Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Saturday, September 9th, 2006, 00:01 UTC

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Juski:

"by your command" :-P

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Duke7953:

Baltar is not here...

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Juski:

doh he's never around when you need him

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k-man_:

when is bsg supposed to start again?

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Duke7953:

I am playing with my DCT6412 over firewire, and found that if you are watch a channel over firewire and that same channel starts to record on the second tuner, the screen goes blank for that channel. I can't watch the recoded show from the DVR list either. Has anyone else seen this?

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mchou:

Duke7953: please rephrase. not sure what you're trying to convey.....

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mchou:

Duke7953: are you saying the STB is capable of streaming from both tuners over firewire?

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mchou:

Duke7953: or something else?

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Duke7953:

I am trying to use the STB in 2 ways.

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mchou:

Duke7953: also for what it's worth I dont think myth can "address" both tuners on DCT6412. For one thing 6200ch can only address one tuner unless you modify source

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Duke7953:

I can view one tuner okay thru firewire...

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Duke7953:

when I watch say channel 10

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Duke7953:

on mythtv

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Duke7953:

then the STB starts to record 10 on the other channel

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Duke7953:

If I try to watch that recording, I get a blank screen.

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mchou:

this is "prepogrammed" on the STB itself?

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Duke7953:

yes, sir

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mchou:

Duke7953: that doesnt surprise me one bit

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Duke7953:

one more thing, I disconnected mythtv and tried again, but still will not play.

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quink:

question. any idea when .20 is going to be released?

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kormoc:

sunday in theory

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mchou:

I dont think the STB is mart enough to realize Tuner 1 is "in use" externally

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quink:

okay. all i needed to know.

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mchou:

Duke7953: smart*

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quink:

actually. is it an easy upgrade or are there big changes?

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mchou:

Duke7953: so it picks the first "free" tuner for recording.....

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Duke7953:

?

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mchou:

Duke7953: which happens to be tuner 1 :)

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zoidberg:

hey guys

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zoidberg:

i'm new here

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zoidberg:

can someone help me answer a few questions

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zoidberg:

?

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quink:

ask them

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Duke7953:

humm, so it seems that my STB is now in a hosed state?

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Duke7953:

reset?

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mchou:

Duke7953: what do you mean hosed....You cant watch anything?

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mchou:

(using just the STB for "live" TV, as an example)

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Duke7953:

Nothing that I have recorded.

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Duke7953:

ye

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Duke7953:

s

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Duke7953:

All channels are viewable, except ch 10 — the one that was attempted to record.

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zoidberg:

so i have a P3 1 GHZ 30 GB 256 RAM machine raunning Ubuntu Dapper Drake....i have an ATI TV-Wonder tuner/capture card

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zoidberg:

will i be able to just watch tv properly using mythtv?

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mchou:

Duke7953: beats me. if you really cant watch anything pull the power plug and plug it back in.

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mchou:

Duke7953: a soft reset might not be enough

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zoidberg:

is there anyone there?

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mchou:

Duke7953: bottom line is dont record with STB and myth. use one or the other

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mchou:

zoidberg: if you cant hear us then problem is on your end

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zoidberg:

mchou: i can hear u guys

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zoidberg:

mchou: can i use mythtv just to watch tv on my computer... i already metnioned the specs?

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mchou:

Duke7953: for one thing you never know about contention conflicts if you use both

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mchou:

zoidberg: you can, but it will be way overkill just for that. Use tvtime or similar

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Duke7953:

Hehe... okay, that makes sense. It was unintentional as I am playing with getting firewire working... which it does to some extent... but this problem and the C5 content encrpytion seems give a little trouble which causes the current channel to stick.

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mchou:

Duke7953: where are you located?

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mchou:

Duke7953: and it's 5C, not C5

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mchou:

C5 is government

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Duke7953:

San Clemente, CA

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mchou:

Duke7953: cable provider?

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Duke7953:

COX

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mchou:

San Clemente is close to Santa Barbara, is that correct?

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mchou:

or is my geography mixed up? :)

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Duke7953:

About 200 miles or so

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mchou:

lol

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mchou:

that's way off then

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Duke7953:

Close depending on the scale you use

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mchou:

Duke7953: san clemente is closer to LA than SB

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Duke7953:

closer... about 60 miles to LA

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mchou:

Duke7953: in the middle of nowhere sandwiched betw. LA and SD....

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mchou:

Duke7953: you having fun at Camp Pendleton?

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** Juski has blogged. that's twice in one week. eesh **

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Duke7953:

We get a booms and various noises from the maneuvers

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mchou:

anyone have a bluetooth dongle here? I wondering how well supported these things are supported in linux

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Duke7953:

I do... from Logitech KB and mouse work great. just plugged it in and viola

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kothog:

i have a btoes bluetooth dongle.

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Juski:

wow. 'I' look quite fit in this pic... http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fus . . . ad8ba782e3fa .. funny what you find when you google your IRC Nick

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mchou:

Duke7953: just make sure you stay upwind. All sorts of toxic and radioactive shit

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kothog:

works perfectly with my holux gpslim 236.

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kormoc:

Juski, I must be logged in to view that pic :/

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Juski:

what? I wasn't logged in. like I'd admit to being a member of myspace anyway...

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mchou:

I'm thinking of getting a bt dongle for voip....it has to support a2dp profile.....

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mchou:

apparent not many dongles are capable of supporting that profile....

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mchou:

apparently*

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Juski:

wouldn't be at all surprised

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mchou:

i also need to build the snd-bt-a2dp kernel module......

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mchou:

Juski: if anything, I'm surprised that there are more dongles that doesnt support a2dp

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mchou:

I mean a2dp is the killer app for bluetooth.

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mchou:

adding a dsp in the dongle that support a2dp wouldnt have cost them that much

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mchou:

considering bt has a dsp proc already

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Juski:

true. could the a2dp not be done in software?

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mchou:

yup. SW on a DSP

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jchadwick:

I apologize in advance, since this may not be the best place to ask, but... I am having trouble using the xbmcmythtv (MythTV on XBMC) scripts – getting database connection errors.

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hatlevip:

does you database have networking turned on

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jchadwick:

I can use the normally-installed frontends from many different systems on the same subnet, so I don't think the issue is with the server

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jchadwick:

and the machine (the Xbox) can see the server, because I am able to use samba to browse and view files just fine

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hatlevip:

hmmmm, what about user and pass?

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hatlevip:

and the table?

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jchadwick:

the table?

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jchadwick:

you mean the database?

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jchadwick:

yes, yes – it's all the defaults

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hobophobe:

The good news is the bad news is good news.

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hobophobe:

I can watch tv on the tv and on the computer at the same time, but there's a slight delay on the computer side. To be expected, of course.

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ShockValue:

anyone have a specific use for 120G drives? i'd love to swap 7x120's for 3 250's

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hobophobe:

that's a net loss of 90gb

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ShockValue:

for me it is, yesh.

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hobophobe:

It's like there's some kind of weird temporal anomaly in my room. Either over here at the computer is ~2 seconds in the past, or over there at the tv is ~2 seconds in the future.

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ShockValue:

someone else would get more storage, i would get the convenience of less drives to power

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hobophobe:

Ah yeah

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ShockValue:

im not worried about the loss of storage, i have 2130GB in my house.. i just have too many drives and not enough IDE to raid them all together

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ShockValue:

and they're all various sizes, so it makes the math harder :)

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hobophobe:

hehehe

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hobophobe:

If you had, for example... two 40g drives and one 80g, could you somehow configure the 40s as a RAID0 (effectively an 80g device) and then RAID0 that device with the 80g?

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fysa:

yes/

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hobophobe:

neat

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ShockValue:

yeah

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hobophobe:

That's why I love computers..you can do so many crazy things with them.

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fysa:

or you could split the 80g into two 40g partitions

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fysa:

and RAID-6 them all

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ShockValue:

i was thinking of making all of my drives so variation on 80Gs and raiding them together RAID5, but that would kind of defeat the purpose, since if 1 of the 160G drives failes (2x80) it would wreck the who array

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ShockValue:

i cant type

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ShockValue:

you get the idea tho :)

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hobophobe:

Like with linux I think you can have two 80g and build a software RAID with mdadm and then set it up with LVM, and then make a software RAID of the LVM volumes, in theory anyway...and keep doing it over and over.

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** kormoc blinks **

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Juski:

then one disk dies & you lose a lot of data

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kormoc:

KISS, Keep It Simple Stupid ;P

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ShockValue:

yeah.. i could care less about the videos and the recorded TV shows.. but if my music collection died, I think i would just give up on computers

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hobophobe:

kormoc, true, but sometimes to reach true simplicity you have to go complex first :o)

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hobophobe:

ie, the universe and its quest for true equilibrium had to big bang and then entropy it down

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kormoc:

yeah... when you lose all your data, keep saying that :P

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hobophobe:

Well that's KISS right? No data == kiss.

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hobophobe:

I really liked that floppy drive RAID though, it's a really neat idea

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SlicerDicer-:

ShockValue: were you trying to get ahold of me

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SlicerDicer-:

or was it defaultro?

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ShockValue:

no

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ShockValue:

unless you wanted to know my address to send a pizza over? im hungry

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ShockValue:

will hi-def content stream over a 100Mb connection?

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hobophobe:

You can, not sure what quality you'll be able to necessarily

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ShockValue:

basically i was thinking comcast HD -> backend -> 100Mb ethernet -> frontend

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poonj:

hey guys...

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xris:

ShockValue: should be fine

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ShockValue:

jab jab, whats up?

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xris:

1080i is about 9.6G/hour

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kormoc:

ShockValue, HDTV is around 25 mbit/sec max

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ShockValue:

cool

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ShockValue:

i might just break down and get a gigabit switch anyway

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AngryElf:

what's the difference between perfect and ISO when it comes to ripping dvds?

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xris:

I believe that ISO copies the entire disk, extras and all.

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xris:

but that's just a guess

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poonj:

I'm curios to know, but when I see my friend's download a TV episode that is approximately 40 minutes in HD, those files are 350 megs at 640x480 using xVID compression with a bitrate of about 1100. However, when I try to compress an HD Feed with the same parameters, its about 1.5GB...

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ShockValue:

yeah i think so.. iso = whole disk, perfect = just hte movie, uncompressed.

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poonj:

is there something I am missing in order to get a much smaller file?

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ShockValue:

ehh, if its 640x480, it isnt HD :)

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ShockValue:

are you compressing a 640x480 as well?

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poonj:

no

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poonj:

I'm compressing whatever the feed that is coming in

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poonj:

720p or 1080i

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ShockValue:

resolution x bitrate = size

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poonj:

when you say resolution..

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kormoc:

output resolution

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poonj:

kormoc, so when I use a higher resolution and try to output it with a lower res

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poonj:

thats supposed to shrink my file size as well right?

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kormoc:

tho, isn't there a fps calculation in there too?

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poonj:

thats the thing too..

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ShockValue:

1080i = 1920x1080.. quite different from your friends 640x480

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poonj:

its quite possible I'm going at 30fps

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poonj:

ShockValue, thats the output resolution

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panchovil:

is anyone here familiar with the myth box?

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poonj:

I'm not compressing it at 1920x1080

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kormoc:

is't it (x resolution) * (y resolution) * (color depth) * fps * bitrate = size?

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ShockValue:

oh am i over simplifying? sorry

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panchovil:

i have a few very noobish questions to ask and i dont want to anger anyone...

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poonj:

I'm trying to downsize the resolution to 640x480

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kormoc:

panchovil, there is no 'the mythbox', but ask away and see if someone knows

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Juski:

panchovil: just ask. that's less likely to anger people than being over-apologetic

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Juski:

woo I stopped the stupid flashing LED on my s100 from flashing _without_ modding the hardware

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panchovil:

I understand that if i load LINUX (which i know nothing about) onto my XBOX i can use it to capture live tv. I want to do this but i also understand that there is a computer interface also. I didnt understand the FAQs found at the MYTHTV.org site.

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kormoc:

actually, does the xbox support capture cards? I thought it was a frontend only?

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Juski:

panchovil: you can't capture video on the xbox. if it was possible or it'd been done it would've been slashdotted to hell & back

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panchovil:

what exactly is a "frontend"

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panchovil:

is there a MYTH TV for dummies site?

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Juski:

it should be possible in _theory_ to use a USB tuner but to the best of everybody's knowledge (and google) nobody has ever done it on the xbox

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kormoc:

panchovil, myth has two sides of the program. a backend, which records all the video and controls scheduling and all that jazz, and a frontend, which is what you use to watch the videos

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kormoc:

panchovil, the frontend and backend do not need to be on the same computer

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panchovil:

gotcha. so you have to have a pretty suped up computer to do all the capturing and compiling and things right?

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Juski:

nope

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kormoc:

not really

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kormoc:

some people use 700 mhz p3's

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kormoc:

a lot use computers in the 1ghz to 2 ghz range

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panchovil:

how does the backend receive a signal from coax then?

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Juski:

with a TV tuner

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xris:

tv tuner card

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kormoc:

via a tv card, the pvr 150 is a popular choice, as is the pvr 500

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panchovil:

got it im writing this down.

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hobophobe:

Does Xbox have firewire?

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panchovil:

no

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hobophobe:

dang

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panchovil:

2.0

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ShockValue:

or.. if you have comcast, you can go straight from the cablebox via firewire to the drive (on select models)

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Juski:

and I'd only recommend you use a Hauppauge PVR card for capturing analogue TV (or a Plextor ConvertX)

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panchovil:

you lost me on that last sentence

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xris:

panchovil: just in case you don't know, Linux is an operating system.. like Windows, but (completely) different.

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kormoc:

panchovil, there's many forms of tv, coax (standard cable) is considered analog tv

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ShockValue:

how about this -> what type of TV are you thinking of using with mythtv?

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panchovil:

yeah im pretty big into the XBOX scene so i know ABOUT linux, but not the navigation or installation

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panchovil:

standard coax from the wall cable tv

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ShockValue:

yeah, then i'd suggest a hauppauge card.. 150/500/250 models

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xris:

that's analog cable. pvr-150 (or pvr-500 if you want to record 2 things at once) is your best option for that.

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kormoc:

the 250 is worthless with the 150 out imho

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xris:

it's also the same card you'd get if you wanted to do windows media center edition.

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ShockValue:

yeah, thats true, but there's lots of 250's still floating around

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kormoc:

given the 150 does everything the 250 does, and better then the 250, and cheaper to boot

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kormoc:

fair nuff

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e4:

I just got the pvr500 going on my system, it's slick

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ShockValue:

i have 2 in my box right now, that i'm about to sell, or dump in my "box o crap"

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panchovil:

i found a good website of instructions to set up the XBOX with the "frontend" but it had no info on how to capture the video, got it on the happauge card, thanks

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panchovil:

What box are you guys referring to?

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ShockValue:

speaking of.. anyone need a hd3000 card?

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xris:

panchovil: in the case of using the xbox as a frontend, the backend is whatever PC hardware you want to use.

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kormoc:

my mythbox upgrade plan is to go from 256 megs of ram to 1 gb, upgrade the m179 to a pvr 500, get a dvd player, and upgrade the hd from 200 gb to 500 gb or so

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kormoc:

panchovil, most of us build our own comptuer systems as mythboxes

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e4:

just use XBMC plus an XBMC_MythTV frontend on your xbox

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panchovil:

so the backend, does it need to be a full functioning computer with media center?

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kormoc:

panchovil, any computer with a (compatable) capture card can be used as a mythbox

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kormoc:

panchovil, media center?

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xris:

panchovil: media center is microsoft, so no. but it does need to be a full functioning computer.

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ShockValue:

-mediacenter +mythbackend

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panchovil:

got it, does the backend need to run linux?

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kormoc:

yes

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ShockValue:

yes

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panchovil:

exclusively?

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Juski:

oh for the love of $deity... "But DVR-MS ability could save the life of MythTV"... who is that guy kidding? I've never seen "I want I want I want!" wrapped up like that before ;)

[01:45:54]

xris:

when you're using it

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kormoc:

well, it needs to be running when it's recording or you're watching a recording

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kormoc:

dvr-ms?

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xris:

no backend, no recordings, nothing for the frontend to connect to and play back from.

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xris:

ok, I really need to go meet my wife for dinner. later.

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Juski:

kormoc: mythtv-users thread..

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ShockValue:

funny, i was just about to say "i need to get xris's wife out of my house before he notices she's late for dinner"

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panchovil:

ok so i need to learn about LINUX then Thanks for all the help guys and maybe gals, i appreciate it.

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Juski:

someone who wants mythtv to record in MCE's native format.. lol

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e4:

!!!

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kormoc:

MythLogBot trout ShockValue xris's trout

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** MythLogBot slaps ShockValue with a xris's trout trout on behalf of kormoc... **

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ShockValue:

ehm ok :)

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ShockValue:

ttyal

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Juski:

wow. 3am.. time for bed I think

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mchou:

linky re mce format?

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mchou:

some ppl just have all sorts of crazy requests

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e4:

heh in a programming channel I was just in a guy kept asking how to solve a problem, then replied that he didn't want to do it. Then eventually said he wasn't going to follow advice merely liked to hear opinions on how to fix something

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mchou:

get a bigger had drive cheapskate! and who needs that DRM baggage?

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mchou:

e4: nothing wrong with that

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mchou:

e4: just because you solicit ideas doesnt mean you have to follow thru on every single one

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mchou:

plenty of hare-brained ideas out there.

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hobophobe:

Okay, so let's say I didn't have the frontend running right now and I had a scheduled recording. What would happen? The backend just handles it?

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e4:

that's true. But to say out loud he just liked opinions and was already going to do it his way is a bit rude, isin't it?

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kormoc:

hobophobe, aye

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e4:

hm.. perhaps not. Hobophobe it shouldn't matter :)

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mchou:

e4: not necessarily. It's possible he had the best idea.

[02:01:47]

e4:

I suppose :)

[02:01:55]

mchou:

e4: maybe he was just asking for a sanity check

[02:02:06]

mchou:

e4: happens all the time

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hobophobe:

Well he should have said that up front, "Hey I've already got a plan for doing this, but I wanted to hear what others thought."

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mchou:

hobophobe: nah. that would derail the discussion

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e4:

I just hate wasting peoples time with questions when the don't do what you suggest. Also, I work tech support and I'm often told that the people asking for help don't want to try my fixes :P

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mchou:

cause it would get other ppl to ask so what your big idea?

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mchou:

e4: ever taken myers briggs personality test? :)

[02:03:39]

e4:

nope, lol

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e4:

should I?

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mchou:

e4: it could be enlightening

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hobophobe:

It wouldn't bother me as long as they told me their better way.

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mchou:

e4: there is one classification that get annoyed "didnt take my suggestion"

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e4:

heh, fair enough :)

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mchou:

hobophobe: nah, it would be even better if they said WHY theirs was better (after listening to all ideas)

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e4:

I just wouldn't ever say directly I was not planning on following their advice, I'd just say thanks for the help and the perspective on the situation

[02:05:42]

e4:

but I think that that's probably enough of the off-topic for me :)

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mchou:

e4: maybe

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hobophobe:

hmm what menu do I use to watch a show being recorded now?

[02:16:44]

hobophobe:

It doesn't show up under 'watch recordings', though it does under 'previous recordings' (which I can't watch it from), and under 'schedule' (can't watch from)?

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e4:

wow, how long does it take to populate the database?

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GreyFoxx:

with what ?

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e4:

the channel listing I think, it's taking forever

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kormoc:

the first time? awhile

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kormoc:

it has to handle 14 days or so of data

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e4:

heh yeah, my database rests on a 13Gb HD with a 750MHz Duron

[02:29:48]

e4:

probably doesn't help

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flaggelat:

if you have two tuners, and are recording one channel, and switch to the recording channel in Live TV, are you using the same tuner that is recording or are you using the other one?

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GreyFoxx:

flaggelat: Nope

[02:32:08]

GreyFoxx:

You are using bnoth tuners

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flaggelat:

and its not possible to record and watch the same tuner at once? even in the future?

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GreyFoxx:

If you want to watch whatis being recorded,go to"Watch recordings" and start playing it while it;s being recorded

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hobophobe:

GreyFoxx, it's not showing up in Watch recordings while it's being recorded?

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GreyFoxx:

If you are recording a show, it's in WAtch recordings

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hobophobe:

No, it isn't. That's what I just asked a little while ago. I can see the file in the directory growing, it _is_ recording, but it isn't shown up in watch recordings :o/

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GreyFoxx:

hobophobe: LiveTV is different, You have to change your WatchTV playgroup to see those

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** flaggelat grumbles **

[02:36:03]

hobophobe:

This is a scheduled recording.

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flaggelat:

its just something that would bug me, since thats what my current PVR does

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GreyFoxx:

hobophobe: I've never heard of anyone having that issue

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hobophobe:

flaggelat, I'm sure you can do it, it's just I'm having a little issue at the moment

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GreyFoxx:

You CAN watch a recording while it records,but Changing channels in Livetv to the same channel as something just happens to be recording on will not start playing from the recording and free up the tuner

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hobophobe:

GreyFoxx, it's showing the only live recording I have and 'all programs' over and over in the left list of watch recordings, and then in either it has the live recording, nothing else?

[02:38:45]

hobophobe:

Maybe it'll fix after I restart.

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GreyFoxx:

hobophobe: So, you have changed your playgroup to see LiveTV recordings then ?

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flaggelat:

because when i would be recording two things at once i would like the option of the two channels in the livetv epg, fussy I know, but I'm not switching to MythTV until it can fully replace my Sky+ box

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GreyFoxx:

flaggelat: Then I guess you aren't going to be using Myth for a while then

[02:39:40]

GreyFoxx:

Unless you plan to submit the code

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GreyFoxx:

Which I'm sure some others would find useful

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hobophobe:

GreyFoxx, Playback Group just has default, and I've not touched it.

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GreyFoxx:

hobophobe: Normall LiveTV recordings (which are npot scheduled recordings) do not normally show up under the default view

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hobophobe:

:o/

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hobophobe:

flaggelat, you want the ability to have two tuners, and one is recording, and you watch livetv, selecting that tuner, the other tuner to pick up the recording?

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flaggelat:

im not asking for it, i was just wondering if it were ever possible

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hobophobe:

You could achieve that manually, but it would end up in two files, I think, and would be manual, of course.

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flaggelat:

and also im just reading something...

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flaggelat:

you can watch livetv from a front end over a LAN cant you?

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prg3:

Hi All. I'm playing with mythweb, and I'm trying to get streaming working with my recorded progreams... is there an easy way to do this without a streaming server, like flip a flag in apache? I'm using mpeg2 nuvs from a PVR250

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prg3:

flaggelat, yup

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flaggelat:

yay

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hobophobe:

Okay, fixed. It _was_ set on showing 'live recordings' as the default view, meaning it wouldn't show a recording in progress, and would show the live one. Sorry for doubting your wisdom, GreyFoxx :o)

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flaggelat:

also, has anybody reported success with DVB-S and CAMs? (through CI interface, not illegal softcams!)

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GreyFoxx:

I'm pretty sure quite a few European users use those happily

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flaggelat:

and working with MythTV? would i need a seperate CAM for each tuner? :/

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GreyFoxx:

I wouldn't have responded ifit wasn't withmythtv

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GreyFoxx:

as for the multiple cam thing I couldn't say

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flaggelat:

sorry for all these questions but any REAL answers on CAMs seems hard to find

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defi:

I keep gettin this in my logs: NVP: Prebuffer wait timed out 10 times

[03:00:15]

defi:

I've searched around and have'nt found what exactly this is related too

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defi:

Is it the tv cards, ivtv, my network being too slow, my video card, hard drives?????

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hobophobe:

what behavior is it causing?

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defi:

livetv freezes

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defi:

it re-starts and then the audio is out of sync

[03:02:48]

defi:

if i go back a few seconds everything syncs up but its annoying

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hobophobe:

how does the network play into the setup?

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defi:

Iv'e transferred large files and can get anywhere from 8KB's to 10KB's so i encode my live tv at about 7KB's

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hobophobe:

ah

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defi:

any ideas?

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hobophobe:

The primary hits I'm getting relate this to a problem when a program ends and there is a pause for the creation of a new file, but I'm guessing this differs from your situation?

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defi:

yeah its during the regular program

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hobophobe:

is it still preceded by a NVP: Prebuffer pause message?

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defi:

yup

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defi:

and the rebuffering...

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hobophobe:

interesting...what about file creation? would it be possible for you to confirm the creation of a new file at the same time? Does it happen at the end of an hour or half hour or anything?

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defi:

almost every 5 minutes

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hobophobe:

It seems like it's something within myth, where it is following the behavior it thinks it needs at the time.

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defi:

sometimes every 2 and sometimes every 10

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hobophobe:

What about the size of the files it's storing? No regularity there either I'm assuming?

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defi:

?

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hobophobe:

ie, it's not storing ~300mb or something files each time it happens?

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hobophobe:

There's some condition that is occuring that is causing the behavior...so you have to look at the possible scenarios and narrow them down until you can figure out what the cause is.

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hobophobe:

So to do so you have a set of visible behaviors of the program...they involve time, disk space, etc. to look at and try to find patterns.

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defi:

nope only 1 file

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defi:

and disk isnt full

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defi:

ahh

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defi:

I found something that might be the problem

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defi:

In my backend logs it keeps trying to auto-expire a recording that isn't there

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defi:

so i "touched" the file and well see what happens

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goatz:

Anyone here any good with quality settings? Mainly what looks like interlacing artifacts with myth?

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hobophobe:

Specialized PUs look like the wave of the future

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SlicerDicer-:

xris: hey I got a question for ya

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SlicerDicer-:

xris: with mythweb I killed a recording schedule but it wont stop recording?

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xris:

had it already started to record?

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SlicerDicer-:

I am talking like a record at anytime on channel foo

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SlicerDicer-:

no I dont think it was recording at the time

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SlicerDicer-:

I killed 2 differnet ones

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SlicerDicer-:

they wont stop recording haha

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SlicerDicer-:

xris: this is SVN of course

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Klink:

SicerDicer: I was told to ask you a question regard recording from a dct6200

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xris:

SlicerDicer-: no clue

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Klink:

SlicerDicer: Have you ever experienced an stb that you cannot set the p2p or broadcast flags?

[04:04:41]

SlicerDicer-:

Klink: yes

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Klink:

SlicerDicer: And how did you fix?

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SlicerDicer-:

Klink: if by that you mean not recording correct?

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Klink:

SlicerDicer: just sporadic results

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SlicerDicer-:

but you can record some of the time just not all the time?

[04:05:52]

Klink:

yes

[04:05:52]

SlicerDicer-:

so if you were to say run watch live tv over and over it would eventually show

[04:05:56]

Klink:

yes

[04:05:58]

SlicerDicer-:

or record it would eventually record something

[04:06:02]

Klink:

yup

[04:06:05]

** SlicerDicer- has the perfect answer for ya :) **

[04:06:11]

SlicerDicer-:

its a bit of a kludge but it works

[04:06:16]

Klink:

ok

[04:06:19]

xris:

heh

[04:06:28]

SlicerDicer-:

has yet to fail me :)

[04:06:29]

xris:

should just get that flush script thingie into the code.

[04:06:52]

Klink:

i'm twitching with anticipation

[04:06:57]

SlicerDicer-:

Klink: its a shell script that you run at boot

[04:07:02]

Klink:

ok

[04:07:05]

SlicerDicer-:

that should eradicate 99.9% of your problems

[04:07:29]

SlicerDicer-:

the script runs as root so you might not like that I dont know

[04:07:34]

Klink:

no worries

[04:07:59]

SlicerDicer-:

you running a single cablebox or 2?

[04:08:38]

Klink:

just one for now

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SlicerDicer-:

ok

[04:09:50]

SlicerDicer-:

I have one setup to work if you run more than one box thats why I ask

[04:09:58]

SlicerDicer-:

I have to modify it for you to be able to use it :)

[04:10:26]

SlicerDicer-:

http://rafb.net/paste/results/GpTM8I79.html

[04:10:29]

SlicerDicer-:

that should cover it

[04:10:45]

SlicerDicer-:

the first test will always fail

[04:11:00]

SlicerDicer-:

then the second one will either work or fail and it will keep going till it works :)

[04:11:09]

SlicerDicer-:

once it works it will leave the connection active and blam it works :)

[04:11:12]

Klink:

does it matter what node?

[04:11:18]

SlicerDicer-:

modify your node

[04:11:33]

Klink:

does one node work better than the other?

[04:11:38]

SlicerDicer-:

not that I know of

[04:11:39]

SlicerDicer-:

heh

[04:11:55]

SlicerDicer-:

Klink: my script really makes that a non issue :)

[04:12:18]

SlicerDicer-:

it just keeps activating and deactivating p2p connection till it catches then leaves it 100% active all the time

[04:12:33]

Klink:

cool...brute force

[04:12:36]

SlicerDicer-:

its spitting data at your computer and when myth says hello it says hi its about time you want to transmit data

[04:12:44]

SlicerDicer-:

lol

[04:12:47]

Klink:

when do you run it

[04:12:50]

SlicerDicer-:

boot

[04:12:52]

Klink:

rc.local?

[04:12:58]

SlicerDicer-:

should work

[04:13:00]

Klink:

sweet

[04:13:49]

Klink:

will give it a go...I just disabled the onboard firewire and slapped in a texas instruments card making sure it doesn't share interrupts this aft as well

[04:13:50]

SlicerDicer-:

Klink: I find the DCT boxes extremely flakey

[04:14:07]

Klink:

do you use the channel changing script or the builtin one?

[04:14:12]

SlicerDicer-:

builtin

[04:14:21]

SlicerDicer-:

has not failed me yet

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xris:

mine has. :)

[04:14:29]

Klink:

cool....do you recommend other stbs?

[04:15:02]

xris:

seems to sometimes miss a signal.. so "59" records channel 5 instead. pretty rare, though.

[04:15:18]

xris:

Klink: 6200 is the best supported. only one I know of that supports channel changing, etc.

[04:15:28]

Klink:

i just wish I could use my hd3000 instead

[04:16:11]

Klink:

but that is another pain in the @#$

[04:16:12]

SlicerDicer-:

Klink: http://rafb.net/paste/results/lAr4zE20.html that is my full script for daisychain :)

[04:16:20]

SlicerDicer-:

hd3000?

[04:16:31]

Klink:

pchdtv, a dvb card

[04:16:32]

SlicerDicer-:

as in the PCI card?

[04:16:33]

SlicerDicer-:

aye

[04:16:51]

SlicerDicer-:

xris: the dual tuner box works fine with the internal channel change

[04:16:58]

** SlicerDicer- tested and verified :) **

[04:17:14]

SlicerDicer-:

I am just trying to figure a strange way to get it to control both tuners

[04:20:05]

Klink:

anyone out there using shaw in vancouver?

[04:20:24]

Klink:

SlicerDicer: how many times should it loop?

[04:20:31]

SlicerDicer-:

dunno 5 at most?

[04:20:43]

mchou:

SlicerDicer: dct flakey in what sense?

[04:20:53]

SlicerDicer-:

it does not like to react on demand

[04:21:07]

mchou:

SlicerDicer: like what demands?

[04:21:09]

SlicerDicer-:

having p2p set to 0 does not work in my experience with 3 differnet boxes that are the 6200

[04:21:15]

SlicerDicer-:

its random worky

[04:21:20]

mchou:

SlicerDicer: you gonna hold it ransom? :)

[04:21:25]

SlicerDicer-:

and with the dual tuner one its the same dealy

[04:21:46]

SlicerDicer-:

Klink: it might be that you need to remove the rm /root/foo.mpg from the 3rd line

[04:21:52]

SlicerDicer-:

I dont know I added that to modify it for you

[04:21:57]

SlicerDicer-:

Klink: give that a shot

[04:22:02]

SlicerDicer-:

it might be acting stupid I dont know

[04:22:08]

SlicerDicer-:

I am not a shell script guy by any means

[04:22:16]

SlicerDicer-:

I just slung this together and it worked :)

[04:22:28]

SlicerDicer-:

err 4th line rather

[04:22:45]

SlicerDicer-:

mchou: but with my script its great :)

[04:23:30]

SlicerDicer-:

mchou: meaning if I set it to p2p connection 0, work, no work, no work, no work, work, work, no work, work, no work, work etc just random

[04:25:18]

SlicerDicer-:

Klink: did your box explode?

[04:25:54]

Klink:

heh, no...p2p has been set ;) but script keeps looping

[04:26:43]

SlicerDicer-:

are you 100% sure that 5c is not enabled?

[04:26:47]

SlicerDicer-:

on that channel

[04:26:56]

SlicerDicer-:

or that the cablebox is on a channel that can recieve input

[04:27:40]

Klink:

please slap me upside the head...it was on a 5c channel

[04:27:50]

** SlicerDicer- slaps Klink **

[04:27:54]

SlicerDicer-:

upside the head

[04:29:17]

Klink:

I think my really gay cable provider turns on and off 5c at random

[04:29:55]

SlicerDicer-:

Klink: that should work if 5C is not on

[04:30:03]

SlicerDicer-:

or if the channel can recieve

[04:30:12]

SlicerDicer-:

or the cablebox is on ;-)

[04:30:22]

SlicerDicer-:

or firewire is connected..... LOL!!

[04:30:23]

Klink:

yup, I can confirm that it is working fine

[04:30:49]

SlicerDicer-:

cool

[04:31:11]

SlicerDicer-:

yep just set your default myth channel to one that is not 5C set it to bootup worky and away it goes :)

[04:31:11]

briand:

hi all

[04:31:36]

Klink:

maybe I'll slip that external channel change script into the your script

[04:31:43]

SlicerDicer-:

hehe

[04:31:46]

SlicerDicer-:

thats not a bad idea

[04:31:51]

SlicerDicer-:

actually Klink

[04:31:55]

briand:

is there a way to search the mythtv-users mail list archives? I'm not finding a 'search' option anywhere within the archive page(s)...

[04:32:03]

SlicerDicer-:

Klink: there is something you want to add to that

[04:32:08]

SlicerDicer-:

I had somebody do that

[04:32:15]

SlicerDicer-:

moment

[04:32:38]

Captain_Murdoch:

briand: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/

[04:32:57]

** SlicerDicer- waves at the Captian **

[04:33:05]

SlicerDicer-:

and of course typos suck

[04:33:14]

Captain_Murdoch:

uh huh. :)

[04:33:27]

Klink:

SlicerDicer: does the stb sometimes reset the p2p connection?

[04:33:34]

SlicerDicer-:

usually no

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SlicerDicer-:

thats why I said 99% haah

[04:33:42]

SlicerDicer-:

its not perfect

[04:33:52]

SlicerDicer-:

thats future scriptage

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Klink:

hmmm, plugreport has just hung

[04:34:07]

briand:

thanks, chris... I had been all over the maillist site... and that didn't help. appreciate the link. :)

[04:34:13]

SlicerDicer-:

lol Klink

[04:34:17]

SlicerDicer-:

what did you do?

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Klink:

nothing...really!

[04:34:30]

SlicerDicer-:

kill the script?

[04:34:42]

Captain_Murdoch:

briand: yw

[04:35:22]

Klink:

no, script finished successfully...I just did another plugreport

[04:36:10]

SlicerDicer-:

ahh

[04:36:12]

SlicerDicer-:

and it locked?

[04:36:41]

Klink:

the mythbox is fine, and I repowered the stb, plugreport is still hung

[04:37:16]

SlicerDicer-:

hmm

[04:37:19]

SlicerDicer-:

kill plugreport?

[04:37:20]

SlicerDicer-:

hehe

[04:37:55]

Klink:

ya...am getting unsolicited response packet in log

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SlicerDicer-:

next step involves bit more drastic measures

[04:38:21]

** SlicerDicer- looks at the window ;-) **

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briand:

hmm.

[04:38:30]

teknopagan:

Evenin', folks

[04:38:54]

briand:

okay, I've officially now searched the mail list archives (and found the same page I had found via google a few days ago)...

[04:39:07]

teknopagan:

Having an interesting problem getting a remote frontend working...

[04:39:50]

teknopagan:

For some reason, when the frontend tries to connect to the database, it just hangs

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mchou:

gah....

[04:40:12]

Klink:

SlicerDicer: now your script hangs as well

[04:40:28]

mchou:

why the hell is this bluetooth crap all so complicated?

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briand:

I'm trying to use mythwelcome and ACPI (vs. nvram-wakeup) and I cannot get it working. I've set up /etc/sudoers for the appropriate commands, and I can run them (setting time in /proc/acpi/alarm, and running shutdown -h now) as the mythtv user. but mythwelcome counts down the seconds to shutdown, but never actually shuts down.

[04:41:07]

SlicerDicer-:

Klink: think windows me thinking "reboot" ;-)

[04:41:13]

SlicerDicer-:

and it makes it all better

[04:41:29]

SlicerDicer-:

Klink: or plug/unplug the firewire cable

[04:41:31]

SlicerDicer-:

you could try that

[04:41:37]

briand:

i had everything working using just the backend config before... and that worked fine, except there was no accouting for commflagging, etc... which prompted me to try mythwelcome.

[04:41:55]

mchou:

briand: that's cause you got to pass the right shutdown command to myth :)

[04:41:56]

Klink:

are these issues stb related or the cable company

[04:41:58]

teknopagan:

when I launch mythfrontend from the console, it hangs after New DB Connection, total: 1

[04:42:05]

SlicerDicer-:

Klink: it could be I dont know

[04:42:11]

SlicerDicer-:

your on shaw it seems so canada

[04:42:14]

Klink:

ya

[04:42:15]

SlicerDicer-:

I have no idea

[04:42:18]

briand:

mchou: okay.. and what command is that, pray tell?

[04:42:50]

Klink:

I thought I was getting close with the dvb card but no luck I can see every stream coming down the pipe but just can't get a stream

[04:42:59]

SlicerDicer-:

:/

[04:43:19]

SlicerDicer-:

Klink: all I can advise is to play with it abit

[04:43:21]

SlicerDicer-:

it should work

[04:43:22]

mchou:

briand: it's not so much the command syntax as much as making sure it's set up correctly in myth

[04:43:29]

teknopagan:

Anybody know where I can find some output that I can use to troubleshoot this?

[04:44:16]

SlicerDicer-:

Klink: it just requires alot of fiddling sometimes on mine

[04:44:17]

mchou:

briand: if you turn on full logging myth should tell you when countdown stops and the shutdown command issued.....

[04:44:26]

SlicerDicer-:

I mess with it for a day or 2 and everything clears up magicly

[04:44:39]

SlicerDicer-:

I direct that problem to be comshit usually

[04:44:57]

briand:

mchou: hmm. well, mythbackend (which runs as root) has no problem doing this stuff... adding mythwelcome (which runs as mythtv, not root) is a bit more problematic (apparently)

[04:45:16]

SlicerDicer-:

Klink: that is when they are anything but comcastic and it always happens when a cool show like Lost is on

[04:45:19]

SlicerDicer-:

or something haha

[04:45:35]

teknopagan:

ahhhh...hold on...

[04:46:21]

mchou:

briand: I dont see why. as long as user "myth" has perms to execute shutdown

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mchou:

briand: I meant mythtv user

[04:47:39]

briand:

mchou: exactly my quandary. if i run "sudo /root/wakeupat ..." as mythtv, it sets the /proc/acpi/alarm .. if i run "shutdown -h now" as mythtv, it shuts down. but, putting those in mythwelcome does not shut the system down.

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Klink:

SlicerDicer: Well, rebooted pc and p2p and broadcast were back to 0...ran your script...3 iterations and all good...plugreport is good...will play around a bit more...thanks a lot

[04:48:32]

SlicerDicer-:

:)

[04:48:49]

mchou:

briand: shutdown ought to be in your sudoers file

[04:48:59]

SlicerDicer-:

no worries Klink enjoy

[04:49:00]

mchou:

for user mythtv

[04:49:17]

Klink:

but maybe I should run this somewhere other than rc.local?

[04:49:35]

briand:

mchou: and, it is. shutdown, mythshutdown, and the wakupat script are all in the sudoers file, and all allow me to operate them as the mythtv user from the terminal.

[04:49:41]

Captain_Murdoch:

briand: what's in the logs? have you tried giving the full path to shutdown?

[04:49:51]

SlicerDicer-:

Klink: I cant remember where I put it

[04:50:02]

SlicerDicer-:

Klink: but I use gentoo so its bound to be strange ;-)

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Klink:

do you recall what data rate you use

[04:50:06]

** SlicerDicer- burns some rice **

[04:50:06]

briand:

Captain_Murdoch: yes, full paths in the command

[04:50:12]

SlicerDicer-:

Klink: 200

[04:50:16]

Klink:

ok

[04:50:17]

mchou:

briand: beats me then

[04:50:36]

briand:

mchou: and me, too. :/ this _shouldn't_ be that difficult...

[04:50:40]

mchou:

briand: just turn on full logging in myth to see what's going on

[04:51:02]

briand:

mchou: in the backend? frontend? mythwelcome (if it even has it's own log)?

[04:51:06]

Klink:

now who can I pester about digital audio?

[04:51:30]

mchou:

briand: in the frontend, I suppose

[04:52:19]

briand:

mchou: :sigh: you know, of course, that the frontend is not even running at the time, right? (mythbackend won't shutdown if a frontend is connected... thus the whole 'mythwelcome' thing in the first place...)

[04:52:20]

mchou:

briand: anyway, why dont you just write a script to shutdown if myth is idle?

[04:52:32]

mchou:

the frontend, anyways

[04:52:45]

briand:

mchou: that's exactly what mythwelcome is supposed to be

[04:52:54]

briand:

if mythbackend is idle, it'll shut down.

[04:53:07]

briand:

but it doesn't account for commflagging, datagrabbing, transcoding, etc.

[04:53:15]

briand:

mythwelcome checks for those things, too.

[04:53:38]

briand:

and, other than running as the mythtv user rather than root, should work the same... but (apparently) doesn't.

[04:53:40]

mchou:

briand: huh?? most of that stuff is done by the backend

[04:53:43]

Klink:

SlicerDicer: do you use LiveTV with your DCT6000 successfully?

[04:53:55]

SlicerDicer-:

yep

[04:54:03]

briand:

mchou: no it is not. it is called by the backend, but the backend itself isn't doing the stuff.

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briand:

mythcommflagger is, or mythtranscode is, etc...

[04:54:20]

mchou:

briand: huh??

[04:54:36]

mchou:

the backend hardly ever calls the frontend

[04:54:37]

briand:

mythbackend is "idle" (thus, has no problems shutting down, even if commflagging is on-going)

[04:54:49]

briand:

no, not the frontend.

[04:55:06]

briand:

the frontend is not even running (if it was, the backend would never shut down)

[04:55:13]

mchou:

briand: I dont undestand what you're blabbering on about

[04:55:14]

Captain_Murdoch:

who's on first?

[04:55:26]

briand:

mchou: clearly.

[04:55:45]

mchou:

you wanna shutdown the frontend or the backend?

[04:55:58]

briand:

mythbackend will set the timer and shut itself off. but it will never do so if a) a frontend is connected, or b) it's busy.

[04:56:16]

mchou:

briand: so?

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Captain_Murdoch:

try running mythwelcome from the command line as the mythtv user as "mythwelcome -v 2>&1 | tee mythwelcome.log" and see what gets logged to mythwelcome.log

[04:56:33]

mchou:

briand: nothin wrong with that

[04:56:36]

briand:

so, on a combined fe/be system, one runs 'mythwelcome' rather than 'mythfrontend' by default...

[04:56:50]

briand:

mchou: (you sound just like bud abbot when you say that... ;)

[04:57:14]

mchou:

briand: you didn't methion fe and be was on the same system

[04:57:22]

mchou:

mention*

[04:57:31]

briand:

okay, problem is, without mythwelcome, mythbackend will schedule the wakeup time and shutdown after the fe disconnects, as long as it (the be) isn't 'busy'

[04:57:40]

mchou:

I thought fe was on a separate machine

[04:57:53]

briand:

and, i watched this happen, in the midst of commflagging, last wednesday night.

[04:58:13]

briand:

so, now i'm looking at mythwelcome, which was born to solve that problem.

[04:58:19]

mchou:

briand: you watched exactly what happen?

[04:58:41]

robbins876:

man, i just installed a 120mm window fan in my case and it brought the temp. by 15 deg. celsius... that's insane!

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briand:

mchou: i watched mythbackend shut down while commercial flagging the program it had just finished recording.

[04:59:02]

mchou:

briand: so?

[04:59:16]

robbins876:

how do i tell if my programs have been transcoded already or not?

[04:59:18]

mchou:

briand: I dont see why that's a disaster

[04:59:23]

briand:

mchou: this is _prior_ to doing anything with mythwelcome — only using the stuff in mythtv-setup to control it.

[04:59:35]

mchou:

commflag always pcks up where it left off

[04:59:42]

mchou:

picks*

[04:59:54]

briand:

mchou: well, it would do the same during transcoding... or downloading listings, or anything else not done directly by the backend

[05:00:08]

briand:

and, yes, commflagging picked up where it left off when the machine restarted.

[05:00:20]

mchou:

briand: so what's the big deal?

[05:00:51]

briand:

well, i'm just guessing that the transcoding wouldn't pick up where it left off, nor would the listings download.

[05:00:52]

robbins876:

anyone going to tell me? I've been asking for days and still haven't gotten a response

[05:01:41]

mchou:

briand: you're problem is assuming that myth will shut itself down in the middle of a transcoding job. I dont think it will

[05:01:43]

Captain_Murdoch:

if you're transcoding to nuppel, then just look at the filename. if you're transcoding to mpeg2, look at the timestamp on the file to see if it is later than the endtime of the recording.

[05:02:01]

robbins876:

in myth, captain?

[05:02:12]

briand:

mchou: it will. this is exactly why 'mythwelcome' was born, and is included in the distribution.

[05:02:27]

mchou:

briand: commflag may be the only exception.

[05:02:44]

mchou:

briand: I am referring to mythwelcome

[05:03:09]

mchou:

briand: sheesh

[05:03:14]

robbins876:

so it would transcode to nuv?

[05:03:26]

briand:

mchou: okay. mythwelcome will -NOT- shut the machine down in the midst of commflagging, transcoding, or database listings downloads

[05:03:29]

briand:

i agree.

[05:03:47]

briand:

so, let's start over. take mythwelcome completely out of the picture.

[05:03:53]

mchou:

briand: no, I dont think that statement is completely true

[05:04:11]

mchou:

the exception is commflag

[05:04:36]

briand:

the backend can be set up to shut down automatically, I did so, and it worked, except that it shuts down when myth processes, external to mythbackend are still running.

[05:04:42]

briand:

thus the reason for mythwelcome.

[05:04:56]

mchou:

briand: stfu about mythwelcome

[05:04:57]

briand:

mchou: no, no, no. commflagging is not the exception in mythwelcome.

[05:05:11]

briand:

okay.

[05:05:12]

mchou:

I AM referring to mythwelcome

[05:05:23]

briand:

okay, i will refer to it as well.

[05:05:34]

briand:

it WILL NOT SHUT DOWN WHILE COMMFLAGGING IS RUNNING.

[05:05:38]

mchou:

you can manually shut down myth be at ANY time

[05:05:43]

briand:

i know this, because i watch it "waiting"

[05:05:50]

mchou:

briand: lol

[05:05:55]

briand:

after the commflagging is done, the "countdown" begins

[05:06:09]

briand:

nothing is now running, but it still won't shut the machine down

[05:06:15]

mchou:

briand: you JUST said I saw myth BE shut down DURING a flagging JOB

[05:06:26]

briand:

mchou: yes, I did.

[05:06:40]

mchou:

briand: so make up your fscking mind

[05:07:01]

briand:

on wednesday, before i started using mythwelcome, i was using the auto shutdown/wakeup facility -built-into-mythbackend-

[05:07:14]

briand:

in other words, i wasn't running mythwelcome.

[05:07:18]

briand:

at that time.

[05:07:25]

briand:

this is why i wanted to run mythwelcome.

[05:07:34]

briand:

okay? with me so far?

[05:07:45]

robbins876:

what the hell is mythwelcome

[05:08:04]

mchou:

briand: dude!! wtf is your problem?? wtf do you need to repeat this shit incessantly?

[05:08:20]

mchou:

briand: way ahead of you

[05:08:51]

briand:

mchou: it's not working. and, from your questions, you're not understanding the problem i'm having with it... or i'm not understanding your understanding of my problem.

[05:09:24]

briand:

mythwelcome running on the machine. backend idle, no myth processes ongoing, no scheduled recordings due for hours.

[05:09:48]

briand:

mythwelcome counts down.. usually stops at 10 seconds, sometimes stops at 0 seconds. never shuts the machine down.

[05:09:52]

briand:

that's the problem.

[05:10:24]

mchou:

so?? RUN the full BACKEND logs to see what commands it issues (like shutdown)

[05:10:47]

mchou:

briand: how many times I gotta say this shit?

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briand:

mchou: until i get it through my head, I guess.

[05:11:24]

mchou:

and if nothing there shows up, run the full mythwelcome logs

[05:11:32]

briand:

ah, there we go

[05:11:37]

briand:

now the crux of the situation.

[05:11:57]

briand:

where, if anywhere, does one set the logging level for mythwelcome, and where does it put the log?

[05:12:23]

briand:

because, as mythbackend isn't shutting anything down (mythwelcome is supposed to), there's nothing about it in the mythbackend log.

[05:12:23]

mchou:

briand: not to mention the mythwelcome full docs are here: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Mythwelcome

[05:12:41]

briand:

mchou: i have read them.

[05:12:54]

Captain_Murdoch:

mythwelcome -v all

[05:12:56]

mchou:

so?

[05:13:05]

mchou:

briand: call mythshutdown

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briand:

mchou: yes, i've done that. lots of times.

[05:14:41]

mchou:

briand: all this shit is fully documented under MYTHBACKEND SETUP OPTIONS

[05:14:54]

briand:

i don't know how else to say this. it does not shut down.

[05:15:18]

mchou:

"Because 'mythshutdown --shutdown' needs to run grub/lilo, reboot, poweroff

[05:15:18]

mchou:

and nvram-wakeup all of which require root privileges if you don't run the mythbackend

[05:15:18]

mchou:

as root you will have to use sudo to give mythshutdown root privileges and change the

[05:15:19]

mchou:

Server Halt command to 'sudo mythshutdown --shutdown'.

[05:15:31]

briand:

chris: i added the -v all to the invocation line in myth-load.sh in my Autostart folder.

[05:15:32]

mchou:

notice the word root

[05:15:41]

briand:

yes and i even know what it means.

[05:15:56]

briand:

did we not cover the sudoers file 35 minutes ago, at the start of this thread???

[05:16:02]

mchou:

briand: so wtf are you blabbing about user mythtv?

[05:16:14]

briand:

did i not mention that i can run all those commands, as the mythtv user, from the terminal with no problems?

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mchou:

briand: which part of "root" did you not understand?

[05:16:48]

briand:

blabbing? why would the root account run "sudo mythshutdown --shutdown" ?? have -YOU- read this file?

[05:17:31]

mchou:

briand: I just quoted WHY it needs root

[05:17:48]

mchou:

briand: Do you have ADD or what?

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briand:

mchou: no, not at all.

[05:20:20]

briand:

45 minutes ago, I explained how (and why) I set up /etc/sudoers for those commands

[05:20:22]

mchou:

briand: here is that quote AGAIN: Because 'mythshutdown --shutdown' needs to run grub/lilo, reboot, poweroff

[05:20:22]

mchou:

and nvram-wakeup all of which require root privileges if you don't run the mythbackend

[05:20:22]

mchou:

as root you will have to use sudo to give mythshutdown root privileges and change the

[05:20:23]

mchou:

Server Halt command to 'sudo mythshutdown --shutdown'.

[05:20:41]

briand:

and, how I can now run those commands, as the mythtv user (via sudo) from the terminal.

[05:20:54]

mchou:

sigh.....

[05:20:59]

briand:

mythwelcome also runs (and therefore shells) as the mythtv user.

[05:21:58]

mchou:

briand: right. Think real hard about that a minute any why you need sudo

[05:22:31]

briand:

and?

[05:22:35]

mchou:

lol

[05:23:36]

mchou:

briand: you need your brain wired up my friend. Drugs fried too many of your snapses

[05:23:45]

mchou:

synapses

[05:24:17]

briand:

okay, rather than taking the route you're on... how 'bout you just tell me what you think is wrong with my sudo setup.

[05:24:29]

mchou:

briand: wtf!

[05:24:49]

briand:

since, as i've mentioned numerous times, it's set up, and ALL of those commands work under the mythtv user with "sudo <command>" now.

[05:24:56]

briand:

all of them.

[05:25:08]

briand:

at the terminal... but not via mythwelcome.

[05:25:14]

mchou:

briand: why do I need to diagnose your sudo setup when you cant just follow what the docs say re mythwelcome??

[05:25:42]

briand:

omg. are you truly this dense? I have followed the docs!!!!! that's what I'm am friggin' saying, already. sheesh.

[05:25:44]

mchou:

briand: the BIG hint is you KNOW it works as ROOT

[05:25:49]

briand:

no

[05:26:12]

briand:

the big hint is i KNOW it works as ROOT, and I KNOW it (now) works thru sudo as the mythtv user.

[05:26:22]

Captain_Murdoch:

what's on second?

[05:26:35]

mchou:

Captain_Murdoch: man, I've giving up on this sap

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briand:

mchou: so, in other words, you have no idea why it's failing, either. you could have just said that.

[05:27:08]

mchou:

briand: ol

[05:27:11]

mchou:

lol*

[05:28:01]

briand:

and, if it's so damn obvious to you what the problem might be, just come right out and say it.. you can save your insults for another time.

[05:28:09]

mchou:

briand: if you can run all those commands mentioned in the quote as user mythtv then maybe everything ought to work :)

[05:28:31]

briand:

maybe it should. and, maybe why I'm asking the freakin' question is that it doesn't.

[05:28:45]

mchou:

briand: lol

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mchou:

briand: first, all you mentioned was: <briand> mchou: exactly my quandary. if i run "sudo /root/wakeupat ..." as mythtv, it sets the /proc/acpi/alarm .. if i run "shutdown -h now" as mythtv, it shuts down. but, putting those in mythwelcome does not shut the system down.

[05:30:45]

briand:

that's correct.

[05:30:48]

mchou:

briand: you didnt mention shit about lilo, nvram-wakeup, etc

[05:31:10]

mchou:

reboot, poweroff, etc.

[05:31:33]

briand:

y'know why? because I don't need to run lilo/grub, or reboot.. because my machine does not require a reboot for the settings to take effect. that's there for computers that DO need that stuff.

[05:31:51]

mchou:

huh??

[05:32:07]

mchou:

your computer doent need poweroff? lol

[05:32:16]

briand:

those commands, in mythwelcome's setup, are empty, as they are not needed. I have also tried entering "exit 0" instead of leaving them blank, just in case the executable is looking for a return value

[05:32:19]

mchou:

maybe that's why it's not shutting down :)

[05:32:44]

Klink:

anyone out there using an al850 sound card that can get there pcm out a digital port?

[05:33:06]

briand:

I didn't say it doesn't need /sbin/poweroff, I said it doesn't need reboot or grub/lilo reconfiguring.

[05:33:59]

briand:

poweroff, shutdown, nvram-wakeup, and mythshutdown are all configured in the /etc/sudoers file, and the mythtv user can perform those commands at the terminal prompt.

[05:34:17]

briand:

as i have mentioned. :)

[05:34:38]

mchou:

briand: bullshit. show me where you mentioned that earlier

[05:36:05]

briand:

which time? I cannot show you the first, because we have exceeded the scrollback limit of my irc client

[05:36:13]

briand:

I'm sure it's in the logs on beirdo's site.

[05:36:29]

mchou:

briand: so, copy it from beirdo's logs

[05:36:32]

briand:

many of the subsequent attempts to say that are still here.

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mchou:

briand: point to one where poweroff is mentioned (except the last one a few secs ago)

[05:37:16]

defaultro:

good evening folks

[05:37:40]

mchou:

briand: or reboot for that matter

[05:37:56]

defaultro:

is .20 going to be release tomorrow?

[05:38:42]

briand:

mchou: in addition to reboot, should I also mention the thousands of other commands that I don't have in my /etc/sudoers file, because I don't need to run them for this operation?

[05:39:16]

mchou:

briand: no, I just asked for poweroff/reboot. stop dodging

[05:39:39]

briand:

and, rather than arguing semantics about which specific command I might have or might not have mentioned, how about actually helping to solve the problem?

[05:40:08]

mchou:

briand: you're still dodging. You should become a lawyer for SCO

[05:40:44]

mchou:

briand: show me the timestamp where you mentioned "poweroff" in sudoers

[05:40:52]

briand:

y'know, if the lawyers for SCO had to prepare their briefs in SCO System V, they'd be way behind in their case prep....

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briand:

mchou: I didn't, but i mentioned "shutdown -h now"

[05:41:21]

mchou:

briand: which is NOT poweroff

[05:41:23]

briand:

...which is the command I've put in mythwelcome's setup page.

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briand:

so it ignores the input command and runs /sbin/poweroff. you could have said that an hour ago.

[05:41:51]

mchou:

briand: who cares? That's not what the mythwelcom docs said to use

[05:42:18]

briand:

mchou: it is what is in the mythwelcome's setup file as a default.

[05:42:52]

mchou:

briand: I did say it long time ago: [22:15:18] <mchou> "Because 'mythshutdown --shutdown' needs to run grub/lilo, reboot, poweroff

[05:43:10]

mchou:

that's almost 0.5 hrs ago

[05:44:13]

briand:

so, if mythshutdown is ignoring the command line for the "command to shut down the system" and using /sbin/poweroff, are the other commands (for reboot and grub/lilo) also ignored in the setup?

[05:44:27]

briand:

and, if so, why are they in the setup?

[05:44:48]

mchou:

sigh....

[05:47:15]

briand:

mchou: my configured command, per the defaults, was "sudo /sbin/shutdown -h now", not "/sbin/poweroff" there was no configured command for editing/switching grub/lilo, nor for rebooting. (because my system does not require rebooting, or playing games with grub/lilo, to set the wakeup time in nvram)

[05:47:32]

mchou:

lol

[05:47:59]

mchou:

what the hell is the issue you have with the mythwelcome docs?

[05:48:09]

briand:

so, what you're inferring is that /sbin/poweroff is called by mythbackend --shutdown, so I've added that to the /etc/sudoers file for the mythtv user.

[05:48:21]

mchou:

mythshutdown does all checks

[05:48:27]

briand:

i have no issue with them.

[05:48:43]

mchou:

then stfu and do as the docs say

[05:48:46]

briand:

understood.. and mythshutdown's config is shared with mythwelcome's.

[05:49:02]

mchou:

if you dont need nvram-wakeup and crap dont use it

[05:52:18]

briand:

what the docs don't say is, (according to your inference) despite what you may enter as the command to shut down the system in mythwelcome/mythshutdown's configuration, /sbin/poweroff will be used.

[05:52:48]

briand:

so, why would any sane person, who didn't put /sbin/poweroff as the shutdown command, add that to his/her /etc/sudoers file?

[05:52:48]

mchou:

briand: are you daft?

[05:52:59]

briand:

mchou: no, are you?

[05:53:23]

briand:

there are four spots to enter commands in the setup for those functions.

[05:53:33]

mchou:

briand: if you're trying to get a rise by being a pest you're failing miserably

[05:54:18]

briand:

mchou: I'm not trying to get a rise, I'm trying to explain the problem. I'm truly sorry that my attempt has been ineffective in explaining the problem sufficiently so that you can understand it.

[05:55:17]

mchou:

which part of "mythwelcome -d" dont you grok?

[05:55:59]

briand:

-d ??

[05:56:07]

mchou:

fuck

[05:56:27]

mchou:

RTFM dude

[05:57:37]

briand:

I have, several times. nowhere in that file does it mention anything about a 'mythwelcome -d' line. it says to replace your "mythfrontend" with "mythwelcome"

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mchou:

briand: stfu

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mchou:

the manual clearly mentions -d option

[05:59:31]

mchou:

Captain_Murdoch: no good deed goes unpunished apparently

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briand:

if obfuscation is "good" then you've done a good deed. You seem to be deliberately ignoring and/or feigning misunderstanding of my stated problem in an attempt to prevent me or anyone else from discovering that, just maybe, you don't know the answer.

[06:02:36]

briand:

and, it is clear to me, you don't.

[06:03:01]

mchou:

briand: yeah, whatever, you pea-brain

[06:03:03]

briand:

so, you can simply 'stfu' yourself, to coin your own phrase.

[06:03:39]

briand:

and, at no point did I have to resort to name calling or other denigration, as you have.

[06:04:38]

mchou:

briand: right. [22:25:42] <briand> omg. are you truly this dense? I have followed the docs!!!!! that's what I'm am friggin' saying, already. sheesh.

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mchou:

briand: apparently your brain is so small you dont recall what you said earlier

[06:06:08]

mchou:

briand: lay off the drugs and the booze

[06:06:18]

Klink:

Hey SlicerDicer, am successfully record a hidef movie as we speak...you rock...frontend is play off pvr350...me happy

[06:06:27]

mchou:

briand: you need all the synapses you can get.

[06:06:28]

SlicerDicer-:

:)

[06:06:44]

briand:

my term is still giving me indications that he continues on, even though i've put him on ignore. in the event he has put me on ignore, someone can tell him to save his energy for something productive.

[06:06:52]

SlicerDicer-:

Klink: I dont know if the PVR350 will allow HDTV playback though as it may not be fast enough for HD

[06:07:05]

madd_matt:

I have a wierd problems with my listings — Starting sunday, the channels all shift off by one. They're okay right now, but I went to scedule a recording for sunday, and noticed that the channels all shift down one around 1:30 AM sunday :s

[06:07:09]

SlicerDicer-:

Klink: I use a 4800SE Nvidia for HD playback its pretty powerful. My old gaming GPU :)

[06:07:29]

Klink:

sorry, I'm watching pvr350 on the FE, BE is recording of 6200

[06:07:36]

Klink:

FE is 6600GT

[06:07:41]

SlicerDicer-:

Klink: I am soon to change it to a 6600GT though for purposes of 480P out

[06:08:06]

SlicerDicer-:

my tv does not do HD :/

[06:08:07]

Klink:

ya, that's what I'm doing right now...well, not really...i have an EDTV plasma

[06:08:16]

SlicerDicer-:

how does 480P look?

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Klink:

great.....I find that the higher the better...my plasma does 848x480 and I'm using dvi

[06:09:09]

CCFL_Man_:

EDTV plasma is such a tease

[06:09:31]

Klink:

heh....I got the panny commercial grade which is fantastic

[06:09:36]

SlicerDicer-:

I want to get a HDTV but I cant afford it

[06:09:43]

SlicerDicer-:

or is it justify?

[06:09:44]

SlicerDicer-:

haha

[06:09:56]

Klink:

i'll wait...the only thing that might just look good is the xbox 360

[06:09:57]

mchou:

CCFL_Man_: what do you mean by that, EDTV is a tease?

[06:10:48]

mchou:

I dont think most ppl nd tell the diff betw. EDTV and HDTV at the optimal viewing distance

[06:10:57]

mchou:

s/nd/can

[06:11:00]

CCFL_Man_:

it's like a widescreen vesa monitor

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Klink:

SlicerDicer: the 960x544 downloads you'll find online look fantastic

[06:11:23]

SlicerDicer-:

?

[06:11:48]

mchou:

Klink: what downloads?

[06:12:24]

Klink:

if you download video from the net, ie prerecorded tv, the hidef stuff is usually 960x544

[06:12:30]

Klink:

or 960x540

[06:12:38]

mchou:

Klink: huh?

[06:12:58]

mchou:

prerecoded tv? as in ABC?

[06:13:01]

SlicerDicer-:

I dont download videos I record them :) in 1080i or 1080p no less :)

[06:13:45]

mchou:

Klink: you mean the ones with commercials that you cant skip over?

[06:13:49]

Klink:

ah yes...but until tonite my 6200 was sucking ass...I would use rss/bittorrent to get my hidef tv

[06:14:12]

mchou:

sigh

[06:14:31]

madd_matt:

I'm getting a very strange off-by-one problem with my TV listings. Its only 2 days in the future that they're off. If i run mythfilldatabase it fixes it for the immiate time, but thats just wierd. :(

[06:14:37]

Klink:

you gotta do what you gotta do

[06:15:42]

mchou:

madd_matt: nothing weird about it

[06:15:55]

madd_matt:

mchou, what?

[06:16:15]

mchou:

madd_matt: mythfilldb refreshes every day by default for the next day

[06:16:44]

Klink:

but regardless of the source, I think edtv is the perfect compromise for price versus quality

[06:16:53]

mchou:

madd_matt: so even if all listings are garbage it wouldnt matter as long as tommorow's is correct

[06:17:11]

madd_matt:

Well yes, but it shouldn't be screwing up the future listings. Like, Today and tomorrow are fine in my listings. But Monday, the channels aren't right. Stuff that plays on channel 5 is listed as being on channel 6.

[06:17:42]

briand:

mythfilldatabase --refresh-all

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Klink:

and when 1080p is more prevalent, retire the edtv to the bedroom ;)

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SlicerDicer-:

hehe

[06:24:22]

SlicerDicer-:

Klink: have you seen 1080p?

[06:24:29]

SlicerDicer-:

I mean the real deal :)

[06:25:06]

Klink:

only a 360 playing at the local store

[06:25:21]

Klink:

but where do you get real 1080p source?

[06:25:49]

Klink:

what does a regular dvd look like playing at 1080p?

[06:26:03]

Klink:

and on a 42" or less set can you really tell?

[06:26:41]

SlicerDicer-:

umm

[06:26:43]

SlicerDicer-:

yeah?

[06:27:05]

SlicerDicer-:

ok to give you a idea

[06:27:37]

SlicerDicer-:

I will shoot you a sample of 1080p :)

[06:27:54]

Klink:

sure...are you recording 1080p?

[06:28:30]

hatredx:

only 1080p sources are blueray at this moment

[06:28:43]

SlicerDicer-:

I am pretty sure its 1080p

[06:28:53]

SlicerDicer-:

it does not appear to be interlaced

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hatredx:

xbox 360 is NOT 1080p

[06:29:22]

hatredx:

dvd's are upconverted by the dvd player or the tv

[06:29:22]

Klink:

well, then I have NOT seen real 1080p

[06:29:29]

hatredx:

i have on my tv

[06:29:31]

hatredx:

its awsome

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SlicerDicer-:

its sexy

[06:29:37]

SlicerDicer-:

beyond awesome :)

[06:29:44]

hatredx:

yea, not enought sources though

[06:29:50]

hatredx:

but games (pc) looks freaking sweet

[06:30:00]

hatredx:

1920x1080 mmmmmm

[06:30:00]

Klink:

show me a source I can download....I've got a 1920x1200 monitor

[06:30:16]

hatredx:

a source to download?

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SlicerDicer-:

Klink: I am going to dcc you about a 20 second sample

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SlicerDicer-:

otherwise its too huge

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Klink:

no worries

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hatredx:

dvd's on a 1080p looks great still

[06:31:04]

SlicerDicer-:

check that out hatredx

[06:31:25]

SlicerDicer-:

its chopped down of course

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SlicerDicer-:

small amount of video :)

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hatredx:

no dcc =p

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SlicerDicer-:

you dont use it?

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Klink:

here in canda, or here in vancovuer, we only have 12 hidef channels...doesn't warrant a 1080p set just yet

[06:32:52]

SlicerDicer-:

I love watching doco's in HD

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SlicerDicer-:

Klink: be sure to watch the video at 100%

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Klink:

and it appears that the cable company here randomly enable 5c....ya, we just got discoveryhd

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SlicerDicer-:

cause I doubt your monitor will be able to handle the full res

[06:33:25]

SlicerDicer-:

but if you blow it up to where its off the screen in size

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SlicerDicer-:

you can see the true detail

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SlicerDicer-:

be sure you have XVMC or something you cpu will have a heartattack otherwise :)

[06:35:48]

Klink:

still dling

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SlicerDicer-:

indeed

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Klink:

hmmm...I wonder how they'll ever get 1080p over iptv

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fysa:

H264 :)

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SlicerDicer-:

Klink: thats only 1440 frames of video btw

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SlicerDicer-:

fysa: barf! ;-) I want raw mpeg2 damnnit

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fysa:

H264 will do 720p at 5000kbps beautifully.

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fysa:

So figure 10mbps for 1080p

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SlicerDicer-:

or just get friggin fiber to the home and not worry about it?

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fysa:

Properly telecined 1080i will yield 1080p with a display.

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fysa:

er

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fysa:

s/display/good display.

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SlicerDicer-:

yeah but interlaced bites

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fysa:

That's what the telecine is for..

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fysa:

it gives your display perfect cues to turn that into a true 1080p signal.

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fysa:

so you don't see interlacing artifacts.

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SlicerDicer-:

I dont see how it can?

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fysa:

1080i @ 60fps

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fysa:

-> 1080p @ 24fps

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SlicerDicer-:

I mean interlaced means its missing every other line

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SlicerDicer-:

right?

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fysa:

They broadcast it at 60fps, but the movie is actually still only 24fps.

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Klink:

that's what I though

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fysa:

Your display can turn that 1080i 60fps into 1080p 24fps by combining/skipping frames properly.

[06:40:59]

Klink:

so back to my 960x540 videos...which is reallly the same thing as 1080i

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fysa:

If it's twice the frame rate, each frame can have half the information and still contain everything.

[06:41:09]

fysa:

no, 960x540 is a cop-out.

[06:41:27]

Klink:

you think

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fysa:

That's how an older display will make 1080i progressive..

[06:42:11]

fysa:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1080p#Broadcasts

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SlicerDicer-:

ahh I can see clearly now the rain is gone ;-)

[06:43:04]

fysa:

There's no standard for broadcasting 1080p and likely won't be one for some time.

[06:43:17]

SlicerDicer-:

fysa: 960x540 is not even close to 720p right?

[06:43:24]

Klink:

no not at all

[06:43:27]

SlicerDicer-:

cause I have quite a few 720p videos and they look remarkable

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fysa:

720p is nearly twice as many pixels as 960x540.

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fysa:

1080p is just over twice as many pixels as 1080p

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SlicerDicer-:

heh

[06:44:07]

SlicerDicer-:

typos rock

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fysa:

er.

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fysa:

haha

[06:44:23]

fysa:

twice as many as 720p.

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SlicerDicer-:

I know what you mean thoughj

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Klink:

960x540 is how man pixels 1080i is, correct?

[06:44:36]

fysa:

So if your display is converting 1080i to 540p, you're only viewing 1/4th of the total pixels available.

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SlicerDicer-:

Klink: not even close mate

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SlicerDicer-:

Klink: 1920x1200 is 1080i

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fysa:

1920x1080 — interlaced, so 1920x540.

[06:45:11]

fysa:

But with twice the framerate..

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Klink:

1080i is interlaced

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SlicerDicer-:

bah oops

[06:45:19]

Klink:

so half it

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fysa:

so over the course of a second, you get just as much information

[06:45:50]

Klink:

but really...doesn't it all depend on viewing distance?

[06:45:52]

fysa:

So you can either take those 540 vertical pixels and interleave them, like many 1080i CRTs do

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fysa:

or you can use pull-up(I think that's right) to deinterlace them into a progressive signal — which is what most LCDs or DLPs will do.

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SlicerDicer-:

ok screw HDTV I am going to go throw a brick at a tv now

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fysa:

digital displays don't like interlacing. ;)

[06:46:43]

SlicerDicer-:

I just know it looks nice

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SlicerDicer-:

Klink: did you check out that video btw?

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fysa:

The real problem with broadcast HD is the limited bitrate..

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Klink:

i can't play it

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Klink:

or it won't play in vlc or wmp

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fysa:

11–18mbps just isn't really enough for HD with MPEG2..

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fysa:

Klink: Get Media Player Classic?

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SlicerDicer-:

Klink: mplayer?

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Klink:

don't have linux on my main boxen

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Klink:

don't be haten

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SlicerDicer-:

heh

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fysa:

http://sourceforge.net/projects/guliverkli/

[06:49:44]

fysa:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Media_Player_Classic

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fysa:

I'm really hitting wikipedia hard tonight.

[06:50:46]

Klink:

ya...it's working

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Klink:

it's sweet...should be reason enough to slap linux on my workstation

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SlicerDicer-:

is the video giving your cpu a heart attack?

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Klink:

and you're right, it's killing vlc

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Klink:

in windows

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fysa:

CoreAVC will play it well.

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fysa:

ffdshow should play it better than VLC also I think.

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Klink:

And I have a 7800gtx and dual 252 opterons

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SlicerDicer-:

Klink: I can run it on a 1.4ghz Tbird :)

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SlicerDicer-:

with a mx440 for a gfx card

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** SlicerDicer- loves gpu decoding **

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Klink:

bah...ok...I'll install linux

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SlicerDicer-:

well its midnight I am off to sleep

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SlicerDicer-:

gnite

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Klink:

dude, thanks for all your help btw

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Klink:

though if your bfg9000 works I might just have to get a better tv

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SlicerDicer-:

no problem Klink

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Klink:

fysa: so most 1080p tv's (affordable) are around 40"...what's the proper viewing distance?

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fysa:

With HD, 1.5x screen width (or is it diagonal?) works.. but I don't personally see the point of going 1080p if you're less than 50–60" ;)

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fysa:

even 720p looks spectacular at 40"

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fysa:

then you can save your money for a bigger 1080p when they become more affordable

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Klink:

and what do you have?

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fysa:

720p front projector, 106" screen :)

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fysa:

waiting until 1080p front projectors become affordable..

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Klink:

I've thought a lot about the projector route....do you use a screen

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Klink:

btw...mpc did the trick

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fysa:

yeah, Da-Lite High Power 2.8 gain.. helps a ton during day-time

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Klink:

what projector

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fysa:

Sanyo Z2, few years old now

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fysa:

avsforum.com is where you want to go to read about projectors

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Klink:

dvi?

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fysa:

yep

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Klink:

do you think hdmi is going to be important in the future?

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fysa:

HDMI can easily be converted to DVI

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fysa:

HDMI just adds audio to the mix and gives you a smaller/more manageable connector

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Klink:

yes...I guess it doesn't matter if you go the mythtv route

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fysa:

you won't have audio coming out of your projector, so it won't matter much ;)

[07:07:24]

fysa:

but HDCP is what you need for bluray/hd-dvd stuff..

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Klink:

because of drm?

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fysa:

The Z2, even though it has a DVD connector, supports HDCP — but it's iffy just because the projector came out just as it was being standardized.

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fysa:

you could easily find one for not much more money that supports it fully

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fysa:

but HDMI can be converted to DVI and back without problem

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Klink:

so there's no drm issues with dvi?

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fysa:

HDCP is the DRM stuff

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fysa:

you can have HDCP with either a DVI or HDMI connector

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Klink:

ah, ok...but again, meaningless if you're running myth

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fysa:

right

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Klink:

personally, I think the projector is the only way to go...40" and 1080p can't be that good playing low deff content

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fysa:

well, standard definition doesn't look so hot at 106" either ;)

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Klink:

that's exactly the problem...you can apply some filters but you're still stretching

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fysa:

I have both a 36" CRT (standard def) and the projector hooked up to my myth box..

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fysa:

and a button on my remote that switches the output between the two

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Klink:

but I have to think that the projector is more forgiving

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fysa:

so when I want to watch projector, I pull the screen down from the ceiling and it covers the TV

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fysa:

it's hard to beat for only $1k..

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Klink:

ya...nice when you have the space...

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fysa:

and the projector itself hangs from the ceiling above the couch.. 10 feet from the screen

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Klink:

I still love my panny for low def

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fysa:

you have a projector?

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Klink:

no...plasma

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fysa:

ohh, that's why you have 960x540

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Klink:

well, actually native resolution is 848x480

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fysa:

EDTV or something

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Klink:

yeah...but downsampled clips look amazing on it

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fysa:

yeah, I wouldn't mind having a plasma on the wall that I could pull the projector screen down in front of ;)

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Klink:

but the downsampling is totally software

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Klink:

well..it was relatively cheap for the commercial version

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fysa:

my 36" CRT is an old Sony .. even with component it's only 480i

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fysa:

but good enough for daytime TV

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Klink:

here in canada i'm still not sold on recording hdtv with myth...slicerdicer helped me a lot but I'll have to wait and see...I may just live with downloading content from newservers or bittorrent

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fysa:

bed time

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Klink:

l8r dude

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ShockValue:

heya

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ShockValue:

is it possible to run mythbackend on one box, and mythweb on another? I have a "web" box already set up and would like to keep the www stuff concentrated on one box

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ShockValue:

[mythweb/apache, 10.1.1.5]<--->[mythbackend,10.1.1.6]<--->[mythfrontend,10.1.1.200]

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Klink:

I was wondering the same thing

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Klink:

mythbackend treats the web as a separate client so you would think it would

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ShockValue:

yeah

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ShockValue:

just figured i wouldnt re-invent the wheel if someoen already knew it could/couldnt be done

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ShockValue:

here's a "yes" answer, without much detail: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/ . . . erate;#40011

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Klink:

I have "the server" and another myth backend that handles the recording...i'd like to only have apache running on "the server"

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ShockValue:

ooo this one looks good too: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/ . . . rate;#152118

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Klink:

getting past bedtime....will worry about this later

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ShockValue:

possible to run mythweb in IIS?

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e4:

anyone use the audigy platinum edition?

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e4:

specifically the livedrive w/remote?

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Klink:

i did e4

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Klink:

but I gave up

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e4:

heh just couldn't ever get it working?

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Klink:

smoked the soundblaster completely

[09:19:09]

e4:

whoa, what??

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Klink:

not physically smoked...just pulled it out of the system

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e4:

hm...

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Klink:

I have real issues getting pcm out of digital port

[09:20:31]

e4:

like you could never get the soundblaster itself working?

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Klink:

na, it worked, like getting xine 5.1 output and stuff...but never with analog pcm out the digital port

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e4:

what os did you use?

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Klink:

fc5

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Klink:

fc4

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e4:

hm... ditto

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e4:

well, I just want the remote to work, heh

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Klink:

after seeing jarod's guide I thought I'd be home free...and it did work for a while ... but then it just stopped and I was fcuked

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Klink:

I pulled it and got on board sound working for a while and now I'm totally hooped...I get ac5.1 out of the digital port but nothing out the analog port

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Fnc:

wooo on board sound

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e4:

it's not that bad anymore, heh

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Klink:

I think that whatever problems I have are in the .state file

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Klink:

but regardless...I just recorded my first hidef movie...thanks to all the help I got from this channel

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e4:

not sweet!

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e4:

lol whoa, not sure when I typed not!

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e4:

sweet Klink :)

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|marvin|:

hello there

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Juski:

hey |marvin|

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Juski:

eerily quiet again innit?

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GreyFoxx:

The calm before the storm

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GreyFoxx:

once 0.20 comes out it will be a flood of users for a bit

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Juski:

heh

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Juski:

anyone seen hamsta (ubuntu unsung hero dude) around lately?

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Juski:

I have a bone to pick with him about the installer trying to create the 'mythtv' user... I could be wrong but I think it totally screws things up if there's already a user called 'mythtv'

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Juski:

found the right channel now, batzzzz ? ;-)

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batzzzz:

thanks

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Juski:

pvr250 static eh? does the cat /dev/video0 test work?

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janneg:

Juski: he was until a hour ago in #mythtv-de

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batzzzz:

i am trying to get knoppmyth to work i cannot get my pvr 250 to show anything but grey static even after changing

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batzzzz:

hold on be right back

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Juski:

the fact you get static at least proves the hardware (kind of) works

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batzzzz:

well i compiled and isntalled 7.0 ivtv last night still no change

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Juski:

possible causes are choosing the wrong frequency table and not actually having any frequencies stored for the channels you set up

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batzzzz:

also changed cable to cable hrc

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batzzzz:

tuner type 2 to 39

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Juski:

also check the coax is actually plugged into the card!

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batzzzz:

the cat /dev/video0 test shows a lot of odd character similar to the matrix but not 0s and 1s

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batzzzz:

this seems to be a reoccuring issue

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batzzzz:

i have seen it at lot on the net

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batzzzz:

how do i tell what current version of ivtv is loaded jsut to make sure

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Juski:

I meant cat /dev/video0 > test.mpg

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Juski:

then after a bit, ctrl C & try to play the mpg file

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Juski:

you'd obviously need to tune the pvr card to a TV station using ivtvtune.pl or whatever replaced it though

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batzzzz:

its playing and it is static

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batzzzz:

should i go thruogh mythtv setup again?

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Juski:

not yet

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Juski:

you might have the wrong tuner type selected in your ivtv driver setup

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Juski:

what you need to do is try to find out by a process of elimination which tuner type it is, tune it to a channel you know has a signal on it & test it

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Juski:

that might take a while

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batzzzz:

how do i do that?

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Juski:

what make you say "tuner type 2 to 39" ? Was it that you've tried the ivtv module options will all the tuner types already?

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Juski:

s/make/made

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Hoxzer:

hmmm

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Hoxzer:

194e :( '

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batzzzz:

i just read that the phillips and LG come up incorrectly some time and i change the ivtv file to show that

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batzzzz:

and tested both after restarting backend

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batzzzz:

i havent tried all the module types

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batzzzz:

should i leave the setting to cable or cable hrc to test them

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batzzzz:

how far up do they go in ivtv .7.0

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batzzzz:

should i start at 1 and work my way up

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newmythuser:

sorry this is batzzzz on my myth machine

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newmythuser:

should i just change the tune type in ivtv and test it in xawtv or something?

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newmythuser:

can i just change the tuner type in ivtv and mplyer /dev/video0 tv:// to test the settings?

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newmythuser:

or do i need to go through the whole mythtv setup

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newmythuser:

?

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Juski:

you should just be able to change the tuner type, reload the ivtv module & test with mplayer

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newmythuser:

sorry stupid question upcoming: how do i reload the ivtv module?

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Juski:

rmmod ivtv

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Juski:

then

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Juski:

modprobe ivtv

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newmythuser:

ok

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newmythuser:

start at 1 and work my way up

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newmythuser:

tuner type

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newmythuser:

alias char-major-81 videodev

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newmythuser:

alias char-major-61 lirc_i2c

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newmythuser:

#options ivtv debug=1

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newmythuser:

#options tuner type=6start

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newmythuser:

options msp3400 once=1

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newmythuser:

install ivtv /sbin/modprobe tuner; /sbin/modprobe msp3400; /sbin/modprobe saa7115; /sbin/modprobe --ignore-install ivtv

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newmythuser:

remove ivtv /sbin/modprobe -r --ignore-remove ivtv && /sbin/modprobe -r saa7115 && /sbin/modprobe -r msp3400 && /sbin/modprobe -r tuner

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newmythuser:

there is my ivtv fille

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newmythuser:

start is not there'

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newmythuser:

just added

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newmythuser:

on accident

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newmythuser:

ERROR: Module ivtv is in use

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newmythuser:

rmmod ivtv gave me this

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newmythuser:

can i just load the module without rm?

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newmythuser:

modprbe ivtv

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newmythuser:

go it working tuner type = 50

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newmythuser:

how cool is that

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newmythuser:

thanks for help what do i need to do now?

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Juski:

woo you figured it out.. well done!

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newmythuser:

kudos

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newmythuser:

by the way i used rmmod ivtv -

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newmythuser:

then modprobe ivtv tuner=5

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newmythuser:

50

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newmythuser:

though instead of 5

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newmythuser:

i think i might have soem audio issues i have a via chipset

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newmythuser:

but i will be back later this is a start

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newmythuser:

cant wait to use my xbmc as a frontend

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newmythuser:

thanks again

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Juski:

don't bank on livetv working in xbmc

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_mac:

Hi. What is the default location of mythtv's fonts?

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tanq:

I need good suggestions for a quiet CPU fan

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tanq:

the fans labeled "quiet" or "silent" rarely are

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fryfrog:

I swear I saw a news blurb on mythtv.org about a feature freeze in preperation for 0.20, but now I don't see it anymore :/

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fryfrog:

tanq: go with a low watt cpu and a *huge* heatsink

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fryfrog:

also, you could look for sinks with *very* big fans

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fryfrog:

like 120mm or 80mm

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fryfrog:

bigger the fan, the slower it spins to move the same amount of air

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fryfrog:

slower is *usually* quieter

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tanq:

well the box i have is using and amd xp 1800+ cpu .. it was hand me down from my current box.

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tanq:

i was looking at the fans with the heat pipes

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fryfrog:

ah

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fryfrog:

yeah, those are not cold cpus

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fryfrog:

but a big sink with a big fan would be quiet

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fryfrog:

sure, sounds like it'd work

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tanq:

do you have an hd card?

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fryfrog:

i have an air2pc hd5000, but i haven't been using it for about a year :(

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fryfrog:

getting comcast qam cable working on a hd card is annoying as hell

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fryfrog:

reminds me, i need to ask defaulro how he did it

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tanq:

yeah charter stopped sending local hd unencrypted..

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tanq:

except for one station.

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newmythuser:

alright i am back for some more info

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newmythuser:

sorry

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newmythuser:

thought it worked properly

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newmythuser:

when i use rmmod ivtv -f and then modprobe ivtv tuner=39 mplayer will play the tuner video clear and great sound, I then edit the /etc/mythtv/modules/ivtv file to say tuner=39 but when I restart the mythtv the pictures are fuzzy and some are unclear or grey static. then when I come back to mplayer it now has the same type of picture as mythtv had

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dansmith_:

what does a dvb scan look like if it's finding channels?

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dansmith_:

I don't seem to be able to get any channels on cable or OTA

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newmythuser:

how do i do a dvb sca it is cable tv

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dansmith_:

newmythuser: I was asking an unrelated question, sorry :)

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newmythuser:

ok sorry

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newmythuser:

anyone know why the picture shows fine on pvr 250 in mplayer tuner 39 and not in mythtv

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fryfrog:

newmythuser: /etc/mythtv/modules/ivtv doesn't sound like the file you'd edit for module options

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fryfrog:

at least, to me

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fryfrog:

you are giving the kernel module options, so i'd imagine it'd be like /etc/modules.conf or /etc/modules.autoload.d/ or something

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fryfrog:

i dunno what distro you are using though

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newmythuser:

knoppmyth

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newmythuser:

deb

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newmythuser:

found etc/modules.conf file

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newmythuser:

there is not a line of ivtv just bttv

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newmythuser:

# The BTTV module does not load the tuner module automatically,

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newmythuser:

# so do that in here

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newmythuser:

post-install bttv insmod tuner

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newmythuser:

post-remove bttv rmmod tuner

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newmythuser:

that is what it has there

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tanq:

what do you guys think about an ati hdtv wonder tv tuner card? I already have a hauppage analog card that i'm using.

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Juski:

this is so funny.. never seen this channel so quiet on a weekend for ages

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Captain_Murdoch:

they're all watching the website in hopes that 0.20 will be released. kinda like kids on Christmas eve.

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dansmith_:

I've done a dvb scan, found a ton of channels, only some of which have anything on them, and have thrown out duplicates, supposedly

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dansmith_:

none of the channel numbers match up with my real cable lineup. Does that mean that I'm using the wrong frequency table?

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tank-man:

you guys know if not being able to use the "e" key to edit is a known problem?

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tank-man:

anyone else have this problem?

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tank-man:

.19

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gbee:

you mean you can't edit at all, or just that the e key doesn't work?

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gbee:

check the log, does it complain about there being no seek table?

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xris:

tank-man: only time I've seen that is when the program has lost its seek table. rebuild with `mythfilldatabase --rebuild`

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tank-man:

nothing in my mythbackend log, i''ll try running frontend from terminal to see output

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tank-man:

yea, nothing in logs, i'l;l try rebuild

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tank-man:

pressing "e" does nothing and pressing "m" for menu then picking edit does nothing

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tank-man:

--rebuild option is illegal

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gbee:

mythcommflag --rebuild

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gbee:

not mythfilldatabase

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tank-man:

:)

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jstew:

Hmm... is there a way to make Xvmc work good with nvidia fx5200/Bob x2/1080i?

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jstew:

Sound goes in oand out intermittently

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jstew:

I'm doing something odd too – my tv out is set to 640x480 because I do not have an HDTV yet, so I'm scaling too.

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tank-man:

Database error was:

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tank-man:

Can't open file: 'recordedmarkup.MYI' (errno: 145)

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tank-man:

what is that file for?

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tank-man:

i'm going to try the suggestion from here //www.opensubscriber.com/message/mythtv-users@mythtv.org/1484685.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.opensubscriber.com/message/mythtv- . . . 1484685.html

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pipedream:

can anyone lend some insight into a transcoding error?

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crayzee:

I've had mythtv working well for AGES [read: 2 years or so]

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tank-man:

nice

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crayzee:

I upgraded to 0.19 a couple of months back too, and very much like the new version.

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crayzee:

However, this morning when I tried to play back some TV that was recorded yesterday, my computer froze completely.

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jstew:

crayzee: hardware maybe?

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gbee:

just the one or every time you try to play it back?

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pipedream:

where does mythtv store your transcoded video file at? Is it in the same directory as the orginal file?

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crayzee:

I have absolutely no idea why. I mean completely froze. TCP connections werent working, keyboard/mouse/screen not responding. I had to use alt+sysrq+etc to reboot.

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jstew:

Heh, I was wondering if and how mythtv uses XRANDR, or if that's an X thing completely transparent to myth?

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jstew:

sounds like hw or a driver then crayzee

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gbee:

kernel panic most likely – though whether it had anything to do with myth directly seems unlikely

[17:54:37]

jstew:

or a colonel panic, yes.

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crayzee:

jstew, possibly. What culprits? Its not memory [at least I ran Memtest for 48 hours a month back and no issues] gbee: I have tried a few times since, and it crashes every time. Yet the preview window works fine. Its only when it wants to go to fullscreen playback.

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jstew:

ndiswrapper has frozen my system at random times

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nero:

crayzee, I had similar problems, and it turned out to be a bum video card..

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gbee:

might be vid drivers

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nero:

but it could be any of a number of things.

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jstew:

got rid of ndiswrapper.... no more freezes.

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crayzee:

I have tried making mythfrontend in a window instead, which worked but still took the computer down on playback

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pipedream:

Anyone: I get this error message when attempting to transcode a video... QSettings: error creating /.qt

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pipedream:

Anyone understand this error?

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crayzee:

video drivers you reckon...

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newmythuser:

anyone know why i can get myth to show tv, but sometimes it quits changing channels through remote of keyboard

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** crayzee goes prods stuff **

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Ribs:

pipedream, I get that error all the time

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Ribs:

pipedream, I think it can safely be ignored.

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gbee:

crayzee: if it's reproducable with the same recording, it might be worth trimming it down and sending it to someone else so they can see if it does the same for them

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pipedream:

Ribs: It errors out my transcoding job and it tells me that it failed.

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crayzee:

Ahhh... I no longer have direct rendering. An interesting problem. You could be right.

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Ribs:

pipedream, I get that error every time I start the myth backend

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crayzee:

gbee: as far as I can tell it is any recording.

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Ribs:

it still works great here...

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Ribs:

I think it's unlikley that's the cause of your problem

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gbee:

ahh, ok in which case vid drivers are a likely culprit

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crayzee:

gbee: I have only done it 4 times today though. I have 800GB HDD space [450 for myth ;)] and it is a pain in the arse to keep scanning it on boot!

[17:58:32]

pipedream:

Ribs: Where does the resulting transcoded file get stored?

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crayzee:

How do I tell what X driver I am currently using? Can I trust the xorg.conf setting?

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gbee:

certainly unlikely to be anything in myth itself – 0.19 is actually quite old now and I'm not aware of any similar complaints

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Ribs:

pipedream, I don't transcode, so I don't know

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Ribs:

pipedream, The error you quoted was about the qt system being unable to save some pointless settings... It shouldn't affect the operation of mythtv

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crayzee:

gbee: I also installed oracle database last night... Surely that is not linked to it?

[18:02:10]

gbee:

pipedream: _after_ transcoding though mbe the resulting file is in the recordings directory, it replaces the original – if transcoding outside of myth, using mythtranscode seperately it goes whereever you specify with --outfile

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gbee:

during transcoding ... umm don't know off the top of my head

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crayzee:

(EE) RADEON(0): [agp] AGP failed to initialize. Disabling the DRI. <== possible culprit?

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enyc:

crayzee: that would cause slow display performance ;-)

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crayzee:

enyc, yes indeed... But could it cause the crash of my computer?

[18:03:46]

crayzee:

Possibly something to do with Xv?

[18:05:06]

enyc:

crayzee: I dont know

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enyc:

crayzee: im not fomiliar with that problem ;-)

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crayzee:

OK back later, trying it out

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jstew:

Hopfully now that amd owns ATI there will be some decent linux drivers

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jstew:

is a celly D 2.8 enough to do 1080i with bob?

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jstew:

xvmc of course.

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Ribs:

with xvmc... I'd say so :>

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Ribs:

probably even without

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jstew:

good.

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jstew:

At least I know I can do it when I get my hdtv

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jstew:

I have an sdtv right now and have to scale and deint. Doesn't quite do it.

[18:23:59]

Ribs:

jstew, My duron 650 runs video at 1280x720 without xvmc

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jstew:

1080i + bob= 99–100 cpu w/o xvmc

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Ribs:

it's a bit shitty at that res without some kind of interlacing

[18:24:22]

jstew:

Well ribs I think it's the scaling and deint thats killing me

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Ribs:

aye

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Ribs:

xvmc + bob... perfect

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Ribs:

the system is still shit slow tho

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Ribs:

so I'm getting a Althon XP 2000+ :)

[18:25:14]

jstew:

I have issues with bob+xvmc. Audio stuttering and video playing too fast and/or out of sync audio

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Ribs:

graphics card?

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jstew:

nvidia fx5200

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jstew:

I've tried turning vsync off in myth and in nvidia-settings and it wont help

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fryfrog:

~seen defaultro

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fryfrog:

!seen defaultro

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MythLogBot:

defaultro was last seen 7 hours 48 minutes 32 seconds ago

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Ribs:

interesting

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Ribs:

My FX5200 works perfectly

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jstew:

Odd. that driver version?

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Ribs:

lemmie check

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elfranger:

greetings and salutations

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elfranger:

after an apt-get install ftpd, what do I need to do to make it run?

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Ribs:

jstew, 8762

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Ribs:

elfranger, erm, you know this is #mythtv-users, right?

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Ribs:

not #mydistro? :>

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elfranger:

erm, sorry. wrong channel

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elfranger:

hehe

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Ribs:

:)

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jstew:

I have 8756

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jstew:

I'll try the latest

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Ribs:

I believe there were sync issues at some point

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e4:

I'm getting a card 0 (type) is set to start on channel 1, which does not exist error with mythtvsetup, is that a glitch?

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Ribs:

the latest version, and the version I have installed don't have that problem (I checked :) )

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Ribs:

e4, unlikley

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Ribs:

e4, does channel one exist in your channel list?

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e4:

nope, but it's set to start on channel 63 or something of the sort

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Ribs:

change it then

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Ribs:

to start on an existing channel

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Russ:

is there any reason that the encoding time for mpeg4 would have increased significantly in 0.19 from 0.18?

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e4:

well, 63 exists, heh

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Russ:

I used to be able to record two shows simultaneously on my sempron 2200

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Russ:

but now I can't even record 1

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Ribs:

e4, you could just ignore it

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Ribs:

e4, I guess it should work after you change channel whilst watching live tv :)

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Russ:

this says a PIII-700 should be able to record one mpeg4 stream http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-3.html#ss3.1

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e4:

hm.. second question, do you guys open up mysql to a local network?

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e4:

ever have your system reboot when you try to start mythfrontend up?

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Ribs:

nope

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jstew:

e4 mysql -h localhost maybe?

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Ribs:

if the frontend is causing your machine to reboot, you have serious problems

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jstew:

Err, just use localhost in the GRANT statement.

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jstew:

e4, it's all at dev.mysql.org

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e4:

yeah, I'm sorry, heh

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e4:

I actually got it set up :)

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e4:

and I was a bit premature, it's the backend crashing

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jstew:

whats the last thing in the backend log before the crash?

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e4:

doesn't look like a log was made, very strange

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e4:

sec

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jstew:

Well if you launch the backend in a console then you should see the output

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e4:

well, corrupted mysql tables are one problem :)

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jstew:

yeah, you should do a straight reinstall from a good backup if you have one

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jstew:

i wish I could use postgresql with myth

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jstew:

I've never had a corrupt postgresql db that wasn't due to a bad drive. Even then I got smart and used RAID after that

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** GreyFoxx has never had a corrupt mysql db that wasn't due to power failure mid write **

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jstew:

Well admittedly I;ve never really put mysql5 to the test. I gave up at 3.23

[19:10:27]

** GreyFoxx deals with 3.23, 4.0x, and 5.0x daily on hundreds of machines **

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jstew:

sounds like a job for a real pro to me :)

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jstew:

I only adinister 1 4-way opeteron postgresql machine on a 12-spindle RAID10

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jstew:

It runs like a champ

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GreyFoxx:

Any properly maintained machine , run by someone with sufficient knowlegde of whatthey are running will run well other than crappy hardware

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feld:

jstew: everyone wishes you could use postgresql

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jstew:

thanks feld.

[19:13:39]

feld:

mysql is terrible for anything but website backends.

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** GreyFoxx doesn't care what db is used **

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jstew:

well you should be able to use sqlite if you want (gasp). It should be DB-agnostic as much as possible.

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feld:

exactly

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jstew:

But thats a HUGE job to change.

[19:14:53]

feld:

*cough* summer of code *cough*

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GreyFoxx:

the main problem is no network access (which someone can write a proxy around) and it's slower on soem fo the existing big queries

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jstew:

lol'

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jstew:

yeah.

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** feld waits for Google to start the Fall, Spring, and Winter 'of Code' programs. **

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GreyFoxx:

and of course change the syntax throughout myth and the plugs to match the sqllite syntax

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feld:

GreyFoxx: no no

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GreyFoxx:

and test it heh

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jstew:

sqlite is really just a generic example that I threw out there.

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feld:

the internal MythTV syntax should stay the same

[19:16:16]

feld:

it should then be converted to mysql/postgresql/sqlite syntax depending on what DB you're running

[19:16:26]

jstew:

Could the datatypes stay the same, though feld? probably not.

[19:16:43]

feld:

jstew: they should choose the best datatype available for each DB

[19:16:46]

GreyFoxx:

feld, thatg STILL requires a change of syntax AWAY from whatis there now

[19:16:54]

jstew:

unless myth uses some kind of ORM layer.

[19:16:57]

GreyFoxx:

datatypes are different as well

[19:17:05]

feld:

GreyFoxx: change isnt always bad

[19:17:07]

feld:

:)

[19:17:12]

GreyFoxx:

feld: I didn't say it bus

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GreyFoxx:

was

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jstew:

and ORM brings in problems of it's own...

[19:17:19]

feld:

bus? lol

[19:17:20]

feld:

:)

[19:17:33]

feld:

well lets put it this way

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GreyFoxx:

change for changes sake is a waste of time

[19:17:51]

feld:

i know someone whose box was choking because he had a "previously recorded" table that was 10,000 long

[19:17:55]

GreyFoxx:

therehas to be large tangible benefits if you are gonna put in that kinda time

[19:18:13]

feld:

he had to wipe out his previously recorded to get myth to function right again

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** Anduin has 14313 oldrecorded records **

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feld:

i actually need to look @ mine. i wonder what i'm up to right now...

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jstew:

lol feld

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jstew:

you couch potato

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feld:

jstew: my gf records like 10 friggin shows a day

[19:20:03]

feld:

i get in like 1. lol

[19:20:23]

feld:

i should start pissing her off by scheduling infomercials

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Anduin:

Sounds like a good plan.

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jstew:

Hmm... I've not even upgraded to xorg7 yet.

[19:21:09]

jstew:

I'm still using 6.9

[19:21:24]

jstew:

This box was running so well I havent timkered in a LONG time.

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feld:

i'm on xorg7

[19:22:32]

feld:

i roll with gentoo stable for the most part

[19:22:44]

feld:

i havent decided how / when i'll upgrade to gcc4 and glibc 2.4 yet though

[19:23:02]

jstew:

upgradign glibc is always scary

[19:23:07]

feld:

damn right it is =/

[19:23:19]

jstew:

I remember upgrading to glibc2 way back when on my slackware box.

[19:23:47]

feld:

that must have been way back when

[19:23:55]

jstew:

A long time ago

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jstew:

lol

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pipedream:

gbee: Thanks for letting me know where the transcodings are stored

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feld:

:) i've only been exposed / addicted for... hrm like 3–3.5 years now

[19:24:34]

jstew:

It was like 98 IIRC

[19:24:36]

feld:

well it was probably 6 years ago that i gave it a shot, but i was on dial up.. and that's a pretty grim experience.

[19:25:03]

jstew:

My first wm was fvwm. With xeyes.

[19:25:07]

feld:

now i use it every day.

[19:25:25]

jstew:

When I first booted in and tried it I was like WTF??

[19:25:27]

feld:

in fact i should be putting in a Squid / DansGuardian filtration system in for a school district soon.

[19:25:45]

jstew:

I repartitioned my drive and read for hours for friggen eyes on my screen?

[19:25:45]

e4:

aha, perhaps you have forgotten to bind video sources to your card's inputs

[19:26:05]

jstew:

Squid is nice. (sometimes)

[19:26:19]

feld:

i put a squid server in last month for a library

[19:26:37]

feld:

blocked all application/octet-stream mimetypes and all the zip ones

[19:26:42]

feld:

no downloading, bi0tches!

[19:26:58]

feld:

except from microsoft update, antivirus updates, etc

[19:27:11]

feld:

then i cleaned off all the junk and they're rockin now.

[19:27:16]

jstew:

Transparent proxy?

[19:27:42]

feld:

i tried for 3 hours one night trying to get infected on an unprotected machine using that transparent proxy. i couldnt. just got lots of access denied pages, though.

[19:27:45]

jstew:

I made my firewall at work redirect all http traffic through squid

[19:28:12]

** feld notices a tiny IE window in the background **

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** feld maximizes it — "Access Denied" **

[19:28:30]

feld:

was downloading "Entertainment.exe" automatically.

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jstew:

haha

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jstew:

spyware is not a problem anymore either

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feld:

nope

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feld:

when i first came to the site 3 XP PCs were running IPV6 over IPV4 tunnels. they were bot netted

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jstew:

well our biggest problem is pr0n so dansguardian might be in order for us

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jstew:

people literally surf pr0n all day

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feld:

dansguardian will be replacing a system that costs 6,000 yearly. It's this stupid like 3GB url blacklist database that gets downloaded nightly or some shit. it's retarded. =/

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jstew:

wow

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jstew:

that's stupid

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feld:

no kidding

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jstew:

you'd think they would just patch it

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feld:

nope

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jstew:

it's probably an mdb file though lol

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feld:

no patches. downloads on cron on a Netware server

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feld:

it's like "why can't you just RSYNC?!"

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jstew:

yeah

[19:31:27]

feld:

or incremental patches

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feld:

rsync might be difficult with that big of a data set

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jstew:

rsync was made for that kind of stuff.

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jstew:

well if it's a single file then, worthless.

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feld:

yeah it's a single file

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feld:

so i dont think rsync is appropriate

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feld:

probably would stress both machines too much

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jstew:

think about that, dansguaridan will get that monkey off your back

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feld:

indeed. no more dodging flying feces.

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jstew:

lol

[19:33:07]

feld:

plus, the filter will actually work

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jstew:

yeah./

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feld:

the other one was so poor they had to lock down just about everything and whitelist the things they needed access to

[19:33:41]

feld:

it was pointless and counter productive.

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jstew:

I can usually find ways to fool squid fliters, but the avg user never will

[19:34:21]

feld:

there's always a way around everything, but that's life :)

[19:34:29]

jstew:

yup.

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e4:

any recommendations? Could not get inputs for the capturecard. Perhaps you have forgotten to bind video sources to your card's inputs?

[19:35:09]

feld:

i'm looking at probably a 3gz machine with 1gb dual channel ram running the cache on a striped raid. it should rock. maybe more ram, i have to price this deal out first.

[19:35:23]

jstew:

well what are your video sources and card settings? do they jive?

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** feld does the hand jive in the background **

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jstew:

that will support some heavy traffic

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feld:

jstew: i want it to last long term and that would make them extra happy.

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jstew:

I only have 50 users to support. I have a p4 2.4Ghz with a raid1 and 1GB ram

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feld:

dual gigE nics too.

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jstew:

running on freebsd

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feld:

what's your experience with Squid + OSs? I hear a lot of info leaning toward the BSDs, but I havent located any information detailing why they would perform better than a stripped down Linux install?

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** hjohnson grumbles at the lame copyprotection stuff in satellite and digital cable crap... **

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feld:

I've run OpenBSD but that's not viable — ulimit shows max open files is like 128. You need way more than that for squid, and I refuse to recompile their kernel. They have things set for a reason, so OpenBSD isn't really a squid platform...

[19:39:00]

hjohnson:

I've had good luck running squid on a debian box..

[19:39:10]

hjohnson:

just make ure it's got a fast disk and lots of available memory

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feld:

hjohnson: SlicerDicer- has digital cable. uses Firewire to daisychain the digital cable boxes and gets HD content totally unencrypted.

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feld:

hjohnson: the "top 10 things a squid admin should know" listed that importance was in this order:

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hjohnson:

feld: it depends on what cable boxes your cable co provies, and how much they lock it down

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hjohnson:

here, all the HD content is aparently encrypted, so you're SOL with the firewire port

[19:40:19]

feld:

disk seek time, memory, disk speed, processor

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hjohnson:

feld: though it depends on how much of the cache is cached in RAM by the VFS

[19:41:02]

feld:

disk speed meaning like throughput speed... not like you're going to be pulling off the cache at 100MB/s or anything... haha

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hjohnson:

heh

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feld:

if i remember correctly 8 gb of cache uses like a 48mb index file in the ram

[19:41:51]

feld:

plus all the other stuff it will be caching in the ram

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hjohnson:

feld: right, but the operating system will also use any unallocated RAM to cache the filesystem

[19:42:29]

feld:

yes, yes, of course. Linux is good at that.

[19:42:56]

feld:

wonder if there's some proc settings or something where i could tell it not to cache like that

[19:43:05]

feld:

maybe give the cache FS a higher priority or something

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hjohnson:

or copy the cache files into a ramdisk. :P

[19:43:26]

feld:

hrm but would i really want to do even THAT...

[19:43:46]

feld:

hjohnson: that would be cool. i was going to run some gameservers that booted off a DVD and went into a ramdisk. INSTANT MAP LOADS!

[19:43:58]

hjohnson:

feld: lol

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hjohnson:

well, you're just front-loading the load times

[19:44:13]

feld:

yeah exactly

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feld:

plus if they hacked the gameserver all i'd have to do is reboot it lol

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hjohnson:

i'm thinking about building a myth front-end...

[19:44:36]

e4:

jstew, well, I followed the documentation pretty carefully, and I know that my tuners work for sure

[19:44:50]

e4:

what should I be looking for?

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hjohnson:

my new back-end machine will probably be pretty decent

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hjohnson:

I wonder what Shaw would say if they sent an installer and discovered that you were installing their digital cable box in a basement closet, nowher enear a TV. :P

[19:45:57]

feld:

hjohnson: hopefully nothing? lol

[19:46:25]

feld:

"i'm paying for the service, not for you to judge me on what i'm doing with it."

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hjohnson:

it was like the DSL installer we had come into our house, back when Telus had to send a human to do it..

[19:47:00]

hjohnson:

he goes "that's the first time I've seen a residential install like this"

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hjohnson:

we had a 25-pair cat-5 cable coming down from upstairs, and another dozen or so cat-5 comin ginto a patch panel in a closet, along with a full on workgroup switch and other bits. :P

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e4:

actually no! When I do a cat /dev/video0 to a file it crashes after a little bit.

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feld:

hjohnson: nice

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feld:

speaking of which, i'll be doing a similar setup soon

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feld:

my uncle is building a house and he has cat5e installed in like every room

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feld:

multiples in some rooms

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feld:

im thinking there will be near 20 coming down to the closet where we'll have the rack & the coax box

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feld:

the guy who comes to do the DSL install is going to shit himself.

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feld:

hrm time for some games.

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antiPSX:

I got zsnes going today

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antiPSX:

on Mythgames

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antiPSX:

zsnes is nice because you can exit the app with a joystick button

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antiPSX:

under <Misc> menu

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antiPSX:

what is Ubuntu's runlevel two? I am building a standalone appliance, and I dont think I want Run Level 2

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antiPSX:

how do I have it start X without authentication

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hjohnson:

I wonder how long until someone breaks the crypto on digital cable streams

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hjohnson:

feld: that's what we have.. 4-up plates in the living room, three bedrooms, 2 dining room, 2 kitchen, 2 hall closet, 4 workshop 2 darkroom, 2 other end of living room,

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antiPSX:

ask the author of CSS

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antiPSX:

what controls the size of the text in the Viewing Guide(aka something like EPG)

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jams:

antiPSX- look at the font size in ui.xml

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feld:

antiPSX: look at /etc/inittab

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feld:

every distro can use a diff runlevel layout if they wish... best to check there.

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hjohnson:

oh well, enough complaining and bitching. :P

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hjohnson:

I ought to write a bittorrent module for myth so it cn go and fetch the tv shows I want automagically

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feld:

hjohnson: or you can find how to get a TV guide and schedule recordings from a TV tuner

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feld:

but that's probably not likely. :P

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hjohnson:

feld: yeah, but with downloading, I can get shows that aren't being broadcast here (yet) and are in better quality than what I can get off of TV.

[20:18:48]

feld:

oooh

[20:18:51]

feld:

you're one of those guys

[20:18:59]

feld:

that really sucks man

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hjohnson:

feld: BSG is usually 6 months behind in Canada compared to sci-fi network, and series 2 of Dr Who won't premier here until october, but it's almost done in the UK

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AngryElf:

guys when I click 'view' from with in mythDVD->Rip sometimes it works and sometimes it doens't....it doesn't log logs to the mtd log, so where might it log em to?

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stuarta:

hjohnson: dr who s2 2nd rerun is nearly done.

[20:20:09]

stuarta:

s3 is due to start soon

[20:20:14]

hjohnson:

stuarta: yeah, and it hasn't premiered on the CBC yet

[20:20:23]

hjohnson:

stuarta: how is David Tenant as the new Dr anyhow?

[20:20:26]

hjohnson:

I really liked Eccleson

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hjohnson:

I need to send some DVDs of Trailer Park Boys to the soldiers in Iraq though.. told them about it, they sounded interested when I was there.

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Aid`:

so what's happening guys

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stuarta:

not much

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Led-Hed:

I have SPDIF working for Live TV, MythVideo (Xine), and MythDVD (Xine), but I cant seem to get mythmusic to work with SPDIF. I've set the audio device in mythmusic to ALSA:default, but still no audio. Any suggestions?

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simcop2387:

thats strange

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degreseven:

how do i find out what my sound device is?

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mchou:

hjohnson: where are you located? and who is your cableco?

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dansmith_:

what does zap2it key off of? can I change the channel number and/or the callsign to differentiate dvb channels from analog ones?

[21:10:56]

mchou:

dansmith_: huh?? zap2it provides only data. It doesnt key off anything

[21:11:35]

dansmith_:

it has to key a set of listings to the channel table through something like the channel number or callsign

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mchou:

dansmith_: that's myth doing the "keying"

[21:12:09]

mchou:

not zap2it

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pushpop:

Is there a how to on how to configure intel graphics i810 ... when I play HD it freezes 5 seconds in to it

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dansmith_:

yes, I know

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dansmith_:

if I change the callsign in the database, will anything bad happen?

[21:13:18]

mchou:

dansmith_: you want separate dvb listings create a dvb only line-up at zap2it

[21:13:37]

dansmith_:

mchou: I have

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dansmith_:

mchou: how am I going to tell the difference between analog channel 2 and dvb channel 2 in the guide?

[21:13:58]

mchou:

dansmith_: nothing badwould happen, but it would probably get overwritten on the next mythfilldb

[21:14:05]

dansmith_:

well, that's what I meant :)

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mchou:

dansmith_: where you located? is this FTA or what?

[21:15:01]

dansmith_:

FTA?

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mchou:

Free to Air

[21:15:29]

mchou:

dansmith_: just answer where you located

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dansmith_:

no, all cable, but the digital channels I'm getting from zap2it have the same channel numbers as the cable channels

[21:15:50]

dansmith_:

the US, is that what you want to know?

[21:15:54]

dansmith_:

Portland, OR

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mchou:

damn silly oregonians

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mchou:

you aint getting "DVB"

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Zider:

origami?

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dansmith_:

sigh

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mchou:

you getting ATSC or QAM

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dansmith_:

yes, I know.. what would you like me to call it? ATSC?

[21:16:54]

dansmith_:

QAM

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dansmith_:

fine

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coldsteal:

hello

[21:17:10]

coldsteal:

i have a question before i gointo my mythtv project

[21:17:16]

coldsteal:

i want to set up a my box with 1tb raid 0 (2x500gig) and a hupage 250 and a VIA EPIA EN 15000G Motherboard i was wondering if i could have my box record and have cifs so i can watch all my shows from other computers in my house and also can i install it on a cfa

[21:17:18]

mchou:

dansmith_: yes. use correct terminology so ppl dont get confused

[21:17:49]

dansmith_:

mchou: well, all the tools have dvb in the name, so I figured if I can figure it out others can as well

[21:18:10]

mchou:

dansmith_: and the fscking call signs are different betw ATSC and analog. ATSC/QAM generally has KTVUDT

[21:18:38]

dansmith_:

mchou: well, that would answer the question, I guess, although my Zap2it digital channel lineup does not list them differently

[21:18:53]

mchou:

dansmith_: dont be ridiculous. They have dvb in the name casue they use the linux dvb driver model

[21:19:07]

mchou:

cause*

[21:19:51]

dansmith_:

heh

[21:21:29]

coldsteal:

can some one help me please

[21:21:40]

fysa:

yes, coldsteal

[21:21:51]

sphery:

dansmith_: didn't read all of the backlog, but changing the callsign is how you tell Myth which channels broadcast different content.

[21:21:55]

fysa:

there is a script in contrib/ called mythrename.pl

[21:21:55]

mchou:

coldsteal: what's a cfa?

[21:22:11]

coldsteal:

cfis

[21:22:13]

sphery:

callsigns are used by the scheduler to choose which channels are used in the "this channel" recording rules

[21:22:20]

coldsteal:

its like samba

[21:22:28]

fysa:

that makes symlinks to the recorded shows with real show names

[21:22:31]

mchou:

coldsteal: I dont see any issues with doing that

[21:22:37]

sphery:

So, if you set your digital and analog channels to use the same callsign, sometimes Myth may record a show on digital and other times on analog.

[21:22:41]

dansmith_:

sphery: right, so what do I do if my digital and analog lineups use the same callsign?

[21:22:49]

fysa:

I have a separate file server and use cifs to remotely mount it for the recordings/ dir

[21:22:50]

mchou:

coldsteal: except I wouldnt recommend epia cause it's a PITA

[21:23:01]

sphery:

If you want the ability to distinguish--i.e. if you want to say, record in high-def--you must have different callsigns.

[21:23:08]

fysa:

you want to set the ttl mount option for cifs to a low value, search around google for more on that

[21:23:21]

dansmith_:

sphery: ok, so can I just change it in the channel editor or the db?

[21:23:23]

sphery:

Edit the callsigns through the channel editor (either in mythtv-setup or MythWeb)

[21:23:27]

AngryElf:

anyone else had a problem with mythDVD ripping choosing the wrong audio track?

[21:23:32]

coldsteal:

pita?

[21:23:42]

dansmith_:

sphery: will mythfilldatabase still know how to update the programs if I leave the channel numbers?

[21:23:44]

mchou:

coldsteal: pain in the ass

[21:23:45]

nero:

Pain In The Ass

[21:23:53]

sphery:

Editing the DB directly will work (if done right), but leaves a lot more ways of doing things wrong. :)

[21:24:08]

sphery:

mythfilldatabase will only update callsigns if you pass the --do-channel-updates argument.

[21:24:15]

sphery:

Same with channel numbers.

[21:24:38]

coldsteal:

so is it possible to install everything on a cf

[21:24:39]

dansmith_:

sphery: ok, but, my question is, if I tweak the callsign, will a normal mythfilldatabase be able to associate new program information with the correct channel?

[21:24:52]

sphery:

So, if you specify the same channel number and callsign for an analog and a digital channel, the channel will appear only once in the EPG.

[21:24:55]

coldsteal:

how big would it have to be

[21:25:01]

fysa:

you don't need to install the system itself, coldsteal

[21:25:08]

fysa:

you just want to store the recordings

[21:25:11]

sphery:

If the channels with different callsigns have different channel numbers, it will appear twice in the EPG.

[21:25:14]

fysa:

(on the remote share)

[21:25:29]

sphery:

mfdb uses the xmltvid to associate program info with channels.

[21:25:46]

coldsteal:

no i dont want to just stor them

[21:25:47]

dansmith_:

sphery: ah, the key I was looking for... sweet, thanks! :)

[21:26:02]

sphery:

So, callsign is your name to tell Myth channels have identical content. channel number is your number to tell Myth to change to a particular channel.

[21:26:12]

sphery:

You can edit both to your heart's content.

[21:26:17]

fysa:

you want your myth box to have no HDD at all?

[21:26:26]

fysa:

you should look into netboot then

[21:26:37]

sphery:

But in doing so, you're telling Myth different things--so make sure you edit them the way you want them to work.

[21:26:41]

coldsteal:

i want it like a full mythtv box just with 1 tb like an nas

[21:26:43]

dansmith_:

sphery: and changing the channel number for a digital channel shouldn't matter because of the way they're tuned right?

[21:27:06]

sphery:

Same for an analog channel--doesn't matter. The freqid is used to tune in a channel.

[21:27:19]

dansmith_:

sphery: ah, ok, awesome

[21:27:48]

sphery:

So, the freqid can be the frequency in kHz (for analog or digital) or the analog channel number for the frequency on which the channel is broadcast given the specified frequency table

[21:28:08]

sphery:

(i.e. if it's transmitted on channel 2, you can put a 2 in for freqid--assuming you specify the proper frequency table)

[21:28:15]

dansmith_:

right

[21:28:33]

coldsteal:

okay so im tring to see if i could get mythtv configured with samba shares so my other comuters can watch the videos

[21:28:37]

dansmith_:

sphery: so, I'll change the callsigns of my digital ones, as well as put them on chanid+500 to separate them

[21:28:43]

mchou:

AngryElf: tat happens all the time

[21:28:47]

mchou:

that*

[21:29:01]

sphery:

Sorry for all the extra--besides what you asked--but wanted to ensure you have the information you need to edit them so they work the way you want.

[21:29:25]

coldsteal:

but i want the mythtv box to be able to watch tv and record it

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sphery:

That will mean you can specify whether to record from digital or analog channels and that you can switch directly to a digital or analog channel in LiveTV by typing in its channel number.

[21:29:51]

dansmith_:

sphery: no, I definitely want the extra. quite helpful, thanks!

[21:30:03]

sphery:

But it also means the channels will appear twice in your EPG and MythWeb listings.

[21:30:04]

dansmith_:

sphery: right, that's the desired behavior

[21:30:08]

dansmith_:

yup

[21:30:20]

sphery:

Which, is good if you want to see things like which programs are HD content, etc.

[21:30:27]

dansmith_:

right

[21:30:32]

sphery:

HTH, and enjoy

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mchou:

AngryElf: I much prefer dvdbackup for that kind of stuff

[21:31:37]

coldsteal:

so its like a frontend and backend

[21:32:29]

coldsteal:

all in one

[21:32:29]

mchou:

coldsteal: yup, not wrong with putting be/fe on the same machine

[21:32:44]

mchou:

if you have enough horsepower :)

[21:32:45]

coldsteal:

so its possible

[21:33:03]

coldsteal:

is 1 ghz enough?

[21:33:07]

Anduin:

AngryElf: The wrong track?

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mchou:

coldsteal: If I had the choice I wouldnt go with epia

[21:34:00]

mchou:

coldsteal: cause there is too much customization that needs to be done for that platform

[21:34:00]

hjohnson:

mchou: i'm in Vancouver, BC and my cable co is Shaw

[21:34:11]

coldsteal:

what would decent "all in one" stats be

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mchou:

hjohnson: well, that explains why all you shows are encrypted and you dont get firewire :)

[21:34:36]

coldsteal:

mchou: i think ill use a ragular atx

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AngryElf:

Anduin, this particular dvd has en and fr both 6 ch

[21:35:09]

AngryElf:

regardless of which i pick the result is in french

[21:35:09]

mchou:

coldsteal: you mean the "platform" or just the case?

[21:35:19]

coldsteal:

platform

[21:35:32]

Anduin:

AngryElf: which import type (perfect?)?

[21:35:35]

mchou:

coldsteal: go amd64 for best value :)

[21:35:43]

AngryElf:

i tried perfect and excellent

[21:35:43]

hjohnson:

mchou: yeah, it's absolutely draconian here.

[21:35:47]

coldsteal:

:) hell ya

[21:35:49]

hjohnson:

mchou: hence the rampant downloading.

[21:35:58]

AngryElf:

...didn't let them finish — you can watch the of before it's done

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[21:36:02]

hjohnson:

of course, my ISP doesn't give a woot if I saturate my connection 24/7

[21:36:03]

mchou:

coldsteal: intel is has a bit of a premium

[21:36:04]

AngryElf:

well, i left the perfect ones finish

[21:36:06]

Anduin:

AngryElf: With perfect it is a player problem not an import one.

[21:36:07]

AngryElf:

*let

[21:36:40]

coldsteal:

so an amd 64 and what video card/encoder card

[21:36:45]

hjohnson:

it's an outright violation of the canadian copyright act too to deny it...

[21:36:46]

AngryElf:

so perfect has all the audio tracks included in the file?

[21:37:06]

hjohnson:

however, with the conservative lord harper of wall-street in power, they're going to pass some really, really draconian legislation

[21:37:09]

mchou:

coldsteal: this might sound strange, but you want a nvidia AGP :)

[21:37:14]

Anduin:

AngryElf: It is the entire vob for that title (less nav packets)

[21:37:14]

hjohnson:

</rant>

[21:37:27]

coldsteal:

y nvidea?

[21:37:54]

mchou:

coldsteal: cause it has xvmc and decent linux driver support

[21:37:54]

Anduin:

AngryElf: If you use mplayer you should be able to hit #

[21:37:57]

coldsteal:

mchou: i msged u

[21:38:09]

** hjohnson is in the process of picking up an Ahtlon 64 X2 3800+ and asus motherboard to be his main server and probably myth back-end **

[21:38:16]

coldsteal:

sorry

[21:38:19]

coldsteal:

lol

[21:38:25]

mchou:

coldsteal: no problem

[21:38:32]

hjohnson:

hmm.. how well does the hardware mpeg2 on the mini-itx boards work?

[21:38:39]

coldsteal:

okay so any good models

[21:38:52]

mchou:

hjohnson: not bad. but it's still a PITA

[21:38:55]

coldsteal:

i forgot all my hardware knowldege

[21:39:00]

AngryElf:

yea — but i dont want to press # from my couch....and i'd rather not have an inflated file with a bunch of audio i'll never listen to

[21:39:01]

hjohnson:

mchou: humm.

[21:39:20]

hjohnson:

part of me ponders

[21:39:32]

mchou:

hjohnson: why you need that much CPU?

[21:39:41]

mchou:

hjohnson: you dont get HD :)

[21:39:50]

hjohnson:

mchou: because it was only $40 more than a single core

[21:39:55]

mchou:

hjohnson: no need for that much CPU

[21:40:07]

hjohnson:

mchou: it's my basement server

[21:40:10]

coldsteal:

what chip?

[21:40:10]

hjohnson:

not the front-end

[21:40:21]

hjohnson:

coldsteal: AMD64 X2 3800+ or whatever

[21:40:31]

simcop2387:

thats plenty for mythtv

[21:40:40]

hjohnson:

mchou: most of the CPU time is being spent on the RAID 5 array anyhow

[21:40:43]

coldsteal:

nice

[21:41:05]

dansmith_:

ok, I've now got HD going, using XvMC, and it looks great, but when I get anything on the OSD up, it gets really choppy

[21:41:09]

coldsteal:

$152.00

[21:41:18]

mchou:

dansmith_: that's normal

[21:41:20]

hjohnson:

I got it a bit cheaper than that, because I bought an open-box

[21:41:34]

hjohnson:

I don't care if someone's opened the package before, as long as the CPU is good.

[21:41:47]

dansmith_:

mchou: really? even with just a static OSD display up? will a faster proc help with that?

[21:41:53]

mchou:

hjohnson: how much of a discount?

[21:41:59]

hjohnson:

mchou: like $25

[21:42:06]

mchou:

dansmith_: no. that's an xvmc quirk

[21:42:10]

mchou:

hjohnson: bah

[21:42:27]

mchou:

hjohnson: shoulda asked for a steeper discount :)

[21:42:30]

dansmith_:

mchou: ah, ok, I see some of that even on SDTV

[21:42:32]

hjohnson:

basically the open-box discount on the motherboard and CPU made up for the extra core.

[21:42:32]

dansmith_:

how annoying :P

[21:43:00]

coldsteal:

hjohnson: WHAT DID U PAY damcaps

[21:43:22]

hjohnson:

coldsteal: hair under $300, for the A8N-E motherboard, the CPU, with taxes, in Canadian dollars

[21:43:44]

mchou:

A8nE? that's a pretty old mobo, no?

[21:43:56]

mchou:

and that's 939, no?

[21:44:00]

hjohnson:

yeah, 939

[21:44:09]

hjohnson:

mchou: yeah, it's an old board, but it was the best solution..

[21:44:45]

hjohnson:

allows me to use the 1GB of DDR400 I have lying about, has enough slots of the right types, and because it's older, more likely to be supported. :P

[21:44:49]

mchou:

hjohnson: I have one. it's ok but I like my ecs more :)

[21:45:01]

mchou:

ecs has agp :)

[21:45:04]

coldsteal:

:( i dont want to get a amd 64 just for mythtv my main box is a 1800

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hjohnson:

mchou: meh, I'm probably just going to stuff in a 2MB S3 trio

[21:45:21]

mchou:

hjohnson: pci?

[21:45:22]

hjohnson:

PCI

[21:45:32]

hjohnson:

all I care is that I can get text-mode on it.

[21:45:43]

hjohnson:

if I could stick in my old ISA 256kb vga card, I would. :)

[21:45:56]

mchou:

hjohnson: so you arent going to run fe on it then.......

[21:46:01]

hjohnson:

it's a farking server, it lives in a closet in the basement of my house.

[21:46:08]

hjohnson:

mchou: heck no.

[21:46:08]

mchou:

hjohnson: you STILL have those?

[21:46:13]

hjohnson:

mchou: yeah

[21:46:18]

mchou:

hjohnson: lol

[21:46:27]

mchou:

hjohnson: you must be a pack rat

[21:46:33]

hjohnson:

one just came in handy, actually.. the frame buffer bit it in my firewall machine, which is an old Dell p133 pizzabox..

[21:46:46]

coldsteal:

okay so what is the best tvcard o handel an "all in one"

[21:46:48]

hjohnson:

mchou: naw, it' sjust that i've never cleared out my shelving over th eyears.

[21:46:49]

mchou:

hjohnson: craigslist.org is GREAT for recycling

[21:47:11]

** hjohnson looks over at oldenterprise. **

[21:47:15]

mchou:

hjohnson: get rid of my older HW there all the time, ppl are appreciative

[21:47:20]

hjohnson:

(my main server is named "enterprise" after HMS Enterprise)

[21:47:39]

hjohnson:

mchou: I actually had a use for a 360KB floppy drive a few months back, that was amusing.

[21:47:49]

hjohnson:

I actually had one in a box and managed to bring it back to life.

[21:48:38]

hjohnson:

one of the things i'm looking at doing is replacing my TV (which has knobs) with a mythtv type box, with the front-end and a nice LCD

[21:48:41]

mchou:

coldsteal: any nvidia with svideo, dvi, and component out

[21:49:07]

mchou:

coldsteal: although component out is only necessary if you really need it

[21:49:09]

coldsteal:

AMD Athlon 64 3000+ 1.8 ghz

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mchou:

coldsteal: just a bit more juice on the CPU might be good for HD

[21:50:11]

mchou:

maybe 3200+ for a bit more headroom

[21:50:14]

coldsteal:

AMD Athlon 64 3200+ Venice 2.0GHz

[21:50:27]

coldsteal:

$75

[21:50:47]

hjohnson:

hmm.. i wonder how much of the heavy lifting could be done on my basement loud machine, and just stream HD content over the network.

[21:50:53]

mchou:

coldsteal: go for one of those frys combos :)

[21:51:01]

hjohnson:

a HD stream is only a few hundred megabit

[21:51:17]

stuarta:

hah more like 20Mb/s

[21:51:30]

coldsteal:

mchou: ?

[21:51:36]

hjohnson:

stuarta: depending on what compression algorithm you use.

[21:51:41]

mchou:

coldsteal: where you from?

[21:51:59]

coldsteal:

wisconsin

[21:52:08]

hjohnson:

of course, the whole goal here is to fit the final stream into less than 36Mhz of space.. or even less, because space-segment is pricey as all getout.

[21:52:08]

coldsteal:

(usa)

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mchou:

coldsteal: ahh, no frys near you

[21:52:22]

coldsteal:

ya its in califonia

[21:52:29]

coldsteal:

i go to newegg

[21:52:50]

mchou:

coldsteal: too bad. unless you happen to passing thru chicago area :)

[21:53:10]

mchou:

coldsteal: there's frys in chicago :)

[21:53:31]

coldsteal:

where do u live?

[21:53:36]

mchou:

coldsteal: CA

[21:54:01]

coldsteal:

i like newegg

[21:54:01]

mchou:

coldsteal: I dont go newegg cause it's more expensive than frys

[21:54:05]

coldsteal:

its cheap

[21:54:17]

coldsteal:

i head frys is real cheap

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mchou:

coldsteal: yup. frys is great

[21:54:36]

coldsteal:

mchou: do u have paypal

[21:54:44]

mchou:

coldsteal: nope

[21:54:59]

mchou:

too much fees. damn thieves

[21:55:14]

mchou:

I stopped using ebay too

[21:55:31]

mchou:

all craigslist now

[21:55:42]

coldsteal:

mchou: do u think u could get parts for me ill pay for shipping also

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mchou:

coldsteal: sure. but you have to deal with returns if something wonky

[21:56:35]

mchou:

coldsteal: frys has great return policy

[21:56:41]

mchou:

no questions asked

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mchou:

I think it's 2 wks for computer stuff......

[21:57:09]

coldsteal:

does frys have shipping

[21:57:19]

mchou:

coldsteal: outpost.com

[21:57:47]

coldsteal:

o

[21:57:48]

mchou:

coldsteal: frys owns that. they have some good deals too but web site sux

[21:57:50]

coldsteal:

thats frys

[21:58:09]

mchou:

outpost doesnt have as many combos as frys.

[21:58:28]

e4:

del.spl.us

[21:58:30]

mchou:

and it's generally at least $20 more expensive, not counting shipping

[21:58:32]

coldsteal:

okay

[21:58:35]

e4:

er deal.spl.us

[21:58:49]

coldsteal:

e4 what is that

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Dweller2k:

hi all!

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coldsteal:

mchou: im tryng to look for a good mobo

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antiPSX:

what runlevel should I use if I want to make a mythtv appliance

[21:59:43]

mchou:

coldsteal: define "good"

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mchou:

antiPSX: 3

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coldsteal:

decent for my project

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antiPSX:

mchou: under what userid should I envoke X? root?

[22:00:35]

mchou:

antiPSX: X??

[22:00:35]

antiPSX:

mchou: in rc.local ?

[22:00:43]

antiPSX:

xorg-xserver

[22:00:44]

mchou:

antiPSX: why you need X?

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Dweller2k:

I'm currently running VDR, with 4 dvb-t tuners, and 2 dvb-s tuners, and Im wondering if mythtv is able to cope yet with different sources offering discrete seperate channel sets ? last time I tried it about a year back, I could add dvb-t & dvb-s, but couldnt have all the channels in my list, I had to 'switch' the input device ( s key? or something.. i dont recall) to access the channels on a different tuner

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mchou:

antiPSX: I thought you meant myth backend only, heh

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antiPSX:

dont tell me mythtv doesnt need X

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antiPSX:

of course it does

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mchou:

antiPSX: if you want fe too then 5 :)

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antiPSX:

sorry....

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antiPSX:

frontend

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antiPSX:

I already have my backend on a Runlevel 3 box

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antiPSX:

I dont know how to make run level 5 not require a user/password

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mchou:

antiPSX: autologin

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coldsteal:

mchou: what mobo company asus abit msi dfi

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mchou:

coldsteal: I know you think this might be sacriledge, but ecs :)

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coldsteal:

why ecs?

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mchou:

coldsteal: I have one here and I like it more than my asus a8ne

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antiPSX:

does anyone have a Mythtv box auto login in here?

[22:04:15]

mchou:

coldsteal: deal on reliable, has AGP slot

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mchou:

dead*

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mchou:

PCI-E sux

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mchou:

well, the video sux

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mchou:

no overlay

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mchou:

coldsteal: but it's a older mobo, 754

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coldsteal:

the original amd 64?

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mchou:

no.

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mchou:

it's one of the lowest TPD ones for a desktop proc from AMD

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coldsteal:

am2 socket

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mchou:

I dont remember offhand, but TDP around 50W I think

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mchou:

coldsteal: oh, 754 is the "original" socket

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mchou:

I thought you meant core

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coldsteal:

AMD Athlon 64 3500+ Orleans 2.2GHz Socket AM2 80$

[22:07:59]

mchou:

I think I have a venice core

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coldsteal:

is that a good core

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mchou:

coldsteal: what's TDP on that?

[22:09:01]

coldsteal:

whats does tdp stand for

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mchou:

coldsteal: lower means less heat and less noise

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mchou:

coldsteal: Thermal Design Power

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mchou:

coldsteal: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermal_Design_Power

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coldsteal:

is it the voltage

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mchou:

no. but it does have correlation to voltage

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coldsteal:

http://shop4.outpost.com/product/4509627

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coldsteal:

mchou: would a socket A work

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mchou:

coldsteal: if you gonna buy from outpost look for a combo

[22:12:04]

mchou:

coldsteal: it works but socket A procs run VERY HOT

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mchou:

I would not recommend socket A for myth

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coldsteal:

cuz the heat

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fysa:

thjat

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mchou:

too much power draw. You'd save more on electric buill with a64 :)

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fysa:

that's socket AM2, not socket A

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Zider:

c2d :)

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coldsteal:

fysa: i know

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mchou:

fysa: dude, I think he know that

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coldsteal:

mchou: how do i find combos

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fysa:

I know. :P

[22:13:41]

coldsteal:

i never used this site

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mchou:

coldsteal: I told you the web site sux :)

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coldsteal:

lol ya

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coldsteal:

so how do i find combos

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mchou:

coldsteal: you go over here: http://newspaperads.mercurynews.com/ROP/ads.aspx?advid=32664

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mchou:

coldsteal: look at the ads....

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mchou:

find a combo you like.....

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mchou:

then enter the little number in the search box at outpost

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mchou:

associated with that combo.....

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mchou:

usually in left lower corner of each ad

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mchou:

and hope outpost carries it too :)

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e4:

hah, ribs, thanks for the advice in #fedora, lol

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mchou:

coldsteal: here is one example only: http://newspaperads.mercurynews.com/ROP/ads.a . . . 04&type=

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e4:

I clicked in the wrong tab and thought I was in this channel

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Ribs:

:)

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Ribs:

is it fixed?

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mchou:

the # is 4912291

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Juski:

mmmm tab

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mchou:

so you enter that number at outpost

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mchou:

see if it shows up :)

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e4:

kind of

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e4:

I have an hauppauge 500mce and an AIW card, the AIW I'm still using as a GPU, but I plugged in the cable without thinking about it :)

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mchou:

coldsteal: unfortunately outpost doesnt have that one

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e4:

as in the cable cable, heh

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coldsteal:

mchou: this is going to take forever

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mchou:

coldsteal: lol

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mchou:

coldsteal: which is why I prefer the actual store than outpost :)

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coldsteal:

im on dailup so it 100x worse

[22:23:14]

mchou:

coldsteal: ouch!!

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coldsteal:

lol

[22:23:30]

mchou:

coldsteal: you are on dialup and you use linux???

[22:23:40]

mchou:

coldsteal: forget about it

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mchou:

I wouldnt recommend linux to my worst enemy if they only have dial up

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mchou:

with linux broadband is essential :)

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coldsteal:

ik so im on windows atm usually im in slackware

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mchou:

and definitely forget about EPIA if you only have dial up

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mchou:

considering you have to d/l kernel source :)

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coldsteal:

fuck

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coldsteal:

no way

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coldsteal:

2 much

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coldsteal:

time do dl anyting

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mchou:

coldsteal: you have to get kernel source somehow :)

[22:27:23]

mchou:

maybe at the office? :)

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coldsteal:

cyber cafe

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mchou:

lol

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coldsteal:

lol

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coldsteal:

i downloaded 300 megs the other day

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coldsteal:

30min

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mchou:

even that would take a long time on wireless

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coldsteal:

nope

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coldsteal:

i have 108mb/s

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coldsteal:

and they do to

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dansmith_:

mchou: bringing up the OSD, and thus the jerkiness, send the CPU to 100%, so is it possible I could fix it or at least make it better with a faster CPU? Or is the quirk so bad that no CPU can keep up with it?

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mchou:

dansmith_: heh, dont ask me. I've never seen a cpu powerful enough to overcome that :)

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** stuarta thinks Juski's a gluton for punishment **

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mchou:

dansmith_: doesnt mean it aint possible

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coldsteal:

mchou: what about an 1800 socket A

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Juski:

stuarta: might aswell be doing something :)

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Juski:

useful I mean

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mchou:

coldsteal: it would work for SD. But again, I wouldnt recommend it due to the power draw and the heat

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stuarta:

i'm catching up on my movies. recorded this one almost a year ago...

[22:30:48]

Juski:

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mchou:

Juski: case badges?

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GreyFoxx:

Got pics of them ?

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Juski:

I had 10 made for the LRL show earlier in the year

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** Juski uploads **

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coldsteal:

SD?

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mchou:

standard def

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Forsaken-:

hello, do i have too have a tv-card to use mythtv ?

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mchou:

Forsaken-: nope

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GreyFoxx:

Forsaken-: If you want to record TV, otherwise no

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Forsaken-:

ok, so i can use the frontend only ?

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mchou:

GreyFoxx: he doesnt even need a tvcard even if he wants to record TV

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GreyFoxx:

Sure

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Forsaken-:

nice

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mchou:

GreyFoxx: a firewire card/chip would suffice :)

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GreyFoxx:

mchou: most people do not record via firewire, so I don't assume they want that

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Forsaken-:

what about playing .iso or rars ?

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mchou:

sigh

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GreyFoxx:

Well with mythvideo and such you can play ISO dvds

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GreyFoxx:

But myth will not unrar a file for you to pla

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GreyFoxx:

y

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Juski:

damn.. comes to something when I need to search for a solitary jpeg

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Forsaken-:

ok too bad, im planning on replacing xbmc it does support "unraring" stuff in ram

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GreyFoxx:

Forsaken-: If all you want is a video menu/playback without recording, xbmc is a good choice

[22:38:07]

Forsaken-:

yeah but the hardware is limiting

[22:38:11]

GreyFoxx:

IF you are using an xbox that is

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Forsaken-:

cant playback x264 or 720p

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Juski:

ahhh http://www.mythtvtalk.com/ProjectGrayhem/images/badges.png (I think)

[22:38:51]

coldsteal:

mchou: should i ge a hupage

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Forsaken-:

btw, how well is 1280x720 supported in linux ?

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GreyFoxx:

Juski: Cool heh

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stuarta:

oooo nice

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mchou:

coldsteal: only if you dont plan on using firewire

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GreyFoxx:

Forsaken-: That really depends on your video card and the drivers for it

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Juski:

none left now so I'm gonna order some more. I can't afford to _give_ em away this time though

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Forsaken-:

nvidia

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GreyFoxx:

Forsaken-: As long as the card supports it, that should be fine

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GreyFoxx:

What are you outputting to ?

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coldsteal:

no firewire

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stuarta:

go well with the linux badge on my machine already...

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Forsaken-:

a projector

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GreyFoxx:

ok

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Forsaken-:

panasonic ae900

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mchou:

coldsteal: I highly recommend firewire, but you need a powerful box to play back

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Juski:

stuarta: gonna price up 50 or so

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coldsteal:

what would the firewire be for

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Forsaken-:

i get the best image quality if i send native resolution to it so

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GreyFoxx:

coldsteal: For people who record viathe firewire output of some digital cable receivers

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mchou:

Juski: you going to a professional printing press to get that done, or just doing it on your color printer?

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coldsteal:

im connecting a coax to it or av cables

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Juski:

mchou: professional printers. found somewhere that does short runs for not much cash. used them before & they looked good. Any grainyness you see in that pic is because of my shitty coolpix 750

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mchou:

coldsteal: dont connect hauppauge directly to coax. hauppauge tuner stage sux

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mchou:

coldsteal: svid in on hauppauge is good though

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Krazylegz:

mchou: Are you by chance running a digital cable box to your Mythbox?

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mchou:

Krazylegz: yup

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Forsaken-:

while im at it :) .. any recommondations on a well supported dvb-c card with cam ?

[22:43:51]

Krazylegz:

mchou: Don't leave town for the next week or so. :-P

[22:43:59]

mchou:

Krazylegz: motorola dct6200

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Krazylegz:

I don't know which box I have, it's from Comcast.

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coldsteal:

im connecting it to a sattlite box

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Krazylegz:

svideo + IR blaster might be a good idea though.

[22:44:44]

Krazylegz:

Currently the video on my PVR-350 kind of sucks and doesn't really show signs of improving.

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coldsteal:

mchou: im connecting it to a sattlite box

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mchou:

Krazylegz: man, you can get that shit up in one day. no need for a week

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Forsaken-:

no one ?

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mchou:

Krazylegz: simple as pie if you have a beefy CPU on hand already

[22:46:00]

Krazylegz:

mchou: Yeah, but I have to setup the rest of the box first.

[22:46:09]

Krazylegz:

Moving from KnoppMyth to Gentoo.

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antiPSX:

I accidentally did something so the text in "Media Library" -> "Watch Recording" is freaking huge. I went to Setings->Appearance and set all the fonts to size 4. This still doesnt help my text in Recording?

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mchou:

Krazylegz: what the hell for?

[22:46:44]

Krazylegz:

mchou: I borked my KnoppMyth install with an apt-get upgrade and I've wanted to move to Gentoo anyway.

[22:46:45]

mchou:

Krazylegz: at least move to a sane distro as opposed to gentoo

[22:46:52]

Krazylegz:

I like Portage and I'm used to Gentoo.

[22:47:01]

Krazylegz:

Yes, well I considered that. :-)

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Forsaken-:

gentoo is good :)

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** Krazylegz high-fives Forsaken- **

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mchou:

Krazylegz: ok, see you NEXT MONTH

[22:47:46]

mchou:

Krazylegz: :)

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mchou:

Krazylegz: no tv for you in the next month

[22:48:13]

Krazylegz:

Haha.

[22:48:21]

Krazylegz:

Well, I'll have coax working.

[22:48:27]

** Krazylegz makes a checklist of what is left to do **

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mchou:

Krazylegz: I'm gonna be the mythtv nazi (instead of the soup)

[22:48:52]

Krazylegz:

Haha.

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Forsaken-:

well thanks for the help

[22:49:06]

Krazylegz:

"No MythTV for you! You come back, ONE YEAR!!"

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mchou:

Krazylegz: bingo!

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mchou:

Krazylegz: except dont bother coming back in my case :)

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mchou:

Krazylegz: I find it strange that you decided to start this after the new TV season started

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mchou:

the best time to do this crap is in the "off season"

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Krazylegz:

Eh, it died when it chose to die.

[22:53:30]

Krazylegz:

Gotta go. I'll find YOU later. ;-)

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coldsteal:

mchou: can i have mythtv setup with satalite?

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hjohnson:

lol

[22:57:57]

hjohnson:

well, my RAID seems to be at least stable

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Fnc:

booga booga

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** hjohnson found a FAQ from a guy that says that he doesn't recommend RAID for myth back-ends, which seems silly **

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hjohnson:

of course, the parity calcs are CPU intensive..

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coldsteal:

hjohnson: what raid card

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hjohnson:

coldsteal: none.

[22:59:07]

hjohnson:

unless you go for a 3ware hardware RAID card, they're all fakeraid anyhow

[22:59:15]

hjohnson:

so I might as well just do it in software. :)

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Fnc:

i gots a adaptec raid card

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Fnc:

its pretty

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hjohnson:

Fnc: yeah, I'm a cheap SOB.. but given that it only has to spit the data ou tat 100mbps, it doesn't need to be that fast. :P

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Fnc:

i got mine for like 300 so it was a good deal

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Fnc:

16 port sata

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hjohnson:

dayam

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hjohnson:

PCI-E?

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stuarta:

oooo

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hjohnson:

wow.. fred Astaire and Audray Hepburn, in colour

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Fnc:

just waiting for those 750gb drives do come down a bit more... 328 isnt cheap enough....

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hjohnson:

interesting.. adaptec doesn't seem to do the pcie

[23:02:41]

Fnc:

i want my dvds all online.. so i can serve em up to all rooms

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hjohnson:

i built my sw raid out of 5 seagate baracuda 320GB drives

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hjohnson:

1.2tb of wretched excess

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coldsteal:

what was the price

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hjohnson:

I can't remember now.. cheap

[23:04:49]

k-man_:

hello

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hjohnson:

like $120CAD for each drive

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k-man_:

anyone here using the oztivo data?

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stuarta:

320Gb is the best price per Mb atm

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Fnc:

http://www.adaptec.com/en-US/products/raid/sata/AAR-21610SA/

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Fnc:

thats the one i got

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hjohnson:

ahh, PCI-X?

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Fnc:

its 64 bit pci card

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hjohnson:

ahh

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mchou:

raid is silly for a myth backend

[23:06:41]

hjohnson:

mchou: the primary reason why I went for it is data redundancy

[23:06:45]

mchou:

think of all the write penalty you incurr

[23:07:06]

hjohnson:

right, but I extend the MTBF

[23:07:17]

Fnc:

sure is mchou

[23:07:19]

hjohnson:

where as if i'm LVMing or RAID0ing, I'm dividing the MTBF

[23:07:29]

hjohnson:

mchou: that's why the server has a dual core CPU. :P

[23:07:36]

Fnc:

mine is used strictly for storage...

[23:07:48]

mchou:

hjohnson: so what if you lose all recordings? it's called reruns

[23:08:03]

Fnc:

im thinking if i got through nearly 4 tb of movies, i dont want to loose them, and have to redo it

[23:08:03]

hjohnson:

mchou: it's used for other things as well

[23:08:06]

mchou:

hjohnson: hardly critical data

[23:08:26]

hjohnson:

mchou: the rest of the data is pretty critical. :p

[23:08:31]

hjohnson:

and rebuilding my archive is a pain

[23:08:33]

mchou:

hjohnson: I was only talking about the "recordings" volume

[23:08:33]

dev:

<mchou> raid is silly for a myth backend

[23:08:35]

dev:

LOL

[23:08:50]

dev:

let me guess, you have a single tv

[23:09:05]

hjohnson:

my tv has knobs on it. :)

[23:09:12]

mchou:

dev: dont be a fool. I was referring to raid 5

[23:09:41]

dev:

mchou: oh boy, grow up you littel name calling kid

[23:09:43]

dev:

rofl

[23:10:32]

mchou:

dev: and for what it's worth a single disk is more than fast enough for 3 simultanous HDTV streams

[23:10:37]

hjohnson:

mchou: I envision the thing to be primarily read...

[23:10:54]

dev:

add on commflagging

[23:10:58]

hjohnson:

mchou: sure.. and I'm not doing it for speed. :)

[23:11:02]

dev:

and your single disk will go down the toilet

[23:11:28]

mchou:

dev: like I said, so what if you lose all recordings?

[23:11:29]

dev:

or how about 2 hdtv streams writing, 2 commflags running, and 3 streams playing

[23:11:38]

hjohnson:

it's all about the redundancy.. it's cheap insurance compared to losing a terabyte of data... sure it's not irreplaceable stuff (well some of the stuff in my archive is)

[23:12:31]

hjohnson:

mchou: a terabyte of storage is years of effort.. especially if you're recording stuff that later goes off the air completely.

[23:12:40]

mchou:

dev: you the dud who said eveyone needs 500 hrs worth of storage for recordings

[23:12:49]

dev:

mchou: uh, no

[23:12:49]

mchou:

dude*

[23:13:07]

dev:

mchou: people need however much space they need for however much tv they watch

[23:13:27]

dev:

if you're telling everyone they need 500hrs worth of storage, you're an idiot

[23:13:37]

dev:

lol

[23:13:43]

mchou:

dev: until I pointed out to you that if you work 40hrs/wk, that 2000 hrs/yr :)

[23:14:08]

mchou:

dev: so you're watching way too much TV

[23:14:30]

dev:

how do you have any idea how much tv i watch?

[23:14:44]

dev:

omgz are you hax0r?!@

[23:15:05]

mchou:

dev: simple. cause you said everyone needs a minimum of 500 hrs worth of storage

[23:15:20]

dev:

i said no such thing, ever, stop puting words in my mouth

[23:15:42]

Dibblah:

Personally, I'd prefer 500 hours.

[23:16:08]

coldsteal:

is Mythtv a program or an os

[23:16:11]

Dibblah:

Since the likelyhood of having *something* interesting to watch is much, much higher.

[23:16:16]

mchou:

dev: well, somebody said that in this channel. It may have/have not been you

[23:16:36]

hjohnson:

coldsteal: it's like EMACS.. somewhat ambiguous

[23:16:37]

hjohnson:

;)

[23:16:44]

mchou:

dev: in any case 500 hrs is ludicrous.

[23:17:03]

Dibblah:

It is not.

[23:17:04]

dev:

it sure would be convenient

[23:17:04]

hjohnson:

mchou: not if you're archiving movies and entire tv series and the like

[23:17:18]

mchou:

dev: and raid for myth recording volume is just plain silly

[23:17:23]

coldsteal:

is there any myth os

[23:17:30]

hjohnson:

mchou: say, take the entire Stargate Series.. that's probably 150 hours right there.

[23:17:31]

Dibblah:

500 hours is only 250, if you include backups.

[23:17:39]

Dibblah:

;)

[23:17:40]

dev:

mchou: again, perhaps you need some more experience

[23:17:43]

coldsteal:

pre configured

[23:17:53]

dev:

mchou: a single disk would never be able to handle my setup

[23:17:58]

Juski:

coldsteal: no. not preconfigured. too many variables

[23:18:09]

Juski:

there's knoppmyth & mythdora though.

[23:18:11]

dev:

if you have 1 tv and 1 myth box, sure, run a single disk

[23:18:14]

hjohnson:

mchou: and considering they don't rerun ancient Stargate Episodes around here,

[23:18:15]

mchou:

dev: considering I work in Intel's server division I know I've got more experience than you do

[23:18:22]

Juski:

and I hear tell someone is making an ubuntu mythtv distro :)

[23:18:28]

dev:

bwahahaha you have no clue

[23:18:37]

dev:

you have no idea who i am or what i do :)

[23:18:43]

Dibblah:

People... Grow up ;)

[23:18:50]

Juski:

have a beer

[23:18:52]

** hjohnson hands out rules.. **

[23:18:55]

** Juski beers everybody **

[23:18:55]

Dibblah:

Chill out.

[23:18:55]

hjohnson:

lets just settle this like men

[23:18:56]

dev:

lol

[23:19:07]

hjohnson:

er rulers

[23:19:08]

hjohnson:

damnit

[23:19:15]

mchou:

dev: that's why you're so ashamed to be spefic about it, eh?

[23:19:16]

Dibblah:

hjohnston: Let the women decide, you mean?

[23:19:18]

dev:

id love to see a drive that can handle 2 hdtv streams recording simultaneously with commflagging, and 3 hdtv streams being played back

[23:19:23]

dev:

again, simultaenously

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coldsteal:

whats knoppix myth or whatever it is

[23:19:37]

Juski:

hjohnson: are you trying to say this is some kind of dick measuring contest? handing out rulers like that...

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dev:

mchou: nope, i dont feel the need to explain what i do to a bunch of people i dont know just so i can feel important :)

[23:19:51]

hjohnson:

Juski: pretty much

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hjohnson:

with the way dev and mchou were going. :P

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mchou:

dev: ha!

[23:20:09]

mchou:

dev: keep on dodging

[23:20:32]

dev:

mchou: so you going to explain why a single disk works for every myth setup known to man?

[23:20:40]

dev:

because id love to hear your expert opinion on this

[23:20:54]

mchou:

dev: I never said anything to that effect.

[23:21:07]

mchou:

dev: hjohnson was talking about raid 5

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dev:

19:06 <mchou> raid is silly for a myth backend

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mchou:

dev: and I told him that was silly for myth backend

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Dibblah:

Just in case anyone's thinking about it, to change the topic entirely, never, ever say yes to laying natural slate tiling. Especially if the woman in question buys the cheapest, non-indexed tiles :((

[23:21:46]

mchou:

dev: scroll up to b4 that quote

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Kelerion:

evening all

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hjohnson:

mchou: sure there isn't a monetary value on the data, but there's the cost of time.

[23:22:22]

mchou:

Dibblah: indexed tiles??

[23:22:35]

Dibblah:

Level on one side.

[23:22:36]

hjohnson:

Dibblah: I knwo of what you speak

[23:22:47]

coldsteal:

what linux distro do i install myth tvon

[23:22:57]

hjohnson:

Dibblah: I've done about 250 square feet of slate, including the backsplash behind the kitchen counters. :)

[23:23:06]

hjohnson:

coldsteal: whichever you like best.

[23:23:21]

Fnc:

cold... anything you want

[23:23:24]

Fnc:

anything.. yes anything

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hjohnson:

and for that we cut down the 12"x12" tiles into 4x4"

[23:23:26]

Dibblah:

Which, after a spell with some wood, an angle grinder and a diamond disc, are now indexed :)

[23:23:41]

dev:

mchou: since you're the authority on how mythbackends are supposed to be setup, explain to us lesser-beings how the oh-wise-one's network is setup?

[23:23:42]

Dibblah:

Ouch.

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Dibblah:

dev. Don't be stupidly sarcastic.

[23:24:01]

hjohnson:

Dibblah: and laid them all at 45 degrees..

[23:24:14]

hjohnson:

dev: yes, it was home-reno wanking, but boy it looks good.

[23:24:17]

dev:

Dibblah: :)

[23:24:20]

Dibblah:

Anyway. It's bedtime. Night everyone.

[23:24:30]

hjohnson:

even the floors are laid at an angle (conveneintly hides the fact that the walls aren't straight)

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hjohnson:

g'night

[23:24:44]

mchou:

dev: considering you havent share your so called expert opinion with us, who do you think I'm obligated to share my experience with you?

[23:25:06]

mchou:

dev: in other words, buzz off some where else, flea

[23:25:08]

dev:

my expert opinion on myth setups? infact i did, scroll up

[23:25:19]

dev:

your expert opinion so far has been "raid is stupid on a mythbackend"

[23:25:34]

dev:

er, silly

[23:25:49]

mchou:

dev: you got a bone to pick with me, do it to yourself where the sun dont shine

[23:25:55]

Juski:

evening Kelerion

[23:25:57]

hjohnson:

jesus guys.

[23:26:00]

dev:

LOL

[23:26:19]

hjohnson:

grow up.

[23:26:52]

mchou:

dev: you butt in when you have no idea of the context. and this isnt the first time either

[23:26:58]

Kelerion:

well... sounds like a fun evening here tonight

[23:27:15]

dev:

mchou: oh god get off it already. just explain to us why raid on a mythbackend is silly

[23:27:15]

GreyFoxx:

end it now, or take it to privmsg

[23:27:37]

Kelerion:

good advice

[23:27:47]

** stuarta prepares the trout **

[23:28:11]

mchou:

screw the trout. I say prepare the gag

[23:28:25]

stuarta:

one each

[23:28:29]

mchou:

sure

[23:28:43]

mchou:

this dev dude insists on being a pest

[23:28:49]

dev:

i love how i always get told to end it when its this kid who starts it up all the time

[23:29:20]

mchou:

I started it? I was addressing hjohnson when you butted in, my friend

[23:29:22]

dev:

i wouldnt say anything if he didnt give such bad advice to users in a support channel

[23:29:29]

hjohnson:

heck, I still haven't seen much of a justification as to why it is silly, other than you can pull it back in in reruns, which you can't do if the show is no longer on the air.

[23:29:30]

GreyFoxx:

I'm telling both of you. Get over it. It's irrelevant who started it.

[23:29:33]

Kelerion:

so be the grown up.. and step above it.... one of you

[23:29:38]

hjohnson:

the whole point of a raid 5 is that it becomes *archival*

[23:29:43]

mchou:

hjohnson: simple. write penalty

[23:29:56]

dev:

greyfoxx, kelerion: someone has to say something when he's telling p0eople the wrong information

[23:29:59]

hjohnson:

mchou: sure, but even with the write penalty, it's fast enough

[23:30:16]

GreyFoxx:

dev: And you did. And it has no spiral into a pissing match. Time to end it

[23:30:17]

hjohnson:

that's what the second CPU is for anyhow. :)

[23:30:25]

Kelerion:

dev: sort it out between youselves in private

[23:30:28]

hjohnson:

toss enough hardware at it, and the write penalty is negligeable.

[23:30:37]

mchou:

hjohnson: apparently not according to dev with his 6 simultaneous streams

[23:30:44]

dev:

Kelerion: but he's telling people in public that raid is bad on a myth server, thats just flat out wrong and you know it

[23:30:56]

dev:

Kelerion: the only way for those users who are getting told the wrong information to get the right information is to talk about in public

[23:30:58]

dev:

not privmsg

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Kelerion:

doesn't matter what I know.. what I *do* know is that this type of argument isn't any good for *anyone* in publuc

[23:31:34]

Kelerion:

public

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Juski:

doesn't do the community any favours either

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Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : +o GreyFoxx

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Mode for #mythtv-users by GreyFoxx!i=greg@out.of.phaze.org : -o GreyFoxx

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mchou:

GreyFoxx: umm, stay +o pls

[23:32:45]

hjohnson:

i'm still profiling ot see where most of the performance penalty in my read/writes are...

[23:33:06]

mchou:

hjohnson: there's not much penalty on reads

[23:33:13]

hjohnson:

i'm not so sure if it's the parity calcs becaue the reads aren't much different than the writes

[23:33:16]

hjohnson:

mchou: I know

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hjohnson:

which leeds me to believe that the issue is eithe rin the SATA drivers, or in the VFS layer

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hjohnson:

my big question righ tnow is what to do as a front-end

[23:37:54]

Aid1:

mythfrontend is nice

[23:38:25]

hjohnson:

Aid1: I mean hardware wise.

[23:38:41]

hjohnson:

I'm pondering something diskless.. to reduce heat load and noise.

[23:38:53]

Juski:

a computer of some sort might be a good idea.

[23:39:08]

hjohnson:

well, duh. :P

[23:39:29]

Juski:

don't pick anything Socket A if you want it to be cool & quiet

[23:39:36]

hjohnson:

most of the heavy lifting will be done in the basement closet, but if I want to go HD..

[23:39:37]

Kelerion:

nah... get something like a sky+ box :P

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Juski:

I tried an athlon 2000XP in a silverstone lc02 case. oh boy. It was good for a couple of hours at a time

[23:39:58]

degreseven:

if i'm using alsa, what should i put for audio device under capture cards in mythtv-setup?

[23:40:46]

Kelerion:

well...depends on how you have your alsa set up

[23:41:05]

coldstea1:

what would you say is the simpilest distro to intall it on

[23:41:15]

hjohnson:

coldstea1: knopmyth?

[23:41:18]

hjohnson:

or whatever it is.

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dev:

coldstrea1: whichever distro you've used before and know...

[23:41:50]

degreseven:

Kelerion, should i just use ALSA:default, same as i have in the frontend options?

[23:41:56]

dev:

yeah ive heard knoppmyth is easy to setup

[23:42:16]

Kelerion:

probably... you have that in your .asoundrc?

[23:42:25]

degreseven:

yeah

[23:42:28]

Juski:

oh yeah Kelerion that's the other bit about my part of the bargain. I get to burn the cds

[23:42:43]

hjohnson:

hm..

[23:42:54]

Kelerion:

Juski, lucky you :P lol

[23:43:11]

** Juski has access to an 8 bay duplicator **

[23:43:30]

Kelerion:

smart-ass... lol

[23:43:32]

Juski:

til Friday :-|

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Aid1:

i have my backend and frontend on the same cpu.. is that a smart thing?

[23:43:57]

dev:

you'd know if it wasnt

[23:44:00]

dev:

:D

[23:44:06]

Juski:

careful you don't burn any skin.. those cpus can get hot

[23:44:35]

Kelerion:

I have a combo FE/BE.. been running it for a couple of years

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Juski:

ohhh THAT backend.. whoops

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** Kelerion chuckles at Juski **

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Aid1:

oh well.. i dont really have any good way to hook it to the network if i were to get another computer for a backend

[23:45:58]

Kelerion:

most people use networking cables :P

[23:46:07]

Juski:

really depends how fast your CPU is and how much transcoding & commflagging you do

[23:46:30]

Aid1:

Kelerion: i'd need about 80ft of cable

[23:46:35]

Aid1:

thats expensive

[23:46:37]

Juski:

80ft? pfft

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hjohnson:

Aid1: the only reason why i'm separating it is I can use it to build a stupid powerful, big storage machine and not care about the noise, than a quiet front end with a lesser CPU

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** Kelerion chuckles **

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dev:

802.11g?

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Juski:

I have roughly 100 metres of cat5 in my house & I'm not done yet

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Kelerion:

I tried wireless.. just couldn't get a good enough picture over it

[23:47:30]

coldstea1:

what about wifi g

[23:47:36]

niktaris_lap:

hi all, can anyone please tell me why mythweather fails ?

[23:47:46]

niktaris_lap:

it cannot retreive data

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dev:

Kelerion: the picture wasnt good enough?

[23:48:20]

Kelerion:

nah... but I record at 9.6mb/s normally

[23:48:31]

Aid1:

yeah well... 80ft isn't too expensive but the crawl space below our house is a pain to run.. then i have to run the satellite cable too

[23:48:47]

** hjohnson has 1300' of cat-5e in his 1200 square foot house. :P **

[23:48:50]

Juski:

that's what wives are for...

[23:48:58]

dev:

Juski: hahahah

[23:48:59]

hjohnson:

(can you tell I'm single?)

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dev:

Kelerion: ah

[23:49:02]

** Kelerion laughs **

[23:49:10]

Aid1:

Juski: im in highschool... don't have a gf even atm

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Aid1:

hjohnson: nice

[23:49:54]

Juski:

seriously I'm no fan of my 18 inch high crawlspace either.. but I needed to get a bundle of CAT5 down there

[23:50:15]

stuarta:

isn't that what small children are for?

[23:50:17]

Kelerion:

tight it to a brick and lob it where it needs to go.. :)

[23:50:20]

Kelerion:

tigh

[23:50:22]

Aid1:

i still haven't been able to run a HD recording on my computer yet, i have to make the movie picture size smaller first..

[23:50:23]

Kelerion:

tie

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** Kelerion grumbles to himself **

[23:50:32]

Aid1:

I have nvidia and the drivers setup, i dont konw wtf is up

[23:50:33]

Juski:

round corners? oof

[23:50:44]

Aid1:

My CPU just shoots up

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stuarta:

send it to detox

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dev:

you guys are on a roll today

[23:51:10]

Aid1:

har har

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** Kelerion grins **

[23:51:25]

Aid1:

seriously, why is it doing that?

[23:51:35]

stuarta:

it's ~= saturday. what do you expect?

[23:51:35]

dev:

useing xvmc?

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Kelerion:

Saturday night.. we have a choice... go to the pub... or wind you lot up :P

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Aid1:

dev: I seriously have no idea

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dev:

crazy europeans!

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** Kelerion chuckle **

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hjohnson:

hmm.. actually, a Core Duo Mac Mini might be ideal fo rthis. :P

[23:53:02]

Kelerion:

wifes in bed... I've had *way* too much alcohol over the last 3 days... so am taking it easy... watching a film... and sitting in here... good night :)

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hjohnson:

Kelerion: heh

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** stuarta is watching stuff he's had recorded for far too long **

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Kelerion:

stuarta, I hear ya coming to london next month with us?

[23:54:05]

** bagpuss_thecat can't bear to delete films, and is too lazy to transcode them onto disc **

[23:54:22]

hjohnson:

bagpuss_thecat: eh, putting 'em on disc is a pain.

[23:54:25]

stuarta:

Kelerion: given i'm already in london....

[23:54:27]

Kelerion:

bagpuss_thecat, better get more drive space then :)

[23:54:30]

Kelerion:

ah

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Kelerion:

lucky git.. lol

[23:54:43]

hjohnson:

just add more drives

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stuarta:

olympia's about 20mins from my house.

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Kelerion:

you can be out programmer guy then :P

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bagpuss_thecat:

Kelerion: I already have 1.somethingTb

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Kelerion:

our

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** bagpuss_thecat heads to bed **

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Kelerion:

bagpuss_thecat, I ran out of space at 1.5.. so expanded to a dedicated NAS

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** Kelerion remembers bagpuss... was a cool cat btw **

[23:57:26]

Kelerion:

I *shouldn't* remember bagpuss btw.. am only 32... lol

[23:58:23]

Kelerion:

Juski, will too... but he's an old 'un so we can understand it :P

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