Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Monday, September 18th, 2006, 00:02 UTC

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Paladine:

yay I got my error

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WAR_CH|LD:

what does "LFR" stand for?

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Paladine:

its the subwoofer afaink

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Paladine:

afaik

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xris:

wow, these new h.264 encode options are slow... heh.

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asd26:

new mythtv is broken

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asd26:

if one goes foward 10 seconds in realtime, it says it's 1 hour foward

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asd26:

making a 1 hour recording unwatchable, since it only allows watching the first minute which it seems to think it's an hour

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GreyFoxx:

try rebuilding your seektable ?

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asd26:

mabe i'll just install the old one, seemed to work fine, the only issue it crashed on the client, but everything else worked fine

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GreyFoxx:

*shrug*

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WAR_CH|LD:

asd26 you talking csv mythtv?

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asd26:

the new iso

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GreyFoxx:

Myth doesn't put out iso's

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Zider:

...iso?

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WAR_CH|LD:

oh, right

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WAR_CH|LD:

sorry

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asd26:

r5d1

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WAR_CH|LD:

ignroe me

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GreyFoxx:

KnoppMyth != Myth. IT's just a distro thathas myth preinstalled :)

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asd26:

ops

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Paladine:

pretty clever trick by knoppix to increase their distro userbase though

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GreyFoxx:

I don't believe it was does by the knoppix makers

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GreyFoxx:

just some users that used knoppix to build it on. And they don't use knoppix any more but the name is still knopp myth

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asd26:

i think my ex is married to someone

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Netslayer:

where can i get ubuntu .20 builds?

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Paladine:

svn

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Paladine:

there is not an "ubuntu .20" build

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Paladine:

you have to build from source

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Paladine:

with svn checkout

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brianko:

has viewable ff above 3x always been disabled? Seem to recall that 0.18 allowed you to ff at higher speeds and still be able to watch the frames (at high speed)...

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a1fa|64:

knoppix is one big torjan

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GreyFoxx:

Paladine: Well,he can download the 0.20 source aswell :) but I'd be suprised if there wasn't packages already

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Paladine:

I wasn't able to find one

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Sebulba02:

There are .20 tarballs on the mythtv website..

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ShockValue:

ok, working through my installation, and im pretty close, but havin soem trouble with sound

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ShockValue:

in the setup, its asking for the "mixer" device, but /dev/mixer (what im used to) doesnt exist...

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GreyFoxx:

What do you have for the output device?

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ShockValue:

currently /dev/snd/controlC0 (i read this is what i want for i810, but not sure)

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ShockValue:

its an onboard sound from i810 motherboard

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GreyFoxx:

If you are using alsa you can just use "ALSA:default" for the output device and "default" for themixer

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ShockValue:

ah awesome, let me try that

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ShockValue:

and VOILLA! thanks Grey

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Zider:

viola :D

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ShockValue:

err, yeah

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ShockValue:

forgot my italian in all my sound-induced-excitement

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ShockValue:

err french? whatever

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GreyFoxx:

Actually I think it's Voila

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GreyFoxx:

a viola is a violin or something like that :)

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ShockValue:

2 words, translated to "it's there"

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ShockValue:

or "there it is"

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brianko:

so any ideas on the FF? can the images be viewed at high speed in 0.20?

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ShockValue:

now if i can just figure out why the mythbackend init script barfs and doesnt run mythbackend, but running "mythbackend" from CLI works fine

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Netslayer:

where can i get 20 ubuntu debs?

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GreyFoxx:

brianko: Well you can increase playback speed if that's what you mean

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brianko:

above 3x, the image just freezes...i seem to remember you could watch the sped-up frames in 0.18

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brianko:

FF still works, you just have to guess where to stop!

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GreyFoxx:

I don'tbelieve timeadjust will go beyond 2

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Sebulba02:

isn't there an option to not make it continuous?

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brianko:

Netslayer: The 0.20 source tarball builds and installs perfectly under ubuntu

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brianko:

Sebulba: Didn't see anything in the setup menu, but will look again if you think it's there

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Anduin:

brianko: how are you doing output?

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brianko:

X-out

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GreyFoxx:

Sebulba02: Yeah , called "Sticky keys" or something

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Sebulba02:

GreyFoxx: yeah

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brianko:

Andin: X out using a PVR-350, specifically

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Anduin:

brianko: And you are not using the 350 decoder?

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Netslayer:

brianko, you mean build from scratch? i'm actually in the process from gentoo -> ubuntu for myth and would prefer native binaries :-P

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brianko:

yes, using the -350 decoder and sending the X output direct to the TV

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Leebier:

so i've got my mythbox nearly entirely re-set up. however, when i try to watch live tv, i just get a black screen (output to TV on PVR-350) and the computer freezes up so hard that even a ssh session is frozen

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Leebier:

any ideas?

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brianko:

Leebier: That was a bitch, getting the -350 to output to TV! I ended up working my way through several module dependencies until I found the right combination

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Leebier:

well, i've done it twice before w/out this problem

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Leebier:

and everything BUT TV (haven't recorded yet to know if it's just live tv) works fine, X runs on it, and myth's menus do as well

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brianko:

so this is an update, not a new install?

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Leebier:

started fresh

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Leebier:

as i was running .18 on FC3

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Aid`:

I got a question... how come my recordings are crappy quality now? I had mythtv setup and they were crystal clear and smooth, but now their clear but not smooth. What I did was i reinstalled debian because i messed up an install and ever since i started 'fresh' it hasn't been the same

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brianko:

have you tried video out from the command line?

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Leebier:

yeah, though not to the TV

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brianko:

http://ivtv.writeme.ch/tiki-index.php?page=TvOutHowto

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Leebier:

that was going to be my next step. i outputted to the monitor (with the commandline) before i put things over to the tv

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Leebier:

hrmm

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Leebier:

it seems to be the capturing that's borking everything, not hte output

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Leebier:

because 'cat /dev/video0 > /tmp/test_capture.mpg' is doing the same thing

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Leebier:

this was not happening earlier in the setup

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brianko:

strange...

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ShockValue:

(kinda OT), whats the easiest way to go from DVD -> ISO?

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Leebier:

quite

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Leebier:

any ideas? anyone else home?

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Zider:

ShockValue: dd

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Zider:

:P

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Zider:

doesn't decrypt tho :D

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Anduin:

Leebier: The list of people continuing to use the 350 for output is ever shrinking.

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Leebier:

be that as it may

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Leebier:

it worked before

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Leebier:

and i don't have another option at the moment

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Leebier:

and what ARE people using to output to TV?

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Anduin:

Leebier: decoder firmware loaded fine?

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Anduin:

Leebier: A cheap (or not so) nVidia card is the most popular.

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Leebier:

i captured and replayed video from the command line just a few days ago

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Leebier:

ah, i may rebuild the box once i start my new job (want to go to a micro case), and will keep that in mind

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Leebier:

wouldn't be too sad to see the 350 go :)

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Anduin:

I still have a 350, it captures just as good as my 250

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Leebier:

well, for output at least

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Leebier:

nonetheless

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Leebier:

it's the capture that's screwing it up right now anyway

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brianko:

still have remote capabilities with the nVidia cards?

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Anduin:

brianko: You can still use the x50 remote with the x50 cards

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brianko:

well, i guess when support for the -350 goes away I'll have no choice but to change over!

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Leebier:

yeah, my output is working fine

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Leebier:

it's the capturing that's freezing the system

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Anduin:

brianko: Or just don't use the decoder, the X fb driver support is maintained not in myth

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Leebier:

actually, lemme try shutting down the system fully instead of rebooting, the IR is acting funny too, all in the time following a power outage

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brianko:

Leebier: That was part of my problem when setting up the -350, reboots weren't clearing registers. Forgot about that.

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Leebier:

i had this happen last time too, had also forgotten about it:)

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Leebier:

well, not this exactly, but a situation where that would be relevant

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Leebier:

does not seem to have done the trick :(

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jason__:

Does anyone know how to switch groups when selecting a recording to watch

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jason__:

I can only see recordings that i have selected, not livetv

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jason__:

how do i swap over to that

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Anduin:

jason__: hit m

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jason__:

ok

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burnhamd_:

would a p3 800mhz processor be able to run a front end for myth tv

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burnhamd_:

i plan to use a my amd64 3200+ and 1gig as the computer that does the decoding and what not

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jason__:

thank you sir

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GreyFoxx:

burnhamd_: the decoding happens on the frontends

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burnhamd_:

the p3 also has integrated graphis sis i think

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burnhamd_:

oh

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burnhamd_:

then can i not use it as the front end?

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GreyFoxx:

and yes, your p3 800 should be an ok frontend as long as you aren't planning to do HDTV :)

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burnhamd_:

i am

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GreyFoxx:

Then no

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GreyFoxx:

the P3 would be fine to record it

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k-man:

anyone here done the upgrade to .20 with the marillat .debs?

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GreyFoxx:

but not enough to play it

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GreyFoxx:

burnhamd_: flip your machines around. make the amd64 the playback machine

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burnhamd_:

i didnt want to keep it in the closet since i use it to do other things

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burnhamd_:

i guess ill just build another

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burnhamd_:

bummer :)

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Leebier:

given that both the capture and my remote have gone wacky at about the same time, might the problem be in my modprobe.conf?

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burnhamd_:

any suggestions on what i should put in the closet

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ShockValue:

wow, my little frontend cant even come close to using the opengl paint method

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ShockValue:

takes like 2 miuntes to switch menus

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burnhamd_:

can mythtv recieve streams from itunes

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Dagmar:

ShockValue: No accellerated GL?

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ShockValue:

not sure, its just an integrated i810 chipset... it says Direct Rendering:yes but not sure what else it would take

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Dagmar:

Oh

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ShockValue:

it plays DVDs just dandy though

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Dagmar:

That means "Not really accellerated"

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Dagmar:

i810 is basically "WinGL" all over again

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Dagmar:

All the GL is handled in the CPU by the driver, not by the chip like on a "real" gaming card.

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ShockValue:

yeah, probably not gonna work then.. its ok, QT is good enough for this little bedroom box

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Dagmar:

You would think after the WinModem and so forth fiascos that companies would quit trying to bullshit around like that

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ShockValue:

i havent tried playing any recorded programs yet.. im worried it wont be able to hack it

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burnhamd_:

i need to set up the vod stuff with vlc

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ShockValue:

k3b

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ShockValue:

oops

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ShockValue:

is there an easy CLI way to do dvd->iso without installing a bunch of software?

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radi0head:

ShockValue; You have the dvd filesystem?

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ShockValue:

not sure what that is

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fiveiron:

can someone walk me through setting up sound? i have everything set up how I think its supposed to be, but i'm not getting anything

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hd420:

how do i define "channel sources" with the svn version of myth?

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fiveiron:

my analog tuner's sound ouput is piped into the aux input of my soundcard

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radi0head:

ShockValue; The dvd filesystem, VIDEO_TS AUDIO_TS etc.

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fiveiron:

so I have aux set to record

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fiveiron:

and PCM is unmuted and turned up

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ShockValue:

yeah

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radi0head:

ShockValue; mkisofs -dvd-video -udf -o dvd.iso your_dvd_directory

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ShockValue:

oh i see, cool

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hd420:

how do i define "channel sources" with the svn version of myth?

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** Paladine takes note of that command from radi0head :) thanks man will come in useful burning my New Yankee Workshop espisodes **

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radi0head:

ShockValue; The dvd dir must contain the VIDEO_TS and AUDIO_TS directories and dvd compliant files. And if you want to burn the iso just do this: growisofs -Z /dev/your_burners_name=dvd.iso

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Dagmar:

Won't do you any good unless you actually set up the files properly

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radi0head:

Paladine; :) np.

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Dagmar:

Once you've set the files up properly, a video DVD can be burned with pretty much antyhing

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Paladine:

what can I use in linux to convert my mpeg2 files to vobs?

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ShockValue:

i dont want to burn a dvd. i want to rip the iso of a dvd to a file on the harddrive

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Dagmar:

You can try Google.

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Paladine:

google won't make vobs ;p

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Dagmar:

dd will do that *if the DVD isn't encrypted*

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Dagmar:

Paladine: No, but Google will tell you how

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opello:

dvdauthor is friendly

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Paladine:

is there a dvdauthor plugin for myth?

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Dagmar:

dd if=/dev/hdc of=discimage.iso actually is all that one needs if the disc is clean and unencrypted

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Dagmar:

If the disc is encrypted, then this channel can't help

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ShockValue:

lemme give that a whirl

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radi0head:

If you have compliant mpeg2 files (DVD) you can use dvdauthor to create a dvd filesystem like this: mkdir dvd && mv movie.mpg VTS_01_1.VOB && dvdauthor -o dvd/ VTS_01_1.VOB && dvdauthor -o dvd/ -T and then burn it or make a iso like I told you to.

[01:45:12]

hd420:

how do i define "channel sources" with the svn version of myth?

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ShockValue:

radi0head: doesnt that burn a DVD?

[01:45:43]

radi0head:

no

[01:46:04]

radi0head:

ShockValue; It creates a dvd filesystem with the .mpg

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Paladine:

radi0head, I presume mpeg2 files at 720x526 are dvd compliant?

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fiveiron:

i've installed all the plugins... but where are they in the frontend?

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radi0head:

Paladine; Depends. But most of the time yes.

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radi0head:

Paladine; You could use the tovid suite to check that, it comes with a script called idvid. ie: idvid -fast myfile.mpg

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radi0head:

ShockValue; You can also put multiple files if you want.

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Paladine:

I will have to check all this out :)

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Dagmar:

hd420: The same way you do in the released versions. With mythtv-setup

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radi0head:

Paladine; tovid is awesome. You can create animated dvd menus with animated thumbs!

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radi0head:

Paladine; With the script called todisc

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radi0head:

Paladine; btw, mpeg2 files at 720x526 are usually in PAL format.

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Paladine:

no official ubuntu package for tovid, I guess I will have to build it sometime next week :)

[01:49:34]

Paladine:

yeah I am in the UK so PAL is our format

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radi0head:

Paladine; tovid requires a couple of deps, but it's worth it!

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fiveiron:

my analog tuner's sound ouput is piped into the aux input of my soundcard

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fiveiron:

and PCM is unmuted and turned up

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Paladine:

would be cool to archive all my New Yankee Workshop to dvdr

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fiveiron:

but i'm not getting any sound

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radi0head:

Paladine; http://tovid.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page I am the slackware package maintainer of this project. I think there's a debian package too.

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hd420:

Dagmar: ok... here goes

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human39:

any docs/pod for the perl bindings yet?

[01:52:23]

Dagmar:

Perl bindings for what?

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fiveiron:

do i have to configure the plugins somewhere to have them show up in mythtv?

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radi0head:

Paladine; If you want to rip dual layer dvds to 4.7gb dvds, like dvdshrink under windows, you could use qvamps k9copy or xdvdshrink, you can also use dvdshrink under wine, it runs perfectly.

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human39:

mythtv.

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Paladine:

I don't rip dvds unless I need to to watch them under linux

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radi0head:

Paladine; Why ripping them to watch them under linux?

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TheAsp:

Anyone using superm1's build for Dapper seeing 100% cpu while recording?

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TheAsp:

or am i alone?

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Paladine:

cos of this stupid new copy protection sony use

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radi0head:

Paladine; wtf

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Paladine:

sec Iwill find you the details

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hd420:

Dagmar: ok... it's saying i need to run mythfilldatabase first, but when I run that, it says that i don't have channels defined

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radi0head:

Paladine; http://tovid.wikia.com/wiki/Installing_tovid/Ubuntu

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Dagmar:

hd420: because you didnt' run mythtv-setup

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fiveiron:

do i have to configure the plugins somewhere to have them show up in mythtv?

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Dagmar:

hd420: Put down the bong and read http://www.mythtv.org/modules.php?name=MythInstall

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Paladine:

radi0head, http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=256331

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radi0head:

You're in UK?

[01:58:05]

Paladine:

yeah

[01:58:26]

Paladine:

ARccOS

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TheAsp:

Grr. Mythbackend is using 100% cpu while in 0.19 it was using ~25%. Is there a known issue, or did i mess something up?

[01:59:26]

Paladine:

radi0head, Beamerboy is me

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Paladine:

in that thread

[02:00:07]

radi0head:

brb

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fiveiron:

does anyone use an ATI tv wonder?

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TheAsp:

fiveiron: yup

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fiveiron:

do you have the output of the card piped into the aux of your soundcard?

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TheAsp:

fiveiron: currently, yes, as the driver is broken in more recent kernels

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TheAsp:

not sure if it's fixed in 2.6.17

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burnhamd_:

anyone here use a mac mini

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J-e-f-f-A:

Paladine: Hey, just sent you a reply on 'paladine'...

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fiveiron:

TheAsp, so how do you have your mixer configged? mine is: Aux – > record, unmuted , capture -> record, unmuted, PCM, unmuted, volume at like 75%, and I'm getting nothing

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TheAsp:

fiveiron: depends on your card

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TheAsp:

fiveiron: and if you are using alsa or oss

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fiveiron:

i'm using alsa, on an Ensoniq Audio PCI

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TheAsp:

if you unmute the output of your line in, you should hear the sound it should be recording

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TheAsp:

if not, you have other problems

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TheAsp:

then just set it to record on that line

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TheAsp:

and mute the output of it

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fiveiron:

holy crap

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fiveiron:

there it is

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fiveiron:

dude you rock

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TheAsp:

you may need to adjust both the input volume and the record volume

[02:05:54]

TheAsp:

yes, i know

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TheAsp:

:)

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fiveiron:

that doesn't make sense tho

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fiveiron:

does mythtv use software to send the processed sound to the line input or something?

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TheAsp:

?

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TheAsp:

no, the capture card sends sound to your soundcard at all times

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TheAsp:

myth then captures it and encodes it

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fiveiron:

yeah

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darkdrgn2k:

any one here run dvb-s?

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Paladine:

J-e-f-f-A, for the cost, itdoesn't really make any difference mate, it was the only 1k ohm resistor Icouldfindon theirsite andit is onlylike $0.22 or something daft like that

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J-e-f-f-A:

Paladine: That's kewl. ;-)

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Paladine:

the diode, resistor and LED come in at less than 1GBP

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fiveiron:

TheAsp, ok, next q: it appears I'm hearing live sound and not the encoded sound because it is severely lagging behind the video....

[02:09:21]

Paladine:

1.14 including sales tax

[02:09:28]

Paladine:

so about 2 bucks

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J-e-f-f-A:

Paladine: You'll probably pay more for shipping than the parts, eh?

[02:10:41]

Paladine:

probably

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Paladine:

in fact themost expensive part of building the blaster will be the soldering iron hehehe

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TheAsp:

fiveiron: thats because you have the output of linein turned on

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TheAsp:

fiveiron: you want only the input of it

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fiveiron:

ooooooh

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darkdrgn2k:

where can i find SASC

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Paladine:

I have a full bag of RJ45 sleeves, so i am gonna just mount the LED in one ofthose and secure it with silicon sealant

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Paladine:

whats the range like on the LD271?

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ShockValue:

if my frontend can play a DVD ok, i assume it will do OK with SD tv as well?

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fiveiron:

TheAsp, uhh... no outputs other than the Master one are on, and when I turn it off I get no sound at all

[02:14:32]

TheAsp:

ok

[02:14:35]

TheAsp:

what about recording?

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TheAsp:

you need pcm on too

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TheAsp:

pcm output

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fiveiron:

ok: in recording i've got Line: unmuted, aux: unmuted, recording, and capture: recording

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fiveiron:

but the only thing that affects the sound is the line

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fiveiron:

i'm assuming thats because I dont have the correct thing unmuted for the encoded sound

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fiveiron:

and Line is just muting/unmuting Live sound

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TheAsp:

fiveiron: can you turn either of those up?

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fiveiron:

either of what?

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fiveiron:

aux and capture are both maxed

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TheAsp:

either the line in on the record and capture on record

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fiveiron:

line is turned up... but when i unmute it, I'm getting the live sound thats way ahead of the picture

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TheAsp:

yes, i know this.

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TheAsp:

fiddle with it i guess, if you are getting sound when you turn on the output, its mostly working. maybe you have myth looking at the wrong device?

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fiveiron:

i was just gonna check the setup... make sure that was all kosher

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fiveiron:

TheAsp, I should have "Use Internal Mixer" unchecked, right?

[02:27:50]

fiveiron:

err, "use internal volume controls"

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Paladine:

J-e-f-f-A, 11.65 GBP for diode/resistor/led/soldering iron and solder including shipping :)

[02:32:19]

J-e-f-f-A:

Paladine: Check out the pics I just took of my home-brew blaster 'eyes'... Shrink-wrapped and all, with a tiny green 'transmitting' led.. (but a bit more complex than the simple one)... http://jartz.homeip.net:8080/files/my_ir_blasters.jpg [gee things don't look that dusty in real-life...]

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Paladine:

that a transmitter and receiver? or just transmitter?

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J-e-f-f-A:

Paladine: It's just a transmitter 'eye' — there's an IR led, a tiny green LED and a resistor under that shrink-wrap. I filed the end of the IR led to make it close-range only — it has to be within about 3" of the device to work. Perfect for what I need...

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Paladine:

whats the LED facing away from the DVB? is that just to tell you it is active?

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J-e-f-f-A:

Paladine: Yes.

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Paladine:

sweet

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Paladine:

whats the range like on the LD271?

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Paladine:

about 1M?

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J-e-f-f-A:

Paladine: It depends on how bright you drive it — But according to lirc.org, it's approx 1m with a 1k resistor (dependent on the receiving device's sensitivity)

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Paladine:

I am guessing I will have to use irrecord to record all the buttons from my stb remote for the blaster to mimic?

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J-e-f-f-A:

Paladine: Unless it's already been setup, yes. Have you checked the remote list to see if it's in there already?

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Paladine:

on lirc.org?

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J-e-f-f-A:

Paladine: Yeah... I'll find the exact link... one sec...

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Paladine:

thanks

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J-e-f-f-A:

Paladine: http://lirc.sourceforge.net/remotes/

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Paladine:

they have "Sky Navigator" there I will have to try it out

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Paladine:

not sure if mine is the "Navigator"

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Paladine:

but I am pretty sure all the sky remotes are the same

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J-e-f-f-A:

Paladine: If you have an IR receiver, you could 'test' the file with your remote... If it receives fine, then it will transmit fine... (usually!)

[02:45:47]

Paladine:

yeah I will test it with my MCE receiver tomorrow

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Paladine:

I need to fix lirc first

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Paladine:

I presume Ijust replace /etc/lircd.conf with that remote file

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J-e-f-f-A:

Paladine: The MCE receiver will only work with it if it's an RC5 (iirc) format remote... (I think most are nowadays...)

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Paladine:

I have t try and figure out what the hell blew a clients machine tomorrow as well

[02:47:27]

Paladine:

all new parts apart from the drives, but it blew as soon as I powered it up

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J-e-f-f-A:

Paladine: Ouch. Even the Power Supply is new?

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Paladine:

yup

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Paladine:

new psu/mobo/cpu/heatsink/fan/RAM

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Paladine:

I think the mobo was faulty

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scott_:

hi ^_^

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Paladine:

will have to send it all back tomorrow which means a week delay for the client

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Paladine:

so she will be pi$$ed

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J-e-f-f-A:

Paladine: What brand MB?

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Paladine:

some cheap nasty cpu/hs/fan/mobo combo

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Paladine:

EliteGroup

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Paladine:

755-A2

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darkdrgn2k:

does mythtv support dfb

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darkdrgn2k:

dvb

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Paladine:

I wish I had never taken the job

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Paladine:

its been nothing but a PITA

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scott_:

darkdrgn2k: yes, ./configure --enable-dvb

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Paladine:

she gave me a box that hadn't been booted for 2 years and was 6 years old

[02:50:41]

Paladine:

wanted the whole thing upgrading for 100 GBP budget

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darkdrgn2k:

scott_: i know in .17 you had to patch with sasc, is this still required in .19

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Paladine:

got it to my workshop and discovered the PSU had blown taking out the mobo and cpu

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J-e-f-f-A:

Paladine: ROTFL!

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Paladine:

so had to replace mobo/cpu/ram and PSU

[02:51:26]

J-e-f-f-A:

Paladine: (about the 100gbp comment, not about the issues...)

[02:51:38]

Paladine:

told her it was impossible on her budget so she upped her budget to 150

[02:51:38]

Paladine:

I managed to get the parts for 90

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Paladine:

but they are cheap parts

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scott_:

darkdrgn2k: I don't believe so, you just need to point to the frontend.h file usually in /usr/include or whatever, no special patching needed

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J-e-f-f-A:

Paladine: Wow, a whole 10gbp profit...

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Paladine:

so by time I finish sending them back, getting the replacements and rebuilding it for a third time

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Paladine:

I would have spent about 10 hourson it

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Paladine:

so i end up making bugger all

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J-e-f-f-A:

Paladine: Power it up without the drives first! And maybe test the drives in an old 486 or something first... Just to make sure they spin up and aren't shorted out...

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Paladine:

thats what I did last time

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Paladine:

first thing I was greeted with when I powered up was the yummy smell of burning circuits

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Paladine:

I suspect they didn't fit the HS to the socket properly and the CPU burnt out as soon as it got power

[02:54:42]

Paladine:

I have built about 700ish machines in my career and I have never had one blow on me before

[02:54:49]

Paladine:

thats what you get with cheap partswI guess

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J-e-f-f-A:

Paladine: Humm... Do you remember the days when cpu's didn't need heatsinks & fans? (I do!)

[02:55:21]

Paladine:

yeah I do

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Paladine:

been building systems for about 12 years now

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J-e-f-f-A:

Paladine: My A500 didn't have a heatsink! (Of course, it only ran at 7mhz though!)

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Paladine:

back to the days of 286/386 machines

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Paladine:

there wasn't enough room in the a500 for a hs lol

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scott_:

7mhz lol that's so slow

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J-e-f-f-A:

scott_: Yea, but in it's day (1990), it was fast... and with the gfx chip running at 28mhz (which did a majority of the gfx animation, etc), it kicked booty! ;-)

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Paladine:

scott, those 7Mhz were cutting edge tech

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scott_:

you guys are crazy

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Dagmar:

Spoiled.

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Dagmar:

They didn't measure in megahertz when I started

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scott_:

I want high definition video, multiple transcoding jobs and countless other things

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Paladine:

Dagmar, same here, back in the days of the BBC Micro

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Paladine:

but I wasn't building back then

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Paladine:

I was just coding

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Dagmar:

Back in "the day" we could count 88 clock cycles per raster line and we were glad to have them

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J-e-f-f-A:

scott_: I remember going to an Amiga show in NYC in 1991, and they had a 5 min clip of "Terminator" running on an Amiga using the built-in 4096 color HAM mode — at 30fps – on a 25mhz machine... ;-)

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Dagmar:

J-e-f-f-A: Which took several minutes and as many floppies to load up. :)

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J-e-f-f-A:

Dagmar: Actually, it was on a HDD... 40MB iirc... ;-)

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Dagmar:

Ooooo rich kids

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Paladine:

floppies didn't exist when I started

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Dagmar:

Those Lt. Kernel drives cost mint

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Paladine:

was all tapes

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Dagmar:

Oh they existed, you just didn't see them outside of a lab

[03:01:15]

Dagmar:

8" floppies have actually been around for a long while

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Paladine:

Iremember when my friend got a 5.25 floppy for his BBC we were so envious of his riches

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Dagmar:

They just weren't considered reliable enough for serious work

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J-e-f-f-A:

Dagmar: It was a company demoing the incredible gfx capabilities of the amiga back then... Paladine – Me too. I had a TS-1000 at home...

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Dagmar:

...which is probably an honest assessment of 8" floppies if ever there was one

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Paladine:

Dagmar, my first sysv installation came on 8" floppies lol

[03:03:27]

J-e-f-f-A:

Alright guys... Gotta hit the sack... ttyl... ;-)

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Paladine:

night dude

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Paladine:

I should have my blaster built by friday

[03:03:54]

J-e-f-f-A:

Paladine: How soon will you get your parts?

[03:04:07]

Paladine:

parts shouldbe heare by wednesday/thursday

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J-e-f-f-A:

k' ttyl... night all..

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Paladine:

nite

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findme:

can I view tv from my pvr250 card without mythtv? Plain old ivtv drivers and mplayer?

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Honk^away:

why not? =)

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findme:

Honk^away, ok thanks struggling with pvr250 and dish, it is just snow nothing else is showing up on the screen.

[03:12:15]

Honk^away:

snow is pretty nice too =)

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findme:

ha ha :-)

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Cuddles_in_K1:

folks, i've been fighting this all day, and i can't find an answer that works anywhere...

[03:14:29]

findme:

anyone know where i can get Frequencies.pm

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Cuddles_in_K1:

i've set up mythtv on a debian system, but when i try to launch the backend, i get "session management error: authentication rejected, reason: none of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed."

[03:15:08]

Cuddles_in_K1:

does anyone know how to fix this?

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RandomDude15:

hey i just compiled mythtv and when i try to open it i get this error

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RandomDude15:

mythfrontend: error while loading shared libraries: libmythtv-0.20.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory

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Cuddles_in_K1:

please help, i'm desperate.

[03:18:15]

RandomDude15:

anyone?

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RandomDude15:

?

[03:19:02]

Cuddles_in_K1:

apparently nobody helps in here randomdude.

[03:19:20]

** Cuddles_in_K1 has been trying to set up a myth box for over a week. **

[03:19:23]

RandomDude15:

nvm

[03:19:23]

Paladine:

thats bloody rude

[03:19:43]

Cuddles_in_K1:

agreed, paladine.

[03:19:49]

Paladine:

cuddles, if you are going to be so rude, maybe you should just get lost eh?

[03:19:52]

opello:

no help in 6 minutes and complaints around

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Cuddles_in_K1:

paladine, i've been trying to set this up for a week.

[03:20:17]

Paladine:

well with your attitude I am not suprised you have had no help

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Cuddles_in_K1:

been all over google, been in here several times, and still don't have an answer.

[03:20:28]

robbins876:

i can't get any sound in flash videos on youtube.com. I use ALSA and firefox. anyone have any ideas?

[03:20:43]

Paladine:

robbins876, that has nothing to do with mythtv

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Cuddles_in_K1:

until now, i've been very polite.

[03:21:04]

Cuddles_in_K1:

but a person can only take so much.

[03:21:39]

robbins876:

paladine> i know, but you guys are some of the smartest i know, so i thought i'd run it by you, but i guess i'll head over to #linux-help

[03:21:59]

Paladine:

robbins876, what distro you running?

[03:22:14]

robbins876:

FC5

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Paladine:

try askingin your local fedora channel

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scott_:

RandomDude15: slocate libmythtv-0.20.so.0 , does it find it in /usr/local/lib?

[03:23:07]

robbins876:

i didn't know there was a local fedora channel

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acm-:

is 480x480 the highest quality needed for ntsc?

[03:23:34]

Paladine:

robbins, first rule of freenode, it has a lot of channels :)

[03:24:22]

Cuddles_in_K1:

paladine, can you please look over my error message and try to find a solution?

[03:24:58]

Paladine:

Cuddles_in_K1, I havebeen using mythtv for like 3 days, I am almost definitely not experienced enough to be able to help you

[03:25:16]

scott_:

hey Cuddles_in_K1 , I spent 15 seconds on the mailing lists...

[03:25:18]

scott_:

" I didn't get any responses but I think I figured it out. I needed to

[03:25:18]

scott_:

use xauth/xhost to allow the user to connect to the X server. I realize

[03:25:18]

scott_:

this is X but I'm sure many Myth users run into it so is there a FAQ for

[03:25:19]

scott_:

this? "

[03:25:23]

scott_:

sorry for the spam.

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Cuddles_in_K1:

scott, i have tried that, with no joy.

[03:25:44]

scott_:

what did you try with no joy?

[03:25:51]

Cuddles_in_K1:

xauth +

[03:26:04]

Cuddles_in_K1:

that was one of the first things i tried.

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scott_:

what user are you trying to run the backend as?

[03:26:30]

Cuddles_in_K1:

as far as i can tell, the problem is with mythbackend talking to mysql

[03:26:40]

Cuddles_in_K1:

root, of course.

[03:27:02]

Cuddles_in_K1:

it won't run any other way.

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scott_:

do you get the same problem if you try running it as a regular user?

[03:27:30]

Cuddles_in_K1:

it won't run as a regular user.

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scott_:

what does it say when you try to run it as a regular user?

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Cuddles_in_K1:

authentication failure

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Paladine:

mythbackend runs as regular user here

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Anduin:

The backend is perfectly capable as being run as any user so long as some permissions are made right.

[03:29:01]

Cuddles_in_K1:

apparently not on a debian system.

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scott_:

I run debian

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Anduin:

The backend also shouldn't need to talk to an X server

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Cuddles_in_K1:

from what little iv'e been able to find out, the problem is mythbackend talking to mysql

[03:29:57]

scott_:

another message on the mailing list says that's just a warning really, maybe you aren't finding the real error that's causing the trouble

[03:30:10]

Anduin:

Cuddles_in_K1: That is a "couldn't open the X display" error you were sharing above.

[03:30:15]

scott_:

well tell us what led you to believe it's a mysql problem

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claybo:

Hey everyone. Are there any known problems with MythDVD and XvMC? MythDVD freaks out on me when I have XvMC enabled. If I disable it, it works properly, but the video doesn't look that great. Do I need to recompile MythDVD?

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Cuddles_in_K1:

the fact that if i google for that exact error, 99 percent of the matches come up with mysql as the culprit, but no solutions.

[03:31:08]

word:

with modification could the netflix plugin be used for blockbuster?

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Anduin:

claybo: What you call MythDVD has nothing to do with XvMC

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claybo:

Anduin, my MythDVD player settings are on "Internal," so I'm assuming it has something to do with XvMC since that is my TV playback method?

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scott_:

Cuddles_in_K1: use pastebin or something and paste all output from when you start mythbackend to when it fails

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Anduin:

claybo: That just means myth itself will attempt to play it, just quibbling about calling it MythDVD.

[03:33:34]

claybo:

Anduin, ah, I gotcha. Well, either way, is there any reason why all my TV recordings play back flawlessly with XvMC and DVDs fail? xine works with DVDs, but just doesn't look that good.

[03:34:54]

degreseven:

i'm getting a faint, high pitched squeeling sound in the background when watching tv (both live & recorded), any adjustments i can make that might help that?

[03:35:34]

Paladine:

take your chair off your cat's tail

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Anduin:

claybo: does xine -V xvmc work?

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Cuddles_in_K1:

scott: http://pastebin.ca/174682

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degreseven:

Paladine, is that a "no"?

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Anduin:

Cuddles_in_K1: And what happens when you simply run mythbackend?

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Cuddles_in_K1:

anduin, same thing.

[03:41:09]

claybo:

Anduin, yes. And all my TV recordings play back perfectly in Myth with XvMC enabled.

[03:42:02]

claybo:

It's only DVDs that fail. They start to play back, but either freeze a little bit into it after skipping lots of scenes, or have very choppy playback.

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Anduin:

claybo: How many DVDs have you tried?

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Anduin:

claybo: Does switching to libmpeg2 do anything?

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Paladine:

coffee then bed I think

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scott_:

Cuddles_in_K1: what if you just use /usr/local/bin/mythbackend -d -l name_of.log to start it and paste contents of log file

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Paladine:

seeing as itis almost 5am

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LabMonkey:

ok on a few different channels I'm getting really poor video quality

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LabMonkey:

but the same channels look fine on my tv

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Cuddles_in_K1:

scott, that gives us an actual error...

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LabMonkey:

that is to say, they're fine straight to the tv, but crappy on my tv tuner card

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Cuddles_in_K1:

dbpassword is not set in mysql.txt

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claybo:

Anduin, I've tried like five or six DVDs and they all mess up in the same way. Switching to libmpeg2 or Standard works just fine — DVDs play back and have menus and everything, but the video playback isn't as smooth and nice as it is with XvMC.

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Anduin:

claybo: may try a run with -v playback for mythfrontend, I don't use XvMC but I'm also not aware of it only afflicting DVD playback (apart from a few things it is mostly the same code as for TV playback).

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Cuddles_in_K1:

scott_, any ideas?

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defaultro:

hey folks, I noticed with .20 that when I press Home/Esc from the question "Do you want to quit[Yes/No], it takes a long time before it goes back to the main menu? This was not happening in previous versions. Any ideas?

[03:50:48]

Anduin:

Cuddles_in_K1: So you didn't mythtv-setup? There should have been no difference between what I asked you to run and what you are now saying has a dbpassword error

[03:51:08]

Cuddles_in_K1:

anduin, i have run mythtv-setup

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Anduin:

Cuddles_in_K1: So you have ~/.mythtv/mysql.txt? With valid info?

[03:51:33]

Cuddles_in_K1:

i didn't start getting this error untill trying to run mythfilldatabase

[03:51:57]

Cuddles_in_K1:

and since then, it's all gone down the tubes.

[03:52:14]

LabMonkey:

it's gotta be an ivtv thing I'm thinking

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Anduin:

defaultro: It has always been slow for me, it does quite a bit of work (reloading the theme) to get back, similar to when you change something in Appearances

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Anduin:

Cuddles_in_K1: mythfilldatabase does nothing to ~/.mythtv/mysql.txt

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Cuddles_in_K1:

anduin, that's when the trouble started though.

[03:55:56]

Cuddles_in_K1:

off-topic question... can myth, once it's running, be controlled with just a mouse?

[03:57:28]

jams:

Cuddles_in_K1- nope

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Anduin:

Cuddles_in_K1: 0.20 tries to have better mouse support, it isn't perfect yet.

[03:57:52]

claybo:

Anduin, tried mythfrontend -v playback. Seems like there's a lot of complaining about avlib holding frames. That's about all I see.

[03:57:57]

jams:

the main menus will work with the mouse, but non of the plugins or screens past the menus work

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Anduin:

claybo: How much CPU is DVD playback taking?

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Cuddles_in_K1:

ok.

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claybo:

Anduin, when I have it set to XvMC and it's not really working well?

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Cuddles_in_K1:

so i need a remote. suggestions on what brand/model to look for?

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** Cuddles_in_K1 is re-running mythtv-setup, btw, just in case **

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Anduin:

claybo: non-XvMC then

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jams:

Cuddles_in_K1- the streamzap is a good remote

[03:59:58]

jams:

Cuddles_in_K1- I have found a true serial port receiver is just a bit more responsive then usb

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ShockValue:

i have a harmony remote.. its ok, but the button layout is only so-so

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ShockValue:

and its way overkill considering mythtv does everything in my system

[04:01:07]

jams:

ShockValue- my harmony sits on the shelf

[04:01:43]

Cuddles_in_K1:

well, i'd be using my directv universal remote, but the receiver is the key.

[04:01:48]

jams:

your right the button layout is just so so

[04:02:18]

ShockValue:

i never got my directtv remote to work with my hauppauge reciever.. i think they talk on different wavelengths or something

[04:02:58]

jams:

Cuddles_in_K1- the streamzap comes with a usb receiver, or for a serial port receiver/transmitter I like to use http://iguanaworks.net/ir/

[04:03:10]

claybo:

Anduin, with libmpeg2 as my playback method, mythfrontend takes about 10% CPU.

[04:06:02]

Anduin:

claybo: Yeah, not really in the range where you would be hitting a bottleneck, I don't really know what to say other than that the mailing list would have more eyes.

[04:06:18]

Cuddles_in_K1:

ok, mythbackend still gives me that error, but...

[04:06:31]

claybo:

Anduin, yeah, that's where I was going to go next — thanks for your help so far, though!

[04:06:41]

Cuddles_in_K1:

if i run the /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend start script, it errors out.

[04:07:00]

Cuddles_in_K1:

but if i just run mythbackend, i get the error, but it keeps running.

[04:07:26]

Anduin:

Cuddles_in_K1: condensing that it boils down to "if it is still broken it is still broken"

[04:07:56]

Cuddles_in_K1:

anduin, but at least i can get it to run.

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Anduin:

Cuddles_in_K1: No one here is looking at your screen we only have statements like "mythbackend still gives me that error" to go on.

[04:10:18]

Cuddles_in_K1:

anduin, the error i pastebinned earlier.

[04:10:41]

Cuddles_in_K1:

the error: http://pastebin.ca/174682

[04:11:29]

Anduin:

Cuddles_in_K1: Yes you keep changing what you are talking about

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ShockValue:

curious.. when connection to zap2it for listings, i always get 1 "unauthorized" error followed by a successfull download.. rince/repeat for each time it trys

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Anduin:

ShockValue: the first 401 is normal

[04:13:34]

ShockValue:

k

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Cuddles_in_K1:

anduin, no, i asked one off-topic question while i re-ran mythtv-setup.

[04:13:49]

ShockValue:

well, if you're not worried about it.. i wont worry about it :)

[04:13:56]

Cuddles_in_K1:

which apparently partially fixed the problem.

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promacuser:

is there a good way to test a network connection to make sure it's fast enough?

[04:14:40]

Anduin:

ShockValue: It doesn't send the authentication info until the first failure (when it knows it needs to auth), normally you would never know and your browser would just pop up that login dialog.

[04:15:30]

ShockValue:

promacuser: external net, or internal? (fast enough for what?)

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promacuser:

ShockValue: internal. i have a G4 tower running a SMB share with all my movies on it

[04:17:37]

promacuser:

ShockValue: the movies stutter, and i wanted to troubleshoot things one at a time if possible

[04:17:57]

ShockValue:

100Mb?

[04:23:01]

promacuser:

i believe so

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ShockValue:

copy one locally and try playing it from there?

[04:25:18]

hd420:

p

[04:25:22]

hd420:

yo yo yo

[04:26:37]

** Gumby is ready to toss mythweb out the window **

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** Brains is ready to toss this DCT-6200 out the window. **

[04:30:52]

** hd420 is ready to toss linux into the fire **

[04:31:02]

hd420:

bloody thing refuses to run mythtv

[04:31:40]

mchou:

lol

[04:31:46]

hd420:

I run mythtv-setup, it says i need to fill the database, try to run mythfilldatabase, and it says i have to run mythtv-setup

[04:31:59]

hd420:

it's like a catch 22

[04:32:03]

** Brains eyes the list of folks in #mythtv-users and suspects that some people are running mythtv under linux. **

[04:32:17]

mchou:

Brains: Bingo!

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hd420:

Brains: it doesn't matter if SOME people are, I am NOT

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Anduin:

Mine only worked after I threw it in the fire.

[04:32:38]

hd420:

and that's my problem at present

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mchou:

hd420: haha!!

[04:32:40]

Brains:

hd420: Ah, but their example means it is possible.

[04:33:00]

hd420:

Brains: but I didn't say it was impossible

[04:33:09]

mchou:

Brains: it's not only possible, it's probable

[04:33:17]

mchou:

:)

[04:34:12]

Brains:

mchou: Heh, seeing as I am/was at least partially running mythtv under linux, I'd have to agree... No matter how improbable his wife tells him he is. (Or was that impossible...)

[04:35:14]

mchou:

Brains: whose wife are you referring to here, yours?

[04:35:29]

Brains:

mchou: Yeah, silly mistake on my part.

[04:35:30]

hd420:

me wife?

[04:35:59]

mchou:

Brains: you mean your wife couldnt believe myth ran on a linux box?

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** Brains sometimes forgets which person he's speaking in... First, third, whatever. You're all figments of his imagination anyways. **

[04:36:12]

Brains:

mchou: No, my wife thinks I'm impossible.

[04:36:19]

mchou:

Brains: lol

[04:36:38]

mchou:

Brains: Does she say that while you're doing the nasty? :)

[04:37:00]

Brains:

mchou: Who pays attention? =:P

[04:37:47]

mchou:

Brains: I believe it's called the limbic or sympathetic system in this particular case :)

[04:38:19]

mchou:

Brains: kinda difficult if you dont possess a body to go w/ the Brains there :)

[04:38:49]

** Brains wonders if it matters if it is a BIG brain. **

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Brains:

'Course, it can't be too big if this silly little Motorola box is toying with him.

[04:39:14]

mchou:

Brains: DCT-6200 is wonderful

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Zider:

size doesn't matter :)

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Brains:

mchou: I think it depends on your relationship with it. Mine has decided to give me the cold shoulder. (Which doesn't help when trying to figure out what is broken versus what is screwed up by 5C.)

[04:41:09]

mchou:

Brains: there aint nothing to figure out re 5c. The diag screen tells you if 5c=0 or >0

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Puh:

you should try the experimental MythRelationship plugin ;)

[04:41:59]

Brains:

mchou: Which is lovely... 'Cept the diag screen doesn't appear on the composite out if it is an HD channel. Since the diag screen doesn't come across the firewire connection either...

[04:42:24]

Zider:

Puh: MythLoveNHate? ;)

[04:42:34]

mchou:

Brains: the diag screen appears on the box itself

[04:42:46]

WAR_CH|LD:

where do I put in the also module load options? for when the alsa module is loading on bootup, so it loads auto

[04:44:12]

Brains:

mchou: Er, not on mine... I can see the d?? options on the LED display on the front, but selecting d11 then blanks it out.

[04:44:46]

mchou:

Brains: beats me then. works just dandy for me

[04:44:58]

Brains:

mchou: What do you see on the LED display?

[04:45:18]

mchou:

Brains: I'm nowhere near dct stb right now

[04:45:32]

Brains:

mchou: Ah, thought you might remember. No worries.

[04:45:48]

mchou:

Brains: but iirc it's says 5C 0 or some such

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promacuser:

ShockValue: any ideas?

[04:47:14]

Brains:

mchou: Maybe I'm thinking of a diff diag screen... I'm talking about the one that you get by pushing 'cable', 'power', and 'select'. That the same one you are thinking of?

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mchou:

Brains: yup

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Brains:

mchou: The most amusing part about not seeing the diag screen for the HD channels is that I can watch the HD channels on this 13" tv via composite out... Just about as far in the opposite direction from HD as you really want to go.

[04:49:05]

mchou:

Brains: hmm, 5c only governs firewire port

[04:49:43]

mchou:

Brains: so I dont see what's so amusing. It's supposed to work thru the composite/svideo port

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hjohnson:

well, my myth-backend machine is built... all it needs now is the tv tuner. :P

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Brains:

mchou: I wasn't referring to the 5C part, but the diag part. You'd think just about the simplest thing to do would be putting the diag screen out on composite...

[04:51:08]

mchou:

Brains: nope, harder than you think. need an overlay, which aint easy to get

[04:51:25]

Brains:

mchou: They overlayed over the SD channels...

[04:52:46]

** Brains unplugs and replugs the firewire cable, watches the node jump from 0 to 2. **

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hjohnson:

hmm.. have the ivtv issues on amd64/SMP been resolved?

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metalac:

where are mythtv themes located on the file system?

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Gumby:

metalac: updatedb && locate mythtv |grep theme

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Gumby:

metalac: its @ /usr/share/mythtv/themes/ on my box

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promacuser:

is there any way to speed up the transfer rate on a Samba share?

[04:59:32]

Brains:

mchou: Do you know off the top of your head if you are using p2p @ 100 or some other combo for the DCT6200?

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** Brains watches Twilight Zone off SciFi live. Decides to idle a bit. **

[05:05:58]

metalac:

speaking of DCT6200 anybody knows of a good reliable Firewire card?

[05:06:03]

metalac:

the one I have is totally random

[05:06:27]

metalac:

also do you have separate tv listings for dct6200? from regular analog?

[05:06:58]

metalac:

or do you use the same tv listing for both inputs?

[05:07:27]

** Brains is using the one off his EPIA M9000 and only using the firewire. **

[05:09:09]

metalac:

Brains: what chipset is that one using? and has it be reliable?

[05:11:06]

Brains:

metalac: Not working reliable yet, but I've not isolated the issue yet. Gimme a sec and I'll see what the chipset is.

[05:11:42]

metalac:

Brains: i've talked to bunch of people and it seems that my chipset is to blame

[05:12:09]

metalac:

i'm hopping to find somebody here who's using firewire reliably with dct6200

[05:14:03]

** Brains thinks mchou is probably the best bet. **

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defaultro:

metalac, i've used firewire before but no luck

[05:14:34]

defaultro:

what are you trying to do?

[05:14:49]

metalac:

i've used mine for a while, but it's totally random, sometimes it works just fine and sometimes it has no signal

[05:15:03]

defaultro:

maybe be the p2p

[05:15:05]

metalac:

all i want to do is connect DCT-6200 and watch HDTV

[05:15:14]

metalac:

i tried everything, p2p or broadcast

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Brains:

metalac: And you've made sure that you aren't tuning to any channels with 5C?

[05:15:17]

defaultro:

not necessarliy

[05:15:29]

metalac:

Brains: what do you mean?

[05:15:31]

defaultro:

what is the value of 5c in service menu

[05:15:41]

defaultro:

do you know how to get to service menu?

[05:15:42]

metalac:

what is 5C?

[05:15:48]

defaultro:

encryption

[05:16:05]

defaultro:

do this

[05:16:17]

defaultro:

go to the HD channel you want to record in the set top box

[05:16:22]

defaultro:

hit power off

[05:16:28]

defaultro:

then hit select

[05:16:44]

defaultro:

distance should be less than a second

[05:17:08]

defaultro:

then go to channel status iirc

[05:17:24]

metalac:

i got general status

[05:17:43]

defaultro:

there are many choices

[05:17:51]

metalac:

got it

[05:17:52]

defaultro:

i think it's the 4th or 5th

[05:17:55]

Brains:

d11 is the one that shows the 5C option.

[05:18:01]

defaultro:

0 or 1?

[05:18:17]

metalac:

there is nothing that says 5C

[05:18:21]

Brains:

(Any 5C other than 0 means you can't watch it.)

[05:18:31]

defaultro:

metalac, go to D11 menu

[05:18:49]

metalac:

says 0

[05:18:53]

defaultro:

good

[05:19:09]

defaultro:

then all you have to do is find out why it's intermittent

[05:19:24]

defaultro:

p2p setup

[05:19:24]

metalac:

seems that it's my firewire card

[05:19:27]

defaultro:

broadvast

[05:19:32]

Brains:

It is a changeable thing... Generally set by channel, but sometimes it can be turned on for just a show. (Or so I'm understanding so far...)

[05:19:35]

metalac:

i'm gona go and try and borrow few cards from friends

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defaultro:

5c isn't changeable

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** Brains shrugs. He's seen people reporting that it was turned on for a period of time for some channels. **

[05:22:39]

metalac:

so does that mean if 5C is on we can't watch it?

[05:23:01]

defaultro:

you can watch it using your stb

[05:23:02]

mchou:

5c is programming depedent

[05:23:07]

defaultro:

but you cannot record it

[05:23:15]

Brains:

If 5C is on (a value of anything other than 0), you can't watch it via firewire.

[05:23:29]

defaultro:

the provider's box can record it because it's proprietary system

[05:23:50]

mchou:

Brains: more appropriate to say the fw port is closed if 5C>0

[05:23:51]

defaultro:

you can record local HD though

[05:24:33]

mchou:

Brains: or downrezed

[05:24:57]

defaultro:

i have a friend who works for motorola, he said he can hack the 6200 to make firewire working. Maybe, he was just joking

[05:25:13]

mchou:

Brains: meaning you can watch downrezed material

[05:25:47]

mishehu:

defaultro: I'm pretty sure it's a firmware setting.

[05:25:51]

Brains:

mchou: I've pretty much seen nothing when 5C>0.

[05:26:05]

mishehu:

yeah, I can't get *anything* when 5C>0

[05:26:14]

mchou:

Brains: that's cause there was no downrez material avail

[05:26:14]

mishehu:

not even downrezzed.

[05:26:31]

mishehu:

because comcast feels that I might record it and keep it forever.

[05:26:44]

mishehu:

which I would do, but chances of me ever actually watching it more than once is pretty nil.

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metalac:

so is there any other way to connect DCT-6200 to a PC?

[05:27:34]

mchou:

mishehu: MPAA doesnt care whether you watch it once or no, they care about whether you share it

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** Brains would disagree... They care about more than just the sharing portion. Hence the region locking, the forced watching of DVD bits, etc. **

[05:28:22]

defaultro:

this makes me nuts though

[05:28:36]

defaultro:

the law prohibits recording of this shows

[05:28:47]

defaultro:

but their own box is capable of recording it

[05:28:59]

mchou:

defaultro: which law in particular?

[05:29:02]

Brains:

The law doesn't prohibit recording the shows last I looked.

[05:29:04]

defaultro:

5c

[05:29:10]

mchou:

lol

[05:29:38]

defaultro:

i can just hook up a vhs to it and record it

[05:29:40]

nandy_:

any idea what would cause /dev/lirc0 not to get created?

[05:29:46]

mchou:

5c doesnt make prohibitions against recording shows

[05:29:52]

defaultro:

oh

[05:29:57]

nandy_:

i have modprobe.conf setup according to the howtos etc

[05:30:03]

mchou:

it just make prohibitions re firewire

[05:30:06]

defaultro:

nandy, wrong channel

[05:30:10]

Brains:

Well, "copy never" counts as a prohibition against recording a show.

[05:30:14]

defaultro:

nandy, just kidding

[05:30:24]

mchou:

a subtle but not insignificant difference

[05:30:45]

defaultro:

so if 5c as you said, doesn make prohibitions of recording, why can't we record it ourseleves

[05:30:57]

mchou:

Brains: that's copy never over firewire.

[05:31:04]

nandy_:

defaultro: oh in that case do you have any ideas

[05:31:25]

mchou:

Brains: not copy never over svideo or whatnot

[05:31:37]

defaultro:

that means, even if the quality is bad if copied via RCA out, I can connect the out to a PVR card and duplicate it/shareit

[05:31:40]

Brains:

mchou: Only because 5C is aimed at high quality representations.

[05:32:02]

defaultro:

the quality isn't really bad in RCA output

[05:32:15]

defaultro:

we just just duplicate the mpeg files and bittorrent it

[05:32:16]

** Brains wishes that you could find out the 5C status of a channel so you could select firewire or s-video output depending... **

[05:32:34]

defaultro:

i think that's what they want to stop right

[05:32:38]

Brains:

defaultro: Most BT folks would downrez and compress it anyways.

[05:32:39]

defaultro:

prohibit copying

[05:32:48]

defaultro:

i don't care if it's downres

[05:33:01]

defaultro:

all i care is that, I can still share it to anywhere in the world

[05:33:10]

Brains:

If you don't mind a downrez, then a good s-video (not covered by 5C) is fine.

[05:33:12]

defaultro:

aren't they worried about that

[05:33:40]

hjohnson:

defaultro: sure, but there's nothing they can do about it.

[05:33:41]

metalac:

so what's a good way to watch HDTV

[05:33:48]

metalac:

seems that I can do only over the air stuff

[05:33:48]

defaultro:

assuming Discovery HD sent to SVIDEO and capture by PVR150 as mpg file, I can just put the file to a bittorrent

[05:33:53]

hjohnson:

metalac: there isn't one, thakns to the lawywers and their farking DRM

[05:34:09]

defaultro:

wait, we are missing the point here

[05:34:12]

hjohnson:

but then, violating copyright ain't cool either.

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defaultro:

i was saying the even the quality isn't the best, the file would still be applicable to other countries where they have 4:3 screens

[05:34:44]

Brains:

Nobody has talked about violating copyright yet, I think... (Well, ignoring the part where people go "But they didn't stop this case, why are they doing this?")

[05:34:55]

defaultro:

which when viewed on a 4:3, it's sharp and clean

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defaultro:

like 24 shown in HD

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hjohnson:

Brains: defaultro did when he talked about tossing it on bittorrent.

[05:35:28]

defaultro:

record everything, put downres to bittoorent

[05:35:41]

mchou:

hjohnson: well, I'd argue the US copyright system is broken. Lifetime + 70 yrs might as well be forever.

[05:35:43]

hjohnson:

mm.. Gin.. Tonic...

[05:35:49]

Brains:

hjohnson: I think he was talking about the failure of their attempt... It didn't cover that case.

[05:36:03]

hjohnson:

mchou: right, but realistically, stuff made this year would be covered by copyright no matter what.

[05:36:18]

mchou:

hjohnson: no argument there

[05:36:28]

Brains:

hjohnson: But timeshifting is already allowed under current law.

[05:36:36]

defaultro:

so the story of episode 3 of the series 24 on a HD show wouldn't be different a different story of episode 3 of series 24 if it's 4:3, LOL

[05:36:52]

hjohnson:

Brains: right, but what I read of defaultro is he wants to toss stuff on 'torrent

[05:37:14]

defaultro:

so now, what can the LAW do about it

[05:37:28]

defaultro:

especially, other countries doesn't have HD yet. FREAKING LAW. LOL

[05:37:45]

mchou:

defaultro: law allows MPAA to go after you and your wife, kids and house :)

[05:37:54]

defaultro:

LOL

[05:37:59]

Brains:

hjohnson: I think I already addressed that. He was talking about the bittorrent case being what the 5C stuff was supposed to prevent yet didn't while still being a pain in our sides. I don't think he was talking about wanting to specifically do that.

[05:38:05]

defaultro:

how can they be sure that I did put it on a torrent?

[05:38:12]

defaultro:

they won't be able to track me

[05:38:16]

defaultro:

if i really do it

[05:38:19]

mchou:

defaultro: simple

[05:38:27]

defaultro:

i don't think so

[05:38:31]

hjohnson:

mchou: pretty easy

[05:38:37]

mchou:

torrents can be tracked

[05:38:46]

defaultro:

well, not via torrents

[05:38:51]

defaultro:

it's easy to find an ftp site

[05:39:02]

hjohnson:

davidsmind: sure it's easy

[05:39:16]

defaultro:

then use proxy of chains, 100 proxy deep

[05:39:19]

defaultro:

it's slow though

[05:39:57]

defaultro:

of course, I wouldn;t do it

[05:40:00]

mchou:

damn, I hope I dont have case of poison oak from hike earlier today

[05:40:09]

mchou:

starting to itch

[05:40:11]

defaultro:

i was just explaining that law here for that matter is skewed

[05:40:17]

hjohnson:

mchou: leaves of three, leave it be.

[05:40:18]

hjohnson:

;)

[05:41:24]

defaultro:

also, assuming it's being uploaded via https and file extension is .DOC or .TXT

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defaultro:

so metalac, are you ok now?

[05:42:52]

metalac:

defaultro: what do you mean?

[05:42:53]

defaultro:

you like your 5c channel

[05:43:00]

mchou:

defaultro: nobody ever said the law made sense

[05:43:02]

defaultro:

i mean, your recording?

[05:43:09]

metalac:

defaultro: no i didn't try it on myth

[05:43:22]

defaultro:

hey metalac, we are not fbi, you can record it

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metalac:

ahahahaha

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Brains:

There is a reason why the old saying talks about law and sausage...

[05:43:45]

defaultro:

especially, ATSC, we've been doing it

[05:43:52]

metalac:

no i need to get a new firewire card and see what's up

[05:43:55]

defaultro:

go ahead Brains, what is it?

[05:44:02]

defaultro:

ok metalac

[05:44:05]

defaultro:

wish you luck

[05:44:27]

defaultro:

metalac, also read SlicerDicers doucments, he hacked 5c

[05:44:34]

defaultro:

just kidding, hehehee

[05:44:40]

defaultro:

he has a nice firewire documents

[05:44:45]

metalac:

where at?

[05:44:50]

defaultro:

it's in wiki

[05:44:57]

mchou:

metalac: you live in Seattle area?

[05:45:10]

metalac:

mchou: yeah, why?

[05:45:13]

mchou:

metalac: if so, lucky you :)

[05:45:23]

defaultro:

metalac, what number did it say it when 5c=0?

[05:45:23]

metalac:

defaultro: you mean the firewire article in wiki?

[05:45:24]

Brains:

defaultro: "People who enjoy eating sausage and obeying the law should not watch either being made" – Otto von Bismarck

[05:45:26]

Dagmar:

Brains: It takes a lot of blood to make either of them?

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metalac:

mchou: why am i lucky?

[05:45:35]

defaultro:

LOL

[05:45:37]

mchou:

metalac: no 5c if you have comcast on everything except VH1 and PPV

[05:45:46]

Dagmar:

Oh, THAT saying

[05:45:47]

metalac:

mchou: sweet

[05:45:55]

defaultro:

where did Comcast really start?

[05:45:59]

** Brains is on Comcast and there is 5C on more than just VH1 and PPV. **

[05:46:02]

defaultro:

is it in seattle area?

[05:46:02]

metalac:

mchou: i don't watch either of those anyways :)

[05:46:13]

robbins876:

for some reason i'm not getting any sound in myth and it's not responding to the volume controls on my remote. i mean, i'm not showing any volume bars or anything. anyone have any ideas?

[05:46:14]

hd420:

default: comcast started in philadelphia

[05:46:15]

mchou:

Brains: but you arent in seattle

[05:46:16]

Brains:

(Comcast outside Boston)

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defaultro:

pl

[05:46:22]

defaultro:

ok

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defaultro:

i got unlucky with comcast here

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defaultro:

some channels are on on 5c

[05:46:55]

jakeisawake:

hey out there, wierd question. if anyone wants to give me a lil help

[05:47:17]

defaultro:

jake, it;s like saying, will I get help here

[05:47:25]

defaultro:

go throw the question, lol

[05:47:29]

defaultro:

maybe someone will help

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jakeisawake:

well just like to make sure someone is listening, anyhow, something strange, recordings are listed as flaggen but when hit skip says not flagged, and when i set a posistion bookmark and exit and return it just starts from beginning

[05:48:31]

jakeisawake:

this just started happening

[05:49:38]

nandy_:

any idea what would cause /dev/lirc0 not to get created?

[05:49:59]

mchou:

jakeisawake: revert to 0.19 if all else fails :)

[05:50:24]

jakeisawake:

lirc0? depends on udev and kern, maybe /dev/lirc/0

[05:50:27]

defaultro:

mchou, btw, I'm glad with .20s HD playback, no more stuttering on first playback

[05:50:42]

mchou:

damn, I got to stop going on these hikes

[05:50:47]

nandy_:

jakeisawake: not created there either.

[05:50:56]

defaultro:

before, I have to pause then play, playback on HD would be ok

[05:50:57]

jakeisawake:

had issues with lirc creating one dev when you install and load but reboot was other

[05:50:58]

metalac:

well i'm of to ed

[05:50:58]

nandy_:

jakeisawake: and if i mknod a char device at major 61 it cant read it

[05:51:00]

metalac:

bed

[05:51:04]

metalac:

nice talking to you guys

[05:51:07]

metalac:

have a good one

[05:51:09]

SlicerDicer-:

damn I got to get my backend off SVN haha

[05:51:10]

defaultro:

have fun

[05:51:11]

jakeisawake:

do you get any output when you load themodules?

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SlicerDicer-:

I have so many hosed parts ;-)

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defaultro:

hey Slicer

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defaultro:

if ain't broke, don't fix it

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nandy_:

jakeisawake: no i have debug=1 but i get nothing from the modprobe and nothing useful in messages

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jakeisawake:

0.19 lol yeah, well was working, i think i may have messed something up trying to fix an error

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SlicerDicer-:

defaultro: yeah well I fixed my friggin mac

[05:51:52]

defaultro:

cool

[05:51:52]

SlicerDicer-:

it plays HD now

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SlicerDicer-:

haha

[05:51:56]

SlicerDicer-:

but the backend is hosed

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jakeisawake:

hmm, what kern, lirc version, remote are you using?

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SlicerDicer-:

I mean it records

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SlicerDicer-:

I just have really no control over it haha

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** SlicerDicer- misses mythweb working **

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nandy_:

jakeisawake: mind if i pm so i dont spam the chan?

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SlicerDicer-:

also my XVMC went batshit

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jakeisawake:

nandy_, sure

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defaultro:

i'm thinking of building a new computer. But I want a mother board with built in LAN and video which can play HD smoothly

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defaultro:

do you guys have mother board recommendation?

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defaultro:

then I'll just find a case which is 1u or 2u

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Dagmar:

That will limit your options

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Dagmar:

1U will mean you're going to have to be buying BTX or ITX and/or at the very least a very short CPU cooler

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hjohnson:

I'm just deciding whether I want SDTV of HDTV

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hd420:

it's saying i need to run mythfilldatabase first, but when I run that, it says that i don't have channels defined

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defaultro:

ok

[05:54:35]

defaultro:

Dagmar, it's just going to be a frontend

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Dagmar:

hd420: you're not following the installation guide

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defaultro:

I'm even thinking of booting off a eeprom

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defaultro:

via bootp

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Dagmar:

defaultro: The typical CPU's HSF is taller than you can stick in a 1U box

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defaultro:

so it's ggoing to be diskless

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defaultro:

what's your recommednation on the case?

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Dagmar:

To just buy a mid-tower

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defaultro:

yep, i still have to add a cpu fan

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defaultro:

:(

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Dagmar:

HTPC-styled cases and rackmountable cases have one thing in common... they're hellishly expensive

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hjohnson:

yep

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defaultro:

it's ok

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defaultro:

i can stretch my budget to 200–250

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Dagmar:

THat would get you a case.

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hjohnson:

i'd be tempted to gut a dvd player for use as a case. :P

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defaultro:

yeah, cool idea

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defaultro:

but what about the cpu?

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defaultro:

where are you going to stick it

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defaultro:

?

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defaultro:

or maybe, create a hole on top, LOL

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hjohnson:

defaultro: if I was just doing SDTV, a EPIA mini-itx would be more than enough

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defaultro:

it should have HD support

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SlicerDicer-:

hehe

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Zider:

tight space for a tuner card tho

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SlicerDicer-:

indeed

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defaultro:

no tuner card

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defaultro:

i just said earlier, it's a frontend

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SlicerDicer-:

defaultro: wat we need is a EPIA with a mx440 ;-) that would handle hd :)

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defaultro:

it's going to get it off of network

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defaultro:

ok

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** SlicerDicer- comes back to reality **

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nandy_:

jakeisawake: did you get my pms?

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nandy_:

wow

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nandy_:

that was terrible.

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nandy_:

did you get my priv. messages?

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jakeisawake:

yeah did you get mine?

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nandy_:

negative

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defaultro:

priv msg are not allowed

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defaultro:

unless you create a password

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jakeisawake:

ah

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nandy_:

bleh well can you just repeat in here then?

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jakeisawake:

lol wish i could remember my nick password

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jakeisawake:

was wondering bout your kern log out put when you load lirc module

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defaultro:

WOW, this is awesome, http://www.silverstonetek.com/products-lc19.htm

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defaultro:

it's very simple

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Dagmar:

And expensive as hell.

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defaultro:

how much are they?

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simcop2387:

do they come in black?

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jakeisawake:

anyone know how to get nickserv to email me my password lol

[06:02:17]

nandy_:

lirc_dev: IR Remote Control driver registered, at major 61

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nandy_:

lirc_dev ([-1]): open called

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nandy_:

lirc_dev ([-1]): open result = -ENODEV

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defaultro:

maybe nandy, you might need to clear serial first

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defaultro:

that's just my guess

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simcop2387:

jakeisawake: not sure, but #freenode probably does

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defaultro:

this ahanix is also nice, http://www.silentpcreview.com/article104-page1.html

[06:04:03]

defaultro:

or I can just buy an MDF, piano finish it, LOL

[06:06:02]

nandy_:

defaultro: how do i clear serial?

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defaultro:

setserial /dev/ttyS0 uart none

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nandy_:

defaultro: same problem :(

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nandy_:

lagbolt: any other ideas?

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lagbolt:

nandy_, try PM now

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evil_andy:

I'm having issues where autotranscode is erroring out. It works when I set it to use mpeg4 for output, but the output kinda sucks, but if I select rtjpeg, it errors out and doesn't do the transcode (doesn't give me any useful error message though. I have a PVR-150, any ideas?

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Anduin:

evil_andy: transcoding to rtjpeg is probably not what you want, how does mpeg4 suck?

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evil_andy:

well I think I figured it out. but first another question if you don't mind

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evil_andy:

is 480x480 a good resolution? or should I aim for 640x480?

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evil_andy:

I'm going to mainly want to play this stuff back after recording to DVD

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evil_andy:

(I had it set to think it was recording at 640x480 when in actuality it was recording at 480x480 so it got kind of skewed)

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Anduin:

evil_andy: If you are going to just push them off to DVDs why do anything, record max resolution, reasonable bit rate

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evil_andy:

I think I lied (sorry, I'm sick, and I've been up for a loooooong time, not thinking straight) I want to record to DVD, but friends want to stream off the network, so I have it set to NOT delete the original after transcode, but, I want the transcoded file to be of decent quality, I think I figured out he settings I need.

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evil_andy:

so what exactly IS rtJpeg?

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evil_andy:

what I'm aiming for is around 400MB/30min show, so if need be, I can quickly dump it to VCD

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Anduin:

evil_andy: a space waster with modern hardware

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Anduin:

evil_andy: If space is your concern go mpeg4, rtjpeg is huge

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evil_andy:

is mpeg4 a good medium for that? is there any way to have it run ffmpeg instead of mythtranscode? (if so, where should I look for details on that)

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Anduin:

evil_andy: There are things like nuvexport

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evil_andy:

and can I script them to automagically run after recording? or do I have to script them by hand?

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Anduin:

evil_andy: but really just picking a good mpeg4 profile and settings should get you what you want

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evil_andy:

cool

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evil_andy:

thanks!

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evil_andy:

I'll mess around with tthe settings and see what I come up with :) I've been just manually recording 5 minute segments, then transcoding to see what comes out

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evil_andy:

Anduin, thanks for putting up with my questions late at night when I'm not thinking straight.

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ViperFox:

Can anyone here help me with the Apache to Lighttpd conversion for MythWeb?

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emp:

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fish_:

re

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Ruleke:

hello

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Cougar:

morning

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Cougar:

what function is used in C+ to make string a lowercase? I'd like to change cat from this line: "cat = info.attribute("category");" to lowercase

[09:17:01]

Cougar:

something like: cat = info.attribute("category").lower; ?

[09:18:02]

Dibblah:

It's not so much a C++ question as a qt qstring question?

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Dibblah:

http://doc.trolltech.com/3.3/qstring.html#lower

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Cougar:

thx

[09:20:31]

Dibblah:

Assuming this is Myth code, of course ;)

[09:20:42]

Cougar:

now I should find out where tv listing is parsed and do the same. It looks better to convert all to lower instead of inserting many lines with different case to categories.xml

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Ruleke:

what is the source of that data ?

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Cougar:

even current categories.xml has duplicates like "Scifi", "SciFi", "Show", "SHOW", "Game show", "Game Show"

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Cougar:

my grabber gives all category names in uppercase

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Dibblah:

Ummm... You do know it doesn't make a difference, right?

[09:26:08]

Dibblah:

Since Mysql is case insensitive...

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Cougar:

would be easy to just keep first character and lowercase all remaining caharacters but even then some of them doesn't mach with current names

[09:26:38]

Cougar:

yes, looks it makes because I don't see category colors any more

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Dibblah:

Okay...

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Merlin83b:

Dibblah: I figure you know this, but only when using LIKE. If you use = then MySQL is case sensitive.

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Cougar:

it is not mysql query at all. for me it seems that myth loads categories.xml and creates catColors hash and just uses this when showing listing

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Dibblah:

Actually, no I didn't. Programming-by-chinese-whispers is so much more fun :)

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Dagmar:

It's times like this that kinda make me wish we were still using the external grabber

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Cougar:

and yes, I'm 100% sure that it is case sensitive. added on line to categories.xml with uppercase category name and working now

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Dagmar:

This is the sort of thing I could fix in perl in about five minutes flat.

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Merlin83b:

Dibblah: Hehe

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Dagmar:

Programming by chinese whispers?

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Dibblah:

"Mysql is case insensitive" ... "when using LIKE". I missed the second part.

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** Ruleke writes a mythbackend logrotate config... **

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Ruleke:

I suppose copytruncate is best ?

[09:41:04]

Dibblah:

Why bother?

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Dibblah:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Log_File_Rotation

[09:41:58]

Ruleke:

well yeah that's the same

[09:42:15]

Ruleke:

copytruncate does have the possibility of losing entries though

[09:42:17]

Dibblah:

:)

[09:42:36]

Dibblah:

Who really cares?

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Dibblah:

It's on a 10Mb file boundary. Not happening all of the time...

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Ruleke:

would be nice if you could send SIGHUP and have it continue in a new log

[09:47:29]

Dibblah:

... I'm _sure_ I saw a commit a long time ago for that.

[09:48:15]

Dibblah:

Indeed. http://cvs.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/33

[09:48:58]

Ruleke:

hmm doesn't seem to work though ?

[09:49:36]

Dibblah:

You're renaming the old log then sending the signal, right?

[09:49:53]

Ruleke:

actually also creating a new one

[09:50:06]

Ruleke:

because of permissions

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Dibblah:

I don't think that'll work.

[09:51:01]

Ruleke:

well that's how it works for all the other daemons on the system

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Dibblah:

How do you mean "because of permissions"?

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Ruleke:

I want to set certain permissions on the file

[09:51:30]

Ruleke:

I could do it afterward

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Dibblah:

And how are you launching mythbackend?

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Ruleke:

but this is the "create" keyword

[09:52:03]

Ruleke:

with the --logfile option

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Dibblah:

Interesting :)

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Dagmar:

What permissions are you setting on the file?

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Dagmar:

I don't thnk Myth keeps the file open all the time, so you can't change the file to something that the daemon can't write to. It'll fail on the next write.

[10:13:38]

Dagmar:

Only when somehting keeps the FH open can you do that, and it's kind of undefined whether or not that's kosher for the OS to allow

[10:14:01]

Dagmar:

....or at least, I've never seen it defined and it would add some overhead if the OS had to check for permissions on each and every write().

[10:14:58]

Dagmar:

There's some stuff with ttys under Linux I still try not to think about much for that reason. It used to be a really easy way to exploit a lot of Unices

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Ruleke:

erm

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Ruleke:

you can create a file with the proper permissions, then send a sighup to most daemons

[10:20:00]

Dagmar:

Yeah, and if they can write to them they will

[10:20:29]

Dagmar:

The reason Dibblah and I have been questioning that is because you've yet to say what these "certain permissions" are

[10:20:46]

Ruleke:

ah sorry

[10:21:03]

Dagmar:

If those "certain permissions" are something like 0700 owned by root and the backend is running as user mythtv or something, it ain't loggin' anything.

[10:21:11]

Ruleke:

of course

[10:21:23]

Dagmar:

So long as it can be ruled out because you're aware of that problems.

[10:21:24]

Ruleke:

no it's 640 with the owner the user that runs the backend

[10:21:33]

Dagmar:

Okay, that should be fine hten

[10:21:47]

Dibblah:

stuarta: Is the diseqc switch patch needing more testing? Don't think it affects me, but can test if it helps...

[10:21:56]

Ruleke:

should the log make a note about the signal ?

[10:22:02]

stuarta:

Dibblah: which ticket is that?

[10:22:05]

Dagmar:

Something yuo might want to consider doing (or at least give it serious thought) is to set a umask at the top of the script that starts the backend

[10:22:12]

Ruleke:

yer

[10:22:15]

Dagmar:

...like umask 0067

[10:22:28]

Ruleke:

though std logrotate syntax provides it

[10:22:46]

Ruleke:

you set the permissions it should create the file with, I suppose it does that

[10:22:53]

Ruleke:

otherwise samba etc would have the same issue

[10:23:20]

Dibblah:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/attachment/ticket/ . . . switch.patch

[10:23:25]

stuarta:

hehe. one of mine... :)

[10:23:42]

Dibblah:

That'd be why I asked :)

[10:23:53]

stuarta:

I just haven't had a chance to sit down and go through the 0.21 tickets.

[10:24:00]

Dibblah:

Sure.

[10:24:20]

Dibblah:

I'm also looking at why mythfilldatabase is hungry and getting surprised.

[10:24:26]

Ruleke:

Dibblah: I suppose I'll stick with copytruncate for now, will debug a bit later and see what's up

[10:24:35]

stuarta:

from my initial review it looks okay, so it'll go in this week.

[10:24:39]

Ruleke:

err dagmar

[10:24:53]

Ruleke:

well both :P

[10:25:08]

stuarta:

I want to try and sort out #2372 first if possible.

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Dibblah:

The way ChanInfo is created / used is _expensive_. Creating / destroying almost 30 objects on every instanciation is nasty.

[10:27:31]

Dibblah:

Annoyingly, it doesn't show up nicely in oprofile, since most of the 'cost' is in libc, from what I can tell. But then, I'm not a real programmer :(

[10:28:35]

stuarta:

did some profiling while recording friday night, and there is an awful lot of QString::~QString() going on. About 60%

[10:28:49]

Merlin83b:

Aha, stuarta arrives!

[10:28:55]

stuarta:

for the frontend as well for some crazy reason...

[10:29:02]

stuarta:

Merlin83b: morning :)

[10:29:07]

Merlin83b:

Hiya

[10:29:21]

Merlin83b:

So I have new problems which I hoped to extra memory would sort.

[10:29:27]

Merlin83b:

No more swap usage so we can rule that one out!

[10:29:33]

stuarta:

i'd need to try profiling with eit disabled to find out if that's where the QStrings are getting hammered.

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Dibblah:

stuarta: It is.

[10:29:59]

Dibblah:

I'm running with EIT disabled and don't see that.

[10:30:03]

stuarta:

Dibblah: that'd be my thought as well.

[10:30:12]

stuarta:

Merlin83b: what's broken today?

[10:30:13]

Merlin83b:

Do you watch Futurama, stuarta?

[10:30:36]

stuarta:

yup, sadly i've recorded/watched & deleted all of them

[10:30:44]

Merlin83b:

Have you seen the ep Time Keeps On Slipping, with the chronotons and the Harlem Globetrotters?

[10:30:51]

Ruleke:

I lost all my futurama recordings :/

[10:30:53]

stuarta:

yup

[10:31:04]

Dibblah:

Wish there was some way to do 'total time spent inside function x' in oprofile / opannotate :(

[10:31:12]

Merlin83b:

My recordings are like that. They keep skipping chunks.

[10:31:31]

Dibblah:

Rather than 'total time spent executing code which is in function x'...

[10:31:51]

stuarta:

assume you've verified your db isn't corrupt (esp. recordedmarkup)???

[10:32:12]

Merlin83b:

Did the optimize/repair contrib script and it says all is well.

[10:32:44]

stuarta:

Dibblah: there might be, but i'd expect to have to insert some profiling calls in the code

[10:32:46]

Merlin83b:

I'd look through the log but my IP has changed and your suggestion of using the router's built in dyndns.org stuff means I can't get at it now :-(

[10:33:07]

stuarta:

it don't work?

[10:33:13]

Merlin83b:

Seems not to.

[10:33:21]

Merlin83b:

Had a couple of changes and each time it doesn't update.

[10:33:21]

stuarta:

useless router.

[10:33:33]

stuarta:

not a netgear is it?

[10:33:47]

Merlin83b:

Linsys

[10:33:51]

Merlin83b:

Erm linksys

[10:34:02]

Dagmar:

Hmm... It may be in need of a firmware update

[10:34:11]

stuarta:

can't get mine to stay up during a storm.

[10:34:24]

Dagmar:

stuarta: Dude! Buy a UPS!

[10:34:26]

Merlin83b:

They have pills for that these days, stuarta.

[10:34:39]

Merlin83b:

Dagmar: I checked wuite recently and was ont he latest but I'll check again.

[10:34:45]

Dagmar:

Power spikes and noise in the lines do damage to chips over time

[10:34:57]

quicksilver:

which is good

[10:35:00]

stuarta:

Dagmar: by stay up I mean stay connected to the ISP in a manner that still allows communication.

[10:35:01]

Ruleke:

Merlin83b: those routers don't work with dyndns other than dyndns.org or something... friend of mine has a linksys too, and dyndns.tv doesn't work, yet dyndns.org or whatever does... go figure

[10:35:03]

quicksilver:

it's an excuse to buy new shiny stuff!

[10:35:08]

Dagmar:

Just because lightning doesn't strike the house and turn it into superheated plasma doesn't mean those electrical storms aren't affecting your equipment.

[10:35:20]

Merlin83b:

Ruleke: It's set to use dyndns.org.

[10:35:27]

Ruleke:

well then that's not it :)

[10:35:35]

Merlin83b:

Thanks :-P

[10:35:40]

Dagmar:

quicksilver: Problem is that you usually spend months tolerating the now flaky, unstable/damaged stuff before you get to that point

[10:36:31]

stuarta:

Dagmar: it's their code that's crap.

[10:37:22]

stuarta:

all day thurs, I could get a TCP connection, but UDP was failing (ie. no DNS)

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Dagmar:

You're aware that routers don't actually give a damn what protocol they're sending, right?

[10:37:54]

Merlin83b:

So anyway, you haven't heard of the skipping thing before?

[10:38:09]

stuarta:

of course. it's just shit

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Dagmar:

Only something doing masquerading is going to care, and in those cases, if it's screwing up it's more likely to be the hardware than anything esle.

[10:38:28]

stuarta:

Merlin83b: not without the database being corrupt

[10:38:55]

Merlin83b:

I'll check on that again later on. How would that cause little skips though?

[10:39:15]

Merlin83b:

Would that cause them in the playback or the recording? I haven't tried playing back on my desktop yet.

[10:39:35]

stuarta:

also try mplayer playback for comparison

[10:40:16]

Merlin83b:

So it's the internal player playback rather than the recording at fault if the db is currupt?

[10:40:57]

stuarta:

generally, since info from recordedmarkup is used during playback, whereas mplayer etc don't have that info

[10:41:15]

Merlin83b:

I see. I'll have a go later on and let you know. Thanks.

[10:41:57]

stuarta:

can also try using mythcommflag to rebuild the seektable.

[10:42:32]

Merlin83b:

Right, I'll have a play later and see.

[10:49:12]

Taskinen:

I upgraded from 0.19-fixes to 0.20. In backend logs, is these "match[0]: 0 '' vs. ''" lines normal? Also it seems that mysqld is producing ~1.40 loads (with 0.19-fixes) they used to be ~0.00 in the long run

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stuarta:

the "match..." lines are normal...

[10:52:18]

** stuarta thinks about modifying the verbose level of those messages... **

[10:53:08]

Taskinen:

so it is doing some database migrating, thus the mysql load?

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stuarta:

Taskinen: you using EIT data?

[10:53:42]

Taskinen:

stuarta: yes

[10:54:05]

stuarta:

most likely that then.

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Ruleke:

I've never seen huge loads because of EIT myself... strange

[11:00:03]

Ruleke:

or is my EIT dataset just insanely small maybe... hmm

[11:00:07]

stuarta:

we made sure it wasn't huge :)

[11:00:22]

Ruleke:

well it runs on a p2–300 here... :P

[11:00:51]

stuarta:

the uk is the worst due to all the fixups done to the data...

[11:01:06]

Ruleke:

oicd

[11:01:17]

Ruleke:

no fixups here I guess

[11:01:21]

Ruleke:

what sort of fixups

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stuarta:

EIT data is of the form Title/Description munged to Title/Subtitle/Description

[11:02:34]

stuarta:

plus annoying things regexp'd out, and flags set from little things in the data..

[11:03:26]

Taskinen:

yes, it seems that mysqld is doing some replaces and deletes to eit_cache table

[11:03:37]

Taskinen:

well, let's just wait and see if it calms down

[11:03:49]

stuarta:

Taskinen: it'll keep doing that

[11:04:14]

stuarta:

it now uses a cache to determine if the EIT data has been seen before.

[11:04:58]

Taskinen:

hmm, then I'll have to take a look what process is causing those loads

[11:06:20]

stuarta:

out of interest. how did you determine it was doing replaces & deletes on eit_cache table?

[11:06:40]

Taskinen:

by looking /var/log/mysql/

[11:07:01]

stuarta:

the bin logs?

[11:07:07]

Taskinen:

yes

[11:07:33]

stuarta:

makes sense, have them turned off to conserve space.

[11:08:02]

Taskinen:

seems a good idea, 187 MB of logs

[11:08:29]

stuarta:

not needed in a single box setup...

[11:09:51]

Taskinen:

maybe I should reset the mythconverg database and start all over again

[11:10:01]

stuarta:

why?

[11:10:44]

Taskinen:

ok, I guess not then :)

[11:11:03]

Taskinen:

I just thought that maybe those old 0.19-fixes entries are causing some extra work

[11:11:17]

stuarta:

nope.

[11:11:31]

stuarta:

no point in losing all your recording history...

[11:11:54]

Taskinen:

ok, thanks for the info!

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Dibblah:

A new proginfo for every program. Well, it ensures the data is clean, at least. Efficiency rating of somewhat close to 0, though.

[11:17:00]

Dibblah:

(in mythfilldatabase)

[11:25:55]

LabMonkey:

goddamnit

[11:26:52]

LabMonkey:

I go to the trouble of chaning my desktop setup so that gdm auto logs in my tv user after 10 seconds and starts a session *without* gnome

[11:27:11]

LabMonkey:

now suddenly either my recordings have no sound or the frontend isn't outputting the sound

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[11:28:14]

LabMonkey:

also

[11:28:35]

LabMonkey:

I pull gnome out of the equation and I'm getting the wrong damn desktop size

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[11:33:13]

Dagmar:

So you're launching the frontend through that user's xinitrc?

[11:33:23]

Dagmar:

I have good news and bad news...

[11:33:33]

Dagmar:

Actually, the bad news isn't even all that bad.

[11:33:48]

LabMonkey:

well

[11:33:53]

LabMonkey:

there's one other factor

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stuarta:

s/bad/slightly unhappy/ ??

[11:34:02]

LabMonkey:

I also upgraded to 0.20

[11:34:27]

Dagmar:

The good news is that if you'll check the Wiki for "DisplaySize" it will tell you how to specify the height and width of the display in your xorg.conf so that the DPI of the display is *always* 100DPI, which is something Myth depends on, although it screws up much less with 0.20 than it did with 0.19

[11:34:45]

Dagmar:

The "bad news" is that you might have to break out a pocket calculator if you have a strange resolution

[11:35:08]

LabMonkey:

well

[11:35:13]

Dagmar:

I made sure everything in that section is as crystal clear as possible. If the word "DisplaySize" in what you're looking at is blue, click on it and you'll get the really explicit details

[11:35:26]

LabMonkey:

when I fire up gdm it comes up in 1280x720 like it should

[11:41:08]

LabMonkey:

what's most pissing me off right now is not having sound

[11:43:58]

LabMonkey:

ok

[11:44:00]

LabMonkey:

that's better

[11:44:07]

LabMonkey:

somehow I'd gotten esd fired up

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Dagmar:

Ahh, yeah you don't really need esd

[11:52:42]

Dagmar:

If you've got a soundblaster-series card you don't need ESD in any case. it's only really needed as a substitute for hardware mixing of multiple sound streams, and while ALSA's dmix can do that, it's kind of a bitch

[11:58:58]

Dagmar:

I didn't even know what the deal was that people were having at first with sounds stopping and "queuing up" because I've just always bought SoundBlaster cards, and have been using SBLive! cards since they came out. Everything just always played fine for me. :)

[11:59:44]

Dagmar:

I was getting kind of disappointed that one of the useful things esd can do is cache a sound so that it can be played instantaneously so there's no lag of opening and reading the file, and no one ever seemed interested in using that feature except for Rasterman and E

[12:01:21]

Ruleke:

what about remote sound ;)

[12:01:43]

Dagmar:

If I want remote sound, I'll use an ssh pipe. :)

[12:01:52]

Dagmar:

I get into trouble using remote sound.

[12:02:14]

Dagmar:

I do things like play clips from horror movies through speakers on the racked machines in other people's NOCs.

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Paladine:

you work in a noc?

[12:06:02]

Dagmar:

Yep

[12:06:11]

Paladine:

nocs are fun

[12:06:16]

Ruleke:

nocs are boring

[12:06:17]

Ruleke:

tbh

[12:06:21]

Paladine:

you have a big wall of huge plasma displays?

[12:06:25]

Dagmar:

Most importantly, they're _climate controlled_

[12:06:28]

Dagmar:

No.

[12:06:39]

Dagmar:

Just four plasma displays and two six foot projection screens. :)

[12:06:40]

Paladine:

just a baby noc then?

[12:06:44]

Paladine:

ahhh

[12:06:45]

Paladine:

hehehe

[12:06:50]

Paladine:

who's noc

[12:07:57]

Paladine:

I've been in a few big NOCs always thought they are exactly how I would like my bedroom to look

[12:08:13]

Ruleke:

lol

[12:08:23]

Ruleke:

your gf must love the coziness

[12:08:51]

Paladine:

been in above net, globix, level3 and someone elses who I can't remember the name of, nocs

[12:08:56]

Dagmar:

For awhile my bedroom looked like it was half-NOC while I was in SF

[12:09:13]

Dagmar:

I had a wall "missing" in my room, so I basically filled it with racks and computers.

[12:09:18]

Ruleke:

romantic

[12:09:21]

Ruleke:

and warm too :)

[12:09:33]

Dagmar:

Lots of nice white noise, and it kept the apartment warm in the winter.

[12:09:35]

Paladine:

I think my left monitor is on the way out

[12:09:43]

Dagmar:

...of course it was San Francisco, so it didn't take much heat.

[12:10:08]

Paladine:

the time I spent in SF I was in a very dodgy hostel just off the mission

[12:10:16]

Dagmar:

I like the airlocks some places like FirstWorld have

[12:10:25]

Dagmar:

Oooh that's kinda axiomatic

[12:10:29]

Dagmar:

"dodgy" and "just off Mission"

[12:10:37]

Paladine:

hehehe

[12:10:48]

Paladine:

but you could buy 2 watermelons for a buck

[12:10:58]

Dagmar:

...and all the blowfish you could carry.

[12:11:17]

Paladine:

I spent the day playing my guitar at the big park at the end of fisherman's wharf

[12:11:44]

Paladine:

after getting totally tanked on coctails in some bar on fishermans wharf

[12:12:02]

Paladine:

was certainly an interesting 2 days

[12:12:17]

Paladine:

then I made the sensible choice and went to napa :)

[12:12:56]

Paladine:

and Napa rocks

[12:13:57]

Paladine:

mind you taking the greyhound from sf to napa is kinda scarey cos it stopsin oakland hehe

[12:13:59]

antiPosix:

I got lirc to work!

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Dagmar:

What's good to buy there is _leather_

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[12:16:07]

Dagmar:

Freaking six-seat sectional overstuffed leather couches cost about $2k

[12:16:21]

Dagmar:

I got my trenchcoat at a shop on Haight for $150

[12:16:26]

Paladine:

Dagmar, I spent almost 3 months living in napa drinking in O'Sullivans bar from opening to close hehe

[12:16:32]

Dagmar:

Black, leather, and full-length like god intended.

[12:16:56]

Paladine:

andplaying my guitar on a live monday night chat show on their PBS

[12:17:01]

Dagmar:

I usually did my drinking in a place called Noc-Noc on Haight because it's so surreal. Well, there and the DNA Lounge.

[12:17:14]

Dagmar:

JWZ has a nice club'

[12:17:16]

Paladine:

Dagmar, I worked the door at the Lamplighter

[12:17:55]

Dagmar:

Never even went there once

[12:18:03]

Paladine:

you ain't missing much

[12:18:07]

Paladine:

rough as hell

[12:18:09]

Dagmar:

You should have tried the Sake Tasting Museum. :)

[12:18:16]

Dagmar:

I decided to do that one day.

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Dagmar:

I took the train out there, since I kept seeing it on my way to work.

[12:18:29]

Paladine:

I dunno if the musem was there when I was

[12:18:41]

Dagmar:

It was only like a 10 block walk from the train station to the place, and I damn near couldn't find my way back

[12:18:42]

Paladine:

Robert Montgavy was just building a Wine Museum place

[12:19:03]

Dagmar:

Those little people were working hard to get me to try every kinda sake around

[12:19:08]

Paladine:

I had some very crazy times in Napa

[12:19:23]

Dagmar:

I almost miss the earthquakes

[12:19:32]

Paladine:

spent the first 3 weeks livingin a tent up in the national park

[12:19:47]

Dagmar:

*sigh* It's a shame about that

[12:19:55]

Paladine:

then they booted me out so I wouldn't claim squatters rights

[12:20:01]

Dagmar:

With no natural enemies and no climate pressures, the homeless are overbreeding

[12:20:20]

Paladine:

so I moved into some duplex with a drinking buddy

[12:21:00]

Paladine:

did some cool stuff with the PBS though

[12:21:10]

Paladine:

I was there in 99 when th Napa airshow returned after 10 years

[12:21:31]

Paladine:

went up in a Pitt biplane with a camera and shot a bunch of stunts from inside the cockpit

[12:22:13]

Paladine:

I was the presenter for the 1 hour show about the airshow

[12:22:28]

Paladine:

soent the entire weekend there with an all accesspass

[12:22:36]

quicksilver:

[12:22:40]

Paladine:

interviewed the Stoli Mig guys and abunch of other people

[12:23:34]

Paladine:

ate entirely too many free Jelly Bellies

[12:23:46]

Paladine:

drunk entirely too much tequila

[12:23:59]

Paladine:

mind you that was pretty much par for the course during my entire time in Napa lol

[12:24:21]

Paladine:

actually that was pretty much par for the course my entire time in the US

[12:24:33]

Paladine:

moved to virginia after Napa

[12:24:41]

Paladine:

did the whole green card marriage thing

[12:24:43]

Ruleke:

you have a myth recording of all this right ?

[12:24:44]

Paladine:

worst mistake of my life

[12:24:58]

Paladine:

I doubt myth even existed then

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Ruleke:

in case we need to help with say any mythtv related stuff in this channel :P

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Paladine:

Ruleke, its not like anyone is asking myth questions :p

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Paladine:

I wonder if I am the only person ever to be married by a sheriff in an internet cafe hehe

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Ruleke:

coutnign nightmares ? no :)

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Ruleke:

gah I can't type with this keyb :)

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briand:

is anybody (else) having any issues with the OSD program guide in 0.20 ?

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pluesch0r:

evening! i'm using a tv card with saa7134 chipset in my debian backend and want to display the tv screen on my powerbook which is running osx. so far, everything works nicely – except for the sound. i'd like to use saa7134-alsa on the backend, however, setting alsa:default in my mythtv-setup does not work. every time i go back to the setup screen, it tells me that /dev/dsp is being used. what do i need to do to get this to

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Taskinen:

pluesch0r: just out of curiosity, what mythbackend version you are using and if 0.20 where did you get the osx frontend?

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pluesch0r:

Taskinen: i'm using version 0.19, got the frontend precompiled from the url that's listed in the wiki.

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Taskinen:

pluesch0r: ok, i guess there is no 0.20 frontend for osx yet

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pluesch0r:

Taskinen: there is. but a 0.20 backend would require me to update too much other software on my server.

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Taskinen:

oh, I'll have to check that out

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Paladine:

http://www.bbspot.com/News/2003/07/unix_mascots.html

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stuarta:

hehe.. that's funny

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Steak:

haha thats great paladine

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Paladine:

yeah made me giggle :)

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rushfan:

Anyone here?

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r10:

hi

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rushfan:

I'm getting this error from mythtv: http://monoport.com/1375

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rushfan:

So I took a sick day today to fix it. hah

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rushfan:

Oh well. Gotta do watcha gotta do. ;-)

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stuarta:

looks like you are trying to build with gcc3 and the libs are built with gcc4

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rushfan:

:|

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rushfan:

But I don't even have gcc3

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rushfan:

Or do I?

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rushfan:

I better look into this.

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rushfan:

Nope. I only have 4.1.1

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rushfan:

And I recompiled my entire system

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stuarta:

or vice versa.

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rushfan:

Should I try recompiling again?

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r10:

what do I need to do to fix the sound on the new internal DVD player (my sound is okay else) ?

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stuarta:

rushfan: looks like you need to rebuild qt & plugins.

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rushfan:

I already tried rebuilding qt.

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stuarta:

plugins?

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rushfan:

Err, which plugins?

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stuarta:

qt plugins

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rushfan:

Right now QT 3 and 4 are re-compiling. Just to be safe

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rushfan:

Hmm. Are those seperate from QT?

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rushfan:

Like I'm compiling QT-4.1.4 right now. Qt 3 is next

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stuarta:

not familiar with the qt build, but they are normally packaged separately

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rushfan:

Ok. I'll just search for all packages related to QT

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stuarta:

it's complaining specifically about the mysql db plugin for qt3

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rushfan:

Odd, because mythtv worked fine. But then I did a system update and mythtv stopped working. :(

[13:55:27]

rushfan:

Ok

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Tronic:

IIRC, Gentoo's emerge -e world may not recompile packages using multiple slots.

[13:56:12]

rushfan:

Ok.

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Tronic:

qt-3 being an example of this (only qt-4 getting compiled).

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rushfan:

Well I already recompiled QT. Now I'll try the plugins. :|

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Tronic:

Portage really requires improvement in terms of dep handling.,

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r10:

how do I setup the internal DVD player ?

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rushfan:

I don't se any packages with just the libs.

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rushfan:

Tronic: well it works great for installing things, however the real problem is that when you uninstall things you get stuck with tons of useless deps.

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rushfan:

I really like portage though. Sometimes, yes, it can be a pain though. Like now

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Tronic:

rushfan: emerge --depclean should do that.

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Tronic:

However, it also often breaks the system due to packages having b0rked deps.

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rushfan:

Yeah. Thus I don't use it./

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rushfan:

Revdep-rebuild also fails to find a-lot of problems. A-lot of times you have to manually enter package names.

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rushfan:

MY system was broken yesterday. Obviously its still broken

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Tronic:

I use that once in a while, then manually reinstall the packages that shouldn't have been removed.

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Tronic:

revdep-rebuild NEVER worked for me.

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Tronic:

Really, never. I have frequently tried it, on several machines, but every time with no luck.

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Tronic:

Most of the time it is unable to resolve something and won't even start the actual build.

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rushfan:

Same.

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rushfan:

Portage has gotten better though. And I think its better than apt-get

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rushfan:

Granted I think having a source based distribution is more complex than a binary distribution

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Tronic:

IMO Portage was better than apt-get since the beginning (of my Gentoo using), but it also hasn't improved much since then.

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r10:

how do I setup the internal DVD player ?

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rushfan:

Tronic: True. Do you still use Gentoo?

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rushfan:

r10: You mean for mythtv?

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rushfan:

You need MythDVD plugin

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rushfan:

iirc

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r10:

rushfan: yes the on it that

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r10:

rushfan: I have the internal dvdv player, and I can play dvd's

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r10:

rushfan: BUT, the sound i fuckt

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rushfan:

fuckt?

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r10:

rushfan: only noise

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r10:

rushfan: when I play normal video or mp3 then the sound is okay

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Tronic:

rushfan: Yes.

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Tronic:

I no longer use Debian, though, as most of my machines are at least partially desktop.

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Tronic:

This server that I am ircing on could easily run Debian, but it's got Gentoo on it and it hasn't required a reinstall...

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rushfan:

Yeah. I like Gentoo because most things can be fixed.

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rushfan:

I don't know if I'd use it as a server, but for desktop its great.

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rushfan:

I suppose I'd just be super careful if I used it as a server

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r10:

rushfan: then can you tell me how I fix the sound in the internal DVD play ? :)

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rushfan:

r10: Unfortunately I have nif

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rushfan:

nfi*

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rushfan:

:(

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rushfan:

Well, let me think about tihs.

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rushfan:

Are you using ALSA?

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r10:

rushfan: I do not know, is there a way which I can check ?

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rushfan:

... Which distribution do you have?

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rushfan:

I'm sure you use alsa. So we'll assume yes.

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rushfan:

What soudcard do you have/does it have hardware mixing?

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r10:

rushfan: Gentoo, and the mixer is on devsoundmixer

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r10:

rushfan: and I do not know the name of my sound card it is a onbord card

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rushfan:

Prolly AC'97 then

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r10:

rushfan: I do not know, it is on my VIA EPIA main bord

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rushfan:

r10: Try #gentoo

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r10:

rushfan: I do not thing it is a gentoo problem, for all other players (xine,mplayer, xine and xmms) can play sound

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rushfan:

Hmm...

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rushfan:

That's bloody odd. :(

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rushfan:

I wish I could be more help.

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r10:

okay

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GreyFoxx:

r10: What do you have your audio output and mixer set to right now ?

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r10:

GreyFoxx: in mythtv it is set right, and the mythtv plugin for mp3's can play sound

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GreyFoxx:

that's not what I asked you

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r10:

GreyFoxx: is it what it is set to in mythtv ?

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rushfan:

No,no,no

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rushfan:

Do you use KDE or Gnome or something else?

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r10:

fvwm

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rushfan:

Hmm. Try running alsamix

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rushfan:

(I think thats what its called)

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GreyFoxx:

r10: Correct, what do you havbe them set to in myth ?

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r10:

q3rz

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r10:

GreyFoxx: sound is /dev/dsp and mixer is /dev/sound/mixer

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GreyFoxx:

Just for sh*ts n giggles

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GreyFoxx:

try "ALSA:default" for the output, and "default" for the mixer

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caitlin:

any of you lot using a pci nova-t with 0.2? my lirc stuff seems shafted, i was wondering if i could borrow someones config files for a look see...

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caitlin:

i had it all working in 0.18, but it's off it's face in 0.2

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r10:

GreyFoxx: now I have no sound

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GreyFoxx:

Using what I just gave you ?

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r10:

GreyFoxx: yes

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GreyFoxx:

Cool :)

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seth|laptop:

any one have any idea why mythweb would just start working?

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seth|laptop:

er rather "stop" working

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r10:

GreyFoxx: have you any thing else I can try ? or is it broken ?

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seth|laptop:

is there a command that must be run to start up mythweb?

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GreyFoxx:

doh, I missed that, I read "now I have sound" . missed the "no" hehe

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Anduin:

seth|laptop: No, it just needs the DB and backend running, describe your breakage.

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GreyFoxx:

r10 from a commandline run alsamixer

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GreyFoxx:

and sure you turn up the volume on everything and that everything is unmuted

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r10:

GreyFoxx: okay, I just need to emerge it, just on sec

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seth|laptop:

Anduin, this morning I get to work, and I use mythweb to schedule my recordings for the day, now The webbrowser just say "network error" and that the server may be busy, or not running

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r10:

GreyFoxx: I have sound in the internal dvd player, but just noise :(

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seth|laptop:

yet I can webmin right into the box, and everything there works

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Anduin:

seth|laptop: The backend is still up?

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seth|laptop:

yes

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GreyFoxx:

r10: So you've no used alsa mixer to unmute and turn up the volume on all outputs ?

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GreyFoxx:

s/no/now

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seth|laptop:

well let me double check, hang on

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seth|laptop:

backend is running

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kieran491:

hi

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kieran491:

is there any good documentation on setting up a myth server and a myth slave for the server

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Anduin:

seth|laptop: If you look at the backend log do you see mythweb trying to connect (there should be a MainServer::HandleAnnounce)

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r10:

GreyFoxx: now I am, but same thing, onlu noise when I play a dvd via the internal DVD play :(

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tank-man:

kieran491, yes, at the mythtv site

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kieran491:

i have been on there many times looking for it but i cant find it

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tank-man:

http://www.mythtv.org/modules.php?name=MythInstall

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kieran491:

there nothing in there as far as i havve read that say anything about a slave computer

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tank-man:

yes there is

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kieran491:

what the topic called then?

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tank-man:

i dont know off the top of my head

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tank-man:

what do you want to know about slave ?

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seth|laptop:

Anduin, it is running, just finished commflagging a job

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kieran491:

well i have a masterbackend but it has no more free pci slots and it has no TV card in it but i have other computers laying around that have free pci slots so i want to know how to set up a slave computer

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tank-man:

you set it up the same as the master backend

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caitlin:

backend clustering?

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kieran491:

ehh?

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tank-man:

main backend should have one tv card in it

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kieran491:

it cant it lituerly a server computer

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kieran491:

it has no more free pci slots

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tank-man:

:(

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kieran491:

yeah i know

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tank-man:

is your masterbackend already setup?

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kieran491:

cloose to been

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kieran491:

what fonts dose mythtv-setup use?

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kieran491:

when trying to use mythtv-setup thought ssh i dont get to see what the text is all i see is these blank boxes any ideas why?

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stuarta:

the X server on your local side doesn't have a required font

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rushfan:

How do I dump everything in my computers memory?

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rushfan:

Like, I want to kill X and totally wipe out the RAM

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stuarta:

unplug it?

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GreyFoxx:

lol

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rushfan:

Possible. How bout w/o shutting down?

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GreyFoxx:

You can't

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rushfan:

Woops. This isnt the chan I thought I was in

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rushfan:

lol

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afrosheen:

nope at the very least the kernel and a handful of daemons will continue to run

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rushfan:

Once I recompile mythtv, could the old version still be loaded into my meory?

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rushfan:

Well I want to clear mythtv from my memory, specifically

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stuarta:

what about while(1) { malloc(bigsize); }

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kieran491:

hmm

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GreyFoxx:

rushfan: well, close the application and you will be fine

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rushfan:

Ok

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qu0zl:

ps -ef | grep -i myth

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qu0zl:

to check for any processes hanging around

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kieran491:

stuarta i have mythtv installed on the local side thought

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afrosheen:

rushfan: /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend stop ; killall -9 mythfrontend

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rushfan:

afrosheen: That'd be ngc -d mythbackend for me :D

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kieran491:

i found the problem

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afrosheen:

rushfan: well you get the picture :)

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rushfan:

You guys should all use initng too

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kieran491:

my computer i was sshing into did not have corefonts installed (windows fonts)

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afrosheen:

rushfan: some distros use service instead

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rushfan:

afrosheen: service? You mean sysv?

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afrosheen:

yeah where you can do 'service apache restart'

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rushfan:

Oh

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rushfan:

Well my distro came w/ the /etc/init.d/ nonsense but I migrated to initn

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rushfan:

initng*

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stuarta:

bah! /etc/init.d is the way forward....

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rushfan:

Bah! /etc/init.d is old and deprecated. InitNG = Next Generation :D

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** GreyFoxx is quite happy with /etc/rc.d/rc.* **

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rushfan:

rc.d?

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stuarta:

<soap box> horse shit. /etc/init.d/ is the *unix way* </soap box>

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GreyFoxx:

rushfan: Yup

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stuarta:

goes with init.d :)

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rushfan:

Oh

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afrosheen:

bah

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rushfan:

InitNG is faster. :P

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stuarta:

unlikely

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rushfan:

So when I restart once every three months my computer boots up faster than with sysvinit

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rushfan:

lol

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afrosheen:

those dudes just need to shave their beards and get on with it

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Merlin83b:

lol

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GreyFoxx:

Please, executing scripts in linear order will take the same time no matter where they are :)

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rushfan:

InitNG doesnt use a linear order.

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rushfan:

Ok, maybe it does, but.... lol

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stuarta:

going parallel doesn't matter if you still have to go linear on your IO

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GreyFoxx:

And depending on the script you might WANT it to belinear if app A must be running before app b

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GreyFoxx:

otherwise just add a & to each call if you don't care

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GreyFoxx:

For instance, I WANT mysqld to be up before mythbackend, BUT I don't care if apache is up before either of them

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rushfan:

Well initng figures all that crap out for you.

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Anduin:

That is why they introduce dependencies

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GreyFoxx:

lol

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rushfan:

I think most init systems do.

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rushfan:

Provided you list what the services depend on

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rushfan:

Now what if two services depend on each other?

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GreyFoxx:

rushfan:I've never seen such a thing

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GreyFoxx:

it's a ridiculous requirement

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rushfan:

I just had to ask.

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rushfan:

lol

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rushfan:

I guess that is like the concept of boot-strapping

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GreyFoxx:

hehe remembers when he wrote his own init, it was like 3 lines of code heh

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Merlin83b:

* stuarta fails

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** stuarta feeds the worms to Merlin83b **

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Merlin83b:

Mmm, worms.

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** rushfan needs to go to memorize 14 polyatomic ions **

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rushfan:

later

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rushfan:

hopefully mythtv will be functioning when I get bakc

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kieran491:

hi

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kieran491:

trying to set up my mythtv backend and i get this error

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kieran491:

` 2006-09–18 15:41:32.872 Please wait while MythTV retrieves the list of available channels / sh: tv_grab_au: command not found ` what have i forgoten to install?

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rushfan:

the au use flag?

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rushfan:

do emerge emerge -pv mythtv

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stuarta:

kieran491: tv_grab_au is missing. xmltv-utils

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kieran491:

[ebuild R ] media-tv/mythtv-0.19_p9163-r1 USE="-alsa (-altivec) -backendonly -dbox2 -debug -dvb -dvd -frontendonly -ieee1394 -jack -joystick -lcd -lirc -mmx -opengl -vorbis -xvmc" VIDEO_CARDS="i810 via -nvidia" 0 kB

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Juski:

morning

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stuarta:

Juski: morning?

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stuarta:

maybe in .au

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rushfan:

Hmm...

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Juski:

heheh. 1st time I've been in all day. 1st day at the new building

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rushfan:

You might want to fix your useflags

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rushfan:

No opengl or alsa?

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rushfan:

How are you going to hear anything?

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kieran491:

its server only

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stuarta:

Juski: nice shiny new building..?

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rushfan:

Ohh

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Juski:

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rushfan:

I think there is an au useflag

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stuarta:

kieran491: you are missing tv_grab_au. you need to install the xmltv grabbers...

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kieran491:

hmm

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kieran491:

i have installed

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kieran491:

xmltv

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rushfan:

Well there is a useflag for Australia

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Juski:

stuarta: yeah nice & shiny. 65 mile round trip & it took less time today than going 20 miles round trip. figure that one out

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rushfan:

If I remember correctly.,

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Merlin83b:

Juski: Did you do it at a weird time or will that be typical of your commute?

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stuarta:

kieran491: try running tv_grab_au on the command line

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Juski:

Merlin83b: fairly typical

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kieran491:

i dont have tv_grab

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Merlin83b:

Excellent, given that was a big concern (iirc) of yours :-)

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stuarta:

Juski: going the opposite way to everyone else?

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kieran491:

i have tv_grep

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Juski:

m56 was eerily quiet both ways

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SlicerDicer-:

Cardoe: you here?

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stuarta:

repeat after me. I will install tv_grab_au before trying to use it....

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bengoodger:

incidentally, congrats to the dev team on making 20 bloody good

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afrosheen:

20's internal player blows goats though

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kieran491:

stuarta repeat after me tv_grab_au apparently dose not come with mythtv or xmltv somthing i had to find out

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GreyFoxx:

afrosheen: The internal player works perfectly for me, what problems are you having ?

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bengoodger:

I still haven't got my myth box set up ^^

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GreyFoxx:

I think I've had 3 glitches with the internal player in the last year+, but Isaac fixed those right away

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stuarta:

kieran491: okay, so it's not currently part of the xmltv package. first thing i found http://immir.com/tv_grab_au

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afrosheen:

GreyFoxx: the internal player will chunk then crash on DVD playback during fast forwarding

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afrosheen:

GreyFoxx: also if you rip a dvd and play that file back, that'll send the internal player to hell also

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Anduin:

afrosheen: submit reproducible bugs against it

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GreyFoxx:

afrosheen: Send in a trac report. Detail what video and a backtrace woudl be nice

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afrosheen:

Anduin: the fast foward dvd is very reproducible

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GreyFoxx:

It wont get fixed if users don't pass in info

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afrosheen:

my wife threw the remote at me

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afrosheen:

so I switched to xine...which crashes the frontend upon exiting playing vcds

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GreyFoxx:

I fastforward/rewind all the time with no problem, if you can reproduce it then it will help to fix it

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afrosheen:

GreyFoxx: encrypted or unencryped dvds?

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GreyFoxx:

afrosheen: All encrypted/real

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afrosheen:

yeah mine are too

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afrosheen:

it was Aliens (alien 2) that was doing it the other day...

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GreyFoxx:

Submit a ticket to track, be sure to detail the DVD. And if you wanna submit a backtrace it would be very helpful in finding the problem

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afrosheen:

will do

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afrosheen:

however wasn't .20 patched to .20a or something recently

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Anduin:

afrosheen: Which did nothing for the internal player

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GreyFoxx:

That was a mythweb thing

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afrosheen:

I see

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GreyFoxx:

but there is a 0.20-fixes branch

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GreyFoxx:

I haven't looked to see whats' gone in it

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afrosheen:

also has anyone had problems with HD playback under .20

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GreyFoxx:

Unfortunately I only have a single 1080i sample file to play with, no real HD source at the moment

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afrosheen:

I'm using firewire from my DCT-6412, it chunks hardcore without XvMC, with XvMC it's playable but very slow to start..wondering if it's my box or what

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GreyFoxx:

Happily my xp2500+ plays my 1080i sample without any need for hardware help

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GreyFoxx:

my other frontends haven't a chance in hell of playing it :)

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afrosheen:

GreyFoxx: you DO use XvMC with it right?

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GreyFoxx:

Nop

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GreyFoxx:

e

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afrosheen:

coz mine is an xp2800

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GreyFoxx:

I don't use XvMC on anything

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seth|laptop:

Thanks for the knoppmyth popst Grey, fixed me right up!! :-)

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seth|laptop:

popst = post

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GreyFoxx:

my xp2500+ (512 meg of ram, running Slackware) is also my master backend with 3 pvr 250's in it

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GreyFoxx:

plays 1080i without a problem with the internal player

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GreyFoxx:

I haven't tried mplayer or anything with it

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** seth|laptop has to use XvMC on his HD OTA playback, on a Sempron 3000+ or gets a pause every 2 seconds **

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GreyFoxx:

http://pastebin.ca/175201 That's the info on thee sample.

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GreyFoxx:

in fact, mplayer is showing 57% CPU usage playing ti according to top, and mythtv is using 72%. Both are lower than I would have expected

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rushfan:

Now the tes.t

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** GreyFoxx heads to the gym **

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rushfan:

Will mythtv work?

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Juski:

rushfan: how many goats have you sacrificed today?

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rushfan:

How do I create group mythtv again?

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Paladine:

wow it amazes me how well made serial cables are

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rushfan:

Juski: 45, since thats my favorite channel number

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seth|laptop:

does the internal player exist in all version of mythv, i.e knoppmyth – r5c7, mythtv version .19 fixes?

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Juski:

seth|laptop: from 0.19 onwards to varying degrees

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Juski:

internal player didn't do dvd menus til 0.20

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rushfan:

Do you use gpasswd to create groups in linux?

[16:16:19]

Maguz:

does mythtv work with mysql 5.0, I have trouble with mythv not being able to connect to db

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seth|laptop:

ok, so is it just for playback, or can it be used for watching livetv, i.e. I know in the media settings I can change the player for videos and dvds....

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Juski:

Maguz: should do. well 0.19-fixes & later

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Maguz:

0.20, hmm it says something like "QSqlDatabase: QMYSQL3 driver not loaded"

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Anduin:

Maguz: That means you need to install the Qt MySQL driver

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Paladine:

yay!

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rushfan:

Mother f*cker! MythTV still wont work

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rushfan:

:(

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** Paladine finally manages to rip apart the serial cable to steal the plug for his IR Blaster **

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rushfan:

I'm still geting this "expected build key "x86_64 Linux g++-3.* full-config", got "x86_64 Linux g++-4 full-config" bullshit

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Anduin:

Ah yes, a well known myth problem

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rushfan:

Anduin: whats a well known myth problem?

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Maguz:

well how to install qt mysql driver

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Maguz:

or from where :)

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Anduin:

Maguz: How depends very much on your distro

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Maguz:

ubuntu 6.06

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Anduin:

Maguz: I'm mostly sure that with Ubuntu you need merely hope and it will automatically install.

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Anduin:

If that fails it looks like it is libqt3-mt-mysql there

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Maguz:

and apt-get gives E: Package libqt3-mt-mysql has no installation candidate ..

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Maguz:

is not available

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Juski:

have a butchers at this if you get a sec... http://www.mythtvtalk.com/ProjectGrayhem/videos/jus1.avi

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Anduin:

Maguz: try just qt-mysql or use apt-get's search

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rushfan:

God damn it.

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rushfan:

Can anyone figure out why my mythtv installation is giving me such crap?

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afrosheen:

geddy's high voice has warped your brain

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rushfan:

geddy rocks :P

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afrosheen:

haha put on some john denver and it'll install

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Anduin:

Juski: text seems fuzzy

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rushfan:

IT installs.

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rushfan:

I cant watch livetv

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Juski:

Anduin: that's mpeg4 for ya

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rushfan:

and it says this: http://monoport.com/1375

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Anduin:

rushfan: You have conflicting Qt libs

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rushfan:

"expected build key "x86_64 Linux g++-3.* full-config", got "x86_64 Linux g++-4 full-config""

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Juski:

that's only a low-res draft ;)

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rushfan:

Anduin: any idea how to fix that?

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finalbeta_:

I need a guide how to set mythtv up, I'm on ubuntu edgy (0.20 mythtv), found this guide, but requires me to always log in as the mythtv user.

[16:36:21]

finalbeta_:

http://parker1.co.uk/mythtv_ubuntu.php

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rushfan:

It expects the QT lib to be build with gcc 3, but I built it with gcc 4.

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rushfan:

There is no reason it should be expecting gcc 3

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rushfan:

Sounds like a bug to me :|

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Anduin:

rushfan: gentoo?

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rushfan:

Yes

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rushfan:

And why won't i emerge 2.0.,

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evil_andy:

Anduin, thanks for the help last night, I figured out what settings to use for transcoding (quality is now great) but it's giving my mpeg4 stream an extension of .nuv, not .mpg and so ffmpeg can't deal with it.any reason for that?

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evil_andy:

or does ffmpeg only deal with mpeg2

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metalac:

can anyone tell me what's the deal with those mpeg-ts, mpeg-ps, dvd-special1, etc options that are available in 0.20

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metalac:

anyone have explanation of differences?

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Anduin:

evil_andy: Yeah, I should have probably pushed you more in the mythexport direction

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metalac:

and what should be used with PVR-150

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Maguz:

I can't find this qt mysql driver..

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Maguz:

oh now I found it

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Anduin:

Maguz: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Ubuntu_Installation

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evil_andy:

Anduin, lol, it's cool :) the quality is great, and does play in mplayer at the moment. I'll take a look at mythexport today, thanks

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tam:

can anyone tell me if the usb freecom dvb-t card works with mythtv?

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stuarta:

tam: as long as you can get it to work with linux first.

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tam:

stuarta: is that the only pre-requisite?

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stuarta:

yup

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tam:

stuarta: ah, great. MCE is getting ripped off

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** tam needs something to really compliment his 40" hdtv and media centre is just crap **

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stuarta:

it may however take some work to get it working under linux.

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stuarta:

suggest you read the linuxdvb archives.

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tam:

stuarta: i'll get right on that man. thanks :)

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metalac:

so nobody knows what the differences between types of streams are?

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metalac:

i'm trying to see which one I should use and if there is any benefit of using one over the other

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afrosheen:

metalac: I'm guessing compression which affects quality and space

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metalac:

that's what I'd like to find more details on

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antiPosix:

how come when watching a recording(or liveTV) I press M and the menu looks crappy. hard to read and blurry. I imagine because its trying to be transparent? where do I turn that off?

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metalac:

antiPosix: are you using XvMC?

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antiPosix:

metalac: I do not know

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metalac:

also what resolution are you running on? try increasing TV resolution in recording profiles

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finalbeta_:

I need a guide how to set mythtv up, I'm on ubuntu edgy (0.20 mythtv), found this guide, but requires me to always log in as the mythtv user.

[17:01:49]

Anduin:

antiPosix: The OSD is also drawn at the resolution of what is being displayed

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metalac:

go to Setup>TV>Recording profiles>LiveTV

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metalac:

and max out the resolution there

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antiPosix:

1024xsomething is my res

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Anduin:

finalbeta_: So set it up for whatever user you want.

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metalac:

antiPosix: that's the myth UI resolution, not the resolution of TV stream

[17:03:21]

Anduin:

antiPosix: The resolution of the content, not your screen

[17:03:24]

antiPosix:

540xsomething

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metalac:

antiPosix: bump it up all the way and see if it changes things

[17:03:45]

antiPosix:

540x280

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metalac:

antiPosix: tha't low

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antiPosix:

its a crappy tuner (ATI TV Wonder VE )

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metalac:

antiPosix: i'm running mine at 640x480

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metalac:

antiPosix: that thing should be able to go higher I hope

[17:05:28]

antiPosix:

no, it was only $40

[17:05:58]

antiPosix:

ATI TV Wonder Pro can do better, but the VE stands for Value Edition aka crap

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gardengnome:

re

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antiPosix:

rehi

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gardengnome:

looks like the next ubuntu release will ship with mythtv 0.20 :)

[17:07:36]

antiPosix:

havent seen that in awhile

[17:07:44]

gardengnome:

https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/mythtv

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metalac:

antiPosix: should've goten PVR150 they're like less than $70 and it's the best you can get out there for analog

[17:08:11]

finalbeta_:

gardengnome, indeed, edgy ships with 0.20

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antiPosix:

where is the xml file that I can specify a larger area for my OSD

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gardengnome:

finalbeta_: that's great. 0.18 was getting a bit old :)

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antiPosix:

metalac: I'm in the market for a PVR150. the tuner I have is one that I've had for along time now

[17:09:04]

metalac:

antiPosix: well there you go they can do 720x480 and it looks just great

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antiPosix:

first things first is I will need to upgrade my CPU to be able to encode and decode that res. currently my 750Mhz Duron is doing all it can to handle my low res

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antiPosix:

my mythtv project is slow going, wife permitted, I buy a little here and there

[17:10:31]

metalac:

antiPosix: with XvMC you might be able to push that cpu a bit further, but it's not guaranteed

[17:10:43]

metalac:

ahhhh the wife factor

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antiPosix:

how do I tell if I am using XvMC

[17:10:55]

metalac:

everlasting obstacle on a path to manhood ;)

[17:11:11]

metalac:

Setup>TV>Playback

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antiPosix:

if there where more channels like Oxygen and Lifetime I would have an easier time pushing for new hardware.

[17:11:44]

antiPosix:

oh yes, and E!

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** antiPosix hangs his manhood on the coat rack **

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metalac:

well all you got to do is hook her into show that are either really late, or conflict with each other ;)

[17:12:53]

antiPosix:

if only Stargate SG1 played at the same as The View!

[17:13:04]

metalac:

aahha

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rushfan:

I'm goign to try upgrading to 0.20

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rushfan:

Lets see if that fixes my trouble

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metalac:

rushfan: what troubles?

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rushfan:

I cant watch livetv

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metalac:

any clues?

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rushfan:

And in my logs its says: "expected build key "x86_64 Linux g++-3.* full-config", got "x86_64 Linux g++-4 full-config".

[17:14:42]

rushfan:

The bizarre thing is that not only was mythtv, and my whole system, recompiled with GCC 4.1.4 weeks ago, I dont even have GCC 3

[17:14:50]

rushfan:

I just started getting this trouble after I did an emerge -DNu worrld

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rushfan:

metalac: the specific conflict is w/ Conflict in /usr/qt/3/plugins/sqldrivers/libqsqlmysql.so:

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metalac:

recompile QT

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rushfan:

I already did.

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rushfan:

Multiple times

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metalac:

how about mysql?

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rushfan:

yup

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metalac:

can you start front end from command line, let it run for a while push on "Watch TV" few times and see what you get as output

[17:17:56]

rushfan:

Yes

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rushfan:

Unfortunately 0.20 is compiling right now

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metalac:

oh

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rushfan:

You gonna be here when in like 6 minutes?

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rushfan:

'ETA: 2 minutes and 6 seconds'

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metalac:

sure

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rushfan:

cool

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rushfan:

MythTV actually let me catch my fav tv shows by automatically recording them. Now I'm sol

[17:19:09]

rushfan:

:(

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rushfan:

Until it works again

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Ribs:

My mythtv system died again

[17:20:11]

Ribs:

I've resigned to just buying a Dell now

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rushfan:

Ouch

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rushfan:

metalac is gone. :(

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rushfan:

Ribs: Did you build the first one yourself?

[17:22:14]

Ribs:

kinda

[17:22:16]

Ribs:

was a old PC

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Ribs:

I've just been unlucky with it, I think

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rushfan:

ahh

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rushfan:

bbs

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Maguz:

finally got mythtv running for the first time..next step is check if my dvb-c card is supported by linux

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alieas:

sup all

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alieas:

I've been running Myth with a pcHDTV HD-5500 and loving it. I bought a PVR-500 to add some good NTSC support, and found out that the PVR-500 is pretty much useless with my Asus-A8V motherboard. Can anyone recommend another brand of card makers for NTSC signals?

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Maguz:

ugh..terratec offers only windows drivers in their website

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Maguz:

well it works ok on windows :)

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Krazylegz:

That's it. I'm waiting for the ebuild for .20 to be available without having to be unmasked.

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** Krazylegz pushes a 4-pack of Red Bull toward Cardoe **

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finalbeta_:

is 0.20 supossed to support the mouse? I can only use tab. No mouse on the screen at all.

[17:43:29]

finalbeta_:

Oh, there is a mouse, but I can only see it inside user controls. Funny, Need good aim to find the controls :/

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rushfan:

heh

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rushfan:

Damn it, it appears mythtv 0.20 failed as well

[17:45:02]

rushfan:

Anyone ever gotten a client protocol mismatch error?

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janneg:

finalbeta_: there is somewhere in the frontend a setting

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janneg:

to display a mouse pointer

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finalbeta_:

Yep found it, would make more sense reversed, having to turn it of, because it's hard to get to the option without a pointer

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kormoc:

rushfan, restart the backend and all the frontends? they all have to be the same versions

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kormoc:

finalbeta_, myth is designed to be used with a remote, and keyboard navigation works rather well

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bengoodger:

hello all

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bengoodger:

is there anything in particular I need to know prior to setting up 20?

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briand:

yes.

[17:50:24]

bengoodger:

...and it is?

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briand:

but, since you've read the manual and all the included README and INSTALL files, I probably needn't remind you of any of that. Just go for it! :)

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bengoodger:

right-ho

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finalbeta_:

When using tvtime, I need to use the following command to get sound : sox -v 0.2 -w -c 2 -r 32000 -t ossdsp /dev/dsp1 -c 2 -r 32000 -t ossdsp /dev/dsp, apparently because I don't have a cable from my TV card to motherboard (so they told me). Can mythtv use this? Or do I need to somehow shut sound of in mythtv and use the command myself?

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kormoc:

finalbeta_, erm. if you're only gonna watch live tv, you don't need myth

[17:52:25]

kormoc:

finalbeta_, and no, you don't want to do that with myth, you just need to tell myth to record from /dev/dsp1 and playback on /dev/dsp

[17:52:33]

finalbeta_:

It's handy it can record/ time shift

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kormoc:

finalbeta_, yeah, but if you run that command with myth, you'd timeshift the video, but not the audio...

[17:53:01]

finalbeta_:

indeed

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finalbeta_:

ok, i'll try to set up myth to do what the command does.

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bengoodger:

*sings the gentoo song*

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briand:

hmm..

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briand:

if I did some editing outside of myth (cat 1.mpg 2.mpg >3.mpg; mv 1.mpg old.mpg; mv 3.mpg 1.mpg), then ran mythcommflag --rebuild ... would it be "normal" to see it's progress at 230% ?

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bengoodger:

hmm

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bengoodger:

incidentally, my company plans to sell mythtv boxes.

[18:10:34]

afrosheen:

that'd be sweet, I wouldn't want to support them though

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bengoodger:

I think the plan is to charge tons for mythtv support

[18:11:18]

briand:

hmm. well, it finally finished the rebuild at 266%, so we'll go see what it looks like...

[18:11:28]

bengoodger:

briand, this is on gentoo?

[18:11:37]

briand:

no, fedora core

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bengoodger:

there's your problem

[18:12:08]

bengoodger:

seriously though, it's likely to do with a math error somewhere in the UI code

[18:12:10]

briand:

what happened was, i had 'Austin City Limits' set to record.. and it was to start at 12:00

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bengoodger:

as long as it works you should be ok

[18:12:31]

briand:

but i also was (one-time record) recording The Concert for Bangladesh

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briand:

and, since it was a program I wanted to see, you have to know that PBS was doing a pledge drive...

[18:12:54]

briand:

and, the program ran long

[18:13:18]

briand:

so, my "Austin City Limits" recording actually contains the last half hour of the Bangladesh video...

[18:13:22]

bengoodger:

hehee, american public television

[18:13:43]

bengoodger:

you guys need tv licensing and commercial public tv, like us

[18:14:10]

briand:

so, I merged the two mpg files, but i needed to rebuild the seek table so that I could edit out the pledge breaks and the 4–5 minutes of overlapping video

[18:14:26]

briand:

"us" being whom?

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bengoodger:

the united kingdom specifically, but most of europe

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briand:

ah.

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bengoodger:

ok

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bengoodger:

er, did the rebuild work ok?

[18:15:23]

briand:

well, let me go see what sort of seek table I've got on that concert now, and start editing out the chaff

[18:15:37]

briand:

it stopped and returned to the prompt.. I'm gonna go check it right now.

[18:15:52]

briand:

so, i'll let ya know. :)

[18:15:59]

bengoodger:

all-righty

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bengoodger:

tumtitum

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rushfan:

Has anyone here used mythtv with GCC 4.1.4

[18:18:57]

bengoodger:

probably, but nobody's responding atm

[18:19:01]

JoshTriplett:

I upgraded to 0.20 recently and tried out mytharchive, but when that gets to the mythreplex stage, it fails. I manually ran the same mythreplex command line, and found that it had segfaulted. Running it under gdb (despite lacking debug symbols) suggests that it crashed in pes_id_out(), but the stack above that looks hosed. Any known issues or fixes here?

[18:20:12]

bengoodger:

hmm

[18:20:55]

bengoodger:

you can either do as RMS says and fix it yourself, or you can report a bug or comment on an existing one before waiting for the devs to fix it

[18:21:50]

kormoc:

JoshTriplett, without debug symbols, that stack will look hosed no matter what, you really should recompile with debug symbols and trace it again

[18:22:19]

kormoc:

rushfan, I have with gcc 4.1.2

[18:22:34]

bengoodger:

welcome back, kormoc

[18:22:46]

rushfan:

kormoc: and it works?

[18:22:56]

kormoc:

rushfan, seemed to, aye

[18:23:18]

Anduin:

rushfan: is this still the same error?

[18:23:20]

kormoc:

my main box is 3.4.6, and my test box is 4.1.2 and it seemed to work just fine, but it wasn't much of a test to be honest

[18:23:23]

rushfan:

I'm getting some errors. "http://monoport.com/1375

[18:23:27]

rushfan:

Anduin: yes

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JoshTriplett:

kormoc: No, I mean the addresses above that are 0xffffffff then 0x00000000. :) Doesn't seem like debug symbols would help decode those into anything more useful. :) But yeah, I planned to do that next if this wasn't a known issue.

[18:23:55]

kormoc:

rishyou need to compile QT with the same gcc version

[18:24:05]

rushfan:

Basically it expects libqsqlmysql to be built w/ GCC 3, but it was made w/ 5

[18:24:08]

rushfan:

4*

[18:24:09]

rushfan:

But I already did. :|

[18:24:13]

kormoc:

ooh, hrm

[18:24:19]

rushfan:

Hell, I only have one version of GCC

[18:24:34]

kormoc:

and you get this error when compiling qt?

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rushfan:

no

[18:24:45]

rushfan:

When I try to watch TV w/ mythtv

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kormoc:

hrm

[18:25:10]

rushfan:

Could it be a bug?

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kormoc:

it could be, or it could be that way cause of a reason

[18:25:33]

rushfan:

yeahy

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JoshTriplett:

bengoodger: It also occurs to me to wonder if having IVTV VBI embedding could break mythreplex.

[18:25:52]

kormoc:

in my opinion, I would open up a bug on svn.mythtv.org and see what comes out of it

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rushfan:

ok

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bengoodger:

JoshTriplett: yeah, that could be it

[18:26:02]

Anduin:

It isn't a myth bug

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rushfan:

I 'spose I could do another emerge -e world

[18:26:35]

JoshTriplett:

bengoodger: Do you know a way to strip those out of a file?

[18:26:37]

kormoc:

Anduin, well, if the plugin has build key "x86_64 Linux g++-3.* full-config" hardcoded...

[18:26:54]

bengoodger:

JoshTriplett: that was so far over my head, sorry

[18:26:54]

rushfan:

Well it worked before. Then I upgraded and it stopped working. :(

[18:27:15]

Anduin:

kormoc: Yeah, but that is Qt checking not myth

[18:27:36]

kormoc:

true, but my impression is qt won't check that unless asked?

[18:28:09]

rushfan:

Yeah. Mythtv must be request a GCC 3 build key

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Anduin:

rushfan: Uh, build key is assigned entirely outside of myth, entirely unrelated to myth. You'd get your error when the Qt lib you link to tried to load a plugin (like the Qt MySQL driver) that was built with a different version.

[18:30:02]

bengoodger:

you know, this would all be fixed if you didn't insist on compiling the thing from scratch

[18:30:48]

rushfan:

But it wasnt built from a different version :(

[18:31:01]

rushfan:

Mythtv was made with gcc 4.1.4, as was MySQL, and QT

[18:31:07]

rushfan:

They should all be on the same page

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bengoodger:

sudo apt-get install mythtv

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bengoodger:

ooh look, it works

[18:32:13]

rushfan:

Hmm. Oh look, it used to work fine on Gentoo too

[18:32:23]

rushfan:

I say stuff it, cause binary based distributions are slow

[18:32:28]

Anduin:

rushfan: luckily you can use strings on the libs to verify

[18:32:39]

rushfan:

Anduin: I can do what now?

[18:34:04]

Anduin:

rushfan: You can look at the libs and look for the strings, really the error message is the friendly version so there isn't much need to actually check, but it may make you feel better.

[18:34:40]

rushfan:

Well I'm going to submit a bug at svn.mythtv.org

[18:34:42]

rushfan:

And see what happens

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Anduin:

rushfan: I'll close it.

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rushfan:

Anduin: oh, you're a dev?

[18:35:20]

rushfan:

I thought you were going on a "hunch"

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Anduin:

rushfan: No, just mean.

[18:35:26]

rushfan:

...

[18:35:39]

rushfan:

So you're 100% sure it isn't a mythtv bug?

[18:35:51]

rushfan:

I mean, if mythtv worked before, but upgrading mythtv suddenly broke it.

[18:36:02]

rushfan:

No other program has any problems w/ QT

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Anduin:

rushfan: go use strings | grep g++ on your qt libs and the libqsqlmysql.so lib

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r10:

hi

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rushfan:

And I do that how?

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r10:

can any help me with the internal DVD player, the sound is only noise ?

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rushfan:

r10: I see you haven't gotten anywhere with your troubles either. heh

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Anduin:

rushfan: strings libname | grep g++

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r10:

rushfan: no, if there isn't any ther can help me, the I switch back to use xine as DVD player

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rushfan:

Anduin: buildkey=x86_64 Linux g++-4 full-config

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Anduin:

rushfan: and now the MySQL driver

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rushfan:

strings /usr/qt/3/plugins/sqldrivers/libqsqlmysql.so | grep g++ --> thats what I just did, isnt it?

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Anduin:

rushfan: Ok so the qt libs (as they are the ones expecting gcc 3)

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rushfan:

How do I do all of the qt libs?

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Anduin:

rushfan: It is simply about matching

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Anduin:

rushfan: just do libqt-mt.so

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rushfan:

strings: 'libqt-mt.so': No such file

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rushfan:

:|

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Anduin:

rushfan: find it first

[18:44:05]

rushfan:

Oh I see, you have to point t othe physical location of it

[18:44:31]

Anduin:

rushfan: naturally

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rushfan:

x86_64 Linux g++-4 full-config

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Anduin:

rushfan: now ldd mythfrontend and check the actual one being used

[18:45:59]

rushfan:

Wait, do what?

[18:46:19]

rushfan:

ldd /usr/bin/mythfrontend ?

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Anduin:

rushfan: ldd `which mythfrontend` | grep libqt

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rushfan:

libqt-mt.so.3 => /usr/qt/3/lib/libqt-mt.so.3 (0x00002b5632b96000)

[18:46:55]

rushfan:

Ill try doing a string check on that

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rushfan:

x86_64 Linux g++-4 full-config

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briand:

bengoodger: yep. worked fine. now, with cut points reapplied, a lossless transcode to remove the chaff, and then i can archive it to DVD. :)

[18:48:49]

bengoodger:

_that_ I can understand

[18:48:57]

finalbeta_:

When using tvtime I need to use this "sox -v 0.2 -w -c 2 -r 32000 -t ossdsp /dev/dsp1 -c 2 -r 32000 -t ossdsp /dev/dsp" to get sound, can someone help me incorporate sound into mythtv? I used the right source/output and rate, but all I get is static

[18:49:12]

rushfan:

Anduin: any ideas?

[18:50:26]

Anduin:

rushfan: ldconfig some old lib is being loaded somehow, how many libqts do you have?

[18:50:46]

rushfan:

4

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Anduin:

rushfan: all in the same dir

[18:51:46]

rushfan:

urd

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rushfan:

yes*

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Anduin:

rushfan: same for the qt mysql lib? (That string is coming from somewhere)

[18:52:42]

Juski:

can I just clarify something here... in the context of a multi-backend system, what does the master backend actually do? all the scheduling & storage, or can slave backends do that too?

[18:52:57]

afrosheen:

who was the guy watching 1080i on an athlon 2600

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rushfan:

No, I only have one file listed under sqldrivers

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Anduin:

Juski: It does the scheduling, not necessarily the storage

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afrosheen:

GreyFoxx: which deinterlacing method are you using for HD

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Anduin:

rushfan: how about using locate?

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r10:

how do I change the key-bind for the internal dvd player ?

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rushfan:

Anduin: ok

[18:55:54]

rushfan:

Well there is the QT4 lib, but nothing else under QT3

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Anduin:

rushfan: Just for kicks check them

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rushfan:

I already did run strings on them.

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rushfan:

They all came up g++-4

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GreyFoxx:

mythtv@woop:/data/video$ DISPLAY=:0 mythfrontend -G DeinterlaceFilter | grep Setting

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GreyFoxx:

Settings Value : DeinterlaceFilter = kerneldeint

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GreyFoxx:

afrosheen: That's for you "_

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Anduin:

rushfan: That string isn't randomly generated, it is in one of the libs.

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jams:

simply amazing. I have 5 machines and only one of them support wake on lan

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rushfan:

Anduin: eh?

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rushfan:

I'm saying that according to strings they all had the g+

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rushfan:

g++-4 build key*

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Anduin:

rushfan: and I'm just saying that the error comes from somewhere, there must be a lib that is being used that hasn't been checked.

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afrosheen:

GreyFoxx: ok so you're using kernel

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rushfan:

Im saying I've checked the qt libs and the mysql lib

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GreyFoxx:

yep

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rushfan:

What else could the problem be?

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rushfan:

Anduin: I compiled my ENTIRE machine with emerge -e world when I upgraded to gCC 4.1.4

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rushfan:

And recompiled QT3 when these errors started. Everything on this computer was compiled with 4.1.4. Nothing has a build key of g++-3

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Anduin:

rushfan: I believe you, but the error is inconsistent with that, go to the qt3 lib directory and grep for g++-3

[19:05:52]

rushfan:

Like run strings on every single moudle?

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Anduin:

rushfan: just grep "g++-3" *

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rushfan:

ok

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rushfan:

Running grep "g++-3" * when in /usr/qt/3 yielded nothing

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antiPosix:

anyone using an inexpensive video adapter that supports TV-Out that they are happy with?

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drear:

antiPosix, GeForce 6200 works fine

[19:09:42]

afrosheen:

GreyFoxx: thanks, we knoppmyth users are trying to iron this whole HD fiasco out :)

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GreyFoxx:

heh

[19:10:07]

GreyFoxx:

I'm happy to dig out and compare any of my settings you can think of

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Anduin:

rushfan: fine, shotgun, in /usr/qt: find . -type f | xargs grep -l "g++-3"

[19:11:54]

rushfan:

Anduin: Nothing

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afrosheen:

GreyFoxx: I wish you had a firewire box or an OTA hd card to test with also

[19:12:20]

rushfan:

According to the folks in #qt QPluginLoader is whats expecting the build key

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GreyFoxx:

afrosheen: Yeah. If you want to put up a test clip (say a minute or 2 of video) I can use that to simulate it

[19:13:58]

** seth|laptop uses HD OTA **

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GreyFoxx:

:q

[19:15:01]

GreyFoxx:

oops

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Anduin:

rushfan: Yes, it is how Qt handles potential ABI problems

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rushfan:

Anduin: well somebody is saying that it might be the actual application that specifies the build key, but they arent sure.

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afrosheen:

seth|laptop: what's your processor speed

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Anduin:

rushfan: It is internal to Qt, part of why we were checking things.

[19:18:40]

rushfan:

Anduin: oh

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JoshTriplett:

antiPosix: I use the PVR-350 with its TV-out and ivtvdev, and it works quite well for me.

[19:20:23]

rushfan:

Lets see what it does if I upgrade to 0.20

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Anduin:

rushfan: It shouldn't make a difference, you did the find, in the right dir?

[19:22:40]

rushfan:

Yes

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Anduin:

rushfan: and the same find for g++-4 turns up what you would expect?

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rushfan:

lets find out

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rushfan:

yup

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rushfan:

Err. This is odd

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rushfan:

It only lists: ./3/lib64/libqt-mt.so.3.3.6

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rushfan:

Even though I hve libqt-mt.so, libqt-mt.so.3, libqt-mt.so.3.3

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Anduin:

rushfan: Not so odd, the others are symlinks

[19:26:43]

Anduin:

(or should be)

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rushfan:

oh.

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rushfan:

well this whole thing is odd

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seth|laptop:

afrosheen, sempron 3000+

[19:32:37]

afrosheen:

seth|laptop: and HD content doesn't stutter or act stupid?

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seth|laptop:

afrosheen, with nvidia 6200 card, xvmc w/ bob deinterlacing, no opengl and sync to vblank disabled in nvidia-settings, it works great. If any of the other variables are changes, I get random issues. stuttering video, or clipping sound

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mah_meh:

are you always here juski ")

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Anduin:

mah_meh: Sometimes he goes out drinking

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mah_meh:

i hope so, being in the UK and all :P

[19:37:56]

mah_meh:

simple question, does 0.20 will need mysql 4

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Anduin:

mah_meh: It should work with, also works with 5

[19:39:12]

mah_meh:

im running ubuntu edgy eft, as 0.20 has been added to the apt repository

[19:39:29]

mah_meh:

although last time i tried the myth install failed, i thought maybe it was because it installed mysql5 as a dependency

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afrosheen:

seth|laptop: sounds like my setup, kinda...athlonxp 2800 with sync to vblank off, no opengl and xvmc

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Anduin:

Shouldn't be, people have been using MySQL 5 with 0.19-fixes for > six mohts

[19:40:22]

r10:

how do I change the key-bind fore the internal DVD player ?

[19:40:25]

mah_meh:

ill play with it and see what happens

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mah_meh:

sudo apt-get install mythtv has alot of dependencies, not surprising it didnt work 1005

[19:40:47]

mah_meh:

100%*

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seth|laptop:

afrosheen, yes, my cpu is like 1999.9MHz if I try any other combination, I get stuttering. I have 1GB of ram on this box

[19:41:50]

afrosheen:

seth|laptop: yeah I have 512mb in mine

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Juski:

see.. I wasn't here. still editing

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Juski:

I just never log out if I can help it (thanks to screen)

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mah_meh:

sure juski ")

[19:46:09]

mah_meh:

reminds me of using bitchx forever ago

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Paladine:

I use xchat and never log out not thanks to screen :p

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Paladine:

although I am a fan of screen :)

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Anduin:

screen on a good proxy

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Paladine:

but only for leet idle times

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mah_meh:

screen is good

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Paladine:

[ScreenPal] idle 5310:27:37, signon: Thu Feb 9 12:37:06

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Paladine:

my screen client :)

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mah_meh:

im almost frightened to apt-get 0.20

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mah_meh:

guess im too lazy to do anything else, maybe i'll install mysql4 first

[19:50:47]

mah_meh:

last attempt at 0.20 resulted in a horror of mysql5 issues

[19:51:31]

mah_meh:

learning experience at least ")

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GreyFoxx:

What mysql5 issues did you have ?

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mah_meh:

it wouldnt connect, and half way through the apt-get it failed with a 'serious error'

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GreyFoxx:

packages suck :)

[19:52:46]

GreyFoxx:

imho :)

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mah_meh:

i agree and disagree

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mah_meh:

respectfully ")

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mah_meh:

you have no idea how much compiling ive been doing lately just in the name of myth

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Anduin:

good packages would make that no compiling

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GreyFoxx:

I see them as the cause of far more problems than not , but to each their own :)

[19:53:43]

Paladine:

its good for the soul

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mah_meh:

its not good for the gf, who was previously occupied by mce

[19:54:25]

Paladine:

violated by mce you mean

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Paladine:

that shouldbe a sexual assault charge

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mah_meh:

at this point, considering it worked okay i cant complain

[19:54:59]

mah_meh:

i run ubuntu for apache and some VMs on another box

[19:55:09]

mah_meh:

i just figured this could be a learning exercise in consolidation

[19:55:33]

Paladine:

I run apache because I refuse to support microsoft

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Paladine:

ubuntu even

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Paladine:

see you got me all tizzled

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mah_meh:

haha im not that phased, i have bigger problems than ms vs linux

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Paladine:

nothing to do with being phased

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Paladine:

all to do with choice

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afrosheen:

The Tizzler

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Paladine:

I resufe to support ms orany other company who develops drm

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afrosheen:

you know that Linus himself supports drm right

[19:57:02]

Paladine:

man I will be glad when I get off these meds and get my keyboard fingers back

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mah_meh:

you mean you dont have an ipod ?

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Paladine:

I personally thinkLinus is an ass :)

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mah_meh:

actually i run rockbox on mine , lol

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Paladine:

I hate apple with a passion, more chance of me voting for bush than buying any apple product

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fryfrog:

Fortunatly, there will always be people who *enjoy* breaking DRM :)

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mah_meh:

man you seem full of hate ")

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Paladine:

I am a man of principle

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epoch:

hate for ms, hate for linux, and hate for apple

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epoch:

...are you an OpenBSD user or something? ;)

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fryfrog:

you should get a job at a school :)

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Paladine:

if Idon't agree with a companies practises I don't support them

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Paladine:

I never said I hate linux

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Paladine:

I said I think Linus is an ass

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epoch:

well you said you thought Linus was an ass...

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Paladine:

that != I hate linux

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afrosheen:

actually Linus has a good point about drm

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epoch:

seems like a fairly hateful thing to say

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epoch:

but I guess that's fair enough

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afrosheen:

it's the way that companies *implement* drm that bugs me

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fryfrog:

like sony :/

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Paladine:

don't even get me started on sony

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afrosheen:

the rights being managed by drm aren't the user's rights ;p

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Tronic:

I am with RMS on this.

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afrosheen:

the content creators are essentially selling people licenses these days and setting limits on that license, thats what sucks about drm

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fryfrog:

its just a shame "the man" will take a *long* time to listen to their customers :/

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Tronic:

What comes to the copyright law (WTO standard), I don't think that it is at all justified.

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Paladine:

copyright laws are a joke

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Tronic:

An artist or a programmer should not get paid for doing copies, but rather for *DOING WORK*.

[20:01:58]

afrosheen:

you guys have heard about the Blackmagic HDMI card right?

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Paladine:

you really don't want me to get started on this issue :)

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seth|laptop:

so, I am doing some reading here, and I had a question. Is it possible to use a single say celreon 733 box, to handle all the commercial flagging jobs, and do nothing else?

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seth|laptop:

say if it were set up as a slave box

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mah_meh:

im so staying out of this one ")

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Tronic:

In fact, I am. And I am very happy about the situation. My employer pays me for writing software that does what they need.

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Tronic:

They don't care whether I distribute it or not, as long as they get to say what it does.

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mah_meh:

4.1 should work with 0.20 right

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mah_meh:

i hope so anyway

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janneg:

mah_meh: qt? no

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sigger:

I have mplayer setup as default player for avis. (-fs -vo xv). sometimes an avi will start but the screen will have no video. I can get the video by going to non-fullscreen; the video will also be fine when I go back to fullscreen. anyone recognize that?

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kormoc:

sigger, are you using a window manager?

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sigger:

mmm, fluxbox I think

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mah_meh:

janneg, no i mean mysql

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sigger:

knoppmyth, which uses fluxbox I believe

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janneg:

mah_meh: ok and yes, it should work

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mah_meh:

janneg, im trying an apt-get from ubuntu edgy-eft

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mah_meh:

fingers crossed

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Paladine:

hmmmm I think I have found a fix for the prebuffer error (ticket 1153)

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mah_meh:

okay im happy

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mah_meh:

my apt-get'ing mysql first, all my error rubbish didnt appear

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mah_meh:

unless it was b/c of mysql 4.1

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** Juski damns Sony Acid Xpress for not having effects **

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mah_meh:

back in a bit

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Juski:

making me record every track into a proper multitracker so I can add effects :-|

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mah_meh:

well, my install worked

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mah_meh:

but my dvb scanning doesnt work :(

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mah_meh:

okay it looks like it just needed a hand with the frequencies .. woot

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galorin:

just got a quick question, under media library > watch recordings, there are icons at the bottom left of the screen. What do these icons mean?

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FairWtns:

Hey people. I'm loving 0.20, great release. Mytharchive is a new favorite. However, anyone know how I can give my myth user access to DVD writing?

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mah_meh:

im well chuffed

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mah_meh:

seem to have the EIT guide and recording working

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Anduin:

galorin: They mean hit F1

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galorin:

ah ok. Sorry, still new to recording TV. Been using it to keep track of other stuff for a while, just not recording tv.

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cronicus:

what do i need to improve picture quality using svideo TV out?

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cronicus:

using my PVR350 tv out gives excellent quality but nit FX5200

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FairWtns:

cronicus: Depends on what the quality issue is. My 350 tv-out is excellent, but never did anything but SDTV well, i.e. no X or DVD playback.

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cronicus:

yes 350 is excellent but io tried fx5200 and 6200 and very poor color

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afrosheen:

I used to think my pvr250 gave washed out colors..until I realized that's just how the cable company broadcasts everything :p

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FairWtns:

Speaking of which, I need to figure out why my internal DVD module is busted...

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cronicus:

the fx5200 gives washed out colors compared to the PVR350

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Paladine:

the colours on my pvr150 are a vibrant as a virigin on prom night

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Paladine:

s/a/as

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cronicus:

yes i have the same virdin on my 350

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FairWtns:

When setting myth to use the internal dvd player, what should the command be? Just 'internal' or 'internal %d' or something else?

[21:14:19]

cronicus:

i tried fx5200 and 6200 and both give washed out colors

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FairWtns:

cronicus: Are those ATI or nVidia cards?

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Paladine:

sounds like my bt878 card, terrible colours

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cronicus:

nvidia FX5200 FX6200

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** hjohnson doesn't see the point in using a "TV" for video output from myth.. just use a monitor **

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afrosheen:

cronicus, you know you can run nvidia-settings and tweak that right

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hjohnson:

hook it up via DVI, be done with it.

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FairWtns:

cronicus: You can adjust almost everything color with either myth's controls, or using the 'nvidia-settings' X tool.

[21:15:28]

Paladine:

I got a tv card specifically so I could get rid of my tv

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cronicus:

my Sony tv colors are excelent with OTA and PVR360

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cronicus:

err 350

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cronicus:

i cant believe the FX5200 is not even close in picture quality

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afrosheen:

Paladine, I don't want to get rid of my tv, 32" sharp aquos :)

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Igg-man_:

xris: thanks for the help. Everything appears to be working

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Paladine:

afro, if I wanna watch tv I have a 32" upstairs and a 28" in the bedroom, both with their own independent satellite feeds

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Paladine:

I spend a great deal of time in my office in front of my pc

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Paladine:

thats what myth tv is for for me

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afrosheen:

Paladine, to each their own, gotta love it

[21:18:47]

Paladine:

which is why I got anindependent satellite feed for my office too

[21:19:08]

Paladine:

but I don't have the space for a large screen tv in here and I prefer to have something directly in my line of site

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cronicus:

someone here is using a svideo TV out on FX5200 or 6200?

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Paladine:

I was getting issues having thetv off to the side of my desk

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afrosheen:

cronicus, I was using svideo out on a 5900LE before..

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Igg-man:

paladine: I think there is an option that lets you trim off stuff a little bit

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Paladine:

this way I can watch tv whilst I work :)

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Igg-man:

Paladine: Do the menus fit just fine?

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cronicus:

are their any special hints or settings for picture Q

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afrosheen:

cronicus, well nvidia-settings has alot then there are XV controls onscreen..

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Paladine:

I don't have an issue trimming, I am on a 3200x1200 resolution

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FairWtns:

I was using svideo on an GeForce 4MX

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Igg-man:

What? What for? Svideo? Heck, switch to 640x480

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cronicus:

my PVR350 just works beautifully without ant adjustments

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Paladine:

I don't output to tv

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FairWtns:

For some, going with a monitor isn't an option.

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Paladine:

I watch tv on my monitor

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Igg-man:

Oh sorry... got you confused with cronicus. Argh

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Paladine:

I have my mythtv set to 720x576

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FairWtns:

The mythboxes I've built for friends and family are usually not found of using VGA cables to hook up to their TVs.

[21:22:04]

Paladine:

which doesn't take up much screen real estate on a 3200x1200 resolution :)

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Paladine:

< 1/6th of my desktop

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Paladine:

<1/8th even

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Igg-man:

I think I'm running 1280x720... whatever the native resolution of my TV is

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Paladine:

you PAL or NTSC?

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cronicus:

so should i expect poor PQ with svideo TV out on FX5200?

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Paladine:

native resolution on PAL is 720x576

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afrosheen:

Igg-man, that's what I'm using too..with frontend tweaks to combat overscan, although native res is 1366x768

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Paladine:

not sure what NTSC is but it isn't anything ike 1280x720

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Paladine:

you are obviously talking about lcdtv's

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xris:

ntsc is theoretically 720x480

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Paladine:

which is not native tv resolution

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xris:

that's the theoretical max

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Paladine:

xris, yeah I thought it was something like that

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Igg-man:

afrosheen: I can't remember what it was... I grabbed it from the TV manual when I was setting it up

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afrosheen:

yeah native is closer to 620x400 or less I think

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Igg-man:

Looks good for me

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afrosheen:

for ntsc tube sets

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xris:

analog tv and "resolution" don't really go together very well, though

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xris:

afrosheen: I'd always heard 512x384

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afrosheen:

that's why I threw less in there :)

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xris:

but I get a lot of stuff even over my digital cable that's 352x480

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afrosheen:

yeah I hate stinkin sd-res digital broadcasts

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afrosheen:

you can literally count the mpeg blocks in some scenes

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xris:

still better than analog.

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Paladine:

my digitial tv is 720x576 apart from widescreen broadcasts

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Paladine:

and 5149kb/s seems to be the common bitrate on SkyTV

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Igg-man:

xris: I don't know about that... Sometimes I prefer analog SD to digital SD

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Igg-man:

But then again, I'd prefer listening to a record rather than a 128kbps MP3

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Paladine:

a full movie recorded with my pvr150 is like 4.3GB which is the equiv of dvd5 productions

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Paladine:

pretty decent quality

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afrosheen:

Igg-man, I'm the same way at times

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Igg-man:

afrosheen: It does depend on how good stuff compressed too. Like for voice audio, mp3 is fine

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afrosheen:

but everyone should know by now a 128k mp3 is shameful compared to a quality lp :)

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Igg-man:

I like the flac files though

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xris:

Igg-man: here, it's all digital to start out with.

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xris:

before, it was digitized analog, and then back to analog on the wire

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Igg-man:

xris: I suppose Analog -> mythtv -> my tv is worse than DVB -> MythTV -> MyTV

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afrosheen:

I just started using the 16:9 widescreen switch with mplayer and xine and suddenly dvds look amazing

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Igg-man:

xris: what do you use for capture?

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xris:

Igg-man: firewire

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afrosheen:

it also properly crops 4:3 stuff that it stretched previously

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Paladine:

this is a cracking movie :)

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Igg-man:

xris: wow... sounds hard. I was tempted to purchase one of those PCHD cards to get broadcast HD

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Paladine:

Jet Li – Unleashed (Danny the Dog in the US)

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Igg-man:

xris: What providor do you have?

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afrosheen:

firewire is a bitch, especially when you accidentally punch in an encrypted channel

[21:31:00]

afrosheen:

I fought with it for a good hour last night and got it working

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Igg-man:

afrosheen: Cable?

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xris:

Igg-man: comcast

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afrosheen:

yeah, time warner on a motorola dc6412 III box

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xris:

afrosheen: no encrypted channels for me.

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xris:

only stuff I don't pay for, and I just remove that from my zap2it lineup

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Igg-man:

I've got time warner ... soon to be comcast (I think). It will be interesting to see what happens with it

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afrosheen:

all of the hd channels are encrypted

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afrosheen:

Igg-man, lol it was the opposite here in dallas, was comcast and is now TW

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Igg-man:

Huh

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xris:

afrosheen: not mine. I get everything I pay for.. hbo included.

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Igg-man:

xris: Did you have to pay for digital service, or was the digital service always on the line?

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afrosheen:

xris, who's your company?

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afrosheen:

oops

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afrosheen:

comcast but where

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Igg-man:

sea1?

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afrosheen:

sea1 does not compute

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xris:

Igg-man: I pay for digital. that's the only way to get the digital box with the firewire port. :)

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Igg-man:

/whois xris

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Igg-man:

something about sea1.speakeasy.net

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xris:

got a competitive switchover from dishnetwork. nice package, way less than normal pricing.

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afrosheen:

xris: which cable box do you have

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xris:

afrosheen: 6200

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afrosheen:

man I might give one of those a try, I suspect something about the 6412 is doing the encryption

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xris:

afrosheen: it's generally your provider turning it on

[21:35:26]

afrosheen:

you get dead air and a zero length file from firewire when recording hbo hd

[21:36:17]

afrosheen:

wonder if I can bs them and tell them my hd tivo can't record

[21:36:31]

afrosheen:

they'll probably say 'well use your 6412 to record buddy'

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Igg-man:

haha, woudn't surprise me

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afrosheen:

I don't think they can disable encryption on a per-user basis anyway

[21:39:03]

mah_meh:

having a mythweb problem

[21:39:06]

Igg-man:

Perhaps large numbers of tivo people will solve the problem for you

[21:39:11]

mah_meh:

The requested URL /mythweb/program_listing.php was not found on this server.

[21:39:15]

xris:

afrosheen: talk to SlicerDicer about using the motorola dvr to record.

[21:39:29]

xris:

mah_meh: which version of mythweb, and did you read the instructions?

[21:39:42]

mah_meh:

well i installed an old one accidently

[21:39:43]

Igg-man:

mah_meh: what version of mythtv are you running?

[21:39:45]

xris:

also, it this a brand new update?

[21:39:52]

mah_meh:

so then i got the plugin from mythtv.org

[21:39:52]

afrosheen:

slicerDicer: are you paying attention?

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mah_meh:

im running 0.20

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xris:

mah_meh: delete your browser cache and restart your browser

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mah_meh:

mythweb is alias'ed , but i edited that in the .htaccess

[21:40:17]

Igg-man:

mah_meh: I've heard (from xris) that you need to run the mythweb from the svn tree

[21:40:35]

xris:

Igg-man: recommended, but not the cause of this problem

[21:40:41]

Igg-man:

mah_meh: if you put a test file in your web directory (say test.txt), can you get at that from your web browser?

[21:40:58]

damian666:

hi folks, i got a pvr-500 running myth .20, and i just would like to know how i get commercials removed automatically, i thought having set the right settings but its not working, could someone help me ?

[21:40:59]

Igg-man:

xris: I used it... it worked. I couldn't complain

[21:41:00]

xris:

mah_meh: highly recommended to grab mythweb from the .20-fixes branch in svn — there are fixes that didn't make it into the release tarball

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mah_meh:

okay clearing the cache was a good start

[21:41:22]

xris:

mah_meh: same missing-file error or something new?

[21:41:24]

mah_meh:

now its saving my db variables

[21:41:25]

Igg-man:

xris: Are you doing developement for mythtv?

[21:41:34]

xris:

Igg-man: mythweb and nuvexport are "mine"

[21:41:38]

mah_meh:

saying*

[21:41:54]

mah_meh:

ill have a chew on that for a while, thanks guys, wish id been smart enough to think of that

[21:41:57]

xris:

mah_meh: sounds like .htaccess isn't getting loaded properly. read the readme about how to configure apache

[21:42:09]

Igg-man:

xris: sweet. Does MythArchive use nuvexport?

[21:42:09]

mah_meh:

it definately is

[21:42:15]

xris:

not yet

[21:42:17]

xris:

Igg-man: ^^

[21:42:18]

mah_meh:

because i have a database setup error

[21:42:27]

mah_meh:

The database environment variables are not correctly set in the

[21:42:27]

mah_meh:

included .htaccess file. Please read through the comments included

[21:42:34]

xris:

mah_meh: permission, or "variables not set"?

[21:42:35]

mah_meh:

thats from mythweb.php

[21:42:47]

Igg-man:

mah_meh: Did you edit the config.php file (or whatever it was named)?

[21:42:48]

mah_meh:

variables not set

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xris:

mah_meh: yes. read how to set up apache so that it can actually READ the .htaccess config

[21:42:59]

xris:

it's all covered in the readme

[21:43:04]

xris:

Igg-man: no confg.php in .20

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Igg-man:

xris: Oh... didn't notice. I just cp'd ../oldmythweb/.htaccess . It worked, I didn't complain

[21:43:48]

SlicerDicer-:

afrosheen: whats up?

[21:44:15]

afrosheen:

SlicerDicer-, do you have a motorola 6412?

[21:44:26]

Igg-man:

Does every backend need access to the store directory? Can they have their own store local?

[21:45:07]

xris:

Igg-man: each can have its own

[21:45:16]

Igg-man:

Oh... I didn't know that

[21:45:30]

Igg-man:

I've got mine NFS mounted to my roommate's box

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mah_meh:

the readme is a bit out of date or something

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mah_meh:

config.php isnt in conf at all

[21:46:41]

mah_meh:

anyway, i'm ploughing through it

[21:47:19]

xris:

mah_meh: there is no mention of config.php in the readme

[21:47:45]

stuarta:

any echostar satellite users around?

[21:47:52]

mah_meh:

Finally, and THIS IS VERY VERY IMPORTANT, you should then edit the file

[21:47:52]

mah_meh:

config/conf.php (instructions for what to set are included in the file).

[21:47:52]

mah_meh:

That's it. Point your web browser at http://your_machine_name/your_mythweb_path/

[21:47:52]

mah_meh:

What could be simpler?

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xris:

stuarta: I wish I was

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mah_meh:

i cant even see that folder in my archive

[21:48:12]

xris:

mah_meh: that's an outdated readme. not for .20

[21:48:43]

stuarta:

xris: :( Just trying to confirm their non standard transmissions...

[21:48:55]

mah_meh:

weird

[21:49:01]

xris:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/browser/branches/r . . . thweb/README

[21:49:03]

mah_meh:

i mv'ed mythweb to mythweb-old

[21:49:09]

mah_meh:

and extracted the 0.20a plugin

[21:49:24]

mah_meh:

how the hell did that file get back there

[21:49:28]

mah_meh:

might as well start over

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xris:

mah_meh: svn co http://svn.mythtv.org/svn/branches/release-0- . . . gins/mythweb

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xris:

use that instead

[21:49:42]

xris:

heck of a lot easier than the tarball

[21:50:02]

SlicerDicer-:

xris: he left before I could answer heh

[21:50:13]

xris:

SlicerDicer-: oh well

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mah_meh:

problem is xris, i suck, so i have no idea about using that svn version, other than trying to wget that site or something ")

[21:51:04]

xris:

mah_meh: just paste that command

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SlicerDicer-:

xris: hey been meaning to ask you

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xris:

it'll create a directory called "mythweb" with the checkout in it

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mah_meh:

okay so i should do it at the root

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SlicerDicer-:

what would cause mythweb to not display properly? it loads everything but searchs and listings

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mah_meh:

i.e. apache root

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xris:

mah_meh: you can always move the directory if it goes into the wrong place

[21:51:43]

mah_meh:

okay tx

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xris:

SlicerDicer-: describe "not display properly"

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SlicerDicer-:

xris: NO DATA is what it says ;-)

[21:52:15]

SlicerDicer-:

but there obviously is data

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mah_meh:

svn not found, apt-get install svn, no dice

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SlicerDicer-:

I am recording my recording schedules

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stuarta:

mah_meh: apt-get install subversion

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mah_meh:

tx

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xris:

SlicerDicer-: weird. sounds like it's connecting to the wrong db or something

[21:54:37]

SlicerDicer-:

xris: somehow it was?

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SlicerDicer-:

lol

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xris:

heh

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SlicerDicer-:

xris: I have no idea

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xris:

didn't you move your db server recently?

[21:55:44]

SlicerDicer-:

xris: yeah I did

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SlicerDicer-:

maybe thats what happend

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xris:

probably just forgot to update mythweb

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SlicerDicer-:

yeah

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damian666:

sorry folks, again i have the problem that i want to have commercials cut out automatically and having converted my mpeg files (taken by pvr500 with mythtv version .20) to mpeg4. i have set alll options i found to what i hoped it would be correct but somehow it does not remove commercials or convert the file. can mythtv do this or do i have to write userjobs for that ?

[22:08:13]

tank-man:

i dont think it can do it "as is", automatically. probably a user job will

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damian666:

tank-man: so all this options are useless ?

[22:10:01]

tank-man:

it can auto convert to mpeg4 but it wont auto cut the commercials

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tank-man:

it is setup to auto detect the commercials (for later auto skip/etc) but it wont auto cut them out cause it doesnt know if they are really commercials or not

[22:11:06]

tank-man:

you can make a script to do it automatcially tho

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tank-man:

have the script call mythcommflag to copy the spots where it detected the commercials and copy it to the cut list and then transcode (with ffmpeg/nuvexport/etc)

[22:12:48]

tank-man:

mythcommflag --gencutlist

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tank-man:

but you would have to set it to run the user job script at a future time cause it takes time to detect the commercials

[22:15:34]

nandy_:

does anyone know much about lirc?

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kormoc:

tank-man, won't they run in order? #2 waits for #1 to finish?

[22:15:55]

nandy_:

like how it sets up its version magic string

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tank-man:

kormoc, oh yea. but there is an option to run jobs simultaniously too

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damian666:

tank-man: mythcommflag --gencutlist cuts the commercials ? or does ffmpeg later on recognize the "cuts" ?

[22:18:43]

tank-man:

i think it sets up the points for cutting for when you use mythtranscode+ffmpeg

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joshno:

yo ho mateys! tomorrow be international talk like a pirate day.

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word:

um..is there an easy way to transfer a mysql 5 version of myth's database..to knoppmyth (which uses 4.somethin)

[22:20:53]

damian666:

tank-man: how to run mythtranscode+ffmpeg. also as userjob?

[22:21:22]

damian666:

word: is there any feature of mysql5 that is used in the db ?

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tank-man:

you can use nuvexport (perl script to run mythtranscode+ffmpeg)

[22:22:44]

rushfan:

Well I finally solved my mythtv problems.

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damian666:

tank-man: and i need to use mythtranscode to transcode and remove commercials ? (cause my files are already to in mpeg2 format)

[22:23:23]

damian666:

tank-man: transcode meant as convert

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tank-man:

i think mythtranscode just sets up a fifo to feed into ffmpeg

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kormoc:

word, you need to dump the database (see mysqldump) and then import it back

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word:

damian666: yes charset and CURRENT_TIMESTAMP that i found

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nandy_:

kormoc: when you get a sec mind if i ask some lirc questons?

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word:

kormoc: ...where is this dump going?

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damian666:

tank-man: ok fifo without flagged commercials, thanks alot will try that

[22:27:10]

word:

oh probably dir it's in heh..

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kormoc:

nandy_, just ask, someone might know

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kormoc:

word, aye, or you can pass in where it would store it to

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nandy_:

im trying to get lirc to work with my pvr150 i tried the FC5 packages but it doesnt create the devices now im trying this pvr150 build and i still get this after inserting the modules:

[22:28:05]

nandy_:

lirc_dev: IR Remote Control driver registered, at major 61

[22:28:05]

nandy_:

lirc_pvr150: ivtv i2c driver #0: no devices found

[22:28:53]

nandy_:

ivtv --log-status shows:

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nandy_:

tveeprom 0–0050: TV standards NTSC(M) (eeprom 0x08)

[22:29:02]

nandy_:

tveeprom 0–0050: audio processor is CX25841 (idx 35)

[22:29:02]

nandy_:

tveeprom 0–0050: decoder processor is CX25841 (idx 28)

[22:29:02]

nandy_:

tveeprom 0–0050: has no radio, has IR remote

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nandy_:

not sure where to go from here

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robert83a1:

hello, I just installed mythtv, and I've configure the weather plugin for Belgrade, this machine can ping any internet address, but for some reason no weather data is retrieved, oh and I'm using a proxy server, with username password required

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word:

kormoc: you sure this'll work to a 4.x install?

[22:31:32]

word:

5.x – > 4.x

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kormoc:

word, aye, as you're dumping the data out in plain text and re-importing it

[22:32:15]

kormoc:

So unless you have some very weird database changes, it will work fine

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kormoc:

nandy_, well, that looks fine, you should start reading up the lirc docs on how to test the remote and all that jazz

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word:

well...when i did a plain export...the import was messing up when it hit the CHARSET = latin1 things

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nandy_:

kormoc: look at the line:

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word:

an export*

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nandy_:

lirc_pvr150: ivtv i2c driver #0: no devices found

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nandy_:

kormoc: and /dev/lirc[0] is not created

[22:33:45]

nandy_:

# cat /dev/lirc

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nandy_:

catisonh: /dev/lirc: No such device

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kormoc:

nandy_, ooh, hrm. that's strange, missed that one. You sure you have all the i2c drivers in your kernel?

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Anduin:

nandy_: so you actually have the tx/rx model?

[22:34:02]

nandy_:

Anduin: PVR-150

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nandy_:

with ir blaster

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nandy_:

kormoc: i have lirc_dev and lirc_pvr150 (which repalces lirc_i2c)

[22:37:44]

nandy_:

i have also tried the pre-made packages (lirc_dev and lirc_i2c) same problem

[22:38:46]

nandy_:

any ideas?

[22:38:47]

nandy_:

:(

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kormoc:

sorry, I don't really have any, but I will say that you might want to try the mailing list

[22:39:22]

** nandy_ cringes **

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nandy_:

is it archived?

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kormoc:

aye

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Anduin:

isn't everything?

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nandy_:

Anduin: thats what i said about there being an active lirc irc channel

[22:40:09]

nandy_:

Anduin: boy was i wrong!

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Anduin:

nandy_: ##lirc they are trying

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nandy_:

Anduin: im there

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nandy_:

Anduin: but im the only one :)

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nandy_:

well only non-idler

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Anduin:

nandy_: Yeah I suspect they like to deal with it only a little more than us

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nandy_:

heh

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Anduin:

nandy_: So you see the light blink when you plug it in?

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nandy_:

Anduin: nah

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word:

kormoc: syntax for importing it? mysqlimport -p mythconverg mythconvergfile ?

[22:44:06]

word:

cuz that gives me errors about it trying to use mythconvergfile as a table :-/

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word:

kormoc: ya there?

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kormoc:

I import as mysql -u root -p mythconverg < dump.sql

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word:

kormoc: that had problems with the CHARSET=latin1 as well

[22:52:59]

word:

it's something in 5 that isn't in 4.x

[22:53:11]

word:

i suppose --force would make it ignore that?

[22:53:35]

GreyFoxx:

or you could just edit the file and take that out :)

[22:53:53]

word:

editting a 16 meg text file isn't pretty :P

[22:54:07]

GreyFoxx:

vi is your friend

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word:

and there are some other things it messes with

[22:54:22]

word:

like CURRENT_TIMESTAMP which i couldn't figure out how to get arround

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emp__:

anyone familiar setting up irserver to work with myth?

[22:55:39]

word:

ah --force makes it not create the table..

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kormoc:

word, you can dump without the create table statements too

[22:58:50]

kormoc:

current_timestamp isn't in 4.1? I thoguht for sure it was, sorry

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metalac:

so i'm using mythcenter-wide as my template for the new theme I'm building

[23:03:36]

word:

kormoc: without current timestamp is there no way?

[23:03:47]

metalac:

the problem I have is that the UI buttons called button_off.png and button_on.png are a bit strange

[23:03:58]

metalac:

what happens is that i get the blend of two no matter if the item is active or not

[23:04:07]

kormoc:

word, well, myth is mysql 4.1 compatable, so I'm at a loss on why they would use that if it wasn't able to be fine

[23:06:47]

metalac:

anybody have any clue why would this be happening?

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Flimzy:

Has anyone ever attempted to use a DCT6200 box using a combination of firewire and a separate tuner card (for 5C channels) as a single video source in MythTV?

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metalac:

Flimzy: are you using firewire now?

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Anduin:

Flimzy: How would it work?

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Flimzy:

metalac: I've gotten firewire to work in testing... haven't done it real-life like

[23:26:03]

metalac:

i did too but started having reliability issues

[23:26:14]

metalac:

so i'm wondering how well can be gotten to work

[23:26:28]

Flimzy:

Anduin: Well my idea, if nobody has a better suggestion, would be to use a FIFO as the MPEG source for MythTV, then behind the scenes write a script to switch between dumping firewire output or capture card output to the FIFO

[23:26:49]

Flimzy:

Anduin: Not sure how that will work, tho... heh

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Flimzy:

Thus I'm asking here... hoping someone will have some first-hand experience

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metalac:

i'm having a hard time finding someone with first-hand experience of a working firewire alone ;)

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Flimzy:

hehe

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kormoc:

first hand working firewire, SlicerDicer- has a lot of experence, as does xris

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metalac:

do they have it working 24/7, do you know?

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Flimzy:

metalac, what STB do you have?

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kormoc:

aye

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kormoc:

SlicerDicer-, even uses 3 boxes chained together

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metalac:

Flimzy: DCT6200

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metalac:

kormoc: oh wow

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Flimzy:

Cool

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Flimzy:

I have two 6200's, too

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Flimzy:

who's your cable co?

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metalac:

comcast

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Flimzy:

I didn't realize until today that it was possible to daisy chain them

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Flimzy:

I've been using 2 firewire ports

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Flimzy:

it's time to renew my zap2it subscription so I can play with myth again

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Flimzy:

wow, this time the questionaire was just "hit submit!"

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metalac:

I don't understand why we have to renew

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** Brains 's zap2it sub is coming on renewal as well. Fortunate since he just started fiddling with the firewire/myth thing again. **

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metalac:

it's kind of a drag

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Flimzy:

beats paying for the service

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kormoc:

metalac, you can pay them and not have to renew if you like

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Blammo:

Anyone know of a way to force a job to unqueue on a specific host? IE I have a box that has a time-specific-range on taking jobs, but it's not busy right now, and I'd like it to pick up one of the jobs out of the queue.. any ideas?

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metalac:

yeah it does, but i don't see a purpose

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kormoc:

information about how their information gets used?

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Flimzy:

In theory, so they can gather "valuable" information from us

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Flimzy:

I'm not sure how valuable "Submit!" is, though

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Brains:

Flimzy: If nothing else, it tells them you are still actively interested.

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metalac:

who knows what gets transfered when you run "mythfilldatabase" ;)

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Flimzy:

Brains: They could gather that information by whether or not I download data from them

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kormoc:

actually you do, it outputs what it does...

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GreyFoxx:

metalac: Anyone who reads the output or looks at the source

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GreyFoxx:

It's not some sort of spyware

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metalac:

i'm just joking

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kormoc:

Flimzy, not always, a lot of people don't stop downloading from them until their accounts get expired

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Brains:

Flimzy: No, the downloads could be a cron job on a machine behind a wall somewhere. Not saying the info is worth much, but it is some info.

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Anduin:

kormoc: They actually have pay accounts working now?

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kormoc:

Anduin, well, they provide the content to tvguide.com, so I would imagine that if you are willing to pay as much as tvguide is, they can hook you up

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Anduin:

kormoc: Ah, yeah, I keep expecting one day that they will have actual for-pay individual accounts.

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Flimzy:

Well normally they have actual surveys

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Flimzy:

I guess this time they just couldn't think of anything useful to ask me

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Flimzy:

metalac: What problems do you have with firewire?

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metalac:

Flimzy: well first of all nodes changes all the time so once is 0, once is 1 so everytime i restart it changes, then TV will work for a while and while I watch it's all cool, i walk away for half an hour I come back and it doesn't

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Flimzy:

hrmph

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Flimzy:

what firewire controller do you have in the pc?

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Flimzy:

Some of the reading I did today seems to suggest that some firewire controllers are more finicky than others

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metalac:

that's what i figured too

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metalac:

so i'm trying to find out which is the one that works 100%

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metalac:

i have this: Texas Instruments TSB12LV26 IEEE-1394 Controller

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Flimzy:

There's no way to get MythTV to work with 5C channels at present, is there?

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metalac:

apparently a not so good one :)

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metalac:

Flimzy: not that i know off

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metalac:

I'm lucky only 2 of mine are 5C and that's Vh1 and PPV

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Flimzy:

I have a VIA controller onboard

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metalac:

i was gona borrow a few from some friends and try it out

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Flimzy:

and I have a PCI one I may use if necessary--but I don't have enough PCI slots on this mainboard if it comes to that, so I'm hoping not

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Flimzy:

All of the premium channels here are 5C

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Flimzy:

which means no HD movies for me :(

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Flimzy:

and a good number of the standard channels I don't care about are 5C

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Flimzy:

Which just means I'll continue using the Cox DVR service for HD movies

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Flimzy:

But at least I can stop using it for everything else!

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Flimzy:

And I'll consider getting an old satelilte receiver I can hack into doing HD at some point... if I care enough

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Flimzy:

even tho I work for Cox

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metalac:

i have no premium channels, too pricy and I got netflix anyways :)

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Flimzy:

I'm sure they'd hate that

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Flimzy:

I get my cable for free

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Flimzy:

being an employee of the cable co

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Flimzy:

I get every channel they offer

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Flimzy:

and free Internet

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Flimzy:

I only pay for receiver rental

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Flimzy:

my monthly bill is < $15

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Paladine:

I get my cable for free

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Paladine:

I live next door tosomeonewho works at Cox ;)

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Flimzy:

hehe

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Paladine:

and hacked their cable

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metalac:

ahahahaha

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Flimzy:

What state do you live in, Paladine?

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Flimzy:

You only get analog cable free that way, tho

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Paladine:

normally awake state

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metalac:

watchout paladine he'll send a cable guy your way ;)

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Paladine:

hehehe

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Flimzy:

Yup... I'm gonna send out a general notice "Everyone who works for Cox! You may have a neighbor stealingg cable!"

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Flimzy:

:P

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** GreyFoxx gets free internet and phone, and it just so happens that when they installed my cable modem they removed all filters so free cable too :) **

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Paladine:

I live in Kansas

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Flimzy:

Paladine: ah. That narrows it down greatly!

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Flimzy:

I know you're not stealing my cable

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Flimzy:

b/c in my apt complex, cable is free anyway :P

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Paladine:

dude I am in the UK lol

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Paladine:

I don't even have cable

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Paladine:

Ihave satelite

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Flimzy:

I know a guy who stole satelite for a long time

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Flimzy:

until he got caught

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Flimzy:

now he can never have a gov't job

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Flimzy:

he's a hard-core felon!

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Paladine:

I was gonna do that, but my arms got tired at 50 000 feet

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Flimzy:

Yeah, that'll get ya every time!

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Flimzy:

GreyFoxx: how did you get free 'net & phone?

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Flimzy:

oh, the database is full

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GreyFoxx:

My company pays for my internet/homephone bundle (well I pay and they pay me back 100%) and they pay for my cell phone

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Flimzy:

cool

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** GreyFoxx loves his cable modem *hug* **

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Flimzy:

hehe

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Paladine:

the only problem with company cell phones is you can't turn the damn things off

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Flimzy:

There's no way to use both tuners in a dual-tuner 6200 STB is there?

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GreyFoxx:

Paladine: Sure I can

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GreyFoxx:

exceptwhen I'm on call

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Paladine:

I was on 24/7 call :/

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GreyFoxx:

I did that for a couple years,no more

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Flimzy:

I hate the way MythTV scales

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Flimzy:

So often dialogs are cut short for no reason

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hjohnson:

heh,

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hjohnson:

Paladine: I've got a company crackberry

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hjohnson:

and for 3 months, the company 1800 support number was routed to it... and we have clients all over the planet.

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Paladine:

hjohnson I was my employers only EU member of staff supporting the 4th largest company in the world

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metalac:

Paladine: what would the 4th largest company in the world be? and btw what is 1st?

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Paladine:

4th largest company is an oil company calld Total

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Paladine:

dunno who the largest is

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Paladine:

thats based on number of employees not profits

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Paladine:

I consulting on UK and French deployment of their new enterprise suite

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Paladine:

consulted

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Paladine:

lot of work

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hjohnson:

Paladine: eh, you didn't get sent to a war zone.. :P

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hjohnson:

crumb, it's gonna take me 3 days to get to Africa

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Paladine:

hjohnson, well I was in Paris during the recent riots

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