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Friday, September 29th, 2006, 00:00 UTC

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madfactor:

Is the entire mythtv configuration in mythconverg?

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minor:

madfactor: yes

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madfactor:

Awesome

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radi0head:

Anyone here made some udev rules for /dev/lirc[0–9] ?

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radi0head:

My rule doesn't seem to apply: KERNEL=="lirc[0–9]*", MODE="0660", GROUP="lirc"

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radi0head:

udevcontrol reload_rules

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hobophobe:

Just wondering, when I zoom in on a recording it will push the top to the top and there will be a "dead space" at the bottom; is there a way to move the video down (centered)?

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tgnb_:

hey there.. is it possible to change the font size in the program guide (EPG)?

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tgnb_:

I've increased the fontsize everywhere else it seems to be readable but cant seem to find the option on where to change the fontsize for the Program Guide

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madfactor:

Is there a way to suspend all recording without removing recording schedules?

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radi0head:

tgnb_; I have the same problem.

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hobophobe:

tgnb_, I think there's a way to set the number of timeslots/number of channels/etc. somewhere, maybe it will change it?

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radi0head:

madfactor; I searched for that feature, yet didn't find it, I think it would be extremely useful.

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hobophobe:

madfactor, you could stop the backend? I'll see if I can think of another way.

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tgnb_:

hobophobe, i know that option, but it doesnt seem to increase the font if you display less

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madfactor:

If you stop the backend, you suspend all myth operations

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hobophobe:

tgnb_, ah. Yeah, I don't know of an option to change it either :o/

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radi0head:

tgnb_; My font in the program guide is HUGE! I can't read it.

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tgnb_:

i just found something that might fix it

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radi0head:

tgnb_; If you fix it, can you let me know?

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tgnb_:

http://mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Frequently_A . . . rect_this.3F

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hobophobe:

http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=mythtv-users& . . . 3203&w=2

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tgnb_:

i guess right now my display is at 38x39 dots per inch

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radi0head:

omg

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radi0head:

mine is at 78x78

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Paladine:

mine is 75x75 until I restart Xorg

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hobophobe:

mine was 120^2

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hobophobe:

but that was of gnome, how do you find the font res of X?

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hobophobe:

96^2 hmm

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hobophobe:

Interesting

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hobophobe:

Will have to restart X when I can

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MindHack:

all of my recordings are 40 minutes in length, yet they seem to fit the whole content within....is the time somehow compressed down?

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hobophobe:

MindHack, could it be you transcode with commercials being eaten out?

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MindHack:

commercials are still there

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hobophobe:

MindHack, or do you live really close to the center of the earth? (time moves faster there)

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Paladine:

lol

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MindHack:

this is a fresh myth installation, havent really changed any default settings since I cant get the frontend running

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hobophobe:

Not sure, that's odd.

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Paladine:

thats a BOFH reasoningif I ever heard one

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hobophobe:

Have you timed watching it?

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MindHack:

(playing via vlc and settting up recordings via mythweb)

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MindHack:

nah, I get 40 minutes from what vlc tells me, good point though

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hobophobe:

Oh, you're playing in VLC no wonder

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hobophobe:

VLC has some issues with time

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hobophobe:

It's a great player, and I'm sure they'll get worked out eventually

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MindHack:

I had no idea

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MindHack:

I'll try it in mplayer

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MindHack:

HA! you're right, 59:54

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tgnb_:

hmm i can use DisplaySize to change the DPI it seems but DisplaySize is set to the correct size of the monitor

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MindHack:

thanks, I was sitting here trying to convince myself that people's voices sounded squeekier than normal :P

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hobophobe:

MindHack, not on all videos, but on a lot... just something about the way they are calculating the # of frames or some such

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tgnb_:

i guess the dpi being at 100 is the more important thing?

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tgnb_:

i will play with it some

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tgnb_:

thanks

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hobophobe:

tgnb_, yeah, myth expects it

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peabody:

Does the RF on Wintv cards have a tendency to go bad? I have an old old old WinTV Go (going on 4+ years old). The composite in works great, but the RF has issues, the picture is what I would call watchable (but ugly), but what really gets to me is the audio. There's this swishy feedback always in the background. I've tried shuffling the thing to about every PCI slot in my case, but no dice.

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MindHack:

you comparing it to a newer card?

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peabody:

No

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peabody:

But I remember using this card a while ago and I don't remember it being this bad

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MindHack:

could it be your cable getting progressively worse?

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peabody:

nah, TV works fine with it plugged in

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peabody:

picture quality is much better on TV, and no audio feedback.

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peabody:

I'm trying to rule out whether its the card or whether there's bad interference in my system. I don't want to buy another tv card only to have the same problem.

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hobophobe:

man this 100 dpi thing isn't just myth, the firefox settings dialog actually looks right now.

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MindHack:

well, you'd have two tuners then :p

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peabody:

I'm ona budget too, so not having to buy another card is a definite plus. Yeah, two tuners whould be nice, but I probably wouldn't use this one if it stayed this way :(

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gentoo-user7184:

hey paladine doesn't look like a ram issue

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hobophobe:

peabody, if you want to find out if it's the card you have but one option: put it in another system and see if it has the same results.

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tgnb_:

hobophobe, well it seems that xorg ignores the settings i tell it :( regardless of what i use for DisplaySize in my xorg.conf, the dpi stays the same

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Paladine:

gentoo-user7184, good jobyou didn't take me up on the wager then ;)

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gentoo-user7184:

yea i mean its on pass 21

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hobophobe:

tgnb_, odd, I'll see if I can dig any other settings up related to X dpi

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peabody:

hobophobe: yeah, I was starting to travel down that line of thinking. If it is the card, are there any options to fix it? Like with fixing a bad tv?

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gentoo-user7184:

i figure its safe to say the ram is fine

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Paladine:

hd would be the next thing to check then mate

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Paladine:

e2fsck

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Paladine:

but read the documentation first

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gentoo-user7184:

alright

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Paladine:

don't want you fucking your HD

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gentoo-user7184:

yea could it have to do with the format i am suing

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Mattwj2005:

hey guys....check this out -> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GP2X

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gentoo-user7184:

using**

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hobophobe:

peabody, well, if it was something simple like dirt or bad connections somewhere that could be resoldered, but not too much probably unless you know a good bit about electronics :o/

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Mattwj2005:

I wonder if videos from MythTv would play on it

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Zider:

Mattwj2005: if they're transcoded to fit, sure

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Mattwj2005:

no drag and drop?

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Mattwj2005:

it play mp4

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Mattwj2005:

*plays

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peabody:

hobophobe: Thanks for the input, guess I've got some experimenting to do.

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Zider:

Mattwj2005: well then it should work..

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Mattwj2005:

I have been thinking of buying....it is awesome....it even runs Linux :)

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hobophobe:

peabody, seriously, find a friend or somewhere you can try it in another box before you try anything else, preferrably a completely separate setup (ie, if your friend has cable use that, etc.)

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Zider:

yeah I want it too :D

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gentoo-user7184:

i am not suing ext3 pr ext2 for for the parition that i write to

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gentoo-user7184:

i use xfs for my media files

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feld:

so i have two tuners, a pvr150 and a 250. the 250 is the "old one". I wanted the 150 to be my primary tuner. I can't quite tell at this moment which one is tuner 1 and which one is tuner 2.

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feld:

what's the easiest way to confirm that?

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peabody:

hobophobe: Is there such a thing as a cheap cable box that can turn an RF into a composit line? I do have a serial cable I could use.

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peabody:

If I could just get a composite for my signal, the picture would be great

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gentoo-user7184:

paladine do u know?

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hobophobe:

tgnb_, http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Xorg#Display_Size.2FDPI

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feld:

nm i think i found it

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hobophobe:

peabody, there may be them, you're just on analog cable, correct?

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feld:

it's in the mysql database

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peabody:

hobophobe: yeah, I have an analog signal I can use

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Paladine:

gentoo, I am using xfs at the moment and have also used ext3

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hobophobe:

theoretically any device with rf in and composite out should work then, ie if you can find some cheap VCR with RF in and composite out, or something. You could look at cable boxes, but I think you'll have more possible hits and lower price with VCRs (just guessing)

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Anduin:

gentoo-user7184: build with debug info, follow the ticket howto and create a backtrace when it is at 100%

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peabody:

hobophobe: that's a good idea, I'll have to look into it.

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pushpop:

is the .20 release stable on gentoo yet?

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gentoo-user7184:

yea i use ext3 running gentoo

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gentoo-user7184:

i added -ggdb and emerged mythtv

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gentoo-user7184:

then ran gdb /usr/bin/mythbackend but when it was running at 100% i was getting anything

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pushpop:

so gentoo your running .20 and it runs fine?

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Anduin:

gentoo-user7184: What does that mean?

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gentoo-user7184:

i am running .20 but the backend sometimes runs at 100%

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gentoo-user7184:

u add -ggdb to Cflags

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pushpop:

are you use firewire by any chance?

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gentoo-user7184:

which then allows u to build mythtv with debug info

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gentoo-user7184:

just started up pc and within 3 minutes bakcend running at 100%

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Anduin:

gentoo-user7184: Yes, and whey you hit ctrl-c you can 'thread apply all bt full'

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gentoo-user7184:

i am starting of doinga complete reinstall of mythtv...

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Mattwj2005:

you guys I am going to up grade to HDTV

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Mattwj2005:

cable box....hopefully firewire will work

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gentoo-user7184:

ctrl-c when?

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Mattwj2005:

because I have HBO and Showtime :)

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qfx:

helllo hello

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Mattwj2005:

hey qfx

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qfx:

Hey Mattwj2005

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Mattwj2005:

what is up?

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gentoo-user7184:

Auduin what were u talking about ctril+c ??

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Pryon:

(0, 0, 1)

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qfx:

Silly show shows up in xbmcmythtv but not in mythfrontend, so I'm wondering isomeone has an idea of what table that's coming from so I can delete the show ;)

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Anduin:

gentoo-user7184: When would make the most sense?

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qfx:

what is up with you?

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gentoo-user7184:

umm i dunno

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Anduin:

gentoo-user7184: When it is at 100% and you are running it under gdb (like what I said the other day and again several lines up)

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gentoo-user7184:

oo alright

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gentoo-user7184:

i ran it under gdb but i never did ctrl + c

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Paladine:

I feel the need, the need for..

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Paladine:

corned beef and onion sammich!

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Paladine:

brb

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hobophobe:

ok time to see if my dpi will change

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degreseven:

can anyone help me with configuring ssmtp? all i need to do is send a simple email from a script, I don't particularly care about the details, just need to send about a 3 word message =)

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degreseven:

hm, this is not the right window, is it?

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Anduin:

It is not

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degreseven:

i knew that, it was intentional

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gentoo-user7184:

alright i got a backtrace i think anyways

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madfactor:

is there a special command so I can use my old tables that I have saved from a previous myth install?

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madfactor:

anyone home?

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Anduin:

madfactor: You can do it by hand

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Aid`:

who watched smallville?

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Anduin:

teenagers

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Aid`:

you're saying you dont watch new episodes?

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madfactor:

Andiun: what do you mean?

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Anduin:

madfactor: I mean no there isn't a script (the closest thing would be myth.rebuilddatabase.pl which isn't what you want)

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flyback:

CANUCKhead!

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flyback:

CANUCKhead!

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Anduin:

gentoo-user7184: So what are you going to do with that maybe backtrace?

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** flyback bites radi0head **

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gentoo-user7184:

i dunno

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feld:

madfactor: what tables

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feld:

why not just dump only the tables you want to keep

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feld:

then import them into a new install. Voila, you're set.

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fryfrog:

Anyone seen: ivtv0: All encoder MPEG stream buffers are full. Dropping data.

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fryfrog:

ivtv0: Cause: the application is not reading fast enough.

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Anduin:

fryfrog: It means exactly what it says

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fryfrog:

yeah, but i'm trying to figure out why :(

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fryfrog:

wth is ivtv-ptune.pl a part of in gentoo :/

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Anduin:

It isn't gentoo specific

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fryfrog:

i phrased that wrong

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fryfrog:

i was hoping it was part of some gentoo ebuild, but it doesn't seem so

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Anduin:

ivtv-tune is what people use now

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fryfrog:

oh?

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fryfrog:

but how do you tell it to switch to the other inputs?

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fryfrog:

svideo, composite, etc?

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Zider:

fryfrog: equery belongs ivtv-ptune.pl

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Zider:

fryfrog: part of gentoolkit

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fryfrog:

that file doesn't exist on my system

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Zider:

(equery that is)

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D-side:

woot. xbmcmythtv version for 0.20. :)

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fryfrog:

rar!

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Anduin:

fryfrog: you switch inputs with ivtvctl -p

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fryfrog:

ah

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fryfrog:

my "ivtvctl --help" has no -p option

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fryfrog:

i should mention it is 0.8.0

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Anduin:

v4lctl

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fryfrog:

ahhh

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coolego1:

anybody know why my nuvexport doesn't play nice with the myth cutlist (ignores it) when I try to transcode some videos?

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madfactor:

how to I turn off auto dpms on the monitor?

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feld:

madfactor: remove it from xorg.conf?

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feld:

man 5 xorg.conf ;)

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madfactor:

dpms controls monitor shutdown, right?

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feld:

no

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madfactor:

What controls that?

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madfactor:

on X server?

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feld:

the blank-something option

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feld:

for "blanking the screen"

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feld:

and there's a sleep-something option too

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feld:

man 5 xorg.conf

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Paladine:

you sure

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Paladine:

cos I am pretty sure dpms does it

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madfactor:

I thought so too.

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madfactor:

I can test it.

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feld:

Option "blank time" "0"

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feld:

Option "standby time" "0"

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feld:

Option "suspend time" "0"

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feld:

Option "off time" "0"

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Paladine:

dpms stands for Display Power Management System

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feld:

i'm pretty sure it's not DPMS

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Paladine:

which would suggest it is responsible for power management

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Weezey:

i called the mythdoctor he told me what to do.

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Weezey:

he said eye-vee-tee-vee alsa alsa lircd

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Paladine:

yes dpms does control power management on monitors

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Paladine:

all you listed feld were options to override default dpms settings

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quink:

hey.

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Paladine:

so you were correct madfactor

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madfactor:

thx

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quink:

What sort of processors do you all run your mythtv systems on?

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feld:

athlon-xp 3000+

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Paladine:

and feld, your settings will not work at all if dpms is not enabled according to the docs

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madfactor:

I've been an IT professional for 15 years... only new to linux. :)

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feld:

Paladine: i dont have DPMS enabled in my configuration

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madfactor:

dpms has been out awhile

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feld:

and without those settings my TV blanks

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Paladine:

feld according to thedocs, your settings will notwok without dpms enabled

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Weezey:

quink: backend: P4 3.2GHz, front: PD 2.8GHz

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quink:

Just trying to figure out if a sempron would cut it or not.(2800+), right now i'm using an xp2600+ with no problems.

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Zider:

quink: celeron 2,6GHz here

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Paladine:

now you can argue with me, or you can read the docs

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Paladine:

either way

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Beirdo:

I'll pick "argue" for $2000, Alex

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Paladine:

dpms controls power management for displays

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Weezey:

The answer is... a daily double!

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quink:

any of you have an opinion as to sempron vs a64?

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Zider:

quink: yes but you don't wanna hear it ;)

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quink:

well i've never run one of amd's cheap processors, but if their number scheme(2800+) is any idea of how it cmopares to other processors...then it should be an upgrade from my 2600+?

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Paladine:

# Set the DPMS timeouts. These are set here because they are global

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Paladine:

# rather than screen-specific. These settings alone don't enable DPMS.

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Paladine:

# It is enabled per-screen (or per-monitor), and even then only when

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Paladine:

# the driver supports it.

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Zider:

quink: I have no idea how to interpret their numbers

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quink:

I'm working on a series of upgrades and trying to figure out where i can cut costs.

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D-side:

the obvious answer is you need a second job

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Zider:

madfactor: Option "DPMS" "false" (a bit late maybe)

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Paladine:

quink, you asking which core to buy on an AMD chip?

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quink:

yes.

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Paladine:

Ithinkoverclockers have a list of the different cores

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Paladine:

for AMD XP cpu's Barton Core was always the best

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quink:

well i'm upgrading from a barton

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quink:

or thinking of doing so.

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Paladine:

you switching to 64bit CPU?

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quink:

Basically an AM2 sempron vs a64

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Paladine:

well sempron is the lowest spec core

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Paladine:

took over from the DUron

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quink:

Paladine: well not for the point of 64bit but for the want of CnQ and a new mobo

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Paladine:

I have AMD64 San Diego Core (which was the best core at the time and is a shit load cheaper than an AM2)

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quink:

hoping to get a motherboard with gigabit ethernet, builtin video, and spdif connection

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quink:

plus have it run cooler

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Paladine:

but, although I have little knowledge of the AM2's, it is likely the semp is the budget core

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quink:

yeah it is.

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quink:

its 30$ cheaper then the cheapest regular core.

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Paladine:

I would recommend an Athlon64

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quink:

right now my socket A is at 1.9ghz

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Paladine:

San Diego Core

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Paladine:

if you get an ASUS A8N board they support X2 and FX CPU's so you can upgrade later when you have the funds

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quink:

X2 is way much more then i need

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quink:

and the only reason i['m upgrading now has nothing to do with it not being fast enough.

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Paladine:

as I said, so you can upgrade later

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quink:

i just want built in optical out and cool n quiet

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Zider:

hmm.. I just got 950k/sec on a 4Mbit line.. doesn't add up.. :P

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Paladine:

firefox?

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Zider:

no, ftp

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Paladine:

probably prebuffered

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Zider:

aha, they've upgraded my connection

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Zider:

again

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Paladine:

it isn't unusual to get a hgh burst of speed at the beginning of a download

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Zider:

Paladine: this was with a 300MB file

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Zider:

constant speed

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Paladine:

well looks like you been upgraded then ;)

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Zider:

anyhoo, mystery solved :D

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Zider:

yes, from 4 to 8

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Paladine:

rate adaptive adsl or cable?

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Zider:

rate adaptive..?

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Paladine:

yes

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Paladine:

is it adsl or cable?

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Ediehow:

anyone using usb-uirt?

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Zider:

cable

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Paladine:

k

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Mattwj2005:

wow I just discover something weird

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Mattwj2005:

I get more HDTV channels off of rabbit ears than I do off of cable :(

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Paladine:

I was asking cos if it was adsl you would have probably got an upload speed increase too

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Zider:

pretty neat.. I upgraded from 1 -> 2Mbit at new year, and at the same time they changed the 2Mbit service to be 4Mbit at the same price

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Zider:

and now they changed it again, to 8Mbit for the same price

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Mattwj2005:

I'll be going from 5 Mbit -> 6 Mbit for free in a few weeks

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Paladine:

I am on 8Mbit rate adaptive adsl

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Paladine:

it is very nice :)

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Zider:

so what's adaptive?

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Honk^gone:

what's rate adaptive? =)

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Paladine:

well it is pretty self explanatory

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Zider:

yes

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Zider:

Paladine: no?

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Paladine:

the rate adapts according to conditions

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Honk^gone:

what conditions?

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Paladine:

so if the LLU is busy it slows down

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Zider:

LLU?

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Paladine:

the local loop

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Paladine:

the circuit between you and the exchange

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Zider:

ah

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Paladine:

I shouldhavejust said LL actually

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Paladine:

but never mind :)

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Honk^gone:

http://www.adslguide.org.uk/qanda.asp?faq=radsl

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Honk^gone:

..

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Ediehow:

hey

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Ediehow:

i know you can use usb-uirt with mythtv

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Ediehow:

but has anyone in here used it with dishnetwork?

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Paladine:

that faq isn't ntirely accurate

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Honk^gone:

Paladine: feel free to provide a better one

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Paladine:

radsl supports upload of upto aprox 880kbps

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Paladine:

just BT originally capped it at 256

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Honk^gone:

and where does it say anything else?

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Honk^gone:

well.. it says 832kbps not 880

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Paladine:

pstream bandwidth varies from 256Kbps down to 64Kbps (speed of standard ISDN dialup) in 32Kbps increments.

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Honk^gone:

but that's close enough ;)

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Paladine:

right there :p

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Honk^gone:

The Premium service supports a maximum upstream of 832kbps.

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Honk^gone:

..

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Mattwj2005:

832 would be nice

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Mattwj2005:

I am onjy getting 384 kps

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Paladine:

even the domestic version is higher than 256

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Paladine:

I reportedly have 384

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Honk^gone:

maybe the stuff they offer isnt?

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Zider:

anyhoo, I'll be moving from this shitty line soon.. :D

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Honk^gone:

..

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Paladine:

but my uploads sits at around 450–470

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Mattwj2005:

hopefully the free upgrade will mean more upload :)

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Honk^gone:

i could bet that you can get that from more than just 1 provider..

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Paladine:

Honk, all BT Wholesale products are identical

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Honk^gone:

pff =)

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Paladine:

unless you have an LLU exchange (which there are very few at the moment in the UK) all adsl isprovided by BT Wholesale

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Paladine:

no matter who you buy it from

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Honk^gone:

i'm not from the uk

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Honk^gone:

so.. i could care less

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Paladine:

you asked

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Paladine:

I answered

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Honk^gone:

you kept bitching about how bad that faq was ;)

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Paladine:

no I never, I made one comment that the faq wasn't entirely accurate

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Paladine:

I never bitched at all

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Honk^gone:

i didnt ask about how fast this specific line was at all =)

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Honk^gone:

i was asking was radsl is ;)

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Honk^gone:

and the article answered that pretty good

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Paladine:

are you delberately being an ass or did you just not have your cornflakes today?

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Honk^gone:

=)

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Paladine:

:p

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Paladine:

that faq also states that the rate isset according to what your line is capable of, which is not true

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Paladine:

the rate is set basedon the traffic of the local loop

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Paladine:

so even if your line is capable of 8Mb/s if the exchange is swamped, you will get lower

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Paladine:

and the rate changes throughout the day

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Paladine:

people on RADSL will notice slow downs in speed during peak times and generally the maximum their line can handle during offpeak times

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Honk^gone:

that's not radsl though ;)

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Paladine:

yes it is

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Honk^gone:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rate-Adaptive_Di . . . scriber_Line

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Paladine:

you said you don't live in the UK, I have worked in the UK internet industry (including ISPs) for 15 years

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Paladine:

I think I know a little more about it than you

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Honk^gone:

kinda odd that every single article i find on google is about signal quality

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Paladine:

especially since I have campaigned against BT to improve connectivity for domestic use in the UK

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Paladine:

the signal quality is effective by the traffic on the RAS

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Paladine:

the busier the exchange, the more noise on the loop

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Paladine:

thus signal quality drops

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Honk^gone:

heh.. that's just poor equipment =)

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Paladine:

now please stop trying to tell me how to suck eggs

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Mattwj2005:

hey question question about MythTV and HDTV....

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Honk^away:

heh.. good timing =)

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Mattwj2005:

has the new feature to collect the entire transport been added in the new MythTV version?

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Mattwj2005:

I get up to five channels on one transport ;)

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FarrisG:

How long does it usually take mythcommflag to do its thang?

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Paladine:

how long is a piece of string?

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Ediehow:

annnnnnnyone using usb-uirt?

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Beirdo:

obviously not

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FarrisG:

Paladine: Cute. Certainly there's some metric for estimating it

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Ediehow:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/USB-UIRT

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Ediehow:

it says it works but

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Paladine:

FarrisG, I would thinkit would be nigh on impossible tocalculate it since it would be based on your hardware as well as the length of the show

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Ediehow:

i am trying to find out if it works on newest lirc without patch

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Ediehow:

and if it works with dishnetwork

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Paladine:

so it would be different for just about every person

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Ediehow:

but i can't get a reply on any mailing list:(

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Weezey:

Hey, what's the keyboard shortcut in KDE's panel menu to save changes? It doesn't fit on my screen and I'm trying to make the panel auto-hide

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FarrisG:

Paladine: hardware is relatively finite, and length of a file IS finite

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FarrisG:

Paladine: A simple "I don't know" might have sufficed :)

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Paladine:

relatively finite in what sense? there a massive number of possible hardware setups

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Paladine:

everysingle one of them will produce different results

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FarrisG:

Paladine: Different, yes. But you're missing the point. There is more than likely some equation that exists, taking into account bus speeds and drive throughput that would estimate it.

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Paladine:

k well you go figure it out then

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Paladine:

but don't forget to take into accoutn seek times on RAm and HD's, CPU clock frequancies as well

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FarrisG:

Paladine: Again, a simple "I don't know" would have sufficed, and if I new how to figure it out I wouldn't have asked

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Honk^away:

FarrisG: just time how long mythcommflag takes for one of your files :P

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Ediehow:

gee wiz

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Ediehow:

hey is there a way to talk to the creator of a page in the wiki?

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Ediehow:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/USB-UIRT

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Ediehow:

that one specifically

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FarrisG:

Ok, I'm trying to use Myth Archive, and when I get to the "Select Recordings" screen, it seems to stop responding. However, if I hit esc, it will go back to the previous menu

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ajhtiredwolf:

nm

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Paladine:

ajhtiredwolf, where does the ajh come from?

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Paladine:

those are my initials :)

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Paladine:

j00 stalking me?

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D-side:

meh. i think the 0.20 ebuilds of mythtv and mythweb are out of sync

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interferon:

are the ports split into red, white, and yellow phono jacks called composite or component?

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MindHack:

component

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D-side:

Incompatible protocol version (mythweb=30, backend=31)

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interferon:

thanks

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GreyFoxx:

no

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GreyFoxx:

red+white are audio, yellow is video. It's composite

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interferon:

composite?

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GreyFoxx:

Or at least that's how it's always been referred to around me

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MindHack:

GreyFoxx: heh, you are right, man, the two words are similar arent they

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Paladine:

red+white are definitely audio, cosI am using them from my stb :)

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D-side:

and yet a simple change to an include might have fixed that. hmm.

[03:09:45]

MindHack:

he's right interferon, I need more sleep

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interferon:

all right, thanks

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MindHack:

and I think I can pass a math test tomorrow morning.....right

[03:11:32]

D-side:

this is what i get for fucking with things that were originally working.

[03:12:22]

Paladine:

D-Side, if it ain't broke, don't try and fix it ;)

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gentoo-user7184:

Hey everyone

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gentoo-user7184:

if we do not run chown -R /mnt/mythtv could that cause the backend to run at 100%

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Paladine:

gentoo-user7184, chown -R /mnt/mythtv won't do anything

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Paladine:

you have to specify which owner you are chowning to

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gentoo-user7184:

chown -R mythtv /mnt/mythtv

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Paladine:

chown -R owner:group /mnt/mythtv

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jumpkick:

hi

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gentoo-user7184:

well not doing that... could that cause a problem?

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jumpkick:

I got a table repair message for mythconverg/credits and accidentally dropped the table... can someone pm me the schema to recreate the table (i.e. from mysqldump mythconverg)

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Paladine:

gentoo-user7184, if mythtv doesn't have read/write access Iexpect it would not be able to record anything at all

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jumpkick:

or point me at where I can find the schema for myth 20.1

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gentoo-user7184:

well i guess that wouldn't be my problem then

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GreyFoxx:

jumpkick: www.phaze.org/mythtv/moo.sql

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jumpkick:

GreyFoxxx: Thank you!

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jumpkick:

you're a life saver

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gentoo-user7184:

well paladine i am going to try two more idea and then i am going to just go a complete reinstall of mythtv... oo is there anyway to check your mysql database for errors?

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Ediehow:

hi GreyFoxx

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Ediehow:

have you used dishnetwork w/myth?

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D-side:

pfeh this is crap

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Paladine:

mysql has a database checking binary in the path/to/mysql/bin directory I think, but I assume it is just for checking for corrupt data

[03:21:38]

Paladine:

I have never actually used it

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GreyFoxx:

Ediehow: I setup myuncles mythbox which was connected to his spare receiver

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Ediehow:

dishnetwork GreyFoxx ?

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GreyFoxx:

yes

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GreyFoxx:

a PVR 250 connected to the output of one of his sat receivers and used and IR blaster tochange channels

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Ediehow:

yeah, i have no serial ports

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Ediehow:

so i have to get usb-uirt

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Ediehow:

it seems

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Ediehow:

i just wish i could talk to someone who did it

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GreyFoxx:

I made his out of $10 in radio shack parts heh

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GreyFoxx:

but he had a serial port

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Ediehow:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/USB-UIRT

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Ediehow:

usb-uirt works, for sure

[03:25:01]

Ediehow:

but i want to verify it works with dishnetwork

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Ediehow:

and i wonder if i also need lirc patch if i have .8.0

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GreyFoxx:

I really can't say

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Ediehow:

especially considering that patch link is broken

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Ediehow:

i cannot believe how little help i've gotten on lirc list about usingusb-uirt

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D-side:

pfeh this is totally fucked.

[03:26:19]

GreyFoxx:

D-side: ?

[03:26:34]

D-side:

GreyFoxx: gentoo ebuilds.

[03:26:38]

GreyFoxx:

oh

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D-side:

latest 0.20 for either mythtv or mythweb.

[03:27:02]

D-side:

i think they're pulling from svn instead of the final release

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GreyFoxx:

What's wrong with it ?

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D-side:

well the mythweb portion claims its using protocol 30 while the backend is at 31, so a quick change to a mythweb include resolved that intial error

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GreyFoxx:

ahhh no that's correct

[03:28:49]

GreyFoxx:

there was a patch that went into -fixes which bumped the protocol

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Ediehow:

hey GreyFoxx i have myth set up now to use cable tv

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GreyFoxx:

but no new mythweb has been put in to use it

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Ediehow:

what do i need to do once i switch to dishnetwork?

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D-side:

oh.

[03:29:19]

D-side:

GreyFoxx: so its your contention that mythtv is working just fine, but mythweb is a little fucked right now? :)

[03:29:30]

D-side:

thats what i really want to hear right now. :)

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GreyFoxx:

D-side: BUT it might be as simple as editing mythweb/includes/mythbackend.php and bunch the version to 31 (line 20)

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GreyFoxx:

D-side: basically

[03:30:29]

D-side:

GreyFoxx: well that was the "simple fix" i applied.

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D-side:

or rather "quick change"

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D-side:

that didnt quite do it for me

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GreyFoxx:

might have to wait for xris to get a chance to update it

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D-side:

if thats the case, sure.

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D-side:

i just can't reboot into linux to try a frontend right now. :)

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GreyFoxx:

he was talking aboutit not even 30 minutes ago

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D-side:

thanks for the heads up though.

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D-side:

saves me from going insane. :)

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GreyFoxx:

hehe

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Ediehow:

GreyFoxx: ?

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minor:

hey folks, :) , what are the keys for interactive DVB TV ?

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minor:

is red/green/blue etc?

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minor:

s/is/ie

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Ediehow:

is there any reason to use dishnetwork.com over satellitesales.com?

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GreyFoxx:

use it for what?

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Ediehow:

to get satellite service

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GreyFoxx:

I don't understand your question. Are you asking why would one pick to buy service from one or the other company?

[03:36:56]

Ediehow:

well, i was told you could get a deal not going through dishnetwork

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GreyFoxx:

I wouldn't know :)

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Ediehow:

and satellitesales.com has the $30 plan $20 for 10 months

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Ediehow:

i mean, i'm not familiar with going through 3rd party agencies for dish service

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GreyFoxx:

me either :)

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dem:

quick question, did anyone get pvrusb2 working

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dem:

i got an extra one from a friend who isn't using it anymore, but myth 0.20 won't add it as a hardware mpeg encoder

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radi0head:

Do I need libirman for lirc to work using a Hauppauge WinTV PVR-150 IR blaster remote ?

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radi0head:

I see it as a dependency in the docs of www.lirc.org but I'm not sure it really needs it.

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Ediehow:

hey grantm

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Ediehow:

GreyFoxx: you there?

[03:48:25]

Ediehow:

what do i need to do to get satellite through pvr 250?

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Ediehow:

i have a 150mce

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radi0head:

Ediehow; Did you need libirman for your remote using the pvr-250?

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Ediehow:

i have a pvr-150mce

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radi0head:

Ediehow; Or only lirc would work?

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radi0head:

the mce remote is different, but it must be comparable.

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Ediehow:

i have another remote

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radi0head:

Seems like I don't need libirman, thanks anyways.

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Ediehow:

GreyFoxx: ?

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stevenm:

Hi. My opengl is f*cked. I switched painting engine to OpenGL, now cannot switch back due to black screen on frontend. How can I switch it back to QT without using the frontend?

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Anduin:

-O ThemePainter=qt

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Klink:

SlicerDicer, you there?

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ShockValue:

anyone good with web/firewall stuff? i was thinking of setting up a webserver, partially for mythweb. could i put that on my DMZ and still have it access mythbackend machine that is on the internal network?

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ShockValue:

<mostly OT> :)

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siXy:

shokvalue: i dont see why not. ive not used mythweb yet, but i run several apache servers

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ShockValue:

the only trick is getting it to access the mysql server internally, i would think

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ShockValue:

besides, i cant let my cool new URL go to waste >:)

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siXy:

thats not hard – i assume its written in php, if so then somewhere in the php file there will be the mysql login info, just change localhost to the ip of the mythbox

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siXy:

you will need to do dmz pinholeing to let the apache box access your internal network, however

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ShockValue:

yeah ok, thats the word i was looking for i think.. pinhole.. heard it, never used it

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[mbm]:

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minor:

what format should the analog channel list be ? (when importing a channel list)

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radi0head:

Where can I find a lircd.conf for the PVR-150 "grey" remote control. I followed this http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/PVR150_Remote but it only give a link for the silver remote control.

[07:02:46]

minor:

have you tried the lirc site?

[07:02:51]

minor:

radi0head: http://lirc.sourceforge.net/remotes/hauppauge/

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radi0head:

minor; Yes.

[07:03:36]

radi0head:

minor; Not sure which one to take.

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radi0head:

mythtv-0.20/configfiles/lircd.conf.example seems okay.

[07:05:02]

radi0head:

Hmm, it doesn't seem to have all the options.

[07:05:35]

** minor shrugs **

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Ediehow:

hi

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Ediehow:

anyone familiar with usb-uirt?

[07:08:45]

Ediehow:

â€¢ *56KHz IR Receiver Add-On Option*

[07:08:46]

Ediehow:

what is that?

[07:08:48]

Ediehow:

is that for a remote?

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Juski:

looky likey

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Ediehow:

is that so you can use a remote control with the usb-uirt?

[07:09:16]

radi0head:

Juski!

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radi0head:

Juski; I need your help man

[07:09:30]

Juski:

who, me?

[07:09:32]

radi0head:

hehe

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Ediehow:

Juski: is that what it is?

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Ediehow:

i want to see if i need it as well

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radi0head:

Juski; Scroll up :)

[07:10:19]

Juski:

radi0head: try wilsonet, or make your own with irrecord

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Juski:

also try (believe it or not) lirc.org !

[07:11:05]

radi0head:

lol

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radi0head:

Where is wilsonet's config?

[07:12:12]

Ediehow:

Juski: ?

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Juski:

http://www.google.co.uk/search?client=firefox . . . oogle+Search

[07:12:58]

radi0head:

yeah I gooled that

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Juski:

Ediehow: I don't know but it LOOKS LIKELY

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[mbm]:

look at all the crap in that url

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Juski:

look at all the crap in this channel

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radi0head:

Juski; I found Jarod Wilson's config.

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[mbm]:

you din't have to get personal

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radi0head:

[mbm]; lol

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radi0head:

hey Juski, are you here?

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Dibblah:

http://justfuckinggoogleit.com/search.pl?quer . . . y+lircd.conf

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Dibblah:

Much better.

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radi0head:

Dibblah; I'm a google master btw.

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radi0head:

;)

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Dibblah:

Oooh. From which university?

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radi0head:

Googlars

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radi0head:

Googlars University.

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bryan:

all my channel names are like '7 – adding channel 7', how do I reset them to the actual channel names?

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minor:

good question bryan, you can edit the channels via the the channel editor (mythtvsetup)

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bryan:

minor it grabbed the channel names automatically before, after i installed my new tuner card it switched. do i have to manually edit them, or is there a way to make it re-grab the names?

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minor:

I'm not sure about that

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minor:

have you configured the vbi device correctly?

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bryan:

i assume so, everything works perfectly....my channels just have those weird names now

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** minor shrugs **

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bryan:

hm, guess i'll just do it manually then

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bryan:

thanks

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minor:

I'm personally trying to find out how to create (what format) an analog channel list

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minor:

ie. a list to import rather than detected

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Mattwj2005:

hey guys :)

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Mattwj2005:

how is everyone this evening?

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** quicksilver is having breakfast **

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Mattwj2005:

it is 3 am here :P

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Mattwj2005:

it is the weekend for me :)

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Mattwj2005:

you got to go to work quicksilver?

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LabMonkey:

uhm

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LabMonkey:

anyone having a problem lately with the backend crashing

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LabMonkey:

?

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Mattwj2005:

hmmm not me....I am having a weird vlc problem though :)

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LabMonkey:

hmm

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LabMonkey:

the last few days my backend crashes randomly

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Mattwj2005:

you getting low on disk space by chance?

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LabMonkey:

sorta

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kazer_:

LabMonkey, i had some weird crashes too some times ago, it was my ram

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LabMonkey:

I have myth expiring stuff so I stay a couple of GB from full on my recordings partition

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Mattwj2005:

yeah I was having problems with MythTv 0.19 because of low disk space

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LabMonkey:

the / fs has plenty of space left

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Mattwj2005:

oh okay just an idea :)

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LabMonkey:

well this is 0.20

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LabMonkey:

and it seems to happen while I'm watching a show

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LabMonkey:

the two times it has happened I found out about it when my show was done and it dropped back to the recordings list and said the master backend couldn't be contacted

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jblack:

Thats it. I've had it. I'm making unofficial ubuntu packages for mythtv modules

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Mattwj2005:

man I love free ota HDTV :)

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jblack:

How does it work out? hdtv is digital, right? Does that mean you don't get any static?

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Mattwj2005:

it is working out pretty good.....hdtv is digital.....no static, but I am getting a little garbage on the screen......I am getting a bunch of channel off of rabbit ears....just a second I'll count

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quicksilver:

HDTV doesn't have to be digital

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jblack:

oh man. Maybe I can get one of those pdtv hdtv cards.

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quicksilver:

it typically is though

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quicksilver:

I have digital SDTV and that's much nicer than analogue :)

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lupin_sansei:

any Ozzies online?

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jblack:

I decided to not get digital cable right now. I read on the pdtv site that not every cable system works.

[08:27:42]

Mattwj2005:

I am getting 16 HDTV channels off of rabit ears

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Mattwj2005:

I live in Minneapolis so that helps :)

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lupin_sansei:

yah

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jblack:

Ahh. You probably already had 16 channels, including ufh.

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jblack:

I live in a valley. I get 4 traditional channels.

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Mattwj2005:

nope

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jblack:

so I guess you get better range.

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Mattwj2005:

for example TPT has 5 digital channels but only 2 analog

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Mattwj2005:

you get programming that you can't get off of analog....it is to encourage people to switch....the offical analog cut off is 2009

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LabMonkey:

omg

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LabMonkey:

I just figured it out

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Mattwj2005:

what was the problem?

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LabMonkey:

ok I've got just 1 mythbox right now

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LabMonkey:

oh not the crashing thing, I still dunno wtf the problem is with that

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LabMonkey:

anyway

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LabMonkey:

so I've got one mythbox... it's hooked up to the TV and has a vfd/ir module so I control it with a remote

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LabMonkey:

there's no kbd or mouse

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LabMonkey:

now... when I'm trying to make my cutlist for commercials my remote can get kinda annoying

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LabMonkey:

the directional pad on it is kinda wonky and sometimes if I press right but just barely down at the same time it reads as down

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LabMonkey:

anyway long story short I've been trying to figure out how to use my windows workstation here to make the cutlists

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Juski:

vnc

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LabMonkey:

I tried xming, nx, waiting for the windows mythtv port...

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LabMonkey:

nah

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LabMonkey:

I can just run a really small linux box in vmware

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LabMonkey:

and install a frontend only

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LabMonkey:

does sound work over vnc?

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Juski:

nope

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LabMonkey:

there ya go

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Juski:

but then you can't hear much in edit mode anyway

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LabMonkey:

half the time when I'm generating my cutlist I watch parts of the show anyway

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Juski:

much/anything

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Juski:

what's vmware like anyway?

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LabMonkey:

it's mean on memory

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Juski:

1GB not enough then?

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LabMonkey:

but my last job I ran multiple vms on a laptop with 2GB mem

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Juski:

hmmmm

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LabMonkey:

I'm thinking if I set the vm to allow 512MB it should be more than enough just to run the client

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LabMonkey:

well

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LabMonkey:

kernel+xorg+mythfe

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Mattwj2005:

man you guys....I tell you I wish HD radio was cheaper

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otwin:

LabMonkey: NX can do sound, but you might have problems with fluent video

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jblack:

I now have unofficial ubuntu packages for mythvideo 0.20

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jblack:

Do I need it on the backend, the frontend, or both?

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minor:

I have 3 cards, Wintv-PCI , Avermedia DVB-T USB2 , Compro DVB-T300 , I can use the DVB cards normally, with ease, I have managed to get the analog to come up when I press 'Y', the problem comes when i try to change the analog channels

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minor:

any help?

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LabMonkey:

otwin: NX does sound via esd. mythtv insists on directly accessing sound hardware.

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jblack:

Uh, hmmm.

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jblack:

Doesn't mythvideo get its info from the backend?

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minor:

jblack: yes

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jblack:

Ok. Then I'm doing something wrong.

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jblack:

on the backend server I dumped a few avis in the mythvideo directory on the backend server.

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jblack:

On the frontend machine I I get a folder that says no files found.

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** jblack checks myth-setup on the backend server **

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jblack:

Yeah. I can't figure this out.

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minor:

what is it that's not working properly?

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minor:

oh sorry

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minor:

i missed the above

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jblack:

On the backend server on the other machine I've dumped some avis in the mythvideo directory. .. ok.

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jblack:

I've installed the plugin on both the backend and the frontend.

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minor:

the information is stored in mythconverg

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minor:

the actual avi's should be accesable by your frontend

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minor:

unlike the actuall liveTv or recorded programs

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jblack:

Oh man. So I have to keep a copy of each movie I want available on every client?

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minor:

use .... either NFS

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minor:

or samba

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minor:

or for security, vpn

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minor:

and map the video directory onto the frontend machine

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minor:

you don't need a second copy

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jblack:

Yeah, I suppose with nfs or somesuch..

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otwin:

LabMonkey: didn't think of that. just knew that I had sound once, but it wasn't w/mythtv

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LabMonkey:

otwin: yeah NX has a program called nxesd which runs in the session on the nxserver to capture sound just as esd would, but instead of feeding that sound to the sound hardware on the server, it sends it over the network to the nxclient

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LabMonkey:

but if your applications don't talk to esd then their sounds won't be sent over the network

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kavorka^:

hi, have just upgraded to 0.20 from 0.19...running xvmc. with 0.19 my cpu was at 40%, now it is at 95% with 0.20...has anyone else experienced this?

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Weezey:

how do I set up a cron job to run every 10 seconds?

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jblack:

woot!

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qu0zl:

far as i know it's per-minute resolution Weezey, google will tell you

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qu0zl:

you could just run a script every minute that does the same thing 5 times with 10 second sleeps between for roughly that effect, or one script that runs forever with 10 second sleeps

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qu0zl:

i'd do it the 2nd way, one script that just loops forever with 10 second sleeps. You can put it in /etc/init.d and if you're worried about it add a cronjob to check it's still running every few minutes

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qu0zl:

though it shouldnt stop unless it's bugged of course :)

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kavorka^:

how do i redirect mythfrontend output to a log file?

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qu0zl:

/usr/local/bin/mythfrontend --verbose all > /home/mythtv/mf.log

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kavorka^:

thanks

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kazer_:

anyone here using nuvexport? or some kind of other exporter?

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gbee:

need some help guys – I'm expanding what audio types myth uses to describe a programme, currently just 'stereo' but I confess to knowing very little on the subject

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gbee:

so I need you lot to tell me what I should be adding e.g. mono, stereo, dolby digital etc

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Dibblah:

gbee: Errr... You're going to hate me if I actually suggest what I'm thinking.

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gbee:

maybe not Dibblah, go ahead :)

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Dibblah:

Most of the time, the flags are very grabber dependent.

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gbee:

yup

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Dibblah:

However, when is it actually going to be used in scheduling choices?

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Dibblah:

Some people will, I guess. But....

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Dibblah:

Would it be possible to fill it out from the actual recording?

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gbee:

well I actually agree, I don't understand the point of the stereo flag we currently have

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Dibblah:

The number of enumerations you need for the full set is also a bit long.

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Dibblah:

And we can't legally use any of the symbols, apart from Stereo / Mono, since they're all trademarked.

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gbee:

Dibblah: it *might* be possible to grab that info from the recording, would need the know the possible types if we want to do anything like show icons

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gbee:

don't _have_ to use the trademarked icons but that's a fair point :)

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ssstormy:

hello, I'm trying to fight out audio with my recordings

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ssstormy:

and while I think I have recording audio in my tv shows down fine

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ssstormy:

I cna't play it back

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Dibblah:

Well, for DD there's 7 sub formats.

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ssstormy:

I get errors about how /dev/dsp is busy

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Freman:

G'day fokls, my mythtv (lets call it box1) is currently set up with the front and backend in the same machine, I want to set up my dual core (box2) to do the transcoding for box1. I've already set up box2 with nfs access to box1, can anyone tell me where I should go from here? (perhaps in the form of a url?)

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gbee:

right now I consider it a choice between losing the stereo flag/icon or making it more useful – I could easily go either way

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gbee:

Dibblah: don't think we'd need to go as far as listing every sub-format :)

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Dibblah:

Yes, but DD goes down to mono. So just showing the format types doesn't help :(

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gbee:

the only time I think audio might come into scheduling decisions is for films – but even then it would probably be rare

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Freman:

hehe you don't have to use trademarked icons, just any icons with a legend

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kavorka^:

hi, have just upgraded to 0.20 from 0.19...running xvmc. with 0.19 my cpu was at 40%, now it is at 95% with 0.20...has anyone else experienced this?

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Dibblah:

Yes, because icons work so well in the frontend at the moment ;)

[11:24:21]

Dibblah:

If they're going to be useful, it's going to have to be obvious what they mean. Which isn't true for most of the themes atm.

[11:24:21]

gbee:

in which case getting rid of the stereo flag/icon seems best – saves me some work :)

[11:24:37]

Freman:

so, can anyone point me towards info on a secondary backend transcoder? (I don't want any transcoding at all done on the other machine)

[11:25:00]

Dibblah:

Really need to know which grabbers populate the field. We shouldn't be throwing away data that's free, really.

[11:25:09]

Freman:

gbee, if it makes you feel better, I've never ever noticed a stereo icon

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Dibblah:

Freman: Just set up another backend on it.

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Dibblah:

As long as it's not the MBE, I don't think it needs a capture source.

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Freman:

holey crap

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Dibblah:

And I'm not at all sure about MBE must have a capture source either ;)

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Freman:

it's almost time to upgrade my myth again

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Dibblah:

Uhhh... It's always time to upgrade Myth.

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Freman:

I'll stick with 0.19 becuase it's doing almost everything I need

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kavorka^:

well i wish i stuck to 0.19 as well now :(

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gbee:

Freman it's currently only used for Datadirect and EIT I believe, I've just added support for xmltv to use it but the way this is heading I'll be removing it before it gets committed

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Freman:

gbee, It won't make any difference here then

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Freman:

Australia is so ****ed up

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gbee:

ssstormy: you problem is the kernel lock on /dev/dsp – not directly related to myth, you need to establish what process is using /dev/dsp

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Dibblah:

fuser /dev/dsp

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Dibblah:

would be a favorite ;)

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ssstormy:

?

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Dibblah:

Something has /dev/dsp open. Find out who.

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ssstormy:

what's fuser?

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hads:

man fuser

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Dibblah:

Man. Fuser!

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Dibblah:

Sorry ;)

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gbee:

occassionally it can get confused, e.g. if I exit from a recording and another background process is waiting for the /dev/dsp lock to be released then the lock gets stuck

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hads:

:)

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ssstormy:

it gave me no output

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gbee:

I usually have to wait or restart MFE to get it working again

[11:31:20]

gbee:

some sort of race condition that I've never bothered to track down

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Dibblah:

Or, use ALSA.

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ssstormy:

but when I had alsa going it didnt work

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hads:

m -> edit recording

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Freman:

Some friends missed the jericho start, and after telling them about it they're real keen to see it

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ssstormy:

oh and btw, I ask it to convert something and it says ok, n then nothing happens...

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Dibblah:

If you were offering colocation and web hosting, would you really put http://tv.openhosting.co.uk up?

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gbee:

Dibblah: you wouldn't happen to have or know where to find some specs for EIT?

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Dibblah:

Specs as in what?

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Dibblah:

http://209.85.129.104/search?q=cache:h7wB33aK . . . lnk&cd=1

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Dibblah:

;)

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gbee:

looking for details of what descriptors might be sent for subtitles

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Dibblah:

http://webapp.etsi.org/action/OP/OP20060428/e . . . v010701o.pdf

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Dibblah:

maybe

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Dibblah:

6.2.42

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Freman:

My front/back end runs as root (At the time I just wanted it to work damnit), should my new backend run the same?

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gbee:

thanks, that'll do me

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Dibblah:

Freman: If you're on your own network, don't worry about it.

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Freman:

yeh

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Freman:

Directory to hold recordings: should be my nfsmount on the master yes?

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Freman:

I have run into an itty bitty problem tho, cannot create file /video/.test – directory is not writable

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Freman:

oh bugga, mythtv isn't the same userid on both boxes, is that bad?

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quicksilver:

Freman: it shouldn't matter as long as you teach nfs to map the userids

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Freman:

something else to learn I sppose (c:

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quicksilver:

man exports

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quicksilver:

there are mapping ptions in there

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Freman:

hmm no sound

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Freman:

cool will check it

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Freman:

can mythfrontend be told to use arts?

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Freman:

there's something seriously wrong here

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Freman:

I can watch like the first 2 minutes then it skips out

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LabMonkey:

that's strange

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LabMonkey:

I had problems like that with one of my cards under windows

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Freman:

first minute and a half

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LabMonkey:

with BeyondTV

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Freman:

I'm watching pre-recorded stuff

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Freman:

on a totaly remote machine

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LabMonkey:

but it was due to Norton Internet Security monitoring BTV's xml metadata files and picking up on MSN messenger spam heuristics

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Freman:

only security I got here is iptables

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LabMonkey:

ok so do the recordings themselves have sound present after that 1.5 minute mark?

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Freman:

sounds fine

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Freman:

the video drops out and it returns to myth

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LabMonkey:

oh

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Freman:

I fixed the sound by killing arts

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Freman:

nothing shows up in the console

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LabMonkey:

mfc

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LabMonkey:

err

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LabMonkey:

nfc

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Freman:

The video is good, I've watched it on the other box

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Freman:

CFLAGS="-O2 -pipe -march=athlon64 -msse3 -fprefetch-loop-arrays -ffast-math -ftree-vectorize -floop-optimize2" <- any of those known to cause problems with myth?

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LabMonkey:

ok

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LabMonkey:

bonnie++ making an 8GB file even on a thoroughly fast machine with hardware raid... takes a while

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Freman:

7.5 minutes in, crashes out the video

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fryfrog:

Anyone using ivtv 0.8.0, myth 0.20 and kernel 2.6.18?

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Freman:

it only happens on the two jerichos

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fryfrog:

Freman: mine does that on jericho too, complains about some errors in the video

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fryfrog:

*sometimes* it crashes

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fryfrog:

Cardoe: you probably aren't around, but i'm still trying to *actually* test ivtv-0.8.0 for real :)

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Freman:

the main box is fine

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Dibblah:

My goodness. The slingbox doesn't actually seem to run Linux :)

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Freman:

the x2 crashes exactly when Oliver (the cook thing) fades to black

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Freman:

even if I try to jump past it

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fryfrog:

oh, nm not the same problem then

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Freman:

on both episodes

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kazer_:

is there a way to install a backend without X ? (i meant install, not use)

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fryfrog:

kazer_: as far as i know, not really

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fryfrog:

you *could* probably export X?

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fryfrog:

but you *have* to run mythtv-setup at least :(

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fryfrog:

of course, you could install X and just *not* use it

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fryfrog:

I think myth needs to compile against the -devel type headers anyway

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kazer_:

ok thanks. in fact i'm running gentoo, and i'm building a headless box just to do the encoding (nuvexport) jobs.

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fryfrog:

ah

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fryfrog:

can it be un-headless while you build and set it up?

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fryfrog:

then chop its head off?

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kazer_:

i'd like to be able to install this without having to compile QT & X.

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kazer_:

hehe

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fryfrog:

ahhhhh

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fryfrog:

yeah, don't think you'll avoid that :(

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fryfrog:

did you try the "backendonly" use flag?

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fryfrog:

not sure what that will achieve, i'm sure you'll still end up needing qt and X

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kazer_:

mmm good though. i'm checking what it involves..

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Freman:

That's interesting

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Freman:

there appears to be corruption in either the mpg file, or the transfer of the mpg file over the network

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Freman:

because I just copied it from the nfs to local drive (4.8 gigs) and played it in xine, it shows up as being 17 minutes log

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kazer_:

"Builds only the backend component rather then the whole suite" maybe not what i'm looking for, but worth a try.

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Freman:

it only transferred 868 megs over nfs

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kazer_:

did you try another time?

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LabMonkey:

fryfrog: is there an overlay for that or just a home-brew ebuild?

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furfurfur:

kazer_, myth uses Qt for mysql, and Qt needs X. No way around it :(

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LabMonkey:

fryfrog: ivtv-0.8.0 that is

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kazer_:

fryfrog, the useflag may reduce the mythtv package build time, but not dependencies. i have 65 packages to build in both cases

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Dibblah:

Do Not Use Those PORTING Options.

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Dibblah:

Bloody stupid packagers.

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Dibblah:

Those should NOT be exported.

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Dibblah:

They do not work.

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Freman:

cp freman@bawx /video $ ls -lah /video/2010_20060921203000.mpg

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Freman:

-rw-r--r-- 1 mythtv users 4.4G Sep 21 21:51 /video/2010_20060921203000.mpg

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Dibblah:

(For example, preview image generation is BROKEN by them)

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Freman:

freman@hotbox ~ $ ls -lah /video/2010_20060921203000.mpg

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Freman:

-rw-r--r-- 1 messagebus users 402M Sep 21 21:51 /video/2010_20060921203000.mpg

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Freman:

I think I found the source of my problems

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kazer_:

furfurfur, QT for mysql? really? Isn't QT a graphic library?

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kazer_:

Dibblah, what are you talking about?

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LabMonkey:

kazer_: uhm, I think you can build a very minimal set of xorg packages

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furfurfur:

kazer_, Qt is a kitchen-sink library

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Dibblah:

QT is required. Mysql support in QT is required.

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kazer_:

lol furfurfur

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Dibblah:

kazer_: You're using Gentoo, I assume?

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kazer_:

LabMonkey, any tip on how to reduce them?

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kazer_:

Dibblah, bingo

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LabMonkey:

yeah I'm not volunteering for it, but honestly I'd like to see the qt mysql shit pulled out of mythtv and replaced with non-qt mysql routines

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furfurfur:

ditto. I'd love to build a small backend with no X

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LabMonkey:

and then mythtv made to support a widget set other than qt (gtk/gnome for example)

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kazer_:

LabMonkey, +1 if it allows to build backends without X dependencies

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Freman:

nfs suffers 4 gig limit?

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Dibblah:

As I said in my previous comment, the packager made a very bad decision in allowing the options that are only present to allow porting to be set by users.

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Dibblah:

kazer_ / LabMonkey: Not going to happen.

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kazer_:

Freman, depends of a kernel option i believe

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kazer_:

Dibblah, what do you call porting?

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LabMonkey:

Dibblah: not to start an argument, but why not?

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Dibblah:

Solaris, BSD, etc is porting.

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Freman:

which kernel options

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Dibblah:

The options shouldn't be exported because they _break myth functionality_.

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Dibblah:

And reduce the likelyhood that ANY gentoo user gets support.

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KaZeR:

Dibblah, so the backendonly flag is meant to build mythtv on non-linux nixes?

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LabMonkey:

I meant why not replace the qt mysql shit with non-qt mysql routines

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Dibblah:

To aid porting.

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Dibblah:

LabMonkey: Mysql isn't the only (or even the primary) place Myth uses QT.

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KaZeR:

Dibblah, but what appart from qt/mysql blocks us from building a backendonly box?

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Dibblah:

You're talking about a complete rewrite to change to another library. And it's not the direction Isaac has indicated.

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Dibblah:

Backend only doesn't do what you think it does.

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KaZeR:

Freman, i don't think it's related to a 4G nfs limit, since the copy failed at less than 1G

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LabMonkey:

well what I'm saying is that IMO the backend shouldn't need QT and the frontend could be capable of using something other than qt

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stuarta:

QT is used as a generic STL library inside myth

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LabMonkey:

note the "IMO"

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KaZeR:

Dibblah, ok, thanks for the precision

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LabMonkey:

STL?

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brad_mssw:

I've currently got an A64 3800+, 1G Ram, Nvidia 6600 PCI-E, 250G HD powering my main mythtv box (in my living room), but I want to add a second (hoping very small) myth frontend-only box in my bedroom to watch tv on my standard television (through S-Video), and just share the video over the network (I've got a 100Mbps switch right now, but can go gigabit if necessary). All my recordings are transcoded to MPEG4 to save space. What kind of horsep

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brad_mssw:

ower are we talking about needing for the frontend-only? I was looking at the Mini-ITX Via EPIA stuff, is that powerful enough to decode MPEG4?

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stuarta:

Standard Template Library

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LabMonkey:

ahh

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krisp_:

brad_mssw: original xbox

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KaZeR:

brad_mssw, get a retail xbox

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KaZeR:

krisp_, ;)

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** stuarta thought everyone knew what STL's were... **

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krisp_:

get one used for like $99 at eb

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LabMonkey:

yeah I'm having a stupid moring

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LabMonkey:

morning*

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krisp_:

and softmod it

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Freman:

KaZeR, what happens when you reach 4 gig and keep going?

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LabMonkey:

it's friday...

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Freman:

In almost every instance I've ever seen, it starts at 0 again

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KaZeR:

i bought my 2nd xbox for 50e (60$) at a friend

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Dibblah:

"WARNING: --disable-frontend is only intended to aid porting. WARNING: THIS WILL BREAK THINGS. You are on your own now."

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Freman:

so... when I've got a 4.8 gig file, it makes sense that it copied 800 meg

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LabMonkey:

Freman: time travel? kinda like exceeding warp 10?

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brad_mssw:

KaZeR, krisp_: really? that's the recommend route for a mythfrontend? everything supported (SVideo, audio, etc?)

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KaZeR:

Freman, maybe it's rather related to the fs you use on your nfs server?

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Dibblah:

That's the output which Cardoe is IGNORING for you when he exports these options to the USE flags.

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D-side:

Dibblah: er what?

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KaZeR:

brad_mssw, softmod it, install xbox media center (xbmc) with xbmc mythtv scripts. works really nice.

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LabMonkey:

Dibblah: not necessarily... The "Gentoo Way" is to present all possbilities to the user as options, thus allowing the user to do stupid shit on their own.

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KaZeR:

cheap, stable, easy as hell to use

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D-side:

brad_mssw: dont be cheap. chip that thing. :)

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KaZeR:

(and boot in less than 1 minute :)

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brad_mssw:

KaZeR: and powerful enough to decode MPEG4?

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D-side:

but he's absolutely right. an xbox is fantastic for a frontend.

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brad_mssw:

KaZeR: I have some hi-def recordings that it will need to down-convert, that are MPEG-4

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D-side:

an xbox will decode just about every video format there is, with the exception of HD

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KaZeR:

brad_mssw, yep. i'm using it as media center almost all time

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D-side:

xbmc is a damned joy to use.

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KaZeR:

i don't ever watch my recordings or xvids on my computer. TV and couch is much more comfortable :)

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D-side:

KaZeR: using 0.20 yet? the xbmcmythtv 0.20 release just came out. :)

[13:01:08]

KaZeR:

D-side, using it since yesterday :)

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D-side:

well, i just noticed it last night anyway.

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D-side:

heh

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brad_mssw:

D-side: you said with the exception of HD ... think it'll have problems taking an HD recording and down-converting it for use with S-video 720x480 or whatnot?

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D-side:

so i upgraded from 0.19 to 0.20, which apparently has mythweb issues.

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KaZeR:

i haven't noticed issues with mythweb yet.

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D-side:

brad_mssw: the thing doesnt have enough cpu to deal with HD.

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furfurfur:

D-side, gentoo? (for the mythweb issues)

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D-side:

KaZeR: it may just be an issue with the gentoo builds.

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D-side:

furfurfur: yeah, GreyFoxx was telling me about it last night.

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KaZeR:

brad_mssw, HD won't be read, but you were talking about downgrading, and mpeg4

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D-side:

and that xris is aware of it

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furfurfur:

it's a 3 line fix in mythbackend.php

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Dibblah:

Okay. May I apologise to Cardoe. I was pretty much spouting off without understanding.

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D-side:

furfurfur: oh yeah? i found the protocol change fast enough

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brad_mssw:

KaZeR: well, I'd rather not have to pre-transcode the video down ... I'd like the frontend to be able to do it on the fly

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KaZeR:

D-side, i'm using gentoo too. what issue did you found?

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D-side:

furfurfur: got a url?

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furfurfur:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/changeset?new=trun . . . ythweb@11218

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D-side:

KaZeR: latest mythweb (which appears to be pulled from svn) isn'tw orking with the latest 0.20 ebuild (also pulled from svn)

[13:03:43]

fryfrog:

D-side: check the bugs.gentoo.org, look at the one for latest

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fryfrog:

its a 3 line change

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D-side:

which i wish werent the case. I'd much prefer the actual release.

[13:03:55]

fryfrog:

i posted the fix on the bug

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Freman:

ummm the fs that's on my nfs server has the 4.8 gig files on it just fine

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D-side:

fryfrog: oh, excellent.

[13:04:04]

Freman:

(I think it's jfs)

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D-side:

furfurfur: and thanks to you as well.

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furfurfur:

np

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fryfrog:

D-side: the ebuilds are based on the 0.20-fixes branch of svn, so in this case its good

[13:04:44]

Dibblah:

However... http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/10963

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Dibblah:

is pretty explicit.

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Freman:

I've found out that it's using nfs2 which has the 4 gig limit

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fryfrog:

use "nfsvers=3" in the mount line

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fryfrog:

assuming you have support for 3 in kernel

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Freman:

hotbox etc # mount /video

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Freman:

NFSv3 not supported!

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KaZeR:

furfurfur, oh yeah that one. i fixed the file manually (the habit of using xbmcmythtv :)

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fryfrog:

fix that!

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Freman:

nvs3 client support is enabled in my kernel

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furfurfur:

KaZeR, I tried xbmcmythtv some time ago – was impressed but there was a problem with it picking the wrong audio stream for me.

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furfurfur:

It was *great* if I wanted the visually impaired audio though :)

[13:06:31]

KaZeR:

Freman, enable as module or built in?

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KaZeR:

furfurfur, lol. it works really fine for me now

[13:07:11]

Freman:

built in

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KaZeR:

what do you guys use to export your recordings you want to keep?

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KaZeR:

Freman, on the server side maybe?

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fryfrog:

about 800G of storage space :)

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furfurfur:

KaZeR, I just built a new f/e, grr. Have an xbox I could deploy in a nother room though

[13:07:55]

Freman:

yes, I just found the problem

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KaZeR:

fryfrog, i have 690, but it runs out os space too fast for me :)

[13:08:06]

Freman:

server had client v3 but no server v3

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Freman:

recompiling now

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** Freman goes and hangs head in shame **

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KaZeR:

Freman, np, it's friday, we understand :)

[13:09:21]

Freman:

no, my excuse is better – I've had helpdesk and it's 11:09 pm at night (C:

[13:09:43]

Freman:

these people better appreciate what I'm doing for them

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fryfrog:

Now to figure out what is wrong with ivtv :(

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D-side:

wow.

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KaZeR:

furfurfur, xbmc is THE media center. i just tested yersterday the blingbling version, instead of the t3ch i usually run, and it comes with some cools scripts

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D-side:

gentlemen, thanks for that fix.

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D-side:

now i can put off my migration from gentoo to ubuntu until i'm actually ready.

[13:11:31]

KaZeR:

from gentoo to ubuntu? mmmm

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KaZeR:

;)

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D-side:

KaZeR: as a gentoo user, I'm sure you don't understand that.

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D-side:

I know this because I too am currently a gentoo user. I've seen the light though.

[13:12:59]

KaZeR:

what appeals you to ubuntu? (not trolling or anything, just curious)

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D-side:

man that came off as being totally arrogant. i apologize. :)

[13:13:13]

KaZeR:

np dude :)

[13:13:22]

D-side:

KaZeR: as the days wear on, i'm just becoming completely lazy.

[13:13:35]

D-side:

i want my upgrade NOW, not in the 15 minutes it takes me to compile something.

[13:13:50]

D-side:

that and it really lets me be completely lazy and do nothing more than just pop a cd in and go.

[13:13:56]

KaZeR:

D-side, one of my favorite teacher always told me : you have to be smartly lazy

[13:14:06]

D-side:

sure i'll have to edit sources.list, but thats just cake.

[13:14:08]

KaZeR:

that's maybe the only thing i remember of his lessons :D

[13:14:15]

D-side:

KaZeR: its true. :)

[13:14:31]

KaZeR:

:)

[13:15:36]

KaZeR:

well, compilation time doesn't bore me more than that for the moment. i build my packages on a box, then dispatch them on my 2 others ones. the benefit of only running athlons :)

[13:15:58]

D-side:

thats not really the whole of my argument either though.

[13:16:13]

D-side:

i dunno. maybe I just miss debian too much, but am not crazy enough to run sid. :)

[13:16:30]

KaZeR:

:)

[13:17:09]

KaZeR:

in fact, that said, maybe taht's the only thing missing me from slackware. packages. on another hand, i really like the use flag features

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KaZeR:

so, exporting, anyone? nuvexport dies horribly when i try to export to xvid on my master backend.

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Freman:

YAY

[13:18:55]

Freman:

nfsv3 support!

[13:19:11]

KaZeR:

:)

[13:19:54]

Freman:

now... my backend won't start )c:

[13:20:15]

D-side:

KaZeR: ugh.

[13:20:30]

D-side:

why did you do that to me... now i'm one degree of seperation away from a slackware user. :D

[13:20:34]

Freman:

QSqlQuery::exec: database not open

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D-side:

i havent tried to export anything with nuvexport. i'll give that a shot right now.

[13:21:17]

KaZeR:

D-side, :)

[13:21:23]

KaZeR:

D-side, thanks :)

[13:21:38]

KaZeR:

Freman, have you rebooted? can you connect to your database from command line?

[13:21:50]

Freman:

yah, the client can see the database

[13:22:00]

Freman:

mythfrontend sees db fine

[13:22:03]

D-side:

oh

[13:22:10]

D-side:

psp and ipod targets now work!

[13:22:28]

KaZeR:

D-side, i'm not specifically focused on nuvexport, but i used to use it, and it worked fine, until some weeks ago (not related to my 0.20 upgrade, it was broken a few weeks before)

[13:22:50]

KaZeR:

D-side, now it just miss a profile for mobile phones mp4 :)

[13:23:02]

D-side:

hrm.

[13:23:04]

D-side:

Using the mpeg4 codec (h.264 mp4/ipod encoding requires the svn version of ffmpeg.)

[13:23:13]

KaZeR:

Freman, mythbackend -debug?

[13:23:31]

Freman:

oh

[13:23:36]

D-side:

i guess i'll find out if my ffmpeg version will suffice

[13:23:39]

Freman:

NOTE: Slave backends must not run a local MySQL daemon.

[13:23:46]

Freman:

I need it for web dev

[13:23:50]

Dibblah:

Of course they can.

[13:23:55]

D-side:

er

[13:23:58]

KaZeR:

D-side, ipod exports works for me, even if it's damn slow. it's xvid that's broken. and since mpeg2 cut has been removed, i'm clueless

[13:24:00]

Dibblah:

You just have to tell Myth not to use it ;)

[13:24:01]

D-side:

but. can't they just poitn to ar emote?

[13:24:11]

D-side:

KaZeR: why was mpeg2 cut removed?

[13:24:17]

D-side:

because its built into mythtranscode now?

[13:24:30]

D-side:

(the above may be technically incorrect, but i think it works along those lines)

[13:24:31]

Freman:

sure as soon as I can find WHERE it is

[13:24:55]

KaZeR:

D-side, good question :)

[13:25:13]

D-side:

ithink i'm right.

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KaZeR:

Freman, i think it's in /etc/mythtv. if i recall well

[13:28:56]

D-side:

what, mysql.txt ?

[13:29:03]

D-side:

that should suffice i think.

[13:29:33]

D-side:

if you're using that backend as a frontend also, you'd have to make sure the ~/.mythtv/mysql.txt is also the same, no?

[13:29:41]

D-side:

i think i'm talking out of my ass.

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KaZeR:

D-side, no, i think you're right

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[13:31:54]

Freman:

it's in /etc/.mythtv

[13:31:57]

D-side:

to be honest, i've just been USING mythtv lately, not f'ing around with it to make it go

[13:32:01]

D-side:

Freman: now stop that.

[13:32:14]

D-side:

that can't be true, and if it IS, some packager should be shot

[13:32:20]

Freman:

your telling me

[13:32:28]

Freman:

I can't work out my nfs permissions tho

[13:32:30]

D-side:

jesus is it really there?

[13:32:42]

GreyFoxx:

D-side: yeah, some packages put it there :/

[13:33:02]

D-side:

GreyFoxx: i dont think I have to tell you how much that makes me want to vomit. :/

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KaZeR:

Freman, gentooist?

[13:34:03]

KaZeR:

lol D-side

[13:34:08]

Cardoe:

hey KaZeR

[13:34:41]

Freman:

yay

[13:34:43]

Freman:

it's up

[13:34:47]

Freman:

yes, gentooist

[13:35:09]

KaZeR:

hey Cardoe :)

[13:35:16]

KaZeR:

Freman, weird

[13:35:22]

Freman:

yeh I know

[13:35:30]

Freman:

I checked on the other machine it's /etc/mythtv/.mythtv

[13:35:39]

Freman:

this one it's /etc/.mythtv

[13:35:46]

Freman:

but then the other one is VERY old install

[13:36:43]

Freman:

YAY!

[13:36:46]

Freman:

I can skip into the movie!!!

[13:40:12]

KaZeR:

brb coffee time

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metalac:

hey guys

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** Freman wonders if he has to have mythtv .20 to use mytharchive **

[13:46:47]

metalac:

I'm looking at my cpu usage and i see that X uses about 10%, mythfrontend 25% and mythbackend 5%

[13:47:00]

Cardoe:

Freman: yes'

[13:47:03]

metalac:

any way to reduce these? without XvMC

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** Freman bangs head on desk **

[13:52:05]

** furfurfur emerge syncs and sees if mythweb is fixed yet... **

[13:52:25]

Cardoe:

furfurfur: no

[13:52:37]

furfurfur:

ah, OK. The man himself. :)

[13:53:07]

furfurfur:

It seems to be working for me anyway, after manual patching

[13:53:19]

Cardoe:

yeah that's all that's needed currently.

[13:54:17]

Freman:

ach damn it... keyboard went flat, had to roll out the condom one (it's a roll up latex one, not entirely comfortable to use)

[13:54:21]

furfurfur:

Is there any reason that patch hasn't gone in yet? (genuinely curious)

[13:54:35]

Freman:

I've come all this way but can't transcode

[13:54:51]

Freman:

It just says failed with no reason

[13:55:20]

Cardoe:

furfurfur: I have something... but I've been busy lately.

[13:55:28]

Cardoe:

and with my MythTV box dead and broken

[13:55:31]

Cardoe:

I haven't been able to test.

[13:55:44]

Cardoe:

however the RMA request from Seagate just showed up.

[13:55:54]

Cardoe:

but I'm at work.

[13:55:56]

furfurfur:

Cardoe, ah OK. Hope you're back on your feet soon :P

[13:56:04]

Cardoe:

so I won't be able to take care of it until later.

[13:56:54]

Freman:

Can I get rma on mythtv?

[13:56:57]

furfurfur:

do you maintain many packages for gentoo?

[13:57:04]

brad_mssw:

furfurfur: yeah, and he's got an a$$hole of a boss

[13:57:47]

furfurfur:

brad_mssw, fair enough – I'm just fairly interested in the gentoo dev structure. Amazed it works :P

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brad_mssw:

furfurfur: oh, wasn't talking anything gentoo-specific there ... I'm a former dev ... got kicked out for not being 'nice' enough to users (i was the amd64 maintainer from it's infancy)

[13:59:53]

brad_mssw:

... apparently you're not supposed to call people certain words to their face, dunno

[14:00:40]

Freman:

Starting up as the master server. <- why does my slave think it's the master

[14:00:56]

dev:

beause you let him get a will of his own

[14:01:04]

dev:

you need to beat him into submission asap to put him back in his place

[14:01:06]

dev:

working the fields

[14:01:14]

dev:

PICK THAT COTTON *CRACKS WHIP*

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[14:02:20]

furfurfur:

brad_mssw, lol, politics. Don't envy your old job though – I use amd64, what a mess. (I mean general shitty chipsets etc)

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brad_mssw:

furfurfur: yeah, it's hard to play the politics game for working 30+hrs a week for free ... but whatever, i enjoy my spare time now :) I'll let others deal with all that

[14:17:15]

fryfrog:

Cardoe: hi :)

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Cardoe:

hey fryfrog

[14:21:09]

Cardoe:

know how to get in touch with hans?

[14:21:57]

fryfrog:

no :)

[14:22:03]

fryfrog:

but i msg'd some guy named "iggy"

[14:23:18]

** Freman sighs **

[14:23:31]

Freman:

still can't get it to transcode on the new machine

[14:23:43]

Freman:

the original macine just fails it

[14:23:43]

fryfrog:

anyone mount over nfs?

[14:24:32]

KaZeR:

fryfrog, i do

[14:24:44]

KaZeR:

Freman, my transcode is broken too.

[14:24:55]

KaZeR:

and this is really bugging me off

[14:25:03]

fryfrog:

KaZeR: could you /msg me your mount options? (rsize,wsize,etc)

[14:25:25]

KaZeR:

sure.

[14:25:32]

KaZeR:

defaults ones :)

[14:25:43]

KaZeR:

you want my entry from fstab?

[14:25:55]

fryfrog:

sure

[14:26:22]

KaZeR:

nothing fancy, eh :)

[14:26:52]

KaZeR:

it works for me. i export my while /home for various reasons. my recordings are in /home/store

[14:26:59]

KaZeR:

s/while/whole

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fryfrog:

oh, literally "defaults" :p

[14:28:26]

KaZeR:

yup :)

[14:29:14]

Cardoe:

brad_mssw: Dibblah is gonna have a cmake party with you.

[14:29:29]

brad_mssw:

what's he converting?

[14:30:13]

Cardoe:

Myth

[14:30:23]

KaZeR:

i had something more sophisticated a while ago, but i swtiched to another and didn't bore to tune it

[14:30:35]

brad_mssw:

ah interesting

[14:30:57]

Cardoe:

fryfrog: iggy is the Gentoo developer that maintained MythTV stuff before me

[14:31:04]

Dibblah:

No, in fact, I'm not. I'm just looking for something that isn't called "autotools" ;)

[14:32:18]

fryfrog:

oh

[14:33:12]

D-side:

oof. it takes a long damn time to transcode.

[14:33:18]

D-side:

nuvexport i mean.

[14:33:28]

D-side:

i wonder if i really NEED two-pass for silly little ipod videos

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furfurfur:

Oh crap. My plans for hooking up a nice Pana TH42PX600 to my myth box just went out of the window

[14:36:26]

furfurfur:

Apparently you can't drive the screen at it's native res with HDMI!??

[14:37:52]

fryfrog:

humm, my nfs is writing at what seems to be about .1 mb / sec :/

[14:38:00]

fryfrog:

why?

[14:38:05]

fryfrog:

furfurfur: i mean, why to you?

[14:38:06]

D-side:

furfurfur: er

[14:38:07]

D-side:

what?

[14:38:12]

fryfrog:

I drive mine as 1280x720 just fine

[14:38:21]

fryfrog:

720p that is

[14:38:53]

KaZeR:

D-side, two pass for an ipod is overkill imo. you can disable it. what is your export framerate?

[14:39:03]

KaZeR:

D-side, does your export to xvid works?

[14:39:42]

furfurfur:

fryfrog, you have a TH42?

[14:39:48]

furfurfur:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=8541462

[14:40:16]

furfurfur:

If the native res of the set is 1024x768, you'd want to drive it at that, surely?

[14:41:00]

D-side:

KaZeR: havent tried that just yet. :)

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D-side:

5.21fps

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Freman:

I make transcode work!!!

[14:41:38]

Freman:

turn off lossless compression

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Freman:

I know, kinda defeats the purpose, but by the time I cut 8 minutes off the front, 10 minutes of the back, and 9 minutes of adverts out...

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Freman:

takes 4.8 gigs to 2.1

[14:47:04]

D-side:

i wonder how well this h.264 will compress

[14:49:05]

furfurfur:

Anyone here running myth over HDMI or DVI to a plasma and running at native res?

[14:49:10]

** furfurfur is confussled **

[14:49:23]

Beirdo:

fryfrog, you still looking for NFS options?

[14:49:56]

Beirdo:

rsize=32768,wsize=32768,soft,posix,nfsvers=3,bg

[14:49:59]

Beirdo:

that's what I use

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dev:

hrmph

[14:51:16]

dev:

mine are different

[14:51:37]

Beirdo:

the truly important one is nfsvers=3

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Beirdo:

or =4

[14:51:41]

dev:

yeah agreed

[14:51:42]

dev:

noatime,actimeo=0,rsize=8192,wsize=8192,hard,intr,nfsvers=3

[14:51:46]

dev:

thats what i use

[14:51:50]

Beirdo:

otherwise you get 2G file limits

[14:51:59]

Beirdo:

eww, I hate hard mounting

[14:52:25]

Beirdo:

I've had more processes freeze that way... :)

[14:52:30]

dev:

yeah?

[14:52:37]

dev:

hrmph

[14:52:43]

Dibblah:

... Better with NFS4 ;)

[14:52:49]

Beirdo:

although with intr, I guess it's not too bad

[14:53:08]

Beirdo:

yeah, nfsvers=4 might work even nicer, but I've not bothered yet :)

[14:53:12]

Cardoe:

KaZeR: ping

[14:53:20]

Beirdo:

but certainly don't use 1 or 2 :)

[14:53:22]

Dibblah:

As far as the user is concerned, NFS4 is stateless.

[14:53:31]

Beirdo:

not for myth stuff anyways

[14:53:35]

Beirdo:

oh yeah?

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fryfrog:

oh, looks like it was "sync" vs. "async"

[14:53:41]

Dibblah:

However, it does have rather more dependencies than NFS3.

[14:53:42]

dev:

yeah i havent checked out nfs4 either, ive had no probs with my current setup.. so if it aint broke why fix it!

[14:53:46]

fryfrog:

what does bg do?

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Dibblah:

The billgates flag.

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Dibblah:

;)

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fryfrog:

I tried nfsvers=4, but i get not supported even though kernel has 4 support built in

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Beirdo:

allows it to mount in the background if the server's not immediately available

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fryfrog:

ahhhhhh

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fryfrog:

cool

[14:54:23]

Beirdo:

which during bootup is rather nice

[14:55:23]

Beirdo:

oh, and in case you were thinking of doing so... NFS with a hub is not really recommended

[14:55:30]

Beirdo:

full-duplex makes NFS livable

[14:55:50]

Beirdo:

half-duplex will give you collisions galore

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** furfurfur goes back to his 32" crt with composite lead **

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fryfrog:

soft,intr,rsize=32768,wsize=32768,async,nfsvers=3,bg

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Beirdo:

should do

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fryfrog:

It will *eventually* be 1000mbit switched, currently is 100mbit switched

[14:56:54]

Beirdo:

100mbit switched is decent :)

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fryfrog:

have you used nfsvers=4?

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Beirdo:

not as of yet, no

[14:57:05]

fryfrog:

yeah, but i have 1000mbit switch so may as well use it

[14:57:11]

Beirdo:

:)

[14:57:11]

fryfrog:

me either, didn't work just changing the vers

[14:57:16]

xrothgarx:

is there a list of all of the mythtv flags that can be used in the wiki?

[14:57:18]

Beirdo:

my core servers are on a gige switch

[14:57:32]

Beirdo:

although my fileserver doesn't have gige yet :)

[14:57:34]

Beirdo:

hehh

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dev:

my slavebackends are both 100mbit, but its a 1000mbit trunk connecting the 2 switches, where my fileserver is in the computer room on 1000mbit

[14:58:14]

Beirdo:

nice

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Beirdo:

a decent design

[14:58:30]

dev:

havent had any problems with throughput

[14:58:44]

Beirdo:

I'd expect not

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fryfrog:

can't one do a multi-line fstab?

[14:58:50]

dev:

though its not hd yet! hehe

[14:58:56]

fryfrog:

blah blah?

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Beirdo:

fryfrog, not that I know of

[14:59:06]

Beirdo:

just let it be a LONG line :)

[14:59:10]

fryfrog:

so *has* be be one line?

[14:59:15]

fryfrog:

bah, hard to read :p

[14:59:19]

Beirdo:

as far as I know

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Beirdo:

yeah, sucky, but such is life

[14:59:31]

dev:

i think it needs to be one long line yeah

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dev:

since its not a shell script

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dev:

hehe

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dev:

Beirdo: does the guy brian knight irc in here or the dev channel or anything?

[15:00:59]

dev:

i guess i could just email him..

[15:01:08]

Beirdo:

not sure

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seth|laptop:

what exactly does mythpretty do?

[15:01:43]

dev:

patch he wrote for ticket 1153 totally fixed the reported problem for me, i wanted to let him knmow heh

[15:01:47]

dev:

i'll email him, thanks

[15:01:56]

Beirdo:

now that's cool

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dev:

oh dr, bradley kite not brian knight. where the hell did i come up with that name

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dev:

hehe

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Beirdo:

couldn't say, but it rings a bell

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fryfrog:

100mbit ~~ 10mb/sec, right?

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dev:

10–12

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Beirdo:

100mbit = absolute max of 100/8 = 12.5MB/s

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fryfrog:

so getting 9mb/sec over nfs is respectable

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fryfrog:

on 100mbit

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Beirdo:

yeah, 9MB/s is pretty decent

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fryfrog:

8192 got me about 9.5, that 32something got me about 9

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Beirdo:

9 millibit ain't

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fryfrog:

not that it is a big diff :)

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fryfrog:

i was getting 26k/sec with sync on!

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ivor:

what a day. :(

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Beirdo:

well, tweak the window sizes to fit your needs :)

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Beirdo:

whatcha testing with?

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fryfrog:

now to figure out what the hell is wrong with ivtv

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fryfrog:

dd

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Beirdo:

ah

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fryfrog:

dd if=/dev/zero of=51MB bs=512 count=100000

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fryfrog:

aparantly it reports speed now!

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Beirdo:

it will julienne fries if you ask it right, I bet

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fryfrog:

why the hell was sync so slow?

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fryfrog:

does it do a "sync" after each tiny write?

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Beirdo:

because sync waits for every write to finish...

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Beirdo:

yeah, AFAIK

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fryfrog:

ah

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fryfrog:

zounds :)

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Beirdo:

better for things that MUST be kept sane, but sucky for performance

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Beirdo:

oh good GOD

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

I forgot that my build server has some video files in it

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

rsyncing it to create another vserver. ooops

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Beirdo:

good thing I have lots of disk

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D-side:

i am mad about the speed this is transcoding in.

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fryfrog:

hehe

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D-side:

i demand it get an order of magnitude faster!

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fryfrog:

okay, now wtf is wrong with ivtv 8 :/

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DigerLAP:

Im thinking of getting this emachine today -> http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=5027231 and also this card -> http://www.circuitcity.com/ssm/Hauppauge-WinT . . . uctDetail.do |all seems like an ok Idea from what I have read, here is the back of the card -> http://www.hauppauge.com/images/pvr150-250_ep_bg.jpg

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DigerLAP:

my tv doesnt have s-video only composite (rca jacks)

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DigerLAP:

I do however have a ratshack demodulater, will I have to use that?

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D-side:

you can use the rca out just fine.

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D-side:

er

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D-side:

wait a minute.

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D-side:

no, a 150 uses the rca jacks for INPUT

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D-side:

not output.

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DigerLAP:

yes thats why im asking, I need a good card choice I can go purchase tonight

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fryfrog:

if an mpeg compresses from 100mb -> 5mb, it probably doesn't contain any video :/

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DigerLAP:

preferraby with aremote

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D-side:

DigerLAP: only pvr card that does output like you want is a PVR-350, and its very doubtful you'll find that in a brick and mortor store.

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D-side:

if you're talking about buying online, you'll be fine.

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Beirdo:

ah hell

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Beirdo:

I forgot to apt-get clean too

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Beirdo:

I SUCK today

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DigerLAP:

hrmmm

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Dibblah:

There's also the fully-featured pieces of... hardware from Hauppauge for DVB-s...

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KaZeR:

Cardoe, pong ?

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DigerLAP:

D-side I may not have it all in my head just right, what I want to do it get a smalle emachine, load myth and have it in a cabinet and it play on the tv, I want audio and video on the tv

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DigerLAP:

I am uncertain how the tv cards work

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DigerLAP:

never had one

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fryfrog:

DigerLAP: running linux, it might be a better idea to *not* buy a low end crap machine

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seth|laptop:

tv card captures the tv signal, what you need is a video card with a tv out.

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fryfrog:

you'll spend a *lot* of time getting drivers working for the obscure hardware that only windows seems to support

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DigerLAP:

ok

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KaZeR:

D-side, still transcoding to mp4 ?

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fryfrog:

unless you can verify what chipset it uses, audio, etc

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seth|laptop:

from the looks of that emachine, you'll need a pci-express nvidia card

[15:20:31]

DigerLAP:

http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=5027231

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Dibblah:

Suggestion is a Via motherboard, most of the time.

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DigerLAP:

thats the one I had in mind

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DigerLAP:

$384

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Dibblah:

Unless you want HD. Then you want a high-end Via motherboard ;)

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Dibblah:

ie the epia series, etc.

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DigerLAP:

since I only have basic cable I have no real need in HD

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** seth|laptop worries that a epia board would melt on him, they are just sooo small **

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fryfrog:

I'm a fan of nforce boards :/

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ivor:

although the epia cn400's will do hd too.

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fryfrog:

but they don't make those cute tiny pcs in em i ton' think

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Dibblah:

fryfrog: That's exactly the problem with the nforce boards.

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Dibblah:

The fan. ;)

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fryfrog:

hehe

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fryfrog:

you should hear my current test FE :)

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fryfrog:

its like a helicopter!

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Dibblah:

? Unstable and prone to crash?

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Beirdo:

and fires rockets at your toy trucks?

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Cardoe:

KaZeR: MythStreamTV... dead upstream? No longer works? Are you still interested?

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fryfrog:

Anyone tried ivtv-0.8.0 with 2.6.18 kernel? It doesn't seem to be switching to composite input, but the audio is :/

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fryfrog:

humm, maybe it has em confused i spose i could try svideo

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KaZeR:

Cardoe, just saw the mail from bugzilla. i haven't used it for months now, and there were no new releases at sourceforge. nor updates to cvs. seems dead..

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dev:

hah im still useing ivtv 0.4.2

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dev:

because it aint broke

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dev:

so i aint fixing it!

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KaZeR:

i can try to contacts the devs, to know if it's officially dead.

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fryfrog:

okay, i get static from tuner 0, and black from svideo/rca :(

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KaZeR:

by the way, isn't there a feature now to stream from mythweb natively? i think i saw somethink like that yesterday, but it didn't work out of the box

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Dibblah:

KaZeR: No. Transcode is native, but not streaming.

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Beirdo:

my development server now has 18 vservers

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Beirdo:

heh

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seth|laptop:

Ok, I have figured out what mythpretty is, it runs automagically, and the result is what shows up in the recordings section on the mythbox, my question now is, If I change the mythpretty name will it also change the way it shows up in the recordings menu??

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Beirdo:

and will be 19 shortly

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Dibblah:

A vservers DSW? Are you serious? ;)

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Beirdo:

hmm?

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Beirdo:

DSW?!

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Dibblah:

Well, size war are the second and third words.

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Dibblah:

Zzzzzzzzp. Plonk.

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KaZeR:

Dibblah, http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Release_ . . . .20#MythWeb, first entry of the list

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Beirdo:

ah

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Beirdo:

who said anything about a war? :)

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Dibblah:

KaZeR: Oooh. Okay.

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silent_scream:

hey all

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Cardoe:

KaZeR: yeah new update might support it natively

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KaZeR:

hi silent_scream

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KaZeR:

Cardoe, nice! ever tried it?

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Dibblah:

Second time today I've been misleading people. Sheesh. I should just give up.

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silent_scream:

well i use ubuntu and when i'm trying to install mythtv i get this error "mythtv-database: subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1

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silent_scream:

E: mythtv: dependency problems – leaving unconfigured" where can i get some help?

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Cardoe:

http://bugs.gentoo.org/buglist.cgi?query_form . . . iltype2=subs

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Cardoe:

tring&email2=&bugidtype=include&bug_id=&chfieldfrom=&chfield to=Now&chfieldvalue=&cmdtype=doit&order=Reuse+same+sort+as+last+time &field0-0–0=noop&type0-0–0=noop&value0-0–0=

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Cardoe:

hrm.

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fryfrog:

that is a long ass url :p

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Cardoe:

KaZeR: nope. that's why I said might

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Beirdo:

jeez

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Cardoe:

http://tinyurl.com/lagam

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KaZeR:

ok thanks

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Beirdo:

muuuuch better :)

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Beirdo:

heh

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Cardoe:

;)

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fryfrog:

what are those bugs?

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fryfrog:

open gentoo / myth bugs?

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KaZeR:

fryfrog, i was asking mysqlef the same question :)

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KaZeR:

wow. i'm too used to type mysql, now mysql fingers assume this word when it starts my "mys" :)

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KaZeR:

damn. same typo twice without wanting it

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silent_scream:

anyone that can help? a howto or something?

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Dibblah:

silent_scream: You have Mysql / QT3 /....?

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KaZeR:

silent_scream, sorry i know very few (read nothing) about debian

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silent_scream:

yeap

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silent_scream:

i installed id by apt-get

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Dibblah:

Okay. No idea.

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Dibblah:

I install from SVN, like God intended.

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dev:

god is a wanker dont listen to him

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dev:

he'll tell you to invade countries and shit

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silent_scream:

well

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silent_scream:

i'll figure it out some way

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silent_scream:

thnx anyway

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KaZeR:

anyone knows what could cause nuvexport to xvid to die like this? (0 frames encoded in 6 hours, then segfault) : http://www.kazer.org/nuvexport.txt

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Juski:

bastard NTL & their channel renumbering! 'Improvements' my eye. moving to 3-digit channel numbers for channels already on terrestrial is _not_ nice

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dev:

my lovely cable company switched the one of 3 channels i watch to digital only

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scopeuk:

Juski yeh that was a bitch when they renumbered all the channels

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scopeuk:

and terestial chans have been 3 digit a long liong time

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dev:

and when they did it, they said the channel requiested it. when i called the channel, they said the cable company forced it

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DigerLAP:

D-side Im gonna ask you the same question I asked another.

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DigerLAP:

well im needed help, I am making a trip out of town tonight and was hoping to get all the parts I need to make a mythtv setup, im stuck at shopping for a good video card. I have this tv http://www.buy.com/prod/RCA_27_Standard_Defin . . . 2877082.html and want to display the output of myth onto it. The tv has Video 1 Input L + R + V & S-Video & Side A/V Jacks L + R + V. If I get a GeForce FX 5500 which ha

[16:15:24]

DigerLAP:

s svideo out, What will I do about audio? or is there another card I should choose? I will be shopping at circuit city and best buy

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dev:

um

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dev:

output from the soundcard?

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scopeuk:

so you jsut need a stereo jack to phono lead

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scopeuk:

out soundcard line out

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scopeuk:

into tv jack in on av

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Juski:

scopeuk: BBC1 was '1' for ages.. it's only just gone to '101' for us this week. If they keep this up I'm gonna be just another churn statistic

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scopeuk:

1 has been 101 on our box at home for 4 – 5 months

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scopeuk:

infact since it was isntalled

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dev:

Finished recording Your Weather Today: channel 1062

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Juski:

200Mhz PPC CPUs are not up to the job of running their middleware shite either.. they need to wise up to that

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dev:

4 digits ftw!

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Juski:

another thing I'm pissed off about is that you can't turn off all the interactive 'press red' bollocks either

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Juski:

we only have the 'family pack' costing £25 a month for one channel anyway. Maybe I should talk to Mrs Juski about cancelling

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scopeuk:

which chan?

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Juski:

paramount comedy

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scopeuk:

fair enough

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scopeuk:

cant say i've ever watched that though i think i do have it iirc (at home not uni)

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Juski:

if I dump NTL completely I'd need $ky & ADSL

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Juski:

and as rotten as NTL is, I'd rather gouge my eyes out than give Murdoch any money

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Juski:

wish there was a subscription based satellite service you could use with a PC...

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Merlin83b:

What do you need of sky, Juski?

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Juski:

Paramount Comedy mostly

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Merlin83b:

Isn't that all old repeats though?

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Juski:

we can get by without the 'lifestyle' channels & all the music loop channels

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scopeuk:

take the £25 a month and use it to buy the nessasery dvd's off play.com

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Merlin83b:

You could probably buy the box sets and save money :)

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Merlin83b:

Hey, good plan scopeuk :)

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Juski:

there's not much worth watching twice

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Juski:

that's why I tend not to buy DVDs

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Merlin83b:

Sign up to a DVD rental place and rent the series then.

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scopeuk:

get the monthly subscription blockbuster thing

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scopeuk:

we think to much alike

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Juski:

multichannel TV sucks arse

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scopeuk:

multichannel audio kicks ass :-)

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scopeuk:

sorry word assosiation thread training

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Juski:

yeah that's another thing about NTL.. no fucking AC3 on their streams, not even on the movie channels!

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scopeuk:

heh not that you can get at the streams anyway

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scopeuk:

hell i have one friend who if he uses his net his tv goes out completly

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Juski:

oo nice, I don't think

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scopeuk:

they dont care its a freebee and they have sky installed properly on the "much bigger" tv downstairs

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Juski:

'Click' were talking about TV companies possibly being worried about user-generated content last weekend. Pfft. I need more than 'funny' block as hell videos to entertain me!

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Juski:

s/block/blocky

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scopeuk:

who doesent

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Juski:

FWIW we'll prolly be better off just cancelling the channels we hardly ever watch

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scopeuk:

thats why i have friends its kinda the same minus the blocks

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scopeuk:

such is student life

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Juski:

heh

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Juski:

maybe it's time to get a proper life instead of watching so much telly :)

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scopeuk:

i currently cant watch tv

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scopeuk:

not license and no reciver here

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scopeuk:

thats being resolved shortly though

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scopeuk:

ok im going out in search of food

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Juski:

almost time for me to make some Thai noodley stuff

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** ivor pines for Thai food. **

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[mbm]:

a license to watch tv?

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quicksilver:

yup, in the UK we need licenses to watch tv

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[mbm]:

you're kidding right?

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GreyFoxx:

he's not kidding

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GreyFoxx:

to own a TV over there you pay a yearly fee

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Hoxzer:

:D in finland you need too

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Hoxzer:

or it is said to be needed

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Hoxzer:

however there are some guys that dont buy it and watch tv

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quicksilver:

[mbm]: it's the means by which national TV is financed

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[mbm]:

ah

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quicksilver:

[mbm]: so, in effect it's an "optional" tax

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quicksilver:

so that people who thought TV was a worthless newfangled idea weren't paying out of their taxes for national TV

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[mbm]:

thought for a second there was some certification process involved to qualify you ;)

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quicksilver:

it looks a bit anachronistic now, but to be honest it makes little different to me whether it's taxed separately or together :)

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quicksilver:

we do have extremely high quality national TV in the UK and it's nice that it's commercial-free

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[mbm]:

over here we pay through the nose for basic cable and get a few hundred channels of basically infomercials

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Tommck:

Hey all.. I am reinstalling my front end with Ubuntu Dapper and the 0.19 packages and, since it's a front-end ONLY machine, I didn't want to install the backend or the database. The problem is that I don't have mythtv-setup on my machine. What package is that in?

[17:47:34]

Tommck:

(these are the "hamster.net" packages for Ubuntu)

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fryfrog:

if it is FE only, i think all you need is a mysql.txt that points to the db

[17:48:10]

fryfrog:

and the fe will connect that way and save settings there

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Tommck:

fryfrog – ahh.. and that goes where now?

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fryfrog:

mythtv-setup is for backend config

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Dibblah:

~/.mythtv

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fryfrog:

there :)

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Tommck:

what's the format in there?

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D-side:

don't suppose the gentoo mythweb packager is in here

[17:48:40]

fryfrog:

though i think it does look a few places

[17:48:41]

Tommck:

(I don't have one)

[17:48:49]

fryfrog:

D-side: i think mythweb just got updated

[17:48:53]

fryfrog:

why?

[17:49:19]

D-side:

it did get updated, and its b0rk.

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Tommck:

got the format from my other machine

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Tommck:

thanks guys for the quick response

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fryfrog:

in what way, i have not switched to it yet

[17:50:11]

fryfrog:

protocol miss-match?

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D-side:

not even. problem with the patching.

[17:54:14]

D-side:

Cardoe: oh! i thought the mythweb maintainer was someone else.

[17:54:35]

D-side:

as in, gentoo package maintainer.

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fryfrog:

yeah, think he does it all

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fryfrog:

ebuild doesn't even finish or?

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D-side:

no, fails while trying to patch in something

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D-side:

damnit.

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D-side:

tried to paste a url to cardoe and instead flooded him with the contents.

[18:17:27]

opello:

dj D-side

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opello:

gj*

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hjohnson:

wow.. the company pays me $0.415 per km to drive places..

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hjohnson:

far more than I had expected.

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hjohnson:

so I didn't save 'em much money by driving to seattle..

[18:19:55]

opello:

that's not so bad

[18:20:13]

opello:

i got $0.35/mi on an interview trip

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fryfrog:

any response D-side ?

[18:21:08]

D-side:

not yet, but i'm sure he's busy

[18:21:21]

opello:

_svn to _pre iirc?

[18:22:04]

fryfrog:

i am taking a look at it now, the ebuild doesn't actually seem any different

[18:22:17]

opello:

i thought there was a typo

[18:22:23]

fryfrog:

it *looks* like how it works is that it gets the .20 release, then patches it between .20 and .20-fixes

[18:22:26]

opello:

look in the files dir

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fryfrog:

oh?

[18:22:43]

opello:

see if the patch is blah_svn#### or blah_pre####

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opello:

i thought he'd said in here that it was fixed in portage though

[18:24:42]

fryfrog:

the patch is being run from the wrong dir

[18:25:38]

Cardoe:

I actually had meant to mask that version..

[18:25:49]

opello:

oh, oops, thought it was the problem from before

[18:26:00]

fryfrog:

it looks like it is the eclass that is messed up, no?

[18:26:05]

fryfrog:

cause the eclass takes care of the patching

[18:26:30]

fryfrog:

the patch is failing cause it is running in ${WORKDIR} not ${S} I think?

[18:27:03]

fryfrog:

er, no that isn't it

[18:27:13]

fryfrog:

if you apply the patch *from* the dir, it works fine

[18:27:18]

fryfrog:

just need to fix the ebuild

[18:27:23]

fryfrog:

er, eclass?

[18:28:06]

Dagmar:

Before I completely BONE my filesystem, what bits are appropriate to change for "mount -o remount,resize /mount" to do what it's supposed to do? (i.e., make the filesystem larger)

[18:28:15]

Cardoe:

well the eclass should be stock across all

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Cardoe:

I see the prob

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Dagmar:

Do I go ahead and make the partition larger before I do that and it'll assume it needs to max out the size or what?

[18:28:31]

Cardoe:

the $S needs to be diff for mythweb then all the other stuff

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Cardoe:

cause webapp-config

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fryfrog:

ahhhhhh

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fryfrog:

i'll wait for you to make the change then :)

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fryfrog:

emerge --sync will sync up eclass right?

[18:31:49]

Cardoe:

yes

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Cardoe:

but the change wasn't to the eclass

[18:31:56]

Cardoe:

it was to the ebuild

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Cardoe:

which is overwriting things from the eclass

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Cardoe:

which I wish it wasn't

[18:32:11]

Cardoe:

but oh well

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fryfrog:

ah

[18:32:17]

Cardoe:

I'm gonna try to clean stuff up some more

[18:32:19]

Cardoe:

when I get a chance

[18:32:30]

Cardoe:

my MythTV box is at home running dd_rescue now

[18:32:36]

Cardoe:

I went to lunch and started that up

[18:32:38]

fryfrog:

i didn't realize until i just looked that you grab the "official" 0.20 package, then use patches to bring it up to fixes branch

[18:32:49]

Cardoe:

yeah

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fryfrog:

i like that :)

[18:32:56]

Cardoe:

which is why I can't use 0.20a

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fryfrog:

ah

[18:33:06]

Cardoe:

since it would screw with the patching

[18:33:33]

fryfrog:

did you update the ebuild in portage yet?

[18:33:38]

Cardoe:

yeah

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fryfrog:

spiffy

[18:34:20]

Cardoe:

http://tinyurl.com/qym5p

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fryfrog:

cd "${S}"

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fryfrog:

that what you added?

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Cardoe:

cd "${S}/.."

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Cardoe:

then cd ${S}

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Cardoe:

it's a hack for now

[18:36:04]

Cardoe:

to get around the problem

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fryfrog:

i don't see that in the url?

[18:36:32]

Cardoe:

doh

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fryfrog:

wtf does cd ${S}/..?

[18:36:37]

fryfrog:

do

[18:36:46]

alieas:

Does MythTV take advantages of Dual-Core processors? Do you need to be running a SMP kernel for it to take advantage of dual cores?

[18:37:00]

Cardoe:

it brings it to the top level directory for the plugins

[18:37:04]

fryfrog:

ah

[18:37:05]

D-side:

oof. thats quite a question.

[18:37:06]

scopeuk:

smp is required to use dual cores fully

[18:37:13]

Cardoe:

fryfrog: the CVSweb server is a delayed

[18:37:14]

fryfrog:

alieas: yes, you need smp for dual core (and HT)

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Cardoe:

scopeuk: at all

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D-side:

scopeuk: that doesnt answer the question either.

[18:37:23]

D-side:

the last half maybe.

[18:37:39]

fryfrog:

alieas: and while mythtv isn't *written* specifically for smp, it'll help anything

[18:37:42]

Cardoe:

alieas: Part one... not really but yes... since different processes can do other stuff.

[18:37:54]

Cardoe:

alieas: like X can think while MythTV thinks

[18:38:02]

Cardoe:

alieas: part two: totally required

[18:38:18]

scopeuk:

D-side it answeres one of them

[18:38:20]

alieas:

Cardoe: Hmm, that sounds good because sometimes x will take up 70% CPU and MythFrontend will take up the other 30%

[18:38:22]

fryfrog:

alieas: anything that spawns multiple threads can use smp, so in myth for instance you could allow your box to spawn *2* low/medium cpu usage jobs and they would run at the same time

[18:38:25]

seth|laptop:

would a dual core cpu make mythcommflag play nicer?

[18:38:52]

D-side:

probably.

[18:38:54]

Cardoe:

seth|laptop: again... it can do two things at once

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fryfrog:

I've got a dual xeon, ht box so it has "4" cpus (2 fake ones)

[18:39:05]

D-side:

fryfrog: showoff.

[18:39:10]

fryfrog:

no no, i'd trade it

[18:39:12]

fryfrog:

they are slow

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Cardoe:

fryfrog: wrt ivtv from the 0.8 branch I really wanna split up the ebuilds to firmware and driver

[18:39:17]

fryfrog:

2.4ghz, 400mhz fsb?

[18:39:18]

Cardoe:

ivtv being driver

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fryfrog:

Cardoe: not a bad idea, then you could give the firmware use flags

[18:39:37]

Cardoe:

and "hauppauge-firmware" as the firmware.. unless someone gives me a better name

[18:39:41]

fryfrog:

so you only get usb, if you need it

[18:39:43]

fryfrog:

etc

[18:39:49]

fryfrog:

i'd say ivtv-firmware

[18:39:53]

alieas:

I bought a AMD64-X2–4600 and it will barley playback HDTV. crazy huh? I'm running amd64-generic, so I gues I have to "make menuconfig" and recompile the kernel with SMP support? (will check /proc/cpuinfo on my lunch break)

[18:39:54]

fryfrog:

cause it isn't only for hauppage cards

[18:40:03]

D-side:

i think i want to replace my 250s. what do i get?

[18:40:06]

Cardoe:

but it's not just for ivtv cards

[18:40:08]

D-side:

alieas: uh.

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opello:

D-side: 500s :)

[18:40:19]

opello:

if still analog

[18:40:23]

D-side:

alieas: a 4600 X2 will play hdtv just fine.

[18:40:23]

Honk^away:

D-side: why do you want to replace 'em? =)

[18:40:24]

Cardoe:

fryfrog: it'll have the rest of the hauppauge lineup in there

[18:40:25]

fryfrog:

alieas: you *have* to have smp for dual core, but even ONE 4600 should play hd like a champ

[18:40:52]

fryfrog:

to replace em, you gotta go HD :)

[18:41:00]

Cardoe:

alieas: amd64 generic? what distro?

[18:41:15]

alieas:

fryfrog: I thought it would, everything is installed real clean like. I just have to pause after switching channels and then BOB2x will playback fine but stutters before the pause (no XvMC either)

[18:41:22]

alieas:

Cardoe: Ubuntu Breezy

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seth|laptop:

alieas, unless you are running knoppmyth r5d1, then even smp won't help. Something broke after r5c7, which is why I'm waiting to upgrade

[18:41:44]

fryfrog:

that is odd, i am playing HD cleanly on an amd64 3000+ and on a dual xeon 2.4ghz box

[18:41:49]

alieas:

D-Side: I have a PVR-500 I want to trade for two 150's or 250's. the 500 is bridged and incompatible with the Asus A8V mobo (bummer)

[18:42:08]

fryfrog:

alieas: what do you mean "bridged" and incompatible?

[18:42:15]

** seth|laptop wishes he had another pvr150 **

[18:42:18]

fryfrog:

I have 3x PVR250s and might be tempted to trade :)

[18:42:23]

** seth|laptop would trade in a heartbet **

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fryfrog:

1x MCE, 2x retail

[18:42:34]

alieas:

fryfrog: does not work while using AGP card, only works with PCI video card because the A8V/Kia chipset has it's own bridge

[18:42:42]

seth|laptop:

s/heartbet/heartbeat

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fryfrog:

so does that mean it is unlikely to work on other boards as well? or is your situation the rare one?

[18:43:08]

alieas:

my PVR-500 has the new samsung tuners so you guys probably wouldn't want it anyways. Probably just eBay it

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fryfrog:

does ivtv-0.8.0 / 2.6.18 not add good support for it?

[18:44:01]

alieas:

fryfrog: if you have the VIA-KT800 chipset I would stay away from any dual tuner cards... you can google "a8v pvr-500" will find lots of info on it. I was disappointed to find out after I bought it

[18:44:07]

Honk^away:

what's wrong with those tuners anyway? =)

[18:44:27]

fryfrog:

I've got nforce4 on the amd box and something else on the intel, made by intel

[18:44:30]

Dagmar:

alieas: Oh you ran into that, too? I have *two* A8V boards here I was so stymied by that stupid @#$@ PCI bridge problem

[18:44:35]

Dagmar:

Retardomatic BIOS

[18:44:41]

fryfrog:

Honk^away: they are just new and don't have great support yet

[18:44:43]

alieas:

Honk: just not supported as well but the latest .18 kernel has native support but I'm not sure if it is exactly the same as the pre-samsung tuners

[18:44:44]

Dagmar:

I figured the first one was broken

[18:45:03]

fryfrog:

Honk^away: my PVR-250s, 2 of the 4 were "new" tuners and i had to either patch ivtv or go with the latest svn / cvs of it

[18:45:03]

Honk^away:

i see :)

[18:45:09]

alieas:

fryfrog: pvr-500 should work fine on nforce

[18:45:26]

fryfrog:

alieas: shoot me an email at fryfrog@gmail.com

[18:45:32]

Dagmar:

It'll even work on *some* VIA KT800 chipsets, but NOT the plain A8V

[18:45:39]

fryfrog:

i don't *use* my PVR250s for recording real shows, so i'd be happy to trade and wait

[18:45:42]

Dagmar:

The board will not even BOOT with a PVR-500 in it

[18:45:48]

alieas:

Dagmar: did you ever get them to work? I'm running the 0221 BIOS, but 0226 is newer

[18:46:34]

Dagmar:

alieas: Dude, I even went and got the BIOS image for a different sub-model of the A8V that they supposedly fixed it for, transplanted the module into the 226 BIOS and STILL no functionality

[18:46:49]

Dagmar:

Now I see why they didn't release a fixed BIOS for it

[18:46:58]

alieas:

Dagmar: yeah no boot here either. weak. ASUS & Hauppauge. I also have a Creative Audigy2 card that says "24 bit recording" right on the box, yet the drivers do not support ASIO 24bit recording. Its amazing what you get from reputable companies

[18:47:08]

fryfrog:

so if you switched to a PCI card, it'd be okay?

[18:47:16]

alieas:

fryfrog: yes works fine with PCI video card

[18:47:28]

fryfrog:

you can get PCI 5200nvidia cards right?

[18:47:31]

Dagmar:

Yeah, it's the presence of a _second_ PCI bridge on the BUS that freaks out the BIOS

[18:47:45]

fryfrog:

its not like agp/pci-e *really* is that much better

[18:47:59]

fryfrog:

humm, how would one tell if you already *have* a pci bridge?

[18:48:15]

alieas:

yeah especially for MythTV. but I bought a 6600GT/AGP in hopes that someday there would be H.264 GPU accel in Linux...

[18:48:21]

Dagmar:

fryfrog: "You just do" is a good answer, but do an lspci and look at the output very closely on the leftmost column

[18:48:58]

Dagmar:

The first two numbers "00:" is the bus number

[18:49:11]

fryfrog:

00:01.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82875P Processor to AGP Controller (rev 02)

[18:49:15]

fryfrog:

00:03.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82875P/E7210 Processor to PCI to CSA Bridge (rev 02)

[18:49:15]

Dagmar:

If you see "01:" there as well, usually the AGP port, then you know there's a bridge there

[18:49:18]

fryfrog:

00:1e.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801 PCI Bridge (rev c2)

[18:49:23]

fryfrog:

ahhhhh

[18:49:38]

fryfrog:

sorry bout the not very big paste :)

[18:50:22]

fryfrog:

alieas: anyway, i'll trade if you like. or if you sell on ebay, maybe you can get enough to buy 3x cards or something :)

[18:50:25]

Dagmar:

fryfrog: Look at http://pastebin.ca/186252

[18:51:17]

alieas:

fry: sent you an email, I have to go pick up my car right now, I'll be back online in an hour and half or so...

[18:51:47]

fryfrog:

see ya :)

[18:51:59]

fryfrog:

Dagmar: i don't really see anything i would say was odd, can you put a * on it or something?

[18:52:19]

fryfrog:

or just paste the odd line here :)

[18:52:28]

Dagmar:

fryfrog: Note the "05:"

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fryfrog:

ahhh

[18:53:04]

fryfrog:

my two 250s are on 03:

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fryfrog:

so, if i stuck a pvr500, they'd be on 04:?

[18:53:19]

Dagmar:

fryfrog: Here's the same thing with a tree-view added http://pastebin.ca/186257

[18:53:22]

fryfrog:

or 05:

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Dagmar:

When you have ONE card showing up as multiple devices, there's a bridge involved

[18:55:01]

fryfrog:

ah

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D-side:

i changed my mind. :D

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Dagmar:

In the case of the A8V/PVR-500, for whatever reason, it's a fatal problem

[18:55:53]

Dagmar:

The board will do the POST screen, then show the system hardware inventory screen, and then lock up hard

[18:56:07]

Dagmar:

...like right when it should be going to find the boot media, *crash*

[18:56:50]

fryfrog:

ah

[18:57:07]

fryfrog:

any idea why they added another pci bridge?

[18:57:19]

fryfrog:

instead of doing it how most others do, i guess?

[18:57:27]

fryfrog:

humm, wait

[18:57:33]

fryfrog:

so could you *have* 2x PVR 500s?

[18:57:40]

fryfrog:

in a box that worked with 1x that is?

[18:57:47]

Dagmar:

Who added?

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fryfrog:

Asus?

[18:58:22]

Dagmar:

The PVR-500 has a bridge in it because it literally means that Hauppauge only has to find a way to fit the circuitry of the bridge and two PVR-150's on one card and then they're done

[18:58:36]

fryfrog:

right, i get that

[18:58:43]

fryfrog:

but if having 2 bridges confuses systems...

[18:58:47]

Dagmar:

If a board will work with one PVR-500 it'll almost certainly work with two of them

[18:58:52]

fryfrog:

does that mean you cannot use 2x PVR 500s in one box?

[18:58:55]

fryfrog:

ah

[18:59:21]

Dagmar:

fryfrog: The problem with the A8V is that the BIOS is too stupid to be able to tell the bus that has the hard drives on it apart from the bus with the video tuners on it

[18:59:26]

Dagmar:

It can't find the hard drives, and so it geeks

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fryfrog:

ahhhhhhhhh

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Dagmar:

This is why the things work fine on every board but this one

[19:00:03]

Dagmar:

The A8V is just very dim when ti comes to that

[19:00:15]

fryfrog:

sucks :/

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Dagmar:

...and I suspect it's deeply ingrained stupid, since ASUS has patched BIOSes that were supposed to make the other models at least able to boot

[19:00:53]

Dagmar:

Well, I'm just going to sell the boards I have to some people locally, making sure they're not going to try to stick PVR-500's in them

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Dagmar:

They're good boards aside from that

[19:01:28]

Dagmar:

If someone wanted to use a PCI video card, they'd be fine

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Dagmar:

...just the moment you try to use the PVR-500 on the A8V *and* it's AGP port at the same time, *blammo*

[19:02:16]

D-side:

thats just stupid

[19:02:50]

Dagmar:

Yo this is why I think I'm just going to stick with buyign ASRock ULI boards from now on

[19:02:52]

fryfrog:

how many pvr500s did you buy?

[19:02:54]

Dagmar:

Zero problems so far

[19:03:08]

D-side:

asrock = asus after all

[19:03:14]

fryfrog:

does it?

[19:03:46]

fryfrog:

I used to get pretty much only Abit or Asus, but MSI is what I seem to have gotten a lot of recently

[19:04:12]

Dagmar:

Actually, ASUS spun off their home/economy division as ASRock

[19:04:23]

fryfrog:

ahhhh

[19:04:33]

Dagmar:

I was using an MSI-6712 until the CPU I had in it blew out

[19:04:39]

Dagmar:

I liked that I could brand the BIOS

[19:05:17]

Dagmar:

I can't do that with these ASROck boards

[19:06:18]

D-side:

fryfrog: im mad as hell at msi.

[19:06:27]

fryfrog:

oh?

[19:07:26]

Juski:

fryfrog: I've heard of plenty folks using more than one pvr500 in a box

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fryfrog:

Juski: cool, thanks for the info :)

[19:08:18]

fryfrog:

I woudln't have thought it was the case that you couldn't use more than one

[19:08:21]

fryfrog:

er

[19:08:24]

fryfrog:

if i said that right :)

[19:08:49]

Juski:

the makers of erm.. umm... MediaPortal have a showcase system with 4 of them or something daft like that

[19:08:52]

Tall-guy:

guys, I run a pvr350 with X on it....my box has a decent nvidia card with tv-out on it.....is it possible to run X on the pvr350 AND the Nvidia (albeit outputting to different TV's), so I can do stuff like MythGame on the Nvidia?

[19:09:16]

Juski:

Tall-guy: yeah with 2 x servers I think

[19:09:23]

Dagmar:

Definitely two X servers

[19:09:27]

fryfrog:

damn, 4x PVR500???

[19:09:39]

Dagmar:

fryfrog: That's kinda requiring SATA for storage

[19:09:44]

Juski:

fryfrog: yeah they did a resilience test with it

[19:09:51]

Tall-guy:

juski: is it "sane" or am I askin for trouble?

[19:09:52]

fryfrog:

Tall-guy: I suppose so, but I doubt there are many guides

[19:09:52]

Dagmar:

That many PVR-500's I think could choke an IDE drive to death

[19:10:02]

Juski:

funny, but I couldn't get it to work with ONE tuner let alone eight :-P

[19:10:18]

fryfrog:

Tall-guy: I've read articles about putting 4 video cards and 4 kb/mouse/mon on one system with X

[19:10:24]

fryfrog:

ie, one pc for 4 stations at a library

[19:10:34]

fryfrog:

Dagmar: i doubt it :)

[19:10:41]

Juski:

Tall-guy: no idea on how to configure two X servers, but it's very do-able allegedly

[19:10:52]

Tall-guy:

I want my cake (nice pvr350 output), and eat it too (nice mythgame/mame stuff on the nvidia)

[19:10:52]

fryfrog:

i think hard drives go at 20–50mb / sec, a pvr 250 streams at what, 1mb/sec or so?

[19:11:11]

Dagmar:

fryfrog: It's the PCI BUS that'll be the problem

[19:11:21]

fryfrog:

I streamed 4x PVR250s over *network* to a system

[19:11:28]

fryfrog:

so it can't be more than about 2mb/sec

[19:11:43]

Dagmar:

fryfrog: On certain sloppy chipsets that will remain nameless, you can actually choke the IDE bus to death from just the two tuners going at the same time

[19:11:55]

fryfrog:

i doubt it'd choke the pci buss either

[19:12:05]

Dagmar:

The problem is that it runs the latency of the bus beyond the point where the IDE controller can tolerate it

[19:12:10]

fryfrog:

but that'd be due to bad interrupts or something, not bandwidth issues

[19:12:15]

Dagmar:

fryfrog: Search "gentoo pci latency pvr-500"

[19:12:23]

fryfrog:

ah, yari could see that easy

[19:12:23]

Dagmar:

There's mentions of it, as well as how to fix it

[19:12:32]

Dagmar:

I've actually run into it when I had my setup misconfigured a bit

[19:12:44]

Juski:

oh hell not more Via bashing. I'm sure if all the peeps who have Via issues hadn't bought cheap-ass motherboard they'd have been fine

[19:12:49]

Dagmar:

lol

[19:12:55]

Dagmar:

I said they would remain namelss

[19:12:58]

radi0head:

Juski; Have you ever played with a PVR-150 grey remote ? I have the default /etc/lircd.conf (hauppauge config) and http://wilsonet.com/mythtv/lircrc-haupgrey-g3.txt and sometimes, I press a button on a remote and it doesn't respond, anyone here ever get that?

[19:13:21]

Tall-guy:

radi0head: but sometimes it does?

[19:13:26]

Juski:

radi0head: the only remotes I've ever played with are the ones I have here, and none of them are a Hauppauge model

[19:13:55]

Dagmar:

ah damnit

[19:14:08]

Dagmar:

I forgot to scan the remote before I left to find out what codes the guide button sends

[19:14:09]

Juski:

irrecord is king in my house

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radi0head:

Juski; k

[19:14:37]

Tall-guy:

radi0head: u using "irw" to test?...or mythfrontend?

[19:15:02]

radi0head:

The remote works fine, just not responsive enough, like I said, I press a button in mythtv, it works, but sometimes I press and nothing happens.

[19:15:20]

D-side:

i dont know how that equates to "works fine"

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radi0head:

D-side; Well, It's just say that all the buttons are assigned to what they are supposed to do.

[19:16:38]

Dagmar:

radi0head: Might wanna make sure that lirc and the serial port or whatever are getting along

[19:16:46]

Dagmar:

Signals can't exactly get lost between lirc and Myth

[19:17:05]

Dagmar:

...but there's LOTS of ways lirc can screw up

[19:17:11]

Juski:

radi0head: if irw always responds on time, maybe look at the lircrc file & alter the delay or repeat values

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[19:17:40]

Dagmar:

I'd run ircat for awhile and poke buttons

[19:17:48]

radi0head:

I'll give you and example, I'm in the mythtv menus, going to settings / general and going through next, next, next, next and then I press the forward button and nothing happens, I press again and it works, next, next etc...

[19:17:53]

Dagmar:

If it doesn't seem to be quite in step, it's time to look at the hardware config a bit more closely

[19:17:56]

** stuarta is already drinking beer and watching myth **

[19:18:09]

Dagmar:

or at least everything between the lirc config file and the reciever

[19:18:43]

Dagmar:

radi0head: Sounds like the lirc config could use some tweaking or you're maybe (small maybe) having an IRQ issue

[19:18:56]

radi0head:

Dagmar; That's what I thought.

[19:19:00]

Dagmar:

radi0head: *Forget* myth entirely for hte moment

[19:19:08]

radi0head:

Dagmar; k. Good idea.

[19:19:19]

Dagmar:

Just use `ircat mythtv` and press away on those buttons

[19:19:29]

radi0head:

Dagmar; k

[19:19:41]

Dagmar:

Where the signal goes after lirc "gets it" can't really go wrong

[19:19:49]

Dagmar:

Something would have to be BADLY munged up for that to not work

[19:20:17]

Dagmar:

...but there's lots of ways trying to listen to a bunch of what is effectively morse-code over an IR reciever can go awry

[19:20:28]

Dagmar:

...and I mean LOTS

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Dagmar:

Something could have an interval specified that's just slightly far enough out of spec that a delay needs lenghtening

[19:20:57]

Dagmar:

...or you could have a slightly unstable clock in your remote

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radi0head:

Dagmar; I think that's the reason.

[19:21:14]

Dagmar:

I had one remote about 8 years ago that I basically smashed with a hammer once I figured out what was wrong

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Dagmar:

I was using the IR port on my Toshiba to decode

[19:21:44]

Dagmar:

...and yes, you can do that with them. It's just a very crude use of the things

[19:21:50]

radi0head:

Dagmar; heh, I have a Toshiba P10-S429

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Dagmar:

This one remote I got made by AST had a nice "mousepad" d-pad on it, and felt very nice

[19:22:15]

Dagmar:

HOWEVER, the timer in it was completely fucked

[19:22:26]

Dagmar:

I wrote a perl script to basically take the place of mode3

[19:23:00]

radi0head:

Dagmar; OKay, I'm running ircat mythtv, and same thing happens, afetr like pressing 8 (more or less) times on the same button, I press again and the answer is like milliseconds delayed, and then I press and nothing happens, I press again and it works.

[19:23:11]

Dagmar:

It would watch the status line on the port, and then tell me exactly how many msecs between pulses, and work out the standard deviation and common denominator pulse lengths

[19:23:31]

Dagmar:

radi0head: Okay, so pretend now that you're doing your OWN config for it from scratch

[19:23:40]

radi0head:

That's chinese for me man.

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Dagmar:

Use irw to find out what codes and so forth are being sent and check those delays with the lirc config file

[19:24:02]

fryfrog:

D-side: Did you see the simple fix to that ebuild?

[19:24:17]

D-side:

antec... fusion...

[19:24:19]

D-side:

must own...

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Dagmar:

radi0head: You will probably want to read the lirc documentation in it's entirety for this part

[19:24:42]

radi0head:

Dagmar; Sure.

[19:24:44]

D-side:

fryfrog: no, i just reverted back to the previous version (which i fixed per your url this am)

[19:24:46]

Dagmar:

radi0head: This isn't something that lends itself well to explanation over IRC.

[19:24:53]

D-side:

fryfrog: i'll just wait. :)

[19:24:54]

radi0head:

Dagmar; I understand.

[19:25:05]

Dagmar:

radi0head: Like, if I had a whiteboard and 20 minutes I could teach you, but we have no whiteboard and markers here.

[19:25:05]

Dagmar:

Heh

[19:25:17]

radi0head:

Dagmar; You've been a great help so far, hehe, nice.

[19:25:18]

fryfrog:

D-side: it was easy, just fine the part with the word "patch" in the ebuild, add "cd {$S}/.." right aboe

[19:25:26]

fryfrog:

do an "ebuild blah digest

[19:25:30]

fryfrog:

and it'll merge

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fryfrog:

i just did, and amd testing and using mthweb now on it

[19:25:46]

Dagmar:

radi0head: I been playing with IR stuff for a very long time now

[19:26:12]

radi0head:

Dagmar; I have to do some stuff, I'll be back later on, thanks a lot, from now on, i'll try to talk to you about my IR problems :)

[19:26:17]

Dagmar:

I've used it to set up stuff to disable cabinet sensors in racks

[19:26:24]

radi0head:

haha sweet

[19:26:50]

fryfrog:

disable cabinet sensors?

[19:27:00]

Dagmar:

Yeah, there's a rack somewhere still where you have to use an emerson remote (or clone) and type "31337" to disable the door sensors if you don't want the klaxon going ogg

[19:27:05]

Dagmar:

s/ogg/off/

[19:27:21]

fryfrog:

like, server rack?

[19:27:23]

Dagmar:

Yep

[19:27:27]

fryfrog:

with a built in alarm or something?

[19:27:33]

fryfrog:

ah, silly :p

[19:27:34]

Dagmar:

ABout $30 in parts

[19:27:54]

Dagmar:

YThere was a problem with techs moving wires around without provisioning them

[19:28:04]

fryfrog:

ahhh

[19:29:11]

Dagmar:

Anyway, I was absolutely furious with that AST remote because after I looked real closely with what it was doing, it was kinda like if you were listening to a rock song played by a band where the drummer was drunk and hallucinating

[19:29:37]

Dagmar:

There was absolutely no way to do anything with the jibbering it made

[19:29:57]

fryfrog:

ahah

[19:30:03]

Dagmar:

Pulses could be anywhere from 50%-400% the lengths they should

[19:30:21]

fryfrog:

did it even work with *their* software / what ever?

[19:30:25]

Dagmar:

You can't do any decoding unless there's at least SOME semblance of a standard pulse length

[19:30:34]

Dagmar:

It wouldn't work with anything at all

[19:30:37]

Dagmar:

It was just broken

[19:30:53]

Dagmar:

I aws just really pissed that I had to write a whole bunch of stuff from scratch before I found this out for sure

[19:31:21]

Dagmar:

In retrospec I probably could have just replaced the timer crystal

[19:31:33]

Dagmar:

...but, I felt that there was some stuff that needed avenging

[19:31:56]

Dagmar:

Like, a weeks worth of my time, GONE

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Dagmar:

150Gb copied, 80Gb more to go

[19:32:41]

Dagmar:

I think maybe I should have benchmarked this lvm2 volume

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Dagmar:

I wonder if there's something hideously wrong with Slackware's lvm2 package that I'm about to find out

[19:33:38]

fryfrog:

hahah

[19:33:43]

radi0head:

Dagmar; Are you using the one from testing/ ?

[19:33:57]

fryfrog:

I still don't *quite* see the point of LVM if yhou are using RAID

[19:33:58]

Dagmar:

I mean I expect 250Gb to take a while to copy from one drive to another, but not this long

[19:34:14]

Dagmar:

radi0head: I don't like the sound of where this is going

[19:34:25]

Dagmar:

Let me guess, that one's broken all to hell

[19:34:33]

radi0head:

Dagmar; I mean the one from extra/

[19:34:40]

Dagmar:

I am not going to be amused if I have to upgrade to 11.0 for this. Heh

[19:34:52]

radi0head:

Dagmar; I'm running -current

[19:34:56]

Dagmar:

radi0head: The one in testing/ is the one apropos for use with Slackware 10.2, which is the base I'm using

[19:35:08]

Dagmar:

I really get the feeling I should have just built my one

[19:35:11]

Dagmar:

s/one/own/;

[19:35:18]

radi0head:

Dagmar; Oh, I thought you were running -current at first.

[19:35:39]

radi0head:

Yeah, it was in testing/ back in 10.2

[19:35:43]

Dagmar:

Pat has been so very hesitant to move up to the new stuff you can do with 2.6.x, and it's starting to make him get way behind

[19:35:49]

radi0head:

in -current, it's in extra/

[19:35:59]

Dagmar:

radi0head: no, I'm one of those evil Dropline developers, so I do *not* run -currentl

[19:36:14]

Dagmar:

radi0head: Well, except for on the install I've been building the 2.16 stuff

[19:36:34]

Dagmar:

I really *do* like Pat's stability

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radi0head:

Dagmar; In 10.2 you had the choice between bare.i and 26test.s (or something)

[19:36:47]

Dagmar:

I just don't like having to do all the research myself to get stuff like HAL and dbus working

[19:36:57]

Dagmar:

radi0head: I'm not about to run those kernels. Sorry.

[19:37:13]

Dagmar:

I have a freakin X2 3800+ and a single-core 3200+ in my myth box

[19:37:16]

radi0head:

Dagmar; You do not need to be evil dropline gnome devs to run -current :)

[19:37:27]

Dagmar:

They won't even behave stably on 64-bit CPUs for some reason

[19:37:34]

Dagmar:

every time I've pushed his kernels, they crack

[19:37:40]

radi0head:

Dagmar; 2.4?

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Dagmar:

Yeah

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Dagmar:

I've just been building my own 2.6.x kernels for awhile now

[19:38:19]

Dagmar:

BTW I have an entire slew of binary packages and scripts for this stuff if you want

[19:38:26]

radi0head:

Dagmar; I'm running -current from sept 29 and 2.6.18 from testing/

[19:38:31]

radi0head:

It's extremely stable

[19:38:45]

Dagmar:

I've got all the crazy little multimedia codecs neatly packaged

[19:38:50]

radi0head:

I have like 50 slackbuilds I made in my spare time.

[19:39:09]

Dagmar:

Slowly but surely going back over them and ironing out the wrinkles like not getting the higher order optimizations right

[19:39:21]

Dagmar:

radi0head: I have, um... Lemme see. Heheh

[19:39:40]

Dagmar:

291 or so

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radi0head:

I have a slackbuild of mplayer (svn and stable) which fetches everything (codecs, fonts, gui) and package it into one package , mplayer :)

[19:40:00]

radi0head:

It's amazing

[19:40:13]

Dagmar:

You should really check out the thing we use to build Dropline with

[19:40:25]

Dagmar:

I ported it over from some stuff I've been using for about 8 years

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radi0head:

I've made rc.mythbackend and rc.lircd scripts yesturday

[19:40:34]

radi0head:

included them into my slackbuilds

[19:40:46]

Dagmar:

Downloads sources, checks permissions on files deployed, keeps logs, etc.

[19:41:06]

Dagmar:

Anything I've built in probably the last month and a half I can go back and look at the logs on

[19:41:16]

radi0head:

hehe

[19:41:25]

radi0head:

Ney man, I'm really short in time

[19:41:28]

Dagmar:

...which I have had to do on more than one occasion to figure out what linked to the wrong whatever

[19:41:31]

radi0head:

s/Ney/Hey

[19:42:01]

Dagmar:

I'm a big fan of "if you have to do it more than twice, make it a formal function"

[19:42:07]

radi0head:

I have to go, i'll remember your nick and we will talk about this later, nice seeing another devoted slack user :D

[19:42:19]

Dagmar:

So like, no one has to look out for info files, compressing man pages, etc

[19:42:36]

radi0head:

hehe

[19:42:57]

Dagmar:

I got so sick of telling people they left stuff like that out of their package and it needs to be fixed

[19:43:03]

Dagmar:

...and leaving it out myself.

[19:43:11]

radi0head:

SOmuch things to do, so little time... brb.

[19:43:20]

Dagmar:

I'll keep an eye out for you

[19:45:02]

Honk^away:

is there any tutorial that explains the settings and requirements i need to transcode my videos to a format other than mpeg2? ;)

[19:45:04]

Dagmar:

Ouch. Houston, we have a problem. "LOC: 9261074"

[19:45:14]

Dagmar:

I think that's supposed to be zero, but I dont' remember why

[19:45:18]

Dagmar:

Gotta dig

[19:45:32]

Dagmar:

Honk^away: God I wish

[19:45:49]

Dagmar:

Honk^away: Mainly you just have to figure out every little detail of what you want and tell transcode

[19:46:05]

Dagmar:

You have to be VERY explicit about it

[19:46:33]

Dagmar:

It's really cool about not changing your frame rate and making everyone talk like they're on quaaludes if you're careless

[19:46:49]

Dagmar:

</sarcasm>

[19:47:07]

Honk^away:

urgh :]

[19:47:26]

Dagmar:

Ah once you get your head around it the first time it's not that hard. It's just *tedious*

[19:47:34]

Dagmar:

Most of the time I just slap nuvexport and say "make it happen"

[19:47:56]

Dagmar:

Get the cvs version of nuvexport and try it. Probably a lot simpler

[19:48:15]

Dagmar:

It doesn't care that you're not exportin from nipplevideo

[19:48:39]

Dagmar:

It seems to be able to tell transcode the right things about the source files

[19:48:57]

Dagmar:

...and you get some sensible control over the output it makes

[19:49:19]

Dagmar:

it's just not fast and you will also find out very quickly just how stable or unstable some of your codecs are

[19:49:29]

Honk^away:

i'll check it out :]

[19:49:35]

Honk^away:

ta

[19:49:41]

Dagmar:

ffmpg, faac, faad2 are the triad of evil in this respect

[19:50:13]

Dagmar:

I would so love it if they would stop using private copies of each others damn libraries

[19:50:31]

Dagmar:

Every time I try and build those it makes me wanna cry

[19:51:11]

Honk^away:

install gentoo =)

[19:51:40]

fryfrog:

gentoo, FTW!

[19:52:09]

Dagmar:

Library a will have symbol xyz with arguments d, f, and q being passed to a private copy of library F, meanwhile the developers of library F have switched the order of d, f, and q, to be d, q, and f. So what happens when these functions meet in the same binary?

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Dagmar:

GREAT HILARITY ENSUES

[19:52:33]

Dagmar:

Better yet when two symbols with the same name get imported into the same binary.

[19:52:38]

Dagmar:

INsta-bang

[19:52:58]

Dagmar:

The only thing using Gentoo would get me is a bunch of patches that I would otherwise have to sort out myself

[19:53:06]

fryfrog:

hehe

[19:53:13]

Dagmar:

...and I'm quite capable of raiding their repos and just stealing the patches when I need to

[19:53:15]

Dagmar:

:)

[19:53:33]

Dagmar:

I tell people when I make patches so I figure it's even-steven

[19:53:39]

fryfrog:

STEALING IS ILLEGAL, YOU GOTO HELL! :)

[19:53:46]

Dagmar:

Yes but this is open-source

[19:53:55]

fryfrog:

remember, downloading is stealing! you don't want to put the set builder out of buisness!

[19:54:01]

Dagmar:

So it's merely the autonomous propagation of bug fixes.

[19:54:25]

Dagmar:

The set builder was probably making twice what I was at the time, doing a much more complex job

[19:54:49]

Dagmar:

I never much cared for seeing people working on assembly lines complaining they're not making enough at $25/hour

[19:55:04]

Dagmar:

...not when so many other jobs want so much more skill and pay way less

[19:55:15]

Dagmar:

I know set builders are closer to $100/hour

[19:55:57]

Dagmar:

I don't think they're going hungry with the amount of money the studios pay them

[19:56:59]

Dagmar:

Did you ever thank the theater manager for accusing you of crimes?

[19:57:04]

Dagmar:

I did that a few times.

[19:57:27]

Dagmar:

It's kind of in poor taste to show those kinds of announcements.

[19:57:37]

fryfrog:

thats a good idea

[19:57:40]

fryfrog:

actually

[19:57:52]

Dagmar:

"You're our paying customers, but we're going to go ahead and give you all a nasty message about how we don't like that you might be stealing from us."

[19:58:32]

fryfrog:

thats a good point, why the *fuck* are those commercials in the theater?

[19:58:44]

Dagmar:

If a department store had security people who went around and *said* to customers "You'd better not shoplift!" no one would be shopping there

[19:58:45]

fryfrog:

obviously, anyone *there* is *paying* for the damn thing and isn't stealing it

[19:58:57]

fryfrog:

and anyone *recording* it to sell is going to clip the shit out anyway

[19:59:03]

Dagmar:

Yep. They stopped showing them around here

[19:59:13]

fryfrog:

nice

[19:59:19]

fryfrog:

i can't recall if i have seen one or not

[19:59:26]

fryfrog:

even *worse* is when they put them on the DVDQ!!!

[19:59:40]

Dagmar:

I own a lot fo media, and I'm real particular about buying the stuff if at all possible (like, if it's distributed here or I can import it)

[19:59:49]

Dagmar:

I don't like being accused of stuff I'm definitely not doing

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alieas:

fryfrog: heh, thats your wife huh?

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fryfrog:

who is?

[20:12:30]

alieas:

on fryfrog.com

[20:12:37]

fryfrog:

ah, yes *maybe*

[20:12:41]

alieas:

the blond girl ?

[20:12:43]

fryfrog:

my sister and her new husband also have some pics there

[20:12:48]

fryfrog:

krikey, blond?

[20:12:49]

Dagmar:

This isn't her on the right of http://www.collegehumor.com/picture:1701165/context/search:rally ?

[20:12:51]

fryfrog:

my wife is korean :)

[20:13:18]

alieas:

fry: so yeah I'm in Phoenix, AZ. where in the states are you?

[20:13:20]

Dagmar:

I honestly have no idea what's going on in that video, BTW.

[20:13:54]

Dagmar:

So don't ask me. I can't figure it out. I think those people probably need heavy sedation therapy. Don't take that as a slight.

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Beirdo:

congrats on the marriage, fryfrog. I got married in May :)

[20:14:25]

alieas:

wow... that sure is an interesting one there Dagmar...

[20:14:43]

Dagmar:

alieas: I think perhaps drugs have gone somewhere very very strange since LSD was invented

[20:14:45]

fryfrog:

company firewall blocked *that* dagmar :p

[20:14:55]

fryfrog:

alieas: atlanta, ga :)

[20:14:58]

fryfrog:

i just replied to you

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Dagmar:

It's totally clean content

[20:15:03]

fryfrog:

what was that USB & Remote stuff?

[20:15:08]

fryfrog:

did the pvr500 come with a usb remote?

[20:15:20]

alieas:

oh the USB Infra-Red adapter and the MCE remote control

[20:15:21]

fryfrog:

Beirdo: thanks, we got married in july :)

[20:15:32]

fryfrog:

alieas: ah, which came *with* the pvr500?

[20:15:41]

alieas:

yeah its the PVR500-MCE I guess

[20:15:49]

fryfrog:

i bet the remote is nicer than the one with the pvr250 :)

[20:16:05]

fryfrog:

i'd be happy to just trade cards for cards, if you like the remote

[20:16:11]

fryfrog:

and don't wanna screw around with that stuff

[20:16:26]

fryfrog:

just gotta take my one MCE and a retail, so i can actually *use* any of the parts i can find :)

[20:16:33]

alieas:

card for cards would be great... don't want to mess with it its working good now

[20:16:45]

fryfrog:

fine with me :)

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fryfrog:

I'll send you my mailing address, i guess we should insure the stuff for about $100?

[20:17:19]

fryfrog:

think that usually comes with UPS / FedEx at least

[20:18:08]

alieas:

yeah the pvr-500 is worth about $100. I won the auction for $117 but that was with the remote

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fryfrog:

I sent you my address

[20:18:51]

fryfrog:

I get off a bit early today, so I'll go yank out a PVR250 and pop it in a box with the 250MCE and mail it :)

[20:20:48]

fryfrog:

Also: I honestly haven't used any of these 3 cards for about 6 months

[20:21:02]

fryfrog:

i've just throw 2 of them into a test box and I get static and modprobe goes fine

[20:21:09]

fryfrog:

(i get static cause it doesn't have anything hooked up to it)

[20:21:33]

D-side:

(which is a good thing)

[20:21:35]

fryfrog:

I'm trying to get ivtv-0.8.0 and 2.6.18 to work and it doesn't seem to like switching to composite in

[20:21:38]

D-side:

i'll give you a hand. :)

[20:21:47]

D-side:

is 2.6.18 actually released?

[20:21:51]

fryfrog:

yes

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fryfrog:

its in ~ in gentoo i believe

[20:22:14]

fryfrog:

if i put the PVR500 in my box, i'll prolly drop to 2.6.17 if i can't get .18 working

[20:22:25]

fryfrog:

alieas: I should ask... does it have 2x SVIDEO inputs?

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fryfrog:

alieas: or a daugter card or somethign?

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fryfrog:

Cause my plan is to hook up a cable box via svideo

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fryfrog:

er, two of them eventually actually :)

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alieas:

fry: umm... I don't think so

[20:24:51]

fryfrog:

herm :/

[20:24:58]

fryfrog:

lemme poke around on line

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alieas:

fry: oh wait

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alieas:

fry: yeah it has a daughter board

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alieas:

with 2x all the inputs

[20:25:12]

fryfrog:

ah, comes with it?

[20:25:14]

alieas:

yeah

[20:25:17]

fryfrog:

or purchased...

[20:25:17]

alieas:

I have it

[20:25:18]

fryfrog:

ah, cool

[20:25:23]

fryfrog:

you just didn't need it?

[20:25:37]

fryfrog:

anyway

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alieas:

I can't use it at all with my mobo

[20:25:54]

fryfrog:

sorry, i meant you didn't think of it immediatly cause you didn't use the duagther card?

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alieas:

I'll take some pictures for you but its 1:30 here in AZ I get off work not until 5:00pm

[20:26:10]

fryfrog:

ie, if you just use the RF input you don't even have to put it in?

[20:26:16]

alieas:

yeah I never put the daughter card in just the main board

[20:26:21]

fryfrog:

alieas: don't worry about pictures :)

[20:26:27]

fryfrog:

i don't really care :)

[20:26:45]

alieas:

fry: if you use RF you don't need the daughter card, but if you want to record from cable boxes then yes you would need it

[20:26:54]

fryfrog:

gotcha, i understand now

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fryfrog:

the pvr250 has all the svideo/rca/etc plugs on the back of the card

[20:27:17]

fryfrog:

i guess the pvr500 has only RF cable input on the main card?

[20:27:23]

fryfrog:

or one set of svideo/rca/etc?

[20:27:39]

fryfrog:

and out of sheer curiosity, is the audio input RCA or headphones jack?

[20:27:46]

alieas:

fry: the pvr500 has all the same inputs as the pvr250, and then an additional daughter card with a second set of S-video and composite

[20:27:55]

fryfrog:

ahhhhhh, gotcha

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D-side:

yeah.

[20:27:57]

D-side:

what he just said

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fryfrog:

what about audio input?

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fryfrog:

is it RCA like the MCE 250? or headphones jacks like the retail 250?

[20:29:02]

alieas:

RCA I believe but... I can't be sure right now

[20:29:17]

alieas:

I think technically it is a PVR500-MCE

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fryfrog:

RCA would make me happy :)

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fryfrog:

headphones is fine too though

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alieas:

its RCA

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fryfrog:

anyway, email me your addy :)

[20:29:54]

alieas:

I'm almost positive

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fryfrog:

awsome :)

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alieas:

ok

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fryfrog:

You know, you *could* get a different motherboard, no?

[20:33:37]

alieas:

I like the ASUS, but yeah I could get something else...

[20:34:01]

fryfrog:

You'd rather just have two cards and not change motherboards?

[20:34:17]

fryfrog:

Cause I honestly onlyl want your pvr500 to *see* it and have a new toy to play with :)

[20:34:59]

alieas:

funny they don't say on their website "Don't use this with ASUS / VIA-K8 & AGP!"

[20:35:30]

alieas:

yeah I'd rather get two cards for this mobo

[20:36:08]

alieas:

I moved the heatsinks around and its liquid cooled and auto overclocked 10%...

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fryfrog:

bah

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fryfrog:

and that'd be my wife :)

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fryfrog:

ahaha, so you have more work in the mb/case than the tv card

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fryfrog:

i see why you'd pick to swap the tv card :)

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D-side:

fryfrog: man.

[20:37:05]

D-side:

i want a pic with the chief.

[20:37:18]

D-side:

i just found out a buddy of mine has a friend who works for scifi. i want Free Shit

[20:37:21]

fryfrog:

Did anyone ever decide if the PVR150 was better than the PVR250? Or the other way around? Or undetectably the same?

[20:37:29]

fryfrog:

D-side: Even funnier!

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DigerLAP:

so if I have only one pvr 150 in a box, can I watch ch 11 while recording ch 34 ? or will that not work at all

[20:37:41]

fryfrog:

the chief's bio on wikipedia... he is wearing the *same* shirt in the picture too!

[20:37:48]

fryfrog:

so he must wear it to all his Cons :)

[20:37:50]

D-side:

allegedly the 150 had a better encoder

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fryfrog:

DigerLAP: no, you cannot

[20:38:04]

fryfrog:

DigerLAP: you can only use one *live* stream at a time

[20:38:05]

D-side:

fryfrog: that guy is one of my favorite characters on the show

[20:38:20]

fryfrog:

DigerLAP: so you can record a tv show and *watch* another saved recording, *OR* you can just watch a live tv show

[20:38:29]

fryfrog:

D-side: yeah, he is quite awsome

[20:38:40]

fryfrog:

D-side: I like the asian chick, but only cause i have an asian fetish ;p

[20:39:02]

fryfrog:

I think my favorite char would be adama, then chief :)

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DigerLAP:

does a tivo work in that same fashion fryfrog

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fryfrog:

DigerLAP: depends on if the tivo has 1 or 2 tuners

[20:39:23]

fryfrog:

DigerLAP: I *think* most new tivos have 2 tuners

[20:39:43]

fryfrog:

DigerLAP: so if it (or your mythbox) has 2 tuners, you can *record* 2 shows and watch a 3rd recorded one

[20:39:44]

DigerLAP:

i see so in order to watch one show and not miss another in the same time slot , you NEED two tuners

[20:39:47]

DigerLAP:

correct?

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fryfrog:

*OR* record 1 show and watch live on the other

[20:39:55]

fryfrog:

yup

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fryfrog:

2 tuners is what i'd call the best way to setup a mythbox

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D-side:

2 tuners is the MINIMUM

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D-side:

i sometimes want a third.

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fryfrog:

sorry, bad phase

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D-side:

a lot of what i watch is on network tv, and they seem to overlap quite a bit

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DigerLAP:

what all is out there beside the pvr500

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D-side:

so if i wanted to timeshift i couldnt

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D-side:

the 500, 350, 250, and 150

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D-side:

that runs the gamut of hauppauge products

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D-side:

i think i want a usb 2.0 plextor convertx still though

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DigerLAP:

the 500 is a dual the 150 is a single I guess you mean double up

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fryfrog:

DigerLAP: 2x PVR150 is actually *cheaper* than a PVR500

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DigerLAP:

sweet

[20:41:54]

fryfrog:

at least retail

[20:42:08]

fryfrog:

DigerLAP: if you want HD, there are a couple single tuner cards

[20:42:30]

fryfrog:

My plan is 2x air2pc gen5 cards (for QAM) and 2x SD hooked to a cable box

[20:42:59]

DigerLAP:

well see, my shittown has nothing, I have to drive 90 miles to go shopping for computer items if I dont order online, and it just so happens Im heading up norht this eveing where there will be a circuit city and best buy, so I was hoping to spot some items and get what I need and install a system tomorrow

[20:43:04]

DigerLAP:

i may be russhing it a bit

[20:43:06]

fryfrog:

either PVR250s (I have 3) or one PVR500 (which alieas is trading me)

[20:43:36]

fryfrog:

DigerLAP: at new egg, the PVR150 is $53 so keep taht in mind while at brick and morter store

[20:43:46]

fryfrog:

500 is $130ish

[20:43:55]

fryfrog:

an air2pc is about $120 online

[20:44:01]

fryfrog:

and i'm not sure how much an HD3000 goes for

[20:44:50]

fryfrog:

So your best bet is PVR150,250,350,500 or Air2PC HD5000 or Some Brand HD3000 (anyone know what the brand is)?

[20:44:53]

fryfrog:

last 2 are for HD

[20:45:11]

fryfrog:

in the first set, the 350 is prolly a waste (only get one for sure, its only advantage is TV out built into the card)

[20:45:17]

DigerLAP:

i may just wait and shop newegg

[20:45:31]

fryfrog:

all that said, i got mine at compusa

[20:45:59]

fryfrog:

The PVR250 was about $100 at that time, but compusa had a $50 MIR so I got them at $120, sent in the MIR and ended up with 3x of them at $70 each :)

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DigerLAP:

my compusa is 2 hrs away and they dont cary much

[20:46:17]

DigerLAP:

needs to be shutdown

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fryfrog:

yeah, this was like 1.5 years ago :)

[20:46:33]

fryfrog:

I don't think you can find the PVR250 retail now, the 150 took its place

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stuarta:

this is a first. i'm actually watching livetv!!!!

[20:53:04]

janneg:

to watch it and not to test something?

[20:53:18]

stuarta:

started as a test :)

[20:53:36]

stuarta:

was actually interesting.... about the Galapagos islands...

[20:53:49]

alieas:

HD-3000 is pcHDTV. I have a pcHDTV HD-5500, which is the same as the DiVCO Gen5 (LG Tuner)

[20:54:34]

janneg:

I've seen in the last couple of days more live-tv than this whole year until last week.

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stuarta:

more testing?

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janneg:

we have a test/event transmission of a music channel which doesn't suck

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janneg:

so I use it as radio

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stuarta:

nice :)

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janneg:

i.e. good music and no annoying commercials

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stuarta:

very handy...

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stuarta:

i really should listen to triple j more often..

[20:57:20]

stuarta:

aus national radio. can be streamed....

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stuarta:

no ads either...

[20:58:36]

DigerLAP:

GOtta Run peoples. later

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janneg:

the tv channel can also be streamed, but the streaming sucks. IE and mediaplayer only

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stuarta:

arse. triplej isn't much better...

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stuarta:

think they only recently got mp3 feed.

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** hjohnson needs to get the FM radio tuner on his PVR-500 up and running. **

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hjohnson:

so I can generate a podcast of Prarie Home Companion

[21:00:31]

janneg:

but DVB-T is perfect. only one channel on the transport. 6M/s video stream

[21:00:51]

hjohnson:

DVB-T is mostly a european thing, no?

[21:00:58]

stuarta:

bit higher than normal that bitrate...

[21:01:16]

stuarta:

hjohnson: no, but europe are the early adopters.

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hjohnson:

I thought in NA they went primarily to ATSC

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stuarta:

US is mainly ATSC

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Tommck_:

I have a strange situation... I reinstalled my frontend / backend (2 machines) and things seemed great... then I realized that non of my PVR-500 recordings were working...

[21:02:22]

janneg:

but other early adaptor countries like USA, Canada and Japan have different standards

[21:02:24]

Tommck_:

(all zero length).

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dev:

US is ntsc not atsc

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Tommck_:

BUT, live TV works ?

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hjohnson:

I think in Canada they're going to basically ditch OTA TV

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hjohnson:

dev: for analog.

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hjohnson:

dev: for digital it's ATSC

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dev:

oh yeah? nice. i didnt know that

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Tommck_:

anyone know how live TV could work when normal recordings don't?

[21:03:02]

dev:

thanks, learn something new everyday

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hjohnson:

but up here, cable and satellite penetration is on the order of 95%

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stuarta:

though a lot of satellite stuff is dvb

[21:03:45]

stuarta:

a lot = most

[21:03:59]

hjohnson:

stuarta: yes, but DVB-S

[21:04:16]

kavorka^:

hi, has anyone been experienced problems with 0.20? in particular high cpu usage with xvmc? it barely went over 40% on 0.19 but now its at least 95%

[21:04:18]

stuarta:

in fact i'm not even sure if anyone does ATSC over satellite, though the concept is supported.

[21:04:30]

stuarta:

hjohnson: of course :)

[21:04:48]

hjohnson:

stuarta: on satellite you see either DVB or grr.. what is it..

[21:04:53]

hjohnson:

some other protocool

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** Tommck_ will have to ask his question another time... g2g **

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stuarta:

ATSC does support delivery via satellite in the speck

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hjohnson:

stuarta: yeah, but DVB is well established, and DVB-S2 is taking off.

[21:05:37]

stuarta:

some ppl are just impatient. it's friday FFS

[21:06:10]

stuarta:

hjohnson: yeah, probably won't see ATSC-S

[21:06:36]

** hjohnson is in the DVB-S biz. :) **

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** stuarta goes for more beer **

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hjohnson:

ok.. I was doing osmething productive..

[21:07:22]

hjohnson:

oh right! my expenses.

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kavorka^:

no one can help me?

[21:10:46]

** stuarta comes back with Jack Daniels :) **

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stuarta:

kavorka^: there have been reports of that

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Juski:

wooo did somebody say Jack Daniels? ;-)

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kavorka^:

the thing is it isnt the traditional 'prebuffering pause' related to hd tv...it seems to be audio looking at my logs

[21:12:06]

stuarta:

Juski: that'd be me :)

[21:12:24]

Juski:

stuarta: you must've had a bit to drink.. your text is all blurred

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stuarta:

Juski: i was 2 beers up on you when you decided to go watch myth & drink beer...

[21:12:55]

Juski:

oh wait.. its my monitor thats blurred

[21:12:56]

kavorka^:

for example im getting these messages: AO: Broadcasting free space avail, AO: audio waiting for buffer to fill: have 2048 want 4096

[21:13:00]

kavorka^:

is that normal?

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stuarta:

kavorka^: hmmmm. do you have any special options set...?

[21:13:58]

Juski:

I think I see prebufferring messages quite a bit as a matter of course.. video looks smooth though

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Juski:

oh I remember reading about this... apparently some packagers don't build with mmx support, someone commented

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kavorka^:

nomego_, havent changed anything from 0.19....i followed the recommended options for xvmc

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stuarta:

oh yeah. that's a bit stoopid.

[21:14:56]

kavorka^:

so i should enable or disable the mmx use flag?

[21:15:09]

stuarta:

enable definitely

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kavorka^:

let me check

[21:15:40]

** Juski just realised why his mate's myth box's EIT isn't working... bet he didn't make a new video source so he can get EIT for the dvb radio channels **

[21:15:41]

opello:

doesn't look like the ebuild or the eclass do anything with the mmx use flag

[21:15:43]

kavorka^:

yep its enabled

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opello:

oh i was looking at the mythweb ebuild still, heh

[21:16:21]

kavorka^:

have tried turning off opengl sync, no difference

[21:18:12]

kavorka^:

ok then, i have taken a backup(mysqldump) of my 0.19 myth database....i do i restore this db so i can role back to 0.19?

[21:18:13]

stuarta:

Juski: i thought things were blurry cause you'd been for a few beers :-P

[21:18:35]

kavorka^:

i=how*

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stuarta:

kavorka^: 1) ppl are trying to sort that out 2) drop the old database and then reimport the old one.

[21:19:53]

stuarta:

for #2. mysql -u root

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stuarta:

drop database mythconverg; create database mythconverg; quit

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stuarta:

mysql -u root < db-backup.sql

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** stuarta EINSUFFICIENTJACKDANIELS **

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Juski:

stuarta: yeh there's that.. and am very tired

[21:21:24]

stuarta:

tired. can relate to that...

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kavorka^:

stuarta, thanks

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kavorka^:

well as long as someone is aware of the problem and working on it then i guess thats good to know

[21:22:35]

stuarta:

yeah, theres a few changes gone into -head that may help. just trying to find out if they've been backported yet.

[21:22:52]

Juski:

stuarta: btw I found out I should've received login info to register for passes by now. I haven't, so I've put wheels in motion :)

[21:23:05]

kavorka^:

hmmm, maybe i should wait it out then

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stuarta:

Juski: cool.

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Juski:

<hic>

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stuarta:

-EHOLEINGLASS

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Juski:

that's the bit you drink out of man :)

[21:26:48]

stuarta:

no that's i've nothing to drink!

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Juski:

oh god no.. been offerred to be a mod on another forum! like I'm not cranky enough...

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stuarta:

hehehe. i'll settle for just this channel

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stuarta:

irc is a lot different to forums though...

[21:31:33]

Juski:

slightly

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Juski:

though both are similar in that you can't really get away with calling folks fucktards in either

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Juski:

gah stupid antivirus software. my dad sent some pictures to me as attachments & it's messed em up into a .dat file :(

[21:32:55]

stuarta:

we have bigger trouts here though... :)

[21:35:51]

Juski:

aha! it's not my stupid AV sofwtare.. it's a stupid email client the mail was sent from

[21:36:24]

** Juski laments .. when is the world & his dog going to stop using MS outlook express?! **

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stuarta:

about the same time people stop using IE

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** Juski is gonna have another bash at migrating to ubuntu & 0.20-fixes tomorrow :) **

[21:38:22]

Sebulba02:

Good luck with that.

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Juski:

no luck needed. I'll be building from source

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Juski:

... after I go get my car's brakes fixed...

[21:39:10]

fryfrog:

Hey, did someone msg me? I quit from irssi 15min or so ago and didn't realize i got a PM

[21:39:16]

fryfrog:

if you did, resend it if it is important

[21:39:41]

fryfrog:

also, woot. got my 2nd air2pc card :)

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fryfrog:

alieas: packing up the 2x pvr250s now :)

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fryfrog:

also, my new air2pc came with a remote!?

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fryfrog:

i think it is an IR remote with a *tiny* ir serial dongle

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fryfrog:

wtf? how are you supposed to put that anywhere usable?

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Hoxzer:

we nee dto gain control

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Juski:

nee? wth is nee?

[21:41:13]

fryfrog:

or for that matter, dto!

[21:41:14]

fryfrog:

wtf???

[21:41:15]

Juski:

are you a knight who says "nee" ?

[21:41:33]

stuarta:

your mother was a hamster!

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fryfrog:

and your father smelled of elderberries!

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ivor:

run away....

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** Juski demands a shrubbery **

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** stuarta knows a shrubber **

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stuarta:

what is the airspeed velocity of a laden swallow?

[21:43:07]

Sebulba02:

OH dear. What has the world come to?

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stuarta:

monty python appreciation?

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Sebulba02:

Naturally :p

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Juski:

it's the highest common denominator, don't you know...

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** stuarta shouts "Bring forth the Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch!" **

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** Sebulba02 sticks a "potatoe masher" under stuarta's chair and runs away. **

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** stuarta looks at it, then ignores it. **

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Freman:

4200 mythtv 39 17 160m 46m 15m R 100 4.7 0:37.38 mythtranscode

[21:50:03]

Freman:

I'm so glad I have dual core

[21:50:12]

Juski:

woo there's a photo of someone using my theme on flickr.com

[21:50:27]

Sebulba02:

?

[21:50:32]

Freman:

link

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Juski:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/loeckchenhal/76297205/

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fryfrog:

what theme is that?

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Juski:

it's the one I'm soon gonna deprecate (muhahahaha)

[21:52:41]

Juski:

project grayhem 1.x

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stuarta:

evil juski

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fryfrog:

ahh

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janneg:

with german menu

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Juski:

maybe not deprecate, but cease supporting

[21:53:39]

fryfrog:

you have a new one or?

[21:54:02]

Juski:

2.0 coming 'soon'

[21:55:31]

Juski:

I dunno why some people bother taking pictures of their HTPC setups.. they hardly ever look like habitable spaces let alone tidy enough to enjoy watching anything

[21:58:15]

stuarta:

they barely look like HTPC setups...

[21:59:46]

Freman:

ooooh thats nice

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Freman:

not the rig, but your theme

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Juski:

stuarta: you still using 2.0 by any chance?

[22:01:34]

stuarta:

erm.... my last downloaded version is 1.8, so it must be that.

[22:01:58]

Juski:

ah I thought you'd taken 2.0 for a test spin

[22:02:12]

stuarta:

didn't know it was in the wild!

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Juski:

it is & it isn't

[22:02:44]

Juski:

www.juski.co.uk/pg/tarballs

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** stuarta d/l's **

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Juski:

don't want to unleash it yet until 0.20 is more established.. 'HD' & 'CC' icons etc show when they're not sposed to

[22:06:46]

** stuarta gives it a test drive... **

[22:06:48]

kavorka^:

with 0.20 is a particular kernel recommended?

[22:07:06]

kavorka^:

just wondering if my kernel could be a factor

[22:07:26]

stuarta:

kavorka^: no particular kernel, so long as it supports your card.

[22:07:48]

kavorka^:

ok then, currently compiling 0.19 again :(

[22:08:05]

kavorka^:

ill give it another month before i try upgrading again

[22:08:31]

stuarta:

not sure about the size of the selection indicators. quite liked the old ones...

[22:11:49]

Juski:

selection indicators?

[22:12:08]

stuarta:

the big square red led like things...

[22:12:53]

Juski:

you have a choice of 3 colours now.. rename button_on_blue(etc).png to button_on.png

[22:13:21]

stuarta:

didn't they used to be smaller and round?

[22:13:34]

Juski:

they used to be much smaller

[22:14:10]

Juski:

1/4 of the current size or something like that

[22:14:39]

stuarta:

mmmm, why square?

[22:15:17]

stuarta:

better on a tv?

[22:16:01]

Juski:

oh hang on.. the watermarks you mean?

[22:16:08]

Juski:

on the right hand side?

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stuarta:

no, left, next to each item you can select...

[22:16:42]

Juski:

they've always been square, just now they're bigger & drawn by me

[22:16:49]

stuarta:

ahhh....

[22:16:54]

Juski:

as opposed to being robbed from XBMC

[22:17:36]

Juski:

I plan to make the highlight bars glassy, aqua-ish soon

[22:17:55]

Juski:

bring more colour into it, just a tad :)

[22:18:18]

alieas:

Juski: How come its not in the default myththemes package?

[22:18:28]

stuarta:

maybe I just like dark moody themes...

[22:18:58]

Juski:

alieas: because

[22:19:08]

Juski:

1. I don't want it there yet

[22:19:20]

Juski:

2. I couldn't shift my ass in time to get it ready for 0.20

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** stuarta considers renaming ProjectGrahem-1.8 -> ProjectGrahem-retro.... **

[22:21:13]

Juski:

heh

[22:21:28]

stuarta:

i may have become attached to the old one :)

[22:21:30]

Juski:

mythgallery will segfault in 0.20 with 1.8 IIRC

[22:21:42]

Juski:

or maybe I fixed it

[22:21:49]

stuarta:

good thing i don't use it.....

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stuarta:

hate to say it. prefer the old one.

[22:26:21]

Aid`:

how come i get a better picture when i dont use twinview and just single monitor OUT?

[22:26:50]

stuarta:

NFI....

[22:26:51]

Juski:

stuarta: horses for courses. I can't stand either of them anymore ;-)

[22:26:55]

Aid`:

NFI?

[22:27:06]

stuarta:

No F....... Idea...

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Juski:

NFI == no 'kin idea

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Aid`:

alright

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Aid`:

=)

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stuarta:

Juski: so what's your favourite now?

[22:28:36]

Juski:

stuarta: none of the above. if you put a gun to my head I might say Retro

[22:29:07]

** Honk^away puts a gun to Juski's head **

[22:29:09]

Juski:

but the way minimyth is right now on my box I can't just change it on a whim

[22:29:14]

stuarta:

PG-1.8 + Retro OSD is my current choice....

[22:29:47]

Juski:

none of the current themes really float my boat to be honest

[22:30:07]

stuarta:

i like dark moody themes. Hence PG-1.8

[22:30:36]

Juski:

I like anything that isn't blue coloured, but I really like the watermarks in Retro

[22:30:43]

BULLE:

argh! now i just hate the world, why cant we all use the same darn video connectors ?

[22:31:08]

Juski:

BULLE: just because, aight?

[22:31:09]

Juski:

:-P

[22:31:11]

stuarta:

how else would they get you to spend money?

[22:31:33]

Juski:

'HDMI will solve all that'

[22:31:39]

stuarta:

$$$

[22:32:14]

Juski:

anyway.. up early in the morning (after what I now call a 'lie in')... so I'm offski

[22:32:17]

Juski:

g'night all

[22:32:22]

stuarta:

night

[22:32:28]

BULLE:

stuarta: well, this is one of those problems that dont have a simple solution

[22:32:46]

BULLE:

stuarta: my hauppauge tv card has svhs input, my set-top box doesnt provide svhs out

[22:32:55]

BULLE:

it only provides me with rgb

[22:32:59]

BULLE:

over scart

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stuarta:

bugger

[22:33:41]

BULLE:

the cable provider tells me, why use svhs ? its inferior in picture quality, and yes it is, but hey, its not like you can find tv cards that have scart rgb input

[22:33:55]

stuarta:

ENO-JD

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BULLE:

so it seems i will have to try to buy a dvb-c card

[22:35:15]

Eskas:

BULLE: Swedish?

[22:36:03]

BULLE:

Eskas: yes

[22:36:16]

BULLE:

Eskas: and stuck with tele2vision as cable provider

[22:36:29]

Eskas:

Ok, me too. Just an advice. don't buy a twinhan card.

[22:36:37]

Eskas:

it's nothing but trouble.

[22:37:03]

BULLE:

Eskas: damn, the twinhans look nice, just takes one pci-slot, has support for CAM, and are cheap, and well

[22:37:15]

BULLE:

Eskas: have you gotten it to work in linux at all ?

[22:37:28]

Eskas:

yes, but it took me a week

[22:37:35]

Eskas:

but now it's easy :)

[22:37:57]

BULLE:

Eskas: and you have a CAM etc, and all is working nice ?

[22:38:03]

BULLE:

Eskas: did you get the 2031 card then ?

[22:38:16]

Eskas:

BULLE: now cam, planning on using softcam.

[22:38:17]

BULLE:

Eskas: or the new 2033 Mantis that everybody seem to be selling now

[22:39:01]

BULLE:

Eskas: softcam ? as in you use some piece of software to do the work the CAM normaly does, so, how do you connect your credit card thingy to the computer ?

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** stuarta reminds everyone that this channel is *logged* **

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Eskas:

maybe 2033 is better. I have 2031 and can give you help in getting started with that card if you buy one. But if I've hear that terratec and technotrend is easier to get started with.

[22:39:54]

BULLE:

Eskas: i have tried to get hold of technotrend cards, but its not easy, i cant find anyone selling them

[22:40:02]

BULLE:

Eskas: and they take two pci-slots

[22:40:10]

Eskas:

i'm not planning on using any card, i'm sharing with som friends.

[22:40:34]

Eskas:

I'll be back in a couple of minutes, have to swith user.

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BULLE:

oh damn, i am planning on using a card, the card i am already paying for, and is sitting in my STB

[22:41:25]

BULLE:

why does it seem to be easier to pirate then to do it the legal way ?

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stuarta:

BULLE: if you can get a cam of the right type it should work

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stuarta:

also dvbshop.net

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BULLE:

stuarta: yeah, the cableco refuses to tell me what CAM i need, and refuse to let me buy a second card, to put in my computer

[22:42:27]

BULLE:

stuarta: the ONLY allowed box, is the STB you get from them

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Eskas:

I'm back

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BULLE:

stuarta: i will take a look at dvbshop.net , thanks for that url

[22:43:04]

stuarta:

Eskas, FYI we don't discuss or condone the use of softcams here...

[22:43:27]

Eskas:

stuarta: ok, I will shut up about that then.

[22:43:31]

BULLE:

stuarta: i have had some of my german friends, trying to get in contact with tecnotrend, but they have a hard time trying to figure out if i can order from them

[22:43:33]

stuarta:

thanks

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stuarta:

ppl here in the UK have good things to say about dvbshop.net

[22:44:09]

Eskas:

BULLE: technotrend can be bought @ www.schtaan.se.

[22:44:32]

Eskas:

terratec @ www.komplett.se

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jblack:

made a playgroup called "asdf". I don't see an option to rename or delete it. Does that mean that I'm stuck with it forever?

[22:45:28]

BULLE:

Eskas: ahh, thanks!

[22:45:46]

stuarta:

jblack: tried pressing 'd'????

[22:46:43]

BULLE:

stuarta: you have expeirence with dvb cards ? im a bit curious if i will be able to receiv hdtv with them aswell ?

[22:46:45]

jblack:

That doesn't work here.

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stuarta:

jblack: may never have been implemented :-)

[22:47:11]

jblack:

Grin. :)

[22:47:13]

stuarta:

BULLE: yep have 2 of them

[22:47:28]

stuarta:

dvb- S, T or C???

[22:47:39]

jblack:

By the way, this is one of the most helpful, polite and patient irc channels I've been to.

[22:48:12]

stuarta:

on certain days of the week :) helps that today is beer & Jack Daniels day.....

[22:48:35]

jblack:

I haven't hit a bad day in two weeks straight.

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stuarta:

:)

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scopeuk:

jblack can i borrow some of your timming skills

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scopeuk:

timeing*

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stuarta:

scopeuk: we must be in the wrong time zone....

[22:49:53]

jblack:

Timing? I don't understand what you need, but sure.

[22:50:09]

scopeuk:

eg your abbillity to time it when this channel is friendly and patient

[22:50:11]

stuarta:

jblack: he means you've managed to be in here on a good day...

[22:50:20]

jblack:

Yeah, I catch it now.

[22:50:45]

** stuarta watches 'The Bride Of Frankenstein'..... **

[22:50:59]

stuarta:

in B&W :)

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jblack:

scopeuk: Sure. Here's the trick. 1) Always keep in mind that people that choose to help are doing favors for strangers.

[22:51:13]

jblack:

2) Always remember your pleases and thank-yous.

[22:51:37]

stuarta:

aaahhh netiquette. such a lost art...

[22:51:46]

jblack:

3) Be patient, be precise, be clear, and be prepared.

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jblack:

Yeah. You ever notice how it always seems that things used to be better, back in the good ole days?

[22:53:58]

scopeuk:

the good ole days never existed

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stuarta:

i hated it when some bastard invented the web...

[22:54:08]

scopeuk:

people just forget bad things more easilly than good things

[22:54:14]

scopeuk:

its a state of mind

[22:54:23]

stuarta:

wasn't gopher & ftp good enuf for em?

[22:54:39]

scopeuk:

peh modern trash

[22:54:41]

scopeuk:

bbs ftw

[22:54:52]

jblack:

There's still gopher carcass around, believe it or not.

[22:55:12]

stuarta:

i believe it.

[22:55:55]

scopeuk:

you can still get onto bbs in some places

[22:56:15]

jblack:

Oh, definitely. There's even a dessicated fidonet.

[22:56:19]

stuarta:

uzbekestan?

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scopeuk:

in the us belvie it or not

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** stuarta installs gopher for old times sake... **

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scopeuk:

there are somepeopel who jsut wont let go

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jblack:

Almost everywhere. Less progressive places still rely on it for some communication, more progressive places moved over to doing it over tcp/ip

[22:57:04]

scopeuk:

lol you can geet bbs over ham iirc

[22:57:28]

stuarta:

packet radio... them's the days...

[22:57:37]

jblack:

Of course the only good of fidonet these days is to commiserate over fidonet has died....

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Tommck_:

anyone in here know why recordings on a PVR-500 would not work when live TV does?

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stuarta:

Tommck_: define "not work"

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Tommck:

stuarta – zero length recordings

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stuarta:

ew...

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Tommck:

yeah... except live TV over the PVR500 works

[22:58:59]

Tommck:

totally strange

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stuarta:

weird

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stuarta:

since livetv is a recording

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Tommck:

yeah..

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Tommck:

I know...

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Tommck:

totally messed up

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Tommck:

whoa

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Tommck:

here's another symptom...

[23:00:35]

Tommck:

I schedule a recording of a show that's on NOW..

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Tommck:

from the Program Guide..

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Tommck:

it immediately goes to "recorded" status

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stuarta:

what version you running?

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Tommck:

0.19

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Tommck:

I think it's failing changing the channel, so it's aborting...

[23:01:31]

stuarta:

ah, oo, erm...

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Tommck:

gonna rerun setup to make sure everything's kosher

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stuarta:

why not 0.20-fixes?

[23:02:29]

Tommck:

using ubuntu packages because I'm a lazy f-er

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stuarta:

should have been updated by now...

[23:04:11]

Tommck:

dunno..

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Tommck:

but I'd rather start off with something functioning before I upgrade

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stuarta:

it's an area that's improved recently....

[23:05:06]

Tommck:

k

[23:05:18]

Tommck:

still... I'm going to work on this for a bit.

[23:05:25]

Tommck:

I don't like upgrading to new releases early

[23:05:32]

Tommck:

they usually break lotsa stuff on me

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dev:

heh

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dev:

but its not working now

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dev:

so like, whats the risk? :P

[23:06:08]

Tommck:

most of it is... 2 HD3000 cards are working

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dev:

0.19 was nothing but problems for me. stability and functionality wise. release was terrible on livetv boundries on ext3, id checkout -fixes almost every week and new bugs would be introduced, was just terrible

[23:07:23]

dev:

eventually dumped it alltogeterh and went to trunk (pre 0.20) and most of the problems vanished

[23:07:24]

Tommck:

I've been running 0.19 for over a year

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Tommck:

i just reinstalled

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stuarta:

dev: sadly 0.19 was a point release on the way to 0.20

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dev:

why reinstall an old version

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Tommck:

ok...

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Tommck:

thanks for the "Upgrade" option.

[23:08:06]

Tommck:

I"m not taking it

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stuarta:

it was far from perfect.

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dev:

lol, dont care

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dev:

stuarta: 0.20 is great :D

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stuarta:

we got to a point where would couldn't go forward without serious surgery. so 0.19 came out

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dev:

stuarta: i had stability issues with it, but it was repeatable, deleting recordings back to back very quickly would cause the masterbackend to crash. i was running mythbackend under daemontools as a bandaid.. it was a pre 0.20-release svn so i didnt complain.. just upgraded to 0.20-fixes the other night, and that problem is done. i had a boundry problem (again!) but bradley kites patch for ticket 1153 fixed it

[23:10:21]

stuarta:

good to hear....

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dev:

been perfect since, very happy with 0.20

[23:10:43]

dev:

and the mythweb changes are excellent

[23:10:56]

dev:

(but i knew that from the svn build of pre-0.20 i was useing)

[23:11:14]

dev:

honestly dont know why anyone would choose to run 0.19 now

[23:11:18]

dev:

but, whatever! :)

[23:11:55]

Tommck:

oh... maybe that someone doesn't want to run patches to make things work?

[23:12:19]

Tommck:

not everyone wants to constantly fix things... major WAF issues

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dev:

oh, my bad, didnt know everything was working perfect for you over there

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Tommck:

fuck off

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dev:

haha

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dev:

off to pickup pizza :)

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stuarta:

mmm pizza...

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scopeuk:

any one know good sites for getting hold of tuners in the uk

[23:17:00]

stuarta:

random store #22

[23:17:19]

scopeuk:

ok ill jsut pop that in google then

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stuarta:

:)

[23:17:28]

scopeuk:

:rolleyes:

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stuarta:

ie. there's no particular site that stands out....

[23:17:55]

scopeuk:

ok

[23:18:08]

scopeuk:

how about price is there any particurlary cheap site

[23:18:19]

scopeuk:

ive tried the ebay route but im sh1t at it

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stuarta:

bah, last one I picked up was in the bargain bin at Maplins....

[23:19:06]

scopeuk:

bargin mplins isent there a law against that kinda slander

[23:19:17]

stuarta:

bin :)

[23:19:19]

scopeuk:

it needs to be digital thats the only hard and fast criteria

[23:19:22]

scopeuk:

dvb

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scopeuk:

malins bargin bin

[23:19:32]

scopeuk:

eg the dumpster out back ;-)

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stuarta:

40 quid is your ballpark.

[23:20:06]

scopeuk:

yeh im looking somwhere in the £20 -40 region for this

[23:20:14]

scopeuk:

http://www.pcnextday.co.uk/products/ProductDe . . . de=1513-2010

[23:20:19]

scopeuk:

i belvie some googleing is in order

[23:20:29]

scopeuk:

or maby i should just go geek and read the tech specs

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stuarta:

that looks okay....

[23:21:48]

scopeuk:

or should i spend the extra 5 quid and get a twinham one

[23:22:11]

scopeuk:

with remote etc bundled in

[23:22:20]

scopeuk:

im kinda lazy and getting up to change channels doesent sound good

[23:22:33]

scopeuk:

http://www.pcnextday.co.uk/products/ProductDe . . . de=1513-2015

[23:23:37]

scopeuk:

idealy id have the 3rd from bottom off here http://www.overclockers.co.uk/acatalog/TV_Cards.html but its kinda alot outof budget

[23:23:56]

scopeuk:

could probably get one for about 30 on ebay but that involves havign some form of tallent on ebay

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J-e-f-f-A:

scopeuk: flebay's easy... ;-) I've bought & sold lots on there the past 8 years... ;-)

[23:26:15]

scopeuk:

yeh but winning an auction without havign the price pushed up beyond what you want is awkward

[23:27:01]

J-e-f-f-A:

scopeuk: So don't bid on it until the last minute... I know it's a bit 'sneaky' but that's what I do half the time... (And watch out for shipping/handling charges...)

[23:27:42]

scopeuk:

ive ntoed s&h at 4:45 on the stuff i want

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scopeuk:

and i knwoto bid at the last minute

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J-e-f-f-A:

xris: I got the welcome screen sorted out — the 'streamtv' plugin had a ";" where there should have been a "," in the php code of it's welcome.php ... ;-)

[23:28:18]

xris:

cool

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stuarta:

night all

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J-e-f-f-A:

xris: I've got a pretty good handle on how most of the mythweb php pages work... Using "Kate" to look at the php code helps alot... ;-) (I was using "Kwrite" before... yuck!)

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xris:

heh

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Aid1:

katie is nice

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xris:

I'm always up to finding a nice new editor, but so far nothing compares to jedit.

[23:30:11]

monkeypet:

xris: why? vi is fine.

[23:30:24]

J-e-f-f-A:

xris: does jedit do the syntax coloring?

[23:30:35]

xris:

monkeypet: vi is crap compared to vim

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xris:

J-e-f-f-A: yeah

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scopeuk:

dependant ones nano all the way :-)

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Aid1:

lol

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J-e-f-f-A:

monkeypet: vi is great — if you like cryptic control... ;-)

[23:30:57]

monkeypet:

xris: yeah, vi, vim...

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scopeuk:

vi is a language in its own right

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xris:

monkeypet: huge difference.

[23:31:16]

scopeuk:

learnign how to use via is akin to larning how to break crpytography

[23:31:19]

xris:

monkeypet: anyway, it doesn't do certain things like "mouse interaction" that I find handy.

[23:31:32]

monkeypet:

xris: I hate the rodent.

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xris:

I use it when I'm in a terminal, it's good enough, but can be a PITA

[23:31:36]

Aid1:

yeah

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xris:

monkeypet: I have a love hate relationship.

[23:31:50]

xris:

jedit's "tall cursor" is a killer feature.

[23:31:53]

Aid1:

Avada Kedavra to vi

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xris:

anyway, no editor wars allowed here.

[23:32:22]

J-e-f-f-A:

scope: for 'shell' editors, I use nano.. for x, I use nedit... And for 'php' I'm using kate now, and gonna check out 'jedit' too... ;-)

[23:32:23]

** Aid1 notices vi dodge the killing curse **

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monkeypet:

I need to get mytv on fc6 this weekend.

[23:33:11]

Aid1:

mynetwork tv

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scopeuk:

for php i use nano or notepad

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J-e-f-f-A:

monkeypet: fc6? Wow... didn't realize it was out yet...

[23:33:23]

scopeuk:

but then again my level of ph is pityful

[23:33:38]

monkeypet:

J-e-f-f-A: No out yet...

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Anduin:

J-e-f-f-A: That is T4

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J-e-f-f-A:

Just renewed my zap2it subscription — no survey this time... Strange...

[23:34:42]

xris:

J-e-f-f-A: jedit is a huge beast, designed for java editing.. but has some cool features. sort of like BBEdit on the mac, which I would probably use if I still had one.

[23:34:43]

J-e-f-f-A:

Maybe they didn't like my answers last quarter?!?

[23:34:43]

Anduin:

J-e-f-f-A: same for everyone this round

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monkeypet:

I don't know how I would live without atrpms...

[23:36:02]

J-e-f-f-A:

monkeypet: Me neither, at least for now... ;-)

[23:36:26]

J-e-f-f-A:

xris: Humm.. no match in Yum ... (FC4)...

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Tommck:

so... is 0.20 as stable as people are saying?

[23:36:53]

xris:

J-e-f-f-A: nope, you need to install the official java package, and it works best if you install the .jar file directly from jedit.org

[23:37:06]

xris:

Tommck: as good as .19 ever was... recommend grabbing mythweb from the fixes branch, though.

[23:37:10]

monkeypet:

Tommck: I had no problems yet, except some minor upgrading issues.

[23:37:33]

J-e-f-f-A:

xris: Thanks... (heading over there now... ;-) )

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Tommck:

xris – so don't bother with any packages... compile-only

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Tommck:

?

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xris:

Tommck: just mythweb

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xris:

you don't compile that, anyway

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xris:

just check it out into /var/www/ and it should work fine.

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Tommck:

xris – good point

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Anduin:

Packagers should be packaging the right version.

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Tommck:

hamster.net doesn't have 0.20 for Ubuntu dapper yet. anywhere else?

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Tommck:

ping

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scopeuk:

pong

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scopeuk:

syn

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Tommck:

ok... it just all stopped.. thought I lost connection

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Tommck:

anyone have a new deb source for ubuntu dapper that has 0.20 ?

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Anduin:

Tommck: Check if the unofficial ones have been updated (I don't Ubuntu). Edgy has 0.20 (not that it is applicable, yet)

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Tommck:

Anduin – yeah... I'm using hamster.net right now for 0.19 and it doesn't seem to have 0.20..

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Tommck:

I saw another one somewhere through a google search, but the guy said stuff like "this is temporary... and it doesn't have all the dependencies set up... etc."

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Tommck:

made me feel uncomfortable

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