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Thursday, September 28th, 2006, 00:02 UTC
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[00:05:30] Mersault: My mythtv system keeps crashing when loading the EPG (possibly also just livetv) as of late. This started happening without any software updates to the system that I'm aware of.
[00:05:56] Mersault: the system completely locks up. I've seen some chatter about it on the mailing list, but can't find a solution.
[00:06:36] Mersault: I'm running 0.20 on an Ubuntu Dapper system. The 0.20 packages are the ones that were posted to the mailing list after it was released
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[00:12:44] Cowman: hey, have an existing configuration with a satelite reciever via input s-video. I'm trying to set up a second source using the tuner on the same card. I have the zap2it service setup, I have the second source set up but I'm having problems with the channel editor.
[00:13:44] Cowman: basically the channels on the lineup for the tuner don't show up in the list. If I run the channel scanner, it adds every channel the tuner can tune to including ones where there's only static.
[00:14:11] Cowman: which obviously I don't want
[00:14:32] kormoc: you don't run the channel scanner with zap2it
[00:14:40] Cowman: k
[00:16:36] Cowman: that makes sense, but the channel list is still empty
[00:17:15] kormoc: did you run mythfilldatabase?
[00:17:15] Cowman: and I did "retrieve lineups" or whatver the button says in the source editor
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[00:17:58] Cowman: let me try it again...
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[00:18:26] Cowman: I think when I did it the first time around, I had run the channel scanner
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[00:19:45] Daruka: Hi all, I am thinking about upgrading from my old frame buffer card to something with hardware mpeg encoding. It seems Hauppauge cards are the most popular and well supported. Would it be better to get two pvr-150s or the new dual-tuner pvr-500? I also noticed the 350 in there, but a little confused if it is something I should be looking at. Any suggestions?
[00:20:23] kormoc: Dagmar, the 350 is a 250 with tv-out, but it's better to get a 150 with a nvidia card (cheaper and looks better) then a 350
[00:20:25] kormoc: erm
[00:20:30] kormoc: that was to Daruka
[00:20:52] kormoc: Daruka, the 500 is just two 150's on a single card, so it you want to record two shows at once, get a 500, else get a 150
[00:21:35] Daruka: kormoc, thanks!
[00:22:24] Cowman: I have a 150 and an nvidia card. I can vouch for it looking good. Best to install nvidia's driver package so you can run nvidia-settings and play with the overscan though
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[00:25:29] nikozu: Does anyone have the pvr150 irblaster successfully working on Gentoo?
[00:25:45] kormoc: does the ir blaster work on any distro yet?
[00:26:29] nikozu: i followed this: http://www.blushingpenguin.com/mark/blog/?p=17 but am having some problems
[00:26:39] nikozu: it looks like that guy has it working on Debian
[00:29:11] Cowman: ok, I deleted all the channels but left the new source(cable) set up. now I see a bunch of channels with no guide data in the program guide and I can't even tune to them
[00:29:36] Cowman: sorry... the channels in my other source dtv were left alone and that still works right.
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[00:32:27] Cowman: ok maybe I got it... there's a button for 'fetch channels from listing server" under input connections that I might have missed
[00:32:45] jaek: what distro has the best mythtv support?
[00:32:49] Cowman: it's making mysqld and mythfilldatabase run.... so
[00:34:34] Cowman: should this take a long time?
[00:36:44] Cowman: unless it's normal for this to take several minutes I think something is wrong.
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[00:37:55] nikozu: Cowman: it is normal
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[00:59:38] coolego1: would there be a way for me to run nuvexport from a computer that wasn't my master backend to transcode my videos? (preferably under windows...)
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[01:05:58] Aid`: coolego1: ssh in?
[01:06:46] dev: ive never had any luck running nuvexport remotely
[01:06:53] coolego1: I can ssh in
[01:07:01] coolego1: but I want to use a different CPU than the one in my mythbox
[01:07:11] dev: always had to run it on the backend
[01:07:20] coolego1: can you run it on a backend that's not the master?
[01:07:31] dev: havent tried
[01:07:53] Cowman: ok it FINALLY finished but now it's just showing my directv channels in the "cable" channels. I don't understand why
[01:07:55] dev: i have a master and 2 slaves, but only used the master.. dual xeon 2.8ghz where the slaves are xp3200's
[01:08:07] Cowman: GRRR nm
[01:08:33] coolego1: well my backend is an atlon 2400+ and my windows box is a 3.4 P4
[01:08:34] dev: i guess i could try really quick ;)
[01:08:41] coolego1: would you?
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[01:09:24] Ediehow: help!
[01:09:25] Ediehow: 2006-09–27 20:08:45.941 Connecting to backend server: 192.168.0.100:6543 (try 1 of 5)
[01:09:29] Ediehow: i don't have that local IP anymore
[01:09:31] Cowman: I swear there's a poultergeist or a gremlin or something that keeps changing my settings...
[01:09:31] Ediehow: how do i tell it to stop using that?
[01:09:39] coolego1: run mythtvsetup
[01:09:58] coolego1: and then change the master backend IP to the new IP
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[01:10:56] dev: set its not running on my of my slaves bwecause of a missing perl module
[01:11:11] dev: *sec
[01:14:25] coolego1: ok
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[01:14:56] jblack: oh no, oooh no...
[01:15:06] jblack: I have a show that recorded, but its not in the list.
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[01:17:34] nordle: Guys, Im struggling to get sound. I know the audigy works, as its working fine in KDE. But with myth, I get AudioOutput Error: Unable to set audio device (/dev/snd/pcmC0D0p) to 44100 kHz / 16 bits / 2 channels. Same error but 48,000 khz for DVD playback.... and my lip reading isnt very good ;) Any suggestions?
[01:17:36] jblack: the .nuv is in the filesystem and its in previous, but its not in media library.
[01:17:39] Cowman: man that's a lot of cpu time to update a few tables
[01:17:46] dev: cooleg1: it is apparently working on a slavebackend
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[01:18:36] jblack: nordle: sorry. I'd help you if I could.
[01:20:32] nordle: jblack: much appreciated, I think Im beyond help :)
[01:20:48] jblack: I suspect that you just need to go into myth-setup and to tell it to use arts.
[01:21:49] nordle: ok, ill take another peek at the settings.....I got a feeling its gonna be something down to it preferring the OSS ALSA compatibility modules rather than straight alsa.... you know /dev/dsp /dev/mixer etc
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[01:23:22] GreyFoxx: It's likely causedKDE's sound daemon(artsd) has snatched control of the sound
[01:23:33] GreyFoxx: thereis stuff on the mythtv.org docsandon the wiki about dealing with that
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[01:25:22] coolego1: ok, thanks dev so I'll try to setup a slave and get it running... anyone know of a way to run nuvexport on windows
[01:25:53] nordle: GreyFoxx: Great idea, man my brain is a little fried with this, 2nd day of 2:30am...... gonna kill artsd and see.
[01:27:36] GreyFoxx: nordle: Is this machine a dedicated myth box or is it a desktop too ?
[01:28:38] nordle: GreyFoxx: Dedicated myth, just using kde to set everything up, messing with loads of config files is much easer with konq etc
[01:28:59] GreyFoxx: bah,vi is your friend ;)
[01:29:26] Zider: nano is friendlier ;P
[01:30:05] GreyFoxx: heh
[01:30:17] dev: if you dont know vi, sure
[01:30:31] dev: compared to vi, nano is subpar
[01:30:38] Zider: I "know" vi, but it's a bitch to use imo
[01:30:46] GreyFoxx: I sat down with a coworker (pico/nano user). After 20 minutes he's now a vi convert hehe
[01:30:48] Zider: esp. for simple configs
[01:31:08] dev: Zider: then honestly, you dont really 'know' vi.. once you know it, you know its the fast thing out there for editing anything
[01:31:16] dev: but to each his own :)
[01:31:20] Zider: that whole insert/overwrite crap irritates me to hell
[01:31:45] Zider: and entering/exiting the "menu"
[01:31:51] Zider: or commandline or whatever
[01:31:57] GreyFoxx: yeah, I choose vi/vim for my own reasons. Only 1 of which is how it's already installed on EVERY unix box, fast, powerful etc etc
[01:32:15] Zider: I don't have vi :)
[01:32:16] GreyFoxx: one of the main reasons I first started using it was that it was already on every box I had to deal with
[01:32:41] dev: GreyFoxx: same. that and the first time i edited a zone file with pico and it lined wrapped, fucked up the zone, boned the ns server, and brought down about 60 domains
[01:32:42] dev: heh
[01:32:44] GreyFoxx: I've never seen a *nix box without it except where the admin explicitly turned it off cause they were afraid they might accidentaly start it
[01:32:59] dev: got a ttalking to for that, and forced to use vi for a week. after which i never went back :) i was 16 then hehe
[01:33:05] Zider: I just never installed it
[01:33:07] GreyFoxx: a friend of mine use to rename vi to vi-old and symlinked "vi" to pico :)
[01:33:28] GreyFoxx: Zider: It's normally a base part of any install and you don't have to explicitly install it
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[01:33:44] dev: probably a gentoo user
[01:33:47] Zider: GreyFoxx: well, it's not in gentoos base
[01:33:52] Zider: :D
[01:33:54] Zider: yes
[01:34:01] dev: i think ths the only distro that doesnt have vi by default, but when you look at the userbase, its obvious why
[01:34:07] dev: no offense..
[01:34:20] GreyFoxx: wow, thatlowers myopinion of gentoo a little, but then like we said to each their own
[01:34:23] Zider: it's not very obvious to me, but.. :P
[01:34:29] jblack: seriously.
[01:34:41] Zider: GreyFoxx: freedom of choice lowers your opinion?
[01:35:03] jblack: Guys, when a show is being recorded, but its not showing on your list, and then its there on the filesystem but you can't find it in the ui, what do you do?
[01:35:15] GreyFoxx: Zider: Having vi installedhardly affects your freedom of choice
[01:35:40] GreyFoxx: and not usint the standard editor that is used as a default on all machines does lower my opinion of it
[01:35:51] GreyFoxx: It's one of the standards that an admin can count on
[01:35:57] Zider: you can use it if you want, but you have the option not to
[01:36:05] Zider: pretty obvious for me
[01:36:20] dev: Zider: you dont have the option to use it if you have no connectivity
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[01:36:30] dev: because its not installed by default.
[01:36:41] Zider: ok, you can INSTALL it if you want
[01:37:05] Zider: I don't get to use nano everywhere but I don't bitch about it :P
[01:37:08] dev: the thing is... on every othe distro, and i do believe *every* unix os, it is there by default
[01:37:48] dev: which is why just about every unix admin uses vi
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[01:38:32] Zider: I simply install nano whereever I'm admin
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[01:39:04] Zider: I just can't stand vi.. it makes me wanna scream most of the time :P
[01:39:24] Zider: no matter how standard it is
[01:39:40] dev: vi is different than any other editor, which is probably why it makes you scream
[01:39:58] coolego1: <3 vi
[01:39:59] dev: your instinct, because of notepad, and nano, and pico, and edit, whatever, is to move around to the position you want to edit by arrow jeys
[01:39:59] Zider: it's illogical
[01:40:07] Honk^away: vi is impossibkle to use if you dont know how to use it
[01:40:08] Zider: ofcourse
[01:40:16] dev: its just not that way in vi, your goal is to jump directly to where you want to edit, type in what you want, and get out
[01:40:19] Honk^away: that's a pretty bad experience ;)
[01:40:24] Zider: I know how to use it, it's just too bloody cumbersome and annoying
[01:40:24] dev: far far fewer key strokes
[01:40:26] coolego1: the advantage of vi is your fingers never need to leave the home row
[01:41:07] dev: my favorite example, if you renumber your network and had to change your zonefiles and had say, 30 A records with a single ip that needed to be changed to another ip
[01:41:10] dev: how long would that take you in nano
[01:41:29] dev: couple of minutes right
[01:41:35] dev: in vi that would take about 2 seconds
[01:42:28] Zider: search&replace
[01:42:34] fryfrog: ctrl |
[01:42:34] dev: can nano do that?
[01:42:37] fryfrog: duh
[01:42:37] Zider: yes
[01:42:45] dev: thats a nice addition, pico couldnt
[01:42:51] fryfrog: you could do *that* from cmd line w/ sed ;p
[01:42:54] fryfrog: or notepad
[01:42:57] dev: in the great scheme of things, nano is a relatively new editor
[01:42:59] Zider: ctrl-w-r
[01:43:07] dev: fryfrog: if you new sed, then you'd know vi
[01:43:10] fryfrog: ctrl-| gets it too :)
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[01:43:15] fryfrog: true, sed is hard :)
[01:43:27] Zider: fryfrog: ah, nice one
[01:43:35] Sebulba02: ack, editor war
[01:43:45] dev: im surprised there are no emacs peeps here
[01:43:49] fryfrog: nano/pico is for people who can't remember vi :)
[01:43:49] dev: its usually emacs vs vi :)
[01:44:14] jams: emacs must be banned from here
[01:44:49] dev: i always loved how emacs had built in tetris and a news reader
[01:44:57] dev: heh
[01:45:08] dev: dunno if it still does...
[01:45:56] nordle: mmm, each time I get the error trying to play anything, the audio error, I noticed it starts with "Opening OSS audio device" but Im using ALSA. Is this just an old msg, or does myth need OSS compatability modules?
[01:46:01] dev: i wonder if nano linewraps like pico did.. straight off the edge of the screen
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[01:46:18] dev: yup, it does, that was another annoying as hell 'feature' :)
[01:46:29] Zider: dev: per default yes.. alias nano="nano -w"
[01:46:33] Zider: ;)
[01:46:37] dev: thats what im talking about
[01:46:44] ** J-e-f-f-A uses nedit most of the time... ;-) **
[01:46:48] dev: it doesnt wrap it and keep it one line like vi so you can see the entire line
[01:46:53] GreyFoxx: nordle: What do you have myth configured to use for the audio output device and mixer ?
[01:46:53] dev: it just trails it right off your term
[01:47:22] Zider: yes, the linewrap is a major flaw, but nothing compared to how troublesome it is to use vi.. imo..
[01:47:27] nandy__: hmm any ideas why i would have a small black bar on the left of the screen but not the right (my x displacement is already at -50)
[01:47:28] Zider: and that can't be configured :)
[01:47:47] nandy__: the OSD' fill the screen properly though
[01:47:50] nordle: GreyFoxx: mixer = /dev/snd/controlC0 audio device= /dev/snd/pcmC0D0p
[01:48:03] GreyFoxx: nordle: That's not what you want
[01:48:08] GreyFoxx: If you are using alsa
[01:48:24] GreyFoxx: set the audio device to ALSA:default and mixer to default
[01:48:57] nordle: GreyFoxx: ooops! will do, I was just about to recompile kernel :)
[01:50:56] nordle: GreyFoxx: GENIUS!! :) Thanks very much!
[01:51:06] GreyFoxx: np :)
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[01:54:43] nero: is mytharchive now mythburn?
[01:54:59] J-e-f-f-A: nero: No, the other way around...
[01:54:59] nero: er... nm..
[01:55:05] dev: hehehe
[01:55:11] nero: it appears mytharchive is now in the mythplugins branch?
[01:55:14] J-e-f-f-A: nero: but with more features...
[01:55:43] ** J-e-f-f-A will upgrade to .20 some day, but .19 is working perfect and he doesn't want to goof it up!!! **
[01:55:46] nero: ok, so I dont need to keep updating my mytharchive svn branch?
[01:56:34] dev: J-e-f-f-A: i havent had decent stability since 0.18 :(
[01:56:48] J-e-f-f-A: nero: I dunno, but probably not. (I'm still an 'rpm' guy atm...)
[01:56:59] dev: just upgradeing to 0.20-fixes tonight, hopeing i will see 60+ day uptimes again
[01:57:19] dev: s/upgradeing/upgraded
[01:57:30] dev: ;p
[01:57:37] J-e-f-f-A: dev: Really? My system's been up for the last 31 days straigt, no problems whatsoever... and that's only because I re-booted to install some new stuff...
[01:57:48] J-e-f-f-A: s/straigt/straight/  ;-)
[01:58:13] dev: 0.19 fixes i take it then
[01:58:18] GreyFoxx: one fella was in here the other day saying his backend dies at least once a day and had been for a year. Turned out he had a bad ram stick. Swapped it out and everything is fine now
[01:58:22] Sebulba02: 21:59:31 up 106 days, 10:08, 2 users, load average: 0.27, 0.14, 0.10 :p
[01:58:43] dev: oh i dont mean system uptime
[01:58:48] dev: i mean mythbackend
[01:58:53] J-e-f-f-A: dev: Not that I know of... built from rpm's listed on Jarod's guide...
[01:58:55] dev: GreyFoxx: yeah i actually ran memtest86 a while ago
[01:59:01] Sebulba02: dev: oh
[01:59:03] dev: and its the same hardware ive been running myth on since 0.17
[01:59:42] dev: i was running an older svn of 0.20 up until tonight, and it was stable except for deleteing recordings back to back in mythfrontend. then backend would just go 'poof'. no amount of logging would show anything
[01:59:53] J-e-f-f-A: dev: I'm running mythbackend version: 0.19.20060121–2
[02:00:54] dev: i will see if i can make it go poof again right now actually
[02:01:07] dev: ahve a bunch of worlds most amazing videos i dont care about watching
[02:01:15] dev: deleting 5 of the right after each other should do it
[02:01:51] dev: io crazyness haha
[02:01:54] J-e-f-f-A: dev: What filesystem are you running on your video drive? Perhaps that's a factor. I run 'jfs'.
[02:02:04] dev: xfs on hardware raid5
[02:02:11] dev: just deleted 9 recordings back to back
[02:02:14] dev: and its still up
[02:02:17] dev: so that is *excellent*
[02:02:28] J-e-f-f-A: dev: that sound's better!!!  ;-)
[02:03:15] dev: yeah definitely. im hoping memory management for the frontends is cleaned up a bit too
[02:03:41] dev: once the frontends are up for around 30+ days they start chugging into swap and slowing down
[02:04:15] dev: maybe i wont have to run mythbackend out of daemontools anymore hehe
[02:04:38] J-e-f-f-A: dev: Now that's something that I only power up when I need to watch stuff... No need for 200+watts on 24x7... My server is probably already using 400w 24x7!!!
[02:04:53] dev: my slavebackends are connected to the tvs
[02:04:57] dev: they hold the tuners
[02:05:03] dev: 2 in each
[02:05:23] dev: the dual xeon 2.8ghz masterbackend with raid5 and big fans is in the computer room
[02:05:31] dev: slavebackends are also frontends
[02:05:37] J-e-f-f-A: dev: All of my tuners are in my backend... 3x Hauppauge PVR's fed by Dish network receivers, and a HD3000 for OTA HD.
[02:05:49] dev: i need to start messing with hd
[02:05:56] dev: i use 4 pvr250's
[02:06:05] J-e-f-f-A: dev: 24 is INCREDIBLE in HD!  ;-)
[02:06:06] dev: just regular analog cable
[02:06:15] dev: i dont have an hdtv, which is part of the problem hehe
[02:06:56] J-e-f-f-A: dev: I don't have a HDTV either, but use a 20" computer monitor in my bedroom, and a 37" computer monitor in the living room. (Yes, 37" — work upgraded to 50" lcd's, and I got two for FREE!)
[02:07:10] dev: i havent made the leap because of what sdtv looks like on an hdtv... and in my area there's only like 10 channels that are hdtv, the rest are sd..
[02:07:24] dev: lucky bastard hehe
[02:08:17] J-e-f-f-A: dev: SDTV looks decent on the 37" with an Nvidia card. Nvidia does a great job of scaling without making it look like total crap. But you can definitely see the difference with HD... It's pixel-perfect!
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[02:09:09] J-e-f-f-A: dev: I also just picked up a 27" tv/monitor from work — that will be going in the bedroom to replace the 'little' 27" monitor... ;-)
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[02:09:57] J-e-f-f-A: dev: The only problem is that it only scans to 800x600, so I'd lose some HD resolution, but the extra 7" of picture will probably make up for that... ;-)
[02:11:49] J-e-f-f-A: Dagmar: I've almost got the PXE booting working... something's up with my NFS root mount, but I hope to have it worked out in the next half hour or so...
[02:11:52] dev: how much space does your hd recordings use per hr?
[02:12:09] J-e-f-f-A: dev: It varies depending on the mode, but 1080i seems to take about 6GB/hr
[02:12:23] dev: not bad
[02:12:26] J-e-f-f-A: dev: (ie: resolution)
[02:13:39] J-e-f-f-A: dev: Actually, some of the 24 HD episodes I'm looking at now are as small as 4.1GB... But the biggest one is 6.7GB.
[02:14:07] dev: thats not bad. maybe i wont have to upgrade space to do hd
[02:14:20] dev: didnt know if 860gig was enough
[02:14:26] dev: plenty for sd thats for sure
[02:14:43] J-e-f-f-A: dev: I run 760GB, so you should be good. Although I don't record alot of hd atm... Just 24 so far... ;-)
[02:15:45] J-e-f-f-A: Anyone using a HD UPnP device with .20?
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[02:25:35] pushpop: what is the process mythcommflag
[02:25:38] pushpop: do?
[02:25:55] jcsmith: pushpop: flag commercials
[02:26:03] J-e-f-f-A: pushpop: MYTH COMMercial FLAG...
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[02:30:41] dev: ah man thats no good
[02:30:49] dev: on the halfhour when the show was supposed to change, mythfrontend locked up :(
[02:31:20] J-e-f-f-A: dev: Humm... somebody else here was having the same problem — I think it was Paladine ...
[02:31:30] dev: hrm, rephrase that. mythfrontend itself didnt lock, the recording did, just esc'd then went back in..
[02:31:48] Paladine: dev, easy workaround
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[02:32:01] Paladine: when you start livetv hit p and let it pause for about 10 seconds
[02:32:02] ShockValue: anyone good with cable-tv type cabling? the guy didnt finish hooking up my house, and im not sure if there's a difference between a yellow collored coupling vs. a blue one.. and if cable-modem should be hooked up differently than the TVs
[02:32:08] Paladine: then hit p again
[02:32:11] ShockValue: (sorry, kinda OT, but the TV part is for myth:)
[02:32:23] dev: Paladine: damn, so im gonna have to tell the woman to do that? ugh
[02:32:30] dev: the older svn of 0.20 i was running didnt have this problem..
[02:32:34] J-e-f-f-A: ShockValue: There shouldn't be any difference.
[02:32:34] Paladine: dev, either that or enable scheduling
[02:33:02] ShockValue: J-e-f-f-A: thats kinda what i was thinking, but wasnt sure why there were different colors for the same part :)
[02:33:02] Paladine: without scheduling enabled it automagically starts a new recording file every 30 minutes
[02:34:05] J-e-f-f-A: ShockValue: It's probably the same 'grade' of cable. And since even the cable boxes are two-way now (for ppv stuff), there shouldn't be any difference.
[02:38:59] dev: Paladine: scheduling enabled where?
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[02:39:39] dev: i used to have this exact problem whent useing ext3, havent seen this since moving to xfs until tonight ;/
[02:40:11] dev: will see what happens at 11, a&e was messed up for some reason anyway, artifacts and sound glitches yet every other channel on th same tuner was *shrug* heh
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[02:40:15] dev: maybe it was that
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[02:41:47] tjcarter: hey all, I'm sure the fix is there but google doesn't reference it yet.. Ubuntu edgy 0.20 backend init.d script seems not to work..
[02:42:02] tjcarter: any idea what's causing it? The script claims it's working fine.
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[02:46:20] Paladine: dev program scheduling
[02:46:45] Paladine: dev I have triedon ext3 andsame problems
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[02:47:35] Paladine: in fact I can pretty much guarantee I have tried everything you will think of, I worked on the problem for several days with no success
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[02:47:44] Paladine: it is ticket 5313 iirc
[02:47:59] tjcarter: hmm, may be my fuckup.. =/ Investigating...
[02:48:09] dev: so i should revert heh
[02:48:11] Paladine: you could try the patch but that didn't work for me either, although it has worked for some people
[02:48:31] dev: the woman is an annoying critic about the myth setup
[02:48:54] jemarcks_: anybody interface a sa3250HD using firewire ???
[02:49:17] dev: i'll checkout the ticket
[02:50:21] Paladine: I think it is 5313 I haven't looked for a week or so, I just been using my workaround
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[02:50:56] dev: yeah dont see 5313
[02:51:06] tjcarter: jemarcks_: that'd be cool, but I've not been eager to use any kind of box given that they put their own OSDs into the video stream and you are stuck with trying to set up some sort of IR blaster or some such.
[02:51:10] Paladine: there is a patch attached to the ticket which has reportedly worke for some people, so it is worth a try, you might get lucky
[02:51:28] dev: need to find the ticket hehe
[02:51:33] dev: remember the title?
[02:51:44] Paladine: checking my email archives now
[02:51:47] jemarcks_: tjcarter, all i want firewire to it for is to change channels
[02:52:12] Paladine: 1153
[02:52:47] jemarcks_: tjcarter, there is a sa3250 channel changer program in the contrib dir for mythtv and i wanted to use it to get all 1000+ channels from timewarner.
[02:52:53] Paladine: I knew it had 5's 1's and 3's in it somewhere ;)
[02:53:00] dev: that sounds like a different problem
[02:53:07] dev: will get more information in 8minutes
[02:53:08] dev: hehe
[02:53:48] Paladine: your livetv freezes every 30 minutes and you have to escape back into mythfrontend and then go back into livetv for it to work again?
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[02:54:21] dev: video froze at the show end/changeover point to next show
[02:54:26] dev: but i did get that same error
[02:54:33] dev: and i exited, went right back in, no problem
[02:54:43] Paladine: yes it is the same problem then
[02:55:19] dev: you sure the ticket you're talking about is 1153 then?
[02:55:44] Paladine: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/1153#comment:32
[02:55:56] Paladine: it is the only ticket I have been involved with hehe
[02:56:13] Paladine: the good news is, I know Bradley is trying to fix it
[02:56:51] Paladine: you should try the patch though
[02:56:54] Paladine: it might work for you
[02:57:26] tjcarter: jemarcks_: oh cool =D
[02:57:28] dev: ahh, interesting
[02:57:42] tjcarter: jemarcks_: you should be able to capture video directly off of it though
[02:58:37] pab: Greetings! I hope someone can direct me. Nuvexport errors out with ffmpeg not recognizing the option -hq. I ran nuvexport --debug and removed the -hq and sure enough it worked. Is this an ffmpeg problem or nuvexport?
[02:58:39] Paladine: it doesn't really bother me now I have a workaround, the pause workaround works fine
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[02:59:41] Paladine: the problem is apparantly caused by the way livetv buffers
[02:59:50] Paladine: it tries to use the device as soon as it can
[03:00:01] Paladine: so it is not so much an fs issue as a video issue
[03:00:06] Paladine: it does continue to record
[03:00:07] dev: nice, didnt locok up that time
[03:00:13] dev: heh, nevermind
[03:00:16] dev: god dammit
[03:00:27] Paladine: yeah I have managed to go about 3 hours without it freezing, but mostly it is every 30 minutes
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[03:00:54] dev: then it just scrolls
[03:00:54] dev: 2006-09–27 23:00:59.983 NVP: Prebuffer wait timed out 10 times.
[03:00:59] dev: sigh. great
[03:01:02] dev: i'll try that patch
[03:01:18] dev: if it doesnt work i'll have to revert, or i'll constantly here "the tv is broken!" from the woman heh
[03:01:43] Paladine: I expect the long term fix will either be an option in the config to allow users to set a prebuffer time, or something in the code at compile time which sets a specified prebuffer
[03:01:53] Paladine: but at the moment it tries to use the device as soon as it can
[03:01:55] Paladine: apparantly
[03:03:11] GreyFoxx: I can kinda accept that for livetv startup, but that doesn;t make sense if it also happens at program boundaries
[03:03:30] Paladine: Ifind that by pausing for 6–8 seconds (pseudo forcing a prebuffer time) Ihave no furtherproblems
[03:03:44] dev: GreyFoxx: yeah, happening at program boundries, and this is new since upgrading tonight to 0.20-fixes (11309)
[03:03:58] dev: i was running svn from aug 21st that did not have this problem
[03:04:02] Paladine: it is in .20 as well (which is what I am running)
[03:04:16] dev: but that doesnt help because i watc hte commits list and have seen so many changes in that time
[03:04:44] Paladine: Grey, it only needs the prebuffer extending at startup of livetv
[03:05:02] GreyFoxx: Paladine: Did you not say that it happens every 30 minutes ?
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[03:05:15] dev: Paladine: for you just it happen every 30 minutes or at program boundries?
[03:05:19] Paladine: only if I don't pause for 5–8 seconds when I first start livetv
[03:05:22] dev: er, does
[03:05:33] nikozu: i've got two tuner cards, pvr150 and pvr350 but i cannot switch between inputs when watching livetv.... i'm only able to watch the input for the pvr150. any ideas? i can watch the pvr350 in mplayer just fine (it's /dev/video1 on my box)
[03:05:45] Paladine: dev it amounts to the same thing, I don't have scheduling enabled so it sets the program boundries to 30 minutes
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[03:05:55] GreyFoxx: Thatstill doesn't make a lot of sense, and unfortunately I can't reproduce it here
[03:06:16] J-e-f-f-A: nikozu: Do you have both cards setup in mythtv?
[03:06:23] dev: GreyFoxx: since this just started happening tonight after i upgraded from from an earlier svn of 0.20, i dont think its 'my setup' hehe
[03:06:56] dev: ah, 10883 was the rev of 0.20 i was useing prior to 11309 tonight
[03:07:03] nikozu: J-e-f-f-A: yes, and the are both associated with a video source
[03:07:04] Paladine: Greyfoxx, when I pause after starting livetv for 8seconds, myth still sets program boundries at 30 minutes (thus starting a new file every 30 minutes) but because of the buffer being longer, I don't have any problems at all
[03:07:25] J-e-f-f-A: nikozu: Was it working previously?
[03:07:26] Paladine: it opens each new file without freezing
[03:07:35] GreyFoxx: Paladine: So you don;t have any program guide data in your system ?
[03:07:41] Paladine: none whatsoever
[03:07:50] GreyFoxx: Paladine: No, that's not right in the livetv scenario
[03:07:53] Paladine: because I still haven't rebooted since building my blaster :)
[03:07:56] tjcarter: ah, mysql 5 incompatibility, wonder if THAT has anything to do with it? =p
[03:07:57] dev: i have plenty of program guide data :P so thats not the problem for him
[03:08:06] J-e-f-f-A: GreyFoxx: He's reluctant to re-boot his system to start using his IR blaster!!!
[03:08:15] nikozu: J-e-f-f-A: it was when i just had one card... now that i've added the pvr150 i can't get it working
[03:08:18] GreyFoxx: Why not reboot ?:)
[03:08:19] Paladine: Ihave been busy J-e-f-f-A
[03:08:23] dev: from ticket 1153, i looked at paladines frontend logs, my logs look almost identical
[03:08:23] ** tjcarter upgraded Ubuntu to edgy tonight, should expect some headaches, etc **
[03:08:45] J-e-f-f-A: GreyFoxx: Hey doesn't like to re-boot... I think it makes him think it's a winblows box... ;-)
[03:08:46] Paladine: I slept once for 6 hours during friday-wednesday
[03:08:56] Paladine: 6 hours sleep in 5 days is not good
[03:09:03] Paladine: but it gives you an ideaof how busy I have been
[03:09:10] GreyFoxx: I just fired up livetv when you started talking about it (first time in a long time since I last ran it) and it didn;t skip at startup or when the program boundary at midnight occured
[03:09:25] dev: oh well, i will to try this patch tomorrow
[03:09:28] Paladine: GreyFoxx, it doesn't happen to everyone
[03:09:33] dev: recordings are going on for the next couple hours
[03:09:42] GreyFoxx: Paladine: Hence why I said it's too bad I can't reproduceit
[03:09:49] Paladine: in fact it only happens toa few people from what I have seen
[03:09:54] J-e-f-f-A: Paladine: Ya know, I did that one entire week when I was oncall from work.. got called all thru the week at all hours of the night... Funny thing is that I was able to concentrate better, even though I was sleepy...
[03:09:56] dev: i love how i always get the problems noone can reproduce except one other guy
[03:10:32] GreyFoxx: dev: hehe
[03:10:34] Paladine: J-e-f-f-A, I have a severe sleep disorder anyway, so I generally live a 3–4 day week, but it was a heavy 5 days when you have a 9 month old son
[03:10:35] J-e-f-f-A: nikozu: Humm... Does mythtv show it as 'free', or 'not recording' on the status screen?
[03:11:14] J-e-f-f-A: Paladine: Yep, been there. But that was 15 years ago for me now... (He'll be 16 in two months!!!)
[03:11:15] nikozu: J-e-f-f-A: yeah, it shows both tuners as "free" on the status screen, that's why i find it weird i can't switch to that other input
[03:11:21] Paladine: I was hallucinating by time ifinally got to bed at 4:30am thismorning
[03:11:47] GreyFoxx: Paladine: I spent 2 years sleeping 3 hours a day MAXIMUM, usually closer to 2. Some weeks I would go without sleep so long I'd apparently start hallucinating :)
[03:11:54] Paladine: I had a hard drive failureon my production server in san diego
[03:12:10] J-e-f-f-A: nikozu: Humm... if mplayer works fine, then perhaps you need to delete your tuners and re-define them, then see if all is good then...
[03:12:12] Paladine: so Ihad to stay up until I was fixed and rebuilt
[03:12:26] Paladine: GreyFoxx, I never sleep more than 15 hours a week unless I am reallyill and on meds
[03:12:45] Paladine: in 1993 I went 9 days without sleep and ended up being rushedinto hospital and sedated for 2 weeks
[03:12:49] J-e-f-f-A: Paladine: You should be a truck driver then... ;-)
[03:13:01] Paladine: the human body can only survive approx 12 days with REM sleep
[03:13:03] Paladine: then you die
[03:13:15] Paladine: without REM sleep
[03:13:18] MindHack: Paladine: do you switch between insomnia and hypersomnia?
[03:13:29] GreyFoxx: Most I've done is 6 days with no sleep,then I slept for 3 except to get up to drink,eat something small and go back to bed heh
[03:13:32] nikozu: J-e-f-f-A: you mean delete all tuners in mythtv-setup?
[03:13:41] Paladine: Mindhack, they came up with a special term just for me when I was a teen :)
[03:13:45] nikozu: J-e-f-f-A: err, capture cards i meant
[03:13:48] Paladine: Hyperconsciousness
[03:13:49] J-e-f-f-A: nikozu: That's what I'm thinking. You've only got two, right?
[03:13:52] dev: here's a dumb question
[03:14:07] GreyFoxx: Paladine: I found a "miracle" cure for my inability to sleep heh
[03:14:09] dev: how do i apply this patch to my source tree... in ./mythtv/ right.. patch < file.diff right?
[03:14:13] Paladine: Ifindit almost impossible to shut my mind down tothe level where I can fall asleep
[03:14:35] nikozu: J-e-f-f-A: correct
[03:14:44] Paladine: and when Ido sleep I only sleep for a couple of hours
[03:14:53] MindHack: Paladine: sometimes I wish I was like that :P
[03:15:12] Paladine: MindHack, it isn't as good as it sounds
[03:15:18] J-e-f-f-A: nikozu: One sec — you did set a 'source' for your 2nd card, right?
[03:15:30] Paladine: if age was determined by the amount of time someone has been conscious, I would be about 50
[03:15:36] MindHack: I know, but when you are in college you feel limited with only 16 hour days
[03:15:44] Paladine: I have been awake longer than most people twice my age
[03:16:16] Paladine: I am much better now than I was 7–10 years ago
[03:16:17] nikozu: J-e-f-f-A: yessir, and it's a different source from the pvr150.... the 150 handles my digital cable box, and the other is for analog
[03:16:26] Paladine: pretty much every week I would be awake for 4–6 days without sleep
[03:16:36] Paladine: made me very ill
[03:16:37] MindHack: Paladine: how well do you do academically?
[03:16:40] dev: hrm i cant patch this crap
[03:16:49] Paladine: Mindhack, I have a 174 IQ
[03:16:56] MindHack: nice :)
[03:17:00] dev: can't find file to patch at input line 5
[03:17:12] dev: ls libs/libmythtv/recorderbase.cpp
[03:17:12] dev: libs/libmythtv/recorderbase.cpp
[03:17:14] dev: but its there.. heh
[03:17:18] Honk^gone: Paladine: do something with your brain.. start coding a bit ;)
[03:17:25] MindHack: heh
[03:17:34] MindHack: Paladine should do my job for me
[03:17:36] Honk^gone: there are lots of features mythtv could need ;)
[03:17:36] Paladine: no Iam not allowed to code
[03:17:37] J-e-f-f-A: nikozu: And you've got guide data for your analog channels?
[03:17:51] Paladine: dr banned e from coding several years ago
[03:17:55] Paladine: I sleep much less when I code
[03:18:05] dev: am i just being stupid is that why everyones ignoreing me heh
[03:18:08] MindHack: brain processes the problems when you sleep?
[03:18:11] Paladine: I get into a zone and stay up for 4+ days at a time
[03:18:22] MindHack: dev: were not,I personally dont know anything about patch
[03:18:26] nikozu: J-e-f-f-A: yes... i just deleted the capture card and video sources and am re-creating both, along with re-running mythfilldatabase
[03:18:28] J-e-f-f-A: dev: not me... I dunno how to help ya... sorry...
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[03:18:46] MindHack: Paladine: any idea how one can "induce" such a condition? :)
[03:18:52] MindHack: other than speed
[03:18:55] J-e-f-f-A: nikozu: Hopefully that will do the trick... ya shut down the backend, right?  ;-)
[03:19:02] dev: Paladine: you applied this patch right.. did you just do in mythtv's top level src? ive tried everywhere i can think of and it 'cant find file'
[03:19:12] Paladine: dev, put it in the mythtv directory and if someone reminds me of the syntax for patching I can tell you the exact line you need
[03:19:20] nikozu: J-e-f-f-A: yup, just like it said :P
[03:19:26] dev: patch -p1 < patch.diff no?
[03:19:41] Paladine: without the -p1 iirc
[03:19:44] MindHack: anyone willing on collaborating on a slim mythfrontend built on gtk and vlc/
[03:19:53] GreyFoxx: dev: Whereis the patch ?
[03:20:07] Honk^gone: vlc? nevah! :P
[03:20:09] Paladine: patch -i < path/to/patch
[03:20:14] Paladine: iirc
[03:20:15] dev: i put it in toplevel dir of mythtv source, i tried in libs dir, then tried in libs/libmyth itself
[03:20:17] dev: same error on all of them
[03:20:22] dev: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/attachment/ticket/ . . . tionFix.diff
[03:20:53] GreyFoxx: dev ok
[03:20:53] Paladine: try just patch -i
[03:20:55] J-e-f-f-A: nikozu: One thing to note is since they're different sources, to change between them you either need to press "Y", or switch to a channel that's only on the 'other' source. (assumes at least .19)
[03:21:07] GreyFoxx: from the top of the sourcetree patch -p0 < file.diff
[03:21:17] dev: p0 arge
[03:21:22] Paladine: it didn't work with any -p flags for me
[03:21:34] dev: how did you know it was p0?
[03:21:35] Paladine: I am 99.999999% certain I had to use patch -i < path/to/patch
[03:21:49] GreyFoxx: dev: Cause I lookedat the patch and saw thepath it wasusing to reach the file :)
[03:22:02] Paladine: Anduin gave me the correct patch syntax
[03:22:31] nikozu: J-e-f-f-A: gotcha.... I'll give that a try... hopefully resetting these few things fixes it.
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[03:22:36] dev: ooohhh i see
[03:22:39] Honk^gone: it's always p0, p1 or p2 anyway, isnt it? :P
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[03:22:41] nandy__: i have a problem with the program guide – when i try to bring it up nothing happens and if i try to get back to the main menu after attempting to bring it up mythtv hangs until i restart the frontend any ideas?
[03:22:42] dev: got a little patch lesson tonight..
[03:22:44] dev: thanks greyfoxx
[03:22:52] MindHack: Honk^gone: or mplayer :) Id like to write it with multiple plugins
[03:22:53] GreyFoxx: dev: With that patch IF you are in mythtv/ ( top of the source) it's -p0, if you are in mythtv/libs it would be -p1 etc
[03:23:01] dev: i did not understand the -p switch correctly
[03:23:04] J-e-f-f-A: dev: Now that you know how to use the patch, you can finally quit smoking! ;-)
[03:23:05] Paladine: I am telling you -none- of the -p flags worked for me with the patch in the top of the source tree :p
[03:23:07] Honk^gone: MindHack: heh =)
[03:23:22] Paladine: we spent about 10 minutes in this channel trying to get the correct syntax for it :)
[03:23:39] Paladine: it will even be logged on the log site :)
[03:23:44] RyeBrye: Hmm
[03:23:54] J-e-f-f-A: xris: ya around?
[03:24:06] xris: ?
[03:24:18] Anduin: -p can only strip directories it cannot add them
[03:24:31] Paladine: heya Anduin :)
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[03:24:37] RyeBrye: Getting my NVidia GeForce 6200 TVout working is proving to be harder than I thought... I got it on both my monitor and the TV using the VESA drivers – but I can't get them with the nv driver
[03:25:10] J-e-f-f-A: xris: How ya doing? got a question for Mythweb on .19 — how are the heights set for the 'scrollover' window on the main page – with 'StreamTV' and 'MythBurn' installed, mythburn is only 1 line high, not what it should be... how do I fix it?
[03:25:17] Anduin: RyeBrye: nVidia binary driver, try it
[03:25:36] xris: huh? that's not part of mythweb. no clue how that stuff works, I've never used it.
[03:26:11] RyeBrye: Anduin – I think I'm using that one... I'm on Fedora Core and I'm using the fedora mythology doc...I installed some things from an rpm
[03:26:47] Paladine: RyeBrye, if you are using the official nVidia driver your xorg.conf would have to have nvidia in the device options as the driver
[03:26:48] RyeBrye: I tried loading a driver straight from Nvidia – but when I run the installer it bitches that it can't find a module for my kernel version, and then it bitches that it can't compile one because it can't find the kernel source
[03:26:50] J-e-f-f-A: xris: Humm... I figured you might be able to point me in the right direction... I know they're not part of mythweb itself, but integrate into it...
[03:27:09] RyeBrye: Hmm
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[03:27:49] J-e-f-f-A: xris: TV is ok, video is ok, but "Visit MythTV.com" is overlapping the bootom line a bit, as is Music and Weather. Settings is fine, Status overlaps too, as does Logs...
[03:27:50] xris: J-e-f-f-A: yeah, but I have no idea how they're plugged in, though. could be anything.
[03:27:52] Anduin: RyeBrye: For fedora you have livna and atrpms that will package it
[03:28:11] xris: Anduin: livna finally package mythtv?
[03:28:20] RyeBrye: Anduin – thanks – I'll try to get it form atrpms
[03:28:33] J-e-f-f-A: xris: How are the 'heights' of the 'rollover' window determined in mythweb?
[03:28:34] Anduin: xris: don't know, just know he has nVidia
[03:28:49] Anduin: (I don't actually use either)
[03:29:01] nandy__: EQ2: Update (78207M 78210T,L) unchecked fixed-size buffers are totally teh win!
[03:29:09] nandy__: meh. sorry.
[03:29:13] Paladine: I need to find a non beta (as in stablenotbeta) web2.0 webmail suite so I will be back later
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[03:29:52] ** RyeBrye will brb – trying to get nvidia drivers working **
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[03:30:09] Paladine: nevertrust a kde user ;p
[03:30:55] xris: Anduin: they approached me to make a package for them, but it never actually went anywhere.
[03:31:20] J-e-f-f-A: xris: Curious... they're divs... wonder why they're not working right... o-o/
[03:32:05] xris: yeah, like I said. something weird
[03:32:09] MindHack: my mythbox is brand new. Its recording a lot of 1 hour programs and leaving me with 40 minute, 38 minute recordings What would cause it to die so often?
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[03:32:32] gentoo-user7184: Is it possible to go back to mythtv .19 after upgrading to mythtv .20?
[03:32:48] xris: gentoo-user7184: not easily, unless you backed up your database
[03:32:57] Paladine: MindHack, is it dying or is it cutting out commercials?
[03:33:18] gentoo-user7184: yea thats what i was afraid of i had a backup but i have recorded a bunch of stuff since then
[03:33:20] J-e-f-f-A: xris: I don't see anything obvious at all so far... strange. Looks like all the other divs... Does the 'Visit MythTV.org' overlap on your display too?
[03:33:25] MindHack: Paladine: commericals are definitely still there, do I just look in the logfile to see if it is dying?
[03:33:47] Paladine: Mindhack Iwould guess so but I don't know which log
[03:33:51] gentoo-user7184: xris... still having the backend end up suing 100% of cpu
[03:34:16] Paladine: gentoo, move the recordings into another folder and install mythvideo, then you can still play them in mythtv :)
[03:34:29] gentoo-user7184: added patch 2438 i think it is.. and it seem to have work... then about 18 hrs of the pc being on it started again
[03:35:25] J-e-f-f-A: xris: Humm.. in IE the size of the rollover window is proportional to the contents. In Firefox, it's the full size of all themenu items, just the content changes.
[03:35:36] gentoo-user7184: yea i would love to keep using mythtv .20 but the cpu usage is killing me... i have a amd 3200+ and to my knowledge nothing the backend seems to be doing no jobs and i'm not watching tv
[03:35:42] gentoo-user7184: and yet 100% of my cpu is being used
[03:36:08] Paladine: my cpu usage from mythfrontend and mythbackend is around 8% total when watching livetv
[03:36:16] xris: J-e-f-f-A: there are lots of bugs in the IE display. I don't really have IE to test with, and would hope/expect that mythtv users would be too smart to actually use it.
[03:36:18] Paladine: with 0.20
[03:36:32] xris: gentoo-user7184: then something is wrong with your setup
[03:37:42] J-e-f-f-A: xris: Gee, thanks. I appreciate that.
[03:37:51] dev: hah
[03:38:08] xris: J-e-f-f-A: well, it *is* the easiest way to get spyware and viruses..
[03:38:27] xris: (if you couldn't tell, I don't have a very high opinion of IE)
[03:38:43] gentoo-user7184: well its doesn't happen right off of starting up backend
[03:39:06] gentoo-user7184: sometimes it after 2–3 minutes others hlaf to an hr and other times longing
[03:39:11] J-e-f-f-A: xris: Selective opening of emails also works wonders. My m$ desktop hasn't had a virus in over a year now.
[03:39:34] nandy_: i have a problem with the program guide – when i try to bring it up nothing happens and if i try to get back to the main menu after attempting to bring it up mythtv hangs until i restart the frontend any ideas?
[03:39:51] xris: J-e-f-f-A: IE is not a mail client
[03:40:28] gentoo-user7184: xris if it is my configuration what could cause this???
[03:40:45] gentoo-user7184: the frontend is closed so it has to be just in te mythtv-setup
[03:40:45] Paladine: ie is abackdoor for letting a breeze into windows
[03:40:55] Paladine: why do you need a backdoor for the breeze?
[03:41:00] xris: the problem with IE is those stupid things where the virus/spyware takes over the server and then uses remote exploits in IE to install stuff without you even doing anything other than browsing to the site.
[03:41:01] Paladine: cos the windows don't work properly
[03:41:21] xris: gentoo-user7184: gentoo-user7184 might be. it's hard to say without you doing more specific logging of what the backend is doing.
[03:41:37] J-e-f-f-A: xris: I know, but many, or most, M$ viruses are spread via email. Being careful about web sites also helps... Oh well, back to cleaning up that cosmetic issue...
[03:41:39] gentoo-user7184: i have all logging enabled
[03:41:58] gentoo-user7184: and i am current doing a gdb /etc/bin/mythbackend
[03:42:17] xris: J-e-f-f-A: anyway, if you fix it, I'm happy to accept a patch. like I said, it's hard for me to fix stuff I can't actually test.
[03:42:39] gentoo-user7184: in my mythbackend.log file all i see happening is it seaching every 60 second for any job queues
[03:42:57] xris: gentoo-user7184: you need to turn on more verbose logging
[03:43:03] xris: -v all
[03:43:15] gentoo-user7184: i have done that
[03:43:31] J-e-f-f-A: xris: Yeah, I've got to read up on how to create a patch file... I'm sure it's quite simple, but I'm a Tandem Mainframe guy, and PC's are just one of my hobbies...
[03:43:52] xris: J-e-f-f-A: easy. check out from svn, make your modifications and then run: svn diff > file.patch
[03:44:12] nandy_: ok more better data: when i click on program guide it says: X Error: BadAccess (attempt to access private resource denied) 10 Maj Op: 144 Min Op 5
[03:44:14] gentoo-user7184: and in mythbackend -v all nothing seemed to be unnormal
[03:44:50] gentoo-user7184: the only commands that were being excuted were the checking of the job queues which it did before the cpu was sat 100% using only .3% of my cpu
[03:45:00] J-e-f-f-A: xris: kewl. Thanks
[03:45:01] dev: whats it doing if you strace it while its spinning out of control?
[03:46:13] gentoo-user7184: the thing that gets me is somethimes it fine for hours and then all of the sudden poof it starts and then tehre are other times 2 minutes after restarting the backend its at 100%
[03:47:11] Paladine: maybe your RAM or HD aredodgy and it is trying to write to a bad block or a bad memory address
[03:47:17] Paladine: that would explain the randomness
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[03:47:57] gentoo-user7184: how would i verfy that is or is not the problem?
[03:48:09] Paladine: memtest86 for the RAM
[03:48:12] Paladine: e2fsck for the HD
[03:48:34] dev: and try straceing it the next time
[03:48:49] gentoo-user7184: straceing?
[03:49:15] dev: http://www.die.net/doc/linux/man/man1/strace.1.html
[03:49:24] Paladine: I'd be willing to place a small wager that it is a RAM issue :)
[03:49:49] Paladine: well ifI had any money I would hehe
[03:49:56] gentoo-user7184: lol
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[03:50:19] gentoo-user7184: i dunno hope not.. ram only 2–3 months old at most
[03:50:48] Paladine: check it with memtest86
[03:50:54] gentoo-user7184: yea i am about it
[03:50:57] Paladine: I bet it has 100s if not 100s of thousands of errors :)
[03:50:59] gentoo-user7184: have to install
[03:51:17] Paladine: you canrun it from a floppy (in fact it is the best way to run it)
[03:51:32] Paladine: and you should leave it overnight really so it can do lots of passes
[03:51:42] dev: only way to get a clean test is to boot from floppy/cd
[03:51:49] dev: ubuntu cd includes memtest86 on it if you have one
[03:51:58] gentoo-user7184: what if i run it from my grub
[03:52:07] Paladine: I have seen new RAM with over 1 million errors on it
[03:52:10] Paladine: as in brand new
[03:52:22] Paladine: samsung ram at that
[03:53:15] gentoo-user7184: i have kingston
[03:53:18] Paladine: runit from a bootable disk (either cd or floppy)
[03:53:36] Paladine: kingston do two types of RAM, the most common being "Value" ram
[03:53:42] Paladine: which is another word for cheap crap
[03:53:44] gentoo-user7184: yea i have Value
[03:53:52] gentoo-user7184: yea its pretty much was
[03:54:04] gentoo-user7184: i'll have to run that test tonight
[03:54:21] gentoo-user7184: i'll just use one of my bootable linux cd's
[03:54:39] gentoo-user7184: i didn't have this problem with .19
[03:54:46] gentoo-user7184: started with .20
[03:55:38] Paladine: I am a corsair man personally
[03:56:00] Paladine: most decent brands come with a lifetime warranty now
[03:56:07] Paladine: but RMAing is a pain in the ass
[03:57:10] Paladine: I used to swear by Kingston til they started flooding themarket with their "Value" RAM
[03:57:23] gentoo-user7184: yea i hate RMAing
[03:57:25] Paladine: its absolute junk
[03:57:39] gentoo-user7184: i ahve to do with with two gigabyte boards
[03:57:48] Paladine: Iwould putit in Dan Glickman's PC let alone mine :)
[03:57:55] Paladine: woldn't
[03:57:58] Paladine: wouldn't
[03:58:30] gentoo-user7184: well i am a broke college student
[03:59:02] Paladine: I am a broke college student with a wife and kid
[03:59:08] Paladine: but I always buy decent RAM
[03:59:20] gentoo-user7184: lol thats always fun
[03:59:30] gentoo-user7184: i have no job
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[03:59:55] Paladine: me either at the moment
[04:00:12] gentoo-user7184: well besides the side computer job here or there
[04:00:53] Paladine: I went from 40k GBP per year to nothing as of March
[04:01:03] gentoo-user7184: that sucks
[04:01:06] Paladine: which sucked big sweaty balls
[04:01:26] gentoo-user7184: yea i bet
[04:02:01] Paladine: hard to get a job nowadays since most employers have figured outhow to use google
[04:02:08] Paladine: well hard for me to get a job
[04:02:17] gentoo-user7184: yea i am an an ee major
[04:02:42] Paladine: I am kinda famous for what most employers consider the wrong reasons hehehe
[04:02:54] Paladine: so a googlesearch hurts my employment prospects
[04:03:39] GreyFoxx: what did you do ?
[04:03:47] Paladine: googlemy realnameand you will see hehe
[04:04:06] gentoo-user7184: what is it?
[04:04:22] Paladine: it is in my /whois info
[04:04:28] GreyFoxx: heh doh
[04:05:11] Paladine: being at th wrong end of a $150 million USD lawsuit tends to put employers off :)
[04:05:40] gentoo-user7184: lol nice
[04:06:13] J-e-f-f-A: Paladine: And I thought I had issues...
[04:07:13] Paladine: first thing the head of the IT department at my uni said tome when he interviewed me this summer was "I saw you on TV last year didn't I?"
[04:07:51] J-e-f-f-A: Paladine: Were you thinking "This can't be good!" ???
[04:08:00] Paladine: I about crapped my pants
[04:08:08] Paladine: but heactually saw it as a positive thing :)
[04:09:29] gentoo-user7184: lol
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[04:12:26] J-e-f-f-A: So, Paladine, how did it all end? Or is it 'ongoing'...
[04:12:55] Paladine: still ongoing as far as I know, but I haven't heard anything since november last year
[04:17:49] MindHack: stream: start_time: 0.289 duration: 42.520 bitrate=5276 kb/s <-- is that the faliure Im looking for perhaps?
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[04:20:55] MindHack: looks like the problem is that the recordings are starting arbitrarily late
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[04:23:05] MindHack: well, nevermind, that's not true for all progras
[04:23:11] MindHack: recordings*
[04:24:05] RyeBrye: If I'm going to set up TVout on my Nvidia card – should I be using it on the TV only to set it up?
[04:24:25] RyeBrye: Should I be using a "dual head" setup if I want to use both the TV and the monitor at the same time -mirrored?
[04:24:43] MindHack: RyeBrye: Ive experienced cards that dont enable their port unless there is something attached to it upon boot
[04:25:00] RyeBrye: I'm getting TVout on the port
[04:25:03] RyeBrye: sometimes...
[04:25:09] ** RyeBrye will brb **
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[04:35:25] RyeBrye: I'm trying to get my NVidia TVout working... right now I'm typing on my (blurry) TV – but when I laod the frotnend, I just see some strange colors... and when It transitions between menus the OpenGL accelleration is CLEARLY not on – because it is slow as death
[04:36:04] MindHack: I think there might be an option for opengl on the svideo out port?
[04:36:22] RyeBrye: Oh, I have to enable the GL for each port?
[04:36:24] Agrajag-: RyeBrye: the fact that it's so slow indicates that it probably is on
[04:36:30] Agrajag-: RyeBrye: no you don't
[04:36:47] Agrajag-: (i mean the mythfrontend opengl setting is on)
[04:37:05] RyeBrye: Yeah.. The Mythfrontend setting is on.. but the GL acceleration of my video card isn't working
[04:37:16] ** RyeBrye just got a 128 meg GeForce 6200 card... **
[04:37:56] ** RyeBrye can't stand looking at this blurry TV image (older rear projection TV... Okay for TV, but not for computing!) – he's going to try to connect his monitor **
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[05:09:26] gentoo-user7184: Paladine no errors as of yet
[05:10:30] Paladine: with the patch?
[05:10:50] gentoo-user7184: the patch?
[05:10:57] gentoo-user7184: no i am running memtest
[05:11:13] Paladine: oh right
[05:11:20] Paladine: just wait :)
[05:11:43] gentoo-user7184: lol
[05:11:47] Paladine: Ispeak to hundreds of people every day so iforgot what you were doing hehe
[05:11:57] gentoo-user7184: oo yea
[05:12:05] gentoo-user7184: so hey so what happened with the suit?
[05:19:35] gentoo-user7184: up to test 7 i forgot how many tests there are
[05:23:49] ShockValue: my 2 HD motorola 6200's showed up today.. now the fun of trying to get them hooked into mythtv :)
[05:24:01] ShockValue: too bad my firewire card doesnt show up until tomorrow :/
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[05:58:11] xris: http://mythtv.org/
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[06:07:35] gentoo-user7184: paladine still no errors from memtest
[06:07:37] carstenc: Good morning
[06:07:49] carstenc: I have a stupid question
[06:08:03] carstenc: Where can I view my recordings
[06:08:42] carstenc: If I look at "view recordings" there are only the short parts of "Live-TV" which I recently watched
[06:08:52] carstenc: but complete recordings are not listed`
[06:09:38] carstenc: or do I have to setup something?
[06:09:44] carstenc: please help ... :/
[06:11:26] Agrajag-: chagne the group
[06:11:30] Agrajag-: press m (by default)
[06:11:39] Agrajag-: and select your normal recording group, not live tv
[06:11:48] carstenc: ah
[06:12:29] carstenc: ah great
[06:12:36] carstenc: thank you Agrajag-
[06:12:55] carstenc: another one:
[06:13:13] carstenc: I exported the channel table from mysql
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[06:13:26] carstenc: can I just import them into a different box?
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[06:26:56] fuffal0: is this the pvr-250 that's spoken about on the mythtv wiki: http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=65 . . . re=HAUPPAUGE
[06:28:02] Dibblah: http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=13 . . . re=HAUPPAUGE
[06:28:06] Dibblah: Is cheaper ;)
[06:28:23] fuffal0: but it doesn't have a remote and the wiiki says to get a 250 ;p
[06:28:35] Dibblah: The 150 is _fairly_ well supported now.
[06:28:42] Paladine: the 150 pwns
[06:28:54] Dibblah: http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=17 . . . re=HAUPPAUGE
[06:29:08] Paladine: isn't the 250 actually older technology than the 150 iirc?
[06:29:15] Dibblah: Technically, yes.
[06:30:24] Paladine: missus is gonna kickme in the nuts
[06:30:32] Paladine: how the hell did 7:30am get here so quickly?
[06:30:43] Paladine: someone is fscking with my clock
[06:31:05] fuffal0: alrigthy
[06:32:13] siXy: the 150 is just a 250 that they figured out how to make cheaper
[06:32:20] siXy: and it does have a remote :)
[06:32:35] Paladine: unless you get the whitebox version
[06:32:42] Paladine: which doesn't have a remote :)
[06:33:15] siXy: i avoid whitebox products on principle, but yet :)
[06:33:18] siXy: *yes
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[06:33:56] fuffal0: if there anything that can go wrong by spray painting a case?
[06:34:29] Paladine: so long as the caseis empty
[06:34:46] fuffal0: alrighty
[06:35:00] fuffal0: i need to turn my ugly old tower case into a black case of "not so ugly entertainment"
[06:35:33] doggkruse: anyone here use an HDHomeRun
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[06:36:39] Dibblah: [mbm] does ;)
[06:36:43] Dibblah: Why?
[06:37:01] Dibblah: And what cable system are you on?
[06:37:12] doggkruse: Dibblah, I'd like to get one
[06:37:20] doggkruse: charter cable in long beach
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[06:37:34] doggkruse: is [mbm] the same [mbm] from openwrt?
[06:37:36] Dibblah: Looks like a nice piece of kit. Like most of Silicondust's stuff.
[06:37:39] Dibblah: Yup.
[06:37:44] doggkruse: cool
[06:38:01] doggkruse: Yeah, I was wondering, because they don't even have a real pic of it on the site
[06:38:05] doggkruse: but its for sale
[06:38:15] doggkruse: and not sure it it will work with my cable
[06:38:45] Dibblah: However, [mbm] is having some issues with Myth + the hdhr which he's been looking at.
[06:39:03] doggkruse: :/
[06:39:19] Dibblah: So, which cable system are you on?
[06:39:26] doggkruse: I'm confident that the software issues can be solved...
[06:39:40] doggkruse: Dibblah, Charter in Long beach, ca
[06:39:42] Dibblah: Ah. Sorry ;)
[06:39:56] doggkruse: :/
[06:40:11] doggkruse: I think its all unencrypted qam 256
[06:40:16] doggkruse: but not really sure
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[06:48:48] fuffal0: so does the remote control i get with a pvr150 talk to this ir buster i install, or does it program it or something?
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[07:15:41] Juski: fuffal0: plenty can go wrong spray painting a case. preparation is _everything_
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[07:26:51] DGnome: allocation failed: out of vmalloc space , mythfrontend stops responding while trying to watch a certain tv-channel and the kernel starts spewing out allocation errors.. fun
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[07:31:20] fuffal0: juski, meaning what? :P
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[07:40:47] dorel__: i'm experiencing lots of crashes and lockups on debian sid after upgrading to latest mythtv packages on the repositories, being 0.20–0.1
[07:40:53] dorel__: is it just me?
[07:41:18] Hoxzer: :) mine works just great on etch
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[07:45:10] dorel__: hmmm, maybe the hardware...
[07:45:14] dorel__: how can i check?
[07:45:28] dorel__: in mythfrontend's log im just getting segmentation fault
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[08:05:14] [mbm]: Dibblah / doggkruse – the pictures of the thing got updated a few hours ago
[08:05:41] doggkruse: [mbm], figures ;)
[08:06:10] doggkruse: [mbm], what's your opinion of the device?
[08:06:15] doggkruse: is it a home run?
[08:06:19] doggkruse: or a strike?
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[08:08:19] [mbm]: it's only been on the market for a day or two now, I've had a prototype for a month or so
[08:08:53] doggkruse: [mbm] I'm really looking forward to getting one
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[08:09:04] [mbm]: which explains why the pictures on the site were just a badly rendered image
[08:09:08] doggkruse: I just upgraded from analogue to digital cable
[08:09:10] doggkruse: heh
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[08:09:15] doggkruse: I was wondering about that
[08:09:23] doggkruse: looked like a 10 minute job in solidworks
[08:09:28] [mbm]: what you see now is an actual picture
[08:09:55] doggkruse: yeah, looks about the same
[08:09:59] doggkruse: which is good
[08:10:08] doggkruse: about the size of a wrt?
[08:10:08] doggkruse: ;)
[08:10:38] [mbm]: as for what I think of the device, it's really quite good, but it's still suffering from some minor not-quite-ready glitches
[08:11:20] [mbm]: atsc support seems to be working fully but qam support is a last minute addition and seems to have a few issues
[08:11:32] doggkruse: I see
[08:11:45] doggkruse: I'm mostly interested in the qam
[08:11:53] doggkruse: I saw on their site it was listed
[08:12:01] doggkruse: but the vendor only listed astc
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[08:12:07] [mbm]: the homerun box itself works perfect but the mythtv support for homerun/qam is somewhat buggy
[08:12:49] doggkruse: I can deal with buggy software
[08:12:56] doggkruse: software is easy to upgrade
[08:13:56] [mbm]: yep.
[08:14:18] [mbm]: not sure if it's mentioned anywhere but the device is also firmware upgradable
[08:14:29] doggkruse: that is also good
[08:14:37] doggkruse: any plans for the cable card thing?
[08:15:13] [mbm]: apparently getting a cablecard into a non-television device is nearly impossible
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[08:15:30] doggkruse: really? that's too bad
[08:15:37] doggkruse: what about series 3 tivo?
[08:16:12] [mbm]: that's a major company and from what I've heard comcast is giving people shit about installing the cablecards in them
[08:17:02] [mbm]: (if you didn't know, the cable installer has to physically come out, insert the cable card into your tv and then record a number that appears on screen to activate it — card can't be moved without reactivating it)
[08:18:18] [mbm]: and all the paranoia over digital and drm means that they'll only install it in devices that lock the end user from doing anything useful with the data
[08:19:16] doggkruse: yeah, that's pretty sucky
[08:19:21] [mbm]: so, it means that the channels you'll get with something like a homerun are just a small subset of the channels actually on the cable system
[08:19:33] doggkruse: I have a digital cable box now, and they wouldn't leave a second one without a second tv
[08:19:48] xris: doggkruse: that's f'd up
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[08:19:59] doggkruse: yeah, I'm pretty sure that all channels on my cable system are unencrypted
[08:20:05] doggkruse: xris, tell me about it
[08:20:09] [mbm]: basically I get nbc, cbs, pbs, a few local channels, tons of music choice channels and the history channel (of all things?)
[08:20:13] doggkruse: try explaining you have two tuners
[08:20:16] xris: doggkruse: firewire?
[08:20:32] doggkruse: nomego_, I have a pvr 500 from a previous life
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[08:20:50] [mbm]: aoart from the history and music channels I get the same set and more over atsc
[08:20:57] xris: doggkruse: the correct answer is "I'm getting a new tv in a couple of days and want to be prepared"
[08:21:10] doggkruse: yeah, tried that one
[08:21:18] xris: really? that's really messed up
[08:21:20] doggkruse: they said it was against company policy to leave it
[08:21:28] xris: you'd think they'd like to just get the money from you
[08:21:30] doggkruse: and I called and bitched and got the same line from them
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[08:22:00] doggkruse: for all you potential charter cable customers out there: avoid them at all costs!
[08:22:07] doggkruse: they are a pain
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[08:22:13] doggkruse: </end rant>
[08:22:26] doggkruse: anyway, I really like the idea od the hd home run
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[08:22:34] doggkruse: is it 10/100
[08:22:41] [mbm]: yep
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[08:22:48] doggkruse: and that is enough?
[08:23:07] doggkruse: I don't really have an idea of how much bandwidth hd uses
[08:23:09] [mbm]: an atsc channel will use 20mbit which is then devivide into the X.Y channels
[08:23:25] [mbm]: and a qam256 will use 40mbit
[08:23:46] [mbm]: so even with two qam channels tuned and no filtering it only goes 80mbit
[08:23:57] doggkruse: not bad...
[08:24:10] [mbm]: normally it'd filter out all data not actually needed to display the current channel
[08:24:41] doggkruse: [mbm], so you can watch on a remote frontend and record 2 channels at once?
[08:25:10] [mbm]: meaning that if a station like pbs is streaming out 5 channels each channel will only take 5mbit for normal def, or 10mbit if it's high def
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[08:25:45] [mbm]: doggkruse: right, mythtv treats each tuner as a new capture card
[08:26:18] [mbm]: and the ir thing is pretty much optional, if enabled it will stream teh i signal over udp to lirc
[08:26:56] [mbm]: works nice if you put the box next to your tv, but since everything is networked you really don't need to put the box anywhere near your tv
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[08:27:58] [mbm]: tuners also stream via udp
[08:28:33] doggkruse: excellent, so low overhead
[08:28:35] [mbm]: which means that if you want to be absolutely crudge about it, netcat can be used to record
[08:28:43] doggkruse: heh
[08:29:12] doggkruse: [mbm], thanks for your input, you've been really helpful
[08:29:23] doggkruse: I think I'm going to get one and give it a whirl
[08:29:31] [mbm]: there's a commandline program called 'hdhomerun_config' which can be used to manually configure the homerun
[08:29:47] [mbm]: just takes a device id and then a get or set command
[08:29:56] doggkruse: does it have some sort of web interface otherwise?
[08:30:13] doggkruse: not that I like them...
[08:30:18] doggkruse: hust wondering how it's done
[08:30:41] [mbm]: nope, all interaction is done via control packets from mythtv or the commandline util
[08:30:52] doggkruse: cool
[08:30:55] [mbm]: you can't even set an ip address – it just does a dhcp
[08:31:04] doggkruse: heh
[08:31:14] doggkruse: and what sort of issues have you had with it and myth?
[08:31:21] doggkruse: missed recordings?
[08:31:24] doggkruse: corrupted?
[08:32:04] [mbm]: no, nothing of the sort — I'm trying to figure out why it can't get the same channel lineup as if I hook the cable directly to my tv (I have a digital ready tv)
[08:32:30] [mbm]: probably an issue with comcast packing the channels in some nonstandard way
[08:32:31] doggkruse: oh, so its a scanning / eit issue?
[08:32:47] [mbm]: right, scanning is missing about half of my channels
[08:33:01] [mbm]: so they show up as UNKNOWN and crash mythtv when I try to use them
[08:33:07] doggkruse: heh
[08:33:10] doggkruse: yucky
[08:33:49] [mbm]: if I manually tune the homerun to a channel (which is somewhat of a pain since homrun uses the frequency and not channel numbers) then I can stream the entire channel to vlc
[08:33:53] [mbm]: and it displays perfect there
[08:34:41] [mbm]: and when I say entire channel, I mean unfiltered, because trying to figure out the filtering options is somewhat of a pain as well
[08:34:59] doggkruse: :/
[08:35:26] doggkruse: so on comcat, you have some encrypted too?
[08:36:12] doggkruse: and did you have to"register" the device with the cable company? or does it just work (tm)
[08:36:47] [mbm]: banope, you only need to register cable cards
[08:37:00] doggkruse: cool
[08:37:33] [mbm]: basically to manually tune a channel – hdhomerun_config ffffffff set /tuner1/channel qam256:111000000
[08:37:43] doggkruse: :/
[08:37:57] doggkruse: lets hope I won't be doing a lot of that
[08:37:59] doggkruse: :D
[08:38:08] [mbm]: hdhomerunconfig_ffffffff set /tuner1/target 10.0.0.2:1234
[08:38:19] [mbm]: hdhomerunconfig_ffffffff set /tuner1/filter 0x0000–0x1ffff
[08:38:25] doggkruse: :/
[08:38:43] [mbm]: first sets channel, second sets where you want to dump the udp stream
[08:38:51] [mbm]: third tells it what data you care about
[08:38:57] doggkruse: does this device run linux?
[08:39:07] [mbm]: 0x0–0x1ffff is the entire channel
[08:39:43] [mbm]: once you have it tuned to the channel you can basically play with the filters until it starts dropping out
[08:39:51] doggkruse: heh
[08:40:32] [mbm]: nope, the device runs custom firmware which I'm told is a mixture of c and assembly
[08:40:46] doggkruse: :/
[08:40:47] [mbm]: so, handwritten firmware
[08:40:51] doggkruse: you know what proc?
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[08:41:01] [mbm]: ubicom ip3k
[08:41:06] doggkruse: :/
[08:41:23] doggkruse: I'm liking the arm7 as of recent
[08:41:32] doggkruse: I've gotten sick of the pic18
[08:42:04] doggkruse: so anyway, there is very little chance for customization of the device
[08:43:01] [mbm]: right, the device is intentionally locked down — the firmware itself is encrypted
[08:43:11] doggkruse: :/
[08:43:21] doggkruse: interesting
[08:44:39] [mbm]: I'm told it's so the device can be rebranded for different vendors and in case of legal action features could be removed or changed
[08:45:18] [mbm]: so, baiscaly to cover the inventor's ass
[08:45:40] doggkruse: :)
[08:45:46] [mbm]: since the device really does let you dump the raw data directly
[08:45:47] doggkruse: which is a good thing
[08:46:23] [mbm]: so I suppose if you knew what the hell you were doing you could technically dump an encrypted stream and unencrypt it
[08:46:36] doggkruse: heh
[08:46:44] doggkruse: if you knew what you were doing
[08:47:09] doggkruse: how did you come about getting a prototype if you don't mind my asking?
[08:47:09] [mbm]: which means nobody other than someone with a phd in encryption :/
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[08:48:26] [mbm]: I was a member of one of the original tivo hacking groups and silicondust was the first company to develop a 10/100 ethernet card for the tivo ("turbonet") so I've known them for years
[08:49:14] doggkruse: cool
[08:49:51] [mbm]: I'll have to complain that I didn't get a fancy case for the homerun
[08:50:04] doggkruse: heh
[08:50:21] [mbm]: when I got it initally it was just the board, not even a power cable
[08:50:26] doggkruse: you have circuit boards lying on the desk?
[08:50:41] doggkruse: wow
[08:50:55] [mbm]: later I got the prototype case
[08:51:04] doggkruse: probably hand soldered prototype too eh?
[08:51:21] [mbm]: yeah, there' a few hand fixes on the board
[08:51:34] doggkruse: we like jumpers
[08:51:39] [mbm]: and yes, I normally have tons of circuits layong on my desk
[08:51:44] doggkruse: ;)
[08:52:00] doggkruse: If you haven't noticed, I'm a wrt fan
[08:52:13] doggkruse: I also have lots of boards lying around
[08:52:24] [mbm]: yep, I have tons of openwrt-ish boards on my desk with cables running out of em
[08:53:02] doggkruse: my fav is still the wgt-634u, but I've been looking into the routerboards
[08:53:26] doggkruse: anyway, thanks again [mbm], but its really late here
[08:53:32] doggkruse: time for bed
[08:53:35] [mbm]: I still use a few wrt54g boxes .. absolute crap but dirt cheap and available anywhere
[08:53:41] doggkruse: yup
[08:53:45] doggkruse: cheap is ggod
[08:53:50] doggkruse: good
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[08:57:29] doggkruse: night all
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[09:34:46] dorel__: i played with the appearance settings and now i dont see the menus at all on mythfrontend... its functioning well cause im toggling the menus blindly and i see them working... is there a way to convert back to an old theme or something
[09:38:26] dorel__: ok got it
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[10:09:08] Hoxzer: is there any button that would still work as left or right but not rewind tv?
[10:11:16] Hoxzer: hmm?
[10:13:47] furfurfur: What are you trying to do?
[10:15:11] Hoxzer: use left and right keys to change volume instead of rewind
[10:15:32] furfurfur: on a remote control or on the keyboard?
[10:15:43] Hoxzer: remote control
[10:15:55] stuarta: jump and skip?
[10:16:03] furfurfur: You'll need to hack around with your lirc config files then
[10:16:18] furfurfur: it does lead me to wonder which buttons you'll use for ff and rw though :)
[10:17:02] Hoxzer: furfurfur: ... ys yes but seems like left and right does moving in the menu as well as volu control
[10:18:04] furfurfur: Maybe it's best to leave left and right well alone then – they are pretty fundamental to myth
[10:18:09] Hoxzer: so if there is config for button that wouldn't do both it would be nice to know it
[10:18:17] furfurfur: no other suitable keys on your remote for volume?
[10:18:55] Hoxzer: furfurfur: ... actually no.
[10:23:01] ivor: sounds like a rather lame remote to use then. :D
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[10:34:53] madfactor: Ohhhhh no.
[10:35:01] madfactor: kernel panic
[10:37:55] madfactor: ne expert mythtv people here?
[10:38:11] [mbm]: insert new user and press any key to continue?
[10:38:24] stuarta: where's the any key?
[10:40:57] stuarta: speaking of kernel panics, i've really got to get to the bottom of why the radeon drm modules have a NULL pointer issue...
[10:41:38] ** [mbm] has been learning all about smartctl and how to recover bad sectors on a disk **
[10:51:22] ** Sebulba02 replaces the key with the disgusting corporate logo on it to 'any' on stuarta's keyboard. **
[10:52:13] stuarta: i've got a key with a man running fast on it. wtf is that for?
[10:52:37] Sebulba02: Your guess is as good as mine.
[10:52:59] stuarta: shortcuts for idiots i reckon...
[10:53:34] Sebulba02: Multimedia keyboard?
[10:53:37] Merlin83b: AIM?
[10:53:49] Merlin83b: Seems like a description of the AIM logo
[10:54:02] stuarta: my useless key summary
[10:55:00] stuarta: a half moon, play/pause, stop, jmp bk, jmp fwd, mute, -, +, a house, a letter, a magnifying glass, and a man in a hurry
[10:55:25] Merlin83b: sleep, web/home, mail, fastman
[10:55:47] stuarta: yeah, mostly obvious....
[10:55:51] Merlin83b: I have, across the top, word, excel, web/home, mail, calendar, files, calculator, log off, sleep
[10:55:54] Merlin83b: All the rest I use.
[10:55:54] ** Sebulba02 is glad he has a normal keyboard :p **
[10:56:03] [mbm]: I have a key that doesn't have any labeling on it
[10:56:06] Merlin83b: I do love the scrollwheel on my keyboard though.
[10:56:25] Sebulba02: [mbm]: we all do, it's called 'space' :)
[10:56:42] [mbm]: oh. er. right.
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[11:09:18] Juski: expert mythtv people.. I think they're all out earning massive amounts of money doing tech support for mythtv users
[11:09:34] Sebulba02: you wish :p
[11:10:01] Juski: someone I work with actually thought mythtv was my own programming. jees if it was I'd charge for it
[11:11:05] stuarta: I might have to get a new job in the new year...
[11:12:04] Juski: things that slow/bad ?
[11:12:36] stuarta: merger followed by redundancy (possibly)
[11:12:57] Juski: ouch
[11:13:01] [mbm]: well, you can make massive amounts of money doing tech support for mythtv :/
[11:13:09] stuarta: motivation = zero!
[11:13:33] stuarta: hey, if I could work out a way to get paid to code myth and sit in here all day i would :)
[11:13:46] Juski: I don't think any amount of money would be compensation for putting up with some of the problems people have
[11:13:54] Sebulba02: hah
[11:14:10] Sebulba02: That's the truth with most every project.
[11:14:22] [mbm]: that's where I love running opensource projects .. users complain and demand support, you can just tell them to piss off
[11:14:37] stuarta: i'm more 3rd line support. I answer intelligent questions :)
[11:15:18] stuarta: i don't even subscribe to -users due to the low SNR
[11:15:48] [mbm]: I tend to be 1) rtfm, 2) subtle hint, 3) actually answer good questions
[11:15:58] stuarta: works for me too...
[11:16:34] Merlin83b: I'd guess system integration is the way to make money out of myth, stuarta. A few companies see to be doing it and it would then be in their own interests to have Myth as functinoal as possible.
[11:16:52] Juski: omg... http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2006/09/27/sharp_three-way_lcd/ "We can imagine a TV based on Sharp's technology ending forever family arguments as to which programme they're going to watch – now they can view three channels at once.".. what the hell happened to just saying "wait your turn you spoilt little bugger" ?
[11:16:54] ** Merlin83b catched up after playing in MythWeb :) **
[11:17:02] Merlin83b: lol
[11:17:40] stuarta: Merlin83b: how's mythweb help you catch up??
[11:17:53] Merlin83b: Erm, that was two unrelated things :)
[11:17:55] [mbm]: Juski: yeah, too bad you all have to agree on an audio track :P
[11:18:04] Merlin83b: I finished looking over stuff in mythweb, then caught up in here.
[11:18:41] Sebulba02: [mbm]: ideally, if they put 3 audio outs and 3 sets of wireless headsets on it...
[11:19:10] [mbm]: Sebulba02: or just buy 3 tvs so you don't have to even be in the same room
[11:19:25] Sebulba02: yeah
[11:19:30] Juski: a lot of kids tv is best watched with the sound off anyway.. thinking "hollyhocks" etc...
[11:19:58] stuarta: nah, that's a cool way to have a triple head display on your machine :)
[11:20:18] Juski: triple-head with an even smaller footprint!
[11:20:27] [mbm]: it drops the horizonal resolution
[11:20:43] Merlin83b: Haven't read the article, but if it could be made accurate enough to supply a seperate feed to each eye we have a 3d display.
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[11:21:47] qazqaz70: i want help
[11:22:07] qazqaz70: i want install mythtv
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[11:22:51] paranoid_: Juski: agreed, Hollyoaks is best viewed only for the occasional bit of eye candy :)
[11:22:52] qazqaz70: i use Ubuntu
[11:22:57] flithm: hey everyone... I updated mythtv to 0.20 (p11188) and now my mythweb doesn't work (could be unrelated?), it says it can't connect to backend server, but the backend is running, I can watch tv and all of that. Anyone got any ideas what might be going on?
[11:22:57] Juski: my parents used to say "I want, never gets"
[11:23:11] stuarta: flithm: update mythweb too
[11:23:13] qazqaz70: i want install mythtv please anyone help me
[11:23:31] flithm: stuarta: hahah if it's that simple I'm gonna... feel stupid :)
[11:23:34] qazqaz70: i want use dvb with it
[11:23:52] stuarta: start feeling stupid :)
[11:23:56] flithm: hahah thanks
[11:24:12] Sebulba02: heh
[11:24:27] stuarta: where's that umbongo guide?
[11:24:57] Juski: www.mythtv.org/wiki/ ?
[11:24:59] flithm: stuarta: well I am running the latest mythweb that's in gentoo's portage... it has a slightly different version though (0.20_p11188)
[11:25:15] qazqaz70: i use Ubuntu i have skystar 2 (dvb) i want use mythtv i want install and use it with it
[11:25:24] qazqaz70: can anyone help me please
[11:25:27] qazqaz70: ??
[11:25:39] paranoid_: qazqaz70: http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-1.html got there and follow the instructions, that should help you install mythtv, if you get stuck say exactly where you are stuck and what you have tried and what errors you are getting, I think if you do that, people will be more prepared to answer your questions...
[11:26:06] [mbm]: can't ask for help beore you've even tried
[11:26:20] stuarta: qazqaz70: and also http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Category:HOWTO
[11:26:42] paranoid_: incidently, I cannot help you any further than that, I haven't installed mythtv either :)
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[11:26:52] stuarta: flithm: do you get one of those error that mythweb & backend have a different version?
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[11:26:56] stuarta: doh!
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[11:37:21] Cuddles_in_KY: morning all.
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[11:38:32] Cuddles_in_KY: quick hardware question... say i needed multiple composite sources. any suggestions on what card to get?
[11:40:50] qazqaz70: can anybody give me right commond for myth like this sudo apt-get install ??
[11:41:11] qazqaz70: because i'm new user with linux
[11:41:34] qazqaz70: and my language is not ok
[11:41:44] qazqaz70: please anyone help
[11:43:02] qazqaz70: please..
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[11:45:28] qazqaz70: anyhelp
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[11:53:01] qazqaz70: is there available use this sudo apt-get install ?
[11:53:13] qazqaz70: for install myth
[11:55:12] qazqaz70: ????
[11:55:19] qazqaz70: why nobody help me ?
[11:55:42] stuarta: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Category:HOWTO
[11:56:30] stuarta: there are several for ubuntu
[12:00:05] seth|laptop: qazqaz70 – http://www.abarbaccia.com/ – this site is very good as well, however, it says temporarily unavailable
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[12:15:15] hashbang: stuarta: if I was setting up a MythTV business, I'd target the super-rich and build them custom whole-home entertainment systems
[12:15:39] stuarta: now there's a cunning plan...
[12:15:51] hashbang: stuarta: rather than targeting cheapskate consumers who don't want to spend the money on a Sony PVR or whatever.
[12:16:11] hashbang: stuarta: possibly include a ripping service for all their existing media, and so on.
[12:17:16] hashbang: stuarta: of course, you'd have to be dedicated to doing a totally bang-up job, but the margins should be nice.
[12:17:32] hashbang: stuarta: and, of course, if they're picky, with MythTV, whatever they want can probably be done.
[12:17:47] hashbang: (for the appropriate price, naturally!)
[12:17:52] stuarta: be hard work that's for sure.
[12:17:53] seth|laptop: mythic.tv sells them for $1100. I think it would be a good business.
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[12:18:17] hashbang: stuarta: yes, said market could be quite... demanding...
[12:18:38] stuarta: could be? they are verry very....
[12:18:53] hashbang: stuarta: but these folks do have a tendency to spend 10s or even 100s of thousands on home entertainment, so...
[12:19:05] stuarta: double edged sword.
[12:19:19] stuarta: money to spend, but they demand the best
[12:19:24] seth|laptop: my father-in-law, saw that I was watching hi-def, with a standard 4:3 tv,and he wanted one, gave me $500 and said "build it"
[12:20:22] hashbang: stuarta: better that than not much money to spend, and /still/ demanding the best! :-)
[12:21:13] hashbang: seth|laptop: why not just do a bit of pythagoras and calculate the minimum size 16:9 TV that'd give him the at least the same picture size? ;-)
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[12:22:34] hashbang: stuarta: also, setting up big MythTV systems would give one the excuse to play with really neat hardware
[12:22:42] hashbang: stuarta: e.g. multi-TB RAID, etc.
[12:23:12] seth|laptop: he has a big HDTV-Ready 61" TV, I basically just need to build him a tuner. and thats $100 bucks in my pocket, hehe
[12:23:33] hashbang: seth|laptop: oh, fair 'nuff, then. :-)
[12:24:17] furfurfur: hashbang, I have a sweet new frontend based on an A8N-VM CSM board (mini-itx with DVI out)
[12:24:18] BULLE: hashbang: multi-TB raid isnt expensive anymore, as someone mentioned here yesterday, 400gb disks are a bit over 100usd a piece, buy four or five, and you have what you need for a big raid array
[12:24:35] fryfrog: I think 320G drives are the "ideal" price
[12:24:39] fryfrog: just so ya know :)
[12:24:54] hashbang: BULLE: sure. I got work to spring for a 8*400G RAID, which cost about 3K GBP including a Xeon machine to serve it up.
[12:25:01] BULLE: fryfrog: i have recently bought disks, and yes, i bought 320gb ones, as they had the lowest price per gigabyte
[12:25:18] fryfrog: I think I am going to add a 6th 320G drive to my raid5 :)
[12:25:22] fryfrog: mmmmmmmm
[12:25:25] seth|laptop: he needs a pvr150 as well as 2 OTA HD cards, because his dish network isn't a dvr. He is a contractor and is gone most of the day, so he would like to record some shows, while he is at work, should work out well for him. and I will put thunderbird on there, so he can check his e-mail. That sold him on the deal
[12:25:33] BULLE: fryfrog: i use 6 disks in my array right now
[12:25:43] BULLE: fryfrog: going to try out the raid5 reshape support in the kernel ?
[12:25:45] fryfrog: nice
[12:25:59] fryfrog: BULLE: yup, even saved the text of how to do it so i don't have to go hunting
[12:26:00] seth|laptop: wow, thats alot of disks
[12:26:03] fryfrog: you tried it?
[12:26:06] BULLE: fryfrog: aye
[12:26:08] ** hashbang went for 400G drives as the price/GB of (costof(8*400)+system cost) was less than (costof(8*320)+system cost) **
[12:26:12] BULLE: fryfrog: going from 4 to 6 disks
[12:26:13] fryfrog: how did the reshape go?
[12:26:16] BULLE: fryfrog: well
[12:26:24] BULLE: fryfrog: no problems, it just worked
[12:26:25] fryfrog: cool
[12:26:32] fryfrog: you bumped up by 2 disks?
[12:26:36] BULLE: fryfrog: yes
[12:26:38] fryfrog: did you need to use the "recovery file" option?
[12:26:43] hashbang: WD4000YRs here. :-)
[12:26:45] BULLE: fryfrog: uhm, no
[12:26:49] fryfrog: er, working file thing?
[12:26:56] BULLE: fryfrog: i dont remember seeing a recovery file option
[12:27:03] BULLE: fryfrog: it was very easy, three commands in all
[12:27:09] ** stuarta only has 1 300Gb drive for recordings **
[12:27:09] BULLE: fryfrog: first two commands, to add the two disks
[12:27:23] BULLE: fryfrog: and then the third to reshape the raid5 array
[12:27:24] fryfrog: --backup-file=
[12:27:36] fryfrog: i guess that is if you want to grow the raid5 w/o actually adding a disk
[12:27:47] hashbang: furfurfur: cool. I nearly bought one of those DVI/VGA/32"/HD/16:9/IDTVs from Sainsburys' for 400 notes.
[12:27:52] BULLE: fryfrog: hmmm, my mdadm manpage doesnt mention --backup-file
[12:28:07] fryfrog: mdadm – v2.5.3 – 7 August 2006
[12:28:22] hashbang: furfurfur: but I decided to wait until my 9 year old Finlandia ex-rental 4:3 TV bites the dust.
[12:28:35] furfurfur: hashbang, didn't see them. Am probably going to hit John Lewis for a new plasma when I get my new place.
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[12:28:58] hashbang: furfurfur: well, 9 years since I bought it, anyway. Goodness knows how long it was leased for before that!
[12:29:03] BULLE: mdadm --manage /dev/md3 --add /dev/sde1
[12:29:04] BULLE: mdadm --manage /dev/md3 --add /dev/sdf1
[12:29:05] BULLE: ./mdadm --grow /dev/md3 --raid-devices=6
[12:29:22] furfurfur: hashbang, my 7 year old Matsui widescreen refuses to die. It even had liquid spilled down the back and it went pop and I got frame collapse. But next day it was fine!
[12:29:24] BULLE: and then wait for 10 hours or so, while the array reshaped
[12:29:52] fryfrog: ah, takes a while :)
[12:29:57] hashbang: furfurfur: heh. That's arguably tougher than mine, which has been moved twice without damage.
[12:29:58] fryfrog: usable during though?
[12:30:02] BULLE: fryfrog: yes
[12:30:08] fryfrog: what fs were you running?
[12:30:10] fryfrog: xfs?
[12:30:12] BULLE: fryfrog: ext3
[12:30:15] fryfrog: ah
[12:30:20] fryfrog: pretty easy to grow ext3?
[12:30:24] BULLE: fryfrog: yes
[12:30:33] BULLE: fryfrog: you can grow it while its mounted and active
[12:30:34] fryfrog: the guide i look at doesn't have anything about making the *partition* bigger
[12:30:41] fryfrog: is that cause you don't need to?
[12:30:50] BULLE: fryfrog: partition ?
[12:30:51] fryfrog: er, actually
[12:30:55] fryfrog: i guess there is no partition
[12:31:00] fryfrog: its just /dev/md/0
[12:31:03] fryfrog: er, what ever
[12:31:04] BULLE: fryfrog: there is the block device, yes
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[12:31:28] fryfrog: i think the first time i setup raid, i raided the *devices* and then made partitions on the /dev/md/X device
[12:31:30] BULLE: fryfrog: i use lvm on top of my raid array
[12:31:38] [mbm]: hmm didn't know there was reshape support
[12:31:40] fryfrog: then realized the "right" way is to make partitions on the DEVICES :)
[12:31:56] fryfrog: BULLE: oh? I skipped LVM, didn't seem to add any functionality for me
[12:31:58] ** [mbm] has been using lvm **
[12:32:16] fryfrog: kind of a dumb question...
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[12:32:29] fryfrog: but what if one went with say a 400G drive and made one 320G partition and one 80G partition...
[12:32:41] [mbm]: fryfrog: lvm makes a pretty good partition manager
[12:32:42] fryfrog: and used the 80G partition for a hotspare for a RAID1 that is 80G
[12:32:44] furfurfur: hashbang, upgrading my "standby" myth system to 0.20 yesterday. No issues so far.. although I've not actually tried playing anything back yet *grin*
[12:32:44] fryfrog: stupid idea?
[12:33:01] BULLE: fryfrog: stupid and stupid, nah, as its a hotspare i dont see the problem realy
[12:33:32] fryfrog: i was thinking of doing that, but it seems a bit silly :)
[12:33:41] BULLE: fryfrog: and lvm gives me the capability to move around my logical volumes as i see fit, take snapshots, and so on
[12:34:08] fryfrog: Once I throw in another drive, I won't have room for any more HDs :)
[12:34:09] [mbm]: there's also an older system called evms thats interesting if you like lvm
[12:34:11] BULLE: fryfrog: just monitor your computer now and then, or add some monitoring deamon that keeps track of your disks
[12:34:14] fryfrog: so no place to move around to!
[12:34:29] BULLE: fryfrog: i think mdadm actualy can be run as a monitoring daemon
[12:34:30] ** seth|laptop likes lvm (never used it until mythtv) very easy, not quite as easy as ZFS, but darn close! **
[12:34:36] fryfrog: yeah, i think i run it
[12:34:39] [mbm]: if your disks have smart support be sure to enable automatic offline testing
[12:34:44] fryfrog: but it isn't working yet
[12:35:03] [mbm]: smartctl -d ata -o on -S on /dev/disk
[12:35:03] BULLE: [mbm]: EVMS today just uses the lvm and md stuff in the kernel
[12:35:25] [mbm]: BULLE: it still does evms volumes if you ask it
[12:35:42] [mbm]: works as a gui config for lvm though
[12:36:02] BULLE: [mbm]: yes, but why bother with evms modules, when support for them is not in kernel, and all new development is centered around lvm and dm
[12:36:12] BULLE: s/modules/volumes/
[12:36:18] [mbm]: right
[12:37:15] fryfrog: thanks, i forgot to start smartd :)
[12:38:24] [mbm]: there's a few utils that you can use to keep an eye on your drive temp from smart as well
[12:38:35] hashbang: SMART++
[12:39:37] [mbm]: I learned all about smart the hard way – only after having several errors
[12:40:21] fryfrog: 2 out of 5 of my drives have failed in the first year
[12:40:31] fryfrog: usually i just notice when i do cat /proc/mdstat :)
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[12:41:07] seth|laptop: any one here running slaveback-ends?
[12:41:10] [mbm]: my drives haven't compeletly failed but I have run into several bad sectors
[12:41:19] [mbm]: fixing one such system now
[12:41:32] Beirdo: wow, only 5 more MLB games until playoffs?
[12:41:48] BULLE: MLB ?
[12:41:58] Beirdo: major league baseball
[12:42:05] Beirdo: my how time slips by
[12:42:08] BULLE: oh, one of those sports that dont exist here =)
[12:42:16] stuarta: the only game with a "world series" with only 1 country involved...
[12:42:21] Beirdo: two
[12:42:22] BULLE: stuarta: hehe
[12:42:23] Beirdo: Canada and US
[12:42:28] Beirdo: :)
[12:42:38] Beirdo: but yeah, that's rather lame
[12:42:44] ** seth|laptop is mad at baseball, no more "house" on fox until after the world series. >:-( **
[12:42:45] stuarta: same country code prefix on the phone ~= same country :-P
[12:42:45] [mbm]: you mean canada isn't another state? :P
[12:42:53] Beirdo: even if it was named after a newspaper
[12:42:57] ** stuarta runs & hides **
[12:42:59] Beirdo: not yet, give them time ;)
[12:43:11] BULLE: seth|laptop: oh damn, here house is not interupted by baseball
[12:43:13] Beirdo: well, Dominican Republic has country code 1 too ;)
[12:43:17] kslater: I think the NFL or MLB would welcome a team from another country – as long as it generates revenue.
[12:43:35] Beirdo: yeah, Puerto Rico is TRYING to get MLB
[12:43:37] stuarta: that's just plain stoopid.
[12:43:54] BULLE: kslater: i think the problem, especialy for NFL, is that there is vritualy no other country that plays american football
[12:44:00] Beirdo: they tried to buy the Expos, but lost out to Washington DC
[12:44:05] kslater: all true
[12:44:12] Beirdo: they may try for the Florida Marlins if they continue to tank
[12:44:17] Beirdo: last I heard anyways
[12:44:29] kslater: If Puerto Rico gets a team, the rest of MLB will have trouble getting talent..
[12:44:36] Beirdo: hehe :)
[12:44:53] Beirdo: be nice to have a team or two in Cuba too, but we'll have to wait until Castro croaks for that
[12:44:54] ** nero thinks PR needs a ice hockey team **
[12:45:03] stuarta: need ice first
[12:45:07] Beirdo: oh, we SO need ice hockey teams :)
[12:45:12] Beirdo: there's one permanent rink
[12:45:23] Beirdo: it's out in Aguadilla
[12:45:35] Beirdo: far from most of the population which lives in/near San Juan
[12:45:42] kslater: Beirdo: I thought you were up in the GWN?
[12:45:45] nero: how ya settled in in PR Beirdo??
[12:45:56] Beirdo: kslater, moved in May to get married
[12:46:02] Beirdo: I like it here
[12:46:02] kslater: whoa!
[12:46:09] nero: glad to hear it! :)
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[12:46:19] Beirdo: it's warm ALL the time
[12:46:24] kslater: what a change
[12:46:26] stuarta: rains most of it
[12:46:34] ** Beirdo does the "no more f'ing snow" dance **
[12:46:46] Beirdo: yeah, we get rain nearly daily, but it's rarely bad
[12:46:50] stuarta: sick of bananas yet?
[12:46:58] Beirdo: heck no
[12:47:15] nero: Beirdo, you taken a trip over to the USVI yet?
[12:47:18] Beirdo: tostones (fried green plantains) rule
[12:47:23] Beirdo: not yet, no
[12:47:31] stuarta: mmmm
[12:47:36] nero: when ya get a chance, I give it 2 thumbs up.. :)
[12:47:51] Beirdo: and mofongo (mashed green plantains with garlic and pork rinds) rules as well
[12:47:58] Beirdo: cooked of course
[12:48:01] nero: mmmm...
[12:48:08] Beirdo: yeah, we likely will head over there some time
[12:48:35] nero: between the rum, the food and the sun, I dont think I'd ever go to work if I was living down there ;)
[12:48:39] Beirdo: the biggest complaints I have... fire ants, SHIT ISP and crappy traffic
[12:48:47] Beirdo: yeah, rum...
[12:48:55] Beirdo: my wife has yet to let me buy any rum.
[12:48:56] Beirdo: sigh
[12:49:04] nero: awwwww..
[12:49:13] Beirdo: ah well, likely better this way
[12:49:23] nero: hehe. probably.
[12:49:51] Beirdo: but as most of the rum in Canada/US comes from this island and the neighboring two (Dominican Republic and Cuba), it's a bit of a shame :)
[12:50:07] nero: I thought Bacardi was out of PR?
[12:50:11] Beirdo: yup
[12:50:20] Beirdo: about 1.5 miles from where I was married
[12:50:36] Beirdo: should go over and do another tour (comes with 2 free drinks after all)
[12:50:36] nero: Thats what you usually see in US bars..
[12:50:37] stuarta: yeah, but there must be far better rums than that
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[12:50:47] nero: not that it is a great rum or anything..
[12:50:55] Beirdo: Bacardi's OK rum.
[12:51:00] Beirdo: Don Q is better
[12:51:03] stuarta: it's the shit they export so they don't have to drink it :)
[12:51:05] Beirdo: it's made in Ponce
[12:51:14] Beirdo: yeah, partially :)
[12:51:18] nero: Don Q.. I'll have to look into that.
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[12:51:45] nero: Oh, and I think Captain Morgan comes from PR too..
[12:51:49] Beirdo: yup
[12:51:57] Beirdo: most of it
[12:52:02] Beirdo: some comes from Canada
[12:52:03] Beirdo: :)
[12:52:06] stuarta: better than bacardi that it.
[12:52:16] stuarta: is...
[12:52:22] nero: stuarta, oh yeah.. much better than bacardi.. :)
[12:52:25] Beirdo: Bacardi 151 is good stuff
[12:52:27] Beirdo: :)
[12:52:39] Beirdo: I still like Havana Club best
[12:52:44] stuarta: ooo rocket fule
[12:53:02] stuarta: 5yr reserve HC is nice...
[12:53:03] Beirdo: but no luck in US or PR. Cuban rum is goood, but contraband in this backwards country
[12:53:27] Beirdo: we'll survive :)
[12:53:46] Beirdo: I used to put Captain Morgan Spiced Rum in my coffee
[12:53:50] Beirdo: :)
[12:54:08] Beirdo: one of my coworkers asked once "do you put vanilla in your coffee?"
[12:54:09] Beirdo: hehe
[12:54:13] Beirdo: oh, something like that
[12:54:21] nero: hehe
[12:54:47] nero: so many rums, so many tropical girly drinks..
[12:54:57] Beirdo: pina colada rules
[12:55:04] Beirdo: :)
[12:55:08] nero: which means so many tropical girlies.. ahhh yes.. the Carribean..
[12:55:20] Beirdo: aye, it's great
[12:55:22] [mbm]: Beirdo: that somehow reminds me of the old 'you got chocolate in my peanut butter ...'
[12:55:36] Beirdo: heh
[12:56:28] Beirdo: it's too bad the walls of this house are all concrete. I don't know if I have any option but to use wireless to get to the family room...
[12:56:35] Merlin83b: A big drill.
[12:56:49] Beirdo: OK, wireless or death by pissed off wife :)
[12:56:51] Merlin83b: Power wires have got to get through somehow!
[12:57:03] Beirdo: yeah, I guess so
[12:57:04] Merlin83b: Wait 'til she's out, do it fast :)
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[12:57:15] nero: Beirdo, can you go under?
[12:57:19] Beirdo: nope
[12:57:26] nero: doh.
[12:57:30] Beirdo: yeah :)
[12:57:33] Beirdo: ah well
[12:57:53] Beirdo: I have two currently unused WRT54g sitting in the incomplete office
[12:58:20] Beirdo: I should be able to get it working again, in Toronto I had three of them set up, one by my bed, one in the kitchen, one by the computers
[12:58:34] Beirdo: used WDS bridging between them, worked quite well
[12:59:14] Beirdo: I could likely do that again, one in the family room, one in the bedroom, one in the office
[12:59:28] Beirdo: although mythtv over 802.11g is asking a bit much
[12:59:36] Beirdo: the backend will be in the office
[13:00:21] ** ivor is going gigabit... **
[13:00:26] ivor: :)
[13:00:40] Beirdo: well, IF I can pull cat-5, I'd run it gigabit too
[13:00:42] nero: anyone know if the new mythweb has any of the SOC stuff included?
[13:00:48] Beirdo: but I'm not counting on it for the moment
[13:01:16] ivor: spent last weekend lifting floorboards and threading string.
[13:01:32] Beirdo: oh fun :)
[13:01:40] nero: ugh... 29.4 seconds to load the program listings.
[13:02:02] Beirdo: I spent last weekend cleaning. blech
[13:02:13] ivor: Beirdo: got a new house so I'm doing new house stuff.
[13:02:18] Beirdo: nice :)
[13:02:31] seth|laptop: how well does HD travel over 100MB ethernet. Can it be done. Or would Gigabit be required?
[13:02:50] Beirdo: if we ever BUILD ourselves a house, I want to insist on running Cat-5 to every room
[13:02:51] ivor: rewire phones, check. run cat5e, check.... current assembling the new aerials.
[13:02:54] Beirdo: maybe even Cat-6
[13:03:07] nero: seth|laptop, it should work fine..
[13:03:07] BULLE: seth|laptop: HD is no problem
[13:03:13] Beirdo: seth|laptop, it should be OK on 100mbit, what's the bitrate of the video?
[13:03:27] Beirdo: especially 100mbit full-duplex with a switch
[13:04:45] seth|laptop: well that is what I am doing this weekend, plling cat5 from the front of my house back to the office, 80 foot run. Then Upgrade the slave backend to a sempron 3000+ install the new amd64 3200+ on the fron/matser backend, and then import Fast and the furious,tokyo drift. Busy weekend.
[13:05:04] Beirdo: that should keep you busy
[13:05:12] ** seth|laptop wonders if his linksys 54G router will do full duplex **
[13:05:24] Beirdo: on the switch ports? I think so
[13:05:39] seth|laptop: well that would be great
[13:05:41] seth|laptop: :-)
[13:05:44] Beirdo: not 100% sure, but I think so
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[13:06:32] Beirdo: well, I guess I should get back to messing with the internals of the bot
[13:06:33] Beirdo: sigh
[13:06:54] ivor: nah, go play.
[13:07:17] Beirdo: heh, I wanna get this done and checked in :)
[13:07:56] Beirdo: Oooh, got a hockey game to listen to while I do it if I want
[13:08:11] Beirdo: last night's Ottawa-Toronto pre-season game
[13:08:23] Beirdo: my online stream grabber strikes again
[13:09:07] Beirdo: AUDIO: 22050 Hz, 1 ch, s16le, 20.0 kbit/5.67% (ratio: 2500->44100)
[13:09:07] Beirdo: Selected audio codec: [wma9spdmo] afm:dmo (Windows Media Audio 9 Speech DMO)
[13:09:08] seth|laptop: hey, (waits for someone to laugh at him) what is podcast, and why would myth want to stream it?
[13:09:11] Beirdo: muhhaha
[13:09:24] Beirdo: podcast is an RSS feed of sound files
[13:09:35] Merlin83b: So what does your giant SQL patch get us, Beirdo?
[13:09:36] [mbm]: or video
[13:09:45] Beirdo: right, or video, sorry
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[13:10:09] ** [mbm] loves the tiki bar tv postcast **
[13:10:26] Beirdo: Merlin83b, it will get us queuing of the SQL queries, then after that to use prepared statements with newer MySQL servers for efficiency and security
[13:10:27] seth|laptop: my mtyhcenter has an internet stream option, and there is a subfolder for pdcasts, just wondering what they were, figured they ahd something to do with an iPOD
[13:10:47] Beirdo: this way if the sql server is off, the data will get sent to it as soon as it's back
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[13:11:23] Merlin83b: Sounds good – how much performance increase does prepares statements give?
[13:11:54] Beirdo: I'd have to measure it, but it's supposed to be significant for queries that are used repeatedly
[13:12:15] Beirdo: such as the one that stores channel text, and the one that updates the "last seen" info per nick
[13:12:48] Beirdo: but it's been a lot of fun... heh.
[13:12:55] Beirdo: still not ready to test it quite yet
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[13:13:14] Beirdo: Captured 15366 second(s) of audio.
[13:13:22] Beirdo: how many hours? 4.5?
[13:13:31] Beirdo: heh
[13:13:54] Beirdo: 4h. 7:30pm – 11:30pm
[13:13:55] Beirdo: heh
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[13:14:38] Beirdo: that was streamed all the way from Ottawa to here
[13:14:40] Beirdo: heh
[13:18:53] [mbm]: hmm .. wish comcast would quit screwing with the qam lineup
[13:19:16] [mbm]: they keep the same vct but they move the pid and transport all over the place
[13:19:29] [mbm]: so I need to rescan every few weeks
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[13:27:30] SirPageno: trying to use the parental controls in mythvideo, per the docs it seems like I can set a PIN for each level (1–4),
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[13:27:59] SirPageno: but not sure how to set each level's PIN, any clues?
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[13:42:20] ** dev yawns **
[13:42:24] dev: now to test this patch hehe
[13:42:28] ** dev crosses fingers **
[13:44:06] SirPageno: good luck
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[13:56:39] ** Beirdo doctors another Goon Show capture **
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[13:59:17] fryfrog: man, screen inside of screen is weird!
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[13:59:42] Beirdo: hehe
[14:00:15] Beirdo: I do that all the time, run the inner one with -e ^Bb
[14:00:19] stuarta: hmpf. can't do PiP of live over recorded :(
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[14:00:31] Beirdo: then it will use ctrl-b rather than ctrl-a, problem solved :)
[14:01:18] Beirdo: without that, chaos will likely ensue :)
[14:02:54] Beirdo: oooh, another Goon Show to be captured in 5.5h
[14:03:07] Beirdo: from ABC RN. God bless the Aussies
[14:05:27] fryfrog: what does -e ^Bb do?
[14:05:30] fryfrog: i just...
[14:05:31] fryfrog: oh, bah
[14:05:36] fryfrog: i should read :)
[14:05:39] Beirdo: hehe :)
[14:05:45] fryfrog: i use ctrl-a a <normal command>
[14:05:57] Beirdo: changes the escape char from Ctrl-A A to Ctrl-B B
[14:06:00] Beirdo: basically
[14:06:05] fryfrog: i see
[14:06:20] seth|laptop: any idea why my slave backend would not automatically commflag? I can run the command manually, and it works, but it will not do it for me in auto mode.
[14:06:28] Beirdo: so if the inner screen uses Ctrl-B and the outer Ctrl-A, you will always know which one you are controlling
[14:06:42] fryfrog: someone told me how to put this cool bar below my screen
[14:06:48] fryfrog: so it is easy to see where you are
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[14:08:19] Beirdo: I've seen that before, but I don't recall how
[14:08:22] dverzolla: has anyone getting problem with mythweb?
[14:08:38] fryfrog: me either :/
[14:08:51] fryfrog: dverzolla: protocol miss-match?
[14:09:52] Beirdo: not bad, I have 39 Goon Shows now
[14:10:01] Beirdo: will be 40 in a few hours
[14:10:08] fryfrog: damn, i *though* i put it in screenrc, but it isn't
[14:10:11] fryfrog: what is goon?
[14:10:27] fryfrog: some crazy cdn show?
[14:10:49] Beirdo: British comedy from the 50s
[14:10:50] dverzolla: fryfrog, No, with mysql...
[14:10:59] Beirdo: that inspired Monty Python, etc
[14:11:04] Beirdo: a radio show :)
[14:11:04] dverzolla: fryfrog, http://pastebin.ca/184057
[14:11:36] dverzolla: fryfrog, I has applied the latest patch.
[14:12:01] dverzolla: fryfrog, I has installed the latest mythtv-plugins ...
[14:12:10] dverzolla: fryfrog, :|
[14:13:00] dverzolla: fryfrog, the problem occur when I do a schedule.
[14:13:36] fryfrog: ahhh
[14:13:53] dverzolla: whereis xcris ?
[14:13:58] dverzolla: xris
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[14:17:09] Beirdo: likely in bed
[14:17:16] Beirdo: he's on PDT
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[14:34:50] Klink: Can I assume that if I can record a channel off my DCT6200 via firewire that I should be able to get that channel via a DVB card like an HD-3000?
[14:48:38] fryfrog: Klink: pretty much no
[14:48:59] fryfrog: Klink: the STB is probably decrypting encrypted content, then sending it via firewire unencrypted
[14:49:21] fryfrog: It is *likely* your cable company encrypts the non-local HD channels (TNT, Discovery, ESPN, etc)
[14:49:34] fryfrog: but I think there is a *law* that says they *must* send the local channels unencrypted
[14:49:47] fryfrog: for instance, I get NBC, ABC, CBS, etc with my HD card
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[14:59:00] nordle: hello, I've used dvb-apps to get a channels.conf file, which I imported to myth. But when I go to scroll through the channels there are loads which are not in the channels.conf. By scroll I mean within TV playback, livetv, using channel up/down. Should they not have the same channels? Is it possilbe I've done this wrong?
[15:00:30] dev: nice, that patch from 1153 worked for me
[15:00:35] dev: all fixed
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[15:00:52] dev: guys should commit it to stable hehe
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[15:02:57] catisonh_: anyone know how to get the streaming module working?
[15:03:09] |Torg|: you mean in mythweb?
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[15:03:28] catisonh_: yes
[15:03:45] nordle: catisonh_: I loaded mythstream about 2 hours ago :)
[15:03:49] |Torg|: its in the wiki
[15:03:53] catisonh_: oh really?
[15:03:59] |Torg|: what problem were you having?
[15:04:01] catisonh_: I only see that it had been added
[15:04:16] catisonh_: it says An unknown module was specified when I click on a recorded show
[15:04:22] fryfrog: mythstream, a new module like mythvideo?
[15:04:36] |Torg|: yea its in .19, looking at my .20 its not there
[15:04:43] |Torg|: I dont use it, so its not like I noticed :)
[15:04:46] fryfrog: ah
[15:05:17] |Torg|: catisonh why cant you just mount the directory and play it with video player of choice
[15:05:53] |Torg|: other then the issue with attempting to figure out what recodring is what, it works fine
[15:05:55] catisonh_: I could do that, but this allows people not using Linux to view it as well
[15:06:03] nordle: I downloaded mythstream from http://home.kabelfoon.nl/~moongies/streamtuned.html mmmmm, oops, not the same thing, sorry.
[15:06:30] |Torg|: I can stream them, well ok mount the directory, from my windows box
[15:06:43] |Torg|: go get the windows drivers and you can actualy read whats on the mpegs too
[15:06:50] |Torg|: I assume you can mount a CIFS share?
[15:07:07] catisonh_: yes, Torg, but setting that up for everyone is a pain for me ;)
[15:07:11] nordle: What about samba?
[15:07:20] |Torg|: I was getting ther nordle :)
[15:07:23] |Torg|: what is it a pain?
[15:07:24] nordle: :)
[15:07:30] |Torg|: err why
[15:07:46] |Torg|: and if you get the mythtv filters you can actualy see what the videos are, its sorta nice
[15:08:28] catisonh_: it is a pain because if something goes wrong, they can't fix it themselves
[15:08:41] |Torg|: I just wish my DS codec would do a better job of deinterlacing
[15:08:50] |Torg|: fix what, there isnt anything to fix
[15:09:00] |Torg|: its a windows share, like a windows server (well ok its more robust)
[15:09:13] catisonh_: I understand there are other options, but I would like to get this to work, that's why its there
[15:09:20] |Torg|: you map a drive, just like any other thing. You can even schipt it and use it as your domain server
[15:09:32] |Torg|: ok then revert to .19
[15:09:44] catisonh_: ....thanks for the advice, but no...
[15:10:11] Klink: fryfrog: Thanks, I'm in Canada...don't know if that law holds true. I'm just replacing my motherboard at the moment but will give it another try later.
[15:10:32] nordle: |Torg|: I was copying 30GB of files from linux to linux using samba, latest version, it said I was copying something like 400,000TB of data and it was going to take 40,000 days to complete..... its not totally solid :)
[15:10:40] fryfrog: My plan is as follows: 2x HD air2pc cards getting HD over QAM
[15:11:04] |Torg|: fryfrog, unless I havnt seem them the air2pc cards are ATSC not QAM
[15:11:06] fryfrog: and 2x PVR250s hooked to 2x SD STB via svideo (or firewire, but i already ahve the pvr cards)
[15:11:11] |Torg|: you usre you are looking at the right cards?
[15:11:22] fryfrog: |Torg|: Gen 5 are QAM, all others are not
[15:11:32] fryfrog: |Torg|: i'm *using* an air2pc card now to record HD :)
[15:11:42] |Torg|: ok, yes I use two of them myslef
[15:11:55] fryfrog: i suspect its why the $40 cards on ebay are gen1/2 and $120 for gen5 :(
[15:12:17] |Torg|: when you get them tell me how much differnce it makes with ATSC plese
[15:12:33] fryfrog: |Torg|: i *have* one already, for almost a year now
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[15:12:51] fryfrog: |Torg|: I ordered a gen1/2 on accident yesterday, then had them bump it up to a gen5
[15:12:59] |Torg|: im sorta stuped as to why 3 of my channels do not come in at all, altho I know for a fact they physically sit on the same tower as ones I get 80+ SNR from
[15:13:01] fryfrog: cost me $120 :)
[15:13:05] seth|laptop: yeah, I have the $40 air2pc cards, no QAM
[15:13:07] |Torg|: ouch
[15:13:15] fryfrog: the first one cost me $200
[15:13:18] fryfrog: so :p
[15:13:23] |Torg|: we dont hav digital cable here so I never considerd a QAM card
[15:13:33] |Torg|: I think I paid like $70 a pop for mine
[15:13:40] nordle: does anyone know whether hdparm needs to be run against all devices linked to a physical device? ie to slow down /dev/hdc, do I hav eto hdparm -E 8 /dev/hdc AND /dev/cdrom AND /dev/dvdrw0 etc etc? I mean, is it a kernel thing or a hardware thing... I checked #hdparm but no on there plus figured slowing drives for quietness is something you guys would possibly do.
[15:13:43] fryfrog: It'd be *very* hard to get an antenna where i am :(
[15:13:43] seth|laptop: we have it, but I can't see paying for it, heh
[15:14:01] |Torg|: fryfrog you checked antennaweb?
[15:14:04] fryfrog: yeah
[15:14:16] fryfrog: i need the biggest, most hard core tenna to get all chans
[15:14:21] fryfrog: purple/red
[15:14:39] |Torg|: nordle you run it against every drive, its a hardware thing (more like a drive + cable thing)
[15:14:41] seth|laptop: nordle, you only need to run it against the physical device i.e /dev/hdc , that will automatically touch /dev/dvd /dev/cdrom, etc
[15:14:59] |Torg|: so /dev/hda /dev/hdb /dev/hdc whatever yoou have
[15:15:25] seth|laptop: just a note, if you run it against a cdrom/dvd drive, as soon as you eject a disk, it will need to be run again, on the next disc. The hard drives it will stick to
[15:15:49] nordle: ok, thanks, wasnt sure if because some apps were set for /dev/cdrom and some /dev/hdc it would need doing on both, even though they are the same device, thanks for info.
[15:16:07] |Torg|: btw why are you setting the drive speed?
[15:16:25] nordle: seth|laptop: really, mmm, bummer, must figure a way to do that automagically.
[15:16:29] seth|laptop: probably too noisey
[15:16:56] seth|laptop: mine takes off a hellin' when it reads up, and unless your cranking the 5.1, it get annoying, hehe
[15:17:26] |Torg|: wiat a second seth you mean you actuly turn down the volume on your surround sound :P
[15:17:42] seth|laptop: well when the baby is sleeping, yes.
[15:17:51] nordle: yes, its a reasonably quietish drive, I checked with cdfreaks.com to get one with great read and error correction and quietness. But spinning at 48x, it kinda ruins the super quiet fans, acoustic lining, silent psu etc :)
[15:17:58] seth|laptop: my ubwoofer would knock her out of her crib, hehe
[15:18:02] |Torg|: ahh for a second there I thought maybe my wife was talking to yours :P
[15:18:15] seth|laptop: heh
[15:18:31] |Torg|: nordle the drive *should* automagicly adjust speed in according to what its doing
[15:18:34] |Torg|: most do, at least
[15:19:13] |Torg|: and it dosnt relly spin at 48x its a markting lie, thats its burst rate
[15:19:40] |Torg|: cdroms and dvds all spin at the same speeds, if they dont (like go faster) they cavitate
[15:20:02] nordle: |Torg|: true, but say your watching tv as you load in your lastest family dvd to be xvid, its nice to force it to read in at like 4–8speed, not 48x. Its ok when playing CD's, your right, it auto drops to 1x.
[15:20:05] |Torg|: if your drive is noisy its becase they use cheap motors, and you can play with it if you like but id suggest a differt drive
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[15:20:43] |Torg|: btw nordle thats why we rip dvds to the hddrive :)
[15:20:56] seth|laptop: yes, thats the ultimate solution, hehe
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[15:20:58] |Torg|: oh sorry, its theroreticly why one would copy the dvd
[15:21:02] seth|laptop: good old netflix
[15:21:20] seth|laptop: well we have to make a good backup, because dvd's get scratched
[15:21:23] |Torg|: nobody here really copyies dvds, we just talk about the theory of it
[15:21:56] |Torg|: seth have my kids been over your house :P
[15:22:30] seth|laptop: well I buy the used ones from netflix for 5.99, but the ones I watch on a more frequent basis, I put on myth, that way my already used dvd, doesn't get excessive wear and tear
[15:22:31] |Torg|: usualy they just forget and leave it in the drive, when they want to watch another, they take the one out and put it on top of the case
[15:22:40] nordle: |Torg|: This is the quietest unit I've owned in the last 4 years, I checked with cdfreaks who do a crazy number of tests. Including error correction, but also drives which can play copy protected CD's, this drive had great error correction (for scratched rental dvd's), quiet and could play all current audio CD's. Some latest drives, like peioneer, nec, sony etc could not play some copy protected media.
[15:23:15] |Torg|: nordle I understand how some people dont like the noise, and how some fans and cases etc
[15:23:19] fryfrog: what do used netflix come with?
[15:23:22] fryfrog: no jewel case?
[15:23:25] fryfrog: just a sleeve and dvd?
[15:23:32] |Torg|: what I really dont understnad is I did noting special, ued fans cases everythign stright out of the box
[15:23:47] seth|laptop: yes, they do not have a case, just a cardboard sleeve
[15:23:47] |Torg|: and the noise isnt that bad, so I really cant see what people complain about
[15:23:59] nordle: But, my unit is damn near silent, so any whirring is audible, and if its possible to slow the drive when copy data to the hd, family dvd being divx/xvid again, then its worth doing imo.
[15:24:02] seth|laptop: hence the $6 price tag
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[15:24:27] fryfrog: nordle: i think there is an option to alter the command used to rip a dvd
[15:24:34] fryfrog: so, copy the command and make a short shell script
[15:24:58] seth|laptop: I put them in a cd binder, that way they have some kind of protection, but the ultimate protection is to store them on the mythcenter, that way, they don't get beer spilled on them, or buttery fingerprints, etc, etc, just the remote does, hehe
[15:25:00] fryfrog: put the hdparm command *first*
[15:25:46] nordle: fryforg: thanks for suggestion, my other thought was maybe looking into using some DCOP call.. Or, another idea....
[15:26:12] fryfrog: you might also simply run a cron script
[15:26:18] nordle: remove the mencoder binary, or whatever, and replace it with a shell script to do hdparm then mencoder
[15:26:22] fryfrog: every minute, check to see if dev cdrom is mounted
[15:26:26] fryfrog: if so, do the hdparam
[15:26:41] fryfrog: nordle: the problem with that though is that myth will try and feed it options, no?
[15:26:50] fryfrog: you'll have to be sure to pass those options on
[15:27:13] nordle: fryfrog: cron job it is then :)
[15:27:49] fryfrog: you might make it a bit more robust
[15:28:05] fryfrog: check if its mounted, then if it is check if hdparm has been run already (ie, check the settings you like are set)
[15:28:11] fryfrog: if *all* of that fails, run the command
[15:29:25] nordle: I think I like the idea of just maybe changing the encoding command, as really, its only ever annoying if ripping / encoding etc and watching / listening to something else at the same time. Most of the time the drive is pretty quiet.
[15:29:36] nordle: As you suggested earlier.
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[15:33:09] seth|laptop: Any one here use mythburndvd?
[15:33:28] fryfrog: is that "mytharcive"?
[15:34:04] seth|laptop: well on my mythweb its called mythdvdburn, its for putiing your recordings onto a dvd, I beleive it calls the mytharchive program
[15:34:52] seth|laptop: I was wondering if this could be done on a slave backend, or if it needed to be done on the master backend
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[15:36:45] dev: i havent found anything yet that cant be done on the slave
[15:36:57] dev: beat them, dont feed them, chain them in the closet, anything seems to work
[15:37:34] seth|laptop: i know I can commflag and transcode, and this is part of the process, I would just rather have the dvd being created back i the office, .vs in the family room
[15:38:33] seth|laptop: i have a lot of boohbah shows to put on dvd for my daughter, therein freeing up space on the backend for more bits
[15:39:18] seth|laptop: i am also thinking I would like to put the new show "heroes" on dvd as well, I am just wondering where to put the burner
[15:39:59] dev: cant speak for what you're useing specifically, sorry.
[15:40:09] dev: id say just give it a try? :)
[15:40:48] seth|laptop: sounds like a plan
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[15:44:22] fryfrog: speaking of heroes, it was good :)
[15:45:16] jcsmith: hi all, i'm looking to upgrade my current myth setup from myth .19 on ubuntu breezy to myth.20 on ubuntu dapper
[15:45:23] Led-Hed: It didn't develope the characters at all. Just POOF I can walk thru fire, I can bend time and space.
[15:45:26] jcsmith: any one done something similar lately?
[15:46:11] Led-Hed: jcsmith: nope. But I'm looking to migrate my FC4/0.19 to Ubuntu Dapper + 0.20
[15:46:43] jcsmith: should i just go with .20 or should i pull the latest stable branch from svn?
[15:46:52] seth|laptop: yeah, I think heroes will stick
[15:47:16] nordle: is anyone running mythweb using php5?
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[15:51:58] seth|laptop: php4 here
[15:52:14] jcsmith: Led-Hed, have you done any research on myth and dapper, should they play nice together or are thany any gotcha's i should be on the look out fo?
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[15:53:59] Led-Hed: I haven't.
[15:54:23] Led-Hed: I usually just create a test system and give it a whirl.
[15:54:40] ** jcsmith wishes i had a system to test it on first **
[15:55:32] Beirdo: yay, I think my first step worked
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[15:57:12] nordle: seth|laptop: the mythtv.org docs dont mention perms on the web server dir root, does mythtc require write access or is it purely to run web pages to interact with mythbackend?
[15:57:22] fryfrog: It seems like the Heroes story is going to show their progress from "person with powers" to "super hero"
[15:57:50] fryfrog: instead of "normal person" -> "person with powers" -> "super hero"
[15:58:35] jcsmith: dang, that did premire last night, i knew i was missing something
[15:58:43] fryfrog: heroes?
[15:58:48] fryfrog: think it premiered a few nights ago
[15:59:05] fryfrog: 4400 i think is more like the latter
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[16:00:22] seth|laptop: nordle, it does require permissions, I use knoppmyth and there are entries in /etc/apache/httpd.conf that set up permissions on /var/www and in my case for mythweb /var/www/mythweb
[16:00:42] jcsmith: Led-Hed: a little googling turned this up http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Ubuntu_Dapper_Installation
[16:00:55] seth|laptop: My entries for these are located under the "Documnet Root" heading
[16:01:01] jcsmith: fryfrog: sorry, i've had 4 exams in class this week so i'm a little out of it, it may have premired any day this week and i wouldn't know
[16:01:20] fryfrog: hehe
[16:01:45] nordle: seth|laptop: knoppmyth would have been really good idea, Im comfortable with Slackware, so figured how hard can it be.....3 days later :)
[16:02:55] seth|laptop: yeah, knoppmyth enables mythweb by default, it is just not secured. That is how I learned about the permissions in httpd.conf, otherwise anybody could have gotten into my mythbox, and scheduled all kinds of recordings, hehe
[16:06:28] antiPosix: what ports does a frontend need to have access to on the backend?
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[16:06:37] antiPosix: is NFS used?
[16:07:19] jams: antiPosix- only if you set it up
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[16:09:02] GreyFoxx: nordle: At one time it required write access for the stored php_sessions directory. Not sure if it still does now
[16:11:22] nordle: GreyFoxx: Im just tweaking php.ini now, figured might as well run jinzora on the same box as its got mysql, usually I use postgresql on my desktop, so couldn't run jinzora or myth.....+ the monitor is smaller than tv and the box has 7 fans.
[16:12:50] dev: might be a bit late on this, but the only dir you have to change perms on in the mythweb dir is the data dir, it needs to be writeable by apache
[16:15:13] nordle: dev: not late at all, Im just about to start the service, thanks for the info.
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[16:22:49] ack_f0o: hullo
[16:29:13] nordle: mythweb does work with php5 and apache 2.2.3.......so far at least :)
[16:29:46] seth|laptop: thats good to know. I don't think I could get along without it. It is how I do all of my scheduling. And program deletion
[16:32:08] seth|laptop: and the best part is I can do it from anywhere at anytime. No more forgetting to record something :-)
[16:33:09] nordle: seth|laptop: Do you have static ip, or some script to send/mail the ip somewhere or...?
[16:33:24] seth|laptop: I have a static IP
[16:34:03] nordle: last time i checked, a few years ago now, my isp charged extra..... have to have another look into that, the interface is really nice.
[16:35:10] seth|laptop: i pay $5 a month for static. It sucks. But with embarq (the isp formerly known as sprint) they changed my ip every day, released the dhcp lease, so for now I pay.
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[16:35:11] nordle: the channel editor is swweeeeeet :) ooo its exciting.... must get out more, you see what locking myself away for 3 days has done ;)
[16:35:22] BULLE: nordle: just use a dynamic dns
[16:36:07] nordle: BULLE: not heard of that.....google, I'd have no job without it!
[16:36:48] BULLE: nordle: basicly, you just run a small script on your computer, that reports the current ip your machine has, to the dynamic dns
[16:36:53] BULLE: nordle: that way, dynamic ips arent a problem
[16:37:14] BULLE: nordle: i would secure the webserver/mythbackend with some sort of digital certificate though, just to be safe
[16:38:11] nordle: BUELLE: ok, yeah i have heard of that, can you recommend any companies you used?..... security wise, .htaccess do?
[16:38:29] BULLE: dyndns.org is a very big player
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[16:38:45] BULLE: dunno, i dont remember how i configured apache
[16:39:34] GreyFoxx: nordle: .htaccess is fine
[16:39:40] GreyFoxx: unless you are that paranoid
[16:40:00] GreyFoxx: I personally don't care who sits in the middle and sees me schedule a recording from my office to home
[16:40:29] dev: i do!
[16:40:31] dev: so i vtund!
[16:40:33] dev: =P
[16:40:39] nordle: GreyFoxx: ahh but I wouldn't want my boss knowing I like watching teletubbies :O
[16:41:07] dev: but that way you can also port forward things through the tun interface, like web traffic, email, etc :P
[16:41:20] nordle: woohoo pop3 at work
[16:41:22] dev: big brother sucks
[16:41:22] GreyFoxx: nordle: if I was that paranoid I would just use either ssh port forwarding for openvpn
[16:41:48] GreyFoxx: I already use opevpn from my house to my work mythbox./file server for watching stuff from here
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[16:42:51] nordle: GreyFoxx: I played with openvpn a few years back, but it was a little complex to setup, maybe its easier now (v2.0.7 now iirc). ssh sounds ok, putty still works... they block pop but not ssh..
[16:43:01] seth|laptop: the firewall guys don't get after you, they do here
[16:43:10] dev: nordle: check out vtund
[16:43:18] nordle: dev: ok, thanks.
[16:43:25] dev: np
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[16:43:38] GreyFoxx: nordle: My laptop uses opevpn for connecting to the office, and I use putty to tunnel my web traffic when I'm onj the road through my colo box+squid proxy
[16:44:14] GreyFoxx: I run squid on phaze.org on localhost only, so if you don't get local shell access you can't reach it
[16:44:45] dev: good idea. squid is a like a massive gapeing bleeding pussing hole
[16:44:58] nordle: GreyFoxx: Does your squid use dansguardian with clamav to filter out viri? v nice feature if using win systems, remember that gif vuln they had since like 1993!
[16:45:22] nordle: dev: your not a fan.
[16:45:27] GreyFoxx: nordle: Nah, I'm not really worried about that stuff
[16:45:51] dev: nordle: squid is great, as long as its restricted, dmz'd, etc :)
[16:46:28] dev: but firewalling it isnt pheasible when you're on the road
[16:46:38] dev: so localhost and ssh tunneling is a great idea.
[16:46:48] GreyFoxx: yep
[16:47:10] GreyFoxx: I use to travel a lot of business and didn't want customers sniffing what I was doing or where I was connecting to while I was there :)
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[16:52:23] Igg-man: nordle: I'm using openvpn
[16:52:33] nordle: It looks like my isp does FREE static ip now. But its confusing me, I've got 1 router with about 4 machines. It works well, I figure I need just 1 static for the router. But they offer "Single Fixed Suitable for single machine connections where users are taking part in gaming or videoconferencing etc. 2 fixed usable addresses For use with router network connections only. Ideal for network users wishing to run a mail server or VPN connections. OR Mul
[16:53:22] nordle: lgg-man: easy to setup?
[16:53:44] Igg-man: Well, there was a lot of steps, but no harder than mythtv
[16:54:22] nordle: lgg-man: thats not saying much! kidding. It all just takes time and reading.
[16:55:03] Igg-man: The docs were good. I think it helped to know about routing and stuff too. I have access to all of my home network through it
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[16:58:37] nordle: seth|laptop: you got a single ip, do you have >1 machine behind a router using NAT? Why would my ISP say that single ip for single machine, need 2 ips for router? Sounds odd to me, but I know very little about it.
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[16:59:14] KaZeR: anyone here using nuvexport?
[16:59:44] GreyFoxx: nordle: Causes most users are stupid and think they can assign the same IP to multiple machines at the same time
[17:00:31] KaZeR: GreyFoxx, a more politically correct word is ignorant :)
[17:00:43] nordle: GreyFoxx: But they seem to imply that I can't have a single IP for the router and continue to opperate NAT.
[17:00:52] dev: i prefer 'retards'
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[17:01:25] GreyFoxx: nordle: Thats not how I read it :)
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[17:01:43] GreyFoxx: KaZeR: I don't go for the PC routine :)
[17:02:21] KaZeR: :)
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[17:03:52] nordle: GreyFoxx: sorry, I left out an important piece, the description of dynamic mentions nat, static does not: "Dynamic • [Current] Suitable for single machine connections or some networks using Network Address Translation (NAT).Single Fixed Suitable for single machine connections where users are taking part in gaming or videoconferencing etc."
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[17:06:20] GreyFoxx: nordle: They are referring to incoming connections, like if you ran a game server or someone connected to you for video conferencing.. Hence the one PC. Sure you CAN use nat and port forwarding to do it as well but that's usually out of the reach of most users
[17:06:45] carstenc: Hi all, does somebody have experiences with DVB-S on mythtv ?
[17:07:22] carstenc: sorry I meant DVB-T, DVB-S is already running ok :)
[17:07:23] hjohnson: I do DVB-S for a living, but not with Myth. :P
[17:07:36] nordle: GreyFoxx: I feel slightly less of a retartd now ;)
[17:07:41] carstenc: hjohnson: with vdr ?
[17:07:42] hjohnson: DVB-T shouldn't be that much different than DVB-s.. as long as you can tune the demodulator to the right frequencies.
[17:07:56] nordle: GreyFoxx: who cant spell :(
[17:07:56] antiPosix: kill -9 retartd
[17:08:01] carstenc: I have a usb-stick which should be supported
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[17:08:11] carstenc: with dvb-t
[17:08:13] carstenc: but ...
[17:08:19] txoof: how can I check to see if the ivtv module is properly installed?
[17:08:21] carstenc: I only see it with lsusb
[17:08:30] hjohnson: txoof: dmesg and read
[17:08:32] carstenc: nothing in dmesg
[17:08:59] carstenc: in demsg there are only messages from dvb-s devices
[17:10:07] seth|laptop: ivtv-detect
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[17:10:47] seth|laptop: that should list configured devices using the ivtv drivers
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[17:11:15] txoof: hjohnson: I see an entry from ivtv and there are no errors; there is no mention of my card, however. Should the dmesg entry show the card?
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[17:14:26] antiPosix: what are the minimum requirements for a frontend. The highest res(all actually) recordings are 320x240.
[17:14:50] antiPosix: could I make a celeron 500Mhz machine act as a frontend?
[17:15:09] antiPosix: or is that asking too much out of it
[17:15:16] seth|laptop: I would imagine for SDTV
[17:15:27] txoof: ivtv-detect shows my card, but when I cat /dev/video0 > test.mpg I get an io error after about 30–45 seconds.
[17:16:02] seth|laptop: this device , what feeds it coax or composite or svideo?
[17:16:45] GreyFoxx: antiPosix: It might be ok, but it's pushing it and might not be worth the effort
[17:17:20] dev: antiPosix: if you're useing an nvidia card capable of xvmc it should be ok
[17:17:29] dev: without xvmc, i will barely be useable
[17:18:21] antiPosix: can NVidia GeFrorce MX 4000 64MB AGP do Xvmc
[17:18:27] nordle: Thanks again for all the help, need to go play with xdm and try and get myth to load automatically on boot...or kdm... bye.
[17:18:32] seth|laptop: yes
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[17:18:39] seth|laptop: antiposix
[17:18:46] antiPosix: what exactly is Xvmc
[17:18:58] GreyFoxx: antiPosix: Hardware assisted mpeg decompression
[17:18:59] seth|laptop: it uses the nvidia card cpu .vs the system cpu
[17:19:02] antiPosix: I have "xv" turned on in the setup
[17:19:06] GreyFoxx: XVideo Motion Compensation
[17:19:18] dev: google must be broke ;)
[17:20:17] txoof: what should the dmesg entry look like to indicate that the module has been installed and is using the card?
[17:21:13] seth|laptop: should see about 6 or so lines starting with ivtv
[17:21:19] antiPosix: I dont think I have any mpeg2 streams that xvmc needs to decode. I use software RTJpeg encoding
[17:21:42] seth|laptop: what file extension does TV store as?
[17:21:47] GreyFoxx: antiPosix: then no xvmc isn't of use to you
[17:21:50] antiPosix: .nuv
[17:22:03] txoof: seth|laptop: I see several lines, but no mention of my card. There are no errors.
[17:22:04] seth|laptop: ah, that won't work
[17:22:18] txoof: ivtv-detect shows my card, howerver.
[17:22:20] seth|laptop: txoof, lines referring to ivtv
[17:22:47] antiPosix: decoding nuv on a 500Mhz is a no-go?
[17:22:52] seth|laptop: if that is the case, it should have loaded the module correctly
[17:23:08] antiPosix: 320x240 nuv that is
[17:23:11] seth|laptop: anti, probably not
[17:23:18] GreyFoxx: antiPosix: It's not likely to work very well if at all
[17:23:21] antiPosix: curse these old CPUs
[17:23:50] seth|laptop: txoof, what connection is being used on this device
[17:24:15] seth|laptop: coax, composite,svideo?
[17:24:38] txoof: seth|laptop: nothing yet.
[17:24:50] txoof: seth|laptop: it will eventually be connected to coax.
[17:25:10] seth|laptop: well then video0 is what you want, but right now it will fail as there is no source material
[17:25:23] txoof: seth|laptop: shouldn't I be able to get at least static?
[17:25:24] seth|laptop: you need to have it hooked up to a source first
[17:25:33] txoof: OK. I'll hook it up and see what happens.
[17:25:35] seth|laptop: not likely
[17:26:09] txoof: I don't have a splitter at the moment... will it be ok if I just hook it up to a powered antena?
[17:26:20] seth|laptop: sure
[17:26:37] seth|laptop: is it setup in myth-setup?
[17:26:55] seth|laptop: or are you going to use something like xmltv or the lot?
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[17:28:41] txoof: seth|laptop: I'm not that far yet. I'm following a howto and I'm at the step where I'm installing and setting up my tuner card.
[17:28:45] fryfrog: anyone using gentoo and see any circular dependancy problems with mythdvd and mythvideo?
[17:29:03] seth|laptop: ok
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[17:29:55] txoof: seth|laptop: I'm running cat /dev/video0 > /tmp/test.mpg
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[17:30:51] txoof: seth|laptop: I still get i/o error after about 45 seconds.
[17:31:41] seth|laptop: i have never done that, I just used the antenna, not sure what the outcome would be, but wouldn't the order be different, wouldn't you want to cat the file to the target, not the other wa around?
[17:32:51] seth|laptop: oh never mind, i see now, disregard
[17:33:03] ** seth|laptop is braindead **
[17:33:59] seth|laptop: i think you need another party, something like xmltv, or use mythtv-setup. It will tell you if it can open the port or not. then give it a name and have it sacn for channels, then try to watch it
[17:34:39] seth|laptop: i would think you would need to tell the device what channel you want to cat out
[17:34:48] seth|laptop: hence the need for the other party
[17:35:07] txoof: I'm installing xmltv now. I'll see what happens.
[17:35:15] antiPosix: Why is lm_sensors displaying these voltages? How can I adjust the voltage? do I have a bad powersupply?
[17:35:15] antiPosix: +2.5V: +3.10 V (min = +2.36 V, max = +2.61 V) ALARM
[17:35:15] antiPosix: +5V: +6.44 V (min = +4.73 V, max = +5.20 V) ALARM
[17:35:15] antiPosix: +12V: +15.60 V (min = +11.35 V, max = +12.48 V) ALARM
[17:35:51] Igg-man: Wow... that is a little bit off
[17:35:52] antiPosix: I am guessing this is why my CPU runs hot and my system is unstable. I'm not overclocking either
[17:36:00] Igg-man: I don't think I've seen one that far off before
[17:36:07] seth|laptop: txoof, if ivtv-detect shows your card, I would just procedd with mythtv-setup, you will know right away if its going to work or not.
[17:36:20] Igg-man: Are you running 220V with the power supply set to 110V?
[17:36:37] antiPosix: 110VAC
[17:37:00] antiPosix: but I will investigate the switch on the power supply, my 4 year old may have flipped it to 220
[17:37:08] antiPosix: which shouldnt(in theory) do anything
[17:37:19] Igg-man: Do you have a voltmeter that you can test with? Perhaps the sensors are bad?
[17:37:39] antiPosix: but my CPU is not stable. I think it is because it is hot
[17:37:52] Igg-man: What CPU is it?
[17:37:58] antiPosix: the sensors for CPU are way off, saying -60C
[17:38:04] seth|laptop: ick
[17:38:08] Igg-man: Do you have all the proper heat sink compond
[17:38:11] antiPosix: AMD Duron 740
[17:38:13] antiPosix: 750..
[17:38:22] BULLE: antiPosix: have you checked temp and voltage readings in the bios ?
[17:38:44] antiPosix: BULLE: thats my next test. I'll reboot shortly and haev a look in there
[17:38:45] BULLE: antiPosix: so its not just lm_sensors that have a problem with reading your sensors properly ?
[17:39:14] BULLE: antiPosix: lm_sensors totaly fuckup my sensor readings, so a check in bios is what i would recomend, to realy see if the psu is acting up or not
[17:39:18] txoof: seth|laptop: what's the executable for xmltv?
[17:39:29] seth|laptop: xmltv
[17:41:27] seth|laptop: I may be wrong there, I have never used it, appologoes
[17:41:35] seth|laptop: have you tried mythtv-setup?
[17:42:06] txoof: seth|laptop: nope. I haven't installed myth yet. I guess I'll press forward and see what happens.
[17:42:31] seth|laptop: i would, if ivtv-detect shows your card, and you have a source hooked up to it, it should just work
[17:42:35] seth|laptop: thats the beauty of mythtv
[17:42:46] seth|laptop: drivers+source material=TV, :-)
[17:42:59] flyback: <antiPosix> +2.5V: +3.10 V (min = +2.36 V, max = +2.61 V) ALARM
[17:42:59] flyback: [13:35] <antiPosix> +5V: +6.44 V (min = +4.73 V, max = +5.20 V) ALARM
[17:42:59] flyback: [13:35] <antiPosix> +12V: +15.60 V (min = +11.35 V, max = +12.48 V) ALARM
[17:43:00] flyback: dude
[17:43:05] flyback: unless your sensors are wrong
[17:43:10] flyback: you got serious shit
[17:43:21] flyback: tell me what brand power supply you have and what motherboard
[17:43:27] flyback: OMFG
[17:43:34] flyback: those are all out of spec
[17:43:45] flyback: I wonder if the sensors are wrong, stuff should be smoking by now
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[17:47:50] dev: lm_sensors is almost always wrong :P
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[17:52:34] flyback: I hope so
[17:52:39] flyback: otherwise he is seriously canucked
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[17:55:58] GreyFoxx: He is seriously Canadian ?
[17:55:59] GreyFoxx: :)
[17:56:08] Beirdo: that sounds good to me
[17:58:20] flyback: hey Beirdo
[17:58:26] flyback: lets put the past behind us for lilo's sake
[17:58:27] flyback: ok?
[17:58:36] Beirdo: huh?
[17:58:44] flyback: i'm fishhead
[17:58:58] Beirdo: well, behave yerself then
[17:59:12] flyback: deal
[17:59:13] GreyFoxx: he wouldn't even have known :)
[17:59:18] ** flyback shakes Beirdo's hand **
[17:59:33] flyback: i'm still pretty upset lilo was a good friend 10+ yrs
[17:59:45] Beirdo: so?
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[17:59:57] flyback: i'm making peace with people on freenode :)
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[18:00:15] [mbm]: wow, it's fishhead
[18:00:44] flyback: yah yeah
[18:01:05] antiPosix: awkward...
[18:01:12] |Torg|: do any of you use XvMC with xrandr?
[18:01:12] [mbm]: entirely
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[18:02:02] fryfrog: i forgot who fishhead is :P
[18:02:04] fryfrog: and who is lilo?
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[18:02:09] fryfrog: besides a boot loader :p
[18:02:19] antiPosix: Stiches friend
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[18:02:25] Beirdo: hehe
[18:02:27] fryfrog: ahha
[18:02:35] Beirdo: the nick of the guy who runs this network
[18:02:38] seth|laptop: lilo is grubs little brother :-)
[18:03:01] [mbm]: seth|laptop: wouldn't that be older brother?
[18:03:23] Beirdo: and fishhead is now known as flyback, and was a huge nuisance here a while back. Hopefully he's decided to behave now :)
[18:03:34] antiPosix: true, lilo is older, but grub seems more mature.
[18:03:40] seth|laptop: actually mbm you are right, lilo would be the older brother, hehe,
[18:03:46] seth|laptop: <---- braindead
[18:04:08] dev: lilo would be lik the older redneck brother with half the intelligence tho
[18:04:13] dev: grub is just so much better in every way :P
[18:04:20] ** seth|laptop agrees **
[18:04:21] Anduin: Beirdo: ran
[18:04:32] Beirdo: ran?
[18:04:34] |Torg|: #define better
[18:04:38] Beirdo: I missed something?
[18:04:41] Anduin: Beirdo: Yeah, http://freenode.net/news.shtml
[18:04:42] antiPosix: lilo is sucking applesauce through a straw while stroking his banjo, while grub is out getting the chicks
[18:04:49] |Torg|: its not depicated, so its a matter of opinion
[18:04:59] flyback: fryfrog
[18:05:06] Beirdo: Oh, jeez
[18:05:06] flyback: lilo founded this network
[18:05:18] Beirdo: sorry to hear about that.
[18:05:23] antiPosix: I thought Al Gore found the internet
[18:05:46] flyback: Beirdo yeah
[18:06:01] flyback: what sux is we got into a minor fight and he temp klined me
[18:06:05] flyback: what a way to say goodbye :/
[18:07:19] antiPosix: awkward
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[18:07:33] fryfrog: Anyone know if cardoe was working on an ivtv 0.8 ebuidl?
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[18:07:58] flyback: I can't wait to setup a myth or freevo box
[18:08:07] flyback: I rather like myth but I dunno if I can come upw ith the requirements
[18:08:14] antiPosix: did you just say, um... freevo
[18:08:23] flyback: even in just windows with it's buggy software my pvr250 has proven to me so much better than a vcr
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[18:08:25] flyback: hey hey calm down
[18:08:28] Beirdo: !trout flyback freevo
[18:08:28] ** MythLogBot slaps flyback with a freevo trout on behalf of Beirdo... **
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[18:08:34] flyback: :P
[18:08:51] flyback: so the min for just a backend only is 256 ?
[18:09:11] flyback: all I'm for now is timer and record to disk, and share on my lan
[18:09:17] flyback: don't even need live action ff/rewind or now
[18:09:22] Beirdo: you MIGHT be able to use 128, but I'd strongly suggest 256 or more
[18:09:28] flyback: I can go 192 for sure
[18:09:30] flyback: 128 + 64
[18:09:45] flyback: totally dedicated box
[18:09:45] Beirdo: worth a try, keep an eye on swap usage
[18:09:52] flyback: ok
[18:09:54] flyback: thx :)
[18:10:24] antiPosix: using swap is like taking a piss in the shower. No one likes to do it, but we all do once in a while
[18:10:30] flyback: hah
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[18:11:11] |Torg|: actualy you use swap all the time, if you like it or not
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[18:11:17] |Torg|: swapping is fine, scanning is not
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[18:11:26] antiPosix: so I guess swap is more like taking a dump then?
[18:11:43] Beirdo: using swap feels good?
[18:11:44] |Torg|: swap is like a copy of the memory so the sceduler can decide who to put to sleep or not
[18:12:07] |Torg|: when people say my box is swapping what they mean is it is scanning
[18:12:08] flyback: yeah but I can tweak the canuck out of this box
[18:12:13] flyback: strip it down to bare
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[18:12:21] flyback: cause it's 100% dedicated little pII 350 box
[18:12:24] Beirdo: why are there Canadians in your box?
[18:12:26] Beirdo: silly
[18:12:28] flyback: :P
[18:12:38] flyback: heh I still can't forgive canada for all the hot chicks they have :)
[18:13:05] Beirdo: every country has em
[18:13:08] antiPosix: I just got an email for a large investment opertunity! looks like I'll be buying that PVR-250 afterall!!
[18:13:31] antiPosix: I've never seen a hot eskimo
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[18:13:50] flyback: Anduin
[18:13:52] flyback: antiPosix
[18:13:57] flyback: pvr250 is excellent
[18:14:00] GreyFoxx: antiPosix: Actually most of them live up in Alaska which is american soil :)
[18:14:01] flyback: even on low quality mpeg-2 mode
[18:14:07] flyback: it beats the hell out of a vhs vcr
[18:14:13] antiPosix: Canada does take the hot chick to nasty chick ratio in my opinion
[18:14:42] [mbm]: damn, all I get is princes asking me to help them embezzel money
[18:15:05] flyback: http://sliceoftheday.com/morgan_webb/
[18:15:08] antiPosix: strolling down St-Catherine st is very enjoyable
[18:15:21] Beirdo: Don't blame Canada for Montreal
[18:15:25] antiPosix: business chicks on Rene-levesque
[18:15:41] flyback: http://www.starswelove.com/hollywood/women/ev . . . _lilly01.htm
[18:15:46] flyback: OH CANADA!
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[18:15:47] ** flyback sings **
[18:16:25] antiPosix: even the "average" middleage shopper at Ikea canada!
[18:16:43] Beirdo: heh
[18:17:02] Beirdo: I'm more partial to Puerto Rican women... well, one in particular
[18:17:46] antiPosix: the girl from Arrested Development, Marta?
[18:17:59] flyback: elisha cuthbert
[18:18:01] flyback: the chick on 24
[18:18:04] flyback: canuck
[18:18:12] antiPosix: is that the daughter?
[18:18:17] Beirdo: yep
[18:18:18] flyback: like half the hot actresses now are canadian
[18:18:19] flyback: yep
[18:18:28] Beirdo: she used to be on Popular Mechanics for Kids
[18:18:38] antiPosix: I think the daughter, mother and Jack's fling are all very atractive
[18:18:56] Beirdo: oh, and Kiefer Sutherland... Canadian
[18:18:57] antiPosix: what was Jacks affair-girls name?
[18:19:00] flyback: http://webzoom.freewebs.com/caterinascorsone/aftb4.jpg
[18:19:04] Beirdo: hell, half that show is Canadian actors
[18:19:07] antiPosix: Rita?
[18:19:15] antiPosix: Nina
[18:19:22] GreyFoxx: Beirdo: seems half of most shows are now
[18:19:27] flyback: http://www.victoriaprattonline.com/
[18:19:31] Beirdo: yeah :)
[18:19:37] GreyFoxx: plus aton of stuff filmed here in NS, TO and BC
[18:19:43] Beirdo: anyways... trying to debug this stupid bot.
[18:19:55] Beirdo: dunno what I borked, but I borked something
[18:20:04] Beirdo: trying with electric-fence
[18:20:48] antiPosix: the malloc debugger?
[18:20:52] Beirdo: yeah
[18:20:56] antiPosix: have fun
[18:21:01] Beirdo: seeing if I'm tromping all over memory
[18:21:20] antiPosix: who wrote the bot? you?
[18:21:25] Beirdo: yes
[18:21:38] Beirdo: and my latest set of massive changes borked something
[18:21:41] antiPosix: who's IRC libs are you using
[18:21:46] Beirdo: but with like 10+ threads...
[18:21:48] antiPosix: the firetalk?
[18:21:51] Beirdo: no
[18:21:58] antiPosix: your own?
[18:22:08] Beirdo: botnet (not the infestation type of botnet, just something poorly named the same)
[18:23:03] xris: http://www.amazon.com/Hacking-MythTV-ExtremeT . . . /0470037873/
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[18:25:06] Beirdo: blargh
[18:25:15] Beirdo: seems that efence really doesn't like that library
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[18:28:35] ack_f0o: i have an interesting channel change problem — i have an ivtvctl portion to fix audio inputs which works fine when I watch tv, but it doesnt seem to fix the problem under recording any help?
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[18:34:39] brad_mssw: mythtv auto-resets a lot of things, like volume, channel, etc before it starts recording ... i'm not sure if they provide a config option to adjust all the settings or not ...
[18:35:42] ack_f0o: hmm
[18:36:23] ack_f0o: i am really curios wot gives on that — i would think that the external channel change command *(which works for recording as well) would be good enough to trigger the ivtvctl command..
[18:36:43] ack_f0o: hmm maybe I could whip up a perl script to check state and then modify... hmmm bbiab
[18:37:03] brad_mssw: hmm, I would think that it would make those changes before calling the external channel change script
[18:37:17] brad_mssw: but I'm not sure, haven't looked at that portion of the code
[18:37:22] ack_f0o: yeah — and then the channel change should override right? that was my thought
[18:37:22] SirPageno: anyone have an suggestions for a good closed caption font? (like with the music note symbol)
[18:40:24] ack_f0o: <--- stupid
[18:41:44] ack_f0o: needed to set to a different input # — it cleaned it up bc it wasnt taking _everything_ in, but when I changed to a diff input #it now wrks
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[18:42:42] madfactor: what dirs need to be copied to restore a myth box?
[18:42:47] Weezey: Ever since I upgraded to .20, my mythweb recordings page hasn't worked. Anyone know how I can kick it to make it work again?
[18:43:29] |Torg|: reinstall mythweb
[18:43:30] Weezey: madfactor: recordings dir, /var/lib/mysql, any other settings you have for your hardware (ivtv, lirc, alsa etc)
[18:43:31] brad_mssw: Weezey: just the recordings page ? or all of mythweb ? and what's the problem with the recordings page, what error are you getting?
[18:43:36] SirPageno: Weezey, the mythtv.org page sez there isa problem with that, and to install the patch
[18:43:50] Weezey: SirPageno: sweet, thanks.
[18:43:56] madfactor: so /etc/* and /var/lib/mysql/*
[18:44:03] Weezey: brad_mssw: yes, just the recordings page, it keeps spinning.
[18:44:32] Weezey: madfactor: and the recordings, and if your front end logs in as mythtv; /home/mythtv
[18:44:33] brad_mssw: Weezey: make sure you're running 0.20a or the latest .20-fixes SVN like SirPageno suggested
[18:44:58] brad_mssw: Weezey: I don't know the actual symptoms of the .20 initial issue as I never ran that version
[18:45:02] xris: Weezey: error messages are helpful
[18:45:18] Weezey: xris: that's the thing, there weren't any
[18:45:32] xris: brad_mssw: unrelated. the problem with .20 (and .20a to some degree) was with creating new recording schedules.
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[18:45:40] xris: Weezey: check your apache error logs, there must be something.
[18:45:58] madfactor: yeah... the backend was running knoppmyth before... after installing some modules using apt-get... it wouldn't boot "kernel panic"... I think I'm going to compile the next one from source.
[18:46:30] madfactor: using a more polished linux distro.
[18:47:14] madfactor: So, I'll rsync those dirs off the box with knoppix and clean install.
[18:50:01] otwin: I had a problem that mythweb didn't give me the wap skin when accessing with my nokia mobile -now, since I modified .htaccess to not ask authentication from some ip's (like my wap provider outgoing ip) the problem is gone. Anybody knows why?
[18:50:48] xris: otwin: did your phone support auth?
[18:51:03] xris: and did you use a separate login from the phone?
[18:51:28] otwin: well it asked me for username:password and let me in. I used the same username.
[18:51:41] xris: mythweb groups sessions to the login.
[18:51:51] xris: apparently the chosen theme overrides the mobile stuff
[18:52:13] xris: you could submit a bug and I'd try to fix it, but since my phone doesn't support web access I don't really have a way to test.
[18:52:27] ack_f0o: nope wasnt it...
[18:52:30] fryfrog: Anyone using gentoo, 2.6.18 kernel and wish they had an ivtv ebuild?
[18:52:35] fryfrog: for 0.8.0 i mean?
[18:52:37] otwin: here is my apache log: http://pastebin.ca/184267
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[18:54:58] qazqaz70: i want help
[18:55:40] Anduin: qazqaz70: ask
[18:55:45] qazqaz70: i want install myth by sudo apt-get install
[18:55:54] qazqaz70: can i do that ?
[18:56:33] Anduin: qazqaz70: follow a good setup guide for your distro
[18:57:16] otwin: xris, so deleting sessions in my sessions save path could help? at least for debuggin...
[18:57:34] xris: otwin: mythweb stores sessions in the db
[18:57:45] qazqaz70: i try but i dont understand
[18:58:11] xris: qazqaz70: what distro are you using?
[18:58:37] otwin: aah – ok. i'll have a look at it. thx.
[18:58:58] qazqaz70: Ubuntu
[18:59:07] xris: otwin: easier if you just use a different login, though.. or do what you did and turn off auth for your phone ipp
[18:59:26] xris: qazqaz70: if you use ubuntu, you'll be stuck with a really old version (.18)
[18:59:43] xris: or you can compile your own, or upgrade to ubuntu's Edgy release.
[19:00:31] qazqaz70: i allready download 20
[19:00:37] qazqaz70: v20
[19:00:37] qazqaz70: .
[19:00:54] xris: qazqaz70: if you're compiling from source, you really should use the .20-fixes branch in svn
[19:01:05] qazqaz70: i download this mythtv-0.20
[19:01:24] xris: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/
[19:01:34] xris: read the part that says "stable 0.20 branch, do this instead:"
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[19:06:00] gbee: what displaysize should I be using for 16:9 720x576?
[19:06:17] madfactor: does the knoppmyth auto upgrade script really WIPE /dev/hda1??
[19:06:24] |Torg|: depends on how big your TV is
[19:07:00] fryfrog: gbee: depends on what your tv supports
[19:07:05] fryfrog: mine i use 1280x720
[19:07:16] fryfrog: 720x576 is *not* hd
[19:07:25] fryfrog: so if your tv is a ws non-hd tv, that might be right
[19:07:27] flyback: madfactor just grab a dban disc if you need to clear data first
[19:07:35] |Torg|: the default is 75x75 so what you are doing is seeing 4:3 scaled to 16:9
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[19:07:46] |Torg|: its litteraly 1" by 1"
[19:07:47] madfactor: fb: debian?
[19:07:55] |Torg|: so 75 pixels = 1 "
[19:08:02] otwin: xris, tried with all sessions deleted. mythweb chooses once the skin and keeps it. so using the web browser now gives me the wap skin. i'll just use different logins, like you said.
[19:08:07] fryfrog: oh
[19:08:23] fryfrog: literally the "displaysize" that changes how font size and stuff ends up
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[19:08:30] madfactor: I want to preserve my data.
[19:08:33] flyback: madfactor oh
[19:08:34] xris: otwin: yeah. it's designed to work that way. might be possible to override stuff specifically for phones, though
[19:08:36] flyback: nm then
[19:08:44] xris: but probably not cleanly/easily
[19:08:47] gbee: fryfrog: in uk, no HD ;)
[19:08:53] qazqaz70: why nobody help me to install myth ?
[19:08:58] |Torg|: like fryfrod said the DisplaySize variable fools the X server into what you say is 1" and scaled the fonts accordingly
[19:09:09] xris: gbee: thought UK had a test HD channel on bbc
[19:09:31] xris: qazqaz70: because you didn't respond to the suggestions I gave you
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[19:09:36] madfactor: That is why I am asking about the "deletion"... the auto update script warns of a deletion of /dev/hda1... but it that were the case, how would it update anything?
[19:09:50] gbee: well true, a few more on satellite too but not enough to make me spend money on a HD tv
[19:10:02] xris: qazqaz70: but if you're a german speaker, people in #Mythtv-de will likely help more than here.
[19:10:03] madfactor: Contemplating using auto-update to fix a broken box.
[19:10:31] qazqaz70: i'm arabic langauge
[19:10:46] qazqaz70: thats why so defecult for me
[19:10:54] |Torg|: mdfactor if your box is broke, unless you know why. auto-update will most likly auto-corrupt it more
[19:11:09] otwin: xris, it's fine for me – may be it should be mentioned in the readme. so no need to open a ticket?
[19:11:29] madfactor: torg: I dunno why for sure... could have been something installed on a apt-get
[19:11:32] qazqaz70: if u can do that by remote do that for me please
[19:11:38] gbee: hmm, think I'm using the right displaysize really – just need to persuade myth that it's 16:9 NOT 4:3
[19:12:16] |Torg|: gbee *try* 325,182
[19:12:17] xris: otwin: open a ticket or I'll forget
[19:12:23] otwin: ok
[19:12:26] |Torg|: its probbly not correct, but it may be close
[19:12:37] madfactor: torg: the hd is good... fsck/badblocks checks good.
[19:13:00] xris: qazqaz70: apt-get install subversion
[19:13:05] |Torg|: ok madfactor, but what does it do/not do that makes you think its bad
[19:13:13] gbee: been so long since I set this up originally that I really can't remember what was necessary :p
[19:13:13] xris: and then: apt-get build-dep mythtv mythplugins
[19:13:18] madfactor: "kernel panic"
[19:13:20] madfactor: laugh
[19:13:33] |Torg|: you have a bad driver, bad compile of something
[19:13:41] |Torg|: its posible you also have bad hardware
[19:13:52] |Torg|: does it panic in the same place, every time?
[19:13:54] quicksilver: gbee: that's why I take notes when I do myth stuff
[19:13:57] madfactor: Yes...
[19:14:01] quicksilver: gbee: otherwise I always forget
[19:14:02] Weezey: bah, this isn't the same mythweb bug.
[19:14:09] |Torg|: and where would that place be?
[19:14:11] madfactor: but can't find anything in the logs to suggest why.
[19:14:23] madfactor: right after the hd is detected...
[19:14:38] |Torg|: IDE?
[19:14:39] madfactor: I get mount: device or resource busy
[19:14:43] qazqaz70: i write like this sudo apt-get install myth but nothing coming
[19:14:43] madfactor: yeah.
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[19:14:52] |Torg|: what distro is it?
[19:14:52] madfactor: but the drive mounts good in knoppix.
[19:15:12] madfactor: it is currently knoppmyth
[19:15:27] |Torg|: mount it under knoppmyth and pastebin its fstab
[19:15:29] tgnb_: hey guys i'm trying to get mythtv working with firewire input on gentoo with a motorola dct6412 cable box
[19:15:41] |Torg|: the file is in the /etc directory
[19:16:06] xris: qazqaz70: that's not what I said to do, though
[19:16:15] madfactor: Yeah... I know fstab... curious to what you are looking at there?
[19:16:15] xris: qazqaz70: sudo apt-get install subversion
[19:16:23] tgnb_: i'm reading in the wiki about this cable box.. it says "Channel change and capture work, but require "priming" the port with p2p=1, channel=63, bcast=0 and a short capture with test-mpeg2 to get it started"
[19:16:24] xris: qazqaz70: sudo apt-get build-dep mythtv mythplugins
[19:16:40] madfactor: torg: can I mount it until knoppix instead?
[19:16:48] tgnb_: but its not clear as to what that means.. how do i prime the port etc
[19:16:55] |Torg|: madfactor: I want to know what pass is set for say /usr and what else you have on automount like and NFS share
[19:16:56] madfactor: I can start network with knoppix.
[19:17:15] madfactor: nothing... I wasn't using NFS.
[19:17:21] madfactor: I was using samba.
[19:17:21] siXy: do geforce turbocache cards provide working full opengl and xv accelleration? eg gf 6200?
[19:17:27] xris: tgnb_: I think SlicerDicer has a script to do that. it should be in the wiki
[19:17:28] |Torg|: you going to have to mount it under another os. a boot from a /knoppix disk is fine
[19:17:36] brad_mssw: tgnb_: there's a newer way ... use firewire_tester.c from contrib/
[19:17:48] brad_mssw: tgnb_: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/browser/branches/r . . . htv/contrib/
[19:18:03] qazqaz70: the first one done
[19:18:07] ** xris wishes that the firewire port could be used to turn the box ON. **
[19:18:15] madfactor: knoppmyth by default puts the all the root filesystem in /dev/hda1
[19:18:26] brad_mssw: tgnb_: there's also a README right above it ...
[19:18:44] madfactor: OH K... I'll get that going. Thanks torg for your help. brb
[19:19:00] qazqaz70: second give me this
[19:19:02] qazqaz70: E: Unable to find a source package for mythtv
[19:19:15] |Torg|: well madfactor the only other thing it coudl be is debian or that screwey knoppix idea of load every module it can find somehow screwed up your fs stack
[19:19:36] xris: qazqaz70: you likely have to enable the source (or src) repositories in apt...
[19:19:46] tgnb_: brand thanks i'm reading it..
[19:19:57] qazqaz70: how
[19:20:17] qazqaz70: if u can by remote please dothat for me
[19:20:39] xris: qazqaz70: remote would require root ssh access to your box, and trust me you don't want that.
[19:20:58] xris: you can do it from within synaptic or ubuntu's gui apt setup program (I don't know what it's called)
[19:20:58] qazqaz70: do all think np
[19:21:19] qazqaz70: only i want install this
[19:21:26] qazqaz70: do every thing
[19:21:58] rothga1: how can I completely remove mythtv and start over? I am having a problem with the color palette and I have tried recompiling with the 0.20 release but I still get the problem (I am using kubuntu 6.06 and did sudo apt-get remove mythtv but I want to make sure it is all gone)
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[19:22:39] Beirdo: OK, this might crash the bot
[19:22:43] Beirdo: !dig www.beirdo.ca
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[19:22:48] Beirdo: !list
[19:23:00] Beirdo: hmmm
[19:23:08] qazqaz70: i see here this synapti
[19:24:24] Beirdo: ah, it's not loaded on this instance.
[19:26:30] gbee: |Torg|: that displaysize worked close enough for now :)
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[19:26:59] |Torg|: ok I thought it would at least get you close
[19:27:13] tgnb_: brad_mssw, i dont manually compile files like this often.. i tried but get errors
[19:27:14] |Torg|: is it too big or too small still?
[19:27:35] brad_mssw: tgnb_: you probably don't have one of the dependencies
[19:28:22] Weezey: Okay, I can't go to the main screen of the recorded programs in mythweb, but if I do: ?title=Program+name it works, so there's something stupid with one of my recordings or something causing mythweb's main index to not work.
[19:28:32] brad_mssw: tgnb_: make sure you have emerged libiec61883
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[19:28:54] tgnb_: media-libs/libiec61883–1.0.0-r1
[19:29:04] brad_mssw: tgnb_: and as long as you have ieee1394 in your use flags, I think you should have the rest from when you emerged mythtv
[19:29:16] brad_mssw: tgnb_: hmm, I'm running 1.1.0, but that's probably not a huge deal
[19:29:24] brad_mssw: tgnb_: what error are you getting?
[19:29:59] gbee: now I just need to get X to startup with the correct resolution – it's insisting on using 1024x768 even though the only mode I have listed is 720x576
[19:31:47] tgnb_: brad_mssw, http://pastebin.ca/185228
[19:33:02] tgnb_: brad_mssw, wait a min i am stupid :)
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[19:34:43] snecklifter: hi there
[19:35:19] snecklifter: whats the word on the SOC stuff, anyone seen a posting about it?
[19:35:36] gbee: heh – just had a bottle of snecklifter :)
[19:35:46] snecklifter: gbee, i envy you
[19:35:55] gbee: left over from the brewery tour :)
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[19:35:59] snecklifter: i have two downstairs but its all about choosing the right moment
[19:36:10] snecklifter: ah! you went. Good isnt it
[19:36:17] snecklifter: I've met the head brewer
[19:36:20] gbee: aye
[19:36:31] tgnb_: brad_mssw, here is the error output http://pastebin.ca/185232
[19:36:39] snecklifter: But that was a while back before the buyout
[19:37:24] snecklifter: so, anyone seen a review of the SOC?
[19:38:07] Anduin: snecklifter: There have been a few posts to the mail list about it.
[19:38:16] gbee: snecklifter: depends what you mean by review? SOC in general, the mythtv stuff? whether we'll be including it in mythtv etc?
[19:38:30] snecklifter: gbee, yeah as in how successful it was
[19:38:36] snecklifter: i saw the win port stalled
[19:38:53] gbee: well as a whole, it was very successfull
[19:39:01] snecklifter: ah, good
[19:39:17] gbee: sorry, missed the "not"
[19:39:36] snecklifter: oh
[19:39:42] gbee: not very successful
[19:39:46] snecklifter: well that changes things then
[19:40:31] gbee: although about half got a final payment iirc, that was being generous
[19:40:52] gbee: can't remember the exact stats on how many completed etc – but it wasn't good
[19:41:15] snecklifter: right, i was just reading the joomla write-up you see and remembered myth was undergoing the same process
[19:42:01] gbee: some of the mythweb stuff will probably be going into svn soon, don't know about the rest
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[19:42:44] tgnb_: brad_mssw, i'm upgrading to 1.1.0 to see if it makes a difference
[19:42:49] gbee: actually – look at http://code.google.com/soc/mythtv/about.html
[19:43:21] gbee: those are the projects where any progress was made – out of ten starting particpants
[19:43:27] brad_mssw: tgnb_: oh, you need to read how to compile it at the top of the file :)
[19:43:34] brad_mssw: tgnb_: you forgot to link the libraries
[19:43:52] tgnb_: brad_mssw, ok i didnt know that :) i will check it out
[19:44:08] snecklifter: gbee, crikey i wonder why so many seem to stall...
[19:44:10] ssstormy: hello, I'm having a small issue. I get a timeout when mythtv tries to connect to the backend
[19:44:27] ssstormy: the funny part is, the backend is on localhost, that's what the settings have too
[19:44:29] snecklifter: ssstormy, error message?
[19:44:30] ssstormy: and it works sometimes
[19:44:49] ssstormy: Connection timed out.
[19:44:49] ssstormy: You probably should modify the Master Server
[19:44:49] ssstormy: settings in the setup program and set the
[19:44:49] ssstormy: proper IP address.
[19:45:13] snecklifter: different backend and frontend?
[19:45:20] snecklifter: as in separate machines?
[19:45:31] ssstormy: nope same
[19:45:58] gbee: snecklifter: laziness mostly, the students lacked motivation to work outside of a strict office environment
[19:46:14] snecklifter: gbee, i know that one but its still disappointing
[19:46:22] gbee: aye :(
[19:46:23] snecklifter: ssstormy, whats the system specs?
[19:47:37] ssstormy: amd64 3800
[19:47:52] ssstormy: pair of large disks
[19:47:55] ssstormy: 2gb ram
[19:48:06] ssstormy: it's not too old, let's just say that
[19:48:12] snecklifter: fair enough
[19:48:21] tgnb_: brad_mssw, that worked fine :) thanks now i get errors when using the program as is suggested in the readme
[19:48:27] tgnb_: Action: Test P2P connection 5 times, node 1, channel 1
[19:48:27] tgnb_: P2P: Testing...libiec61883 warning: iec61883_cmp_create_p2p_output: Failed to get the oPCR[0] plug for node 1
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[19:49:22] snecklifter: ssstormy, what are the backend settings?
[19:49:23] tgnb_: and plugreport also has some errors show up:
[19:49:36] tgnb_: libiec61883 error: error reading oMPR
[19:49:36] tgnb_: libiec61883 error: error reading iMPR
[19:49:46] ssstormy: nothing special
[19:49:48] ssstormy: just default
[19:50:22] snecklifter: ip address?
[19:50:34] ssstormy: I am using my domain name
[19:50:51] ssstormy: cause later i am going to use my xbox as a frontend too
[19:50:56] snecklifter: ah
[19:51:14] ssstormy: same problem cropped up when I used localhost and 127.0.0.1
[19:51:52] snecklifter: stick with the latter
[19:51:58] ssstormy: k
[19:52:11] ssstormy: this is weird
[19:52:15] snecklifter: mysql starting up okay?
[19:52:23] ssstormy: mythtv-setup says "warning, backend running"
[19:52:29] ssstormy: yeah mysql working fine
[19:52:34] snecklifter: what distro?
[19:52:42] brad_mssw: tgnb_: you need to get which node your box is on
[19:52:45] ssstormy: and then when I exit mythtv-setup and start frontend it gives can't connect
[19:52:47] ssstormy: it's gentoo
[19:52:57] brad_mssw: tgnb_: it's probably not node 1 ... I think those boxes are typically on node 2
[19:53:01] brad_mssw: tgnb_: by box is on node 0
[19:53:18] brad_mssw: tgnb_: plugreport will tell you though
[19:53:20] snecklifter: you should stop the backend before running mythtv-setup really
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[19:53:38] snecklifter: and then restart afterwards
[19:53:45] Darthy: does anyone have good presets for myth stream? mine dont work mostly.
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[19:54:20] ssstormy: oh
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[19:55:11] tgnb_: brad_mssw, the box has 2 firewire ports... depending upon which one i plug the computer into i get information for node 1 or 0 and the libiec61883 error shows up on whichever one nothing is plugged in
[19:55:17] tgnb_: so i guess thats normal
[19:55:42] tgnb_: but box i meant STB.. its a motorola dct-6412
[19:56:22] tgnb_: i will post the output of firewire tester in a new pastebin
[19:56:23] snecklifter: ssstormy, can you log into mysql
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[19:56:58] brad_mssw: tgnb_: hmm, possible you need to use broadcast instead for some reason ... have you tried that? either that, or your kernel is missing some necessary features
[19:57:08] ssstormy: the user account or mysqladmin
[19:57:20] snecklifter: mysql itself
[19:57:55] ssstormy: yeah
[19:58:01] ssstormy: and it's not givng the error anymore
[19:58:09] ssstormy: btw how do I switch which input I'm using
[19:58:15] ssstormy: while in "Watch TV"
[19:58:31] snecklifter: so the problems fixed?
[19:58:36] ssstormy: temporarily
[19:58:38] ssstormy: it's done this before
[19:58:41] ssstormy: randomly working
[19:58:43] snecklifter: temporarily?
[19:58:43] ssstormy: randomly not
[19:58:45] ssstormy: yeah
[19:58:53] snecklifter: how about rebooting and testing it a bit?
[19:58:54] ssstormy: I tried stopping backend
[19:58:57] ssstormy: running setup
[19:58:59] ssstormy: and starting
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[19:59:07] ssstormy: it usuaully works after reboot
[19:59:21] brad_mssw: tgnb_: ls -l /sys/bus/ieee1394/drivers/ ... I have video1394, dv1394, and raw1394 ... I know raw is required, not exactly sure about the others though
[19:59:31] ssstormy: I don't have my coaxil cable right now
[19:59:42] ssstormy: so the only video input I can get something going on is the composite
[19:59:50] ssstormy: how can I switch it to my composite?
[19:59:59] ssstormy: besides changing the default input
[20:00:15] snecklifter: you can check the key configs in myth
[20:00:32] ssstormy: myth what?
[20:00:51] snecklifter: mythfrontend
[20:00:58] ssstormy: how do I check them?.
[20:01:33] ssstormy: online?
[20:01:34] ssstormy: manual
[20:01:35] ssstormy: ?
[20:02:16] snecklifter: you can change them in mythfrontend
[20:02:20] tgnb_: brad_mssw, please check out this: http://pastebin.ca/185257
[20:02:31] snecklifter: this will tell you the key config for changing inputs
[20:02:39] snecklifter: cant remember the default
[20:02:47] js0: Is there an option in mythtv to transcode to mpeg4/xvid?
[20:03:12] Juski: mpeg4, yes
[20:03:42] ** Juski remembers it's "let's not RTFM Thursday" today **
[20:04:03] snecklifter: Juski, Im about to, I really am
[20:04:35] js0: Juski, So I need to use transcode if I want to transcode to xvid?
[20:07:12] Juski: js0: yeah or nuvexport
[20:07:21] js0: ok, thanks
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[20:11:16] ssstormy: dangit... I can't play any audio either...
[20:11:32] ssstormy: the stupid thing is video audio works
[20:11:38] ssstormy: but I can't play like mp3's
[20:13:08] snecklifter: and what happens when you try using mplayer say?
[20:13:09] brad_mssw: tgnb_: what channel do you have your cable box tuned to ?
[20:13:16] snecklifter: from the command line that is
[20:13:24] ssstormy: I get errors about my dsp device
[20:13:26] brad_mssw: tgnb_: are you sure it's not an encrypted channel ? are you sure it's a digital channel ?
[20:13:28] ssstormy: I gotta reboot though
[20:13:32] ssstormy: I'll be back in a bit
[20:13:36] ssstormy: thanks for your hlep snecklifter
[20:13:43] snecklifter: ah!
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[20:13:55] brad_mssw: tgnb_: it's probably one of those 2 causes and not an actual problem
[20:15:02] brad_mssw: tgnb_: since I get those errors in those instances
[20:16:47] pushpop: is there anything else out there for linux like mythtv, im just curious?
[20:17:00] tgnb_: brad_mssw, i'm on channel 211 wtvjd which is local hd cbs channel.. i dont know for sure its unencrypted.. how can i find out which one's are?
[20:17:45] brad_mssw: tgnb_: you have to enter the diagnostics menu
[20:18:14] brad_mssw: tgnb_: you should be able to google for something like '5C motorola check'
[20:18:22] Juski: pushpop: there's only freevo & vdr, but neither are as fully featured as mythtv
[20:18:39] brad_mssw: tgnb_: '5C' is the firewire encryption flag
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[20:19:07] brad_mssw: tgnb_: since that's a FTA channel, they _shouldn't_ be encrypting it, but I've heard some companies are anyhow
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[20:19:22] brad_mssw: tgnb_: supposedly you can fight them on it though, as I don't think they're 'allowed' to
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[20:24:03] madfactor: I should have never used knoppmyth
[20:25:37] Dibblah: Fun. SATA port multipliers are _only_ supported by one driver. For the rest, PM means power management. Yay for disambiguation.
[20:27:16] [mbm]: haha
[20:27:56] [mbm]: isn't oss fun?
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[20:29:50] Paladine: hey guys I am thinking of doing a videocast about MythTV and related plugins/hardware fora new internet tv show I am in the process of planning, so if anyone is interested or knows how to get in touch with the developers for interview, can you let me know
[20:29:51] hjohnson: Dibblah: what do the port multipliers do, but the drives on different LUNs?
[20:30:02] gentoo-user7184: Hey Paladine u would never guess what happened duirng my memtest
[20:30:07] scopeuk: any one know of a $60 or less card that uses pci express 1x
[20:30:08] Paladine: ?
[20:30:14] gentoo-user7184: this morning before i woke up the power went off
[20:30:41] gentoo-user7184: so i have to do the test again
[20:30:46] Paladine: so you never got the results?
[20:30:50] gentoo-user7184: nope
[20:31:04] gentoo-user7184: but right now its on pass 11 with no errors
[20:31:07] Dibblah: hjohnson: Sorta.
[20:31:10] Paladine: k
[20:31:25] Dibblah: It's a different tech, but it maps through to that, I believe.
[20:31:28] gentoo-user7184: i hate when stuff like that happens,
[20:31:51] Dibblah: scopeuk: To do anything specific?
[20:32:09] tgnb_: brad_mssw, i chose a different channel and have more success now
[20:32:25] tgnb_: with both p2p and broadcast
[20:32:34] tgnb_: now what do i need to do with this information?
[20:33:15] Dibblah: scopeuk: 120026863158 on ebay.
[20:34:50] simcop2387: scopeuk: for video? my brother found one on price watch for $30, including shipping, an nvidia 6200 or so
[20:35:00] simcop2387: was on sale then though
[20:35:21] scopeuk: simcop2387 a tv card
[20:35:25] scopeuk: for capture
[20:35:42] scopeuk: id prefer a pci express 1x becouse i have two slots i dont see me usign for anyhting else
[20:35:52] scopeuk: all ive seen so far is $120 dual tuner monster
[20:35:54] simcop2387: ah, i've never seen a pci-express capture card, though it'd be neat for DH
[20:35:55] simcop2387: HD*
[20:36:19] scopeuk: http://www.overclockers.co.uk/acatalog/TV_Cards.html
[20:36:22] scopeuk: about 1/2 way down
[20:36:43] scopeuk: Terratec Cinergy 2400i DT DVB-T TV Tuner (PCI-Express) – Retail (GX-000-TT)
[20:37:12] Dibblah: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/NEW-TERRATEC-CINERGY-TW . . . cmdZViewItem
[20:37:41] Dibblah: Of course, it's not supported under Linux.
[20:37:42] scopeuk: i can have the cash in ym account inside that tiem limit
[20:37:52] scopeuk: yeh technically its goign in a windows box
[20:38:00] scopeuk: but i knew you guys whould be the right people to ask
[20:38:58] brad_mssw: tgnb_: enter mythtv-setup and add your firewire tuner
[20:39:02] scopeuk: thanks alot
[20:39:14] brad_mssw: tgnb_: make sure you specify your channel changer and firewire node
[20:39:16] Dibblah: Well, that's an auction ;)
[20:39:35] Dibblah: So it's likely to be sniped somewhat higher than that.
[20:39:35] brad_mssw: tgnb_: you'll probably want to set up your listing source and all that as well...
[20:39:41] scopeuk:
[20:40:29] madfactor: ne1 use rsync to backup knoppmyth configuraton directories?
[20:40:34] scopeuk: dont rearly need dual tunners but when in rome
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[20:41:32] scopeuk: and of course if linux support is ever done then it can migrate into my myth box
[20:42:00] tgnb_: brad_mssw, how do i specify my channel changer? the node i'm ok to specify
[20:42:57] brad_mssw: tgnb_: you need to get the channel changer out of contrib/ for your box ...
[20:43:03] brad_mssw: tgnb_: probably have to compile it as well
[20:43:44] brad_mssw: tgnb_: test it, then copy it to /usr/local/bin or similar and point the channel changer config to it
[20:45:32] tgnb_: hmmm the closest one in there is for a dct6200 .. 2 months old .. i guess i should try that
[20:47:27] BULLE: madfactor: what about it ? i dont use knoppmyth, but i do use rsync
[20:52:08] |Torg|: anyone here use the nv driver instead of the nvidia on HDTV?
[20:52:49] madfactor: the knoppmyth default installation has a bunch of symlinks... can't find the right conbination to preserve simlinks (the machine won't boot, so the root fs is a relative path)
[20:52:59] xris: |Torg|: nv doesn't work so well
[20:53:00] madfactor: combination of args.
[20:53:44] |Torg|: xris: im trying to figure out why the nvidia driver lokgs up the mythtv buffers
[20:54:15] |Torg|: Ive tired the 8774 and 7184 driver neither work
[20:54:20] |Torg|: and now im trying the nv driver
[20:54:40] xris: odd
[20:55:03] |Torg|: what is odd that it locks the buffers?
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[20:55:15] |Torg|: it also will not work, with opengl painting
[20:56:25] |Torg|: I can accuratly recreate the no menu error with opengl
[20:56:40] |Torg|: it has to do with mythttv implimntation of opengl
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[20:57:26] dev: |torg| it has to do with old themes
[20:57:28] dev: reinstall your themes
[20:57:36] dev: opengl problem will go away.
[20:57:51] dev: i have no idea waht you mean by 'it locks the buffers' though
[20:57:56] |Torg|: ok ill attempt that
[20:57:59] dev: so i can only tell you hwo to fix one of your prbs ;)
[20:58:12] |Torg|: ill recreate it and show you then
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[20:59:15] fryfrog: Any suggestions on where to find a guide to setting up X on an HDTV?
[20:59:30] |Torg|: what kind of HDTV?
[20:59:46] fryfrog: A Sony KV-30HS420 hooked to PC via HDMI
[20:59:58] fryfrog: so I think I basically just need to tell it the resoultion is 1280x720
[21:00:10] |Torg|: can you get EDID from it?
[21:00:30] fryfrog: good question, i guess its time to go hook the system up to it :)
[21:00:53] fryfrog: thanks, afk a bit :)
[21:01:11] |Torg|: first check what EDID give you, if not I can supply you with some basic timings that may or may not work
[21:01:44] |Torg|: also use interlaced modes if you are goign to record NTSC and do not deinterlace with myth
[21:02:03] xris: fryfrog: why? most hdtv's are 13something by 768
[21:02:09] fryfrog: oh?
[21:02:19] xris: I just ran `X -configure` for the plasma at work and it picked up everything
[21:02:26] fryfrog: 16:10, not 16:9?
[21:02:30] fryfrog: k, i'll try
[21:02:41] fryfrog: the one problem i had in the past is that nothing would display until x was started
[21:02:42] |Torg|: run 'x -verbose 10 > X.log 2>&1 &'
[21:02:44] fryfrog: is that normal?
[21:02:48] |Torg|: then go read the X.log file
[21:02:54] xris: fryfrog: the vga/dvi input is often different than the tv input
[21:03:05] fryfrog: I'm *using* the DVI output
[21:03:10] fryfrog: which is what makes it seem odd :/
[21:03:26] |Torg|: does it display any graphics at all?
[21:03:28] fryfrog: if i hooked a monitor to VGA, i saw stuff during bootup (of course)
[21:03:38] fryfrog: not until X starts, but this was 6mo-1yr ago
[21:03:41] xris: fryfrog: yeah, that does seem a little odd. you should usually get some kind of console display
[21:03:44] fryfrog: lemme go hook it up and find out about now :)
[21:04:15] tgnb_: brad_mssw without the channel changer should i at least be able to watch the first channel to confirm success?
[21:04:21] |Torg|: depending on your TV you shoudl at least get console display. it most linky will be way beyond the magion of the tv too
[21:07:44] brad_mssw: tgnb_: yeah, should be able to
[21:08:04] tgnb_: brad_mssw, because it seems i can't :( when i go to watch tv it says that "mythtv is already using all available inputs for the channel you selected. If you want to watch an in-progress recording, select one from the playback menu. If you want to watch live TV, cancel one of the in progress recordings from the delete menu"
[21:08:28] tgnb_: but i havent set up anything to record yet even :)
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[21:08:39] brad_mssw: tgnb_: you have to have channel listings available
[21:08:52] brad_mssw: tgnb_: and you have to try to tune to a channel that's bound only to the firewire
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[21:09:41] tgnb_: hmm in other words i cant have the STB watching channel 211 and myth tv as well on the same chan?
[21:09:47] hjohnson: lol I read bjohnson as hjohnson and thought to myself "how could I be online twice, and from that odd username"
[21:10:16] scopeuk: hey some of us are sjohnson
[21:10:24] hjohnson: :P
[21:10:29] scopeuk: :-0
[21:10:31] scopeuk: :-)(
[21:10:39] hjohnson: ok.. I should be doing something productive today
[21:11:25] brad_mssw: tgnb_: well, just meaning if you have another tuner card, that has the same channel, if you're viewing livetv, myth provides no way to choose which tuner you want to use to view that channel
[21:11:55] tgnb_: brad_mssw, i have another tuner card, but its not defined in mythtv-setup
[21:12:20] brad_mssw: tgnb_: if you emerge libiec61883 with the 'examples' use flag, you can use test-mpeg2 -r 0 > /tmp/test.mpg to capture some video, then use mplayer or xine to play it
[21:12:34] brad_mssw: tgnb_: to at least know if it's 'really' working
[21:12:41] tgnb_: ok i will try that first
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[21:13:13] brad_mssw: tgnb_: you need to 'CTRL-C' to break out of test-mpeg2, because it'll keep going and going and going (unless it segfaults, like it does on some channels for me)
[21:17:20] |Torg|: dev: this is what I mean 2006-09–28 16:17:02.394 NVP: Timed out waiting for free video buffers.
[21:17:30] |Torg|: its the only error I can see in any log
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[21:18:00] |Torg|: thats with as verbose as X can get(it just reports that it set the mode of the tv from 1280x720 to 1920x1080"
[21:18:09] |Torg|: the backend noted something connected
[21:18:20] |Torg|: and the fronten spits out over and over its waiting for free buffers
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[21:20:25] tgnb_: brad_mssw, libiec61883 warning: No plugs exist on either node; using default broadcast channel 63.
[21:20:39] tgnb_: channel 63 is definetely not HD
[21:21:00] brad_mssw: tgnb_: different type of 'channel', nothing to do with the 'tuned' channel on your STB
[21:21:20] brad_mssw: tgnb_: it's a firewire 'channel', all video goes over channel 63, no matter what your STB is tuned to
[21:21:40] tmccrary: I'm trying to setup my remote that came with an saa713X-based card. I get things like: saa7133[0]/ir: build_key gpio=0x4040d05 mask=0x7c8 data=40. However, I cannot actually get anything to actually do something.
[21:21:42] brad_mssw: tgnb_: make sure you specified the node for test-mpeg2 using the -r flag
[21:21:47] tmccrary: It shows up in /dev/input as event5
[21:21:54] tgnb_: brad ok gotcha
[21:24:27] tgnb_: brad_mssw, :) success
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[21:25:58] tgnb_: test-mpeg2 recorded the channel
[21:25:59] ssstormy: helloo agian! I seem to have fixed the disocnnect problem, but now I face another one
[21:26:05] ssstormy: every time I try to switch channels, it crashes
[21:26:49] ssstormy: I can change the channel I get by changing te default channel
[21:26:53] brad_mssw: tgnb_: goo deal
[21:26:54] ssstormy: but that isn't the most convinient
[21:26:59] brad_mssw: tgnb_: good deal
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[21:27:20] tgnb_: brad_mssw, but i can't seem to get it working in mythtv :(
[21:28:05] brad_mssw: tgnb_: i can't suggest too much other than to 'tinker' with it ... myth can really be a PITA sometimes, but at least you know your hardware and drivers are good
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[21:29:04] tgnb_: brad_mssw, okay thanks anyway, you've been very helpful and patient with me.. i appreciate it
[21:29:05] brad_mssw: tgnb_: i'd recommend chopping down your channel list to known good digital stations, and make sure you set your default channel to use to one of those under mythtv-setup ...
[21:29:19] icanicant: anyone know if DVB-T radio EIT should work in 0.20-fixes?
[21:29:40] tgnb_: brad ok thats a good idea
[21:29:59] brad_mssw: tgnb_: I have an analog hauppauge pvr150 as my first tuner, so who knows, there could be a myth bug if your only tuner is a firewire card ... beats me, I just know that my setup somewhat works
[21:30:41] brad_mssw: tgnb_: you did bind the video sources to your firewire tuner as well, right? so it knows which listings it's supposed to use with the firewire card?
[21:31:49] tgnb_: brad_mssw, yes i did that
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[21:36:16] mk500: hi all
[21:36:50] mk500: anyone know where I can find a list of the "stream handler" options for mythstream?
[21:37:02] mk500: trying to figure out how to make it look at an RSS feed
[21:38:42] Klink: Hey everyone, I just replaced the motherboard on my mythbox...the motherboard is a asus a8n-vm csm/nbp...onboard geforce 6150b. I am using the onboard sound and the internal player. When I play back so hidef content I get no audio and a lot of nvp prebuffer and audio buffer underrun errors...Any ideas?
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[21:48:38] k-man: morning all
[21:49:35] k-man: one of the programs i scheduled to record failed to record, but when i view the program in the progra guide, mythtv says it is "currently recording"
[21:49:51] k-man: is there a bug with scheduling and recording in .20?
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[21:58:40] fryfrog: anyone know of that really long list of HDTV modes?
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[21:58:49] fryfrog: I ran accross it once on the internet, but can't remember what it was called
[21:58:52] fryfrog: modelines that is
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[22:03:53] |Torg|: yes I can give them to you if you want
[22:04:03] |Torg|: did you get the EDID modes?
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[22:31:00] Klink: woohoo...fixed the audio buffer problems...new motherboard is working great!
[22:31:51] madfactor: does knoppmyth by default run mythbackup as a cron job?
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[22:35:13] Sebulba02: madfactor: might want to ask in #knoppmyth
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[22:41:29] ajhtiredwolf: hello, im having problems installing mythtv can anyone help me?
[22:44:11] |Torg|: it would depend greatly on if you said what your problem was
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[22:45:07] ajhtiredwolf: I am running on fedora core 5, i tried following the directions on a few sites ive found but they all require an install from ymu, and when i try that, yum cant find it
[22:45:11] ajhtiredwolf: i tried just getting the rpm from somewhere else
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[22:45:34] ajhtiredwolf: and i get a dependency error that made no sense, it was missing a dependency but the dependency was the file it was trying to install
[22:45:44] |Torg|: thats because the repository is set up for fc4
[22:45:53] |Torg|: id ditch fc, get debian and use it instead
[22:46:07] Paladine: ubu ubu ubu ubu
[22:46:10] ajhtiredwolf: heh
[22:46:15] ajhtiredwolf: well im not really planning on doing that
[22:46:16] Paladine: it is like a native fertility dance
[22:46:21] ajhtiredwolf: getting fedora to work after a very long time
[22:46:30] ajhtiredwolf: im looking to get mythtv to work, IN fedora
[22:46:40] Paladine: but you will get ubuti work in 15 minutes :)
[22:46:48] Paladine: ubu to
[22:46:55] |Torg|: yes getting fedora to work is one of the MANY MANY reasons I say not to use it
[22:47:06] |Torg|: debian takes all of 15 mins, like Paladine said
[22:47:22] ajhtiredwolf: heh, im not going to install a new operating system just so i can use this one program
[22:47:26] Paladine: and if you say ubu over and over again, you will have strong children like me
[22:47:28] |Torg|: your only real recoude is to download it via SVN and compile it
[22:47:54] Paladine: my son is one of the biggest babies in thewhole of the UK :)
[22:48:07] Paladine: and it isall down to the ubu fertility dance
[22:48:18] Paladine: ubu ubu ubu ubu
[22:48:29] Paladine: (grass skirt optional)
[22:48:41] |Torg|: btw Paladine is trying to get you to use ubuntu a debian offshoot
[22:48:51] ajhtiredwolf: i have ubuntu on my lap top
[22:48:57] ajhtiredwolf: it is nothing incredibly special over fedora
[22:49:13] Paladine: you wouldn't see me dead with a redhat distro on my systems
[22:49:42] |Torg|: really now, how long have you been running fedora/redhat?
[22:49:53] Paladine: me?
[22:50:19] ajhtiredwolf: ive had it for... i dont know... around a year
[22:50:24] |Torg|: lets see /var/www, no /var/apache no wait, /var/httpd, no better /usr/local/apache yea yea thats the ticket lets move the rpm all over the damn place
[22:50:43] |Torg|: wait no, lets play with the rc scripts, /etc/rc.d/init.d anyone?
[22:50:45] ajhtiredwolf: look i really dont want to switch operating systems
[22:50:46] ajhtiredwolf: brb
[22:53:47] Beirdo: you guys are just sooo unhelpful
[22:54:02] |Torg|: yea I told him to go get eh SVN and compile it
[22:54:13] Beirdo: OK, THAT was helpful :)
[22:54:13] |Torg|: what was I sposed to do, make a FC5 rpm for him?
[22:54:24] Beirdo: badgering him to use ubuntu... :) not.
[22:54:38] |Torg|: Paladine did that, I just supported him :)
[22:54:39] Beirdo: although it's a worthwhile step to take sometime
[22:55:05] Paladine: Beirdo, you must be a redhat user, your humourfu is lacking
[22:55:17] Paladine: my humourfu is much more powerful than yours
[22:55:33] Beirdo: no, I'm a user who wants newbies who come here to actually get a bit of help, not distro wars
[22:55:41] Beirdo: I use ubuntu primarily
[22:55:46] Anduin: ajhtiredwolf: Use Jarod's guide, add atrpms repo, done.
[22:55:50] Paladine: who said anything about a distro war?
[22:56:05] Paladine: if you took anything I said seriously, you need to remove the spade that is inserted up your ass
[22:57:49] Beirdo: ah, the maturity of the average IRC user.
[22:57:54] |Torg|: besides he asked for help installing mythtv
[22:57:59] Paladine: I go way beyond the average irc user
[22:58:04] |Torg|: not help with getting FC5 to work with mythtv
[22:58:21] madfactor: ne1 know anything about knoppmyth?
[22:58:25] Paladine: I was ircing whilst you were probably still trying to figure out training pants
[22:58:31] |Torg|: you want help installing it, easy first start out with a stable platform!
[22:58:37] Beirdo: Paladine, get a clue.
[22:58:45] Paladine: Beirdo, get a life
[22:58:49] |Torg|: what would you liek to know madfactor I have it, I dont use it as much. But maybe I can help
[22:58:56] Beirdo: heh, true |Torg|, but he said he didn't want to switch distros
[22:59:09] |Torg|: thats when I told him to svn the source code
[22:59:13] Beirdo: yup :)
[22:59:16] madfactor: Do you know if knoppmyth by default runs mythbackup as a cron job?
[22:59:31] Beirdo: the other option would be to download the .tgz files of 0.20 and compile
[22:59:32] |Torg|: not that I know of madfactor you could check the cron tables tho
[22:59:34] Paladine: and I never once told him to use ubuntu
[22:59:43] Paladine: I just did the ubu fertility dance
[22:59:44] Beirdo: or grab the .src.rpm
[22:59:49] Paladine: because egads, I have a sense of humour
[22:59:51] madfactor: torg: remember my box is down. (hehe)
[22:59:57] Paladine: you must work for the Bush administration or something
[23:00:03] |Torg|: actualy I told him to use debain, Paladine jsut did his stupid ubu dance :)
[23:00:15] Beirdo: heh
[23:00:29] Beirdo: OK, STUPID stupid breezy
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[23:00:46] |Torg|: ok madfactor as far as I can remeber it dosnt, I don rember km loading any cron jobs
[23:00:46] Beirdo: something got busted between hoary and breezy that breaks me bot
[23:01:09] Anduin: Switch to fedora.
[23:01:14] Beirdo: HAH
[23:01:17] Beirdo: not bloody likely :)
[23:01:23] Paladine: I use dapper
[23:01:35] |Torg|: Ill switch to fedora when rh can make a dist that is stable for more then 6 months
[23:01:54] Beirdo: FC1 was stable for years
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[23:02:07] ajhtiredwolf: whats wrong with fedora core 5?
[23:02:12] |Torg|: ok lets tank about rpm vs deb?
[23:02:15] Beirdo: nothing that I know if
[23:02:31] madfactor: I know alot of hardcore linux users that use different releases of FC.
[23:02:32] Paladine: I would rather insert white hot knitting needles into my testicles than insert anything redhat have had their mits on
[23:02:38] Anduin: ajhtiredwolf: Nothing, if you use the right guide and get the right repos being used.
[23:02:42] dev: rpm and deb both suck unless the package is compiled with options you want
[23:02:46] Paladine: s/insert/install
[23:02:50] |Torg|: ajtiredwolf: here go to http://wilsonet.com/mythtv/ and set up the atrpms
[23:02:56] |Torg|: then just download the rpm and install it
[23:02:56] Beirdo: Paladine, we know you are crazy, but you don't need to prove it
[23:03:13] Paladine: indeed I am crazy
[23:03:15] dev: if you want some obscure functionality enabled at configure, god help you
[23:03:38] dev: "oh but dev there is src.rpms"
[23:03:43] Paladine: dev, packages suck in general for any distro, the best way to install software is to compile the source
[23:03:53] Beirdo: bah
[23:03:55] dev: ok.. but then whats the fucking point of rpms if you're just useing src?  :)
[23:03:58] dev: Paladine: yo dude
[23:04:00] dev: that patch worked
[23:04:03] dev: my stuff is solid
[23:04:05] Paladine: great man
[23:04:10] |Torg|: well at least a deb is marked as suggested, not lets install everything esp if it breaks you box
[23:04:31] Paladine: you wanna talk about bad packaging check out freebsd ports
[23:04:36] dev: Paladine: agreed, and honest the 1 linux distro that comes closest, is gentoo i hate to say it
[23:04:38] |Torg|: what about alternatives, lets take vi vs vim as an exmaple
[23:05:05] |Torg|: im not talking about how good the stuff in the package is, im talking about the actual rules on making packages
[23:05:05] Paladine: I don't like vim
[23:05:07] dev: gentoo portage can get annoying on a slow box, but at least you can enable what want (like fbsd ports)
[23:05:21] Paladine: fbsd ports suck
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[23:05:31] dev: Paladine: blasphemy! :)
[23:05:40] Paladine: try disabling xorg dependencies in fbsd ports
[23:05:47] Paladine: it is next to impossible for most packages
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[23:06:04] Paladine: I had 4 hours of hell with jdk15 on freebsd ports just yesterday
[23:06:15] |Torg|: ha you think thats hard, try getting Paladine to settle down :P
[23:06:26] dev: you just set X_WINDOWS_SYSTEM in make.conf?
[23:06:29] Paladine: doesn't happen
[23:06:35] Paladine: I am an excitable guy :)
[23:06:51] ** BULLE exites Paladine with 3eV **
[23:06:58] Paladine: dev, it is not possible todisable xorg dependencies in jdk
[23:07:11] Paladine: at least not according to the dozens of threads I read on the issue yesterday
[23:07:12] dev: fbsd native jdK?
[23:07:21] Paladine: sun's jdk
[23:07:33] dev: ive installed that many times on boxes without x
[23:07:35] Paladine: in /usr/ports/java/jdk15
[23:08:07] Paladine: the only compile option you can set is WITHOUT_WEB
[23:08:24] Paladine: and even that install x dependencies
[23:08:29] Paladine: 3GB worth
[23:08:51] |Torg|: oh dev I got the thing to reliably crash, but you were a step off about the themes
[23:08:55] Paladine: also fails to build at around the 4 hour mark on a headless system
[23:09:15] dev: thats got to be native jdk then
[23:09:19] dev: sun jdk doesnt build
[23:09:21] dev: as its not source
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[23:09:35] dev: |Torg|: the themes thing was for your dissapearing menus with opengl painters on, not a crash fix
[23:09:40] Paladine: actually yesit is source, you have to download the source straight from sun's download page
[23:09:49] Paladine: before the port will build
[23:09:52] |Torg|: yes but while that was the fix it wasnt why it was broke
[23:10:02] dev: ohhhhhh sun just made jdk source a month or so ago didnt they?
[23:10:05] |Torg|: I had already installed new thems, when you said so I reinstalled 4 times
[23:10:13] Honk^gone: dev: the source's been there for years
[23:10:15] |Torg|: it was my cache, I had to switch themes then back
[23:10:24] dev: everytime ive installed sun jdk on fbsd it was a .bin
[23:10:26] |Torg|: xraandr will still reliably crash tho
[23:10:34] Honk^gone: it's just a matter of the licence being incompatible with the free-folks :P
[23:10:48] Paladine: dev, go to /usr/ports/java/jdk15 and try doing a make install if you don't believe me :p
[23:11:09] Paladine: you have to download the sourceand binary packages directly from sunand put the in distfiles
[23:11:23] Paladine: then you have to download the series 3 patches from another site and put them in there too
[23:11:28] Paladine: thenit will allow you to build the port
[23:11:31] Honk^gone: arent there both versions of java available? =)
[23:11:32] dev: well when you're compiling from source of course it will need X
[23:11:43] Honk^gone: and.. you can disable X
[23:11:45] dev: i guess its only the linux-sun-jdk* that are bin installs
[23:11:56] Honk^gone: just needs some file-editing-skills :P
[23:12:01] Paladine: dev, you are not listening, there is no option in /usr/ports/java/jdk15 to not build from source
[23:12:03] Paladine: it is required
[23:12:16] dev: right, it is native jdk
[23:12:20] dev: so it is compiling from source
[23:12:28] dev: linux-sun-jdk15 is apparently the only bin install now
[23:12:38] dev: i havent screwend with java on bsd in a year+
[23:12:45] dev: i do all linux now at work
[23:12:59] Paladine: and to piss me off even more, where does freebsd get all the packages for jdk15?
[23:12:59] |Torg|: umm you do know you can get the source to the jdk if you want it, right?
[23:13:06] Paladine: you gotit fc4 rpms
[23:13:09] Paladine: I about shit a brick
[23:13:12] Honk^gone: building java really doesnt take that long though
[23:13:24] minor: hi, I'm having a problem viewing/tunning the inputs from my wintTV-PCI card, I hae 3 tuner cards (avermedia DVB-T USB2 , Compro DVB-T300 , WinTV-PCI) I can view and change between the inputs of both the DVB cards, but not the analog inputs of either cards, any help?
[23:13:48] Paladine: |Torg|, for the software Iwanted to build I had toinstall jdk15
[23:13:55] dev: unfortunately bsd is rarely used by buisness in the private sector :P
[23:13:59] Paladine: I ended up just ditching the whole idea
[23:14:03] dev: compared to linux
[23:14:24] dev: guess its that whole support thing
[23:14:44] dev: the suits feel better if they can point fingers somewhere
[23:15:21] Paladine: so now instead of installing a nice pretty web2.0 webmail suite, I have to stick with trusty old squirrelmail
[23:15:28] Paladine: which Iknow my users will have issues with
[23:15:42] dev: linux-sun-jdk no for?
[23:15:54] dev: id be shocked if you didnt have linux compat turned on anyway ;)
[23:16:38] Paladine: Iwas going toinstall zimbra
[23:16:42] Paladine: but it ain't gonna happen now
[23:17:31] Paladine: if it wasn't for the fact that it would cost $150 Iwould have ubuntu on my server
[23:17:32] Paladine: :p
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[23:17:58] Mattwj2005: hey guys
[23:18:20] minor: hi Mattwj2005
[23:18:33] Mattwj2005: how is everyone tonight?
[23:18:42] Mattwj2005: hi minor :)
[23:18:55] minor: all good , yourself?
[23:19:01] Mattwj2005: not too bad
[23:19:12] Mattwj2005: I am getting some new hardware in the mail this weekend
[23:19:49] minor: nice, what hw?
[23:20:02] Mattwj2005: a pvr-150 with remote :)
[23:20:12] minor: :)
[23:20:13] Paladine: you will like the 150 :)
[23:20:16] Paladine: I love it
[23:20:33] ** Paladine decided to start a new project today **
[23:20:38] Mattwj2005: yeah it will be great having a remote....plus I will like the hardware encoder with pvr-150
[23:20:47] Mattwj2005: what project Paladine?
[23:20:53] Paladine: I am starting a tv show
[23:20:59] Mattwj2005: podcast?
[23:21:00] Paladine: called The Naked Geek
[23:21:13] minor: hehe
[23:21:15] nero: [random celebration time] its official... I just got my PhD! Dissertation is in, all the paperwork is done, and I just got an email that I got the "complete" stamp..
[23:21:21] Paladine: nope hoping to have it added to the Revision3 lineup
[23:21:22] Mattwj2005: female geeks?
[23:21:27] Mattwj2005: :-P
[23:21:34] Paladine: no
[23:21:37] Paladine: technology show
[23:21:41] Paladine: grats Nero
[23:21:45] Paladine: I am just about to start mine
[23:21:48] nero: thanks Paladine :)
[23:21:50] nero: What in?
[23:21:50] minor: conrats nero
[23:21:54] Mattwj2005: oh okay sounds fun
[23:21:55] Paladine: I start my thesis in January
[23:22:18] nero: Paladine, have fun.. ;)
[23:22:23] Paladine: I am studying the relationship between society and technology
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[23:22:27] ** nero is SOOO glad to be done with the writing.. **
[23:22:27] Paladine: and vice versa
[23:22:33] nero: Paladine, very interesting! :)
[23:22:34] Paladine: basically the sociology of the internet
[23:22:38] Mattwj2005: spimds gppd
[23:22:41] Mattwj2005: *sounds good
[23:22:46] minor: Paladine: I hope you look like Jamie Oliver, I'd watch it
[23:22:57] Paladine: I am much hotter than Jamie Oliver :)
[23:22:58] Mattwj2005: you could include something about Wikipedia and Digg....social networks
[23:23:01] Paladine: and I don't have a lisp
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[23:23:26] minor: heh
[23:23:28] nero: Paladine- how long you been working on the research?
[23:23:33] Paladine: matt, i will be covering social networking, crime, digital divide and all sort of other interesting things
[23:23:41] Paladine: including rm and the intellectual property debate
[23:23:47] Paladine: drm even
[23:24:04] Paladine: nero, well I have been working on it for about 8 years or so now
[23:24:09] |Torg|: so whats you oppinon of drm and business?
[23:24:19] Paladine: I published a paper in 1996 called Issues of Pedophilia on the Internet
[23:24:21] Mattwj2005: drm is bad
[23:24:32] nero: Paladine, well at least the light at the end of the tunnel is appearing, right? ;)
[23:24:38] Paladine: yup
[23:24:46] Paladine: my thesis is going to be in theform of a book
[23:24:51] Mattwj2005: companies should in bed watermarks instead
[23:25:11] nero: mine took 5 years of research and a year of reading.. the end feels GREAT..
[23:25:21] nero: cant imagine what it would feel like after 8 years :eek:
[23:26:03] Paladine: I've been involved in a lot of research
[23:26:26] Paladine: what did you do your phd on?
[23:27:06] Mattwj2005: man you guys are smart.....I only got my BS
[23:27:10] nero: it is civil engineering, seismic risk assessment of complex structural systems.
[23:27:29] Paladine: sweet i watched a show on that recently
[23:27:44] nero: the one on the Science channel that has been on?
[23:28:00] Paladine: about how they tie all the different parts of the structure together to make them all move at once during a quake giving the buildings elasticity
[23:28:14] nero: (that ends with the full scale test at the USC shake table?)
[23:28:35] Paladine: I can't remember where I saw the show, I jump around more on tv than I do on irc
[23:28:37] Paladine: which is saying a lot
[23:28:51] nero: I was working on a bit different type of research. Looking at average behavior, and predicting risk of a new structural system called a SC-MRF (self centering moment resisting frame)
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[23:29:25] nero: so lots of FEM based monte carlo simulation, etc..
[23:29:38] Paladine: that the technology they are looking into for these super structures planned (ike the huge Pyramid city they are planing to make in Hong Kong I think it was?)
[23:30:22] nero: Paladine, not quite.. this is a more.. shall I say, down to earth technology.. ;) Most of the super structures they are planning use an active damping system which is overkill/more risky for smaller structures..
[23:30:35] Paladine: ahright
[23:30:51] Paladine: Iam very fascinated by civil engineering, I plan to build my own house one day :)
[23:30:57] nero: this is a passive, post-tensioned system that allows the building to undergo damage during a quake, but that damage is in areas that aren't vital to the structure's capacity.
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[23:31:53] Paladine: so your supervisor signedoff on your dissertation now then?
[23:32:15] nero: yeah, that happened a week and a half ago.. today I finally got the bound copies, and got them turned in, and got the dean's approval..
[23:32:31] nero: i.e., the final, official word..
[23:32:38] Paladine: sweet, you will have to point me to an online version if it happens so I can have a read
[23:32:47] nero: sure..
[23:32:59] J-e-f-f-A: Mattwj2005: They're both smarter than me... no degree here... And I'm 38 now...
[23:33:14] Paladine: everyone is smart
[23:33:20] Paladine: just people are smart in different areas
[23:33:32] J-e-f-f-A: Mattwj2005: But I've got a high-tech, high-paying job.... Just can't go anywhere else 'cause I don't look like much on paper...
[23:33:32] Mattwj2005: degrees are not everything.....but geez two Ph'Ds
[23:33:45] Mattwj2005: oh okay
[23:33:53] Mattwj2005: yeah I got a high tech job as well
[23:34:01] nero: J-e-f-f-A, I am smart in one VERY specific area now.. but ask me to do something like, say troubleshoot a WinXP box, and I'll look at you with a dumb, blank stare..
[23:35:07] J-e-f-f-A: nero: I'm higly technical, and have been working with Tandem computers for 18 years now... But I've kept up on the PC world and networking too, but nothing 'physically' on paper to show for it...
[23:35:30] Mattwj2005: we talk about this at work all the time....
[23:35:45] nero: J-e-f-f-A, and thats fine.. afterall what is a PhD?? Piled Higher and Deeper.. ;) You can be BRILLIANT and have no paper to show for it..
[23:35:48] Mattwj2005: in the old days.....people didn't need degrees that is the cause of this recently
[23:35:54] minor: heh, well can some of you smart people out there help out with my input selection issue?
[23:35:56] minor: :D
[23:36:00] nero: I guess the paper just makes it easier to get your foot in the door.. but if you know your stuff.. no matter..
[23:36:02] J-e-f-f-A: Mattwj2005: Yep... ;-)
[23:36:07] J-e-f-f-A: minor: What's the issue?
[23:36:16] minor: hi, I'm having a problem viewing/tunning the inputs from my wintTV-PCI card, I hae 3 tuner cards (avermedia DVB-T USB2 , Compro DVB-T300 , WinTV-PCI) I can view and change between the inputs of both the DVB cards, but not the analog inputs of either cards, any help?
[23:36:41] Mattwj2005: it is all the new business part of the IT job
[23:36:43] minor: the compro T300 has DVB and analog
[23:36:52] J-e-f-f-A: nero: yeah, but in this world of 'electronic selection' (ie monster.com or other job sites out here), you don't even get the foot in the door if you don't have the required degree...
[23:37:46] nero: J-e-f-f-A, yeah, that can be a hurdle.. though if you can network enough, that can sometimes side step it..
[23:38:35] J-e-f-f-A: minor: I don't know how much I can help you, but I'll try... I'm not sure that feature is available yet (although it may be in .20) — that is to have two different sources on one (tuner) card.
[23:38:37] Mattwj2005: companies should take experience over degree any day
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[23:40:03] minor: J-e-f-f-A: well, in mythtv-steup the analog inputs are detected as v4l cards (the Wintv-PCI is only analog)
[23:40:05] J-e-f-f-A: minor: If it is working/supported yet, then you should just have to set the different sources for the tuner cards. Then use "Y" to switch tuner cards, and "C" to switch inputs.
[23:40:44] J-e-f-f-A: minor: Yeah, my HD3000 is detected as both an 'analog' and 'digital' card, but I only use it as digital.
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[23:41:15] minor: J-e-f-f-A: yes i tried that, it doesn't work, it gives me an error thst the tuner card is already being used/recorded from, when it is not
[23:41:25] J-e-f-f-A: minor: I'm looking at the .20 docs to see if it's the version that has 'multiple sources for one tuner' support, or if I saw that in a 'wishlist'...
[23:41:42] minor: J-e-f-f-A: thank you
[23:41:43] J-e-f-f-A: minor: Does it work with mplayer?
[23:42:02] minor: J-e-f-f-A: yes all the inputs work with mplayer
[23:42:16] minor: J-e-f-f-A: hence i know it's a mythTV issue
[23:43:36] J-e-f-f-A: minor: Permissions on /dev/video? are ok too?
[23:44:08] minor: J-e-f-f-A: err... good point, one momment
[23:45:03] Mattwj2005: anyone ever use the pvr-150 remote?
[23:45:59] minor: J-e-f-f-A: heh, my brother is using the PC now, I'll check and report back later, thanks J-e-f-f-A
[23:46:45] J-e-f-f-A: minor: ok np. I've got to step out and get the lawnmower running anyways... Back in a few...
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