Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Tuesday, September 12th, 2006, 00:00 UTC

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D-side:

kormoc: no kidding

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RandomDude15:

but I havn't been able to get it working with linux.

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briand:

xris: thanks. :) ran the setup anyway, just to get a peek at the new stuff. :)

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rfergu:

Will it all jive with their comcast digital cable?

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briand:

xris: looking good so far... and I'm holding off a few on installing the new mythweb. :)

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kormoc:

RandomDude15, it's a peice of cake, just get the mce-usb2 kernel module built and inserted and use the lirc.conf that's on lirc's website and it works fine

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kormoc:

rfergu, the digital part (ondemand, etc) nope, regular stuff, aye

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xris:

briand: not a whole lot of changes in the new mythweb, other than code layout

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RandomDude15:

got a link to a guide on how to do it?

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kormoc:

RandomDude15, google might

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Anduin:

RandomDude15: Do you not have the right source id associated with the input?

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rfergu:

hmm can the ondemand still be piloted with their normal remote?

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D-side:

http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Setup_LIRC_for_MythTV

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D-side:

ignore the gentooey bits.

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D-side:

i'm only spoonfeeding because i was just looking at that myself. :)

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kormoc:

rfergu, yes, if you switch over the tv-input and all that jazz

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Anduin:

RandomDude15: also try running the backend with -v channel

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rfergu:

My only concern is the insane amount of work I will end up doing. They will make me price, build, install, maintain this

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rfergu:

Its going to be a lot of work looking up all the parts

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briand:

xris: no? I think I'll gain (at the very least) the fixes since 0.19 was released... including the three items I entered in trac last Feb.

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briand:

xris: i believe you fixed them all within the week.. but i didn't switch over to SVN, was waiting on the 0.19.1 release. ;) then, when I was ready to go to SVN, 0.20 was about to be released..

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xris:

heh

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briand:

anyways.. 0.20 is lookin' good here... thanks again, to all of you guys, for a great product. :) [I'm sure you can't hear that often enough]

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pushpop-:

Do you usually have to add the module in the kernel for a serial remote control

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braniff:

when i controlled my satellite box via serial cable, i did not need a kernel module...

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pushpop-:

ok

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RandomDude15:

hey new version of myth

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RandomDude15:

can i upgrade yet?

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RandomDude15:

im running kubuntu

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pushpop-:

braniff: still there?

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abarbaccia:

hello all – anybody know why i would be getting this error when compiling?? /usr/include/qt3/qgl.h:79:20 GL/gl.h: No such file or directory

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Leebier:

i am going to reformat my box before upgrading and was wondering what essential files i should backup? relatedly, where are the databases stored and is it reasonably easy to back them up and restor ethem?

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braniff:

yes

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pushpop-:

you know anything about lirc im having some troubles

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Anduin:

Leebier: You need your recordings directory and your DB (easy enough to backup)

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pushpop-:

im using a packard bell remote via serial

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Leebier:

is it possible to go in and choose which tables to back up in the DB? the recordings info is all a year old, i mostly just want the recording profiles and lists of already watched episodes

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braniff:

pushpop, hmm...you have a remote control that hooks to your computer via serial cable?

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pushpop-:

Yes

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Anduin:

Leebier: You can backup whatever you want, backing it all up is going to be much easier

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pushpop-:

I also dled the config for my remote from lirc.org and placed it in lircd.conf

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Leebier:

i guess if i was going to be smart about it, i could delete all the recordings via myth before backing up the DB :)

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pushpop-:

as per wiki I run irw and get connection refused..

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Anduin:

Leebier: Exactly

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braniff:

pushpop-, lircd might not be running

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Leebier:

not sure why i didn't do that a year ago

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pushpop-:

localhost / # /etc/init.d/lircd start

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pushpop-:

* WARNING: "lircd" has already been started.

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pushpop-:

localhost / #

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pushpop-:

sorry for 3 lines of spam

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Duk1:

dont do it again!! j.k. hehe

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pushpop-:

=)

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braniff:

pushpop-, is your lirc kernel module loaded? lsmod | grep lirc

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pushpop-:

hmm, just goes to the next line

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pushpop-:

so I'm guessing its not

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braniff:

right

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pushpop-:

im not so good with the kernel

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pushpop-:

what is it under

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braniff:

try # modprobe lirc_i2c

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pushpop-:

module not found

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pushpop-:

=D

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braniff:

must be called something else or not installed at all...

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Leebier:

um, i have 40GB of recordings not coming up on the list in myth

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pushpop-:

in init.d I have a lircmd .. I dont know what that is?

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Leebier:

oh, nevermind

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Leebier:

db is just taking a bit to update

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RaYmAn-Bx:

pushpop-: mouse emulation, i.e. remote control working as mouse

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Leebier:

i think

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braniff:

pushpop-, try # rpm -q lirc

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** pushpop- scratches head **

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braniff:

to see if you have it installed

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pushpop-:

command not found

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pushpop-:

running gentoo

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braniff:

ah

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RandomDude15:

OMFG

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RandomDude15:

I got the remote working.

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pushpop-:

lucky you

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pushpop-:

braniff: do i have to add a module in the kernel?

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** braniff does not know his own rear from a gentoo install... **

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braniff:

heh

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pushpop-:

=)

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RandomDude15:

It was one little thing.

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RandomDude15:

keeping me.

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RandomDude15:

from getting this thing working.

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pushpop-:

RaYmAn-Bx: I really dont know what you mean

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braniff:

something like # emerge lirc, (but don't quote me on that)

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human39:

Is there documentation on the perl bindings anywhere?

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pushpop-:

haha first thing I did of course

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RandomDude15:

if anyone is having the same problem as me ill tell you what the little thing that kept me back was

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RaYmAn-Bx:

pushpop-: you don't need it then

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RandomDude15:

It was hardware.conf

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RandomDude15:

i never mesed with it

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pushpop-:

RaYmAn: I am someone of a newb, only been using linux for a month or so, could you explain your self further?

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pushpop-:

somewhat*

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RandomDude15:

http://img48.imageshack.us/img48/1091/ssurprisevx5.jpg

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Leebier:

so what do i need to do to backup the database?

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braniff:

Leebier, mysqldump

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RaYmAn-Bx:

pushpop-: lircmd just allows you to use your remote as a mouse, i.e. controlling the mouse pointer on the screen. You don't have to worry about it until you actually have lirc working =P

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pushpop-:

haha IC

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pushpop-:

so what exactly do I do about that

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pushpop-:

randomdude15: tell me about this hardware.conf?

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pushpop-:

haha

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RandomDude15:

you gotta configure it

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RandomDude15:

oh yeah

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RandomDude15:

and i need it working in myth now

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pushpop-:

is there a how to that you used?

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pushpop-:

http://pastebin.ca/167438

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RandomDude15:

no.

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RandomDude15:

are you using the media center remote?

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pushpop-:

no a packard bell

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mchou:

haha!!

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pushpop-:

some cheap shit that I got for 5 bucks

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pushpop-:

but its compatible with mythtv

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RandomDude15:

did you compile drivers and stuff?

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RandomDude15:

with lirc stuff from their site?

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pushpop-:

i just configured the lircd.conf

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DIrEctQL:

hey, is anyone having problems using mythweb?

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RandomDude15:

no.

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DIrEctQL:

specifically can't watch any shows

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RandomDude15:

this is my hardware.conf

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RandomDude15:

file

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RandomDude15:

http://pastebin.ca/167462

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kormoc:

DIrEctQL, if they're larger then 2 gb, you might need to patch apache to handle them

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DIrEctQL:

after the upgrade to .20 it doesn't work

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fryfrog:

So what are some of the distros that have packages ready for .20 now?

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fryfrog:

Ubuntu and/or Debian yet?

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DIrEctQL:

kormoc: i don't think its apache, when i click on a link to the show nothing happens

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D-side:

inyourdreamsix

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kormoc:

DIrEctQL, and apache's logs say?

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DIrEctQL:

PHP Notice: Undefined index: error_email in /var/www/html/mythweb/includes/init.php on line 45, referer: http://192.168.1.10/mythweb/tv/recorded

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fryfrog:

D-side: none of them yet?

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braniff:

fedora does not have them yet

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xris:

DIrEctQL: a notice is not an error

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DIrEctQL:

yep

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DIrEctQL:

that's the only thing i see

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xris:

then something else is going on

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kormoc:

DIrEctQL, and did you edit the .htaccess to set that value?

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DIrEctQL:

yes

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DIrEctQL:

the page works

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xris:

kormoc: the >2G bug is fixed in .20, finally

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xris:

DIrEctQL: watch shows in mythweb? huh?

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xris:

you mean download?

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DIrEctQL:

i am using dsmyth to play the shows

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xris:

do you have perl installed on your box?

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Leebier:

is 4 MB a reasonable size for the sql dump (with no recordings)?

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Leebier:

i have an older dump on my drive that is on the order of 150 MB, so i wonder if i did something wrong

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xris:

Leebier: depends on the size of your listings and the recordedmarkup/recordedseek tables.

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xris:

yeah, 150M sounds more reasonable

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Leebier:

ahhh, yes, i think the listings may be empty right now too

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kormoc:

mine is around 150 mb or so

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Leebier:

tried to refresh them and ran across a problem, but the old ones were flushed

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Leebier:

would hte listings make up most of the db by size?

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xris:

Leebier: yes, they would

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Leebier:

that would explain the small size then :)

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Anduin:

Leebier: seektable listings, and people are the largest

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Leebier:

what's in the people DB? it doesn't ring a bell

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pushpop-:

RaYmAn you still around?

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kormoc:

Leebier, that should be a table, not a db, but isn't it the actors and similar?

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DIrEctQL:

xris, when i click on the link to the show it refreshes the page, but nothing else happens; it should lunch dsmyth, but it doesn't

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Leebier:

yes, table, i meant that, just not thinking

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Anduin:

Leebier: people is people

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kormoc:

maybe the perl downloader is busted

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xris:

DIrEctQL: try from a non-windows box?

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Leebier:

ahhh, didn't realize myth keeps track of actors and suc

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Leebier:

h

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xris:

maybe something in the new download code doesn't work properly with dsmyth

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xris:

and you never answered my question. do you have perl installed?

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DIrEctQL:

on server or client?

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kormoc:

server

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DIrEctQL:

yes

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DIrEctQL:

but i just noticed another thing

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DIrEctQL:

in the html code of mythweb

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DIrEctQL:

<a href="" name="7"><img id="/external/record/1060_20060910040000.mpg" src="/mythweb/data

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DIrEctQL:

href=""?

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kormoc:

that would say it's a link to nowhere

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DIrEctQL:

yep

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fatbrain:

Hello, I just have to make sure, 0.22 supports mysql5.0.x right?

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DIrEctQL:

maybe it's a bug

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DIrEctQL:

or a feature

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DIrEctQL:

heh

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GreyFoxx:

fatbrain: yes

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kormoc:

fatbrain, sure, when 0.22 comes out, in a few months to a year or so

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DIrEctQL:

i'll grab a copy of .19 mythweb and see what it should be

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xris:

DIrEctQL: check the settings in mythweb to make sure your videourl stuff is set up properly

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fatbrain:

kormoc: ?

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kormoc:

fatbrain, myth 0.20 was released the other day, not 0.22

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xris:

fatbrain: .22 is like 2 years out.

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fatbrain:

ah, sorry, meant 0.20

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xris:

fatbrain: yes, it does

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fatbrain:

thouchÃ©, kormoc vs fatbrain, 1–0.

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DIrEctQL:

xris: any clue where those settings are?

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fatbrain:

xris: thanks

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kormoc:

heh, no worrys

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kormoc:

DIrEctQL, .htaccess

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xris:

DIrEctQL: settings -> mythweb settings

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xris:

in mythwe

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xris:

mythweb

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pushpop-:

dwouis there a command that you could run to see if you have a serial driver installed?

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xris:

!trout new-mythweb kormoc

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** MythLogBot slaps new-mythweb with a kormoc trout on behalf of xris... **

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xris:

!trout kormoc new-mythweb

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** MythLogBot slaps kormoc with a new-mythweb trout on behalf of xris... **

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xris:

and he's not even at his desk to see....

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DIrEctQL:

it's blank

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xris:

DIrEctQL: odd

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DIrEctQL:

hmm, perhaps i should restart the machine

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DIrEctQL:

maybe some vars aren't set

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xris:

it's supposed to be reasonably automated to pull that info in.

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xris:

should never be blank, though

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DIrEctQL:

ehh

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DIrEctQL:

last few upgrades it left my server broken

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xris:

DIrEctQL: the really weird thing is that the video url is supposed to auto-detect windows machines

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xris:

DIrEctQL: blank value SHOULD be fine.

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DIrEctQL:

lol, another weird thing is that my server is not coming back up, brb, need to check whats gong on

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xris:

maybe I missed something in the code for the myth:// stuff

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DIrEctQL:

ok

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DIrEctQL:

never mind

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DIrEctQL:

it's back

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DIrEctQL:

xris: so where is this piece of code?

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fatbrain:

How can I list all my video/audio cards? do I simple ls /dev/xxx something?

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fatbrain:

or... hm

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fatbrain:

lsmod?

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xris:

lspci

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fatbrain:

err, I'll figure it out... cheer ^^

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fatbrain:

thanks

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Krazylegz:

lspci

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Krazylegz:

Heh.

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fatbrain:

another nag, Do any of you know if SAA713x cards are supported? (Multimedia controller: Philips Semiconductors SAA7130 Video Broadcast Decoder) </nag>

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kormoc:

google knows

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DIrEctQL:

fatbrain: isn't that cx88 driver

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fatbrain:

DIrEctQL: Good question, you tell me ;P

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fatbrain:

Can I somehow look that up on my system?

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Dagmar:

Doesn't matter. Enable all the modules under the Encoders and Decoders section of the kernel config.

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Dagmar:

The kernel will sort out which ones you actually need when the system boots.

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fatbrain:

Dagmar: hm, ok

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Leebier:

ok, for my backup, i have my mythconverg, lircrc, lircd.conf, modprobe.conf, and xorg.conf (am using PVR-350), is there anything else that would be particularly useful to have once i've reformatted?

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DIrEctQL:

xris: I see there is a bad link in /var/www/html/mythweb/data

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fatbrain:

Dagmar: Where do I do that? (if you dont mind me asking)

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DIrEctQL:

xris: recordings -> /record

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fatbrain:

<- nublet

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DIrEctQL:

any idea where it should point to?

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xris:

DIrEctQL: delete it, it should recreate based on db settings. or fix it yourself and it'll stay

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DIrEctQL:

yep, that was recreated

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DIrEctQL:

xris, can you do me a favor? copy paste the URL mythweb is showing you?

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DIrEctQL:

for a show

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simcop2387:

hrm no luck with mytharchive yet, seems to be a problem with dvdauthor at the moment...

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DIrEctQL:

xris: mythweb/includes/utils.php:326

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DIrEctQL:

that looks like the code

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DIrEctQL:

i commented out the global override, and it still does the same thing

[01:31:16]

DIrEctQL:

seems like the autodetect feature is not quite working

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xris:

DIrEctQL: put in a ticket, I'll try to take a look at it tonight.

[01:33:10]

DIrEctQL:

how do I do that?

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kormoc:

http://svn.mythtv.org

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DIrEctQL:

sorry, i'm a developper, but i know nothing about mythtv

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kormoc:

and click on new ticket

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DIrEctQL:

thanks

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Cardoe:

ok... Gentoo ebuild will officially be...

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Cardoe:

mythtv-0.20_p11154.ebuild

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DIrEctQL:

hmmm

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DIrEctQL:

can't submit a ticket

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DIrEctQL:

quoting spam

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DIrEctQL:

Akismet rejected spam

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xris:

nice. stupid anti-spam plugin

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DIrEctQL:

any tips how to avoid it?

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Cardoe:

isn't akismet for only wordpress?

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xris:

no clue

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xris:

DIrEctQL: maybe put in more content?

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DIrEctQL:

I put in tons

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xris:

less, then? heh

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xris:

sorry, I really don't know how to get around it.

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xris:

I mentioned it to isaac, though.

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DIrEctQL:

lol

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DIrEctQL:

looking at other tickets

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xris:

could put it into pastebin.ca and link that to the ticket. heh.

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DIrEctQL:

nah

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DIrEctQL:

got it

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DIrEctQL:

looks like it didn't like the HTML snipet i put in

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xris:

put {{{ }}} around it

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xris:

that's good for formatting, anyway

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xris:

(separate line, ala trac wiki formatting suggests)

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DIrEctQL:

2367 is the ricket number

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DIrEctQL:

can anyone show me what that myth:// link should be?

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DIrEctQL:

or guy guys don't really have windows

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DIrEctQL:

lol

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xris:

there's a sample on the settings page

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** kormoc blinks **

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DIrEctQL:

it doesn't seem complete

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kormoc:

guy guys?

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DIrEctQL:

lol, any guys

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DIrEctQL:

heh

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DIrEctQL:

sorry

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xris:

it's a URI, not a URL.. should just map to server and port.

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xris:

myth should fill in the rest.

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DIrEctQL:

it doesn't

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xris:

assuming that dsmyth understands the direct-communication form of the URI

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kormoc:

dsmyth wouldn't, as dsmyth is just direct-show filters, no?

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Anduin:

dsmyth understands myth://

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DIrEctQL:

yep

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DIrEctQL:

i think it's more like mythweb doesn't give dsmyth what it needs

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DIrEctQL:

mythtv .19 worked fine

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DIrEctQL:

unless something was changed

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DIrEctQL:

i don't see why dsmyth would be at fault

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xris:

more like mythweb isn't printing ANY data.

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xris:

I'll try to look into it tonight.

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DIrEctQL:

thanks for help guys

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DIrEctQL:

adios

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pushpop:

anyone here using a serial remote?

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rtsai:

anyone have a working make_atsc_chanconf.pl from dvb-apps? My version (breezy) seems not to be working, like antennaweb.org changed some output format or something

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pushpop:

I want to scream

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regicide666:

http://pastebin.ca/167532 that is the make_atsc_chanconf.pl I have

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pipedream:

Anyone: Lirc error....lirc_i2c: no version for "lirc_unregister_plugin" found: kerne l tainted.

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Anduin:

pipedream: not an error

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pushpop:

localhost ~ # irw

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pushpop:

connect: Connection refused

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pushpop:

= /

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pipedream:

Okay, so that is a good thing, no error, I am using the remote that plugs into the back of the PVR-150.

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pipedream:

I get the hex stuff when pressing keys, but nothing in MythTV.......Puzzled...

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Anduin:

pipedream: which lircrc file are you using?

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Anduin:

pipedream: once you see output in irw it is just a config issue

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pipedream:

Anduin: I am using the one I got from here... wget http://s91928265.onlinehome.us/hfamily/mythtv . . . pgrey-g3.txt

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Anduin:

pipedream: and you have that file where?

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Anduin:

pipedream: Did you compiler myth yourself?

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pipedream:

ln -s /etc/lircrchaupgreyg3.txt .lircrc

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pipedream:

what the instructions said...

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pipedream:

no, did not compile myth got from .deb

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Anduin:

pipedream: Yeah that is bad, you want to put that file in ~/.mythtv/lircrc

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pipedream:

Anduin: Okay, the guide I was following pointed me to continue as follows: cd .mythtv

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pipedream:

ln -s ../.lircrc lircrc

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Anduin:

pipedream: Yeah, if you have them symlinked that is fine

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pipedream:

okay, that is what I have. I know lirc is started.

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Anduin:

pipedream: and the bittons match /etc/lircd.conf names?

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pipedream:

lirc_i2c: chip found @ 0x71 (Hauppauge IR (PVR150))

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pipedream:

Anduin: let me confirm that they do

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Anduin:

pipedream: Yeah, if irw is giving output you are most of the way there

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Anduin:

pipedream: Also confirm you have lirc support compiled in (mythfrontend --version)

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pipedream:

Anduin: how do I confirm that?

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Anduin:

pipedream: Run mythfrontend --version, the output will be obvious

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pipedream:

the lircd.conf name seem fine

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pipedream:

okay, I'll look at my frontend.log file

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Anduin:

pipedream: No you need to use --version (it will print to the screen)

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ghotiboy1:

hello...canyou set the runtime prefix on the command line for mythfrontend?

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ghotiboy1:

i'm trying not to be a dumbass...DAMMIT!

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pipedream:

mythtv: could not open config file /home/mythtv/.mythtv/lircrc

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Anduin:

pipedream: perms?

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pipedream:

Failed to read lirc config /home/mythtv/.mythtv/lircrc for mythtv

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pipedream:

Anduin: You saying mythtv doesn't have the proper permission?

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Anduin:

ghotiboy1: environment variables MYTHTVDIR and MYTHCONFDIR

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Anduin:

pipedream: Yeah that is what I'd look at

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ghotiboy1:

Anduin: so would i set MYTHTVDIR to /usr?

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ghotiboy1:

or wherever it lies

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Anduin:

ghotiboy1: Yes, or recompile with the right prefix

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ghotiboy1:

rock rock...cant recompile since it is Xebian and a PITA to do

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pipedream:

Anduin: I don't have a folder named /home/mythtv/.mythtv/ is that a hidden or system folder when it starts with "."?

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Anduin:

pipedream: No, just "hidden", you should have it, you said you made the symlink (ls -a)

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pipedream:

Anduin: Yes I do have it, it was hidden, but has not lircrc file I will copy one there!

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ghostdog:

getting some bad recepcion from local channels on cabletv

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ghostdog:

I have been playing with the frecuencies but it looks just as bad

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jstew:

Hi. .20 is great excpet for 2 minor issues on my system.

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jstew:

Mythdvd opens the root of the DVD instead of the familiar menu.

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regicide666:

In myth archive if I go to exit whil it is working on creating a dvd does it keep working in the background?

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jstew:

I have to escape out to get to the main menu

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regicide666:

the main dvd menu as the one on the disc?

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jstew:

And my other issue, XvMC was working in 0.19, now when i play back with xvmc, My CPU is at 100%, making me suspect it's not XvMC at all.

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regicide666:

I upgraded my mythbox so I would not need XvMC anymore

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jstew:

the root folder with video_ts and audio_ts. The folder opens in image gallery WTF?

[02:56:14]

GreyFoxx:

Go back in and double check thedecoder being used. I think XvMC is just an option like libmpeg2 now and not a seperate option

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Anduin:

jstew: it starts with the first play pgc

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Anduin:

jstew: You can hit m and select to jump to the menu

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regicide666:

yea thats what i did

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regicide666:

I like the new DVD player

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jstew:

Hmm... settings->tv playback is set ot standard xvmc

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jstew:

I like the opengl painter :)

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regicide666:

I am digging the hole thing

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regicide666:

I am glad I did not wait for ebuilds

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jstew:

I like to build form source anyway

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jstew:

from*

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Cardoe:

there's ebuilds there anyway

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regicide666:

for what

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jstew:

what do you think? lol

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hjohnson:

hmm.. GreyFoxx of Undernet?

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regicide666:

I did not see any for mytharchive where I looked

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Cardoe:

wow..

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jstew:

So how would I verify that XvMC is really being used?

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Cardoe:

anyway

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Cardoe:

I'm off to bed.

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jstew:

Gnight.

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jstew:

thanks for the ebuilds

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Anduin:

jstew: frontend logs

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GreyFoxx:

hjohnson: EfNet

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hjohnson:

jstew: check your CPU usage.

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hjohnson:

GreyFoxx: ahh.. I know another Greyfox.

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hjohnson:

that's why i was wondering. :P

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jstew:

well hjohnson, that's what raised the red flag. That and the fropped frames

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jstew:

s/f/d

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hjohnson:

heh

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** hjohnson keeps an eye out for a system that can be made silent **

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jstew:

XvMC OpenGL sup. no

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jstew:

XvMC libs -lXvMCW

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jstew:

thats what I have...

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GreyFoxx:

hjohnson: I don't think I've been on Undernetfor around8 years

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jstew:

Whats XvMCW? I swear that it used the nvidia lib before

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feld:

hjohnson: those via ones are nearly silent. only fan is the power supply i think

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jstew:

Uhh... never mind. It was XvMCW

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hjohnson:

GreyFoxx: yeah, probably someone else

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hjohnson:

feld: yeah, but not enough CPU juice for HD content

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jstew:

The frontend appears to be trying to use several xvmc ports

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jstew:

Then after that I get VideoOutputXv. should that be VideoOutputXvMC is it's using XvMC?

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radi0head:

Is the new NVIDIA DualTV MCE & the version with the remote works with MythTV ?

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Anduin:

jstew: Hard to say, try -v playback (XvMC support is in the same path with normal Xv)

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jstew:

Hmmm I dont have an /etc/X11/XvMCConfig.... WTF?

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jstew:

theres the problem

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jstew:

I had that before I upgraded X. It mustve been blown away

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jstew:

now I'm rocking steady at 55%

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jstew:

cool

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jstew:

yay

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jstew:

I have HD playback

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radi0head:

Okay, I found out that the cards doesn't work in linux.

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radi0head:

s/doesn't/don't

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Leebier:

am i dumb or is there no RSS for mythtv.org?

[03:31:04]

jstew:

how does UseXvMCForHDOnly work? do I have to have XvMC set up for my decoder, or do I just use libmpeg2 and myth will select xvmc decoder with that setting?

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Anduin:

Leebier: There isn't much going on there to throw at RSS

[03:31:51]

Leebier:

yes and no

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Leebier:

the low frequency is the exact reason i'd like an RSS feed

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jstew:

Bob still makes myth stutter with XvMC though... One Field works perfect, but not as pretty as bob

[03:32:16]

Leebier:

i don't tend to check out much myth stuff when everything is working fine on my box

[03:32:24]

Leebier:

and have missed releases as a result

[03:32:57]

Leebier:

or is there a milestone release mailing list?

[03:33:05]

feld:

hey who was i talking to the other day about my mythtv going whacko

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jstew:

Sweet. One of my locals broadcasts the tube as a subchannel.

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Anduin:

Leebier: Yeah there isn't an announce list

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feld:

well whoever it was, here's my conclusion: dont even attempt to overlock cpu or ram. i had just done ram, and system was stable, but mythtv was not. so dont do it. the end.

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Leebier:

so with no RSS, no annouce list, how do the casual mythers keep up with the big news? :)

[03:34:32]

jstew:

lol feld. lesson learned huh?

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Anduin:

Leebier: Occasionally checking.

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Leebier:

that answer is so 2003 :)

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jstew:

Or this channel occasionally leebier

[03:37:08]

jstew:

I wouldnt mind a rss feed.

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jstew:

It would be cool to get a feed off the trac somehow

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Leebier:

alright, i'm about to reformat, i've backed up my db, copies of lircrc and lircd, modprobe and xorg, plus mythweb's conf.php, anything else screaming to be backed up?

[03:41:05]

Anduin:

seems mediawiki can RSS some special pages

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jstew:

Back up all of /etc. Nothing to lose, security to gain

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jstew:

and all of the dotfiles in your homes

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garrick:

anyone heard of a problem with no sound from the internal DVD player? live/recorded TV on PVR350 is fine, mythmusic is fine, xine/mplayer are fine... just a problem with the internal DVD player

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Beirdo:

getting a feed off trac is dead easy, Leebier

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Leebier:

hey there beirdo. any way to get updates on only milestone releases?

[03:50:52]

Beirdo:

the timeline page will generate an RSS feed

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Beirdo:

hmmm, that might be trickier, you'd have to see the options on the timeline page

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Beirdo:

if you can get it to display in a web browser, you should be able to get a feed

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Leebier:

looks like you can display it

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Leebier:

we'll see what happens when i add the feed using google's toolbar

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Beirdo:

cool, there should be an RSS button on there :)

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Leebier:

yeah, just noticed that

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Leebier:

but google parsed it correctly

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Beirdo:

I read the rssfeeds of my own trac stuff all the time

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Beirdo:

<Bot> [misc] at 22:37 11 Sep 2006 -0400 (AST) "Changeset [154]: Renamed as the scraping is specific to the Senators page"

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Beirdo:

<Bot> (http://trac.beirdo.ca/projects/misc/changeset/154)

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Beirdo:

like that :)

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xrothgarx:

are there repositories for myth .20 yet? (looking for one for kubuntu)

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Beirdo:

likely not, it has been out less than 24h, no?

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xrothgarx:

ya, I am just hopeful

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xrothgarx:

I was thinking of building it myself anyway, but if that fails a backup would be nice

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Gumby:

does anyone here use mythweb? I thought it used to display your video directory also however I dont see it anymore... I could just have been smoking something

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Beirdo:

any Aussies in the house?

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Agrajag-:

yeah

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Beirdo:

just curious...

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Beirdo:

ABC RN lists the time for the Goon Show as 5:30am Friday

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Beirdo:

I am assuming that it's AEST, but with no DST... Are there parts that use DST and parts that don't?

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Agrajag-:

some parts of australia have dst before others

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Agrajag-:

tasmania starts this month i think, most others start at end of october

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

oh that will hurt my brain

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Beirdo:

I think I read somewhere that Queensland doesn't do DST, I'm hoping that's the times they are publishing :)

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Beirdo:

having a hard time finding on their site exactly where that time is for :)

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Agrajag-:

yeah that's right, qld doesn't do dst

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Beirdo:

Well, I guess I'll keep an eye on the recordings over the next month or so to see if I have to redo my scheduling

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Agrajag-:

i'd say it's probably just AEST (when's it for? none of australia has started dst yet)

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Agrajag-:

oh, for the next month :P

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Beirdo:

here's hoping they put AEST all year round on their site for scheduling

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Beirdo:

they have from Jan 2006 to Jan 2007 listed

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Beirdo:

http://www.abc.net.au/rn/goons/default.htm

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Beirdo:

not like many of you guys are likely to be up at that insane hour to listen to the show, but I record the stream for listening to at my leisure

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Beirdo:

heh

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Agrajag-:

yeah pretty sure that'd be just AEST with dst

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Leebier:

http://www.timeanddate.com/ has pretty good info on who is on what time on any given day

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Beirdo:

hmmm, I wonder how many I have sitting around that needs tweaking

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Agrajag-:

i've heard most of the goon shows

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Agrajag-:

they used to have them on saturday afternoons

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Beirdo:

yeah, a much better time for local listening

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Beirdo:

it's on at Thurs 3:30pm here

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Beirdo:

(I'm at GMT-0400)

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Beirdo:

I much more doable time for live listening

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Beirdo:

if I were in AU, I'd still be recording for listening at a sane time

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Agrajag-:

yeah.. apparently RN and other abc stations have a huge number of international listeners

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Beirdo:

05:30 is an impossible time for me ;)

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Agrajag-:

me too

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Beirdo:

not surprised

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Agrajag-:

there are some great shows

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Beirdo:

BBC7 plays the goons too

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Agrajag-:

the science show is really good, one of the most downloaded podcasts or something

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Beirdo:

my file server captures stuff for me ;)

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Agrajag-:

it's funny because the abc stations have quite an older audience, yet the podcasts for RN are much higher than any other aussie stuff

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Agrajag-:

so there must be all these oldies with ipods and stuff, heh

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Beirdo:

quality shows and all

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Beirdo:

I'm sure CBC has the same demographics

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Beirdo:

and also I bet a lot of people (like me) were brought up listening to CBC and still do now, likely the same for ABC

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adsadadhisahd:

I have a new UltraTV 1500 MCE working does anybody know how to get it up and running

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Beirdo:

well, I'd better hit the hay.. my wife is already sleeping...

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Beirdo:

ciao

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Agrajag-:

cya

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hjohnson:

damn building a htpc of significant power will be pricey

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xris:

hjohnson: depends on what you mean by "significant"

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xris:

can build an hd-capable box for under $500

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rtsai:

xris: I'm pretty sure I need to bounce more stuff (I haven't rebooted the machine since fixing the timezone) – mysql "now()" is also returning my "old" timezone. Thanks for the idea.

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JDStone:

when I start mythtv-backend on ubuntu using '/etc/init.d/mythtv-backend start', it fails and the log says 'unable to open lockfile, permission denied'

[04:25:11]

JDStone:

but if I start it by typing 'mythbackend', it works fine

[04:25:14]

JDStone:

it starts fine

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JDStone:

can someone help me?

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xris:

rtsai: I'd recommend just rebooting the whole machine. heh

[04:25:56]

xris:

JDStone: probably need to configure the user mythbackend runs as via the sysV script

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rtsai:

xris: yeah, I know. But my machine is busy recording stuff now. Fall season has just started :P; I'll have to wait for later.

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xris:

heh

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JDStone:

xris: what do you mean configure the user?

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JDStone:

how do I do that?

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xris:

JDStone: best I can suggest is to edit the file and find out what system user it's trying to start the backend as.

[04:27:15]

xris:

it's likely something like "mythtv"

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xris:

imho, it should be root

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JDStone:

you mean edit the init script, right?

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xris:

yeah

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JDStone:

ok, i'm looking...

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JDStone:

xris: yep, you're right, it's trying to start it as user 'mythtv'

[04:29:02]

JDStone:

so just change that to root, right?

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JDStone:

xris: ahh, now it's running. thanks

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xris:

that's the easy fix

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xris:

some people think it's not good to run as root, for security reasons, but honestly it's fine. you get access to realtime priority threads that way, too.

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xris:

if you're really paranoid, the only real concern is your data drive filling up, so if you still can, try to put your recordings on a separate partition.

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JDStone:

okey dokey, thank you

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simcop2387:

heh that was creepy i wasn't expecting mythtv to actually play the dvd i just inserted :) it never worked before :)

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xris:

:)

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xris:

for me, it would really help if I put a dvd drive into the mythbox. heh

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offset:

I'm having a little trouble with multiple backends. Can someone recommend a good tutorial?

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xris:

wiki doesn't help?

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xris:

or you could ask here.

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offset:

I couldn't find much on the wiki

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xris:

it's not usually very difficult. Just have to configure a master backend, and then point all slaves to it.

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xris:

using IP's is generally best

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xris:

(as opposed to names)

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hjohnson:

damnit, i keep coming back to mini-itx cases and systems

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offset:

It seems to be working now.. But im not sure how to have all transcoding and commercial flagging done one my slave backend.

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sigger_:

hjohnson: you seen www.lixsystems.com?

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sigger_:

it costs more than piecing it together, but it saves you the time

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offset:

I would also like to get mytharchive working on the slave backend but im not sure if its even possible.

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xris:

offset: I actually don't know how to do that. generally, it goes by available CPU and where the recordings live.

[04:42:42]

offset:

The problem is that my master backend is on a slow machine, and my slave backend has no capture cards.

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offset:

But the machine the slave backend is on is really fast

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offset:

I remember seeing an advanced backend setup tutorial a while ago, but cant find it for the life of me now.

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hjohnson:

heh, my back end is turning into a wiked fast machine

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offset:

I used to have my back end on a dual-core machine but now its on a lowly 1.4ghz athlon tbird

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offset:

works great for everything except transcoding

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hjohnson:

offset: ahh, yeah, I'm puttin gmy back end on a Athlon 64 X2 3800+ or whatever crap that is.

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hjohnson:

offset: though admitedly I'm going to the wicket-fast machine to make the raid array useful

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offset:

hjohnson: thats what i was using previously, well an opteron 170..

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offset:

hjohnson: I could have as many background jobs as I wanted going without a hitch in live tv... ahh that was nice :)

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sigger_:

offset: figure that CPU has way more than enough firepower for HD?

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mortal5:

has anyone here used ffmpeg to encode a file lately?

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offset:

sigger: I would guess so.. I've never had a HD setup, but I can play HD content even without using xvmc.

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sigger_:

cool

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sigger_:

well come to think of it, I can play some HD avi's on my EPIA, so I'm not sure if I can conclude anything

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mortal5:

every time i go to use ffmpeg i get Unsupported codec

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hjohnson:

offset: this big loud machine lives in my basement

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hjohnson:

the front end machine needs to be a nice, quiet machine

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offset:

hjohnson: Can you use mythvideo without mounting the video directory with nfs or smb? assuming it is on the backend

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hjohnson:

offset: I don't know enough about it

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sigger_:

offset: to the best of my knowledge, you need to mount the stuff you wanna play

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sigger_:

also, I had some probs with samba, so you may wanna use nfs

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offset:

sigger_: thats what i was starting to figure, none of my plugins were working properly.

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sigger_:

(rereading) you want to store the files on BE and play them on FE, right? need to mount. BE doesn't stream them to FE

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sigger_:

also, the path to the files needs to be the same on both the BE and FE

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offset:

hmm... ok. That helps me a lot

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JDStone:

anyone familiar with installing the lirc-modules-source package in ubuntu/debian?

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Agrajag-:

yeah

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Agrajag-:

using module-assistant

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k-man:

is it possible that installing a newer kernel would reorder my capture cards?

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tjcarter:

hmm, I am having a small problem with my Ubuntu mythtv-backend--the script that is supposed to start the backend doesn't. It's trying to open /.qt and can't.

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tjcarter:

I'm guessing this is probably FAQ material, but I didn't see the specific problem listed.

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xris:

sounds like the homedir for the mythtv user isn't set

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xris:

imho best to just switch the init script to run mythbackend as root

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tjcarter:

I wondered about that.

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Ediehow:

where is mytharchive in mythfrontend?

[05:39:58]

giovani:

although this is not mythtv-specific, I was wondering if anyone had any advice — I'd like to "mirror" my 1080i/p display onto a little touchscreen to use instead of a remote or keyboard — the problem is, of course, the resolutions won't match, any ideas on a solution?

[05:40:02]

regicide666:

optical disc I think

[05:40:40]

k-man:

giovani, i believe vnc has a scaling option

[05:40:49]

giovani:

k-man: I was thinking about vnc

[05:40:52]

k-man:

giovani, you might be able to do it with that?

[05:40:59]

giovani:

cool, I'll check it out

[05:41:09]

giovani:

hopefully it doesn't add too much lag

[05:42:10]

giovani:

do the free vncs support like full-color/full-motion as long as the connection is fast enough?

[05:42:16]

k-man:

giovani, yeah, i think it will be a bit laggy

[05:42:26]

giovani:

yeah, that would not be good

[05:42:41]

k-man:

giovani, they won't do the video i think... (or they might if you use software rendering... not sure)

[05:42:49]

giovani:

yuck

[05:42:59]

giovani:

no clean solution :)

[05:43:24]

k-man:

no, not very clean

[05:46:41]

giovani:

would there be a solution in some kind of hardware scaler?

[05:46:54]

giovani:

if such a thing exists for monitors

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k-man:

giovani, why do it that way? why not just get a wireless remote of some kind?

[05:47:59]

giovani:

well, because I don't want to do it that way, I find remotes annoying, using arrow buttons to navigate — rather than a stylus

[05:48:53]

k-man:

ok

[05:49:17]

giovani:

plus, I'd like to use it to control music and such without having to turn on the tv

[05:50:14]

Ediehow:

i dont understand

[05:50:18]

Ediehow:

i selected recordings to archive

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Ediehow:

but it seems like nothing is happening

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Cardoe:

silly myth doesn't wanna compile

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mac_:

hi, when I use ViaXVmC in playback settings (that what I have to use, since I have a barebone with via chipset and just 1ghz) the screen is just black. Just sound. Worked fine in 0.19. What cna I do?

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garrick:

is the new eject menu option supposed to work? it doesn't seem to do anything.

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Juski_:

garrick: no, it's just there to piss you off. of course it's supposed to work

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Juski_:

giovani: your best bet would be to design an app for a wireless touchscreen which sends commands to mythfrontend via telnet

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radi0head:

Hey Juski_, I have a question for you.

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radi0head:

2 sec

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Juski_:

mmmyers... ?

[06:52:14]

radi0head:

I've found a deal on ebay for a Hauppauge WinTV PVR-150MCE + a Snapstream Firefly Remote, what do you think about that? the remote that is.

[06:52:54]

radi0head:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem . . . AIT&rd=1

[06:53:38]

Juski_:

er... I don't know for sure if the firefly works in linux

[06:55:31]

radi0head:

AH okay thanks. I'm going to bed but tomorrow I'll check the mythtvtalk.com forums.

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Juski_:

check tha mailing lists too

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radi0head:

Yeah, there are tons of posts there. :D

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** Juski_ is currently trying to find out how to make ubuntu packages **

[07:00:39]

radi0head:

http://linux.derkeiler.com/Mailing-Lists/Kern . . . 09/6694.html

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Juski_:

sorted!

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radi0head:

Juski_; http://www.fedoraforum.org/forum/showthread.php?t=47489

[07:05:46]

radi0head:

I found some things about the remote googling.

[07:05:56]

radi0head:

Looks liek it "can" work under linux.

[07:06:08]

Juski_:

yup

[07:06:16]

mac_:

Hi. I am using a barebone with a Via Chipset that supports XvMC. In 0.20, I just get a black screen and sound. In 0.19, it worked fine. In playback options. ViaXVMc is set. Anything I can do?

[07:08:36]

Dibblah:

mac_: Good morning ;)

[07:08:54]

Juski_:

mac_: did you make 0.20 yourself?

[07:09:05]

mac_:

Dibblah: hey.. still no luck :9

[07:09:09]

mac_:

Juski_: yes I compiled it myself

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mac_:

options: Mon Sep 11 22:44:26 CEST 2006

[07:09:19]

mac_:

./configure --enable-xvmc --enable-xvmc-pro --disable-xvmc-opengl

[07:09:27]

Juski_:

daft question no doubt since there are so many begging posts on the users mail-list

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Dibblah:

That's the entire line?

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mac_:

I tried it with all possible options, with -pro and without opengl and with opengl

[07:09:51]

mac_:

Dibblah: yeah

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Juski_:

mac_: which via chipset?

[07:10:11]

Juski_:

cn200 / cn400 ?

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Dibblah:

Don't do the XVMC opengl version – It's not functional.

[07:10:22]

mac_:

Dibblah: its disabled

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Dibblah:

I know.

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mac_:

Juski_: trying to look that up .. wish me luck :)

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Juski_:

mac_: which board is it then?

[07:12:33]

mac_:

VIA CLE 266

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mac_:

thats the chipset/board

[07:12:41]

mac_:

Looked it up in a online shop

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Juski_:

just unichrome then... so you dont want the -pro option

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mac_:

Tried it without, too

[07:13:14]

Juski_:

which distro?

[07:13:18]

mac_:

ubuntu

[07:13:24]

Juski_:

seen problems with ubuntu's xvmc wrapper

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mac_:

Mind you, it was working perfectly with 0.19

[07:13:49]

Juski_:

check the makefile to verify it was linking to the via xvmc libs

[07:14:06]

mac_:

I am preparing a new compile without the -pro

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Juski_:

I'm gonna go to work now

[07:14:31]

mac_:

Where would I find the approriate line? I have no idea how they are called :)

[07:14:32]

mac_:

Thanks

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mac_:

Doing a make clean; make now..

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hads:

I just compiled and installed my first Myth (from SVN). When entering LiveTV the master volume for my sound card gets set to 70, is there a setting anywhere or something I can do to change this behaviour?

[07:39:04]

giovani:

Juski_: nah, that really doesn't do anything close to what I want — I want the full mythtv interface — for controlling the tv/music right there, without the tv on

[07:42:20]

Dagmar:

"New GUIDE keybinding (defaults to S) while watching recordings to bring up the EPG"

[07:42:31]

Dagmar:

YAY! Finally I can make my Guide button useful

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Captain_Murdoch:

Dagmar, better to bind it to the FINDER action so it brings up the Program Finder. Much more useful than a guide while you're watching a program that was recorded days or weeks ago. :)

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k-man:

damn, how's marillat going with packaging for debian?

[07:44:22]

Dagmar:

Captain_Murdoch: I would rather have a one-press operation to go to the channel guide while I'm watching LiveTV

[07:45:49]

Captain_Murdoch:

ok. can see that. was responding to "while watching recordings". :)

[07:49:40]

Captain_Murdoch:

just noticed FINDER doesn't work from LiveTV, not sure why I didn't allow that also.

[07:53:55]

Mantar:

hey all. I got things working fine, but mytharchive is not detecting the aspect ratios on my mpeg4 recordings. it's setting them to 16:9 instead of 4:3. anyone know a workaround?

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Dagmar:

Squeeze your TV really hard

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asd26:

mythtv has problems

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Ruleke:

asd26: too bad

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Kelerion:

morning all

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Ruleke:

gday

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hads:

Hmm, actually the volume also gets reset when playing a recording as well as watching LiveTV.

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Ruleke:

hads: you are letting myth control the mixer ?

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hads:

Ruleke: I just stuble across the setting in the front-end setup :)

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hads:

erm s/stuble/stumbled/

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Dibblah:

mac_: Did you just upgrade, or did you change any settings / start from a new database?

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asd26:

<asd26> PID USER PR NI VIRT RES SHR S %CPU %MEM TIME+ COMMAND

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asd26:

<asd26> 5511 root 39 0 40856 33m 3188 R 70.8 6.6 3:15.76 X

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asd26:

<asd26> 5659 mythtv 0 0 211m 85m 19m R 24.6 17.0 3:03.14 mythfrontend

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asd26:

look at that 70.8% X!

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Ruleke:

asd26: unaccelerated playback ?

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asd26:

who knows

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asd26:

Xmvc not working ?

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Anduin:

If only there were -v playback

[09:05:21]

emja:

I've forgotten my mysql passwd. Is it stored in a file or script within mythtv? If so, where?

[09:06:55]

simon_c:

in the ~/.mythtv/mysql.txt file

[09:09:35]

emja:

thanks

[09:10:04]

emja:

crap. what a boring and insecure passwd

[09:10:05]

emja:

;-)

[09:12:32]

giovani:

mythtvrocks is my password for everything

[09:12:55]

emja:

heh

[09:12:55]

** stuarta hax0rs giovani's machine.... **

[09:12:58]

emja:

appropriate

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giovani:

oh noes

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Dagmar:

q/uote ns recover giovani mythtvrocks

[09:13:10]

emja:

but i do hope your machine isn't facing the net

[09:13:10]

Dagmar:

oops

[09:13:13]

emja:

;-)

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giovani:

uh

[09:13:27]

giovani:

how else would one be on the internet

[09:13:31]

giovani:

if the machine wasn't facing it

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stuarta:

!trout giovani tell everyone my password

[09:13:37]

** MythLogBot slaps giovani with a tell everyone my password trout on behalf of stuarta... **

[09:13:53]

giovani:

heh

[09:14:07]

** giovani grabs the trout **

[09:14:10]

giovani:

and sets up a fire

[09:14:13]

giovani:

man I'm hungry

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** stuarta knows where the trout has been **

[09:14:40]

giovani:

I'm cooking it over a fire

[09:14:42]

giovani:

it won't matter

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stuarta:

didn't taste very nice last time i tried it.

[09:15:09]

giovani:

it's kind of like those late-night infomercials — burns the fat away!

[09:15:20]

giovani:

knocks out the fat!

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giovani:

that's it

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asd26:

how do i turn off flag commerials?

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liable:

k-man: ni> it won't matter

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liable:

err

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liable:

k-man: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/223144

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Dagmar:

-NickServ(NickServ@services.)- Password Incorrect

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Dagmar:

He lied to us!

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galorin:

got a minor problem when compiling mythtv under Ubuntu for AMD64. Has to do with libdts.a. There's 2 versions on my system, /usr/lib/libdts_pic.a (the one Myth wants) and /usr/lib/libdts.a (the one it finds) How can I fix this without breaking things?

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stuarta:

install libdts-dev?

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galorin:

stuarta, already installed and newest version

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galorin:

trying to find where an onstall script points to libdts

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stuarta:

i'd be more concerned about why you don't have the lib

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Dagmar:

HAHA

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galorin:

I've got it, looking straight at it. one sec.. trying something

[10:03:01]

Dagmar:

It's amazing how upset the gf gets when you start an upgrade while she's watching something

[10:03:11]

Dagmar:

...especially when you're not in the apartment.

[10:03:31]

galorin:

well, let's see if that breaks things... What is libdts used for anyways?

[10:03:45]

Dagmar:

Dolby

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Ruleke:

mythtv does dolby ? :P

[10:05:08]

Dagmar:

Not, um, legally, no

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Ruleke:

in what way ?

[10:05:38]

Dagmar:

Technically you shouldn't have a libdts.anything so it's a non-problem

[10:05:49]

galorin:

Ok. if I disable it rather than hack around it, what then?

[10:05:50]

Ruleke:

It decodes dolby and transcodes it to multichannel audio or...

[10:06:05]

Dagmar:

In the way that Dolby holds the rights to all their stuff and likes to threaten people like the folks who wrote libdts

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Ruleke:

yer ok I mean in what way does mythtv do dolby :P

[10:06:29]

Ruleke:

technically speaking

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Dagmar:

galorin: If you just disable it then maybe you can get the rest built and work on it again at a time when more people are on

[10:07:18]

Dagmar:

Ruleke: I wouldn't know because it's an unlicenced library

[10:07:25]

Ruleke:

it is ?

[10:07:34]

Ruleke:

It's a free implementation afaict

[10:07:42]

Ruleke:

seems to be unencumbered enough for debian even

[10:07:43]

Dagmar:

It's not like dolby makes cheap speakers sound expensive or something

[10:07:54]

galorin:

Ok, disabled it and no errors yet. I don't have any dolby hardware anyways so.. :S

[10:08:15]

Ruleke:

I think that's the point galorin :)

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galorin:

I suspect they might like to harass people but I don't think they can legaly do anything about it if it's been reverse-engineered for compatability... legal in the US, but IANAL

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Ruleke:

yep

[10:09:56]

Ruleke:

I'd like to be able to decode dts/prologic/ac3/whatever and just decode it to multichannel pcm

[10:10:10]

Ruleke:

which is what a patch does that's somewhere in a ticket

[10:10:18]

Ruleke:

I think

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Ruleke:

or aims to do anyway

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galorin:

ACK! I need to do something about the cooling in this box. cleaned out some dust and it runs hotter without the dust than it did with. :(

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Dagmar:

galorin: I've found that it's worthwhile to actually have a surplus of 33% of the total number of fans you've got

[10:24:15]

galorin:

huh?

[10:24:20]

Dagmar:

Of course, I'm also fond of Vantec's "Stealth" fans for being cheap and as quiet as they claim

[10:24:28]

Dagmar:

galorin: Replace the fans

[10:25:04]

Dagmar:

If it was severely funked up, it's likely that your vaccuuming dislodged bits of gunk that were formerly not in the way and are now *in* the way of the fans

[10:25:27]

hashbang:

Dagmar: or he over-accelerated fans with the suction, and now they're dead

[10:25:36]

** hashbang has done that. **

[10:25:38]

galorin:

Well, I've got 3 case fans, but there's space for 4.. and my CPU cooler is just the stock AMD one

[10:25:51]

Dagmar:

Oof

[10:25:51]

Dagmar:

Yeah that's a common way of breaking fans

[10:25:58]

Dagmar:

I keep reminding hte people on Gaia that if they use a vacuum, they gotta keep a thumb on the blades

[10:26:14]

hashbang:

but it looks so pretty!

[10:26:34]

galorin:

Compressed air here, and I am careful with my fans, but most of them are getting on a bit...

[10:26:50]

Dagmar:

What? The sparks coming off the motherboard as the fan spins up to 25K and puts 36V reverse into the mainboard?>

[10:27:25]

Dagmar:

galorin: When you consider the fact that fans cost about as much as a can of compressed air...

[10:27:52]

Dagmar:

I put cheesecloth on my intakes and just replace anything that gets too dirty nowadays

[10:28:10]

Dagmar:

It's a shame they don't make little 80mm HEPA filters

[10:28:14]

Dagmar:

That would be nice.

[10:28:59]

Dagmar:

In a pinch, even something as simple as some cut up pantyhose and popsicle sticks can help keep dust down

[10:29:23]

galorin:

Aye. I'll keep my eye out for some vantec fans, still like to replace the CPU heatsink with a better one

[10:29:56]

Dagmar:

Just be sure that to avoid a problem with a store clerk when you buy pantyhose that you also pick up a shower curtain, some clothespins, some rope, and a small bottle of vegetable oil.

[10:30:26]

Dagmar:

galorin: Oh, the heatsinks are easy. Take the fan off (keep track of the screws) and put it in the dishwasher if you're *really* lazy

[10:30:45]

Dagmar:

Umm... mayb you might want to have some arctic silver handy after that tho

[10:30:57]

Dagmar:

CPU in the dishwasher is probably a no-no

[10:31:25]

Dagmar:

I dont' think AMD would be very pleased to get a warranty replacement request on something soaked in water

[10:31:47]

galorin:

You mean you're not supposed to just take the sides off the case and stick it in the dishwasher? No wonder my last computer failed on me.

[10:31:58]

Dagmar:

...but CPU heatsinks are generally pretty compressed-air-resistant beyond a certain point.

[10:32:07]

Dagmar:

A vacuum cleaner is handy there (once the fan is off it)

[10:32:30]

Dagmar:

galorin: Only keyboards, properly disassembled, go into the dishwasher.

[10:32:35]

Dagmar:

...and they're definitely a "top rack" item

[10:32:38]

galorin:

Now you tell me

[10:33:04]

Dagmar:

The new Magitronic "Esher" model looks cool, but it's hard to type on.

[10:35:10]

galorin:

I'm thinking of getting one of those frogpad keyboards after I get a second tuner card for my mythbox...

[10:36:58]

galorin:

First computer I got was a 486 DX2 66, and I still can't touch-type

[10:38:52]

galorin:

maybe I'll finally learn with one of those

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[10:51:28]

galorin:

huh? what the heck? http://pastebin.ca/167788 make failed on mytharchive, I'd like to have that but errors don't tell me how to fix it

[10:52:14]

stuarta:

have you install myth after building it.

[10:52:54]

galorin:

let me check my logs. I would feel incredibly stupid if I left off the && make install

[10:53:13]

galorin:

that's almost instinctive from my Slackware days

[10:53:56]

galorin:

ok, I feel stupid.

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galorin:

Ubuntu is rotting my brain

[10:56:46]

Dagmar:

Could be

[10:57:02]

Dagmar:

If you were still using Slackware you could just use the packages I'm building right now

[10:57:05]

Dagmar:

:)

[10:57:37]

galorin:

I'm seriously thinking LFS looks attractive right now...

[10:57:41]

Dagmar:

Of course, I'm a terrible, terrible, EVIL person and compile them for -march=i686, thereby depriving 486 users of their right to install binaries...

[10:58:13]

Dagmar:

galorin: I don't know if that means you need another bong hit, or you've already had too many.

[10:58:29]

Dagmar:

If you want to actually _watch_ TV, dont' do it on LFS.

[10:58:33]

Dagmar:

Life's too short.

[10:59:40]

Dagmar:

LFS is good for everythihng except something like this where you're completely likely to get sidetracked watching TV.

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[11:01:33]

Puh:

hello

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galorin:

Hello Puh

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Puh:

i upgraded to 0.20 yesterday and it's running fine

[11:02:04]

Puh:

i didn't set up any dvb-radio channels yet though

[11:02:11]

Puh:

but so far so good

[11:02:50]

galorin:

congrats, I'm just getting around to upgrading mine.. haven't even moved the computer into the tv room

[11:03:02]

emja:

how do I convert from nuv to 'something sensible'?

[11:03:05]

emja:

ie; avi

[11:03:06]

Puh:

my xbox frontend is growing smaller and smaller, i might be better to dump it entirely and set up a new frontend box with some more juice

[11:04:37]

Kelerion:

emja, nuvexport

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Puh:

i usually demultiplex the nuv files with projectx and then handle them as needed

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asd26:

i want to retire from work

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galorin:

Me too, but can't afford to so career change for me. I'm a student again! yay!

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emja:

Kelerion: thanks

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Mattwj2005:

hey everyone :)

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Kelerion:

hey hey

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stuarta:

we're the monkeys!!!

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** Kelerion chuckles **

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Mattwj2005:

well I was doing some reading on DVB-S....pretty cool stuff

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Mattwj2005:

*makes some monkey sounds*

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Mattwj2005:

I was surprised there are quite a few free stations available in the US

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Kelerion:

don't know much about it

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Kelerion:

don't think I've met anyone in the UK here with DVB-S... might be wrong though

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Mattwj2005:

I just think it is cool that there is totally free programming like this available

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pmdumuid_:

After compiling and installing mythtv using "configure --prefix=/usr" on FC5, I get an error saying "can't find libmythtv.so.0", when trying to start mythtv... Is there a means to specify using lib64 as the place to place the libraries?

[11:31:21]

Dagmar:

pmdumuid_: Yep. Probably --libdir.

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Dagmar:

pmdumuid_: Check ./configure --help to be sure tho'

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stuarta:

Kelerion: there's a few of them around.

[11:31:38]

pmdumuid_:

Dagmar: I tried that

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Mattwj2005:

maybe I'll set up a MythTV box for it :-P

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Kelerion:

ahh ok

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Dagmar:

Then try a `find /usr -name "libmythtv.so.0"` and see what it comes up with

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emja:

Kelerion: thanks again, exactly what I was looking for.

[11:32:30]

Kelerion:

emja, no problem

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pmdumuid_:

I did a "make uninstall / clean" and am currently re-compiling, but the libmyth file was in the /usr/lib/ dir, I tried copying it over to /usr/lib64/ but that didn't solve it.

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Kelerion:

I just add /usr/local/lib to my ld.so.conf and rerun ldconfig to sort that one out.. but am on ubuntu here.. don't know about FC5

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galorin:

ok, upgraded and working fine except the tv.. of course. haven't set that up totally yet but it works.. Anyhow, how do I go about editing smart playlists for mythmusic? can't seem to find it anywhere

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Mattwj2005:

are there any developers in the room?

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Kelerion:

well.. not me

[11:36:09]

Mattwj2005:

well if there are....I just wanted to say thank for another great release of MythTV :)

[11:36:15]

Mattwj2005:

*thanks

[11:39:33]

Mattwj2005:

does anyone have a DVB-S setup?

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Mattwj2005:

I was think of setting it up just for fun....see what signals I can get and all

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Dibblah:

Yes.

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Dibblah:

You'll only get channels you're not really interested in.

[11:46:11]

Dibblah:

Unless you have a CAM + Card for the channels you ARE interested in.

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Mattwj2005:

well I was doing some looking at http://www.lyngsat.com/freetv/United-States.html

[11:47:17]

Mattwj2005:

your right most of the good channels are not available

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Dibblah:

Ah. You're in the States. Even more boned, therefore.

[11:48:00]

Mattwj2005:

yeah

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Mattwj2005:

where are you from and how many channels do you get?

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Dibblah:

UK. About 800.

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Mattwj2005:

cool

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Mattwj2005:

anything good on? :-P

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Dibblah:

Only... Oooh. 4 are worth watching, though ;)

[11:49:43]

Mattwj2005:

lol

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Dibblah:

For the US, you're limited in the sats you can see.

[11:50:28]

Mattwj2005:

I am trying to figure out if I should spend a few dollars and get it to play around with

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Dibblah:

And in that there are no Dish or the other network CAMs.

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ness_:

does anyone have a script to remove files that are in mythdb but not on the filesystem

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Dibblah:

ness_ There's something or other in Contrib, I'm sure.

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Mattwj2005:

well I have to get to bad

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Mattwj2005:

*bed

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Mattwj2005:

have a good one everyone :)

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Kelerion:

woohoo... excellent... my my just got finished being wall mounted :)

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Kelerion:

my tv..even

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Kelerion:

went out and got a new surround system yesterday... just trying to figure out how the hell I'm gonna hook it all up properly.. lol

[11:57:10]

Kelerion:

I went and did something stupid.. I got an amp without a bloody optical input

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Dagmar:

oh noes

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Dagmar:

I'd just take it back, actually.

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Kelerion:

my *existing* amp has one.. and it has an audio out.. so I should just be able to piggy-back them together

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Juski_:

Kelerion: you can buy a coax-optical converter thing for < £20 IIRC :)

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Juski_:

oooo: http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2006/09/12/blackmagic_hdmi_editing/

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Kelerion:

ooooh... now if we could record off of that!

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Juski_:

I bet it doesn't speak HDCP though

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Kelerion:

the Intensity is only gonna cost 130quid! thats damn cheap for something like that

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Juski_:

heheheh http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/09/11/phthalate_warning/

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melunko:

Hello there, anyone could suggest a good analog card to use with mythtv?

[13:05:50]

Juski_:

hauppauge pvr150

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Ruleke:

seconded

[13:06:26]

Juski_:

software encoders stink, so go with a PVR card

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Ruleke:

or the pvr500 for 2 tuners where pci slots are scarce :)

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Juski_:

wtf is this guy on about? "What dvd-driver version should i use to compile mythtv 0.20? "

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jstew:

lol

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jstew:

Thats like saying "what should I drink when compiling mythplugins?"

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Juski_:

I just replied with "I recommend you use gcc to compile mythtv 0.20"

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jstew:

haha

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jstew:

He will fail to compile it then tell all his friends that myth is a steaming pile of dog poo and doesnt work

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Juski_:

what _should_ you drink while ocmpiling mythplugins? I was drinking a glass of water when i built mythplugins last night – everything SEEMS to be okay but I need to be sure

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fenris:

hi

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hjohnson:

Juski_: beer. Do you have to ask?

[13:10:28]

hjohnson:

Beer is the one true beverage.

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fenris:

hi

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fenris:

oops

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hjohnson:

or should I say BEvERage. :P

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jstew:

I havent run into any problems with .20 yet as of last night. Only that mythweb problem.

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Juski_:

damn that means I'll have to ferment the installation after adding hops

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jstew:

tru enough hjohnson

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hjohnson:

heh

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** hjohnson has fond memories of engineering school.. **

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Juski_:

time for me to go back to hating my job

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hjohnson:

well, at least the parts between the trips to the pubs.

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hjohnson:

Juski_: well, not much to hate if you'r enot being shot at on a regular basis. :P

[13:11:52]

hjohnson:

(man that sounded like a real downer, lol)

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fenris:

hm, mythfilldatabase --manual says "cannot find date on requested page at /usr/bin/tv_grab_de_tvtoday line 473."

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fenris:

any ideas whats wrong?

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Kelerion:

sounds like it's page scraping.. and the webpage has changed

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gardengnome:

fenris: yes. your XMLTV install is outdated.

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gardengnome:

fenris: get at least xmltv 0.5.44.

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jstew:

I hate page scraping.

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gardengnome:

jstew: it sucks.

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jstew:

i suppose theres no better way to do it in some cases.

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fenris:

gardengnome: thx

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gardengnome:

fenris: fyi, there's also #mythtv-de

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fenris:

hm, ist das normal dass mythfilldatabase --manual ewig braucht ohne erkennbare netzwerkaktivitÃ¤t?

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fenris:

oops, echan, sorry

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|Torg|:

is there any way to get mythtv to switch video modes in X based upon input mpeg (ie dynamicly writch between 720P and 1080I)?

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jstew:

Xrandr maybe?

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|Torg|:

yes I was hoping someone had already done this and had a solution, xrandr would work but its not automated, thanks

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|Torg|:

I dont supose anyone has a pach that does it

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jstew:

I thought xrandr works automatically? All you have to do is have the proper X modes available right?

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Ruleke:

hmm why does myth need to xrandr libs when compiling then ? (if you enable it)

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|Torg|:

then maybe its getting confused on my EDID

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jstew:

Yeah, somyth uses xrandr by default is it's on your system then, right Ruleke?

[13:57:04]

|Torg|:

its part of X libs, isnt it?

[13:57:34]

Ruleke:

jstew: yep, don't use it mysefl though

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jstew:

Should be. In gentoo it's part of the default x distro

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Ruleke:

no idea what it does

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jstew:

Just what we were talkign about... switches video modes on the fly

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jstew:

I NEED to use it for Xmame, as it does not use XV to scale.

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|Torg|:

Im wondering why mine does not tho

[13:58:38]

jstew:

I think I can get around that with gxmame perhaps.

[13:59:01]

Ruleke:

upscale and do some antialiasing :)

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|Torg|:

it may be getting confused to what the computer thinks 1080I is and what my Tv does

[14:00:09]

|Torg|:

what would be nice is if I could get myth to display whatever mode its showing becase my TV does not

[14:01:39]

jstew:

I would like to see that too torg. maybe on the info OSD. I suspect that this will not happen, as the OSD would get too cluttered.

[14:02:18]

jstew:

Are you using a component out? I know that on nvidia cards you cannot do xrandr on the tv out

[14:02:41]

|Torg|:

DVI to HDMI

[14:03:01]

jstew:

Hmm... I *think* that should be OK

[14:04:41]

|Torg|:

is there any way I can see if its using randr? -verbose 10 does not have any info

[14:08:29]

jstew:

Hmm... I think in order to enable xrandr you have to have "Separate video modes for GUI and TV playback" set. at least that's what I understand from what I just read.

[14:08:45]

|Torg|:

ok let me go play with that then :)

[14:09:03]

jstew:

And you need the proper modlines defined in your xorg.conf fo each video mode that you want.

[14:09:12]

|Torg|:

btw I can get xrandr to tell me command line, I jsut dont knwo if its working

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|Torg|:

I use XFree, so XF86Config, but I get the idea :)

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jstew:

yeah

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scarfy:

Hi

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Ruleke:

why in the world would knoppmyth use XFree 4.5 ?

[14:09:53]

** Ruleke just noticed **

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|Torg|:

hey its whats on the CD :P

[14:10:09]

jstew:

you tried -v playback in the frontend?

[14:10:21]

jstew:

yeah, who uses XFree86 anymore?

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|Torg|:

I figure get to to work then go screw it up...err fix it :P

[14:10:23]

Ruleke:

torg, was just reading changelog

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scarfy:

whe i run mythfilldatabase it always says "nice: tv_grab_de_tvtoday: File or folder not found". Anybody know why? do i have to link something?

[14:10:49]

Ruleke:

jstew: heh they upgraded it to an Xfree after the xorg fork even

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scarfy:

*when

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jstew:

xorg is so much more actively developed.

[14:11:06]

Ruleke:

yepz

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Ruleke:

scarfy: what did you select as grabber in mythtv-setup ?

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scarfy:

graber? do you mean the xmltv script i chose? i'm using the frontend in german meaby its called different

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gardengnome:

scarfy: you need to install xmltv (0.5.44 at least). fyi, there is also #mythtv-de

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Ruleke:

woah deja-vu

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|Torg|:

no scarfy the backend, when it ran mythtv-setup it asked you. tv_grab_de_tvtoday is the xmltv graber script to get your listings (the thing that feads the database with tv listings)

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Ruleke:

what did they change

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scarfy:

gardengnome, aah thats a seperate program?

[14:17:58]

gardengnome:

yes.

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scarfy:

ah right found it.. no guide i've been reading mentioned that.. i actually didn't have that installed :-$

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Ruleke:

doh :)

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|Torg|:

dont feal bad I jsut figured out why xranr wont work, my damn X dropped the 1080I modeline

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scarfy:

another question though.. when i watch tv on mythtv i get no sound only a steady high pitched beep sound.. but other tv programms like xawtv or tvtime never showed that sympton

[14:21:04]

scarfy:

:)

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|Torg|:

thats an alsa problem, proobly wrong driver settings or screwed up driver

[14:21:33]

|Torg|:

mine will do that if I tell it to do ac3 passthough (and it dosnt have ac3 capability)

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scarfy:

yeah? why only with mythtv then?

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scarfy:

hmm don't think i configured anything like that even by accident...

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|Torg|:

its unchecked by default

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scarfy:

hmm

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scarfy:

ui now that i installed it it did something wheee :D

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gambler:

is mythv any easier to setup now in 0.20? I am a technical person but I had problems setting up myth at 0.19...

[14:37:45]

|Torg|:

#define <easy>

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dev:

if you have to ask, then no :P

[14:38:34]

|Torg|:

if you mean does your hardware work as advertised, maybe

[14:38:44]

|Torg|:

if you mean can you compile it without problems, usually

[14:38:57]

|Torg|:

if it means is it all done for you without any interverntion, then no

[14:40:28]

|Torg|:

(II) NVIDIA(0): NVIDIA 3D Acceleration Architecture Initialized

[14:40:28]

|Torg|:

(II) NVIDIA(0): Using the NVIDIA 2D acceleration architecture

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|Torg|:

(**) NVIDIA(0): DPMS enabled

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|Torg|:

(==) RandR enabled

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|Torg|:

HAH damn X

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e4:

I had to recompile my kernel to get Myth going, that's a bit above most peoples general knowledge of pc's :P

[14:41:35]

|Torg|:

comping a kernel isnt hard, its just that there are too many questions and it takes hours

[14:42:01]

hashbang:

e4: how come?

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Ruleke:

??

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hashbang:

e4: FC4's kernel JFWed for me.

[14:42:54]

e4:

preemptive kernel locking or whatever exactly it's called, heh

[14:43:03]

hashbang:

e4: why did you need that?

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e4:

you don't need that, it hard crashes your system when enabled w/ mythtv

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hashbang:

crikey! what distro ships with it enabled?

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e4:

Fedora? :P

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hashbang:

what version? 4 was fine.

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|Torg|:

its redcraps idea of fixing smp

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|Torg|:

but I cant see how it would effect myth, its not smp aware

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** hashbang also wonders why you'd want an SMP myth frontend, when little Celerons and VIA boxes are quick enough. **

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|Torg|:

e4 are you running a smp box or is it just dual core?

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e4:

standard x86

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e4:

on a 750MHz Duron, so neither :P

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|Torg|:

x86 is the instruciton set of the cpu not the number of threads, its pool or its cmp

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|Torg|:

err smp

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e4:

Fedora x86 Torg

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|Torg|:

I knwo what Fedora is, I knwo what x86 is

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|Torg|:

neither decribe smp tho

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abarbaccia:

anybody know how i would make irexec only execute a command after someone holds a button for lets say, 5 seconds?

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|Torg|:

but what it sounds like is you ran redhatrs stanrdrad out of the box smp kernel on a non smp processor and the kernel had premtive kernel threads in it

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|Torg|:

that is a good way to lock up the box, mythtv or not

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Ruleke:

it shouldn't

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e4:

x86 is the 32 bit version of Fedora, with the 32 bit version of the kernel... I would not try to install x86_64 on a non 64 bit system, I don't even thnk you could

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e4:

*think

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|Torg|:

yes *shouldnt*, sounds good tho Ive seen it do it

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Ruleke:

same

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hashbang:

e4: the point |Torg| is making is that x86 comes in both UP and SMP flavours

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|Torg|:

x86 is an instuction set

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Ruleke:

but always a driver issue

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|Torg|:

x86_64 referd to AMDs 64 bit extensiosn to that set

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hashbang:

e4: so he's wondering why you had an SMP kernel running on a UP machine

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e4:

hm...

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hashbang:

|Torg|: right, |Torg| ?

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|Torg|:

nierher are symeteci multi processing

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|Torg|:

or more then one core usualy more then one cpu, smp != x86

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|Torg|:

yes hashbang

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Ruleke:

torg is not reading, he's typing

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Ruleke:

ah there you go :-p

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|Torg|:

my system is mutithreaded, im not :P

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hashbang:

I think I recall reading that there was a cock-up in FC5, where they started only installing SMP kernels

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Ruleke:

nor preemptive it seems

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Ruleke:

TASK_UNINTERRUPTABLE

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Ruleke:

:P

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|Torg|:

I gave up on redhat long agao when they could not comple their own kernel

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hashbang:

but then, running MythTV on FC5 seems like self-flagellation when FC4 works and is nicely documented at http://wilsonet.com/mythtv/fcmyth.php

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e4:

I was under the impression smp was only on the 64 bit version of FC5

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|Torg|:

go get Debian or Suse, but thats personal opionion

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hashbang:

|Torg|: how come? I just used to rebuild the kernel from their src.rpms

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|Torg|:

how come what? how come I dont use redhat anymore?

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hashbang:

|Torg|: how come you couldn't build the RH kernel?

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|Torg|:

oh it was a long while back RH shipped src code requiring one glib and the compiler with an older one

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e4:

hashbang, it's exactly the same setup with the exception of having to take that task out of the kernel

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|Torg|:

I belive it was when they went to glib2.2 but dont quote me on that

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hashbang:

|Torg|: right, there was the kgcc/gcc thing years ago

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e4:

does optimizing your kernel increase your speed noticeably?

[14:54:16]

hashbang:

|Torg|: where you used kgcc (aka 2.7.2) to compile the kernel, and gcc for everything else, apart from mplayer, which still wanted kgcc

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|Torg|:

anyways the short version is I avoid RH on my persoanl boxes (altho custers seem to love the hell out of it)

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hashbang:

e4: not really.

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hashbang:

e4: modules mean that you don't really gain much on memory usage

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hashbang:

e4: and the vendor kernels are usually supplied optimized for common targets already

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e4:

I see...

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hashbang:

e4: e.g. RH/FC .i386 RPMs are optimized for pentium4, but only use i386 or i486 instructions.

[14:56:11]

hashbang:

e4: note also that the performance gains of running, say, athlon-optmized binaries on an athlon are very slim compared with pentium4 binaries on an athlon

[14:56:25]

e4:

okay, that was where I was wondering, lol

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hashbang:

e4: whereas the other way round (athlon binaries on p4) is painful.

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|Torg|:

thats becae Intel is the evil empire :P

[14:57:03]

e4:

checked out a little about SMP, SMP refers to a package type doesn't it?

[14:57:06]

hashbang:

e4: of course, if you have hard data that disproves this, the vendors appeal for you to send it to them.

[14:57:21]

|Torg|:

SMP referd to having more then one CPU (well core)

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gambler:

I have this little IR thingy that came with my Leadtek Winfast Capture Card...Is there a way to find out if it does TX (at the moment I assume it's RX only)

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hashbang:

|Torg|: no, it's because AMD *needs* their CPUs to perform well on code that isn't specifically optimized for them, since they're not the market leader, and so that's the common case.

[14:58:04]

|Torg|:

no no no, Intel is the evil empire I tell you :P

[14:58:06]

hashbang:

e4: no, SMP means a machine has multiple CPUs or cores.

[14:58:13]

hashbang:

|Torg|: oh, well, if you insist. :-)

[14:58:19]

|Torg|:

haha

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hashbang:

|Torg|: they're really not doing very well at being evil, though.

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hashbang:

|Torg|: they release programming docs, errata, drivers under the GPL...

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hashbang:

|Torg|: now, nVidia, *they're* evil.

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e4:

AMD made some nice advances towards being on an even level with them lately

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|Torg|:

I don't supose you have anything an speed twweking my FE is an amd 1500 and can play HDTV just barely

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|Torg|:

no no ATI is evil not ATI :)

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hashbang:

|Torg|: got XvMC enabled?

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e4:

AMD == ATI :)

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|Torg|:

nvidia is cool :)

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|Torg|:

yes XvMC is enabled

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|Torg|:

but I thought that was for my nvidia not the amd?

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hashbang:

|Torg|: that's the big win with HD, I gather. I don't do HD yet, so...

[15:00:52]

hashbang:

|Torg|: of course, some cards/drivers do XvMC better than others.

[15:00:58]

|Torg|:

im thikng of getting an AC3 passthough and sending all my audio to the surround sound

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|Torg|:

altho I half suspect the speed problems is becasue im using knoppmyth predone. I suposed ti was better because it was all pretested, but I dont know what chaning out xorf for xfree will get me for example

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|Torg|:

what I want is a HDTV version of the PVR250

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scarfy:

ehm lil question "Choose a channel ID (positive integer) [0"... ehmm what is it asking for?

[15:18:49]

halcyon:

isn't that where you scan for channels?

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scarfy:

yeah its when i runn the mythfilldatabase

[15:19:25]

scarfy:

but what does it want?

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scarfy:

a number'

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scarfy:

a number of what?

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halcyon:

it should fill it in, I thought.

[15:20:18]

scarfy:

na he said he didn't find something i need to do something manual.. something with numbers or whatnot.. i still have no clue what it wants though

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|Torg|:

its asking what initial channel to set your hdtv card to

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halcyon:

do you have a channel number defined in mythtv-setup?

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|Torg|:

do you have a listing of hdtv channels already?

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scarfy:

its not hdtv just regular an its asking for it at every channel i recieve

[15:21:08]

scarfy:

its going through all the channels asking for this ID

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halcyon:

right, like you haven't defined it in mythtv-setup

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scarfy:

yeah the setup said it couldn't do something or other i would have to run mythfilldatabase --manual..

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scarfy:

and i don't know what information it wants

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halcyon:

we probably need the "something or other" to be much help.

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scarfy:

hmm ok ill do the setup again

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halcyon:

I'm checking my setup too

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halcyon:

OpenGL painter over VNC = sloowww :D

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scarfy:

ok it says "Your XMLTV Grabber doesn't serve any channelnummers. You have to enter them manually" but still what channel numbers?

[15:24:05]

scarfy:

random?

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halcyon:

oh so you have to use XMLTV?

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halcyon:

where are you located?

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scarfy:

switzerland

[15:24:43]

halcyon:

ah, that's out of my sphere of Mythtv knowledge :/

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scarfy:

where are you?

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halcyon:

US

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scarfy:

ah ok

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halcyon:

so use direct thingy

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scarfy:

not even pal there rofl

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halcyon:

err so *I* use it :D

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scarfy:

datat direct? it says its for north america not really usefull

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halcyon:

right, that's why said I use it, it won't work for you :)

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halcyon:

have you tried this:

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scarfy:

whats the transmitted guide only thing? EIT? is that any good?

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halcyon:

If you're outside of North America, then some manual interaction will be required with XMLTV. You may need to switch from the MythTV setup program to the console it was run on to interact with XMLTV

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scarfy:

yeah i noticed that already. its asking wich channels i actually recieve of the list.. and after that i should run the mythfilldatabase --manual it says going through those channels i selected there one by one asking for some number

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halcyon:

ah ok, well, we return to me being out of my league on this question :D sorry hehe

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scarfy:

hmm ok i'll try some random numbers then meaby that will make it happy :D

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antiPosix:

I use mythtv in ubuntu dapper. everything works great accept for when I have to reboot. I have to manually log in(graphically runlevel 2). and then I have to invoke mythfrontend. How can I have my box work just like a single purpose appliance without the need to log in

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halcyon:

should be able to define that in ... (looking it up)

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halcyon:

System, administration, login window, security

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antiPosix:

nice! thanks

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antiPosix:

that would do an autologin into X, but how would I tell it to start mythfrontend

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halcyon:

you can also add mythfrontend to your session setup (system, preferences... session I think) to have it start automatically

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antiPosix:

perhaps in a .xinitrc?

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halcyon:

whoah, I answered your question before you asked it :D

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antiPosix:

impressive

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halcyon:

do you have mythbackend set up to start automatically?

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antiPosix:

yes, in /etc/init.d/mythbackend

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halcyon:

nice that should do it :D

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antiPosix:

I get my serial receiver tomorrow. I cant wait

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halcyon:

where did you get it?

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_mac:

Hi. Me again. Still having trouble with the Via XVMc support in mythtv 0.20. Just shows a black screen, and sound. Worked fine in 0.19. Got a via CLE 266 board and compiled it with --enable-xvmc --disable-xvmc-opengl.. Help? :)

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_mac:

I might have a possible solution.. the xvmc lib path is wrong when running configure.. setting it manually

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halcyon:

I'd think that'd lead to compile issues, like .. it not compiling.

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_mac:

It found the right libary in 0.19

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_mac:

And its definitally there, so wish me luck :)

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scarfy:

hey another question in the cvs i found a grabber wich is really for my country (so far i tried with a german one) but this one doesn't show in mythv.. can i add this stuff to mythtv i'm running? http://xmltv.cvs.sourceforge.net/xmltv/xmltv/grab/ch/

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|Torg|:

scarfy sorry I was on the phone, to answer you questiosn EIT is a guide that come down (sometimes) with HDTV signals (QAM, ATSC, etc)

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|Torg|:

the issue you are having is the place you are getting the guide info does not have channel info

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|Torg|:

I dont know what you are using but in the US we use a service called DataDirect

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_mac:

scarfy: looking for german speaking channels?

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|Torg|:

you can't tho it does not have any european shannel info

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|Torg|:

so whatever your xmltv is grabbing does not have that info

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|Torg|:

a fix would be to go into the database and add the channels by hand

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scarfy:

yeah no i found an answer to the channel id question in some forum now.. but what i ask myself is xltv has a graber for switzerland but mythtv only shows the german one

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|Torg|:

what is your input? brodcast, sat?

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scarfy:

cabel?

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scarfy:

ah by brodcast you mean with atenna.. no i have cabel

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|Torg|:

what format is your cable?

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scarfy:

you mean Pal?

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|Torg|:

and no you can not use german ones you must have provider info for your area

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|Torg|:

this is analog cable?

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scarfy:

well the germans have almost the same chanells thats why i tried.. but mythtv doesn't show the 2 swiss ones that exist in xmltv

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scarfy:

yes its normal analog cable pal

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|Torg|:

its quite posible you wont get it at all

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|Torg|:

try www.fernsehen.ch

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|Torg|:

if it has your channel lineup then your proobly ok

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_mac:

where do I disable the fading effects in the myth ui?

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scarfy:

line up in what sense?

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Dagmar:

General->Appearance, Paint something-or-other

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|Torg|:

ok for example I am using ATSC broadcast for my area, I use datadirect which has listings for the broadcasters, channel and information

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Dagmar:

It's the first pane of hte menu

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|Torg|:

that is my guide info, luckily where I live is servied by datadirect and they have all the channel info (even if it is someone wrong sometiems)

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|Torg|:

what you are lookign for is all the info, called a lineup (the channels)

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|Torg|:

I dont think whatever your are grabbing gives you that

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Dagmar:

I did libbonobo here, even though it's not supposed to be involved anymore

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scarfy:

hmm

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Dagmar:

wrong channel

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|Torg|:

the website I gave you suposedly has switzerland info, but I cant read it to tell

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gardengnome:

tomimo_: european grabbers do not provide channel lineup information. for analog tv, we've gotta insert the frequency manually.

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jstew:

I <3 ATSC. Just got it working last night after having a PVR-150 for a year :)

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gardengnome:

scarfy: read http://www.mythwiki.de/index.php/HOWTO_Mythfilldatabase

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scarfy:

well but the question is how do i grab it? well yes its the tv programm of switzerland but i can't grab that from mythtv can i?

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|Torg|:

I think gardengnome has your answer, your going to have to put in channel info by hand

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gardengnome:

scarfy: FYI: if you had /join'ed #mythtv-de two hours earlier when i told you it existed, your problems could have been solved by now..

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gambler:

is anyone out there using mythphone?

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|Torg|:

add skye support and I will :)

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scarfy:

thanks gardengnome. although i already was on that site.. didn't help for the specific problem i have.. oh well i go ask the other channel then

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gambler:

|Torg| whats so good about skype?

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jstew:

well gambler what's good about it is that lots of people have it.

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|Torg|:

all the people I know are on it? I dont have a Voip to PSTN account elsewhere?

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gambler:

so it has reached critical mass...is there anything extra special about it technically? Ive only ever used it for IM

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|Torg|:

you could use it for mutiple things, I use mine for when I travel

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|Torg|:

I go overseas allot and the cost of making romain cell calls is rather expensive

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|Torg|:

so I use skype to call my wife when I am in the UK

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|Torg|:

I have a skpyout account so I can use skype on my laptop to call my home phone

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|Torg|:

so that is what is "good" to me

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|Torg|:

and no, myth does not do skype. I dont even know if I would want my tv to start ringing anyway :)

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scarfy:

you can do all that stuff with ekiga aswell |Torg|

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fryfrog:

anyone know what distros have updated their myth packages?

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scarfy:

fedora has

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fryfrog:

spiffy

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gambler:

scarfy: how does ekiga compare to skype?

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jstew:

Gentoo probably has ebuilds by now.

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scarfy:

ekiga and skype is the same thing just that ekiga uses open standarts and skype had to do his own closed standard even though an open one already existed.. so nobody can call into the skype network without paying skype money while all the others you can call in between

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|Torg|:

what do you use for a PSTN gateway?

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jstew:

ekiga uses SIP, right?

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|Torg|:

according to their website, yes

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|Torg|:

so skarfly what do you use for a PSTN gateway?

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scarfy:

ah sry was away trieng stuff

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scarfy:

ah i don't use any pstn at the moment i just use it for online calls.. but ekiga points to a provider they say is good.. never tried it

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|Torg|:

that woudl be my main use of voip anyway, as my wife is less then technically inclined

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scarfy:

yeah i only use it for online calls never had the need for anything else.. i don't call that far over landlines

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Juski_:

well I've hated this workplace enough for one day. time to go home

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jstew:

have a good one juski

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|Torg|:

take care

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Blammo:

anyone here running centos/rhel 4.x for their mythfrontend?

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mr4l:

I have a AverMedia Ultra 1500 MCE need some help getting it to work

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_mac:

where do I disable the fading effects in the myth ui?

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GreyFoxx:

_mac: Setup->Appearance, change the Painter to QT instead of OpenGL

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_mac:

thanks. I did that, but it still happens. Maybe I need to restart frontend for that

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GreyFoxx:

I would think so for that yeah

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_mac:

Okay. Cheers.

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simcop2387:

i kind of like the fading effects, though it'd be nice if it faded between everything and not just the menus

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simcop2387:

well thats something for 0.21!

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mr4l:

I have a AverMedia Ultra 1500 MCE need some help getting it to work

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Dagmar:

The fading works okay on the otehr themes, its just stuttery on GANT

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Dagmar:

I think there's a weird race with the fancy pulsing background

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Juski_:

pulsing background? pfft

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Dagmar:

You didn't notice "mythTV" fading in and out on the left hand side?

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Dagmar:

Or is this just sour grapes because Grayhem muffs up?

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Dagmar:

;)

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sphery:

simcop2387: The fade effect that's there is just the start.

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sphery:

When mythui is done, there will be a library of effects from which themes can choose.

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simcop2387:

nice

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_mac:

damn.

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_mac:

via xvmc is still not running, after a recompile

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Dagmar:

Which one will make live TV video appear when it's supposed to?

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Juski_:

Dagmar: it doesn't muff up

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Dagmar:

:) I'm getting a black screen for many seconds (but I'm getting sound!) about half the time

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Dagmar:

Juski_: You've updated the theme for 0.20 then?

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simcop2387:

Dagmar: get more ram? dunno i've had that issue too but it doesn't seem to be there now in 0.20

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dansmith_:

does the new OpenGL menu stuff help the XvMC OSD issue at all?

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Juski_:

no I still need more testers to line up for it.. I've done all I can

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Dagmar:

simcop2387: I think 768Mb of RAM should damn well be enough

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jstew:

I like the fading too

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simcop2387:

yea thats what i've got

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Juski_:

anyway.. grayhem-wide_1.4 works for me (tm)

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simcop2387:

Juski_: testers for what?

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** _mac still has via xvmc problems.. I found the source of the problems now.. configure says: XvMC libs -lXvMCW .. it doesnt say Via there.. how can I make it detect the apprroiate libary? **

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Dagmar:

Strangely I didn't have any issues with video not coming up with the last SVN I pulled a week ago

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Juski_:

simcop2387: version 2.0 of my themes

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simcop2387:

Juski_: link? i'll test them now

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simcop2387:

well after i'm done playing with mytharchive

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Juski_:

http://www.juski.co.uk/pg/tarballs

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Juski_:

screenshots of faults you find to the email addy in the README.txt and please no moans about the aesthetics ;-)

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Blammo:

running RE: OpenGL, I've found several menus under which the menu's disappear (using Gray-wide which doesn't) .. anyone else seen that?

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Juski_:

Blammo: no base.xml in the theme directory, or the wrong filename specifying the background

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Dagmar:

Blammo: That's what I was having happen with Juski's theme, but the other themes don't do it if you update to the 0.20 themes

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simcop2387:

Juski_: sounds good to me

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Juski_:

Dagmar: I think I might be dropping the 4:3 theme

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Dagmar:

Aspect snobbery

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simcop2387:

Juski_: why? my computer monitor isn't 16:9!

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_mac:

Can anyone help me with XvMc?

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Juski_:

hey the source is there for anyone to pick it up

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Juski_:

I'll even unleash the files I used to composite the whole theme if somebody asks

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simcop2387:

Juski_: looks nice but could it be... you know, not so grey its really not that aesthetically pleasing :)

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Dagmar:

It's probably more pleasing than the homocidal maniac theme I've been working on

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Juski_:

you go & use another blue tinged theme then

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simcop2387:

i'll let you know if i find any problems with it, shouldn't be long now before dvdauthor gets hung up in mytharchive

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Juski_:

hell I don't even like my fucking themes anymore, so figure that one out

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simcop2387:

Juski_: actually i like the dark grey :)

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Dagmar:

We should make one that's one great big goatse, and then people won't complain about aestetics.

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Juski_:

starts out as tinkering around, then it becomes a big lump of WORK :-|

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simcop2387:

Dagmar: too bad you couldn't make it show the goatse after they've been watching tv for a while

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gardengnome:

Dagmar: we could even have a goatse-wide theme!

[17:22:58]

simcop2387:

Juski_: yea thats why i never finished my theme either

[17:23:02]

Juski_:

mythrandomgoatse plugin

[17:23:05]

Dagmar:

simcop2387: Umm... there's popup utils that would be perfect for that

[17:23:28]

Dagmar:

Well, I'm going to get some sleep. I have looked at way too much strace stuff today

[17:23:33]

_mac:

Is there any way to make sure that via xvmc support is compiled it? it doesnt seem to recognize the libary and chooses the default one

[17:23:34]

Dagmar:

Something in the new GNOME is very, very broken

[17:23:46]

simcop2387:

yay! dvd author seems to be doing something this time

[17:23:59]

Juski_:

_mac... I had that problem getting nvidia xvmc to work in umbongo too

[17:24:11]

Dagmar:

I'm going to be up to my elbows in gnome-settings-daemon code later tonight, I just know it

[17:24:22]

_mac:

Juski_: It always detects just "XvMC libs -lXvMCW"

[17:24:30]

_mac:

There should be via in there

[17:24:30]

Juski_:

_mac: yup

[17:24:41]

Juski_:

_mac: I have the solution & I'm trying to find it

[17:24:42]

_mac:

I'm getting deperate :(

[17:24:48]

_mac:

thanks

[17:24:56]

Juski_:

this is why I asked you which libs configure was linking in this morning

[17:25:15]

xris:

hmm, someone just released an hdmi capture card. wonder how long until there are linux drivers. heh.

[17:25:17]

_mac:

Ahh.. well, I found out what you actually meant after taking a look at the configure script

[17:25:21]

simcop2387:

_mac: if its using the same XvMCW as gentoo, then you need a /etc/X11/XvMCConfig or whatever it is

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simcop2387:

_mac: its just a text file that contains the location of the real XvMC library

[17:25:59]

Blammo:

Juski/Dagmar : Thanks – figured it was just the price of early integration. :)

[17:26:04]

_mac:

simcop2387: using ubuntu

[17:26:23]

_mac:

it is supposed to find "libviaXvMC"

[17:26:46]

kormoc:

_mac, toss the output of your ./configure to a pastebin

[17:27:04]

simcop2387:

_mac: googling says that the XvMCW library is the same that gentoo and redhat uses, do this as root; echo "/path/to/libviaXvMC.so" > /etc/X11/XvMCConfig

[17:27:21]

_mac:

Okay, um. Yeah Hold on :)

[17:27:41]

Juski_:

http://www.mythtvtalk.com/forum/viewtopic.php . . . xvmc+wrapper

[17:27:53]

_mac:

kormoc: pastebin:http://pastebin.ca/168061

[17:28:41]

kormoc:

_mac, see line 39, you need to do what simcop2387 is saying, or tell myth to use the via specific one

[17:29:15]

_mac:

thanks

[17:29:15]

_mac:

trying

[17:29:18]

Juski_:

xris: I saw that on the register site today. bet it doesn't do hdcp though

[17:29:19]

simcop2387:

i like the idea of the XvMCW library, makes it easy to upgrade the drivers without breaking all the apps that use XvMC

[17:29:31]

xris:

Juski_: probably not.

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_mac:

Juski_: taking a look at ur link

[17:29:36]

_mac:

*your

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Juski_:

xris: it's a good start though.. and I've already seen (cough) boxen which speak hdcp so the hardware you plug into the other end don't have to ;-)

[17:30:36]

Juski_:

jeees man the mailing list has gone crazy!

[17:30:40]

simcop2387:

Juski_: heh i wondered how long before those'd show up

[17:30:58]

Juski_:

packages? oh please.. beg, beg.. packages for my distro, pweeeeeeeeeeeeeeese

[17:30:58]

_mac:

kormoc: Putting the location into XvMCConfig didnt make configure to find the real libary

[17:31:44]

simcop2387:

_mac: it won't make configure find the real one, it'll make mythfrontend find the real one when it runs

[17:32:00]

Juski_:

oh apparently I won't be upgrading to 0.20 this weekend. I have a new shed to put up instead :-|

[17:32:01]

_mac:

simcop2387: ahh!

[17:32:22]

simcop2387:

_mac: its so that you don't end up statically linking directly to the drivers and having problems when you upgrade the drivers

[17:32:31]

Juski_:

_mac: you're lucky.. with nvidia xvmc it was making X crash

[17:32:36]

simcop2387:

or change graphics cards

[17:32:42]

simcop2387:

Juski_: really? i haven't had that happen

[17:32:59]

_mac:

no luck :(

[17:33:10]

Juski_:

I had it happen, which was how I eventually found the solution (thanks to kormoc I think)

[17:33:12]

_mac:

looking for a logfile.. would that be the frontend or backend?

[17:33:18]

simcop2387:

frontend

[17:33:57]

_mac:

There is nothing in there that looks like an error.. putting it into an pastebin

[17:34:09]

|Torg|:

unless you told mythfrontend to log your best bets are /var/log/messages and ~/.xsession-errors

[17:34:22]

_mac:

I put it into a file

[17:34:24]

Juski_:

minimyth for 0.20 is now available folks.... http://linpvr.org/minimyth/download/test/

[17:34:29]

_mac:

http://pastebin.ca/168069

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simcop2387:

Juski_: nice

[17:36:13]

_mac:

I must be missing something obvious here.. it worked fine with 0.19

[17:36:40]

Juski_:

when I've got it all upgraded I'm SO gonna send that guy some beer money

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** Juski_ ponders announcing the release of his 2.0 projectgrayhem themes anyway... **

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Juski_:

ach to hell with it. they work fine here (tm)

[17:38:01]

** _mac tries a verbose output **

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simcop2387:

_mac: hmm thats weird, you might have to try telling configure to link directly to the libs, Juski_ posted a link that i think said how

[17:38:28]

_mac:

simcop2387: actually the current compile I am doing does specifically that

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_mac:

I told it to link to the via .so

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_mac:

is there any way I can verify what it currently links to?

[17:40:06]

Juski_:

hey btw simcop2387 ... you'd never have liked the original grayhem themes.. they were much darker than the 2.0 ones

[17:40:25]

simcop2387:

Juski_: heh, too dark is a problem sometimes :)

[17:40:40]

simcop2387:

sweet mytharchive just finished :)

[17:41:51]

_mac:

The command line parameter I passed to xvmc lib was -lviaXvMC

[17:42:28]

Juski_:

I think there are still some gamma issues to clear up. I fixed an issue with mythweather last night in the wide theme, so all _should_ be well. no missing files AFAIK

[17:42:38]

Blammo:

Juski_: Just wanted to say I love the Gray-wide theme, thanks for your work. Doing an wide-OSD any time soon? :)

[17:43:01]

Juski_:

Blammo: very tempted to get out of theming altogether sometimes, so we'll see

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Juski_:

doing themes is one thing.. maintaining em & keeping on top of changes in the UI is something else

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_mac:

Which myth libary is responsible for linking to the approriate xvmc libary? maybe libmyth?

[17:44:46]

Juski_:

wait til you see the mythtv case badges I've got coming soon :)

[17:47:38]

_mac:

Juski_: you moved libXvMC* out of /usr/lib ?

[17:47:45]

_mac:

making it recognize your "real" driver?

[17:47:52]

Duke4604:

I have a Motorola DCT-6412 and I notice that I sometimes need to "prime" the firewire port... this seems very wrong to have to do this. Has anyone had this problem? If so, has anyone been able to have a stable firewire connection to a firewire port without having to prime it?

[17:47:53]

Juski_:

_mac: pretty much

[17:48:41]

Duke4604:

I found the Firewire_Priming guide in the Mythtv wiki...

[17:48:41]

Duke4604:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Firewire_Priming

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_mac:

Juski_: that actually worked.. do you know by chance what part of myth I need to recompile to make it change the link to xvmc? I dont want to wait one full hour again

[17:50:38]

Duke4604:

If I recall, you should recompile the the libraries

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_mac:

meaing libmyth?

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antiPosix:

does the hauppauge PVR350 have video composite output?

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Duke4604:

_mac yes sir

[17:51:02]

_mac:

Thanks

[17:51:09]

** _mac crosses his fingers.. 6th compile now **

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Duke4604:

_mac: But when in doubt, rebuild all....

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_mac:

ldd on libmyth should actually tell what xvmc it is linked against

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_mac:

hm

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Duke4604:

antiPosix: :yes

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Duke4604:

antiPosix: : not component output — very different

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antiPosix:

does the PVR 250 have composite out?

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GreyFoxx:

antiPosix: the pvr 250 is input only

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GreyFoxx:

the 350 is the only pvr card with outputs

[17:54:17]

mr4l:

I have a AverMedia Ultra 1500 MCE need some help getting it to work ??

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antiPosix:

can mythtv and linux take advantage of the outputs on the 350

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GreyFoxx:

antiPosix: Yes

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GreyFoxx:

Though the support for the 350's mpeg decoder might be going away

[17:54:49]

antiPosix:

can it be used as the systems primary video output?

[17:55:00]

GreyFoxx:

There is an X driver for it, so yes

[17:55:07]

GreyFoxx:

but you still require a video card physically in there

[17:55:08]

antiPosix:

for instance, can I see the boot screen on a television

[17:55:12]

GreyFoxx:

no

[17:55:14]

antiPosix:

oh, only though X

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GreyFoxx:

yes

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Juski_:

bootin blind til X.. not nice

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Duke4604:

antiPosix: : Personally, I think using a video card for output is much easier to deal with.

[17:58:26]

Juski:

and when the opengl 'bling' arrives in mythtv, you'd miss out on it all with a pvr350 anyway

[17:58:28]

Duke4604:

antiPosix: : and I own a pvr350

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Duke4604:

Juski: :I was just playing with opengl menus last night — in Myth 0.20

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Juski:

disadvantages: no digital audio output for your home theatre amplifier. no xvid/divx/mp3 audio output from the card meaning you need to loop the pvr350 audio out into your soundcard line input

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Juski:

Duke4604: software opengl? eew

[18:00:27]

Duke4604:

Juski: :hehe — well it looks smooth to me. I like the new eye candy.

[18:01:19]

Duke4604:

Juski: :actually, I think its just using opengl libs which are tied into the hardware accel on my nVidia card.

[18:01:22]

Juski:

pizzatime (yay)

[18:03:30]

|Torg|:

can anyone think of a reason powerstrip on windows can see a mode that X11 claims to be to big for the screen? I cant get 1920x1080 to work right

[18:03:45]

Duke4604:

antiPosix: :If your TV doesn't have a TV-out, you then can use http://www.smarthome.com/777060.html this device to convert. It has very good output

[18:04:06]

Duke4604:

antiPosix: :even better than most Component-out on video cards.

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Duke4604:

|Torg|: :It could be that your video driver does not support the mode...

[18:06:34]

|Torg|:

my video griver can support way over that mode

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|Torg|:

I belive ti to be X11's intrepretation of the EDID

[18:08:25]

_mac:

Ahh

[18:08:29]

_mac:

got a link error

[18:08:44]

Duke4604:

|Torg|: : okay... perhaps use NoEDID = true option ?? to prevent detection and force the mode.

[18:09:05]

|Torg|:

oh I tried that, X crashes claiming there are no modes

[18:09:13]

|Torg|:

even when I implictly make modelines

[18:10:42]

_mac:

root@pvr:/usr/lib# ldd /usr/local/lib/libmyth-0.20.so|grep Xv

[18:10:42]

_mac:

libXv.so.1 => /usr/lib/libXv.so.1 (0xb7a94000)

[18:10:42]

_mac:

libviaXvMC.so.1 => /usr/lib/libviaXvMC.so.1 (0xb7a81000)

[18:10:44]

_mac:

Yay.

[18:11:45]

|Torg|:

(WW) NVIDIA(0): Mode "ATSC-1080–60i" is too large for JVC HD-61Z575A (DFP-0);

[18:11:45]

|Torg|:

(WW) NVIDIA(0): discarding.

[18:11:45]

|Torg|:

(WW) NVIDIA(0): Mode "ATSC-1080–59.94i" is too large for JVC HD-61Z575A

[18:11:45]

|Torg|:

(WW) NVIDIA(0): (DFP-0); discarding.

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simcop2387:

ignoreEDID

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|Torg|:

iming recommendation #1.... 1920x540 at 60Hz

[18:11:59]

|Torg|:

Modeline................ "1920x540" 74.250 1920 2008 2052 2200 540 542 547 562 +hsync +vsync

[18:11:59]

|Torg|:

Timing recommendation #2.... 1920x1080 at 30Hz

[18:11:59]

|Torg|:

Modeline................ "1920x1080" 74.250 1920 2008 2052 2200 1080 1084 1094 1124 interlace +hsync +vsync

[18:12:37]

enyc:

Cooo!!!

[18:12:38]

enyc:

erm

[18:13:02]

enyc:

Does ignoreEDID mean 'ignore autodetected freqency limits' on NVIDIA?

[18:13:38]

|Torg|:

its depricated but yes

[18:13:56]

|Torg|:

what you want is "UseEDID" "False"

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** enyc was having much hassle w/ xorg 7.0 in ubuntu dapper and Nvidia binary driver and new NVIDIA card not working at the desired frequency.. its been told monitor can do 28–92 kHz and 30–120 hz and it should be ablo to find the same via VGA pin 12/15 Data/Clock anyway..... **

[18:14:30]

Duke4604:

|Torg|: Can you get 1280x720 working

[18:14:35]

|Torg|:

yes

[18:14:37]

simcop2387:

thats the one, its been a while since i tried it :)

[18:14:38]

|Torg|:

its my default

[18:15:11]

enyc:

it runs at 1280x1024 ... but it only runs at 74hz when it can and should do 85hz (as it always used to on a prevois nvidia card that died a capacitor-death)

[18:15:40]

enyc:

(1280x1024 'gtf' 85hz == 91.something kHz, in spec...)

[18:15:58]

** _mac has news **

[18:16:03]

_mac:

mythfrontend segfaults now

[18:16:04]

_mac:

Yay.

[18:16:10]

simcop2387:

enyc: hmm haven't had one die from that yet, though i had one die from a bad eeprom :)

[18:16:10]

enyc:

|Torg|: do you think I should try "UseEDID" "False" setting ?

[18:16:16]

simcop2387:

_mac: fun

[18:16:22]

|Torg|:

run "X --verbose 10 > X.log 2>&1"

[18:16:29]

_mac:

I think I know why.

[18:16:29]

|Torg|:

read that and it will tell you what EDID does

[18:16:41]

|Torg|:

and yes enyc I have, and it will result in no screen and X exitring

[18:16:43]

_mac:

it actually needs the libaries I moved away

[18:16:47]

enyc:

|Torg|: right... ill copy this all to email to mysely and try tomorrew... THANKYOU! ;-)

[18:17:00]

|Torg|:

_mac: take the dumpo from it, run gdb agsint it and see why it segfaulted

[18:17:19]

_mac:

Arent the symbols stripped away from libmyth?

[18:17:39]

|Torg|:

you just compiled mythfrontend, right?

[18:17:43]

Duke4604:

_mac: :XvMC for nvidia is supplied by nVidia, but Myth has code that uses those interfaces...

[18:17:50]

_mac:

Just libmyth

[18:17:54]

_mac:

to change xvmc libary

[18:18:05]

|Torg|:

did you strip the library after you compiled it?

[18:18:17]

_mac:

no, but the make file does it if I have observed it correcly

[18:18:23]

enyc:

simcop2387: ive had allsorts capacitor-failure'ed

[18:18:33]

|Torg|:

oph well comment that out so it dosnt it wil lamke a hugh binary but you can debug it

[18:18:46]

|Torg|:

enyc where do you live?

[18:18:52]

enyc:

simcop2387: mostly in machines with bad power supplies or bad cooling-layouts

[18:18:56]

enyc:

|Torg|: UK/england

[18:18:56]

_mac:

This is SOOO a bitch

[18:19:10]

|Torg|:

are you hooking this stright to teh grid, faild caps are from overvoltage

[18:19:27]

enyc:

|Torg|: no........ on the secondary side...

[18:19:41]

enyc:

|Torg|: you normally have X-rated capaitors on mains side

[18:19:46]

|Torg|:

yes well it would help if you fiterd the input from a battery backup too

[18:20:08]

enyc:

|Torg|: heh... inverter Capacitor-failed ;-)

[18:20:17]

enyc:

|Torg|: Power supply arc/failed...

[18:20:37]

enyc:

|Torg|: 3 phase on a PCB arced across (lightning)

[18:20:46]

enyc:

|Torg|: ive seen allsorts ;-)

[18:21:00]

|Torg|:

well you aint gona fix lighting problems, other then maybe to move :)

[18:21:03]

enyc:

|Torg|: I must go in a min, actually

[18:21:06]

enyc:

|Torg|: I know ;-)

[18:21:12]

** _mac waits 20 minutes again to let it compile **

[18:21:14]

Juski:

electrolytics (like those used as reservoirs in SMPSUs) can dry out & eventually fail

[18:21:35]

enyc:

Juski: seen that... particuarly "Startup" cap and 5vSB reservior

[18:21:59]

enyc:

Juski: but also general failure in the case of severe-overheat e.g Fan stopped

[18:22:11]

enyc:

Juski: with fishy smell everywhere ;-)

[18:22:31]

Duke4604:

Wow... your guys caps have fans on top of them?

[18:22:31]

Juski:

most cheap PSUs only use caps rated to 85'C.. which means that they don't last as long as they might do under ideal conditions

[18:22:32]

|Torg|:

if you have overheating problems expect eveything to fail, heat will eventualy kill everything

[18:22:48]

|Torg|:

and its insidious, it wont kill it now....just wait

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Duke4604:

Would that make you propeller heads? :-)

[18:23:33]

Juski:

cheap PSUs also don't have fan failure sensors normally either..

[18:23:49]

Juski:

so the 1st thing you know about the fan(s) failing is the PSU going pop

[18:24:31]

|Torg|:

Ill never understand why people buy $500 video cards, and $500 CPUS and put them into $80 cases with cheap PSU's and hardly and cooling

[18:24:47]

Juski:

because fools & money are easily parted?

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enyc:

heh

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Juski:

IMHO people who buy $500 video cards deserve all they get anyway

[18:25:38]

enyc:

erm these powerline adapter things'' have 85'o'C cap right againts-s the transformer that faul

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Juski:

enyc: most stuff has a design life of 5 years unofficially

[18:26:13]

Juski:

if you get any more than that it's good going

[18:26:16]

enyc:

I have to change them for 105oC caps on longer leads glued to back of RJ45 socket AWAY from the transformer

[18:26:18]

|Torg|:

Juski who told you that :)

[18:26:23]

enyc:

anyway I must go ;-)

[18:26:25]

enyc:

talk later ;-)

[18:26:27]

enyc:

meepmeep ;-)

[18:26:35]

enyc:

thankyou for ideas |Torg|

[18:26:37]

enyc:

bye ;-)

[18:26:38]

Juski:

laters, enyc

[18:26:47]

|Torg|:

np if you need help just email me

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Juski:

|Torg|: everyone who works in the same industry as I do has told me. plus if you look at the ratings for components & their derating curves you can work it out by yourself

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|Torg|:

Ok well I deal in Harddrives, actauly do consuting to the companies that make them. i can tell you at least in teh chips for drives they are meant to last for 2 years, most will go 10. The media is meant to last for 2 as well

[18:28:31]

Juski:

HDD manufacturers have told me (WD, Maxtor & seagate) their stuff is considered lucky to last 5 years

[18:28:49]

|Torg|:

their main goal is to reduce MTBF but it cant happen much on a thing that has moving parts that ppl shake the hell out of

[18:28:56]

Juski:

lol true

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|Torg|:

btw the three compnies you listed have all their drives made by the same company

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|Torg|:

Seagate is recient but WD's and Maxtors have been made by that one company for abour 5 years now

[18:30:09]

Juski:

Maxtor has been absorbed by Seagate & will be disappearing as a brand in due course

[18:30:21]

|Torg|:

I have persoannl;y witnessed the creation fo Seagates, and can tell you the quality of them has sifferd greatly

[18:30:50]

|Torg|:

specifcly the monitoring to quality controll had to be widend to support the seagate designs

[18:31:08]

Juski:

yeah well wherever the media is made, we see less than 1.15% dropout in products as old as 5 years old

[18:31:30]

|Torg|:

the media is made in a differnt place then the driv arms, heads and trays

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Juski:

the manufacturers have all told us that's bloody good going for someone who sells products containing HDDs

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|Torg|:

all I can tel you is what I ahve seen

[18:32:32]

jstew:

well what about high end scsi drives?

[18:32:39]

Juski:

all HDD makers have had their ups & downs

[18:32:40]

|Torg|:

there much better made

[18:32:51]

|Torg|:

there also abotu 3x the cost

[18:33:12]

jstew:

yeah.

[18:33:16]

Juski:

better tolerances, better materials.. much bigger margins in ratings...

[18:33:18]

|Torg|:

you coudl go with the SATA which are much better then IDE (on the general grand scheme of things) but SCSI drives fail less

[18:33:23]

jstew:

its money well spent if you have a server though

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|Torg|:

just like Juski said

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|Torg|:

but also it dpends ont he size

[18:33:50]

jstew:

Half of the cost of our last server purchase was drives.

[18:33:50]

Juski:

smaller densities tends to keep the failure rates down

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|Torg|:

9G and 18G are the same drive, as are 36 and 72G the 144G drives are about as failure prone as the IDE drives tho

[18:34:22]

|Torg|:

depens on speed and plant, the 10K drives are more stabel then 15K and agsin depend on lot

[18:34:22]

kormoc:

|Torg|, so if all those companys have a 3ed party make their drives for them, who is this 3ed party? and why do they each claim to run and create their own drives by themselves?

[18:34:27]

Juski:

a lot of sata drives are just ide drives with a sata-ide bridge chip on em

[18:34:45]

|Torg|:

most of the higher end, faster drives that have issues tho are tracked, menaing when they find more then a few that are bad the companies go out and replace all of them anyway

[18:34:55]

|Torg|:

so it would be hard for the to tell you the truue mortality rate

[18:35:00]

jstew:

10k is still pretty darn fast

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fryfrog:

xris: http://www.engadget.com/2006/09/12/blackmagic . . . -express-ca/

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fryfrog:

is that what you were talking about earlier?

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xris:

yes

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Juski:

fryfrog: yup

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fryfrog:

that would make many of my dreams come true

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** Juski wonders how many ricers have yet to discover their HDDs are being hindered by as much as 15% slowdown due to rotational vibration from adjacent drives in their standard boxen... **

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kormoc:

Juski, all of them?

[18:36:40]

** SlicerDicer- wonders about this new iTV thingy frm apple if it will be nice for myth **

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fryfrog:

I could get a pair of the shitty comcast hd units, and simply get a DVI -> HDMI cable

[18:37:07]

Juski:

HDD cages are about the most unsuitable places for HDDs you can think of without suspending em on elastic bands in free space

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Juski:

as far as standard boxes go anyway

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xris:

SlicerDicer-: well, it's not a full blown machine, and for $300 would be hard pressed to push out 1080i.. might connect to mythmusic via bonjour, though

[18:37:57]

SlicerDicer-:

xris: umm depends on the gpu eh? not the cpu as much?

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fryfrog:

Juski: why not some rubber isolation type mounts?

[18:38:13]

SlicerDicer-:

so it could be rather inexpensive and still push hdtv if done right? I think

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|Torg|:

actully I do that now with an DVi to HDMI cable

[18:38:37]

xris:

SlicerDicer-: depends on the driver.

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Juski:

fryfrog: rubber isolation mounts can be good if you have the hardware to determine you're using the right kind of mounting

[18:38:38]

fryfrog:

you *record* it?

[18:38:44]

kormoc:

|Torg|, to capture?

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xris:

SlicerDicer-: it's $300

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xris:

fryfrog: yes

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SlicerDicer-:

xris: yeah

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|Torg|:

no I capture with dual ATSC tuners

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fryfrog:

|Torg|: I use it to send video -> TV

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fryfrog:

|Torg|: I'm talking about that card linked above, which has HDMI *inputs*

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kormoc:

|Torg|, yeah, he was talking about capturing from the hdmi ports

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|Torg|:

use I use a nvdia card wqith DVI out -> DVI TV

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xris:

fryfrog: yes.

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SlicerDicer-:

xris: bummer :/

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Juski:

fryfrog: this is why manufacturers who care about reliability consult with HDD manufacturers & have them test their hardware ;-)

[18:40:09]

xris:

SlicerDicer-: it wouldn't likely be able to replace mythfrontend — likely flashram-based OS, hard to upgrade, run linux, etc.

[18:40:17]

xris:

but might interface with mythmusic/mythvideo via bonjour

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SlicerDicer-:

xris: /me hurls at the thought of that

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xris:

it's just a glorified media extender, not a full computer.

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xris:

think of it like an airport express on steroids. heh

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SlicerDicer-:

hehe

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opello:

just call it a thin client and be done with it? heh

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SlicerDicer-:

xris: the airport has a what 333mhz AMD cpu eh?

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SlicerDicer-:

;-)

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** SlicerDicer- pushes data through that like a motha and makes HDTV explode **

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_mac:

Aaaaaaaaaaargh

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_mac:

Still segfault.

[18:44:00]

feld:

Has anyone tried the new Nvidia dual tuner card?

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feld:

will there / is there Linux support? does anyone know it exists?

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stuarta:

feld: suggest looking on linuxdvb.org

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|Torg|:

mac did it give you a core?

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feld:

wasnt aware of that site; i'll check it out later. thx stuarta

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_mac:

No coredump.. the kernel is probably not configured

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_mac:

but I am on the right track I think

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|Torg|:

sorta hard to debug a segfault without one, ya know :)

[18:45:19]

_mac:

it has to do with the via xvmc .so

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_mac:

I need configure to recognize the correct one

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_mac:

And my problems are gone

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feld:

i usually save my coredumps in the /dev/null/ folder

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_mac:

|Torg|: are you a mythtv dev?

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|Torg|:

run ldd on it and see what it says

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|Torg|:

no mac what gave you that idea :)

[18:46:47]

_mac:

ok :)

[18:47:07]

_mac:

my main problem is that configure says XvMC libs -lXvMCW .. it needs to be -lviaXvMCW

[18:47:20]

_mac:

setting the command line switch doenst work, it still links it against the default driver

[18:47:22]

_mac:

(accoridng to ldd)

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|Torg|:

ok go change the makefile then

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Juski:

feld: I doubt the nvidia tuner will work in Linux now or for a very long time. if you mean the dual analogue hardware encoding one, they're using a chip from a manufacturer who only release the documentation when you sign a nondisclosure agreement & hand over $15,000 for a development kit :(

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stuarta:

feld: also linuxtv.org

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_mac:

hm, I removed the default

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_mac:

Lets see

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** stuarta goes to whip up some fried rice.... **

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_mac:

however.. does it need to link against the default xvmc lib? I am not sure

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|Torg|:

I dont know whats int he libs but if you get a redefine error probabbly not

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halcyon:

mmm fried rice

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_mac:

root@pvr:~/tmp/mythtv-0.20/libs/libmyth# ldd libmyth-0.20.so|grep Xv

[18:49:46]

_mac:

libXv.so.1 => /usr/lib/libXv.so.1 (0xb7b0e000)

[18:49:46]

_mac:

libXvMCW.so.1 => /usr/lib/libXvMCW.so.1 (0xb7b01000)

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_mac:

I dont understand that

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_mac:

I removed that from the makefile

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_mac:

it still links against it

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** Juski does Vegas again **

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Juski:

oops that sounded like goatse

[18:50:24]

jstew:

mac, do you have an /etc/X11/XvMCConfig file?

[18:50:29]

feld:

Juski: what a coincidence. I just found $15,000 in my pants pocket this morning

[18:50:32]

_mac:

jstew: I do, by now..

[18:50:51]

_mac:

jstew: it just has the full ptah of the lib I am using, right?

[18:50:52]

jstew:

I had a problem with that, only to discover that my config file got bown away by an X upgrade :(

[18:51:02]

feld:

I also know how to steal an identity and forge a signature on a non-disclosure agreement. the world will be ours! MUAHAHAHAHA

[18:51:04]

jstew:

Not the full path, only the name of the lib

[18:51:08]

_mac:

OH!

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_mac:

THANKS!

[18:51:09]

kleptophobiac2:

biking in the rain with balding tires, old brakes, and narrow wheels sucks

[18:51:23]

feld:

kleptophobiac2: sounds like one hell of a ride

[18:51:31]

Juski:

feld: there are loads of these startups doing media codecs now & trying to cash in on OEM deals. What it'd need is the kind of effort thats gone into the ivtv project

[18:51:41]

feld:

ivtv rules

[18:51:43]

feld:

agreed there

[18:51:52]

kleptophobiac2:

it's definitely a white knuckle experience when you have to avoid cars

[18:52:00]

kleptophobiac2:

and you know your brakes are basically worthless

[18:52:04]

Juski:

and that is one fuckload of effort those ivtv guys have put in :)

[18:52:36]

jstew:

white knuckle is driving through detroit on 75 in a blizzard.

[18:53:01]

jstew:

696 can be scary too

[18:53:12]

kleptophobiac2:

696 is the one that's basically a canal system, yes?

[18:53:14]

Juski:

feld: but – and it's a big but.. if there are windows drivers for the MCE API it could be reverse-figured-out... it's 'just' figuring it all out that'd take the time

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** _mac loves segfaults by now **

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kleptophobiac2:

i go to detroit every year for xmas

[18:53:56]

** _mac thinks segfaults are much more sexier than his girlfriend **

[18:54:04]

feld:

Juski: ndiswrapper that bi0tch lol ewwww....

[18:54:14]

jstew:

yeah

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kleptophobiac2:

i do have a myth related inquiry though

[18:54:27]

** kormoc thinks _mac needs to see a shrink **

[18:54:28]

** feld thinks his gf is a segfault **

[18:54:46]

jstew:

Its scary going in and out of those tunnels during the bright summer afternoon.

[18:54:46]

feld:

every time i come home she kernel panics

[18:54:51]

kleptophobiac2:

Could not find a value in the database for the MythVideo directory for this hostname (mythbe01). Please update your <a href="/mythweb/settings/mythweb">settings</a> to point to the correct location.

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kleptophobiac2:

that location it's pointing me to does not exist

[18:55:04]

_mac:

I think jstew 's suggestion might do the trick

[18:55:13]

jstew:

I think it will too :)

[18:55:13]

Juski:

<wife yabber jabber jabber> == blokey goes "aha.. hmmm mmm... yes dear... ahhhaa... really? oh... yes dear..."

[18:55:26]

_mac:

Do you know the issue that everything is black, and just sound?

[18:55:32]

_mac:

@jstew

[18:55:33]

jstew:

nope.

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|Torg|:

very dark movies?

[18:55:47]

jstew:

I only have nvidia xvmc though,

[18:55:49]

kleptophobiac2:

anybody using nvidia 6150 chipset?

[18:55:50]

|Torg|:

you forgot to pul in the tv?

[18:55:56]

opello:

night time

[18:55:59]

_mac:

hot segfault sex orgies!

[18:56:00]

kormoc:

_mac, it's a known issue, that's fixed in 0.20-fixes iirc

[18:56:10]

_mac:

kormoc: you are telling me that now?

[18:56:11]

_mac:

thanks

[18:56:13]

_mac:

where do I get it??

[18:56:19]

kormoc:

_mac, svn.mythtv.org

[18:56:21]

_mac:

Ahh

[18:56:23]

_mac:

svgn version

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opello:

there's already a -fixes, wow

[18:56:34]

** _mac dances **

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kormoc:

opello, when 0.20 was spawned, -fixes was spawned as well :P

[18:56:45]

opello:

kormoc: ah :)

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_mac:

So i just need to check svn out

[18:56:53]

_mac:

And compile it AGAIN

[18:57:09]

kormoc:

_mac, check out -fixes, not trunk :P

[18:57:19]

_mac:

can you give me directions how to do that

[18:57:27]

Juski:

ahh so that minimyth release that's just been put out will have to be done again.. whoops

[18:57:29]

_mac:

I mean, copy it over the 0.20 release?

[18:57:41]

kormoc:

_mac, same way you did the 0.20

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kormoc:

here's the changes http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/log/branches/release-0-20-fixes

[18:57:49]

jstew:

so -fixes is just basically a copy of .20 until there are fixes huh? cool.

[18:58:02]

kormoc:

jstew, there's a handful of fixes already :P

[18:58:08]

_mac:

Is there a wiki page how to access the svn.. I only used cvs so far :)

[18:58:17]

jstew:

I better get -fixes tonight then

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halcyon:

_mac: svn.mythtv.org

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jstew:

My wife is gonna hate me.... lol

[18:58:38]

Juski:

she already does

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jstew:

....but I just have to get these fixes from SVN... <dirty look>

[18:59:06]

kormoc:

remember, the first hit is free

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_mac:

so All I do is svn co http://svn.mythtv.org/svn/branches/release-0-20-fixes/mythtv

[18:59:16]

Juski:

(said something in martian).. <dirty look>

[18:59:27]

halcyon:

yeah

[18:59:30]

jstew:

hehe

[18:59:49]

jstew:

To me it's like the teacher in the peanuts cartoons... whaa wa wa wha whaa whaaaa

[18:59:53]

Juski:

"I don't care. just fix my TV!!!!" <even dirtier look>

[18:59:53]

_mac:

I already told my gf that I would be updating mythtv in the next 72 hours

[18:59:55]

_mac:

So no time for her

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jstew:

and no sex for you...

[19:00:17]

kleptophobiac2:

seems i am unable to compile with XvMC

[19:00:24]

Juski:

or worse still... "where did you put the VCR? bring it back in here NOW"

[19:00:34]

jstew:

haha

[19:00:47]

_mac:

jstew: a working mythtv box is more important than sex.

[19:00:51]

kleptophobiac2:

http://pastebin.ca/168143

[19:00:57]

_mac:

I can have Sex anytime I want, but the recorded shows are missing!

[19:01:00]

_mac:

(lol)

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kormoc:

_mac, that's good, cause at this rate, you won't have a girlfriend in 72 hours

[19:01:04]

** Juski sends _mac to the psychiatrist **

[19:01:19]

kleptophobiac2:

this is on a box with nvidia 6150 and hte proprietary drivers

[19:01:24]

kleptophobiac2:

i just can't make it compile xvmc

[19:01:26]

_mac:

Oh I will. Since mythtv is "girlfriend ready"

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kleptophobiac2:

*with xvmc

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_mac:

kormoc: do you have details what was broken on the black screen issue?

[19:01:49]

kormoc:

kleptophobiac2, well, that's simple, just add the -fix-the-problem-that-you-decided-to-not-share-with-us flag

[19:02:00]

kormoc:

_mac, not at all, I just recall hearing that it was fixed in -fixes

[19:02:09]

_mac:

I pray you are right

[19:02:12]

kormoc:

_mac, I actually haven't upgraded to 0.20 yet

[19:02:15]

kleptophobiac2:

kormoc – what do you need to know? i thought i shared the pertinent information

[19:02:20]

kormoc:

so take with a grain of salt

[19:02:31]

jstew:

did you just install the proprietary drivers kleptophobiac2?

[19:02:36]

kormoc:

kleptophobiac2, ooh, I donno, say, the logs that say what went wrong?

[19:02:45]

jstew:

what does ldonfig -v | grep -i xvmc look like?

[19:02:54]

jstew:

ldconfig*

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kleptophobiac2:

like the pastebin i linked

[19:03:07]

kormoc:

kleptophobiac2, ooh? I missed seeing that, sorry

[19:03:14]

kleptophobiac2:

:p

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kleptophobiac2:

[root@mythfe01 mythtv]# ldconfig -v | grep -i xvmc

[19:03:22]

kleptophobiac2:

libXvMC.so.1 -> libXvMC.so.1.0.0

[19:03:22]

kleptophobiac2:

libXvMCNVIDIA_dynamic.so.1 -> libXvMCNVIDIA.so.1.0.8774

[19:03:22]

kleptophobiac2:

libXvMCW.so.1 -> libXvMCW.so.1.0.0

[19:03:27]

kleptophobiac2:

so it's there

[19:03:43]

jstew:

yeah, it's there.

[19:03:44]

kleptophobiac2:

and i pointed it specifically to the nvidia lib

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_mac:

kleptophobiac2: join the xvmc-club. Just because you can compile doesnt mean it will actually work :)

[19:04:45]

kleptophobiac2:

it'd be nice to try it at least

[19:04:52]

jstew:

heh I FINALLY got mine to work nicely, after putting up with stuttering, then not working at all just recently.

[19:04:53]

kleptophobiac2:

i'm trying to drive using component 1080i

[19:05:08]

kleptophobiac2:

so having xvmc opengl sync would be very nice

[19:05:16]

kleptophobiac2:

and it *should* compile

[19:05:19]

kleptophobiac2:

i had it compiling with .19

[19:06:10]

_mac:

When xvmc is working here, maybe I should call gf to tell her that I fixed xvmc and she can come over now

[19:06:38]

kleptophobiac2:

but what might cause the compile failure?

[19:06:50]

jstew:

you are crazy mac

[19:07:04]

Juski:

tell her that a meal has been prepared & the lights have been turned down. And that you're sorry for neglecting her :-P

[19:07:05]

_mac:

No, just being sarcastic.. I have been working on this xvmc issue for 48 hours

[19:07:07]

_mac:

:)

[19:07:08]

jstew:

trying to link in the wrong or a missing lib.

[19:07:10]

|Torg|:

what do you mean bugs, it compiled just fine

[19:07:16]

jstew:

That's a linking failure

[19:07:33]

|Torg|:

compiles fail because of bad code, what failed?

[19:07:51]

jstew:

When you say you "pointed" the library what do you mean kleptophobiac2?

[19:07:56]

kleptophobiac2:

http://pastebin.ca/168143

[19:08:02]

kleptophobiac2:

jstew – just a moment

[19:08:07]

Juski:

right time to watch some mythtv

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kleptophobiac2:

http://pastebin.ca/168154

[19:08:26]

_mac:

ok I got .20-fixes .. now lets recompile mythlib

[19:08:29]

_mac:

and PRAY

[19:08:35]

ymousset:

Hi Guys, I'll try and make it an intelligent question: I have Gentoo 2.6.17-r7 with mythtv r.19 and a Hauppauge PVR-150. I can watch Live TV no problem, but when I schedule recording, ie: 19h00 to 19h30, myth tv starts and stops the recording at 7h00 and no "recording" is made, although it shows in the "recorded" list. (sorry for the long question...)

[19:08:43]

|Torg|:

../../libs/libavcodec/libmythavcodec-0.20.so: undefined reference to `XvMCLoadQMatrix'

[19:08:43]

|Torg|:

../../libs/libavcodec/libmythavcodec-0.20.so: undefined reference to `XvMCBeginSurface'

[19:08:43]

|Torg|:

../../libs/libmythtv/libmythtv-0.20.so: undefined reference to `XvMCPutSlice2'

[19:08:53]

|Torg|:

thats your problem

[19:09:04]

kleptophobiac2:

yes, but why is it undefined?

[19:09:07]

ymousset:

sorry, make that: starts at 19h00 and stops at 19h00...

[19:09:13]

jstew:

Hmm... just try compiling it without telling it about nvidia, then let your XvMCConfig do the rest.

[19:09:16]

|Torg|:

like like jstew said tho its a linking error, it could not find what it watned in the supplied libs

[19:09:17]

_mac:

your libary may be the wrong version

[19:09:33]

|Torg|:

your missing headder files

[19:10:01]

|Torg|:

i.e. the libmythtv-0.20.so is linked so as some of its calls refernce another libraies

[19:10:05]

jstew:

That looks more like a linker error than a header error to me torg

[19:10:19]

|Torg|:

in all the libraries you gave it, the linker could not find those three

[19:10:33]

|Torg|:

when it coudl nto find it, the calls in the libariy becasme invalid

[19:10:49]

_mac:

The xvmc stuff is handled in libmyth, right?

[19:10:50]

|Torg|:

calling an undefned route in C is a major fault and your compile stops becase of it

[19:11:04]

|Torg|:

its like sayding to you to go find library LSADF*)&_*()

[19:11:09]

jstew:

lol

[19:11:14]

|Torg|:

since it makes no sence to you, you can not follow it, neither can the linker

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FinnTux:

hey all

[19:11:51]

kleptophobiac2:

alright, i'm dropping to a lower init level

[19:11:55]

kleptophobiac2:

reinstalling the nvidia driver

[19:11:59]

kleptophobiac2:

just to make sure i have the newest libs

[19:12:00]

|Torg|:

init -1

[19:12:01]

_mac:

Hi Linus

[19:12:23]

kleptophobiac2:

then i'm going to see what library the configure script picks up on its own

[19:12:27]

kleptophobiac2:

and try it again

[19:12:35]

jstew:

yeah, and seriously there's not reason to point ./configure to the vnicia xvmc libs.

[19:12:50]

jstew:

thats nvidia

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kleptophobiac2:

on its own

[19:14:15]

kleptophobiac2:

the configure script doesn't pick up the nvidia libs

[19:14:19]

kleptophobiac2:

but rather

[19:14:19]

kleptophobiac2:

XvMC libs -lXvMCW

[19:14:44]

_mac:

kleptophobiac2: that is perfectly fine ( I know that by now)

[19:15:04]

kleptophobiac2:

and then it doesn't enable xvmc-opengl

[19:15:09]

jstew:

hmm...

[19:15:10]

kleptophobiac2:

which i specifically enabled on the configure line

[19:15:29]

kleptophobiac2:

which i think is contingent on using xvmcnvidia

[19:15:56]

jstew:

You get an error if you enable opengl without specifying your lib?

[19:16:08]

kleptophobiac2:

no error, it just disables it

[19:16:12]

kleptophobiac2:

xvmc opengl

[19:16:16]

jstew:

odd.

[19:16:17]

kleptophobiac2:

opengl vsync will stay on

[19:16:21]

jstew:

yeah.

[19:16:25]

jstew:

that ^^

[19:16:42]

kleptophobiac2:

./configure --enable-xvmc --enable-xvmc-opengl --enable-opengl-vsync

[19:16:56]

kleptophobiac2:

xvmc comes up

[19:16:58]

kleptophobiac2:

xvmc vld comes up

[19:17:04]

kleptophobiac2:

xvmc pro does not (i trust that's fine)

[19:17:10]

kleptophobiac2:

it uses XvMCW for libs

[19:17:16]

kleptophobiac2:

no xvmc opengl support

[19:17:23]

kleptophobiac2:

does have opengl vsync

[19:17:25]

jstew:

hmm.

[19:18:53]

jstew:

anyone know how UseXvMCForHDOnly works? What do you set as your playback recorder?

[19:19:14]

Zider:

is 0.20 safe to use or should I stick to the svn I'm running now?:P

[19:19:38]

jstew:

I assume you can use libmpeg2 or standard then at a certain resolution or bitrate it will use XxMC, is that correct?

[19:19:47]

FinnTux:

more like "is it safe to upgrade from .19-fixes?" :)

[19:19:58]

jstew:

Zider: It works OK for me.

[19:20:05]

jstew:

Nvidia/ATSC

[19:20:17]

Zider:

FinnTux: haven't used any release for quite a while now ;)

[19:20:18]

kleptophobiac2:

what are you using for a monitor?

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|Torg|:

jstew can you get 1080i working?

[19:20:29]

FinnTux:

Zider, I'm not as brave as you

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jstew:

I'm usdinf a standard def TV, believe it or not

[19:20:42]

Zider:

FinnTux: me neither.. uhh.. ;)

[19:20:45]

kleptophobiac2:

i've got 1080i working on an X level

[19:20:51]

kleptophobiac2:

and mplayer and xine are happy to use it

[19:20:55]

|Torg|:

it seems to be a driver issue

[19:20:58]

kleptophobiac2:

i've got sync and interlace issues with myth

[19:20:59]

jstew:

I havent hecked 1080i yet

[19:21:02]

FinnTux:

Zider, ot maybe I would be but if something goes wrong I'm gonna die (wife who uses myth alot) :)

[19:21:04]

jstew:

checked*

[19:21:27]

|Torg|:

EDID claims its a valid mode, but the nvidia drvers claim its too big

[19:21:38]

Zider:

FinnTux: ahh :D

[19:21:39]

|Torg|:

I dont think it realised what interlaced means

[19:21:44]

jstew:

are you deinterlacing?

[19:21:58]

kleptophobiac2:

jstew – me or |Torg|?

[19:21:58]

jstew:

@ kleptophobiac2

[19:22:00]

kleptophobiac2:

k

[19:22:05]

Ribs:

getting odd behaviour from mythtv here

[19:22:09]

kleptophobiac2:

when I play nuvs with mplayer

[19:22:12]

kleptophobiac2:

i don't need to deinterlace

[19:22:12]

Ribs:

it's only recorded 7 minutes of a program

[19:22:19]

kleptophobiac2:

because it syncs fine and plays beautifully

[19:22:25]

Ribs:

yet it knew damn well it was 30 minutes long

[19:22:27]

kleptophobiac2:

but mythtv isn't syncing properly

[19:22:35]

Ribs:

the recording even shows it should've recorded 30 minutes

[19:22:38]

|Torg|:

right now im deinterlacing, but my end goal is to get the video to display without manipulation

[19:22:40]

Ribs:

so why did it only record 7?

[19:22:40]

kleptophobiac2:

which is why i'm trying to use XVMC opengl

[19:22:40]

jstew:

mplayer works better for me too. oddly enough.

[19:22:56]

kleptophobiac2:

i don't know why myth even has an internal video player

[19:23:05]

kleptophobiac2:

there's really nothing wrong with a hack of mplayer for the job

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jstew:

My favorite video player is xine, but thats niether here nor there :)

[19:23:21]

FinnTux:

somegeek, there haven't been anyone crying that his whole system blew up after upgrading yet?

[19:23:29]

kleptophobiac2:

i use xine as well, primarily for DVD's

[19:23:41]

FinnTux:

opps, sorry somegeek. pressed TAB accidentally

[19:23:45]

** GreyFoxx uses the internal player for everything. Recordings, mythvideo and dvd's **

[19:23:50]

jstew:

xine playback is silky smooth, and the color is right on.

[19:24:09]

kleptophobiac2:

GreyFoxx – i haven't tried internal for video or DVD since .19 first came out

[19:24:11]

kleptophobiac2:

how is it now?

[19:24:14]

jstew:

aspect ratio is perfect in xine too, where I haev problems in mplayer

[19:24:23]

GreyFoxx:

kleptophobiac2: MUCH improved since then

[19:24:33]

jstew:

'm trying out the internal player now.

[19:24:35]

GreyFoxx:

especially for dvd menus and such

[19:24:45]

GreyFoxx:

And I like having the consistant controls, options and OSD etc

[19:24:47]

kleptophobiac2:

i'll give it a shot, but the myth internal player has never done my TV justice

[19:24:53]

kleptophobiac2:

i like the idea of consistent controls as well

[19:24:58]

kleptophobiac2:

but i won't sacrifice proper playback for it

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|Torg|:

GOT IT!!! damn EDID was wrong!

[19:25:30]

|Torg|:

(II) NVIDIA(0): Validated modes:

[19:25:30]

|Torg|:

(II) NVIDIA(0): "ATSC-1080–60i"

[19:25:30]

|Torg|:

(II) NVIDIA(0): "ATSC-720–60p"

[19:25:30]

|Torg|:

(II) NVIDIA(0): "ATSC-480–60p"

[19:26:38]

|Torg|:

its nice to know powerstrip was wrong too

[19:26:56]

kleptophobiac2:

dammit, now it's compiling wrong... differently

[19:27:24]

jstew:

Well you could always test the improved player kleptophobiac2

[19:27:33]

kleptophobiac2:

i will

[19:27:37]

jstew:

It played my fun with dick and jane DVD prety good.

[19:27:42]

kleptophobiac2:

but i *really really really* want sync to be correct

[19:27:57]

kleptophobiac2:

where's the setting for opengl vsync in the mythtv setup menus nowadays?

[19:27:58]

jstew:

Not as good as xine, but pretty darn good. lol

[19:28:07]

jstew:

It's in playback settings

[19:28:17]

kleptophobiac2:

tv playback?

[19:28:23]

ymousset:

Question: anybody ever get a 0-minute scheduled recording as a result of normal scheduled recording process?

[19:29:01]

kleptophobiac2:

i have not

[19:29:14]

kleptophobiac2:

for those of you recording SD MPEG2... what bitrate do you guys use?

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|Torg|:

I dont cahnge it, it comes in as mpeg2 already

[19:29:47]

|Torg|:

I simply offload it fromt he card, and record it to disk

[19:29:54]

halcyon:

I think I'm using 4800/600?

[19:29:57]

Zider:

hm, is mythtv-plugins supposed to be 0.20 as well? or just mythtv and themes?

[19:29:57]

halcyon:

err 6000

[19:30:05]

kleptophobiac2:

yeah yeah, you lucky guys with digital tv

[19:30:09]

ymousset:

using default mythtv bitrate, until I fix my scheduled recording problem... ;)

[19:30:41]

|Torg|:

lucky my ass, the stuff the call digital with AC@ overruns, mpeg2 overruns, VBI trash

[19:30:51]

|Torg|:

youd think they had some 5th grader as their bordast engineer

[19:31:09]

GreyFoxx:

kleptophobiac2: 5500/9000 here,

[19:31:12]

kleptophobiac2:

alright

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GreyFoxx:

Zider: Everything

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Zider:

GreyFoxx: oki

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** GreyFoxx record 720x480 @ 5500/9000 and displays at 720x480 on one frontend and 640x480 on the others (only cause I haven't finished the support for 720x480 on them) **

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halcyon:

oops sorry I meant 3800/6000.. mine's low :D

[19:33:05]

GreyFoxx:

I mess around with mine every few months hehe

[19:33:11]

FinnTux:

I have 2 hauppauge digi-TV cards (720x576)

[19:33:16]

GreyFoxx:

I'm really happy with it now

[19:33:24]

jstew:

Heh, I ave a bunch of dummy broadcasters in my area too

[19:33:25]

kleptophobiac2:

ha

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|Torg|:

im using b2c2 cards

[19:33:36]

kleptophobiac2:

i finally got the piece 'o crap to compile

[19:33:40]

|Torg|:

now make them fix the signal strength and ill be happy

[19:33:44]

jstew:

I'm using the b2c2 cards too

[19:33:52]

halcyon:

GreyFoxx: Yeah, I'm trying to get "ok" quality with regards to storage space, since I stopped transcoding to mpeg4

[19:34:16]

kleptophobiac2:

i found that transcoding to mpeg4 just created a ton of artifacts

[19:34:19]

|Torg|:

storage space is my problem the shows come in at like 8G for one hour

[19:34:20]

GreyFoxx:

halcyon: Mine is pretty much identical to the regular tv

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|Torg|:

artefects on encoding is usualy an indication of not enough cpu

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GreyFoxx:

I have flipped back and forth and can't tell much of a diff. Only reason "I can tell" is cause I already know it's different and my brain fills in the rest

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halcyon:

my main reason for not transcoding, is I transcode with a userjob to flash video and watch 'em at work :)

[19:35:10]

jstew:

How quick can you transcode that 8Gb file torg?

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|Torg|:

I dont even try

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kleptophobiac2:

halcyon – lol

[19:35:27]

kleptophobiac2:

you slacker

[19:35:34]

GreyFoxx:

haly: Why not just use vlc ? Unless you want EVERYTHING that way

[19:35:40]

DralaFi:

Hi. Is MythVideo plugin supposed to be streaming the video/audio to the other machine?

[19:35:41]

GreyFoxx:

I have a mythbox here at the office :)

[19:35:49]

GreyFoxx:

DralaFi: No

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DralaFi:

*other machine being the one with the frontend

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|Torg|:

there is a 800mhs celeron for my BE, if I told it to transocde something I think it would have a heat attack and die

[19:35:59]

halcyon:

I sit in a enclosed corner, it's a good setup :) Grey – I've played with that, but haven't gotten it working well ove rmy small upload speed (256k)

[19:36:07]

GreyFoxx:

Mythvideo runs on the frontend and reads from the filesystem

[19:36:15]

jstew:

hehe. true that.

[19:36:31]

GreyFoxx:

If you want to "share" non reecorded video with frontends you just nfs/samba mount the shared video to them

[19:36:37]

DralaFi:

GreyFoxx, ok, thanks. Just wanted to ask since it's not mentioned in the docs (that I could see) and it kinda bugged me.

[19:36:59]

DralaFi:

Also, same question regarding MythMusic

[19:36:59]

GreyFoxx:

For instances I have /data/mythtv, /data/m,p3, /data/photos, and /data/video nfs mounted from my masterbackend to all of the frontends

[19:37:11]

GreyFoxx:

DralaFi: All plugins run on the frontend only

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DralaFi:

ok thanks GreyFoxx :)

[19:37:22]

GreyFoxx:

only stuff than stream from the backend are recordings/livetv

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kleptophobiac2:

GreyFoxx – how beneficial is it to use an NFS share over mythtv streaming?

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kleptophobiac2:

for recordings

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GreyFoxx:

err and /data/emu

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GreyFoxx:

kleptophobiac2: I find it snappier, but ymmv

[19:37:55]

kleptophobiac2:

hmm

[19:37:57]

kleptophobiac2:

i might give that a shot

[19:37:58]

DralaFi:

Is there any plans to stream stuff for plugins in future releases?

[19:38:01]

kleptophobiac2:

i have a bunch of NFS shares anyway

[19:38:25]

GreyFoxx:

Honestly I imagine the backend could stream just about anything. Data is data after all

[19:38:37]

GreyFoxx:

but I don't specifically remember anyone talking about it

[19:38:42]

kleptophobiac2:

i was kindof hoping that mythstreamtv functionality would be built into mythweb

[19:38:51]

GreyFoxx:

kleptophobiac2: It';s in the works

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kormoc:

I would assume that the backend would need a plugin style system, no?

[19:38:59]

GreyFoxx:

using flash video and such

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kormoc:

aye

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GreyFoxx:

kormoc: Realisitically you could just tell the backend "give me file /path/to/file.ext" and have it stream? and "seek to position xxx"

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GreyFoxx:

etc etc

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|Torg|:

GreyFoxx what do you mean by a bunch of NFS shares

[19:39:57]

kormoc:

GreyFoxx, true

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|Torg|:

you doing write one, read many?

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GreyFoxx:

|Torg|: I have all of my frontends nfs several directories from the backend, includiong the recordings directories

[19:40:41]

kleptophobiac2:

i use NFS to mount the root file system, then also to mount my videos, music, and roms.

[19:40:47]

GreyFoxx:

yep

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kleptophobiac2:

root is r/w while the rest are read only

[19:40:52]

GreyFoxx:

all my frontends are diskless

[19:41:14]

kleptophobiac2:

GreyFoxx – i don't know why more people don't go the diskless route. rocks, doesn't it?

[19:41:19]

fryfrog:

GreyFoxx: what do you use to achi ve that, anything special?

[19:41:21]

|Torg|:

how many share,s my CPU starts dying after I do about 5

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fryfrog:

or just network boot + kernel / nfs mounted file systems?

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kleptophobiac2:

|Torg| – that's odd... my fileserver shows no appreciable problems with many shares

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kormoc:

Last I tested, my 2.4 ghz p4 could handle around 150 shares with active low io on each

[19:41:58]

fryfrog:

and does each FE have its own nfs chare, or do they share one?

[19:41:58]

|Torg|:

becase NFS menas Not For Speed

[19:42:23]

|Torg|:

id tftpboot them but id never put the root file system on NFS

[19:42:24]

kormoc:

|Torg|, it's better then samba...

[19:42:25]

fryfrog:

|Torg|: you probabloy need to do some advanced NFSing

[19:42:26]

kleptophobiac2:

i use pxelinux to load a kernel and initrd from a TFTP server then mount the root fs

[19:42:41]

kleptophobiac2:

i mount root fs from NFS... works fine

[19:42:44]

kleptophobiac2:

not as snappy as HD

[19:42:46]

fryfrog:

maybe nfs3 or 4, or full duplex

[19:42:50]

kleptophobiac2:

but put it on a gigabit network and it's not bad

[19:42:53]

kleptophobiac2:

i use NFS3

[19:43:02]

fryfrog:

yeah, i never got nfs4 working

[19:43:04]

kormoc:

with some tweaking, nfs is quite snazzy

[19:43:08]

kormoc:

esp with automount

[19:43:32]

fryfrog:

runs at pretty much full network speed for me, but i don't have 100s of clients to test access with :)

[19:43:34]

kleptophobiac2:

kormoc – care to elaborate on the automount, or even the tweaks in general?

[19:43:34]

GreyFoxx:

|Torg|: I nfs root everything, INCLUDING my desktop machine

[19:43:40]

jstew:

I prefer samba.

[19:43:46]

GreyFoxx:

now, samba is slow and very cpu intensive

[19:43:51]

|Torg|:

unfortuanly my house inst wires for ethernet (it on my todo list) so my FE's (both) of them are bridges by 802.11b right now

[19:43:52]

GreyFoxx:

nfs can be very fast

[19:43:55]

fryfrog:

yeah, wtf? :p

[19:43:58]

kleptophobiac2:

kormoc – i set the block sizes to 8KB, hard mount, force TCP

[19:44:07]

|Torg|:

so mostly I need netowrk infrastructure upgrades befoer I can do that

[19:44:09]

kleptophobiac2:

but this automount intrigues me

[19:44:18]

kormoc:

kleptophobiac2, Beirdo helped me out a bit, he's more the guy to talk to, but automount will do magical stuff like cd /mnt/cdrom and it mounts /mnt/cdrom and when you cd out of it, it unmounts it

[19:44:31]

kormoc:

kleptophobiac2, automount is rather nifty, and there's hundreds of guides out there about it

[19:44:36]

kleptophobiac2:

ah, udev and fstab tricker, right?

[19:44:39]

GreyFoxx:

fryfrog: I use to use pc's with a eterhetboot floppy to tftp over the kernel and nfs moutn /, now I use msntv2 stb's with a kernel and it nfs mounts /

[19:44:40]

kleptophobiac2:

*trickery

[19:44:41]

fryfrog:

GreyFoxx or kleptophobiac2, what distro you run run?

[19:44:47]

GreyFoxx:

fryfrog: Slackware

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kleptophobiac2:

fryfrog – I'm an Archlinux person

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jstew:

samba is supposed to be faster than NFS, at least according to the docs. NFSV4 is faster though.

[19:44:59]

Beirdo:

hmm?

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kormoc:

kleptophobiac2, actually, it's automountd

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kleptophobiac2:

oh, hmm

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kormoc:

Beirdo, your nfs tweaks :P

[19:45:10]

kleptophobiac2:

a whole daemon

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GreyFoxx:

jstew: samba is slow, and MUCH more cpu intensive

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Beirdo:

NFS is WAY faster than samba when setup right

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kormoc:

Beirdo, and morning

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|Torg|:

samba is about 1.5 times slower then nfs2, about 2x slower then nfs3

[19:45:27]

kleptophobiac2:

Beirdo – what kind of tweaks do you use?

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jstew:

I agree that it's more CPU intensive....

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Beirdo:

barrel:/opt/video /opt/video nfs rsize=32768,wsize=32768,soft,pos

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Beirdo:

ix,nfsvers=3,bg,noauto 2 2

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jstew:

I've never really benchmarked the 2 recently, only about 5 years ago.

[19:45:47]

|Torg|:

samba eats my little celeron like it was candy

[19:45:51]

fryfrog:

how did you build the root file system initially, a base install on a system with an HD and copy?

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kormoc:

kleptophobiac2, autmountd + autofs is the key to make it work :)

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|Torg|:

nfs works but I dare not up it to more then 3 shares

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GreyFoxx:

Now, that being said, everything I nfs mount to my other boxes I ALSO have configured in samba for when I'm on the wifes windows machine and want access to them. But they are not used often

[19:46:05]

fryfrog:

damn, 32k rwin/wwin?

[19:46:18]

GreyFoxx:

fryfrog: vmware

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kleptophobiac2:

yeah, that's pretty big

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|Torg|:

and if you want to know how to do autmount with autofs and fs its all over google

[19:46:20]

Beirdo:

32k windows (read and write), soft, posix, MUST be NFSv3 or 4, background mounting

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kleptophobiac2:

i've been using 8KB

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fryfrog:

GreyFoxx: ah

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GreyFoxx:

installed and did base configure, rsynced over to the file server

[19:46:40]

Beirdo:

if you are pushing lots of big files, the 32k is definitely worth it'

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jstew:

so thats how you make it faster then? I just compared each out of the box

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Beirdo:

less overhead

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GreyFoxx:

but I use to use a spare laptop for making the image before vmware

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fryfrog:

GreyFoxx: I see

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kleptophobiac2:

yeah, it's primarily big files

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fryfrog:

I've been thinking of setting up something like that, diskless would make it a lot smaller and quieter

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GreyFoxx:

fryfrog: now for me to add a new frontend It's a simple copy of the /root partition (200 meg) and clone the floppy (or cf card)

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|Torg|:

what hardware do you use for the frontend, I need it to do 1080I and 720p

[19:47:50]

Beirdo:

oh wow, I should eat something

[19:47:50]

fryfrog:

Would you go stripped down distro for that? I can't imagine something big like Ubuntu or Fedora would be to happy nfs mounted?

[19:47:50]

Beirdo:

heh

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GreyFoxx:

fryfrog: I'm a Slackware only kinda guy

[19:48:09]

Beirdo:

and the smell of bleach... blech

[19:48:11]

fryfrog:

GreyFoxx: you boot from a cf card? or PXE network boot?

[19:48:14]

GreyFoxx:

I very much dislike most package systems

[19:48:23]

GreyFoxx:

fryfrog: my msntv2's boot from the cf card

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fryfrog:

ah

[19:48:33]

fryfrog:

i don't know what an msntv2 is :)

[19:48:40]

GreyFoxx:

the crf card has a kernel, and a cmdline file. the cmdline tells it to nfs mount a /

[19:48:42]

Beirdo:

whereas I like packaging :)

[19:48:49]

GreyFoxx:

www.toc2rta.com

[19:49:07]

GreyFoxx:

The msntv2 is a stb with the same cpu as a xbox, but twice the ram and other goodies. Dead silent

[19:49:11]

GreyFoxx:

usb 2 ports, etc etc

[19:49:18]

GreyFoxx:

got 3 of them for $30 off ebay

[19:49:23]

kleptophobiac2:

wow, nice

[19:49:24]

fryfrog:

I like ebuild and deb, rpm lastish :)

[19:49:40]

GreyFoxx:

so I have 4 now, and 1 for me to mess around with

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|Torg|:

what video rates do they do?

[19:49:45]

Beirdo:

so, GreyFoxx... gonna watch one of the Sens games in Halifax (pre-season)?

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fryfrog:

GreyFoxx: does it do HD?

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GreyFoxx:

|Torg|: Standard def. Svideo and Composite out

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|Torg|:

thats what I thought

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fryfrog:

ah

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|Torg|:

tell me when you have a HD out one :)

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Beirdo:

I'm planning on going to a Rangers/Panthers pre-season here in PR :)

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GreyFoxx:

Beirdo: Cool. I had forgotten about those heh

[19:52:10]

Beirdo:

and fryfrog, good to see ya around ;)

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fryfrog:

sheesh, those are crazy!

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GreyFoxx:

|Torg|: Maybe after I have an HDTV

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fryfrog:

hi Beirdo :)

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Beirdo:

GreyFoxx, yeah, they are in a few weeks or so, so look into it if yer interested in some early hockey near home :)

[19:53:23]

GreyFoxx:

Beirdo: I'm not really, but my wife is a big hockey fan

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Beirdo:

I wonder if I can convince the wifey to let me buy some msntv :)

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|Torg|:

but it would be nice if I could slap one of those on the kids tv

[19:53:38]

|Torg|:

how did you hack ti to run linux?

[19:53:46]

Beirdo:

yeah well, it would be good for brownie points then :)

[19:54:16]

GreyFoxx:

|Torg|: got in through the serial port at the service menu and flashed it with a modded bios

[19:54:23]

GreyFoxx:

http://www.toc2rta.com/index.php/Main_Page tells all about it

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GreyFoxx:

They come with Wince, but now it loads vmlinux.bin, reads in cmdline and executes

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Beirdo:

hmmm, I think I'd rather get some cheeep ones rather than hack xboxes

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Beirdo:

:)

[19:55:21]

GreyFoxx:

It's nice

[19:55:33]

GreyFoxx:

quiet low power frontends around the house

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|Torg|:

tftpboot?

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GreyFoxx:

better than the old disk less pcs I use to use

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GreyFoxx:

tftp: nope, just nfs

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|Torg|:

what do you boot them with then?

[19:56:12]

GreyFoxx:

the kernel is on the cf card, it nfs mounts / from the server

[19:56:18]

sigger:

GreyFoxx: msntv2 use xvmc to do video? suprised Celeron 733 will cut it

[19:56:35]

GreyFoxx:

sigger: an xbox is a celery 733 and works fine :)

[19:56:50]

GreyFoxx:

sigger: But no, no xvmc as the IEGD driver doesn't support it yet

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Beirdo:

hmm. what size cf do ya need? small?

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GreyFoxx:

butr supposedly the next version will

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sigger:

nifty

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kleptophobiac2:

I don't like using CF because of the write cycle limit

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GreyFoxx:

Beirdo: It comes with a 64, and I'm using maybe 3 megs of it

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kleptophobiac2:

NFS4eva!

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Beirdo:

nice

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fryfrog:

GreyFoxx: next version of the kernel/driver or the box?

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Beirdo:

booting from CF is good though

[19:57:37]

GreyFoxx:

fryfrog: next version of the IEGD driver

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fryfrog:

ahhh

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|Torg|:

boot from CF is fine, its what it was desinged for anyway

[19:57:58]

|Torg|:

unfortuanly there arnt any on ebay and online ther about $100 a pop

[19:58:25]

GreyFoxx:

|Torg|: search for rm4100

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|Torg|:

ahh wait they dont call them msntv's :)

[19:58:47]

GreyFoxx:

the rm2100 is the msntv1 = shit

[19:58:53]

GreyFoxx:

rm4100 = msntv2

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Beirdo:

the 2100 might be useful with more hacking work though

[19:59:13]

GreyFoxx:

Lots of them goign for 0.99 now

[19:59:17]

Beirdo:

in a while :)

[19:59:24]

GreyFoxx:

Beirdo: CPU is slow, and mips

[19:59:27]

GreyFoxx:

heh

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|Torg|:

yea I see that, lets see if someone wants to sell 5

[19:59:34]

fryfrog:

why are they so damn cheap?

[19:59:43]

kormoc:

cause they are useless

[19:59:48]

GreyFoxx:

fryfrog: I believe MSN is ditching the service

[19:59:50]

Beirdo:

what's wrong with MIPS? the WRT54G is MIPS

[19:59:54]

fryfrog:

ahhhhhhh

[20:00:08]

fryfrog:

damn, if it had HD output that'd rule

[20:00:19]

fryfrog:

though, for 0.99 i could get a few for the crappy tvs i have

[20:00:28]

|Torg|:

I wonder if you could hack one of these to be an xbox too :)

[20:00:32]

Beirdo:

$0.99 + $15 shipping

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fryfrog:

I see most of them ream you on the shipping though :/

[20:00:34]

Beirdo:

JEEZ

[20:00:40]

fryfrog:

i hate ebay

[20:00:46]

kleptophobiac2:

VideoOutputXv: XvMCTex: Init failed

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Beirdo:

I hate rip-off artists

[20:01:09]

fryfrog:

*all* of them have $12+ shipping :/

[20:01:17]

kormoc:

Beirdo, depends, it might show up privately delivered in a box made from the best silk money can buy...

[20:01:21]

GreyFoxx:

kleptophobiac2: I think you can ignore that. I asked about it on the -dev list and Daniel explained it but it's not a problem

[20:01:30]

GreyFoxx:

heh

[20:01:38]

GreyFoxx:

ok kind, $14 + 0.99 shipping

[20:01:41]

GreyFoxx:

It's all the same :)

[20:01:43]

kleptophobiac2:

GreyFoxx – thanks

[20:01:53]

Beirdo:

heh

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kleptophobiac2:

i don't see "using opengl vsync" in the log though

[20:01:57]

kleptophobiac2:

hmmmmm

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GreyFoxx:

kleptophobiac2: I seem to remember that not being displayed without a -v all anymore

[20:02:24]

kleptophobiac2:

alright

[20:02:51]

** GreyFoxx does a another mythgame scan and giggles as it identifies all of the stuff now **

[20:03:30]

kleptophobiac2:

blahhhh!!!!

[20:03:31]

GreyFoxx:

reading the various emulator source certainly helped heh

[20:03:34]

kleptophobiac2:

it shows all the SQL queries

[20:03:36]

GreyFoxx:

I should have done that before

[20:03:39]

kleptophobiac2:

the flood! the flood!!

[20:03:43]

|Torg|:

HA ther elocal to me and offer local pickup :)

[20:04:05]

GreyFoxx:

I think there is a way to cancel something from a -v all.... like NOSQL or something.

[20:04:14]

GreyFoxx:

but I never use it

[20:04:24]

gardengnome:

--verbose all,nodatabase

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kleptophobiac2:

yeah, was reading that now

[20:04:31]

kleptophobiac2:

thanks

[20:04:31]

GreyFoxx:

|Torg|: nice!

[20:04:32]

Beirdo:

Torg: good, then you can ship to everyone else :)

[20:04:37]

GreyFoxx:

really nice

[20:04:43]

GreyFoxx:

do they charge for local pickup ?

[20:04:56]

kormoc:

$29.95 for local pickup!

[20:05:00]

GreyFoxx:

hah

[20:05:30]

** GreyFoxx adds 7.3k more roms to the romdb list **

[20:05:30]

Beirdo:

$4.95 for local pickup, that's SUCH a scam

[20:05:52]

Beirdo:

"here's a fiver for you to hand me that pile o' shit over there"

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|Torg|:

for $5 I get a new toy to play with, its no big deal

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Mattwj2005:

hey guys

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Beirdo:

yeah, but it's the rip-off factor I don't like, ya know... it's all about the principle... but still, $6 (if ya win one) gets you a toy

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Paladine:

hey peeps

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kleptophobiac2:

peeps are yellow

[20:09:47]

kleptophobiac2:

and made of marshmallow

[20:09:52]

kleptophobiac2:

and are disgusting

[20:09:54]

Paladine:

what is the cheapest tv card supported under linux?

[20:09:55]

kleptophobiac2:

please don't call me that

[20:10:10]

halcyon:

some are pink, also disgusting

[20:10:25]

kleptophobiac2:

indeed

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|Torg|:

but you can do peep surgury with karo syrup

[20:10:29]

kleptophobiac2:

as for the cheapest card

[20:10:39]

kleptophobiac2:

take your pick of any BT87x card

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Paladine:

well I have a bt878 card (mm200pctv) but I don't understand what is going on with the connector

[20:11:22]

Paladine:

I thought it was a standard coax connection

[20:11:25]

Paladine:

but it is way smaller

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dev:

blame solar flares

[20:12:26]

sigger:

GreyFoxx: you have to build that little LVTTL/RS-232 thingy?

[20:12:28]

gardengnome:

maybe you're missing some kind of adaptor. mine comes with one which has to be plugged in once the card is installed – makes $things easier

[20:12:32]

kormoc:

Paladine, you might be missing a part of it

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** Beirdo lobs a stinky bag of dog poop at his ISP **

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kormoc:

Paladine, my bttv came with a adapter from the small plug to the coax cable type

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GreyFoxx:

sigger: I did yeah

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GreyFoxx:

but you can buy em

[20:13:14]

sigger:

ah, that's what I wanted. buy it. avoid learning. git

[20:13:17]

sigger:

er done

[20:13:22]

GreyFoxx:

http://pics.phaze.org/?album=albums/2006/03-0 . . . 243.JPG&

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Paladine:

kormoc, you got any idea where I can buy the adapter?

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GreyFoxx:

That's it's on the lower left corner

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kormoc:

Paladine, i'd check radioshack

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Paladine:

I live in the UK

[20:14:16]

Paladine:

no radioshack in my city, they are very rare here

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** GreyFoxx heads out to pick up his little one **

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sigger:

GreyFoxx: dang. that's cool. i don't see the LVTTL thing, but no matter. thanks

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Paladine:

kormoc, also did you need to mod the card to get sound working on yours? some articles I have read said you don't need to in linux, others have said you do

[20:16:15]

kormoc:

I did not

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Paladine:

you just accessed it over the pci bus?

[20:16:39]

fryfrog:

So, anything cool like the PVR 500 came out while i was gone?

[20:16:44]

fryfrog:

maybe a dual tuner HD card?

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garrick:

with a pvr350, is audio from the internal DVD player supposed to go to the pvr350 or alsa?

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Paladine:

kormoc, would I be correct in assuming that the outer metal casing of the port is not needed and only the internal parts that the "pin" hits are used?

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Paladine:

cos if so I could just remove the PCI connector strip from the outside of the card and plug a coax cable straight into the port

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Paladine:

the metal strip that holds the card to the chassis is just connected with nylon poppers

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Paladine:

I already took it off with no problems

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adj:

am i going to be dissappointed by mythtv if i use an old wintv express card i have?

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halcyon:

what kind of backend hardware (cpu, etc)

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adj:

halcyon: plenty ;)

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dev:

and on, and on

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adj:

im just concerned about the capture card

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halcyon:

as long as it's supported it should be ok. I ran a software encoding card for a long time.

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halcyon:

dev: indeed :D

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kormoc:

adj, quality is quite a bit less then a hardware card imho

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kormoc:

adj, and given a pvr 150 is only 55 or so, it's well worth it

[20:24:27]

adj:

kormoc: ok, thats what i was wondering

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Paladine:

am gonna try this, brb

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adj:

actually, its not an express

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adj:

its a hauppauge WINTV-38101

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adj:

i believe thats a hardware card

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halcyon:

looks like it's software actually

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halcyon:

is it wintv go?

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adj:

hah, perhaps. i bought it a long time ago

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adj:

no fm tuner

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adj:

but, wintvGO sounds right and the pic of that card looks similar

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kleptophobiac2:

so now that i have XvMC compiled in, I get blank screen with standard or libmpeg2 methods, and this crap when I use XvMC: http://img68.imageshack.us/img68/5562/img0415ca7.jpg

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kleptophobiac2:

so i come up with a problem and the place dies. go me :p

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stuarta:

ooo funky

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kleptophobiac2:

indeed

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adj:

ok, one more question before i start assembling this box...

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adj:

i have a decent digital cable package through time warner cable. my capture card can see the analog 1–60(80?

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adj:

) channels. how can i see the digital package?

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kormoc:

you can't

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adj:

video out from the cable set top to the video in on the capture card?

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adj:

then just manually change the appropriate channel?

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kormoc:

sure, but myth won't automatically handle that

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Beirdo:

yeah, capture the output of the cable box, and use an IR transmitter to change channels is the usual

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Beirdo:

or get a firewire cable box :)

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adj:

ahh, so i can route my ir to the cable box. clever

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fryfrog:

adj: you can sometimes use serial to change channels, and also sometimes a firewire cable will let you change channels too

[20:46:17]

fryfrog:

adj: and you *might* be able to use a QAM HD card to get the digital, sd channels

[20:46:24]

bagpuss_thecat:

am I missing something really obvious when trying to upgrade to 0.20 with my Hauppauge Nova-T card? mythtv-setup claims it can't open card #0 as there's no such file or directory

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fryfrog:

i know a *ton* of my SD channels show up and are not encrypted

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adj:

yeh. i see. no serial in to my settop, but there is a funny looking port labeled bypass

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adj:

maybe firewire of some kind...

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bagpuss_thecat:

bah, ignore me. Bastarden udev failed to load cx88 after a reboot

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bagpuss_thecat:

crock of shit

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Beirdo:

udev can be a pain that way

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Beirdo:

I still prefer the old-fashioned /dev full of device files that never get used

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bagpuss_thecat:

ja

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bagpuss_thecat:

it 'normally works'

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bagpuss_thecat:

the machine has survived countless reboots and overheating incidents

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|Torg|:

is there any way to get mythtv to dynamicly switch based upon video its playing? also is the any way to get myth to tell me what resolution the stream is in?

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Paladine:

weirdness

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Paladine:

got the card installed

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Paladine:

but I just get a blue screen where the video should be

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scopeuk:

is it usign the composite in instead of the tuner

[21:08:48]

scopeuk:

and a bit mroe information whould help alot

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scopeuk:

what card

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scopeuk:

whats it do

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Paladine:

I have it set to use composite

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Paladine:

I guess I need to use tuner

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Paladine:

but I just want to pic up a single channel

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scopeuk:

if you want ota stuff youneed tuner

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scopeuk:

conencting to an stb wtc you whould use composite

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scopeuk:

tuner it is

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Paladine:

I just want to take the coax feed from my sky tv box to my vid card

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Paladine:

oh yes baby

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Paladine:

that works in dscaler

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Paladine:

in windows

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Paladine:

so can I presume it will work with mythtv in linux?

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Juski:

ooo stirring stuff, that 'path to 9/11', even if it was just a dramatisation

[21:13:22]

stuarta:

i hate dramatizations of real events

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Paladine:

wow it actually works :)

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Paladine:

not bad for a hack job lol

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Paladine:

I have the card precariously balancedin the pci slot (no chassis bracket) and a piece of paper between the cable and the chassis to stop it earthing on the chassis lol

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Dibblah:

You make it sound like that's not SOP for you ;)

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Paladine:

SOP?

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Dibblah:

Standard Operating Practice.

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Dibblah:

I know it is round here :)

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Paladine:

well not on 2k worth of machine no

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Paladine:

on a "spare" box yes

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Paladine:

but not my expensive kit

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Dibblah:

It is in my dual-xeon server...

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Dibblah:

Well, actually single xeon at the moment – Can't afford to run the other one :)

[21:17:47]

stuarta:

chews a bit too much juice??

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Paladine:

so can i presume that if I have this working in dscaler in windows, it will work in linux with no problems under mythtv?

[21:19:23]

Juski:

nope

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Juski:

there's a good chance though – nothing comes with a 100% guarantee

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kormoc:

esp free stuff

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Juski:

software encoding _does_ suck though, I have to warn you

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Paladine:

well my understanding was the bt878 drivers are actually better for linux than they are for windows?

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Dibblah:

Okay. That's rather worrying. Something just ate 12Gb, then returned it.

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Blammo:

Dibblah: It was the hungry-bit-monster.. :)

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scottder:

anyone seeing things like this in their MythWeb itnerface "SQL Error: Column 'parentid' cannot be null [#1048]"

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scottder:

moved from 0.19 to 0.20

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scottder:

also it seems to think my tuner is always in use...

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scottder:

FC4

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Kelerion:

evening all

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scottder:

May just rebuild the DB and start over

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kormoc:

scottder, re mythweb, it's a known issue and being worked on

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scottder:

Ah ok

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kormoc:

you might want to check out 0.20-fixes and see if it's fixed already

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mchou:

anyone know how to compile mythplugins w/o installing myth?

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mchou:

just wanna compile in a working dir

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|Torg|:

anyone know how to make mythfrontend xrandr the display based upon video?

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Kelerion:

Torg.. thats in the display settings pages somewhere

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bagpuss_thecat:

every time I go into the System Status windows, I get the following error and the backend dies... any thoughts?

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bagpuss_thecat:

# This is not a security feature, it's merely to inconvenience people into use sudo properly...

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bagpuss_thecat:

oops

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bagpuss_thecat:

2006-09–12 22:30:47.724 MainServer: HandleRemoteEncoder(cmd GET_STATE) Unknown encoder: 4, exiting

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** scottder is is using RPMS for updates **

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|Torg|:

yes Kelerion but it does not work, I can randr from gui to screen but not rar the screen based upon content

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stuarta:

scottder, kormoc: there's a patch linked to off the main site

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kormoc:

|Torg|, myth doesn't support that feature

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Kelerion:

Torg.. ahh.. okies... not sure about that then

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|Torg|:

ok is ther any way to make it then?

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scottder:

but even throught the frontend I can't seem to add shows to record and all my

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kormoc:

no, not really

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kormoc:

|Torg|, you can program and submit a patch, but outside of that, not really likely to happen anytime soon

[21:36:02]

|Torg|:

yes that and putting the resolution say int he GUI would be nice

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|Torg|:

any of the mpeg encoders can tell you the resolution so taking its output should be rather easy

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kormoc:

it's more based on the idea that a tv only really likes one res, and thus, it's better to resize the video then the display

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|Torg|:

that would be true of older TVs, every TV sold in the US made after January 2005 must be capble of mutiple modes

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|Torg|:

so that would mostly be only ture if you were using an older std tv

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kormoc:

mine is capble of multiple modes, but they all make my eyes bleed, only one mode is useable

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Kelerion:

My 42" plasma has a dickyfit in anything other that it's native res

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|Torg|:

at non native modes my fe cant handle the reencoding and stutters to hell

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scottder:

Of course I did an ivtv and kernel update at the same time too :(

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|Torg|:

if I place it at a native mode it works

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Kelerion:

well not that bad.. but it's not quite right

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kormoc:

Well, you can always make your FE more powerful

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|Torg|:

with what another MB and CPU?

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scottder:

on the upside I really like the OpenGL menus :)

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kormoc:

Sure, or a better videocard, depending on the bottleneck

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|Torg|:

its CPU bound

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kormoc:

XvMC can take some of the cpu load off

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|Torg|:

X runs about an 80% load cometing with mythfrontned runnong about 50%

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|Torg|:

and I am using XvMC

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** kormoc shrugs **

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Kelerion:

yanno...in all the time I've been coming here... I don't think I've ever actually heard anyone say that... "myth doesn't support that feature".. or come up with a way to do it anyway

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kormoc:

Kelerion, well, there's ways around it sure, say, querying the videocard's XvMC buffers, get the video size and then resize, and run it via a cron script every second or so, but well... it's just not worth it, ya know?

[21:50:11]

gingerbread:

I'm unable to turn off the mute on my pvr-500 card installed in my 2.6.17 FC4 system. I have the ivtv-0.7.0–117 rpm installed along with ivtv-formware-enc-2, ivtv-formware-audio-0.0.1–6.at, which contains no files (nice).

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Kelerion:

I had the same idea but with ivtvctl

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Kelerion:

and yeah... it's not worth it.. and a really messy thing to do too

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|Torg|:

how about ask the frontend the video format, xrandr request that format, then play what you got with what it gave you

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Anduin:

gingerbread: Mute doesn't apply to the capture card

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Kelerion:

because the frontend doesn't tell you what it's doing right now

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Anduin:

gingerbread: though lacking the audio firmware would make it fail

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Anduin:

gingerbread: (which would be in dmesg)

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kormoc:

|Torg|, the frontend doesn't report that info, like Kelerion said

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|Torg|:

and does teh mpeg decoder?

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kormoc:

nope

[21:52:00]

kormoc:

that's why I said hook the videocard

[21:52:24]

kormoc:

you can patch it to, don't get me wrong

[21:52:42]

kormoc:

but currently, it's not that simple

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|Torg|:

and you dont have to query the video card, X knows what it can do

[21:52:58]

|Torg|:

its actauly an API call to X11

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kormoc:

for a XvMC context window? what api call is it?

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kormoc:

cause I know you can get the current res of the window, but not of the pre-resized video

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gingerbread:

Anduin, then Im lost. dmesg says I do have a dma pcm audio strem for both units.

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|Torg|:

yes but xrandr knows what video sizes it can do

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Kelerion:

but not what the video thats being played is at, right?

[21:54:49]

kormoc:

|Torg|, yes... but that doesn't help you when you want to know what the native res of a playing stream is to xrandr to a set res

[21:54:55]

Anduin:

gingerbread: ivtvctl and check the volume levels, then check then in myth (a cat test and you get sound?)

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|Torg|:

right, it jsut knows what you fead to the subsystem as bits

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kormoc:

right, hence why you'd need to hook into the XvMC buffer and get the res of the video stream from there

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Anduin:

gingerbread: and the bit in dmesg would be between the ivtv init begin and end

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|Torg|:

or have the BE look at the stream and tell you via a call

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Kelerion:

which it doesn't do

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|Torg|:

I didnt say it did

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kormoc:

|Torg|, so what are you arguing about?

[21:56:43]

|Torg|:

I wasnt, I was commenting on your and Kelerions comments

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gingerbread:

ivtvctl -a show mute=1, volume=58880 and the cat /dev/video0 >/tmp/test.mpg does provide static video with out sound

[21:57:05]

sphery:

bagpuss_thecat: It sounds like you have a broken capture card definition in the database...

[21:57:05]

Kelerion:

XvMC would be better actually... you might not be playing what your recording

[21:57:22]

sphery:

How many capture cards do you have total?

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bagpuss_thecat:

sphery: ahaa

[21:57:37]

bagpuss_thecat:

I have two, one in the master and one in the slave

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Anduin:

gingerbread: pastebin your ivtv init section from dmesg

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sphery:

bagpuss_thecat: Can you pastebin the output of "SELECT * FROM capturecard;"

[21:58:16]

Tronic:

Is support for capturing multiple channels simultaneusly from one DVB mux planned?

[21:58:22]

bagpuss_thecat:

sure, two ticks

[21:58:24]

gingerbread:

Anduin, ack otw

[21:58:26]

Tronic:

(with just one tuner, obviously)

[21:58:48]

Tronic:

(or perhaps even already supported and I have just missed something?)

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|Torg|:

here it is

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|Torg|:

typedef struct {

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|Torg|:

int surface_type_id;

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|Torg|:

int chroma_format;

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|Torg|:

unsigned short max_width;

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|Torg|:

unsigned short max_height;

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|Torg|:

unsigned short subpicture_max_width;

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|Torg|:

unsigned short subpicture_max_height;

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|Torg|:

int mc_type;

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|Torg|:

int flags;

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|Torg|:

}

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kormoc:

|Torg|, please don't flood the channel

[21:59:21]

kormoc:

use a pastebin like the topic says

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|Torg|:

I wasnt

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|Torg|:

its part of XvMCSurfaceInfo

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kormoc:

that is considered a flood in here

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|Torg|:

it would be a flood if I was atteping to knock you offline overflowing your buffers

[22:00:03]

sphery:

Tronic: planned, but not yet implemented

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kormoc:

and also, doesn't that only give the res of the displaying content, and not of the pre-resized content?

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stuarta:

it's a flood

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gingerbread:

Anduin, http://pastebin.ca/168324

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Beirdo:

It's a flood because it causes the servers to trigger flood protection, and because we defined it so.

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** Kelerion chuckles **

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bagpuss_thecat:

sphery: http://pastebin.ca/168328

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Anduin:

gingerbread: something simple like ivtvctl -y mute=0?

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bagpuss_thecat:

sphery: dragonfly is the master, flat is the slave. 'mine' is an old slave that is no longer – coudl that be the culprit?

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gingerbread:

Anduin, tried that, didnt work.

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Anduin:

gingerbread: Does it at least change the results for -Y?

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bak:

hey guys, I just upgraded my myth .19 to .20 and now when I try and record off of my firewire cable box it says FireRec: No Input in 15 Seconds then MythSocket(6b38b0:-1) WriteStringList: Error socket unconnected. Does anyone know what would have caused this/how to fix it?

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gingerbread:

Anduin, a capital Y returns help, I've also tried ivtvctl --set-ctrl=mute=0 and other variations.

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Anduin:

gingerbread: -Y -d /dev/blah (just queries the controls)

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Anduin:

gingerbread: not hearing static would be normal as well

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gingerbread:

Anduin, -Y -d /dev/video0 returns volume=58880 and mute=0. the static remark was regarding the video and not the sound. there is no sound at all. YuK!

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sphery:

bagpuss_thecat: I don't think mine is a problem. I'm pretty sure the problem comes before that.

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Anduin:

gingerbread: Yeah, I mean if you are tuned to static, don't expect sound (even if everything were working)

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gingerbread:

ah

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Anduin:

gingerbread: are you capturing from svideo?

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sphery:

bagpuss_thecat: It's choking on card 4. I have a theory, but please bear with me because I know nothing about DVB (yet :).

[22:08:43]

sphery:

Should videodevice actually be just the int 0? Shouldn't it be some kind of /dev/whatever ?

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gingerbread:

checking

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gingerbread:

Anduin, btw im using 0.19 and not 0.20

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Anduin:

gingerbread: shouldn't make a difference, this is all at the ivtv level anyway

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janneg:

sphery: no, for dvb it is just an int

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sphery:

OK, thanks, janneg.

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gingerbread:

Anduin, when capturing from the command prompt, I use cat /dev/video0 >/tmp/test.mpg

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sphery:

BTW, janneg, do you see anything wrong with http://pastebin.ca/168328

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Anduin:

gingerbread: with sound now?

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gingerbread:

Anduin, that I dont understand? My test captures from the command line and thru mythtv are exactly the same.

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Anduin:

gingerbread: Just checking, are you trying to capture non-static yet?

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gingerbread:

ah, yes. according to the general setup under mythtv, video0 is tuner 1 and is default to channel 2. when I do capture either from the command line or thru mythtv the results are the same; my video quality is static with no audio that I can here.

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janneg:

sphery: no, nothing. next table to check is cardinput

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sphery:

thx.

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Anduin:

gingerbread: Try capture on a channel that has something

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janneg:

bagpuss_thecat: please paste also SELECT * FROM cardinput:

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gingerbread:

Anduin, done

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janneg:

err: SELECT * FROM cardinput;

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rfergu:

Hiya, could someone tell me about how fast a processor is needed for hdtv?

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** sphery types much slower than janneg **

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quicksilver:

just got the 0.20 installed and the DVB-Radio stuff works! Yay! But how do I get listings for it (UK)?

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kormoc:

rfergu, usually the speal is 2.0 ghz required, 3.0 recommended

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stuarta:

quicksilver: use the EIT data...

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quicksilver:

stuarta: can I use the EIT data for radio and still use the radiotimes data for TV?

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rfergu:

awesome, thanks

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stuarta:

quicksilver: erm, well yes, but make sure you disable eit on all the channels you use RT for.

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stuarta:

or enable the radio channels in RT

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gingerbread:

im beginning to wonder that since the quality of the capture is so poor that the sound is getting stepped on too.

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quicksilver:

stuarta: *blush* how do I tell it use EIT data?

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bagpuss_thecat:

janneg, sphery : will do, just poking at something

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radi0head:

kormoc; On that same note, what would be the minimum/recommended cpu to use with a Hauppauge PVR-150 with normal canadian cable ? (I'm trying to build a very small box for my friend to run MythTV (maybe a backend only))

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kormoc:

radi0head, for just a backend? a 800 mhz would work fine, if you don't commflag, etc. I'd recommend a 1.5+ for commflagging, but you can even get buy with less

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radi0head:

kormoc; Thank you.

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radi0head:

I'll be back in a bit.

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** kormoc waves **

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kormoc:

you're welcome

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janneg:

bagpuss_thecat: please try "UPDATE capturecard SET dvb_diseqc_type = 0;"

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bak:

Does anyone in here who records HD with myth ever notice it has a lot of artifacts...like the picture breaking up into lines when the camera moves fast?? Is this just what happens when recording over firewire or is it a setting I have incorrectly?

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sphery:

bak: sounds like you need to turn on deinterlacing

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bak:

how do i do that sphery?

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sphery:

frontend settings under TV playback, I think it's called "Deinterlace method"

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sphery:

Choose one of them. Test out the different ones to see which work best for you.

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bagpuss_thecat:

janneg: I've jsut tried deleting all dvb cards, and I'm just adding the master on eback in

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janneg:

that probably works too

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bagpuss_thecat:

noe, it didn't :-)

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bagpuss_thecat:

I'll get you the cardinput table info

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janneg:

no, that is probably not neccessary

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bak:

sphery: Oh wow, that made a huge difference...It looks amazing now

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Paladine:

ok so now I have this bt878 card working, which hauppage cards have hardware decoding?

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Paladine:

pvr250 and 350 or just the 350?

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sphery:

bagpuss_thecat: are you getting any errors in the log when you start the master backend?

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Kelerion:

and 150 and 500

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sphery:

Paladine: 350 has hardware decoding of MPEG-2

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Kelerion:

oh

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Kelerion:

read it wrong

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** Kelerion chuckles **

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sphery:

Paladine: but you can't record MPEG-2 from a bttv card

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sphery:

(at least, not with Myth)

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sphery:

So, you couldn't use the hardware decoding for any of those recordings.

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bagpuss_thecat:

sphery: I get the following 2 lines (after some bits about being unable to set the starting channel)

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bagpuss_thecat:

2006-09–12 23:31:28.392 mythbackend: Problem with capture cards: Card 1failed init

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bagpuss_thecat:

ERROR: no valid capture cards are defined in the database.

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Paladine:

but would the picture be better quality on a pvr350 than it is on my mm200pctv?

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sphery:

And, IMHO, the PVR-350 is a waste of money (I wasted some money on it ;)

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kormoc:

Paladine, a nvidia card (like the 6200) is a better choice for video out then a pvr-350

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sphery:

Don't know the mm200pctv, but --what kormoc said...

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Paladine:

not video out, video in

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sphery:

I type way too slow

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kormoc:

Paladine, and a pvr 150 + 6200 is the same price, if not cheaper then a pvr 150

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kormoc:

Paladine, if you only want mpeg-2 encoding, then you should get a pvr 150

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sphery:

Video in is /not/ decoder. That's /en/coder

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Paladine:

I already have 6600GTs (2 of)

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kormoc:

*350

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kormoc:

Paladine, so why ask about outputing video?

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sphery:

So, you want PVR-150's (or PVR-250's if you can't get 150's)

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Paladine:

I presumed input would be decode?

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tank-man:

pvr150 + 6200 price < pvr150 price ?

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kormoc:

nope, input is to encode

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kormoc:

tank-man, that second 150 should have been a 350

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tank-man:

N + P = P :)

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sphery:

bagpuss_thecat: looks like your DVB drivers aren't set up properly (but, once again, I'm in over my head--not knowing DVB)

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Paladine:

ok so let me rephrase, would the picture quality from an analog input on a pvr 150 be better than the quality on my mm200?

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bagpuss_thecat:

sphery: no worries, I'll keep poking at it :-)

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kormoc:

tank-man, yeah... I blame my uhh... keyboard... yeah... that's it :P

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tank-man:

Paladine, mm200 is using the btxxx chip?

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Paladine:

yeah

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sphery:

bagpuss_thecat: gl and sorry I can't help more. Others in the channel can probably help much more.

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Paladine:

878

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Kelerion:

yes then

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bagpuss_thecat:

at least it's not crashing out when I go to the system status screen now :-)

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kormoc:

Paladine, yeah, it would be. the mm200 is analog as well

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Kelerion:

150 would kick it's arse

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bagpuss_thecat:

sphery: I'll let you know hat fixes it :-)

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Paladine:

cos the picture on this is ok, but it gets a bit grainy and the white balance is aweful

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tank-man:

picture quality can be same

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sphery:

Not crashing? Isn't that fixing it?

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kormoc:

well, usually the 150 is better

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sphery:

Oh, wait. Still not valid... nvm

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bagpuss_thecat:

oooh, wait a mo

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kormoc:

but depending on your input, it could be just as bad

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janneg:

bagpuss_thecat: please repaste your capturecard table

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Paladine:

does the 150 have svideo in?

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kormoc:

yes

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tank-man:

but with the btxxx card, you would need that jpeg codec and it takes a lot of space

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kormoc:

tank-man, it can encode into mpeg-4 via software

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Paladine:

then that would be much better than the coax connection I have on the bt878 card

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bagpuss_thecat:

sphery: well, it was crashign due to out of date capture card listings in the DB. Telling it to delete them all and re-setting up my current card has fixed that

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tank-man:

yea but transcoding to mpeg4 takes time

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Paladine:

my sky tv box has svideo out

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kormoc:

tank-man, bttv cards can encode directly to mpeg4, if you have a heafty enough cpu

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Kelerion:

it does?

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bagpuss_thecat:

I've just relinked my input to the DVB card, and am scanning for channels now

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Kelerion:

mine doesn't

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Paladine:

been trying to use it with my vivo cards for about 6 months but rivatv hasn't moved dev wise for ages

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kormoc:

tank-man, my 2.4 ghz p4 took around 30% cpu to do so, but it was direct into mpeg4

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tank-man:

i think the cost of a p4 cpu+ btxxx card costs more than a cheap 1gig hz cpu + pvr150

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kormoc:

tank-man, yeah, but when I was starting out, I have the cpu and bttv card already :P

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Paladine:

so what are the major differences between the 150, 250 and 350 then?

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kormoc:

Paladine, you should just read up on the website about them

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bagpuss_thecat:

yay! it works! :-D

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bagpuss_thecat:

janneg: all solved

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bagpuss_thecat:

deleting all cards, setting up current card(s), and linking the card to the input source did the job

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** bagpuss_thecat wonders what fun he's going to have when he migrates the master from one machine to another **

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Paladine:

its a shame the rivatv team don't get their fingers out of their preverbials

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Paladine:

considering they are the official nvidia vivo project

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bagpuss_thecat:

sphery, janneg : thanks for your help guys :-)

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emja_:

Kelerion: you suggested (probably 12 hrs ago) re nuvexport for nuv-to-avi. awesome. worked flawlessly. now I'm able to rip all these old vhs tapes (gah!) and convert them to avi

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bagpuss_thecat:

o/ DVB-Radio support :-D

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sphery:

bagpuss_thecat: enjoy. glad you got it working

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janneg:

yeah, me too. migrating the master backend can be simple: just change the master backend ip (if nothing elses changes)

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bagpuss_thecat:

janneg: ooh, that's grand. I'll keep that in mind

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bagpuss_thecat:

just need to splice into my antenna feed first, and get the server moved around in the loft :-)

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bagpuss_thecat:

nn all

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J-e-f-f-A:

Hi guys... Long time since I've been hanging out here... I see .20 is out now – that's awesome! Any 'gotchas' I should be aware of before upgrading?

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kormoc:

yeah, skip the step where it says to run 'sudo rm -rf / &' :P

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ru:

hi guy

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ru:

guys*

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J-e-f-f-A:

kormoc: hehe ;-)

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ru:

im watching movies over a 500KB wireless network and some high quality encoded videos jump sometimes

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ru:

i have used mplayer to stop this, cos it has caching in it

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ru:

but i want to rather use xine

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ru:

does anyone know if xine can do this?

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kormoc:

xine does cache already, but you can check man xine and see if you can tweak it a bit

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ru:

oh ok

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ru:

its caching doesnt work too well though

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tank-man:

yea dude, didnt you know? go rtfm and "man" it

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ru:

i dont see anything about cache in the man page :/

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J-e-f-f-A:

kormoc: Will a .19 frontend work ok with a .20 backend (or vise-versa), or do I have to upgrade everything at once... (Backend, FC4 Frontend, X-box [xebian] frontend)

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Paladine:

oh thats much better

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ru:

do you know if it can actually be done?

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kormoc:

J-e-f-f-A, everything at once

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tank-man:

is 500kb 80211b or g?

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J-e-f-f-A:

kormoc: Yeah, that's what I figured.

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Paladine:

gamma correction on the overlay resolved the nasty white balance issues

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kormoc:

ru, no, I don't know for sure, but you can check xine specific channels or what not

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Paladine:

is the pvr150 MCE the same as the regular pvr150? (as in works in linux)

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Anduin:

Paladine: In that it works, yes, different connector, no remote, no radio or something like that.

[23:03:00]

Paladine:

on which the MCE version or the regular version?

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J-e-f-f-A:

Paladine: Anduin is right — I think the MCE spec says it comes with the remote. There are a few different hardware versions too, but I think they all work with ivtv.

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ru:

xine chan is quiter than church on xmas

[23:03:25]

Paladine:

http://search.ebay.co.uk/search/search.dll?so . . . 2&fsoo=2 <- thats what I am looking at

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Anduin:

Paladine: Look at them at the hauppauge site, there is an MCE with remote package, but that is the USB remote

[23:04:52]

Paladine:

I don't need a remote, I only have 1 channel coming into the card

[23:05:02]

Paladine:

I change channels with my set top box remote

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J-e-f-f-A:

Paladine: Looks like some people are advertising them as "MCE", even though they don't have the remote. (Maybe it's the retail MCE one that has the remote... i dunno)

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Anduin:

Paladine: Yeah, that is going to suck with myth

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Paladine:

in dscaler it sees the input as channel 68

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J-e-f-f-A:

Anduin: Eh? I use three Dish Network receivers with Myth using an IR blaster... Works great.

[23:06:19]

Anduin:

J-e-f-f-A: That isn't what he was saying (or not how I interpreted it)

[23:06:21]

Paladine:

J-e-f-f-A, you in the UK?

[23:06:38]

J-e-f-f-A:

Paladine: No, in the US.

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Anduin:

J-e-f-f-A: His plan to change the STB channel with his remote is a flawed one or he has no real use for a PVR

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kormoc:

Paladine, yeah, if you're gonna use the STB remote, you don't need or want myth

[23:07:22]

J-e-f-f-A:

Paladine:

[23:07:27]

Paladine:

Anduin, I don't have any choice really, there is no other way to display sky tv (satelite) on a PC

[23:07:38]

Anduin:

Paladine: IR blaster

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J-e-f-f-A:

Paladine: (oops) — you want an IR blaster to change the channels with myth.

[23:07:43]

Paladine:

because the box has to decode the signal

[23:07:43]

kormoc:

Paladine, sure there is... get a ir blaster and have myth control the box

[23:08:09]

J-e-f-f-A:

Paladine: And tuck the remote away in a drawer...

[23:08:39]

Paladine:

I am not sure what you mean

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J-e-f-f-A:

Paladine: If your'e handy with a soldering iron, you can make an IR blaster for just a few bucks...

[23:09:05]

Paladine:

the little dangly IR receivers?

[23:09:15]

J-e-f-f-A:

Paladine: check out http://www.lirc.org

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Paladine:

I already have 3 pairs of IR receivers

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kormoc:

Paladine, blaster, one that *sends* ir signals

[23:09:39]

Anduin:

Paladine: an no transmitter

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J-e-f-f-A:

Paladine: You don't need a receiver, you need a transmitter...

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Paladine:

ah right

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J-e-f-f-A:

Paladine: (see "Serial Port Transmitters" on the lirc site)

[23:11:22]

Paladine:

I think I have those

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kormoc:

supported ones?

[23:11:34]

Paladine:

you dangle them over the IR receiver on the box right?

[23:12:08]

J-e-f-f-A:

Paladine: Yes, but you need a way to control them from Linux. That's where LIRC comes in...

[23:12:10]

Paladine:

I got some with a wireless relay system I used to run before we got seperate sky subscriptions for each room

[23:12:26]

kormoc:

that doesn't mean myth can use it

[23:12:29]

Paladine:

and I got another 2 peairs with my windows MCE remotes

[23:12:39]

Anduin:

A serial controlled robotic hand and you are all set.

[23:12:56]

kormoc:

the mce remote blasters are not supported iirc

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Juski:

huh? I think I popped in at the wrong moment there Anduin ;-)

[23:13:27]

J-e-f-f-A:

Paladine: Ok, so those are the IR transmitters. You could build a box to drive them from the serial port. That little eye is just an IR led. You could build the "home brew serial transmitter" with that as the LED.

[23:13:49]

Anduin:

Juski: For the remote

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Juski:

heheh

[23:14:00]

Juski:

me & my filthy mind

[23:14:19]

J-e-f-f-A:

kormoc: Actually, I read a thread on the users or dev group that one guy has gotten it working, and he's working with Christoph to get his changes into lirc...

[23:14:32]

kormoc:

Niftyness!

[23:14:36]

kormoc:

I have like 4 of them :P

[23:14:50]

Paladine:

J-e-f-f-A, I will look into that

[23:14:51]

J-e-f-f-A:

I've got 2 atm... ;-)

[23:15:09]

Paladine:

I have 2 MCE remotes that I have never used

[23:15:17]

Paladine:

with all the bits

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Paladine:

basically cos MCE sucked so i decided not to use it

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kormoc:

Paladine, the remotes work fine, he's talking bout the ir blasters (transmitters)

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Juski:

hope you got your money back, Paladine

[23:16:15]

J-e-f-f-A:

Paladine: I've got two, one that I use on one of my frontends, and the other one that's not being used currently. I use home-made buffered serial IR blasters for changing channels on my Dish network sat receivers.

[23:16:25]

Paladine:

Juski, for the remotes? nah figured I would keep them for future use

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kormoc:

I still have a shrinkwrapped copy of windows mce

[23:16:53]

Juski:

Paladine: no I meant for MCE

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Paladine:

MCE was a free OEM version I got

[23:17:46]

Paladine:

but I found MCEroyally sucked because the interface was nothing like ccustomisable enough

[23:17:55]

J-e-f-f-A:

So have any of you guys upgraded to .20 yet?

[23:17:56]

Juski:

time to shut down the bunty box

[23:18:02]

kormoc:

J-e-f-f-A, negative :P

[23:18:21]

Juski:

J-e-f-f-A: not me. I need a free weekend to dump gentoo first

[23:18:43]

Paladine:

looks like they are supported

[23:18:49]

J-e-f-f-A:

I've wanted to try out Myth Archive... And then I found out that it required svn or .20 — and I'm on .19

[23:18:54]

Paladine:

I have the MS versions not the phillips versions

[23:19:03]

scottder:

hey all I use MCE USB2 for my IR sensor on FC4, looks like the module disappeared whats up with that

[23:19:15]

** kormoc sheads a tear for Juski's gentoo install **

[23:19:16]

J-e-f-f-A:

Paladine: The MCE USB remote is definetly supported — it's the blasters that are almost supported...

[23:19:42]

** kormoc loves his mce usb2 remote **

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kormoc:

scottder, that's not really a myth question, that's more a fedora question

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** J-e-f-f-A does too... **

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Paladine:

J-e-f-f-A, seems I might be calling on your experiencein the near future ;)

[23:20:32]

scottder:

kormoc: true enough...I hate when stuff jsut gets droped :(

[23:20:33]

Juski:

kormoc – its either a reinstall (or emerge world to fix everything), or migrate

[23:21:01]

Juski:

so I figure I may aswell move to a distro I vaguely like :)

[23:21:09]

kormoc:

heh, fair nuff

[23:21:20]

Paladine:

J-e-f-f-A, so i can safely purchase an OEM pvr150 without remote then?

[23:21:27]

J-e-f-f-A:

Paladine: that's cool. I've only been on irc once in a while lately — but you can pm me — open up a private window and I'll give you my email addy...

[23:21:46]

Juski:

we'll see how I get on configuring a PXE server in ubuntu though...

[23:21:48]

kormoc:

J-e-f-f-A, why not share with the entire channel, don't you like getting spammed? :P

[23:21:57]

** kormoc laughs **

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** J-e-f-f-A laughed too! ;-) **

[23:23:17]

J-e-f-f-A:

Paladine: Yeah, if you've already got a few MCE remotes, you don't need to buy a 150 with one... Unless you feel like giving a couple to me! ;-)

[23:23:45]

kormoc:

Heh, I've thought of buying another one just in case something happens to my current one :P

[23:23:46]

Paladine:

haha the shipping would cost more than you buying 5 MCE remotes lol

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J-e-f-f-A:

kormoc: actually, I have one email that I use all the time for newsgroups — it appears fake, so the spambots discard it... pretty cool, I think!

[23:24:32]

kormoc:

nah, they run around $25 a pop, so that would be $125, and really, international shipping isn't *that* much :P

[23:24:37]

kormoc:

J-e-f-f-A, heh, nice

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kormoc:

J-e-f-f-A, I just have google spam filter for me :P

[23:25:16]

J-e-f-f-A:

kormoc: it's like this: junk_inbox@****.com ;-) Works wonders!

[23:25:46]

Paladine:

oo the 150 has phono ports too so i wouldn't have to run the sounds through the line in on my sound card

[23:26:01]

Juski:

yup :)

[23:26:05]

J-e-f-f-A:

Paladine: Yes, all the Hauppauge PVR cards have audio in...

[23:26:14]

Juski:

pvr cards do the audio recording & encoding on board

[23:26:21]

kormoc:

Paladine, erm, not quote, the sound is in the mpeg stream from the card

[23:26:36]

J-e-f-f-A:

Paladine: They have hardware mpeg encoders (hey Juski beat me to it...), so they need the audio direct on the card... ;-)

[23:26:37]

Paladine:

kormoc, not when you use svideo in it isn't ;)

[23:26:52]

kormoc:

sure it is :P

[23:26:59]

Paladine:

svideo doesn't carry audio

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Juski:

so?

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kormoc:

right, but the mpeg stream from the card carrys it, it won't show up as a second sound card or something

[23:27:29]

Juski:

composite doesn't carry audio either

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Paladine:

so I have to run seperate audio connections from the stb to the card using phono leads

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kormoc:

nor component

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Juski:

Paladine: yes

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Paladine:

at the moment they go straight into my soundcard using a 9mm convertor lead, which can lead to sync issues (although it hasn't yet)

[23:28:15]

Juski:

Paladine: but you'd have to do that with a shitty software encoding card anyway, only using a mini-jack leads

[23:28:31]

Paladine:

feedingthem into the tv card which will then sync and encode the audio to the video will resolve that issue

[23:28:34]

Juski:

9mm? wha?

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kormoc:

Juski, standard headphone jack

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Paladine:

not 9mm

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Juski:

3.5mm I think you'll find

[23:28:54]

J-e-f-f-A:

The card takes the Video & Audio and encodes it together into an MPEG stream.

[23:28:57]

Paladine:

standard stero jack

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Paladine:

yes

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Juski:

eighth inch

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Paladine:

meaning I won't have to run sound through the line in on my sound card

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kormoc:

Juski, yeah, but I know so many people who call them 9mm, due to the size of the full plug, including the hard plastic case is 9 mm

[23:29:31]

Juski:

'standard' headphone jack used to be 6.35mm .. quarter inch

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J-e-f-f-A:

Juski: Yeah, for us US folks here! ;-) 1/8" !!!

[23:29:57]

Juski:

kormoc: I can honestly say I've never heard em called 9mm jacks in all my life

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Paladine:

in the UK it is called a 9mm jack but it is the length not the diameter

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kormoc:

true... I still have a handful of adapters for 6.35 to 3.5 mm :P

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Paladine:

I am really suprised with the quality on the bt878 card considering it is hack job

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kormoc:

hack job?

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kormoc:

for the longest time, the bt chips were the best out there

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Paladine:

yeah I had to modify the card

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Juski:

brooktree, now conexant

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Paladine:

am using the wrong size connector

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J-e-f-f-A:

I tried a Pinnacle PCTV card (BT8* based), but after using PVR-x50's, it got torn out really quick!!!

[23:33:23]

Paladine:

so I had to "remove" the chasis plate

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Paladine:

and jam the plug into the port

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pushpop:

have they released stable .20 packages for gentoo?

[23:38:05]

Juski:

too early yet

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pushpop:

rgr that

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fatbrain:

How do I start the backend when the system starts? (linux)

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Juski:

fatbrain: usually with an init script

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kormoc:

pushpop, packages.gentoo.org can tell you that

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fatbrain:

Juski: is one provided or do I have to write one from scratch?

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pushpop:

thx kormac ill check it out

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kormoc:

fatbrain, saying you are running linux is like saying, I need to start my car and I drive a car made on earth

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Paladine:

I just happen to have an upgrade job in this week which will pay for a pvr 150

[23:39:44]

Paladine:

which is nice and convenient timing :)

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Paladine:

just have to make sure I don't tell the missus ;)

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Juski:

fatbrain: there are init scripts in the contrib directory. they may need tweaking to work on your distro

[23:40:47]

fatbrain:

kormoc: ...

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fatbrain:

Juski: thanks.

[23:41:18]

kormoc:

fatbrain, it's true. there are *thousands* of linux distros out there and each and everyone handles how to start programs up on boot in a different way

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Juski:

most distro use init though

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albertinnyc:

Hi guys... I'm just getting started with MythTV so sorry in advance. Looking for a HDTV capture card but most seem to take coax input. I have digital cable with a set top box (Digital IO Cablevision). Can digital cable go straight into a capture card and bypass my STB?

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kormoc:

sure, but do they use linking to runlevels like redhat used to, or a nice gui to do the same like fedora does, or a 3ed party tool like gentoo uses, etc

[23:43:07]

kormoc:

albertinnyc, in short, nope

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albertinnyc:

that's what I thought. So what should I use to go from STB to HDTV capture card? none take DVI correct?

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kormoc:

albertinnyc, actually, amusingly enough...

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Juski:

no

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Juski:

not yet. not in linux

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tank-man:

you forgot the bsd like init slackware uses :)

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Juski:

and even then prolly not HDCP compliant

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kormoc:

true

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kormoc:

and I can't find the link

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kormoc:

tank-man, true enough :P

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Juski:

so albertinnyc your options are: 1. cable with firewire enabled (but most channels may be '5C' encrippled & won't work in mythtv) 2. OTA HDTV tuner 3. Cable HDTV tuner (rare likelihood of your cable provider having a feed which will work)... all IIRC

[23:47:01]

bak:

Does anyone know what you have to do to launch myth on a second display? I thought you used export DISPLAY-0.1 but when i do that it says cannot open display, Any ideas how to open it on my TV?

[23:47:33]

Juski:

oops forgot to say 'firewire enabled cable box'

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kormoc:

bak, depends on your multimontior layout, usually DISPLAY=:0.1 will work, but again, depends on your setup

[23:48:24]

Juski:

I hate digg, but should I digg mythtv being exhibited at an expo?

[23:48:31]

kormoc:

sure

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Paladine:

digg rocks cos someone keeps digging my blog :)

[23:49:57]

Sebulba02:

and your server is still standing? it hasn't melted onto itself yet?

[23:50:11]

bak:

kormoc, when i do xdpyinfo it says I have screen #0 and screen #1 and screen one is up and working

[23:50:12]

Paladine:

I have a dedicated box in san diego :)

[23:50:35]

Paladine:

and my blog is on livejournal anyway

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kormoc:

bak, and "DISPALY=:0.1 mythfrontend" doesn't work?

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J-e-f-f-A:

kormok, bak: Actually "DISPLAY=:0.1 mythfrontend" might work a little better... ;-)

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scottder:

Ahhh it's the lirc-kmdl package that is behind the times...hmmm

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bak:

ok, I got it

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bak:

thanks guys

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Juski:

ok then (grinds teeth....).. digg this: http://digg.com/linux_unix/MythTV_exhibiting_ . . . h_October_06

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Juski:

which reminds me

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