hmmm

[08:55:02]

Juski:

make, or make install, or both? I still haven't got my head around the linking stuff yet

[08:55:47]

Dagmar:

Juski: If they were sane they'd be setting them like MYTHTVBIN=`which mythtv`

[08:56:11]

Juski:

if who was sane?

[08:56:34]

Dagmar:

Ubuntu

[08:56:45]

Dagmar:

Bleh. I gotta stalk xris now

[08:56:55]

Dagmar:

Found an oopsie in nuvexport

[08:57:00]

Juski:

now, I think setting the prefix to /usr is bad for ubuntu in general because most stuff I've seen is in /usr/local

[08:57:38]

Dagmar:

Doing a transcode with mendcoder, it fails to set -oac. The line that *does* that is just plain commented out. I'd like to know why he did that before I go digging further

[08:57:51]

Dagmar:

I know nuvexport is supposed to be very "friendly" but it's maddeningly slow to wade through

[08:58:04]

Juski:

hmm.. it's put the mythtv binaries in /usr/local/bin but the libs seem to be in /usr/lib

[08:58:05]

Anduin:

Juski: Yeah, usually people use /usr for packaged things

[08:58:27]

Dagmar:

Juski: That's not ... well, that's just not righg

[08:59:01]

Dagmar:

Juski: Did the makefile do that or was it a packaging script?

[08:59:01]

Anduin:

Juski: You deleted those earlier, unless you played with the prefix they shouldn't be there

[08:59:28]

Juski:

Anduin: right, so I need to rebuild with the /usr prefix then...

[08:59:29]

Dagmar:

libdir is usually set from plain old ${prefix}/lib, so that shouldn't happen

[08:59:49]

Anduin:

Juski: or edit the init script to find the one you already built

[09:00:16]

Juski:

I edited the init script, but mythbackend fails to load because it can't find its libs

[09:01:16]

Anduin:

Juski: Yeah, that just shouldn't happen

[09:01:21]

Dagmar:

Hey where is this editor I keep seeing reference to?

[09:01:25]

TheAncient:

hmm, it still stuck using channel 4. i removed all tuners and video sources from mythtv-setup and readded them. when i go in to the guide channel for is listed as *4* and no matter what channel i select to record from, it records only from 4... so odd. i even upgraded to the lastest mythtv and it behaves the same. so there has to be a setting somewhere that isnt being changed by the gui

[09:01:54]

Dagmar:

...like shown in http://www.mythtv.org/mythimages/editmode-delete.jpg ... I've never seen how you get to it

[09:02:22]

Anduin:

Dagmar: hit 'e' while watching something

[09:02:32]

Anduin:

(or pick from the menu)

[09:02:54]

Dagmar:

Anduin: Okay. Awesome. I'm definitely writing that down. I never noticed it in the menus

[09:03:16]

Juski:

ffs... mysqlclient libs are in /usr/lib but the myth libs are in /usr/local/lib

[09:03:34]

Dagmar:

Juski: I *think* the uninstall target works

[09:03:55]

Juski:

uninstall target?

[09:03:56]

Dagmar:

You *might* be able to cleanly flush all that junk from /usr/local with a very dimwitted `make clean && ./configure && make uninstall`

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[09:04:02]

Juski:

make uninstall ?

[09:04:04]

Dagmar:

Lemme make sure there *is* one

[09:04:08]

seme:

hi guys..

[09:04:11]

Anduin:

Juski: That is as it should be (and yes the uninstall target works)

[09:04:12]

Dagmar:

I don't like this "we're not using autotools" stuf

[09:04:25]

Dagmar:

I trust Anduin

[09:04:33]

Juski:

making uninstall now

[09:04:42]

Juski:

first in mythtv, then mythplugins

[09:04:54]

Dagmar:

I really don't "get" nuvexport

[09:05:01]

Juski:

then reconfigure with --prefix=/usr & rebuild everything, right?

[09:05:18]

Dagmar:

Juski: Plus whatever other options you'd normally use

[09:05:24]

Juski:

gotcha

[09:05:25]

seme:

I've been trying to figure out why when I play dvd's that I've imported it sounds like a machine gun through myspeakers... music is fine and some videos I have play fine

[09:05:37]

seme:

is anyone else having an issue with sound on imported dvd's

[09:06:07]

Dagmar:

seme: The problem is alsmost certainyl with the settings passed to whatever you ripped them with

[09:06:24]

seme:

in previous versions of mythtv they sounded fine

[09:06:38]

seme:

I'm not sure what changed with the upgrade.... from .19 to .20

[09:06:40]

Dagmar:

Then copy one of them to another machine with a "known, good" video player

[09:06:41]

Anduin:

seme: Just playing the DVD in the internal player works?

[09:06:45]

seme:

I checked my mplayer settings

[09:06:51]

seme:

one sec.. let me try

[09:07:12]

Anduin:

By default 0.20 is using the internal player

[09:07:12]

Dagmar:

You need to identify which part is actually broken, the file itself, or the player

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Juski:

thank $deity for ccache :)

[09:07:58]

Dagmar:

I don't get why xris didn't just assemble these setting details into a global and then put them to use as needed instead of this hard-wired stuff. :/

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seme:

Anduin, the same thing happens when I play the dvd through the dvd player

[09:09:05]

seme:

but this wasn't happening before

[09:09:29]

Anduin:

seme: Are you doing ac3 pass-through?

[09:09:53]

seme:

Anduin: I'm not sure

[09:10:23]

seme:

Anduin: I just tried playing the dvd directly with mplayer dvd://

[09:10:25]

seme:

and it worked

[09:11:06]

Dagmar:

Can we bomb the Chinese now? https://svn.forevermore.net/nuvexport/ticket/134

[09:11:20]

Dagmar:

What kind of asshat spams a bug report form

[09:11:34]

Juski:

just a random question here.. is there any work going on to rationalise the settings table at all?

[09:11:55]

seme:

hrm.. doesn't appear to be anything in the settings that would cause something like this

[09:12:35]

ivor:

Juski: havent heard of any

[09:13:54]

Juski:

wha? which mythbackend gives me /usr/bin/mythbackend but trying mythbackend from a prompt says '/usr/local/bin/mythbackend not found'.. and I've done ldconfig

[09:14:11]

Anduin:

Juski: Not an ldconfig thing

[09:14:28]

** Juski slaps himself. so what's that then? **

[09:14:37]

Anduin:

Juski: make uninstall should have removed the /usr/local/bin version, time to do it by hand.

[09:14:51]

ivor:

Juski: start a new shell and see what happens

[09:15:18]

Juski:

heh seems to work, ivor

[09:15:31]

ivor:

the shell cached the location

[09:16:01]

Anduin:

Yeah, my mistake, I didn't read all the way to the end

[09:17:17]

seme:

ok I'm just checking the sound settings again to make sure that there isn't any problem with how I've set everything up... I don't see anything..

[09:17:25]

seme:

are all video files played with mplayer?

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Dagmar:

Juski: type `hash -r` when you encounter something like that

[09:18:05]

Dagmar:

Juski: Bash (for good reason) only scans the PATH once when it starts, and it stores everything it finds in a hash table so when you run something, if it finds it in the hash table, it assumes it's still going to be there.

[09:18:21]

Juski:

ahhh.. very handy to know.. cheers Dagmar :)

[09:18:24]

Dagmar:

np

[09:18:30]

Anduin:

seme: No, mplayer is used rarely in 0.20

[09:19:23]

Juski:

hmm... wonder if this has been reported...

[09:19:43]

Juski:

because I'm using my old db backup, it's looking for my theme. running mythfrontend --reset isn't working

[09:19:58]

seme:

I'm going to try this after cleaning out the old config files

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** Juski installs his theme **

[09:22:13]

Juski:

dammit

[09:22:18]

lagbolt:

hey, anyone up and want to let me know if there is an easy way to take care of /var/log/mysql . . . the size of the mysql-bin logs is huge

[09:23:16]

Anduin:

lagbolt: disable it

[09:23:32]

ivor:

logrotate

[09:23:33]

lagbolt:

wont cause problems with the db?

[09:23:56]

lagbolt:

Anduin, i was going to but i didnt see anything in my google searches saying it was a great idea so i thought i would ask

[09:24:15]

lagbolt:

also there is some info in my.cnf about crashes related to limiting the size

[09:24:18]

Juski:

mythfrontend -r is saying there's a problem with X

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Anduin:

Juski: set DISPLAY

[09:24:51]

seme:

what should the default player be? Mine is currently set to mplayer -fs -zoom -quiet -vo xv %s

[09:25:03]

Juski:

that's not it, I'm doing this on the host screen

[09:25:06]

seme:

the default dvd player is "Internal"

[09:25:33]

Juski:

I might have to go in & reset the theme

[09:26:02]

TheAncient:

in the netflix myth addon where do you set your personal information so it can examine the queue and stuff?

[09:26:16]

TheAncient:

i only have options to choose lists like Top 100

[09:26:16]

ivor:

oh "log-bin"... doh. ignore rotate comment, just disable it as Anduin said. :)

[09:26:37]

Dagmar:

I just throw 'em away

[09:26:56]

Dagmar:

I highly doubt I'll ever use the binary goop that comes out

[09:27:01]

ivor:

I think I need a coffee.

[09:27:13]

lagbolt:

so once its disabled i can just remove the files?

[09:27:26]

Dagmar:

You could remove the files before you disable it

[09:27:32]

lagbolt:

sweet

[09:27:34]

lagbolt:

thanks

[09:28:14]

Dagmar:

IIRC it's a dump of the crapola that was going on when something of significance happens

[09:28:38]

Juski:

update settings set data="G.A.N.T." where value="Theme" and hostname="mythback";

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Anduin:

lagbolt: They are there so you could restore from binary/apply from log and get back to "current". Mostly a silly thing to do for your TV (just back up your DB, nightly is nice)

[09:29:15]

Anduin:

It is every data change event: http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/binary-log.html

[09:29:21]

Juski:

bah... runtime prefix is still /usr/local !

[09:29:31]

Anduin:

Juski: It was a trick

[09:31:31]

lagbolt:

thanks

[09:31:34]

Juski:

so hang on... which mythfrontend says /usr/bin, but mythfrontend thinks the runtime prefix is /usr/local ? why would that be? can you tell I don't know that much about the inner workings of linux yet?

[09:32:37]

Anduin:

Juski: It shouldn't think the prefix is one thing and be installed into another (overlooking a few rare cases)

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Dagmar:

Juski: What's making you say the runtime prefix is /usr/local?

[09:33:13]

Juski:

Dagmar: mostly the output from mythfrontend saying that

[09:33:26]

Dagmar:

Hmm...

[09:33:32]

Juski:

this is likely to be an ubuntu thing isn't it?

[09:33:37]

Dagmar:

It shouldn't if you did a make clean between builds

[09:35:20]

Juski:

so make uninstall isn't make clean++

[09:35:35]

Juski:

I've been learning quite a bit these last 2 days :)

[09:35:37]

Dagmar:

If you built it without specifying (prefix=/usr/local) and compiled the stuff and then ran configure again with --prefix=/usr and went straight to make install, it'll install the binaries you built with the old config data

[09:36:03]

Dagmar:

make clean is definitely supposed to clear out all the created object files and so forth

[09:36:08]

seme:

Anduin: I did have spdif pass through enabled... that was what was causing the problem

[09:36:12]

seme:

Anduin: thank you

[09:36:41]

Juski:

so, make clean doesn't do stuff make distclean does, and make uninstall doesn't do what make clean does, etc etc etc

[09:36:47]

Anduin:

seme: There is a thread on the mail list about this, I wasn't following it very close though.

[09:36:55]

Dagmar:

make uninstall is basically just the same thing as make install (which is really only supposed to just COPY files, not make new ones) but reversed

[09:37:03]

Juski:

they're entirely seperate methods... ding! penny drops

[09:37:36]

Dagmar:

The only reason going from ./configure straight to `make install` without saying `make` in between works is because make is kinda smart in a hamsterish way

[09:37:39]

Juski:

beggars belief how I've actually managed to make this work before, without any issues whatsoever. I must've been flooky

[09:38:01]

Dagmar:

It is smart enough to recognize that the install target is dependent on the (implied) 'all' target, which is what you get when you just say `make`.

[09:38:22]

Dagmar:

...so when you do `make install` it will do a `make all` first if the targets for that weren't compiled already

[09:38:43]

Juski:

I hope I remember this someday

[09:38:54]

Dagmar:

After a few years you'll be doing it in your sleep

[09:39:02]

Dagmar:

...if you are struck a solid blow to the head.

[09:39:08]

Juski:

I was almost doing it in my sleep last night

[09:39:15]

Dagmar:

Ideally, you'll be _scripting_ this stuff before too much longer.

[09:39:20]

Dagmar:

It reduces the amount of silly mistakes.

[09:39:38]

Juski:

it's not something I hope to be doing a lot of on my production box

[09:39:49]

Dagmar:

I manually build each new package *once* to make sure I have a chance to notice something going wrong in the scroll.

[09:39:57]

Dagmar:

...after that, it's nothing but scripted builds from then on out.

[09:40:29]

Dagmar:

I don't have to remember whether or not I compile support for feature y using algorithm z the last time to avoid breaking anything.

[09:40:30]

Juski:

and this make clean would've cleared out anything ccache had too I take it?

[09:40:48]

Dagmar:

Juski: In theory it should. I don't use ccache

[09:40:56]

Juski:

right

[09:41:09]

Juski:

anyway that was too quick to have been from scratch so I guess not

[09:41:13]

Anduin:

It won't clear the actual cache

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Dagmar:

I don't have anything (other than superstition) against it. I just have an X2 3800+ I build on and stuff goes by so fast I can barely read it anyway

[09:42:14]

Juski:

only on an xp2000 here

[09:42:39]

Juski:

when I eventually get the bottle to move my desktop back to linux I'll no doubt enjoy the benefits of distcc

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Juski:

hmmm in the myththemes dir, I run ./configure & get 'error, please run configure'.. heh

[09:44:46]

Juski:

but thanks to my brain being plugged in still, ./configure --prefix=/usr works

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Juski:

finally!

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Juski:

I might just be able to finish this today

[09:48:09]

Juski:

pvr150 works, and my channel change script is functional... wooo

[09:48:32]

Juski:

and now the only time I ever use PiP

[09:49:41]

Juski:

watching 2 streams gives me 45% cpu usage.. hmmm

[09:50:17]

Juski:

riiiiight.. now mythweb...!

[09:51:13]

Dagmar:

Hmm... no more max_b_frames option

[09:58:24]

Juski:

hmmm.. can't remember how to do this...

[09:58:40]

Dagmar:

Can't remember how to do what?

[10:01:05]

Juski:

get mythweb working on ubuntu

[10:01:10]

Dagmar:

Oh

[10:01:13]

otwin:

just cp mythweb folder and cp your old .htaccess

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Juski:

forgot to copy the old .htaccess over... oops

[10:01:52]

Dagmar:

I'm postponing even touching MythWeb until I have a chance to put a hardened Apache package together for it

[10:02:42]

Dagmar:

OKay, I see. It looks like the command line stuff for ffmpeg has changed severely enough in SVN that there's no point in trying to fix nuvexport yet

[10:03:05]

Juski:

what's the fascination with changing the command options so often?

[10:03:31]

Juski:

that's just blatant elitism IMHO

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Dagmar:

Juski: Frankly to me it looks like they're eliminating the crazy ones no one short of people in NASA doing deep-space spectrography would ever want to muck with

[10:09:29]

Dagmar:

I think I'm just going to go with mencoder for now since it seems faster and less crazy

[10:12:17]

Dagmar:

mencoder's xvid support has no -nosound option. :/

[10:12:23]

Dagmar:

nuvexport depends on it

[10:12:38]

Juski:

they've changed the bloody config stuff for apache again

[10:14:21]

Dagmar:

I'm subbing -oac copy with it for the first pass and just crossing my fingers

[10:14:36]

Dagmar:

I'm really unsure what the hell is happening with these two-pass encodes other than the quality is supposed to be better

[10:15:32]

Dagmar:

I know it's probably doing some kind of analysis on the file but I don't see where it's storing that for the second pass to see

[10:15:35]

Juski:

it does different stuff according to which pass it is.. cuts down on the estimation or something

[10:16:15]

Juski:

mod_env must be enabled, but I can't find anything pertaining to env in mods_available

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Dagmar:

I'm *hoping* that using -oac copy will *not* result in the audio being horridly doubled in volume or something

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Juski:

wth do all these devs deem it necessary to confuse users like this? changing stuff around every bloody 5 minutes.. it's annoying as hell

[10:18:09]

Juski:

"by the way we changed the config method to one we think is better, when you probably thought there was nothing wrong with the old way. Keeps you on your toes, eh?"

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Darthy:

hi

[10:20:16]

Darthy:

why does mythtv – when its already recording a specific channel doesnt use the recording device which is already capturing in live-tv?

[10:20:31]

Darthy:

i mean when switching to this specific channel

[10:20:31]

Juski:

because it ain't that smart yet

[10:20:42]

Darthy:

hmm..

[10:20:59]

Juski:

it'd mean a pretty huge change to the way mythtv works, too

[10:21:13]

Juski:

best way IMHO is not to use livetv at all.. works for me

[10:21:37]

toma:

As soon as I press skip during playback the image freezes and the audio goes wild

[10:22:19]

Juski:

toma: possible recordedmarkup table corruption, or if it's on a remote frontend, maybe a time issue (timezone more than likely)

[10:22:22]

Darthy:

whats really annoying is the fdollowing: when im recording all simpsons episodes for example, i have set to start recording 5 mns earlier.. after the 1st espsode another simpsons ep is shown and mythtv uses my next capturing device instead of just keep the one which is already recording.

[10:22:23]

Dagmar:

Darthy: Probably because LiveTV is not the same as the recording profile selected

[10:22:39]

Dagmar:

Darthy: Then *don't do that*

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Juski:

use the pre-roll

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Dagmar:

There's a different place you tell it to discretionally start _all_ recordings n seconds early and end them n seconds late

[10:23:12]

Juski:

the maximum is still 60 seconds IIRC though

[10:23:14]

toma:

Juski: i repaired a crashed table a couple of seconds ago

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Darthy:

dagmar> pre-roll?

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Dagmar:

IF it's possible, it will start them early. If not, it has no problem bumpering two programs that are one after the other and skipping that padding time

[10:23:37]

toma:

error : Table './mythconverg/recordedmarkup' is marked as crashed and should be repaired

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Juski:

toma: you might need to run mythcommflag -all

[10:24:08]

toma:

Juski: allright, let me try

[10:24:20]

Dagmar:

Darthy: I suggest you carefully go through all the setup menus one at a time, reading their help descriptions along the way

[10:24:51]

Dagmar:

...because asking me _where_ setting X is is a waste of time.

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Dagmar:

I don't know.

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Darthy:

i did.. but i have the german version

[10:25:03]

Dagmar:

I just wander aroudn the setup menus until I find what I was looking for

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Juski:

it's in tv > recording settings

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Juski:

I think

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Dagmar:

That sounds like a good place to start looking

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Darthy:

i read somewhere there, you could enter an offset in mins or something that will be added when recording a specific genre

[10:26:28]

Darthy:

but didnt work for me.. maybe i used the false genre

[10:26:38]

Dagmar:

s/false/incorrect/;

[10:26:51]

Darthy:

k

[10:26:52]

Darthy:

:)

[10:26:58]

TheAncient:

i figured out my stuck channel 4 problem but it doesnt make alot of sense. I was trying to add a second tv tuner card that was bttv based and it appears it was somehow causing a problem with the pvr250. i took out the second tuner and now the first tuner has no problems changing channels

[10:27:06]

Dagmar:

No problem

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Dagmar:

I use the global setting for padding recordings

[10:27:16]

Juski:

there's a setting in the settings table called RecordPreRoll

[10:27:39]

Dagmar:

It'll still switch over to tuner 2 to record the second program while the padding time is still in effect, if you're not using tuner 2, but at least if you are it doesn't get upset about it

[10:27:41]

Juski:

so I imagine that's either in mythtv-setup or mythfrontend > utils/setup > setup > tv > recording somwehere

[10:27:42]

Darthy:

and whats it doing exactly when enabling preroll ?

[10:28:06]

toma:

Juski: that will take ages, right?

[10:28:32]

Juski:

Darthy: if a recording isn't already taking place on the tuner it's gonna use, it'll pad the recording by X seconds – i.e. start recording early

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Juski:

toma: if you have a slow box / a lot of recordings, yes

[10:29:18]

** Juski curses stupid vhosts **

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TheAncient:

the last issue i am trying to figure out is why mythfrontend is highly sensitive to keyboard key presses. if i press enter it often registers it as 2 enter presses, same goes for any keypress inside mythfrontend only

[10:29:29]

Dagmar:

Oh so mythcommflag -all makes it go and redo commercial flagging for all recordings?

[10:29:30]

toma:

Juski: there is no way to restore integrity without marking commercials?

[10:29:44]

Darthy:

cool.. thats the feature i need

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Juski:

toma: nope

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Dagmar:

TheAncient: what you want it to ignore your keypresses?

[10:30:36]

TheAncient:

Dagmar: no........ i want it to register a single keypress as a single keypress and not more than one

[10:30:44]

Darthy:

so ill put the offsets directly in recording options of each record all to zero again and switch the one in the frontend tv-options

[10:31:03]

Dagmar:

TheAncient: I'm not having any problems with that actually. It might be a problem on your end

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Darthy:

i understood so far.. thanx for the help!

[10:31:34]

Juski:

hmmm... mythweb is now saying the php module for mysql isn't loaded

[10:31:36]

TheAncient:

Dagmar: wow yea, i figured its a problem i am having since i am bringing it up, but it happens on my laptop and both workstations.

[10:35:38]

Darthy:

another question: is there a possibity to set an automated recording (weekly, every day, aso) to match with the guide in just a substring? i have some tv-series which are named by their tv-series-name and their episode name like "the simpsons – homer and the mega-chilli-flash" if i enable recording this, it wont record any other episode from the simpsons

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Dagmar:

Yep

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Juski:

Parse error: syntax error, unexpected ')' in /usr/share/mythtv/mythweb/includes/recording_schedules.php on line 271

[10:37:46]

Juski:

I grabbed this from the -fixes branch.. say this isn't so

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Juski:

god don't make me post on the mailing lists.. please ;)

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Juski:

it's the unholy query length, I suspect

[10:52:29]

Dagmar:

lol

[10:53:12]

Dagmar:

SELECT SHOW FROM PROGRAMMING WHERE TITLE IS LIKE 'My Pretty Pony' [...]?

[10:56:43]

Juski:

there's no known issue with php5 is there?

[10:56:53]

Juski:

and mythweb I mean...

[10:56:57]

Dagmar:

I can't really even guess about that one

[10:57:16]

Dagmar:

there might well be. I'd just find out what xris is using.

[10:57:20]

Dagmar:

Pester his webserver. ::)

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Juski:

when I click on anything to do with programmes, be it listings, schedule recordings, recorded programmes... I get "Parse error: syntax error, unexpected ')' in /var/www/mythweb/includes/recording_schedules.php on line 271"

[10:57:55]

Dagmar:

He's got nuvexport just slapping directories into /tmp, so it'll probably fess up

[10:58:50]

Juski:

sheesh why is it me who gets all the nasty problems?

[10:59:18]

Dagmar:

blah he doesn't have mod_php on forevermore.net apparently so that's no indication

[10:59:30]

Juski:

oh hang on...

[10:59:39]

Juski:

I wonder if this is a mysql perms issue

[11:00:16]

otwin:

i'm running mythweb on ubuntu fine here – but that is fixes rev. 11274

[11:00:22]

Juski:

actually it can't be cos all the other mythweb stuff which talks to the db is fine

[11:00:59]

Juski:

using 11361 here

[11:01:17]

Juski:

nothing else for it but to hitch myself up to the ML

[11:02:38]

Juski:

wonder if it has to do with the hostname...

[11:04:31]

otwin:

did you check your old .htaccess with the readme – may be you should use the included .htaccess after all and modify it.

[11:05:53]

Juski:

I'm not using my old .htaccess

[11:06:32]

Juski:

actually while I'm still working on this I need to block port 80 on my router again

[11:11:38]

ivor:

right thats it. what have you done with the real Juski . this ones clearly fake and never used linux before.

[11:12:20]

Juski:

lol

[11:12:23]

Juski:

if only...

[11:13:12]

Juski:

ivor: mythweb _works_ but for the tv stuff

[11:13:25]

Juski:

and now mythtv.org is down again

[11:13:26]

Juski:

pfft

[11:14:56]

Dagmar:

ivor: I was wondering that myself, but nickserv seems to trust him

[11:15:38]

ivor:

could be some random blonde at his pc though?

[11:15:46]

Juski:

this isn't very funny

[11:15:46]

Dagmar:

We can only hope

[11:16:18]

Juski:

I've done this loads of times.. been thrown a curveball by all the stuff I know being useless now config stuff has changed beyond recognition

[11:16:52]

Dagmar:

This wouldn't happen if you'd update your apache every thirty minutes like they want you to

[11:17:00]

Dagmar:

Then you'd be up to date on the Changelog reading

[11:17:03]

Juski:

IIRC, if I'd got anything wrong with .htaccess or my apache config, mythweb won't work – which isn't the case

[11:17:06]

Dagmar:

Yeah, I know it's a bitch

[11:17:40]

Dagmar:

The apache guys have this thing for making minor changes to the config steadily over time, so if you wait a year to update the same minor release even you can expect that everything will come out scrambled

[11:18:17]

Juski:

they're guaranteeing income from consultancy work

[11:19:32]

** Juski wonders which mysql is installed here **

[11:20:26]

Juski:

my old backend was mysql4, the current one is mysql5..

[11:22:02]

Juski:

IMHO the problem starts at line 253 in recording_schedules.php

[11:22:20]

Dagmar:

dig @195.121.1.34 phoenix.edu fails

[11:22:22]

Dagmar:

wrong channel

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[11:22:37]

Juski:

this huge query.. mysql is complaining about there being an unexpected ), which would seem to me like a syntax issue

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[11:22:58]

Dagmar:

This will sound lame, but pull it into vim

[11:23:04]

Dagmar:

It's got showmatch and syntax coloring

[11:23:12]

Dagmar:

It might make the problem jump right out at you

[11:23:44]

Juski:

syntax colouring? not here it hasn't

[11:24:04]

Juski:

or do I need to learn a 'special move' to enable that?;)

[11:24:24]

Dagmar:

Wow

[11:24:41]

Dagmar:

It comes with example_vimrc, but in the meantime try, umm... :set syn on

[11:25:12]

Dagmar:

er :syn on

[11:25:13]

Juski:

unknown option 'on'

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Dagmar:

I usually just copy the vimrc_example file to ~/.vimrc and be done with it

[11:25:38]

Dagmar:

Lemme get the filename right on that

[11:26:00]

Juski:

right syn on worked

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Dagmar:

See if you have something like usr/share/vim/vim63/vimrc_example.vim

[11:26:23]

Dagmar:

Drop that in as ~/.vimrc when you get a free moment sometime

[11:26:27]

Dagmar:

Makes life a little simpler

[11:26:47]

Juski:

all seems to be in order around that part of the code. wonder if this is some stupid ubuntu thing again, like say limiting the query length to something useless

[11:26:48]

Dagmar:

the showmatch function is super-handy for tracking down stray braces

[11:26:53]

Dagmar:

Might be

[11:27:34]

Dagmar:

I can't believe you've been living wihtout color syntax highlighting

[11:27:46]

Juski:

I always got by without it

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Dagmar:

Crazy

[11:28:13]

Dagmar:

You realize to a lot of coders that would be like being completely color blind

[11:28:25]

Dagmar:

It's something you get _very_ used to very quickly

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Juski:

oo this isn't a mysql problem.. must be a php thing then

[11:28:52]

Dagmar:

"Oh wait, that word came out in purple... doh I mistyped it"

[11:28:54]

Juski:

line 253 only sets up the $sh variable

[11:29:08]

Juski:

doh no..

[11:29:12]

Juski:

it IS a query..

[11:29:34]

otwin:

Juski: here is a diff between your and my recording_schedules.php: http://pastebin.ca/187691

[11:29:44]

otwin:

notice line 270,271...

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Juski:

what the....

[11:30:59]

JohnQ:

Are the mythtv website(s) down?

[11:32:32]

Juski:

otwin: well, changing the lines to what your rev say, I get a different error

[11:36:25]

otwin:

Juski: well there are some more files that have changed since then. unfortunately your mythweb rev. is not compatible with my backend rev. so I could try to update and see if it works here.

[11:37:18]

Juski:

I'm still not 100% sure mod_env is enabled & I dunno how to check on this apache version

[11:40:35]

psofa:

seems like Juski is having php fun!

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otwin:

phpinfo will tell you – create phpinfo.php in mythweb folder and put <?php phpinfo() ?> in it

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flithm:

hey everyone... I'm trying get to mythfrontend to use internal mixer controls, and it keeps saying "Invalid CTL /dev/sound/mixer" (I've tried other locations), and I've verified that the device it's looking for exists. Anyone get any ideas on how I can fix this?

[11:42:00]

otwin:

under 'apache2handler' it shows the loaded modules

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Juski:

holy SHIT! machine just crashed spectacularly

[11:42:36]

Juski:

it just doesn't wanna run 0.20

[11:42:52]

Juski:

oh the HDD disappeared. great :-|

[11:42:59]

otwin:

ouch

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JohnQ:

seriously... can somone verify if www.mythweb.org is there? Is it just me?

[11:43:25]

Juski:

JohnQ: it's not there

[11:43:27]

Juski:

again

[11:43:27]

flithm:

JohnQ: down for me

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psofa:

Juski, iirc there was a mythweb bug on 0.20 and a quick fix was out a little later.Or was it something else?

[11:43:32]

JohnQ:

thanks

[11:43:43]

Juski:

psofa: this is something else altogether

[11:43:49]

psofa:

:/

[11:44:08]

psofa:

well have fun :D

[11:44:13]

Juski:

running fsck on /dev/hda now

[11:44:31]

Juski:

I'll have to get it up again, then clone it when it worky :)

[11:45:21]

flithm:

about the mixer thing... I've figured out the problem is because I'm using "ALSA:default" as the output sound device... people are saying you can't use /dev/mixer as the mixer device if you do that... anyone know what I'm supposed to set it to?

[11:45:22]

otwin:

that reminds me to run mondoarchive again

[11:45:44]

Juski:

might even be the PSU giving up.. it's a much bigger disk than I had in before.. in addition to the other big disks

[11:46:06]

otwin:

my last psu lasted for 4 months...

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Juski:

dunno if I can spare Â£50 for a new PSU after having my car seen to yesterday

[11:46:35]

otwin:

it was expensive 'made for servers' – cost 160 euros

[11:46:58]

otwin:

now have a noname again – cant be worse

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Juski:

nope. mod_env is there

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otwin:

Juski: and mod_rewrite too?

[11:49:20]

Juski:

yep

[11:50:28]

otwin:

you could do it like me and put a mythweb file in apache2/conf.d

[11:50:42]

otwin:

http://pastebin.ca/187706

[11:51:05]

toma:

Juski: mythcommflag has resolved the issue indeed. Thanks a lot for the quick and accurate help.

[11:51:30]

otwin:

apache probably needs a reload to pick it up

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otwin:

sorry forgot a line

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Juski:

gah now mythweb can't connect to the backend

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otwin:

wait

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Juski:

I didn't change anything

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Juski:

mythfrontend works, which proves the backend is working

[11:53:18]

Juski:

er.. oops... it's not working

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otwin:

it's just an alias – but if you have problems with vhosts and stuff it could help: http://pastebin.ca/187708

[11:56:49]

JohnQ:

hmmm the debian package is up to 0.20–0.2 .. I wonder if its worth it.

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Juski:

how do I test the backend's running again? telnet into port 6543?

[11:59:01]

Juski:

it IS running, just nothing seems to be able to connect to it

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otwin:

point nmap to your host

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otwin:

should show you ports 6543 and 6544

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JohnQ:

this'll be fun... gonna attempt an apt-get dist-upgrade while watching a show.. ;-)

[12:01:01]

Juski:

well well well... no such thing here... apache on 80 etc...

[12:02:00]

Juski:

ahhh... problem with the init script

[12:02:08]

Juski:

can run it manually no problem

[12:03:57]

Juski:

right back to square one.. Parse error: syntax error, unexpected ')' in /var/www/mythweb/includes/recording_schedules.php on line 271

[12:06:14]

JohnQ:

hehe.. live update... dangerous.

[12:06:55]

JohnQ:

apparently they changed the protocol version ;-)

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psofa:

Juski, you could go there and see whats wrong....

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JohnQ:

doh. opengl themepainter doesnt work after the upgrade. Tragic

[12:08:38]

Juski:

psofa: I have.. all looks fine

[12:09:40]

Juski:

apart from the huge length of the query it generates...

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psofa:

:/

[12:11:38]

Juski:

fixed the init script anyway.. thanks to parker1.co.uk

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Dagmar:

My guess is that quite possibly there's an upper limit to the length of queries allowed to mod_php to keep it from being 'sploited

[12:14:30]

Juski:

that's already been along the lines of what I'd guessed

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JohnQ:

ahhh opengl is back.. all is well.. upgrade completed with 45 minutes to spare! I rule.

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Dagmar:

Ooookay.

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nero:

'morning everyone.. (or afternoon/evening/night)

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Dagmar:

Some people don't have time, you insensitive clod

[12:20:08]

Dagmar:

Hmm... That doesn't seem to work

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nero:

ok, fine.. goood _____ for those who doent have time.. :p

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nero:

I see you are evil dagmar this morning? ;)

[12:20:41]

Dagmar:

heheh

[12:20:50]

Dagmar:

Mainly the usual Dagmar d'Surreal

[12:20:57]

nero:

gotcha.

[12:21:26]

** nero starts playing with mythgallery once again.. Ken burns effect.. here I come.. **

[12:22:27]

Dagmar:

I think the opengl transitions already have that covered

[12:22:48]

nero:

Ken Burns effect isn't a transition.. its a movement of the image between transitions..

[12:23:16]

Juski:

hmm... "watch out for mssql.timeout configuration value – if you dealing with scripts that take long time to run (backup managment, dts jobs), it might just stop running query in the middle without giving any php or sql error."

[12:23:24]

Dagmar:

So just make the transisions very long and have the images only stay valid for a half second.

[12:23:26]

** nero goes looking to see if someone has added a ken burns effect dealie to the transitions. **

[12:23:51]

nero:

Dagmar- with ken burns, you can specifiy where you want the image to start and stop.. lets you make a "moving" slideshow..

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nero:

for those who use mythgallery a lot, and want to that is..

[12:25:30]

Juski:

Ken Burns must've been THE rostrum cameraman of his day

[12:25:39]

Dagmar:

Mainly I just have geek porn on mine

[12:25:52]

Dagmar:

i.e.,. video game screenshots

[12:26:13]

Dagmar:

Dropping my screenshots collection in with the personal photos was probably a mistake

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nero:

Dagmar, imagine zooming slowly in on that DRM disabled blu-ray player, then slowly fading to a 30" flat panel..

[12:26:20]

Dagmar:

The screenshots outnumber the rest 25 to 1

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nero:

hehe

[12:26:37]

Dagmar:

Sounds like too much time spent tagging images with meta-data

[12:27:07]

nero:

Dagmar, well, coupled with music, makes a very nice slideshow.. we use mythgallery all the time when we are showing people our vacation photos, etc.. and at parties..

[12:27:22]

Dagmar:

I like my friends.

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nero:

heh.. And our friends like us.. they are the ones who are asking to see photos, etc..

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Juski:

right.. if somebody could take a look at this I'd appreciate it... http://www.juski.co.uk/phpinfo.php.html

[12:30:49]

nero:

Juski, a page not found?

[12:30:57]

Juski:

try again

[12:31:29]

nero:

What am I looking for?

[12:32:05]

Juski:

a possible reason why mythweb doesn't work on the tv listings stuff

[12:32:25]

Juski:

problem with the query resulting in Parse error: syntax error, unexpected ')' in /var/www/mythweb/includes/recording_schedules.php on line 271

[12:33:17]

nero:

is this svn or 0.20?

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Dagmar:

I'm not seeing anything significant.

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Dagmar:

I'd say just put it on hold until xris comes around

[12:33:43]

nero:

nor am I.. it looks like my phpinfo, and my listings work fine.

[12:34:44]

Juski:

aye well I should maybe crack on & get minimyth going now

[12:35:08]

Dagmar:

OMG this new South Park will pwn

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otwin:

Juski: nothing significantely different than here – only have 2 modules more loaded mod_auth_digest mod_auth_pam – but thats not the problem

[12:40:29]

Juski:

otwin: thanks anyway :)

[12:40:55]

Juski:

I can see me putting this thing to bed again later

[12:41:08]

Juski:

no mythweb, no go

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otwin:

Juski: you should have less problems with minimyth ;-)

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nero:

Juski, is this 0.20?

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Juski:

nero yes it's 0.20

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nero:

have you posted what line 271 in that file is?

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Juski:

_or($this->maxnewest, 0, true),

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nero:

whats the line before it?

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Juski:

_or($this->category, 0, ),

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nero:

well, doesnt look like any gremlins that crawled into the file..

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nero:

that is a strange error to be getting. which php? How'd you install them?

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Juski:

php5

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Juski:

installed with apt-get install php5-mysql

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juski_:

well, screen works anyway

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lupin_sanse1:

how much faster is .20 at changing the channel in DVB?

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Juski:

very much so

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lupin_sanse1:

my .19 is taking 4.5 seconds to change

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lupin_sanse1:

is the problem all Myth (.19) or is some of that inherent in DVB?

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Juski:

mostly with the dvb api IIRC but it's been worked around in 0.20

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lupin_sanse1:

oh okay. I wonder how long it will take under .20?

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Juski:

little point in upgrading to 0.20 just for faster channel changes

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Juski:

(IMHO)

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lupin_sanse1:

yeah I will wait a while

[13:05:34]

Juski:

it's greatly reduced from > 10 seconds on my box though

[13:05:45]

lupin_sanse1:

I don't actually surf channels much under myth, I almost always watch recordings

[13:06:16]

lupin_sanse1:

I wonder if with dual CPU or dual core myth will ever do real time-ish commerical flagging?

[13:13:47]

Dagmar:

Maybe when we get 8Ghz CPUs

[13:13:58]

LabMonkey:

uhm

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LabMonkey:

I've got a hardware encoder card

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LabMonkey:

and a 3Ghz P4 HT

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Dagmar:

Good for you then

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psofa:

there was a prog i read about a month ago or so that was about p2p tv *casts etc but i dont remember the name:P .Can anyone guess what im talking about?

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LabMonkey:

theoretically I suppose it *could* do commflagging on the fly

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LabMonkey:

but it doesn't

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Dagmar:

I'm also predicting for when we'll have _accurate_ commercial detection

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scopeuk:

never

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LabMonkey:

and honestly

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LabMonkey:

what would be the point?

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janneg:

huh, commercial detection is already faster than watching

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LabMonkey:

with a machine this fast the commflagging job completes very quickly

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Dagmar:

That's not counting the time you spend going back through and makign sure it's not gone insane

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Dagmar:

I've had it chop off the ends of programs, skip segments, etc

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LabMonkey:

well the only way we'll ever have perfect commercial detection is if the content providers place unmistakable commercial queue signals with the content

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LabMonkey:

which isn't going to happen

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janneg:

and I think we have near realtime commercial flagger support. it is maybe 30 late

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Dagmar:

Or we outsource it to Chinese grade school students

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Dagmar:

They work for cheap

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LabMonkey:

are you trying to audition for a spot on Drawn Together?

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Dagmar:

Nope, just being pragmatic

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LabMonkey:

because it's funny when they say shit like that

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LabMonkey:

but not when you do

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janneg:

but you can't watch something live if you want to skip commercials

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Dagmar:

The difference is, unlike a cartoon character, I could probably hire chinese kids to do my commercial flagging

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LabMonkey:

it still wouldn't be real-time

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Juski:

yay minimyth just about boots

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LabMonkey:

so this hwraid I'm having problems with..

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LabMonkey:

I'm trying different kernels to see if I can track down where the problem is

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LabMonkey:

last test I ran was iozone

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LabMonkey:

after I rebooted to regain use of the drive in question the partition claims to have been mounted 2239 times without being checked...

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LabMonkey:

2239 times

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LabMonkey:

wtf

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LabMonkey:

either megaraid, sd, sg, or ext3 is seriously screwed up here

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LabMonkey:

or (and I'm saving this as last resort) the controller or its memory is jacked

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lupin_sanse1:

You could already have human commercial flagging if you don't mind paying using that Amazon mechanical turk service.

[13:25:14]

LabMonkey:

but the sad part here is that it's a 1TB partition, so fsck is taking forever :(

[13:26:07]

otwin:

Juski: I'm not sure about this – but wasn't mythphone once part of minimyth?

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lupin_sanse1:

I reckon you could submit to the service the programme "digest" and have the mechanical turks pick the screens that are obviously commericals, then submit more frames around that until they pinpoint the start and end of the commericals

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Juski:

otwin: not AFAIK

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fryfrog:

Does anyone have a Motorola DCP-700 STB?

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LabMonkey:

personally I'd kind of like to see commercials come on some kind of sideband so you could have something like squid just block the commercial content in the first place

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lupin_sanse1:

What difference does the "strict commerical detection" setting make?

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fryfrog:

holey shit

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fryfrog:

this tiny ass little DCP 700 only has RF out and RCA out!

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LabMonkey:

I don't even know what that is

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LabMonkey:

the DCP 700 I mean

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fryfrog:

its a set top box

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fryfrog:

I was *hoping* to find a set top box with s-video output

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edgester:

Is the mythtv web site down?

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LabMonkey:

edgester: did you break teh intarwebs again?

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edgester:

obviously no, because I got here

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lupin_sanse1:

edgester: yes it is from my end

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edgester:

down?

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lupin_sanse1:

I can't reach it, it times out

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edgester:

ah,thanks

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LabMonkey:

same

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edgester:

It pings though, weird. Is the webmaster aware?

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LabMonkey:

it's on a box at osuosl

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Juski:

O M F G !!

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Juski:

mythstream works in minimyth, in 0.20

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Juski:

now all I need is for mythweb to work & I'm set

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nero:

hooray Juski :)

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Juski:

apart from tweaking, of course

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LabMonkey:

horrays

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Juski:

so.. I've learned a lot about compiling, stuff I didn't need to know & just got by without from fluking

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Adam:

hi all

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Juski:

set up PXEbooting & tftp on ubuntu, too

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Juski:

hey Adam

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brian_:

fryfrog – i have a mot dct 700

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Adam:

I have installed myth on a ubuntu system (daper) with the cirrect ivtv drivers and I can certify the drivers are compiled and working correctley from shell. So I installed mythtv using apt-get. I then run mythtv-setup all goes well and I see channles I want in the channle editor but when I run mythbackend and then the mythfrontend those channles just give me static like they are not tunned. I know its not hardware problem as I can tune the card in a t

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Adam:

*correct

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Juski:

Adam maybe the frequencies are wrong, or you selected the wrong frequency table in mythtv-setup

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fryfrog:

brian_: it only has RCA / RF output, right brian?

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brian_:

yup

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Adam:

probally a stupid questions but how would I find the correct frequencies for the channles I am after?

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fryfrog:

damn :(

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Juski:

anyone happen to know how to change the default vnc port ubuntu uses?

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Adam:

5900 and 5800 for the java / web client

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Adam:

thats what I am using with my ubuntu box at present

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Juski:

_how to change the_

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Honk^away:

Juski: start the vnc server on another screen ;)

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Honk^away:

vncserver :2

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Honk^away:

:p

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Honk^away:

that'll give 5902 ;)

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LabMonkey:

I'm gonna have to turn on super-verbose scsi logging I guess

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Juski:

I know I can always run another vnc server...

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LabMonkey:

and probably ext3 debugging

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Honk^away:

well.. that's the way vnc works :P

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Juski:

ahh... vnc.conf in /etc :)

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LabMonkey:

Juski: hey do you know how I can attach a vnc server to an already running X session?

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Juski:

nope

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LabMonkey:

damn

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Honk^away:

run x0vncserver

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Honk^away:

though that's got an awfully bad performance :P

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Honk^away:

using vnc.so is way better =)

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LabMonkey:

Honk^away: well the purpose is so I can use my win32 box here to position a color-changing video over a stuck pixel on my lcd tv

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brian_:

fry – what did you need in your config?

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Honk^away:

LabMonkey: well.. you can try =)

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Honk^away:

btw.. why does my mythtv crash every day while playing music at night? :P

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LabMonkey:

Honk^away: backend?

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Honk^away:

frontend

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LabMonkey:

dunno

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LabMonkey:

my 0.20 backend has crashed a couple of times while playing video

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LabMonkey:

err

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LabMonkey:

immediately after playing video

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Honk^away:

mine's been fine so far

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Honk^away:

the frontend crashes reliably though :]

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JohnQ:

grr.. the mythweb debian package hasnt been updated to use the new proto version.

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fryfrog:

guess i'll have to make due with RCA inputs :(

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fish_:

hi

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fryfrog:

for some reason i feel sad downgrading my cable service :)

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fish_:

are there any other mythtv frontends than mythfrontend? maybe something just for viewing tv?

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Juski:

viewing recordings only. that'd be xbmcmythtv on xbox media centre, tapeworm on windows

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fish_:

mkay

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fish_:

btw: which codecs/muxers are used for the streaming backend -> frontend?

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fish_:

ah, just found that http://winmyth.sourceforge.net/, well it isn really usefull for me..

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fish_:

is mythtv.org down atm?

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JohnQ:

yes

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fish_:

than you need to explain the mythtv protocol for me :>

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fryfrog:

i doubt anyone here exactly *knows* it

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JohnQ:

ya.. right... i'll get right on that.

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fryfrog:

prolly need the dev channel

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GreyFoxx:

fish_: There is no specific codecused for streaming.

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fish_:

there are 3 ports if i believe netstat, one udp multicast group and two tcp ports

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GreyFoxx:

It's just whatever was recorded

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JohnQ:

is the mythweb in svn up to date with the new protocol version? 31?

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GreyFoxx:

I believe so

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fryfrog:

shit, the DCT700 doesn't have serial input!

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fish_:

GreyFoxx: it gets recorded to the hdd and streamed to the udp multicast group?

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JohnQ:

grr. then whoever is in charge of the debian packages is a bonehead.

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GreyFoxx:

no, the myth protocol doesn't use multicast. It's unicast

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fish_:

udp 0 0 239.255.255.250:1900 0.0.0.0:* 8276/mythbackend

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GreyFoxx:

frontend connects to backend and requests file xxx, backend starts sending it

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fish_:

and whats that?

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fish_:

GreyFoxx: and thats a self brewed protocol?

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GreyFoxx:

fish_: That would be the basic upnp support that was added for various media players to access the recordings

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GreyFoxx:

fish_: Correct

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fish_:

arr

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scopeuk:

fish_ avoid winmyth at all costs

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fryfrog:

brian_: Do you *control* your DCT700 with myth?

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fish_:

would be nicer if it just stream the raw video over udp.. than i could watch it with every decent video player (vlc, mplayer, xine etc)

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GreyFoxx:

fish_: The upnp support is still in it's infancy, but several hardware players out there appear to work with it

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fish_:

GreyFoxx: so the hardware players play the video?

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GreyFoxx:

fish_: Some of them do yes

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fish_:

so that can't be a self brewed protocol, right? ;)

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GreyFoxx:

the upnp stuff is a standard,the mythprotocol doesn't use the upnp stuff :)

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Juski:

one fine day, maybe everything will use upnp

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fish_:

GreyFoxx: but you could view tv over the upnp stuff?

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Juski:

it's just for recordings & musak I think

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fish_:

i want to view tv on my nokia 770 (a linux based pda) i have mplayer on it but im pretty sure porting mythtfrontend to it would be a "little" bit work ;)

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GreyFoxx:

fish_: If you had a upnp capable device that worked with it you could watch recordings and such

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fish_:

so it would be nice if i had a small upnp "daemon" which would start mplayer...

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Juski:

fish_: just write a client.. you'd not even need to use the myth protocol

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brian_:

fryfrog – i just started using the dct700 with myth. i can view via the rca, but i'm having irblaster issues.

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fish_:

well, i'm not pretty good in writing anything else than a shell or perl script ;)

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Juski:

since using nfs is more efficient than the myth protocol anyway...

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brian_:

i can change channels via commandline, but it doesn't even try from within mythfrontend

[14:22:40]

fish_:

Juski: well.. thats an idea...

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Juski:

brian_: you DID set the external channel change command for the video source in mythtv-setup didn't you

[14:23:14]

brian_:

yes

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brian_:

been searching for someone with similar issues. not sure if there is a log i can watch to see if it's firing it off.

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Juski:

if you set logging to the right level you'll see it

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fish_:

Juski: how does that temporary file foo works? i starts writing one file up to xxx MB and than starts another and delete the old one?

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Juski:

fish_: it's no longer temporary. everything is treated like a recording. the only difference is when files get expired

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fish_:

oh.. but the file grows very fast i think ;)

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Juski:

if it's livetv and less than X seconds it gets expired almost immediately. if it's livetv & longer than that it gets expired later...

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fish_:

and what codec/muxer is used for that .nuv file?

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fish_:

"nuppelvideo"

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fish_:

ah

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fish_:

sounds funny ;>

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fish_:

but mplayer shows no video..

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Juski:

serves you right for using a software encoder :-P

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fish_:

arrr ;P

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Juski:

well... since I've done my proof of concept stuff, time to go back to gentoo & 0.19. not got enough time to fiddle & tweak now

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GreyFoxx:

fish_: it depends on what you configure. IT's mpeg4 or rtpeg for video

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fish_:

GreyFoxx: yeah... :/ damn ubuntu...

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JohnQ:

hmm.. apparently a commflag job died somehow... how do I make it start up again?

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fryfrog:

find the recording, use the right arrow key

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fryfrog:

or "m" or "e" i forget

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fryfrog:

and choose "start job" then comm flagging

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fryfrog:

i think

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JohnQ:

hey neat. never tried right arrow on a recording before.. good to know.

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fryfrog:

i had to do it the other day, and in fact a while go I was surprised to *find* a menu that pops up!

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fryfrog:

yeah :)

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JohnQ:

commflagging is a one-pass thing, right?

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Dagmar:

Which version of xvid are you guys using? 1.0 or 1.1.0?

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nandy__:

howdy

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JohnQ:

ever get your EPG working?

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nandy__:

so, im trying to get my remote (Happauge 150) going with my universal remote — i recorded all the IR signals from the hauppage remote to my universal but they do not work consistantly — is this a pro blem with the 150 ir reciever or lirc ?

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nandy__:

JohnQ: your idea was brilliant

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nandy__:

JohnQ: works wonderfully now

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JohnQ:

what setting was it?

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nandy__:

beats me

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JohnQ:

heh

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nandy__:

i just reset everything and it didnt fubar this time

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Dagmar:

nandy__: Probably more a problem of being foolish. It's a universal remote, right?

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nandy__:

Dagmar: it's a "Universal Remote"

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Dagmar:

Pick an RC5 protocol remote, tell the uni remote to do that protocol, and then tell LIRC you have a real one.

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nandy__:

its a URC-300

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nandy__:

you are right i guess i dont have to use the hauppage signals

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regicide666:

the pvr150 only likes the remote it came with as far as I know

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nandy__:

regicide666: oh yah?

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Dagmar:

Per example.... http://www.vulturesnest.net/mythtvremote.html

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regicide666:

oh it only likes a type of remote?

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Dagmar:

If it's not working consistently but it *is* working some, then it's rather likely it's just a sensitivity issue

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Dagmar:

I don't know much about the reciever built into the 150's tho

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nandy__:

how do i know if my remote does RC-5?

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JohnQ:

Im not using a reciever as part of a pvr, mines a serial port reciever... but Id say it is easier to get lirc to adapt to the remote than it is to get the remote to adapt.

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JohnQ:

RC-5 is a very basic protocol.. any universal remote can, as far as I know.

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Dagmar:

nandy__: Just read that URL. It applies to a URC6131 which is a "pvr remote" including thumbsup/thumbsdown buttons, but it's basically the same dealie

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nandy__:

doing so now

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Dagmar:

Very likely it'll even be the same code, 0081 to get it to use the Philips protocol

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nandy__:

thanks, you were less than worthless today, sir!

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nandy__:

err more than i guess

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JohnQ:

hahah

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nandy__:

which ever is less insulting

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JohnQ:

wow.. what an endorsement.

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nandy__:

;)

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Dagmar:

RC5 is a little slow, but it's very surefire

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nandy__:

JohnQ: dude i got so boned last night — naughty school girl night at the goth club

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nandy__:

yum

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JohnQ:

wow... sounds like a great holiday -;)

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Dagmar:

IR signaling was a hobby of mine from about a decade ago when I found out the airport had a sign outside of luggage claim that did IP over IR to control a PC Anywhere box

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dopez:

is there a way to make mythfrontend's GUI a little smaller than the screen? i'm missing a letters on the sides when there is text displayed on the left or right corner (i already tried changing the resolutions for tv-out, so far 800x600 seems to have the least missing text)

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JohnQ:

dopez.. are you using the debian packages?

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dopez:

self compiled

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JohnQ:

on debian?

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dopez:

suse 10.1

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JohnQ:

Darn

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Dagmar:

dopez: What video card?

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dopez:

via unichrome, epia board

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** Dagmar backs away. **

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JohnQ:

I had a similar problem with mine.. but it went away when I installed the MS fonts (msttcorefonts package)

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dopez:

hm, could try installing those but i think i should just try and scale mythfrontend's window to a little below the 800x600 or something

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Dagmar:

Normally that would be an overscan adjustment for the video card, but I've no idea what that EPIA thing does

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Dagmar:

Time for custom modelines maybe

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dopez:

hm, might look into that also indeed

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JohnQ:

dopez: it automatically scales to fit whatever resolution you have. It turns out that the replacement font it uses if you dont have the MS fonts installed is taller than the real one.

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dopez:

i'll try installing them

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Dagmar:

I much prefer the Bitstream Vera fonts

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Dagmar:

Especially since I'm about tired of seeing Arial everywher.

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Dagmar:

It's not even that good of a font.

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scopeuk:

arial is nasty

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scopeuk:

my personal favorite is prbably garmond not a big fan of block fonts

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Dagmar:

Mac user!

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Dagmar:

;)

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JohnQ:

... How can anyone hate a font? Isnt that like hating canadians and bread?

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Dagmar:

JohnQ: How can people hate floor sweeper mustaches and goosestepping?

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Dagmar:

Oh wait, Hitler (and Microsoft) screwed those over forever.

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scopeuk:

a font is somethign you have to read through it can be uncomfortable readignthe wrong font

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scopeuk:

and Dagmar im nto a mac user

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JohnQ:

jeez.. that was rational.

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Dagmar:

Hey, I like Garamond, too, but serifed fonts don't do so well on a low res TV screen

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Dagmar:

JohnQ: Me, I prefer to not ship anything that has Microsoft's name in it.

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Dagmar:

...and Arial's presence means that somewhere in it, Microsoft has copyright on it.

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JohnQ:

you strike me as somone with a lot of strong arbitrary opinions.

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Dagmar:

You strike me as someone who hasn't wrestled with font kerning at small font sizes.

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Dagmar:

Arial has pretty questionable hinting going on in it, to boot.

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Dagmar:

These opinions aren't entirely arbitrary. MANY of them come from spending hours and hours dealing with some obscure thing that was bugging the hell out of me.

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JohnQ:

Uh huh..

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scopeuk:

my opinont of arial was formed from spending 4 years sat at a school it lab computer that used arialas deafult for every thing it spawns hatread

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Dagmar:

I'm also the guy who had to go through rewriting the package for Dropline that makes sure those uses can *legally* install those fonts

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Dagmar:

I'm very, very familiar with those fonts.

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JohnQ:

Uh huh..

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Dagmar:

...and at least I have the balls to call someone a liar to their face.

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JohnQ:

what the heck are you talking about now?

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Dagmar:

Nothing i'm going to waste any more time on, that's for sure.

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scopeuk:

JohnQ take it as a compliment and think no more of it

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JohnQ:

Sounds like a great idea to me.

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Dagmar:

Have you ever done anything other than just look for exploits in games?

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Dagmar:

You're acting like I just made this crap up about Arial and the kerning issues

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JohnQ:

Actually... Im'm acting like I dont care about your hatred for fonts... or your hatred for SOE games... or your hatred for me, apparently.

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Dagmar:

It's the passive-agressive bullshit I don't care for.

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Adam:

does mythtv.org work today?

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JohnQ:

Still down.

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Dagmar:

Adam: Let's spin a wheel and find out. :/

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Adam:

Im on a really crappy connection

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JohnQ:

its not your connection... its down.

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Adam:

cheers

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Adam:

They have a crappy setup here 20 adsl lines load ballanced but they just dont have it working correctley.

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scopeuk:

load balancing is a pita

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Adam:

yup I agree

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JohnQ:

Ya.. they packet shape all the connections here.. drives me nuts.

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scopeuk:

heh here they restrict irc ports outbound and im throtled to 60k a sec downstream

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scopeuk:

that drives me nuts

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scopeuk:

even my 1meg at home is much quicker

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JohnQ:

ouch

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scopeuk:

there is one guy has it worse hes came over from sweeden and droped from 24/1 meg to 512/256 k

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scopeuk:

its painfull

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scopeuk:

althoguh across campus we can get 8.2meg

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scopeuk:

which is pretty sweet

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scopeuk:

limited becouse they use 10meg hubs for the network

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scopeuk:

which is nasty

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JohnQ:

yep.. similar deal here. In order to get decent speeds, I need to set up a sox5 proxy through an ssh tunnel to a machine in the CS department, which isnt shaped. Its crazy

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scopeuk:

whoudlent mind if i could do that

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scopeuk:

were workign on a few ideas

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scopeuk:

efectively there are me and the swedish guy who dontrearly go in for the whole drinking till you kill yourself thing every one else seams to so weve spent a few evenigns "playing"

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Adam:

Im in halls here and well we get 100 meg switches in place but we get like 2k a second even tho we should be getting alot more but they have the ballancing wrong

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scopeuk:

im in a uni owned flat

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scopeuk:

so its on the network

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scopeuk:

you tried between two internal nodes

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scopeuk:

http isent bad orftp

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scopeuk:

or if your feelign "geek" have a look at "udp cast"

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Adam:

Yes pings to the internal dns / dhcp / proxy here are between 100ms and 200ms

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scopeuk:

jesus pings to gateway here are more liek 1 – 5

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scopeuk:

just gone sub 1s

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Adam:

Its a bad day today there about 180ms

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Adam:

generally not less than 100ms

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Adam:

and they refuse to admit there is a problem with slow internet speeds

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scopeuk:

thew annoyign thing is we conect thorugh janet but even servers that are inside janet eg not requiring peering are limited

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scopeuk:

i see no good reason for that

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Adam:

janet so your in the UK.

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scopeuk:

like forinstance i should be able to pul files ofthe kent mirror on source forge at phonominal speeds

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scopeuk:

yeh im uk

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Adam:

yes because kent mirror is part of the janet backbone

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scopeuk:

but even that is speed capped at 30k

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scopeuk:

60k*

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Adam:

im trying to get my mythtv box to pickup trestrial UK channles like 1,2,3,4,5 but its just not having it.

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Adam:

I dont have a DVB card in the system

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JohnQ:

argh. my audio sync keeps drifting. Its a lot more distracting than you'd think.

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scopeuk:

Adam tv reception in the uk can be a b"!£%

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JohnQ:

hehe Imnot even sure how to type that symbol.. must have a UK keyboard map.. hehe

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scopeuk:

i ahve a uk keyboard becouse i live in the uk lol

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JohnQ:

hehe yep.. caught that :)

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scopeuk:

you have no idea how confusing it is tryign to type on a uk keyboard when software decides its us layout

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JohnQ:

I'd bet

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scopeuk:

epecialy when your using cli

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scopeuk:

finding >/ and & is awkward

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scopeuk:

and | of course

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JohnQ:

Im glad I never had to deal with that

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scopeuk:

use to ahve a live cd a while back that defaulted to german

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scopeuk:

many lives were lost ;-)

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JohnQ:

lol

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scopeuk:

un futunately whilst i can install xp with my eyes closed i tend to cock up whilst installing liux distros

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scopeuk:

its scary one of the guys in my flat is polish and has his laptop in polish yet i can stil reconfigure the damn thing ithout any translation or chaning the language

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** Adam bangs head on desk while trying to find tv channles **

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JohnQ:

hehe I had to install video drivers on a machine in chineese at one point... I was amazed how much you could get through just by remembereing what it should say where.

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scopeuk:

yeh

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scopeuk:

its great isent it

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Juski:

Adam: to find out which freqs the channels are on... you need a site i know of :)

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Adam:

tv reception here is pritty good because they fitted a DA system

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Adam:

Juski would you please share?

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Juski:

yeah when I remember where the hell it is

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scopeuk:

yeh we have one in our flat but it only goes to the damn kitchen nto each bedroom

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Adam:

Ah here its in each room. Most of my flat mates did not even spot the airle points.

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Adam:

Cheers Juski

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scopeuk:

Adam yeh it seams were unique in this

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Juski:

http://www.wolfbane.com/cgi-bin/tva.exe?

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Juski:

though you should be able to use tvtime

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Juski:

this is why I started making wizard scripts to configure this stuff

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Juski:

ugh! some bint band has sampled Depeche Mode

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Juski:

pussycat sluts or summat

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scopeuk:

lol

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JohnQ:

sounds aweful

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Juski:

oh no... Jamelia

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Juski:

mrs Juski's listening to the 'chart'

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scopeuk:

no wonder my flat mates get a good signals off the crap tehre using as arials were only 18 m off emley moor

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scopeuk:

is juski using noise canceling headphones to reduce the truma

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scopeuk:

?

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scopeuk:

18 miles*

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Juski:

was gonna say scopeuk.. 18 metres & you wouldn't be sitting here talking to us

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scopeuk:

knew we were close but i had it down as more like 25 miles

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scopeuk:

ive been 18m off emley moor

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scopeuk:

wanna go up to observation deck the view whould be fantastic

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Juski:

doubt you can do that when they're at full power

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scopeuk:

yeh considering its an 850Mw transmitter

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scopeuk:

then 10Mw digi ontop

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scopeuk:

and various random freuqency bosters

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Juski:

hmm... ""Click" focuses on a workaholic architect who finds a universal remote that allows him to get LIRC working without any hassle".. I think I just made that up

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JohnQ:

ive never had to cope with frequencies...

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JohnQ:

Must be a non-us thing :)

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Juski:

yeh you guys are spoiled by datadirect wossname

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JohnQ:

yep.. Guess so..

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Juski:

we'll have the last laugh when they get pissed off with you though :-P

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JohnQ:

"they"

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JohnQ:

?

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Juski:

zap2it/datadirect

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JohnQ:

they seem happy with us so far...

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scopeuk:

then there site gets ddossed after a major myth overhaul sometiem next year when all clients try to grab data within a cupple of hours

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Juski:

well it's gonna be my goal eventually to make mythtv as easy to configure for everybody w.r.t frequencies & channel setups

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Juski:

after the linuxworld expo, and after I've got 0.20 working

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AdamDH:

juski thanks for the URL

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Juski:

AdamDH: sorted now?

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Dagmar:

Juski: Get a riding crop and start beating it on the nearest podium. You'll need the practice.

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Juski:

eh?

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Dagmar:

Juski: One of the things Dropline has taught me is how many people will INSIST on forcing an install on stuff that is completely unsupported for good reason, and then coming to you about it for support when it fails.

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AdamDH:

just trying to sort out the strogae drive for myth I edited the fstab wrong so it was not mounded at boot so mythbackend failed to start.

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AdamDH:

*stroage

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Juski:

Dagmar: ahh no this'll be optional

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Dagmar:

hehh

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Juski:

and with a massive YMMV attached to it

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Dagmar:

Won't matter.

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Juski:

by the time I finish it, it's likely that analogue will be dead in the UK anyway

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Dagmar:

They'll lie to you about what they did or what they did it on

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LoneShadow:

is mythtv.org down ?

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scopeuk:

Juski make the installer force em through the read me 1 line at a time and add a cli switch to skip said readme

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scopeuk:

LoneShadow yes at alast check

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LoneShadow:

hiya scopeuk

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Juski:

Dagmar: I already know that from my experiences releasing themes

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Dagmar:

Like almost 200 lines of the Dropline installer is JUST looking for reasons to refuse to install and exit and each and every one was there because of people who wasted an hour or more of my time

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LoneShadow:

did you get your msntv yet ?

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Dagmar:

heh

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Juski:

for "your theme elements don't line up properly" read "the DPI setting of my X server isn't 100"

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scopeuk:

LoneShadow no gave up on it when i thought about how little id have use for one whilst im at uni where i ahve no tv

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LoneShadow:

heh

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Juski:

scopeuk: too busy studying, I mean drinking, smoking weed & shagging

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LoneShadow:

comes with the territory

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AdamDH:

Ok so I got the frequencys so where do I add them in the mythsetup programme?

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Juski:

in the channel editor of course

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Juski:

in the freqid field for each channel

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Juski:

lucky there are only 5

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scopeuk:

Juski 2 out of 4 aint bad

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Juski:

heh

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scopeuk:

tbh ive speant more time "hackicng" than i have drinking

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scopeuk:

someone restricted my net connection badly

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LoneShadow:

I was planning on upgrading to .20a today, any idea how long the server will be down ?

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scopeuk:

something at "unaceptable"

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scopeuk:

LoneShadow untill about 1/2 hour after you decide to do something else

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Juski:

scopeuk: ahhh the joys of being in halls of res eh

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Dagmar:

scopeuk++

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scopeuk:

Juski im not even in halls im in self catered flats jsut run the damn net trogu the campus network

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scopeuk:

which is shit

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Juski:

self-catered flats sounds like halls

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scopeuk:

Dagmar i know im a sarcastic ba£$"%

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Juski:

don't go doing what we did at Uni mind.. we made a pirate TV station

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scopeuk:

Juski yeh but you ahve to feed yourself or starve to death intead of jsut turning up on time

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JohnQ:

theres that symbol again.

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scopeuk:

JohnQ i jsut hold shift and run along my num line

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scopeuk:

its over 3 on a british keyboard

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JohnQ:

heh

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JohnQ:

Im just playing.

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Juski:

been lurking around waiting for xris.. a first for me

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** scopeuk knocks on xris's door to see if hes around **

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Juski:

might aswell do something useful since my gentoo backend is back online... back up some more files I might need come 0.20

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Juski:

like get the list of allowed IP addresses from my .htaccess file

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AdamDH:

I am a first year in halls pritty good so far spent more type drinking than hacking :P

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scopeuk:

cp /. /mnt/remotestore

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Juski:

or I'll not be able to log into mythweb from work

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scopeuk:

AdamDH im not much of a drinker

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scopeuk:

should have never became a normal student i spose

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AdamDH:

Well the drink found me!

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scopeuk:

could probably do the course in 1/2 the time with my social habbits or lack ther eof

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scopeuk:

i have 2 creats of beer in ym wardobe and some in the fridge

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scopeuk:

but ive beendrinking more tea thna anyhting

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scopeuk:

around 100 cups of the stuff in the last week and a 1/2

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scopeuk:

well mugs

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Juski:

jesus man

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Juski:

did freshers week teach you nothing?!

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scopeuk:

yeh taought bme my flat mates have no sense of moderation

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Juski:

how dare you be at Uni not wasting taxpayer's money!

[16:38:24]

scopeuk:

tx payers bah

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scopeuk:

have to pay the damn lo t back after now

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Juski:

oh yeah. ooops

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Juski:

blame my lot then

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scopeuk:

yeh 6 grand a year before i even mve in

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Juski:

wha?!

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scopeuk:

3 for course 3 for accomodation

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Juski:

sheeeeet!

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scopeuk:

i know

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Juski:

in 1991 my halls cost me Â£1200 a year I think, which my grant more than covered

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scopeuk:

i wish we were stil lon grants

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Juski:

only trouble was I had a roommate who was pretty hellish. I'm sure it felt mutual though

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scopeuk:

my flat costs me £2900 a year

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scopeuk:

havent upset anyone yet afaik

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scopeuk:

aparet fromtwo girls who i dont remeber upsetting who drove past yelling dick head

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scopeuk:

then wond up the windows when they had to stop at the trafic lights (6)

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Juski:

down the hall there was an ardent michael jackson fan.. v. scary dude

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scopeuk:

lol

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AdamDH:

xmltv does not seem to be able to get any channle information

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scopeuk:

roc soc are the ones peopel are scared of

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Juski:

AdamDH: you've not configured the grabber, then

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scopeuk:

furtunately some of us quite like rockand metal

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Juski:

and there's no UK guide for analogue users

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Juski:

howto guide I mean

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scopeuk:

xmltv lieks telling you t ogo fsck yourself

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Juski:

you should get Freeview

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scopeuk:

can remember my misadventures with it

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AdamDH:

grabber?

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scopeuk:

have to say though if uni has been anythign sofar its random im at sheffield a mate from hoe picked me up and we whent to see a friend at lincoln then back to mine and crashed

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scopeuk:

tv_grab_uk_rt

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AdamDH:

I should get freeview!

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scopeuk:

www.pcnextday.co.uk have cheapish freeview recivers

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scopeuk:

teh twinham one is suported

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Juski:

AdamDH: you know the bit in mythtv-setup where a progress bar seems to hang at 50% ?

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scopeuk:

you have to alt tab to console and finish the job

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** scopeuk considers askign a question then figures its probably to controversial in here **

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engie:

Hi. Is the website down for anyone else>

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engie:

?

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Juski:

be a man & just ask

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Juski:

engie: yes

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Juski:

been down all day AFAICT

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scopeuk:

ok are any cam modules suported under linux/myth

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scopeuk:

eg for topup tv

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** Juski shoots scopeuk dead **

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scopeuk:

i did say

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Juski:

scopeuk: erm.. .if you can get the right hardware CAM & a PCI card that supports it in Linux, then yeah

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AdamDH:

I did that bit

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AdamDH:

ah its worked

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scopeuk:

hmm i think i know where i can

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scopeuk:

but it whould be more cash

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scopeuk:

so i'll do what i always do andsit in the corner listening to loud rock and metal music

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Juski:

as for hacking it there's no fucking point anybody spending that much time on it – which is why it's not happenned I presume

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scopeuk:

yeh

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Juski:

Â£7.99 a month for what.. UK Gold? pfft

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scopeuk:

yeh

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scopeuk:

jsut a random question that oped in my head

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Dagmar:

heh

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AdamDH:

i got to go out for a while nice chatting

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scopeuk:

l8rs

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Juski:

I might go hoover my car interior

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Juski:

aye... good plan

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scopeuk:

im going for jelly babies tea and chocolate i think :-)

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Juski:

bah. rain stops outdoor vacuuming

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disant:

hello

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Ibeam:

hi disant

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disant:

anyone has problems retreiving channels from zap2it lately?

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disant:

HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 500 Internal Server Error 13:10:29 ERROR 500: Internal Server Error.

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JohnQ:

ny most recent update seems to have worked correctly

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JohnQ:

that was about 2 hours ago.

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disant:

ugh.. ok thnx

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metalac:

anyone here running 1080i without XvMC? what's your hardware like?

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scopeuk:

why whould you want to build a 1080i system without xvmc?

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Juski:

you need approx > 3Ghz AFAIK

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metalac:

well first of all I can't get xvmc to work right, I get audio/video stutter I tried all the things in howto to fix it

[17:21:40]

metalac:

then you loose the pretty OSD :)

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metalac:

then there is no PIP

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Juski:

I should've read holymoly.co.uk yesterday when I really needed cheering up

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Juski:

aww no PiP.. lol

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metalac:

hey i like PIP ;)

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Juski:

I don't even use livetv

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Juski:

I tell a lie.. I used it, and PiP today to check my tuners all worked

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scopeuk:

which reminds me

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scopeuk:

think i may purchase myself a tuner tomoz

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scopeuk:

nice dvb one

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scopeuk:

moving into the 21's century at alst

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Juski:

I've been 22nd century this weekend.. hardly watched any TV at all

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Juski:

priceless. "If I hear "oh yes" in that annoying it could be Vic Reeves but I am not sure voice one more time, I am going to head butt my television then eat all the broken glass that falls out. Over exposing advertising c****".

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scopeuk:

i havent watched any tv in 3 weeks

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scopeuk:

have however watched alot of futurama simpsons and some what random vides

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disant:

ah.. suckers at zap2it changed something I guess.. had to go to the accnt and add my cable provider lineup.. dint have to do it earlier

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Juski:

scopeuk: http://www.holymoly.co.uk/index.php?option=co . . . 4&page=7 ... see the section about E4 :)

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scopeuk:

lol

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Juski:

and finally (for today).. the bottom of the page.. http://www.holymoly.co.uk/index.php?option=co . . . 4&page=9

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scopeuk:

lol

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Juski:

I knew it! Magners IS Bulmers !! I fscking KNEW it

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Juski:

no points for guessing it's been a slow day today

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firefly2442:

Is the main mythtv.org site down?

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scopeuk:

yes

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scopeuk:

somone wanan put that in the topic?

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kormoc:

that bad eh?

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AdamDH:

well all my channles are there but there just static like it has not tunned correctley, when I go to watch tv.

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Juski:

like anybody will read it

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AdamDH:

I just read it

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Juski:

apart from me.. I read it

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firefly2442:

argh, wanted to get the documentation :(

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AdamDH:

same here and the sute is down

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Juski:

AdamDH: what kind of tuner have you got? pvr or some bttv thingy?

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AdamDH:

PVR500

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Juski:

AdamDH: you might have the wrong tuner type selected in ivtv options, possibly

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Juski:

modprobe options I mean

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AdamDH:

modprobe shows the device is working and I get /dev/video0 and video1

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Juski:

you need to stop mythbackend, tune the card to a channel you know works with ivtvtune.pl and use mplayer to make sure you _can_ indeed tune the card into stuff

[17:52:27]

Juski:

it's all about verifying the card works in linux before going into mythtv :)

[17:52:57]

Juski:

sadly though like I said earlier there don't seem to be any UK analogue howto guides

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Juski:

I only really know about getting a pvr card to work with external inputs, and freeview stuff

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AdamDH:

yup I just did not want to go and buy a freeview card

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firefly2442:

AdamDH: did you try using TvTime? that seems to work automatically without setup like MythTV

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AdamDH:

how do I stop the backend?

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Juski:

firefly2442: tvtime no worky with pvr cards last time I looked

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firefly2442:

Juski: really? didn't know that...

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AdamDH:

is there any other tv prog I can use to check my card works?

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Juski:

AdamDH: depends on what distro you run. usually an init script like /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend stop

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Juski:

ooo AdamDH looky looky: http://forum.byopvr.com/dvr/index.php/topic,3004.0.html

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Juski:

but I think ptune-ui might be deprecated now I'm not sure

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Juski:

or there's now ivtvtune... http://ivtvdriver.org/index.php/Ivtv-tune

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AdamDH:

I will have a play

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Juski:

the fact you even get snow means the hardware is mostly working at least ;)

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firefly2442:

white always wins over black ;)

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firefly2442:

Anyone have a copy of the documentation from the mythtv website?

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scopeuk:

www.mythtv.org.nyud.net:8080 should work

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Juski:

scopeuk: not worky here man

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scopeuk:

yeh not here either damn thing

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scopeuk:

whats the point in coral cache if the damn thing dont work

[18:02:42]

Juski:

ooo I know.. I can tweak this a bit: http://www.mythtvtalk.com/ProjectGrayhem/images/newlogo.png

[18:03:18]

firefly2442:

me neither

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jcsmith:

howdy all, i'm in the process of installing myth .20 on ubuntu dapper and I when i start my mythbackend i see an error stating that: there is an error finding the starting channel and there is an error initializing inputs could not get inputs for the cpature card, perhaps you have frogotten to bind video sources to your cards inputs, i'm quiet sure the card is functioning as i am able to cat > /dev/video0 > test.mpg and watch th

[18:03:41]

jcsmith:

e mpg file it records any ideas on what i need to do to myth?

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firefly2442:

Juski: nice logo

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kormoc:

jcsmith, did you bind video sources to your cards imputs?

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scopeuk:

http://66.249.93.104/search?q=cache:mythtv.org

[18:05:19]

jcsmith:

kormoc, well thats the problem, i'm not quiet sure what that means, and i can't seem to get to any of the docs on the mythtv webstier right now

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kormoc:

jcsmith, it's in mythtv-setup

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jcsmith:

i ran mythtv-setup and thought i did everything right

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jcsmith:

infact i've hit it a few times

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fryfrog:

i guess the myth site is still down?

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** kormoc points at the topic **

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fryfrog:

ah :)

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scopeuk:

kormoc could maby do with being at the start where it is now its cut off in my client at least

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scopeuk:

s/maby/mabey

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fryfrog:

anyone have any suggestions on emulators to use with mythgame?

[18:07:42]

fryfrog:

for some reason even the google cache version of the wiki page isn't loading :/

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kormoc:

scopeuk, meh, it won't matter unless it's the only thing up there

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kormoc:

fryfrog, disable images?

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fryfrog:

ah

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jcsmith:

kormoc, thanks for the help, your gentle nudging pointed me in the right direction, i was setting up the capture card and the video source, just not pointing them at one another

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** jcsmith swears he gets dumber by the day **

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flindet:

anyone here have hdtv working with mythtv WITHOUT having to use an antenna?

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Dagmar:

flindet: I would like to think that's going to require an antenna because your case should be keeping that kind of noise both from leaking out or leaking in

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kormoc:

firewire?

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flindet:

Dagmar: I was hoping to hear from someone getting HDTV working over cable

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flindet:

Dagmar: For example with the pctv HD5500

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kormoc:

firewire :P

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Dagmar:

Ah... OKay. I thought you were talking about picking up OTA HD broadcasts

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flindet:

I'm trying to determine how good cable hdtv is working. I've been trying to research for days, and it doesn't look good

[18:15:59]

flindet:

I've been using Mythtv for normal television and love it. But I might go tivo for hdtv because it looks like hdtv is dodgy over cable now. I'm hoping I'm wrong

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flindet:

I'd prefer to stick with mythtv

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** kormoc notes that firewire works with hdtv capturing **

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flindet:

?

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flindet:

How does that work?

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flindet:

Do I have to get lucky and get a box that has firewire and then rent three boxes — one for each of my capture cards?

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kormoc:

you hook up a firewire cable from your computer to the firewire port on a cablebox and capture direct digital scream

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kormoc:

you don't use a capture card anymore

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flindet:

omg

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flindet:

how many channels can you record at a time?

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kormoc:

one per box

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flindet:

hmmm... that's pretty compelling

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fryfrog:

flindet: I use 2x air2pc cards and only get 5–6 channels of HD over QAM cable

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fryfrog:

flindet: I had to sift through 300 detected channels to find those 5 "real" channels

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fryfrog:

flindet: I did at *one* time try the firewire from my HDDVR, but wasn't too happy

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fryfrog:

flindet: I have a pair of HD Tuners from comcast on the way, to replace my single dvr though

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fryfrog:

i'll either hook them up to a PVR500 (svideo) or with firewire

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flindet:

fryfrog: so you got 5 channels over cable? are you paying for hdtv? shouldn't be like 12 or so?

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flindet:

the pvr500 can handle hdtv?

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fryfrog:

flindet: you can get the 5–6 "free to air" HD channels w/o paying for anything but basic

[18:19:41]

flindet:

air meaning over antenna?

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flindet:

or over cable?

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fryfrog:

I *believe* there is a law that requires them to carry the OTA channels on cable for free, unencrpyted

[18:20:17]

scopeuk:

yeh you and your lawyer army can go sort em

[18:20:23]

fryfrog:

I mean, the "ota" channels (NBC, ABC, CBS, etc) that re in your area from air *free* broadcasts

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flindet:

do they encrypt the hdtv channels over cable?

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fryfrog:

cable companys broadcast them over *cable* but unencrypted

[18:20:36]

fryfrog:

yes

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fryfrog:

but again, that is only like 3 more

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flindet:

interesting

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fryfrog:

in my ahread, TNTHD, DiscoverHD and ESPNHD

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fryfrog:

area i mean

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fryfrog:

the only decent one is TNTHD, cause discovery HD sucks balls

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fryfrog:

and i could care less about sports

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flindet:

how was the quality? And were you able to get surround sound working?

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mchou:

discovery HD sucks balls??

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flindet:

what's wrong with discovery HD? is it that you don't like the channel? Or they actually had poor resolution?

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fryfrog:

flindet: The *visual* quality is fantastic. I do not have a surround sound system, but it *should* be recording surround sound

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mchou:

I think discovery HD is not bad. Just too many repeats :)

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fryfrog:

mchou, flindet: they have hardly any shows on it

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flindet:

through myth it was fantastic over the cable?

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fryfrog:

discovery hd is like 80% "sunrise earth"

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fryfrog:

and they have like what, 2 shows in HD?

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fryfrog:

monster garage and... that biker building show?

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flindet:

yawn

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mchou:

fryfrog: no, they have way more than that

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fryfrog:

flindet: the quality of the 5 HD channels I get is *better* using myth than it is using my comcast DVR

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flindet:

wow

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flindet:

and you're using air2pc?

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fryfrog:

yeah, air2pc cards

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flindet:

without an antenna

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fryfrog:

but visually manually checking 300 channels to *find* those 5 channels of HD sucked :(

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mchou:

lol

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fryfrog:

yeah, *if* I could put an antenna up easily I would

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fryfrog:

but my area in antenna web says I need one of those huge, directional mast antennas

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mchou:

that's why just get the firewire STB instead

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flindet:

sorry to be a dolt, but I'm still confused. So, are you getting your hdtv over the cable or over the air?

[18:24:19]

fryfrog:

yeah, i'll try these two hd tuners i'm getting with firewire

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kormoc:

fryfrog, you don't use a HD tuner with firewire...

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fryfrog:

flindet: I have *cable* only, no antenna, no satalite, just cable

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flindet:

very nice

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fryfrog:

kormoc: I mean, the HD tuner's i'm getting from comcast

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fryfrog:

HD STB

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kormoc:

ahh

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flindet:

mchou: so, what software do you need to grab the firewire signal?

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mchou:

flindet: linux :)

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fryfrog:

just myth and the firewire libraries for your distro

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fryfrog:

prolly taken care of auto-magically for most

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flindet:

nice. And can I fork firewire, or do I need a firewire port for each stb?

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scopeuk:

you can get hubs

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scopeuk:

much like usb

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mchou:

flindet: dasiy chain

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mchou:

hubs??

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scopeuk:

ive seen firewire hubs

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mchou:

wtf are you talking about?

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flindet:

man alive. Now, if I can just figure out surround sound, maybe I can stick with myth

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scopeuk:

sure ive see nfirewire hubs

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scopeuk:

maby im jsu a moron

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mchou:

there is no need for hubs

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scopeuk:

ill go look

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scopeuk:

need and existance dont always go hand in hand

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flindet:

will the built on nvidia 6100 handle hdtv okay?

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mchou:

flindet: dunno myself

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AdamDH:

any one here used ivtv-tune?

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scopeuk:

http://www.directusbstore.co.uk/cnb/shop/dire . . . ct_info-null for a bad example

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mchou:

flindet: I'd say no due to memoery bandwidth, but that's a swag

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AdamDH:

how do I set it via -t to the frequency map that is used in the UK?

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flindet:

anyopne have a soundcard they recommend for easy to configure and good quality surround? perferably it would be configure automagically because I'm lazy

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Dagmar:

AdamDH: I used it once

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kormoc:

flindet, sound blaster live 16 bit, if you can find one

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Dagmar:

flindet: I don't think that has xvideo/xvmc. If it's nv41 then probably not

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firefly2442:

I bet you need a beefy system for HD recording

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Dagmar:

They've dumped that in some of the newer cards, which is annoying

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Juski:

firefly2442: you need a lot more grunt for playback of HD than recording

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kormoc:

firefly2442, recording isn't that bad, it's just writing to the disk... playback on the other hand...

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flindet:

yeah, I don't mind a beefy system, but I wanted a SMALL and quiet system, which contradicts beefy. :-(

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firefly2442:

ahh I see

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fryfrog:

flindet: you probably want something with optical / digital out, right?

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scopeuk:

split frontend/backend

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fryfrog:

or do you just want to hook up speakers right to the myth box?

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mchou:

flindet: that's why you go AMD64 (CoolnQuiet)

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Juski:

bah analogue :(

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mchou:

flindet: of courseconroe has that now too

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flindet:

well, I just have some klipsch pc speakers hooked up to the myth now. I'd like to do something nicer. Planning to get some speakers in the ceiling in the new house. So, I'll probably buy a receiver or something

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scopeuk:

Juski sorry your majesty we commoners sometimes still use analog

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mchou:

but conroe is still mostly vaporware

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Dagmar:

With conroe you also have a little more space becuase there's a small pile of bills you no longer have

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Dagmar:

It's not a big pile, but it's a pile nonetheless. :/

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Juski:

scopeuk: I meant analogue audio

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flindet:

I'm not familiar with conroe

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scopeuk:

yes some of us sitl use analog audio

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scopeuk:

on my myth there is a cable bridging the tv card and soundcard line in

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Dagmar:

It's Intel's new stuff. Two words there which equate to $ and $$$ respectively.

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mchou:

flindet: conroe is the latest gen intel proc

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flindet:

oh, I see

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Dagmar:

Give it six months and the price difference will have dissolved

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flindet:

i have an amd 3200 xp now, and the heat is kicking my butt

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Dagmar:

Maybe 3 with the way things are going between Intel and AMD

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firefly2442:

and probably by then, AMD will have released something to beat it....

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mchou:

flindet: xp is no no for htpc

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Dagmar:

flindet: Stock cooler not working for you?

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kormoc:

Actually, current gen conroes will be cheaper in november, as quad core conroes will be out end of october.

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Dagmar:

kormoc: That's good news then

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Juski:

I bought a sempron 2800 system for my inlaws for less than Â£300 ($300) last week including 17" TFT monitor

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flindet:

Dagmar: I have a stealth fan on there. The CPU is hot, but doing okay. But I burn through video cards like nobody's business :-(

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firefly2442:

So do people think this whole multi-core CPU design will beat out Moore's law?

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mchou:

Juski: does sempy have CollnQuiet?

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mchou:

Cool*

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Dagmar:

flindet: Maybe a slot cooler is in order then to get more air to the video card

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Juski:

mchou: not 100% sure, but I think the 2800 does

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metalac:

so how multithreaded mythtv is anyways?

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flindet:

Dagmar: Yeah, but then my computer will sound like a hurricane

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metalac:

i have a sempron 2800+ how much improvement would i see if i went dual-core?

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scopeuk:

cool&quiet is a pita to get going on windows any way

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kormoc:

firefly2442, moore's law is just about the number of transistors, not about anything else

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Juski:

metalac: IIRC it's kind of multithreaded

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kormoc:

firefly2442, so of course it will

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mchou:

flindet: ditch the XP

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scopeuk:

need there driver and ther esoftware to get it workign properly

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flindet:

I hear ya

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mchou:

flindet: it aint suitabe for HTPC

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Dagmar:

firefly2442: Not by much, if at all. There's still the problem of getting the heat out of the core itself, which is why we're not seeing twenty-core CPUs yet

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metalac:

Juski: all i'm wondering about is HDTV

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Dagmar:

I really want to know what Intels doing to get this 80 core thing going on

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flindet:

my girlfriend has a low end 3200 64bit in hers. Would that be sufficient for HDTV?

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kormoc:

metalac, if you go to tomshardware.com and click under cpu's and then on cpu chart, you can compair the processors and see

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flindet:

I could just switch them

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Dagmar:

Maybe they're running water through the thing like a big metal sponge laden with cores. I runno

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firefly2442:

Dagmar: I'm still waiting for the complete paradigm shift in CPU design ;)

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Dagmar:

Or maybe the CPU is now one big-ass heatsink

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kormoc:

Dagmar, it's just 80 FPU's, not full cores

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Juski:

while we were clearing out at work the other week we found a batch of transputer boards

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ShockValue:

whew, thank goodness.. my system drive crapped out on my mythbackend.. but i got it up long enough to "dd" it to another drive

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kormoc:

Dagmar, it's for some very specific applications, not general computing

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Juski:

remember them? the 'next big thing'.. were gonna revolutionise computing.. hah

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metalac:

kormoc: yeah i was acctually looking over there i'm thinking of getting A64 3400+ since it's an $80 upgrade, but not sure if that can handle HDTV on its own

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kormoc:

it likely can, depending on the video card

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firefly2442:

later all

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metalac:

kormoc: well i'd like to stay away from XvMC

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Juski:

kormoc: I'd bloody well hope a 3400+ would be enough for HD playback whatever GPU you have

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flindet:

why stay away from XvMC?

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kormoc:

Juski, 1080i h264 is a bit much still... :P

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Dagmar:

kormoc: OKay, so it may well be a really really large CPU and cooling system combo then

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Juski:

kormoc: yeah h.264 is taxing dual 3GHz CPUs apparently

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flindet:

my tv will be a 1080p

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metalac:

flindet: cuz it's buggy and i loose pretty OSD and PIP

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kormoc:

Dagmar, didn't they say that they're gonna be really slow fpu cores?

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Dagmar:

264 is a bitch

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Juski:

metalac: chromakey OSD is a worker.. I've tried it

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Dagmar:

kormoc: Dunno about how well that would even fly. FPU operations are kinda important to most scientific tasks that require a lot of computing power

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metalac:

Juski: i have Sempron 2800+ and it can't do HD

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Juski:

but doesn't work on some newer nvidia cards apparently

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metalac:

Juski: chormakey?

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Juski:

metalac: if it was up I'd say to check the wiki wiki wahh

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metalac:

Juski: yeah i was going to but it's down :)

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scopeuk:

3200+ seams to handle hd fine

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Juski:

but yeah there's a hack you can do.. just a db setting (since 0.19) to enable colour OSD with XvMC

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scopeuk:

although this is on windows usign vlc (no gfx accel)

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Dagmar:

Juski: I'd like to say I know of a reliable low-cost wiki hoster, but thus far I've only seen "unreliable" and "untrustworthy"

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GreyFoxx:

metalac: I'm suprised. MytXP2500+ can play 1080i without any problem

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Juski:

mythtv.org needs mirroring methinks

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metalac:

GreyFoxx: with no XvMC?

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GreyFoxx:

metalac: Correct

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Dagmar:

We need an Eternity Service

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metalac:

GreyFoxx: hmmmm, well i'm recompiled everything with gcc 4.1 now and using some optimization flags, will see how that goes, how did you compile yours?

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Juski:

the above said though, the announcement that there was a new server & co-lo was probably like a red rag to a bull

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Juski:

hmmm... I have an idea

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GreyFoxx:

mythtv@woop:~/mythtv/mythtv$ tail -1 config.log

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GreyFoxx:

./configure --enable-xvmc --enable-opengl-vsync --enable-dvb --disable-dbox2 --arch=athlon-xp

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Juski:

!seen Coume

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MythLogBot:

Coume was last seen 28 days 6 hours 41 minutes 13 seconds ago

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GreyFoxx:

metalac: That's it

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simcop2387:

!seen feld

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MythLogBot:

feld was last seen 2 days 16 hours 26 minutes 2 seconds ago

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metalac:

GreyFoxx: that's pretty much what I had

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metalac:

GreyFoxx: how much cpu usage you see?

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flindet:

GreyFoxx: Are you doing your HDTV over firewire too?

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Juski:

28 days without visiting #mythtv-users.. how's poor Coume coping? ;)

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GreyFoxx:

my system is a slackware install using gcc 3.3.4, half gig of ram

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metalac:

GreyFoxx: i got gentoo with 768 and it used to be gcc3.4 now it's 4.1

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GreyFoxx:

flindet: Nope, no firewire, In fact I don't have a HDTV source at the moment, just 1080i sample recordings I've gotten from people here for testing

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metalac:

GreyFoxx: waiting for it to stop compiling so that I can see what's up

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metalac:

flindet: i have firewire

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flindet:

can myth do 1080p?

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metalac:

flindet: i don't see why not if you could find 1080p sources

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kormoc:

why couldn't it?

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flindet:

find 1080p sources? comcast won't send them?

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Juski:

plenty test sources out there

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kormoc:

does anyone do 1080p for comcost to send?

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metalac:

flindet: they do only 1080i as far as i know, at least that's what i get

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GreyFoxx:

metalac: myth has 2 threads, 1 using 53%, 1 using 15% and X is using 16%. So overall 80% of my CPU to play this one 1080i sample

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flindet:

weird. If I'm paying, they should send 1080p! hahah

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nero:

thats a good one flindet

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Juski:

I'll try that one with NTL next time I shout at them

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metalac:

GreyFoxx: well i get about 50–60% for myth and 30% for X

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** GreyFoxx runs out to pick up his daughter **

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Juski:

"seeing as I'm paying you money, you should give me dvb-c cards and a CAM so I can record channels I subscribe to in a manner I see fit"

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flindet:

why not?

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flindet:

we're paying for it!

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kormoc:

we're not paying enough to get that

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Juski:

the only choice we have is to pay for what we get, or not pay for it & not get it

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nero:

no, you're paying for HD content.. 1080i is what they define as HD content..

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kormoc:

I'm sure if you really wanted, you could pay for whatever you want... it just might cost a hell of a lot

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nero:

but feel free to call them and tell them what you think.. just dont expect it will change anything.. ;)

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flindet:

they're going to charge me to upgrade to digital, then charge me again to upgrade to HDTV, which will be about another $15 per month in all. I think I should have a 1080p option, but oh well

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ShockValue:

is mythtv.org down? i keep getting timeouts trying to browse it. (other sites are workin fine)

[18:46:39]

Juski:

capitalism sucks and owns at the same time

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flindet:

I think this stuff is way overpriced as it is

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nero:

flindet, then go with someone else.

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Juski:

HD is the rich kids' choice right now, make no mistake about it

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flindet:

haha... there is no one else :-(

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flindet:

i hear ya

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nero:

then the market bears their price, and you'll pay it.. yeah.. it sucks, but its the way it works..

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flindet:

I'll bear it, but I'll also complain

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Juski:

I could afford to subscribe to $ky HD in the UK, but not have enough spare cash to pay for a suitable display, or vice-versa

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** nero cant afford the content delivery OR the display.. :D **

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Juski:

and there's NO way I'm gonna put up with SDTV on a 42" TV until I could afford to subscribe to HD

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metalac:

yeah the only reason why i have it here is that standard cable comes in free with the building so $15/month is not bad for HD, especially in the time for World Cup ;)

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Juski:

the wha?

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nero:

metalac, thats a pretty good deal.. :)

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metalac:

yeah i have 42" and it makes huge difference, but not a whole lot of HD content and most is still in 4:3 that doesn't stretch over the screen

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Juski:

see over-paid poofs push each other round a field & feign injury in HD :-P

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flindet:

metalac: how does the non-hd look?

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flindet:

metalac: is it worse than on an old tv?

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metalac:

flindet: it's not bad, definitely better than my old TV

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AdamDH:

gah I think all my issues come down to the drivers

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Juski:

metalac: that's the other thing.. there's not much 16:9 content around on UK TV let alone HD

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flindet:

metalac: I've been looking at buying a 46" LCD, but whenever they play a non-hdtv signal, it looks absolutely horrible.

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AdamDH:

I need a break from it will play again later

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flindet:

in the stores anyway. And I'm wondering did they just do something stupid, or will regular tv just be awful

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metalac:

flindet: mine looks fine, people comve over and say picture is great, we're having a bbq and football party today and that's all HD ;)

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flindet:

very nice!

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flindet:

and you'

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flindet:

and you'll use your myth for the bbq?

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metalac:

flindet: i didn't have to do a lot of thinkering with settings

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flindet:

metalac: is your's an lcd?

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metalac:

flindet: well i would if HD worked fine :), i'm just gona use comcast box

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metalac:

yeah it's a westinghouse lcd

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flindet:

right on

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metalac:

yeah i mounted it on the wall and all

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metalac:

looks very cool

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flindet:

I'm thinking of samsung. Any nightmare stories I should know about? I'm looking at the LNS4696D

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metalac:

i guess that's payback for all those poor years of college :)

[18:52:21]

** nero begins to cry as he looks at his ancient Sony 36" tube that barely works.. **

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flindet:

sweet. My television now is a hand-me-down which is on its last leg

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flindet:

nero: Hey, I have a 25" now that shuts itself off all the time! hahah

[18:52:59]

Juski:

flindet google ANY plasma or HD model & you'll find a wealth of praise & brickbats in equal (and copious) amounts

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metalac:

nero: should look at my gfs 55" behemooth that has gosthing and rainbows all over :), sad part it's only 4 years old

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flindet:

omg. See, that's what I'm scared of. I don't want the damn tv to fall apart in a year or two

[18:53:31]

Juski:

a guy I work with found a thread about the TV he'd just bought.. 37 pages long

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flindet:

do you guys think it's pure insanity to buy the tv from the internet? If I buy from an amazon third party with good ratings, I save $400, but I figure those ratings could be faked, and I'm scared of damage

[18:54:25]

flindet:

but $400 is very compelling

[18:54:40]

Juski:

YMMV ;)

[18:54:45]

flindet:

:-O

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nero:

flindet, just make it fall off the back of a truck (softly).. then ya dont have to worry about it at all! ;)

[18:55:21]

flindet:

eh? a warranty exchange?

[18:55:28]

Juski:

if in doubt, buy it from a stealer (dealer).. then you'll have a very solid and REAL human being to shout at if it goes wrong.. something very comforting in knowing that

[18:55:51]

Juski:

some dealers will price match to internet sites too

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flindet:

yeah, I'll probably do that. My local fry's has a good deal, but their still $400 more than the internet

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kormoc:

flindet, no, he means walk up to a trunk, have the tv fall out (softly) in front of you, exclaim, wow, a free tv! and take it home

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metalac:

flindet: my parents bought a ViewSonic over the net, no problems yet and it's been almost a year

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nero:

flindet, was just joking.. "fall off the back of a truck", living in NJ, is what some of the, organized crime types do when they want pricy merchandise.. ;)

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kormoc:

flindet, amazon's 3ed party policy is rather nice, you should read about what they'll do in case of problems

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flindet:

ah, nice. That explains why so many of these internet sites are in NJ! hahah

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nero:

flindet, hehehe.. probably.. though Brooklyn is even worse..

[18:57:03]

flindet:

yeah, I read it. But still, there's no easy number to find for Amazon, and it's easy for them to write, but will they actually do it? It's not like I can take on the giant

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Juski:

in the UK I recommend folks visit House Of Fraser shops after trying the monkey-populated sheds.. bought my last TV with a free 5 year parts/labour/free loan unit warranty for less than the chainstore prices

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kormoc:

Sure, it's in writing. If they *don't* do it, you can sue and win no problem

[18:57:45]

nero:

flindet, I would pick something in the middle- find one of the reputable online retailers, that will split the difference in cost..

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flindet:

big name retailers are more expensive even on the net

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Juski:

and HoF know their onions too.. and they delivery for free when they say they're going to. and no I don't work for em

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nero:

flindet, even some of the internet only stores?

[18:58:35]

flindet:

The thing is like $3800 at most big retailers, but fry's has it for $3399, and amazion has it for like $3199 or something

[18:58:51]

metalac:

flindet: i acctually found a better theal in Best Buy store then online, online they were giving out a free chair, but it was $200 more, and i don't need no stinking chair :)

[18:58:51]

Juski:

8-| how much?!

[18:58:53]

flindet:

I don't know why internet only stores are reputable

[18:59:01]

flindet:

lots of complaints on the net and the BBB

[18:59:11]

Juski:

that TV must have massive cojones

[18:59:31]

flindet:

yeah, went to best buy. they want like $500 more than the fry's just a mile away

[18:59:32]

nero:

flindet, I meant, find a reputable one.. ask around.. find an internet only retailler that people you know have used...

[18:59:47]

flindet:

all my friends boycott tv or have tiny 19"

[18:59:48]

flindet:

hahah

[19:00:02]

Juski:

problem I've had with online-only retailers is their delivery service

[19:00:11]

flindet:

what happens during delivery?

[19:00:24]

nero:

flindet, look at B&H.. they sell TVs, and are very reputable, and are typically priced somewhere between local retailers, and the "too good to be true" internet price.

[19:00:30]

kormoc:

you get a huge box blocking your door, so you can't get in or out till you move it

[19:00:40]

Juski:

if you're not in when they try to deliver it (HELLO! how the fuck do you think I paid for this?) you have to go to the depot, give blood samples, come back tomorrow, more blood/DNA...

[19:00:40]

flindet:

nice

[19:00:41]

flindet:

haha

[19:00:48]

kormoc:

and it'll be 2 inches bigger then the door, so you'll need to take a hacksaw...

[19:00:56]

flindet:

omg

[19:01:36]

Juski:

the dichotomy of online shopping, you work to earn money to buy things, then you're not in when they try to deliver em

[19:01:56]

kormoc:

get it delivered at work and find out it's too big for your car!

[19:02:25]

metalac:

kormoc: tell me about it i got stuck in my bedroom trying to move in a treadmill, i thought I'd be stuck in there forever :)

[19:02:32]

nero:

Juski, just leave a note to the delivery company, telling them to leave it on the front step.. then tell me when you are getting it delivered.. ;)

[19:02:37]

flindet:

nero: Sadly, B&H has an absolutely horrible price on this particular tv. Thanks for the tip, though

[19:03:12]

nero:

flindet, sorry.. :( Usually they are pretty good..

[19:03:25]

flindet:

no, no problem. I definitely appreciate the advice!

[19:03:25]

mchou:

B&H?

[19:03:27]

nero:

(at least with all the photo equipment I have bought through them)

[19:03:35]

nero:

mchou, B&H Photo/Video

[19:03:49]

metalac:

hey where is test-mpeg2 located, i just recompiled myth and now i can't find it

[19:03:51]

mchou:

they are mostly known for photos

[19:04:02]

Juski:

when I got my HT amp delivered, they took it back to the depot, so I rang the number on the card they left.. daft cow on the phone suggested I ask them to leave it outside. yeah. In manchester where it rains a lot.. where there's quite a lot of theiving going on...

[19:04:09]

nero:

mchou, yup.. but in the last few years, they have started carrying HD monitors, etc..

[19:04:29]

nero:

and from what I saw, last time I checked (which, I'll admit was months ago) their prices were pretty good.

[19:04:44]

mchou:

bah.

[19:04:55]

mchou:

you wanna peace ofind, buy at costco

[19:04:57]

flindet:

metalac: may I ask roughly where you're located? I'm wondering if there's any chance my comcast would have the firewire box. I'm on the west coast in Sacto, CA

[19:05:01]

mchou:

of mind*

[19:05:15]

mchou:

warranties at costco cant be beat

[19:05:30]

mchou:

prices arent to shabby either

[19:05:35]

flindet:

costco does rock for returns, but sadly they don't carry the tv I'm looking for :-(

[19:05:35]

nero:

mchou, as long as you can find the monitor you are looking for at costco, thats great..

[19:05:46]

kormoc:

flindet, the FCC says that if you pay for HD Cable, at your request, the cable company must provide you with a firewire enabled cable box

[19:05:56]

flindet:

OMG are you serious?

[19:06:00]

kormoc:

yes

[19:06:05]

metalac:

flindet: i'm in Seattle, WA

[19:06:05]

flindet:

that's f'n sweet

[19:06:08]

flindet:

nice

[19:06:18]

mchou:

kormoc: it doesnt even say that......

[19:06:27]

flindet:

?

[19:06:40]

mchou:

it says cableco must provide firewire box at customer request

[19:06:47]

nero:

/begin the Cable HD firewire debate...

[19:06:50]

** nero ducks **

[19:07:03]

mchou:

i.e. you dont have to be subscribed to digital cable

[19:07:07]

flindet:

and will the signal that leaves the box toward my myth via firewire be unecrypted so that I can record it?

[19:07:25]

flindet:

nero: what debate is that?

[19:07:29]

kormoc:

usually

[19:07:30]

mchou:

flindet: where you been??

[19:07:46]

nero:

flindet, almost every time this issue comes up, it gets pretty heated in here.. lol

[19:07:47]

metalac:

flindet: on mine everything but VH1 and PPV are free to record

[19:07:48]

kormoc:

there's a few stations that I know people get via the cable box that don't go over the firewire

[19:07:52]

flindet:

sorry, I don't even have a cable box now. I just go from the wall to my myth

[19:07:56]

mchou:

flindet: that what we were talking about earlier with firewire STB

[19:07:57]

kormoc:

(xris gets everything except VH1)

[19:08:06]

kormoc:

but yeah, for the most part, it works well

[19:08:14]

flindet:

what is there to debate? some people are unhappy with it?

[19:08:24]

mchou:

there is no debate

[19:08:53]

nero:

no.. some are in the camp that all you have to do is ask.. while others feel that the cable companies tend to play "stupid" as to not get you your firewire box..

[19:09:00]

mchou:

kormoc said you needed to be subscribed to HD cable. I said the law has no such requirement for firewire STB

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flindet:

well, I never watch vh1 anyway, but I wonder why they bother encrypting that channel and not the others

[19:09:40]

nero:

as I have never experienced either side myself (remember the ancient sony tube I have), I just stay out of it.. ;)

[19:09:49]

metalac:

anyone knows how i can get my hands on test-mpeg2

[19:09:55]

flindet:

okay, well, thanks a lot for the firewire tips. I had absolutely no idea that was an option. So, I sure appreciate that!

[19:09:58]

metalac:

damn wiki is down and i forgot where it's at

[19:10:13]

mchou:

flindet: where do you live?

[19:10:26]

flindet:

mchou: sacto, ca

[19:10:57]

mchou:

flindet: go down to the local comcast office and get a STB ASAP. $5/mo

[19:11:06]

flindet:

right on

[19:11:19]

mchou:

flindet: beats paying close to $100 for air2pc

[19:11:20]

flindet:

well, i'm moving next week and will have to have them install cable again. I'll do it then

[19:11:35]

mchou:

flindet: ok. that makes sense

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ShockValue:

bah.. someone go kick the mythtv.org server eh?

[19:13:07]

flindet:

is there any channel that's HDTV 24/7 that I can use anytime as a solid test?

[19:13:25]

mchou:

INHD

[19:13:45]

mchou:

well, dunno 24/7, but it's pretty damn close

[19:13:48]

** nero slinks back to coding.. later everyone. **

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flindet:

INHD?

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mchou:

INHD

[19:14:19]

mchou:

flindet: look it up

[19:15:06]

flindet:

well, I've found of inhd.com, but I've never heard of this before

[19:15:17]

mchou:

sigh

[19:15:19]

flindet:

guess this is some new channel you get with hd or something?

[19:15:40]

mchou:

it's Mark Cuban's stations

[19:15:45]

disant:

is there a channel switcher for Explorer 4200HD

[19:15:47]

disant:

?

[19:16:09]

flindet:

oh, that's a good point, can you change channels from firewire? or I'll have to get IR blasters working?

[19:16:20]

disant:

btw.. tried recording HD (J Leno's show) .. cameout sluggish but in HD

[19:16:26]

kormoc:

you can change via firewire

[19:16:36]

disant:

flindet, w/channel switcher.. if there's one fro your box

[19:16:36]

mchou:

flindet: yup, change channels via firewire

[19:16:38]

flindet:

oh, the luxury

[19:17:01]

flindet:

disant: a software channel switcher in myth?

[19:17:55]

disant:

no... a USB hardware device that you hook up to your myth box... looks like a finger... you have to poing it to your cable box.. and it presses buttons as needed

[19:18:04]

disant:

yeah.. software channel switcher in myth

[19:18:14]

flindet:

kick ass

[19:18:19]

flindet:

thanks again for all the tips. I sure appreciate it

[19:19:29]

disant:

anyone uses firewire/Explorer 4200HD combo?

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fryfrog:

anyone muck about with mythgame?

[19:24:59]

regicide666:

I use it a little

[19:25:15]

fryfrog:

do you use a joypad/stick with it?

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fryfrog:

i'm kind of wondering how hard/easy it is to use an xbox pad with it

[19:25:34]

fryfrog:

i have the kernel driver module loaded, it is seen and shows up in dmesg

[19:25:45]

regicide666:

I use an xbox pad and a wireless logitech rymble pad

[19:25:46]

fryfrog:

that said, i've not actually set anything up in mythgame yet

[19:25:49]

fryfrog:

ah

[19:26:09]

fryfrog:

any opinion on the best system to emulate?

[19:26:15]

fryfrog:

snes, nes, mame, ds, etc?

[19:26:19]

regicide666:

I like mame

[19:26:27]

fryfrog:

ah

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regicide666:

but I also do snes nes

[19:27:18]

regicide666:

I am thinking of looking into getting pc games going in mythgame

[19:27:26]

fryfrog:

pc games?

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fryfrog:

like, games that work in linux?

[19:27:36]

fryfrog:

quake3 or doom3 or something?

[19:27:37]

regicide666:

yea

[19:27:43]

fryfrog:

ah

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regicide666:

I have not looked into it much and the only time I tried it did not work

[19:29:15]

regicide666:

but yea the xbox pad will work just like any other joystick

[19:29:22]

fryfrog:

cool

[19:29:32]

fryfrog:

any idea what /dev device it might end up?

[19:29:47]

fryfrog:

input: X-Box pad as /class/input/input2

[19:30:00]

fryfrog:

that is what the dmesg output shows, so i *guess* /dev/input/input2?

[19:30:06]

regicide666:

in /dev/input/js0

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regicide666:

or /dev/js0

[19:30:14]

bluey-:

mhh /dev/input/joy0 ?

[19:30:18]

Optic:

hey, is mythtv.org down?

[19:30:24]

fryfrog:

humm, i don't have a js0 / joy0 :/

[19:30:26]

kormoc:

topic...

[19:30:28]

Juski:

Optic: topic ^^^

[19:30:40]

Optic:

ah

[19:30:41]

Optic:

thanks

[19:30:57]

Optic:

is there a download mirror for the release tarballs?

[19:31:08]

AdamDH:

any ideas when it will be back?

[19:31:28]

fryfrog:

guess i'll just unplug and replug, see what shows up new :)

[19:31:36]

Juski:

Optic: you really wanna be using the -fixes branch from svn.mythtv.org anyway

[19:32:10]

regicide666:

what distro are you running

[19:32:12]

Optic:

ah. how long's the site been down? the topic doesn't really provide much information. ;)

[19:32:36]

fryfrog:

yeah, i wonder if the dude who takes care of the site knows? :)

[19:32:53]

fryfrog:

surely he does, i imagine there are 100s of people msg'ing him "yo, dude did you know the myth site is down!" :p

[19:33:23]

Optic:

i'm just wondering if it's been like a day, a week, a month, four months, a couple hours...?

[19:33:27]

Juski:

Optic: site has been down most of the day. don't expect it to be down for very long in terms of days though

[19:33:35]

Optic:

oh, ok

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fryfrog:

just cause i'm not 100% sure, mame is *old school* arcade games, right?

[19:35:31]

regicide666:

yea

[19:36:20]

Optic:

is this a well-known mirror: http://ftp.osuosl.org/pub/mythtv/ ?

[19:36:22]

fryfrog:

are those roms... legal yet due to age?

[19:36:46]

regicide666:

I don't think so

[19:36:50]

Optic:

hmm

[19:36:53]

regicide666:

not all are that old

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fryfrog:

ah

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Optic:

wow, that mirror is lightning fast, official or not ;)

[19:39:58]

fryfrog:

Optic: looks "offical" looking, i recognize "osuosl" i think?

[19:40:10]

fryfrog:

"Open Source, University of Oslow?

[19:40:14]

fryfrog:

maybe i'm wrong :)

[19:40:35]

kormoc:

Oregon State University, Open Source Labs

[19:40:36]

Optic:

might be worth putting in the topic with a "use at your own risk" or something, you can at least get the current releases there

[19:40:38]

** Optic shrugs **

[19:40:46]

fryfrog:

no one reads the topic anyway :)

[19:40:50]

Optic:

true enough

[19:41:05]

Juski:

Optic: seriously.. you wanna be using the -fixes branch instead

[19:41:07]

kormoc:

and given that's where the server is coloed, it's the officalist we have

[19:41:12]

fryfrog:

any opinion on the *easiest* emulator to setup in myth?

[19:41:28]

Optic:

juski: i'll rebuild and reinstall when the site comes back... the hard part is the dependencies ;)

[19:42:04]

fryfrog:

isn't svn on another server?

[19:42:10]

kormoc:

nope

[19:42:10]

Optic:

oh, I dunno?

[19:42:15]

fryfrog:

oh, nm then :)

[19:42:23]

Optic:

i think it's an all eggs, one basket kinda thing

[19:42:25]

Juski:

Optic: on debian/ubuntu just apt-get build-dep mythtv mythplugins

[19:42:39]

Juski:

assuming you've updated your sources.list of course ;)

[19:42:40]

Optic:

ahh, i'm on knoppmyth :P

[19:42:43]

fryfrog:

i think gentoo has a cache of the 0.20 release *and* the patch to get it to "current" -fixes

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kormoc:

that it does

[19:43:16]

fryfrog:

or you could just wait :)

[19:43:21]

Optic:

i could

[19:43:29]

fryfrog:

i wonder what is wrong, if it is a server or network issue

[19:43:40]

fryfrog:

hope the poor little server didn't bite the bullet :)

[19:44:01]

Optic:

rah rah clusters :)

[19:44:03]

kormoc:

it's no longer a little server

[19:44:19]

kormoc:

cual core opteron, 3ware 9550 SX, dual sata 2 drives... :P

[19:44:23]

fryfrog:

wow, xbmc 2.0 file out?

[19:44:28]

fryfrog:

final i mean

[19:45:01]

Juski:

final, as in 'ever' ?

[19:45:11]

Optic:

kormac: I'd rather have four P4's with a single 80GB SATA drive each and 512MB RAM :)

[19:45:13]

fryfrog:

no no, i guess an "offical" version

[19:45:19]

Juski:

last time I tried it they'd make the UI all spiffy & animated

[19:45:23]

Juski:

s/make/made

[19:45:26]

Anduin:

The server is still there, with a load average of 251 currently.

[19:45:34]

Optic:

eeek

[19:45:35]

fryfrog:

i've been using cvs versions

[19:45:40]

kormoc:

christ...

[19:46:00]

Optic:

I had that happen to my server with an apache fork bug a couple years ago :)

[19:46:04]

Juski:

pwnage

[19:46:32]

Optic:

ssh server

[19:46:44]

Optic:

> can't execute /bin/bash, no more processess

[19:47:09]

Optic:

hate when that happens :)

[19:48:42]

Optic:

yay, the svn checkout is working :)

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Ibeam:

I have analog cable here, via NTL, and some of the channes are one thing in the day time (eg Cartoon Network) and another at night (eg TCM) , how would I deal with the EPG for this channel?

[19:49:43]

fryfrog:

blech

[19:50:00]

** Optic dances with joy **

[19:50:06]

Optic:

0.20 upgrade for meeee

[19:50:40]

Juski:

Ibeam: you don't

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Ibeam:

hehe, ok.

[19:51:24]

Juski:

tell NTL to give you proper cable

[19:51:51]

Juski:

I had no idea they did that anyway.. that's as bad as what topuptv do

[19:52:02]

Ibeam:

that would imply that i would have to pay them a proper fee for it too

[19:53:07]

Ibeam:

Â£3 for analog cable isn't much, compared to a proper digital service for Â£15.. :(( .. I'm not complaining

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Juski:

true

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Juski:

those old Jerrold & GI boxes are gonna die sooner or later though

[19:56:46]

Ibeam:

yup, they've been removing channels every so often for the past 2 to 3 years .. they want to stop the analog service completely in a few years

[19:58:47]

Juski:

and to think there are people on the digitalspy forums whining that they can't get HD on NTL.. lol

[19:58:53]

fuffal0:

this card will work fine with mythtv, right? http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=17 . . . re=HAUPPAUGE

[19:59:18]

Juski:

fuffal0: it'll work in linux, yup

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Optic:

gak

[20:10:23]

Optic:

mythtv-fixes build error :(

[20:10:23]

Optic:

http://pastebin.ca/188133

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Optic:

haha, apt-get install binutils and apt-get install gcc (upgrades) fixed it

[20:18:01]

Optic:

basically, ouch :)

[20:18:04]

Optic:

i should probably make clean ;)

[20:20:07]

fryfrog:

In MythGame, do you setup the emulator on *each* frontend? Ie, each FE has individual settings?

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gentoo-user7184:

I am having a really weird problem.. last night i recored a show but when i go to mthtv recoridng it shows the file and the preview shows but if i try and watch it screen goes blacka nd then jumps back to the menu

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gentoo-user7184:

Now i think it has to dow ith the power going out just as the show came to an end

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gentoo-user7184:

is there a way to fix this? i am running mythtv .19

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kormoc:

gentoo-user7184, run the frontend via a term and read the output of what it says when you try to watch it

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gentoo-user7184:

http://rafb.net/paste/results/y5m4LX10.html

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gentoo-user7184:

looks like the mysql data is bad

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kormoc:

yeah

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kormoc:

might just need to wipe the cutlist data

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gentoo-user7184:

in the mysql?

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kormoc:

aye

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kormoc:

line 43

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gentoo-user7184:

line 43? huh?

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kormoc:

in your p[astebin

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gentoo-user7184:

oo yea

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gentoo-user7184:

just have to remember how to wipe the cutlist

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gentoo-user7184:

cleared the cutlist and yet still an error

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Aid`:

well can't you just rerecord it?

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Aid`:

because if the power went out, you didn't get it all anyways, right?

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gentoo-user7184:

power when out at 11:59 shows ended at 12:00

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gentoo-user7184:

went**

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gentoo-user7184:

its snl with dane cook as host

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gentoo-user7184:

i can watch outside of mythtv with no problem and even the preview of the file works

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Aid`:

maybe goto jobs and select commercial flagging?

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Aid`:

and let that maybe fix it?

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gentoo-user7184:

ok i found the error

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gentoo-user7184:

the file name is wrong

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gentoo-user7184:

nvm that

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Aid`:

so you've gotten it to work?

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gentoo-user7184:

not yet

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gentoo-user7184:

ok its fixed now

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gentoo-user7184:

i had two snl one was just live tv and is deleted but not from mysql

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gentoo-user7184:

thanks

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hexd:

hello all

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hexd:

anyone available to offer advice on dvb tuning issues?

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Aid`:

hithere

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Aid`:

dvb-s?

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hexd:

dvb-t

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Aid`:

ok maybe i can help, what do you need

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hexd:

I have a usb dvb-t tuner – which since upgrading to 0.20 will not tune channels on one multiplex

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hexd:

well not in myth anyway (tzap -r works fine)

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Aid`:

well is there anything in .20 that you use that isn't in .19

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kormoc:

it's better to report it as a bug if it's a bug then to downgrade and hope it fixes it...

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hexd:

have considerd that – only the interactive TV really

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kormoc:

upgrade anything else? kernel version? drivers?

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metalac:

hey will mythtv work with gt4 at all?

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metalac:

or is it still gt3?

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kormoc:

I assume you mean qt?

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metalac:

oh whoops :)

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metalac:

yeah

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kormoc:

qt3 only, ay

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kormoc:

e

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hexd:

kernel version 2.6.12–2.3.legacy_FC3

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metalac:

is there a plan to make it qt4 compatible?

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kormoc:

not really

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metalac:

and maybe use some new features

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jd86:

Hi all, I recently upgrade from an old svn to the current .20a release... mythbackend starts and remains running and says that its upgrading to a new version and then looks like it should be going but it doesn't open ports or anything... is this a known issue?

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daboo:

quick question: do any of the PVRs (150, 350, 500) have video out, or would I need to get a seperate vid card for that?

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hexd:

the PVR250 does

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hexd:

sorry 350 even

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daboo:

so if I got a 350, I wouldn't need a video card to hook it up to a tv?

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kormoc:

daboo, but a 150 + nvidia card is cheaper and better quality then a 350

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daboo:

ah, is that so?

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fryfrog:

easier by far too :)

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daboo:

alrighty, thanks

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fryfrog:

is there a "sort" name for the sega master system?

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hexd:

kormoc: nothing else upgraded recently – kernel is 2.6.12–2.3.legacy_FC3 – driver is DiBcom 3000 DVB-T driver from kernel

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fryfrog:

like "genesis" for sega genesis, etc?

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fryfrog:

er, "short" name :)

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fryfrog:

snes, nes as other examples

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kormoc:

sms?

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fryfrog:

is that what its commonly called?

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kormoc:

donno

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fryfrog:

i just haven't heard anyone call it anything in conversation

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fryfrog:

everyone knows "nes" and "snes" :)

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fryfrog:

and "n64" etc

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hexd:

kormoc: If I file a bug can you recomend which mythbackend log options would be appropriate for a log to demonstrate?

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scopeuk:

is sms sega master system

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fryfrog:

i dunno, is it?

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scopeuk:

sorry reading back

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fryfrog:

i think of it as txt messaging :)

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scopeuk:

well yes it is

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fryfrog:

ms sms

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fryfrog:

system management services?

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scopeuk:

i was reading back bottom upand got wrogn endof the conversation

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fryfrog:

i think?

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kormoc:

hexd, I can't, sorry. but I'm sure if you ask in the ticket, I'm sure someone can tell you

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scopeuk:

short messaging service

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fryfrog:

scopeuk: the question is, what is the abbreviation for the sega master system :)

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kormoc:

Super Mushroom Soup!

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hexd:

kormoc: ok thanks for the advice

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scopeuk:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sega_Master_System

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scopeuk:

sms apparently

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fryfrog:

ah

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fryfrog:

say anything about the genesis?

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scopeuk:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sega_Genesis

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scopeuk:

probably smd owing to its european name althoguh im jsut guessing

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fryfrog:

i wonder why nintendo ds roms are number 1-xxx?

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fryfrog:

i mean, who decides what # a game is?

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scopeuk:

lol

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fryfrog:

nice idea though :)

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fryfrog:

maybe nintendo does it for em :p

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metalac:

wow i just recompiled with gcc 4.1 and openGL drawing is slooooowwwwww

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manchicken:

Anybody know how to get mythtv to work with postgres?

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Anduin:

manchicken: You don't.

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rushfan:

Hello. Which type of deinterlacing do you guys reccommend?

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manchicken:

Is there a way to get it to work with anything other than mysql?

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xris:

rushfan: personally, I use the stuff built into the nvidia driver

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Anduin:

manchicken: There is not.

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manchicken:

That's a shame.

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rushfan:

xris: Eh? I'm talking about the options availabe in mythtv setup.

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Anduin:

manchicken: meh

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xris:

rushfan: nvidia's are better. but before I had the nvidia card, I used kernel

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kormoc:

manchicken, you could write a mysql <-> postgresql conduit...

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rushfan:

xris: How do I use nvidias?

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rushfan:

I have an nvidia card.

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xris:

rushfan: what output are you using on the card?

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manchicken:

Does mythtv use any mysql-specific functionality, or is it tied directly to the mysql api?

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rushfan:

xris: AVG

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disant:

anyone uses firewire/Explorer 4200HD combo? ... i'm trying to find a channel switcher that will work with that cablebox

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kormoc:

manchicken, it uses QT's mysql api, and does use some mysql specific functionality

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Anduin:

manchicken: It uses the Qt MySQL driver, and yes uses MySQL specifics several places.

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xris:

rushfan: huh?

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xris:

vga, you mean?

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rushfan:

xris: Woops. Yes. lol My brain is defunct today

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kormoc:

Using a virus scanner to output video is the future!

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Juski:

oo xris.. got a poser for you :) (or :( )

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xris:

nvidia's stuff won't help you, then. only works with the analog tv-out stuff

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xris:

Juski: ?

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rushfan:

xris: Oh. So which kernel deinterlacing did you use?

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xris:

rushfan: there's only one

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rushfan:

Oh. I see. Kernel is an actual type.

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rushfan:

I found that linear blending was quite nasty.

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nero:

xris- which nvidia cards can do deint?

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kormoc:

rushfan, you should just try them all and pick the one you like the best...

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** nero is guessing his lowly 440mx cant... :/ **

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xris:

nero: everything 5200 and up, I think

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nero:

ahhh.. yes.. figured.. :)

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Juski:

xris: yup.. sorry – was just scrolling back a fair way to find it... mythweb 0.20-fixes on erm... a checkout from today... mythweb basically works BUT on clicking anything to do with TV functions I get: Parse error: syntax error, unexpected ')' in /var/www/mythweb/includes/recording_schedules.php on line 271

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** jams tosses nero a spare 5200 **

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nero:

lol jams..

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Zider:

jams: me too!

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manchicken:

You'd think that Qt would abstract that.

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xris:

Juski: thought I fixed that last night

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Juski:

I looked at the ticket, couldn't see a syntax problem in recording_schedules.php, but I find it hard to tell on queries that big ;)

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jams:

nero- makeing good progress today

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nero:

thats good to hear! :)

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jams:

least I think I am =)

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nero:

(with work or the installer?)

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jams:

installer

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nero:

nice!

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Juski:

xris: this was with php5 & mysql5 .. dunno if that'd make any difference

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jams:

the urgent tech part of work is done, now comes the explaining it to everybody and all that meeting goodness

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kormoc:

manchicken, abstract what? it can abstract out querys and similar, but the actual sql can't really be abstracted out very well...

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nero:

oooooooh, fun!!!

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manchicken:

kormoc: I disagree.

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manchicken:

kormoc: It's entirely possible to write compatible SQL.

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jams:

back in a bit, gotta replace this failed drive on my desktop

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manchicken:

kormoc: I do it all the time for a living.

[22:09:04]

kormoc:

manchicken, sure, but that's hardly QT's place...

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manchicken:

kormoc: IIRC, Qt's driver is merely a DB interface, not generating SQL.

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rushfan:

How do I make it so mythtv doenst alway show things at like a 3 second delay?

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xris:

Juski: nope. it was a typo

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kormoc:

manchicken, you said you felt QT should abstract it out

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kormoc:

manchicken, and thus my saying, QT shouldn't really do that...

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manchicken:

kormoc: I'm talking about abstracting the drivers.

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hads:

It does

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manchicken:

kormoc: And it should abstract the drivers.

[22:09:54]

kormoc:

manchicken, sure, QT's driver interface is abstracted out... that's not the problem

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xris:

Juski: update again

[22:10:08]

kormoc:

manchicken, it's the mysql specific stuff in myth's own codebase...

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manchicken:

kormoc: A library like Qt should abstract database drivers. It has a postgres driver. I would think they'd be nearly interchangable at the interface level.

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hads:

Possibly things like fulltext search or something.

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kormoc:

manchicken, sure... but that doesn't change the fact that myth's own sql code is mysql specific...

[22:10:54]

manchicken:

kormoc: That doesn't sound like it'd be something too difficult to abstract either.

[22:11:08]

manchicken:

kormoc: There's no real need to tie to mysql.

[22:11:10]

kormoc:

manchicken, it *is* abstracted like that, it's not QT's fault, it's myth...

[22:11:21]

manchicken:

kormoc: mysql doesn't have any unique functionality at that level.

[22:11:40]

kormoc:

manchicken, sure it does... it does things quite differently in some ways to other SQL databases

[22:12:06]

kormoc:

manchicken, simple things like the handling of nulls vs '' are gotchas that would need to be addressed in myth's codebase

[22:12:11]

manchicken:

kormoc: Not in front of the interface. From the SQL side of things, it doesn't do too much different.

[22:12:31]

kormoc:

manchicken, it's not a interface problem... it's myth's own SQL that doesn't work with postgresql.......

[22:12:35]

manchicken:

kormoc: That's hardly mysql specific.

[22:12:54]

kormoc:

manchicken, no, but it's a issue that needs to be addressed in myth's code before it can be postgresql compatable...

[22:13:03]

manchicken:

kormoc: And that's a laziness/poor-design problem, not a unique DB functionality issue.

[22:13:20]

kormoc:

manchicken, noone ever said it was a DB functionality issue... it's just currently written that way.

[22:13:29]

kormoc:

manchicken, and if you want to fix it, patches would be welcome

[22:13:39]

manchicken:

kormoc: I might do that.

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jd86:

I got mythtv .20a working :), whats this new mytharchive thing ? (trying to find on website where it talks about it can't though)

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Anduin:

manchicken: You are the first person to every make these observations and threaten patches.

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rushfan:

Anyone know why mythtv is always like 3 seconds behind my actual TV?

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manchicken:

kormoc: I'd be careful about stating this "unique" functionality if I were you though. You're way off base on that.

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kormoc:

manchicken, I never said it was unique, i said it depends on mysql specifc behaviour and functionality.

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Juski:

thanks xris. I've just checked & it was 11361 I was using

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kormoc:

manchicken, at no point in time did I ever say postgresql couldn't do it, it's just something that requires mythtv code changes before it can happen.

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J-e-f-f-A:

rushfan: Very simple — it's buffering it to disk, then playing it back from disk.

[22:15:33]

manchicken:

kormoc: And I'm saying you're wrong on the null handling thing. That has nothing to do with mysql. If anything it's an inconsistency in the Qt driver(s).

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kormoc:

manchicken, not true

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manchicken:

kormoc: NULL handling in DBMS' is a rather well defined functionality.

[22:16:12]

kormoc:

manchicken, mysql is not constant on it's handling of '' vs nulls. Most of the time it will return '' as nulls in varchars, but when used in a subquery, it will return ''

[22:16:30]

kormoc:

manchicken, you forget, mysql is not ACID compliant

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Anduin:

rushfan: encoding takes non-zero time

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Juski:

the box is down for the time being til tomorrow when I have a chance to play with it again.. now it's bedtime... thanks very much for looking – I've said before that mythweb is the most used myth feature in this house & it was the only thing holding back the 0.20 upgrade

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rushfan:

Anduin: oh. Makes sense.

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manchicken:

kormoc: That's hardly a plus of the database.

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kormoc:

manchicken, and the DBMS stuff relys on the mysql engine, and if the engine has these issues, the DBMS can hardly deal with it

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kormoc:

manchicken, noone said it was a plus, it's something that needs to be delt with, tis all...

[22:17:30]

manchicken:

kormoc: That would hardly be a difficult thing to handle.

[22:17:38]

kormoc:

sure it would

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manchicken:

How so?

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manchicken:

Making code handle NULLs versus empty strings shouldn't be that difficult.

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kormoc:

a SELECT on VARCHAR(25) NULL returns NULL... it that a NULL or a empty string?

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manchicken:

kormoc: Why not handle both?

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kormoc:

because some places in the code, they are treated differently

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kormoc:

NULL means it was never entered, '' means it was entered blank

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kormoc:

it's a pain to handle, tis all

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kormoc:

postgresql doesn't have these issues, but mysql does, and the code deals with all these mysql specific things, and thus needs to be changed to be postgresql complient...

[22:20:04]

kormoc:

while keeping mysql compatibility of course.

[22:20:47]

manchicken:

Where the hell do they keep the SVN link around here?

[22:20:56]

kormoc:

svn.mythtv.org

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manchicken:

Now all I need is a TV tuner ^_^

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manchicken:

mythtv supports web content, too, right?

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kormoc:

as in?

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manchicken:

nvm... I'm more interested in the code about now.

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kormoc:

there's mythweb, a web interface to mythtv, and there's mythbrowser, a browser plugin for mythfrontend

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manchicken:

Wow.... 630 hits of "mysql" in the codebase. heh

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jd86:

something wierd: when i hit the escape for some reason it seems to go two menus back at once... could this be my lirc setup or something?

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J-e-f-f-A:

jd86: If you're hitting esc on you keyboard, then no. If hitting a button on your IR remote that's mapped to ESC, then yest.

[22:25:40]

J-e-f-f-A:

s/yest/yes/

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jd86:

yeah I have a rf remote

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jd86:

i'm going to set a repeate limit on that key in lircrc

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Ibeam:

what's the best way to automate a permission/owner change for a device?

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BULLE:

Ibeam: udev

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kormoc:

configure your udev setup?

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Ibeam:

heh, thank you, I just realised I asked a very silly question

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Ibeam:

:)

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opello:

kormoc: couldn't you use ifnull(field, '')

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kormoc:

opello, depends on where in the query it's used. if it's in a subquery, mysql's optimizer helpfully converts it to a null randomly...

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jd86:

I'm thinking that it may not be remote I just put repeat = 9 in lircrc for escape and when i press the x (escape) from within the media library menu it comes up with do you want to exit mythtv

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opello:

kormoc: hrm, interesting

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opello:

kormoc: i guess i've not used mysql5 so haven't played with its subqueries

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manchicken:

VERY cool. There's a fair amount of DB abstraction already there.

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Anduin:

manchicken: Yeah, it is almost like people before you have tried and failed.

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kormoc:

opello, yeah, it might be limited to certain versions, but I know I've run into it before

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manchicken:

Anduin: If the framework already exists, it shouldn't be that complicated.

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J-e-f-f-A:

jd86: Try raising the 'minrepeat' value — that's the minimum number of times the ir code has to be received before sending the mapped key.

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kormoc:

manchicken, submit the patches and then tell us about how complicated it was or wasn't.

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jd86:

oh i didn't know about that hmm

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jd86:

i'll try that soon just started a show, but thanks J-e-f-f-A

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Anduin:

manchicken: There are countless thread about it in the mail archives, and at least two people who actually put in work (work that resulted in what you see now, that is to say, not it)

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nordle:

hi guys, got 0.20 installed, spent days trying to get compro dvb-t200 to pick up more than 10 channels (none of which it actually could tune in to to get any output). So stuck in old nova-t and bang 56 channels. But now the audio goes out of sync with video when watching livetv. It resyncs after a while, then goes out again for 10mins. The whole thing looks to play 2–3fps slower than it should (PAL-I = 25fps right?). Does that sound familer to any

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aent:

hi... myth won't record for some reason, it can't seem to create files in /var/lib/mythtv, it was able to yesterday fine

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aent:

I can watch TV fine though

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tjcarter:

dammit, Ubuntu has made MythTV depend on NOT having NVIDIA's drivers.

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Anduin:

aent: which version?

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aent:

the ubuntu packages for 0.20

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aent:

I'm using edgy

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Anduin:

aent: time to run the backend -v all,nodatabase and pastebin the failed chunk from a scheduled vs the successful one from live

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Anduin:

aent: live and scheduled recordings go through the same stuff, same destination directory, etc.

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tjcarter:

aent: what are the permissions on /var/lib/mythtv, how much space is available, and why did you leave that set to /var/lib/anything ? =)

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CyberKnet:

Argh. This ndure installer for xbox-linux keeps giving me a black screen :|

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J-e-f-f-A:

kormoc: For a few minutes I thoght you two were going to get the boxing gloves out! ;-)

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aie93:

hi, i was wondering if anyone could help me.. I've got mythtv working nicely now, but i compiled and installed mythtv-plugins and mythtv-themes packages off the website and i get no extra icons when i run mythtvfrontend and also i can't change my theme from anything other than G.A.N.T or blue. I get no errors when compiling or installing the packages and i ran installs as root

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nordle:

aie93: Did you set the --prefix=/usr/local to the same on each, could be that...

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aie93:

didn't set --perfix on any of them, so i assume they all went to the same place

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aent:

when I start a recording from live TV, it seems to record fine

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aent:

its just scheduled recordings that it won't create the files for

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bofh_omega:

hi @all, I've a little problem with recording videos using some other definition als manual recording. Every video which should start at a given date/time hast just 0 bytes. And mythtv says recording done...

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aent:

so why is it for scheduled recordings it won't create the file?

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bofh_omega:

the file is created, but hast zero length

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nordle:

aie93: oh, mm, you did run make install, does mythfilldatabase need to be run again, does ldconfig need to be run, dont know if any libs involved.

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nordle:

aie93: also, might be worth re-starting backend, although this is all guesswork as Im new at this, no idea really.

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bofh_omega:

manual recording works. watching tv works. Having a list to choose the simpsons from works. Having a program overview _doesn't_ work

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aie93:

nordle: what does ldconfig do?

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aie93:

i've just run it

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kormoc:

man ldconfig

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nordle:

aie93: it updates systems links to libraries, some apps wont work until the libs are registed, its 99.9999% not going to do anything for your case, but it doesnt hurt :)

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aie93:

i'm re-running that mythfilldatabase

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aie93:

i thought that was to do with listings rather than themes and plugins, was i wrong to think that?

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LoneShadow:

is there a svn trunk for mythtv ?

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bofh_omega:

LoneShadow: yes have a look at the webpage

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hadees:

has anyone used mythtv with slingbox?

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J-e-f-f-A:

hadees: Probably not — MythTV >IS< my 'slingbox'... ;-)

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LoneShadow:

bofh_omega: wiki seems borken

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aie93:

the site was down most of the day

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aie93:

still haven't got the wiki fixed it seems

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bofh_omega:

LoneShadow: your right. Have a look at google "svn site:mythtv.org"

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LoneShadow:

yea

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bofh_omega:

use the cached version if the wiki isn't up sry

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hadees:

J-e-f-f-A, MythTV isn't like slingbox, although mythtv can do some streaming, what I am really intrested in about slingbox is the no hassle part. I plan on buying one an leaving it at my parents house so I can watch my sports teams

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flyback:

dunno how much longer slingbox will be around

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flyback:

before mpaa destroys them

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flyback:

or gets morons in congress to pass laws bannign them

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J-e-f-f-A:

hadees: That's fine, but myth is much more than slingbox. Slingbox just streams a live a/v feed — Myth can stream anything I have recorded, not just a single live feed.

[23:05:09]

flyback:

I';m ready to vote all democrat this year even if that means al quida burns us to the ground

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flyback:

because the republican party has been excessively stupid lately

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aie93:

so when everyone installed mythdvd they just did configure, make, make install? didn't have to add anything setting or anything?

[23:05:24]

LoneShadow:

svn co http://svn.mythtv.org/svn/branches/release-0-20-fixes/mythtv

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flyback:

passing laws that involve tech when they don

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LoneShadow:

is this the new released version ?

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flyback:

don't even know how the fuck the tech works

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LoneShadow:

0.20a ?

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kormoc:

LoneShadow, yes, that's the fixes branch...

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hadees:

J-e-f-f-A, i get that part but mythtv also breaks sometimes for no real reason and since i don't live where this box is going i think slingbox is a better choice

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kormoc:

LoneShadow, just like what the first page at svn.mythtv.org says

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flyback:

:/

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LoneShadow:

thanks

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hadees:

just wondering if anyone was able to use mythstream with slingbox to watch feeds, although i recently read they just started encrypting their feeds so i am guessing thats a no

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hadees:

never hurts to ask though

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bofh_omega:

someone successfully using a mythtv 0.20 build on gentoo here?

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bofh_omega:

*mumble* ok

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aie93:

anyone with any ideas about getting mythdvd to appear on my mythfrontend menu?

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nero:

aie93, make sure you configured mythdvd to install to the correct directory.

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aie93:

how do i know what directory to install into?

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nero:

aie93, whatever you configured the prefix to be for your mythtv install.. usually /usr/local or /usr

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jd86:

J-e-f-f-A, the minrepeat didn't help it, i think theres something else going on making it want to exit after hitting "escape" key on remote from media library

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J-e-f-f-A:

jd86: Then I'm not sure what else to try... you may need to ask on the ##lirc channel

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bofh_omega:

aent: whats your issue?

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jd86:

J-e-f-f-A, i think its doing that anyway even when it doesn't send two from the remote... something weird is going on

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gentoo-user7184:

I am running mythtv .19 but i am unable to transcode my recordings

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aent:

when I schedule a recording it can't seem to create the file

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kormoc:

and the logs say?

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gentoo-user7184:

does ur location have write permissions for the user

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aie93:

it needs write permissions for the backend user i think

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aent:

yeah, it has it

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aent:

it doesn't give me any kind of error in mythbackend, it just doesn't write the file

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aent:

and live recordings work fine

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aie93:

have you tried setting the perms to 777

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aent:

yes

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aie93:

i can't even get my plugins to appear, so can't help much... sorry

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bofh_omega:

aent: hmm, seems a bit similar to my issue with scheduled records not working, but manual records ok

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gentoo-user7184:

mythbackend won't allow me to transocde a recordings

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aie93:

try running mtd -d then try again

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bofh_omega:

aent: what version of mythtv are you using

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aent:

if I schedule a manual recording, it doesn't work either, I need to go to live TV and hit r to record myself for it to work

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aent:

0.20

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aent:

when I was on 0.19 it was working fine

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gentoo-user7184:

forgot to emerge mtd

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bofh_omega:

0.20 is my first mythtv so lets see...

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aie93:

gentoo-user7184: you may need to re-compile with the transcode configure option also if mtd -d doesnt work, type ./configure --help to find out more

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bofh_omega:

aent: what distro are you using and what kind of epg/card/setup

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aie93:

gentoo-user7184: mtd is for mythdvd, not sure if it is used my mythbackend also...

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gentoo-user7184:

well i have transcode enabled for mythtv

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aent:

ubuntu, zap2it, pvr350

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h0ser:

when my kernel loads (mythdora) ir_kbd_i2c loads as a module and i think it is causing my remote not to work, i like lircd, however when i do rmmod ir_common or modprobe -r, it crashes the computer, is there a way to stop it from loading in the first place?

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aent:

ubuntu edgy

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aent:

it also seems to not live update the lists anymore in myth as well

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bofh_omega:

ok, so the only thing common is the ivtv driver I think. Maybe different problems ;)

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aent:

like it doesn't know if stuff is recording and all that

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bofh_omega:

yep, thats also true for my issue. I can't play a manual recording because I simply can't find it (in mythtv)

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gentoo-user7184:

no mtd is only iwht mythdvd

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ShockValue:

hrm.. when i play a video it looks great, but if i enable sound (ALSA:default) the video turns into a slideshow

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ShockValue:

and i get "Writeaudio: buffer underrun" errors all over the place

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kormoc:

try using oss?

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bofh_omega:

ShockValue: have a look at your bitrates.

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kormoc:

/dev/dsp rather then ALSA:default

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nordle:

The default skip ahead is 10mins, can this be changed via mythweb?

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ShockValue:

i dont think i have a /dev/dsp, its a usb sound card

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bofh_omega:

ShockValue: turn on oss emulation

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kormoc:

ShockValue, use the OSS ALSA emulation layer

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ShockValue:

will that work with DD and DTS passthrough?

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fryfrog:

why would you want to use OSS instead of ALSA?

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fryfrog:

ShockValue: it could also be that your sound card expects 48khz instead of 44khz

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fryfrog:

i had that problem

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kormoc:

no, it wouldn't

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fryfrog:

er, actually i think mine were buffer *overruns* :)

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fryfrog:

but why bother with oss?

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fryfrog:

its an *emulation* layer going through alsa

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fryfrog:

so if it *is* an alsa issue, how could that help?

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fryfrog:

i guess stranger things have happened though

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ShockValue:

kormoc – well this thing has to be able to do dts/dd or it's goin in the garbage :)

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kormoc:

cause sometimes it will change the sound enough that the alsa driver likes it

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ShockValue:

ok, let me go try it out.. brb

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fryfrog:

ShockValue: output via digital (optical/coax)?

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metalac:

so anyone around that runs 1080i without XvMC? what hardware you got?

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fryfrog:

I output 720p, think it looks better

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fryfrog:

and i don't use XvMC cause the menus always end up in grayscale :/

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GreyFoxx:

metalac: xp2500+_, 512meg ram, GF4 mx440 video card,

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metalac:

fryfrog: what's your cpu?

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fryfrog:

dual xeon 2.4ghz w/ 1G ram

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fryfrog:

gf4 ti4200

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fryfrog:

output is on DVI

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metalac:

fryfrog: well no wonder you dont run xvmc ;)

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fryfrog:

i hope to replace the dual xeons with something a little quieter, its kind of my test frontend :)

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fryfrog:

and they are old, slow xeons :(

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Zider:

fryfrog: core2duo? :)

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fryfrog:

sure!

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Zider:

love'em

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fryfrog:

or a single core amd, which ever is cheapest & fastest at the time

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fryfrog:

i don't need to build a front end that is *better* than my personal workstation / gaming systems :p

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Zider:

well, they would hardly be fastest ;)

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fryfrog:

i guess i mean bang for the buck

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Zider:

ah, that's a different tale

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fryfrog:

fastest *for* cheapest, not & :)

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metalac:

well i got sempron 2800+ and i wonder if athlon 3400+ would give me a good boost ($80) or spend $300+ core duo system

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Zider:

well, that's a matter of taste I guess..

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BULLE:

metalac: why not buy dualcore amd ?

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metalac:

BULLE: it's a 754 board

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BULLE:

metalac: ah

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siXy:

does anyone happen to have a logitech harmony 525?

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BULLE:

metalac: i got one of those aswell, and i cant seem to find any sane uppgrade paths for it either, here the only thing seems to be the turions, but they are expensive

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metalac:

BULLE: well i found some Athlon 64 3400+, but not sure if it's much of a boost

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BULLE:

metalac: hmmm, that 2800+ of yours, what clock speed is it ? 1.6 1.8 ghz ?

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BULLE:

that 3400 should be 2.2 or 2.4 ghz, right ?

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fryfrog:

metalac: is the sempron 2800+ not swinging it?

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BULLE:

and have atleast 512kb cache

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metalac:

BULLE: 2800+ = 1.6ghz while 3400+=2.4ghz

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metalac:

fryfrog: well I get very choppy HD, for SD it's plenty good

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BULLE:

metalac: and larger cache aswell i guess

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metalac:

yea

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fryfrog:

metalac: and you are sure it is cpu power that is the hold up?

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BULLE:

metalac: yes, i would suspect you would see some speedboost

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metalac:

what I will do probably is overclock the crap out of my current cpu see how much that helps

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fryfrog:

I tried HD on an athlon xp 1600+ and it was *real* choppy :)

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metalac:

and if it works for HD then I'll get the A64

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siXy:

metalac – your graphics hardware may be at fault. people have run hd video on epia systems, so i doubt cpu is the issue here

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BULLE:

metalac: what type of HD content are you trying to watch ?

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fryfrog:

My amd64 3000+ in my "server" plays HD fine

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metalac:

siXy: they run xvmc, i want to avoid that

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fryfrog:

I really would have expected a 2800+ to be enough

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fryfrog:

what is wrong with xvmc?

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metalac:

BULLE: 1080i of my stb

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metalac:

fryfrog: crappy OSD and no PIP

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fryfrog:

oh

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fryfrog:

really?

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fryfrog:

that sucks :p

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Zider:

I'm considering setting up mythtv on my workstation on a second x-display.. does anyone have experience with that?

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BULLE:

metalac: is that mpeg2 or mpeg4 ?

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siXy:

for a start, use 520p rather than 1080i

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metalac:

BULLE: mpeg2

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scottder:

Anyone know of a good free upnp client that works on windows?

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siXy:

zider yes.

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Zider:

siXy: working fine?

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metalac:

siXy: the box outputs 1080i

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BULLE:

metalac: hmm, then it should be doable i think, especialy on a 3400+

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BULLE:

metalac: my 3000+ with ati 9700 pro in windows could just about handle 1080p wmw hd content

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siXy:

you are just capturing it of some kind of set top box then?

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BULLE:

and that is mpeg4 based

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BULLE:

metalac: you got a dreambox or what ?

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metalac:

siXy: yes

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siXy:

zider – yes it works well. 6 independant displays on one single core amd 3200+

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metalac:

BULLE: motorola dct-6200

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BULLE:

aha, never head or =)

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Zider:

siXy: 6 mythtvs running?

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siXy:

yep :) they run very smoothly

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Spicerun:

Is the mythtv wiki down?

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fryfrog:

wait, you run 6 copies of myth on ONE box? outputting HD or SD?

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Zider:

siXy: are any of those on the same gfx-card as the main ws-display?

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fryfrog:

Spicerun: i was bout to ask, i just get a blank page :(

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kormoc:

Spicerun, no, it's just you

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fryfrog:

Spicerun: ah, there it comes

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siXy:

ofc ive written some optimisation stuff, and pretty much re-written lirc to redirect the output, and the startup scripts are a little complex, but it runs great

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Spicerun:

fryfrog: Same here....at least mythtv.org is back...it was off this morning.

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fryfrog:

i keep getting empty pages, try refreshing :/

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siXy:

they are all on independant gfx cards. trying to run 2 x servers on 1 card gets you in to trouble fast, as one card generally will only accellerate one screen

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siXy:

matrox cards are an exceptiont othat rule, but matrox cards have a whole other set of issues so i would avoid them.

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Spicerun:

I keep reloading on seamonkey, but all I get is a blank page.

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kormoc:

siXy, that's not entirely true. I ran tripple head on a FX 5800 running a 19" lcd and a 15" lcd, and a FX 5200 running a 15" lcd, and all three were accellerated quite nicely

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Spicerun:

I have gotten the myth wiki yesterday, so something must have happened overnight.

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siXy:

ah, but 2 out of 3 will be using mesa3d

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fryfrog:

yeah, i can't get a search for "mythgame" go go

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kormoc:

siXy, not true, I had nvidia GLX on all three

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fryfrog:

but i got the main page in a couple refreshes :/

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Spicerun:

Anyhow, I was wondering how to make mythnews refresh manually.

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GreyFoxx:

fryfrog: huh?

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fryfrog:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Main_Page

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kormoc:

siXy, currently, I'm running two LCD's off of a 6800 GS and both displays are fully 3d accellerated

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siXy:

well... that was what worked for me on all the cards i tried, but as kormoc has shown, ymmv :)

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fryfrog:

that results in a blank page most of the time for me

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fryfrog:

i got the page to load *once*, but not again

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fryfrog:

now it came up, and a search worked

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Spicerun:

Ah, got it that time.

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siXy:

i tried several different nvidia and ati cards and couldnt ge thtat result... but then having said that none of the cards i used were as modern as kormocs

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hadees:

anyone here use mythlcd?

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kormoc:

siXy, GLX info shows both servers using Nvidia's opengl, and I'm getting around 14,000 fps in glxgears

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siXy:

hmmm. maybe it would have been worth using fx cards instead of the old ones i used... ah well doesnt matter now :)

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Zider:

kormoc: 14000 fps on a FX5200?

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kormoc:

Zider, 6800 gs

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Zider:

ah

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siXy:

the difficult part was re-writing lirc from scratch, and getting alsa to play along nicely

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Zider:

I wish they could do a more "heavy" glx test than glxgears

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Zider:

14k fps is silly ;)

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Spicerun:

fryfrog: Oh, I know what's happening....I'm compiling the latest gcc in the background, and it is taking enough resources that the browser times out waiting for it on a slower response.

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fryfrog:

that wasn't *my* problem, i am not doing much of anything

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siXy:

you are trying to do other stiff wilst compiling gcc? :)

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Spicerun:

However, mythtv.org was off this morning as I only had the browser going, and it wasn't loading at all.

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kormoc:

siXy, you re-wrote lirc? where's the project page?

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