Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Monday, September 11th, 2006, 00:00 UTC

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Leebier:

hey, i'm upgrading to FC5 to prepare for myth 0.20. Thoughts on reformatting and starting over vs just upgrading?

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kleptophobiac2:

if you're confident with linux, you might want to venture to a less bloated distro

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mchou:

upgrading to FC5 from what?

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Leebier:

klepto- was that for me?

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Leebier:

FC3 (been away for a year)

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kleptophobiac2:

Leebier – sure?

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hjohnson_:

hmm.. I wonder if a Pentium M would be able to handle HD content..

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Leebier:

klepto- comin in the room, didn't know if it was a response to an earlier question non-related to my query

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kleptophobiac2:

haha, it was targeted to you

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Slugger:

Anyone here familiar with the myth comm protocol?

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mchou:

kleptophobiac2: I dont see how FC5 is "bloated." You can install/not install anything you want, just like any other linux distro

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kleptophobiac2:

it's a different philosophy

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kleptophobiac2:

FC5 comes with a lot of stuff you pare down

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kleptophobiac2:

i'm not saying it can't be done

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kleptophobiac2:

or that FC5 is bad

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kleptophobiac2:

just that there might be options out there to let people grow as members of the linux community

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Leebier:

the other advantage of FC is the ability to use jarod's walkthrough as most of my linux hacking is when i mess with the mythbox (desktops are not running linux, alas)

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mchou:

kleptophobiac2: only if you choose the stupid "default" settings

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kleptophobiac2:

and maybe get a more responsive box

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kleptophobiac2:

:P

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mchou:

kleptophobiac2: lemme guess, you gonna recommend gentoo?

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guru18:

ok, now that I can connect to a remote backend from my laptop, I find out that it is too slow to play standard definition tv. Is there anything I can do to reduce the stress on the system?

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kleptophobiac2:

mchou – nope, sorry. i don't like gentoo

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kleptophobiac2:

compiling stuff from scratch just takes too damn long

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kleptophobiac2:

and i'm too lazy

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guru18:

kleptophobiac2: I'm using gentoo

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Leebier:

as much as i love the distro-wars, what are thoughts on trying to get anaconda to upgrade (having issues with that, but i know it's for another chan) vs a reformat?

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kleptophobiac2:

reformat is always cleaner

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kleptophobiac2:

and if you don't have anything of particular importance

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kleptophobiac2:

it's easier

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kleptophobiac2:

plus with linux

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mchou:

Leebier: reformat

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Leebier:

agreed, but cleaner enough to be worth the effort?

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kleptophobiac2:

backing up conf's is easy

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kleptophobiac2:

yes, i'd say it is

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mchou:

Leebier: just leave home and etc alone :)

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mchou:

Leebier: if stability is important to ya, then reformat is a better choice :)

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Leebier:

well, anaconda seems interested in reformatting all linux partitions

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mchou:

Leebier: cause you dont want rto be debugging "mysterious" crap

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Leebier:

what confs are best to backup to get myth as fast as possible (following 0.20's release)

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** kleptophobiac2 doesn't like auto partitioners **

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kleptophobiac2:

Leebier – that depends completely on your setup

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kleptophobiac2:

in most cases

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Leebier:

or anything at all? considering i'm running .18

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kleptophobiac2:

there's not much of any importance

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kleptophobiac2:

most of the confs relate to your startup and shutdown, as well as configuration of any services you have running. unless you're using mythweb and apache, there's probably nothing that needs saving

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kleptophobiac2:

and nuking is not really such a bad deal

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mchou:

Leebier: if you need to ask this then I see a reformat in your future

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Leebier:

well, i had a feeling this was goiung to be the answer

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Leebier:

just hadn't psyched myself up for starting over yet :)

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kleptophobiac2:

the biggest things to back up

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kleptophobiac2:

are ~/lircrc and /etc/lircd.conf

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Leebier:

ahhh, yes

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mchou:

Leebier: the smarter thing to do is get a bigger hard drive (or two) and "ping pong" between distro versions

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kleptophobiac2:

and any custom configurations for window managers

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mchou:

Leebier: then there will be no need to back up anything :)

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kleptophobiac2:

Leebier, mchou's suggestion, while requiring more hardware, is the most foolproof option

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Leebier:

am too unemployed to put more $$$ into the box right now :)

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kleptophobiac2:

no spare drives?

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kleptophobiac2:

even small ones?

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Leebier:

hrmm, actually...

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kleptophobiac2:

you don't need to back up your whole data collection

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kleptophobiac2:

what you can do

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Leebier:

right

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kleptophobiac2:

is install the new distro on the smaller drive

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kleptophobiac2:

get happy with it

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kleptophobiac2:

then dump that onto the bigger one, overwriting your old distro

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kleptophobiac2:

10GB should be plenty

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mchou:

Leebier: keep my suggestion in mind when you reformat :)

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Leebier:

i shall ponder this. there are a couple unused boxes in my parent's living room

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Leebier:

not sur ewhat kind of drives are then them

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Leebier:

are in them(

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Leebier:

*

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mchou:

Leebier: man, you are truely a sad case....if you gotta scavenge your parents' box

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hjohnson:

hehe

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mchou:

Leebier: is grandma next?

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kleptophobiac2:

don't hate on scavenging

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kleptophobiac2:

i built several microcomputers entirely with harvested parts

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kleptophobiac2:

i pick up dead consumer electronics on garbage day as i drive through my sub

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Leebier:

cute

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mchou:

kleptophobiac2: there is nothing wrong with scavenging....it's the "parents" that's the sad part

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Leebier:

nearly the whole mythbox is scavanged

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Leebier:

will upgrade once the paychecks start soonish :)

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Leebier:

hey, built the boxes for them a few years back, least i can do is use the drives when they're done :)

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guru18:

how much bandwidth is necessary for streaming sdtv?

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mchou:

Leebier: craigslist

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kleptophobiac2:

guru18 – about 3 megabits

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mchou:

Leebier: in the "free" section

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kleptophobiac2:

though that depends completely on bitrate

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Leebier:

not until i move :)

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Leebier:

last thing i need right now is more stuff before moving

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guru18:

ok so 500KB/s should do it? meaning that the ssh encryption is the bottleneck, not my cpu

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mchou:

Leebier: although not too many ppl give away HDDs cause of identity theft and whatnot

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kleptophobiac2:

SSH encryption is CPU dependent

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guru18:

my cpu is at 30% while playing live tv

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kleptophobiac2:

and it's playing cleanly?

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guru18:

but there are prebuffering pauses

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guru18:

no

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mchou:

guru18: that's normal

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kleptophobiac2:

a lot of things in myth are a hack

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kleptophobiac2:

live tv is one of them

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guru18:

stuttering video is not

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kleptophobiac2:

pause live tv

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kleptophobiac2:

wait about ten seconds

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kleptophobiac2:

and play it

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kleptophobiac2:

is there any improvement?

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guru18:

hmm k

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kleptophobiac2:

CPU specs on FE versus BE?

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mchou:

guru18: prebuffering pause in myth livetv is a fact of life no matter how beefy your cpu :)

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kleptophobiac2:

what kind of encryption?

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guru18:

whatever the default is

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kleptophobiac2:

mchou – there are lots of little niggles like that

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kleptophobiac2:

there's a big push for more features

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guru18:

I haven't found the param to change it

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kleptophobiac2:

but i'd rather see dev time going to refinement of the current features

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** kleptophobiac2 wishes he was a real coder so he could help **

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mchou:

kleptophobiac2: livetv is not really a "feature" for myth

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guru18:

BE is a athlon64 at 2.3GHz, FE is a Transmeta Efficeon 8600

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mchou:

kleptophobiac2: it's more for testing

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mchou:

guru18: is this a laptop?

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guru18:

pausing doesn't get rid of stuttering

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guru18:

yes

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mchou:

guru18: lol

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mchou:

guru18: you shoulda told us that earlier

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guru18:

mchou: it plays video fine if it's just coming off of the hard drive

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Juski:

guru18: try an nfs share of your recordings directory

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ShockValue:

.20!

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ShockValue:

?!

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mchou:

guru18: I'm not all that familiar with transmeta procs.... what's an 8600 equivalent to in intel?

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GreyFoxx:

ShockValue: patience :)

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Juski:

is 0.20 going to have a chess game? :-P

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guru18:

hmm, it's difficult to compare actually

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Juski:

just asking before that rambo dude does ;)

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guru18:

i'd say better than a p3 but not quite a p4

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mchou:

guru18: just a guesstimate will suffice

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GreyFoxx:

heh

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guru18:

it's not fast by any means

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Juski:

with a name like 8600 it sounds 800mhz ish

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guru18:

1000 actually

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Juski:

1ghz should be enough to play back standard def telly

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mchou:

guru18: is that it's actual clock or "intel equivalent" clock

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Juski:

try the nfs share trick

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mchou:

its*

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guru18:

actual

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guru18:

Juski: i'm going to mess with ssh a bit more first

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mchou:

guru18: I dont think your prebuffer pauses are due to ssh

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Juski:

mchou: it might if he's forwarding everything over it

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mchou:

guru18: in fact I think you're barking up the wrong tree there.....

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guru18:

which I am

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kleptophobiac2:

mchou – i didn't mean livetv in particular

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kleptophobiac2:

there are lots of rough edges to myth

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kleptophobiac2:

lots of crashing (more the FE than the BE)

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kleptophobiac2:

the plugins sortof suck

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guru18:

I haven't had probs with that actually

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mchou:

kleptophobiac2: I've never had FE crash

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kleptophobiac2:

the best thing about myth is the backend

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kleptophobiac2:

the scheduler is pretty intelligent

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kleptophobiac2:

the commercial skip rocks

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GreyFoxx:

mchou: I've had maybe 5 crashes in thelasty 8 months

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mchou:

kleptophobiac2: I've had slave BE crash cause the MBE wasnt on :)

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GreyFoxx:

and each was something being worked on in svn

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mchou:

GreyFoxx: how long you leave the fe on?

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kleptophobiac2:

my frontend crashes fairly frequently, most often in mythmusic

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GreyFoxx:

mchou: 24 7 on 5 TV's

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kleptophobiac2:

the backend seems to crash once every two months

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guru18:

I don't use plugins, so the basic dvr functionality seems pretty stable

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GreyFoxx:

Mybackened NEVER crashes

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GreyFoxx:

neither of them

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mchou:

GreyFoxx: hehe, I've never kept fe "on" for more than 4 hrs at a time :)

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kleptophobiac2:

mine crashes sometimes on the treshhold of recordings

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kleptophobiac2:

i leave both systems on 24/7

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GreyFoxx:

I have 1 slavebackend, 1masterbackend + frontend, and 4 frontends only.

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mchou:

GreyFoxx: maybe that's why I never experience fe crashes

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GreyFoxx:

Every crash I've had has been cause of something that was being worked on and not finished yet. Which I expect since I always run svn

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kleptophobiac2:

I've been sticking to .19-fixes

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GreyFoxx:

and I use Mythvideo, and mythgame a lot

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kleptophobiac2:

i use those and mythweather and mythmusic

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GreyFoxx:

the wife uses mythmusic, but I never do

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kleptophobiac2:

mythvideo the most

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kleptophobiac2:

mythvideo is ok

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kleptophobiac2:

but i think the UI could be improved

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kleptophobiac2:

mythmusic crashes when i change the playlist

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mchou:

yeah, mythmusic gui can use some improvement

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GreyFoxx:

For me its recording playback, -> mythtvideo -> mythgame

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kleptophobiac2:

sometimes

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kleptophobiac2:

the music UI just sucks

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djperegrin1:

what version of ivtv should I use

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kleptophobiac2:

mythgame is pretty good

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kleptophobiac2:

mythweather is decent

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djperegrin1:

just 0.4.3 ? or should I use the newest 0.7 ?

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kleptophobiac2:

i like the .6 series

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mchou:

kleptophobiac2: if it sucks, suggest how to fix the ui

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gnychis:

is there an easy way to switch between a windowed mode and full screen mode on mythftonend?

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kleptophobiac2:

as a ticket or a post in the group?

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gnychis:

mythfrontend

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GreyFoxx:

Gonna be a bunch of mythgame changes coming soon to improve rom detection after 0.20 is out

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GreyFoxx:

gnychis: nope

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GreyFoxx:

gnychis: but when you start it you can specify the screensize

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kleptophobiac2:

so .20 is still go for a release tonight?

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GreyFoxx:

but it can't do it on the fly

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mchou:

kleptophobiac2: I no ui guy. but while I agree the music UI sucks I'm at a loss on how to actually offer constructive suggestions on how it can be improved

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GreyFoxx:

kleptophobiac2: Nothing different has been said,so it looks like it

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kleptophobiac2:

there's no reason for the UI to be anything but a list of songs in a library

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gnychis:

GreyFoxx: how? I don't have a man page for "mythtv" or "mythfrontend"

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GreyFoxx:

gnychis: mythfrontend --help

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kleptophobiac2:

there's no reason to force definition of a playlist

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kleptophobiac2:

and no reason the library should only be browseable by a hierarchy defined in the config screen rather than with a "sort by" function like in mythvideo

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kleptophobiac2:

page up and page down really should page up and page down rather than ff or rw a song. who actually does that?

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mchou:

kleptophobiac2: dude, all you are saying is "dont do it this way", which aint helpful

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GreyFoxx:

but basically, mythfrontend -geometry 640x480 or whatever

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kleptophobiac2:

mchou – no, i'm not

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mchou:

kleptophobiac2: say "let's do it this way" would be more helpful

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kleptophobiac2:

note my, "rather than with a sort by function like in mythvideo"

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kleptophobiac2:

i'm offering a different and concrete method

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Juski:

"more like xbmc" wouldn't be the answer either. I hate having to use that to set up playlists

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kleptophobiac2:

well, IRC is no place for a dissertation on UI design

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** Juski goes to see what his theme looks like on a real TV... **

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kleptophobiac2:

there are a couple of other major things that irk me about myth. the fe UI in general is not particularly integrated between plugins. each has its own system that is not intuitive to the person familiar with base myth

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kleptophobiac2:

also, the configuration screen system with dozens of pages of config under loosely related headings is a little awkward

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kleptophobiac2:

i'm looking forward to .20 to see how that's all different

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kleptophobiac2:

having a two pane hierarchial approach to config would be really nice

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GreyFoxx:

Don't expect massive differences in the interface

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kleptophobiac2:

how significant is the change to mythui?

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kleptophobiac2:

the changelog is a little murky on that

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GreyFoxx:

not very

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GreyFoxx:

A lot of that work is in a seperate branch

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gnychis:

is there any way to increase the audio of the mythfrontend without increasing the audio of my whole system? the TV audio is so much quiter than the rest of my system

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kleptophobiac2:

gnychis – look at the recording and playback profiles under general

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kleptophobiac2:

i think you can set the PVR recording volume

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kleptophobiac2:

that's another thing

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kleptophobiac2:

it would be cool if myth had a unified video and audio backend

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kleptophobiac2:

so there was a chain of filters that could modify a stream before it reached its output device

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gnychis:

kleptophobiac2: thanks, got it

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kleptophobiac2:

np

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kleptophobiac2:

one of the things i'd like to see is universal automatic gain control

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kleptophobiac2:

some sources are lots louder than others

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kleptophobiac2:

and it's a bitch to have the system boom at me and have to do finger gymnastics to find the mute button while i fix the volume to a reasonable level

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mchou:

haha!

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guru18:

or perhaps an additional commercial flagging option based on volume

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mchou:

kleptophobiac2: did you eardrums blow out?

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kleptophobiac2:

haha, no

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kleptophobiac2:

i never keep the speakers up that high

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kleptophobiac2:

but if i'm watching at night

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kleptophobiac2:

i hate thinking i'd wake somebody up

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mchou:

kleptophobiac2: bluetooth headphones :)

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kleptophobiac2:

meh

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corfe:

bah, sorry if this is a frequently asked question, but is a new release coming soon? Thinking of building a mythbox pretty soon, and I know the last release was a wihle ago...

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kleptophobiac2:

not good after you're used to 5.1 surround

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kleptophobiac2:

corfe – .20 is expected at any time

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mchou:

kleptophobiac2: true that. but if you're concerned about waking someone up 5.1 aint exactly right :)

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corfe:

great

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kleptophobiac2:

haha

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kleptophobiac2:

it's still a pleasure even if the volume is down

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kleptophobiac2:

i watch in a sound insulated basement

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corfe:

kleptophobiac2: thanks

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kleptophobiac2:

so it'd have to be up quite loud for it to actually wake anybody up

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kleptophobiac2:

but i still feel bad about it

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kleptophobiac2:

and it still sucks to have music and movies and tv all at widely disparate levels

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kleptophobiac2:

http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/1522/screenns2.jpg

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mchou:

kleptophobiac2: that's puny

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kleptophobiac2:

good enough for my seating area

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kleptophobiac2:

78"

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kleptophobiac2:

and it was all pretty inexpensive

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hobophobe:

What enables/disables mythtv using lirc?

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Juski:

blech! I no longer like my themes. anyone else wanna take up the baton?

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hobophobe:

gonna try restarting maybe that'll fix it

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GreyFoxx:

Heh

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hobophobe:

94210 crap

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GreyFoxx:

Juski: That's the problem when you share your work

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GreyFoxx:

It goes from fun, to work

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Juski:

grayhem looks nice on a monitor, but not on a CRT TV

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Juski:

I'll give the new one more of a chance.. it's 2am so I'm a bit bleary-eyed

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Juski:

I can't stand blue.. don't like the grey anymore.. green is erm... yuk...

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Juski:

dunno where else it can go, tasteful colour wise

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kleptophobiac2:

purple?

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Juski:

tasteful

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kleptophobiac2:

purple can be done right

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Juski:

really?

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kleptophobiac2:

i dunno

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kleptophobiac2:

i'm no interior designer

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Juski:

nor am I

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kleptophobiac2:

what's wrong with blue?

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Juski:

every TV UI I've ever seen is blue

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kleptophobiac2:

maybe because it's pleasant on the eyes and allows for all sorts of color combinations

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Juski:

I know there must be something in it.. but the reason I started on this is that the last thing I wanted was yet another blue theme

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kleptophobiac2:

try deep red

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kleptophobiac2:

black highlights, white text?

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Juski:

CRT TVs don't keep up with reds very well

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kleptophobiac2:

mine seems to handle it fine

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hobophobe:

If you had to pick between udev and dbus causing snow, which is more likely?

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kleptophobiac2:

udev?

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Juski:

you have to be careful about saturation is all

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kleptophobiac2:

most people have their CRT's color cranked up to ridiculous levels

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kleptophobiac2:

the average mythtver should be better about that

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Juski:

maybe somebody's fucked with the bright/contrast on my set

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kleptophobiac2:

plus a deep red should be lots better about that than a 255-0–0 red

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Juski:

I'll dig video essentials out again tomorrow

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hays:

how do you guys do DVD rips to your mythtv boxes such that menus are preserved but still get mpeg-4/h264 compression?

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Juski:

you don't do you?

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kleptophobiac2:

i don't

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kleptophobiac2:

i hate menus

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hjohnson:

hays: you can't, really

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hays:

argh.

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kleptophobiac2:

i want only the movie

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hobophobe:

I hope this fixes it

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hays:

Well some of my movies have subtitles and stuff and it would be nice to be able to configure them

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kleptophobiac2:

you can rip subtitles to text files

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Juski:

there we go... weather-ui.xml all fixed

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Juski:

time for bed

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Juski:

g'night

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kleptophobiac2:

haha

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kleptophobiac2:

good night

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hays:

kleptophobiac2: yeah, but it sure would be simpler if there was an automated way to just capture whatever the menu has and bring that up so bonus material or whatever is preserved, for example, for DVDs of TV shows... Or DVDs where you can enable a director's cut, etc.

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kleptophobiac2:

eh, sorry

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hays:

so the only way to do that is to store a 7 GIG thing. damn.

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kleptophobiac2:

basically

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kleptophobiac2:

though you can recompress the mpeg2 to a lower bitrate

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hays:

heh, yeah.. I know

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hays:

that sucks however :)

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kleptophobiac2:

yessir

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hays:

I can only store 200 movies and then I'm full.. heh

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kleptophobiac2:

lol

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kleptophobiac2:

i keep only the movies

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kleptophobiac2:

and compress to mpeg4

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hays:

I watch a lot of art films and crap in french.. I need to write a script that will automate subtitles and language selection

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kleptophobiac2:

probably a good thin

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kleptophobiac2:

*thing

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hays:

and finally transcoding appropriately

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kleptophobiac2:

i find doing this is easier in the windows world

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hays:

I like the menus.. Such a simple solution

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hays:

I had hoped there was a way to do it with matroska or something

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kleptophobiac2:

unclear

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kleptophobiac2:

i don't know much about nuv or mkv

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hays:

http://forum.doom9.org/archive/index.php/t-104656.html

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hays:

hmm

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tjcarter:

hey all, I have mysql question.. I was testing out a frontend for a wintendo. It told the mysql database that it was viewing a program and promptly crashed.

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tjcarter:

Figures.

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tjcarter:

Anyway, now I cannot delete that recording because it is "currently in use"..

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tjcarter:

What do I look for in the database to kill this?

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kleptophobiac2:

roar i'm antsy waiting for .20

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ShockValue:

woot.. i just signed up for comcast digital, adn I have 2 hi-def firewire boxes showing up next week

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kleptophobiac2:

hurrah

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mchou:

ShockValue: next week??

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mchou:

ShockValue: go get them the same day

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mchou:

as you order them

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mchou:

ShockValue: just show up at the local comcast office

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Laggy_McGee:

I just upgraded to myth .19 and now am getting database connection errors when trying to run mythfilldatabase

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Laggy_McGee:

I got the connection errors for mythbackend, too – but then I recompiled QT with MySQL support and they went away, but I still get the same error for mythfilldatabase

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giovani:

I'm wondering if there's any established way to control a "playing" front-end from either another front end (i.e. on a touchscreen display), or through the use of other software completely

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tank-man:

telnet

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tank-man:

enable it

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giovani:

sigh

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hays:

is there a way to cheat and transcode a DVD to mpeg4 such that ogle or vlc might play it?

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ShockValue:

mchou: they're insisting they have to do "an install"

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tank-man:

Q: is there a way to make mythcommflag use this "--gencutlist" as a default option ?

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GreyFoxx:

giovani: The telnet interface gives you pretty much everything you would need to make a touchscreen interface. Infact the company thatpaid the bounty to get it made uses it as the backend for touchscreen controls I believe

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defaultro:

hey folks

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defaultro:

.20 isn't out yet?

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ShockValue:

mchou: i havent had comcast in the past, so they want to come out to the house and pretend to do something magical to make it work

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GreyFoxx:

It's just that noone has made a pretty free gui for it

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defaultro:

hi GreyFoxx

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giovani:

GreyFoxx: alright, well, that's good to know, although, not particularly a solution to a "touchscreen" control

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giovani:

good idea of a summer of code project :)

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giovani:

for*

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ShockValue:

anyone good with lirc? ive compiled it, loaded the modules, etc, but when i got to test it, i get nothing... (no errors, no warnings, no nothin!)

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GreyFoxx:

Sure it is,the gui calls the telnet interface. Then your gui can be anything from awebbrowser to a palm pilot

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Servo888:

Is there any reason why ivtv-radio would not work when mythtv is running but not playing / recording anything?

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giovani:

GreyFoxx: well, it's not a solution, it's something that could be used for one — does the telnet interface provide all info that would be needed to replicate the front end?

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SlicerDicer-:

omg defaultro YES!!! http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=-805682182598659268 haha

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defaultro:

hey

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giovani:

i.e. the tv schedule system

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SlicerDicer-:

sorry I had to but thats just brilliant

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hobophobe:

If I'm able to get picture through the svideo input, what would be the reason I can't get through coax?

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GreyFoxx:

giovani: No, it doesn't give everything

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giovani:

alright

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GreyFoxx:

Lists of recordings yes, but not "raw" access to program listings

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ShockValue:

i have the E3202 from this page "http://www.ezgo.it/IndexEngl.htm" i was told that i wanted the "SIR" lirc driver, but i dont seem to be getting anythign from it

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giovani:

GreyFoxx: screenshots of the recordings ... that would be difficult, obviously

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defaultro:

that's very funny Slicer, hahhaaha

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Servo888:

nvm got it

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GreyFoxx:

well, it's a telnet control interface only, it doesn't transfer data other than plain text :)

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giovani:

right, hence "difficult"

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giovani:

potentially possible, but, not a good method

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GreyFoxx:

You can use the backend protocol just like mythweb does to get at the screenshots

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defaultro:

hey folks, how's the .20 SVN? I'm planning to try it

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GreyFoxx:

defaultro: wait a couple hour for 0/20 to be released

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defaultro:

oh

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giovani:

GreyFoxx: you mean, in addition to the telnet control to control the front end

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GreyFoxx:

gioc: Yeah

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defaultro:

didn't know that it was going to be out. That's pretty cool!!!!

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giovani:

because you can't control a front-end via that backend protocol?

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GreyFoxx:

giovani: Correct

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giovani:

ok

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GreyFoxx:

A backend is for recording and streaming the recordings, nothing else

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GreyFoxx:

It has no control over a frontend

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defaultro:

SlicerDicer, do you see the news about a student who brought a bomb?

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giovani:

right, so, this is a messy solution

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giovani:

but thanks for the info

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defaultro:

SlicerDicer, but they found out it was a long burrito, LOL

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GreyFoxx:

I think your definition and mine of "messy" differ :)

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SlicerDicer-:

LOL!!!

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giovani:

I suppose they do

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SlicerDicer-:

que paso vato! I got a burrito!

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Fnc:

nada esse

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SlicerDicer-:

lol

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SlicerDicer-:

defaultro: did you check the vid?

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** kleptophobiac2 needs painkillers to alleviate the agony of waiting for the release **

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hobophobe:

Damn that makes no sense

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hobophobe:

No damn sense at all

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** SlicerDicer- hands kleptophobiac2 some citrate magnesium **

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kleptophobiac2:

lol

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hobophobe:

When I set up this box, I set it up using us-bcast, no preset tuner channel despite using a stb

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** kleptophobiac2 goes to take a dump **

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SlicerDicer-:

lol

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hobophobe:

so today I go to use it and I'm getting static

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hobophobe:

I even _tried_ using the preset tuner channel and everything, and it didn't work

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SlicerDicer-:

kleptophobiac2: shocking that you knew what it was :)

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hobophobe:

It's like if you went into a store and tried to buy a soda but they said they were sold out, so you turned around and asked again and they sold you one.

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darkdrgn2k:

Ok im give up. Im trying to get my PVR150 workign in linux (newest kernel) and i keep running into this error: ivtv0: Failed to load module tda9887

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kleptophobiac2:

SlicerDicer- chemistry is fun

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SlicerDicer-:

lol

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darkdrgn2k:

I managed to lcate teh .c file in my kernals source directory, but i cant seem to find where to activate it in the KERNEL's menuconfig

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darkdrgn2k:

using / to search does not work iether

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darkdrgn2k:

any one have ANY idea whats goign on

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quink:

any word on oficial .20 release?

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darkdrgn2k:

dmesg messages can be found on http://pastebin.ca/166609

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SlicerDicer-:

quink: when tis done

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SlicerDicer-:

?

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darkdrgn2k:

any one :-S

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quink:

SlicerDicer-: well the cvs says its done...at lesat no more bugs

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Anduin:

quink: soon

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quink:

ok

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darkdrgn2k:

any one have any idea whats goign on with my ivtv

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davidsmind:

when I start trying to watch live tv it fails and gives me the following output/errors. http://pastebin.ca/166611

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Anduin:

darkdrgn2k: You are missing a module.

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davidsmind:

I can cat the video device and watch that just fine with myth-video

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darkdrgn2k:

Anduin:i knwo but WHERE do i turn the module on in the kernel?

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davidsmind:

but I can't watch live tv for some reason

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davidsmind:

any help would be appriciated

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Anduin:

davidsmind: The backend log it more useful

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darkdrgn2k:

davidsmind: make sure your buffer loop is accessable

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tank-man:

davidsmind, what version of mythtv you using?

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briand:

darkdrgn2k: did you miss this? : ivtv0: Failed to load module tda9887

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darkdrgn2k:

braniff: no i see that, but i dont know where tda9887 comes from

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darkdrgn2k:

braniff: the KERNAL source has the tda9887.c file

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darkdrgn2k:

braniff: menuconfig however does not seem to have that option anywhere. even with a / search

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darkdrgn2k:

braniff: at least i dont know WHERE to turn it on

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briand:

okay, my name isn't braniff.. try hitting your tab a few more times

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davidsmind:

The backend log shows nothing but mysql stuff and even with debug on, it doesn't seem to be useful. Where is the buffer loop stored? I am using 0.19_p9163-r1

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darkdrgn2k:

briand: sory typing to fast :-S

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darkdrgn2k:

briand: my appologies

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briand:

darkdrgn2k: np

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darkdrgn2k:

briand: so any idea whaer tda9887 is compiled?

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Anduin:

davidsmind: It is impossible for the backend to show nothing but SQL stuff in this situation.

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darkdrgn2k:

Anduin: any other idea?

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tank-man:

darkdrgn2k, they are with the ivtv sources

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Anduin:

darkdrgn2k: CONFIG_VIDEO_TUNER

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briand:

darkdrgn2k: you should find it in the ivtv source and/or the kernel source. I'm running ivtv 0.4.0 (tagged release) and it is included in that package. It may have transitioned to the kernel in ivtv 0.7.0

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Anduin:

It is in the kernel if you are runnin 0.7.0

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briand:

okay, then...

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darkdrgn2k:

Anduin: yes i foudn the .c file but its not compiling it apperntly

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darkdrgn2k:

Anduin: and i have CONFIG_VIDEO_TUNER=m

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briand:

and, specifically where in the kernel, darkdrgn2k — in the v4l2 section.

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briand:

(that's "video for linux 2.0")

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darkdrgn2k:

briand: yes but the odd thig is ther is nothign labeld tda9887, even a / search returns nothing

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davidsmind:

ok heres the backend log output. http://pastebin.ca/166617

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davidsmind:

that is JUST from when I hit watch tv

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darkdrgn2k:

Symbol: VIDEO_V4L2 [=y]

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Anduin:

darkdrgn2k: CONFIG_VIDEO_TUNER enables tuner and tda9887

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darkdrgn2k:

Anduin: well it doesnt compile it :-S

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darkdrgn2k:

only thing getting isntalled in my video folder is:

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darkdrgn2k:

msp3400.ko saa7134/saa6752hs.ko saa7134/saa7134-alsa.ko saa7134/saa7134-empress.ko saa7134/saa7134.ko tuner.ko tveeprom.ko v4l1-compat.ko v4l2-common.ko video-buf-dvb.ko video-buf.ko videodev.ko wm8775.ko

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briand:

darkdrgn2k: perhaps it does, but you don't have it turned on when you boot the kernel

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darkdrgn2k:

briand: the module does NOT compile.

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briand:

darkdrgn2k: did you compile it as a loadable module, or part of the kernel?

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darkdrgn2k:

briand: CONFIG_VIDEO_TUNER=m

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davidsmind:

Hrmm... "NVR: AudioInit(): /dev/v4l/video24 : error setting audio input device to 44100kHz/16bits/2channel" Should I set my device to /dev/v4l/video16?

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briand:

darkdrgn2k: dunno, then. check your compile logs and/or ask the guys on the ivtv-dev list...

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darkdrgn2k:

= ( so no one has any ideas whats going on

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briand:

darkdrgn2k: dunno, then. check your compile logs and/or ask the guys on the ivtv-dev list...

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Anduin:

davidsmind: Which capture card are you using?

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davidsmind:

Hauppage 350

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briand:

darkdrgn2k: this is not a mythtv problem, it's an ivtv driver problem. :)

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Anduin:

davidsmind: And your card type in mythtv-setup is/

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darkdrgn2k:

briand: well its not allowing me to use myth tv :-P and its a bloody PVR150, it should be SIMPLE!

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davidsmind:

Anduin: I'll check

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davidsmind:

I'm using ivtv.7.0 btw

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briand:

darkdrgn2k: so, if you needed to solder a trace on your motherboard, in the system you use for your mythtv box, that too would be a mythtv problem??

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darkdrgn2k:

briand: YAY lets start a religuouse argument now.... WHY Not...

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davidsmind:

Anduin: Analog V$L capture Card

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davidsmind:

*V4l

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darkdrgn2k:

briand: throw alkadia in there too.. what if bin laddin bombed my house... that would porevent me from using myth to :-S

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Anduin:

davidsmind: Not right

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davidsmind:

I can't seem to change it

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Anduin:

davidsmind: right arrow

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darkdrgn2k:

briand: fact is that mythtv ppl are 100 times more knowledagble with ivtv then any other place on the net asside from ivtv (who are all asleap by now)

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briand:

darkdrgn2k: okay, whatever.

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kleptophobiac2:

actually

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kleptophobiac2:

i dare say that mythtv people are more knowledgeable

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kleptophobiac2:

:P

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briand:

darkdrgn2k: their mailing list, like the mythtv-* lists, are open 24/7.

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darkdrgn2k:

kleptophobiac2: well the ppl who KNOW what they are tlaking about

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darkdrgn2k:

frankly im suprised no one knows whats going on... must be a bug in the kernel i guess...

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briand:

darkdrgn2k: last message i saw from Hans indicated that one should -not- be using the current ivtv SVN and/or kernel for a bit... as they are ironing some stuff out.

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darkdrgn2k:

briand: oddly enough im not using the LATEST version of the kernel, latest i think is rc6 git2

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darkdrgn2k:

nop make tha t3

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Anduin:

darkdrgn2k: Which kernel are you using?

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briand:

darkdrgn2k: your pastebin indicates 2.6.18 ..current released kernel is still .17

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Anduin:

Ah

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briand:

until next month, anyway. :)

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darkdrgn2k:

briand: yeh well lucky for me my dvb card is only supported in 18 =(

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kleptophobiac2:

you might want to apply just the necessary patchset for your card to the .17.3 branch

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davidsmind:

Anduin: cool that we fixed that problem, but that didn't fix it. Same error. Will upload new log output to pastebin

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Anduin:

davidsmind: you don't need to -v all, you can -v channel

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darkdrgn2k:

briand: thank you for the update (finaly some news i could use... lol)

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Anduin:

(will remove the SQL stuff which is hard to see through)

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briand:

darkdrgn2k: well.. so you're running bleeding-edge for one feature, and suffering the effects to the detriment of another

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briand:

i would, if i were you, follow Anduin's advice... apply the patches you need for dvb to the stable kernel

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Anduin:

No, my advice is to just not watch TV (just to clear things up)

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darkdrgn2k:

briand: so it would seem... thats what i will attempt to do thanx

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briand:

darkdrgn2k: np, glad to help

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darkdrgn2k:

Anduin: LOL

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briand:

Anduin: heheh. :)

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darkdrgn2k:

briand: sory about my outburst.. i jsut get tiered of these "youSHoulntBeAskingUsHere" replies.. i know WHY you do them but.. well you know.. anyway.. sory

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briand:

darkdrgn2k: not a problem.. and i wasn't offering it in that context, anyway...

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davidsmind:

here's the new non-msql pastebin http://pastebin.ca/166624

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briand:

darkdrgn2k: i was offering it in the you're-running-bleeding-edge, talk to the bleeding-edge devs. :)

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darkdrgn2k:

briand: thanx... yeh.. sory.. night.. sleep deeprived... stupid ... urgh.. sory

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briand:

darkdrgn2k: ie: they know more of what may be happening... or, perhaps they SHOULD know about it.. ;)

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briand:

no probs... good luck. :)

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Anduin:

davidsmind: Did you restart the backend?

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darkdrgn2k:

ok stupid question, do you know if i can just copy the .config file over :-P

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davidsmind:

Anduin: you are some kind of god

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davidsmind:

Thank you oh so very much

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Anduin:

misconfigured cards are somewhat common

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darkdrgn2k:

briand: incase you where wondering foudn the problem: tda9887 modules is now included in the tuner module. so 7.0 wont work with 18

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brianko:

at the risk of bringing up a sensitive issue: what's new with the MySQL timeout issue? lots of suggested fixes on the lists, none seem to be working...

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Anduin:

brianko: Which version are you running?

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brianko:

0.18...

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Dagmar:

Excess staleness causes it

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brianko:

haven't seen enough compelling evidence that an upgrade to 0.19 will fix the problem

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k-man:

what are you waiting for?

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Anduin:

Yeah, nothing like MySQL timeouts fixed there....

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Dagmar:

Then have fun troubleshooting it

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k-man:

.19 is much better

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k-man:

solves lots of problems

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kleptophobiac2:

.19-fixes is much better

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Anduin:

Wait another day and go to 0.20

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k-man:

and .20 is around the corner

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kleptophobiac2:

.19 itself had lots of issues

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Dagmar:

Which version of MySQL do you have installed?

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ShockValue:

i havent seen any compelling evidence that .18 doesnt cause it.

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k-man:

if .19 has issues, i have yet to encounter them

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kleptophobiac2:

.19-fixes is mandator for myself >5

[03:11:30]

kleptophobiac2:

mysql > 5.x.14

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kleptophobiac2:

or something like that

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kleptophobiac2:

i'm too tired to think

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brianko:

5.x on the MySQL version

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Dagmar:

brianko: What's wrong with your brain?

[03:12:29]

Dagmar:

brianko: You'll refuse to upgrade to the current _in development_ version of MythTV, but you'll use a version of MySQL that's too new to be supported by MythTV, and is documented as such.

[03:12:41]

Dagmar:

But you're right, MythTV 0.18 isn't the problem, MYSQL IS.

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brianko:

dagmar, no big deal, just asking

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Dagmar:

Might as well wait until tomorrow and upgrade straight to 0.20 tho

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brianko:

so wait until 0.20 or downgrade to MySQL 4.x?

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Dagmar:

Pretty much

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brianko:

(opinion)

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Dagmar:

No, it's fact.

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kleptophobiac2:

brianko – or you could use .19-fixes

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kleptophobiac2:

and it works nicely with mysql5x

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brianko:

dagmar: not what i meant! I meant your opinion, pls

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Dagmar:

Unless you want to upgrade like, right now, and then upgrade again tomorrow

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brianko:

OK, I'm sold...0.20

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Dagmar:

I'd say way until tomorrow and just upgrade straight to 0.20

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Dagmar:

If you upgrade to 0.19 or some older version, village children will laugh at you for having known problems.

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kleptophobiac2:

what's the latest word on .20 release?

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kleptophobiac2:

doesn't seem like tonight EST anymore

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kleptophobiac2:

unless theres a miracle

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DrMitch:

damnit all! when my computer boots, it freezes on loading the "blackbird" driver for cx88xx :-( my capture card is fried :-*(

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kleptophobiac2:

are you sure?

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kleptophobiac2:

not an IRQ conflict?

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kleptophobiac2:

not a poorly compiled module?

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kleptophobiac2:

does it work in a windows box?

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Dagmar:

Although if it doesn't come out tomorrow, either give it until Monday, or go ahead and up to 0.19-fixes to get caught up at least

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DrMitch:

it's compiled into the kernel

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DrMitch:

i'm trying the card in a different computer right now

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DrMitch:

(installing linux right now)

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Dagmar:

brianko: Your problem was definitely coming from the MySQL version tho, 0.19-fixes or 0.20 (when it's released) will fix it

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brianko:

setting up the X out stuff on the PVR-350 was a bitch...hope it all works with .19/.20!

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brianko:

i think i'll upgrade mythtv rather than downgrade MySQL...

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brianko:

thanks for the help

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kleptophobiac2:

brianko, i failed to catch it... what distro are you using?

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brianko:

ubuntu

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kleptophobiac2:

ok

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brianko:

dapper

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brianko:

so that silly binary patch isn't needed with 0.19 and MySQL 5.x?

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tank-man:

binary patch?

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tank-man:

why would there be a binary patch when source is avaliable

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kleptophobiac2:

i'm unaware of any binary patch

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kleptophobiac2:

is there any reason not to measure sodium hydroxide on a top loading balance?

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brianko:

this one: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p= . . . #post1292653

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DrMitch:

gh

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tank-man:

brianko, read the link you posted

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brianko:

tank-man: easier to do it this way than rebuild the lib

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tank-man:

tells you

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tank-man:

its in big bold "... conflict ... resolved in MythTV 0.19"

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brianko:

just wanted confirmation..."recall" doesn't mean "sure thing"!

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brianko:

thanks again...will give 0.20 a shot...

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e4:

will give .2 a shot? That's not out yet, is it?

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tank-man:

no

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e4:

heh I was rather confused, looks like 19.1 isin't even due for a while

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GreyFoxx:

0.19.1 is never going to be released

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GreyFoxx:

cause it never existing

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GreyFoxx:

existed

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GreyFoxx:

it was just 0.19-fixes and people started calling it 0.19.1

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e4:

heh just reading from the website :)

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GreyFoxx:

0.20 is gonna be out tonight unless Chutt decides to sleep rather than release it

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kleptophobiac2:

tonight = ?

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GreyFoxx:

Yes

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k-man:

yes, i can hardly contain myself

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kleptophobiac2:

i meant, tonight as in time zone

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GreyFoxx:

as in whenever he feels like it

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GreyFoxx:

There is no designated hour/minute

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kleptophobiac2:

just curious

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kleptophobiac2:

:P

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k-man:

yes

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ShockValue:

any guesses on a lirc device selection for a built in reciever on an I810E motherboard?

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sphery:

ShockValue: You sure it's an IR receiver and not IrDA

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ShockValue:

erm, whas the diff? :)

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kleptophobiac2:

irda is used for reasonably zippy wireless communication to handheld devices

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kleptophobiac2:

it's quite complex

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kleptophobiac2:

stupid IR sensors just watch for pulses (slow in comparison) coming from remotes

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Dagmar:

It's on the motherboard. It's IrDA.

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Dagmar:

Not useable with LIRC

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ShockValue:

ah well shoot.. i think it might be an IRDA.. i just assumed that meant "ir reciever"

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** ShockValue pouts **

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Dagmar:

Well, it's possible in theory, but there's no LIRC driver for them

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ShockValue:

poo

[03:56:05]

ShockValue:

guess ill have to buy an add-on one or somethin

[03:56:23]

kleptophobiac2:

build one

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Dagmar:

ShockValue: Check the wiki. I linked the place I bought my transciever from

[03:56:24]

kleptophobiac2:

it's easy

[03:56:33]

kleptophobiac2:

i built the USB-irboy from the lirc page

[03:56:34]

Dagmar:

Well, if you're lazy you can just buy one

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kleptophobiac2:

very effective

[03:56:39]

kleptophobiac2:

buy = money

[03:56:40]

kleptophobiac2:

me = cheap

[03:56:40]

sphery:

LIRC FAQ says not technically possible http://lirc.org/faq.html

[03:57:13]

ShockValue:

ah well, i lose

[03:57:25]

Dagmar:

me = lazy, me = time-constrained due to money-making job

[03:57:42]

Dagmar:

me = spending the $30 just to have it over with. Heh

[03:58:31]

Dagmar:

Besides which they weren't kidding about it being high-powered. I don't exactly have to care about having line of sight

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kleptophobiac2:

haha

[03:58:55]

kleptophobiac2:

mine is very sensitive

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kleptophobiac2:

i can bounce it off walls

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kleptophobiac2:

or aim up to about 60 degrees off target

[03:59:22]

kleptophobiac2:

so basically if you're in the same room

[03:59:23]

kleptophobiac2:

it works

[03:59:26]

kleptophobiac2:

and it's USB!

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kleptophobiac2:

:P

[03:59:31]

kleptophobiac2:

cost me $4

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kleptophobiac2:

to build

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kleptophobiac2:

and i have a job too, but i'm not working all the time

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ShockValue:

does it have a high WAF?

[03:59:56]

kleptophobiac2:

want to see it?

[03:59:59]

ShockValue:

ya

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Dagmar:

I'm doign 12 hour shifts, and it's the transmitter I wanted to be high powered.

[04:00:08]

kleptophobiac2:

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e360/klepto . . . ed-black.jpg

[04:00:34]

kleptophobiac2:

as you can see, it's quite tiny

[04:00:57]

kleptophobiac2:

but i'm an electronics nerd and love building things

[04:00:58]

ShockValue:

yeah not bad

[04:01:11]

ShockValue:

hey dagmar, what wiki/link are you talkin about?

[04:01:18]

Dagmar:

I like building things, but I rather despise ordering stuff from Digikey or buying it at RadioShack

[04:01:27]

kleptophobiac2:

i don't mind digikey or mouser

[04:01:29]

Dagmar:

ShockValue: The MythTV wiki

[04:01:54]

djperegrin1:

whats the best way to get 0.19 in ubuntu

[04:02:40]

Dagmar:

ShockValue: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Cottage_IR_Transceivers

[04:02:57]

DrMitch:

djperegrin1, format and install a good distro

[04:03:03]

DrMitch:

imho

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djperegrin1:

:O

[04:03:15]

djperegrin1:

ubuntu is kick ass :O

[04:03:32]

DrMitch:

;-)

[04:03:47]

sphery:

kleptophobiac2: is the usbirboy a receiver only?

[04:04:25]

Dagmar:

Tehre's also http://mythblasters.gotdns.com/ that I found elsewhere in the wiki. I should redo some linkage there

[04:04:56]

kleptophobiac2:

it was

[04:05:08]

kleptophobiac2:

though being a microprocessor controlled device

[04:05:23]

kleptophobiac2:

it's not too hard to add an IR LED and turn it into a transciever

[04:05:28]

kleptophobiac2:

definitely not for the faint of heart though

[04:05:36]

kleptophobiac2:

requires skill in C and microcomputers

[04:05:37]

sphery:

wouldn't that require all new firmware?

[04:05:39]

kleptophobiac2:

yes

[04:05:43]

sphery:

OK.

[04:05:44]

kleptophobiac2:

hence my warning

[04:05:52]

kleptophobiac2:

it's fun though

[04:05:57]

kleptophobiac2:

i do all sorts of microcomputer tinkering

[04:06:12]

sphery:

I'd love a home-brew USB transceiver, but don't want to spend the time on a custom firmware (and don't have the skilz for custom hardware).

[04:06:23]

kleptophobiac2:

then it's probably worth the $30-$50

[04:06:41]

ShockValue:

hrm

[04:06:45]

ShockValue:

yeah, 30$ is a bit much

[04:06:48]

kleptophobiac2:

i agree

[04:06:52]

kleptophobiac2:

hence why i built my own

[04:06:58]

kleptophobiac2:

but it's a tradeoff

[04:06:58]

sphery:

They've done a lot on the irboy since I looked at it (and ended up building my serial transceiver), so I thought maybe they'd added in transmitter support.

[04:07:01]

kleptophobiac2:

patience/skill

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ShockValue:

looks like a nice unit, but ...

[04:07:17]

kleptophobiac2:

it requires an electronics lab to build/debug

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sphery:

ShockValue: If you have a serial (RS-232) port, the LIRC transmitter/reciever isn't bad at all (although I haven't really tested the range/directionality of the reciever)

[04:08:53]

sphery:

I highly recommend http://lirc.org/improved_transmitter.html over the LIRC simple transmitter

[04:09:25]

sphery:

and if you use http://www.tb-electronic.de/vdr/lirc/lirc_rx.html , you can hook both a receiver and a transmitter to the same serial port.

[04:10:24]

defaultro:

ShockValue, got LIRC working?

[04:10:40]

ShockValue:

yeah, lirc works, but it turns out my hardware isnt compat with it :0

[04:10:51]

defaultro:

incompatible? in what way?

[04:11:03]

defaultro:

what hardware?

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ShockValue:

i thought IR reciever and IRDA was the same thing.. but its not appearently

[04:11:26]

defaultro:

oh

[04:11:38]

ShockValue:

too bad i cant use the little one that came with the pcr250 that i just pulled out of my old box

[04:12:27]

defaultro:

am not familiar with IRDA, is it like a pda

[04:12:40]

kleptophobiac2:

that's its biggest use

[04:12:54]

Zider:

PDA is a handheld computer, isn't it?

[04:13:07]

sphery:

ShockValue: you mean a PVR-250?

[04:13:13]

defaultro:

maybe a handheld with ir suppor?

[04:13:15]

ShockValue:

yeah, pvr250.. typo

[04:13:15]

sphery:

Why not use that one?

[04:13:23]

Zider:

IRDA = Infrared Data Association

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defaultro:

?

[04:13:33]

ShockValue:

because my mini-frontend doesnt have a slot for a pvr250

[04:13:38]

sphery:

Oh.

[04:13:41]

sphery:

Good reason.

[04:13:59]

defaultro:

so irda is kinda like a protocol

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defaultro:

so Shock, what is not compatible, what hardware

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Zider:

"The Infrared Data Association (IrDA) defines physical specifications communications protocol standards for the short range exchange of data over infrared light, for uses such as personal area networks (PANs)."

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kleptophobiac2:

blah. i leave for school in 5 days and I need to figure out what to take with me. i have 100 pounds in which to move

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Zider:

kleptophobiac2: laptop :P

[04:15:00]

kleptophobiac2:

already accounted for

[04:15:01]

kleptophobiac2:

:)

[04:15:04]

ShockValue:

laptop, bong, mp3 player

[04:15:08]

defaultro:

pringles with wire

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kleptophobiac2:

haha

[04:15:18]

defaultro:

:D

[04:15:25]

ShockValue:

oh and contreceptives. not sure you need anything else

[04:15:26]

kleptophobiac2:

i have none of those last three items

[04:15:31]

kleptophobiac2:

four

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ShockValue:

wtf kind of school are you going to?

[04:15:55]

kleptophobiac2:

undergrad?

[04:16:06]

kleptophobiac2:

i'm debating how much tech to bring

[04:16:09]

kleptophobiac2:

xbox.... dunno

[04:16:13]

kleptophobiac2:

portable hard drive plus laptop yes

[04:16:19]

kleptophobiac2:

toiletries, no... buy there

[04:16:36]

kleptophobiac2:

single board microcomputer, yes

[04:16:40]

Zider:

contrawhat?

[04:17:09]

ShockValue:

contraban?

[04:18:01]

Zider:

contraceptives?

[04:18:22]

kleptophobiac2:

though they'll probably think i'm al-qaeda for trying to get on board with this

[04:18:29]

kleptophobiac2:

http://www.mstcforum.com/uploads/images/8051- . . . ttomside.jpg

[04:18:29]

Zider:

;)

[04:18:41]

Zider:

haha

[04:18:55]

kleptophobiac2:

that's my first micrcomputer

[04:18:57]

kleptophobiac2:

hand soldered

[04:18:57]

Zider:

wtf is al-qaeda?

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k-man:

wow, mythtv is getting some good website mentions at the moment

[04:20:07]

k-man:

http://linuxhelp.blogspot.com/2006/09/mythtv- . . . ll-your.html

[04:20:15]

k-man:

and http://tomshardware.co.uk/2006/09/08/the_mythtv_convergence_uk/

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SlicerDicer-:

k-man: dunno if thats a good thing :)

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k-man:

why would it be bad?

[04:23:10]

SlicerDicer-:

pebkac's abound?

[04:23:56]

k-man:

maybe

[04:24:23]

k-man:

it would be interesting to know the number of myth instalations

[04:24:48]

e4:

it's interesting the number of mythtv downloads each revision :)

[04:24:55]

e4:

almost has doubled every time

[04:25:10]

k-man:

really?

[04:25:15]

k-man:

thats very intersting

[04:25:19]

SlicerDicer-:

Added on: 12-Feb-2006 Downloads: 188817

[04:25:21]

k-man:

where is that info?

[04:25:31]

ShockValue:

so are you saying .20 is out now!~?!!?! :)

[04:25:46]

SlicerDicer-:

Added on: 16-May-2005 Downloads: 215300

[04:26:00]

SlicerDicer-:

thats for .19 and .18

[04:26:04]

kleptophobiac2:

lol

[04:26:12]

kleptophobiac2:

don't get me excited

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SlicerDicer-:

.18.1 got downloaded a ton

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k-man:

whre are you getting those figures?

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kleptophobiac2:

on the downloads pages

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SlicerDicer-:

k-man: this does not include distro specific information though

[04:27:10]

kleptophobiac2:

of course not

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k-man:

yeah

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SlicerDicer-:

debian mirrors, gentoo mirrors etc

[04:27:19]

SlicerDicer-:

so its missing a ton of info

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k-man:

so i for one use the debian distro

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k-man:

god damn its hard to measure

[04:27:39]

kleptophobiac2:

would be easier if myth phoned home

[04:27:42]

kleptophobiac2:

:evil:

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SlicerDicer-:

LOL

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k-man:

yes... can't see that happening though

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** SlicerDicer- stabs kleptophobiac2 for even mentioning it **

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kleptophobiac2:

haha

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k-man:

nor the users accepting it

[04:28:10]

kleptophobiac2:

there'd be a patch to remove that feature in minutes after it was discovered

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k-man:

thats the beauty of free (libre) software

[04:28:25]

kleptophobiac2:

yeah

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SlicerDicer-:

I would not doubt if there was a good 500–600k downloads total? now the question is do they all use it :)

[04:29:38]

SlicerDicer-:

to get the information on that you could ask datadirect for a pretty good figure

[04:29:40]

SlicerDicer-:

hehe

[04:29:45]

SlicerDicer-:

I dunno though

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SlicerDicer-:

each box in the USA would hit datadirect

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SlicerDicer-:

shit I think I need some midol cramps are starting to come on waiting for .20 ;-)

[04:36:02]

k-man:

but what about the rest of the world

[04:36:04]

k-man:

in

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k-man:

in australia, we don't have one central point that gets hit for data downloads

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k-man:

as theres no one provider of data here

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SlicerDicer-:

k-man: errrm

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SlicerDicer-:

k-man: ask telstra?

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k-man:

no, counting the number of installs is going to be near on impossible

[04:37:22]

SlicerDicer-:

or internode, ihug, iinet?

[04:37:29]

SlicerDicer-:

lol

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k-man:

ask all of them?

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SlicerDicer-:

sure! ;-)

[04:37:45]

k-man:

what about setting up a sort of user register to get an idea?

[04:37:50]

SlicerDicer-:

k-man: how do you get singal anyway

[04:37:53]

SlicerDicer-:

signal rather

[04:37:56]

SlicerDicer-:

dvb?

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k-man:

signal? yeah

[04:38:03]

k-man:

DVB-T

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e4:

I don't think it really matters, MythTV is super neat and it's filling a huge hole :)

[04:38:22]

SlicerDicer-:

k-man: do you know anybody using foxtel or anything similar?

[04:38:28]

e4:

are there version notes for .2 yet?

[04:38:29]

SlicerDicer-:

k-man: and if the firewire ports are blocked?

[04:38:30]

k-man:

no

[04:38:37]

SlicerDicer-:

k-man: I know the foxtel boxes have firewire

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kleptophobiac2:

e4 – it's .20

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SlicerDicer-:

just if its active is the question hehe

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k-man:

oh... no idea, sorry

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k-man:

SlicerDicer-, are you in Aus?

[04:39:05]

SlicerDicer-:

no not atm

[04:39:09]

k-man:

imho, cable tv in aus. is shit

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SlicerDicer-:

fox footy!

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k-man:

and its not worth even 1/4 of the price they charge

[04:39:23]

** SlicerDicer- stabs k-man **

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Anduin:

e4: The release notes have been on the wiki for a long time

[04:39:29]

SlicerDicer-:

how can you do without it

[04:39:32]

SlicerDicer-:

haha

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k-man:

slicerDicer, its all shit

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mchou:

SlicerDicer: wow, I just found out something interesting re skype and PSTN

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SlicerDicer-:

k-man: I am a subscriber to afl.com.au to watch it back in the states :)

[04:39:58]

k-man:

slicerDicer, oh...

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kleptophobiac2:

i'm only waiting until 1am est

[04:40:04]

kleptophobiac2:

so i can check woot

[04:40:05]

kleptophobiac2:

then i give up

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mchou:

SlicerDicer: I didnt know you can ask the phone co. to reject incoming calls w/ no caller id :)

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SlicerDicer-:

although if Tel$tra would stop their crap I would be able to watch it all the time but half the time I cant due to them using stupid ass codecs and way way to much flash haha

[04:40:35]

SlicerDicer-:

mchou: neither did I

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mchou:

SlicerDicer-: called a friend of mine (on skype) and his phone co rejected me

[04:41:14]

SlicerDicer-:

heh

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mchou:

"This number does not allow calls from numbers without caller ID"

[04:42:06]

mchou:

or some such language

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SlicerDicer-:

I dont know if skype can do caller id

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Anduin:

anonymous call reject is nice

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k-man:

yeah

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mchou:

SlicerDicer-: nah, I dont think it can just yet. I'm sure that's something they are working on though

[04:42:54]

k-man:

nice idea

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k-man:

have you heard the telecrapper2000 recordings?

[04:43:09]

k-man:

they are very amusing

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mchou:

k-man: it's a nice idea unless someone legit (like a friend) is trying to call you......

[04:44:03]

k-man:

mchou, yeah, i agree

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mchou:

or if you happen to be using a pay phone, heaven forbid

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mchou:

busted down the road somewhere :)

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mchou:

I have had ppl call me from pay phone and caller id said "Pay Phone"

[04:45:29]

mchou:

it's a crack up

[04:46:40]

mchou:

kleptophobiac2: what the hell is this woot thingy?

[04:46:40]

kleptophobiac2:

i've called my own cell from home and it shows up PRIVATE only sometimes

[04:46:43]

kleptophobiac2:

very irritating

[04:46:47]

kleptophobiac2:

hahaha

[04:46:51]

kleptophobiac2:

woot is a very strange retailer

[04:46:54]

kleptophobiac2:

www.woot.com

[04:46:56]

kleptophobiac2:

read their about

[04:47:13]

kleptophobiac2:

or rather their FAQ

[04:47:14]

kleptophobiac2:

http://www.woot.com/WhatIsWoot.aspx

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mchou:

kleptophobiac2: that doesnt tell me ANYTHING

[04:47:59]

kleptophobiac2:

the page isn't helpful?

[04:48:00]

kleptophobiac2:

ok then

[04:48:04]

kleptophobiac2:

they update their page once a day

[04:48:09]

kleptophobiac2:

at 12AM CST

[04:48:16]

kleptophobiac2:

and have one item

[04:48:22]

kleptophobiac2:

often times at a lower price than anywhere else

[04:48:30]

kleptophobiac2:

each item is accompanied by a really trippy song

[04:48:35]

kleptophobiac2:

and a hilarious description

[04:48:58]

kleptophobiac2:

shipping is $5 regardless of the item or if you buy 1 or 3 (the maximum)

[04:49:15]

kleptophobiac2:

they're based out of texas

[04:49:21]

mchou:

kleptophobiac2: man, I dont see the value-add. HSN would be more entertaining......

[04:49:27]

kleptophobiac2:

haha

[04:49:38]

kleptophobiac2:

these people tend to carry a greater proportion of tech stuff

[04:49:43]

kleptophobiac2:

and you don't have to watch woot

[04:49:46]

kleptophobiac2:

you check it once a day

[04:49:47]

kleptophobiac2:

chuckle

[04:49:49]

kleptophobiac2:

and go away

[04:49:52]

djperegrin1:

how long does mythtv take to compile?

[04:50:00]

kleptophobiac2:

djperegrin1 – depends completely on hardware

[04:50:07]

djperegrin1:

3 ghz :O

[04:50:10]

mchou:

kleptophobiac2: no, it's lame. I want tech stuff I go to frys

[04:50:20]

kleptophobiac2:

well i don't live anywhere near a fry's yet

[04:50:23]

mchou:

kleptophobiac2: or even new egg.

[04:50:32]

kleptophobiac2:

and i shop there quite frequently

[04:50:35]

mchou:

kleptophobiac2: aint gonna go to woot

[04:50:38]

kleptophobiac2:

but woot is entertaining

[04:50:45]

kleptophobiac2:

i've only bought stuff there a couple of times

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mchou:

kleptophobiac2: so is HSN

[04:50:55]

kleptophobiac2:

no... HSN is not quite so entertaining

[04:51:02]

mchou:

but I dont buy stuff from HSN

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kleptophobiac2:

HSN is way too energetic

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kleptophobiac2:

and i don't like people talking to me

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kleptophobiac2:

i read the woot page

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kleptophobiac2:

and that's it

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mchou:

kleptophobiac2: HSN is entertaining when they try to sell you samurai swords and they injure themselves demo'ing it

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kleptophobiac2:

uhhh

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kleptophobiac2:

that sounds rare

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kleptophobiac2:

and like something i'd see on youtube if it were worth it

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mchou:

kleptophobiac2: there is a VERY funny youtube clip on that

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kleptophobiac2:

lol

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evestuff:

Can I get some hlep on the overscan setting ofmy video card

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mchou:

kleptophobiac2: SlicerDicer- has the linky

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SlicerDicer-:

lol

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SlicerDicer-:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XIxVxt-oWxc

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SlicerDicer-:

there ya go

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mchou:

SlicerDicer-: thx man

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mchou:

kleptophobiac2: check it out

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kleptophobiac2:

LOL

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kleptophobiac2:

owned

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mchou:

kleptophobiac2: tell me woot beats that

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kleptophobiac2:

no, i'm afraid it doesn't

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mchou:

kleptophobiac2: and I'm a customer :)

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kleptophobiac2:

but i'm sure HSN isn't that funny all the time

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SlicerDicer-:

I think we are going to need emergency surgery in the studio

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SlicerDicer-:

LOL thats all that can be said

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mchou:

haha!!

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evestuff:

Anybody konw if there is a myth-radio yet ?

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mchou:

SlicerDicer-: they already HAD the surgery. They need someone to sew them back up :)

[04:59:08]

mchou:

you too can get surgery at home for the amazing price of $199!!

[04:59:36]

mchou:

and we will throw in a free appendectomy with your purchase!

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mchou:

and if that's not enough to convince you it's a good deal, we will also include free amputations!

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kleptophobiac2:

includes free land mine to finish the sword's work

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SlicerDicer-:

lol

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mchou:

it's not clear from the youtube clip if the guy actually cut himself, or he hit his own balls with the hilt of the sword.

[05:03:24]

kleptophobiac2:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=UXyajC9bwVc

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kleptophobiac2:

well

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kleptophobiac2:

.20 isn't out

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kleptophobiac2:

good night

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k-man:

night

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kleptophobiac2:

thanks

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evestuff:

Anybody use the nvidia-settings ?

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guru18:

I have before

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AngryElf_:

anyway i can delete every channel with sourceid=2 from the database quickly?

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degreseven:

I'm having a problem with mythfilldatabase. from the output it appears to be working, but there is no guide data in mythtv.

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degreseven:

I'm having a problem with mythfilldatabase. from the output it appears to be working, but there is no guide data in mythtv.

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hjohnson:

I wonder if I can silently cool a socket A CPU

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beavis:

0.20 is out :)

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k-man:

it is?

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** k-man cracks open the champagne **

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beavis:

www.mythtv.org <-- check it

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** k-man cracks a bottle of champagne over beavis's head **

[07:10:09]

beavis:

:-P

[07:10:31]

k-man:

ooh... mytharchive is part of it now

[07:10:48]

k-man:

whats the big deal with mythui using opengl to draw menus?

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k-man:

and its got support for DVB radio channels too now!

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k-man:

thats good

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sanmarcos:

anybody alive at this hour?

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k-man:

yes

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k-man:

its 5:15 pm here

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k-man:

fairly normal hour

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hjohnson:

no one here but us chickens

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hjohnson:

hmm.. so I need to be at the airport at 7am

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sanmarcos:

what kind of system specs do you recommend for a mythtv box? I have an Athlon xp 2000, 1.6ghz, 256mb 266ddr ram, onboard sound., is that allright?

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hjohnson:

stupid new airline security rules.. grumble

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hjohnson:

sanmarcos: depends on what you want to do with it. :)

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sanmarcos:

I have an nvidia riva tnt 16mb. ,and a 40gb hard drive (but I plan on changing those)

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sanmarcos:

no HD

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k-man:

sanmarcos, id get a bit more ram if i was you

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k-man:

just 512

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hjohnson:

If you're using a Hauppage WinTV PVR x50 card, that's way overkill

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sanmarcos:

does myth really eat that much

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sanmarcos:

hjohnson: 350

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k-man:

ram is cheap these days, its worth getting a little bit more imho

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hjohnson:

sanmarcos: it's Unix man.. the more ram you throw at it, the happier it is.

[07:16:33]

sanmarcos:

I mean, this is my main work machine, but I plan on making it a dedicated myth box

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hjohnson:

yeah, you can pick up a gig pretty easy

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hjohnson:

er cheap

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sanmarcos:

any time warner cable users

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hjohnson:

I freely admit to building a massively over-spec'd myth backend

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sanmarcos:

if you use digital cable, you cant use myth right?

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hjohnson:

sanmarcos: not nessisarily,

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hjohnson:

you can pull some digital cable off via the firewire port on your digital cable box

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hjohnson:

(the FCC requires the cable cos to put that there)

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sanmarcos:

you have time warner?

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hjohnson:

however, pretty much anything worth recordin gwill have the DRM flag set, so you'll be screwed and not be able to record it on you rcomputer

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sanmarcos:

i love how in the us you cant choose your cable company, fucking monopolies

[07:18:25]

sanmarcos:

hjohnson: so im better off getting standard cable

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hjohnson:

sanmarcos: it's a natural monopoly, and would be fine if it was well regulated

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hjohnson:

but it's not well regulated

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sanmarcos:

myth supports hd right?

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hjohnson:

sanmarcos: not nessisarily.. you get everything that's FTA and they're quired to cary, en encumbered.

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sanmarcos:

so I can get just basic hd service from my cable company. get the pclinux or whatever its called hd card, and I would do hd fine?

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hjohnson:

sanmarcos: I don't know about that

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hjohnson:

sanmarcos: but you can pull the basic HD stuff off of the digital cable box, if it does HD

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sanmarcos:

hjohnson: whats your set up?

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hjohnson:

sanmarcos: i'm just in the process of building..

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hjohnson:

sanmarcos: i'm too cheap to pay for digital cable, so I just have basic.

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hjohnson:

sanmarcos: I download anything I want in high quality

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sanmarcos:

heh yes, having a networked myth box rules

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hjohnson:

I've just built my server with a terabyte raid array

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sanmarcos:

im curious, does an hd quality xvid look as in the pc, on a standard tv?

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hjohnson:

sanmarcos: on a standard tv, it will look like standard TV

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hjohnson:

my big thing right now is whether I want to do high-def or not.

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hjohnson:

if I don't, then a Via C3 based front-end would be fine.

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hjohnson:

if I do want to do HD, then I need a lot more CPU power on the frontend

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sanmarcos:

yes, I really want to build my on HTPC

[07:26:22]

sanmarcos:

I was wondering, do you guys recommend KnoppMyth?

[07:26:30]

sanmarcos:

because I am thinking of setting it up in my debian box

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sanmarcos:

KnoppMyth seduces me because its specific, its designed to do one thing and hopefully does it right

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slaine_:

sabmacros, It's good to get a feel for myth, but I found in lacking in too many areas and so scrapped it and rolled my own

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slaine_:

s/sabmacros/sanmarcos

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sanmarcos:

can you be more specific?

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slaine_:

About what it was laking ?

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slaine_:

Damn, where's that coffee machine

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sanmarcos:

yeah

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Kelerion:

rolled your own what? distro?

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slaine_:

sanmarcos, It didn't display properly on my TV, the Xfree864.3 driver for my UniChrome chipset (Via CLE266) was too old and had serious underscan, the graphics where for the boot splash and X background where, shall we say, childish. It took far too long to boot plus a few other things that basically meant that I got a good impression of what a MythTV box could be, but that KnoppMyth wasn't it for me.

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slaine_:

Kelerion, kind of, custom installed based on ubuntu dpkg's.

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Kelerion:

ahh ok.. gotcha

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k-man:

so does mytharchive master a proper DVD or does it just dump the files to the DVD?

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Kelerion:

proper dvd

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k-man:

well, thats rather nice

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Kelerion:

or can save it as an iso.. so you can do it on another machine

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k-man:

oh, someone should update the topic

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k-man:

Kelerion, very nice

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k-man:

can't wait to try it out

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sanmarcos:

so you guys agree that 1 gig is enough for a myth box?

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k-man:

of ram

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k-man:

?

[07:47:59]

k-man:

yeah

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sanmarcos:

thanks

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sanmarcos:

k-man: whats your set up?

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k-man:

err... can't remember

[07:48:47]

k-man:

in the old days, i could remember that stuff

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k-man:

but nowadays it goes in one ear and out the other

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k-man:

its an AMD something or other

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k-man:

and i have either 512 or 1g of ram

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sanmarcos:

does it work fine?

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sanmarcos:

how much hd?

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k-man:

i think its 512 iirc

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sanmarcos:

do you just keep it under the tv right?

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k-man:

2x250G hdds running in lvm jbod mode

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k-man:

next to the TV (the cheapest case was a tower case)

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k-man:

yeah

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k-man:

works great

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k-man:

never misses a beat

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k-man:

i think its a little slow sometimes... at redrawing the menus and stuff

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sanmarcos:

video card?

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k-man:

or when scrolling through a long list of shows... but its really only slightly slow

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sanmarcos:

whats lvm jbod mod?

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k-man:

and you get used to it

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sanmarcos:

what capture card?

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k-man:

DVB-t capture card

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Kelerion:

sanmarcos, have a look at: http://www.mythtvtalk.com/forum/album_cat.php?cat_id=1

[07:51:12]

Kelerion:

theres a few there so you can get an idea of how people have them set up

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sanmarcos:

nice thanks brother

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LabMonkey:

omg

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k-man:

in fact, i have 3 capture cards

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LabMonkey:

sanmarcos is Hulk Hogan!

[07:52:08]

k-man:

and i can capture 3 shows and watch a 4th no worries

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sanmarcos:

yes Indeed I am

[07:52:34]

sanmarcos:

k-man: you have 3 capture cards?

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k-man:

dvb-t is very light on cpu usage for capture

[07:52:40]

k-man:

yeah, 3 capture cards

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sanmarcos:

how do you get 3 wall jacks?

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k-man:

i use a splitter

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slaine_:

I've a Via Epia MII 1.2GHz with 512MB RAM (64MB allocated to Video)

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LabMonkey:

heh

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LabMonkey:

2 PVR-500s would handle 4 streams

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LabMonkey:

and all of 'em hardware encoded :D

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sanmarcos:

k-man: ? I did not know you could do that

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slaine_:

and I use a Hauppauge PVR-500 for mpeg2 capture (the the EPIA does MPEG2 accelerated playback, so low cpu usage)

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k-man:

yes, you can, but it degrades the signal

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LabMonkey:

I've got one currently but planning to add another one

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k-man:

sanmarcos, and if you go too far, you wont get enough signal at all

[07:54:11]

k-man:

so it depends on how much signal you get at your place

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slaine_:

the PVR-500 is analogue but has 2 tuners built in.

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Kelerion:

athlonxp 2800.. running a combo fe/be.. two cards (dvb and pvr250).. 600gb in hd's.. fx5200 video.. 1gb ram... then a couple of frontends too... I think it's something like that

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k-man:

sanmarcos, are you going analogue or digital?

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sanmarcos:

dont know yet, just planning, I love to plan

[07:54:47]

sanmarcos:

I have a pvr350 currently

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sanmarcos:

but if I can go digital, I will

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slaine_:

I was planning mine fore about 5 years ;)

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Kelerion:

5 years??

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sanmarcos:

Kelerion: the fx5200 handles myth fine right?

[07:55:19]

Kelerion:

sanmarcos, yup

[07:55:23]

sanmarcos:

I have a riva tnt, thats why I ask

[07:55:35]

sanmarcos:

the fading effect on the menus (that was on an old svn build), it could not handle that

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LabMonkey:

heh

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Kelerion:

I have it all hooked up to a 42" plasma over dvi.. looks excellent

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k-man:

sanmarcos, where abouts are you?

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sanmarcos:

Kelerion: you use the fx as output?

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sanmarcos:

k-man: los angeles, usa

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Kelerion:

yup

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k-man:

sanmarcos, do they transmit in digital there?

[07:56:30]

sanmarcos:

yes, ATSC

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sanmarcos:

over the air too

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sanmarcos:

they give you HD-PVR, but most reports say most cable companies' boxes suck

[07:56:55]

k-man:

why do so many people go for analogue if they are transmitting digital in the US?

[07:56:56]

slaine_:

hehe, I'd been meaning to build a media center for ages, but just never got around to it. Modded an xbox and put xbox-media-center on there, that did me for about 2–3 years, but eventually the need to record TV without media like tapes was too greate so I went ahead and cobbled something together last month.

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sanmarcos:

k-man: in 2009 they will shut down analogue

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k-man:

ok

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LabMonkey:

P4 ht 3Ghz 4GB RAM PVR-500 geforce 6600 dual sata 300GB in a raid0 via dmraid... all in a coolermaster CM Media 250 and hooked up to a 32" widescreen lcd via dvi

[07:57:38]

sanmarcos:

just to make more money, they will sell this 40 dollar boxes to downgrade digital to analogue

[07:57:59]

sanmarcos:

LabMonkey: does processor power really matter?

[07:58:09]

sanmarcos:

I mean when you ahve the WinTv doing the hard work for you

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LabMonkey:

sanmarcos: it does for distcc

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LabMonkey:

and for transcoding/dvd-ripping

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slaine_:

I'm using analogue because I live in Ireland and our digital service is, well, non-existant for stuff like DVB-T. I could get DVB-C but it's encrypted etc.

[07:58:53]

sanmarcos:

actually I dont know if they give unencrypted hd service in the us

[07:59:19]

sanmarcos:

have you guys actually used a tivo in here?

[07:59:20]

Ruleke:

I don't mind that my dvb-c is encrypted, my cam works fine

[07:59:33]

Kelerion:

LabMonkey, should get a pic and put it up on mythtvtalk

[07:59:48]

slaine_:

Rueke, Not sure I could get a CAM that would work here though.

[07:59:53]

LabMonkey:

Kelerion: eventually I'm planning to do a writeup on the whole thing

[08:00:01]

LabMonkey:

installation was... well it was challenging

[08:00:10]

** Kelerion chuckles **

[08:00:22]

LabMonkey:

literally everything is stuffed into that case

[08:00:46]

slaine_:

I had to hack saw my cases chasis to fit the PVR-500 in, it's a big card :)

[08:00:56]

Kelerion:

I've lost track of the number of times I've reinstalled my myth setup over the last 3 years or so... I can do it blindfolded now.. lol

[08:00:58]

sanmarcos:

heh the 350 too

[08:01:23]

LabMonkey:

the 500 is basically just a dual 350

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slaine_:

Nope, a dual 150

[08:01:33]

Ruleke:

dual 150

[08:01:36]

LabMonkey:

err

[08:01:37]

LabMonkey:

yeah

[08:01:39]

LabMonkey:

that

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sanmarcos:

do you guys use gigabit ethernet?

[08:01:53]

LabMonkey:

I was just... you know... testing you

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LabMonkey:

to see if you knew

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slaine_:

hehe

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sanmarcos:

i heard you have to use cat-6 cables or something like that

[08:02:04]

** Kelerion laughs **

[08:02:07]

slaine_:

And I still haven't had that morning coffee yet.

[08:02:12]

LabMonkey:

half my machines have gigE nics in them but I don't have a gigE switch yet

[08:02:21]

Kelerion:

sanmarcos, works fine over cat5 for a basic setup

[08:02:29]

sanmarcos:

Kelerion: basic setup?

[08:02:45]

Kelerion:

a backend and maybe a couple of a frontends

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LabMonkey:

the specification for cat6 includes gold-plated connections everywhere

[08:02:54]

LabMonkey:

which is like overkill

[08:03:06]

LabMonkey:

I think the idea was to help deal with attentuation

[08:03:24]

LabMonkey:

but cat5e is sufficient for gigE

[08:03:31]

LabMonkey:

unless you're running long lines

[08:03:43]

LabMonkey:

and even then I don't think it would be that big of a difference

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sanmarcos:

not many routers support 8 port + wireless + gigabit ethernet

[08:06:14]

LabMonkey:

well

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LabMonkey:

consider it like this

[08:08:20]

LabMonkey:

what's your max recording rate (myth will tell you this), then consider that a frontend may be streaming that much. multiply times the number of frontends (including picture in picture if applicable) and see if that exceeds 80% of your theoretical line speed (100mbit or 1gbit, etc)

[08:09:04]

LabMonkey:

that's the way I would look at it

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slaine_:

Chances are that 100mbit lan is more than enough

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sanmarcos:

for HD?

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sanmarcos:

transfering 600mb files over 100mb, is about 1m if you get top speeds

[08:09:57]

sanmarcos:

at gigabit, it would be 6 seconds

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LabMonkey:

uhm

[08:10:15]

LabMonkey:

not exactly

[08:10:31]

LabMonkey:

first of all you have to consider network protocol overhead

[08:10:42]

LabMonkey:

then consider that you never see theoretical speeds

[08:10:52]

LabMonkey:

ie. your 100mbit line won't do 100mbit

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sanmarcos:

right

[08:11:21]

LabMonkey:

I still think 100mbit would handle it

[08:11:34]

sanmarcos:

a gig of memory is 100 bucks

[08:11:49]

LabMonkey:

I wouldn't spend extra on a gigE switch just for this purpose unless I had to

[08:11:54]

LabMonkey:

but then I want gigE anyway

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sanmarcos:

not that there are any gigE routers

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sanmarcos:

only one that I saw

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LabMonkey:

newegg.com

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sanmarcos:

thats where i am looking

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sanmarcos:

I was wondering if DDR400 memory runs in a 333 mobo, my guess its it downgrades

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LabMonkey:

ok so look at gbit switches instead of routers

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LabMonkey:

yes it does

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sanmarcos:

do you think 512 is enough for myth?

[08:14:39]

LabMonkey:

depends on a number of factors

[08:15:09]

LabMonkey:

somebody dcc send me a working floppy drive please

[08:15:33]

sanmarcos:

I hate floppies

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LabMonkey:

need to upgrade firmware on a raid controller and my damn floppy drive is busted

[08:15:45]

sanmarcos:

which factors? I mean, I can run sql on a network, dont need to run it locally

[08:15:49]

sanmarcos:

just fluxbox and myth

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sanmarcos:

and ssh

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LabMonkey:

hardware encoder card(s)?

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sanmarcos:

pvr350

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LabMonkey:

personally I'd go 1GB anyway but then I'm the guy with the ht 3Ghz and 4GB of memory in my tv box

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LabMonkey:

err... no it's only 2GB

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LabMonkey:

forgot I never ordered the second pair

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sanmarcos:

free -m ?

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sanmarcos:

what do you run, just myth and a wm?

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LabMonkey:

total used free shared buffers cached

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LabMonkey:

Mem: 2010 1643 367 0 198 641

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sanmarcos:

you are using about 1 gig

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LabMonkey:

myth, gnome, mysql running locally, distcc

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sanmarcos:

thats why :)

[08:18:49]

sanmarcos:

why run gnome?

[08:18:56]

LabMonkey:

laziness

[08:19:00]

sanmarcos:

well you can afford it

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slaine_:

198 mb is in buffers and 641 in file caches

[08:20:26]

slaine_:

Linux see's free RAM as a waste of resources and so will try to fill it up with buffers and file caches

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Juski:

nobody updated the topic yet?

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sanmarcos:

yep

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slaine_:

Is 0.20 release or something ?

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sanmarcos:

LabMonkey: curious, what about swap?

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sanmarcos:

slaine_: released yes,

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slaine_:

Woot

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LabMonkey:

-/+ buffers/cache: 803 1206

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LabMonkey:

Swap: 2047 0 2047

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LabMonkey:

Juski: bugging ChrisWhite about it now :D

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Ruleke:

change topic ? :)

[08:22:32]

Juski:

I need to go to work...

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Ruleke:

some changesets in the last days that I need I think

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Ruleke:

for the broken pes packets

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sanmarcos:

do you guys have any wireless keyboards you recommend?

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LabMonkey:

err... cardoe is the maintainer, not chriswhite

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nomin:

what should I use to compress recorded video? I have told it to compress one already but it only shrunk it by about 10 percent. My video files are way too big.

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Anduin:

nomin: Play with your transcode profiles until you get one you like

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nomin:

Anduin: is everything I need already included?

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Anduin:

nomin: Maybe, nuvexport is external, but basic trascoding is there.

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nomin:

I guess I'll try that

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Ruleke:

I always used nuvexport in the past...

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Ruleke:

not ideal I guess

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Ruleke:

would be nicer from the gui, but I never got the transcoding profile right

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Anduin:

Ruleke: If you want it outside myth it is good, the basic internal one is good for just transcoding and keeping it in myth.

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slaine_:

I transcode on my Macbook Pro, it's far more powerful for that than my MythTV box

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nomin:

I would like to create .avi or .mpg from the recorded shows. I just want smaller video files that I can play in another player.

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sanmarcos:

wow, hard drives are so cheap these days

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sanmarcos:

waht file system do you guys recommend?

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Ruleke:

for ?

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sanmarcos:

myth

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Ruleke:

recordings ?

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sanmarcos:

obviously

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Ruleke:

I prefer ext3 tbh... journalled because it's a huge volume and ext3 because it's simple on-disk structures

[08:51:38]

Ruleke:

these days you can have filesystem flamewars, so that is imho

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sanmarcos:

I heard good and horrible things about xfs/jfs

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sanmarcos:

they tend to perform better with large scale operations

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sanmarcos:

big files that is

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sanmarcos:

but ext3 is so reliable, I just dont know

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Ruleke:

It doesn't matter as much because a recording bitrate is rather low and you just seek the file sequentially

[08:53:39]

qu0zl:

ext3 has slow deletes of large files. which is something mythtv does quite a bit

[08:54:06]

Ruleke:

that's true, but there is an option now to stagger the deleting I believe ?

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Anduin:

There is

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qu0zl:

cool

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slaine_:

I went for an LVM install with xfs iirc

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Anduin:

Deletes have been happening in the background for even longer so it really isn't an issue for most people (that patch is to have less of an impact on marginal systems)

[08:55:19]

Ruleke:

I prefer ext3 ebcause I can pop whatever recovery cd or whatever in it and it will work :)

[08:55:52]

slaine_:

jfs and xfs should be equally well supported, they're in the vanilla kernel these days

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Ruleke:

also, at least personally, I have had fewer problems over NFS

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slaine_:

But anyway, it's a matter of choice.

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Ruleke:

yer

[08:56:25]

Ruleke:

I just like to KIS

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Ruleke:

:p

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sanmarcos:

so, how much are those construction bricks worth

[08:59:04]

sanmarcos:

ive been thinking about making a ghetto table

[08:59:09]

sanmarcos:

like 4 bricks and a board

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sanmarcos:

been wondering the cost ratio to a normal table

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Ruleke:

the whole idea weing that you get it all for free... :P

[08:59:34]

Ruleke:

being

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Ruleke:

gah

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sanmarcos:

right I can

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sanmarcos:

there is a construction site right across the street

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Ruleke:

hmm how do the "favourite" channels work ?

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Ruleke:

no idea where it's saved...

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Anduin:

Ruleke: In the favorites table (I don't use them so that is about as much as I know)

[10:43:05]

Ruleke:

hmm

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Ruleke:

I see that I can choose to display them or not in mythweb, but what else do they do

[10:44:04]

Ruleke:

also, does channum or chanid need be changed, just to change the channel order ?

[10:44:14]

Dibblah:

Select 'only show favorites' in guide, etc.

[10:44:36]

Dibblah:

I think it's 5 by default, or something equally non-obvious.

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Ruleke:

hmm

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Ruleke:

I will have to do a mix of all the options I think

[10:48:39]

Ruleke:

set some channels invisible, change the order and mark some as favourite

[10:48:54]

Ruleke:

just changing the channel numbers scares me a bit

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Anduin:

Ruleke: You can change channum without changing anything but the sort order

[10:49:28]

Ruleke:

ah channum

[10:49:42]

Ruleke:

ok because chanid and channum bothj resemble the PID

[10:49:53]

Ruleke:

one of them is the PID, the other is PID-1000 it seems

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Anduin:

Yeah, do not touch chanid, freqid, or the atsc stuff.

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Ruleke:

| 12101 | 11101 |

[10:50:28]

Ruleke:

no idea why channum would be 1000 less :p

[10:50:42]

Ruleke:

cheers anyway

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Anduin:

Ruleke: The lineup factors in to chanid

[10:50:51]

Ruleke:

too bad mythweb doesn't have a flag for the favourite

[10:51:21]

Ruleke:

Anduin: not sure what you mean there

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Anduin:

Ruleke: unimportant minutia, just explaining part of what chanid is based on

[10:53:46]

Ruleke:

yeah ok

[10:54:00]

Ruleke:

I didn't understand channum, but you are saying chanid isn't simply the pid ?

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janneg:

Ruleke: chanid is just an arbitrary numer identifying the channel in mythtv. if you use the channel scanner it is PID + sourceid * 1000

[10:57:01]

Ruleke:

ah ok

[10:57:04]

Ruleke:

that makes sense

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janneg:

the PID is saved in serviceid

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Ruleke:

yeah

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Ruleke:

just wondering what channum is set to then

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Ruleke:

just pid I guess

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janneg:

dy default it is set to PID, but you can change it. never change the chanid

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Ruleke:

yep this is what I thought

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Ruleke:

cheers anyway

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Juski:

are we there yet? are we there yet? are we there yet? are we there yet? are we there yet?

[11:15:24]

Juski:

;-)

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Ruleke:

yes yes 0.20 is released

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Ruleke:

:p

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Ruleke:

I don't subscribe to -users :)

[11:31:24]

Juski:

I do but only when it suits me

[11:33:09]

GreyFoxx:

I end up skipping I'm sure 95% of the posts in there

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Ruleke:

hmm how much of the multichannel audio stuff is merged ? (#1104)

[11:35:42]

Ruleke:

confusing :/

[11:37:32]

nomin:

can I tell mythtv to save the videos in another folder on another partition without changing anything else?

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Juski:

nope

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Juski:

there are no folders in linux

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nomin:

right now I have a 'video' folder that mythtv saves the videos in

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Juski:

it's not a folder

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nomin:

directory?

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Juski:

anyway yeah you can specify a new _directory_ to use and new stuff will be put in there

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emja:

can someone explain to me what is the best/appropriate/correct way to record an unscheduled event from analog input? or translated; how do I rip from a VHS tape?

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Juski:

but you'd also have to move the old recordings there if you still wanna be able to use them

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emja:

I've tried pressing R while watching the video, but this gives mixed results

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Juski:

emja: schedule a recording manually for the right length of time

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emja:

Juski: but then I'll need to press play at exactly the right time, right?

[11:40:46]

Juski:

you can edit it later

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emja:

how?

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emja:

should I use a sep video editor?

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Juski:

no mythtv has one

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emja:

ok, understood

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Juski:

press E during watching a recorded show or M & access it from the OSD menu

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emja:

sorry?

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emja:

access what?

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Juski:

the recordings editor

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emja:

oh crap. I thought you mean 'No mythtv has one', not 'No, mythtv has one'

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emja:

;-)

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Juski:

talk like Yoda I do not

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emja:

haha

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Juski:

I hope your tapes are macrovision protected btw :-P

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emja:

so what is the purpose of R during whatching tv?

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emja:

you hope the are? why?

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emja:

shit. fat fingers tonight. I keep skipping keys

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Juski:

emja mythtv is designed to work with EPG data to record SHOWS. if there's no show data it's limited to half-hour chunks

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emja:

that'd explain why my recording died half way through

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nomin:

pressing 'R' saves it as a recording, while not pressing it saves it as something that was viewed.

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emja:

ahh

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emja:

so as you said, Juski, I need to manually schedule the event, then edit the video

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Juski:

yup

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emja:

and then convince the developers to include a 'rip from vhs' feature. ;-)

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Juski:

or stop being so tight & buy the dvd of whatever you're pirating

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Juski:

;-)

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emja:

you're kidding, right? I bought a truck load of VHS tapes over the years. this is why I have the mythtv machine, to backup the VHS tapes for my daughter

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emja:

:-)

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Juski:

good luck with that

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emja:

heh. i get that

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emja:

Juski: thanks for the help, much appreciated

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nomin:

I might be interested in saving stuff from a camcorder in the future

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nomin:

looks like the same process

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Juski:

oh hell. people should make it HARDER for people to show their home movies not easier

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Juski:

"and this is us eating... and here's john falling down... this is us eating again... here's a blurry shot of something..."

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nomin:

when you watch it for the first time in a while it's pretty good

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Juski:

watching unedited home movie footage, even if you did shot it yourself, sucks

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Juski:

s/shot/shoot

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Juski:

anyway.. stuff to do...

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D-side:

briand: I apologize for doubting your word. :)

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dverzolla:

Why sometimes I do a schedule in mythweb, and the scheduled recording don't work? They work only if I do a restart in the myth-backend, any idea?

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k-man_:

is there a way to get my usb flash disk to show up on the videos section automaticaly when i plug it into my mythbox? (like how cds show up there)

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D-side:

er

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D-side:

now i don't know from first hand experience, but i think the newly released 0.20 supports such hotplug

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D-side:

according to my interpretation of the release notes anyway.

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k-man_:

D-side, oh, ok

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k-man_:

someone should change the topic to say the latest is .20

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k-man_:

D-side, so until then? just mount it manualy somehow?

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D-side:

I believe so.

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kleptophobiac2:

I seem unable to compile while specifying the xvmc library location

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D-side:

I can't imagine another way to do it.

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kleptophobiac2:

"/usr/bin/ld: cannot find -l/usr/lib/libXvMCNVIDIA_dynamic.so.1"

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kleptophobiac2:

yet that file does indeed exist

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stuarta!i=foobar@unaffiliated/stuarta changes topic to .:. Welcome to the official user-to-user support channel. .:. http://mythtv.org/ .:. Latest stable release: 0.20 .:. Please don't be a dumbass! Dammit! .:. Channel FAQ wiki at http://mythtv.beirdo.ca/wiki/ .:. Engage brain before asking question .:. Use http://pastebin.ca/ .:.

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Pryon:

kleptophobiac2,: try -lXvMCNVIDIA_dynamic

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GreyFoxx:

lol

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GreyFoxx:

I was JUST doing that

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stuarta:

hah!

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kleptophobiac2:

Pryon – nope, still the same result

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GreyFoxx!i=greg@out.of.phaze.org changes topic to .:. Welcome to the official user-to-user support channel. .:. http://mythtv.org/ .:. Latest stable release: 0.20 .:. Please don't be a dumbass! Dammit! .:. Channel FAQ wiki at http://mythtv.beirdo.ca/wiki/ .:. MythTV Wiki http://mythtv.org/wiki/ .:. Use http://pastebin.ca/ .:.

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GreyFoxx:

Figure we should mention the official wiki too

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Pryon:

kleptophobiac2: is /usr/lib/libXvMCNVIDIA_dynamic.so.1 a regular file or a symbolic link?

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kleptophobiac2:

it's a symlink, but even using the hard file it doesn't work

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kleptophobiac2:

i'm trying to cross compile myth on my backend box for my frontend box

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Pryon:

why not just compile it on your frontend?

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dverzolla:

Why sometimes I do a schedule in mythweb, and the scheduled recording don't work? They work only if I do a restart in the myth-backend, any idea?

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kleptophobiac2:

so i installed the nvidia drivers and am trying to have myth's compile script use the nvidia driver

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kleptophobiac2:

because the backend has a hard drive

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kleptophobiac2:

and the frontend doesn't

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kleptophobiac2:

so compiling things onthe frontend is dicey

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kleptophobiac2:

plus i'm trying to make a useful package rather than just get an install

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kleptophobiac2:

hmm, i think i may have gotten it

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kleptophobiac2:

ld -lXvMCNVIDIA

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kleptophobiac2:

with none of the prepended or appended information

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k-man_:

what filesystem do usb drives usually have?

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Zidret:

fat32

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Ruleke:

whatever you format them as :P

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KyleAnderson:

vfat in linux-speak

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kleptophobiac2:

thumb drives are usually FAT32, but you can reformat them

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k-man_:

Zidret, yeah

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k-man_:

thanks

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k-man_:

so -t vfat?

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kleptophobiac2:

yes

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kleptophobiac2:

though mount and the kernel will usually autodetect it ok

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k-man_:

ok

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k-man_:

thanks

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k-man_:

got it, i was trying to mount it as sda rather than sda1

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k-man_:

its working now thanks

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kleptophobiac2:

:)

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kleptophobiac2:

go go myth, compile!

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kleptophobiac2:

this 2.8 P4 is showing its age

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kleptophobiac2:

confound it!

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kleptophobiac2:

it failed!

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kleptophobiac2:

http://pastebin.ca/166937

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stuarta:

kleptophobiac2: what's it say above that

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kleptophobiac2:

above that everything was happy

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kleptophobiac2:

it was compiling libmythavcodec

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stuarta:

check for other XvMC's there's a wrapper in one distro that borks the compile

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kleptophobiac2:

i specifically pointed to the nvidia xvmc libraries

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stuarta:

the wrapper needs removing IIRC

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kleptophobiac2:

i'm not running any of the mainstream distros, so i don' tknow how applicable this is

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D-side:

er, what distro is it?

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kleptophobiac2:

www.archlinux.org

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Zidret:

source based?

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kleptophobiac2:

binary packages

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kleptophobiac2:

automatic dep resolution

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kleptophobiac2:

i'm trying to package mythtv

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e4:

I have a really old SB Platinum with Livedrive and remote, were those any good for a mythTV application?

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kleptophobiac2:

they're useful

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lotia:

any ebuilds out yet?

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lotia:

gentoo ebuilds that is

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** kleptophobiac2 wouldn't know about gentoo **

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D-side:

itsbeen mere hours since the release. calm down.

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D-side:

:)

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D-side:

the gentoo maintainer isn't here at the moment. perhaps he's busy doing that right now. heh

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kleptophobiac2:

perhaps

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kleptophobiac2:

or maybe he's sleeping

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D-side:

could be

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D-side:

the possibilities are endless.

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kleptophobiac2:

yep

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kleptophobiac2:

he could be having breakfast with the secretary of state

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Ruleke:

what do the EIT log entries : "match[0]: -3000 'program foo' vs. 'program bar' " actually mean ?

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stuarta:

not much useful (it's the result of a comparison.)

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feld:

oh SWEET

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feld:

.20 is out

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Ruleke:

comparing what, I'm intrigued by the 'offset' value :)

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feld:

lotia: cardoe usually does the mythtv ebuilds for gentoo

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stuarta:

the -3000 is the magic value used as a result

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Ruleke:

magic value... heh

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lotia:

feld: does he hang out here or on the dev channel?

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stuarta:

partial implementation of fuzzy change detection in eit data

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Ruleke:

seems a bit weird, the programs are totally unrelated afaict :P

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Ruleke:

and the values go from 0 to -25260 :)

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stuarta:

i might do something about that eventually

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Zidret:

0.19 is still the latest ebuild

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kleptophobiac2:

shucks

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stuarta:

0.20's only been out <24hrs. give them a chance...

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Zidret:

stuarta: never! ;)

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stuarta:

!trout Zidret impatient

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** MythLogBot slaps Zidret with a impatient trout on behalf of stuarta... **

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Zidret:

*giggles*

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lotia:

D-side stuarta spoiled since the ebuild maintainer is usually VERY quick

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Ruleke:

stuarta: the dvb transport parameters have indeed not 'moved' around any more as you said... I just ahve to be careful not to scan that transport in the future

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Zidret:

I was just pointing out that 0.19 was the latest ebuild, I don't care when it gtes updated :)

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D-side:

i won't be updating for a while.

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Ruleke:

I already have

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D-side:

I've got to wait for xbmcmythtv to catch up.

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Zidret:

I'm running the CVS, fine for me :)

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kleptophobiac2:

i have five days left, i should update and pray everything works

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Ruleke:

only 10 changesets difference though ;)

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D-side:

its my only frontend. :)

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Zidret:

or is it svn

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Zidret:

same shit

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feld:

lotia: i've usually found him in here

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bongalo:

.20 is finial out. I cant wait to download and give it a try.

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Juski:

when I upgrade I'm ripping gentoo off the backend. no more compiling on a production box

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stuarta:

hehehe

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Ruleke:

good choice :)

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feld:

Juski: ? I know someone who runs 6 gentoo production servers at work

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D-side:

Juski: had enough eh?

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Juski:

feld: mine's just about broken after I upgraded portage a few months ago

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stuarta:

that's fine. have only the services you need on em

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Ruleke:

heh must be some definition of production

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feld:

there's nothing wrong with Gentoo. In fact this week he upgraded the systems to gcc 4.11 and glibc 2.4 — whole system recompile on each.

[14:03:20]

Juski:

it's too much hard work to maintain

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Zidret:

Juski: ID-10-T error ;)

[14:03:34]

D-side:

it can be.

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feld:

I find gentoo to be a breeze to maintain. to each his own ;)

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Juski:

'all you need to do is emerge -u world'.. riiiight

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D-side:

my "production" machine is my home file/web/smb/mythtv server, so every week i just emerge up everything.

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Ruleke:

in my experience you don't want to be running any unix in production where you don't have vendor support... but that's just imho

[14:04:01]

D-side:

Juski: er, works for me.

[14:04:07]

feld:

Juski: emerge -u world? uhm... what? nobody does that. that's bad.

[14:04:20]

D-side:

feld: don't say "nobody" :D

[14:04:21]

Juski:

works for me too but isn't as immediate as installing a binary

[14:04:21]

Zidret:

feld: "nobody"? :)

[14:04:41]

kleptophobiac2:

I "pacman -Syu" every now and then and my distro stays up to date with no compiling

[14:04:51]

kleptophobiac2:

no need to sleep on it either, takes all of a minute

[14:04:55]

Juski:

if all the linux distros I've tried they're all as evil as each other

[14:04:57]

feld:

you should use -uD so you dont miss anything......

[14:05:00]

Ruleke:

always seemed strange to me why you would want to compile a package every time... must be terrible for debugging if you're upstream

[14:05:13]

Juski:

s/if/of

[14:05:21]

D-side:

feld: eh. deep can sometimes cause big problems

[14:05:28]

feld:

D-side: since when

[14:05:35]

** stuarta is quite partial to debian **

[14:05:35]

feld:

i've never had a problem in the 3 years i've used gentoo

[14:05:42]

D-side:

shrug.

[14:05:44]

Zidret:

-D can pull in some totally unrelated packages

[14:05:45]

Ruleke:

stuarta: same

[14:05:51]

D-side:

i'm just going by what my gentoo dev pals tell me.

[14:05:53]

kleptophobiac2:

i'm way too lazy for gentoo

[14:05:57]

feld:

Zidret: then you're not using your use flags properly

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Zidret:

feld: oh yes I do

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** Ruleke chuckles **

[14:06:23]

D-side:

i've got very very conservative use flags now. i really have no issues.

[14:06:34]

feld:

here's a start — if you're running a server, put -* in make.conf and put everything else in /etc/portage/package.use

[14:06:43]

D-side:

i started with gentoo solely for mythtv, since turnaround time to a working "package" was so fast.

[14:06:47]

Zidret:

feld: that's what I've done

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Zidret:

on all my systems

[14:07:08]

feld:

I dont understand how you can pull in unrelated packages if the ebuilds arent depending on them

[14:07:09]

D-side:

Juski: so what are you going to?

[14:07:20]

Zidret:

still -D likes to pull in stuff like perl modules that has no place there

[14:07:34]

Zidret:

feld: ask the portage coders :P

[14:07:53]

feld:

portage is only a python script

[14:07:58]

feld:

it doesnt have anything hidden in it

[14:08:05]

feld:

it follows a ruleset, reads ebuilds, etc

[14:08:19]

Zidret:

well, something's fishy with -D

[14:08:26]

feld:

i dont see how you can pull in unnecessary perl modules without needing them. i've never, ever seen that before =D

[14:08:27]

D-side:

man this went from 0 to holy war in mere seconds.

[14:08:45]

feld:

D-side: no holy war, just a discussion on experience w/ gentoo

[14:08:46]

kleptophobiac2:

yep

[14:08:58]

kleptophobiac2:

but no matter what yall say, my distro's epenis is bigger than yours

[14:08:59]

Zidret:

unholy war ;)

[14:09:07]

feld:

holy war = debian mailing list :P

[14:09:12]

Zidret:

kleptophobiac2: in your furry wet dreams, fancy boy ;)

[14:09:15]

feld:

i've read some real nasty arguements on there....

[14:09:26]

kleptophobiac2:

Zidret – i think there's a bash script to measure

[14:09:31]

feld:

there is kleptophobiac2

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feld:

want it? lol

[14:09:43]

Zidret:

kleptophobiac2: I know there is :)

[14:09:50]

kleptophobiac2:

hehe

[14:10:02]

kleptophobiac2:

big hard drive arrays work wonders on that script

[14:10:08]

feld:

#!/bin/sh

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feld:

echo `uptime|grep days|sed 's/.*up ([0–9]*) day.*/1/10+/'; cat /proc/cpuinfo|grep '^cpu MHz'|awk '{print $4"/30 +";}';free|grep '^Mem'|awk '{print $3"/1024/3+"}'; df -P -k -x nfs -x smbfs | grep -v '(1k|1024)-blocks' | awk '{if ($1 ~ "/dev/(scsi|sd)"){ s+= $2} s+= $2;} END {print s/1024/50"/15+70";}'`|bc|sed 's/(.$)/.1cm/'

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kleptophobiac2:

haha, it works

[14:11:33]

feld:

i get 66.8cm on my MythTV box

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feld:

my workstation gets like 100 something.

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Zidret:

bc not found ;)

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Zidret:

(freshly installed system)

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feld:

heh yeah you need bc.

[14:12:57]

feld:

i saw one once that would actually scan your drives for PNGs and FLACs and that would raise your score

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kleptophobiac2:

my backend gets 82.5 cm, the frontend is 31.4 cm, and my file server is 159.1 cm

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Zidret:

89cm :D

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feld:

whoohoo!

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Zidret:

workstation

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feld:

:)

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kleptophobiac2:

food!

[14:14:05]

kleptophobiac2:

bbiab

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stuarta:

does that mean the epenis gets smaller the longer the box has been running :)

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feld:

uptime really boosts your score i think

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Zidret:

I don't care for uptime

[14:15:41]

feld:

Uptime is only useful on production servers

[14:15:48]

feld:

otherwise its not worth caring about

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Zidret:

extreme uptime only means long time since last kernel upgrade ;)

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feld:

i had a server at work that was terribly misconfigured. it was up for 455 days and i rebooted it

[14:17:03]

feld:

see, someone thought it would be a great idea to not partition or LVM things out neatly. so / filled up with logs and crap and you couldn't do anything — couldnt delete, couldnt use the network (network dies when root is 100% on this box...)

[14:17:26]

Zidret:

ouch

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feld:

dont worry, i stabbed the guy who did it. twice.

[14:17:34]

D-side:

hm. 84.8 on the mythtv box.

[14:17:45]

Zidret:

with a sharp fork I hope :P

[14:17:51]

feld:

indeed it was :D

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feld:

http://xkcd.com/c149.html

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Zidret:

forkypokey :D

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feld:

anyone see that? that comic is pretty hilariosu.

[14:18:56]

feld:

*hilarious.

[14:18:59]

Zidret:

hahaha

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opello:

heh

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kleptophobiac2:

lol

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Dagmar:

Only problem is that it seems to be a sign that ubuntu may be making people retarded

[14:22:31]

kleptophobiac2:

it is

[14:22:34]

kleptophobiac2:

that's unquestionable

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Dagmar:

Fair enough.

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Dagmar:

:)

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e4:

Ubuntu users are the mac snops of the linux world

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e4:

replace 'snops' with snobs, lol

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kleptophobiac2:

s/snops/snobs

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kleptophobiac2:

kk, you're welcome

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opello:

unterminated s command :p

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kleptophobiac2:

*doh*

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D-side:

nah.

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D-side:

i'm sure theres a bunch of ubuntu users that are total newbies, and act like it. that must be where you're confused.

[14:28:44]

D-side:

ubuntu's just candy coated debian, and i likes it.

[14:30:00]

kleptophobiac2:

yeah, like an edible condom

[14:30:15]

stuarta:

ew

[14:30:22]

kleptophobiac2:

or flavored rather

[14:30:26]

kleptophobiac2:

candy coated makes it better!

[14:30:37]

stuarta:

ew^2

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opello:

melts in your mouth, not your hands? heh

[14:30:44]

kleptophobiac2:

exactly

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D-side:

i love debian, and i love the ease of ubuntu's install.

[14:30:47]

kleptophobiac2:

and that's why I use arch

[14:30:49]

kleptophobiac2:

:)

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D-side:

i like not being made to F with it until its dialed in right. 90% of it is done out of the box.

[14:35:23]

e4:

Yeah, most distros have come a looong way in the past couple of years

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** jams gives kleptophobiac2 a high five **

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D-side:

ubuntu made my new laptop Just Work. everything. even swsusp2. i never thought i'd see the day. :)

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halcyon:

any ideas on this? (converting to .20 from .19-fixes): http://pastebin.ca/166982

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DrMitch:

damnit, stupid msi tv@nywhere capture card. linux can't read the eeprom on it anymore :-(

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kleptophobiac2:

eeproms are still in use?

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kleptophobiac2:

i thought the world migrated to flash

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DrMitch:

well, i got the message yesterday "tveeprom: Huh, no eeprom present (err=-121)?"

[14:46:20]

DrMitch:

then booting freezes on the line "cx2388x blackbird driver version .50"

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stuarta:

halycon: have you previously run svn in between 0.19 & 0.20?

[14:47:19]

halcyon:

well, 19-fixes, yes

[14:47:44]

stuarta:

but not development dvn (aka head) ?

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halcyon:

oh wait, yes I may have :/

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stuarta:

s/dvn/svn

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gbee:

so who was having issues with the recordedmarkup table update?

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halcyon:

I accidentally built a frontend on svn at one point. I got most of the database errors that that caused fixed (I thought – it had been running fine for months after that), but I guess not fixed enough :/

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halcyon:

I was having an issue with it gbee, but I don't think you saw my message :D

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gbee:

halcyon: quickest way to fix it is to delete the recordedmarkup table

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halcyon:

gbee: what all will that affect, database wise?

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halcyon:

like, just losing commercial points and such?

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gbee:

you shouldn't lose anything that you have _now_ – we don't delete that info from the recorded table until it has been moved completely to recordedmarkup

[14:53:14]

halcyon:

well, I have backups so I'm not worried to try :D Thanks!

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gbee:

you've probably already lost stuff from when you accidently upgraded in the past

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halcyon:

heh, it was an ordeal, yes.

[14:53:29]

DrMitch:

anyone have a recommendation for a sub-$50 capture card?

[14:53:46]

DrMitch:

(that works in linux, DUH)

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kleptophobiac2:

take your pick of any BT87x card

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kleptophobiac2:

they're as low as $15

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gbee:

alternatively you can change that line in dbcheck.cpp from INSERT INTO to INSERT IGNORE INTO

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D-side:

DrMitch: do you live in jersey?

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Ruleke:

you get what you pay for :P

[14:54:15]

D-side:

i'll give you one. :)

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gbee:

that just suppresses the errors caused by duplicate keys

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DrMitch:

D-side, negative

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halcyon:

woops, when I dropped teh table, it really dropped it, can I just run the mysql script again?

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lotia:

does 0.20 work without mods with mysql 5?

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stuarta:

lotia: yes.

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gbee:

halcyon: it will be recreated when you start mfe/mbe

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gbee:

or *should* be

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stuarta:

:)

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halcyon:

well, when I run mythbackend, it complains that recordedmarkup doesn't exist.

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lotia:

stuarta: and is backing up a mythconverg from 4.1 and restoring it to 5 straightforward?

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stuarta:

erm, should be

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gbee:

halcyon: make sure your DBSchemaVer in the settings table is 1128

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halcyon:

it seems to be, Current Schema Version: 1128

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kleptophobiac2:

gha

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kleptophobiac2:

i hate mythbrowser

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gbee:

actually that won't work – forgot that the table existed prior to 1128

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gbee:

heh

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halcyon:

:D Can I just use the MYSQL from the script manually for that table?

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gbee:

yep

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GreyFoxx:

I wonder how many actually use mythbrowser

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GreyFoxx:

I've never actually installed it

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stuarta:

the concept is plain wrong

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opello:

i can't type in it, but i setup some bookmarks

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gbee:

GreyFoxx: neither have I – never really got the concept of browsing the internet from a TV

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gbee:

or for that matter mobile phones – the interaction with an average webpage is normally too slow/complicated

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stuarta:

although mythweb via a phone is a good concept :)

[15:08:02]

GreyFoxx:

gbee: yeah. I always found the webTV thing to be silly.

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halcyon:

hmm, mc.sql doesn't have anything about recordedmarkup. Is the table create code somewhere in source for recordedmarkup?

[15:08:26]

gbee:

stuarta: aye, especially with special css/templates

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kleptophobiac2:

i only want mythbrowser so that when i see something on mythnews

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GreyFoxx:

halcyon: Yeah, it's in the source

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kleptophobiac2:

i can read the whole article

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kleptophobiac2:

i don't care to do any real browsing

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gbee:

halcyon: libs/libmythtv/dbcheck.cpp

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halcyon:

thanks

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GreyFoxx:

halcyon: hold on, I'll give you an sql squirt

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kleptophobiac2:

plus, using a projector it's not so bad

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gbee:

CREATE TABLE IF NOT EXISTS recordedmarkup (chanid int(10) unsigned NOT NULL default '0', starttime datetime NOT NULL default '0000-00–00 00:00:00', mark bigint(20) NOT NULL default '0', offset varchar(32) default NULL, type int(11) NOT NULL default '0', PRIMARY KEY (chanid,starttime,mark,type));

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GreyFoxx:

halcyon: www.phaze.org/mythtv/recordedmarkup.sql

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halcyon:

nice, thanks (just found it in the code too :D)

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gbee:

halcyon: use what GreyFoxx printed out – I've copied from the code which probably isn't the latest version of the table

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halcyon:

nice that did it, thanks much to both of you

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gbee:

np

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stuarta:

hmm, my router sends out weird arse ip packets of type 255

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stuarta:

going to have to write a logger for them.

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RaYmAn-Bx:

hmm..it's not entirely mythtv, but anyone have any idea what exactly it means when a tv manufacturer says that a tv has RS-232C..as in, what can you use it for? Or is that just plain VGA and me that's confused?

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opello:

RaYmAn-Bx: should mean (i think) that you can plug in a serial port on the tv and control it?

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Ruleke:

RaYmAn-Bx: serial...

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stuarta:

nothing useful. tends to be a maintainence port..

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RaYmAn-Bx:

silly to bother advertising it like it's something fancy then :/

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opello:

in our conference rooms we have that and turn them on / change video inputs with it and another device

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stuarta:

ah, possibly useful then.

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opello:

it has to be firmware enabled though, we got a few that weren't and had to send them back to be reflashed, it was fun

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opello:

at least on the ones we were using, i guess that wouldn't always be the case

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RaYmAn-Bx:

I suppose it might be possible to convince them to give me more information since they actually stuff it on the feature sticker for the tv

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Ruleke:

is there a way to make the mythweb settings persistent across sessions ?

[15:27:29]

janneg:

cookies

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opello:

RaYmAn-Bx: try to find a manual online maybe?

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Ruleke:

janneg: I only see a sessionid cookie :(

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RaYmAn-Bx:

opello: yeah, good idea..the manual does seem to mention an RS-232C cable and where to attach it and stuff, so I suppose it's not entirely useless

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RaYmAn-Bx:

it does actually mention that it's for eksternal control of the tv

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Ruleke:

doh, this is new since the move to 0.20... mythweb "SQL Error: Column 'parentid' cannot be null [#1048]" when sheduling a recording ?

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kleptophobiac2:

argh

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kleptophobiac2:

i just installed 0.20

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gbee:

*think* it has something to do with #11124

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kleptophobiac2:

and my fonts shrunk precipitously

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RaYmAn-Bx:

did you upgrade mythweb as well? It definitely sounds like a database change that mythweb isn't aware of?

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Ruleke:

RaYmAn-Bx: yep yep :)

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kleptophobiac2:

and my fonts also look a little vertically stretched

[15:37:51]

kleptophobiac2:

despite using mythcenter-wide and having dpi of 100x100 as confirmed by xdpyinfo

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Ruleke:

hmmz

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RaYmAn-Bx:

hmm, is it generally possibly to get gfx cards to use 1388x720 resolution over DVI? assuming the tv connected supports exactly that of course.

[15:39:48]

RaYmAn-Bx:

in linux with mythtv that is

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Ruleke:

reverted to old mythweb and fixed it

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RaYmAn-Bx:

I realize it's hard to say anything general since gfx cards are different, but still..experiences from other people is good :P

[15:40:56]

Ruleke:

hmm I just upgraded for 11104 or something to 0.20-fixes branch

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gbee:

Ruleke: are you using 0.20 or SVN near 0.20?

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Ruleke:

svn near 0.20 works, 0.20 fails

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Ruleke:

backend is now 0.20

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Ruleke:

assuming the 0.20-fixes branch == 0.20 tag

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gbee:

yep it is, at the moment anyway

[15:43:42]

Ruleke:

so for 0.20 it fails :(

[15:43:47]

vaineh:

hi all, is there a mythtv forum anywhere?

[15:44:03]

Ruleke:

can I get the svn version from mythweb somewhere ? in the .svn dir maybe ?

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gbee:

svn info

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Ruleke:

Last Changed Rev: 10950

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Ruleke:

Last Changed Rev: 11113 << fails

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Ruleke:

no idea why 11124 is not in there ??

[15:46:50]

Ruleke:

it's a fresh checkout

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gbee:

no, 11124 doesn't touch mythweb directly – it was a backend change

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Ruleke:

ah yes

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Ruleke:

my bad sorry

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dev:

Figured it was time for a new release, so, have at it.

[15:47:37]

Ruleke:

so 0.20 backend + 10950 web is ok

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dev:

oh how special of him to figure it was time

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dev:

lol

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dev:

sometimes isaac is full of himself :P

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stuarta:

dev: it was time. stop being rude

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Ruleke:

knock on wood, so far he's been ok with devel questions and merging patches :)

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dev:

it was, but i like how he makes it sound like he figured it was time :p

[15:48:35]

Ruleke:

I've seen others with problems in that area though

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Ruleke:

gbee: should I report it, or is it known ?

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gbee:

it's known – we're trying to figure it out now

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Ruleke:

ticket 2366

[15:50:07]

Ruleke:

yep I found it in the end :)

[15:51:39]

Ruleke:

time to go home for me

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Juski:

vaineh: www.mythtvtalk.com/forum

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vaineh:

thx

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Ruleke:

gbee: strange how one mythweb is affected and the other isn't with a change to mythbackend, no ?

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Ruleke:

anyway, bbl

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tank-man:

is there a description of what the scripts in the contrib dir do ?

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tank-man:

somewhere

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stuarta:

normally in the script itself

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tank-man:

you know what mythrename.pl does?

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tank-man:

doesnt say

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stuarta:

you get one guess...

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kleptophobiac2:

it renames countries

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kleptophobiac2:

?

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stuarta:

bzzt

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kleptophobiac2:

so now that .20 shrunk my fonts like crazy... how do i bigify them again?

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stuarta:

renames mythnames to sensible names

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tank-man:

what mythnames?

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dev:

heh

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Juski:

human-readable :)

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stuarta:

ie. 1004_200607081522.mpg -> that_big_smelly_camel.mpg

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dev:

dirka dirka islamic jihad

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tank-man:

why doesnt it do that by default? use human readable names

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Juski:

omg that poor Brit actor who was in the 9/11 drama thing... he's never gonna be able to holiday in the USA again

[16:04:11]

Juski:

tank-man: to confuse folks like you

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stuarta:

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kleptophobiac2:

gha

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Juski:

to prevent windows users playing mythtv recordings

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kleptophobiac2:

all my fonts are stretched out too

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kleptophobiac2:

despite a square DPI

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gardengnome:

!trout Juski

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** MythLogBot slaps Juski with a trout on behalf of gardengnome... **

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Juski:

evenin gardengnome

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gardengnome:

evenin juski :)

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stuarta:

maybe it's to confuse gnomes?

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Juski:

where you bin at ? ju missed all the fun ...

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gardengnome:

Juski: not here ;)

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stuarta:

you didn't get a life or something silly like that did you?

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Juski:

heh

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gardengnome:

stuarta: aw, c'mon. don't be silly.

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stuarta:

:)

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kleptophobiac2:

poke? anybody have any thoughts on why my text is weird in myth now that i installed 0.20? It's vertically elongated and much smaller than before

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dev:

no wonder mythtv.org is busted

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dev:

frigging /.

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kleptophobiac2:

well, while you can't read the site, you can help me with my text problem

[16:10:11]

kleptophobiac2:

and read about phonons

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kleptophobiac2:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phonon

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kleptophobiac2:

would it be helpful if i posted a screenshot of my stretched text?

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Juski:

xdpyinfo |grep inch

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kleptophobiac2:

yeah, it's 100x100

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kleptophobiac2:

http://img72.imageshack.us/img72/8940/centertextweirdeh6.jpg

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Juski:

4:3 theme on a 16:9 resolution?

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e4:

any recommendations for cheap storage?

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Juski:

e4: hard drives are good

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e4:

heh, aye

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e4:

outpost had a 400Gb for $100, but I found about it a day after it expired

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kleptophobiac2:

it's the wide version of that theme

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kleptophobiac2:

plus

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kleptophobiac2:

even before that theme had a wide version, it looked fine

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Juski:

you wouldn't like my solution then

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kleptophobiac2:

haha, which is?

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Juski:

don't use that theme

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kleptophobiac2:

all the themes have text that's vertically stretched

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kleptophobiac2:

which makes me think it isn't the theme's fault

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Juski:

can't say I've ever seen that issue

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kleptophobiac2:

yeah, me neither, which is why i'm stumped

[16:20:05]

Juski:

maybe you don't have the right fonts installed

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kleptophobiac2:

but i did with .19?

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kleptophobiac2:

because .19-fixes and svn as of about two months ago were fine

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Juski:

ah it's a 0.20 issue. no idea then

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kleptophobiac2:

:P

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gardengnome:

Juski: dude, you are so 0.10.

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gardengnome:

0.19 dammit

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kleptophobiac2:

lol

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kleptophobiac2:

!trout gardengnome

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** MythLogBot slaps gardengnome with a trout on behalf of kleptophobiac2... **

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kleptophobiac2:

karma!

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gardengnome:

i wonder if it's related to the opengl painter/mythui.

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kleptophobiac2:

could it be because i'm running an interlaced mode?

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kleptophobiac2:

so apparent vertical resolution is different from actual vertical resolution?

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Cardoe:

guess who's MythTV box had a HD failure at 6am today...

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Cardoe:

yay!

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kleptophobiac2:

whose

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Cardoe:

Guess where the new ebuilds for 0.20 were...

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Ribs:

where?!

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kleptophobiac2:

backed up on your thumb drive

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SlicerDicer-:

Cardoe: bummer buddy

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Ribs:

oh, is 0.20 out now?

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halcyon:

yep

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SlicerDicer-:

Cardoe: sorry to hear that

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Ribs:

sexy

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Cardoe:

Seagate 7200.9 drive... I thought they were tried and true...

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** SlicerDicer- points Ribs at the topic **

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gardengnome:

Cardoe: ouch :/

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Cardoe:

but I guess they just have a life span of 60 days

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Cardoe:

So everyone Gentoo gets to wait a bit for new ebuilds

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Cardoe:

I would have had them committed this morning

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kleptophobiac2:

it would be sexier if it handled my fonts right

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LabMonkey:

Cardoe: say it ain't so :(

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SlicerDicer-:

Cardoe: This is why I am going to be building raid 1+0 and raid 5 for my mythbox and then have a archive server that I backup to daily with raid5 :/ it will take a bit of time to get done but damnit!

[16:32:01]

SlicerDicer-:

after you saying that it makes me even want to do it more

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Cardoe:

SlicerDicer: you don't wanna lose that video huh....

[16:32:13]

SlicerDicer-:

Cardoe: not really

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giovani:

Cardoe: full death, or, just, damage?

[16:32:20]

Ribs:

hrm

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SlicerDicer-:

alot of it is non replaceable as the channel inhd2 is gone

[16:32:24]

Ribs:

the wiki is broken#

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Cardoe:

giovani: death-age

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Cardoe:

It started the click-o-death

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SlicerDicer-:

Cardoe: does it not spin?

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LabMonkey:

if I can ever figure out wtf the deal is with my megaraid card I'll have my file/backup server straightened out and get the bacula ebuilds up to date

[16:32:53]

giovani:

sucks

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giovani:

at least you have a 5 year warranty ;)

[16:33:07]

Cardoe:

yep

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SlicerDicer-:

oy yeah that bites Cardoe tick tick tick tick tick sound makes you cringe

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LabMonkey:

oh that reminds me...

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Cardoe:

but it sucks when I gotta use the warranty after 60 days

[16:33:32]

LabMonkey:

a friend of mine told be about what he calls "technical tapping"

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giovani:

is that a sexual act?

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LabMonkey:

when a drive dies from a failure like that... hook it up to a system with the drive itself sitting out on a fairly firm surface

[16:34:03]

LabMonkey:

and tap it with a screwdriver or something

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LabMonkey:

start by tapping gently, then harder as you go

[16:34:28]

LabMonkey:

one of three things will happen:

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SlicerDicer-:

lol

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giovani:

sounds about as technically valid as the freezer trick

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LabMonkey:

a) you'll manage to get most if not all of your data back

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SlicerDicer-:

giovani: yeah but it works

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LabMonkey:

b) you get no data back but the drive is dead anyway so who cares

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LabMonkey:

c) you beat the shit out of it and void your warranty

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SlicerDicer-:

c) FIRE!!!

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giovani:

so, live tv and recorded video is played through mplayer?

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Ribs:

it's not just me — the wiki is broken, right?

[16:36:22]

SlicerDicer-:

damn it people stop downloading from mythtv.org you FREAKS!!! I want to read the release notes on the wiki ;-)

[16:36:24]

LabMonkey:

Ribs: I'm broken.

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halcyon:

yeah probably /. bandwidth or something Ribs

[16:36:42]

Ribs:

ah

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Ribs:

it's been slashdotted :>

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LabMonkey:

this is one reason I hate /.

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LabMonkey:

ahh

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LabMonkey:

the poster was smart enough to post it anonymously

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Juski:

damn flashbot. I hate that spamtrap

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gbee:

wish slashdot would roll out low priority news to different geographic locations gradually

[16:42:59]

gbee:

spread the traffic more evenly

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giovani:

or ... you know, notify the website owner at least

[16:43:21]

giovani:

which is the biggest complaint

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CCFL_Man_:

i have a date tonight, bwahaha

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e4:

only problem with that is that it kinda defeats the whole 2.0 thing

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gardengnome:

CCFL_Man_: i suppose you canceled it because of 0.20?

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CCFL_Man_:

gardengnome: i don't have my hardware picked out yet

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CCFL_Man_:

i want to use a backend frontend system and need fanless diskless set top boxes

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AngryElf:

hey all — does the new internal DVD player support audio-output via ALSA? i.e. 5.1 output over a digital line?

[16:46:38]

AngryElf:

in the past i had some crazy long command to play DVDs or files+ac3 and it only worked with mplayer

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AngryElf:

CCFL_Man_: myth isn't exactly resource-heavy....build a box that's fanless and stable and go from there

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Tcrichton:

Hi I've been searching around on how to create video playlists, I noticed someone posted on mythtvtalk that they found the answer in here, but unhelpfully didn't post the answer. Can someone enlighten me on how to create video playlists?

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halcyon:

video or recordings?

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Tcrichton:

video

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halcyon:

oh I've never done that part :D

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CCFL_Man_:

AngryElf: i know, but i want a set top box platform, i was thinking of haxoring the linksys media center extender to run linux on it

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Tcrichton:

:-)

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Tcrichton:

So you can do it from recording I take it

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CCFL_Man_:

or using an msntv2 with linux on it

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halcyon:

there's an option to do it, yes. Last time I looked at videos, I don'tr emember a playlist, though

[16:52:01]

Tcrichton:

Ok, thanks halcyon, I'll keep looking

[16:52:11]

halcyon:

stick around, someone else may know

[16:52:36]

Tcrichton:

Will do, wasn't planning on scramming yet, will pickup where I leave off once I get home

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Tcrichton:

(At work now)

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AngryElf:

CCFL_Man_: might be find for analog playback, but i bet the processor in that can't handle HD content very well

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CCFL_Man_:

i want to have one or two myth backends and 5 or six small, low power set top boxes as frontends on my tvs, about 5 of them

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CCFL_Man_:

AngryElf: thats the only thing, neither the linksys wmce or the msntv2 can really do hdtv playback, the xbox can't even do hdtv playback

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beavis:

first debian packages for 0.20 are on the way to debian-multimedia :)

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beavis:

myththemes are already finished for sid

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AngryElf:

CCFL_Man_: my bet is you're going to be really hard pressed at doing a completely fanless HDTV set top box

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AngryElf:

CCFL_Man_: i bet you could get away with a a passive cooler on your CPU+northbridge and a few 80mm fans in the case, but that's probably the best you can do

[17:05:26]

AngryElf:

passive cooler == heatsink only

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simcop2387:

well theres something i wasn't expecting today

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D-side:

Cardoe: god damnit. i just ordered a 300gb 7200.9

[17:14:37]

D-side:

guess we'll need that 5 year warranty eh? :/

[17:17:13]

Cardoe:

D-side: that's what I had

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Cardoe:

60 days

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Cardoe:

and it was DONE

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d3ity:

mep.

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Juski:

pleh. I hate packing

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Juski:

gardengnome: seen Coume recently?

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Ribs:

Cardoe, you probably just had a dud

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Ribs:

Juski, you're using DVB-T, right?

[17:23:10]

Juski:

yep. times two

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Ribs:

avermedia cards?

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Juski:

three if you could my impotent 800mhz box

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Juski:

nope

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Ribs:

ah

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Juski:

s/could/count (wtf)?

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** Ribs can't figure out how to get the remote working **

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mchou:

Cardoe: you saying your seagate 300GB only lasted for 60 days?

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sigger:

CCFL_Man_: been looking at doing the same. only need 1 for real HD content tho, ATM, so for that one I'm getting a (passive cooled) AMD based mobo with a nvidia 6150 (passive cooled)

[17:25:51]

Cardoe:

mchou: correct

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bluey-:

mhh who's the picture quality of the nvidia 6150 tvout?

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Juski:

who's? not how's?

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bluey-:

oups :)

[17:26:41]

Juski:

if it uses nvidia's own tv encoder it'll be pretty fine

[17:27:07]

Juski:

my fx5200 cards' outputs compare well with standalone video hardware like dvd players

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Juski:

i.e. I can't tell the difference on a 32" TV

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sigger:

I've read nothing but good stuff about PQ, however there have been some folks who have complained about getting the DVI-D output working with their monitor/TV

[17:28:20]

Juski:

pah DVI is for rich people

[17:28:58]

sigger:

well, you have to remember we Americans are spending are way to hell

[17:29:34]

Juski:

that's a point. my bank balance is in the black & I have nothing on my credit card

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sigger:

much of the US envies you

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Juski:

what? lil ole us in Englandistan?

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Juski:

time to head home I think. if I see one more crate I'll go mad

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Ribs:

hrm

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Ribs:

lirc seems hopelessly broken

[17:34:17]

poonj:

wow, 0.20 came out

[17:34:26]

poonj:

I just set 0.19 last week!

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poonj:

Ribs, in 0.20?

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Ribs:

"Sorry, this driver needs bttv version 0.7.45 or higher."

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Ribs:

yet I have 0.9.16 installed

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Ribs:

poonj, it's nothing to do with mythtv

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Ribs:

it's lirc

[17:35:14]

Ribs:

being a bitch >:/

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poonj:

the website is really slow

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Ribs:

it's being slashdotted

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sigger:

oooh ya, real slow

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poonj:

mytharchieve looks cool

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poonj:

how long does it take for slashdot to archieve a site?

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kormoc:

slashdot never archives a site

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gardengnome:

maybe it achieves it?

[17:55:41]

kormoc:

and they don't archive either

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poonj:

well

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peppo:

I get this error when trying to use mythtv: http://rafb.net/paste/results/bJOOMp65.html

[17:56:00]

poonj:

what do they do then?

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kormoc:

poonj, they link to a site, that's it

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simcop2387:

poonj: overload the server for a few hours

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simcop2387:

typically thought the slashdotting ends about 4–5 hours after the story for something popular

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poonj:

why does it take 2 hrs?

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kormoc:

cause there's thousands and thousands of people hitting the server all at once

[17:56:54]

gardengnome:

peppo: did you run mythtv-setup?

[17:57:16]

peppo:

gardengnome, nah, apt-get sort of implied things were configured

[17:57:22]

peppo:

I'll try that

[17:57:37]

gardengnome:

peppo: oh my god. please read the documentation before doing anything.

[17:57:44]

gbee:

besides you want mythfrontend, not mythtv?

[17:57:59]

peppo:

gardengnome, most applications "just" work though

[17:58:04]

peppo:

TV is working via /dev/video0, so...

[17:58:16]

gardengnome:

peppo: no. mythtv doesn't.

[17:58:20]

kormoc:

peppo, mythtv is not a application that "just" works

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gbee:

mythtv is considerably more complex than most applications – it requires some configuration

[17:58:49]

peppo:

right. maybe it's not for me then.

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simcop2387:

poonj: bascially we've all got to wait :( why couldn't slashdot be a day or week late like usual?

[17:59:15]

poonj:

heh

[17:59:20]

poonj:

too popular

[17:59:36]

poonj:

I also wanted to ask you guys..

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gardengnome:

i could package up yesterday's SVN, that shoild be close to 0.20 :)

[17:59:41]

gbee:

it has to deal with dozens of different hardware types,data sources etc it's not just plug and play

[17:59:49]

poonj:

the WinTV go plus version has a remote...

[17:59:53]

peppo:

I can't see my mouse in mythtv-setup — intentional?

[17:59:54]

poonj:

does that work in linux?

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gardengnome:

peppo: yes. read the docs.

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kormoc:

peppo, aye

[18:00:09]

poonj:

because it would be worth getting that package for $40 for the card and remote

[18:00:10]

gbee:

peppo: yes – it's designed to be control using a remote control

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kormoc:

peppo, the documentation goes over all of this

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gbee:

but it works with a keyboard too

[18:00:30]

kormoc:

peppo, it's a powerful program, but requires a lot of setup to get right. Did you even setup the database server for myth?

[18:00:40]

peppo:

yes

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gardengnome:

poonj: why don't you buy a pvr 150?

[18:00:51]

poonj:

well, I have a PVR-150

[18:00:59]

poonj:

but the WinTV go plus is $40

[18:01:05]

poonj:

with a remote

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poonj:

I could buy that and a PVR-150MCE

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D-side:

i'm done with bttv cards, personally.

[18:01:27]

gardengnome:

how much is the pvr 150? it's like 45¤ in germany

[18:01:33]

kormoc:

I honestly love my mce-usb2 remote

[18:01:38]

kormoc:

it's well worth the cost to buy

[18:01:43]

D-side:

for the price, i see no reason to pick something that doesnt do hardware encoding.

[18:01:45]

peppo:

mythtv-setup requires root privs, but doesn't warn about this initially

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kormoc:

peppo, that's cause it's not designed for people new to linux

[18:02:06]

poonj:

D-side, a remote costs $35!

[18:02:09]

peppo:

ahaha

[18:02:09]

kormoc:

peppo, and it doesn't require root privs

[18:02:22]

peppo:

it wants to write to /var/lib/mythtv//.test

[18:02:30]

peppo:

why not write to a ~/ dir

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kormoc:

cause that's where you told it to store the recording files

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kormoc:

which it needs to write too

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alieas:

sup all

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kormoc:

peppo, this is *all* covered in the documentation

[18:04:24]

simcop2387:

ok so he's got an ebuild for all the other plugins guess i've got to make one for mytharchive...

[18:04:35]

peppo:

kormoc, the mythtv web site isn't accessible from here

[18:04:50]

kormoc:

peppo, that's cause it's getting slashdotted, give it a few hours and you'll be good to go

[18:04:54]

gardengnome:

peppo: the debian packages come with the documentation.

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alieas:

can anyone tell me if 0.20 allows for pcHDTV cards to use the the NTSC tuners along with the ATSC? I never could get the NTSC working in .19

[18:05:33]

jstew:

congrats on 0.20

[18:05:46]

jstew:

alieas: According to the release notes, yes!

[18:06:06]

jstew:

Myhtv dev is really moving along fast.

[18:06:35]

alieas:

jstew: sweet! I've been trying to read the realease notes but the server is getting mass traffic

[18:06:53]

jstew:

They are up on slashdot if you need to read them

[18:06:59]

peppo:

anyone else using debian here?

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gardengnome:

peppo: yes.

[18:07:12]

jstew:

yes peppo.

[18:07:26]

fryfrog:

rar, i just saw mythtv got digged :)

[18:07:26]

jstew:

ubuntu to be exact, but close enough.

[18:07:26]

peppo:

is mythtv configured so that it must be run by the mythtv user, or can this be worked around?

[18:07:48]

poonj:

peppo, that is all based on permissions

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poonj:

on the system

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fryfrog:

if you want, you can run mythtv as the user "notmythtv"

[18:08:10]

fryfrog:

or "OMGREALLYNOTMYTHTV"

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fryfrog:

assuming it can take usernames that long

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peppo:

all the configuration I can find is /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt

[18:08:49]

jstew:

yeah, you can run it as whoever as long as you have permissions on the video devices

[18:09:08]

peppo:

I can play back /dev/video0 with mpayer w/o problems

[18:09:17]

jstew:

well then you should be good to go

[18:09:27]

peppo:

it says it can't connect to the something-server

[18:09:30]

peppo:

main recording server

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peppo:

(rough translation from swedish)

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gardengnome:

master backend server?

[18:09:44]

jstew:

You dont have your backend running then maybe

[18:09:51]

peppo:

mythbackend already running, use restart instead.

[18:10:01]

peppo:

(20:09:42) root@senap:~# /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend restart

[18:10:01]

peppo:

Restarting MythTV server: mythbackendNo /usr/bin/mythbackend found running; none killed.

[18:10:02]

peppo:

.

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jstew:

try startign it manually until you figure out whats wrong

[18:10:35]

peppo:

http://rafb.net/paste/results/NPkSkL64.html

[18:10:37]

peppo:

mysql error

[18:10:40]

peppo:

I've specified the correct pwd

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peppo:

and I've connected to the mysql database manually successfully

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jstew:

connect with the mythtv mysql user.

[18:11:22]

jstew:

or just grant the user you want to use the correct permissions

[18:11:23]

peppo:

same error, access denied

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AngryElf:

peppo, it's probably a bad idea for your frontend to be connecting to the database as root

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AngryElf:

which, btw, did you set up a root password for mysql?

[18:12:07]

peppo:

yah

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jstew:

what elf said ^^

[18:12:19]

AngryElf:

so you can login with mysql -uroot -p ?

[18:12:21]

peppo:

so what should I start as what?

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peppo:

AngryElf, yup, without a problem

[18:12:41]

peppo:

Your MySQL connection id is 26 to server version: 5.0.24a-Debian_3-lo...

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jstew:

I jusy use mythtv. password mythtv

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AngryElf:

peppo mythtv doesn't support mysql v5.0 very well

[18:13:06]

peppo:

apparently not

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AngryElf:

even if you get the connection worked out in the end you'll get some wacked out errors in the database

[18:13:23]

jstew:

Well I think the problem is more your configuration than mysql

[18:13:28]

AngryElf:

although i believe your current problems are not related to the v5.0 issue

[18:13:40]

peppo:

all I have here is 5

[18:13:54]

AngryElf:

is it an option to install 4.x?

[18:13:55]

jstew:

you shuold be able to install other mysql versions via apt.

[18:14:06]

AngryElf:

what distro?

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peppo:

debian unstable

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peppo:

libmysqlclient14?

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AngryElf:

well, you need the server too

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peppo:

that's all I get for apt-cache search mysql|grep 4

[18:15:26]

jstew:

Does XvMC work good in .20? I like how you can make it only use XvMC for HD recordings.

[18:15:31]

jstew:

Thats a great feature

[18:15:37]

liran_:

peppo: are you on sarge 3.1 (stable) ?

[18:15:41]

peppo:

liran_, unstable.

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AngryElf:

in ubuntu the package is mysql-server-4.1

[18:16:03]

peppo:

AngryElf, all there is is server-5.0

[18:16:19]

peppo:

can anyone recommend a simple GTK2/HIG'd TV frontend for ivtv?

[18:16:20]

AngryElf:

i'm sure there's a deb somewhere.....google

[18:16:40]

peppo:

I'm think I'm down the wrong path

[18:16:43]

peppo:

I need something simple

[18:17:41]

AngryElf:

mythtv rocks your face off — bite the bullet and read some docs

[18:17:48]

liran_:

uhmm

[18:17:57]

peppo:

it doesn't even seem to want to run in a simple window.

[18:17:58]

fryfrog:

blech, cardoe had a hd failure and lost the 0.20 mythtv ebuilds :(

[18:18:07]

peppo:

or a mouse for the interface.

[18:18:08]

peppo:

so, ehm.

[18:18:10]

peppo:

I'm moving on

[18:18:10]

peppo:

thanks

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fryfrog:

Cardoe: you around?

[18:18:33]

gardengnome:

Cardoe: i know where you can get svn ebuilds, maybe you could base the 0.20 ebuilds on them

[18:18:46]

gardengnome:

Cardoe: https://svn.mylinuxtime.de/svn/mythtv

[18:18:53]

AngryElf:

lame

[18:19:02]

Krazylegz:

Doesn't Cardoe DO the ebuilds?

[18:19:05]

fryfrog:

yes

[18:19:10]

fryfrog:

but not the svn ones

[18:19:14]

Krazylegz:

Ah, okay.

[18:19:21]

Krazylegz:

Thanks fryfrog.

[18:19:24]

fryfrog:

gardengnome: were those svn ebuilds up-to-date with use falgs and features and stuff?

[18:19:41]

gardengnome:

fryfrog: not sure. but i think mytharchive is supported..

[18:19:47]

gardengnome:

so they're quite recent

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dev:

<fryfrog> blech, cardoe had a hd failure and lost the 0.20 mythtv ebuilds :(

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dev:

dude should keep backups, lol

[18:20:34]

dev:

especially if you're useing a single drive heh

[18:20:46]

dev:

like how hard is it to rsync nightly to your other machines ;P

[18:21:24]

Zider:

maybe that nightly sync was gonna happen aftr the drive broke? :P

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fryfrog:

well, when he replied i was going to give him shit for not having some sort of backups :/

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fryfrog:

i wish i had kept up with mythtv and gentoo, maybe i'd have had a copy then tooo

[18:22:37]

dev:

Zider: its possible, but at least chances are you'd have the backups :P

[18:22:54]

dev:

i rsync ~/backups to all my boxes nightly, chances are they wont all fail at the same time :P

[18:23:30]

dev:

everything is .gpg'd too so i could even rsync them offsite if i was scared about fire or something :P

[18:23:34]

dev:

but honestly, im not that important hehe

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Zider:

but if he made the ebuild during the day, the drive breaks down at 8 and the sync that was gonna backup wasn't scheduled until 12?

[18:24:45]

Zider:

nightly rsync doesn't help then

[18:24:46]

fryfrog:

thats why rsnapshot runs ourly!

[18:24:49]

dev:

right.. it could happen as i said, but chances are the drives not gonna bomb in 4hrs :P

[18:24:57]

fryfrog:

or you have raid1

[18:25:13]

dev:

you could even rsync every 10minutes! :)

[18:25:24]

fryfrog:

hourly is plenty :)

[18:25:40]

fryfrog:

i have 2 hourlys, 1 daily, 1 weekly and 1 molnthly :)

[18:25:59]

AngryElf:

or you could be lucky and inherit a SDLT drive and not bother reading the man page on rsync :)

[18:27:23]

dev:

grabbing crap off tape is a pita

[18:29:14]

feld:

lol oh no

[18:29:20]

feld:

cardoe's drive died?

[18:29:29]

halcyon:

yeah :/

[18:29:32]

** feld sends him flowers for his loss **

[18:29:39]

feld:

that's a bummer man

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dev:

send him 2 drives and a howto for lvm

[18:29:47]

dev:

=P

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jstew:

lol

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feld:

must be a bad day, because about 30 mins ago our linux gateway died

[18:29:53]

jstew:

now thats funny.

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feld:

dev: lvm mirroring?

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jstew:

9/11 is a bad day all around.

[18:30:08]

Cardoe:

lvm wouldn't fix it

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dev:

corruption not hardware failure?

[18:30:21]

jstew:

raid1 would fix it.

[18:30:23]

feld:

Cardoe: could if you did mirroring and snapshots, but raid1 would be the real solution

[18:30:38]

dev:

unless it was corruption then raid1 wouldnt fix it

[18:30:41]

feld:

LVM is a convenience, not a life saver

[18:30:54]

D-side:

indeed.

[18:30:55]

feld:

raid1 your lvm and then we're talking....

[18:31:03]

jstew:

well software raid is not a lifesaver either.

[18:31:08]

D-side:

its snapshots are fantastic, but again convenient.

[18:31:18]

feld:

jstew: yeah if the algorithm explodes, then you might have issues :P

[18:31:28]

Cardoe:

hardware raid is not either

[18:31:28]

dev:

personally i think software raid is a waste, but if you;re useing a single pata drive as your setup *anything* is better

[18:31:38]

D-side:

hardware raid is not what?

[18:31:39]

jstew:

hardware raid with battery backed cache is the way to go if youre serious.

[18:31:45]

feld:

dev: you can software raid 2 partitions on the same hard disk in Linux. WOOT!

[18:31:52]

D-side:

raid is no substitute for backups.

[18:31:54]

D-side:

thats for damn sure.

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jstew:

tru that diside

[18:32:02]

Cardoe:

dev: it was a single SATA drive

[18:32:09]

jstew:

But then again backups suck too... :)

[18:32:10]

Cardoe:

and I hadn't copied the ebuilds to my dev machine

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dev:

Cardoe: then you just learned why people do backups ;)

[18:32:17]

** kormoc blinks **

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Cardoe:

they were just on my "production" myth box

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feld:

Cardoe: what brand of hard drive was it?

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Cardoe:

Seagate 7200.9 300gb

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** feld starts writing a nasty letter to Seagate **

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jstew:

So were not gonna see a myth 0.20 ebuild anytime soon then?

[18:32:54]

dev:

seagate, bummer, ive always have good experiences with them

[18:33:06]

jstew:

I have great luck with seagate. Maxtor on the other hand... gr.

[18:33:06]

** dev knocks on wood **

[18:33:10]

feld:

Dear seagate, you lost our ebuilds. i hate your guts. PS: Tell maxtor I said HI.

[18:33:17]

dev:

yeah ive had tons of maxtor and wd drives go tits up

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dev:

couple ibms too

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dev:

deathstars heh

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feld:

hitachi/ibm deathstars!

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jstew:

For my servers I buy only seagate for scsi drives.

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Cardoe:

dev: I do backups

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dev:

only seagate ive had fail is an old 40gig pata that was running at about 150degrees for a couple years

[18:34:00]

Cardoe:

just not on my production myth box

[18:34:02]

dev:

heat == drive death

[18:34:04]

feld:

I have not had any issues with WD drives. I have had maxtor/seagates die, though.

[18:34:26]

jstew:

maxtor is the devil. quantum too when they weer in business.

[18:34:29]

feld:

i think the drives are probably near the same quality for consumer drives, but you just might get unlucky... and yeah....

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dev:

ive had wd drives die, but my oldest in-use drive is a wd. 3gig heh

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fryfrog:

I have 5x 320G WD drives, in 1 year 2 of the 5 have failed so far

[18:34:56]

feld:

jstew: lol i put slackware on a p75 with 4mb of ram the other day. it had a quantum fireball with only 1gb of storage lol lol

[18:34:57]

dev:

its been running since 96–97 or so

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feld:

fryfrog: holy crap that's terrible!

[18:35:13]

fryfrog:

I have 4x seagates, none of them have failed :/

[18:35:13]

jstew:

slackware 4.0?

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dverzolla:

Hi! I'm tring do a schedule in mythweb, but i'm giving this error: SQL Error: Column 'inactive' cannot be null [#1048]

[18:35:20]

feld:

jstew: no, slackware 10.2 lol

[18:35:22]

jstew:

Thats was a damn nice distro.

[18:35:28]

fryfrog:

fortunatly, they didn't both fail at the same time :)

[18:35:29]

dverzolla:

I'm using the latest stable version 0.20 !

[18:35:38]

dev:

when you have big raid5 arrays you have to make sure that box has big cooling too :P

[18:35:46]

halcyon:

dverzolla: I think that's a known issue

[18:35:51]

gardengnome:

dverzolla: yeah. that's "normal". it's fixed but you'll have to wait...

[18:35:53]

kormoc:

dverzolla, talk to xris

[18:35:54]

dev:

my 4x300gig'rs have a 120mm intake fan right in front of them. they still get hot

[18:35:54]

jstew:

So whats the quickest place to download the .20? is svn still snappy?

[18:36:04]

feld:

i want a raid 20.

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fryfrog:

My box has 2 "groups" of 4 drives in bays with each a 120mm fan behind

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jstew:

I have raid10 and I'm happy with it. 12 spindles.

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fryfrog:

and another 120mm fan exausting the case

[18:36:38]

fryfrog:

and 2x fans in the psu helping

[18:36:44]

kormoc:

I have 3x wd 320's, 2x 120's, and 1x 200, and 0 failed in two years now or os

[18:36:44]

dverzolla:

Really sux...

[18:36:57]

xris:

dverzolla: known issue with other columns. hadn't seen it with that one. I'm rolling fixes into stable, and Isaac will be updating the tarballs later today.

[18:36:58]

stuarta:

kormoc: think xris's just fixed it.

[18:37:01]

janneg:

jstew: the anonymous svn is currently disabled due to high load

[18:37:01]

D-side:

feld: 20?

[18:37:02]

fryfrog:

guess hard drives are just hit or miss :)

[18:37:18]

fryfrog:

I have bad luck with Maxtor though they usually wait till their warrenty is expired :)

[18:37:18]

dverzolla:

xris, Oh, Ok! Thanks man

[18:37:19]

kormoc:

actually, the 120's are 4 years old or so now

[18:37:21]

jstew:

bummer. I guess I'll haev to get the tarball then.

[18:37:30]

fryfrog:

http://fryfrog.com/reviews/chenbro-sr10769/

[18:37:37]

dverzolla:

xris, By now I will do schedule in mythfrontend

[18:37:39]

fryfrog:

one of my favorite case layouts :)

[18:37:59]

xris:

this is really annoying. mysql is supposed to use the default value for fields when you set them to NULL

[18:38:04]

dverzolla:

xris, You really like the .htaccess configuration?

[18:38:12]

feld:

D-side: typo, i mean raid 50

[18:38:13]

kormoc:

xris, only if it's a myisam table

[18:38:33]

xris:

kormoc: which is what mythtv uses

[18:38:34]

kormoc:

xris, and only if it's NULL and not 'NULL' or "NULL" or '' or ""

[18:38:36]

fryfrog:

raid 50?

[18:38:38]

D-side:

feld: excellent. my headache disappeared. :)

[18:38:43]

fryfrog:

what is that, a raid 5 of a bunch of raid 0s?

[18:38:44]

feld:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redundant_array_ . . . AID_5.2B0.29

[18:38:46]

D-side:

fryfrog: a stripe of two 5's

[18:38:51]

fryfrog:

ah

[18:38:51]

xris:

fryfrog: ^^^

[18:39:01]

D-side:

yes, the wiki raid article is great.

[18:39:01]

feld:

D-side: 3 5's

[18:39:11]

D-side:

feld: ack.

[18:39:13]

dverzolla:

xris, You really like the .htaccess configuration?

[18:39:30]

dev:

wow raid50 seems like overkill

[18:39:34]

D-side:

feld: want a lot of drives eh?

[18:39:37]

dev:

i just use a little raid5 of 4x300 and im happy hehe

[18:39:38]

D-side:

dev: not really.

[18:39:40]

jstew:

I smell a .20-foxes branch coming on really soon :)

[18:39:41]

feld:

imagine that HEAT!

[18:39:41]

AngryElf:

so how do you guys handle backing up large files (dvds, mythRecordings.mpg)?

[18:39:45]

dev:

with 2048k stripe size hehe

[18:39:48]

jstew:

s/foxes/fixes/

[18:40:00]

halcyon:

it's already there jstew, if svn were open :D

[18:40:01]

feld:

AngryElf: steal a terabyte here and there

[18:40:09]

xris:

AngryElf: dvd *is* the backup.

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dev:

my only backups of recordings are the drives they reside on, raid5

[18:40:30]

jstew:

thats the main reason I like to grab from svn, for the fixes branch.

[18:40:35]

D-side:

i'll love mytharchive when i get .20 on there.

[18:40:38]

dev:

i dump the mythconverg db nightly and rsync to all my machines

[18:40:47]

dev:

mythconverg is the only important thing for me

[18:41:03]

D-side:

oh. right. i need to read the mythweb changelog.

[18:41:19]

feld:

ok so what are the known .20 issues and are they show-stoppers?

[18:41:21]

D-side:

xris: how much of the mythweb changes can be attributed to the summer-of-code contributions?

[18:41:23]

AngryElf:

xris, dvd *isnt* big enough :(

[18:41:40]

jstew:

HD-DVD then? :)

[18:41:50]

feld:

TAPE FTW!!

[18:41:54]

feld:

:P

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jstew:

I thought we already established that tapes suck. :P

[18:42:16]

Cardoe:

jstew: what's going into fixes...

[18:42:24]

feld:

"let me go look through my cassetes. I might have your dvd on there somewhere."

[18:42:26]

simcop2387:

well now to see if the random ebuilds off the gentoo forums work for mythtv 0.20 or not :)

[18:42:36]

D-side:

simcop2387: ugh.

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** simcop2387 has mostly been waiting for mytharchive **

[18:42:37]

D-side:

good luck.

[18:42:42]

simcop2387:

D-side: yea i know :)

[18:42:48]

AngryElf:

jstew, yea but how else am i going to back up my ripped DVDs->avi? that are 1.5GB a piece?

[18:42:50]

D-side:

simcop2387: make a package first.

[18:42:50]

Cardoe:

christ

[18:42:53]

jstew:

I don't know yet cardoe...

[18:42:54]

Cardoe:

people need to RELAX

[18:42:58]

D-side:

Cardoe: hahaha

[18:43:03]

Cardoe:

"I'm gonna test these EBUILDS OFF THE FORUMS

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D-side:

Cardoe: dont worry, i'm waiting for your masterpiece

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dev:

AngryElf: raid5 :P

[18:43:11]

Cardoe:

omgomgomgomgomgomgomg NEED IT NOW

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jstew:

lol

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feld:

im not upgrading until .20.1 or an inbetween. i got bit in the ass last time i got too anxious.

[18:43:29]

dev:

yeah i got screwed with 0.19 as well

[18:43:29]

Cardoe:

How about the jackass that submitted the first bug to me... 28 minutes before Isaac posted to the website.

[18:43:31]

SlicerDicer-:

lol feld

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jstew:

Youll test it. You know you will... :)

[18:43:38]

SlicerDicer-:

feld: I have been runing SVN its alright

[18:43:38]

opello:

nice

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dev:

but im running svn from last week so its no biggy

[18:43:43]

feld:

Cardoe: lol "why does this ebuld have rm -rf / at the end?"

[18:43:45]

kormoc:

feld, given there is no 0.19.1, you might want to reconsider :P

[18:43:46]

SlicerDicer-:

feld: I doubt you will have no issues

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D-side:

Cardoe: at least you're not taking it personally. :D

[18:43:50]

opello:

so, waiting until 0.20-fixes? heh

[18:43:53]

SlicerDicer-:

err I doubt you will have issues feld

[18:43:54]

AngryElf:

dev raid 5 doesn't prevent corruption though :/

[18:44:00]

kormoc:

feld, luckly enough, the sandbox will stop that :P

[18:44:06]

dev:

AngryElf: neither does any other backup method :P

[18:44:06]

feld:

kormoc: hahahahaha yeah ur right

[18:44:07]

simcop2387:

feld: heh, thats what reading is good for :)

[18:44:13]

feld:

kormoc: not if they dont have sandbox enabled!

[18:44:15]

SlicerDicer-:

kormoc: unless you get fetus sucked into the fan

[18:44:25]

Cardoe:

D-side: It's people are being crazy

[18:44:27]

kormoc:

feld, if they don't enable the sandbox, they're just asking for it :P

[18:44:37]

SlicerDicer-:

hello Kobaz

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SlicerDicer-:

err kormoc

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** simcop2387 always enables sandbox, no good reasons not to ever **

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AngryElf:

dev different levels of removeable storage do...i.e. tapes

[18:45:07]

jstew:

sandbox?

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SlicerDicer-:

feld: but seriously the SVN has been really quite stable for me I have no issues going .20 now .19 on the other hand was scary for me :)

[18:45:43]

jstew:

I just back up mythcpnverg and cross my fingers.

[18:45:50]

AngryElf:

man .19 killed me, i've been using some svn for a while now :/

[18:45:57]

SlicerDicer-:

jstew: thats the best you can do

[18:46:01]

simcop2387:

jstew: same here

[18:46:04]

SlicerDicer-:

well not the best

[18:46:07]

SlicerDicer-:

but its good enough

[18:46:16]

stuarta:

it's the way forward...

[18:46:27]

jstew:

yeah. I keep the old branch compiled and ready to do a make install just o be safe

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dev:

.19 was an unstable POS for me. and it wasnt my hardware since upgrading to svn magically curred all

[18:46:53]

jstew:

I had no issues with .19 surprisingly.

[18:46:54]

simcop2387:

jstew: i don't go that far, its generally easy enough for me to recompile it if this one breaks

[18:46:58]

gardengnome:

i've got livetv issues in svn, suppose they're in 0.20 as well

[18:47:00]

SlicerDicer-:

dev: I had to write all kinda shellscripts to make .19 work properly heh

[18:47:06]

jstew:

It worked better for me than .18

[18:47:15]

simcop2387:

.19 was a huge step up for me too

[18:47:20]

dev:

when i upgraded to .19 all i wanted to do was go back to .18 heh

[18:47:22]

stuarta:

gardengnome: svn = 0.20 today :)

[18:47:27]

SlicerDicer-:

dev: I still use them with 20 but I dont think they are needed but not willing to test

[18:47:30]

halcyon:

.20 works well for livetv and recorded, built an hour or so ago

[18:47:33]

dev:

but .20 is real nice and ive had no problems

[18:47:33]

halcyon:

for me I mean

[18:47:42]

gardengnome:

stuarta: there have been changes and you know it. ;)

[18:47:45]

dev:

well, 2 week ago svn anyway. close enough

[18:47:51]

stuarta:

1 or 2...

[18:48:02]

gardengnome:

stuarta: yeah, still. ;) hehe

[18:48:15]

dopez:

0.20 also works great for me, only adding new programs with mythweb is broken (and a fix is probably already on the way)

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AngryElf:

hmmm? mythweb is broken with 0.20?

[18:48:45]

dev:

everything works perfect for me and has been since augst 22nd, so im not upgrading anytime soon hehe

[18:48:57]

Juski:

oo someone's gonna regret spamming bashbot.org now

[18:49:04]

halcyon:

AngryElf: scheduling programs, and I seem to not be able to play from it

[18:49:07]

dopez:

AngryElf: only adding new schedule's, changing ones works

[18:49:11]

GreyFoxx:

dopez: I think the fix has already been put in a -fixes branch

[18:49:27]

dev:

the only problem i have is mythbackend on my masterbackend occationally dies. but i have it running under services so it just restarts. at least in .20 slavebackends connect gracefully so there are no interruptions in recordings or anything

[18:49:32]

GreyFoxx:

Just unavailable at the moment

[18:49:33]

Juski:

only the users are to blame for that.. not enough people tested SVN

[18:49:36]

dopez:

GreyFoxx: oh ok, now just have to wait till svn is back up :)

[18:49:38]

dev:

.19 slavebackends had to be restarted which was real annoying

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jstew:

I cant wait to get home and install .20

[18:50:05]

AngryElf:

why is SVN so busy if 0.20 just came out?

[18:50:07]

Cardoe:

Juski: please..... Proper TESTING

[18:50:11]

Cardoe:

unit testing

[18:50:14]

GreyFoxx:

AngryElf: Slashdotted

[18:50:19]

Juski:

Cardoe: fair nuff :)

[18:50:21]

stuarta:

AngryElf: /.'d

[18:50:25]

poningru:

Cardoe: dude totally...

[18:50:35]

Cardoe:

poningru: hey buddy

[18:50:35]

poningru:

HUGE

[18:50:42]

Juski:

am I alone in hating slashdot & digg ?

[18:50:42]

AngryElf:

oh aren't you all cool

[18:50:48]

simcop2387:

Juski: most likely not

[18:50:53]

Cardoe:

So who's gonna get the FIRST Gentoo ebuilds written?

[18:50:58]

Cardoe:

simcop2387: it's a race come on!

[18:51:06]

Juski:

not me. I'm dumping gentoo at the weekend

[18:51:11]

poningru:

last time I was here there were half the numberof people

[18:51:17]

simcop2387:

Cardoe: was done an hour ago or so

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Cardoe:

Juski: can't handle it/

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dev:

the gentoo is too much for the juski

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Juski:

can't handle it when stuff breaks. I'm getting old & I just want stuff to work

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simcop2387:

Cardoe: http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-497211-h . . . -mythtv.html

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poningru:

Juski: ubuntu

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dev:

Juski: then stop breaking stuff!

[18:52:07]

Juski:

lol dev

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poningru:

dev: but thats half the fun

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dev:

ive had no problems with my gentoo machines. but i dont break stuff!

[18:52:17]

SlicerDicer-:

Juski: lol

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jstew:

my wife cant hadle it when stuff breaks.

[18:52:22]

Juski:

yeah I'll ignore portage telling me to upgrade it

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dev:

dont run ~x86 :p

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Blammo:

I don't see anything on the channel topic, so I'm asking — Anyone else seeing SVN down? (and link to release notes off the wiki broken too?)

[18:52:42]

Juski:

dev: fuck off

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jstew:

~x86 is my friend. I've been lucky so far

[18:52:54]

dev:

what do you expect when you're running unstable

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GreyFoxx:

Blammo: slashdotted. It'll be back

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dev:

its not gentoos fault

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simcop2387:

Juski: yea i've ignored portage telling me to upgrade for a long time

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AngryElf:

i finally had my main WS up and running nice the way i want it and some wacky hardware problem reared it's ugly face last night

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Juski:

simcop2387: I'd ignored it for a while, then upgraded & found I couldn't emerge some things cos march or something was wrong.. loads of forum posts about it with solutions – none of which worked. I decided then & there that I was in way over my head

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SlicerDicer-:

hehe

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jstew:

Heh, something I've never tried before: can I record multiple streams off the same transponder for DVB or ATSC?

[18:54:55]

GreyFoxx:

jstew: I know that is planned but I don't think it's in 0.20

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jstew:

Ah. Ok.

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simcop2387:

Juski: yea i had that kind of thing happen to me back when i first started, i ended up just reinstalling, its even worse when you mess up gcc! i was lucky enough to have access to another box to build it on and reemerge it, so i tend not to upgrade portage, glibc, and gcc unless absolutely neccessary

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feld:

jstew: omg ~x86?? you're crazy

[18:55:40]

Blammo:

GreyFoxx: Thanks — anyone have an alternate link to the release notes? Trying to make sure a backend-deadlock issue was addressed.

[18:55:56]

simcop2387:

Blammo: let me check i've got it open

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dev:

i use ~x86 flag for only a few packages heh

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jstew:

I am crazy feld. But I've expected issues and havent run into any thus far (fingers crossed)

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dev:

useing ~x86 global is just asking for trouble, which you received! :)

[18:56:32]

feld:

jstew: i did that for like a year having ~x86 global

[18:56:33]

jstew:

Oh, I don't use it globall

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feld:

then it exploded on me hehehe

[18:56:49]

feld:

i knew it would eventually, i just wanted to test it.

[18:56:51]

jstew:

Just for about 20% of my stuff.

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simcop2387:

http://rafb.net/paste/results/qW35sD22.html Blammo check that, i'm not exactly sure what it'd be under

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feld:

i have a very short package.keywords

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Blammo:

simcop: thx, checking

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jstew:

I might be crazy, but not THAT crazy. :)

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Juski:

simcop2387: totally... if I need to emerge world to fix it properly I might aswell spend the time changing to a distro I hate less

[19:03:48]

Juski:

I'm not actually that big a fan of linux (or windows, or computers) anymore. if something does what I want as painlessly as I want, it gets the job :)

[19:04:49]

jstew:

Well you might as well use freebsd then. :P

[19:05:06]

Blammo:

I've been very happy under both Fedora and Centos/RHEL

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Juski:

mythtv on freebsd.. lol no thanks

[19:05:20]

jstew:

lol

[19:05:45]

jstew:

In all seriousness, FreeBSD has been the most painless OS for me.... for web serving.

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dev:

freebsd is the best x86 server os :)

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dev:

sucks as a desktop if you want to anything fun like cedega

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jstew:

yes.

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gardengnome:

what about pc-bsd? i installed it but then i didn't like the bsd 'cp' ;)

[19:06:49]

jstew:

I'd rather use linux as a desktop.

[19:07:03]

Juski:

ubuntu is the one I hate least right now, so that's what I'll move onto

[19:07:37]

dev:

i used fbsd as my desktop for a long time, but then i wanted to play with cedega

[19:07:38]

Juski:

hate's a pretty strong word, but I'm not thick, and gentoo had me really scared & confused the other week

[19:07:46]

dev:

so went to gentoo to give it a try, since portage is alot like ports

[19:07:47]

jstew:

I have a love hate relationship with gentoo but IMHO it's the best for myth.

[19:08:27]

Juski:

I think I spent the best part of a whole week getting xmltv to emerge 2 years ago. XML::Soap be damned

[19:08:40]

halcyon:

I used to run freebsd (even as myth frontend!) but switched to ubuntu for my desktops.

[19:08:47]

jstew:

I did not have good luck with ubuntu at all for myth. It's a pretty desktop though.

[19:09:02]

Juski:

but it's BROWN

[19:09:04]

Juski:

lol

[19:09:14]

jstew:

Of course I was doing some pretty exotic stuff with myth and dishnetwork at the time.

[19:09:57]

jstew:

it's brown and orange now.

[19:10:08]

gardengnome:

kubuntu is blu

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gardengnome:

blue*

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jstew:

So is xubuntu

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Juski:

I don't care what colour the desktop is when I'm not gonna see it much ;-)

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simcop2387:

Juski: mythtv (and a few other apps, and the philosophy) are the biggest reasons i like linux better than windows, linux does everything i need, and more, windows i have to pay money to do the same things :)

[19:10:47]

Juski:

ubuntu for the backend and minimyth for the frontend

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dev:

simcop2387: unfortunately some games you must have windows for

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simcop2387:

dev: yea, most of those games though i don't play, just not enough time

[19:11:31]

Juski:

simcop2387: I know that, but the things I use computers for most besides mythtv are video editing & audio editing. linux is roughly where windows was 10 years ago for those kind of apps

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kormoc:

dev, how'd you like cedega?

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dev:

kormoc: its excellent

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Juski:

it's fucking brilliant for 'free' I'll grant you that though

[19:12:05]

kormoc:

niftyness

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dev:

i was very surprised how well the supported games play. like hl2 for instance, it runs the same in linux as it does in winxp for me ( i dual boot my main desktop )

[19:12:07]

simcop2387:

Juski: yea i can understand that, i haven't gotten into that much, never had anything to edit :)

[19:12:14]

** kormoc nods **

[19:12:20]

jstew:

You know what would be cool? A standalone unichrome video card.

[19:12:30]

simcop2387:

jstew: what exactly does that mean?

[19:12:35]

kormoc:

dev, there's some really nice changes in the future that should help out even more :)

[19:12:46]

jstew:

XvMC Pro.

[19:12:50]

jstew:

VLD.

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simcop2387:

ah!

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dev:

kormoc: only problem is im a huge fan of flightsim2004, thats what i boot to windows for most of the time

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jstew:

I'm a big fan of XvMC. If I could get it to work perfectly.

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dev:

and i just started playing x3: the reunion, not sure if that works in cedega. havent checked

[19:13:14]

jstew:

:)

[19:13:18]

Juski:

you know what'd be _really_ (really) cool? a PVR motherboard with software programmable codecs

[19:13:27]

Juski:

(with linux drivers)

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mishehu:

woot, 0.20 is out. celebration time no? ;-)

[19:13:31]

jstew:

That would be cool

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simcop2387:

Juski: that'd be sweet

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kormoc:

dev, you should put it up for votes, they're really after stranger games getting on the polls :)

[19:13:48]

simcop2387:

Juski: i'd port snow to it once it became mature :)

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kormoc:

dev, steam's x3 does work, x2 doesn't

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dev:

kormoc: ahhh nice! i'll need to try that then

[19:14:25]

jstew:

But most chips are codec specific and thats how they are cheap and work great.

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dev:

err, i doubt my joystick works in linux though heh

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dev:

ms sidewinder forcefeedback2 heh

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kormoc:

dev, the loading videos were a bit.. flaky, so I just pounded esc and it came up fine

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jstew:

Now I'd just be happy with an mpeg2 and an mpeg4 decoder on the same chip.

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Juski:

jstew: the firm I work for uses software programmable codecs.. they're not actually that expensive

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kormoc:

dev, I've heard that the first ms usb force feedback was supported, not sure bout yours exactly tho

[19:15:34]

dev:

i'll have to look around

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jstew:

Are they efficient juski?

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kormoc:

Juski, gonna start a second business selling myth specific video cards? :P

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dev:

im sure i can get the stick itself working, forces, maybe/maybe not heh

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GreyFoxx:

Juski: then maybe just a video card/tvout card with one on it ? So it works on any motherboard ?

[19:16:02]

GreyFoxx:

That'd be nifty

[19:16:20]

jstew:

That would be very nifty indeed

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Juski:

kormoc: I could design the hardware & build em without too many problems. driver writing ain't a strong suit though

[19:17:11]

Juski:

think like TiVo but scalable :)

[19:17:23]

Juski:

and not locked-in either

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simcop2387:

well the backend and frontend are compiled

[19:18:05]

Juski:

can some kind soul please make me a screenshot of mytharchive in the screen where you select which 'theme' to make the disc with?

[19:18:34]

jstew:

Juski: If you build it they will cum

[19:18:38]

jstew:

err come...

[19:18:46]

Juski:

freudian ?

[19:18:51]

jstew:

lol

[19:18:57]

jstew:

naw, just being a smart ass

[19:19:06]

Juski:

not gonna happen.. I've got my hands full enough thanks

[19:19:39]

dev:

heh

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fryfrog:

er, what is mytharchive?

[19:19:47]

dev:

mythburn

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dev:

renamed

[19:19:49]

fryfrog:

ah

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Juski:

with a nice gui

[19:20:03]

fryfrog:

does the wiki release file work yet?

[19:20:06]

fryfrog:

I'VE BEEN

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fryfrog:

oops, caps

[19:20:13]

fryfrog:

i've been nhoping to read about 0.2

[19:20:41]

Juski:

get . to un-. the article ?

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jstew:

hehe, I'm reading the mailing list. Just a bunch of <insert ditro here> package beggars.

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simcop2387:

fryfrog: looking for the change log?

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fryfrog:

yeah, that is what i meant

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kslater:

hey, anyone have copious experience with dtv sat box serial communication?

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simcop2387:

http://rafb.net/paste/results/qW35sD22.html

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simcop2387:

fryfrog: there it is, i got it off the wiki during the slashdotting :)

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fryfrog:

thanks sir :)

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simcop2387:

no problem :)

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Juski:

ffs. "All I want to know is, is where is the win32 version? this would be SWEET running on WinME!

[19:23:04]

Juski:

(yes, obviously my karma is too good)"

[19:23:25]

simcop2387:

lol

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dev:

retard =p

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jstew:

hehe, I read that on /. too

[19:24:30]

dev:

looks like the windows port soc fell through

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Tcrichton:

Anyone know how to create video playlists for mythvideo?

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dev:

at least, from what i can tell from the mythtv-soc archives

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jstew:

I'm still looking for a windows 3.1 port

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simcop2387:

i want my dos 3.2 port already!!!! i only have 128k of ram!

[19:25:18]

dev:

640k out to be enough for anyone

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jstew:

I have a copy of dos 1.1 on my IBM PCjr.

[19:26:05]

jstew:

You know what the ONLY good thing was about DOS 1.1?

[19:26:08]

jstew:

The manual.

[19:26:25]

jstew:

The manual was about 300 pages thick and in a 3-ring binder.

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fryfrog:

Hughes HTL-HD HDTV DirecTV

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fryfrog:

one of the new supported channel changing boxes...

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fryfrog:

in the time i've been gone, has there been some way to get HD content from sat (directtv) recorded with myth?

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simcop2387:

depends on the receiver, i hear some have firewire outputs

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dverzolla:

I'm getting this error: http://pastebin.ca/167186

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dverzolla:

Can anyone help-me?

[19:28:56]

Juski:

looks like I'm gonna have to build 0.20 to get that mythical screenshot

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GreyFoxx:

Juski: What did you want a screenshot of ?

[19:29:17]

Juski:

for that I won't let you see my new video when it's finished, so there

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** Juski chucks toys out of the pram **

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simcop2387:

mythical screenshot?

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Juski:

GreyFoxx: mytharchive, in the screen where you select what format you'd like the disc...

[19:29:50]

Juski:

please

[19:29:50]

Juski:

:)

[19:29:53]

GreyFoxx:

k

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Juski:

I may aswell build 0.20 anyway.. dying to give it a test-whirl

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simcop2387:

sweet it worked :) i got mytharchive built via portage :)

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dverzolla:

I'm getting this error: http://pastebin.ca/167186 , can anyone help-me?

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Juski:

hang on a sec.. is 'record at any time on this channel' case sensitive?

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GreyFoxx:

http://www.phaze.org/mythtv/mytharc.jpg

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GreyFoxx:

that screen ?

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simcop2387:

i just got that going now :)

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GreyFoxx:

On that screen I can use left and right to pick various options

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AngryElf:

dverzolla: permissions, maybe?

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Juski:

GreyFoxx: not quite.. the one where you choose which 'theme' I think, sorry

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dverzolla:

AngryElf, No, I'm running mythbackend with root

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simcop2387:

i'll brb for some reason X is hogging way too much ram

[19:35:24]

Juski:

looks like mythtv is getting taste in its old age. EastEnders didn't record tonight cos of a conflict with a show which wasn't being recorded

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simcop2387:

.... thats odd

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Juski:

realised what was up.. simple

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Z_Morek:

hooray for digg and /. anihilating the wiki

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Juski:

to increase the WAF I've padded the show lengths by 2 minutes so there was indeed a conflict

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GreyFoxx:

Juski: Just rejfresh that image

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Juski:

thanks GreyFoxx ! :)

[19:37:21]

GreyFoxx:

I'm never gone this far into mytharchive before hehe

[19:37:39]

Juski:

it's only gonna appear for like 2 seconds in the video anyway

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simcop2387:

where's the stuff related to mythui in the settings for the frontend?

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GreyFoxx:

Setup->Appearance->Paint Engine

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GreyFoxx:

QT or OpenGL

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jstew:

openGL is faster and sexier I take it?

[19:40:09]

GreyFoxx:

Other than a fade effect on the main menus I don't think it has much difference at the moment ?

[19:40:19]

jstew:

Fade is sexy

[19:40:26]

jstew:

I'll give it a go and see how it is.

[19:40:47]

jstew:

Maybe HW transparency in the future?

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Juski:

maybe, once all the pesky pvr350 owners are long gone

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dev:

heh i turne on opengl and now the text is invisible when i start mythfrontend

[19:41:15]

dev:

nice

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Juski:

and epia owners..

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Juski:

dev: theme is missing base.xml

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** dev smacks gant upside the head **

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jstew:

They expect you to memorize it dev

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simcop2387:

opengl seems to not make X "steal" as much ram, with Qt it makes X take near 700MB of ram! (sounds like a problem with my qt version probably)

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Juski:

interesting, cos I find mythtv works just fine on a box with 512MB and no HDD (and no nfs swap either)

[19:42:35]

dev:

guess i wont be useing opengl if gant is messed up

[19:42:39]

dev:

because thats the theme the woman likes

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dev:

heh

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GreyFoxx:

So, when you updated mythtv you updated myththemes as well I assume ?

[19:43:09]

Juski:

dev: do what I do... dont give her a choice

[19:43:09]

dev:

yup, its from svn

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dev:

i checked out mythtv mythtv-themes and mythtv-plugins

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poonj:

are there fixes already1?

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GreyFoxx:

poonj: Yup I believe so

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GreyFoxx:

trac is down right now

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poonj:

wow, okay

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GreyFoxx:

waiting for the slashdotting to slowdown

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jstew:

Hmm... hopefully tonight I'll be pulling down .20. (wishful thinking)

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fryfrog:

looks like i need to try a QAM scan in .20 :)

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dev:

/usr/share/mythtv/themes/G.A.N.T./base.xml

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dev:

hrm

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dev:

guess thats not the prob

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simcop2387:

Juski: thats why i figured its got to be a problem with qt :)

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Juski:

dev: check the contents of base.xml against theme.xml to see if they use different filenames for the bakground images

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peppo:

any ivtv users in here that might want to assist in some audio problems with a PVR 150?

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simcop2387:

peppo: audio or no audio? ivtv driver version?

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Pryon:

kernel version too

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kormoc:

kernel version as well

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Pryon:

:-)

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Juski:

oh dear god now I'm in trouble. just VNC'd into the wrong box & stopped the recording my wife was watching

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simcop2387:

HAHA

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peppo:

no audio at all. 2.6.15, ivtv0.4.

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simcop2387:

and can you paste the output of dmesg to a pastebin too please?

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Juski:

I was going "damn thing.. where's the fsking desktop at?? I know.. ESCAPE!".. oops

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peppo:

dmesg output: http://rafb.net/paste/results/U13DpB48.html

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GreyFoxx:

Juski: lol Sweeet

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peppo:

mplayer reports: "AUDIO: 48000 Hz, 2 ch, s16le, 384.0 kbit/25.00% (ratio: 48000->192000)"

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dev:

base.xml and theme.xml seem to back for background image path and filename

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Juski:

glad we don't use livetv in this house.. I'd REALLY be in trouble then

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peppo:

" cx25840 0–0044: Audio muted: yes

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peppo:

"

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peppo:

how does one change that?

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jstew:

My wife loves livetv. I hate it

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Juski:

change your wife then

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dev:

wow, i mean they match

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GreyFoxx:

my wife hates it. if she can't skip commericials she gets pissy :)

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jstew:

hehe, I should. Live tv is the devil

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simcop2387:

GreyFoxx: heh my gf is like that too :)

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dev:

grefoxx: mine too :)

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jstew:

my wife loves the commercials

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Juski:

I've been trying to get my wife to use number key jumps rather than go ballistic on the ffw button

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Cardoe:

women... can't live with em... can't get sex without them

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GreyFoxx:

Anytime we are watching real live tv off the wire and acommercial comes on I see her reach for the remote and curse when she realizes it wont work :)

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Juski:

unless you're gay or willing to pay

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gardengnome:

Cardoe: homosexuality?

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peppo:

I unmuted the sound of cx25840, still no go.

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Cardoe:

Juski: number key?

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kormoc:

peppo, I thought you said a pvr 150?

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Juski:

Cardoe: press '3' then right arrow.. 3 min skip :)

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peppo:

kormoc, yep.

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kormoc:

cx25840 for a 150?

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Cardoe:

Juski: Oh. I have mine set to sticky

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peppo:

kormoc, no idea.

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jstew:

Wow, I learn something new everyday here

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Juski:

I like non-sticky keys.

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jstew:

I didn't know about the number key jumps

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Juski:

oh crap.. that could be taken the wrong way ^^^

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peppo:

kormoc, this ( http://www.mythtvtalk.com/forum/archive/o_t/t . . . o_input.html ) indicates it too

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jstew:

lol juski

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simcop2387:

dev: GANT works fine for me, must be your end

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peppo:

anyone here using a hauppage pvr 150 using 2.6.15, ivtv 0.4 on debian unstable?

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Juski:

dev: did you copy the themes across? checking em out prolly aint enough

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Juski:

peppo: ivtvctl is the command you need to unmute the audio.. but why it's muted in the 1st place would the mystery to solve

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peppo:

Juski, it's already unmuted. no sound.

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jstew:

Peppo, I had a similar problem

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jstew:

There is a bug in some of the tuners. You have to work around it.

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jstew:

what tuner type do you have peppo?

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Juski:

not... a samsung tuner is it? oh the pain, the pain...

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peppo:

jstew, no idea?

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jstew:

Is it an LG tuner without the FM?

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peppo:

a hauppage wintv pvr 150card.

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peppo:

absolutely no idea beside that

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Pryon:

note that it looks like the 25840 firmware didn't load

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peppo:

cx25840 0–0044: Detected audio standard: not defined.

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jstew:

I emailed hans (the ivtv maintainer) abotu my tuner and he did not incorporate the tuner number into the "affected tuner with the bug" code.

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peppo:

cx25840 0–0044: Detected audio mode: mono

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dev:

yeah i'll probably just redownload the themes and extract

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jstew:

Aer you comfortable with compiling ivtv from the source peppo?

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peppo:

jstew, sure.

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peppo:

but I'm on 2.6.15

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peppo:

using ingo molnar's preempt patches, so...

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jstew:

drop me an email at jason.m.stewart@gmail.com and I'll get back to you tonight with the fix. I forget where to change the code and I have a patch sitting on my drive at home anyway.

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peppo:

unfortunately I'm going to bed soon. work early tomorrow

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peppo:

I'll just return this hardware :/

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jstew:

Yeah... Probably better.

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jstew:

I think it does not affect the non-MCE versions.

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jstew:

But I may be wrong.

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peppo:

this is not a MCE version

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peppo:

bah, all the work in mailing this shit back

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peppo:

blah, I hate hardware

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Pryon:

peppo: stupid question. Are you using the "recommended" firmware?

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peppo:

Pryon, I was

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peppo:

then I tried the latest

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Pryon:

ok

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jstew:

I spent countless hours trying to find the problem.

[20:04:03]

jstew:

I was seriously pissed when Ifound out it was a hardware bug

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Juski:

bindings_perl.. what witchcraft is this?

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peppo:

jstew, which specific chip does it affect

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** stuarta laughs at Juski **

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Juski:

don't remember reading about that in the changelog

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** peppo will open his box **

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jstew:

You can read about it in the ivtv changelog. I do not recall, it was about 3 months ago...

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peppo:

chip is hidden

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peppo:

cna't check

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stuarta:

Juski: you can blame xris for that...

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simcop2387:

ok i've got mythtv 0.20 setup and working :) now how do i use mytharchive

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peppo:

jstew, should I try recent kernel + new ivtv?

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Juski:

stuarta: perl bindings? the mind is boggled, truly

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simcop2387:

ah i see now

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jstew:

Peppo: If you recompile look for something like pvr_150_workaround then change it to 1 underneath the case statment where it looks at different tuner types to try to set that value. I do not remember the file that it is in so you'll have to grep for it.

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peppo:

so it's not commited to any recent version?

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** Pryon is running a pvr150MCE using 0.7 with no problems **

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jstew:

It is, just not with *some* tuner types (mine is tuner type 39).

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peppo:

I'm on 0.4

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Pryon:

right, but you said "recent version"

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peppo:

I've only tried tuner=50

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jstew:

It's been committed since 0.4

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peppo:

should I try anything else?

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Juski:

ahhhh.. looks interesting :)

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jstew:

Pyron, it's a problem in only a minority of the cards. Seems to be hit and miss as to who's affected by it.

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jstew:

Well you could try returning the card and hope you get one that doesn't have the bug peppo, which is what I would haev done had I not bought it from someone second hand.

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peppo:

even if I do modprobe ivtv tuner=39 I get "tuner: type set to 50 (TCL 2002N) by ivtv i2c driver #0" in dmesg.

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peppo:

jstew, I ordered it online

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peppo:

jstew, the hassle of it all... :(

[20:11:44]

jstew:

yeah, changing the tuner type will *not* work because the bug is in the hardware, not the software.

[20:12:02]

jstew:

it sucks peppo.

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jstew:

Thats why I got rid of my pvr-150. Crappy vid quality too.

[20:12:26]

peppo:

I'll just try 2.6.16

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peppo:

er 2.6.17

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peppo:

and a newer ivtv

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simcop2387:

well i guess i'm attempting to burn my first mytharchive dvd

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peppo:

I can't afford anything else

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kormoc:

jstew, the pvr 150's I've seen have had wonder quality, I haven't heard anyone really complain bout their 150's quality before

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peppo:

jstew, I forget — in which version was the fix?

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jstew:

peppo, 0.4 should have the fix.

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D-side:

i think the consensus is the 150s look better than the 250s and 350s even, no?

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xris:

Juski: they're not stable/finished yet

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jstew:

Might want to upgrade to the latest just to be sure

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peppo:

jstew, I'm already using 0.4...

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Juski:

xris: still interesting all the same though :)

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peppo:

rebooting with 2.6.17, then

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jstew:

Really kormoc? Maybe it was because I'm doing OTA and not cable with it.

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simcop2387:

i had much better luck with 0.6 ivtv

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xris:

Juski: I'm sick of needing specific versions of nuvexport for each mythtv release.

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xris:

easier to abstract the mythtv-specific portions into mythtv itself

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Juski:

xris: fair comment. it was sort of confusing for 'mere mortals' out there too

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Juski:

who's moaning about the pvr150 looking crap? I've no complaints about it over its svideo input. never tried the tuner though I must confess

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xris:

speaking of which, I should bump the version of nuvexport

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jstew:

Juski, It was me... and I wasn't moaning. :)

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Juski:

what's better quality than a pvr card nd works in linux?

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opello:

beaming the show into your mind

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jstew:

Nothing comparable that I've used juski. I have an ATSC card now, so I'm spoiled by that. :)

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peppo:

is it OK to use ivtv 0.7, btw?

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simcop2387:

damn what did i miss for mytharchive...

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Juski:

ahhh yes... ATSC/DVB... almost as good as the old socapex connector on the back of the head thing

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janneg:

peppo: if you use a 2.6.17 kernel

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jstew:

yeah it's OK peppo

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peppo:

yup 2.6.17

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peppo:

still no sound.

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peppo:

using .17 and ivtv0.7

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peppo:

tuner=50

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peppo:

image, but silence.

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** peppo looks at source **

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jstew:

you probably have a tuner that is not in the big case statement for the pvr_150 workaround then

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janneg:

mythtv supports even the unreleased ivtv 0.8 and will support the 2.6.19 in kernel driver

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peppo:

jstew, what was the stuff to grep for?

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simcop2387:

peppo: try turning off your computer and leaving it for 60 seconds, that usually fixes my pvr150 problems

[20:26:20]

simcop2387:

it makes very little sense i know, but it works

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peppo:

simcop2387, ever had this issue, though?

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Juski:

whatever happenned to the random(ish) quotes in mythweb anyway?

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peppo:

simcop2387, I rebooted to windows: got a bunch of sound there

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_mac:

Hi. I compiled mythtv-0.20. I have a xvmc barebone, which used to work fine with 0.19. Now, when I view a recording the screen is just blank.. anything I am missing?

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jstew:

pvr_150_workaround peppo

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peppo:

jstew, itv->pvr150_workaround = 1;

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peppo:

break;

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peppo:

in ivtv-driver.c?

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peppo:

http://rafb.net/paste/results/dz4HCq61.html

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jstew:

yup. Set that to 1 underneath the case then recompile

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peppo:

it already is

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jstew:

Not by default it's not.

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peppo:

on here it is

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peppo:

ivtv-source0.7 from http://www.hellion.org.uk/debian sid main

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jstew:

I doubt it. I remember looking at the source.

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peppo:

I've not touched it

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jstew:

Even after the closing bracket of the switch statement?

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peppo:

I can't read code

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opello:

hrm, is the avermedia pvr 150 the same as the hauppauge?

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simcop2387:

sweet the dvd player is much better in 0.20, MUCH better

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peppo:

but here's a large chunk: http://rafb.net/paste/results/2G3aVK71.html

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simcop2387:

peppo: yea i've had that problem before

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peppo:

simcop2387, weird!

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jstew:

Or just look up until you see switch() then set itv->pvr150_workaround = 1; above that.

[20:30:12]

simcop2387:

peppo: yea it never makes sense to me but it works!

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jstew:

that's messy but it will get you the intended results peppo.

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peppo:

insert "itv->pvr150_workaround = 1" above the "switch (tv.tuner_hauppauge_model) {" line?

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jstew:

see where it says: switch (tv.tuner_hauppauge_model) {?

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jstew:

yup.

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jstew:

And that forces the audio standard...

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peppo:

okay, changing, and doing module-assistant -f auto-install ivtv0.7

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peppo:

jstew, same issue.

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jstew:

Arrgh.

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peppo:

cx25840 4–0044: Audio muted: yes

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peppo:

it's saying that again

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jstew:

You tried rebooting?

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peppo:

(from (22:33:33) root@senap:~# ivtvctl --log-status|grep mute

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peppo:

)

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jstew:

I could never get it to work unless I rebooted.

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jstew:

after changing that bit of code that is.

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peppo:

oki

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peppo:

trying that

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jasta:

hmm, what's this new mythui business?

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kormoc:

opello, Aye, it is just a rebranded 150

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Juski:

it's a ui, only mythical

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opello:

kormoc: thanks

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peppo:

jstew, no go.

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peppo:

simcop2387, still no sound after shutting off and waiting 1m+

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stuarta:

damn EIT monkeys. next mondays doctor who episode is subtitled "The Parting of the ways"

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peppo:

jstew, I get some random clicking in both channels...

[20:44:21]

stuarta:

not "the parting of ways"

[20:45:22]

janneg:

the duplicate matching should probably case insensitive

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gardengnome:

stuarta: sue?

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jstew:

Hmm... sorry to ehar that peppo.

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** stuarta looks for his L.A.R.T (for the EIT monkeys) **

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peppo:

which firmware should I try with pvr150, 2.6.17 and ivtv0.7?

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jstew:

Ivtv wiki will list the reccommended

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stuarta:

janneg: they left out the 2nd the

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janneg:

stuarta: don't watch it

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stuarta:

plus the db is case insensitive.

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peppo:

just to be sure... audio should be heard when playing the mpeg stream with mplayer right? it plays audio from other files...

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jstew:

Well sorry to hear that I could not help you out peppo

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stuarta:

overrides have uses :)

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peppo:

jstew, it's okay

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peppo:

thanks for your help

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janneg:

missed the missing 'the'

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gardengnome:

janneg: at least you didn't miss you missed it.

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stuarta:

now if we can just make the subtitle as fuzzy as our eyes, all will be well :)

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stuarta:

subtitle matching even

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janneg:

yeah, A.I. for mythtv

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stuarta:

then it'll start recording random crap cause it's vaguely like other stuff....

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janneg:

ah, just minor bugs

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RaYmAn-Bx:

anyone know or have any experiences with Alfaview TVs..Preferably in relation to mythtv? small-ish brand

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peppo:

jstew, hm, it seems the ivtv-driver.c wasn't saved somehow

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peppo:

jstew, what was that line again?

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peppo:

ivt=pvr150_workaround=1?

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peppo:

anyone have a long scrollback?

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simcop2387:

peppo: not sure then, must be a different problem than i am used to

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peppo:

darn

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opello:

peppo: of anything in particular?

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peppo:

I asked jstew about what line to add to ivtv-driver.c

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peppo:

something like 10–15 minutes ago

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kormoc:

peppo, the channel is logged

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poonj:

man

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kormoc:

!notice

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MythLogBot:

This channel (#mythtv-users) is logged — http://mythtv.beirdo.ca/ircLog/channel/1

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kormoc:

http://mythtv.beirdo.ca/ircLog/channel/1

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poonj:

0.20 looks like an awesome upgrade

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opello:

or that :)

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poonj:

I should install it on this computer now

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poonj:

heh

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opello:

opello.org/~opello/peppo.txt last 2000 lines as of a moment ago

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peppo:

opello, thanks!

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Juski:

ahh well. my cunning plan to do something different with my theme didn't work. just have to wait til more of mythui is done

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mchou:

so does opengl menus work well in myth?

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Juski:

if you like fades they're spiffy.

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stuarta:

mchou: depends on your driver suppor

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stuarta:

*requires* hardware & driver support, otherwise paint drys faster

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mchou:

I meant of course nvidia

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Juski:

be interesting to see how well the gl stuff works on my epia box

[21:10:49]

Juski:

though at a push I can always get a PCI nvidia card. oh yay

[21:11:31]

sigger:

anyone use udev to keep multiple usb drives straight?

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kormoc:

sigger, I have before, aye

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kormoc:

sigger, I think I used this: http://www.crazysquirrel.com/computing/debian/udev.jspx

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kormoc:

sigger, there's links at the bottom which were helpful

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sigger:

kormoc: thanks. not much detail in the article, but will read links

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peppo:

v

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** xris passes peppo some vowels. **

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peppo:

thanks :)

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peppo:

well, I've mailed ivtv-users an as detailed account of my audio issues as possible, hopefully someone there can help me

[21:25:44]

afrosheen:

wow the new mythtv has a nice feature list

[21:25:59]

afrosheen:

I wonder what the opengl stuff will do for the gui in the future

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Juski:

hopefully not make themers go crazy with eye-busting animations :)

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afrosheen:

what themers ;)

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Juski:

actually.. hopefully stave off the threat of currently 'cool' (other) meeja apps

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afrosheen:

I just want some nice transparency-related stuff in some sections

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Juski:

which sections?

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Juski:

the main menu? so you can return to the menus & see video / visuals in the background? ;-)

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afrosheen:

no, just adding fade effects on the OSD and other places where menus pop in and out

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Juski:

it's all layered anyway

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Juski:

all the elements have been on their own 'plane' (kind of) for ages

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ebil:

does anyone here use mythweb?

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afrosheen:

yeah I realize that but opengl brings some new opportunities for beauty

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Juski:

afrosheen: and time consuming animations...

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kormoc:

ebil, yes, a lot of us do

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Roelie:

uh, is a noob "why does my make fail, which is probably a general question rather than a mythtv question" OK?

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brendan_:

hi, i've been using mythtv for about a year with a bttv tuner card, however, i have digital cable(from time warner, nh). Is there a tv tuner that will let me use digital calble from time warner?

[21:32:38]

ebil:

cool, I'm having a problem, I think it may be due to file size, I have 2 recordings (it's a test box) 1 is a 30 minute 1.1GB episode of Super Milk Chan

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ebil:

the other is a 2.2GB 1Hr episode of mythbusters

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afrosheen:

brendan_: nope

[21:33:01]

afrosheen:

brendan_: however, if your digital box has firewire out, you can watch *unencrypted* channels

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ebil:

I can stream the milk chan episode just fine (well, fine is relative when dealing with 1GB files) but the mythbusters gives me a forbidden error

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ebil:

the perms are the same on each file

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ebil:

exactly the same. does apache refuse to deal with files over 2GB?

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afrosheen:

brendan_: do you have HD or a regular tv

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kormoc:

ebil, yes, it does

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brendan_:

afrosheen, regular tv

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ebil:

kormoc: cool, then I was right. any way around that?

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ebil:

besides a big stick?

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kormoc:

ebil, you can patch apache to deal with larger files, google can help out with that

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afrosheen:

brendan_: ok should be easy then

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ebil:

kormoc: thanks a ton

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** Roelie is just gonna paste output from make, you can kick me for flooding if nobody has a quick&dirty fix **

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** Juski suddenly feels glad no winamp skinners have done mythtv themes yet **

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Roelie:

ratecontrol.c: In function âget_qscaleâ:

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Roelie:

ratecontrol.c:255: internal compiler error: Segmentation fault

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Roelie:

Please submit a full bug report,

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Roelie:

with preprocessed source if appropriate.

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Roelie:

See <URL:http://gcc.gnu.org/bugs.html> for instructions.

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afrosheen:

Roelie: NOOOO

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Roelie:

For Debian GNU/Linux specific bug reporting instructions,

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brendan_:

afrosheen, how do i know what channels are encrypted?

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Roelie:

see <URL:file:///usr/share/doc/gcc-4.0/README.Bugs>.

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Roelie:

make[2]: *** [ratecontrol.o] Error 1

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Roelie:

make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/dollard/mythtv-0.20/libs/libavcodec'

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Roelie:

make[1]: *** [sub-libavcodec] Error 2

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afrosheen:

dammit this is what pastebin.ca is for

[21:35:01]

Roelie:

make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/dollard/mythtv-0.20/libs'

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Roelie:

heh, too late.

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stuarta:

Roelie: use a pastebin!!!!!!!

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Juski:

brendan_: most if not all premium channels

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kormoc:

Roelie, please don't ever do that again...

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Roelie:

I will google for what that is this instance.

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stuarta:

or we will shoot

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afrosheen:

brendan_: ok as I was saying before I was rudely flooded

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stuarta:

Roelie: it's in the topic

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kormoc:

Roelie, a internal fault like that is usually hardware issues or bad software, not myth related at all

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afrosheen:

brendan_: all you need is your standard tuner card..hauppauge 150 for example..and you run the digital box rf out to your tuner card input

[21:36:31]

afrosheen:

brendan_: then you need an irblaster and some magic to get your mythbox to issue channel change commands to your cable box

[21:36:48]

Roelie:

stuarta: yeah, I've made a habit of asking before checking the topic, one of my many vices.

[21:36:53]

afrosheen:

brendan_: since you're not watching HD, encryption is nothing to even consider

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brendan_:

afrosheen, ok, i was hoping to avoid that:)

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afrosheen:

brendan_: so yeah, what you're trying to do is heavily documented, the knoppmyth wiki probably outlines it nicely

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afrosheen:

the most trouble you will have is getting the irblaster to change channels on the cable box, but once it's done, it's done forever

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Roelie:

kormoc: I'm guessing "need to change compiler stuff" since mythtv 0.18 (from ubuntu dapper package) works just fine

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kormoc:

Roelie, not always. I had one computer that has a damnaged cpu. it dies with that error once out of ever say 40 compiles or so, I just retry and it works fine

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Juski:

right that's make making the plugins

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Juski:

bedtime. g'night

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** stuarta waves **

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Roelie:

Retrying has officially been tried & failed

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afrosheen:

brendan_: did that answer your questions?

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brendan_:

afrosheen, yea, thanks

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stuarta:

Roelie: tried and apt-get dist-upgrade

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stuarta:

s/tried/try/

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kormoc:

Roelie, well, you should follow the instructions, and send in a bug report to the gcc team, it's not really a myth issue

[21:41:59]

Roelie:

not yet, though it's an install from 3 days ago max

[21:42:07]

barry253:

hi all – relative noob here...gonna lurk for a while before bugging people with questions :-)

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brendan_:

anyone know when the ubuntu packages for 0.20 will be available?

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barry253:

^^ that was one of them

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stuarta:

brendan_: when someone builds them

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DrMitch:

why not make it yourself?

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kormoc:

likely a month before 0.21 comes out

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Roelie:

kormoc: I'll mess around some more, thanks.

[21:42:54]

stuarta:

mwahahahaha

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afrosheen:

brendan_: here's some casual reading for you http://knoppmythwiki.org/index.php?page=ConnectToDigitalBox

[21:43:13]

DrMitch:

ubuntu users are such lazy pieces of poo

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kormoc:

g'luck Roelie

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Roelie:

yup.

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afrosheen:

brendan_: what kind of box do you have anyway

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xris:

kormoc: no, that'll be .19

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brendan_:

afrosheen, athalon 1600 runnin ebuntu edgy

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kormoc:

did 0.19 ever get released stable on ubuntu?

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xris:

DrMitch: is that how you really feel about *most* of the mythtv devs?

[21:44:01]

stuarta:

don't think so...

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brendan_:

no, but there are packages available on a 3rd party repo

[21:44:25]

afrosheen:

brendan_: uh your cable box, what kind

[21:44:38]

brendan_:

afrosheen, oooh, i don't know

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afrosheen:

brendan_: are you not at home?

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brendan_:

afrosheen, not now

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** barry253 wants to ask a question about upgrading to .20 but doesn't want to get hammered for being a noob (AND for running ubuntu, which apparently makes me lazy) **

[21:45:42]

afrosheen:

brendan_: when you get home you can dig into it further..once you know your cable box the rest gets easier, model # should be on the bottom or back of the unit

[21:45:49]

brendan_:

afrosheen, i'm not sure it will work, because i'l have to purchase a seccond cable box

[21:46:10]

Roelie:

barry253: I'm doing the same thing (and failing), what's your problem?

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brendan_:

afrosheen, that my be expensive

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kormoc:

barry253, honestly, you're more likely to get hammered about dancing around the questions rather then just asking them...

[21:46:13]

afrosheen:

purchase? naw...tell them directv wants to give you 4 boxes, and you just want one more :)

[21:46:26]

afrosheen:

the cable company will hand you a few

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brendan_:

afrosheen, ok, that would work:)

[21:46:58]

afrosheen:

my hd dvr from comcast/now time warner is like $14 a month extra, non-dvr was $5 per month

[21:47:26]

barry253:

ok, i'll stop then – i have 0.19 working well with the mod to transcode to flash and stream via mythweb...will i lose that functionality when i upgrade? it's really just a user job and some editing of mythweb's php files

[21:47:47]

kormoc:

barry253, to flash? got a link handy?

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afrosheen:

barry253: if it's custom I imagine you'll lose it

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xris:

barry253: yes, it will break

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afrosheen:

kormoc: I know right, that sounds cool

[21:48:06]

xris:

mythweb had some major code layout changes

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barry253:

here you go: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Stream_m . . . _flash_video

[21:48:08]

brendan_:

hmm, its actually farly anoying, i get almost everything through standard cable, but there are a fiew channels that are only digital

[21:48:27]

kormoc:

afrosheen, it's on mythweb's future features, didn't know someone already did it tho

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barry253:

xris, afrosheen: meaning that it could be put back in manually, or it probably won't work at all?

[21:49:25]

xris:

barry253: should just need to work around some filename changes.

[21:49:45]

xris:

and I'll see what I can do about getting some of that merged into the official tree. I planned to do that for .21, anyway.

[21:49:47]

barry253:

ah gotcha, thanks. i think i can handle that

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** jams notices that for mythfrontend -G is not case sensitive but -O is **

[21:50:10]

afrosheen:

do I submit feature requests to #mythtv?

[21:50:25]

barry253:

cool. fyi, the flvtool2 tool takes forever on large files – maybe seek an alternative for the official tree

[21:50:42]

Cardoe:

barry253: is there one?

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kormoc:

afrosheen, no, you don't, add to the wiki feature request page

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afrosheen:

ok will do

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afrosheen:

link?

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barry253:

cardoe: not sure

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ebil:

kormoc: thanks, I found the problem, but I don't think I can fix it, since it appears that it might be PHP at fault for the lack of large file support... I do appreciate everything. I'll figure the rest out in time

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Ediehow:

upgraded to .20

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Ediehow:

mythweb has a problem now

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Ediehow:

Fatal Error at /var/www/html/mythweb/includes/objects/Database_Query_mysql.php, line 73:

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Ediehow:

SQL Error: Column 'parentid' cannot be null [#1048]

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fatbrain:

I get alot of "No error type from QSqlError? Strange..." when trying to start mythtv, (mysql5.x, mythtv 0.20, debian) I've setup the database/mythtv as instruced in the install-how-to. Anyone have a idea on what may be wrong?

[21:53:23]

Captain_Murdoch:

jams: -O just forces a setting into the settings cache so Myth uses that instead of what is in the DB so it has to match exactly what would be in the settings table in the DB.

[21:53:33]

GreyFoxx:

Ediehow: It's a known issue

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GreyFoxx:

and is fixed in a -fixes branch.

[21:53:57]

GreyFoxx:

I think Isaac is gonna release and updated mythplugins later today

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Cardoe:

did anyone actually test prior to releasing?

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GreyFoxx:

Those that did, didn't have the problem :)

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Cardoe:

the ones that have been incrementally updating to SVN every week

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Cardoe:

and fixing problems as they cropped up

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Dibblah:

Ugh. Switching back down to single CPU is painful :(

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jams:

Captain_Murdoch- right, it was more or less just an observation. Just found it odd that -G would return values for something that -O didnt like.

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jams:

afterall they both grab the info from the database

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GreyFoxx:

jams: That's ust a mysql thing. mysql's matching is not case sensitive whereas when we match the variables overridden the match is case sensitive

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jams:

ah that makes sense

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simcop2387:

ok lets test mytharchive again, it doesn't work if you don't have a blank dvd in the drive

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** jams did not know that mysql was not case sensitive **

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Cardoe:

GreyFoxx: SQL is not case sensitive.

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GreyFoxx:

Seems to me Oracle was last I used it.I remember something about that biting me in a script thatworked under Mysql but not Oracle

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GreyFoxx:

Thankfully I don't have to deal with Oracle anymore

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GreyFoxx:

cept on one machine

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jams:

db2 is also case sensitive

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Dibblah:

Cardoe: Not necessarily.

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simcop2387:

case sensitive on the commands or fields/tables?

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Dibblah:

It's possible for an SQL implementation to be case sensitive – MSSQL for example has that option.

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ricardol:

Hi everyone, can someone tell me if mythtv works with PALN standard with Hauppauge gards?

[22:03:13]

jams:

simcop2387- fields/tables

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afrosheen:

what's PALN, I know ntsc..and I know pal..

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Dibblah:

Like PAL-I, but not.

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stuarta:

ricardol: if you can get the card to work under linux, sure...

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simcop2387:

variations on the PAL standard, slightly different frequency tables typically, sometimes more dramatic

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ricardol:

stuarta: you make it sound like i could get into a lot of trouble

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Dibblah:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Broadcast_television_system

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stuarta:

it's down to if you can get it running under linux.

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stuarta:

generally, if it can be accessed via the dvb or v4l api's myth can use it...

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afrosheen:

ricardol: google it and see what you find out

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ricardol:

google hauppage under linux?

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stuarta:

somebody has to try it :)

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afrosheen:

no the specific card and standard

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Dibblah:

The worst that could happen is it doesn't work.

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ricardol:

ok

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afrosheen:

yeah either it'll work or it won't, it won't cause a rift in the time space continuum if it fails

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Dibblah:

If you bought the card locally and it's supported under Linux, you'll be OK.

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ricardol:

yes, but i thought that since these are fairly popular cards, i could find some experience about using theme in mythtv

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Dibblah:

Depends on the card.

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Dibblah:

"Hauppauge" covers many, many sins.

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ricardol:

i am talking about pvr 250, 350 and 500

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afrosheen:

and 150, don't forget that shrimp

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Dibblah:

Myth works fine with the PVR x50.

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ricardol:

ok...last question...is there any experience with multi card backends? like 4 channels?

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Dibblah:

Yup.

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afrosheen:

yep

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afrosheen:

a pair of 500's will land you that

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Dibblah:

I have 5 cards in 1 backend.

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simcop2387:

well mytharchive seems to be working now :)

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ricardol:

that works allright? ( whit the same cards

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Dibblah:

(4 DVB-s, 1 DVB-t)

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afrosheen:

yep

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Darby:

Damn, Dibblah, how much storage do you have?

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afrosheen:

you can mix and match, throw in some OTA hd cards, whatever...

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mactenchi:

what on earth do you need 5 cards for?

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afrosheen:

mactenchi: hey, he could have 5 frontends

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Dibblah:

... Multiple frontends.

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ricardol:

and some of you use a multicard multibackend system?

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janneg:

yes

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afrosheen:

ricardol: is this for a columbian druglord compound or something

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ricardol:

hehehe

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Dibblah:

And because the GF really, really doesn't understand "can't watch TV now"

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ricardol:

n

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afrosheen:

coz that'd be cool

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ricardol:

i am experimenting with this

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mactenchi:

ah, i see. was trying to think of any time i'd want to record 5 shows simultaneously :)

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afrosheen:

'put it on the cnn, i want to see where the helicopters are'

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Dibblah:

Unfortunately, PIP only does 1 overlay :(

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Dibblah:

;)

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Dibblah:

Apparently, they were too close.

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dfgh:

Want to use my slowest system for Myth. What's slower: amd athl. xp 2800+ or intel p4, 2.4ghz?

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Dibblah:

About the same.

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barry253:

they're probably about the same speed

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stuarta:

pick the one that distributes it's interrupts the best

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dfgh:

Thanks

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janneg:

Dibblah: do you use PiP? can you confirm that the small picture is not correctly scaled?

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stuarta:

janneg: it's a bit wide last I checked.

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Dibblah:

Personally, I wouldn't recommend either if you're going to be running it continually. They're both electricity hogs.

[22:13:35]

Dibblah:

I don't really USE PiP, no – I'm not actually all that interested in 'live'.

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Zider:

hm, how can I get the text in mythvideo and settings to be bigger? the "text zize" doesn't affect it..

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wylie:

something wrong with svn today?

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gardengnome:

Juski: is the forum down?

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Anduin:

wylie: 0.20 release, everything is slow

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janneg:

stuarta: I've seen different effects. to narrow and something like 3:1

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wylie:

svn list

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wylie:

svn: PROPFIND request failed on '/svn/trunk/mythtv'

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wylie:

svn: PROPFIND of '/svn/trunk/mythtv': could not connect to server (http://svn.mythtv.org)

[22:14:27]

wylie:

ah, makes sense

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stuarta:

wylie: it's slashdotted

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janneg:

wylie: svn and trac are down

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_mac:

Hi. I have a xvmc-via chipset. When I select it in tv playback settings, I jus get a black screen. It worked fine in 0.19. Anything I can do to debug it?

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Dibblah:

Look at the logs? ;)

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Dibblah:

_mac: Combined frontend / backend on one machine?

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barry253:

any reason why the volume control would have no effect? i see the volume OSD change but the actual volume does not change

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_mac:

Dibblah: yes, its a 1ghz barebone .. worked fine in 0.19

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Dibblah:

PVRx50?

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_mac:

pvrusb2

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Dibblah:

Is this just with livetv?

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_mac:

Recording too

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_mac:

Tried old and new recordings

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kormoc:

barry253, you don't have it pointed at the right mixer

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_mac:

Records fine, tested it on my regular linux box (frontend)

[22:18:11]

_mac:

Compiled 0.20 from source with the approriate options

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barry253:

ah...okay...that's in mythtv-setup, i presume?

[22:18:27]

kormoc:

_mac, and if you disable xvmc is works?

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Dibblah:

_mac: Anything in the frontend log? (Pastebin it)

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_mac:

kormoc: I can switch to "normal xvmc" or what it is called, and it works fine, but the cpu cant handle it

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_mac:

On it

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barry253:

nevermind, got it – thanks

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_mac:

Oh, there is sound

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_mac:

Ok, trying pastebin

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_mac:

http://pastebin.ca/167374

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barry253:

what should my mixer be set to?

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pushpop:

Can you run .19 on the backend machine and .20 on a seperate frontend?

[22:23:22]

Dibblah:

No.

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_mac:

Different protocol versions

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_mac:

Dibblah: anything on the log

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_mac:

?

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pushpop:

o true.

[22:24:14]

Dibblah:

pushpop: And when you try, Baby Jesus has to kill a puppy.

[22:24:23]

Dibblah:

Still looking.

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_mac:

k

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Zider:

ahh I found it.. it's the dpi that affects text size.. but it seems to be read all wrong..

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Dibblah:

_mac: What's your native resolution set to?

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_mac:

let me look up

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mchou:

lol. I'm reading mythtv entry on /. and some MSFT MCE shill is there saying MCE is superior than myth

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k-man_:

with udev, where do usb_remotes appear in /dev?

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_mac:

480x480

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mchou:

I'm surprised that dude didnt get flamed to death

[22:27:22]

Zider:

flame is lame :P

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stuarta:

some people will always take bling over goodness

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mchou:

how ppl can even compare mce to myth is beyond me

[22:28:02]

Dibblah:

MCE _is_ superior to Myth. People are Windows-comfortable. Companies write Windows drivers....

[22:28:13]

mchou:

stuarta: bling? there is no bling to MCE

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Dibblah:

I'd like to say it's getting better. But it's not.

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barry253:

any help on the mixer? or am i missing something really obvious?

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Dibblah:

(This is not myth's fault – It's all about the hardware manufacturers)

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stuarta:

i though bling was it's major feature :)

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mchou:

Dibblah: lol. those same companies make sure that windows drivers cannot use AQM :)

[22:29:14]

mchou:

QAM*

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_mac:

I dont think its resolution related

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mchou:

Dibblah: myth tunes in to clear qam. There is at most 2 windos drivers that allow QAM tuning

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mchou:

windows*

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mchou:

Dibblah: so explain to me once again that constitutes "superiority"

[22:30:43]

Dibblah:

Uhuh... And that's something that the media companies wouldn't get upset about them advertising.

[22:30:56]

Dibblah:

Because it's mostly plug and play.

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mchou:

Dibblah: huh??

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mchou:

plug and play you ass is what it is

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mchou:

your*

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Zider:

what's widescreen usually called? 16:10 orsomething, right?

[22:31:25]

barry253:

16:9

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barry253:

16 : 9

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Zider:

ah

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Dibblah:

mchou: You either need a better keyboard or less alcohol ;)

[22:31:49]

mchou:

Dibblah: explain to me how crippled drivers that doesnt tune in QAM is "plug and play"

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Dibblah:

_mac: Can you have a look in your X log?

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_mac:

Dibblah: oh you mean the ACTUAL screen resolution?

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_mac:

not the capture res

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Dibblah:

_mac: Yes.

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mchou:

Dibblah: and I havent even moved up to the crappy MCE OS stack yet.....

[22:32:58]

_mac:

Ohh. Hold on.

[22:33:13]

Dibblah:

I'm not saying MCE is _good_.

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Zider:

hmm, mythtv dpi sensing seems to be totally whacked.. I either get tiny text or HUGE text..

[22:33:29]

_mac:

720x576 is the screen resolution, ts tv out

[22:33:50]

mchou:

Dibblah: no, but you did say MCE was better than myth, ostensibly because companies write windows drivers

[22:33:51]

Dibblah:

I'm saying MCE is in a better position due to MSs already having "acceptable to the majority" drivers.

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Dibblah:

_mac: And anything in your X log?

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mchou:

Dibblah: haha!! that's why when you go on avsforums ppl keep on asking whether MCE supports QAM, and when they get no for an answer, they move to something that does

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_mac:

(II) VIA(0): [XvMC] Registering viaXvMC.

[22:35:37]

_mac:

(II) VIA(0): [XvMC] Initialized XvMC extension.

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Dibblah:

... And support for QAM is good for what, exactly?

[22:35:48]

Dibblah:

Replacing your cable box?

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_mac:

Nothing that sounds bad. I havent restarted the X server since updating mythtv

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Dibblah:

Or is it used for OTA too?

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mchou:

Dibblah: lol. If you need to ask you clearly have no idea what you're talking about

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_mac:

What debug switch do I need to make to get more output from mythfrontend?

[22:36:56]

Dibblah:

... Not living in the US... You'd be right :P

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Dibblah:

_mac: -v all,nodatabase

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mchou:

Dibblah: I suspect you're the MSFT shill who wrote that on /.

[22:37:25]

Dibblah:

mchou: Uh... Huh.

[22:38:07]

Dibblah:

And I suspect that I really need to go to bed.

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barry253:

can anyone give me a little more help with my volume prob?

[22:38:47]

barry253:

i realize that i'm not pointing at the right mixer – how do i know what to change it to?

[22:40:18]

Dibblah:

mchou: Apologies if I've misspoken. MCE is 'good enough' for it's target audience. That's pretty far (at the moment) from the Myth target audience.

[22:42:24]

_mac:

I don't see anything more relevant in the detailed log :/

[22:47:14]

mchou:

Dibblah: lol. If MCE is "good enough" I suggest you go to avsforum.com and read why so many ppl are ditching it

[22:47:35]

mchou:

Dibblah: or at the minimum read the complaints re MCE

[22:48:11]

mchou:

Dibblah: like why a analogue tuner is a requirement even if you only intend to use HDTV

[22:49:02]

Dibblah:

Okay. Yes. Fine.

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mchou:

and there is a maximum upper limit of 3 "tuners".....

[22:49:34]

mchou:

which has nothing to do with HW

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mchou:

Dibblah: i's clear to me that you've never even tried MCE to be in a position to declare MCE "superior"

[22:51:00]

mchou:

it's*

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Dibblah:

mchou: If I was a rabid MCE supporter, why exactly would I be submitting Myth patches?

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mchou:

Dibblah: I didnt say you were a rabid MCE supporter

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Dibblah:

I'm afraid I have to say that you're play-acting the rabid Myth supporter quite well, however.

[22:52:27]

mchou:

Dibblah: tht's complete BS

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mchou:

athat*

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mchou:

I've explained why myth is superior

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Dibblah:

Okay. At that insult from me, I'm afraid I'm giving up and going to bed.

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Ediehow:

SQL Error: Column 'parentid' cannot be null [#1048] with mythweb with .20

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GreyFoxx:

Ediehow: I told you before, it's a known issue, a fix has been put in the -fixes branch, and Isaac is likely gonna put out a new mythplugins tonight

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Anduin:

Ediehow: known bug, new mythplugins tarball expected

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janneg:

Ediehow: new tarball and a diff are up (http://ftp-osl.osuosl.org/pub/mythtv/mythplugins-0.20a.tar.bz2, http://ftp-osl.osuosl.org/pub/mythtv/fix-mythweb-in-0.20.diff)

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johnny:

hi folks, anybody here use a serial remote?

[23:04:15]

Ediehow:

i sort of do

[23:04:31]

johnny:

i have a really old irman

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johnny:

like 6 years.. and now i'm finally getting a tv card

[23:04:40]

johnny:

:)

[23:04:55]

johnny:

the irman seems to work on my usb -> serial converter

[23:05:03]

johnny:

but it doesn't seem to work on the mobo

[23:05:07]

Ediehow:

http://ftp-osl.osuosl.org/pub/mythtv/mythplugins-0.20a.tar.bz2 doesn't work

[23:05:29]

johnny:

.20a ?

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Anduin:

Ediehow: It does for me

[23:05:48]

Ediehow:

http://ftp-osl.osuosl.org/pub/mythtv/mythplugins-0.20a.tar.bz2,

[23:05:48]

Ediehow:

=> `mythplugins-0.20a.tar.bz2,'

[23:05:48]

Ediehow:

Resolving ftp-osl.osuosl.org... 140.211.166.134

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Ediehow:

Connecting to ftp-osl.osuosl.org|140.211.166.134|:80... connected.

[23:05:50]

Ediehow:

HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 404 Not Found

[23:05:52]

Ediehow:

18:05:42 ERROR 404: Not Found.

[23:06:16]

Anduin:

Ediehow: probably a mirroring issue

[23:07:23]

johnny:

what is this .20a? :)

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mchou:

proof that cell phones are a distraction: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R3Ti5GW5AAc

[23:07:42]

johnny:

i'm getting my tv tuner card finally tomorrow

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Anduin:

johnny: quick mythweb bugfix

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johnny:

ok .. that's cool

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johnny:

i had just compiled .19 two days ago :)

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johnny:

so today i've upgraded to .20

[23:08:24]

janneg:

Ediehow: at least the diff is accessable from here

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johnny:

only 3 plugins left

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janneg:

http://ftp-osl.osuosl.org/pub/mythtv/

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johnny:

so does mythbrowser embed konqueror? or use something different?

[23:09:02]

metalac:

hey guys i'm having issues with DCT-6200

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johnny:

i haven't installed that one

[23:09:07]

metalac:

i can't set it to broadcast mode

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metalac:

any clue what might be up?

[23:09:18]

johnny:

hmm.. that's a cablebox..

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johnny:

?

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metalac:

anyone using DCT-6200 reliably?

[23:09:26]

metalac:

johnny: that's right

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johnny:

too bad i don't have digital cable here

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johnny:

it's at my parents

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mchou:

metalac: what do you mean by set it to broadcast mode?

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johnny:

i was hoping to set mythtv up for them.. after i set it up myself :)

[23:09:56]

metalac:

http://mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/FireWire

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mchou:

metalac: you set that thru firewire setting

[23:10:05]

metalac:

if you look in broadcast section

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johnny:

so you're a lil too early for me to answer :)

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Ediehow:

hmm

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metalac:

mchou: yes but i enter the command and do "plugreport" again and bcast_connection is still set to 0

[23:10:34]

Ediehow:

janneg: will the .at.rpm be available soon too?

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mchou:

metalac: broadcast is not a requirement

[23:11:16]

metalac:

mchou: well there seems to be a lot of disagrement, what's the "prefered" way of doing this?

[23:11:30]

mchou:

metalac: even if it's P2P it should still work

[23:11:41]

mchou:

metalac: disagreement? where?

[23:12:10]

metalac:

mchou: in the talk section of that article

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mchou:

metalac: that's the problem w/ wikis

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janneg:

Ediehow: probably tomorrow, but I really don't know

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metalac:

mchou: I guess, is anything been done with dct-6200 problems in 0.20?

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stuarta:

metalac: try the firewire tester in contrib

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visik7:

hi

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metalac:

stuarta: firewire tester?

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metalac:

stuarta: mean test-mpeg2??

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stuarta:

no, firewire tester

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visik7:

maybe this is a common question but I'm totally newbye with mythtv: am I forced to use mysql as backend or also other db are supported ? like sqlite or something that doesn't require a running server ?

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johnny:

i think mysql is required..

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metalac:

oh is there any way to make sure that the cable box is always on the same node? so far it's been alternating between 0 and 1

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johnny:

all the instructions i've seen seem to indicate that..

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Anduin:

visik7: MySQL only

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johnny:

sqlite would be nice for mythtv tho ..

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visik7:

is there any plan to support anything else ?

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johnny:

visik7, i'm guessing patches are accepted :)

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visik7:

:)

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Anduin:

visik7: Yes, for a long time now.

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johnny:

but i'm friendly with mysql.. so i don't personally have the need

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stuarta:

and sqlite can't cope with myth's scheduler

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Anduin:

It can't cope with meaningful indexes either

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stuarta:

it's basically crap for myth

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visik7:

'couse I'm look for mythtv to put it inside a semi-embedded system but starting mysql take times that with sqlite (or anything else) will not be necessary

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visik7:

what feature a RDBMS needs to work with mythtv ?

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GreyFoxx:

starting mysqlshouldn't take more than a few seconds

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GreyFoxx:

if that

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Anduin:

Yeah, starting MySQL is unlikely to be your bottleneck

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visik7:

is one component that I don't need to manage

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GreyFoxx:

We might see embedded mysql used eventually. but you never known

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mchou:

metalac: most of the stuff on wikis are junk

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mchou:

since any clueless dude can deface it

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mchou:

metalac: beats me, I'm not using .20

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mchou:

works just fine in 0.19

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mchou:

metalac: what dct problems are you having?

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metalac:

well dct is totally random

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metalac:

sometimes it works well for a while

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metalac:

and then sometimes it doesn't work at all

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jwestfall:

broadcast?

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mchou:

metalac: that's cause you need to rboot both the DCT and the computer for a full firewire bus reset

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mchou:

reboot*

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metalac:

mchou: I do, but I don't want to do that everytime the connection breaks

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mchou:

there are times where dct doesnt successfully flip channels, but usually that's switching to a 5c channel/program

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mchou:

or when the firewire bus gets hosed

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visik7:

in the 0.20 I red that the mouse support has been rentroduced

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metalac:

i didn't have any problems with channel changes, but every few hours I'll loose a connection

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visik7:

does it mean that I can click buttons with mouse/touchscreen ?

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mchou:

metalac: I've NEVER had that happen

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mchou:

metalac: you better check your cable and connection.....

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mchou:

metalac: or try a different firewire card

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GreyFoxx:

visi: Not all items are clickable. Not super usable imho

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metalac:

mchou: i think i might have to use a different firewire card, but this one worked fine for last couple of years doing IPOD transfers

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visik7:

GreyFoxx: hoping in feature development

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mchou:

metalac: what firewire chip you got now?

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tal[UD]:

hello, does anybody here know if there are any dish network stbs that can be controlled via something other than IR blasting?

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metalac:

mchou: Texas Instruments TSB12LV26 IEEE-1394 Controller

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GreyFoxx:

visik7: It might get better as more stuffis changed over to use the mythui libraries

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mchou:

metalac: heh, that's the problematic one. It also uses I2C

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mchou:

metalac: that's known to disconnect

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metalac:

mchou: what would be a good one? and where are you getting this information?

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mchou:

metalac: kernel archives or linux1394.org

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mchou:

metalac: I2C on that chip interferes with lots of crap

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mchou:

metalac: including hauppauge pvr-x50

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Ediehow:

janneg: you there?

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visik7:

time to sllep

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knoppMythNewbie:

Hi everybody.... I've got my Mythtv up and running, now I need a little tweaking... The playback, or TV watching isn't very good, it kind of is sluggish, or stuttery

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metalac:

mchou: i just happen to have PVR-150 :)

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metalac:

mchou: i guess i'll have to find a more reliable chipset and go with it

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janneg:

Ediehow: ues

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janneg:

err, yes

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Ediehow:

janneg: so i need http://ftp-osl.osuosl.org/pub/mythtv/mythplugins-0.20a.tar.bz2

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Ediehow:

and i need to recompile whole thing?

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Ediehow:

i am currently using atrpms

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kormoc:

knoppMythNewbie, that could be for a lot of reasons. Why don't you start by telling us what your system specs are

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Ediehow:

or can i just get some files from mythweb dir?

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janneg:

Ediehow: no, you just need to apply following diff to your mythweb installation http://ftp-osl.osuosl.org/pub/mythtv/fix-mythweb-in-0.20.diff

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knoppMythNewbie:

I've 128 meg of memory, and a hauppauge pvr 350. How can I check that my card is being recognized right, and optimally? It suggests I use vx drivers, and, of course, I am tad short of memory. Which should I attack first.

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stuarta:

Juski: Unable to find image file: /usr/local/share/mythtv/themes/ProjectGrayhem/conflict/con-box.png

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knoppMythNewbie:

The cpu is athlon 2000

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stuarta:

Juski: or have I told you about that one?

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Ediehow:

where do i run that from on local machine?

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Ediehow:

janneg:

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Ediehow:

patch -p0 < foo.diff from what dir?

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RandomDude15:

I'm having issues

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RandomDude15:

with myth recording channels after like 100

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janneg:

patch -p1 < fix-mythweb-in-0.20.diff in your htdocs should be sufficent

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RandomDude15:

well whenever I schedule

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RandomDude15:

a channel

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RandomDude15:

after like 100

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RandomDude15:

it never records it.

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RandomDude15:

when I go to watch recordings to see it.

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RandomDude15:

it says "the file for this recording can not be found"

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Ediehow:

patched

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Ediehow:

thanks!

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RandomDude15:

do i need to do a patch on it or something?

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Ediehow:

hey, isn't it true that you can export recordsing to dvd or something?

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Ediehow:

in 2.0?

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Ediehow:

.20?

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brendan__:

hi, is the mythtv svn server down? (snv.mythtv.org)?

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RandomDude15:

when will myth be upgraded?

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opello:

when you upgrade it?

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Ediehow:

isn't it true you can burn straight to dvd in .20 or something?

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hays:

What's with the low version numbers? 0.20? heh

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knoppMythNewbie:

Oh... And I just installed it, it's the current version.

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Dark`-`:

every project does it differently

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xris:

Ediehow: mytharchive

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Ediehow:

xris is that included with .20?

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Ediehow:

or do i need to get it separately?

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xris:

brendan__: disabled due to cpu overload. should be back sometime tonight

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Ediehow:

getiting it now

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xris:

Ediehow: yeah, in mythplugins

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Ediehow:

xris: installed it

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Ediehow:

is it usable through mythweb?

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xris:

no

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xris:

not yet

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Ediehow:

oh, so i need to use frontend for now?

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xris:

yup

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janneg:

brendan__: Chutt enabled it again

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Ediehow:

this is really bizarre

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xris:

brendan__: svn is back

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Ediehow:

i don't know if it's local to myth or what, but i can't seem to use my mouse with it anymore

[23:45:59]

brendan__:

thanks

[23:46:00]

Ediehow:

i have it play on my 2nd monitor

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xris:

Ediehow: um, you never COULD. .20 is the first one in a LONG time to allow it

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Ediehow:

xris: no, i can't even move my mouse to that screen when mythfrontned is up

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Ediehow:

or when i do it while myth is playing something, the screen goes black

[23:46:51]

Ediehow:

it just started a few weeks ago

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xris:

Ediehow: yes. it's disabled. you have to turn on mouse access

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Ediehow:

xris: is it supposed to go black?

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xris:

black, no

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RandomDude15:

so what should i do about myth not bein able to have schedule on certain channels?

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briand:

greetings all. happy release day.

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Anduin:

RandomDude15: 1) explain it better

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RandomDude15:

Ok, my thing is NOT letting me record channels after like 100.

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RandomDude15:

I tried to record an HBO movie on like channel 239

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briand:

dumb question: i did `service mythbackend stop` (after exiting mythfrontend), backed up my database, compiled and installed 0.20 (and plugins, and themes). Question: do I simply `service mythbackend start` and fire up the frontend, or reboot?

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RandomDude15:

scheduled it

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RandomDude15:

whenever I schedule a recordings on a channel number after like 100 it always says "the file for this recording can not be found"

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Anduin:

RandomDude15: Do it right (you are currently doing it wrong)

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Anduin:

RandomDude15: The analog tuner cannot tune to HBO on channel 239

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RandomDude15:

I'm using svideo.

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briand:

amend that: I guess I should probably run mythtv-setup, right? (assuming that's what'll upgrade my database)

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Anduin:

RandomDude15: With a channel change script?

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Anduin:

RandomDude15: bakcend logs would help

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RandomDude15:

Oh yeah and I've been able to record on channel 136 before scheduled and now I can't.

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xris:

briand: db will upgrade regardless.

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RandomDude15:

im looking.

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regicide666:

Just starting the backend will upgrade the database?

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RandomDude15:

where can i find them again?

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Anduin:

regicide666: or the frontend

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D-side:

man i'm itching to upgrade.

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Anduin:

RandomDude15: It depends

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rfergu:

Hi, my father is intent on buliding a HTPC and I would like to consider mythtv. The issue is that my mother must be able to control the tv with a remote or the endless hell she will create will overtake the planet.

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Sebulba02:

lol

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RandomDude15:

found backend logs

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rfergu:

Is it possible for a completely non-technical person to use the software?

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Anduin:

rfergu: Luckily a remote is a common accessory

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Dark`-`:

rfergu: of course

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Dark`-`:

if it is configured well enough ;)

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Anduin:

rfergu: Only if they know a technical person

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rfergu:

hehe, well I can set it up as I've run linux a long time

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Anduin:

or birthed one

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rfergu:

but..

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regicide666:

once it is all set up it is as easy as any set top box

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rfergu:

I won't be able to maintain it really

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rfergu:

oh rock on

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Dark`-`:

you can certainly bind remote control functions to actions in mythtv

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Anduin:

RandomDude15: pastebin the part around the recording

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RandomDude15:

http://pastebin.ca/167430

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rfergu:

Is there a website where I can look up the most usable remotes that will work easily with mythtv?

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kormoc:

rfergu, honestly, I'd recommend the microsoft mce-usb2 remote

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kormoc:

rfergu, it's by far the best remove I've ever used/seen

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RandomDude15:

I have that remote.

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