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[00:03:46] J-e-f-f-A: xirs: 142mb — only 3 min download ... ;-)
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[00:04:01] J-e-f-f-A: xris that is... ;-)
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[00:24:13] vooduhal: Hey guys. I was a little unclear while reading the documentation. Would it be possible to use a PIII 550Mhz, 512MB for a mythtv front end?
[00:25:18] Zider: sure
[00:25:32] Zider: but you won't be playing any hdtv ;)
[00:25:52] J-e-f-f-A: vooduhal: And use an Nvidia card too... ;-)
[00:26:05] vooduhal: Zider, wasn't planning on it. :)
[00:26:15] vooduhal: J-e-f-f-A, sweet. That's what I'll be using.
[00:26:51] Zider: everyone should ;)
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[00:28:07] J-e-f-f-A: Zider: I used to think ATI was the best — back in 97ish when they came out with the "All-In-Wonder" card for pc. It was the best TV tuner of it's time... But alas, Hauppauge kicks booty now!  ;-)
[00:28:31] Wd2048: yeah... now if Hauppauge would just work for me!
[00:28:34] Zider: I never had any high thoughts about ati :)
[00:28:56] J-e-f-f-A: Wd2048: What's up with your Hauppauge card?
[00:28:58] vooduhal: I wish I could use my all in wonder card. I have a 9700 all-in-wonder and no capture card. :(
[00:29:20] Wd2048: i get video okay, but i can't get the remote to work to save my life
[00:30:12] Wd2048: it's a pvr-150 non-MCE with the silver remote
[00:30:15] J-e-f-f-A: Wd2048: Humm... I don't use that remote with myth... I use a M$ MCE remote... Have you checked out the lirc.org site or ##lirc channel?
[00:30:51] Wd2048: i've looked at the lirc.org site, but haven't been to the irc channel yet...
[00:31:39] vooduhal: Another question guys. Would there be any issue with having my encoder boxes writing to NFS over gigabit? I've got about 700GB on a RAID 5 that I would like to keep as central storage but use a different box as my backend.
[00:31:53] CCFL_Man_: i'm going to use a msntv2 for my mythtv frontend
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[00:31:56] J-e-f-f-A: Wd2048: Yeah, the lirc.org site can be a bit tricky to find your way around. Hopefully somebody's on ##lirc that can help ya out...
[00:33:48] Wd2048: i've seen hits from google, where other peeps have gotten my setup working, but when i try what they have documented, i don't get the same results... oh well... i will try over at ##lirc... thanks for the info
[00:34:09] J-e-f-f-A: Wd2048: Sorry, I haven't even tried to get the pvr-150 remote working...
[00:34:41] vooduhal: So anyone with any experience with backend storage on NFS?
[00:34:49] {GuNNeR}: has anyone here had any luck with the haupaugge pvr-150 and mythtv? for some reason I'm only able to scan the first 13 channels in mythtv-setup but I can't see anything past that
[00:35:00] monkeypet: Wd2048: I og the pvr-150 remote working fine.
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[00:35:09] monkeypet: Wd2048: got.
[00:35:24] J-e-f-f-A: GuNNeR: Sounds like you've got your frequency channel set to "Broadcast" instead of "Cable".
[00:35:32] J-e-f-f-A: s/channel/table/
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[00:35:59] Wd2048: monkeypet: what did you do to get it running?
[00:36:43] monkeypet: Wd2048: Nothing special.. what is the issue?
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[00:38:25] Wd2048: well, i loaded the lircd and some other app that i can't remember that I was reading off the mythtv wiki, and did the modprobe, then irw... at that point it just goes back to a bash prompt, and doesn't hang like everyone else documents... then i go back into mythfrontend, and still no remote...
[00:38:36] Wd2048: even tried an old M$ trick and reboot... still no go
[00:39:09] Anduin: irw returning immediately is not good
[00:39:22] Wd2048: yeah, that's what i figures
[00:39:25] Wd2048: err... figured
[00:39:36] {GuNNeR}: J-e-f-f-A: sorry I'm very much new to this – how would I change the frequency channel to cable?
[00:39:41] Anduin: Wd2048: You have the non-blaster version?
[00:39:45] jemarcks_: hey, whats the name of that fancy system monitor program in fedora... somthing like gkrel?
[00:39:50] Wd2048: umm... not sure
[00:39:59] Wd2048: how can i tell?
[00:40:08] jemarcks_: you only get in installed if you install everything.
[00:40:11] Anduin: Wd2048: It there a light when you plug it in?
[00:40:24] Anduin: Wd2048: Does it look like more than just a reciever?
[00:42:16] Wd2048: it has a pig-tail on it... a receiver and another thing that looks like a transmitter... didn't see any lights, though
[00:42:52] Anduin: Wd2048: Yeah, there is another page to download the driver for that
[00:43:10] Wd2048: ok
[00:43:14] Anduin: Wd2048: http://www.blushingpenguin.com/mark/blog/?p=19
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[00:44:27] J-e-f-f-A: GuNNeR – In mythtv-setup – there's a setting somewhere for the 'frequency table' — I'll take a look now...
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[00:47:13] howza: Anduin: this is WD2048... my connection dropped, and i'm waiting for my Nick to time out
[00:47:40] {GuNNeR}: J-e-f-f-A: yea I found it now- thanks for pointing me in the right direction! :)
[00:49:13] J-e-f-f-A: GuNNeR — Well, you're faster than me tonight... I hadn't found it yet!  ;-)
[00:49:33] monkeypet: Man I am trying to rpmbuild mythtv for fc6t3 and going through some dependency hell, oh the bane of packages.
[00:49:56] Anduin: howza: silly to wait, did you get the URL?
[00:50:30] Anduin: monkeypet: Isn't Axel packaging them now?
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[00:50:44] {GuNNeR}: J-e-f-f-A: yea it's under Video Source setup
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[00:54:16] monkeypet: Anduin: No, not on atrpms yet.
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[00:55:07] Wd2048: Andiun: how can you not wait? when I tried to take over the user, it wouldn't let me... it's been a long time
[00:55:46] Wd2048: yes, i got the url... i will work on this... but i need to go for now... i will catch up later
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[01:05:06] brad_mssw: anyone have the pchdtv 5500 card working with QAM256? I think the card is working, just having a hell of a time getting it to work with myth ... I've got a channel scan done in mythtv, and most stations don't have names, thought there are a few that do ...
[01:05:22] brad_mssw: I just can't seem to tune to the channels
[01:05:33] brad_mssw: one channel number for instance is 1008.728
[01:05:56] brad_mssw: i can't even tune to it from the guide, it acts like I didn't do anything
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[01:32:46] {GuNNeR}: has anyone had problems with the guide's time being off? I'm having about a 5 hour difference even when I changed the time in mythtv-setup
[01:33:18] Anduin: Check you timezone
[01:33:20] Anduin: r
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[01:45:24] fryfrog: does anyone have any experience with *new* air2pc cards?
[01:47:06] fryfrog: http://pastebin.ca/186510
[01:47:14] fryfrog: the second card doesn't seem to get discovered properly
[01:47:15] fryfrog: :(
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[01:49:43] fryfrog: humm, maybe i'll try another pci port on the off chance that'd help :/
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[01:57:47] regicide666: when did fans on video cards get so big
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[01:58:11] fryfrog: Nope, being in a different PCI slot didn't help :(
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[02:03:49] fryfrog: man, wtf is wrong with this air2pc card!
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[02:19:16] xanderp: is redhat a pretty fast install to get up and running for a backend box?
[02:19:39] fryfrog: i think there are plenty of guides for fedora
[02:20:27] xanderp: hello fryfrog! you may not remember, but you were the guy that took my first install from 'broken beyond imagination' to 'working like a top' on and amd64 gentoo box. (thanks again btw)
[02:22:02] xanderp: I'd love to build this new one on gentoo, but don't want to dedicate a week to rebuilding all those binaries for a 32bit machine!!
[02:22:22] brad_mssw: anyone have NTSC working on the HD5500 ? ATSC/QAM256 works fine
[02:22:34] fryfrog: hehe, know what you mean :)
[02:23:04] xanderp: and for some reason my cross-compile against the amd64 always went screwy on distcc... :(
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[02:23:13] D-side: hrm.
[02:23:24] D-side: any preferred 0.20 ubuntu dapper repos?
[02:24:19] fryfrog: xanderp: yeah, i never could do that either
[02:24:48] xanderp: some things would work, others horribly not! ;)
[02:25:14] monkeypet: i hate dependency hell, it is just like peeling and smelly rotten onion... trying to get mythtv to compile under fc6t3.
[02:25:30] xanderp: i've not played with ubuntu, does it work well for mythtv?
[02:27:59] fryfrog: i dunno, i spose if you know it :)
[02:28:11] fryfrog: i just finished building a gentoo 32bit front end and it only took a day or two
[02:28:12] xanderp: looks like debian
[02:28:19] fryfrog: ubuntu is based on debian
[02:28:27] fryfrog: brb, gonna try moving this stupid air2pc card :/
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[02:28:32] xanderp: hehe
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[02:35:36] brad_mssw: any reason I can run this command: mplayer tv:// -tv driver=v4l2:device=/dev/v4l/video1:channel=23:norm=NTSC:chanlist=us-cable ... but mythtv can't use the card?
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[02:41:33] brad_mssw: does mythtv not support v4l2 cards that don't output mpeg2?
[02:42:58] Anduin: brad_mssw: run the backend -v all,nodatabase
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[02:48:36] brad_mssw: Anduin, I get a whole bunch of these: 2006-09–29 22:48:03.410 write -> 15 499 BACKEND_MESSAGE[]:[]SIGNAL 3[]:[]Signal Lock[]:[]slock 1 1 0 1 30...
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[03:15:01] D-side: hrm. noob nuvexport question. when it asks for "VBR quality/quantisation" settings between 1 and 31, should that be higher or lower for better quality?
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[03:39:42] {GuNNeR}: has anyone had problems seeing the channel name and callsign in the program guide?
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[03:41:16] Anduin: {GuNNeR}: with specifics like that...
[03:42:01] {GuNNeR}: Anduin: not sure how much more specific I can get than by saying I don't get channel names or their callsigns in the program guide...it just lists "Channel 52" for example
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[03:43:23] Anduin: {GuNNeR}: You used the analog channel scanner
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[03:58:47] Mattwj2005: hey guys....
[03:58:50] Mattwj2005: question for you....
[03:59:30] Mattwj2005: do you need to load a driver for the newest version of Knoppmyth for a pvr-150?
[04:05:16] Mattwj2005: anyone around?
[04:05:37] Anduin: Maybe just people that don't use Knoppmyth
[04:11:31] Mattwj2005: oh okay
[04:11:51] Mattwj2005: I just thought it was quite in general :)
[04:14:42] Mattwj2005: *quiet
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[04:40:45] ShockValue: well thats weird.. my init script for mysql went away
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[04:49:48] metalac: hey guys, i have some problem displaying HDTV (1080i) with Sempron 2800+ (1.6ghz), the sound is fairly good and video is ALMOST there, do you think if i upgrade to Athlong 64 3400+ (2.4ghz) I would be fine?
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[04:51:39] ShockValue: what video card?
[04:52:32] ShockValue: i have a 2.8ghz Intel with a fx5200, and it can /usually/ do it
[04:52:44] JohnQ: I've noticed a lot of strange audio issues since upgrading to 0.20... Audio sync seems to drift.. and the volume seems to fluctuate a lot.. has anyone else seen this behavior?
[04:54:30] DigeratiH: when I was out shopping tonight I notice that the pvr150 only has a svideo IN so in order to watch it on the TV, I gues I need to connect the tv to the regular video cards svideo out
[04:54:31] DigeratiH: correct?
[04:55:28] ShockValue: correct
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[04:55:58] ShockValue: cable -> pvr250 -> video card -> TV
[04:56:07] ShockValue: errr 150
[04:56:26] DigeratiH: im slowly "getting the big picture"
[04:56:32] briand: correct. The only Hauppauge card with a TV-Out function is the PVR-350
[04:56:48] metalac: ShockValue: i don't do XvMC
[04:57:05] briand: that is to say, the PVR-350 is a capture card *and* an output device.
[04:57:25] ShockValue: but support for the 350 has been discontinued, yes?
[04:57:31] Mattwj2005: ShockValue...are you using Knoppmyth?
[04:57:42] briand: ShockValue: why would you say that?
[04:57:48] ShockValue: no
[04:58:04] Mattwj2005: oh okay...my pvr-150 isn't work right now :(
[04:58:29] ShockValue: briand: ive just heard that thrown around on the mailing list, that mythtv isnt actively developing 350 support.. but i dont really know for sure
[04:59:29] briand: ShockValue: I've heard similar ramblings... I even heard that 0.20 could not be used on a PVR-350
[04:59:43] briand: of course, I didn't hear that until after I had upgraded my 0.19 install to 0.20
[04:59:53] briand: and, it's working just fine.
[05:00:15] briand: now, that said, it's not the "be-all and end-all" for a "total" system
[05:00:36] briand: a) it'll never do HDTV — strictly an SDTV output.
[05:00:55] briand: b) no fancy OpenGL animated menus, etc
[05:01:45] briand: but, for a small standard definition only setup, it's a viable option that combines one tuner and the output to TV in a single PCI slot.
[05:02:23] CCFL_Man_: the xbox a good mythtv frontend?
[05:02:51] briand: considering that you could buy an FX5200 card and a PVR-150 for less than what a PVR-350 costs nowadays, it's probably not the best choice unless you are starved for PCI slots in your mythbox.
[05:02:59] ShockValue: bah, this fricken firewall i installed is being a piece of junk
[05:05:09] briand: my (current) MythTV box is an Asus Pundit-R — it only has two PCI slots available (and only room for one internal hard drive).. I've filled both those slots, so there's no room there for further expansion. I'm (slowly) gathering parts and pieces to rebuild my myth box... and probably will not be using the PVR-350's TV-Out function (or, for that matter, the card) in the new box.
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[05:06:07] briand: not because of "lack of support" or anything — it simply won't be needed in the new configuration.
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[05:07:06] JohnQ: Anyone have two pvr-500s in the same machine?
[05:07:15] briand: not yet.  :)
[05:07:32] briand: I have a 350 & a 500 in one machine.
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[05:07:50] briand: JohnQ: why, what's your question?
[05:08:23] JohnQ: I know that a 150 and a 500 in the same machine fight with each other.. I was currious if two 500s would have the same issues.
[05:08:39] briand: "fight with each other"  ?? how so?
[05:09:13] JohnQ: Supposedly the 500 will prevent the 150 from being recognized fully by the drivers
[05:09:14] briand: the 350 is, for all intents and purposes, a 150 combined with a mpeg decoder & tv-out function
[05:09:48] briand: all three sources are recognized and utilized. (the 350 and both tuners on the 500)
[05:09:58] JohnQ: I know... the issue is a very specific chipset thing... I know that a 350 and a 500 work fine.. but I have been told that a 150 and a 500 do not.
[05:10:00] briand: in fact, they're often all recording at the same time
[05:10:26] briand: I suspect whoever told you that did not have things set up/configured properly.
[05:10:34] brian423: I'm having an issue with mythvideo, I set it up earlier tonight and added a whole bunch of imdb information for my videos and now when I go in to either the Video Setup or watch videos mythfrotend instantly crashes (exits back to desktop) this did not happen before I entered the imdb information. I'm running a mythbackend w/ smb (videos on backend, running gentoo) and a suse frontend both are v0.20
[05:10:42] JohnQ: Ive heard it frfom several sources.. including the wiki.
[05:11:22] briand: JohnQ: the wiki is certainly not infallable, either... any page can be written by anybody, and doesn't necessarily contain accurate information. :)
[05:11:25] Anduin: brian423: ATI?
[05:11:40] brian423: ATI on the front end yes
[05:11:49] brian423: 9800pro w/ the newest drivers
[05:11:52] JohnQ: Yeah.. but when it's the third source of the information, I trust it.
[05:11:55] Anduin: brian423: If you disable DRI does it still?
[05:12:13] Anduin: 350 support is simply not maintained
[05:12:24] JohnQ: Anyway... I just wanted to know if anyone has two 500s in the same machine.
[05:12:24] Anduin: (for playback with the MPEG decoder)
[05:12:26] brian423: it did work before the imdb information was in so I'm not sure if it is the ATI, let me see if DRI is diabled
[05:12:40] briand: JohnQ: okay.
[05:12:50] brian423: dri is enabled, what whould happen if I disable it
[05:13:10] Anduin: brian423: work, at least according to some reports
[05:13:24] brian423: ok, I'll try that, I'll need to reboot then :P
[05:13:32] Anduin: brian423: I'd still blame MythVideo
[05:13:48] brian423: yeah, I probably shouldn't have upgraded to 0.20 so quickly
[05:13:59] brian423: ok, I'll be back in a few
[05:14:01] briand: I'll maintain that I highly doubt there's a problem running a 150 & a 500 in the same machine. I won't try to sway your opinion on the matter... but, perhaps you should pose your dual 500 question to those same folks that helped you form your 150/500 opinion.
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[05:14:32] opello: i thought people were running multiple 500s?
[05:14:47] briand: opello: I'm sure they are.
[05:15:49] JohnQ: You dont need to believe me... and honestly, It does not matter to me if a 150 and 500 do not work together. I just want to hear from somone who is running two 500s as to any issues there may or may not be before I go buying a second one.
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[05:17:00] briand: JohnQ: well, you might pose your question on the mythtv-users list — I'd be very surprised if there wasn't at least one person on there running that configuration.
[05:17:26] briand: JohnQ: concerning your current 500 — is it the "new" one (Samsung tuners) or the old one (Phillips tuners) ?
[05:17:27] JohnQ: its not that critical. Which is why I am asking here.
[05:18:38] JohnQ: not sure.
[05:18:54] briand: which version of ivtv are you using?
[05:19:14] JohnQ: 0.6.3
[05:19:47] opello: is the samsung one supported?
[05:19:53] briand: hard to say, then... without looking at the ivtv section of dmesg to see what tuner was detected
[05:20:02] briand: opello: it is my understanding that it is
[05:20:06] opello: tveeprom: tuner = Philips FQ1236A MK4 (idx = 92, type = 57)
[05:20:11] opello: should look something like that
[05:20:26] briand: my 500 is the older one, with the Phillips tuners
[05:20:39] JohnQ: Its a philips
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[05:20:52] briand: (and, if anyone is taking notes, I'm still running ivtv 0.4.0-tagged release)
[05:20:57] brian423: ok, that did fix my problem with mythvideo, except now I do not have any 3D support
[05:21:06] opello: 0.3.2n :)
[05:21:29] brian423: so is there anything else I can try, because now mythfrontend is kinda slow, not very responsive
[05:21:55] briand: JohnQ: then your real question becomes "is the new(er) PVR-500 (Samsung) fully supported now, with no problems, in ivtv.. and if so, which revision?"
[05:21:57] Anduin: brian423: That is the only workaround I know (no real fix yet)
[05:22:34] briand: JohnQ: ...there were some issues with the Samsung tuner models when they first came out.. not sure if they've been completely resolved.
[05:22:52] briand: or, if so, exactly when...
[05:23:09] Mattwj2005: I am going to upgrade MythTV to 0.20 to see if that helps my problem
[05:23:16] Mattwj2005: anyone do anything fun this weekend so far?
[05:23:20] brian423: so is it a problem w/ mythvideo or ATI?
[05:23:26] briand: JohnQ: chances are, if you were to buy a PVR-500 today, you'd be getting a Samsung tuner model
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[05:23:59] Anduin: brian423: I'm still thinking MythVideo but so far not a single person not using ATI+DRI has reported the issue
[05:24:35] JohnQ: I bought the one I have now less than a month ago...
[05:24:38] brian423: what do you mean? not a single person using ATI+DRI has not had the issue, or there is no bug report?
[05:25:01] Anduin: brian423: I have my old 8500 sitting here waiting until tomorrow to see if I can reproduce it.
[05:25:01] briand: there's no reports from anyone not running the same configuration you were, with DRI enabled.
[05:26:03] brian423: Just as a FYI I'm running Suse 10.1 ATI 8.29.6 Kernel 2.6.16.21
[05:26:08] brian423: packman myth packages
[05:26:09] briand: JohnQ: really? hmm.. through which vendor? online, or local?
[05:26:25] JohnQ: online.. direct from hauppauge
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[05:26:37] brian423: I only experienced the error when I added in the imdb information, the movie posters, director information and such
[05:27:06] Anduin: brian423: Yeah, it crashed in fillGenres/fillCountries which don't do much with no data.
[05:27:50] briand: JohnQ: hmm... really? interesting. I didn't even know they sold direct. I got mine from Amazon (I think) quite a while ago... [shrug] maybe Hauppauge has gone back to the Phillips tuners...
[05:28:35] brian423: ok, I hope you can figure it out, unfortunatuelly I'm no developer
[05:28:50] briand: fortunately, Anduin is...  :)
[05:28:56] brian423: fortunately for us :P
[05:29:37] Anduin: Yeah, unfortunately I though Stanley K. was crazy when he reported it pre 0.20
[05:29:40] Anduin: t
[05:30:07] briand: brian423: well, i don't want him to get a swelled head or anything... but he seems to be pretty sharp. don't tell him i said that.
[05:30:12] briand: ;)
[05:31:01] Anduin: Bah, I'm a plugin maintainer, ranks just above dog catcher.
[05:31:27] briand: and, he's humble, too.  :)
[05:31:31] brian423: lol
[05:31:40] brian423: well nice to meet you Anduin
[05:31:56] JohnQ: I've noticed a lot of strange audio issues since upgrading to 0.20... Audio sync seems to drift.. and the volume seems to fluctuate a lot.. has anyone else seen this behavior?
[05:32:28] briand: I've not (as yet) noticed anything like that on my system, JohnQ
[05:32:50] brian423: well, I've got such crappy cable here (dorm cable sucks....bad) I wouldn't notice :P
[05:32:50] briand: (FC3, Myth 0.20, PVR-350 & PVR-500)
[05:33:30] Anduin: JohnQ: When do you notice the sync problem?
[05:34:56] JohnQ: Its intermitent... sometimes the audio is behind, sometimes it is ahead.. I just notice when lips dont match. My videos are mpeg4 transcoded... and I notice it when watching recorded shows, (I dont watch live tv anymore... )
[05:35:27] briand: JohnQ: does it ever happen on non-transcoded recordings? (if you have any)
[05:35:49] JohnQ: and the volume just kind of goes up and down intermitently... sort of gradually. the two symproms are uncorrelated.
[05:35:58] JohnQ: I dont have any untranscoded at the moment.
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[05:37:35] briand: a good experiment, if/when you have the time, would be to watch an untranscoded recording and see if you note any fluctuations... then, transcode it as usual and watch again
[05:37:52] briand: perhaps the problem is being introduced during the transcoding stage
[05:38:11] JohnQ: Yep. Will do.
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[05:38:41] briand: on my system, I cannot currently play mpeg4 recordings... so I never do any 'real' transcoding...
[05:38:57] briand: ...just occasionally run the "lossless mpeg2 transcode" to snip out commercial breaks
[05:39:52] briand: ...which is, basically, a modified 'copy' routine.... which ignores portions of the input file (the cut list) during the copy
[05:40:12] JohnQ: Yep. I understand it,
[05:41:48] brian423: Does anyone know why the newest gentoo ebuild of mythtv uses the protocol version 31? while my suse backend only understands v30, I had to downgrade my mythbackend so it would work again, it was just strange that everything broke
[05:42:29] briand: the protocol version changed in SVN a few days ago
[05:44:07] Anduin: brian423: good packages are built from the -fixes branch (in which the protocol version was applied)
[05:44:37] brian423: ahh, so hopefully the suse package will be updated soon then :P
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[05:51:37] nandy_: i saw a program guide that instead of putting a small image in the corner just overlayed the guide on top of the current channel in full screen — how do i set that up?
[05:52:16] Dagmar: You download and use whatever other program that was.
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[05:52:30] nandy_: other program?
[05:53:02] Dagmar: nandy_: Yes. Other program, as in "not MythTV"... Unless they've added some things in SVN that slipped past me it wasn't MythTV you were seeing
[05:53:24] briand: it's the OSD guide. while watching LiveTV, hit the menu button, then choose 'Program Guide'
[05:53:32] nandy_: it was mythtv
[05:53:35] nandy_: and an older version
[05:53:44] nandy_: like .17
[05:53:48] nandy_: maybe .14
[05:53:49] Dagmar: briand: Strangely, when I do that, I get the program guide full screen and the current channel in a tiny little window
[05:54:05] Dagmar: You know, the "expect" behaviour.  ;)
[05:54:10] Dagmar: s/expect/expected/;
[05:54:19] nandy_: Dagmar: definately mythtv
[05:54:32] Dagmar: nandy_: Well, you're the only one who knows what you're talking about apparently
[05:54:32] briand: mine has always been "full screen" OSD over the regular tv picture
[05:55:07] JohnQ: what theme?
[05:55:10] nandy_: Dagmar: apparentylu not.
[05:55:22] Dagmar: You mean like this: http://www.mythtv.org/mythimages/epgvideo.png
[05:55:42] nandy_: Dagmar: no the opposite of that
[05:55:57] nandy_: full screen Tv alpha'd behind the PG
[05:56:18] briand: that's what i see, as well..
[05:56:30] Dagmar: Feel free to find a screenshot of whatever it is you're talking about if it's not that
[05:57:16] Dagmar: ..because that's the way the program guide has looked since 0.19 and I've seen no sign anything else is going on with it at the moment
[05:57:44] briand: it might be a setting in mythsetup somewhere... i've had it look like that on my system since i first set up my system (0.18.1)
[05:58:06] Dagmar: Looks like the feature you like went away then
[05:58:24] briand: did it? because it still looks like that for me in 0.20...
[05:58:33] Dagmar: I was referring to nandy there
[05:59:02] Dagmar: I've never seen Myth do what she's talking about, nor have I noted any config item and I've definitely spent a lot of time wandering around those menus, lost as hell
[05:59:42] Dagmar: At some point I will have to dig around and try to find out how to work the editor, if it's still there
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[06:11:39] briand: Dagmar / nandy_ : In Setup:TV Settings:Program Guide in the frontend
[06:12:05] briand: first option on the page, change it to one of the "Alpha" settings
[06:12:08] nandy_: has anyone fixed this BadAccess problem with .20?
[06:12:11] briand: rather than "full screen"
[06:12:27] nandy_: right now my program guide just locks myth :(
[06:12:54] Dagmar: briand: I was under the impression that that just changed the way it drew the PG. None of those options ever made the PG transparent for me
[06:13:13] xris: drunken programming is fun. heh
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[06:17:13] briand: Dagmar: and, i just tried changing mine... it's transparent all the time, even when I pick "solid" hmm.. must be a setting somewhere else....
[06:17:34] Dagmar: Yours is _transparent_ all the time?
[06:17:43] briand: yes
[06:17:59] Dagmar: brian423: Does or does not match the screenshot I pasted?
[06:18:10] briand: does not
[06:18:23] Dagmar: What version of Myth are you using?
[06:18:29] briand: 0.20 SVN
[06:18:35] Dagmar: Weirdness
[06:18:40] Dagmar: Mine has always matched the screnshot
[06:18:40] briand: but, it's been like that since 0.18.1 for me
[06:18:54] briand: I'm sure I probably tweaked something way back then... but don't remember what/where
[06:19:10] nandy_: anyone else in here get this BadAccess error when bringing up the Guide?
[06:20:49] Anduin: nandy_: need a bit more than that
[06:21:01] nandy_: okay sec
[06:21:36] nandy_: X Error: BadAccess (attempt to access private resource denied) 10
[06:21:37] nandy_: Major opcode: 144
[06:21:37] nandy_: Minor opcode: 5
[06:21:37] nandy_: Resource id: 0x2a00009
[06:21:48] nandy_: and then myth locks
[06:23:16] nandy_: starts timing out looking for video buffers
[06:23:58] Anduin: nandy_: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/223221
[06:25:03] JohnQ: brb
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[06:25:50] nandy_: Anduin: yes i read that before
[06:25:58] nandy_: is there a fix in that thread now?
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[06:26:01] nandy_: other than "use gui mode"
[06:26:06] nandy_: b/c gui mode is crap
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[06:29:18] nandy_: JohnQ: from trifocus?
[06:29:24] Dagmar: I've never bothered to tell it to use different resolutions (I'm just outputting to a TV all the time) and I still get the occasional hard crash in the PG
[06:29:44] JohnQ: Yeah.. I used to hang out there.. worked on seq
[06:29:47] Anduin: nandy_: Doesn't look like it.
[06:29:56] nandy_: JohnQ: <-- druppy
[06:30:02] nandy_: JohnQ: ltns man
[06:30:14] nandy_: Anduin: :(
[06:30:15] JohnQ: hehe Heyya. Hows things?
[06:30:21] nandy_: guess where i work now?
[06:30:48] JohnQ: Verant? Sony?
[06:30:50] nandy_: SOE of all places — how crazy is that?
[06:30:53] nandy_: aye
[06:31:04] JohnQ: heh couldja get me unbanned?  ;-)
[06:31:14] nandy_: lol whats your station ID
[06:31:24] nandy_: lemme hop on the vpn sec.
[06:31:48] JohnQ: astromechanic and solarmechanic .. the rest of mine never got banned
[06:32:17] JohnQ: I havent payed them in years though.
[06:33:57] JohnQ: BTW guys... the audio sync/volume issues do *not* occur with un-transcoded video... at least not yet.. and it would have normally happened at least once by now.
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[06:35:19] Nandy__: wow those accounts arent even soul marked
[06:35:33] JohnQ: soul marked?
[06:35:52] JohnQ: Is that a new(er) thing? I was banned a *LONG* time ago.
[06:36:01] Nandy__: probably yah
[06:36:12] JohnQ: how about lunarmechanic? it was never banned...
[06:36:32] JohnQ: what is a soul mark?
[06:36:38] Nandy__: never soul marked
[06:36:46] Nandy__: at least not in EQ2/EQ
[06:36:55] JohnQ: Never played EQ2... only EQ
[06:37:06] Nandy__: yah im a coder on eq2 now
[06:37:21] Nandy__: but really all i want is for my program guide to stop boning up
[06:37:35] JohnQ: isnt that a place where you get reborn when you die or something?
[06:38:30] JohnQ: I dont suppose it says why I was banned, does it? They never gave me an official reason.
[06:38:36] Nandy__: nope
[06:38:43] Nandy__: it would be in your soulmarks if you had any
[06:38:56] JohnQ: OH! I remember those now..
[06:39:13] JohnQ: wow.. I was cheating like a MAD man.. I'm surprised nobody made a note.
[06:39:30] Nandy__: i bet there are like 89 people in here who have no idea / dont care at all about what we are talking about
[06:39:42] JohnQ: hehe ah... the memories.
[06:39:51] Anduin: I bet the Q is for quest
[06:40:10] JohnQ: Indeed ;-)
[06:40:24] Nandy__: Anduin: this EPG thing is making me cry i cant really use mythtv until its sorted out :(
[06:40:31] Nandy__: wonder if i drop back to 0.19
[06:40:57] JohnQ: A few weeks before I got banned I went on a GM-hunting spree.. killed about 20.. one guy about 5 times.
[06:41:02] Anduin: Nandy__: Is it only when you switch from live TV?
[06:41:23] Nandy__: Anduin: Watch TV -> Program Guide
[06:41:27] Nandy__: and thats all she wrote
[06:41:51] Dagmar: nandy_: You're a coder for EQ2? I'm sorry
[06:42:08] Dagmar: JohnQ: I went on a player killing spree when I quit.
[06:42:18] Nandy__: Dagmar: sorry why?
[06:42:18] Dagmar: JohnQ: On a blue server.
[06:42:27] Dagmar: nandy_: Because your career is dead.
[06:42:37] Nandy__: Dagmar: lol
[06:42:42] Nandy__: if only
[06:42:43] JohnQ: I was on a regular server... and was killing the gms.. it was soooooo fulfilling.
[06:42:55] Anduin: Nandy__: Yeah, I land in that "only watch live TV when debugging something" camp
[06:43:08] Dagmar: JohnQ: Get with a friend and toss them from the Walk of Heroes. That's fun.  ;)
[06:43:10] Nandy__: Anduin: i havent recorded anything yet
[06:43:22] Dagmar: JohnQ: Even when they're invuln, falling damage would get them.  :)
[06:43:45] Nandy__: Dagmar: funny my paychecks, royalties and insessant recruter calls say differently
[06:43:55] Anduin: Nandy__: It locks 100% or sometimes (like in the thread)?
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[06:44:03] Dagmar: nandy_: The neverending list of bugs and things which were never completed in the game tell me otherwise
[06:44:05] JohnQ: I was dropping gms from the sky in the middle of west commons... right at the druid rings... had a heap of gm bodies. I have some screenshots somewhere.
[06:44:09] Mariox: hi all
[06:44:22] Nandy__: Anduin: sometimes it totally locks the video other times itll still play tv but if i try to go back to the main menu it locks hard
[06:44:34] JohnQ: Nandy_: Bans like mine are permanent, arent they?
[06:44:40] Nandy__: Dagmar: welcome to MMOs
[06:44:49] Mariox: just i problem for me
[06:44:50] Nandy__: JohnQ: probably a CC ban or more
[06:44:56] JohnQ: CC?
[06:45:00] Dagmar: nandy_: Strangely, even Turbine has been better about fixing things than SOE
[06:45:14] Dagmar: JohnQ: Ban on your credit card number. Ineffective.
[06:45:22] JohnQ: nah... they never banned my other accounts.. which were on the same card.
[06:45:36] Dagmar: JohnQ: Then by now they probably have no idea it happened
[06:46:07] Mariox: with the last release 0.20 of mythtv when start mythfrontend e mythtvsetup doesn't show the text of menu only the logo of each item
[06:46:25] JohnQ: yeah.. but Ive tried complaining to them every fewy years... and they never even respond. heh
[06:46:31] Nandy__: Dagmar: clearly you know all
[06:46:44] Dagmar: JohnQ: That would be assuming someone over there actually cares about customers. Try calling them on the phone
[06:47:02] JohnQ: I did.. never got anywhere.. which is not surprising.
[06:47:16] Nandy__: JohnQ: how much did you make off eq1??
[06:47:17] JohnQ: I mean... if *anyone* deserved a lifetime ban, it was me.
[06:47:25] JohnQ: A shitload.
[06:47:29] Nandy__: exactly
[06:47:31] Nandy__: ;)
[06:47:31] Dagmar: nandy_: I played EQ1 from beta until about 1999 or so when I couldn't take the nerfing anymore. Picked up EQ2 about nine months before they "rebuilt" the combat system
[06:47:42] JohnQ: like 120k
[06:47:51] JohnQ: bought two cars with it.
[06:47:54] Dagmar: I think I saw three bugs actually get fixed that whole time in EQ2
[06:47:59] Nandy__: JohnQ: you are the poster child for lifetime bans sir
[06:48:01] Mariox: some know about this problem?
[06:48:09] Nandy__: Dagmar: uh huh
[06:48:13] JohnQ: Yeah, Im not surprised.. I just miss my chars.
[06:48:22] Nandy__: i got my guy back this week
[06:48:26] Nandy__: starting up some eq1 again
[06:48:36] Dagmar: nandy_: Jibber all you like.. The release notes say otherwise. Nothing of any significance was ever getting fixed. Broken quests stayed broken.
[06:48:49] Nandy__: uh huh
[06:48:54] JohnQ: I wonder if there is anything I could do to get em back... like who I'd have to beg.
[06:49:09] Nandy__: you could ask the producer
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[06:49:13] Nandy__: i suppose
[06:49:13] JohnQ: Dagmar: things got fixed all the time..
[06:49:30] Nandy__: JohnQ: iwish that 30k mac still worked
[06:49:33] Nandy__: im poor as hell now :P
[06:49:48] JohnQ: I should know.. they were constantly patching the exploits I was using.
[06:49:52] Dagmar: JohnQ: Nothing of significance tho.
[06:50:29] Dagmar: Frankly, most players don't give a huge damn about people exploiting when they're trying to complete quests that are incompletable, or use items that don't do what they're supposed to
[06:50:51] JohnQ: ... they should.
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[06:50:56] Dagmar: ...or running from monsters that can see and track you through walls halfway across a dungeon
[06:51:14] Dagmar: Mobs that warp and blink around because their pathing is so foobar you might as well be fighting in a giant cuisinart
[06:51:14] Nandy__: JohnQ: dag is in his world trying to tell him something he doesnt already believe is fruitless my friend
[06:51:15] hjohnson: wow..
[06:51:16] JohnQ: hehe that was the best part...
[06:51:23] hjohnson: skypeout is far cheaper than telco
[06:51:35] Dagmar: I suppose this explains why no one's playing EQ or EQ2 anymore.
[06:51:49] Dagmar: If the devs were convinced the players were just making up the bug reports, then of course they'd never fix anything..
[06:51:50] Nandy__: except all those people still playing
[06:51:51] JohnQ: I loved it when the puller would just suddenly have a mob fall from the sky on him... 5 minutes after his last pull. It was the best.
[06:51:54] Dagmar: ALl what, 10,000?
[06:52:05] Nandy__: lol yah right
[06:52:12] Nandy__: soe couldnt survive on that few subs
[06:52:13] Dagmar: Chinese gold farmers don't even count
[06:52:29] Dagmar: SOE couldn't, but Sony could sure prop them up just to keep a hand in
[06:52:34] Nandy__: we ban like 700 accounts a week and still have net gain
[06:52:43] JohnQ: hah
[06:52:48] Nandy__: SPE or SCEA?
[06:53:01] Dagmar: Here's some reality for you: http://mmogchart.com/Chart7.html
[06:53:05] JohnQ: does MacroQuest still work? They still developing it?
[06:53:09] Dagmar: This is what happens when a company patches bugs.
[06:53:17] Nandy__: Dagmar: yah if you think thats reality... wow...
[06:53:26] Nandy__: JohnQ: yup
[06:53:41] JohnQ: awesome
[06:54:01] Nandy__: i was just up in LA
[06:54:06] JohnQ: the reason I got banned was that the gm-detector failed ;-)
[06:54:07] Nandy__: hanging out with the guy that wrote genbot acutally
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[06:54:41] Nandy__: did you ever use that?
[06:54:41] Dagmar: Yeah, I kinda think that Blizzard managing to sustain over five million players kinda blows you guys right out of the water
[06:54:45] JohnQ: my GF was really sad when her character got banned... she still brings it up.
[06:54:51] JohnQ: nah.. I had my own tools..
[06:55:04] Nandy__: Dagmar: not exactly but you arent going to beleive me anyway so why bother
[06:55:13] Dagmar: Hey, I saw the game
[06:55:18] Dagmar: I saw what the devs did to it.
[06:55:42] Dagmar: Without breaking into the accounting department and pillaging the customer records I can't really get much more detail
[06:56:01] Nandy__: i dont even think you know how blizzards asian biliing system works do you?
[06:56:16] Dagmar: I saw that it all basically got wrecked after Verant sold out, EQ2 was even worse, and everything else is broke
[06:56:30] Dagmar: Nandy__: I actually *see* boatloads of people playing WoW.
[06:56:32] Nandy__: verant sold out to whom?
[06:56:43] Dagmar: In EQ2 it was mainly me running around the woods by myself
[06:56:45] Nandy__: Dagmar: no one disputes lots of people play wow.
[06:57:03] JohnQ: Honestly, getting banned was the best thing that ever happened to me. They had just patched most of my money making methods.. and once I got banned, my productivity at work skyrocketted.
[06:57:10] Nandy__: but the numbers you quote have large *'s by them
[06:58:06] Nandy__: yah i know whatyou mean
[06:58:07] Dagmar: Let me put this another way...
[06:58:22] Nandy__: i spent my last few months only logging in to work on seq stuff
[06:58:33] JohnQ: yep ;-)
[06:58:38] Dagmar: When the pinnacle of gameplay is supposed to be one guy standing in front while a dozen healers chain heal him, and everyone else is basically a cheerleader, yer game is shite.
[06:59:03] Nandy__: Dagmar: eq2 doesnt work that way and if you think it does you are doing something very wrong
[06:59:15] Dagmar: It sure as hell worked that way during the guild raids I went on
[06:59:15] JohnQ: Dagmar.. geez man.. we get the point.. you dont like eq or eq2.. thats fine.. relax man.
[06:59:30] Nandy__: JohnQ: lol
[06:59:38] Dagmar: It was back to the old nonsense, one main tank, clerics casting heals on him non-stop, and everyone else firing off whatever after waiting so they don't get aggro
[07:00:10] Nandy__: JohnQ: mq has an irc server and active devs acutaully
[07:00:16] Nandy__: JohnQ: its called mq2 now though
[07:00:41] JohnQ: I wonder if my old tricks would still work....
[07:01:00] Nandy__: probably when i looked at mq2 its pretty much the same old stuff
[07:01:20] JohnQ: Im amazed they havent patched some of those holes.
[07:01:28] Nandy__: eh
[07:01:39] Nandy__: you know how it is
[07:01:55] JohnQ: I used to be able to cross the whole planet in only zoning times.. it was sjch a timesaver.
[07:01:57] Nandy__: sometimes its easier to log / ban than change huge mechanics
[07:02:05] JohnQ: true
[07:02:07] Dagmar: Dude did you ever even actually play the game or just spend all your time exploiting it?
[07:02:19] Nandy__: we never played much dag
[07:02:24] JohnQ: I played for about a year.. then exploited it for about 3...
[07:02:25] Nandy__: we ripped it apart.
[07:02:27] Dagmar: That explains a lot.
[07:02:42] Nandy__: playing mmos is so... common
[07:02:44] Nandy__: :P
[07:03:01] Dagmar: I did plenty of exploiting, I was just rather circumspect about it so I never got *caught*
[07:03:11] JohnQ: Id probably play again occasionally if it werent for the ban...
[07:03:24] Nandy__: i never got banned either
[07:03:30] Dagmar: But if you never played the thing much it would explain how you can not be aware of the serious issues that were going on
[07:03:31] JohnQ: Dagmar: I only got caught when I started being BLATANT.
[07:03:35] Nandy__: and i had 4 boxes running 30kpp/hr macros on them 24/
[07:03:36] Nandy__: 7
[07:03:50] JohnQ: hehe I had 8 going... little cuppachino machines..
[07:04:01] Nandy__: JohnQ: i was talking with lasher
[07:04:10] Nandy__: we wanna set up a macro group using mac mini;s
[07:04:23] JohnQ: I managed to poke some code to disable the video... sped up the macros like 5x ..
[07:04:29] Nandy__: oh dude
[07:04:32] Nandy__: it's so bad
[07:04:34] Nandy__: on eq2
[07:04:47] Nandy__: some guy reverse engineered a whole client
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[07:04:59] Nandy__: and built basically a text based eq2
[07:05:01] Dagmar: That isnt' all that tricky
[07:05:01] JohnQ: thats great ;-)
[07:05:22] Nandy__: Dagmar: less talk more results
[07:05:33] Dagmar: I couldn't wait around for someone to come up with ShowEQ for EQ2. It took all of three days to figure out how to intercept the data packets
[07:06:10] Nandy__: with a 3rd machine or off the client machine?
[07:06:21] Dagmar: On the client
[07:06:40] Nandy__: thats exactly what everspy2 did
[07:06:55] Nandy__: and its been around a long time
[07:07:12] Nandy__: JohnQ: you know what would be cool?
[07:07:26] JohnQ: Me being unbanned and unleashed on the unsuspecting populace again?
[07:07:32] Nandy__: that too
[07:07:41] Nandy__: but also if my program guide didnt lock mythtv
[07:07:53] Dagmar: JohnQ: just go buy a couple of prepaid cards
[07:07:58] JohnQ: Wish I could help...
[07:08:09] Nandy__: whats the yum-ism to downgrade to 0.19?
[07:08:34] JohnQ: Honestly, I'd just try removing some of the settings from the settings table manually.. (back it up first)
[07:08:49] JohnQ: anything that is about the EPG...
[07:08:52] Nandy__: ive been fiddling it all night
[07:08:52] JohnQ: see if that helps
[07:09:14] Nandy__: thre is a thread about this problem with .20 on the forums
[07:09:25] JohnQ: no joy there?
[07:09:25] Nandy__: no real soln yet except to put tv mode into gui offset mode
[07:09:35] Nandy__: which makes my tv off center and small
[07:09:54] Nandy__: guess i could use svideo and not have that issue.
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[07:10:26] Nandy__: bbl
[07:10:29] JohnQ: just for kicks.. dump the entire db... drop it.. and rebuild a clean one.
[07:10:52] JohnQ: if that fixes it... its just a matter of identifying what part of what table is bad
[07:12:47] Dagmar: There *are* functions to make mysql check the tables out for you, you know.
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[07:13:48] JohnQ: Im not saying that the tables are corrupt.. just that it might contain some setting making it crash
[07:14:29] JohnQ: Nandy__: is your video and gui resolution the same?
[07:14:56] Nandy__: JohnQ: yah but the overscan throws it all outta whack
[07:15:45] Nandy__: JohnQ: not a bad idea
[07:16:12] JohnQ: I saw a note about that being an issue in 0.20
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[07:17:26] Nandy__: overscan?
[07:17:37] JohnQ: no.. differing resolutions
[07:18:10] JohnQ: but seriously... dump the settings table .. then "delete from settings" and see if it works then,
[07:18:11] Nandy__: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/223221
[07:18:18] Nandy__: this thread pretty much sums up my problem
[07:18:38] JohnQ: hehe I was just reading that..
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[07:23:58] JohnQ: Let me know if dropping the settings table helps..
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[07:52:52] HeMan: Hi! I just configured OpenGL on my machine and works well with the fading menues, but mythgallery shows the pictures partly outside the screen
[07:54:02] HeMan: I only see the rightmost part of the picture and it's on the very left side of the screen
[07:54:22] HeMan: Any ideas what this could be?
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[08:14:08] Mattwj2005: hey everyone :)
[08:25:04] Mattwj2005: I am having problems getting my pvr-150 MCE working....anyone have any ideas?
[08:25:15] Dagmar: Check your syslog
[08:25:19] Dagmar: I'm sure it's probably saying something about it
[08:29:05] mcD_ho: My problem is ... "Found channels: but is doesn't exisit tsid"
[08:30:28] mcD_ho: channels has been found with another program (like scan ...) but that "error" is in Mythtv->channels setup
[08:31:20] Mattwj2005: do I add it as a V4L device or the other one
[08:31:20] mcD_ho: sorry ... "it doesn't macth existing tsid"
[08:35:04] Dagmar: Mattwj2005: You add it as a PVR-xxx card. There's a special entry in Mythtv-setup *just* for the cards that use ivtv
[08:35:26] Dagmar: Mattwj2005: You *did* compile your MythtV with ivtv support, right?
[08:35:46] Mattwj2005: let me check
[08:37:21] Mattwj2005: yeah it has the support
[08:37:43] Mattwj2005: I am using ivtv 0.70 not 0.71 but it should support it
[08:38:08] Mattwj2005: it is reconizing the card I am just not picking up any channels
[08:40:59] KaZeR: anyone knows what's causing hundreds of "QDateTime::fromString: Parameter out of range" in my logs?
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[08:45:06] Mattwj2005: is there a conflict between pchdtv-5500 and pvr-150?
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[08:47:38] Dagmar: Mattwj2005: You have to run mythtv-setup and tell it there's a new pvr-150 in the machine, and then tell it where to get the channel data from (zap2it)
[08:48:07] Dagmar: Anything you've told it about the HD card won't have any bearing on what's going on with the analog card
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[08:50:47] Mattwj2005: okay
[08:53:42] Mattwj2005: do I need my backend running?
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[08:57:21] Dagmar: No
[08:58:00] Mattwj2005: didn't think so....I thought I would ask :)
[09:00:23] Mattwj2005: I can't believe it but my HDTV card is easier to work with
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[09:11:21] Mattwj2005: just for fun I am going to try it without my HDTV tuner
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[09:16:02] Mattwj2005: do you need an audio cable to the sound card?
[09:16:19] Mattwj2005: it encodes to MPEG I shouldn't need it I won't think
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[09:18:03] Juski: Mattwj2005: no you don't need any audio cable going from the pvr150 into your sound card
[09:18:37] Mattwj2005: this doesn't make any sense then
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[09:27:56] ** Juski checks out 0.20-fixes **
[09:31:43] Juski: argghhh stupid ubuntu
[09:31:53] Hoxzer: <3 ubuntu
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[09:33:03] Mattwj2005: any idea what this means?
[09:33:04] Mattwj2005: Sep 30 04:30:38 mythtv kernel: tuner 1–0061: tuner type not set
[09:33:42] Juski: I'm back to if I do ivtvctl -a, I get the error 'not an ivtv device'
[09:34:31] Juski: last weekend, when I found that I had the error I changed the modprobe alias to make the ivtvcard /dev/video2, which is correct
[09:34:45] Juski: now with the same file it's screwed again
[09:42:48] Juski: time to head into #v4l or #linuxtv then
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[09:47:21] Laney: What is the best way to solve "permission denied" errors when accessing my DVBs?
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[09:52:57] Juski: Laney: make the user you're trying that as, part of the video group IIRC
[09:53:09] Laney: Even if they're owned by root.root?
[09:53:38] Juski: maybe something else (like mythbackend) is already using them
[09:53:58] Laney: I'm trying to run mythbackend as its own user, so I guess that's the problem
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[09:56:27] LabMonkey: ok I'm sad
[09:56:37] LabMonkey: nobody knows what happened to Shakespear :(
[09:56:56] LabMonkey: erm
[09:57:01] LabMonkey: Shakespere? somethign
[09:57:14] Laney: peer if you're talking about the mac dc++ client
[09:58:45] LabMonkey: I'm talking about the meerkat
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[10:29:51] ** Juski has virtual functions but non-virtual destructor **
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[10:38:58] Dagmar: Damn
[10:39:07] Dagmar: Just when you thought it was safe to go back into CVS
[10:39:16] Dagmar: faac/faad2 have found a whole new way of making my life hell
[10:40:14] Hoxzer: listen Various artists – don't worry be happy
[10:44:01] Dagmar: If anyone knows the recommended way (or even an ill-advised way) of getting libmp4ff.so.0 back I'd be interested in hearing it
[10:45:20] Dagmar: Nevermind, I think I got it
[10:45:24] Dagmar: (*yay*)
[10:45:49] hads: apt-get install libfaad2–0
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[10:50:44] Dagmar: No.
[10:53:27] hads: Okay.
[10:53:36] Dagmar: I'm talking about when _compiling_
[10:53:47] Dagmar: Now i gotta get the headers to come back
[10:54:02] hads: Compiling libfaad?
[10:54:36] Dagmar: Yep
[10:54:45] Dagmar: faad2 2.5 and faac 1.25 have come out
[10:55:02] hads: I see, I wasn't really paying attention ;)
[10:55:03] Dagmar: ...and there's a change between them I very much appreciate, that libmp4v2 is now in faac and NOT faad2 so there's no more confusion about it
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[11:01:00] PaulWay: Hi all!
[11:02:28] Hoxzer: .hmm
[11:08:19] Juski: ooo apt-get build-dep mythtv must set the build variables up properly
[11:09:18] ** Juski may be used uninitialized in this function **
[11:09:22] PaulWay: I'm having a really strange problem with MythTV on one front end and I'd really appreciate some help.
[11:09:38] Juski: screw appreciating some help, just ask dammit :)
[11:09:59] Juski: though appreciation is always nice
[11:09:59] PaulWay: Basically, you watch one show fine; you watch the second show, and when you quit it goes back to watching the first show.
[11:10:16] Juski: playlist set up?
[11:10:26] PaulWay: From then, it cycles through the two shows until you kill the front end.
[11:10:32] PaulWay: Hmmm. How would I check the playlist?
[11:10:39] PaulWay: I don't think I've ever set one up.
[11:11:02] PaulWay: And it changes every time I run it – it's always the first show you watched with that instance of the front end.
[11:11:05] Juski: I don't think it'd save playlists when you quit out of the 'watch recordings' screen either
[11:11:17] PaulWay: Neither do I.
[11:11:17] Juski: so it's not playlists
[11:11:23] Juski: weird!
[11:11:42] PaulWay: I've run it in full debug mode and I've narrowed it down to about a dozen lines.
[11:12:01] PaulWay: It basically goes from WatchRecording to None, and then back to WatchRecording almost immediately.
[11:12:03] Dagmar: I really think the faad maintainers design their package as some sort of deranged competency test
[11:12:30] Juski: like gentoo, you mean?
[11:14:05] Dagmar: Actually, Gentoo just requires you get patches from someone else usually
[11:14:08] Dagmar: You don't have to make them yourself
[11:14:15] PaulWay: I've got the complete log at http://tangram.dnsalias.net/~paulway/mythfe_debug_full_2.log, and the excerpt that I think is relevant is at http://tangram.dnsalias.net/~paulway/mythfe_debug_full_ex.log
[11:14:23] Dagmar: I'm working on the third patch now so that this won't break anything with mythmusic
[11:16:31] Honk^gone: mhh.. how do i stream sound over the network? =)
[11:16:50] PaulWay: My partner will go insane and kill me soon if I don't fix it.
[11:17:21] Juski: arghhhh
[11:17:41] Juski: mythplugins has failed to build, presumably because I didn't enable xvmc when I built mythtv
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[11:18:07] Dagmar: I'm going to need a fourth patch probably too
[11:18:20] Dagmar: neaacdec.h (whatever the hell that is) is definitely needed by faad.h
[11:18:44] Dagmar: AHA I think that last bit got it tho
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[11:21:12] PaulWay: What are you working on, Dagmar?
[11:22:17] Dagmar: PaulWay: Getting new @#$@$ packages of faac and faad2 built
[11:22:43] Dagmar: This was at least less painful than faad 2.0. I had to use I think seven or eight patches to make that one workable
[11:23:09] PaulWay: Keep up the good work, then!
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[11:26:22] enyc: scopeuk: meepmeep ;-)
[11:26:51] scopeuk: meepmeep
[11:27:19] ** enyc thinks... shef.ac.uk ... coo **
[11:28:02] ** enyc excepts scopeuk got lots of learning to do ;-) ... loads of essays to write... lol **
[11:28:03] scopeuk: yeh i gotta get ruindto clocking htat
[11:28:10] scopeuk: yeh im guessing so
[11:28:21] scopeuk: apparently evey oneelse has 7 -10 hours of lectures a week
[11:28:24] scopeuk: my course has 18
[11:28:40] scopeuk: and technically im spose to be doing 40 hours outiside of class too
[11:28:45] scopeuk: although it isent gonan happen
[11:28:49] enyc: lol
[11:29:08] enyc: add up all the hours and find that you will be doing more than is possible if no time was anything else... lol
[11:29:18] scopeuk: i have to take 5 hous of maths lectures a week the gy acctually doing maths in the next room only has 7
[11:29:30] scopeuk: enyc bassically yes
[11:29:39] enyc: scopeuk: o well ;-)
[11:30:02] enyc: scopeuk: i remember workexperience placement at bath.ac.uk
[11:30:29] scopeuk: co0l
[11:31:58] enyc: nm have phun ;-)
[11:32:10] scopeuk: i shall try
[11:32:25] scopeuk: unfurtunately i gotta go fodo shoppping this morning as otherwise ill starve to death
[11:32:30] ** enyc trying to vwork out what needs sorting out on computers in USA that are moving ;-) **
[11:32:40] enyc: aaaah the phun of ebing oa student q-)
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[11:44:47] Juski: dammit mythtv still doesn't compile on umbongo with xvmc enabled! grrr
[11:44:58] fryfrog: wtf is umbongo?
[11:45:03] fryfrog: ubuntu's crazy brother?
[11:45:14] Juski: umbongo == ubuntu
[11:45:19] Juski: it's my pet name for it
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[11:46:01] Sebulba02: I thought there were already 0.20 debs for ubuntu?
[11:46:17] Juski: I wouldn't trust some of them as far as I could throw them
[11:46:49] Juski: the debs themselves are probably fine within the confines of the software – I hate what the installer scripts do
[11:46:52] nero: Juski, thrown right, debs can fly pretty far.. :/
[11:47:37] Sebulba02: ah
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[11:48:01] nero: anyone know if the internal dvd player supports DolbyDigital/DTS passthrough?
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[11:48:58] mcD_ho: can anyone give me an shotgun or AK-47 ..
[11:49:16] ivor: crossbow?
[11:49:51] mcD_ho: well .. yeah .. if there is an explosive head in that arrow
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[11:50:33] mcD_ho: or 10 kg TNT might do the same job
[11:50:36] ** Sebulba02 takes his cerebral bore out of his pocket and loans it to mcD_ho **
[11:51:03] mcD_ho: thnx
[11:51:10] Juski: that configure should do the trick
[11:51:15] ** Juski crosses his fingers **
[11:51:23] Juski: nope
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[11:54:33] ** Juski gives up **
[11:55:51] fryfrog: I finally got my 2x air2pc cards working, and figured out what was wrong with my pvr250
[11:56:05] fryfrog: for some stupid reason, "composite 3" is the port on the back of the card
[11:56:51] fryfrog: now I just need to go give back my HD DVR from comcast and get either 2 HD boxes from them or 2 SD, depending on how much money i wanna save :/
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[12:12:26] janneg: Juski: Do you have an idea why mythfrontend uses Poject Grayham twice as much memory than with Poject Grayham wide (version 1.8 and 1.4)
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[12:13:31] Juski: janneg: erm... I don't, but having thought about it for a sec, it might be that I left jpg files in the watermarks directory
[12:14:43] janneg: no jpegs in watermarks
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[12:15:01] Juski: in that case.. no idea
[12:15:25] janneg: maybe some incompatibility with 0.20?
[12:16:33] Juski: should be compatible... the only thing that won't work is mythgallery AFAIK
[12:17:01] Juski: in any case – you could try PG 2.0 in www.juski.co.uk/pg/tarballs
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[12:17:29] janneg: the memory footprint various wildly with the activated theme. from 51M to 343M
[12:18:32] Juski: yoiks
[12:18:41] janneg: I'm on svn trunk and the menu occasionally disappear
[12:18:48] Tommck: I just looked under "manage Recordings -> Upcoming recordings" and it tells me "You haven't scheduled any programs to be recorded"... I have tons of them... what's the deal?
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[12:18:56] Juski: no base.xml.. I never claimed the theme is .20 compatible
[12:19:09] janneg: in 1600x1200: Iulius: 51M, blue: 81M, minimalist-wide: 98M, mythcenter: 120M, mythcenter-wide: 135M, Retro und GANT: 215M, Titivillus: 260M
[12:19:10] Juski: Tommck: check for / being full
[12:19:24] Juski: janneg: just do what I'm gonna do then.. dump the theme
[12:19:44] Tommck: Juski – ok
[12:20:14] janneg: Projekt Grayhem 1.8: 343M, Project Grayhem wide 1.4: 173M
[12:20:42] Tommck: Juski – /dev/hda1 3842376 2506800 1140388 69% /
[12:21:00] Tommck: and... I noticed an error from a SQL call in the backend log...
[12:21:00] Juski: Tommck: run mysql check on the mythconverg db then
[12:21:05] janneg: Juski: yeah, I was just testing the memory consumption of each theme
[12:21:14] Juski: argghhh fuckinig ubuntu!!!!!!!!!!!
[12:21:15] Tommck: but I cut and pasted the same SQL into phpmyadmin and it works fine
[12:21:26] Tommck: Juski – what happened?
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[12:24:19] Tommck: Juski – no problems with mysqlcheck
[12:27:20] Tommck: Juski – looks like I had "unable to connect" errors with the database and stuff... I just restarted the mythbackend and it seems to be working... strange
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[12:33:15] mcD_ho: So ... I didn't (darn) find any TNT .. so I must find some other ways to get rid of that annoying error-msg .. (Channels found, but it doesn't match existing tsid)
[12:36:36] Juski: so janneg no idea why that crappy theme is hogging so much memory, but it's definitely no longer supported. if anyone wants to pick up the baton, feel free
[12:37:07] D-side: Juski: uh oh. whats wrong with ubuntu now?
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[12:37:37] Juski: D-side: just me, tried to configure with xvmc enabled, failed to compile, did reconfigure without doing make distclean
[12:38:09] D-side: okay then. :)
[12:38:46] D-side: after extensive testing last night, I decided I was happy with the nuvexport output of ipod video files.
[12:39:06] D-side: only 30min to transcode a 45min program.
[12:39:29] D-side: thus i created cutlists for five shows and nuvexported as I slept. :)
[12:41:28] Juski: don't get me wrong I still dislike ubuntu, just not as much as I dislike gentoo :)
[12:41:38] Tommck: can someone tell me what this means: "ChannelBase: Could not find input: S-Video on card when setting channel 54"
[12:41:40] Dagmar: heh
[12:42:11] Juski: Tommck: means it couldn't find the input connection the video source for that channel is assigned to
[12:42:35] Tommck: Juski – can you translate that for me?
[12:43:10] Juski: your database is fucked
[12:43:16] Tommck: nice
[12:43:42] Juski: stop mythbackend and run mythtv-setup to make sure everything is as it should be
[12:43:53] Tommck: I just did that again.
[12:44:02] Tommck: I'm going to take a peek at the DB to see what's going on
[12:46:27] Tommck: Juski – I had extra records in the capturecard table
[12:47:34] Juski: and the card inputs there didn't have video sources attached to them (epg sources) or input connections bound to the video sources (EPG sources)
[12:47:41] Tommck: right
[12:47:47] Juski: ding ding. won't ask HTF that happened
[12:47:53] Tommck: they seemed like stray records
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[12:48:22] Tommck: so, I just deleted them and I'm re-running mythfilldatabase --refresh-today just in case... then I'm going to cross my fingers... sacrifice a chicken... and hope it works
[12:50:46] ** Juski wishes he could delete every single last one of the armchair expert mythtv blog entries **
[12:52:23] D-side: oh no
[12:52:29] D-side: is that where this is all stemming from?
[12:53:36] Juski: all what?
[12:53:55] Juski: the right place for any documentation is on the project's wiki
[12:54:17] Juski: not scatterred to the outer reaches of the interweb
[12:56:43] D-side: i figured maybe you found so bad advice.
[12:57:24] Juski: nah I'm just installing mythtv & migrating to ubuntu on a day when I'd rather be doing something else but don't have any other chance to do this
[12:59:40] D-side: i had similar plans for the day but gave up on them
[12:59:41] D-side: heh
[13:01:18] Paladine: nero you awake?
[13:02:03] Juski: gah!
[13:02:59] Juski: http://pastebin.ca/186766
[13:03:21] Juski: I didn't enable xvmc dammit!
[13:04:04] Juski: is there a way to install packages without having the stupid installer script run?
[13:04:34] Juski: i.e. the fucktard "create mythtv user and create the database user" script?
[13:04:50] Sebulba02: you can't just cancel out of it?
[13:05:10] Paladine: ubuntu package per chance?
[13:05:17] Juski: there might be some undocumented option to do that
[13:05:22] Juski: Paladine: yup
[13:05:35] Paladine: my best advice would be (go on have a guess...)
[13:05:44] Sebulba02: use a real OS?
[13:05:45] Juski: compiling from source isn't working, though it mysteriously worked before
[13:05:52] Paladine: build from source
[13:05:57] Sebulba02: ah
[13:05:58] Juski: DUH!
[13:06:01] Paladine: in my experience the ubuntu packageis a piece of shit
[13:06:14] Juski: it is in my experience too
[13:07:23] D-side: which repo?
[13:07:43] D-side: i presume there's many for 0.20 by now
[13:07:46] Juski: erm.. all of them try to make the mythtv user & create the database stuff
[13:07:54] D-side: oh, right.
[13:07:57] Juski: the 2 I've tried do anyway
[13:08:13] D-side: i found that helpful actually, since I was completely starting from scratch
[13:08:31] Juski: I'm starting from scratch & I find it over-bearing
[13:08:38] nero: Paladine, I am now..
[13:08:43] Sebulba02: Juski: why not do a plain download of the packages and repackage the one executing the script without it?
[13:08:58] Paladine: Juski, did you sudo apt-get build-dep mythtv mythplugins myththemes before trying to build from source?
[13:08:59] Sebulba02: I know with debian you can do that.
[13:09:06] Juski: I have a better idea. I'm putting the old HDD in & sticking with 0.19 til kingdom come
[13:09:08] Paladine: nero, did you use latex for your thesis?
[13:09:20] Juski: Paladine: yes I did
[13:09:32] D-side: Juski: i wish i could do that.
[13:09:32] nero: Paladine, Yup! :)
[13:09:32] ** Tommck does his MythTV-is-working-again dance **
[13:09:36] D-side: i'm a whore for New Stuff
[13:09:52] Juski: D-side: but I want DVB radio...
[13:09:53] Paladine: nero, I just been playing with latex today for the first time ever, to build my dissertation plan
[13:09:56] Paladine: it rocks :)
[13:10:09] D-side: Juski: Oh. that stinks then.
[13:10:09] ** Tommck wonders if that's liquid latext **
[13:10:12] Tommck: latex*
[13:10:24] nero: Paladine, that it does.. it s an amazing typesetting tool.. but do yourself a favor and get a book..
[13:10:41] Juski: I checked out 0.20-fixes, configured with dvb, ran qmake, make, make install... all worked
[13:10:43] Paladine: I read the entire wiki-book lastnight
[13:10:44] nero: otherwise, you will be smacking your head into a wall for long periods of time.. ;)
[13:10:54] Paladine: hehehe
[13:11:01] Paladine: it seems quite straight forward actually
[13:11:02] nero: Paladine, trust me- get yourself a hard copy book..
[13:11:07] Tommck: Juski – thanks for pointing me in the right direction... deleted those extra records... then fixed one more thing in mythtv-setup... and it's all working now
[13:11:14] Juski: then tried to rebuild this time using --enable-xvmc, which failed several times. then did make distclean, re-ran configure, qmake & make.. now it doesn't fucking work
[13:11:16] Paladine: specially since my uni use the harvard method
[13:11:29] Paladine: which has a prebuilt package for latex :)
[13:11:34] nero: Paladine, just wait until you start neededing to place figures on specific pages, etc.. for many things it is wonderful- for some seemingly simple things it can be a real headache.
[13:11:40] ** Tommck must go.. . **
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[13:11:57] nero: Paladine, nice.. I had to make my own style file, etc.. but, as you saw, it did quite a good job at typesetting.
[13:12:04] Paladine: nero, the float system seemed quite intuitive
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[13:12:37] nero: Paladine, yeah, until you need to tell it where YOU want the figure, not where LaTeX wants to put it.. ;)
[13:12:40] Paladine: nero,yeah I haven't had a chance to get very far in yours yet but it looks nice
[13:12:45] Paladine: thats why I checked out latex
[13:12:52] Paladine: I assumed that was what you had used :)
[13:13:07] D-side: so much for the half-hour transcodes being perfect for the ipod.
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[13:13:38] nero: btw: if you decide to get a book, here is one I'd recommend: http://www.amazon.com/Guide-LaTeX-4th-Helmut- . . . &s=books
[13:13:49] Paladine: nero, I am never opening a word processor again unless it is to read someone else's file hehe
[13:13:50] nero: you can get it used for like $25.00..
[13:14:39] Paladine: took me like an hour to do a draft project plan and title page with headers and footers
[13:14:39] nero: Paladine, yeah.. for the most part I use LaTeX now.. while learning it, for shorter documents it was easier to fire up OO or Word.. but now, after writting a dissertation in it, I can do everything faster/nicer in LaTeX than I could otherwise.
[13:14:46] Paladine: and it was the first time I have ever used latex
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[13:15:20] Paladine: would have taken me hours to do all the formatting in OOo
[13:15:31] nero: Yup.. for 95% of the stuff you'd do with it, LaTeX is very easy/intuitive/etc.. but for that last 5%, it can be a NIGHTMARE to figure out how to do it..
[13:15:42] Paladine: hehehe
[13:15:56] nero: LaTeX likes to do everything the way it thinks things should be done.. which is right most of the time..but getting it to do it the way you want it can be tough.
[13:16:19] Paladine: you got an ISBN for that book?
[13:16:25] Paladine: so I can look it up in UK Amazon
[13:16:37] nero: 0321173856
[13:16:46] Paladine: thanks bud
[13:17:14] nero: I have used the third edition for years.. haven't seen the fourth in person, but heard it has a few more tips in it..
[13:17:18] nero: np
[13:17:53] Paladine: hehe of course it would be 2x as much in the UK ;)
[13:18:04] Paladine: but I will buy it next week
[13:18:08] nero: see if you can find it used somewhere..
[13:18:15] Paladine: that is used :)
[13:18:18] nero: lots of grad students buy it, write their dissertation, then sell it..
[13:18:23] nero: ahhh.. doh!
[13:18:56] nero: My copy has become my office's copy.. once people saw the kind of output I was getting with TeX, EVERYONE wanted to do it.. lol
[13:19:20] Paladine: yeahI have been meaning to look at latex for years, just never got round to it
[13:19:38] Paladine: but Iknow how much time I waste on formatting in wp's so Ifigured I may as well have a look
[13:20:13] Paladine: ended up staying up all night reading the wiki-book
[13:20:17] Paladine: hehe
[13:20:57] Paladine: gotta be worth a few more geekpoints too :)
[13:21:07] nero: yup.. its good stuff.. If you are doing figures, xfig works well, and allows you to output as an eps or pdf.. I did most of my stuff in Illustrator though (as it is the vector package I am most familiar with)
[13:21:21] Paladine: I have imagemagick
[13:21:27] Paladine: which will convert anything to anything anyway
[13:21:38] nero: well, it got all kinds of ooooohs and ahhhhs from my advisors..
[13:21:53] nero: but in terms of making the figures- if you have to draw them..
[13:21:59] Paladine: yeah
[13:22:31] nero: to get the best quality output, try to keep everything vector based (eps, ps, pdf are the three that work best with latex)
[13:22:47] Paladine: I love the way latex tracks figures, references, sections, subsections, subsubsections etc etc etc etc
[13:23:55] nero: oooh yeah.. and in a large document it makes life oh so much easier.
[13:24:02] Paladine: hell yeah
[13:24:10] nero: now we have turned #mythtv-users into #gush-about-latex
[13:24:21] Paladine: I hate doing bibliographies and ToC's manually
[13:25:13] Paladine: andI will never again mis-number my appendices hehe
[13:25:41] nero: hehe
[13:26:07] Paladine: did you join TUG?
[13:26:54] nero: Nope.. :(
[13:27:05] nero: I just hung out quite a bit on #latex
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[13:27:41] Paladine: I think LaTeX will become my "discovery of the year"
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[13:27:55] Paladine: it is going to be so useful in the future with me wanting to write books andresearch papers
[13:28:50] Paladine: gotta be handy thing to have on one's resume too
[13:29:30] Paladine: did you use any special editor or just a regular text editor?
[13:29:32] JohnQ: The 0.20 mythtranscode from mpeg2 to mpeg4 is introducing audio sync issues.. it drifts from the video.. sometimes ahead sometimes behind... anyone seen this symptom?
[13:29:36] Paladine: I am just using bluefish at the moment
[13:29:42] Paladine: emacs makes me cringe
[13:29:55] nero: Paladine, kile is your friend..
[13:30:01] nero: and will completely blow your mind.. :)
[13:30:13] GreyFoxx: JohnQ: I think I saw some tickets about that in trac in thelast coupledays
[13:30:15] Paladine: I looked up Bloat in the dictionary and it had a picture of the emacs GUI in the definition
[13:30:27] GreyFoxx: With Windows right next to it ?
[13:30:39] Paladine: no that was filed under shite
[13:30:45] GreyFoxx: ahhh
[13:30:46] JohnQ: do you have a link to the trac?
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[13:31:17] GreyFoxx: JohnQ: Not readily at hand no
[13:31:50] ** Paladine installs kile **
[13:32:08] Paladine: although I am usually opposed to kde apps ;)
[13:32:15] Paladine: cos I am a gnome biggot
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[13:33:44] nero: Paladine, kile is a latex specific editor- lets you compile your latex docs directly in the editor (and shows you the resulting dvi/ps/pdf)..
[13:34:10] Paladine: yeah I have it loaded as we speak hehe
[13:34:18] nero: IMHO, it is the best latex editor out there.. especially for long documents where you have a master document with sub-documents.
[13:39:35] JohnQ: GreyFoxx: I'm not seeing anything in the trac about it...
[13:41:36] briand: JohnQ: check out #2501
[13:43:01] JohnQ: The problem they are sedcribing there is MUCH more severe than what I am seeing.
[13:43:38] briand: yes, with noticeable audio speed changes, etc... possibly related, tho... only occurs during transcoding
[13:47:58] JohnQ: I seriously doubt it is the same bug... "twice the speed" .. My 1 hour shows still take an hour... its nothing that severe.
[13:48:26] Juski: argghh! still getting undefined reference to `XvMCLoadQMatrix' even though I've not enabled xvmc in ./configure... wth?
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[13:55:21] Honk^gone: does mythmusic stream audio over the net too? =)
[13:55:43] Juski: nope
[13:55:47] Honk^gone: damn =)
[13:56:25] Juski: it doesn't 'stream' anything anyway
[13:56:47] Honk^gone: yeah i know ;)
[13:56:54] Honk^gone: bad choice of words
[13:57:10] Honk^gone: "does mythmusic play files on a remote backend too?"
[13:57:20] Juski: you can set up symlinks in your mythweb directory so you can access your music files over the net
[13:57:49] Juski: mythmusic plays audio files as if they were stored locally, so any 'remote'-ness that goes on is by NFS or samba shares
[13:57:50] Tommck: Honk^gone – I play mythmusic off of a remote backend, but I'm NFS-mounting my music directory
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[13:59:01] Juski: bollocks to this. 0.20 just isn't worth the hassle
[13:59:11] Honk^gone: Tommck: the answer is "no" then :P
[13:59:40] GreyFoxx: Juski:Packages are teh suck
[13:59:43] GreyFoxx: :)
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[14:00:23] Juski: packages suck, and I can't repeat the miracle I performed earlier whereby a manual build worked just fine
[14:00:46] Juski: unless I missed something about distclean...
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[14:01:17] Juski: only 5.5 hours left til my next scheduled recording & my patience is worn out anyway
[14:01:44] Juski: someone PLEASE make ubuntu packages that don't try to configure everything for the user
[14:02:05] D-side: well
[14:02:14] D-side: that kind of flies in the face of what ubuntu wants to accomplish.
[14:02:37] Juski: never mind what ubuntu wants to accomplish
[14:02:46] D-side: heh i see
[14:02:54] Juski: I want to accomplish installing mythtv myself, and not be mollycoddled
[14:02:58] D-side: that sounds like an incompatibility. :)
[14:03:18] Juski: starting to feel like **I** am not linux compatible anymore
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[14:04:00] D-side: it may just be a distro/individual incompatibility.
[14:04:03] D-side: i suggest gentoo. :D
[14:04:10] Juski: oh that's funny
[14:04:25] Juski: I'm trying to switch from that PITA
[14:04:27] Sebulba02: what was wrong with repackaging the deb without that startup script?
[14:04:27] D-side: i wasn't kidding about the former. the latter I knew would piss you off. :)
[14:04:44] GreyFoxx: Juski: Well, I've never used an EPIA, but setting up slackware/myth is asnap
[14:04:51] Juski: Sebulba02: 1. not knowing how to
[14:04:52] Sebulba02: s/startup/setup
[14:04:52] GreyFoxx: AND you are 100% in control :)
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[14:05:15] Juski: I prolly know enough about linux to use slack these days
[14:05:16] siXy: ive never heard slackware (insert anythign here) being a snap :)
[14:05:41] GreyFoxx: siXy: It's dependant on the users knowledge :)
[14:05:44] siXy: slackware is ever more annoying that gentoo for doing exactly what you tell it to do not what you want it to do
[14:05:46] D-side: all this slackware love makes me sad. :)
[14:06:02] Juski: I'd use knoppmyth for $deity's sakes but I've always found it to be a PoS
[14:06:20] Sebulba02: Why not just plain debian?
[14:06:37] Sebulba02: when I setup my frontend, it didn't generate anything for me
[14:06:49] Juski: because AFAIK the debian packages for mythtv nursemaid you too
[14:07:04] D-side: sounds like you're going to have to roll your own packages.
[14:07:05] Sebulba02: you doing a backend install?
[14:07:08] D-side: shouldnt be bad.
[14:07:28] Juski: doing a complete install.. or I would be if the bastard would build
[14:07:30] D-side: pull the sources from the source repos for the 0.20 builds
[14:07:42] D-side: edit out the scripts like someone above said, and it should be simple.
[14:07:42] Juski: I did that already
[14:07:49] D-side: still no luck?
[14:07:52] Juski: nope
[14:08:39] Juski: I'm verging on being too pissed off to accomplish anything now though
[14:08:52] Sebulba02: you should just be able to ar -x <package>; edit files; ar <package> <files> ?
[14:09:05] Sebulba02: never done it though
[14:10:13] Tommck: anyone in here using Xine to play DVDs with S/PDIF passthrough in Myth?
[14:10:36] Juski: Tommck: yes, but with minimyth so no idea how it does it
[14:11:21] Tommck: Juski – it seems that Myth might not be letting go of the sound card or something... it tells me that "the audio device is unavailable"
[14:11:30] Tommck: (I set the arrangement to "Pass Through")
[14:12:10] siXy: tommck it sound like you have a broken asound.rc to me
[14:12:27] Tommck: siXy – where would that file be?
[14:13:19] siXy: well... there might be a file in ~ called .asoundrc, and/or there might be a file in /etc/ called asound.conf, or there might be niether and you will have to create one, all depending on distro
[14:13:54] Tommck: neither :)
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[14:15:08] siXy: fedora core 5?
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[14:15:15] Tommck: ubuntu dapper
[14:15:22] Tommck: (6.06)
[14:16:15] siXy: arrg ubuntu. ok. now you have the uneviable task of googling alsa configs for your soundcard, or trawling through what little documentation there exsists for alsa and creating your own
[14:16:27] Tommck: siXy – yeah... gonna figure it out..
[14:16:29] siXy: unless you are lucky enough to have a soundcard that i or someone else here has used
[14:16:34] Tommck: luckily, I figured this out once before...
[14:16:38] Tommck: I think I blogged it :)
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[14:16:57] Juski: don't blog it.. put it in the official wiki
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[14:17:16] ** Tommck feels like a loser because he's never editted a Wiki before **
[14:17:45] Juski: 1st time for everything. pretty hard to get it wrong
[14:18:06] Tommck: :)
[14:18:08] Juski: your changes are never permanent until you click submit, and even then they can be rolled back
[14:18:19] Tommck: I just used the config from my blog posting...
[14:18:21] Tommck: it's working.
[14:18:34] Tommck: I don't know whether it's card specific, but I don't think so
[14:18:49] Tommck: should I be putting it here: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Configuring_Xine  ??
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[14:19:14] Tommck: I actually had a comment of "# Xine doesn't use the "default" device for S/PDIF but this:" in my asoundrc
[14:19:32] Juski: right... I wiped out the source directory, grabbed an svn co again, now attempting make again
[14:20:08] ** nero doesnt like that upgrading to the latest svn changed his default DVD player from Xine to internal.. **
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[14:20:59] Tommck: Juski – when I try to edit in the Wiki, I get "Bad Response From Server" in Firefox
[14:21:25] Juski: that's one excuse
[14:21:30] Tommck: hehe :)
[14:21:32] siXy: yeah i had one of them before
[14:21:35] Tommck: IE got a 400 error
[14:21:48] nero: umm.. I cant connect to the mythtv.org server at all..
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[14:21:56] Tommck: great
[14:22:08] Tommck: me neither
[14:22:13] Tommck: guess it crashed or something
[14:22:15] asperon: hi guys and gals, is there any way to schedule a job for myth to rescan the media and music dirs say each night?
[14:22:32] Tommck: it's better now
[14:22:35] Tommck: oh...
[14:22:39] Tommck: actually only the root works for me
[14:22:53] Tommck: the Wiki doesn't work
[14:23:34] siXy: asperon – i suspect you will have to write your own cron job to update the mysql database manually
[14:24:46] Tommck: can anyone else get to the Wiki?
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[14:31:56] Tommck: To borrow a quote from Pink Floyd: "Is there anybody OUT there?"
[14:33:26] D-side: no.
[14:33:32] Tommck: :)
[14:34:41] Juski: getting a blank page here
[14:34:57] Tommck: I'm getting 400 errors
[14:34:59] Juski: for both mythtv.org and the wiki
[14:35:11] Tommck: I'm getting mythtv.org fine
[14:35:14] Tommck: just not the wiki
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[14:35:18] laga: re
[14:35:24] Tommck: hey laga
[14:35:44] laga: heya Tommck
[14:35:55] jcsmith: i was just about to ask about getting to mythtv.org and the wiki, i don't ge any errors, just an empty white page for both :-( and from wahti see here its not just me
[14:36:02] laga: GreyFoxx: care to take a look? IEGD & DRM issues :) http://forum.zenega-user.de/index.php?act=ST&f=17&t=3459
[14:36:03] JohnQ: blank for me
[14:36:34] Tommck: mythv.org is fine for me... weird
[14:36:38] Tommck: just broken Wiki
[14:36:45] mcD_ho: does anyone knows why ..http://www.abarbaccia.com/ .. is down ??
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[14:37:01] Tommck: no
[14:37:04] Juski: laga: did I mention someone posted a method to stop the front panel LED flashing?
[14:37:06] D-side: i'm gonna guess
[14:37:13] D-side: because someone doesnt know how mambo works
[14:37:17] D-side: thats based on googling from last night
[14:37:22] D-side: or an update that b0rk it
[14:37:26] Tommck: papa love mambo
[14:37:30] Tommck: loves*
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[14:39:48] laga: Juski: sledgehammer?
[14:40:04] Skinney: could anyone help me out? i've just compiled mythtv and when i try to run setup i get: mythtv-setup: error while loading shared libraries: libmythtv-0.20.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[14:40:26] laga: Skinney: you need to update ld.so.conf; it's covered in the docs
[14:40:28] Juski: laga: no there's a serial port thing you can do, send a string of chars to it & it stops flashing :)
[14:40:56] laga: Juski: nifty. we can access the frontpanel via some /dev/tty magic?
[14:41:10] Skinney: really? i didn't see it :S you couldn't be so kind to point out where? :P (hopefull)
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[14:41:44] laga: Skinney: sorry, not off-hand. put /usr/local/lib/ into /etc/ld.so.conf and run ldconfig. both as root.
[14:42:29] Juski: laga: I'll dig out the email
[14:42:32] Tommck: so... is anyone in here who can fix the Wiki?
[14:44:02] Juski: laga: http://forum.zenega-user.de/index.php?s=09fc9 . . . 69&st=15
[14:45:30] Skinney: there we go :D
[14:45:42] Skinney: thanks laga... and sorry for not reading the docs carefully
[14:45:43] laga: Juski: thanks a lot. because... it's f'ing annoying :)
[14:45:45] Juski: and while I'm handing out links... super-big f.o. mythtv logo approximation http://www.mythtvtalk.com/ProjectGrayhem/images/newlogo.png
[14:46:14] laga: Juski: FYI, there's a patch for the IEGD mythtv brokenness. i asked panzaeron for 0.20 packages but he hasn't replied yet
[14:46:43] Juski: speaking of 0.20 I'm having brain-busting 'fun' today
[14:47:03] laga: 0.20 could have used a bit more testing
[14:47:08] Juski: what IEGD mythtv brokenness?
[14:47:14] Juski: funny colours?
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[14:47:20] laga: Juski: mythtv 0.20 and IEGD would case funny colors, yes
[14:47:30] ** laga has disassembled the pundit again **
[14:47:37] Juski: I saw my s100 boxen in the cupboard today
[14:50:41] janneg: Tommck: not here
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[14:56:36] asperon: ok, just thought somebody might have a script or something to do that
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[14:57:06] Skinney: is it normal that mythtv doesnt connect to my mysql database even though i've filled in the correct info?
[14:57:40] asperon: Skinney: does the mysql server accept connections?
[14:57:52] asperon: if its on another box you need to enable networking
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[14:59:34] Skinney: its on the same box...
[14:59:43] Skinney: and should be accepting connections, im using amarok for it...
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[15:00:37] Juski: oh FFS this is just ridiculous
[15:00:58] Juski: /usr/lib/libmythavcodec-0.20.so: undefined reference to `XvMCLoadQMatrix'
[15:01:01] Skinney: ?:P
[15:01:05] Juski: XvMC is NOT enabled
[15:01:10] Skinney: lol
[15:02:41] Juski: hilarious, I'm sure :-|
[15:03:54] Skinney: hehe, im sorry
[15:04:06] Skinney: got this wierd mysql thing myself... don't really get it :S
[15:04:43] jams: hey laga how goes mbutna
[15:07:22] laga: jams: haven't really worked on it yet. too busy with other stuff
[15:07:48] Juski: fucking bastard stupid package!!!!¬
[15:07:56] ivor: Juski: having fun?
[15:08:16] Juski: sudo mke2fs /dev/hda3
[15:09:05] Juski: looks like I'm staying on 0.19-fixes for a considerable amount of time
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[15:09:28] Skinney: BAH!
[15:09:41] jams: heh
[15:09:54] J-e-f-f-A: Juski: I'm staying on .19 for a while too....  ;-)
[15:10:01] ivor: Juski: whats not working?
[15:10:09] Skinney: whats wrong with this? all the settings are supposedly CORRECT! why won't you connect?
[15:10:35] laga: J-e-f-f-A: good decision..
[15:10:42] D-side: Skinney: ~/.mythtv/mysql.txt
[15:11:16] D-side: just a shot in the dark. i have no idea whats going on. :)
[15:11:30] Juski: ivor: 1. can't build from source for some inexplicable reason. /usr/lib/libmythavcodec-0.20.so: undefined reference to `XvMCLoadQMatrix' when XvMC isn't enabled at ./configure :-|
[15:11:39] Juski: 2. the ubuntu packages stink
[15:11:53] D-side: says you. :D
[15:11:57] ivor: Juski: find which .o is pulling in that symbol
[15:12:08] D-side: dont worry, i know better than to have this fight with you. :)
[15:12:18] Juski: ivor: I'm past caring about it
[15:12:21] Skinney: DBType=QMYSQL3
[15:12:21] Skinney: well, im using mysql 5... could this be a problem?
[15:12:22] ivor: heh
[15:12:46] D-side: no.
[15:12:50] Skinney: ok
[15:13:29] J-e-f-f-A: Skinney: What's the error message?
[15:14:33] Skinney: myth could not connect to database server, please verify settings below...
[15:14:52] D-side: Skinney: right. and you've checked what i said above?
[15:14:57] Skinney: and before i start the setup it shows...
[15:14:59] Skinney: 2006-09–30 17:14:23.907 Unable to connect to database!
[15:15:00] Skinney: 2006-09–30 17:14:23.907 No error type from QSqlError? Strange...
[15:15:00] Skinney: QSqlQuery::exec: database not open
[15:15:00] Skinney: QSqlQuery::exec: database not open
[15:15:00] Skinney: 2006-09–30 17:14:23.962 DB Error (KickDatabase):
[15:15:00] Skinney: Query was:
[15:15:02] Skinney: SELECT NULL;
[15:15:04] Skinney: No error type from QSqlError? Strange...
[15:15:06] Skinney: 2006-09–30 17:14:24.014 Failed to init MythContext, exiting.
[15:15:07] laga: do not flood.
[15:15:08] Sebulba02: yeah
[15:15:08] Skinney: sorry for spamming...
[15:15:12] Skinney: *flooding*
[15:15:25] J-e-f-f-A: Skinney: Is this a remote frontend, or a combined frontend/backend?
[15:15:28] Juski: maybe the installer from your package made the mysql user password something random, think it might be useful to have a random password
[15:15:37] Sebulba02: You need to set the password using OLD_PASSWORD
[15:15:49] Sebulba02: I ran into that last weekend...
[15:16:27] Skinney: well.. i've installed mysql server myself and configured it myself... Amarok is using the mysql server right now and works perfectly... i've just compiled mythtv from source...
[15:16:47] Skinney: jeffa: combined frontend/backend
[15:16:59] J-e-f-f-A: Skinney: See Sebulba02's note above ^^^^
[15:17:26] Skinney: OLD_PASSWORD? in mysql?
[15:17:29] Sebulba02: yes
[15:17:48] Skinney: but why would it work with amarok?
[15:17:54] Sebulba02: use mysq; update users set Password=OLD_PASSWORD('mythtv') where User='mythtv';
[15:18:00] Sebulba02: mysql; *
[15:18:12] Sebulba02: Skinney: the lib you're using for mysql is older?
[15:18:19] ivor: Juski: well even if you're past caring... that symbol is pulled in from xvmcvldvideo.c. which should be being compiled if you don't have "using_xvmc_vld" defined.
[15:18:54] Sebulba02: and don't forget to FLUSH PRIVILEGES when you've done that
[15:19:26] Juski: ivor: not intending to use xvmc at all, since it's a bitch to make work in ubuntu anyway
[15:19:51] Juski: this is for the backend anyway. frontend will be staying with minimyth if there's a release that has the protocol bump included
[15:20:15] ivor: Juski: sure... but that's where that symbol comes from. so you might want to get rid of the .o and check that that file isn't being put into the Makefile with qmake
[15:20:38] Skinney: mysql> update users set Password=OLD_PASSWORD('thalia89') where User='Skinney'; ERROR 1046 (3D000): No database selected
[15:20:48] Sebulba02: you have to use mysql;
[15:20:57] ivor: Juski: (in libs/libavcodec)
[15:20:59] Juski: ivor: great. why should I have to jump through all these hoops anyway?
[15:21:05] Sebulba02: Skinney: and nice password :)
[15:21:11] Sebulba02: Skinney: might want to change that
[15:21:20] Sebulba02: everywhere you use it
[15:21:28] ivor: er, you shouldn't... something must be wrong somewhere.
[15:22:06] Skinney: bah, the password is deprecated anyway ;)
[15:22:09] Juski: the only thing I can think of is /etc/X11/XvMCConfig
[15:22:23] Juski: so I deleted the line.. trying again
[15:22:26] Sebulba02: Skinney: heh
[15:22:47] ivor: the libavcodec.pro only puts that file into the makefile if "using_xvmc_vld" is defined. so either the makefile is wrong. there's an old ".o" file lying around.. or your config.mak has using_xvmc... defined for some reason.
[15:22:58] Juski: so let me get this straight.. to build without xvmc, you still need xvmc to be on your system
[15:23:05] ivor: no
[15:23:22] Juski: ivor: this is me running ./configure.... ./configure --enable-dvb
[15:23:45] Juski: and it reports back that xvmc isn't enabled
[15:24:13] Juski: and this is after wiping out the directory I checked mythtv out into
[15:24:15] ivor: Juski: can you look in config.mak and see what you have in "CCONFIG"
[15:24:42] ivor: any mention of xvmc at all?
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[15:25:09] Juski: ivor: yup
[15:25:12] Juski: :-| WTF?
[15:25:20] ivor: that'll do it. now how's that got there.
[15:25:44] Juski: I tried to build it with xvmc earlier but did make distclean after it failed
[15:25:45] acolwell: hi. Is the wiki on www.mythtv.org down?
[15:26:08] Sebulba02: it would seem so
[15:26:14] jams: yes
[15:26:23] Skinney: im sorry, i cant get this mysql of yours to work :S
[15:26:24] ivor: Juski: you could force it off with "--disable-xvmc --disable-xvmc-vld"
[15:26:35] Sebulba02: Skinney: ?
[15:26:52] acolwell: ok thanks. Just wanted to make sure it wasn't something wrong on my end.
[15:27:17] Juski: ivor: seems pretty lame to me that the output of ./configure reports that xvmc isn't enabled yet it still is
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[15:27:18] Dagmar: Yeah, MySQL doesn't have very good xvmc support
[15:27:22] Dagmar: You definitely wanna disable that
[15:27:23] ivor: Juski: after all... .19-fixes is just so retro. :)
[15:27:46] ivor: Juski: yeah that needs looking into. if it says its not enabled, it shouldn't be in the config.mak file.
[15:27:46] Skinney: ok sebulba... i enter my terminal, enter mysql -p and enter my password to login to the mysql db...
[15:28:22] Skinney: then i run mysql; update users set Password=OLD_PASSWORD('password') where User='Skinney';
[15:28:24] Skinney: right?
[15:28:28] Juski: I can't make my mind up about whether mythtv is actually going forwards or not here
[15:28:29] Sebulba02: Skinney: $mysql -uroot -p
[15:28:29] Sebulba02: <type password>
[15:28:29] Sebulba02: mysql>use mysql;
[15:28:29] Sebulba02: mysql>update user set Password=OLD_PASSWORD('whatever') WHERE User='mythtv';
[15:28:29] Sebulba02: mysql>FLUSH PRIVILEGES;
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[15:28:51] Sebulba02: crazy case thing going on with my sql, geez
[15:29:59] Juski: gonna try building this again, then if it doesn't work, the install goes in the bin & I stick with 0.19
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[15:31:14] ** J-e-f-f-A If there was a poll that asks "Have you upgraded to MythTV 0.20 yet?" I think I'd pick "No – Not until the smoke clears..."  ;-) **
[15:31:42] Sebulba02: I hear that.
[15:31:51] Juski: it's been over 2 weeks since the release.. should be more than enough time
[15:31:56] ** Sebulba02 broke his myth install for 2 hours trying to upgrade. **
[15:32:18] Juski: on previous occasions I've had to wait for ebuilds, which was always about 2 weeks & all was fine
[15:32:43] Juski: though I'd have had a bastard of a time getting 0.19 to work if I'd not been upgrading from 0.18
[15:33:07] Sebulba02: I installed 0.19 from scratch pretty easy.
[15:33:18] Sebulba02: Didn't compile it, though.
[15:33:28] Juski: dvb scanning was very much broken for my dvb tuners
[15:34:23] Sebulba02: ah
[15:34:43] J-e-f-f-A: Oddly enough, my first battle with MythTV wasn't actually with Myth, but with LIRC — getting it to work with my "no-one-has-done-it-yet" Dish DP7200 receiver... ;-)
[15:34:57] ivor: Juski: if it's any help .20 seems just fine here.
[15:35:23] Juski: I built it okay earlier today, before I had a rethink about xvmc
[15:35:44] Juski: I only tried to build it with xvmc incase I wanted to make my own packages of it
[15:36:46] Skinney: still not working :(
[15:37:05] Sebulba02: uhhh
[15:37:06] Juski: then when I tried to build the plugins, it failed with the same error
[15:37:14] Sebulba02: I dunno then
[15:37:34] Skinney: No error type from QSqlError? Strange...
[15:37:34] Skinney: and
[15:37:34] Skinney: QSqlQuery::exec: database not open
[15:37:39] Skinney: does that help anything?
[15:37:39] Juski: actually screw it. I'm going back
[15:38:09] ivor: nooooo. "forwards not back"
[15:38:33] ivor: ...concerned eyebrow, hand gesture, etc
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[15:38:51] ** J-e-f-f-A is building a 'test' .20 system before he 'mucks' up his 'live' .19 system!!!!! **
[15:39:15] digi_: hey in mythweb using 0.20 are you supposed to be able to stream recorded shows?
[15:39:27] Juski: gentoo wanted me to upgrade to xorg 7.0, I said screw that.. then ubuntu gave me a whole bundle of fun I've never seen the likes of in all my time building myth from scratch
[15:39:35] digi_: i see a module in the mythweb dir called stream, but is there further setup to be done?
[15:39:51] Juski: digi_: see the mythtv wiki
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[15:39:53] ** Juski runs away **
[15:40:04] digi_: Juski: which one, there's like a hundred
[15:40:13] Juski: THE mythtv wiki
[15:40:15] jcsmith: are there any problems building myth .20 with gcc 4.0.3? when trying to build it the compiler keeps throwing an ICE
[15:40:33] digi_: Juski: gotcha
[15:40:45] DigeratiH: on the myth tv setup, what if you do not have a nic, what will you miss out on besides mythbrowse and www access to the settings?
[15:40:52] J-e-f-f-A: digi_ : I believe that's for playing streams from the web. MythStreamTV is for streaming from myth to the network or web... But it's not an 'official' plugin, and I don't know if anyone has set it up on .20 yet.
[15:40:53] DigeratiH: is that how it gets its weather?
[15:41:08] Juski: DigeratiH: how else would it get the weather data?
[15:41:15] digi_: J-e-f-f-A: yeah mythstreamtv doesn't work in 0.20
[15:41:18] Juski: you also miss out on EPG data
[15:41:18] DigeratiH: lol
[15:41:24] DigeratiH: well thats what i was thinking
[15:41:27] DigeratiH: jus checkin
[15:41:36] DigeratiH: epg data?
[15:41:49] Juski: programme guide data
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[15:42:02] DigeratiH: oh now that I thought it sucked down from the cable line
[15:42:14] digi_: J-e-f-f-A: so if that plugin is for playing streams from web, and mythstreamtv is only thing that can stream YOUR programs on the web, is there any actual working method that's currently in mythweb/mythtv to stream your shows over the net?
[15:42:18] DigeratiH: glad i asked
[15:42:32] DigeratiH: I got to run a line from the hub in the bedroom to the lv
[15:43:47] J-e-f-f-A: digi_ I don't know about .20 — I'm still running .19 and mythstreamtv works well. I'm starting to learn php and the details of how mythweb works, so maybe when i build my .20 test system I can figure out how to get mythstreamtv to work with it.
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[15:44:32] digi_: J-e-f-f-A: id downgrade, but i actually just got mythtv to auto-transcode and remove commercials the way i want so i dont wanna mess with it anymore
[15:44:51] J-e-f-f-A: DigeratiH: yea, I was wondering about that myself... Until about a month ago, I didn't realize that the frontend got the weather directly, not from the backend...
[15:45:01] Juski: great! the keyboard attached to the backend now dowsn't work. this thing is inches away from a drop from a big height
[15:45:18] J-e-f-f-A: Juski: Drop it my way!!! ;-)
[15:45:29] ivor: Juski: put it in perspective
[15:45:50] Juski: in perspective.. computers are shite & I'm losing my touch with them and reality
[15:45:52] ivor: yesterday I woke to find 2 inches of water in the store room.
[15:46:48] ivor: on the bright side... I had been planning on putting my servers in there but hadn't got around to it yet.
[15:47:04] digi_: can anyone else not get to the mythtv wiki page?
[15:47:15] ivor: digi_: the servers down
[15:47:24] digi_: ah, that'd explain it
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[15:47:57] ** J-e-f-f-A Hey- why isn't it runnin Linux, and if it is, why's it down! ;-) **
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[15:49:20] janneg: J-e-f-f-A: the Apache is down
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[15:50:35] J-e-f-f-A: Anyone here using PXE to netboot a diskless frontend, and care to help me troubleshoot my setup?
[15:50:59] ivor: not yet, but planning to soon
[15:51:04] regicide666: I don't use it know but have used it in the past
[15:51:12] ivor: so if you get it going... write a nice howto for me.
[15:51:20] Juski: J-e-f-f-A: I am
[15:51:38] regicide666: what is the problem
[15:51:52] J-e-f-f-A: I built the frontend with a HDD originally (using MythDora) and got everything working perfect...
[15:52:05] ** Juski considers backing up / and biting the bullet & upgrading to xorg 7.0 **
[15:52:29] ** Juski reconsiders. life's too short for gentoo **
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[15:53:42] J-e-f-f-A: Then moved that to a NFS share on my backend, and ran sys-config-netboot to create the appropriate stuff...
[15:54:12] Juski: J-e-f-f-A: did you build the kernel with nfsroot and the LAN driver built in?
[15:54:28] regicide666: that is what I was going to ask
[15:54:29] J-e-f-f-A: The frontend boots, gets the IP, downloads the kernel & initrd, but then just sits there at "Ready."
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[15:55:05] Juski: J-e-f-f-A: and did you change fstab to mount / over nfs ?
[15:55:11] J-e-f-f-A: Juski: Actually, no... I'm just running Mythdora on that frontend atm...
[15:55:30] belarm: J-e-f-f-A, i have a the kernel config file i used for my netbooting frontend, if you want to use it as a starting point
[15:55:56] J-e-f-f-A: Jusk: Humm... No I didn't... In the NFS directory for the netboot machine, eh.... Wow, can it be that simple...
[15:56:01] ** J-e-f-f-A smacks himself... **
[15:56:16] Juski: how dare you deprive me of the pleasure... pfft
[15:56:31] Juski: ;_)
[15:57:55] belarm: don't feel bad, J-e-f-f-A, i just found the answer to my question in the most unlikely of places...the frontend menu
[15:57:57] Juski: not saying that'll solve everything of course, but if you don't mount / over NFS it's not good anyway
[15:58:37] J-e-f-f-A: Juski: Humm... that could be it... considering there isn't even an entry in the fstab for root!
[16:00:01] ** J-e-f-f-A This is the last 'hurdle' to getting my "MythVCR" running... (It's an old magnavox vcr gutted with a 'puter inside... ;-) ) **
[16:00:36] belarm: hey, that reminds me...for those of you who've done a diskless front end: i'm having some issues wherein mythfrontend tries to allocate more memory than i have, and swap isn't really an option. is there a way to limit the amount of memory the front end will commit?
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[16:00:46] belarm: ...or should i just get more RAM?
[16:00:56] Juski: belarm: running just fine in 512MB here
[16:01:08] belarm: J-e-f-f-A, what motherboard did you use for yours?
[16:01:10] J-e-f-f-A: belarm: I've got 512mb in mine, hope it's enough for the frontend!
[16:01:11] Juski: you could always resort to NFS mounted swap of course
[16:01:16] DigeratiH: how well does knoppmyth work with a usb wireless nic thingy
[16:01:16] DigeratiH: its either that or run a cable from the living room to the bedroom
[16:01:16] DigeratiH: were the network switch is
[16:01:22] belarm: only 256 in mine, unfortunately :-(
[16:01:44] belarm: Juski, i'm...not really sure how to do that
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[16:01:59] Juski: belarm: easy as editing fstab
[16:02:43] belarm: well, i'm more concerned about how to specify that in the exports file, as it operates off directory structures
[16:02:56] Juski: though something must be wrong, cos I can run mythfrontend happily in less than 128MB on my crappy little s100 box.. can't speak for 0.20 though
[16:03:14] J-e-f-f-A: belarm: It's actually a bunch of scraps... an old VIA133 motherboard, pIII 800, a 'mini-atx' power supply ripped from it's case, and short cards for video, sound & network.;-) It all just barely fits in the old VCR case... 14"x9"x3.5" ...
[16:03:26] belarm: well, this only happens if you browse through gallery view too quickly. i think it's caching too many posters, or some such
[16:04:06] belarm: ahh...that's slightly lower profile than my P4 system, which won't fit in the VCR I have available
[16:04:17] belarm: i'm thinking of just picking up an eden board at some point
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[16:06:03] J-e-f-f-A: belarm: Yeah, the MB is 11.5"x8.25" — it barely fits!  ;-) But since this cheap old vcr is plastic, the MB can rest directly on the bottom of the case...
[16:06:39] Juski: I saw a real ugly photo of someone's work hacking a PC to fit inside an old vcr once (shudder)
[16:06:42] belarm: oh, that's handy...one guy i saw online replaced the bottom with plexiglass, but the sides of this one mount to the bottom of the case
[16:06:46] Juski: WAF of -100
[16:07:02] J-e-f-f-A: belarm: My next step after getting PXE to work properly is to sire up the 'vcr' buttons to work with myth ;-)
[16:07:06] Juski: -10 points for every inch of visible duct tape ;)
[16:07:22] belarm: duct tape == no-no
[16:08:01] belarm: shouldn't be too rough, Juski...how comfortable are you with soldering? ;-)
[16:08:20] Juski: I was quite keen on the new coolermaster meeja box til I saw what the silver one looked like
[16:08:34] J-e-f-f-A: Juski: no duct tape here. Although in my 'testing/design' phase I do have a little tape to setup airflow through it. (just one fan, trying to make it quiet as possible)  — But once I've figured it out, it will be gonezo...
[16:08:49] Juski: how comfortable am I with soldering? 0402 resistors don't give me any trouble
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[16:09:44] belarm: then you shouldn't have much trouble, just look for some schematics (or go really jank, rip apart an old controller or something, and replace the leads from the buttons with the ones on the vcr)
[16:10:19] Juski: kinda defeats the object of having a remote, that
[16:10:24] belarm: gah...that question should've been directed at J-e-f-f-A
[16:10:42] belarm: sorry, i'm still half-asleep
[16:10:43] J-e-f-f-A: belarm: Hey, no problem here. I'm going to use a keyboard encoder.
[16:11:04] Juski: like a MAME cabinet affair ;)
[16:11:09] J-e-f-f-A: belarm: I'm an electronics guru too... ;-) I just wanted to get the "hard" stuff out of the way first — the controls are easy!
[16:11:16] J-e-f-f-A: Juski: Exactly... ;-)
[16:12:20] belarm: what did you use for the remote receiver, Juski ?
[16:12:22] J-e-f-f-A: belarm, Juski – I've even got a 'smoked plexi' vcr tape slot door that I'm going to use on the MythVCR and put an LCD or VFD back there... Again, after I get the 'hard' stuff done... ;-)
[16:12:42] ** Juski pukes at the thought of displays inside a pc case **
[16:13:04] Juski: belarm: homebrewed lirc_serial receiver of course
[16:13:07] J-e-f-f-A: belarm: I don't know what Juski used, but I built a serial ir receiver.
[16:13:22] J-e-f-f-A: Juski: Huh? Just a character display...
[16:13:31] Juski: still looking for some smoked plastic I can use for an IR window for my LC02 box
[16:13:46] belarm: i'm having trouble finding the parts for the ones i've seen schematics for, but I may go to the homebrew shop in indy today
[16:13:53] Juski: J-e-f-f-A: VFDs etc have no place inside something that fits under the TV IMHO
[16:13:57] briand: agreed. and, my new myth box with a VFD will more perfectly match the rest of my home theater rack components...
[16:14:04] Juski: it's why OSD was invented ;)
[16:14:05] belarm: i was about to say, J-e-f-f-A , i hope it's just alphanumeric
[16:14:20] J-e-f-f-A: Juski: Grab some from an old vcr or sterio or something and 'gut' the little window! ;-)
[16:14:22] briand: Juski: yeah, but i don't have to turn on the television to see what the myth box is up to... :)
[16:14:41] Juski: you can't exactly use mythmusic without a TV though
[16:14:58] J-e-f-f-A: Juski: Yeah, but OSD can be a pain too... I'd actually like an option to turn off the OSD, and only use an LCD or VFD instead...
[16:15:06] Juski: actually you can't exactly use mythmusic...
[16:15:08] J-e-f-f-A: Juski: You could if the menus were setup properly...  ;-)
[16:15:20] belarm: oh, it works, Juski...
[16:15:28] Sebulba02: I use mythmusic
[16:15:33] Juski: it works.. lol. by the skin of its teeth
[16:15:43] belarm: i am seriously considering writing a replacement for it
[16:16:03] Juski: anyone who makes mythmusic nice will win a lot of friends
[16:16:05] belarm: because, in all honesty, i prefer mpg123
[16:16:07] laga: belarm: please do it
[16:16:11] briand: i've never set up mythmusic... i have a 40G mp3 player that houses about a quarter of my mp3's at any given time
[16:16:33] belarm: hey...i said nothing about making it nice...everything i write tends to be the perfect fusion of function and function
[16:16:41] Juski: might be more worthwhile waiting til mythdvd & mythvideo are pulled together, then add mythmusic to that
[16:17:16] belarm: i don't know, Juski. music playback requires a lot of different functionality than video, generally
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[16:17:38] Juski: belarm: think about it. add playlisting to mythvideo & it's almost there
[16:17:45] Juski: then you can also play music videos
[16:18:26] belarm: actually, Juski, most of the features I'd like to see in a music player (such as an EQ) would be well-received in a video player, too
[16:18:49] Juski: EQ, compressor....
[16:19:08] belarm: since my speaker system has no EQ, it'd be nice to be able to boost the vocal ranges in most movies
[16:19:22] belarm: ...it is something to consider
[16:20:02] Juski: set your centre level up properly & you don't need EQ for 2.5khz
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[16:20:11] belarm: okay, so my problem was not, in fact, solved...seems the game scanner doesn't get the CRC's for roms, even with indepth scanning turned on
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[16:21:06] Juski: time for some sandwiches & watching a load of Simpsons reruns I think. today has been shit
[16:21:21] belarm: i'm just saying it'd be nice to be able to quickly adjust it on a movie-by-movie basis...maybe even save presets in the database for them
[16:21:25] Juski: at least I got my car fixed though
[16:26:28] laga: Juski: you know it will break again.
[16:29:04] Ibeam: wiki's still down...
[16:30:03] Ibeam: i'm trying to get my audio from the audio tuner to get picked up by mythtv
[16:30:23] Ibeam: ^analog tuner
[16:31:32] Ibeam: the bt87x driver and btaudio have been loaded but the card doesn't seem to use it
[16:35:17] Ibeam: my second problem is mythfrontend doesn't like changing channels on my Wintv-pci tuner ie, changing the channel once or twice then mythtv gives up, the DVB cards work perfectly
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[16:41:51] briand: for those looking for the wiki — try it now.
[16:42:09] briand: (Ibeam, et al)
[16:43:21] mcD_ho: big sweat hi from the jungle-simulator
[16:44:05] Ibeam: nice, thank you to whom ever pressed the red button
[16:44:06] J-e-f-f-A: Humph... It seems that the redhat 'system-config-netboot' utility 'cleans' the diskless fstab file of the / entry...
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[16:49:09] difeta: does anybody know if .20 packages exist for dapper yet?
[16:50:32] belarm: sounds very like redhat, J-e-f-f-A
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[16:54:05] J-e-f-f-A: belarm: Any ideas where I should go from here????
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[16:55:19] belarm: unfortunately not, J-e-f-f-A ...i've never done vanilla netboot in redhat
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[16:55:43] J-e-f-f-A: belarm: How about "Chocolate" ;-)
[16:55:50] belarm: though you should be able to just edit the fstab file under whichever directory you're exporting for /
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[16:56:06] jams: nero- http://knoppmythwiki.org/
[16:56:11] belarm: lol...no, not chocolate, either, only LTSP, and that was a long time ago
[16:57:39] ** J-e-f-f-A *bang* *bang* *bang*  — Ouch, it hurts when you hit your head against your desk!!! ;-) **
[16:58:39] Sebulba02: heh
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[17:00:28] psofa: are the recording profiles saved per frontend or its the same for all frontends?
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[17:01:06] J-e-f-f-A: psofa: I'd guess it's common — since the 'frontend' has no need for a recording profile — that's a 'backend' function...
[17:01:33] psofa: i think i just asked something really stupid
[17:01:35] psofa: xD
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[17:05:33] psofa: when i record something which recording profile gets activated? "default" or "livetv"
[17:06:01] jams: bah fix one thing break another
[17:06:21] J-e-f-f-A: psofa: Unless you change it when you set it to record, the "Default". If you watch live TV, then it records using the "Live TV" profile.  ;-)
[17:06:49] J-e-f-f-A: psofa: And if you hit "R" while watching "Live TV", it records using the "Live TV" profile...
[17:06:55] psofa: that explains the crappy recordings :)
[17:08:26] Dagmar: Dude
[17:08:30] Dagmar: lol
[17:08:54] Dagmar: I would think that it should be _perfectly obvious_ that the "Live TV" settings are what it uses when you're watching Live TV
[17:09:26] Dagmar: ...and by now everyone should be familiar with the concept that there's no "just" watching television. If you're watching, it's spooling a recording.
[17:09:35] briand: Dagmar: regarding our last conversation — I think the full-screen alpha channel OSD program guide might be specific to the PVR-350's TV-Out... perhaps why you had never seen it.
[17:09:47] Dagmar: You would complain more if you were watching TV and it insisted on using the highest quality all the time...
[17:10:05] briand: ..especially if you had limited disk space. :)
[17:10:11] Dagmar: ...or better yet if you told it to go ahead and keep something you were watching and then it recorded the _rest_ of that program with different encoder settings
[17:10:23] Dagmar: briand: Very possibly
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[17:13:28] nero: I havent kept up to date.. is the mythstream plugin the only way to get streaming audio, or can it be done through mythmusic now?
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[17:14:36] jams: mythmusic does not have that
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[17:16:26] briand: Dagmar: it looks like danielk made some changes to videoout_ivtv.cpp last February, and that may have some bearing on the OSD guide display on the PVR-350.. I've sent him an email (he didn't have a 350 to test on, apparently)
[17:16:27] nero: thanks jams .. somehwere I thought I heard rumors that it did now.. but no worries..
[17:17:10] jams: might be thinking of the iptv support added to myth
[17:17:25] jams: or maybe that was planned for the mythmusic rewrite
[17:17:28] nero: maybe thats what it is..
[17:17:40] nero: no worries.. I'll just compile the mythstream plugin.
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[17:34:43] artus30: Hi all
[17:34:52] artus30: short question
[17:35:09] artus30: can I use the internal remote from my dvb-s card for mythtv?
[17:35:16] artus30: and if yes how? Do I need lirc?
[17:38:10] xris: artus30: you'll almost always (99.99% of the time) need lirc to use a remote
[17:38:18] xris: and it should theoretically work
[17:41:57] artus30: ok
[17:43:37] Igg-man: Does anyone know what could be causing this error: mythsocket.h:79: error: `QMutex' does not name a type
[17:43:49] Igg-man: I'm trying to compile svn version of mythtv
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[18:10:11] moto125: Hey if anyone could help me i'd appreciate it. my video and sound are choppy on watching live tv and recordings, apparently this is because in xvinfo it says "no adapters found". where do i get an adapter
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[18:11:24] J-e-f-f-A: moto125: Sounds like you're using the VESA video driver. What is the model of your video card?
[18:11:37] moto125: radeon 9550
[18:12:18] J-e-f-f-A: moto125: Yuck... (imho!)  — You probably need to install the ATI video drivers.
[18:12:57] moto125: thats the problem, i installed them, but still no adapters found
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[18:14:33] J-e-f-f-A: moto125: Is your 'xorg.conf' file setup to use the ATI driver?
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[18:15:29] moto125: J-e-f-f-A: i didn't do it manually, where is xorg.conf located
[18:15:50] Juski: /etc/X11 usually
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[18:16:09] J-e-f-f-A: moto125: On my FC4 system it's /etc/X11/xorg.conf — I think it's the same for other distros too...
[18:17:21] moto125: that doesn't exist on my knoppmyth system... i'll look around for it
[18:17:24] J-e-f-f-A: moto125: Should be in the 'Section "Device"' — 'Identifier "Videocard0"' ...
[18:17:45] Juski: oh yeah knoppmyth is still using xfree
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[18:18:19] moto125: so what do i need to check?
[18:18:27] Juski: /etc/xfree86/somethingorother
[18:18:43] J-e-f-f-A: moto125: The "Driver" entry should say something along the lines of ATI, not "vesa"...
[18:18:46] Juski: or search the knoppmyth wiki
[18:19:43] Door: I have a blue border on my tv when watching tv, I have tried to do xvattr -a XV_COLORKEY -v 66048 but i get error xvattr: Couldn't open display I am using fedora core 5 updated and a nvidia 5200
[18:20:11] laga: DISPLAY=:0 xvattr...
[18:20:16] Juski: Door: so don't do it from a remote login, or do this: export DISPLAY=:0
[18:20:52] Door: if that is it i will feel like an idiot
[18:21:01] Juski: feel free
[18:21:41] laga: don't worry, there's lots of idiots in here.
[18:21:42] laga: ;)
[18:22:06] ** J-e-f-f-A and lots of I D 1 0 T 's here too... (ID ten T)  ;-) **
[18:22:11] Juski: my forehead is seriously bruised after trying to upgrade today
[18:22:30] J-e-f-f-A: Juski: As is mine, from trying to get PXE booting to work!
[18:22:54] laga: mine too.
[18:23:17] Juski: and I can't put in the kind of late nights I used to, so I'm limited to weekends now. If it can't be figured out in a few hours I can't do it
[18:23:43] ** J-e-f-f-A thinks he'll switch to booting off an IDE-attached CF card... **
[18:23:49] Juski: maybe next weekend...
[18:23:56] Juski: oh no I'm away next weekend :)
[18:24:23] Juski: I might be able to reconfigure the ubuntu package thingy to NOT use the stupid ass installer stuff
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[18:26:40] laga: Juski: what exactly was your problem with the ubuntu packages?
[18:27:00] Door: ok i am an idiot thanks, silly me doing everything through a remote terminal
[18:27:35] Juski: laga: db stuff.. very very infuriating
[18:27:51] Juski: I know how to fix it after it borks mysql but that's not the point
[18:28:10] nero: anyone here get mythstream working with post 0.20 svn?
[18:28:24] Juski: nero: mythstream or mythstreamtv ?
[18:28:36] nero: Juski, mythstream- the streaming feed viewer.
[18:28:43] nero: (i.e. internet radio for mythtv)
[18:28:49] Juski: it's in minimyth, so somebody did
[18:29:09] nero: humm.. this is driving me nuts.. it compiles fine, but will no longer play any streams..
[18:31:09] laga: i've heard there is a shoutcast patch for mythmusic. maybe you could try that
[18:31:26] laga: Juski: BTW, do you know that your theme uses *lots* of RAM? :)
[18:32:05] Juski: yesh. I also know it's not validated against 0.20
[18:32:18] laga: ok. ;)
[18:32:41] Juski: says so on the site
[18:33:00] nero: humm.. does shoutcast = streaming mp3s? (i.e. .m3u files downloaded to start a stream?)
[18:33:07] laga: you know i don't read manuals.
[18:33:09] nero: or is it a different format?
[18:33:13] laga: nero: i had that impression, but i dunno.
[18:33:43] nero: there are just 2 internet radio stations the wife loves.. were working fine before I upgraded.. now the wife is getting antsy.. and the WAF is starting to plummet..
[18:33:43] Juski: well time for pizza. less time to mull over 0.20 sucking
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[18:44:17] Paladine: 0.20 doesn't suck
[18:44:22] Paladine: works fine for most people
[18:44:30] Paladine: certainly works frine for me
[18:45:33] Ibeam: i've failed to find a useful fix for my current problem with mythtv
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[18:46:25] claybo: Hey everyone. I was curious if anyone here is running 0.20, is using XvMC, and has good HD playback and internal DVD playback capabilities?
[18:46:55] Ibeam: the audio from my analog card (plugged into the line-in of the soundcard) does not get recorded or processed by mythtv, is there a way to specifiy the line in as the audio dev?
[18:47:37] Juski: Ibeam: you specify the audio recording device in mythtv, but select which channel gets recorded in your linux mixer panel
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[18:48:37] Ibeam: Juski: do i need to mute the line-in?
[18:48:42] Juski: yep
[18:48:48] Juski: like it says in the official docs
[18:48:50] Ibeam: Juski: i'll try it now, thank you
[18:48:56] Paladine: lbeam, in other words, you need to set linein as the capture device in your mixer (probably alsamixer)
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[18:49:20] Juski: the device is the soundcard, not the input
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[18:51:33] Paladine: Juski that was pathetically pedantic
[18:51:43] Juski: Paladine: yah boo
[18:52:06] Paladine: just muting his line-in will not fix his problem
[18:52:30] Paladine: he needs to set his line-in as the capture and then mute it in the playback config of alsamixer
[18:52:34] Juski: Ibeam: you specify the audio recording device in mythtv, but select which channel gets recorded in your linux mixer panel
[18:52:50] ** Ibeam nods **
[18:52:59] Ibeam: yes, i understood
[18:53:09] Juski: I realise you did, Ibeam
[18:53:11] Juski: ;)
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[18:53:40] Ibeam: this is my 3rd tuner card, by my first analog one , so i was a little unsure
[18:53:43] Ibeam: :P
[18:54:06] Ibeam: s/by/but
[18:54:16] Juski: what's with ivtvctl assuming your pvr card is /dev/video0 anyway?
[18:54:38] Juski: thank $deity for its -d option
[18:54:40] Paladine: lbeam one thing I will warn you of, my sounds switched to single channel (left channel only) when using line in in that fashion
[18:55:22] Ibeam: oh ok
[18:55:38] Ibeam: Juski: this is a very old second hand wintv-pci
[18:55:53] Juski: I was asking a rhetorical question ;)
[18:56:04] Paladine: why not use the sound processor on the wintv card?
[18:56:42] Ibeam: i don't think it has one, I loaded the modules for it bt87x
[18:56:43] Juski: not all bttv cards have audio codecs on em
[18:56:55] Ibeam: and btaudio
[18:57:12] ** Ibeam shrugs **
[18:57:47] mcD_ho: does anyone knows ... what drivers Twinhan DTV pci-ca card needs
[18:58:00] Paladine: most bt878 cards have audio, just not all of them have audio-in ports
[18:58:12] Juski: mcD_ho: a look at linuxtv.org will be revealing
[18:59:24] mcD_ho: somehow ... (i have been read those and many more pages in different sites) something still missing ..
[18:59:38] Paladine: lbeam you using coax input for video on your wintv card?
[18:59:56] mcD_ho: I have a two cards .. Technotrend premium and that twinhan
[19:00:29] mcD_ho: when I try those cards in ubuntu .. only technotren works ..
[19:01:06] mcD_ho: in fedora .. both works .. but no in mythtv
[19:02:54] Ibeam: Paladine: I'm using coax (analog cableTV) and the composite (for a satelite box)
[19:03:04] Juski: fedora.. now there's a distro I've never tried in a long time.. .hmmmm
[19:06:26] nero: humm.. looks like the streaming patch for mythmusic was last updated for svn in Feb. 2004.. probably wont work too well now huh?
[19:07:04] Ibeam: nope still not working
[19:07:10] laga:
[19:07:18] mcD_ho: But now ... It's time to throw my brains away and play something .. like AA ... CU
[19:07:31] nero: laga, I thought mythstreamtv was for streaming your video to the web?
[19:07:37] Juski: it is
[19:07:44] laga: ARGH
[19:07:45] nero: I am looking for nabbing music streams..
[19:07:50] laga: sorry, i misread that ://
[19:07:56] nero: no worries.. :)
[19:08:01] Juski: look on the ML for Eskil's shoutcast patch
[19:08:02] laga: nero: look for eskil's posting on mythtv-dev
[19:08:24] laga: i seem to suck today. i put my mythtv box back together and forget to plug in the fan. now it's sitting here to cool down...
[19:08:31] nero: ahhh. ok.. will do! Thanks!
[19:08:52] nero: (was looking at the myth-users list.. doh!)
[19:10:16] Juski: laga: so after giving up on the ubuntu packages I tried to build from source.... seems running ./configure doesn't report what's in config.mak
[19:11:32] nero: ahhh yes!! a current patch.. Thanks guys!!
[19:13:26] Juski: hrm... seems my spare box didn't like falling over today (literally)
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[19:15:05] Juski: power lead had fallen out.. oops
[19:15:10] laga: Juski: seems my not-so-spare box didn't like overheating tonight..
[19:15:35] Juski: I'm gonna practice un-fucking-up the ubuntu installer thing
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[19:16:41] Juski: what do these packages do if you're upgrading anyway? the same thing?
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[19:17:10] laga: do you believe it's the packages fscking with your DB?
[19:18:01] Spicerun: Okay, I've compiled mythtv-plugins and have *.so packages in my /usr/lib directory. What do I need to do to get the mythfrontend package to find them (they aren't showing up on my menu).
[19:18:03] Spicerun: ?
[19:18:29] Juski: laga: yes... put it this way I could log into mysql as root before I installed the packages
[19:18:58] laga: Juski: the packages are not supposed to mess with your DB. not at all. did you install "mythtv-database"?
[19:19:18] Juski: it installs that because it's a dependency
[19:20:02] laga: Juski: you're apt-get install'ing mythtv. try apt-get install mythtv-frontend mythtv-backend libmyth-0.20 mythtv-common.
[19:20:35] laga: i'll take a look at the mythtv-database scripts once my poor mythtv box works again
[19:20:54] Juski: dammit I wish I'd thought of that
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[19:22:09] Juski: it's no bloody wonder so many users have problems setting it up
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[19:22:38] Juski: before I experienced this I'd always kinda scoffed & laughed a bit, thinking people were just being stupid
[19:24:55] laga: debian – juski 1:9
[19:24:58] laga: 1:0 dammit
[19:25:37] Juski: naw I _know_ how to fix it – it just shouldn't be so, though
[19:26:07] laga: i'll look at the source to find out what it is doing
[19:27:54] Juski: there we go... just removed mythtv & all the plugins AND mythtv-database
[19:28:16] Juski: reinstalled everything and ran dpkg-reconfigure mythtv-database...
[19:28:31] Juski: it went off & it changed the mythtv db password
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[19:29:04] Juski: mythtv-setup then failed, loads of qmysql errors. changed the mythtv db user password to mythtv, and lo it works
[19:29:34] Juski: != rocket science but I don't take kindly to installers doing that kind of schidt
[19:29:35] laga: i suppose it happened because you did the mysql < mc.sql manually the first time
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[19:30:27] Juski: heh. tripped up by knowing too much. not for the 1st time
[19:30:49] Juski: like the bit where it makes the mythtv user...
[19:31:13] Juski: I can see why not many people are fired up about making stuff wizard based
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[19:34:39] Juski: I might book Thursday off work & sort this bugger out then.. I'm off Friday anyway
[19:36:04] Juski: at least I can fuck about with stuff like this without breaking anything... the joys of having a spare HDD ;)
[19:38:18] Juski: lol. mythtv-database definitely changes the mythtv user's password.
[19:38:45] Spicerun: Juski: No kidding.
[19:39:12] Spicerun: Juski: I just got the passwords on mine reset to where it is working again.
[19:39:41] Juski: I mean YES it's more secure having a randomised password but...
[19:40:14] laga: less /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt
[19:40:28] Juski: that isn't the point
[19:40:55] laga: heh
[19:41:05] Spicerun: Does anybody know? I've compiled mythtv-plugins and have *.so packages in my /usr/lib directory. What do I need to do to get the mythfrontend package to find them (they aren't showing up on my menu)?
[19:41:33] Juski: I might be wrong but I've never seen it mentioned in any howto that the installer does that, and how to fix it
[19:41:33] moto125: OK, so I have the ATI drivers installed and the device driver settings in XF86Config-4 are set to the ATI drivers, but xvinfo still says that there are no adapters. any ideas anyone?
[19:41:37] laga: wow.
[19:42:11] laga:
[19:42:31] Juski: Spicerun: they have to be the same version as the main mythtv stuff. mixing packages & built from source plugins won't work
[19:42:59] Spicerun: Juski: They are...the latest which I compiled & installed myself.
[19:43:06] laga: Juski: it will, if you build against the same version ;)
[19:43:13] Juski: yeah IF...
[19:43:16] ** laga loves being a smartass **
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[19:43:24] Juski: !trout laga smartass
[19:43:24] ** MythLogBot slaps laga with a smartass trout on behalf of Juski... **
[19:43:37] Juski: Spicerun: anyway... humm....
[19:45:49] Spicerun: Only version difference is mythtv-plugins-0.20a which I know is working, otherwise I wouldn't be able to record, the other tarballs were mythtv*-0.20.
[19:46:07] Juski: different version!
[19:46:14] Anduin: Spicerun: /usr/lib/mythtv/plugins contains useful things?
[19:46:34] Anduin: 0.20a isn't different, it was just 0.20+mythweb fix
[19:46:48] Juski: Spicerun: mythfrontend will report if the plugins are the wrong versions, FYI – check
[19:47:19] Anduin: Spicerun: Though if you are building you should just build from -fixes, the tar ball releases are just released for comedy.
[19:47:22] laga: you can also force mythtv to run a plugin – just start it like "mythfrontend mythmusic"
[19:47:28] laga: Anduin: true. :/
[19:47:45] Juski: for comedy?
[19:47:51] Anduin: as in a joke
[19:48:04] Juski: someone get money from mailing list traffic or something?
[19:48:29] Juski: not a very funny joke, then
[19:48:58] Juski: sounds more like a middle-finger salute to me
[19:49:28] Anduin: Actual releases are nice, but the tar files are only updated during a release... which isn't that often.
[19:50:24] Anduin: Luckily there will actually be a .1 release this time
[19:50:34] laga: Anduin: that's what you say
[19:50:52] laga: ;)
[19:51:15] Juski: people in different areas have said it'd be nice for mythtv to have a community manager.. then I pointed them at the ML posts where people have said the same...
[19:51:59] laga: it might sound like i'm complaining a lot today, but the new internal DVD player doesn't work too well for me :)
[19:52:05] laga: should get some bug reports in
[19:52:33] Anduin: If it isn't in trac it doesn't exist.
[19:52:44] Juski: I'd put a bug report in about the .configure issue if I could be bothered. actually the real reason is that I don't want to be shouted at
[19:53:00] laga: Anduin: true.
[19:53:02] Anduin: Juski: You are invalid
[19:53:16] ** laga closes Juski **
[19:54:43] Juski: wooo... from having no mythtv or database to working, watchable mythtv in like 5 minutes
[19:54:44] Anduin: Juski: What do you mean by "doesn't report what is in config.mak"?
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[19:56:31] Juski: Anduin: right. I built mythtv, all went okay, fine etc.. then tried to build the plugins. plugins failed to build with an error about xvmc something or other, so I went back & decided to compile mythtv with xvmc support. Again that didn't work, so this time I ran make distclean & re-ran configure again without xvmc enabled. thing is until I said --disable-xvmc, config.mak still had xvmc enabled despite ./configure rep
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[19:57:29] Juski: would that be a bug or would it be my fault for not knowing the ins and outs of the build system?
[19:58:25] Juski: apart from not being able to build mythtv on ubuntu with xvmc, I mean...
[19:58:47] Dagmar: That would be a failure to `make clean` when changing a configuration
[19:58:53] Spicerun: ok, found my problem.  :(
[19:58:54] Dagmar: No big deal.
[19:59:19] Juski: make clean? I thought distclean did that already
[19:59:23] Juski: doh!
[19:59:44] Dagmar: If you did that step, then the autotools setup there is broken
[19:59:55] Spicerun: I forgot to compile mythtv with the same prefix as the other mythtv packages, so mythtv is looking in /usr/local rather than in /usr/lib.
[20:00:00] Anduin: Dagmar: myth doesn't actually use autotools
[20:00:06] Dagmar: Probably the fact that there's a config.mak, which is not normally present...
[20:00:10] Spicerun: Time to recompile with everyone on the same page.
[20:00:35] Juski: so what _was_ the problem then? a bug or a step I missed out?
[20:00:50] Anduin: Juski: config.mak should be written each time you run configure, did you try to build as different users (just wondering if there was a perms issue)
[20:01:06] Dagmar: Juski: It's a bug
[20:01:12] Spicerun: It was looking for plugins in /usr/local/lib/mythtv/plugins, but I had compiled/installed plugins in /usr/lib/mythtv/plugins
[20:01:19] Dagmar: clean/distclean *should* clear out configuration elements
[20:01:24] Juski: Anduin: I was doing everything as the user who owned the directory the source lived in
[20:01:33] Spicerun: THanks.
[20:02:11] Anduin: Spicerun: You have some old files sitting somewhere, it should have failed to build without the right prefix in the plugins
[20:02:28] Juski: so it wasn't a permissions issue. I even resorted to deleting the directory & checking it all out again & it was still the same
[20:02:46] Spicerun: Anduin: I've been getting rid of them...the original mythtv-0.19 install I had from Gentoo.
[20:02:48] Anduin: Juski: and it isn't on some vfat fs?
[20:02:58] Juski: but config.mak is a symlink to somewhere, I noticed
[20:03:05] Juski: Anduin: no.. ext3
[20:03:30] Anduin: Juski: Yeah it is symlinked to the real file libs/libmyth/mythconfig.mak
[20:03:50] Spicerun: Anduin: BTW, in troubleshooting all of this, I find that the mythplugins-0.20 from Gentoo are mismatched using Protocol 30 when everything else is using protocol 31.
[20:04:16] Dagmar: Juski: I *think* I know why it was doing that
[20:04:21] Anduin: Spicerun: Yeah I don't Gentoo, though I though Cardoe had fixed that.
[20:04:24] Dagmar: The default is to enable xvmc
[20:04:30] laga: Spicerun: 0.20 has protocol 30, release-0-20-fixes has 31. :/
[20:04:31] Spicerun: One of the many reasons I'm slowly ditching gentoo.
[20:04:36] Juski: Dagmar: it's not the default at all
[20:04:44] Dagmar: So yeah, until you said --disable-xvmc...
[20:04:48] Spicerun: LabMonkey: Nice to know, thanks.
[20:04:56] Dagmar: Juski: I just ran it here with no args
[20:05:02] Dagmar: CONFIG_MPEG_XVMC_DECODER=yes
[20:05:02] Dagmar: CONFIG_MPEG_XVMC_VLD_DECODER=yes
[20:05:04] Spicerun: I meant laga
[20:05:05] Juski: xvmc is disabled by default here
[20:05:15] Juski: or at least ./configure reports it is
[20:05:16] Anduin: Juski: Only if the search fails.
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[20:05:35] Dagmar: What are you using for xvmc?
[20:05:36] Juski: what?
[20:05:48] Dagmar: It *looks* for a compatible xvmc by default
[20:05:59] Dagmar: If it can't find one it disables it.
[20:06:14] Juski: would be using nvidia libs, which of course is handled by the venerable ubuntu xvmc wrapper
[20:06:37] laga: Spicerun: release-0-20-fixes is nothing official :)
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[20:07:20] Juski: when I was trying to get xvmc to work, I made /etc/X11/XvMCConfig with the right line in it – still no dice
[20:07:21] Dagmar: Now what I don't get is *where* it's managing to do that
[20:07:35] Dagmar: You odn't have an nVidia card?
[20:07:38] Anduin: Yeah, I don't see it either
[20:07:39] Juski: I do
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[20:07:54] Juski: mx4000 in that box
[20:08:02] Dagmar: It does a check for XvMCNVIDIA right at about line 2450
[20:08:08] Juski: nvidia drivers loaded too
[20:08:24] Dagmar: elif has_library libXvMCNVIDIA ; then blah blah
[20:08:53] Dagmar: Not exactly the brightest check in the world, but maybe that thing isn't in your ld_library_path perhaps?
[20:09:04] codword: Hey all — Just installing mythtv 0.20 (latest from atrpms.net) and mythtvsetup comes up with a broken font??? garbage characters on my screen.. I can move around with arrow keys but have no idea waht I'm doing.. Anyone run into that problem ?
[20:09:26] Digerati--: how difficult is the manual install of knoppmyth if you have a 200gig sata drive
[20:09:27] Juski: Dagmar: I'd imagine it _should_ be by default
[20:10:13] Juski: anyway I'm going to bed. g'night
[20:10:17] Anduin: Juski: if you can reproduce send me the configure output and config.mak, I can't see how it would happen (the other xvmc check rely on the global xvmc variable being "yes" it is "no" by default)
[20:10:20] Dagmar: I'll betcha it's not
[20:10:34] Dagmar: I'm guessing your distro sets the path differently when you login through X
[20:11:31] codword: :(
[20:11:33] Dagmar: ...as in it's probably not bothering with having /usr/X11R6/lib maybe is being handled by LD_LIBRARY_PATH. It's about the only thing that should throw it
[20:11:40] Dagmar: I mean it's *really* not a bright check
[20:11:41] Anduin: codword: A few, bad font substitution, I think that is Arial
[20:13:14] codword: Anduin: in my case, I'm building a backend-only server that does not have an X11 server running on it.. I'm sending the display to another cmoputer which has an X server running on it
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[20:13:24] codword: I've always done myth installs this way (been using myth for a long time)
[20:13:50] codword: I've tried starnet x-win32 and also knoppix 5.0 as X-servers... doesnt matter.. still garbage font when mythtvsetup runs
[20:15:24] codword: I'm wondering if its guessing my language wrong or something..
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[20:22:32] codword: Fixed. nevermind :)
[20:22:41] laga: what was it?
[20:22:42] codword: installed Type1 and truetype fonts rpms and fixed my problem
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[20:22:53] codword: not sure which one fixed it, I installed'em both at the same time
[20:23:05] Anduin: truetype
[20:23:44] codword: knoppix 5 makes a really nice temporary x server :)
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[20:26:12] codword: Any of you guys using xbmcmythtv ? :)
[20:26:28] nuonguy: Dagmar: I've had exactly the same trouble building mythplugins
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[20:26:40] nuonguy: I'm using Fedora 4
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[20:30:18] hjohnson: so aparently my roommate found some reasonably priced active VGA Baluns
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[20:44:25] codword: MainServer::HandleVersion – Client speaks protocol version 30 but we speak 31!
[20:44:27] codword: woe is me :)
[20:45:02] jams: nero- is your break over =)
[20:46:02] nero: my break?? my break from what?
[20:47:05] ** nero wonders if he was supposed to get a break? **
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[20:48:57] jams: the break you were taking after finishing your dissertat
[20:48:57] jams: ion
[20:49:20] nero: oh.. that break.. When did that happen?? they got me back to work the next day.. :/
[20:49:26] jams: no joke
[20:49:30] jams: wow
[20:49:34] nero: serious as a heart attack.
[20:49:35] seth|laptop: man it takes a while to build .20 from source on knoppmyth
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[20:49:49] ** seth|laptop is reminded of his gentoo days **
[20:49:51] nero: seth|laptop, it takes a while to build any of the last 5–6 releases.. ;)
[20:50:12] seth|laptop: heh :-)
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[20:52:40] laga: mytharchive doesn't seem too bad anymore. looks like ffmpeg can almost do realtime encoding to the EP profile on my celeron 2.4
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[20:55:02] Cardoe: Anduin: Spicerun: It's been fixed for about 48 hrs.
[20:55:40] Cardoe: Spicerun: go use another distros packages.. oh wait.. no other distro ships the packages... it's other repos.
[20:56:01] Cardoe: Spicerun: an no other distro has the patches packaged
[20:56:35] k9wkj: anyone have a clue how to map specific xmltvid's to a specific channel?
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[20:57:24] laga: k9wkj: you can do that in the channel editor in mythtv-setup or in mythweb
[20:57:37] k9wkj: but it isnt working
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[20:57:58] laga: "it isnt working". *sigh*
[20:57:59] k9wkj: these channels are coming in on my distribution system
[20:58:27] k9wkj: and adding the xmltvid to the channel info isntr picking it up
[20:58:36] Anduin: Cardoe: My only hesitance in not insisting you absolutely had it fixed is that I don't Gentoo
[21:00:15] Cardoe: Anduin: I know. I was just saying I had fixed it.
[21:00:19] Cardoe: :)
[21:01:30] k9wkj: these channels are coming in on my distribution system on odd channels scifi from my 4dtv on ch 43 and space channel on ch 37
[21:03:18] jcsmith: hi all, has anyone gotten the included init scripts for .20 to work in ubuntu dapper?
[21:06:17] nero: jams, how's the installer coming?
[21:06:19] Anduin: k9wkj: Using DataDirect?
[21:06:30] k9wkj: yes i am
[21:06:52] Anduin: k9wkj: There isn't a lineup that actually matches?
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[21:13:51] Aid`: .
[21:19:21] k9wkj: yes there is a line up that matches but not for channel 37 and 43
[21:19:56] k9wkj: i put the xmltvid in the scaned channel and it wont wont show any data
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[21:22:10] laga: anyone got xmltv 0.5.44 packaged for debian sarge? http://cedar-solutions.com/debian.html is down :/
[21:22:27] jams: nero- major problems at work, have not had time to work on it
[21:22:56] jams: only thing I have done today is fix a kernel oops on the install
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[21:25:48] nero: gotcha jams.. those pesky work problems.. :)
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[21:26:22] jams: yesterday was a 16 day
[21:29:01] nero: dayumn..
[21:29:07] nero: that would be no fun at all..
[21:29:12] nero: (sounds like my dissertation writing days.. lol)
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[21:43:50] nero: Juski and Laga- Thanks again for pointing me to that streaming patch. I have it applied, and working, and the WAF has just gone back up to a happy level.. :)
[21:45:37] laga: :)
[21:46:56] jams: oh yeah totally forgot about that patch
[21:47:05] jams: oops
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[21:50:52] nero: is there any intention to eventually include it in mythmusic? Its pretty slick..
[21:51:02] laga: dunno
[21:51:36] nero: even as is, it is very usable.. though I can think of a few things that would make it a bit more user friendly (I cant figure out how to enter in new streams other than manually through the database)
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[22:06:17] jonK: anyone around to help me with lvm and jfs?
[22:08:05] jonK: guess not...
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[22:11:04] jcsmith: ...i am rebuilding my mythtv box today and i'm almost done, except that i can't get my remote to work, it appears to be working fine when i view the keys lircd is recieving when i use irw but nothing ever happens inside of myth. any ideas?
[22:12:31] jonK: have you set up an lircrc file for mythtv?
[22:12:49] jcsmith: yup
[22:12:54] jcsmith: same one i was using before :-D
[22:13:06] Hoxzer_: you should check that nothing else is using your ir-receiver
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[22:13:24] jcsmith: Hoxzer_: how would go about that?
[22:13:55] Hoxzer_: fuser /dev/lirc
[22:15:26] jcsmith: doesn't give me anything
[22:15:31] Hoxzer_: hmm
[22:16:04] jcsmith: for some reason on my system it keeps using /dev/lirc0, do i have to configure that somewhere in myth?
[22:16:24] Hoxzer_: it should be alright
[22:16:47] Hoxzer_: maybe check dmesg
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[22:17:22] jcsmith: i have, and there isn't anything unsual looking in there
[22:17:31] jcsmith: its really got me buffaloed right now
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[22:18:37] Hoxzer_: do you have serial ir-receiver?
[22:20:03] Hoxzer_: if you use debian http://knoppmythwiki.org/index.php?page=LIRCHowTo you can find this helpful
[22:20:10] jcsmith: no, its part of my pvr150
[22:21:17] Hoxzer_: ok, I haven't done anything with ir-receivers which are intergrated to tv-card
[22:21:48] jcsmith: alright, thanks Hoxzer_, i'm pretty sure the ir-receiver is working tho, since irw sees the commands, but who knows :-(
[22:22:02] AngryElf: does anyone here have any experience configuring alsa/digital sound?
[22:22:24] Juski: well, since I can't fscking sleep.. might have another stab at upgrading to 0.20
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[22:24:36] laga: heh
[22:24:39] laga: sleep is for the weak
[22:24:55] ** laga is backporting xmltv 0.5.44 to sarge now :/ **
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[22:25:17] Juski: backporting always sounds like what you're supposed to do with a suppository
[22:26:18] Juski: IF I can get mythtv working this time, and minimyth booting up, I can spend tomorrow tweaking it
[22:27:17] laga: heh
[22:27:23] laga: that's what i thought last weekend
[22:27:28] laga: still tweaking mythtv...
[22:27:32] Juski: Anduin: I'll try the ./configure thing & show you the config.mak
[22:27:43] laga: i upgraded the box from 256mb to 512mb ram today. now it's flying.
[22:28:19] Juski: though since xvmc is enabled by default (!!!!!!!) I might have to forget about building it myself. it's a chore working around ubuntu's xvmc wrapper
[22:28:32] laga: i managed to fsck up my raid1 today. only one disk is active now. i suppose i shouldn't have hot-unplugged the dat streamer
[22:29:10] Juski: whoopsie
[22:29:38] xris: Juski: someone mentioned that you have demo videos for showing mythtv at trade shows.
[22:29:50] Juski: I have A video, yes
[22:29:53] xris: I think we'll get a presence at linuxfest next spring; would be nice to have some stuff.
[22:30:02] xris: good enough. better than showing off my wedding videos. heh
[22:30:05] Juski: http://www.mythtvtalk.com/ProjectGrayhem/videos
[22:30:20] Juski: something like LWmythpromo.mpg
[22:30:28] Juski: PAL, 720x576 mpeg2
[22:30:43] Juski: 720x576i btw ;)
[22:31:07] Juski: I missed out the 'skip commercials' bit cos it's primarily for a UK showing
[22:31:21] xris: heh
[22:31:41] xris: I'll bug you again about it in a few months. just wanted to touch base and find out if you actually had something
[22:32:11] Juski: I ended up having to redo it, cos I didn't have a version without the linuxtag or lugradiolive logos burnt into it
[22:32:31] Juski: and of course I couldn't possibly keep all the source material ;)
[22:32:33] jonK: woot! 929gb in myth folder
[22:33:42] jonK: think of all the saved by the bell I can record
[22:35:19] Juski: <shudder>
[22:35:53] laga: wtf. my own apt repo still doesn't work properly
[22:36:32] Juski: Anduin: http://pastebin.ca/187234 and YES in config.mak I have CONFIG_MPEG_XVMC_DECODER=yes & CONFIG_MPEG_XVMC_VLD_DECODER=yes
[22:36:46] ** xris ponders the best way to get all of the xmltv channel logos **
[22:37:00] Juski: hard manual slog ;)
[22:37:05] xris: yeah, that's my fear
[22:39:43] lostboy1: is "record weekly" the same as "record on same day same timeslot"?
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[22:40:12] xris: lostboy1: no. I think it records one new episode each week
[22:41:00] laga: xris: tv_grab_de_tvtoday provides channel logos
[22:42:04] lostboy1: i am loosing WAF... she setup all her programs for "Record in this timeslot every week" for her shows, and all inital recordings worked, but none of the upcoming episods are scheduled to record
[22:42:08] xris: laga: can you send me the xml file it generates?
[22:42:37] KaZeR: hey there.
[22:42:57] laga: xris: sure. as soon as i get my apt repository to behave. and backport xmltv. :)
[22:43:12] laga: xris: you want one with all channels?
[22:43:13] xris: heh
[22:43:17] xris: laga: yeah
[22:43:21] laga: ok
[22:43:37] xris: I'm building a master list. would like to write an app that lives on mythtv.org where you query a callsign and get an image URL back
[22:43:48] laga: that would be awesome
[22:43:53] xris: yeah
[22:43:54] KaZeR: i can't exports shows anymore with nuvexport. i get a segfault on my two backends. anyone has a clue?
[22:43:57] xris: I already have most of it done
[22:44:08] xris: KaZeR: svn mythtv?
[22:44:19] KaZeR: xris, nop, latest release
[22:44:24] KaZeR: mythtv-0.20_p11281
[22:44:26] KaZeR: (gentoo)
[22:44:29] ** Juski drops the database & imports the backup from 0.19-fixes **
[22:44:35] xris: KaZeR: https://svn.forevermore.net/nuvexport/wiki/debug
[22:44:46] KaZeR: thanks, i'm having a look
[22:44:58] KaZeR: xris, yeah i tried that.
[22:45:02] xris: and?
[22:45:06] KaZeR: and i just got a segfault
[22:45:14] xris: what's segfaulting? mythtranscode or ffmpeg/transcode/whatever?
[22:45:17] KaZeR: Press [q] to stop encoding
[22:45:17] KaZeR: Erreur de segmentation
[22:45:19] KaZeR: ffmpeg
[22:45:23] Juski: laga: decided if you can't beat em... ;)
[22:45:29] xris: KaZeR: could just be a broken ffmpeg?
[22:45:42] KaZeR: i tried too with mencoder and transcode, same thing
[22:45:47] Juski: on ubuntu? ffmpeg comes crippled
[22:46:13] KaZeR: Juski, gentoo. and ffmpeg works fine otherwise, i can exports various things to 3gp / mp4
[22:46:19] KaZeR: s/ts/t
[22:46:38] Juski: was ffmpeg built with the right codec support though?
[22:47:00] KaZeR: i think so : media-video/ffmpeg-0.4.9_p20060530 USE="aac amr encode mmx ogg oss threads v4l x264 xvid zlib -a52 -debug -doc -dts -ieee1394 -imlib -network -sdl -test -theora -truetype -vorbis"
[22:47:04] xris: KaZeR: all I know is that I suddenly have all kinds of wacky audio problems when I try to use nuvexport, and I think it has something to do with some recent change in svn. shouldn't affect the fixes branch, though, and I don't actually segfault
[22:47:21] xris: man, no distro seems to use the latest ffmpeg.
[22:47:36] laga: Juski: you get weird stuff if you combine images.google.com with "suppository"
[22:47:42] Juski: maybe it's a CFLAG thing too
[22:47:54] KaZeR: xris, i tried with manually setting the fifo, and a basic ffmpeg command to encode only video without any filters, same thing
[22:48:02] Honk^gone: KaZeR: did you check bugs.gentoo.org? maybe it's a common problem =)
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[22:48:21] xris: KaZeR: I hate the quote the ffmpeg guys on this one, but you should try using a more recent version.
[22:48:22] KaZeR: Juski, CFLAGS="-O2 -march=athlon-xp -fomit-frame-pointer" (default one)
[22:48:40] KaZeR: xris, ok thanks, on my way
[22:49:22] KaZeR: Honk^gone, i had a look earlier today, but didn't find anything
[22:49:24] Juski: what I mean is, I don't have a fucking clue about CFLAGS, but some stuff I found on gentoo had issues with mmx being enabled (or not properly enabled) like mjpegtools
[22:49:42] KaZeR: xris, are you running gentoo?
[22:49:44] xris: no
[22:49:47] xris: fedora
[22:49:52] xris: had to build my own package.
[22:49:53] Juski: lordy this import is taking forever
[22:49:59] xris: I'm amazed that gentoo us using such an old one, though.
[22:50:09] KaZeR: Juski, thanks, never thought of an mmx issue
[22:50:21] Juski: yeh since they more or less force you to upgrade every so often
[22:50:27] Juski: guntoo
[22:50:32] KaZeR: i have a ffmpeg-0.4.9_p20060816 lying in portage
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[22:50:44] Juski: yoo vill upgrade to xorg seffen point oh
[22:50:55] xris: KaZeR: that's at least somewhat more recent. should be recent enough for the bulk of the good changes.
[22:51:15] xris: they changed the commandline parameters a couple of weeks ago — it's been a pain to keep nuvexport compatible with all versions.
[22:51:28] Juski: last time I played with nuvexport I didn't have any issues, but then I was using the latest ffmpeg at the time
[22:51:45] Honk^gone: nuvexport works fine with the ffmpeg in portage though ;)
[22:52:01] Juski: says you
[22:52:12] Juski: YMMV
[22:52:12] Honk^gone: cuz it works ;)
[22:52:15] D-side: works great here. :)
[22:52:23] KaZeR: Honk^gone, lucky you :) i'm unable to export my shows for some weeks now
[22:52:32] D-side: but... I've only output to h.264 (ipod) so far
[22:52:42] Honk^gone: KaZeR: well.. you did re-emerge ffmpeg, didnt you?
[22:52:44] Honk^gone: did ya strace?
[22:52:48] KaZeR: D-side, mp4 works for me (at least, yesterday)
[22:53:00] Juski: just out of curiosity, how many gentoo users of 0.20 are there here, and did you have to upgrade to xorg 7.0 if you weren't running it?
[22:53:18] KaZeR: Honk^gone, i did reemerge. and i didn't straced it, because i don't really know how to read it :)
[22:53:26] xris: D-side: then you *definitely* want to upgrade ffmpeg
[22:53:30] Honk^gone: Juski: me for example.. and.. no
[22:53:35] Honk^gone: xorg 7 was there for ages :]
[22:53:35] KaZeR: Juski, i'm running 0.20, and i already was running xorg 7
[22:53:40] xris: oh, wrong person. heh
[22:53:50] D-side: xris: heh.
[22:53:56] Honk^gone: KaZeR: d'oh =)
[22:54:03] D-side: Juski: oof, you know i can't answer that 7.x question.
[22:54:03] Juski: Honk^gone: my gentoo box is on 6.8 & I really (REALLY) don't wanna upgrade
[22:54:14] xris: anyway, it's a must upgrade. esp. since I finally got 640w ipod encodes working last week.
[22:54:15] D-side: an upgrade previously demanded 7, so i put it in.
[22:54:21] Juski: so I'm changing to ubuntu
[22:54:38] D-side: Juski: honestly, a 7.0 upgrade isn't bad if you're talking about only not wanting to reconfigure after.
[22:54:53] D-side: just be a chicken like I and make a quick pkg first, just in case.
[22:54:59] D-side: if this is on the epia, say no more.
[22:55:02] Honk^gone: Juski: why not?
[22:55:05] Juski: pah. just moving to ubuntu
[22:55:19] Juski: because I'm sick to death of gentoo pulling stuff like that on me, that's why
[22:55:20] Honk^gone: mythtv on ubuntu is a pain ;)
[22:55:23] D-side: if its seriously just a fear of the upgrade, thats a complete nonissue.
[22:55:51] Juski: they did it with apache.. took me a long session chatting to an expert in #gentoo
[22:56:09] Juski: I'm not cut out for it
[22:56:35] Honk^gone: well.. good luck with ubuntu ;)
[22:56:37] D-side: yeah. apache from 1 to 2 was a bit of a pain.
[22:56:38] Honk^gone: i failed *g*
[22:56:43] D-side: xorg was just damn easy.
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[22:57:13] Honk^gone: who said you'd need xorg7 anyway?
[22:57:16] Juski: hrm.. old setup had my pvr150 on /dev/video0. now it's on /dev/video2, listed in card setup page in mythtv-setup as MPEG: dev/video0 but in the page it says /dev/video2
[22:57:23] Juski: Honk^gone: emerge -pv said
[22:57:28] Honk^gone: heh
[22:58:04] Juski: I just figured if I'm gonna have to upgrade half the OS I may aswell switch & then only compile what I _want_ to build myself
[22:58:19] D-side: i understand.
[22:58:29] Honk^gone: but you'll have to compile it
[22:58:32] Honk^gone: in gentoo you dont
[22:58:34] Honk^gone: =)
[22:58:35] D-side: don't get me wrong, the LAST thing I'd want to do is tell you to use $distro.
[22:58:59] hads: I installed myth on ubuntu and it was pretty basic.
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[22:59:33] KaZeR: hey men, you made laga left :)
[22:59:59] hads: Honk^gone: What makes you say it's a pain?
[23:00:42] Juski: I tell you what's a pain about mythtv on ubuntu.. and it's the last time I'll moan about it (honest)... what the installer script does
[23:00:59] hads: Juski: Which is?
[23:01:34] Juski: 1. generates a random mythtv db user password
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[23:01:54] hads: Oh, you mean packages?
[23:01:58] Juski: yup
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[23:02:20] D-side: the random idea isnt BAD per se, but it should be an option, NOT the default.
[23:02:20] tonyb2006: where does mythtv keep the videos?
[23:02:28] D-side: tonyb2006: where you tell it to keep the videos.
[23:02:34] tonyb2006: fine
[23:02:36] tonyb2006: in that case
[23:02:39] D-side: so the question is, tony, where did you tell it to put them
[23:02:41] tonyb2006: where do i tell it where to keep the videos
[23:02:49] D-side: where do you want the videos to live?
[23:02:56] tonyb2006: dont care
[23:03:07] tonyb2006: i just want them to live somewhere where i know where they are
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[23:03:21] Juski: so make a directory & tell mythtv they live there
[23:03:27] tonyb2006: HOW do i tell it
[23:03:29] Juski: != rocket science
[23:03:42] tonyb2006: ive been looking throgh the menus for a while
[23:03:52] Juski: in mythfrontend > utils/setup > setup > media settings > video
[23:03:53] D-side: so
[23:03:57] D-side: afk.
[23:04:02] gentoo-user7184: I just install mythtv .19 and i only able to see channels 2,4,5 and a few other local channels
[23:04:08] tonyb2006: Video isn't in "Media Settings"
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[23:04:21] tonyb2006: says
[23:04:22] KaZeR: gentoo-user7184, why not 0.20 ?
[23:04:25] gentoo-user7184: with mplayer i am able to watch all channels i have a pbr 150
[23:04:30] gentoo-user7184: ivtv 0.7
[23:04:39] tonyb2006: Music, DVD, Images, and Games is in there
[23:04:42] KaZeR: gentoo-user7184, channel detection doesn't always find all channels. you made need to specify some by hand
[23:04:43] gentoo-user7184: bc .20 runs at 100% of my cpu all the time
[23:04:48] Juski: tonyb2006: wha? so you've not installed mythvideo then
[23:04:52] tonyb2006: gasp
[23:05:01] gentoo-user7184: well i did a pull from xmltv
[23:05:08] tonyb2006: well
[23:05:10] tonyb2006: that explains alot
[23:05:11] gentoo-user7184: i have nver had this problem before on the same machine
[23:05:12] tonyb2006: thank you
[23:05:49] gentoo-user7184: i had mythtv .20 running and it was using 100% of my cpu all the time.. and i'd stop the backend but it owuld continue to keep running
[23:06:15] gentoo-user7184: tried to fix the problem for i dunno 5–6 day and so i completely removed .20 and emerged .19
[23:06:42] hads: So if it was still using your CPU then you didn't really stop it...
[23:07:03] gentoo-user7184: well /etc/init.d/mythbackend status said it was
[23:07:16] gentoo-user7184: so the was a error somewhere
[23:07:43] gentoo-user7184: and it shouldn't be using 100% anyways.. as the backend wasn;t doing anything
[23:08:02] KaZeR: have you tried running mythbackend from a shell?
[23:08:04] Anduin: Juski: Yeah, that isn't actually set/unset based on --(enable/disable)-xvmc
[23:08:06] gentoo-user7184: yea
[23:08:19] KaZeR: usefull for debugging. and init.d tools are handy, but not always reliable
[23:08:29] gentoo-user7184: yea i did that also
[23:08:41] gentoo-user7184: i worked on fixing the problem for 6 days
[23:09:17] gentoo-user7184: mythbackend -v all gave me nothing as the backend did not show it was doing anything abnormal
[23:09:27] gentoo-user7184: yet it ran at 100%
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[23:09:50] KaZeR: yay upgrading of ffmpeg broke my mplayer... /usr/bin/mplayer: error while loading shared libraries: libx264.so.47: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[23:09:56] gentoo-user7184: now i had .19 before and then upgrade to .20 i then removed the datavase and all .20 files
[23:10:29] gentoo-user7184: and now i have remerged .19 however i get static for most of the channels
[23:10:45] gentoo-user7184: but i can watch them all in mplayer
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[23:12:02] h0ser: everytime i try to rmmod ir_kbd_i2c it crashes my computer, is there anyway to stop it from loading? i dont have a /etc/modules so i dont know where to look...
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[23:12:35] h0ser: i think its overriding my lirc, and causing my remote not to work properly
[23:13:01] hads: /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist
[23:13:48] Juski: right that's my channel change script fixed...
[23:13:51] h0ser: i dont have that either, i do have a blacklist-compat though, should i create a new file ?
[23:14:00] xris: KaZeR: so it's time to upgrade mplayer.  :)
[23:14:41] hads: h0ser: find /etc/ | grep blacklist
[23:15:03] Juski: ROFL... well done packagers!
[23:15:12] gentoo-user7184: nvm everyone i fixed the problem
[23:15:16] Juski: backend is protocol 31, frontend is protocol 30
[23:15:21] h0ser: . /etc/hotplug/blacklist ?
[23:15:24] gentoo-user7184: i simple error in the config
[23:15:29] hads: h0ser: It will depend on your distro.
[23:15:33] h0ser: mythdora
[23:16:02] h0ser: well, in that one (hotplug) i added ir_common and ir_kbd_i2c lines and it still loads
[23:16:12] hads: I know nothing about RedHat sorry.
[23:16:16] h0ser: lsmod > ir_common 27524 2 ir_kbd_i2c,bttv
[23:17:31] Juski: guess I'll be compiling from source again
[23:18:01] Juski: unless I have mixed libs...
[23:18:05] Juski: eek!
[23:18:19] KaZeR: xris, just did :)
[23:18:34] KaZeR: well, i rebuilded it in fact.
[23:18:39] h0ser: according to this site (http://www.nerdylorrin.net/wiki/Wiki.jsp?page=LIRC) i need to remove that module, i get the same error/symptons he is talking about
[23:19:06] KaZeR: wow. now i get that : Use of uninitialized value in pattern match (m//) at /usr/share/nuvexport/export/ffmpeg.pm line 82.
[23:19:06] KaZeR: This version of nuvexport requires either the cvs or svn version of ffmpeg. (despite i'm running latest svn..)
[23:19:35] Juski: nope, seems like no mixed libraries.. pfft
[23:20:50] xris: KaZeR: are you running trunk or fixes, though?
[23:21:20] xris: sorry, misread
[23:21:46] xris: KaZeR: run: ffmpeg -version 2>&1
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[23:23:48] KaZeR: DAMN IT
[23:23:56] KaZeR: ffmpeg: error while loading shared libraries: libx264.so.49: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[23:23:56] xris: ?
[23:24:12] xris: KaZeR: odd that gentoo doesn't match versions like that.
[23:24:37] KaZeR: yeah it's getting really messy these times.
[23:25:01] KaZeR: just got rid of several troubles with cairo and pango, and now that. grrrr
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[23:47:08] hjohnson: hey, anyone know if ther eare significant latency problems with using a USB Audio device for sound output?
[23:49:01] Juski: wouldn't imagine so unless it's USB 1
[23:49:32] hjohnson: cool..
[23:49:45] hjohnson: we're looking at using the big-ass machine in the basement as the front-end in the living room
[23:50:27] hjohnson: by pushing vidoe and USB over some of the spare cat-5e runs in the wall
[23:50:28] Juski: so long as the USb bus is relatively quiet I doubt there'd be much of an issue
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[23:50:41] FairWtns: Hey people.
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[23:53:35] KaZeR: xris, you around?
[23:54:25] Paladine: no heis a biped
[23:54:35] KaZeR: muh?
[23:55:02] xris: ?
[23:55:39] ** Paladine watches hisanatomical joke fly straight over everyone's head and right out of the window **
[23:56:09] KaZeR: i managed to get ffmpeg to start encoding by removing most options from the command line, after an unpgrade to latest ffmepg & mplayer
[23:59:06] KaZeR: Paladine, didn't catch it. my english isn't that good :)
[23:59:57] Paladine: well you asked if he was around, which could be spoken as "you a round" (as in are you round)

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