Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Thursday, September 14th, 2006, 00:00 UTC

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regicide666:

pushpop, is that the config you are trying to use that you posted

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pushpop:

well, thats half my problem at the moment. I run irw and I can see the keys I press. But i start mythfrontend, and the remote does not interface with mythtv

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Chicory:

Mmm ...

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Honk^away:

did ya edit mythtv's lircrc? =)

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pushpop:

=X

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pushpop:

i havent no.

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pushpop:

the how to never said anything about that haha

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Honk^away:

i'm just guessing =)

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pushpop:

o

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pushpop:

=/

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pushpop:

haha

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Honk^away:

you might give it a try though :P

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Chicory:

What's the difference between non-MCE and MCE renditions of PVR-150?

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pushpop:

Honk where is mythtv lircrc located?

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Chicory:

The remote?

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regicide666:

pushpop, try this but change the button names to work with your remotehttp://pastebin.ca/169543

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regicide666:

pushpop, try this but change the button names to work with your remote http://pastebin.ca/169543

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regicide666:

MCE only uses MCE remotes

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Honk^away:

look at the output of your mythfrontend

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Honk^away:

it should say where it's searching =)

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regicide666:

so the pvr150 mce has an MCE remote

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pushpop:

ok cool, what file do I put that under.

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Chicory:

And that's ... IT?

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Chicory:

That's the only difference? :P

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regicide666:

as far as I know

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** Chicory isn't shelling out $20 more for crap he won't use. XD;; **

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regicide666:

If you don't use MCE don't get the MCE one

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Pryon:

no, the MCE doesn't come with a remote

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Pryon:

(mine didn't anyway)

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Pryon:

Also, it has a radio tuner, whereas the non-mcd 150 does not (AFAICT)

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regicide666:

yea thats true I have one with a radio tuner and one with the irblaster

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regicide666:

I have never used the radio

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Pryon:

I might figure out how to use it. I got the MCE because it's cheaper and I don't need the remote.

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Chicory:

What's the difference between the 1042 and 1062 PCI interfaces?

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Pryon:

THe 1062 comes with a MCE remote

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Chicory:

Oh, they're model numbers.

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** Chicory facepalms. **

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Pryon:

according to the newegg specs, anyway

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Chicory:

I wonder if these are refurbished.

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Pryon:

looks like the audio in is different between mce and non-mce as well. I've got R/L RCA jacks. Non-mca looks like regular line in

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Chicory:

$62 seems pretty damned cheap.

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Pryon:

Mine was in a sealed antistatic bag. Looked new.

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Chicory:

Mmm, that's very true. :s

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Juski:

yay mythtv has recorded spooks even though I'd totally forgotten about it

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Chicory:

Spooks?

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Juski:

"Drama series about the British Security Service. The team are pushed to the limit as the country is plunged into chaos by a series of terrorist attacks. With the Prime Minister's position looking increasingly precarious and draconian emergency measures curtailing public freedoms, MI5 face the horrifying possibility that the country is under siege from sinister forces right at the heart of the establishment."

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Juski:

and that's _fiction_.. ? hang on a sec!

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Chicory:

XD

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Chicory:

I barely even know British politics and I know Blair is NOT popular AT ALL. :P

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hads:

Is there a known issue with mythweb not shoing recorded programs or is there some configuration I'm missing (SVN)?

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hads:

s/shoing/showing/

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Juski:

Chicory: Spooks is like '24' but without Keifer Sutherland, split-screen action & the opening of sockets :-P

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Juski:

and kinda boring

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Chicory:

:P

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Juski:

hads: there was an issue with 0.20 mythweb not letting you schedule recordings, but that's been fixed

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k-man:

will marillat be adding mytharchive to the repository?

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Juski:

ask marillat

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Chicory:

In mythTV would there be any difference between MCE and non-MCE cards?

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** Chicory is comparing prices. >_>;; **

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Juski:

nope

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Chicory:

Good!

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hads:

Juski: Cheers, I can schedule (I've updated since .20) but my recorded programs aren't showing up on the 'Recorded Programs' page

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Juski:

hads: 1st I've heard of it if it's a bug. that's not saying much though

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hads:

I may be missing something obvious as this is my first install.

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hads:

It seems that the only config nessecary is in .htaccess for the DB settings.

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word:

bah where are some repositories for mythtv besides the beerokid one?

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Pryon:

Argh. Audio getting out of sync after de/remux

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Pryon:

why am I suddenly having this problem?

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pushpop:

regicide666: satan still haning around?

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regicide666:

whats up

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mchou:

Chicory: the only differences really are the "bundles"

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mchou:

Chicory: all of them work equally well/bad if you want tv tuner/svideo encode

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knoppMythNewbie:

Anybody have any idea why, when I go to watch video and select a video, I only get a "loading" message? Using knoppmyth and trying to use my monitor. I can watch live tv, and watch the videos outside of mythtv.

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Juski:

knoppMythNewbie: your player (which is configured in mythfrontend) doesn't like the videos? mythtv doesn't play videos with its internal player in mythvideo by default

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knoppMythNewbie:

Juski: the box is a stand alone, it's master backend. On the "normal" desktop, I can select the app "MythTV". It comes up and I can select media library / watch videos, see a gallery of the videos, and select them. Isn't that how one would watch a video?

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GreyFoxx:

By default non recordings are played by an external player spawned by mythvideo

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GreyFoxx:

So, it sounds like the external app is not working

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Juski:

GreyFoxx: put it so much better than me, as usual :)

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GreyFoxx:

you can get myth to use the inernal player for mythvideo by changing the settings to use "Internal" for the player under the video settings

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knoppMythNewbie:

In setup (one of them) there's an entry for a video player, it defaulted to xine.

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GreyFoxx:

You can set it to any player,or you can set it to "Internal" touse the myth built in player

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knoppMythNewbie:

Using xine in a command line I can view the videos

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Juski:

the default setting is mplayer

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GreyFoxx:

Then launch mythfrontend in an xterm and not from an icon

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GreyFoxx:

and see if it is outputting something you are not seeing

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knoppMythNewbie:

I must've been looking at the wrong setup... I'll look for mplayer. I'll also, if I understand this right, open a shell window and run "mythfrontend" and see what happens. Thanks for the hints and help GreyFoxx.

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pushpop:

regicide666: you still there sorry if you answered before I lost connectivity

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Juski:

and then zebedee said... "time for bed"

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Juski:

g'night all

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pushpop:

gnight

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regicide666:

yea I am here

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pushpop:

can you repaste that pastbin i froze up

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pushpop:

and also if you could tell me where to put it

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pushpop:

sorry im kinda new to linux

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regicide666:

http://pastebin.ca/169543

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defaultro:

I don't know folks why I'm not getting any replies from mythtv mailing list when I joined. Anyways, are you guys encountering any issues when doing a QAM256 scan for channels in .20 mythtv-setup?

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regicide666:

that should be in your users home directory as .lircrc

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regicide666:

I don't use QAM so I don't know sorry

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pushpop:

ok

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pushpop:

thanks man

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trevor__:

does anyone here use Myth2xvid? if so, i have a question for you...

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defaultro:

what's the other way of reverting back the db version to .19?

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regicide666:

don't forget to change the button lines to the names of the buttons that come from your remote in irw

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pushpop:

ok

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regicide666:

I don't know that you can

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defaultro:

oh

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defaultro:

:P

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regicide666:

I made a backup of mine before the I changed

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defaultro:

i think, I'll just have to restore from backup

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pushpop:

regicide666: if i hit 5 i get 00000000f7087d82 00 Five PackBell

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pushpop:

so for button 5 i would put 00000000f7087d82 00 Five PackBell

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pushpop:

?

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defaultro:

i'm hoping that I can get approved to become member of the list so I can post the bug in qam256 scan in .20

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regicide666:

the name is Five

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regicide666:

Just put Five

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pushpop:

o ok

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regicide666:

Your first time doing all these things is hard but it all starts to make sense

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pushpop:

yep

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defaultro:

hey SlicerDIcer, what's up? Are you in .20 now?

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regicide666:

Man. I was having crashing problems with tv playback then I upgraded my Nvidia driver and all was good, Now I am using .20 and it is back

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regicide666:

I wonder if it never went away and I was just getting lucky

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mchou:

regicide666: what was the version of older driver?

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defaultro:

what version were you where on nvidia before?

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defaultro:

hey mchou

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mchou:

defaultro: hi

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defaultro:

mchou, i wasn't lucky with .20 :(

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regicide666:

one second need to ssh

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mchou:

defaultro: "luck" has nothing to do with it

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defaultro:

:P

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regicide666:

old 8762, new 8774

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defaultro:

ok

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defaultro:

let me check my version

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mchou:

regicide666: hmm, how did the crash manifest itself? what are symptoms?

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pushpop:

regicide666: I added the config and it still doesnt interface with mythttv

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pushpop:

is there something I need to do to intialize it

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cfreeze:

When I play a CD with multiple episodes (x-files or other tv show), I can play the first two episodes without problem, however the third and forth shows tend to play eratically most of the time playing for a short bit, then going back to the DVD menu. These are new discs and happens in more than one DVD ROM, any ideas? Thanks..

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regicide666:

did you restart the mythtv frontend

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defaultro:

1.0.8178

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pushpop:

yea

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regicide666:

I should mention it is amd64 I am using

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defaultro:

I haven't upgraded mine yet since it's very stable

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mchou:

regicide666: you using 64 bit OS?

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defaultro:

mchou, have you ugpraded your myth to .20?

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mchou:

defaultro: no

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defaultro:

ok

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regicide666:

where did you get your mythtv packages from and is lirc support in it

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defaultro:

if you do so, delete all channels from one card then rescan channels

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pushpop:

hmmm

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defaultro:

just check the behavior

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pushpop:

is there a way to find out reg?

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regicide666:

do you start mythfrontend from a terminal

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pushpop:

yes

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defaultro:

mchou, the other day, you told me to downgrade comcast to just basic. Any ideas why?

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defaultro:

I mean, any reasons why?

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mchou:

because you dont need digital to get basic OTA in HD

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mchou:

if you want othere "premium" stuff you'd have to get the digital pkg

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defaultro:

could that be the reason why I'm not able to scan in via atscscan?

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mchou:

defaultro: sigh.....

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defaultro:

i remember, i only had basic before and had those local hd chnanles

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mchou:

defaultro: you cant scan cause you're screwing up royally

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defaultro:

but don't know if the digital package i have prevents me from doing it

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regicide666:

well I am not sure how to tell after looking around I see do not see anythiong

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defaultro:

mchou, I didnt understand you. what do you mean?

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regicide666:

and yes I am using a 64 bit OS

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mchou:

regicide666: I wouldnt know anything about that since I'm not using 64 bit OS (even though I have 64bit HW)

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defaultro:

mchou, please explain "you're screwing up royally". I don't know what you mean by this

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mchou:

defaultro: do some basic troubleshooting first

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defaultro:

are you saying that I didnt do basic troubleshooting?

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mchou:

defaultro: yep

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defaultro:

how

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defaultro:

tell me how I did not

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mchou:

1. See if you get OTA HD signal on HDTV set / STB

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mchou:

fscking basic

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defaultro:

yes

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defaultro:

i do get them

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defaultro:

lol

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defaultro:

go ahead

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mchou:

then you're screwing up is the only explanation

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defaultro:

how

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defaultro:

you still havent told me

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defaultro:

you mentioned you had specific

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mchou:

cause if TV/STB can recieve HD that means those devices are receiving clear QAM

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defaultro:

that's correct

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defaultro:

however

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mchou:

and if you cant do so on your comp you're screwing it up.

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defaultro:

I really don't know why i'm only able to capture SD channels via qam256

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defaultro:

i did it one by one via azap and I only saw SD channels

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defaultro:

one by one with the channels.conf it created

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defaultro:

that's 157 services found

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defaultro:

it took me almost 2 hours

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mchou:

defaultro: zip it. if the STB/TV is capable of it then the OTA HD signal is not encrypted

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mchou:

defaultro: end of story

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defaultro:

huh

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defaultro:

:)

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defaultro:

but wait, you keep on talking about OTA. I wasn't talking about OTA, I was talking about QAM256

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acm-:

zap2it having problems?

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defaultro:

they shut it down

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acm-:

mythfilldatabase returning 500

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acm-:

oh.

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defaultro:

no more zap2it

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acm-:

so...

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defaultro:

just kidding bud

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defaultro:

check out if your account is still active

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defaultro:

log in manually

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defaultro:

500 is HTTP INTERNAL SERVER ERROR

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defaultro:

from what I remember

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acm-:

yeah i nkow

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acm-:

i can log in manually

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defaultro:

do this

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defaultro:

from your box

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defaultro:

ping labz2p. wahaver.tcom

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defaultro:

i don't recall the fqdn

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defaultro:

not from your desktop

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defaultro:

from the mythtvbox

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acm-:

right

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regicide666:

does mythtv and mythtranscode use the same thing to decode mpeg2 and if so is it internel code or what?

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defaultro:

i think it's labs.zap2it.com

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defaultro:

or if it doesn't respond with ping, try hping on port 80

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defaultro:

or netcat it

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defaultro:

or nikto it :D

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defaultro:

yep, their website it up

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defaultro:

yep, netcat work to, you should do this in netcat GET /ztvws/ztvws_login/1,1059,TMS01–1,00.html HTTP/1.0

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defaultro:

are you able to resolve it though?

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defaultro:

i like your nick labmonkey

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defaultro:

are you dugsong?

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word:

Juski: ...what's that way you were thinking about to fix it?

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defaultro:

juski is away

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defaultro:

he won't to bed

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word:

oh..well hm

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defaultro:

that's what i saw earlier

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word:

Failed to execute SQL: GRANT ALL PRIVILEGES ON .* TO @localhost IDENTIFIED BY 'xikafqjd' You have an error in your SQL syntax; check the manual that corresponds to your MySQL server version for the right syntax to use near '* TO @localhost IDENTIFIED BY 'xikafqjd'' at line 1 at -e line 8, <> line 1.

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word:

I get that when configuring mythtv-database for the upgrade to .20

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defaultro:

just do it via phpMyAdmin

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defaultro:

life would be easier

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word:

yah but..it's a dependent of mythtv

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word:

the user is already there all setup and everything

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defaultro:

nope

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defaultro:

you can use regular update on user table

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word:

defaultro: erm how?

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defaultro:

or INSERT INTO USER values('host','username','Y','Y', .............................)

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defaultro:

then delete the existing

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defaultro:

then flush privileges

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defaultro:

you have to mentioned localhost

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defaultro:

oops

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word:

wha?

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Chicory:

Hey, not to be a moron again, but how would MythTV handle a digital cable signal?

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defaultro:

you have to mention localhost

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defaultro:

digital cable via qam256, I guess

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Chicory:

Mmm, okay.

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word:

defaultro: what exactly is this doing...

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defaultro:

the command is incomplete

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defaultro:

it will insert a user with complete privileges

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** Chicory gets the bad feeling his father's house's cable is digital. **

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word:

defaultro: there already is a user with complete privs...that command is failing because it's the wrong password

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defaultro:

or you can fix your GRANT

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defaultro:

you are just missing the username I guess, :D

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defaultro:

not incorrect password, incorrect format

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defaultro:

incorrect syntax

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regicide666:

Chicory, I use digital cable with mythtv

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defaultro:

Chicory, encrypted though can not be copied

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word:

i have the user mythtv with a password other than that whatever password..yah it doesn't show a username before @localhost..just noticed that..

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defaultro:

especically when 5C is in effect

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regicide666:

I have the irblaster from the pvr150 set to change the channel on the cable box

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defaultro:

oh

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defaultro:

you are doing analog then

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defaultro:

:D

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defaultro:

not digital

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Chicory:

Yes. :)

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Chicory:

irblaster, eh? ;)

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** Chicory takes notes! **

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defaultro:

regicide666, you are doing analog capture

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regicide666:

and digital

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defaultro:

digital, how?

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regicide666:

analog for cable

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regicide666:

from a digital cable box

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defaultro:

how?

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word:

defaultro: um how am i supposed to put provide a username to this package?

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defaultro:

you should

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regicide666:

with the video out from the cable bot to the video in on my tvcard

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defaultro:

that's analog

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Chicory:

Right, that much is analog.

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regicide666:

then a script that mythtv calls changes the channel on the cable box over lirc

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defaultro:

trust us regicide666, it's analog

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Chicory:

The cable box descrables the bits and pieces. :)

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regicide666:

yes

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defaultro:

LOL

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regicide666:

from a digital cable box

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defaultro:

you said it's digital

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defaultro:

from a digital, not digital recording :P

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Chicory:

It's "digital cable" in that the quality is ultrahigh.

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regicide666:

i said it is digital cable up to the box

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Chicory:

The feed FROM the box is analog.

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defaultro:

yes, quality would be ok

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defaultro:

still different if you use a digital card

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defaultro:

like air2pc, fusion

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defaultro:

which does qam256

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Chicory:

The TV looks like staring at a constantly changing Jolly Rancher. O_o

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defaultro:

that's different now

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** Chicory was a little taken aback by the quality after being raised on a hackjob wireless-to-cable job done by a local cooperative. **

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defaultro:

huh?

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word:

defaultro: i'm so confused...why would this be failing from an upgrade from a configured and fully functional .19 installation..

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Chicory:

I live out in the country.

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Chicory:

We don't GET cable lines out this far.

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defaultro:

word, you showed GRANT command right?

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word:

i used phpmyadmin to give the mythtv user GRANT

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word:

it's had that though

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defaultro:

you shouldn't be doing that based from what you said

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Chicory:

That said, the local telephone cooperative formed a telecom company and figured out how to wirelessly broadcast a signal from a tower to individual setups across the county.

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defaultro:

all you have to do is install .20, run mythtv-setup to upgrade the db and you're set

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** Chicory has basically been growing up on duct-tape-cable. :P **

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defaultro:

:D

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defaultro:

word, did you get it?

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word:

defaultro: this is some dependent package of mythtv named mythtv-database i have no idea what it does..

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defaultro:

i can't help then

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word:

becuase it's failing to install, mythtv is failing to install

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regicide666:

I don't think you need to run mythtv-setup

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defaultro:

i don't know. I always use tar.gz or bz2

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defaultro:

regici, you need to, trust me

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word:

is there another repository besides beerokid?

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defaultro:

it's going to upgrade the schema

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regicide666:

I did not

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defaultro:

i don't know if your schema is screwed even if it works

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regicide666:

I asked here and people all said you did not have to

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defaultro:

hmmmm

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defaultro:

i just saw the words from the writer of this program not to run the backends yet, mythtv-setup first

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regicide666:

they said it upgrades just when the new mythtv is started

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defaultro:

i ran it, it upgraded the schema

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defaultro:

ok

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defaultro:

i was about to say that

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defaultro:

maybe, when you run the backend, it will upgrade it

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defaultro:

fair enough

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regicide666:

yea thats what I was told and it works so I guess they were correct

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defaultro:

however, i'm unlucky with .20, FREAK! :(

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defaultro:

so you only have a PVR150 card right?

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regicide666:

no I have a dvb card also

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defaultro:

ur not in u.s.?

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regicide666:

but it only does ota

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regicide666:

yea I am

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fryfrog:

well, my little pxe bootie thing boots my nforce4 w/ nvidia video card system just fine!

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defaultro:

what dvb card?

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defaultro:

hey fryfrog, nice to see you

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defaultro:

did you upgrade to .20?

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regicide666:

ati hdtv wonder

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** Chicory wonders ... **

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defaultro:

what about you chicory, what card?

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Chicory:

I'm buying a PVR-150 from NewEgg tonight. :P

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defaultro:

cool

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defaultro:

oh, that reminds me to buy the ELK M1 Gold

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** Chicory hasn't even installed yet due to various concerns about his cable box. **

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defaultro:

thanks for saying the word "buying", hehehe

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Chicory:

I might need IR-blaster.

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defaultro:

i just build my own ir-blatser

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regicide666:

what is that

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Chicory:

You're welcome. XD;;

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defaultro:

ELK M1 is a security device

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Chicory:

defaultro, that makes one of us.

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defaultro:

www.elkproducts.com

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** Chicory can't solder at ALL. **

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defaultro:

next time, I'll just buy it too

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defaultro:

regi, I wired all my house for security

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lupin_sansei:

Any Aussies online right now?

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defaultro:

you Aussie?

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regicide666:

I got my tv card not even thinking about the blaster but was glad it was there

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defaultro:

how do I tell awk to remember the value of a variable?

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defaultro:

this is failing to increment, awk '{a=a+1} {printf("%s %s ",a,$1)}'

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Chicory:

Wait, does it come standard with something? >_>;;

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J-e-f-f-A:

Hi guys!

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Zider:

helleu

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ginger2:

I'm experiencing alot static/snow on my pvr500, but the audio is working fine. Im running myth 0.19 from rpms on a FC4 computer running amd athlon 64 3k+

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ginger2:

also, hello all

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J-e-f-f-A:

ginger2: Was it working fine previously, and just started to happen?

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ginger2:

I just installed the pvr500 last week and mythtv last week. I've worked out most of the smaller issues by reading up on the ivtv site and faqs, but I jst cant seam to fix the video.

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ginger2:

the video has not worked since I installed mythtv

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J-e-f-f-A:

ginger2: What's your source? Analog cable?

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lonestarbacon:

So, I know this is the mythtv-users channel, but I was wondering if there are any transcode people out there. The transcode channel is dead right now, and I'm having a problem when I grab frames from an mpeg2 file and save them to png, transcode hangs sometimes, but not all the time. Even on the same mpeg2 file.

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ginger2:

yes, analog cable, NY us cablevision.

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J-e-f-f-A:

ginger2: Have you verified your signal is good with tv or something?

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ginger2:

yes, I connected my tv to the cable which feeds my computer, it it fine.

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lonestarbacon:

ginger2: I just got on, I missed what your problem was. Are you just getting terrible video? No video at all?

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ginger2:

terrible video, snowy/static and the audio is comming in just fine.

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ginger2:

i can make out figures and such

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defaultro:

hey folks, how do I prevent echo from including the newline

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lonestarbacon:

Have you tried it on both tuners? If I'm not mistaken the 500 has 2 tuners, right?

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defaultro:

ah

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defaultro:

-n :D

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lonestarbacon:

I was gonna say defaultro, RTM. :)

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ginger2:

thats correct. my test is cat /dev/video0 >/tmp/test.mpg or /dev/video1, results are the same for both.

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lonestarbacon:

ginger2: Have you tried a different PCI slot?

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ginger2:

ah, nope.

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ginger2:

let me give that a try

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drcode:

hi all

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lonestarbacon:

ginger2: I have a PCI slot that won't even work with a pvr250, but I can use a network card in it just fine. Worth a shot.

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drcode:

I have two qusions

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ginger2:

let me give that a try and I'll let you all know.

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drcode:

1. can I expand mythtv menu ?

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ginger2:

thanks for the help.

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lonestarbacon:

ginger2: Hope it works. :)

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ginger2:

btw how is 0.20?

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lonestarbacon:

ginger2: I have not used it yet. I'm waiting for it to hit portage in Gentoo.

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ginger2:

Im waiting for the rpms. I hate building

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lonestarbacon:

ginger2: Gentoo isn't for everybody. :)

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lonestarbacon:

drcode: Yes you can.

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drcode:

k

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drcode:

is there manual or paper about?

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J-e-f-f-A:

ginger2, lonestarbacon: I'm anxious to try .20, but not anxious to deal with issues if I goof up my system...

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lonestarbacon:

drcode: I'm looking on the wiki right now.

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lonestarbacon:

j-e-f-f-A: Thats the nice part about Gentoo. You can use quick package to package up your current install and just revert back to it if .20 fubars you.

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ginger2:

thanks for the help, rebooting and I'll let you all know the results.

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drcode:

l

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drcode:

k

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drcode:

thanx

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fiveiron:

how do you adjust the brightness/contrast/etc in mythtv?

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J-e-f-f-A:

lonestarbacon: Really... Humm... What other advantages would Gentoo have over FC?

[02:33:17]

lonestarbacon:

j-e-f-f-A: Really long install process? Hehe.

[02:33:51]

lonestarbacon:

j-e-f-f-A: I wouldn't say there are advantages or disadvantages to either. The distro battle is one I don't like to get into. ;)

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J-e-f-f-A:

lonestarbacon: Maybe I'll play with Gentoo on my next test setup... I was thinking of setting up my old backend as a .20 test bed...

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lonestarbacon:

drcode: this may or may not help you: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Theme_development_guide

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word:

anyone else having problems with mythtv-database with .20?

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Anduin:

fiveiron: One way is to try enabling Xv picture controls.

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fiveiron:

in mythtv-setup?

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Anduin:

fiveiron: just the frontend setup

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lonestarbacon:

drcode: What was your other question?

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drcode:

thanx

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J-e-f-f-A:

Yo xris... How's Mythweb lookin?!?

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lonestarbacon:

j-e-f-f-A: I thought of a .20 test bed as well, but my power bill is high enough. :)

[02:40:31]

J-e-f-f-A:

lonestarbacon: Well, yeah, mine is pretty high too--- especially with a 480w supply in my backend...

[02:41:01]

lonestarbacon:

j-e-f-f-A: It's not the power supply that will kill you, it's the terrabytes of drives hooked up to it. :)

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J-e-f-f-A:

lonestarbacon: But I probably wouldn't be running the test .20 backend 24x7, or at least not for more than a week or so...

[02:41:45]

J-e-f-f-A:

lonestarbacon: I've got 4x200GB drives in the server itself... formatted is 760GB...

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lonestarbacon:

j-e-f-f-A: Aaah, I have 4x400GB drives. 1.2TB.

[02:42:30]

fiveiron:

4x400 = 1600

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fiveiron:

~1.6t

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lonestarbacon:

fiveiron: Sure, if you just do LVM. I'm doing LVM over RAID5.

[02:42:54]

fiveiron:

ah

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J-e-f-f-A:

lonestarbacon: Nice! ;-) I've got diskspace envy! ;-)

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J-e-f-f-A:

lonestarbacon: I'm living 'on the edge'... just LVM...

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deadlyninja:

is anyone having major problems with nuvexport on the 0.2 codebase?

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lonestarbacon:

j-e-f-f-A: I was living on the edge, until my 400GB LVM had a drive die. Thats when I moved to RAID5.

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defaultro:

lonestarbacon, are you using .20 now?

[02:44:10]

lonestarbacon:

defaultro: Not yet. It hasn't hit portage in gentoo yet (as of last night anyway).

[02:44:15]

J-e-f-f-A:

lonestarbacon: Although I've been pushing stuff off to a 250GB NAS device.

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defaultro:

gotcha

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defaultro:

btw, am on 470GB on my lvm

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lonestarbacon:

j-e-f-f-A: Nice. What do you use?

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lonestarbacon:

For NAS that is.

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defaultro:

i wish i can hit a terabyte

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deadlyninja:

lonestarbacon, im using .2 on gentoo, wrote my own ebuilds tho

[02:45:13]

lonestarbacon:

deadlyninja: You are far more motivated than me. How do you like .2? Is it worth it?

[02:45:29]

deadlyninja:

lonestarbacon, it seems about the same really

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lonestarbacon:

defaultro: More space just means more hours of record time, which means more of your life wasted. Hehe.

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regicide666:

I am also on gentoo with .20 I just used some svn ebuilds to make an overlay for .20

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J-e-f-f-A:

lonestarbacon: I bought a Buffalo LinkStation on sale for $149 — and of course it's been 'opened' to install other linux packages! I've also got an 'unslung' NSLU2... ;-)

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deadlyninja:

lonestarbacon, i just now got mythweb to work, and it looks the same

[02:46:02]

lonestarbacon:

deadlyninja: Please tell me mythweb is at least faster.

[02:46:19]

lonestarbacon:

deadlyninja: Have you tried the archive to dvd stuff yet?

[02:46:40]

J-e-f-f-A:

lonestarbacon, deadlyninja: I'm very interested in MythArchive too!!!

[02:46:41]

deadlyninja:

lonestarbacon, mythweb is about the same speed

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regicide666:

I tried but mythtranscode segfaulted so I have not tried again

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deadlyninja:

lonestarbacon, you can download a .nuv directly from mythweb now

[02:47:01]

J-e-f-f-A:

lonestarbacon, deadlyninja: (reminds me of the "Set it and forget it" infomercials...)

[02:47:05]

deadlyninja:

lonestarbacon, i havnt tried the archive to dvd stuff yet

[02:47:30]

lonestarbacon:

regicide666: Yeah, transcode of any flavor seems to be hit and miss. :(

[02:47:48]

lonestarbacon:

j-e-f-f-A: You like your LinkStation?

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lonestarbacon:

deadlyninja: I had set it up to re-encode to mpg and feed mpegs through mythweb to my phone before actually.

[02:48:13]

deadlyninja:

hey is anyone using nuvexport on the 0.2 codebase?

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J-e-f-f-A:

lonestarbacon: So far... I've got it 90% full with videos from Myth... ;-)

[02:48:43]

lonestarbacon:

j-e-f-f-A: :) At 3GB/Hour, you can eat up space fast.

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deadlyninja:

lonestarbacon, wow now that is motivation

[02:49:21]

lonestarbacon:

deadlyninja: There was a how-to that was close on the wiki I think. I just modified it to my needs. Wasn't very hard.

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J-e-f-f-A:

lonestarbacon: Well, I've got my settings a little low, so I get 1.6gb/hr. Plus several of the recordings were from dishrip (rip from my Dish Network DP7100 receiver), and are only 1gb/hr for execellent quality 544x480 resolution.

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regicide666:

for awhile I was using ffmpeg to get the Simpsons on my phone for my lunch at work

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deadlyninja:

lonestarbacon, ah never even heard about anyone doing that, was the quality good?

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deadlyninja:

regicide666, lonestarbacon, man im going to have to get a new phone

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lonestarbacon:

regicide666: The quality was as good as you can expect watching it at 320x200.

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lonestarbacon:

regicide666: Yeah, thats exactly what I did.

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deadlyninja:

lonestarbacon, what kind of phone lets you do that

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regicide666:

yea it was not great but for the simpsons it was fine

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lonestarbacon:

deadlyninja: I have a PPC6700.

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regicide666:

I have an lg vx9800

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regicide666:

its the verizon V

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lonestarbacon:

I'm on Alltel. If you go Verizon, the model # is xv6700 for the same phone.

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regicide666:

The verizon is my work phone I have a tmobile account also and was thinking of getting the MDA

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lonestarbacon:

This was the how-to that I tweaked to use mpg instead of flash:

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lonestarbacon:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Stream_m . . . _flash_video

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regicide666:

I am just not sure because I don't have anything windows and I would feel strange having a windows phone

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J-e-f-f-A:

regicide666: Maybe you could install Linux on it instead! ;-)

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lonestarbacon:

regicide666: I hear ya. But, I just bought a Dell Axim x51 for the SynCE project. Ole (one of the developers) has been sniffing with it this week and should have the changes needed to sync a WM5 device done in the coming months.

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brianko:

upgrade from .18->.20 went flawlessly...almost!

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regicide666:

There is a project for that but it does not look great

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J-e-f-f-A:

brianko: Almost?

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brianko:

couldn't log in to mysql db with old mythtv user/pass...anyone know what's up with that?

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lonestarbacon:

brianko: You may have to re-do your grant priviliges.

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brianko:

that's what i figured...just using the root user/pass for now

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lonestarbacon:

brianko: Although, that should have happened automagically when you upgraded.

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lonestarbacon:

What OS are you on?

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brianko:

Ubuntu 6.0, MySQL 5.something

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deadlyninja:

lonestarbacon, hmm interesting howto, i might have to do that

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Dagmar:

I'm suprised you got away with 0.18 and MySQL 5 without noticng all the notes online that it doesn't work properly with mySQL 5

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deadlyninja:

anyone using nuvexport on 0.2 ?

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lonestarbacon:

deadlyninja: It has come in handy a few times in hotel rooms and such. I just use OpenVPN to VPN into my home, and then grab the shows I wanna watch.

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Dagmar:

deadlyninja: No because that is old as dirt

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deadlyninja:

Dagmar, what do you use instead?

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brianko:

Dagmar: Worked OK, just would lose the connection every night

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Dagmar:

0.3 or HEAD

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deadlyninja:

Dagmar, does that have better transcode options built in?

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J-e-f-f-A:

lonestarbacon: I had MythStreamTV setup awesome before my OS HDD crashed... My friend and I were watching "Bruce Almighty" on a computer at CompUSA 100+ miles away! ;-)

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Dagmar:

deadlyninja: That depends on your definition of "better". If you are using an old version, don't expect anyone to help you with problems you may have with it, because the odds are they've already been fixed

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lonestarbacon:

j-e-f-f-A: How well did it work?

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deadlyninja:

Dagmar, are you talking about mythtv proper or something else

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Dagmar:

deadlyninja: Why would you think that?

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deadlyninja:

Dagmar, what are you referencing, there is no .3 mythtv

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J-e-f-f-A:

lonestarbacon: Awesome. The quality was obviously lower, but it was a full 30fps... Looked excellent in a window, and ok full-screen from 5' away...

[03:01:36]

word:

Anyone else having problems with mythtv-database messing up?

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Dagmar:

deadlyninja: You asked about nuvexport

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deadlyninja:

Dagmar, im using head nuvexport on mythtv 0.2

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brianko:

word: with 0.20?

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deadlyninja:

Dagmar, and im wondering if anyone else using nuvexport on mythtv 0.2

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word:

brianko: yes

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Dagmar:

deadlyninja: Okay, perhaps you need to work on your technical English then. MythTV is currently at 0.20, not 0.2

[03:03:21]

lonestarbacon:

Dagmar: Easy there big fella.

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brianko:

word: no problems here with upgrade, other than the old mythtv user/pass not being able to connect

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Tall-guy:

Can anyone help my late night brain deadness and tell me if I can use yum to update mythtv-suite.i386 18–52.at with mythtv-suite.noarch 20–61.at ??

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Dagmar:

lonestarbacon: It's not my fault if people can't be clear about their questions.

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deadlyninja:

Dagmar, .2 is sort of equivalent to .20

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word:

with mine..there's a syntax error when it's giving a user all privledges on the db...i think the error is in that it isn't specifying a user it just says @localhost

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Dagmar:

deadlyninja: No, it's really not. These are not counting numbers.

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deadlyninja:

Dagmar, Its a decimal you cant have both a .20 and a .2

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Dagmar:

It is ***NOT*** a decimal.

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deadlyninja:

Dagmar, so its completly unambiguous

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Dagmar:

It is a *string*

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deadlyninja:

In my country we call the . a decimal

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Tall-guy:

good lord, thought I'd come here with a question......is this the argument room?

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Tall-guy:

Look at these shoes, I've only had them 3 weeks and they already have a hole in them.

[03:06:28]

Dagmar:

Yes, and in your country prisoners probably have more money spent on them than public school students.

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deadlyninja:

Tall-guy, yeah

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Beirdo:

it's not decimal

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Dagmar:

deadlyninja: Explain 3.4.6 or 2.6.17.13 then as "decimal numbers"

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word:

in scientific notation the trailing 0 is very important..

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deadlyninja:

Dagmar, this is the mythtv channel

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Dagmar:

word++

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word:

erm..wrong word..

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deadlyninja:

Dagmar, in mythtv there arent that many levels of revision

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word:

significant figures yah that's the one

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Dagmar:

deadlyninja: Yes, this is a software channel. Software. Not simple math. It's not a decimal, no matter how many times or how often you insist.

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word:

it's called a point release

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defaultro:

btw folks, the first 5 second jittery hd playback I'm encounter in previous version is gone in .20 :)

[03:08:08]

deadlyninja:

Dagmar, in mythtv secondary revisions are denoted with an alpha character, such as .20a

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deadlyninja:

Dagmar, look it up

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Beirdo:

there was an 0.18.1

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metalac:

any way to get better quality from PVR150?

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Dagmar:

deadlyninja: ...and yes there are that many levels. WE don't start with 0.02 to ensure the right number of significant digits for a string. Zeroes are important. Get the clue.

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defaultro:

but folks, I need some help. Tell me if I'm doing something wrong

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J-e-f-f-A:

So Beirdo, how's the weather down there?!?

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brianko:

word: sorry, no help here. i might have gotten the same error, didn't go back through the log messages. Ended up just using mysql root to get everything running.

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metalac:

it seems like it was less then my cable box

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Beirdo:

nice and hot and rainy

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** Tall-guy shakes his head **

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defaultro:

I have a Fusion HDTV card. I do QAM256 scan via .20 mythtv-setup. It cannot find any channels from my comcast.

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word:

how can i get mythtv-database to run right? er..and how would i use mysql root to get it running? apparently the file mythtv-database is -trying- to use..is incorrect

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defaultro:

it's the same process that i was doing in .19

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word:

brianko: ?

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defaultro:

can we say that there is a bug in qam256 in .20?

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J-e-f-f-A:

metalac: Maybe your capture settings are too low of a bitrate or resolution?

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brianko:

word: i just ran mythtv-setup and changed it there

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brianko:

word: This was an upgrade, not a new install

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metalac:

J-e-f-f-A: where do i set that?

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ShockValue:

if i have mysql set up on a seperate box than mythbackend, do i still need to have mysql installed on the machine with the backend as well?

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word:

brianko: same here i'll give that ashot

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Dagmar:

word: What's `mythtv-database` in the ubuntu world?

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brianko:

word: good luck

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defaultro:

you need mysql client

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word:

Dagmar: some silly package that 'sets up the mythtv database'..even though it's already set up just needs to be changed for .20

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defaultro:

then you need to update location in user table

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Dagmar:

word: Umm... I didnt' actually have to change anything for 0.19 to 0.20

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brianko:

word: the schema changes happen when you run mythtv-setup

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Dagmar:

word: You probably don't need to run it at all unless they did something bizarre with the db to make it incompatible

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word:

Dagmar: yah :-/

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J-e-f-f-A:

metalac: It's in the settings — Settings -> TV -> Recording profiles (IIRC)

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Dagmar:

word: So just spark up 0.20 and it'll probably "just work"

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word:

Failed to execute SQL: GRANT ALL PRIVILEGES ON .* TO @localhost IDENTIFIED BY 'xikafqjd' You have an error in your SQL syntax; check the manual that corresponds to your MySQL server version for the right syntax to use near '* TO @localhost IDENTIFIED BY 'xikafqjd'' at line 1 at -e line 8, <> line 1.

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ShockValue:

*ok, thanks defaultro

[03:13:01]

word:

the mythtv package requires this package and when it fails ^ mythtv refuses to install

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Dagmar:

word: If that's the bit that's responsible for ya'll random passwords, I kinda doubt it was meant to be run twice. Submit a bug report to them. ;)

[03:13:26]

word:

Dagmar: but it's a syntax error nto an incorrect password

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Dagmar:

OMG and it's even a stupid thing to do

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Dagmar:

heh

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word:

it's trying to logon to @localhost not mythtv@localhost which i believe is the problem

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Dagmar:

Don't you have a --force option or something>

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Dagmar:

Honestly, they're kinda taking the dim way out with that

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Dagmar:

I've just got my init script for the backend set up to create the database and users if they don't exist already

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J-e-f-f-A:

metalac: Also, what's your video card on your frontend?

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Dagmar:

Seems like a much simpler way of dealing with the problem to me

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WAR_CH|LD:

I LOVE YOU MAN!

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WAR_CH|LD:

just thought i would add that

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WAR_CH|LD:

since it's always such serious talk in here

[03:15:15]

WAR_CH|LD:

thought I would lighten hte mood

[03:15:21]

WAR_CH|LD:

spread some love.

[03:15:23]

** Dagmar sets fire to the hippie. **

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Tall-guy:

HAHAHA

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Dagmar:

:D

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Tall-guy:

ok, gawdam THATS funny

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brianko:

word: so what happens if you run the gran stmt manually? will mythtv-database just go on and do its merry thing?

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** WAR_CH|LD burns **

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J-e-f-f-A:

WAR_CH|LD: Yeah, I tried to do that by asking Beirdo how the weather was! ;-)

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Beirdo:

no hurricanes yet :)

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WAR_CH|LD:

yeah, see.. he might just go "install mythweather"

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WAR_CH|LD:

kinda could blow up in your face

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word:

brianko: you mean give mythtv all privs ? it already has them

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Beirdo:

apt-get install wunderground.com

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Beirdo:

heh

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metalac:

J-e-f-f-A: it's a Nvidia 6200

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brianko:

word: ok, then you've got the same problem i do! strange stuff...

[03:16:37]

Beirdo:

but seriously, it's pretty nice

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Dagmar:

I really don't think that SQL command is valid

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Dagmar:

I'm not certain about it tho

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Dagmar:

I don't think I've seen IDENTIFIED BY used like that before

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J-e-f-f-A:

metalac: Did you install the nvidia drivers, or just use the ones from your distro? I think the nvidia ones are better... imho...

[03:17:38]

brianko:

Dagmar: yeah, it's a legit way to set the password

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Dagmar:

Is there some way we can poke at the guy who made that package to ask them what that's supposed to be doing?

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metalac:

J-e-f-f-A: yeah i got nvidia ones

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word:

Dagmar: just figured out how..and forced mythtv to install

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Dagmar:

...and maybe talk them into doing it in a less fragile way?

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metalac:

also anyone knows why i don't have info for all the channels, just some like first 15 or so? should I re-run mythfilldatabase?

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Dagmar:

metalac: Sounds like you told it you were using regular over-the-air channels.

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J-e-f-f-A:

metalac: Humm... It should look pretty good then – I've got a PVR-250 and PVR-500 (Which is just 2x150's), and the picture quality is great, even at 400x480...

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Dagmar:

You sure it's not 1–13 you've got?

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metalac:

J-e-f-f-A: yeah i changed it to 720x480 and it looks good now

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metalac:

J-e-f-f-A: thnx

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J-e-f-f-A:

metalac: You probably don't have to go that high — I don't think the 150 can go much above 500x480 anyways...

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metalac:

Dagmar: I don't think so, it scanned for all the channles, and even first 15 are not all there

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Dagmar:

J-e-f-f-A: eh? The 150 should be able to do 720x480, at least in NTSC

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word:

Starting MythTV server: mythbackendSession management error: Could not open network socket – i get that after forcing mythtv to install..well i got the same before but i assumed it was from not having this installed

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Dagmar:

metalac: DVB or QAM or something?

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metalac:

Dagmar: well it's just standard cable over pvr150

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J-e-f-f-A:

metalac, Dagmar: Yeah, it can capture to mpeg at that resolution, but the actual pixel resolution will be lower. Just like you can blow up a 320x240 picture to 640x480, it doesn't increase the *resolution* of the image.

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Dagmar:

metalac: You shouldn't have to scan then. It should just be pulling the info from Zap2it

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metalac:

Dagmar: oh ok

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metalac:

J-e-f-f-A, Dagmar: it says it will do 720x480 http://hauppauge.com/Pages/products/data_pvr150.html

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Dagmar:

J-e-f-f-A: It's analog. If you're doing 720 horizontal, you're goign to get 720 pixels of definition. It's only the vertical you can't screw around with to get more detail

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J-e-f-f-A:

metalac: Try lowing the quality/resolution until you see a difference, then go up one... That way you get good quality, but the best file size...

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Dagmar:

I keep mine at 640x480 for the livetv setting because I've got my display at a multiple of that

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Dagmar:

...less work for scaling that way

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Dagmar:

Although I might as well be running the s-video output at 640x480, my card gives better color at 1024x768. Go figure

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J-e-f-f-A:

Dagmar: Yeah, but it's kinda a waste to go much higher than 640, or even 544... My Dish receivers are 544x480 native.

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Dagmar:

Ah, yeah for that I wouldn't bother going above 640. I've got analog cable

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Tall-guy:

And since you were all wondering......Yes, yes you can update an mythtv-suite.i386 with a mythtv-suite.noarch using yum....you need "exactarch=0" in yum.conf.....

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J-e-f-f-A:

Dagmar: I'm actually using '400x480' for my 'default' setting, and '544x480' for my 'high quality' setting... Although 400x480 is slightly 'blurred', you can really only see the difference when there's text on the screen, and hardly when you're 8' away from the 20" monitor on the wall... ;-)

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metalac:

well i got mine set to 720x480 and it looks GREAT

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J-e-f-f-A:

metalac: Yeah, it will... But probably at a 4 or 5GB/hour pricetag...

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metalac:

J-e-f-f-A: well i got 300gb, so it's cool :)

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Beirdo:

drive space is cheap :)

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Beirdo:

anyways, time for me to go to bed

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J-e-f-f-A:

metalac: Seriously, try dropping the resolution one step at a time until you see a difference, then bounce it back up one. You'll probably find you can get down to 544x480 before you see anything... What's your display btw? A monitor, or a tv?

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metalac:

J-e-f-f-A: It's a 42" LCD TV, so i try to keep the res up high

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defaultro:

hey folks, which package does dvbstream belong to?

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J-e-f-f-A:

g'night Beirdo!

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J-e-f-f-A:

metalac: Ok, yeah, you're likely to see the artifacts more then... Especially with the picture 'stretched' to 42" wide...

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metalac:

J-e-f-f-A: yeah it sucked at defauld 480x480, even the OSD was unreadable, cuz the monitor is 1080p on top

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J-e-f-f-A:

metalac: Are you using XVMC?

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metalac:

J-e-f-f-A: yeah

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J-e-f-f-A:

metalac: What resolution are you running to your tv? A native 1080i?

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metalac:

at 1080p

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J-e-f-f-A:

(er.. make that 'p')

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metalac:

since the menus and stuff are like that

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metalac:

i try to run it as high as it can go

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word:

Dagmar: ok i got it all running now :D but for some reason it still says that error.. Could not open network socket – any idea what it means?

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metalac:

cable company only provides 1080i for now

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J-e-f-f-A:

metalac: What are you running out of Myth though?

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J-e-f-f-A:

metalac: oops-- I guess you already said 1080p... (duh!)

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Dagmar:

word: Nope, not unless the message gives more detail than that

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metalac:

J-e-f-f-A: well i got it setup the way i want, the last thing I need to do is hook up my cable box via firewire

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metalac:

J-e-f-f-A: firewire worked for a while and when it does it's great, but it's very unreliable and people tell me it's because of my firewire card, so need to find something better

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word:

Dagmar: guess i'll wait until my new new harddrive gets in..old one was broken..couldn't transfer files off of it more then 1.5 gigs per restart...

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Dagmar:

ouch

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J-e-f-f-A:

metalac: Sounds great... I'm running a mixed SD & HD system now – 3x SD tuners with Dish receivers, and 1x HD3000 for OTA HD (22 channels just pointing direct to boston)

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metalac:

J-e-f-f-A: that's pretty sweet i only have one SD card now, and trying to set this box up

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J-e-f-f-A:

metalac: My Living room tv is a 36" computer monitor with an X-Box SD frontend, and a Viewsonic N4 video processor (scales NTSC to VGA, very nicely)

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metalac:

J-e-f-f-A: i'm hopping to get a macmini or something along the lines as a front-end in the bedroom, but I'm not sure how well will HD fare over wireless

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J-e-f-f-A:

metalac: My BR is a 20" monitor running the highest the monitor will support, 1152x864 iirc... It's a 1GHz PIII system, and can just barely play 1080i without stuttering...

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metalac:

so is this over wired connection?

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J-e-f-f-A:

metalac: I'm not sure about wireless, but my 100BT network plays HD just fine...

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metalac:

oh ok

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J-e-f-f-A:

metalac: My house is wired with Cat5e, and I have all Switches – no hubs...

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PDiddy:

greetings all!

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J-e-f-f-A:

sup PDiddy?

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PDiddy:

having some fun with the new 0.20 release :)

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PDiddy:

omg opengl rendering + new included themes...

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J-e-f-f-A:

PDiddy: Did you upgrade from .19? Any issues?

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metalac:

yeah i'm waiting for official gentoo ebuilds too

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PDiddy:

actually, I did a fresh install. Just rebuilt my box from the ground up with some new hardware

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J-e-f-f-A:

PDiddy: Humm... Which distribution?

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PDiddy:

Ubuntu Dapper

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J-e-f-f-A:

PDiddy: Did you keep your database & recordings, or completly start over?

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PDiddy:

I completely started over

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J-e-f-f-A:

PDiddy: I suppose it's not much different than how I recovered my failed backend... I recoverd all the recordings as 'videos'...

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PDiddy:

my only issue seems to be getting Firewire working (I currently have two IVTV tuners which work great, but I want to try using my Motorola Digital HDTV cable box)

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PDiddy:

*nods to J-e-f-f-A* I actually had the hard drive die on my old mythbox, so I built up a nice SATA RAID 5 for this attempt.

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metalac:

PDiddy: i'm trying to get the firewire to go too. if you have a decent firewire card it should be no problem it seems

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J-e-f-f-A:

PDiddy: I should look into how much Digital cable would be for me as compared to Dish with 4 receivers... I wonder how many non-encrypted digital channels I can tune with my HD3000 on Comcast in Boston...

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PDiddy:

Well, I think everything should be good. Built the 3 libs I need, installed, ran the program to detect my box (which worked)

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PDiddy:

right now I just need to recompile 0.20 with firewire eenabled

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PDiddy:

after I do my configure it keeps showing "FireWire support no"

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PDiddy:

and doesn't want to build it in, evne if I --enable-firewire

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PDiddy:

My config line is exactly as follows:

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PDiddy:

./configure --prefix=/opt/mythtv --arch=i686 --enable-proc-opt --enable-xvmc --ernnable-xvmc-pro --enable-firewire --disable-xvmc-opengl --disable-distcc

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metalac:

hmmmm that's strange

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metalac:

the problem i had with firewire was that the node kept changing all the time

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metalac:

plus firewire connection would drop occasionally

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PDiddy:

nod

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metalac:

but it's bad because of my firewire card

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PDiddy:

seems like results vary based on firewire chipset

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metalac:

yea

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metalac:

i'm still trying to find one that works 100%

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PDiddy:

what config options did you use to compile it?"

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PDiddy:

mythtv that is

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metalac:

well i run gentoo so i just use their ieee1394 use flag

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Anduin:

PDiddy: The first check is for libiec61883, then if you have pkg-config it will check the version of it and libavc1394

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PDiddy:

ooh

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PDiddy:

crap, I think I figured it out...

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PDiddy:

since I built all this stuff in /opt/mythtv, I had to update my global PKG_CONFIG_PATH (I augmented it in /etc/profile).. but the shell I'm using to compile mythtv in hasn't been logged out/in to run the updated profile, so pkgconfig can't find the libs

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PDiddy:

Anuduin, you are a genius :-) That seemed to work, firewire is now yes!

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PDiddy:

now to compile!

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drcode:

is there good usb tuner that I can use with mythtv?

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PDiddy:

I believe one of the Hauppauge PVR USB tuners works

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drcode:

thanx

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PDiddy:

ooh

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PDiddy:

check this one out: http://gentoo-wiki.com/HARDWARE_go7007

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word:

Erm...mythweb isn't working after an upgrade from .19 to .20...i editted the password in the .htaccess file to the correct one..still doesn't work :-/

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regicide666:

Is there a reason my settings would keep changing to "Enable realtime priority threads" Even when I keep turning it off

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PDiddy:

mythweb is always tricky to get working

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PDiddy:

there seems to be a bug in the 0.20 release when it comes to scheduling a manual recording (although patch is already available on the bug tracker:)

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Mattwj2005:

hey guys :)

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drcode:

PDiddy is there somthing chiper?

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Mattwj2005:

what do you guys think of SDTVs?

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simcop2387:

Mattwj2005: i don't need no sexually diseased transmission vector :) they're ok if you can't get an HDTV

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Mattwj2005:

well I got $200 and I am looking for ideas :)

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Mattwj2005:

SDTVs well pick up HDTV signals right?

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xris:

some of them

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xris:

most, no

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Mattwj2005:

seriously?

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xris:

standard def != high def

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xris:

high def requires an mpeg decoder

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Mattwj2005:

right I just thought they displayed them at a lower resolution

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xris:

nope. that would require scaling.

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xris:

the best way to get HD into a standard tv is to let mythtv do the scaling for you.

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Mattwj2005:

that sucks

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drcode:

where can I find mythtv – usb hardware list?

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xris:

drcode: only really matters if linux supports it.

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xris:

afaik, there is one hauppauge tuner and one plextor one.

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drcode:

so I need only to check if it support linux?

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drcode:

I am looking for chiper

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drcode:

I dont need all the fetures

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xris:

Mattwj2005: kind of. when you can get an HD-capable tv for a few hundred, it's not that big of a deal

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xris:

drcode: chiper?

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drcode:

yep

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xris:

never heard that word

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PDiddy:

I got my 32" CRT Sanyo HDTV from Walmart for $560

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xris:

you mean "cheap"?

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PDiddy:

it's pretty hot

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xris:

drcode: any particular reason you want USB instead of PCI?

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Mattwj2005:

maybe I'll just upgrade my MythTV system :)

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SlicerDicer-:

xris: maybe he is feeling chipper tonight ;-)

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drcode:

yes

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drcode:

I want to check it inside qemu

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drcode:

it support most usb

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Mattwj2005:

I wish HDTVs were cheaper

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SlicerDicer-:

Mattwj2005: indeed

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Mattwj2005:

one of these days I am going to have to break down and buy a home theater

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xris:

drcode: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&am . . . ;btnG=Search

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SlicerDicer-:

I have to do the scaling thing

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xris:

Mattwj2005: I'm in the same boat

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xris:

I think I need a new receiver first, though.

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drcode:

k

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drcode:

I found

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drcode:

thanx

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SlicerDicer-:

xris: you do the hdtv scaling?

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Mattwj2005:

I get a bonus each year....maybe some year I'll use it to buy a HDTV home theater

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xris:

SlicerDicer-: yeah. record hd, playback via svideo

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SlicerDicer-:

xris: indeed

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xris:

Mattwj2005: wish I got that. my yearly bonus is $100. heh

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SlicerDicer-:

xris: I am thinking however of doing 480p

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Mattwj2005:

oh that sucks

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SlicerDicer-:

xris: how much more quality would 480p be over svideo?

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Mattwj2005:

mine is give or take 5% of my salary

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xris:

SlicerDicer-: afaik, svideo can be 480p

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SlicerDicer-:

really?

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Mattwj2005:

yeah

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SlicerDicer-:

whats the resolution of 480p?

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Mattwj2005:

plus stock options :D

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Zider:

hm, how do I go about to compile an x86 binary on a 64bit system?

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Zider:

oops, wrong window

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simcop2387:

usb capture boxes, aren't a BAD idea, but its not the best way to do it (easy to saturate the medium), but it's a decent way to extend your box if you don't have any more space internally

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xris:

SlicerDicer-: um, 480 lines

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xris:

displayed progressively instead of interlaced

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xris:

horizontal res isn't secified by the standard and can be anything from about 328 to 720

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SlicerDicer-:

ahh ok

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deadlyninja:

is anyone having mythtranscode problems with the latest svn build?

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Captain_Murdoch:

like what? and lossy (MPEG-4/nuv) or lossless (MPEG-2)

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deadlyninja:

i have svn mythtv installed and svn nuvexport, when i try to use nuvexport, mythtranscode sucks up all my ram, then all my swapfile and crashes

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deadlyninja:

im converting to an mpeg4 format

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Captain_Murdoch:

not sure, do you ever use mythtranscode normally? is it mythtranscode using the memory or the fifos it's writing to?

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Mattwj2005:

so do you think that CableCARD will ever work for MythTV?

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Captain_Murdoch:

don't hold your breath. write your congressman. :)

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Mattwj2005:

:)

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WhiteChocolate:

Hello all, I was hoping someone could help me with an issue I seem to be having. I just moved to a new place and changed cable providers, but I don't know to get mythtv to update the channel listings.

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simcop2387:

Mattwj2005: just wait for some tiwanese company to make hardware to get around it

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Mattwj2005:

I don't know much about them.....but they should have some way of controlling access so they can't be hacked and such....besides they would work under windows anyways....why not linux

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Mattwj2005:

:-P

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simcop2387:

DRM! TCPA!

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simcop2387:

DMCA!

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Mattwj2005:

yeah the movie and record industry need to chill out.....catcht a movie or something :-P

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Mattwj2005:

in my opinion they are never going to stop the real pirates and they are just making it rough on people that want to use it legally

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Cardoe:

WhiteChocolate: go to zap2it and update your stuff... then start mythtv-setup and pull down the new listing

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WhiteChocolate:

Cardoe: Thank you for your help. I already updated the stuff at zap2it, but didnt realize i needed to re-run mythtv-setup. I will try that right now.

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ShockValue:

any reason mythbackend depends on qt?

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Captain_Murdoch:

because it uses a bunch of Qt classes?

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GreyFoxx:

lol

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GreyFoxx:

QT is more than just GUI widgets and such

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Mattwj2005:

wow the CW network really sucks :-P besides Smallville of course

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ShockValue:

hrm, ok.. i always thought it was just a bunch of GUI widgets and such.

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Captain_Murdoch:

Myth uses things like QString, QDatetime, etc. and even the Qt interface to MySQL.

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Captain_Murdoch:

am I dreaming that I thought that Qt 4.x and beyond were separating out the gui stuff from the non-gui more like glib vs gtk.

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Captain_Murdoch:

could be off my rocker again.

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ShockValue:

just trying to setup a backend-only box.. never been down this road before

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GreyFoxx:

I haven't looked at any of the docs for QT4 otherthan using embedded mysql with it

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GreyFoxx:

I can get QT3's module compiled with it included but so far no love

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Captain_Murdoch:

ShockValue: you don't need an X server, just export mythtv-setup remotely by tunneling over ssh or exporting directly

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Captain_Murdoch:

you need X libs, but don't have to run the server.

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GreyFoxx:

MAybe we should ditchit and just link directly to libmysqld :)

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** ShockValue looks blankly at Captain_Murdoch **

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ShockValue:

sure hope its possible, right now its a headless box :)

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Captain_Murdoch:

ShockValue: all my boxes except my frontend are headless

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** GreyFoxx heads to bed **

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** Captain_Murdoch needs to **

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ShockValue:

so if i ssh into my backend box, how do i get setup to run on my local box? (running KDE)

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ShockValue:

or ill go google it, :)

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Pryon:

Argh. Now my recordings are all defective

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Dagmar:

You run setup on your local box

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Captain_Murdoch:

on the local box, run this -> "ssh remote-backend mythtv-setup"

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Captain_Murdoch:

might need "ssh -X" if you don't have ssh setup to enable X forwarding by default.

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ShockValue:

ok, thanks

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ShockValue:

sorry Dag, im not linux savvy enough to catch what you meant from that snippet

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Dagmar:

It's plain English.

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Dagmar:

If you want setup run on your local box, run it on your local box.

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ShockValue:

way to come in halfway through a conversation.

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Dagmar:

Way to act like a 'tard

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ShockValue:

Dag, you get off sitting on IRC all night and playing "im smarter than you because I can be obtuse and rude." ? last time i checked, this channel was set up for mythtv support and chat.

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Dagmar:

It's not exactly complex. Running mythtv-setup can be done pretty much anywhere. It stores stuff two places... One being the database server, the other being the file mysql.txt

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Dagmar:

Yeah, and if you'll stop being an offended noob for a minute you will understand why it's not as complex as you think to run the setup program pretty much anywhere.

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ShockValue:

yeah, except i dont have mythtv-setup on this local box.

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Dagmar:

You don't need it on that local box

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Dagmar:

Run it on anything you like, so long as you can figure out how to export the display to somewhere

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ShockValue:

yes, Captain_Murdoch explained that to me.

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Dagmar:

So your question means you don't know how to export the display of an X app to another machine then?

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Dagmar:

Because strangely, I think when someone asks how they run something on a machine, they mean they want it running on that particular machine.

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Dagmar:

`DISPLAY=wherever:0.0 mythtv-setup`, or if you've setup ssh tunneling for X on both ends, you don't even have to specify that much... it'll be handled automatically.

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ShockValue:

yes, already been answered by someone with a bit of intuition into the nature of my query.

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Dagmar:

Except he's fucking WRONG

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Dagmar:

`ssh hostname appname` will NOT work without X forwarding set up

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defaultro:

hey folks, finally, atscscan was able to find channels after introducing an cable amp in the cable. Found out from service menu that my comcast signal(20db) is very low which is not acceptable for qam256 scanning

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Dagmar:

I was rather hoping to avoid pointing out someone was incorrect, and instead explain how it works so you'd just understand it

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Dagmar:

defaultro: Ouch. Cheap coax cables maybe?

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defaultro:

i still don't know

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defaultro:

it's a Steren RG6 quad

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defaultro:

but has wounds in it

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defaultro:

like cuts

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defaultro:

accidentaly/intentionally cut by my builder

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defaultro:

not all the way cut though

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defaultro:

here is what am planning to do next

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defaultro:

bypass my cables, bring down STB to the comcast's wire

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defaultro:

then go to service menu to check SNR

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defaultro:

my snr was at 19 which is very low

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Dagmar:

Cuts might introduce extra noise if you're in a heavily electrified area, but they're not that likeyl to cause signal drops unless they're halfway through the cable

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defaultro:

yes

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ShockValue:

hope its not comcast in general.. my HD/digi is showing up next week

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defaultro:

i;m hoping

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defaultro:

we will find out later after am done with atscscan

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defaultro:

i'll bring down stb to the demarc

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defaultro:

dumping lists (177 services)

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defaultro:

wow, that's huge

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defaultro:

but for sure, some are encrypted

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defaultro:

before I introduced the amp, services was only 20

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Mattwj2005:

most are encrypted on TimeWarner

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Mattwj2005:

only OTA are

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defaultro:

then when I introduce the Electroline amp, 177 services

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Mattwj2005:

*are not

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Captain_Murdoch:

Dagmar, if you'd read the whole IRC log instead of randomly skipping lines, you'll see that I mentioned to him that he needed -X if he didn't have X forwarding setup by default.

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Pryon:

speaking of comcast and sucking, we had a pretty good electrical storm in the area today and now I'm getting lots of defects in recorded programs. Digital cable is crappy too – lots of pixellation.

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visit0r:

xris: didn't help... couldn't seek without it geting messed up, had to watch the recording with xine... I'll take a better look later after work.

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sigger_:

yowsa. just got myth running on an old lappy with a cracked LCD. Like P3 700MHz old. Must have good GPU cause it runs better than my EPIA.

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Mattwj2005:

yeah TimeWarner is switching to Comcast in my area

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hjohnson:

damn core duos are pricey

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Captain_Murdoch:

pricey but fast, kinda like volvos, "boxey, but safe"

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anxt:

i jsut am setting it up on a p3–650 for my brother

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xris:

hjohnson: wait until october for the quad cores to come out

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anxt:

having werid db issue though

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Dagmar:

Doesn't matter. If ssh forwarding/tunneling isn't on on the _server_ it's not going to work even if he does -X

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sigger_:

anyone recommed a good/inexpensive USB IR receiver? (I assume I can't just pop a serial IR receiver onto a serial/USB adapter)

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sigger_:

anxt: db issue on p3?

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anxt:

well nothing to do with the p3

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anxt:

just isn't connecting, but i can connect with mysql clinet

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anxt:

weird

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sigger_:

sounds like db settings on front end

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Captain_Murdoch:

Dagmar: did you stay at a holiday inn express last night?

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Dagmar:

...and the default install for OpenSSH for just about everyone (for fear of getting harped on by BSD people) is for X11Forwarding to be off

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Dagmar:

No, I just *do* happen to have about fifteen years work experience with Unix

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kimo_sabe:

hmm, neat. Looks like the fglrx driver doesn't get along with video cover art with .20. It crashes mythfrontend

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Dagmar:

Which trumps "whiny attitude" 7 days a week

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hjohnson:

xris: I really don't want quad cores, too much heat

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Dagmar:

So get over it already.

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xris:

hjohnson: price drop

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Captain_Murdoch:

wow!!. I bow before you, and raise you about 3–4 years.

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hjohnson:

xris: oh, you mean price drop

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hjohnson:

heh

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hjohnson:

my myth backpend is going to be a dual core athlon 64

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xris:

and I actually meant conroe (I think that's what it's called)...

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Dagmar:

Then it's a damn shame you still don't know what openssh's default behaviours are.

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Captain_Murdoch:

the issue wasn't openssh, it was helping him understand how to view mythtv-setup on another box.

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** Captain_Murdoch checks the channel name **

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Dagmar:

yeah, and like I said, what you told him was wrong.

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anxt:

could anyone suggest why mythtv-setup cannot connect to db when i can connect fine with mysql clinet? of course qt has mysql support.

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Dagmar:

Givign someone a command to type blindly is just giving them fish.

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Dagmar:

TEACH them to fish if it's not that much trouble

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anxt:

give a man a match he will be warm for today, light him on fire he will be warm for the rest of his life.

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xris:

holy crap high res h.264 encodes are slow

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Pryon:

Light a fire for a person and keep them warm for a night. Light a person *on* fire and they stay warm for the rest of their life.

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Dagmar:

anxt: LOL

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Pryon:

dho

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defaultro:

finally, I'm able to capture HD now from comcast

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anxt:

Pryon: i commend you on your reframing of my anecdote.

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anxt:

;)

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** Captain_Murdoch likes to rile people up, it's almost as fun as coding sometimes. **

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** Mattwj2005 likes HDTV **

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anxt:

i am the worst coder in the world lol

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anxt:

ok maybe 4th worst

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xris:

ok, that's better... up over 8fps now.

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WhiteChocolate:

Wow, all this excitement on my first trip to IRC.

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** WhiteChocolate takes a picture **

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Dagmar:

You are fattening!

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Pryon:

White chocolate isn't.

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anxt:

take a screen shot it lasts longer.

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Dagmar:

Oh, the fat comes from all the coloration?

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defaultro:

I have never tried Air2PC v2 via qam256. Is it sensitive to capture data?

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** MythLogBot slaps WhiteChocolate with a no-flash-photography trout on behalf of xris... **

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Mattwj2005:

I am more the regular chocolate type

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Pryon:

Dagmar: No. I mean it isn't chocolate.

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Dagmar:

Oh

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xris:

Mattwj2005: Michele Cluizel (best chocolate in the world)

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Mattwj2005:

never had it

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xris:

get some.

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Mattwj2005:

where is it from?

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xris:

france

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** WhiteChocolate sets up his dagguerrotype equipment **

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xris:

I probably butchered the name, too

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Mattwj2005:

send some my way :)

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xris:

Mattwj2005: you can get it in the US

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Mattwj2005:

hmm

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xris:

local upscale grocery stores in my area carry it.

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Mattwj2005:

cool cool....I'll have to check it out

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xris:

http://seventypercent.com/

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xris:

(my wife used to be a pastry chef — we know a lot about chocolate :)

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Mattwj2005:

awesome

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xris:

ok, looks like I'm actually getting a better framerate out of h.264 than I am out of xvid.

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xris:

this could be a very good thing.

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xris:

guess I now have to bump up the res that the nuvexport ipod exporter can do

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anxt:

could anyone suggest why mythtv-setup cannot connect to db when i can connect fine with mysql clinet? of course qt has mysql support.

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xris:

anxt: what error does it give you?

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anxt:

could it be trying to connect through filesystem pipes instead of localhost?

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anxt:

DB error KickDatabase

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anxt:

database not open

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anxt:

mysql -u mythtv -p mythtv connects fine

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anxt:

trying to use 127.0.0.1 which it is bound to listen on

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xris:

anxt: run `mythtv-setup -v all`

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anxt:

ok

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anxt:

cool wasn't aware of that

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anxt:

that seems to be no more verbose

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anxt:

hmm

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anxt:

QSqlDatabase: QMYSQL# driver not loaded

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anxt:

hmm

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xris:

anxt: what distro?

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anxt:

oh shit

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anxt:

i think i figured it out lol

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anxt:

xris: gentoo

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xris:

you need to emerge mysql before qt

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anxt:

i bet i complied QT against mysql-4.1

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anxt:

xris: i know

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anxt:

i tried 4.1 i bet i downgraded to 4.0.27 but failed to recompile qt

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anxt:

DUH

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anxt:

slow machine, take 2 hours to find out if i am right

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anxt:

wonder if i can run ldd on some part of qt

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anxt:

thanks for your help xris

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anxt:

i feel liek a n00b lol

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defaultro:

btw folks, .20's scanning feature doesn't have any problem. :D

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anxt:

i have been a linux n00b for 8 years now

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defaultro:

i mentioned earlier that it wasn't working. I was wrong :P

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anxt:

i might hafta build .20

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defaultro:

i had weak signal from comcast. I'm about to test frontend now

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anxt:

xris: that is the issue i ran a quick revdep-rebuild, i am slow lol

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xris:

anxt: why not go to 5?

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defaultro:

btw, i tested playback of my recorded Hd earlier on .20, and it rocks

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anxt:

thanks very much i was at a loss.

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defaultro:

i usually have to pause and play it back in old version

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anxt:

xris: i am still warming up to the idea of gcc-4

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anxt:

and xorg-7

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xris:

heh

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anxt:

;)

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defaultro:

kudos to you folks

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defaultro:

;)

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xris:

another one of those weird gentoo users who treats their OS like debian. :)

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anxt:

heh

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anxt:

i got xorg 7

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anxt:

just about to switch to gcc-4.1.1

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anxt:

but a b0rked toolchain in gentoo is abad thing

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anxt:

xris: here i go lol... ezekiel xchatlogs # gcc-config 6

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anxt:

* Switching native-compiler to i686-pc-linux-gnu-4.1.1 ...

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Cardoe:

I'd probably recompile some stuff

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Cardoe:

but that's just me

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xris:

heh

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Cardoe:

and MythTV 0.20 is now fully in Gentoo

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Cardoe:

but masked

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Cardoe:

and untested by me

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xris:

Cardoe: btw, your ebuild syncing against -fixes now, or only against the official tarballs?

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Cardoe:

xris: my ebuilds always sync against -fixes

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Cardoe:

xris: they're in the format of mythtv-0.19_p####

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Mattwj2005:

anyone have DVB-S?

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xris:

Cardoe: cool. was just wondering what was up with isaac telling you to pull from the osuosl download site instead

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anxt:

i will test it soon

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anxt:

in a few minutes

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Cardoe:

where #### is the SVN revision of the fixes branch that ebuild is against

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anxt:

guess i will sync tree

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Cardoe:

xris: I dunno why he said that.

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Cardoe:

xris: since I put the tarballs on the Gentoo mirrors

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Cardoe:

and the ebuilds only pull from there.

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xris:

heh

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xris:

yeah, no clue

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Cardoe:

since I know that box probably has high load... why add to it.

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Cardoe:

any Gentoo users hitting that system are not from me.

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Cardoe:

I make SVN snaps of -fixes

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Cardoe:

and put bzip2 the patch and put them on Gentoo mirrors too

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anxt:

xris: you are on the dev team ?

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xris:

yes

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anxt:

i was thinking about first writing a patch for my ice1712 with no standard mixer, but then found jack did it

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anxt:

i code and i love myth i wonder if there are managable jobs for me

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anxt:

was thinking mythmusic sync to ipod might be neat too

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anxt:

guess i should look at trac

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anxt:

i could prolyl get paid for some of it at work lol

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xris:

ipod stuff just requires a recent enough libgpod

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anxt:

ahh and that is dragging in crap

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anxt:

i was thinking it might appears as usb mass storage device

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anxt:

my sister has one i don't

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anxt:

maybe i will just surf the tickets for a while

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xris:

it does, but the db is proprietary

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xris:

libgpod makes it relatively easy, though.

[06:22:23]

xris:

only partially f's up the db... (still sore over a totally f'd up attempt to upgrade my ipod to the latest firmware today)

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anxt:

did it brick ?

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xris:

no

[06:23:02]

xris:

just weird stuff like causing itunes (windows) to hang

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anxt:

PTL

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xris:

had to format it on a mac, then take it back to the pc and reformat again.

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xris:

all to do a firmware update

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anxt:

oh my

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anxt:

i have macs at work none at home

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anxt:

was thinking about macbook, but prolly go pc anyway, cheaper

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anxt:

well sort of

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xris:

sort of

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xris:

decent pc is $1500, macbook is $1500

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anxt:

thats what i meant, dual core 1.7 io can get for 1200 in canada

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anxt:

macbook i mean

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anxt:

i was pricing single core notebooks

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anxt:

be nice to just flip open have my source, and eclipse just waiting

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anxt:

i never set up cvs or svn, so i would tar up my sourse, and upload it to a shell

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anxt:

real pita, when yo get an idea out of the blue.

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anxt:

i am gonna hafta rip a pvr-250 out of this box to set up my bros

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simcop2387:

hmm you know it should be possible to build the video dvd's with mytharchive can be imported

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anxt:

mytharchive is making me excited

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xris:

i just don't see the appeal.

[06:29:04]

xris:

2–3 hours of recordings per dvd, or archive to xvid and get 11 or so per dvd

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Cardoe:

xris: lame

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Cardoe:

xris: do it by hand dude

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Cardoe:

ipod updates that is

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Cardoe:

that's how I do it

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Cardoe:

get the firmware file

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xris:

Cardoe: haven't a clue how to do it by hand, and would rather not brick my ipod

[06:29:47]

Cardoe:

dd it to the 1st partition

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RaYmAn-Bx:

xris: presumably mytharchive makes valid dvd's so it's useful if you need to bring a movie or something to a friend's house who only has a dvd player =P

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xris:

RaYmAn-Bx: that's what my ipod is for. :)

[06:31:03]

RaYmAn-Bx:

lots of people lack video ipods

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xris:

RaYmAn-Bx: you're not legally supposed to be sharing movies that way. but yes, I do understand your point.

[06:31:24]

** Mattwj2005 lacks a video iPod **

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xris:

only reason I have one is that I paid my sister the difference when she got a free nano worth of credit when she got her new macbook

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Cardoe:

I think I'm getting a Mac Mini when 10.5 comes out

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xris:

for linux or osx?

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RaYmAn-Bx:

tbh i'm not even entirely sure it's legal to record tv digitally in the first place (here, that is)..It's a bit of a gray area

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Mattwj2005:

where do you live rayman?

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RaYmAn-Bx:

Mattwj2005: denmark

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xris:

RaYmAn-Bx: well, at least you don't have to contend with the DMCA.

[06:33:40]

RaYmAn-Bx:

indeed.

[06:33:42]

** xris would happily live in denmark, land of my ancestors. **

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Mattwj2005:

the movie and record industry need to get a life

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Mattwj2005:

good news is there is a lot of open license content and independent labels

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simcop2387:

xris: well the real reason i like burning to video dvd is because my parents don't have a dvd drive to import from on their mythbox yet so it has to play for them on their dvd player

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RaYmAn-Bx:

in any case, burning to video dvd is no different than having a dvd recorder anyways

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xris:

RaYmAn-Bx: yes. it's the sharing part that's the problem.

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Mattwj2005:

in most cases in Americas come from one root....$$$

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RaYmAn-Bx:

xris: true. But whether someone comes over to my place and watches something or I go to their place and we watch something..what's the difference...Besides, with this kind of thing I couldn't care less whether it's legal or not :) I'd bring vcr's to people as well!

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Mattwj2005:

the movie and recorder industry are consistantly looking for people to sue....it is their new form of income

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xris:

RaYmAn-Bx: in the US, there's a difference. it's a *stupid* law, but it's still a law..

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Mattwj2005:

plus the US tries to push their laws on other countries

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RaYmAn-Bx:

they tend to sue people using <insert any p2p sharing program> here..and a lot..luckily you *can't* get in prison for pirating here

[06:38:19]

RaYmAn-Bx:

only get fined

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anxt:

well time to rip out a pvr-250

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anxt:

bbiab

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DMJC:

sharing is caring

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xris:

sweet. ipod honors aspect ratios

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xris:

much better than stupid avi which only does 1:1

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Mattwj2005:

anyone know if the new version of Knoppmyth comes with MythTV 0.20?

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simcop2387:

no clue, IIRC minimyth has 0.20 now

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Paladine:

lets try again :)

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Paladine:

anyone feeling charitable?

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Paladine:

am looking for someone to walk me through mythtv installon ubuntu

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Mattwj2005:

last I knew .18.1 could be downloaded using packages

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Paladine:

from what I read 0.19 is advised

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Paladine:

due to breakage with mysql5

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xris:

.20 would be better

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Paladine:

plus I been up all night andit is almost 8am and from what I have seen it is a pretty complex installation

[06:50:44]

Paladine:

so I don't wanna mess it up

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Mattwj2005:

just an idea :)

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xris:

Paladine: run `apt-get build-dep mythtv mythplugins`

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xris:

imho better to compile from source and get the latest version

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xris:

ubuntu won't have .20 for months

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Paladine:

unable to find source

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Paladine:

which repo I got to add?

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xris:

thought it was in multiverse

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Mattwj2005:

not sure.....I haven't done it for a while....I use all of them usually

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Paladine:

hangon I will be back in like 3 minutes, may as well empty my bladder and grab a coffee before starting, I suspect its gonna be a long session :)

[06:57:42]

Paladine:

k back

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Paladine:

I will tell you where I am at first

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Paladine:

I have my capture card installed and working currently watching tv in tvtime

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Paladine:

using tuner but only have 1 channel as it is all coming in through my skytv stb

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xris:

Paladine: you'll want to buy/build an IR blaster (irblaster.info)

[07:00:09]

Paladine:

k figured out the multiverse issue, seems sunaptic decided to disable multiverse after I already enabled it

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xris:

anyway, first thing is to find the ubuntu repo that has mythtv. thought that was multiverse.

[07:00:32]

xris:

ok, so do the build-dep thing and get what you need to build.

[07:00:37]

Paladine:

yup I know about that had a chat in here the other night

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xris:

then follow the instructions for grabbing the .20-fixes branch from svn: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/

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Paladine:

I already have a an MS media center remote and ir transmitters

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Paladine:

ok need to figure out why the repos keep disabling themselves sec

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Paladine:

ok I have everything enabled and it still is not finding source

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Mattwj2005:

sources and binaries are separate

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xris:

you need to enable deb-src in sources.list

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Paladine:

aye I am looking at sources.list now

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PDiddy:

hey.. I think I have my MythTV setup to talk to my Firewire cable box (it's defined as a source in mythtv-setup). What do I have to do in the frontend to switch video sources to the cable box from my analog tuners?

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xris:

PDiddy: mythtv-setup

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PDiddy:

hmm

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Paladine:

k it is building the deps now

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Paladine:

Iwas having a no brainer attack

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PDiddy:

xris-how can I set the cable box one to be higher priority? I'm in setup right now poking around

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Paladine:

helps if I update my repos after adding them :)

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xris:

PDiddy: priority doesn't work properly yet

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PDiddy:

oh

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PDiddy:

hmm

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PDiddy:

so is there a workaround to make the cable box the default? I don't think I want to run this way permanently, but I'd like to poke around and see what is actually available through that (and if it works at all)

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PDiddy:

I'd rather not delete the two analog tuners if possible

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Paladine:

k deps built

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simcop2387:

PDiddy: theres a key you can hit to change inputs while watching, check mythcontrols

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xris:

Paladine: do the svn checkout, like I said

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Paladine:

guess I should install svn

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Paladine:

this is pretty much a fresh install of dapper with the exception of bttv and tvtime

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PDiddy:

found it!

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PDiddy:

doh

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PDiddy:

It was the "Y" key to switch tuners. went to a black screen for awhile, then booted me out. Something must not quite be right. I'll keep playing though. Thanks!

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Paladine:

xris, I have never used svn before, only cvs, what do I need to install to use svn, there are a lot of svn packages in synaptic

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xris:

just "subversion" should be enough

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xris:

and it works just like cvs, but better. heh

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Paladine:

k thanks brb once I do this chckout

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Paladine:

I takeit I want the 0.2 stable branch?

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xris:

.20, yes

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xris:

.2 is *really* old. :)

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Paladine:

:)

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Mattwj2005:

hey any ideas what is coming up in .21?

[07:33:07]

simcop2387:

Mattwj2005: direct tv direct satalite viewing with bttv cards

[07:33:17]

** Mattwj2005 points up that MythTV will be drinking age :-P **

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Mattwj2005:

how will that work?

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Ribs:

haha

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simcop2387:

Mattwj2005: it can't :) bttv cards can't tune to 12ghz signals

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simcop2387:

typically...

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Paladine:

what about dvb s2 cards?

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Mattwj2005:

I don't know why that couldn't make cards that could....look at DVB-S cards for example....it is possible

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Paladine:

they are supposed to support directtv and satellite

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xris:

Paladine: s2 would be nice, but you'd still need a legal way to get around the encryption, and that won't happen

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Paladine:

k checkout finished

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Paladine:

I take itI don;t need to do svn update

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xris:

no

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xris:

not just after checkout

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Mattwj2005:

I don't know why that just can't get it an access card like the receivers

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Paladine:

thats what I figured :)

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xris:

ok, so cd into mythtv and ./configure && make

[07:37:14]

xris:

and someone else is going to have to help you from here on out.. I need sleep.

[07:37:22]

simcop2387:

Mattwj2005: because DTV wants you to buy their pvrs, their hardware, their tvs (not yet but eventually why not?)

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Paladine:

its making now

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Mattwj2005:

good point

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Paladine:

this is the part where I pray it doesn't fall over :)

[07:38:11]

Mattwj2005:

companies are jerks

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Mattwj2005:

they are so greedy

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Paladine:

xris, thanks for the help have a good sleep

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Mattwj2005:

open source is one of the greatest things that I have came across in a long time

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Mattwj2005:

it just shows that not everything has to revolve around money

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Mattwj2005:

:)

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simcop2387:

yep

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simcop2387:

well bed time

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Mattwj2005:

I can't program my way out of a box but I do help with Wikipedia

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Mattwj2005:

good night simcop2387

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mchou:

lol...wikipedia. It's like a box of chocolates. You never know what crap you might find and it leads to brain rot

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Paladine:

yeah I am not a fan of wikipedia

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Paladine:

it ishorribly inaccurate

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mchou:

Paladine: Couldnt agree more with you on that......

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Paladine:

it amazes me how many "intelligent" people cite wikipedia as a source

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mchou:

I read some science entries on wp and they are TERRIBLE

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Paladine:

now uncyclopedia is a different story altogether

[07:45:04]

Paladine:

cracks me up

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Mattwj2005:

really?

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Paladine:

getting a lot of warning about non virtual destructors with this build, I take it they are nothing to worry about?

[07:46:06]

Mattwj2005:

I am surprise most people are so positive about Wikipedia

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Paladine:

Mattwj2005, no offense but the average Joe doesn't really know a great deal, so they tend to believe the first thing they read and therefore don't realise the glaring problems with wikipedia

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Paladine:

they assume it is accurate

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Mattwj2005:

I can see that

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Paladine:

"its on the web and everyone talks about it, so it must be right..."

[07:48:23]

Paladine:

people need to go to their library and pick up a text book every now and again :)

[07:48:32]

Mattwj2005:

true

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Mattwj2005:

but if you don't like it you can get a refund :-P

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Paladine:

Ilove text books

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Paladine:

I am a lifetime academic

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mchou:

the really sad think about wikipedia is if scientific entries arent right, I'd hat to think about how "wrong" to more subjective entries like politics are.

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mchou:

hate*

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Paladine:

I don't think this is gonna build and be setup in time for the next episode of New Yankee Workshop ;)

[07:51:38]

mchou:

man, is that show still on the air?

[07:51:51]

Paladine:

yeah a couple of times a day in the UK

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Paladine:

one of my favourite shows

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mchou:

it was around since I was a little kid

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Paladine:

its been going for over 20 years afaik

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Mattwj2005:

Doctor Who is my favorite UK show

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Paladine:

i haven't watched any of the new dr who's

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Paladine:

I was a hardcore fan of the original ones back in the 70s/80s though

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Mattwj2005:

they are really good....I have never really seen any of the old ones

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Paladine:

egads that makes me sound real old lol

[07:53:44]

** Mattwj2005 was born in 1981 **

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mchou:

hmm, watermelon :)

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Paladine:

my missus was born in 82

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mchou:

Paladine: stop robbing the cradle :)

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Mattwj2005:

lol

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Paladine:

:)

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Paladine:

you know what they say

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Paladine:

you are only as old as the woman you feel

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Mattwj2005:

lol

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Paladine:

so I am 24 :)

[07:56:20]

Mattwj2005:

good one Paladine

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mchou:

Paladine: until you have a heart attack while "performing" :)

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Mattwj2005:

what if you don't have a woman.....does that mean your dead?

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Paladine:

or maybe not born?

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Mattwj2005:

oh yeah good point

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Paladine:

our son has a new tooth :)

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Paladine:

(missus just phonedform upstairs)

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Paladine:

s/form/from

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mchou:

Paladine: huh?? phoned? via VoIP?

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mchou:

or cell?

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Paladine:

no we have intercom on the DEC phones

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mchou:

ohh

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Mattwj2005:

what is a DEC phone?

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Paladine:

DECT

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Paladine:

DEC

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Paladine:

whatever :)

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Paladine:

wireless phones

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Mattwj2005:

oh okay....never heard of it before :-P

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Paladine:

so anyone wanna take over helping me with this install?

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Paladine:

looks like mythtv finished building without errors

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mchou:

I was shopping at wallmart, and they had a skype phone for $25.....

[07:59:39]

mchou:

walmart*

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mchou:

too bad it wasnt cordless

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Paladine:

am not even allowed to take my PDA into the bedroom, so skype phones forinternal use would be a bit pointless here

[08:00:25]

Paladine:

bedroom is a non tech zone

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mchou:

Paladine: haha

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Mattwj2005:

:-P

[08:00:49]

Kelerion:

how about bluetooth recievers for your mobile phone?

[08:00:55]

mchou:

Paladine: not even myth in bedroom?

[08:01:09]

Kelerion:

I got one of those working with skype

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Paladine:

we have a 28" tv with seperate satelite subscription in the bedroom

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mchou:

Kelerion: which bt headphone you using with skype? and which bt dongle?

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Paladine:

myth will be purely for my personal use recording all my home improvement and woodworking shows

[08:02:11]

Paladine:

and sg1/sga when the new season starts :)

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Kelerion:

mchou, some generic one I got in a electronics store.. .and a sony ericson headset

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Paladine:

so anyone know where I go from here?

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Mattwj2005:

stargate doesn't have new episodes yet?

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Kelerion:

mchou, should work with pretty much any

[08:02:54]

Paladine:

I have done the svn checkout and configured/built mythtv

[08:03:12]

Paladine:

Mattwj2005, they always make us wait n the UK

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Mattwj2005:

oh okay

[08:03:25]

mchou:

Kelerion: I dunno. there are plenty of bt dongles tha DONT support a2dp profile

[08:03:35]

Mattwj2005:

we are getting close to the middle of the season in the States

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Paladine:

everyone else just downloads them

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mchou:

Kelerion: that would be a requirement for me as I like using bt for mp3s too

[08:04:00]

Kelerion:

this is an epox one

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Paladine:

but that wouldn't be a good idea for me

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Paladine:

MPAA don't like me very much

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Mattwj2005:

I know Atlantis comes out early in Canada the second part of the season...

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mchou:

Kelerion: linky to dongle?

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Kelerion:

http://www-old.epox.nl/english/products/wireless/default.htm

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Kelerion:

BT-DG03

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Mattwj2005:

when do you guys get Battlestar Gal

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mchou:

Kelerion: no a2dp profile on that one :)

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mchou:

Kelerion: and it's bt 1.1, a bit dated now

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Kelerion:

whats this a2dp thing?

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mchou:

Kelerion: stereo music over bt

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Kelerion:

I know.. I got it ages ago.. but it works

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Paladine:

sudo make install now I presume?

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mchou:

Paladine: basically the bt dongle has to look like a sound card to OS

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mchou:

oops, that was meant for Kelerion

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Paladine:

I figured that :)

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mchou:

Kelerion: and in linux ot would load snd-bt-a2dp :)

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Kelerion:

works the same way with the sco module

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mchou:

sco module??

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mchou:

what the hell is that?

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mchou:

I thought linux and sco dont get along :)

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Kelerion:

the bluetooth-alsa project uses either sco or a2dp modules

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Kelerion:

not *that* sco..

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Kelerion:

http://bluetooth-alsa.sourceforge.net/

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Kelerion:

the btsco one

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Kelerion:

and those suppport a2dp... so you should be able to get it to work

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mchou:

Kelerion: nah, btsco is lame

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mchou:

it's using CPU as DSP

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mchou:

whereas a2dp has HW DSP on board

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Kelerion:

well.. I don't know much about this stuff.. I just got my btsco thing working with skype... but that bluetooth-alsa project talks a lot about a2dp too

[08:15:29]

Kelerion:

anyways... was just an idea :)

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mchou:

Kelerion: where you live again?

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Kelerion:

UK

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mchou:

Kelerion: is skypeOut free to land lines in UK?

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Kelerion:

not free.. but cheap

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mchou:

Kelerion: you ever get disconnected w/skype in middle of call?

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Mattwj2005:

I wish I lived in the UK

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Mattwj2005:

one word....

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Mattwj2005:

DVB-S

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mchou:

Kelerion: it's happened to me often enough to be annoying

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Kelerion:

not really no... apart from when I do it over wireless.. but thats an issue I have with my router

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Dibblah:

Mattwj2005: Eh?

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mchou:

Mattwj2005: in the US there is FTA

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Mattwj2005:

yeah but the channel selection is better in the UK :)

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Kelerion:

wouldn't know...never looked into DVB-S

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Dibblah:

... You may mean DVB-T? ;)

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Mattwj2005:

nope satellite

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Mattwj2005:

DVB-S

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Dibblah:

There's lots of channels, yes. But they're pretty much all encrypted.

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mchou:

Mattwj2005: DVB-S in UK sucks if you wanted to watch world cup

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Mattwj2005:

why is that?

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Kelerion:

because it's encrypter

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Kelerion:

d

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mac_:

hey

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Kelerion:

thats why we have Sky

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mchou:

Mattwj2005: cause of Sky Exclusive

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** mac_ reinstalled his myth box.. works almost fine now **

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Mattwj2005:

yeah we have Direct TV and Dish Network...but I like free

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mchou:

Mattwj2005: ppl in UK turned to arabic satellites for world cup

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Mattwj2005:

lol

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Mattwj2005:

really?

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Paladine:

do I need to install the backend if all i want to do is watch tv and record shows from a single machine?

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mchou:

Mattwj2005: that's no joke

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Mattwj2005:

wow

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mac_:

Does anyone use viaxvmc for mpeg2 rendering in 0.20?

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Mattwj2005:

that is crazy

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Mattwj2005:

I almost want to spend some money and play around with it

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Mattwj2005:

but I am not sure if it is worth it

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Dibblah:

mac_: Pretty sure the ticket you added a comment to is a different issue to yours.

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Dibblah:

... Since it's about S3 (Suspend to RAM)

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Dibblah:

Paladine: Yes.

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Paladine:

Dibblah, even if I don't want to do any scheduling?

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Paladine:

I just want to be able to record what I am actually watching

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Dibblah:

Yes.

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mac_:

Dibblah: Should I add a new ticket?

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Kelerion:

Paladine, backend is the bit that actually does the recordings... whether it's live tv or not

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Dibblah:

mac_: I don't think so – This doesn't sound like it's a generic problem. Many, many people use VIA boards :(

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mac_:

Dibblah: I wonder why I am the only one being affected then

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mac_:

Dibblah: the strange thing is.. "standard xvmc" acceleration seems to work, with little stuttering obviously because its not optimized.. via xvmc is just blank

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Dibblah:

Have you tried reverting to 0.19?

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mac_:

Thats the next thing I am going to try

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mac_:

I know it worked then

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Dibblah:

And checked that the problem goes away?

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mac_:

however, 0.20 is nice from what I have seen.. instant channel switch :)

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Dibblah:

That should narrow it down – Unless it's a setting that's accidentally been changed in the DB :(

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mac_:

But, um.. the 0.20 database is hardly compatible with 0.19, right?

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Agrajag-:

so use your backup you made before upgrading

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mac_:

Good point. However, no backup. Silly me.

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mac_:

But for testing, it will be fine.

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Mattwj2005:

well so far I get 6 HDTV channels

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mac_:

I wonder if there still can be some misconfigeration on my part

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mac_:

Hmm.

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mac_:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/XvMC seems to indicate that my CLE266 supports "unichrome"

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mac_:

Does anyone know the difference between unichrome and unichrome-pro?

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Zider:

unichrome is less pro ;)

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mac_:

heh. Found it already in the WIKI

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Zider:

mythtv wiki?

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mac_:

yeah

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Zider:

mac_: could you URL me? I don't find it..

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mac_:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/XvMC

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mac_:

Actually very usefull, I guess

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mac_:

maybe I can solve my problem with that

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** mac_ adores ccache **

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mac_:

time to recompile myth again

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Zider:

I don't see anything about the differences?

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mac_:

Look in "Unichrome"

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Zider:

I am

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mac_:

CN400 and PM800 chipsets are reported to support HDTV resolutions on VGA/DVI outputs. These are usually referred to as "Pro" chipsets.

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Zider:

that's all?

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mac_:

Well, yeah thats the differente between "pro" and non-pro

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mac_:

I guess

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mac_:

My chipset is just unichrome, I guess

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Zider:

feels like there should be more differing..

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mac_:

Possibly

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mac_:

But I dont really know.

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Paladine:

is it safe for me to ignore the real-time scheduling part of the installation?

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Anduin:

Paladine: sure

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Paladine:

oh cool Anduin woke up :)

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Paladine:

k this installation is confusing me

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Paladine:

I have mythtv built

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Paladine:

thats as far as I have got

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Paladine:

if you aren't busy and feel upto it, I would appreciate some help :)

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Anduin:

I'll be around for a few minutes

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Paladine:

well i don't have a clue where to go from here hehe

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Anduin:

Paladine: Which guide are you using?

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Paladine:

trying to use the docs on the mythtv site

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Paladine:

xris walked me through buildingthe dependencies, doing the svn checkout and building mythtv

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Paladine:

I have run makeinstall too

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Paladine:

scuse my spacebar

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Anduin:

Paladine: so DB setup and mythtv-setup then TV mostly

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Paladine:

so go straight to section 6 now (MySQL) ?

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Anduin:

Paladine: Yeah, once everything is built and installed, DB, then mythtv-setup

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Paladine:

k i will see how far I get before breaking it :)

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Anduin:

Paladine: Which distro?

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Paladine:

Ubuntu

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Paladine:

hmm seems build-dep didn't install mysql

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Paladine:

is .20 safe with mysql-server 5.0

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Anduin:

Paladine: Yes

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Paladine:

k I better get mysql-server installed then brb

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Anduin:

0.19-fixes has bee as well for > 6 months

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Paladine:

just mysql-server-5.0 needed right? no extra packages?

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Anduin:

Paladine: I have no idea how Ubuntu breaks things out, generally you need the Qt MySQL driver (which needs the MySQL client libs)

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Paladine:

yeah mysql-client and the libs installed as dependencies of mysql-server

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fish:

re

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Mattwj2005:

well I got to go to bed

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Mattwj2005:

later all :)

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Paladine:

k the database is present, lots of tables.

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Paladine:

I will need to do the sound config too cos my sound comes into line-in

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Anduin:

Paladine: There is a section in the docs in the 20s that should cover it

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Paladine:

yeah just securing mysql first :) been a while since I used mysql so I have to double check the grant tables

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Anduin:

The single best investment you can make for your myth box is one of the hardware cards.

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Anduin:

Bah, it is your TV

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mac_:

I have 2 tuner cards for my mythbox now..

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Anduin:

A second tuner is the second best investment.

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mac_:

Indeed. When I solved my via xvmc problem (hopefully..) it'll be all very smooth.

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Paladine:

k I hit a problem

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Paladine:

paladine@main:~$ /usr/local/bin/mythtv-setup

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Paladine:

/usr/local/bin/mythtv-setup: error while loading shared libraries: libmythtv-0.20.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory

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mac_:

locate libmythtv-0.20.so.0

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Paladine:

yeah I see it

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Paladine:

it is in /usr/local/lib

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mac_:

Add /usr/local/lib to /etc/ld.so.config

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mac_:

and run ldconfig

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Paladine:

still isn't seeing it

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Paladine:

I had to create /etc/ld.so.config

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Paladine:

sudo ldconfig didn't fix it

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Anduin:

conf

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Anduin:

.conf

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mac_:

Oh, right.

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mac_:

Sorry:)

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Paladine:

ld.so.conf doesn't exist either

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mac_:

Create it

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mac_:

Didnt exist yesterday on my box either

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mac_:

I added it, and fixed the exact same problem

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Anduin:

Paladine: Probably everything is in /etc/ld.so.conf.d

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Paladine:

k am in the capture card settings now, do you know which device line-in is?

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Paladine:

the audio device is set to /dev/dsp by default

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Paladine:

but mine uses line-in

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octan_:

hi you all

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octan_:

im planning on installing a 64 bit linux distro.. but i need to know if mythtv works with 64 bit? and does the driver ivtv works on a 64 bit system?

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janneg:

octan_: yes

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Kelerion:

octan_, lots of ppl use 64 bit myth systems quite happily

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octan_:

both works fine ?

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octan_:

;D

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octan_:

thats realy good to hear

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octan_:

lirc will also run fine?

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octan_:

blah i could always jail em to 32 bit right?

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Kelerion:

as far as I know everything you'll need for your myth setup will work in 64 bit

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octan_:

;D

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Paladine:

k its running

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octan_:

i'll go and install one then ;)

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octan_:

Kelerion, i'll hunt you down if it doesnt work :P

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** Kelerion chuckles **

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Paladine:

getting a kinda funky feedback with the sound though

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Kelerion:

he's in norway... I'm safe :)

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Paladine:

I can set the levels see if that will fix that

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Paladine:

so how do I make it record?

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Paladine:

anyone awake?

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** stuarta snores quietly in the corner **

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Paladine:

how do I make mythtv start to record?

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** stuarta passes Paladine TFM **

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Paladine:

I have the page open right in front of me but I don't see the record key listed

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stuarta:

'R' ???

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Paladine:

ah I see it now in the livetv section

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Paladine:

was looking in the wrong section

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Paladine:

thanks

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Paladine:

haha that rocks :)

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stuarta:

most of us just schedule recordings...

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Paladine:

I seriously need to get a hardware encoder though cos the sound issue is annoying

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Paladine:

I can't schedule recording until I setup an IR blaster

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Paladine:

sinceI only have 1 channel coming into the tuner

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Paladine:

the channels are changed on the Set top box

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Juski:

getting pissed off with packing stuff now

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Merlin83b:

What you packing for, Juski?

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Merlin83b:

Office move?

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Juski:

yup

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Paladine:

the delay will take some getting used too as well

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Juski:

doing that _and_ my normal job

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Paladine:

waiting 2 seconds from when i pressed the remote control for the OSD to appear is weird

[11:08:07]

Juski:

Paladine: that's part of the conspiracy to make you stop using live tv

[11:08:22]

Juski:

Paladine: that isn't normal at all.

[11:09:11]

Paladine:

well it is

[11:09:19]

Paladine:

because the OSD is part of the capture

[11:09:34]

Kelerion:

you mean your stb's osd

[11:09:36]

Juski:

oh the STB OSD you mean...

[11:09:38]

Paladine:

not the mythtv OSD

[11:09:41]

Paladine:

the skytv osd

[11:09:46]

Paladine:

yes

[11:09:52]

Juski:

you spelled it wrong. it's $KY

[11:10:00]

Kelerion:

Paladine, there is a way to schedule it without a blaster you know

[11:10:13]

Paladine:

there is?

[11:10:16]

Kelerion:

yup

[11:10:21]

Paladine:

do tell

[11:10:24]

Paladine:

this is all very new to me

[11:10:32]

Juski:

schdule the $ky box to change channels and schedule mythtv to record at the same time

[11:10:34]

Paladine:

I am suprised I got it working at all to be honest

[11:10:42]

Kelerion:

set the schedules in myth.. then set the epg on sky to "auto view" whats in your sky schedule

[11:10:47]

Kelerion:

it's a pain.. but it works

[11:11:03]

Juski:

prone to going wrong when you forget to do either operation though

[11:11:07]

Paladine:

yeah I could do that

[11:11:08]

Kelerion:

yup

[11:11:24]

Kelerion:

I did it for a while before I got my blaster

[11:11:45]

Merlin83b:

Hooray! I won an eBay auction for some more memory for my myth box :-)

[11:11:57]

Merlin83b:

When's the move, Juski?

[11:12:02]

Paladine:

I should check resource usage here in a mo

[11:12:05]

Juski:

last day here tomorrow

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[11:12:19]

Paladine:

I should think I am doing ok with 2GB RAM and a nice fast CPU

[11:12:29]

Juski:

then on monday I'm off to sunny Daresbury :-|

[11:12:50]

stuarta:

where the .... is that?

[11:12:59]

Kelerion:

never heard of it.. lol

[11:13:07]

Juski:

in the arse of cheshire

[11:13:12]

** Kelerion chuckles **

[11:13:45]

Paladine:

am hoping to win this pvr150 auction on ebay

[11:13:48]

Juski:

near the gyproc mining place.. can never remember its name

[11:14:06]

Juski:

Paladine: if you win, it'll prolly cost more than at PC world

[11:14:07]

stuarta:

but closer to the directors home?

[11:14:15]

Juski:

stuarta: you got it

[11:14:19]

Paladine:

Juski, 23 quid at the moment

[11:14:27]

Paladine:

which is a shed load cheaper than pc world

[11:14:27]

Merlin83b:

lol. We're about to move offices much further away from home :-)

[11:14:44]

Juski:

Paladine: 23 quid NOW yes... how long left?

[11:14:48]

stuarta:

Merlin83b: not moving to London are we?

[11:14:49]

Paladine:

a day

[11:14:54]

Paladine:

only 3 bids so far

[11:15:04]

Juski:

Paladine: no chance. look at the prices completed items went for

[11:15:07]

Merlin83b:

stuarta: Heh, nope. Still Manchester but moving out of rented offices and buying somewhere.

[11:15:20]

Paladine:

juski, the used 150s are going for around 40 on ebay

[11:15:31]

Paladine:

buying new from pcworld is like 70 quid

[11:15:37]

** Juski bought his pvr150 _new_ for less than £40 **

[11:15:41]

Paladine:

the one I am watching is used

[11:15:56]

Merlin83b:

PC World? Blimey. Go and buy from somewhere else.

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[11:16:01]

Paladine:

where the heck you get a 150 for cheaper than 40 quid?

[11:16:05]

Merlin83b:

As Juski said, new they're not a lot.

[11:16:09]

stuarta:

anyware but pc world

[11:16:15]

Merlin83b:

ebuyer.co.uk for example

[11:16:16]

stuarta:

anywhere even

[11:16:17]

Paladine:

I checked a bunch of sites, they all want 65–80 quid for them new

[11:16:19]

Merlin83b:

froogle or kelkoo it.

[11:16:27]

Paladine:

ebuyer wnat 65 quid iirc

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[11:16:47]

Paladine:

amazon is like 73 or something stupid

[11:17:00]

MiX-MaN:

i've been away from myth for awhile and was wondering if there is any updated info on running it with a ATI AIW card?

[11:17:00]

Juski:

amazon is like something stupid ;-)

[11:17:15]

stuarta:

AIW, no chance

[11:17:16]

Merlin83b:

Paladine: http://froogle.google.co.uk/froogle?q=hauppau . . . arch+Froogle

[11:17:23]

MiX-MaN:

stuarta: heh thx

[11:17:23]

Juski:

MiX-MaN: no it still won't work in Linux. ATI are at fault there

[11:17:26]

Merlin83b:

Plenty under 40 quid.

[11:17:34]

MiX-MaN:

figured :) oh well

[11:17:35]

Merlin83b:

order by price and there's pages

[11:17:46]

MiX-MaN:

ill just break down and get a pvr350

[11:17:58]

Juski:

MiX-MaN: not a smart move

[11:18:05]

MiX-MaN:

recommendations?

[11:18:15]

Juski:

pvr150/pvr500

[11:18:23]

MiX-MaN:

the 500 is hd right?

[11:18:34]

Juski:

no. where the hell are you getting your info?

[11:18:39]

MiX-MaN:

dunno

[11:18:44]

MiX-MaN:

lol ... its been awhile and im tired

[11:18:52]

Paladine:

Merlin, cheapest there is 38.24 (which I accept is a good price) but I am low on funds so if I can buy used for under 30 it would be preferable

[11:19:02]

** stuarta suspects the chocolate starfish :) **

[11:19:28]

Juski:

Paladine: before I bought mine I watched 150s on ebay for ages. all went for £60+

[11:19:38]

MiX-MaN:

oh ya.. its a dual card

[11:19:44]

MiX-MaN:

ill just shutup now

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[11:20:27]

Paladine:

you guys all watching sky with your cards too or you on dvb?

[11:20:35]

stuarta:

dvb-t

[11:20:46]

Juski:

dvb-t and nt-hell cable

[11:21:29]

MiX-MaN:

aight thx for the info.. im out

[11:21:37]

Juski:

not giving Murdoch any money if I can help it

[11:21:48]

Paladine:

merlin the 3 cheapest on froogle are all out of stock hehe

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Merlin83b:

Paladine: Fair enough, but there are a lot more than 3 around the 40 quid mark :-)

[11:24:41]

** Kelerion just remembered he's gonna have to dig out the feet for his tv again... sod knows where I put them.. lol **

[11:25:12]

Juski:

plenty time to find em ;)

[11:25:29]

Kelerion:

yup :)

[11:25:47]

Juski:

gonna ask the event organiser if we can sell case badges

[11:26:00]

Juski:

debian sell t-shirts at events so I don't see why not

[11:26:20]

Kelerion:

think enough ppl will want them? don't know how many ppl there will actually be *using* myth

[11:26:34]

Juski:

we'll see eh...

[11:26:47]

Kelerion:

it'll be fun if we meet a few anyways

[11:26:49]

Juski:

I can flog any left somehow

[11:26:57]

Kelerion:

ebay! lol

[11:27:26]

stuarta:

Juski: how's the planning for that going

[11:28:17]

Juski:

stuarta: not bad. Kelerion's got most of the donkey work cos he's taking all the hardware. I was priced out of the equation by Ken Livingstone

[11:28:41]

Kelerion:

huh?

[11:29:01]

** Kelerion didn't get the last of that statement **

[11:29:08]

stuarta:

C-Charge

[11:29:12]

Kelerion:

oh

[11:29:19]

** Kelerion thwaps his forehead **

[11:29:27]

Juski:

no not so much that.. the extortionate car parking fees

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[11:29:53]

stuarta:

good old labour, bend over and weep

[11:30:17]

Juski:

nearly £40 for 2 days' car parking.. and I'd be there for 3 days

[11:30:18]

Kelerion:

doesn't the olympia have parking for exhibitors? would have thought they would have

[11:30:32]

Juski:

oh yeah they do, but it's pay like everyone else

[11:30:38]

Kelerion:

ahh

[11:31:02]

Juski:

the only concession they make to exhibitions is having an area set aside for pickup & drop-off

[11:31:13]

Paladine:

oooo my credit card became unsuspended :)

[11:31:18]

Kelerion:

which is what i'll be doing

[11:31:53]

Juski:

Kelerion: so I can book my train, what time are you planning on arriving at the gate, so to speak?

[11:32:09]

Paladine:

I think I gonna have to buy me a pvr150 from froogle :)

[11:32:30]

Kelerion:

well.. do I need to be there for the 10am opening?

[11:33:04]

Juski:

Kelerion: how long do you reckon it'd take to set up?

[11:34:01]

Kelerion:

3 hours max I reckon.. just for the hardware... it'll all setup already... just gonna be putting it all back together again and setting up a couple of new inputs (cam and dvd etc)

[11:34:42]

Juski:

no need to rush then... the trains I've priced up will have me getting in about 1.30pm ish

[11:34:59]

Kelerion:

could just meet you there at that time then

[11:35:09]

Juski:

I'll confirm what time the venue closes on the tuesday.. I imagine it'd be about 6pm or later

[11:35:22]

Kelerion:

that should be *plenty* of time

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Kelerion:

one thing I'm not sure off though

[11:35:45]

Juski:

Kelerion: yeh I don't mind helping to setup, carry etc.

[11:35:50]

stuarta:

what are the times & dates? since I'm already in london it's easy for me to drop by

[11:36:09]

Juski:

stuarta Oct 25th & 26th.. see www.linuxworldexpo.co.uk

[11:36:30]

Juski:

Kelerion: I've been wondering how far the stand is away from the doors, and I bet you have too

[11:36:44]

Juski:

actually I think we'll be at the other end..

[11:36:46]

Kelerion:

this is a combo FE/BE I'll be taking.. with a pvr250 in it... that only has a tuner and an svideo... how we gonna plug in a dvd and a cam?

[11:36:49]

stuarta:

do we have to register separately or not?

[11:36:57]

Kelerion:

yeah.. because that TV ain't light.. lol

[11:37:14]

Juski:

stuarta: I'll handle passes & stuff. I'll drop you an email when I know more, k?

[11:37:28]

stuarta:

that's what I figured. cool.

[11:37:56]

Paladine:

I best not tell the missus

[11:37:58]

Juski:

Kelerion: I have a sack-barrow trolley-ish thing I used to ferry stuff @ LRL.. came in very handy

[11:38:09]

Dibblah:

Anyone have actual experience of core duo power consumption?

[11:38:16]

Paladine:

specially since it cost me nearly 50 quid withnext day delivery

[11:38:18]

Kelerion:

you can get it on the train?

[11:38:31]

Juski:

Paladine: careful she doesn't spot the new remote! I got rumbled that way once

[11:38:43]

** Kelerion laughs **

[11:38:43]

Dibblah:

I have a dual 130nm Xeon as backend / server and it's *hungry*.

[11:38:45]

Juski:

Kelerion: prolly not but I could drop it off to you

[11:38:54]

Paladine:

we have so many remotes in this house there is no way she would notice lol

[11:39:05]

Juski:

Paladine: that's what I thought, too

[11:39:08]

Kelerion:

when?

[11:39:22]

Paladine:

3 TVs, 3 DVD players, 2 VHS players, 3 Sky boxes and 2 windows MCE remotes

[11:39:30]

Dibblah:

Everyone is saying different things about it. Lowest I've seen is 90w system usage idle...

[11:39:37]

Juski:

Kelerion: in a while, but before the gig if you'll be around

[11:40:06]

Paladine:

she never comes into my office

[11:40:14]

Paladine:

its my zone

[11:40:15]

Kelerion:

don't worry about it... I'll have someone helping me with it all anyways..

[11:40:21]

Paladine:

brb have to make her a brew

[11:40:51]

Juski:

Kelerion: cool. maybe a good idea to have someone mind the car while folks are carrying too ;)

[11:41:05]

Kelerion:

oh good point.. no I won't... I'll have *you* helping me with it all.. lol

[11:41:06]

Juski:

I know it's a tech show but...

[11:41:09]

** Dibblah likes the new MCE transmitting ability :) **

[11:41:29]

Kelerion:

we can only fit me and the driver in the car when I've got all that kit in there! lol

[11:41:37]

Dibblah:

Juski: Why? It's only London... Oh. ;)

[11:41:42]

** Juski ponders buying an extortionately priced 'official' form tshirt **

[11:41:59]

Juski:

s/form/forum

[11:42:18]

Kelerion:

don't do *anything* official... remember LRL

[11:42:19]

Juski:

pah. £25 for a tshirt _I_ designed. sod that

[11:42:45]

Kelerion:

you are an unofficial representative *only*... lol

[11:42:52]

Juski:

lol

[11:43:15]

Juski:

I'll wear my flak deflector hat this time

[11:43:15]

Kelerion:

it's safer! lol

[11:43:58]

Kelerion:

that reminds me.. I'll have to get my new case ordered next week

[11:44:01]

Juski:

I'm still having mates email me & saying stuff like "you kept that quiet" about the LRL interview

[11:44:12]

** Kelerion chuckles **

[11:44:25]

Juski:

er.. no I bloody didn't!

[11:45:35]

Paladine:

damn she's too good

[11:45:44]

Paladine:

I went upstairs and offered her a cuppa

[11:45:52]

Kelerion:

"what you up to???"

[11:45:53]

Paladine:

first thing she said was "What you done now?"

[11:45:58]

** Kelerion laughs **

[11:46:01]

Paladine:

and I am a crap liar

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Juski:

roffles

[11:46:59]

Juski:

you're a bloke innit.

[11:47:05]

Paladine:

aye

[11:47:08]

Juski:

born guilty

[11:47:32]

Paladine:

fortunately it is my birthday next month and I have a job in which i will be finished with tomorrow which covers the card cost

[11:47:43]

Paladine:

so she was ok

[11:48:12]

Juski:

"yes dear"

[11:48:22]

** Juski retreats under a big thumb **

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kieran491:

is a mythtv slave able to operate on a AMD K6 350 mhz?

[11:51:51]

dopez:

i keep getting zero byte recordings every once in a while (say about 1 in 15 recordings) but also sometimes a recording with just black (the file is only around 100mb for 1 hour recording, this is with mythtv 0.20 and a dvbt-t terratec cinergy T2, the mailing lists do mention it a few times but mostly already over a year ago, is anyone here perhaps also seeing such issues?

[11:54:04]

Dibblah:

dopez: Are these encrypted channels?

[11:54:15]

dopez:

no, free to air (dvb-t in germany)

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Dibblah:

Recordings at the start-of-broadcasting of the channel?

[11:54:58]

dopez:

also not, these channels are on 24/7

[11:55:25]

stuarta:

is the show you are recording starting when the channel starts broadcasting?

[11:55:43]

Dibblah:

You probably want a backend log with -v channel at least...

[11:55:56]

Dibblah:

stuarta: Apparently not ;)

[11:56:15]

stuarta:

doh!

[11:56:17]

dopez:

the recording with only black did start after upgrading to 0.20 though, didn't have that with 0.18 (i had to skip 0.19 because even with -fixes i hardly got any recordings)

[11:56:20]

dopez:

:)

[11:56:26]

** stuarta sends himself back to reading school **

[11:56:28]

dopez:

i'll add that option to the backend

[11:56:31]

dopez:

*g*

[11:56:37]

Dibblah:

record as well, I guess.

[11:57:07]

Dibblah:

Do you get *any* good recordings from that channel?

[11:57:26]

mac_:

Can mythtranscode make use of dual core/quad core systems?

[11:57:40]

dopez:

yeah, it's really random as far as i can see, i do get most recordings, just once in a while not

[11:57:47]

drear:

would rt-patched kernel give any gains?

[11:57:58]

Dibblah:

dopez: Is your DVB-t card USB?

[11:58:14]

Dibblah:

drear: No.

[11:58:21]

drear:

Dibblah, k.

[11:58:22]

dopez:

Diabolic: yep

[11:58:38]

Dibblah:

I'm not that bad :(

[11:58:56]

dopez:

err, sorry, Dibblah, yep

[11:58:56]

stuarta:

dopez: although I've found that the kernel scheduler that guarantees a response in a certain maximum length of time helps

[11:59:02]

dopez:

(tab user)

[11:59:06]

Dibblah:

You may want to change your recording profiles to not record all streams.

[11:59:14]

Dibblah:

("Video only", etc)

[11:59:17]

stuarta:

drear: that was for you sorry.

[11:59:42]

dopez:

stuarta: you think it might be a timing issue?

[12:00:13]

drear:

stuarta, you mean the cfq io scheduler?

[12:00:13]

dopez:

Dibblah: i think it already does that, wasn't that the option 'write .ts files' in mythtv-setup?

[12:00:13]

Dibblah:

Some DVB-t fobs don't do may PID filters, so when a channel has too many 'interactive' streams, Myth can't handle them all.

[12:00:21]

stuarta:

dopez: sorry answered drear's question to you ...

[12:00:31]

dopez:

stuarta: ah okay, no problem :)

[12:00:34]

Dibblah:

dopez: No. It's in the frontend. Recording profiles.

[12:00:57]

Dibblah:

stuarta: Aren't video / audio PIDs prioritised now?

[12:01:21]

dopez:

Dibblah: oh okay, i'll have a look at that then, i know from this dvb-t box that it filters it in 'hardware' even though it's usb2 only

[12:01:23]

stuarta:

drear: sounds like it, but can't check atm...

[12:01:39]

Dibblah:

ie it'll prefer to drop a not-interesting stream...

[12:01:51]

drear:

stuarta, yep. just popped into my mind because rt-patches would give the complete real-time preemption

[12:01:55]

stuarta:

Dibblah: suspect you are thinking of the PMT prioritising/filtering...

[12:02:13]

Dibblah:

Maybe... I don't know :)

[12:02:46]

dopez:

okay, set to tv-only now, will test it

[12:02:46]

stuarta:

drear: i've found the rt scheduling doesn't help really, just the one that say's it'll get back to you in a maximum length of time...

[12:03:04]

** stuarta lunches.... **

[12:05:33]

Kelerion:

Juski, any ideas what the "OV" in OV16 is short for?

[12:05:49]

quicksilver:

mac_: no, but it will stop the transcode from tying up your machine, at least

[12:05:51]

Juski:

Kelerion: nope.

[12:06:04]

quicksilver:

mac_: with a dual or quad core you should be more able to transcode at the same time as recording something else, I'd imagine

[12:06:51]

Juski:

Kelerion: http://homepage.ntlworld.com/justin.hornsby2/linuxworldplan.gif

[12:07:14]

Juski:

damn I shoulda sent that in /msg

[12:07:26]

** Kelerion chuckles **

[12:07:31]

Juski:

.org village == OV

[12:07:34]

Kelerion:

thats what I've just been looking up :)

[12:07:37]

Kelerion:

aaahh

[12:08:13]

Kelerion:

well.. at least it's not the opposite end of the hall

[12:09:07]

Kelerion:

and at least it's on the ground floor

[12:09:56]

Juski:

yes.. that's always a big plus

[12:10:06]

Kelerion:

nice of them to offer the space

[12:10:35]

Juski:

everybody gains.. good PR for them, good for us :)

[12:10:47]

Kelerion:

never heard of them before...

[12:11:16]

Juski:

I might've met them at LRL I dunno

[12:13:24]

Kelerion:

better get MythTV talk.com updated for the new .20 btw

[12:14:07]

Juski:

how so?

[12:14:19]

Kelerion:

"MythTV Current Release: MythTV 0.19 (11 February 2006)"

[12:14:23]

Kelerion:

on home page

[12:14:34]

Juski:

ahh that's not my responsibility

[12:14:38]

Kelerion:

ah

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Kelerion:

ut oh.. I got famous and didn't even know

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LabMonkey:

Juski: do I understand correctly that the new libmythui structure would allow for mythfrontend to be modified for gtk/gnome in addition to qt and the opengl painters?

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Juski:

LabMonkey: why are you asking me of all people?

[12:20:01]

** Kelerion laughs **

[12:20:05]

Juski:

I don't know anyway

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LabMonkey:

Juski: because I incorrectly assumed that you were a myth dev

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Juski:

how the... ?

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Dibblah:

LabMonkey: QT isn't only used for UI. It's basically unstrippable from Myth.

[12:21:05]

LabMonkey:

that makes me a sad panda

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Juski:

qt is used for all sorts in myth.. string handling, db operations, opengl (oh yeah)....

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mac_:

Can mythtranscode make use of dual core/quad core systems?

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Juski:

mac_: in terms of being able to run more jobs at the same time, yes AFAIK

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mac_:

Juski: thats actually sweet :)

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mac_:

transcoding a dvd, and transcoding recorded stuff... awesome

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mac_:

heh

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Kelerion:

well.. doesn't look like my decorators are showing up today... so I might head to the pub

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** LabMonkey sighs **

[12:34:27]

LabMonkey:

so I'm trying to run mythfrontend inside a nx session

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LabMonkey:

it runs

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LabMonkey:

but myth doesn't seem to be able to talk to nxesd

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Dibblah:

LabMonkey: I really wouldn't bother – The video is way over NX's ability.

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stuarta:

Kelerion: worked it out OV = .orgvillage

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LabMonkey:

Dibblah: I had hoped to use nx for generating my cutlist

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LabMonkey:

marking commercials with my remote is kinda... annoying at times

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Dibblah:

Why not run the frontend directly?

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LabMonkey:

windows box

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Dibblah:

Uhuh?

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LabMonkey:

Dibblah: I'm trying to use my winxp box (which has a keyboard) to scan through my recordings and mark commercials for transcoding

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LabMonkey:

and the windows port doesn't seem to be available yet

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Dibblah:

Hmmm... I'm trying XMing to figure out if what I was about to say works :)

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LabMonkey:

and I have a much much bigger problem right now (7 hard drives claim to have died in the last few minutes)

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Dibblah:

Ouch :(

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stuarta:

sounds more like a controller

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LabMonkey:

I'm thinking cable/terminator

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Dibblah:

Hmm. Nope. Doesn't work with a remote XMing running on Windows :(

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stuarta:

if it were scsi that would make sense

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Dibblah:

LabMonkey: RAID?

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LabMonkey:

yeah

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simon_c:

Hi All.

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Dibblah:

LabMonkey: Don't panic :)

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Dibblah:

Panicing _will_ lose your data.

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Dibblah:

Have all of the drives in the array failed at the same time?

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Dibblah:

If so, a reboot should get the array back, assuming a transitory issue.

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simon_c:

Something I'm doing during the compile is making my libmythtv.pro file to be 49MB in size. Does anyone have any ideas what I may be doing wrong ?

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LabMonkey:

I wiggled cables and now the drives are responding ok

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Dibblah:

And the array?

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LabMonkey:

rebooting the box now with most of the drives forced online

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Dibblah:

Good luck :)

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LabMonkey:

thanks

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** Dibblah is glad of his backup box :) **

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LabMonkey:

I really need to make that ghetto backplane I've been talking about

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Dibblah:

?

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LabMonkey:

well what I have are 14 drives

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LabMonkey:

6 of them are in an external box that has a hotplug (sca) cage in it

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Dibblah:

I have 16. ;)

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Dibblah:

8 in each box.

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LabMonkey:

the other 8 are 1.6" drives... fortunately this case was made for 1.6" drives and has 8 sleds

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LabMonkey:

unfortunately I don't have the hotplug backplane for the case

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LabMonkey:

so I've ghetto'ed it with 8 sca-to-scsi adapters and a rather expensive cable

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Dibblah:

Ewww...

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Ruleke:

I just got me one of them internal hotplug enclosures on the cheap

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LabMonkey:

now... all of the little sca adapters have four holes on them like the motherboard mounting holes

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Dibblah:

I didn't. http://s2r.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/madcase.jpg

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LabMonkey:

so my idea was to make a mounting bracket to affix those sca boards to the case, thus making the bigger drives truly hotplug

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Paladine:

hmm I just realised my audio output is only oming through the left channel

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Ruleke:

ugh

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Dibblah:

That's my backup box.

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Paladine:

anyone know how to fix that?

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LabMonkey:

Paladine: first, make sure your audio cables are plugged in correctly (and fully)

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stuarta:

Dibblah: that's quite ghetto...

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Paladine:

Lab, it is only doing it for capture

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LabMonkey:

second, find out if it's recording or playback

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LabMonkey:

ok

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LabMonkey:

so it's recording

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LabMonkey:

that's driver-dependant

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Dibblah:

stuarta: Indeed. It's actually a HP ML310.

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Paladine:

if I unmute line-in it is in stereo

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Paladine:

but I have to mute line-in cos of the delay (and also use line-in as the capture)

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Paladine:

the output from the capture is only mono

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Dibblah:

At least the cabling's a _little_ neat.

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LabMonkey:

Dibblah: I dig it

[13:04:38]

Dibblah:

Oh, apart from the cable-ties holding the heatsink on.

[13:04:47]

Paladine:

is there anyway to fix it?

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stuarta:

nice little server....

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LabMonkey:

you should see my mod job once I finish it

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LabMonkey:

Acer Altos9000 case (old-ass proprietary AT case) modded with a removable ATX mobo tray

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LabMonkey:

had a K6–2 300 in it

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LabMonkey:

now dual ht xeon 2.8s and 4GB ram

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Dibblah:

LabMonkey: Expensive.

[13:07:09]

LabMonkey:

not really

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Dibblah:

Each of those 130nm Xeons is eating 55w. At idle.

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LabMonkey:

oh

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LabMonkey:

you mean operating cost expensive

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Dibblah:

Add 70w for the motherboard.

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Dibblah:

120w for disks.

[13:07:59]

Paladine:

this is really bugging me now, I wish I hadn't noticed

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LabMonkey:

hmm

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simon_c:

Paladine, Is it only myth output that's mono, or all output ?

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Paladine:

just myth

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LabMonkey:

Dibblah: uhh...

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Dibblah:

Uhh?

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Ruleke:

same recording played with a media player of choice ?

[13:08:56]

simon_c:

Paladine, sounds like something in the capture settings of the mixer.

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LabMonkey:

hmm maybe that explains wtf is wrong with the raid setup

[13:09:16]

Paladine:

Ijust checked all the setting in alsa mixer, everything is stereo

[13:09:19]

LabMonkey:

every time I put some load on it the arrays freak out and I get funky fs errors

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LabMonkey:

I reset/power cycle and it's fine

[13:09:34]

Dibblah:

Personally, I'd go SATA. And get a real PSU :)

[13:09:45]

LabMonkey:

well

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simon_c:

Paladine, check ruleke's sugestion.

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Dibblah:

My other server has a real PSU.

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LabMonkey:

the PSU is a 550W EPS12V

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Dibblah:

Which you have 7 disks hanging off?

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LabMonkey:

but if what you're saying is true then I'm looking at like 1100+ watts

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LabMonkey:

8

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Dibblah:

Eh? Not really. More like 300.

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Ruleke:

disks aren't that much :PÂµ

[13:11:09]

Dibblah:

Disks are about 8w for recent ones, 15 for older.

[13:11:27]

LabMonkey:

8 drives, 2 CPUs, mobo, raid controller, scsi controller

[13:11:27]

Paladine:

how do I go out of LiveTV mode?

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LabMonkey:

I'm gonna assume 15W

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Dibblah:

TDP of the CPUs is 85W.

[13:11:55]

LabMonkey:

because these are slightly older seagate 181GB drives

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Dibblah:

Err... 75W.

[13:12:07]

LabMonkey:

TDP?

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Dibblah:

Thermal Design Power.

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LabMonkey:

ahh

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seth|laptop:

paladine, Hit escape

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LabMonkey:

ok so... 75 each for them, 70 for the board, 15 a piece for the drives

[13:12:50]

Dibblah:

It's YOU!

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Dibblah:

You're causing this bloody global warming ;)

[13:13:09]

LabMonkey:

hmm

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LabMonkey:

240W

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LabMonkey:

err

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LabMonkey:

340

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Paladine:

yeah but when I hit escape I have no tv at all

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LabMonkey:

hmm

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** LabMonkey looks at the power specs for the drives **

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Juski:

hmmm. just been told I might be able to have a free Emac

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Ribs:

nice

[13:14:51]

Ruleke:

I have one of them old G3s from my Gf...

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Juski:

worth having, apart from em looking pretty?

[13:15:01]

Juski:

I think it's a 1.4GHz g4

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Dibblah:

LabMonkey: 73p / day to run.

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Ruleke:

gathering dusk tbh

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Ribs:

if it's free, who cares? :)

[13:15:15]

Ruleke:

dust too

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seth|laptop:

macs make a good frontend

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Juski:

I care. if its no use, no point taking it

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seth|laptop:

:-)

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seth|laptop:

Paladine, what screen do you see when you hit escape?

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Ruleke:

nah macs don't do playback acceleration well

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LabMonkey:

POWER DISSIPATION (watts/BTUs) Active ____/ Idle ______10.3/35.18

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Dibblah:

35w seeking?

[13:16:21]

Dibblah:

Ouch.

[13:16:31]

Dibblah:

However, it's idle you really need to look at.

[13:16:36]

Paladine:

WatchTV, Media Library, Manage Recordings, Information Centre, Utilities/Setup

[13:16:44]

LabMonkey:

well

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seth|laptop:

I have an Imac 333, 128MB running gentoo ppc in my daughters room, that she uses to watch her shows she tapes during the day. Its nice because it is all self contained

[13:17:01]

Dibblah:

Unless you're having RAID issues, of course.

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LabMonkey:

active brings me to 500W

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LabMonkey:

and the PSU is 550

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LabMonkey:

that's not accounting for how much the raid controller is using

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Dibblah:

550w is probably an optimistic rating, as well.

[13:17:41]

LabMonkey:

and fans

[13:17:43]

Dibblah:

What's the RAID card?

[13:17:47]

LabMonkey:

perc2/dc

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Dibblah:

Fans are only 2w or so.

[13:17:55]

Dibblah:

perc is quite cool.

[13:18:04]

LabMonkey:

well the thing is huge

[13:18:09]

LabMonkey:

full-size pcix

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Paladine:

it recorded them with only the left channel too

[13:18:51]

Dibblah:

If you have a seperate PSU, try putting just the disks on it.

[13:19:21]

Dibblah:

RAID5?

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LabMonkey:

the internal drives, yeah

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LabMonkey:

but one of them is reporting failed so it's actually running degraded now

[13:20:02]

LabMonkey:

all 8 are powered, one dead, and another one flaky so there's only 6 drives actually doing anything

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LabMonkey:

the config is 7 drives in a raid5 with 1 hot spare (the dead one atm)

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LabMonkey:

Cardoe: <3

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Cardoe:

LabMonkey: enjoying your 0.20

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LabMonkey:

Cardoe: not yet

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Dibblah:

That's the problem with home-built servers. The stupid manufacturers don't give real power requirements :(

[13:21:04]

LabMonkey:

spent all morning fighting with freenx

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LabMonkey:

now I'm fighting with hardware raid shit

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seth|laptop:

Paladine, when you say you want to "go out" of live TV, what are you wanting to do, go to the program guide, watch recorded shows... :-)

[13:21:42]

Paladine:

no Iwant to get stereo sound working

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Paladine:

its really annoying

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LabMonkey:

Dibblah: yeah I'm thinking now I might just get like a 700+W redundant psu

[13:22:05]

seth|laptop:

ah, are you only getting one cannel, or just mono over 2 channels?

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LabMonkey:

would require another slight modification to the case, but that's not much of a big deal at this point

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Paladine:

1 channel

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Paladine:

just the left channel

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seth|laptop:

is this just during TV playback, or all the time? Movies, tunes, etc

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LabMonkey:

Paladine: kinda sounds like the right channel is muted for recording

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Paladine:

its doing it during tv playback and on recorded stuff

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seth|laptop:

is the recorded source coming in from a cable coax, or like the Yellow, Red, White on a PVR card?

[13:25:45]

Paladine:

neither

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seth|laptop:

??

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Paladine:

it is rca to stereo jack from the set top box to my line in on my soundcard

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seth|laptop:

cable good?

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Paladine:

my bt878 card doesn't have audio

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Paladine:

yeah the cable is fine as soon as I unmute Line In I get stereo sound

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seth|laptop:

I had a bad cable from my dish network receiver to my pvr150, the left channel wouldn't work. I replaced the cable, and that resolved the issue

[13:26:44]

Paladine:

but then I get hit with the delay

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seth|laptop:

hmmm

[13:28:13]

Cardoe:

Who knows the depends for mytharchive?

[13:28:52]

Dibblah:

Woo. There's a shock. Mplayer takes less CPU than Myth when passing through the video stream.

[13:28:57]

seth|laptop:

Paladine, have you tried, disabling "Agressive Soundcard Buffering" in the setup menus?

[13:29:44]

LabMonkey:

Dibblah: maybe something like http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16817104160

[13:30:01]

LabMonkey:

but $350 for a PSU makes me a sad panda

[13:30:04]

seth|laptop:

There are two instances I can think of, one in the main "General Settings" under the audio tab, and one in the "TV settings" "TV playback" area

[13:30:28]

seth|laptop:

taht may eliminate the delay you are having

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Paladine:

it isn't enabled

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LabMonkey:

Dibblah: actually... now that I think about it.....

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seth|laptop:

as for experience with the brooktree cards, I have none, so I am not sure what else to suggest, other than the cable or the buffering

[13:31:43]

Dibblah:

LabMonkey: Personally, I wouldn't. Mainly because the efficiency of PSUs is _really_ bad when running below ratings.

[13:32:06]

LabMonkey:

the problem happens when I put load on the drives... but it does it with the external drives too and they're running on their own PSU

[13:32:41]

Dibblah:

Well, actually, since you say you're having issues, I'd seriously look at cabling / termination again :(

[13:32:55]

Dibblah:

And... Buy a goat. You'll need it for step 3.

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LabMonkey:

which brings me back to thinking it's a controller/cabling/termination issue

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seth|laptop:

I am currently experiencing issue with my mythfrontend, running at like 60% + when watching HDTV, it is causeing my digital audio to fade in and out, this too is very frustrating. I think I will roll back from knoppmyth r5d1 to the original working rdc7

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LabMonkey:

hmm... I need a place to dump like 100GB

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seth|laptop:

or rather r5c7, doh!

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Dibblah:

What do your SCSI chains look like?

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seth|laptop:

cd-rw

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Dibblah:

I backed up my 800Gb array to DVD. It wasn't fun.

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LabMonkey:

6x 73GB drives on IDs 1–6 in the external box, 8x 181GB drives internal on IDs 8–15

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Dibblah:

Gave up and bought more disks :)

[13:34:28]

Dibblah:

All on the same controller?

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LabMonkey:

yeah

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seth|laptop:

wow 800GB, I thought my 300 was excessive

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Dibblah:

The PERC has 2 channels, though. So, you need 4 terminators.

[13:35:02]

LabMonkey:

no

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seth|laptop:

but when you catalogue dvd's, even at "good" quality, I can see needing more space, in like 2 years

[13:35:11]

LabMonkey:

all of them are on the first channel

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Dibblah:

Unless the PERC is internally terminated.

[13:35:19]

Paladine:

is there anyway I can get alsa to mix the left channel to all the speakers making it mono instead of just playing on the left channel?

[13:35:41]

LabMonkey:

and yeah it has internal termination

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Paladine:

at least I would have balance then

[13:35:45]

Dibblah:

Check in your BIOS of the PERC that it _isn't_ terminated if it's in the middle of the chain.

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seth|laptop:

use alsamixer, disable master by pressing "m" and right beside it is master mono enable that by hitting "m" again

[13:36:30]

Dibblah:

seth|laptop: That's cheating :)

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seth|laptop:

hehe

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Paladine:

k that worked

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seth|laptop:

but it may help

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LabMonkey:

Dibblah: bios shows both chains with "Termination State = Enabled" and "Initiator ID = 7"

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seth|laptop:

;-)

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Paladine:

actually no it didn'

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Dibblah:

Okay. So, the end of each cable is plugged into the PERC?

[13:37:21]

seth|laptop:

hmm

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Paladine:

now it is only playing to the back left speaker

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Dibblah:

And the termination on the other end?

[13:37:53]

LabMonkey:

the internal drives are connected to the internal connector for channel 1 and the external drives are connected to the external connector for channel 1

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LabMonkey:

on both ends there is a terminator

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Dibblah:

Ewww. Disable termination on the PERC.

[13:38:38]

Dibblah:

If it's all one channel, you only should have 2 terminators.

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LabMonkey:

hmm

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LabMonkey:

k lemme hit it with tiobench now

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LabMonkey:

bad part about all this

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LabMonkey:

whenever the controller freaks out I get tons of errors recorded to /var/log/kern.log

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LabMonkey:

so said log is currently 5.1GB

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Dibblah:

Ouch :)

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LabMonkey:

I'd rotate it but it'll just keep growing until I fix this

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LabMonkey:

ok I'm gonna go shower while tiobench runs

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LabMonkey:

bbiaf

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LabMonkey:

and thanks for sanity-checking all this with me :0

[13:43:24]

LabMonkey:

:)

[13:43:29]

Dibblah:

Sure.

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Dibblah:

LabMonkey: SCSI is a nightmare. Which is why I'm on SATA now. Looking into Port Multipliers, which could be even more fun and less expense.

[13:44:18]

Ruleke:

yepp

[13:44:33]

Ruleke:

tho pmp support is not in linux-ata tree yet I think

[13:44:35]

Ruleke:

not sure

[13:44:39]

Dibblah:

It is.

[13:44:48]

Ruleke:

well there were patches...

[13:44:52]

Dibblah:

It's not in the main tree, though.

[13:44:53]

Merlin83b:

Dibblah: SATA not SAS?

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Dibblah:

And noone in the UK sells the bloody things :(

[13:45:03]

Ruleke:

ah :)

[13:45:07]

Dibblah:

SATA.

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Merlin83b:

Didn't know SATA did port multipliers, thought that was a SAS thing.

[13:45:37]

Ruleke:

It's in some external eSATA enclosures... which makes em nicer :) 1 cable needed

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Paladine:

I will just use tvtime til my pvr150 arrives tomorrow

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Dibblah:

Also means that less host ports are needed.

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Dibblah:

So you can use a core-duo motherboard, and get similar throughput to a 'real' server Xeon motherboard.

[13:46:26]

Ruleke:

of course :)

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Ruleke:

well get 20 drives on it ;)

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Dibblah:

Easy.

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Dibblah:

6*5...

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Ruleke:

6 ? wow

[13:47:15]

Ruleke:

cool :)

[13:47:24]

Dibblah:

Well, actually 8. But you can't use 2 of them.

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Paladine:

coming out of all 4 speakers in tv time cos there is no delay so I don't have to capture the line-in input and reprocess it

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seth|laptop:

so does this mean that the output signal on the brooktree card, is possibly bad?

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seth|laptop:

I am guessing that this other device youa re using, is using the same output to line in cable that the brooktree card was?

[13:54:52]

Paladine:

yeah

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Ruleke:

It probably isn't ?

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Ruleke:

you muted the line-in ?

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Paladine:

but I am just running the audio seperate from the video

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Paladine:

with tv time all it does is display the video

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Paladine:

it doesn't touch the audio

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Paladine:

and there is no delay on the video because it is not a pvr

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Ruleke:

you lost me ages ago, I have no idea what your setup is like

[13:56:26]

Paladine:

the reason it has a problem with mythtv is because of the 2 second delay on the video output

[13:57:02]

Paladine:

well I have a bt878 card without audio support

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Paladine:

the mm200

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Paladine:

all it handles is video

[13:57:37]

Paladine:

so I run the audio straight into my sound card from the set top box

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Paladine:

which works fine with tvtime because as I said, there is no delay on the video

[13:58:04]

Paladine:

so the video and audio sync

[13:58:19]

Paladine:

but because mythtv allows you to pause livetv

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k-man_:

is there anything one has to watch for in upgrading from .19 to .20 using the .debs?

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Paladine:

it has to have a delay between the video signal coming in and you actually seeing it

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Paladine:

so it has a cache

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Paladine:

which means if I try and run the sound independently through line in on the sound card

[13:59:09]

Paladine:

I get a sync issue of 2 seconds

[13:59:24]

Paladine:

so I have to mute the line in and set it to capture

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Paladine:

which is then processed in sync with the video

[13:59:44]

Paladine:

but I lose the right channel

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Paladine:

for some odd peculiar reason

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Ruleke:

hmm

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Ruleke:

how about just compensating for the delay ? :)

[14:00:49]

Paladine:

well for recording I would still need to capture the line in signal

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Paladine:

or the video I record wouldhave no audio

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Ruleke:

yeah that's messy anyway, good thing I never used such cards

[14:01:46]

Paladine:

alsa is capturing a stereo signal, but it is only outputting a single channel

[14:02:34]

Paladine:

it won't matter tomorrow

[14:02:58]

Paladine:

because I will have my pvr150 and the audio from the stb will go straight into the pvr card

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Paladine:

as opposed to the line in on my sound card

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Paladine:

so its no biggy

[14:03:30]

Paladine:

the mm200 was always nothing more than a cheap temporary hack

[14:04:17]

Paladine:

there is a way to mod the mm200 to enable the audio on it

[14:04:28]

Paladine:

it actually has audio capability

[14:04:47]

Paladine:

just the manufacturers in their wisdom decided not to provide a physical interface for it

[14:05:03]

Paladine:

so you have to solder an audio connector directly onto the board

[14:06:00]

Ruleke:

:P

[14:06:23]

Paladine:

I am serious

[14:06:27]

Paladine:

I found a site about it

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Ruleke:

hardware mods are kinda fun

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Paladine:

yeah but my soldering iron is knackered

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Paladine:

here it is http://homepage.ntlworld.com/minkus/mm200pctv/

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LabMonkey:

Dibblah: ok so while I was in the shower it decided to start rebuilding the one drive that was still marked Fail in the external array, then proceeded to fail half the drives in the internal array

[14:09:08]

LabMonkey:

while tiobench was running

[14:09:18]

Paladine:

its supposed to work in linux without the mod

[14:09:22]

Dibblah:

Ouch.

[14:09:26]

Paladine:

but I couldn't get it to work

[14:09:37]

LabMonkey:

I wiggled cables again (specifically the sca adapters) and now it sees the drives fine

[14:09:59]

LabMonkey:

question is whether the megaraid driver will allow me to remount that array now

[14:10:00]

Dibblah:

I'd be suspecting that the lash-up isn't working too well :(

[14:10:09]

LabMonkey:

lash-up?

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Dibblah:

A fakeraid?

[14:10:18]

LabMonkey:

no it's real raid

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Dibblah:

Ah. Sorry – Yes :)

[14:10:41]

LabMonkey:

but every time it fails like this I can't actually use the array until I reboot

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Dibblah:

With failed drives? Nope – Think you're buggered.

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LabMonkey:

no the drives themselves are fine

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Dibblah:

Lash-up as in "not-quite-a-backplane"

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LabMonkey:

but for some reason the controller or driver freaks out and decides they're failed

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LabMonkey:

drives' activity LED lit solid on half of them

[14:11:56]

LabMonkey:

I wiggle until the lights go out, go into the card's management util and they report ok

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LabMonkey:

so I mark them online

[14:12:24]

LabMonkey:

and then pray that I don't have to reboot to re-mount that partition

[14:12:59]

Dibblah:

Well, if you're wiggling, and it's working, I'd seriously be thinking it's the cabling.

[14:13:00]

Paladine:

so are these *.nuv files the temporary mythtv cached data for pausing livetv?

[14:13:14]

Dibblah:

Paladine: Yes. And recordings.

[14:13:19]

LabMonkey:

or one of the sca adapters

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Paladine:

what can I play thm in, just mythtv?

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Dibblah:

Paladine: Yup.

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LabMonkey:

Paladine: nuvexport

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Ruleke:

LabMonkey: sanity check failed

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Ruleke:

:P

[14:14:06]

Paladine:

how do I export them to a format that will allow me to archive them onto dvd?

[14:14:18]

LabMonkey:

Ruleke: but I like my little world where everything should work the way I want without abiding by the laws of physics :(

[14:14:29]

Paladine:

for playing back with a standalone player or some other player?

[14:14:40]

LabMonkey:

Paladine: nuvexport

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Ruleke:

or depending on the format used, they will play just fine :)

[14:15:24]

LabMonkey:

yeah in my case they're recorded to mpeg2

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LabMonkey:

Dibblah: ok well... after the rebuild finishes I'm tearing the box up and looking at cabling

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Paladine:

I had it set to standard, if I change it to libmpeg2 I presume I wouldn't have to export them?

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seth|laptop:

so, is it normal for mythfontend to show up in "top" at 65% or greater?

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GreyFoxx:

Paladine: that is just for playback

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GreyFoxx:

If you have a btxxx card you cannot record them into anything but a nuv file, you can only choose between the mpeg4 or rtjpeg codec

[14:17:42]

seth|laptop:

I think I am just rolling back to knoppmyth r5c7, that worked groovy, but I couldn't figure out how to get my IR blaster to work with my dishnetwork receiver, ther has to be a file I can down load to use with the older version

[14:17:43]

kleptophobiac2:

is there some reason that i get no picture when i have opengl vsync compiled in? audio works, but i just see my desktop

[14:17:56]

LabMonkey:

but you can use nuvexport to *export* the *nuv* files into something else..........

[14:17:57]

Paladine:

they are quiote large files, do they delete themselves automatically after a certain time frame?

[14:18:10]

seth|laptop:

klepto, you using nvidia?

[14:18:22]

kleptophobiac2:

seth|laptop – yes, newest rev

[14:18:27]

Dibblah:

Paladine: Yes.

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kleptophobiac2:

8774

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seth|laptop:

and you have the sync to vblanc checked in nvidia-settings?

[14:18:54]

Dibblah:

Paladine: If you think they're large... You probably want a bigger drive for Myth :)

[14:19:06]

LabMonkey:

heh

[14:19:15]

kleptophobiac2:

yes

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GreyFoxx:

Paladine: By default LiveTV recordings auto delete after 24 hours, OR if the recording is less than 2 minutes long it deletes immediately OR myth will auto delete them if it needs space for another recording

[14:19:35]

LabMonkey:

my box has dual 300GB SATA drives in a raid1 with a 500GB partition just for recordings

[14:19:39]

LabMonkey:

err

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LabMonkey:

raid0

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kleptophobiac2:

why raid0?

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kleptophobiac2:

seems like a bad idea

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Paladine:

Dibblah, oh space isn't an issue, I have 1/2tb on this box and lots more available on the network

[14:20:39]

LabMonkey:

two reasons for raid0... more space and the transfers are spread across multiple drives

[14:20:40]

Paladine:

raid0 is faster

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kleptophobiac2:

LabMonkey – try using LVM instead

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kleptophobiac2:

it's more reliable

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LabMonkey:

lvm can dir

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Paladine:

it is quicker to write to raid0 than it is to write to a non raideddrive

[14:21:06]

LabMonkey:

die*

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Dibblah:

Ummm... What?

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LabMonkey:

as far as I'm concerned

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Dibblah:

Paladine: That entirely depends.

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kleptophobiac2:

LabMonkey – it's more likely to survive if one drive fails than raid0, which is a guaranteed failure

[14:21:29]

LabMonkey:

I've never used LVM and I have no intention of starting now

[14:21:29]

Paladine:

as a general rule it is quicker

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Dibblah:

On some RAID implementations, that's true.

[14:21:40]

** seth|laptop uses LVM **

[14:21:50]

Beirdo:

RAID0 is pretty useless for redundancy

[14:21:50]

LabMonkey:

kleptophobiac2: if one of the drives in my raid0 fails I'll restore from tape

[14:21:51]

Paladine:

specifically raid0

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** Dibblah uses RAID. And backups. **

[14:21:56]

kleptophobiac2:

haha, alright

[14:21:57]

GreyFoxx:

If you are looking for reliabilty use raid5

[14:22:02]

kleptophobiac2:

GreyFoxx – cheer!

[14:22:02]

Beirdo:

i.e. it's NOT RAID

[14:22:16]

Dibblah:

Beirdo: RAID is pretty much the definition of redundant.

[14:22:29]

Dibblah:

Data stored more than once == redundant data.

[14:22:40]

Paladine:

raid0 isn't about redundancy

[14:22:41]

LabMonkey:

but raid0 is not redundant at all

[14:22:42]

Beirdo:

as RAID means "redundant" and there's nothing redundant about RAID0

[14:22:45]

Paladine:

raid0 is about speed

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LabMonkey:

anyway

[14:22:51]

Dibblah:

Heh. Apologies. Yes.

[14:22:52]

LabMonkey:

the bottom line is

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Paladine:

striping is faster than none striped data

[14:23:02]

LabMonkey:

raid0 is slightly faster for me

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kleptophobiac2:

but do you really need the speed for bulk storage?

[14:23:06]

Beirdo:

RAID0 works about the same as LVM, and LVM's a better implementation :)

[14:23:14]

LabMonkey:

and spanning gives me more space on a single partition

[14:23:21]

LabMonkey:

that was my goal with the tv box

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Paladine:

kleptophobiac2, for video capture? I would say so yes

[14:23:33]

LabMonkey:

now... the file server is the box I'm having difficulty with

[14:23:40]

kleptophobiac2:

i have three capture cards and I use a striped LVM. it works great

[14:23:42]

Paladine:

unless you have uber RAM

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LabMonkey:

that box has redundancy

[14:23:47]

Dibblah:

If anyone's wondering about trying it, don't use in-kernel raid10. It's not too great performance wise.

[14:24:02]

Beirdo:

heh, I use hardware RAID5

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Dibblah:

kleptophobiac2: Until you get a drive failure.

[14:24:11]

kleptophobiac2:

i'm too cheap for that :P but i envy the setup

[14:24:18]

LabMonkey:

my real raid box has a ~200GB raid10 and a ~1TB raid5

[14:24:22]

Paladine:

I have hardware raid0,1,5 and 10 on this box iirc

[14:24:27]

Paladine:

but I don't use raid

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Beirdo:

with LVM on top of the RAID5

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Paladine:

can't be assed with it

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kleptophobiac2:

LVM on top of RAID5 is the ideal solution

[14:24:49]

Beirdo:

aye

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LabMonkey:

and as far as the raid0 in my mythbox goes... it's dmraid, so it's not real raid anyway

[14:25:06]

Dibblah:

Nope. Storage not based on rotating rust is the ideal solution.

[14:25:13]

Beirdo:

especially with real hardware RAID5 where it doesn't slow down your processor

[14:25:18]

kleptophobiac2:

Dibblah – some discs are glass

[14:25:32]

Dibblah:

kleptophobiac2: With a coating of...?

[14:25:38]

kleptophobiac2:

Various materials

[14:25:42]

kleptophobiac2:

often MnO2

[14:25:42]

Dibblah:

Rust.

[14:25:46]

kleptophobiac2:

CrO2

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seth|laptop:

I use LVM striped, with an rsync to a solaris 10 ZFS sparc storage array for backup. The array is too noisey for the living room, its at the whole other side of my house, and acts as a very good local heater! :-)

[14:25:56]

kleptophobiac2:

sometimes even rare earth metal films

[14:26:00]

Beirdo:

I think very few current drives use iron oxide anymore

[14:26:05]

kleptophobiac2:

Fe2O3 is old school

[14:26:09]

Dibblah:

Bah. They're all just oxides. ;)

[14:26:34]

Paladine:

well solid state storage is obviously the best solution, since it is far faster and doesn't wear (or rather wear so negligably as to never be an issue over a normal human lifetime)

[14:26:40]

Paladine:

but it is uber expensive

[14:26:48]

kleptophobiac2:

solid state storage wears more

[14:26:49]

Beirdo:

especially for a few terabyte :)

[14:26:56]

LabMonkey:

-_-

[14:27:01]

kleptophobiac2:

the quantum tunneling effect exploited for flash memory

[14:27:03]

LabMonkey:

hmm

[14:27:10]

Paladine:

kleptophobiac2, only if it is cheap silicon

[14:27:16]

kleptophobiac2:

has about a 100K write cycle lifetime

[14:27:17]

Dibblah:

I really want a iRAM for my XFS log :(

[14:27:29]

Paladine:

the higher the quality the silicon the longer the lifespan

[14:27:32]

LabMonkey:

wonder if maxell released their holographic storage on schedule

[14:27:42]

kleptophobiac2:

most of those chips are made on monocrystalline silicon wafer, just like CPU's

[14:27:51]

Paladine:

flash memory is generally very very cheap silicon

[14:28:00]

Paladine:

hense why flash drives are so cheap

[14:28:09]

Dibblah:

Paladine: Depends if you buy on eBay.

[14:28:10]

kleptophobiac2:

flash drives are cheap because densities have gone up

[14:28:23]

kleptophobiac2:

and they get a bazillion chips per wafer

[14:28:25]

Paladine:

no they are cheap cos they are made from cheap materials

[14:28:48]

Paladine:

solid state storage has -always- been more efficient than mechanical

[14:28:53]

kleptophobiac2:

efficient sure

[14:28:56]

kleptophobiac2:

uses way less power

[14:29:00]

kleptophobiac2:

read tons faster

[14:29:11]

Paladine:

is much faster and last much longer with quality materials

[14:29:17]

LabMonkey:

ahh

[14:29:36]

LabMonkey:

looks like it's not scheduled for release until a bit later this year anyway

[14:29:47]

Beirdo:

heh, 100K or even 1M write cycles isn't better than rotating platters, sorry

[14:29:56]

Beirdo:

not for video storage

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Honk^away:

<Paladine> is much faster and last much longer with quality materials <-- unless you write to it regularly :P

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Beirdo:

for your OS that rarely changes, sure

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Beirdo:

not for volatile data

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Paladine:

I am still waiting for organic storage

[14:30:50]

kleptophobiac2:

i'm pretty sure it is

[14:30:58]

kleptophobiac2:

your OS makes thousands of writes every day

[14:31:01]

Paladine:

organic storage already exists

[14:31:09]

Paladine:

but itwillbe years til it hits the market

[14:31:16]

kleptophobiac2:

flash memory works by tunneling a charge across an oxide layer to a charge island

[14:31:17]

Honk^away:

kleptophobiac2: you can spread that over the entire drive though

[14:31:32]

kleptophobiac2:

that oxide layer breaks down to allow the charge to pass

[14:31:38]

Beirdo:

stupid ISP

[14:31:39]

kleptophobiac2:

after enough cycles

[14:31:41]

Beirdo:

organic storage = use your brain :)

[14:31:43]

kleptophobiac2:

there's not enough oxide left to insulate

[14:31:48]

kleptophobiac2:

and the charge leaks off

[14:32:12]

kleptophobiac2:

the quality of the oxide and the regularity of the silicon wafer and its dopants

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kleptophobiac2:

does have an effect

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Paladine:

well optical disks (dvds and cdrs) are semi organic

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Paladine:

generally matalised cyanine

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kleptophobiac2:

but "cheap" silicon makes it to 1000 cycles

[14:32:41]

kleptophobiac2:

the state of the art is 100–200k cycles

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Paladine:

but I was at a dvdr factory in Hong Kong a couple of years back and they were doing some pretty amazing stuff with organics in the R&D lab

[14:33:32]

kleptophobiac2:

there's also that mich scientist that's come up with interlinking proteins that should increase storage densities by 100x

[14:34:05]

kleptophobiac2:

anyway, i have a circuit board to design

[14:34:11]

kleptophobiac2:

later!

[14:34:15]

Paladine:

later

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Paladine:

iirc correctly there wasan article floaing around the web last year about using organics and light as well

[14:35:59]

Paladine:

psuedo holographic storage

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Paladine:

cells that react to different wave lengths of light giving them theability to store logical data as a seriesof lightpatterns

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Paladine:

dunno whats happening with that though

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LabMonkey:

Dibblah: any idea if the raid configuration "on disk" is interchangable between megaraid and aacraid perc2 cards?

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qu0zl:

can anyone recommend a good place to buy a passively cooled fx5200, that will ship to ireland?

[14:39:19]

Dibblah:

LabMonkey: Nope. But I'd guess not :)

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qu0zl:

now that i actually want one i can't find a passively cooled one

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LabMonkey:

ie. the perc2/dc I'm using is megaraid, but I also have a perc2/qc that's aacraid and I can try using it, but I don't want to have to reformat/reinstall

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fryfrog:

are usb thumb drives the same sort of flash as cf/xd etc?

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fryfrog:

that have a limited write life?

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Ruleke:

yep

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Paladine:

how far forward do these online scheduling sites go?

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Paladine:

can you do things like series record?

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fryfrog:

LabMonkey: *usually* hardware raid cards are not inter-compatible, especially from different makers

[14:43:14]

fryfrog:

Paladine: sites usually go about 2 weeks out

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seth|laptop:

Paldine, 12 Days

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fryfrog:

and yes, you can record series

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Ruleke:

5 days here :(

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LabMonkey:

fryfrog: figured as much

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fryfrog:

LabMonkey: you can always *try* though

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Dibblah:

LabMonkey: What's the worst that could happen? ;)

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Paladine:

sodo you guys have like all your viewing scheduled planned out for every hour of the week?

[14:43:52]

fryfrog:

LabMonkey: perc, sounds like dell? they *may* have requested that their raid controller work cross hardware

[14:44:00]

fryfrog:

Dibblah: he loses all his data ;p

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seth|laptop:

I am in the US and use labs.zap2it.com, maybe its different elsewhere

[14:44:22]

fryfrog:

Paladine: what do you mean? The whole point of PVR is that you save up lots of shows and watch them at your leasure

[14:44:31]

Paladine:

cos man I am always forgetting to watch something, being able to setup myth to remember for me would rock :)

[14:44:34]

fryfrog:

so you don't have to "plan to the hour"

[14:44:38]

Dibblah:

Paladine: It doesn't work like that. You record what you want to watch. Then watch what you want to watch, when you have time.

[14:44:44]

Paladine:

well i am at my pc a lot

[14:44:50]

fryfrog:

myth is for the tv

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fryfrog:

well

[14:45:04]

fryfrog:

i mean, it is *meant* to be hooked to your tv just like tivo / etc

[14:45:15]

** stuarta watches all his recordings on his pc **

[14:45:16]

fryfrog:

the interface is designed with a "remote" in mind

[14:45:17]

Dibblah:

Myth is much more comfortable from a sofa.

[14:45:29]

Paladine:

for example I have currently been awake for 32 hours and have been at my pc for the majority of that time

[14:45:42]

Ruleke:

always healthy

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Paladine:

and only had 2.5 hours sleep prior to that

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LabMonkey:

fryfrog: yeah it's a dell controller

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stuarta:

seth|laptop: HD takes serious amounts of cpu

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LabMonkey:

err

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LabMonkey:

both are

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Ruleke:

stuarta: huh ?

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Paladine:

I have a sleep disorder so i only sleep 12–15 hours a week normally

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Ruleke:

oh

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Ruleke:

hehe

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stuarta:

Ruleke: he asked a -users Q in #mythtv

[14:46:22]

LabMonkey:

I'm not trying anything with it until the rebuild finishes though

[14:46:24]

Ruleke:

stop talkign about raid and HD :)

[14:46:28]

Ruleke:

got confuzzled

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Ruleke:

harddisk high def... blah

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fryfrog:

ahah

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fryfrog:

yeah, don't fuck around until its done scrubbing :)

[14:47:23]

fryfrog:

reminds me, i should check mdstat

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Ruleke:

I prefer md over expensive raid for this kind of application I think

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fryfrog:

usually i don't notice drive failures until the server sitting next to me is going *click* *click* *click*

[14:47:52]

Ruleke:

no format lock-in either ;)

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fryfrog:

i concur!

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Ruleke:

fryfrog: no alert ? eek :)

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fryfrog:

hardware raid is awsome, but its expensive

[14:48:17]

fryfrog:

Ruleke: i thought i had it setup, but i guess not

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Ruleke:

hehe

[14:48:36]

fryfrog:

actually, i have a much worse problem

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Ruleke:

don't worry, you'll notice when a second drive fails ;)

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fryfrog:

at boot, it doesn't detect all the drives in the array

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fryfrog:

i actually have to feed a kernel param for it to see the two *new* drives :(

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Ruleke:

mm

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Dibblah:

fryfrog: Are they set to FD?

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fryfrog:

FD?

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fryfrog:

full duplex? :p

[14:49:36]

Ruleke:

hehe

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Dibblah:

Errr... Sorry. My inner geek's showing.

[14:49:44]

Ruleke:

HD drives :)

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Dibblah:

Hardware RAID partition type.

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Ruleke:

ah yes

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Ruleke:

heh

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fryfrog:

ah, let me look

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fryfrog:

in fdisk, right?

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Ruleke:

I think he meant the drives itself even... no ?

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fryfrog:

FUCKING CHRISTG

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fryfrog:

thats it

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Dibblah:

And is RAID loaded after all drives are accessible (no modules required)

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Dibblah:

Heh :)

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fryfrog:

the partitions are not set that way

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Ruleke:

Dibblah: you should've said 0xfd, then I woulda got it ;)

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fryfrog:

can i change it non-destructivly, while its up?

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Dibblah:

Just change them. Has no impact until you reboot.

[14:51:05]

fryfrog:

thanks

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Ruleke:

well some programs do the ioctl to re-read

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fryfrog:

i've been wondering wtf was up with that for about a year now :)

[14:52:10]

Dibblah:

I pity the people that have 'whole drive' RAID setups. Yes, it gains you an extra 24,000 bytes over the array – But no autodetection sucks.

[14:52:26]

seth|laptop:

how would one find which version of the v4l-dvb driver they are using?

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qu0zl:

check dmesg?

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seth|laptop:

hmm

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fryfrog:

okay to paste 3 lines here you think?

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fryfrog:

or pastebin it?

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fryfrog:

bah, i can make it one line

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Ruleke:

hehe

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fryfrog:

WARNING: Re-reading the partition table failed with error 16: Device or resource busy. The new table will be used at the next reboot.

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fryfrog:

that is the error i get

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Ruleke:

stop asking in 3 lines if you can paste one ;)

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fryfrog:

the first implies it failed

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Ruleke:

that's ok

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fryfrog:

the second implies it didn't :/

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fryfrog:

kk

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Ruleke:

will read it next boot

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fryfrog:

man, i can't wait to reboot :)

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Ruleke:

shutdown -r 0

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Dibblah:

Now YOUR inner geek is showing.

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Ruleke:

:P

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fryfrog:

i'm *almost* tempted to do it now... but i have such bad luck :(

[14:55:21]

fryfrog:

i *always* have some stupid issue :(

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fryfrog:

until about 6 months ago, my server just *wouldn't* reboot

[14:55:44]

fryfrog:

i finally figured out it hated having all 3 pci slots full

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fryfrog:

which is *lame*

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fryfrog:

now at least it reboots, but if i do it remotly i can almost be sure i neglected *one* little thing :p

[14:56:25]

fryfrog:

so i'll just reboot it 15min before i leave work, so i don't have to suffer w/o IRC!

[14:56:38]

Ruleke:

hah

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fryfrog:

btw, how did you know the 'fd' thing so ... quickly?

[14:56:50]

Ruleke:

different boxes for me :)

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Ruleke:

autodetect failing is the only symptom

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fryfrog:

I decided to consolidate linux boxes, my puter room was to noisey :)

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Ruleke:

I did the inverse when I needed more storage

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Ruleke:

backend mythtv is now also the network fileserver

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fryfrog:

I found an *awsome* case and stuck 5x 320G drives in it :)

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fryfrog:

i'd like to get a dual core socket 939 cpu for it now that they are so cheap

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Ruleke:

320G was a bit expensive for me

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fryfrog:

maybe use *its* cpu in a frontend for the tv

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Ruleke:

got 4 250's

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fryfrog:

the "perfect" was 250G at the time

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fryfrog:

but i needed to go above what 5x 250G would get

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Beirdo:

fryfrog, and run xen or vservers or something on it?

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fryfrog:

Beirdo: nah, just drool on it :)

[15:00:51]

fryfrog:

but xen is a good idea

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Beirdo:

heh

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fryfrog:

maybe seperate off my webserver and samba server into virtuals

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fryfrog:

but...

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Beirdo:

yeah, my build server runs vservers

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fryfrog:

since myth would still have to run native, i prolly wouldn't bother

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Beirdo:

xen didn't support AMD64 when I started

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Beirdo:

you can run myth in the master context or whatever xen calls it

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fryfrog:

oh?

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fryfrog:

i've not read much about xen

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Beirdo:

you should be able to

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Ruleke:

I tend to use old low-spec hardware for the various tasks in the house :)

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stuarta:

there is the odd report of the backend running in a domU

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Beirdo:

you'd have to try it :)

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Beirdo:

I know it will run in the master context under vservers

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fryfrog:

neat

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Kelerion:

Ruleke, same here... I have old pentium 1's running my cctv and my fileserver

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fryfrog:

vservers is another product like xen i assume?

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Beirdo:

the other contexts in vservers won't access the hardware as easily

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Ruleke:

hehe p2–300 myth backend

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Beirdo:

yeah, less overhead

[15:02:54]

Beirdo:

less virtualization

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Beirdo:

it's more like chroot jails with more kernel protection

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Beirdo:

like domains in Sol10 or something along those lines

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Beirdo:

that reminds me... I wanted to download Sol10

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Beirdo:

hmmm

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Kelerion:

Sol10?

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Kelerion:

Solaris?

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Beirdo:

yup

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Kelerion:

kk

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** Kelerion shudders **

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Ruleke:

don't frustrate yourself :P

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simon_c:

Hi, Anyone around who can help me reduce the size of the libmythtv-0.20.so.0.20.0 file. I'm getting one of 49MB in size, I'm using a configure line as indicated in http://pastebin.ca/170327

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Beirdo:

Solaris is real nice :)

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Ruleke:

simon_c: is it stripped ?

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Ruleke:

Beirdo: meh

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Kelerion:

I'd never used the thing before then had to setup apache/php/mysql on it a couple of years ago....

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Ruleke:

I should disclose that I'm an HPUX engineer :P

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simon_c:

Ruleke, I've not specifically done anything to strip it.

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Beirdo:

and if you learn Solaris, you get to play with much bigger hardware

[15:05:22]

Kelerion:

I rang em up.. said "you are using a linux server there right?" "yes! of course"... got there.. was solaris...

[15:05:29]

Ruleke:

simon_c: run the "file" command on it

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Beirdo:

mmmmm, 96-way box

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simon_c:

Ahh.

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Ruleke:

biggest I've done is 64way, but never in a single partition

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simon_c:

Ruleke, I'll try stripping it, see what that does.

[15:06:03]

mkrufky:

I got quite a large update last night in FC5 using the atrpms repo... Now mythfrontend uses 100% CPU on HD streams :-( ..... it's a bit choppy now, but it was perfect before the upgrade. If it helps, my previous version used the myth protocol 26, current version uses protocol 30 ... any advice?

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Kelerion:

I have a t2000 in my loft that had solaris on it... I barfed that and tried getting linux on it... it's still sitting there with half an OS on it.. lol

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mkrufky:

i would think the mpeg decoder would be the problem, but im not sure

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Ruleke:

simon_c: just run 'strip' on it

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simon_c:

Ruleke, Much better, thanks.

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Beirdo:

heh

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Ruleke:

simon_c: np

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janneg:

mac_: Are you already running 0.20?

[15:06:58]

Beirdo:

I wouldn't mind scoring some sun stuff from my wife's work when they toss them

[15:07:03]

simon_c:

Ruleke, Showing my ignorance here but, why woudl i need to manually strip it now, and i did't before ?

[15:07:13]

Beirdo:

with two solaris admins in the house....

[15:07:21]

janneg:

mkrufky: no dev can reproduce it. we have a big thread in the user mailing list

[15:07:26]

Kelerion:

it's *really* nice kit.. but I don't have a bloody clue what to do with the thing.. lol

[15:07:27]

mkrufky:

:-(

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Beirdo:

my firewall is running OpenBSD on a Ultra5

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Ruleke:

simon_c: something wrong with your build environment ? it should do by default... enabled debug or something ? I dunno

[15:07:47]

mkrufky:

janneg: so, this is a known problem that users are seeing?

[15:08:00]

simon_c:

Ruleke, OK. Thanks.

[15:08:08]

mkrufky:

can i have a link to that thread? im a kernel developer, (not that i know mythtv code at all) but maybe i could help?

[15:08:14]

fryfrog:

i wish WD would send Seagate drives when you RMA'd to them :(

[15:08:27]

Kelerion:

this t2000 has the old style networked bios thing... that is *really* cool

[15:08:45]

Ruleke:

Mike Krufky of dvb fame :)

[15:08:45]

mkrufky:

unfortunately, i think there is no way to revert back to my previous configuration :-(

[15:08:56]

mkrufky:

Ruleke: that's me

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** mkrufky cant watch his atsc in smooth full motion anymore :'( **

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janneg:

mkrufky: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/223852

[15:09:51]

mkrufky:

janneg: thanx

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fryfrog:

I wonder how Cardoe is coming with those ebuilds!

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Cardoe:

uh

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** Cardoe points to Portage **

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fryfrog:

zounds, really?

[15:10:37]

** Cardoe points to Portage again **

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** Kelerion chuckles **

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Cardoe:

they're not the "final product"

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Cardoe:

but yes, they're there.

[15:11:37]

Cardoe:

I'm gonna change group handling

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fryfrog:

when did they go in? :)

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mkrufky:

janneg: for me, if I watch something that I have alreadt transcoded down , it plays smooth. but if i play an untouched mpeg2 recording, 720p, that's the only thing that plays choppy

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Cardoe:

and I need a patch to make it work with binutils-2.16 w/ --as-needed

[15:12:24]

Cardoe:

and a patch for gcc-4.2

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mkrufky:

also, if i play an sdtv stream, it's also smooth

[15:12:39]

mkrufky:

just the super high def stuff that chokes

[15:12:40]

Cardoe:

fryfrog: been like 2 days for mythtv and last night for the plugins

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** Ruleke fears playing 1080i now :/ **

[15:13:08]

Cardoe:

fryfrog: try em out

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mkrufky:

another new bug that I see in this upgrade....... in the stream previews, while in the "watch recordings" screen, the little stream previews have blue people — the colors seem to be inverted. this is a new bug

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janneg:

mkrufky: but the cpu usage might by higher than normal. SD shouldn't take more than 10% on a athlon64 @ 2ghz

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fryfrog:

are they masked?

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mkrufky:

SD took about 34% on athlon xp3200+

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Honk^away:

what's the best way to create the mapping between the tv source and the real channels? =)

[15:14:50]

fryfrog:

i run ~amd64 and it doesn't show up

[15:14:52]

Juski:

pleh. I want outta here!

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mkrufky:

janneg: in the past it would take around 10%

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mkrufky:

so yes, ur right

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Kelerion:

Juski, this is when it all gets interesting! *grin*

[15:15:52]

Juski:

not even cleared my desk yet

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** Kelerion chuckles **

[15:16:08]

Juski:

we filled a skip with stuff out of the lab and still not finished

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stuarta:

Juski: clearly no good junk in the office....

[15:16:51]

Juski:

ahem.. the good junk has already gone :)

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Kelerion:

well.. consider the silver lining.. you'll be missing the major traffic when you get out of there at midnight :P

[15:17:07]

Juski:

lol Kelerion

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Kelerion:

see? always the optimist me :)

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fryfrog:

Cardoe: is 0.20 masked?

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janneg:

mkrufky: can you paste mythbackend --version

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mkrufky:

janneg: http://rafb.net/paste/results/PFIyye95.html

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mkrufky:

I have been strictly using atrpms up till now..... if you think it will help, i'm willing to try an svn checkout, but I will not be able to test it for at least another 8 or 9 hours (im in my office now)

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mkrufky:

oh, that that was the output on the backend server.... the problem i'm seeing is on the frontend box, which is powered-down now :-/

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mkrufky:

although I am sure that the same revisions are running on both frontend and backend machines — I upgrades both boxes at the same time

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janneg:

mkrufky: has your frontend box a nvidia graphics card?

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mkrufky:

yes

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mkrufky:

and i am using the nvidia module

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mkrufky:

version 8762, i believe

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mkrufky:

seems that this is common amongst all the posters in that thread

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janneg:

my first guess would be that you have activated opengl-vsync which doesn't work well with certain newer nvidia kernel modules

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janneg:

yes, that and using ATRPM packages

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mkrufky:

i set up the machine EXACTLY as instructed in jarod's myth(tv)ology verbatim .....

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janneg:

mkrufky: have access to your database?

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mkrufky:

i do

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mkrufky:

the backend is up and running

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mkrufky:

the frontend is powered down

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janneg:

wait a moment

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mkrufky:

...and however I had this machine set up, it worked prefectly two days ago. I believe that my last package update from atrpms before yesterday was about a month ago

[15:31:25]

mkrufky:

(not sure if that extra info helps at all :-/)

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janneg:

mkrufky: SELECT * FROM settings WHERE value = "UseOpenGLVSync";

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mkrufky:

ok, brb

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seth|laptop:

is there a command I can run to tell which version of v4l-dvb I am running?

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mkrufky:

grr gonna take a bit for me to remember the password to my mysql db

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janneg:

it is in ~/.mythtv/mysql.txt

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Ruleke:

all questions return if you stay in here long enough

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mkrufky:

hehe

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mkrufky:

thanks.... looks like i had the wrong username too :-P

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Ruleke:

hometime

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mkrufky:

janneg: it is enabled on my frontend box

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mkrufky:

that's what you wanted to know?

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mkrufky:

http://rafb.net/paste/results/yfJKRB77.html

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mkrufky:

assassin is the frontend that is having this problem.... plateau is the backend, and it also runs a frontend (rarely)... aftermath frontend I havent used in months

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janneg:

yes. I'd guess that the CPU usage is normal if you disable it.

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mkrufky:

ok, disable it by UPDATE'ing from within mysql?

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mkrufky:

or is there a more appropriate way to do it on the frontend machine itself?

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mkrufky:

oh... this is an option in the TVSEttings->Playback menu inside mythfrontend, right?

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janneg:

it is somewhere in the frontend setup (probably TV->playback) but disabling it in mysql is fine

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mkrufky:

hhehe

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stuarta:

both do the same thing :)

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janneg:

too slow

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mkrufky:

ok, I give this a try tonight

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mkrufky:

I'll let you know how it goes tomorrow

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mkrufky:

i hope it works — I didnt watch any of my shows yesterday because I didnt want to be tainted with choppiness :-P

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mkrufky:

...how does one know whether they should use Standard (ffmpeg) vs libmpeg2 for playback?

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stuarta:

standard unless you have a reason not to.

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mkrufky:

I've been usin glibmpeg2 on that box, seemed to be better at first... of course, i have exact same results after this recent update using either codec

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mkrufky:

s/glibmpeg2/libmpeg2

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mkrufky:

i read in the description that it will perform better on some AMD CPUs ... is there anything written anywhere that states which CPU's exactly fall into this category?

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simon_c:

er, is it just me, or is the mythtv.org site down ?

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stuarta:

simon_c: yes it's down atm

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Paladine:

yay I found my MCE remote and IR Blaster

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Paladine:

gotta love it when your missus "tidies"

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simon_c:

stuarta, thanks. As long as people know.

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Paladine:

ok s the big black component with the usb cabloe and the two ports in the back of it, thats the blaster right?

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janneg:

mkrufky: I'll try it too when I'm home

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mkrufky:

great

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janneg:

mkrufky: i386 or x86_64 linux?

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mkrufky:

i386

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mkrufky:

the frontend is on an AthlonXP 3200+

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mkrufky:

the backend is on a P4 3.06 GHz HT

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janneg:

mkrufky: ok, one of our developer has not an unusually high load with opengl-vsync and the same nvidia version on a geode

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mkrufky:

s/not/got ?

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mkrufky:

:-)

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Dibblah:

Not.

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Dibblah:

And I'm not a dev :)

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janneg:

no, he can't reproduce it. but he remembers card specific problem

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Dibblah:

Anything >5200, I think.

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janneg:

Dibblah: but you are more than an user

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stuarta:

experienced tester :)

[16:03:38]

ignotus:

hello, is there a gmane gateway newsgroup for the MythTV mailing lists?

[16:03:59]

Dibblah:

As one of my users once claimed the title "Chief bugger"

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mkrufky:

heh

[16:04:21]

mkrufky:

well mine is a 5200

[16:04:36]

Dibblah:

Okay. We're on pretty much the same hardware, then.

[16:04:41]

mkrufky:

but the card itself is not a problem, as it worked perfectly with the older version of mythfrontend

[16:04:50]

mkrufky:

Dibblah: what sort of content are you recording?

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mkrufky:

stream type, i mean?

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mkrufky:

my system is only choking on HD streams

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Dibblah:

Ah!

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Dibblah:

This is only SD.

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mkrufky:

SD streams, and previously transcoded streams play just fine

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mkrufky:

ok, so Dibblah's test doesnt count

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Dibblah:

HD with a Geode?!

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mkrufky:

what is a Geode?

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mkrufky:

(sorry)

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Dibblah:

Ah. Okay. It's a low power AMD Athlon XP, effectively.

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mkrufky:

oh

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Dibblah:

What's the processor you're on?

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mkrufky:

this is a Athlon XP 3200

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Dibblah:

Isn't that marginal for SD anyway?

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mkrufky:

3200+

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Dibblah:

HD, even.

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stuarta:

yeah, I only get about 10–15 fps on HD content on amd64 3200

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mkrufky:

it was playing HD perfectly with the older processor

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mkrufky:

the older processor was AMD Athlon XP 1800+

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Dibblah:

There still is some point to my testing – There is basically no difference between .19 and current...

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mkrufky:

but that old processer would choke if it had to deinterlace 1080i streams

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Dibblah:

You must have been using XVMC?

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mkrufky:

so I upgraded to 3200+ and it runs smooth ever since

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mkrufky:

no, i was always using libmpeg2

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Dibblah:

Wow.

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stuarta:

also helps if it's mpeg2 HD, unlike our UK HD streams

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Dibblah:

Never heard of anyone doing HD with less than a 2.4ish...

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mkrufky:

i *am* tlaking about mpeg2 HD

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Dibblah:

Yeah – Ours are h.264.

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stuarta:

which lets you have the benefit of XvMC

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mkrufky:

Dibblah: well, this athlonxp 3200 is comparable to an intel 2.0 GHz

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mkrufky:

the 1800 is comparable to intel 1.0 GHz

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mkrufky:

both worked fine, for HD @ 720p in mpeg2

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Dibblah:

Yeah, I know.

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mkrufky:

the 1800 chokes on 1080i

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mkrufky:

3200 rocks no matter what (until yesterday)

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mkrufky:

h.264 ..... that's mpeg4 ... surely would require more juice

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Dibblah:

Lots more.

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Dibblah:

But I don't have any HD channels...

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mkrufky:

sucks :-(

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stuarta:

i do, but completely different hardware.

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mkrufky:

"i do" ... you do what?

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stuarta:

have HD channels

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mkrufky:

stuarta: are you telling me that I might get better performance by using XVMC instead of Standard or libmpeg2 ?

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Dibblah:

Yes. Ish.

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mkrufky:

given that i am viewing mpeg2 streams

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stuarta:

sure XvMC can accelerate mpeg2 decoding.

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Dibblah:

You may get some reduced OSD functionality.

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Dibblah:

(mono OSD)

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Dibblah:

Okay. You will.

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janneg:

Dibblah: can you compare you're configure options with http://rafb.net/paste/results/yfJKRB77.html

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janneg:

heading home, will report in approximately an hour if I can reproduce it

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stuarta:

later, i'm off home too...

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mkrufky:

ah, ok thanks guys

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mkrufky:

Dibblah: what do you mean by "mono OSD" ?

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halcyon:

the OSD will only be in one color

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halcyon:

or similar

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mkrufky:

i've only ever seen it in one color

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mkrufky:

hehe.... i guess i wont know what im missing

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Dibblah:

Monochrome.

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Dibblah:

Not blue.

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halcyon:

err yeah, not "one color" I guess

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Dibblah:

Black / white.

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mkrufky:

you mesn the OSD menu while watching a stream, right?

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Dibblah:

Is that how you've seen it before?

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Dibblah:

Yes.

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mkrufky:

not the navigation menu itself,

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Dibblah:

If it is, you have been using XVMC

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mkrufky:

yes... already ive only seen this on my box in grey/white

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mkrufky:

hmm.......

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mkrufky:

i am _definately_ using the libmpeg2 option

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mkrufky:

there's probably a query I can run on the database to prove it

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Dibblah:

What's your OSD theme?

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bongalo:

I have a few questions regarding the definition of backend and frontend. From what I've read the backend with a good capture card does NOT need a good video card or a vid card at all if you are just using the server to record shows to be displayed or streamed on a different computer. Is that correct?

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Dibblah:

Typ.

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Dibblah:

Yup, even.

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mkrufky:

Dibblah: i dont remember the name of it.... but it is textured blue background, all white text. there is a long oval surrounding the active menu item

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mkrufky:

if you said the name i would know it

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mkrufky:

sorry if im being difficult :-/

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halcyon:

Iulius or something

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bongalo:

Dibblah, was that a responce to my question?

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Dibblah:

bongalo: yes.

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bongalo:

Dibblah, thanks.

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mkrufky:

halcyon: that might be it .....

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Dibblah:

mkrufky: So you don't see the OSD in black / white?

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Dibblah:

It's Blue / overlay?

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mkrufky:

i see it in grey/white

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mkrufky:

absolutely NO blue

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mkrufky:

the osd does overlay the video, but video is not always very smooth when the OSD is visible

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Dibblah:

This is all very odd :)

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mkrufky:

well, now im confused

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mkrufky:

this is how it always worked, i took it for proper behavior

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lucas123:

hey folks. I'm hoping to get a tip on how to get my ir-blaster to work. I'm using a 2nd copy of lirc, named ledxmit as suggested on various places on the web.

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lucas123:

I have the ledxmitd daemon running, listening to /dev/ledxmit0

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Dibblah:

It is proper behavior. If XVMC is on.

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lucas123:

I call ledxmit-irsend with --device /dev/ledxmitd SEND_ONCE myremote mybutton

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mkrufky:

Dibblah: is it possible that libmpeg2 uses xvmc?

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lucas123:

where myremote is a remote in /etc/ledxmit.conf which I created with irrecord.

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Dibblah:

No, it doesn't.

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Dibblah:

xvmc is orthogonal.

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lucas123:

I modprobe ledxmit_serial with debug=1, and see kernel messages such as: Interrupt 4, port 03f8 obtained

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lucas123:

SET_SEND_CARRIER

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lucas123:

SET_SEND_DUTY_CYCLE

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lucas123:

but the actual ir blaster seems to not do anything at all. any ideas?

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mkrufky:

Dibblah: im not very familiar with the database table layout.... do you know a query that i can run offhand that can prove what im using?

[16:36:27]

mkrufky:

i should really just install phpmyadmin

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halcyon:

so is it possible for XvMC not to have the monochrome OSD? I tried it out and got color OSD...

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Dibblah:

SELECT * FROM mythconverg.settings where value like "%XV%"

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Dibblah:

If you have a color OSD, you don't have XVMC.

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mkrufky:

| MTDxvidFlag | 1 | assassin |

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Dibblah:

Nope.

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mkrufky:

^^ this means that assassin is in fact running XVMC ?

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Dibblah:

Anything else?

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mkrufky:

similar lines for two other frontend boxes

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Dibblah:

Nah – That's a transcode flag.

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mkrufky:

ah

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Dibblah:

UseXVMC is the setting.

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halcyon:

weird, I compiled and enabled XvMC in the frontend, but it didn't seem to do anything, guess that's why :D

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Dibblah:

When do you get back to the machine in question?

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mkrufky:

eight hours from now

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mkrufky:

actually, six hours

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Dibblah:

Okay. It'll probably be easier for someone else to debug then, then :)

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mkrufky:

janneg recommended that I disable UseOpenGLVSync

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mkrufky:

im hoping that will do the trick

[16:42:06]

mkrufky:

anyway, i have some other strange bugs that we can talk about:

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Dibblah:

Woo hoo! :)

[16:42:42]

mkrufky:

the little preview of the recordings that shows in the navigation menu — as of yesterday's update, now the colors are badly inverted

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Dibblah:

Aha!!!

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mkrufky:

this has definately got to come from the mpeg decoder , right?

[16:43:05]

Dibblah:

Yes, it does.

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mkrufky:

you say "aha" as if it is a related problem?

[16:43:37]

Dibblah:

It could mean that you have mmx disabled somehow.

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mkrufky:

also, mythfrontend cpu usage is ~87% when showing a preview in the navigation menu ..... it never used to be this high

[16:44:08]

mkrufky:

mmx disabled?!? how could that have ahppeneD?

[16:44:34]

Dibblah:

If it misdetects your CPU.

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nandy_:

wow i cant for the life of me find a store that sells the PVR-350 are they that new?

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mkrufky:

....and then it could be related to the other problem

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mkrufky:

pvr350 are NOT new

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Dibblah:

The preview window uses a different display method.

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Kelerion:

they just *that* old

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nandy_:

everyone sells the 150

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Dibblah:

It's always higher CPU – But if you've got MMX disabled, then it's even more expensive.

[16:45:41]

mkrufky:

Dibblah: yes, i figured that

[16:45:43]

nandy_:

no one sells the 350

[16:45:59]

mkrufky:

the pvr350 is the only card with tvout

[16:46:06]

mkrufky:

and i bought mine a few months ago

[16:46:16]

mkrufky:

(i dont use it with mythtv)

[16:46:34]

Kelerion:

and nowadays.. it's cheaper to get a 150 and a new graphics card.. a 6200 or something similar

[16:46:50]

mkrufky:

Dibblah: but if it is misdetecting the CPU, perhaps the main player is also having the same cpu misdetectiopn issue?

[16:46:52]

Kelerion:

that it is to get a 350 (if you can find one)

[16:47:00]

hjohnson:

grumble.. the store says they don't have the open box amd64 I ordered and they said they had in stock

[16:47:01]

mkrufky:

and if so, how can i force it ? or find out more?

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Dibblah:

Yes.

[16:47:22]

Dibblah:

What does configure output look like?

[16:47:42]

mkrufky:

^^ WAS THAT FOR ME?

[16:47:47]

mkrufky:

oops sorry caps

[16:47:47]

seth|laptop:

I have an interesting question. Before I upgraded my knoppmyth, my HDTV would playback in 5.1 all the time, meanwhile the show that recorded before it would commflag. Now even with commflag disabled, My HDTV will not play in 5.1, the audio doesn't play but a "blerp" for the first second, and then my a/v reciever blinks from digital to prologic over and over again, and I cannot hear anything. Any ideas?

[16:47:52]

Dibblah:

Ah. Wait. Are you using a package, or compiling yourself?

[16:47:56]

nandy_:

Kelerion: but it doesnt have the mp2 decoder right?

[16:48:02]

mkrufky:

Dibblah: i am using the ATrpms package

[16:49:01]

Kelerion:

nope.. so you get a new gfx card.. still works out cheaper than a 350 I think

[16:49:30]

nandy_:

350 is 129$

[16:49:31]

mkrufky:

pvr350 can decode mpeg2 in hardware .... not many graphics cards can do that in linux

[16:49:33]

nandy_:

on amazon

[16:49:38]

Dibblah:

mkrufky: In which case, you haven't run configure, so you can't have done anything wrong.

[16:49:41]

nandy_:

thats pretty cheap

[16:49:47]

mkrufky:

Dibblah: true ;-)

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Kelerion:

and how much is a 150?

[16:49:55]

nandy_:

99$

[16:50:02]

nandy_:

or 87

[16:50:04]

mkrufky:

350=worth it

[16:50:26]

mkrufky:

(for analog video or sdtv only)

[16:51:27]

Kelerion:

plus.. the 350 chips are not as good a capture as a 150 apparently

[16:51:45]

mkrufky:

Kelerion: very small difference

[16:51:47]

nandy_:

so one of each!

[16:52:13]

Kelerion:

just going by what I've noticed others experiences have been :)

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mkrufky:

the pvr350 uses cx23415 for mpeg encoding / decoding ... pvr150 uses cx23416 for encoding only

[16:52:34]

mkrufky:

pvr350 uses saa7115 video decoder, pvr150 uses cx2584x audio+video decoder

[16:52:49]

Dibblah:

Anyone else running from ATRPMs?

[16:52:54]

mkrufky:

quality of saa7115 + wm8775 vs cx2584x is about the same

[16:53:03]

** Kelerion chuckles **

[16:53:10]

Dibblah:

Shouldn't be, but it is :(

[16:53:11]

mkrufky:

:-)

[16:53:11]

Kelerion:

I ain't gonna argue with a kernel developer :P

[16:53:32]

mkrufky:

i didnt write the drivers, but i do know the differences between them ;-)

[16:53:43]

Dibblah:

The 150 _should_ have a small lead. But they don't.

[16:54:39]

nandy_:

mk500: so i should indeed order the 350?

[16:54:46]

nandy_:

if i am reading you right :P

[16:55:19]

** mkrufky assumes nandy_ is talking to him **

[16:55:29]

mkrufky:

only if you want tv-out capabilities

[16:55:33]

nandy_:

wow

[16:55:38]

nandy_:

nick compleition for the lose

[16:55:44]

nandy_:

yes i ment you sir

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mkrufky:

;-)

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[16:56:20]

mkrufky:

pvr350 can take the load of mpeg2 decoding off the cpu

[16:56:25]

Dibblah:

Personally, I'd go for one of the go7007 things :)

[16:56:45]

mkrufky:

but if you transcode to nuppelvideo, you lose all the pvr350's hardware acceleration, i think

[16:56:58]

mkrufky:

ya those go7007's seem real nice

[16:57:06]

Dibblah:

Only if you transcode to mpeg4.

[16:57:27]

mkrufky:

hopefully we'll have that driver added for 2.6.20 (dont quote me on that)

[16:57:47]

Dibblah:

The pvr350 is really old-tech, though, output wise. It's not really well supported.

[16:58:12]

hjohnson:

for a while the 350 used to be the best TV output available.

[16:58:23]

Dibblah:

It still can be – For SD.

[16:58:27]

hjohnson:

right

[16:58:29]

mkrufky:

it's still better than the hollywood/dxr3+

[16:58:33]

Dibblah:

Heh.

[16:58:37]

Dibblah:

That's not hard.

[16:58:39]

mkrufky:

hehe

[16:58:45]

mkrufky:

for SD these both are good

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hjohnson:

I was thinking of ditching the whole "TV" thing anyhow, and just using an LCD moniotr

[16:58:55]

mkrufky:

the moment we're doing HD they are both useless

[16:59:01]

Dibblah:

I just use my 82"...

[16:59:17]

mkrufky:

...although i was able to get my pvr350 to decode HD @ 720p .... it dies after 3 sec

[16:59:23]

hjohnson:

I just wish that the broadcasters and such would FOAD with the whole DRM crap

[16:59:27]

hjohnson:

what a farking rip-off

[17:00:00]

mkrufky:

FOAD .... is that the magic word, plus, "off and die" ?

[17:00:05]

** mkrufky guesses **

[17:00:13]

hjohnson:

mkrufky: yes

[17:00:16]

mkrufky:

:-D

[17:00:33]

Dibblah:

Nothing at all wrong with open DRM.

[17:00:33]

Paladine:

anyone had any joy installing the latest lirc?

[17:01:00]

hjohnson:

Dibblah: sure there is.. I should be able to do whatever I want wiht material that I have a license to, as long as I do not violate copyright law.

[17:01:04]

Dibblah:

I am using 8.0, from source.

[17:01:05]

mkrufky:

latest lirc in atrpms is working fine fome, if that helps at all

[17:01:19]

Dibblah:

hjohnson: No, you get to do what you *pay for*.

[17:01:42]

hjohnson:

Dibblah: uhm, no. That's a direct contravention of copyright law, and the fair use provisions.

[17:02:01]

Dibblah:

Hmmm.

[17:02:09]

hjohnson:

whatever I choose to do material that I have rights to use is my own buisness, as long as I don't transfer it to other people.

[17:03:14]

mkrufky:

grrrr.... also my backend seems to be crashing all day today

[17:03:21]

mkrufky:

it's crashing during EIT capture

[17:03:57]

Dibblah:

What's the input?

[17:04:04]

mkrufky:

ATSC

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Dibblah:

And you need EIT?

[17:04:18]

mkrufky:

(did i answer the right question?)

[17:04:24]

Dibblah:

:)

[17:04:32]

mkrufky:

i use xmltv via datadirect for my main scheduling

[17:04:41]

mkrufky:

EIT gets last-minute updates

[17:04:46]

Dibblah:

I'd seriously consider

[17:04:53]

Dibblah:

disabling EIT.

[17:04:54]

mkrufky:

i think i have to turn off the EIT

[17:04:56]

mkrufky:

yes

[17:05:06]

mkrufky:

....you have bad experience with it also?

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mkrufky:

how can i disable EIT without running mythtv-setup?

[17:05:25]

Dibblah:

Well, it tends to kick the scheduler waay too often for me.

[17:05:29]

Dibblah:

You can't.

[17:05:32]

mkrufky:

:-(

[17:05:45]

mkrufky:

the bandwidth isnt high enough for me to run that program over X

[17:05:55]

Dibblah:

Time for NX :)

[17:06:04]

mkrufky:

NX

[17:06:08]

Dibblah:

nxserver

[17:06:08]

mkrufky:

?

[17:06:28]

** mkrufky feels dumb... never heard of nxserver **

[17:06:45]

Dibblah:

It's basically a hosted x session.

[17:06:51]

Dibblah:

With a compression layer, etc.

[17:06:56]

mkrufky:

ah

[17:07:06]

Dibblah:

X over 56k works, reasonably well.

[17:07:07]

mkrufky:

i can just start a vncserver

[17:07:12]

Dibblah:

True.

[17:07:13]

mkrufky:

that would work

[17:07:15]

mkrufky:

i'll try it

[17:07:40]

RaYmAn-Bx:

doesn't nxserver have RDP emulation as well?

[17:08:16]

Dibblah:

Yup.

[17:08:23]

Dibblah:

And VNC.

[17:08:49]

RaYmAn-Bx:

tbh, I have never gotten VNC working anywhere near as good as RDP does

[17:09:05]

Dibblah:

MS seems to think it's OK.

[17:09:18]

Dibblah:

... They use it in Virtual Server.

[17:09:32]

RaYmAn-Bx:

they don't use RDP? Are you sure?

[17:09:37]

Dibblah:

Yes.

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mkrufky:

allright.... VNC over SSH

[17:10:27]

GreyFoxx:

ssh user@host -L5900:localhost:5900

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GreyFoxx:

then vnc to localhost and you forward through ssh

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mkrufky:

hehe im way past there, thanks though

[17:10:55]

mkrufky:

im already in a session, waiting for mythtv-setup to come up

[17:11:07]

Paladine:

sods law that

[17:11:14]

Dibblah:

Err...

[17:11:17]

GreyFoxx:

ssh port forwarding makes my life much easier :)

[17:11:22]

Paladine:

my mce remote is supported, the receiver is also supported

[17:11:26]

Paladine:

but the blaster is not hehe

[17:11:27]

Dibblah:

Ah. Sorry – I just read your question :((

[17:11:42]

Dibblah:

Paladine: Yes it is. But it is *nasty*.

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Paladine:

the 1040?

[17:11:54]

mkrufky:

GreyFoxx: yes.... without port forwarding, i would NEVER know what my mythback was up to while im at work, lol

[17:12:02]

Paladine:

according to the wiki it isn't supported

[17:12:10]

Dibblah:

There's a patch on the mailing list.

[17:12:20]

mkrufky:

(i wouldn't DARE opening up my mythweb port to the internet)

[17:12:21]

Paladine:

well I can't install it at the moment

[17:12:30]

Dibblah:

However, you HAVE to use the little transmitter things.

[17:12:41]

Paladine:

lirc is throwing a wobbly about my bttv version

[17:12:49]

Dibblah:

Which have a range of approximately a couple of microns.

[17:13:20]

Paladine:

Dibblah, I can just dangle them right in front of the receiver on the sky box

[17:13:26]

Paladine:

since I have the skybox on my desk

[17:13:33]

Dibblah:

Dangle? No, you have to stick.

[17:13:42]

Paladine:

I can do that too :)

[17:13:46]

nandy_:

yay 350 ordered up

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nandy_:

should be here in a day

[17:13:52]

Dibblah:

Seriously – The range *is* that bad.

[17:13:59]

GreyFoxx:

nandy_: You low on CPU or something ?

[17:14:22]

nandy_:

nah

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nandy_:

just building this thing now

[17:14:37]

GreyFoxx:

Seriously, the 350 is a waste of money

[17:14:38]

nandy_:

havent even bought the cpu yet to be low on :P

[17:14:41]

GreyFoxx:

heh

[17:14:44]

nandy_:

at 120 bones

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kormoc:

mkrufky, it's not that bad to do, if you secure it properly

[17:14:48]

nandy_:

its not a huge loss

[17:14:56]

nandy_:

ill probably end up with a 350 + 150 or 250

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** hjohnson grumps at his local computer shop that doesn't have the openbox athlon 64 they promised me. **

[17:15:17]

kormoc:

nandy_, the main issue is the 350 costs more then a 150 and a nvidia card, and looks worse and is harder to setup

[17:15:32]

** halcyon shakes his fist at hjohnson's local computer shop **

[17:15:45]

Paladine:

Dibblah, you got a link to that patch mate?

[17:15:49]

hjohnson:

halcyon: now they want me to pay more for a retail box CPU that hasn't been opened yet..

[17:15:55]

kormoc:

nandy_, that's why people consider it a waste of money, given you get less and spend more

[17:15:56]

** kormoc shrugs **

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hjohnson:

halcyon: so I just wrote them back and said "I don't see why I should have to pay for a mistake that you folks made"

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halcyon:

you should suggest they turn around, open the box, and then sell it to you cheaper

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hjohnson:

lol

[17:16:36]

hjohnson:

mmm.. pay day

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halcyon:

me too, monies!

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nandy_:

kormoc: but there is an advantage for playback with the build in decoder right?

[17:17:14]

mkrufky:

ok i have mythtv-setup open.... it's real slow over this VNC over SSH connection, so looking around for the option in the menu wont be fun... where do i go to disable EIT? IIRC, it's in each individual card setup, right?

[17:17:18]

halcyon:

not much, unless you have a really slow pc

[17:17:23]

halcyon:

which, doesn't look like you will

[17:17:31]

Dibblah:

http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/222593

[17:17:35]

Dibblah:

probably.

[17:17:45]

peppo:

any Hauppauge PVR 150 users on 2.6.17 and having problems with 2.6.17?

[17:17:59]

kormoc:

nandy_, very very little. with XvMC, you can hardware playback of a bit of mpeg2 on the videocard itself, with a higher quality tv-out signal (usually)

[17:18:06]

mkrufky:

peppo: are you using ivtv 0.7.X ?

[17:18:15]

peppo:

mkrufky, yes.

[17:18:27]

seth|laptop:

occasionally my audio becomes distorted with 2.6.17 and pvr 150, but exiting live tv and going back in usually resolves the issue

[17:18:29]

peppo:

0.7.0, tagged release.

[17:18:33]

seth|laptop:

in fact almost always

[17:18:38]

mkrufky:

peppo: what problem do you see?

[17:18:44]

peppo:

oops, I forgot to mention: problems with lirc.

[17:18:48]

peppo:

not with ivtv itself

[17:18:56]

mkrufky:

oh, so ivtv is red herring

[17:19:20]

nandy_:

kormoc: so you suggest the 150 or?

[17:19:23]

peppo:

getting a "Sep 13 20:44:17 localhost lircd-0.8.0[25931]: default_init(): No such device" in syslog when loading the lirc modules

[17:19:33]

peppo:

and only /dev/lirc, lircd and lircm are created, no lirc0

[17:19:47]

kormoc:

nandy_, I would suggest a 150 + a 6200 nvidia card over the 350, aye

[17:20:02]

** seth|laptop agrees, thats what I have **

[17:20:28]

kormoc:

nandy_, also, the nvidia card supports hardware opengl, which myth 0.20 can use in the frontend for pretty stuff, and the 350 doesn't, so it will be very slow in opengl mode

[17:20:39]

nandy_:

ok

[17:20:44]

nandy_:

so 150 + 6200 or higher?

[17:20:55]

nandy_:

with an an athalon xp 2800 or 3000

[17:20:59]

nandy_:

should be good performance?

[17:20:59]

Dibblah:

Also, no point in installing mythgame on the 350...

[17:21:10]

kormoc:

nandy_, that would work wonderful, and even support HDTV

[17:21:24]

nandy_:

cool

[17:21:48]

seth|laptop:

well I am having problems with HDTV/OTA, but its audio related, the 6200 card handles it just dandy

[17:22:23]

seth|laptop:

if you can, get the 6200 with the Component-Out video dongle, in hindsight, I wished I had done so

[17:22:58]

kormoc:

Aye, MSI makes a nice passively cooled 6200 that is quite cheap, and has component, svideo, and composite out

[17:23:14]

simcop2387:

is there a wiki entry on the "Experimental" commercial detection?

[17:23:16]

kormoc:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814127203

[17:23:18]

nandy_:

cool

[17:23:23]

nandy_:

msi 6200

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seth|laptop:

i have the fanless MSI w/out the dongle, so i am stuck with svideo instead of component (RGB)

[17:23:48]

nandy_:

150 or 150MCE?

[17:23:54]

kormoc:

simcop2387, you could always use the search page on the wiki to check

[17:23:55]

** seth|laptop wonders if they sell that part seperate **

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kormoc:

nandy_, that more depends on you.

[17:24:12]

seth|laptop:

I have the MCE, only difference is, I have no on card irblaster ports

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kormoc:

nandy_, each one has a slightly different set of features, and so it all depends on the ones you want

[17:24:59]

seth|laptop:

and my MCE remote only had about a 6ft range, so I traded up to an ATI remote wonder, and I made a serial port ir blaster

[17:25:29]

seth|laptop:

living room 24ft, remote 6ft = have to get up

[17:25:31]

kormoc:

seth|laptop, that's strange, my mce usb2 remote has around a 100 foot range, and bounces around a ton

[17:25:44]

seth|laptop:

my remote was version 1

[17:25:49]

seth|laptop:

it was an older rig

[17:25:51]

kormoc:

ahh, sad

[17:26:14]

seth|laptop:

but the ati I won on ebay for $2 US works from my office, I like RF

[17:26:40]

kormoc:

I had to stand in the parking lot and shoot the remote though a 2ed story window and it worked at around 90 feet and stoped at around 100 feet. I've been rather impressed with it

[17:26:44]

seth|laptop:

good for switching out tunes

[17:26:52]

seth|laptop:

WOW

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seth|laptop:

that is impressive

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kormoc:

yeah, every so often, I wonder if it's gonna start killing people, cause well, it's crazy

[17:27:33]

bongalo:

nice, atrpms has mythtv 0.20 rpms. Im upgrading tonight

[17:28:38]

simcop2387:

kormoc: yea i'm looking looks like the only docs are in the code :)

[17:29:07]

simcop2387:

kormoc: what kind of remote is that?!? 90 feet away?

[17:29:17]

kormoc:

simcop2387, the microsoft mce usb2

[17:29:28]

simcop2387:

holy s*** thats far away

[17:29:33]

kormoc:

Aye

[17:29:42]

Paladine:

man I am way to tired to be trying to install lirc

[17:29:49]

kormoc:

in my room, I don't even point it at anything anymore, I just press keys and it just bounces around and works

[17:29:51]

Paladine:

it isn't haveing it at all lol

[17:30:10]

simcop2387:

kormoc: how many buttons? (i'm used to 24 buttons [including numbers!])

[17:30:29]

simcop2387:

and i have that controlling at least 6 different apps :)

[17:31:10]

kormoc:

simcop2387, http://registration.hauppauge.com/webstore/im . . . e_remote.jpg

[17:31:13]

Paladine:

anyone built lirc 0.8.0 or above on ubuntu?

[17:31:15]

kormoc:

that's the remote

[17:31:22]

simcop2387:

thanks

[17:31:41]

kormoc:

it also has a programmable tv power button and programmable tv volume buttons

[17:31:49]

lotia:

if i switch to mysql 5 and have an existing database, will i have issues because of the reserved word conflict?

[17:31:50]

simcop2387:

nice

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halcyon:

Paladine: yes

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Paladine:

halycon did you have any problems?

[17:32:15]

Paladine:

it isn't going anywhere for me

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halcyon:

not that I remember.. what's happening

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kormoc:

lotia, not in 0.19+

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mkrufky:

oooh! mythtv is aware of hybrid v4l/dvb devices now?!?

[17:32:36]

Paladine:

make has an absolute fit about bttv but I apparantly have the correct version

[17:32:40]

** mkrufky looking in mythtv-setup **

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simcop2387:

damn 44 buttons! i'd be living a life of luxury

[17:33:00]

halcyon:

are you using bttv for the remote?

[17:33:10]

lotia:

kormoc: so the scheme will automatically get updated?

[17:33:10]

simcop2387:

kormoc: if i get one i'm painting off all the microsoft logos :)

[17:33:27]

kormoc:

heh

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Paladine:

halcyon, I am just trying to follow the build instructions on the wiki for lirc

[17:33:39]

lotia:

kormoc: and work around the conflict?

[17:33:50]

kormoc:

lotia, it's not changed, but they updated it to use the 'blah' form, so it doesn't count as a reserved word anymore

[17:33:52]

halcyon:

oh. Hmm, does it complain about missing dependancies (sounds like bttv is one?)

[17:33:52]

Paladine:

I get about 30 pages of errors

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** hjohnson returns **

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lotia:

kormoc: thanks

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Paladine:

home/paladine/lirc-0.8.1pre1/drivers/lirc_gpio/lirc_gpio.c:58:2: error: #error " Sorry, this driver needs bttv version 0.7.45 or

[17:34:37]

Paladine:

think that is the first error

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Paladine:

some may have scrolled out of the buffer

[17:35:10]

seth|laptop:

how does one tell if XvMC is being used

[17:35:40]

halcyon:

hmm, dunno, I do see from my config.log that I had a few build dep errors too but nothing too problematic.

[17:35:49]

simcop2387:

seth|laptop: is the UI in color or black and white?

[17:35:54]

GreyFoxx:

seth|laptop: pull up the OSD, if it's just grayscale with no colours tyhen it's XvMC

[17:35:58]

seth|laptop:

Black and white

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simcop2387:

you have xvmc

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Paladine:

halcyon, I am trying to follow this guide http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/MCE_Remote

[17:36:25]

seth|laptop:

well then that can't be my issue

[17:36:53]

mkrufky:

GreyFoxx: i have greyscale OSD and i am NOT using xvmc ...

[17:36:56]

** simcop2387 plans on building a serial receiver, is the MCE remote IR or RF? **

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Paladine:

the manual route

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seth|laptop:

MCE=IR

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GreyFoxx:

mkrufky: What OSD theme do you have set ?

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simcop2387:

good

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kormoc:

simcop2387, ir

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mkrufky:

i cant remember the name... i think it was lilius or something like that

[17:38:00]

seth|laptop:

that is my favorite OSD

[17:38:21]

GreyFoxx:

I thought that was a menu theme only, I didn't know it was an OSD as well

[17:38:21]

mkrufky:

that's got to be the right name, then

[17:38:31]

mkrufky:

ah, oops

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mkrufky:

i never changed the OSD theme

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mkrufky:

it is still ising the default

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seth|laptop:

then you are probably using TiTilivius (spelling)

[17:39:33]

GreyFoxx:

mk500: from a commandline run this:

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GreyFoxx:

err mkr: mythfrontend -G OSDTheme

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GreyFoxx:

What value does it return ?

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GreyFoxx:

And do the same with this: mythfrontend -G PreferredMPEG2Decoder

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nandy_:

does anyone in here succsessfully use PSP Location Free + MythTV?

[17:41:37]

mkrufky:

my frontend box is powered down right now, and I am 30 miles away

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GreyFoxx:

Is the backend on a different box ?

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mkrufky:

^^ yes, i said miles.... us stupid americans dont use metric system, lol

[17:42:09]

mkrufky:

yes, backend is separate box from frontend

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seth|laptop:

ack, lircd is using 47% CPU, this can't be norma;

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GreyFoxx:

mkrufky: K

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GreyFoxx:

Run both of those when you have it up

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GreyFoxx:

see what myth thinks they are set too :)

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mkrufky:

i will do so

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nandy_:

kormoc: ahh i see the 150 has an ir blaster with it — handy!

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seth|laptop:

thats it, tonight when I go home, I'm taking off knoppmyth R5D1 and re-installing R5C7. There are just too many wierd things going on in this box

[17:47:23]

hjohnson:

lol

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hjohnson:

hmm.. my thinkpad is in weenie roaster mode

[17:50:28]

kormoc:

nandy_, aye, not sure if it's supported, but it does exist

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simcop2387:

hrm strange my seek table was mangled

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mkrufky:

...ok, it took that long for me to disable EIT using vnc over ssh, phew!

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nandy_:

kormoc: that MSI 6200 you were talking about does it have component out or just svid?

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halcyon:

hehe fun stuff mkrufky

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mkrufky:

maybe mythbackend will stay up now :-/

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kormoc:

nandy_, svideo and component

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kormoc:

nandy_, and you can get a adapter for svideo to composite

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mkrufky:

better off now anyway..... EIT was providing some BAD info

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mkrufky:

for some reason, it pushed back all my recordings last night by 1 hour.... if i didnt catch it in time i would have missed everything!

[17:52:38]

crayzee:

Hey, mytharchive. How do you change the order the recordings appear in?

[17:52:55]

janneg:

mkrufky: I can't reproduce it with the same configure options and using opengl-vsync (:

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** crayzee quotes "The final page of the wizard shows you the shows you have chosen and the order in which they will appear on the DVD and also shows whether a cut list will be used." **

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crayzee:

But how do you CHANGE it? This would be so awesome....

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mkrufky:

janneg: :-(

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mkrufky:

janneg: viewing a raw dvb stream?

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mkrufky:

in HD ?

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janneg:

no HD available

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Paladine:

ok I am gonna leave this til tomorrow

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mkrufky:

then you couldnt reproduce this no matter how hard you try

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mkrufky:

the problem _only_ occurs in HD

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Paladine:

been up for two days and I have no chance of figuring this out when I am this tired

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Paladine:

it islooking for bttv.h

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Paladine:

but I already have bttv installed as a module

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Ribs:

Paladine, Ubuntu?

[17:57:14]

Paladine:

yeah

[17:57:21]

Ribs:

Paladine, yeah, there is a bug with that

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Paladine:

trying to install lirc

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Ribs:

apt-get the kernel source for your arch as well

[17:57:41]

Paladine:

already have the kernel source

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Ribs:

okay

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mkrufky:

what bttv-input bug in ubuntuy?

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Paladine:

./configure goes fine

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janneg:

mkrufky: are you sure? at the ML users are also complaining about SD

[17:57:56]

Ribs:

Paladine, yeah, it will

[17:58:03]

Ribs:

Paladine, I fixed this on my machine a few days ago

[17:58:04]

Ribs:

so listen

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Paladine:

make just turnsinto a 15th century post battlefield of corposes

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mkrufky:

janneg: maybe, but i have no trouble with SD .... i tested fully

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** Paladine listens **

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Ribs:

Paladine, apt-get the kernel headers as well

[17:58:41]

mkrufky:

janneg: I admit, cpu usage is higher than it should be, but it still plays smooth. only HD is too much for it to handle smoothly, now

[17:58:47]

Paladine:

oh hang on I might have installed the headers andnot the source

[17:58:48]

Ribs:

Paladine, move the files it complains about being missing from the sources into the headers directory

[17:59:06]

Ribs:

and specify where your kernel is at the ./configure stage

[17:59:13]

Ribs:

tell it the location of the headers file

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Paladine:

./configure never prompted mefor anything

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mkrufky:

i think i should try to play a recording using mplayer alone, and see how that affects the cpu

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mkrufky:

(:'( no commercial skipping in mplayer)

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janneg:

mkrufky: yes, your cpu can cope with the extra load for SD but it is too much for HD

[18:00:58]

Paladine:

hang on installing the source now, I had the headers installed but not he source

[18:01:31]

Ribs:

Paladine, you don't get prompted

[18:01:35]

Ribs:

you just bloody well tell it!

[18:01:41]

crayzee:

Any ideas on changing order of recordings with MythArchive?

[18:01:41]

Ribs:

./configue --help should help you

[18:01:42]

** mkrufky doesnt have the coolest tv in the heighborhood anymore **

[18:01:52]

Paladine:

Ribs did you use ./configure --prefix=/usr --sysconfdir=/etc/conf.d --with-x --with-driver=all

[18:02:05]

Ribs:

wtf

[18:02:09]

Ribs:

1) why --with-x

[18:02:10]

Paladine:

am trying to follow the manual install on the mythtv wiki

[18:02:15]

Ribs:

2) why --with-driver=all

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crayzee:

mkrufky, just an idea, have you ran glxinfo to check you still have "direct rendering"?

[18:02:24]

Paladine:

cos thats what the wiki says to do

[18:02:26]

Ribs:

Paladine, find out which driver you need

[18:02:32]

Ribs:

and just compile that one

[18:02:41]

Paladine:

I need to patch lirc too

[18:02:49]

Ribs:

only one of the drivers fails to compile on ubuntu

[18:02:52]

Paladine:

and I have no idea how to patch it

[18:02:53]

Ribs:

so check which one you need

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Paladine:

I have the patch, but don't know what to do with it

[18:03:12]

mkrufky:

crayzee: i'll check on that tonight also.... maybe it's just the direct rendering part of the nvidia driver got broken?

[18:03:37]

halcyon:

aren't you supposed to run ./setup.sh or something?

[18:03:46]

markit:

any italian here that has an hardware complete configuration system to suggest me?

[18:04:03]

Paladine:

./setup.sh is for gentoo

[18:04:09]

halcyon:

I used it for ubuntu

[18:04:28]

Paladine:

oh ok

[18:04:36]

Paladine:

how do i apply this patch for the blaster?

[18:04:40]

Paladine:

brb

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Paladine:

back

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** kormoc raises an eyebrow **

[18:06:02]

Paladine:

do I need to apply the patch before I do setup.sh?

[18:06:06]

kormoc:

setup.sh for gentoo?

[18:06:29]

kormoc:

with gentoo, you just emerge package, why would you compile one by hand?

[18:06:40]

Paladine:

oh I misread, it says aren't placed in the gentoo locations, I read it as are doh

[18:06:49]

Paladine:

am not using gentoo

[18:08:00]

Ribs:

patch -p0 -i file.patch

[18:08:03]

Ribs:

iirc

[18:08:10]

Ribs:

or -p1

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Ribs:

depending on where you are in the source

[18:08:32]

Paladine:

do I have to mv the patch to the source directory first?

[18:08:36]

Paladine:

never patched anything before

[18:09:19]

Ribs:

no

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Ribs:

you can patch -p0 -i /whatever/patch.patch

[18:09:50]

crayzee:

mkrufky, quite possibly. Check that agpgart is loaded before the nvidia module. If direct rendering is OFF, then look in /var/log/X(org?).0.log and look for (EE) s

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nandy_:

kormoc: how much ram is reasonable to spec into one of these machines?

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mkrufky:

crayzee: ok ....

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mkrufky:

i wish i left that box on before leaving the house

[18:11:27]

kormoc:

nandy_, I have 256 in mine right now, but I'm likely gonna bump it up to a gig soon

[18:11:41]

nandy_:

so a gig is enough?

[18:11:52]

kormoc:

Aye

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nandy_:

cool.

[18:12:03]

Paladine:

Ribs, http://pastebin.ca/170619

[18:12:03]

nandy_:

I think im going to buy the parts today

[18:12:07]

nandy_:

i bought a case yesterday

[18:12:08]

xris:

more than enough.

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mkrufky:

my frontend was running fine with 512MB

[18:12:23]

nandy_:

http://img.shopping.com/cctool/PrdImg/images/ . . . 31920276.JPG

[18:12:25]

Ribs:

try -p1

[18:12:26]

nandy_:

^^ that case

[18:12:32]

Paladine:

same with p1

[18:12:40]

nandy_:

matches the rest of my AV stuff :P

[18:12:44]

Ribs:

Paladine, cd ..

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Ribs:

and try again

[18:12:58]

antiPosix:

My back/front end works fine with 384MB ram and 16MB Video Ram

[18:13:05]

Ribs:

paste the patch file if that doesn't work

[18:13:26]

mkrufky:

you can also try to use -l (lowercase L) , to tell patch to ignore whitespace

[18:13:34]

kormoc:

antiPosix, how well does that play hd? :P

[18:13:35]

Dagmar:

That's not why it's not patching

[18:13:49]

Ribs:

mkrufky, if that's an issue, I'd say the patch file is borked

[18:14:11]

mkrufky:

eh, just tryin to help.... it never hurts to specify -l

[18:14:28]

Ribs:

I've never needed that before

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Ribs:

but meh

[18:14:35]

Dagmar:

The patch has no pathname info in it

[18:14:53]

mkrufky:

i need it cuz you should see the crazy b0rked patches that people send into the v4l/dvb mailing lists

[18:15:00]

Dagmar:

You will have to cd to the directory where lirc_mceusb2.c lives in the source, or specify it when patchtool asks.

[18:15:29]

Dagmar:

mkrufky: I'd tell them to fuck right off until they can learn to make unified diffs (-urN) like are used for the kernel.

[18:15:48]

mkrufky:

i think i already told too many people to fuck off, lol

[18:16:14]

mkrufky:

oh, no u've misunderstood me

[18:16:17]

mkrufky:

imagine this:

[18:16:48]

mkrufky:

a source tree might have some trailing whitespace..... user pulls that tree, generates a unified diff, sends it in

[18:16:59]

mkrufky:

meanwhile, somebody ELSE cleaned the whitespace problem from the tree

[18:17:05]

mkrufky:

no user#1's patch wont apply

[18:17:08]

mkrufky:

patch -l fixes that

[18:17:08]

Paladine:

rib http://pastebin.ca/170626

[18:17:14]

mkrufky:

s/no/noW

[18:18:12]

Paladine:

patch -p0 -i -l lirc_mceusb2.patch ?

[18:18:21]

Cardoe:

what's wrong with lirc_mceusb2?

[18:18:50]

nandy_:

kormoc: do you think i will need 256 on the 6200 or just 128?

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Dagmar:

Paladine: You don't need -p at all

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Paladine:

k

[18:19:33]

Dagmar:

Paladine: ...and this is the problem of parroting commands. It's *painfully* obvious to me that "lirc_mceusb2.patch" should follow -i and not "-l"

[18:19:34]

Paladine:

it is still asking me which file i want to patch

[18:19:38]

kormoc:

nandy_, 128 would likely be perfectly fine

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Dagmar:

-i == input file for patchin' with

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Dagmar:

-l == USELESSNESS

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Dagmar:

Do what I said.

[18:20:22]

nandy_:

kormoc: time to spend some money!

[18:20:25]

Cardoe:

patch -l < lirc_mceusb2.patch

[18:20:25]

Paladine:

patch -i lirc_mceusb2.patch ?

[18:20:26]

nandy_:

=D

[18:20:33]

Dagmar:

Cd into the directory where the lirc_mcsusb2.c file lives, run the patch command there. Just `patch -i /path/to/patchfile.patch`

[18:20:42]

Cardoe:

patch -l -i lirc_mceusb2.patch

[18:20:42]

Paladine:

you are mistaking me for someone who knows what he is doing hehehe

[18:20:48]

Cardoe:

why do you need a patch in the first place

[18:20:53]

Paladine:

ok

[18:20:58]

Dagmar:

Because of a knowbn bug

[18:21:03]

Cardoe:

what bug

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Paladine:

I need the patch to make my blaster work

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Paladine:

locate lirc_mcsusb2.c

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Paladine:

doh

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Dagmar:

Google the filename of the patch and the ONE link you get is a discussion about it from one of the devs

[18:21:59]

Cardoe:

they got the IR blaster on the mceusb2 USB device to work now?

[18:23:11]

Paladine:

k patched

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crayzee:

/usr/bin/ld: mythtv: hidden symbol `__fini_array_end' in mythtv is referenced by DSO <-- wtf does that mean?

[18:24:09]

antiPosix:

DSO is Dynamically Shared Object. that about as much info as I can give

[18:24:14]

crayzee:

/usr/bin/ld: BFD 2.16.91 20060118 Debian GNU/Linux assertion fail ../../bfd/elflink.c:6203

[18:24:23]

kormoc:

Cardoe, the other day, someone was saying that they were at least working on it

[18:24:29]

crayzee:

Have I got something missing that I need?

[18:24:47]

antiPosix:

sounds like you have a mismatch on /lib or /usr/lib

[18:24:48]

Dagmar:

crayzee: It means your GL is borked because you're using an old DEbian

[18:25:04]

Dagmar:

crayzee: hunt down your *second* copy of GL and kill it

[18:25:09]

Paladine:

I need to sudo ./setup.sh?

[18:25:20]

Paladine:

./configure: line 651: ./config.log: Permission denied

[18:25:20]

halcyon:

I don't think you need to sudo

[18:25:27]

halcyon:

what's the perms on .?

[18:25:27]

Juski:

who was saying the pvr350 is 'worth it' earlier? isn't someone forgetting the current state of pvr350 decoding in mythtv? :-P

[18:25:34]

crayzee:

Dagmar, thanks. I am using Ubuntu 6.06 practically clean.

[18:26:03]

Dagmar:

crayzee: Then check for a second libGL anyway. You have the nVidia driver, yes?

[18:26:05]

Paladine:

permissions are my user

[18:26:08]

Paladine:

paladine

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crayzee:

Dagmar, nope. i815

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halcyon:

for the whole directory? like, if you cd .. and then check perimissions on the directory

[18:26:37]

Cardoe:

kormoc: cool

[18:26:41]

crayzee:

Dagmar, how do I find this extra gl? Package manager?

[18:27:04]

Dagmar:

crayzee: okay, that's a new one on me. The last person here with that error was using an old Debian. he had two copies of libGL in, and ... I'm just going to leave it at that

[18:27:12]

Paladine:

yup paladine

[18:27:13]

Dagmar:

I'm tired to explaining about link order

[18:27:27]

Dagmar:

crayzee: There is a `find` command.

[18:27:28]

halcyon:

hmm, and it's set to rwx for your user?

[18:27:45]

Paladine:

yup

[18:27:50]

Dagmar:

He sudo'd it before, and config.log is owned by root as a result

[18:27:57]

halcyon:

ag

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Paladine:

drwxr-xr-x 8 paladine paladine 4096 2006-09–14 19:24 lirc-0.8.0

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halcyon:

err, ah

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antiPosix:

chown -R nobody.nobody /

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Dagmar:

lol

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halcyon:

hehe

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halcyon:

(p.s. don't do that)

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antiPosix:

what? isnt that what he needs to do?

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Paladine:

I had no intention of doing so :)

[18:28:33]

crayzee:

Dagmar, your help is appreciated. :) Im looking for a libgl.so right? so find /usr -iname "libgl.so*"

[18:28:48]

antiPosix:

chmod -R 666 /usr

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antiPosix:

would that be helpful?

[18:29:06]

antiPosix:

alright, I'm done having fun, nevermind my suggestions

[18:29:08]

Paladine:

ooo I do have some root stuff in thereI will chown it from my home dir

[18:29:18]

Dagmar:

crayzee: Something more like `find /usr -type f -name "libGL*.so*" -exec ls -al {} ;`

[18:29:22]

halcyon:

yeah, listen to Dagmar :D

[18:29:38]

Dagmar:

Capitalization is kinda important to filenames.

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Paladine:

k working now

[18:30:48]

antiPosix:

manifying sounds wrong, cpan installs should change the wording

[18:31:10]

Dagmar:

makemanifyalienpods

[18:31:34]

antiPosix:

speaking of aliens, anyone have one of those expensive alienware PC's?

[18:31:42]

Paladine:

sudo make install though right?

[18:31:46]

crayzee:

Dagmar, the only libGL I have is /usr/lib/libGL.so.1.2, however I have a /usr/lib/libGLU.so.1.3.060401 ? Is that possibly it? Or /usr/lib/libGLEW.so.1.3.1

[18:31:47]

Dagmar:

Please speak up so we may laugh at you all at once.

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halcyon:

I have a $15 case, so no antiPosix :D

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Dagmar:

crayzee: no, those are supposd to be there

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Dagmar:

crayzee: About all I can suggest to you is find two things

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Dagmar:

A large, blunt object being one.

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Dagmar:

The person who built your binary for mythtv being the other.

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Paladine:

k make'd amd make'd install'd

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Paladine:

:)

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halcyon:

nice

[18:32:47]

antiPosix:

and a large jar of peanut butter!

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crayzee:

Dagmar, very funny. Its an error I get trying to compile it. :)

[18:33:15]

antiPosix:

I'll bet you are missing a library

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Dagmar:

I actually had to work at it to figure out how to spend so much money as what that quad SLI machine they sold when Dell bought them was

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antiPosix:

depmod -ae and se what it says

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antiPosix:

err.

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antiPosix:

sorry, not depmod

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Dagmar:

crayzee: Hm... interesting. What did'ja pass it as configure arguments?

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Juski:

people who own alienware PCs... reminds me of an age-old saying about fools & their money

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** antiPosix scratches head trying to remember ldconfig stuff **

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Paladine:

k lirc appears to be working

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crayzee:

Dagmar: '' :)

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halcyon:

and all this because of a conctraction :D

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antiPosix:

just type: ldconfig and see if you have any oddities like smybolic links that arnt supposed to be there

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crayzee:

antiPosix, nope. Nothing.

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Dagmar:

crayzee: Do you have a package named 'glut'?

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Dagmar:

I did a bit more poking around. Looks like that one might need to be temporarily removed, or checked for a newer version

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antiPosix:

crayzee: try a make clean && make

[18:36:30]

Dagmar:

crayzee: You also might want to hassle people in #Ubuntu. They might know something about the issue there

[18:36:36]

crayzee:

Dagmar, I have freeglut (which is installed, but -dev isnt – install it?) and glutg3 (which is not installed, neither is -dev)

[18:36:50]

antiPosix:

I use Ubuntu(I have no good reason for it either :( )

[18:36:56]

Dagmar:

Most of the Google entries I find about that relate to glut

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antiPosix:

crayzee: what distro? the new 6.0.1?

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crayzee:

Dagmar, oh – and libglut3 [-dev]

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crayzee:

6.06 I think.

[18:37:24]

Dagmar:

Drop libglut3

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antiPosix:

I use Dapper

[18:37:40]

Dagmar:

Hopefully that's not their umbrella package for Mesa

[18:37:40]

antiPosix:

I had zero issues getting mythtv to build on it

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Paladine:

ok so what do I do now, i get output from irw

[18:37:48]

antiPosix:

MesaGL

[18:38:09]

Dagmar:

http://www.usenetlinux.com/archive/topic.php/t-530035.html

[18:38:20]

antiPosix:

open up synaptic and search for GL

[18:38:35]

mythic:

Hi, I tried to upgrade from v 19 to v 20 recently on an athalon 64 dual core. Now I get 'Illegal instruction' for mythfilldatabase mythtv-setup, and the system errors on transcoding and comercial flagging. Anyone have any ideas?

[18:38:39]

** antiPosix cant believe he just suggested a package manager **

[18:38:49]

Dagmar:

Am I possibly the only person who replaces the fonts MythTV uses?

[18:39:06]

antiPosix:

I changed mine to Sans and then back to the default

[18:39:12]

Paladine:

do I have to me in mythtv for the remote to work?

[18:39:20]

Paladine:

s/me/be

[18:39:30]

Dagmar:

Paladine: Umm... That question scares me

[18:39:36]

stuarta:

Dagmar: at a guess. yes....

[18:39:37]

Paladine:

well I am in tvtime atm

[18:39:39]

antiPosix:

how come I cant see the entire program discription when I press "I". Even with the font as small as it can go it seem to have no effect on the OSD

[18:39:41]

Dagmar:

What do you expect it to do when you push the buttons

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Dagmar:

Paladine: You'll need to read all the lIRC docs to understand why, but now

[18:39:58]

Paladine:

well I was hoping to change the channel on the stb

[18:39:58]

Dagmar:

s/now/no.

[18:40:02]

Dagmar:

It won't work with TVTime

[18:40:08]

Dagmar:

Not the way you have it configured

[18:40:26]

antiPosix:

I get stuff like this: "Family Guy – Peter and Brian go to the Drunken Clam..."

[18:40:41]

antiPosix:

actually its more like "Family Guy – Peter..."

[18:40:52]

Paladine:

whats the command to start the frontend again? mythtvfrontend?

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jams:

antiPosix- you can edit the osd xml, and give the container more space

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crayzee:

Paladine, mythfrontend

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antiPosix:

jams: thanks

[18:41:10]

Dagmar:

Paladine: myth<tab><tab>

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jams:

it might overrun the graphics though

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crayzee:

Dagmar, haha

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antiPosix:

mythf<tab><tab>

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crayzee:

OK Ill try again tomorrow

[18:41:31]

crayzee:

night all

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Paladine:

k am in mythtv but the remote is still not doing anything

[18:42:10]

Dagmar:

EVERYONE needs to be made aware of what tabbin does in bash

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Dagmar:

Paladine: Did you perhaps forget to configure it

[18:42:33]

Dagmar:

You need to supply two more files to the pile.

[18:42:35]

Paladine:

the remote?

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Paladine:

I tried to but it didn't do anything, no 2 flashes or 4 flashes

[18:42:56]

Dagmar:

One tells lirc how to understand what the remote says. The other tells lirc what it's supposed to say to mythtv when you push buttons.

[18:43:06]

Dagmar:

This is in the docs

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opello:

GreyFoxx: those rm4100s seem to be going for a lot more than 0.99 now

[18:43:12]

Dagmar:

...which I'm pretty sure you're not reading

[18:43:21]

mkrufky:

mythf<tab> isnt enough.... that might still be mythfilldatabase.... mythfr<tab> is good

[18:43:40]

Dagmar:

mkrufky: Yeah, but just myth* is a pretty short list for the usual $PATH

[18:43:45]

mkrufky:

true

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Paladine:

I have about 3 different sets of docs open

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Paladine:

and I haven't slept in 2days

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Paladine:

so forgive me if I am being clueless

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Dagmar:

Dude. Sleep

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kormoc:

but I just renamed everything in /bin/* to /bin/myth* !

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mythic:

Hi, I tried to upgrade from v 19 to v 20 recently on an athalon 64 dual core. Now I get 'Illegal instruction' for mythfilldatabase mythtv-setup, and the system errors on transcoding and comercial flagging. Anyone have any ideas?

[18:45:45]

hjohnson:

kormoc: oops

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halcyon:

sorry mythic, we didn't last time you asked :D

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mkrufky:

mythic: have you restarted your backend since the upgrade?

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kormoc:

mkrufky, that wouldnt' cause illegal instructions

[18:46:32]

mkrufky:

i had all sorts of wierd problems yesterday after my upgrade, including illegal instructions

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kormoc:

mythic, have you tried recompiling it?

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mythic:

mkrufky: yea. no luck.

[18:46:51]

mkrufky:

but after restarting the service, all works (on the backend)

[18:47:01]

mkrufky:

ok, i tried

[18:47:05]

kormoc:

mkrufky, ooh? that's really interesting and strange

[18:47:07]

mythic:

kormox: even svn'd to a new location and recompiled.

[18:47:19]

kormoc:

mythic, and it picked up your cpu and all that correctly?

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mkrufky:

kormoc: seems that the problem was in mythweb (for me) .....

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** kormoc blinks **

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mkrufky:

kormoc: mythweb was trying to use protocol 26 but the backend wanted to use 30

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kormoc:

that's not a illegal instruction...

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mythic:

kormoc: funny thing is i can run mythtv-setup from the directory it compiled in, but not from the path

[18:48:14]

mkrufky:

i'll read the logs and find out for sure, brb

[18:48:23]

kormoc:

mythic, you sure it's not in two places?

[18:48:36]

kormoc:

mythic, type which mythtv-setup and see if that's really the right place it should be

[18:48:40]

Dagmar:

I'm thikning about switching to using http://www.dafont.com/xenophone.font

[18:48:45]

mkrufky:

ok , sorry i was wrong

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bongalo:

I received a similar query insert error too after the upgrade

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** mkrufky shuts up now :-[ **

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mythic:

kormoc: /usr/local/bin/mythtv

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Paladine:

Dagmar, I know I am being a pain, but can you just give me a single example for using the channel selector, so I can the IR blaster is in the right place and then get some sleep?

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kormoc:

mkrufky, you see, illegal instructions is a cpu level error, and shouldn't ever get hit, if the code compiled correctly

[18:50:29]

mkrufky:

gotcha

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kormoc:

mythic, and when you make install, it shows installing into /usr/local/bin ?

[18:50:44]

mythic:

where can i look to see if the cpu detected properly?

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mkrufky:

i just incorrectly remembered the error message that i saw

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Dagmar:

Paladine: If you're watching TV, it's just a matter of pushing some numbers, man. You can run `irw mythtv` if you want to see it NOT working

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kormoc:

mythic, when you type ./configure, it should show the flags it's compiling with

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Dagmar:

No wait that's not the right binary... one sec

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Dagmar:

Sorry, ircat, not irw

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Paladine:

non of the buttons I am pressing are doing anything

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Dagmar:

You didn't put the runtime configuration files in place is why

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Dagmar:

They tell you how to do this and where to get them in the MythTV installation documentation, right on the mythtv wiki

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mythic:

okay, config show the cpu fine

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mythic:

and the install prefix is /usr/local/

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Paladine:

Dagmar, which howto, there are dozens of the things lol

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Paladine:

I was in the MCE Remote howto

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Dagmar:

Paladine: The mythTV installation howto

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Paladine:

I really am not trying to be a pain but there is nothing about lirc or using a remote in the Ubuntu Installation howto

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mythic:

well. thanks for the help guys. I'll figure something out.

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Dagmar:

Paladine: That's nice.

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Dagmar:

Perhaps you could try rereading the last three things I typed

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Paladine:

I have

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Paladine:

if you go to the howto section in the wiki there are howtos for a bunch of different distros

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Dagmar:

Then why are you looking at Ubuntu documentation>?

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Paladine:

if you go to the mythtv installation howto it tells you to go to your distro howto

[19:00:31]

Paladine:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Installing_Mythtv

[19:00:50]

Dagmar:

No... If you go to http://www.mythtv.org and click on "Documentation" on the left hand side you get to

[19:00:52]

Dagmar:

http://www.mythtv.org/modules.php?name=MythInstall

[19:01:08]

Dagmar:

...which has section 8: http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-8.html

[19:01:25]

Dagmar:

...which no one EVER fucking reads I swear.

[19:01:32]

Paladine:

ok I see it

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Dagmar:

So at least you're not alone

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Paladine:

I was in a different area of the wiki

[19:01:45]

Paladine:

I was in the howto section of the wiki

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Paladine:

which is what I thought you meant

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Paladine:

my apologies

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Dagmar:

de nada

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noday:

hey, i have a question about installing myth-0.20....do i delete the folders that have .19 in them?

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Dagmar:

find / -name "*.19*" -exec rm -rf {} ; <-- do not type this, no matter what

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xris:

noday: depends on which ones.

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lotia:

is --enable-proc-opt a risky configure option?

[19:06:44]

Dagmar:

Nope

[19:06:48]

kormoc:

not usually

[19:06:50]

Dagmar:

Unless you're on a 486

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noday:

well, when i first installed it, it seemed to install into folders (i think i untarred into my desktop first

[19:07:38]

noday:

this time i untarred from the terminal, and i did make and make install, but it doesnt seem to be opening myth-0.20

[19:07:51]

lotia:

also wondering why xvmc-opengl wasn't enabled, i didn't pass it the explicit disable flag? i have an nvidia card and am using a binary driver

[19:08:01]

kormoc:

noday, no ./configure?

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kormoc:

lotia, cause you didn't pass it the explicit enable flag?

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noday:

oh ya, i did that

[19:09:33]

noday:

i followed the directions in the mythtv wiki

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Dagmar:

You know...

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kormoc:

and the configure said?

[19:09:57]

Dagmar:

There's _some_ people who would consider it slightly important to actually read what comes up on the screen while ./configure is running.

[19:10:20]

Dagmar:

It tends to let you know little things like whether or not it's including support for your fuzzy sweater instead of the sound card.

[19:10:31]

noday:

im sorry, im a linux newb and just follow directoins

[19:10:34]

noday:

what should it have said?

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lotia:

kormoc: i passed it the explicit enable and still isn't enabled.

[19:10:45]

Dagmar:

It probably said "No I'm not including what you want"

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kormoc:

Dagmar, that's unheard of! Actually reading what the computer is attempting to tell you! That would destroy the internet as we know it!

[19:10:56]

kormoc:

lotia, and the configure said?

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lotia:

kormoc: XvMC OpenGL sup. no

[19:11:18]

Dagmar:

kormoc: I can't wait until we get internets 2.0 around here. I hear the tubes will work in both directions

[19:11:27]

kormoc:

lotia, and the configure.log said?

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noday:

oh that. i did read it, and it seemed to include support for everything i had (i got .19 running before)

[19:11:52]

Juski:

Dagmar: and don't forget those still on interweb 1.0 will be a lower class of person so they can safely be ignored

[19:11:55]

halcyon:

Dagmar, they're using tubes?!

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halcyon:

not trucks?

[19:12:18]

Dagmar:

Yes, tubes! Dozens and dozens of them. Senator Ted Stevens told congress all abou tit

[19:12:39]

lotia:

kormoc: do you mean config.log?

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lotia:

kormoc: it simply had the arguments passed to config in it

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Juski:

and the fatter the tubes coming into your house, the faster & betterer everything will be :)

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Dagmar:

Yech. Even I don't read THAT unless something crashed

[19:13:09]

noday:

so anyone have any ideas on how to get .20 to run instead of .19?

[19:13:18]

Dagmar:

Installing it?

[19:13:28]

noday:

make install? i did

[19:13:36]

Hoxzer_:

;EH

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kormoc:

lotia, and normally it also says what failed if you check the part that looked for the XvMC opengl stuff

[19:13:45]

Dagmar:

So how many copies of it do you have installed now?

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kormoc:

lotia, which then you can say, ooh, it's expecting X and so I'll setup the box to do X and then it's happy

[19:14:09]

noday:

well, 0.19 was there before, and i jsut installed .20

[19:14:11]

lotia:

kormoc: nothing else

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Dagmar:

noday: So, reboot

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kormoc:

lotia, well, go ahead and check what ./configure.sh is doing then

[19:14:43]

noday:

on snap.......i dont think i every rebooted.....wow im dumb

[19:14:52]

lotia:

kormoc: thanks

[19:15:04]

noday:

can i install all the plugins before i reboot? or should i reboot first?

[19:15:13]

Dagmar:

I used a slightly different chain of logic, but...

[19:15:30]

mkrufky:

does anybody in here use cx88-blackbird cards with mythtv?

[19:15:44]

mkrufky:

if so, are you using the v4l2 mpeg api, or are you using the cx88-ivtv emulation layer?

[19:15:47]

Dagmar:

You don't need to reboot, but you do need to stop the backend and the frontend and start them up again

[19:16:06]

Dagmar:

i would have thought "stop the old program" then "start the new program" would have been pretty obvious

[19:16:53]

noday:

well i had stopped the backend, but forgot to reboot

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halcyon:

...

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Juski:

mkrufky: good question. I doubt anyone here is. I tried it once but never got audio capture to work

[19:17:09]

Dagmar:

You don't actually need to reboot

[19:17:21]

halcyon:

only need for a reboot is, like, a new linux kernel

[19:17:29]

mkrufky:

Juski: to fix audio on a blackbird card, it a 1-line patch to cx88-tvaudio.c .... which blackbird card did you use?

[19:17:34]

Dagmar:

..and there's ways around that, if you're a masochist

[19:17:41]

Dagmar:

kexec == not fun

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kormoc:

kexec for the win!

[19:18:00]

Juski:

mkrufky: leadtek pvr2000... I _think_ that's a blackbird card

[19:18:15]

mkrufky:

yes, it is

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** mkrufky checking the code **

[19:18:32]

Juski:

it defintely worked on the mpeg video encoder side anyway.. verified that by looking for lag ;-)

[19:18:44]

noday:

wait then....so maybe it didnt end up installing. because i DID stop the backend and restart, and it didnt update to the newer version

[19:19:45]

mkrufky:

Juski: huh? i thought u said audio didnt work?

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Juski:

mkrufky: ok then it definitely worked but only the video part of it... there was an audio stream but with nothing in it ;)

[19:21:03]

mkrufky:

ah

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mkrufky:

ok, i can fix that

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mkrufky:

Juski: would you be willing to test a kernel patch?

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stuarta:

mkrufky: I use cx88_blackbird

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Juski:

mkrufky: bit busy right now, and the card is in the wrong box

[19:23:48]

mkrufky:

great... he uses it but he's gone before i can ask the question

[19:24:03]

mkrufky:

Juski: that's fine .... can you test sometime within the next week or two?

[19:24:07]

Juski:

mkrufky: he'll be back. you're one of the v4l devs aren't you?

[19:24:14]

mkrufky:

yes

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mkrufky:

thing is, i see CX88_BOARD_LEADTEK_PVR2000 needs this patch

[19:24:45]

mkrufky:

i dont know what card stuarta has

[19:24:55]

mkrufky:

but i wont push the patch into mainline without testing first

[19:24:56]

Juski:

I'll try to get it tested for you as soon as I can. getting cx88_mpeg off the starting blocks will completely widen the field for mpeg capture in Linux

[19:25:12]

mkrufky:

heh

[19:25:12]

mkrufky:

ok

[19:25:27]

mkrufky:

which kernel do you run? or can i just give you a patch against v4l-dvb.hg tip?

[19:25:59]

Juski:

erm... I dunno actually. my main box is 2.6.12 I think but my test box is an ubuntu dapper thing

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mkrufky:

brb

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stuarta:

damn arse shitty broadband...

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stuarta:

mkrufky: I use cx88_blackbird

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mkrufky:

stuarta: which card is it?

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stuarta:

kworld dvb-t

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mkrufky:

then it is not cx88-blackbird

[19:28:08]

mkrufky:

thanks, snyway

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stuarta:

well it loads the module...

[19:28:19]

mkrufky:

cx88-blackbird is analog mpeg encoder

[19:28:43]

mkrufky:

sure, it loads the module because the module autoloader sees a 8802 port (cx88 mpeg port)

[19:28:53]

mkrufky:

but that port is being used for DVB-T, via cx88-dvb module

[19:28:59]

mkrufky:

the reason why i ask:

[19:29:19]

mkrufky:

we have a cx88-ivtv emulation module that allows cx88-blackbird devices to be accessable under mythtv via ivtv ioctls

[19:29:20]

mkrufky:

but

[19:29:35]

mkrufky:

the ivtv API itself is being replaced by the new v4l2 mpeg encoding api

[19:29:44]

mkrufky:

which mythtv 0.20 supports, afaik

[19:29:57]

Juski:

mkrufky: are any of the plutohome guys available for comment?

[19:30:09]

mkrufky:

i just want to know if a blackbird card will work as an mpeg encoder in mythtv without the emulation layer

[19:30:22]

mkrufky:

Juski: the only one that ive ever met is Jelle

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mkrufky:

and he is EXTREMELY hard to get in touch with

[19:30:57]

Juski:

mkrufky: ivtv 7.x is using the new v4l2 mpeg api yes? if so then AFAIK 0.20 should be ok with it

[19:31:06]

mkrufky:

Juski: for the test on your box, it will require that you install v4l-dvb from hg .... is that ok?

[19:31:16]

janneg:

no, 0.8 will support it

[19:31:21]

mkrufky:

Juski: no — only 0.8.X and later uses it

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stuarta:

it's not used for the analog input that's present on the board?

[19:31:38]

Juski:

mkrufky: probably. might be a good chance to see how well my dvb tuner copes with newer modules too ;)

[19:31:42]

mkrufky:

stuarta: the only card that supports BOTH dvb and analog mpeg encoding is the hvr1300

[19:31:53]

mkrufky:

we are discussing upstream merge plans for that right now

[19:32:10]

stuarta:

i wouldn't be surprised if they are mutually exclusive on this card...

[19:32:12]

mkrufky:

stuarta: your card has DVB input, and raw video input... no mpeg encoder

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mkrufky:

Juski: ok great! .... i'll push up a patch for testing and give you the url in a bit .... got to fix something here in the office first

[19:33:00]

Juski:

hokees

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Juski:

I should be okay just building the modules on ubuntu shouldn't I? I mean I shouldn't necessarily have to build a whole kernel.. or will I ?

[19:34:31]

mkrufky:

not neccessary

[19:34:37]

mkrufky:

you will need the following packages:

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Juski:

build-essential, and kernel headers & stuff...

[19:34:56]

mkrufky:

mercurial, build-essential, linux-headers-`uname -r`

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mkrufky:

yup

[19:35:39]

lotia:

if i have enough cpu power non XvMC accelerated OpenGL should work fine right? and not using XvMC gets me colored menus and PinP?

[19:35:44]

Juski:

I need to swap PSUs shortly anyway – I can swap the pvr2000 into the other box when I do that

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mkrufky:

ah, ok

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halcyon:

lotia: sorry I haven't been following, what's the CPU?

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lotia:

p4 3.2ghz?

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halcyon:

that should be plenty for non XvMC

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Juski:

ooo this 5 minute video is almost done. just need to change the music

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halcyon:

what vid card?

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lotia:

halcyon: nvidia geforce 6600 256MB

[19:43:15]

halcyon:

oh yeah plenty

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halcyon:

I sort of look at XvMC to use for HD on marginal systems, or SD on slower systems

[19:45:52]

SlicerDicer-:

halcyon: mx440 + 1.4ghz AMD Thunderbird with HD Capable FTW!! ;-)

[19:45:54]

janneg:

mkrufky: no luck with hg tip and ivtv branch 0.8. note that the card works but I can't set more than one extended control at once

[19:46:20]

halcyon:

hehe nice :D I sort of wonder what HD I have around me.. though I don't think I can afford the card right now

[19:46:42]

SlicerDicer-:

halcyon: yeah that crappy mx440 runs it fine with agp 4 and 64mb of video ram

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halcyon:

I've got a MX4000, but just a SD tv... I've got a 19" LCD I could use, but that machine is a remote frontend over wireless :/

[19:50:00]

lotia:

anyone running gentoo here?

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Cardoe:

lotia: what's that?

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lotia:

wondering how to force use of qt3 since it seems to use stuff from qt4 atm on the compile

[19:51:05]

Cardoe:

lotia: what are you compiling?

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mkrufky:

janneg: doh!

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lotia:

Cardoe: mythtv

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Cardoe:

lotia: using... ebuilds or are you off the reservation?

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mkrufky:

janneg: have you spoken to hverkuil?

[19:51:42]

Cardoe:

off the reservation aka compiling on your own

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lotia:

Cardoe: off the reservation

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Cardoe:

lotia: good luck

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Cardoe:

:)

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mkrufky:

janneg: i apologize — you told me this from the beginning, but i didnt realize the problem was with using more than one extended control simultaneously

[19:52:06]

mkrufky:

(yes, you said so — i missed it)

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lotia:

Cardoe: :)

[19:52:23]

Cardoe:

I don't provide help for non-ebuild stuff

[19:52:31]

lotia:

Cardoe: fair enough.

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mkrufky:

janneg: we'll be much better off if you talk to hverkuil about it — he will be able to fix this in the svn repo

[19:52:38]

Cardoe:

since I write the ebuilds.

[19:52:50]

feld:

Cardoe: any known issues with .20 or the upgrade?

[19:52:52]

lotia:

Cardoe: are all the plugins in myth yet

[19:53:04]

lotia:

Cardoe: i mean in portage yet?

[19:53:19]

Cardoe:

yes

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Cardoe:

feld: yes

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Cardoe:

lotia: yes

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Cardoe:

feld: if you use --as-needed it won't compile for you

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Cardoe:

but that's with anyone

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Cardoe:

if you use gcc-4.2 it won't compile

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** lotia switches to using ebuilds then **

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feld:

ok im on 3.4.6 on my mythbox yet

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Cardoe:

if you use binutils-2.16.999999 or 2.17.snaps it won't compile

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feld:

well i mean how about a fully stable system EXCEPT mythtv

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Cardoe:

feld: then no

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feld:

would there be any issues

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Cardoe:

the ebuilds work

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Cardoe:

afaik

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feld:

it should be smooth, eh?

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